1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:23,680 All right, we'll be in order. We have the attendance. Yes. Any changes or additions in the agenda? Nope. I didn't know that we didn't. The NEC right of way permit did not make it on the agenda, because it was received after. Everyone knows about it, but that's, that's the one addition. 2 00:00:28,390 --> 00:00:32,930 Well, for a motion to approve the minutes, I'm on this point, so we meet on the motion. 3 00:00:35,230 --> 00:00:35,810 On the paper. 4 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:38,110 Wait, did I get a sign? 5 00:00:38,110 --> 00:00:43,190 It wasn't you, there's a second, I can't approve it, second, it's on the paper. 6 00:00:43,770 --> 00:00:44,390 I am. 7 00:00:44,510 --> 00:00:45,550 Oh, it's kind of it. 8 00:00:45,690 --> 00:00:46,450 I wonder what you get. 9 00:00:46,590 --> 00:00:46,770 You're right. 10 00:00:47,170 --> 00:00:47,570 You're right. 11 00:00:47,670 --> 00:00:47,830 You're right. 12 00:00:47,930 --> 00:00:48,090 You're right. 13 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:48,130 You're right. 14 00:00:48,410 --> 00:00:48,870 You're right. 15 00:00:48,870 --> 00:00:49,050 You're right. 16 00:00:49,190 --> 00:00:49,330 You're right. 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:54,840 You're right. 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:02,380 public comment, there is none, or report, went a little, or is not here, so we're good. 19 00:01:05,220 --> 00:01:08,100 We did, do you have some stuff on? 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:17,320 I just wanted to pass along thanks from Chad McGann of the Municipal Rose General Permit. 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:25,040 The town acted very quickly to do some work on East Echo Lake Road. 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:31,640 The photos look great. He doesn't see any compliance issues. Just thanks to the town for the speedy work. 23 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:43,100 So on that, it actually reminded me of something. If there were, there's no way that Jackson's like to update the agenda with an item that we can actually talk about right now, but it could possibly actually 24 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:50,860 way that would be to sign on to the rental of the hydroceder that Derby town Derby owns. 25 00:01:51,620 --> 00:01:57,060 So the town Derby, we don't want to thank them, they let us borrow the hydroceder, we 26 00:01:57,060 --> 00:01:59,080 just bought the seed and the product we needed. 27 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:06,560 And I had a conversation with the road foreman and apparently they do a little thing where 28 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:13,980 towns can sign on to it. I think he said it was around $600 a year and then you pay a couple 29 00:02:13,980 --> 00:02:19,500 of dollars a year for maintenance or whatever. He said the way as it goes that our board 30 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:27,280 needs to approve, basically take action on signing on to that deal, and then they accept 31 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,840 it and they approve it too. So I don't know if it's something that you guys wanted. We can 32 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,620 push it down the road and we got time, right? We can get through the winter and have the conversation 33 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,580 But I think it's something that we should look at. 34 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:39,240 It was a good idea. 35 00:02:39,540 --> 00:02:40,480 There's a cut westmore. 36 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:42,760 Actually, we thought westmore had a hydrocedure 37 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,160 than they're part of the hydrocedure. 38 00:02:44,220 --> 00:02:44,420 Okay. 39 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:45,540 The hydrocedure was great. 40 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,060 And he said, the coverture was getting ready to sign on right now. 41 00:02:50,740 --> 00:02:53,620 The hydrocedure, which I mean, for everybody's information, 42 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,420 which I think everybody knows, 43 00:02:54,660 --> 00:02:57,840 is it's just like a product of like a sticky product 44 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,060 that has grass seed mixed into it, 45 00:03:00,140 --> 00:03:01,860 that you spray on to any open surface. 46 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,880 And to your point, 47 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,800 on the guy from the state that made a comment that the other requirement is that when we 48 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:15,480 do work that there's no open dirt service, so that grass grows quickly, you know, let's 49 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:15,900 put that on. 50 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:23,960 So, I guess what I'd like to do is because he told me, I would like to make a motion and 51 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,600 I'm going to go off what he told me that the price was and if something changes then we'll 52 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,180 get time. 53 00:03:29,380 --> 00:03:29,820 We'll come back. 54 00:03:30,220 --> 00:03:32,080 How much use of it do we get? 55 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,640 that we can use it, I think we can use it whenever we want 56 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:36,500 through the year, we just have to schedule with Derby. 57 00:03:37,100 --> 00:03:39,420 And then he said it was a $200 fee. 58 00:03:40,020 --> 00:03:41,600 I don't know if it was like a maintenance fee 59 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,400 when it uses it each time, you know what I mean? 60 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,820 But I think that what we would do is we would, 61 00:03:48,980 --> 00:03:51,440 and I can wait, we can get a little more information on what 62 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,500 what we would do is we would do big projects 63 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:55,020 or whatever, and then we would rent that way. 64 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,120 And go back to the old one. 65 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,080 Yeah, great. 66 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:00,040 I don't know if we would do it all the time, 67 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:06,160 I can basically, I tried to, I wanted to get more information from you guys, you guys 68 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,860 got to take action and then you want to sign in on the deal and then Derby takes it. 69 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:11,860 So ready to sit right now. 70 00:04:11,940 --> 00:04:15,020 They're waiting for commentary to get back to them with that. 71 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,920 I think we should go ahead with it before there's no spaces. 72 00:04:18,420 --> 00:04:18,560 All right. 73 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:28,760 So I'm going to make a motion that we move forward with signing on with Derby's $600 a 74 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:37,180 rental process for the hydro-seater with the expectation that there's a fee when we eat after 75 00:04:37,180 --> 00:04:41,840 that each time we use it or a rental fee. I think it was like $200 and I was like, yeah, I just can't 76 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:47,300 remember when I was every time we used it or once a year on top of that, but the machine's very expensive. 77 00:04:47,540 --> 00:04:54,180 Yeah, and you know, like we're gonna have to purchase one, but I'll make that motion. 78 00:04:54,180 --> 00:04:57,620 Okay, is that clear enough where you call it? Is it like clear smudger? 79 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:58,280 No, that's lost. 80 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:58,820 Second. 81 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:00,580 All right, all in favor. 82 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:01,240 Hi. 83 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:02,240 I close. 84 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:03,560 Nice to have you. 85 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,420 If you could just shoot me an email when you give a second call, 86 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,140 and you want to hear your notes of that about that approval, 87 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,380 so I'll reach out to him and let him know to put... 88 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:16,240 Or I'll talk to Steve John girl there on the Slack board about... 89 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:16,960 Okay. 90 00:05:17,780 --> 00:05:19,760 If anything changes from what we talk about, 91 00:05:20,220 --> 00:05:21,300 we'll come back to the board. 92 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:34,100 I do, I will say we did a site visit on Mill Street for a complaint that came in, came 93 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:40,340 in over with me, never been looked good there, everybody that's looked at it always said 94 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:40,940 it was good. 95 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,440 I think the issue is that there's been a bunch of work and there's some change in the 96 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:45,660 look. 97 00:05:45,660 --> 00:05:50,960 and I think the resident was going to get some gravel to raise their driveway or whatever. 98 00:05:51,940 --> 00:05:55,960 And then we also have a ride up town farm road. 99 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,940 We didn't want to do a lot of work up there with nothing. 100 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,920 We just pulling in the sides of the ditches and he held it up a bunch of material 101 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,140 that we had sitting in the pit on the 10 miles square road. 102 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,160 That seems to be holding the whole area really well. 103 00:06:11,420 --> 00:06:12,900 Changed a few culverts and stuff. 104 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:18,340 you think they'll get to the end of the room but they recommend they want to take a ride up and take a ride up it 105 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,800 does bring me to a question I'd like to know and maybe I don't know if Colin you could help me 106 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:31,480 research this or see if there's anything on it how did we come to own town farm and why do we own town farm 107 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:39,400 I don't know but I can look into it I know why we own gravel pits right I know why do we own 108 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,020 and would lot that we have to meet here. 109 00:06:42,460 --> 00:06:44,480 Yeah, that preceded me, so I can- 110 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,140 I'll put you to the name of the road, right? 111 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,620 I think maybe we'll find out we're just always on to it. 112 00:06:49,740 --> 00:06:53,600 Just question why we are in a chunk of land up there 113 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,720 that is just- 114 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:54,960 Right. 115 00:06:55,140 --> 00:06:55,340 Right. 116 00:06:56,820 --> 00:06:57,120 I'm not- 117 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:57,640 I'm not- 118 00:06:58,060 --> 00:07:00,760 I'm just saying why do we only have wind up with it? 119 00:07:00,860 --> 00:07:01,480 What's the- 120 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:02,440 I kind of think about- 121 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:09,380 Well, many towns had town farms, and that's- 122 00:07:09,380 --> 00:07:13,200 Charleston has been in possession of it continuously. 123 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,460 I know it's been ever since I've been so long as I've never thought about it. 124 00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:25,880 So maybe it was just our town farm, which was a social agency, basically, right? 125 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,200 It wouldn't change us maintaining the road, right, but is there a benefit or a negative 126 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,120 film in that? 127 00:07:32,140 --> 00:07:33,320 I don't know. 128 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,140 And I'm not employing. 129 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:36,120 I'm just curious. 130 00:07:36,260 --> 00:07:39,240 I kind of think about the conversations we've had in Biden. 131 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,800 in the pit and trying to make sure the public understands 132 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,840 why and how we ended up with it and what it's for, 133 00:07:45,980 --> 00:07:48,980 what it used to be for, even going to the point 134 00:07:48,980 --> 00:07:50,060 of like talking about all that, 135 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,860 all the way up to the point we don't need it. 136 00:07:53,780 --> 00:07:54,400 I don't know. 137 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:54,920 Yeah. 138 00:07:57,550 --> 00:07:59,390 Maybe the Plane Commission might be able to research 139 00:07:59,390 --> 00:08:02,870 that and figure out how we ended up with it's 140 00:08:02,870 --> 00:08:04,450 in our pound playing right now, obviously. 141 00:08:05,510 --> 00:08:09,350 Yeah, I mean, my guess is that it was, 142 00:08:11,090 --> 00:08:17,130 put aside by the town as a way to help people who've had no land to grow food, 143 00:08:17,570 --> 00:08:22,310 and that there's no way to disperse it that ever came up, so the town owns it by default, 144 00:08:22,790 --> 00:08:29,290 but I'll be glad to try to find out. Is it landlocked? I mean, I don't know nothing about the 145 00:08:29,290 --> 00:08:36,770 property. I mean, I don't know what to do with. I think most many of those lands have just converted 146 00:08:36,770 --> 00:08:44,210 to public recreational use you know it's it's available to because we we do use it for the 147 00:08:44,210 --> 00:08:50,330 scooter trail right would you be able to try those through it if hunting is permitting they do 148 00:08:50,330 --> 00:08:56,050 some logging up there well we have to know it through do some clearing or something so it it spans 149 00:08:56,050 --> 00:09:05,010 the the land spans the town line and the westmore acreage is in current use for tax savings and so that 150 00:09:05,010 --> 00:09:06,750 Yeah, it's the part that has. 151 00:09:07,070 --> 00:09:08,410 I don't like it, I'll ask more too over there. 152 00:09:11,070 --> 00:09:13,550 I think it was probably always part of the same. 153 00:09:14,290 --> 00:09:14,650 Interesting. 154 00:09:15,230 --> 00:09:16,330 Yeah, I just didn't know. 155 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:17,270 Maybe it'd be good to know. 156 00:09:17,270 --> 00:09:19,290 Why the town farm would be in another town 157 00:09:19,290 --> 00:09:20,510 is confusing, though. 158 00:09:20,790 --> 00:09:21,810 Hey, Vassa, who knows? 159 00:09:22,510 --> 00:09:23,450 You know, you may join them. 160 00:09:23,670 --> 00:09:25,030 That's where it could have been donated. 161 00:09:25,170 --> 00:09:27,170 Yeah, somebody probably just donated it. 162 00:09:27,190 --> 00:09:29,870 And it's just always been kept up and maintained. 163 00:09:30,250 --> 00:09:32,030 But I know a lot of people use it, like, 164 00:09:32,170 --> 00:09:34,150 take a point for hunting, screwing things like that. 165 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:37,690 I'm not buying it about, I just made me think the other day over. 166 00:09:37,930 --> 00:09:39,990 No, it doesn't have a new forest turn. 167 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:41,270 Yes, yeah. 168 00:09:41,410 --> 00:09:42,410 Jenny, a really nice woman. 169 00:09:43,090 --> 00:09:43,270 Great. 170 00:09:43,510 --> 00:09:45,010 I had a meeting with her this morning, so. 171 00:09:45,330 --> 00:09:45,690 Oh, good. 172 00:09:46,110 --> 00:09:47,550 Yeah, well, then, yeah, that's. 173 00:09:47,550 --> 00:09:48,370 Not about this, but. 174 00:09:48,370 --> 00:09:56,870 But that's going to come up, because we have to check in on maintenance on that person. 175 00:09:57,330 --> 00:10:01,210 Okay, I don't have anything else on the road reporting, but I also, all right, 176 00:10:01,210 --> 00:10:05,450 there's a receipt proposed to 1026 town plan from the planning commissioner. 177 00:10:06,950 --> 00:10:16,710 So we produced our first town plan in 2013 and second 178 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:24,740 in 2018, this is now a third. 179 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:34,340 In those years, the role of the town plan seems to have changed. 180 00:10:37,150 --> 00:10:44,610 Historically, the town plan has been a way for a town to express its views about where 181 00:10:44,610 --> 00:10:45,550 it wants to go. 182 00:10:47,410 --> 00:10:58,280 And I think that that has changed, most importantly, changed by Act 181, which was passed 183 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,480 a couple of years ago. 184 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:07,970 The structure, the way it used to operate, you had state government. 185 00:11:09,230 --> 00:11:19,770 And then you had all of the 250 apparatus and you had regional planning commissions throughout 186 00:11:19,770 --> 00:11:22,770 the state, I think is 11 of them, or something like that. 187 00:11:22,770 --> 00:11:32,650 But they faced it down to the towns and cities and gave them expertise in areas they couldn't 188 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:38,370 afford to keep expertise in so that they could come up with a robust town plan. 189 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:42,190 They were working with the towns. 190 00:11:45,170 --> 00:11:59,190 In my observation, that is altered because the Land Use Review Board, LURB, a new creature 191 00:11:59,190 --> 00:12:02,750 in state government created by Act 181, 192 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,680 has with the enabling legislation converted 193 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:15,260 the role of the Regional Commission to becoming an enforcement mechanism. 194 00:12:15,260 --> 00:12:21,820 They now, rather than facing the towns to help them, they're facing the state government 195 00:12:22,140 --> 00:12:24,480 to support its work. 196 00:12:25,580 --> 00:12:28,160 That's a fundamental change in role. 197 00:12:29,660 --> 00:12:41,490 And it has created a great deal of friction between the cities and towns and the regional 198 00:12:41,490 --> 00:12:50,850 planning commissions because they're now agents of the Land Use Review Board. 199 00:12:52,410 --> 00:12:57,430 That body is, I think it's a six-member body, it's still coming into existence, it's still 200 00:12:57,430 --> 00:12:58,410 inventing itself. 201 00:12:59,510 --> 00:13:06,670 Reason I raised this is because I think the town plan is going to morph into one of the 202 00:13:06,670 --> 00:13:13,450 most important documents that the town has to produce. This might take five years, this 203 00:13:13,450 --> 00:13:23,490 might take three years, this might never happen. But it seems to me that the town plan has 204 00:13:23,490 --> 00:13:33,030 become a mechanism for the state to reach into the towns and to have direct control over their 205 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:45,310 The biggest change from Act 181 is the change from a size-based process to a land-based process. 206 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:49,190 The entire state has been mapped every acre. 207 00:13:49,950 --> 00:13:57,370 And those maps, even though they've repealed sections of 181, they still exist and they're waiting to be used. 208 00:14:00,790 --> 00:14:10,710 I believe that the powers that brought 181 into being are going to continue their effort 209 00:14:11,210 --> 00:14:15,870 to implement it, and someday try to implement it in its original fullness. 210 00:14:17,070 --> 00:14:21,730 I don't know if they'll be successful or not, but I 211 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,480 have requested to be placed on the 212 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:33,940 in VDA board as the representative for this town on that regional planning commissions board. 213 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,580 Because I think it is now the site of trouble. 214 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:45,380 My intention is to keep a very close eye on them, to attend every single meeting and to 215 00:14:45,380 --> 00:14:46,920 report to you when I need to. 216 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:55,360 You may not be aware, but we voted against passing the regional plan as a town. 217 00:14:56,300 --> 00:14:59,460 And it ended up that of the... 218 00:15:00,050 --> 00:15:05,970 Towns that voted on that, and I think there might have been 15 that were in attendance. 219 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:31,440 Three other towns, total of four towns voted not to send the regional plans, planning commission up to the land review board. That surprised me. And when a guy, two people, eloquently talked about process and how it's changed. 220 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:37,760 changed. I said, I'm going to vote against this, too. And I did it and I'm sure it's in 221 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:44,380 support. This would not violate any views that anyone here has because I do think I'm pretty 222 00:15:44,380 --> 00:15:50,260 well attuned to the general feeling in the middle of the town, which is we'd like to run our own 223 00:15:50,260 --> 00:16:01,300 lives. Thank you. This is going to be a tremendous source of tension. And it's only going to grow 224 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:10,280 So, the source of these legislative moves to control the towns is coming directly from 225 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:17,020 the state legislature, it's coming directly from individual legislators who are trying 226 00:16:17,020 --> 00:16:21,500 to impose an environmental scheme 227 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,540 in Vermont. 228 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:32,220 I'm not going to characterize that, I'll leave it up to you and will certainly help you learn 229 00:16:32,220 --> 00:16:39,620 and more about it, but tonight, just as I give you this draft plan, I want to sound 230 00:16:39,620 --> 00:16:47,140 in a long, that things have changed, and that the town planning commission, the town 231 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:54,760 plan, the regional commission, and the land use review board are going to become powerful 232 00:16:56,140 --> 00:16:58,700 and more important than they used to be. 233 00:16:58,700 --> 00:16:59,680 The 234 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:08,840 attitude that we took as we drafted this version was that the town has a clear view 235 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,520 of how it wants to conduct itself. 236 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:19,960 It is not always in accordance with some of the state's desires and that our job is to 237 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:26,860 try to hold to the values of our town and see how we fare in the process. 238 00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:29,820 It could be that this will be rejected. 239 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:37,980 And it won't be, it'll be a lot to go into play, but it will not have the extra 240 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:46,980 panache of being able to stop an energy project in court. Because in order to 241 00:17:46,980 --> 00:17:53,360 stop or even have the hope of stopping a large energy project or a large project, 242 00:17:54,560 --> 00:18:02,580 Your plan has to be blessed by the Land Use Review Board and it gets an extra special 243 00:18:02,580 --> 00:18:07,200 decision that gives it standing in front of the public utility board. 244 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,640 My aim is that this draft allows us to do that. 245 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:13,340 I don't know if it's going to succeed. 246 00:18:13,780 --> 00:18:17,400 That's up to our regional commission and to the Land Use Review Board. 247 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:27,240 If there are changes that they want us to make in order to qualify for that, extra special 248 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,340 capacity, I'll review them with this select board. 249 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:38,840 I don't know how long it will take for them to say these things. 250 00:18:39,380 --> 00:18:46,760 They're under tremendous pressure and their own staffs are stressed because they're caught 251 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:54,340 in the middle. They're now being transformed into an enforcement agency, and it's nothing 252 00:18:54,340 --> 00:19:01,140 they've ever done before. So this is pretty rocky, pretty bumpy, and when the state legislative 253 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:07,320 comes back into session, this will continue to be debated and reviewed. It's still a hot 254 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,280 topic, land use. 255 00:19:11,940 --> 00:19:15,020 But that's sort of the state of the yard at the moment. 256 00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:20,740 If issues come 257 00:19:20,740 --> 00:19:29,760 up to this board that are connected to this plan or connected to the new system that's 258 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:40,270 into place. Let me know how I can clarify or help. The steps here are for you to have your hearing 259 00:19:41,050 --> 00:19:49,990 and for you to take a look at the draft, see if it seems to you and and our residents to 260 00:19:50,590 --> 00:19:59,010 properly express the desires and vision of the town. And then if that's the case, you adopt it, 261 00:19:59,010 --> 00:20:04,350 But then it goes to the regional planning commission for their review and 262 00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:12,560 That's when the land board steps in they are in no mood to negotiate 263 00:20:14,060 --> 00:20:16,040 They're trying to put their 264 00:20:16,860 --> 00:20:22,360 Process into place and they're going to do it in a very strong man 265 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,840 Well, 266 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,300 no, I mean I 267 00:20:36,340 --> 00:20:37,340 It's a 268 00:20:38,420 --> 00:20:42,040 It's an enjoyable task. I can't say that it isn't. 269 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,260 And we're happy to do this. 270 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,520 But I do think its 271 00:20:49,690 --> 00:20:51,950 reality is changing. 272 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,960 I hope I spoke between the lines but I hope I could be understood. 273 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:00,760 I heard it. 274 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:01,420 Okay. 275 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,740 Anybody have any questions for them? 276 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,880 I didn't think so now right now anyway. 277 00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:10,530 Okay. 278 00:21:10,530 --> 00:21:14,470 All right, so we received the plan and now our next step is to 279 00:21:17,950 --> 00:21:20,230 Right made to approve 280 00:21:21,260 --> 00:21:22,730 Planning hearing 281 00:21:22,730 --> 00:21:36,810 With a time of 5 p.m. 282 00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:48,190 I'm going to change that suggestion to 5.30 in the event it ran along the select board meeting directly after it could be adjusted. 283 00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:49,870 Yeah, 5.45. 284 00:21:52,260 --> 00:21:56,380 So we can always adjust. I'm going to go to 5.45 and adjust the select board here. 285 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,520 Okay, let's do that. 286 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,760 And I think we're all going to know if, you know, after this meeting, 287 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,120 we're going to ask it out there, and people will have some info on it. 288 00:22:05,380 --> 00:22:10,140 Well, well, right, I think it's, yeah, a ton of people here are living here. 289 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:11,480 Nobody was here. 290 00:22:12,140 --> 00:22:13,900 No, I don't think there will be. 291 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,660 OK, this has become a real inside game now. 292 00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:18,640 Yeah, yeah. 293 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:22,640 The problem is, people need to be involved when that's important. 294 00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:25,540 No, we get to the end of it, and you get to the end of it. 295 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:26,020 Right. 296 00:22:26,020 --> 00:22:33,040 people's yeah okay anything else on that we good good than you need no I more 297 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:42,360 set and thanks and no you don't need to take off yeah yeah I gotta go get our 298 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:47,180 doubt all right we're gonna address current use needs for Westwood 299 00:22:47,180 --> 00:22:50,580 have a good night John yeah thank you very much so 300 00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:55,210 there's a mini 301 00:22:56,590 --> 00:22:59,650 Are current uses do in the Barton-Pet Zone is? 302 00:23:00,250 --> 00:23:06,810 Um, so the Barton, uh, the, uh, the land adjacent to it. 303 00:23:07,290 --> 00:23:15,310 The current use enrollment has, uh, it's actually almost completely transferred. 304 00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:21,170 The forester who had done the original plan, uh, you know, helped us with the forms, 305 00:23:21,850 --> 00:23:32,190 which the Board signed last meeting, the plan and the map have been updated showing the town as the owner, the county forester has accepted it. 306 00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:41,170 So there's just a letter from the State Department of Taxes that's coming, but it seems like that's all set within plenty of time. 307 00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:50,650 time what's come up on the Westmore acreage part of the town farm is that the county 308 00:23:50,650 --> 00:24:00,870 forester needs to inspect the property. I think they just monitor management activities 309 00:24:01,450 --> 00:24:09,510 and he will do the inspection regardless but he wanted to know if the town wanted to 310 00:24:10,150 --> 00:24:14,910 participate, ask any questions about what's required. It's possible that there 311 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:23,250 is some activity that we might need to catch up on. And we also, we've lost 312 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:29,890 our consulting forester, Sam Perrin, was at Northwoods, is no longer with 313 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:36,050 Northwoods and they have a new forester. So I guess basically does the board want 314 00:24:36,050 --> 00:24:43,930 to participate in the site visit. Do you want to reach out to the Northwoods Forester? 315 00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:50,950 When do they want to do the site visit? He's currently looking for October, but there was 316 00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:58,150 no hurry on it. So, if the town wants to participate, he can schedule it around your schedule. 317 00:24:58,150 --> 00:25:02,390 The last forest that we had was from what was right in the end of it. 318 00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:05,470 They have all the paperwork still there. 319 00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:07,310 I think we need a portion of it. 320 00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:11,250 Do we have a copy of the original? 321 00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:15,150 Of the plant on file. 322 00:25:16,170 --> 00:25:18,750 I wouldn't mind taking a look at that to see. 323 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:23,090 We can go over what maybe has been done or hasn't been done. 324 00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:26,550 It's pretty interesting that they're going to look at just 325 00:25:27,270 --> 00:25:31,790 part of the property and the one down. It's not under the same granite, this isn't two 326 00:25:31,790 --> 00:25:33,490 granite, this isn't two, we're counting this. 327 00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:35,690 The. 328 00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:39,470 Because that land is in Charleston and Westmore, right? 329 00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:44,670 Right, and the Charleston isn't in current use, because we don't pay taxes to ourselves. 330 00:25:45,690 --> 00:25:46,830 So it doesn't matter. 331 00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:47,430 Yeah. 332 00:25:47,730 --> 00:25:48,830 So let's just do that. 333 00:25:49,290 --> 00:25:49,970 Yeah, I'll do it. 334 00:25:50,110 --> 00:25:50,670 Okay, Denver. 335 00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:53,710 Makes sense. 336 00:25:53,710 --> 00:25:56,610 So whatever we're cutting or maintaining the land, 337 00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:58,350 it's only maintaining the westward portion. 338 00:25:59,270 --> 00:25:59,710 Right. Right. 339 00:25:59,950 --> 00:26:00,510 How big is that? 340 00:26:01,370 --> 00:26:02,650 50 acres, I think? 341 00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:05,350 Wonder if westward must have bought it. 342 00:26:05,550 --> 00:26:07,530 Yeah, we keep the volume down from that. 343 00:26:07,810 --> 00:26:07,950 Yeah. 344 00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:11,910 And I don't think that there's been any, 345 00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:17,190 like, timber harvest in this current plan. 346 00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:19,810 It was 10 or 15 years ago. 347 00:26:19,810 --> 00:26:22,450 Right, I believe it was the previous 348 00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:29,990 plan and it gets renewed every 10 years but I'm also I don't know if there 349 00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:33,690 was anything that the town was committed to because that's always a 350 00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:37,550 possibility. I thought Jason had gone up there and did some harvest thing on 351 00:26:37,550 --> 00:26:42,050 years ago. Yes that was the previous so 352 00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:48,840 when the plan renewed it was Sam who did it 353 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,140 and I don't think there's been any management activity but I also don't know 354 00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:59,660 that there was anything to do. So how much land is there in the whole parcel? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 355 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:07,360 50 acres over there, but okay. I mean, I'm in favor of seeing it for us to give you the product. I mean, I don't mind going to the meeting. 356 00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:13,820 But I don't know that it would be wicked helpful if a forest could report back to us on what we need to do there. 357 00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:18,960 And, you know, yeah. Well, I can, yeah, you should have a lot there. 358 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,260 I got dealings with Jared so over my out over our property so if I could look at the current use 359 00:27:24,260 --> 00:27:30,220 I could doctor Jared and see what and even reach out to Jenny. Yeah Jenny yeah that would be great because you yeah 360 00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:35,120 yeah I've got dealings with both of them so okay I will get that to you 361 00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:43,440 perfect appreciate it right there come first week in November I'm going to start cutting trees along 362 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:49,740 both corners of the property that that's under current use and not cut okay from 363 00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:54,240 them to yeah I did it out a little bit because it's it's it's the road's not 364 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,180 drying yeah so I can get some of those trees out of there oh I'll help with the drop 365 00:27:58,180 --> 00:28:07,960 yeah yep yep all right now I don't know if there's any cave right away that's the 366 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,590 He wanted me to be in the front, but he'll at least like what they're proposing is the two 367 00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:14,010 eggs. 368 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,660 Two of these. 369 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,200 And being a ditch on that egg. 370 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:21,580 I've got this indignation. 371 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,660 It should probably be in the air. 372 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,600 So we'll take it up. 373 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,460 Remember that issue that I'm aware of, correct? 374 00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:36,980 I left him a copy on his desk, and I did not hear anything, but I haven't seen a lot 375 00:28:36,980 --> 00:28:37,280 of him. 376 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:44,040 So I'm fine with that. I mean they're gonna get they're gonna get up through there and they just did that big build out and well, so 377 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,800 They're looking for approval tonight. I wasn't 378 00:28:53,290 --> 00:28:57,250 yeah, I'm fine with it. Yeah, I don't have a problem. I think I'll make a portion of it 379 00:28:59,550 --> 00:28:59,910 Second 380 00:29:01,270 --> 00:29:06,690 All right, all business review 381 00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:10,070 status of gravel extraction 382 00:29:12,990 --> 00:29:17,210 We can know where we're at with this, but so he's working with it right now. 383 00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:22,990 Basically, we're just trying to kind of close that a little bit because we all know 384 00:29:22,990 --> 00:29:28,430 on the way down the road, that's trying to go back and figure out if we can get the 385 00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:29,950 rough as we move. 386 00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:33,870 You don't need any action, I don't want that on anything, correct? 387 00:29:34,810 --> 00:29:35,210 Correct. 388 00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:41,550 Yeah, the last we've heard is the attorney reaching out to the representative at UBM and 389 00:29:41,550 --> 00:29:44,610 Yep, we have not heard that 390 00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:57,130 Discuss process for grab with crossing RFP we want to pump this 391 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:30,360 All should be quick, right? We don't have an RFP. I did. So yeah, one thing I think we need to know is we probably know for a couple of months what do we got budget for gravel, right? What do we budget last year? And then what we're at budget? I think it was around 60,000, wasn't it? I think so. We bumped it up for 50, 60,000. 392 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,780 So I guess, you know, I mean, basically to put out an RFP, we need to know certain things 393 00:30:37,780 --> 00:30:45,540 at a time frame on when the RFP is completed, the volume's right, because it's going to be 394 00:30:45,540 --> 00:30:46,100 a lot of volume. 395 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,260 People have been different less. 396 00:30:48,260 --> 00:30:51,360 And then the other thing I was thinking, which I don't even know how we do this if it's 397 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:57,680 even doable, but do we try to offer a multi-year contract and try to get tricky because there's 398 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,620 somebody's not in business or whatever, I don't know that we get a lot better of a price 399 00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:02,980 saying. 400 00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:08,500 We're going to crush 20,000 yards for next three years, just on in the bro. 401 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:10,500 You know what I mean? 402 00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:12,760 Because nobody really knows where we're going to be next three years. 403 00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:17,540 So I think we probably better off just to come up with a good RFP that we can do for next 404 00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:17,920 year. 405 00:31:19,940 --> 00:31:29,320 And we can't put it out there saying, we need to prep a crush ground for $50,000 so that's 406 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:29,740 what we're going to do. 407 00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:34,440 right so we want to come up with that yeah I'm a here as a one are we done 408 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:41,040 crushing for this year or uh we're in here and we'll see he told me the other day and he said 409 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,640 that they found some other material he wanted to try to run through it but it was going to be another 410 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:51,500 five to ten thousand I was like yeah we put down that this year yeah so I think the guy was leaving 411 00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:59,160 but that's why I thought maybe yeah unless somebody follows maybe we can talk about this the next 412 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,740 meetings that, well, what do we, what do we, what do we crush her, I guess I haven't some 413 00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:09,780 information to like what we budgeted because we're probably going to budget off from that budget 414 00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:13,400 number. I'm not saying we're going to stay with the same one, but that's typically how it goes 415 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:20,620 right in the last year. Well, hopefully by next year, we start crushing diesel prices will be down 416 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:26,740 hopefully. Yeah, but in doing a long time, I have to be probably not going to, but so things to think 417 00:32:26,740 --> 00:32:33,360 about is when the bids are due, when the completion of the work is due, and the volume's right, 418 00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:40,080 and I don't think we can get a close number on the cost by what volume we're thinking right, 419 00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:44,340 but we don't know the exact until the number comes back, right? Because the way things you're 420 00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:50,200 sitting right now, it looks like diesel is going to go up even more. Yeah, it usually doesn't 421 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,320 or experiment, and then it will come out and we're eating while it is coming out so it's 422 00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:01,700 going to be more demand on it than the last product so it's just going to try prices up so. 423 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:07,240 So then what we're trying to come up with, we'll come up with an RFP and have it ready to be 424 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:14,040 out in the public we've been on some time, you know, March. Yeah, April, right, 425 00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:20,180 you know, 426 00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:29,880 So could we put it on for next month, but with some of that information possibly for the available we can start working the budget next month. 427 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:37,640 Speedy maybe October, so they usually tell me when it's a kick me right knee and say time start hanging about it now. 428 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:45,060 Maybe run that by tarot see if she if she's available for the next meeting we could probably look at the just a quick look at the. 429 00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:45,920 And number one. 430 00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:46,280 And number one. 431 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:46,620 And number one. 432 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,620 We're thinking for next year. 433 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,760 And then it might give us, you know, like where we're going to be. 434 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,420 Looks like I think we're going to shake up pretty good this year. 435 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,760 I don't think we're going to be too far over, but we get to know. 436 00:33:56,620 --> 00:34:02,060 And then having one little hero, make sure I reach out to him so he can have a... 437 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,380 He can tell us how much gravel we have. 438 00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:06,760 I'm going to wear a hat, you know. 439 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,160 Because you know, we've got a ton of gravel. 440 00:34:10,420 --> 00:34:11,300 We need to eat weight here. 441 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:11,540 Right. 442 00:34:11,660 --> 00:34:14,880 But we're going to have to probably have the best time to put it. 443 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,280 never seeing a cheaper fuel time, you know, fuel is always going to drive it up, right? 444 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,580 It's just like the, and I know he was working on trying to get the top cope pavement on, 445 00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:27,100 um, way to hear back from, I think, Pike, I'm not here, I'm not here, I'm here, I'm just like, 446 00:34:27,140 --> 00:34:31,080 more ash cold. And everything has gone up, you know, because everything's oil, 447 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,700 we play around, you know, we do, you know, we go ahead and do it if they could hold the same price, 448 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,960 I think that's where they were at. Yeah, it's something. All right, and then, 449 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,380 I don't know if any of you have any thoughts on that? 450 00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:42,920 No. 451 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:43,720 RFP. 452 00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:44,400 All right. 453 00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:46,180 Any other old business? 454 00:34:46,460 --> 00:34:46,600 No. 455 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:47,720 I don't know. 456 00:34:47,780 --> 00:34:48,880 I don't have any approved those in orders. 457 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:49,720 Yep. 458 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,600 Any of you have any thoughts on this information? 459 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:52,360 Yep. 460 00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:54,180 No. 461 00:34:54,420 --> 00:34:57,300 Next reading is on September 24th. 462 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:57,800 Yeah, we're ready. 463 00:34:59,380 --> 00:35:01,080 I do a big motion to it now. 464 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:03,100 Oh, I didn't mean. 465 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:03,660 Yeah. 466 00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:04,320 Okay. 467 00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:06,120 Okay. 468 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:06,640 Second. 469 00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:08,280 How do you mean work the next month? 470 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:09,440 The next week. 471 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:15,260 I'm on to work. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Next week, next week, next month. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's it. Julie was there. 472 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,780 Very good. Yep. All right. It is 649 p.m.