1 00:00:00,133 --> 00:00:04,066 - For 30 years, the State College community Land Trust has 2 00:00:04,066 --> 00:00:06,033 been creating a community where the people 3 00:00:06,133 --> 00:00:10,066 who work here can afford to live, grow, and belong. 4 00:00:10,734 --> 00:00:14,500 We've created and preserved 56 permanently affordable homes, 5 00:00:14,900 --> 00:00:18,066 opening the door to home ownership for more than 80 families 6 00:00:19,033 --> 00:00:22,033 with energy efficient upgrades, green building 7 00:00:22,567 --> 00:00:24,233 and clean energy investments. 8 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:27,266 Our homeowners enjoy lower utility costs 9 00:00:27,867 --> 00:00:30,300 and affordable homes that last for generations. 10 00:00:31,333 --> 00:00:33,634 Our programs serve low to moderate 11 00:00:33,934 --> 00:00:35,634 and middle income individuals 12 00:00:35,634 --> 00:00:38,767 and families who want to live in state college. 13 00:00:39,667 --> 00:00:42,500 None of this would be possible without our extended 14 00:00:42,567 --> 00:00:47,066 community of dedicated staff, volunteers, local businesses 15 00:00:47,066 --> 00:00:51,066 and banks, and our nonprofit partners Join the movement, 16 00:00:51,900 --> 00:00:55,834 donate, volunteer, leave a Legacy through planned giving, 17 00:00:56,367 --> 00:00:57,500 share our story. 18 00:00:58,066 --> 00:01:01,033 Visit SCC land trust.org. 19 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:08,100 - We are the Community Diversity Group. 20 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:10,634 Our mission is to foster an inclusive 21 00:01:10,867 --> 00:01:13,100 and interactive community, which attracts 22 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:15,133 and retains a pool of potential employees 23 00:01:15,166 --> 00:01:17,433 and residents from underrepresented groups. 24 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:20,033 We accomplish this in many ways, 25 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:23,500 including sponsoring events like the Community Resource Fair 26 00:01:23,867 --> 00:01:26,000 publishing, a monthly resource flyer, 27 00:01:26,166 --> 00:01:28,367 and providing public training and educational 28 00:01:28,433 --> 00:01:29,533 and networking events. 29 00:01:30,367 --> 00:01:34,100 You can find us online@communitydiversitygroup.com. 30 00:01:37,367 --> 00:01:40,266 - You are watching CNET Centre County Government 31 00:01:40,266 --> 00:01:41,934 and Educational Access Network. 32 00:01:47,867 --> 00:01:49,100 - All right, good afternoon everyone. 33 00:01:49,100 --> 00:01:51,100 We'll call the August 31st, had meeting 34 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:52,533 to order first on the agenda, 35 00:01:52,533 --> 00:01:53,567 please join me in the Pledge 36 00:01:53,567 --> 00:01:58,567 of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance 37 00:01:59,066 --> 00:02:01,634 - To the flag of the United States America, 38 00:02:02,133 --> 00:02:04,233 and to the Republic for which it stands, 39 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:08,266 one nation under God, indivisible, liberty, 40 00:02:08,467 --> 00:02:09,567 and justice for all. 41 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:15,133 - Thank you, Christie. Was there any Public Comment? No. No. 42 00:02:15,133 --> 00:02:17,934 Okay. So we're gonna move into presentations. 43 00:02:18,133 --> 00:02:20,300 I believe we're waiting for a couple guests to arrive 44 00:02:20,333 --> 00:02:22,000 for the first one, so we're gonna 45 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:23,100 come back to that in a moment. 46 00:02:23,233 --> 00:02:26,367 So we'll have Stephanie from CNET come up. 47 00:02:26,433 --> 00:02:27,567 And first of all, 48 00:02:27,567 --> 00:02:29,567 congratulations on your promotion, Stephanie. 49 00:02:29,734 --> 00:02:32,700 Thank you. And you're gonna tell us all about CNET. 50 00:02:34,867 --> 00:02:37,000 - Hi everybody. It's a very full room today. 51 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:38,934 I'm Stephanie Yeager. 52 00:02:39,834 --> 00:02:41,834 Most of you in the room, most of you in the room 53 00:02:42,867 --> 00:02:44,066 probably recognize me as the woman, 54 00:02:44,066 --> 00:02:45,333 formerly behind the camera. 55 00:02:46,867 --> 00:02:49,500 But I've, with Cindy Han's Retirement, 56 00:02:49,634 --> 00:02:51,066 I've been promoted to director. 57 00:02:51,767 --> 00:02:55,100 We're having a, we're having a great time. We're Tiffany. 58 00:02:55,100 --> 00:02:59,533 Tiffany and Jess are behind the camera and equipment today. 59 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:02,700 Tiffany has been with us about 10 years, 60 00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:06,133 and Jess was an intern who became a part-time producer, 61 00:03:06,634 --> 00:03:09,033 moved away after graduation and came back for this position. 62 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:12,133 So we're happy to have them today. 63 00:03:12,667 --> 00:03:15,500 So if you wanna go ahead in advance a little bit, 64 00:03:15,734 --> 00:03:19,467 this is our 2025 annual report for cada. 65 00:03:19,867 --> 00:03:22,767 We're getting a little bit late in 2026 for this report. 66 00:03:23,500 --> 00:03:26,567 Our, our transition at CNET, delayed, delayed 67 00:03:26,567 --> 00:03:28,033 that a little bit, but here we are today. 68 00:03:28,033 --> 00:03:31,867 It's good to be here. So, highlights from 2025. 69 00:03:32,767 --> 00:03:35,634 CNET as a whole covered 496 programs, 70 00:03:36,667 --> 00:03:38,367 and that was with a staff of seven. 71 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:41,000 Currently five of seven 72 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,834 of us are in new positions this year, 73 00:03:43,433 --> 00:03:44,700 in the second half of the year. 74 00:03:44,867 --> 00:03:48,233 So we're going through quite an 75 00:03:48,233 --> 00:03:50,266 adjustment with Cindy's retirement. 76 00:03:50,266 --> 00:03:53,634 Cindy was with us for 20 years, but you're in safe hands. 77 00:03:53,867 --> 00:03:56,867 I've been with the organization going on a quarter century, 78 00:03:57,667 --> 00:04:00,100 so if that makes anyone in the room feel young, I hope so. 79 00:04:01,634 --> 00:04:05,066 And so, so we're, we're getting into the groove. 80 00:04:05,166 --> 00:04:08,700 We've been in our positions now for about three months and, 81 00:04:08,834 --> 00:04:09,834 and things are going well. 82 00:04:12,133 --> 00:04:15,066 Closed captioning is still going at this time. 83 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:19,000 15 of our 17 members, including cada, are opting into that. 84 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,100 So that really helps check a lot of boxes 85 00:04:21,266 --> 00:04:25,033 for the municipalities who need a D, 86 00:04:25,066 --> 00:04:26,367 a accessibility and things like that. 87 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:29,700 And we do applaud CAA for participating in that. 88 00:04:29,834 --> 00:04:31,467 I'm not familiar with your requirements, 89 00:04:31,934 --> 00:04:33,300 but you're participating 90 00:04:33,634 --> 00:04:37,533 and not all of the age authorities who participate when 91 00:04:37,533 --> 00:04:39,834 with us are doing that. 92 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:44,367 But cada is, Comcast began upgrading the way 93 00:04:44,367 --> 00:04:49,033 that we go live from remote locations in 2025. 94 00:04:49,066 --> 00:04:51,066 And that project is about to wrap up. 95 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,567 We are, I've put out fiber jumpers at locations last week, 96 00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,567 and we're right now waiting for the replacement of our, 97 00:05:00,734 --> 00:05:02,567 our broadcast server, which will be the final, 98 00:05:02,667 --> 00:05:03,867 final piece of this puzzle. 99 00:05:04,233 --> 00:05:08,000 We did move up that replacement a year to this year 100 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:10,533 to, to help. 101 00:05:10,934 --> 00:05:12,033 It just made a lot more sense 102 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:14,133 to have our whole equipment be fresh. 103 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:18,300 So I don't believe that our, our members 104 00:05:18,433 --> 00:05:21,233 or our users will see much difference from that. 105 00:05:21,934 --> 00:05:23,066 It'll be mainly on our backend, 106 00:05:23,233 --> 00:05:25,634 but we're gonna see if there's any efficiencies 107 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:28,467 or additional services 108 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:30,100 that may come from that new equipment. 109 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:34,700 Next slide, please. In 2025, 110 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:36,100 CADA did 10 meetings 111 00:05:36,133 --> 00:05:37,133 and one Public Hearing 112 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:39,467 that was a little bit down from the previous year. 113 00:05:39,934 --> 00:05:44,033 And overall for 2025, that was about 2.1% 114 00:05:44,033 --> 00:05:46,467 of all CNET programming for that year. 115 00:05:47,734 --> 00:05:49,000 So you're kind of like a baby member, 116 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,500 which I'll show you here in the next slide. 117 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:56,367 So in the, this is our usage over the past five years 118 00:05:57,100 --> 00:05:59,767 and members in our funding formula, 119 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:01,500 which cattle will eventually become, 120 00:06:03,166 --> 00:06:08,066 we look at a five year average of usage so 121 00:06:08,066 --> 00:06:11,100 that it prevents any one year of a spike 122 00:06:11,033 --> 00:06:14,333 or a dip from affecting anyone's budgets too, too greatly. 123 00:06:14,834 --> 00:06:17,333 So you're still building, building your five year history. 124 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:22,867 In 2024, you had, I think 16, 15, sorry, 125 00:06:22,867 --> 00:06:24,133 I wasn't moving along myself. 126 00:06:24,433 --> 00:06:25,533 15.1. 127 00:06:26,166 --> 00:06:28,467 And then you dropped to 11, you had some 128 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,133 public hearings additional in 2024, 129 00:06:32,433 --> 00:06:35,467 and I think that was the year of your 50th anniversary 130 00:06:35,467 --> 00:06:37,367 that we covered special program there. 131 00:06:37,467 --> 00:06:38,634 I hope you found that to be nice. 132 00:06:38,634 --> 00:06:41,066 Tiffany and I were out there for that. 133 00:06:42,166 --> 00:06:43,333 So what that means 134 00:06:43,433 --> 00:06:47,333 for ADA in the meantime is we are calculating it based on, 135 00:06:48,166 --> 00:06:51,266 not the history, but on a reasonable expectation of usage. 136 00:06:52,133 --> 00:06:57,000 Next slide please. I got a little ahead of my slides, 137 00:06:57,066 --> 00:06:59,333 but yeah, we use a fund, a five year rolling average 138 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:04,000 to keep member membership predictability predictable 139 00:07:05,367 --> 00:07:08,300 in the, in the five year average period 140 00:07:08,333 --> 00:07:12,367 that we're looking at, you were an especially baby member at 141 00:07:12,367 --> 00:07:15,500 9.99% of all member programming. 142 00:07:16,567 --> 00:07:17,934 And so, as I said, 143 00:07:18,433 --> 00:07:21,367 CAD's dues are based on a reasonable protection 144 00:07:21,433 --> 00:07:23,767 until reaching a five year history. 145 00:07:25,567 --> 00:07:30,500 Next slide please. So this is a usage of all members 146 00:07:31,667 --> 00:07:33,333 over those five years. 147 00:07:34,233 --> 00:07:36,033 The, the State College Borough 148 00:07:36,333 --> 00:07:39,700 and the county are our two greatest member 149 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,300 members as far as usage. 150 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:46,000 And then that little third yellow strip there is kada. 151 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,867 You are the baby member beating out the library, 152 00:07:51,634 --> 00:07:55,734 which you're at 0.99% and they're 1.02%. 153 00:07:55,934 --> 00:07:59,000 So it's a matter of a few bulletin board messages 154 00:07:59,066 --> 00:08:00,300 or an advertisement. 155 00:08:00,333 --> 00:08:02,066 It might make the difference if you're looking 156 00:08:02,367 --> 00:08:04,734 to get an edge there either way, I am not sure 157 00:08:04,734 --> 00:08:05,767 how you feel about it. 158 00:08:09,433 --> 00:08:11,867 You know, as I said, the Borough is our greatest, 159 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:14,500 most heavy user and ever, 160 00:08:14,667 --> 00:08:18,300 and everyone sort of falls in between, you know, 161 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:21,033 and the difference that it's made 162 00:08:21,033 --> 00:08:23,834 by whether you're just doing once a month meetings like 163 00:08:24,066 --> 00:08:28,367 Kata, is the county has weekly meetings 164 00:08:28,367 --> 00:08:30,066 that they are having us cover. 165 00:08:30,634 --> 00:08:32,000 So that really bumps theirs up. 166 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,100 And the Borough does their council meetings, 167 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,734 which are almost weekly planning commissions, 168 00:08:37,734 --> 00:08:40,000 which are a couple times a month, transportation, 169 00:08:40,033 --> 00:08:43,467 and also their community oversight board. 170 00:08:43,467 --> 00:08:46,700 So that's quite a difference in usage and that's why. 171 00:08:48,033 --> 00:08:51,533 Next slide, please. To watch us, 172 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:55,767 anyone can watch us on demand on our website, CNET one.org. 173 00:08:56,133 --> 00:08:57,934 We have all of our programming up, 174 00:08:58,033 --> 00:09:00,634 at least the meetings within 48 hours of recording. 175 00:09:00,834 --> 00:09:03,567 A lot of the times, it's a lot sooner than that. 176 00:09:04,367 --> 00:09:06,500 We produce a clickable agenda point. 177 00:09:06,667 --> 00:09:09,533 So if you have an item that you're interested in the agenda 178 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:12,467 that you just wanna hear the CNET presentation, 179 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:16,500 you can click ahead to that or click past it. 180 00:09:17,533 --> 00:09:19,100 Again, those are captioned. 181 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:20,734 Almost everything is captioned 182 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:24,000 and we leave everything up for about 24 months. 183 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,734 So you can revisit anything online in that time period. 184 00:09:27,934 --> 00:09:30,266 But beyond that, we do have archives in our office, 185 00:09:31,033 --> 00:09:34,133 which one of my projects is to convert things 186 00:09:34,367 --> 00:09:36,634 to the cloud and more backups. 187 00:09:36,667 --> 00:09:40,500 So, but you can order a digital download of anything 188 00:09:42,467 --> 00:09:43,734 to make it easy for you 189 00:09:43,734 --> 00:09:45,467 to receive if you need a copy of something. 190 00:09:46,133 --> 00:09:50,033 Next slide, please. Your meetings are televised on 191 00:09:50,233 --> 00:09:52,000 Comcast, on channel seven. 192 00:09:53,066 --> 00:09:55,767 Typically it's the week that you, you meet. 193 00:09:56,100 --> 00:10:00,266 So this Wednesday at 9:30 PM Fridays at 2:00 AM 194 00:10:00,934 --> 00:10:03,734 Saturdays at 8:00 AM Sundays at 4:00 PM 195 00:10:03,767 --> 00:10:04,767 Nice time in the afternoon. 196 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:09,266 And again, at all times on scene@one.org. Next slide please. 197 00:10:10,867 --> 00:10:13,066 We're also available beyond the website 198 00:10:13,133 --> 00:10:16,033 and beyond cable TV on over the top boxes 199 00:10:16,433 --> 00:10:20,133 and services like Apple tv, Roku, and Fire tv. 200 00:10:21,333 --> 00:10:23,533 Sometimes they bury our programming a little bit. 201 00:10:23,900 --> 00:10:26,867 So we have tutorials on how to find us at our website. 202 00:10:26,934 --> 00:10:28,567 You can, you can find them on there 203 00:10:28,567 --> 00:10:31,000 and watch to learn about it or call for help. 204 00:10:31,767 --> 00:10:33,834 Call our office for help. Next slide, please. 205 00:10:35,734 --> 00:10:38,500 Your viewer engagement. I consider it pretty high. 206 00:10:39,266 --> 00:10:41,734 So over the last like 18 months 207 00:10:43,367 --> 00:10:48,066 when I did this pres presentation, so you had a total 208 00:10:48,166 --> 00:10:52,133 of views on our website of 922 views 209 00:10:52,467 --> 00:10:55,533 for meetings that took place between January 1st 210 00:10:55,567 --> 00:10:58,033 of last year and June 30th of this year. 211 00:10:58,667 --> 00:11:02,700 And that is an average of 83.8 views per meeting. 212 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,033 So you are actually having a pretty good outreach 213 00:11:06,567 --> 00:11:08,634 that's higher than I've seen at some of the other, 214 00:11:09,634 --> 00:11:11,500 with the other recent presentations. 215 00:11:11,567 --> 00:11:13,767 I've given some of those average more in the sixties. 216 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:17,066 So you, whatever you're doing, 217 00:11:17,066 --> 00:11:18,333 you're, you're interesting the people. 218 00:11:18,667 --> 00:11:22,934 So that, that's a pretty good viewership from 219 00:11:22,934 --> 00:11:24,100 what I've seen so far. 220 00:11:25,066 --> 00:11:28,333 Next slide, please. That is a fast 221 00:11:28,333 --> 00:11:30,834 and furious product presentation from me. 222 00:11:31,734 --> 00:11:33,100 If I, if you have any questions, 223 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:34,266 I'll be happy to answer them. 224 00:11:35,066 --> 00:11:36,934 But before we get to that, I'd like to give a shout out 225 00:11:36,934 --> 00:11:40,700 to Christie Lows, who is our rep for cada to our board. 226 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:44,734 She was appointed in April. Yeah. 227 00:11:44,934 --> 00:11:46,300 So we're still, 228 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:48,033 she's still getting used to what we're doing. 229 00:11:48,033 --> 00:11:49,700 Before that, it was Lori Miller. 230 00:11:50,567 --> 00:11:52,567 And I did wanna say that CNET really does 231 00:11:52,667 --> 00:11:53,934 value your membership. 232 00:11:54,834 --> 00:11:56,300 I've been with the organization, as I said, 233 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:59,033 for over 20 years because I believe in our mission 234 00:11:59,433 --> 00:12:03,066 of transparency and making things available to the people. 235 00:12:03,700 --> 00:12:06,033 And comparatively the relationship between Canna 236 00:12:06,033 --> 00:12:07,767 and CNET is, is in its infancy. 237 00:12:08,033 --> 00:12:12,100 But I do look forward to, to hopefully a partnership 238 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:13,333 that will ask for many years to come. 239 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:16,533 So I am happy to answer any questions 240 00:12:17,233 --> 00:12:19,333 that you may have. Thanks. 241 00:12:20,066 --> 00:12:21,066 - Start - With V 242 00:12:21,634 --> 00:12:22,634 - Any questions? 243 00:12:22,634 --> 00:12:23,634 So Rob, 244 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000 - No, nothing from me. 245 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,634 Thank you. I know you've got one, 246 00:12:27,266 --> 00:12:30,500 - I know number one 247 00:12:31,333 --> 00:12:33,333 of the seven staff members that you have, 248 00:12:33,634 --> 00:12:35,467 are all them paid or compensated? 249 00:12:35,867 --> 00:12:38,634 Yes. Okay. And how many of those are full-time? 250 00:12:39,467 --> 00:12:42,467 - We have four full-time and three part-time right now. 251 00:12:42,734 --> 00:12:45,467 And then that's in addition to that, we have five interns 252 00:12:45,467 --> 00:12:48,066 for the summer, four of which are paid 253 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000 a stipend, not hourly. 254 00:12:50,300 --> 00:12:54,233 - Okay. And the captioning that's done by CNET, is 255 00:12:54,233 --> 00:12:55,266 that done through ai? 256 00:12:57,233 --> 00:12:58,734 - It is done, yeah. 257 00:12:58,867 --> 00:13:01,634 I believe it is done through ai through, through our service 258 00:13:01,867 --> 00:13:04,333 that, so our broadcast server provider, 259 00:13:06,166 --> 00:13:09,033 they also work on our, our online streaming. 260 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:11,033 And that is the service that we use to do it. 261 00:13:11,567 --> 00:13:14,500 We can give it some sort of keywords 262 00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:15,867 to use as far as spellings. 263 00:13:15,867 --> 00:13:18,100 If anyone has a, you know, Jaeger is a tricky one. 264 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:20,000 I can try to tell it how to spell Jaeger 265 00:13:20,934 --> 00:13:23,033 and it, it does a pretty good job at that. 266 00:13:24,133 --> 00:13:26,133 There was, I can tell you that Beon Borough, 267 00:13:26,533 --> 00:13:28,000 there was a dawn and, 268 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,834 and it was not spelling it right no matter 269 00:13:29,834 --> 00:13:31,033 how many times we put it in, 270 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:34,066 but I think that for the most part you can get the meaning 271 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:36,634 of what, what's going on, which is the purpose. 272 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:38,100 But yeah. 273 00:13:38,667 --> 00:13:42,734 - The last question, you said that cattle funds 0.99% 274 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:48,300 the programming, so is that 0.99% of your expenses 275 00:13:48,634 --> 00:13:50,066 or the total budget or what? 276 00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:53,634 - So when, for members that are in our funding formula, 277 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:55,233 which is not every member, 278 00:13:55,500 --> 00:14:00,500 so we have the COG SLO library and Penn State. 279 00:14:04,734 --> 00:14:08,900 And so they're pay as you go members that sort of get billed 280 00:14:09,767 --> 00:14:12,233 off of a rate card for every meeting 281 00:14:12,333 --> 00:14:13,767 or program that they want to do. 282 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:16,300 Ca is in the funding formula. 283 00:14:17,567 --> 00:14:21,133 And so it's kind of like we take out, you know, 284 00:14:21,433 --> 00:14:25,000 those other participants and what's left of the operating. 285 00:14:25,166 --> 00:14:27,734 You don't really pay for our capital budget. 286 00:14:28,533 --> 00:14:30,367 The members pay for our operating budget. 287 00:14:30,567 --> 00:14:32,734 So that's, you know, that is the bulk of the budget. 288 00:14:33,734 --> 00:14:38,266 But it is personnel insurance, you know, computer, 289 00:14:38,533 --> 00:14:40,667 you know, well not computer, like subscriptions 290 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,467 and production supplies that we need on a daily basis. 291 00:14:44,266 --> 00:14:46,934 Yeah. Are you, that was four questions. No, 292 00:14:46,934 --> 00:14:47,934 - That was only three. 293 00:14:48,867 --> 00:14:50,934 - But if you have more, I'm open to it. I know. 294 00:14:51,934 --> 00:14:53,066 - Margy, do you have any questions? 295 00:14:53,667 --> 00:14:56,100 - No questions. Thank you. - Okay. I just have one. 296 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,834 It might actually be more for Lori, 297 00:14:57,934 --> 00:14:59,567 but when we get those links 298 00:14:59,567 --> 00:15:03,767 that our meetings have been posted, did we post those on any 299 00:15:03,767 --> 00:15:05,533 of our social media or can we do that? 300 00:15:05,533 --> 00:15:06,934 If we aren't, can 301 00:15:06,934 --> 00:15:07,934 - Do that? 302 00:15:07,934 --> 00:15:08,700 - We haven't previously. 303 00:15:09,066 --> 00:15:10,934 It's on our website. We put it on our 304 00:15:10,934 --> 00:15:11,934 - Website. 305 00:15:11,934 --> 00:15:12,000 It's on our website. Yeah. 306 00:15:12,333 --> 00:15:16,033 It might be, it might be cool just to get those out there. 307 00:15:16,467 --> 00:15:18,634 I know the link goes to happy to do that Christie 308 00:15:18,634 --> 00:15:22,133 and me, that we can just get to you. Right. Happy to 309 00:15:22,133 --> 00:15:23,133 - Do that. 310 00:15:23,133 --> 00:15:24,100 Cool. Okay. Good suggestion. 311 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:25,033 You're going for gold. You really? 312 00:15:25,333 --> 00:15:27,233 - Oh, we're gonna, we we're, you're gonna 313 00:15:27,333 --> 00:15:28,333 - Tear it up. 314 00:15:28,333 --> 00:15:29,066 We'll see how your report 315 00:15:29,066 --> 00:15:30,066 - Is next year. 316 00:15:30,066 --> 00:15:32,834 Alright, thanks Stephanie. Awesome. Okay. Thanks everybody. 317 00:15:32,834 --> 00:15:33,634 Appreciate Let's good see you. 318 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:40,367 Okay, we're now gonna move back 319 00:15:40,433 --> 00:15:42,767 to the first item in the presentations. 320 00:15:44,333 --> 00:15:45,567 I believe we have some guests 321 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:49,367 here. Do you 322 00:15:50,166 --> 00:15:55,066 - Do, do you know who's participating? So 323 00:15:55,634 --> 00:15:56,634 - Thank you for coming. 324 00:15:56,934 --> 00:16:01,467 As you know, we're going to discuss Celi today 325 00:16:01,567 --> 00:16:04,000 and we have a resolution that we're gonna read. 326 00:16:05,934 --> 00:16:08,500 I have a copy. I don't know if you need to translate. 327 00:16:08,567 --> 00:16:11,100 I've got a copy if you wanna read along 328 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:12,767 and translate at the same time you can, 329 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:14,066 or if you wanna do this later, you, 330 00:16:14,166 --> 00:16:15,300 that's totally up to you. 331 00:16:16,634 --> 00:16:18,100 Okay. I'll bring this over to you 332 00:16:18,166 --> 00:16:19,867 and then Mark is gonna read our resolution 333 00:16:20,367 --> 00:16:24,100 and then you can kind of pause and allow for a translation. 334 00:16:24,467 --> 00:16:25,467 Is that okay, 335 00:16:32,066 --> 00:16:33,066 - Sister? 336 00:16:39,066 --> 00:16:42,567 - So we have Alys sister, his mother, and a family friend. 337 00:16:42,867 --> 00:16:45,166 - Okay. And did, did you want me to pause? 338 00:16:46,667 --> 00:16:48,533 - No, - That's fine. That's fine. Okay. Thanks. 339 00:16:50,133 --> 00:16:53,033 First, everyone, if if we could just observe a, a moment 340 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:56,033 of silence in honor Ofili Petro, please. 341 00:17:00,567 --> 00:17:00,934 - Okay. 342 00:17:05,667 --> 00:17:06,767 - All right. Thank you everyone. 343 00:17:07,767 --> 00:17:10,000 Today we're with a, a rather sad event, 344 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,500 but something that we felt strongly about doing, 345 00:17:13,066 --> 00:17:17,000 and that is a, a memorial resolution in honor Ofili Petrov. 346 00:17:17,133 --> 00:17:21,233 I'm gonna read it, read the resolution out here. 347 00:17:21,266 --> 00:17:24,634 That was put together primarily by the staff who worked 348 00:17:24,834 --> 00:17:26,266 with Vasili on a daily basis. 349 00:17:27,333 --> 00:17:28,533 Whereas Vasili, 350 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:31,300 a Petroff served the center area transportation authority 351 00:17:31,433 --> 00:17:34,000 with exceptional dedication, integrity, 352 00:17:34,133 --> 00:17:36,934 and loyalty as a bus operator for more than eight years, 353 00:17:37,333 --> 00:17:40,000 beginning on May 14th, 2018. 354 00:17:40,900 --> 00:17:42,700 And whereas Vasili was admired 355 00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:45,133 and respected by his fellow cattle bus operators, 356 00:17:45,133 --> 00:17:48,767 cattle colleagues, the management cattle board of directors, 357 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 and the C patrons he served every day. 358 00:17:52,033 --> 00:17:55,066 And whereas Vail was known for his remarkable thoughtfulness 359 00:17:55,266 --> 00:17:57,100 and generosity, often stopping 360 00:17:57,166 --> 00:17:58,934 by the cada customer service center 361 00:17:58,934 --> 00:18:01,100 before closing, just to check in 362 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:02,300 and ask how their day had been. 363 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:04,333 And for other simple acts of kindness, 364 00:18:04,533 --> 00:18:06,700 including inviting coworkers to sit 365 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:08,367 and talk with him while sharing his food 366 00:18:08,367 --> 00:18:11,133 and chocolate, which he always had gestures 367 00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:14,000 that exemplified the warm and thoughtful person he was. 368 00:18:14,734 --> 00:18:18,300 And whereas Vail's sense of humor, kindness, sincerity, 369 00:18:18,734 --> 00:18:21,266 energy, and, and graciousness enrich all 370 00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:22,700 of those fortunate enough to know him 371 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:24,100 work and ride with him. 372 00:18:25,233 --> 00:18:28,300 Now therefore, be it resolved that the board of directors 373 00:18:28,300 --> 00:18:30,567 of the Center Area Transportation Authority, 374 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,066 acting on behalf of the entire organization 375 00:18:33,834 --> 00:18:36,100 hereby expresses deepest sorrow on the death 376 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:39,500 of Vasili Petra, and extends its heartfelt sympathy 377 00:18:39,567 --> 00:18:41,700 and condolences to his family and loved ones. 378 00:18:42,467 --> 00:18:44,934 And be it further resolved that the formal copy 379 00:18:44,934 --> 00:18:47,100 of this resolution will be presented to the family 380 00:18:47,133 --> 00:18:50,300 of Vasili Petrov as a token of our enduring respect, 381 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:52,000 gratitude, and remembrance. 382 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:55,634 And it's signed today, August 31st, 2026. 383 00:18:56,266 --> 00:18:57,367 So I will give this to you. 384 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:01,333 - Very sorry for your loss. Appreciate everything. 385 00:19:06,867 --> 00:19:11,066 - Is there anything any of - You would like to say? No. No. 386 00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:12,100 Okay. Thank you. 387 00:19:20,033 --> 00:19:23,867 - Okay, the next item on our agenda 388 00:19:24,033 --> 00:19:25,100 is item C. 389 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:28,634 We're happy to welcome Dave from Centre County 390 00:19:28,634 --> 00:19:29,834 Transportation Services. 391 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 How you doing, Dave? Good. Good. Awesome. 392 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:35,033 So I know we had talked, there's been, 393 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:37,367 throughout this whole journey, there's been some 394 00:19:40,133 --> 00:19:42,100 numbers out there that are not accurate. 395 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,000 So we thought we would just go directly to the source 396 00:19:44,367 --> 00:19:46,333 and invite Dave back and get an update. 397 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,700 - So I, I did present you with a copy 398 00:19:50,734 --> 00:19:54,934 of our last fiscal year numbers for the work 399 00:19:54,934 --> 00:19:58,867 that we've done in Belfor Borough with, with the change. 400 00:20:00,233 --> 00:20:05,100 And, and it totaled 1,740 trips in that fiscal year 401 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,033 of Borough residents using our facil, our services 402 00:20:10,367 --> 00:20:12,066 for transportation that they 403 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:13,333 normally maybe wouldn't have used. 404 00:20:15,133 --> 00:20:17,634 Of course, the dollar amount comes right about out to 405 00:20:17,634 --> 00:20:19,266 where they budgeted in the Borough. 406 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,033 We, we gave them numbers to work with in the beginning 407 00:20:23,667 --> 00:20:26,367 based on trends and, and things. 408 00:20:26,567 --> 00:20:28,266 And, and it seemed to work out pretty good. 409 00:20:28,266 --> 00:20:31,734 Then there's a few trips we do for people from state, 410 00:20:31,834 --> 00:20:33,934 from your area to beon. 411 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:37,734 Of course not very many, but when they call, we do them. 412 00:20:39,934 --> 00:20:43,100 So I don't know what to say more than that. 413 00:20:43,133 --> 00:20:46,100 I, I miss you people in Bellmont. Truly we do. 414 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,066 We appreciated what you did there and, 415 00:20:49,133 --> 00:20:50,867 and I wish that 416 00:20:50,867 --> 00:20:53,033 that could come back someday and you never know. 417 00:20:53,333 --> 00:20:54,367 Things can change, 418 00:20:55,634 --> 00:20:59,000 but not that I don't mind doing the work, it's just, 419 00:21:00,066 --> 00:21:02,233 it would free us up to do more outside of Bellmont. 420 00:21:02,467 --> 00:21:04,000 You know, we, we do 421 00:21:05,367 --> 00:21:08,700 about 87,000 trips throughout the course of the year 422 00:21:09,333 --> 00:21:11,033 for our service throughout the county. 423 00:21:11,834 --> 00:21:15,734 And you know, that's a big area, that's a big task. 424 00:21:16,634 --> 00:21:19,867 Probably 450 trips a day on average is what we do. 425 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:21,634 And, and that's all funding sources. 426 00:21:23,066 --> 00:21:27,533 We have about 18 to 20 different funding sources that we use 427 00:21:28,333 --> 00:21:33,033 that, that we work with mostly MA and, 428 00:21:33,033 --> 00:21:34,500 and PennDOT Medical assistance 429 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:37,834 and PennDOT are, are the majority of what we do funded, but, 430 00:21:38,133 --> 00:21:40,767 and we do have private funding sources that do trips, 431 00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:43,867 community services groups and people like that. 432 00:21:44,133 --> 00:21:46,934 So, and I think we share some of these people 433 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:48,100 and, and what they do. 434 00:21:48,734 --> 00:21:52,834 But I, I can answer questions, try 435 00:21:52,834 --> 00:21:55,467 to give you whatever information you might want. 436 00:21:56,333 --> 00:21:58,834 But I, I appreciate your staff 437 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,233 and working with them on a regular basis. 438 00:22:02,166 --> 00:22:05,100 Derek and Emily and, and Lori and, 439 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:08,567 and all those that I work with regularly to try 440 00:22:08,567 --> 00:22:10,133 to enhance services for everyone. 441 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,767 We give out your numbers every day. 442 00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:16,033 I mean, we truly do because we can't do everything 443 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,934 and you know, we, we have a certain amount of drivers 444 00:22:19,133 --> 00:22:21,300 and when you get to a certain number of trips scheduled 445 00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:22,934 for the next day, you have to stop. 446 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,100 You don't want to overload it to where you can't do it. 447 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,033 So we recommend when they're in your area 448 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:30,033 to call you folks and, and they do. 449 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,734 If they need a trip same day, they have the luxury sometimes 450 00:22:33,734 --> 00:22:36,100 of the CATA Go, which helps a lot. 451 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,133 So, and that's what Bellmont misses. 452 00:22:38,667 --> 00:22:42,100 They, they miss the CATA Go service where they could call 453 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:45,000 and within a couple hours get somewhere and, 454 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,066 and we're just not equipped to do same day service for very, 455 00:22:49,266 --> 00:22:53,000 for, for everything medical reasons we can't and we do, 456 00:22:53,133 --> 00:22:57,000 but just a routine trip to the grocery store, the drug store 457 00:22:57,033 --> 00:22:58,834 or wherever they may want to go. 458 00:22:58,934 --> 00:23:00,233 We just can't do those trips 459 00:23:00,233 --> 00:23:02,100 because of the numbers we're working with. 460 00:23:02,266 --> 00:23:06,000 But, you know, we'll see what happens down the road. Yeah. 461 00:23:07,066 --> 00:23:09,300 - So let's see if there's any questions. Sure. 462 00:23:09,767 --> 00:23:10,867 - Absolutely. - Margy, 463 00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:12,066 I know you don't have a copy of this. 464 00:23:12,066 --> 00:23:14,834 What, Christie, can you make sure we get Margy a copy 465 00:23:14,834 --> 00:23:17,033 of this, but were there any questions based on 466 00:23:17,133 --> 00:23:18,100 Dave's presentation? 467 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:22,934 - No, actually not without having the, the material, 468 00:23:23,066 --> 00:23:26,533 but I appreciate you coming to the board 469 00:23:26,533 --> 00:23:27,834 and sharing again with us. 470 00:23:28,734 --> 00:23:29,734 We miss you too. 471 00:23:32,033 --> 00:23:33,567 - So, - Okay. 472 00:23:33,634 --> 00:23:36,567 Dave, of the 1,740 trips 473 00:23:37,533 --> 00:23:42,467 that you were reporting to us for last fiscal year, about 474 00:23:42,467 --> 00:23:44,500 how many individuals does that represent? 475 00:23:44,567 --> 00:23:46,467 - That would represent probably about 476 00:23:47,133 --> 00:23:49,033 30 individuals, I would say. 477 00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:52,000 Okay. That take routine trips on a regular basis, 478 00:23:52,266 --> 00:23:54,033 mostly work a lot. 479 00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:57,634 I would say 85% of those funded trips are work. 480 00:23:58,500 --> 00:24:01,233 And then the other 15% would might be groceries 481 00:24:01,266 --> 00:24:02,467 or something like that. 482 00:24:02,834 --> 00:24:05,033 - And these are only trips Monday through Friday, 483 00:24:05,066 --> 00:24:06,066 - Correct? 484 00:24:06,066 --> 00:24:08,300 Yeah, Monday through Friday, Joe. Yep, yep. Okay. 485 00:24:09,233 --> 00:24:11,467 - And eight 30 to eight, eight to 486 00:24:11,467 --> 00:24:12,467 - Five. 487 00:24:12,467 --> 00:24:15,133 We, we take, we pick people up starting about six 30 to go 488 00:24:15,133 --> 00:24:17,734 to work, you know, when they work in town 489 00:24:17,834 --> 00:24:19,767 and in various places in the Centre Region. 490 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:24,233 And, and we get them there by 8, 8 30 usually. Oh yes. 491 00:24:25,033 --> 00:24:28,367 Pick them up as late as some, as late as four to go home. 492 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:33,100 You know, we try to work with them as very best we can 493 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,133 to make it fit for them. 494 00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:38,066 - So now that you've got a, a year under your belt, so 495 00:24:38,066 --> 00:24:39,934 to speak, what was the biggest challenge 496 00:24:40,066 --> 00:24:41,266 in taking that over? 497 00:24:42,533 --> 00:24:46,533 - I, I think just coordinating where they need to go 498 00:24:46,533 --> 00:24:48,100 and the times more than anything, 499 00:24:48,166 --> 00:24:50,133 just working within the time zones of 500 00:24:50,133 --> 00:24:52,100 where these people needed to be at a certain time. 501 00:24:52,333 --> 00:24:53,867 - Yeah. And these are all trips 502 00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:55,567 that are gonna be within the Bellmont Borough, 503 00:24:55,767 --> 00:24:57,066 - These are Bellmont Borough. 504 00:24:57,066 --> 00:24:59,700 Every trip there is a Bellmont Borough resident. Correct. 505 00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:02,300 And, and of course with Eco Lane or or FI 506 00:25:02,367 --> 00:25:05,100 or software that gives us the ability 507 00:25:05,133 --> 00:25:06,500 to pinpoint where people live. 508 00:25:06,734 --> 00:25:09,000 And we've had people outside of the Borough try 509 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,300 to utilize it, not, maybe not knowing, just thinking, 510 00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:13,567 well I have a Beon address, 511 00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:15,834 but they don't technically live in the Borough. 512 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,000 So it's a little different then. Yeah. Yeah. 513 00:25:21,367 --> 00:25:23,000 - Anything else? - Nope, that's all I 514 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,000 - Had. 515 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,900 Thank you. Only one question, Joe. Geez, I feel honored. 516 00:25:26,166 --> 00:25:27,567 Stephanie, Rob, 517 00:25:28,867 --> 00:25:29,867 - Just a question. 518 00:25:30,166 --> 00:25:33,133 When you said that sometimes you just can't take everyone, 519 00:25:33,834 --> 00:25:36,500 do you know what happens to those unfulfilled trips? 520 00:25:36,767 --> 00:25:40,333 - Well, in most cases they'll reschedule, no. Okay. 521 00:25:40,467 --> 00:25:44,133 We, we very, very rarely ever deny a medical trip. Okay. 522 00:25:44,133 --> 00:25:46,166 That makes sense. So the trips that we deny are usually, 523 00:25:46,367 --> 00:25:47,934 well, I want to go to the grocery store. 524 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:49,467 Well, you may have to wait till the next day. 525 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:54,033 Most medical trips we always add, you know, I, I've, 526 00:25:54,066 --> 00:25:55,433 I've always made it clear 527 00:25:55,433 --> 00:25:57,900 that if it's a medical need, we take care of it. 528 00:25:58,033 --> 00:26:00,367 Yeah, yeah. Range Fair was tough. 529 00:26:00,667 --> 00:26:02,433 'cause I had five drivers at the Fair Party. 530 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,133 - Oh yeah. - But we got through it. 531 00:26:05,634 --> 00:26:08,567 But overall, we, we don't deny medical trips. Yeah. 532 00:26:09,667 --> 00:26:11,367 - Just one follow question. I'll have two 533 00:26:11,567 --> 00:26:12,367 - Questions. That's fine. As 534 00:26:12,367 --> 00:26:13,467 - Opposed to Joe's one question, 535 00:26:13,934 --> 00:26:18,634 but in, in Bellon, do you, were there a number 536 00:26:18,634 --> 00:26:20,367 of times or a significant number of times 537 00:26:20,367 --> 00:26:23,667 where you think you would've gone beyond the 1,740 trips? 538 00:26:24,567 --> 00:26:27,100 Had you had had the capacity? I'm just curious what the 539 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:28,100 - Demand. 540 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,133 Probably not. I, I, I don't, we're not getting demand beyond 541 00:26:31,233 --> 00:26:32,934 what we're fulfilling, I don't think. 542 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,834 I mean, it doesn't seem like it anyways. 543 00:26:35,033 --> 00:26:37,033 I'm not getting, I'm not getting any 544 00:26:37,667 --> 00:26:39,000 negative feedback to that effect. 545 00:26:39,233 --> 00:26:41,700 So if it's happening, they're not complaining, 546 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,500 which I wish they would and, 547 00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:46,233 and we could look at ways to improve that. 548 00:26:46,233 --> 00:26:49,066 Gotcha. You know, obviously we have a certain number 549 00:26:49,066 --> 00:26:53,000 of drivers and, and we're just about capacity with drivers. 550 00:26:53,166 --> 00:26:55,000 We could always use a couple extra. 551 00:26:55,066 --> 00:26:57,767 But yeah, we we're able 552 00:26:57,767 --> 00:26:59,333 to fulfill most all the needs, I think. 553 00:26:59,533 --> 00:27:02,700 Yeah. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Welcome. Thank you. 554 00:27:03,433 --> 00:27:05,700 - Juan - Eight. Those 1740, 555 00:27:06,634 --> 00:27:10,333 those are trips from Betine anywhere in the county? Yeah, 556 00:27:10,333 --> 00:27:12,467 - Well, most of 'em are coming into the Centre Region. 557 00:27:12,834 --> 00:27:16,867 Okay. Yep. I I would say that the vast majority, maybe 558 00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:19,300 as high as 90% are coming into the 559 00:27:19,433 --> 00:27:21,033 Centre Region, area center area. Yes. 560 00:27:21,367 --> 00:27:22,634 - And do you have a sense of, 561 00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:24,367 do you get many hospital trips? 562 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,533 - No. No. That most of those are funded 563 00:27:27,533 --> 00:27:29,000 through other sources, so they 564 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,033 don't get billed to the Borough. 565 00:27:30,133 --> 00:27:32,567 You know, they may have medical assistance 566 00:27:32,634 --> 00:27:34,133 to fund those trips, but 567 00:27:34,133 --> 00:27:35,233 - They wouldn't be included in that. 568 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:38,700 - No. These are mostly, like I said, work trips and, 569 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:41,634 and trips with people with no other funding sources. 570 00:27:42,133 --> 00:27:46,300 - So, yeah. So I'm, I'm not clear if somebody needs 571 00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:48,700 to get to the hospital, 572 00:27:49,834 --> 00:27:51,000 - Oh, we can take them. We 573 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,000 - Can take them, but Yes. 574 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,333 But within that, the hours of your service limit? Well, 575 00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:55,500 - Primarily yes. Yeah. Yes. 576 00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,033 - But so that would exclude Saturday and Sunday, right? 577 00:27:59,033 --> 00:28:00,767 - Yeah. We do not do any weekends. Correct. 578 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,300 - So there's no way they can 579 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,333 - No, we unfortunately we don't have that service. 580 00:28:05,634 --> 00:28:06,734 Yeah. Okay. That, 581 00:28:06,934 --> 00:28:09,300 and that's what I say, we, we miss the service 582 00:28:09,367 --> 00:28:12,066 that was there for those reasons. Yes. 583 00:28:12,066 --> 00:28:14,767 - And it would be difficult for a hospital employee 584 00:28:15,066 --> 00:28:17,300 to use your service because of your limited hours, right? 585 00:28:18,233 --> 00:28:19,867 - Yes. On an eight hour day. Yes. 586 00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:23,100 Sometimes we can get them at least one way. One way. Right. 587 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,867 In home or, or back, you know? 588 00:28:26,166 --> 00:28:29,500 - So - Most of the people we transport don't drive. 589 00:28:30,533 --> 00:28:31,867 They, they have no other means. 590 00:28:31,934 --> 00:28:35,467 So they're utilizing us and you know, 591 00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:38,734 and I think for the most part, they're happy 592 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,100 that they're getting a service Oh yeah. 593 00:28:40,333 --> 00:28:42,734 And getting to work. So, yeah. 594 00:28:43,333 --> 00:28:44,567 - Okay. Thank you. You're - Welcome. 595 00:28:45,867 --> 00:28:47,000 - I just have a couple questions. Yep. 596 00:28:47,367 --> 00:28:50,700 So one with the second line, the, the trips you're providing 597 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:52,066 to Centre Region residents. 598 00:28:52,133 --> 00:28:53,533 Yes. First of all, I'm 599 00:28:53,533 --> 00:28:55,333 so glad you were able to work with us. 600 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:57,066 Absolutely. And that we can do that. Absolutely. 601 00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:59,634 And am I reading this correct, that some of them, 602 00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:01,734 these trips, they're, they must qualify 603 00:29:01,934 --> 00:29:03,467 for some other funding already? 604 00:29:03,734 --> 00:29:05,367 - More than likely, they probably do. 605 00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:07,634 They have other funding sources that they don't need 606 00:29:07,634 --> 00:29:10,467 to use the CAT of funding. Okay. You know, 607 00:29:11,166 --> 00:29:13,100 - So we only paid $160. 608 00:29:13,934 --> 00:29:18,000 - Is that No, you paid, you paid 624. 609 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,266 That's the clients paid one 60? Yes. 610 00:29:20,433 --> 00:29:21,567 - The, the riders paid 611 00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:22,634 - One. 612 00:29:22,634 --> 00:29:23,300 Yeah, they paid the 1 1 60. Thank 613 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:24,300 - You. 614 00:29:24,367 --> 00:29:28,000 - And they, their trips specific to the three facilities, 615 00:29:28,033 --> 00:29:30,066 the county facilities in Befor. 616 00:29:30,133 --> 00:29:33,934 Okay. Yeah. The, the willowbank CSB and the courthouse. 617 00:29:34,133 --> 00:29:37,133 Okay. Yeah. They're the, the funding for CAT is strictly 618 00:29:37,266 --> 00:29:38,533 for those three locations. 619 00:29:38,634 --> 00:29:42,000 Yes. Anything else is other Yes. Other fund. 620 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,000 - Yeah. And so then the Bellon Borough, so they paid that 30 621 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,367 - 3030 3 366. Correct. 622 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,567 - Can you remind me what was their original budget for the 623 00:29:51,567 --> 00:29:52,567 - Year? 624 00:29:52,567 --> 00:29:53,634 35,000. Okay. Yeah. 625 00:29:53,734 --> 00:29:56,700 - Yeah. And do they have a, a budget for this year? 626 00:29:57,066 --> 00:29:58,500 - 40,000. - So they went 627 00:29:58,500 --> 00:29:59,500 - Up. 628 00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:00,500 Yeah, they went up. They, they bumped it 629 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,333 and we're well within that, 630 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:05,100 theirs is calendar year of course. 631 00:30:05,133 --> 00:30:07,066 So we're, 632 00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,734 but we're well within the, where they were budgeted. 633 00:30:09,734 --> 00:30:13,367 Yeah. Okay. It, it's not, it's never spiked beyond 634 00:30:14,033 --> 00:30:15,500 what we could handle that we could see. 635 00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,567 So, okay. If you were told that they were out of money, 636 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,533 that, that, I don't know where that came 637 00:30:20,533 --> 00:30:21,333 - From. Okay. 638 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:23,100 - You know, I, I've conferred 639 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:24,767 with the council president a couple times 640 00:30:25,066 --> 00:30:27,634 and he can't figure that out either, but 641 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,000 - Okay. 642 00:30:29,033 --> 00:30:31,567 We appreciate the getting the, the facts here. Yeah. 643 00:30:32,033 --> 00:30:35,567 Derek, do you remember what our, what our final proposal was 644 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,300 for befor dollar wise? 645 00:30:38,133 --> 00:30:40,133 - For, - Or the beeline? 646 00:30:42,033 --> 00:30:43,834 - I can get it, - Was it under 40,000? 647 00:30:44,667 --> 00:30:47,567 - No. Okay. Don't quote me on this 648 00:30:48,467 --> 00:30:50,867 'cause it's been a little bit, I want to say around 60. 649 00:30:51,133 --> 00:30:55,000 Okay. The beeline. But don't, I can get that number though. 650 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:57,033 - Okay. No, what I'm just looking forward to see, 651 00:30:57,333 --> 00:31:01,467 I mean this, this program is a, 652 00:31:01,767 --> 00:31:03,467 a better match for their budget. 653 00:31:03,867 --> 00:31:07,066 So this is working out. We understand there's trade off. 654 00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:09,233 We, we miss working over there too, 655 00:31:09,367 --> 00:31:10,100 - So. Yes. Yes. 656 00:31:10,634 --> 00:31:12,000 - We'll keep all the conversations going. 657 00:31:12,333 --> 00:31:13,333 - Well, and I think that's good. 658 00:31:13,834 --> 00:31:17,834 I, I wish the, the surrounding townships would want 659 00:31:17,834 --> 00:31:18,934 to participate as well 660 00:31:18,934 --> 00:31:22,834 because that would certainly help in the discussions 661 00:31:22,867 --> 00:31:24,100 for you folks, I'm sure. 662 00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:27,000 - Yeah. Especially supermarket access. Yes. And 663 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,000 - Stuff like that. 664 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,333 - Yes, absolutely. Alright, 665 00:31:29,333 --> 00:31:31,333 well thank you David. Another question 666 00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:35,066 - I more question Mark, remind me of the 32 trips then 667 00:31:35,066 --> 00:31:38,233 that Kata paid for to the three facilities, right. 668 00:31:38,867 --> 00:31:40,767 Which of those was the most popular? 669 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,467 - I think Willowbank will Bank, 670 00:31:43,567 --> 00:31:44,734 I'm pretty sure of Willow Bank and 671 00:31:44,734 --> 00:31:45,700 - Come to see you, Joe. Yeah, 672 00:31:46,133 --> 00:31:47,133 - I don't think so. 673 00:31:47,266 --> 00:31:49,834 - I think what some of them do is when they come to town, 674 00:31:49,834 --> 00:31:52,000 they'll, they'll walk to other facilities maybe, 675 00:31:52,166 --> 00:31:54,734 but, you know, they'll, they'll schedule a late pickup 676 00:31:55,066 --> 00:31:56,000 and Yeah. 677 00:31:57,066 --> 00:31:58,533 And we let them schedule their pickup. 678 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,300 If they want to get there at 10 in the morning, 679 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:02,066 get picked up at three, that's fine. 680 00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:04,000 You know, so. Yeah. 681 00:32:04,767 --> 00:32:07,066 - Okay. Okay. Well thank you so much. Oh, thank you. 682 00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:08,767 As always, if you need anything from us, please, 683 00:32:09,266 --> 00:32:10,266 - Same here. 684 00:32:10,266 --> 00:32:12,100 And Derek, I'll see you tomorrow. Yes sir. Thank you. 685 00:32:12,667 --> 00:32:13,734 Thank you all very much. 686 00:32:16,934 --> 00:32:19,734 - Next we'll move into Todd's CEO report. 687 00:32:20,767 --> 00:32:25,000 - Okay, great. So when the time comes on the agenda, 688 00:32:25,266 --> 00:32:29,033 I did let Mark know we need to pull item seven D, 689 00:32:29,033 --> 00:32:31,567 which is our new DBE goal off the agenda. 690 00:32:32,533 --> 00:32:34,367 After we sent the agenda last week, 691 00:32:34,467 --> 00:32:38,634 we received some new guidance from the U-S-D-O-T that 692 00:32:40,233 --> 00:32:42,100 probably requires us to do a little bit more work, 693 00:32:42,033 --> 00:32:44,066 but what we really need to do is we, we need 694 00:32:44,066 --> 00:32:45,767 to wait on the Commonwealth, the Pennsylvania, 695 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,233 to do a little work and then we'll know if we need 696 00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:49,266 to do some after them. 697 00:32:49,734 --> 00:32:51,133 So we're gonna pull that today 698 00:32:51,133 --> 00:32:53,066 and I anticipate you will 699 00:32:53,066 --> 00:32:54,000 see it again before the end of the year. 700 00:32:54,233 --> 00:32:59,100 So, so we are now in our third week 701 00:32:59,133 --> 00:33:01,634 of full service and this is kind of the week that 702 00:33:02,066 --> 00:33:05,100 traditionally where ridership kind of starts 703 00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:06,700 to hit its stride for the semester. 704 00:33:07,767 --> 00:33:09,634 Last week was syllabus week. 705 00:33:09,734 --> 00:33:11,000 It's usually not as busy, 706 00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:13,100 but it was a pretty busy syllabus week from 707 00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:17,033 what I've been told anecdotally by some, some 708 00:33:17,033 --> 00:33:20,767 of our operators on campus, they've, they commented to me 709 00:33:20,767 --> 00:33:23,734 that it just seems like there's more students on campus this 710 00:33:23,734 --> 00:33:25,567 year than ever. 711 00:33:26,367 --> 00:33:27,467 That's probably true 712 00:33:27,734 --> 00:33:31,367 'cause we did understand that the university had admitted a, 713 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:33,767 a large alar, the largest freshman class 714 00:33:33,767 --> 00:33:34,767 that they ever have. 715 00:33:34,834 --> 00:33:36,100 So that, that kinda lines up. 716 00:33:36,166 --> 00:33:38,567 But I think people were really surprised at 717 00:33:38,567 --> 00:33:41,000 how busy syllabus week was on our ridership. 718 00:33:41,033 --> 00:33:43,066 'cause like I said, normally this third week is when 719 00:33:43,066 --> 00:33:44,500 ridership really picks up. 720 00:33:44,567 --> 00:33:48,066 So hopefully that is a sign of good things to come. 721 00:33:49,867 --> 00:33:53,734 I, I was out at a couple of the bus stops a couple 722 00:33:53,734 --> 00:33:54,767 of mornings last week. 723 00:33:55,834 --> 00:33:58,300 So I will say there's definitely a difference in the 724 00:33:58,500 --> 00:33:59,767 boarding process this year. 725 00:34:00,133 --> 00:34:02,567 Now that we have a year of token transit under our belt 726 00:34:03,667 --> 00:34:05,300 loading is just much more smooth. 727 00:34:05,867 --> 00:34:07,834 Tap to pay is probably helping with that as well. 728 00:34:07,934 --> 00:34:09,066 But just notice that the, 729 00:34:09,166 --> 00:34:11,000 the whole loading process just seemed 730 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,000 to be more smooth this year than it did last year when we 731 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,867 were first introducing the token transit payment system. 732 00:34:19,233 --> 00:34:22,100 And we did engage in quite a bit 733 00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:26,367 of more enhanced outreach this year as students came, came 734 00:34:26,367 --> 00:34:28,567 to town for move in and even afterwards. 735 00:34:28,567 --> 00:34:30,734 And we're still doing some outreach. 736 00:34:31,467 --> 00:34:33,934 So hopefully those efforts will also be paying off 737 00:34:34,066 --> 00:34:35,767 and the momentum, you know, 738 00:34:35,767 --> 00:34:37,000 will continue for the rest of the year. 739 00:34:38,266 --> 00:34:42,133 So I wanna go ahead and you've got a handout on your table 740 00:34:42,233 --> 00:34:43,533 that's probably face down. 741 00:34:43,634 --> 00:34:46,834 I just wanna go ahead and bring this up. So take a look. 742 00:34:46,834 --> 00:34:49,834 There's a couple of pictures here and Margy, sorry, 743 00:34:49,934 --> 00:34:52,066 but I think you may have already seen these pictures 744 00:34:52,066 --> 00:34:56,367 that we're showing of this, this bus redesign. 745 00:34:56,634 --> 00:34:58,333 I'm sorry, we can don't, no, 746 00:34:58,333 --> 00:35:00,100 we don't even have it loaded for the screen. 747 00:35:00,066 --> 00:35:04,634 But we had, what, what they, what the board has in front 748 00:35:04,634 --> 00:35:06,767 of them are two photos of cattle buses 749 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:09,300 with our colors inverted so 750 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,467 that the cada orange is the dominant color 751 00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:14,066 and then white becomes the secondary color. 752 00:35:14,834 --> 00:35:16,634 And those are photos of CATA buses. 753 00:35:17,133 --> 00:35:19,033 But we've used AI to flip the colors. 754 00:35:19,133 --> 00:35:21,767 So we really, even though those are actual CATA buses, 755 00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,000 we don't have CATA buses that look like this right now. 756 00:35:27,033 --> 00:35:30,133 So, but what, what, we did this 757 00:35:30,166 --> 00:35:32,500 and we find it interesting enough that we're planning 758 00:35:32,533 --> 00:35:34,934 to actually temporarily wrap two of our buses 759 00:35:36,066 --> 00:35:37,834 using this inverted color scheme. 760 00:35:38,467 --> 00:35:40,834 One for the standard transit bus you see at the bottom 761 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,533 and then one for the articulated bus at the top. 762 00:35:44,934 --> 00:35:46,500 And then we'll put those out into service 763 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,000 and just kind of gauge, you know, reaction to them. 764 00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:53,734 We're discussing, you know, we're discussing ways to collect 765 00:35:54,767 --> 00:35:57,066 rider and public feedback on the design 766 00:35:57,233 --> 00:35:58,266 and then we would expect 767 00:35:58,266 --> 00:36:00,333 to keep them wrapped probably into the spring. 768 00:36:00,834 --> 00:36:04,033 But we have a couple of reasons for doing this when 769 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:07,233 we expect it would kind of give us a, a brief pop 770 00:36:07,233 --> 00:36:09,867 of publicity and attention kind 771 00:36:09,867 --> 00:36:12,367 of early in the semester at a time when students are still, 772 00:36:13,734 --> 00:36:15,934 you know, willing to try new things with regard to 773 00:36:15,934 --> 00:36:18,066 how they get around town and the campus. 774 00:36:18,867 --> 00:36:21,066 And then it also give us some design feedback 775 00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,000 for consideration the next time that we purchase buses. 776 00:36:25,033 --> 00:36:26,834 You know, if the design's well received, 777 00:36:26,834 --> 00:36:29,467 then we can talk about possibly using this on 778 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:30,567 a future bus purchase. 779 00:36:31,133 --> 00:36:32,133 It's not well received. 780 00:36:32,467 --> 00:36:34,100 It goes on the Ash Ben 781 00:36:34,133 --> 00:36:36,033 or Ash heap of history and we never see it again. 782 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:40,100 But we thought we would, you know, wrap a couple of buses. 783 00:36:40,266 --> 00:36:43,100 We have a, we have the ability to do that through our mark 784 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,533 through our advertising contract with Mesmerized. 785 00:36:45,867 --> 00:36:47,000 It would be temporary wraps. 786 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,700 These would not be permanent paint jobs. 787 00:36:49,233 --> 00:36:52,333 But again, it's, I think it's something that we would do 788 00:36:52,367 --> 00:36:54,634 to just to see what the reaction we might get. 789 00:36:55,734 --> 00:36:59,133 You know, we have a strong brand, we're not looking 790 00:36:59,166 --> 00:37:01,567 to change our brand, but this is kind of a potential way 791 00:37:01,567 --> 00:37:04,300 to maybe keep the, keep the brand fresh instead 792 00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:05,367 of actually changing the brand. 793 00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:08,333 So wanted to let you know, I didn't want you 794 00:37:08,333 --> 00:37:10,300 to be alarmed if suddenly you see a couple 795 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:12,266 of these buses riding around on the street. 796 00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:14,100 We haven't painted any new buses, 797 00:37:14,266 --> 00:37:16,567 we haven't bought any new buses and painted them red. 798 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000 We're just, we're just kind of testing these out. 799 00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:22,533 So it's kind orange, not red, it is cat of orange. Orange. 800 00:37:23,934 --> 00:37:25,066 I even had that written down in my 801 00:37:25,066 --> 00:37:26,133 notes to say cat of orange. 802 00:37:26,567 --> 00:37:31,066 I think I said red. So anyway, just wanted 803 00:37:31,066 --> 00:37:32,500 to let you be aware of that. 804 00:37:32,634 --> 00:37:34,233 And like I said, we will kind 805 00:37:34,233 --> 00:37:36,100 of update you on the feedback we receive, 806 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,300 but we're excited to see what people think. 807 00:37:42,467 --> 00:37:43,567 So I, 808 00:37:43,734 --> 00:37:46,100 I mentioned we would possibly use this the next time we 809 00:37:46,367 --> 00:37:48,100 purchase buses and just kind of wanted 810 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,667 to give you an update on that. 811 00:37:50,767 --> 00:37:53,533 We, we do have four buses 812 00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:56,667 that should be meeting their useful life benchmark 813 00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:59,100 for replacement in the 2028 timeframe. 814 00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:03,133 And then the rest of the CATA bus fleet we'll do, 815 00:38:03,266 --> 00:38:07,266 we will be replacing kind of over the years 2031 to 2034. 816 00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:09,500 It's based on some data Bruce gave me. 817 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,767 So if he's given me a side eye, it's based on your data. 818 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,000 And so PennDOT recently made some changes 819 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,033 to their revenue vehicle replacement benchmarks. 820 00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:23,734 They extended the period of time that transit 821 00:38:24,133 --> 00:38:26,066 agencies are expected to keep and use buses 822 00:38:26,133 --> 00:38:29,533 before they become eligible for replacement funding. 823 00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,100 That's really being done in anticipation 824 00:38:33,133 --> 00:38:36,834 of some potential revenue shortfalls for transit funding 825 00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:39,233 for capital purchases that may be the state 826 00:38:39,266 --> 00:38:42,033 and we'll be seeing over the next several years. 827 00:38:42,567 --> 00:38:44,734 And so what that really means, for example, 828 00:38:45,333 --> 00:38:48,000 a standard transit bus is normally a 12 year bus. 829 00:38:48,867 --> 00:38:50,867 And so normally after 12 years you would be 830 00:38:51,033 --> 00:38:52,100 eligible for replacement funding. 831 00:38:52,367 --> 00:38:55,066 PennDOT is now converted that into a 14 year bus. 832 00:38:55,133 --> 00:38:56,467 And so it's 14 years 833 00:38:56,467 --> 00:38:58,500 before you're eligible for replacement funding. 834 00:38:59,467 --> 00:39:02,100 We keep our buses in great working condition 835 00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:03,934 and so 14 years shouldn't be a problem, 836 00:39:04,333 --> 00:39:07,500 but it is more expensive to maintain, you know, the, 837 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:09,767 the maintenance goes up as the buses age. 838 00:39:14,133 --> 00:39:17,100 So sorry about that. 839 00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:19,734 And then, so I understand that in the past we've actually 840 00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:22,266 provided a, the board with an annual memo 841 00:39:23,166 --> 00:39:24,333 describing the status 842 00:39:24,667 --> 00:39:26,867 and replacement schedule for all cattle vehicles, 843 00:39:26,867 --> 00:39:28,734 both our revenue and non-revenue vehicles. 844 00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:31,066 I think it's probably been about five years since 845 00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:32,100 we've provided that. 846 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,066 If that's something the board would like 847 00:39:35,066 --> 00:39:36,000 to see would be useful. 848 00:39:36,467 --> 00:39:37,567 You know, we're happy to do that. 849 00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:39,233 We could have it as early as next month. 850 00:39:39,266 --> 00:39:41,066 It looked like it had previously been done 851 00:39:41,066 --> 00:39:43,000 during the budget cycle in the March timeframe. 852 00:39:43,333 --> 00:39:45,467 It may be more useful for us to give it to you then, 853 00:39:45,867 --> 00:39:48,634 or we could do both or neither if it's 854 00:39:48,634 --> 00:39:49,867 something you want us to do. 855 00:39:50,133 --> 00:39:52,467 But I think Mark had mentioned this to me 856 00:39:52,467 --> 00:39:54,533 that this is something that had been done in the past 857 00:39:54,634 --> 00:39:55,734 but hadn't seen it in a while. 858 00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:57,333 - We used to get it once a year. Yeah. 859 00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,333 Do you have a preference on when we get that? 860 00:40:01,367 --> 00:40:04,367 - No, not really. When, what's your convenience 861 00:40:04,367 --> 00:40:05,767 or earliest possible, 862 00:40:05,867 --> 00:40:07,734 - Maybe if you can give us one next month or that. 863 00:40:07,734 --> 00:40:09,867 Okay. And then from there on out it does make 864 00:40:09,867 --> 00:40:10,934 sense to do a budget. 865 00:40:11,033 --> 00:40:12,634 - Looking at the one from five years ago, 866 00:40:12,634 --> 00:40:14,367 there's been some changes that have been made. 867 00:40:14,367 --> 00:40:16,634 We no longer own our van pool vans. 868 00:40:16,834 --> 00:40:19,066 That was always something in that report. 869 00:40:20,066 --> 00:40:22,000 We do now own our own demand vans 870 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,066 and so there are some changes from that 871 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000 and that's, so we'll we'll update that, provide it, 872 00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:28,100 and then we'll plan to do it. 873 00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:30,567 Maybe we'll provide it next month, 874 00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:32,133 but we'll also plan to do it in the budget 875 00:40:32,166 --> 00:40:34,000 cycle. Sounds good. Yes sir. 876 00:40:34,367 --> 00:40:37,233 - Is there a plan to do something with the, 877 00:40:37,233 --> 00:40:38,500 the wrecker, the tow truck? 878 00:40:40,133 --> 00:40:42,934 - We do. And maybe Derek might wanna speak to that or Mark 879 00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:46,300 - Your wanna go Mark. 880 00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:48,000 Yeah, we, we've started the search 881 00:40:49,367 --> 00:40:50,700 - To get budgetary numbers 882 00:40:51,634 --> 00:40:53,033 for the replacement of the wrecker. 883 00:40:54,033 --> 00:40:55,700 We, we've gave them the bruise. 884 00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,100 - Yeah. - And, and it's not cheap. 885 00:41:00,367 --> 00:41:04,533 Not, and so the next step is actually to work on a grant. 886 00:41:06,233 --> 00:41:09,033 - That record is listed as part of the state 887 00:41:09,033 --> 00:41:10,533 of good repair replacement. 888 00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:15,300 Obviously the cost of, 889 00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:19,100 as everyone knows the cost of any vehicle is 890 00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:21,567 exploded over the last couple of years. 891 00:41:22,667 --> 00:41:25,333 So it will not be a shock to penoc when we give them 892 00:41:26,133 --> 00:41:27,300 the replacement cost. 893 00:41:28,867 --> 00:41:32,533 One of the things we are going to be asking Penoc to do 894 00:41:33,433 --> 00:41:37,567 is we want to replace our current diesel wrecker with a c 895 00:41:37,567 --> 00:41:39,367 and g fueled wrecker. 896 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,900 It just makes more sense. We've got c and g here and c 897 00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:48,033 and g is much cheaper to operate 898 00:41:48,066 --> 00:41:49,066 with than diesel 899 00:41:49,133 --> 00:41:53,000 because we also won't need the DEF fluid that a new, 900 00:41:53,433 --> 00:41:55,133 a new diesel engine would require. 901 00:41:56,634 --> 00:41:58,300 So there'll be some cost savings there 902 00:41:58,767 --> 00:42:03,667 that we can justify the, the, this, the c and g engine with. 903 00:42:04,367 --> 00:42:08,100 - So what quarter of, what sort of orders of magnitude is 904 00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:09,667 that cost and what's our likelihood 905 00:42:09,667 --> 00:42:10,867 of getting the grant for it? 906 00:42:11,033 --> 00:42:15,133 - The, the estimated cost is 907 00:42:15,166 --> 00:42:16,500 $600,000. 908 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:24,300 Based on my prior experience with PennDOT 909 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,100 and stated good repair replacement, 910 00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:30,533 I have a 95% confidence rate that PennDOT will fund it 911 00:42:31,333 --> 00:42:33,100 - Up to 95% funding 912 00:42:35,133 --> 00:42:36,734 the required local match. Of course 913 00:42:36,934 --> 00:42:40,100 - It will require a 3.225% local match. 914 00:42:40,767 --> 00:42:44,033 - Okay. - I'll say that is one asset we have kept well 915 00:42:44,033 --> 00:42:45,100 beyond its useful life. 916 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:47,533 So it is definitely due for replacement. 917 00:42:51,233 --> 00:42:52,233 - Any other - Couple more things? 918 00:42:53,066 --> 00:42:56,867 So just wanna let you guys know that our, our new agreement 919 00:42:56,867 --> 00:43:00,133 with Penn State for the operation of the loops and the links 920 00:43:00,133 --> 00:43:02,066 and for the administration of the Ride Pass program 921 00:43:02,634 --> 00:43:05,233 for faculty and graduate students was recently signed. 922 00:43:06,033 --> 00:43:07,934 Bruce wanted me to let you know that 923 00:43:07,934 --> 00:43:10,433 because the agreement was signed in August, you won't see 924 00:43:11,233 --> 00:43:14,100 any Penn State revenue in the July financial report, 925 00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,333 but there will be a, I guess a corrective. 926 00:43:17,734 --> 00:43:20,000 Yeah, there will be a catch up in the next month 927 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,133 or two on that. 928 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,634 You know, this is basically the same agreement that we sign 929 00:43:24,634 --> 00:43:25,934 with the university each year. 930 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,166 But one new feature that's I think beneficial 931 00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:30,634 to really both parties to us financially 932 00:43:30,634 --> 00:43:32,000 and also to the Penn State 933 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,734 and their graduate students is that under the, 934 00:43:36,333 --> 00:43:39,133 under the new agreement, graduate students will now be able 935 00:43:39,133 --> 00:43:41,000 to use the ride pass for unlimited rides across 936 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,367 the CADA system. 937 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,867 And in previous agreements they were basically limited 938 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,266 to trips between housing and campus. 939 00:43:48,367 --> 00:43:53,033 If I'm not, if I'm correct, this will only, 940 00:43:53,166 --> 00:43:55,033 this change will only apply to graduate students. 941 00:43:55,033 --> 00:43:57,133 Faculty will still have that same limitation. 942 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,066 But it does open up some opportunities for more trips 943 00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:01,100 by graduate students. 944 00:44:01,233 --> 00:44:05,000 And then it's also a, it ends up being a revenue 945 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:07,867 positive for, for cada. 946 00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:12,667 So we have scheduled three upcoming opportunities 947 00:44:12,734 --> 00:44:14,700 for public input into CADA services 948 00:44:16,066 --> 00:44:17,266 as they do each spring and fall. 949 00:44:17,266 --> 00:44:19,433 The Penn State Office of Transportation Services, 950 00:44:20,066 --> 00:44:22,567 we'll host a public input meeting at 951 00:44:22,567 --> 00:44:23,667 their offices on campus. 952 00:44:23,834 --> 00:44:26,500 And this year, that meeting is on Wednesday, September 9th 953 00:44:27,066 --> 00:44:30,900 from one to 2:00 PM Later that day we will be 954 00:44:31,634 --> 00:44:36,066 hosting a, a community input meeting cater will 955 00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:39,066 at the Schlow Library where we normally have 956 00:44:39,066 --> 00:44:40,233 our input meetings. 957 00:44:41,033 --> 00:44:42,567 That will be from four to 6:00 PM 958 00:44:43,033 --> 00:44:45,867 and we will also feature a remote opportunity 959 00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:47,233 for participation at that meeting. 960 00:44:47,834 --> 00:44:51,033 And then the third one is just another online only meeting 961 00:44:51,033 --> 00:44:52,567 geared toward the university committee 962 00:44:52,567 --> 00:44:56,367 that will be held via Zoom on September 14th from 11 963 00:44:56,433 --> 00:44:59,000 to 12:00 PM So those are some public outreach 964 00:44:59,367 --> 00:45:01,100 opportunities we have for the fall. 965 00:45:01,033 --> 00:45:03,500 And again, we'll do something very similar in the spring. 966 00:45:04,934 --> 00:45:07,266 A couple of just more, a couple more updates. 967 00:45:08,133 --> 00:45:12,834 So we are scheduled to receive proposals this Thursday 968 00:45:13,133 --> 00:45:15,734 for a real estate consulting services. 969 00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:19,066 This is something that the board had authorized us several 970 00:45:19,066 --> 00:45:22,467 months ago and we have initiated the procurement. 971 00:45:23,166 --> 00:45:25,266 So the consultant's really gonna be hired 972 00:45:25,266 --> 00:45:26,734 to help us with two tasks. 973 00:45:27,233 --> 00:45:31,300 Two tasks. First is assisting cada with searching 974 00:45:31,367 --> 00:45:35,300 for basically a paved surface lot that we could lease 975 00:45:35,567 --> 00:45:37,634 and be, that could be used for bus operator 976 00:45:37,667 --> 00:45:39,266 and CDL training purposes. 977 00:45:40,133 --> 00:45:43,033 As we've probably told you in the past, a local church 978 00:45:43,667 --> 00:45:47,000 has allowed CADA to use a portion of its parking lot 979 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,767 for these purposes for the last few years. 980 00:45:49,433 --> 00:45:51,767 We continue to have a great relationship with them. 981 00:45:52,066 --> 00:45:53,533 Very much appreciate their willingness 982 00:45:53,533 --> 00:45:54,734 to let us use their lot. 983 00:45:54,834 --> 00:45:57,500 But of, you know, of course their needs are always going 984 00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:59,367 to trump ours because they're the property owner. 985 00:45:59,567 --> 00:46:02,066 They rarely do. But every once in a while we do get a 986 00:46:02,066 --> 00:46:05,533 request, not use a lot on some, some of the times 987 00:46:05,533 --> 00:46:06,634 that we have it scheduled. 988 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,634 So it'd really be great for Canada to have access to a lot 989 00:46:09,634 --> 00:46:12,300 that we can control for bus operator and CDL training. 990 00:46:13,467 --> 00:46:15,700 So the consultant will be tasked with helping us 991 00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:18,300 to find such a property if one exists in our region 992 00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:23,033 that is available and assist us with securing a lease. 993 00:46:23,033 --> 00:46:25,000 And again, that would just be a lease facility. 994 00:46:25,734 --> 00:46:28,266 But second, and really the primary task that we've talked 995 00:46:28,266 --> 00:46:30,033 to you about is that the consultant 996 00:46:30,266 --> 00:46:33,000 who in all likelihood will also be a licensed real estate 997 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,066 agent, they will help us assess 998 00:46:35,066 --> 00:46:36,567 available properties in the region. 999 00:46:37,133 --> 00:46:39,033 And you know, and potentially if there's one 1000 00:46:39,033 --> 00:46:42,567 that suits our needs, they they would help us 1001 00:46:42,567 --> 00:46:45,533 with a purchase, you know, for a property 1002 00:46:45,533 --> 00:46:48,000 that would be suitable for a future cattle facility 1003 00:46:48,166 --> 00:46:50,000 that we've talked about for potentially 1004 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,467 for our own demand services operating out 1005 00:46:53,467 --> 00:46:54,700 of a CADA owned facility. 1006 00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:57,500 We could move the bus operator in training 1007 00:46:58,133 --> 00:47:00,066 a CDL training there as well. 1008 00:47:00,567 --> 00:47:03,333 If we had a lease facility, we would just end the lease 1009 00:47:03,367 --> 00:47:05,100 and move it to this permanent facility. 1010 00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:08,500 You know, they would help us to, 1011 00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:15,033 you know, identify basically our needs 1012 00:47:15,734 --> 00:47:17,734 and whatever else cattle may need. 1013 00:47:18,066 --> 00:47:20,467 By the way, you know, the by, by the way, 1014 00:47:20,467 --> 00:47:21,834 of facilities in the future, 1015 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,033 it could also host an alternative fueling infrastructure if 1016 00:47:25,033 --> 00:47:26,934 at some point we ever decided we wanted 1017 00:47:26,934 --> 00:47:29,033 to do something different than CNG. 1018 00:47:29,367 --> 00:47:31,367 'cause we don't really have room on this side in 1019 00:47:31,367 --> 00:47:32,500 order to do something else. 1020 00:47:33,233 --> 00:47:36,266 So anyway, the cat, the, the consultant will assist us, 1021 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,100 you know, with other needs related to this task, such 1022 00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:40,300 as helping us define our needs, 1023 00:47:40,567 --> 00:47:42,533 ensuring the properties are suitable for our needs, 1024 00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,567 and then assisting us with any federal real estate 1025 00:47:47,266 --> 00:47:48,634 acquisition processes 1026 00:47:48,667 --> 00:47:51,467 and procedures that we may need to follow as a condition of, 1027 00:47:51,834 --> 00:47:53,634 as a condition of future federal funding. 1028 00:47:54,266 --> 00:47:57,266 So we look forward to giving you another update next month. 1029 00:47:57,567 --> 00:48:00,100 'cause like I said, proposals are due on Thursday, 1030 00:48:00,166 --> 00:48:01,300 so hopefully we'll be able 1031 00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:03,033 to give you a positive update at 1032 00:48:03,033 --> 00:48:04,100 your September board meeting. 1033 00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:07,133 And then finally, just wanna wrap up with a couple 1034 00:48:07,133 --> 00:48:10,233 of brief updates on two capital projects we're working on 1035 00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:11,500 with Penn State. 1036 00:48:12,066 --> 00:48:16,100 And first is a, and this is very preliminary at this point. 1037 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,367 We are looking at a, working 1038 00:48:19,367 --> 00:48:21,700 with Penn State on a potential new bus transfer 1039 00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:22,734 center on campus. 1040 00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:25,066 Again, this is very early stages. 1041 00:48:25,066 --> 00:48:27,533 There's not a lot of detail I can report at this time. 1042 00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:30,500 But many of our current bus routes, you know, kind 1043 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:32,266 of traverse the heart of the Penn State campus. 1044 00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:34,066 Most of them use Cur road, 1045 00:48:34,166 --> 00:48:36,000 which is really the most congested 1046 00:48:36,767 --> 00:48:40,000 thoroughfare across the campus last fall, CAT staff 1047 00:48:40,066 --> 00:48:41,066 and the Penn State staff. 1048 00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:44,767 We met talk about the Penn State master planning process, 1049 00:48:45,033 --> 00:48:46,033 which is now underway. 1050 00:48:47,066 --> 00:48:50,367 A new bus transfer facility on campus was discussed 1051 00:48:50,367 --> 00:48:54,000 as a need and agreed to by both parties shortly. 1052 00:48:54,033 --> 00:48:57,066 They thereafter, they identified a small 1053 00:48:57,634 --> 00:48:59,100 site in the vicinity of the, 1054 00:48:59,233 --> 00:49:01,300 the Bryce Jordan Center in Beaver Stadium 1055 00:49:01,634 --> 00:49:04,300 that could possibly re be redeveloped into a, 1056 00:49:05,033 --> 00:49:08,767 a new bus transfer center, you know, in a facility at 1057 00:49:08,767 --> 00:49:12,266 that location could potentially allow Canada to run several 1058 00:49:12,266 --> 00:49:14,367 of our buses into that site so 1059 00:49:14,367 --> 00:49:16,100 that they would avoid void the heart of campus 1060 00:49:16,834 --> 00:49:19,133 and then passengers would transfer to the, 1061 00:49:19,166 --> 00:49:20,533 to the loops in the links 1062 00:49:20,533 --> 00:49:22,100 and to get around campus from there. 1063 00:49:22,467 --> 00:49:26,100 So that would be, you know, that would have great benefits 1064 00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:27,700 with regard to congestion on campus 1065 00:49:27,834 --> 00:49:30,100 and on time performance benefits for us. 1066 00:49:30,867 --> 00:49:32,934 So we've recently had a couple of planning meetings 1067 00:49:32,934 --> 00:49:34,367 with the university to discuss 1068 00:49:34,367 --> 00:49:36,033 how such a project may be advanced. 1069 00:49:36,667 --> 00:49:39,100 Again, we remain in the very early stages 1070 00:49:39,133 --> 00:49:40,300 of planning for this project. 1071 00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:41,734 There's a lot of obstacles 1072 00:49:41,734 --> 00:49:44,867 and challenges to come that could ultimately derail it 1073 00:49:45,333 --> 00:49:46,934 and, you know, the, 1074 00:49:46,934 --> 00:49:48,834 the location could ultimately change as well. 1075 00:49:48,867 --> 00:49:52,300 But for our part, we have reached out to PennDOT to ask 1076 00:49:52,367 --> 00:49:56,333 for consulting assistance for preliminary design work 1077 00:49:56,634 --> 00:49:58,767 and we've received a positive response for them. 1078 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,634 I think there's a meeting possibly next week 1079 00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:01,934 to talk about it, talk 1080 00:50:01,934 --> 00:50:03,333 to PennDOT a little bit more about that. 1081 00:50:03,867 --> 00:50:07,033 And then we've also reached out to the FTA for guidance on 1082 00:50:07,834 --> 00:50:09,100 the federal requirements 1083 00:50:09,133 --> 00:50:11,567 for constructing such a facility on a property 1084 00:50:11,567 --> 00:50:13,033 that would be owned by the university. 1085 00:50:13,166 --> 00:50:16,634 And so again, there's a lot of things we need to work 1086 00:50:16,634 --> 00:50:19,934 through there that could, you know, ultimately be a a, 1087 00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:21,567 a non-starter for the university, 1088 00:50:21,934 --> 00:50:23,367 but we want to get that process going. 1089 00:50:23,533 --> 00:50:24,834 Well and for its part, 1090 00:50:24,834 --> 00:50:27,133 the university is doing its own due diligence, you know, 1091 00:50:27,266 --> 00:50:28,533 on feasibility as well. 1092 00:50:28,867 --> 00:50:31,533 So we'll keep you updated as that project progresses. 1093 00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:34,033 But I wanted to just kind of let you know 1094 00:50:34,033 --> 00:50:36,033 that there is a little movement on that project. 1095 00:50:36,233 --> 00:50:39,100 And then finally, I, I think I've informed you in the past 1096 00:50:39,033 --> 00:50:41,467 that at a previous meeting that we're working 1097 00:50:41,467 --> 00:50:44,133 with Penn State to cite a bus shelter at the college 1098 00:50:44,133 --> 00:50:45,834 and Allen bus stop downtown. 1099 00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:48,700 It'd be the first ever bus shelter at that stop, 1100 00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:50,700 which is one of our busiest in the system. 1101 00:50:51,266 --> 00:50:55,300 And, you know, don't wanna be too optimistic, 1102 00:50:55,333 --> 00:50:56,834 but I'm hoping that, you know, 1103 00:50:56,934 --> 00:50:59,000 a shelter could possibly install by the end 1104 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,767 of this calendar year at that site. 1105 00:51:01,166 --> 00:51:03,500 But we'll keep you updated on that project as well. 1106 00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:05,000 Awesome. That's 1107 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,000 - It. 1108 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,100 Thanks Todd. Any questions for Todd? Joe? No, Rob? 1109 00:51:12,033 --> 00:51:16,300 No, I think you said something about the standard transit 1110 00:51:16,333 --> 00:51:19,333 bus in the 12 years and the impact on maintenance. 1111 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,834 It was, did you say it was not significant? 1112 00:51:22,066 --> 00:51:23,734 Like a cost of extending the life? 1113 00:51:25,166 --> 00:51:27,367 - The maintenance cost definitely goes, goes up 1114 00:51:27,367 --> 00:51:28,834 for buses in the later years. 1115 00:51:28,834 --> 00:51:32,567 Yeah. The, the more years you have to maintain it. 1116 00:51:33,133 --> 00:51:34,533 So it would, I don't know if we want 1117 00:51:34,533 --> 00:51:36,033 to consider it significant or not. I'll, 1118 00:51:36,333 --> 00:51:40,000 - I mean we did, I had maintenance guys take a look. 1119 00:51:40,066 --> 00:51:43,033 They're anticipating 26 to 31% 1120 00:51:44,033 --> 00:51:45,333 increase in maintenance costs 1121 00:51:46,634 --> 00:51:48,533 - And the total budget - Or just 1122 00:51:49,133 --> 00:51:51,000 increase in maintenance costs over those couple years. 1123 00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:54,033 Oh, okay. Per bus. Per bus, okay. 1124 00:51:55,033 --> 00:51:57,133 So it's fairly significant. Yeah. Okay. 1125 00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,100 - Thank you. That's all I know 1126 00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:01,567 - One, yeah, I should have jumped in earlier 1127 00:52:01,767 --> 00:52:03,333 - With - A couple of these questions, but I'll 1128 00:52:03,634 --> 00:52:04,634 - No, that's fine. 1129 00:52:06,767 --> 00:52:11,567 - Well first of all, with the decrease in ridership, 1130 00:52:11,667 --> 00:52:12,934 you know that we see in this, 1131 00:52:14,567 --> 00:52:18,934 aren't we exceeding the allowed spare ratio of vehicles? 1132 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,033 I mean that's set by PennDOT, isn't it? 1133 00:52:22,367 --> 00:52:24,000 - It's set by the fta A f Yeah. Right. 1134 00:52:24,166 --> 00:52:26,100 Bruce seems to be chomping at the bit to jump in. 1135 00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:27,700 So I'm gonna let him do this. Well, because I have 1136 00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:28,700 - The plan. 1137 00:52:29,333 --> 00:52:32,567 Yes. We are in fact above our spare ratio. Yeah. 1138 00:52:32,867 --> 00:52:34,333 What, what is our ratio? 1139 00:52:34,467 --> 00:52:37,233 Our spare ratio is, should be 20%, 1140 00:52:37,433 --> 00:52:40,233 which means we should have is it that high? 1141 00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:43,934 Approximately 43 right now? 1142 00:52:44,033 --> 00:52:47,867 43 buses right now we have 52 1143 00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:53,367 or wait yeah, 52 we have there, 1144 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,867 we had to submit a plan to the FDA on when we would reach 1145 00:52:59,767 --> 00:53:02,066 our spare ratio of 20%. 1146 00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:07,066 The FTA has approved that plan. 1147 00:53:07,133 --> 00:53:11,033 It will take us until December. 1148 00:53:11,834 --> 00:53:13,900 Yeah, December of 2026. 1149 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,367 We will reach our spare ratio when we, 1150 00:53:16,667 --> 00:53:19,300 we will put more buses into our contingency fleet. 1151 00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:23,066 Once we've done that, then Derek, mark, myself, 1152 00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:25,834 will sit down and say, how many 1153 00:53:25,834 --> 00:53:28,567 of those buses should we actually sell and get rid of? 1154 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,133 'cause we still have to maintain them. 1155 00:53:31,133 --> 00:53:35,100 - The, so the FDA doesn't, ma doesn't care 1156 00:53:35,133 --> 00:53:36,767 how many you have in your contingency fleet. 1157 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,567 - No, - That's interesting. 1158 00:53:38,934 --> 00:53:40,467 And how many would we have then? 1159 00:53:41,734 --> 00:53:44,233 - Currently there's 14 1160 00:53:45,166 --> 00:53:48,000 and depending on what we do here in January, 1161 00:53:48,133 --> 00:53:49,834 but we'll add probably another six 1162 00:53:49,834 --> 00:53:51,000 to it. So we'll be at 20. 1163 00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:54,000 - Wow. So that's a lot of spare buses 1164 00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:56,033 could be carrying passengers somewhere. 1165 00:53:56,033 --> 00:54:00,066 - Well, we know we, we have to keep 10 because of our rx. 1166 00:54:01,033 --> 00:54:05,333 We, we've also gotten approval from FDA region three 1167 00:54:06,734 --> 00:54:10,033 that obviously contingency fleets are only supposed 1168 00:54:10,033 --> 00:54:13,533 to be used in the event of a declared emergency declared 1169 00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:16,333 by either the state or the county emergency management. 1170 00:54:17,634 --> 00:54:20,367 We've been given a waiver from ft. 1171 00:54:20,367 --> 00:54:22,133 A region three that should, we have 1172 00:54:22,133 --> 00:54:24,233 to take our R ticks off the road 1173 00:54:24,266 --> 00:54:27,433 because of severe winter weather conditions 1174 00:54:28,367 --> 00:54:32,934 that we can pull 10 up to 10 of our contingency fleet out 1175 00:54:33,934 --> 00:54:37,133 and operate those as backfield for the arctics. 1176 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,333 - Interesting. - So we know we've gotta keep at least 10 1177 00:54:41,367 --> 00:54:42,867 and then it will be up to Derek 1178 00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:46,066 and Mark to determine above that, 1179 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,233 how many more should we keep that will determine 1180 00:54:49,266 --> 00:54:51,333 should we sell some, and if so, how many? 1181 00:54:52,133 --> 00:54:53,734 - And part of that too is, you know, 1182 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,500 we're looking at a five year plan right now as far 1183 00:54:56,500 --> 00:55:01,066 as our service plan is that given the fact that if we were 1184 00:55:01,066 --> 00:55:03,000 to try to purchase a Boston get additional, 1185 00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:05,834 it's gonna take us I think 24 months now, almost two 1186 00:55:05,834 --> 00:55:06,834 - Years. 1187 00:55:06,834 --> 00:55:10,934 - Yes. And so being very methodical in this approach on 1188 00:55:10,934 --> 00:55:13,934 what we do with this fleet into the future is going 1189 00:55:13,934 --> 00:55:15,133 to be important for Canada 1190 00:55:15,133 --> 00:55:18,634 because we are looking at the expansion of an, you know, 1191 00:55:18,634 --> 00:55:20,500 of some services over the next couple years. 1192 00:55:20,734 --> 00:55:23,333 So we don't want to find ourselves in a position of, 1193 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,266 we need, you know, we don't have enough 1194 00:55:25,367 --> 00:55:27,934 to supplement our heart ticks during, you know, weather 1195 00:55:28,533 --> 00:55:31,500 and we don't have enough to be able to add, you know, 1196 00:55:31,834 --> 00:55:32,934 services as we're planning 1197 00:55:33,834 --> 00:55:35,100 because it's not like we can 1198 00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:36,367 just go out and buy another boss. 1199 00:55:36,700 --> 00:55:38,634 So it's important that we are very careful on 1200 00:55:38,634 --> 00:55:40,166 how our approach is when we move 1201 00:55:40,166 --> 00:55:41,166 - Forward with this. 1202 00:55:41,166 --> 00:55:45,567 And, and as our maximum pullout increases, then 1203 00:55:45,767 --> 00:55:49,700 that 20% spare ratio, the number also goes up. 1204 00:55:49,867 --> 00:55:51,934 So if we go to 50 maximum 1205 00:55:52,133 --> 00:55:55,100 pullout, we can have 10. 1206 00:55:55,867 --> 00:55:57,266 We we, we can have 10 spares. 1207 00:55:57,700 --> 00:56:00,367 - So you're confident that our pullout is going to increase. 1208 00:56:00,734 --> 00:56:03,734 - I didn't say that, sir. I talked to Derek on that. 1209 00:56:03,934 --> 00:56:05,100 I don't do the service planning. 1210 00:56:07,233 --> 00:56:09,567 - Okay. Second question may be 1211 00:56:09,567 --> 00:56:11,467 for Joe more than anybody else here. 1212 00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:17,066 When I first moved to town, I was, 1213 00:56:19,233 --> 00:56:22,100 well I guess the, I guess that cat of Orange has been 1214 00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:23,500 around since center line. 1215 00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:26,300 Right. And always struck me that 1216 00:56:26,333 --> 00:56:29,033 that didn't really go very well with Penn State Blue. 1217 00:56:31,066 --> 00:56:33,467 And am I right that it was just the favorite color 1218 00:56:33,567 --> 00:56:35,066 of a former general manager? 1219 00:56:39,166 --> 00:56:42,066 - That would've been Kevin Abbey and that was before me, 1220 00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:43,100 - But Oh, okay. 1221 00:56:43,567 --> 00:56:46,333 - I, I know that former board member Richard 1222 00:56:48,133 --> 00:56:51,367 had a lot to do with the actual colors. 1223 00:56:51,634 --> 00:56:54,567 And I think Mark would probably remember that. 1224 00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:58,033 - No, I, I'm, I'm wasn't that much before you Joe. 1225 00:56:58,233 --> 00:57:00,467 And I'm the same way. I'm not exactly sure 1226 00:57:00,467 --> 00:57:01,467 where it did come from. 1227 00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:03,567 - I'm not, it just, it just doesn't seem 1228 00:57:03,567 --> 00:57:05,567 to compliment Penn State Blue. It 1229 00:57:05,567 --> 00:57:06,567 - Doesn't. 1230 00:57:06,567 --> 00:57:08,100 So when I started the board, 1231 00:57:08,133 --> 00:57:12,100 the former board chairman told me it was intentional 1232 00:57:13,133 --> 00:57:15,333 to make it stand out different 1233 00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:18,467 - Among - A sea of blue and white. 1234 00:57:19,467 --> 00:57:22,000 - I guess it does. - Yeah. At one point we did have blue 1235 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,000 and white buses Yeah. 1236 00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:24,734 - That were blue. Yeah, I remember those. I think 1237 00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:27,834 - They were in the loop and, and I think the orange 1238 00:57:27,867 --> 00:57:32,567 and the white was intentional to make them discreet. 1239 00:57:32,567 --> 00:57:34,266 And, and I, 1240 00:57:34,467 --> 00:57:37,367 - You know, I just, I've visited hundreds of transit systems 1241 00:57:37,667 --> 00:57:39,066 and I just don't think it's 1242 00:57:39,533 --> 00:57:41,834 - Identity and not Penn State and 1243 00:57:41,834 --> 00:57:44,133 - Not Penn State, but you, I think you can find a more 1244 00:57:45,133 --> 00:57:48,567 attractive color for just anyone visiting town. 1245 00:57:48,934 --> 00:57:51,700 So I, that would be my idea to look around how many 1246 00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:52,867 - Think about other colors, like 1247 00:57:52,867 --> 00:57:54,834 what percentage are wrapped in ads? 1248 00:57:56,133 --> 00:57:57,333 - In in - Ads? Yeah. 1249 00:58:02,867 --> 00:58:04,634 - I don't know. That's a good question. 1250 00:58:05,066 --> 00:58:07,066 I've never really counted the number of buses. 1251 00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:08,867 - I would, I mean, I, I would like 1252 00:58:08,867 --> 00:58:10,033 to see, we don't us make money, 1253 00:58:10,867 --> 00:58:13,033 - We don't have, - I like the orange, but 1254 00:58:14,166 --> 00:58:19,133 - We don't have, When 1255 00:58:19,133 --> 00:58:20,433 you say wraps, 1256 00:58:20,734 --> 00:58:24,300 you're talking full wraps and not Yeah. 1257 00:58:24,333 --> 00:58:26,700 Or things like, and that varies partial. 1258 00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:28,667 We have, we have King Kongs 1259 00:58:28,667 --> 00:58:30,066 that were just on the side of the bus. 1260 00:58:30,266 --> 00:58:33,166 We have rear full wraps 1261 00:58:35,567 --> 00:58:36,934 is a smaller percentage 1262 00:58:36,934 --> 00:58:39,900 of our advertising than say the King Kongs. 1263 00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:42,000 And I mean, when I say a smaller percentage, 1264 00:58:42,066 --> 00:58:43,500 I'm talking about number of vehicles. 1265 00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:47,700 Obviously full wraps bring in a lot more money from, 1266 00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:49,033 from a revenue standpoint. 1267 00:58:50,166 --> 00:58:52,667 I can get you that number mark. I have it. 1268 00:58:52,767 --> 00:58:55,166 I would just have to go through and dig it out. Oh, I was 1269 00:58:55,166 --> 00:58:56,100 - Just curious. Yeah, no 1270 00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:57,100 - Rush. 1271 00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:58,900 Yeah. And we do a lot of in, we do a lot 1272 00:58:58,900 --> 00:59:00,233 of interior advertising. 1273 00:59:00,834 --> 00:59:03,133 - Yeah. So, I'm sorry, Juan, any more 1274 00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:04,500 - Questions? 1275 00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:06,000 Okay. Well I just, you know, might suggest 1276 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,166 that we look at some other color schemes and, and maybe a, 1277 00:59:09,634 --> 00:59:12,667 - Not not for the ostentatious, 1278 00:59:12,734 --> 00:59:16,634 but our, our, our advertising firm says it's not orange, 1279 00:59:16,834 --> 00:59:18,233 it's fire engine Red fire. 1280 00:59:20,033 --> 00:59:22,533 I don't know why that, and I have, I have an mg I have an 1281 00:59:22,767 --> 00:59:24,100 MGB that's the same color 1282 00:59:24,233 --> 00:59:25,934 and it's called f fire engine name. There's 1283 00:59:26,033 --> 00:59:28,066 - Probably even a number code, right, Laura? Yes, 1284 00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:31,834 - There is, there's, there's a color code that they use for, 1285 00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:33,834 for our, for our logos. 1286 00:59:34,367 --> 00:59:35,100 - Okay. Another thing, 1287 00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:36,700 another question I wanted to bring up. 1288 00:59:36,734 --> 00:59:41,066 You talk about a transit hub or something. 1289 00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:44,567 And of course many cities have those 1290 00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:46,734 where all their bus routes meet in one place. 1291 00:59:48,367 --> 00:59:52,834 To me, I mean, that might be a good idea for campus service, 1292 00:59:53,433 --> 00:59:56,767 but for non-campus service, there's a real need 1293 00:59:56,867 --> 01:00:00,133 for a connection between the AC and the CC routes 1294 01:00:00,133 --> 01:00:02,100 because half of those transfers 1295 01:00:02,433 --> 01:00:07,300 between those routes require a, a long block walk to get, 1296 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,734 you know, from one direction to the other. 1297 01:00:10,734 --> 01:00:15,033 Like if I'm going into north on Atherton Street 1298 01:00:15,133 --> 01:00:18,066 and I would go east on College Avenue, I have 1299 01:00:18,066 --> 01:00:20,133 to walk from college Allen up to school library. 1300 01:00:21,066 --> 01:00:25,367 Those two routes are just half only make half 1301 01:00:25,367 --> 01:00:27,767 of the connections where it makes any sense. 1302 01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:29,500 You know, like I could go north 1303 01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:33,166 and go west to here on this EC from college in Allen, 1304 01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:36,367 but if I wanna go east, have to walk a long block. 1305 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,867 So I think we should consider maybe 1306 01:00:41,767 --> 01:00:44,433 an additional transfer thing for non-campus 1307 01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:46,667 or maybe one that covers all the needs 1308 01:00:46,667 --> 01:00:48,634 of transfers in our area. 1309 01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:50,700 You know, 1310 01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:55,266 - I think we're very early in this, correct. 1311 01:00:55,433 --> 01:00:57,033 I mean, correct me with anything. Absolutely. 1312 01:00:58,867 --> 01:01:03,000 So part of it is not just intera, it's connecting with 1313 01:01:03,367 --> 01:01:06,033 other forms of other bus systems. 1314 01:01:08,133 --> 01:01:11,367 But Vaughn, I think we, I think part of the, 1315 01:01:14,133 --> 01:01:15,867 the money from PennDOT PennDOT, correct. 1316 01:01:15,934 --> 01:01:19,066 For the feasibility part of the money from PennDOT would be 1317 01:01:19,066 --> 01:01:20,500 to look at locations. 1318 01:01:20,934 --> 01:01:25,066 Yeah. So Penn State has started to talk about one, 1319 01:01:25,133 --> 01:01:26,900 but there could be many others. 1320 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,367 And I think the feasibility study would, we're 1321 01:01:30,367 --> 01:01:32,000 so early in this, you know, 1322 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,900 they'll be more brought back to us. I think 1323 01:01:34,767 --> 01:01:38,033 - Campus, - We're participating in the boroughs, you know, 1324 01:01:38,033 --> 01:01:40,000 ongoing studies of college 1325 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,100 and Allen with Penn State, 1326 01:01:41,433 --> 01:01:43,100 there might be some opportunities there. 1327 01:01:43,266 --> 01:01:46,066 The borough's also looking at the downtown bus depot 1328 01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:49,734 as doing some redevelopment at that site. 1329 01:01:49,867 --> 01:01:53,066 That could possibly be ca it could serve it. 1330 01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:55,433 It's not ideal the way it's set up now, 1331 01:01:55,533 --> 01:01:58,367 but if they made some modifications to the ingress 1332 01:01:58,367 --> 01:02:01,000 and egress, it could become, you know, a possibility. 1333 01:02:01,033 --> 01:02:02,867 So there's, there's other possibilities. Yeah. 1334 01:02:02,867 --> 01:02:05,834 But what I had mentioned was really consider 1335 01:02:06,767 --> 01:02:08,000 - Not just campus service. 1336 01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:11,033 Right. All, everybody needs to transfer, you 1337 01:02:11,033 --> 01:02:13,133 - Know? Okay. 1338 01:02:13,367 --> 01:02:15,000 - I think that's my questions. - Okay. 1339 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,066 Margy, any questions? No, no. Thanks. Okay. 1340 01:02:20,767 --> 01:02:22,133 I do not have a chairman's report. 1341 01:02:23,533 --> 01:02:25,867 Just, we have a packed meeting 1342 01:02:25,900 --> 01:02:27,133 and a packed executive session. 1343 01:02:27,367 --> 01:02:29,867 So I'm trying to look at what we could do here if we, 1344 01:02:29,934 --> 01:02:32,300 if it'd be possible to bundle old business 1345 01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:33,867 and recurring items A, B, and C. 1346 01:02:34,033 --> 01:02:38,066 Together we have our reports from Emily, Marin, and Bruce. 1347 01:02:38,367 --> 01:02:40,700 They did a great job. I'm just gonna go 1348 01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:43,100 around if you have questions on any of those three. 1349 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,300 Let's, let's do that 1350 01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:47,533 and then we'll vote on this package together. 1351 01:02:48,133 --> 01:02:49,233 - Can I just note that A 1352 01:02:49,233 --> 01:02:51,066 and B were really presented by Derek, 1353 01:02:51,066 --> 01:02:52,767 presented the numbers last month 1354 01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:56,500 or talked about, talked about our year yearend ridership. 1355 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,033 And so he gave some of the information there. 1356 01:02:59,133 --> 01:03:02,100 So, oh, I'm sorry. The reports are really just the actual 1357 01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:03,133 formal quarterly reports. 1358 01:03:03,266 --> 01:03:04,634 Yeah. No, we have them. Yeah. 1359 01:03:04,834 --> 01:03:06,367 - Yeah. So Margy, I'll start with you. 1360 01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:08,266 Any questions on any of those reports? 1361 01:03:09,333 --> 01:03:11,734 - No, I, I didn't have any questions on any of 'em. Okay. 1362 01:03:13,066 --> 01:03:17,100 - V - Not on the reports, 1363 01:03:17,166 --> 01:03:19,300 but I thought of another question if I could Sure. 1364 01:03:19,367 --> 01:03:21,000 If I quick ask on our sheet 1365 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,367 that showed the ridership change on fixed route, 1366 01:03:24,533 --> 01:03:25,533 - I think. 1367 01:03:25,533 --> 01:03:26,100 Is that part of the next item? 1368 01:03:26,433 --> 01:03:28,867 - No, it's not. It was the, the separate sheet 1369 01:03:28,867 --> 01:03:31,233 that you sent out that showed the 10 year 1370 01:03:32,867 --> 01:03:34,100 you emailed out to us. 1371 01:03:35,033 --> 01:03:36,000 - Okay. Yeah. Go for - It. Yeah. 1372 01:03:37,433 --> 01:03:42,000 Do we have the 10 year figures for total ridership 1373 01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:43,333 of all ca services? 1374 01:03:44,767 --> 01:03:48,333 I mean, is our, is our paratransit gone up a lot to, 1375 01:03:49,333 --> 01:03:52,500 so it doesn't help offset the loss in the fixed route. 1376 01:03:53,433 --> 01:03:57,767 - Okay. And that your paratransit ridership wouldn't offset 1377 01:03:57,867 --> 01:03:59,367 the offset that anyways. 1378 01:03:59,734 --> 01:04:01,233 'cause it, it's a totally different funding. 1379 01:04:01,767 --> 01:04:03,567 - I just meant total passenger count is 1380 01:04:03,567 --> 01:04:04,567 - What I was thinking. 1381 01:04:04,567 --> 01:04:07,100 Well, I'm just saying that it's, it that would not offset 1382 01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:10,000 that anyways because it's a totally, it's, 1383 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,500 it's calculated differently. So you have fixed out over 1384 01:04:12,667 --> 01:04:14,066 - Still count the number of rider you carry. 1385 01:04:14,166 --> 01:04:16,033 Huh? You still count the number of writers you carry. 1386 01:04:16,033 --> 01:04:17,734 - No, no, I understand that. I'm just saying from a 1387 01:04:17,734 --> 01:04:18,867 funding standpoint, it doesn't 1388 01:04:18,867 --> 01:04:19,867 - Change. 1389 01:04:19,867 --> 01:04:20,367 I'm not asking about funding. I just, 1390 01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:22,467 I'm the total number of rider for 1391 01:04:22,467 --> 01:04:24,000 - Call services. Yeah, we 1392 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,000 - Can get that. 1393 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,734 But I, I just wonder, you know, has, 1394 01:04:27,133 --> 01:04:31,000 because we've, you know, a lot of the outlying routes 1395 01:04:31,433 --> 01:04:33,266 and have, you know, maybe 1396 01:04:33,266 --> 01:04:34,867 that accounts for some of our loss. 1397 01:04:35,467 --> 01:04:40,066 But has paratransit gone up significantly over the years? 1398 01:04:40,233 --> 01:04:42,233 - No, it's actually gone. It's gone down. Gone 1399 01:04:42,233 --> 01:04:44,066 - On the, so we're hurting in both areas. 1400 01:04:45,066 --> 01:04:46,367 Well, thank you. Your it's 1401 01:04:46,533 --> 01:04:47,533 - Micro transit. 1402 01:04:47,533 --> 01:04:49,500 Micro transit has come up. Some of those 1403 01:04:49,567 --> 01:04:51,300 - That's meant micro, 1404 01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:54,567 - So it's an offset to each other. 1405 01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:57,300 Okay. Which isn't a bad thing from a, 1406 01:04:57,533 --> 01:05:00,100 from a internal standpoint, offsetting 1407 01:05:00,700 --> 01:05:02,367 microt transit to paratransit. 1408 01:05:02,634 --> 01:05:04,100 So people are still getting those trips, 1409 01:05:04,133 --> 01:05:05,300 but it's cheaper to operate. 1410 01:05:05,367 --> 01:05:06,867 Microt Transit has paratransit. Yeah. 1411 01:05:07,433 --> 01:05:08,834 - Thank you. Can we can update that? Sure. Yeah, 1412 01:05:08,834 --> 01:05:09,834 - We can get that. 1413 01:05:09,834 --> 01:05:11,000 - It took me a minute, but I know what you're talking about 1414 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,000 - Now. 1415 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,066 So anything else Juan? 1416 01:05:14,166 --> 01:05:16,867 - No. Tried to shut up. - I got a question. It's, 1417 01:05:16,934 --> 01:05:19,000 - I'm not gonna, I'm not trying to put you guys in the spot, 1418 01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:20,867 but what is the cost? 1419 01:05:20,867 --> 01:05:22,033 What is our cost per rider 1420 01:05:22,266 --> 01:05:24,333 for on-demand service versus fixed route? 1421 01:05:24,367 --> 01:05:26,767 Just as a general number And it could be something we 1422 01:05:26,767 --> 01:05:28,100 can, I'm just a super curious, 1423 01:05:28,233 --> 01:05:29,634 - I can get it for you, but I'll be very honest. 1424 01:05:29,834 --> 01:05:31,100 I would keep, we don't keep track cost 1425 01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:32,000 per rider for micro transit. 1426 01:05:32,266 --> 01:05:33,300 'cause it's apples and oranges. 1427 01:05:33,567 --> 01:05:36,100 It's actually apples and watermelons. Okay. 1428 01:05:36,667 --> 01:05:38,734 The overall cost of operation is 1429 01:05:38,734 --> 01:05:39,767 what you really should look at 1430 01:05:39,767 --> 01:05:41,300 because it's more business oriented. 1431 01:05:42,734 --> 01:05:44,767 It's kind of like looking at the revenue hour. 1432 01:05:46,066 --> 01:05:48,233 But we can, I mean, we can get those numbers okay. 1433 01:05:48,567 --> 01:05:51,000 But we don't keep track of the cost per rider 1434 01:05:51,367 --> 01:05:52,367 only for some fact. 1435 01:05:52,367 --> 01:05:55,367 If I equate that to the same thing as like a white loop. 1436 01:05:55,834 --> 01:05:57,266 Yeah. It's not even the same thing. 1437 01:05:57,934 --> 01:06:00,100 So it's overall cost of operation. 1438 01:06:01,333 --> 01:06:04,000 So if I have a, if I have a route that I've, you know, 1439 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,100 transitioned over to micro transit, it's looking at 1440 01:06:07,100 --> 01:06:08,867 that route and what that total cost would've been. 1441 01:06:09,266 --> 01:06:11,266 And I think we talked a little bit about that before. 1442 01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:16,100 It's, and then looking at the overall cost of microt transit 1443 01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:18,300 is where the key is to that. 1444 01:06:18,367 --> 01:06:20,934 And that's how you can actually compare, you know, 1445 01:06:20,934 --> 01:06:22,867 more apples to apples. Okay. 1446 01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:25,567 - I, I'd be interested in, I made a statement in a meeting 1447 01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:27,100 and I think I was completely wrong 1448 01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:30,000 and I'm just super curious how far wrong I was. 1449 01:06:31,066 --> 01:06:33,867 - So, - But I, I find it's interesting that you 1450 01:06:33,934 --> 01:06:35,000 and I don't, we don't need to debate 1451 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,100 - About that. No, no, no. That's all I would 1452 01:06:36,100 --> 01:06:37,100 - Love to talk about. 1453 01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:38,133 Yeah. Why you don't track that number 1454 01:06:38,233 --> 01:06:41,033 and just get into that logic not to question it just 1455 01:06:41,433 --> 01:06:42,433 - No, no, no. 1456 01:06:42,433 --> 01:06:44,634 Anytime. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We, 1457 01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:46,100 - We had cost per revenue hour, 1458 01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:47,100 - Correct? 1459 01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:48,333 Oh yeah. Yep. That 1460 01:06:48,333 --> 01:06:50,367 - Is, - And I, off the top of my head 1461 01:06:50,367 --> 01:06:53,033 and Bruce made any these better than I am at the moment. 1462 01:06:54,133 --> 01:06:57,433 I think, and these are somewhat, 1463 01:06:58,066 --> 01:07:01,934 I think we're 180 something for fixed route. 1464 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,266 We were 1 58. 1 58. Okay. For fixed for. 1465 01:07:05,533 --> 01:07:10,300 - And we were 90, 98 1466 01:07:11,734 --> 01:07:14,100 just shot 98 for CATA Go 1467 01:07:14,233 --> 01:07:15,233 - For Mike Transit. 1468 01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:17,266 - Yeah. And para 1469 01:07:17,266 --> 01:07:20,934 transit is 1470 01:07:22,033 --> 01:07:23,333 - Where one 30 is. I I 1471 01:07:23,500 --> 01:07:24,500 - Remember. 1472 01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:25,133 Yeah. It's like 1 48. Yeah. 1473 01:07:25,433 --> 01:07:28,934 But the problem with para transit is, doesn't matter 1474 01:07:28,934 --> 01:07:30,100 what it costs, we have to run it. 1475 01:07:30,166 --> 01:07:32,300 Yeah. It's a federal mandate. 1476 01:07:32,667 --> 01:07:34,333 So we're gonna run paratransit 1477 01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:41,934 and we don't get any, unlike our 1478 01:07:43,867 --> 01:07:48,000 shared ride on paratransit, we, we don't get lottery funding 1479 01:07:48,567 --> 01:07:50,233 for, except for seniors. 1480 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,367 And we've seen a migration of seniors going over to CATA Go. 1481 01:07:55,533 --> 01:07:59,066 Yeah. Which we get no lottery funding for. 1482 01:08:01,433 --> 01:08:06,033 So it's, and we, and we prefer to see 'em go to ca CATA Go 1483 01:08:06,033 --> 01:08:08,433 because it's, it's, it's cheaper mode to operate, 1484 01:08:09,333 --> 01:08:12,133 but you lose a, you, 1485 01:08:12,133 --> 01:08:14,634 you do lose the lottery funding when they move over. 1486 01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:16,233 - Yeah. It's offsetting, 1487 01:08:20,634 --> 01:08:22,000 - I I have an open-ended question. 1488 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,367 Maybe it's a discussion during the strategic plan, 1489 01:08:24,567 --> 01:08:28,500 but addressing how over the last 10 years we've, 1490 01:08:29,033 --> 01:08:31,266 we've lost like 2 million riders a year 1491 01:08:31,867 --> 01:08:33,467 and how we're gonna regain that. 1492 01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:35,266 So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 1493 01:08:35,333 --> 01:08:36,867 - It's a huge, that kind of, 1494 01:08:38,033 --> 01:08:39,533 - I'm not trying to drop the, the meeting and, 1495 01:08:39,634 --> 01:08:42,634 and then just leave, but I just looking at Marin's report 1496 01:08:42,634 --> 01:08:45,667 and then the stuff that was sent out in the email with the, 1497 01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:47,700 it's a, it's a big number's, 1498 01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:48,700 - Really big number. 1499 01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:50,934 I, I will tell you a large chunk of that. Yeah. 1500 01:08:51,634 --> 01:08:56,533 And only 'cause I witnessed it was prior to COVID, one 1501 01:08:56,533 --> 01:08:59,433 of the biggest hits we took was, especially on our loops, 1502 01:09:00,333 --> 01:09:05,033 was when that death occurred and things changed on campus 1503 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,867 and where parties were, because I was out there every night 1504 01:09:09,066 --> 01:09:10,500 and we were putting the cattle gates up. 1505 01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:13,100 We had three or 400 kids on a nightly 1506 01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:14,367 basis at any given time. 1507 01:09:15,066 --> 01:09:16,233 We don't even put the gates up anymore. 1508 01:09:17,367 --> 01:09:20,500 There's just no, that ridership is not there anymore. 1509 01:09:20,734 --> 01:09:23,066 And then same thing at Beaver Hills, pushing them back. 1510 01:09:24,500 --> 01:09:25,734 That was one piece of it. 1511 01:09:25,900 --> 01:09:29,533 And then maneuver and lift started becoming into our area. 1512 01:09:30,133 --> 01:09:31,934 You started the combination of the two, 1513 01:09:32,333 --> 01:09:34,033 we started seeing the transition of 1514 01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:35,467 how things happened in the area. 1515 01:09:36,734 --> 01:09:41,667 - Can you attribute any of that decline in ridership 1516 01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:42,700 to the spin bikes? 1517 01:09:44,734 --> 01:09:47,500 - There's probably some, I, I'm sure there's some 1518 01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:48,834 to it, don't get me wrong. 1519 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,834 'cause I know Marina, you know, we've talked about this 1520 01:09:50,834 --> 01:09:54,266 before, you know, things are changing people's, you know, 1521 01:09:54,266 --> 01:09:55,500 they can get around that way. 1522 01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:57,867 They can get around. Of course they all, more 1523 01:09:57,867 --> 01:09:59,233 and more you're seeing electric pipes, 1524 01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:01,900 which is very easy to traverse, surround. 1525 01:10:02,634 --> 01:10:05,033 I know the campus doing a little bit more of a crackdown, 1526 01:10:05,033 --> 01:10:07,233 which I'm glad to see on the scooters. 1527 01:10:07,233 --> 01:10:10,100 The scooters were becoming very prevalent in the last couple 1528 01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:11,934 years and they're starting to crack that down. 1529 01:10:12,934 --> 01:10:14,100 But, you know, so there's pieces 1530 01:10:14,033 --> 01:10:15,333 of the pie all the way around. 1531 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,133 You know, it's, you know, I don't forever to be honest, 1532 01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:22,433 after watching 12 years, 1533 01:10:22,667 --> 01:10:25,433 I don't forever seeing us being able to get to 1534 01:10:25,433 --> 01:10:28,467 that 7 million mark again, only for some fact of 1535 01:10:28,467 --> 01:10:32,934 what we've seen transpire has totally changed the 1536 01:10:32,934 --> 01:10:34,066 way that we operate. 1537 01:10:35,233 --> 01:10:38,433 You know, the days of, you know, those nights 1538 01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:41,166 and hitting thousands, I don't, I can't remember 1539 01:10:41,166 --> 01:10:42,500 what the numbers were, but I remember 1540 01:10:42,867 --> 01:10:44,133 shoving people into buses. 1541 01:10:45,367 --> 01:10:48,233 Those days are gone. And, you know, and, 1542 01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:50,900 and we loaded the daylights out of those back then 1543 01:10:50,900 --> 01:10:52,667 because we had to, to get 'em, 1544 01:10:52,667 --> 01:10:53,900 to get 'em where they needed to be. 1545 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,000 And, you know, we would transition. 1546 01:10:57,300 --> 01:11:00,700 I, I remember transitioning out out of service vehicles 1547 01:11:02,066 --> 01:11:04,533 because we still had so many kids sitting there. 1548 01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:08,567 We transitioned outta service XB routes or B routes 1549 01:11:08,567 --> 01:11:11,100 or whatever we, we filled up cutaways back then, 1550 01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:13,767 which kids all thought was the greatest thing ever. 1551 01:11:14,133 --> 01:11:16,000 But, you know, so there, there was a lot. 1552 01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:19,100 There's in what I see now at those time of night, 1553 01:11:19,734 --> 01:11:22,000 totally different world from what we used to see. 1554 01:11:23,166 --> 01:11:26,133 So yeah, it's, it's an ever, ever evolving world. 1555 01:11:29,734 --> 01:11:32,634 - I just want to ask, is there a, in APTA 1556 01:11:32,634 --> 01:11:35,567 or another an organization of 1557 01:11:36,934 --> 01:11:39,367 university centered transit systems, you know, towns 1558 01:11:39,367 --> 01:11:41,033 with large universities that get together 1559 01:11:41,033 --> 01:11:43,000 and discuss, we might want to say, 1560 01:11:43,567 --> 01:11:45,000 how has this affected other 1561 01:11:45,533 --> 01:11:47,233 university oriented transit system? 1562 01:11:47,467 --> 01:11:49,000 How they are dealing with it? There's been 1563 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,066 - University transit system committees on and off. 1564 01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:54,066 They seem to come and go for some reason. 1565 01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:56,467 I don't know why one won't stick, but, 1566 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,266 but C-T-A-A-I think also has one, 1567 01:11:59,467 --> 01:12:02,000 has maybe some resources there. So, yeah. 1568 01:12:02,533 --> 01:12:05,066 - Yeah. - But yeah. Okay. 1569 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,033 - Thank you. Rob, do you have another question? 1570 01:12:07,133 --> 01:12:09,066 No, I was good. Thank you very much. Joe. 1571 01:12:11,567 --> 01:12:13,066 Is there a motion to approve 1572 01:12:13,734 --> 01:12:16,767 items A, B and C? 1573 01:12:18,433 --> 01:12:21,934 Joe moved. Thanks, Joe. Second, second, second. Thanks Rob. 1574 01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:26,033 All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed passes. Thank you. 1575 01:12:27,266 --> 01:12:29,467 Up to new business, we have some 1576 01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:33,066 ridership recovery strategies. 1577 01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:34,266 Are you presenting this talk? 1578 01:12:34,834 --> 01:12:38,100 - Yeah, I can. So, you know, last month we, you know, 1579 01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:39,500 talked about our, you know, 1580 01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:41,233 our ridership loss over the past year. 1581 01:12:41,333 --> 01:12:45,767 We talked in the about strategies that, you know, 1582 01:12:46,033 --> 01:12:48,033 we're constantly thinking of strategies to try 1583 01:12:48,033 --> 01:12:49,100 to recover some ridership. 1584 01:12:49,634 --> 01:12:50,900 I think the two that we're kind 1585 01:12:50,900 --> 01:12:53,000 of most actively talking about right now, 1586 01:12:53,033 --> 01:12:56,533 you've got in these narrative paragraphs in front of you. 1587 01:12:57,133 --> 01:13:00,100 So one of the things we've talked about is potentially 1588 01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:02,900 making our free summer youth pass 1589 01:13:03,834 --> 01:13:05,066 free all year. 1590 01:13:06,567 --> 01:13:09,634 And so the, the details are there. 1591 01:13:10,333 --> 01:13:13,233 Basically this would, right now the, 1592 01:13:13,433 --> 01:13:15,367 the free months are May through August. 1593 01:13:15,433 --> 01:13:16,934 So it's four months out of the year. 1594 01:13:17,133 --> 01:13:18,233 We're ta we're thinking 1595 01:13:18,266 --> 01:13:20,634 that you could als you could really make it for free 1596 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,133 for the entire year and add the other eight months. 1597 01:13:24,533 --> 01:13:29,467 So right now, literally tomorrow, the, today is the last day 1598 01:13:29,467 --> 01:13:31,433 of the four free months of the youth pass. 1599 01:13:31,834 --> 01:13:35,133 So literally tomorrow, if someone wanted to go in to, 1600 01:13:35,066 --> 01:13:37,100 to use their pass, they would have to go 1601 01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:40,767 and buy a monthly pass, which is $29 and 50 cents per month. 1602 01:13:42,166 --> 01:13:46,033 You know, during the first three months, three, three months 1603 01:13:46,066 --> 01:13:47,500 of the summer, which was May 1604 01:13:47,500 --> 01:13:49,133 through July, that doesn't even count. 1605 01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:52,667 August twenty eight hundred and ninety one CATA trips were 1606 01:13:52,667 --> 01:13:53,700 taken with the Youth pass. 1607 01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:56,533 That's an average of 964 per month. 1608 01:13:57,066 --> 01:13:59,300 And then during the proceeding eight month period 1609 01:13:59,433 --> 01:14:03,266 where people would've had to pay for the youth pass a total 1610 01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:06,467 of 1039 trips were taken over eight months. 1611 01:14:06,467 --> 01:14:08,667 And that's an average of 130 per month. 1612 01:14:09,133 --> 01:14:12,567 So, and during that time that that eight months, 1613 01:14:12,700 --> 01:14:16,066 we really only sold equivalent of 15 monthly 1614 01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:18,233 passes over that eight months. 1615 01:14:18,433 --> 01:14:22,767 And so that was a revenue and we generated $442 1616 01:14:22,834 --> 01:14:24,867 and 50 cents of revenue over that eight months. 1617 01:14:26,667 --> 01:14:29,367 You know, because the Youth Pass ridership is 1618 01:14:30,166 --> 01:14:32,367 clearly a lot higher during the free months. 1619 01:14:32,433 --> 01:14:34,333 And that is summer kids are out of school, 1620 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,767 they've got more time to ride the bus. 1621 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,066 But it drops 1622 01:14:38,066 --> 01:14:40,500 so significantly when you go into the paid months. 1623 01:14:41,133 --> 01:14:43,934 We feel like by offering it for free during the year, 1624 01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:46,734 it would be a very minimal revenue loss. 1625 01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:50,533 And we would still, we would probably generate, you know, 1626 01:14:50,834 --> 01:14:52,834 we may not generate summer ridership numbers, 1627 01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,867 but it would probably be much more than 1628 01:14:54,867 --> 01:14:57,100 what it has traditionally been in those eight months. 1629 01:14:57,500 --> 01:15:00,100 So, so this is just something for the board to consider. 1630 01:15:00,533 --> 01:15:04,066 Again, today is the last free day of the, of the 1631 01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:07,266 free summer Youth pass for 2026. 1632 01:15:08,934 --> 01:15:11,100 You know, I bring these to you 1633 01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:14,033 because these are actions that might require, 1634 01:15:14,133 --> 01:15:16,100 that would require board approval if you wanted 1635 01:15:16,100 --> 01:15:17,767 to act on them because they're fair related. 1636 01:15:18,233 --> 01:15:20,934 And so that's just something to consider is making the, 1637 01:15:21,467 --> 01:15:23,133 the youth pass free all year. 1638 01:15:23,634 --> 01:15:26,634 The second one is just more of a, something 1639 01:15:26,634 --> 01:15:29,500 that other transit agencies do, you know, from time 1640 01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:31,567 to time in that sponsor a fair free day. 1641 01:15:33,634 --> 01:15:36,700 It's not something that we have necess, have we, 1642 01:15:37,133 --> 01:15:39,367 I don't think we've done that in the recent past at least. 1643 01:15:40,066 --> 01:15:42,266 And so suicide been here. Yeah. 1644 01:15:42,433 --> 01:15:45,767 And that would, it would be a fair change would require a 1645 01:15:46,834 --> 01:15:48,000 a, a board action. 1646 01:15:48,567 --> 01:15:51,266 A lot of times when other transit agencies do this, 1647 01:15:51,266 --> 01:15:55,533 they do it around some event like World Car Free Day, ap, 1648 01:15:55,834 --> 01:15:58,300 tri Transit Week, there's a World Public Transport 1649 01:15:58,333 --> 01:15:59,333 Day in the spring. 1650 01:16:00,867 --> 01:16:03,567 Some just do it around an event in their community 1651 01:16:03,634 --> 01:16:06,100 or just have some special fair free day that they promote 1652 01:16:07,133 --> 01:16:08,834 the estimated revenue impact 1653 01:16:08,834 --> 01:16:11,634 of one fair free day is not insignificant. 1654 01:16:11,767 --> 01:16:13,700 It's $14,700. 1655 01:16:14,734 --> 01:16:17,100 But, you know, offering a fair free day during the year, 1656 01:16:17,033 --> 01:16:19,266 it may be another way to incentivize ridership. 1657 01:16:19,634 --> 01:16:20,767 So that's just a couple 1658 01:16:20,767 --> 01:16:23,033 of strategies we've batted around internally. 1659 01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:26,734 But both, if we wanted to take any action on either 1660 01:16:26,734 --> 01:16:28,567 of those, it would require board action. 1661 01:16:28,834 --> 01:16:31,266 And so we just wanted to bring those to your attention. 1662 01:16:32,934 --> 01:16:34,467 - Okay. I think let's, 1663 01:16:34,467 --> 01:16:36,934 let's split this into two rounds here. 1664 01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:40,000 So let's talk about the youth pass 1665 01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:42,000 first, if that's okay. 1666 01:16:42,266 --> 01:16:44,467 So go around with Joe. Thoughts on that? 1667 01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:48,433 - I was always, I guess questioning 1668 01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:52,100 why we settle on the 40 inch rule. 1669 01:16:52,567 --> 01:16:53,700 40 inches or less. 1670 01:16:53,867 --> 01:16:56,166 If we're gonna encourage youth to use the bus, 1671 01:16:56,867 --> 01:16:59,433 why don't we say 15 years or younger? 1672 01:17:00,867 --> 01:17:04,266 I mean, where's the 40 inches ever come from? 1673 01:17:04,433 --> 01:17:07,233 I've been around here for a long time and 1674 01:17:07,467 --> 01:17:11,233 - I'm going to look to my historical resources here 1675 01:17:11,233 --> 01:17:14,367 because I don't know, but our current policy is 1676 01:17:14,367 --> 01:17:15,533 40 inches or less. 1677 01:17:15,634 --> 01:17:17,266 So that's what, three and a quarter? 1678 01:17:17,467 --> 01:17:19,333 Three and three feet. Four inches, 1679 01:17:19,533 --> 01:17:20,533 - Right. 1680 01:17:20,533 --> 01:17:23,066 I mean that's like second and third graders in my book. 1681 01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:26,233 I mean, what do other transit systems do in regard to 1682 01:17:27,233 --> 01:17:31,367 encouraging youth and like teens derive, 1683 01:17:31,734 --> 01:17:34,066 - I've, I've, I've normally seen it being some kind 1684 01:17:34,066 --> 01:17:35,767 of age-based, but then the driver has 1685 01:17:35,767 --> 01:17:37,100 to make some kind of judgment call. 1686 01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:40,100 Is this person 12 or 13 or 12 or 11? 1687 01:17:41,667 --> 01:17:44,033 But this is, this is one of the few I've ever, 1688 01:17:45,133 --> 01:17:46,567 - Most transit agencies, 1689 01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:51,100 - It's middle school and up if you're 1690 01:17:51,367 --> 01:17:53,333 or you need to be accompanied by an adult. 1691 01:17:54,166 --> 01:17:57,266 And, and that's because first graders probably 1692 01:17:57,266 --> 01:17:58,500 don't know how to use transit. 1693 01:17:59,266 --> 01:18:03,000 Whereas by the time they get to middle school, they, they, 1694 01:18:03,767 --> 01:18:06,100 they have the capability to learn how transit works. 1695 01:18:07,367 --> 01:18:11,333 Washau County out in Reno provides a 1696 01:18:12,834 --> 01:18:17,500 free bus pass to every student that is 1697 01:18:18,166 --> 01:18:21,533 attends the county school system at no cost. 1698 01:18:23,033 --> 01:18:24,500 They don't limit it to 1699 01:18:26,300 --> 01:18:28,100 it's first grade on up. 1700 01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:32,634 In fact, I was, I was out at APTA Tech a couple of weeks ago 1701 01:18:32,667 --> 01:18:36,000 and they, they did a presentation, theirs was to try 1702 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,133 and help reduce absenteeism. 1703 01:18:39,367 --> 01:18:41,000 'cause the county school system had 1704 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,500 to reduce the number of yellow buses. 1705 01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:44,567 Kids weren't going to school 1706 01:18:44,834 --> 01:18:47,467 'cause they didn't wanna walk as far to get the yellow bus. 1707 01:18:47,867 --> 01:18:49,734 So now they're able 1708 01:18:49,734 --> 01:18:52,500 to take the transit bus to get over to the school. 1709 01:18:53,066 --> 01:18:55,367 And so they've seen a significant reduction in their 1710 01:18:55,567 --> 01:18:58,000 absenteeism, especially at the high school level. 1711 01:18:59,266 --> 01:19:01,000 'cause they ride the bus free. 1712 01:19:01,934 --> 01:19:04,133 - So most, most systems are age based and, 1713 01:19:04,433 --> 01:19:06,533 but that's kind of a different conversation about 1714 01:19:06,533 --> 01:19:08,567 what our overall youth policy would be. 1715 01:19:09,233 --> 01:19:12,500 The idea here was really for the Youth Pass to make it free. 1716 01:19:12,900 --> 01:19:15,033 But we, but we could have a separate conversation about 1717 01:19:15,333 --> 01:19:17,233 changing our, who rides free 1718 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,066 - Was our goal to make more youth transit users. 1719 01:19:23,367 --> 01:19:27,033 - Yes. - Then why is it height based? 1720 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,367 Why not age based? That's, that'd be my comment. 1721 01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:35,367 So, well I, and I'd direct the staff to look into that. 1722 01:19:35,367 --> 01:19:36,367 Right. 1723 01:19:39,433 --> 01:19:43,734 - The - Biggest issue is when you start saying age based is 1724 01:19:43,900 --> 01:19:46,033 how do you, is asking an operator 1725 01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:47,634 to judge how old is this person? 1726 01:19:48,834 --> 01:19:50,700 Whereas height is easy to do. 1727 01:19:50,734 --> 01:19:52,934 We have a, we have it measured in the bus. 1728 01:19:53,567 --> 01:19:54,867 So if you're 40 inches 1729 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,066 or lower, you automatically ride for free. 1730 01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:03,700 You're also generally wi wi wi wi with an adult 1731 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,100 children that small generally aren't riding by themselves. 1732 01:20:08,934 --> 01:20:13,333 - Mar I see. - So I heard all the conversations 1733 01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:17,233 and I have to, I tend to agree with moving to 1734 01:20:17,266 --> 01:20:21,467 or considering moving to an age-based decisioning 1735 01:20:21,767 --> 01:20:24,033 because we are wanting those people to, 1736 01:20:24,634 --> 01:20:27,100 they take their next step into Ride in Transit. 1737 01:20:27,867 --> 01:20:30,133 So we wanna capture, I would think that we'd want to capture 1738 01:20:30,166 --> 01:20:33,100 that group that is gonna become a permanent bus rider. 1739 01:20:33,667 --> 01:20:34,734 If it's a 40 inch 1740 01:20:34,734 --> 01:20:37,100 or low, we've got a lifetime to wait until they're ready 1741 01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:38,266 to ride the bus on their own. 1742 01:20:41,734 --> 01:20:44,700 - What for our summer youth, our free summer Youth pass, 1743 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,233 is it 12 years old? 1744 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,000 12 to 18. 1745 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,767 - If there is, we don't have an age. 1746 01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:54,734 We, we just have them in in, yeah. With our, 1747 01:20:54,734 --> 01:20:56,834 - With our Summer Youth Pass, you have to come in 1748 01:20:56,934 --> 01:20:58,100 and show an identification 1749 01:20:58,100 --> 01:20:59,767 that you're less than 18, I believe. 1750 01:20:59,834 --> 01:21:01,867 Yeah. And that's kind of the criteria 1751 01:21:02,033 --> 01:21:03,367 for a Summer Youth Pass. 1752 01:21:03,934 --> 01:21:08,300 And what this information would be for is to, 1753 01:21:09,233 --> 01:21:10,533 they would still need to come in 1754 01:21:10,533 --> 01:21:11,667 and get a Summer Youth Pass. 1755 01:21:11,734 --> 01:21:16,033 It wouldn't go to a, everybody under 18 would ride free. 1756 01:21:16,033 --> 01:21:18,133 That's what's I've presented here. 1757 01:21:18,333 --> 01:21:21,266 But again, there a separate conversation could be had about 1758 01:21:21,266 --> 01:21:24,900 just changing our fair policy so that, you know, we, 1759 01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:27,934 we have an age-based system for the entire system. 1760 01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:30,900 But what we were just kind of going here was 1761 01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:33,700 because we have this Youth Pass program that's free 1762 01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:35,767 during the summer and we, you know, 1763 01:21:35,767 --> 01:21:37,066 we could just extend the youth pass 1764 01:21:37,133 --> 01:21:38,266 to be free all year round. 1765 01:21:38,433 --> 01:21:40,433 So it's, it's kind of two different conversations, 1766 01:21:40,667 --> 01:21:42,166 but it's all very interrelated. 1767 01:21:42,667 --> 01:21:44,900 - Makes younger, typically traveling 1768 01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:46,634 with their parent who is purchasing 1769 01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:48,300 - A pass. 1770 01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:49,867 So this, I I really see this, this is, 1771 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,133 we think this is a market, the youth market that 1772 01:21:54,066 --> 01:21:58,066 is currently not riding, I mean it's the what, 1773 01:21:58,066 --> 01:22:03,133 $442 worth of passes that if we can get 1774 01:22:03,567 --> 01:22:07,900 more of the 40, like just say we keep everything the same, 1775 01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:09,100 the 40 inch and up, 1776 01:22:10,166 --> 01:22:12,100 which would be middle school, high school. 1777 01:22:12,133 --> 01:22:13,233 If we can get more them riding, 1778 01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:16,100 that increases our ridership. 1779 01:22:16,166 --> 01:22:18,300 We know we don't know the secret formula, 1780 01:22:18,567 --> 01:22:22,133 but that helps our subsidy in some way in some things. 1781 01:22:22,133 --> 01:22:23,634 Am I correct for Yes. 1782 01:22:25,033 --> 01:22:28,166 And then most of those local kids go to Penn State. 1783 01:22:28,166 --> 01:22:29,433 They'll probably be more likely 1784 01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:31,667 to ride Kata if they go there. 1785 01:22:31,667 --> 01:22:33,500 So I think the 40 we can, we can, 1786 01:22:34,066 --> 01:22:35,533 we can look into the 40 inch thing. 1787 01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:38,066 I do remember asking Kimberly that years ago 1788 01:22:38,166 --> 01:22:40,467 and she gave me a reason 1789 01:22:40,533 --> 01:22:43,634 and I obvi, I I, I forget completely what it was. 1790 01:22:44,033 --> 01:22:46,433 So there was some kind of logic. I think it 1791 01:22:46,433 --> 01:22:49,700 - Was the FTA had a federal regulation 1792 01:22:49,700 --> 01:22:53,133 that if they're under 40 inches they can't sit in the 1793 01:22:53,133 --> 01:22:54,033 front seat of a bus. 1794 01:22:54,133 --> 01:22:57,433 So we just kind of went with a 40 inch. Okay. 1795 01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:01,500 - So I would recommend we, the, the the height thing. 1796 01:23:01,567 --> 01:23:03,433 We have a different conversation 1797 01:23:03,700 --> 01:23:07,333 'cause we could still pass this, come back, change that and, 1798 01:23:07,567 --> 01:23:10,000 and it would just open it up to more people. 1799 01:23:10,133 --> 01:23:12,634 But that's a good question. Any other questions Joe? 1800 01:23:14,634 --> 01:23:17,033 No, it's really not calling for any board action here. 1801 01:23:17,033 --> 01:23:20,100 Is it? It Well there's no specific recommended one 1802 01:23:20,266 --> 01:23:22,634 'cause I, I requested this be open for the board, 1803 01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:26,367 but I think they would like a yes 1804 01:23:26,367 --> 01:23:30,133 or no vote on to move forward with this. So Rob, 1805 01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:32,867 - It'll take, it'll take board action in order to do it 1806 01:23:32,867 --> 01:23:34,500 because it's a change in the, in your, 1807 01:23:34,700 --> 01:23:35,934 in our current fair policy 1808 01:23:37,433 --> 01:23:39,900 and any change to the fair policy takes board action. 1809 01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:42,834 - When you say do do it, you're just saying 1810 01:23:43,266 --> 01:23:46,367 - If you were to, if you were to go to a near round fair 1811 01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:48,100 - Yeah. 1812 01:23:48,233 --> 01:23:51,900 - Free Youth Pass. Right now if the current Youth Pass 1813 01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:56,000 program is only for the summer, if you expand it for 1814 01:23:56,934 --> 01:24:00,066 all year annually, then it will require, 1815 01:24:00,533 --> 01:24:01,767 it will require fair. 1816 01:24:01,934 --> 01:24:04,266 It will require board action to do away with our, 1817 01:24:05,367 --> 01:24:08,900 I think it's 12 for eight. Fair policy. 1818 01:24:09,834 --> 01:24:14,000 - Is there any, is there any opportunity to tie this, 1819 01:24:14,367 --> 01:24:16,133 you talked about tying it to the local schools, 1820 01:24:16,133 --> 01:24:17,467 which I think is really important 1821 01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:19,300 'cause it does give you an opportunity to tie back 1822 01:24:19,467 --> 01:24:21,266 to something and maybe provide some education 1823 01:24:21,333 --> 01:24:22,934 as well on riding transit. 1824 01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,867 But is there a way to remove the barrier of somebody having 1825 01:24:25,867 --> 01:24:27,300 to come in and get a physical card 1826 01:24:27,834 --> 01:24:31,500 and doing something on Token Transit that could tie back to 1827 01:24:32,233 --> 01:24:34,834 - The, the only we we looked at that we, 1828 01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:38,333 and the only way to verify that they are in fact a, 1829 01:24:38,767 --> 01:24:41,100 a center, a Centre Region resident 1830 01:24:41,834 --> 01:24:45,934 and that they are attending a school in the Centre Region, 1831 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,567 which most of the schools fall under State, 1832 01:24:48,900 --> 01:24:50,533 state College area School District. 1833 01:24:50,533 --> 01:24:52,133 And then you have private and charter schools. 1834 01:24:53,166 --> 01:24:57,066 The only way to verify that they are in fact the student is 1835 01:24:57,133 --> 01:25:00,066 for them to come in because we don't have a secure portal. 1836 01:25:00,367 --> 01:25:03,066 Yeah. Where they could submit the paperwork via 1837 01:25:03,634 --> 01:25:04,634 our, our website. 1838 01:25:06,133 --> 01:25:09,634 If we had a secure portal to do that on, then, 1839 01:25:09,634 --> 01:25:11,033 then we could actually, they could 1840 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,233 email the documentation in 1841 01:25:16,233 --> 01:25:19,734 and then they could get an email back that would tell 'em 1842 01:25:19,734 --> 01:25:20,734 how to download the pass. 1843 01:25:22,700 --> 01:25:27,300 Otherwise, because the program is not 1844 01:25:27,567 --> 01:25:30,033 intended for a 16-year-old who dropped outta school 1845 01:25:30,066 --> 01:25:34,100 and is working at Redline Car Wash it, it's designed 1846 01:25:34,133 --> 01:25:38,533 for the 16-year-old who's in school and needs transportation 1847 01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:42,834 and wants transit to go to school or go to sporting events 1848 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,900 or go to after school events that they go to. 1849 01:25:47,066 --> 01:25:52,033 It's to build that, to build that confidence in our students 1850 01:25:52,033 --> 01:25:55,100 to use transit that transit can, and 1851 01:25:55,166 --> 01:25:57,367 and Lori's got stories from this summer 1852 01:25:57,533 --> 01:26:00,500 where parents actually said, you know what, if it wasn't 1853 01:26:00,500 --> 01:26:04,867 for this program, my child would not have been able to go 1854 01:26:04,867 --> 01:26:07,100 to their summer program because we don't have two cars. 1855 01:26:07,767 --> 01:26:09,333 - Yeah. And it - Something, 1856 01:26:09,333 --> 01:26:11,033 we'll certainly we can take a look at it. 1857 01:26:11,033 --> 01:26:13,066 Yeah. Ways to do this in the future can look at the table. 1858 01:26:13,033 --> 01:26:14,266 But right now we just don't have that 1859 01:26:14,266 --> 01:26:15,266 - One. 1860 01:26:15,266 --> 01:26:16,500 Yeah. And I, I wouldn't, I'm not making that comment 1861 01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:19,567 to put a barrier and I com I if we can vote yesterday, 1862 01:26:19,734 --> 01:26:22,266 I'm gonna tell you right now, it's gonna be a yes for me. 1863 01:26:22,367 --> 01:26:24,834 But I think we should find ways to remove the barriers. 1864 01:26:25,100 --> 01:26:28,266 That's a great, I mean if we can work with the QR code, 1865 01:26:29,066 --> 01:26:31,500 like big picture, why couldn't there Scsd? 1866 01:26:31,567 --> 01:26:34,033 Id have a QR code that doubles as CPAs. 1867 01:26:34,033 --> 01:26:36,367 I mean long term could we work backwards from that? 1868 01:26:36,500 --> 01:26:38,133 - Yeah. Because we have to have the secure portal. 1869 01:26:38,333 --> 01:26:40,033 - We need some technology - That, 1870 01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:41,333 that information is written 1871 01:26:41,333 --> 01:26:44,567 because we're taking things like date of birth and address. 1872 01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:46,100 - No, I understand. We can, 1873 01:26:46,133 --> 01:26:47,133 - It's a great but can work with Donnie. 1874 01:26:47,500 --> 01:26:50,033 We can work with it to see what it would take to come up 1875 01:26:50,033 --> 01:26:53,100 with a secure portal for our website to do that. 1876 01:26:54,567 --> 01:26:55,567 No more technology. 1877 01:27:00,634 --> 01:27:02,133 - I can just see a avail door shut. Anything else? 1878 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:08,033 No is, I mean is it as easy as US voting, yes we want 1879 01:27:08,033 --> 01:27:11,000 to do this and then within the next few weeks there's 1880 01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,066 an announcement and it happens? 1881 01:27:12,100 --> 01:27:13,567 Is that what we're looking? I think 1882 01:27:13,567 --> 01:27:17,934 because the free passes end today, today, they'd like to go, 1883 01:27:18,033 --> 01:27:19,367 - There would be an announcement tomorrow. 1884 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,000 - Oh that's, that's excellent. And just let 1885 01:27:22,066 --> 01:27:24,734 - Customer service know if anyone comes in to get a 1886 01:27:25,166 --> 01:27:27,266 youth pass to let 'em know. 1887 01:27:27,266 --> 01:27:29,033 Okay, now they're, they're free. 1888 01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:32,233 The only thing I've got to do is get the token transit 1889 01:27:32,333 --> 01:27:36,533 and have them expand the summer youth pass 1890 01:27:36,667 --> 01:27:39,066 to an annual free youth pass. And 1891 01:27:39,066 --> 01:27:41,000 - If anyone's already involved one for September 1892 01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:43,500 and kind of got ahead of the game, we'll refund them. How 1893 01:27:43,500 --> 01:27:46,533 - Do we, how do we handle like homeschool private school? 1894 01:27:47,033 --> 01:27:49,467 - Same thing. They, they, they just have to verify that, 1895 01:27:50,066 --> 01:27:53,233 that they are a resident of the Centre Region. 1896 01:27:53,567 --> 01:27:56,767 Okay. They're not gonna have a student id. 1897 01:27:56,867 --> 01:28:00,066 Obviously a lot of charter schools don't use student IDs. 1898 01:28:00,066 --> 01:28:04,033 Yeah. Okay. I know State college area school district 1899 01:28:04,900 --> 01:28:06,066 issues, student IDs. 1900 01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:10,500 - Yes. - But no, we, we've already talked about that. 1901 01:28:10,634 --> 01:28:14,300 Homeschooling charter schools tools, mom 1902 01:28:14,300 --> 01:28:16,734 and dad, mom and dad come in with you 1903 01:28:16,734 --> 01:28:18,700 and they show their driver's license that shows 1904 01:28:18,700 --> 01:28:20,367 that they are within one 1905 01:28:20,367 --> 01:28:22,433 of the five municipalities of the Centre Region. 1906 01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:28,500 - So I am, I'm not hearing like any major. 1907 01:28:29,066 --> 01:28:30,367 Do you have more questions? Another question? 1908 01:28:30,834 --> 01:28:32,533 No, I'm not hearing any objections. 1909 01:28:33,233 --> 01:28:37,667 Does anybody want to make a proposal for the 1910 01:28:38,867 --> 01:28:40,500 how, what would you like it to say Todd? 1911 01:28:41,667 --> 01:28:45,033 - It is literally just extending the, 1912 01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:47,433 some free summer youth pass year, year round. 1913 01:28:47,934 --> 01:28:50,634 - Extending the free summer youth pass 1914 01:28:50,667 --> 01:28:53,100 to a year round free youth pass. 1915 01:28:54,133 --> 01:28:56,667 I'll make a motion to extend the free summer 1916 01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,100 pass to year round. 1917 01:28:58,100 --> 01:29:01,033 Thank you Rob. I'll second that, but I got some discussion. 1918 01:29:01,066 --> 01:29:04,100 - Okay. The question for Bruce is now, since we're changing 1919 01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:06,500 that fair, does that take board action? 1920 01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:07,867 Additional board action? 1921 01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,000 - That's what you're doing now. That's what this is. Okay. 1922 01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,133 Alright. That's what you're doing now. 1923 01:29:12,300 --> 01:29:14,467 That hearing and all that? Yeah. Not 1924 01:29:14,467 --> 01:29:15,467 - For a fair reduction. 1925 01:29:15,467 --> 01:29:17,367 If it were a fair increase, we would. Okay. 1926 01:29:17,533 --> 01:29:19,233 - Okay. - Good to know. 1927 01:29:20,367 --> 01:29:24,100 We have a, we have a motion a second. Any other discussion? 1928 01:29:26,066 --> 01:29:28,934 All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. 1929 01:29:29,066 --> 01:29:31,300 Opposed Passes. 1930 01:29:32,567 --> 01:29:34,100 Christie, can you make sure Juan wasn't here? 1931 01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:36,734 So that was a four. Yes. Four zero. 1932 01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:42,100 The the second one is the conversation about a 1933 01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:43,266 free fair day. 1934 01:29:43,433 --> 01:29:46,066 Are you proposing something specific or is this 1935 01:29:47,333 --> 01:29:48,900 - It was just more for information. 1936 01:29:49,333 --> 01:29:52,333 If you wanted to authorize one in this budget year, 1937 01:29:52,333 --> 01:29:55,700 we you could do that or we can bring you back a proposal 1938 01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,033 for a fair free day in the next budget cycle 1939 01:29:59,333 --> 01:30:01,100 and then there would just be one built in 1940 01:30:01,100 --> 01:30:03,166 and we wouldn't have the revenue budgeted. So, okay. 1941 01:30:03,634 --> 01:30:07,100 - Either, either way. I personally am not opposed to it, 1942 01:30:07,233 --> 01:30:10,033 but that is a, that is a larger sum. 1943 01:30:12,734 --> 01:30:14,934 - If there's a great opportunity for us to do one, 1944 01:30:15,033 --> 01:30:16,834 we can bring you a specific 1945 01:30:17,033 --> 01:30:18,033 - Proposal. 1946 01:30:18,033 --> 01:30:20,133 - It's $14,000. Okay. 1947 01:30:20,233 --> 01:30:23,867 On a $7.2 million revenue. 1948 01:30:25,033 --> 01:30:29,100 So percentage wise as my auditors tell me. Okay. 1949 01:30:29,166 --> 01:30:31,133 It's not really material. Okay. 1950 01:30:31,734 --> 01:30:33,100 - Okay. I, I, well said. 1951 01:30:33,266 --> 01:30:36,133 I know I, I'd like to see like a specific, 1952 01:30:36,033 --> 01:30:40,166 when we do it like a regional cab day, I don't know, like 1953 01:30:41,467 --> 01:30:42,467 - I brought the same thing up. 1954 01:30:42,533 --> 01:30:45,166 Okay. There is a well on 7.2 million, 1955 01:30:45,233 --> 01:30:47,133 you're really not going to notice it. 1956 01:30:47,266 --> 01:30:49,100 - There is a world Car free car, 1957 01:30:49,033 --> 01:30:51,700 world car free day coming up in a few weeks, 1958 01:30:51,834 --> 01:30:53,500 but I don't feel like we've really got enough time 1959 01:30:53,500 --> 01:30:56,233 to promote and so I'd rather do it at a, 1960 01:30:56,467 --> 01:30:58,066 on another specific day. 1961 01:30:58,233 --> 01:31:01,667 - Is there any data that these days lead to 1962 01:31:02,266 --> 01:31:03,900 more long term ridership? 1963 01:31:04,934 --> 01:31:07,166 - Probably not, but we can investigate. So, 1964 01:31:08,133 --> 01:31:09,934 - Joe, questions? 1965 01:31:11,533 --> 01:31:13,333 - No, I'm good with this. Okay. 1966 01:31:14,133 --> 01:31:17,133 - Rob? I'm good. Okay. Why? Yep. 1967 01:31:18,066 --> 01:31:20,000 Margy, what's the question? 1968 01:31:20,133 --> 01:31:22,333 The, we're talking about like a free fair day, 1969 01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,700 - So I kind of like the idea, 1970 01:31:25,700 --> 01:31:28,667 but I'd like to see it around something really 1971 01:31:29,033 --> 01:31:30,467 substantial for the community. 1972 01:31:31,367 --> 01:31:34,367 Yeah. Not like the World Card Day or something like that, 1973 01:31:34,500 --> 01:31:37,333 but like something that will really get everybody involved 1974 01:31:37,467 --> 01:31:39,433 so that we're still those buses. Yeah. My 1975 01:31:39,433 --> 01:31:41,634 - Thought was we, we, we identify a day 1976 01:31:41,634 --> 01:31:45,033 that would be more state college or university centric 1977 01:31:45,266 --> 01:31:48,100 and we really, and we really, and we really promote it. 1978 01:31:49,233 --> 01:31:51,467 And that 14,700 is a, 1979 01:31:52,066 --> 01:31:54,266 is a revenue day during full service. 1980 01:31:54,567 --> 01:31:56,333 It would not be reviewing reduced service. 1981 01:31:56,567 --> 01:31:58,266 So you could do something around Arts Fest, 1982 01:31:58,567 --> 01:32:00,300 but you're in reduced service at that point. 1983 01:32:00,734 --> 01:32:03,333 But you could also do something around the Thaw weekend 1984 01:32:03,467 --> 01:32:05,100 or some, you know, local event. 1985 01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:07,333 That might be a better way to do it. 1986 01:32:07,467 --> 01:32:10,100 So we'll bring you a specific proposal if 1987 01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:11,133 that's what you want. 1988 01:32:11,333 --> 01:32:13,033 - The rider's 40 inches and taller. 1989 01:32:15,433 --> 01:32:16,467 - Alright. Alright. 1990 01:32:16,500 --> 01:32:19,066 So is everybody comfortable bringing this back 1991 01:32:19,367 --> 01:32:21,133 with a, a more detailed plan? 1992 01:32:21,500 --> 01:32:24,934 We'll take a look at it. So we, okay. 1993 01:32:24,934 --> 01:32:27,000 So we, we don't have to vote yes 1994 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,133 or no, there's just no, no action on that. 1995 01:32:30,033 --> 01:32:35,066 Okay. The next step is 1996 01:32:35,133 --> 01:32:38,066 contract approval for power supply through costars. 1997 01:32:38,734 --> 01:32:40,000 Zach, you doing that? Yes. 1998 01:32:40,734 --> 01:32:45,066 - Yes ma'am. - Good afternoon. 1999 01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,066 Cada has a current power supply for the, 2000 01:32:50,133 --> 01:32:52,734 or current contract for the power supply 2001 01:32:52,734 --> 01:32:55,033 for the buildings located here at 2081 West 2002 01:32:55,033 --> 01:32:56,133 White Whitehall Road. 2003 01:32:57,133 --> 01:33:00,533 Our current supplier is WGL, which is done 2004 01:33:00,533 --> 01:33:03,100 through a state contract known as costars. 2005 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,767 The current contract expires in December of 2026. 2006 01:33:08,667 --> 01:33:12,533 Penn State is actually the leading entity that, 2007 01:33:12,533 --> 01:33:14,867 or that leads the, this procurement 2008 01:33:15,133 --> 01:33:19,266 and they procured an upcoming 36 month contract 2009 01:33:19,367 --> 01:33:21,367 with a new supplier. 2010 01:33:21,834 --> 01:33:26,634 NRG Energy, I, I don't think that's right for a, 2011 01:33:28,100 --> 01:33:32,100 for 9.29 cents per kilowatt hour, 2012 01:33:32,266 --> 01:33:36,900 which is rep represents about a 19.8% cost increase 2013 01:33:37,266 --> 01:33:38,867 versus where it's at now. 2014 01:33:40,266 --> 01:33:44,667 - So Zach, start Margy, any questions about the power? 2015 01:33:49,934 --> 01:33:50,000 - No. 2016 01:33:54,233 --> 01:33:55,266 No, I don't think so. 2017 01:33:55,333 --> 01:33:57,634 I, it it's gonna be an increase no matter who we go with, 2018 01:33:57,734 --> 01:33:59,333 so Yeah. 2019 01:33:59,467 --> 01:34:01,533 And this is a state, I mean this is the state, 2020 01:34:01,533 --> 01:34:03,066 this is the last painful route. 2021 01:34:03,500 --> 01:34:05,066 - Yeah. And this is the CoStar, 2022 01:34:05,133 --> 01:34:07,333 so there's probably not gonna be a cheaper there we're 2023 01:34:07,333 --> 01:34:09,100 - One, I forget how many are on there, 2024 01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:11,734 but we're one of like 60 to a hundred entities 2025 01:34:11,734 --> 01:34:14,033 that are a part of this. This group. 2026 01:34:15,133 --> 01:34:19,900 - Juan Rob? No thank Joe Bruce, 2027 01:34:20,033 --> 01:34:22,000 - Do we have that number built into the budget? 2028 01:34:22,033 --> 01:34:24,033 Yes, sir. Okay. That's 2029 01:34:24,033 --> 01:34:25,033 - All I want. 2030 01:34:25,033 --> 01:34:29,166 Okay. Do we have a motion to approve the execution 2031 01:34:29,166 --> 01:34:31,266 of a three year contract with n Energy Energy? 2032 01:34:31,533 --> 01:34:33,333 So moved. Thank you Vaughn. Is there a second? 2033 01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:37,300 Second, Joe, thank you. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 2034 01:34:37,367 --> 01:34:42,166 Aye. Opposed? We are good. Do you take this next one, Zach? 2035 01:34:42,266 --> 01:34:43,266 Yep. 2036 01:34:43,533 --> 01:34:47,066 - Yep. As a part of maintaining CA's facilities 2037 01:34:47,367 --> 01:34:49,734 and assets in a state of good repair, 2038 01:34:50,767 --> 01:34:52,533 we must perform routine maintenance 2039 01:34:52,533 --> 01:34:54,000 and repairs to the facilities. 2040 01:34:54,533 --> 01:34:59,300 As such, we decided to conduct an i an invitation for bids 2041 01:34:59,734 --> 01:35:03,867 to repaint the faded parts of the exterior of the building, 2042 01:35:04,066 --> 01:35:08,367 the non-metal portions, which we call efis 2043 01:35:08,367 --> 01:35:11,000 or the exterior Insulation and Finish system. 2044 01:35:11,834 --> 01:35:14,133 This, they haven't been touched since the facilities opening 2045 01:35:14,166 --> 01:35:18,500 approximately 10 years ago, we issued an invitation 2046 01:35:18,700 --> 01:35:21,100 for BID on June 30th, 2026 2047 01:35:21,166 --> 01:35:23,700 and we received six bids 2048 01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:27,734 with Paint Ninjas being the lowest responsive 2049 01:35:27,734 --> 01:35:31,033 and responsible bidder at $177,000. 2050 01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:34,000 609 $79. 2051 01:35:37,734 --> 01:35:41,033 Pendot is fund, this is primarily being funded by Pendot 2052 01:35:41,033 --> 01:35:44,533 with remaining funds from some of the other projects 2053 01:35:44,533 --> 01:35:45,834 that we've recently done. 2054 01:35:47,467 --> 01:35:51,500 So recommending to the board that we execute a contract 2055 01:35:51,634 --> 01:35:54,467 with paint ninjas at a not to exceed of 200 2056 01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:56,533 and thousand, $200,000. 2057 01:35:57,266 --> 01:35:58,467 Thanks Zach. I 2058 01:35:58,467 --> 01:35:59,634 - Know, Joe, you have questions? 2059 01:36:00,767 --> 01:36:02,834 - Well, I read this the other night 2060 01:36:02,834 --> 01:36:04,300 and I walked around the building a little bit 2061 01:36:04,333 --> 01:36:06,533 before the meeting started today. 2062 01:36:07,100 --> 01:36:11,000 And what non metal surfaces are gonna need painted? 2063 01:36:11,500 --> 01:36:13,300 - It's, - I couldn't find them. 2064 01:36:14,033 --> 01:36:16,567 - It's all the, it's like, it looks like stucco, 2065 01:36:16,867 --> 01:36:18,467 so like a lot of the metal is along the 2066 01:36:18,533 --> 01:36:20,367 edges. Did I print out the 2067 01:36:20,367 --> 01:36:21,367 - Pictures? 2068 01:36:21,367 --> 01:36:22,533 Yeah, but that's not getting painted right. 2069 01:36:22,634 --> 01:36:24,066 - But the metal's not being painted, 2070 01:36:24,333 --> 01:36:26,700 but everything else that's like the stucco type material. 2071 01:36:26,700 --> 01:36:29,033 It's like a, I don't know how you describe it. 2072 01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:31,634 It's a poor textured material 2073 01:36:31,734 --> 01:36:33,834 and it's, that's what's all along the edges. 2074 01:36:33,834 --> 01:36:35,100 It almost feel like if you knock on it, 2075 01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:36,066 it almost feels like a plastic 2076 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,333 and it's, that's everything 2077 01:36:40,333 --> 01:36:43,233 - That's being seen Was that, was that intended to be 2078 01:36:44,033 --> 01:36:45,333 refinished after a certain amount? 2079 01:36:46,033 --> 01:36:47,100 I thought, you know, 2080 01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:49,567 when we built a place we had specifications 2081 01:36:49,667 --> 01:36:51,634 for the load maintenance. 2082 01:36:52,367 --> 01:36:54,000 - I can't speak to the original. 2083 01:36:55,166 --> 01:36:57,567 - It is a weird setup because we have some metal 2084 01:36:58,166 --> 01:37:00,100 and what you think would be metal 2085 01:37:00,166 --> 01:37:02,033 that would continue is not metal. 2086 01:37:02,033 --> 01:37:03,100 Right? Right. Like 2087 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:04,000 - Bus storage. 2088 01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,834 One side on the top is metal, the other side is off. 2089 01:37:07,133 --> 01:37:09,300 And if you look at the, the metal, it'll be a, 2090 01:37:09,367 --> 01:37:10,533 a deeper darker blue. 2091 01:37:10,934 --> 01:37:13,934 And if you look at the, the blue, it's fading. 2092 01:37:14,634 --> 01:37:16,300 That's one way you can tell the difference. 2093 01:37:16,367 --> 01:37:20,000 But why they ever did that, nobody understood why they, 2094 01:37:20,333 --> 01:37:23,367 they built it like that in certain places. 2095 01:37:23,367 --> 01:37:26,000 They used did use metal in other places they didn't. 2096 01:37:26,834 --> 01:37:29,033 - Well, as a part of stated good repair 2097 01:37:30,467 --> 01:37:33,867 for PennDOT 10 years is considered the useful life 2098 01:37:33,900 --> 01:37:36,100 of the out exterior paint. 2099 01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,300 That's why they're willing to fund the repainting 2100 01:37:39,300 --> 01:37:41,033 of the exterior portion of the building 2101 01:37:42,333 --> 01:37:45,066 because it is time to, I mean it's 10 years old, 2102 01:37:46,133 --> 01:37:49,467 the sunlight, weather, all of that will fade it no matter 2103 01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:51,066 what, what the material is. 2104 01:37:51,266 --> 01:37:54,000 If it's co if it's got a collar to it, it will fade. 2105 01:37:55,634 --> 01:37:56,700 This refreshes it. 2106 01:37:57,266 --> 01:37:58,567 - Is there a specification? 2107 01:37:59,266 --> 01:38:04,066 Did someone come up with some criteria that they have 2108 01:38:04,066 --> 01:38:05,934 to meet to, to do this refinishing? 2109 01:38:06,033 --> 01:38:07,367 - Yeah, so we work - Materials and 2110 01:38:07,734 --> 01:38:09,100 - We worked with facilities, so, 2111 01:38:09,567 --> 01:38:13,033 and we kind of, we let the painters recommend kind 2112 01:38:13,133 --> 01:38:15,367 of their best approach. 2113 01:38:15,367 --> 01:38:18,000 Then we will be doing a, a coat of primer 2114 01:38:18,166 --> 01:38:20,934 with the actual then paint on top of that. 2115 01:38:21,233 --> 01:38:22,634 And they've said that that's what there, 2116 01:38:22,634 --> 01:38:24,133 there's examples in town. 2117 01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:25,634 I forget which ones they've said, 2118 01:38:25,634 --> 01:38:28,700 but there are other facilities in town that that's exactly 2119 01:38:28,700 --> 01:38:30,867 what they've done for a similar type material 2120 01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:32,834 with good results. Be 2121 01:38:32,834 --> 01:38:34,834 - Consistent throughout all six of the bidders. 2122 01:38:35,133 --> 01:38:36,033 That process or 2123 01:38:36,867 --> 01:38:37,867 - Pretty close to it. 2124 01:38:37,867 --> 01:38:41,333 - We're not getting the, the bottom of the barrel. Yeah, we 2125 01:38:41,333 --> 01:38:42,634 - Shipped here pretty close to it. 2126 01:38:42,734 --> 01:38:45,266 Except, except when you're looking at bids, 2127 01:38:45,266 --> 01:38:47,934 you basically start with the low bid and build your way up. 2128 01:38:47,934 --> 01:38:49,634 So I, I don't remember off the top of my head 2129 01:38:49,634 --> 01:38:53,300 what the higher bidders specifically put in there. 2130 01:38:53,900 --> 01:38:57,934 We, but we reviewed the specs inside internally to make sure 2131 01:38:57,934 --> 01:38:59,233 that they met our requirements 2132 01:38:59,233 --> 01:39:03,367 and it was not just, you know, a 2133 01:39:03,500 --> 01:39:06,533 or not a shoddy or low quality. Well 2134 01:39:06,867 --> 01:39:09,133 - It just seems like an awful lot of money to me, but I mean 2135 01:39:09,834 --> 01:39:10,834 - Yeah, but 2136 01:39:12,900 --> 01:39:14,867 - There's a lot of exterior square 2137 01:39:14,867 --> 01:39:16,133 footage that's gotta be painted. 2138 01:39:17,500 --> 01:39:20,066 And that also includes their mobilization costs 2139 01:39:20,066 --> 01:39:22,333 because they are gonna have to bring in scissors lifts 2140 01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:23,567 and it's also gonna 2141 01:39:23,567 --> 01:39:25,100 - Be power washing - And power 2142 01:39:25,100 --> 01:39:26,500 washing areas of the building. 2143 01:39:26,900 --> 01:39:30,133 So it's the paint 2144 01:39:30,634 --> 01:39:34,000 and the primer alone are gonna be your biggest cost 2145 01:39:35,634 --> 01:39:38,734 - If we don't do this now, if we wait five years to do it, 2146 01:39:38,734 --> 01:39:39,734 what's the consequence? 2147 01:39:40,934 --> 01:39:45,033 - You don't have the funding? I have the funding now. Okay. 2148 01:39:45,133 --> 01:39:48,033 I, I would have to go back in and request the funding again. 2149 01:39:48,734 --> 01:39:51,367 - And Bruce correct me if I'm wrong, this was 2150 01:39:51,433 --> 01:39:53,033 because we came in lower 2151 01:39:53,634 --> 01:39:55,233 projected costs than another project 2152 01:39:55,433 --> 01:39:58,500 and Bruce was able to move this money over rather than have 2153 01:39:58,500 --> 01:39:59,767 to request additional funds. 2154 01:40:00,367 --> 01:40:02,133 So this is money that we already had funded 2155 01:40:02,734 --> 01:40:04,066 and we came in low and we, 2156 01:40:05,133 --> 01:40:06,767 - We either use it on this Joe, or, 2157 01:40:06,900 --> 01:40:09,367 or we give the, we give the funding back to PennDOT 2158 01:40:09,367 --> 01:40:11,266 and I don't like giving PennDOT money back 2159 01:40:12,533 --> 01:40:15,433 and if we give, when I've got another project we can do in 2160 01:40:15,433 --> 01:40:17,266 - A few years and ask for it back. Yeah. Again, so 2161 01:40:17,266 --> 01:40:18,667 - Under a different project. So, 2162 01:40:19,033 --> 01:40:20,033 - Okay. 2163 01:40:21,667 --> 01:40:25,266 - Rob, any questions I have question? No, Margy? 2164 01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:29,734 - No. - Okay. Is there a motion to 2165 01:40:30,567 --> 01:40:32,467 approve the contract with paint ninjas? 2166 01:40:33,734 --> 01:40:37,033 - I'll make that motion. - I love it Judge. 2167 01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:42,500 I'll second it. Second. Thank you Lon. All in favor? Aye. 2168 01:40:42,567 --> 01:40:46,300 Aye. Opposed? Aye. Alright, passes. Thank you Zach. 2169 01:40:46,667 --> 01:40:50,066 - Thank you. - Okay, item D is the one that Todd mentioned. 2170 01:40:50,133 --> 01:40:52,767 We are gonna drop until we get more information. 2171 01:40:55,133 --> 01:41:00,066 We have E, E and F. Megan. Is Megan present? Yes. 2172 01:41:00,066 --> 01:41:02,467 Megan, are you okay if you bundle these together, talk both 2173 01:41:02,467 --> 01:41:04,300 of 'em and we do a, a vote for both? 2174 01:41:05,166 --> 01:41:06,767 - Yep, that works for me. Okay, 2175 01:41:06,767 --> 01:41:08,467 - Thank you. You're 2176 01:41:08,467 --> 01:41:09,467 - Up. 2177 01:41:09,467 --> 01:41:11,300 Certainly. So what you have in front 2178 01:41:11,500 --> 01:41:14,934 of you are modifications to the safety sensitive drug 2179 01:41:14,934 --> 01:41:17,634 and alcohol policy as well as the non-safety sensitive drug 2180 01:41:17,634 --> 01:41:21,100 and alcohol policy and the changes being presented are 2181 01:41:21,233 --> 01:41:23,000 actually identical for each policy. 2182 01:41:24,133 --> 01:41:27,000 Through review of these policies, we recognized 2183 01:41:27,066 --> 01:41:30,834 that we had a gap that essentially 2184 01:41:31,266 --> 01:41:33,266 limited reasonable suspicion testing 2185 01:41:33,467 --> 01:41:35,467 to only behavioral observations. 2186 01:41:36,233 --> 01:41:39,000 So things like smelling alcohol on someone's breath 2187 01:41:39,233 --> 01:41:41,934 or glossy eyes 2188 01:41:42,166 --> 01:41:45,100 or other types of behaviors that may indicate 2189 01:41:46,033 --> 01:41:48,100 that there are under the influence of something. 2190 01:41:48,266 --> 01:41:50,834 And so what we wanted to do was address that gap 2191 01:41:51,066 --> 01:41:52,066 by expanding this. 2192 01:41:53,133 --> 01:41:55,500 And so as you see in front of you and the policies 2193 01:41:56,333 --> 01:41:59,266 provided, we're looking to just be allowed, be allowed 2194 01:41:59,266 --> 01:42:02,634 to make a reasonable suspicion referral when a supervisor 2195 01:42:02,734 --> 01:42:04,066 and manager, both 2196 01:42:04,066 --> 01:42:06,734 of which will be trained on reasonable suspicion, 2197 01:42:07,333 --> 01:42:10,066 have rational basis from direct observation 2198 01:42:10,100 --> 01:42:11,300 or credible information 2199 01:42:11,300 --> 01:42:13,033 or circumstances to believe 2200 01:42:13,033 --> 01:42:15,100 that the employee has violated that policy. 2201 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:19,567 And then by doing this, it would ensure that all 2202 01:42:19,567 --> 01:42:22,500 of our employees on the property as well as the public, 2203 01:42:23,367 --> 01:42:25,567 you know, out on the street can remain safe. 2204 01:42:27,934 --> 01:42:28,934 Thanks Megan. 2205 01:42:30,100 --> 01:42:32,233 - Any questions from Megan on these two 2206 01:42:32,700 --> 01:42:34,767 policies? Margo, I'll start with you. 2207 01:42:35,533 --> 01:42:36,934 - I just have a question. Megan, 2208 01:42:37,133 --> 01:42:39,700 how do we define credible in this context? 2209 01:42:41,133 --> 01:42:44,567 So credible, it's really going to be situationally based, 2210 01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,000 but, but one of the biggest things here 2211 01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,867 with credible is we don't do one party 2212 01:42:49,867 --> 01:42:51,233 reasonable suspicion testing. 2213 01:42:51,634 --> 01:42:55,266 So let's say for instance, a supervisor receives information 2214 01:42:56,133 --> 01:42:58,700 or becomes aware of that information, they need to talk 2215 01:42:58,700 --> 01:43:00,133 with another certified individual, 2216 01:43:00,133 --> 01:43:01,634 whether it be their manager 2217 01:43:01,734 --> 01:43:05,567 or a member of human resources to really vet 2218 01:43:05,567 --> 01:43:08,333 that information to determine that it isn't based on, 2219 01:43:08,467 --> 01:43:10,100 you know, kind of just a gut instinct, 2220 01:43:10,266 --> 01:43:13,333 but is instead factual in nature 2221 01:43:13,433 --> 01:43:14,934 or belief, factual in nature. 2222 01:43:15,634 --> 01:43:19,333 Okay. Thank you Juan. Any questions? 2223 01:43:20,367 --> 01:43:22,033 - Rob? Joe, 2224 01:43:22,767 --> 01:43:26,066 - Is this language in some other FTA document 2225 01:43:26,066 --> 01:43:27,100 that's already been approved? 2226 01:43:27,934 --> 01:43:32,834 I'm, I was along the lines of mar there as a rational basis. 2227 01:43:33,166 --> 01:43:36,166 I mean, define that for me what a rational basis is. 2228 01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,867 - Yeah, so the first piece to answer about FTA, 2229 01:43:43,467 --> 01:43:46,300 it is not in an FTA document currently. 2230 01:43:46,834 --> 01:43:49,867 I actually had some conversation with individuals at FTA 2231 01:43:50,467 --> 01:43:52,033 to just see how they handled this 2232 01:43:52,033 --> 01:43:54,100 and it's really kind of one of those unaddressed areas 2233 01:43:54,300 --> 01:43:57,934 that they unaddressed in their documents. 2234 01:43:58,333 --> 01:44:01,367 However, what they said is they see employers just 2235 01:44:01,367 --> 01:44:04,333 individually make changes to their policies, like 2236 01:44:04,333 --> 01:44:06,066 what we're presenting to the board today. 2237 01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,500 And we also worked with John Baker on this language. 2238 01:44:09,867 --> 01:44:12,467 So I don't know if John, even if you want to speak up and, 2239 01:44:12,500 --> 01:44:15,300 and explain rational, you may be able 2240 01:44:15,333 --> 01:44:17,033 to verbalize it better than me. 2241 01:44:18,367 --> 01:44:22,567 - Okay. John's okay with it here, so I, I'll go with it. 2242 01:44:22,834 --> 01:44:23,834 Okay. 2243 01:44:26,634 --> 01:44:29,700 - Okay. - Any other questions? 2244 01:44:31,634 --> 01:44:33,767 Is her motion to improve items? E and 2245 01:44:33,834 --> 01:44:38,834 - FIII 2246 01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:41,066 - Motion for to approve ENF. 2247 01:44:42,667 --> 01:44:46,934 - I'll second. Thanks - Joe. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. 2248 01:44:47,533 --> 01:44:51,333 Opposed? Passes. Thank you. Thank you Megan. Thank you John. 2249 01:44:51,467 --> 01:44:54,867 Thank you. You're welcome. We have some informational 2250 01:44:54,867 --> 01:44:56,100 items that you can look at. 2251 01:44:57,066 --> 01:44:58,500 Up next is the Consent Agenda. 2252 01:44:58,667 --> 01:45:00,467 I'll just make a note that the one item is 2253 01:45:00,467 --> 01:45:01,767 to move our October meeting. 2254 01:45:01,934 --> 01:45:04,467 I heard from three of five board members that was okay. 2255 01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:05,767 So I put that in there. 2256 01:45:06,700 --> 01:45:09,533 Are there any agenda items, Consent Agenda items 2257 01:45:10,266 --> 01:45:12,100 any board member would like to pull out to discuss? 2258 01:45:15,734 --> 01:45:18,634 Hearing none, we'll consider the Consent Agenda passed. 2259 01:45:19,033 --> 01:45:21,734 We do have a, a need for an executive session 2260 01:45:22,066 --> 01:45:23,634 to discuss contractual items. 2261 01:45:23,767 --> 01:45:25,767 We'll take a brief five minute break 2262 01:45:25,867 --> 01:45:27,000 and get in and get that going. 2263 01:45:27,467 --> 01:45:31,000 Is there a motion to Adjourn? So moved. Thank you Joe. 2264 01:45:31,133 --> 01:45:32,300 We're done. Thank you everyone. 2265 01:47:57,900 --> 01:48:00,500 - The League of Women voters was founded almost a hundred 2266 01:48:00,500 --> 01:48:03,100 years ago with the right to vote for women. 2267 01:48:04,667 --> 01:48:07,500 Not only the right to vote, but an informed vote. 2268 01:48:08,433 --> 01:48:12,133 - You need to know everything about that candidate. 2269 01:48:12,533 --> 01:48:15,166 You need to be able to ask that candidate questions. 2270 01:48:16,634 --> 01:48:19,734 - I think that the organization is going to continue 2271 01:48:19,734 --> 01:48:22,033 to attract a diverse membership 2272 01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,667 and I think that that will help us in working toward the 2273 01:48:25,667 --> 01:48:28,033 goal of better representation for everybody. 2274 01:48:28,333 --> 01:48:30,767 - There's a wonderful opportunity here for people 2275 01:48:30,767 --> 01:48:32,133 who are younger to come 2276 01:48:32,166 --> 01:48:35,000 and learn from women who have been part of social movements 2277 01:48:35,033 --> 01:48:36,734 for years and years. 2278 01:48:37,467 --> 01:48:41,133 - It's our job to be a mentor to the newer members 2279 01:48:41,133 --> 01:48:42,367 because they're the ones 2280 01:48:42,367 --> 01:48:45,033 after all that are going to be carrying the Benner 2281 01:48:45,066 --> 01:48:47,433 of the league into the next a hundred years. 2282 01:48:48,367 --> 01:48:52,133 We stand for the nonpartisanship that we should all have 2283 01:48:52,066 --> 01:48:54,433 as leaders in our democracy today.