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- We are the Community Diversity Group.

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Our mission is to foster an inclusive

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and interactive community, which attracts

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and retains a pool of potential employees

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and residents from underrepresented groups.

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We accomplish this in many ways,

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including sponsoring events like the Community Resource

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Fair, publishing, a monthly resource flyer,

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and providing public training and educational

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and networking events.

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You can find us online@communitydiversitygroup.com.

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- The Centre Region Active Adult Center is a vibrant,

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inclusive, and happening location designed

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for active adults 55 years and over to be social

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and participate in new experiences while

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also staying close to home.

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We promote healthy aging through our many activities

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and health forums, as well as lifelong learning

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through classes and social interaction

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that suit almost any lifestyle.

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Whether you prefer line dancing followed by a walk

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or a game of bridge and a meal,

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the center is sure to have something for you.

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Visit crpr.org for more info.

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- You are watching CNET Center County's Government

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and Educational Access Network.

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- Okay, call to order the Centre Region

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Plan Commission meeting dated September 3rd, 2026.

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And the first item on the agenda, is there any public

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that's signed on at all?

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Nope. No public in here. Okay.

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New agenda items. Is there an item that would like

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to be added to tonight?

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it gives you the directions

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and the instructions as to

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what could be added at this late stage.

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Normally items get added well

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before this is published and things like that.

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Any recommended items to be added?

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And if not, we'll move on.

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Let's move on to regional interest items.

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And this is where you have the opportunities to

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discuss activities within your municipalities.

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I don't generally do this, but I'll lead off.

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We've, we haven't had a meeting, probably the last two

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to three meetings have been canceled in ours

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because of lack of agenda items and, and things like that.

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I think there might've been a lot of vacations

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and lack of quorums and things like that too, as well,

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but there wasn't actions item that necessary.

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But with this stating Bill, if you'd like to lead off,

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- Ferguson Township is dealing with three, three things

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that I'm gonna report to this board.

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The data center thing is still alive and well.

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And Ferguson

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and staff at Ferguson is working on an

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Ordinance related to data centers.

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- Our next - Planning commission meeting,

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the intent is to have that on the agenda.

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So I have not seen it

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and probably won't see it until, until that night

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or close to that night.

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The second thing is, and, and it it, it may

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or may not affect us long term,

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but of course this whole business of the flock cameras,

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the li automatic automated license plate reader function

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is being challenged by one of the Supervisors.

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on that with all of the Supervisors at their next

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supervisor meeting.

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He's particularly concerned about the, the, the automated

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license plate reader capacity of, of that

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there has been and will be a discussion on

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changing some of the wording in our ordinances related to

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accessory dwelling units.

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ADUs, there is a proposal coming

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forward in the Supervisors

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to modify the definition by a word or two.

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of the discussion is to

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make it a little more a DU friendly

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in Ferguson Township than

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what our current Ordinance allows for.

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of the planning commission in Ferguson

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because it's related to a Aldo and,

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and all of those other kinds of documents

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that we are responsible for.

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is most recently I just heard that the governor

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- He's, I think he's moving in that direction.

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- Cameras. Cameras, cameras.

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what was happening is they were setting them up

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without advertising them in, in the construction zones.

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between I got ticket the public domain

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because clearly there are concerns within the

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private domain for being able

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to identify Bad actors.

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public, private,

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private domain than than many people realize.

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to an Ordinance and a ban, I don't know

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how Ferguson is going to deal with the fact that

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there are a number of them that exist now.

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in some states had the automated license plate

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readers for people who violated the school bus passing laws.

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or whether our state, you know, anyone in the state, but,

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but that was a, a clear use of them

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long before maybe flack came on the market.

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- Jeff, nothing from Harris Township.

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updating the industrial Ordinance includes data centers

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and utility scale solar.

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- Bill, are you online, William?

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- I am online. Just gimme a second

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to find some place to fly it.

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- Okay. - So, so go ahead

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and skip me while I find a place to quiet.

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- What did you say? Skip 'em. Skip 'em. Okay. Okay.

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CRP activity report. Chopan.

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been working on through the comprehensive plan,

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but I'm gonna talk more about that and,

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and the update later on the agenda.

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CRPA did participate in the Centre County Listening Sessions

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related and facilitated by CEC COG

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to develop a new five year comprehensive

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economic development strategic strategy

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for the 11 county region.

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and Cedar COG does a lot of economic development portion

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of the work for Centre County.

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to provide information related to economic growth,

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resiliency, workforce development on the transportation

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side, the Centre County Crash Dashboard.

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I don't know if any of you have seen that or heard of that,

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but that was updated.

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So now we have data from 2018 to 2025,

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and if people are interested, we could send that

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a link to it afterwards.

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But it's, it's a useful tool on the transportation

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planning side to making sure we're looking at safety,

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which is one of the things we talk about

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in the comprehensive planning.

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And then what you may recall if you're at the meeting is Ann

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Mesner was here earlier and talked about two guides

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and those are finalized on our website.

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So there's the Centre Region employer guide to biking

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to work and the guidelines for municipalities

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to maintain bicycle facilities.

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that she got from different stakeholders

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and those documents are now available on our website.

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That is the update.

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the DRI? For the

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- State? A RL?

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- No, no, the Tussie. Tussie.

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- So Tussie had its first general form meeting at the

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for the first time at the August general form.

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The municipalities are now discussing it

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to determine if they have additional questions,

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need information, and it will come back at the

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October general forum for the Okay. Process of

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I'm just glad I didn't miss that. Yep.

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- No, that'll be in October.

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the presentation, general information, then it goes

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- Is a RL the same - A RL has been approved.

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- Hey, deal. Okay.

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With that question, it moves us to Consent Agenda.

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hopefully everybody's got a chance to review the minutes

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of the August 6th, 2026 meeting.

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And the question I have is, is there any major changes, nits

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errors that need to be adjusted or corrected for

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- Actually, Mr. Chair?

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- Yes. Thank you William.

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- I thought, I thought it was, I apologize.

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I am at a open house for back to school night, so

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I found a lot of teachers rooms

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to quickly give the Patton Township report here,

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we have not had our meeting this month.

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As the first Monday is gonna be next week

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we'll be going over the, the, the data center

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letter that's being sent back by CRPC.

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I believe that's my understanding of one of the items

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that we'll be handling next week as far

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as well as a report from the school, I believe on the status

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of moving the large copious amounts

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of dirt from the new middle school.

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And just to get it out of the way.

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As, as well for the committee report from MPO,

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that meeting was canceled.

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So if I lose connection, you, you have the information.

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Since we did jump back into the regional interest items,

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Neil, is there anything that you would like to add?

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and time for the start of the school year.

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I think we broke around and had opened in 18 months.

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I don't recommend it, but I think it was, you know,

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we were able to do it just 'cause we hired a really good

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team, really good architects, good contractor.

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They worked well together.

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If it was just a bunch of strangers just meeting

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for the first time, I don't think we

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would've pulled it off. So.

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- And what's the name of - It? It's called the

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East Classroom Building.

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Waiting for a donor. Waiting for a donor. Okay.

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Now we'll go back to the Consent Agenda, which has to deal

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with the minutes from the August 5th, August 6th meeting.

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If there is no additions or changes or edits necessary

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and it's acceptable, I'll take,

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I'll accept a motion for approval.

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Move for approval. Do we have second?

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We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye.

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Aye. Opposed? Same sign. Okay.

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All right. Moves us to the action agenda items

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and the first item on there is the College Township Zoning

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map amendment, which is the 60 acres

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that they're changing from UPD to PRBD.

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Jenna, you're up.

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- Alright, so first one tonight we have College

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Township Zoning map amendment.

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So you all may be familiar with the

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Penn State A-R-L-D-R-I requests.

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This is in relation to that, as Pam noted that went through

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and was approved by general forum.

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This is that next step in the process to rezone the,

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this area from UPD

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Subdistrict 14 over to the planned research business park

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district that is pretty much full of innovation park.

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So I've summarized just past actions.

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You all, I believe saw this at February 5th

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meeting earlier this year, general Forum did act on

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that July 27th.

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College Township Planning Commission has recommended

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approval of the request of rezoning

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with the condition on Penn State providing a subdivision

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plan within six months of approval.

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So those are the big items for this Zoning map amendment.

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We have reviewed this, it is consistent with the 2013

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comprehensive plan update

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and we are recommending approval for their questions.

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- So questions with regards to that?

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- I have a simple kind of processing question.

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I'm curious about the, the, the writeup

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says approval based on condition on A PSU providing a

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subdivision plan within six months.

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And I'm just curious, how was

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that operationalized in the actual Ordinance

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that when I look at the Ordinance here,

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it doesn't say anything about that requirement?

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- Yeah, it's an interesting one.

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It was included in the staff report

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that Lindsay provided to me.

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Okay. I mean, operationally, if the council were

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to move forward with making this Zoning map change

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that is in place, okay.

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I would imagine

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and write could comment on the concern from planning

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commission without that subdivision in place,

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knowing the exact outline of this area is kind of

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where we're all wondering.

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Okay. I'm assuming based off

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of the master plan drawings that we have seen are kind of,

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we need to identify these edges.

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Exactly. But Right.

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Most of the development is gonna be in

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towards innovation park. So,

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- And I I wanna be clear,

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I have no absolutely no concerns at all about, I'm just kind

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of curious how, how that operational Yeah,

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- For the record, we're not gonna subdivide the property

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because it's Penn State property

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against Penn State property.

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We're just gonna parcelized the property.

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So I already emailed her about that terms subdivide

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and Okay.

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She said, I get it.

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You're not gonna, you don't have to do it, but you have to.

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We're gonna, the property survey, we're gonna have it

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as a parcel that be separate.

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- So it's really gonna be like tracked from an

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outside perspective.

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It's a view of everything together, but it's parceled. Yeah.

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And that's all it is. It's,

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- Yeah, it's a boundary within real state property. It,

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- It's a, it's, it's a line you have to deal

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with. Not anybody else.

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- Yeah. But, but the EPD

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and the growth boundary is gonna follow

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that right parcel as well.

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Yep. Just a, is

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- A RL gonna own the land

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or are they just leasing it from Penn State?

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- It's Penn State property. So AOL does not own property.

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- Do they own the buildings? - The

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university owns buildings.

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- So they're just there. - Yeah.

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- Do they pay rent? - No.

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- So they're just there. - Yeah.

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So A A RL is obtaining the funding through their grants,

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through their sponsors

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and then through e even though they obtain the funding,

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the university builds the buildings and

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- Maintains the buildings.

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Yeah. Because they have independent funding. Right.

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And so how do they pay Penn State

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where Penn State just gives 'em the land and the buildings

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and they get to keep all their

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funding? Or how does that work?

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- Errol's funding is used to pay

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for, to build the buildings.

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Okay.

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- It's probably a major indirect cost as well.

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I assume that the a RL receives it goes directly

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to the university homes company

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expenses. So

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- Yeah, - They're separate but not separate.

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- Yeah. I mean it's all, it's the

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- Way I look at it, - You know, it's

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- All because a RL is its own thing

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and get, I don't know, $450 million a year

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or something like that from grants?

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Yeah. Mostly military contracts. But

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- They, they do fall within the Penn State framework under

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the senior vice president research

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- On the research.

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Okay. Okay.

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Any other questions?

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And if not, like I said, DRA was approved

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and everything else that, that was a, that was a part

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of the process on that.

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I think you've gotten some information on that.

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We're looking for a motion for an approval

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for forwarding a letter of support

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with our, with our comments.

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You make that motion. Okay. And a second.

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Second, second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed?

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- I'm gonna have a stand. - I got it. I understand. Okay.

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Okay. Very good.

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- Let's see here. - All moves us to the next action item,

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which is Harris Township Chapter 11, subdivision

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and land development chapter 12, Zoning amendment.

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- Alright. So Harris Township will,

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has two amendments in front of us.

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First one we are going to cover is the amendment

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to the chapter 11.

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There's, they're proposing an amendment

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to require shade trees within New Street right

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of ways when certain conditions are meant.

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So under their current Ordinance,

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street trees are optional right now.

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They're also adopting the regional tree list by resolution.

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So that will be referenced.

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And since it is by resolution, it's I'd say more easily able

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to be updated as opposed to put it in your Ordinance.

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And as a reminder, that regional tree list, it was a

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regional effort by all the arborists that came together

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and identified what works here for us.

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And having that consistent list across all the Centre Region

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municipalities was the end goal for that one.

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So it's up to you chair on how you want to do this.

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Technically, these are two different amendments. Okay.

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They're both compliant.

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I can roll into the next one,

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or if you want action on this individual

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one and comments on this.

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And then another one

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- For clarity and transparency,

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why don't we just separate it Okay.

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And have two different, and then this way

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it's, it's noted that way.

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Yep. It's in the documents that way and Sure.

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There shouldn't be any questions afterwards.

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- All right. So for this one, yes we have reviewed it

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and it is consistent

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with the 2013 comprehensive plan update

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and we're recommending approval.

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- So again, the, the proposed motion that would come out

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of our organization would be a, a letter of support

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along with any comments.

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Is there any comments with regards to

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the Shape Tree requirements

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and using the list and everything else?

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We've, we've seen that before. Go ahead, bill.

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- The only comment I have, and,

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and it's almost as if it, it's the same comment regionwide

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as our tree planting process throughout the region,

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on, on, on right of ways and so on have progressed.

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We've had it around long enough so that a number

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of those trees are reading our, are meeting mid maturity,

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if not full maturity levels.

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And they are in some areas

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conflicting with streetlights in the sense of

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what the streetlight covers.

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And part of that is the relationship between

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streetlight standards and their height

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and mature tree standards

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and their eventual heights.

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Some of 'em have to do with proximity

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one's too close to the other.

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And in other cases it has to do with species choices.

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And, and a little more attention needs to be paid with that

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because as they mature, you're getting to the point where

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it's impacting on what I consider to be part

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of the safety,

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the safety senses of, of, of the streetlights

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at corners intersections. So

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- I'm gonna cut to the chase here.

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Are you specifically referring to past trees

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that have been put in, that weren't part

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of the Shade Tree requirements

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and the changes that the arborist made under this new study?

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Or are you talking about the new list?

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And if you are, be very specific about which trees you feel

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should not be on that list.

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- I'm not, I'm, I don't want to get in the weeds of, of

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- Species and - All that stuff,

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but I, I think, I think it's more

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of a general comment about the Ordinance

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and its wording itself so that the section

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of the Ordinance that talks about where streetlights go

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isn't in conflict with

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or having a eventual impact on, on trees

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and lighting and safety.

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I, I refer you to, and that's been the past.

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And I, I, as, as townships are

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updating it, I'm asking that they, they consider

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the relationship between trees

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and streetlights to dictate some

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of the planting locations

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because they're very specific at some point every 30 feet.

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- Well, when we discussed this in College Township,

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I'll just let you know that I was the first to turn around

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and I looked at the rest of our commission members

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and I said, is there anybody on our commission

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that is a tree expert or an arborist?

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And there was not a one.

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And therefore when we ask questions similar to that, we have

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to believe that when they did this survey

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and they did that, they were looking at some of the points

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that you had in there.

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If you want though, that can be included in our comments

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that it be reviewed again to look at it

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and say, Hey, if there's an issue with regards to conflicts

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with lighting and streetlights,

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that could be included in our letter of support.

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Or you can vote not to support it however you want to do it.

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- I guess I'm just concerned about the fact

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that in the past, because now these trees have major

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or gotten nearer maturity in the past, it didn't appear

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to me that anybody was paying attention.

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- They probably weren't - To that issue.

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And I don't need to be an arborist, Jeff.

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- So one of the things that's interesting in Burg is that

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some of this trees we're gonna lose some

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of our big trees on Main Street.

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'cause they think that they're very old.

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But you know, the Township inherited those trees.

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They did not plant them.

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They were planted a hundred years ago

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and they were, that was private property at the time.

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Mm. And those trees were part of private property

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and then the Township widened the street

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and took over property and now they own the trees

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and so they're responsible for it.

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So they're responsible for maintaining 'em, trimming 'em.

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Right. Cutting them down. Yeah.

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So it's just kind of historical perspective

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of an old town, what happened?

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Oh yeah. Well,

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- And and, and my sense is that in a town like Burg

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where we have heritage trees as part of our

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landscape on roads, I'm not talking about that,

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but I am talking about in the future,

519
00:27:17,233 --> 00:27:22,100
let's pay some more attention to the relationship between

520
00:27:23,033 --> 00:27:24,033
required streetlights.

521
00:27:25,133 --> 00:27:27,467
- Well that was, that was brought up in ours.

522
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,734
And that was part of what the,

523
00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:32,867
or the information they were seeking from the arborists,

524
00:27:33,266 --> 00:27:35,367
the tree specialists from that standpoint

525
00:27:35,834 --> 00:27:38,367
to make the proper recommendations as to

526
00:27:38,367 --> 00:27:40,467
what trees would be good street trees

527
00:27:41,166 --> 00:27:43,834
and wouldn't interfere such as what you're talking about.

528
00:27:44,467 --> 00:27:45,767
Are they perfect? I don't know.

529
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:48,133
I I, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be the first

530
00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:50,867
to throw my hands up and say I'm not an arborist

531
00:27:50,867 --> 00:27:51,934
and I'm not a tree specialist.

532
00:27:51,934 --> 00:27:53,734
So I couldn't, I couldn't argue their points

533
00:27:54,066 --> 00:27:55,000
- And, and I'm not either.

534
00:27:55,433 --> 00:27:58,634
All I'm saying is that somewhere there ought

535
00:27:58,634 --> 00:28:02,934
to be some wording if you're playing with this streetlight

536
00:28:02,934 --> 00:28:06,734
and tree Ordinance that alerts somebody

537
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:11,066
to review that issue.

538
00:28:11,033 --> 00:28:13,500
- Well this is, this is going more regional too, isn't it?

539
00:28:14,033 --> 00:28:16,133
- Well, list itself is,

540
00:28:16,333 --> 00:28:20,700
and the list doesn't specify, you must plant one

541
00:28:21,166 --> 00:28:24,367
large tree every 30 feet

542
00:28:24,667 --> 00:28:27,033
and two shrubs every five feet.

543
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:30,033
The tree list is just a species list

544
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:32,767
of all appropriate trees for a region.

545
00:28:34,133 --> 00:28:38,934
The choices on the size canopy, et cetera,

546
00:28:39,033 --> 00:28:40,567
that comes down to the individual

547
00:28:40,734 --> 00:28:42,300
ordinances at the municipality.

548
00:28:42,834 --> 00:28:45,066
- So each municipality has control of that. Yeah.

549
00:28:45,667 --> 00:28:49,133
- My recollection of Harris, well we did a lot

550
00:28:49,133 --> 00:28:54,033
of work on the landscaping Ordinance when I was working

551
00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:58,033
for Harris and it, it was more of a

552
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:02,734
pullback because the old Ordinance that they had,

553
00:29:02,734 --> 00:29:05,100
it was more of a reforestation Ordinance

554
00:29:05,266 --> 00:29:08,266
and it wasn't really resulting in successful

555
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:10,467
buffer plantings.

556
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:12,500
So,

557
00:29:13,066 --> 00:29:14,066
- Okay.

558
00:29:14,333 --> 00:29:17,834
- Well with that said, now is the opportunity,

559
00:29:17,867 --> 00:29:20,767
since we did separate this, is there support

560
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:24,100
within our group to send a letter of support

561
00:29:25,166 --> 00:29:26,734
to this Township with regards

562
00:29:26,734 --> 00:29:31,266
to their shade tree requirements changes with the fact

563
00:29:31,266 --> 00:29:33,100
that we could, if you want to plus

564
00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:36,567
or minus the comments that Bill just made with regards to

565
00:29:38,367 --> 00:29:41,567
possible and potential conflicts with street lighting?

566
00:29:42,634 --> 00:29:46,333
- Yeah, I support, I think what Bill said just makes sense

567
00:29:46,834 --> 00:29:49,834
that, and hopefully the town arborist is already

568
00:29:49,834 --> 00:29:51,000
paying attention to those issues.

569
00:29:52,133 --> 00:29:56,100
- Okay. So we have a motion

570
00:29:56,166 --> 00:29:58,934
to s send a support letter with those comments.

571
00:29:59,233 --> 00:30:04,033
Do we have a second? Second, second. I'm fine.

572
00:30:04,166 --> 00:30:07,734
Okay. All in favor say aye. A Aye. Aye. Opposed?

573
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:11,233
Okay, very good.

574
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:13,300
Moves us to the second part of that,

575
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:14,734
which is the developmental notice

576
00:30:14,734 --> 00:30:16,834
requirements, signed requirements. Yes.

577
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:20,467
- So this is an amendment to chapter 11, their seldom

578
00:30:20,467 --> 00:30:22,634
and chapter 12, their Zoning Ordinance.

579
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:25,834
So Harris Township, they're proposing an amendment

580
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:27,033
to add requirements

581
00:30:27,033 --> 00:30:30,000
to these ordinances directing developers post development

582
00:30:30,133 --> 00:30:33,033
signs when the developments are proposed.

583
00:30:34,367 --> 00:30:37,533
I believe there's recent infill project, it kind

584
00:30:37,533 --> 00:30:39,100
of scared a lot of the neighbors.

585
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:44,066
And Harris, I, I know the Borough has requirements,

586
00:30:44,367 --> 00:30:46,066
Ferguson has requirements, patent does,

587
00:30:46,367 --> 00:30:48,500
typically when you get a land development plan,

588
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:51,500
subdivision plan, something like that submitted,

589
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:53,867
you are required to post that property.

590
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,100
Harris never had those regulations in place

591
00:30:56,333 --> 00:30:59,367
and now they are updating their Ordinance to include

592
00:30:59,367 --> 00:31:02,000
that requirement for the applicant

593
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:04,066
to do that for public notice.

594
00:31:04,266 --> 00:31:06,233
So neighbors understand what's going on.

595
00:31:06,867 --> 00:31:09,100
- Okay. Questions, concerns?

596
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:20,166
Okay. Is there a motion to send a letter of support?

597
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,300
- So motion. - Okay. Do we have a second? We have a second.

598
00:31:28,467 --> 00:31:32,734
All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right.

599
00:31:34,367 --> 00:31:36,900
- He's from Harris. What's that?

600
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:39,033
Can you make the motion if you're from Harris?

601
00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:45,066
- Okay, next item on the action agenda item is the State

602
00:31:45,066 --> 00:31:49,767
College Borough, chapter 19, part D, Zoning

603
00:31:49,934 --> 00:31:51,634
and land development and Ordinance amendment

604
00:31:52,667 --> 00:31:54,300
to modify the maximum height

605
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:57,100
of structures in a general commercial Zoning

606
00:31:57,634 --> 00:31:58,834
district. Yes, Jenna?

607
00:31:59,233 --> 00:32:03,767
- So the Borough has received an application from Prime Core

608
00:32:03,934 --> 00:32:08,166
for the property at one 20 East Beaver Avenue, also known

609
00:32:08,166 --> 00:32:11,433
as Addison Court as more familiar to most,

610
00:32:12,367 --> 00:32:15,767
so currently within 200 feet of the 200 blocks.

611
00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:18,100
South Allen Street height is capped at four

612
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:19,667
stories or four, five feet.

613
00:32:20,033 --> 00:32:22,834
Even though in that sea district

614
00:32:23,533 --> 00:32:26,100
you pretty much have an underlying height

615
00:32:26,133 --> 00:32:28,567
of 65 feet as permitted.

616
00:32:29,634 --> 00:32:33,033
The proposal submitted by that applicant is to reduce

617
00:32:33,033 --> 00:32:36,900
that buffer of that 200 foot down to a hundred feet.

618
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,500
And I have a visual shortly

619
00:32:38,867 --> 00:32:40,367
to explain this a little bit better.

620
00:32:41,567 --> 00:32:46,100
So the effect, it's almost a step back effect in many ways.

621
00:32:47,433 --> 00:32:48,467
So the visual here,

622
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:51,266
and this is what we're kind of working with.

623
00:32:51,734 --> 00:32:54,500
So Addison Court, it's a preexisting non-conforming

624
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:56,533
building for height.

625
00:32:58,066 --> 00:33:01,634
So it is taller than the current 65 foot cap,

626
00:33:03,033 --> 00:33:07,066
but really the 200 foot for

627
00:33:07,066 --> 00:33:10,033
that 45 foot cap pretty much includes both Addison Court

628
00:33:10,367 --> 00:33:11,634
and the Schlow Library.

629
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:16,834
The applicant is proposing to change that pretty much

630
00:33:16,934 --> 00:33:18,834
to only be applicable to slow.

631
00:33:19,233 --> 00:33:23,033
So they have the ability when they redevelop Addison Court

632
00:33:23,567 --> 00:33:28,033
to build the entire building 2 65 feet in height.

633
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:32,834
I, I believe we have Dan here as well to confirm and deny

634
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,100
and explain to me this,

635
00:33:34,166 --> 00:33:38,834
but in essence it would just be applicable to the length of

636
00:33:38,834 --> 00:33:40,634
where the Schlow Library building is.

637
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,700
So a little history on this property,

638
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:44,033
it was originally developed through

639
00:33:45,867 --> 00:33:47,300
the federal government low income

640
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:48,767
housing tax credit program.

641
00:33:50,066 --> 00:33:53,033
And that established an affordability period for the unit.

642
00:33:53,166 --> 00:33:56,467
So as in courts, an 89 unit lie tech apartment building.

643
00:33:57,133 --> 00:33:58,500
And that started in 94

644
00:33:59,467 --> 00:34:04,467
and the occupancy is restricted to persons 62

645
00:34:04,634 --> 00:34:07,033
and older and with disability

646
00:34:07,467 --> 00:34:10,133
and in that affordability range as well.

647
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,133
These units,

648
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,867
the Borough has received a land development plan submitted

649
00:34:17,867 --> 00:34:20,066
that was in December of 25.

650
00:34:22,567 --> 00:34:24,734
They, I would say staff is assuming

651
00:34:24,834 --> 00:34:27,266
that if this Ordinance amendment is granted,

652
00:34:27,934 --> 00:34:30,333
the applicant will resubmit the land development plan

653
00:34:30,367 --> 00:34:32,934
to comply with this new height allowance.

654
00:34:34,734 --> 00:34:37,634
The Land development plan does propose market rate student

655
00:34:37,634 --> 00:34:39,066
housing units

656
00:34:39,667 --> 00:34:41,367
and it will include inclusionary

657
00:34:41,367 --> 00:34:42,934
units in the building as well.

658
00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:46,033
Both Borough planning staff

659
00:34:46,133 --> 00:34:49,333
and Borough Planning Commission recommended against granting

660
00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:52,100
the text amendment Borough Council

661
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,500
nonetheless elected to proceed with Public Hearing

662
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:55,767
and county review.

663
00:34:55,767 --> 00:34:59,300
That's why we're looking at this as well, the primary basis

664
00:34:59,634 --> 00:35:04,100
for opposing this amendment throughout the comprehensive

665
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:06,000
Zoning and SDO rewrite

666
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,066
that they've been working on for many years.

667
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:12,000
Overall, I would say

668
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,533
that the Borough has maintained this idea

669
00:35:14,867 --> 00:35:18,333
of the historic town area where they do not want

670
00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:19,934
to permit a lot of height.

671
00:35:20,233 --> 00:35:24,266
So that's why you will see pretty much the core Allen Street

672
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:28,033
and maybe two plus blocks coming up from there.

673
00:35:28,133 --> 00:35:31,000
Beaver College, they're typically lower buildings.

674
00:35:31,133 --> 00:35:33,567
So then you see the student housing development coming up

675
00:35:33,567 --> 00:35:36,000
around on the outer edges of town

676
00:35:36,266 --> 00:35:39,567
and it's to maintain that historic fabric of town.

677
00:35:40,266 --> 00:35:44,333
And essentially this amendment would not align

678
00:35:44,367 --> 00:35:48,834
with the current draft Ordinance that they are reviewing

679
00:35:49,066 --> 00:35:52,467
that is not yet adopted by allowing this type

680
00:35:52,467 --> 00:35:56,300
of height in this area and dance here.

681
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:00,133
- Okay. First of all, welcome Dan. Thank you.

682
00:36:00,266 --> 00:36:01,533
Glad you're here. Pleasure.

683
00:36:01,567 --> 00:36:03,467
You may not be, but yeah, we're glad you're here

684
00:36:05,133 --> 00:36:08,100
at this point in time, are there any questions with regards

685
00:36:08,467 --> 00:36:09,767
to what was just presented?

686
00:36:13,667 --> 00:36:15,066
Go ahead, Tim. Actual

687
00:36:15,367 --> 00:36:16,567
- Question, I thought within the last week

688
00:36:16,567 --> 00:36:18,000
or so, the CDT reported

689
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,500
that the Borough purchase status in court, or did I misread

690
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:21,500
- That?

691
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:23,567
Yeah, I'm, I'm happy to provide a little additional context

692
00:36:23,667 --> 00:36:26,100
because yes, that well and

693
00:36:26,734 --> 00:36:28,500
- Follow up then if so, is this, is this,

694
00:36:29,066 --> 00:36:30,066
- It's still on the table.

695
00:36:30,066 --> 00:36:31,767
Hasn't hasn't been officially withdrawn yet, but yes.

696
00:36:32,266 --> 00:36:37,033
The August 31st council meeting council approved a motion

697
00:36:37,166 --> 00:36:41,767
to enter into an agreement with Prime Core to essentially

698
00:36:42,834 --> 00:36:45,367
have the workings of an agreement to purchase the Borough,

699
00:36:45,433 --> 00:36:47,066
to purchase the building and then lease it back

700
00:36:47,066 --> 00:36:51,533
to Prime Core while pursuing the y tech tax credits to

701
00:36:52,133 --> 00:36:54,533
ultimately preserve the building

702
00:36:54,567 --> 00:36:55,867
as an affordable housing project.

703
00:36:56,367 --> 00:36:59,734
So there's, there's a lot of additional steps there, a lot

704
00:36:59,734 --> 00:37:01,133
of ifs, a lot of things that need to fall into place.

705
00:37:01,266 --> 00:37:05,767
But something that if, if you were to go back

706
00:37:05,767 --> 00:37:08,533
and watch the June planning commission presentation,

707
00:37:10,133 --> 00:37:11,934
the representative, excuse me,

708
00:37:11,934 --> 00:37:14,033
representative from Prime Core essentially said

709
00:37:14,033 --> 00:37:16,266
that they were still seeking the, the tax amendment,

710
00:37:16,333 --> 00:37:19,734
even though they were also pursuing the Lex

711
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,467
Litech tax credits as well.

712
00:37:21,567 --> 00:37:24,100
And, and part of that was in the event that the

713
00:37:25,133 --> 00:37:27,533
tax credit application is not successful,

714
00:37:27,634 --> 00:37:29,533
then essentially there's, there's a fallback plan

715
00:37:29,533 --> 00:37:31,000
that they could still pursue. Okay.

716
00:37:31,266 --> 00:37:33,467
- So - Yes, lots of lots

717
00:37:33,467 --> 00:37:36,133
of changing situation on the ground.

718
00:37:39,066 --> 00:37:41,266
- Okay. Other questions, thoughts?

719
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:44,033
Why you wanna buy Addison Court?

720
00:37:46,066 --> 00:37:49,133
I hear it's half empty, it needs extensive remodeling.

721
00:37:51,667 --> 00:37:53,033
No developer would want it.

722
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:59,233
- That's - So you're gonna basically Borough money

723
00:37:59,266 --> 00:38:00,734
and put it into a sinkhole.

724
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:07,133
Wow. Where was the question? Dan?

725
00:38:07,767 --> 00:38:11,000
Welcome to our meeting again. Yeah, I

726
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,300
- I would, I would perhaps direct you towards the,

727
00:38:15,667 --> 00:38:18,100
the CNET recordings for the recent council meetings.

728
00:38:20,133 --> 00:38:22,033
Yeah, there is. I would say that there was,

729
00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:25,533
there was very strong turnout

730
00:38:25,934 --> 00:38:28,100
to the planning commission meetings, the council meetings.

731
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:30,100
There was, there was a lot of clamoring to,

732
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,266
to preserve Addison Court.

733
00:38:33,266 --> 00:38:34,467
I, I think, I don't really have

734
00:38:34,467 --> 00:38:35,700
to go into the, the, the details.

735
00:38:35,934 --> 00:38:38,033
I think having affordable housing in the heart

736
00:38:38,033 --> 00:38:40,000
of downtown State College is,

737
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:42,000
is not something the market's gonna build on its own.

738
00:38:42,166 --> 00:38:45,333
So we're basically, this is kind of

739
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:47,033
where things have landed so far.

740
00:38:47,333 --> 00:38:51,767
- So you can't find anybody to buy it the way it exists.

741
00:38:53,734 --> 00:38:54,867
- Me, I haven't been looking.

742
00:38:55,066 --> 00:38:57,133
- Well, I'm just saying there's no other bid out there

743
00:38:57,367 --> 00:38:59,300
for the way it exists now.

744
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:02,100
There's no free enterprise market guy going,

745
00:39:02,433 --> 00:39:05,734
I'm gonna buy Edison Court and keep it as affordable housing

746
00:39:05,834 --> 00:39:07,533
and I'm gonna pay this amount of money for it

747
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:11,500
and it'll be a really good business move on my part.

748
00:39:12,133 --> 00:39:14,634
- Well I, you know, yeah, I'm, I mean I'm not privy

749
00:39:14,634 --> 00:39:17,066
to all the, all the, the conversations that have been had,

750
00:39:17,066 --> 00:39:20,934
but my, my understanding is that the, the the with the plan

751
00:39:20,934 --> 00:39:22,533
that's, that's currently being pursued,

752
00:39:22,667 --> 00:39:25,033
that the current building would, would be rehabilitated

753
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:29,066
and then ideally it would be, I am,

754
00:39:29,166 --> 00:39:31,367
I'm a little foggy on all the specifics of Litech,

755
00:39:31,467 --> 00:39:34,100
so if I speak outta turn, hopefully I'll get corrected.

756
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,767
But my understanding is the, the original

757
00:39:36,734 --> 00:39:38,700
affordability term was 30 years.

758
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,100
I think with this new tax credit application,

759
00:39:43,166 --> 00:39:46,100
it would then go into like a 40 year affordability period.

760
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,266
I, I believe believe that's the updated term.

761
00:39:48,767 --> 00:39:50,066
It's not 40, but, so with

762
00:39:50,066 --> 00:39:52,700
- The line tech developer is interested

763
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:53,700
- In doing it.

764
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:56,066
There is a developer that is willing rehab,

765
00:39:56,634 --> 00:39:57,634
- They get the tax credit.

766
00:39:57,834 --> 00:39:58,934
- In this case it's prime court,

767
00:39:58,934 --> 00:40:01,066
it's the same applicant seeking the tax amendment.

768
00:40:01,166 --> 00:40:02,266
They, they're the ones

769
00:40:02,266 --> 00:40:03,467
that would be entering into the agreement

770
00:40:03,467 --> 00:40:04,834
with the Borough to, to do this.

771
00:40:06,667 --> 00:40:10,100
- Okay. - Okay.

772
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:15,834
- Bill, my initial sense of all

773
00:40:15,834 --> 00:40:20,367
of this is from an outsider looking

774
00:40:20,734 --> 00:40:25,100
in the Addison court issue is one

775
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:26,500
of those huggable issues.

776
00:40:27,634 --> 00:40:31,500
In other words, you know, it, looking at the nuts

777
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:35,634
and bolts, the, the, the, the financing, the realities

778
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,066
has not been a part of the discussion.

779
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:43,367
Probably because the community

780
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:48,100
has overwhelmingly in my mind, outspoken

781
00:40:48,166 --> 00:40:53,033
or spoken about re keeping this property.

782
00:40:53,634 --> 00:40:58,033
But I'm going to indicate that at the moment I'm against

783
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:03,533
this request being made until

784
00:41:04,634 --> 00:41:07,500
and wait until the,

785
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:11,133
the Addison Court future

786
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:14,033
has been determined.

787
00:41:16,133 --> 00:41:19,634
I think this is is a, a premature kind of thing.

788
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:22,467
I don't know whether the borough's gonna end up buying it

789
00:41:22,467 --> 00:41:26,700
or not, but I, I would prefer that

790
00:41:27,834 --> 00:41:31,066
we know what the future of that building is going to be

791
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,767
before we make some Zoning changes

792
00:41:37,233 --> 00:41:40,066
in this case height, height changes in that area.

793
00:41:41,133 --> 00:41:44,700
That's my sense at this point in terms of

794
00:41:46,066 --> 00:41:48,634
I would be voting against this request.

795
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:54,000
- Other thoughts on that from other members?

796
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,634
- Yeah, I have a thought. I I I was reading the,

797
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:00,500
the small front and it seems like planning

798
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:01,700
commission is against this.

799
00:42:03,133 --> 00:42:04,767
The Borough council overruled.

800
00:42:04,767 --> 00:42:06,333
Said no, let, let's put it to vote.

801
00:42:06,934 --> 00:42:08,634
So it sounds like it's an eternal issue.

802
00:42:08,634 --> 00:42:10,533
Like I don't know why we need to be weighing in.

803
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:12,867
I'm a Borough resident. I I've been part

804
00:42:12,867 --> 00:42:14,300
of the Z RAC rezoning committee

805
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:18,066
and building heights is a very contentious issue in the

806
00:42:18,133 --> 00:42:22,333
Borough and why, why is it coming to us?

807
00:42:22,767 --> 00:42:26,066
It's like, it seems like their whole house is not in order

808
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:30,834
and I don't really realize why we have standing here.

809
00:42:33,767 --> 00:42:36,500
- Okay. - I appreciate you saying that.

810
00:42:36,634 --> 00:42:38,333
'cause I've been trying to figure out is a resident halfway

811
00:42:38,367 --> 00:42:41,066
Township, why am I being asked

812
00:42:41,066 --> 00:42:42,934
to give feedback on this proposal?

813
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:47,100
- Well, any amendments too Zoning marcalo for any

814
00:42:47,233 --> 00:42:50,467
of these six State College municipalities that is

815
00:42:51,066 --> 00:42:55,467
this committee role or commission's role content on those

816
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:58,734
- To bill's point, and again, I'm not a developer,

817
00:42:58,867 --> 00:43:00,333
but like if we grant this,

818
00:43:00,533 --> 00:43:03,834
then the land becomes more valuable.

819
00:43:04,133 --> 00:43:06,266
Absolutely. You get more density. Absolutely.

820
00:43:06,367 --> 00:43:09,533
And so as the developer doing that in the wheeling

821
00:43:09,533 --> 00:43:11,734
and dealing to the Borough, I kind of like bill's point,

822
00:43:11,734 --> 00:43:14,934
like let's table this until things are sorted out

823
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:18,000
between the, the purchase if the

824
00:43:18,066 --> 00:43:19,100
borough's gonna purchase this or not.

825
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:24,133
- Okay. Is - It more density

826
00:43:24,033 --> 00:43:26,100
or is it just keeping it as dense

827
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:28,667
as it has been even though it's out of current zone?

828
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:33,667
It would depend how bad of shape if it is in, like,

829
00:43:33,667 --> 00:43:35,100
if it is just rehab,

830
00:43:35,367 --> 00:43:39,133
it's already taller than your 65 foot permitted.

831
00:43:39,133 --> 00:43:42,000
But if you're talking demo, we're building a new building,

832
00:43:42,033 --> 00:43:46,166
they're gonna lose two stories to meet current regulations.

833
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:48,567
- Right. But the value

834
00:43:48,567 --> 00:43:51,567
of the property is based on development potential regardless

835
00:43:51,567 --> 00:43:53,567
whether they do the development or not.

836
00:43:59,867 --> 00:44:01,900
- Okay. Commission thoughts.

837
00:44:03,567 --> 00:44:05,000
I mean one of the things we can do,

838
00:44:05,133 --> 00:44:06,767
there's, we can go two routes.

839
00:44:06,934 --> 00:44:11,066
One, They're still gonna be working on things

840
00:44:11,133 --> 00:44:12,900
and they're still gonna be pursuing things

841
00:44:13,834 --> 00:44:15,433
whether we send a letter of support

842
00:44:15,433 --> 00:44:17,133
or not at this point in time.

843
00:44:19,033 --> 00:44:22,634
So if we send a letter, a, a letter of support saying yeah,

844
00:44:22,667 --> 00:44:26,100
we support it and we were, we're gonna have the belief

845
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,767
that somebody's gonna do things in, in good conscience

846
00:44:28,767 --> 00:44:30,367
and due diligence and everything else

847
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:33,133
and the proper decisions that could happen.

848
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,700
We can also indicate that

849
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:38,500
after our discussion at this time

850
00:44:40,467 --> 00:44:44,033
the CRPC does not feel like they could support

851
00:44:45,433 --> 00:44:48,000
without certain things.

852
00:44:48,133 --> 00:44:51,567
Whether the identification as to what's exactly gonna happen

853
00:44:51,634 --> 00:44:52,767
to this building or not.

854
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,066
We, we can put those constraints in there

855
00:44:55,066 --> 00:44:57,700
and explain why we're not supporting it.

856
00:44:58,567 --> 00:45:00,300
And that would be my recommendation.

857
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:02,033
'cause it appears that there's several people

858
00:45:02,033 --> 00:45:03,333
that are looking at questioning

859
00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:06,266
and saying that, well then let's say

860
00:45:08,333 --> 00:45:11,767
we don't support this at this time from the CRPC standpoint

861
00:45:12,834 --> 00:45:14,533
and here's three things or two things,

862
00:45:14,567 --> 00:45:15,734
or here's a couple things

863
00:45:15,734 --> 00:45:18,266
that we feel should be addressed prior

864
00:45:18,266 --> 00:45:19,500
to it coming back to us.

865
00:45:20,934 --> 00:45:25,667
Does that make sense? Yes. Do we agree with that?

866
00:45:26,033 --> 00:45:28,367
I can, yeah. I can't support it. Okay.

867
00:45:28,734 --> 00:45:31,500
- I can offer a - Bill, you're up

868
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,700
- The Centre Region Planning Commission

869
00:45:36,667 --> 00:45:39,133
recommend against granting the request

870
00:45:39,266 --> 00:45:41,300
until the future long-term status

871
00:45:41,767 --> 00:45:44,300
of Addison Court has been determined.

872
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,367
- Is there anything else that should be added to that?

873
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:52,033
Cons in constraints?

874
00:45:52,233 --> 00:45:54,033
I thought there was something else we had in there.

875
00:45:56,266 --> 00:45:58,133
I don't think it should, the building should get any bigger.

876
00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:03,133
I don't. Okay. We don't

877
00:46:03,133 --> 00:46:04,667
support a change the building height.

878
00:46:05,033 --> 00:46:06,867
I don't think it should change the building height. Okay.

879
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,367
Not in that section of town. No.

880
00:46:08,867 --> 00:46:10,233
Let's be transparent so

881
00:46:10,233 --> 00:46:12,133
that this way they know, hey, guess what?

882
00:46:12,867 --> 00:46:16,367
And they're still gonna have the ability to do kind of

883
00:46:16,367 --> 00:46:17,467
what they want at some point in time.

884
00:46:17,467 --> 00:46:19,033
They're gonna force things through. Yeah.

885
00:46:19,066 --> 00:46:21,867
But at least they're gonna realize that guess what?

886
00:46:22,567 --> 00:46:24,500
There were some people that gave us some thought

887
00:46:24,634 --> 00:46:29,066
and did, did weren't in line with what your line

888
00:46:29,066 --> 00:46:30,467
of thinking was when you did this.

889
00:46:30,467 --> 00:46:32,667
Well part of that, my opinion was

890
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:37,133
that I do not believe it is fully teed at this time period.

891
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:39,367
You know, so why are we making it bigger?

892
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,166
- Well I think the point was originally

893
00:46:43,033 --> 00:46:44,767
the developer was gonna demolish the building

894
00:46:44,834 --> 00:46:46,533
and build student housing and he

895
00:46:46,533 --> 00:46:47,700
wants to build a taller building.

896
00:46:47,734 --> 00:46:50,767
Right. It's not that they're gonna put an ad on top

897
00:46:50,767 --> 00:46:51,934
- Of the existing No, they can't.

898
00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:53,166
Right. They have to knock it down. Yeah.

899
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,033
- Well if they're knocking this building down right now,

900
00:46:56,066 --> 00:46:58,033
it will at least be two stories shorter.

901
00:46:58,266 --> 00:47:01,166
Right now it is taller than what is permitted at the

902
00:47:01,166 --> 00:47:02,166
- Zoning district.

903
00:47:02,166 --> 00:47:03,066
Right. Just to clarify, since they're,

904
00:47:03,367 --> 00:47:05,533
since they'll be putting inclusionary housing units in,

905
00:47:05,767 --> 00:47:06,667
- They would get, oh, they will get the height,

906
00:47:06,734 --> 00:47:07,133
they would get

907
00:47:07,133 --> 00:47:08,533
- An additional story from - That.

908
00:47:08,567 --> 00:47:11,133
So, so what, what, what way is the best way to word this

909
00:47:11,133 --> 00:47:13,266
where we want it to stay?

910
00:47:14,066 --> 00:47:16,934
Basically what the height and size is

911
00:47:17,767 --> 00:47:20,700
and be renovated, which it can be

912
00:47:22,834 --> 00:47:24,533
that would that that to me would be the,

913
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:26,133
what I would be pushing for.

914
00:47:28,433 --> 00:47:30,000
- I don't think you're gonna find a development

915
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,467
that's gonna want run that, but that money into it,

916
00:47:32,934 --> 00:47:34,300
- Honest, - I mean with all due respect,

917
00:47:34,467 --> 00:47:36,033
I don't know if I agreed with your point

918
00:47:36,033 --> 00:47:38,000
like about the height. Like

919
00:47:38,834 --> 00:47:40,000
- We can have that debate later,

920
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,567
- But to me, like I don't even want

921
00:47:41,567 --> 00:47:43,000
to have that debate yet because

922
00:47:43,367 --> 00:47:44,266
- They haven't made up their

923
00:47:44,266 --> 00:47:45,333
mind whether they're gonna buy it or not.

924
00:47:45,533 --> 00:47:46,533
Right.

925
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,767
- I understand that. - I think there's a lot

926
00:47:49,767 --> 00:47:52,734
of time available and the Borough is working on that draft

927
00:47:53,266 --> 00:47:54,333
Zoning Ordinance,

928
00:47:54,433 --> 00:47:57,533
that comprehensive update which is not aligned

929
00:47:57,634 --> 00:48:02,000
with this amendment and they're still working out.

930
00:48:02,266 --> 00:48:04,033
The Borough is gonna buy it or not.

931
00:48:05,133 --> 00:48:08,300
And maybe whatever they want that area to be,

932
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:10,867
they address it in the draft Zoning Ordinance.

933
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:14,033
I think it's supposed to be adopted by the end of the year.

934
00:48:14,567 --> 00:48:16,066
- I'm not gonna speak to that. Right.

935
00:48:18,066 --> 00:48:20,367
But exactly to your point, the reason that

936
00:48:21,066 --> 00:48:23,867
both staff recommended against the tax amendment

937
00:48:23,934 --> 00:48:26,100
and planning com to speak on behalf

938
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,634
of planning commission at my own peril, I believe the least,

939
00:48:29,634 --> 00:48:31,033
and they also voted against it was

940
00:48:31,033 --> 00:48:35,533
because there was a deliberate recognition that there needed

941
00:48:35,667 --> 00:48:37,700
to, we needed to separate these two questions,

942
00:48:37,767 --> 00:48:39,300
both like future Madison in court,

943
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:41,000
but then also this text amendment kind

944
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,300
of weighed on its own merits.

945
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:45,033
And having heard from council

946
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:47,500
in discussions about the new Zoning Ordinance

947
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:51,000
that they wanted to maintain lower heights, this,

948
00:48:51,066 --> 00:48:55,767
this text amendment seemed to be indirect kind

949
00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:57,033
of conflict with that intent.

950
00:48:57,066 --> 00:48:58,133
So that was really the rationale.

951
00:48:59,934 --> 00:49:01,834
- So what I've heard so far is that

952
00:49:02,734 --> 00:49:04,100
that future long-term status

953
00:49:04,133 --> 00:49:08,300
of Addison court should be determined before we can support

954
00:49:08,634 --> 00:49:11,734
and that there is not support for the building height in

955
00:49:11,734 --> 00:49:14,066
that section of town getting higher. Well

956
00:49:14,066 --> 00:49:16,233
- I don't, I'm an asterisk on that.

957
00:49:16,567 --> 00:49:18,033
I don't agree with that last piece.

958
00:49:18,333 --> 00:49:20,867
- So, you know, that's what I didn't know that was the one

959
00:49:20,867 --> 00:49:22,133
that, right.

960
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:24,533
What is the plan? That's what Jeff said.

961
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:26,033
So what is the majority?

962
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,100
- Well, and I kind of like what was just said in terms of

963
00:49:30,934 --> 00:49:35,033
there are really two different issues here and,

964
00:49:35,166 --> 00:49:39,266
and that's why I guess I started my comments

965
00:49:39,533 --> 00:49:40,567
with the huggable one.

966
00:49:41,734 --> 00:49:43,934
There's the huggable issue and,

967
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:46,500
and what should happen in this location.

968
00:49:47,133 --> 00:49:51,333
And then there's the, the building height, Zoning issue

969
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:54,033
with regard to the Borough.

970
00:49:54,834 --> 00:49:59,500
And, and I think, you know,

971
00:50:03,934 --> 00:50:07,700
I think that the huggable issue has to be resolved first

972
00:50:09,133 --> 00:50:11,300
in order for them us to look at

973
00:50:11,367 --> 00:50:14,033
or the Borough to look at if they want to change

974
00:50:14,867 --> 00:50:18,100
their height restrictions

975
00:50:18,133 --> 00:50:19,867
or height requirements

976
00:50:20,834 --> 00:50:23,834
for the, for the

977
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,033
building. Jeff,

978
00:50:27,166 --> 00:50:28,166
- Who owns this building?

979
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:31,033
- Prime court. Prime - The development.

980
00:50:31,033 --> 00:50:33,266
So Prime Court wants to do this

981
00:50:34,133 --> 00:50:36,100
and they want you to buy it for a certain amount of money,

982
00:50:36,467 --> 00:50:39,266
but it's not rent, it's not renting to that amount of money.

983
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:41,300
And so they'd like it to build higher

984
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:42,867
because then they have a piece of property

985
00:50:42,867 --> 00:50:45,734
that is worth a lot more money and they can build higher

986
00:50:45,734 --> 00:50:46,767
and knock the building down.

987
00:50:47,567 --> 00:50:51,300
It sounds like they, if they need to sell it, they need

988
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:54,000
to lower their price so they can get the renovations done

989
00:50:54,834 --> 00:50:57,100
and hopefully then it, it would rent.

990
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:00,533
- Well what I, what I can say is based on the

991
00:51:01,166 --> 00:51:03,700
August 31st council meeting, the, the agreement

992
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,100
that's currently being pursued is for the Borough to buy it

993
00:51:07,033 --> 00:51:11,233
for 15,750,000.

994
00:51:11,233 --> 00:51:15,000
So there's already basically an agreement

995
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,634
that's being pursued there. So there, there's,

996
00:51:16,634 --> 00:51:18,233
- There's And can they renovate it for that amount of money?

997
00:51:18,834 --> 00:51:22,834
- My, again, without knowing the full, full workings of,

998
00:51:22,867 --> 00:51:24,867
of the agreement, but my understanding is that

999
00:51:25,033 --> 00:51:27,066
that would entail, rehabilitation

1000
00:51:28,367 --> 00:51:29,934
Borough would lease it back.

1001
00:51:30,133 --> 00:51:34,066
So Prime Core would then manage the building again,

1002
00:51:34,066 --> 00:51:36,467
presumably for the, for the full period.

1003
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:39,367
The full term. And I'm sure there's a lot

1004
00:51:39,367 --> 00:51:41,133
of legalese in there too, which again,

1005
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:42,700
I can't speak to, but,

1006
00:51:46,266 --> 00:51:50,033
- So maybe the response is that we need,

1007
00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:51,634
there can't support

1008
00:51:52,066 --> 00:51:55,834
because the future long-term status needs to be determined

1009
00:51:55,834 --> 00:51:59,734
of Addison court before we look at the height requirement

1010
00:51:59,734 --> 00:52:04,700
requests or you take a stance.

1011
00:52:04,767 --> 00:52:07,233
Yeah, well we know where Neil and Jeff are, but that's,

1012
00:52:07,667 --> 00:52:11,000
- Yeah, I look at the, the, the Borough is, is also,

1013
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:16,100
you know, 95% hopefully finished

1014
00:52:16,266 --> 00:52:20,000
with their whole rezoning effort.

1015
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:25,066
It's been a long, long time coming and,

1016
00:52:25,433 --> 00:52:28,133
and I feel that that I want

1017
00:52:28,867 --> 00:52:33,834
that rezoning in the furrow to kind of dictate where,

1018
00:52:33,934 --> 00:52:35,367
where the future of this

1019
00:52:35,567 --> 00:52:40,266
or something else is gonna be rather than, I,

1020
00:52:40,467 --> 00:52:43,934
I hate to say at the last minute, but at the end

1021
00:52:44,133 --> 00:52:49,033
or near the end of the rezoning process to, to

1022
00:52:50,066 --> 00:52:53,300
make some, some changes that may be contrary to

1023
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:58,266
the new Zoning design

1024
00:52:58,667 --> 00:53:00,533
and adoption that they have in mind.

1025
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,333
So I think there are a couple of reasons

1026
00:53:07,634 --> 00:53:09,266
for not supporting that.

1027
00:53:09,734 --> 00:53:14,367
And, and one of 'em could be that, that it needs

1028
00:53:14,433 --> 00:53:19,233
to be in compliance with the new, the the the,

1029
00:53:19,634 --> 00:53:20,867
they can always change the draft.

1030
00:53:22,033 --> 00:53:23,934
They can always change the draft. Oh

1031
00:53:23,934 --> 00:53:25,066
- Yeah. Right. This is advisory.

1032
00:53:25,433 --> 00:53:26,767
- So it's just, you know,

1033
00:53:27,233 --> 00:53:31,100
but we could also include in there that we would like

1034
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:35,033
to see consistency that when the final draft comes out,

1035
00:53:35,767 --> 00:53:38,300
that whatever they propose is consistent with

1036
00:53:38,433 --> 00:53:41,033
what their draft says it's gonna have.

1037
00:53:42,066 --> 00:53:46,066
So if there's agreement with the communication

1038
00:53:47,033 --> 00:53:48,834
that we're talking about, sending them

1039
00:53:49,166 --> 00:53:51,033
that we're not in support at this time,

1040
00:53:53,634 --> 00:53:56,066
we can take a motion on that from that standpoint.

1041
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:59,000
That this is where we're at. We're not supporting it

1042
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:05,000
- Because of not having the long-term status

1043
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,367
of Addison court determined

1044
00:54:07,033 --> 00:54:10,066
and that we believe it should be consistent

1045
00:54:10,066 --> 00:54:11,066
with the new Zoning.

1046
00:54:12,066 --> 00:54:15,500
Yeah. That way we're not saying what the height should be,

1047
00:54:15,533 --> 00:54:17,000
we're just saying it should be consistent.

1048
00:54:17,133 --> 00:54:18,300
Right. Yep.

1049
00:54:19,367 --> 00:54:20,367
- I would agree with that. Yeah.

1050
00:54:20,367 --> 00:54:21,367
- I buy, I buy that

1051
00:54:22,266 --> 00:54:24,734
- Feeling a little bit lost here if I understand

1052
00:54:24,834 --> 00:54:26,934
what you're saying or what we've been saying is

1053
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:30,533
that the height restriction only applies if the building is

1054
00:54:30,533 --> 00:54:32,333
demolished and a new building is built that

1055
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,033
if it's simply rehabbed,

1056
00:54:34,033 --> 00:54:35,500
it's grandfathered and the old thing.

1057
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:39,233
And so the, the only way that this Ordinance is,

1058
00:54:39,266 --> 00:54:42,300
or the only situation this Ordinance is relevant is if the

1059
00:54:42,467 --> 00:54:44,333
building is demolished and a new building is built.

1060
00:54:44,834 --> 00:54:48,100
If, if what you're saying is the Borough buy, lease it back

1061
00:54:48,133 --> 00:54:50,066
and the existing building would be renovated,

1062
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:52,567
there's absolutely no reason to do this at all.

1063
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:55,700
But whereas doing this creates the opportunity for

1064
00:54:56,567 --> 00:54:58,100
the building to be demolished.

1065
00:54:59,367 --> 00:55:00,634
Right. If you don't, do I

1066
00:55:00,634 --> 00:55:01,767
understand that correctly. Yeah. If

1067
00:55:01,767 --> 00:55:03,367
- You don't come up - With the money, the building will

1068
00:55:03,367 --> 00:55:04,367
- Be gone.

1069
00:55:04,367 --> 00:55:07,100
Yeah. And actually to go into a little bit more detail,

1070
00:55:07,133 --> 00:55:08,934
so they've submitted a land development plan

1071
00:55:09,467 --> 00:55:11,367
under the existing Ordinance and,

1072
00:55:11,634 --> 00:55:13,634
and again they're, they are petitioned

1073
00:55:13,634 --> 00:55:15,533
to get the text amendment so that they would be able

1074
00:55:15,533 --> 00:55:17,934
to resubmit with the increased height again,

1075
00:55:17,934 --> 00:55:20,934
under the existing Ordinance at present,

1076
00:55:21,166 --> 00:55:25,100
if the draft Zoning Ordinance were adopted as written today,

1077
00:55:25,634 --> 00:55:29,333
they would actually be even losing more entitlement again.

1078
00:55:29,333 --> 00:55:30,333
It would be actually, again,

1079
00:55:30,367 --> 00:55:31,867
the height would be brought down even further than

1080
00:55:31,867 --> 00:55:33,533
what's permitted today.

1081
00:55:34,133 --> 00:55:37,333
So in a sense, there again, there's like a lot

1082
00:55:37,333 --> 00:55:40,066
of moving parts here, but so

1083
00:55:40,066 --> 00:55:43,634
- They have a plan that is vested under the existing height

1084
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:45,300
- Regardless.

1085
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:45,934
It's, it's, it's not vested yet either.

1086
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,133
Oh, so they're still preliminary plan approval stage

1087
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:50,000
or it's not yet approved.

1088
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,367
They're preliminary so they're not yet vested.

1089
00:55:53,300 --> 00:55:55,367
- Well, and, and, and I guess and,

1090
00:55:55,467 --> 00:55:59,533
and I'm certainly not well versed in financing

1091
00:56:00,066 --> 00:56:02,867
of any kind when it comes to this municipal stuff,

1092
00:56:03,133 --> 00:56:07,233
let alone the Borough, but I certainly would like to see

1093
00:56:08,133 --> 00:56:12,700
how the Borough intends to pay for the 15 million

1094
00:56:13,133 --> 00:56:18,066
- Taxes - Because, well, you know, I've heard a lot of,

1095
00:56:18,066 --> 00:56:21,066
already the rumors have started, you know, well,

1096
00:56:21,066 --> 00:56:24,066
we'll we'll be asking each of the municipalities

1097
00:56:24,667 --> 00:56:26,700
to kick in a little money and all.

1098
00:56:26,834 --> 00:56:29,834
Yeah. But 15 million is a lot to raise

1099
00:56:30,133 --> 00:56:34,033
and I'm not sure the finances of the Borough are such,

1100
00:56:34,333 --> 00:56:37,000
I mean certainly there's a borrowing capacity

1101
00:56:37,333 --> 00:56:42,033
and certainly there's an opportunity to, to get some good

1102
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:47,367
financing percentages in terms of, of rates

1103
00:56:48,867 --> 00:56:50,100
for this kind of activity.

1104
00:56:51,433 --> 00:56:54,500
But I really would

1105
00:56:55,634 --> 00:56:57,834
just having gone, I hate to bring it up,

1106
00:56:57,934 --> 00:56:59,266
but just having gone Well I

1107
00:56:59,266 --> 00:57:01,300
- Think at this case, the game we've,

1108
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:03,000
we've determined we're we're not,

1109
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,066
we're not gonna support it.

1110
00:57:04,567 --> 00:57:06,867
Yes. So let's, let's, and I'd like her

1111
00:57:07,133 --> 00:57:09,533
- What you, I think your wording, let's,

1112
00:57:09,533 --> 00:57:11,233
- Let's let's move in that direction.

1113
00:57:12,033 --> 00:57:13,367
Okay. And,

1114
00:57:13,567 --> 00:57:15,333
and if it comes back to us then it could be

1115
00:57:15,333 --> 00:57:18,100
for further discussion and future discussion

1116
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:19,367
and, and go from there.

1117
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:26,266
So is, is there a motion to send the, the clear message

1118
00:57:26,266 --> 00:57:28,467
and the recommendation coming out of our commission

1119
00:57:28,634 --> 00:57:30,100
as it was stated here?

1120
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:32,533
And if there is I'll need a motion

1121
00:57:32,667 --> 00:57:35,266
and a second I motion So, okay.

1122
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:39,867
One second. Got a second. Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye.

1123
00:57:40,133 --> 00:57:43,100
Aye. Opposed? Okay.

1124
00:57:46,133 --> 00:57:46,300
Okay.

1125
00:57:54,834 --> 00:57:59,066
All right. Moving off of that,

1126
00:58:00,166 --> 00:58:05,000
we now have moving

1127
00:58:05,066 --> 00:58:08,300
into the policy agenda and the comprehensive plan update.

1128
00:58:10,333 --> 00:58:14,033
- Alright, so we have met at all the municipalities.

1129
00:58:14,166 --> 00:58:16,934
So we are tonight gonna look at things from a

1130
00:58:16,934 --> 00:58:18,100
more regional perspective.

1131
00:58:18,033 --> 00:58:20,634
Some of this will be familiar

1132
00:58:21,233 --> 00:58:25,500
but we're gonna walk through it at more of a regional level.

1133
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:29,066
We're gonna talk about the future land use map

1134
00:58:29,634 --> 00:58:31,634
and the process for

1135
00:58:31,634 --> 00:58:34,467
how it gets incorporated into the comprehensive plan.

1136
00:58:35,133 --> 00:58:37,734
We'll review the draft future land use map so

1137
00:58:37,734 --> 00:58:40,033
that not only are you seeing your own municipality,

1138
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:41,133
but all the pieces together.

1139
00:58:42,667 --> 00:58:45,567
We'll go through the open house results on the

1140
00:58:45,667 --> 00:58:49,000
prioritization of the goals, talk about criteria

1141
00:58:49,066 --> 00:58:50,033
for future growth areas,

1142
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:54,700
then pivot a little bit into shared land uses as that's one

1143
00:58:54,700 --> 00:58:56,066
of the things that's coming next.

1144
00:58:57,467 --> 00:59:01,300
So first for the future land use map, that is a component

1145
00:59:01,467 --> 00:59:02,867
of the comprehensive plan.

1146
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:07,500
We've been through all the planning commission meetings

1147
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:09,000
to go through

1148
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,367
and talk about the joint meeting

1149
00:59:10,367 --> 00:59:13,066
that was held earlier this spring or summer.

1150
00:59:13,867 --> 00:59:16,233
And those dates are on the left tonight

1151
00:59:16,934 --> 00:59:20,533
we have the draft future land use map that you'll be seeing.

1152
00:59:21,433 --> 00:59:25,500
The governing bodies are now in the process

1153
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:28,233
of reviewing the PC recommendations, right?

1154
00:59:28,233 --> 00:59:31,233
All the PCs have moved it forward to their boards

1155
00:59:31,233 --> 00:59:34,734
or councils and those meetings are on the right

1156
00:59:35,333 --> 00:59:37,100
because of the timeline.

1157
00:59:38,066 --> 00:59:43,033
CRPC will see the final draft at their November 5th meeting,

1158
00:59:43,567 --> 00:59:47,467
at which time we'll be looking to get that approved so that

1159
00:59:47,467 --> 00:59:50,000
that's incorporated into the comprehensive plan.

1160
00:59:52,033 --> 00:59:56,033
So here is the future land use map as proposed.

1161
00:59:57,033 --> 01:00:00,266
If you recall the land use classifications are on the

1162
01:00:00,266 --> 01:00:01,500
left of the different colors.

1163
01:00:02,133 --> 01:00:05,567
You'll see the regional growth boundaries. That black line.

1164
01:00:05,667 --> 01:00:07,634
So outside of the regional growth boundary

1165
01:00:07,634 --> 01:00:08,734
as we talked about is

1166
01:00:08,734 --> 01:00:11,533
where there is less land use classifications.

1167
01:00:11,834 --> 01:00:13,934
'cause that's not an area that's focused on growth.

1168
01:00:14,266 --> 01:00:16,500
It identifies what's there

1169
01:00:17,934 --> 01:00:19,367
inside the regional growth boundary.

1170
01:00:19,667 --> 01:00:22,066
What is where we've got designated growth.

1171
01:00:22,233 --> 01:00:26,700
So those classifications, there's a lot more variety

1172
01:00:27,367 --> 01:00:32,300
and all of the municipalities have been looking at data

1173
01:00:32,667 --> 01:00:34,100
and the capacity within.

1174
01:00:35,066 --> 01:00:37,133
And most of them have, in fact all

1175
01:00:37,133 --> 01:00:38,300
of them have been looking at

1176
01:00:38,567 --> 01:00:42,700
how can we designate more growth within looking at where

1177
01:00:43,266 --> 01:00:45,333
there are available parcels

1178
01:00:45,867 --> 01:00:48,233
and changing some of those land use classifications

1179
01:00:48,367 --> 01:00:51,033
for more density, more efficient use of the land.

1180
01:00:51,367 --> 01:00:55,233
And also looking at what the needs are of their community.

1181
01:00:56,166 --> 01:01:00,100
You can see that College Township has identified some future

1182
01:01:00,100 --> 01:01:02,834
growth areas and that little inset there

1183
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,867
says future growth areas, designate locations

1184
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,133
beyond the regional growth boundary sewer service area

1185
01:01:09,367 --> 01:01:12,467
that may accommodate longer term residential

1186
01:01:12,734 --> 01:01:15,567
and employment growth, including higher density

1187
01:01:15,867 --> 01:01:17,467
and more intensive uses.

1188
01:01:18,066 --> 01:01:20,700
Should future conditions warrant expansion

1189
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:23,000
of the regional growth boundaries sewer service area?

1190
01:01:23,333 --> 01:01:24,533
And should infrastructure

1191
01:01:24,567 --> 01:01:27,767
and public utilities be extendable to support such growth.

1192
01:01:28,667 --> 01:01:31,367
So just wanna note that it is not saying

1193
01:01:31,367 --> 01:01:34,500
that these future growth areas are a saying

1194
01:01:34,500 --> 01:01:38,333
that we're expanding now, it's just we're starting to plan

1195
01:01:38,467 --> 01:01:40,834
for where future growth should be when

1196
01:01:41,133 --> 01:01:42,567
conditions warrant it.

1197
01:01:44,834 --> 01:01:48,100
So it's again, just important to understand that we went

1198
01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:49,266
through and

1199
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:51,033
provided data at these joint meetings

1200
01:01:51,033 --> 01:01:53,000
to talk about the red cap report

1201
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,367
that looks at the capacity within

1202
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:57,634
and recognize that there's sufficient capacity

1203
01:01:58,133 --> 01:02:00,533
to support the projected growth.

1204
01:02:01,367 --> 01:02:05,634
However, we don't control the build rate, market demand,

1205
01:02:06,333 --> 01:02:08,300
who owns the property, who's willing to sell.

1206
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:12,066
So it makes sense to look at some future growth areas

1207
01:02:12,233 --> 01:02:16,033
and plan for where we want future growth.

1208
01:02:17,166 --> 01:02:20,367
And if you look at where growth is happening in Centre

1209
01:02:20,367 --> 01:02:22,233
County beyond our Centre Region,

1210
01:02:22,900 --> 01:02:24,066
it is happening in that area.

1211
01:02:24,266 --> 01:02:28,000
So those two areas are designated as future growth areas.

1212
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,066
You might also recall

1213
01:02:31,066 --> 01:02:33,233
during the joint meetings we talked about some long-term

1214
01:02:33,266 --> 01:02:36,033
sewage issues related to older septic tank

1215
01:02:37,734 --> 01:02:39,233
type failure potentials.

1216
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:41,567
And that we've decided that it's

1217
01:02:42,367 --> 01:02:45,367
these situations we're not gonna identify all those on

1218
01:02:45,367 --> 01:02:46,533
the future land use map.

1219
01:02:46,567 --> 01:02:48,266
It's really, we're gonna address those

1220
01:02:48,266 --> 01:02:50,700
through existing planning and regulatory mechanisms.

1221
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:52,867
It will be discussed in the comprehensive plan

1222
01:02:52,867 --> 01:02:56,100
as a future action for planning that needs to occur.

1223
01:02:59,266 --> 01:03:01,000
So that's a future land use map.

1224
01:03:01,934 --> 01:03:03,100
I'm gonna go through the whole thing

1225
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:05,767
unless you guys prefer that we stop and talk about this

1226
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:07,000
and if there's any comments,

1227
01:03:08,767 --> 01:03:12,634
- Thoughts, I reluctantly am going

1228
01:03:12,634 --> 01:03:15,300
to make a que ask a question of staff,

1229
01:03:16,266 --> 01:03:19,767
but I I I don't want to turn this thing on its head.

1230
01:03:20,934 --> 01:03:25,567
Was there any discussion either

1231
01:03:25,734 --> 01:03:27,033
internally with staff

1232
01:03:27,233 --> 01:03:31,834
or with Ferguson Township in terms of their staff

1233
01:03:32,333 --> 01:03:37,000
at connecting the primary growth area between where it is

1234
01:03:37,433 --> 01:03:38,767
and Pine Grove Mills?

1235
01:03:39,467 --> 01:03:43,133
The fact that Pine Grove Mills is an isolated area.

1236
01:03:43,867 --> 01:03:45,367
I don't have a zoo map,

1237
01:03:45,433 --> 01:03:47,867
but it's the, the yellow area down at the bottom

1238
01:03:48,433 --> 01:03:52,533
and it is disconnected from the rest of the

1239
01:03:53,266 --> 01:03:54,634
primary growth area.

1240
01:03:56,100 --> 01:04:00,467
And was there, was there any discussion about that area?

1241
01:04:01,667 --> 01:04:05,066
- The area was discussed at the joint meeting

1242
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:10,100
and it was, I believe, position that if we had to grow

1243
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,367
we should look at that area to make that connection.

1244
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:18,033
But given the red cap data, Ferguson has

1245
01:04:18,667 --> 01:04:21,834
three over 3000 approved units

1246
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:24,066
existing within the regional

1247
01:04:24,066 --> 01:04:25,500
growth boundary that aren't built yet.

1248
01:04:26,066 --> 01:04:30,567
And they did, at least the board didn't think that it's time

1249
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:32,834
for them to consider additional growth

1250
01:04:33,300 --> 01:04:35,066
when there is so much within

1251
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:38,367
- The, the land between the two folks is,

1252
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:42,133
is almost all agricultural land.

1253
01:04:42,734 --> 01:04:46,467
And of course Ferguson has a major commitment to ag land,

1254
01:04:48,333 --> 01:04:51,634
but I didn't want to get in a situation given the length

1255
01:04:52,133 --> 01:04:54,467
of time of our comprehensive plan

1256
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:59,233
and how far out that is that if something were

1257
01:04:59,266 --> 01:05:04,266
to develop where it becomes logical to make

1258
01:05:04,266 --> 01:05:07,567
that connection, that the statement would be made

1259
01:05:08,033 --> 01:05:12,100
by the regional staff to say that this is not in compliance

1260
01:05:12,667 --> 01:05:14,867
with the regional plan.

1261
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:16,734
- Yeah, I would say Ferguson

1262
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,634
and Half Moon identified future future growth areas

1263
01:05:20,667 --> 01:05:22,066
that we'll keep in our records

1264
01:05:22,834 --> 01:05:26,500
but that we're not ready to be on the future land use map.

1265
01:05:26,634 --> 01:05:27,867
And that's one of the areas.

1266
01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:31,066
- Okay. Thank you. I feel better about that.

1267
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:33,767
Yeah, like I said, I I, I don't want

1268
01:05:33,767 --> 01:05:36,033
to turn things upside down, but it just seems

1269
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:37,100
- Yep.

1270
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:37,767
Yeah, this is where we are now,

1271
01:05:37,867 --> 01:05:41,500
but we do, we'll be keeping a file that says future

1272
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:43,767
growth areas for the next round.

1273
01:05:43,767 --> 01:05:47,867
Like, so that that documentation will exist. Okay.

1274
01:05:49,767 --> 01:05:52,333
- Just curious, would you, I know you this at the municipal

1275
01:05:52,333 --> 01:05:56,533
level would, in what ways your thinking about

1276
01:05:56,567 --> 01:05:59,567
how this relates to potential bicycle routes

1277
01:05:59,567 --> 01:06:00,734
and transportation and stuff?

1278
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,700
'cause I'm looking at, I've noticing there's a lot

1279
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:03,834
of green areas that are,

1280
01:06:03,867 --> 01:06:06,367
that are non non-designated growth areas,

1281
01:06:06,433 --> 01:06:08,367
but yet relatively close to the kind

1282
01:06:08,367 --> 01:06:10,333
of the commercial industrial core of the region.

1283
01:06:11,133 --> 01:06:13,100
And I would think it would be beneficial

1284
01:06:13,266 --> 01:06:16,133
to have those areas have residential development

1285
01:06:16,767 --> 01:06:20,000
earlier than some of the places more farther out as a way

1286
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,000
to be able to manage traffic

1287
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,500
and have more opportunities for a bus

1288
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:25,300
and other, you know, bicycle transportation.

1289
01:06:25,834 --> 01:06:26,834
Yeah.

1290
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:29,533
- What areas specifically?

1291
01:06:29,734 --> 01:06:33,266
- Yeah, so you're, say that again.

1292
01:06:33,266 --> 01:06:35,066
Like where are you at? Give an example

1293
01:06:35,066 --> 01:06:36,066
- Green spot.

1294
01:06:36,066 --> 01:06:37,367
The, the, the large green spot directly north of,

1295
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:38,867
I'm assuming that the blue kind

1296
01:06:38,867 --> 01:06:40,333
of Penn State University up here.

1297
01:06:41,367 --> 01:06:44,033
No, to the right. The light green just right there.

1298
01:06:44,033 --> 01:06:45,133
Yeah, right there. Yeah.

1299
01:06:45,667 --> 01:06:49,066
- How is the hollow - Yeah, that's, that's big, big hollow.

1300
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:53,533
So there's it, it's a,

1301
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:55,567
- And I think difficult - Area.

1302
01:06:56,033 --> 01:06:58,033
- I wanna be clear, I'm not, I'm not arguing one way

1303
01:06:58,033 --> 01:06:59,634
or another to, to talk about these,

1304
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:03,767
but in the process of putting this together, just yeah,

1305
01:07:03,934 --> 01:07:05,867
be thinking about those elements in there. Yeah.

1306
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,500
- Yes. I think logically we all want to try to fill in

1307
01:07:10,533 --> 01:07:14,033
where we can before we look to go out even

1308
01:07:14,033 --> 01:07:15,266
- Further. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1309
01:07:16,133 --> 01:07:18,066
- But yeah, that area and I actually think

1310
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:19,100
- Looks like the, the

1311
01:07:19,367 --> 01:07:20,934
quarry assuming is the gray area there.

1312
01:07:20,934 --> 01:07:22,066
Yeah. That the whole area.

1313
01:07:22,066 --> 01:07:24,033
And I know there's some topographical issues

1314
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:25,100
and stuff, but, and

1315
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:28,133
- I clearly want to compliment the staff and,

1316
01:07:28,233 --> 01:07:32,100
and what the work that, that everybody has done on staff

1317
01:07:32,834 --> 01:07:36,100
to come up with the data to verify

1318
01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:42,033
that we don't need to be, you know, blowing up hundreds

1319
01:07:42,033 --> 01:07:46,233
of acres into, into development that we have

1320
01:07:46,533 --> 01:07:48,634
what is projected to be our growth

1321
01:07:49,266 --> 01:07:51,333
well covered at the moment.

1322
01:07:51,333 --> 01:07:55,033
Because there was a lot of, there's a lot of talk about,

1323
01:07:55,433 --> 01:07:58,066
about, oh, you know, we need more room and we need this

1324
01:07:58,066 --> 01:07:59,066
and that and the other thing.

1325
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:03,867
And, and I, I wanna compliment you guys on, on doing the job

1326
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:07,033
that you did to, to come up with some of that data.

1327
01:08:07,767 --> 01:08:11,834
'cause 'cause that really shuts down some

1328
01:08:11,834 --> 01:08:14,767
of this other growth stuff that,

1329
01:08:14,767 --> 01:08:16,634
- That isn't really appropriate.

1330
01:08:17,900 --> 01:08:20,000
Jeff, show me your arrow

1331
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,500
where the sewage treatment plant is.

1332
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,066
- Sewage treatment plant

1333
01:08:24,066 --> 01:08:25,066
- Is, there you go.

1334
01:08:25,266 --> 01:08:26,300
That makes sense now

1335
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:30,300
because you're not, it's an awful long way

1336
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:32,567
to put a sewer line at the end of Ferguson Township.

1337
01:08:32,567 --> 01:08:37,533
Oh yeah. Property values would be 400,000 an re

1338
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:40,066
unless they build a whole nother sewage treatment plant.

1339
01:08:40,133 --> 01:08:42,000
So I don't think you have to worry about

1340
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,467
that part down there.

1341
01:08:43,834 --> 01:08:46,500
That makes them most Well they had one of their owns.

1342
01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:48,300
Yeah, they had one of their own at one time.

1343
01:08:48,467 --> 01:08:49,567
If Pine Grove Mills,

1344
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,100
- That's why Pinegrove - Failures,

1345
01:08:53,934 --> 01:08:55,100
but that's gone, right?

1346
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:56,100
- Yeah. There is failure.

1347
01:08:56,834 --> 01:08:58,367
All right, so that's the draft bloom.

1348
01:08:58,467 --> 01:09:00,634
If more questions come at the end, you can

1349
01:09:01,867 --> 01:09:03,233
keep asking and think about that.

1350
01:09:04,166 --> 01:09:06,300
So as part of the joint meetings.

1351
01:09:06,300 --> 01:09:09,533
We had an open house prior to each municipal meeting,

1352
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,066
and then we also had one open house at the general forum

1353
01:09:13,433 --> 01:09:16,033
to invite anybody who may be missed their individual one.

1354
01:09:16,467 --> 01:09:19,467
And so we had over 200 people participate in the

1355
01:09:19,467 --> 01:09:20,533
open houses overall.

1356
01:09:21,133 --> 01:09:25,033
And I'm gonna go through the big ideas where we asked

1357
01:09:25,834 --> 01:09:28,033
all participants to identify their top three

1358
01:09:28,033 --> 01:09:30,100
priorities among the goals.

1359
01:09:30,867 --> 01:09:33,033
So these are the goals that we've identified.

1360
01:09:33,367 --> 01:09:37,834
And what we are, we're looking for is feedback on, you know,

1361
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,333
priorities from the community,

1362
01:09:39,734 --> 01:09:41,700
but also whether we have the right goals.

1363
01:09:41,834 --> 01:09:43,033
We asked what, what's missing?

1364
01:09:43,634 --> 01:09:45,266
And then yeah, what's missing?

1365
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:47,700
And are these goals the appropriate?

1366
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,233
So first big idea is fostering housing variety.

1367
01:09:52,133 --> 01:09:55,033
And what you can see here is that there's, you know,

1368
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:57,233
interest in all of these at different levels

1369
01:09:57,634 --> 01:09:59,100
and that they really want more types

1370
01:09:59,133 --> 01:10:01,033
of housing available, right?

1371
01:10:01,133 --> 01:10:03,467
So when we look at developing strategies,

1372
01:10:03,467 --> 01:10:07,133
we're gonna be looking at actions that address both sides of

1373
01:10:07,867 --> 01:10:10,567
housing choices, more diversity as well

1374
01:10:10,567 --> 01:10:12,066
as affordability, right?

1375
01:10:12,033 --> 01:10:14,066
So that's kind of helps us see,

1376
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:16,300
but again, there's not a clear winner.

1377
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:20,100
There's the first three, get the highest three points,

1378
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,133
but they all are relevant.

1379
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:27,467
Then the big idea for connecting beyond cars for this one,

1380
01:10:28,533 --> 01:10:31,934
what you see here is really a lot of support for all

1381
01:10:31,934 --> 01:10:33,767
of them, and it's pretty well blended.

1382
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:36,066
So it really is about making it easier

1383
01:10:36,333 --> 01:10:38,033
and safer for people to get

1384
01:10:38,033 --> 01:10:39,300
around the region in different ways

1385
01:10:39,333 --> 01:10:42,000
and making good use of the infrastructure we already have.

1386
01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:46,467
And so, to Tim's point, what some of the strategies

1387
01:10:46,467 --> 01:10:48,767
that we should be looking at is on connectivity

1388
01:10:49,133 --> 01:10:50,133
and filling in the gaps

1389
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:54,567
and trying to help people be able to make transportation

1390
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:56,834
decisions like walking, biking,

1391
01:10:56,867 --> 01:10:58,033
and transit more practically

1392
01:11:01,033 --> 01:11:04,233
for the big idea on partnering for a thriving future,

1393
01:11:06,166 --> 01:11:09,300
this one, again, there's the,

1394
01:11:09,567 --> 01:11:12,100
the biggest one is sustaining the Centre Region

1395
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:15,867
as a vibrant, liv livable place to live, work, and grow.

1396
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,734
So what we're kind of seeing here, depending on

1397
01:11:19,734 --> 01:11:20,934
how you wanna interpret it, is

1398
01:11:20,934 --> 01:11:22,767
that residents aren't necessarily asking

1399
01:11:22,867 --> 01:11:24,133
for growth for growth's sake.

1400
01:11:24,667 --> 01:11:26,867
They're interested in quality of growth

1401
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,567
and what it contributes to the community.

1402
01:11:32,166 --> 01:11:34,367
But again, that sustaining the Centre Region

1403
01:11:34,500 --> 01:11:36,700
as a vibrant place, that's an important quality

1404
01:11:36,767 --> 01:11:39,033
that the residents want to continue to see.

1405
01:11:39,033 --> 01:11:43,033
That being part of the planning process for the big idea,

1406
01:11:43,033 --> 01:11:45,567
advancing purposeful community design,

1407
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:49,734
this category produced one of the biggest, right?

1408
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,033
47. So that repurposing

1409
01:11:52,033 --> 01:11:55,533
and revitalizing existing infrastructure was a repeat

1410
01:11:56,066 --> 01:11:58,066
that we've definitely been hearing throughout this

1411
01:11:58,066 --> 01:11:59,834
comprehensive plan process.

1412
01:12:00,634 --> 01:12:03,266
It gets back to the future land use map discussions

1413
01:12:03,266 --> 01:12:05,467
that we've been having about supporting infill

1414
01:12:05,467 --> 01:12:07,834
and reinvestment in existing communities.

1415
01:12:07,834 --> 01:12:11,467
These, and then lastly,

1416
01:12:11,567 --> 01:12:15,033
the fifth big idea is cultivating environmental stewardship.

1417
01:12:15,634 --> 01:12:18,700
Again, when you look at this, there's broad support for all

1418
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:22,367
of these, but this is really about people expecting us

1419
01:12:22,367 --> 01:12:25,934
to plan for growth while also protecting the resources

1420
01:12:25,934 --> 01:12:27,867
that make the Centre Region what it is, right?

1421
01:12:27,867 --> 01:12:31,266
Protecting our water natural and agricultural lands.

1422
01:12:32,233 --> 01:12:35,567
So when we look at all these, you know, they've been

1423
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:38,066
reviewed through the municipal joint meetings,

1424
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,100
staff round tables is how we, you know, we're working

1425
01:12:41,166 --> 01:12:45,000
to get these and the public open houses, we don't,

1426
01:12:45,133 --> 01:12:46,300
we didn't see any gaps.

1427
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:49,266
We nobody put something that we were, you know, missing.

1428
01:12:51,133 --> 01:12:54,467
So before we move into full strategy development, we wanted

1429
01:12:54,467 --> 01:12:58,000
to get CRPC, the opportunity to react to these

1430
01:12:58,033 --> 01:13:00,367
and see if you had something that you think were missing

1431
01:13:00,567 --> 01:13:04,300
or that doesn't make sense to you related to these goals.

1432
01:13:05,433 --> 01:13:08,700
So, I don't know if you have any thoughts on the goals

1433
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,033
and what we heard from the community,

1434
01:13:13,367 --> 01:13:15,033
- See anything missing from the results

1435
01:13:15,066 --> 01:13:17,734
that are been proposed?

1436
01:13:18,033 --> 01:13:19,033
It's in your packet.

1437
01:13:25,066 --> 01:13:26,667
- All right, I'll keep going.

1438
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,667
So, as we talked at the municipal level,

1439
01:13:33,734 --> 01:13:37,133
we are looking at, you know, planning for future growth.

1440
01:13:37,734 --> 01:13:41,266
And so what we're interested in is creating this two,

1441
01:13:41,266 --> 01:13:46,166
two-tiered approach for analyzing when

1442
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,166
and where we should be growing

1443
01:13:49,467 --> 01:13:53,000
this growth suitability framework can be used

1444
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,033
and helpful for when municipalities are evaluating where

1445
01:13:56,166 --> 01:13:58,533
and whether to expand the regional growth boundary.

1446
01:13:59,033 --> 01:14:02,300
Currently we have a regional growth boundary sewer service

1447
01:14:02,433 --> 01:14:05,133
implementation agreement that's that DRI process.

1448
01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:09,433
And what we would look at af you know, as,

1449
01:14:09,567 --> 01:14:12,066
as this gets incorporated into the comprehensive plan,

1450
01:14:12,133 --> 01:14:15,300
is updating that implementation agreement to try

1451
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:19,300
to identify these criteria on the left as the first

1452
01:14:19,867 --> 01:14:22,000
to see whether it makes sense to include it.

1453
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,500
And then also making sure we're dealing

1454
01:14:23,500 --> 01:14:24,533
with these environmental

1455
01:14:25,133 --> 01:14:27,000
and infrastructure issues on the right.

1456
01:14:27,033 --> 01:14:31,500
So if there are things that you think are missing

1457
01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:34,700
or that we should be considering, we're looking

1458
01:14:34,734 --> 01:14:39,467
for feedback on that to make sure that we continue

1459
01:14:39,667 --> 01:14:42,333
to plan for future growth in areas

1460
01:14:42,367 --> 01:14:43,634
that we want and support that.

1461
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,100
And recognizing that we have a lot

1462
01:14:47,133 --> 01:14:49,634
of prime soils in this region.

1463
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:52,100
We also have cariology, so we're,

1464
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:54,834
we know we can't completely avoid things,

1465
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,266
but that's where the planning

1466
01:14:56,367 --> 01:14:59,367
and trying to look at best practices to minimize

1467
01:15:00,066 --> 01:15:01,266
the negative impacts.

1468
01:15:07,700 --> 01:15:10,734
So then we'll pivot a bit into shared land uses,

1469
01:15:10,734 --> 01:15:12,700
which is one of the things that's coming next.

1470
01:15:12,734 --> 01:15:16,000
And we talked at the municipality PCs

1471
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,133
to give this update on the benefits

1472
01:15:19,133 --> 01:15:20,233
of shared land use, right?

1473
01:15:20,233 --> 01:15:22,333
We've, we've been regionally planning,

1474
01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:26,300
we've had regional comprehensive plans that give us

1475
01:15:26,934 --> 01:15:29,133
the sense of sharing of land uses.

1476
01:15:29,667 --> 01:15:33,000
But what we are looking in this comprehensive plan is

1477
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,333
to actually identify a list of shared land uses

1478
01:15:36,467 --> 01:15:38,000
and an implementation agreement

1479
01:15:38,033 --> 01:15:39,100
that talks about the process.

1480
01:15:40,066 --> 01:15:42,700
And these shared land uses can help the Centre Region

1481
01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:46,133
coordinate growth, avoid conflicting land use patterns,

1482
01:15:46,634 --> 01:15:50,033
and ensure that the needs are met without requiring every

1483
01:15:50,033 --> 01:15:51,934
community to accommodate every use.

1484
01:15:52,734 --> 01:15:55,066
So it gives us more consistent policies,

1485
01:15:55,133 --> 01:15:57,100
it's stronger Ordinance, defensibility,

1486
01:15:57,367 --> 01:15:59,867
and then those development patterns that can align

1487
01:15:59,867 --> 01:16:02,333
with each community's character and capacity.

1488
01:16:02,567 --> 01:16:04,567
So we are trying

1489
01:16:04,567 --> 01:16:07,066
to make sure everybody understands the concept

1490
01:16:07,133 --> 01:16:09,533
and that really it's taking what we're already doing

1491
01:16:09,634 --> 01:16:10,700
and codifying it

1492
01:16:11,567 --> 01:16:14,533
and allowing the municipalities to be able

1493
01:16:14,533 --> 01:16:18,867
to really hone in on what they can specialize in.

1494
01:16:19,533 --> 01:16:23,100
This is a list of some shared land uses

1495
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:24,467
that are being considered right now.

1496
01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:27,000
We've been talking at the staff municipal level

1497
01:16:28,066 --> 01:16:29,266
since probably June.

1498
01:16:30,133 --> 01:16:32,033
We're narrowing the list down, trying

1499
01:16:32,033 --> 01:16:34,000
to make it a reasonable list.

1500
01:16:35,533 --> 01:16:37,734
This is completely subject to change

1501
01:16:38,467 --> 01:16:42,033
as there are definitely gonna be some negotiations of

1502
01:16:42,233 --> 01:16:44,367
who is going to do what, what

1503
01:16:45,166 --> 01:16:48,066
and what each specialty, you know, area

1504
01:16:48,867 --> 01:16:50,333
where things are going to belong.

1505
01:16:50,567 --> 01:16:54,033
So we are not bringing to you today the list

1506
01:16:54,033 --> 01:16:55,100
of shared land uses,

1507
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:57,033
we just wanna make sure there's understanding

1508
01:16:57,100 --> 01:16:59,033
and then here if there concerns

1509
01:16:59,033 --> 01:17:01,100
or questions so that we can make sure

1510
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:02,266
that those are being addressed.

1511
01:17:04,467 --> 01:17:08,266
So basically what's next, the future land use map is going

1512
01:17:08,266 --> 01:17:09,533
through the approval process

1513
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:12,266
and should be getting wrapped up.

1514
01:17:12,834 --> 01:17:15,066
The shared land uses is another leg

1515
01:17:15,100 --> 01:17:18,000
of the comprehensive plan that we are trying to make part

1516
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,367
of this comprehensive plan.

1517
01:17:19,467 --> 01:17:22,700
And that will go through the end of the year.

1518
01:17:23,233 --> 01:17:25,000
In the a future meeting,

1519
01:17:25,233 --> 01:17:28,467
you should be seeing probably the November one, a draft list

1520
01:17:28,467 --> 01:17:30,834
of shared uses and the implementation agreement.

1521
01:17:31,066 --> 01:17:32,700
Basically we're getting staff

1522
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:35,834
and municipal agreement, then solicitor discussion,

1523
01:17:36,133 --> 01:17:38,033
then it'll come to the planning commission

1524
01:17:42,066 --> 01:17:44,500
- Question, Pam, in terms of, I'm all in favor

1525
01:17:44,667 --> 01:17:46,934
of shared use, I mean a hundred percent,

1526
01:17:48,133 --> 01:17:53,066
but my big concern is we're a bit awkward

1527
01:17:53,233 --> 01:17:57,634
in this region at, at agreeing on

1528
01:17:58,634 --> 01:18:03,066
multiple municipalities kinds of things

1529
01:18:03,867 --> 01:18:05,567
in a shared use agreement.

1530
01:18:07,433 --> 01:18:11,033
If, if Ferguson is in that agreement

1531
01:18:11,166 --> 01:18:12,634
with College Township

1532
01:18:14,266 --> 01:18:18,367
and there becomes a need may, maybe three townships,

1533
01:18:19,133 --> 01:18:23,000
there becomes a need to change the,

1534
01:18:23,166 --> 01:18:27,033
the wording in the Zoning

1535
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:30,033
district that we're sharing use.

1536
01:18:30,533 --> 01:18:34,834
Does that mean that all three of us then have to agree

1537
01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:40,100
and, and you know, publicly vote on making

1538
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:42,734
that change? So

1539
01:18:42,900 --> 01:18:47,233
- The municipality who is the one, the owner if you want

1540
01:18:47,233 --> 01:18:50,767
to call it, will be able to make their decision.

1541
01:18:51,133 --> 01:18:55,233
The regional Planning Agency commission will have to review.

1542
01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:58,100
'cause if they're reducing or taking it away, we have

1543
01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:01,934
to do an analysis to make sure that the region is covered.

1544
01:19:02,266 --> 01:19:06,767
But the owner can change a definition if

1545
01:19:06,767 --> 01:19:07,834
that's what it is,

1546
01:19:08,867 --> 01:19:11,000
- Or add a - Definition or add a definition.

1547
01:19:11,834 --> 01:19:14,133
You know, you learn best practices, you learn things

1548
01:19:14,133 --> 01:19:15,300
that you want to tighten it up.

1549
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,066
Then the other municipalities who are sharing that will have

1550
01:19:19,066 --> 01:19:21,100
to update to, to match.

1551
01:19:21,433 --> 01:19:24,500
But if they're looking at removing that land use,

1552
01:19:24,533 --> 01:19:26,000
then it impacts everybody.

1553
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:30,333
But again, they are able to do it.

1554
01:19:30,367 --> 01:19:33,333
But C-R-P-C-C-R-P-A would have,

1555
01:19:33,367 --> 01:19:35,000
we'd be looking at it as well.

1556
01:19:35,033 --> 01:19:38,100
Now that can't be a shared land use, so we would have

1557
01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:40,000
to adjust the implementation agreement.

1558
01:19:40,333 --> 01:19:44,000
- It would seem to me that we've got to, we've got

1559
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,333
to come up with an agreed upon protocol, right.

1560
01:19:47,834 --> 01:19:49,133
To have that happen.

1561
01:19:49,500 --> 01:19:51,233
- And that's in the implementation agreement.

1562
01:19:51,367 --> 01:19:55,133
So there is a document that documents using the

1563
01:19:55,734 --> 01:20:00,000
MPCs requirements and understanding how we'll do it.

1564
01:20:00,033 --> 01:20:03,100
For example, college and Patton currently have an agreement.

1565
01:20:04,066 --> 01:20:05,033
Yep. So, or the

1566
01:20:05,033 --> 01:20:07,767
- Industrial - Course and there's some in the Poconos

1567
01:20:07,767 --> 01:20:09,066
area that have agreements.

1568
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,000
So we will be looking to make sure it's understood, which is

1569
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,367
what the solicitors will be looking at.

1570
01:20:14,634 --> 01:20:18,700
- I guess the only frame of reference that I have is when

1571
01:20:19,233 --> 01:20:23,367
regional growth boundary issues, the agreement that

1572
01:20:23,367 --> 01:20:27,767
that exists, it's, it's starts to get awfully cumbersome

1573
01:20:27,834 --> 01:20:31,233
and awfully con.

1574
01:20:31,533 --> 01:20:33,533
- Yeah. So we've identified,

1575
01:20:34,333 --> 01:20:38,066
I think if it's a definition change that doesn't change the

1576
01:20:38,934 --> 01:20:42,700
analysis of the right sharing, it's just gonna come to CRPC,

1577
01:20:42,734 --> 01:20:44,500
kind of like your SDO amendments do.

1578
01:20:45,066 --> 01:20:48,467
If it's a major change we're,

1579
01:20:48,667 --> 01:20:50,066
it hasn't all been worked,

1580
01:20:51,367 --> 01:20:54,033
but we're trying to make it like there's going

1581
01:20:54,033 --> 01:20:55,867
to be amendments and improvements

1582
01:20:56,066 --> 01:20:58,066
and minor changes that will just come

1583
01:20:58,066 --> 01:20:59,233
through like SDO and Zoning.

1584
01:20:59,934 --> 01:21:02,100
If there's some big change,

1585
01:21:02,166 --> 01:21:03,734
then it might have to be justified

1586
01:21:03,734 --> 01:21:07,767
- And it, and it might be as easy as having one category

1587
01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:10,266
of changes called minor changes.

1588
01:21:10,467 --> 01:21:13,834
Yep. And we all agree to how those all happen.

1589
01:21:14,367 --> 01:21:18,867
And then another category of changes that would require some

1590
01:21:20,066 --> 01:21:23,634
action by the elected officials in order

1591
01:21:23,734 --> 01:21:25,066
to be implemented. Right.

1592
01:21:25,367 --> 01:21:27,133
- And that's kind of the balance that we're trying

1593
01:21:27,133 --> 01:21:29,567
to figure out in the implementation agreement.

1594
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,533
If we are going by the MPC, this body is the one

1595
01:21:34,033 --> 01:21:35,934
that we will have that additional

1596
01:21:37,033 --> 01:21:40,500
analysis when we review these amendments that we saw today.

1597
01:21:41,467 --> 01:21:45,100
Not relevant to any land use sharing type of changes,

1598
01:21:45,367 --> 01:21:48,934
but if there were to be those down the road, we would,

1599
01:21:48,934 --> 01:21:53,066
on the back end staff level, have a massive Excel sheet

1600
01:21:53,266 --> 01:21:57,100
of all of the land uses, who has what, how much acreage

1601
01:21:57,667 --> 01:22:01,333
and does this amendment impact

1602
01:22:02,266 --> 01:22:04,100
specifically the shared uses?

1603
01:22:05,133 --> 01:22:07,133
If you're not sharing it, we have less

1604
01:22:07,133 --> 01:22:08,233
of a concern about it.

1605
01:22:08,233 --> 01:22:10,033
Right. But those shared ones,

1606
01:22:10,033 --> 01:22:11,500
that's gonna be where we need to,

1607
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:13,133
- That's the two step a step.

1608
01:22:13,367 --> 01:22:16,767
The first step is identifying the uses that could be shared.

1609
01:22:17,066 --> 01:22:18,767
Yes. And then the second thing is,

1610
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,567
is if you're gonna share, how are you gonna implement?

1611
01:22:21,867 --> 01:22:24,066
Yes. So that's, that's all to be determined.

1612
01:22:24,166 --> 01:22:26,834
- Yep. And, and yeah, that's fine. Okay.

1613
01:22:27,233 --> 01:22:29,100
- But yeah, it's good feedback. But I'm

1614
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:30,867
- Concerned the - Original implementation agreement

1615
01:22:30,867 --> 01:22:32,767
that we saw from the consultant didn't have that.

1616
01:22:32,867 --> 01:22:36,767
And we last time just talked about like, we'd have ones

1617
01:22:36,834 --> 01:22:39,100
that are simple and then the more Yeah.

1618
01:22:39,166 --> 01:22:43,500
Kind of having a two minor changes, major changes.

1619
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:46,734
Because if those shared land uses are going away,

1620
01:22:46,834 --> 01:22:49,734
that impacts the municipality, they might need more time,

1621
01:22:50,033 --> 01:22:51,100
different things like that.

1622
01:22:51,767 --> 01:22:53,934
- I just think about the regional growth boundary thing

1623
01:22:54,066 --> 01:22:55,000
gets ugly sometimes.

1624
01:22:55,233 --> 01:22:59,533
Right. And I don't want this right to mirror that.

1625
01:23:00,066 --> 01:23:01,266
- Agreed. And we've learned,

1626
01:23:01,567 --> 01:23:02,934
'cause we've just been, you know,

1627
01:23:02,934 --> 01:23:05,300
we haven't talked about a regional growth boundary service,

1628
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:06,367
service area extension.

1629
01:23:06,367 --> 01:23:07,767
And we've had two this year.

1630
01:23:07,867 --> 01:23:11,033
So we've, we've learned a lot about that.

1631
01:23:11,433 --> 01:23:14,500
So there's shared land uses, there's future land use map,

1632
01:23:14,567 --> 01:23:19,033
and then there are these goals that we've now reviewed

1633
01:23:19,100 --> 01:23:20,133
and gotten out in the public

1634
01:23:20,500 --> 01:23:22,867
that now we're gonna start developing strategies

1635
01:23:22,900 --> 01:23:26,100
that's gonna make up our chapters for each big idea.

1636
01:23:26,867 --> 01:23:29,533
We do have the draft chapters for one, two,

1637
01:23:29,533 --> 01:23:31,500
and three that we're gonna start reviewing with

1638
01:23:32,634 --> 01:23:33,834
municipal all staff

1639
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,767
and they'll be coming back to you as well.

1640
01:23:35,900 --> 01:23:39,033
So there's kind of the writing of the plan, shared land uses

1641
01:23:39,133 --> 01:23:40,266
and the future land use plan.

1642
01:23:40,867 --> 01:23:44,133
But we're looking still on track for adoption

1643
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,133
approval in the first half of 2027.

1644
01:23:47,734 --> 01:23:48,066
- Okay.

1645
01:23:54,033 --> 01:23:55,233
Guys, we're having discussion over there.

1646
01:23:55,233 --> 01:23:56,033
I figured you'd have a question.

1647
01:23:56,934 --> 01:23:57,834
You know what we're talking about.

1648
01:23:58,333 --> 01:24:01,000
What's that? We know what we're talking about. Okay.

1649
01:24:01,934 --> 01:24:02,634
You got the answers?

1650
01:24:03,367 --> 01:24:04,734
No, but we know what we're talking about.

1651
01:24:05,066 --> 01:24:07,634
Okay. All right. If you got the answers, share 'em.

1652
01:24:08,934 --> 01:24:12,000
Shared use. Okay.

1653
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,734
All right. Well if there's no other questions on

1654
01:24:15,734 --> 01:24:19,300
that update the conference plan update, that'll move us

1655
01:24:19,333 --> 01:24:20,867
to the question. Sorry.

1656
01:24:20,867 --> 01:24:22,000
- Sorry. Just a quick question.

1657
01:24:22,367 --> 01:24:25,467
When you talk about taking into account infrastructure

1658
01:24:25,467 --> 01:24:27,100
and stuff, does that include school district,

1659
01:24:27,834 --> 01:24:32,066
the school capa, the capacity surplus capacity and schools?

1660
01:24:32,634 --> 01:24:35,133
If, if not, I would suggest that that it should. So we do

1661
01:24:35,133 --> 01:24:37,934
- Have a pipeline of communication between the schools

1662
01:24:38,033 --> 01:24:40,533
as far as, so that part of that and yes. Okay.

1663
01:24:40,767 --> 01:24:43,700
- Excellent. Thanks. - Yeah, it's a MPC requirement

1664
01:24:44,133 --> 01:24:46,233
for land development plans proposing.

1665
01:24:46,934 --> 01:24:48,100
- Right. So that they get family

1666
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:49,767
- Homes. We have to provide that

1667
01:24:49,767 --> 01:24:50,767
- To the city district.

1668
01:24:52,467 --> 01:24:54,500
Moves us to committee and liaison reports.

1669
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,700
First one is the CCMPO.

1670
01:24:58,100 --> 01:25:00,634
- Yep. And Bill reported that they did not meet in August.

1671
01:25:01,066 --> 01:25:04,500
- Okay. Next is the State Borough Water Authority.

1672
01:25:05,066 --> 01:25:06,734
- I attended that, but nothing to report

1673
01:25:07,133 --> 01:25:09,233
- I Water authority.

1674
01:25:09,433 --> 01:25:12,266
Go ahead. What are they doing in the park in, is

1675
01:25:12,266 --> 01:25:15,233
that from a wellhead in Lynden Hall

1676
01:25:15,934 --> 01:25:17,033
up at the softball fields?

1677
01:25:17,467 --> 01:25:19,333
- Oak Hall. - Oak call. I'm sorry. Oak

1678
01:25:19,333 --> 01:25:20,333
- Hall.

1679
01:25:20,333 --> 01:25:21,634
So called Township. That's called Township Water Authority.

1680
01:25:21,634 --> 01:25:22,867
And I don't regularly go to those,

1681
01:25:22,900 --> 01:25:24,834
but I know that they are doing an upgrade.

1682
01:25:25,033 --> 01:25:26,300
- Oh, massive. - Yep.

1683
01:25:26,867 --> 01:25:27,867
- Massive. Yep.

1684
01:25:27,900 --> 01:25:29,100
And it goes, they come right through the middle of

1685
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:30,367
that park going down to,

1686
01:25:31,133 --> 01:25:33,033
I know I call it Lower brushes Valley Road,

1687
01:25:33,033 --> 01:25:34,500
but I think it's called Oak Hall.

1688
01:25:34,767 --> 01:25:36,066
- Yeah, I can find out for sure.

1689
01:25:36,133 --> 01:25:39,333
But I know College Township Water Authority is doing

1690
01:25:39,333 --> 01:25:42,533
improvements I'll say, or upgrades to their current Well

1691
01:25:43,634 --> 01:25:45,567
- To, because that's the wellhead up at the top, right?

1692
01:25:45,700 --> 01:25:46,567
Yes it is. Yeah.

1693
01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:52,567
Okay. UAJA,

1694
01:25:53,700 --> 01:25:57,634
- I did a presentation on the Act 5 37 plan to educate their

1695
01:25:58,367 --> 01:26:01,133
board members since long-term sewage planning.

1696
01:26:01,166 --> 01:26:03,000
So I gave a comprehensive plan update

1697
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,033
and then we focused in on the long-term sewage planning.

1698
01:26:07,033 --> 01:26:09,100
- Okay. Anything with Park and Recs.

1699
01:26:10,266 --> 01:26:12,133
- So if people are interested,

1700
01:26:12,700 --> 01:26:14,867
the Millbrook Marsh survey results

1701
01:26:15,767 --> 01:26:17,266
were presented at the Parks

1702
01:26:17,266 --> 01:26:19,233
and Rec authority meeting on August 20th.

1703
01:26:19,834 --> 01:26:22,767
If you go to the website, it's on the agenda packet there.

1704
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:25,767
And they did get 710 responses so you could see

1705
01:26:25,767 --> 01:26:27,700
what people are saying about Millbrook Marsh,

1706
01:26:28,467 --> 01:26:30,066
basically related to the boardwalk

1707
01:26:30,233 --> 01:26:32,000
and what they, you know, it's helping

1708
01:26:32,033 --> 01:26:35,467
to inform the decision making on what comes next with the

1709
01:26:36,133 --> 01:26:37,934
failures that they've been seeing at the,

1710
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:39,367
with their boardwalk.

1711
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,333
- Is there any intent,

1712
01:26:43,266 --> 01:26:46,000
and I don't know procedurally whether this is appropriate

1713
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,033
or not, but to possibly ask them to,

1714
01:26:49,333 --> 01:26:53,734
to give us a report here or overview or something

1715
01:26:54,033 --> 01:26:55,266
- On Millbrook mark. Yeah,

1716
01:26:56,033 --> 01:27:00,066
- I mean that's, that's a fairly hot bucket,

1717
01:27:00,900 --> 01:27:05,000
hot button item with regard to costs and,

1718
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:09,266
and you know, and I don't, I

1719
01:27:09,266 --> 01:27:10,533
- Don't, yeah, they've asked me to report,

1720
01:27:10,567 --> 01:27:12,033
so I can certainly talk to Christie

1721
01:27:12,033 --> 01:27:14,100
to see when the right time is, when they have information.

1722
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,634
'cause I, I don't know, we'd be interested in if that,

1723
01:27:19,667 --> 01:27:20,734
if other people agreed

1724
01:27:20,867 --> 01:27:24,233
and they'd be interested in getting a report, we can put

1725
01:27:24,233 --> 01:27:27,300
that on a future agenda item when we have space on the

1726
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:30,367
agenda and they're at a point where there's something

1727
01:27:30,367 --> 01:27:32,367
to share beyond just the survey results.

1728
01:27:32,734 --> 01:27:36,100
- Are they flooded now - From the most recent?

1729
01:27:37,033 --> 01:27:39,100
- Well I know Mulheim downtown flooded.

1730
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:42,000
I know that if you're out at Sears Dam,

1731
01:27:42,033 --> 01:27:43,066
you can't get to your boat.

1732
01:27:43,667 --> 01:27:46,000
- Yep. - That's how high the dam is.

1733
01:27:46,033 --> 01:27:48,000
So I was wondering if Millbrook Marsh is,

1734
01:27:48,133 --> 01:27:50,734
- I know Marengo underwater, Marengo Road,

1735
01:27:51,300 --> 01:27:55,100
it's not across the road between BAILEYVILLE

1736
01:27:55,333 --> 01:27:58,000
and five 50, but it's up to the road.

1737
01:28:00,734 --> 01:28:01,734
- Yeah. I don't know if they're,

1738
01:28:01,734 --> 01:28:03,734
- Yeah, because I wonder about they're gonna rebuild all

1739
01:28:03,734 --> 01:28:04,834
those platforms and

1740
01:28:05,100 --> 01:28:09,033
what are we five inches over our normal rainfall

1741
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:11,533
and we still have four months to go in the year

1742
01:28:13,166 --> 01:28:17,000
and you wonder how they can plan for rebuilding those things

1743
01:28:17,133 --> 01:28:19,000
as it seems to get wetter and wet. Yeah.

1744
01:28:19,266 --> 01:28:21,000
- And they're low end I recognition of that.

1745
01:28:21,100 --> 01:28:24,834
So they, yeah, there's a couple, there's several projects

1746
01:28:24,834 --> 01:28:27,100
that are going on that there's gonna be a time in the future

1747
01:28:27,100 --> 01:28:28,500
where will make sense for them to come here.

1748
01:28:31,066 --> 01:28:32,066
Yep.

1749
01:28:32,533 --> 01:28:36,567
- Okay. Moves us to other business.

1750
01:28:38,133 --> 01:28:42,233
Next CRPC meeting will be on Thursday, October 1st, 2026

1751
01:28:45,734 --> 01:28:46,734
at 1215.

1752
01:28:47,934 --> 01:28:49,100
So just make sure it's a joint

1753
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:51,033
meeting at this point in time.

1754
01:28:52,100 --> 01:28:53,634
So it's a joint meeting with Lucy

1755
01:28:56,867 --> 01:28:59,734
also that, just be aware, read

1756
01:28:59,734 --> 01:29:03,333
through the other other business things about the completion

1757
01:29:03,333 --> 01:29:07,066
of the review of the flu and joint meeting summary report.

1758
01:29:07,867 --> 01:29:11,066
There's a, that schedule that was up on the, on the

1759
01:29:12,567 --> 01:29:14,634
overhead is is in there as well.

1760
01:29:16,634 --> 01:29:19,000
There's also still three

1761
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:23,033
of the four free trained hosts would've been completed.

1762
01:29:23,033 --> 01:29:24,634
There's one more that's gonna happen.

1763
01:29:26,266 --> 01:29:31,233
It's gonna happen on November 10th, 2026 from 5 36 30 in

1764
01:29:31,233 --> 01:29:33,133
the general forum building if you want

1765
01:29:33,133 --> 01:29:34,266
to attend that training session.

1766
01:29:37,567 --> 01:29:40,100
And enclosed is also the matter of record

1767
01:29:40,333 --> 01:29:42,133
for the comprehensive plan roadmap.

1768
01:29:43,133 --> 01:29:44,934
There's also reference links

1769
01:29:44,934 --> 01:29:46,333
and things like that that you can look at.

1770
01:29:47,333 --> 01:29:51,634
If there's no other items to discuss

1771
01:29:52,300 --> 01:29:56,033
that at this point in time, is there any other things

1772
01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:57,533
that need to be discussed?

1773
01:29:57,533 --> 01:30:01,767
And if not, I'll take a motion for adjournment. So moved.

1774
01:30:01,900 --> 01:30:06,567
Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. Opposed?

1775
01:30:07,033 --> 01:30:08,033
Adjourn.

1776
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,834
- For 30 years the State College Community Land Trust has

1777
01:30:42,834 --> 01:30:45,000
been creating a community where the people

1778
01:30:45,066 --> 01:30:48,634
who work here can afford to live, grow, and belong.

1779
01:30:49,166 --> 01:30:53,300
We've created and preserved 56 permanently affordable homes,

1780
01:30:53,834 --> 01:30:57,033
opening the door to home ownership for more than 80 families

1781
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,000
with energy efficient upgrades, green building

1782
01:31:01,333 --> 01:31:03,000
and clean energy investments.

1783
01:31:03,667 --> 01:31:06,066
Our homeowners enjoy lower utility costs

1784
01:31:06,333 --> 01:31:09,100
and affordable homes that last for generations.

1785
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,533
Our programs serve low to moderate

1786
01:31:12,900 --> 01:31:14,700
and middle income individuals

1787
01:31:14,700 --> 01:31:17,533
and families who want to live in State College.

1788
01:31:18,433 --> 01:31:21,266
None of this would be possible without our extended

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community of dedicated staff, volunteers, local businesses

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and banks and our nonprofit partners.

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Join the movement, donate, volunteer, leave a legacy

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through planned giving.

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Share our story. Visit SCC land trust.org.