1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:09,800
6:30 someone to call the meeting to
order and Ro Hall Commission elire here

2
00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:15,970
commissioner mayor commissioner bar here
commissioner Hughes commissioner Borman

3
00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:19,059
yes commissioner Hoffman here
[Music]

4
00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:34,640
Bagley pledge aliance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the for

5
00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:41,079
stands
indivisible and justice for

6
00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:48,039
all the first item on the agenda is
review and approval of PR meeting

7
00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:52,480
minutes this would be the minutes um
attached to your packet from 6:13 does

8
00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:58,719
anyone have
any um thing to discuss regarding the pr

9
00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:04,359
minutes
we have

10
00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:16,200
a all those in
favor all those

11
00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:21,720
opposed all right that brings us to the
um action part of the agenda and this is

12
00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:28,520
the public hearing piece regarding the
request for vbo uh property at 222

13
00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:33,159
Denton and I will open the public
hearing piece of the

14
00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:36,520
meetings so at this time we have if
anybody from the public would like to

15
00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,759
have anything to say if you would stand
and state your address and your name

16
00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:44,880
before speaking um and then you'll have
your opportunity to speak so that's open

17
00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:50,280
at this time can I talk about something
other than the

18
00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:54,600
vbo or should I wait I think we should
start with a vbo piece of it and let's

19
00:01:52,399 --> 00:02:00,640
get through that and we we'll see what
where it

20
00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:05,360
goes hi yes ma'am I am Kelly Conor 222
Den street that is my

21
00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:12,200
resident and I just want to say that the
reason for the vbo is that I do travel a

22
00:02:08,399 --> 00:02:15,879
lot and in traveling a lot I have family
here which is I have two daughters and

23
00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:21,959
two
son-in-laws Aubrey and Eli are from

24
00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:27,720
Calia root here children that go to
school here I've been involved in things

25
00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:32,280
here um my other son and daughter they
in Paulsville all of which are very

26
00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:37,640
close in the event that something does
occur if I am out of town um the other

27
00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:42,239
thing is that I've had the privilege of
staying at thr rollin's house the sne

28
00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:47,280
house seeing sisters for and I am
familiar with Betty and some of the

29
00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:52,400
others that are in the community and um
I love centrea I've um been coming here

30
00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:58,879
for the past seven
years and um the the community itself it

31
00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:04,599
seems to be a very tight k tight-knit
Community and a very caring Community

32
00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:09,200
the the owners of the
different facilities or stores within

33
00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:13,040
the square and that I've come across
everybody has always been very friendly

34
00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:17,799
and very welcoming and it's nice to see
that the community is

35
00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:22,760
growing um and it does seem even with
Hubble and the different Honeywell the

36
00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:28,680
things that are around much less all of
the colleges that are

37
00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:36,159
here that um the need is there for the
additional space to say um it is a four

38
00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:40,959
bedroom house and I'm doing my very best
since I've been here I put a roof on the

39
00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:46,879
house we've done new Landscaping to the
house um the inside is furnished very

40
00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:52,360
nicely and modestly so that it's
comfortable but for us when we're here

41
00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:57,799
but also for anybody that may come in
it's family friendly and it's child

42
00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:02,079
friendly um the fence the yard is
gated um and I think it would be I think

43
00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:06,720
it would be a lovely addition it's not a
matter of it's uh the intention is not

44
00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:09,280
for it to disrupt the community or
disrupt the block there are a lot of

45
00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:14,480
children on the
Block so whatever is you know whatever

46
00:04:12,079 --> 00:04:19,199
is required of the city I'd be glad to
um you know if you need documents or

47
00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:25,360
present anything I'd be happy to do that
all right thank you

48
00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:31,280
um did we have anyone else to speak
regarding the

49
00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:39,320
vbo yes ma'am um I just got to meet
Kelly I readed tashy at

50
00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:45,639
217 so I'm just kind of this way from
her my main concern when I got the

51
00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:48,280
letter that it was going in was now are
are we going to have to give up our nice

52
00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:53,440
quiet
neighborhood are our children going to

53
00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:58,440
be at risk that run up and down the
streets and and

54
00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:08,520
um is there some kind of condition
people have to have to go and stay in

55
00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:12,720
there and then on the other hand I think
well I have friends that come to visit

56
00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:18,600
people at
Sunnydale and they might like a place to

57
00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:25,720
stay
and so I don't I'm not either yay or nay

58
00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:30,680
I just kind of wanted some answers
inform to what to expect okay cuz I

59
00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:34,240
really never never
by

60
00:05:31,750 --> 00:05:41,720
[Music]
a whatever and actually I've never heard

61
00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:50,039
of one before and but I've never lived
by that to see what kind

62
00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:57,479
of in and out traffic comes
so uh since I've gotten more information

63
00:05:53,560 --> 00:06:03,880
I'm getting excited about it and happy
for Kelly if she can find

64
00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:09,240
to stay in there and and give her a
little extra money on the side

65
00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:13,479
there well thank
you anyone else regarding the

66
00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:22,919
drbo so I did receive two phone calls um
they were just concerned about the the

67
00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:27,680
In-N-Out traffic what it would do to the
neighborhood basically what what Rita

68
00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:34,240
said and Kelly kind of addressed there
um but that was that just concerns and

69
00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:39,960
asking questions on what a vbo is and
that sort of thing okay well if there's

70
00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:45,440
and your your thing is not related to
this at all okay so I'm going to keep it

71
00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:49,080
completely separate um so with nobody
else regarding the vbo what I'm do is

72
00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:56,120
I'll close the public hearing piece of
it I'll bring it back to um the

73
00:06:53,479 --> 00:07:02,400
commission the board we are sorry it's
been a long day um to have any questions

74
00:06:59,879 --> 00:07:06,000
for you and and I'll actually I'll
actually start that first to address

75
00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:12,120
some of the concerns that I know that
you have um we do have a very detailed

76
00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:18,720
um
um ordinance or code thank you code

77
00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:23,440
regarding VBS that we put in when Betty
uh came to us a couple years ago and

78
00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:27,160
requested to put in the roll Street
house and IT addresses most I think

79
00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:32,120
everything that you're concerned about
as far as having to detail out what's

80
00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:37,080
expected of a of a renter or somebody
that would be coming into that um they

81
00:07:34,599 --> 00:07:41,319
have to sign an agreement when they rent
these properties they have to adhere to

82
00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:46,440
those agreements as part of that and I
think that you addressed that um well

83
00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:50,759
with your son-in-laws and your family
that are here close by is that the owner

84
00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:57,240
of the house has to have somebody to be
able to respond within 25 minutes should

85
00:07:53,879 --> 00:08:00,919
something occur that become a nuisance I
think the last thing that anybody wants

86
00:07:59,039 --> 00:08:05,080
to have have happened is to disrupt the
family quiet neighborhood or or put

87
00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:09,720
Children at Risk and I don't think that
we've had any incidents with the ones

88
00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:13,919
that we've had so far that I know of um
so just on my behalf of of stating to

89
00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:19,520
Tri to address your concerns I think
that we've well detailed that out in our

90
00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:24,240
our current code so um does anybody have
any questions

91
00:08:21,039 --> 00:08:33,039
regarding the the request for the Dr
from our go ahead well uh since

92
00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:38,120
we in the past I was pres for one of
them I don't know the street it was an

93
00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:47,959
R2 it
was okay um Rollins was R1 sne Street

94
00:08:42,959 --> 00:08:55,959
R2 Airbnb is a company Vero is a company
that's not a defined type of housing

95
00:08:51,600 --> 00:09:00,480
they have a contract with you and then
the proposed tenants have a contract

96
00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:07,480
with them also or with you
the cont the contract is with me but

97
00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:14,000
part of having BRBO or Airbnb if you use
it that way is it also vets people a lot

98
00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:17,480
of the people that come through there um
at even as someone if they come into

99
00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:23,560
your home if they come in there to rent
it they get rated as well as somebody

100
00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:28,720
that stays there they are rated as a as
a bad person so everybody that's on vvo

101
00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:33,600
that has a property whether it's good or
bad able to put a comment on there also

102
00:09:31,079 --> 00:09:39,959
so if they go somewhere else that it can
be you know they they're there are

103
00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:44,519
things to protect the people in place
whether it's you as the owner of the

104
00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:48,760
property with a lease with even like you
said even with Betty when I rented my

105
00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:52,680
initial with Betty and continued with
her for a little bit I had to sign a

106
00:09:51,519 --> 00:10:00,760
paper with
her so primarily it's going to be with

107
00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:06,200
me right as the police department or to
your knowledge either the property

108
00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:12,440
owners of the other properties had that
they W able to deal with been any

109
00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:15,680
complaints from the citizens about these
not that I'm aware of from the existing

110
00:10:13,959 --> 00:10:21,880
ones that we have yes I don't I don't
think we've heard anything

111
00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:25,720
um in the in the aspect of anything
happened or any problems have been

112
00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:29,800
brought to our attention I don't if
anybody else is or

113
00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:33,480
anything I mean I know
Betty was happy enough with it she's

114
00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:39,040
doing a second one right
so I mean I myself I use VB quite

115
00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:43,480
extensively so I'm familiar with what
you have to sign to be able to rent one

116
00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:47,800
of these properties
[Music]

117
00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:54,600
and like
41 is that Chris yeah and I can I mean I

118
00:10:51,959 --> 00:10:58,040
personally can say that when you go in
to rent one of these you're making an

119
00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,320
investment so most
people here

120
00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:09,839
from joining Chris's party so most
people that are going to rent one of

121
00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:14,839
these properties they have to put down
us you know they're putting down quite a

122
00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:20,279
bit of money ahead of time and then
they're investing into this so it's not

123
00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:25,440
it's not something that's not very well
detailed out just from my experience so

124
00:11:22,079 --> 00:11:31,399
for what it's worth I mean I've never
had a I've never been able to rent a

125
00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:39,360
property that didn't require quite a
commitment you mention the current owner

126
00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:44,120
is looking at having a second operation
that means there's a public demand for

127
00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:48,440
these facilities in town seems to be we
got three we have three right now and I

128
00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,279
I would imagine that if Betty had put
the first she put in Rollin Street and

129
00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:54,399
then she's putting in that second one
and I can imagine if she didn't have the

130
00:11:52,800 --> 00:12:01,360
demand she would probably not make that
investment no bet but that's my opinion

131
00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:07,519
me sorry I'm auy I live at 320 southman
um I'm her daughter her middle daughter

132
00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:12,040
um when like she brought this idea to us
especially with like my sister and us

133
00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:17,760
living pretty close by and local like
we're just three blocks over I've talked

134
00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:21,839
to friends I'm friends with people here
and they a lot of people have said even

135
00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:27,480
people in Columbia they're like that'd
be great for like I know it's not close

136
00:12:24,839 --> 00:12:32,639
to like mou games and stuff but you run
out of places to stay where it's close

137
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:37,320
enough to get back and forth and then
also with second Saturdays like blowing

138
00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:42,360
up and now Allen Street social is doing
like brunches and they're open on

139
00:12:39,079 --> 00:12:47,040
Sundays and things like that since like
the community is picking up I've had

140
00:12:44,279 --> 00:12:51,560
multiple people tell me or even as sad
as like people coming into town last

141
00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:57,920
minute for funerals and not having to
drive from Colombia or Mexico or

142
00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:01,639
Mobberly and being local for the
visitations and in the dinners and

143
00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:06,079
things like that a lot of people have
broughten those uh things up to me

144
00:13:04,959 --> 00:13:11,199
they're like actually that's a really
good idea sellia already has three they

145
00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:16,120
fill up so fast like Betty was telling
me with deer season she's been booked up

146
00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:20,880
for you know a month in advance and
stuff like that and weddings and

147
00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:25,079
graduations so I mean I've noticed and
heard that there's like a demand for

148
00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:30,399
these things I mean I also I mean I
personally know

149
00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:34,360
of from my own experience I know
somebody in the community that's an

150
00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:38,839
older person and their family when they
come to visit will will rent out and

151
00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:43,000
every they bring their family and their
kids and they don't have enough space to

152
00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:47,880
stay with you know their mother so they
rent things out to stay local and be

153
00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:51,839
able to do things around the holidays so
and just on occasion so I do know those

154
00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:56,440
instances it also kind of creates the
demand for these and the kind ofunity

155
00:13:53,399 --> 00:14:01,120
kind of like this where you have that um
that situation probably quite frequently

156
00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:05,040
with no tells there's no place to say
you received the application

157
00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:17,399
mhm we did all the advertising and signs
and the yards and everything with no

158
00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:22,079
complications but all the correct time
frame and I recommend that you keep a

159
00:14:20,079 --> 00:14:27,680
copy from the newspaper to put in the
file on

160
00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:34,920
this so uh all the technical parts of
this have been de boxed just checked

161
00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:39,959
right okay they still need to go through
and actually get a business license for

162
00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:47,920
this if we prove
it okay um yeah there's a short there's

163
00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:53,320
a onetime short-term rental application
and then each year after that um that's

164
00:14:51,079 --> 00:15:00,680
just the business
license and if they do it now they get

165
00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,680
to pay now and again in January

166
00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:15,320
yeah anybody else have anything I think
it feels a a big need in

167
00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,320
town

168
00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:23,920
hotels I think it does too personally
I'm I'm I'm always a fan of thebo but I

169
00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:30,600
use them so it
feel um I'm somewhat concerned stayed

170
00:15:27,079 --> 00:15:30,600
one last night

171
00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:41,319
I have a need for one for or four days
myself person just while stuff on the

172
00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:46,240
house yeah that's a good point too I
don't if you heard what Chris was saying

173
00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:49,360
was that he himself could use it you
know while he's gotten he's getting

174
00:15:47,759 --> 00:15:53,040
stuff worked on his house you could stay
at a you

175
00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:56,519
know a rental here in town on a
short-term basis in order to fill that

176
00:15:54,800 --> 00:16:02,800
need
so my my biggest concern is R1 uh that

177
00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:09,199
single family residential now you turn
it into a it's more than just a uh a

178
00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:13,560
lease where you're leasing out a house
to somebody for a year or so it's short

179
00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:17,399
term you rapid
turnover I have some concerns about that

180
00:16:15,959 --> 00:16:24,240
I don't really have any concerns at all
in R2 and R3 but R1 people who buy in a

181
00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:30,519
residential neighborhood they buy
because it's basically over occupied

182
00:16:31,959 --> 00:16:38,680
my my statement to that would be if you
had an owner that occupied the house all

183
00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:43,120
the time these places AR all the time as
much traffic or more traffic well I

184
00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:46,040
understand Ian so it's not going to
create a whole lot more

185
00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:55,279
traffic and don't we already have one in
R1 the Rollin street is R1 is R1 so we

186
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:59,880
already have kind of a precedence there
where we've already allowed it in

187
00:16:57,199 --> 00:17:03,280
R1 and is allowed as a conditional use
in

188
00:17:00,959 --> 00:17:07,959
R1 yes
that's decision made the standard is

189
00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:13,760
been set
now I believe that the contract requires

190
00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:20,720
the maintenance on the
facility to be hel to a higher standard

191
00:17:16,919 --> 00:17:27,400
than anything The Government Can require
own Association probably but the city

192
00:17:23,959 --> 00:17:30,400
can't come up to the same standards of
pay

193
00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:42,360
Contra is that your understanding yes
there is I have the if I'm not here then

194
00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:46,559
my daughters and their husbands they do
between the cleaning we have a what is

195
00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:51,280
the
ozone like an ozone machine that you

196
00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:55,080
clear the air out and stuff after
somebody leaves the ozone machine goes

197
00:17:53,160 --> 00:18:01,559
into each room for a certain period of
time to clear the air out the and then

198
00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:04,760
they're cleaned thoroughly and I mean
you could all leave here and go over

199
00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:13,559
there now and you would walk in and go
oh okay because it it's clean thoroughly

200
00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:18,880
I've went through it and um made sure
that everything is done in it um showers

201
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:23,039
are reced that everything everything
that's necessary is there and yes it is

202
00:18:20,919 --> 00:18:30,480
held to a little bit of a higher
standard um because people will will rat

203
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:36,720
you out if you are a a bad person as far
as a a owner or

204
00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:40,840
VRBO um rep they will go on there and
they will say this

205
00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:46,440
place they will let you know anything
and everything about it I I can tell you

206
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:50,640
I've had I did have one bad experience
in renting the place and um we called

207
00:18:49,159 --> 00:18:55,440
the company we called the person we
rented it from and they moved us that

208
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,919
very next morning and found a different
place for us to stay and the person that

209
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:03,679
was
the owner of that property was removed

210
00:19:01,559 --> 00:19:08,159
from being able to rent their property
through them any longer so these

211
00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:12,360
companies do hold them to a pretty high
standard because it's their business too

212
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:16,840
I mean they're they're Gathering fees
off of this as well and you know they

213
00:19:14,159 --> 00:19:23,559
get a bad rep then Susan what you said
earlier though about with VRBO and the

214
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:28,520
fees the fees are a little crazy but I
believe that that also that also

215
00:19:25,679 --> 00:19:32,480
protects the owners of the property from
people who come in you're not going to

216
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:37,960
tear up the property with the amount of
money that you're paying the rbo in

217
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:41,640
these different fees forget the taxes
but the other fees that you're paying

218
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:45,960
you're not going to tear up their
property it's not that type of a I don't

219
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:50,559
know if you want to say clientele or
people

220
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:55,720
or yeah demographic it's it's not that
type of type of um

221
00:19:55,919 --> 00:20:04,840
thing this I looked at the neighborhood
there

222
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:08,520
are I particulars but there are some
houses that I don't know whether the

223
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:12,720
rentals or owner
occupied they aren't nearly as good

224
00:20:10,919 --> 00:20:16,600
they're looking at the property that's
there don't look at my next door

225
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,240
neighbor

226
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:32,840
so there's no guarantees no matter how
you treat property I understand H's

227
00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:38,520
concern but we the board at the time
that this was adopted decid that it was

228
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:42,159
potentially possible to have one of
these in any Zone

229
00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:51,520
yeah I still I mean I mean the damage I
mean to me I mean significant damage

230
00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:57,120
risk is actually more on the side of the
owner I mean they're taking on that risk

231
00:20:54,320 --> 00:21:00,880
of somebody coming in and creating
damage but I also kind of I mean I know

232
00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:05,360
it sounds like I'm advocating for this
but I like I I feel like it's been

233
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:09,320
successful for what we've done so my
opinion is is that I don't think that

234
00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:14,679
we're the type of community that you're
going to see a you know bunch

235
00:21:12,679 --> 00:21:19,559
of people that want to come here and
have some wild and crazy party in the

236
00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:24,880
middle of Calia yeah like it's not like
colia where you have missou and stens

237
00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:32,480
you risk that more in the Columbia area
probably so but um How likely are how

238
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,480
easy is it to change these rules if it

239
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,720
doesn't for

240
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:42,200
everybody think we have to have a
meeting about

241
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:47,559
it if you wanted to pass new rules you'd
have to either have an ordinance to

242
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:52,080
adopt those rules and or an ordinance to
say

243
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:57,600
that sta May develop from time to time
rules that apply but You' have to have

244
00:21:55,559 --> 00:22:02,600
basically Amendment and some sort to
there is there any ordinance and public

245
00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:05,760
hearing for that and then an ordinance
passed by because I've read that

246
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:11,360
Columbia has had some problems that they
have Revisited their policies what

247
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:14,960
they're going to allow so I and I
suspect that we're not going to have

248
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:19,440
some of the problems that clumpy does
that's why I asked whether there have

249
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:22,600
been any Police Department or
neighborhood concerns

250
00:22:23,159 --> 00:22:29,960
reported I've heard nothing I think
we'll have less trouble with this than

251
00:22:27,159 --> 00:22:29,960
just a general REM

252
00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:45,120
um my observation is that as long as you
have

253
00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:50,520
isolated rentals like this or BNB
airbnbs you're probably not dealing with

254
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:54,120
the same concern as if you had a whole
neighborhood nothing but

255
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,520
rentals I I think there's a couple of
points here first of all they don't keep

256
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:06,360
their properties up they don't keep
their high ratings it's a business they

257
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:12,679
they won't be in business because people
not right people discriminating plac I

258
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:17,440
stayed last night I
between that they were all five star and

259
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:21,559
they all were super hose that's what I
look for and so the cim and all that

260
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:28,400
goes into effect and if we start to have
any problems uh remotely like Columbia

261
00:23:24,919 --> 00:23:33,080
does we need to address those correctly
a city in general period and we would

262
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:38,080
just have to make an amendment to
approach anything that uh gets out of PL

263
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,200
but I I really think these things police
themselves very well because of the

264
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,360
clientele people that come to these
places to stay plus you also have to

265
00:23:43,159 --> 00:23:48,279
have a credit card just like you have to
have a hotel that's reable because if

266
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,120
you tear the place up they got your
credit card and you're going to fix

267
00:23:50,039 --> 00:23:56,279
everything that you tear up so I mean
bottom line is I think there's a lot of

268
00:23:53,799 --> 00:24:00,080
safety precautions in place uh to
protect the residential area or I

269
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:04,720
wouldn't be afford all at all you know
at all myself so I don't think that's a

270
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:08,919
real big risk but likeu anything you
have to keep an eye on it because it

271
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:15,159
could at any time somebody could run it
for for for the owner probably not not

272
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:18,400
all of them but for the
owner they have

273
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:26,399
to I would like sorry firstr I would
like to point out too one other thing

274
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:32,880
that when you when you do go through and
rent one of these you rent based off of

275
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:37,480
capacity so it's a four-bedroom home I'm
guessing you're probably at a a six

276
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:43,399
maybe depending on the size of the rooms
maybe 8 person capacity Max and any

277
00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:47,320
violation of that would be a violation
of the agreement so it clearly states in

278
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:53,960
there that there's a maximum number of
allowed guests um so when you're going

279
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:58,480
through so huh the ordinance has a limit
too two for bedroom yeah so that's what

280
00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:03,960
I'm saying 6 to8 probably for this
property with the four B and that's what

281
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:10,080
it's set up for yeah so um I just wanted
to point that out as a as an additional

282
00:25:06,399 --> 00:25:15,120
I think you know safety measure in not
having you know risking having a 20 part

283
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:20,840
person party show up for a four
bedroomroom house in our town and as the

284
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:26,720
owner you also have to I mean I do I
brought it but my homeowners insurance

285
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:33,480
which has been increased to cover you
know to cover this type of thing um as

286
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:37,159
well as the other part of it is that the
people coming in town and staying

287
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:42,559
locally it is going to bring some
Revenue additional Revenue to the to

288
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:45,919
Calia and you know some people come in
who may never have been here before and

289
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:50,520
there may be others who come back and go
wow the town is really starting to grow

290
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:55,440
and it's becoming you know it's really
up it's starting to be an upcoming place

291
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:59,600
to be and just a visit and it it truly
is like a little Hallmark Town track

292
00:25:57,919 --> 00:26:04,600
parade with all the stuff that goes on
through the it is it is it's a great

293
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:08,120
place to have a family and be it is and
and honestly we don't really have places

294
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:14,159
for people to stay so this is with in
light of having a hotel this is what we'

295
00:26:10,399 --> 00:26:14,159
got so it's my

296
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:23,360
opinion anything
else all right so I can open this to

297
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:30,760
vote whether we're all those in favor of
the sorry what i' like it I recommend

298
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:37,720
that you have a little longer than just
a y or vote okay because this becomes

299
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:42,600
the basis if anybody has a a valid
objection of the

300
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:48,840
ordinance U so I move that the Planning
and Zoning commission finds that the

301
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:54,799
applicant has submitted a valid
application and the staff has fulfilled

302
00:26:52,520 --> 00:27:03,640
all of the requirements for advertising
in public notice based on Tony here and

303
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:09,440
that based on that plus the questions
and answers of tonight's public hearing

304
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:15,559
that the commission votes to approve a
conditional use permit as a short-term

305
00:27:12,679 --> 00:27:20,640
rental for that property I needed the
motion anyway I did Rush that they can

306
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:25,720
play it back are
we

307
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:31,120
abely told you it's been a
while so do we have so that's your

308
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:35,360
motion that's my motion good luck with
that I didn't write it all

309
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:41,519
down you wanted to you
got can you repeat

310
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:48,360
that she missed most so all those in
favor of the

311
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:48,360
motion as it was stated by

312
00:27:49,880 --> 00:28:01,159
Len yes I I oppose to the
motion I I'll vote in favor I still have

313
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:04,840
some concerns I do think it's something
that we'll need to keep an eye on but

314
00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:10,240
I'll vote in
favor okay

315
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:18,640
so at this point in time the motion
passes motion passes

316
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:24,519
now before midnight or whenever anybody
present still objects to the granting of

317
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:30,679
this condition of use permit there's a
very brief petition that can be signed

318
00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:38,919
as a formal written
objection and in that

319
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:45,760
case our motion is null and void and if
the owner wants to pursue the matter

320
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:51,120
needs to go to board of adjustment which
is

321
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:54,120
a similar but more complicated and
detailed

322
00:28:55,559 --> 00:29:05,679
process it's never happened but I was
say not just for this any I'm saying

323
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:11,039
I've this while remember that ever
happened to so I think there was one

324
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:15,720
where somebody objected and they went
and they kind the person objecting went

325
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:22,519
and uh
basically

326
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:29,320
did an agreement on principles and was
willing to withdraw their objection so

327
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:29,320
that the motion would stand

328
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:40,519
that's what happens in small
times so so we have a pass motion so

329
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:48,519
this concludes
the public hearing and the item five on

330
00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:55,120
the agenda for the VB vbo property at
222 and how do we want to handle like so

331
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:59,880
we have as may rise coming up we can um
allow I allow that during that okay so

332
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:04,279
the next item on the agenda is as May or
I so you can bring forward

333
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:13,080
your
your item Lind Bor at 800 Jason Court

334
00:30:08,919 --> 00:30:19,159
yes um I would like to see this board do
an ordinance or regulation I don't know

335
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:25,200
how what it would need for when somebody
builds a new house in any part of town

336
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:30,720
that they put a sidewalk
in there's a whole section in the

337
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:38,320
Northwest part of this town north of the
railroad tracks there's been I counted

338
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:45,640
them up today five new either duplexes
or houses built and not a single

339
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:51,279
sidewalk is on any of it and about four
of them were all built at the same time

340
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:55,840
and should have had sidewalks built so I
would like it to make some sort of a

341
00:30:53,240 --> 00:31:02,200
rule whatever it needs to be that
anytime a house is built built sidewalks

342
00:30:58,919 --> 00:31:07,720
have to be built if it's in an area that
we've never had sidewalks right across

343
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:13,960
the street from her there's a sidewalk
but in her whole side there north of the

344
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:20,320
electric building there is not a single
sidewalk with old older dwellings there

345
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:25,240
also though no there's no well Doug
Brown owns two of them but then Darren

346
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:30,039
bought a bunch of property or somebody
did and built four houses

347
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:34,639
and then there's the two duplexes and
then the two little houses that Crockers

348
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:39,279
built sorry I'm nameing names and then
somebody else owns a duplex to the south

349
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:45,200
of and those have all been built
probably in five six years maybe 10 on a

350
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:52,120
couple of them at the most but not a
single sidewalk was put in on on North

351
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:57,960
Columbia
and okay they were there so we didn't

352
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:03,639
there may not have been but
there is an adopted City policy by

353
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:08,240
resolution govering sidewalks for new
subdivisions your concern is address

354
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:13,240
because yes they have to they have to Wi
those and they need to have them in

355
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:18,880
place by a certain time by the time they
get their certificate of occum right

356
00:32:15,639 --> 00:32:23,279
correct but I mean I'm just talking you
know we've got houses popping up all

357
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:27,200
over town where people I mean I don't
know if the one cost from uses and if

358
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:31,279
they they put in a new sidewalk did they
but there are others that have not and

359
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:35,039
when we did ours I think we just Lo out
the sidewalk was getting replaced at

360
00:32:32,919 --> 00:32:39,360
well you had an existing sidewalk so
yeah I think I think that's the issue is

361
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:44,880
that some of the newer homes are bued up
to older homes who didn't have those

362
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:48,039
same type of regulations so you can make
somebody put in a sidewalk at new

363
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:53,519
construction and then they're going to
stop and walk across the grass where the

364
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:58,720
older home is I think that's part of the
issue that that may well be but at some

365
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:04,279
time hopefully y those houses and I know
I'm talking 20 30 years down the road

366
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:10,679
you know that houses those older houses
will be replaced but those five four

367
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:15,799
that they put on F and Wilder and on
north of that those were all put in at

368
00:33:13,399 --> 00:33:22,360
the same time and there's no reason why
they weren't sidewalked price but that's

369
00:33:19,639 --> 00:33:27,080
beside the point price is included in
all the other subdivisions when it comes

370
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:32,200
to sidewalks and another one is the
houses over here on brutin they built

371
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:36,919
two brand new houses the one there was
an old sidewalk there and one was not

372
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:41,799
put back in the other they put a
sidewalk on the one side but not on the

373
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:47,760
other and in a subdivision you put in
both sidewalks if you're on a corner

374
00:33:45,159 --> 00:33:51,840
irregardless that's something I
recommend I mean it's just something I

375
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:56,600
want you to look at I mean there's never
going to be sidewalks put in over there

376
00:33:54,080 --> 00:34:00,840
yeah say I if I have to walk door to
door knock on somebody's door and say

377
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:06,080
Hey you have to put a sidewalk in I want
you to stand next to me so that way

378
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:11,760
there's two of us not one I'm saying in
the future man I'm talking about in the

379
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:20,520
future we need to have something place
when you're building house

380
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:25,879
putw yeah yeah I mean that's that's all
I'm ask cuz our daughter lives over

381
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:28,879
there and she doesn't have a
sidewalk

382
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:39,119
right if there's no sidewalk on that
entire Street there's no reason to put

383
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:44,440
it on one house because it will never go
anywhere there's absolutely no reason

384
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:50,280
make a house put a sidewalk one one
house there's y we'll take a look at it

385
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:56,359
I mean it's just something to look at
yep all right so we'll take that up with

386
00:34:52,599 --> 00:35:01,560
Council you guys remind them I guess
there are several documents that say

387
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:08,800
it's the aspiration of the city to get
all sidewalks to place we have an 8 plan

388
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:15,119
I don't know where is at that says we
have that as a goal uh it was

389
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:20,480
included basically
in U resolutions to clearing the major

390
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:26,400
streets that we were going to start
building at cing Gutter and

391
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:30,760
sidewalk uh don't think we got very far
down that before we ran into schools and

392
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:35,320
a couple other things that need the
sidewalks

393
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:42,320
more I mean if you
don't you know it won't happen right I

394
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:50,440
have a question who pays for that does
does a homeowner or the city right right

395
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:56,200
now the homeowner has to two State
Standards even if it crosses driveway

396
00:35:52,800 --> 00:36:00,880
then it's going to be even sicker um or
the develop

397
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:04,960
in a new subdivision which then still is
a property owner when they buy the house

398
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:10,359
it's in the
price so ultimately it's p the house

399
00:36:08,839 --> 00:36:14,040
you're going to pay for it I mean like
over there where you guys live that's

400
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:20,520
never going to get C and gutter for so
we're all long

401
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:25,200
gone still and it might not be still and
she does I check there's four parking

402
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:30,400
places there so even if she has eight
people there and however many ours so

403
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:38,200
she's I checked that
today all right then so um

404
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:43,359
you're I your issue has been noted and
I'm sure that they will fall up on it so

405
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,839
is there anything else for the asme
section of this anybody else have

406
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,760
anything they like to bring bring
something up what that we discussed

407
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:55,680
several things with the uh subdivision
regulations the last uh that were in our

408
00:36:52,319 --> 00:37:00,920
minutes from last time where are we with
those we're in discussions with one of

409
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:04,040
our on call engineers and they're
assisting us with it and I'll be

410
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,560
bringing it back to the planning Zing
commission to look at when I car

411
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:14,079
from
it does anybody have anything

412
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:17,880
else this brings us to item seven which
is the adjournment of this meeting do we

413
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:24,280
have a motion to adjourn I make a motion
we adjourn we have a second second all

414
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:29,480
those in favor of a journey I all
anybody not in favor of a journey

415
00:37:27,319 --> 00:37:32,480
all right thank you
all