[1:46] Call this January 27th, 2026 meeting of city council to order. Madame clerk, [1:52] will you please call the role? >> Council member Greg [1:54] » here. >> Council member Sheileely here. [1:56] » Council member McBride, Council Member Pokeet, Council Member Brady, Council [2:01] Member De Allesandre >> here. Council member Wearing, Council [2:05] Member Seekings, Council Member Tinkler, Council Member Bowen, Council Member of [2:10] Hell, Council Member Scardan here. >> Mayor Cogwell [2:14] » here. Uh, I was going to call on Council Member [2:18] Brady to give the invocation. Um, is he online or No, [2:24] he's not. Has anyone seen him tonight? Is he [2:29] Oh, Disandro. Okay, never mind. Uh, I'd like to call [2:33] on Council Member De Allesandro to give the invocation and lead everybody in the [2:37] pledge. >> Should I just bend over like this? All [2:41] right. >> Yeah, [2:46] » on this day of remembrance, let us think of those that were unable to escape [2:51] horrendous injustices. Let us think of those forced into horrendous injustices. [2:57] Let us leaders at the local, state, and federal levels have compassion for those [3:02] wanting a safe and hopeful life. Let us listen to these lyrics by David David [3:08] Ben Ruven about one of the greatest humanitarians, [3:12] Raul Wallenburgg. Raul, we thank you. We will never we [3:17] never shall forget how you came to help us in our distress. Like an angel of [3:23] rescue, like a shining star. May the Lord protect you wherever you are. We [3:30] were so helpless, knowing not what to do, but unhesitatingly [3:35] you ran to save us Jews. Raul, we love you, though you're far away. Raul, we [3:43] want you back with us one day. Raul, we bless you for the thousands you saved. [3:50] With your steadfast courage and the example you gave, we shall always [3:55] remember you. We shall never forget. Your name will live on with us forever [4:01] in your debt. Lost in the goolog, disappeared without [4:06] trace. But here in our hearts, you have pride and place. Amen. [4:12] » Amen. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the [4:17] United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation [4:23] under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [4:28] » Well done. >> Thanks. [4:32] Okay, I would like to call on uh Taier Jud who [4:39] is the chief executive officer the Jewish Federation of the Greater [4:43] Charleston and um who woman who needs no introduction uh businesswoman and [4:48] philanthropist Anita Zucker um along with other community members to join me [4:54] up here on the podium if you would. [4:59] Tonight we are uh honoring the International [5:06] Holocaust Remembrance Day. [5:15] Whereas January 27th is recognized by the United Nations in the international [5:20] community as International Holocaust Remembrance Day, marking the anniversary [5:26] of the liberation of Awitz in 1945. And whereas the Holocaust stands as one [5:32] of the history's most devastating manifestations of state sponsored [5:37] hatred, resulting in the systemic murder of six million Jews and millions of [5:44] other victims, including Roma people with disabilities, political dissident, [5:49] LGBTQ individuals, and others targeted by Nazi ideology. [5:56] And whereas the Holocaust did not begin with violence alone, but with words, [6:03] policies, and the gradual erosion of democratic norms, human dignity, and [6:10] truth. Whereas remembrance is not a passive act [6:16] but a moral obligation that compels societies to confront the consequences [6:23] of hatred, anti-semitism, indifference, both past and present. [6:30] And whereas anti-semitism and other forms of hate continue to threaten [6:35] communities across the United States and around the world, making Holocaust [6:40] education and remembrance urgent civic responsibilities rather than historical [6:47] formalities. And whereas education, commemoration, [6:52] and civic leadership play a vital role in fostering empathy, safeguarding [6:58] democratic values, and ensuring that future generations understand both the [7:03] history of the Holocaust and the dangers of silence in the face of injustice. [7:10] And whereas the city of Charleston affirms its commitment to human dignity, [7:15] dignity, pluralism, and the responsibility of local government to [7:20] stand clearly and publicly against hatred in all of its forms. Now, [7:26] therefore, I, William S. Cogwell, mayor of Charleston, do hereby proclaim [7:30] January 27th, 2026 is International Holocaust Remembrance [7:37] Day. Would [7:42] you like would you like to say a few words or a meeting? [7:48] We can all light our candles here. Would you like [7:57] » I'm sorry I'm not prepared with words in front of me, but I can tell you that my [8:01] parents were Holocaust survivors. So this day is very important to me. I have [8:07] been in Ashvitz Burka now. It is it was so powerfully upsetting to be there at a [8:15] time like we're celebrating and commemorating at this moment. I greatly [8:20] appreciate all of you in the city of Charleston for what you do for us as [8:24] members of the Jewish community. Your love and your caring and the fact that [8:28] we are having an event like this today means so much to my family and to our [8:33] community. Thank you for keeping us as part of our community because we have a [8:38] rich heritage here in Charleston and we thank you so much and look forward to [8:42] many years of working together and then to never forget what has happened in the [8:47] past so we can never allow it to happen again. Thank you all so much. [9:11] Thank you. >> Absolutely. [9:23] Okay. We have one more proclamation. Uh, tonight I'd like to ask Coach Daryl [9:30] Kapton. Kapton. [9:34] » Oh, yeah. I'm ready. And the West Ashley Junior Wild Cats [9:40] teams and their coach. Come on in, guys. Come on in. [9:46] Come on up. How are you, man? Good to see you. Like that medal. See you. Good [9:53] to see you. Good to see you. >> How are you, man? Good to see you. Are [9:58] you Daryl? >> How are you, man? Oh, [10:04] » champions tackle guys. I like it. >> Got the crew here, man. [10:09] » You like it? Gentlemen, gentlemen, you [10:15] see you can see you. See you. All right. Come on up, coach. Man, you got to get [10:23] on stage. [10:29] » See you. >> How you doing, man? Hey, man. I see you. [10:37] All right. All right, Wildcats. Whereas the city of Charleston proudly [10:44] recognizes the city of Charleston West Ashley Jr. Wildcats for their [10:50] exceptional accomplishments during the 2025 athletic season. And whereas the [10:57] Junior Wildcats demonstrated extraordinary dedication, teamwork, [11:01] discipline, and sportsmanship by completing the 2025 season with an [11:07] undefeated record of 18 wins and zero losses. [11:15] Boys are going to go to Indiana. And whereas the junior wildcat success [11:21] extended beyond the field with 14 players selected the allstar team and 16 [11:28] student athletes achieving A or AB honor role recognition exemplifying excellence [11:35] in both athletics and academic. [11:42] Whereas this outstanding season reflects the commitment and leadership of the [11:46] coaching staff. Daryl Capleton. That right? [11:50] » All right. All right. All right. All right. [11:53] Kevin Gle Gers, Peter. Y'all got hard names. Peter Fami, Jeff Buncher, and [12:01] Daryl Scott. Right. Let's all give the coaches a round of applause. [12:11] Whereas the city of Charleston Junior Wildcats roster. Great. I got a lot of [12:15] names tonight, guys. Adrien Yates. Y'all y'all raise your hand when I call. Okay. [12:21] Adrien Yates, Aiden Joiner, Amir Kohl's, [12:27] Bo Buncher, Carter Washington, Chance Moore, Carter, Connor Lee, Grayson [12:35] Capton, Capton, Hudson Payne, Hampton Raul, Jacob Fami, Camille Smalls, Kyle [12:44] Smalls, Mason White, Michael Lane, Maverick Mims, Miguel Kimber, [12:50] Morgan Bernett, Amari Jones, Peter Fame, RJ Williams, Richie Richardson, [12:58] Remington Herk, Herkham, Sincere Scott, Zayn Simmons, TJ Goodwin, and Wyatt [13:05] Massie represent the very best of Charleston's youth youth through their [13:10] hard work, perseverance, and character. Let's give them a round of applause. [13:24] And now for the drum roll. I, William S. Cogwell mayor of the city of Charleston [13:27] hereby commends and congratulates the junior wildcats on their undefeated 2025 [13:34] season and recognizes their remarkable achievements, encouraging them to [13:39] continue striving for excellence in athletics, academics, and community [13:44] leadership and another undefeated season next year. [laughter] [13:54] You want to say something? Say a few words. [13:57] » I just want to say thank you for recognizing the boys. I also want to [14:01] just tell the boys, man, I'm so proud of y'all and y'all season. Thank y'all so [14:04] much, man. I couldn't have a better group of boys on the field and off the [14:08] field, man. Thank y'all so much for letting me coach y'all. [14:11] » Amen. Let's get Let's get a picture with the uh [14:17] You hold this. You hold that out front. Gota show got to show the golden sealer [14:22] there, man. [14:26] » Boys up front. [14:29] » Look at the camera. Camera. [14:34] » Which one? [14:38] » All right, guys. [14:44] » See you next. Come on, you guys. [14:56] » You're good. [15:00] » Good, man. [15:16] » Not [15:24] Good job, boys. >> Thank you, coaches. [15:34] » Very well. I mean, yeah. [15:43] All right. [15:48] That's impressive. [15:58] All right, we have we have one more uh presentation or recognition that I [16:06] missed here when I was first going through the agenda, but I cannot [16:13] wait for this one. So, um, I'd like to call on Councilman Wearing for a very, [16:20] very special surprise recognition. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, at the [16:26] employee recognition breakfast, uh, last week, we had probably the most key [16:32] person to the numbers in this city that we all know and respect that burns the [16:36] midnight oil. She got recognized at the breakfast, but we'd like to call her up [16:41] for a little special recognition right now. Amy Wharton [17:04] Congratulations. [17:24] for the guards to keep this city moving. And I think everybody around in this [17:30] room uh appreciates and understands just how much you do for the city of [17:34] Charleston. So, we wanted to have you up here, embarrass the hell out of you, and [17:38] say thank you and say thank you. Let's give her a round of applause. [17:47] » If you want to give a speech, you can. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate the [17:50] recognition. You know that I hate to be the center of attention. So anyway, but [17:54] thank you so much. I really, really appreciate it. And you know, I've been [17:56] here 25 years. I love the city. I love everything I do. And I love working with [18:01] all of my people. So, thank you very much. [18:03] » Yeah. Thank you. [18:23] All right, we are now on to public hearings. There are nine public hearings [18:28] tonight. Uh, Christopher Morgan, you could join us and present. [18:38] Get the slides going here. [18:48] you, mayor, members of council. [18:53] Here we go. [19:02] All right. So, the uh first item is uh 2089 Savage Road and 2083 Savage Road. [19:08] This is a recently acquired property that the city has for our future um uh [19:13] vehicle maintenance facility, police vehicle maintenance facility. I believe [19:17] we have a map here if this will advance for me. There we go. It is um adjacent [19:23] to um an existing business park. This is an undeveloped property. Uh it is within [19:29] very close proximity to I526 as you see in the red line in the middle there and [19:33] it is accessed off of Savage Road. It would come into the city with the zoning [19:39] of business park which would allow for that kind of vehicle maintenance and be [19:42] compatible with the adjoining business park adjacent to it. Um and that is we [19:49] had a couple images of it vacant lot and then we move on into some residential [19:53] annexations. We have uh 1031 Terracotta which would come into the city with a [19:58] zoning of SR2. We have images of that. [20:04] And then we have um603 Jasmine which would come into the city [20:08] also with SR2. All in West Ashley. Then we have [20:13] Ironstone Alley 2016 Ironstone Alley which would come in as SR2. [20:20] And then we have um 4037 Kaolan Street uh which would come in the city as SR2 [20:28] and then its nearby neighbor of 4045 Kolan Street also SR2 [20:36] and then uh 875 Trent Street SR1. Here it is. [20:43] and then um 1442 Edgewater uh drive and that would come in the city as SR1 [20:51] and then 23 Furman Drive SR1 as well. Those are the public hearings for this [20:57] evening. [21:01] » Okay, madam clerk, do we have people that have signed up to speak on the [21:04] public hearings? >> Um I believe we have two. There are some [21:08] people who signed up, I think, that need to speak during citizens participation. [21:12] These are just for the properties that Christopher presented. Um, so I would [21:18] say around two. >> Okay. So, give give uh each speaker a [21:21] minute and a half. Uh, just remind everybody the rules of decorum. We're [21:25] here to hear uh your comments. Uh, we ask you to adhere to the rules of [21:29] decorum. If you do not, do not interact directly with council members. I will [21:34] give you one warning. If you persist um we will uh have you we will ask you to [21:41] leave the meeting. So madame clerk please call the first speaker. [21:45] » All right. Anthony G. Bryant. [21:53] » We hope that the people on the side identify themselves for speech. I'm here [21:57] to talk to the rules of the quorum. Um we're here to talk to the rules of the [22:02] quorum before I speak. If I'm the minute 50, then I missed it. Supreme Court of [22:07] South Carolina saying Anthony G Bryant, we paid our property taxes. [22:12] Ag Bryant Group Inc. S760 out of Goose Creek. A senator authored a [22:18] bill for for criminal enterprises. 223 Cor 29403 [22:25] S85 is the threshold [22:29] for juvenile juvenile street gangs from 5 to three. [22:34] you if you look into Charleston County records that I physical the said address [22:38] in my minor years I would qualify from August 8th 2025 until January 20th [22:47] 2026 before you right now an author of a bill in Berkeley County we annex in [22:53] Berkeley County the author of the bill was in Berkeley County we annex in the [22:57] Berkeley County for Daniels Island for rich white people and Anthony G Bryant [23:02] gets An inquire you made on him. I think the law about me. It's Anthony G. Bryant [23:06] law. That's why I'm here to tell the rules of the corner. You identify this. [23:09] You go to the corner. Who are they and why are they here for our speech? [23:15] » Muhammad Dice [23:28] evening. I apologize for the typo in the paper [23:34] that I gave you and [23:38] I will take time to correct the wrong in this writing. So I apologize. [23:46] I do not have anything else to say tonight. Thank you. [23:50] » Right. Was there anyone else who needed to speak to any of the public hearings? [23:54] We'll have citizens participation later. This is just on the properties that [23:58] Christopher just presented. I think that's all we have. [24:03] » So move one through nine. >> Second. [24:05] » Motion made. Probably second to accept um items one through nine. Um any [24:11] further discussion? If none, all those in favor signify by saying I. [24:14] » I. >> Opposed. [24:16] » I. >> Eyes have it. Uh moving on, we are now [24:20] on to uh council minutes. Motion made, properly seconded. Any [24:26] further discussion? If none, all those in favor signify by saying I. [24:30] » Opposed? Have it. We're now on to citizens participation period. Madam [24:35] clerk, how many people do we have signed up on this one? [24:37] » All right, we have about six. >> All right, we'll keep it at a minute and [24:41] a half. Uh, again, just remind people of the rules of decorum and look forward to [24:46] hearing from uh you all. Madam clerk, please call the [24:49] first. >> All right. Anthony G. Bryant. [24:57] think that my mom and daddy paid for that house in 1968 for the three boys [25:02] and to be said humiliated at my door. I'm not like no preacher. [25:10] I'm not going to be praying with nobody. You come to my daddy door with this out [25:16] of Berkeley County. the senator out of Williamsburg County, your brother [25:21] on this law. Our young people in this city are poor [25:25] and have nothing. You put three of them together in a fight downtown, all them [25:30] going to jail and their parents. They're a felon, but they're a felon in the city [25:35] of Charleston. They'll go to jail under this law. [25:38] I'm here to submit to you that I'm not going to let that go down in my block on [25:44] North Charleston with high school there. People are catching. They can't even [25:47] afford Jesus no more around. They can't afford rent. They can't afford nothing. [25:50] They can't afford God. And I bear witness to you today that [25:55] I'll stand tall of that. My father raised the man, not a boy at that house. [26:00] I'll stand tall of that. You understand me? There will be no marching and [26:03] preaching over me. Muhammad Dice. [26:14] » Frank Walsh. >> Thank you. Frank Walsh, 22-year resident [26:19] of South Carolina and Charleston. Last Friday night, my wife and I attended the [26:24] symphony at with us was a couple. He's blind. [26:30] The Galeyard, the average age there at the symphony is about 110. [26:36] Uh the building itself has staircases. It was probably built before ADA. It's [26:42] probably ATA compliant. However, given the age of the people who attend there, [26:47] it's very difficult place to empty. There was a fire alarm. Um if it had [26:54] been a real alarm, I wouldn't be here to talk today. I was one of the last people [26:59] out. It took quite a while. like to talk to somebody later on another day about [27:05] what can be done and what we saw as wrong. Not going to take your time now. [27:10] Thank you. And the next speaker um I believe the [27:15] first name is James. They're here to speak on CarMax. [27:32] Hello. Uh, James Rogers. Um, I've lived in Charleston since 1967 [27:38] in a Melrose subdivision. Since then, I've got married and and moved back to [27:44] Melrose in 1989. Before there was a Lexus dealership to [27:49] the south of me and a CarMax to the north of me. Um, actually I don't have a [27:55] problem with neither one except that the entrance [28:00] to Lexus is on Melrose Drive and and there's a slew of traffic that um is [28:06] used by employees um people doing uh maintenance on the cars there and test [28:12] driving them and such. Um, and then before Lexus was CarMax and CarMax, once [28:20] again, I don't have a problem with CarMax, but they put the entrance right [28:24] across the street from Edetoan Avenue. They didn't put it out on Savannah [28:28] Highway. Actually, that's the only entrance into CarMax is from Sav Savage [28:34] Drove, which is adjacent to the end of Edana Avenue. So, [28:40] what type of traffic do we get from this track of trailers hauling cars that use [28:46] Edetoan Avenue all the time? I got pictures to to to prove it. Um, we've [28:52] had multiple car haulers stop on Edetoan Avenue to unload their cars. I mean, how [28:59] how how safe is that? It's not safe. It's it's a residential road. We have [29:04] » time. Can I speak a little louder, please? [29:07] give you a little bit. Yeah. >> Okay. Um no no um commercial vehicle [29:12] signs from one end of the street to the other. And now they want to put a [29:16] parking lot on the end E1 Avenue. Once again, I'm not opposed to the parking [29:21] lot, but the entrance and exit is is now on Edom Avenue. The first rendition that [29:27] we were aware of back in March of 2025 was on Savage Road, which we have no [29:35] problem with. They want to put the parking lot. Great. [29:38] » But they they've moved the the ex exit entrance [29:43] onto Edon Avenue. We we got too much traffic on Ed. [29:49] » Brian Helman. [29:54] » Hi Brian Helman. I'm actually here on behalf of CarMax. I think there are a [29:57] couple other people that have signed up to speak and I could respond to any of [30:00] the comments they have if it would be better for me to speak last or I can [30:05] respond to any questions or comments anyone has here today. But CarMax uh is [30:11] is uh annexing and right now it's in the county is annexing its main property [30:16] into the city and annexing two other parcels uh as a way to deal with [30:21] overflow. CarMax does not unload on Edetoan, but its entrance does, the curb [30:27] cut does line up with Edetoan, and that's where this uh extra parking would [30:32] uh would line up for better traffic flow. Originally, as the gentleman said, [30:37] the entrance was on Savage, but through the design process, it was suggested to [30:43] relocate the entrance for better traffic flow so that the curb cuts line up with [30:48] Pedaline. So, that's why it moved. it works better. It actually allows CarMax [30:53] more uh uh flow on their properties so that uh the deliveries will actually [30:59] work better for the neighborhood and improve uh a situation that's there in [31:05] » Thank you, >> Michael Wiggins. [31:16] Michael Wiggins and I live in Marrow also. I'm here to let y'all know that if [31:21] they do put that entrance on the Edoman Avenue [31:25] back in 2011, I requested a study. We have Long Branch and Shasbury [31:31] subdivision that uses Manola in Merose. Go to Merose Drive, then take a left on [31:37] Edan Avenue to cut through. They did the survey. 12-hour time, 1,793 [31:47] cars went to that intersection. This was 2011. [31:52] Now, they're wanting to put an entrance and an exit on Edetoan Avenue for [31:56] CarMax. Like Jimmy said, I ain't got a problem [31:59] CarMax putting a lot there. They're going to have 106 parking spaces. [32:05] Put it on Savage Road. We are a residential subdivision. We do not need [32:10] any more traffic on Adelana Avenue. Thank you. [32:16] » All right. And that was everyone that we had signed up for tonight. We did [32:19] receive two comments online. One was from Mr. Bryant, which was sent to [32:24] council in full. Um, and then we also received a comment from a citizen who [32:28] felt that the first amendment ordinance was excessive and interfered with their [32:33] first amendment rights to freedom of speech and public assembly and petition. [32:37] And those were all the comments that we received. [32:42] » Okay. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Um, [32:48] » uh, Councilman Sheiley, >> can I ask a question on item 12? [32:53] » Um, just wanted to ask and and want to thank Mr. Rogers and Mr. Wiggins for [32:58] coming and speaking tonight from from Melrose. I'm hearing from some people in [33:02] in Melrose. And I guess I just want to ask the question of why would there not [33:08] be ingress egress off of Savage Road rather than Edawan? [33:14] Mr. Morgan, can you speak to this? [33:25] » Sir, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Sheily. So, it's my understanding that there is an [33:29] improvement coming to Savage Road, extra turn lanes, and so the county when they [33:35] were working on that improvement suggested that the driveway would be [33:39] better off of Edetoan than on Savage. That that would help with the traffic [33:42] flow better uh to have it around the corner. And it does line up on Edetoan [33:46] with their current access point. And of course all the discussion about [33:51] unloading of things, this new expansion will allow for more room for that [33:55] unloading to happen. So that should help traffic flow as well. [33:58] » Okay. Would will the trailers will there be a way to [34:04] control which side they come in off of on come off of Savage rather than going [34:09] down Melrose Drive coming through the neighborhood with these tractor [34:12] trailers? >> And Mr. Helman may have more info on [34:16] this about the uh way the uh site is being organized, but it was my [34:21] understanding the trailers were going to unload on the CarMax proper site in [34:26] general. Um and this was other overflow parking on the Edetoan site for other [34:30] vehicles and employees and things like that. [34:32] » But for clarity, this is what we're considering tonight is annexation. [34:37] And uh this will allow us the opportunity to review and scrutinize any [34:43] future site plan that is proposed. Uh so this is the beginning of the process of [34:49] design. So respect the opinion and appreciate you all coming out tonight. [34:53] Sorry sir, that we had to cut you off. U we try and keep it pretty strict just [34:58] make sure everybody can speak. Um, so we will have a lot more details to be [35:04] flushed out on this site, I would say, in the coming weeks and months. [35:08] » All right. I understand. Now, it's already it's already gone in front of [35:11] one board. Is that correct? >> The planning commission as part of the [35:14] zoning process. >> Part of the zoning process. Okay. And [35:18] and there was a layout of the ingress egress at that meeting. [35:22] » No, planning commission didn't look at that. I think there was something that [35:25] may have been presented to the neighborhood that originally did show an [35:29] access from Savage, but again, upon further consultation, they were it was [35:34] suggested that they move it around to Edawan, but as the mayor said, it is [35:38] going to be going through further review. So, there is an opportunity [35:41] » and I think it's important to make sure that residents are made aware of the [35:45] plans for Savage Road that the county is proposing so that it's a more holistic [35:50] picture of what we're talking about on this site. [35:53] » All right. Well, I I would like to suggest that we have a community meeting [35:57] with that Melrose Long Branch um subdivision um before we go too far with [36:03] it. >> It's a good idea. [36:06] » Okay. >> Thank you. [36:08] » Any further questions on these topics? [sighs] [36:11] If not, we will move on to where am I? Ways and means. [36:19] Motion made, properly seconded. Any further discussion? All ways and means. [36:23] All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. [36:26] » I. >> Eyes have it. [36:28] » We are on to second reading. >> Move 1 through 12. 9, 10, and 12 as [36:34] amended. >> Nine. I got 3, eight, and 14 as amended. [36:42] » You got a typo. I got an old I got an old form. [36:45] » I got it right here. >> Okay. Forget what I said. Strike that [36:49] correct. 12 9 um 10 and 12 as amended. >> So Mr. Se council member seeking's [36:55] motion we have a second motion made properly seconded. All those in favor [37:01] signify by saying I. >> I opposed. [37:05] » Eyes have it. Um can we get a third reading on this? [37:09] » Move for third reading and ratification. >> Second. [37:12] » Motion made probably seconded. No further discussion. All those in favor [37:15] signify saying I. I. Let's have it. Um, [37:22] moving right along, guys, so I got to slow down a little bit. Um, [37:27] we have one bill up for uh first reading, which is [37:37] right of way of CWS. [37:41] We have a motion made, properly seconded. [37:46] All those any further discussion on this you're welcome to discuss it. [37:52] If not all those in favor please signify by saying I [37:56] » I >> opposed. [37:59] Eyes have it. [38:09] Good. [38:16] Okay. [38:23] Hey. Yep. Y'all could just hum the Jeopardy [38:27] theme song. I would appreciate it. [39:01] Any [39:18] further comments, questions from council? If none, [39:23] that concludes our business. The next meeting will be on Tuesday, [39:28] February the 10th.