1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,180 630, and I have a quorum. I'm going to insert a move around our agenda just slightly and ask 2 00:00:10,180 --> 00:00:12,720 Ms. Sherry to introduce her new boss. 3 00:00:15,300 --> 00:00:19,040 Thank you, Chairman. Yes, so it's a great pleasure. 4 00:00:19,820 --> 00:00:24,340 This week administration sent out a press release, and we're very pleased to have Mr. John 5 00:00:24,340 --> 00:00:30,120 Dougan with us here tonight. John Dougan has been tapped as our new community 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:37,160 development director and he will be onboarding with us on August 17th. I just 7 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:42,260 wanted to in your packet there is a press release with a photo of him so that 8 00:00:42,260 --> 00:00:47,320 everybody can get familiar with his face and we are excited to have new 9 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,120 leadership in our department and I'm really excited to have another person so we 10 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:58,040 We welcome you, and if you want to come up and say a few words about yourself, we would 11 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,080 love to hear from you. 12 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,740 Thank you. 13 00:01:00,740 --> 00:01:01,340 Thank you so much. 14 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:01,920 You're welcome. 15 00:01:03,380 --> 00:01:06,460 Well, members of the Commission, members of the public, thank you. 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,860 I'm happy to be almost here. 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,020 I'm two-thirds here. 18 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:12,560 Be here completely in a month or so. 19 00:01:13,380 --> 00:01:18,640 I look forward to working with you to help you in all your issues and challenges and planning 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,480 that the new comprehensive updates of the plan, 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,380 comprehensive plan, new regulations for zoning you need, 22 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:26,480 updates probably for subdivisions 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:27,940 and other site plan ordinances. 24 00:01:28,580 --> 00:01:33,300 I've done this, if you saw the sort of a press release 25 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:35,780 about 15 times over the last 52 years, 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,000 I've been a professional planner. 27 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,780 And I'm retired, I thought, but I couldn't let this 28 00:01:42,780 --> 00:01:45,380 opportunity pass me by as something to do 29 00:01:45,380 --> 00:01:50,820 and something to be a service, continue to be a service as I have been since my first 30 00:01:50,820 --> 00:01:52,200 planning job in 1971. 31 00:01:52,940 --> 00:01:58,780 So I'm looking forward to the time with you and I hope we can do a lot of productive 32 00:01:58,780 --> 00:02:01,120 things together because this is a beautiful place. 33 00:02:02,100 --> 00:02:08,700 I just didn't let we live down the road a few miles and I'm really happy that I got this opportunity 34 00:02:08,700 --> 00:02:09,660 to be with you. 35 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,260 Well, welcome. 36 00:02:11,620 --> 00:02:11,940 Thank you. 37 00:02:11,940 --> 00:02:14,900 All right. 38 00:02:20,020 --> 00:02:27,500 Well, let's go on with our minutes. I guess glad to see a few of them here. Obviously none of us had ten time to read them. 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,670 Let's can we take a minute or two and look them over? 40 00:02:33,570 --> 00:02:43,070 Sure, Mr. Chair. We were able to capture the August 19, 2025 file with the with the minutes. 41 00:02:43,070 --> 00:02:50,810 and then we did not have a quorum in December of 2025, so the minutes reflect that. 42 00:02:51,130 --> 00:02:54,470 So basically review is the October 29th. 43 00:02:54,990 --> 00:03:02,670 Staff would also like to request a deferral on the May and the June 26 meeting minutes. 44 00:03:02,970 --> 00:03:10,090 There was a snafu with the audio on the recording and IT resolved that issue for me today. 45 00:03:10,090 --> 00:03:18,770 So I asked that we defer the approval of the minutes for May 14th, 2026 in June 11th, 2026 until our next meeting. 46 00:03:19,370 --> 00:03:19,630 Okay. 47 00:03:20,190 --> 00:03:20,530 I don't need a move. 48 00:03:20,770 --> 00:03:20,930 Thank you. 49 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:22,450 All right. 50 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:23,290 So let's get the date. 51 00:03:23,790 --> 00:03:28,270 Make sure we have a date straight on the October meeting. 52 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,220 You've mentioned it a couple of different ways. 53 00:03:33,420 --> 00:03:34,920 What date actually did we meet? 54 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:44,260 So, you are reviewing the draft minutes for October 9th, 1925. I mean, 2025. 55 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,240 Okay. And the ninth is the right date. Okay. 56 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:48,540 Yes. 57 00:04:58,010 --> 00:05:03,190 Mr. Chairman. I do see an error if everyone would look at line 72. 58 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:07,680 I accidentally 59 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:16,180 transpose those dates. So that should read staff will correct the date from May 8th to May 14th. 60 00:05:21,780 --> 00:05:23,680 That's on line 72 61 00:05:54,300 --> 00:06:02,360 well we only have the two sets to do I guess yes sir we 62 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:08,540 will do them individually I'm almost done with this version I'm sorry I'm 63 00:06:08,540 --> 00:06:12,290 slow and 87 64 00:06:50,340 --> 00:06:56,340 give him a he pardon me line 87 give him a he 65 00:06:59,900 --> 00:07:02,140 yep on he I found it 66 00:07:02,140 --> 00:07:03,320 Okay. Thank you, sir. 67 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,700 October 9, meeting minutes, can I get a motion to approve motion 68 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,400 and second by Mr. Fattishen, I guess. 69 00:08:35,370 --> 00:08:38,870 With the corrections that we've already noted, the discussion 70 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:44,530 on the motion. 71 00:08:45,710 --> 00:08:50,010 All in favor, please raise your hands. One, two, three, four. Motion passes, four, zero. 72 00:08:50,430 --> 00:08:50,550 Okay. 73 00:08:50,550 --> 00:09:01,590 Okay, minutes from December 11th, 2025, that was a lack of quorum meeting, pretty simple. 74 00:09:02,410 --> 00:09:04,050 Any additions or corrections to those? 75 00:09:08,420 --> 00:09:08,820 Motion to approve. 76 00:09:09,660 --> 00:09:13,160 The ceremony motion to approve December 11th, 2025, minutes. 77 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:13,720 Okay. 78 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:15,720 Okay. 79 00:09:16,060 --> 00:09:16,440 Discussion. 80 00:09:19,060 --> 00:09:20,340 All in favor, please raise your hands. 81 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,040 One, two, three, four. 82 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:30,610 Mr. Chair. 83 00:09:31,050 --> 00:09:31,470 Yes, ma'am. 84 00:09:31,470 --> 00:09:37,910 I'd like to ask you, sir, if you would like to make a motion to defer on the other two sets, if that would be proper. 85 00:09:38,730 --> 00:09:44,850 We've never done that before. I don't know that that's needed. We just don't have them, so we won't do. Very well. Thank you. 86 00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:47,330 And it just 87 00:09:48,670 --> 00:09:54,250 Yeah, we're Mr. Dugan's benefit. We usually don't sit here and read over the minutes 88 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:57,790 but we've been 89 00:09:57,790 --> 00:10:00,490 and minutes less for a long time, 90 00:10:00,870 --> 00:10:02,710 and I'm just so happy to see a set of minutes 91 00:10:03,610 --> 00:10:05,790 that we took the time to do them. 92 00:10:05,950 --> 00:10:06,890 Usually we get them in the packet 93 00:10:07,270 --> 00:10:11,590 far ahead of time, but sure it's been very busy. 94 00:10:12,110 --> 00:10:14,130 And I'm just glad to see a set of minutes or two, 95 00:10:14,290 --> 00:10:15,070 so we can get caught up 96 00:10:15,070 --> 00:10:18,550 because we have fallen well behind what we should be doing. 97 00:10:19,810 --> 00:10:20,170 Right? 98 00:10:20,510 --> 00:10:22,110 Yeah, we'll be caught up next meeting. 99 00:10:23,710 --> 00:10:24,950 Don't make those great promises. 100 00:10:24,950 --> 00:10:29,070 All right, what's next? 101 00:10:32,890 --> 00:10:33,610 Where do you want to go there? 102 00:10:33,870 --> 00:10:36,330 Let me get it right to paper. 103 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:40,100 Work session. 104 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,220 After in our last meeting, the commission 105 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,180 decided to want to write a letter to the Board of Supervisors 106 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:57,480 asking for some help, some direction. 107 00:11:03,670 --> 00:11:06,470 After about three drafts, I think we finally 108 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:14,090 I got something that the commission members could agree to and we sent that letter, I think last, maybe last Friday. 109 00:11:15,270 --> 00:11:22,450 Yes, we emailed your letter to administration on July the 17th. 110 00:11:28,420 --> 00:11:31,840 So we, I mean, and there's no, I wouldn't expect anything yet, but. 111 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,560 Yes, Mr. Chair and commissioners, I suspect that they'll be gone. 112 00:11:36,660 --> 00:11:41,320 It's coming to us in the coming weeks with the addition of new staff. 113 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,460 So that's what I suspect. 114 00:11:50,220 --> 00:11:57,460 Any comments on the letter and Senate and what we expect or having Mr. 115 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Dougan added to the staff helps the process, but I'm not sure it's going to cure us. 116 00:12:02,820 --> 00:12:10,160 We got lots of things that we need to be about, anything anybody wants to add to that. 117 00:12:22,900 --> 00:12:31,560 Ms. Latoya ripped it up pretty good, my first effort, and improved it tremendously. 118 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,020 So yeah, she helped you with great help with it, too. 119 00:12:55,660 --> 00:12:57,940 Yeah, y'all turn your mics on, Bill, if you don't want to. 120 00:12:57,940 --> 00:12:58,680 I 121 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:12,240 don't know, you know, I said that I would read it to the board at their meeting if that's what they wanted to do, if that's the way they wanted to handle it. 122 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:14,220 I don't know, Sherry, have you heard any? 123 00:13:16,670 --> 00:13:25,310 Yes, so Mr. Chair, the board has their next regular meeting on Tuesday, July 28th, and it is not on the docket for that meeting. 124 00:13:25,310 --> 00:13:34,290 I believe the meeting after that, I'm aware of would be August 3rd maybe, so that's about all I know at this point. 125 00:13:34,750 --> 00:13:35,410 All right, well, let me know. 126 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:36,490 Yes, sir. 127 00:13:36,970 --> 00:13:41,050 Mr. Chair, my understanding is the Board of Supervisors has not seen this letter yet. 128 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:42,910 I must rise to that, yeah. 129 00:13:43,090 --> 00:13:44,410 With the exception of Mr. Patterson. 130 00:13:46,850 --> 00:14:00,770 Mr. Rogers has not yet made it to the Board of Supervisors as of yet, but I did speak with Mr. Rogers today to remind him that the planning commission sent the administration the letter. 131 00:14:01,830 --> 00:14:06,490 And he said that he'll have the clerk send it to the board. Hopefully it'll be there tomorrow. 132 00:14:08,630 --> 00:14:16,170 I mean, one of the major things on there is, you know, it's help we need, but direction 133 00:14:16,170 --> 00:14:21,490 on what direction to go with the comp plan is probably one of the first things we need. 134 00:14:24,410 --> 00:14:29,860 And yeah, that's one of the first things we need from the board, and that needs to come 135 00:14:29,860 --> 00:14:30,320 from the board. 136 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:32,920 Okay. 137 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:38,960 Unfinished business. 138 00:14:40,020 --> 00:14:40,880 You got something to share? 139 00:14:41,860 --> 00:14:43,240 Yes, Mr. Chairman. 140 00:14:43,810 --> 00:14:49,860 The planning commission had asked me to provide an update on a previous Board of Zoning 141 00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:53,580 Appeals public hearing for Mr. Nathaniel Christian. 142 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,980 It's been a while back now, so if you recall, he was requesting a zoning sub... 143 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:27,860 In fact, variance, which the BCA did not, they deferred because they had requested Mr. Christian to do an existing boundary survey. I checked in with Mr. Christian that your request from our last meeting and he still has not paid for or obtained a survey. So that BCA application is still on hold pending him doing so. 144 00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:27,960 Yeah. 145 00:15:33,950 --> 00:15:35,290 Any other unfinished business? 146 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:48,720 Shelly reminded me today that she asked about, was the lawyer going to be here? 147 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:52,540 Chris McKenzie. 148 00:15:53,180 --> 00:16:01,540 And we did talk last time about the solar farm changes by the legislature. 149 00:16:02,860 --> 00:16:09,600 There, I thought we talked back in May or June about the county had to have something 150 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,700 and in place to avoid some bad thing happening to us. 151 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,180 And it was all a hurry to get done. 152 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:21,160 And if it wasn't the last to May, it was the first of June. 153 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,370 We had that discussion and we asked the question 154 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:28,690 about that in the end of June meeting. 155 00:16:30,610 --> 00:16:32,150 And he wasn't around. 156 00:16:32,530 --> 00:16:37,850 And so I do have an update on that, Mr. Chairman. 157 00:16:37,850 --> 00:16:52,190 I understand that there is going to be a battery energy storage system presentation to the board of supervisors by AES at their August 3rd meeting. 158 00:16:52,990 --> 00:16:56,790 Maybe Mr. Patterson can confirm that for me. I did hear that from administration. 159 00:16:56,790 --> 00:17:10,950 So I think once we get the presentation to the Board, the county attorneys will then follow back up with a proposal on the ordinance update on that. 160 00:17:11,410 --> 00:17:14,070 So that is forthcoming and has not been forgotten. 161 00:17:15,430 --> 00:17:19,270 Mr. Chair, what date was that again? You said August 3rd. 162 00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:22,490 When is the board meeting in August, Mr. Patterson? 163 00:17:22,510 --> 00:17:23,210 Oh, the 26. 164 00:17:23,610 --> 00:17:24,470 Oh, the 26. 165 00:17:24,790 --> 00:17:28,070 Do you have a work session on August 3rd? 166 00:17:28,070 --> 00:17:29,130 No, that's a Sunday. 167 00:17:29,490 --> 00:17:32,150 OK, so it would probably be August 26th then. 168 00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:36,150 OK, you have me worried for a silent. 169 00:17:36,850 --> 00:17:40,370 Yeah, I'm trying to remember all the dates that get fired off to me. 170 00:17:40,510 --> 00:17:41,290 Yeah, absolutely. 171 00:17:41,770 --> 00:17:43,770 You'd probably said the 26, yeah. 172 00:17:44,170 --> 00:17:45,670 OK, yeah, sorry, I mean, it's on the 26. 173 00:17:49,690 --> 00:17:50,210 So 174 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,980 Tuesday, the 26th, 26th, 175 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:02,860 4th Tuesday, August 26th, or 25th. 176 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,100 The prime tell us is the 25th. 177 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,660 The Tuesday is the 25th. Sorry, I don't have my phone with me. 178 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,740 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 179 00:18:13,740 --> 00:18:15,680 I'm 2025 calendar right now. 180 00:18:16,060 --> 00:18:16,260 Uh-oh. 181 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,180 That explains it. 182 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:21,800 All right. 183 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,820 Okay, any other anything in business then? 184 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,360 So just to get back to your point, Mr. Chair, 185 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,940 I don't think we're in any jeopardy to be penalized or anything, 186 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,720 but that is something on the list of things to be done. 187 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,800 Well, it wasn't, yeah, it wasn't like a, I mean, 188 00:18:36,900 --> 00:18:42,520 that penalty would be more self-inflicted because it's the way it was presented was, 189 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,240 if you don't have something in your ordinance, then people can just run roughshot over you, 190 00:18:47,620 --> 00:18:50,380 and do something that we may not want to be doing. 191 00:18:50,380 --> 00:18:57,640 But that's the way it came across, I don't remember the particulars, but that's the way 192 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,320 it sounded, and whether it got through the General Assembly, finally, in all their 193 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,560 financial genetic, I don't know, but it 194 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,740 sounded rather ominous towards us and something 195 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:11,600 that we need to be doing. 196 00:19:15,210 --> 00:19:20,270 So I put that up pretty close to the top of list so that Mr. McKinsey can give us some insight 197 00:19:20,270 --> 00:19:20,670 on that one. 198 00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:25,230 Yes, sir, and I can give that to you at our next meeting as unfinished business. 199 00:19:25,230 --> 00:19:25,990 All right. 200 00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:26,750 Give you an update. 201 00:19:28,530 --> 00:19:35,730 We also brought up on changing the zoning on the, 202 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,840 not data centers, but the telephone. 203 00:19:42,660 --> 00:19:51,300 Because if it's left in A1, the county doesn't really get any advantage on the taxes because 204 00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:52,040 of the land. 205 00:19:52,040 --> 00:20:01,180 but if it's moved, a power plant, electrical power plant is always in an industrial center, industrial zone. 206 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:13,310 So, if we move the solar farms into industrial land, the county is going to get more money off of the taxes on the land. 207 00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:24,780 I think that should be moved into that because it is an industrial unit. 208 00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:26,720 It's a pallet plan, 209 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,700 including that part of the discussion when we get to, right, when we get to him with Mr. McKinsey. 210 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:47,280 Yeah, and Mr. Walton is correct that would have to be a zoning ordinance or a text amendment along with the legislation that the county attorney will do for the battery energy sources. 211 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,280 I'm afraid that it will be a bundle. 212 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,460 I'm afraid the state's already trumped somewhere along the way. 213 00:20:51,940 --> 00:20:52,980 That's what's going to happen. 214 00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:56,720 Yeah, the two go hanging and hanging though, you are correct, Mr. Walton. 215 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:57,040 All 216 00:20:59,790 --> 00:21:00,870 right, 217 00:21:05,740 --> 00:21:07,500 and the other unfinished business. 218 00:21:08,460 --> 00:21:10,300 So did I give you an update? 219 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:17,320 I gave you an update on the Board of Supervisors meeting that we'll have on Tuesday. 220 00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:24,980 I will be presenting the SUP that you recommended a favorable approval on to the Board on Tuesday 221 00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:27,300 for the cell tower over here on Monford Road. 222 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:38,720 The Board of Zoning Appeals recently approved, the Board of Zoning Appeals recently approved, 223 00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:47,610 a side-yard setback from Mr. Smalley over on Sturgeon Point Road. 224 00:21:48,190 --> 00:21:57,510 He has a lot that has a road cut through the middle of the parcel that is no, you know, no doing of his own. 225 00:21:57,510 --> 00:22:04,450 So, the BCA did approve a reduced side yours set back and his neighbor did agree to that 226 00:22:04,450 --> 00:22:05,250 with new opposition. 227 00:22:05,610 --> 00:22:07,550 So, they approved that here recently in July. 228 00:22:08,490 --> 00:22:13,150 And then moving on the wetland just to give you some updates on the wetland and Chas Bay board. 229 00:22:13,570 --> 00:22:19,310 They also approved a Chas Bay permit for Mr. Smalley. 230 00:22:19,550 --> 00:22:23,290 Also, Mr. Smalley, he's down on the James River over here on Sturgeon Point Road. 231 00:22:23,290 --> 00:22:30,070 They approved him to do some repairs to his failing bulkhead and to do some updates to 232 00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:31,350 his boat rampant, his pier. 233 00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:36,750 They also extended a wetland permit. 234 00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:43,570 If you recall, we a few years back did a wetland permit for the colonial gas, natural gas pipeline 235 00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:44,150 down here. 236 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:46,190 Route five, there's a wetland near the bridge. 237 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:52,670 That permit expired and the wetland took action to renew that permit for them to do 238 00:22:52,670 --> 00:22:57,910 preventative maintenance on the pipeline for another five years, so they extended that. 239 00:22:59,250 --> 00:23:04,530 And then lastly, I have some updates for you on the .1 data center plan reviews. 240 00:23:06,050 --> 00:23:12,710 Staff provided on July 8th plan review comments on the mask grading plan. 241 00:23:12,850 --> 00:23:16,470 There's three sets of plans that we currently have in house that are on to review. 242 00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:23,490 one is the mask grading plan for phase one and staff gave plain review comments to 243 00:23:23,490 --> 00:23:29,330 the engineer who's Bowman on July the 8th. The second plan is a mask grading plan 244 00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:35,610 for phase two of their project and plain review comments went out to them on July 20th. 245 00:23:36,220 --> 00:23:42,610 We're waiting revisions on that as well and then lastly the construction set for phase one. 246 00:23:42,610 --> 00:23:45,910 and we gave plain review comments on July 16th. 247 00:23:46,010 --> 00:23:47,510 So we've been very busy in July, 248 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:51,630 but we'll submit revisions on that plan as well. 249 00:23:52,270 --> 00:23:53,630 So of the three sets of plans, 250 00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:55,850 all the plain review comments have been sent back 251 00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:58,350 to the engineer and they're all three waiting revisions 252 00:23:58,350 --> 00:23:59,270 from the engineer. 253 00:23:59,910 --> 00:24:01,590 And that's all I have, Mr. Chairman. 254 00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:07,030 When we last met, there was some comment about reapplying, 255 00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:09,310 possibility of it. 256 00:24:10,790 --> 00:24:12,070 Reapplying, what do you mean? 257 00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:19,770 1.1. I didn't have something ready. Oh, resum middle. Resum middle, whatever. Yeah, that's the 258 00:24:19,770 --> 00:24:27,070 resum middle on these three plans. Okay. Yeah. Those are resum middle. Okay. Yeah. Okay. 259 00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:33,530 There's still active plans. Were we talking about maybe the number of reviews or something? 260 00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:41,950 I think it was they had a couple of reviews and they didn't pass muster and 261 00:24:41,950 --> 00:24:45,070 and get it down to their final opportunity or something? 262 00:24:45,370 --> 00:24:48,150 Yeah, so we are still accepting revisions 263 00:24:48,150 --> 00:24:49,870 on those plans going forward, 264 00:24:49,870 --> 00:24:51,470 so that's not gonna be an issue. 265 00:24:53,410 --> 00:24:53,690 Okay. 266 00:25:03,490 --> 00:25:05,810 Any others unfinished? 267 00:25:06,450 --> 00:25:08,110 New business, either one? 268 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:13,980 Mr. Chair, I do have a question about the status 269 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:19,680 of the C5 data center and where they are along the process. 270 00:25:20,980 --> 00:25:23,520 Yes, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Patterson. 271 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:30,420 C5 is another data center that was applied for with Bruce Howard construction. 272 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:38,320 That plan is ready for final approval execution, pending some deliverables that were waiting 273 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:46,580 on from the applicant such as their performance bond and their BMP agreements and a citing 274 00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:47,060 agreement. 275 00:25:47,060 --> 00:25:53,980 but it is ready to be approved. It's met the plan review criteria and the plan said it is ready to be executed. 276 00:26:08,270 --> 00:26:11,710 All that have you got some more staff updates or reports you want to give us? 277 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:14,720 We've gone through them all, I guess. 278 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:17,500 I think I have covered all my bases, Mr. Chairman. 279 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,620 Public comments? 280 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:31,360 No, not long as everybody gets a chance. 281 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,960 Okay. Thank you, Lloyd. 282 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:50,720 Yes, Mr. Davis? 283 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,800 I'm here to talk again about reversing by-right. 284 00:26:56,910 --> 00:26:58,930 It's a bad idea to have by-right. 285 00:26:59,130 --> 00:27:03,470 There is no public hearing for individual product projects. 286 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,210 We residents lose our voice. 287 00:27:07,450 --> 00:27:10,630 The board loses its ability to negotiate conditions. 288 00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:15,350 Every site is treated the same, regardless of location. 289 00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:19,150 There's less control over noise, lighting, and appearance. 290 00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:24,690 There is heavy construction traffic which impacts the roads. 291 00:27:25,690 --> 00:27:34,250 There is a demand on electric infrastructure, possible impact on our wonderful water. 292 00:27:36,050 --> 00:27:37,670 Changes the rural landscape. 293 00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:43,690 There are few permanent jobs compared to the land that is used. 294 00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:46,850 The land is tied up for decades. 295 00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:54,410 There is less flexibility for future boards, reduces transparency and public trust. 296 00:27:55,150 --> 00:28:01,870 And future generations are bound by today's positions and decisions. 297 00:28:02,590 --> 00:28:04,930 It doesn't mean the project is right. 298 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:08,610 It means that public loses its opportunity to be heard. 299 00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:16,370 Decisions of that size deserve public review and not automatic approval. 300 00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:19,810 please reverse by right for data centers. 301 00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:20,990 Thank you. 302 00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:21,690 Thank you. 303 00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:25,010 Brandy Moreno. 304 00:28:33,650 --> 00:28:34,010 Hello. 305 00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:38,670 So I just have a couple statements, possibly questions. 306 00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:43,490 Regarding C5 LLC, I'm really confused after looking at the plans. 307 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:44,110 There's no parking. 308 00:28:45,070 --> 00:28:47,750 So unless it's been updated, how can that be approved? 309 00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:50,390 That's just weird to me. 310 00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:52,690 Like, I mean, data centers don't employ many people. 311 00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:55,690 and there's usually only at max 30 per shift, 312 00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:57,990 including security, but they still have to somewhere to park. 313 00:28:59,290 --> 00:29:01,650 So that's puzzling to me. 314 00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:04,690 They also, on the original plans that I looked 315 00:29:04,690 --> 00:29:08,990 out back in June, don't have, they're missing some things 316 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:13,370 on their plans in comparison, especially to the point ones 317 00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:17,790 and the previous valued plan, like there's 318 00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:20,950 no markings for backup generation for power. 319 00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:35,210 So, you know, it's just weird, and it leads one to think that, given who the owner of that project is, is something weird going on there, and that's concerning. 320 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:49,080 Related to point one, I don't think this county understands the mess it's going to get in with data centers. 321 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:59,980 especially a project like .1. And unfortunately, like Pat said, it's in a 322 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:20,780 We don't get to say. So they can come in and they can destroy the land, they can destroy the wetlands, they can make barnets flood, because that's what's going to happen. Because when you take away the natural resources, aka the trees and the land that's there, and the swamp that's been there for decades, water is going to go downstream. 323 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:30,770 And it's disheartening, it's disheartening to think that we're just going to throw away our environment for that. 324 00:30:30,770 --> 00:30:34,690 But at what point do we grow backbone as a county? 325 00:30:35,530 --> 00:30:40,030 I think in the last year and a half, a lot of citizens have come out and they've said, we don't want data centers here. 326 00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:43,450 There's a lot of risk to them. 327 00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:52,130 We're not just talking environmental, we're talking health risks, risks to the county, financial risks that we don't even know about because we're in an empty county. 328 00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:53,030 Let's face it. 329 00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:57,150 I mean, we have to buy participation awards for our financial presentations. 330 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:09,310 How can we effectively as a county managing project is big as 0.1 when we can't even get the stuff inside the county right? 331 00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:18,190 That's concerning and it's sad because you guys don't get to say you give that right up, thank you. 332 00:31:23,850 --> 00:31:24,630 Fraser Floyd. 333 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:48,980 I share Mrs. Morano's concerns about point one and C5 LLC because I also looked at site plan and didn't see any parking on there and nowhere did it indicate, like she said, it probably had 334 00:31:50,340 --> 00:32:01,860 maybe 8% of the detail that point one site plan had as far as power generation where the backup generators would be, it didn't have any of that. 335 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,400 on there, and it had no parking. 336 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,180 And that is a requirement for a site plan review, I think. 337 00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:11,820 So I'm a little puzzled how that one is ready for approval. 338 00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:20,620 And 0.1, I just want to say again that a natural gas power 339 00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:24,740 plant is not a by right use, even if it's 340 00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:27,220 in an industrial zoned area. 341 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,920 So just because they're calling it a data center 342 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,360 there doesn't make it by right. 343 00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:35,460 The data center part might be, 344 00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:37,460 but the natural gas power plant that they're building, 345 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,460 which is more than the data center on the site plan, 346 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,320 it's not by right. 347 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,260 It requires a public hearing and SUP, 348 00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:50,340 and no one in the county administration, 349 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,700 this commission, the Board Supervisor, 350 00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:55,860 no one seems to be talking about that or even care, 351 00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:58,520 that they're slinging in a natural gas power plant 352 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,520 And we've already defeated what three in the past. 353 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,800 I know at least two in that same area. 354 00:33:06,340 --> 00:33:09,620 And now we're just allowing it to come in by right. 355 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,740 That's not right. 356 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,800 There's nothing right about that. 357 00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:27,500 And I also want to echo what Mrs. Marano said that point one is so beyond the scope of what 358 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:36,980 But this county can handle and understand we, these people, these developers, they're so 359 00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:45,140 big and they have an answer for everything and this is a small rural agricultural county. 360 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,180 It's not the place there. 361 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,100 When I worked for the cooperative extension in Florida and in Virginia, we had a saying, 362 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,880 the right plant in the right place, that any plant can be a weed, even a rose bush could 363 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,380 be a weed if it's planted in the wrong place. And I think with planning the right project 364 00:34:02,380 --> 00:34:10,680 in the right place is the same thing. And it is a valuable thing to consider when you 365 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:16,480 look at a project like that. Does something like that belong on wetlands where there's 366 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,860 a perennial stream where there are three intermittent streams. That area acts as a natural stormwater 367 00:34:21,860 --> 00:34:26,820 our management system for the county and it does it for free and we're just going to 368 00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:34,820 pay over it and call it make it all impervious because it's by right but just because it's 369 00:34:34,820 --> 00:34:42,080 by right is make it right. That's my point and the power plant is not by right and I'd like 370 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:48,860 to see someone from this commission bring that up to the board because it's not it's not 371 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:54,100 It's not in the ordinances, it's not in the zoning, it's not allowed, it's an SUP, and you all know it. 372 00:34:55,340 --> 00:35:04,900 So, I'd appreciate if somebody would take some initiative on that besides me, and I'm banging the drum every month on it, so, thank you for your time. 373 00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:05,640 Thank you. 374 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,420 Anyone else have a public comment? 375 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,480 Mr. Chair, is this a, is this being streamed or recorded? 376 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:14,620 it? 377 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:25,100 Is this being streamed? Yes. Okay so it can be found on I guess our YouTube or the county website. 378 00:35:26,260 --> 00:35:26,480 All right. 379 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,520 Yes, Mr. Chair, Mr. Patterson. The decision was made by administration 380 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:40,880 earlier this year that we would begin recording these proceedings in the same manner that the Board 381 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:47,320 of supervisors meetings are recorded. So we are alive. We have audio and video during 382 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,560 these sessions now. 383 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:51,600 Thank you. 384 00:35:58,330 --> 00:35:59,410 Good question. I 385 00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:07,350 can check with administration for you, 386 00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:11,910 Ms. Davis, and give you information on where to find those. Yes, ma'am. 387 00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:20,050 No other public comments? We're down to commissioners comments. 388 00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:25,560 All right. 389 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,840 Do you have an application's 390 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,980 For the next meeting, for. 391 00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:43,980 No, Mr. Chair, currently, community development has no applications for public hearing at this time. 392 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:52,900 Okay, so the need to meet the second Thursday in August, probably not there, 393 00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:56,670 we don't need to meet unless 394 00:37:00,670 --> 00:37:02,210 there are some things we want to work on. 395 00:37:02,210 --> 00:37:08,770 Yeah. Aren't we still waiting for language on the BESS from Mr. McKenzie? 396 00:37:09,970 --> 00:37:15,230 Oh, yeah. I mean, we were going to have that June 11th, I think. We were expecting 397 00:37:15,230 --> 00:37:19,550 that June 11th. Yeah, I would not hear anything from him. I don't know what to. 398 00:37:19,850 --> 00:37:21,470 Right. All right. So, 399 00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:26,660 all right. So if the attorney has some things we need to be acting 400 00:37:26,660 --> 00:37:29,920 on fairly quickly, that would be a good excuse to meet. 401 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:36,000 I think we need to initiate concerning amendments immediately, don't we? 402 00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:37,260 Oh, on that. 403 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:37,580 Yeah. 404 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,660 It's way sounded, but no one else seems to be excited about it. 405 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:49,680 Does anyone have their scheduled meeting schedule in their binder? 406 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,220 What you looking for? 407 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,000 For the next state that you want to meet. 408 00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:56,660 Whatever the second Thursday in August is. 409 00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:16,400 Okay thank you so primarily we'd be looking for an update for Mr. Mackenzie regarding especially some of the legislative updates, legislative 410 00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:19,240 actions, 411 00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:21,810 right? 412 00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:24,230 Yes I'll put in that requester. 413 00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:29,770 All right and no applications to deal with and maybe we'll hear something back from Board Supervisor by then I don't know. 414 00:38:30,690 --> 00:38:33,050 And we'll have a couple more minutes to look at. 415 00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:34,190 Yep, all right. 416 00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:40,370 So next meeting will be August 13th at 6.30 p.m., August 13th. 417 00:38:41,050 --> 00:38:42,030 I think that's what we said. 418 00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:43,470 Let me make sure we go back again. 419 00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:46,110 Yep, August 13th. 420 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,380 Anything else to gain our attention tonight? 421 00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:01,580 Mr. Chairman, staff would just like to note the Mr. 422 00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:06,000 Clyde Miles joined us this evening so we will mark him present. 423 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,660 Thank you, Mr. Miles. 424 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:12,960 Mr. Miles, did you have the opportunity to meet our new community development director, Mr. Dugan? 425 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:13,420 I have not. 426 00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:19,920 He is sitting right here and we are proud to have him, so Mr. Dugan, this is Mr. Clyde, Lenny Miles. 427 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:21,640 Nice to meet you. 428 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,200 Thank you. 429 00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:24,700 All right. 430 00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:25,700 With that, we are adjourned. 431 00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:26,560 Thank you all.