1 00:00:00,233 --> 00:00:02,033 - We are the community diversity Group. 2 00:00:02,367 --> 00:00:04,500 Our mission is to foster an inclusive 3 00:00:04,700 --> 00:00:07,000 and interactive community, which attracts 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,233 and retains a pool of potential employees 5 00:00:09,266 --> 00:00:11,567 and residents from underrepresented groups. 6 00:00:12,367 --> 00:00:14,033 We accomplish this in many ways, 7 00:00:14,066 --> 00:00:17,133 including sponsoring events like the Community Resource Fair 8 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:19,834 publishing, a monthly resource flyer, 9 00:00:20,133 --> 00:00:22,266 and providing public training and educational 10 00:00:22,266 --> 00:00:23,467 and networking events. 11 00:00:24,266 --> 00:00:28,300 You can find us online@communitydiversitygroup.com. 12 00:00:30,133 --> 00:00:34,000 - For 30 years the State College Community Land Trust has 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,867 been creating a community where the people 14 00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:40,033 who work here can afford to live, grow, and belong. 15 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:44,500 We've created and preserved 56 permanently affordable homes, 16 00:00:44,934 --> 00:00:48,166 opening the door to home ownership for more than 80 families 17 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:52,100 with energy efficient upgrades, green building 18 00:00:52,433 --> 00:00:54,100 and clean energy investments. 19 00:00:54,634 --> 00:00:57,100 Our homeowners enjoy lower utility costs 20 00:00:57,767 --> 00:01:00,166 and affordable homes that last for generations. 21 00:01:01,266 --> 00:01:03,667 Our programs serve low to moderate 22 00:01:04,100 --> 00:01:05,867 and middle income individuals 23 00:01:05,867 --> 00:01:08,667 and families who want to live in State College. 24 00:01:09,567 --> 00:01:12,133 None of this would be possible without our extended 25 00:01:12,233 --> 00:01:17,133 community of dedicated staff volunteers, local businesses 26 00:01:17,133 --> 00:01:19,367 and banks and our nonprofit partners. 27 00:01:20,233 --> 00:01:24,667 Join the movement, donate, volunteer, leave a legacy 28 00:01:24,667 --> 00:01:27,433 through planned giving, share our story. 29 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:30,867 Visit SCC land trust.org. 30 00:01:37,266 --> 00:01:40,000 - You are watching CNET Centre County's Government 31 00:01:40,033 --> 00:01:41,700 and Educational Access Network. 32 00:01:48,166 --> 00:01:51,033 - I'll call the order the Tuesday, September. 33 00:01:51,367 --> 00:01:54,166 Oh, by the way, you guys are ready, right? Alright, sorry. 34 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:57,667 Call the order of the Tuesday, September 22nd, 35 00:01:58,100 --> 00:02:00,533 Centre County Metropolitan Planning Organization's 36 00:02:00,533 --> 00:02:01,734 Coordinating Committee meeting. 37 00:02:01,734 --> 00:02:05,433 First item on the agenda is just, I just wanna call 38 00:02:05,433 --> 00:02:08,367 to your attention the safety moment that is in your agenda. 39 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,100 Anybody have any questions, comments, 40 00:02:11,567 --> 00:02:12,900 staff, anything to add to that? 41 00:02:13,934 --> 00:02:16,100 - So this is something - That's been circulating 42 00:02:16,133 --> 00:02:18,367 around in terms of the safety conferences 43 00:02:19,133 --> 00:02:22,066 and I thought if you kind of go through them, it kind 44 00:02:22,066 --> 00:02:25,634 of illustrates what your, how your vision changes 45 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,033 as you drive faster. 46 00:02:27,634 --> 00:02:30,667 Now, you as an individual may feel like you can see more, 47 00:02:32,033 --> 00:02:34,266 but regardless of what you believe, 48 00:02:34,266 --> 00:02:37,900 you can see there are always limitations as you drive faster 49 00:02:38,667 --> 00:02:42,100 and as as daylight savings time comes. 50 00:02:42,867 --> 00:02:45,100 Please be cognizant of pedestrians, 51 00:02:52,567 --> 00:02:55,667 - I think Joe, Eric, hang - On. 52 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:57,767 Hang on. Are you done? Yep, I'm done. 53 00:02:57,767 --> 00:02:59,567 Okay, then we can move to questions. Joanne? 54 00:02:59,634 --> 00:03:00,934 - No, it's not a question. 55 00:03:01,133 --> 00:03:04,000 It's one way to really make this pop. 56 00:03:04,266 --> 00:03:05,700 I played with this on my computer. 57 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:09,100 This says is turn it into a mini video and it goes in 58 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:11,867 and out and you can actually see the difference instead 59 00:03:11,867 --> 00:03:13,100 of just one at another. 60 00:03:13,433 --> 00:03:14,567 Just FYI. Yep. 61 00:03:14,934 --> 00:03:15,266 - Thank you. 62 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,834 - Anyone else? I failed to do? 63 00:03:23,834 --> 00:03:25,266 We do Roll Call at MPL. 64 00:03:26,433 --> 00:03:27,567 - We don't, but we can if 65 00:03:27,567 --> 00:03:28,533 - You like don't know, just 66 00:03:28,533 --> 00:03:29,834 we're fine then we'll keep rolling. 67 00:03:30,333 --> 00:03:32,634 Just make sure I didn't miss, actually you should. 68 00:03:33,166 --> 00:03:35,367 Alright, if, if for public record. 69 00:03:35,634 --> 00:03:37,467 Alright, then we will pause 70 00:03:37,634 --> 00:03:39,233 before moving into Public Comment 71 00:03:39,433 --> 00:03:41,100 and allow staff to do Roll Call. 72 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:45,000 Thanks. Frank Frank's here to keep us in line. Frank 73 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,100 - Always keeps me in line. 74 00:03:46,133 --> 00:03:50,066 Yes. Okay. Mark Higgins. Here. 75 00:03:50,233 --> 00:03:53,333 Amber Ion. Eric Bernier. 76 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:55,900 - Here. - Jeremy Thompson Here. 77 00:03:57,066 --> 00:03:59,100 - No, Amber's here too. Oh, she just didn't announce 78 00:03:59,100 --> 00:04:00,100 - The time. 79 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:04,033 Perfect. Sorry. Jeremy Thompson. You said here. I'm here. 80 00:04:04,033 --> 00:04:08,433 Yeah. Bruce Helms. Here. Frank Harden. Here. Heidi Ey. 81 00:04:08,533 --> 00:04:13,367 Here go. Paul Valcon on. Yes. Paula Here. 82 00:04:14,066 --> 00:04:18,500 Alexandra? David Ano. Keith Reese. 83 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:21,100 Eric Rena. Here. 84 00:04:21,634 --> 00:04:26,000 GN Bacon Online I believe. 85 00:04:27,367 --> 00:04:31,834 Joanne Toy. I'm here. Dick Decker? No. Margie Bowl. 86 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:37,166 I'm here. Phil Burnett. Nate Walker. 87 00:04:38,667 --> 00:04:42,634 Here. Eric Murc. I'm here. 88 00:04:43,066 --> 00:04:44,066 Alright. 89 00:04:44,934 --> 00:04:47,867 - Okay. That's it for voting members? Yep. Alright. 90 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,266 Now that takes us to Public Comment. 91 00:04:51,233 --> 00:04:54,500 This is opportunity to address the committee on anything 92 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:57,367 that's not on tonight's agenda. 93 00:04:57,634 --> 00:05:01,033 I'm looking online for any digital hands to be raised. 94 00:05:01,133 --> 00:05:06,066 And in the meantime I'm looking in the room marketing. 95 00:05:09,233 --> 00:05:13,133 - Just a quick question for PennDOT, when you have a chance, 96 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,166 if you could send me an update on 97 00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:19,266 what you've been working on with Benner Pike had a citizen 98 00:05:19,467 --> 00:05:20,934 who commutes on that road 99 00:05:21,066 --> 00:05:23,667 and he is noticing his commute times are increasing. 100 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:25,100 So 101 00:05:27,033 --> 00:05:29,867 - Is that in relationship to the study? 102 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,467 - Yeah, in the study. - Okay. Okay. 103 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:35,734 The, the supplemental planning funds study. 104 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,133 Is that, or is there another study that 105 00:05:40,133 --> 00:05:43,100 - Well PennDOT had done in a very initial study 106 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,700 of potential solutions to producing 107 00:05:47,266 --> 00:05:48,934 the congestion on the Better Pike. 108 00:05:49,433 --> 00:05:51,100 Just wondering if there's an update 109 00:05:51,133 --> 00:05:54,166 or anything they might wanna be trying first. 110 00:05:58,467 --> 00:06:01,033 - So if you go back to the June meeting Yeah. 111 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:09,834 Many of the solutions put out there Oh are long term. Yeah. 112 00:06:10,266 --> 00:06:12,066 Our long term and they require 113 00:06:15,533 --> 00:06:17,700 collaboration from the municipalities. 114 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:23,033 There are some things that we can do to, to kick 115 00:06:23,133 --> 00:06:24,133 that along. 116 00:06:26,667 --> 00:06:28,734 But in terms of programming, I think more 117 00:06:28,734 --> 00:06:31,934 what they leveled at us was the idea that we would, 118 00:06:33,333 --> 00:06:36,533 the comment from Banner Township 119 00:06:38,500 --> 00:06:41,066 was that there were also some other problems on the 120 00:06:41,133 --> 00:06:43,333 corridor, notably at the intersection of one 50 121 00:06:43,367 --> 00:06:46,834 and five 50 that we would have to investigate 122 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 to gain the full benefit from the study. 123 00:06:49,734 --> 00:06:53,467 So from our point of view, we are continuing 124 00:06:53,467 --> 00:06:57,133 to encourage the municipalities to, to move forward 125 00:06:57,266 --> 00:07:01,333 with some of the, with some of the planning methods, 126 00:07:01,867 --> 00:07:03,834 with the idea that you want to continue 127 00:07:03,834 --> 00:07:07,000 to maintain your signal timings, update them 128 00:07:07,233 --> 00:07:11,066 as new developments come and or as traffic patterns change, 129 00:07:12,166 --> 00:07:16,033 but also look towards programming additional 130 00:07:17,066 --> 00:07:20,033 projects in future tip updates. 131 00:07:20,033 --> 00:07:22,767 That is a long slow moving process. 132 00:07:23,634 --> 00:07:26,266 And there's, you know, as mentioned we'd have 133 00:07:26,266 --> 00:07:28,233 to look at the 1 55 50 intersection 134 00:07:28,233 --> 00:07:29,567 somewhere in that process. 135 00:07:30,533 --> 00:07:32,734 I don't think there's anything that really comes out of 136 00:07:32,734 --> 00:07:36,133 that study that we can put into implementation this fall 137 00:07:36,233 --> 00:07:38,266 and expect to see answers come spring. 138 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:43,133 Alright, I'm just passing it on from the citizen. Mark 139 00:07:43,166 --> 00:07:45,500 - Raises hand on line mark. 140 00:07:46,233 --> 00:07:47,233 Go ahead. 141 00:07:47,834 --> 00:07:49,100 - Yes, thank you Marshall. 142 00:07:49,133 --> 00:07:52,000 Depend on, wanted to bring to, to light 143 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,233 that there was a recent signal upgrade. 144 00:07:55,867 --> 00:08:00,066 It was a, a previous award grant to Better Township. 145 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:02,300 I believe our signal 146 00:08:02,433 --> 00:08:04,100 or traffic unit made us aware that 147 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:06,066 that had completed recently. 148 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:09,033 So what I'll do is, I'll make note of this, 149 00:08:09,066 --> 00:08:10,767 I'll take it back to our traffic unit 150 00:08:11,066 --> 00:08:12,867 and talk with them about communicating 151 00:08:12,867 --> 00:08:17,033 with the local municipality about some potential up changes, 152 00:08:17,133 --> 00:08:19,533 maybe some adjustments that are needed to those signals. 153 00:08:20,734 --> 00:08:23,500 - There - We go. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks Mark. 154 00:08:23,567 --> 00:08:25,834 Yeah, that was actually some really helpful info. 155 00:08:27,066 --> 00:08:29,767 So in essence we got a handbook or a playbook Yeah. 156 00:08:29,867 --> 00:08:33,533 With the study and like Jim mentioned, 157 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:36,066 there was a little bit of low hanging fruit that 158 00:08:36,066 --> 00:08:37,066 that can be addressed. 159 00:08:37,133 --> 00:08:40,533 I mean one of the things was Zoning, you know, booking at, 160 00:08:42,133 --> 00:08:43,233 you know, existing Zoning 161 00:08:43,567 --> 00:08:45,367 and could possibly be done there too. 162 00:08:45,367 --> 00:08:49,700 Yeah. Okay. Any other public comments? 163 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:52,000 I'm not seeing any hands raised online. 164 00:08:53,433 --> 00:08:56,367 Nobody else in the room. So we'll move to new agenda items. 165 00:08:56,533 --> 00:08:58,734 Same deal opportunity here for anybody, 166 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,333 anybody on the committee to request new agenda item 167 00:09:02,433 --> 00:09:03,834 for tonight or future meeting. 168 00:09:06,467 --> 00:09:07,533 In fact, I'll open that up 169 00:09:07,533 --> 00:09:08,867 to anybody who's not on the committee 170 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:12,834 going once, twice. 171 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:17,634 Alright, we'll move to Consent Agenda for the record. 172 00:09:18,133 --> 00:09:21,467 There are four items in tonight's Consent Agenda, approval 173 00:09:21,467 --> 00:09:23,934 of the minutes from the June 23rd, 2026 174 00:09:23,934 --> 00:09:25,033 coordinating committee meeting. 175 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:27,734 The second item is the federal functional class 176 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:28,867 system review update. 177 00:09:29,033 --> 00:09:33,500 The third is the NVI Community charging funding opportunity 178 00:09:33,834 --> 00:09:36,066 for the Centre Region Centre Region. 179 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,333 And the last item is the project committee's update 180 00:09:39,467 --> 00:09:41,533 and grant application update. 181 00:09:43,100 --> 00:09:45,233 These items will either be accepted 182 00:09:45,367 --> 00:09:50,066 or approved through the acceptance of our Consent Agenda. 183 00:09:50,266 --> 00:09:52,867 Would anyone like to have any of those items pulled 184 00:09:52,867 --> 00:09:54,634 before we entertain a motion 185 00:09:54,734 --> 00:09:57,266 to accept the Consent Agenda as presented? 186 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:03,934 Anybody? Alright, Charles, accept the motion 187 00:10:03,934 --> 00:10:05,700 to accept the Consent Agenda as presented. 188 00:10:07,634 --> 00:10:10,567 - I moved. - Okay. Got a motion from Gopal? Second. 189 00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:14,834 - Second. - Alright, I got Joanna as a second. 190 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:17,367 Any discussion questions? 191 00:10:18,133 --> 00:10:20,533 If not all in favor, please signify by saying aye 192 00:10:21,133 --> 00:10:22,734 - A. Aye. Aye. 193 00:10:23,433 --> 00:10:27,467 - Anyone opposed? Alright. 194 00:10:27,533 --> 00:10:28,634 Motion carries. 195 00:10:28,634 --> 00:10:33,266 Consent Agenda adopted And that takes us to item number six, 196 00:10:33,667 --> 00:10:36,900 our State College area Connector project update. 197 00:10:38,433 --> 00:10:40,266 Who's going to, who's gonna take that? 198 00:10:42,266 --> 00:10:44,166 - I can take that one, Eric. - Alright, thanks. 199 00:10:44,166 --> 00:10:46,133 Kevin. Four is yours. Yep. 200 00:10:46,767 --> 00:10:48,033 - Alright, thank you. 201 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:50,433 As most of the committee knows 202 00:10:50,734 --> 00:10:53,033 during the draft EIS review process, 203 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:56,433 the PennDOT team received several comments from the public 204 00:10:57,166 --> 00:10:59,533 and to ensure that we address each comment 205 00:10:59,867 --> 00:11:02,500 and give it the thorough consideration it deserves. 206 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:06,033 We then conducted additional environmental 207 00:11:06,266 --> 00:11:08,900 and engineering investigations to further 208 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:11,433 evaluate project impacts, opportunities 209 00:11:11,834 --> 00:11:13,066 and design considerations. 210 00:11:14,233 --> 00:11:16,634 These efforts were undertaken to confirm 211 00:11:16,634 --> 00:11:19,367 that the project being advanced best meets the, 212 00:11:19,367 --> 00:11:21,734 the region's transportation needs while balancing 213 00:11:22,734 --> 00:11:25,900 the interest for environmental community 214 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,634 and stakeholder stakeholders alike. 215 00:11:29,734 --> 00:11:31,867 The results of those investigations continue 216 00:11:31,867 --> 00:11:33,500 to support the central alternative 217 00:11:33,667 --> 00:11:35,934 as the preferred alternative as was presented 218 00:11:35,934 --> 00:11:40,266 during the draft EIS and the Public Hearing and PennDOT 219 00:11:40,367 --> 00:11:42,634 and FHWA are working collaboratively 220 00:11:42,667 --> 00:11:45,033 to complete the final EIS to ensure 221 00:11:45,033 --> 00:11:46,166 that all comments have been 222 00:11:46,367 --> 00:11:47,900 thoroughly considered and addressed. 223 00:11:48,333 --> 00:11:50,367 And to verify that legal sufficiency 224 00:11:50,533 --> 00:11:52,500 and compliance with appropriate laws 225 00:11:52,533 --> 00:11:54,266 and regulations has been completed. 226 00:11:55,233 --> 00:11:56,300 The final EIS 227 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:59,000 and record of decision are anticipated to be completed 228 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,500 and published within the next few months. 229 00:12:01,867 --> 00:12:05,934 So I know that we were initially going with the schedule 230 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,867 to try to have that completed this summer. 231 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:11,333 Like I said, with, with all of the, the comments 232 00:12:11,533 --> 00:12:14,000 that we received and the additional studies that we wanted 233 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,233 to make sure that we thoroughly addressed everything 234 00:12:16,233 --> 00:12:18,834 and that we have everything, you know, I saw in the document 235 00:12:18,934 --> 00:12:23,634 and as a good alternative to meet all the purpose 236 00:12:23,667 --> 00:12:26,767 and needs and the, the identified objectives of the project. 237 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,100 That's taken, taken a little bit longer, 238 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:33,333 but we will have a, a complete document in the end, 239 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,266 talk about other updates that the team is working on. 240 00:12:38,934 --> 00:12:41,100 We're currently working on a drilling contract 241 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:42,634 to get started with borings 242 00:12:43,467 --> 00:12:46,500 for the geotechnical investigations along the selected 243 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:47,533 alternative corridor. 244 00:12:48,367 --> 00:12:51,367 We did have a pre-bid meeting earlier today 245 00:12:51,433 --> 00:12:54,066 with some prospective bidders for the, 246 00:12:54,066 --> 00:12:55,100 the drilling contract. 247 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:58,133 The first drilling contract is anticipated to start, 248 00:12:58,367 --> 00:13:01,033 it'll be mostly towards the western end of the project area 249 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:04,367 and we anticipate awarding that early next month. 250 00:13:04,834 --> 00:13:07,734 So it'll start to see some trucks 251 00:13:07,834 --> 00:13:11,533 and movement of equipment out there shortly thereafter in, 252 00:13:11,634 --> 00:13:15,000 in the, in this fall in winter season to get that, 253 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:16,367 that contract started 254 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:20,000 and we'll be, you know, sharing that information 255 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,100 with the public as well to let them know we've been in 256 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:23,367 contact with property owners 257 00:13:23,467 --> 00:13:26,033 and we'll continue to do so so that they know when 258 00:13:26,333 --> 00:13:28,066 that drilling act, those drill drilling 259 00:13:28,066 --> 00:13:29,000 activities will begin. 260 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,734 The team is still coordinating with all the agencies, 261 00:13:33,834 --> 00:13:36,333 but especially with the US Army Corps of Engineers 262 00:13:36,333 --> 00:13:38,500 and Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection. 263 00:13:39,133 --> 00:13:42,066 That is for the, the Federal Waterway permit, 264 00:13:42,066 --> 00:13:45,000 which is the 4 0 4 water waterway permit, as well 265 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,033 as the state 4 0 1 water quality certification. 266 00:13:49,033 --> 00:13:51,367 Good news is we did get the 4 0 1 water quality 267 00:13:51,834 --> 00:13:53,066 certification from DEP 268 00:13:53,367 --> 00:13:54,634 and we're continuing to work 269 00:13:54,634 --> 00:13:58,000 with the US Army Corps on the 4 0 4 waterway permit. 270 00:13:58,700 --> 00:14:01,133 The federal decision on that permit is required 271 00:14:01,767 --> 00:14:04,266 within 90 days of the record of decision. 272 00:14:04,567 --> 00:14:09,066 So they will follow suit as we get closer to the, 273 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:11,033 the final EIS and record of decision. 274 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:18,066 Also last month on August 25th, depend on team met 275 00:14:18,066 --> 00:14:21,133 with Harris Township officials to review preliminary design 276 00:14:21,133 --> 00:14:22,767 of the PA 45 corridor. 277 00:14:23,634 --> 00:14:26,934 That's between the section of PA 45, between Bull Avenue 278 00:14:27,166 --> 00:14:30,000 and the 3 22 interchange with PA 45. 279 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:33,533 And this was just a continuation of previous coordination 280 00:14:34,033 --> 00:14:36,100 regarding the roadway design, looking at the typical section 281 00:14:36,100 --> 00:14:38,533 of that, that particular roadway as well as 282 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,066 the accommodations for pedestrians 283 00:14:41,066 --> 00:14:44,734 and bicyclists so that you're non, non-motorized traffic. 284 00:14:45,834 --> 00:14:47,100 So we had a very good meeting there. 285 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:49,300 We'll continue to coordinate with both Harris 286 00:14:49,367 --> 00:14:50,734 and Potter Township and, 287 00:14:50,734 --> 00:14:53,100 and the local municipality as, as we move forward 288 00:14:53,133 --> 00:14:57,900 with the preliminary design team is also continuing 289 00:14:57,900 --> 00:15:01,166 to coordinate with the consulting parties to develop 290 00:15:02,066 --> 00:15:03,133 an advisory committee, 291 00:15:03,133 --> 00:15:06,233 which will provide input on the contact sensitive design 292 00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:09,266 approaches that may be appropriate for the project. 293 00:15:10,033 --> 00:15:12,734 So we we're anticipating to have a kickoff meeting 294 00:15:12,834 --> 00:15:14,634 as we get closer to the FBIS 295 00:15:14,634 --> 00:15:17,567 and the rod with the record of decision I should say. 296 00:15:17,867 --> 00:15:20,667 And we'll be meeting with that committee. 297 00:15:20,867 --> 00:15:22,934 The committee members have already been updated and, 298 00:15:22,934 --> 00:15:24,000 and agreed upon with the, 299 00:15:24,033 --> 00:15:25,567 the different consulting party members 300 00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:28,867 and we'll be, we'll be looking to schedule 301 00:15:28,867 --> 00:15:30,066 that meeting later this year. 302 00:15:32,133 --> 00:15:36,266 And as usual, the team continues to coordinate with any, 303 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:38,867 you know, all those, the municipalities, the county, 304 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:42,100 all the agencies, but as well as the, 305 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:44,900 the residents within the area as we get questions, you know, 306 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:46,133 we've been still going out 307 00:15:46,133 --> 00:15:48,233 and visiting with residents when they have questions, 308 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:50,500 answering emails, phone calls, 309 00:15:51,367 --> 00:15:53,900 and we'll continue to do so as the project progresses. 310 00:15:54,834 --> 00:15:57,000 So we're happy to, to entertain any questions 311 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,266 that anybody may have at this time. 312 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:01,266 - Okay, again, this is not an action item, 313 00:16:01,266 --> 00:16:02,900 this is simply an update. 314 00:16:03,033 --> 00:16:05,233 So I'll look first to committee members. 315 00:16:06,433 --> 00:16:10,333 Questions, comments for Kevin? Looking around the table? 316 00:16:11,033 --> 00:16:14,066 Anybody online just, just raise your digital hand? 317 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:20,934 No, let me give you another minute By Kevin 318 00:16:22,333 --> 00:16:25,567 or or staff, did anything come out of your presentation 319 00:16:25,567 --> 00:16:29,033 that your updated tech committee worth noting here tonight? 320 00:16:29,734 --> 00:16:30,767 On, on the update? 321 00:16:33,133 --> 00:16:35,767 - The only, the only questions that we got from the, 322 00:16:35,834 --> 00:16:38,000 the tech committee update was 323 00:16:38,667 --> 00:16:40,100 to talk a little bit about the, 324 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:42,867 there's some questions about the PA 45 quarter 325 00:16:42,867 --> 00:16:45,066 that we talked about with Harris Township 326 00:16:45,066 --> 00:16:49,734 and one of which was we in the draft EIS we showed a five 327 00:16:49,734 --> 00:16:52,500 lane typical section, so two lanes in each direction 328 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:53,567 with the center turn lane. 329 00:16:54,033 --> 00:16:55,266 We've since looked at that 330 00:16:55,367 --> 00:16:57,333 and done some additional traffic analysis. 331 00:16:57,467 --> 00:17:00,634 So for the, and the traffic engineers 332 00:17:00,634 --> 00:17:04,266 that may be in the road, we did a SIB analysis, which is a, 333 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:07,066 a, a certain type of traffic operation software 334 00:17:07,533 --> 00:17:10,066 that allows us to do a little bit more detailed analysis 335 00:17:10,066 --> 00:17:11,834 of traffic throughout a corridor. 336 00:17:12,433 --> 00:17:14,700 And when we did that, we were able 337 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:17,367 to refine the design a little bit to get us down to a, 338 00:17:17,367 --> 00:17:19,066 through back to a three lane section. 339 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,834 So one lane, generally one lane in each direction 340 00:17:21,834 --> 00:17:23,066 with the center turn lane and, 341 00:17:23,100 --> 00:17:24,233 and obviously we have some, 342 00:17:24,567 --> 00:17:27,100 some changes in the typical sections as you get to the, 343 00:17:27,233 --> 00:17:29,000 the inter proposed interchange. 344 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,066 But that was a question that came up 345 00:17:31,066 --> 00:17:33,066 with the technical staff, the technical committee. 346 00:17:33,567 --> 00:17:35,266 So we were able to share with them that those are some 347 00:17:35,266 --> 00:17:37,066 of the things that we shared with Harris Township. 348 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,300 So you were looking to make some of those changes 349 00:17:40,700 --> 00:17:45,066 And we also looking at, at working, continuing to work 350 00:17:45,066 --> 00:17:48,100 with the emergency services personnel on access for them to 351 00:17:49,133 --> 00:17:51,700 access, have access to the center portion 352 00:17:52,066 --> 00:17:53,867 of the preferred alternative. 353 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,367 So we've been working with them on that 354 00:17:56,367 --> 00:17:57,634 and we'll continue to do so. 355 00:17:57,700 --> 00:17:59,767 So those were some of the areas I think that were 356 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:03,367 slightly changed and altered a little bit since we had 357 00:18:03,367 --> 00:18:05,333 presented the draft EIS to everybody. 358 00:18:08,066 --> 00:18:10,867 - Right. Thank you. I don't see anybody online. 359 00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:14,533 Last chance in the room. Okay. 360 00:18:15,066 --> 00:18:19,634 Kevin, is it fair to say then we're, we're a few months 361 00:18:19,667 --> 00:18:22,667 behind schedule, at least the initial schedule, 362 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:25,433 but it sounds like it's due in large part to the 363 00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:31,033 extensive and unprecedented level of outreach 364 00:18:31,033 --> 00:18:34,567 and engagement with both municipalities and residents 365 00:18:34,934 --> 00:18:39,100 and then the time it took PennDOT to respond 366 00:18:39,367 --> 00:18:43,166 and adjust the plan where appropriate or necessary. 367 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:44,900 Is that a fair statement? 368 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:47,066 - Yes, very fair statement, yes. 369 00:18:47,066 --> 00:18:51,300 We had, we had great participation from, from the public 370 00:18:52,133 --> 00:18:55,100 and, and that helps to, to give us, you know, 371 00:18:55,133 --> 00:18:57,900 the opportunity to make those adjustments, you know, 372 00:18:57,900 --> 00:18:59,033 before we finalize the document. 373 00:18:59,066 --> 00:19:01,667 So it's, it's very worthwhile. 374 00:19:02,667 --> 00:19:06,834 - Alright then on behalf of the MPO, I will again thank you 375 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,033 and the PennDOT staff for those efforts 376 00:19:10,033 --> 00:19:12,567 because that was exactly what the MPO, 377 00:19:12,567 --> 00:19:16,734 this committee went on record asking both you 378 00:19:16,734 --> 00:19:18,166 and Pendot to do as part of this project. 379 00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:20,100 So thank you. 380 00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:22,433 If there's no further comments 381 00:19:22,667 --> 00:19:24,867 or questions, we'll move to the next agenda item, 382 00:19:27,066 --> 00:19:30,066 which is really, I believe the only one that's 383 00:19:31,166 --> 00:19:34,533 the staff is asking for action on tonight 384 00:19:34,533 --> 00:19:38,100 and that is the Centre County passenger rail access study 385 00:19:39,333 --> 00:19:43,300 status report, final presentation, and potentially a motion 386 00:19:43,634 --> 00:19:45,133 or action here tonight to, 387 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:50,867 to accept the draft final report pending comment. 388 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:52,567 And for the first time in, I don't know 389 00:19:52,567 --> 00:19:55,133 how many years, Brian's not here. 390 00:19:55,133 --> 00:19:56,567 So let me kick it to Greg 391 00:19:56,634 --> 00:20:00,066 and you can tell me who's gonna take Brian's place tonight. 392 00:20:00,433 --> 00:20:01,767 - Well thank you Mr. Chair. 393 00:20:02,266 --> 00:20:05,433 As you mentioned, we are looking to wrap up 394 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:09,066 or wind down the passenger rail access study this evening. 395 00:20:09,133 --> 00:20:12,133 It's been going on for just a wee bit over a year 396 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,500 at this point this evening. 397 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:20,100 We have two individuals from Michael Baker International, 398 00:20:21,033 --> 00:20:23,734 Peyton Trus, Trussell and Ben Warner. 399 00:20:23,767 --> 00:20:27,100 And then we also have Toby F from Rockland Planning 400 00:20:27,033 --> 00:20:30,100 who is a sub consultant on this effort. 401 00:20:30,734 --> 00:20:34,033 As Eric mentioned, we will be looking for action 402 00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:37,500 of some sort at the end of this presentation. 403 00:20:38,367 --> 00:20:39,634 I also will put out there, 404 00:20:39,667 --> 00:20:42,100 I don't wanna steal too much thunder from the presentation, 405 00:20:43,433 --> 00:20:44,533 but I will say 406 00:20:44,533 --> 00:20:47,500 that we did get one comment at the technical committee 407 00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:50,533 meeting and that is that we take at least some steps 408 00:20:51,066 --> 00:20:54,567 to integrate this with College Township Dell Summit area 409 00:20:54,767 --> 00:20:57,767 plan because of the rail infrastructure in the area, 410 00:20:57,934 --> 00:21:00,634 the access to infrastructure leading into 411 00:21:01,133 --> 00:21:02,500 downtown State College, as well 412 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:04,500 as easy access out of the area. 413 00:21:05,266 --> 00:21:06,867 So we did take that step 414 00:21:07,634 --> 00:21:08,934 and you'll see the rest 415 00:21:08,934 --> 00:21:10,634 of the draft results here in a moment. 416 00:21:10,867 --> 00:21:14,000 But looks like I'll be introducing Ben Warner from 417 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,634 Michael Baker International. 418 00:21:16,667 --> 00:21:19,000 - Okay, thank you Greg. Ben, the floor is yours. 419 00:21:20,066 --> 00:21:23,066 - Thank you all and thanks Greg for that brief introduction. 420 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,700 Yes, Brian is out on vacation this week, so 421 00:21:27,367 --> 00:21:29,066 I'll provide the briefing tonight. 422 00:21:29,634 --> 00:21:32,734 As Greg mentioned, also joined by Peyton 423 00:21:32,934 --> 00:21:37,033 and Toby to assist with answering any questions 424 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:39,266 as we well throughout the presentation. 425 00:21:39,567 --> 00:21:42,934 I will mention it's a pretty lengthy presentation tonight, 426 00:21:43,133 --> 00:21:46,500 so if there's a question on one of the slides 427 00:21:47,934 --> 00:21:50,467 or the alternatives that we're gonna look at, feel free 428 00:21:50,467 --> 00:21:53,767 to raise your hand, interrupt me, I will take offense 429 00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:56,033 and we can try to answer the questions on the fly 430 00:21:56,033 --> 00:21:57,066 if that's beneficial as well. 431 00:21:58,467 --> 00:22:02,000 - Go - Next slide please, Greg. Thank you. 432 00:22:02,133 --> 00:22:04,133 So tonight's briefing, just a brief overview. 433 00:22:04,734 --> 00:22:07,934 We're gonna discuss the study purpose and objectives. 434 00:22:08,266 --> 00:22:10,333 We're gonna look at the four alternatives 435 00:22:10,767 --> 00:22:12,533 that were developed as part of the study 436 00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:15,133 and then really the bulk of it's gonna be 437 00:22:16,333 --> 00:22:19,000 how did we get here based off involvement with the public. 438 00:22:19,467 --> 00:22:22,033 So I'll provide a brief overview on the public engagement 439 00:22:22,266 --> 00:22:26,100 overview and dive the specifics of the public survey, 440 00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:28,233 our stakeholder interviews, 441 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:30,700 our 30 day Public Comment period. 442 00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:33,700 And then in the middle of that 30 day Public Comment period 443 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:38,066 that ran from July August, we also hosted a very successful 444 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,066 public open house. 445 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,867 - Hey Ben, let me, let me interrupt you for a second. 446 00:22:43,634 --> 00:22:44,634 How about we take a break 447 00:22:44,700 --> 00:22:48,033 after each one of those seven segments for questions? 448 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,033 I assume there's a couple of slides for each one. 449 00:22:53,066 --> 00:22:54,734 - Yeah, so basically a couple 450 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,133 besides this first section, I'll say there's only, 451 00:22:57,166 --> 00:22:59,767 there's only one slide and then we roll into the next. 452 00:23:00,066 --> 00:23:03,000 So, but yeah, we can definitely pause after each session. 453 00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:05,767 - Alright, thank you. - Absolutely. 454 00:23:07,567 --> 00:23:10,000 So some of the study objectives 455 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,066 and the purpose was really designed 456 00:23:12,066 --> 00:23:14,834 to update rather than simply repeat 457 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,634 and revisit the Keystone West report. 458 00:23:18,433 --> 00:23:22,133 So like I mentioned, our process was stakeholder engagement. 459 00:23:22,133 --> 00:23:24,066 So we met with stakeholders, update 460 00:23:24,133 --> 00:23:27,700 and validate the assumptions from the Keystone West report. 461 00:23:28,166 --> 00:23:29,734 We explored routing options 462 00:23:30,133 --> 00:23:35,066 and endpoints for services considered, so shuttle busters 463 00:23:35,233 --> 00:23:37,533 or rail options. 464 00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:41,333 We identify the most sustain, supportable 465 00:23:41,433 --> 00:23:42,934 and sustainable options 466 00:23:43,467 --> 00:23:46,634 for both passenger rail and shuttle bus. 467 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:49,300 And then we also evaluated the willingness 468 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:51,834 and ability of the required partners 469 00:23:51,834 --> 00:23:53,367 to provide the improved access. 470 00:23:53,567 --> 00:23:57,634 Obviously this is not just one group 471 00:23:57,867 --> 00:23:59,767 or agency that would be involved with this. 472 00:23:59,767 --> 00:24:01,500 There's a lot of players that would be involved. 473 00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:05,133 So we were insured throughout the whole process 474 00:24:05,266 --> 00:24:08,533 that we involved all of those particular parties 475 00:24:14,133 --> 00:24:14,734 Continuing. 476 00:24:14,767 --> 00:24:16,000 So here into the next section, 477 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,133 looking at our four alternatives. 478 00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:19,867 This is the first of four, 479 00:24:19,867 --> 00:24:23,133 which is a dedicated shuttle bus service connecting Centre 480 00:24:23,133 --> 00:24:26,266 County with the existing Amtrak stations such as 481 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,033 Altoona or Harrisburg. 482 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:30,166 As you'll see here, each 483 00:24:30,166 --> 00:24:33,333 of the alternatives are set up in a similar fashion 484 00:24:33,533 --> 00:24:36,934 with brief overview across the top, highlighting 485 00:24:36,934 --> 00:24:40,867 what the alternative is and then a list of several benefits 486 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:43,166 and challenges that would come along 487 00:24:43,166 --> 00:24:44,467 with each of the alternatives. 488 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:47,867 So for the shuttle bus service connecting 489 00:24:47,867 --> 00:24:51,433 to existing Amtrak stations, some of the key advantages 490 00:24:52,533 --> 00:24:55,000 include it would probably be the lowest cost 491 00:24:55,867 --> 00:24:58,266 'cause it could use existing roads and rail service 492 00:24:59,033 --> 00:25:02,100 and we wouldn't really need any new rail infrastructure. 493 00:25:02,266 --> 00:25:04,133 It has the potential to offer flexible 494 00:25:04,367 --> 00:25:08,133 and scaled services based on Penn State events, 495 00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:09,367 the academic calendar. 496 00:25:09,533 --> 00:25:13,900 So really looking at those football Saturdays, concerts, 497 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:17,000 holidays for the students at the, 498 00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:22,000 at the university in addition to also beginning 499 00:25:22,133 --> 00:25:23,700 and end of the semester. 500 00:25:24,734 --> 00:25:28,333 Some of the key issues are the sustainable operating 501 00:25:28,333 --> 00:25:31,000 funding, seasonal demand, as I mentioned, 502 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,166 it would be very spiky based on particular events 503 00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:38,033 with the university schedule coordination with Amtrak 504 00:25:38,066 --> 00:25:42,233 to align is where so busing individuals to 505 00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:45,367 and from the Amtrak stations, you would want 506 00:25:45,367 --> 00:25:48,667 to ensure alignment with Amtrak stations 507 00:25:48,767 --> 00:25:51,100 to make sure the individuals can connect to 508 00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:56,000 and from State College integrated ticketing vehicle 509 00:25:56,233 --> 00:25:57,467 and facility needs 510 00:25:57,533 --> 00:25:59,834 and the potential for LI limited fair revenue 511 00:26:00,066 --> 00:26:03,066 or some of the negatives 512 00:26:03,133 --> 00:26:04,266 I'll mention throughout the process. 513 00:26:05,133 --> 00:26:07,834 This was viewed as a lower cost access strategy, 514 00:26:08,767 --> 00:26:12,033 but would still require a large operating partnership 515 00:26:12,133 --> 00:26:14,066 across multiple agencies. 516 00:26:17,333 --> 00:26:20,367 Our second alternative is expanding 517 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,266 existing inner city bus service 518 00:26:22,266 --> 00:26:24,433 between Centre County and Harrisburg. 519 00:26:25,033 --> 00:26:29,100 So this would be Greyhound fullington services 520 00:26:29,867 --> 00:26:32,000 provide both connection to Amtrak 521 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,934 and a useful regional mobility for other chips 522 00:26:34,934 --> 00:26:37,166 for individuals who, not just students 523 00:26:37,333 --> 00:26:41,066 but also residents who may live in Centre County 524 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,033 but want to travel that need to travel to Harrisburg 525 00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:45,367 for work or vice versa. 526 00:26:45,667 --> 00:26:48,066 Individuals lived out in the Harrisburg area need to travel 527 00:26:48,233 --> 00:26:49,467 to Centre County. 528 00:26:51,133 --> 00:26:52,266 Some of the key challenges 529 00:26:52,266 --> 00:26:55,467 for this alternative are operating funding requirements, 530 00:26:56,066 --> 00:27:00,567 again, highly peaked demand based on campus events, 531 00:27:01,133 --> 00:27:05,100 broad reliability, congestion, potential for 532 00:27:06,066 --> 00:27:09,066 accidents, causing delays along with the inner city bus, 533 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,767 and then coordination among the carriers, PennDOT, 534 00:27:13,033 --> 00:27:15,033 local partners and Amtrak. 535 00:27:19,133 --> 00:27:22,300 So those were the two shuttle bus service alternatives. 536 00:27:22,867 --> 00:27:24,934 Now looking at our rail alternatives, 537 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,500 The first rail alternative was our short line rail shuttle 538 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:33,333 service to Centre County. 539 00:27:33,767 --> 00:27:36,266 Under this concept, basically a rail shuttle would connect 540 00:27:36,266 --> 00:27:39,467 Centre County with the existing Amtrak network using 541 00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:42,033 existing freight rail corridor corridors 542 00:27:42,066 --> 00:27:44,367 and serving communities throughout Centre County 543 00:27:44,934 --> 00:27:48,100 and beyond, such as Beon or Downtown State College. 544 00:27:48,734 --> 00:27:51,500 Some of the advantages include a one seat rail connection 545 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,266 within Centre County serving multiple communities, 546 00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:57,467 more reliable that highway travel 547 00:27:58,066 --> 00:28:01,533 and the potential to support transit oriented development. 548 00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:04,934 So the trade offs, significant capital investment. 549 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:08,867 So we're starting to talk about more expensive alternatives 550 00:28:09,033 --> 00:28:11,934 with our rail coordination with freight railroads 551 00:28:11,934 --> 00:28:13,834 and Amtrak, potential track 552 00:28:14,066 --> 00:28:18,934 and station upgrades, OP operating subsidies, equipment 553 00:28:18,934 --> 00:28:20,033 and maintenance requirements, 554 00:28:20,567 --> 00:28:23,233 and then again, dependence on those reliable connections 555 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:25,867 after you get off the rail shuttle service 556 00:28:25,934 --> 00:28:27,734 and trying to find connections beyond. 557 00:28:32,133 --> 00:28:35,500 Our fourth and final alternative is our, 558 00:28:35,734 --> 00:28:37,700 that direct passenger rail service 559 00:28:38,367 --> 00:28:42,300 to State College from the Altoona Amtrak station 560 00:28:43,266 --> 00:28:46,300 and really direct this would provide direct access 561 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:49,233 through the NI and Bald Eagle Road railroad corridor, 562 00:28:51,133 --> 00:28:53,333 while it provides the strongest direct access, 563 00:28:53,567 --> 00:28:54,567 it's a one seat trip 564 00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:56,100 and really responds 565 00:28:56,634 --> 00:29:00,066 to those major travel generators in the region providing 566 00:29:00,066 --> 00:29:03,467 direct access for visitors, tourists, or the general public. 567 00:29:05,033 --> 00:29:07,000 It's also the most complex alternative. 568 00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:09,367 Obviously you have high capital costs, 569 00:29:10,433 --> 00:29:13,033 you would require new station upgrades and 570 00:29:13,033 --> 00:29:14,867 or just brand new stations in general. 571 00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:18,233 Railroad ownership and operating agreements 572 00:29:18,233 --> 00:29:19,367 would've to be implemented. 573 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,700 There would be significant infrastructure upgrade 574 00:29:23,166 --> 00:29:24,233 you'd be operating. 575 00:29:24,266 --> 00:29:27,000 There would be freight impacts, which could cause freight 576 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,033 to be moved to the nine operational constraints, 577 00:29:31,367 --> 00:29:32,834 recurring subsidy needs 578 00:29:33,433 --> 00:29:36,867 and the demand that may be highly seasonal or event driven. 579 00:29:37,133 --> 00:29:40,333 So again, the common theme here, as you've probably heard, 580 00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,834 is a lot of the alternatives appear to be driven by 581 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,233 those spiky trends from Penn State 582 00:29:48,634 --> 00:29:50,367 and beginning end of semester 583 00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:53,133 football games events on campus. 584 00:29:54,667 --> 00:29:56,934 So that is the end of the one section. 585 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,033 So I know that was a lot of information, 586 00:30:00,066 --> 00:30:02,500 but I will at least pause Toby 587 00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:04,300 and I would be happy to kind 588 00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:06,266 of answer any questions on the four 589 00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:08,100 alternatives if there are any. 590 00:30:09,166 --> 00:30:13,066 - Okay. One quick request before we open it up. 591 00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:16,000 On the first two alternatives, you identified 592 00:30:18,934 --> 00:30:20,300 Harrisburg and Altoona. 593 00:30:21,066 --> 00:30:24,467 I believe that the report notes why, 594 00:30:24,567 --> 00:30:27,233 but for the folks who might be watching tonight, 595 00:30:27,367 --> 00:30:30,533 could you explain a little bit why those two sites were 596 00:30:30,533 --> 00:30:33,066 chosen in alternatives one and two? 597 00:30:35,266 --> 00:30:39,634 - Absolutely. So originally we were looking at Lewistown 598 00:30:40,066 --> 00:30:44,000 and Tyrone has potential connections, but 599 00:30:44,266 --> 00:30:47,834 after we conducted our stakeholder interviews 600 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,100 specifically with Amtrak, we learned 601 00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:55,834 that travelers are extremely vulnerable. 602 00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:59,100 So basically you envision it 603 00:30:59,133 --> 00:31:03,100 as an individual who's unfamiliar with the area, who trapped 604 00:31:03,233 --> 00:31:07,000 by Amtrak now got off at a station that is unstaffed 605 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,333 and is trying to find their connecting route, trying 606 00:31:11,333 --> 00:31:13,500 to find their inner city shuttle bus 607 00:31:13,634 --> 00:31:15,000 to connect to State College. 608 00:31:15,734 --> 00:31:19,133 So Lewistown is not a staff station. 609 00:31:20,066 --> 00:31:22,033 So based on advice 610 00:31:22,266 --> 00:31:27,066 provided by AM Amtrak, they recommended we expand study area 611 00:31:27,166 --> 00:31:30,467 to Altoona and Harrisburg, mainly due to the fact 612 00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:32,133 that they are staff stations 613 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:36,700 and if a vulnerable traveler would get off the, 614 00:31:37,667 --> 00:31:41,266 at an Amtrak station and need assistance with luggage 615 00:31:41,634 --> 00:31:46,033 or just in general questions about connecting to their final 616 00:31:46,233 --> 00:31:48,100 or next destination, having 617 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:51,000 that staffed individual at the station is a lot more 618 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,734 beneficial than ultimately dropping them 619 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,100 and no one there to assist them. 620 00:31:56,834 --> 00:32:01,066 - Yeah, Greg, clarification on that or Yeah, 621 00:32:01,266 --> 00:32:02,767 - I do want to say that the other point 622 00:32:02,767 --> 00:32:04,033 that we considered particularly 623 00:32:04,033 --> 00:32:07,734 with Harrisburg is just the volume of Amtrak service, 624 00:32:07,734 --> 00:32:10,533 particularly to the east that you're able to hook into. 625 00:32:10,667 --> 00:32:13,500 So we thought that would probably be a, a better 626 00:32:14,066 --> 00:32:16,734 examination than for example, Lewistown. 627 00:32:18,133 --> 00:32:19,467 - Okay. Ben 628 00:32:19,467 --> 00:32:21,734 and Greg, thank, thank you for that clarification. 629 00:32:21,867 --> 00:32:25,300 I'm looking to the room questions on what we've seen so far. 630 00:32:25,834 --> 00:32:28,100 Comments also looking online. 631 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:30,867 Frank did you have something? Yeah, 632 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,634 - I, I just kind of disagree. 633 00:32:32,867 --> 00:32:37,066 I I think that first off, it seems to me 634 00:32:37,066 --> 00:32:40,467 that this study's done based on Penn State football. 635 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:44,533 I mean that's what you're saying, you know, I will be, 636 00:32:45,066 --> 00:32:48,133 next Tuesday, I'll be down at the Lewistown station 637 00:32:49,066 --> 00:32:50,700 dropping somebody that's going to Dallas, 638 00:32:51,166 --> 00:32:52,533 picking the train up there 639 00:32:53,166 --> 00:32:55,133 and there will be a lot of people getting on 640 00:32:55,333 --> 00:32:57,000 and a lot of people getting off. 641 00:32:57,834 --> 00:33:00,266 People were already going to Lewistown to, 642 00:33:00,266 --> 00:33:02,500 to pick the train up to go east and west. 643 00:33:04,133 --> 00:33:06,934 Has anybody talked to the Lewistown Travel Bureau? 644 00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:11,033 You're basically giving an, there's an opportunity here for, 645 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,100 for revenue. 646 00:33:12,567 --> 00:33:14,000 There's an opportunity for, 647 00:33:14,233 --> 00:33:16,834 for business escalation in an area. 648 00:33:17,333 --> 00:33:20,300 You know, has anybody talked to Lewistown, 649 00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:21,500 the travel agent down there 650 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,033 and say, Hey, would you guys be 651 00:33:23,033 --> 00:33:24,100 interested in looking at this? 652 00:33:25,233 --> 00:33:28,500 You know, I Amtrak sure that they wanted to go 653 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:30,233 to their stations, absolutely, 654 00:33:30,634 --> 00:33:33,367 but that Lewistown station could be, could be upgraded 655 00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:35,634 and it could have people there, but, 656 00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:38,100 but you know, Amtrak doesn't wanna put people there, 657 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:39,300 there are people there right now. 658 00:33:39,367 --> 00:33:40,533 They're all volunteers. 659 00:33:41,734 --> 00:33:44,066 So I, I just think you, you're, you're, 660 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:46,133 you're setting this up for football weekends 661 00:33:46,266 --> 00:33:49,333 and you know, you're not looking at at the whole picture 662 00:33:50,367 --> 00:33:51,767 and, and I think Tyrone 663 00:33:51,767 --> 00:33:54,734 and Lewistown for this area, who wants to get on a bus 664 00:33:54,734 --> 00:33:57,634 and ride an hour and a half, you know, to go 665 00:33:57,634 --> 00:34:00,300 to catch a train when you can do it in like 25 minutes. 666 00:34:01,033 --> 00:34:03,367 Why, why would you go an hour and a half on a, on a bus? 667 00:34:04,066 --> 00:34:05,266 So I, I just think that, 668 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,133 I think ignoring those two locations is a mistake. 669 00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:10,834 - Okay. We gotta comment. 670 00:34:11,033 --> 00:34:14,233 Hang on Jeremy, which, which we will note 671 00:34:14,467 --> 00:34:17,467 and then I don't know if Ben or Toby 672 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,066 or Peyton can answer the question on any level 673 00:34:22,066 --> 00:34:25,834 of engagement from the Lewistown business community. 674 00:34:26,233 --> 00:34:27,700 Was that any of that part of the study? 675 00:34:31,333 --> 00:34:35,133 - No, the, we did not involve the Lewistown business 676 00:34:35,133 --> 00:34:39,133 community as part of this feasibility study. 677 00:34:40,133 --> 00:34:42,634 - Okay. Jeremy? - Yeah. Well 678 00:34:43,066 --> 00:34:44,700 - Why it have been rather supportive 679 00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:46,133 of like Lewistown or Tyrone? 680 00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:48,634 I, my preference would be to get 681 00:34:48,634 --> 00:34:50,567 to the nearest train station instead 682 00:34:50,567 --> 00:34:52,033 of staying on the road a little bit longer. 683 00:34:52,233 --> 00:34:56,367 But I have found benefits of traveling out of Harrisburg 684 00:34:56,367 --> 00:34:59,367 and Middletown because there are more trains. 685 00:34:59,367 --> 00:35:04,100 But also if you did have an unforeseen incident 686 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:05,333 where service may be canceled 687 00:35:05,367 --> 00:35:10,100 or sus suspended either in Altoona 688 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:13,934 or Harrisburg, there's at least possibly, especially more 689 00:35:13,934 --> 00:35:17,634 so Harrisburg for additional options to work out the travel 690 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,734 or at least enough accommodations that somebody could even, 691 00:35:21,634 --> 00:35:24,066 you know, find, find a place relatively easy 692 00:35:24,066 --> 00:35:27,734 to stay the night and resume their travel the next day 693 00:35:27,734 --> 00:35:29,834 versus in like Tyrone 694 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,233 or Lewistown where lodging options 695 00:35:33,333 --> 00:35:37,300 and sometimes other transit options are a lot more limited. 696 00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,700 So. Okay. 697 00:35:39,767 --> 00:35:41,500 Just my take on the perspective 698 00:35:41,667 --> 00:35:44,000 and under understanding where, you know, 699 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:45,567 the experts were coming from. 700 00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:47,133 - Yeah, Joanne, 701 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,367 - I am pretty much agreeing with what Jeremy said, 702 00:35:52,133 --> 00:35:56,000 but going to Al to Tyrone 703 00:35:56,133 --> 00:35:59,500 or to Lewistown is good if you're just doing day trips. 704 00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:02,066 If you're going further, like the example 705 00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:06,634 that you gave going to Dallas, neither of those stations 706 00:36:07,567 --> 00:36:11,834 has, you can't put your extra baggage in a baggage cart. 707 00:36:12,133 --> 00:36:16,734 You can in Harrisburg and you cannan Altoona. Yep. 708 00:36:16,734 --> 00:36:19,567 So when I use Amtrak, 709 00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,300 if I just doing a day day trip, I go to Lewistown, 710 00:36:24,033 --> 00:36:26,033 but if I've got a longer distance, 711 00:36:26,033 --> 00:36:29,066 like I will be doing in November for a two week trip 712 00:36:29,133 --> 00:36:33,934 to Texas, I need that baggage handling service, 713 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,767 which means a staff station 714 00:36:36,233 --> 00:36:40,066 and that would be Altoona or Harrisburg. 715 00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:43,100 And in that case I wouldn't mind taking the bus, 716 00:36:43,133 --> 00:36:48,100 although I hate buses, but I would prefer doing 717 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:53,033 that over having to try to schlep three suitcases 718 00:36:53,734 --> 00:36:55,100 into a coach car. 719 00:36:56,667 --> 00:37:00,533 - Okay. Again, this is the draft of the final report. 720 00:37:00,734 --> 00:37:03,700 We're not writing the report, we've hired the consultants 721 00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:06,634 to do it, but obviously comments are welcome 722 00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:10,500 and I think the discussion about the comments is healthy. 723 00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:14,033 So other questions or comments 724 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:16,333 before we move to the next section? 725 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,500 No. Okay, Ben, go ahead. 726 00:37:20,667 --> 00:37:23,867 - Great, thank you and I appreciate the discussion. 727 00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:26,066 So moving on here. Our public 728 00:37:26,467 --> 00:37:29,300 and stakeholder engagement was really a 729 00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:30,500 core part of the study. 730 00:37:31,266 --> 00:37:34,300 Public engagement efforts included the public survey 731 00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:37,767 stakeholder interviews a public open house 732 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,767 and then also involved was we developed a project steering 733 00:37:41,767 --> 00:37:44,500 committee that meant four times throughout the process. 734 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,000 I also mentioned the 30 day Public Comment 735 00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:52,266 and review period that was open during, in the middle 736 00:37:52,433 --> 00:37:54,300 of when the public open house was held. 737 00:37:55,066 --> 00:37:58,266 So really these activities helped us understand the travel 738 00:37:58,634 --> 00:38:02,066 references reality of how individuals travel 739 00:38:02,433 --> 00:38:05,100 and the level of support for each alternative. 740 00:38:08,934 --> 00:38:10,500 So very early on in the study process, 741 00:38:12,133 --> 00:38:14,066 Centre County MPO learned 742 00:38:14,133 --> 00:38:17,634 that a graduate student at Penn State University was 743 00:38:17,867 --> 00:38:20,033 actually conducting a very similar study 744 00:38:20,634 --> 00:38:23,100 to passenger rail in Centre County. 745 00:38:24,667 --> 00:38:26,567 So to reduce duplication efforts, 746 00:38:27,734 --> 00:38:29,333 the Centre County NPO partnered 747 00:38:29,333 --> 00:38:31,333 with Penn State on a public survey, 748 00:38:32,533 --> 00:38:37,000 which was a very unique opportunity which allowed kinda 749 00:38:37,467 --> 00:38:39,767 a great collaboration between the university 750 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:43,333 and the community and then also the NPO. 751 00:38:43,634 --> 00:38:47,367 So the public survey was open from February 4th 752 00:38:47,433 --> 00:38:48,734 through March 16th 753 00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:54,533 and we received a little over 1300 total survey responses. 754 00:38:55,634 --> 00:38:58,333 So like I mentioned, while survey was run through Penn State 755 00:38:59,133 --> 00:39:02,000 Credit to the Centre County MTO staff 756 00:39:02,467 --> 00:39:06,033 who completed their own extensive promotion of the survey 757 00:39:06,734 --> 00:39:10,000 to ensure awareness was made across the entire county 758 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:11,700 and all residents 759 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:14,533 and individuals within the county were made aware of 760 00:39:15,667 --> 00:39:18,300 the public survey and this ongoing study effort 761 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:22,000 that was related to the Study. 762 00:39:22,033 --> 00:39:24,133 So next slide. Sorry about that Greg. 763 00:39:26,433 --> 00:39:30,300 So these next couple slides here are just an overview on 764 00:39:31,133 --> 00:39:34,567 some of the responses we received through the public survey. 765 00:39:35,233 --> 00:39:36,834 So this just provides an overview 766 00:39:37,066 --> 00:39:38,500 of the respondent location. 767 00:39:39,934 --> 00:39:42,567 As you can see, responses really came from across Centre 768 00:39:42,567 --> 00:39:43,700 County as a whole. 769 00:39:44,133 --> 00:39:47,033 What the largest number is being focused in State College 770 00:39:47,333 --> 00:39:51,467 Borough Ferguson Township, Township and College Township. 771 00:39:52,533 --> 00:39:54,367 It's important, the geographic pattern, 772 00:39:54,667 --> 00:39:55,934 it's really important to hear 773 00:39:57,033 --> 00:40:00,567 that the interest was not just limited to one municipality 774 00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:04,567 or the university at the same time, concentration 775 00:40:04,567 --> 00:40:08,033 with this in the Centre County region should be considered 776 00:40:08,266 --> 00:40:09,500 with the overall results. 777 00:40:09,734 --> 00:40:11,867 So there was a widespread 778 00:40:12,133 --> 00:40:14,533 of survey results from across the county, 779 00:40:15,033 --> 00:40:18,867 which was extremely beneficial and credit to the MPO staff. 780 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,300 So within the study or within the survey, 781 00:40:24,367 --> 00:40:27,834 respondents had the opportunity to select kind 782 00:40:27,834 --> 00:40:29,934 of four preferred destinations. 783 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,934 So those included New York City, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, 784 00:40:33,033 --> 00:40:34,634 and New York, New Jersey. 785 00:40:35,934 --> 00:40:40,033 In addition, respondents could select their other option, 786 00:40:40,033 --> 00:40:43,033 which was kind of out of those four options, 787 00:40:43,033 --> 00:40:45,533 maybe there were other areas that they wanted to travel. 788 00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:48,066 As you can see, New York City 789 00:40:48,066 --> 00:40:50,634 and Philadelphia more the most frequently 790 00:40:51,133 --> 00:40:53,767 identified preferred destinations followed 791 00:40:53,834 --> 00:40:56,333 by Washington DC Pittsburgh and Harrisburg. 792 00:40:57,734 --> 00:41:00,300 This show shows it's a very strong connection along the 793 00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:04,000 northeast corridor and other major regional destination. 794 00:41:05,467 --> 00:41:10,066 It also reinforces the importance of reliable transfers 795 00:41:10,467 --> 00:41:13,500 and schedules because several of the leading destinations 796 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,133 that are towards the top of the list, 797 00:41:16,266 --> 00:41:19,133 you cannot reach directly from Centre County. 798 00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:22,700 You would have to connect in to one of the 799 00:41:23,233 --> 00:41:27,634 ed stations in order to reach a destination. 800 00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:34,000 So again, it's part of the survey. 801 00:41:35,133 --> 00:41:38,734 Individuals were able to kind of build their own selection 802 00:41:39,367 --> 00:41:42,700 by making trade-offs, whether it's from the fair, fair, 803 00:41:42,867 --> 00:41:45,533 so the cost, the service type that they would prefer, 804 00:41:45,667 --> 00:41:50,066 the frequency, how they would get to a station along 805 00:41:50,066 --> 00:41:51,467 with the departure times. 806 00:41:52,433 --> 00:41:55,066 The purpose was to really move from that simple statement 807 00:41:55,066 --> 00:41:59,300 of support and identify which surface characteristics were 808 00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:02,000 most meaningful for individuals. 809 00:42:02,634 --> 00:42:05,133 So looking at it, the average price chosen 810 00:42:05,333 --> 00:42:08,033 by survey respondents was $114. 811 00:42:10,367 --> 00:42:12,467 The top service types, so they could choose here 812 00:42:12,467 --> 00:42:14,934 between high speed rail or regular rail. 813 00:42:15,934 --> 00:42:17,834 63% selected regular 814 00:42:18,834 --> 00:42:21,066 and depart departure frequencies 815 00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:24,500 that was most common was three times per day. 816 00:42:27,033 --> 00:42:29,467 One of the other questions was allowing individuals 817 00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:32,100 to really say, well how are you gonna get to it from 818 00:42:33,066 --> 00:42:34,266 the station? 819 00:42:34,867 --> 00:42:35,867 It was either drive 820 00:42:36,266 --> 00:42:39,100 or be dropped off by friend family member, 821 00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:42,567 which may also include Uber or Lyft 822 00:42:43,033 --> 00:42:47,500 or if there was a shuttle option, would you take the show 823 00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:50,934 again, very close but 54% mentioned. 824 00:42:51,233 --> 00:42:53,533 But they would prefer to be to drive themselves 825 00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,233 or be dropped off at the station. 826 00:42:56,500 --> 00:43:00,834 And then 65% preferred three daily departures. 827 00:43:04,166 --> 00:43:05,533 So I will pause there. 828 00:43:06,166 --> 00:43:08,567 That covers kind of the high level overview 829 00:43:09,066 --> 00:43:10,100 of the public survey. 830 00:43:11,033 --> 00:43:15,100 A full in-depth look at the survey results is included 831 00:43:15,233 --> 00:43:17,066 as an appendix within the report. 832 00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:19,100 But again, just really wanted 833 00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:22,100 to provide a high level overview of the, some 834 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,533 of the key questions that were included within the survey. 835 00:43:30,533 --> 00:43:33,667 - Is this our pause? - Yeah, we can, 836 00:43:33,867 --> 00:43:35,000 we can take any questions on the 837 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,233 survey, that would be a good spot. 838 00:43:36,266 --> 00:43:37,266 Now. 839 00:43:37,767 --> 00:43:41,767 - Questions, comments? Go Paul. 840 00:43:45,467 --> 00:43:47,867 - Ready? So - Hang, hang on Ben, 841 00:43:47,867 --> 00:43:49,433 hang on Ben, we go. Paul, I 842 00:43:49,433 --> 00:43:51,033 - Just had a question online. 843 00:43:51,634 --> 00:43:53,000 Yeah, thanks a lot for this Ben. 844 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,767 Of course I didn't get a chance to look 845 00:43:55,767 --> 00:43:59,000 through the appendix, but what was the option that most 846 00:43:59,033 --> 00:44:01,033 of the respondents wanted? 847 00:44:01,066 --> 00:44:02,767 Did they want like option three 848 00:44:02,834 --> 00:44:06,000 or four, the ones that were involving the rail service 849 00:44:06,266 --> 00:44:07,266 or what was the 850 00:44:09,667 --> 00:44:12,367 - So the public survey was actually, 851 00:44:13,567 --> 00:44:16,900 the public survey was completely different from the four 852 00:44:16,934 --> 00:44:19,000 alternatives that were developed. 853 00:44:19,734 --> 00:44:23,033 So the four alternatives were developed based on 854 00:44:23,734 --> 00:44:25,500 the feedback from the public survey 855 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,300 in the stakeholder interviews. 856 00:44:29,133 --> 00:44:31,533 So further down here in the presentation 857 00:44:32,467 --> 00:44:35,934 for the 30 day public review period, it actually, we 858 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000 provided individuals the opportunity to comment 859 00:44:38,266 --> 00:44:41,300 and share their preference on the four alternatives. 860 00:44:42,667 --> 00:44:44,233 And not to spoil it, 861 00:44:44,233 --> 00:44:47,767 but the preferred alternatives from the individuals were the 862 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,100 two rail options during the public 863 00:44:50,567 --> 00:44:52,100 or the 30 day public review period. 864 00:44:52,634 --> 00:44:53,700 Okay. Yeah, I guess that's 865 00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:55,634 what I was wondering about is both of that, that during 866 00:44:55,634 --> 00:44:57,033 that review period, because I remember the survey 867 00:44:57,266 --> 00:44:58,700 was passed around. 868 00:44:58,834 --> 00:45:00,634 Thanks a lot. Absolutely. 869 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,066 - Okay, Ben I think you're good to go. Jeremy, did you? 870 00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:09,567 Okay, hang on. Hang on Ben, one more, sorry. So, 871 00:45:10,233 --> 00:45:12,000 - So I'm kind of curious with the 872 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,734 O over 1300 survey respondents, just kind of how does 873 00:45:16,734 --> 00:45:20,266 that compare to other feedback engagement opportunities 874 00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:21,634 we've had through the COG 875 00:45:21,634 --> 00:45:25,066 or even the consultant may have experienced before 876 00:45:25,066 --> 00:45:27,734 because that, that is a pretty significant number. 877 00:45:28,934 --> 00:45:30,300 No worries if nobody has the answer. 878 00:45:30,367 --> 00:45:33,467 Just yeah, a point of curiosity. I think if 879 00:45:33,467 --> 00:45:36,100 - You look at other supplemental planning studies 880 00:45:36,266 --> 00:45:38,934 that we've done, I would absolutely say 881 00:45:38,934 --> 00:45:40,734 that's a significant number. Okay. 882 00:45:41,333 --> 00:45:43,767 - To, to follow up on that, this is as good a time 883 00:45:43,767 --> 00:45:45,033 as any to bring this up. 884 00:45:45,033 --> 00:45:47,467 This is the most comprehensive 885 00:45:48,133 --> 00:45:51,066 and broad based study that's been done 886 00:45:52,066 --> 00:45:53,367 as long as I've been around. 887 00:45:54,266 --> 00:45:55,734 I mean, just look at the five 888 00:45:56,233 --> 00:45:57,300 entities that were at the table. 889 00:45:57,834 --> 00:46:00,233 I'm not sure that previous studies have had all five 890 00:46:00,233 --> 00:46:01,333 of those at the table. 891 00:46:02,867 --> 00:46:04,533 I can't say for certain, 892 00:46:04,667 --> 00:46:07,467 but I would say I'm 99% sure that 893 00:46:07,467 --> 00:46:08,867 that has not happened before. 894 00:46:09,867 --> 00:46:13,000 - Frank. Yeah, I I it may be comprehensive, 895 00:46:13,166 --> 00:46:14,700 but I, I'm sitting here 896 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,567 and you just said 54% 897 00:46:19,233 --> 00:46:22,000 of the people you surveyed want to drive there 898 00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:23,033 or get dropped off 899 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,233 and 48% would like some kind of shuttle service. 900 00:46:27,634 --> 00:46:29,367 So we're, we're putting all this together 901 00:46:29,467 --> 00:46:31,000 to based on half the people 902 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,834 that are gonna use the service, less than half. 903 00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:37,033 I mean I, I I disagree with the results and, 904 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,066 and how you, you came about all this. 905 00:46:39,033 --> 00:46:41,467 You, you basically said here's what we want to give you 906 00:46:41,467 --> 00:46:42,634 and which one do you like? 907 00:46:42,867 --> 00:46:44,467 I mean, I still think that, 908 00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:47,100 I still think you should look at other alternatives. 909 00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,100 I I think those two stations are still viable. 910 00:46:51,266 --> 00:46:54,233 - Well keep in mind Frank, that it'll be up to us 911 00:46:54,567 --> 00:46:55,767 to determine how to use this 912 00:46:55,767 --> 00:46:58,000 information and how to move forward. Well 913 00:46:58,033 --> 00:46:59,033 - I understand that. 914 00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:00,066 Okay. 915 00:47:00,467 --> 00:47:04,533 - And just one last thing from this section, going back to 916 00:47:04,533 --> 00:47:07,033 that slide that Mr. Hardin was mentioning about, 917 00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:11,333 I think it was like six 60 some percent we're preferring 918 00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:12,634 like three trips a day. 919 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,700 I think that's a pretty good number just considering 920 00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:17,767 that we are within a month 921 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,767 or two of a second daily round trip through the state just 922 00:47:21,767 --> 00:47:26,133 to show there is pent up demand for having more options. 923 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:30,533 So that's a pretty good number to go off of. 924 00:47:31,166 --> 00:47:33,867 - Okay. We've given Amber enough time to come up 925 00:47:33,867 --> 00:47:34,867 with a question or comment. 926 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,333 - So this is partly in response, this is partly in response 927 00:47:40,333 --> 00:47:43,467 to Frank's concern about like why would we not 928 00:47:43,734 --> 00:47:45,233 use Lewistown? 929 00:47:45,834 --> 00:47:48,000 And as someone who responded to the survey 930 00:47:48,133 --> 00:47:52,533 and going through it, I would've expressed my preference 931 00:47:52,533 --> 00:47:55,533 for Harrisburg because there's a train from Harrisburg 932 00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:59,333 to Philly and then onto New York like every hour, 933 00:47:59,533 --> 00:48:01,634 just about all day long from early in the morning 934 00:48:01,667 --> 00:48:03,133 until well into the evening. 935 00:48:03,333 --> 00:48:05,333 So if I'm planning a trip 936 00:48:05,567 --> 00:48:09,133 and I can't meet the timetable of the Lewistown train, 937 00:48:09,133 --> 00:48:12,233 which is once a day versus like once an hour, 938 00:48:13,233 --> 00:48:17,300 that's why we are always going to Harrisburg for the train. 939 00:48:17,467 --> 00:48:19,333 So, and which we do on a very regular basis. 940 00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,934 So I think that's kind of the issue with, with Lewistown is 941 00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:25,500 one train a day versus one train an hour. 942 00:48:26,066 --> 00:48:27,867 So hopefully maybe that helps. 943 00:48:29,333 --> 00:48:31,266 - Okay, thanks Amber. 944 00:48:31,567 --> 00:48:35,934 And before I turn it back over to Ben, I just want 945 00:48:35,934 --> 00:48:39,033 to correct myself what we do 946 00:48:39,033 --> 00:48:41,033 with this information's really not up to us. 947 00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:45,533 The MPOI just wanna make sure that everybody understands 948 00:48:45,533 --> 00:48:48,934 that when I say us, I mean the community in, 949 00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:51,867 in in particular those five entities 950 00:48:52,033 --> 00:48:55,133 and whatever comes from the community that wants 951 00:48:55,133 --> 00:48:57,300 to keep moving forward with one of those options. 952 00:48:57,467 --> 00:49:01,033 So, or multiple options. Okay. 953 00:49:01,066 --> 00:49:05,333 Ben, we, what's that? Frank? 954 00:49:06,166 --> 00:49:08,000 - The royal we I think is what he 955 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,000 - Said. 956 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,066 Yes. Yes. Thank you again. Alright Ben. 957 00:49:13,767 --> 00:49:15,533 - Alrighty. Thank you. So moving on here 958 00:49:15,567 --> 00:49:17,233 to our stakeholder interviews. 959 00:49:17,867 --> 00:49:21,066 This was a very essential part of the planning process. 960 00:49:22,233 --> 00:49:26,266 We really picked these five organizations as we thought 961 00:49:26,266 --> 00:49:28,233 that they were important to advancing one 962 00:49:28,233 --> 00:49:30,100 or more of the alternatives. 963 00:49:30,734 --> 00:49:34,033 As you can see this involved trans providers PennDOT the 964 00:49:34,033 --> 00:49:37,233 seat of call joint rail authority and Amtrak. 965 00:49:39,433 --> 00:49:43,533 So some of the common themes that we heard during 966 00:49:44,266 --> 00:49:48,333 our stakeholder interview views were stakeholders 967 00:49:49,033 --> 00:49:51,367 recognized the demand for inner city bus access. 968 00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:55,100 Amtrak, as I mentioned, advised for 969 00:49:56,734 --> 00:49:59,533 taking people to the, from those bus connections 970 00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:02,567 to staff stations, Altoona 971 00:50:02,567 --> 00:50:06,033 and Harrisburg ridership for those longer trips would peak 972 00:50:06,033 --> 00:50:08,734 around the breaks at Penn State in the end of the semester. 973 00:50:09,233 --> 00:50:12,100 And then the service competitiveness is 974 00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:13,767 very critical for this process. 975 00:50:19,934 --> 00:50:22,133 Moving on to our public comments. 976 00:50:22,467 --> 00:50:24,066 So in addition, 977 00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:26,634 we had a 30 day Public Comment review period, 978 00:50:27,433 --> 00:50:30,300 which was available to the public from July 17th 979 00:50:30,533 --> 00:50:32,066 through August 17th. 980 00:50:33,133 --> 00:50:36,533 We received 245 responses from the 981 00:50:36,834 --> 00:50:38,333 online Microsoft form. 982 00:50:39,433 --> 00:50:42,233 In addition, we received 24 written comments 983 00:50:43,066 --> 00:50:44,767 through email from residents. 984 00:50:45,333 --> 00:50:48,634 So these next couple slides just summarize the ratings 985 00:50:48,634 --> 00:50:50,934 and the recurring themes for each alternative. 986 00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:55,000 And it shows the relative support along 987 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,567 with the written feedback that was 988 00:50:56,867 --> 00:51:01,000 provided by individuals as they took the Microsoft form 989 00:51:01,433 --> 00:51:03,033 during the Public Comment. 990 00:51:04,333 --> 00:51:07,734 So the dedicated shuttle bus alternative received an average 991 00:51:07,834 --> 00:51:11,000 rating of 3.51 out of five 992 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,867 feedback showed there was conditional support. 993 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:17,066 Many respondents saw value in near term connection 994 00:51:17,433 --> 00:51:19,033 to existing Amtrak service, 995 00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:23,000 but really preferred a shuttle be framed 996 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,033 as a one step within a broader passenger rail strategy. 997 00:51:27,133 --> 00:51:28,233 The recurring message was 998 00:51:28,233 --> 00:51:30,533 that a bus connection could improve mobility in the near 999 00:51:30,533 --> 00:51:34,266 term, but it should not replace continued consideration 1000 00:51:34,333 --> 00:51:36,533 of passenger rail for Centre County. 1001 00:51:42,667 --> 00:51:47,100 The expansion of inner city bus service received the 3.55 1002 00:51:47,433 --> 00:51:50,634 out of five respondents cited improved connectivity 1003 00:51:50,634 --> 00:51:52,300 between Centre County and Harrisburg 1004 00:51:52,634 --> 00:51:57,066 and better access to Amtrak stations, airports, employment, 1005 00:51:57,066 --> 00:51:59,734 medical services, and other key destinations. 1006 00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:02,266 It was generally viewed as more affordable 1007 00:52:02,333 --> 00:52:04,266 and achievable in the near term 1008 00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:05,934 and the two rail alternatives. 1009 00:52:05,934 --> 00:52:08,634 However, again, many respondents still considered it 1010 00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:12,300 as a secondary option rather than the community's preferred 1011 00:52:12,433 --> 00:52:14,300 long term outcome of rail. 1012 00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:20,867 So short line rail service, as you can see, 1013 00:52:20,867 --> 00:52:22,834 the average rating has spiked now 1014 00:52:22,934 --> 00:52:27,000 to 4.44 indicating very strong support. 1015 00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,467 Respondents viewed it as a potential balance 1016 00:52:29,567 --> 00:52:31,033 among practicality costs. 1017 00:52:31,367 --> 00:52:35,100 Long-term transportation benefit emphasized the value 1018 00:52:35,066 --> 00:52:37,934 of connecting Beon State College, Tyrone 1019 00:52:38,033 --> 00:52:40,066 and the surrounding communities along 1020 00:52:40,066 --> 00:52:42,567 with potential economic development benefits 1021 00:52:43,066 --> 00:52:44,266 at certain communities. 1022 00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:47,100 And the main concern was whether the capital 1023 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,100 and operating costs could be justified 1024 00:52:49,467 --> 00:52:52,734 by expected RI ridership and broad benefits. 1025 00:52:52,767 --> 00:52:56,500 So while it received significant support, there was also 1026 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:02,000 a number of comments raised about if the cost 1027 00:53:02,433 --> 00:53:04,934 construction operating costs could be justified. 1028 00:53:08,367 --> 00:53:13,100 So our direct passenger a again received a rating of 4.44 1029 00:53:13,133 --> 00:53:15,867 and had the greatest number of level five ratings. 1030 00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:19,900 Among the four alternative response describe 1031 00:53:20,066 --> 00:53:23,133 as potentially transformative for regional mobility 1032 00:53:23,533 --> 00:53:26,634 and frequently identified Penn State move in weekends 1033 00:53:26,634 --> 00:53:29,467 graduation and game days as major use cases. 1034 00:53:30,166 --> 00:53:32,634 Principal concern again was, was the cost 1035 00:53:32,634 --> 00:53:34,467 of constructing necessary infrastructure 1036 00:53:35,066 --> 00:53:37,000 and weather rhino ship would be sufficient 1037 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,934 to justify that investment. 1038 00:53:39,433 --> 00:53:42,133 Again, the results showed strong public preference 1039 00:53:42,634 --> 00:53:45,100 for the two rail options, specifically 1040 00:53:45,734 --> 00:53:47,100 direct passenger rail, 1041 00:53:47,367 --> 00:53:50,467 but it does not by itself resolve feasibility funding 1042 00:53:51,133 --> 00:53:52,734 or implementation questions. 1043 00:53:55,867 --> 00:53:59,066 As I mentioned, we also received written comments 1044 00:53:59,734 --> 00:54:03,000 and they again reinforce the phase strategy. 1045 00:54:03,533 --> 00:54:07,333 Many participants supported improving bus access in the near 1046 00:54:07,333 --> 00:54:11,000 term while continuing to look at that long term 1047 00:54:12,767 --> 00:54:15,433 rail connection providing service to Centre County. 1048 00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:20,500 Some of the other comments here, again that phased approach, 1049 00:54:21,734 --> 00:54:25,033 looking at the value of the State College or Beon station 1050 00:54:25,233 --> 00:54:26,433 and the potential benefits 1051 00:54:26,467 --> 00:54:28,567 of Penn State residents and visitors. 1052 00:54:34,033 --> 00:54:36,767 So I will pause there that kind 1053 00:54:36,767 --> 00:54:39,100 of highlights our public review period. 1054 00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:44,066 Happy to take any questions that we received 1055 00:54:44,066 --> 00:54:46,500 and again, this is just a very high level summary 1056 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,266 of the responses that we we received. 1057 00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:56,033 We have a full in depth analysis from the Microsoft form 1058 00:54:56,033 --> 00:54:58,133 that includes each individual 1059 00:54:58,634 --> 00:55:00,667 response from respondents throughout 1060 00:55:00,667 --> 00:55:01,767 the 30 day Public Comment. 1061 00:55:03,634 --> 00:55:07,066 - Okay. It's pause time, questions, comments, 1062 00:55:09,033 --> 00:55:11,567 and that particular section is what it is. 1063 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,533 So, okay Ben? Sure. Oh Greg, 1064 00:55:16,033 --> 00:55:18,266 - Just one point of clarification. 1065 00:55:18,367 --> 00:55:21,867 You know, for as much of a range of stakeholder interviews 1066 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,900 as we conducted, it's probably worth noting that we, 1067 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,500 we wanted to do even more. 1068 00:55:27,433 --> 00:55:30,133 Unfortunately we were unsuccessful in bringing 1069 00:55:30,934 --> 00:55:32,667 like a federal rail administration 1070 00:55:33,033 --> 00:55:36,166 or a representative from Greyhound to the table. 1071 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,634 Fullington because they're a more local company, 1072 00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:41,900 probably a lot easier to get an audience with them. 1073 00:55:42,667 --> 00:55:45,834 But discussions that unfortunately we weren't able to have, 1074 00:55:46,634 --> 00:55:49,266 but there's still value in having probably going forward. 1075 00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:53,867 - Okay, Ben, back to you. 1076 00:55:55,634 --> 00:55:56,734 - Alrighty, we're coming down here 1077 00:55:56,867 --> 00:55:58,133 to the end of the presentation. 1078 00:55:58,433 --> 00:56:01,567 So the, as I mentioned, we held a public open house 1079 00:56:02,333 --> 00:56:05,367 on August 4th that was broken out into two sessions, 1080 00:56:05,634 --> 00:56:08,000 an afternoon session and then an evening session. 1081 00:56:08,467 --> 00:56:11,700 In total we had about 25 attendees 1082 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,000 and again, there was significant support 1083 00:56:15,133 --> 00:56:19,033 and preference for both Rail alternatives support 1084 00:56:19,033 --> 00:56:21,033 for looking beyond the Tyrone Lewistown 1085 00:56:21,867 --> 00:56:23,333 to Harrisburg and beyond. 1086 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,333 The NI Mall was brought up as a potential desire 1087 00:56:27,333 --> 00:56:28,533 of station location 1088 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,066 and one of the big things in the open house was 1089 00:56:34,867 --> 00:56:37,000 residents were curious to know a clear sense of 1090 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,033 what party's decisions 1091 00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:41,734 and actions would be necessary to advance one 1092 00:56:41,767 --> 00:56:42,867 or more of these options. 1093 00:56:44,333 --> 00:56:47,467 An interesting thing we walked out of the, the meeting room 1094 00:56:47,467 --> 00:56:51,066 that night and there was a group of individuals who actually 1095 00:56:51,667 --> 00:56:54,333 were setting up a group text to 1096 00:56:54,767 --> 00:56:56,033 that were extremely interested 1097 00:56:56,233 --> 00:56:59,567 and wanted to be involved with potential passenger rail 1098 00:56:59,667 --> 00:57:01,100 and they were setting up a group text 1099 00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:02,100 and were interested to see 1100 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,000 how they could advance this forward. 1101 00:57:04,266 --> 00:57:07,634 So that was definitely something different from my end 1102 00:57:07,634 --> 00:57:09,100 that you don't see too often 1103 00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:10,934 after a public, public open house. 1104 00:57:10,934 --> 00:57:13,934 But at the same time it's very unique and cool to see. 1105 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,133 So during the September 9th meeting, 1106 00:57:20,767 --> 00:57:23,033 the technical committee did recommend acceptance 1107 00:57:23,033 --> 00:57:26,266 of the study and I guess 1108 00:57:26,667 --> 00:57:28,266 that concludes the presentation. 1109 00:57:29,066 --> 00:57:31,166 Again, I know we kind of paused for questions, 1110 00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:34,033 comments throughout, but if there are any outlying 1111 00:57:34,266 --> 00:57:35,567 questions, comments, Toby 1112 00:57:35,567 --> 00:57:38,734 and I are available here to kind of answer any questions 1113 00:57:38,734 --> 00:57:40,500 or provide clarification on anything. 1114 00:57:40,767 --> 00:57:42,834 I just wanna thank you for, for your time tonight. 1115 00:57:44,133 --> 00:57:45,266 - Alright Ben, thanks. 1116 00:57:45,734 --> 00:57:47,066 Before I open it up for comments 1117 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,166 or questions, I will note that based on your comment 1118 00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:55,033 that the action you saw at the end of your public open house 1119 00:57:56,066 --> 00:58:00,500 makes me feel pretty good about the, the subject choice 1120 00:58:00,634 --> 00:58:03,033 for the supplemental planning fund study. 1121 00:58:04,133 --> 00:58:08,900 Obviously we chose something that has, yeah, 1122 00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:12,100 that, that people are interested in and passionate about. 1123 00:58:12,533 --> 00:58:15,433 So with that, I'm looking in the room first 1124 00:58:15,934 --> 00:58:19,367 and I'll look for digital hands once we go through the room, 1125 00:58:21,233 --> 00:58:23,834 follow up comments, questions, let's go 1126 00:58:23,834 --> 00:58:25,066 with Heidi and then Jeremy. 1127 00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:27,734 - I get the sense that the rail options, 1128 00:58:27,734 --> 00:58:29,834 what everybody really wants, but I also get the sense 1129 00:58:29,834 --> 00:58:31,500 that people think that's just a pipe dream. 1130 00:58:31,734 --> 00:58:34,433 Is, is that fair 1131 00:58:34,867 --> 00:58:36,033 - That that, that it's what 1132 00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:38,066 - That that, that everyone would love 1133 00:58:38,066 --> 00:58:40,100 to have the rail come directly to State College 1134 00:58:40,734 --> 00:58:43,033 or the Centre Region, you know, more closer, 1135 00:58:43,166 --> 00:58:44,667 but that, that is never gonna happen. 1136 00:58:46,133 --> 00:58:49,533 - Let me add to that 'cause I think we could merge two 1137 00:58:49,767 --> 00:58:50,834 questions here together. 1138 00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:54,066 Maybe this would be for staff or, 1139 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,000 or Ben, maybe one of you 1140 00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:02,533 can offer just a little bit about what it would take 1141 00:59:03,634 --> 00:59:05,533 to get, what would we say, a six car 1142 00:59:05,667 --> 00:59:09,133 and track train beyond miles per, 1143 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,300 not cost wise, but just to give some context to 1144 00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:15,500 what it would require. 1145 00:59:15,867 --> 00:59:17,333 Did that come out in the tech committee meeting? 1146 00:59:18,634 --> 00:59:19,900 - It not specifically. 1147 00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:22,867 It was discussed a bit during the public open house. 1148 00:59:23,033 --> 00:59:25,000 - Okay. 'cause we're, we're constantly referring 1149 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,000 to infrastructure cost and that, 1150 00:59:27,133 --> 00:59:30,500 and it might be helpful just to know about, you know, 1151 00:59:30,767 --> 00:59:33,233 just in general what we're talking about. 1152 00:59:34,066 --> 00:59:36,266 Absolutely. Why you can't bring an Amtrak train into the 1153 00:59:36,266 --> 00:59:39,033 Nittany Mall on the existing track 1154 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,367 and what would be required. 1155 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,634 So now Greg or Jim or Ben? 1156 00:59:47,634 --> 00:59:50,100 - I, Toby I don't, I don't mean to put you on the spot, 1157 00:59:50,133 --> 00:59:52,433 Toby, but are you, did you wanna take this one? 1158 00:59:53,133 --> 00:59:54,734 Yeah, can you guys hear me okay? 1159 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,700 - Yep, yep. - Yeah, so 1160 00:59:58,567 --> 01:00:00,133 it would require significant, 1161 01:00:00,934 --> 01:00:03,000 pretty significant track upgrades. 1162 01:00:04,333 --> 01:00:08,333 The, you'd have to get a railroad agreement to be able 1163 01:00:08,333 --> 01:00:11,867 to operate a passenger rail there, require signal upgrades, 1164 01:00:13,734 --> 01:00:17,233 you'd have to construct stations that meet the Americans 1165 01:00:17,233 --> 01:00:20,000 with Disabilities Act with high level platforms 1166 01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,166 for the full length of the train. 1167 01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:24,700 So if you have a six car training, I've got a platform 1168 01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:28,033 that runs the full length of that training that, 1169 01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:29,700 that is level boarding. 1170 01:00:29,867 --> 01:00:32,166 They're, they're, the cars are high 1171 01:00:33,333 --> 01:00:35,367 if you're gonna operate Amtrak in there 1172 01:00:36,066 --> 01:00:37,467 and then there would be, 1173 01:00:37,734 --> 01:00:40,100 there would definitely be significant 1174 01:00:42,266 --> 01:00:44,266 operating costs associated with, 1175 01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:49,100 you know, paying Amtrak for, 1176 01:00:49,467 --> 01:00:50,934 for operating those trains as well. 1177 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,033 So it, it definitely isn't something that's a quick, 1178 01:00:55,567 --> 01:00:56,734 a quick process 1179 01:00:58,734 --> 01:01:00,934 and it would take, it would take a bit of a time 1180 01:01:01,133 --> 01:01:04,667 and a significant amount of money to be able to, 1181 01:01:05,033 --> 01:01:06,033 to be able to achieve that. 1182 01:01:06,233 --> 01:01:09,834 But you know, there's, there are rail projects 1183 01:01:09,867 --> 01:01:12,367 that people have as, as ideas 1184 01:01:12,834 --> 01:01:14,567 or things they want to do around the country 1185 01:01:15,266 --> 01:01:18,266 and there are, you know, various funding streams 1186 01:01:19,734 --> 01:01:23,066 that can be applied for to advance the phases 1187 01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:24,333 and move projects forward. 1188 01:01:24,533 --> 01:01:29,133 So the one, the one real advantage, 1189 01:01:29,233 --> 01:01:31,333 that gap here is a, a major 1190 01:01:34,266 --> 01:01:38,567 concentrated population in State College that 1191 01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:43,734 has, that there's demand for travel outside 1192 01:01:43,734 --> 01:01:45,100 of the State College area. 1193 01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:49,900 So I think there, there are definitely is opportunity 1194 01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:52,233 for inner city to explore inner city 1195 01:01:52,266 --> 01:01:53,500 passenger service there. 1196 01:01:55,367 --> 01:01:57,367 - Okay. Toby, just one quick follow up. 1197 01:01:57,367 --> 01:01:59,033 You're talking about what 1198 01:01:59,033 --> 01:02:03,767 beyond milberg, is that accurate? 1199 01:02:08,133 --> 01:02:09,634 - Do we, do we have a map, 1200 01:02:10,367 --> 01:02:11,934 - But I mean in in general or, 1201 01:02:11,934 --> 01:02:14,000 or is it further upstream than Milberg? 1202 01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:15,734 We're we're talking about those kind 1203 01:02:15,734 --> 01:02:17,066 of improvements made to track. 1204 01:02:17,433 --> 01:02:19,767 - Oh yeah, yeah. I mean there, there's, there's 1205 01:02:20,467 --> 01:02:22,767 there there's you, you have to, 1206 01:02:23,367 --> 01:02:26,033 so if you were gonna take this a step further, right now, 1207 01:02:26,066 --> 01:02:27,700 this was a conceptual study, 1208 01:02:28,166 --> 01:02:30,333 but if they're gonna take this a step further, you need 1209 01:02:30,333 --> 01:02:31,834 to really explore all, 1210 01:02:32,467 --> 01:02:35,000 what's gonna be the most viable rail alternative. 1211 01:02:35,567 --> 01:02:39,000 Whether even using existing, the existing 1212 01:02:40,367 --> 01:02:42,734 right of way is feasible or not, 1213 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,567 and you know how much cost you have in doing that. 1214 01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:52,700 And then where you'd want to have station locations so 1215 01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:54,834 that you could achieve the best ridership 1216 01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:56,500 and the best terminal in the investment. 1217 01:02:58,233 --> 01:03:00,900 - Okay. Did you have a follow up to that? Well, 1218 01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:02,667 - I'd love to hear a ballpark number, 1219 01:03:02,667 --> 01:03:03,767 but I don't think we're gonna get one. 1220 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,300 So, but, but it it expensive 1221 01:03:06,333 --> 01:03:08,934 and that's, it's just everybody wants it, 1222 01:03:08,934 --> 01:03:10,266 but it doesn't seem like it'll ever happen. 1223 01:03:10,333 --> 01:03:14,867 Is that, is that still we always hope for something 1224 01:03:14,934 --> 01:03:16,033 and we could pursue it. 1225 01:03:16,133 --> 01:03:18,500 - You're, you're so expensive, 1226 01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:21,033 you're probably talking hundreds of millions of dollars. 1227 01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:23,467 It's not in the tens of millions of dollars. 1228 01:03:23,734 --> 01:03:28,467 So this is this, this would not be an inexpensive venture 1229 01:03:28,634 --> 01:03:31,133 to, to, you know, move forward with. 1230 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,100 I can't say whether it's feasible or not feasible 1231 01:03:35,867 --> 01:03:38,000 because it really depends on political will 1232 01:03:38,133 --> 01:03:39,233 and willing to invest. 1233 01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:42,166 - Yeah. And and that's a bit outside the scope 1234 01:03:42,166 --> 01:03:47,066 of this study, so not, it's no matter, 1235 01:03:47,066 --> 01:03:50,133 even if there was money and enthusiasm, it takes some time. 1236 01:03:51,433 --> 01:03:54,033 Absolutely. Alright, go Paul and then we'll go with Joanne. 1237 01:03:56,834 --> 01:04:01,166 - Thanks. I was wondering like the, that short rail study 1238 01:04:02,033 --> 01:04:03,367 that looked like that was something 1239 01:04:03,367 --> 01:04:04,767 that was more feasible, right? 1240 01:04:04,934 --> 01:04:06,667 I mean, do you have a sense for how, 1241 01:04:08,834 --> 01:04:11,133 how much the cost overlay would be for that? 1242 01:04:11,166 --> 01:04:13,367 It sounds like that's significantly cheaper than 1243 01:04:14,133 --> 01:04:15,367 the passenger rail one. 1244 01:04:15,367 --> 01:04:16,667 It seemed more feasible, at least 1245 01:04:16,667 --> 01:04:19,033 that was the impression I got from looking at 1246 01:04:19,033 --> 01:04:20,700 the, the report. 1247 01:04:21,567 --> 01:04:22,567 Is that correct? 1248 01:04:23,433 --> 01:04:24,734 - You're talking about the alternative 1249 01:04:24,734 --> 01:04:25,900 where you run the rail shuttle. 1250 01:04:26,767 --> 01:04:27,934 - The rail shuttle, but 1251 01:04:27,934 --> 01:04:29,367 that still runs on rail tracks, right? 1252 01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:32,066 - Yeah, it's the same. So the, so a lot 1253 01:04:32,066 --> 01:04:34,467 of the same track upgrades would be necessary, 1254 01:04:35,266 --> 01:04:39,300 but you would probably end up with a different operator. 1255 01:04:40,367 --> 01:04:42,266 You wouldn't have to, you wouldn't have 1256 01:04:42,266 --> 01:04:44,033 to make it work for Amtrak. 1257 01:04:44,367 --> 01:04:45,500 The other big issue 1258 01:04:46,734 --> 01:04:48,133 or the big thought behind 1259 01:04:48,133 --> 01:04:53,033 that was if you use a diesel model, diesel model unit type 1260 01:04:53,033 --> 01:04:57,266 of vehicle, you can operate one unit, you can operate two, 1261 01:04:57,567 --> 01:04:59,133 there's self-propelled cars. 1262 01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:01,066 You don't have to have an engine in cars, you're, 1263 01:05:01,066 --> 01:05:02,734 you're operating a self-propelled car 1264 01:05:03,667 --> 01:05:08,367 and there are versions of the cars that have, 1265 01:05:09,033 --> 01:05:12,000 that could service low level platforms so you wouldn't have 1266 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,300 to build higher level platforms. 1267 01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:16,166 So there's, there's definitely cost advantages to it. 1268 01:05:17,634 --> 01:05:20,233 It would still, it would still require, you know, 1269 01:05:20,233 --> 01:05:23,033 a pretty significant amount of money, a big investment. 1270 01:05:24,133 --> 01:05:26,934 Plus you, you would, you would have equipment 1271 01:05:27,033 --> 01:05:30,834 and a different operator probably that would then need 1272 01:05:30,834 --> 01:05:32,300 to have a place to store 1273 01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:34,133 that equipment, maintain that equipment. 1274 01:05:34,333 --> 01:05:37,333 So it would add some other features that you wouldn't have 1275 01:05:37,333 --> 01:05:39,233 with the, with the Amtrak alternative. 1276 01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:41,266 Okay. But I mean it's not like, 1277 01:05:41,266 --> 01:05:44,533 say like if you said the passenger rail was hundreds 1278 01:05:44,533 --> 01:05:46,767 of million dollars, millions of dollars Yeah. 1279 01:05:46,767 --> 01:05:48,367 Something because tens of millions. 1280 01:05:48,934 --> 01:05:52,500 No, its, it's, it is, it's probably it, you know, 1281 01:05:54,734 --> 01:05:57,133 maybe in the low hundreds of millions. 1282 01:05:57,233 --> 01:06:00,300 I mean I I would think, I mean, it, it, it is, 1283 01:06:00,567 --> 01:06:03,000 it's gonna be, it's it's gonna be significant, 1284 01:06:05,166 --> 01:06:07,266 but you, you have to, you have to work it out. 1285 01:06:07,333 --> 01:06:11,033 And honestly, I, I've seen lots 1286 01:06:11,033 --> 01:06:13,767 of rail studies done over the years, some 1287 01:06:13,767 --> 01:06:16,333 of 'em while I was Deputy Secretary of Penn on some of 'em 1288 01:06:16,333 --> 01:06:18,834 that, you know, I've participated in as a consultant 1289 01:06:19,934 --> 01:06:24,100 and often people will try to work toward, 1290 01:06:24,634 --> 01:06:27,367 you think about try and work toward low capital costs 1291 01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:30,000 and capital costs aren't your biggest challenge. 1292 01:06:31,433 --> 01:06:34,634 You're often your biggest challenge is how you're gonna pay 1293 01:06:34,634 --> 01:06:36,000 for ongoing operations 1294 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,700 because that doesn't usually come with federal dollars. 1295 01:06:40,934 --> 01:06:44,000 It usually, you know, requires state local dollars to pay 1296 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,934 for ongoing operations, which can be pretty challenging. 1297 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:52,000 - Hey, Toby, since you mentioned it, if you would share 1298 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,066 with the group your previous day job in the public sector, 1299 01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:59,934 I think that would be helpful context for, 1300 01:07:00,066 --> 01:07:01,033 for those of us in the room. 1301 01:07:02,066 --> 01:07:05,834 - Sure. So prior to going back to consolidating, 1302 01:07:06,233 --> 01:07:07,300 I was deputy secretary 1303 01:07:07,467 --> 01:07:10,033 for multimodal transportation at PennDOT. 1304 01:07:10,033 --> 01:07:12,734 Prior to that I was deputy secretary for local 1305 01:07:12,734 --> 01:07:17,066 and area transportation, but I was at PennDOT for 14 years 1306 01:07:18,634 --> 01:07:20,867 and over, you know, three governors 1307 01:07:20,900 --> 01:07:24,000 and that, in that deputy secretary role was responsible 1308 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,834 for funding public transportation and passenger rail. 1309 01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:30,700 And then when I was multimodal, I covered all 1310 01:07:31,166 --> 01:07:33,567 freight rail and ports and waterways 1311 01:07:33,567 --> 01:07:36,066 and, you know, airports and everything else. 1312 01:07:36,333 --> 01:07:37,734 So for the last five years. 1313 01:07:37,934 --> 01:07:42,700 But I pretty much every passenger rail study 1314 01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:44,834 that went on in Pennsylvania 1315 01:07:45,433 --> 01:07:48,834 or was engaged in Pennsylvania during that period 1316 01:07:48,834 --> 01:07:51,700 of time I was involved in or commented on 1317 01:07:51,934 --> 01:07:54,000 or, you know, we, we ended up reviewing 1318 01:07:54,567 --> 01:07:57,000 and like I said, the, the biggest challenge is, 1319 01:07:59,166 --> 01:08:02,300 is achieving, getting, 1320 01:08:02,533 --> 01:08:05,867 operating on mostly ongoing operating costs. 1321 01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:09,767 Being able to pay for operating, operating expenses. 1322 01:08:11,333 --> 01:08:13,233 - Alright, thanks Toby. 1323 01:08:13,233 --> 01:08:14,333 I hated to put you on the spot, 1324 01:08:14,367 --> 01:08:15,634 but I thought that No, that's fine. 1325 01:08:15,734 --> 01:08:20,700 Context was, was relevant, you know, to the, 1326 01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:24,700 to the study, Joanne and then Frank. Okay. 1327 01:08:25,567 --> 01:08:28,333 - To sort of answer your question about cost, 1328 01:08:28,734 --> 01:08:31,367 about six years ago, Bellefonte looked 1329 01:08:32,033 --> 01:08:34,333 into adding the upper 1330 01:08:34,367 --> 01:08:37,000 and lowering arms, which would be required if we have 1331 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:41,033 passenger railroad, we have five places in Befor 1332 01:08:41,033 --> 01:08:42,066 that we would have to have them. 1333 01:08:42,667 --> 01:08:44,634 At that time it was about two to two 1334 01:08:44,634 --> 01:08:47,066 and a half million dollars for just those five. 1335 01:08:47,333 --> 01:08:52,000 And raising, I'm suspecting now it's gonna be over 5 million 1336 01:08:53,667 --> 01:08:55,867 to just give you an idea of what kind 1337 01:08:55,867 --> 01:08:56,867 of cost we're talking about. 1338 01:08:56,867 --> 01:08:58,266 And that doesn't they do anything 1339 01:08:58,266 --> 01:08:59,834 to the train station at this point 1340 01:09:00,367 --> 01:09:03,367 or upgrading the rails, it's just making sure 1341 01:09:03,367 --> 01:09:05,066 that there's a barrier 1342 01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:06,934 for people crossing the railroad tracks 1343 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,066 - Or your grade crossings. 1344 01:09:08,133 --> 01:09:11,233 Yeah, yeah. Frank, yes. 1345 01:09:12,133 --> 01:09:14,700 - Just put everything in kind of in perspective here. 1346 01:09:15,634 --> 01:09:17,934 Number one, we already have bus service to Harrisburg. 1347 01:09:18,133 --> 01:09:19,634 You can get, you can get a Greyhound 1348 01:09:19,634 --> 01:09:21,734 or a Fullington, you can get to Harrisburg on a bus. 1349 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,467 So I'm not really enthused about spending a whole bunch 1350 01:09:24,467 --> 01:09:27,266 of money to, to re redo that or repurpose that. 1351 01:09:27,834 --> 01:09:30,834 The other thing to keep in mind is we're gonna spend a 1352 01:09:30,834 --> 01:09:32,333 billion dollars here in the next 10 years 1353 01:09:32,367 --> 01:09:35,066 to build a four lane road between Potters, 1354 01:09:35,066 --> 01:09:36,233 Mills and, and burg. 1355 01:09:36,900 --> 01:09:39,133 So the a hundred million doesn't scare me as much 1356 01:09:39,133 --> 01:09:40,934 as it may be scares other people. 1357 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,700 Second thing is we, we built a, 1358 01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:46,100 we built a Transcontinental railroad across this country 1359 01:09:46,467 --> 01:09:47,700 in the 18 hundreds. 1360 01:09:47,834 --> 01:09:50,533 I think we could build a rail service between here 1361 01:09:50,533 --> 01:09:54,700 and Altoona, you know that that's not nearly as, as daunting 1362 01:09:54,834 --> 01:09:57,000 as building a railroad across the country. 1363 01:09:57,467 --> 01:10:02,100 In our long run transportation plan, we have, I believe, 1364 01:10:02,033 --> 01:10:05,000 a four lane road trying to connect 99 to the airport. 1365 01:10:05,734 --> 01:10:08,767 So why wouldn't we add this to the long range plan 1366 01:10:09,066 --> 01:10:13,066 to say we're also gonna connect rail service to the airport 1367 01:10:13,133 --> 01:10:16,100 and make that our transportation hub for getting to out 1368 01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:18,567 of the area on either rail train 1369 01:10:18,834 --> 01:10:21,567 or whatever, so that we could have, you could go there 1370 01:10:21,567 --> 01:10:24,300 and get on a plane, you could get on a train and connect. 1371 01:10:24,867 --> 01:10:27,300 So I think this, what we're talking about in this study, 1372 01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:30,567 why not just put it into our long range transportation plan 1373 01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:32,500 and put it all into one big package? 1374 01:10:33,033 --> 01:10:34,033 That's my comment, 1375 01:10:35,033 --> 01:10:36,266 - Like that enthusiasm. 1376 01:10:37,533 --> 01:10:42,266 But that is a role this body could play. Others. 1377 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,033 Oh, Jeremy. Yeah. 1378 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:51,333 - I was gonna, I was gonna say Heidi, I su supervisor, Rob 1379 01:10:51,333 --> 01:10:53,066 and I actually had privilege 1380 01:10:53,066 --> 01:10:55,100 of meeting Mike Carroll a couple years ago 1381 01:10:55,100 --> 01:11:00,066 and the reality is, you know, rail is 1382 01:11:00,934 --> 01:11:02,066 rather expensive 1383 01:11:02,233 --> 01:11:05,533 and does take a lot of time to put together 1384 01:11:09,333 --> 01:11:13,533 I'm, I'm optimistic, but again, it, it takes time. 1385 01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:17,066 And I know Amtrak is very eager 1386 01:11:17,266 --> 01:11:19,533 to expand passenger rail service. 1387 01:11:19,567 --> 01:11:24,033 They've even formed a committee with their board 1388 01:11:24,033 --> 01:11:26,367 of directors that's actually chaired by Robert Gleason, 1389 01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:28,100 a longtime Pennsylvanian 1390 01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:31,000 and resident of Johnstown, who is 1391 01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:36,467 really excited to see expansion of passenger rail service. 1392 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,700 So again, yeah, it just takes time and, and a lot of money, 1393 01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:46,100 but you know, it's not completely undoable. 1394 01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:49,033 It just, you know, it's gonna depend on when, where, 1395 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,834 and who has resources With 1396 01:11:53,634 --> 01:11:56,634 just kind of a general comment of the overall study. 1397 01:11:57,266 --> 01:12:02,066 I know there was a lot of references of spiking demand, 1398 01:12:03,033 --> 01:12:05,467 but it would be kind of interesting to see how 1399 01:12:06,467 --> 01:12:08,266 with even increased service 1400 01:12:08,533 --> 01:12:12,000 or more consistent service, just kind of how those spikes 1401 01:12:12,767 --> 01:12:15,066 continue to evolve and even 1402 01:12:16,033 --> 01:12:19,066 be nice if there was even just a review within a year 1403 01:12:19,133 --> 01:12:22,767 after Amtrak gets the second train launch. 1404 01:12:22,867 --> 01:12:27,066 Just kind of how the numbers 1405 01:12:28,033 --> 01:12:30,066 evolve because there have been areas 1406 01:12:30,133 --> 01:12:33,567 where Amtrak has expanded service or reintroduced service 1407 01:12:33,867 --> 01:12:38,367 and in some of those areas it has exceeded expectations 1408 01:12:39,634 --> 01:12:44,166 months, if not even a year into those changes. 1409 01:12:44,634 --> 01:12:49,133 So be interesting to have those numbers to continue on with 1410 01:12:49,867 --> 01:12:52,166 what we've put together tonight. 1411 01:12:53,934 --> 01:12:56,834 - Yeah, well for points west of Harrisburg, 1412 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,900 yeah, we'll see the increase. 1413 01:13:00,166 --> 01:13:04,266 Any other comments again before we consider action tonight? 1414 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,066 Obviously based on the comments tonight, 1415 01:13:09,133 --> 01:13:12,734 there's also passionate enthusiasm for this within the, 1416 01:13:12,734 --> 01:13:14,500 the MPO and, and Frank's, right? 1417 01:13:14,934 --> 01:13:17,767 We do actually have a role, it's not necessarily paying 1418 01:13:17,767 --> 01:13:22,333 for it, but certainly, you know, prioritizing it and, 1419 01:13:22,734 --> 01:13:27,500 and and taking, take, taking our shots where we have them. 1420 01:13:28,066 --> 01:13:30,133 I will say this though, and as we wrap up, 1421 01:13:31,634 --> 01:13:32,834 if I'm reading a little in 1422 01:13:32,834 --> 01:13:34,333 between the lines from those comments, 1423 01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,066 while everyone prefers the rail, it seems 1424 01:13:38,233 --> 01:13:42,033 as though they all understand that the 1425 01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:47,166 options one and two are necessary to get 1426 01:13:47,233 --> 01:13:48,300 to three and four. 1427 01:13:49,033 --> 01:13:50,433 You know, you've gotta build your base, 1428 01:13:50,433 --> 01:13:51,867 you've gotta show demand 1429 01:13:52,233 --> 01:13:53,634 before you can even begin 1430 01:13:53,634 --> 01:13:55,533 to think about spending hundreds of millions of dollars. 1431 01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:00,500 So I think it, while it didn't come out clear in there, 1432 01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:03,333 if you read between the lines and the comments 1433 01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:06,634 and read some of them, I think everybody understands 1434 01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:10,100 that one and two is necessary if you're either ever going 1435 01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:11,133 to consider three and four. 1436 01:14:13,066 --> 01:14:14,066 So 1437 01:14:15,533 --> 01:14:17,066 - I was gonna say even one, one 1438 01:14:17,066 --> 01:14:19,367 and two is kind of a no brainer in like 1439 01:14:20,166 --> 01:14:22,066 my own fiscal reality right now 1440 01:14:22,066 --> 01:14:24,100 because I'm going to a conference in October 1441 01:14:24,033 --> 01:14:27,033 where parking's like $75 a day 1442 01:14:28,066 --> 01:14:30,100 and just doing the math. 1443 01:14:30,767 --> 01:14:33,767 I, I'm better ditching the car, taking the bus, 1444 01:14:33,767 --> 01:14:35,634 getting on the train and going to the conference. 1445 01:14:37,133 --> 01:14:39,634 - Alright, I don't see any more hands raised, 1446 01:14:39,734 --> 01:14:42,100 so we're gonna cut Ben and Toby 1447 01:14:43,066 --> 01:14:47,100 and Peyton loose here as soon as we take take action. 1448 01:14:47,133 --> 01:14:48,634 I want to thank you again and, 1449 01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:51,767 and also pass our thanks on to Brian 1450 01:14:53,934 --> 01:14:55,700 absolutely on our behalf. 1451 01:14:57,433 --> 01:15:00,367 Again, the only comment I would make though is I would stick 1452 01:15:00,367 --> 01:15:01,834 those recommendations at the end. 1453 01:15:01,834 --> 01:15:06,033 Going back to go Paul's question, you know, we led 1454 01:15:06,033 --> 01:15:09,433 with the alternatives, it might flow a little better if, 1455 01:15:09,533 --> 01:15:11,000 if this is ever used again. 1456 01:15:11,233 --> 01:15:14,433 And maybe we could get a copy of this absolutely PowerPoint 1457 01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:19,000 to, to set the, the options at the end 1458 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,834 after you looked at, you know, 1459 01:15:20,834 --> 01:15:21,934 how you gathered all the input. 1460 01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,467 Alright, if no further comments 1461 01:15:25,700 --> 01:15:29,333 or questions, again this is an action item asking the 1462 01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:32,900 committee to accept the final draft, 1463 01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:34,367 which would turn it into a final 1464 01:15:37,233 --> 01:15:40,266 and release it at this point. 1465 01:15:40,533 --> 01:15:44,166 Anyone wanna make that motion? Joanne? I'll make the motion 1466 01:15:45,467 --> 01:15:46,934 - To accept the final report 1467 01:15:47,266 --> 01:15:49,367 with any comments we heard this evening. 1468 01:15:50,934 --> 01:15:52,467 - Okay. And we'll have those in the record. 1469 01:15:53,467 --> 01:15:54,900 - I'll second those. Mr. Chairman. 1470 01:15:55,033 --> 01:15:58,066 - Second. Any discussion or comments on the motion? 1471 01:16:00,066 --> 01:16:04,000 Alright then. All in favor please signify by saying aye. 1472 01:16:04,767 --> 01:16:08,133 Aye. Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? 1473 01:16:11,767 --> 01:16:13,100 Okay. Motion carries. 1474 01:16:13,867 --> 01:16:16,066 Study goes from final draft to final 1475 01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:18,634 with the comments from tonight. 1476 01:16:19,367 --> 01:16:24,000 And again thanks to the staff at Michael Baker, Toby 1477 01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:27,133 and Brian again of course at Michael Baker 1478 01:16:27,333 --> 01:16:29,233 for all the work in in bringing this home. 1479 01:16:31,867 --> 01:16:35,100 That concludes the passenger rail study takes us 1480 01:16:35,166 --> 01:16:38,300 to item number eight, our 1481 01:16:39,066 --> 01:16:43,533 centered on safety action plan status report. 1482 01:16:44,567 --> 01:16:47,266 And this is not an action item, this is more 1483 01:16:47,266 --> 01:16:49,567 or less an update with potential comments. 1484 01:16:49,867 --> 01:16:51,634 Is that correct? Yes. Okay. 1485 01:16:53,567 --> 01:16:56,000 - So tonight this is moving 1486 01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,000 along toward a final draft for November 1487 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,300 and we wanna share what we've been doing. 1488 01:17:05,133 --> 01:17:06,767 If you've been following along, 1489 01:17:07,467 --> 01:17:10,567 the last several agendas have had updates as part 1490 01:17:10,567 --> 01:17:11,700 of the Consent Agenda. 1491 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,567 So this is basically presenting an update prior 1492 01:17:17,634 --> 01:17:18,767 to the final draft. 1493 01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:25,266 What we have here is centered on safety is an act safety 1494 01:17:25,266 --> 01:17:29,033 action plan that was originated as part 1495 01:17:29,133 --> 01:17:33,033 of the active transportation plan that was adopted a couple 1496 01:17:33,033 --> 01:17:37,300 of years ago and that assisted us in 1497 01:17:38,133 --> 01:17:41,834 going after grants for Safe Streets and Roads for all. 1498 01:17:41,867 --> 01:17:43,834 So this is a planning grant 1499 01:17:43,834 --> 01:17:47,100 that we were successful in obtaining. 1500 01:17:47,867 --> 01:17:50,734 The idea is that we update what's currently online is the 1501 01:17:50,734 --> 01:17:54,834 safety action plan with some additional information, which 1502 01:17:54,934 --> 01:17:57,567 as part of the grant included a safety analysis 1503 01:17:57,567 --> 01:18:01,567 and prioritization that also included an inventory. 1504 01:18:02,233 --> 01:18:05,533 So there were the boroughs 1505 01:18:05,567 --> 01:18:07,300 and Borough Lake areas selected 1506 01:18:07,333 --> 01:18:11,033 that you'll see later were inventoried for sidewalks. 1507 01:18:12,033 --> 01:18:16,634 Many do not have any type of inventory, not even on paper. 1508 01:18:17,133 --> 01:18:20,500 So this seemed like a definite need for those areas. 1509 01:18:21,367 --> 01:18:24,266 The second part came from discussions 1510 01:18:24,266 --> 01:18:26,867 with Pendot Lane Departures being one 1511 01:18:26,867 --> 01:18:28,867 of the highest crash types in Centre County. 1512 01:18:29,266 --> 01:18:33,300 And this being a priority for PENDOT to try 1513 01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:34,834 to address more segments. 1514 01:18:35,266 --> 01:18:38,066 And basically a lane departure crash is when you leave the 1515 01:18:38,066 --> 01:18:39,834 lane, whether it's cross the center line 1516 01:18:39,834 --> 01:18:41,500 or go off the other direction. 1517 01:18:44,133 --> 01:18:48,567 Included in this are other safety projects that we have 1518 01:18:49,133 --> 01:18:51,533 in our active transportation plan as well 1519 01:18:51,533 --> 01:18:53,934 as our long range transportation plan. 1520 01:18:54,266 --> 01:18:57,000 The idea is that we are summarizing all these projects 1521 01:18:57,333 --> 01:18:59,066 for future implementation. 1522 01:18:59,867 --> 01:19:03,066 Some of it could be part of a future safe streets 1523 01:19:03,066 --> 01:19:04,266 and roads for all grant 1524 01:19:04,934 --> 01:19:08,133 and others could be part of other, whether it's municipal 1525 01:19:08,834 --> 01:19:12,367 or county wide LED grants. 1526 01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:16,500 We also included public engagement, noting 1527 01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:19,333 that we included the previous public engagement efforts 1528 01:19:19,433 --> 01:19:22,467 that we had done with the active transportation plan, 1529 01:19:22,700 --> 01:19:25,867 the long range plan and this plan update. 1530 01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:32,100 Next slide. So in case you didn't know, 1531 01:19:33,066 --> 01:19:36,533 the Safety Action Plan has very specific steps that we have 1532 01:19:36,533 --> 01:19:39,934 to follow to meet the the Federal Highway criteria. 1533 01:19:40,567 --> 01:19:43,033 It's changed slightly in the last couple years, 1534 01:19:43,133 --> 01:19:45,533 so this is the most up to date that we are to follow. 1535 01:19:46,367 --> 01:19:48,066 So we need leadership commitment. 1536 01:19:48,834 --> 01:19:51,734 The MPO as an organization can be that leader 1537 01:19:52,367 --> 01:19:55,567 and that was initiated in the plan, 1538 01:19:55,867 --> 01:19:58,100 the active transportation plan in 2024 1539 01:19:58,567 --> 01:20:02,700 and then confirmed in the LRTP that we adopted last year. 1540 01:20:03,467 --> 01:20:06,533 So that the goal is to reduce serious injuries 1541 01:20:06,533 --> 01:20:10,266 and fatalities by 22% by 2034. 1542 01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,634 The planning structure there needs 1543 01:20:13,634 --> 01:20:16,500 to be an advisory body for this process. 1544 01:20:17,266 --> 01:20:19,333 And the safety subcommittee that has been 1545 01:20:19,333 --> 01:20:23,333 around roughly since 2021 has been providing advice. 1546 01:20:24,266 --> 01:20:28,066 As we have developed sections of the plan, it has 1547 01:20:28,066 --> 01:20:29,700 to include safety analysis, 1548 01:20:29,700 --> 01:20:33,233 which not only includes things like crash data review, 1549 01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:35,233 what types of crashes are occurring, 1550 01:20:36,367 --> 01:20:41,000 but also specific to the lane departures, what 1551 01:20:41,066 --> 01:20:44,467 what are occurring at at those particular segments. 1552 01:20:45,033 --> 01:20:47,934 When we look at sidewalks, it's a little bit more proactive 1553 01:20:48,567 --> 01:20:51,333 because if you don't have a sidewalk, 1554 01:20:51,367 --> 01:20:54,734 you're actually more at risk as a pedestrian to get around. 1555 01:20:54,834 --> 01:20:56,700 So it's a little, it's a little different. 1556 01:20:57,066 --> 01:20:59,734 So that's really looking ahead, trying to develop these 1557 01:21:01,066 --> 01:21:02,934 potential sidewalk connections. 1558 01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,233 Stakeholder engagement we carried 1559 01:21:06,233 --> 01:21:09,033 through from the previous plans as well 1560 01:21:09,133 --> 01:21:13,233 as doing some engagement this summer into this fall. 1561 01:21:14,066 --> 01:21:18,066 Getting feedback from what we have accomplished so far. 1562 01:21:19,233 --> 01:21:22,233 As part of that we have to review policy and process. 1563 01:21:22,567 --> 01:21:26,000 What plans are helping us, what should we be looking ahead 1564 01:21:26,033 --> 01:21:30,834 for in terms of updating, such as do municipalities 1565 01:21:31,333 --> 01:21:33,000 actually have a sidewalk Ordinance? 1566 01:21:34,367 --> 01:21:37,033 Many boroughs don't necessarily have one 1567 01:21:37,433 --> 01:21:41,033 or if they have one, they may not want to look back at it 1568 01:21:41,033 --> 01:21:42,867 and see if there needs to be some updates. 1569 01:21:43,567 --> 01:21:48,100 And then are there other things that we could do in terms of 1570 01:21:49,333 --> 01:21:52,467 coaxing along our roads to be safer 1571 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,467 strategies and projects? 1572 01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:01,066 We have actual lists in the the 1573 01:22:01,066 --> 01:22:02,300 draft action plan. 1574 01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:06,634 They have been drawn from the active transportation plan, 1575 01:22:07,567 --> 01:22:09,066 the LRTP 1576 01:22:09,467 --> 01:22:11,000 and then the lane departures 1577 01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:13,000 that we are highlighting in this. 1578 01:22:13,834 --> 01:22:15,133 The sidewalks are a little different 1579 01:22:15,233 --> 01:22:16,867 and we'll go over that later. 1580 01:22:18,066 --> 01:22:20,867 In terms of progress, we have to have a webpage 1581 01:22:20,867 --> 01:22:23,734 that is dedicated to this, that is a requirement 1582 01:22:23,734 --> 01:22:26,367 of the grant and the materials. 1583 01:22:26,467 --> 01:22:28,467 Our progress have been posted on there. 1584 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,233 What we'd like to do is to have an an adoption in November. 1585 01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:38,700 This sets us up as long as the stars align 1586 01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:41,934 to look at potential projects. 1587 01:22:42,266 --> 01:22:45,000 Two for implementation in 2027. 1588 01:22:45,934 --> 01:22:50,467 Those could be part of another safe routes, safe streets 1589 01:22:50,467 --> 01:22:54,734 and roads for all I grant. 1590 01:22:55,066 --> 01:22:57,000 Or it could be something that's locally driven. 1591 01:22:59,033 --> 01:23:02,133 All right, next slide please. So the sidewalk analysis. 1592 01:23:02,233 --> 01:23:05,367 So this is a list of locations that were part 1593 01:23:05,367 --> 01:23:09,533 of our inventory discussion in the parentheses, this is the 1594 01:23:10,233 --> 01:23:14,100 actual miles that were inventoried for each area. 1595 01:23:14,900 --> 01:23:18,934 So some have more than others, which is kind of interesting. 1596 01:23:20,033 --> 01:23:21,567 I never really had any expectations. 1597 01:23:21,667 --> 01:23:25,000 This came from the consultant in terms of an idea to track. 1598 01:23:25,166 --> 01:23:27,767 So it's really good summary of of 1599 01:23:27,834 --> 01:23:29,300 what these areas look like. 1600 01:23:30,667 --> 01:23:32,033 State College is a little different. 1601 01:23:32,033 --> 01:23:35,033 They have a very robust inventory already. 1602 01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:37,300 They do regular inspections 1603 01:23:38,266 --> 01:23:40,700 for their sidewalks. 1604 01:23:41,133 --> 01:23:45,000 So the inventory did not include a redo of that work. 1605 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,033 Rather, they were interested in having an updated inventory 1606 01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:50,000 for aada, a ramps. 1607 01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:56,066 Next slide. So in terms of what we did with 1608 01:23:56,066 --> 01:23:57,934 that information, you'll see in the map 1609 01:23:57,934 --> 01:24:00,634 that their green lines are where the sidewalks are located. 1610 01:24:01,133 --> 01:24:03,533 We used beon as an example. 1611 01:24:04,133 --> 01:24:06,867 Typically county seats are the areas of activity 1612 01:24:07,066 --> 01:24:08,367 that happen within a county 1613 01:24:08,467 --> 01:24:10,300 and that seemed to make sense to do that here. 1614 01:24:10,900 --> 01:24:13,567 So the inventory was completed with a quarter 1615 01:24:13,734 --> 01:24:16,500 and half mile buffer to see if there was anything 1616 01:24:16,667 --> 01:24:19,000 beyond the municipal limits. 1617 01:24:19,467 --> 01:24:21,634 And as you can see, and this is pretty true of some 1618 01:24:21,634 --> 01:24:25,300 of the other boroughs, it drops off like pretty fast. 1619 01:24:27,166 --> 01:24:29,066 And what we did was look at these 1620 01:24:29,500 --> 01:24:33,000 and looked at their condition, 1621 01:24:34,266 --> 01:24:36,066 their, their cross slope, 1622 01:24:36,066 --> 01:24:37,333 their slope, those were spot checks. 1623 01:24:38,066 --> 01:24:42,066 And then the lengths of these sections are measured as well 1624 01:24:42,066 --> 01:24:44,133 as having a d, a and CRO 1625 01:24:44,233 --> 01:24:46,000 and crosswalk information, 1626 01:24:47,233 --> 01:24:51,033 since we know sidewalks are a proven safety counter measure. 1627 01:24:51,233 --> 01:24:55,233 But this helps advance, trying to make the system safer 1628 01:24:55,567 --> 01:24:57,233 for our vulnerable road users, 1629 01:24:57,834 --> 01:25:00,066 but also access to activity centers. 1630 01:25:00,467 --> 01:25:02,367 We know that people sometimes they just have 1631 01:25:02,367 --> 01:25:04,634 to walk somewhere because they don't have a car. 1632 01:25:04,734 --> 01:25:08,834 So for example, from Bellon, someone may actually walk 1633 01:25:08,900 --> 01:25:11,100 to the Weiss market that's on five 50 1634 01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:12,467 because they don't have car access. 1635 01:25:13,934 --> 01:25:18,567 And we wanted to create some sort of scoring 1636 01:25:18,700 --> 01:25:22,333 and prioritization to try to get the conversation going, 1637 01:25:22,367 --> 01:25:24,100 to try to develop priorities 1638 01:25:24,533 --> 01:25:26,467 that the boroughs could think about. 1639 01:25:26,900 --> 01:25:29,066 This is not us telling you what to do, 1640 01:25:29,033 --> 01:25:30,700 but we have to start somewhere 1641 01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:33,300 and what we look at in terms of prioritization. 1642 01:25:34,734 --> 01:25:38,500 Next slide. So we had this scoring matrix 1643 01:25:39,100 --> 01:25:42,066 where we looked at functional functional classification. 1644 01:25:42,066 --> 01:25:45,066 Typically the higher functional class, the higher the speed, 1645 01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:48,767 so the higher risk where those activity centers were. 1646 01:25:48,767 --> 01:25:51,066 So if there were gaps to activity centers, 1647 01:25:51,533 --> 01:25:55,467 that was something that we thought was a priority, whether 1648 01:25:55,467 --> 01:25:58,533 or not there was a sidewalk, what was the condition? 1649 01:25:58,567 --> 01:26:00,567 So for example, if it's poor condition, 1650 01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:03,033 probably people aren't going to use it 1651 01:26:03,033 --> 01:26:04,700 because there's lots of tripping hazards. 1652 01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,033 And then other things like barriers, these were the ones 1653 01:26:08,033 --> 01:26:11,700 that we selected and is there a right of way available? 1654 01:26:11,834 --> 01:26:13,634 This is a limiting factor A lot 1655 01:26:13,634 --> 01:26:15,867 of times in sidewalk development, 1656 01:26:16,133 --> 01:26:18,767 this was a very high level planning review. 1657 01:26:18,867 --> 01:26:19,934 It was not technical, 1658 01:26:20,166 --> 01:26:22,533 but we thought we should highlight that as part 1659 01:26:22,533 --> 01:26:24,133 of this prioritization. 1660 01:26:24,333 --> 01:26:27,100 And then finally, as part of the 12 year program, 1661 01:26:27,033 --> 01:26:29,934 that's the TYP, the first four years, 1662 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,033 typically those projects have already been started under 1663 01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:35,133 design and trying 1664 01:26:35,133 --> 01:26:37,533 to sneak something in would be extremely difficult. 1665 01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:39,300 So that's why we're looking ahead. 1666 01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:45,333 So this is what the scoring results look like for bail fund. 1667 01:26:45,767 --> 01:26:49,000 Okay. And you see it's interesting in that 1668 01:26:50,333 --> 01:26:54,533 it is really some of the more utilized roads 1669 01:26:55,066 --> 01:26:57,133 into and out of the Borough 1670 01:26:57,834 --> 01:27:00,367 and that speaks to the functional classification 1671 01:27:01,433 --> 01:27:03,834 and then also where sidewalks are missing. 1672 01:27:05,133 --> 01:27:09,634 I think in this case we didn't know what to expect. 1673 01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:14,066 So we have left it as is in terms 1674 01:27:14,166 --> 01:27:19,100 of a prior prioritization map with the idea that, 1675 01:27:19,367 --> 01:27:21,867 and it was presented to the Beon Borough earlier 1676 01:27:22,734 --> 01:27:24,000 that they can use that. 1677 01:27:24,266 --> 01:27:28,300 We will have a suggestion in our plan for beon that 1678 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,467 the Willow Willowbank Street will, 1679 01:27:34,867 --> 01:27:38,333 that red line that's kind of connects to 1680 01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,333 Benner will be probably the prioritized route just 1681 01:27:42,333 --> 01:27:43,567 based on the information. 1682 01:27:44,133 --> 01:27:48,100 But Bellon did note that Potter Street was a priority. 1683 01:27:48,567 --> 01:27:52,300 So we can also add that as part 1684 01:27:52,467 --> 01:27:54,033 of the document. 1685 01:27:55,033 --> 01:27:57,266 Each grow has their own priorities in terms of 1686 01:27:57,266 --> 01:27:58,533 what they're trying to accomplish. 1687 01:27:58,667 --> 01:28:03,066 So we wanna be supportive of that as well. Next slide. 1688 01:28:04,533 --> 01:28:05,834 Lane departure crashes. 1689 01:28:06,467 --> 01:28:09,767 So this is where the locations within Centre County 1690 01:28:11,100 --> 01:28:13,533 PennDOT suggested for us to go and study. 1691 01:28:14,333 --> 01:28:16,133 And you'll see they're extremely rural. 1692 01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:19,300 They are not in our urbanized areas. 1693 01:28:20,166 --> 01:28:22,000 So there's some themes that occur 1694 01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:23,333 with this when looking at them. 1695 01:28:24,567 --> 01:28:28,100 And we had the assistance of a subcontractor, Bowman 1696 01:28:28,834 --> 01:28:31,033 to review these segments 1697 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,000 and make suggestions essentially 1698 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,300 how we can improve upon these locations. 1699 01:28:36,066 --> 01:28:39,934 Next slide and flip through all of it. 1700 01:28:40,233 --> 01:28:44,266 So part of this calculation is what the excess cost is. 1701 01:28:44,333 --> 01:28:47,033 So it's generally understood that 1702 01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:50,734 crashes have a cost 1703 01:28:51,433 --> 01:28:54,700 and fatal have a higher cost 1704 01:28:55,667 --> 01:28:57,000 than property damage. 1705 01:28:57,433 --> 01:28:59,100 So what the Bowman did 1706 01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:03,066 for us is do an excess cost analysis using the crash 1707 01:29:03,066 --> 01:29:04,266 history of those segments. 1708 01:29:04,734 --> 01:29:08,100 The the, the traffic that they were able to locate in terms 1709 01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:11,934 of the data available and then the road curvatures there. 1710 01:29:12,066 --> 01:29:14,066 Many of these segments do have some 1711 01:29:14,567 --> 01:29:16,634 road curvatures associated with them. 1712 01:29:17,166 --> 01:29:20,066 So then the expected versus the predicted. 1713 01:29:20,567 --> 01:29:23,100 So when there is a higher ex 1714 01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:27,500 excess cost than is predicted, 1715 01:29:29,300 --> 01:29:30,634 that becomes a problem 1716 01:29:30,634 --> 01:29:32,567 because that means there's a higher risk 1717 01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:35,033 for crashes in those locations. 1718 01:29:38,533 --> 01:29:43,133 Next slide please. So these are the segments 1719 01:29:43,133 --> 01:29:44,834 that had positive excess costs 1720 01:29:45,567 --> 01:29:48,634 and it seemed to be better to try to list them 1721 01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:51,066 by municipality than trying 1722 01:29:51,066 --> 01:29:53,066 to set up some other arrangement. 1723 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:57,367 But in the document there is more detail on these locations 1724 01:29:58,133 --> 01:30:00,867 and we did not treat them any differently. 1725 01:30:01,333 --> 01:30:04,033 Say for example, section 5 0 4 1726 01:30:04,100 --> 01:30:07,533 that has the 11,000 excess cost, we didn't say 1727 01:30:07,533 --> 01:30:10,233 that one was less important than the one at the 1728 01:30:10,233 --> 01:30:11,467 top Ridge Ridge Road. 1729 01:30:11,467 --> 01:30:14,867 We wanted all of them analyzed. Next slide please. 1730 01:30:16,734 --> 01:30:19,433 So as part of this effort, Bowman did 1731 01:30:20,066 --> 01:30:21,333 analysis within their office, 1732 01:30:21,467 --> 01:30:22,934 but then they went out in the field 1733 01:30:23,467 --> 01:30:26,900 and they actually took a map and marked it up 1734 01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:28,667 and made field observations 1735 01:30:28,667 --> 01:30:30,934 that they couldn't necessarily get from video log. 1736 01:30:31,133 --> 01:30:33,266 And so I'm just sharing this, that there's a lot of work 1737 01:30:33,500 --> 01:30:35,166 behind the scenes that goes on with this 1738 01:30:35,734 --> 01:30:37,033 and I thought it might just be interest 1739 01:30:37,467 --> 01:30:38,467 of interest to the group. 1740 01:30:39,133 --> 01:30:42,500 Next slide please. And then of course, 1741 01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:46,667 video log doesn't always give us good photos in terms 1742 01:30:46,734 --> 01:30:48,333 of what's going on in the conditions. 1743 01:30:48,734 --> 01:30:51,033 So they went out and took some photos of the, 1744 01:30:51,467 --> 01:30:55,567 of each segment, this is in Marion Township, to see kind of 1745 01:30:55,567 --> 01:30:58,266 what was going on and also document some concerns. 1746 01:31:00,500 --> 01:31:05,433 Next slide. And then as part of that analysis, 1747 01:31:06,033 --> 01:31:08,233 this is a simplified version of it, 1748 01:31:08,233 --> 01:31:10,233 the longer version is in the draft plan. 1749 01:31:11,233 --> 01:31:14,934 What they did was put together these project profiles 1750 01:31:15,133 --> 01:31:17,433 so you kind of have a summary of what's going on, 1751 01:31:17,500 --> 01:31:21,367 what are the conditions, what are the potential crash types 1752 01:31:22,066 --> 01:31:26,100 and and was there anything unusual about the information 1753 01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:28,100 that they were able to get from the data? 1754 01:31:29,634 --> 01:31:32,467 The field observations were intended, oops, sorry 1755 01:31:32,767 --> 01:31:37,133 to supplement that because data can only go so far. 1756 01:31:37,867 --> 01:31:39,333 And they went out 1757 01:31:39,333 --> 01:31:42,133 and looked at, see if there was anything in addition to 1758 01:31:42,066 --> 01:31:43,567 what the data was showing. 1759 01:31:44,066 --> 01:31:47,500 And this basically has put together for each 1760 01:31:47,533 --> 01:31:50,133 of those segments with 1761 01:31:50,734 --> 01:31:53,233 potential improvements for those segments. 1762 01:31:54,934 --> 01:31:59,467 - Alright, - So then in addition to those areas 1763 01:31:59,467 --> 01:32:02,266 of emphasis that the grant is covering, we wanted 1764 01:32:02,266 --> 01:32:05,066 to recognize some projects that are going on 1765 01:32:06,500 --> 01:32:11,000 as potential items for improvement in the 1766 01:32:11,567 --> 01:32:13,066 active transportation plan 1767 01:32:13,266 --> 01:32:16,100 and the safety projects from the LRTP. 1768 01:32:16,934 --> 01:32:21,767 So the active transportation plan solicited for areas 1769 01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:25,533 of concern and project for future project development. 1770 01:32:26,100 --> 01:32:29,066 And those projects were compared to planning documents 1771 01:32:29,367 --> 01:32:32,266 that had similar scopes 1772 01:32:32,333 --> 01:32:35,233 or locations for potential improvements. 1773 01:32:35,867 --> 01:32:40,000 So these are some of the projects that from that survey 1774 01:32:40,634 --> 01:32:43,934 and comparing to existing plans were highlighted 1775 01:32:44,033 --> 01:32:45,867 as potential safety projects. 1776 01:32:46,634 --> 01:32:48,634 The ones on the right should look familiar. 1777 01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,333 They are from the long range transportation plan 1778 01:32:52,934 --> 01:32:56,133 and those have been adopted as part of that plan. 1779 01:32:57,467 --> 01:33:01,867 The next item is the pen. Whoops, sorry, I meant to go back. 1780 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,500 Is the PennDOT network screening results, 1781 01:33:05,500 --> 01:33:07,734 which are done periodically 1782 01:33:07,734 --> 01:33:10,000 and they highlight sections of roadway 1783 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,066 and intersections that are of concern. 1784 01:33:12,734 --> 01:33:14,934 PennDOT has been looking at the project list 1785 01:33:15,433 --> 01:33:18,333 and has suggested that the, even though they're dated, 1786 01:33:18,433 --> 01:33:21,834 they're a couple years old, that the the dozen 1787 01:33:21,934 --> 01:33:23,867 or so locations from 1788 01:33:23,867 --> 01:33:27,367 that screening exercise be incorporated into this plan. 1789 01:33:28,133 --> 01:33:32,767 Next slide. In terms of countermeasures 1790 01:33:32,867 --> 01:33:36,700 for lane departures, these are the most common items 1791 01:33:36,867 --> 01:33:40,233 that are being suggested for the majority of those segments. 1792 01:33:40,467 --> 01:33:42,300 These are not high cost items 1793 01:33:43,033 --> 01:33:46,700 and so we're not sure that this would be a potential 1794 01:33:46,700 --> 01:33:50,033 for a futures safe streets and roads for all grant. 1795 01:33:50,834 --> 01:33:54,767 But we think potentially locally they could be incorporated 1796 01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:59,934 as folks from the safety office at PennDOT 1797 01:33:59,934 --> 01:34:02,567 as well as maintenance office. 1798 01:34:02,934 --> 01:34:05,467 There could be an opportunity to make these improvements as 1799 01:34:06,133 --> 01:34:07,233 funds become available. 1800 01:34:09,667 --> 01:34:12,500 In terms of the prioritized sidewalk replacement, 1801 01:34:12,500 --> 01:34:16,133 really the emphasis is replacing or installing sidewalks 1802 01:34:16,433 --> 01:34:20,033 and then of course including a DA ramps and crosswalks. 1803 01:34:20,133 --> 01:34:21,634 And what we'd like to continue 1804 01:34:21,634 --> 01:34:24,934 to do is keep the conversation going for these projects 1805 01:34:25,133 --> 01:34:28,233 because more than likely they are going to be locally driven 1806 01:34:28,433 --> 01:34:32,133 by boroughs since many of these 1807 01:34:33,700 --> 01:34:35,266 locations are along state routes 1808 01:34:35,934 --> 01:34:40,333 and it is practice for PennDOT to not maintain those. 1809 01:34:40,734 --> 01:34:42,834 So the municipality would be responsible 1810 01:34:42,834 --> 01:34:44,100 for maintaining those. 1811 01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:51,533 Next slide. So in terms of public engagement, 1812 01:34:51,834 --> 01:34:55,133 we have had some very specific targeted meetings. 1813 01:34:56,066 --> 01:34:59,000 We had a July 8th virtual 1814 01:35:00,100 --> 01:35:01,734 engagement session countywide. 1815 01:35:01,734 --> 01:35:05,533 We had a pretty decent turnout for that. 1816 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,700 And then we tried to spread our time out in 1817 01:35:08,867 --> 01:35:10,033 a couple of locations. 1818 01:35:10,433 --> 01:35:13,700 So in July we also went to Rush Township 1819 01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:15,233 and held an open house. 1820 01:35:16,066 --> 01:35:19,033 We met with the Ney Valley planning region. 1821 01:35:19,634 --> 01:35:24,233 And then September, actually tomorrow I am going out 1822 01:35:24,867 --> 01:35:27,767 to Penns Valley to meet with them 1823 01:35:28,767 --> 01:35:31,500 right now we have the Public Comment, 1824 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,367 open house Public Comment period from September 11th 1825 01:35:35,734 --> 01:35:39,867 to October 12th when you walked into the foyer, 1826 01:35:40,567 --> 01:35:43,333 the, there's a notice on the board 1827 01:35:43,433 --> 01:35:45,533 and there's a QR code you can use that. 1828 01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:48,233 But we do have an open house next week 1829 01:35:50,367 --> 01:35:52,300 doing the same times that we've done 1830 01:35:52,433 --> 01:35:55,533 for other project plans like the Rail Access City 1831 01:35:55,900 --> 01:36:00,100 and the LRTP to the extent that we are able, we are going 1832 01:36:00,100 --> 01:36:04,133 to continue with our buy and annual municipal visits 1833 01:36:04,567 --> 01:36:06,100 and also be highlighting this 1834 01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:07,133 effort as part of those visits. 1835 01:36:10,233 --> 01:36:13,867 Next steps are to refine the draft that is ongoing. 1836 01:36:15,333 --> 01:36:17,700 We are interested in comments from the plan. 1837 01:36:17,834 --> 01:36:22,100 So if you want to use the, the survey 1838 01:36:22,033 --> 01:36:24,300 that is online or you wanna reach out to me 1839 01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:25,667 and make a comment, that's fine. 1840 01:36:26,567 --> 01:36:29,000 We have notified all planning regions 1841 01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:30,467 that the draft is available 1842 01:36:30,934 --> 01:36:33,433 through their municipal managers and secretaries. 1843 01:36:34,734 --> 01:36:38,734 The safety subcommittee will be reviewing the draft plan in 1844 01:36:38,734 --> 01:36:42,900 October with the idea that we are finishing it up 1845 01:36:43,133 --> 01:36:45,133 and that the tech 1846 01:36:45,133 --> 01:36:48,266 and coordinating committee meetings can adopt this 1847 01:36:48,900 --> 01:36:51,233 in November at the joint meeting. 1848 01:36:53,734 --> 01:36:56,033 And I talked a lot. Are there any questions 1849 01:36:57,033 --> 01:36:59,133 - Before we open it up And thanks. 1850 01:36:59,767 --> 01:37:03,667 We do have at least one safety subcommittee member 1851 01:37:03,700 --> 01:37:04,900 here tonight, don't we? 1852 01:37:06,133 --> 01:37:10,367 Yes. At least part, just wanted to recognize that person. 1853 01:37:10,467 --> 01:37:14,533 Yeah, sorry. Offer him the opportunity if he so desires 1854 01:37:14,634 --> 01:37:16,000 to provide any additional comments. 1855 01:37:16,767 --> 01:37:19,533 He does. He does. I thought so. 1856 01:37:19,867 --> 01:37:21,467 - It is an extremely lengthy document 1857 01:37:21,467 --> 01:37:23,033 and I apologize that for that. 1858 01:37:23,700 --> 01:37:28,133 We are currently trying to work with the sub-consultant 1859 01:37:28,133 --> 01:37:30,700 of Michael Baker to make it more legible. 1860 01:37:30,834 --> 01:37:31,834 So 1861 01:37:33,834 --> 01:37:34,834 - Frank, any comments? 1862 01:37:35,033 --> 01:37:39,367 No. Okay. Again, this is full document is in your, 1863 01:37:39,533 --> 01:37:41,467 is in our packet full draft, right? 1864 01:37:41,900 --> 01:37:44,367 - So it is a link to the draft. Okay. 1865 01:37:44,500 --> 01:37:48,467 - Yes. Alright Joanne 1866 01:37:48,467 --> 01:37:49,667 and then anybody online, 1867 01:37:50,033 --> 01:37:54,166 this is not necessarily an action item, it's an opportunity 1868 01:37:54,266 --> 01:37:59,033 to provide comment before we wrap it up into a final, right. 1869 01:37:59,834 --> 01:38:03,367 - So does this draft or currently 1870 01:38:03,567 --> 01:38:05,133 or can it include 1871 01:38:06,767 --> 01:38:09,100 information on municipalities 1872 01:38:09,033 --> 01:38:12,133 that have adopted a Complete Streets program? 1873 01:38:14,500 --> 01:38:19,233 Beon did that seven months ago where in going 1874 01:38:19,233 --> 01:38:24,033 through our streets committee they ha we have 1875 01:38:25,133 --> 01:38:27,100 an all board contract that is correct, 1876 01:38:27,133 --> 01:38:30,000 but we're working with the sustainability program 1877 01:38:30,700 --> 01:38:33,834 and they've got a student group that is actually, 1878 01:38:34,133 --> 01:38:37,634 and we've identified certain sections of town that need 1879 01:38:38,634 --> 01:38:40,467 be improved for safety purposes 1880 01:38:41,133 --> 01:38:44,066 and they are starting on that two weeks ago. 1881 01:38:44,533 --> 01:38:47,567 - Okay. Yeah, we could certainly add that. 1882 01:38:47,834 --> 01:38:49,100 I'm not sure there are many. 1883 01:38:50,467 --> 01:38:53,100 The active transportation plan actually has a, 1884 01:38:53,500 --> 01:38:58,266 a model guidance that your students could use and rely upon. 1885 01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:02,033 But other than that, and I'm not going to pretend 1886 01:39:02,033 --> 01:39:03,767 to remember all, but I think it's only one 1887 01:39:03,767 --> 01:39:07,100 or two municipalities that have some type 1888 01:39:07,100 --> 01:39:10,533 of complete streets policy or Ordinance in place. 1889 01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,367 But I can definitely get that in there. 1890 01:39:13,033 --> 01:39:14,000 - Okay, thank you. 1891 01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:20,266 - Other comments? Looking online, not seeing any. 1892 01:39:21,233 --> 01:39:22,567 Thank you Ann. We'll just, 1893 01:39:22,834 --> 01:39:24,300 we'll see this again in November then, right? 1894 01:39:24,367 --> 01:39:27,333 Yes. Alright, 1895 01:39:28,100 --> 01:39:30,133 that concludes item number eight. 1896 01:39:30,133 --> 01:39:32,066 That takes us to item number nine, 1897 01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:36,834 fiscal year 20 27, 20 29 1898 01:39:38,166 --> 01:39:41,500 UPWP Unified Planning Work program. 1899 01:39:42,300 --> 01:39:44,500 We have talked about this in the past, 1900 01:39:44,634 --> 01:39:47,567 but I believe this is the first actual official 1901 01:39:47,567 --> 01:39:48,634 draft we're gonna see. 1902 01:39:48,734 --> 01:39:52,634 Is that correct? And just to note, this is one 1903 01:39:52,634 --> 01:39:54,133 of the core functions of the MPO. 1904 01:39:55,700 --> 01:39:59,266 So this is kind of what summarizes what we're going to do. 1905 01:39:59,834 --> 01:40:02,133 Both what we're required to do along with some 1906 01:40:02,133 --> 01:40:03,500 of the other stuff we're gonna do 1907 01:40:03,734 --> 01:40:05,533 and what we're gonna commit resources to. 1908 01:40:05,734 --> 01:40:06,734 So Ann, 1909 01:40:08,934 --> 01:40:12,066 - So we update these every two years. 1910 01:40:12,900 --> 01:40:17,033 As Eric had mentioned, it is part of our core function. 1911 01:40:17,867 --> 01:40:22,166 It's almost a task list for us in terms of MPO staff, 1912 01:40:22,166 --> 01:40:24,033 what we do day to day. 1913 01:40:24,700 --> 01:40:27,066 And we are our, 1914 01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:31,000 even our time sheets are following the UPWP. 1915 01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,133 So we make sure that we're doing what we're supposed to do. 1916 01:40:34,066 --> 01:40:38,433 So the next, we are currently in A-U-P-W-P 1917 01:40:38,433 --> 01:40:41,066 that ends in next June. 1918 01:40:41,900 --> 01:40:46,000 So we are looking ahead to update so that we are ready to go 1919 01:40:46,433 --> 01:40:49,367 for a new UPWP in July of next year. 1920 01:40:50,533 --> 01:40:52,634 And there are many things 1921 01:40:52,700 --> 01:40:55,867 that are gonna look familiar in this document. 1922 01:40:56,900 --> 01:41:00,734 Based on the guidance that we received this summer 1923 01:41:01,867 --> 01:41:06,467 staff determined that what we are doing is in alignment 1924 01:41:06,634 --> 01:41:08,033 with the guidance document. 1925 01:41:08,667 --> 01:41:10,734 And at this point there really isn't a need 1926 01:41:10,734 --> 01:41:13,634 to necessarily make significant changes to 1927 01:41:13,700 --> 01:41:15,066 how we are operating. 1928 01:41:15,667 --> 01:41:18,266 So many of those items you can see here in terms 1929 01:41:18,266 --> 01:41:21,834 of plan development, making sure we have comment periods, 1930 01:41:21,834 --> 01:41:23,033 making sure we have meetings 1931 01:41:23,033 --> 01:41:24,634 to let people know what's going on, 1932 01:41:25,233 --> 01:41:29,233 but also continue our locally driven priorities. 1933 01:41:29,734 --> 01:41:33,934 And we have a history of wanting to provide programming 1934 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:38,700 for bicycling transit and maintaining local outreach. 1935 01:41:39,367 --> 01:41:41,066 And then of course the one 1936 01:41:41,066 --> 01:41:43,500 that many are interested in are our supplemental planning 1937 01:41:43,500 --> 01:41:48,000 studies such as what we did with this past year, 1938 01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:52,233 the Benner Pike study, as well 1939 01:41:52,233 --> 01:41:54,033 as the passenger access rail study. 1940 01:41:55,433 --> 01:41:57,500 So, so many 1941 01:41:57,500 --> 01:42:00,433 of the items on the left hand column here are required. 1942 01:42:00,533 --> 01:42:03,166 We can't get out of them. We have regular updates 1943 01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:07,066 and they are, there is a cycle to them. 1944 01:42:07,867 --> 01:42:11,166 So the tip is, is it always seems like we're looking 1945 01:42:11,300 --> 01:42:12,634 to update the next tip. 1946 01:42:12,634 --> 01:42:15,133 It's somewhat frequently the LRTP is 1947 01:42:15,133 --> 01:42:16,333 roughly every five years. 1948 01:42:17,033 --> 01:42:21,266 So while this actual UPWP will not look at 1949 01:42:21,867 --> 01:42:25,066 updating any aspect of it, the next one probably will 1950 01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:28,433 in order to stay on schedule. 1951 01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:32,667 And then of course we will be looking again at our another 1952 01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,033 UPWP after this one is adopted. 1953 01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,033 In terms of maintaining the planning process, 1954 01:42:39,233 --> 01:42:40,500 we have to maintain the tip. 1955 01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:43,033 There will be amendments, alter adjustments, 1956 01:42:43,533 --> 01:42:46,834 but we also have to maintain our meeting schedule 1957 01:42:47,066 --> 01:42:50,166 to make sure we're keeping you the tech committee informed 1958 01:42:51,033 --> 01:42:53,667 and following what we have in terms of 1959 01:42:54,433 --> 01:42:57,500 getting Public Comment and and public input. 1960 01:42:58,667 --> 01:43:02,433 We have last several years, maybe even longer than that, 1961 01:43:03,066 --> 01:43:07,834 we have agreed to follow the performance measures that 1962 01:43:08,734 --> 01:43:10,333 we have from pendot. 1963 01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,133 For example, safety. We don't generate our own performance 1964 01:43:14,133 --> 01:43:16,166 measures, we don't have the staff 1965 01:43:17,100 --> 01:43:18,533 expertise or time to do that. 1966 01:43:19,867 --> 01:43:20,867 As well as some 1967 01:43:20,867 --> 01:43:24,266 of the other items which are air quality conformity. 1968 01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:26,066 We need assistance with that. 1969 01:43:27,133 --> 01:43:30,634 The county assists us, which with the HPMS inventory, 1970 01:43:31,166 --> 01:43:33,066 I think that's kicking off in October. 1971 01:43:33,867 --> 01:43:36,900 And then of course any related complete streets activities, 1972 01:43:38,166 --> 01:43:41,033 things that you don't normally see are items 1973 01:43:41,166 --> 01:43:42,734 that happen in the background. 1974 01:43:43,734 --> 01:43:47,500 We often are part of the project delivery process 1975 01:43:48,066 --> 01:43:49,567 and what we call DVF 1976 01:43:49,667 --> 01:43:53,734 or design field views where we go out at certain stages 1977 01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:55,266 of project development. 1978 01:43:55,734 --> 01:43:58,000 For example, a bridge is going to be replaced 1979 01:43:58,500 --> 01:44:00,867 and we meet with PennDOT 1980 01:44:01,467 --> 01:44:04,100 and the municipality to see what the concerns are. 1981 01:44:04,467 --> 01:44:06,300 So we are often out in the field doing that. 1982 01:44:07,066 --> 01:44:11,634 But we're also a participant in the SCAC process as well 1983 01:44:11,667 --> 01:44:14,133 as other projects that may be emerging. 1984 01:44:14,900 --> 01:44:17,867 So we might have a municipality that wants 1985 01:44:17,934 --> 01:44:22,000 to develop a project but they need help with the scope 1986 01:44:22,667 --> 01:44:25,500 or they need data, for example, crash data. 1987 01:44:25,567 --> 01:44:30,100 So we try to make ourselves as available as much as we are. 1988 01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:32,567 Next slide, 1989 01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:35,066 - Hey, be before end gets off. 1990 01:44:35,066 --> 01:44:38,333 That for those of you who are new, those things we have 1991 01:44:38,333 --> 01:44:40,333 to do are not things that we think we have to do. 1992 01:44:40,467 --> 01:44:44,066 Those are things that the federal government requires us 1993 01:44:44,066 --> 01:44:47,500 to do when they established NPOs in order to be eligible 1994 01:44:47,634 --> 01:44:49,000 for our formula funding. 1995 01:44:49,634 --> 01:44:52,934 So we have to do them if we want to get any 1996 01:44:52,934 --> 01:44:57,000 of the funds we need to spend money on our projects. 1997 01:44:57,033 --> 01:45:00,100 So just a clarification. Yeah, sure. 1998 01:45:00,100 --> 01:45:02,367 That's, that's, that's a have and capitals for a reason. 1999 01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:08,533 - Yes. So a couple 2000 01:45:08,533 --> 01:45:10,033 of things we want to do. 2001 01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,066 You can see here we have bicycle and transit planning. 2002 01:45:14,567 --> 01:45:18,233 So as you know, my primary role is active transportation 2003 01:45:18,433 --> 01:45:22,467 plan related work and Greg's role is transit. 2004 01:45:22,700 --> 01:45:25,066 So we spend, we're kind of like specialists 2005 01:45:25,066 --> 01:45:28,100 where we spend a lot of time with stakeholders, 2006 01:45:28,033 --> 01:45:30,767 project development, responding to requests 2007 01:45:31,333 --> 01:45:35,834 or in Greg's case, reviewing land development plans 2008 01:45:36,100 --> 01:45:37,367 as they are submitted. 2009 01:45:38,667 --> 01:45:43,133 We also have made a commitment to buy annual 2010 01:45:43,934 --> 01:45:45,100 outreach to the municipalities. 2011 01:45:45,066 --> 01:45:47,000 This is part of our strategic plan. 2012 01:45:47,266 --> 01:45:48,367 This is not required, 2013 01:45:48,900 --> 01:45:51,066 but this is something that we feel is important 2014 01:45:51,300 --> 01:45:53,367 because we, those are the conversations 2015 01:45:53,367 --> 01:45:55,367 where we get project development started. 2016 01:45:56,166 --> 01:45:58,767 We know it's very difficult to get to our meetings 2017 01:45:59,166 --> 01:46:02,867 and if we make ourselves available, we want to be able 2018 01:46:02,900 --> 01:46:06,300 to help our municipalities in in any way we can. 2019 01:46:07,500 --> 01:46:09,500 The projects committee is another example 2020 01:46:09,667 --> 01:46:12,066 of project development that is something 2021 01:46:12,066 --> 01:46:14,834 that has been locally supported the last couple of years 2022 01:46:15,567 --> 01:46:17,333 to fund Marcella's position 2023 01:46:18,133 --> 01:46:21,066 and work with municipalities 2024 01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:25,133 and develop project prioritization methods. 2025 01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,500 And of course, as previously mentioned, working 2026 01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:33,500 to do other projects as municipalities may need assistance. 2027 01:46:34,100 --> 01:46:37,233 Supplemental planning are those kind of projects that are 2028 01:46:37,533 --> 01:46:39,700 outside staff's ability to do, 2029 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,567 don't necessarily have the technical expertise, 2030 01:46:43,033 --> 01:46:47,133 but we can ask for financial assistance through the UPWP 2031 01:46:47,834 --> 01:46:49,233 to retain a consultant 2032 01:46:49,867 --> 01:46:52,133 to get those planning documents completed. 2033 01:46:53,333 --> 01:46:56,033 And then of course, we're always looking at data at tools 2034 01:46:56,166 --> 01:46:59,300 and how can we better support our members. 2035 01:47:00,066 --> 01:47:03,834 And we have some abilities in terms of in-house abilities. 2036 01:47:03,934 --> 01:47:06,233 For example, REACH is working on fun 2037 01:47:06,867 --> 01:47:08,000 functional classification. 2038 01:47:08,467 --> 01:47:12,100 We have Steve who has updated our crash dashboard 2039 01:47:13,467 --> 01:47:17,066 and we want to look at other items that we can do in terms 2040 01:47:17,066 --> 01:47:21,300 of we can get trained to help with future projects. 2041 01:47:23,100 --> 01:47:27,233 Next slide. So the general schedule here is 2042 01:47:27,867 --> 01:47:32,100 you had a presentation in June for the 2043 01:47:33,133 --> 01:47:36,734 priorities and we received the guidance from 2044 01:47:36,834 --> 01:47:37,834 PennDOT in July. 2045 01:47:38,333 --> 01:47:42,000 So we reviewed that and determined, like I had said 2046 01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:45,066 before, not a lot had to be changed in terms 2047 01:47:45,100 --> 01:47:46,233 of how we operate. 2048 01:47:48,266 --> 01:47:51,233 What we have here today is a draft. 2049 01:47:52,834 --> 01:47:55,734 Feel free to comment on it if you, if there's something 2050 01:47:55,734 --> 01:47:58,133 that you have a question on or whatever, that's fine. 2051 01:47:58,734 --> 01:48:03,300 We have to submit this to Federal Highway and FFTA. 2052 01:48:03,767 --> 01:48:07,467 They have a 45 day required review period 2053 01:48:08,100 --> 01:48:12,100 and that is basically fri this Friday in order to meet 2054 01:48:13,033 --> 01:48:15,767 a November adoption date. 2055 01:48:17,767 --> 01:48:21,467 January is kind of like we're something fails 2056 01:48:21,734 --> 01:48:23,133 and we need to have a meeting. 2057 01:48:23,734 --> 01:48:27,467 We really wanna avoid trying to do it in January since 2058 01:48:27,467 --> 01:48:29,834 that's not a typical meeting month for us. 2059 01:48:30,934 --> 01:48:35,634 So our goal here is, is November next slide. 2060 01:48:37,233 --> 01:48:40,100 So just to recap with supplemental planning studies, 2061 01:48:41,033 --> 01:48:43,066 I've already mentioned what we've been working on. 2062 01:48:43,567 --> 01:48:45,100 So we're looking ahead now. 2063 01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:49,133 And year one would be the, the Philipsburg 2064 01:48:50,066 --> 01:48:53,033 3 3 22 safety study. 2065 01:48:53,066 --> 01:48:57,567 This really had been a emerging concern from Philipsburg 2066 01:48:58,033 --> 01:48:59,734 shared by Rush Township 2067 01:49:00,367 --> 01:49:02,467 and was brought to light as part 2068 01:49:02,467 --> 01:49:04,533 of the active transportation plan process. 2069 01:49:05,834 --> 01:49:09,066 It was carried over into the long range transportation plan. 2070 01:49:09,934 --> 01:49:12,734 Historically, we don't do a year one and year two. 2071 01:49:13,133 --> 01:49:16,133 So Phillipsburg and Rush Township have been waiting 2072 01:49:16,300 --> 01:49:19,767 patiently for their turn that we put together a scope 2073 01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,066 and submit that for supplemental planning. 2074 01:49:22,367 --> 01:49:24,533 And that would be in the 2075 01:49:24,533 --> 01:49:27,934 20 27, 20 28 timeframe. 2076 01:49:29,300 --> 01:49:30,867 Year two is looking ahead, 2077 01:49:31,066 --> 01:49:33,567 but as I mentioned, we don't typically put a year two 2078 01:49:34,133 --> 01:49:38,066 in the document, but there has been interest expressed 2079 01:49:38,934 --> 01:49:41,333 to have a North Atherton Street corridor 2080 01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:46,367 basically study that would also look not only at 2081 01:49:47,500 --> 01:49:48,834 the transportation network 2082 01:49:49,166 --> 01:49:51,834 but the land uses that are along that corridor. 2083 01:49:53,033 --> 01:49:56,867 And then the other candidate projects are listed below just 2084 01:49:56,900 --> 01:50:00,133 for reference that we weren't doing this in isolation. 2085 01:50:01,233 --> 01:50:04,300 I should note one last thing with the fills 2086 01:50:04,300 --> 01:50:07,000 for Rush Township study, both Rush Township 2087 01:50:07,100 --> 01:50:11,867 and Phillipsburg have each committed $2,000 2088 01:50:12,133 --> 01:50:14,133 to advance this process, this project. 2089 01:50:15,734 --> 01:50:20,333 Okay, next, next slide. So threw a lot at you. 2090 01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:22,100 Do you have any questions? 2091 01:50:23,500 --> 01:50:27,333 - Yeah, before we open it up, just to that last slide, 2092 01:50:27,333 --> 01:50:28,533 it should also be noted 2093 01:50:28,533 --> 01:50:32,533 that there is no year two supplemental planning study 2094 01:50:33,634 --> 01:50:35,233 candidate listed in. 2095 01:50:36,100 --> 01:50:37,934 - Yes. - The, the draft 2096 01:50:37,934 --> 01:50:39,300 that was currently under consideration, 2097 01:50:40,467 --> 01:50:44,634 that one was put in there right along 2098 01:50:44,634 --> 01:50:46,266 with all the other potential candidates. 2099 01:50:46,634 --> 01:50:49,900 We, we have come a long way in that regard 2100 01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:52,433 'cause it wasn't that long ago we had maybe one 2101 01:50:52,433 --> 01:50:53,834 or two candidate projects. 2102 01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:57,467 But our success in getting those projects, 2103 01:50:58,066 --> 01:51:01,667 planning grants funded has probably led to a little bit more 2104 01:51:03,133 --> 01:51:07,867 interest in, in, in, in topics that, that we could, 2105 01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:12,066 we could secure funding for almost a victim 2106 01:51:12,100 --> 01:51:13,367 of our own success there. 2107 01:51:14,567 --> 01:51:17,300 Alright, again, this is a draft, we 2108 01:51:18,834 --> 01:51:20,934 talked about this over the summer. 2109 01:51:21,100 --> 01:51:25,700 That was an opportunity to provide big picture input, 2110 01:51:26,066 --> 01:51:29,033 anything missing, anything we shouldn't be working on. 2111 01:51:29,333 --> 01:51:31,567 In the interim, we've got the guidance we needed correct 2112 01:51:32,367 --> 01:51:33,367 to put the draft together. 2113 01:51:34,233 --> 01:51:38,533 So any comments from this group, suggestions 2114 01:51:38,834 --> 01:51:42,300 before we move to submitting it 2115 01:51:42,367 --> 01:51:44,500 and then seeing it again in November 2116 01:51:44,500 --> 01:51:45,867 hopefully and not January. 2117 01:51:47,133 --> 01:51:50,133 Looking in the room first, giving the folks online a chance. 2118 01:51:52,900 --> 01:51:54,333 Alright Joanne. 2119 01:51:54,734 --> 01:51:58,767 And if anybody online has a comment, just unmute 2120 01:51:58,900 --> 01:52:01,000 or raise your digital hand or something. 2121 01:52:01,634 --> 01:52:04,500 - Go ahead. So I attended the projects meeting on 2122 01:52:04,934 --> 01:52:08,700 August 5th, Theran, 2123 01:52:08,834 --> 01:52:11,000 the Ney Valley Transit came in number three 2124 01:52:12,867 --> 01:52:17,066 and we talked to the CCMPO staff afterwards 2125 01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:19,266 to find out why we didn't get more points 2126 01:52:19,333 --> 01:52:22,100 and we thought we were should have gotten, but, 2127 01:52:22,634 --> 01:52:26,700 and what I wanna do is just basically thank the CCMPO staff 2128 01:52:26,700 --> 01:52:29,834 for telling us where our deficiencies were so 2129 01:52:29,834 --> 01:52:32,834 that we can look ahead with whatever grants we go forward 2130 01:52:32,900 --> 01:52:36,734 that we should be able to have a better sense 2131 01:52:36,834 --> 01:52:39,233 of getting in a competitive grant process. 2132 01:52:40,367 --> 01:52:44,734 We've, this afternoon we added the needs, needs, benefits 2133 01:52:44,734 --> 01:52:47,100 as thing to our scope of work, which is one 2134 01:52:47,100 --> 01:52:49,000 of the big things that you said we were missing. 2135 01:52:49,700 --> 01:52:52,533 And next week we're going to be talking to 2136 01:52:53,467 --> 01:52:55,734 the grants administrator to look at 2137 01:52:55,734 --> 01:52:57,033 what our alternatives are. 2138 01:52:57,166 --> 01:53:00,066 So that is very, very helpful. I wanted to thank you. 2139 01:53:01,066 --> 01:53:02,333 - Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. 2140 01:53:02,333 --> 01:53:05,266 And I wish Marcello was here. She's online. Oh is she? 2141 01:53:05,767 --> 01:53:07,033 Okay, good. Then she can hear this. 2142 01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:10,333 This is one of the benefits 2143 01:53:10,867 --> 01:53:13,033 of establishing not only the projects committee, 2144 01:53:13,433 --> 01:53:17,767 but sound metrics for which to evaluate, you know, 2145 01:53:17,767 --> 01:53:19,567 competing projects. 2146 01:53:20,934 --> 01:53:22,033 Not only for that reason, 2147 01:53:22,467 --> 01:53:25,100 but for what the reason Joanne just mentioned, you know, how 2148 01:53:25,166 --> 01:53:28,000 how does our project become more competitive? 2149 01:53:28,033 --> 01:53:31,066 Because if it's not competitive within our own projects 2150 01:53:31,066 --> 01:53:34,066 committee, it's gonna be less competitive when we go 2151 01:53:34,066 --> 01:53:35,734 after those discretionary grants. 2152 01:53:35,900 --> 01:53:37,500 So I think it's a win-win. 2153 01:53:37,834 --> 01:53:41,333 I just want to tip my hat to this group for standing it up 2154 01:53:41,934 --> 01:53:45,367 to the municipalities for funding those staffing needed 2155 01:53:45,500 --> 01:53:46,700 for the projects committee 2156 01:53:47,066 --> 01:53:49,100 and then of course the projects committee itself 2157 01:53:49,166 --> 01:53:50,700 for the work they've done so far. 2158 01:53:52,333 --> 01:53:54,100 So go Paul, did you have a question? 2159 01:53:54,700 --> 01:53:58,000 I saw you appear momentarily. 2160 01:54:01,634 --> 01:54:03,533 Okay. Anybody else in the room? 2161 01:54:05,934 --> 01:54:08,333 Alright then. Thank you Ann. Thank you. 2162 01:54:08,834 --> 01:54:10,834 We'll see this again in November. Yes. 2163 01:54:11,033 --> 01:54:14,066 Hopefully none of us wanna come back in January. 2164 01:54:16,533 --> 01:54:20,166 So a actually this is a good segue into the budget 2165 01:54:20,166 --> 01:54:22,367 because a lot of 2166 01:54:22,367 --> 01:54:26,066 what you just saw is included in our next agenda item. 2167 01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:29,100 You know, we have to cost out what it, what it takes 2168 01:54:29,033 --> 01:54:30,500 to, to accomplish that. 2169 01:54:31,233 --> 01:54:33,066 So again, this is just a draft 2170 01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:40,767 taking comments, but I think we're gonna give Jim a chance 2171 01:54:41,667 --> 01:54:42,834 to present something tonight. 2172 01:54:42,867 --> 01:54:44,066 Is that correct? Yes. 2173 01:54:45,266 --> 01:54:49,867 - Alright. So again, if, if you haven't been here that long, 2174 01:54:50,166 --> 01:54:51,500 the way this process works, 2175 01:54:51,634 --> 01:54:54,734 the MPO doesn't actually approve the budget. 2176 01:54:56,433 --> 01:54:59,133 The portion that's funded through the COG goes 2177 01:54:59,133 --> 01:55:00,734 through the COG budgeting process. 2178 01:55:01,166 --> 01:55:03,667 The portion that's funded through Centre County goes 2179 01:55:03,667 --> 01:55:05,033 through their budgeting process 2180 01:55:05,667 --> 01:55:07,266 and that the staff level, we're trying 2181 01:55:07,266 --> 01:55:10,567 to tie this all together along with the UPWP, which is used 2182 01:55:10,567 --> 01:55:12,166 to administer the pen op funds. 2183 01:55:12,867 --> 01:55:15,767 So you've got three big chunks of this working together 2184 01:55:17,367 --> 01:55:21,834 with this overview, we're trying to give you just an idea of 2185 01:55:21,867 --> 01:55:23,133 how that all fits together. 2186 01:55:25,700 --> 01:55:30,133 If you've got particular direction, it may have to come 2187 01:55:30,133 --> 01:55:31,900 through one of those other processes, 2188 01:55:32,066 --> 01:55:34,734 but we do put it in front of you so that you're informed 2189 01:55:35,100 --> 01:55:37,900 and that you can offer comments on it to staff. 2190 01:55:38,467 --> 01:55:41,834 And so that when you get, if you're involved in 2191 01:55:41,834 --> 01:55:44,233 that process at one of those bodies to the point 2192 01:55:44,233 --> 01:55:46,033 where you're a acting in approval 2193 01:55:46,834 --> 01:55:48,500 or you're asked by somebody, that is, 2194 01:55:48,567 --> 01:55:51,000 you have the background to be able to answer some 2195 01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:55,033 of the questions part in terms aren't you, 2196 01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:56,033 of the, you're 2197 01:55:56,033 --> 01:55:58,934 - Part of that group that us, sorry Jim, 2198 01:55:59,033 --> 01:56:00,100 there's some members here 2199 01:56:00,100 --> 01:56:02,266 who actually will be in those roles. Yes, 2200 01:56:02,700 --> 01:56:04,500 - I was just, yeah, so you around the table 2201 01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,000 for both those bodies. So 2202 01:56:07,300 --> 01:56:09,767 - Find anybody who's on the finance committee per COG. 2203 01:56:11,033 --> 01:56:13,734 Also she, she used to answer all the questions. 2204 01:56:15,300 --> 01:56:16,333 I didn't hear what you said. I said 2205 01:56:16,333 --> 01:56:17,500 you get to answer all the questions. 2206 01:56:17,634 --> 01:56:18,634 Yeah. 2207 01:56:22,567 --> 01:56:25,066 - So some quick highlights from the current year budget, 2208 01:56:25,033 --> 01:56:28,333 but we have wrapped up the, the 20, 2209 01:56:29,266 --> 01:56:33,867 the Benner Pike quarter study and the passenger rail access. 2210 01:56:34,433 --> 01:56:36,333 We've got the safe streets for all 2211 01:56:39,734 --> 01:56:42,233 a study underway and just presented on that. 2212 01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,066 It doesn't really show up in our budget 2213 01:56:45,066 --> 01:56:47,367 because it's being administered through PennDOT, 2214 01:56:47,367 --> 01:56:49,033 but we'll talk about in a couple slides. 2215 01:56:49,500 --> 01:56:52,066 We've also been successful in getting funding 2216 01:56:52,033 --> 01:56:53,300 for a protect study. 2217 01:56:55,133 --> 01:56:59,233 Staff will act in that as more a stakeholder role it, 2218 01:57:00,700 --> 01:57:05,000 but because of the number of things we had on our plate, 2219 01:57:05,166 --> 01:57:06,834 we pushed that over to Pendot 2220 01:57:06,834 --> 01:57:08,133 and we're very grateful for their help 2221 01:57:08,133 --> 01:57:09,300 in administering the study. 2222 01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,233 We do have some things 2223 01:57:13,233 --> 01:57:15,033 that carry forward from previous years. 2224 01:57:15,133 --> 01:57:17,066 We set funding aside to help 2225 01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,767 to help us work on discretionary funding requests. 2226 01:57:21,367 --> 01:57:25,367 We have enough to push forward from 2026 into 2027. 2227 01:57:25,867 --> 01:57:29,300 We don't need to ask for more funding to refill those pots. 2228 01:57:29,867 --> 01:57:33,467 Likewise for that UPWP study that we're talking about 2229 01:57:34,100 --> 01:57:37,066 for 3 22, the local match that has 2230 01:57:37,066 --> 01:57:38,133 to come from Centre County 2231 01:57:38,567 --> 01:57:41,867 and from the COG, we've already funded that out 2232 01:57:41,867 --> 01:57:43,266 of the 2026 budget. 2233 01:57:43,700 --> 01:57:46,133 We'll just carry that forward into 2027. 2234 01:57:46,700 --> 01:57:48,033 So there's no new request. 2235 01:57:50,900 --> 01:57:53,700 We talked last year about funding 2236 01:57:54,100 --> 01:57:58,100 to have our consultant help us learn to use some 2237 01:57:58,100 --> 01:57:59,333 of the tools that are available to us 2238 01:57:59,634 --> 01:58:01,100 through the Rita platform 2239 01:58:01,433 --> 01:58:03,133 and potentially do a couple of updates 2240 01:58:03,333 --> 01:58:05,233 to the travel demand model. 2241 01:58:06,100 --> 01:58:08,500 We wanted to get into that in 2026. 2242 01:58:08,634 --> 01:58:10,634 It's looking more and more like, we'll have to push 2243 01:58:10,634 --> 01:58:12,100 that into 2027. 2244 01:58:13,133 --> 01:58:15,533 We're working on that as quickly as we can. 2245 01:58:17,333 --> 01:58:21,133 There's one new request as part of the budget process. 2246 01:58:21,500 --> 01:58:24,333 That's for six bite counters 2247 01:58:24,433 --> 01:58:26,333 and the software necessary to support them. 2248 01:58:26,867 --> 01:58:31,133 There are, there are 2249 01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:36,000 some funding increases included in this, even though 2250 01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:39,066 as you'll see, our total expenditures go down 2251 01:58:40,100 --> 01:58:42,500 and we do anticipate being able 2252 01:58:42,500 --> 01:58:45,000 to continue discretionary funding applications. 2253 01:58:46,266 --> 01:58:48,467 That's going. The opportunities for that are going 2254 01:58:48,467 --> 01:58:50,300 to be tied up with reauthorization. 2255 01:58:51,033 --> 01:58:54,000 We're currently in an extension that runs through, 2256 01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:55,133 I think December 11th. 2257 01:58:56,266 --> 01:58:58,033 We'll see what happens after that. 2258 01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:00,100 Is there a new highway bill passed 2259 01:59:00,066 --> 01:59:03,867 or do we work with another extension of the current bill 2260 01:59:04,066 --> 01:59:08,066 that will help set the priorities moving forward 2261 01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:10,033 for discretionary funding applications? 2262 01:59:10,634 --> 01:59:15,533 Next slide please. This is just a, 2263 01:59:16,100 --> 01:59:18,433 a deeper look at, at what we've been doing 2264 01:59:18,667 --> 01:59:20,100 with those supplemental planning funds. 2265 01:59:20,166 --> 01:59:23,100 You can see the amount that we spent there on Benner Pike 2266 01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:24,433 and the rail access study. 2267 01:59:25,133 --> 01:59:28,266 What we plan to spend on the 3 22 safety study 2268 01:59:28,333 --> 01:59:31,834 that includes the local match that Ann called out pledged 2269 01:59:31,834 --> 01:59:33,834 by the Shannon Valley municipalities. 2270 01:59:34,266 --> 01:59:38,133 And the amount set aside for the, the training 2271 01:59:38,033 --> 01:59:41,166 and travel demand model updates out of local funding. 2272 01:59:42,100 --> 01:59:47,033 Excellent. For the discretionary funding 2273 01:59:47,300 --> 01:59:51,000 efforts so far we've netted about 2274 01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:52,066 a million and a half dollars. 2275 01:59:52,567 --> 01:59:56,500 That's mostly in protect funds and safe streets for all. 2276 01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:01,100 There is an award out there for additional safety funding 2277 02:00:01,834 --> 02:00:06,767 to look at applying safety devices to EMS vehicles 2278 02:00:07,133 --> 02:00:11,333 and police vehicles and can correct me if I'm wrong, 2279 02:00:11,433 --> 02:00:13,367 but my understanding of that is that the, 2280 02:00:14,166 --> 02:00:15,634 the award has been made, 2281 02:00:15,667 --> 02:00:18,133 but there's been no steps forward from the federal side 2282 02:00:18,166 --> 02:00:21,700 for the agreement necessary to actually put that in place. 2283 02:00:22,433 --> 02:00:27,100 So we know we're gonna get it. It hasn't moved forward yet. 2284 02:00:29,233 --> 02:00:32,367 We did submit a grant for the bill program 2285 02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:36,333 for South Atherton Street for phase four, which is on the 2286 02:00:37,133 --> 02:00:38,166 newly adopted tip. 2287 02:00:38,567 --> 02:00:40,033 We were not successful in that. 2288 02:00:40,100 --> 02:00:43,500 We got some good feedback recently from the evaluation team. 2289 02:00:44,333 --> 02:00:47,500 So we'll continue to work on that. 2290 02:00:47,500 --> 02:00:50,500 That will inform future application efforts if that's 2291 02:00:50,500 --> 02:00:51,700 what we put in for. 2292 02:00:51,734 --> 02:00:54,166 Again. Next slide please. 2293 02:00:57,066 --> 02:00:59,333 As far as discretionary funding opportunities, 2294 02:00:59,433 --> 02:01:01,266 what we think might become available, 2295 02:01:02,100 --> 02:01:04,166 Ann's talked a little bit about what might come out 2296 02:01:04,166 --> 02:01:05,367 of the safe streets for all. 2297 02:01:08,467 --> 02:01:11,467 We hope to get far enough with the 3 22 study that 2298 02:01:11,467 --> 02:01:14,567 that leads to some implement implementable projects. 2299 02:01:15,100 --> 02:01:18,033 We know that the 45 study for the 2300 02:01:19,133 --> 02:01:21,634 safety needs identified independently 2301 02:01:21,634 --> 02:01:25,467 of the SCAC on the 45 corridor is moving forward. 2302 02:01:27,233 --> 02:01:29,333 We think there will be some implementable 2303 02:01:29,500 --> 02:01:30,734 projects that come out of that. 2304 02:01:30,734 --> 02:01:32,133 So we want to keep it on the radar. 2305 02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:34,867 We talked about resilient routes. 2306 02:01:35,066 --> 02:01:39,100 Atherton Street, I guess I'd also note 2307 02:01:39,500 --> 02:01:42,000 that we have the, a 2308 02:01:43,133 --> 02:01:44,500 Carbon reduction Program 2309 02:01:45,133 --> 02:01:47,734 project over on the branch road 2310 02:01:47,734 --> 02:01:49,300 intersections at Whitehall Road. 2311 02:01:50,166 --> 02:01:54,333 Well, Atherton Street with Branch Road and Whitehall Road 2312 02:01:54,333 --> 02:01:55,734 and University Drive. 2313 02:01:58,233 --> 02:02:01,033 It's looking like there's an opportunity to put a little bit 2314 02:02:01,033 --> 02:02:05,000 of additional funding into that for signal improvements, 2315 02:02:05,300 --> 02:02:07,467 especially if we want to get some of the work done 2316 02:02:08,033 --> 02:02:10,266 that we're seeing at the Whitehall road intersection. 2317 02:02:10,834 --> 02:02:12,533 So those are some of the things that are kind 2318 02:02:12,533 --> 02:02:14,867 of hovering on the horizon that we might see 2319 02:02:15,567 --> 02:02:20,266 putting applications in for depending on 2320 02:02:20,266 --> 02:02:23,667 what comes out of this reauthorization or extension effort. 2321 02:02:24,767 --> 02:02:25,767 Next slide. 2322 02:02:28,266 --> 02:02:31,467 - The Resilient Road Route study 2323 02:02:31,533 --> 02:02:32,734 is, I don't know what that is. 2324 02:02:33,300 --> 02:02:35,900 - Okay, so that is a countywide study. 2325 02:02:38,033 --> 02:02:39,033 We started going 2326 02:02:39,233 --> 02:02:44,033 after a discretionary 2327 02:02:44,033 --> 02:02:49,066 portion of protect funds and weren't successful in that, 2328 02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:50,567 but we were successful in going 2329 02:02:50,567 --> 02:02:53,066 after a statewide allocation of it. 2330 02:02:53,433 --> 02:02:54,767 So it's the same funds, 2331 02:02:54,867 --> 02:02:56,533 but it was allocated at the state level. 2332 02:02:58,233 --> 02:03:01,367 They've allowed us funding 2333 02:03:01,667 --> 02:03:06,433 to look at Centre County on a county-wide basis, identify 2334 02:03:07,100 --> 02:03:10,867 areas where we've had repetitive closures. 2335 02:03:11,367 --> 02:03:15,734 So some of the things that come up frequently are 2336 02:03:16,433 --> 02:03:19,533 the Hannan Valley corridor around Hannan Creek, 2337 02:03:22,834 --> 02:03:25,634 Penns Creek, down on the, the southeastern portion 2338 02:03:25,667 --> 02:03:30,033 of the county storm water based flooding on College Avenue. 2339 02:03:30,634 --> 02:03:32,266 And then some of the flooding instances 2340 02:03:32,266 --> 02:03:34,900 that we've had along the Bald Eagle Creek corridor. 2341 02:03:36,033 --> 02:03:39,100 Look at those closures in more detail. 2342 02:03:40,033 --> 02:03:44,166 Identify what we think the, the, the causes of those were. 2343 02:03:44,266 --> 02:03:46,033 So for instance, with the, 2344 02:03:47,500 --> 02:03:49,667 with the Bald Eagle flooding a few years ago, 2345 02:03:49,934 --> 02:03:51,100 they did an analysis 2346 02:03:51,100 --> 02:03:55,533 and identified that there was a, a low capacity pipe 2347 02:03:55,533 --> 02:03:56,867 underneath the railroad 2348 02:03:56,900 --> 02:03:59,033 and that may have contributed to some of the flooding. 2349 02:03:59,433 --> 02:04:01,867 They were able to develop plants to replace that 2350 02:04:01,867 --> 02:04:03,100 with a larger culvert. 2351 02:04:03,133 --> 02:04:06,734 We want to repeat that process for other 2352 02:04:07,300 --> 02:04:09,000 areas in the county. 2353 02:04:09,834 --> 02:04:11,066 Identify potential projects 2354 02:04:11,066 --> 02:04:15,567 that will address the root causes of this repeated flooding 2355 02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:17,867 so that the, the projects. 2356 02:04:21,834 --> 02:04:25,333 So that should the Protect discretionary funding program 2357 02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:30,066 continue, we've got some strong competitive projects queued 2358 02:04:30,066 --> 02:04:31,100 up to put in for it. 2359 02:04:31,900 --> 02:04:35,066 So the idea was to spend a little bit of money 2360 02:04:35,133 --> 02:04:37,934 to get from the stage where we know there's flooding, 2361 02:04:39,033 --> 02:04:42,634 but get through the, the questions of what do we do about it 2362 02:04:42,634 --> 02:04:45,433 and how do we permit, what do we move forward, what's the, 2363 02:04:45,734 --> 02:04:47,133 the funding actually needed? 2364 02:04:47,033 --> 02:04:49,133 Kind of get to the nuts and bolts of the project 2365 02:04:49,500 --> 02:04:51,500 so we can build a fundable application. 2366 02:04:53,834 --> 02:04:58,033 So hopefully this project will result in a list 2367 02:04:58,033 --> 02:05:01,100 of prioritized projects that we can put forward 2368 02:05:01,033 --> 02:05:03,634 for implementation using state 2369 02:05:03,634 --> 02:05:05,500 and federal sources in the future. 2370 02:05:07,734 --> 02:05:09,700 We're just getting started in that process. 2371 02:05:09,934 --> 02:05:12,100 It's been an awful long runway to get it off the ground, 2372 02:05:12,867 --> 02:05:15,333 but we are excited about where it's gonna take us. 2373 02:05:16,333 --> 02:05:17,567 Thank you. Sure. 2374 02:05:19,834 --> 02:05:23,667 Again, our, our sig e request for this year was 2375 02:05:23,767 --> 02:05:25,900 for six bike counters. 2376 02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:28,834 We wanted movable counters so 2377 02:05:28,834 --> 02:05:31,667 that we could set them up at different locations. 2378 02:05:35,166 --> 02:05:38,266 Right now, you know, we know that our, 2379 02:05:38,367 --> 02:05:42,133 our trails in the the Centre Region are well used, 2380 02:05:42,500 --> 02:05:45,066 but it's just anecdotal evidence. 2381 02:05:45,033 --> 02:05:49,033 We wanted to provide a, a backstop capability in the region 2382 02:05:50,066 --> 02:05:53,900 so that if a municipality wants to provide annual 2383 02:05:54,133 --> 02:05:58,100 or even seasonal counts to put some numbers on 2384 02:05:58,100 --> 02:06:01,066 that the capability exists in the local area. 2385 02:06:02,333 --> 02:06:06,000 Likewise for the outlying areas, if they've got a facility, 2386 02:06:06,233 --> 02:06:08,634 you know, a roadway or even a partial trail that 2387 02:06:10,433 --> 02:06:13,000 they think there's demand for it, 2388 02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:15,100 they think there's some use in the area, 2389 02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:17,634 but they need to get a counter on it to help build support 2390 02:06:17,634 --> 02:06:19,934 for the application that we'd provide 2391 02:06:19,934 --> 02:06:22,100 that capability without them necessarily having 2392 02:06:22,100 --> 02:06:23,133 to go to a consultant. 2393 02:06:23,700 --> 02:06:27,634 So the, again, it goes back to the idea, the UPWP, 2394 02:06:27,634 --> 02:06:31,133 that we want to bring actual data into the planning process. 2395 02:06:32,066 --> 02:06:34,500 This is where the capability comes from. 2396 02:06:36,533 --> 02:06:38,433 We did look at a couple of different ways 2397 02:06:38,500 --> 02:06:39,934 to provide this capability. 2398 02:06:39,934 --> 02:06:42,066 Whether we could Borough, whether we could partner 2399 02:06:42,066 --> 02:06:43,033 with someone else for it, 2400 02:06:43,033 --> 02:06:46,500 or whether we could just work through a consultant far 2401 02:06:46,533 --> 02:06:49,567 and away that the most effective way to do this is 2402 02:06:49,634 --> 02:06:51,266 to purchase the six counters 2403 02:06:51,367 --> 02:06:54,000 and the, the license for the software wired. 2404 02:06:55,467 --> 02:06:59,133 So that is our request working through my understanding is 2405 02:06:59,133 --> 02:07:02,133 that the finance committee approved that as part of the, 2406 02:07:02,734 --> 02:07:06,266 of their recommendation for the general forum so that 2407 02:07:06,266 --> 02:07:09,333 that request is moving forward as part of the budget. 2408 02:07:09,834 --> 02:07:11,500 - Oh, Jen? - Yes sir. Oh, 2409 02:07:11,500 --> 02:07:12,734 - The committee rejected it, 2410 02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:16,667 but I do believe one of the townships is rescinding their, 2411 02:07:17,033 --> 02:07:18,567 - One of the townships - Voted, but, 2412 02:07:18,567 --> 02:07:21,166 but it was, it was by the committee shot it down. 2413 02:07:21,634 --> 02:07:24,667 - But, but when they, - I know that I heard, 2414 02:07:25,467 --> 02:07:26,467 - I just wanna make - Clear. 2415 02:07:26,700 --> 02:07:28,133 So, you know, some people have no ballot. 2416 02:07:29,266 --> 02:07:33,734 - Our, our representative voted incorrectly, so we asked you 2417 02:07:33,867 --> 02:07:35,066 - To leave vote. Anyway, that's, that's 2418 02:07:35,066 --> 02:07:36,066 - A whole nother story. 2419 02:07:38,033 --> 02:07:39,500 Hey, I have an update on that. 2420 02:07:40,266 --> 02:07:42,567 So I was in executive committee today 2421 02:07:42,634 --> 02:07:47,100 and I actually amended the motion, the recommended motion 2422 02:07:47,233 --> 02:07:49,133 to include those counters. 2423 02:07:49,367 --> 02:07:50,867 It was, it was something 2424 02:07:50,867 --> 02:07:52,266 that the committee did discuss today. 2425 02:07:52,367 --> 02:07:55,867 So that is moving forward now to the municipalities 2426 02:07:56,133 --> 02:07:58,033 with the counters in itself, 2427 02:07:58,700 --> 02:08:00,500 - But it was not a unanimous vote. 2428 02:08:01,100 --> 02:08:04,533 So there may be spirited discussion when the budget hits the 2429 02:08:04,533 --> 02:08:06,367 municipalities over that particular item. 2430 02:08:07,100 --> 02:08:08,467 Fair to say, very 2431 02:08:08,467 --> 02:08:09,467 - Fair. 2432 02:08:09,734 --> 02:08:12,100 Might, might, might need to come to general for it, but 2433 02:08:13,433 --> 02:08:14,433 - Fair enough. 2434 02:08:14,433 --> 02:08:16,066 We appreciate it. And it kinda underlies 2435 02:08:16,066 --> 02:08:18,500 what we were saying earlier, that this is a complex process 2436 02:08:18,734 --> 02:08:19,934 with a lot of moving pieces. 2437 02:08:20,700 --> 02:08:22,934 Again, what we're trying to do is make sure that, 2438 02:08:23,500 --> 02:08:25,033 that you have as much information 2439 02:08:25,367 --> 02:08:28,033 as we can provide as we're working through that. That's 2440 02:08:28,033 --> 02:08:29,033 - Fair. 2441 02:08:29,033 --> 02:08:29,734 Automatically said. 2442 02:08:32,266 --> 02:08:34,734 - And of course sure that would come from the county. 2443 02:08:35,133 --> 02:08:37,700 So there's lots of discussion yet to be had 2444 02:08:38,266 --> 02:08:40,500 Since I'm the chair, I'm gonna exercise my 2445 02:08:40,500 --> 02:08:41,533 prerogative here, the floor. 2446 02:08:41,867 --> 02:08:44,266 I want to reiterate what, what Jim said. 2447 02:08:44,300 --> 02:08:48,300 A few different words we felt in supporting this. 2448 02:08:48,734 --> 02:08:51,300 It was absolutely critical to have that data 2449 02:08:51,433 --> 02:08:52,700 to be competitive, 2450 02:08:54,433 --> 02:08:57,734 to be competitive in the discretionary grant applications, 2451 02:08:57,834 --> 02:08:59,700 to do any kind of expanding 2452 02:08:59,867 --> 02:09:04,734 or installation of bike amenities in today's world. 2453 02:09:05,166 --> 02:09:07,100 And as Jim noted, we could get 2454 02:09:07,100 --> 02:09:09,266 that data from hiring a consultant, 2455 02:09:10,433 --> 02:09:12,634 but Jim said it would be more efficient, 2456 02:09:12,634 --> 02:09:16,033 it would be far more cost effective to buy this. 2457 02:09:16,734 --> 02:09:18,567 No offense to our friends at Michael Baker. 2458 02:09:18,567 --> 02:09:20,033 They've done some good work for us. 2459 02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:23,300 But this appeared to be a more cost effective way 2460 02:09:23,433 --> 02:09:27,300 to gather the data we thought we needed to be competitive. 2461 02:09:29,767 --> 02:09:30,767 Alright, Jim, 2462 02:09:32,166 --> 02:09:33,767 - They count, they count scooters. 2463 02:09:34,133 --> 02:09:36,467 - Oh, counterpoint. - They count scooters. 2464 02:09:36,634 --> 02:09:38,367 - What's that? - Do they count scooters? 2465 02:09:41,033 --> 02:09:41,367 - Just checking. 2466 02:09:46,100 --> 02:09:47,233 - All right, so this is a, 2467 02:09:47,634 --> 02:09:49,767 a quick look at the top line numbers. 2468 02:09:54,266 --> 02:09:56,367 Our total spending is in line 2469 02:09:56,433 --> 02:09:58,133 or a little bit lower than last year. 2470 02:09:59,266 --> 02:10:02,133 As always, insurance costs drive some of the increase. 2471 02:10:05,266 --> 02:10:08,133 Some of what you're seeing here as well is that there's a a, 2472 02:10:08,367 --> 02:10:10,033 a decrease in special projects. 2473 02:10:10,100 --> 02:10:13,100 We're not going after two studies this year. 2474 02:10:13,700 --> 02:10:16,533 So more of the, even though the number's a little bit lower, 2475 02:10:16,634 --> 02:10:18,300 more of that's made up of our own costs. 2476 02:10:20,033 --> 02:10:23,066 I also want to call out the increase in contracted services. 2477 02:10:23,433 --> 02:10:27,367 That's a number that we put on the in-kind labor 2478 02:10:28,033 --> 02:10:29,634 provided by the Centre County Planning 2479 02:10:29,900 --> 02:10:31,266 and Community Development Office. 2480 02:10:31,734 --> 02:10:36,634 That's reaches time on staff, that's Ray Salinas 2481 02:10:36,734 --> 02:10:40,700 and Liz LO's Time as they work on related materials 2482 02:10:41,133 --> 02:10:43,233 and the the time of the GIS staff 2483 02:10:43,433 --> 02:10:47,133 as they're working on the HPMS data collection compared 2484 02:10:47,133 --> 02:10:50,033 to previous years, we're seeing a lot more hours. 2485 02:10:50,133 --> 02:10:53,133 We can then go and reimburse or go 2486 02:10:53,133 --> 02:10:56,066 and request reimbursement from that time for PennDOT. 2487 02:10:57,367 --> 02:11:01,266 But really what it's doing is leveraging the efforts 2488 02:11:01,266 --> 02:11:02,700 of the staff that we have here. 2489 02:11:03,166 --> 02:11:05,033 We're really happy to see that team effort. 2490 02:11:05,900 --> 02:11:08,300 If you haven't looked at, looked at some of the projects 2491 02:11:08,300 --> 02:11:09,500 that REACH has put together, 2492 02:11:10,133 --> 02:11:13,000 either summarizing the Liquid fuels efforts 2493 02:11:13,233 --> 02:11:15,000 or some of the tools she's put together 2494 02:11:16,033 --> 02:11:19,934 to support the federal functional classification revisions, 2495 02:11:20,467 --> 02:11:24,133 please do so and you'll see the value of this contribution 2496 02:11:25,066 --> 02:11:26,100 placed right in front of you. 2497 02:11:26,233 --> 02:11:28,533 So I I I just wanted to call out that 2498 02:11:29,433 --> 02:11:31,033 we've really been seeing the benefits of 2499 02:11:31,033 --> 02:11:32,033 that in this budget process 2500 02:11:32,333 --> 02:11:35,033 and to, to say thank you for the counting, for taking 2501 02:11:35,066 --> 02:11:37,000 that approach and continuing to be 2502 02:11:38,033 --> 02:11:40,066 just taking such a team approach in that 2503 02:11:41,767 --> 02:11:46,033 for the revenue sides, the changes are in line 2504 02:11:46,033 --> 02:11:47,266 with the expenditures 2505 02:11:49,433 --> 02:11:52,934 and is working diligently to finish safe Streets for all. 2506 02:11:53,734 --> 02:11:55,767 When that's done, it may drop off 2507 02:11:55,767 --> 02:11:57,100 both sides of the equation. 2508 02:11:57,133 --> 02:11:59,000 So revenues and expenditures 2509 02:12:01,900 --> 02:12:05,166 and again, is, there's less special project funding than 2510 02:12:05,166 --> 02:12:08,000 that translates to an increase for the county 2511 02:12:08,033 --> 02:12:11,867 and Centre Region contributions even if your total number 2512 02:12:11,934 --> 02:12:13,867 stays the same or goes down a little bit. 2513 02:12:14,500 --> 02:12:18,000 So that is just a thumbnail sketch. 2514 02:12:20,033 --> 02:12:23,166 If you, one step back again sure. 2515 02:12:23,634 --> 02:12:26,667 If, if you look at that top line number, that's 2516 02:12:26,667 --> 02:12:28,233 what we expect to get from PennDOT 2517 02:12:28,333 --> 02:12:29,767 and what we're required 2518 02:12:29,834 --> 02:12:32,467 to put in is a 10% local match to that. 2519 02:12:33,166 --> 02:12:36,500 And if you're doing back of the envelope math, 2520 02:12:36,567 --> 02:12:37,700 we're actually matching 2521 02:12:37,700 --> 02:12:39,700 that something like two to one or three to one. 2522 02:12:40,266 --> 02:12:43,166 So that, that represents the value 2523 02:12:43,166 --> 02:12:45,133 of the local contribution to this. 2524 02:12:45,100 --> 02:12:47,233 And we really appreciate that 2525 02:12:47,233 --> 02:12:52,033 because that is what makes it possible for us to go 2526 02:12:52,033 --> 02:12:55,467 after discretionary funding applications for us 2527 02:12:55,533 --> 02:12:57,867 to do things like this municipal outreach 2528 02:12:57,867 --> 02:12:59,300 where we literally go out 2529 02:12:59,333 --> 02:13:01,767 and meet with all 35 municipalities. 2530 02:13:03,100 --> 02:13:05,233 M MPOs don't have the ability to go out 2531 02:13:05,233 --> 02:13:07,900 and have that kinda local level contribution. 2532 02:13:08,033 --> 02:13:11,266 So it's the support of the, the budgeting partners 2533 02:13:11,700 --> 02:13:13,133 that makes that possible. 2534 02:13:13,133 --> 02:13:15,033 And I wanna make sure that I say thank you for 2535 02:13:15,033 --> 02:13:16,300 that in this process. 2536 02:13:17,433 --> 02:13:18,700 Any questions about this? 2537 02:13:19,934 --> 02:13:22,667 - I've go to the next slide before we open up for questions. 2538 02:13:23,500 --> 02:13:25,700 It's a good segue into our next agenda item. 2539 02:13:26,300 --> 02:13:30,300 'cause Ann mentioned that previous, he mentioned outreach 2540 02:13:30,300 --> 02:13:32,767 to municipalities and what Jim just mentioned 2541 02:13:33,333 --> 02:13:35,767 and I just wanna make sure everybody heard him that 2542 02:13:37,033 --> 02:13:41,567 not too many, if any MPOs do that can do that, 2543 02:13:42,133 --> 02:13:43,233 that level of outreach. 2544 02:13:43,266 --> 02:13:46,300 How many municipalities? 35 municipalities. Alright. 2545 02:13:46,634 --> 02:13:49,834 Even if you just sent one staff person to each one of them 2546 02:13:49,900 --> 02:13:51,700 for a couple of hours, I mean, do the math 2547 02:13:52,033 --> 02:13:54,767 and it's generally oftentimes more than 2548 02:13:54,834 --> 02:13:56,000 one and then there's travel. 2549 02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:01,500 But that's pretty significant. So questions on the budget? 2550 02:14:02,867 --> 02:14:04,033 Again, it is what it is. 2551 02:14:04,900 --> 02:14:07,233 We aren't the determining factors, but it's not a 2552 02:14:07,333 --> 02:14:09,100 - Question on the budget, but I think you've already said 2553 02:14:09,100 --> 02:14:12,634 this, these presentations will be provided Yes. 2554 02:14:12,834 --> 02:14:15,333 This committee. Okay. Just wanted to confirm 2555 02:14:16,133 --> 02:14:18,333 - Yeah, each one, even if we didn't ask for it, 2556 02:14:18,333 --> 02:14:20,567 if we could get the PowerPoints out to everybody. 2557 02:14:21,700 --> 02:14:23,533 - Hey Eric, I, I just a comment from, 2558 02:14:23,533 --> 02:14:25,934 from our budget sessions, I, this one was 2559 02:14:26,367 --> 02:14:28,567 fairly simple. 2560 02:14:30,066 --> 02:14:33,100 The committee really appreciated over the years of, 2561 02:14:33,634 --> 02:14:34,834 of adding personnel 2562 02:14:34,900 --> 02:14:38,333 that have brought more money in than it costs us 2563 02:14:38,634 --> 02:14:40,066 to pay for those individuals. 2564 02:14:40,567 --> 02:14:45,300 And I believe the only thing that is left on yours 2565 02:14:45,300 --> 02:14:47,266 that I I don't think we're worried about is, 2566 02:14:47,467 --> 02:14:50,467 is the fund balance. 2567 02:14:50,867 --> 02:14:53,033 And I, and I think we're gonna let that set for a year 2568 02:14:53,033 --> 02:14:55,567 as a committee to let it equalize out. 2569 02:14:55,567 --> 02:14:57,634 But I don't think the MPO fund balance 2570 02:14:57,667 --> 02:14:58,767 is in that bad of shape. 2571 02:14:59,333 --> 02:15:01,066 So I think we're good there, but, 2572 02:15:01,233 --> 02:15:03,033 but I, I think overall we were pretty 2573 02:15:03,033 --> 02:15:04,066 pleased with his budget. 2574 02:15:05,300 --> 02:15:08,934 - Well that's good news coming from representatives 2575 02:15:09,433 --> 02:15:12,100 who are responsible for funding about a third of our budget. 2576 02:15:12,166 --> 02:15:14,266 So Thank you Frank. 2577 02:15:15,033 --> 02:15:17,000 Jeremy, are you the fi finance comm you're exec. 2578 02:15:17,333 --> 02:15:18,500 - Exactly. We don't, 2579 02:15:18,567 --> 02:15:22,934 we don't let we Good stuff. 2580 02:15:24,166 --> 02:15:26,367 - Hi, you are Patton's finance committee rep. I'm, 2581 02:15:26,900 --> 02:15:27,900 - Yeah, I'm Pat. 2582 02:15:27,900 --> 02:15:29,233 - Yeah. Are you the finance committee rep? 2583 02:15:29,734 --> 02:15:31,634 - Yes. Okay. Yes. I'm 2584 02:15:31,767 --> 02:15:32,767 - Alright. 2585 02:15:32,767 --> 02:15:34,734 And we have the county's finance committee rep here, so, 2586 02:15:36,734 --> 02:15:37,867 well we have to both of them. 2587 02:15:38,066 --> 02:15:41,834 Right? And she's still Amber's still on. 2588 02:15:42,133 --> 02:15:46,000 Alright, any other questions? Thank you Jim. 2589 02:15:46,066 --> 02:15:47,533 Good segue into what you did. 2590 02:15:47,634 --> 02:15:50,700 The last thing you mentioned, which I think Greg, 2591 02:15:50,900 --> 02:15:52,266 are you gonna talk a little bit about 2592 02:15:52,266 --> 02:15:53,867 this outreach effort? I will, I 2593 02:15:53,867 --> 02:15:54,033 - Will 2594 02:15:59,767 --> 02:16:02,767 - Prepared just a few brief slides on That's good. 2595 02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:08,000 Our biennial municipal outreach process. 2596 02:16:09,300 --> 02:16:11,533 Kinda hard to believe. 2597 02:16:11,634 --> 02:16:14,100 We're jumping into this again and starting a new cycle. 2598 02:16:14,734 --> 02:16:17,100 Actually most of the information's already in 2599 02:16:17,100 --> 02:16:18,066 your agenda packet. 2600 02:16:18,166 --> 02:16:19,333 The relevant information. 2601 02:16:20,033 --> 02:16:21,467 I just drew up two 2602 02:16:21,467 --> 02:16:23,567 or three slides here just to keep myself straight 2603 02:16:23,634 --> 02:16:25,000 as I kind of walked through everything. 2604 02:16:26,100 --> 02:16:30,367 So as Anne alluded to during the UPWP presentation, 2605 02:16:31,900 --> 02:16:35,266 these efforts come directly from the MPO strategic 2606 02:16:35,367 --> 02:16:36,934 plan process. 2607 02:16:37,133 --> 02:16:40,700 I think all sides agreed, including staff that we wanted 2608 02:16:40,700 --> 02:16:42,567 to kind of reaffirm our commitment 2609 02:16:42,667 --> 02:16:45,033 to regular consistent local outreach. 2610 02:16:45,734 --> 02:16:48,033 And so what that does mean is at least one 2611 02:16:48,033 --> 02:16:49,934 of our staff visits each 2612 02:16:49,934 --> 02:16:54,066 of the 35 municipalities at least once every two years. 2613 02:16:54,133 --> 02:16:56,467 And, and sometimes we do a wee bit more than that. 2614 02:16:56,467 --> 02:17:01,100 Even our last outreach cycle was in late 2024 2615 02:17:01,367 --> 02:17:06,066 and the very early part of 2025, we were able to collect 2616 02:17:06,533 --> 02:17:09,300 some really good information, start some good conversations 2617 02:17:09,333 --> 02:17:12,033 with each of these municipalities on their local 2618 02:17:12,033 --> 02:17:14,000 transportation needs as they saw them 2619 02:17:15,033 --> 02:17:16,700 and any concerns that they had. 2620 02:17:17,367 --> 02:17:19,467 Good byproduct of that is we were able 2621 02:17:19,467 --> 02:17:22,266 to get some new project concepts 2622 02:17:22,567 --> 02:17:25,066 for our LRTP 2025. 2623 02:17:25,166 --> 02:17:26,333 So we had kind 2624 02:17:26,333 --> 02:17:29,033 of some churn in our long range plan projects, some 2625 02:17:29,033 --> 02:17:31,834 of the old stuff kind of aging off, brought in some, 2626 02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:33,100 some new fresh ideas. 2627 02:17:33,934 --> 02:17:37,066 And we did adopt that document in September of last year. 2628 02:17:38,133 --> 02:17:41,734 So what we're doing now, the goal is to complete all 2629 02:17:41,734 --> 02:17:45,033 of our visits by the end of calendar year 2026. 2630 02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:49,000 A number of these sessions have already been completed. 2631 02:17:49,767 --> 02:17:52,767 What remains are currently being scheduled by staff 2632 02:17:53,467 --> 02:17:56,133 in conjunction again with those individual municipalities. 2633 02:17:57,033 --> 02:18:00,734 One of the neat things this time around is it allows us 2634 02:18:00,734 --> 02:18:04,467 to kind of double up on some other efforts that we have, 2635 02:18:04,467 --> 02:18:06,066 either as the MPO 2636 02:18:06,834 --> 02:18:09,100 or as the Center Regional Planning Agency staff. 2637 02:18:09,367 --> 02:18:13,066 So some of Pam's visit, she's not here tonight, 2638 02:18:13,166 --> 02:18:15,266 but she's been in attendance to talk 2639 02:18:15,900 --> 02:18:18,100 not only about transportation issues, 2640 02:18:18,166 --> 02:18:21,266 but also the Centre Region Comprehensive Plan update 2641 02:18:22,066 --> 02:18:25,000 to those municipalities to whom that applies. 2642 02:18:27,100 --> 02:18:29,867 Ann's also got the opportunity to go out to some 2643 02:18:29,867 --> 02:18:31,500 of these Borough and Borough like areas 2644 02:18:31,667 --> 02:18:34,467 to discuss the centered on safety project, 2645 02:18:35,367 --> 02:18:38,567 which you saw presentation on earlier in this meeting. 2646 02:18:40,166 --> 02:18:42,634 So we kind of have, we've developed a, a list 2647 02:18:42,634 --> 02:18:44,333 of talking points for this round. 2648 02:18:44,767 --> 02:18:46,867 Last round was a little bit more open-ended. 2649 02:18:48,133 --> 02:18:50,867 This one we definitely have some items 2650 02:18:51,033 --> 02:18:53,367 for which we would want municipal feedback 2651 02:18:54,100 --> 02:18:55,333 and some discussion. 2652 02:18:56,066 --> 02:18:58,467 Again as part of the centered on safety project, 2653 02:18:58,567 --> 02:19:01,367 that sidewalk priority and inventory for boroughs 2654 02:19:01,367 --> 02:19:03,634 and Borough like areas for the 2655 02:19:03,634 --> 02:19:05,233 municipalities to which that applies. 2656 02:19:05,266 --> 02:19:08,066 Obviously not all, not all of them do. 2657 02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:11,867 We'll be discussing that lane departure information again, 2658 02:19:11,867 --> 02:19:16,100 that Ann talked about in her earlier presentation. 2659 02:19:16,834 --> 02:19:19,734 You've heard a little bit from Richa about the updates 2660 02:19:19,834 --> 02:19:22,066 to the federal functional classification. 2661 02:19:22,700 --> 02:19:25,133 That is something that we'll be rolling out on a little bit 2662 02:19:25,133 --> 02:19:27,033 more wide basis to each of the, 2663 02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:30,567 the individual municipalities we're including the planning 2664 02:19:30,567 --> 02:19:32,734 region profiles that were completed 2665 02:19:33,100 --> 02:19:35,333 during our last LRTP update. 2666 02:19:36,133 --> 02:19:40,066 Marcella has a grant assistance survey that we're trying 2667 02:19:40,133 --> 02:19:43,133 to publicize and get some local thought on. 2668 02:19:43,266 --> 02:19:46,133 So we'll be discussing that during our visits. 2669 02:19:47,133 --> 02:19:48,700 And then again, we want to kind 2670 02:19:48,700 --> 02:19:53,066 of refresh those project request forms, get a sense of what 2671 02:19:53,834 --> 02:19:57,066 the current and emerging municipal needs are. 2672 02:19:57,367 --> 02:20:02,133 So we'll be circulating our new 2027 project request forms. 2673 02:20:02,367 --> 02:20:03,367 I believe they're 2674 02:20:03,367 --> 02:20:06,467 to be in once we've deployed everything I believe there 2675 02:20:06,467 --> 02:20:08,066 to be in by the beginning of March. 2676 02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:11,300 And then we also wanna leave some open-ended time 2677 02:20:11,333 --> 02:20:13,767 to discuss other topics as well. 2678 02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:17,767 So that's just kind of a rundown of our current process. 2679 02:20:18,433 --> 02:20:20,734 If you have any questions, comments, we'll be glad 2680 02:20:20,734 --> 02:20:21,734 to take those as staff. 2681 02:20:22,834 --> 02:20:27,000 And if not, if we haven't seen you already, just be ready 2682 02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:29,233 to see us at a municipal meeting near you 2683 02:20:29,266 --> 02:20:31,000 between now and the end of the year. 2684 02:20:32,533 --> 02:20:34,767 - Okay. Questions, comments? 2685 02:20:37,667 --> 02:20:39,867 Okay, thank you Greg. I know this is a heavy lift. 2686 02:20:41,367 --> 02:20:42,767 I appreciate the effort 2687 02:20:43,834 --> 02:20:46,300 and I know having sat in some of these with some 2688 02:20:46,300 --> 02:20:47,734 of the more rural municipalities, 2689 02:20:47,900 --> 02:20:49,500 that is appreciated on their end. 2690 02:20:52,033 --> 02:20:54,300 That would then take us to member reports. 2691 02:20:56,233 --> 02:20:57,467 Let's look in the room first. 2692 02:20:57,467 --> 02:20:59,367 We'll start with the county Mark or Amber 2693 02:21:01,166 --> 02:21:05,066 - Quickly and maybe Richie can help me out with this. 2694 02:21:05,667 --> 02:21:08,734 It's the fee for local use, 2695 02:21:09,734 --> 02:21:13,734 liquid Fuels and Act 13 grant period 2696 02:21:14,233 --> 02:21:16,834 for all 35 municipalities in Centre County. 2697 02:21:17,233 --> 02:21:20,000 So make sure you get those applications in 2698 02:21:20,734 --> 02:21:23,300 because we're what, one side or the other? 2699 02:21:23,300 --> 02:21:25,767 Maybe a million dollars potentially this year. 2700 02:21:28,834 --> 02:21:30,133 - Alright. Amber, anything else? 2701 02:21:35,133 --> 02:21:38,567 - I think Mark covered it. That's it for now. 2702 02:21:38,867 --> 02:21:40,867 - Alright, thanks. Let's go around the room. 2703 02:21:40,867 --> 02:21:43,066 Bruce, half Moon, anything to report? 2704 02:21:43,166 --> 02:21:47,900 - Yeah, just real quick, our expanding our Smith Road, 2705 02:21:48,100 --> 02:21:50,667 the berms, getting that all fixed so that we'll be ready 2706 02:21:50,667 --> 02:21:52,100 for the overlay in 2027. 2707 02:21:52,734 --> 02:21:55,100 That continues it's way behind schedule 2708 02:21:55,100 --> 02:21:57,000 because of the rotten weather we've been 2709 02:21:57,000 --> 02:21:58,133 experiencing all summer. 2710 02:21:58,467 --> 02:22:02,066 The road crew has been focused on storm damage versus 2711 02:22:02,066 --> 02:22:03,166 working on this road. 2712 02:22:04,266 --> 02:22:05,834 Also, we did meet with Isha 2713 02:22:05,900 --> 02:22:08,166 and Pam in latter part of August 2714 02:22:08,500 --> 02:22:10,867 to talk about the federal classification system. 2715 02:22:11,467 --> 02:22:14,333 Get some input to the Penn. Not one tool. 2716 02:22:15,100 --> 02:22:18,634 I I pick the ball's in Reese's Court right now, 2717 02:22:18,867 --> 02:22:21,300 so we'll wait for the next round when, 2718 02:22:21,300 --> 02:22:23,033 when we're called upon again. That's it. 2719 02:22:23,100 --> 02:22:26,533 - Alright, thanks Frank Harris, 2720 02:22:27,066 --> 02:22:31,367 - Couple small items and, and they were sidewalks. 2721 02:22:32,500 --> 02:22:36,333 We have approved monies and, and put out a bid. 2722 02:22:36,333 --> 02:22:39,300 We're gonna have all our sidewalks up to snuff by spring 2723 02:22:39,333 --> 02:22:43,467 of 2027 and then we can look at gaps once we have that done. 2724 02:22:44,100 --> 02:22:47,066 And the other thing is, we had some deed issues 2725 02:22:48,133 --> 02:22:49,066 at our meeting the other night, 2726 02:22:49,066 --> 02:22:51,000 but we're meeting tomorrow night to officially 2727 02:22:51,667 --> 02:22:56,233 accept the roads in Rocky Ridge, so that'll help our fuel. 2728 02:22:56,333 --> 02:22:57,333 Oh, 2729 02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:02,634 - How about the Penns Valley deck? 2730 02:23:04,033 --> 02:23:06,867 - Well we're, I'm ready to pave Decker Valley Road, 2731 02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:09,734 which has been a dirt road for many years, 2732 02:23:10,100 --> 02:23:12,100 so getting close. 2733 02:23:12,567 --> 02:23:15,100 - Alright. Significant. Jeremy Ferguson. 2734 02:23:15,700 --> 02:23:18,066 - I was gonna say, I think we've pretty much wrapped up a 2735 02:23:18,066 --> 02:23:19,133 lot of our summer projects. 2736 02:23:19,233 --> 02:23:21,133 Did a little bit of microsurfacing 2737 02:23:21,166 --> 02:23:22,867 and did some paving in spots 2738 02:23:23,133 --> 02:23:25,734 and went 2739 02:23:25,734 --> 02:23:28,467 through our CIPI think we identified some things 2740 02:23:28,467 --> 02:23:31,634 for next year and now we're into budget season 2741 02:23:31,900 --> 02:23:36,333 and probably also either the favorite 2742 02:23:36,433 --> 02:23:37,767 or least favorite part of 2743 02:23:38,433 --> 02:23:43,233 Public Works collecting leaves followed by snow. 2744 02:23:44,133 --> 02:23:47,867 Those, those times of the year are upon us. 2745 02:23:49,033 --> 02:23:52,066 Yeah, they hopefully we can enjoy a few more weeks 2746 02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:53,066 of pleasant weather. 2747 02:23:55,033 --> 02:23:57,066 - Joanne Beon, Ney Valley Planning Region 2748 02:23:58,133 --> 02:24:00,066 - One for Ney Valley and one for Bellfort. 2749 02:24:00,066 --> 02:24:02,934 Alright. Ney Valley 2750 02:24:03,867 --> 02:24:05,233 Planning Commission met last week 2751 02:24:05,934 --> 02:24:09,266 and we started a review of updating our 2752 02:24:11,100 --> 02:24:13,567 interim municipal agreements for Zoning 2753 02:24:14,500 --> 02:24:16,133 and aldos. 2754 02:24:16,467 --> 02:24:19,834 There were some things that were a little bit oblique, 2755 02:24:20,100 --> 02:24:22,367 so we've sent it back to the Centre County 2756 02:24:23,233 --> 02:24:26,033 Planning office administrative staff to correct 2757 02:24:26,266 --> 02:24:29,100 or make it clear as to what we're talking about 2758 02:24:29,100 --> 02:24:32,000 and we're going to finalize that at the November meeting. 2759 02:24:33,567 --> 02:24:38,367 In terms of Bellefonte had a council meeting two weeks ago. 2760 02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:41,300 One of our council members point out that his wife 2761 02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:46,266 saw a little hole about this big two Aquar quarter size 2762 02:24:46,567 --> 02:24:48,500 and it looked like she set a little sinkhole. 2763 02:24:49,333 --> 02:24:52,734 It ended up when we got the streets committee up, 2764 02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:57,100 it completely transversed an intersection at 2765 02:24:58,333 --> 02:25:00,467 West Curtin and North Spring Street. 2766 02:25:00,767 --> 02:25:05,033 They closed down the road last week, removed a tree, had 2767 02:25:05,033 --> 02:25:06,567 to put in a new storm drain. 2768 02:25:08,100 --> 02:25:09,033 We fixed the repair 2769 02:25:09,834 --> 02:25:13,834 and right now they've opened up the road this morning 2770 02:25:14,634 --> 02:25:18,233 and they're still working on replacing the sidewalks 2771 02:25:18,233 --> 02:25:20,133 that failed as a result of this. 2772 02:25:21,033 --> 02:25:24,000 So I am glad somebody was looking out for us. 2773 02:25:26,734 --> 02:25:29,333 - So keep your eye open for little holes. 2774 02:25:30,634 --> 02:25:31,734 - Yes. Yeah, it 2775 02:25:31,734 --> 02:25:33,100 - Was a little hole about that big 2776 02:25:33,166 --> 02:25:37,000 and she was walking at night and had her camera flashlight. 2777 02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:38,066 She said, that looks odd. 2778 02:25:38,133 --> 02:25:39,467 One took a closer lick 2779 02:25:40,133 --> 02:25:45,000 and it was a 20 foot wide sinkhole. 2780 02:25:46,133 --> 02:25:47,266 - Hello. - Hello. Hello. 2781 02:25:52,133 --> 02:25:54,033 - Well, Eric topped that Ms. Shannon Valley, 2782 02:25:55,166 --> 02:25:57,233 - Well in our area, a hole opens up. 2783 02:25:57,266 --> 02:25:58,767 It's usually a coal mine in there. 2784 02:26:03,166 --> 02:26:06,100 PennDOT got working on new truck, 2785 02:26:07,066 --> 02:26:09,233 constructing a new truck pull off at the top 2786 02:26:09,233 --> 02:26:11,066 of Port Matilda Mountain in Rush Township. 2787 02:26:11,100 --> 02:26:14,100 That's eastbound where it goes. 2788 02:26:14,233 --> 02:26:16,467 3 22 goes from two lane to four lane. 2789 02:26:17,500 --> 02:26:19,734 And so all trucks over a certain weight, 2790 02:26:19,834 --> 02:26:22,100 I assume it'll be 21,000 pounds gross. 2791 02:26:22,467 --> 02:26:24,100 We'll have to pull over and stop. 2792 02:26:24,834 --> 02:26:27,066 And the benefit of this is hopefully it will save 2793 02:26:27,066 --> 02:26:30,266 what I call Jim Sailor's guardrail, which gets smashed into 2794 02:26:31,767 --> 02:26:34,033 repeatedly over the winter when trucks go down 2795 02:26:34,033 --> 02:26:35,266 the windy section. 2796 02:26:35,367 --> 02:26:37,867 And we've had some trucks go over the guardrail 2797 02:26:37,867 --> 02:26:42,100 and hopefully this will help to improve that section 2798 02:26:42,133 --> 02:26:44,266 of roadway by requiring trucks to stop 2799 02:26:44,266 --> 02:26:46,767 and then adhere a a to a, 2800 02:26:46,934 --> 02:26:49,066 a lower speed limit going down the mountain. 2801 02:26:50,634 --> 02:26:55,300 This group previously had reallocated some funds to 2802 02:26:56,133 --> 02:26:58,700 conduct some or to place more high surface, 2803 02:26:59,367 --> 02:27:03,634 high friction surface treatment on Route three 50 on Sandy 2804 02:27:03,867 --> 02:27:06,100 Ridge Mountain in Rush Township. 2805 02:27:06,100 --> 02:27:08,033 And that was done about a month ago. 2806 02:27:09,066 --> 02:27:10,133 I happened to live on that road 2807 02:27:10,634 --> 02:27:13,100 and I know the, the treatments that were put down a couple 2808 02:27:13,100 --> 02:27:18,100 of years ago, just anecdotally from my view, seemed to help 2809 02:27:18,934 --> 02:27:22,300 particularly trucks from getting stuck in in bad weather. 2810 02:27:22,433 --> 02:27:24,934 And so they've now basically completed 2811 02:27:25,100 --> 02:27:27,333 that treatment going up all of the s curves 2812 02:27:28,100 --> 02:27:30,266 between the bottom of the mountain of the Rush Township line 2813 02:27:30,734 --> 02:27:32,867 and the top of the mountain at Sandy Ridge. 2814 02:27:33,066 --> 02:27:37,066 So I anticipate that we'll continue to improve the safety 2815 02:27:37,033 --> 02:27:38,233 of, of that road. 2816 02:27:39,734 --> 02:27:41,767 So that that's what we have going on area. Good to hear. 2817 02:27:43,100 --> 02:27:45,133 - How about the airport? Anything going on? George? 2818 02:27:45,166 --> 02:27:50,000 - Oh, thank you again for allowing me to attend. 2819 02:27:55,100 --> 02:27:57,133 Every day is kind of an adventure at the airport. 2820 02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:02,333 We are still working through our due diligence 2821 02:28:04,100 --> 02:28:06,433 with the university to 2822 02:28:08,900 --> 02:28:13,500 make sure that we understand what we're taking over if 2823 02:28:13,500 --> 02:28:15,266 and when the day comes, that we do 2824 02:28:16,133 --> 02:28:17,767 assume control of the airport. 2825 02:28:21,500 --> 02:28:24,100 Primarily we're going through the financial statements, 2826 02:28:25,467 --> 02:28:28,533 trying to learn as much as we can about PennDOT 2827 02:28:28,834 --> 02:28:30,333 or airport operations. 2828 02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:39,266 One thing, and our chairman already announced it back in 2829 02:28:39,266 --> 02:28:41,533 June, in about 10 days, 2830 02:28:43,100 --> 02:28:47,033 American Airlines is starting a new service to Charlotte 2831 02:28:48,500 --> 02:28:49,934 from State College Airport. 2832 02:28:50,567 --> 02:28:53,500 - Got two trips booked already. Hopefully they happen. 2833 02:28:55,900 --> 02:28:57,066 - You - Have an open house too? 2834 02:28:57,734 --> 02:29:01,266 We have an open house coming, yes, that same day. 2835 02:29:02,467 --> 02:29:05,100 And you're all welcome to attend 2836 02:29:07,100 --> 02:29:11,066 and as long as I've got the floor, I thank you for that. 2837 02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:14,000 - Well you've sat here for two and a half hours. This is, 2838 02:29:15,467 --> 02:29:17,066 - I did and I didn't say anything. 2839 02:29:17,266 --> 02:29:22,000 No, this thought came to me while Jim was going 2840 02:29:22,000 --> 02:29:25,500 through the, through the budget presentation. 2841 02:29:28,166 --> 02:29:32,066 Some of you may know I came out of PennDOT after I retired. 2842 02:29:32,266 --> 02:29:34,033 I spent several years 2843 02:29:34,667 --> 02:29:37,066 serving on the State Transportation Commission. 2844 02:29:40,033 --> 02:29:42,700 I will tell you from a statewide perspective, 2845 02:29:46,166 --> 02:29:49,333 and there are a lot of egos in this room, 2846 02:29:50,066 --> 02:29:53,066 but from a statewide perspective, 2847 02:29:54,734 --> 02:29:58,734 Centre County MPO is a very well 2848 02:29:58,834 --> 02:30:00,500 regarded MPO. 2849 02:30:02,533 --> 02:30:04,834 The things that you do, Jim 2850 02:30:04,934 --> 02:30:08,867 and your staff to reach out to your members 2851 02:30:10,133 --> 02:30:13,066 is a model for the rest of the state. 2852 02:30:14,500 --> 02:30:18,333 And it's, it, it's been noticed. 2853 02:30:18,934 --> 02:30:22,066 That's all I can say. Is that Okay? Thank you. 2854 02:30:23,634 --> 02:30:25,567 - Just to follow up quickly on that, I know 2855 02:30:25,567 --> 02:30:27,100 that we've got central office 2856 02:30:27,033 --> 02:30:32,033 and district office reps here too, that our district 2857 02:30:32,133 --> 02:30:36,133 and central office reps deserve a, a share of 2858 02:30:36,133 --> 02:30:37,667 that credit right along with the 2859 02:30:39,934 --> 02:30:43,467 Yeah, Heidi. I 2860 02:30:43,467 --> 02:30:44,467 - Don't report. 2861 02:30:44,667 --> 02:30:46,100 - Alright, let's look online. 2862 02:30:46,100 --> 02:30:48,567 That's a good segue into our central and 2863 02:30:50,367 --> 02:30:51,500 and district reps. 2864 02:30:52,066 --> 02:30:54,233 Mark or Eric, anything from the district office? 2865 02:30:59,066 --> 02:31:00,100 - I, I guess I would mention, 2866 02:31:00,500 --> 02:31:03,100 I know Nate Walker probably has this on his list as well, 2867 02:31:03,233 --> 02:31:05,734 Frank, the PennDOT, MTF 2868 02:31:06,667 --> 02:31:11,066 Multimodal Transportation Fund is open for applications 2869 02:31:11,367 --> 02:31:14,033 and that is available until October 30th. 2870 02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:19,100 So you, I guess be encouraged to submit applications 2871 02:31:19,166 --> 02:31:20,367 for those types of needs. 2872 02:31:21,066 --> 02:31:22,333 - That's announcement number 14. 2873 02:31:23,900 --> 02:31:26,066 - Nice. Alright. 2874 02:31:26,133 --> 02:31:28,500 Eric, if you don't have anything, I'm gonna go to Nate 2875 02:31:28,500 --> 02:31:30,100 and Frank Central. 2876 02:31:33,000 --> 02:31:35,233 - The only thing I have is just form the shout out 2877 02:31:35,233 --> 02:31:36,333 to Centre County here. 2878 02:31:37,000 --> 02:31:39,266 We let about $82 million worth 2879 02:31:39,266 --> 02:31:41,033 of work in Centre County this year so far. 2880 02:31:42,233 --> 02:31:44,333 And we have about, we have three more projects 2881 02:31:44,333 --> 02:31:46,233 to let in Centre County, then we'll be done. 2882 02:31:47,133 --> 02:31:49,033 And if you don't know, just in case you don't know, 2883 02:31:49,467 --> 02:31:50,767 this has been a pretty good year 2884 02:31:50,834 --> 02:31:52,734 for district two in the whole so far. 2885 02:31:52,734 --> 02:31:57,000 We've let $145 million worth of work in district two 2886 02:31:57,467 --> 02:32:00,834 and we're on track for about $196 million this year. 2887 02:32:00,867 --> 02:32:03,033 So pretty good year for district two 2888 02:32:03,100 --> 02:32:05,634 and in Centre County this year. 2889 02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:10,934 - Okay. And then I couldn't let Central go without noting 2890 02:32:10,934 --> 02:32:13,100 that Frank Hampton is one of the reasons 2891 02:32:13,166 --> 02:32:16,066 that George mentioned that 2892 02:32:18,433 --> 02:32:21,700 the, the regard that this MPO has has held in, you know, 2893 02:32:21,734 --> 02:32:26,033 Frank's been sitting with us for, for, for a long time. 2894 02:32:26,533 --> 02:32:27,533 Anything to add, Frank? 2895 02:32:29,133 --> 02:32:31,333 - No, I'll actually defer to the rep Nate. 2896 02:32:31,767 --> 02:32:33,734 I know Mr. Walker probably has something 2897 02:32:33,734 --> 02:32:34,767 - To share he wishes, 2898 02:32:35,133 --> 02:32:37,066 - But I thank, thank George for that comment. 2899 02:32:37,333 --> 02:32:39,333 - Alright, thanks. Yeah, 2900 02:32:40,266 --> 02:32:43,233 - I, I was gonna say many, many thanks to Frank 2901 02:32:43,367 --> 02:32:45,734 for all his time here working with you guys, 2902 02:32:47,100 --> 02:32:51,367 but Mark, mark sold the words outta my mouth with the 2903 02:32:52,100 --> 02:32:53,066 multimodal information. 2904 02:32:53,233 --> 02:32:55,100 So nothing else to add this evening. 2905 02:32:56,433 --> 02:32:58,000 - Alright, then we'll go to go Paul 2906 02:32:58,000 --> 02:32:59,700 for the Borough State College Borough. 2907 02:33:02,634 --> 02:33:03,634 Anything? 2908 02:33:03,767 --> 02:33:06,367 - Yeah, well we've been working on our Zoning, Zoning, 2909 02:33:06,367 --> 02:33:07,533 updated Zoning degree, right. 2910 02:33:07,567 --> 02:33:11,700 That's been, you know, very, very tense 2911 02:33:11,900 --> 02:33:13,767 and very productive 2912 02:33:13,900 --> 02:33:16,700 but you know, at the same time there's been a lot of, a lot 2913 02:33:16,700 --> 02:33:18,667 of input and community engagement. 2914 02:33:18,667 --> 02:33:23,367 So we've been working on that, that as well as, you know, 2915 02:33:23,367 --> 02:33:26,533 we approved our CIPA couple of weeks ago 2916 02:33:27,000 --> 02:33:28,634 and now we're heading into budget season. 2917 02:33:29,033 --> 02:33:32,734 So hopefully we left the Zoning rewrite all wrapped up 2918 02:33:33,133 --> 02:33:34,433 by the early part of the year. 2919 02:33:36,066 --> 02:33:38,867 - Alright, thanks. Go Paul. How about Jean? 2920 02:33:39,266 --> 02:33:41,734 Anything to offer? Any updates? 2921 02:33:43,100 --> 02:33:45,100 - Oh, not nothing from Stone two Township. 2922 02:33:47,066 --> 02:33:50,700 - Okay. I think I covered everybody. Did I miss anybody? 2923 02:33:53,133 --> 02:33:55,667 If not, then we will move to announcements. 2924 02:33:56,266 --> 02:33:58,634 I only have one meeting announcement this month 2925 02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:02,000 'cause we're actually meeting November 18th 2926 02:34:04,867 --> 02:34:06,233 when we meet November 18th. 2927 02:34:06,233 --> 02:34:07,734 It'll be a joint meeting between, 2928 02:34:08,133 --> 02:34:09,900 between the coordinating committee and 2929 02:34:12,133 --> 02:34:13,266 and the technical committee. 2930 02:34:13,533 --> 02:34:16,033 I think for those of us who were around last year, saw a lot 2931 02:34:16,033 --> 02:34:19,066 of benefit in that and look forward to huddling 2932 02:34:19,066 --> 02:34:20,467 with the tech committee in November. 2933 02:34:22,834 --> 02:34:25,867 Beyond that, I'm gonna first give staff an opportunity 2934 02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:29,533 to point to anything specifically in announcements 2935 02:34:29,567 --> 02:34:31,533 before I open it up to questions from the 2936 02:34:31,533 --> 02:34:34,000 group. Anything Jim? 2937 02:34:34,867 --> 02:34:38,500 - And as David mentioned, we did complete an update to our 2938 02:34:39,133 --> 02:34:42,033 crash database to add data up through 2025. 2939 02:34:42,033 --> 02:34:43,066 There's a link right there 2940 02:34:43,934 --> 02:34:46,000 in the announcements if you're curious on that. 2941 02:34:46,233 --> 02:34:47,834 So thanks to Ann 2942 02:34:47,867 --> 02:34:49,467 and Steve for getting us through that effort. 2943 02:34:50,634 --> 02:34:53,367 Otherwise it's just the funding opportunities have already 2944 02:34:53,367 --> 02:34:55,467 been called out and then there's a listing of 2945 02:34:55,734 --> 02:34:57,033 of some of the recent awards. 2946 02:34:57,333 --> 02:34:58,500 Nothing else to share 2947 02:34:59,500 --> 02:35:00,500 - Questions on? 2948 02:35:00,500 --> 02:35:01,266 Anything in announcements? 2949 02:35:03,834 --> 02:35:05,100 - Anne's got - Something. Anne, 2950 02:35:06,834 --> 02:35:09,500 - We also wanna remind you about the municipal 2951 02:35:09,500 --> 02:35:10,567 transportation grant. 2952 02:35:10,567 --> 02:35:14,100 Assistant needs survey. That's number 15. 2953 02:35:14,367 --> 02:35:16,934 If you could fill that out, it would be greatly appreciated. 2954 02:35:17,500 --> 02:35:18,767 It's probably going to go 2955 02:35:18,767 --> 02:35:21,000 beyond the September 30th deadline. 2956 02:35:21,834 --> 02:35:26,300 We had a request from a municipality to have it open 2957 02:35:26,467 --> 02:35:29,000 until the second week in October. 2958 02:35:33,033 --> 02:35:34,834 - Questions Alright, 2959 02:35:34,834 --> 02:35:36,367 before I accept the motion to Adjourn, 2960 02:35:36,367 --> 02:35:38,033 I just wanna thank you all for your patience. 2961 02:35:38,634 --> 02:35:39,734 It's been two and a half hours. 2962 02:35:39,834 --> 02:35:41,066 We had a lot of ground to cover, 2963 02:35:42,066 --> 02:35:43,533 but I think we did it pretty efficiently. 2964 02:35:44,667 --> 02:35:47,066 So it, with that, I'll accept the motion to Adjourn. 2965 02:35:49,166 --> 02:35:51,066 Thank you Frank. 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