1 00:00:00,567 --> 00:00:04,100 - Centre Region Parks and Recreation manages 56 municipal 2 00:00:04,100 --> 00:00:05,100 and regional parks. 3 00:00:05,233 --> 00:00:08,066 These beautiful parks offer amenities such as sports fields, 4 00:00:08,333 --> 00:00:11,100 rentable, picnic, pavilions, playgrounds, bike 5 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:13,500 and walking trails and recreation facilities. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,500 Take some time to find your park 7 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:17,033 and spend some time outdoors. 8 00:00:17,233 --> 00:00:21,533 Visit crpr.org for a list of park locations and amenities 9 00:00:23,567 --> 00:00:26,233 - You are watching CNET Center County's Government 10 00:00:26,233 --> 00:00:27,934 and Educational Access Network. 11 00:00:32,467 --> 00:00:34,000 - Good morning and welcome all. 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,634 We'll be called to order this September 17th, 2026 regular 13 00:00:37,634 --> 00:00:39,133 meeting in the Centre Region Council 14 00:00:39,133 --> 00:00:41,033 of Governments Finance Committee to order. 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,100 We've already proven that Mr. Heller can hear and be heard. 16 00:00:46,233 --> 00:00:49,100 Outside of that, the other members are in the room. 17 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:53,133 Open the floor for public comments on for anything, 18 00:00:53,433 --> 00:00:58,266 not on today's agenda, hearing or seeing none. 19 00:00:58,467 --> 00:00:59,567 Do any committee members 20 00:01:00,100 --> 00:01:02,567 or staff have any potential new agenda items? 21 00:01:04,734 --> 00:01:07,900 Hearing nor seeing none, we move the Consent Agenda, which 22 00:01:08,133 --> 00:01:12,734 for today consists simply of the August voucher reports 23 00:01:12,734 --> 00:01:14,000 and financial statements. 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,667 Any questions? Corrections for those? 25 00:01:16,734 --> 00:01:20,634 If not, I would accept a motion to approve. Move. 26 00:01:20,634 --> 00:01:22,867 Move to approve. We have a motion? Do we have a second? 27 00:01:22,934 --> 00:01:25,433 Second. We have a second. Any further discussion? 28 00:01:27,100 --> 00:01:30,066 Call the question. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. 29 00:01:30,133 --> 00:01:34,634 Aye. Aye. All those opposed the same sign. Motion carries. 30 00:01:36,033 --> 00:01:38,567 Update local and regional economic impacts. 31 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:40,033 Anything for today, Mr. Direct? 32 00:01:40,767 --> 00:01:45,000 - The Fed just raised interest rates against the 33 00:01:45,533 --> 00:01:49,500 administration's request, which is not a great sign for 34 00:01:50,533 --> 00:01:53,133 the economy as a whole. 35 00:01:53,133 --> 00:01:57,100 Inflation continues to be a problem for us and drive costs. 36 00:01:58,066 --> 00:02:00,367 Electricity costs are still going up. Thankfully for us. 37 00:02:00,567 --> 00:02:04,066 We're in a contract for the next three years now, 38 00:02:04,300 --> 00:02:08,634 but we are also continuing 39 00:02:08,634 --> 00:02:13,133 to see rising fuel costs across the board, which 40 00:02:13,166 --> 00:02:16,834 for the most part will affect Sean's operation over in fire 41 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,333 as diesel is incredibly expensive 42 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:25,133 and some for Jim with parks maintenance. 43 00:02:26,867 --> 00:02:28,567 Those are the biggest things affecting us. Right. 44 00:02:30,367 --> 00:02:34,734 - Questions for the director? Okay, 45 00:02:35,066 --> 00:02:37,066 we'll continue to monitor that going forward. 46 00:02:38,734 --> 00:02:42,834 We are on to the 2027 COG operating budget proposals. 47 00:02:44,333 --> 00:02:47,233 Which are you taking the lead on this? I can start. 48 00:02:47,233 --> 00:02:48,867 Okay, awesome. Just an introduction. Thank you. 49 00:02:49,233 --> 00:02:50,367 - So the way 50 00:02:50,367 --> 00:02:53,500 that I wrote this out in the agenda was into three 51 00:02:54,133 --> 00:02:56,166 separate sections or conversations. 52 00:02:57,033 --> 00:03:01,066 The first one being if there are any residual comments 53 00:03:01,634 --> 00:03:04,867 or concerns that you have regarding the budget presentations 54 00:03:04,867 --> 00:03:07,300 that we've already seen, anything that you've seen 55 00:03:08,066 --> 00:03:11,000 that you just might want to discuss or for us to consider. 56 00:03:11,467 --> 00:03:14,066 The second part being probably the meat of this meeting, 57 00:03:14,066 --> 00:03:17,266 which is the strategic guide review 58 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:21,066 and the items that you would like to include 59 00:03:21,233 --> 00:03:24,233 or strike both the Executive Director 60 00:03:24,233 --> 00:03:25,467 and the agency directors. 61 00:03:25,467 --> 00:03:28,100 We met this week, we compared notes 62 00:03:28,734 --> 00:03:32,000 and we've got a lot of feedback for you. 63 00:03:32,033 --> 00:03:34,500 We have justifications for the items 64 00:03:34,634 --> 00:03:36,233 that we feel are necessary. 65 00:03:37,033 --> 00:03:39,634 So looking forward to those conversations with you. 66 00:03:40,734 --> 00:03:42,300 And then the third piece would be 67 00:03:43,033 --> 00:03:46,100 introducing the fund balance policy replenishment. 68 00:03:46,266 --> 00:03:47,634 As we've discussed in the past 69 00:03:48,033 --> 00:03:52,100 where you had requested an analysis for a five year view 70 00:03:52,667 --> 00:03:53,834 of what that would look like. 71 00:03:54,934 --> 00:03:57,533 There are not all fund balances require 72 00:03:57,533 --> 00:03:58,834 attention at this time. 73 00:03:59,233 --> 00:04:00,467 So that's the good news. 74 00:04:01,333 --> 00:04:06,066 And then just how we address this going forward with our use 75 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:07,467 of fund balance 76 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,567 and our policy, which now has a minimum required reserve. 77 00:04:14,166 --> 00:04:16,867 So we can have that. What you have in front of you, I did 78 00:04:17,133 --> 00:04:20,133 as many printouts as possible just in case our technology 79 00:04:20,266 --> 00:04:21,467 gets a little fussy. 80 00:04:22,033 --> 00:04:24,734 But you have the sig e printout, 81 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,634 you have the fund balance replenishment printout. 82 00:04:28,066 --> 00:04:30,634 I also gave you a copy of the guideline. 83 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:35,367 We've talked about that and what that means really topically 84 00:04:35,634 --> 00:04:38,000 with regard to how some of these other things will change. 85 00:04:38,934 --> 00:04:42,767 And then finally, I also put down on the table for you, just 86 00:04:42,767 --> 00:04:45,934 for your reference, the table a standard percentages 87 00:04:46,033 --> 00:04:50,033 and the table a modified just for reference that is not open 88 00:04:50,033 --> 00:04:53,834 for discussion, but as we discuss how your shares may shift, 89 00:04:54,133 --> 00:04:56,066 I thought it would be useful for you to be able 90 00:04:56,066 --> 00:04:57,266 to put your finger on that. 91 00:04:57,767 --> 00:05:00,066 I know it's hard when you're sharing the screen to go back 92 00:05:00,066 --> 00:05:01,467 and forth between multiple views. 93 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:04,867 So, so you've got the paper in front of you as needed. 94 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:07,834 So the first, the first thing would be 95 00:05:08,367 --> 00:05:12,934 if there are any final discussions on previously presented 96 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,233 budgets, the floor is open. 97 00:05:15,333 --> 00:05:17,500 And if there are none, if you are comfortable 98 00:05:17,767 --> 00:05:21,133 with the budget as it stands right now without any SIG Z, 99 00:05:21,834 --> 00:05:23,233 we can move into the Sig Z discussion. 100 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:28,367 - Okay. How I think we're gonna attack this 101 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,300 is we're gonna have pretty much as Kimberly's laid out, 102 00:05:32,667 --> 00:05:37,133 we'll have motions at each step to try to keep it separate. 103 00:05:37,266 --> 00:05:39,834 So we're gonna look at the as is budget 104 00:05:40,734 --> 00:05:45,100 and finance committee is being asked to endorse that. 105 00:05:46,133 --> 00:05:50,100 Am I? Yes. And forward that on to the executive committee. 106 00:05:50,867 --> 00:05:54,867 The SIG C staff is asking us to make yay nays. 107 00:05:55,500 --> 00:06:00,066 The whole way down through that will ultimately impact the, 108 00:06:00,233 --> 00:06:03,934 the final number as well as the fund balance policy. 109 00:06:04,767 --> 00:06:06,333 We'll go through that yay nay. 110 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,834 And that will impact the final number. 111 00:06:09,433 --> 00:06:10,700 But let's start with 112 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:13,634 what we've been presented to this point. 113 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:18,000 - Yeah, I just, the comment I made to you earlier, I, 114 00:06:18,233 --> 00:06:20,367 I told Rich that I was thinking this morning, 115 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,700 when we do the park budget every year, 116 00:06:25,667 --> 00:06:27,100 somebody from the authority ought to be here. 117 00:06:27,834 --> 00:06:29,066 You know, because, 118 00:06:29,066 --> 00:06:31,667 because here it is, you know, we beat up on, on Christie 119 00:06:31,667 --> 00:06:34,033 and the people and and, and then they've gotta go back 120 00:06:34,033 --> 00:06:36,233 and try to, you know, talk to those people. 121 00:06:36,300 --> 00:06:38,667 But I think we should have somebody from Parks Authority, 122 00:06:38,934 --> 00:06:40,834 either the chair, vice chair, whatever, 123 00:06:40,934 --> 00:06:42,734 sitting there hearing the same thing 124 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,033 that Christie and them are hearing. 125 00:06:44,166 --> 00:06:46,834 Because I think that's where we seem 126 00:06:46,834 --> 00:06:49,033 to get a disconnect in, in that thing. 127 00:06:49,033 --> 00:06:51,567 And every year we, it gets more 128 00:06:51,567 --> 00:06:53,667 and more contentious every year. 129 00:06:53,767 --> 00:06:56,266 So I think somebody from the authority needs to sit here 130 00:06:56,266 --> 00:06:58,467 and hear what we're saying as the 131 00:06:58,467 --> 00:06:59,900 bankers, whatever you want to call it. 132 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:02,233 So that's just a comment I think for going forward. 133 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:04,667 I do believe that's something we need 134 00:07:04,667 --> 00:07:05,700 to do in next year's process. 135 00:07:08,367 --> 00:07:12,166 - Any comments on that? Did you have something on that? 136 00:07:12,166 --> 00:07:13,767 - No. Yes. Not on that, but something else. 137 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:17,500 - Oh, for the only thing I would offer, I have for my 138 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:20,533 after action that the authority also has to have their, 139 00:07:21,033 --> 00:07:22,033 it has to have a budget. 140 00:07:22,533 --> 00:07:25,300 Yeah. And have the visibility and transparency. 141 00:07:25,634 --> 00:07:28,266 It's an entity and it needs to have that. 142 00:07:28,767 --> 00:07:31,867 And we, with the transition, we didn't, 143 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:35,000 we got less than last year actually on the 144 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,033 authority budget and everything. 145 00:07:36,166 --> 00:07:39,767 So it should be a goal of ours to get that. 146 00:07:40,066 --> 00:07:44,100 If it's gonna be an existing entity, that it'd be treated, 147 00:07:44,033 --> 00:07:48,033 which is in in sync with the library district 148 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:49,467 and CCMPO 149 00:07:49,634 --> 00:07:51,767 and you know, things that are part of another thing, 150 00:07:51,867 --> 00:07:53,433 but they're their own thing. 151 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:57,867 And give it the respect that, the authority, the respect 152 00:07:57,867 --> 00:08:01,767 that it should earn as well. Other comments? 153 00:08:02,333 --> 00:08:06,533 - So my comment is on the process, just 154 00:08:06,533 --> 00:08:09,133 to understand it, we are first going to go through 155 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:11,033 the budget 156 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,266 or we are starting with the XI is my understanding. 157 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,300 - First we're gonna talk about the status quo baseline 158 00:08:19,634 --> 00:08:22,033 budget, which is what was presented to us 159 00:08:22,867 --> 00:08:24,266 over the past three days. 160 00:08:25,133 --> 00:08:27,000 - Okay. - And we're gonna make sure we're in 161 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,033 agreement with that. 162 00:08:29,033 --> 00:08:30,500 Then we're gonna go to the SIG C 163 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:33,133 because if we have discrepancies, 164 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:35,166 disagreements on the baseline budget, 165 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,033 that may impact the discussions on SIG C. 166 00:08:39,333 --> 00:08:42,300 - Correct. And then we are going to go to fund balance 167 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:43,500 - Conversation - Finally. 168 00:08:43,567 --> 00:08:44,567 Yes. 169 00:08:45,133 --> 00:08:47,867 - So, which I think is gonna be a very quick discussion 170 00:08:48,266 --> 00:08:50,033 after 10 plus years of work, 171 00:08:51,133 --> 00:08:53,867 I think this year's discussion is gonna be 172 00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:55,000 kind of short on that one. 173 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:56,533 - So what I'm wondering is, 174 00:08:58,066 --> 00:09:01,000 even though the fund balance discussion is coming at the end 175 00:09:01,667 --> 00:09:04,066 as we are going through it, would you be able 176 00:09:04,066 --> 00:09:06,133 to provide us a snapshot of here's 177 00:09:06,133 --> 00:09:08,467 how the fund balances look right now 178 00:09:08,467 --> 00:09:11,066 after the budgets, here's how it looks after six. 179 00:09:11,233 --> 00:09:13,066 And by, 180 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,834 by the time we decide six succeed's all, you know, finalized. 181 00:09:16,433 --> 00:09:17,767 And then we take a, 182 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:20,700 and the reason I'm asking this is our approach 183 00:09:20,834 --> 00:09:24,300 to the fund balance might actually impact some 184 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:29,066 of our other decisions of what we decide to fund or not. 185 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,567 For example, in the fund balance discussion, 186 00:09:32,567 --> 00:09:36,634 there's a suggestion that hey, we have excess in, you know, 187 00:09:36,634 --> 00:09:39,100 we have more than the minimum fund balance in some 188 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:40,467 of the funds, right? 189 00:09:40,867 --> 00:09:42,233 What are we going to do with that? 190 00:09:42,367 --> 00:09:45,266 Like there's this excess right now without six C 191 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:47,367 and what are we going to do with that? 192 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:51,000 And so I was a little bit unclear on are we going 193 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,066 to apply the five year timeline to all the funds, 194 00:09:55,100 --> 00:09:56,634 even the ones where we have excess. 195 00:09:57,333 --> 00:10:01,033 Like are we only going to keep the one fifth portion 196 00:10:01,266 --> 00:10:03,000 of the minimum in all the funds 197 00:10:03,033 --> 00:10:05,834 and use all the rest to fund what we need? 198 00:10:06,834 --> 00:10:08,700 It can reduce municipal shares. 199 00:10:08,934 --> 00:10:10,033 Or are we, 200 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:13,500 if there are funds in which we already have the minimum fund 201 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:16,900 balance available this year, are we going 202 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:18,266 to say we've achieved it now 203 00:10:18,266 --> 00:10:19,433 we only have to achieve the rest. 204 00:10:19,467 --> 00:10:22,867 Does that make sense? Like it's two different approaches. 205 00:10:24,266 --> 00:10:26,367 And so I know we are going to do that at the end, 206 00:10:26,634 --> 00:10:31,266 but I felt as I was looking at that, that might impact some 207 00:10:31,266 --> 00:10:32,433 of our decisions too. 208 00:10:33,166 --> 00:10:36,066 So I didn't know how we wanted to organize it. 209 00:10:38,467 --> 00:10:40,300 - Okay. - Does that make sense or 210 00:10:40,367 --> 00:10:41,767 - No, I understand where you're headed, 211 00:10:42,033 --> 00:10:45,500 but I don't think that we have the level of information 212 00:10:45,634 --> 00:10:48,667 that you're seeking to make those decisions. 213 00:10:48,767 --> 00:10:53,300 Right. The only thing if we get into the SIG e staff may 214 00:10:54,367 --> 00:10:58,300 indicate we could pay, we're con contemplating paying 215 00:10:58,467 --> 00:11:02,734 for this via a combination of municipal contributions 216 00:11:02,934 --> 00:11:05,900 or fund balance or all municipal contributions 217 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,333 or anything along those lines. 218 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:13,834 But it's not gonna change the status quo budget. 219 00:11:14,734 --> 00:11:18,433 But it may impact our thoughts on the SIG C if it's a 220 00:11:18,433 --> 00:11:21,133 onetime thing and we're using onetime money. 221 00:11:22,033 --> 00:11:24,166 - And so one question was, 222 00:11:24,233 --> 00:11:27,133 and again it depends on what sig e items we approve 223 00:11:27,133 --> 00:11:28,367 because it might be moot, 224 00:11:28,433 --> 00:11:30,533 we might have nothing left right in that bucket. 225 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:33,900 We might say we have an XS in admin 226 00:11:34,567 --> 00:11:35,900 just just throwing that out. 227 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:38,500 But we've approved the SIG e item, you know, 228 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:39,734 and now we have none. 229 00:11:40,433 --> 00:11:44,100 But it could be that it reduces on, if we make the decision 230 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:48,333 that every, every fund back fund is only going to be funded 231 00:11:49,300 --> 00:11:51,834 one fifth, we are not funding the whole thing. 232 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,033 It might reduce municipal shares. 233 00:11:55,734 --> 00:11:58,700 - It might potentially, it, it might just a reminder 234 00:11:58,734 --> 00:12:00,734 that we're only dealing with unassigned. 235 00:12:01,033 --> 00:12:03,000 Yes. And that's a very small number. Yes. 236 00:12:03,266 --> 00:12:05,066 So I, I don't think it's, 237 00:12:05,567 --> 00:12:08,767 my personal take is it's not gonna move the needle enough 238 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,767 for some of the discussions we're about to have. 239 00:12:11,033 --> 00:12:15,734 Okay. So that's, any other, any other alibis? 240 00:12:16,266 --> 00:12:18,333 I think Matt has Matt, please. Thank you. 241 00:12:19,133 --> 00:12:21,333 - Yeah, thank you for that. And my comment was 242 00:12:22,033 --> 00:12:24,233 actually initially around what Frank had stated 243 00:12:24,834 --> 00:12:27,300 and you know, having spoken folks on the Parks Authority 244 00:12:27,333 --> 00:12:30,100 and other places and know other elected officials, 245 00:12:30,667 --> 00:12:32,533 it seems like there is a, the need 246 00:12:32,533 --> 00:12:34,867 for a much larger conversation, not just in finance, 247 00:12:35,266 --> 00:12:36,767 but there's this acknowledgement 248 00:12:36,867 --> 00:12:39,000 or my words that Oh yeah, 249 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,467 we know it's kind of the way it is. 250 00:12:40,467 --> 00:12:41,767 Municipalities make changes 251 00:12:41,867 --> 00:12:44,700 and it just kind of forces COG to do things differently. 252 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:48,000 It costs more money. Yeah. We'll wait for a new process. 253 00:12:48,033 --> 00:12:49,934 And I really don't think that's the right answer 254 00:12:50,834 --> 00:12:53,066 or I should say, I think that points us to the right answer, 255 00:12:53,066 --> 00:12:54,467 which is we have to work on 256 00:12:54,667 --> 00:12:56,834 how these groups more collaborative, 257 00:12:56,834 --> 00:13:00,100 including finance work together so that we are not pulling 258 00:13:00,867 --> 00:13:02,533 parks in a thousand different directions, 259 00:13:03,033 --> 00:13:04,634 giving them whiplash and everything else, 260 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:07,934 but really there to support right size and all of that. 261 00:13:08,066 --> 00:13:10,634 So whatever conversation needs to happen outside 262 00:13:10,634 --> 00:13:13,467 of just finance, I'm happy again to support. 263 00:13:13,467 --> 00:13:14,734 And I think we need to have that 264 00:13:15,767 --> 00:13:17,066 related to the fund balance. 265 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:20,000 I was, you know, prepared to do kind of previously 266 00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:22,533 what we had done, or at least in my mind, kind of 267 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,767 the approach we were gonna take, which is the, 268 00:13:24,834 --> 00:13:26,066 the slow increase. 269 00:13:26,834 --> 00:13:29,333 So I was prepared to go ahead and, 270 00:13:29,333 --> 00:13:30,834 and move forward with that when we 271 00:13:30,834 --> 00:13:31,934 do get to the conversation. 272 00:13:32,133 --> 00:13:33,834 Also, just a final note, I will have 273 00:13:33,834 --> 00:13:37,266 to hop off here at about nine 15 for an external meeting. 274 00:13:37,467 --> 00:13:39,500 I apologize about that. And, but Mr. 275 00:13:39,533 --> 00:13:43,233 Grady will be taking over and he and I have met 276 00:13:43,233 --> 00:13:44,567 and he is in full syn 277 00:13:44,567 --> 00:13:47,333 and will be carrying the voice of Ferguson for the time 278 00:13:47,333 --> 00:13:50,066 that I'm out of this meeting. Thank you. 279 00:13:50,266 --> 00:13:52,500 - Very good. Thank you. Any others? 280 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,533 - Oh, I apologize Mr. 281 00:13:56,266 --> 00:13:58,000 And for everybody I will be looking off screen 282 00:13:58,233 --> 00:14:00,734 'cause this is where my big monitor is, so that's 283 00:14:00,734 --> 00:14:03,367 what I'm looking at, not at the camera. So thank you. 284 00:14:04,133 --> 00:14:06,567 - You're bragging about having a big monitor, aren't you? 285 00:14:06,934 --> 00:14:11,834 Okay. I have one 286 00:14:12,133 --> 00:14:15,333 set of comments, or just to make us all aware, I brought 287 00:14:15,867 --> 00:14:17,100 to the Executive Director 288 00:14:17,133 --> 00:14:19,100 and finance director's attention this morning. 289 00:14:20,066 --> 00:14:24,000 So as a survivor of this process 290 00:14:24,433 --> 00:14:28,834 for a year or two, I have a couple tools that, 291 00:14:29,066 --> 00:14:30,934 that I've built over the years 292 00:14:31,066 --> 00:14:33,333 to help me digest this and everything. 293 00:14:33,333 --> 00:14:35,533 And one of them takes all the individual funds and, 294 00:14:36,133 --> 00:14:39,333 and takes all the data that has been presented 295 00:14:39,333 --> 00:14:41,100 to us over the past three days 296 00:14:42,166 --> 00:14:44,934 after I pull it from the presentations 297 00:14:44,934 --> 00:14:46,734 and put it into the analysis 298 00:14:47,166 --> 00:14:48,700 and everything and going through it. 299 00:14:51,767 --> 00:14:55,867 Incredible job to the dollar with the exception 300 00:14:55,867 --> 00:14:58,033 of two, two of our funds. 301 00:14:59,033 --> 00:15:02,467 And that would be Fire Operating and Fire Capital. 302 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:06,500 If you look at the 2026 summary budget 303 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,300 of municipal shares 304 00:15:09,667 --> 00:15:10,767 and compare it to 305 00:15:10,767 --> 00:15:12,834 what was presented over the past three days, 306 00:15:13,133 --> 00:15:16,066 there's a variance on those two items. 307 00:15:16,533 --> 00:15:21,100 What I believe, and I, the initial take it has to do with 308 00:15:21,133 --> 00:15:22,133 how the Penn State 309 00:15:22,900 --> 00:15:25,033 and Benner Township contributions are being treated. 310 00:15:27,934 --> 00:15:30,500 Previously, as we talked during Mr. 311 00:15:30,634 --> 00:15:34,700 Kaufman's presentation, there was some off out 312 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:38,033 of the accounting software adjustments done, 313 00:15:38,066 --> 00:15:40,133 whereas this year we're moving to, 314 00:15:41,033 --> 00:15:43,934 you've got a revenue side, you've got an expense side and, 315 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:45,133 and everything like that. 316 00:15:46,567 --> 00:15:50,533 So with that, it didn't, it captured it a little different 317 00:15:52,133 --> 00:15:55,734 in what was presented than what was in the summary budget. 318 00:15:55,867 --> 00:15:58,066 And it's about a, about a half million dollars 319 00:15:58,634 --> 00:16:00,533 I think is the, the number or whatever. 320 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:03,734 So we need to be cognizant of that. 321 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,934 And I think the, and I offer, what I did, 322 00:16:07,367 --> 00:16:11,333 the way I approached it was I pulled the municipal 323 00:16:13,433 --> 00:16:18,100 shares out of the comprehensive fund summary, 324 00:16:19,133 --> 00:16:21,300 and I believe Penn State is being included in 325 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:22,367 those currently. 326 00:16:23,333 --> 00:16:27,100 And they are, that is not consistent with the rest 327 00:16:27,133 --> 00:16:30,700 of the budget in that Penn State's not a articles 328 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:34,867 of agreement or a municipal share contributor to this. 329 00:16:35,066 --> 00:16:37,367 So we may want to look at that 330 00:16:37,367 --> 00:16:39,233 before we push the summary budget forward. 331 00:16:39,367 --> 00:16:42,066 Look at how the Penn State 332 00:16:42,166 --> 00:16:45,467 and Benner share contributions 333 00:16:46,433 --> 00:16:49,000 or miscellaneous revenue, whichever, you know, 334 00:16:49,166 --> 00:16:52,367 those are the two that really drew to my attention 335 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:55,634 and everything so that we're cons, 336 00:16:55,867 --> 00:16:57,634 we're setting the stage for going forward. 337 00:16:57,834 --> 00:16:59,133 So we want to be consistent with that. 338 00:16:59,467 --> 00:17:03,100 I'd already brought forward Better Township is not a ice 339 00:17:04,033 --> 00:17:06,634 signature articles of agreement participant. 340 00:17:07,433 --> 00:17:08,734 So they're really a funding, 341 00:17:08,767 --> 00:17:12,066 they're a separate funding source versus municipal shares. 342 00:17:14,166 --> 00:17:17,467 So I just wanted to bring that to the attention 343 00:17:17,467 --> 00:17:21,533 because it impacted some analysis 344 00:17:22,266 --> 00:17:26,033 elsewhere for me and, and everything. 345 00:17:26,367 --> 00:17:30,567 And the Executive Director is hammering numbers right now 346 00:17:30,734 --> 00:17:35,100 to, to make sure I didn't make a, a mistake in, 347 00:17:35,033 --> 00:17:36,533 in working down through it. 348 00:17:38,567 --> 00:17:41,300 So that, that was my only thing on the, 349 00:17:43,834 --> 00:17:47,500 the presented budgets is 350 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:50,233 that there's a little discrepancy in 351 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:53,066 the previous year numbers and the current year numbers 352 00:17:53,233 --> 00:17:55,033 and how we're approaching those. 353 00:18:03,033 --> 00:18:04,500 And I don't know how that answer's gonna go, 354 00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:09,266 but any concerns, is the committee 355 00:18:09,266 --> 00:18:13,567 comfortable endorsing the status quo, 356 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:17,100 baseline budget as it is currently? 357 00:18:18,066 --> 00:18:21,000 And this, we'll just do this straw poll, Mr. Heller 358 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:23,300 - Oh, straw poll. 359 00:18:23,300 --> 00:18:24,867 I was just gonna say yes. And I would ask too, 360 00:18:24,867 --> 00:18:26,900 as we do this, if there are things that we need 361 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:28,166 to be seeing, you know, remotely, 362 00:18:28,634 --> 00:18:30,133 if those items could be shared here, 363 00:18:30,133 --> 00:18:32,433 if we are pointing things out like discrepancies, et cetera. 364 00:18:32,433 --> 00:18:33,667 So I just wanted to circle back 365 00:18:33,667 --> 00:18:34,667 - On that too. 366 00:18:34,667 --> 00:18:38,433 Yeah, the, I was only able to provide, provide this, 367 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:42,567 - You're in my hand, Matt, so I can't put 368 00:18:42,567 --> 00:18:43,900 that up on screen for you. 369 00:18:44,033 --> 00:18:47,634 But I, the, the basics of it show that 370 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,100 in the, it, it is going to be the issue of 371 00:18:53,033 --> 00:18:54,467 where Penn State's 372 00:18:55,033 --> 00:18:59,567 and better townships, where our revenue from Penn State 373 00:18:59,567 --> 00:19:02,433 and better are located in the budget. 374 00:19:02,433 --> 00:19:05,834 Because right now they're showing up in a line 375 00:19:05,834 --> 00:19:07,700 that looks like municipal shares. 376 00:19:08,634 --> 00:19:13,500 So the shares total minus what we know 377 00:19:14,367 --> 00:19:17,567 as those contracted revenues 378 00:19:18,834 --> 00:19:21,133 equal out to the number that we have been using 379 00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:22,467 as municipal shares. 380 00:19:24,266 --> 00:19:26,333 So we're good. We're in a good spot. Good. 381 00:19:27,133 --> 00:19:31,867 Better we can show that better moving forward so 382 00:19:31,867 --> 00:19:33,934 that this does not become a point of confusion, 383 00:19:33,934 --> 00:19:35,100 but I'm comfortable with the numbers 384 00:19:35,133 --> 00:19:36,834 that I gave you all on Tuesday 385 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 that those are reflected properly. 386 00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:44,934 - Great. Excellent. Excellent. Please, 387 00:19:45,867 --> 00:19:49,000 - I can just add to what the Executive Director just said, 388 00:19:50,367 --> 00:19:54,100 we can check the actual mapping 389 00:19:54,533 --> 00:19:55,567 of the Penn State number 390 00:19:55,867 --> 00:19:58,567 because it could be rolling up into the fiscal shares. 391 00:19:58,567 --> 00:20:01,467 It's, even though we're calling it contracted revenue, so 392 00:20:01,467 --> 00:20:03,567 that's the first thing that we'll do when we go back 393 00:20:03,567 --> 00:20:05,233 and address this right, is just make sure 394 00:20:05,233 --> 00:20:07,066 that clear gov is mapping this correctly 395 00:20:07,266 --> 00:20:09,433 and maybe not isolating it as it should. 396 00:20:09,767 --> 00:20:14,100 - Yeah. So that makes it appear there's 480,000 397 00:20:14,834 --> 00:20:18,233 extra municipal contributions in, 398 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:21,133 in the way it was presented to us. 399 00:20:21,934 --> 00:20:24,500 So again, we're setting the stage for going forward 400 00:20:25,066 --> 00:20:26,700 and very happy to hear 401 00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:31,333 that the executive director's been able to confirm 402 00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:33,266 that we're still, all the numbers are good. 403 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:36,634 I outside, again, outside of those numbers for 404 00:20:37,166 --> 00:20:40,100 such a transition to have all that come out 405 00:20:41,166 --> 00:20:44,266 that well was kudos, you know, well done. 406 00:20:44,867 --> 00:20:49,033 But when we move it forward, there's a potential 407 00:20:49,166 --> 00:20:51,467 of it to look a little funny. 408 00:20:52,433 --> 00:20:55,033 So we wanna make sure we get 409 00:20:55,033 --> 00:20:58,567 that. Okay. So directly 410 00:20:58,567 --> 00:20:59,567 - Answer your question from Pat 411 00:20:59,567 --> 00:21:01,100 and we're we'll support the baseline. 412 00:21:01,033 --> 00:21:03,100 - Okay. Thank you Harris. Harris, 413 00:21:03,567 --> 00:21:06,033 - I won't support anything until I see the final numbers. 414 00:21:06,734 --> 00:21:08,467 Okay. Because I get, it's about, it's about 415 00:21:08,467 --> 00:21:10,066 what my colleagues are gonna approve. 416 00:21:10,734 --> 00:21:13,300 - I gotcha. - Or, yeah, 417 00:21:13,333 --> 00:21:15,567 so I didn't understand the word indoors, 418 00:21:15,667 --> 00:21:18,033 but I have no questions as presented, so, 419 00:21:18,066 --> 00:21:19,367 okay. We are moving forward. 420 00:21:20,367 --> 00:21:25,333 - Okay. - I, yeah. 421 00:21:25,634 --> 00:21:29,066 Okay. The word endorse is a little questionable, but yes. 422 00:21:29,133 --> 00:21:31,767 I'm like, are we, are we okay going forward? Yes. 423 00:21:32,133 --> 00:21:33,333 Yes. Without question. 424 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:36,133 - I I was gonna say at some point you're going 425 00:21:36,133 --> 00:21:37,500 to need to do that today. 426 00:21:37,634 --> 00:21:39,700 - Yes, yes. So once we see everything 427 00:21:40,667 --> 00:21:43,934 - Right, but this is before any of that other stuff. 428 00:21:43,934 --> 00:21:45,767 - Yeah, no questions. Okay. It's a good starting point. 429 00:21:45,834 --> 00:21:47,767 How about after we have three unanimous on 430 00:21:47,767 --> 00:21:48,867 - That? No, no. 431 00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:50,834 - Okay. I don't, I can keep my, 432 00:21:51,066 --> 00:21:52,133 are you gonna be the dis descending vote? 433 00:21:52,367 --> 00:21:54,266 - Sure. Just becau just outta the principal 434 00:21:54,367 --> 00:21:55,567 - Just because There you go. 435 00:21:55,767 --> 00:21:56,767 Yeah. 436 00:21:57,133 --> 00:22:01,934 - Okay. So Executive Director, the total 437 00:22:02,533 --> 00:22:07,033 increase in municipal shares for 2027 438 00:22:07,634 --> 00:22:08,867 represents what percentage? 439 00:22:10,166 --> 00:22:14,567 - That is approximately 6.15%. 440 00:22:14,934 --> 00:22:19,233 - Okay. And acknowledging that that varies, the impact to 441 00:22:19,233 --> 00:22:23,867 that varies by municipality based on the changes in the data 442 00:22:23,867 --> 00:22:26,934 points of the, the various formulas. 443 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:28,133 - But just 444 00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:31,266 because there are new people, excuse me, in the room, 445 00:22:32,867 --> 00:22:35,467 that is a, a very rough estimate 446 00:22:35,467 --> 00:22:39,133 because what I'm trying to do to help as transparent 447 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:43,133 as possible is take away Sean's big truck 448 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:47,133 for this year, which is, you know, a million 449 00:22:47,266 --> 00:22:50,934 and a half dollar purchase in 26. 450 00:22:51,367 --> 00:22:55,667 So I am taking that off the top from these 451 00:22:56,133 --> 00:23:00,634 considerations so that you get a truer picture 452 00:23:00,934 --> 00:23:04,333 of a normal operation for the 26th year. 453 00:23:04,367 --> 00:23:09,233 If we looked at a true 26 to 27 budget comparison, 454 00:23:10,033 --> 00:23:11,266 this is a decrease. 455 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:15,367 But it is your shares that I'm trying to get to 456 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:19,066 and it shares themselves be 6.15. 457 00:23:19,433 --> 00:23:22,700 - Right. I have a question to that. Hold, 458 00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:23,700 - Hold on one sec please. 459 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:26,500 So you're, when you talk about the firetruck, 460 00:23:27,266 --> 00:23:31,133 the firetruck wasn't paid for, was paid for last year, 461 00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:34,133 but it was contributed to for many years. 462 00:23:34,467 --> 00:23:36,000 - Yes. - So that doesn't 463 00:23:36,734 --> 00:23:37,867 - Move - The administrative share. Trying 464 00:23:37,934 --> 00:23:41,000 - To separate the conversation from the budget increase 465 00:23:41,266 --> 00:23:42,834 and the shares increase. 466 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:46,266 Your shares increase is 6.15%. Yeah. 467 00:23:46,834 --> 00:23:50,700 The budget would essentially be a decrease. 468 00:23:52,433 --> 00:23:54,300 And if we take the firetruck out, 469 00:23:54,367 --> 00:23:57,834 then it is a very minimal increase overall. 470 00:23:57,934 --> 00:24:01,066 But your shares are going up because of use of upon balance. 471 00:24:01,367 --> 00:24:02,867 - And, and that's a great point. 472 00:24:03,533 --> 00:24:05,066 Again, another one for the 473 00:24:05,166 --> 00:24:07,133 after action, we need 474 00:24:07,133 --> 00:24:12,000 to do a better job telling the expenditure side 475 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:15,033 of the budget, not just solely be focused on 476 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:17,100 the municipal sheriff. 477 00:24:17,133 --> 00:24:19,100 It's the one that impacts us the most. I get it. 478 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,834 But we have a duty fiduciary duty 479 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:26,000 to all the numbers, whether it changes 480 00:24:26,634 --> 00:24:28,000 municipal shares or not. 481 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:29,567 And so that's, and 482 00:24:29,734 --> 00:24:31,100 and there's a great story 483 00:24:31,133 --> 00:24:35,000 to tell if the expenditure budget is decreasing 484 00:24:36,834 --> 00:24:39,467 in particular the operating accounts as opposed 485 00:24:39,467 --> 00:24:42,467 to the capital accounts, that that's a good story 486 00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:44,100 that we should be telling because we 487 00:24:44,834 --> 00:24:47,500 get beat up all the time that cogs spending too much money 488 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,000 and all this kind of stuff. 489 00:24:49,166 --> 00:24:50,734 So that's a story that, 490 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,734 that the Executive Director is gonna 491 00:24:52,734 --> 00:24:53,867 be working towards telling. 492 00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:56,100 So your follow, yeah. 493 00:24:56,166 --> 00:24:59,934 - So I know that you did a little analysis in the Borough 494 00:25:00,066 --> 00:25:04,567 and we did see a decrease in the, in the budgets, 495 00:25:04,634 --> 00:25:08,066 but the operating part of it actually did increase, right. 496 00:25:08,066 --> 00:25:09,834 Because there are operating increases 497 00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:14,266 and so I, I think we got a 14.4% increase in operating 498 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:17,934 and the decreases really coming from all the capital 499 00:25:18,133 --> 00:25:20,300 that we, we are, you know, making different choices. 500 00:25:21,133 --> 00:25:22,533 Am I right in understanding that? 501 00:25:22,734 --> 00:25:25,100 Because that's what our numbers are showing here, 502 00:25:27,367 --> 00:25:30,934 - Say 40% increase - In 14, 14, 14, 14, 14. 503 00:25:30,934 --> 00:25:32,033 Yeah. No, not 40. Sorry. 504 00:25:32,433 --> 00:25:36,033 Oh, that 14 in operating hard to, hard to justify, right? 505 00:25:37,367 --> 00:25:42,100 Yes. So I think there's an increase in operating, 506 00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:45,333 but there's been decisions made on the capital part. 507 00:25:45,367 --> 00:25:49,467 - Yeah. And with, with that increase to operating, 508 00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:54,133 another part that you have remember is that a new 509 00:25:54,834 --> 00:25:58,233 captain was brought online in the fire department. 510 00:25:58,433 --> 00:26:01,867 Those always get budgeted as six months for the first budget 511 00:26:02,166 --> 00:26:05,100 and then for a full year right after that. 512 00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:07,233 So a very large component 513 00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,367 of an operating increase gets tied into 514 00:26:10,166 --> 00:26:13,567 that full year operation of that, of a new person. 515 00:26:13,934 --> 00:26:15,767 - And I think the pools operating right, 516 00:26:15,767 --> 00:26:17,333 like the pool's contribution 517 00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:19,767 that we are making this year is a big change. 518 00:26:20,133 --> 00:26:21,133 Yes. 519 00:26:22,667 --> 00:26:27,634 - Yes. That is a big, okay, 520 00:26:29,066 --> 00:26:33,934 so we're starting at a baseline that we appear 521 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,133 to agree with 522 00:26:36,266 --> 00:26:41,233 and now we're moving into the six C discussions. 523 00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:46,500 So how we're gonna tackle this one 524 00:26:48,667 --> 00:26:53,533 is, your guess is as good as mine, but we'll do our best. 525 00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:57,233 We'll just, Mr. 526 00:26:57,734 --> 00:27:00,066 Director, do you want to start at the, do you want someone 527 00:27:00,066 --> 00:27:02,266 to start at the top and mark down, 528 00:27:03,233 --> 00:27:06,033 or did you, did you have a kind of attack? 529 00:27:06,333 --> 00:27:09,734 - I, I wanted to add just a couple pieces of context 530 00:27:10,133 --> 00:27:11,934 before we move through 531 00:27:12,066 --> 00:27:15,333 and then as you move through, I will also state whether 532 00:27:15,333 --> 00:27:19,000 or not this is something that as a staff we are going 533 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,266 to recommend that you pull completely. 534 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:25,867 But there are two important pieces 535 00:27:27,133 --> 00:27:29,700 for the co building capital side. 536 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:31,266 We currently 537 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:36,066 have all my numbers here. 538 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:43,233 I believe it was 47,000 539 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,734 in funds that were listed as, 540 00:27:53,133 --> 00:27:54,867 it wasn't commit was it committed to? 541 00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:58,867 Assigned. Assigned. Sorry. They were listed as assigned. 542 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,033 These are projects that we are no longer going to pursue. 543 00:28:02,433 --> 00:28:06,767 Okay. In the renovation 544 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:11,300 of the admin suites, Eric had a number of wishes 545 00:28:11,433 --> 00:28:14,367 and plans that I am not following through with. 546 00:28:14,634 --> 00:28:17,734 And so we have saved some money there that is still in 547 00:28:17,734 --> 00:28:19,000 that assigned category. 548 00:28:19,734 --> 00:28:23,266 And so I would recommend that that 47,000, 549 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:28,467 $47,467 be placed 550 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,033 towards at least two of those COG building capital 551 00:28:34,033 --> 00:28:38,433 projects, which would essentially take care 552 00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:39,734 of the fire panel 553 00:28:39,867 --> 00:28:44,100 and the firewall with a little bit despair towards the 554 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:45,000 sprinklers if needed. 555 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,066 Order HPAC. 556 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:51,734 The other piece is a decision to make 557 00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:54,900 for the whole group, but I will recommend this. 558 00:28:55,834 --> 00:29:00,667 We are about ready to move forward with the trailered 559 00:29:01,166 --> 00:29:02,734 bathrooms for Hess Field. 560 00:29:03,634 --> 00:29:08,033 We've been set up with GSA to be able 561 00:29:08,033 --> 00:29:11,133 to purchase off the federal contract agenda's, 562 00:29:11,133 --> 00:29:14,133 been doing work throughout the year in gathering prices from 563 00:29:14,133 --> 00:29:15,634 manufacturers around the country. 564 00:29:16,433 --> 00:29:20,166 And we believe that between the site improvements 565 00:29:20,433 --> 00:29:23,100 and the units themselves, we can do the project 566 00:29:23,266 --> 00:29:25,433 for about $300,000. 567 00:29:25,734 --> 00:29:27,266 Does that same right Jim? 568 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,300 Approximately for the pad 569 00:29:29,433 --> 00:29:34,233 and the units that we need, that would leave us 570 00:29:34,266 --> 00:29:38,634 with $200,000 that had been set aside previously 571 00:29:38,867 --> 00:29:42,734 for these bathrooms that could be applied towards parks 572 00:29:42,734 --> 00:29:44,300 capital projects. 573 00:29:44,867 --> 00:29:49,500 Okay. From that, that again is a choice for you all to make, 574 00:29:51,266 --> 00:29:55,767 but is a suggestion that I would have as a way 575 00:29:55,767 --> 00:29:58,000 to help offset some of these costs. 576 00:29:59,066 --> 00:30:00,867 - So what's, what are you saying 577 00:30:00,867 --> 00:30:03,033 that what's the number 200, how 578 00:30:03,033 --> 00:30:08,100 - Much $200,000 is what we would have in assigned funds 579 00:30:09,066 --> 00:30:12,467 - That you can, that put towards some of the parks and 580 00:30:12,467 --> 00:30:13,467 - Offered put towards something else 581 00:30:15,433 --> 00:30:19,133 that there's a $500,000 pot assigned towards 582 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,066 the bathrooms at Hess Field. 583 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:25,133 If we move forward now with the trailer restrooms, 584 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:29,700 we can put in pads, run the utilities 585 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:33,367 and purchase the units that we need for approximately 300 586 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:38,066 if we free up the other 200. 587 00:30:38,333 --> 00:30:41,867 Now that can go towards other parks capital projects. 588 00:30:42,867 --> 00:30:47,500 - And to also put that into perspective for 2027 589 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:53,834 there, the, what was presented was a, a municipal share 590 00:30:54,233 --> 00:30:57,033 of $3,301. 591 00:30:57,367 --> 00:31:01,066 So it's, you know, it's, I'm just gonna offer 592 00:31:01,066 --> 00:31:05,233 that opportunities like that should look first at 593 00:31:06,033 --> 00:31:08,066 offsetting municipal shares 594 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:13,000 and then be looked at for adding 595 00:31:13,667 --> 00:31:16,066 new stuff, just as a thought. 596 00:31:16,867 --> 00:31:20,333 - So the way I'm seeing these two opportunities are 597 00:31:20,367 --> 00:31:22,734 that an unassigned fund balance, 598 00:31:23,033 --> 00:31:24,867 I mean an assigned fund balance is kind 599 00:31:24,867 --> 00:31:26,934 of moving towards unassigned, right? 600 00:31:26,934 --> 00:31:28,100 We have this money available, 601 00:31:28,634 --> 00:31:33,033 but since the general forum has assigned these is they're a 602 00:31:33,033 --> 00:31:34,066 process to be followed. 603 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:38,634 How do we move it to pay for one thing versus another thing? 604 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,834 - You can assign that through the budget process. Okay. 605 00:31:42,066 --> 00:31:44,634 - Okay. The budget process is the process to, 606 00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:46,500 - Right. 607 00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:49,867 So that just, you know, I, I have a table here of the amount 608 00:31:49,934 --> 00:31:52,700 of unassigned fund balance that exists in admin 609 00:31:52,734 --> 00:31:54,300 and, you know, what's the minimum and all that. 610 00:31:54,433 --> 00:31:59,000 So right now, for example, I'm, I am looking at this as 611 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:04,033 whatever amount I had plus 47,000 is now kind of unassigned 612 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,634 fund balance in admin 613 00:32:07,033 --> 00:32:12,000 and whatever we had in regional parks plus 200,000 614 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,033 from Hess is now unassigned in a sense. 615 00:32:15,867 --> 00:32:16,867 Yes. Thank you. 616 00:32:18,767 --> 00:32:20,500 - Could could be if you choose that. 617 00:32:20,834 --> 00:32:23,934 - Yes. I'm just thinking of it as this is kind 618 00:32:23,934 --> 00:32:25,467 of available, it's flexible. 619 00:32:26,033 --> 00:32:29,934 We can assign it to some Yeah. Not to fund balance. 620 00:32:30,333 --> 00:32:32,033 - Well, to a degree, yeah, 621 00:32:32,066 --> 00:32:35,567 because the, the, the construction 622 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:37,634 of various fund balances. 623 00:32:38,033 --> 00:32:40,367 Some everybody's in, some are only in Yes. 624 00:32:40,567 --> 00:32:41,734 All that kind of stuff Makes sense. So you have 625 00:32:41,734 --> 00:32:42,834 to be careful about makes sense 626 00:32:43,133 --> 00:32:45,033 where you are using somebody else's money. Good 627 00:32:45,033 --> 00:32:46,033 - Point. 628 00:32:46,033 --> 00:32:47,266 Okay. Yes. I have a question. 629 00:32:48,867 --> 00:32:51,066 I do believe that when we put that money aside, 630 00:32:51,066 --> 00:32:52,000 it was 600,000. 631 00:32:52,533 --> 00:32:54,767 This is several years ago for permanent bathroom. 632 00:32:55,033 --> 00:32:58,934 It has to be. So where is this 500,000 coming from? 633 00:33:00,066 --> 00:33:02,000 - So I, I'm working off of memory this, 634 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,233 - It was 600,000 in there for per 635 00:33:05,333 --> 00:33:08,266 - That there was lighting, there was a, there are two pieces 636 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:09,700 to the Hess component. 637 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:10,934 There's a lighting component 638 00:33:10,934 --> 00:33:12,100 and then there are the bathrooms. 639 00:33:12,066 --> 00:33:15,567 Right. And it comes to about 1.1 million, I believe the, so, 640 00:33:15,567 --> 00:33:17,934 - So what my question is that 500 is not the 641 00:33:17,934 --> 00:33:19,000 600 that was put away. 642 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,467 - Correct. Two - Separate. Okay. 643 00:33:20,467 --> 00:33:21,934 That's, that's my question. Okay. 644 00:33:23,533 --> 00:33:25,533 - Plus, so we're - Right in the ballpark about 645 00:33:25,533 --> 00:33:27,133 500,000 for the bathrooms. 646 00:33:27,333 --> 00:33:29,100 Yes. Just for clarification, 647 00:33:29,333 --> 00:33:32,100 - I, I am comfortable with least saying we could 648 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,500 move $200,000 to the unassigned 649 00:33:36,834 --> 00:33:39,734 - And, and I would offer that, that this is intended 650 00:33:39,834 --> 00:33:41,333 as an interim step. 651 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,266 We still are gonna need money 652 00:33:43,734 --> 00:33:45,367 to get towards the permanent step. 653 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:47,567 And so I'm very comfortable with you taking, 654 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:50,734 potentially taking less to continue 655 00:33:50,734 --> 00:33:52,000 to move that all forward. 656 00:33:52,734 --> 00:33:55,133 - But, and, and just for FYI, 657 00:33:56,033 --> 00:33:58,634 when we did our, the new 658 00:34:01,133 --> 00:34:05,500 - Capital - Improvement cap, no, the planning 659 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,000 and we did the planning model, which we met the other night, 660 00:34:08,667 --> 00:34:11,700 the two areas we identified as future 661 00:34:13,066 --> 00:34:14,867 sewer facilities with Shingle town 662 00:34:14,867 --> 00:34:17,634 because of the nature of that community. 663 00:34:17,867 --> 00:34:22,033 And so I will tell you going forward, it will be easy 664 00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:25,500 for Harris to support that if we ever do put sewer down 665 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:26,500 - There. 666 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:27,266 Good, good. 667 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,934 That question Mr. Haller? 668 00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:36,100 - Yes. Thank you for that. To the earlier point here, 669 00:34:36,467 --> 00:34:39,700 I would be a fan of, of course of using that 47,000 for the, 670 00:34:39,934 --> 00:34:42,634 the COD building area as well as the 200,000 671 00:34:43,467 --> 00:34:46,367 to Rich your point, the idea of, you know, 672 00:34:46,367 --> 00:34:48,133 offsetting the municipal shares first 673 00:34:48,467 --> 00:34:50,133 and then looking at other things. 674 00:34:50,867 --> 00:34:53,100 I appreciate that anytime that we've, you know, 675 00:34:53,333 --> 00:34:55,634 approved money or that the cos received money from the 676 00:34:55,634 --> 00:34:57,133 municipalities, I don't want 677 00:34:57,133 --> 00:35:00,100 to see it sitting there just essentially wasting away. 678 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:01,867 And I think this is a good way of going ahead 679 00:35:01,867 --> 00:35:04,100 and saying, Hey, we can use that to offset some of this now. 680 00:35:04,066 --> 00:35:07,000 So I appreciate that would be in support of it. 681 00:35:07,266 --> 00:35:09,000 And I will drop off here in about a 682 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,066 minute or so. So thank you. 683 00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:14,634 - Great. Just similar as I offered for Parks capital 684 00:35:15,367 --> 00:35:17,734 for building capital, there is no ask 685 00:35:17,834 --> 00:35:19,734 for municipal shares in 27, 686 00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:23,367 so there's no offset available there. 687 00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:31,066 Okay. So is that the only use of 688 00:35:32,133 --> 00:35:35,300 or adjustment to fund balance? We 689 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:38,033 - Do not have a lot of spare fund balance 690 00:35:38,033 --> 00:35:40,033 to use on, on these things. 691 00:35:40,066 --> 00:35:42,133 So those, those are the two areas I wanted to cover first. 692 00:35:42,467 --> 00:35:44,166 - Great. Okay. 693 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:48,033 So we'll start down through the sig C. 694 00:35:48,033 --> 00:35:49,734 Did you want to go in the order 695 00:35:50,033 --> 00:35:51,900 of the printouts that you provided us? 696 00:35:52,266 --> 00:35:55,867 And I'm, yes. 697 00:35:56,767 --> 00:36:01,433 - I believe if I recall last year the, the committee 698 00:36:02,033 --> 00:36:05,934 identified items that they were truly 699 00:36:07,033 --> 00:36:10,100 opposed to, if that's an appropriate word, that, 700 00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:13,000 that there was a consensus to not fund. 701 00:36:13,567 --> 00:36:15,767 And then we went through the list of everything 702 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000 that was up for discussion. 703 00:36:19,266 --> 00:36:21,734 I will introduce again the conversation 704 00:36:21,734 --> 00:36:24,266 that we had earlier this week where some 705 00:36:24,266 --> 00:36:26,900 of these items may already be tabled. 706 00:36:28,734 --> 00:36:32,133 I it would, we, we'll get those as as we go. Okay. Real 707 00:36:32,367 --> 00:36:33,166 - Simple. We 708 00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:37,433 - Night, okay the order, these are in no particular order. 709 00:36:37,634 --> 00:36:40,500 I took these directly out of the six Z book. 710 00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:42,100 So they are in the order 711 00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:43,433 that they were presented in the book 712 00:36:43,433 --> 00:36:44,667 itself earlier this year. 713 00:36:45,033 --> 00:36:46,667 And that is the printout that you're looking at. 714 00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:48,133 So the way the table is designed, 715 00:36:49,467 --> 00:36:53,533 we've got the clear gov expenditure, this is the best 716 00:36:53,533 --> 00:36:56,166 that I could do, particularly for personnel. 717 00:36:56,734 --> 00:36:58,667 I had to do some math there to get to 718 00:36:59,033 --> 00:37:01,166 what the current operating budget is. 719 00:37:01,934 --> 00:37:04,867 Then there is the request, the sig e impact, 720 00:37:04,867 --> 00:37:06,367 which is coming off of the tables 721 00:37:06,367 --> 00:37:07,734 that were presented in the SIG e. 722 00:37:09,033 --> 00:37:11,100 And then I just did a little bit of an 723 00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:12,867 what would the updated budget look like. 724 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:15,266 I think that column is secondary to some 725 00:37:15,266 --> 00:37:16,266 of the other conversation 726 00:37:17,033 --> 00:37:20,033 because for example, if you were to approve both 727 00:37:20,033 --> 00:37:21,367 of the parks capital items, 728 00:37:22,033 --> 00:37:24,133 those updated budget numbers are individual, 729 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:25,667 but we'd be able to do the math 730 00:37:25,667 --> 00:37:27,000 to show what that would look like. 731 00:37:28,266 --> 00:37:30,000 The ranking was a request. 732 00:37:30,266 --> 00:37:32,133 We've got the COG ranking 733 00:37:32,133 --> 00:37:33,934 and then we've got the agency ranking, 734 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,300 which might help you determine how, what, what is, 735 00:37:37,333 --> 00:37:38,634 what is the priority for you 736 00:37:39,133 --> 00:37:41,133 and then what the rest of the table is. 737 00:37:41,867 --> 00:37:45,367 It just shows, I don't have the label on every green row, 738 00:37:45,367 --> 00:37:49,100 but they are in the order of the blue box Borough College, 739 00:37:49,233 --> 00:37:51,033 Ferguson, half Moon, Harris Patton, 740 00:37:52,033 --> 00:37:54,767 all the way the total municipal shares tied 741 00:37:54,767 --> 00:37:55,767 to the CIG e request. 742 00:37:56,066 --> 00:37:58,867 And then if there is a potential ongoing expense 743 00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:01,000 that's reflected in the column there. 744 00:38:01,367 --> 00:38:05,300 But I believe that in the past the conversation has been 745 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:08,467 do we want it, can we afford it? 746 00:38:08,834 --> 00:38:11,133 And then what would it look like if my municipality 747 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,934 committed to that particular item? 748 00:38:13,367 --> 00:38:17,066 There is a rollup sheet that's another tab in the workbook. 749 00:38:18,033 --> 00:38:19,667 It's not entirely linked yet, 750 00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:22,000 but I would be able to put that together very quickly 751 00:38:22,767 --> 00:38:27,100 following what items you agree to or don't really need. 752 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,934 Right now, the table links to the entire sig e column 753 00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,233 in municipal shares 754 00:38:32,233 --> 00:38:34,767 because not everything is using municipal shares, 755 00:38:35,066 --> 00:38:36,700 fire cap fire being one of them. 756 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,033 But the update to that is just me 757 00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:41,700 fixing a couple of quick links. 758 00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:44,066 - Chair. - Yes. 759 00:38:45,834 --> 00:38:46,834 - I don't know about others, 760 00:38:47,133 --> 00:38:49,500 but it would actually help me if we knew 761 00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:50,567 what is off the table. 762 00:38:50,634 --> 00:38:54,500 Like just quickly, like what is being removed, just 763 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:59,000 to get a sense of are there any big numbers elsewhere being 764 00:38:59,166 --> 00:39:03,700 taken off before we go down the list. 765 00:39:04,333 --> 00:39:07,300 - Can staff support that or is that like more, is that a 766 00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:11,266 - It is more difficult, but okay, I, 767 00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:12,700 because we were just going 768 00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:14,367 to do a quick run through to see if, 769 00:39:15,467 --> 00:39:19,033 - Let's have a consensus, which way do we want, 770 00:39:19,033 --> 00:39:20,867 do you want 'em up front or can we go 771 00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:22,567 as, can we clean as we go? 772 00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:24,634 - I, I like to just do the, the run 773 00:39:24,634 --> 00:39:26,533 through like Ben's saying first we won't, we don't have 774 00:39:26,533 --> 00:39:28,634 to make a decision on it, but at least we can hear people 775 00:39:28,634 --> 00:39:29,634 - Thoughts little bit. 776 00:39:29,634 --> 00:39:30,734 We don't have to make a decision. 777 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,066 - Okay. So systematically go from there. 778 00:39:33,133 --> 00:39:36,533 To your point, how we did last year isn't gonna, 779 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,233 we've changed so much. 780 00:39:39,834 --> 00:39:43,333 So this is my umpteenth reinvention 781 00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:45,934 of the final day of the budget session 782 00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:47,367 and we'll get through it. 783 00:39:49,667 --> 00:39:50,767 So with that, 784 00:39:51,233 --> 00:39:53,934 let's just go into the parks operating capital. 785 00:39:54,634 --> 00:39:57,533 Are there any that are off the table at this time 786 00:39:58,700 --> 00:39:59,834 - For parks operating? 787 00:39:59,834 --> 00:40:01,934 That would just be the janitorial position 788 00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:06,033 and this point I would leave that in which, 789 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,634 - Which is the janitorial - Position maintenance full-time. 790 00:40:09,467 --> 00:40:11,834 Is that the, they're leaving that the first line. Are 791 00:40:11,834 --> 00:40:13,867 - You saying you're leaving that in or taking out? 792 00:40:13,867 --> 00:40:15,133 Leaving that one in. Okay. 793 00:40:15,433 --> 00:40:17,533 - And and that is the maintenance full-time position 794 00:40:17,533 --> 00:40:18,934 that we're seeing the first line, correct. 795 00:40:18,934 --> 00:40:22,500 - 30 2007 46. Okay. Is that, and 796 00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:23,500 - Then what would it be next year? 797 00:40:25,567 --> 00:40:30,000 - I mean it's on, - It would be the salary, 798 00:40:30,433 --> 00:40:32,133 the salary of that person. It would be, 799 00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,100 - So we're gonna add 60,000 800 00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:35,133 right away to next year's budget. 801 00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,700 - Next year's, next year's budget. 802 00:40:38,734 --> 00:40:43,500 The 2027 budget actually sees relief in the fact 803 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:46,133 that this person is coming on at a 804 00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:48,567 Q2, April one. 805 00:40:48,867 --> 00:40:51,066 So it's a 75% salary 806 00:40:52,233 --> 00:40:55,000 and that person would be doing the janitorial, 807 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,100 which the contract has averaged for all the locations 808 00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:03,934 that are impacted between 44 and 47 or $48,000. 809 00:41:04,367 --> 00:41:07,467 And that would include the adult center, the admin office 810 00:41:07,567 --> 00:41:09,634 for parks, and then both of the pools. 811 00:41:10,467 --> 00:41:13,300 - How much money will be saving, in other words, if you, 812 00:41:13,333 --> 00:41:15,634 if if what we're paying now for janitorial 813 00:41:15,934 --> 00:41:19,233 - Services, so this is the net impact number, which is, so 814 00:41:19,233 --> 00:41:20,300 that takes out what you're already, 815 00:41:20,367 --> 00:41:22,934 - It eliminates approximately 44,000 in 816 00:41:23,233 --> 00:41:24,533 contracted cleaning expenses. 817 00:41:25,133 --> 00:41:28,100 Yes. And if we add the bathrooms to Hess, we also have 818 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:30,333 to clean the bathrooms at Hess. 819 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:34,767 - So I is it right to say that next year 820 00:41:36,033 --> 00:41:40,133 the impact this year the salary is 821 00:41:40,133 --> 00:41:43,266 76,000 approximately in April, approximately. 822 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:46,867 And so next year it's about 101,000 for the whole year 823 00:41:47,367 --> 00:41:49,867 and you would subtract 44,000 from it 824 00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:51,100 - For 27. 825 00:41:51,266 --> 00:41:53,834 Right? Because otherwise Christie would have to 826 00:41:54,533 --> 00:41:56,734 renegotiate a contract for 27. 827 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,066 Yes. And instead of that, we bring this person on 828 00:42:00,533 --> 00:42:02,133 maybe the first or second week of April, 829 00:42:02,567 --> 00:42:03,734 we have them for the year. 830 00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:08,300 So we actually have savings of her not having 831 00:42:08,333 --> 00:42:11,033 to renew a contract in order to get all 832 00:42:11,033 --> 00:42:13,233 of these facilities cleaned going forward. 833 00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:15,000 This person is full-time staff 834 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,033 - And you have the 44,000 savings, 835 00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,533 but it would cost us maybe around 60 from next year. 836 00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:24,567 - Right. Which is, if you look at the SIG e, that's that 69. 837 00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:27,834 But we can't in perpetuity say that we have 838 00:42:28,266 --> 00:42:32,266 a savings ongoing based on the contract being terminated At 839 00:42:32,266 --> 00:42:35,100 some point, this person is a staff expense 840 00:42:35,033 --> 00:42:38,233 and they're going to have all of the related wage expenses, 841 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,000 you know, attached to that. 842 00:42:40,433 --> 00:42:43,567 The biggest benefit is in the first year of not having 843 00:42:43,567 --> 00:42:44,634 to renew the contract 844 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:47,266 and bringing someone on who's able to do the work. 845 00:42:47,667 --> 00:42:51,233 - But what I, it says on here it's almost, it's 90, 846 00:42:51,233 --> 00:42:53,100 almost 99,000 ongoing. 847 00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:56,367 - Yes. That is the, that is the true cost 848 00:42:56,433 --> 00:43:00,867 of this person's salary, FICA potential benefits 849 00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,000 and everything that's attached to the fringe. 850 00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:05,634 So we believe that 851 00:43:05,767 --> 00:43:10,634 that is really the true ongoing cost once we get past 852 00:43:11,133 --> 00:43:12,333 the year without the contract 853 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,300 - And then you subtract off maybe 32 from 854 00:43:15,433 --> 00:43:17,266 what you were doing for contract, you're 855 00:43:17,266 --> 00:43:20,066 - Also never paying that $44,000 cleaning contract. Yes. 856 00:43:20,734 --> 00:43:23,533 - Right. So that would be subtracted from the 99,000 857 00:43:24,233 --> 00:43:25,233 - Essentially. 858 00:43:25,233 --> 00:43:27,567 But we're saying that for transparency's sake, 859 00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:30,266 we're recognizing this is the true cost of this employee 860 00:43:30,266 --> 00:43:31,867 and it will eventually get wrapped up. 861 00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:35,867 We don't expect everyone to remember years from now 862 00:43:36,367 --> 00:43:39,367 that we once upon a time had a $44,000 cleaning cost. 863 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:42,000 - I understand. But that, but but still the net, all this, 864 00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,133 - The - Net would be close to 60,000. 865 00:43:44,567 --> 00:43:46,834 Yes. Per year. That's what we're in. 866 00:43:47,166 --> 00:43:52,033 - Yes. In 2028 going forward it, you can't factor 867 00:43:52,166 --> 00:43:54,300 how much the contract might have went up 868 00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:56,667 and then we know the wages 869 00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:58,667 and benefits will probably go up and they 870 00:43:58,667 --> 00:44:01,000 - Are, while we're sending them towards janitorial, 871 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,433 they will be doing more than just janitorial work. 872 00:44:03,767 --> 00:44:06,667 Jim has plenty of work that we need 873 00:44:06,667 --> 00:44:08,166 to get done. Well they be cutting her 874 00:44:08,266 --> 00:44:12,867 - Ass. So 875 00:44:13,033 --> 00:44:17,066 - If needed, - I mean Pat, how when with the, 876 00:44:17,433 --> 00:44:20,133 when we submitted this with supporting a part-time. 877 00:44:20,634 --> 00:44:23,333 So from our point of view we do not support this. Okay. 878 00:44:24,567 --> 00:44:28,567 - Okay. Going back to the original question, 879 00:44:31,166 --> 00:44:32,767 we're seeing four items there. 880 00:44:33,133 --> 00:44:36,033 Are any of those being pulled by staff? 881 00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:39,500 Any of the four showing right there? 882 00:44:39,934 --> 00:44:42,100 Are any of those being pulled by staff? 883 00:44:42,634 --> 00:44:45,266 - You have, - We have the maintenance full-time, 884 00:44:45,266 --> 00:44:48,634 we have the recreation software, we have the portable lift 885 00:44:48,667 --> 00:44:50,734 and we have the Silverado crew cab, 886 00:44:51,834 --> 00:44:55,033 - The rec software, the portable lift 887 00:44:55,734 --> 00:44:59,033 and the cab would all 888 00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:02,533 be going forward. 889 00:45:02,934 --> 00:45:04,700 So all of those items would move forward. 890 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,533 The portable lift and the crew cap at least could, 891 00:45:11,033 --> 00:45:14,133 and the initial cost of rec software 892 00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:19,867 could be taken out of the $200,000 in fund balance. 893 00:45:20,767 --> 00:45:24,367 - Okay. So just going forward, 894 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:28,834 we're gonna go each green block section 895 00:45:29,934 --> 00:45:31,734 staff is gonna tell us what they're pulling 896 00:45:31,734 --> 00:45:35,100 before we even talk about it and then we're gonna come back 897 00:45:35,233 --> 00:45:38,000 and talk about what's remaining. 898 00:45:38,133 --> 00:45:40,266 So for Parks operating 899 00:45:40,266 --> 00:45:43,567 and Capital, we have four staff is requesting 900 00:45:43,567 --> 00:45:46,066 that all four proceed forward. 901 00:45:46,834 --> 00:45:49,367 So we will start with the park specialist. 902 00:45:49,433 --> 00:45:54,000 We heard from the patent that was a no. Am I, am I correct? 903 00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:55,266 Correct. Harris, 904 00:45:56,066 --> 00:46:00,700 - Harris would, would, would we'll say no until we hear 905 00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:03,000 that we're gonna do this. 906 00:46:03,634 --> 00:46:06,233 COG wise, COG whole wide, we do it all. 907 00:46:06,266 --> 00:46:10,066 We, we have, we have janitorial for this building. 908 00:46:10,133 --> 00:46:12,834 You have the library, you know, we pay all these agencies 909 00:46:12,834 --> 00:46:15,100 and there's a little bit more money than 44,000. 910 00:46:16,133 --> 00:46:18,500 If, if we're gonna do this, which we've been asking to do 911 00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:22,000 for I don't know how many years, I would be in favor if, 912 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,166 if we're gonna include it in all COG, if not come back 913 00:46:26,166 --> 00:46:27,734 and you can include it with all COG. 914 00:46:28,066 --> 00:46:30,433 - Okay. So that at this time is a no. 915 00:46:31,033 --> 00:46:32,000 - Yes. - Borough. 916 00:46:32,834 --> 00:46:36,634 - The Borough was a yes on this considering the offset 917 00:46:36,634 --> 00:46:37,934 of janitorial costs 918 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,700 and it looks like the need for this across bunks. 919 00:46:42,133 --> 00:46:45,166 - Okay. Ferguson? Yes. Okay. 920 00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:54,900 Hmm. College, college has currently has this as a No. 921 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,900 So at this point it's not moving forward. 922 00:46:59,467 --> 00:47:02,066 Now the only thing I'll offer is that was 923 00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:06,066 before the discussion of three 200,000 assigned. 924 00:47:07,767 --> 00:47:12,066 Now this is the maintenance is a operating fund 925 00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:14,100 expense, not a capital fund. 926 00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:17,133 So it could be funded by an inner fund 927 00:47:17,634 --> 00:47:19,266 transfer from capital to 928 00:47:19,266 --> 00:47:20,266 - Operating. 929 00:47:20,266 --> 00:47:22,033 I would not recommend that 930 00:47:22,033 --> 00:47:24,133 because I do not wish to put 931 00:47:25,133 --> 00:47:27,066 one time funds into ongoing account. 932 00:47:27,066 --> 00:47:28,266 Sounds good. Because that just gets us 933 00:47:28,266 --> 00:47:29,734 right back to where we we are. Right. 934 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,300 - But it is an option. - It it's 935 00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:33,300 - An option. 936 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:36,100 It's a bad option. Yes, but it is an option. An option. 937 00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,100 It's there. Okay. 938 00:47:37,834 --> 00:47:39,066 Running down the fund balance 939 00:47:39,166 --> 00:47:41,467 so far last year was a, it was an option. 940 00:47:42,333 --> 00:47:44,233 Okay. Alright. 941 00:47:44,467 --> 00:47:48,634 So I'm hearing that one half moons 942 00:47:49,467 --> 00:47:51,066 is not involved in this one. 943 00:47:52,166 --> 00:47:56,867 So we're looking at it sound like a three, two, no. Okay. 944 00:47:58,033 --> 00:47:59,233 Recreation software 945 00:48:01,333 --> 00:48:03,133 or Yes, Harris. 946 00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:07,133 Yes. But we would like to see how much money we're saving. 947 00:48:08,634 --> 00:48:10,700 Okay. Yes, yes. 948 00:48:11,533 --> 00:48:12,667 College is a yes, 949 00:48:12,867 --> 00:48:15,433 but I will further stipulate that it comes from the 950 00:48:16,266 --> 00:48:19,033 200 K unassigned assigned. 951 00:48:19,367 --> 00:48:20,934 That's also ongoing. Somewhat. 952 00:48:21,433 --> 00:48:24,700 - Yes. There, there's this purchase then ongoing 953 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:26,367 process as well. 954 00:48:28,734 --> 00:48:31,533 - And I'm comfortable with in the following years, 955 00:48:33,133 --> 00:48:35,367 taking on the operational expense. 956 00:48:35,433 --> 00:48:36,433 But the initial, 957 00:48:38,066 --> 00:48:39,133 - The initial out of this Yeah. 958 00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:41,233 - Is what I'm offering. 959 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:48,100 Which could you offer what those two numbers are? 960 00:48:48,367 --> 00:48:51,133 The initial and then the, and the ongoing. 961 00:48:53,567 --> 00:48:56,433 - Gotta get into the bigger book. It 962 00:48:56,433 --> 00:48:59,100 - Says the ongoing 13, 13, 13,000. 963 00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:01,133 Yeah, it's less, it's less than the initial. 964 00:49:01,133 --> 00:49:02,767 There's an implementation upfront. 965 00:49:02,767 --> 00:49:05,133 Implementation fees, what is it? 966 00:49:05,133 --> 00:49:08,166 We don't have the initial number though that I'm not seeing. 967 00:49:08,166 --> 00:49:11,767 22 78 2 2 7. That looks like a net impact number. 968 00:49:12,033 --> 00:49:15,367 So there's no offset. I'm just confirming. 969 00:49:15,367 --> 00:49:18,934 Oh, for, for I'm confirming that there's, you know, 970 00:49:18,934 --> 00:49:22,300 we're not saving something somewhere else or 971 00:49:24,133 --> 00:49:28,266 - Current direct software is 15,400 annually proposed. 972 00:49:28,266 --> 00:49:31,934 2027 pricing includes setup training in the mobile app at a 973 00:49:31,934 --> 00:49:35,000 total first year cost of 38,180. 974 00:49:35,634 --> 00:49:37,033 Beginning in 2028. 975 00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,066 The estimated ongoing annual software cost is approximately 976 00:49:40,467 --> 00:49:41,934 $13,060. 977 00:49:43,033 --> 00:49:47,166 So it will cost less than the 15 four 978 00:49:47,333 --> 00:49:49,066 for our current software system 979 00:49:52,133 --> 00:49:55,100 and they build an 3% inflationary 980 00:49:55,433 --> 00:49:57,133 increase into that. 981 00:49:59,634 --> 00:50:02,500 - So I would offer again, can we fund the initial 982 00:50:03,667 --> 00:50:06,100 via inter fund transfer from Parks Capital didn't 983 00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:07,467 - Save money - Going forward. 984 00:50:08,033 --> 00:50:11,767 Yes. Is that agreeable for the committee? Yes. 985 00:50:12,033 --> 00:50:14,533 Staff understanding that one. Okay. Good. 986 00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:21,433 Portable lift Pat? 987 00:50:21,533 --> 00:50:25,634 Yes. Yes. Harris We're neutral on that one. 988 00:50:25,834 --> 00:50:28,133 I'm sorry Todd, I don't think I got got you on that last one 989 00:50:28,734 --> 00:50:32,500 - Or Yes, I, I go how did we get from 38 to 22? 990 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,233 - The, the offset? - Oh, because you're getting out 991 00:50:38,867 --> 00:50:40,000 - Because we're - Getting rid of one 992 00:50:40,266 --> 00:50:41,266 - System. 993 00:50:41,266 --> 00:50:43,333 An annual amount. Yeah. I'm 994 00:50:43,333 --> 00:50:44,333 - Gonna, I'm gonna fix this. 995 00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:47,100 So Port Beli 996 00:50:47,767 --> 00:50:48,767 - Good? 997 00:50:48,767 --> 00:50:52,734 - Yes, yes. Pat? Yes. Harriss Yes. Yes. 998 00:50:53,166 --> 00:50:57,333 College, yes. Silverado crew 999 00:50:57,467 --> 00:51:02,100 cab, the Borough, 1000 00:51:03,033 --> 00:51:04,100 - The borough's a yes. 1001 00:51:04,533 --> 00:51:07,467 But the comment was are there ways to look at 1002 00:51:09,567 --> 00:51:11,533 lesser, you know, expensive you were there 1003 00:51:12,667 --> 00:51:16,133 and you know, just looking at options to get it as cheaply 1004 00:51:16,133 --> 00:51:17,834 as possible, whether not new. 1005 00:51:18,533 --> 00:51:20,033 What are the other options? I will 1006 00:51:20,333 --> 00:51:22,767 - Ring up the same thing every time we come to this, 1007 00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:25,500 which is that, how long did your last truck last Jim? 1008 00:51:26,533 --> 00:51:28,100 - It's a 15-year-old vehicle. 1009 00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:34,100 - We take care of everything that we get. And so 1010 00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:36,066 - Your current truck is 15 years old? 1011 00:51:38,333 --> 00:51:40,100 Replace in this way. I'm sorry. 1012 00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:43,767 Yes, it 1013 00:51:46,667 --> 00:51:47,667 - Eric. 1014 00:51:47,667 --> 00:51:48,133 Okay, 1015 00:51:48,433 --> 00:51:51,734 - We will, we'll show you after we really answer a Toyota. 1016 00:51:52,667 --> 00:51:54,133 - Okay. Patent. 1017 00:51:54,634 --> 00:51:56,233 - We have the this kind of as a yes, 1018 00:51:56,266 --> 00:51:57,834 but also potential defer. 1019 00:51:57,834 --> 00:51:59,934 But now that I'm hearing maybe we could move 1020 00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:01,734 over money from the other. 1021 00:52:01,767 --> 00:52:05,734 Would we'd be a a from a weak Yes. To a stronger yes. 1022 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,033 - Okay. Ferguson, 1023 00:52:10,467 --> 00:52:12,433 - They wanted to know whether it can be pushed a year 1024 00:52:13,066 --> 00:52:14,100 and we want to know what the year. 1025 00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:17,333 So we have a year also kind of a No. 1026 00:52:18,033 --> 00:52:20,266 - Okay, that's fine. Not - Kind of, no, no. 1027 00:52:21,066 --> 00:52:23,066 - Even though I don't, I have a comment Mr. 1028 00:52:23,066 --> 00:52:24,834 - Chair. Is it a fuzzy if it's a fuzzy No, 1029 00:52:26,066 --> 00:52:27,834 - Sorry to, I just didn't want you to skip Please. 1030 00:52:28,033 --> 00:52:29,133 But I, I believe 1031 00:52:29,133 --> 00:52:32,133 that the potential ongoing should at least have some monies 1032 00:52:32,133 --> 00:52:33,934 in there because even though it's a new vehicle, 1033 00:52:33,934 --> 00:52:35,100 you're still gonna have maintenance. 1034 00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:40,567 - We will have less maintenance on this on a new truck than 1035 00:52:40,567 --> 00:52:43,133 we will on the currently 14-year-old truck. 1036 00:52:45,266 --> 00:52:46,934 - Correct. But they're still ongoing 1037 00:52:48,133 --> 00:52:49,033 - There. It's less, 1038 00:52:49,467 --> 00:52:51,133 - It it's replacing a vehicle. 1039 00:52:51,066 --> 00:52:53,734 So there's already expense for that vehicle. Okay. Yes. 1040 00:52:53,734 --> 00:52:56,033 You're indicating that that potential is, 1041 00:52:56,033 --> 00:52:57,734 it's actually might be a yes. Think 1042 00:52:57,734 --> 00:52:59,900 - This would be a savings in - Our maintenance. 1043 00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:02,934 It might, but you're worst casing it at zero. Yes. 1044 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,100 Okay, great. 1045 00:53:05,533 --> 00:53:09,000 So college was, is a yes and 1046 00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:12,133 but I would condition that on use of the 1047 00:53:13,367 --> 00:53:16,433 previously assigned funds so as not 1048 00:53:16,433 --> 00:53:18,533 to increase municipal shares. 1049 00:53:18,533 --> 00:53:20,266 Yes. One time thing. One time thing 1050 00:53:20,266 --> 00:53:22,266 for a one time thing works greatly. 1051 00:53:23,133 --> 00:53:25,033 Okay. Hey congrats. 1052 00:53:25,033 --> 00:53:28,233 We made it through one category, pools, capital, 1053 00:53:29,634 --> 00:53:32,000 and this one's gonna be in light 1054 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,634 of the pools operating number 1055 00:53:36,066 --> 00:53:37,734 may Interesting discussion. 1056 00:53:38,133 --> 00:53:41,867 Any of those to be poll staff indicating poll 1057 00:53:41,867 --> 00:53:42,934 before we even start 1058 00:53:43,533 --> 00:53:47,734 - We'll pull everything but the splash pad resurfacing. 1059 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,734 - Okay, that's 55,000 can see it. 1060 00:53:53,367 --> 00:53:55,834 - Everything but the splash pad. Okay. 1061 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,100 - Yes, I, I know I mentioned when I came around 1062 00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,500 to the municipalities that Todd would be doing inspections 1063 00:54:01,533 --> 00:54:04,834 at the end of the season to see what condition everything 1064 00:54:05,266 --> 00:54:10,033 was in and everything has survived another year. 1065 00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:14,934 So we will move forward next year. 1066 00:54:15,333 --> 00:54:18,000 You'll likely see these requests again next year. 1067 00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:22,066 They're going to all have to be replaced at some point, 1068 00:54:22,233 --> 00:54:26,000 but considering the already 1069 00:54:27,033 --> 00:54:30,000 large increase, we will do our best to get 1070 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,066 through another year with that. 1071 00:54:32,066 --> 00:54:35,900 However, the splash pad resurfacing, we think really needs 1072 00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:38,133 to be done before that causes more damage 1073 00:54:38,133 --> 00:54:40,767 to the underlying surface. 1074 00:54:41,867 --> 00:54:45,700 - Makes sense. Okay. Round the morning Ferguson 1075 00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:48,100 - We're a yes. 1076 00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:49,500 'cause it's a repair, basically 1077 00:54:52,033 --> 00:54:53,300 - Patented. Turn 1078 00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:55,266 - This into a yes from a defer 1079 00:54:55,266 --> 00:54:56,934 because of pulling the other ones. 1080 00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:00,133 - So excellent. - Yeah, we're, I'm a yes, but I, 1081 00:55:00,133 --> 00:55:02,900 but going forward when these things come back, 1082 00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:04,033 if we're gonna add features 1083 00:55:04,033 --> 00:55:06,533 or update features, we should see 1084 00:55:06,533 --> 00:55:07,700 some increase in the rates. 1085 00:55:08,467 --> 00:55:10,333 Something that the park and rec or 1086 00:55:10,367 --> 00:55:12,233 or authority, whoever needs 1087 00:55:12,233 --> 00:55:15,867 to put some skin in the game, so to speak 1088 00:55:16,133 --> 00:55:17,634 - Per Yes. 1089 00:55:18,133 --> 00:55:22,133 Okay. College is a yes. 1090 00:55:22,433 --> 00:55:27,133 I I would ask, couldn't we do inter fund from parks capital 1091 00:55:27,533 --> 00:55:29,467 to pools, capital to, yes. 1092 00:55:30,066 --> 00:55:32,667 - The formula is the same across the board for all of these. 1093 00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:34,700 So we could make a transfer. Okay, 1094 00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:38,867 - So, so I just, so I'm tra 1095 00:55:38,934 --> 00:55:40,567 so we had 200,000 unassigned. 1096 00:55:40,567 --> 00:55:43,333 We had, I'm seeing 89 5 1097 00:55:46,133 --> 00:55:48,033 committed the two parks, capital items. 1098 00:55:48,533 --> 00:55:50,100 Could you confirm the number 1099 00:55:51,033 --> 00:55:52,867 for the initial, for the software? 1100 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,300 Is it 15,000 or what is the, 1101 00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:01,133 - Or is 30 The software - Implementation total, 1102 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,667 - Total increase for this year would be $22,780. 1103 00:56:06,734 --> 00:56:11,266 - Is that operational or installation? 1104 00:56:12,133 --> 00:56:13,634 - That is a combination. 1105 00:56:14,266 --> 00:56:16,934 - I'm looking for the installation number. 1106 00:56:17,634 --> 00:56:22,000 That's what we should fund out of one time stuff 38, 180. 1107 00:56:22,667 --> 00:56:24,033 Is that the, the, that's 1108 00:56:24,033 --> 00:56:26,734 - The operational cost for implementation training 1109 00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:30,033 and that's before netting out the current software 1110 00:56:30,033 --> 00:56:31,033 - Expense. 1111 00:56:31,033 --> 00:56:33,066 Okay, very good. Thank you. So I'm just trying to keep, 1112 00:56:33,834 --> 00:56:37,333 so we, we've committed 90,000, 40,000 1113 00:56:38,066 --> 00:56:39,533 and now 55,000. 1114 00:56:39,634 --> 00:56:43,033 So that pots about it. Great. 1115 00:56:45,266 --> 00:56:48,834 If there's support, do you want municipal sheriffs to go up 1116 00:56:48,834 --> 00:56:52,867 or do we want to use the, the now unassigned a portion 1117 00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:54,867 of the now undersigned 200,000, 1118 00:56:55,033 --> 00:56:58,000 which would reflect an interfund transfer from 1119 00:56:58,634 --> 00:57:01,033 parks capital to pools capital 1120 00:57:01,667 --> 00:57:04,767 - Offer that - I, I think at the end of the day, 1121 00:57:06,367 --> 00:57:08,100 the municipal share increase is 1122 00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:10,233 what we're all gonna be sitting in front of our colleagues 1123 00:57:10,667 --> 00:57:12,834 and what's gonna pass or fail this budget. 1124 00:57:13,266 --> 00:57:16,133 So I, I would, I would defer that comment 1125 00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:18,100 or whether we do it from there 1126 00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:19,567 or there until we get to the end 1127 00:57:19,634 --> 00:57:22,934 and say that's that's the number we're gonna approve 1128 00:57:23,367 --> 00:57:25,533 and let Ben decide where he wants to move. 1129 00:57:26,867 --> 00:57:28,100 'cause if we move it this year, 1130 00:57:28,266 --> 00:57:29,767 next year there could be something else 1131 00:57:29,834 --> 00:57:32,333 and we're moving it again or, or we're replenishing it. 1132 00:57:32,634 --> 00:57:34,700 So I'd rather wait till the end to make those 1133 00:57:35,066 --> 00:57:36,066 - Decisions. 1134 00:57:36,066 --> 00:57:37,767 And you're gonna remember every step of the way. Sure. 1135 00:57:37,767 --> 00:57:39,233 We're gonna take over, but I don't 1136 00:57:39,233 --> 00:57:40,233 - Care about the - Step. 1137 00:57:40,467 --> 00:57:42,700 So going, going through 1138 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,734 the big thing, we're doing one time stuff 1139 00:57:46,734 --> 00:57:48,734 with one time stuff and, and everything. 1140 00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:52,000 And the other part, we, we had a conversation at one point 1141 00:57:52,667 --> 00:57:55,066 you start defer maintenance, you, 1142 00:57:55,166 --> 00:57:56,767 you actually increase your costs. 1143 00:57:56,834 --> 00:57:59,467 Yeah. So that, that's why that one 1144 00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:02,133 to college is very important that, you know, 1145 00:58:02,166 --> 00:58:03,700 it's only gonna cost more later. 1146 00:58:03,934 --> 00:58:06,700 So the ability to do it with already 1147 00:58:07,934 --> 00:58:11,033 invested funds from the municipalities to get that done 1148 00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:14,500 and to get it off of the repair maintenance side 1149 00:58:15,133 --> 00:58:16,066 is an important one for us. 1150 00:58:16,333 --> 00:58:19,367 So it sounded like we have a Yes for, 1151 00:58:19,667 --> 00:58:21,834 for the splash pad. 1152 00:58:21,834 --> 00:58:25,533 Thank you. Regional parks only one item. 1153 00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:29,000 I assume you're not pulling not that's a safety issue. 1154 00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:32,100 Yeah, I agree. Okay. 1155 00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:36,867 This is a $15,000 commitment again as the director 1156 00:58:37,033 --> 00:58:39,066 and the agency director shared this, 1157 00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:43,567 this is a safety concern Borough? 1158 00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:47,767 Yes. Harris? Yes. Patton. Yes. 1159 00:58:49,033 --> 00:58:52,033 - Yes. - Ferguson, yes. College is a yes as well. 1160 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,000 Do we have any, 1161 00:58:55,033 --> 00:58:56,667 - Do we still have money left in that I'm looking, 1162 00:58:57,533 --> 00:59:00,066 - I'm looking, - You use it so quickly. 1163 00:59:01,166 --> 00:59:03,100 - I'm looking - The, the, 1164 00:59:03,133 --> 00:59:07,000 the dirty net says if you put $15,000 into, 1165 00:59:11,066 --> 00:59:15,000 I'm sorry, into your 1166 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,900 normal or no, I'm sorry. 1167 00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:19,634 We need if, if we're not going to use 1168 00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:25,700 any of that money going into 1169 00:59:28,133 --> 00:59:30,533 the personnel component 1170 00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:35,066 for the potential of a janitor, but the janitor was a no. 1171 00:59:35,266 --> 00:59:38,767 Right. Currently then you are at, 1172 00:59:39,266 --> 00:59:43,767 - Yeah, so I have, I have 200,000 minus 1173 00:59:44,567 --> 00:59:48,033 89 5 minus 38 minus 55. 1174 00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:51,834 If my math is, if my calculator isn't failing, 1175 00:59:51,834 --> 00:59:53,233 that's 1 8, 2, 3, 1. 1176 00:59:53,567 --> 00:59:55,133 And we're asking 15 for this. 1177 00:59:55,433 --> 00:59:59,300 So should be and that one Okay. 2000. 1178 00:59:59,433 --> 01:00:00,734 So that would be, yeah so 1179 01:00:00,734 --> 01:00:04,700 that would be a inter fund transfer from Parks Capital 1180 01:00:05,667 --> 01:00:07,000 to regional parks. 1181 01:00:07,367 --> 01:00:12,000 Is that everybody comfortable with that? Yes. Okay. 1182 01:00:12,867 --> 01:00:13,867 That POT'S gone. 1183 01:00:15,634 --> 01:00:20,233 - I'm just gonna say this 500,000 pot for, 1184 01:00:20,433 --> 01:00:22,367 hes lives within Regional Parks Capital 1185 01:00:23,033 --> 01:00:24,100 - Right now anyway. 1186 01:00:24,233 --> 01:00:26,567 Oh, okay. So it's actually, okay. 1187 01:00:27,433 --> 01:00:31,233 So staff will inter fund transfer as needed to 1188 01:00:31,834 --> 01:00:33,000 support what we just said. 1189 01:00:33,333 --> 01:00:37,033 - Just a real quick history is there was two, 1190 01:00:40,867 --> 01:00:45,533 a big chunk of that 295,000 was transferred from Parks 1191 01:00:45,533 --> 01:00:48,533 Capital last year over regional parks grants 1192 01:00:49,667 --> 01:00:50,667 - To meet that. 1193 01:00:50,667 --> 01:00:53,066 So, okay, great, great. We 1194 01:00:53,066 --> 01:00:55,367 - Don't need to transfer the 15 is what I'm 1195 01:00:55,367 --> 01:00:56,367 - Hearing. 1196 01:00:56,367 --> 01:00:57,367 The 15 we don't, 1197 01:00:57,433 --> 01:00:59,133 but the other one now we actually have 1198 01:00:59,133 --> 01:01:02,066 to move some inter fund from regional parks back 1199 01:01:02,066 --> 01:01:06,000 to Parks Capital and also to Pools capital. 1200 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,000 Okay, great. Thank Carrie. Thank you. Okay. 1201 01:01:11,233 --> 01:01:13,834 Planning and MPO, anything to be scratched 1202 01:01:13,867 --> 01:01:15,000 before we start talking? 1203 01:01:17,066 --> 01:01:21,233 - I believe the MPO consultant is being taken off. 1204 01:01:23,133 --> 01:01:24,000 Gimme one second 1205 01:01:24,033 --> 01:01:28,700 to that section. 1206 01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:31,767 They, I believe did a review of the 1207 01:01:34,233 --> 01:01:36,000 requests that had been submitted 1208 01:01:36,266 --> 01:01:38,000 or since this request was submitted. 1209 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,367 Staff has determined that there are no shovel-ready projects 1210 01:01:40,834 --> 01:01:43,233 that meet current discretionary grant opportunities 1211 01:01:43,467 --> 01:01:46,133 and additional federal funding programs are not anticipated 1212 01:01:46,934 --> 01:01:50,533 until after federal transportation reauthorization. 1213 01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:52,834 'cause existing funds are sufficient 1214 01:01:53,166 --> 01:01:55,500 to support grant development activities through next year. 1215 01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:58,066 CRPA recommends withdrawing this request. 1216 01:01:59,066 --> 01:02:01,133 - Okay. - That's the NPO 1217 01:02:01,133 --> 01:02:03,567 - Consult PO consult. The 5,000, 1218 01:02:03,667 --> 01:02:05,033 - The third item, 33rd bullet item 1219 01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:07,500 - 5,000 53 5 60. 1220 01:02:07,567 --> 01:02:11,233 - Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Is 1221 01:02:11,233 --> 01:02:13,000 - That a postponement or just a poll? 1222 01:02:13,433 --> 01:02:14,433 Entirely. 1223 01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:16,100 - That's poll for this year. 1224 01:02:17,033 --> 01:02:21,266 They'll have to reexamine once they see what the feds do 1225 01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:22,767 with grant programs 1226 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,100 and what, if any shovel-ready projects get brought 1227 01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:27,767 to them in the county next year. Okay. 1228 01:02:28,266 --> 01:02:30,634 - Okay. So we're left with two items. 1229 01:02:31,033 --> 01:02:34,734 They are the planning consultant with a 27 1230 01:02:35,233 --> 01:02:39,033 net impact of 50,000 Ferguson. 1231 01:02:40,433 --> 01:02:44,033 - Yes. - Pat? Yes, Harris? Yes. 1232 01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:48,066 Yes, yes. 1233 01:02:50,166 --> 01:02:53,567 Next one is bike traffic counters with a net impact 1234 01:02:53,734 --> 01:02:58,667 of 29,008 15 Borough. 1235 01:02:59,367 --> 01:03:02,867 Yes. Harris? No. Patton. 1236 01:03:03,033 --> 01:03:04,900 Yes. Ferguson, 1237 01:03:05,734 --> 01:03:06,734 - We have a question. 1238 01:03:06,734 --> 01:03:08,667 Can they, how often would they be 1239 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,100 utilized or can they be rented? 1240 01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:12,533 Because I looked up some things I don't know anything about. 1241 01:03:13,667 --> 01:03:16,500 Is there, you know, are gonna sit in a closet somewhere 1242 01:03:16,533 --> 01:03:19,667 - Or - Is that a good, 1243 01:03:21,667 --> 01:03:24,734 - Jim, are you able to answer that question? 1244 01:03:29,033 --> 01:03:30,634 - I can take a shot at answering it. Yes. 1245 01:03:35,367 --> 01:03:39,533 So there is not a set schedule. It would be on demand. 1246 01:03:39,934 --> 01:03:42,634 There would be times when the counters are not used. 1247 01:03:43,367 --> 01:03:45,133 But what we are trying to do with this 1248 01:03:46,533 --> 01:03:48,100 is meet several needs. 1249 01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:53,567 One is to establish some sort of annual counting program 1250 01:03:54,533 --> 01:03:58,533 for some of the existing trails 1251 01:03:58,533 --> 01:04:01,066 and other bike facilities. 1252 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,734 We also realize that some of our partners, 1253 01:04:04,734 --> 01:04:07,834 like the Borough would like to start doing seasonal accounts 1254 01:04:08,367 --> 01:04:10,900 so that they can assess how much the traffic 1255 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,333 and the usage varies over different 1256 01:04:14,333 --> 01:04:15,533 time periods of the year. 1257 01:04:16,133 --> 01:04:18,000 If you know, 1258 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,133 if you're seeing more traffic when the students are here, 1259 01:04:20,767 --> 01:04:23,033 or more traffic over the summer when people 1260 01:04:24,133 --> 01:04:25,667 find the weather more agreeable to it. 1261 01:04:26,266 --> 01:04:30,133 So while there's not a set schedule, the idea is 1262 01:04:30,133 --> 01:04:33,834 that we would want to have access to this over the, 1263 01:04:34,433 --> 01:04:36,000 the full year's time period. 1264 01:04:36,634 --> 01:04:40,900 And when we looked at comparing this to a contract 1265 01:04:42,133 --> 01:04:46,100 to, to procure these services from a vendor, 1266 01:04:47,066 --> 01:04:51,266 we found that the, for the cost that we're asking 1267 01:04:52,133 --> 01:04:54,734 that would get us through maybe one, one 1268 01:04:54,734 --> 01:04:58,533 and a half single instances of counts, you know, 1269 01:04:58,634 --> 01:05:00,066 one year's worth of data. 1270 01:05:00,667 --> 01:05:03,667 And what we're looking at here is being able to go out 1271 01:05:03,867 --> 01:05:06,567 and do several locations on an annual basis 1272 01:05:07,166 --> 01:05:11,066 and some locations several times a year. 1273 01:05:11,734 --> 01:05:14,033 And then in addition on an as needed basis, 1274 01:05:14,033 --> 01:05:18,100 especially in the outlying area, do some one-off counts 1275 01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,834 to try and establish existing use patterns 1276 01:05:21,367 --> 01:05:23,500 where they feel they need a facility 1277 01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:26,634 and they're trying to put together a proposal for a trail so 1278 01:05:26,634 --> 01:05:29,000 that they've got that data to support applications. 1279 01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:33,333 So there would be times when the, the counters are unused, 1280 01:05:34,066 --> 01:05:37,767 but we anticipate a pretty robust use usage program 1281 01:05:38,834 --> 01:05:41,934 and we've also determined that, that this approach 1282 01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:45,834 gives us much more capacity than working 1283 01:05:45,834 --> 01:05:49,333 with a sub consultant for the same amount of funding. 1284 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,133 - Okay. Ferguson, does that help 1285 01:05:54,934 --> 01:05:56,066 - Me - Or no, but 1286 01:05:56,233 --> 01:05:57,233 - You're, no. 1287 01:05:57,233 --> 01:06:01,567 Okay. My apologies to Tammy for that on the last one. 1288 01:06:01,734 --> 01:06:03,266 I don't think I we're, we're good? 1289 01:06:03,266 --> 01:06:04,433 Yeah, we're good on the first one. Yep. 1290 01:06:04,667 --> 01:06:06,634 So now the second one. We're good. You're good on that. 1291 01:06:07,233 --> 01:06:09,634 Okay. College is actually a no. 1292 01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:13,100 So that one's a three. Three. 1293 01:06:14,033 --> 01:06:18,033 So that fails. So 1294 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,667 - Does that mean we revisit it or something? 1295 01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:25,867 - It's a, unless one of the three no votes is gonna change. 1296 01:06:26,867 --> 01:06:28,500 - My other question is, shouldn't the, 1297 01:06:28,634 --> 01:06:31,667 if the Borough wants the information, shouldn't they rent it 1298 01:06:31,667 --> 01:06:32,567 or acquire the 1299 01:06:33,066 --> 01:06:37,567 liking? I'm 1300 01:06:37,567 --> 01:06:38,567 - Not sure. 1301 01:06:38,567 --> 01:06:41,834 I'm only gonna offer, I understand that it's a tool, 1302 01:06:41,934 --> 01:06:44,133 it's act, it's a tool similar to the planning consultant. 1303 01:06:44,533 --> 01:06:48,066 You know, we've had good success in return on investment 1304 01:06:48,233 --> 01:06:52,567 when we've been able to aggressively go after this stuff. 1305 01:06:53,233 --> 01:06:57,500 But I, my counsel voted no. So 1306 01:06:57,700 --> 01:07:01,767 - Yeah, - So at 1307 01:07:01,767 --> 01:07:03,767 that point a three three it would fail. 1308 01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:10,700 - It just gotten a little windfall, changed their mind. 1309 01:07:12,066 --> 01:07:17,033 - Alright. Administration COG building if I, 1310 01:07:17,767 --> 01:07:20,166 the, what is being pulled? 1311 01:07:20,233 --> 01:07:23,133 The HVAC sea replacement or is everything going forward? 1312 01:07:23,133 --> 01:07:26,133 Everything moving forward with that. 1313 01:07:26,533 --> 01:07:31,100 With the unsign of over 40. A little over 47,000 bucks. Yes. 1314 01:07:31,133 --> 01:07:33,233 Okay. So we're just start at the top 1315 01:07:33,567 --> 01:07:34,834 and come down through, 1316 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,634 we have a fire sprinklers of $18,000. 1317 01:07:43,033 --> 01:07:44,033 Half moon 1318 01:07:45,634 --> 01:07:46,834 - Sprinklers. Yes. Okay. 1319 01:07:47,266 --> 01:07:48,266 - Ferguson? - Yes. 1320 01:07:49,166 --> 01:07:51,834 - Yes. - Harris, I'm sorry. 1321 01:07:52,367 --> 01:07:53,233 - No, you're good though. 1322 01:07:57,166 --> 01:07:59,533 That was a yes. Yes. Oh, I apologize. Alright. 1323 01:07:59,734 --> 01:08:02,133 - Yes, - College is a yes as well. 1324 01:08:03,567 --> 01:08:05,867 Next item is a firewall, 1325 01:08:07,533 --> 01:08:11,900 30,477 net impact Borough. 1326 01:08:13,066 --> 01:08:14,767 - Yes. And I think there's an 1327 01:08:14,767 --> 01:08:17,033 - Ongoing of 8,000, correct? 1328 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,000 Yes, 1329 01:08:19,333 --> 01:08:20,333 - Yes. 1330 01:08:20,333 --> 01:08:20,734 Harris 1331 01:08:21,834 --> 01:08:22,367 - Strong? Yes. 1332 01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:24,767 - Strong? Yes. Okay. Ferguson? - Yes. 1333 01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:27,934 - Halfman? Yes. College is yes as well. 1334 01:08:30,734 --> 01:08:31,900 HVAC replacement. 1335 01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:36,700 87,000 Half Moon. Yes. 1336 01:08:37,867 --> 01:08:38,867 Ferguson 1337 01:08:40,166 --> 01:08:41,166 - We're a no. 1338 01:08:41,166 --> 01:08:43,467 We don't know if it can be re repaired when it breaks 1339 01:08:43,734 --> 01:08:46,667 or I can't remember what 1340 01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:48,166 - The, okay. Patent. 1341 01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:50,000 - Yes. Harris, 1342 01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:52,166 - Yes or yes. 1343 01:08:52,867 --> 01:08:57,033 And college is a yes as well. Next is a fire alarm panel. 1344 01:08:58,734 --> 01:09:02,900 13,500 net Impact Borough. 1345 01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:05,033 - Yes. - Harris? 1346 01:09:05,767 --> 01:09:10,567 - Yes. - Patton. Yes. Ferguson. Yes. Kaman? Yes. 1347 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,166 And college is also a Yes. Okay. 1348 01:09:16,133 --> 01:09:17,900 Off page one folks. Good job. 1349 01:09:22,567 --> 01:09:26,066 We're going to fire operating and capital. 1350 01:09:27,066 --> 01:09:31,033 Any, what's being pulled by staff before we start talking? 1351 01:09:32,900 --> 01:09:35,834 - Special - Ops trailer is being pulled 1352 01:09:35,934 --> 01:09:37,033 in the truck upgrade. 1353 01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:40,900 So the two remaining are captain of training 1354 01:09:41,233 --> 01:09:43,100 and past Township work. 1355 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,100 Okay. Excellent. Alright. 1356 01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:52,133 So afternoon's not in this, Harris is not in this. 1357 01:09:53,667 --> 01:09:57,300 So our first item is captain, a training captain. 1358 01:09:58,266 --> 01:10:02,500 The net 27 net impact is set 61,430. 1359 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,166 The ongoing is a little over 124,000. 1360 01:10:09,033 --> 01:10:10,333 We start with Ferguson. 1361 01:10:13,066 --> 01:10:15,567 - We're a yes. But the question is, 1362 01:10:17,834 --> 01:10:20,100 if they're starting in the middle of year with a, 1363 01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:22,133 could we potentially have a different fire director? 1364 01:10:22,133 --> 01:10:25,100 Is it, if they're not hired, can it be, 1365 01:10:26,233 --> 01:10:27,367 do we have to pay for it? 1366 01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:29,567 We could put it at our budget, but do we have to pay 1367 01:10:29,567 --> 01:10:30,634 for it until what? 1368 01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:33,934 Or can we wait until it happens? 'cause 1369 01:10:35,533 --> 01:10:37,266 - Can your shares be delayed 1370 01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:38,834 until the second half of the year 1371 01:10:39,567 --> 01:10:40,700 - For that additional amount? 1372 01:10:41,934 --> 01:10:45,834 - Just a question. - I assume we could probably do that. 1373 01:10:46,033 --> 01:10:47,433 It's a little more work on finance, 1374 01:10:47,767 --> 01:10:51,634 but it would just be, you would see the total 1375 01:10:52,033 --> 01:10:53,934 increase in the second half of the year, 1376 01:10:55,033 --> 01:10:57,233 which would give you a break early in the year 1377 01:10:59,667 --> 01:11:02,834 instead of paying for it in four installments. 1378 01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:04,900 Whatever you paid for the total of two, 1379 01:11:06,467 --> 01:11:08,100 - Six instead of 12 - Six, 1380 01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:09,667 - It would all be six. 1381 01:11:11,166 --> 01:11:13,867 Just a question. The case it doesn't happen is 1382 01:11:13,867 --> 01:11:15,467 what I, you know, 1383 01:11:17,634 --> 01:11:20,333 - The opposite being, if we funded it for the two 1384 01:11:20,367 --> 01:11:22,133 and it's not gonna happen, they, we stop. 1385 01:11:22,767 --> 01:11:24,367 Okay. Could be another way of approaching. 1386 01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:29,700 Yes, we could do that. The, and and you're a great example. 1387 01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:33,133 You know, when you came on board you had different thinking 1388 01:11:34,166 --> 01:11:35,700 and now you're gonna be here, 1389 01:11:35,700 --> 01:11:39,500 but the fire director may have different thinking in there. 1390 01:11:39,634 --> 01:11:42,000 So that does afford the space to, it's 1391 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,567 - Not a deal breaker, it's a question. 1392 01:11:43,734 --> 01:11:46,934 Yep. That we've done other things where we gave money 1393 01:11:46,934 --> 01:11:48,533 for this project that it didn't happen. 1394 01:11:49,066 --> 01:11:52,367 - Yeah. Might be in there waiting the next year 1395 01:11:52,367 --> 01:11:54,000 to get credited back for it, right? 1396 01:11:54,033 --> 01:11:55,467 Yes, absolutely. 1397 01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:59,500 No, but I think, I don't know. Okay. 1398 01:12:00,467 --> 01:12:02,300 - Nobody else is concerned. Patent 1399 01:12:02,333 --> 01:12:04,867 - Patent, yes. Borough. 1400 01:12:05,367 --> 01:12:08,000 - So the Borough was a yes on this, 1401 01:12:09,033 --> 01:12:10,767 but I just wanted to check. 1402 01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:13,533 There was this discussion when we had the budget 1403 01:12:13,634 --> 01:12:16,166 that we are having a new fire director coming up 1404 01:12:16,467 --> 01:12:20,667 and whether this is a position we can defer to 2020, just 1405 01:12:20,667 --> 01:12:23,667 to let that person weigh in on the strategy. 1406 01:12:24,166 --> 01:12:26,266 And so I'd just like some feedback on that. 1407 01:12:26,867 --> 01:12:29,367 We are anyway hiring this person middle of the year. 1408 01:12:29,667 --> 01:12:31,100 And you know, what, what do, 1409 01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:32,266 what do, what do you think, Sean? 1410 01:12:33,834 --> 01:12:35,333 Just get a sense of that idea. 1411 01:12:36,033 --> 01:12:38,367 - So I just in terms of running, you know, 1412 01:12:38,467 --> 01:12:41,033 why this position's there, why it's important, the, 1413 01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:43,667 the five year plan was developed in order to create the, 1414 01:12:43,767 --> 01:12:46,266 the foundation to support volunteers. 1415 01:12:47,233 --> 01:12:48,500 I'll just give you a rundown. 1416 01:12:48,667 --> 01:12:51,767 So the, the volunteers right now in terms of their 1417 01:12:52,567 --> 01:12:56,333 captain's positions, there are five two are vacant 1418 01:12:57,033 --> 01:13:00,333 because we do not have staff certified 1419 01:13:00,634 --> 01:13:04,100 or that have want the, want the responsibility 1420 01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:05,233 of taking those positions. 1421 01:13:05,767 --> 01:13:09,000 So that puts that burden onto staff to do the training 1422 01:13:09,133 --> 01:13:11,467 and other things that are required of those positions. 1423 01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:13,433 Right now, the training cap 1424 01:13:13,467 --> 01:13:14,834 or the special ops captain 1425 01:13:14,834 --> 01:13:17,934 that was hired last year is running the full engine academy 1426 01:13:18,367 --> 01:13:20,000 so that, that takes them 1427 01:13:20,700 --> 01:13:23,834 away from their other duties in order to run those programs. 1428 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,934 And the one vacancy is in our health and safety program. 1429 01:13:28,033 --> 01:13:31,700 And, and so I have a $96,000 grant 1430 01:13:31,734 --> 01:13:33,133 that's not getting administered 1431 01:13:33,133 --> 01:13:36,133 because the fact is I don't have enough time 1432 01:13:36,033 --> 01:13:38,066 or staff to put into 1433 01:13:39,734 --> 01:13:42,000 securing the appropriate information 1434 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,333 to get that grant going. 1435 01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:45,667 Now I have one more year to do that, so I hope to have 1436 01:13:45,667 --> 01:13:47,500 that launched before I leave in December. 1437 01:13:48,533 --> 01:13:52,934 But that being said, we have vacancies, 1438 01:13:53,767 --> 01:13:56,433 we have, you know, senior members of our, 1439 01:13:56,634 --> 01:13:57,934 of our captain's core. 1440 01:13:58,066 --> 01:14:00,867 And when I say seniors, they've been around a long time. 1441 01:14:01,133 --> 01:14:03,100 Individuals who are 60 plus years old. 1442 01:14:03,867 --> 01:14:06,667 This is not a old man's game. Uhuh. 1443 01:14:06,834 --> 01:14:09,133 And I'm not trying to point out that anybody's not capable, 1444 01:14:10,066 --> 01:14:13,533 but as we age out, we're not able to do some of the things. 1445 01:14:13,834 --> 01:14:18,567 So out of the five captain's positions, 1446 01:14:18,567 --> 01:14:20,934 there's only one person who's a young person 1447 01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:22,100 in that, in that group. 1448 01:14:23,033 --> 01:14:27,567 And I'm just forecasting that we need that position in order 1449 01:14:27,567 --> 01:14:30,634 to make sure that we're able to keep the volunteer staff. 1450 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,734 If you don't keep the volunteer staff 1451 01:14:32,867 --> 01:14:35,634 and keep them properly trained, you're gonna end up 1452 01:14:35,634 --> 01:14:39,100 with a lot, a lot more career staff supplementing the, 1453 01:14:39,133 --> 01:14:40,634 the volunteers on the fire trucks. 1454 01:14:40,734 --> 01:14:42,266 - Yeah. So I think that helped me. 1455 01:14:42,367 --> 01:14:44,500 You know, I just wanted to hear that sense of 1456 01:14:44,567 --> 01:14:46,367 what are fire departments about? 1457 01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:48,367 I think this is a core function. Yeah. 1458 01:14:48,867 --> 01:14:50,734 So it's a Yes. We don't, yeah, 1459 01:14:50,734 --> 01:14:52,767 - I'm, and just to go back to, you know, 1460 01:14:52,767 --> 01:14:54,266 when the new fire director takes over, 1461 01:14:54,266 --> 01:14:56,333 they may have a different set of opinions 1462 01:14:56,333 --> 01:14:58,100 and that's gonna be obviously something 1463 01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:59,500 that's gonna have to be tackled. 1464 01:15:00,100 --> 01:15:02,500 When I came on board, there was a deputy director's position 1465 01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:04,567 and I felt that these other positions were more important 1466 01:15:04,567 --> 01:15:06,066 and I pulled that, if you recall, 1467 01:15:06,133 --> 01:15:07,133 those that have been around. 1468 01:15:07,433 --> 01:15:10,000 So that's something you have to address 1469 01:15:10,066 --> 01:15:11,300 and I, I agree with Ferguson 1470 01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:14,033 and the fact that, you know, this may be a, 1471 01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:15,834 a budget amendment or something in the future 1472 01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:17,100 that needs to be addressed 1473 01:15:18,834 --> 01:15:20,467 - So that we, we can address. Okay. 1474 01:15:20,533 --> 01:15:21,834 - Yeah. You can address that as you want. 1475 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,934 You know, if you wanted to be creative on the front end 1476 01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:27,300 or do something later on, if you take it out, 1477 01:15:27,467 --> 01:15:29,000 you could do a budget amendment halfway 1478 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,000 through the year and add it in. 1479 01:15:31,433 --> 01:15:35,066 That's a little bit harder, you know, that's a bad Right. 1480 01:15:35,133 --> 01:15:36,300 That's a bad thing to do. 1481 01:15:36,567 --> 01:15:38,867 - So, okay, so Borough is a yes 1482 01:15:40,567 --> 01:15:41,567 - That goes into that. 1483 01:15:41,567 --> 01:15:42,734 That's an option. Yeah. 1484 01:15:42,867 --> 01:15:45,000 Not a good option, but it's an option. 1485 01:15:45,867 --> 01:15:49,367 College supported that we would appreciate if, 1486 01:15:49,667 --> 01:15:51,100 if we get in the middle of the year 1487 01:15:51,233 --> 01:15:54,133 and there's a change of thinking that, that that funding 1488 01:15:54,567 --> 01:15:57,000 that we not contribute towards that. Yeah. 1489 01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,934 - It could be reduced or 1490 01:16:01,567 --> 01:16:02,834 - Yeah, we could do it that way 1491 01:16:04,166 --> 01:16:07,867 is just a reduction rather than if we decide not to do it. 1492 01:16:11,133 --> 01:16:13,033 - Okay. Does does 1493 01:16:13,033 --> 01:16:14,266 that one approve? Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead. 1494 01:16:14,333 --> 01:16:16,367 - The other ones that are pulled off, does that do anything 1495 01:16:16,367 --> 01:16:20,100 with our capital contributions or they just deferred to 1496 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,533 - Capital contributions for fire are always 1497 01:16:24,567 --> 01:16:26,700 the same amount plus 8%. 1498 01:16:27,266 --> 01:16:30,066 So it is a growing fund to take care of things. 1499 01:16:30,166 --> 01:16:33,266 We are pre-funding all of the large purposes that come. 1500 01:16:33,934 --> 01:16:35,934 So that doesn't affect, it's just a matter of, 1501 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,000 - Oh, work inside that this year parameter 1502 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,100 to see what you can purchase. 1503 01:16:41,367 --> 01:16:43,767 Okay. But it's not build on what you're buying. Got it. 1504 01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:45,467 - Right. Just - I didn't know that. 1505 01:16:46,734 --> 01:16:51,033 - Right. Just as, just for information, the municipal share 1506 01:16:52,033 --> 01:16:54,100 budgeted for 2027 1507 01:16:54,834 --> 01:16:58,033 is $754,000. 1508 01:16:59,133 --> 01:17:00,533 So we, we are contributing 1509 01:17:00,533 --> 01:17:05,033 to this would be potentially additional and everything. 1510 01:17:06,567 --> 01:17:10,000 Okay. The next one is the patent roof 1511 01:17:11,467 --> 01:17:15,100 27 net impact of $125,000. 1512 01:17:17,867 --> 01:17:20,166 I don't, I think burrow's up first. 1513 01:17:20,834 --> 01:17:25,634 - Yes, - Harris. Oh, I'm sorry you're out patent. 1514 01:17:26,233 --> 01:17:30,834 - Yes. - Ferguson. Yes. College is actually a no. 1515 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,867 And I would offer, 1516 01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:39,533 that's a facilities decision we put forward 1517 01:17:39,634 --> 01:17:41,066 that we have different standards 1518 01:17:41,133 --> 01:17:43,266 for the different facilities and, and everything 1519 01:17:43,266 --> 01:17:45,834 and we feel that needs to get figured out 1520 01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:49,367 before we go bring more money 1521 01:17:50,433 --> 01:17:51,767 to somebody else's property. 1522 01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:56,033 But that pa what I heard is that passed 1523 01:17:56,567 --> 01:17:58,767 with college being the, the sold? 1524 01:17:58,934 --> 01:18:01,100 No. Okay. 1525 01:18:02,333 --> 01:18:05,066 Library capital, we have two items, any 1526 01:18:05,066 --> 01:18:06,266 of those to be pulled. 1527 01:18:06,700 --> 01:18:10,033 - So these are essentially being 1528 01:18:10,133 --> 01:18:12,433 pulled through. 1529 01:18:13,133 --> 01:18:14,500 Lisa and her team's work 1530 01:18:14,500 --> 01:18:17,100 with corporate sponsorship hopefully 1531 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,133 for the outreach vehicle. 1532 01:18:19,133 --> 01:18:22,667 And when it comes to the exhaust pit, we would simply ask 1533 01:18:22,734 --> 01:18:26,100 that the $25,000 contribution 1534 01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:29,333 that was made in 26 for the roof project, 1535 01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:31,133 which the foundation 1536 01:18:31,433 --> 01:18:35,900 and the grant fully covered, that $25,000 gets moved over 1537 01:18:35,934 --> 01:18:37,834 to help offset costs for the pip, 1538 01:18:37,834 --> 01:18:40,433 which the foundation will then cover the rest of. 1539 01:18:41,133 --> 01:18:44,000 - That's great. So for our action, we need 1540 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,166 to unsign some money and then reassign it to this. 1541 01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:50,066 Yes. Is everybody clear on what we're doing there? 1542 01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:53,066 And then the foundation is picking up the 1543 01:18:53,066 --> 01:18:54,867 dates, is that correct? That's 1544 01:18:54,867 --> 01:18:55,867 - Correct. 1545 01:18:55,867 --> 01:18:57,667 - Excellent. So no, no new shares, 1546 01:18:57,767 --> 01:18:59,266 no new municipal shares out of that. 1547 01:18:59,700 --> 01:19:02,634 But both items are gonna happen. 1548 01:19:02,900 --> 01:19:04,734 - Both items will still happen. Okay. 1549 01:19:07,066 --> 01:19:09,634 I'm sure they would appreciate it if everybody remembers 1550 01:19:09,634 --> 01:19:11,734 that they pulled these things in the future 1551 01:19:12,367 --> 01:19:13,867 when their, when their need comes 1552 01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:14,900 - Up. 1553 01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:19,033 Nah. Excellent. 1554 01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:23,100 Good work. Nice job Foundation and library staff. 1555 01:19:24,033 --> 01:19:26,300 Code Administration. We have two items, either 1556 01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:27,700 of those being pulled. 1557 01:19:28,233 --> 01:19:29,767 - Neither is being - Pulled. Okay. 1558 01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:34,367 The first one is a fire life and safety inspector. 1559 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,934 A hundred A 27 impact 1560 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,000 of 1 47 94. 1561 01:19:40,934 --> 01:19:42,166 Ongoing of almost 1562 01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:47,266 161,000 Half Moon. 1563 01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:51,233 - Yes. - Okay. Per Yes. 1564 01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:54,300 - Yes. - Eric? Yes. Bur 1565 01:19:55,066 --> 01:19:56,066 - Yes. 1566 01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:59,066 One request that we had was that, 1567 01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:02,367 and this is from the point of view of, you know, 1568 01:20:02,367 --> 01:20:05,634 affordable housing and all of that with code just to begin 1569 01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:10,100 to understand the, the, the, the permit structure, 1570 01:20:10,100 --> 01:20:12,634 the fee structure, like how do these operating costs 1571 01:20:12,867 --> 01:20:13,867 impact all of that. 1572 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,100 So that's for the future, but we are a yes for the position. 1573 01:20:16,433 --> 01:20:20,066 - Okay. I think the co director got into that a little bit 1574 01:20:20,033 --> 01:20:21,266 where I got, it's gonna be, 1575 01:20:21,266 --> 01:20:25,266 there was some savings in one place plus new revenue from 1576 01:20:25,266 --> 01:20:27,033 all the bed or Yeah. 1577 01:20:27,033 --> 01:20:29,100 Stuff coming online. So it'll 1578 01:20:29,533 --> 01:20:33,867 - Anticipate probably housing 1579 01:20:34,367 --> 01:20:36,867 fee adjustment, but that's normal for us. 1580 01:20:36,934 --> 01:20:37,934 For cost of living. 1581 01:20:40,333 --> 01:20:43,233 - You estimate how much that would be for 1582 01:20:43,233 --> 01:20:44,233 - The year. 1583 01:20:44,233 --> 01:20:45,767 That estimate right now is gonna be $3 1584 01:20:46,367 --> 01:20:48,133 for a rental housing permit fee. 1585 01:20:48,133 --> 01:20:51,266 So it would go from 52 to 55 1586 01:20:51,834 --> 01:20:55,433 for the Centre Region Code administration's share each 1587 01:20:55,433 --> 01:20:57,767 municipalities does a tack on, on top of that. 1588 01:20:58,166 --> 01:21:00,533 And so their tack ons vary. Okay. 1589 01:21:00,900 --> 01:21:02,066 - Thank you. Okay. 1590 01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:09,033 - I will offer college's was a no, 1591 01:21:09,433 --> 01:21:13,467 but personally I under I understand that. 1592 01:21:14,634 --> 01:21:16,266 I'm happy to see that that's moving forward. 1593 01:21:17,467 --> 01:21:21,367 Next one is an inspection crawler of $6,000 earned. 1594 01:21:22,066 --> 01:21:23,333 Yes. Eric? No. 1595 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,567 - Yes. - Burton 1596 01:21:26,333 --> 01:21:27,333 - Yes. 1597 01:21:27,467 --> 01:21:28,467 - A - Yes. 1598 01:21:29,934 --> 01:21:32,000 - And that was also a college. 1599 01:21:32,066 --> 01:21:35,033 No, but again, I understand that. 1600 01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:39,734 So that's a, that's a good note there. Okay. 1601 01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:44,634 Refuse that stays, 1602 01:21:44,667 --> 01:21:46,867 that item moves forward, continues to move forward, 1603 01:21:47,033 --> 01:21:48,033 - That one moves forward 1604 01:21:48,367 --> 01:21:51,567 and that comes from their existing fund balance. 1605 01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:55,634 - Still a decision point 1606 01:22:00,367 --> 01:22:01,100 half a moon, 1607 01:22:03,367 --> 01:22:04,367 - Sorry, which one are we on? 1608 01:22:04,367 --> 01:22:05,266 Refuse 1609 01:22:07,533 --> 01:22:11,066 - You waste drop off - Food waste drop off. 1610 01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:14,033 14,000 net impact 18,000 ongoing. 1611 01:22:15,133 --> 01:22:17,834 - Let look. That, let me look. Take a look here. Okay, sure. 1612 01:22:17,867 --> 01:22:19,767 Sorry. You can move on. I'll, 1613 01:22:19,767 --> 01:22:20,767 - I'll come back. 1614 01:22:20,767 --> 01:22:24,000 Okay. Ferguson? Yes. Patton. Yes. Harris. Yes. 1615 01:22:24,467 --> 01:22:26,567 Bur yes. Colleges 1616 01:22:30,033 --> 01:22:31,033 - I'll say yes. 1617 01:22:31,033 --> 01:22:32,300 - Okay, it's done. Yeah, 1618 01:22:32,533 --> 01:22:33,533 - It's done. 1619 01:22:33,533 --> 01:22:34,300 We're moving forward. Didn't matter. 1620 01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:36,100 We're moving forward. It didn't matter. 1621 01:22:36,634 --> 01:22:38,734 - Okay. Any others? 1622 01:22:41,433 --> 01:22:44,066 Nice job. Nice job. 10 o'clock. 1623 01:22:44,166 --> 01:22:48,700 Would you bet that, okay, 1624 01:22:49,567 --> 01:22:52,333 so do we have something that 1625 01:22:53,634 --> 01:22:55,700 shows the impact of those? 1626 01:22:56,333 --> 01:22:58,834 Do we have anything live to show the impact 1627 01:22:58,834 --> 01:23:00,066 of the yeses and nos? 1628 01:23:00,233 --> 01:23:03,500 - No, we don't have a mechanism to do that, 1629 01:23:03,634 --> 01:23:04,700 but it's on my list. 1630 01:23:05,033 --> 01:23:08,867 Okay. To do that so that next year we have something similar 1631 01:23:09,066 --> 01:23:13,066 to the menu where we can add it to a bottom line, 1632 01:23:13,567 --> 01:23:15,100 but we don't have that in this meeting. 1633 01:23:15,533 --> 01:23:19,767 - Okay. - Just everybody understands clear up. 1634 01:23:19,767 --> 01:23:23,467 The one component that we have not fully integrated yet, 1635 01:23:24,033 --> 01:23:26,266 actually probably too composed, we haven't fully integrated, 1636 01:23:26,266 --> 01:23:27,834 but there is a capital module. 1637 01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:33,133 We just need to kind of adjust their capital module 1638 01:23:33,333 --> 01:23:36,000 for the kind of on off switch like they have in the 1639 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:40,133 personnel side that will allow decisions to flow up through 1640 01:23:40,266 --> 01:23:43,567 so that we can get a cast look at these studies. 1641 01:23:44,133 --> 01:23:48,100 - Alright, well then I am going just for the 1642 01:23:48,233 --> 01:23:49,233 - Mr. 1643 01:23:49,233 --> 01:23:51,867 Chair. Yes. Or Ben and Kimberly. 1644 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,066 Are we going to have table B 1645 01:23:58,734 --> 01:24:01,266 under this new clear go. 1646 01:24:01,634 --> 01:24:04,333 Are are you planning on not doing that? 1647 01:24:05,567 --> 01:24:06,934 Do you know what I'm talking about? 1648 01:24:07,467 --> 01:24:11,500 The table that shows everybody's municipal shares Yeah. 1649 01:24:12,066 --> 01:24:13,500 - Compares it to previous year. 1650 01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:15,467 - It compares the last year and 1651 01:24:17,533 --> 01:24:20,166 - Yes, we do be able to do it - Offline. 1652 01:24:20,834 --> 01:24:24,367 Be able to, right. I realize it won't be 1653 01:24:24,734 --> 01:24:26,500 in, in clear Go. 1654 01:24:26,533 --> 01:24:27,900 But are you planning It'll 1655 01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:30,000 - Show up in the budget book it, but we, 1656 01:24:30,033 --> 01:24:32,634 but we have to go back, do it in Excel first 1657 01:24:33,133 --> 01:24:37,734 and then drop the spreadsheet into the narrative box 1658 01:24:38,333 --> 01:24:40,900 in clear Go. Okay. It's, 1659 01:24:41,166 --> 01:24:45,767 - It is a very, yes, a very good toll for the five driver. 1660 01:24:45,867 --> 01:24:46,934 Yes it is. 1661 01:24:48,867 --> 01:24:51,533 - These are important, like that important 1662 01:24:53,266 --> 01:24:55,634 but clear Go is great, 1663 01:24:55,667 --> 01:24:58,700 but there are plenty of things that we have to drop in. 1664 01:24:59,166 --> 01:25:01,867 - I I understand there's a lot of changes being made. 1665 01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:05,066 I was just, you know, if you weren't gonna do it, 1666 01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:08,767 I was gonna do one on my own is what I was going to say. 1667 01:25:10,033 --> 01:25:12,033 But there's no sense me doing it on my own. 1668 01:25:12,667 --> 01:25:14,100 If you're doing it for everybody, 1669 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,233 they don't have to do it now. 1670 01:25:15,266 --> 01:25:20,133 You can do it. Yeah, you can do it. Just charge him a fee. 1671 01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:22,000 Yeah, yeah. Well that's right. 1672 01:25:22,066 --> 01:25:24,133 I'll, I'll send you a monthly invoice. 1673 01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:28,367 - Well - I know the guy that created that spreadsheet 1674 01:25:28,367 --> 01:25:31,467 and so he used it this morning to come to the discussions 1675 01:25:31,834 --> 01:25:33,033 that we just had. 1676 01:25:33,033 --> 01:25:35,734 So I, I concur that it 1677 01:25:35,734 --> 01:25:36,634 - Has value. I figured. 1678 01:25:37,467 --> 01:25:39,867 - Yeah. So I'm gonna walk down through 1679 01:25:40,033 --> 01:25:42,934 and make sure that we 1680 01:25:43,066 --> 01:25:46,867 and staff have everything as intended. 1681 01:25:47,634 --> 01:25:51,233 So starting up in parks, operating in capital, 1682 01:25:52,166 --> 01:25:54,734 the park specialist position was a No, 1683 01:25:55,767 --> 01:25:58,033 the recreation software was a Yes. 1684 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,700 With the, the implementation side of that coming out 1685 01:26:01,700 --> 01:26:05,467 of formally assigned fund balance, 1686 01:26:06,734 --> 01:26:09,367 the portable lift was a yes. 1687 01:26:09,867 --> 01:26:13,367 Again, coming out of formally assigned 1688 01:26:14,066 --> 01:26:17,266 the Silverado Crew cab was a yes coming out 1689 01:26:17,266 --> 01:26:21,066 of formally assigned under pool's capital. 1690 01:26:21,467 --> 01:26:23,467 The splash pad was a yes. 1691 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,000 Again coming out of formally assigned fund balance. 1692 01:26:29,133 --> 01:26:34,066 The regional parks has soft belt netting was a yes coming 1693 01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:38,500 out of formally assigned the planning. 1694 01:26:39,033 --> 01:26:44,000 And MPO the planning consultant was a 1695 01:26:44,133 --> 01:26:48,634 Yes, the bike traffic counters was a no. 1696 01:26:49,767 --> 01:26:54,500 And the MPO consultant was pulled by staff moving 1697 01:26:54,533 --> 01:26:58,133 to the administration COG building All 1698 01:26:59,734 --> 01:27:01,166 four items were Yes. 1699 01:27:03,667 --> 01:27:06,133 With being offset by 1700 01:27:07,033 --> 01:27:11,700 just over 47,000 formally assigned fund balance 1701 01:27:14,867 --> 01:27:17,066 under fire operating and capital. 1702 01:27:18,133 --> 01:27:23,066 The captain training was a yes with a caveat that 1703 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,100 of potential adjustment based on the new fire director. 1704 01:27:28,166 --> 01:27:32,100 The truck upgrade was pulled, the patent roof 1705 01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:34,066 was a yes. 1706 01:27:36,133 --> 01:27:38,300 And the special ops trailer was pulled 1707 01:27:40,367 --> 01:27:41,734 under Library Capital. 1708 01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:43,767 Both items move forward. 1709 01:27:43,767 --> 01:27:48,000 However, no municipal impact thanks 1710 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,433 to our friends in the foundation 1711 01:27:50,033 --> 01:27:53,934 and previous savings of projects Code Administration. 1712 01:27:56,033 --> 01:27:57,900 Both items were Yes. 1713 01:28:00,333 --> 01:28:04,667 And refuse the food waste drop off was a yes. 1714 01:28:05,700 --> 01:28:08,500 Does that reflect the committee's understanding 1715 01:28:08,634 --> 01:28:09,700 of what we just did? 1716 01:28:10,567 --> 01:28:14,367 - Yes. I have a question, this is just for me 1717 01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:16,066 to understand policy where we, 1718 01:28:16,066 --> 01:28:19,734 where we have the three three, is that typical 1719 01:28:19,834 --> 01:28:23,033 that when it's a three three we just say it's a no? 1720 01:28:23,367 --> 01:28:25,066 Do we have any process to, 1721 01:28:25,834 --> 01:28:28,033 to break a tie just in COG in general 1722 01:28:30,133 --> 01:28:34,033 - That's kind of a Roberts that would require a motion 1723 01:28:34,066 --> 01:28:35,867 to approve and 1724 01:28:35,900 --> 01:28:38,500 that motion would fail on a three, three vote. 1725 01:28:38,900 --> 01:28:40,634 - Okay. Because I was thinking three 1726 01:28:40,634 --> 01:28:42,066 wanted, you know, do you know what 1727 01:28:42,066 --> 01:28:42,367 - I mean? I, 1728 01:28:42,567 --> 01:28:45,433 - I do equal, but we went with the, we are not funding it. 1729 01:28:45,567 --> 01:28:48,500 Which makes sense because it's an impact. Yeah. 1730 01:28:48,567 --> 01:28:51,066 But it, yeah. Just to question 1731 01:28:51,500 --> 01:28:54,066 - I was going to bring up, I know that the, 1732 01:28:54,066 --> 01:28:56,100 the park staff one would appreciate the opportunity 1733 01:28:56,467 --> 01:28:59,000 to go back and revisit the 1734 01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,500 janitor's position that was turned out. 1735 01:29:00,667 --> 01:29:02,767 I don't know if Jim would like to know. 1736 01:29:02,867 --> 01:29:06,333 Last year when we took the straw poll, anything 1737 01:29:06,333 --> 01:29:08,300 that had no votes on it, we went back 1738 01:29:08,734 --> 01:29:10,266 and talked about a little bit more. 1739 01:29:11,367 --> 01:29:13,233 But now that you've had a full go to see 1740 01:29:13,233 --> 01:29:16,934 what everybody is supporting, there is at least a request 1741 01:29:17,700 --> 01:29:20,467 that they be able to speak to that issue. 1742 01:29:21,734 --> 01:29:23,867 - I, I obviously have no problem with that. 1743 01:29:23,934 --> 01:29:25,233 It isn't gonna change my vote. 1744 01:29:25,734 --> 01:29:27,033 'cause that's what my board said. 1745 01:29:27,567 --> 01:29:29,467 A reminder that all of us have an opportunity 1746 01:29:29,634 --> 01:29:31,100 to opine back in later. 1747 01:29:31,433 --> 01:29:32,500 Oh, with the, with 1748 01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:33,533 - The meetings. 1749 01:29:33,667 --> 01:29:35,033 - Yeah. Yeah. And 1750 01:29:35,133 --> 01:29:39,767 and staff will probably make it their cases for that. 1751 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,700 The budget isn't, we're pushing forward a recommendation 1752 01:29:43,500 --> 01:29:47,934 and an endorsement of the baseline budget 1753 01:29:48,100 --> 01:29:50,367 and recommendations on the 60 items and stuff. 1754 01:29:50,634 --> 01:29:52,000 But if you would like to make any kind 1755 01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,467 of presentation here now that's fine. 1756 01:29:54,367 --> 01:29:57,734 - Christie, would you like to speak to the snail? 1757 01:29:58,467 --> 01:29:59,333 - Yes. Yes. 1758 01:30:08,333 --> 01:30:11,133 - So one of the main reasons that we requested, 1759 01:30:14,834 --> 01:30:17,700 One of the main reasons we requested this position wasn't 1760 01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:21,867 just kind of a savings, not necessarily a savings, 1761 01:30:22,033 --> 01:30:25,567 but it's more of a wash between the janitorial contract, was 1762 01:30:25,567 --> 01:30:28,133 that Jim is in dire need of 1763 01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,634 staffing within his division. 1764 01:30:31,233 --> 01:30:36,033 We have had skate park added, which potentially is going 1765 01:30:36,033 --> 01:30:38,367 to have restrooms funded here soon in the future, 1766 01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:42,066 which is additional work that falls to maintenance. 1767 01:30:42,467 --> 01:30:43,900 Cleaning restrooms is something 1768 01:30:43,900 --> 01:30:46,734 that is just a small portion of this position. 1769 01:30:47,233 --> 01:30:49,333 We looked at roughly five to 10% 1770 01:30:49,333 --> 01:30:52,433 of their week would be spent cleaning facilities. 1771 01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:56,000 The rest of that is Jim's time to use them out in the field 1772 01:30:56,033 --> 01:30:58,233 to be able to do projects, to be able to move the fields. 1773 01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:02,133 He can tell you the parks are not up to the standards 1774 01:31:02,133 --> 01:31:03,133 that we'd like right now. 1775 01:31:03,867 --> 01:31:05,166 And a big part of that is 1776 01:31:05,166 --> 01:31:07,066 because we don't have the staffing to support it. 1777 01:31:08,033 --> 01:31:10,266 So from Parks 1778 01:31:10,266 --> 01:31:12,166 and recreations operational standpoint, 1779 01:31:12,166 --> 01:31:15,500 this is a major operational need with the addition 1780 01:31:15,500 --> 01:31:18,433 of the facilities, the addition of the pump pump track 1781 01:31:18,433 --> 01:31:22,433 and Patton Township, other amenities, other phases of parks 1782 01:31:22,433 --> 01:31:24,367 that are coming on board here in the near future 1783 01:31:24,367 --> 01:31:26,233 that are gonna hit us pretty hard, pretty quick. 1784 01:31:27,300 --> 01:31:31,333 So this is something that isn't reactionary, 1785 01:31:31,433 --> 01:31:33,066 it's something we're trying to get ahead of 1786 01:31:33,033 --> 01:31:35,000 and trying to make sure that we have the staffing 1787 01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,000 needs in place. 1788 01:31:37,567 --> 01:31:39,567 Jim, did you wanna add anything to that? 1789 01:31:42,033 --> 01:31:45,433 - Sure. The only, - The only thing I would add is, 1790 01:31:45,433 --> 01:31:46,433 you know, we've talked about it 1791 01:31:46,433 --> 01:31:49,133 during the budget hearings about staffing and everything. 1792 01:31:49,500 --> 01:31:53,634 This is a way for us to add a staffing member to this. 1793 01:31:53,634 --> 01:31:57,467 They're gonna take on the D duties that war paid for out 1794 01:31:57,467 --> 01:31:58,567 of a contracted service. 1795 01:31:59,233 --> 01:32:03,700 But I will see probably 50% 1796 01:32:03,734 --> 01:32:06,934 of this person is what we're thinking to help out with some 1797 01:32:06,934 --> 01:32:09,300 of the park stuff you asked during this one about, 1798 01:32:09,500 --> 01:32:10,867 would that person be mowing? 1799 01:32:10,867 --> 01:32:13,233 Here's a good possibility. Yes, they could do that as well. 1800 01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:18,867 We, we've gonna stretch that person as thin as we can to do 1801 01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:20,066 as many jobs as we can 1802 01:32:23,066 --> 01:32:25,000 - And for what, for what we're paying out 1803 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,100 of the cleaning contract. 1804 01:32:26,233 --> 01:32:29,900 So we're roughly around that 40, $43,000 a year. 1805 01:32:30,500 --> 01:32:32,567 We're only getting a small portion of cleaning 1806 01:32:33,033 --> 01:32:34,834 hours out of that contract. 1807 01:32:34,834 --> 01:32:37,467 So it's a, a pretty big cost. 1808 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,667 And our contract right now reflects a potential 5% 1809 01:32:41,667 --> 01:32:43,266 inflation each year. 1810 01:32:44,266 --> 01:32:46,133 So we're looking at increased costs. 1811 01:32:46,367 --> 01:32:48,834 We don't know what those increased cleaning costs could be 1812 01:32:48,834 --> 01:32:51,266 in the future, but it's something that we were trying 1813 01:32:51,266 --> 01:32:53,266 to think about as we were putting that proposal together 1814 01:32:53,500 --> 01:32:56,100 to give you a little bit more transparency behind 1815 01:32:56,266 --> 01:32:58,166 how we ran the numbers, how we figured out 1816 01:32:58,867 --> 01:32:59,900 to justify whether 1817 01:32:59,900 --> 01:33:01,634 or not this position was something that 1818 01:33:02,467 --> 01:33:04,333 will be a dire need within our division. 1819 01:33:04,734 --> 01:33:07,433 So just wanted to say that appreciate the time 1820 01:33:07,834 --> 01:33:10,500 and being able to, you know, share our thoughts 1821 01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:11,867 and perspective on those numbers. 1822 01:33:13,133 --> 01:33:15,500 - No, great point. I have a question. Go ahead. 1823 01:33:16,166 --> 01:33:19,066 - So when I, when I listen to how you're going to use this, 1824 01:33:19,367 --> 01:33:21,533 this new employee, I feel that, 1825 01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:25,300 are you saying there will be other savings which would've 1826 01:33:25,300 --> 01:33:28,000 come from, you know, hiring some part-time workers? 1827 01:33:28,700 --> 01:33:33,033 Or are you saying there's just this need, there's not 1828 01:33:33,433 --> 01:33:35,367 like do you foresee additional savings 1829 01:33:35,834 --> 01:33:37,000 by using this individual 1830 01:33:37,033 --> 01:33:39,367 where you would use part-time workers? 1831 01:33:39,634 --> 01:33:43,533 So the savings would actually be 44,000 plus something else? 1832 01:33:44,333 --> 01:33:46,233 - Potentially, yes. Potentially. Yes. Yeah, 1833 01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:49,834 - I was wondering that's something you can provide us as we, 1834 01:33:49,834 --> 01:33:53,066 you know, maybe when we go to our municipalities or Yeah, 1835 01:33:53,066 --> 01:33:54,333 because you, if you wanted to bring this back 1836 01:33:54,567 --> 01:33:57,100 or just give us information on that too. 1837 01:33:57,233 --> 01:33:59,100 - You've seen in the operating budget 1838 01:33:59,266 --> 01:34:01,934 how we have not been able to fill the seasonal positions 1839 01:34:02,066 --> 01:34:04,700 and this is something that we could potentially look 1840 01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:07,033 to eliminate a few of those seasonal positions 1841 01:34:07,033 --> 01:34:10,133 to help offset the increased cost here. Exactly. 1842 01:34:10,367 --> 01:34:11,867 - If you could do something like that so 1843 01:34:11,867 --> 01:34:14,867 that the numbers worked out, then I think 1844 01:34:14,867 --> 01:34:16,734 that patent would be more amenable to it. 1845 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,000 'cause we were already amendable to a part-time position. 1846 01:34:19,266 --> 01:34:22,934 But the concern is this is a ongoing expense. Correct. 1847 01:34:22,934 --> 01:34:25,567 Right. We tend not to lay off in, in local government 1848 01:34:26,066 --> 01:34:30,867 and so we want to, we want to proceed very thoughtfully 1849 01:34:31,867 --> 01:34:33,300 because of the long-term commitment. 1850 01:34:34,166 --> 01:34:35,500 - Yeah, I can appreciate 1851 01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:36,500 - That. 1852 01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:37,333 And we have done that in the past. 1853 01:34:37,567 --> 01:34:39,500 We have taken some of the seasonal positions. 1854 01:34:39,834 --> 01:34:42,467 When I first started here we had over 20 seasonal positions 1855 01:34:42,934 --> 01:34:44,634 and we have taken some of those positions 1856 01:34:44,734 --> 01:34:47,100 and created a full-time position on out of those 1857 01:34:47,467 --> 01:34:49,266 and eliminated those positions from the 1858 01:34:49,266 --> 01:34:50,266 - Seasonal works. 1859 01:34:50,266 --> 01:34:51,066 So we could maybe work through those numbers. 1860 01:34:51,767 --> 01:34:55,867 - Yeah, I believe, Ben, do you remember, 1861 01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:00,066 I think it was four seasonal, we can figure out the math, 1862 01:35:00,066 --> 01:35:02,533 but I believe it was roughly four seasonal employees 1863 01:35:02,700 --> 01:35:04,100 to help offset. 1864 01:35:04,500 --> 01:35:06,233 I believe that's the case for full time. 1865 01:35:06,233 --> 01:35:08,367 Yeah, for full time. Yeah. 1866 01:35:09,667 --> 01:35:11,767 Jim, can you step off to the side just a little bit? 1867 01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:13,934 No, it looks like you're about to be a ator. Yeah. 1868 01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:17,367 The, the red dots on your head. Oh, thank you. 1869 01:35:17,867 --> 01:35:18,634 I was seeing that 1870 01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,033 step one way or the other. 1871 01:35:25,066 --> 01:35:26,233 You're right in the line of fire. 1872 01:35:28,734 --> 01:35:32,300 Just consider you topic. 1873 01:35:38,934 --> 01:35:40,333 I don't think we wanna eliminate Jim 1874 01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:44,033 - Harris. Mr. 1875 01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:45,000 - Chair. I, I, 1876 01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:47,300 - I misunderstood this when we were voting, 1877 01:35:47,533 --> 01:35:50,333 I was looking more for cleaning bathrooms in the 1878 01:35:50,533 --> 01:35:52,000 buildings and whatnot. 1879 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,734 And that's what I thought it's primary use. 1880 01:35:53,867 --> 01:35:55,233 I did ask about cutting grass, 1881 01:35:55,233 --> 01:35:57,100 which I thought would be when they had time. 1882 01:35:57,133 --> 01:35:59,934 But from the description I just got that's, 1883 01:35:59,934 --> 01:36:02,100 this is a position that we need 1884 01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:04,867 because I was pretty vocal that said we need 1885 01:36:04,867 --> 01:36:06,367 to take better care of our parks. 1886 01:36:06,367 --> 01:36:08,500 Yeah. Because that's a visible thing to our constituents. 1887 01:36:08,900 --> 01:36:11,233 So I think Harris would change our vote to yes on 1888 01:36:11,233 --> 01:36:12,233 - This. 1889 01:36:12,233 --> 01:36:15,634 That's excellent. I can't change colleges, 1890 01:36:16,700 --> 01:36:20,133 although I absolutely at the meeting would be saying, Hey, 1891 01:36:20,300 --> 01:36:21,567 let's think about changing this. 1892 01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:25,367 But if just if agreeable, 1893 01:36:25,433 --> 01:36:26,767 I'm gonna go around the horn one more time. 1894 01:36:27,100 --> 01:36:28,467 Would that Go ahead before you go 1895 01:36:28,467 --> 01:36:30,266 - Around the horn one more time, Mr. 1896 01:36:30,367 --> 01:36:34,767 Chair, will you be amenable to 1897 01:36:35,467 --> 01:36:38,033 going back to the status quo budget 1898 01:36:38,467 --> 01:36:42,367 and relooking at your part-time, 1899 01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,567 your part-time positions 1900 01:36:46,066 --> 01:36:50,033 and reevaluating whether you can remove some of those 1901 01:36:50,300 --> 01:36:53,467 to get the additional savings above the 44,000? 1902 01:36:54,066 --> 01:36:56,700 I think my big thing is, is 1903 01:36:58,266 --> 01:36:59,266 I am in favor 1904 01:36:59,700 --> 01:37:03,000 of replacing maintenance contracts with employees. 1905 01:37:03,767 --> 01:37:08,367 But I would like it to be closer to a savings that, 1906 01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:11,900 you know, right here we're talking about something 1907 01:37:11,900 --> 01:37:15,433 that goes from 44,000 plus 5%. 1908 01:37:15,767 --> 01:37:20,133 So let's say 50,000 for it being generous, that was 1909 01:37:20,033 --> 01:37:21,033 to a hundred thousand. 1910 01:37:21,767 --> 01:37:23,834 That's doubling the cost. 1911 01:37:25,634 --> 01:37:28,667 I'd like in my prior lives 1912 01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:33,033 before I was reincarnated the local government, I'd like it 1913 01:37:33,033 --> 01:37:38,100 to be closer to savings than, 1914 01:37:38,300 --> 01:37:39,900 than doubling the cost. 1915 01:37:40,066 --> 01:37:43,133 So if you could re-look at your, and, 1916 01:37:43,266 --> 01:37:47,133 and get some savings in part-time, certainly 1917 01:37:48,300 --> 01:37:50,333 and I, I deferred to my board member, 1918 01:37:50,500 --> 01:37:53,333 but certainly I would support in that. 1919 01:37:53,734 --> 01:37:55,367 - No, that's great. That's a great, a great comment. 1920 01:37:55,900 --> 01:38:00,100 There may be an opportunity to, to, with the approval 1921 01:38:00,133 --> 01:38:01,934 of this to pull some seasonals 1922 01:38:02,834 --> 01:38:06,266 or seasonal money to help offset that going forward. 1923 01:38:07,333 --> 01:38:09,834 So Mr. Chairman Yes please. 1924 01:38:10,133 --> 01:38:12,000 - Even though half one doesn't have a stake in this, 1925 01:38:12,100 --> 01:38:16,567 but you know, you, you guys are using the term savings 1926 01:38:16,700 --> 01:38:19,000 of money, but it's not really, it's a reallocation. 1927 01:38:19,033 --> 01:38:22,233 Correct. So I just wanna make sure that we're clear on that 1928 01:38:22,567 --> 01:38:27,066 and, and I agree that moving it 1929 01:38:27,066 --> 01:38:30,033 to a full-time per person is probably much more 1930 01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:34,266 easily filled rather than a part-time seasonal position. 1931 01:38:34,634 --> 01:38:36,467 So I just wanna make sure that we're not really saving, 1932 01:38:36,533 --> 01:38:39,000 we're just locating money. 1933 01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,000 And then some food for thought is, 1934 01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:44,300 I know you've been working on this 1935 01:38:44,300 --> 01:38:47,333 and we've been asking it for a couple years now in terms 1936 01:38:47,333 --> 01:38:48,333 of programs 1937 01:38:49,066 --> 01:38:52,767 and use of programs costs, true costs of, of all that stuff. 1938 01:38:52,867 --> 01:38:54,300 And I know you're working on that. What's the, 1939 01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:56,367 what's the timeline in terms of us seeing that 1940 01:38:57,033 --> 01:38:59,767 - We have a revenue enhancement plan that's going 1941 01:38:59,767 --> 01:39:02,867 to the authority this afternoon, 12 o'clock to review that. 1942 01:39:03,033 --> 01:39:04,133 That's all of our breakdown 1943 01:39:04,133 --> 01:39:06,867 of the cost recovery information information from the 1944 01:39:07,100 --> 01:39:09,033 baseline day that we have from 2025. 1945 01:39:09,900 --> 01:39:13,100 So in 20 27, 20 27, you'll start 1946 01:39:13,100 --> 01:39:16,033 to see a little bit more historical information 1947 01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:17,133 as we pull that forward. 1948 01:39:17,367 --> 01:39:19,100 So with, you can look at 1949 01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:21,300 that packet right now if you wanna see what that looks like. 1950 01:39:21,367 --> 01:39:23,433 And it can give you an idea of where we're at 1951 01:39:23,433 --> 01:39:26,000 for each program area for cost recovery. 1952 01:39:26,133 --> 01:39:28,000 - Okay. We're getting close to seeing that. That's all. 1953 01:39:28,133 --> 01:39:30,133 It's okay. And then food for thought 1954 01:39:30,266 --> 01:39:33,734 and I don't know, you know, if this is more of a, 1955 01:39:33,834 --> 01:39:36,867 a bend thing or not, but you know, when, it's great 1956 01:39:36,867 --> 01:39:39,900 that we have, and this is bigger picture not necessarily 1957 01:39:39,900 --> 01:39:44,500 today, but when, when there are, is land donated for parks, 1958 01:39:45,300 --> 01:39:47,433 is there any requirement 1959 01:39:47,667 --> 01:39:50,900 or say there's, you know, a monies given for a skate park 1960 01:39:50,934 --> 01:39:54,033 or you know, whatever, when we have new, new park entities, 1961 01:39:54,033 --> 01:39:55,500 whether it be land or, or, 1962 01:39:55,667 --> 01:40:00,100 or products for our parks, is there an entity that 1963 01:40:00,734 --> 01:40:03,433 if you're gonna donate this, that you also are required 1964 01:40:03,433 --> 01:40:04,834 to set up a maintenance fund? 1965 01:40:05,900 --> 01:40:07,033 - No, not currently. 1966 01:40:07,100 --> 01:40:09,133 Which is one thing we're working through right now 1967 01:40:09,133 --> 01:40:10,166 through parks governance 1968 01:40:10,166 --> 01:40:12,266 with a maintenance management agreement. 1969 01:40:12,834 --> 01:40:17,166 Okay. And that would drive a little bit of the, the backings 1970 01:40:17,166 --> 01:40:19,000 of that and what that's gonna look like, 1971 01:40:19,333 --> 01:40:22,667 which is gonna drive more discussions about when we accept 1972 01:40:22,934 --> 01:40:26,300 land, what is the associated cost with accepting that land. 1973 01:40:26,300 --> 01:40:27,433 Correct. And shared costs 1974 01:40:28,133 --> 01:40:31,567 that CRPR is also incurring in addition to the municipality. 1975 01:40:32,266 --> 01:40:34,266 'cause right now that's not transparent. 1976 01:40:34,567 --> 01:40:37,900 It's scratch math numbers from our maintenance crew logging 1977 01:40:38,166 --> 01:40:40,133 how much time they put into the parks. 1978 01:40:40,033 --> 01:40:42,066 Right. But right now we don't have a mechanism 1979 01:40:42,166 --> 01:40:45,066 for when municipalities turn something over 1980 01:40:45,166 --> 01:40:48,166 and put something new in how CRPR responds to 1981 01:40:48,166 --> 01:40:51,567 that from an operational standpoint, this position is one 1982 01:40:51,567 --> 01:40:53,000 of those responses to that. 1983 01:40:54,100 --> 01:40:55,233 - But there was no mechanism 1984 01:40:55,266 --> 01:40:57,467 or is no mechanism in place right now for that. 1985 01:40:57,634 --> 01:40:59,100 Okay. 'cause it's, it's, it's great 1986 01:40:59,133 --> 01:41:01,734 to have land in things donated, 1987 01:41:02,100 --> 01:41:04,567 but the reality is is like you said on the backside, 1988 01:41:04,867 --> 01:41:06,000 it costs us a lot. 1989 01:41:06,700 --> 01:41:10,233 And so hence we have such a large budget here because Yeah. 1990 01:41:10,734 --> 01:41:13,100 Building new parks and getting things up to par to 1991 01:41:13,467 --> 01:41:16,000 and maintaining them is a huge expense. 1992 01:41:16,166 --> 01:41:18,634 And so yes, I can give you my chunk 1993 01:41:18,634 --> 01:41:20,300 of land, not my problem anymore. 1994 01:41:20,500 --> 01:41:23,367 Yeah. You know, and so we need to re-look at that. So 1995 01:41:23,567 --> 01:41:28,100 - Yeah, I just to muddy the water a bit on that, the, 1996 01:41:28,100 --> 01:41:30,066 the complicating factor is that some 1997 01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,467 of our municipalities were built out early 1998 01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:34,500 and had their parks early 1999 01:41:34,667 --> 01:41:37,233 where others are in their growth phase. 2000 01:41:38,166 --> 01:41:42,000 And so it's a kind of a governance question of 2001 01:41:42,634 --> 01:41:46,634 can you ask somebody who's now catching up to 2002 01:41:47,533 --> 01:41:50,634 have to go through a stricter process than those 2003 01:41:51,333 --> 01:41:52,834 who were built out first. 2004 01:41:54,667 --> 01:41:57,567 However, from the Parks Persec perspective, 2005 01:41:58,166 --> 01:42:03,000 we would simply like some kind of process on the acceptance 2006 01:42:03,033 --> 01:42:05,634 that the maintenance piece be considered. 2007 01:42:06,433 --> 01:42:09,567 So that if we are being required 2008 01:42:09,634 --> 01:42:13,533 to take on more parks property, the Jim's staff 2009 01:42:14,133 --> 01:42:16,033 is being taken into consideration 2010 01:42:16,133 --> 01:42:18,333 and his equipment in that process 2011 01:42:19,834 --> 01:42:22,934 because we have had a lot of acreage 2012 01:42:23,700 --> 01:42:28,000 added in over the last 15, 20 years with one new employee. 2013 01:42:28,900 --> 01:42:31,033 - Right, right. Total. Right, right. 2014 01:42:31,066 --> 01:42:33,834 And if you've got a family trust that donates land again, 2015 01:42:34,433 --> 01:42:36,033 you know, there's, there should be a maintenance 2016 01:42:36,333 --> 01:42:38,567 consideration or at least some pot of money for 2017 01:42:38,567 --> 01:42:40,066 that maintenance consideration 2018 01:42:40,066 --> 01:42:42,734 because it's a huge expense we take on. Right. 2019 01:42:43,033 --> 01:42:44,300 - The land isn't a problem, 2020 01:42:44,567 --> 01:42:45,867 it's when we do something with that. 2021 01:42:45,867 --> 01:42:47,066 - Exactly. Exactly. 2022 01:42:47,066 --> 01:42:50,233 - They start things, the all starts rolling downhill. 2023 01:42:50,433 --> 01:42:53,066 And so throw another hat on Parks governance. 2024 01:42:53,100 --> 01:42:55,867 We'll be talking about the acceptance of New Park land 2025 01:42:56,266 --> 01:42:58,834 because beyond gifting stuff, 2026 01:42:59,233 --> 01:43:02,066 our Ordinance requires developers to 2027 01:43:02,667 --> 01:43:05,133 put land into Parkland. 2028 01:43:05,934 --> 01:43:10,734 Now should that expense flow straight across 2029 01:43:10,934 --> 01:43:15,934 to the COG and in which we're all of us are subsidizing 2030 01:43:16,667 --> 01:43:17,834 the cost of that new park. 2031 01:43:18,133 --> 01:43:20,000 And those are the discussions that are coming up 2032 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,934 that hadn't, hadn't happened in a long time. 2033 01:43:23,066 --> 01:43:25,533 Yeah. So that's, that's, that's coming 2034 01:43:25,533 --> 01:43:27,934 with the work of that. Go ahead. 2035 01:43:28,166 --> 01:43:29,233 - Just a quick comment, 2036 01:43:30,500 --> 01:43:32,700 I was just looking at Parks operating budget 2037 01:43:33,166 --> 01:43:36,066 and there's facilities and maintenance under that section. 2038 01:43:36,467 --> 01:43:39,066 You have salaries and wages part-time. 2039 01:43:40,367 --> 01:43:42,333 I'm assuming that's where you might see an 2040 01:43:42,333 --> 01:43:43,500 offset with this position. 2041 01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:48,266 Yes. And you have 175,000 approximately allocated. 2042 01:43:48,934 --> 01:43:52,133 So just knowing, you know, what the savings might be there, 2043 01:43:52,266 --> 01:43:56,133 if you could provide that to all of us as this makes it way 2044 01:43:56,133 --> 01:43:57,867 through the process and provide 2045 01:43:57,867 --> 01:43:59,734 that correction, that would be great. 2046 01:44:01,266 --> 01:44:03,233 - Okay. So I'm gonna go back. 2047 01:44:03,567 --> 01:44:06,233 Excuse through Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. 2048 01:44:06,333 --> 01:44:10,700 - You were talking about the, when somebody donates it, 2049 01:44:11,033 --> 01:44:13,700 I can honestly tell you from working with this type 2050 01:44:13,700 --> 01:44:16,500 of system for years, that works great for a while, 2051 01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:18,000 but you better plan on it coming 2052 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,467 because family members either lose interest, move away, 2053 01:44:22,333 --> 01:44:24,467 you know, go broke, whatever you want to save, 2054 01:44:24,500 --> 01:44:26,467 and then that money's gonna go away eventually. 2055 01:44:27,066 --> 01:44:31,066 So even though they might ease the pain for a while, 2056 01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:33,634 that usually isn't a long term fix. 2057 01:44:33,734 --> 01:44:34,734 Right. 2058 01:44:36,767 --> 01:44:39,233 - Another analogy would be homeowners association 2059 01:44:39,767 --> 01:44:41,367 and detention basins. Oh yeah, 2060 01:44:41,634 --> 01:44:42,734 - We got one of those. Yeah, 2061 01:44:43,033 --> 01:44:44,033 - Exactly. 2062 01:44:44,033 --> 01:44:47,734 So again, I'm going to go back to this item. 2063 01:44:48,133 --> 01:44:52,767 It is the, in the parks operating for a park specialist 2064 01:44:53,100 --> 01:44:57,533 beyond janitorial, a net impact 2065 01:44:57,567 --> 01:44:59,867 of 32 746 2066 01:45:00,100 --> 01:45:04,667 and 27 ongoing of 98,988. 2067 01:45:05,233 --> 01:45:06,734 I I'm gonna start this one. 2068 01:45:08,166 --> 01:45:09,634 I still have to say no, 2069 01:45:10,900 --> 01:45:14,667 but I would encourage looking 2070 01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:19,433 as we discussed about reallocating some seasonal money 2071 01:45:19,734 --> 01:45:22,100 to this to offset the, the final expense 2072 01:45:23,166 --> 01:45:25,033 bur burrow Yes. Hair. 2073 01:45:25,533 --> 01:45:27,867 - Yes. - Patent is, we're we're the same. 2074 01:45:27,900 --> 01:45:30,000 You're still a no comment. Yep. Yeah. Okay. 2075 01:45:30,033 --> 01:45:34,133 But with that caveat that you understand. Yeah. Curtis, yes. 2076 01:45:34,900 --> 01:45:38,066 It, it now passes three to two. Well done. 2077 01:45:38,166 --> 01:45:40,100 Love it when the process comes. Yeah, you'll still do 2078 01:45:40,100 --> 01:45:41,100 - That though. 2079 01:45:42,266 --> 01:45:44,900 - I'll - Be willing to do the same on the bike counters. 2080 01:45:45,166 --> 01:45:46,333 Just give them a chance. 2081 01:45:46,867 --> 01:45:48,667 - Sure. Yeah. Is that the 2082 01:45:49,734 --> 01:45:51,767 - 'cause we have the three three, the bike counters. 2083 01:45:52,100 --> 01:45:55,867 - Okay. That's fine. Did you wanna make 2084 01:45:55,900 --> 01:45:57,033 a pitch for the bike counters? 2085 01:45:57,066 --> 01:46:00,567 Jim? Do you wish to? He already did. Yeah. I thought he did. 2086 01:46:00,567 --> 01:46:02,166 They already, we have, we have nothing to add. 2087 01:46:02,367 --> 01:46:05,834 - Jim and Ann are the bike specialists, so 2088 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:08,133 - So it is a three three 2089 01:46:08,266 --> 01:46:11,867 and I'm basing that assessment for that to move forward. 2090 01:46:11,934 --> 01:46:13,433 We would need a motion on a second. 2091 01:46:14,266 --> 01:46:16,066 You're welcome to make the motion and get a second 2092 01:46:16,066 --> 01:46:18,333 and we can take an official vote on it if, 2093 01:46:18,367 --> 01:46:19,667 if you would prefer. 2094 01:46:20,734 --> 01:46:25,266 - Okay. So the motion would look like I moved 2095 01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:27,834 to fund the bike counters Sure. 2096 01:46:27,834 --> 01:46:30,066 In the 2027. 2097 01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,166 - Yeah. - Seven. I'm like, are we seven or eight? 2098 01:46:32,367 --> 01:46:36,567 20, 27 budget of the COG. Is that 2099 01:46:36,734 --> 01:46:37,734 - Yes. 2100 01:46:37,734 --> 01:46:39,033 Sufficient. Yeah, we have a motion. Second. 2101 01:46:39,066 --> 01:46:42,033 Do we have, and we have a second. Any further discussion? 2102 01:46:44,500 --> 01:46:48,667 - I'd just like to, to point out the thing that 2103 01:46:50,033 --> 01:46:52,834 appealed to the Borough was the data 2104 01:46:52,867 --> 01:46:54,767 that we would get from the bike counters 2105 01:46:55,000 --> 01:47:00,100 and the ability then to use that for funding of proposals. 2106 01:47:00,100 --> 01:47:01,033 And we are, we are trying 2107 01:47:01,033 --> 01:47:03,066 to be this bike friendly community. 2108 01:47:03,033 --> 01:47:05,367 You know, we have a network of bike paths, we have a lot 2109 01:47:05,367 --> 01:47:08,100 of money invested in creating that network. 2110 01:47:08,734 --> 01:47:11,634 And so that's where the positive of it was for us. 2111 01:47:13,233 --> 01:47:14,734 So we, we, you know, 2112 01:47:16,266 --> 01:47:19,500 if the vote is still the way it is, we will see 2113 01:47:19,500 --> 01:47:22,066 how we can maybe, you know, bring back 2114 01:47:23,033 --> 01:47:24,300 suggestions or support. 2115 01:47:24,634 --> 01:47:26,767 But that's what I would offer. 2116 01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,767 - I would only offer, there was a suggestion the Borough 2117 01:47:30,867 --> 01:47:32,133 could buy those bike counters 2118 01:47:32,166 --> 01:47:33,266 and we could rent 'em off of you. 2119 01:47:33,734 --> 01:47:37,734 I heard that. I that so any further discussion, 2120 01:47:38,567 --> 01:47:39,567 - Oh my God. 2121 01:47:39,567 --> 01:47:41,500 It's gonna become, it's going to become a two four now, 2122 01:47:41,500 --> 01:47:43,100 you know, like with 2123 01:47:43,100 --> 01:47:44,100 - That Sion. 2124 01:47:44,100 --> 01:47:48,100 Okay. Okay. Any, anything else? I, 2125 01:47:48,033 --> 01:47:50,934 - I can mostly just echo what LY said, 2126 01:47:51,333 --> 01:47:54,300 but it just seems like we spend such an extraordinary amount 2127 01:47:54,300 --> 01:47:56,033 of money for cars 2128 01:47:56,734 --> 01:47:59,133 and this seems like a relatively small amount of money. 2129 01:47:59,634 --> 01:48:02,000 So that puts us in a position so that we can go 2130 01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:06,100 after funding because there is funding, you know, I mean, 2131 01:48:06,433 --> 01:48:11,233 and, and, and the trend varies how much funding there is 2132 01:48:11,333 --> 01:48:13,500 for, you know, more pedestrian 2133 01:48:13,567 --> 01:48:15,867 and bike friendly community versus the cars. 2134 01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:18,700 But we wanna take opportunities when we can 2135 01:48:18,700 --> 01:48:21,367 and this just seems like a fairly small investment 2136 01:48:21,667 --> 01:48:22,767 to business in ourselves. 2137 01:48:22,834 --> 01:48:23,834 Well, 2138 01:48:24,533 --> 01:48:25,533 - I do not disagree. 2139 01:48:25,934 --> 01:48:27,300 Did the director has some, 2140 01:48:27,433 --> 01:48:28,533 - The only thing I would have is 2141 01:48:28,667 --> 01:48:30,634 for College Township specifically, 2142 01:48:30,734 --> 01:48:32,000 are you working off of the list? 2143 01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:33,467 Adam has originally provided 2144 01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:35,500 - Yeah. 2145 01:48:36,033 --> 01:48:37,567 - For your yes and no comments. Yes. 2146 01:48:37,667 --> 01:48:41,066 Because I don't know if you remember your board actually 2147 01:48:41,066 --> 01:48:43,500 voted to overturn Adam's recommendation Okay. 2148 01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:45,266 On that one. On bike counters. Okay. 2149 01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:48,634 - No, I don't recall that. But 2150 01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:51,066 - That, that was the one item that they, 2151 01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,066 that you all decided to go against Adam's 2152 01:48:54,066 --> 01:48:57,433 recommendations from my notes. That was Nope, 2153 01:48:58,000 --> 01:48:59,000 - That's fine. 2154 01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:02,166 - So college - I I, that that is up to, 2155 01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,433 - I was gonna say no, I, I've already stake 2156 01:49:06,033 --> 01:49:08,166 and I don't have the minutes and so 2157 01:49:08,734 --> 01:49:12,066 - I know how college does their Yeah, theirs and 2158 01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:14,834 - It just stuck out since - I was at all 2159 01:49:14,834 --> 01:49:17,533 of the meetings. Just wanted to, 2160 01:49:17,767 --> 01:49:18,767 - Yep. 2161 01:49:18,767 --> 01:49:19,867 Thank you. Bring that up. Thank you. 2162 01:49:21,700 --> 01:49:23,500 I'm gonna call the question all those in favor 2163 01:49:23,500 --> 01:49:24,533 please say aye. 2164 01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:28,667 - Aye. Aye. - All those opposed same sign. Aye aye 2165 01:49:29,700 --> 01:49:30,700 - Aye. 2166 01:49:30,700 --> 01:49:33,333 - Yeah. So that's 3 3, 3. Okay. Motion. 2167 01:49:36,500 --> 01:49:40,300 - Yeah, we need a king. - Oh, Matt's back with 2168 01:49:40,300 --> 01:49:43,900 - Us. You could add 2169 01:49:44,700 --> 01:49:47,133 - That's kind of what the COG is joint. 2170 01:49:47,033 --> 01:49:48,567 Perfect. Yeah. Okay. 2171 01:49:49,467 --> 01:49:52,734 So that takes the second item 2172 01:49:57,934 --> 01:50:00,333 and we're on to fund balance Paul replenishment 2173 01:50:00,433 --> 01:50:03,233 and I think that Executive Director has something 2174 01:50:03,467 --> 01:50:05,467 to share. 2175 01:50:07,166 --> 01:50:11,066 - My recommendation is that 2176 01:50:13,133 --> 01:50:18,033 the municipalities take this year to catch up 2177 01:50:18,734 --> 01:50:21,533 on the use of fund balance from the past 2178 01:50:22,166 --> 01:50:26,100 and to not contribute more 2179 01:50:26,033 --> 01:50:30,000 to the fund balances in this year. 2180 01:50:31,433 --> 01:50:34,033 COG has enough cash to make it through. 2181 01:50:34,567 --> 01:50:37,100 And as I look at us as an organization, 2182 01:50:37,100 --> 01:50:39,066 I don't look at any one agency 2183 01:50:39,066 --> 01:50:42,300 where one might be at a zero balance in another 2184 01:50:43,834 --> 01:50:47,934 is flushed for those kinds of emergency situations. 2185 01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,300 We know that our municipalities are backing us. 2186 01:50:51,433 --> 01:50:55,133 If an emergency does happen, we can get 2187 01:50:55,133 --> 01:50:59,300 through most emergencies with the cumulative fund balance 2188 01:50:59,834 --> 01:51:01,233 that we already have. 2189 01:51:02,500 --> 01:51:04,266 It is brought up over and over again. 2190 01:51:04,266 --> 01:51:07,000 That code has plenty of money in their fund balance, 2191 01:51:07,066 --> 01:51:08,834 especially for new construction. 2192 01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:13,033 We can use the cash in an emergency basis 2193 01:51:13,300 --> 01:51:16,033 until other arrangements can be made. 2194 01:51:16,100 --> 01:51:19,867 So at least for this year, bless you, excuse me. 2195 01:51:20,033 --> 01:51:24,700 Moving forward, it's my recommendation that for the sake 2196 01:51:24,700 --> 01:51:27,834 of your own budgets, that you do not move forward 2197 01:51:27,834 --> 01:51:30,734 with trying to implement more of that fund balance policy 2198 01:51:32,634 --> 01:51:37,467 that can be taken up next year when we have reset the level, 2199 01:51:37,867 --> 01:51:41,767 as has been discussed on catching up on your regular 2200 01:51:41,900 --> 01:51:45,867 municipal shares, paying for general operations. 2201 01:51:46,166 --> 01:51:49,100 And as long as my team continues to do their job 2202 01:51:49,433 --> 01:51:52,634 and minimizes the overall growth 2203 01:51:54,066 --> 01:51:56,500 of the total expenditures, 2204 01:51:57,166 --> 01:52:00,634 then it will become easier in those future years for you 2205 01:52:00,667 --> 01:52:03,567 to address the fund balance issues. 2206 01:52:07,367 --> 01:52:08,100 - It's a great, 2207 01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,300 Helpful situation there. 2208 01:52:15,033 --> 01:52:17,033 The other thing I would offer, and we, it came out 2209 01:52:17,033 --> 01:52:19,667 during the review sessions, is 2210 01:52:20,834 --> 01:52:24,767 we've made great strides in moving the transparency 2211 01:52:25,133 --> 01:52:28,000 of fund balance forward on everything. 2212 01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,300 But we still have some work to do to go in knowing 2213 01:52:31,567 --> 01:52:34,634 what the buckets of money look like, what they're intended 2214 01:52:34,767 --> 01:52:36,133 for and all that good kind of stuff. 2215 01:52:36,634 --> 01:52:37,834 And we don't have that yet, 2216 01:52:38,133 --> 01:52:40,734 but we do have a fund balance policy, which is, you know, 2217 01:52:41,300 --> 01:52:44,734 and it was mid year-ish that it got implemented too. 2218 01:52:45,333 --> 01:52:48,467 So that, that makes it tough on staff and us and everything. 2219 01:52:48,500 --> 01:52:50,100 And one of the 2220 01:52:50,100 --> 01:52:53,033 after actions would be we need to, you know, one 2221 01:52:53,033 --> 01:52:57,834 of the example, we didn't get a reconciliation report of 2222 01:52:58,734 --> 01:52:59,867 the fund balances 2223 01:52:59,867 --> 01:53:02,033 that we started talking about under replenishment 2224 01:53:02,166 --> 01:53:05,000 and the one and the final numbers which came out 2225 01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:08,634 of the audit just to know that, you know, how we did 2226 01:53:09,166 --> 01:53:13,133 and everything so that it feels like there's more data along 2227 01:53:13,333 --> 01:53:16,333 with the overall reset that we use 2228 01:53:16,467 --> 01:53:18,367 so much fun balance in the past couple years 2229 01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:22,700 and that we've established this as the reset year for, 2230 01:53:23,367 --> 01:53:24,767 for fund balance and everything. 2231 01:53:25,700 --> 01:53:28,867 So with that said, we can go 2232 01:53:29,133 --> 01:53:30,834 as far into this 2233 01:53:32,233 --> 01:53:34,767 and I would offer one more thing what the, 2234 01:53:35,033 --> 01:53:39,700 what staff did at the beginning of identifying things 2235 01:53:39,734 --> 01:53:43,033 that could be unassigned so that then we could use 2236 01:53:43,033 --> 01:53:44,066 that money elsewhere. 2237 01:53:44,433 --> 01:53:46,033 Incredibly helpful. Thank you. 2238 01:53:46,333 --> 01:53:49,834 And that's definitely a sustain going forward. 2239 01:53:50,100 --> 01:53:53,033 So what do we want to talk about? 2240 01:53:53,300 --> 01:53:55,934 We've heard the executive director's recommendation. 2241 01:53:57,066 --> 01:53:59,634 Any thoughts or comments on this please, pat 2242 01:53:59,934 --> 01:54:03,100 - From Patton Township, we support that we have a little, 2243 01:54:03,700 --> 01:54:05,100 a significantly bigger slice 2244 01:54:05,100 --> 01:54:07,266 of the high this year that we have to digest. 2245 01:54:08,567 --> 01:54:12,066 So this is a, you know, we have already fun pressure on us, 2246 01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:16,266 so, and given the fact that the director said that they're, 2247 01:54:16,266 --> 01:54:20,066 they're comfortable moving without the adding 2248 01:54:20,033 --> 01:54:21,100 to the fund balance right. 2249 01:54:21,100 --> 01:54:23,133 This or implementing the process 2250 01:54:23,333 --> 01:54:25,000 for next year. We definitely support 2251 01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,000 - That. 2252 01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,934 Excellent. Other comments, thoughts Harris? 2253 01:54:29,033 --> 01:54:31,767 - Yeah, I, I have mixed feelings on this. 2254 01:54:31,934 --> 01:54:32,934 I mean, we kicked the can 2255 01:54:33,033 --> 01:54:35,033 or kicked the can down the street for many years 2256 01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:36,333 to get the fund balance policy. 2257 01:54:37,100 --> 01:54:39,567 Now we're basically saying let's keep, keep kicking the can 2258 01:54:39,567 --> 01:54:42,066 for a little bit till till we start putting money in. 2259 01:54:42,033 --> 01:54:45,533 I I, I understand fund balances is, you know, they're great 2260 01:54:45,634 --> 01:54:47,266 but there are, they are recommendations, 2261 01:54:47,266 --> 01:54:50,066 they are guidelines, you know, so we do have the power 2262 01:54:50,100 --> 01:54:52,000 to say we're putting more in or less in 2263 01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:54,033 or increasing it, decreasing it, whatever. 2264 01:54:54,634 --> 01:54:58,834 But that being said, as I look at the number, even though 2265 01:54:59,900 --> 01:55:02,734 from a Harris standpoint, we're, we're really strapped 2266 01:55:02,734 --> 01:55:06,033 for budget and I don't want to put any more out than I have 2267 01:55:06,033 --> 01:55:09,000 to, but when I'm looking at $2,800 is our thing 2268 01:55:09,433 --> 01:55:12,333 to keep this, to get this started and moving forward. 2269 01:55:14,266 --> 01:55:16,066 I think, I think my answer would be, 2270 01:55:16,367 --> 01:55:17,734 it would depend on the overall. 2271 01:55:17,834 --> 01:55:20,533 If, if, if the overall is, is palatable 2272 01:55:21,100 --> 01:55:24,000 and you know, we can add another $2,800 somewhere, 2273 01:55:24,033 --> 01:55:26,066 then I would be for this, 2274 01:55:26,066 --> 01:55:27,634 let's start, let's start this process. 2275 01:55:28,100 --> 01:55:29,700 'cause like I said, we've kicked a can 2276 01:55:29,700 --> 01:55:30,767 down the road a lot of years. 2277 01:55:32,133 --> 01:55:33,767 So that's, that's just my, my feeling. 2278 01:55:33,900 --> 01:55:36,500 So I'm like, yeah, let's do it. No, let's not do it. 2279 01:55:36,567 --> 01:55:40,033 So I I I think that it's gonna depend on the overall, 2280 01:55:40,066 --> 01:55:42,734 but I would be, I would be more apt to see it 2281 01:55:42,734 --> 01:55:43,734 - Start and stop. 2282 01:55:46,066 --> 01:55:49,567 Okay. So I am, 2283 01:55:51,133 --> 01:55:54,700 I'm a little bit with, I have some questions maybe, 2284 01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:59,634 but the way I was looking at this right now, when we say 2285 01:55:59,634 --> 01:56:03,700 that we are not going to start following policy where we, 2286 01:56:03,734 --> 01:56:07,000 let's say even if we take a five year replen replenishment 2287 01:56:07,033 --> 01:56:10,033 plan, when we say we are not going to do this, 2288 01:56:11,133 --> 01:56:15,467 are we just saying that we won't maybe fund fire protection 2289 01:56:16,066 --> 01:56:21,033 MPO where there is a, you know, where, where we have 2290 01:56:21,033 --> 01:56:25,033 to fund, but we are going to le lead the surplus in. 2291 01:56:26,634 --> 01:56:29,000 So for example, in parks operating, 2292 01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:32,233 we right now have a surplus according to this 2293 01:56:32,233 --> 01:56:34,867 of 124,000. 2294 01:56:36,100 --> 01:56:39,867 This surplus is over the minimum we are supposed to keep. 2295 01:56:40,133 --> 01:56:42,767 Am I right? Like over the minimum? 2296 01:56:43,166 --> 01:56:47,500 But it is, if we said that the minimum is only one fifth 2297 01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:52,166 of the minimum we should keep, which is what we are trying 2298 01:56:52,166 --> 01:56:53,667 to reach in fire protection. 2299 01:56:55,033 --> 01:56:59,066 - So every, every agent, 2300 01:56:59,100 --> 01:57:01,667 every fund is going to be in a different place. 2301 01:57:01,867 --> 01:57:05,634 Yes. Right. Now my suggestion is that for those agencies 2302 01:57:05,634 --> 01:57:10,300 where we are already funded above the 20% level Yeah. 2303 01:57:10,333 --> 01:57:11,333 That you don't touch them. 2304 01:57:12,133 --> 01:57:15,266 If you're looking at your total fund balance policy 2305 01:57:15,533 --> 01:57:17,300 as your bucket of water, yes. 2306 01:57:17,667 --> 01:57:20,066 I'm suggesting that you repair the holes in the bucket this 2307 01:57:20,066 --> 01:57:23,533 year, which is what you're doing 2308 01:57:23,867 --> 01:57:27,333 by not using operating fund balance 2309 01:57:28,133 --> 01:57:30,100 to spend anything you take this year 2310 01:57:30,133 --> 01:57:32,033 to fix your leaky bucket 2311 01:57:32,033 --> 01:57:36,367 because you've been losing water every year in future years, 2312 01:57:37,133 --> 01:57:39,000 you can start to fill the bucket knowing 2313 01:57:39,100 --> 01:57:41,100 that you're not going to be losing 2314 01:57:42,367 --> 01:57:43,834 any more water from that bucket. 2315 01:57:44,266 --> 01:57:48,634 - So what if, what if the other way is it possible 2316 01:57:48,634 --> 01:57:52,567 to get all our funds at 20% so 2317 01:57:52,567 --> 01:57:54,667 that means we'll actually have excess money 2318 01:57:54,667 --> 01:57:56,166 because there are some 2319 01:57:56,166 --> 01:57:58,166 where we have reached a hundred percent Right. 2320 01:57:58,734 --> 01:58:00,667 Would it, what would the, 2321 01:58:00,700 --> 01:58:04,100 what would the municipal shares look like if every every 2322 01:58:04,100 --> 01:58:06,266 fund went to the 20% minimum? 2323 01:58:07,433 --> 01:58:08,700 - That - Would be, does that make sense? 2324 01:58:08,700 --> 01:58:12,333 Because there's excess unassigned in parks 2325 01:58:12,634 --> 01:58:14,367 and excess unassigned in, 2326 01:58:15,133 --> 01:58:18,033 - Except that's a, that's a lot more math right now 2327 01:58:18,033 --> 01:58:21,133 because each of these agency funds work 2328 01:58:21,133 --> 01:58:22,266 into different formulas. 2329 01:58:22,333 --> 01:58:26,100 Okay. And so we would have to undo expenses 2330 01:58:26,100 --> 01:58:29,700 and shares for this group that reapply it 2331 01:58:29,734 --> 01:58:32,367 for this group again, for this group, take it down 2332 01:58:32,367 --> 01:58:33,767 and this group add it back in. 2333 01:58:33,767 --> 01:58:37,367 Right. I just from an operational standpoint, 2334 01:58:37,433 --> 01:58:40,834 it is much easier to say cash wise 2335 01:58:42,734 --> 01:58:47,100 COG is fine and can support each other through the year on 2336 01:58:47,100 --> 01:58:48,700 that fund balance side. 2337 01:58:49,166 --> 01:58:54,100 Knowing that on the book side of things, we can make 2338 01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:55,634 that up in future years. 2339 01:58:57,066 --> 01:59:00,300 - So, so right now we have an excess 2340 01:59:01,133 --> 01:59:03,500 in parks operating according to this. 2341 01:59:03,634 --> 01:59:05,100 I mean these numbers might change 2342 01:59:05,266 --> 01:59:07,934 because of what we've added, right? 2343 01:59:08,734 --> 01:59:11,100 Maybe we'll have nothing like these 2344 01:59:11,100 --> 01:59:12,567 numbers may not even be real. 2345 01:59:12,700 --> 01:59:14,867 Am I, I mean, may not be accurate. 2346 01:59:15,834 --> 01:59:17,834 - And that's the area parks operating 2347 01:59:18,266 --> 01:59:19,467 specifically is the area one 2348 01:59:19,467 --> 01:59:23,000 where we will look at help if there's any way we can help 2349 01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:25,000 address the Q1 request that was there, 2350 01:59:25,033 --> 01:59:29,634 but also for the autonomous mower technology 2351 01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:32,533 and other staffing plans that I mentioned. 2352 01:59:32,867 --> 01:59:35,133 I believe that was last Thursday that we are working on 2353 01:59:35,867 --> 01:59:38,233 it will have in place for you at next year. 2354 01:59:38,333 --> 01:59:43,300 By the time we get here, we expect to use some 2355 01:59:43,300 --> 01:59:45,934 of those funds to help offset additional future 2356 01:59:46,033 --> 01:59:47,500 costs that you would see. 2357 01:59:49,667 --> 01:59:52,634 - So there are only, am I right in thinking there are only 2358 01:59:52,667 --> 01:59:55,634 three funds which are in the red? 2359 01:59:55,667 --> 01:59:58,367 Like we don't have the minimum, correct? 2360 01:59:59,033 --> 02:00:03,567 - Yes. - And if we chose to, 2361 02:00:07,433 --> 02:00:08,333 - If you want to give us more 2362 02:00:08,333 --> 02:00:09,634 money, I'm not going to say no. 2363 02:00:10,634 --> 02:00:13,066 I I am, I am trying 2364 02:00:15,266 --> 02:00:18,100 keep your finance directors sane 2365 02:00:18,166 --> 02:00:20,066 and your managers sane at the same time 2366 02:00:20,166 --> 02:00:22,066 because I know that this is going 2367 02:00:22,066 --> 02:00:24,300 to be a hit. What's that? And 2368 02:00:24,333 --> 02:00:25,333 - We appreciate - That. 2369 02:00:29,667 --> 02:00:32,500 - So - I, I won't say no to taking more of your money, 2370 02:00:32,867 --> 02:00:36,000 but I, I am saying we, we will definitely be able 2371 02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,467 to survive another year without that. 2372 02:00:38,900 --> 02:00:41,367 - What would COG feel if we went across 2373 02:00:41,634 --> 02:00:42,834 all the fund balances? 2374 02:00:43,133 --> 02:00:45,567 The ones where you are at a hundred percent 2375 02:00:45,700 --> 02:00:47,867 and we only funded 20% of everything. 2376 02:00:48,367 --> 02:00:51,033 What would happen? Because that's a savings 2377 02:00:51,467 --> 02:00:53,100 for municipalities, right? 2378 02:00:53,634 --> 02:00:58,000 I know it's math, but it means we are implementing fund fund 2379 02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:59,500 balance policy from today, 2380 02:00:59,734 --> 02:01:02,934 but it's going to be a 20%, the excess is all going to be 2381 02:01:03,900 --> 02:01:07,066 used towards expenses. 2382 02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:10,033 No. What does, what do finance directors see, 2383 02:01:10,033 --> 02:01:13,066 what do my colleagues hear about that approach? 2384 02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:16,500 Are we going to like, you know, 2385 02:01:16,500 --> 02:01:18,767 not fund COG enough? It's going be terrible. 2386 02:01:19,567 --> 02:01:22,233 - Are you saying that, that to take the balances 2387 02:01:22,233 --> 02:01:24,500 that are over and move stuff to the ones 2388 02:01:24,500 --> 02:01:25,567 that are under, is that what you're 2389 02:01:25,567 --> 02:01:26,567 - Asking? 2390 02:01:26,567 --> 02:01:28,867 I'm saying that there are some funds which are 2391 02:01:29,066 --> 02:01:30,266 over a hundred percent. 2392 02:01:30,266 --> 02:01:32,100 We've reached the minimum per policy 2393 02:01:33,634 --> 02:01:37,333 and we only fund every balance at to 20%. 2394 02:01:37,433 --> 02:01:39,000 So we are releasing a 2395 02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:40,000 - Lot more money. 2396 02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:41,266 It might be prudent, it might be terrible. 2397 02:01:41,467 --> 02:01:42,767 The only thing I, because we don't have the bucket 2398 02:01:43,066 --> 02:01:44,367 of safety, the only thing I, 2399 02:01:44,367 --> 02:01:46,033 and Ben you might answer this question, 2400 02:01:46,066 --> 02:01:50,000 I I'm not sure we're allowed to move between certain funds. 2401 02:01:50,367 --> 02:01:51,500 We can't take from one fund 2402 02:01:51,500 --> 02:01:52,767 and put, we don't, we don't take it all. 2403 02:01:52,900 --> 02:01:57,567 - We would have to lower your shares use fund balance. 2404 02:01:58,133 --> 02:02:01,767 Yes. And then increase your share in another area. 2405 02:02:02,700 --> 02:02:05,266 We'll know that Mr. Heller's had his hand raised, sorry, 2406 02:02:05,367 --> 02:02:07,066 he's stuck in the upper corner. 2407 02:02:10,133 --> 02:02:12,634 Are you finished with your thought there? Yes. Okay, Mr. 2408 02:02:12,667 --> 02:02:13,667 Heller, 2409 02:02:14,667 --> 02:02:15,667 - Thank you for that. 2410 02:02:15,667 --> 02:02:16,767 And I appreciate the recognition. 2411 02:02:17,066 --> 02:02:21,634 I, I'll say it this way, I think philosophically what Mr. 2412 02:02:21,700 --> 02:02:22,767 Harden is saying 2413 02:02:23,133 --> 02:02:26,066 and you know, about kicking the can is from my standpoint, 2414 02:02:26,166 --> 02:02:28,300 it's not that one of my favorite books I keep 2415 02:02:28,300 --> 02:02:29,467 it next to me is right here. 2416 02:02:29,734 --> 02:02:32,500 It's not gonna come in methodological pragmatism, 2417 02:02:32,900 --> 02:02:35,033 very dry book, very dry. 2418 02:02:35,133 --> 02:02:37,867 However, it really, this is the idea of finance, 2419 02:02:38,066 --> 02:02:40,033 to me it's about being pragmatic 2420 02:02:40,266 --> 02:02:42,033 with the methods you choose to use. 2421 02:02:42,133 --> 02:02:46,233 And this year, what the Executive Director is proposing I 2422 02:02:46,233 --> 02:02:47,867 think makes a lot of sense for me. 2423 02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:50,934 It's not kicking the can, it's being thoughtful about, look, 2424 02:02:50,934 --> 02:02:53,233 we're going to hit you up hard here right now 2425 02:02:53,233 --> 02:02:56,133 because the fund balance is increasing, et cetera. 2426 02:02:56,333 --> 02:02:58,567 You're going to get, see that in your municipalities. 2427 02:02:59,133 --> 02:03:02,000 Let's not put two things on you at once. 2428 02:03:02,433 --> 02:03:04,500 Instead, move this to the next year. 2429 02:03:04,634 --> 02:03:06,734 Be thoughtful about how we want to spread this out. 2430 02:03:07,166 --> 02:03:11,233 And I rely on the, the recommendation of 2431 02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:13,100 the Executive Director 2432 02:03:13,166 --> 02:03:15,567 and the folks that know this stuff inside and out. 2433 02:03:15,634 --> 02:03:19,000 If I, and if I'm hearing correctly, I'm hearing, hey look, 2434 02:03:19,266 --> 02:03:21,834 yes, we're assuming a little bit more risk here, 2435 02:03:22,133 --> 02:03:23,567 but we'll be able to go ahead 2436 02:03:23,667 --> 02:03:26,066 and internally manage this should something arise. 2437 02:03:26,166 --> 02:03:29,100 That's what I'm hearing from the Executive Director today, 2438 02:03:29,133 --> 02:03:31,300 which is why I'm okay with going 2439 02:03:31,300 --> 02:03:34,133 around the monopoly board another time hoping we don't land 2440 02:03:34,133 --> 02:03:35,700 on any huge expenditures 2441 02:03:36,266 --> 02:03:38,300 and you know, just saying, yeah, we're not going 2442 02:03:38,300 --> 02:03:40,100 to put an investment in this right now. 2443 02:03:40,100 --> 02:03:42,467 But to Mr. Frank's earlier comment too, 2444 02:03:42,867 --> 02:03:45,567 that we've done a lot of good work in really synthesizing 2445 02:03:45,934 --> 02:03:48,567 and solidifying the approach to managing fund balance. 2446 02:03:48,934 --> 02:03:52,000 And that should be the thing that we say, yes, we've done 2447 02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:54,033 that well and now we're being thoughtful about 2448 02:03:54,033 --> 02:03:55,066 how we want to apply it. 2449 02:03:55,266 --> 02:03:57,033 So that's where I stand right now. 2450 02:03:57,033 --> 02:03:59,734 And I would not be in favor of really funding anything 2451 02:03:59,934 --> 02:04:03,100 beyond, you know, at, at this point. 2452 02:04:03,033 --> 02:04:05,000 Again, I would si I would agree 2453 02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:06,834 with the Executive Director in this 2454 02:04:07,166 --> 02:04:08,166 - Thank you. 2455 02:04:08,166 --> 02:04:09,567 Afternoon. You think to add, 2456 02:04:10,133 --> 02:04:11,834 - You think you're doing, I mean I agree with, 2457 02:04:11,867 --> 02:04:12,934 with Ben's thoughts. 2458 02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:15,533 I I do proceed with caution 2459 02:04:17,667 --> 02:04:19,367 about kicking the can down the road. 2460 02:04:19,634 --> 02:04:21,533 I'm still a little, we weary of that. 2461 02:04:22,700 --> 02:04:26,333 And I also think about, you know, we 2462 02:04:27,300 --> 02:04:32,000 reduced municipal funding last year using fund balance. 2463 02:04:32,066 --> 02:04:33,367 We're gonna hold off this year. 2464 02:04:34,266 --> 02:04:36,000 You know, I just wanna make sure that 2465 02:04:36,700 --> 02:04:39,500 two years down the road all of this savings isn't forgotten 2466 02:04:39,567 --> 02:04:42,233 and we have to hit municipalities with an increase 2467 02:04:42,233 --> 02:04:43,533 and they're like, whoa, wait a minute. 2468 02:04:43,533 --> 02:04:45,233 This is a change. You know? 2469 02:04:45,367 --> 02:04:47,567 And so I get, I get a little worried about that. 2470 02:04:47,734 --> 02:04:48,767 I'm also trying to be, 2471 02:04:49,100 --> 02:04:51,066 to use Matt's words pragmatic about things. 2472 02:04:51,367 --> 02:04:53,533 So like it's, it's, to me right now, 2473 02:04:53,533 --> 02:04:54,567 it's kind of a double-edged sword. 2474 02:04:54,834 --> 02:04:55,867 I'm not sure which way to go. 2475 02:04:57,667 --> 02:04:59,066 - We've got a couple conflicted. 2476 02:04:59,533 --> 02:05:02,100 - Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I feel a little conflicted. 2477 02:05:04,367 --> 02:05:06,033 - I I'm right there with you. I, 2478 02:05:06,900 --> 02:05:08,734 - Because I don't know what that question mark is. 2479 02:05:08,767 --> 02:05:10,533 Sure. You know, we know it's there, 2480 02:05:10,533 --> 02:05:12,300 but I'm like, what is that answer? 2481 02:05:12,367 --> 02:05:16,066 I, until we get there, we're not gonna know. So it's, 2482 02:05:17,066 --> 02:05:19,734 - I I'm always leery about kicking the can down the road. 2483 02:05:22,233 --> 02:05:25,700 My opinion that started 10, 12 years ago. 2484 02:05:26,433 --> 02:05:30,266 So from my standpoint, I'm willing to wait 2485 02:05:31,233 --> 02:05:35,333 the year, another year to get the 2486 02:05:36,433 --> 02:05:40,300 better information, to make better informed decisions. 2487 02:05:41,500 --> 02:05:43,000 If there was a cashflow concern 2488 02:05:45,133 --> 02:05:46,934 then it would be a different standpoint. 2489 02:05:47,033 --> 02:05:50,700 I, looking at these, again, having done this 2490 02:05:51,467 --> 02:05:55,533 in this format for a number of years, I concur 2491 02:05:55,533 --> 02:05:57,266 with the Executive Director 2492 02:05:57,533 --> 02:06:00,700 that we're in an okay spot at this moment 2493 02:06:00,934 --> 02:06:05,734 and this is a great time for a reset on all this. 2494 02:06:05,834 --> 02:06:07,000 And then move forward. 2495 02:06:07,133 --> 02:06:11,433 I kind of look at like when you decide to go digital, 2496 02:06:11,734 --> 02:06:15,100 all digital, you start, you pick a date and you scan forward 2497 02:06:15,367 --> 02:06:17,367 and then you pick up as you go back. 2498 02:06:18,033 --> 02:06:20,100 And that's what this kind of feels like to me, 2499 02:06:20,100 --> 02:06:23,233 that we're being smart with our fund balance moving forward 2500 02:06:23,700 --> 02:06:26,500 and then we're gonna use the next year as an opportunity to, 2501 02:06:27,033 --> 02:06:32,000 to look back and make that even more transparent and, 2502 02:06:32,266 --> 02:06:36,100 and making sure that we know what all those numbers are 2503 02:06:36,033 --> 02:06:39,867 before we go adding to them or taking away from them 2504 02:06:40,100 --> 02:06:41,333 or anything like that. 2505 02:06:41,333 --> 02:06:42,867 That's my concern is that 2506 02:06:44,066 --> 02:06:48,133 although we've made tremendous strides in, in knowing 2507 02:06:48,133 --> 02:06:50,033 what our fund balances are 2508 02:06:50,467 --> 02:06:54,934 and the broad stroke comparisons of unassigned committed, 2509 02:06:56,367 --> 02:06:58,333 assigned restricted, all that kind of stuff, 2510 02:06:58,700 --> 02:07:00,834 we still have some work to do and 2511 02:07:01,033 --> 02:07:04,734 before we go making, committing dollars to those, 2512 02:07:06,100 --> 02:07:07,266 especially in light 2513 02:07:07,266 --> 02:07:10,100 of the potential total increase this year 2514 02:07:10,567 --> 02:07:12,700 to our municipalities, I 2515 02:07:13,233 --> 02:07:16,266 absolutely support the executive director's recommendation. 2516 02:07:16,867 --> 02:07:20,900 So, so we can have at this point, 2517 02:07:20,900 --> 02:07:24,066 we could have a motion to either implement 2518 02:07:24,066 --> 02:07:25,934 or not implement. 2519 02:07:26,033 --> 02:07:28,033 - I have a quick clarifying question. Yep. 2520 02:07:28,567 --> 02:07:33,000 And so I, I am completely okay with what you're proposing 2521 02:07:33,834 --> 02:07:37,266 for not funding, you know, the, the, 2522 02:07:37,433 --> 02:07:40,333 the slight red amounts that we have for a few funds. 2523 02:07:41,066 --> 02:07:45,133 But what we are doing with the, the approach we are going 2524 02:07:45,233 --> 02:07:49,567 to now is we are actually implementing our fund balance 2525 02:07:49,700 --> 02:07:54,033 policy for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 2526 02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:56,033 funds in the first year. 2527 02:07:56,166 --> 02:07:58,767 We are not funding it over five years. 2528 02:08:00,066 --> 02:08:02,734 So we are actually as a group making the decision 2529 02:08:03,266 --> 02:08:08,166 that we are reaching our goal of the fund balance minimum 2530 02:08:08,367 --> 02:08:13,000 for parks operating, em, planning for all of those. 2531 02:08:13,066 --> 02:08:14,667 We are doing it in the first year. 2532 02:08:14,734 --> 02:08:17,500 And when we had gone through a fund balance policy, 2533 02:08:17,734 --> 02:08:20,634 we had said, are we going to reach these in one year, 2534 02:08:21,033 --> 02:08:22,266 two years, three years, five years? 2535 02:08:22,266 --> 02:08:23,700 Like we had that idea. 2536 02:08:24,233 --> 02:08:26,266 So is this committee saying then that 2537 02:08:26,467 --> 02:08:29,100 for those six funds we are actually committing 2538 02:08:29,100 --> 02:08:33,433 to reach the fund balance minimum in the first year And we 2539 02:08:33,467 --> 02:08:35,133 do not want the phased approach 2540 02:08:36,033 --> 02:08:39,333 but for the funds where we have not 2541 02:08:39,367 --> 02:08:41,233 yet achieved it, we are just waiting. 2542 02:08:41,433 --> 02:08:42,934 Right. We are going to do it next 2543 02:08:42,934 --> 02:08:44,166 year, but we are pretty close. 2544 02:08:44,266 --> 02:08:45,567 It's not a huge amount. 2545 02:08:46,033 --> 02:08:49,867 But are we then with this decision of 2546 02:08:50,834 --> 02:08:54,467 we are actually making the decision to meet the fund balance 2547 02:08:54,634 --> 02:08:56,634 for those six funds in the first year. 2548 02:08:56,867 --> 02:08:58,934 And that, I don't know that we have discussed 2549 02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,033 and what the implications of that are. 2550 02:09:01,367 --> 02:09:04,266 If we, if we choose not to reach it in the first year 2551 02:09:04,266 --> 02:09:06,100 and if we say, hey, this is something we want 2552 02:09:06,100 --> 02:09:07,667 to do it in two years, I would like 2553 02:09:07,667 --> 02:09:09,066 to know the risks of that. 2554 02:09:09,133 --> 02:09:12,367 Like are we not leaving COG with enough money? 2555 02:09:12,634 --> 02:09:15,867 You know, I would love to have that analysis on staff 2556 02:09:15,867 --> 02:09:18,100 because, but that's what we are doing for these six months. 2557 02:09:18,233 --> 02:09:22,000 We are reach, we are, we are committing, 2558 02:09:23,100 --> 02:09:24,367 you know, less than one fifth 2559 02:09:24,433 --> 02:09:26,133 or less than one third if that's what 2560 02:09:27,734 --> 02:09:29,100 we are committing more than that 2561 02:09:29,100 --> 02:09:31,467 and say we are, we are just reaching it in year one. 2562 02:09:32,266 --> 02:09:33,533 Just thoughts from everyone. 2563 02:09:34,266 --> 02:09:35,767 - Sure. That's a perspective. 2564 02:09:36,066 --> 02:09:38,767 The other is that we're not doing anything with any of them 2565 02:09:39,900 --> 02:09:42,233 is the overriding You could, but 2566 02:09:42,300 --> 02:09:47,066 - Here - You could def facto back into, into those yet 2567 02:09:47,166 --> 02:09:49,233 - Are we not doing anything with the surplus? 2568 02:09:49,367 --> 02:09:52,000 My thought was the surplus is going back into the budget. 2569 02:09:52,333 --> 02:09:56,000 Right? The surplus over the minimum is 2570 02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:57,100 going back into the budget. 2571 02:09:58,100 --> 02:10:01,734 - So if, if we have surplus above 2572 02:10:02,634 --> 02:10:06,066 the 100% fund balance level Yes. 2573 02:10:07,300 --> 02:10:11,233 Surplus of non 2574 02:10:11,934 --> 02:10:13,900 assigned assigned fund balance. 2575 02:10:14,133 --> 02:10:17,033 Yes. Then we would use that 2576 02:10:17,066 --> 02:10:19,433 to offset your shares in the future. 2577 02:10:19,634 --> 02:10:23,467 Yes. Yes. After we have had them audited Yes. 2578 02:10:23,667 --> 02:10:26,900 To confirm that we are at that stage, yes. 2579 02:10:27,834 --> 02:10:29,367 - But they are being used. 2580 02:10:29,867 --> 02:10:32,634 So if this committee said we are going to 2581 02:10:33,166 --> 02:10:36,734 reach our minimum fund balance, we would like 2582 02:10:36,734 --> 02:10:39,700 to reach the minimum fund balance for every fund 2583 02:10:39,700 --> 02:10:43,634 after three years, over three years, we would have more in 2584 02:10:43,634 --> 02:10:45,767 that surplus Right. 2585 02:10:46,033 --> 02:10:50,000 To, we would have more in every fund 2586 02:10:50,133 --> 02:10:53,000 that is accept that, ah, this is really difficult 2587 02:10:53,000 --> 02:10:54,767 to explain, but do you know what I mean? 2588 02:10:55,033 --> 02:10:57,033 Are we going reach 100 this year 2589 02:10:57,033 --> 02:10:59,367 or 100% this year or in three years? 2590 02:10:59,767 --> 02:11:02,433 - If I had to guess staff would use this same 2591 02:11:02,467 --> 02:11:04,033 methodology next year. 2592 02:11:04,667 --> 02:11:07,266 If the unassigned balance was greater than the minimum 2593 02:11:07,266 --> 02:11:10,300 balance, whatever extra there would be applied to 2594 02:11:11,233 --> 02:11:13,634 reduced municipal shares for next year 2595 02:11:13,867 --> 02:11:16,166 - And we make the policy decision of three years 2596 02:11:16,333 --> 02:11:19,133 or whatever next year, then are, are we gonna make 2597 02:11:19,133 --> 02:11:22,166 that decision next year of how human we are gonna reach? 2598 02:11:23,834 --> 02:11:25,133 - If I might Yes, I would. 2599 02:11:26,700 --> 02:11:30,433 I I am taking a we are looking at the same problem 2600 02:11:31,066 --> 02:11:32,634 just from two different perspectives. 2601 02:11:32,634 --> 02:11:35,634 Yeah. You are looking at it from a fund level perspective 2602 02:11:35,734 --> 02:11:39,133 where I'm looking at it from an organizational perspective. 2603 02:11:39,233 --> 02:11:44,166 Okay. Organizationally, we are meeting 2604 02:11:45,033 --> 02:11:48,033 your goal of having at least 20% funded 2605 02:11:48,100 --> 02:11:49,133 in the first year Yes. 2606 02:11:49,367 --> 02:11:51,066 Of the overall fund balances. 2607 02:11:51,533 --> 02:11:54,533 We just aren't doing it necessarily at the fund level 2608 02:11:55,734 --> 02:11:56,734 across the board. 2609 02:11:57,500 --> 02:11:59,734 And so I'm looking at the totality 2610 02:11:59,767 --> 02:12:03,467 of the organization saying you are at a good first step 2611 02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:06,000 for reaching your overall goal. 2612 02:12:07,300 --> 02:12:10,033 It's just a matter of you don't have 2613 02:12:10,033 --> 02:12:12,734 to fill up the same buck, 2614 02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:15,734 the same small bucket every year. 2615 02:12:15,834 --> 02:12:19,700 You don't have to fill, put a little bit into everything. 2616 02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:21,667 You could fill several things at once 2617 02:12:22,367 --> 02:12:24,533 and then next year you fill a couple more 2618 02:12:25,066 --> 02:12:28,266 and then the following year you fill a couple more to reach 2619 02:12:28,266 --> 02:12:31,133 that a hundred percent goal overall. 2620 02:12:32,033 --> 02:12:35,000 And that's just the difference of looking at us as a, 2621 02:12:35,433 --> 02:12:39,500 I'm looking at the corporate budget versus looking at, 2622 02:12:40,066 --> 02:12:41,900 you know, the company budget 2623 02:12:45,166 --> 02:12:49,266 and, and it's both are fair ways to, to look at it, 2624 02:12:49,567 --> 02:12:51,667 but I would argue that you are meeting your 2625 02:12:51,700 --> 02:12:53,266 goal for this year. 2626 02:12:56,734 --> 02:12:59,066 - I I would actually offer we're doing a even better 2627 02:12:59,133 --> 02:13:02,133 because we're getting a six out of nine Yes. 2628 02:13:02,033 --> 02:13:04,467 In the, you know what I mean? So we can deal 2629 02:13:04,467 --> 02:13:07,000 with other things in the future, which I'm sure we will. 2630 02:13:07,767 --> 02:13:11,667 - Yes. Just a quick thing here, if you remember, 2631 02:13:12,100 --> 02:13:14,500 it hasn't been that long ago when we had 2632 02:13:14,500 --> 02:13:17,133 to use fund balances, the balance, everything and, 2633 02:13:18,133 --> 02:13:21,133 and everybody was all worked not the fund balances seem 2634 02:13:21,133 --> 02:13:22,700 to kind of grow a little bit each year. 2635 02:13:23,133 --> 02:13:26,000 So every year we're, we're going a little now what I'm going 2636 02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:27,133 to do is I'm gonna make a motion 2637 02:13:27,266 --> 02:13:28,867 that this committee's gonna have 2638 02:13:28,867 --> 02:13:30,433 to make every year going forward. 2639 02:13:30,934 --> 02:13:32,734 'cause we've already implemented our, 2640 02:13:33,166 --> 02:13:34,467 our fund balance policy. 2641 02:13:34,667 --> 02:13:36,834 It's, it's been voted on, it is implemented. 2642 02:13:37,233 --> 02:13:41,533 So my motion would be that the finance committee recommend 2643 02:13:41,634 --> 02:13:44,867 to the executive committee that we do not 2644 02:13:46,066 --> 02:13:50,100 put any funds in the fund 2645 02:13:50,100 --> 02:13:51,300 balance is this year. 2646 02:13:52,433 --> 02:13:54,433 - Okay. In - Other words, we're, we're, we're not, 2647 02:13:54,433 --> 02:13:55,734 we're gonna do what Ben said. 2648 02:13:55,734 --> 02:13:57,266 We're not gonna add any funds Okay. 2649 02:13:57,300 --> 02:13:59,033 To the fund balance. And that's my motion. 2650 02:13:59,333 --> 02:14:02,634 - Okay. - I have a motion. Do I have a second? Second. 2651 02:14:02,900 --> 02:14:05,033 We have a second Further discussion. 2652 02:14:09,333 --> 02:14:12,133 All the question. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. 2653 02:14:12,533 --> 02:14:14,667 Aye. All those opposed, same sign? 2654 02:14:15,133 --> 02:14:18,700 - No, - Let the record show. Okay. 2655 02:14:21,066 --> 02:14:25,133 So if I'm tracking correctly, we are at a point 2656 02:14:26,100 --> 02:14:28,066 to make a potential motion 2657 02:14:28,700 --> 02:14:32,567 that the finance committee endorse the 2027 COG operating 2658 02:14:32,567 --> 02:14:35,333 budget with any and all revisions approved 2659 02:14:35,333 --> 02:14:36,567 during this discussion 2660 02:14:37,033 --> 02:14:39,667 and direct COG staff to prepare the transmittal 2661 02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:42,133 and summary budget at the earliest opportunity 2662 02:14:42,367 --> 02:14:44,700 for consideration by the executive committee 2663 02:14:45,033 --> 02:14:48,033 to recommend distribution to the member municipalities 2664 02:14:50,467 --> 02:14:51,467 - Chair. 2665 02:14:51,467 --> 02:14:52,700 Yeah, that's, that is good. 2666 02:14:52,700 --> 02:14:55,133 But I, I don't like the word endorse. Okay. 2667 02:14:55,500 --> 02:14:57,767 'cause all of us sitting around here have voted yes 2668 02:14:57,767 --> 02:14:58,934 and no on certain items. 2669 02:14:59,033 --> 02:15:01,467 Okay. So we don't necessarily all endorse 2670 02:15:01,767 --> 02:15:02,934 a hundred percent of this thing. 2671 02:15:02,934 --> 02:15:05,033 - However, submit. So I would say committee, we do 2672 02:15:05,033 --> 02:15:06,367 - Submit, I would say submit. 2673 02:15:06,567 --> 02:15:08,000 - However, as a committee 2674 02:15:08,100 --> 02:15:09,100 - We do. 2675 02:15:09,100 --> 02:15:09,767 I know as a committee we do, 2676 02:15:09,767 --> 02:15:12,367 but I would, I would sooner have that word as submit 2677 02:15:12,367 --> 02:15:14,367 that is not nearly as strong as endorse 2678 02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:19,000 - Thoughts. 2679 02:15:19,367 --> 02:15:20,834 - This - Is Matt. I'd like to make the motion 2680 02:15:20,867 --> 02:15:21,867 - As read. 2681 02:15:22,033 --> 02:15:24,033 - Thank you. - I'll 2682 02:15:24,100 --> 02:15:25,100 - Second that. 2683 02:15:25,100 --> 02:15:28,700 Thank you. Do we need to vote on that? 2684 02:15:30,100 --> 02:15:32,734 - On which, - As as your potential amendment 2685 02:15:32,867 --> 02:15:34,233 to the motion on the, the floor. I 2686 02:15:34,233 --> 02:15:35,233 - Just made my comments. 2687 02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:39,166 - Okay. Alright, 2688 02:15:39,166 --> 02:15:41,300 well then if you're not doing it in the formal of a formal, 2689 02:15:41,533 --> 02:15:45,233 then we have a motion and we have a second on the floor. 2690 02:15:46,834 --> 02:15:47,867 Any further discussion? 2691 02:15:50,100 --> 02:15:53,100 All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 2692 02:15:53,133 --> 02:15:54,700 All those opposed? Same sign. 2693 02:15:55,033 --> 02:15:59,467 - Aye. - Let the record show. Well done folks. 2694 02:16:00,767 --> 02:16:04,133 - All done. - What's gonna follow? 2695 02:16:05,567 --> 02:16:07,433 I, I think it's been clear that all 2696 02:16:07,433 --> 02:16:10,834 of you're gonna be incredibly critical pieces to your peers 2697 02:16:11,834 --> 02:16:14,667 and the information that you share with them 2698 02:16:14,734 --> 02:16:18,133 and the perspectives that you share with them is going to 2699 02:16:19,100 --> 02:16:22,033 go a long way towards the final approval 2700 02:16:22,934 --> 02:16:24,166 of the summary budget. 2701 02:16:26,033 --> 02:16:29,133 Continuing on October Finance committee date confirmation 2702 02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:32,233 and comments on the operating budget, Ms. MacMullan. 2703 02:16:32,333 --> 02:16:36,333 - So to, to move forward, what this item 2704 02:16:37,066 --> 02:16:41,000 is discussing is what happens next? 2705 02:16:42,700 --> 02:16:47,133 The summary budget will be prepared over the next 2706 02:16:47,667 --> 02:16:50,133 few days, taking into consideration everything 2707 02:16:51,166 --> 02:16:53,033 that was discussed today. 2708 02:16:53,166 --> 02:16:55,066 So the process for that is, first 2709 02:16:55,834 --> 02:16:58,000 the personnel budget gets updated 2710 02:16:58,100 --> 02:17:00,100 with the positions that were approved. 2711 02:17:00,734 --> 02:17:04,266 That gets sent into clear gov operating budget. 2712 02:17:05,066 --> 02:17:07,033 The capital items 2713 02:17:07,634 --> 02:17:10,567 and the other expenses that were approved 2714 02:17:10,567 --> 02:17:13,033 through the SIG e get added to the budget. 2715 02:17:13,834 --> 02:17:16,300 The operating budget then becomes the new normal, 2716 02:17:16,734 --> 02:17:19,266 if you will, the next level of the budget. 2717 02:17:20,300 --> 02:17:21,367 That expenditure 2718 02:17:21,567 --> 02:17:26,233 and revenue detail moves to the fund balance 2719 02:17:26,367 --> 02:17:28,266 and municipal share analysis. 2720 02:17:28,867 --> 02:17:31,066 The municipal shares are part of 2721 02:17:32,333 --> 02:17:34,066 the clear gov revenue streams. 2722 02:17:34,734 --> 02:17:39,100 So those items get imported or entered directly. 2723 02:17:39,433 --> 02:17:42,233 The fund balance and clear gov lives in a separate place. 2724 02:17:42,934 --> 02:17:45,300 So what we'll do is we will have 2725 02:17:46,033 --> 02:17:48,300 an offline analysis for that. 2726 02:17:48,734 --> 02:17:52,467 But what clear gov does show are it, it's got a place 2727 02:17:52,467 --> 02:17:55,367 where we can show in total the different buckets 2728 02:17:55,734 --> 02:17:59,033 of unassigned, restricted, committed, et cetera. 2729 02:17:59,166 --> 02:18:02,000 We have an action item to discuss with clear gov. 2730 02:18:02,033 --> 02:18:03,100 It's if it's possible 2731 02:18:03,433 --> 02:18:06,000 to actually provide even more detail within that. 2732 02:18:06,433 --> 02:18:09,066 But what we do know is that we will have that visibility 2733 02:18:09,166 --> 02:18:11,066 to see what the different types of 2734 02:18:12,133 --> 02:18:14,634 items are living in each individual fund balance. 2735 02:18:17,133 --> 02:18:21,133 The next meeting of this committee is October 22nd. 2736 02:18:21,834 --> 02:18:25,567 That is consistent with last year where we met 2737 02:18:25,734 --> 02:18:29,767 after the budget was distributed to the municipalities 2738 02:18:30,634 --> 02:18:34,000 and that goes out through the executive committee. 2739 02:18:35,266 --> 02:18:36,934 And then there is about a four 2740 02:18:36,934 --> 02:18:38,066 or five week window 2741 02:18:38,734 --> 02:18:41,100 that the municipalities review the budget 2742 02:18:41,567 --> 02:18:44,033 and with your guidance of course. 2743 02:18:45,567 --> 02:18:48,700 And then the budget is either adopted or not. 2744 02:18:49,634 --> 02:18:51,934 We've received a letter in the past from each of you 2745 02:18:51,934 --> 02:18:55,867 that says the budget would be incorporated occasionally. 2746 02:18:55,867 --> 02:18:57,567 There are a few notes for us 2747 02:18:57,634 --> 02:18:59,700 to just take into consideration. 2748 02:19:00,100 --> 02:19:01,467 Many of them become the action items 2749 02:19:01,567 --> 02:19:03,500 for the following budget for the following year. 2750 02:19:04,300 --> 02:19:07,367 I included in this item a list of what I could get online 2751 02:19:07,667 --> 02:19:08,867 of your meetings. 2752 02:19:09,333 --> 02:19:12,300 So I guess a couple of the questions that we have. 2753 02:19:13,133 --> 02:19:16,500 One is the timeline suitable that the 2754 02:19:17,033 --> 02:19:18,533 municipal comments are, 2755 02:19:19,100 --> 02:19:21,066 or letter of approval is directed back 2756 02:19:21,066 --> 02:19:23,333 to the Executive Director by the end 2757 02:19:23,333 --> 02:19:25,000 of the day on October 21. 2758 02:19:25,567 --> 02:19:27,834 So that this committee has those comments 2759 02:19:27,934 --> 02:19:30,767 and letters to review on October 22nd. 2760 02:19:31,667 --> 02:19:36,100 And then secondly, if you perceive a desire 2761 02:19:36,266 --> 02:19:40,100 or need for COG to be represented at any 2762 02:19:40,100 --> 02:19:42,233 of your forthcoming budget meetings 2763 02:19:42,266 --> 02:19:44,300 or regularly scheduled meetings. 2764 02:19:44,767 --> 02:19:46,834 Those are my two requests in this item. 2765 02:19:47,367 --> 02:19:51,500 And then there is a motion with regards to the comments 2766 02:19:51,667 --> 02:19:53,867 and discussion for October 22nd. 2767 02:19:55,000 --> 02:19:58,066 - I could just add whole small pieces 2768 02:19:58,033 --> 02:19:59,567 for housekeeping on this. 2769 02:20:00,634 --> 02:20:04,533 Due to the ICMA schedule this year, which 2770 02:20:05,667 --> 02:20:09,367 got pushed back towards the end of October. 2771 02:20:10,533 --> 02:20:12,867 This used to be a September conference. 2772 02:20:14,533 --> 02:20:17,066 I will be traveling for part of this. 2773 02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:20,033 So based on this schedule that we have, 2774 02:20:20,133 --> 02:20:24,133 Penn Township is the only one that I cannot make it to. 2775 02:20:24,333 --> 02:20:28,033 But Kim I believe could be available for that one 2776 02:20:29,033 --> 02:20:32,867 of your municipal meetings when you are 2777 02:20:33,100 --> 02:20:34,100 submitting your letter. 2778 02:20:34,133 --> 02:20:38,000 That deadline, I would appreciate it if you copied Kim and 2779 02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:40,333 or Scott onto that. 2780 02:20:40,467 --> 02:20:43,934 Since I will be in California at the time. 2781 02:20:45,033 --> 02:20:47,266 I will not make it back in time 2782 02:20:47,667 --> 02:20:49,767 for your next committee meeting. 2783 02:20:49,867 --> 02:20:54,300 That is that I can only get a red eye so I don't land here 2784 02:20:54,500 --> 02:20:56,367 before your meeting. 2785 02:20:56,567 --> 02:20:59,333 But I, as long as there are no travel delays, I will be able 2786 02:20:59,567 --> 02:21:02,333 to make it to exec, which follows the finance 2787 02:21:02,333 --> 02:21:03,767 meeting on that day. 2788 02:21:04,700 --> 02:21:07,734 But I wanted to make sure that you all knew in advance 2789 02:21:09,533 --> 02:21:11,734 where we would be, where I would be. 2790 02:21:14,100 --> 02:21:18,000 - Very good questions, comments. 2791 02:21:22,133 --> 02:21:24,634 - So the meeting would be 22nd. The 2792 02:21:24,634 --> 02:21:25,634 - Next one? 2793 02:21:25,634 --> 02:21:28,533 Correct. Okay. Okay. 2794 02:21:28,734 --> 02:21:31,767 I'll get, okay. Yep. 2795 02:21:31,767 --> 02:21:34,367 We're trying to, you know, this falls along 2796 02:21:34,367 --> 02:21:36,500 with this schedule with you published earlier 2797 02:21:36,667 --> 02:21:37,700 in the year and everything. 2798 02:21:39,133 --> 02:21:43,934 My only comment would be, I believe we should put in here 2799 02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:47,100 what our goal is for general forum approval. 2800 02:21:48,233 --> 02:21:52,367 And I believe that is at the November meeting 2801 02:21:52,567 --> 02:21:53,734 or October meeting. 2802 02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:57,333 - It could be the October meeting 2803 02:21:57,333 --> 02:22:00,066 because we will have, this committee will have met, 2804 02:22:00,467 --> 02:22:03,233 the executive committee will have met, I believe 2805 02:22:03,233 --> 02:22:06,033 that follows right after this meeting on the 22nd. 2806 02:22:07,266 --> 02:22:10,100 And we could certainly do that at the end of October. 2807 02:22:10,900 --> 02:22:12,367 I think that's what we did last year 2808 02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:16,500 because you are in your budget cycle then. 2809 02:22:18,266 --> 02:22:22,066 And then I believe the October motion was 2810 02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:26,734 that we had an expectation that the budget be adopted by you 2811 02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:28,066 by December 31st. 2812 02:22:28,133 --> 02:22:29,467 - Yeah, that's a requirement. 2813 02:22:29,667 --> 02:22:34,233 But, so our goal if, if you would appease me is 2814 02:22:34,233 --> 02:22:35,300 to add one sentence. 2815 02:22:35,667 --> 02:22:39,033 The committee and staff's goal is for potential approval 2816 02:22:39,500 --> 02:22:43,767 of the 2027 summary budget at the October general forum. 2817 02:22:44,567 --> 02:22:47,033 Just simple statements so everybody knows 2818 02:22:47,033 --> 02:22:48,367 where we're headed, where we're leaning 2819 02:22:48,567 --> 02:22:50,700 into and everything like that. 2820 02:22:50,767 --> 02:22:52,700 Time is of the essence. All that good stuff. 2821 02:22:52,900 --> 02:22:56,100 So I'll just read the, 2822 02:22:56,667 --> 02:22:58,000 that the finance committee recommends 2823 02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:00,734 that the executive committee recommend the general forum, 2824 02:23:00,934 --> 02:23:04,100 the submission of municipal comments on the 2027 COG 2825 02:23:04,100 --> 02:23:07,100 operating budget to the COG Executive Director 2826 02:23:07,166 --> 02:23:10,500 by 5:00 PM October 21st, 2026 2827 02:23:11,133 --> 02:23:12,300 for distribution two 2828 02:23:12,467 --> 02:23:14,934 and discussion by the finance committee on 2829 02:23:14,934 --> 02:23:17,066 October 22nd, 2026. 2830 02:23:18,066 --> 02:23:22,033 The committee and staff's goal is for potential 2831 02:23:23,500 --> 02:23:26,567 approval of the 2027 summary budget at the 2832 02:23:26,567 --> 02:23:30,367 October, 2026 general form meeting. 2833 02:23:31,266 --> 02:23:33,033 Anybody comfortable making that motion? 2834 02:23:33,934 --> 02:23:36,467 - I, I'll move Mr. - Heller. Mr. Heller, 2835 02:23:38,433 --> 02:23:39,433 - I'm sorry. 2836 02:23:39,433 --> 02:23:40,734 Did somebody make the motion? Oh, 2837 02:23:40,734 --> 02:23:41,734 - I just did, yes. 2838 02:23:42,867 --> 02:23:43,867 - Yeah, I'll second it then. 2839 02:23:44,100 --> 02:23:46,667 - Very good, thank you. Any other discussions? 2840 02:23:47,767 --> 02:23:49,133 - If I may keep my hand up there 2841 02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:51,133 - Please, please. You have discussion. 2842 02:23:51,533 --> 02:23:53,734 - I just wanna say again, thank you to to COG 2843 02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:56,367 and I know in the past there's always been very good 2844 02:23:56,367 --> 02:23:58,900 relationships with the managers trying to figure out 2845 02:23:58,934 --> 02:24:00,266 what meeting will work for them. 2846 02:24:00,934 --> 02:24:03,066 So again, I look forward to that discussion 2847 02:24:03,300 --> 02:24:05,333 and I think this will work just fine. 2848 02:24:05,467 --> 02:24:06,467 So thank you. 2849 02:24:07,133 --> 02:24:09,500 - Excellent. Any further discussion? 2850 02:24:11,467 --> 02:24:13,133 Call the call the question. 2851 02:24:13,133 --> 02:24:16,133 All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 2852 02:24:16,433 --> 02:24:17,900 All those opposed, same sign. 2853 02:24:19,066 --> 02:24:22,634 Motion carries other business. 2854 02:24:23,000 --> 02:24:26,100 Does staff have any of the matters of record they wish 2855 02:24:26,100 --> 02:24:30,333 to draw to the committee's attention? Not this 2856 02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:35,834 - Matter of record, but this first opportunity that I can 2857 02:24:36,266 --> 02:24:39,567 announce that COG was granted an LSA grant 2858 02:24:41,500 --> 02:24:45,900 of $200,000 for the EV charging for 2859 02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:48,033 the COG parking lot. 2860 02:24:48,734 --> 02:24:50,367 It's half of what I asked for. 2861 02:24:51,100 --> 02:24:54,266 But thanks to Gray Star's contribution 2862 02:24:54,500 --> 02:24:57,867 to the Code Administration, we should be able to get 2863 02:24:57,867 --> 02:24:59,000 that project done. 2864 02:24:59,233 --> 02:25:03,500 So we will likely ask for a budget amendment next year. 2865 02:25:04,166 --> 02:25:07,266 'cause we are not going to upset the apple cart right 2866 02:25:07,266 --> 02:25:09,233 now and change all of that. 2867 02:25:10,867 --> 02:25:14,700 But we are very thankful that that was approved 2868 02:25:16,266 --> 02:25:19,166 and that we can move forward with a project that has been 2869 02:25:19,867 --> 02:25:22,367 on the books for a number of years now 2870 02:25:26,900 --> 02:25:27,900 - Is isn't it? 2871 02:25:28,133 --> 02:25:29,133 Does any intent? 2872 02:25:29,266 --> 02:25:33,266 There was recently announcement of a grant window. 2873 02:25:35,667 --> 02:25:39,000 We had some Harrisburg folks and whatnot in, 2874 02:25:39,166 --> 02:25:42,033 and I think that that is ends in March. 2875 02:25:42,567 --> 02:25:44,734 Any intent to go towards that 2876 02:25:44,867 --> 02:25:46,233 - For the additional LSA funds 2877 02:25:46,634 --> 02:25:49,700 - Or It's a totally, I think it was through, 2878 02:25:52,133 --> 02:25:54,266 I just know from my county planning petition, 2879 02:25:54,266 --> 02:25:55,467 had we just discussed it, 2880 02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:57,734 - COG is not eligible for everything 2881 02:25:57,734 --> 02:25:59,300 that the municipalities are. Okay. 2882 02:25:59,467 --> 02:26:00,467 - I didn't know of that one. 2883 02:26:01,066 --> 02:26:04,233 - This is the first year we've been eligible for LSA. Yeah. 2884 02:26:05,033 --> 02:26:07,033 Through the OG group. 2885 02:26:07,333 --> 02:26:11,500 We have been advocating to get COGS added to more 2886 02:26:11,500 --> 02:26:13,033 of the enabling legislation 2887 02:26:13,066 --> 02:26:14,700 to allow us to put in for more grants. 2888 02:26:15,133 --> 02:26:19,000 But as it is, we are fairly restricted on 2889 02:26:19,066 --> 02:26:20,133 what we can apply for. 2890 02:26:20,433 --> 02:26:23,867 - Awesome. Okay. 2891 02:26:25,233 --> 02:26:26,000 That's great news. 2892 02:26:29,333 --> 02:26:30,667 Calendar reference links. 2893 02:26:31,100 --> 02:26:32,133 Anything else for the good of the order? 2894 02:26:34,834 --> 02:26:37,567 If not, I'd accept a motion to adju. I'll move. 2895 02:26:38,867 --> 02:26:41,467 We are Adjourn. Thank you so much. 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