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and gentlemen, the hour is upon us and we have a quorum.

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So I'd like to call this meeting to order.

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This is the Central Vermont Career Center

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Special Meeting of the board, Monday,

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August 25th, 2025.

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Do we have any special gifts

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other than routine individuals?

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Any comments for items

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that are not on the agenda from the public?

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Any comments from anyone online for anything

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that is not on the agenda?

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All right, we'll move forward to the consent agenda.

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We have to approve our agenda first

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before we move on to the consent agenda.

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So I need a motion to approve the agenda as printed.

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I move that we approve the agenda. Okay, Jan.

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Alright, any discussion? Hearing none.

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All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

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A Ladies and gentlemen, on on,

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on online, we will accept your, your eyes.

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And now the consent agenda.

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The consent agenda is for the approval

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of the minutes from the August 11th, 2025 board meeting.

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Any questions or concerns?

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Deletions or additions?

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Hearing none. I need a motion to approve this agenda.

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Minutes. The minutes? Yes. I'll get there Minutes.

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Move to approve the minutes from August 11th? Yes.

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I need a second. I'll second. Okay. Thank you gentlemen.

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Any further discussion? Hearing none.

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All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Any nays? Any abstentions? Hearing none. Motion carries.

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Board reports, committee reports, facilities.

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Is there a facilities report?

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We actually have a presentation. Okay.

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So we will move that report

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to our presentation moving forward.

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and action items, which is the facilities project, budget

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and bond projection, and then the marketing updates.

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So let's proceed with facilities,

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project budget and bond projections.

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Who would like to break the ice?

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I will start and I'll ask Cam data to help.

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And would you sir, please identify yourself? Sure.

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My name is David Epstein. I'm with Trucks Collins.

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And we're the architects, one

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of the architects for the project.

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Hi everybody. Good to see you in person.

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Usually we are all floating heads.

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The this is a, an abbreviated version.

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of turning some lights off or dimming lights?

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Next slide, please.

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can everybody online see these slides?

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Jenna, Todd, or Corey can?

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Yes, so it's very short, it's very abbreviated.

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and the building design show a few of the renderings

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So next slide please.

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the Site 16 Baptist Road is the site we're going.

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that the traffic study showed

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that there were two section intersections of concern,

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middle Road in Graniteville

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and Baptist Road in Graniteville.

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they didn't have any issues with the ingress

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we had to modify this front area here

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wetlands up in this area here that are,

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the left on the page.

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the site plan to get all of the parking out of the,

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the wetlands and the buffer.

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of a blow up to make it can see easier.

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Our specialty is the lab planning, looking at the actual

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spaces within the building.

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because I know we've, we've talked

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to you about this at great lengths before.

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it gives us two opportunities to get materials

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of the two levels is the main entry, which is

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that red arrow you see, which comes into admin,

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which provides a series of doors.

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of doors that can be locked to keep the students

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safe within the building and still have access to some

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of the arts and business and hospitality spaces up front.

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and the cosmetology space that can now service the public

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and still keep the students secure.

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but that's really the stair, the meeting area,

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the gathering area, kind of the, the, the Greek

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agora stair that that learning takes place on.

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which are your gymnasium and some locker rooms

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and some bathrooms and some service spaces.

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you see the health and natural resource science spaces

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there, which we have plant

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and animal, we have natural resources, we have

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childcare, I'm sorry, human services.

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Emergency services and medical professions.

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a cluster that, that has a center

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or has a space that will let natural aid in

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that becomes their home, within their home.

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between these programs.

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we move up and we have design construction,

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manufacturing down one side,

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which has our electrical trades, our building trades, our

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welding or HVC

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and our advanced manufacturing, manufacturing spaces home.

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Thanks. And, and those spaces again have a heart

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or have a space that's around them

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that becomes their cluster home.

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That collaboration between these

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types of programs would happen.

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they all have doors outside for project yards

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and space to get materials in and out.

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that are working together there at the end, as we move back

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to the heart of the school, the center of the school,

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we have some spaces which are our arts

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which is the business program that happens there.

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which is a important space to be part of that,

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and the support space for students to be able

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to receive support that's right in the center of the school.

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or early students interested in really engage

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in a bunch of programs.

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Hit everything Jody,

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These are some views of the exterior and interior.

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So this is the what as you come up the drive.

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parent drop off.

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that upper large feature window is into one

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of the exploratory laps.

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which we'll see in the next slide.

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before, the base is this kind of rust located stone

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buried granite, you know, we want it

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to be evocative of the region.

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panel system, could be metal or, or some kind of resin.

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you've got the bus and car drop off.

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And as we go to the next slide, you'll see the back

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and you'll see the solar panels.

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The, the roof is being planned for the solar panels.

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We're approaching it.

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They're not in the project budgeted for it,

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but it's approaching as a lease.

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We did a, a winooski, they leased the roof

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for a very large solar array

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and they get the benefits of it without having

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to put any money down the back.

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This as, as Jay was talking about, you can see the

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project yard and the doors directly to grade.

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There's the loading dock and back.

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That's the gymnasium projecting out.

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And then we'll move to the inside.

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So this is the injury I was talking about before.

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You can see we have cosmetology

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and dining that happened here

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and there's a set of secure doors further down at your left

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here is that admin that monitor all this.

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As we move into the heart of the school, that's stair

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that learning stair, it becomes the, the, the space that

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most school can gather together.

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That it can be all school

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meetings, you can be groups together.

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This also becomes the cafeteria.

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Just really a multifunctional space that really

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engages the whole building.

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You see above natural light being poured in here.

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Again, these are, this is a really deep building,

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but when we get natural light,

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these spaces really energized.

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It's just another look at that, that's the top

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of the stairs now and spin

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around looking down at the presentation wall.

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So this, this space will have presentation capabilities

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and with the, the, the media department right

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behind can now provide support for presentations

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and things that have happened in this space.

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And this is one of those homes, those center cluster homes

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where you have cross pollination of these different programs

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to be able to work together on projects or, or things.

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So this is one of those spaces

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with natural light coming down

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and a variety of seeding

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that they can work on different projects.

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So the next part of presentation

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talks about the project costs and impacts.

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And I'll, I'll turn it over to Michelle for that.

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You've all been waiting for.

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Yeah, sure. So I just wanted to make some notes like

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to start off, so

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before I just show you the numbers,

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these are all good faith estimates.

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They're based on the most recent data, which is FY 26.

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We assume a home value of $300,000

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income sensitivity is not modeled here.

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So in Vermont, most of you, if not all of you know

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that some households qualify for property tax adjustments

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and it reduces their tax bill based off income,

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not just their property value.

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So that means that some families, the actual impact

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that we're gonna show may actually be less s

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the tax impacts will vary depending on the future state.

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We don't know what the overall

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education spending's gonna look like.

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The statewide yield, the common level of appraisal

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with pupil counts.

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So our goal tonight is just to give you a reasonable range

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of the likely impacts so that voters can have a clear

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and transparent information.

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So the best available information

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that I can give you at this moment

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cut off.

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So I think it'll take a little bit of time.

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But brief digest this amount of information.

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I tried to actually, I had someone else help me

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'cause my graphs were like four pages long

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and I was like, no, I need all this information.

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And they're like, no, no, we're gonna show you

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just the big numbers.

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Again, this is based off a $300,000 house.

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This is this year FY 26 tax estimates.

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So if we had to pay it back this year,

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this year right now, yep.

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If payments started this year, if they started this year

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tomorrow, they were kind of sort of,

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but then we go into six semester

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hours and that sort of thing.

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So anyway, you could see the highest tax increases are East

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Montpelier Cals in Berlin.

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But the lowest being Cabot more counted in the field.

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It ranges from about $99

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to $420 per household tax bill.

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So this is not per person, this is per taxable.

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$300,000? Yes.

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The average is about $297.

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Yes. Do you have a number for Worcester?

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I don't, I don't, I haven't got their appraisal yet.

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Has it come in yet? Do you know? I don't know. Okay.

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The last I checked last week hadn't come in yet.

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So that's the one I'm waiting on.

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You said 2 97 per household?

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2 97 is the average through all

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of our districts, all of our accounts.

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The minimum being 99

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and the highest being four 20 based off a 300,000 bucks x.

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The next slide just goes into some

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assumptions that I'm making.

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So I can give you again, the most clearest possible answers.

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The total bond is $149 million.

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We said the average payment is $9.4 million over,

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over the course of 30 years.

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Again, that could be different.

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We're using the level debt services,

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meaning we're gonna pay the same amount every year.

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That's the model that I use to estimate these numbers.

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Sometimes you can pay back a lesser amount at the beginning

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and higher in the end,

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or you can do vice versa,

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pay back a higher amount at the

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beginning and less at the end.

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But I chose the most, even peel one that I could.

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So I could really just kind of keep everything level.

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How this gets paid back is through tuition payments.

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That's the only way that CTE that we the district are able

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to pay for any of our expenses right now.

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Right now. So tuition payments again is a

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reminder for you folks or anybody listening?

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It's based on a six semester average.

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So what this means for me is that I can estimate what

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the proportional value

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of each sending school district will have.

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So if a school district sends 50% of the total population

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of students that we have, they'll be responsible

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for paying about 50%

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of the bond total cost back, if that makes sense.

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So we use a six, six semester average.

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The percent of students from each

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district remains fairly constant.

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It goes up about a percentage or two.

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So what I did was I chose this year with my past three years

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to make sure it was within range

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and I estimated of that $9.4 million, what's percentage,

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what's the allocation that each district

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would be responsible for?

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And then I allocated of courts to each district

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and based off $300,000 house this year.

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Again FY 26.

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And that's how I came up with the numbers.

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Is there any question on how I came up with the numbers?

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Do you assume an equal setting population from

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each district of the 18th?

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I mean just 9 million divided

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by 18 is half a million dollars.

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No, that's not, no,

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because each district sends a different amount of students

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and we're only able to bill.

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But how did you calculate

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It based off FTEs?

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So okay, yeah,

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Today.

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Today, this year. Yep.

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And we built tuition based off a six semester average.

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So we have two, last year we had 220 students.

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I, I'm only able to actually go for 194 students.

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It takes the last six semester averages.

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That's what I'm able to bill.

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And did you model in how it's gonna be UNE amongst the

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Towns? I did.

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That's the last slide. Yeah, that's,

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that's, sorry to jump in.

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That's why go back. It's a different amount for each town,

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Right?

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That's why it's not like you're gonna pay a million,

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you're gonna pay a million, you're gonna pay a million,

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half a million, whichever the number is.

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It's each town has an adjusted amount of

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that total $9.4 million that they would be responsible

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for paid back in tuition.

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Like in my case I live in Berlin.

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It really comes down to the number of students

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who originated in Berlin

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and then up gonna the career center.

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Correct? Yes.

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Someone had a question.

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Peter Anthony, Mr. Anthony, you have a question?

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Yeah. I guess just refining the

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preceding statement about allocation across districts,

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I assume there'd be a lag time for those communities

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who have not sent a great number of students

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here to, for for whatever reason

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and they increase their sending of students.

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There would be obviously a lag time in terms of catch up

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of recap, re reallocation of the proportion

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amongst the collective members of the

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career center catchment area.

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Is that not logically correct?

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That's correct. That's why we use a six semester average.

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So if you were to spend 20 additional students

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to me this year, I'm going off a three year,

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six semester average.

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So this year you're not paying

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for an additional 20 students.

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But over the course of three years,

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those 20 students will be worked into our average

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in which we're able to pay.

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I just to observe, I mean part

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of the reason we're doing this,

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and I applaud it, is we're having to turn down two out

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of every three applicants.

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So they're obviously sending towns whose participation will

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dramatically increase once we open.

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And so there's, there's gonna be a shift,

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but it will be, if you will, into the future

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because it's lagged if it's a six semester average.

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Correct. Yep, you're right.

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Will, let's have the added knock on benefit of,

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of tapering the increases because you,

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because you're gonna have, it'll take you six semesters

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to get up to full enrollment

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Billings, presuming that's, that remains for CTE.

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Oh right. With the foundation formula. We really don't know.

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We, so that's part of why we had to go with the numbers

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that we have this year that we know

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and the way that we budget and tuition now

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because that's what we know and we can't predict the future.

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I joked to somebody just yesterday

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or maybe it was this morning, that I don't,

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my crystal ball's not working.

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And so we're doing the best we can

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with what we know right now. Yeah. Patrick,

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Thank you.

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This something we, we discussed a bit at the Washington show

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meeting was what, what's the ratio of, of students

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that apply versus students that, that attend at,

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they were obviously consent were specifically for E 32,

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but do you have those numbers for each school and

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and is that appropriate to work into the estimates or

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or do you feel like it's pretty even?

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That's a really good question.

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I don't, I'm trying to think of how we break it out.

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We break it out by school district

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when once they've been accepted,

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but we haven't broken it out that way in who's applied

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so that we have the data.

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We can go into it that way this year for the first time.

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And actually I asked them to go back to last year, I asked

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how many actual people, single people applied

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because we have students who if they don't get in the first

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round, they'll reapply Right.

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The second round for others.

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And so there was really, I'm gonna have to dig to find that,

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but I think we had 400

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and I'm gonna guess wrong probably,

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but 424 applicants for this year.

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And 404 of them were single.

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I only applied once, sorry, looking on it earlier.

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Yes, I was. You go to the bottom.

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Okay, so total applicants this year, 443,

521
00:26:46,345 --> 00:26:49,165
but individual applicants was 414.

522
00:26:49,865 --> 00:26:53,365
So really we did have over 400 individual students apply.

523
00:26:53,495 --> 00:26:55,965
Right. And we have 216

524
00:26:55,965 --> 00:26:57,445
that will be starting with us on Wednesday.

525
00:26:58,395 --> 00:26:59,395
Yeah,

526
00:27:00,475 --> 00:27:01,835
I guess the question is, is the proportion

527
00:27:01,835 --> 00:27:06,635
of kids from each sending school the same for the, the 218

528
00:27:06,895 --> 00:27:08,115
as for the 414?

529
00:27:08,405 --> 00:27:11,115
Right. So that's, that's a really good question

530
00:27:11,255 --> 00:27:12,595
and I don't have that information in

531
00:27:12,595 --> 00:27:13,715
front of me, but I can ask for it.

532
00:27:13,715 --> 00:27:14,715
Thanks.

533
00:27:16,295 --> 00:27:18,155
One thing I'll, I'll one thing I'll note. Excuse me,

534
00:27:18,175 --> 00:27:19,315
I'm, could you just identify

535
00:27:19,475 --> 00:27:20,555
yourself for the record please?

536
00:27:21,245 --> 00:27:23,915
Thank you for the request. My name's Camp Featherston.

537
00:27:24,175 --> 00:27:26,115
I'm senior associated tr cullins.

538
00:27:27,935 --> 00:27:30,795
So when, when I first looked at the, at the

539
00:27:32,935 --> 00:27:36,275
impact, this comports very, very closely

540
00:27:36,385 --> 00:27:38,275
with the initial projections of the

541
00:27:40,095 --> 00:27:43,995
burden on the 18 towns as a whole.

542
00:27:44,895 --> 00:27:46,955
And what that tells me, especially

543
00:27:46,955 --> 00:27:49,755
as we talk about these things, as populations may change

544
00:27:49,855 --> 00:27:51,595
and this town may send more in the future

545
00:27:51,615 --> 00:27:54,555
and this one may send less, is that that range of costs

546
00:27:54,555 --> 00:27:57,075
that we're seeing is may shift back and forth,

547
00:27:57,655 --> 00:27:59,755
but it's, it's, it's, it's gonna be in

548
00:27:59,755 --> 00:28:01,755
that same ballpark, right?

549
00:28:01,755 --> 00:28:03,995
Because it's, it's the same amount

550
00:28:03,995 --> 00:28:05,355
of money that has to be raised.

551
00:28:06,225 --> 00:28:08,955
It's just, it's being paid for,

552
00:28:09,175 --> 00:28:10,395
it sounds like it's being paid

553
00:28:10,395 --> 00:28:11,875
for proportionally based on the number

554
00:28:11,875 --> 00:28:14,275
of students from each town that are going.

555
00:28:14,295 --> 00:28:18,555
So the proportions may shift as the popul relationships,

556
00:28:19,565 --> 00:28:20,995
which seems fair.

557
00:28:21,735 --> 00:28:25,995
But it, all I'm saying is that this comports very closely

558
00:28:26,185 --> 00:28:29,595
with the overall projections in this range

559
00:28:30,135 --> 00:28:31,275
is what we expected.

560
00:28:37,335 --> 00:28:37,555
No,

561
00:28:37,815 --> 00:28:38,815
You got it.

562
00:28:40,015 --> 00:28:43,275
So Michelle, yeah, the,

563
00:28:44,295 --> 00:28:45,515
the projections that,

564
00:28:46,235 --> 00:28:49,285
that we're looking at the very fancy graph, I love it.

565
00:28:50,105 --> 00:28:50,645
So that

566
00:28:55,005 --> 00:28:59,025
we know is not going to be the case going forward. Right.

567
00:28:59,535 --> 00:29:01,825
This is my best estimate as of right

568
00:29:01,825 --> 00:29:02,825
Now.

569
00:29:02,825 --> 00:29:05,665
Absolutely. And with the, the legislation that passed,

570
00:29:05,805 --> 00:29:09,465
we don't know yet the effect of the foundation formula

571
00:29:10,525 --> 00:29:13,015
and we don't know.

572
00:29:14,115 --> 00:29:18,815
And the truth. So this is additional to

573
00:29:19,325 --> 00:29:22,655
what already is being paid by the school district.

574
00:29:22,875 --> 00:29:27,135
If the school district were to shift change

575
00:29:27,565 --> 00:29:31,135
what they're paying that will also affect tax rates.

576
00:29:31,435 --> 00:29:34,575
So if schools paid exactly what they're paying now

577
00:29:35,015 --> 00:29:39,135
and I had to add $9.4 million on this is what it would be.

578
00:29:39,155 --> 00:29:43,725
Gotcha. Presumably if we are taking double the amount

579
00:29:43,725 --> 00:29:46,525
of students, we're increasing our enrollment from 220

580
00:29:46,585 --> 00:29:48,365
to 500, between four

581
00:29:48,365 --> 00:29:50,765
and 500 students, that would change

582
00:29:51,035 --> 00:29:53,325
what sending schools are are

583
00:29:54,145 --> 00:29:56,405
paying presumably.

584
00:29:57,305 --> 00:30:01,085
So if theirs went down a little, even though they owed more

585
00:30:01,085 --> 00:30:04,925
to the CTE again, that can Yeah. Decrease tax.

586
00:30:05,395 --> 00:30:06,445
Yeah. Oh absolutely.

587
00:30:06,445 --> 00:30:10,565
And I guess I'm, so the, the, the first students

588
00:30:10,565 --> 00:30:14,405
that would ever make it in would be in 2029.

589
00:30:14,915 --> 00:30:16,845
When do, when do the

590
00:30:17,445 --> 00:30:19,965
taxpayers start paying on the bond

591
00:30:21,725 --> 00:30:25,865
The next, it depends when we fully allocate our bond.

592
00:30:26,445 --> 00:30:27,625
So when we take the money out,

593
00:30:27,645 --> 00:30:29,025
but I would presume it could be

594
00:30:29,025 --> 00:30:30,265
that first year that they're in.

595
00:30:31,085 --> 00:30:34,865
So during construction there's no, I,

596
00:30:35,555 --> 00:30:37,155
I need to verify that, but

597
00:30:37,155 --> 00:30:39,915
because of the short timeline of between construction

598
00:30:39,935 --> 00:30:43,595
and starting, I don't presume that would be much before.

599
00:30:43,705 --> 00:30:45,475
Yeah. Okay, cool.

600
00:30:45,475 --> 00:30:48,835
Yeah, I think, yeah, that's definitely a,

601
00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:50,715
I'm trying if you can figure out, I'm trying

602
00:30:50,715 --> 00:30:52,595
to figure out all of those things that we don't know

603
00:30:53,015 --> 00:30:54,715
but we know are likely to change.

604
00:30:54,965 --> 00:30:58,875
Right. And so the other, the other question I have, sorry,

605
00:30:59,615 --> 00:31:03,545
is the potential for,

606
00:31:03,765 --> 00:31:05,545
and Jody maybe this is a question for you.

607
00:31:05,605 --> 00:31:07,825
The potential for the change in

608
00:31:08,545 --> 00:31:10,905
CTE governance in the state.

609
00:31:11,565 --> 00:31:16,425
So if that, if we go to one CTE district,

610
00:31:18,295 --> 00:31:22,665
what are the potential impacts on, or even if you know

611
00:31:22,665 --> 00:31:24,185
It, it depends what they determine about

612
00:31:24,255 --> 00:31:25,545
what would happen with bonds, right?

613
00:31:25,905 --> 00:31:28,665
Because does does it then get spread across the entire state

614
00:31:29,525 --> 00:31:32,585
or do the sending schools that are originally voted

615
00:31:32,645 --> 00:31:35,385
for it in these towns have to continue to carry it?

616
00:31:36,295 --> 00:31:37,825
It's a really good question. I don't know

617
00:31:40,075 --> 00:31:44,665
Right now this is assumes that the cost will be

618
00:31:44,665 --> 00:31:48,025
amongst the 1870 towns and not the entire state. Correct?

619
00:31:48,025 --> 00:31:51,825
Correct. And historically

620
00:31:52,365 --> 00:31:55,345
the state paid a hundred percent for CTE centers.

621
00:31:56,355 --> 00:32:00,265
There was no bonding No.

622
00:32:00,265 --> 00:32:01,945
Through legislative. Yeah.

623
00:32:01,965 --> 00:32:05,545
It was just that they didn't build a lot of 'em

624
00:32:05,545 --> 00:32:06,625
and you know,

625
00:32:06,885 --> 00:32:10,465
but that's to your point of a, of a single district

626
00:32:10,765 --> 00:32:15,385
and the whole state supporting the CTE center,

627
00:32:15,445 --> 00:32:17,585
that's essentially what was happening in the past

628
00:32:17,585 --> 00:32:18,745
through different mechanisms.

629
00:32:19,655 --> 00:32:21,105
Yeah. So again, the, the assumption

630
00:32:21,125 --> 00:32:25,385
of this is we are not getting our bond our any kind

631
00:32:25,385 --> 00:32:27,705
of our census tape through any other means

632
00:32:27,705 --> 00:32:28,905
besides this bond.

633
00:32:28,955 --> 00:32:32,505
Right. Which I do not know as of right now.

634
00:32:33,445 --> 00:32:34,985
As of right now, I'm gonna assume

635
00:32:35,925 --> 00:32:37,505
we are paying for the whole thing.

636
00:32:37,725 --> 00:32:40,180
At some point in the future there might be other means in

637
00:32:40,180 --> 00:32:41,645
which could pay help pay for this.

638
00:32:42,185 --> 00:32:44,005
And I truly hope that there is

639
00:32:44,985 --> 00:32:46,765
and we don't mind searching for those things either.

640
00:32:47,165 --> 00:32:48,685
I will find every pot of money.

641
00:32:55,065 --> 00:32:57,365
Any additional questions or concerns.

642
00:33:01,525 --> 00:33:04,965
I see the, the, are we do, is it for simplicity's sake

643
00:33:05,105 --> 00:33:07,485
or are we, or

644
00:33:07,705 --> 00:33:12,085
or what's, what's the status of the 149 versus 140

645
00:33:13,935 --> 00:33:15,285
price tag gymnasium?

646
00:33:15,285 --> 00:33:16,605
No gymnasium decision.

647
00:33:17,965 --> 00:33:20,445
I think the direction we got from the board when we last

648
00:33:20,445 --> 00:33:23,525
talked about this was just let's move forward

649
00:33:23,555 --> 00:33:27,365
with a full amount and just do the whole thing.

650
00:33:28,085 --> 00:33:31,885
I think there was some discussion at that time of if we,

651
00:33:32,305 --> 00:33:36,965
if the bond vote failed in November, then we might come back

652
00:33:37,895 --> 00:33:41,285
later without the gym portion of it.

653
00:33:41,785 --> 00:33:44,605
But that it made sense to go move forward with the vision

654
00:33:44,665 --> 00:33:48,245
of the board for the full day and to have that there. Okay,

655
00:33:48,895 --> 00:33:49,895
Thank you.

656
00:33:51,715 --> 00:33:54,335
So kind of finalize my portion of the presentation.

657
00:33:54,375 --> 00:33:56,295
I just wanted to emphasize transparency.

658
00:33:56,595 --> 00:33:59,895
For the best available estimates that I have right now,

659
00:34:00,895 --> 00:34:04,455
I am committed to providing with ongoing updates

660
00:34:04,515 --> 00:34:05,735
as new data becomes available,

661
00:34:05,955 --> 00:34:07,175
I'm still waiting on one town.

662
00:34:07,195 --> 00:34:08,975
So when I get that information, I'll share that

663
00:34:09,615 --> 00:34:13,015
I hear anything about construction cost

664
00:34:13,455 --> 00:34:14,655
coverage or anything like that.

665
00:34:14,855 --> 00:34:16,655
I definitely, or if you hear anything,

666
00:34:17,385 --> 00:34:18,855
definitely share it my way

667
00:34:20,395 --> 00:34:22,575
and I'm just really excited.

668
00:34:23,235 --> 00:34:27,945
Really excited. And so the,

669
00:34:28,125 --> 00:34:30,665
the last slide here is just the project schedule.

670
00:34:31,445 --> 00:34:35,705
So tonight the board hopefully will reaffirm

671
00:34:35,735 --> 00:34:37,465
that it wants us to move forward

672
00:34:37,465 --> 00:34:40,545
with $149 million bond vote.

673
00:34:40,965 --> 00:34:43,185
We will warn that vote, assuming

674
00:34:43,185 --> 00:34:46,305
that happens on September 8th at our next board meeting.

675
00:34:47,165 --> 00:34:49,865
And that would take place on November four.

676
00:34:50,565 --> 00:34:53,025
The votes would be comm mingled on the November 6th.

677
00:34:53,085 --> 00:34:55,785
So we would not know on November four what the outcome was.

678
00:34:55,885 --> 00:34:58,585
We would know by end of day on November 6th.

679
00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:03,185
And then if it was a positive outcome, we would move forward

680
00:35:03,185 --> 00:35:05,785
with building design and permits, then construction

681
00:35:05,965 --> 00:35:09,025
and then with the plan of opening in September of 2029.

682
00:35:09,935 --> 00:35:14,005
Jody. Alright, go ahead. I saw Paul Malone and then

683
00:35:15,415 --> 00:35:16,415
Thank you.

684
00:35:18,645 --> 00:35:22,525
I have a little bit of history here with the career center

685
00:35:22,625 --> 00:35:23,885
as well as the high school.

686
00:35:24,685 --> 00:35:27,285
I was a chair of the high school board for a number

687
00:35:27,405 --> 00:35:30,205
of years, which incorporated the CDCC.

688
00:35:30,925 --> 00:35:34,845
I also became the chair of the new BUSD board

689
00:35:34,865 --> 00:35:36,325
for the first two years of that.

690
00:35:36,675 --> 00:35:38,525
That was fun with COVID and everything else.

691
00:35:38,705 --> 00:35:42,445
So I'm, I'm really very rational with numbers

692
00:35:42,625 --> 00:35:44,845
and data pours outta my ears.

693
00:35:44,995 --> 00:35:48,925
It's just what I, I have some concerns and some issues.

694
00:35:49,185 --> 00:35:52,165
The first one, I, I would ask you to indulge me

695
00:35:52,165 --> 00:35:56,245
for about five minutes because when I was looking at the

696
00:35:56,245 --> 00:35:58,005
news article and I was looking at the,

697
00:35:58,025 --> 00:35:59,525
the historical framing of this

698
00:35:59,525 --> 00:36:01,965
and also looking at the sites, I, I served on a couple

699
00:36:01,965 --> 00:36:04,765
of the boards as its chair in the town of Perry as well.

700
00:36:05,185 --> 00:36:07,045
So I have a little bit more of an insight,

701
00:36:07,085 --> 00:36:08,205
a little bit more knowledge.

702
00:36:08,465 --> 00:36:09,925
And since this is being proposed

703
00:36:09,925 --> 00:36:11,965
to be constructed in our backyard,

704
00:36:12,885 --> 00:36:14,445
I thought maybe I would come forward

705
00:36:14,505 --> 00:36:15,725
and share some of my thoughts.

706
00:36:16,495 --> 00:36:18,805
There is an affordability factor that is,

707
00:36:19,065 --> 00:36:20,205
has risen in this state.

708
00:36:20,915 --> 00:36:24,605
Just over a year, year and a half ago, there were dozens

709
00:36:24,605 --> 00:36:26,245
and dozens of communities in this state

710
00:36:26,275 --> 00:36:27,765
that defeated their school budgets.

711
00:36:28,275 --> 00:36:31,125
Affordability became a very, very real thing

712
00:36:31,125 --> 00:36:33,365
and it still is, hasn't gone away.

713
00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:37,205
This led to a shakeup in our legislature, change

714
00:36:37,205 --> 00:36:41,375
of the balances and so forth that there was just part of a,

715
00:36:41,695 --> 00:36:42,815
a radical shift

716
00:36:42,815 --> 00:36:45,495
because people had reached at

717
00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:47,135
that time the end of their agenda.

718
00:36:48,565 --> 00:36:49,975
This hasn't changed much.

719
00:36:50,845 --> 00:36:54,375
This led to the current redistricting proposals out there.

720
00:36:54,905 --> 00:36:56,655
We're not sure how that's gonna end up

721
00:36:56,655 --> 00:36:57,695
and what that's going to do.

722
00:36:58,975 --> 00:37:02,335
This may even have an, an effect on the existing buildings.

723
00:37:02,335 --> 00:37:03,535
We may have buildings,

724
00:37:03,675 --> 00:37:05,495
we may be closing some buildings in the state.

725
00:37:05,755 --> 00:37:09,415
I'm talking about education from a 30,000 foot elevation,

726
00:37:09,415 --> 00:37:10,695
something I'm used to doing

727
00:37:11,035 --> 00:37:15,455
and looking at what does this look like for our area.

728
00:37:15,635 --> 00:37:19,375
And a lot of the really small schools that when you go back

729
00:37:19,375 --> 00:37:22,695
to Act 60 was kind of intended to close a lot

730
00:37:22,695 --> 00:37:24,295
of those smaller schools 'cause they became very,

731
00:37:24,295 --> 00:37:26,135
very expensive at that time.

732
00:37:26,375 --> 00:37:28,095
I remember Roxbury for example,

733
00:37:28,595 --> 00:37:30,615
the average cost per pupil under

734
00:37:30,615 --> 00:37:32,695
that particular formula was somewhere

735
00:37:32,695 --> 00:37:34,855
around $46,000 a year for student.

736
00:37:35,225 --> 00:37:38,255
Which I thought was equivalent to a Harvard education.

737
00:37:38,775 --> 00:37:41,895
I won't go into that, but the declining enrollments in

738
00:37:42,095 --> 00:37:43,535
students across the state of Vermont

739
00:37:43,835 --> 00:37:48,175
and the general cost of education increasing the idea

740
00:37:48,175 --> 00:37:49,495
of tacking on another eight

741
00:37:49,495 --> 00:37:53,335
or 9% on top of everything else for the next 30 years

742
00:37:54,315 --> 00:37:57,055
is difficult to really fathom for a lot of the people

743
00:37:57,595 --> 00:37:59,495
who make my phone ring off code sometimes

744
00:37:59,495 --> 00:38:01,535
because they still think I'm still seeing on a board,

745
00:38:01,535 --> 00:38:06,455
which I am not the, the concern that we have is

746
00:38:06,455 --> 00:38:10,655
that over the 30 years time, even if everything was frozen,

747
00:38:11,305 --> 00:38:13,655
there was no increase in the cost of education.

748
00:38:13,945 --> 00:38:16,135
Which I don't think anybody's sitting on a board

749
00:38:16,365 --> 00:38:17,895
will recognize that as being the case.

750
00:38:17,985 --> 00:38:19,495
Costs just seem to be going up

751
00:38:20,035 --> 00:38:22,695
and generally speaking it is gonna go up a rate

752
00:38:22,695 --> 00:38:23,855
that's higher than nutrition.

753
00:38:24,635 --> 00:38:27,455
It has done so for the last, oh I don't know,

754
00:38:27,455 --> 00:38:29,575
25, 30 years since I've been gone to schools

755
00:38:31,015 --> 00:38:33,655
building the state of the art building may be,

756
00:38:34,095 --> 00:38:38,645
but it's not necessary as far as what most of the people

757
00:38:38,645 --> 00:38:43,085
that talk to me about, if Randolph can accept 40 students,

758
00:38:44,035 --> 00:38:48,005
there's probably a lot of other school systems where there

759
00:38:48,005 --> 00:38:50,285
to declar enrollments that are affected

760
00:38:50,345 --> 00:38:51,525
the same way Randolph is.

761
00:38:51,525 --> 00:38:53,525
They could take in students,

762
00:38:54,095 --> 00:38:56,685
maybe we're looking at it from a different point of view

763
00:38:56,685 --> 00:38:58,685
that we should be looking at satellites.

764
00:38:59,455 --> 00:39:02,965
There are a lot of school districts across the country when

765
00:39:03,005 --> 00:39:06,005
I was in Virginia saw that there were district satellite

766
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:08,445
entities and they seem to work very well.

767
00:39:09,155 --> 00:39:11,845
True enough there's gonna be ***** no matter what you do

768
00:39:12,105 --> 00:39:15,485
as far as where you set things up, whether they be satellite

769
00:39:15,625 --> 00:39:17,085
or you have the state of the art building.

770
00:39:18,535 --> 00:39:21,315
The graniteville district kind of concerned me

771
00:39:21,315 --> 00:39:22,875
because that's their water district.

772
00:39:22,875 --> 00:39:24,835
And the water district from my understanding,

773
00:39:24,835 --> 00:39:26,235
doesn't have the capacity for this.

774
00:39:26,455 --> 00:39:29,035
So I have a real stranges quirky question.

775
00:39:29,095 --> 00:39:30,235
My back of my head is,

776
00:39:30,565 --> 00:39:32,995
where will the water come from to supply this?

777
00:39:33,315 --> 00:39:35,075
'cause right now that needs a tremendous upgrade.

778
00:39:36,675 --> 00:39:38,715
I don't know about the sewer capacities.

779
00:39:38,915 --> 00:39:43,795
I know we, we are coed with Barry City for that.

780
00:39:44,335 --> 00:39:49,035
And as was mentioned on your presentation,

781
00:39:49,125 --> 00:39:50,835
there is some concerns about traffic.

782
00:39:51,365 --> 00:39:54,035
Those of us who live in the town, you're gonna have

783
00:39:54,035 --> 00:39:55,035
to come up some state hills.

784
00:39:55,035 --> 00:39:58,155
You're gonna come to some interesting intersections to get

785
00:39:58,295 --> 00:39:59,435
to this location.

786
00:39:59,845 --> 00:40:03,795
Which passing understanding is in the farthest corner

787
00:40:03,895 --> 00:40:07,715
of the district that this is a interesting place

788
00:40:08,695 --> 00:40:10,715
and, and most of us who lived

789
00:40:10,715 --> 00:40:13,315
around these general areas knew that there were wetlands

790
00:40:13,315 --> 00:40:14,915
and other concerns and obviously not

791
00:40:14,915 --> 00:40:16,035
showing up in their maps.

792
00:40:19,575 --> 00:40:21,795
We had a response

793
00:40:22,205 --> 00:40:26,555
after we had formed our Act 46 group

794
00:40:26,575 --> 00:40:28,475
and we realized there were so many other acts

795
00:40:28,665 --> 00:40:30,075
that the state was throwing at us.

796
00:40:30,075 --> 00:40:31,355
We just couldn't keep up with it.

797
00:40:31,655 --> 00:40:36,475
Act 1 73, which dealt with the special ed formula, caused us

798
00:40:36,535 --> 00:40:38,475
to buy a piece of property

799
00:40:38,535 --> 00:40:40,675
and build what we called as the sea building.

800
00:40:41,175 --> 00:40:42,785
And that was the intent

801
00:40:42,785 --> 00:40:45,825
to bring in our special ed kids back in

802
00:40:45,825 --> 00:40:47,345
because we didn't want to get hammered.

803
00:40:47,825 --> 00:40:50,225
'cause we were told at the time it might cost us a million

804
00:40:50,225 --> 00:40:53,065
or two a year, an extra expense to the district.

805
00:40:53,445 --> 00:40:55,305
So it made sense to maybe put a couple million

806
00:40:55,305 --> 00:40:56,545
dollars in building, building.

807
00:40:57,575 --> 00:41:00,105
However that project went 50% over.

808
00:41:01,695 --> 00:41:03,635
And we also found out that

809
00:41:04,335 --> 00:41:09,275
the way the X 2073 panned out to, we built it basically

810
00:41:10,255 --> 00:41:12,195
on a theory and it never panned out.

811
00:41:13,425 --> 00:41:15,485
As much as I believe in tech schools

812
00:41:15,545 --> 00:41:17,405
and I do believe in tech technology

813
00:41:17,545 --> 00:41:18,925
is is very, very important.

814
00:41:18,965 --> 00:41:21,325
I believe in education or I wouldn't even be here

815
00:41:21,325 --> 00:41:22,685
tonight to talk about it.

816
00:41:24,005 --> 00:41:28,545
I'm aware of many of the neighbors in my community that said

817
00:41:28,545 --> 00:41:31,145
that they've hit the maximum what they can pay.

818
00:41:32,005 --> 00:41:36,045
So if you say an average cost of a home is around 300,000,

819
00:41:36,505 --> 00:41:40,045
you are looking at something between oh 110

820
00:41:40,065 --> 00:41:44,955
and $140 per house at that range.

821
00:41:45,815 --> 00:41:48,995
That's, that's a sizeable increase when you look at it

822
00:41:49,735 --> 00:41:51,035
in the real scale of

823
00:41:51,035 --> 00:41:54,035
what housing in Vermont has gone since COVID came in

824
00:41:54,445 --> 00:41:55,475
those housing numbers.

825
00:41:55,895 --> 00:41:58,075
I'm not even sure $300,000 will get you

826
00:41:58,075 --> 00:41:59,195
into a decent house anymore.

827
00:42:00,315 --> 00:42:02,835
I know there's a lot of people that are in Barr Town,

828
00:42:02,835 --> 00:42:04,795
particularly the town that I live in

829
00:42:05,755 --> 00:42:08,035
who have properties are way more than that

830
00:42:08,615 --> 00:42:12,795
and a lot of 'em are probably paying one to

831
00:42:13,615 --> 00:42:15,755
one and a half thousand dollars per month.

832
00:42:15,985 --> 00:42:18,395
That used to be a big mortgage many years ago.

833
00:42:18,395 --> 00:42:20,275
Right now that's just the ordinary tax.

834
00:42:21,595 --> 00:42:25,755
I would encourage you to look at, you know, the,

835
00:42:26,135 --> 00:42:27,275
the facts that we're going

836
00:42:27,275 --> 00:42:29,275
to have continuing education increase

837
00:42:29,615 --> 00:42:31,355
and maybe look outside the box.

838
00:42:32,395 --> 00:42:33,995
Whenever I was designing buildings and

839
00:42:34,055 --> 00:42:37,635
and doing construction so forth, we looked at, you know,

840
00:42:38,065 --> 00:42:41,795
optimum ways to stretching that dollar homeowners

841
00:42:41,795 --> 00:42:44,635
and businesses wanted that from us and that was important.

842
00:42:45,715 --> 00:42:47,755
I know these gentlemen have done a good job.

843
00:42:47,915 --> 00:42:50,275
I mean when we were involved with our C building,

844
00:42:50,715 --> 00:42:52,635
I was involved with that committee very directly

845
00:42:52,635 --> 00:42:54,315
and talked about its expansion

846
00:42:54,315 --> 00:42:55,755
because we thought that's exactly

847
00:42:55,985 --> 00:42:57,275
what was going to have to happen.

848
00:42:57,655 --> 00:43:00,275
And we allowed for an expansion

849
00:43:00,295 --> 00:43:01,955
by planning its infrastructure

850
00:43:01,975 --> 00:43:05,875
but that purpose we're not fully filled on

851
00:43:05,875 --> 00:43:06,995
that building at this point.

852
00:43:07,225 --> 00:43:08,555
That kind of concerns me too.

853
00:43:08,875 --> 00:43:11,995
'cause that's another thing that we are concerned about.

854
00:43:12,745 --> 00:43:14,915
It's not that I'm against technical education,

855
00:43:14,925 --> 00:43:15,955
quite the contrary.

856
00:43:16,155 --> 00:43:18,155
I think it's a very, very important habit.

857
00:43:19,215 --> 00:43:21,475
But we are in a state, this is not northern Virginia,

858
00:43:21,725 --> 00:43:22,755
we're in a state right now

859
00:43:22,805 --> 00:43:25,875
where people are actually having a hard time, A,

860
00:43:25,875 --> 00:43:28,315
getting housing B, being able to afford housing

861
00:43:28,655 --> 00:43:31,275
and C are having a hard time making all ends.

862
00:43:31,355 --> 00:43:34,795
B we are a state of older population.

863
00:43:35,475 --> 00:43:36,995
I hear gives testimony to that.

864
00:43:37,735 --> 00:43:40,155
And as a result of that, there are a lot of people

865
00:43:40,155 --> 00:43:41,755
who are on fixed incomes.

866
00:43:42,175 --> 00:43:44,875
We have a difficult time making ends meet.

867
00:43:45,505 --> 00:43:47,875
They shouldn't have to choose between their medicines,

868
00:43:49,005 --> 00:43:52,555
their their food, clothing and shelter.

869
00:43:53,455 --> 00:43:55,235
And they have a tax burden on top of that.

870
00:43:55,435 --> 00:43:57,795
'cause every one of them making that, not to mention energy,

871
00:43:58,055 --> 00:44:00,235
energy is a real big problem right now

872
00:44:00,975 --> 00:44:03,315
and in this state we've gone in these directions

873
00:44:03,375 --> 00:44:05,435
and made it next to it possible.

874
00:44:05,835 --> 00:44:08,595
I don't think the legislators really had a clue as to

875
00:44:08,595 --> 00:44:10,715
what was gonna happen with Act 1 27.

876
00:44:11,375 --> 00:44:14,395
But it was a big blow up. The idea change in models.

877
00:44:14,865 --> 00:44:18,035
Once again, coming back to special ed, we don't,

878
00:44:18,035 --> 00:44:21,075
we don't know what's gonna happen in the near future.

879
00:44:21,415 --> 00:44:24,185
That's the problem we're talking about.

880
00:44:24,855 --> 00:44:27,625
What happens to this school system.

881
00:44:27,725 --> 00:44:31,925
For example, our population is drawn tremendously

882
00:44:32,585 --> 00:44:34,045
and some days we have maybe four

883
00:44:34,045 --> 00:44:35,885
or 500 kids in this building, which used

884
00:44:35,885 --> 00:44:37,965
to have 13, 14, 1500 kids.

885
00:44:38,385 --> 00:44:39,405
That's just one building

886
00:44:39,985 --> 00:44:42,365
and we're watching our populations decline.

887
00:44:43,345 --> 00:44:45,845
We no longer have, you know, three or 4,000 students.

888
00:44:46,295 --> 00:44:48,885
We're now headed towards under 2200 students

889
00:44:48,985 --> 00:44:50,165
for this entire district.

890
00:44:50,465 --> 00:44:52,245
That's Barry and Barry down,

891
00:44:52,455 --> 00:44:55,165
which in this circle is the largest district.

892
00:44:56,755 --> 00:44:57,805
What is the burden?

893
00:44:58,045 --> 00:44:59,365
I was listening to

894
00:44:59,545 --> 00:45:03,845
how this bond might work out if students shift, does

895
00:45:03,845 --> 00:45:06,525
that mean that the bond ratios that been put together

896
00:45:06,525 --> 00:45:08,605
for the 18 towns also shift?

897
00:45:08,945 --> 00:45:10,765
It sounded like it a minute ago.

898
00:45:11,905 --> 00:45:15,285
And that's leads to another thing of uncertainty.

899
00:45:15,625 --> 00:45:16,885
And we shouldn't go into something

900
00:45:16,885 --> 00:45:18,125
with an uncertainty principle.

901
00:45:19,715 --> 00:45:20,995
I hope it didn't discourage you,

902
00:45:21,055 --> 00:45:22,635
but I just thought somebody had

903
00:45:22,635 --> 00:45:25,275
to say it was my ears been getting bent quite a bit on it

904
00:45:25,275 --> 00:45:28,235
and I just thought I'd share that. Thank you. Thank you.

905
00:45:28,495 --> 00:45:28,915
Thanks.

906
00:45:34,895 --> 00:45:36,665
This isn't clear. I thought somebody else

907
00:45:36,925 --> 00:45:39,105
Had No I On a different issue.

908
00:45:39,295 --> 00:45:41,065
Okay, let's roll with this one.

909
00:45:42,465 --> 00:45:44,985
I just wanna say I am a strong support of the test school.

910
00:45:45,065 --> 00:45:47,145
I think it's awesome what they offer

911
00:45:47,325 --> 00:45:50,945
and I always feel bad for the students that want to go

912
00:45:50,945 --> 00:45:53,105
that can't attend for that year.

913
00:45:53,345 --> 00:45:55,105
'cause I know it impacts their,

914
00:45:55,155 --> 00:45:56,865
their plans and their future.

915
00:45:59,745 --> 00:46:03,065
Speaking about this district, Mr. Malone is,

916
00:46:03,605 --> 00:46:06,345
is accurate when he says we just this one year we've lost

917
00:46:06,795 --> 00:46:08,865
eight students at Swanley High School

918
00:46:09,645 --> 00:46:13,205
and which is quite concerning

919
00:46:13,205 --> 00:46:17,005
because it was, it used to be 1600 students here.

920
00:46:17,125 --> 00:46:19,645
I went to school here and I remember when it was packed.

921
00:46:20,065 --> 00:46:21,565
But anyways, and,

922
00:46:21,705 --> 00:46:25,325
but they have a $70 million budget here that we're paying

923
00:46:26,895 --> 00:46:30,675
for taxes and in addition to all the property taxes.

924
00:46:31,855 --> 00:46:34,835
So I really would like to see this happen,

925
00:46:35,695 --> 00:46:38,435
but I just have some questions before we get there.

926
00:46:38,975 --> 00:46:41,955
Was there a cost benefit analysis done on

927
00:46:43,775 --> 00:46:47,235
the existing building versus the new deal as far

928
00:46:47,235 --> 00:46:49,835
as getting your needs here to,

929
00:46:50,615 --> 00:46:52,195
do you know if that was done at all?

930
00:46:54,195 --> 00:46:57,255
Yes, we actually had the architects design

931
00:46:57,645 --> 00:47:00,255
what it would look like to add the spaces here

932
00:47:00,595 --> 00:47:01,935
for us to be able to do that.

933
00:47:02,205 --> 00:47:04,175
Okay. It doesn't fit. Okay.

934
00:47:04,735 --> 00:47:07,135
There are some concerns about this being a floodplain.

935
00:47:07,995 --> 00:47:11,255
As you know, we have not had this building tested for PCBs

936
00:47:11,255 --> 00:47:13,415
yet, so there might be some mitigation there.

937
00:47:13,605 --> 00:47:17,255
Okay. So there's, there are a lot of potential factors

938
00:47:17,355 --> 00:47:20,375
and if we're renovating any part of the space to become

939
00:47:21,115 --> 00:47:24,655
lab spaces, there are very different spaces than

940
00:47:24,885 --> 00:47:25,895
classroom spaces.

941
00:47:26,245 --> 00:47:29,405
Okay. So it's a pretty significant shift as far as heights

942
00:47:29,405 --> 00:47:31,845
of ceilings ability to carry weight.

943
00:47:32,705 --> 00:47:33,965
So we did look at that

944
00:47:34,065 --> 00:47:36,245
and we did actually bring it to the very board.

945
00:47:36,425 --> 00:47:40,965
You did? Gosh, it was a while ago, two years ago, Joe,

946
00:47:41,385 --> 00:47:42,805
I'm not sure if it was two, but it was a while ago

947
00:47:42,905 --> 00:47:44,405
Was, wasn't there also an issue that,

948
00:47:44,675 --> 00:47:47,925
that we don't own this building?

949
00:47:48,215 --> 00:47:50,845
Right. And so I can't remember

950
00:47:50,845 --> 00:47:52,045
what it was until I thought that.

951
00:47:52,045 --> 00:47:54,335
Right. Honestly,

952
00:47:54,375 --> 00:47:55,935
I don't think anyone's answered the question

953
00:47:55,995 --> 00:47:58,295
of if CT has become a single district

954
00:47:58,435 --> 00:47:59,815
who owns the CTE spaces

955
00:47:59,815 --> 00:48:04,495
because the, the funds were direct CTE funds

956
00:48:04,565 --> 00:48:05,575
that pay for the spaces.

957
00:48:06,075 --> 00:48:07,935
So that's a, that's a really good question,

958
00:48:07,955 --> 00:48:11,775
but right now we can pay a facility to use fee for a lot

959
00:48:11,775 --> 00:48:14,655
of the infrastructure that is part of the full building.

960
00:48:14,765 --> 00:48:17,615
Yeah. Well and we also have the issue that we can't use

961
00:48:18,435 --> 00:48:21,135
our grant funding for upgrades

962
00:48:21,135 --> 00:48:22,375
because we don't own the building.

963
00:48:22,665 --> 00:48:25,375
Right. Question.

964
00:48:26,955 --> 00:48:29,255
So beyond the students, which I think would be great.

965
00:48:29,875 --> 00:48:30,975
Is there any other plans

966
00:48:30,995 --> 00:48:33,495
and you probably haven't got here yet, like for

967
00:48:35,625 --> 00:48:36,815
adult workforce training?

968
00:48:37,195 --> 00:48:40,455
Yes. Okay. So one of the, one of the things

969
00:48:40,455 --> 00:48:43,815
that I've been doing a lot of research on is just

970
00:48:44,375 --> 00:48:45,735
CTE across our country.

971
00:48:46,475 --> 00:48:48,775
And there are a lot of benefits in just

972
00:48:50,175 --> 00:48:52,215
training students here, high school students

973
00:48:52,315 --> 00:48:54,815
and what they get and bring to our communities

974
00:48:54,815 --> 00:48:57,735
because more of them tend to stay in the communities.

975
00:48:57,735 --> 00:48:59,575
And of course I think Lyman, you were talking about this

976
00:48:59,575 --> 00:49:02,775
before the meeting started, the average salary

977
00:49:02,845 --> 00:49:05,175
that they get coming straight out of tech school instead

978
00:49:05,175 --> 00:49:06,175
of straight out of high school

979
00:49:06,675 --> 00:49:08,255
and entering in as an apprentice

980
00:49:08,395 --> 00:49:10,175
and as an electrician for example,

981
00:49:10,555 --> 00:49:11,975
is much higher than their peers

982
00:49:11,975 --> 00:49:13,015
that they're sending schools.

983
00:49:13,395 --> 00:49:14,615
So their earning potential

984
00:49:14,615 --> 00:49:16,815
and their ability to potentially settle here

985
00:49:16,955 --> 00:49:20,095
and be part of that tax base is also higher.

986
00:49:21,315 --> 00:49:25,055
We are on the precipice of signing an agreement

987
00:49:25,055 --> 00:49:27,535
with district six emergency services to do all

988
00:49:27,535 --> 00:49:31,135
of their training and the funds that they get for the grants

989
00:49:31,135 --> 00:49:32,455
that they get for their training.

990
00:49:33,155 --> 00:49:36,455
And some state grants are coming to us to pilot this so

991
00:49:36,455 --> 00:49:38,735
that we do it all here, partly

992
00:49:38,735 --> 00:49:40,975
because we have redundant equipment

993
00:49:41,275 --> 00:49:43,415
and so they won't have to keep investing in equipment

994
00:49:43,415 --> 00:49:45,535
that we already have and we have the spaces

995
00:49:45,635 --> 00:49:47,495
to do the training instead of having

996
00:49:47,515 --> 00:49:49,775
to pull the firetrucks out of the fire station so

997
00:49:49,775 --> 00:49:50,855
that they can do a training day.

998
00:49:51,435 --> 00:49:54,535
So that's something that we're soon to sign off on.

999
00:49:54,695 --> 00:49:56,135
I would say within the next two weeks

1000
00:49:58,075 --> 00:50:01,015
we have a new adult ed coordinator who's working

1001
00:50:01,035 --> 00:50:02,215
on some other pieces.

1002
00:50:02,395 --> 00:50:04,295
And so we're looking at growing not only

1003
00:50:04,295 --> 00:50:06,055
where our high school students have access,

1004
00:50:06,435 --> 00:50:08,695
but also any training for adult education.

1005
00:50:08,835 --> 00:50:10,295
So it, we're hoping

1006
00:50:10,325 --> 00:50:13,575
that this new facility will be a much better hub for all of

1007
00:50:13,575 --> 00:50:15,495
that and to support all

1008
00:50:15,495 --> 00:50:17,335
of the workforce development in our region.

1009
00:50:18,735 --> 00:50:20,815
I have one last questions to her.

1010
00:50:21,795 --> 00:50:22,895
One, if one

1011
00:50:22,895 --> 00:50:27,055
of the sunny districts will know, we won't know.

1012
00:50:27,665 --> 00:50:29,805
We won't know. Our votes are commingled,

1013
00:50:30,265 --> 00:50:33,685
so we just have the end result of yeses and nos.

1014
00:50:33,955 --> 00:50:35,125
Okay. So it's a majority.

1015
00:50:35,665 --> 00:50:37,725
And from these towns it seems like it's gonna be

1016
00:50:37,725 --> 00:50:38,885
hard for them to budget.

1017
00:50:40,235 --> 00:50:41,645
Will there be like a heads up

1018
00:50:41,785 --> 00:50:46,685
or some kind of That's a really good question

1019
00:50:46,685 --> 00:50:48,085
and we're gonna do the best we can

1020
00:50:48,085 --> 00:50:49,885
to provide all the information that we do.

1021
00:50:49,985 --> 00:50:53,445
As you've sat through a couple of my roadshows in December

1022
00:50:53,455 --> 00:50:56,365
where I go and let everybody know where's our budget at,

1023
00:50:56,875 --> 00:50:58,565
what, what's the impact on you?

1024
00:51:00,665 --> 00:51:02,965
But we're all gonna have to wait and see what happens.

1025
00:51:03,095 --> 00:51:04,645
There are so many things

1026
00:51:04,645 --> 00:51:06,845
that we just can't predict right now that we're,

1027
00:51:06,845 --> 00:51:09,365
that's why we're sitting with these FY 26 numbers

1028
00:51:09,595 --> 00:51:13,245
because that's the only thing we have that's real right now.

1029
00:51:13,865 --> 00:51:15,645
And there's nothing that we can predict.

1030
00:51:15,665 --> 00:51:16,885
So are these numbers real?

1031
00:51:17,265 --> 00:51:18,925
No, because they apply

1032
00:51:18,925 --> 00:51:21,565
as if we were paying back something this year under

1033
00:51:21,565 --> 00:51:23,445
everything that's currently happening.

1034
00:51:23,945 --> 00:51:26,005
And any change to that shifts those numbers.

1035
00:51:26,855 --> 00:51:27,855
Thank you so much.

1036
00:51:30,855 --> 00:51:32,575
I just wanted to address one

1037
00:51:32,575 --> 00:51:33,775
thing, Mr. Malone, is that right?

1038
00:51:33,775 --> 00:51:35,055
Yes. Line and gas.

1039
00:51:36,915 --> 00:51:41,415
The, the idea of Randolph that I had the same idea you did,

1040
00:51:41,415 --> 00:51:43,895
which was if Randolph could take 40 of our kids

1041
00:51:44,035 --> 00:51:45,695
and other schools could take some,

1042
00:51:46,125 --> 00:51:47,655
we'd be set and we'd be fine.

1043
00:51:48,235 --> 00:51:52,695
And Jody, I thought you responded very well to me, which was

1044
00:51:53,595 --> 00:51:57,735
now we're talking about a kid somehow getting from Cabot

1045
00:51:57,915 --> 00:52:02,215
to here, Cabot from their house to cab school to here

1046
00:52:03,075 --> 00:52:06,075
to Randolph in the middle of winter

1047
00:52:07,335 --> 00:52:09,195
is a long way away.

1048
00:52:09,195 --> 00:52:12,115
They'll, they'll spend more time on the bus than they

1049
00:52:12,115 --> 00:52:13,515
will in the building.

1050
00:52:13,795 --> 00:52:15,715
I believe it'll be right around the same.

1051
00:52:16,335 --> 00:52:18,635
And so that's not an ideal.

1052
00:52:19,505 --> 00:52:20,915
Well I I would add to that,

1053
00:52:20,985 --> 00:52:24,395
that if you've been watching North Southwest has had two

1054
00:52:24,395 --> 00:52:26,395
meetings with Pain Mountain School District

1055
00:52:27,205 --> 00:52:30,755
where they're trying to talk about should they move forward

1056
00:52:30,755 --> 00:52:33,155
with a merger idea ahead of

1057
00:52:33,155 --> 00:52:34,235
what the legislature is gonna do.

1058
00:52:34,575 --> 00:52:38,635
And some very folks, very board folks were there to listen

1059
00:52:39,335 --> 00:52:42,155
at their last meeting last week, which is the same time

1060
00:52:42,215 --> 00:52:43,835
as the Washington Central meeting.

1061
00:52:44,335 --> 00:52:47,355
And basically what I interpreted was

1062
00:52:47,355 --> 00:52:50,475
that Orange Southwest is saying Randolph school has,

1063
00:52:50,695 --> 00:52:52,235
is going to, in the near future,

1064
00:52:52,825 --> 00:52:55,515
have some pretty big failures that are gonna cost them a lot

1065
00:52:55,515 --> 00:52:58,275
of money and that they would need a new building.

1066
00:52:58,415 --> 00:53:01,355
And so they were looking for Paine Mountain

1067
00:53:01,615 --> 00:53:03,155
to potentially join 'em

1068
00:53:03,215 --> 00:53:05,195
and build a new regional high school in

1069
00:53:05,195 --> 00:53:06,315
Randolph with a tech center.

1070
00:53:09,985 --> 00:53:13,885
Our new center could potentially take care of our region

1071
00:53:14,185 --> 00:53:15,485
and the Randolph students

1072
00:53:15,485 --> 00:53:18,205
because they're 106 with our students.

1073
00:53:22,945 --> 00:53:24,045
I'd like to respond to you.

1074
00:53:24,785 --> 00:53:26,285
I'm the kind of a person that likes

1075
00:53:26,285 --> 00:53:27,325
to think outta the box.

1076
00:53:27,345 --> 00:53:29,525
In fact, I usually pretend there is no box.

1077
00:53:30,385 --> 00:53:32,085
You know, Randolph was a long ways to go.

1078
00:53:32,625 --> 00:53:35,245
My, my first commentary to that would be

1079
00:53:35,245 --> 00:53:37,885
that there are a lot of buildings in this district,

1080
00:53:37,885 --> 00:53:41,245
the overall what might be a new state district, who knows?

1081
00:53:41,705 --> 00:53:43,845
But there's an awful lot of space that is trying

1082
00:53:43,845 --> 00:53:45,325
to be created in a lot of the schools

1083
00:53:45,505 --> 00:53:46,965
to constantly closing schools

1084
00:53:47,035 --> 00:53:48,685
because there's that much space

1085
00:53:49,305 --> 00:53:52,885
and small populations kind of forces you to that.

1086
00:53:54,365 --> 00:53:57,105
So two, two ways of answering that is maybe to look,

1087
00:53:57,535 --> 00:53:59,705
look at all the schools that we have right now, which are,

1088
00:53:59,705 --> 00:54:02,705
you're sending the schools and say, is there, is there a way

1089
00:54:02,705 --> 00:54:03,785
to maybe do satellites

1090
00:54:03,925 --> 00:54:06,945
or another way to look at that is go ahead the bond go,

1091
00:54:07,325 --> 00:54:08,825
if it fails, then you come back

1092
00:54:08,825 --> 00:54:11,465
to looking at maybe some satellite programs.

1093
00:54:12,545 --> 00:54:13,985
I don't see any other route to that,

1094
00:54:14,085 --> 00:54:17,345
but that's, I I don't serve in your capacity

1095
00:54:17,365 --> 00:54:21,785
and you have a a, a way in blaming these two. But it is

1096
00:54:22,405 --> 00:54:24,825
No, I I I think these are all things

1097
00:54:24,825 --> 00:54:27,945
that we've been discussing over the past couple of years

1098
00:54:28,245 --> 00:54:32,185
and there's a lot of yes, ands, let's do this.

1099
00:54:32,525 --> 00:54:35,745
And there's also a well, but this doesn't work

1100
00:54:35,775 --> 00:54:37,865
because of this reason.

1101
00:54:38,035 --> 00:54:41,945
We've kind of been juggling all of those things for,

1102
00:54:42,155 --> 00:54:43,665
since the district was started.

1103
00:54:44,685 --> 00:54:45,685
And

1104
00:54:46,205 --> 00:54:50,025
If, if the state was building tech centers like they did

1105
00:54:50,025 --> 00:54:54,505
before, go back some time to when this meeting was put on

1106
00:54:55,525 --> 00:54:57,025
and they were gonna do that a hundred percent.

1107
00:54:57,055 --> 00:55:00,905
There's no question in my mind. I like the pretty pictures.

1108
00:55:01,025 --> 00:55:02,305
I like what, what you're trying to do.

1109
00:55:02,425 --> 00:55:04,025
I like the idea you expanded program,

1110
00:55:05,405 --> 00:55:08,105
but what's going to be the thing that holds everything up is

1111
00:55:08,445 --> 00:55:11,105
how do people who actually pay for this,

1112
00:55:12,845 --> 00:55:15,225
I'm not speaking for myself personally,

1113
00:55:16,475 --> 00:55:19,855
having put poor kids through college, I can tell you clearly

1114
00:55:20,005 --> 00:55:23,735
that it's, it's, it's an interesting path

1115
00:55:24,035 --> 00:55:25,975
and, you know, education costs.

1116
00:55:26,755 --> 00:55:29,295
But in this reality, in this day and age

1117
00:55:29,295 --> 00:55:30,735
and being in the state, Vermont

1118
00:55:31,675 --> 00:55:33,655
moneys are drying up in a lot of different quarters.

1119
00:55:33,675 --> 00:55:36,535
And you are, our economic growth is,

1120
00:55:36,755 --> 00:55:39,335
is not really like it was say cir

1121
00:55:39,735 --> 00:55:43,335
nineties, eighties and so on. That's all I say.

1122
00:55:43,945 --> 00:55:44,375
Thank you.

1123
00:55:49,015 --> 00:55:51,515
Anyone online have any questions or concerns?

1124
00:55:55,155 --> 00:55:56,155
Come on Guy.

1125
00:56:02,505 --> 00:56:05,565
Can can I ask another quick question? Michelle?

1126
00:56:05,925 --> 00:56:08,605
I was looking in your, what remains uncertain yield

1127
00:56:08,605 --> 00:56:10,045
and CLA adjustments are in there.

1128
00:56:10,465 --> 00:56:14,925
And is that only for like taking, like figuring out

1129
00:56:14,985 --> 00:56:17,405
how much a specific town would,

1130
00:56:18,785 --> 00:56:20,645
it would cost a, a 300,000?

1131
00:56:20,915 --> 00:56:24,085
It's not the actual like proportional. Right. Okay, cool.

1132
00:56:24,085 --> 00:56:28,205
Right. Yeah, it's simply like XX number

1133
00:56:28,265 --> 00:56:31,165
of students on average over the last six semesters came

1134
00:56:31,165 --> 00:56:32,405
from Montpelier.

1135
00:56:32,545 --> 00:56:36,805
So that proportion of the, the bond bill is paid

1136
00:56:36,805 --> 00:56:39,805
by Montpelier and then you divide up based on the property.

1137
00:56:39,805 --> 00:56:42,645
Yep. By grant risk, whatever. Yeah. Fantastic.

1138
00:56:42,905 --> 00:56:46,245
Now I'm ready to explain the tax system.

1139
00:56:48,365 --> 00:56:51,765
I mean at, at the end of the day it seems like it has test

1140
00:56:51,825 --> 00:56:53,565
for me because broadly speaking

1141
00:56:54,225 --> 00:56:56,965
the project is gonna add about 4.5%

1142
00:56:57,145 --> 00:56:59,805
to the total expenditures of the 18 towns.

1143
00:57:00,345 --> 00:57:02,365
And we saw that there's an average about five

1144
00:57:02,385 --> 00:57:03,405
and three quarter percent

1145
00:57:03,405 --> 00:57:05,045
or something like that, which probably accounts

1146
00:57:05,045 --> 00:57:06,525
for financing costs

1147
00:57:06,585 --> 00:57:08,205
or variability in the, in the

1148
00:57:09,155 --> 00:57:11,605
translating my rough numbers to real numbers.

1149
00:57:13,585 --> 00:57:15,685
So to me it passes the sniff test.

1150
00:57:15,685 --> 00:57:17,045
It may be a little conservative,

1151
00:57:20,935 --> 00:57:22,205
which is probably where you want to be.

1152
00:57:26,165 --> 00:57:27,895
Todd, I heard something from my, I thought so.

1153
00:57:27,895 --> 00:57:30,375
Thought so too. Did anyone try to raise a hand?

1154
00:57:33,765 --> 00:57:36,975
Alright, well that brings us to

1155
00:57:38,145 --> 00:57:39,735
conclusion of our discussion.

1156
00:57:41,485 --> 00:57:46,295
What action does our career center need from the

1157
00:57:46,295 --> 00:57:50,065
board at this time, if any?

1158
00:57:50,265 --> 00:57:53,185
I don't have that. We do, sorry to close my computer,

1159
00:57:54,325 --> 00:57:59,185
but the authorization to draft a warning to get this

1160
00:57:59,285 --> 00:58:00,625
to our taxpayers.

1161
00:58:03,745 --> 00:58:05,665
I do have the warning, I do have the language

1162
00:58:05,665 --> 00:58:08,545
for this summary, but we're just drafting,

1163
00:58:08,545 --> 00:58:09,985
we're agreeing to draft one.

1164
00:58:10,195 --> 00:58:12,705
We're not authorizing the warning at this time. No. Correct.

1165
00:58:12,905 --> 00:58:16,745
I just need you to authorize the ability to drop the warning

1166
00:58:16,845 --> 00:58:18,265
to bring it to the taxpayer.

1167
00:58:18,735 --> 00:58:23,265
Okay. So we need a motion for the board to draft a warning

1168
00:58:23,995 --> 00:58:25,905
announcing the, the bond vote

1169
00:58:27,405 --> 00:58:30,385
and allowing all those who have

1170
00:58:31,335 --> 00:58:34,545
significant input to put that together.

1171
00:58:34,725 --> 00:58:37,665
So I need a motion to draft a warning for the bond vote.

1172
00:58:38,815 --> 00:58:42,425
I'll make that motion. Alice. Thank you. All right guy.

1173
00:58:42,695 --> 00:58:47,145
Need a second? A second. Patrick, any discussion?

1174
00:58:50,365 --> 00:58:54,145
Any questions? Hearing none.

1175
00:58:54,245 --> 00:58:56,065
All those in favor, please say aye.

1176
00:58:56,725 --> 00:58:57,905
Aye. Aye. Aye.

1177
00:58:58,285 --> 00:59:02,905
Aye. Okay. We got everyone in the room.

1178
00:59:03,545 --> 00:59:05,905
Everyone online. Okay.

1179
00:59:07,855 --> 00:59:08,715
Any dissension?

1180
00:59:11,615 --> 00:59:13,435
Any abstentions?

1181
00:59:14,625 --> 00:59:16,155
Hearing none. Motion carries.

1182
00:59:22,065 --> 00:59:23,565
Now who will work on that?

1183
00:59:24,625 --> 00:59:27,725
Me, we're gonna bring it to legal counsel

1184
00:59:27,785 --> 00:59:30,605
and then we'll bring you the morning for official approval

1185
00:59:31,515 --> 00:59:33,485
next September 8th.

1186
00:59:34,785 --> 00:59:39,325
All right. So we will hear from our school administration

1187
00:59:39,745 --> 00:59:42,325
and legal counsel on September 8th.

1188
00:59:43,625 --> 00:59:47,125
Can I, for the purposes of our tenants, can I ask,

1189
00:59:47,225 --> 00:59:49,805
who is the phone number that ends in eight six?

1190
00:59:53,355 --> 00:59:56,805
This is Yara Mosquito. Oh, thank you Yara.

1191
00:59:59,945 --> 01:00:02,915
Okay, thank you. All right,

1192
01:00:03,105 --> 01:00:04,235
Just a process question.

1193
01:00:04,295 --> 01:00:08,475
Yes. So we just need to get that vetted warning

1194
01:00:08,895 --> 01:00:10,755
to the town clerks, like, whatever,

1195
01:00:10,755 --> 01:00:12,075
40 days or something like that.

1196
01:00:12,075 --> 01:00:14,355
30 days, whatever they're Yep. Before,

1197
01:00:15,625 --> 01:00:16,835
Yeah, before vote.

1198
01:00:17,035 --> 01:00:18,875
I had to start a Google sheet. 'cause there's a

1199
01:00:18,975 --> 01:00:20,155
Lot of, they all have

1200
01:00:20,375 --> 01:00:23,435
In all the different towns. Thank

1201
01:00:23,435 --> 01:00:24,435
You.

1202
01:00:24,435 --> 01:00:25,395
Thank you. Thank you guys.

1203
01:00:27,065 --> 01:00:28,675
Work my way backwards on this one.

1204
01:00:29,055 --> 01:00:30,315
On on that same note,

1205
01:00:30,695 --> 01:00:32,315
the question I was gonna ask earlier was,

1206
01:00:32,415 --> 01:00:37,055
we have the town clerks on to process the votes.

1207
01:00:38,525 --> 01:00:40,215
They're all aware. They're all aware.

1208
01:00:40,215 --> 01:00:41,455
They've had some conversations,

1209
01:00:41,455 --> 01:00:42,535
they've asked some questions.

1210
01:00:42,925 --> 01:00:44,575
Okay. But they know it's coming

1211
01:00:44,635 --> 01:00:46,295
and they've been providing me with

1212
01:00:46,825 --> 01:00:48,775
where the voting will take place

1213
01:00:48,835 --> 01:00:50,175
and the the hours they'll be open.

1214
01:00:50,355 --> 01:00:52,975
So we're updating that information. Awesome.

1215
01:00:55,395 --> 01:01:00,095
All right. Moving forward. Marketing updates.

1216
01:01:02,195 --> 01:01:04,085
I'll have two tomatoes and a zucchini.

1217
01:01:05,595 --> 01:01:07,325
Careful when asking the zucchinis

1218
01:01:13,545 --> 01:01:13,765
uc.

1219
01:01:16,025 --> 01:01:17,605
So a lot of doors around here.

1220
01:01:19,035 --> 01:01:22,885
Last week a small cohort of folks had the opportunity

1221
01:01:22,905 --> 01:01:25,925
to look at three campaigns.

1222
01:01:26,045 --> 01:01:28,645
I think Todd was probably the only board member there.

1223
01:01:31,395 --> 01:01:33,885
Options that the marketing team had put together

1224
01:01:35,105 --> 01:01:36,325
and to give some feedback

1225
01:01:36,545 --> 01:01:40,245
and we did give some pretty direct feedback that was linked

1226
01:01:40,385 --> 01:01:42,485
to some documents the board got.

1227
01:01:44,185 --> 01:01:48,525
And later the next day, August 21st, Michelle

1228
01:01:48,545 --> 01:01:51,685
and I received a, like the media plan

1229
01:01:53,465 --> 01:01:54,885
in the original agreement.

1230
01:01:54,995 --> 01:01:56,965
There's, I have a couple of concerns,

1231
01:01:58,175 --> 01:02:00,195
but one of which is that they've decided

1232
01:02:00,195 --> 01:02:01,955
to take away a direct mailer.

1233
01:02:02,215 --> 01:02:04,155
And I think that our, I wanted

1234
01:02:04,155 --> 01:02:05,155
to get feedback from the board

1235
01:02:05,155 --> 01:02:07,755
because I feel like our communities expect

1236
01:02:07,775 --> 01:02:08,915
our budget postcard.

1237
01:02:09,575 --> 01:02:14,395
And so not doing that for a bond vote worries me

1238
01:02:14,395 --> 01:02:16,715
that people will be expecting it and they won't get it.

1239
01:02:18,875 --> 01:02:22,525
I wonder if I should just present the media piece

1240
01:02:22,525 --> 01:02:24,485
that they asked us for feedback on

1241
01:02:26,315 --> 01:02:27,395
Somebody in the packet online, right?

1242
01:02:28,755 --> 01:02:31,075
I think I sent it today. Yeah.

1243
01:02:31,415 --> 01:02:32,635
Be updated. Yeah.

1244
01:02:33,275 --> 01:02:35,435
Strongly recommended to direct mail or to constituents.

1245
01:02:36,585 --> 01:02:39,675
It's the most surefire way to hit everybody. Yeah,

1246
01:02:39,975 --> 01:02:40,975
People like it.

1247
01:02:41,125 --> 01:02:44,035
We've gotten the most feedback on our direct mailers than

1248
01:02:45,715 --> 01:02:47,755
anything that we, so there was a recommendation

1249
01:02:47,755 --> 01:02:50,795
that the majority of the majority of what they were going

1250
01:02:50,795 --> 01:02:52,235
to do would be through social media.

1251
01:02:52,455 --> 01:02:57,115
So we do, we did upgrade our Facebook to a paid Facebook

1252
01:02:57,135 --> 01:02:59,515
and we've upgraded all of our Instagrams

1253
01:02:59,515 --> 01:03:02,595
for every single program so that they're all linked to it so

1254
01:03:02,595 --> 01:03:07,155
that we can push out information on Instagram and Facebook

1255
01:03:07,615 --> 01:03:11,155
and so can our marketing team, they will do lawn signs

1256
01:03:11,335 --> 01:03:14,085
and brochures for

1257
01:03:14,815 --> 01:03:16,565
print purposes.

1258
01:03:16,585 --> 01:03:19,125
And the lawn signs and brochures are probably what's coming.

1259
01:03:19,215 --> 01:03:24,045
First. They propose some 32nd radio spots

1260
01:03:25,305 --> 01:03:26,605
on three channels.

1261
01:03:28,185 --> 01:03:29,525
So they are froggy

1262
01:03:31,605 --> 01:03:33,785
and Frank and one other.

1263
01:03:35,325 --> 01:03:36,965
DEV? No,

1264
01:03:37,505 --> 01:03:38,725
We said no, No,

1265
01:03:39,265 --> 01:03:40,265
No.

1266
01:03:40,265 --> 01:03:43,085
The point. No, no, we said no. Sorry.

1267
01:03:43,105 --> 01:03:45,485
Let me hold it Up at DEV. Okay. That's,

1268
01:03:46,145 --> 01:03:47,145
Oh, okay.

1269
01:03:47,145 --> 01:03:49,665
And, and you are searches for the

1270
01:03:49,665 --> 01:03:50,665
Record.

1271
01:03:50,665 --> 01:03:52,265
Memel is my name. Meyers Rome.

1272
01:03:52,735 --> 01:03:54,385
Okay, say that one more time.

1273
01:03:55,955 --> 01:04:00,625
Memel. M-E-R-M-E-L. Okay. First name Meyers. M-Y-E-R-S.

1274
01:04:01,935 --> 01:04:03,995
So froggy, Frank and the penguin.

1275
01:04:03,995 --> 01:04:06,715
And they did note that WDEB said no

1276
01:04:08,055 --> 01:04:12,635
and then placing ads in the times RES basically

1277
01:04:12,755 --> 01:04:16,595
every other week between our, our warning decision

1278
01:04:16,595 --> 01:04:17,995
that happened September 8th meeting

1279
01:04:18,175 --> 01:04:20,035
and up until the bond vote.

1280
01:04:22,575 --> 01:04:25,635
I'm curious about the statement about why they

1281
01:04:25,635 --> 01:04:26,755
didn't include direct mail.

1282
01:04:27,885 --> 01:04:30,955
While we love the impact of a well-designed mailer,

1283
01:04:31,055 --> 01:04:32,355
we have found other channels

1284
01:04:32,355 --> 01:04:35,435
to be much more efficient in reaching the right people.

1285
01:04:37,615 --> 01:04:38,635
And yeah, I just,

1286
01:04:41,295 --> 01:04:44,475
So we have to provide feedback to them by the 30th

1287
01:04:44,615 --> 01:04:47,595
and I'm happy to do it actually by tomorrow, but,

1288
01:04:48,135 --> 01:04:51,235
and that's one where I feel like that was part

1289
01:04:51,235 --> 01:04:52,955
of our agreement with 'em, is

1290
01:04:52,955 --> 01:04:54,115
that there would be a direct mailing

1291
01:04:54,115 --> 01:04:55,235
and that we have to hold them to that.

1292
01:04:56,505 --> 01:04:57,995
Yeah, I would push back on that

1293
01:04:58,375 --> 01:05:02,915
and ask if, if they have any, like to provide some sort

1294
01:05:02,915 --> 01:05:06,115
of rationale evidence support for those, for that statement.

1295
01:05:06,435 --> 01:05:07,435
'cause

1296
01:05:08,015 --> 01:05:11,035
And of the three campaigns, the strongest one was honestly

1297
01:05:11,845 --> 01:05:14,875
based on education networks, which is our tagline

1298
01:05:15,015 --> 01:05:19,485
and which they actually created all of our, our tagline

1299
01:05:19,625 --> 01:05:23,085
and our, what am I talking about?

1300
01:05:23,185 --> 01:05:26,805
The images? Logo. Logo. Logo, thank you. Several years ago.

1301
01:05:26,945 --> 01:05:29,845
So it's not anything new that they're providing in this,

1302
01:05:30,075 --> 01:05:32,445
it's building off of what they had created before.

1303
01:05:33,995 --> 01:05:38,325
Jody, can you explain a little bit on the, the notes

1304
01:05:38,325 --> 01:05:40,125
that you have on that, that sheet

1305
01:05:41,185 --> 01:05:44,005
and this idea that a lot of this stuff That's

1306
01:05:46,075 --> 01:05:48,645
whether it's we're doing it, they're doing it.

1307
01:05:51,275 --> 01:05:55,045
Yeah. So I shared with the board

1308
01:05:55,675 --> 01:05:58,845
just a spreadsheet of here's what was in our contract,

1309
01:05:59,785 --> 01:06:02,805
here's what we've gotten so far as far as the deliverables

1310
01:06:02,805 --> 01:06:04,205
and the date that we received it.

1311
01:06:04,705 --> 01:06:07,765
And then a few concerns just,

1312
01:06:08,685 --> 01:06:10,405
I think this is their first bond vote.

1313
01:06:10,665 --> 01:06:13,565
And so helping them to realize what we can

1314
01:06:13,585 --> 01:06:17,085
and can't say, we can't put line on signs out to say,

1315
01:06:17,085 --> 01:06:19,325
vote yes, we can say please vote.

1316
01:06:21,665 --> 01:06:23,525
So, you know, those sort of nuances

1317
01:06:23,525 --> 01:06:24,565
that we've been working through.

1318
01:06:25,655 --> 01:06:28,365
There was at one point a time when Michelle reached out

1319
01:06:28,365 --> 01:06:30,445
to have a meeting with 'em 'cause we were concerned about

1320
01:06:30,445 --> 01:06:33,205
our timeline and we weren't seeing anything yet

1321
01:06:33,505 --> 01:06:35,085
and we were declined that meeting.

1322
01:06:37,195 --> 01:06:40,965
There's a lot of phrasing in the first, the three campaigns

1323
01:06:40,965 --> 01:06:43,685
that they offered us that ha have some negative statements

1324
01:06:43,755 --> 01:06:45,405
like education can't wait

1325
01:06:46,225 --> 01:06:50,605
or were, were out of capacity in the space.

1326
01:06:51,025 --> 01:06:52,245
Not outta Hope. Outta hope.

1327
01:06:52,255 --> 01:06:54,765
Which didn't land well for anyone on the committee

1328
01:06:54,795 --> 01:06:57,245
that heard that one, honestly.

1329
01:06:57,265 --> 01:06:59,085
And we're like, that's no, that's not,

1330
01:06:59,515 --> 01:07:01,965
that doesn't feel right for us ourselves against Hope.

1331
01:07:02,415 --> 01:07:05,805
Right? And so what I can say is nobody was afraid to share

1332
01:07:06,075 --> 01:07:08,605
that these, this did not resonate with us.

1333
01:07:08,665 --> 01:07:11,765
And that the education networks really was the best option

1334
01:07:11,865 --> 01:07:13,445
so far that they had been working with.

1335
01:07:13,825 --> 01:07:15,925
And they understood that and they took those notes

1336
01:07:15,925 --> 01:07:17,045
and they got that feedback.

1337
01:07:17,425 --> 01:07:19,605
So I feel like we're going to see that shift.

1338
01:07:20,185 --> 01:07:23,205
It was just, it, it feels like we have a short timeline

1339
01:07:23,225 --> 01:07:25,445
and it's not happening as fast as we would like it to.

1340
01:07:25,825 --> 01:07:28,485
And it's not looking as beautiful

1341
01:07:28,485 --> 01:07:29,885
as I would hope right away.

1342
01:07:31,065 --> 01:07:34,085
We have been collecting information about key stakeholders

1343
01:07:34,305 --> 01:07:36,605
and Yara, you're on the phone, thank you so much

1344
01:07:36,705 --> 01:07:38,885
for your willingness to be interviewed.

1345
01:07:39,305 --> 01:07:42,165
Should they reach out to some of our alumni.

1346
01:07:43,425 --> 01:07:44,805
And that's a hope that we have.

1347
01:07:44,805 --> 01:07:47,325
And we're using those stakeholders with our other consultant

1348
01:07:47,425 --> 01:07:49,885
for our comprehensive local needs as assessment as well.

1349
01:07:50,585 --> 01:07:54,045
And we're currently, you'll see in this week, we'll

1350
01:07:54,045 --> 01:07:55,685
that we're reaching out asking alumni

1351
01:07:55,745 --> 01:07:58,085
and parents, if you are willing to be interviewed for part

1352
01:07:58,085 --> 01:08:01,845
of this process to talk about why you might support this

1353
01:08:01,985 --> 01:08:06,565
or why CBCC for your kiddo, or how, how our education works.

1354
01:08:07,185 --> 01:08:10,125
That's, those are people who are hoping that we'll volunteer

1355
01:08:10,125 --> 01:08:12,205
and let us know so that they can be interviewed

1356
01:08:12,225 --> 01:08:14,125
by both sets of consultants.

1357
01:08:15,015 --> 01:08:16,285
We're wondering about the world.

1358
01:08:16,525 --> 01:08:19,805
A lot of people, as I think Todd wrote to me earlier today,

1359
01:08:19,955 --> 01:08:21,805
lots of people read it just for the obituaries.

1360
01:08:21,905 --> 01:08:24,205
But we might be in there

1361
01:08:24,385 --> 01:08:27,125
and be able to get some, we do some advertisements in there.

1362
01:08:27,145 --> 01:08:28,525
Why wasn't the world mentioned?

1363
01:08:28,985 --> 01:08:31,485
Is Vermont Digger someplace that we're gonna reach out to?

1364
01:08:31,545 --> 01:08:34,165
Is WCAX someplace we're gonna reach out to?

1365
01:08:34,625 --> 01:08:37,445
Our videography class is gonna be doing a podcasting unit.

1366
01:08:37,445 --> 01:08:40,165
They're wanting to do some of this work too

1367
01:08:40,225 --> 01:08:42,445
and see how they can share stories.

1368
01:08:44,505 --> 01:08:46,925
One of our teachers said, what about a lobbyist?

1369
01:08:47,065 --> 01:08:49,885
And I know Myers, you're here to talk about

1370
01:08:50,435 --> 01:08:53,405
what you're thinking we might need, which is different than

1371
01:08:53,405 --> 01:08:54,685
what we've been presented with.

1372
01:08:55,305 --> 01:08:58,365
And so I just wanted the board to have a conversation about

1373
01:08:58,475 --> 01:09:01,805
what are, what are our expectations for this marketing team?

1374
01:09:02,585 --> 01:09:05,645
And we set them and hold 'em to them.

1375
01:09:05,865 --> 01:09:08,885
Or at what point if we feel like they're not making those

1376
01:09:10,325 --> 01:09:13,085
expectations happen, what do we wanna do about that?

1377
01:09:14,655 --> 01:09:15,925
Jenna question?

1378
01:09:16,155 --> 01:09:19,245
Yeah. Yeah. I just was wondering if everybody had posted

1379
01:09:19,545 --> 01:09:20,965
on Front Porch Forum.

1380
01:09:21,285 --> 01:09:23,565
I haven't gotten any feedback from my post,

1381
01:09:24,105 --> 01:09:26,285
but I was just wondering if, I mean,

1382
01:09:26,285 --> 01:09:27,725
that seemed like a good vehicle,

1383
01:09:28,185 --> 01:09:31,085
but it seems like until the bond comes up

1384
01:09:31,475 --> 01:09:33,085
that it's a one shot thing.

1385
01:09:33,415 --> 01:09:34,845
Until now we have to wait.

1386
01:09:35,285 --> 01:09:38,485
I don't think we can keep posting the same kind of thing.

1387
01:09:39,385 --> 01:09:42,005
And now we have to wait and remind people to vote.

1388
01:09:43,305 --> 01:09:45,445
Yes, they'll be including some op-eds

1389
01:09:45,965 --> 01:09:47,405
that was part of their plan as well.

1390
01:09:48,305 --> 01:09:49,925
But as you know, that's that one

1391
01:09:49,925 --> 01:09:51,725
that I asked you to post I created.

1392
01:09:52,495 --> 01:09:53,925
Right. No, that was good.

1393
01:09:54,685 --> 01:09:58,485
I put my name to it so that they could see it was local.

1394
01:09:58,865 --> 01:10:00,685
But the other thing is,

1395
01:10:03,995 --> 01:10:05,205
well, since I just forgot

1396
01:10:05,205 --> 01:10:07,885
what I was gonna say, just forget it.

1397
01:10:08,065 --> 01:10:10,165
So I'll just go away.

1398
01:10:12,215 --> 01:10:13,965
Don't go away, guy.

1399
01:10:16,165 --> 01:10:17,405
Yeah, a co a couple things.

1400
01:10:18,225 --> 01:10:20,125
Follow up on the direct mail stuff.

1401
01:10:20,225 --> 01:10:22,125
I'm, I'm of two minds

1402
01:10:23,625 --> 01:10:25,325
and David, don't take offense to this

1403
01:10:25,525 --> 01:10:29,485
'cause it's not your fault, but I get my newspaper in the

1404
01:10:29,485 --> 01:10:31,925
mail and I still haven't gotten my weekend newspaper

1405
01:10:32,825 --> 01:10:36,805
and it's gonna be easy probably by the time I get it.

1406
01:10:36,905 --> 01:10:40,285
So, but having heard some of the

1407
01:10:41,485 --> 01:10:45,245
testimony tonight based on, you know, who some

1408
01:10:45,245 --> 01:10:50,165
of the voters are, there are not a lot of, of people

1409
01:10:50,305 --> 01:10:51,325
who are elderly

1410
01:10:51,785 --> 01:10:56,085
and on fixed incomes who necessarily follow social media.

1411
01:10:56,305 --> 01:10:58,045
So I've got a little bit of concern about that,

1412
01:11:00,225 --> 01:11:02,365
but I also know that direct mail is,

1413
01:11:02,385 --> 01:11:03,605
you know, can be expensive.

1414
01:11:04,905 --> 01:11:07,885
The other thing I wanted to second is, you know,

1415
01:11:07,885 --> 01:11:09,725
certainly the Washington world is,

1416
01:11:10,605 --> 01:11:11,965
I think a lot of people pick it up.

1417
01:11:12,235 --> 01:11:15,685
It's a freebie. And I also wonder about the

1418
01:11:15,685 --> 01:11:16,845
Waterbury Roundabout.

1419
01:11:17,025 --> 01:11:20,565
And I think it's an area where, you know,

1420
01:11:20,565 --> 01:11:23,045
perhaps doesn't get reached by, you know, some

1421
01:11:23,045 --> 01:11:24,565
of the other newspapers.

1422
01:11:25,425 --> 01:11:28,765
And quite frankly, I think they were the only ones

1423
01:11:28,765 --> 01:11:32,765
that appeared at, at some of the presentations that we did.

1424
01:11:32,985 --> 01:11:35,485
So I certainly would give them a shot.

1425
01:11:35,545 --> 01:11:39,725
And the last thing I would say, even though WDV has has

1426
01:11:40,415 --> 01:11:43,685
stand us down or you know, is not interested in advertising

1427
01:11:43,685 --> 01:11:47,405
or they're too expensive, they do have the Vermont Viewpoint

1428
01:11:48,315 --> 01:11:51,325
Show where we could, you know,

1429
01:11:51,325 --> 01:11:53,605
strategically get an interview on.

1430
01:11:54,145 --> 01:11:59,085
And I'm more than happy to, you know, to contact, you know,

1431
01:11:59,085 --> 01:12:02,445
certain people to, you know, to get Jody

1432
01:12:02,665 --> 01:12:05,045
or you know, somebody else on to, you know,

1433
01:12:05,045 --> 01:12:06,085
talk about the project.

1434
01:12:08,245 --> 01:12:09,725
I think that's a great opening. Yeah.

1435
01:12:10,615 --> 01:12:12,285
Let's just go to Lyman and then we'll go to

1436
01:12:12,285 --> 01:12:13,285
Mr.

1437
01:12:13,285 --> 01:12:13,605
Mayor. Just really quickly,

1438
01:12:13,745 --> 01:12:16,965
I'm wondering if we could put together just some very short

1439
01:12:17,865 --> 01:12:20,925
two or three sentence from porch forums,

1440
01:12:20,925 --> 01:12:23,205
because I don't read anything.

1441
01:12:23,555 --> 01:12:28,445
It's eight paragraphs along from anybody

1442
01:12:29,765 --> 01:12:33,245
I, I read because, because I should,

1443
01:12:33,345 --> 01:12:37,645
but I really think just some, let's hit 'em hard

1444
01:12:37,675 --> 01:12:39,405
with these little blurbs

1445
01:12:39,405 --> 01:12:41,165
that we've been talking about, I think would be great.

1446
01:12:42,515 --> 01:12:46,565
Alright, Mr. Burl, do you have a presentation or something

1447
01:12:46,565 --> 01:12:47,565
To say?

1448
01:12:47,565 --> 01:12:49,445
Well, just something to say actually. Okay.

1449
01:12:49,605 --> 01:12:52,645
I, so I'm the incoming owner at WDEV Radio Vermont.

1450
01:12:52,745 --> 01:12:56,485
So I'm taking over what a great man started at Ken Squire.

1451
01:12:57,145 --> 01:12:58,805
And we cover these 18 towns.

1452
01:12:58,985 --> 01:13:00,805
We were recently ranked by Nielsen as having,

1453
01:13:01,865 --> 01:13:05,365
as being number one across all age groups, 12 to 65

1454
01:13:05,365 --> 01:13:08,845
with WBB across all of central and northern Vermont.

1455
01:13:08,855 --> 01:13:13,085
We're 73% ahead of our next closest competitor.

1456
01:13:13,865 --> 01:13:16,445
So we're very, we have a very fortunate place

1457
01:13:16,445 --> 01:13:18,405
where we've earned the trust of Vermonters,

1458
01:13:18,745 --> 01:13:21,005
but we also, we hear a lot of things.

1459
01:13:21,665 --> 01:13:23,805
And so when I was approached by one of the,

1460
01:13:24,105 --> 01:13:27,085
the media brokers, I know you don't have any money to spend,

1461
01:13:27,185 --> 01:13:28,885
but I'm not here to ask for money.

1462
01:13:30,185 --> 01:13:33,965
I'm here to, I'm here to ask you to point me in a direction.

1463
01:13:33,965 --> 01:13:38,145
But let me tell you why. When I was first approached,

1464
01:13:38,145 --> 01:13:40,065
they said, well, why didn't you just do five days

1465
01:13:40,085 --> 01:13:41,865
of advertising for 10 days

1466
01:13:41,865 --> 01:13:43,505
of advertising right before the vote?

1467
01:13:43,845 --> 01:13:46,705
That's not enough. That's not even nearly enough.

1468
01:13:46,775 --> 01:13:48,665
This is gonna be the second highest bond vote

1469
01:13:49,325 --> 01:13:50,465
in the state of Vermont.

1470
01:13:50,725 --> 01:13:52,985
And your towns,

1471
01:13:53,245 --> 01:13:55,825
my my own eighth great grandfathers buried Perry.

1472
01:13:56,025 --> 01:13:58,465
I know these towns, right, they don't have a lot of money

1473
01:13:58,565 --> 01:14:01,025
to spend, but this is an investment to

1474
01:14:01,025 --> 01:14:02,465
to, to turn things around.

1475
01:14:02,625 --> 01:14:05,985
I wish Mr. Malone had stayed. Everything he said was right.

1476
01:14:06,885 --> 01:14:08,625
People don't wanna make those decisions.

1477
01:14:08,625 --> 01:14:10,345
But here's an, here's a chance

1478
01:14:10,365 --> 01:14:12,205
to make an investment in these attempts

1479
01:14:12,465 --> 01:14:15,485
to keep people together, to keep their families together,

1480
01:14:15,945 --> 01:14:18,405
to provide jobs for their own children.

1481
01:14:18,995 --> 01:14:21,925
That will turn the demographics around that alone.

1482
01:14:22,235 --> 01:14:23,885
This is probably one of the most important,

1483
01:14:23,885 --> 01:14:25,245
if not the most important project

1484
01:14:25,245 --> 01:14:27,445
that Vermont is considering today.

1485
01:14:27,995 --> 01:14:31,045
This is a construct of project, not a destructive project.

1486
01:14:31,395 --> 01:14:35,325
Look at energy, healthcare, public safety,

1487
01:14:35,515 --> 01:14:36,645
none of those things are working.

1488
01:14:36,705 --> 01:14:38,845
Here's an opportunity to actually turn something around.

1489
01:14:39,385 --> 01:14:41,485
So we're, we're very much in favor of this.

1490
01:14:41,665 --> 01:14:45,045
We, we typically don't, don't get behind public project,

1491
01:14:45,185 --> 01:14:46,805
but we want to get behind this one.

1492
01:14:46,955 --> 01:14:48,205
This is very important.

1493
01:14:48,625 --> 01:14:50,645
And our concern is, one of the things

1494
01:14:50,645 --> 01:14:53,685
that Mr. Malone mentioned is that if this project doesn't go

1495
01:14:53,685 --> 01:14:56,925
through November, that it's gonna be split into 15 different

1496
01:14:56,925 --> 01:15:00,365
pieces because the new education agenda

1497
01:15:00,785 --> 01:15:02,605
and that you're not gonna be able to consolidate people.

1498
01:15:02,605 --> 01:15:04,485
You're not gonna build a project that you want to build

1499
01:15:04,915 --> 01:15:08,685
that, that frankly our children deserve so

1500
01:15:08,685 --> 01:15:10,165
that they can stay here and work here.

1501
01:15:10,705 --> 01:15:15,605
AI is going to gut literally a lot, you know, 30 to 40%

1502
01:15:15,605 --> 01:15:16,685
of these college graduates.

1503
01:15:16,905 --> 01:15:19,645
But you can't, AI is not gonna replace somebody that comes

1504
01:15:19,645 --> 01:15:23,125
to your house to fix your plumbing or your HVAC

1505
01:15:23,465 --> 01:15:25,685
or drive the ambulance to come and get you.

1506
01:15:26,015 --> 01:15:27,245
These jobs are gonna stay.

1507
01:15:27,385 --> 01:15:31,485
And these are good paying jobs that, that will allow people

1508
01:15:31,545 --> 01:15:34,285
to build, build equity in homes and buy homes

1509
01:15:34,345 --> 01:15:35,605
and stay here, build families.

1510
01:15:35,625 --> 01:15:39,085
So in that regard, our thought was, you know,

1511
01:15:39,085 --> 01:15:41,805
there are 18 pounds and we were thinking of it more

1512
01:15:41,805 --> 01:15:43,045
as a political campaign.

1513
01:15:43,955 --> 01:15:48,085
John Rogers, you know, plumber hate took his first $40,000

1514
01:15:48,305 --> 01:15:51,765
and spent it in WDE and built up this huge grassroots base

1515
01:15:51,765 --> 01:15:53,005
because people listen to the radio.

1516
01:15:53,465 --> 01:15:55,885
We have an older population, they typically don't go

1517
01:15:55,885 --> 01:15:58,725
to digital, but we have a much better coverage of,

1518
01:15:59,785 --> 01:16:02,765
of the population than, than the small papers do.

1519
01:16:03,265 --> 01:16:05,725
So there's an opportunity sort of build grassroots support.

1520
01:16:05,785 --> 01:16:09,405
But as I, as I talked to Jody, it's not clear that

1521
01:16:09,405 --> 01:16:10,605
because you haven't had a lot

1522
01:16:10,605 --> 01:16:12,045
of public attendance at these meetings,

1523
01:16:12,345 --> 01:16:14,815
you don't really know what the public is thinking, right?

1524
01:16:14,835 --> 01:16:16,775
So I've talked to the elected representatives, they,

1525
01:16:16,775 --> 01:16:19,975
they're all negative, they're like, not gonna work, right?

1526
01:16:20,125 --> 01:16:22,615
It's too much money. We, you know, not now,

1527
01:16:23,195 --> 01:16:27,495
but what we thought might help would be a,

1528
01:16:27,855 --> 01:16:29,855
a very quick poll of these 18 pounds,

1529
01:16:30,325 --> 01:16:32,535
because it's not just money.

1530
01:16:32,735 --> 01:16:36,095
I think Vermonters are naturally fiscally conservative,

1531
01:16:36,475 --> 01:16:38,335
but they'll take risks, right?

1532
01:16:38,635 --> 01:16:40,535
And they'll do, they'll stand up

1533
01:16:40,535 --> 01:16:42,255
for the right And I think when they understand

1534
01:16:42,315 --> 01:16:46,015
how important this project is to the wellbeing

1535
01:16:46,035 --> 01:16:48,375
and the fiber of these towns, that they'll wanna support it.

1536
01:16:48,675 --> 01:16:50,815
But you need to find out where, where your votes are.

1537
01:16:51,095 --> 01:16:52,895
I mean, every yes vote regardless of

1538
01:16:52,895 --> 01:16:54,535
where it comes from helps, right?

1539
01:16:54,555 --> 01:16:55,855
So a poll would be able

1540
01:16:55,855 --> 01:16:58,575
to isolate likely voters within these 18,

1541
01:17:00,115 --> 01:17:01,335
within the 18 towns

1542
01:17:01,395 --> 01:17:04,495
and point you in a direction that with additional media,

1543
01:17:04,835 --> 01:17:07,895
and I mean very heavy advertising over the next two months,

1544
01:17:08,125 --> 01:17:09,845
that you might be in a position to overcome.

1545
01:17:10,305 --> 01:17:12,485
So I know that the board doesn't have the, the money

1546
01:17:12,505 --> 01:17:15,765
to fund this, but what I wanted to, what I'd asked Jody is,

1547
01:17:16,145 --> 01:17:17,645
you know, could you point in the direction

1548
01:17:17,645 --> 01:17:20,445
of your five biggest supporters, right?

1549
01:17:20,975 --> 01:17:22,885
We're willing to contribute as well.

1550
01:17:23,025 --> 01:17:25,005
We can't, we can't volunteer at all

1551
01:17:26,025 --> 01:17:28,645
and we certainly can't pay the pollsters,

1552
01:17:28,705 --> 01:17:32,325
but would it be possible for me to meet with your,

1553
01:17:32,665 --> 01:17:34,645
my biggest private company supporters?

1554
01:17:34,685 --> 01:17:36,885
I know private companies have want this thing to succeed

1555
01:17:37,155 --> 01:17:40,845
that will enjoy the, we will enjoy, like we will hire people

1556
01:17:40,905 --> 01:17:42,685
to come out of this, out of this project.

1557
01:17:43,385 --> 01:17:46,605
So would it be possible that I could talk to the,

1558
01:17:46,705 --> 01:17:48,685
the private companies that are supporting this project

1559
01:17:49,065 --> 01:17:51,925
and see if I could get support among them for something

1560
01:17:51,925 --> 01:17:54,525
that's a little bit more robust?

1561
01:17:55,285 --> 01:17:58,085
I I, I really think you need to hit it as hard as you can.

1562
01:17:58,085 --> 01:17:59,765
People are coming back from vacation.

1563
01:18:00,405 --> 01:18:02,205
I mean, they're gonna focus on, on the next 60 days.

1564
01:18:02,745 --> 01:18:04,085
And it may have start,

1565
01:18:04,185 --> 01:18:05,525
it may have should have started earlier,

1566
01:18:05,625 --> 01:18:06,645
but you've got 16 days.

1567
01:18:06,645 --> 01:18:09,525
It's not over yet. And so if you can really bear down

1568
01:18:09,905 --> 01:18:12,205
and I'm more than happy to help if you can point me in the

1569
01:18:12,205 --> 01:18:13,285
right direction for people to talk to.

1570
01:18:13,445 --> 01:18:15,325
I know I'm not alone. So

1571
01:18:15,325 --> 01:18:17,005
that's why I'm here to, to ask the board.

1572
01:18:20,015 --> 01:18:21,355
Mr. Coleman, you have a question.

1573
01:18:24,655 --> 01:18:27,105
Well, thank you very much. I see Guy had his hand up

1574
01:18:27,365 --> 01:18:29,025
as well, but I'll, I'll take this.

1575
01:18:29,825 --> 01:18:32,425
I did attend the marketing meeting with Jody and others.

1576
01:18:32,785 --> 01:18:36,425
Michelle was there. And so I just wanted to reinforce some

1577
01:18:36,425 --> 01:18:39,905
of her concerns about this marketing firm.

1578
01:18:39,965 --> 01:18:41,105
And I know this is public

1579
01:18:41,105 --> 01:18:43,865
and I'm gonna be as gentle as I can,

1580
01:18:43,925 --> 01:18:47,705
but I don't feel like there was an urgency on the,

1581
01:18:48,815 --> 01:18:50,665
from the people at the marketing firm

1582
01:18:50,975 --> 01:18:54,185
because as this gentleman from WDEV,

1583
01:18:54,365 --> 01:18:55,425
I'm sorry I didn't get your name.

1584
01:18:56,065 --> 01:18:58,265
I just pointed out we don't have that much time.

1585
01:18:58,265 --> 01:18:59,465
There's a lot of urgency

1586
01:19:00,365 --> 01:19:03,865
and I felt like they hadn't really even done their homework.

1587
01:19:04,905 --> 01:19:06,665
Of course they hadn't mentioned the world,

1588
01:19:06,665 --> 01:19:07,785
they hadn't mentioned some

1589
01:19:07,785 --> 01:19:11,905
of our local papers like the bridge, any of these sources.

1590
01:19:12,225 --> 01:19:13,745
I know they reached out to DEV

1591
01:19:13,805 --> 01:19:16,425
and they didn't feel like they got a warm reception.

1592
01:19:16,605 --> 01:19:21,425
But again, the creativity

1593
01:19:21,425 --> 01:19:23,865
that they were putting forth, as Jody pointed out,

1594
01:19:24,365 --> 01:19:25,385
was also very limited.

1595
01:19:25,605 --> 01:19:27,385
It was based on what they've done in the past.

1596
01:19:28,365 --> 01:19:31,705
Not much real thought, I think was put into the,

1597
01:19:32,925 --> 01:19:36,865
the taglines they came up with and the, the media messages

1598
01:19:37,685 --> 01:19:41,705
and they kept going back to the survey that they created

1599
01:19:41,765 --> 01:19:42,785
and presented to us.

1600
01:19:42,975 --> 01:19:45,865
Well I think that survey was very simplistic.

1601
01:19:47,335 --> 01:19:50,185
They've probably used versions of it in the past

1602
01:19:50,285 --> 01:19:52,345
and the sample size was very limited.

1603
01:19:52,565 --> 01:19:56,225
So I had some great

1604
01:19:56,835 --> 01:19:58,465
about this firm.

1605
01:19:58,685 --> 01:20:01,905
And so moving forward, I think if we do wanna continue

1606
01:20:01,905 --> 01:20:05,305
with it, we need to give them very specific direction.

1607
01:20:05,965 --> 01:20:08,565
And I think Jody mentioned many things.

1608
01:20:08,835 --> 01:20:11,845
This board has brainstormed some great tactics

1609
01:20:12,275 --> 01:20:13,365
already tonight.

1610
01:20:13,905 --> 01:20:16,565
And I think those specific directions need to be

1611
01:20:18,575 --> 01:20:21,165
given to the, to the directors there.

1612
01:20:21,845 --> 01:20:24,645
I also wanna reiterate the, what

1613
01:20:25,245 --> 01:20:27,165
I mentioned about mailers.

1614
01:20:29,005 --> 01:20:31,845
I reached out to my good friend, my former student

1615
01:20:32,025 --> 01:20:33,565
who was the director of tourism

1616
01:20:33,705 --> 01:20:35,285
and marketing for the state of Vermont

1617
01:20:35,285 --> 01:20:36,325
through three governors.

1618
01:20:36,815 --> 01:20:39,245
Steve Cook, he just got back to me.

1619
01:20:39,245 --> 01:20:42,005
Three of his children have gone through the career centers.

1620
01:20:42,795 --> 01:20:44,405
He's a big support of that.

1621
01:20:45,265 --> 01:20:46,445
And he said

1622
01:20:46,445 --> 01:20:50,005
that he thinks mailers are a really important tool.

1623
01:20:50,805 --> 01:20:53,725
I do too because I think they get to people's mailboxes.

1624
01:20:54,425 --> 01:20:56,965
People like to get mail, they keep it on their tables.

1625
01:20:56,965 --> 01:20:59,245
They might read it several times. They'll think about it.

1626
01:20:59,585 --> 01:21:01,325
You put a URL on there

1627
01:21:01,825 --> 01:21:04,245
and maybe not just one mailer, but maybe several.

1628
01:21:04,525 --> 01:21:05,525
I know it's expensive,

1629
01:21:06,065 --> 01:21:09,405
but we need to be in front of the public consistently.

1630
01:21:11,165 --> 01:21:14,685
I think the gentleman from DEV made a very important point.

1631
01:21:14,685 --> 01:21:16,645
And I was thinking about this when

1632
01:21:19,385 --> 01:21:23,205
the gentleman was talking about Mr. Malone was talking,

1633
01:21:24,065 --> 01:21:26,525
we need to invest in the future here in Vermont,

1634
01:21:26,655 --> 01:21:27,885
we're very stagnant.

1635
01:21:28,025 --> 01:21:30,805
People know that we're at a crossroads.

1636
01:21:31,585 --> 01:21:33,165
We know young people aren't staying.

1637
01:21:33,235 --> 01:21:35,085
Perhaps if we invest in our future,

1638
01:21:35,235 --> 01:21:39,885
like this beautiful center, it will attract more families

1639
01:21:40,705 --> 01:21:43,005
to come here and help our tax base.

1640
01:21:43,145 --> 01:21:47,165
So we can't stay still. We have to move forward with this.

1641
01:21:47,745 --> 01:21:49,445
And we have to look at it as very

1642
01:21:50,205 --> 01:21:53,245
positive about the polling.

1643
01:21:53,275 --> 01:21:55,245
Just just a comment about polling.

1644
01:21:55,445 --> 01:21:56,845
I don't know a lot about it, but I know

1645
01:21:56,845 --> 01:21:58,565
that it's small sample sizes

1646
01:21:59,065 --> 01:22:00,525
and you can't predict the outcome.

1647
01:22:00,835 --> 01:22:05,285
Typically with a poll we'll know who's against it,

1648
01:22:05,945 --> 01:22:09,845
but we have to assume that people could be sprayed.

1649
01:22:09,845 --> 01:22:12,005
And so with our, a good marketing campaign

1650
01:22:12,505 --> 01:22:15,085
and effective tactics, not efficient,

1651
01:22:15,435 --> 01:22:17,725
like maybe social media is efficient,

1652
01:22:18,385 --> 01:22:19,885
but it's not always effective

1653
01:22:19,885 --> 01:22:23,565
because as people have pointed out, it's difficult to reach

1654
01:22:25,745 --> 01:22:27,885
who live in rural areas through social media.

1655
01:22:28,435 --> 01:22:30,965
Sure, some of them may use Facebook marketplace

1656
01:22:30,965 --> 01:22:33,845
to buy their backhoes or their tractors or whatever,

1657
01:22:33,945 --> 01:22:36,925
but are they really gonna see something about

1658
01:22:37,985 --> 01:22:39,445
the career center on Facebook?

1659
01:22:39,685 --> 01:22:41,405
I don't, I don't know. I don't think so.

1660
01:22:41,735 --> 01:22:43,565
Maybe just because I'm old fashioned.

1661
01:22:44,505 --> 01:22:46,165
So I guess my message is,

1662
01:22:46,325 --> 01:22:48,125
I was concerned about this marketing team

1663
01:22:49,315 --> 01:22:51,005
presentations we've seen from them.

1664
01:22:51,685 --> 01:22:55,765
I think we need to empower Jody to be very forward with

1665
01:22:55,765 --> 01:22:57,805
that team and make some specific

1666
01:23:04,395 --> 01:23:06,965
ourselves lawn signs.

1667
01:23:07,245 --> 01:23:08,805
I don't know how effective they're gonna be,

1668
01:23:09,265 --> 01:23:12,525
but we could go to a printer and have lawn signs made.

1669
01:23:13,025 --> 01:23:14,685
So I just wanna throw all that out.

1670
01:23:14,685 --> 01:23:19,485
And that's just my, my take on this at this point.

1671
01:23:19,865 --> 01:23:22,165
I'm happy to answer any questions if anybody has any

1672
01:23:26,545 --> 01:23:28,805
Guy, do you need to add to anything?

1673
01:23:33,605 --> 01:23:34,985
The news guy? I just wanna say,

1674
01:23:35,425 --> 01:23:37,145
I just wanna say have me a hello.

1675
01:23:40,505 --> 01:23:41,825
I would just, I would just add

1676
01:23:41,855 --> 01:23:44,465
that there's no comment section for people

1677
01:23:44,465 --> 01:23:45,745
to argue with on a mailer.

1678
01:23:54,975 --> 01:23:59,025
Alright, so we're looking at

1679
01:23:59,815 --> 01:24:04,105
drawing up specific actions for this marketing team

1680
01:24:04,565 --> 01:24:09,065
and who will be responsible for delivering

1681
01:24:09,065 --> 01:24:14,025
that message to the, our marketing team.

1682
01:24:14,295 --> 01:24:15,785
Correct? Yes.

1683
01:24:17,085 --> 01:24:19,185
So let's start with

1684
01:24:21,335 --> 01:24:24,625
talking about some specific actions first.

1685
01:24:27,285 --> 01:24:31,505
Anyone have some? So it, it appears that we seem

1686
01:24:31,505 --> 01:24:32,545
to be in

1687
01:24:35,835 --> 01:24:39,465
acceptance of the fact that we need to have a mailer.

1688
01:24:41,325 --> 01:24:42,385
Anyone have any? Okay.

1689
01:24:42,525 --> 01:24:45,965
So we'll make sure that they, we know

1690
01:24:45,965 --> 01:24:47,765
that that a mailer

1691
01:24:48,985 --> 01:24:52,245
One point that was brought up by Mr. Malone, which,

1692
01:24:52,425 --> 01:24:54,445
you know, of course I don't want to,

1693
01:24:55,365 --> 01:24:57,085
I don't want be in a position where I'm trying

1694
01:24:57,085 --> 01:24:59,885
to rebut against people who are offering their opinion

1695
01:24:59,885 --> 01:25:00,885
and public testimony.

1696
01:25:00,945 --> 01:25:04,565
But I would offer that this comes up on every single job.

1697
01:25:04,565 --> 01:25:06,645
There's always at least one person that says,

1698
01:25:06,645 --> 01:25:08,725
but all the people on fixed income, they can't afford it.

1699
01:25:08,945 --> 01:25:12,045
And this is one reason to perhaps drill down a little bit on

1700
01:25:12,105 --> 01:25:14,405
the income sensitivity question.

1701
01:25:14,715 --> 01:25:15,885
Because people

1702
01:25:15,985 --> 01:25:19,365
who have on a fixed income are generally on the low end

1703
01:25:19,705 --> 01:25:21,125
of the income spectrum.

1704
01:25:21,745 --> 01:25:25,165
And they generally have a lot of relief from these kinds

1705
01:25:25,165 --> 01:25:26,205
of tax increases

1706
01:25:26,515 --> 01:25:29,365
because of tax income sensitivity in Vermont.

1707
01:25:29,785 --> 01:25:31,365
So it's one of these things that's kind of like,

1708
01:25:31,845 --> 01:25:33,285
I don't know, I don't necessarily know how to answer

1709
01:25:33,285 --> 01:25:36,085
that question because I can't give strict facts and figures

1710
01:25:36,265 --> 01:25:38,725
and I don't want to be accused of being wrong

1711
01:25:38,785 --> 01:25:40,245
or having rose colored glasses.

1712
01:25:40,985 --> 01:25:44,005
But I know in other projects they have calculated that

1713
01:25:44,105 --> 01:25:46,085
and that threshold is actually fairly high.

1714
01:25:46,115 --> 01:25:48,045
It's well above what most people are getting

1715
01:25:48,425 --> 01:25:49,565
for likes social security

1716
01:25:49,585 --> 01:25:50,725
and even if they have decent pension.

1717
01:25:52,515 --> 01:25:54,735
So that's, and I don't know if that's something

1718
01:25:54,735 --> 01:25:55,935
that can be explored in the future

1719
01:25:55,995 --> 01:25:58,015
or if that's just a talking point that you give,

1720
01:25:58,015 --> 01:26:00,575
that you have with people who have that concern.

1721
01:26:01,005 --> 01:26:04,605
Because without saying, oh hey, you know, if you're,

1722
01:26:04,665 --> 01:26:07,045
you make less than this, your tax impact is

1723
01:26:07,045 --> 01:26:08,165
zero Short of that.

1724
01:26:08,285 --> 01:26:10,925
I think you just have to sort of make them feel comfortable

1725
01:26:10,925 --> 01:26:12,525
that the tax impact will be mitigated

1726
01:26:12,545 --> 01:26:14,565
by income sensitivity for low income people.

1727
01:26:18,635 --> 01:26:20,975
And then how, just as a question, a follow up question.

1728
01:26:22,915 --> 01:26:26,575
The business people though, they certainly are going

1729
01:26:26,575 --> 01:26:31,375
to have some kind of a concern about this.

1730
01:26:33,695 --> 01:26:36,315
We would need to say something to them as well.

1731
01:26:36,515 --> 01:26:38,235
I landlords and,

1732
01:26:38,255 --> 01:26:41,115
and what, when you start talking about individuals

1733
01:26:41,175 --> 01:26:45,515
who are landlords, that that affects the tenants

1734
01:26:45,985 --> 01:26:47,635
because the rent goes up.

1735
01:26:48,135 --> 01:26:49,355
So that's all.

1736
01:26:50,415 --> 01:26:52,795
And I say this from the, the perspective

1737
01:26:52,815 --> 01:26:55,315
of having been on the berry board for so many years

1738
01:26:55,315 --> 01:26:57,475
that I have seen the ease

1739
01:26:57,625 --> 01:27:00,075
with which some budgets were pla passed

1740
01:27:00,495 --> 01:27:03,115
and the stress with, with others.

1741
01:27:04,375 --> 01:27:06,595
So, and, and those were our

1742
01:27:08,035 --> 01:27:12,155
biggest challenges was making it clear to tenants

1743
01:27:12,335 --> 01:27:15,675
and landlords and business people that commercial operators.

1744
01:27:16,515 --> 01:27:18,275
I just realized it's probably not clear why I brought

1745
01:27:18,275 --> 01:27:21,435
that up, but it was, I was thinking ahead about maybe it's

1746
01:27:21,435 --> 01:27:23,315
not even, maybe it's not just one mailer,

1747
01:27:23,925 --> 01:27:26,595
especially if you're thinking that a mailer is the best way

1748
01:27:26,595 --> 01:27:29,315
to reach people who, again, I don't know if,

1749
01:27:29,415 --> 01:27:31,835
if the stereotype of, you know, people

1750
01:27:31,835 --> 01:27:34,875
who are older aren't on social media, I find that a lot

1751
01:27:34,875 --> 01:27:39,715
of them are, but do, do you want

1752
01:27:39,715 --> 01:27:41,595
to craft mailers for specific people

1753
01:27:41,595 --> 01:27:42,755
or with specific information?

1754
01:27:42,995 --> 01:27:45,835
'cause the mailers also have to be very concise

1755
01:27:46,295 --> 01:27:48,395
or else they won't be reviewed.

1756
01:27:49,895 --> 01:27:52,795
So that's, you have to be good to be pick picky and choosey.

1757
01:27:53,175 --> 01:27:56,835
And of course we can help counsel on

1758
01:27:57,025 --> 01:28:00,715
what we've seen in other districts that has helped

1759
01:28:03,735 --> 01:28:05,595
It is the big cost of the mailer.

1760
01:28:06,095 --> 01:28:08,875
The postage or the printing.

1761
01:28:09,135 --> 01:28:10,315
The printing and post the printing.

1762
01:28:10,415 --> 01:28:14,075
And yes, for the large mailer there's a significant

1763
01:28:14,515 --> 01:28:15,555
reduction in postage.

1764
01:28:22,015 --> 01:28:26,075
Can we afford it? Double that?

1765
01:28:28,575 --> 01:28:31,315
Can we afford two? Can we afford two mailings,

1766
01:28:35,005 --> 01:28:36,005
Jenna?

1767
01:28:36,005 --> 01:28:38,275
It depends on how we're spending the rest of our money.

1768
01:28:38,615 --> 01:28:41,755
So if we may be asking them to shift

1769
01:28:42,295 --> 01:28:44,275
how we're, what we're funding. So,

1770
01:28:44,665 --> 01:28:47,555
Okay, so like we can do it in the middle and then just

1771
01:28:47,555 --> 01:28:48,675
before the bond vote.

1772
01:28:49,825 --> 01:28:52,395
Well, no, but you can't do it just before

1773
01:28:52,395 --> 01:28:55,475
because it won't actually get to people until after.

1774
01:28:55,975 --> 01:28:58,355
No, I mean before. Before. Just before.

1775
01:28:59,335 --> 01:29:03,525
Yep. And also I think lawn signs,

1776
01:29:03,725 --> 01:29:05,405
I don't think we should poo PPO lawn signs.

1777
01:29:05,785 --> 01:29:07,525
Do we have the capacity to print?

1778
01:29:10,185 --> 01:29:14,405
Yes. So we, so that doesn't cost us anything.

1779
01:29:18,665 --> 01:29:20,765
It doesn't cost as much as if someone else does it.

1780
01:29:21,295 --> 01:29:24,125
Right. I think we should print long signs too.

1781
01:29:25,115 --> 01:29:26,285
Okay. Patrick,

1782
01:29:28,305 --> 01:29:30,405
I'm concerned that we're, we're second

1783
01:29:30,405 --> 01:29:31,565
guessing our contractor.

1784
01:29:31,995 --> 01:29:34,645
Yeah. And if we're, if we're, if we're,

1785
01:29:34,645 --> 01:29:36,125
if we think we know better,

1786
01:29:36,225 --> 01:29:37,165
if we don't think they're doing a

1787
01:29:37,165 --> 01:29:38,205
good job, we get a new one.

1788
01:29:40,095 --> 01:29:43,155
Do we have time to do that? We have other bids

1789
01:29:43,155 --> 01:29:45,355
that we looked over.

1790
01:29:45,535 --> 01:29:46,955
Do we have time to switch?

1791
01:29:47,515 --> 01:29:49,035
I would not suggest switching.

1792
01:29:49,815 --> 01:29:53,675
If we choose to terminate this contract, we would continue

1793
01:29:53,905 --> 01:29:58,495
with what we think that we should have done it.

1794
01:30:00,125 --> 01:30:01,775
What they're offering right now is no different

1795
01:30:01,775 --> 01:30:02,815
than what we will have done.

1796
01:30:02,885 --> 01:30:06,535
What we were hoping for was some out of the box awesome idea

1797
01:30:06,535 --> 01:30:08,895
that we're like, oh duh, we never thought of that before.

1798
01:30:09,265 --> 01:30:11,815
We've thought about Facebook ads, we've thought about print,

1799
01:30:12,465 --> 01:30:14,455
we've been thinking about these, the mailers.

1800
01:30:14,825 --> 01:30:17,055
We've done this in the past, we know how to do it.

1801
01:30:17,115 --> 01:30:19,175
We were hoping for something above and beyond

1802
01:30:19,235 --> 01:30:22,535
and something that just hit every nail in the head.

1803
01:30:23,595 --> 01:30:27,895
Not that we do not have time to move on with a new company.

1804
01:30:28,365 --> 01:30:30,855
Okay. We could transition some

1805
01:30:30,855 --> 01:30:33,575
of those funds into polling if we felt

1806
01:30:33,685 --> 01:30:36,415
that was the right thing for more mailers.

1807
01:30:38,405 --> 01:30:41,565
And so transitioning, so sorry guys, just one second.

1808
01:30:42,065 --> 01:30:45,725
So ing a polling would tell us where

1809
01:30:46,025 --> 01:30:49,245
to focus more resources.

1810
01:30:49,245 --> 01:30:51,805
So we do polling in September,

1811
01:30:52,675 --> 01:30:54,565
then we get an answer in October,

1812
01:30:55,905 --> 01:30:56,925
you could get in two weeks.

1813
01:30:57,315 --> 01:31:00,765
Okay. So we waited answer in September, a sample size of 300

1814
01:31:01,025 --> 01:31:04,645
or the 18 towns would be likely voters would be by phone

1815
01:31:05,145 --> 01:31:07,885
and you could probably te probably tease out 20 questions

1816
01:31:08,185 --> 01:31:10,205
so you could understand what the objections are.

1817
01:31:10,825 --> 01:31:12,565
And it's more interactive

1818
01:31:12,565 --> 01:31:15,445
because you don't know the level of of objection.

1819
01:31:15,815 --> 01:31:17,445
Right. You'll be able to identify

1820
01:31:18,025 --> 01:31:20,925
and segment certain objections by size.

1821
01:31:21,115 --> 01:31:24,045
Okay. Right. Which you aren't gonna get in these kind

1822
01:31:24,045 --> 01:31:25,365
of one way communications.

1823
01:31:25,365 --> 01:31:28,845
Right. The digital is one way you might get some comments,

1824
01:31:28,985 --> 01:31:31,205
but people don't necessarily participate.

1825
01:31:31,205 --> 01:31:33,165
A lot of people don't like their opinion to be known

1826
01:31:33,705 --> 01:31:34,925
to, to their neighbors.

1827
01:31:35,255 --> 01:31:36,965
Right. And with a mailer, you don't see it.

1828
01:31:36,965 --> 01:31:38,045
Mailers are cheap either.

1829
01:31:38,205 --> 01:31:40,165
I mean, a mailer could be 10 grand. Yeah. Right.

1830
01:31:40,185 --> 01:31:44,165
Two mailers is $20,000. Right? Yeah.

1831
01:31:44,385 --> 01:31:46,325
I'm just trying to work the timeline. So if we, we do,

1832
01:31:46,345 --> 01:31:49,445
if we do the polling in September, we know in two weeks

1833
01:31:49,545 --> 01:31:51,445
and then we know where to put the mailers

1834
01:31:51,465 --> 01:31:52,765
and the other other resources.

1835
01:31:52,765 --> 01:31:54,005
You know what to say. Yeah.

1836
01:31:54,395 --> 01:31:55,925
Yeah. That that's the we're not,

1837
01:31:56,875 --> 01:31:58,325
What I'm saying is you know what to say

1838
01:31:58,965 --> 01:32:00,965
Than too much fully will get that feedback. Yeah.

1839
01:32:01,705 --> 01:32:05,565
You know, which points to specifically articulate Right.

1840
01:32:05,945 --> 01:32:07,045
Or which ones to highlight.

1841
01:32:07,205 --> 01:32:08,645
I mean, you may find a very

1842
01:32:08,645 --> 01:32:10,045
favorable block in some of these times.

1843
01:32:10,065 --> 01:32:11,365
You may want to accentuate that,

1844
01:32:11,365 --> 01:32:12,405
try to pull those people out.

1845
01:32:12,935 --> 01:32:16,445
Right. But you know, those people can swamp that nose.

1846
01:32:18,785 --> 01:32:21,245
Do we have the capacity in house to do that?

1847
01:32:24,705 --> 01:32:26,205
We have some folks who are interested

1848
01:32:26,305 --> 01:32:29,805
and we may be able to pay them a stipend for above

1849
01:32:29,805 --> 01:32:32,565
and beyond their contract to support the work

1850
01:32:35,625 --> 01:32:37,325
pay for my here to not be gray.

1851
01:32:40,865 --> 01:32:43,085
That's, I'm sorry.

1852
01:32:43,755 --> 01:32:45,485
Yeah. I mean, against time.

1853
01:32:45,685 --> 01:32:49,525
Michelle, I, I'm a scientist, right? I like, I like data.

1854
01:32:50,905 --> 01:32:55,765
My concern is, is we get that information

1855
01:32:55,945 --> 01:32:57,845
and then the value is what we do with it.

1856
01:32:58,105 --> 01:32:59,645
And do we have the capacity

1857
01:32:59,785 --> 01:33:02,405
to actually act on the information, right?

1858
01:33:02,825 --> 01:33:04,685
Yes. Polls are not precise,

1859
01:33:05,185 --> 01:33:07,445
but they do give you information that you can then

1860
01:33:08,355 --> 01:33:09,405
base your actions on.

1861
01:33:09,505 --> 01:33:10,645
And so that's the piece that,

1862
01:33:10,745 --> 01:33:12,685
and I forgot we asked the question about do

1863
01:33:12,685 --> 01:33:13,725
we have the capacity?

1864
01:33:13,785 --> 01:33:16,565
And so yeah. That, that, that is my concern.

1865
01:33:16,585 --> 01:33:18,685
And I, and I recognize that like time is

1866
01:33:18,685 --> 01:33:19,725
of the essence, right?

1867
01:33:20,465 --> 01:33:24,565
And so yeah, I I'm, I'm more in favor

1868
01:33:24,785 --> 01:33:28,165
of being very clear with the,

1869
01:33:29,945 --> 01:33:33,125
the contractor, like, these are the expectations,

1870
01:33:33,795 --> 01:33:34,845
this is what we want.

1871
01:33:35,465 --> 01:33:37,245
And, and not,

1872
01:33:38,465 --> 01:33:40,525
not just they're, they're experts, right?

1873
01:33:40,525 --> 01:33:44,085
Like we chose them because of their expertise

1874
01:33:44,225 --> 01:33:45,845
and now we're second guessing they're,

1875
01:33:45,945 --> 01:33:47,805
I'm not a media expert, right?

1876
01:33:47,835 --> 01:33:52,645
Like, right. And so I I I wanna sort of hold back that,

1877
01:33:53,035 --> 01:33:57,165
that, that feeling to second guess the experts who we chose

1878
01:33:57,265 --> 01:33:58,565
to, to help us.

1879
01:33:59,235 --> 01:34:01,525
Yeah. And to recognize that urgency is,

1880
01:34:01,745 --> 01:34:03,325
is probably playing a pretty big role

1881
01:34:03,385 --> 01:34:04,645
in that second guessing.

1882
01:34:05,265 --> 01:34:09,085
And I, I don't wanna dismiss the, the Mr.

1883
01:34:10,625 --> 01:34:11,805
Mur, my, my bad.

1884
01:34:13,305 --> 01:34:15,925
The the request that that you made.

1885
01:34:15,925 --> 01:34:20,245
And I just don't know, like where, I don't know

1886
01:34:20,245 --> 01:34:23,685
where the line is for like, us to be able to like,

1887
01:34:23,835 --> 01:34:27,045
make connections versus, like those connections happen

1888
01:34:27,315 --> 01:34:28,405
amongst the community.

1889
01:34:28,665 --> 01:34:30,285
I'm, I'm not a legal expert, so

1890
01:34:30,765 --> 01:34:33,445
I think I can reach out to advisory board members and,

1891
01:34:33,625 --> 01:34:35,285
and let them know of this interest

1892
01:34:35,985 --> 01:34:39,725
and give them your contact information so it goes that way

1893
01:34:39,875 --> 01:34:41,725
that they can reach out and take that step.

1894
01:34:41,965 --> 01:34:43,725
I think that that is a great idea.

1895
01:34:44,645 --> 01:34:47,805
I love that it, if that the community is is,

1896
01:34:47,905 --> 01:34:49,645
or there are folks within the community

1897
01:34:49,715 --> 01:34:51,365
that would be willing to support this.

1898
01:34:53,075 --> 01:34:55,365
Yeah. I think there are, when you think about the jobs

1899
01:34:55,395 --> 01:34:57,605
that we're gonna be creating for the next three years

1900
01:34:57,945 --> 01:35:00,165
and, you know, the construction companies

1901
01:35:00,345 --> 01:35:02,645
and just the landscape, like there's

1902
01:35:02,745 --> 01:35:05,405
so many big projects going be going on here

1903
01:35:05,405 --> 01:35:07,125
that it's going to be worth it.

1904
01:35:08,105 --> 01:35:10,045
And, and I've asked this question of you, Jody,

1905
01:35:10,045 --> 01:35:11,085
in the past, and I'll shut up after this,

1906
01:35:11,265 --> 01:35:12,685
but like, where's the state?

1907
01:35:12,695 --> 01:35:16,325
Right? Like we've heard from the state government,

1908
01:35:16,325 --> 01:35:18,445
we've heard from the federal government, like the importance

1909
01:35:18,445 --> 01:35:19,605
of CTE, right?

1910
01:35:19,785 --> 01:35:21,485
And so yeah, I,

1911
01:35:22,615 --> 01:35:24,565
Again, we did have a member of the Agency

1912
01:35:24,565 --> 01:35:26,325
of Education on for a little bit here.

1913
01:35:26,565 --> 01:35:31,325
I think she's also a very resident, so

1914
01:35:31,325 --> 01:35:35,045
that might be one, but they're not here anymore.

1915
01:35:36,345 --> 01:35:37,445
And getting the support

1916
01:35:37,465 --> 01:35:39,445
of the business community is powerful.

1917
01:35:39,945 --> 01:35:42,605
Yes. Whether it's through funding a poll,

1918
01:35:42,825 --> 01:35:46,765
but just their visual, you know, being interviewed,

1919
01:35:46,765 --> 01:35:49,365
being in the videos, whatever you can do to get them

1920
01:35:49,365 --> 01:35:54,005
to come out and support the project is really good.

1921
01:35:54,365 --> 01:35:57,525
I, a couple of thoughts, having been doing this

1922
01:35:57,525 --> 01:36:01,885
for a long time, I I I,

1923
01:36:03,585 --> 01:36:05,445
I'm not sure what a poll will tell you.

1924
01:36:05,625 --> 01:36:10,125
You know, what the complaint's gonna be. It's expensive.

1925
01:36:10,805 --> 01:36:14,635
Right? Right. I, I don't, everybody is for CTE.

1926
01:36:15,655 --> 01:36:19,465
It's an overwhelmingly positive addition in the community.

1927
01:36:20,045 --> 01:36:21,745
And the only downside to the project

1928
01:36:22,495 --> 01:36:25,225
that people will probably say is, wow, it's,

1929
01:36:25,335 --> 01:36:27,345
it's really expensive and my taxes are high.

1930
01:36:27,925 --> 01:36:31,585
So I, I guess, and, and then,

1931
01:36:31,585 --> 01:36:35,425
and then maybe a more sophisticated polling would yield more

1932
01:36:35,455 --> 01:36:38,665
nuanced responses so you could craft the message.

1933
01:36:38,845 --> 01:36:43,805
But I, given the timeline

1934
01:36:44,465 --> 01:36:49,165
and the urgency of getting media out there, i, I

1935
01:36:49,935 --> 01:36:53,285
personally question whether the poll is

1936
01:36:54,045 --> 01:36:55,045
a worthwhile thing

1937
01:36:55,045 --> 01:36:56,405
because that delays everything

1938
01:36:56,505 --> 01:37:00,885
for even more time. Anyway, that's just,

1939
01:37:01,005 --> 01:37:02,765
I think we could maybe move forward with both.

1940
01:37:02,895 --> 01:37:04,565
Maybe it's an and. Yeah. Yeah.

1941
01:37:04,885 --> 01:37:07,325
I, I agree with David.

1942
01:37:08,785 --> 01:37:11,925
If we had a lot of time polling would probably be

1943
01:37:11,925 --> 01:37:14,725
worthwhile, but since early voting starts

1944
01:37:15,605 --> 01:37:16,965
probably the third week of October,

1945
01:37:17,985 --> 01:37:20,925
and we need to get those people that are, that vote early

1946
01:37:20,945 --> 01:37:23,685
and then head out of town for Florida or wherever they go.

1947
01:37:24,465 --> 01:37:26,485
We, we really don't have time.

1948
01:37:26,585 --> 01:37:30,445
And I know data's great to, to gather,

1949
01:37:30,625 --> 01:37:33,205
but we also know that thousands

1950
01:37:33,205 --> 01:37:37,125
and thousands of people vote in favor of the budget

1951
01:37:37,345 --> 01:37:39,045
for this career center.

1952
01:37:39,135 --> 01:37:41,445
Every, every time there's a, there's a vote

1953
01:37:41,465 --> 01:37:42,845
for a budget vote.

1954
01:37:43,305 --> 01:37:45,005
And we went through those numbers last time

1955
01:37:45,065 --> 01:37:47,765
and it was overwhelmingly like 75%

1956
01:37:48,345 --> 01:37:50,925
of the voters were in favor.

1957
01:37:51,185 --> 01:37:53,845
So we know, like David says, there's a lot

1958
01:37:53,845 --> 01:37:55,005
of positivity around it.

1959
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:58,845
It it's just about our messaging, the urgency of

1960
01:37:59,355 --> 01:38:03,325
getting consistent messages out there as soon as possible

1961
01:38:03,425 --> 01:38:06,445
and then right up to November 4th.

1962
01:38:07,825 --> 01:38:10,525
So I think we've got multiple tactics

1963
01:38:10,525 --> 01:38:14,005
to get messages out there and we have to begin using those.

1964
01:38:14,505 --> 01:38:17,725
And so if Jody puts together a list, some

1965
01:38:17,725 --> 01:38:20,005
of the things we've spoken about, some of the things me, she

1966
01:38:20,005 --> 01:38:21,485
and Michelle have talked about

1967
01:38:21,945 --> 01:38:23,685
and present that to the marketing team,

1968
01:38:24,315 --> 01:38:26,725
hopefully they'll say, yeah, we're ready to do that.

1969
01:38:26,785 --> 01:38:30,085
If they don't, then I feel like we have the resources in

1970
01:38:30,085 --> 01:38:33,325
house to do much of what they would be doing anyway.

1971
01:38:34,075 --> 01:38:35,965
What we're doing is buying time

1972
01:38:35,965 --> 01:38:38,165
because none of us have time to do this.

1973
01:38:38,785 --> 01:38:40,965
And certainly the administrators at the school

1974
01:38:41,025 --> 01:38:42,165
do not have a lot of time.

1975
01:38:42,625 --> 01:38:44,565
But if we have to, we can make that time.

1976
01:38:45,105 --> 01:38:48,125
So we use our 40,000 plus

1977
01:38:48,125 --> 01:38:51,645
dollars wise.

1978
01:38:55,165 --> 01:38:56,765
I think, I think what we've begun

1979
01:38:56,765 --> 01:38:59,285
to sketch out just from the discussion is

1980
01:38:59,795 --> 01:39:03,245
what the deliverables are that we're looking for from the

1981
01:39:04,515 --> 01:39:06,565
marketing team that we're hiring.

1982
01:39:08,825 --> 01:39:12,965
The question of the mailer, is that one, or is it two?

1983
01:39:13,105 --> 01:39:15,565
Is it one that's dedicated to citizens

1984
01:39:15,585 --> 01:39:17,645
and another that's dedicated to businesses?

1985
01:39:18,585 --> 01:39:21,365
How does that, how do we wanna break that out if we need to,

1986
01:39:23,145 --> 01:39:27,765
making sure that we have enough information, whether

1987
01:39:28,035 --> 01:39:30,485
that is through polling or advertising

1988
01:39:31,305 --> 01:39:33,925
and getting the businesses on board

1989
01:39:35,025 --> 01:39:37,485
for their support, not only financially,

1990
01:39:37,905 --> 01:39:40,605
but also verbally,

1991
01:39:42,595 --> 01:39:45,685
outspokenly what I, to have that kind of

1992
01:39:46,565 --> 01:39:49,365
presence from the business community saying that we are

1993
01:39:49,365 --> 01:39:50,525
behind this endeavor

1994
01:39:50,525 --> 01:39:54,205
because of what it'll bring not only for us as a business,

1995
01:39:54,345 --> 01:39:57,925
but also for the community and, and the, the students.

1996
01:39:59,525 --> 01:40:01,245
Anything else that needs to be added to that?

1997
01:40:01,885 --> 01:40:02,885
I like that Alice,

1998
01:40:05,605 --> 01:40:10,005
I agree with op-eds are free, right?

1999
01:40:10,105 --> 01:40:12,245
And we're talking about the value of the, of the support

2000
01:40:12,245 --> 01:40:13,245
of the business community.

2001
01:40:13,385 --> 01:40:16,725
And so if there is a coordinated like effort

2002
01:40:16,785 --> 01:40:20,365
of our supporters to be outspoken in

2003
01:40:21,155 --> 01:40:24,525
that was redundant in support of the,

2004
01:40:25,015 --> 01:40:27,565
we're not the ones saying go out and vote.

2005
01:40:27,665 --> 01:40:28,965
Yes. We're, we're getting,

2006
01:40:29,095 --> 01:40:31,165
we're getting people to go out and vote.

2007
01:40:31,185 --> 01:40:32,365
That's what we're doing, right?

2008
01:40:33,335 --> 01:40:35,845
Folks in the community can speak in

2009
01:40:35,845 --> 01:40:37,205
favor or against the vote.

2010
01:40:37,265 --> 01:40:41,125
And so, you know, I, I do think that those types of

2011
01:40:42,595 --> 01:40:46,845
efforts in Montpelier, we, we have like op-ed,

2012
01:40:47,595 --> 01:40:52,165
like a schedule when we come up to a, a board budget vote

2013
01:40:52,505 --> 01:40:54,565
of like who's writing op-eds when.

2014
01:40:54,705 --> 01:40:56,085
And so I think, you know,

2015
01:40:56,085 --> 01:40:58,765
something along those lines might, might also be helpful.

2016
01:41:00,185 --> 01:41:04,925
Ms. Palmer? Hi there, my name is Danielle Palmer

2017
01:41:05,505 --> 01:41:09,925
and I am a 1998 graduate of Spalding High School.

2018
01:41:10,325 --> 01:41:12,405
I participated in the career center

2019
01:41:12,905 --> 01:41:16,605
and I think just inviting everyone to think outside the box

2020
01:41:17,425 --> 01:41:20,165
in respect to telling people's stories.

2021
01:41:21,025 --> 01:41:25,205
So for example, maybe soliciting someone like myself

2022
01:41:25,265 --> 01:41:28,965
to share about how the career center benefited me

2023
01:41:29,505 --> 01:41:31,765
and my career path and

2024
01:41:31,825 --> 01:41:34,965
or seeing if there's multi-generational, I have a child

2025
01:41:34,985 --> 01:41:38,925
that's going to partake in the exploratory program, so nice.

2026
01:41:38,925 --> 01:41:42,925
Just looking outside the box sort stories sell.

2027
01:41:43,505 --> 01:41:45,085
So if you are aware

2028
01:41:45,085 --> 01:41:47,845
of people even you can approach it from the angle

2029
01:41:47,905 --> 01:41:51,725
of business owners, the benefit of of students,

2030
01:41:51,825 --> 01:41:53,645
and then eventually them becoming higher

2031
01:41:53,745 --> 01:41:54,885
and the benefits to that.

2032
01:41:55,065 --> 01:41:57,965
So you can really just really invite anybody think

2033
01:41:57,965 --> 01:42:01,485
outside the box and I'm happy to participate

2034
01:42:01,485 --> 01:42:02,765
or help generate more ideas.

2035
01:42:05,095 --> 01:42:06,485
Thank you for that, Danielle.

2036
01:42:08,595 --> 01:42:11,525
That that's something that the marketing firm did not

2037
01:42:12,195 --> 01:42:14,565
address and we had recommended that many times

2038
01:42:14,745 --> 01:42:18,165
and I think we forgot to mention that that's a,

2039
01:42:18,355 --> 01:42:19,645
they dropped the ball on that.

2040
01:42:19,785 --> 01:42:22,405
And so yes, we need to have those testimonials,

2041
01:42:22,695 --> 01:42:26,925
those representatives and should have been started already.

2042
01:42:26,945 --> 01:42:29,125
But the marketing firms still

2043
01:42:29,755 --> 01:42:31,565
putting together their proposal.

2044
01:42:32,075 --> 01:42:34,765
Well, they did ask for some stakeholder information

2045
01:42:34,785 --> 01:42:36,245
and I have provided them with some,

2046
01:42:36,245 --> 01:42:37,365
and I keep adding to that.

2047
01:42:37,785 --> 01:42:40,925
And I think that is where they, Todd,

2048
01:42:40,925 --> 01:42:43,205
when they had those social media posts

2049
01:42:43,455 --> 01:42:45,445
where they had pictures of,

2050
01:42:45,635 --> 01:42:47,405
they weren't our students in those pictures

2051
01:42:47,405 --> 01:42:50,525
for the examples, but that they, the intent was

2052
01:42:50,665 --> 01:42:55,365
to use alumni and other business partnerships and parents

2053
01:42:55,825 --> 01:42:59,885
and to be able to post really quickly short stories.

2054
01:43:00,145 --> 01:43:02,845
But I, the value of a story is really important.

2055
01:43:03,385 --> 01:43:05,885
And I think we, we also heard that from our co consultants

2056
01:43:05,885 --> 01:43:07,525
for the comprehensive of local needs assessment.

2057
01:43:08,225 --> 01:43:09,885
And, and that's something we're trying

2058
01:43:09,885 --> 01:43:10,965
to gather some of those.

2059
01:43:11,105 --> 01:43:13,485
So I really appreciate you saying that Danielle

2060
01:43:13,505 --> 01:43:15,445
and I will be adding you to the list.

2061
01:43:15,505 --> 01:43:18,205
So I'm glad you're up for that. And yes,

2062
01:43:18,465 --> 01:43:19,465
You're Welcome.

2063
01:43:20,785 --> 01:43:23,765
Yes. The parents can tell the story better than the,

2064
01:43:23,765 --> 01:43:25,125
than actually the student can

2065
01:43:25,235 --> 01:43:28,005
because the, the parent is watching the growth

2066
01:43:28,025 --> 01:43:30,165
of their child through the educational system.

2067
01:43:33,645 --> 01:43:34,685
Teachers. Yep.

2068
01:43:36,095 --> 01:43:37,405
Sorry, I'm behind you. That's

2069
01:43:37,405 --> 01:43:38,405
Okay.

2070
01:43:39,315 --> 01:43:41,975
One thing that these small papers,

2071
01:43:42,395 --> 01:43:44,935
people mentioning the world in roundabout the

2072
01:43:44,935 --> 01:43:47,615
Bread, They are desperate for content.

2073
01:43:48,555 --> 01:43:51,450
And if you, you can literally write the article,

2074
01:43:52,075 --> 01:43:55,725
give 'em the photo, and they'll clean it up and,

2075
01:43:55,985 --> 01:43:59,925
and you know, and post it.

2076
01:44:00,055 --> 01:44:04,455
We've, so anyway, I think that's an easier way

2077
01:44:04,455 --> 01:44:07,895
to get content out if you write like press release

2078
01:44:07,955 --> 01:44:12,615
or more like a more info article about maybe with,

2079
01:44:12,845 --> 01:44:16,255
with some of these testimonials from students to parents

2080
01:44:17,955 --> 01:44:21,175
and, and then, you know, talk

2081
01:44:21,195 --> 01:44:22,975
to the different small newspapers

2082
01:44:23,115 --> 01:44:26,655
and a lot of them are connected, so it's the same publisher.

2083
01:44:26,665 --> 01:44:29,935
We'll do three different towns or three different regions.

2084
01:44:29,995 --> 01:44:33,015
And so you, you can propagate an article that way.

2085
01:44:37,175 --> 01:44:39,455
Circling back to your question about deliverables. Yes.

2086
01:44:39,575 --> 01:44:41,695
I think the most important deliverable, the one

2087
01:44:41,695 --> 01:44:45,455
that I was most troubled by was urgency.

2088
01:44:46,155 --> 01:44:47,615
And I think that's come up a couple of times,

2089
01:44:47,635 --> 01:44:50,775
but I just wanted to, to say that to me that's the most

2090
01:44:51,365 --> 01:44:55,095
important thing I think that we need to see out

2091
01:44:55,095 --> 01:44:58,895
of them moving forward is a real sense of urgency.

2092
01:44:59,755 --> 01:45:03,135
And that probably comes down to giving them a, a set time

2093
01:45:03,555 --> 01:45:05,215
by this time really to have this.

2094
01:45:05,235 --> 01:45:06,455
And that's, I'm not trying to

2095
01:45:07,445 --> 01:45:09,535
Your business, but Michelle just did the countdown.

2096
01:45:09,565 --> 01:45:11,495
It's 51 days till the first person

2097
01:45:11,495 --> 01:45:12,695
could vote for that early.

2098
01:45:13,175 --> 01:45:15,015
Yeah, exactly. It's, I think urgency is the

2099
01:45:15,015 --> 01:45:16,335
most critical thing.

2100
01:45:16,675 --> 01:45:19,535
And I would, I would offer that in addition to

2101
01:45:19,535 --> 01:45:22,415
that was left feeling that it was, that the,

2102
01:45:22,785 --> 01:45:24,975
maybe the content wasn't this way,

2103
01:45:25,035 --> 01:45:28,495
but the presentation itself felt a little slick.

2104
01:45:29,675 --> 01:45:30,855
You know, like I was looking

2105
01:45:30,875 --> 01:45:32,855
for a little bit more authenticity

2106
01:45:33,675 --> 01:45:37,175
or a little bit more like it was of this place

2107
01:45:37,315 --> 01:45:39,455
and not, I guess I, it's,

2108
01:45:39,455 --> 01:45:43,135
it felt like a marketing presentation from a marketing firm.

2109
01:45:43,595 --> 01:45:45,735
And maybe that's to be expected.

2110
01:45:47,145 --> 01:45:49,175
Maybe that may be a nothing burger comment, but

2111
01:45:49,765 --> 01:45:51,455
Well, like to your point, when you,

2112
01:45:51,555 --> 01:45:53,335
you helped prepare the slide for tonight,

2113
01:45:53,395 --> 01:45:54,535
but it still looked like us.

2114
01:45:54,795 --> 01:45:57,095
It was our colors. Even though you all,

2115
01:45:57,315 --> 01:45:58,455
we all kind of did it together.

2116
01:45:58,565 --> 01:46:00,895
Like when you're preparing something for us,

2117
01:46:01,445 --> 01:46:02,575
whether it's internal

2118
01:46:02,675 --> 01:46:05,335
or to be shared, it should still look like us.

2119
01:46:06,915 --> 01:46:09,215
So for the, if I can build on the urgency point,

2120
01:46:09,275 --> 01:46:11,735
the September 7th, they have their first, their first

2121
01:46:12,805 --> 01:46:15,855
item on their timeline is the times, August print a

2122
01:46:16,515 --> 01:46:20,035
and so maybe asking to see that week beforehand

2123
01:46:20,215 --> 01:46:24,135
or something could be a double check on,

2124
01:46:26,115 --> 01:46:27,855
on, on, on the urgency.

2125
01:46:28,435 --> 01:46:29,855
Yep. It could have been the way they

2126
01:46:29,855 --> 01:46:31,095
rolled out the presentation too.

2127
01:46:31,115 --> 01:46:32,255
So they were kind of taking their time.

2128
01:46:32,485 --> 01:46:35,015
They had a plan and I could feel everybody in the room

2129
01:46:35,015 --> 01:46:39,495
and kind of chomping feeling get to it, get to the point so

2130
01:46:39,495 --> 01:46:40,935
that could play into it.

2131
01:46:43,735 --> 01:46:46,065
Yeah, I mean to your, to your point just there, right?

2132
01:46:46,205 --> 01:46:49,845
So they want approval of the strategy by the 30th, which is

2133
01:46:50,485 --> 01:46:51,685
a week before the first.

2134
01:46:52,185 --> 01:46:53,845
So it's like, all right, well where's your,

2135
01:46:53,845 --> 01:46:54,845
what's your ad look like?

2136
01:46:55,585 --> 01:46:57,765
You know, because that's a, that's a week and a day. Yeah,

2137
01:47:00,595 --> 01:47:01,595
Yeah.

2138
01:47:01,595 --> 01:47:02,445
And you don't send it on the day it's gonna be in the

2139
01:47:02,445 --> 01:47:03,125
Print. Exactly.

2140
01:47:04,105 --> 01:47:08,805
So do we have a, a list that we need

2141
01:47:08,805 --> 01:47:12,525
to present to them or how are we, I'm marking on one.

2142
01:47:12,715 --> 01:47:17,165
Okay. I also been Oh, thank you. Writing down as well.

2143
01:47:17,475 --> 01:47:22,445
Okay. You read it out and add Yeah.

2144
01:47:22,495 --> 01:47:24,365
Thank you. Knowing that at

2145
01:47:26,025 --> 01:47:29,245
the overarching premise of all of this is the urgency.

2146
01:47:29,245 --> 01:47:32,245
Yeah. That we don't have a lot of time. Okay.

2147
01:47:33,225 --> 01:47:35,245
Is every is everyone on board with that,

2148
01:47:35,675 --> 01:47:37,045
Patrick? Any suggestions?

2149
01:47:37,045 --> 01:47:38,805
Yes, just one more thing and then separately, we'll,

2150
01:47:38,805 --> 01:47:41,165
we'll provide, we'll we'll pull, we'll talk to the stake

2151
01:47:41,305 --> 01:47:44,525
to our, I'm sorry, advisory councils that you said to,

2152
01:47:44,585 --> 01:47:46,365
to give them Yes.

2153
01:47:46,935 --> 01:47:47,935
Miles. Great.

2154
01:47:51,365 --> 01:47:55,945
Any other questions or concerns? Mr. Todd?

2155
01:47:56,685 --> 01:48:01,625
Guy Jana? Anything? Corey? Corey.

2156
01:48:04,415 --> 01:48:09,305
Okay guy. I'm good. You're flashing us guy.

2157
01:48:11,125 --> 01:48:12,125
I'm

2158
01:48:13,845 --> 01:48:14,985
Not literally Okay.

2159
01:48:18,415 --> 01:48:20,065
Your, your, your,

2160
01:48:21,545 --> 01:48:24,105
Honestly I've got my, I've got my sign on.

2161
01:48:24,135 --> 01:48:25,625
It's covering everything. Okay.

2162
01:48:31,105 --> 01:48:35,385
Sandwich board again. Yeah, there

2163
01:48:35,385 --> 01:48:36,825
that guy is

2164
01:48:36,825 --> 01:48:37,825
Ready to go.

2165
01:48:37,825 --> 01:48:39,545
He knows urgent sign.

2166
01:48:40,245 --> 01:48:42,145
We haven't talked about the guy sandwich board.

2167
01:48:44,085 --> 01:48:45,665
We need to add that in. Add.

2168
01:48:46,415 --> 01:48:49,105
Alright, so we need to

2169
01:48:49,405 --> 01:48:50,505
One thing, Alice?

2170
01:48:50,685 --> 01:48:51,705
Yes. Yes.

2171
01:48:52,255 --> 01:48:55,665
Okay. Just one thing, Jody, I'm wondering when you come

2172
01:48:55,845 --> 01:48:57,745
to our schools to talk,

2173
01:48:59,695 --> 01:49:03,185
what can we be doing to bring people out

2174
01:49:04,235 --> 01:49:06,345
other than the postings that we did?

2175
01:49:07,085 --> 01:49:09,825
And could you give me

2176
01:49:10,635 --> 01:49:14,185
alarm signs when you come so I can give, distribute them

2177
01:49:17,285 --> 01:49:19,145
My, I will.

2178
01:49:19,695 --> 01:49:21,425
That sets a very firm date

2179
01:49:21,425 --> 01:49:23,265
for when we need those lawn signs, so yes.

2180
01:49:24,295 --> 01:49:25,905
Okay, great. Thank you.

2181
01:49:28,825 --> 01:49:32,305
I i it it appears that our next situation is

2182
01:49:32,305 --> 01:49:34,265
that we need a motion to

2183
01:49:38,105 --> 01:49:40,475
empower the administration to go ahead

2184
01:49:40,475 --> 01:49:43,275
with this conversation with the marketing team

2185
01:49:43,575 --> 01:49:48,205
and bring to them our discussion of urgency,

2186
01:49:48,615 --> 01:49:50,205
activities and deliverables.

2187
01:49:51,025 --> 01:49:54,605
So moved exactly as you said it.

2188
01:49:55,915 --> 01:49:59,805
Exactly. Alright. Any further discussion?

2189
01:50:02,325 --> 01:50:04,925
I would just like to amend that to say the administration

2190
01:50:05,185 --> 01:50:10,125
or their designees, so we have

2191
01:50:10,125 --> 01:50:11,125
that as, as clear.

2192
01:50:11,125 --> 01:50:13,885
Is that acceptable? Okay. To do that.

2193
01:50:14,785 --> 01:50:19,725
All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

2194
01:50:20,345 --> 01:50:23,925
Aye. Very good. Any any dissension?

2195
01:50:24,745 --> 01:50:29,725
Any abstentions? Hearing none. Motion carries. Thank you.

2196
01:50:30,225 --> 01:50:33,205
We have one item that was not on our agenda. Okay.

2197
01:50:34,865 --> 01:50:36,045
Our lovely clerk.

2198
01:50:36,345 --> 01:50:39,805
Oh, I was gonna say too, so I decided

2199
01:50:39,865 --> 01:50:42,045
to step down from taking board minutes.

2200
01:50:42,185 --> 01:50:45,965
It was a really difficult decision for me

2201
01:50:46,105 --> 01:50:48,365
as I've been doing this this year forever.

2202
01:50:49,805 --> 01:50:52,485
I know I three years, three years for the district

2203
01:50:53,385 --> 01:50:56,965
and then three years for governance and then events as well.

2204
01:50:57,105 --> 01:51:00,045
And I wanna focus on my curriculum this year

2205
01:51:00,145 --> 01:51:04,005
and continuing my education doesn't mean I'm not gonna stop

2206
01:51:04,005 --> 01:51:06,365
and for board meetings, but this was a really difficult

2207
01:51:06,605 --> 01:51:08,645
decision as I've learned so much.

2208
01:51:12,105 --> 01:51:12,605
Oh my God.

2209
01:51:20,225 --> 01:51:23,765
We do not accept your resignation. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

2210
01:51:23,765 --> 01:51:26,285
Write that down. Could we put something,

2211
01:51:26,315 --> 01:51:27,525
something on the record?

2212
01:51:28,025 --> 01:51:30,885
Yes. That expresses our appreciation. Yes.

2213
01:51:30,885 --> 01:51:33,765
We, we are, I think, I think everyone, every, each

2214
01:51:33,765 --> 01:51:36,205
of us really appreciates the work

2215
01:51:36,305 --> 01:51:39,045
and has appreciated the work that you do as well

2216
01:51:39,045 --> 01:51:42,205
as the contributions that you have made to our meetings.

2217
01:51:42,235 --> 01:51:46,125
Because without that, that's a kind of an inside view

2218
01:51:46,515 --> 01:51:48,325
that you have that we don't always have

2219
01:51:48,425 --> 01:51:49,885
as board members, you know?

2220
01:51:49,885 --> 01:51:51,445
And, and I've thought a lot about it

2221
01:51:51,465 --> 01:51:54,525
and, you know, I definitely may hop on

2222
01:51:54,585 --> 01:51:56,125
to board meetings for that.

2223
01:51:56,565 --> 01:52:00,885
'cause I do, you know, this is my 11th year at CBCC

2224
01:52:00,885 --> 01:52:04,045
and I really strongly believe in what tech ed does.

2225
01:52:04,225 --> 01:52:06,485
And, you know, I've seen my brother benefit

2226
01:52:06,595 --> 01:52:07,885
from going to a tech center.

2227
01:52:08,165 --> 01:52:10,365
I did not get the chance to go to a tech center.

2228
01:52:12,465 --> 01:52:14,285
But seeing our students success and,

2229
01:52:14,285 --> 01:52:17,125
and just seeing what this does for our community,

2230
01:52:17,745 --> 01:52:19,245
I'm very invested in that work.

2231
01:52:19,925 --> 01:52:22,085
I really am. So I'll still hop on,

2232
01:52:22,385 --> 01:52:24,645
but it was a really difficult decision.

2233
01:52:24,945 --> 01:52:27,645
It really was. Motion of appreciation.

2234
01:52:28,215 --> 01:52:31,765
Thank you for our recording secretary who we will miss.

2235
01:52:33,845 --> 01:52:36,045
I thank you. Cry sunglasses.

2236
01:52:38,165 --> 01:52:40,645
I, I appreciate you. I miss you already.

2237
01:52:41,585 --> 01:52:46,085
Oh, I'll hop on. Don't worry. All right.

2238
01:52:47,665 --> 01:52:50,245
Do we need to vote or just accept the fact

2239
01:52:50,245 --> 01:52:55,085
that we will no longer have a vibrant personality

2240
01:52:55,345 --> 01:52:57,165
as part of our staff?

2241
01:52:57,545 --> 01:52:58,845
You guys are all vibrant. Don't worry.

2242
01:53:00,115 --> 01:53:02,205
Well, thank you very much from all of us.

2243
01:53:02,305 --> 01:53:04,405
We really do appreciate your work. You're welcome.

2244
01:53:04,645 --> 01:53:05,645
I really enjoyed it.

2245
01:53:06,745 --> 01:53:09,565
It was just so cool to see the, the back ends

2246
01:53:09,585 --> 01:53:12,725
and not many people get to see that.

2247
01:53:12,825 --> 01:53:15,645
And I wish they would. You know what I mean? I really do.

2248
01:53:15,985 --> 01:53:17,805
And also thank you for being here

2249
01:53:17,985 --> 01:53:20,085
and in person to tell us that

2250
01:53:20,155 --> 01:53:22,485
because it would've been horrible if

2251
01:53:22,945 --> 01:53:24,125
we had just gotten an email.

2252
01:53:25,025 --> 01:53:26,125
No, no, no. I didn't wanna do that.

2253
01:53:26,225 --> 01:53:30,325
We wouldn't have an opportunity to have to, to fret over it

2254
01:53:30,385 --> 01:53:34,845
and, and miss you. All right. I'm gonna,

2255
01:53:35,345 --> 01:53:37,165
I'm gonna make you a gone fishing sign

2256
01:53:40,665 --> 01:53:41,665
Guy.

2257
01:53:41,665 --> 01:53:43,365
I have so many fishing signs at my house.

2258
01:53:44,755 --> 01:53:46,005
Well, you're getting another one

2259
01:53:48,435 --> 01:53:49,245
That you can wear

2260
01:53:51,165 --> 01:53:53,445
sandwich in my classroom.

2261
01:53:57,185 --> 01:53:59,045
All right, so we're set with that.

2262
01:53:59,395 --> 01:54:02,045
Your long side God vision, lawn side.

2263
01:54:02,915 --> 01:54:04,045
It's officially God vision.

2264
01:54:05,665 --> 01:54:08,805
So I think it's

2265
01:54:10,025 --> 01:54:13,845
pretty clear what we have for ahead of us for our meetings.

2266
01:54:16,225 --> 01:54:18,845
As always, if there's anyone who believes

2267
01:54:18,845 --> 01:54:20,285
that there's anything that we can do

2268
01:54:20,285 --> 01:54:22,805
to improve our meetings, to go ahead.

2269
01:54:22,925 --> 01:54:26,925
I, I think always, I really find the discussion that goes on

2270
01:54:26,925 --> 01:54:31,405
among this board and the interplay

2271
01:54:31,405 --> 01:54:33,885
among the all, not only the members, but the public

2272
01:54:33,905 --> 01:54:35,005
and people who are here.

2273
01:54:35,205 --> 01:54:39,885
I think that really adds to our efficiency.

2274
01:54:40,025 --> 01:54:43,805
And it also is a testament to just how well we,

2275
01:54:43,835 --> 01:54:47,845
from different districts not seeing each other all the time

2276
01:54:48,435 --> 01:54:50,565
come together in support of the career center.

2277
01:54:51,745 --> 01:54:53,845
So anyone else?

2278
01:54:54,725 --> 01:54:57,525
Comments, conclusions, all as always.

2279
01:54:57,865 --> 01:55:00,005
We appreciate our administration for

2280
01:55:00,005 --> 01:55:01,605
what you do and how you do it.

2281
01:55:02,185 --> 01:55:04,325
So there's no question about that.

2282
01:55:06,065 --> 01:55:09,325
Any other questions or concerns to come before this board?

2283
01:55:09,755 --> 01:55:14,525
Then I need a motion to adjourn. I will adjourn.

2284
01:55:15,875 --> 01:55:17,645
Jana, you wanna second it? Second.

2285
01:55:20,705 --> 01:55:22,525
We are officially adjourned.

2286
01:55:22,735 --> 01:55:25,645
Thank you very much everyone, everyone at home

2287
01:55:25,905 --> 01:55:27,845
and in the, in the building.

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Thank you Jan. Emojis in there.