1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,920 The Chan Hassen City Council, doing a short training session as well. And I think with that, I will turn it over to Eric Moss, community development director for the rest of the agenda. Joining the Planning Commission this evening, Commissioner Olm said and Commissioner Grover, so this time we'll turn it over to the City of Chan Hassen, Minnesota. To the best of my judgment and ability. To the best of my judgment and ability. So help me, God. So help me, God. Fantastic. Thank you. 2 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:36,460 Welcome typically the first meeting in April held by the Planning Commission is where we get a lot of our administrative 3 00:00:36,460 --> 00:00:40,800 It's not affirmed by the City Council. It is a Planning Commission decision 4 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:47,360 Typically it knows the two new ones might I will be out on parental leave for a decent chunk of this summer 5 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,760 That would be staff's recommendation for chair 6 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,480 We do not have a recommendation for vice chair 7 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:59,420 But we'd offer that to the Planning Commission for position the chair again for this next term to cover the planning and zoning committee means 8 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:03,860 We have to make a motion to elect Steve Job. 9 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:06,260 Is that the correct pronunciation of you? 10 00:01:06,260 --> 00:01:06,540 Say aye. 11 00:01:06,980 --> 00:01:07,440 Aye, aye. 12 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,840 I'm going to stand. 13 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:09,460 I'm staying. 14 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:13,230 Excellent. 15 00:01:13,950 --> 00:01:17,870 So in summary, she will edit to the bylaws, the main one 16 00:01:17,870 --> 00:01:21,790 being that we wanted to clarify that it could occur in the event 17 00:01:21,790 --> 00:01:23,650 that we are absent on unexpected quorum. 18 00:01:24,550 --> 00:01:27,410 The other item is clarifying that with the planning commission, 19 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:30,570 but understanding that things happen in life. 20 00:01:30,570 --> 00:01:32,350 For instance, I know I will miss. 21 00:01:32,530 --> 00:01:36,710 For those of the two recommendations from staff in terms of updates for the bylaws with 22 00:01:36,710 --> 00:01:37,510 that, I'll send for questions. 23 00:01:43,350 --> 00:01:47,130 And Mr. Chair, if there are versions of the bylaws that's in front of you. 24 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:47,950 Aye. 25 00:01:48,570 --> 00:01:48,770 Aye. 26 00:01:49,590 --> 00:01:51,370 I appointed advisory body. 27 00:01:51,690 --> 00:01:55,050 So you all have been appointed to this body by the city council. 28 00:01:55,650 --> 00:02:01,250 You make, that means that zoning variances, so variances to chapter 20 are reviewed by 29 00:02:01,250 --> 00:02:02,530 by the planning and deciding vote, 30 00:02:03,290 --> 00:02:06,270 whereas in other cases typically you are a recommending body 31 00:02:06,270 --> 00:02:07,530 and deundation for the adjustments 32 00:02:07,530 --> 00:02:08,630 and giving you that authority. 33 00:02:11,900 --> 00:02:13,120 So, this is something you- 34 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:28,240 In terms of deliberation and the running of the meeting. So that would be staff's recommendation for chair. We do not have a recommendation for vice chair, but we'd offer that to the planning commission for discussion. Thank you. With that being said, do I have any motion to position the chair again for this next term to cover the planning and zoning committee meetings? We have to make a motion to elect Steve Job. Is that the correct pronunciation? 35 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,600 I'm going to stay in motion. 36 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:35,620 Excellent. 37 00:05:36,340 --> 00:05:43,120 So in summary, chairman noise, chair roll, commissioner Job will continue in the vice chair roll. 38 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:47,200 That helps with our minute taking and just to record the meeting. 39 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:48,780 So thanks for that reminder. 40 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,400 She will add it to the bylaws. 41 00:05:50,660 --> 00:05:55,620 The main one being that we wanted to clarify that ins has been our past practice. 42 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,040 Again, absent decorum, no official recommendations or motions can be. 43 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,600 could occur in the event that we are absent on unexpected 44 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,460 quorum. The other item is clarifying that with the planning 45 00:06:06,460 --> 00:06:09,960 commission, but understanding that things happen in life, 46 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,080 for instance, I know I will miss for some attendance to be a 47 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,160 planning commissioner, but that if an attendance issue becomes 48 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,580 a problem, then the city council may relieve that planning 49 00:06:19,580 --> 00:06:22,200 commissioner of their duties if it becomes an issue instead of 50 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,020 shallow relief. So those are the two recommendations from staff 51 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:28,620 in terms of updates for the bylaws, with that I'll send for 52 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:28,980 questions. 53 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,160 And Mr. Chair, there are about a second. 54 00:06:38,850 --> 00:06:40,210 All right, all in favor of 55 00:06:40,210 --> 00:06:46,190 approving the version of the bylaws that's in front of you. Aye. Aye. 56 00:06:47,010 --> 00:06:51,510 Mr. Chair, with the conclusion of the organizational items completed, we're 57 00:06:51,510 --> 00:06:53,650 going to move on to planning commissioner training. 58 00:06:56,910 --> 00:06:58,790 This will be a refresher for 59 00:06:58,790 --> 00:07:03,670 some but a pointed advisory body. So you all have been appointed to this body by 60 00:07:03,670 --> 00:07:04,510 by the city council. 61 00:07:04,810 --> 00:07:05,290 You make... 62 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:10,600 That means that zoning variances, so variances to chapter 20, are reviewed by the planning and deciding vote. Whereas in other cases, typically you are a recommending body and 63 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,780 demondation for the adjustments and giving you that authority. 64 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:31,330 So this is something new to names so that you have some familiarity with folks as they come up. So Eric Moss and the community development director, Samantha DiMaggio, she is the city's economic development manager. She actually isn't a room right over. They're having the economic development commission meeting right now as well. 65 00:10:31,330 --> 00:10:36,030 So you may see her for projects related to tax increment financing pack on who's your tonight 66 00:10:36,030 --> 00:10:39,050 She is our associate planner as well as Rachel Jessica our planner 67 00:10:39,690 --> 00:10:44,410 Miss Jessica's on vacation. So miss Jessica have been with the city about a year and a half now 68 00:10:45,410 --> 00:10:51,590 Very lucky to have them both resources specialist. So she handles everything from forestry questions to 69 00:10:53,790 --> 00:10:57,270 Composting to you name it she is our environmental resource. You'll see him really a fair amount 70 00:10:57,270 --> 00:10:59,790 He comes to quite a few meetings to talk through things like wetland 71 00:10:59,790 --> 00:11:02,170 and wetland impacts stormwater-mitting 72 00:11:02,170 --> 00:11:03,590 are a consultant forester. 73 00:11:04,030 --> 00:11:05,490 He's actually been helping the city off and on 74 00:11:05,490 --> 00:11:06,830 for about the last three years. 75 00:11:07,330 --> 00:11:08,750 He is currently soft right now. 76 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:10,930 So, Manuel is helping two backfill 77 00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:13,730 basically Jamie's busy season. 78 00:11:17,710 --> 00:11:18,790 Now getting more than nothing bolts 79 00:11:18,790 --> 00:11:21,410 to the comprehensive plan over what can go where? 80 00:11:21,610 --> 00:11:26,570 Is the easiest way I can distill that in terms of example, 81 00:11:27,890 --> 00:11:30,770 large lot residential, we allow zoning districts 82 00:11:30,770 --> 00:11:43,810 which permit between one unit and ten, excuse me, one housing unit per ten acres down to the downtown where we don't have a max density, but we anticipate it rocks me 32 units per acre. 83 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,560 This is updated every ten years with the city's update along with the Metropolitan Council. 84 00:11:53,560 --> 00:12:01,060 So the relationship that between zoning and land use is, once a property is guided by its 85 00:12:01,060 --> 00:12:03,900 land use designation, is established by that land use designation. 86 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:10,980 So for instance, residential large lot, that I mentioned earlier, our A2, our agricultural 87 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:13,900 state district, or our rural residential district. 88 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:18,860 So you'll see in staff reports from us that what is the land use designation for the property? 89 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,820 What is the zoning designation for the property? 90 00:12:23,020 --> 00:12:31,880 Any time there's a subdivision, the subdivision needs, but once, for instance, an example of sewer capacity or sewer is brought to the site, they're not eligible. 91 00:15:00,340 --> 00:15:08,940 They're not required to up zone unless they're seeking subdivision. At the time of subdivision, one they need to be compliant with the city's comprehensive plan. 92 00:15:11,940 --> 00:15:33,320 Tro, it's meant to foster change and really provide a framework for how and where change it. We then move up into the zoning map and zoning code. This meant it should be analyzed regularly to make sure that it's both consistent with their comprehensive plan as well as consistent with market forces related to development. 93 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,520 And those are the primary three, but there are a couple additional ones related to mostly 94 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:42,140 open space. 95 00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:49,580 But that's where we create ordinances, and we've got the most discretion. 96 00:15:52,400 --> 00:16:00,780 Moving to READY is acting as legislative or policymaking capacity and any rezoning or PUD moving 97 00:16:05,420 --> 00:16:06,980 up into the zoning code. 98 00:16:06,980 --> 00:16:13,840 That's what we use as really a nexus to analyze purple that or a site plan would be another one 99 00:16:15,260 --> 00:16:21,660 Generally speaking if it meets the standards that are within the city code the city shall approve 100 00:16:21,660 --> 00:16:24,820 This considered a quasi-judicial additional use permit 101 00:16:25,340 --> 00:16:29,720 Well, it's stated as a conditional use permit. I like to refrain it as a permitted use 102 00:16:30,260 --> 00:16:35,160 Then the city shall approve the the purposes of a conditional use permit it 103 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:42,400 But use may have increased impacts on surrounding properties and therefore require additional scrutiny through conditions. 104 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:50,060 That could be things like hours of operation, distance, buffering, screening, parking. 105 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,340 Specific performance standards outlined by the ordinance that the city can sum. 106 00:16:54,680 --> 00:17:00,680 We have a relatively high level discretion because an applicant is seeking a deviation from the city's, it's as requested, 107 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,260 said, walking through whether or not it's staff's opinion that those necessary findings 108 00:17:05,260 --> 00:17:06,080 have been achieved. 109 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,560 Again, this is a quasi-judicial decision. 110 00:17:11,850 --> 00:17:15,650 And this or a building permit for a new home, it's really at that point where we're taking 111 00:17:15,650 --> 00:17:21,670 what's already been reviewed or approved or height limitations, et cetera, and we're just applying 112 00:17:21,670 --> 00:17:23,970 It adds it exists and it's at least a moment of... 113 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:19,120 Discretion, after those plan reviews. And then finally, building permit, as discussed. So I wanted to just provide kind of how we work up and just where our levels of discretion are and how each of the elements that the city has put forward the comprehensive plan, the zoning ordinance, locations are building permits. 114 00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:32,090 So meeting flow, the energy guide to rovers rules of order. So this is what the city uses for its comments. There are no additional comments. 115 00:20:32,090 --> 00:20:35,010 then the chair will call for a vote on that motion. 116 00:20:35,570 --> 00:20:37,850 In the end to amend that original motion, 117 00:20:38,010 --> 00:20:42,190 then the commissioner that originally made the motion, 118 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:44,170 this is why staff is here. 119 00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:46,950 We will help you through that if it has not come up in my time with the city, 120 00:20:47,070 --> 00:20:47,930 but every now and again, it does. 121 00:20:49,050 --> 00:20:51,750 It's just so it's very clear what is on the table for voting. 122 00:20:51,910 --> 00:20:56,270 We will make sure that that's clear and understood before any vote takes place. 123 00:20:57,910 --> 00:21:00,250 In ministering of public hearings, you have won the comments. 124 00:21:00,250 --> 00:21:04,330 questions of staff or comments to be discussed amongst the Planning Commission. 125 00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:10,610 Once the Planning Commission has reached a point where at least their introductory questions 126 00:21:10,610 --> 00:21:14,890 or comments are satisfied and minutes to address the Planning Commission provide their 127 00:21:14,890 --> 00:21:15,350 feedback. 128 00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:20,670 Deering individuals early in terms of the public hearing and making sure everybody gets 129 00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:25,010 a chance to share their opinion before we get into it. 130 00:21:26,290 --> 00:21:26,490 Commissioner. 131 00:21:26,490 --> 00:21:30,270 Mr. Commissioner, this is a point of clarification on this because we often have a different 132 00:21:30,270 --> 00:21:30,490 way. 133 00:21:30,810 --> 00:21:36,150 Mr. Commissioner, so the applicant can do that during the public hearing but probably 134 00:21:36,150 --> 00:21:41,310 the cleaner way would be to invite the applicant up if they're in attendance to provide any 135 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:41,950 feedback. 136 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:50,100 I'll go as they will come up during the public hearing but the goal is to generally have 137 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:56,000 them before that, usually right after the staff has made their presentation. 138 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,520 So it does make the flow much easier if you do it that way. 139 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,460 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 140 00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:09,560 And then with that, if there are any ever questions from the public, right, 141 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:17,190 that ultimately, as commissioners, you're discussing amongst users, 142 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,420 that makes it difficult to capture the meeting minutes for it. 143 00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:25,900 But it also just, it degrades high-level Roberts rules 144 00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:31,940 again, staff is here to help make sure that we're filing our decorum and proceeding accordingly. 145 00:22:34,810 --> 00:22:36,510 Something new from this past year, 146 00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:41,920 public hearings are new for a lot of people. This is 147 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:29,980 That is sometimes not the most, not the easiest place to stand up and say what you think. That's put out for public hearings, is to try and give those that are in attendance, if they've never been here before, a good understand, kind of their portion of the meeting to participate in. And then when they leave, what are additional ways to get additional information, get in touch with staff, and know what? So that way, if we don't have English speakers here, they've got a guide that can help them 148 00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:50,680 So with that we've got two brand new planning commissioners here this evening so I would encourage you to ask any questions of staff that you might have again we want this to be we really appreciate your stepping up to serve the community in this way and so we want this to be a positive experience for you so if you have questions please ask them of staff in that same goes for the rest of the planning commission so with that I'll pause. 149 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,460 So 150 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:00,580 Eric, when in your process, the triangle that you showed, does staff come to the commission? 151 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,380 When do we see that after you've already reviewed things? 152 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,740 Yeah, Mr. Chair, commission following the city receiving an application, staff deeming 153 00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:11,780 that application complete. 154 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,760 So everything in our ordinances, it says they need to provide it, which that means we can 155 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,800 now do our review for review and recommendation. 156 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:20,640 Okay. 157 00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:21,200 Thank you. 158 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,940 Any other questions or comments about what Eric presented? 159 00:26:29,820 --> 00:26:40,180 By this handout in additional languages, what we also provide transliter services if someone does present with non-speaking English patterns or language skills. 160 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,300 Mr. Chair, commissioner, I will need to look into what options you have for a transfer at. 161 00:26:45,460 --> 00:26:47,420 Specifically at a meeting, is that the question? 162 00:26:47,540 --> 00:26:47,960 Yeah, because. 163 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,700 Well, I think with that we can move on to our one public hearing item. 164 00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,140 Sorry, Mr. Chair, one additional item. 165 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,840 The League of Minnesota City also offers a pretty cheap. 166 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,500 Great, thank you. 167 00:27:05,260 --> 00:27:10,360 All right, and then we'll propose ordinance amending chapters one in chapters 20 of the city 168 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:12,280 code chapters live. 169 00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:17,140 Ultimately only the city council needs to approve a change to chapter one. 170 00:27:17,620 --> 00:27:21,740 That means, so tonight the discussion is regarding detached townhomes. 171 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:28,640 Staff has proposed this definition based on consult with the city attorney so we would 172 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,580 have dwelling town has been separated into single dwelling units at the common side wall 173 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,860 typically with structured dimension of the side walls. 174 00:27:40,030 --> 00:27:42,010 So an example of where the city 175 00:27:42,010 --> 00:27:46,690 The Aviendas is within a planned unit development or a PUD master planned development. 176 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:11,940 Change for public benefit. So the reason why we have detached town homes already in the community even though we don't are obvious. But they are being used in this case as an example of what that looks like. 177 00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:30,910 So city staff has received interest in detached town homes in the possibilities that come with a traditional detached single family home. One such project currently under review, Pioneer Ridge. So we've made everybody aware that this is something that with that project came through. 178 00:30:30,910 --> 00:30:39,790 They have pivoted and offered to swap the northern portion of you and feedback coming out of that city council. 179 00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:46,130 You should pursue this amendment to make it at least an option that could be considered for this project. 180 00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:54,450 That being said, it is not good policy for a city to enact new city code for any one particular development. 181 00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:57,910 However, it is not staff's opinion that that is the case here. 182 00:30:58,490 --> 00:31:01,450 And that is because we have seen this product in the community of four. 183 00:31:01,930 --> 00:31:06,270 We have seen interest in this product before, and we are now reacting to a broad evening. 184 00:31:06,610 --> 00:31:13,390 So here's an example from Avienda showing the front at the top here, the detatch, same 185 00:31:13,390 --> 00:31:17,170 as in the home, but with all the common area maintenance that you would typically see with 186 00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:18,050 a town-home product. 187 00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:20,510 I'm going to switch to my laser pointer here. 188 00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:26,770 And again, this is all based on the addition of tuner-d to just clarify in some places that multiple family 189 00:31:26,770 --> 00:31:32,670 in other cases, multi-family, we want consistency, so we're having consistency based on the definition of multi-family. 190 00:31:33,290 --> 00:31:42,430 So each of those three types, an average of 5,445 square feet per dwelling unit, with respect to minimum lot frontage, 191 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:47,910 adding detached townhouses to the same section that currently applies to townhouses and multi-family, 192 00:31:49,170 --> 00:32:02,670 With minimum lot depth, again adding detached townhouse to the second-day family dwelling and providing additional clarity language that that lot cover is specific to the total big building as a multi-family and then there's a broader lot. 193 00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:08,990 You've got smaller lots that are specifically to 50% maximum lot cover building 194 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:19,080 setbacks in looking at this and other past ordinances increased to 30 feet. 195 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,880 And then for side yards of townhouses for multifamily dwellings, 10 feet, again, we're 196 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,760 no common walls located, and then for side yards of detached town homes, five feet on 197 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,800 the garage side and 10 feet on the house side with a minimum separation between structures 198 00:32:34,580 --> 00:32:38,360 being 15 feet and that for detached housing product. 199 00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:42,680 No proposed changes for maximum height 15 feet. 200 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:52,920 Eric I do have a question on for the front yard setback it's moving from 25 to 20 in the rear yard 201 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,960 is going from 25 to 30. 202 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:20,280 30. So there's still 50 feet in total. What is kind of the logic is a relay property lane? We want to make sure there's acceptable distance for vehicles wanting to park in the driveway that don't hang out over a sidewalk if one exists or venturing to a street. Over and above that 20 foot setback for a building. 203 00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:31,230 Staff's opinion is that it reduced setback in the front to 20 feet still allows for ample space for a vehicle to be parked. In front of instance, between the 204 00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:33,830 the rear building setback of one lot to a rear building 205 00:35:33,830 --> 00:35:35,970 setback of another, but still mean. 206 00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:38,730 That go out to, I mean, I mean, 207 00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:41,090 how does a, there's a sidewalk in play? 208 00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:43,730 How does that come into the measurement? 209 00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:47,690 And the reason why I asked is, I mean, I look at 20 feet, 210 00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:49,130 and I drive a very large vehicle. 211 00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:52,810 I'm like, I don't even know that my truck would fit in 20 feet. 212 00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:56,570 It's be close that lays out in the various scenarios 213 00:35:56,570 --> 00:35:59,030 that could be associated with some of these projects. 214 00:35:59,030 --> 00:36:02,290 Yeah, certainly the edge of the yard is 20 feet. 215 00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:07,570 Now this is a site plan taken directly from the Ivy line is actually right there. 216 00:36:07,810 --> 00:36:11,490 They've got about 10 feet technically, I think it's seven and a half feet. 217 00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:17,290 From their building set back to their property line, but then additional space out to what 218 00:36:17,290 --> 00:36:20,350 is the edge of the out lot that is maintained by the H away. 219 00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:24,690 And then we get into either public or private right of way. 220 00:36:24,690 --> 00:36:29,650 and that's simply again where you've got about 14 feet from the edge of the 221 00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:34,930 property line to the back of curb. And so while this doesn't have a sidewalk, if 222 00:36:34,930 --> 00:36:39,130 there was a sidewalk, in this case, at least from townhomes from the building to 223 00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:44,690 the back of curb was 36 feet. And so for those reason staff is comfortable in 224 00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:49,950 proposing a 20-foot setback to the prop ending if it's a private road or a city 225 00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:54,350 road. And so there's always additional room within that right of way that is 226 00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:59,530 is used by driveway and would be available for parking if needed. 227 00:37:00,170 --> 00:37:03,350 Do we need to be more prescriptive? 228 00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:07,810 It says for front yard's 20 feet, but it doesn't say what you just said. 229 00:37:07,930 --> 00:37:11,690 It doesn't say it's 20 feet to the property line. 230 00:37:11,950 --> 00:37:14,370 We had the same element of wanting to make sure it was very clear in that. 231 00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:18,010 So under E, you should read the setbacks RS file. 232 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:18,890 Thank you. 233 00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:22,630 Mr. Chair, I have a question as well. 234 00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:28,630 Well, if we're doing only in the back, set back, but why not on the two family dwellings as well? 235 00:37:29,290 --> 00:37:33,110 Yeah, Mr. Chair, Commissioner, staff is open to that. 236 00:37:33,490 --> 00:37:37,950 That being said, we saw those two family dwellings operating more so, it's a duplex. 237 00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:43,710 And in trying to establish between a two family and a single, true single family in terms 238 00:37:43,710 --> 00:37:45,690 of what that set back could look like. 239 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:49,650 And as we move down the list, you're from single family dwelling to two family dwelling to 240 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:53,890 detached town home town home and multi-family we're getting more dense and 241 00:37:53,890 --> 00:37:55,750 sometimes it's getting greater right 242 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,240 continuing on this conversation just 243 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,800 single-family dwelling in the rear 244 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,420 Mr. Commissioners, so within this district, and based on feedback, they were received on past projects. It's typically the feedback we get is the rear setback is in theaters, not a great distance, but over potentially larger platter area. It's the impact six months from now. What plan is going to come before us, where somebody is impacted by this. I mean, so if somebody is now trying to 245 00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:39,260 to further back and gets into this, which is now 30 feet instead of in the past, they could have had an extra five feet on that deck. 246 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,160 I mean, they're going to be precluded from that project now, right? 247 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:49,560 And they'll probably think, well, maybe I'll apply for a variance, but probably there's not going to be a whole lot who's got a structure already. 248 00:40:50,780 --> 00:40:54,620 So, Mr. Chair, Commissioner, so this ordinance proposed 249 00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:58,640 those specific for the residential, low, medium, or RLM zoning district. 250 00:40:58,780 --> 00:41:05,360 So, it would not impact that being said, we don't have any vacant lots currently zoned 251 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,240 RLM that are awaiting to be built, and this only applies to the principal structure. 252 00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:15,420 If somebody wanted to make improvements because of that additional principal structure set 253 00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:20,560 back if there is an existing why that being said in staff's review of this 254 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:26,060 typically the rear it's up back well exceeds 25 years ago in RLM or in general 255 00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:34,520 with single single family dwellings. Mr. Commissioner specific okay is the 256 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,300 detached townhome category is that something that other cities have defined as 257 00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:44,000 well and did you look at communities requirements for detached homes. 258 00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:56,880 I just have something quick, get these go through a round of proofreading before they 259 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,840 get finalized, or it means that's something we should point out in the future, or worry 260 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:00,980 about. 261 00:42:01,460 --> 00:42:05,200 Mr. Commissioner, yes, staff reviews it along with our city clerk before it gets formally 262 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:05,520 published. 263 00:42:09,730 --> 00:42:10,350 Mr. Chair. 264 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,000 Attached structure. Are any of the other dwelling types defined specifically to this degree in section one of the city code? Or is this one going to be the only one kind of defined? I guess that's my dwelling is defined currently today. Yeah, and shame on me for not reading those definitions, but I looked at this though, right? I was just wondering if this significant sufficiently 265 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:41,740 the RLM but that's specifically a frame that the attorney would have looked at this through right that this definition also is said that they're comfortable with this that makes sense to me then but just just something I wanted to. 266 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:48,500 Any other things that you need to present? 267 00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:51,520 Mr. Chair, I know that concludes that presentation. 268 00:45:53,260 --> 00:45:57,100 Any other comments or questions from planning commission? 269 00:46:00,420 --> 00:46:02,080 I did just have a question. 270 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:09,160 Was there, historically, was there a reason why we didn't have a car bought for this? 271 00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:14,020 Was it just something that hadn't been brought to us the reason why the city didn't want 272 00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:16,220 to have, or support the data found out? 273 00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:22,040 I'm sure commissioners are looking for housing that may not have the same maintenance responsibilities 274 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,540 that more traditional housing may, or would require. 275 00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:42,020 Before I open the public hearing portion of this item, just a reminder if you do want to come forward, come to the mic and please state your name and address for the record and with that, I will open. 276 00:46:42,020 --> 00:46:50,560 areas. And I think it absolutely makes sense for a new development, the 30-foot setback. 277 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:57,880 It makes sense when it's a development that's in a different zone, zoning of low-density 278 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:03,460 housing, that there should be, according to your comprehensive plan, increase setback 279 00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:10,980 for two different zones that butt up next to each other. So I understand that this variance 280 00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:17,980 makes sense for within an RLM, but when an RLM connects with a low density house, 281 00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:24,000 if it's behind my house where Pioneer Ridge is going in, if there's a third- 282 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:23,860 So there needs to be some consideration, I think, for when two zones are put together, that this is not just a cut and dry variance. There needs to be consideration. 283 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,920 Mr. Chair, if I could. Just for a minor focus sense, let me make sure it's clear. 284 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,880 So the discussion tonight in the public hearing tonight is specifically 285 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,660 considering adopting lot requirements and standards for detached 286 00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:43,100 townhomes within the residential low-medium zoning district. 287 00:50:43,420 --> 00:50:47,960 We've provided an update to the Pioneer Ridge project that depends 288 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,380 on homes as an allowed dwelling type and a lot requirements for those. 289 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,720 There is the potential commission this evening and I also recognize that this is 290 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:00,980 is a complicated and into a complicated one, 291 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,420 but if anybody has any specific questions, 292 00:51:02,540 --> 00:51:05,880 I'm more than happy to discuss with planning commissioners 293 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,160 looking for the planning question. 294 00:51:07,660 --> 00:51:07,840 Thank you. 295 00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:08,440 Thanks. 296 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,900 To Laredo Drive and Chan Hasen. 297 00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:18,380 I think I misread the agenda. 298 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,280 I thought this was just a discussion, 299 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,500 and there weren't going to be any ordinance changes. 300 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,580 So proposed tonight, perhaps I'm really off base. 301 00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:32,520 because of particular developments. 302 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,560 And I think that the amount of the space to date, 303 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,480 and I hate seeing changes come through 304 00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:42,020 because of proposed developments 305 00:51:42,780 --> 00:51:44,440 that they should stand on their loan 306 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,020 with the way the code was, 307 00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:51,060 or apply for a reasonable, reasonable things like, 308 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,320 it does not impact my neighbor. 309 00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:55,360 Our code is served as well. 310 00:51:56,460 --> 00:51:58,340 You've all applied variances, 311 00:55:00,180 --> 00:55:30,160 I understand why you have to ask, but I'm not going to risk it. You never want to go through it. It continues forever. Back to my points. A lot of us have moved here from different places, which are issue an ordinance change. It has a domino effect on people who have houses near, but I want to share with you one thought. And I shared it with the city council. It really good. So I'm just asking you to consider that when you look at all these different changes that are being brought forth 312 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:35,000 to you and because if there's a city that does it next door, I don't know if we want to be Eden 313 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:35,980 Prairie West. 314 00:55:36,140 --> 00:55:41,800 You are making will impact what that future will be and there'll be people who have said 315 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,220 not. 316 00:55:44,330 --> 00:55:45,010 Thank you. 317 00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:45,650 Thank you. 318 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:49,080 Comments? 319 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:50,240 Questions? 320 00:55:53,860 --> 00:56:00,000 This is within the scope of what we're discussing tonight but I am curious since the comprehensive 321 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:06,660 plan does prescribe smooth, I don't know what the right language is but it essentially 322 00:56:06,660 --> 00:56:11,260 probably prescribes smooth transitions between different sorts of zones of density. 323 00:56:12,460 --> 00:56:20,180 I don't know that that is actually applied in code, question is if we want to start thinking 324 00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:25,340 about should that be applied in code and how would it be of don't think it probably belongs 325 00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:29,800 in what we're talking about tonight, the sections we're looking at, but I'm asking for your 326 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,760 opinion and advice from staff on that. 327 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:37,460 Mr. Commissioners, the city code currently does have, and so that is in effect today. 328 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:43,100 It's required of projects when we've got it's a chart and it has the hard types based 329 00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:51,800 on its adjacency, the least similar the two adjacencies up similar or like land use designations 330 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:52,940 next to one another. 331 00:56:53,220 --> 00:57:01,740 So the example we try to avoid that for many reasons, but if it were to exist, we've got 332 00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:07,540 is a little bit of a unicorn. We allow for residential low medium and land guided for low density 333 00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:12,160 residential. We also allow residential low medium and land guided for medium density. It did 334 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:18,000 be very similar a little bit more. And so there is still that requirement. So it's even... 335 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,460 Is different than that buffering requirement applies? 336 01:00:14,270 --> 01:00:38,630 You know, one of the comment I would make. We're not changing the long-term plan here tonight. We're not going, hey, we're increasing densities. And all we're doing is really looking at another option as far as a type of housing that could happen within this particular is been put together. 337 01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:40,790 and making drastic changes to it. 338 01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:42,530 That's not what this is doing tonight. 339 01:00:43,070 --> 01:00:46,650 I think this is really just providing another option 340 01:00:47,010 --> 01:00:49,610 and that options be people that are trying 341 01:00:49,610 --> 01:00:53,450 to maintain lifestyle in the community. 342 01:00:54,030 --> 01:00:55,310 It's a personal example. 343 01:00:55,810 --> 01:00:59,270 My brother lives in Olderwood in the city of Chaska. 344 01:00:59,690 --> 01:01:04,130 And that's a Dell web detached single town homes on a pad. 345 01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:07,330 And the nut and what we're reviewing 346 01:01:07,330 --> 01:01:08,610 going to recommend to the city. 347 01:01:09,230 --> 01:01:12,290 I also read property at a tattoo. 348 01:01:13,070 --> 01:01:16,770 And those spaces in between those houses are like 10 feet. 349 01:01:17,050 --> 01:01:20,770 So it's not only a Minnesota area, but also in California. 350 01:01:21,150 --> 01:01:23,150 So I like the idea. 351 01:01:23,330 --> 01:01:24,470 I'm an older man myself. 352 01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:28,010 I have downsized with my wife into a town home. 353 01:01:28,310 --> 01:01:30,870 And I don't have to do a lot of maintenance. 354 01:01:31,010 --> 01:01:31,830 I really like that. 355 01:01:32,190 --> 01:01:36,210 And that freed up selling a house that a young like 356 01:01:36,210 --> 01:01:42,070 Make the clarifications and some of the small minor changes we've done to the city code. 357 01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:44,310 Thank you. 358 01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:54,820 With that, anybody want to put forth a motion? 359 01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:56,740 I can make a motion. 360 01:01:57,420 --> 01:02:01,780 A motion to recommend approval of the ordinance in amending chapter 20. 361 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:08,760 Amending lot requirements and setbacks for the residential low and medium density district. 362 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,440 We have a valid motion, do I have a second? 363 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,680 A second. 364 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,120 We have a second. 365 01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:17,500 All in favor of the motion? 366 01:02:17,780 --> 01:02:18,100 Say it. 367 01:02:26,170 --> 01:02:31,950 With that, I think the next agenda item is the meeting minutes or edits to those meeting minutes. 368 01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:36,890 If not, can I get a 2025? 369 01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:38,530 We have a valid motion. 370 01:02:38,850 --> 01:02:39,310 We have a second. 371 01:02:39,810 --> 01:02:40,370 Second. 372 01:02:40,830 --> 01:02:41,130 Second. 373 01:02:41,470 --> 01:02:41,950 All in. 374 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:10,760 Chair, if I could offer, so commissioners, Grover and Olmsted, we're not here with us, and then that commission is Olmsted and Grover abstain from this vote. Thank you for the clarification. 375 01:05:11,220 --> 01:05:21,240 I'll second. March 18, 2025, Chanasson Planning Commission meeting minutes, say aye, aye, the motion passes 5-0. 376 01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:31,560 Community development director Moss, do you have any other administrative or other updates for the planning commission? 377 01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:38,080 Yeah, commission. So the city received application on Friday for the Santa 378 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,820 Vera apartment project phase two. So that'll come before the 379 01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:46,200 plan side. There's currently an existing 18 unit apartment building at the 380 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,040 corner of Santa Vera and the radio. So that'll come before you. We also received 381 01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:55,120 application for the apartment project at Avienda. That's still under staff review 382 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,560 for completeness. So that may come before the planning commission in May. However, 383 01:05:58,660 --> 01:06:01,420 we're still working through that middle. The West Building, which was referred 384 01:06:01,420 --> 01:06:05,680 to as the Bennett. We're still working through that, they're working, I've got a couple. 385 01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:06,920 Okay, 386 01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:14,560 one question. On the Santa Vera project, this is do it like here or if there's a way to inform 387 01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:19,800 the commission. Certainly two of our commissioners weren't here then it may have been more depending 388 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:24,880 on when that happened. I just can't recall now what the date was when we last looked at that project, 389 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:30,460 but there is a lot of input, a lot of public activity. I'm just wondering if there's any way to kind 390 01:06:30,460 --> 01:06:45,320 We're going to get a refresher on what we already did versus what's still ahead may site that came through for staff review ultimately that project never went forward it was a mixture of now being proposed is just the apartment building. 391 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:54,440 So the current beauty that's in place allows for an apartment building by right that's permitted use it explicitly does not allow for the amendment. 392 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,920 And as I mentioned with our pyramid of discretion, the city would have a lot of discretion already 393 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:06,580 by a prior staff report from Bob Generous with the planter at that time for them, just 394 01:07:06,580 --> 01:07:08,900 as some additional background information. 395 01:07:09,340 --> 01:07:13,820 However, the current project is a different piece, part of the submittal for staff review 396 01:07:13,820 --> 01:07:15,360 and ultimately planning commission and council review. 397 01:07:16,180 --> 01:07:24,140 But yeah, I can pull together a plan approval or will there be any, what was it, PUD amendment 398 01:07:24,140 --> 01:07:26,220 requests are variant like anything like that? 399 01:07:26,500 --> 01:07:29,020 Mr. Commissioner, so they would be coming for a site plan approval. 400 01:07:29,540 --> 01:07:33,500 The site plan, the density is established by the lot area. 401 01:07:35,810 --> 01:07:37,810 So in this case, it would not be a subdivision. 402 01:07:37,870 --> 01:07:41,090 It would be a preliminary platter, a final platter, it would just be that site plan review. 403 01:07:41,090 --> 01:07:41,110 Thank you. 404 01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:35,180 I mean, I don't believe so, but if the commissioners have any questions on things they're seeing around, around the city, I'd be happy to. One reminder, we are having you gathering tomorrow, 430, left, but we'd also like to welcome you guys if you are interested in attending. No business of the planning commission will be discussed. It will be duly noted on the tack board, those that are coming on board. And no business of the planning commission will 405 01:10:35,180 --> 01:10:35,560 We'll be discussed. 406 01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,180 And if you're interested, Jean Larkin from the twins fame 407 01:10:40,180 --> 01:10:42,000 will be there citing autographs. 408 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,220 If you want to meet a former World Series champion 409 01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:45,760 from the twins. 410 01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:50,270 I move to adjourn the meeting. 411 01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:52,150 We have a valid motion. 412 01:10:52,430 --> 01:10:53,230 Do I have a second? 413 01:10:53,950 --> 01:10:55,050 Should pass the 7-0?