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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Charlotte County Board of County Commissioners' regular and land use meeting for Tuesday, July 28th, 2026. Let the record show all commissioners are present. We also have the clerk of the Court, Mr. Roger Eaton, joining us on the dius today. If you wish, please rise for the invocation given by Reverend Larry Yerter of our savorin Savior, Lutheran Church, followed by the pledge.

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Let's pray. I want to God you have blessed this land with many things, but we are also

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ourachiotic people. We thank you for bringing together people such as those before me who

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debate and think and work and make it safe and advantageous for our lives. We have to continue

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to bless the Lord and its work for those who support them, for all those here today who

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interested and concerned about what goes on here in our county, our state, our country, and

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our world. We are in a middle of hurricane season so far nothing has happened and we ask

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that you continue to have blessing for us. You keep those who are safe. All those who are in

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hurricane path help us to help those who need it and help us to accept the systems when we need

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ourselves.

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But as you bless these people, all those here and all those in this county and across

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the world who call upon you, let them all feel your love and your compassion and your closeness.

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Help us remember that we are never alone. And nothing, that dungeons, that powers, that angels,

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that principalities, nothing can separate us into love of God and Christ, so let's hold to that.

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here in the power of Christ, we stand. Amen. Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

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public for which it stands, one nation and another, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you, Reverend Yerder. Mr. Forrest, change this to the agenda.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair commissioners. I'll go ahead and read through the change of memo.

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First, we have edition number one, and that was item S8.

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We added the public here, setting the public hearing regarding county right away.

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Change number one to S2, added the attachment to the Metro forecasting item.

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Change number two to S6, added attachment, and also updated the language to that item.

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Related to the animal welfare league, and then change number three to S7.

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We attach the resolution for that item, same for change number 4 to VB2, attach the resolution, and change number 5 was to D2 updated the language regarding the location for host holding the upcoming budget meetings September at the event center, and then adjusting the dates as well to change number 6 Q2 added the attachments that's the piece river water authority the upcoming agenda for discussion, and then change number

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Number seven is to item H1, and that is a attachment also for the upcoming WCAND agenda.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Chairman of the changes.

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So, where most of the second to move changes, is there any further discussion?

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Is there any opposition to the motion?

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That passage in animals.

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Let's change it.

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Mr. Chairman of the motion.

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Motion and second to the motion.

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Is there any further discussion?

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Is there any opposition to the motion?

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That passage unanimously, and commission authority, you have the honours sir.

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That will be followed by employee recognition.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning, everyone.

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Good morning, sir.

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We have two proclamations this morning.

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The first is a 75th anniversary of the Punta Gordor Bokello.

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On August 31, 1951, the Punta Gordor Bokello was officially organized

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and now celebrates 75 years of voting history for the community.

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In July of 1951, Chamber President John Rose actively pursued and promoted water-oriented tourism

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in our predominantly fish and cattle county, and the Punagora Boaclub held the first locally

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sanctioned American Power Boat Association Regatta in 1952, then included 9,000 spectators,

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probably close to the entire population of the county at that time.

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The Pontagord of Vocal of Foundation provides charitable contributions to Gulf Shore of

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Sailing School, Community Resource Network, and Crossroads Academy.

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The Charlotte County wishes to recognize the formative and lasting.

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History of Boding in our community, created by the Pana Gordaboke Club, and expresses its profound gratitude for 75 years of service that has enriched the lives of our residents and continually strengthens the foundation of our community.

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Now, therefore, be a proclaim that August 31, 2026 shall be designated and observed in Charlotte County as the 75th anniversary of Pana Gordaboke Club.

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And accepting, it's Commodore, Sue and Fembro, and Carol Bern.

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Okay, the second proclamation this morning is Florida Water Professionals Month.

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The Florida Water and Pollution Control Operators Association is a nonprofit trade organization

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that promotes the sustainability of Florida's Water Utility Industry through workforce development

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to protect the health of Florida citizens and to preserve the state's water resources.

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This organization offers water distribution, water and wastewater treatment plant operated

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training courses required with the state of Florida's operator licenses, voluntary certification

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programs and continuing education programs for operator license renewal and this organization

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in recognizing the importance of the Florida statutes in administrative code that regulate

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the water industry acts as a liaison between the Florida Department of Environmental Protection

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and industry personnel. Water professionals are often emergency responders during storms

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and other catastrophic events, working to ensure safe drinking water and safe disposal

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of wastewater for our communities. The Florida Water and Pollution Control operates

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the association recognizes all those who have played a significant part in operating and maintaining

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drinking water wastewater and storm water systems in Florida by celebrating Florida Water

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professionals month, which applies to their constant efforts to protect our health and

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environment.

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Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that the month of August, 2026 shall be designated

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observed in Charlotte County as Florida Water Professionals Month, and all citizens

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are encouraged to join us in thanking all water and wastewater professionals for their

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hard work and dedication to preserving Florida's water resources.

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and accepting is a bunch of folks from CCU.

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Jeremy Frost, Ken Stecker, Kenny Hall, Ross Lynch, Tony Smith, Duane Smith, Bill,

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Han Felder, and Mike Closer.

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All right, commissioners, we have a full room, which is always good to see as far as

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because I know we've got a lot of recognition, I'll tee up the next three items and then

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get out of the way.

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So first, we're going to recognize all of our teammates that hit their miles of milestones

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of years of service in June, 2026. And then we recognize our Ambassador Program

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participants for the Spring, 2026 class. And then also finish up with

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Employee the Month for June of 2026. So I pick Abby from People Ops, Melissa

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from People Ops, and then Kevin from IT are going to do the honors. So thank you.

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Abigail Woods, People Operations. Today we are proud to recognize and celebrate the

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dedicated employees who have reached important years of service milestones.

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Their commitment, professionalism, and contributions have helped strengthen our organization

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and improve the services we provide to our community.

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Thank you for your hard work, loyalty, and the positive impact you make every day.

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Please join me in congratulating and honoring these outstanding employees for their years of service.

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I'm going to start with five years, Alex Howard, utilities,

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Carl Walker, Jun-

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Senior Public Safety,

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Colby Mazzoni, Public Safety,

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Sean Hunt, Facilities Management,

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Joshua Huff, Public Safety,

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Michelle Fitzgerald, People Operations,

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Tara Blackson, Human Services,

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Frank Paylella, Public Safety,

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with 20 years, Jamie Skidera Community Services.

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And those not attending but reach their five years are Brady Peterson from Utilities,

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Stacy McDonald from Budget and Administrative Services, Thomas Tucker, Public Safety,

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David Williams, Public Works, Paige Bogg, Community Development, with 10 years Jacob Gibbs

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from public works, with 15 years, James Wood from utilities, and with 35 years, Sue McKean

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from utilities.

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Thank you.

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Melissa Dunlevy, people operations.

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Today, we are recognizing our 22nd employee ambassador program graduates.

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The employee ambassador program was started in 2011 because of employee responses to strategic

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area focus survey.

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Feedback received from employees indicated their commitment to quality work and to being a good

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team player.

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This program was developed to improve communications across departments, increase employee knowledge of the organization, foster team spirit, and enhance customer service.

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Ambassadors are better prepared to answer questions from citizens, colleagues, and neighbors.

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They are well informed of the county's programs and services and can respond to inquiries.

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They have a reinforced sense of team spirit and a commitment to providing quality services to all customers and colleagues.

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With today's class, over 500 employees have completed the program and have gained a better

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understanding of the county's departments and the overall organization, which benefits

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customers, the organization, and the public.

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Congratulations to the 22nd class of the Employee Ambassador Program.

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I'm Brianna Beaty from Public Safety,

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Lisa Blau from Fiscal,

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Whitt Buchanan, Administration,

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Caitlin Kozzi, Community Services,

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Trevor Cole, Facilities,

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Jessica Aaron Hart, Public Works,

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Sarah Guadette, Human Services,

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Katie Jackson, Public Works,

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Jose Laura Flores, IT,

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services,

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Grionna Fines for Joseph Utilities,

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Jordan Rye, Economic Development,

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good morning, commissioners. Good morning. Kevin Mangle, senior IT division manager. And I am here to recognize one of our employees, Donna of the night, as you employ the month, for June of 2026. Generally, our IT employees tend to shun the limelight. They kind of like to do their things behind the scene. But sometimes folks put forth that effort that you just can't let them let them hide. And this is one of those instances.

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So I take great pleasure reading this for Donovan.

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Donovan Knight has demonstrated Charlotte County's core values throughout the implementation

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of a complex, computerated dispatch system, transition, impacting public safety and Charlotte

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County Sheriff's Office.

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From the beginning of the project, he embraced the opportunity to become the primary support

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liaison between agencies, quickly learning the system, understanding fiery MS operations,

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and building strong relationships with frontline personnel and leadership.

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Donovan consistently exemplifies customer service and partnership by actively listening to

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fiery MS staff, gathering feedback and operational requirements, and ensuring their concerns

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and recommendations were communicated to the sheriff's office, which manages the application.

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He serves as a primary advocate for public safety, bridging that gap between agencies

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to ensure technology solutions meet operational needs.

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Donovan's dedication to this project is going to far beyond the expectations of his role.

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He has invested significant time outside normal business hours, including nights and weekends,

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to provide support during critical phases of the implementation.

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Rather than asking first responders to work around his schedule, he has met them on theirs,

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often traveling to apparatus locations throughout the county to troubleshoot issues,

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deploy updates, and ensure critical systems remain operational.

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His willingness to immerse himself in public safety operations, learn unfamiliar technologies,

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and advocate for his customers, has been instrumental in maintaining momentum throughout

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the implementation.

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Donovan demonstrates a strong commitment to public service by consistently putting the needs

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of his customers first.

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His technical expertise, responsiveness, and unwavering commitment to supporting public safety

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have a direct impact on the county's ability to provide critical emergency services.

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by collaborating across agencies, addressing issues in the field, and remaining engaged throughout

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the project.

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He has made a meaningful contribution to this implementation.

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Next, we have the Florida Economic Development Council Innovation and Marketing Award.

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Good morning, Commissioner.

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As KTracy Fisters, Economic Development Director today, I am proud to share that the Shirley County

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Economic Development Office has received a statewide award from the Florida Economic Development

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Council for our permanent change of station workforce attraction campaign, part of a broader

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careers on the coast initiative. This campaign was designed to attract skilled workers, military

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families, and transitioning service members to Charlotte County by connecting meaningful career

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opportunities with exceptional quality of life, our community offers.

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We know that veterans and former service members bring leadership.

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Discipline, teamwork, and dedication, then employees value, highly, I'm sorry, employee

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ears, value, highly, and who wouldn't want to hire someone who has proudly worn a uniform

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of our country. And who wouldn't want to live and work in play in a purple heart community

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that honors and admires our veterans and military families.

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Charlotte County proudly recognizes the sacrifices made by those who have served and we remain

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committed to creating a welcoming community where we can all thrive and continue to live and work.

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Through targeted digital advertising, geo-fensing around military installations, relocating,

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relocation messaging and workforce focused storytelling, the campaign generated more than a

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million targeted impressions nationwide and more than 6,000 visits to workforce attraction

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and relocation resources that we've provided. A major focus of this campaign is reaching military

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connected audiences and positioning

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Charlotte County as a place where service

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members and their families can successfully

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transition into civilian careers raise their families

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and build long-term futures.

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This award especially is meaningful because it

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recognizes economic development marketing that

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directly supports workforce growth along-term

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community competitiveness.

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Workforce availability remains one of the

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the top factors that concern companies in our community

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to provide quality goods and services to our residents.

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Initiatives like Careers on the Coast continue to strengthen

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Charlotte County's reputation as a workforce ready

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and veteran friendly community.

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Additionally, I would like to recognize our talented marketing

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manager, Maria Vasciala Sorrellow, who is not here today.

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But for her hard work, creativity and dedication

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in leading this campaign, her efforts helped position Charlotte County among our peers

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across the state of Florida and earned this distinguished statewide recognition.

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We are grateful for her and the rest of the economic development team for their commitment

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to promoting our community and telling the story of why Charlotte County is special,

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so special to live and work. I'd also like to thank the board for your continued support

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For economic development and workforce initiatives, along with our community partners, schools, employers and county staff who helped to make this campaign possible.

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We are honored and blessed to receive the statewide recognition and proud to continue promoting Charlotte County as a place where careers, opportunities, patriotism and quality of life come together. Thank you.

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If you want to take a picture, what do you want to do?

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Okay.

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Go forward.

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You're so good.

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Okay.

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Next we have Excellence in Business Award.

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And commissioners today would like to introduce Christy Cisler.

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She is our Business Recruitment Manager.

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And she's going to be doing this next award.

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For the record, Christy Cisler, Economic Development Office.

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Good morning.

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Commissioner is ladies and gentlemen.

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On behalf of the Charlotte County Economic Development Office, it is my honor to present the Excellence in Business Award.

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This recognition is reserved for businesses that demonstrate leadership, strengthen our local economy, and show meaningful commitment to the community they serve.

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Today we are proud to recognize Buffalo Graphics.

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Founded in 1988, Buffalo Graphics has been a part of Charlotte County's business community for more than 35 years.

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What began as a family-owned company has grown into a second-generation local business now led by Jordan Aquila who serves as the owner and president.

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The ordinance leadership, Buffalo Graphics has continued to grow, modernize and serve as a trusted creative and production partner for businesses, non-profits, public sector organizations, healthcare providers, financial institutions, and community partners throughout Charlotte County and Southwest Florida.

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Both of the graphics is more than a print company.

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It is a full-service operation offering printing, graphic design, mailing, signs and raps,

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embroidery, screen printing, dye sublimation, promotional products, and branded online store

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fronts.

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That range of services allows local organizations to keep more of their marketing branding

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and communications work right here in Charlotte County.

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The company has also continued to invest in its future.

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From 2023 to 2025, Buffalo Graphics reported revenue growth of approximately 26.5%, with

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2025 marking the strongest year in the company's history.

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During that same time, the company continued to reinvest in equipment facility improvements,

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software work flow systems and modern tools that help improve communication and customer

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service.

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But what truly sets Buffalo Graphics apart is the way the company pairs business success with

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community responsibility.

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Over the past three years, Buffalo Graphics has contributed more than $47,000 in combined

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community investment through direct donations, donated print services, and discounted services

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for local nonprofit organizations.

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In 2025 alone, the company provided more than $22,000 in combined giving, including donated

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and discounted print services to 28 local nonprofits.

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Those organizations include the Charlotte County Community Foundation, the Animal

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Well Fair League, our TWIT Institute for Mental Health, Coana's Foundation of Charlotte

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County and many others.

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Buffalo Graphics has also supported major local events including the our TWIT Institute

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Golf and tennis fundraiser, the golf course partnership, art show and Coana's Foundation

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golf tournaments.

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Through the support Buffalo Graphics helps local nonprofits promote events, race funds and share

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their missions and reach the people who need the most.

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Jordan's commitment to the community also extends beyond the business itself.

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He serves as the president of the Charlotte County Jazz Society, helping preserve and promote

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live jazz music in our community while supporting music scholarships for students.

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Across the last two seasons, concert proceeds helped fund $25,000 in scholarships for nine

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local high school students pursuing advanced music education.

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Buffalo Graphics also invest in people.

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The company has built a strong team culture, including long-serving employees and returning

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team members, who have come back into key roles in sales and operations.

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The company is also an active partner in Charlotte Technical College's design program.

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For multiple years, Buffalo Graphics has hosted students for production floor tours once

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twice each school year. Giving them a first-hand look at creative careers in action. The company

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has also hired program graduates into full-time creative roles, including its current art director,

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helping build Charlotte County's local design talent pipeline. This is the kind of business

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excellence we are proud to recognize in Charlotte County. Buffalo Graphics has grown responsibly

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invested in its team and supported local students, helps non-profit succeed and continues to

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and modernized while remaining deeply connected to the community it serves.

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For its leadership, business growth, innovation, community investment, and lasting commitment to Charlotte County,

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the Charlotte County Economic Development Office is proud to present the Excellence in Business Award to Buffalo Graphics.

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At this time, I would like to invite Jordan Aquila to come forward and accept the award.

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Congratulations to Jordan and the entire Buffalo Graphics team on this well-deserved reputation.

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And after a photo, we'd like to say a few words.

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Mr. Chair, before Jordan comes up, I recently got to meet him and he is now going to be participating in comedy for a cause this year.

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So I've got another recruit that you get to see in my October at the Twisted Fort. It's going to be great.

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Thank you. I am very grateful for the economic development for this recognition and I'll be honest. I don't love being up here because this award doesn't really belong to me.

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It belongs to my team and my family who started this business and grew this business and I'm very thankful for all the opportunities we've been

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Thank you. Thank you, sir.

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Well, if you're a little nervous coming up to the mic, wait till comedy for

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cause, you'll have hundreds of people. We're going to cure that. Hackling you.

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All right. Gentlemen, we're going to move on to public input, agenda items only. Anybody

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wishing to address the board during this portion of the meeting must fill out a card, state their name

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for the record and state which agenda item or items will be addressed. Remark shall be limited to three minutes.

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and shall be addressed to the Commission as a body and not to individual members.

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I have my cards here.

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If you haven't filled out a card, they're to my right over there at the table.

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Lynn

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Matthews, regarding the TDC appointment.

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Good morning, Chairman to say how commissioners, it's a pleasure to be here this morning.

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And I thank you for the opportunity to introduce myself to you.

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I'll go you all know me.

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I have applied for the TDC appointment and I would like to just share

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a little bit about my background.

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I bring three decades of experience in the hospitality

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and tour and travel business.

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And I was a small business owner and upstate New York

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with my husband when we lived there.

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I believe that all of my credentials could greatly benefit

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the TDC and I would really like to ask for your vote.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next I have Sean Wilson on item regular agenda S3,

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the LGAO award.

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Good morning, members of the County Commission

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staff and citizens of Charlie County. My name is Sean Wilson. I'm the president of Blue Sky

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Communities with offices at 180 Fountain Parkway North in St. Petersburg. I am here today to ask for your

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support for the Blue Deep Creek Phase 2 Affordable Housing Development, which is coming up on regular

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agenda item S3. I want to thank this commission and the county for working with Blue Sky in

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spirit of partnership and cooperation for nine years.

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We first proposed our jack around to place development all the way back in 2017, and I'm

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proud to say that we did get that built successfully with help from the county on the state.

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We also were able to successfully get funding for Blue Deep Creek Phase 1 on Luther Road through

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the same process that we're requesting today, the LGAO funding, and then we came through

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and we won the funding at the state with that commitment from you all.

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I think we've been good partners, we've always done what we said we're going to do.

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We try to keep drama to a minimum.

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And most importantly, we've had been providing housing for some of the hardest working people in Charlotte County,

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including a lot of folks with special needs over there at the Jackaranda Place property.

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Blue Sky has made a lot of commitments to this development over the past 12 months, and not only do we own the land already at Blue Deep Creek Phase 2, so there's no contract with the seller, there's no crazy extensions, we own the land, but we also came through your regular zoning process.

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We went from 10 units per acre zoning to a 15 units per acre zoning.

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And you all had an effect and approved this development and a manner of speaking when you approved the zoning back in March.

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And then finally, and perhaps most importantly, we took a cue from the state of Florida who said that they want to see these affordable housing developments be more permit ready before they apply for funding.

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We're doing that.

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The architecture and engineering is done. We're about halfway through the permitting.

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So when we win this funding, we will be ready to go, again, no drama, no bumping up against closing deadlines.

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We'll be complete permitting in December, which is right around the time that the state is going to make its final awards.

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So you can count on us to get this thing in the ground quickly.

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And I, all the hard work I think that we've done over the past years and the past 12 months

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was really recognized in many ways.

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Also our commitment to conform to the consolidated plan I think was recognized by the

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Home Review Committee and their initial ranking, we actually were the highest scoring

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applicant.

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We scored 86, the other applicants scored 82, and hopefully that result will carry the

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day today as well.

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Thank you very much, commissioners.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Samuel,

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TURPENING S-6-A-W-L.

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Good morning, commissioners.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning, Miss Samuel TURPENING, and I'm here to bring some raw

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common sense and black leather wall to the agenda regarding the animal wealth.

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I wrote a speech, but I don't need to speak. I'll just let you guys know. The Florida single audit act requires that we demand an audit of every single 501-3C that we choose to contract with outside of using our tax dollars.

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And so, because of that, the floor to single audit act

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demands that we have a line by line item on that audit,

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and so that we can see exactly what's going on.

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Furthermore, in your own contract from 2013,

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it also says that you have the ability to demand

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all of these things that the floor to single audit act

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also requires.

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So in two different levels, you're saying that you have the right

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through the law and through the state of Florida in order to require an audit.

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That audit is not only a breakdown of the money of our tax dollars, the people's money.

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It also is about the animals.

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In Charlotte County, it says that we're only responsible for strayes as our homeless animals

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and bite cases for 10 days.

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Yet they originally aid WL as for $1.3 million.

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A jump from $384,000 in no one's gonna ask, where's the money?

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Can anybody do some math here and ask how much $1.3 million how many animals I could take care of?

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So I just adopted an animal last night because my beloved animal just passed away.

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And it was $400. I made sure that it didn't have to go to a shelter.

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it was horribly abused, and it got to come to my home last night.

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So this isn't about the animals or taking it or not taking care of our animals.

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This is about the rule of law and what is required.

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Not only for the animal welfare league but for all 501-3Cs that we require, if you want

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our tax dollars, we would like to know how that money is being spent.

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and how it's being spent. And as business owners as one Matthew's point did out, ROI, what

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is our return on investment? Are the animals truly being taken care of or where is this money going?

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We have the rule of law on our side in order to demand the answer to those questions before we

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any further. I appreciate your time and God bless everyone today. Thank you.

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Thank you, sir. Thank you for your comments. Mr. Tim Richie R1.

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I'm sorry.

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That's one.

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Good morning, everybody.

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Good morning.

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I see today we have seen up

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and it's for Glades County. Why?

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Now there's going to be $200,000 that's provided by the EPA,

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and then we've got this little graph here for the Glades signed by Sean and CNAP.

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Then we've got this interlocal agreement with Manatee County and CNAP.

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One of the last time many of you have been on the Peace River.

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Yeah, look closely. Commissioner 2x.

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You know, we're in a phase 3 water shortage per swift mud.

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You know what's going on up the peace river and the myacca river? I'll tell you what.

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Mosaic, fertilizer, phosphate, mining, slash chemical company.

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Our harbor, I want you all to know this because I was on radio St. Pete Saturday and I let him know.

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Do you know how much environmental damage Mosaic has done to our harbor in our river?

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Take a wild guess.

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They got hit with a 1.8 billion dollar environmental fine in 2016.

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2015. I estimate from Tampa Bay to Charlotte Harbor in the allele.

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The fire, the little manatee, the manatee, my act in peace. I bet you, commissioner, dirty, we're pushing

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500 to 750 billion dollars in environmental damage.

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And what have we gotten from Sena? What have we

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gotten from any 501C that we give money to? I'll tell you what a big fat zero everybody. How

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much money will it cost to dredge the peace river from Lake Hancock, past Polk, past Hardy,

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through Disoto to Charlotte County to the end of our harbor.

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And what are we going to do with that 12 to 15 feet of muck?

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Each one of the rivers I mentioned need that.

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Have any of you written the letter to Governor DeSantis

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are mosaic say we want to investigate these waste water facilities and reverse osmosis

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that Mr. Tim Richie our citizen waters are has told Senator Albritton has told the

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piece of her water authority in all of you. I want to see a letter written by the next meeting

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from one of you. Thank you sir. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Just for the record that was item R1 in local agreement between Charlotte County behalf

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of the Coastal and Heartland National Estuary Partnership and Manatee County, not S1.

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Thank you, Commissioner.

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It covers water quality.

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Yeah, the whole enchilada.

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No, that was for my board for the record.

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Thank you, sir.

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Cole Kelly S1.

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Good morning, Commissioner.

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Good morning, sir.

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My name is Cole Kelly and I am running for the TDC Board.

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I strongly feel that I would be the best applicant and I would love to serve our county

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on this board.

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I am Sunseeker Resorts, current water sports provider, through my company Ponegorda

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Adventures.

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I work very closely with Fisherman's Village, through my company, the Charlotte

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Harper Garden Map, and I'm on the forefront of AI and technology in this business,

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but also being a captain and working on the water every single day.

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I also have a good mix of conservation and I know what makes our destination extra special.

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I'm out on the water, we currently have over 75,000 followers on all platforms and I actively

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work and promoting our destination with the tourism bureau already on a very frequent basis.

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I think my young mix of AI4 technology also still being able to balance things for conservation

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efforts would be best served to fit our tourism development county actively involved in all types

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of conservation projects around Charlotte County including Captains for Clean Water,

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the Coastal Conservation Association and we just planted a 10 metric ton oyster bed out in Turtle Bay.

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I am young and active in the community and as well as in business, I didn't have a hospitality

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business decades ago. I'm actively working with the current members on the board. Then I think

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together we can make a really great change with the county. Some of the things that I think are really

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important is to have better signage at some of our outlanding places as well as helping bring

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larger corporate groups into the county to promote better bed taxing.

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Thank you so much.

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I look forward to working hard for you in the citizens of Charlotte County on the

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Torres Board.

451
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:33,270
Thank you.

452
00:43:33,390 --> 00:43:34,270
Your comments, sir.

453
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:37,910
Aerial, fraynard, S3,

454
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,100
Aerial S, oh there he is, coming around.

455
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,500
Good afternoon, commissioners, Aerial, frayn with housing trust group.

456
00:43:56,100 --> 00:44:01,620
I'm a senior vice president with housing trust group, we're based out of 3225 Aviation Avenue

457
00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:02,700
in Coconut Grove, Florida.

458
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:09,820
very happy to be with you here all regarding Murdoch Square, the other development that is requesting the local government contribution.

459
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:16,500
I've had a chance to meet with some of you, but not all, and I wanted to first and foremost introduce housing trust group.

460
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,680
We have developed over 10,000 units since 1997.

461
00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:28,660
Most of our developments are working with local nonprofits, municipalities, private entities, all across the state and nation wide.

462
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:34,360
our team is vertically integrated, so we have development finance, construction and management in

463
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:34,760
house.

464
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:42,480
We are very excited about Murdoch Square because back in 2025 we were working with staff

465
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,420
to identify the area of interest where we can bring a site forward to the state and we believe

466
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:52,520
right on veterans, both of our close to poor charter town center is an excellent opportunity

467
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,200
to bring an affordable housing development of HG's quality to the county.

468
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,960
One thing I want to address is some of the comments I will read as relates to.

469
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,220
You know, the site in the scoring that we're done at the AHACC. So, we have long-term site control with the seller, which is what the requirement is.

470
00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:23,820
We wanted to identify and infill site close to employment centers, close to work, close to walkability. To give people that live there, the residents, the opportunity to not have to rely heavily on transit and to be close to their work and their job. That was the goal and that's a scoring criteria at the state.

471
00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:32,140
The third, the scoring as it relates to the A-hack, the only reason that we scored lowers because we were offering a wider range of income levels.

472
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,760
So we were offering some 70% AMI units and we were also offering lower bands of 30%.

473
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:43,700
Just to give you a perspective, a family of three, a family of three household that's earning about $60,000,

474
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:50,640
would technically be priced out of the Blue Deep Creek site, just based on earning too much money, where we wanted to capture that.

475
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:57,320
If you match it, the same out, if we were to match the same income levels, we would have

476
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,180
actually scored one point higher, and that's due to our superior location of the site.

477
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,900
The other thing I just wanted to note, BlueDee Creek is not permit ready this year.

478
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,800
So our goal is as well to start spending money on design and construction engineering drawings,

479
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,920
so that we are permit ready letter, should we not be obtaining the funding next year.

480
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,260
And lastly, I would say, we have more units.

481
00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:23,400
We have three bedroom units to capture larger families and

482
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,380
hard chances of funding.

483
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:25,580
So thank you very much.

484
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:26,260
Thank you, sir.

485
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,620
That was my last speaking card.

486
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:29,320
So last call.

487
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:30,260
Anybody wish to speak?

488
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,160
Please come forward.

489
00:46:31,340 --> 00:46:32,060
Stay tuned for the record.

490
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,040
You'll have three minutes.

491
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:36,180
And when you're done, we'll get you to fill out a card.

492
00:46:40,070 --> 00:46:41,190
Good morning, commissioners.

493
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:43,450
Jennifer Hecker with the coast on Heartland National

494
00:46:43,450 --> 00:46:44,390
History Partnership.

495
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:48,510
Speaking on P11 and our one first one

496
00:46:48,510 --> 00:46:55,910
clarify we're with the U.S. EPA, not 501C3, and we wanted to just quickly correct for the record

497
00:46:55,910 --> 00:47:01,870
in for the public that we do and have done many, many things and continue to do for Charlotte

498
00:47:01,870 --> 00:47:08,270
County. We ourselves have funded over 20 years of water sampling in Charlotte Harbor. We put

499
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:14,090
all of that data onto the CH&AP water Atlas where it's publicly accessible with data analysis tools

500
00:47:14,090 --> 00:47:18,450
to give you real life readouts on the water conditions out there in the harbor and other

501
00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:25,490
waterways in Charlotte County. We also have recently finished funding the for 200,000,

502
00:47:25,770 --> 00:47:30,530
the comprehensive vulnerability assessment in Charlotte County, which will make you eligible

503
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:36,990
for more resiliency Florida state grants, and kind of identify where your vulnerable critical

504
00:47:36,990 --> 00:47:42,310
assets are and what we need to help adapt those to be more resilient for future storms.

505
00:47:42,310 --> 00:47:47,950
We also are embarking on a new project with your staff, called the Charlotte County

506
00:47:47,950 --> 00:47:49,030
exceptional Ponds.

507
00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:53,610
It is a project that your staff brought to us that we are now funding and we'll begin

508
00:47:53,610 --> 00:47:54,610
this year.

509
00:47:55,390 --> 00:47:59,770
We also find keep Charlotte beautiful to do cleanups throughout the community.

510
00:48:00,310 --> 00:48:04,130
That's just a sampling of the many things that we are providing to you.

511
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:09,470
The return on investment is tenfold for what you provide to us and what we provide

512
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:13,570
back and being able to leverage those funds to get federal funds back to our community.

513
00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:19,130
I just wanted to also say that the water quality problems we experience in Charlotte

514
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:22,170
Harbor are not isolated, unfortunately, to the Peace River.

515
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:25,330
We cover the Myacca, the Peace, and the Close to Hatchie River.

516
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:30,010
A lot of our studies show that the loading coming out of Close to Hatchie has one of the most

517
00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:32,510
serious impacts on lower Charlotte Harbor.

518
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:38,870
It's what's driving nutrients into this estuary and really, you know, I'm not to say that

519
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:44,070
piece of my ACA aren't also an issue, and there aren't also nutrient loads, but we actually

520
00:48:44,070 --> 00:48:49,330
have done the science to see that the Cluse Hatchian, fortunately, is the largest driver of the

521
00:48:49,330 --> 00:48:55,790
three river systems. We are working on all three of them, but Glades County of course sits on the

522
00:48:55,790 --> 00:49:02,810
Cluse Hatchi. So it really does behooves the people of Charlotte County to address this issue in a regional

523
00:49:02,810 --> 00:49:07,470
scale, and we are happy to partner with you to do that. Thank you. Thank you for your comments,

524
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:12,290
Last call, anybody who has to speak, please come forward, state your name, for the record, you'll have three minutes.

525
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:17,230
Hi, I'm Terry Zee, just some executive director for the animal welfare leak.

526
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:23,410
And I just wanted to take one minute to publicly thank Hector Flores and Emily Lewis for their time and dedication

527
00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:29,950
as well as all of you up here for working very hard with all of us at the animal welfare leak.

528
00:49:29,950 --> 00:49:39,710
for not only coming to partially agreeing with our contract, but for working very hard over

529
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:45,330
the last four weeks to try very hard to come to an agreement for today. We didn't quite

530
00:49:45,330 --> 00:49:49,370
get there, but we're working very hard and we're hopeful to come to you on September

531
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:53,470
Eve. But I just wanted to take the time and thank them publicly for their hard work

532
00:49:53,470 --> 00:49:56,130
and dedication. It's been a pleasure to work with you over the last couple of weeks.

533
00:49:56,650 --> 00:49:57,250
Thank you very much.

534
00:49:57,250 --> 00:49:58,730
Thank you for your comments, ma'am.

535
00:49:58,850 --> 00:49:59,970
Anybody else wishing to speak, please come-

536
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,720
The report states your name for the record. You'll have three minutes. Okay. Nobody's rising when we move on to consent. Commissioner Doye, anything to pull?

537
00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:10,060
Commissioner Truex.

538
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:11,500
Commissioner Constance.

539
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:11,780
Nothing.

540
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:12,440
Commissioner Doye.

541
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:13,700
Nothing. I have nothing.

542
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:14,720
Move the consent.

543
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:15,880
We have motion, exactly.

544
00:50:15,940 --> 00:50:17,680
Move the consent. Is there any further discussion?

545
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:18,480
Yes, sir.

546
00:50:18,980 --> 00:50:19,540
Commissioner Constance.

547
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,580
So, just item F9 is the approval, approve ranking, design for anger,

548
00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:27,460
of the Fishing Peer Community Services.

549
00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:32,920
Bruts of the last meeting that we're having an issue

550
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,660
with the fact that the 41 bridges have been closed to fishing.

551
00:50:37,220 --> 00:50:39,700
And we're going to address it at the MPO meeting on Monday.

552
00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:45,000
I would like to request Mr. Flores have somebody from staff,

553
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,000
whether it's Mr. Elias or Tommy or somebody,

554
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,020
but come and just give us a brief update on what's happening

555
00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:59,940
with all of the fishing fears in general, just a quick synopsis because we're going to have

556
00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:03,580
a probably a room full of fish in there and I just want to make sure that we have somebody

557
00:51:03,580 --> 00:51:08,220
to give an update because we're going to be speaking with Mr. Gator and Secretary and I think

558
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:11,200
we're going to come to a resolution, but I think it's important that we have everything

559
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,440
on the table for everyone. So folks know the currently what's available and what our plan

560
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,280
to resolve the issue will be, I just don't want to go in there blind. I think it's important

561
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,000
and we have full disclosure of where we're at,

562
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:26,180
and also what's happening just in general with permitting army

563
00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:28,060
core and why it's taking so long.

564
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:30,620
It's a understandable frustration,

565
00:51:31,260 --> 00:51:34,540
but I just think an update would be well-advised

566
00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:35,200
with that meeting.

567
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:36,300
Thank you.

568
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:36,480
Thank you, sir.

569
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,040
Commissioner Dwight.

570
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,420
Thank you.

571
00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:40,540
We discussed this in our one-and-one today,

572
00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:43,880
because I think a lot of us, I know I was concerned

573
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,080
about the closing of the bridge,

574
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:53,360
for fishing and specifically, and from what I understand the information that got passed

575
00:51:53,360 --> 00:52:01,780
down to me, literally the state reacted to one complaint. There was one complaint from one

576
00:52:01,780 --> 00:52:07,900
person about the fishing on the bridge, and I think they overreacted to that. I think they've

577
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:14,780
acknowledged that, and I think we can anticipate the next few days of not the next few weeks

578
00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:17,860
the bridge will be open again to Fishing.

579
00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:19,820
So, thank you, sir.

580
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:21,760
Yeah, just quick comment.

581
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,100
I believe Mrs. Lewis has a comprehensive list of the peers, so we can make that available.

582
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:33,720
It's pretty easy then like a one-pager with the update, the status and where we are with each with each of those peers.

583
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:36,120
Is there any further discussion on this item?

584
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,380
Is there any opposition to the motion?

585
00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:41,200
Okay, consent passes unanimously.

586
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:48,820
We're going to move on to a regular agenda S1, a point by ballot, tourist development council.

587
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:51,300
Okay, that's just have to worry.

588
00:53:30,850 --> 00:53:34,930
Okay, commissioners for this item, for the tourist development council ballot.

589
00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:37,410
Mr. Cole Kelly has the majority votes.

590
00:53:38,090 --> 00:53:39,490
Do we have a motion?

591
00:53:39,810 --> 00:53:41,750
Do we have a motion?

592
00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:42,530
Mr. Kelly?

593
00:53:44,490 --> 00:53:45,030
We have a second.

594
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:52,550
We have motion a second to approve Mr. Kelly as the new tourist development council appointing. Is there any further discussion?

595
00:53:54,750 --> 00:54:06,270
Is there any further discussion? Is there any opposition to the motion? That passes unanimously. Okay, when we want to item S2 Metro forecasting model update Mr. Bailey, right next to present.

596
00:54:06,270 --> 00:54:15,030
Good morning, Commissioner has been Bailey Community Development Director. I'm just here to introduce David Farmer from Metro 4 casting to give us the latest update on population projections.

597
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:17,230
So I will hand it over to him.

598
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,020
Thank you, Ben.

599
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:25,080
Good morning, for the record. My name is David Farmer representing Metro 4 casting models. Thank you for having me here today.

600
00:54:27,370 --> 00:54:28,330
Let's get through that.

601
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:34,310
My partner, Dr. Paul Van Bussker, can have been a theater actor of growth models. We've been using for the last three years to model you.

602
00:54:34,310 --> 00:54:39,470
In fact, what I don't show it off in this presentation, you know, any extra money that's

603
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:44,550
ever left over for projects we do, all goes back and R&D and we just developed the IGM5.0

604
00:54:44,550 --> 00:54:45,930
and that was used for this update.

605
00:54:47,590 --> 00:54:48,670
Quick walk down memory lane.

606
00:54:48,830 --> 00:54:50,530
We originally started working for you in 2023.

607
00:54:51,810 --> 00:54:55,650
We did an update in 2024 because that was part of the original contract to do an automatic

608
00:54:56,110 --> 00:54:56,510
update.

609
00:54:57,150 --> 00:54:59,490
Then we updated again twice in 2025.

610
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,840
February, and then again, with February day to then, then with August day to December, and now we're here

611
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:11,980
to you today with April data. And this time, we've actually backfilled our data with certificate of occupancy

612
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:16,920
data, which might sound like a bunch of gobbledy look. But that means that it's dead on accurate. We have

613
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:24,640
every single door knob verified and committed. It's a quick refresher on the IGM. It's a very accurate,

614
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:31,180
complex growth management tool. It's really designed for a long-range planning, planning

615
00:55:31,180 --> 00:55:36,400
for facilities and informing boards like yourselves of the needs that meant to be readily

616
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,580
obvious about looking 5-10 years down the road. We can see these things are needed to be

617
00:55:40,580 --> 00:55:47,740
in plan budget for them and plan for them, etc. We also use AI as part of our build-out analysis.

618
00:55:48,060 --> 00:55:53,540
It helps give us more accuracy because some zoning allow multiple outcomes and yet the model can

619
00:55:53,540 --> 00:55:58,980
take just one for a parcel, and so we use that for that analysis, and this is up there

620
00:55:58,980 --> 00:56:03,460
also helps us identify some micro macro trends, which I'll be sharing with you today.

621
00:56:04,620 --> 00:56:08,600
What really makes us different than our competition, and actually most four casters in general,

622
00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:15,880
is that we believe that growth happens in an organic fashion following a logistic curve to get

623
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:21,000
a little ahead of myself, we have 353 zones in Charlotte County, and each one has a very

624
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,940
very complex curve that makes that up. In fact, our new model actually now looks at all

625
00:56:25,940 --> 00:56:31,500
of the building data, per zone, and then does a ton of statistical analysis, like 1100 times,

626
00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:38,080
to reach the growth factors for each one of these. As you are probably aware, when you have

627
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,480
a whole bunch of things, zone 1, 2, 3, zone 4, 5, 6, they're just numbers, they don't only mean

628
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:50,860
much. So we categorize them into clusters so that when we talk about things, they're a little

629
00:56:50,860 --> 00:56:54,680
that's sort of interesting, but when I say Babcock, now you can zero one and exactly what I'm

630
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,420
talking about, and that's why we do those. All right, so I'm jumping right to the dessert to

631
00:56:59,420 --> 00:57:08,040
the findings. You've had some growth in case you've worked aware. I 2022 was your peak. And

632
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:13,240
and to no fault, and I mean this, through no fault of your planning department or your facilities

633
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:19,020
directors or what not, your levels of service have declined. That brings up bullet point number two.

634
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:22,840
It declined because you've had it 50,000 people since the census.

635
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,980
That's more than a 25% growth rate in five years.

636
00:57:27,140 --> 00:57:30,620
I know you're feeling, I know you can see it when you drive around town and so forth.

637
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:33,040
And I know you know this, but I have to say it on the record.

638
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:33,900
That's a lot.

639
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:34,680
That's a lot.

640
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,500
I moved here from Fairbanks to Alaska.

641
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:38,540
The Greater Fairbanks area is very slow and so on.

642
00:57:38,540 --> 00:57:40,960
It's about 32,000, but the area is about 50,000.

643
00:57:41,620 --> 00:57:43,780
Today, that was a 1989, today it's 50,000.

644
00:57:44,180 --> 00:57:48,320
You guys have added that, but if all of a need of springs picked up and moved here

645
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,820
since 2020 is the kind of people we're talking about.

646
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:59,900
So, since January of 25, 2025, you have added 7,500 units, and if you pay attention to your

647
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:04,300
building permit, take it away for a minute, if that's crazy, we didn't issue that many building

648
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:10,200
permits, and that's what we call lag, lags, especially with higher end single family homes,

649
00:58:10,620 --> 00:58:11,520
and multi family projects.

650
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,960
It could be 18 to 24 months from when you'd issue a permit where it actually hits the books

651
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,940
shows up. But again, these are all verified with CO's because I looked at number four or five

652
00:58:20,940 --> 00:58:24,320
times to make sure that it was right because it was a big one.

653
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,300
So you've had a non-going trend.

654
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:34,200
Your commercial development back in 23 was about 70 square feet per capita and I've got a

655
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:40,300
graph to show you a few minutes to show that stacks up. But it's your commercial. You're adding

656
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:44,020
that at a few hundred thousand square feet over the last few years but it's just not keeping

657
00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:48,900
up with your population growth, and that's added into congestion and traffic woes and so forth.

658
00:58:49,260 --> 00:58:53,040
Today you're at about 63 square feet on a per capita basis.

659
00:58:53,580 --> 00:58:58,020
We think that, I'm pretty sure this is true, you're leaking to, your retail demand is leaking

660
00:58:58,020 --> 00:59:02,080
both to Charlotte County to let our service for the county to the north and to Lee County

661
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:02,840
to the south.

662
00:59:03,220 --> 00:59:04,220
Mr. County, Mr. County.

663
00:59:04,220 --> 00:59:04,420
Mr. County, Mr. County.

664
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:05,220
Yeah.

665
00:59:05,380 --> 00:59:05,800
Go ahead.

666
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,480
Your presentation is always amazing.

667
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:15,360
I do want to ask though, you know, a lot of the sales that have gone on in the last 20

668
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,440
years, especially after COVID, things have been very disruptive.

669
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,860
And a lot of people are just shopping by their mailbox.

670
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:29,540
So, you know, I would assume we're going to be seeing a lot more delivery service type of

671
00:59:29,540 --> 00:59:34,000
businesses booming as, you know, if you go to the mall, it's very quiet.

672
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,620
If you go to a lot of the small businesses that you would arrive on foot, they're not getting

673
00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:41,860
shops as they were 20 years ago.

674
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:50,240
So as part of that lag in your estimation, underestimated or overestimated in other words,

675
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,680
if we're looking at by the old standards, yeah, we're way behind, but maybe by the new standards,

676
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,980
again, you're being organic and heavy looking at these things, maybe this is just...

677
01:00:00,780 --> 01:00:29,980
Right. And that's, I would very miss in my job if I hadn't heard that question before and had an answer ready for you. And it's not just a can't answer. We're well aware of the Amazonification, if you will. That's a real word or not, but people shopping from there, from their laptops and from their phones, it does happen. But there's also things like Instacart. You've heard of that. Well, those still originate from real retail centers. And so yes, in the old days, there's a lot

678
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:34,780
days and I'll show you in our in my chartland a few minutes here that actually a hundred square

679
01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:40,340
feet was considered absolutely normal for an area to have. Some places that have hard tours

680
01:00:40,340 --> 01:00:45,280
and have a higher per capita. Some places have a lower one because of either socioeconomic

681
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,760
issues or because they're actually shopping in nearby counties. But we think that you still

682
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:57,800
should be in the 75 range easy without breaking a sweat. Part of this could also be not just

683
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,220
but also a lagging and employment as well.

684
01:01:01,540 --> 01:01:04,000
So we'd like to encourage some redevelopments

685
01:01:04,580 --> 01:01:07,060
in this area right here where I stand.

686
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,320
It was a maze monster driving up 41 this morning

687
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,500
of all the retail and shops and businesses

688
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:14,860
to the side which is great.

689
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,820
But I think about all of the new people

690
01:01:17,820 --> 01:01:19,800
that are really living on the e-babcock

691
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,800
in that sort of area and off to the west.

692
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,500
And of course, north of here as well.

693
01:01:24,660 --> 01:01:26,240
You've had a huge influx of people.

694
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,240
And those areas when you look at it, they have a basically about a 711, their food deserts.

695
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,720
I'm not calling Babcock a food desert, of course they have a public and they've got another one on the way.

696
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:39,000
But we still think that you're short, no matter which way we slice it.

697
01:01:39,340 --> 01:01:43,720
Yes, those services are reducing the need for some of the big box stores.

698
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:47,800
But it not as much as one might think.

699
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,900
So, and I don't know how much risk thank you, good answer.

700
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:58,240
I don't know how much you've researched Northport, but I'm sure you have to look at the surrounding areas and how they feed in.

701
01:01:58,820 --> 01:02:00,960
Do you have any kind of an assessment about how they've grown?

702
01:02:01,060 --> 01:02:05,860
Because they have a pretty healthy commercial corridor from the Charlotte County line.

703
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:15,080
North, you know, they did plan well for multiple malls and businesses that, you know, a lot of us go in frequent.

704
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:16,840
You know, it's so close.

705
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,000
We've kind of grown into CERSA to counting that respect.

706
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,660
How has their planning worked out?

707
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:30,620
They had an ability to wait 30 years and plan after they saw what went on with our little

708
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:37,040
strip areas on 41, maybe not as successful, where we're having some, you know, again, research

709
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:42,320
and regeneration, reworking, promenades, and some points going to come on with a new iteration

710
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:43,360
which we've approved.

711
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:49,680
So, and the mall here will get redeveloped at some point, so, you know, what is your opinion of what's going on over there?

712
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:56,860
I think, so, well, Charlotte County's population has been greater than Northport's Northport had more of a concentration of population.

713
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:12,800
And I think that attracted some of the uses that your residents actually are enjoying right now, and in some cases, it's much faster to drive just a mile north to shop in Northport than it is down here because, again, some of the congestion that we have.

714
01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:19,440
They certainly have some uses that you don't, but I think that largely Charlotte County

715
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:25,680
is undiscovered in terms of what it could be by some of our major retailers and aren't

716
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:31,480
realizing, especially out west, that West cluster is just breathtaking, and I don't know

717
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:38,700
which one of you are the West, but West area, two acts, two acts, I just, my jaw drops every

718
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:41,700
time I look at the building permitting over there in the concentration, now that you've

719
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:46,660
power, all energized now to the south. We think that area is highly underserved. I'm not

720
01:03:46,660 --> 01:03:50,400
trying to dodge your question about Northward, but if it's convenient, yes, drive to North

721
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:55,360
Fort, right? We don't want to say that there's a line, but for every tax dollar that's spent

722
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,460
across the county line, that's another dollar, or a portion of a dollar, it doesn't repatriate itself

723
01:03:59,460 --> 01:04:04,540
back to the county. So, and I know that, look, I realize who my customer is. You guys are the

724
01:04:04,540 --> 01:04:09,000
government, and your job is not to build retail or let, and you have to still, you guys have a lot of

725
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,340
to take it land. And your economic development team is doing an excellent job. We just need

726
01:04:13,340 --> 01:04:18,800
to make sure that we're encouraging some commercial centers, especially to the West. And

727
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,660
Babcock has really been a poster child of the right thing to do. Their commercial is coming

728
01:04:22,660 --> 01:04:29,580
online at a very brief, brief pace faster than I would imagine with similar population growth

729
01:04:29,580 --> 01:04:33,280
in an unorganized fashion. But Babcock has been really great at bringing on industrial and

730
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,220
commercial to meet the needs of their residents. I'd like to see some of that more happening

731
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:44,340
in the west cluster and in the north part of the mid cluster to meet the existing demands and the growing demands that are coming.

732
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:46,020
Thanks, oh yeah.

733
01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:52,510
Let's see, quite an updating annually allows me to look at the data,

734
01:04:52,810 --> 01:04:56,210
or allows our whole team to look at the data and then report to you what we're seeing.

735
01:04:56,970 --> 01:04:59,970
This is a graph of showing to you probably four or five times.

736
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,660
Times that, every time it's been updated, this is different than every graph that we've done for a population,

737
01:05:06,980 --> 01:05:12,880
mostly because it has a sharp acute angle, that is very disdointed and unusual. The genesis of

738
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:18,680
that we believe is Westport slash Murdoch and Babcock coming online at the same time. Your buildup has

739
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:23,880
always been about the same as it is today, maybe a little bit less, but the rate of growth and the

740
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,620
change of absorption has really changed those two projects, and let's not forget about COVID.

741
01:05:27,620 --> 01:05:31,220
but you can't overlook that in the anomaly that it is.

742
01:05:31,580 --> 01:05:33,200
But you can see now the growth in the future

743
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,740
is it looks steeper because it's a little compressed

744
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:37,300
from left to right.

745
01:05:37,660 --> 01:05:39,340
But you have a nice trajectory now going

746
01:05:39,340 --> 01:05:42,940
and I think that once even Westport builds out,

747
01:05:42,980 --> 01:05:44,540
you're going to see a lot more interest in the area

748
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:46,680
because Westport has taken on more commercial

749
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,000
and it's a more convenient place to live.

750
01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:51,460
If that makes sense, it's going to accelerate growth in that area

751
01:05:51,460 --> 01:05:53,640
much the way that Birdstore will

752
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,840
wants to finally see some commercial down that way.

753
01:05:55,980 --> 01:05:56,800
Commissioner Dora, you recognize?

754
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:02,300
Thank you, Mr. Chairman Dave. I'm just looking at your table and you know, we've seen it before you've updated the number of

755
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:12,500
Previously you had indicated that we would probably hit 50% of our build-out population around 2030 obviously now it's moved up to

756
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:13,400
27

757
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,300
Yeah

758
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:15,000
27

759
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:15,520
So

760
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,980
Two years two or three years will only achieve

761
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,000
50% of our total build-out population

762
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,920
Just let that settle

763
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,080
Only will only be half way with our total population.

764
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:36,360
So what that just absorbed is to what it's going to be like here in 20 to 30 years if we don't keep up with infrastructure.

765
01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:38,100
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

766
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:39,120
Thank you, sir.

767
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,020
And we also look at the same graph.

768
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,920
You look at 20, 40, 310,000.

769
01:06:44,140 --> 01:06:47,700
You know, you were to at 187 at the census.

770
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:50,680
And now we're talking about 310, just 20 years later.

771
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,140
that is your growth has been historic.

772
01:06:57,340 --> 01:06:58,640
I don't think it's going to slow down, though. I think

773
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,600
that you guys, yes, it's going to slow down from its peak. You guys are well past your peak,

774
01:07:03,180 --> 01:07:07,960
but the growth we're even seeing today, I think you are going to see that continue on for quite

775
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:14,740
some time. So to do population, people come from houses, right, or they live in houses,

776
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:19,100
at least ideally. And so the more housing units we have, the more population we have,

777
01:07:19,100 --> 01:07:25,940
today. We're sitting on just under 136,000 housing units, actually. That was as of the end of March,

778
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:32,780
and you can see your buildout is projected by us to be about 270. I will tell you that numbers

779
01:07:32,780 --> 01:07:38,820
low. I'll tell you that because the methodology we use is we don't go around just knocking down

780
01:07:38,820 --> 01:07:43,880
shopping centers and putting in multi-family or residential that you haven't approved. But I

781
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,760
I look at my crystal ball, especially I drive at 41 and I like to say, you know, 100 units

782
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,160
are looking there and 100 units are looking there, your buildout is probably going to be closer

783
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:58,560
to 285, maybe 100, 200, 90,000 units, but that's a whole lot of decisions, a whole lot

784
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,260
of boards from now.

785
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:09,320
You'll be adding 13,000 more homes between now and 2030, bringing more people with it.

786
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:19,060
I hope you like this next session, I'm trying to make a point here, so we developed this back in 2023 to show you how each area was growing.

787
01:08:20,380 --> 01:08:22,460
And I think it's now fascinating now three years in.

788
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:25,280
If we started the left-hand side, I would look at Babcock.

789
01:08:25,860 --> 01:08:31,160
One might incorrectly assume, well, Babcock is slow down, it's growth is not growing.

790
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:48,120
Well, it's it's maxed out. It's rate of growth. And now it's in a linear phase of that. So that we see those bars will continue to play four or five more years and then they'll slightly they'll go down and their velocity as as Babcock starts approaching it. It's it's build out.

791
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:56,720
We look at Bert Star Road. You can definitely see the projects that have been approved by you and are taking root and building down that way.

792
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:02,940
When we look at East Member East does not include the Babcock area, we pulled that out separately.

793
01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:09,360
You can see there's a little burst there, I think that's near Pana Gorda, where that growth took place.

794
01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:15,840
And we look at the mid, we told you a long time ago that this area right here is still your number one growth spot, no matter what.

795
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,120
It's good, but in terms of velocity, and in terms of how it now growth, this is it right here.

796
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:27,860
So this whole cluster around us, it has a large appetite for services and a lot of they

797
01:09:27,860 --> 01:09:28,880
get lots still.

798
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,260
This area is not even approaching and enclosed to build up, probably not even half.

799
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:38,480
In fact, remember, some of the old math, this area alone is needs another four neighborhood

800
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:39,280
shopping center.

801
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,020
It's below your mind, like four publics type shopping centers in addition to what's here.

802
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:46,620
I'm not saying in the downtown area, but dispersed throughout the area to reduce those

803
01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:47,240
those trip lengths.

804
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:54,660
Punagora is fairly level and then we look at the west and we see that that velocity is really picked up in the past few years

805
01:09:54,660 --> 01:09:59,980
I think that's from your national home builders. I don't not positive, but I think it's your lanars and others that have picked up

806
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:12,040
We're going to go up and spit, sped up that velocity over there. That area was well served, especially in the north end, where it touches the Venice area. I believe you have some Venice people coming down shopping in your area. Of course, you want that to continue.

807
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:19,960
It's my disposal because it adds tax hours. But to the south end of your west corridor, we need some more commercial over there.

808
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:26,800
We are going to have a traffic nightmare, if not already, on our hands. In fact, Elbro, can you raise your hand? Elbro has been doing your day to last three years.

809
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:32,860
And I actually get a head west and we're going to go all the way to the south and get current on what's going on over there.

810
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,760
I know you got a new RV park.

811
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:35,460
It's coming out of it.

812
01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:37,580
Maybe that's open by now.

813
01:10:38,260 --> 01:10:39,740
Anyway, so the comparison I wanted to make.

814
01:10:39,860 --> 01:10:41,540
So now that we've talked about every cluster,

815
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,220
talk about the right and the left, Babcock and West.

816
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,080
In your mind's eye, can you see that 1500 line and sort of draw it?

817
01:10:48,460 --> 01:10:53,640
Let's just pretend those two clusters are about equal in terms of their home building, right?

818
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,660
Okay, so now I've just switched from housing to population.

819
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,120
Note, note how those two areas were sort of same-ish.

820
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:05,060
And note how Babcock is actually adding 3,000 more people a year

821
01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:07,040
while the West is only adding about 25,000.

822
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:08,300
That is demographics.

823
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,060
That's family's versus non-fat.

824
01:11:10,060 --> 01:11:11,520
I'm not saying no family's will be the West.

825
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,220
But in general, when you average it all out,

826
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:15,800
we have more people per housing, you know,

827
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,760
showing up in the Babcock area.

828
01:11:18,220 --> 01:11:19,660
I just thought that was interesting to show you,

829
01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:22,020
where we have similar how building patterns

830
01:11:22,020 --> 01:11:24,720
and yet different populations showing up with, again,

831
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,040
likely, different needs.

832
01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:31,540
These images might look similar to the D.R.

833
01:11:31,540 --> 01:11:34,880
All brand new, this is every door knob that showed up in 2025.

834
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,360
The, I'm going to call that T.O.

835
01:11:38,740 --> 01:11:40,400
The non-orange color.

836
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,020
So you're just your single family.

837
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,060
And you hear what?

838
01:11:44,780 --> 01:11:45,120
Turquoise.

839
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:45,220
Turquoise.

840
01:11:45,220 --> 01:11:45,700
There you go.

841
01:11:49,060 --> 01:11:51,680
And the orange are your multi-family.

842
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:58,780
I will tell you that Babcock is greatly distorted, those housing units are so close together

843
01:11:58,780 --> 01:12:02,280
they're on top of each other and you can't really fully appreciate all of the construction

844
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:03,060
that's going out there.

845
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,140
And that goes for some of the other areas around here too.

846
01:12:05,220 --> 01:12:11,440
You can see, especially down by the legend where it says, Charlie County residential, you

847
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:19,020
can see the burnt start road really taking off and emerging as well as Tucker's point,

848
01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:20,680
I guess called the Willow, I believe.

849
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:25,220
And then to that West area, that West area is really, but even the barrier is, isn't that interesting?

850
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:32,120
You know, I would figure in the end of year, you have two or three building permits out there, but what is that like 15 or 20 happening in the area?

851
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:43,440
So I think these are very interesting to see in useful in terms of recognizing that it's not just one area that's going, you guys are growing fairly evenly as the land and utilities, and such are available.

852
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,100
So, we start with housing now, we'll jump over to population.

853
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,180
So, I said you're going to add 13,000 housing by 2030.

854
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,340
Well, in those housing units, we think you're going to be 25,000 people,

855
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:56,340
based on the demographics.

856
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,420
So, the Westport Murdoch area is going to be, that's going to represent about 21%

857
01:13:04,420 --> 01:13:06,020
of your population.

858
01:13:06,140 --> 01:13:09,600
We think that area will be largely built out close to 2030,

859
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,060
as it closes that cluster of redevelopment there.

860
01:13:13,700 --> 01:13:18,480
A bad cock, 42 percent of all of your future residents between now and 2030 are going to live

861
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:23,520
in the bad cock area, which is why they're bringing on not only their second public, so

862
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:28,440
in 2023, we said by 2035, for sure, bad cock was going to need another one, in fact we're

863
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:34,420
a little bit too conservative in our estimation, it looks like it's going to hit closer to 2029

864
01:13:34,420 --> 01:13:39,700
out there, which is a very good thing, which will actually increase even more velocity we think

865
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:41,880
of their demand for development.

866
01:13:43,580 --> 01:13:48,120
We then have 14% people showing up in the West cluster, which is mind-boggling to me when I look

867
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,840
at all those building permits showing up, but just that also underscores what's happening

868
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,700
over in bad and bad cock as well.

869
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:59,860
And then 9% down in the Burt-Saur corridor, that's not to say it's less desirable, it's just

870
01:13:59,860 --> 01:14:03,500
there's less potential for growth down there than there is in these other areas of the

871
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:03,700
county.

872
01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:10,710
This is some fuzzy math, but what I'm trying to do is get across a general point to you,

873
01:14:10,710 --> 01:14:14,290
And that is, since you've grown by 50,000 people in five years,

874
01:14:15,190 --> 01:14:16,870
more parks are needed, more fire stations.

875
01:14:16,990 --> 01:14:19,030
I know you have a new fire station being built, Kudos.

876
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:22,730
Just looking at the raw numbers, I know more are needed.

877
01:14:24,170 --> 01:14:26,370
I think a call for service analysis

878
01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:30,170
would greatly help understand where and when these new fire stations are needed.

879
01:14:30,850 --> 01:14:32,370
I'd love to do that for you.

880
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:34,510
We also need three new shopping centers.

881
01:14:34,610 --> 01:14:36,210
We know publics is purchased one site.

882
01:14:37,130 --> 01:14:38,830
And I think we're going to see others emerging.

883
01:14:38,830 --> 01:14:41,650
And hopefully one down a burnt star rod in the near future.

884
01:14:44,530 --> 01:14:48,590
And then when population grows, as we know, especially this quickly, levels of service

885
01:14:48,590 --> 01:14:53,230
decline in the way that comes capital spending and planning and so forth.

886
01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:57,550
We want to make sure we have these shopping centers in the right place, not just to keep

887
01:14:57,550 --> 01:14:59,970
the sales taxes, but because we want to cut that...

888
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:19,580
On a trip length, people are driving too far. They're congesting the roads. We can only widen the roads so much. We're going to go broke if we try to widen all the roads. Just to accommodate traffic, whereas we can have these facilities. The shopping centers located in appropriate locations. It really will cut down on on trip traffic. We did a just real quick. We did an analysis last year for Charlotte.

889
01:15:19,580 --> 01:15:24,840
Therefore, Cape Coral, and we found this one neighborhood that they added, if they promoted

890
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,420
two neighborhood shopping centers, that one, there was a demand for three, to head

891
01:15:29,420 --> 01:15:29,540
it.

892
01:15:29,660 --> 01:15:30,980
There's 45,000 in the list.

893
01:15:31,140 --> 01:15:35,620
The diplomat quarters, 45,000 people in the court can support three, and if they just

894
01:15:35,620 --> 01:15:40,280
if they promote two of those being built, today, not in the future, today they're going to

895
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:45,760
save 1.4 million miles of driving and by build out 4 million miles a year, every year,

896
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:46,280
every year.

897
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:51,360
That's 40 cars a year if you had used the old standard of 100,000 a car, 40 cars that

898
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,400
won't have to be built to make those trips anymore.

899
01:15:54,380 --> 01:15:57,080
Without doing the math, I can tell you your case is similar too.

900
01:15:57,300 --> 01:16:00,680
We need to make sure that there's land, side of side, and these outer areas.

901
01:16:01,260 --> 01:16:02,600
In the West area, you pretty much do.

902
01:16:02,740 --> 01:16:07,180
You have some nice tracks of land of it that can accommodate these larger commercial projects.

903
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:13,440
I'm more concerned with the mid-cluster in the northern areas, not right up against necessarily

904
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:18,880
north port, but we probably need to, in a perfect world, we'd be able to take some lots and

905
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:23,460
aggregate them and preserve some six, seven, eight-acre sites to have future grocery stores

906
01:16:23,460 --> 01:16:28,220
and such to, again, reduce the treps plus that'll add to quality life, it'll, it'll make the

907
01:16:28,220 --> 01:16:34,380
tax base grow and so forth. This table, you've seen it before, all the numbers are different. I promise

908
01:16:34,380 --> 01:16:40,360
you, this is saying that by 2030, we actually absolutely need three more neighborhood shopping centers

909
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:45,680
of much astounding is, and this gets back to leakage, is you also need three community shopping

910
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:46,020
centers.

911
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,180
Now, those are nothing that sees that.

912
01:16:48,260 --> 01:16:51,560
We're talking about three to 400,000 square feet of big box stores.

913
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,420
I'm saying you need three of those.

914
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,900
You're not like it to see those in the next five years or even ten years, mostly because

915
01:16:57,900 --> 01:17:02,120
the leakage it's going on, but there is opportunity, especially in the Western cluster, and

916
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:09,220
as Babcock starts building out to have community shopping center facilities in those areas.

917
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:14,560
If you see negative numbers, what that means is that an area is technically over-supplied.

918
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,800
Like, Pana Gord, it might have three neighborhood shopping centers, but it can really

919
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:22,740
only support two-and-a-half in the rest of it as being met by the people surrounding that area.

920
01:17:24,940 --> 01:17:25,500
Here's a map.

921
01:17:25,860 --> 01:17:28,140
This map is not meant to be part of specific.

922
01:17:28,660 --> 01:17:32,140
It's more to say that, hey, in the burnt store corridor, I need a community shopping

923
01:17:32,140 --> 01:17:34,520
center, in a neighborhood shopping center.

924
01:17:35,140 --> 01:17:40,540
Also up in the mid-cluster, we can see that we have a new store called for in 34.

925
01:17:40,540 --> 01:17:47,540
40 and 45, and then over in the west cluster, no later than 2035, we need another neighborhood

926
01:17:47,540 --> 01:17:48,000
over there.

927
01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:49,780
That's placed on commercial lands.

928
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,600
I'd actually love to see that over in the west cluster, that one green shopping cart.

929
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,240
I'd like to see that further south actually because that's for the population concentration

930
01:17:58,240 --> 01:17:59,400
really is.

931
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:04,380
And the northern, where it says Inglewood, and you can see as that 41, whatever road that is, that's

932
01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:04,880
41.

933
01:18:06,140 --> 01:18:06,620
It's what?

934
01:18:06,620 --> 01:18:11,000
seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, six. It goes east, west. We need to get further

935
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,740
far enough of that area. It has a Walmart, two publics, and that area is not undersupplytes

936
01:18:14,740 --> 01:18:20,040
the area south of that that we're concerned about. All right, here's the chart I told you.

937
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:24,140
I was going to show you. This is this is our data. We don't download anything from the internet.

938
01:18:24,620 --> 01:18:29,460
And so that's why I sort of limited and it doesn't have every county around you. But we have

939
01:18:29,460 --> 01:18:34,240
personally mind all of these numbers. And you can see how they average out around a hundred.

940
01:18:36,620 --> 01:18:37,880
But I think it's a useful comparison.

941
01:18:38,140 --> 01:18:42,600
If you look at Sarasota County and in Mananty County,

942
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,620
those two would join each other, if you're familiar with

943
01:18:44,620 --> 01:18:48,140
the Sarasota Mall, that's right on the north line of

944
01:18:48,140 --> 01:18:48,860
Sarasota County.

945
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,540
And surely that's why Mananty has a lower supply

946
01:18:51,540 --> 01:18:54,060
because they have two or three million square feet

947
01:18:54,060 --> 01:18:56,040
of commercial space they can come and enjoy.

948
01:18:56,940 --> 01:18:58,880
More of their spaces is to the north,

949
01:18:59,060 --> 01:19:00,140
but it averages out to be a hundred.

950
01:19:00,220 --> 01:19:02,640
That's why I'm saying that I think you need

951
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:09,920
75 square feet to be competitive and and and to be more economic and diverse too

952
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,840
with the understanding that you can't just snap your fingers and create

953
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,880
three-point square feet of more commercial space.

954
01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:23,220
This slide in table are all new and it's not meant to be preachy.

955
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:27,220
It's really intended from my heart to be informative and maybe you already know this.

956
01:19:27,220 --> 01:19:30,720
This is not this year's tax taxable values.

957
01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:33,540
This is the 24-25 fiscal fiscal year.

958
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,880
And what I'm trying to show you is how you compare against some other counties that I think

959
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,800
have similar demographics to you, similar and not the same.

960
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:48,940
In terms of where they're, so their taxable value, 81% of yours comes from residential.

961
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:54,040
In Leigh at 83, Martin at 78, Sarasota 84.

962
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:59,800
the vacant land. We like vacant land and that vacant land doesn't need services and yet it provides taxes.

963
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:07,020
So that's a positive. Then we get to commercial, and we see that we're actually sort of falling

964
01:20:07,020 --> 01:20:12,000
behind up. We have a little bit behind when it comes to Lee Martin and Sarah Soda County's.

965
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,200
So we'd like to, that's why I'd like to see that pop up a little bit.

966
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:17,420
Yeah, Commissioner Constance, you recognize that.

967
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:22,680
Thank you, sir. Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

968
01:20:23,380 --> 01:20:28,160
Let me go back and you're saying we're one of the lowest commercial square foot.

969
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:29,140
I think I can't say that.

970
01:20:29,340 --> 01:20:36,320
But when you go to this slide and you're showing me these percentages, show me the vacancy

971
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:41,360
rates, because I don't know that our commercial property is completely full.

972
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,840
I mean, there's empty spaces at them, all right.

973
01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:49,060
So you're pushing for one thing, but then we need a lot more commercial, we need more industrial,

974
01:20:49,580 --> 01:20:52,940
but maybe industrial I'll agree with you, because I think whatever we have is getting

975
01:20:52,940 --> 01:20:53,740
you gobbled up.

976
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,720
But commercial-wise, what is our vacancy rate for commercial?

977
01:20:57,220 --> 01:20:57,640
What's that number?

978
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:02,740
So I don't know what the vacancy is, but what that's telling me for my perspective and I'm not arguing

979
01:21:02,740 --> 01:21:06,230
saying, I'm right, but my perspective is it means it's in the wrong location. There's too much

980
01:21:06,580 --> 01:21:11,480
Cluster in this area here where we need it and need about to pick up about a third of it and I need to

981
01:21:11,480 --> 01:21:16,360
spurs it around the county because that's where the demands are originally, like this was the core population here

982
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:23,580
that's now turned into a business center and and I couldn't help but notice there's a lot of places to eat and

983
01:21:23,580 --> 01:21:27,400
some businesses, but I couldn't get over how many places there were to eat along the 41

984
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:35,080
or, and I saw, and I don't want to pick on any businesses, I saw what used to be neighborhood

985
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:39,620
shopping centers and now other things, okay, not to pick on something I saw, I've been

986
01:21:39,620 --> 01:21:45,040
go haul, perhaps things like that, I'm against being go, like that, like it, real for that.

987
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:50,320
But, though examples of that are ideal for adding multi-family, I know you're going, oh my god,

988
01:21:50,420 --> 01:21:53,220
Dave, you just got to tell me, I'm growing my crazy, now you want me to grow some more?

989
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,620
Well, the reason I have vacancies is because that one of customers in the area, and

990
01:21:57,620 --> 01:22:01,860
So by bringing in people, I have then future employees that can live close to where they're

991
01:22:01,860 --> 01:22:06,060
going to work, and easy to shop, close to transit, and all those things.

992
01:22:06,940 --> 01:22:12,080
I think what I see as vacancies, I see as opportunity to hopefully bring in some developers

993
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,880
that specialize in redevelopment with retail, not knock down the retail, but remove parts

994
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,840
of it and add residential uses in those places.

995
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:28,440
So, you know, obviously you're looking at us at a moment in time, and every time you come back

996
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:32,960
into the moment of time, but you don't understand the history, like some of the people

997
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:41,880
to my right, who were here to watch a shopping center be built and then a grocery store,

998
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:42,940
yeah, I'm skipping you, Roger.

999
01:22:42,940 --> 01:22:52,720
a grocery store close and a bingo hall open because across the street a Walmart was demolished

1000
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:57,400
and a huge public says, but I mean, so many things have happened where you're right.

1001
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:03,720
It was very concentrated and then things have been repurposed, reconstructed and then those

1002
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:09,540
former businesses very successful moved out, saw exactly what you're saying.

1003
01:23:09,540 --> 01:23:18,620
I guess I always look at this problem because that's what this is a planning problem. Why wasn't this community planned better?

1004
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:25,640
I really have an issue with planners, you know, they have the title, but I just haven't seen them show up yet.

1005
01:23:25,700 --> 01:23:32,760
You know, they seem to map out an area and say, well, this is where things are going to go, but obviously they don't have a crystal ball.

1006
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:40,960
But at this stage of the game, and I will use Babcock as an example, guess what, they're planning that community really well.

1007
01:23:41,380 --> 01:23:45,240
They know where the commercials should be, they know how much there should be.

1008
01:23:46,220 --> 01:23:53,560
And the years of experience and knowledge are now being actually put to work, and it's working.

1009
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:59,820
But I guess the plans that we were working off from the 60s were really not thinking about,

1010
01:23:59,820 --> 01:24:05,920
Now, the amount of growth that was going to occur are the streets properly wide enough for

1011
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:06,760
future growth.

1012
01:24:07,220 --> 01:24:12,200
And again, where are the nodes for communities, everybody's simply going to be one huge

1013
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:13,700
thing, everybody's going to drive there.

1014
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:15,040
Now, it doesn't make any sense.

1015
01:24:15,460 --> 01:24:20,740
You need to have neighborhood facilities, so folks can, you know, pretty much stay local until

1016
01:24:20,740 --> 01:24:26,340
they need something very special, they take special trip, or they're going for a service or

1017
01:24:26,340 --> 01:24:30,740
activity, or go to the beach, go someplace where they can't get it in their backyard.

1018
01:24:31,900 --> 01:24:32,920
But I find this fascinating.

1019
01:24:33,140 --> 01:24:33,960
I mean, it really did.

1020
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:34,320
Right.

1021
01:24:36,020 --> 01:24:38,600
So, Babcock has done a very good job.

1022
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,840
No ephans are about that.

1023
01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:47,440
It's one thing, though, to design a town that you create from scratch, for 40,000 people, versus

1024
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:50,940
something that you all are trying to manage for a future of 500,000 people.

1025
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:55,500
And where they can make all the decisions, they only land, they can do whatever they want, you don't.

1026
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:59,900
and so planners plan but developers develop and so

1027
01:25:00,580 --> 01:25:26,700
But they're planning and developing at the same time so they have that opportunity. And they don't want any leakage. They want everything to stay within. Because chances are good that they own most of the commercial property. They want to keep those revenues coming in. So they're making sure that people don't ever leave Babcock. They get everything they need right there. So I just find it, you know, that that's kind of how things should have been set up because you don't want folks burning rubber.

1028
01:25:26,700 --> 01:25:32,740
Right, right. Well, in hopefully not bad pocket and just serve bad cock, I'm hoping that it actually serves the the community around it, right?

1029
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:37,160
They hopefully they'll get some medical facilities and people then won't have to come all the way in.

1030
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:43,080
I can't imagine someone's staying alive on the track from from Babcock all the way here in some sort of major emergency.

1031
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,300
They need medical emergency out there.

1032
01:25:45,700 --> 01:25:53,120
Uh, not nothing against the, uh, the, um, our public safety officials are hiding, but it's just it's so far and the roads get so congested and,

1033
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,000
And we just we don't know population,

1034
01:25:55,340 --> 01:25:57,540
but I'm hoping that that caucus actually a center

1035
01:25:57,540 --> 01:26:02,040
for that whole area to serve the needs

1036
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,980
because it's an ideal node concentration

1037
01:26:03,980 --> 01:26:05,360
of the commercial and population.

1038
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:06,860
Thank you.

1039
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,100
Commissioner Constance, I'll just say

1040
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:11,260
we all know the history of Charlotte County.

1041
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,280
General development wanted to sell lots.

1042
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:16,160
We have hundreds of thousands of plated lots.

1043
01:26:16,860 --> 01:26:20,720
It was $10 down, $10 a month, and you buy a lot.

1044
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:25,940
and get your slice of the Florida Sunshine in Charlotte County for Blue collar worker of North.

1045
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:32,240
It's not a master plan of community like Babcock, you know, which, you know, started what 15 years ago

1046
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:37,460
whenever it was 20 years ago. So yeah, that's the reason that Port Charlotte was not planned

1047
01:26:37,460 --> 01:26:43,040
out like Babcock was planned out and all the new newer communities are planned out and they look

1048
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:48,860
at these things because planning has gotten much better since the 1950s and 60s and, you know,

1049
01:26:48,860 --> 01:26:53,720
they use some of those planning tools back then? Yeah we probably wouldn't have some of these issues

1050
01:26:53,720 --> 01:27:00,100
like we have with the access roads off a 41. That's a mess. It's just a complete mess and

1051
01:27:00,100 --> 01:27:03,800
you know, our board and future boards are going to have to deal with unpacking, unwinding and

1052
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:08,800
trying to fix it. And that's why we have our future land use map. You know, that accounts for,

1053
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:13,020
you know, the changing environment, you know, so when applications come forward,

1054
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:18,760
we look to the future land use map, you know, because the growth is changing and we may have to

1055
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,980
change with it in terms of those zoning decisions.

1056
01:27:21,420 --> 01:27:23,860
Just like we're hearing today, you need more commercial here.

1057
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:25,480
You need more of this over there.

1058
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,780
And we look at that in our comp plan.

1059
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:29,100
Commissioner Truek's recognized sir.

1060
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,020
Thank you, thank you, Mr. Truek.

1061
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:32,920
So in West County, it's no different than Mid County.

1062
01:27:33,620 --> 01:27:35,360
And as you know, the vote was over there.

1063
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,180
You got all of East Eagle Wood.

1064
01:27:38,180 --> 01:27:39,520
You've got all the South Gulf Code,

1065
01:27:39,540 --> 01:27:41,100
but then you also had Cavanagh Corporation

1066
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:43,420
that came in and did the same thing for Rotunda.

1067
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:47,680
And all the outlying areas of Rotunda and KPIs,

1068
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:53,360
But that's why it was important that we did the Lanar repladding in the North

1069
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:58,940
of the South Gulf Coast because they made that area a little bit more easy to get

1070
01:27:58,940 --> 01:27:59,540
around in.

1071
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,760
It's more of a community so that North in the South Gulf Coast, that all got

1072
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,260
resones so you got Harbor West and Harbor East, right?

1073
01:28:05,580 --> 01:28:08,580
And that I think was a good change in those are things that we need to modify

1074
01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:13,920
to at times when we look at people, gobbling up land and being able to modify it and

1075
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,240
maybe make it more efficient for us for the future.

1076
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:23,320
But you look at Westport. I mean, Westport was a mess and I didn't like it that the government bought all the property back then.

1077
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,380
But we have a better outcome today. Hope we never do it again.

1078
01:28:26,820 --> 01:28:30,200
Yeah. Well, that's a great point. So we took over 1,000 acres of land.

1079
01:28:30,580 --> 01:28:35,500
Well, a commission did back in 2004 and there was a couple of 1,000 plated lots.

1080
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:39,820
So what do you have now? You have commercial nodes there. There's going to be a public stare.

1081
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:44,000
All those services to keep the trips internal and then you have a plan community.

1082
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:51,020
you have you know all the services there I think there's a dog park there's other things there and it's built around one of our regional parks

1083
01:28:51,020 --> 01:28:56,400
So that's an example of good planning taking into account commercial and that's all I'm going right now

1084
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:02,760
I don't want to say it's a mini-bap cock, but it's got certain elements, you know, of the same type of planning

1085
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,120
So thank you

1086
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:12,300
Commissioner Treks told my thunder because I was gonna bring up Westport and that that

1087
01:29:12,300 --> 01:29:18,060
2003, when you will I did the study, recommending this and that and it went through a lot of

1088
01:29:18,060 --> 01:29:22,420
hard times of the great recession and five other things, but it really has turned into a

1089
01:29:22,420 --> 01:29:30,520
vibrant area and I would encourage you that that's a very pretty nice new area but I would argue

1090
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:39,880
that wouldn't be Westport by encouraging and someone having the intestinal fortitude to gather

1091
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:45,700
some lots around the West area where future, I'm sorry, the north, the mid area, especially

1092
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:51,680
and actually the southern part of West, to create these commercial centers, I'm not wagging

1093
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:55,500
my finger saying it's your job, you're the government, but we should be encouraging someone

1094
01:29:55,500 --> 01:29:59,600
to do the aggregation that if you do this, you're likely to get commercial uses the things

1095
01:29:59,600 --> 01:29:59,980
these people.

1096
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,380
We'll need on here to cut down on trips and so forth. So we can improve our planning, if you will.

1097
01:30:06,260 --> 01:30:10,240
I know it's frustrating to say why wasn't done right to begin with, well, there's a lot of competing interests.

1098
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:16,400
We also don't own all the land like, but only a developer does, and you have full control over things. It's a challenge.

1099
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:25,240
And I'm just glad that we have a board that recognizes that, and is open to ideas, because it's exciting.

1100
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:30,120
some of the things that have changed from happen here. I would like to see you guys at least

1101
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:35,400
consider the idea of adding some multifamily to some of your larger commercial centers that

1102
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,780
maybe aren't doing so well. And it's not your fault that the units haven't gone and over at

1103
01:30:39,780 --> 01:30:45,200
them all. I'm dying for that to happen. When those first 300 units go in, it won't happen overnight.

1104
01:30:46,440 --> 01:30:50,300
But if in a couple of years that area will just the whole feeling will start to change and you'll

1105
01:30:50,300 --> 01:30:57,380
this synergistic redevelopment occurring. I'm just, I'm itching waiting for that to happen.

1106
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:03,140
We have plans inside of that thing. We think you're going to see actually a grocery store show up in there at some point.

1107
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:08,100
It might only be in all these or something. We think that that could be a very important hub over there.

1108
01:31:08,440 --> 01:31:14,740
Look, this board approved compact growth mixed use. We went out and we made the changes.

1109
01:31:14,980 --> 01:31:18,700
We worked with economic development. We worked with staff to look at those things.

1110
01:31:18,700 --> 01:31:23,340
up to the free markets to take advantage of it. We don't have control. We can set the table,

1111
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:28,200
which I think we did, but the free markets have to be the applicant and do that. We can't,

1112
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:33,300
as you said earlier, we can't make the markets spend their money. Right, and I read it an

1113
01:31:33,300 --> 01:31:40,840
unfortunate article last night that most of the vacancies are hitting a new high for this whole area in

1114
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:50,120
and Naples made up some sort of national top 10 list of places that had higher vacancies and

1115
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:51,740
in Fort Myers did as well.

1116
01:31:52,300 --> 01:31:55,980
So it's not going to happen tomorrow, but I think in the next four or five years, it's

1117
01:31:55,980 --> 01:32:00,600
a real possibility that we could see renewed activity at that location, hopefully sooner.

1118
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:01,440
Hopefully.

1119
01:32:01,660 --> 01:32:03,540
Well historically, the markets are cyclical.

1120
01:32:03,780 --> 01:32:04,700
We know that.

1121
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:06,280
So we're going to have our ups and downs.

1122
01:32:09,780 --> 01:32:10,280
Right.

1123
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:16,800
because we want to see that. I love to see 4,500 units show up at that mall. Back to this

1124
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,240
chart here just for a second. So we also see the industrial worth a lower tier of, you know,

1125
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:25,900
Lee and Martin have 3% of their development or their taxes coming from industrial.

1126
01:32:26,300 --> 01:32:31,720
I'd love to see more of that. Again, I know you guys, you aren't kings, you can't control everything,

1127
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:38,020
but given the opportunity, let's promote more industrial and commercial, not just commercial,

1128
01:32:38,020 --> 01:32:42,160
commercial safe, but in the right places and employment centers, of course, we want to promote

1129
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:48,540
those. So organically, we think you're going to see another million square feet of industrial

1130
01:32:48,540 --> 01:32:55,380
show up, which is a real positive. What rhymes with amendment 3? Oops. I guess amendment 3.

1131
01:32:55,640 --> 01:33:01,620
So amendment 3 passes. Thing commercial and industrial properties are going to be even more

1132
01:33:01,620 --> 01:33:06,300
valuable, that's where more of our available tax base can come from.

1133
01:33:06,820 --> 01:33:12,480
With all this said, your ratio right now, I'm at the beginning head of myself, it's about

1134
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:18,000
30 square feet per capita, again at the much lower end, you're only one square foot away

1135
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:21,860
from call here, but call here is not exactly known for wanting to do a lot of industrial space.

1136
01:33:22,260 --> 01:33:27,040
With you guys having this really nice airport right here, I think it's a jewel we can really,

1137
01:33:27,060 --> 01:33:31,480
you know, it's our anchor, so it's like a mall that's built around it and build it up

1138
01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:34,120
so that it can be everything and be the close proximity

1139
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,740
to 75 and moving freight.

1140
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:38,820
They're all wonderful things.

1141
01:33:38,940 --> 01:33:41,460
With that said, I'd love to see you have even more land.

1142
01:33:41,620 --> 01:33:43,500
That's how it's slide about three from now.

1143
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:44,420
I'd like to thank you.

1144
01:33:44,620 --> 01:33:45,740
Mr. Concentrate, I'll go quick.

1145
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,380
This industrial slide where it says what you think the man is going to be.

1146
01:33:49,820 --> 01:33:52,020
So you're giving me the numerator.

1147
01:33:52,180 --> 01:33:52,860
What's the denominator?

1148
01:33:53,060 --> 01:33:57,360
What's the current amount of acreage in each one of these zones?

1149
01:33:57,660 --> 01:33:58,420
I'm the comparison.

1150
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:00,380
I hid that column.

1151
01:34:01,820 --> 01:34:02,760
I'll get that to you.

1152
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:03,520
It's available.

1153
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:04,880
OK, I mean, get that on there.

1154
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:10,900
Well, you have, so you have about 7 million, I think, square feet, if you recall, 7.8 million,

1155
01:34:10,940 --> 01:34:13,320
or something, I think it's like 7.8 million square feet.

1156
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,620
But just in other words, just you're giving us the acreage that would be demanded.

1157
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,100
You can just get us what is the current amount.

1158
01:34:20,100 --> 01:34:20,320
Sure.

1159
01:34:20,620 --> 01:34:21,940
I mean, some of them might be over.

1160
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:26,060
Some of them may be way at well above the current level, but in future it won't be enough.

1161
01:34:26,100 --> 01:34:26,300
Right.

1162
01:34:26,300 --> 01:34:30,360
Well, on a per capita basis, but the industry is completely, the airport has way more

1163
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:34,420
industrial on a per capita basis, but that's not about people, that's more about employment

1164
01:34:34,420 --> 01:34:34,800
than so.

1165
01:34:34,940 --> 01:34:38,800
Are you categorizing verteports as commercial or industrial?

1166
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,060
We don't have any of those yet, so...

1167
01:34:43,060 --> 01:34:43,760
Well, I get that.

1168
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,300
But if there's a demand for it, would that be categorized as correctly?

1169
01:34:46,300 --> 01:34:46,540
Exactly.

1170
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:51,060
Okay, so technically code 20 in the Department of Revenue's codes for airports and such, that's

1171
01:34:51,060 --> 01:34:51,900
an industrial use.

1172
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:57,780
So that I could understand, and those will be popping up wherever it's logistically possible

1173
01:34:57,780 --> 01:34:59,980
with our power lines, but they can be almost there.

1174
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:10,360
Anywhere. And this is not me saying it's just I'm reporting the facts. Don't shoot the messenger. But technically, mini-storage is also industrial if you because it's we're housing.

1175
01:35:12,620 --> 01:35:15,240
Okay. Thank you.

1176
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:25,280
Okay. This, this graph is not mine. This said, a Jordan over in economic development. Jordan Ray helped develop this for me for this presentation.

1177
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:33,330
It is updated. The numbers are slightly different. We note that at the top in the green industrial and being 2% of our of our of our employment base

1178
01:35:35,060 --> 01:35:35,520
And

1179
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:41,320
You've here we've had a lot of some brand names. I'm not being paid. I'm not wearing a t-shirt in here. There where I get sponsorship or anything

1180
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:50,520
But chainie brothers. We want to see more of that type of of development. You know, there's 550 jobs over there and if I skip ahead

1181
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:55,040
We get into multipliers, and so if you think about the 500 and 50 jobs, they bring in almost another

1182
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,360
thousand jobs in terms of

1183
01:35:58,060 --> 01:36:04,560
If you fall away from your bank teller to waitresses to your car mechanics of the people who do AC and in the

1184
01:36:05,220 --> 01:36:11,240
Carpet stores and all those things, so we want to see more of that type of development around the airport and what's great about

1185
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,280
Cheney is it really doesn't depend on how your local economy is doing

1186
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:20,080
They're selling ketchup and mustard napkins all over southwest Florida, and so you're benefiting in all those dollars

1187
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:24,620
for in-term wages come back here, and then it's spent locally in the economy.

1188
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,560
Want more of that going on?

1189
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:27,340
Commissioner Drex.

1190
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:35,040
To that point, the public has a piece of property out there as well, and so, you know, the

1191
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:39,820
number of public stores that are going to be built here, both in Westport, Burstore Road,

1192
01:36:39,940 --> 01:36:46,600
the redo in the one in Engelwood right now, making it a much larger, much more updated facility.

1193
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:53,340
It might make sense for them to start looking at actually building their facility because it's in the middle of so many stores now

1194
01:36:53,340 --> 01:36:58,240
Not just Charlotte County, obviously, but for their future. So I could see them doing that in the next five years.

1195
01:36:58,860 --> 01:37:03,460
Well, I got one in the creek don't rise. I mean, they they when did they buy I think 25 years ago

1196
01:37:03,460 --> 01:37:09,420
It was a long time ago. That's a major capital investment. They made very bright though, too, being at the airport in a good location

1197
01:37:09,420 --> 01:37:14,240
that company really thinks forward, I really respect and for that, but I'd also, okay,

1198
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:18,000
dirt is nice, but let's get some building and some jobs going on here too, and you know,

1199
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:22,760
with all the new stores going in and Charlotte Lee and Carter County's, this would make an excellent

1200
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:29,260
location for to locate that. And since I've worked in all three jurisdictions for the

1201
01:37:29,260 --> 01:37:33,480
MPOs, if you guys would like the store demands, I can provide those to you if you want to market

1202
01:37:33,480 --> 01:37:35,780
the public's free of charge.

1203
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:42,240
Here's a breakdown, this is actually from last year of what you have.

1204
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:48,400
So industrial can be sort of a hard cell and that on average you're at about 280,

1205
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:53,220
about 300,000 an acre, as you know most houses are assessed at that and you have more

1206
01:37:53,220 --> 01:37:53,960
of those per acre.

1207
01:37:54,700 --> 01:37:59,720
But the difference is that people need things in industrial commercial generally don't need

1208
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:00,500
a lot of services.

1209
01:38:00,500 --> 01:38:07,420
And so I'm going to go back to this fiscal issues and fiscal neutrality, both commercial and

1210
01:38:07,420 --> 01:38:07,680
industrial.

1211
01:38:07,820 --> 01:38:08,820
They're really the keys to that.

1212
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:13,260
And there's a bullet point right above the table that industrial land generates that

1213
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:15,400
one thousand times a revenue of aglan.

1214
01:38:15,740 --> 01:38:21,600
And so I'd like to see some of the aglan around the airport area converted to industrial uses.

1215
01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:26,520
And so here's another table similar to the commercial shows you at 30 square foot on

1216
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:31,660
cap in a basis and then you compare to look at these others and look this doesn't happen

1217
01:38:31,660 --> 01:38:36,420
overnight you don't snap your fingers but there is absolutely room for you to grow your

1218
01:38:36,420 --> 01:38:44,420
intensity. If you my goal for you would be 55 and I'm one of those most mindsets that we

1219
01:38:44,420 --> 01:38:49,060
don't have to reach 55 to be successful. I'd like to reach for 55 and if we hit 45 which is

1220
01:38:49,060 --> 01:38:54,120
50% more per capita and you have now I still think that's a home run in terms of tax-based

1221
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:57,700
jobs, all the things that they come with that.

1222
01:38:58,260 --> 01:39:04,220
If you wanted to reach 55 or 45, so even 45, you'd need another about 450 acres in

1223
01:39:04,220 --> 01:39:09,480
addition to what you have now that is zone industrial to make that happen in when it's

1224
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:10,880
all developed and such.

1225
01:39:12,700 --> 01:39:17,100
And again, I recognize you have probably a lot of petitions asking for different things.

1226
01:39:17,180 --> 01:39:19,100
You are the ones that have to balance the competing interests.

1227
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:26,220
I'm just looking at the numbers and saying, well, if it made no political difference, I'd love to see more industrial lands.

1228
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:27,200
Commissioner Constance.

1229
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:30,800
Yes, sir.

1230
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,680
So in the northern part of your recap, there's quite a bit of wetlands.

1231
01:39:35,860 --> 01:39:40,960
And so that sort of degrades the utility, the usability of the land,

1232
01:39:41,060 --> 01:39:43,800
it's more difficult to build around so forth.

1233
01:39:45,140 --> 01:39:47,560
So the stuff south of the airport is some pretty gorgeous stuff.

1234
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:52,880
But it's disturbed, if you will, so it's easier to permit and use.

1235
01:39:56,170 --> 01:39:57,230
Is your mic concert?

1236
01:39:58,110 --> 01:39:58,710
Thanks, sir.

1237
01:39:58,990 --> 01:39:59,810
It is already bleeding.

1238
01:40:03,580 --> 01:40:15,580
And I think you're already doing this, but I would be remiss if I didn't say so. When we have more industrial happens down there normally and get talking about planners.

1239
01:40:16,700 --> 01:40:25,040
In the 60s, the rules were that child not have commercial industrial anywhere in your people. Let's have those two separate. Those are incompatible uses.

1240
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:29,280
And I get where that theory came from, but then the problem is then we have lots of whole lot

1241
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:34,080
of driving between that and so where it's appropriate, where it can be designed right.

1242
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:37,900
I'd love to see some multi-family put in with some of that industrial so that we don't

1243
01:40:37,900 --> 01:40:41,420
have the workers driving along distances that they don't have, especially with now you got Walmart,

1244
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:49,440
Walmart, Walmart, Publix, all these and a whole bunch of other, I can't name all the stores

1245
01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:53,520
that I just saw, I came online to politely know that that's a wonderful place to live

1246
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:57,320
now, and it'd be great to have more people living there that can take advantage of patronized

1247
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:58,100
those new businesses.

1248
01:41:01,980 --> 01:41:08,080
Just more talking about, as we increase the industrial allocation, we could be more competitive

1249
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:14,740
with these other counties, without naming counties, but it sounds like those two other ones.

1250
01:41:14,860 --> 01:41:16,560
They have a lot of wetland issues on their lands.

1251
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:21,700
I'm very familiar with their entitlements, our not entitlements, but their allocations of industrial

1252
01:41:21,700 --> 01:41:27,960
lands, you guys have some of the best land available for, I mean, it be zoned in

1253
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:34,600
Australia now, but for industrial uses, it's more readily permittable and

1254
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:40,340
usable close to 75. The stuff in Northward is also close to 75, but it's intensely

1255
01:41:40,340 --> 01:41:45,700
what, if you look at it, not being wetland scientist, but you can see from the area that

1256
01:41:45,700 --> 01:41:50,560
the trees there are likely well in the nature. The last slide here,

1257
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:51,760
Bullets, I don't read the whole slide.

1258
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:53,780
You just put on a gore, no, you know this,

1259
01:41:53,780 --> 01:41:56,000
what a valuable asset you guys have.

1260
01:41:56,660 --> 01:41:59,320
And let's build on that, because it really is

1261
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,360
like what seers used to be to a mall, right?

1262
01:42:01,420 --> 01:42:03,940
The big, the anchor, and we can build around that,

1263
01:42:04,180 --> 01:42:06,020
and the amount of employment that we can be created,

1264
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:07,000
is just enormous.

1265
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:11,490
Okay, last two slides here.

1266
01:42:11,870 --> 01:42:15,110
So I just read the, so you've had 26,000 new housing units

1267
01:42:15,110 --> 01:42:18,390
and 50,000 new residents show up since the census.

1268
01:42:19,530 --> 01:42:21,370
And with that has come a degradation

1269
01:42:21,370 --> 01:42:27,850
in levels of service and I know it doesn't hit it a good time, especially looking at how

1270
01:42:27,850 --> 01:42:32,870
tax levels might change and such. It's important to evaluate, especially our public safety,

1271
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:39,650
our sheriff, and our fire departments at EMS and making sure they have the right facilities

1272
01:42:39,650 --> 01:42:45,370
and the right locations to allow them to do their jobs and reach the people in appropriate

1273
01:42:45,370 --> 01:42:50,890
months of time. We want to monitor, so the aggregate amount of commercial, so the

1274
01:42:50,890 --> 01:42:56,850
amount of commercial is one thing, but we especially want to make sure it's in the right place.

1275
01:42:57,030 --> 01:43:00,830
That's why I'm saying to the northern part of your mid-cluster and the southern part of

1276
01:43:00,830 --> 01:43:06,170
your west cluster, Bavococcus state and care of itself. We'd like to see more commercial, and

1277
01:43:06,170 --> 01:43:10,070
I don't mean like one acre lots. Fifty one acre lots is not the same thing as even 20 acres

1278
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:14,130
of developable land where we can locate some of these services.

1279
01:43:15,690 --> 01:43:18,710
Planning for the shopping centers by those locations, please use that map.

1280
01:43:19,710 --> 01:43:22,750
And when you're looking at deliberating, whether you should approve a project or not,

1281
01:43:22,830 --> 01:43:26,970
that map, again, is not part of specific, but it shows you where those facilities are needed.

1282
01:43:27,950 --> 01:43:34,690
And it's also critical to reserve land for our future share of substations, fire stations, parks,

1283
01:43:34,990 --> 01:43:36,170
those sorts of things.

1284
01:43:36,170 --> 01:43:45,510
I know we've worked for both libraries and parks on their master plans and and more lands are needed for them at least if reservation if not if not flat out purchase

1285
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:50,670
This top bullet here is just same for the third time that

1286
01:43:51,230 --> 01:44:05,670
Community consider policy changes of the ads and density to somebody's older commercial facilities that are tired maybe have space. It's not needed in the location where they were greatly needed in the whenever they were built today's a different day. Now we need when we have dilapidated commercial commercial it's not

1287
01:44:06,410 --> 01:44:09,890
economically viable, it's because we don't have no people. We put more people in that area,

1288
01:44:10,130 --> 01:44:16,270
it helps balance that whole equation out. Updating this model is, I believe, helpful to you guys.

1289
01:44:16,270 --> 01:44:22,030
You guys are in a given session, probably make between $10, $50 million worth of the decisions.

1290
01:44:22,270 --> 01:44:28,390
And this data I believe is helpful too, if you make just one right decision from it, it pays for itself.

1291
01:44:29,190 --> 01:44:33,550
And with that, I'm going to go off the rails for just a second. So last year we were able to

1292
01:44:33,550 --> 01:44:38,790
successfully challenged Bieber when Bieber came out with your population number. We were able to

1293
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:43,630
conclusively show the state revised their data to our number that we were able to prove.

1294
01:44:44,210 --> 01:44:48,030
I believe that I can't prove that, but let's talk to your finance people. I think that added

1295
01:44:48,030 --> 01:44:54,310
somewhere between three and 500,000 permanent revenue per year by winning that argument. Having

1296
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:59,330
updated data, we are cocked and loaded ready for when the letter comes in the next 10 days to see it.

1297
01:44:59,330 --> 01:44:59,890
and maybe nothing.

1298
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,900
We are ready to support you and make sure you get your fair share. Don't worry, sir, your contract still in place.

1299
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:16,800
I see where you're going there. Well, I'll be pay for ourselves, but our data is credible. The state didn't roll over.

1300
01:45:16,980 --> 01:45:24,960
That was a whole bunch of emails. Ben can tell you. I do want to say that I love what I do for a living numbers of my thing. I appreciate you.

1301
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:28,020
I would not have a job without you, and I'm sincerely grateful

1302
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:30,280
and any other questions I'm happy to answer.

1303
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:31,480
Any questions from Mr. Farmer?

1304
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:33,220
Commissioner Constance?

1305
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:35,480
Yeah, I just wanted to go over a couple things.

1306
01:45:35,900 --> 01:45:40,240
So your 2030 data point, I mean, we're getting closer.

1307
01:45:40,900 --> 01:45:44,540
So how confident are you in that?

1308
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:46,420
Because that's still predictive.

1309
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,760
I mean, the slope could go a little, go back to the dots.

1310
01:45:52,440 --> 01:45:53,480
Yeah, keep going.

1311
01:45:55,700 --> 01:45:56,420
Sorry, I don't know.

1312
01:45:58,860 --> 01:46:14,480
So the first blue dot is that the current data, no, that's a fort, the, uh, I think it is because that's before that's like that looks like it's kind of, yep, that's correct. So you're, you're saying you think things are going to slow down by 2030. What if they don't?

1313
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:24,800
What, what if you have a similar slope and you come back to us in two years and go guys, we, we tried to stay conservative and we goofed again and actually it's,

1314
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,220
it's still creep, so that's a possibility.

1315
01:46:27,900 --> 01:46:31,900
Not only a possibility, but please don't fire me.

1316
01:46:32,220 --> 01:46:37,600
But I will tell you that we do not use, we do not take dots and rulers and pencils and

1317
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:38,240
draw straight lines.

1318
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,320
So your peak permitting, I think, was around 5,500 units.

1319
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:44,060
I think it was something like that.

1320
01:46:44,460 --> 01:46:47,940
You're down in the 32, 3,300 units per year.

1321
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:52,180
When I went back, we don't use that to build the models, but when I went back and I took

1322
01:46:52,180 --> 01:46:57,640
housing and it's in did the math we are we are right at the your current level of permitting

1323
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:02,120
so if you're permitting happens to go up from here yeah our numbers are going to be low what I

1324
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:06,380
wanted to do I wasn't expecting you to go the direction you went most people are like oh you

1325
01:47:06,380 --> 01:47:09,800
could that there's nowhere near that number people are going to show up and I'm like I'm positive

1326
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:14,900
this no people they're going to show up sort of some major major recession popping out of nowhere

1327
01:47:14,900 --> 01:47:21,580
this is like a minimum and to your points or yes 20,000 more people could show up will they

1328
01:47:21,580 --> 01:47:27,360
I don't know, I think that when I look at all of your permitting over the last 30 years,

1329
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:31,340
I look back at the great recession when my stomach gets upset and I look at, you know,

1330
01:47:31,420 --> 01:47:37,540
permitting four or five pounds a year compared to a permanent 5,000 a year, I still think

1331
01:47:37,540 --> 01:47:44,120
you're, I think you're in a linear phase of about 3,03500 per month a year, what will change

1332
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,620
when Westport builds out in the lab cock?

1333
01:47:46,620 --> 01:47:51,400
I think by that time the fire will have caught and your your your your

1334
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:56,440
plat of lots will then maintain that velocity for years to come move ahead

1335
01:47:56,440 --> 01:48:00,860
two three slides to the bar charts for the housing and then the population the

1336
01:48:00,860 --> 01:48:01,620
bar charts.

1337
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:04,980
Yeah, I had forward forward forward.

1338
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:10,740
Yeah, so what you you know you said Babcock Ranch you have increased you have

1339
01:48:10,740 --> 01:48:15,840
more people in the housing units same thing with mid-county West County not so much

1340
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:21,360
you mentioned that, but mid-county, the west ports and the bad crock, there's a very,

1341
01:48:21,460 --> 01:48:25,340
there's a real similarity because both of them, when you see those housing units on the

1342
01:48:25,340 --> 01:48:29,360
next slide, the population jumps up for both of those and everything else is down.

1343
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:33,760
So that was interesting that, again, there's more people per unit, is that what you're saying?

1344
01:48:33,940 --> 01:48:38,620
So, does it because of the multi-family or, I think, I think it's more families,

1345
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:42,920
not not not single or multi-family, but the character of who's choosing to live there,

1346
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:47,400
And I think Babcock and Mid are attracting more families at West.

1347
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:53,420
When you look at the areas that looks like their families, because we see Plate, we look deep.

1348
01:48:53,420 --> 01:48:58,060
We're looking at swimming pools, we're looking at swimming sets, we want to see who's living there, right?

1349
01:48:58,540 --> 01:49:04,220
And so I'm surprised by the sense of demographics are actually lower than what it might look like.

1350
01:49:04,420 --> 01:49:12,400
And we are relying on census data, or demographics, Babcock, we actually get that directly from the developer from their internal surveys.

1351
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:25,460
Next slide, those barrier island dots could it be that those are new construction, but could be that those houses were completely wiped out and now you're building a brand new house on a wiped out lot.

1352
01:49:25,820 --> 01:49:31,260
Absolutely, I did not review the demo permits. You're absolutely covered with this happening there.

1353
01:49:34,380 --> 01:49:43,060
And then, you know, with Brent store road not having enough commercial remember, and I don't know if we've mentioned this before, but a bunch of commercial was repurposed as storm water.

1354
01:49:43,060 --> 01:49:52,260
for the road to go in. And we had a very heated conversation in these chambers with zoning and planning to try to figure out why was that done.

1355
01:49:52,780 --> 01:49:59,980
I never think, I thought that never should have been done. I think that never should have been allowed. Those areas were set up for commercial if they wanted to find storm more.

1356
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,560
What are they needed to find something else? So now what's happening is we're having a repurposed residential

1357
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:11,100
back to commercial. It's crazy, but that's the situation that we're in. And that's what you're

1358
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:15,240
pointing to for the future. Right. Well, now you have, I believe, two parcels are two groups

1359
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:19,020
of parcels down there now that there's a newer one. I think it was just a proof, I think, is that

1360
01:50:19,020 --> 01:50:23,780
180,000 or something like that. And so now you, I think you had the lands available now. It's

1361
01:50:23,780 --> 01:50:27,680
more about the developers and the money and the finance and getting that in. And maybe some

1362
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:34,800
They're waiting for us to see just how those three projects are progressing, but certainly we're going to be seeing more commercial down that way

1363
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:40,320
I can't speak to why commercial land was and maybe that was DOT and not, you know

1364
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:41,060
You all

1365
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:49,620
But so then the last just if you could get back to us with commercial vacancy rates and industrial vacancy rates just so we can understand

1366
01:50:49,620 --> 01:50:54,360
I don't really have the vacancy rates on that I have the amount of commercial square footage and acres

1367
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:56,300
I don't have vacancy

1368
01:50:56,300 --> 01:51:03,140
This isn't that coming to your calculus, you say we're short, but then if the vacancy rates are high, then where are we?

1369
01:51:03,340 --> 01:51:07,520
Well, vacancy to me points to about the use is not necessarily space.

1370
01:51:08,380 --> 01:51:11,100
You've seen, you've seen dilapidated places, you've seen a different return of moving,

1371
01:51:11,220 --> 01:51:13,220
and suddenly boom, the old place comes to life.

1372
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,960
Like the Trader Joe is located in one of your places that wasn't successful.

1373
01:51:17,500 --> 01:51:20,740
I guarantee that we come on a new magnet because people want that use.

1374
01:51:20,740 --> 01:51:32,040
And my final question is how much are you seeing businesses trying to build workforce housing on their property because I've always felt that's the future?

1375
01:51:32,660 --> 01:51:35,260
Are they embracing that because you brought it up a little bit?

1376
01:51:35,620 --> 01:51:46,960
But for me it makes the most sense that you buy 50% more land than you think you're going to need for your use and you put in some multifamily units for your workforce and it's part of the package deal

1377
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:52,740
and you know you can attract folks that you can pay them a decent wage and not worry about

1378
01:51:52,740 --> 01:51:56,540
commute and not worried about them having an affordability. I'd love to work for you,

1379
01:51:56,620 --> 01:52:01,860
but I can't find place to live. The two groups I've seen do that for better words are hospital's

1380
01:52:01,860 --> 01:52:08,700
healthcare and school districts. I'd like to see more of that done. I also lament when we see

1381
01:52:08,700 --> 01:52:12,340
affordable housing is only affordable for 30 years and it's like the magic the problem goes away

1382
01:52:12,340 --> 01:52:16,540
which it doesn't, but that's a different issue for a different day. As always, thank you for your time.

1383
01:52:16,540 --> 01:52:18,160
pleasure and I'll get the same to you.

1384
01:52:18,260 --> 01:52:21,080
It's probably one of the most important updates we get.

1385
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:23,000
It helps us fly the plane better.

1386
01:52:23,300 --> 01:52:28,560
I think it's important to keep the regular updates coming so we can keep looking for the little things along the way before it become big things.

1387
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:29,700
Thank you.

1388
01:52:29,700 --> 01:52:29,920
Thank you.

1389
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:30,420
Thank you.

1390
01:52:30,420 --> 01:52:30,880
Thank you, David.

1391
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:31,880
I just want to thank you again.

1392
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:32,800
These are always.

1393
01:52:33,340 --> 01:52:34,680
They're enjoyable to go through.

1394
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:35,920
I know for some people.

1395
01:52:36,020 --> 01:52:36,700
It's maybe mundane.

1396
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:40,720
But like you, I love getting into data and I find fascinating.

1397
01:52:41,260 --> 01:52:43,580
And then it also really does help this board look to the future.

1398
01:52:43,580 --> 01:52:46,780
So how we continue to change the modify for what's coming?

1399
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:47,620
So thank you.

1400
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:48,600
It's all you could see too.

1401
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:49,440
Thank you very much.

1402
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:49,680
Yeah.

1403
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:50,440
Thanks for the information.

1404
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:51,400
Commissioner Constance.

1405
01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:57,840
I would say whoever was on the board during that burn store, land acquisition, the board

1406
01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:00,140
approved those purchases, whether it was to eminent domain.

1407
01:53:00,220 --> 01:53:05,140
If the board didn't want to use that particular property for storm water, they should have

1408
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:07,100
just denied the purchase.

1409
01:53:07,660 --> 01:53:09,520
So I'm not really, I wasn't here back then.

1410
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:16,880
But, you know, if the complaint is the county used commercial property for storm water, I mean the border prove that.

1411
01:53:17,380 --> 01:53:20,860
It doesn't happen in a vacuum. So again, I wasn't here back then.

1412
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:25,420
And again, thank you for the information. It is a great planning tool.

1413
01:53:25,620 --> 01:53:27,920
And I would point to our most recent budget hearing.

1414
01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:34,880
Where we have our budget divided up into two big parts operating in capital.

1415
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:40,820
and you can see the capital part is increasing to reflect those infrastructure requirements that

1416
01:53:40,820 --> 01:53:45,940
you're kind of talking about in this. I think the board recognizes that as well as you know

1417
01:53:45,940 --> 01:53:51,380
going for you know 20 year sales tax period this time and we've we've loaded it with

1418
01:53:52,340 --> 01:53:58,940
items from our CNA capital needs assessment to make sure we're addressing those things for the long term.

1419
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:02,720
So that was one of the things that we're doing as a board commissioner, Dory Reckonester.

1420
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:04,900
Thank you very much.

1421
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:05,540
Yes, sir.

1422
01:54:05,540 --> 01:54:09,120
Keep a keen eye on our building permits and COs day.

1423
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:09,920
Yes, sir.

1424
01:54:10,100 --> 01:54:12,760
And see if there's a shift in trends up or down.

1425
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:14,640
You know, because I think that's the data.

1426
01:54:14,980 --> 01:54:15,660
I look at our report.

1427
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:17,760
We get from community development every month.

1428
01:54:18,260 --> 01:54:22,400
And it's hanging right in over 200 COs per month.

1429
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:24,220
That's pretty astounding.

1430
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:26,720
You know, reasonably speaking, I think.

1431
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:28,620
Pretty heavy.

1432
01:54:28,860 --> 01:54:31,080
To that point, like to go a quick shout out to Tara Prince.

1433
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:34,960
She has been a huge asset to us in providing data.

1434
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:36,720
It was very, very quickly allows us to do our job.

1435
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:39,660
But she yields me on Saturday Sunday.

1436
01:54:40,260 --> 01:54:41,140
She's a prince.

1437
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:41,940
Thank you very much.

1438
01:54:42,220 --> 01:54:42,340
Thank you.

1439
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:42,760
All right.

1440
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:43,660
Any further comments on this?

1441
01:54:43,740 --> 01:54:45,240
I'll come to your constant.

1442
01:54:45,460 --> 01:54:46,380
Mr. Chairman, no, not on the site.

1443
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:48,080
But could we go to the public hearing?

1444
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:49,960
Yes, I was going to say that next.

1445
01:54:50,540 --> 01:54:51,140
OK, thank you, sir.

1446
01:54:51,300 --> 01:54:51,740
Thank you.

1447
01:54:51,900 --> 01:54:53,700
If there's no objection from the board,

1448
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:56,380
I wanted to dispense with item T2.

1449
01:54:56,380 --> 01:54:57,540
Advent Health bond issue.

1450
01:54:57,580 --> 01:54:59,980
We have representatives of the hospital that have been.

1451
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:07,280
And here, if there's no objection, we're going to go ahead and do that. Okay. Who is going to present on that?

1452
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:12,400
Chair, I can, I can tee up just a couple of points. So we have been calling the director.

1453
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:29,980
Sorry, I have to floor some county administrator. But I appreciate their team, because we've been

1454
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:35,020
with the bond, we're helping facilitate the hearing and the requested resolution and then

1455
01:55:35,020 --> 01:55:35,880
attending in person.

1456
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:41,940
We've got Adam Johnson, CEO of Advent Health, and Kaylee Tuck from Gray Robinson's Fort

1457
01:55:41,940 --> 01:55:42,620
Myers office.

1458
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:44,920
Thank you for waiting and being with us.

1459
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:50,260
And then on teams, we have Chris Wallrath and Kristen Wash Hillson, their bond council

1460
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:55,560
with the firm of Chapman and Cutler, and then I'm going to turn it over to Chris,

1461
01:55:55,560 --> 01:56:00,000
believe he is there on teams and he'll speak to the the purpose of the hearing and the requested

1462
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,580
resolution to prove so. Chris, it's all yours. Thanks for waiting, bye bye.

1463
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:06,500
No worries. Thank you very much. Good morning, everybody.

1464
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:12,140
As Hector said, Chris will name for the record sir. Sure, Chris for Wall Wrap from Chapman

1465
01:56:12,140 --> 01:56:15,780
in color. We are bond counsel to Edvin Health. Thank you.

1466
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:22,220
Okay, welcome. So as Hector said, the reason for the hearing today and the request for a resolution

1467
01:56:22,220 --> 01:56:28,360
is to authorize and then help in their issuing partners, both the Colorado Health Facilities Authority

1468
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:34,000
and the Highlands County Health Facilities Authority, to issue tax exempt revenue bonds for the

1469
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:40,880
system. In this case, for the facilities that they now own in poor Charlotte. The way that the

1470
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:46,160
federal income tax law works in order to go ahead and finance something out of tax exempt basis,

1471
01:56:46,460 --> 01:56:51,740
you need to have public hearing and location for all the projects are located. And so that's the

1472
01:56:51,740 --> 01:56:56,360
request for this year and today. The materials that you have in front of you authorized

1473
01:56:56,980 --> 01:57:03,900
bonds in the amount of $200,000,000,000 in each program. So $400,000 for the facilities

1474
01:57:03,900 --> 01:57:08,620
in Port Charlotte over the next three years by the Colorado Health facilities authority

1475
01:57:08,620 --> 01:57:13,740
and by the Highlands County Health facilities authority. Both of these issuers have cross-border

1476
01:57:13,740 --> 01:57:18,360
powers and that's why we're able to go ahead and finance facilities outside of Colorado and

1477
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:26,320
outside of Highlands County with bonds, even though that issue or doesn't have a prime

1478
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:28,120
location in Charlotte County.

1479
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:31,780
As Hector said, there's no liability to Charlotte County.

1480
01:57:31,980 --> 01:57:35,460
Here, this hearing is just for federal income tax purposes only.

1481
01:57:36,180 --> 01:57:43,320
The county's name won't be on any of the offering documents has no liability and, you know,

1482
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:49,880
With respect to this, it's a very common plan that we do across the country to get approvals like this.

1483
01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:55,320
And haven't helped, I know greatly appreciate the county's ability to assist us in this endeavor

1484
01:57:55,320 --> 01:58:01,840
and will allow us to finance facilities at that poor Charlotte hospital over the next several years

1485
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:03,860
at a more cost-effective pace.

1486
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:04,800
Thank you, sir.

1487
01:58:04,820 --> 01:58:06,360
Any questions for open up the public?

1488
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:08,960
Okay, we're going to open this item up to the public.

1489
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,860
anybody which can speak on this item, you will have five minutes

1490
01:58:11,860 --> 01:58:14,780
date your name for the record. Anybody from the public,

1491
01:58:14,980 --> 01:58:16,880
which can speak on item T2, please come forward,

1492
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,000
state your name for the record, you'll have five minutes.

1493
01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:22,100
Mr. Chairman, I see no one rising and we'll close public input.

1494
01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:24,160
So, we have motion, second and closed public input,

1495
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:26,800
is there any further discussion? Is there any opposite

1496
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,580
to the motion? That passage unanimously.

1497
01:58:28,860 --> 01:58:29,960
Mr. Chairman, there is a solution.

1498
01:58:30,100 --> 01:58:31,800
Second. We have motion, second. The move to resolution,

1499
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:35,200
is there any further discussion? Is there any opposite to the motion?

1500
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:36,520
That passage unanimously.

1501
01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:38,920
Okay, thank you, sir.

1502
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:40,400
Excellent, thank you everybody.

1503
01:58:40,700 --> 01:58:41,140
Thank you.

1504
01:58:41,220 --> 01:58:48,900
We're going to go back to our regular agenda item S3-26 local government area of opportunity.

1505
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:54,380
Mrs. Turner, you're recognized to present.

1506
01:59:08,730 --> 01:59:09,790
Good morning, commissioners.

1507
01:59:09,970 --> 01:59:12,370
For the record, Colling Turner, Charlotte County Human Services.

1508
01:59:13,770 --> 01:59:17,350
I'm here this morning, on behalf of the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee,

1509
01:59:17,350 --> 01:59:22,970
presenting to you their recommendation for 2026 local government area of opportunity.

1510
01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:27,220
What is LGAO?

1511
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:32,660
It's a method where local government is given an opportunity to determine where affordable housing

1512
01:59:32,660 --> 01:59:34,660
is located in our community.

1513
01:59:35,900 --> 01:59:41,060
It's designed by Florida Housing Finance Corporation so that we have some skin in the game.

1514
01:59:41,540 --> 01:59:46,740
This is a permanent source of funding and each local government can commit one commitment

1515
01:59:46,740 --> 01:59:51,380
of LGAO funding for any particular RFA.

1516
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:56,140
There are several priority goals that Florida Housing

1517
01:59:56,140 --> 01:59:59,960
will fund in 2026 and permit.

1518
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,320
Ready projects are given a priority boost for each goal. Continuous support year over year of a project results

1519
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:12,640
in higher priority in Florida housing RFAs.

1520
02:00:14,930 --> 02:00:25,770
So for 2026, Florida housing issued their RFA 2026201, which is the 9% low-income housing tax credit for small and medium counties.

1521
02:00:26,410 --> 02:00:33,650
That was issued on July 16th. Applications are due August 11th. Applicants to that RFA must

1522
02:00:33,650 --> 02:00:40,950
secure verification of local contribution of a minimum of $340,000. While that can be issued

1523
02:00:40,950 --> 02:00:48,390
in a grant or alone, our proposal is for alone. Charlotte Home and the Board of County Commissioners

1524
02:00:48,390 --> 02:00:56,470
issued an RFA on May 4th with a deadline of June 5th, and we received two applications.

1525
02:00:58,950 --> 02:01:07,050
Provided for you is an overview of various nuances of each property or each proposal, and

1526
02:01:07,050 --> 02:01:13,050
you can see in this side by side comparison that they ranked fairly similarly.

1527
02:01:13,050 --> 02:01:18,970
Both properties, both proposed properties, are very desirable to your affordable housing

1528
02:01:18,970 --> 02:01:20,650
advisory committee and staff.

1529
02:01:21,110 --> 02:01:31,970
They scored very nearly the same, slightly lower AMI on average for Blue Deep Creek 2 and

1530
02:01:31,970 --> 02:01:37,610
slightly closer proximity to shopping and employment and things of that nature for Murdoch

1531
02:01:37,610 --> 02:01:37,990
Square.

1532
02:01:37,990 --> 02:01:48,170
Back up a little bit, Blue Deep Creek 2, is Phase 2 of a project that you awarded LGAO2 in 2023.

1533
02:01:52,210 --> 02:02:03,030
That is 70 units of affordable housing. This Phase 2 proposal would bring an additional 84 units of affordable housing on the same site.

1534
02:02:03,030 --> 02:02:12,690
You can see the unit mix for those units that they're proposing and the rent range, recognizing that these are one and two bedroom apartments.

1535
02:02:14,110 --> 02:02:22,030
The loan terms for LGIO should blue deep creek be selected is a 30 year at 3.62%

1536
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:25,770
The amortized for 30 years the term is 15.

1537
02:02:26,490 --> 02:02:29,110
Their estimated leaseup would be May of 2028.

1538
02:02:29,110 --> 02:02:36,070
Their experience, their ability to provide property management, things of that nature are listed

1539
02:02:36,070 --> 02:02:41,570
here and included in their full application that was provided to you, and they are currently

1540
02:02:41,570 --> 02:02:47,590
in partnership with us on a couple of affordable housing developments, and they are in good

1541
02:02:47,590 --> 02:02:50,350
standing and in compliance with rental monitoring.

1542
02:02:51,650 --> 02:02:52,630
They are not permit ready.

1543
02:02:53,950 --> 02:02:56,370
They do not have continuous local government support.

1544
02:02:56,370 --> 02:03:03,170
They are in an area of opportunity, but they do not meet the statistical area of difficult

1545
02:03:03,170 --> 02:03:05,930
development area criteria.

1546
02:03:07,470 --> 02:03:10,850
Those three things are priority goals for Florida Housing.

1547
02:03:11,730 --> 02:03:14,590
Blue Diet Creek received a Charlotte Home Score of 86,

1548
02:03:17,030 --> 02:03:20,390
Murdoch Square, slightly larger, 88

1549
02:03:20,390 --> 02:03:22,070
units of affordable housing on veterans.

1550
02:03:22,070 --> 02:03:27,330
This is a live local act proposed property for families.

1551
02:03:30,030 --> 02:03:32,590
It's a mix of one-to-and-three bedroom apartments.

1552
02:03:33,310 --> 02:03:34,730
Their rent range is shared.

1553
02:03:35,390 --> 02:03:38,970
Their AMI on average is slightly higher because as they noted in their comments,

1554
02:03:39,270 --> 02:03:43,450
they intend to serve a few up to 70% area median income.

1555
02:03:43,950 --> 02:03:47,770
So that changed their score slightly within Charlotte home.

1556
02:03:50,110 --> 02:03:55,250
Same loan terms for the 340,000 if it is awarded to them with the exception of a slightly higher

1557
02:03:55,250 --> 02:04:00,170
interest rate of 4.09, their lease up is anticipated for October of 28.

1558
02:04:01,270 --> 02:04:05,970
Their experience, their ability to provide property management is explained in the overview

1559
02:04:05,970 --> 02:04:08,250
and in their full application that was provided to you.

1560
02:04:08,870 --> 02:04:13,710
We have no prior performance concerns or conditions to share because we've not partnered

1561
02:04:13,710 --> 02:04:16,250
with them in affordable housing previously.

1562
02:04:17,130 --> 02:04:18,330
They are not yet permit ready.

1563
02:04:18,850 --> 02:04:22,090
They did receive 2025, local government support.

1564
02:04:22,090 --> 02:04:26,070
This year would give them two years of continuous support.

1565
02:04:26,890 --> 02:04:31,690
They are in an area of opportunity and they do meet the Sada goal.

1566
02:04:32,670 --> 02:04:34,090
They received a score of 82.

1567
02:04:37,500 --> 02:04:42,680
So we had an open public review and scoring session for the Charlotte Home Review Committee on June 15th.

1568
02:04:43,780 --> 02:04:46,720
As I noted, Blue Deep Creek had a slightly higher score.

1569
02:04:49,190 --> 02:04:54,210
And the most competitive for the Florida Housing RFA-2026-2001

1570
02:04:54,210 --> 02:04:56,210
was deemed to be Murdoch Square.

1571
02:04:57,090 --> 02:04:59,970
The Affordable Housing Advisory Committee, I see a typo.

1572
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:17,740
They met on June 24, not the 23rd, and they had much deliberation, and saw that same overview received some additional documentation from the housing trust group about their impression about their competitiveness in the RFA this year.

1573
02:05:17,740 --> 02:05:23,520
And they agree, both projects are very highly desired, but we can only choose one.

1574
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:30,140
And they opted to go for the one who would be most competitive at the Florida Housing RFA process in 2026.

1575
02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:33,640
So that is their recommendation to you.

1576
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:38,840
Some key factors to consider as you deliberate who your local preferences for the country.

1577
02:05:39,820 --> 02:05:45,960
Can you explain again and just so it's clear why the Murdoch Square is most likely to be funded?

1578
02:05:46,780 --> 02:05:55,220
I can. There are, I believe, eight separate goals that Florida Housing will fund in their

1579
02:05:55,220 --> 02:06:02,100
RFA process as they review applications. And one is current local government support. One

1580
02:06:02,100 --> 02:06:06,140
is continuous local government support for two years. One is a sun rail goal that doesn't

1581
02:06:06,140 --> 02:06:12,320
apply to us. One is for the GAO and Sada goal.

1582
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:15,440
When the information, what is sought to stand for again?

1583
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:19,520
Statistical area of difficult development area.

1584
02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:23,220
Kind of strange, but that is what it is.

1585
02:06:24,280 --> 02:06:28,100
So, the bottom line is housing trust group

1586
02:06:28,100 --> 02:06:33,380
contends that they qualify for five of the eight separate goals

1587
02:06:33,380 --> 02:06:35,760
within Florida Housing's review process

1588
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:40,060
and that BlueJick Creek would this year only qualify for three

1589
02:06:40,060 --> 02:06:41,280
of those same goals.

1590
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:48,160
So the likelihood of housing trust group having more bicep apples, so to speak, is their

1591
02:06:48,160 --> 02:06:48,720
contention.

1592
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:53,480
They both agreed, however, in discussions that because neither of them right now, at the

1593
02:06:53,480 --> 02:07:02,360
time of application, are permit ready, that funding for either of them in this cycle is less

1594
02:07:02,360 --> 02:07:08,120
likely, because in each goal, Florida housing will fund the permit ready project.

1595
02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:11,080
That meets that goal first and then others if possible.

1596
02:07:13,310 --> 02:07:13,490
Thank you.

1597
02:07:16,910 --> 02:07:22,410
So for Blue Deep Creek, this is the completion of phase two of an existing development in Deep Creek.

1598
02:07:23,210 --> 02:07:26,470
All tenants are below 60% AMI.

1599
02:07:26,670 --> 02:07:27,650
Area meeting income.

1600
02:07:28,390 --> 02:07:30,450
That's a little less competitive in 2026.

1601
02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:36,990
They stated earlier and continue to contend they will be permit ready in time for 2027 LGAO.

1602
02:07:36,990 --> 02:07:43,730
GAO and their belief is with local government support in 2026 and local government continuous

1603
02:07:43,730 --> 02:07:51,810
support in 2027, they would be most competitive for that cycle next year for the 9% tax

1604
02:07:51,810 --> 02:07:56,110
credit for Blue Deep Creek. Murdoch Square, on the other hand, it's a new development in Port

1605
02:07:56,110 --> 02:08:03,750
Charlotte. It's a live local act location. 44% of their tenants would be slightly higher than 60%

1606
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:09,310
May I? They are more competitive in this cycle. And we do believe we do agree with that

1607
02:08:09,310 --> 02:08:15,210
contention. Staff do agree that they are more competitive in 2026. They're eligible for

1608
02:08:15,210 --> 02:08:20,550
three goals. And they have proximity to medical and work.

1609
02:08:23,720 --> 02:08:25,060
In the past you've funded the

1610
02:08:25,060 --> 02:08:30,540
Verandas of Punagora to three by new start development. And you have funded Blue Deep Creek

1611
02:08:30,540 --> 02:08:37,280
Phase I, I Blue Sky communities, they are about to lease up and we are very excited about

1612
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:40,500
that. It's probably more likely August than July.

1613
02:08:43,630 --> 02:08:45,490
I also want to note that both developers

1614
02:08:45,490 --> 02:08:53,030
are in the room. As are a few A-hack members who were present for the deliberation on June

1615
02:08:53,030 --> 02:08:58,770
24th and open to have any discussion, answer any questions you might have. We are asking that

1616
02:08:58,770 --> 02:09:03,390
You consider the AHAC recommendation for local preference and select your preferred development

1617
02:09:03,790 --> 02:09:10,870
that you authorize a $340,000 affordable housing trust fund loan for the selected applicant

1618
02:09:11,530 --> 02:09:17,530
based on their proposed terms, and that that loan would be contingent upon the award

1619
02:09:17,530 --> 02:09:23,810
of the Florida Housing Finance Corporations RFA for Leitech, and that you would authorize the

1620
02:09:23,810 --> 02:09:28,270
chairman to sign the required verification of contribution forms on behalf of the selected

1621
02:09:28,270 --> 02:09:35,430
development. Thank you. Yeah, I would just for you all up to date. Obviously, I've been on a

1622
02:09:35,430 --> 02:09:41,150
hack for a long time. I was at the the last meeting. Both applicants came in had an opportunity

1623
02:09:41,150 --> 02:09:47,730
to present. Take Q and A from all the members. It was a very, very good thorough discussion.

1624
02:09:49,410 --> 02:09:54,490
As you all know, the A hack has some really, really good knowledgeable people,

1625
02:09:54,490 --> 02:09:59,870
very engaged group in everything affordable housing, which is our role.

1626
02:10:00,340 --> 02:10:29,990
And we made that recommendation again through those vigorous discussions. There was one person who did not support the recommendation out of the group and it was because of Murdoch Square property with some ingress egress. I think to the rear of the property. I believe the applicant subsequently submitted a site plan addressing that issue. But other than that, that was it. Everybody else was in full support.

1627
02:10:29,990 --> 02:10:37,370
And it came down for me, and I think to the members, which one was most likely to be funded?

1628
02:10:38,530 --> 02:10:44,470
And I asked professional staff, I asked Mrs. Turner, what was your professional opinion, and she stated it today,

1629
02:10:44,950 --> 02:10:47,710
that Murdoch Square is the most likely to be funded.

1630
02:10:48,430 --> 02:10:53,310
And our bold goal is to get affordable housing into the marketplace.

1631
02:10:53,310 --> 02:10:57,530
And so we supported the one most likely to succeed.

1632
02:10:58,030 --> 02:11:01,830
So that was a little bit of background on the discussions that we had as an A-hack.

1633
02:11:02,070 --> 02:11:03,490
Again, both applicants were there.

1634
02:11:04,070 --> 02:11:07,690
Had a chance to present and engage with our group and answer questions.

1635
02:11:09,930 --> 02:11:11,590
So any other comments on this item?

1636
02:11:12,890 --> 02:11:14,730
We'll need a motion.

1637
02:11:14,970 --> 02:11:15,970
There's three parts to this.

1638
02:11:16,070 --> 02:11:20,410
I will note in the packet provided for you.

1639
02:11:20,410 --> 02:11:24,310
I was asked to prepare except minutes from that dialogue at the AHAC meeting.

1640
02:11:24,630 --> 02:11:25,450
Those are there.

1641
02:11:25,470 --> 02:11:30,030
And attached to that is the head-to-head comparison provided by Housing Trust Group

1642
02:11:30,030 --> 02:11:33,230
at that time on June 24th to the AHAC.

1643
02:11:34,310 --> 02:11:43,570
After that, Florida Housing amended their RFA slightly, and it shifted some things that

1644
02:11:43,570 --> 02:11:49,770
increased their competitiveness, and they provided a supplemental and updated head-to-head

1645
02:11:49,770 --> 02:11:53,030
comparison from their perspective about their competitiveness.

1646
02:11:53,550 --> 02:11:58,230
That was provided based on guidance from administration in the county attorney and commission.

1647
02:11:59,130 --> 02:12:04,090
To you as well for your review and so that the public would have access to that as well.

1648
02:12:04,290 --> 02:12:08,370
So those two items are attached to your agenda so that you can see from housing trust groups

1649
02:12:08,370 --> 02:12:12,870
perspective about their competitiveness at the state RFA.

1650
02:12:13,190 --> 02:12:17,890
I think you stated in the presentation the biggest issue I think we had is we had two great projects.

1651
02:12:18,730 --> 02:12:19,330
That's the problem.

1652
02:12:19,330 --> 02:12:20,930
It's an embarrassment of riches.

1653
02:12:21,550 --> 02:12:22,990
I don't want to carry like to say.

1654
02:12:23,230 --> 02:12:25,810
I had Mr. Commissioner Dirty, but Mr. David's in the queue.

1655
02:12:25,990 --> 02:12:26,910
Would you like to hear from legal first?

1656
02:12:27,170 --> 02:12:27,470
Absolutely.

1657
02:12:27,750 --> 02:12:27,990
OK.

1658
02:12:28,310 --> 02:12:31,650
Mr. David, I'm just like to ask Linda to come up.

1659
02:12:31,810 --> 02:12:34,250
There was a part of that motion.

1660
02:12:34,490 --> 02:12:37,510
Can you just describe the issue with the loan terms to make sure

1661
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:40,230
work the board's clear on what that issue is?

1662
02:12:40,290 --> 02:12:40,430
Good.

1663
02:12:40,990 --> 02:12:41,790
Is there morning, too?

1664
02:12:42,290 --> 02:12:43,130
Good morning, Commissioner.

1665
02:12:43,290 --> 02:12:44,430
There's going to prove it for the record.

1666
02:12:45,350 --> 02:12:48,730
My question is part of the request was for you guys

1667
02:12:48,730 --> 02:12:51,090
to make a motion to approve the developer

1668
02:12:51,090 --> 02:12:54,830
and to issue a loan, provide it, they receive their award

1669
02:12:54,830 --> 02:12:59,510
from the RFA, contingent upon the developer's loan terms.

1670
02:12:59,870 --> 02:13:02,650
And I want to make sure we flesh out if we know

1671
02:13:02,650 --> 02:13:05,730
what those loan terms are, so that I will know what that is.

1672
02:13:05,930 --> 02:13:08,350
When I get ready to draft these documents, that's important.

1673
02:13:08,650 --> 02:13:10,970
So we don't have to come back to you for a clarification.

1674
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:14,190
Do you want the applicant to come up and speak to the loan?

1675
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:16,930
I think it's important for the board to understand

1676
02:13:16,930 --> 02:13:19,790
what those provisional loan terms would be,

1677
02:13:20,090 --> 02:13:21,550
so that they are drafted in the document.

1678
02:13:21,770 --> 02:13:24,190
I mean, the loan terms from the county to the developer.

1679
02:13:24,370 --> 02:13:26,190
From the county to the developer, Craig.

1680
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:33,060
Okay.

1681
02:13:33,060 --> 02:13:33,940
Commissioner Dorty.

1682
02:13:34,860 --> 02:13:35,700
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1683
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:37,060
Well, I agree.

1684
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:41,000
I've had the opportunity to discuss both projects,

1685
02:13:41,160 --> 02:13:43,680
both applicants, they're both excellent.

1686
02:13:44,540 --> 02:13:46,060
I agree with that comment.

1687
02:13:47,220 --> 02:13:50,700
My struggle right now is with Murdoch Square,

1688
02:13:50,700 --> 02:13:58,740
And I understand why the committee made their recommendation for the highly probable that they would score better.

1689
02:13:59,580 --> 02:14:05,680
But, you know, my concern is we just had a presentation on the need for industrial land in Australia County.

1690
02:14:06,300 --> 02:14:12,700
This is on four acres of industrial zone property. Small, small parcel.

1691
02:14:13,240 --> 02:14:18,620
The other issue I've got is, I think it's 88 units on four acres.

1692
02:14:18,620 --> 02:14:25,020
That's 22 units per acre. I saw the conceptual site plan. It was absolutely no area for stormwater management.

1693
02:14:26,200 --> 02:14:34,520
Now, probably I've, I've, I've vaulted put under parking on, on, on Raymond James stating for the buck and heirs the target across the street.

1694
02:14:34,860 --> 02:14:39,500
I vaulted underneath the parking lots because they didn't have an over real estate to put it open stormwater.

1695
02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:44,160
So it can be done, but it seems to fly in the face of affordable housing. That's not true.

1696
02:14:44,160 --> 02:14:50,340
It's not inexpensive when we put that one, but it's and I saw access issues.

1697
02:14:50,860 --> 02:14:56,000
I do not want to see a driveway on Veterans Boulevard, you know, I think coming out on

1698
02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:56,920
Kendall Worth makes sense.

1699
02:14:57,060 --> 02:14:59,980
So I have more site plan issues with that project.

1700
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:14,760
And it's only conceptual with this point. I understand that. But I do have some concerns over that converting that industrial property when we just got a presentation that we're grossly short on industrial land. That's all. I just want to get that out.

1701
02:15:14,980 --> 02:15:16,260
Thank you.

1702
02:15:16,260 --> 02:15:18,300
Any other comments on the application? Mr. Trekshire.

1703
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:19,480
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1704
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:27,200
I had some concerns on veterans, but when they added the rear entrance to it, you know, that to me made a lot of sense.

1705
02:15:27,200 --> 02:15:33,240
I think you need to have a flow front and back on it for access, emergency access.

1706
02:15:33,260 --> 02:15:37,380
You don't want to have to send fire trucks all the way around the back of the kind of work

1707
02:15:37,380 --> 02:15:39,280
to come in to a facility like that.

1708
02:15:39,860 --> 02:15:44,360
So I think they have access and two directions for public safety perspective, I think it's good.

1709
02:15:46,660 --> 02:15:51,400
The storm water could be an issue, I looked at that too, and I was worried about buffers.

1710
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:55,220
And they're willing to address buffers with the industrial next door.

1711
02:15:55,220 --> 02:15:59,080
our JBR is there, I guess, right? So that was a concern,

1712
02:16:01,860 --> 02:16:04,400
we need the housing guys, and we know

1713
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:10,000
we've been short for many, many years, and yes, I wish we could have both of them. But I think we

1714
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:17,100
can have both of them. But I think we have to go with the one that has the best possible chance of being

1715
02:16:17,100 --> 02:16:19,800
funded first, just like the AAC said.

1716
02:16:20,820 --> 02:16:25,440
And so I've make the motion that we approve Murdoch Square,

1717
02:16:27,500 --> 02:16:30,540
has requested, I got to switch my screens, sorry,

1718
02:16:31,140 --> 02:16:35,280
part A-B-N-C, part A-B-N-C, and we need to add

1719
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:38,320
the clarification of the long terms to this note motion.

1720
02:16:39,980 --> 02:16:41,360
I'll second that for discussion.

1721
02:16:41,820 --> 02:16:42,920
Commissioner David, you're having time.

1722
02:16:53,820 --> 02:16:59,940
I think there are some loan terms in this overview here. I think those are the basic loan terms.

1723
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:06,900
So I think what I would recommend Mr. Chair is that the final loan documents be drafted

1724
02:17:06,900 --> 02:17:12,320
to the county attorney's review for sufficiency and we'll take the rest of it from there.

1725
02:17:12,400 --> 02:17:16,300
I think that'll that should work out and we'll follow what we have done in the past.

1726
02:17:16,860 --> 02:17:17,280
So, yeah.

1727
02:17:17,560 --> 02:17:19,660
But I think the basic terms are there.

1728
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:23,820
Okay, but they're obviously it's an agreement so there'll be a lot of other things in there.

1729
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:29,280
So we'll make a draft if we can't come to a conclusion or a reasonable understanding

1730
02:17:29,280 --> 02:17:31,920
with the applicant then we will come back to the board.

1731
02:17:32,660 --> 02:17:32,700
Okay.

1732
02:17:32,940 --> 02:17:33,780
Thank you.

1733
02:17:33,780 --> 02:17:36,820
I have really no objection to the motion.

1734
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:38,360
Again, great project.

1735
02:17:38,860 --> 02:17:44,700
I guess if it's a right in right out off of veterans, no meeting and openings, that makes sense.

1736
02:17:44,980 --> 02:17:47,380
Obviously, he needs the back door for safety.

1737
02:17:48,040 --> 02:17:49,940
Probably have a decil lane too.

1738
02:17:50,780 --> 02:17:52,440
All that stuff can get worked out.

1739
02:17:52,500 --> 02:17:54,780
I think the applicant has heard the concerns.

1740
02:17:56,220 --> 02:18:00,840
And I wouldn't have any objection to actually, that's a lot of units on that for acres.

1741
02:18:00,840 --> 02:18:10,080
You know, and maybe it's other architectural and engineering solutions that could make that a more affordable, but anyways, that's my concern.

1742
02:18:10,380 --> 02:18:16,300
Well, I think we approved 600 units for the Murdoch for the track, what was the Bachmann track?

1743
02:18:16,780 --> 02:18:19,020
Yeah, but we talked about hundreds of units.

1744
02:18:19,780 --> 02:18:22,640
We got some real estate to work with there, and they'll vertical.

1745
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:23,640
I don't know about access.

1746
02:18:24,180 --> 02:18:25,720
Yeah, totally get it.

1747
02:18:25,860 --> 02:18:27,700
Yeah, no, I have no objection to the motion, so.

1748
02:18:28,580 --> 02:18:29,640
So is there any further discussion?

1749
02:18:30,320 --> 02:18:33,580
Is there any opposition to the motion that passes unanimously?

1750
02:18:34,060 --> 02:18:39,620
We're going to move on to item number S4, Port Charlotte Beach, P-Schedule.

1751
02:18:40,640 --> 02:18:42,640
Mr. Scott, you're recognized to present sir.

1752
02:18:46,140 --> 02:18:50,680
And again, on that last item, I really do want to think the applicants.

1753
02:18:51,340 --> 02:18:58,600
I tell you, it wasn't contentious, but they were supporting their position at that A-hack meeting.

1754
02:18:59,260 --> 02:19:06,960
And it was great in a way to hear that they want to be here in Charlotte County, partner with us in any way possible to provide affordable housing.

1755
02:19:07,020 --> 02:19:09,000
I encourage you to keep coming back.

1756
02:19:09,500 --> 02:19:11,200
We supported phase one.

1757
02:19:11,380 --> 02:19:16,240
Unfortunately, this time for phase two, it wasn't there, but we're here to support affordable housing.

1758
02:19:16,580 --> 02:19:18,800
Thank you for thinking about Charlotte County.

1759
02:19:18,880 --> 02:19:19,960
Thank you for that.

1760
02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:21,820
Very, very, very competitive.

1761
02:19:21,980 --> 02:19:22,600
Very competitive.

1762
02:19:22,760 --> 02:19:23,940
And the applicants know that.

1763
02:19:23,940 --> 02:19:26,040
I think they both recognize very competitive.

1764
02:19:27,100 --> 02:19:27,780
Thank you.

1765
02:19:29,540 --> 02:19:30,920
All right, Mr. Scott, thank you very much.

1766
02:19:31,800 --> 02:19:33,500
Good morning, Tommy Scott, can you serve us the director?

1767
02:19:34,560 --> 02:19:37,180
I wanted to bring forward that actual requested motion

1768
02:19:37,180 --> 02:19:40,040
is going to be a resolution of our fee schedule

1769
02:19:40,040 --> 02:19:41,820
updating, specifically on Port Charlotte Beach.

1770
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:45,120
But I wanted to take the opportunity to kind of go through a presentation.

1771
02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:47,880
I'm just to kind of walk you through kind of the research

1772
02:19:47,880 --> 02:19:50,320
that we had done, the benchmarking comparisons,

1773
02:19:50,820 --> 02:19:52,780
because this is a slight change of how we

1774
02:19:52,780 --> 02:19:55,020
have done our normal rental rates.

1775
02:19:56,340 --> 02:19:57,720
So this will kind of just walk through.

1776
02:19:57,720 --> 02:19:59,960
I'll give a little bit of brief history, current fees.

1777
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,940
Schedule, some of the benchmarking we've done and then we'll get, we did and then we'll get to the proposed

1778
02:20:03,940 --> 02:20:08,980
fee schedule for consideration. So again, obviously, you know, some of this history, but the facility

1779
02:20:08,980 --> 02:20:14,240
came out of the ground and back in the 70s to make event space, restrooms in a public pool.

1780
02:20:14,680 --> 02:20:18,780
It's been renovated several times through the years, including some recovery efforts after

1781
02:20:18,780 --> 02:20:24,540
Hurricane Charlie. Most recently, back in 1819, we did the parking lot renovations for a drainage.

1782
02:20:25,060 --> 02:20:28,680
I'm in the Sailing Center, which was a 1% local sales tax project.

1783
02:20:31,060 --> 02:20:31,540
There we go.

1784
02:20:31,540 --> 02:20:42,020
So some pictures of what the building used to look like, so this is how it was, and it's like kind of open state, an aerial of what it looked like.

1785
02:20:42,440 --> 02:20:48,020
You can see the large outdoor deck, which was a great place for weddings and other events to happen.

1786
02:20:48,540 --> 02:20:59,880
We did a multitude of different kinds of events, whether they were county directed or mostly user directed event rental type spaces, but heavily used by our community for many many years.

1787
02:21:01,380 --> 02:21:07,080
Then we fast forward to some of these pictures that happened through Hurricane Saline and Milton.

1788
02:21:07,620 --> 02:21:12,560
But both facilities have sustained damage for the multitude of hurricanes that we've experienced over the last five years.

1789
02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:20,500
So this kind of gives you this is the rendering of what the new Port Charlotte Beach Recreation Center will look like.

1790
02:21:20,840 --> 02:21:25,240
The right was a recent aerial that was provided to us by the contractor.

1791
02:21:25,240 --> 02:21:29,600
But as you can see, it is coming out of the ground and for those of you who haven't been there in a while.

1792
02:21:29,900 --> 02:21:37,740
The siding is complete. They're working to finish up the roofing and the MEP is getting near completion as well.

1793
02:21:37,900 --> 02:21:45,080
So they are moving along. Their substantial completion date is still Christmas Eve December 24th of this year.

1794
02:21:45,320 --> 02:21:49,080
Then we'll move into the spring of next year as we outfit the building for operation.

1795
02:21:49,740 --> 02:21:54,740
Which is really the main reason that we want to have this conversation is we need to be ready to start renting the facility.

1796
02:21:54,740 --> 02:21:59,240
people are already been asking. So establishing these rental rates is why we're bringing this

1797
02:21:59,240 --> 02:22:04,240
forward now before we go into the August break so that way we can have some rates ready to go.

1798
02:22:05,460 --> 02:22:11,540
So our current fee schedule for indoor space is really geared towards square footage by hour,

1799
02:22:11,940 --> 02:22:16,640
right? And it is pretty much universally applied throughout all of the facilities underneath community

1800
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:23,420
services purview. It really doesn't have any real guidance towards a structure that might be on

1801
02:22:23,420 --> 02:22:27,940
waterfront that is more event space. It's just if you want to rent it is based upon square footage

1802
02:22:27,940 --> 02:22:28,800
in by-hour.

1803
02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:34,900
So we went and through the exercise of doing the regional comparison about

1804
02:22:36,500 --> 02:22:41,740
Sarasota, Emily and Charlotte County event facilities to really try and get a benchmark of what

1805
02:22:41,740 --> 02:22:48,160
is in the market in our competitors and what they're doing. Because again, this is an event space and

1806
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:53,480
it will draw in we've already had people who are inquiring about rentals for it.

1807
02:22:53,480 --> 02:23:12,320
So we looked at a myriad and it runs the gamut, right, size, price, how they break it down for additional costs because most of them not only are you paying a rental cost, but then you're charged for every chair, every table, every pen, you want to borrow everything as well.

1808
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:20,460
So we really looked at all of those to really kind of get us to the nexus of where we were at in our proposed rental rates.

1809
02:23:20,920 --> 02:23:26,880
But generally speaking, there's three four rental spaces at the new building that's coming out of the ground.

1810
02:23:27,020 --> 02:23:33,400
There is a joint space that can be divided in half. There's a large space and then there's a smaller conference meeting room space.

1811
02:23:33,860 --> 02:23:41,680
So when we looked at this small and the small meeting room categories for the benchmarks were somewhere between 70 to 250 an hour.

1812
02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:44,840
So, we're between 300 to 600 to day, right?

1813
02:23:45,740 --> 02:23:50,880
The event spaces, which are the bigger ones, and again, they vary in size, even, and I have

1814
02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:55,880
another slide that we also looked at the event center here down on the harbor, specifically.

1815
02:23:56,880 --> 02:24:03,880
Those are varying as well, but anywhere between 5,000 and 2,000 per day, most other facilities

1816
02:24:03,880 --> 02:24:07,600
are charging you again for all of those extra things, tables, chairs, all of that kind of stuff.

1817
02:24:08,100 --> 02:24:16,600
So we really tried to stay kind of in the middle and around most of those things, but with a new concept for our rentals that I'll talk about here in a second.

1818
02:24:16,960 --> 02:24:21,120
I thought I heard you say 5,500 to 2,000.

1819
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:26,260
The numbers just rolled together for you, but 5200 to 2,000 on that event space per day.

1820
02:24:27,220 --> 02:24:27,780
Sorry about that.

1821
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:35,660
So the event center, this is kind of my soft launch into how dynamic pricing work.

1822
02:24:35,660 --> 02:24:39,700
So the event center has as part of their fee schedule that we bring to the board, they have

1823
02:24:39,700 --> 02:24:45,620
a dynamic pricing, not for profit, obviously a commercial which we have as well, but they

1824
02:24:45,620 --> 02:24:49,920
also have a model for in-season and out-of-season, right?

1825
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:53,040
So when they can meet demand, the price goes up for that as well.

1826
02:24:53,220 --> 02:24:58,260
But here are their prices that they have, again, the range on the halls, like between

1827
02:24:58,260 --> 02:24:59,840
1995 and a thousand forty

1828
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:04,580
That really is where they start getting into some of their dynamic pricing of in-season and out-of-season.

1829
02:25:06,820 --> 02:25:12,380
So, for ours, we came in with the proposal of, again, the large, which is the room A, because you the square footage,

1830
02:25:12,760 --> 02:25:18,460
we're looking at basically cat one, is the non-profit cat two is the for-profit rate.

1831
02:25:18,480 --> 02:25:28,320
That is just continuing how we have it for all of our other facilities. We're looking at doing a day, a week, day rate, which is Monday through Thursday, and then a week in rate, which is Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

1832
02:25:28,320 --> 02:25:31,680
Those are peak times, that's the peak use when people want to rent the facilities.

1833
02:25:32,620 --> 02:25:36,760
So we're proposing a shift differential in that for the dynamic pricing.

1834
02:25:37,180 --> 02:25:42,140
The other change that I will point out is also going from an hourly rate to a day rate.

1835
02:25:42,580 --> 02:25:47,420
It is difficult to be able to in a facility like this, and we just don't see it.

1836
02:25:47,800 --> 02:25:51,120
Multiple events going on in the same space that we're turning in a day.

1837
02:25:51,300 --> 02:25:54,120
People are renting it and it's for the day, and so we just went to that pricing.

1838
02:25:54,380 --> 02:25:56,640
Instead of doing it by hour, it makes it easier.

1839
02:25:56,640 --> 02:26:01,700
Now, again, we can do multiple events in multiple spaces, but we're just not turning the room.

1840
02:26:01,780 --> 02:26:03,720
So we can have an event going on in the large room.

1841
02:26:03,820 --> 02:26:06,780
We could have two different events going on in the split rooms.

1842
02:26:07,100 --> 02:26:10,540
It's just not taking the large room and doing it two or three times a day.

1843
02:26:10,860 --> 02:26:14,500
Just for setup and what events use, it just doesn't work like that.

1844
02:26:14,500 --> 02:26:15,980
So we went to a day rate.

1845
02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:22,780
As I mentioned, all of our in-house equipment is all included in that pricing, which is a nice change.

1846
02:26:23,460 --> 02:26:24,800
I think that we have as well.

1847
02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:31,000
The other thing I'll point out is we did build in as you've seen the designs and if you remember on Port Charlotte Beach a catering kitchen

1848
02:26:31,000 --> 02:26:38,220
Which we think is an amazing amenity. We had a kitchen in the old building. It had a it had a commercial hood on it, but it

1849
02:26:38,220 --> 02:26:40,020
It wasn't great. This is a full

1850
02:26:40,020 --> 02:26:46,120
On cooking catering kitchen. What sets us apart from other people is we do not have a catering contract

1851
02:26:46,120 --> 02:26:50,000
So even at the event center they have in-house food and beverage services

1852
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:51,860
So you have to utilize their service.

1853
02:26:52,340 --> 02:26:54,480
Most other event spaces throughout the regions,

1854
02:26:54,640 --> 02:26:56,960
if the same model, you can rent the space,

1855
02:26:57,100 --> 02:26:59,260
but then you also have to use our facilities.

1856
02:27:00,200 --> 02:27:02,480
Most hotels that do events, it's a very same model.

1857
02:27:03,060 --> 02:27:04,080
Ars is we have a space.

1858
02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:06,520
If you want to use it, you can cook and bring from home.

1859
02:27:06,680 --> 02:27:09,700
You can hire your own, you can do whatever you want.

1860
02:27:09,840 --> 02:27:11,120
There's a rate to use the space,

1861
02:27:11,240 --> 02:27:13,520
but we're not dictating you have to use ours.

1862
02:27:14,340 --> 02:27:16,000
That reduces cost for event users

1863
02:27:16,000 --> 02:27:19,140
and it provides flexibility if they just want to cook

1864
02:27:19,140 --> 02:27:23,240
themselves are bringing from home. We're not limiting that factor, but that is a significant

1865
02:27:23,240 --> 02:27:27,480
difference between us and pretty much most other event rental spaces that are out there.

1866
02:27:28,380 --> 02:27:35,300
We have proposed these through the Parks Recreation Advisory Board, and they had provided their

1867
02:27:35,300 --> 02:27:40,360
unanimous support as a recommendation to this board for this fee schedule that you see before you.

1868
02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:48,620
This just kind of gives you some comparisons of where we were. Again, it's not actual apples and

1869
02:27:48,620 --> 02:27:54,300
which is just because of it's a per square footage per hour, but this will kind of give you

1870
02:27:54,300 --> 02:27:59,240
ranges. So we're in the range of where we were before, where we are a little bit higher than

1871
02:27:59,240 --> 02:28:03,640
we were before, especially when we start adding on that dynamic pricing for the weekends. But again,

1872
02:28:03,740 --> 02:28:08,780
I think you asked us to build a top-notch event facility, which we have done. We have already

1873
02:28:08,780 --> 02:28:13,540
have people that are waiting on the decision on the rental rate, so they can start booking out

1874
02:28:13,540 --> 02:28:21,340
events. So we feel we're pretty, these proposals proposed fees are within the range and the

1875
02:28:21,340 --> 02:28:26,440
market and provide a great opportunity for the community. So with that, I'll all stand for

1876
02:28:26,440 --> 02:28:29,320
any questions you all might have about our proposed fees schedule.

1877
02:28:29,460 --> 02:28:29,940
That's right.

1878
02:28:30,300 --> 02:28:32,480
There's nobody in the queue, so I'll jump in real quick.

1879
02:28:34,520 --> 02:28:38,740
And neighborhood watch out there, they have meetings out there. I think they used to meet in

1880
02:28:38,740 --> 02:28:42,440
the old facility from time to time, and I think they used to the pavilions as well.

1881
02:28:42,440 --> 02:28:48,580
They have used both. Yes, sir. Yeah, they're using pavilions right now. Obviously, but they may want to get back into the building

1882
02:28:49,080 --> 02:28:50,800
It's a small group. What did they pay?

1883
02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:58,400
Based on this schedule? What would they have been charged before it was demolished the in the old facility for the space they used?

1884
02:28:58,760 --> 02:29:00,760
I'm not sure what room size that would be so

1885
02:29:01,380 --> 02:29:05,980
I have the old room size and what I'm wondering which room size would they fall into today?

1886
02:29:06,340 --> 02:29:11,820
So the old rooms the smaller which is the one that was kind of out closest to where the the out door

1887
02:29:12,460 --> 02:29:19,300
deck was, was about 975 square feet. So they would have paid the non-profit rate, which

1888
02:29:19,300 --> 02:29:26,640
was $200 a day if you did it by hours. So in looking at this, excuse me, is about $25 an

1889
02:29:26,640 --> 02:29:33,160
hour, is what they were paying before. So that came out to about $200 a day. So what did they

1890
02:29:33,160 --> 02:29:37,300
pay before for them? I don't have their exact rental rates, what they paid before.

1891
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:41,800
That's

1892
02:29:43,480 --> 02:29:59,980
I'm just trying to figure out, could you know, those small groups, it's important, you know, historically they met there, and I don't know for pricing them out with this schedule. That's why I'm trying to compare for the size room that they would have used back in the day and then what room would they use now if they asked you to reserve a room for me.

1893
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,480
So honestly, if it was my comparison for them, would probably be the conference room, right?

1894
02:30:04,620 --> 02:30:10,860
Which on this is in the middle of 336 square feet, right? So there's the large event space, the, the, the, the, uh,

1895
02:30:11,180 --> 02:30:16,720
Divideable room event space and then we built in this conference room space to allow kind of those smaller groups.

1896
02:30:17,160 --> 02:30:26,980
So probably that and or if they needed to to maybe move to one of the Divideable spaces, which is the B slash C spaces, which gets you up into that 800 square foot space.

1897
02:30:26,980 --> 02:30:33,960
Okay, so room D conference room $150 a day correct so if they needed it just for like a two-hour meeting

1898
02:30:33,960 --> 02:30:41,300
They pay the one 50 day. Okay, and before did they pay by the hour they paid by the hour so it would have been

1899
02:30:41,300 --> 02:30:44,240
25 bucks an hour correct. Okay, so

1900
02:30:45,680 --> 02:30:50,840
Theoretically if they needed the room for two-hour meeting they would have paid 50 before now it's about a hundred and fifty

1901
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:55,440
Okay, just I have a little an issue with affordability

1902
02:30:55,440 --> 02:31:01,720
for that on that and being at the facility watching it go up we have

1903
02:31:01,720 --> 02:31:05,680
usable space now because we've raised the facility thousands of square feet

1904
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:09,140
underneath. How is that going to be handled if somebody wanted to use that

1905
02:31:09,140 --> 02:31:13,400
and maybe meet there. How's the public going to have access because they're

1906
02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:16,840
finishing the ceiling there and they're putting in lighting. So what is that

1907
02:31:16,840 --> 02:31:21,120
going to be useful? So we haven't programmed that as event space but to your

1908
02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:27,140
point, it is usable space, so we haven't gotten that far down into it. Again, we rent

1909
02:31:27,140 --> 02:31:31,580
pavilions, so people can use that. I'm sure as it comes out of the ground and we see

1910
02:31:31,580 --> 02:31:36,260
what that usage looks like, whether it is events that want an outdoor space that there

1911
02:31:36,260 --> 02:31:42,340
is the outdoor deck on the building, the current building, right? Could they want some overflow

1912
02:31:42,340 --> 02:31:47,300
that's downstairs? Absolutely. We haven't gotten to that and figure it out exactly what

1913
02:31:47,300 --> 02:31:50,300
that looks like. We don't know what that demand will be for underneath. But to your point,

1914
02:31:50,300 --> 02:31:54,240
they're absolutely a space underneath there that can be used for just general public to

1915
02:31:54,240 --> 02:31:59,560
be able to be out of the sun, but we need near the water, how it folds into event rentable

1916
02:31:59,560 --> 02:31:59,800
space.

1917
02:32:00,320 --> 02:32:01,300
I don't have an answer for that yet.

1918
02:32:01,400 --> 02:32:02,960
We want to kind of really see how the demand looks.

1919
02:32:03,280 --> 02:32:07,700
Yeah, I think that's going to be really important that we start game planning because it's

1920
02:32:07,700 --> 02:32:11,160
thousands of square feet of usable space.

1921
02:32:11,160 --> 02:32:16,200
I think it's got at least a 10 foot ceiling or 9 foot ceiling when they put the finishing

1922
02:32:17,140 --> 02:32:21,480
And you've got views of the water and you're fully protected from the elements underneath

1923
02:32:21,480 --> 02:32:24,700
where there's a picnic tables under there for people to meet.

1924
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:28,220
I don't know if that's going to, you're going to have some type of decorative aluminum fence

1925
02:32:28,220 --> 02:32:31,820
to stop people from sleeping there overnight, things like that.

1926
02:32:31,980 --> 02:32:36,920
But we're going to have to do a dress because it is a lot of space, a lot of usable space.

1927
02:32:37,460 --> 02:32:44,060
And we need to somehow fold that into this schedule of uses and who can use it

1928
02:32:44,060 --> 02:32:48,320
Because that's not really being addressed here because on day one if we open what's it going to be?

1929
02:32:48,480 --> 02:32:49,520
We're going to

1930
02:32:49,520 --> 02:32:55,900
People just wander under there and walk around and hang out like ride your bicycle lean your bicycle up against the wall and

1931
02:32:55,900 --> 02:32:58,080
You know take a a gander at the harbor

1932
02:32:58,980 --> 02:33:00,860
So to address all that

1933
02:33:01,560 --> 02:33:08,380
As a rentable space we want to really let demand drive how we're going to navigate that which is why it's not included here, right?

1934
02:33:08,760 --> 02:33:10,740
We update our annual fee schedule in

1935
02:33:10,740 --> 02:33:12,980
in England, that's why we call it in a free schedule.

1936
02:33:13,560 --> 02:33:16,780
So we can address that every year we can bring back

1937
02:33:16,780 --> 02:33:18,620
any potential changes and we do that, right?

1938
02:33:19,180 --> 02:33:21,780
Well, we have till December, you know,

1939
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:25,180
if everything goes on schedule to maybe before December,

1940
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:28,120
I'd like staff to go back and take a look

1941
02:33:28,120 --> 02:33:30,640
at that usable space and come up with some game planning.

1942
02:33:30,780 --> 02:33:32,360
I don't want to wait till after we open.

1943
02:33:32,740 --> 02:33:35,280
I think, again, if you haven't seen it,

1944
02:33:35,280 --> 02:33:36,380
it is a lot of space.

1945
02:33:36,560 --> 02:33:38,860
We need to figure it out now rather than later.

1946
02:33:39,320 --> 02:33:40,060
And we can do that.

1947
02:33:40,060 --> 02:33:44,520
But to your other question, if we are having an event going on, the

1948
02:33:44,520 --> 02:33:48,500
general public has the ability to go underneath there, if it's not part of an

1949
02:33:48,500 --> 02:33:51,420
event that is going on. Yes, that is one of the reasons we built it, so people

1950
02:33:51,420 --> 02:33:57,020
could get out of the sun underneath there and be able to utilize that facility as

1951
02:33:57,020 --> 02:34:00,700
well. So if it's not being used as part of an event that's rented, then

1952
02:34:00,700 --> 02:34:04,200
absolutely, we want the public to be able to go and utilize that space as well.

1953
02:34:04,400 --> 02:34:09,200
Mr. Constance and Dory, thank you, Mr. Chair, tell me why don't we have half

1954
02:34:09,200 --> 02:34:15,240
rentals. Why don't we have the day broken up a little more? Because I mean, obviously, if

1955
02:34:15,240 --> 02:34:19,400
I know that I'm going to have an event and I need the whole day or even two days, because

1956
02:34:19,400 --> 02:34:25,320
I want to set up the day before, you know, that's fine. You can, but why not have fractions

1957
02:34:25,320 --> 02:34:31,380
of the day? What's the problem? So, for us, when we went back and looked at our average

1958
02:34:31,380 --> 02:34:35,680
uses, if you will, of people that are renting out, the majority of them are pushing beyond

1959
02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:40,440
just a couple hours, right? We do have some meetings to commissioner to say let's point. There are

1960
02:34:40,440 --> 02:34:43,880
there were meetings that were just a couple hours here and there. Traditionally we're renting out

1961
02:34:43,880 --> 02:34:51,200
for longer than that and we went to this. We can slice this cake however you'd like. It just gets into the

1962
02:34:51,200 --> 02:34:57,900
complexities of implementation. Absolutely. If you would like us to provide that, it just gets into

1963
02:34:58,280 --> 02:34:59,980
How many ways do you want us to slice it?

1964
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:07,460
And then we'll build that for you. Well, I mean, I think for some of the smaller rooms, I think, you know, we want to slice it into a brownie tray.

1965
02:35:07,720 --> 02:35:29,140
I mean, I think we need to have a situation where, you know, and we got to get technology. So, I need, I don't need people there. I don't want you using your staff. I want people to go online, be able to reserve a room for a certain amount of time. They get a QR code. They go over. They pop it onto the scanner, the door, the door, unlocks, and they use their room.

1966
02:35:29,140 --> 02:35:41,260
We need to have hands-free, and this is the technology that should be built into this place and I'm sure that's not what's happening, but we need to do that because you're not getting any more FTEs.

1967
02:35:41,340 --> 02:35:46,460
You need to use AI and you need to use technology to do a lot of what the functions are.

1968
02:35:46,620 --> 02:35:50,160
The traditionally you need to get somebody down there, open the doors and do all that stuff.

1969
02:35:50,300 --> 02:35:51,320
No, we don't need that anymore.

1970
02:35:51,320 --> 02:36:01,700
We need to have technology infiltrating this facility so that people are not part of the equation until it's custodial or it's, you know, things that have to get done manually.

1971
02:36:03,280 --> 02:36:14,160
The other part of this is that, and I agree with the chairman, I think that's space underneath, you know, you do rent out pavilions, but you don't have to rent the pavilion.

1972
02:36:14,160 --> 02:36:22,680
You can come and show up, and if nobody else has rented that facility at Harbor Heights or any of your other parks, they just start using it.

1973
02:36:22,920 --> 02:36:22,940
Yes.

1974
02:36:22,940 --> 02:36:26,180
And I think that's exactly what we have to allow for it to speech complex.

1975
02:36:26,500 --> 02:36:33,060
The whole purpose of having it lifted up was, and by the way, those benches and whatever you're going to put down there, they're going to be flooded away.

1976
02:36:33,500 --> 02:36:35,180
Look forward to another flooding event.

1977
02:36:35,460 --> 02:36:43,140
So don't spend a bazillion dollars on those benches, because that's the stuff that unless you can get there two days before and pull it all out,

1978
02:36:43,140 --> 02:36:48,260
hoping that you're going to save it or move it up stairs. I mean you better have your contingency plans ready

1979
02:36:49,420 --> 02:36:56,220
Because but that space is for folks to get out of the sun that that is a great purpose. Yes, the other question that I have for you is

1980
02:36:56,700 --> 02:37:02,940
Those elevators are they piston driven or is there an elevator box on motor on top that's pulling

1981
02:37:02,940 --> 02:37:09,080
No, they're piston driven. I believe okay, so what have we programmed in we did a lot of resiliency for the swimming pool

1982
02:37:09,080 --> 02:37:11,760
What have we put what have we got in place for

1983
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:18,000
locking down, you know, panels over the openings of the elevators.

1984
02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:22,440
So when the six are eight feet of water show up, like they did at Station 10,

1985
02:37:22,700 --> 02:37:27,440
which we still haven't fixed at a time island, all of these elevators need to have

1986
02:37:27,440 --> 02:37:33,620
those panels ready to install, so we can brace for the water elevation and then when it goes away,

1987
02:37:33,840 --> 02:37:38,640
you pull the panels, you throw the power and bam, you have an elevator. As opposed to,

1988
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:43,660
You'll be offline for three or four months until all of that elevator stuff gets taken care of.

1989
02:37:44,040 --> 02:37:44,900
So, where are we with that?

1990
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:46,240
That's a good question off to find out.

1991
02:37:46,500 --> 02:37:47,300
Thank you.

1992
02:37:47,380 --> 02:37:47,760
Thank you, sir.

1993
02:37:47,860 --> 02:37:48,020
Thank you.

1994
02:37:48,320 --> 02:37:50,320
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1995
02:37:50,600 --> 02:37:50,800
Yes.

1996
02:37:50,800 --> 02:37:53,460
As far as the per day numbers, I'm good.

1997
02:37:53,700 --> 02:37:54,260
Okay, just that.

1998
02:37:54,280 --> 02:37:59,000
But I would say the larger space is it might make sense to break that up in half days too.

1999
02:37:59,220 --> 02:37:59,320
Okay.

2000
02:37:59,320 --> 02:38:01,860
You have a half day rate for the larger spaces.

2001
02:38:02,460 --> 02:38:06,920
The smaller ones, the meeting suites in the conference room, quite honestly, you're going

2002
02:38:06,920 --> 02:38:08,280
to get hourly people there.

2003
02:38:08,280 --> 02:38:11,920
So I think we do need that broken down to a per hour as well.

2004
02:38:12,300 --> 02:38:15,400
But you have the full day numbers, Tommy.

2005
02:38:15,720 --> 02:38:16,420
Look, look, Sanchez.

2006
02:38:16,600 --> 02:38:17,640
I mean, I'm good with them.

2007
02:38:17,780 --> 02:38:18,780
But I do think we do.

2008
02:38:18,800 --> 02:38:21,020
And then, of course, under the comments, underneath the building,

2009
02:38:21,560 --> 02:38:22,600
bring that back eventually.

2010
02:38:23,340 --> 02:38:27,860
But so you can comment to people while we're on break in August.

2011
02:38:28,340 --> 02:38:33,160
I think this schedule is fine, except to break it up in the half days

2012
02:38:33,160 --> 02:38:37,780
for the blood spaces and hourly on those two BC and D.

2013
02:38:37,780 --> 02:38:38,540
That's all.

2014
02:38:38,640 --> 02:38:38,740
Yeah.

2015
02:38:38,820 --> 02:38:39,360
I agree with those comments.

2016
02:38:39,560 --> 02:38:41,300
I'm going to show you actually right next there.

2017
02:38:41,780 --> 02:38:42,420
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2018
02:38:43,080 --> 02:38:46,220
I don't need you to tell you how to do your job, tell me about one point out a few things

2019
02:38:46,220 --> 02:38:49,800
to make sure everybody understands when we go to half days, there's going to be turning

2020
02:38:49,800 --> 02:38:50,280
over time.

2021
02:38:50,440 --> 02:38:52,980
They're going to have to clean the room, prep it for the whoever's coming in next.

2022
02:38:53,820 --> 02:38:57,580
So you're going to have to design what that half day actually looks like now because is

2023
02:38:57,580 --> 02:39:01,220
going to start at nine and end at 1130 and then the next person can't come into a one

2024
02:39:01,220 --> 02:39:04,980
clock or you know what kind of flexibility can you have with that.

2025
02:39:04,980 --> 02:39:12,300
The other thing is, is what the bigger rooms, I think it depends on the number of people and what the event is,

2026
02:39:12,560 --> 02:39:16,380
is to whether or not you're going to be able to do two events in a day on some of these bigger rooms.

2027
02:39:17,520 --> 02:39:21,140
We're going to have to provide you some flexibility, but we can provide half day rates.

2028
02:39:21,440 --> 02:39:24,120
The half day rate should be more than half of the full day rate.

2029
02:39:24,580 --> 02:39:27,560
It's got to be more, but to help cover for the turnover and all that kind of stuff.

2030
02:39:28,240 --> 02:39:29,980
Two point which is why we went to the full day.

2031
02:39:30,840 --> 02:39:34,200
I understand that, but I understand where the board sounds like they want to go.

2032
02:39:34,200 --> 02:39:41,620
I don't necessarily agree or disagree. I just know that logistically it's going to be an issue and that you may have to come back to us and say look, this is a work

2033
02:39:42,940 --> 02:39:53,580
Well, and again, if the direction of the board is to provide a half day in a full day, and we can only rent it for a half day and then it has to sit vacant because we didn't have the ability to flip it and find another user

2034
02:39:53,580 --> 02:39:59,920
Then we'll just get the half day rate. We won't get a full day rate, but we can implement anything that you

2035
02:40:01,540 --> 02:40:15,000
I just want to understand that was the rationale specifically why we went to the larger full day. But yeah, we can do it. It will potentially create a position where we're only renting half days, right, instead of potentially getting a full day.

2036
02:40:15,060 --> 02:40:24,580
That's what it needs to be. We need to have a higher number than what we would think for half a day because we're going to lose efficiencies and we're going to lose the ability for full day in certain situations.

2037
02:40:25,060 --> 02:40:29,260
Yeah, it might have to be like a half a day premium or something like that. Yeah, Commissioner Constance and Deutsche.

2038
02:40:29,780 --> 02:40:35,680
Yeah, I agree, you know, I think right. If you cut it in half, it's not a half the amount of money. There's going to be an additional, you know,

2039
02:40:35,860 --> 02:40:38,740
kicker that you've got to work in because of turning it over.

2040
02:40:39,300 --> 02:40:45,580
And then there probably should be a minimum per hour. Don't just divide by eight or whatever the number is for the smaller, you know,

2041
02:40:45,580 --> 02:40:50,640
rooms, B.C. meetings, we teach in a smaller amount of the room D conference, you know, you

2042
02:40:50,640 --> 02:40:54,840
may have to, it may have to still be $50 an hour or something. I don't know what you're,

2043
02:40:55,020 --> 02:40:59,380
you've got to charge what it's costing you. So I, you know, I get and somebody may look and go

2044
02:40:59,380 --> 02:41:02,720
off it's $50 an hour, I guess I'll run it for the whole day. But give them the opportunity

2045
02:41:03,680 --> 02:41:08,800
to apply for at least a fraction and, you know, everybody would be happy with that.

2046
02:41:09,080 --> 02:41:09,560
Thank you.

2047
02:41:09,560 --> 02:41:10,900
Thank you, Mr. George, you recognized.

2048
02:41:11,600 --> 02:41:14,780
Define a day for us.

2049
02:41:15,900 --> 02:41:18,820
Our intention is we will do a day.

2050
02:41:18,960 --> 02:41:21,360
So you can have it from the sun up to the sun down.

2051
02:41:21,380 --> 02:41:23,300
If that's what you want, you can go into the evening.

2052
02:41:23,820 --> 02:41:25,100
There's one hour's in a day.

2053
02:41:25,260 --> 02:41:27,240
We're willing to have any guidelines on it.

2054
02:41:27,440 --> 02:41:30,300
Specifically, if someone wants to have a breakfast,

2055
02:41:30,540 --> 02:41:32,280
they can get in there at 6am.

2056
02:41:34,220 --> 02:41:34,460
No, no.

2057
02:41:34,700 --> 02:41:35,320
To that point, yes.

2058
02:41:35,700 --> 02:41:37,640
So to that, yes, we have the sailing club.

2059
02:41:37,640 --> 02:41:40,700
right they do their we got have done their reggae their sailing we're got

2060
02:41:40,700 --> 02:41:44,340
other in the past they started early right and they did breakfast is part of

2061
02:41:44,340 --> 02:41:47,540
their function we have people that are doing weddings until the middle of the

2062
02:41:47,540 --> 02:41:53,740
night right so we want to be as flexible as we can we really the again we we can

2063
02:41:53,740 --> 02:41:57,560
slice up the rates however we want but yeah we are want to be as amenable as

2064
02:41:57,560 --> 02:42:01,320
accommodating to event producers on whatever they need it to be and if they want

2065
02:42:01,320 --> 02:42:07,020
early great if they want late great then I think you're gonna have to define your

2066
02:42:07,020 --> 02:42:13,940
portions of a day by hours because you're going to have some groups like, you know, like the breakfast coming this week.

2067
02:42:14,700 --> 02:42:21,100
You know, they probably will want to have if the breakfast is going to be 7, 7, 30, they're going to want to have access at 6 am.

2068
02:42:21,640 --> 02:42:26,380
If someone's having a new year's Eve party, they're going to want to go to 1 o'clock in the morning.

2069
02:42:26,820 --> 02:42:33,200
So I think you're going to need some defined guidelines in terms of an hour and then break it up into segments.

2070
02:42:33,740 --> 02:42:38,360
because if someone wants to have a breakfast, this shouldn't be any problem.

2071
02:42:38,520 --> 02:42:43,520
Someone's going to have an afternoon meeting because the breakfast people will be out of there by 10-11 o'clock.

2072
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:46,720
You could have it ready for something at 12-1 o'clock.

2073
02:42:47,340 --> 02:42:52,520
And if there's an afternoon meeting there, and someone wanted to have a dinner there, that could also work.

2074
02:42:53,100 --> 02:43:02,400
So I think my sense is to take an hour span of hours and then break it into segments.

2075
02:43:02,400 --> 02:43:04,880
And then, you know, you can rent by that.

2076
02:43:05,420 --> 02:43:08,940
Now, you have to decide, because I don't know what to recommend,

2077
02:43:10,560 --> 02:43:14,380
is an evening event worth more per hour than a breakfast event.

2078
02:43:14,660 --> 02:43:16,180
I don't know the answer to that.

2079
02:43:16,400 --> 02:43:20,560
But I think you're going to want some equity in terms of the available hours.

2080
02:43:20,900 --> 02:43:24,460
But I'm sure you're going to have people that are going to want to get it in there at 6am.

2081
02:43:25,300 --> 02:43:29,940
And, you know, then we have some other things to do with based on the type of an event.

2082
02:43:29,940 --> 02:43:36,960
How late are you going to let them go? Would you let them go to one or two o'clock on the morning for a wedding?

2083
02:43:37,800 --> 02:43:45,000
Let's say. So I think you've got a little bit more depth again in because you're going to have some unique situations come up.

2084
02:43:46,060 --> 02:43:48,100
So thank you for your comments. I appreciate that.

2085
02:43:48,260 --> 02:43:48,880
Just Chairman Fanny.

2086
02:43:50,220 --> 02:43:53,140
These are our professional recommendations based upon the review of

2087
02:43:53,140 --> 02:43:55,680
of comparables in a three-county area.

2088
02:43:57,220 --> 02:43:58,440
If you don't think this is going to work

2089
02:43:58,440 --> 02:44:00,920
about well for the community, we can just stick with

2090
02:44:00,920 --> 02:44:04,320
an hourly rate that we're charging and just square them up.

2091
02:44:05,360 --> 02:44:06,360
We can make this work.

2092
02:44:06,400 --> 02:44:08,840
I don't want you to think that this is like we're trying to

2093
02:44:08,840 --> 02:44:11,280
shoehorn this in when you ask about like morning or not.

2094
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:14,740
This is why there is a proposed one rate for the day

2095
02:44:14,740 --> 02:44:17,940
to not make it as complicated as it can be.

2096
02:44:18,140 --> 02:44:20,300
When you start adding different layers into it,

2097
02:44:20,480 --> 02:44:22,320
it adds complexities to the users.

2098
02:44:22,960 --> 02:44:27,280
how much they are trying to prepare their budgeting for.

2099
02:44:27,800 --> 02:44:32,060
Oh, if I only do four hours compared to this is the simplistic,

2100
02:44:32,060 --> 02:44:34,180
most professional way of doing it.

2101
02:44:34,180 --> 02:44:38,180
This is the way most event facilities produce their rate schedule is on this.

2102
02:44:38,320 --> 02:44:40,180
It's either on a day rate, on an hourly basis.

2103
02:44:40,360 --> 02:44:42,340
We are recommending a day for the ease of everyone,

2104
02:44:42,740 --> 02:44:44,520
but an hourly can be just as easy.

2105
02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:46,820
I mean, if you would like us to stick hourly,

2106
02:44:47,060 --> 02:44:48,260
100% can do that.

2107
02:44:48,500 --> 02:44:50,180
That's not that difficult for us to do.

2108
02:44:50,180 --> 02:44:59,460
I think you're going to have to have an open mind on it and the reason why is there are certain groups that I'm aware of that at least a half a dozen that have breakfast.

2109
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,520
Then I kind of want to be there in the afternoon. And if you could have someone to do a breakfast, and they're out of there, a ten or eleven, or ten, thirty or eleven, you might be able to have a lunch, and over is in at the same day. And if this is going to be some type of profit center to some degree that it's going to help pay back the cost of the operation, it might be a little bit more staff time. But if you could rent it out for breakfast lunch and supper to three different groups, it's going to financially,

2110
02:45:30,060 --> 02:45:36,380
be a great event of fit to your operation, but obviously requires some staff in clean up time.

2111
02:45:36,780 --> 02:45:41,360
But I think you're going to have to be flexible because if I was running an evening dinner

2112
02:45:41,360 --> 02:45:45,780
or a breakfast in the morning, I really wouldn't want to have to pay for the whole thing all day.

2113
02:45:45,920 --> 02:45:50,820
If I know I'm going to be out of the oven three hours. So I think you might want to take a

2114
02:45:50,820 --> 02:45:56,800
deeper dive and take another look at those possibilities, particularly if you could have two

2115
02:45:56,800 --> 02:46:02,280
three events in a day and make them work and have the staff and make them work that you

2116
02:46:02,280 --> 02:46:07,120
come out of a few bucks I have which I think is part of the goal.

2117
02:46:07,460 --> 02:46:07,800
Thank you sir.

2118
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:08,860
Commissioner Constance.

2119
02:46:09,220 --> 02:46:10,060
Thank you.

2120
02:46:10,240 --> 02:46:14,560
It's time he's your intention for this facility to be open 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

2121
02:46:14,880 --> 02:46:19,160
That's what the renters need and we're willing to meet whatever the community wants us to do.

2122
02:46:19,160 --> 02:46:26,580
Okay, then I guess you just need to define is a day six a.m. to six a.m. or midnight to midnight.

2123
02:46:26,900 --> 02:46:33,440
You know, what what is what is the day and don't answer that now look back at the programming to make it fit.

2124
02:46:33,740 --> 02:46:37,620
I, you know, I would assume nobody's really going to be in there before six a.m. so maybe that's when the day starts.

2125
02:46:38,360 --> 02:46:42,960
And late events that go past midnight aren't going to finish much past one or two.

2126
02:46:42,960 --> 02:46:51,160
So, but I think that's part of the calculus that we need to understand is how are you, how is that being programmed to fit this?

2127
02:46:51,440 --> 02:46:51,500
Okay.

2128
02:46:52,420 --> 02:46:54,120
Just curious, but no, I don't have an issue.

2129
02:46:54,360 --> 02:47:01,180
I think simplicity, because then you've got to have somebody sitting there and figuring this all out unless you want to leave it to an AI bot.

2130
02:47:01,360 --> 02:47:07,100
Well, but to your point earlier of the customer to have the ability to kind of self-do it themselves,

2131
02:47:07,800 --> 02:47:13,100
more layers makes it more difficult and cumbersome for a user to do that and navigate themselves as well.

2132
02:47:14,420 --> 02:47:21,460
And so I'm trying to take as many feevers notes as possible because I've heard a lot of different feedback.

2133
02:47:22,200 --> 02:47:25,520
I don't have a consensus on that.

2134
02:47:25,900 --> 02:47:26,400
Okay, thank you.

2135
02:47:26,620 --> 02:47:31,220
You still have the floor, but was everybody okay with the dynamic pricing?

2136
02:47:32,480 --> 02:47:34,180
Just to put that out there.

2137
02:47:34,180 --> 02:47:36,180
which was a Monday through Thursday, one rate,

2138
02:47:36,280 --> 02:47:38,320
Friday's already Sunday, a different rate.

2139
02:47:39,280 --> 02:47:41,220
That's we, yeah, I mean, I think.

2140
02:47:41,500 --> 02:47:42,060
Yeah, I mean, I think.

2141
02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:42,960
You still have the floor.

2142
02:47:43,860 --> 02:47:47,720
I appreciate the research because this is based on factual stuff,

2143
02:47:47,880 --> 02:47:49,200
not hey, we just pulled this out of the air.

2144
02:47:49,660 --> 02:47:52,920
So that's important there with the basis that all makes sense.

2145
02:47:53,160 --> 02:47:55,040
And I just think you've heard the comments.

2146
02:47:55,120 --> 02:47:56,560
I don't know that I'm ready to vote on this.

2147
02:47:56,660 --> 02:47:58,040
I'd like you to bring, we have time.

2148
02:47:58,780 --> 02:47:59,760
You're like you're going to bring it back,

2149
02:48:00,220 --> 02:48:03,880
but take the comments that have been made and let's try to make.

2150
02:48:03,880 --> 02:48:10,400
But I understand the more complex it is, the more work it is for one or two of your staff

2151
02:48:10,400 --> 02:48:12,540
to kind of keep this all figured out.

2152
02:48:13,560 --> 02:48:17,780
And come back please with some technology options, because I think that's important.

2153
02:48:17,820 --> 02:48:24,480
If there's a way to free up rooms with digital locks as opposed to, you gotta have somebody

2154
02:48:24,480 --> 02:48:30,160
there unless somebody's there 24-7, but that's another story, that's three FTEs that

2155
02:48:30,160 --> 02:48:31,000
have the man in the building.

2156
02:48:32,420 --> 02:48:36,840
It definitely will take more than three F2E2 in the building, but we have not built, you're

2157
02:48:36,840 --> 02:48:38,940
proposing into the model.

2158
02:48:39,680 --> 02:48:44,580
So any of those upgrades or additions to the building are going to have to come as an

2159
02:48:44,580 --> 02:48:48,420
additional technology package, so I don't know that I'll be able to bring that at the next

2160
02:48:48,420 --> 02:48:50,640
time I bring back rates.

2161
02:48:50,640 --> 02:48:51,980
Well, is anybody else bugging that?

2162
02:48:52,040 --> 02:48:56,120
I guess find out if you're not really per se in the event world.

2163
02:48:56,260 --> 02:48:58,280
Again, let's just use the event center as an example.

2164
02:48:58,280 --> 02:49:02,860
When you rent a space at the event center, or you go to an event center, the staff there

2165
02:49:02,860 --> 02:49:03,580
open the doors.

2166
02:49:03,640 --> 02:49:09,460
They make sure that everything from custodial to security, to their doing F&B as well, a food

2167
02:49:09,460 --> 02:49:09,860
and beverage.

2168
02:49:10,260 --> 02:49:13,900
So they're doing all of those pieces, and then when you leave, they lock the door behind you.

2169
02:49:14,260 --> 02:49:17,660
That is the service that's provided because these are event spaces.

2170
02:49:18,080 --> 02:49:20,860
It's not a pavilion where you're just going to have a birthday party.

2171
02:49:21,180 --> 02:49:26,000
You're going in to have a wedding for 500 people that is going to be catered and have a

2172
02:49:26,000 --> 02:49:27,080
sit-down-plated event.

2173
02:49:27,080 --> 02:49:31,040
right so it's a it's a little bit different of a model than some of the things that are

2174
02:49:31,040 --> 02:49:36,340
doing it I mean we have if somebody wants to rent a park space or a pavilion you 100% can

2175
02:49:36,340 --> 02:49:41,820
go online rent that space get your permit and never have to interact with any of our staff right

2176
02:49:41,820 --> 02:49:47,500
but the difference between that and what we're providing at this event facility it's just light

2177
02:49:47,500 --> 02:49:51,920
years apart I'd have to do a whole lot of research to figure out if any other event producing spaces

2178
02:49:51,920 --> 02:49:56,700
doing what you're proposing. I just don't know any of that. So if you have this facility in

2179
02:49:56,700 --> 02:49:59,820
in essence open 24 hours, they said it is weak. At minimum.

2180
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:09,000
You have to have three people, eight hour shifts for the entire week. Somebody, if one person is there, that's three FTEs, just to keep the building open.

2181
02:50:09,500 --> 02:50:17,780
So let me just try to try and clarify that a little bit. We are willing to do I anticipate that we're going to run 24 hours a day, seven days a week, absolutely not.

2182
02:50:18,240 --> 02:50:25,320
But to Commissioner Doge's point, do we have somebody who wants to do a breakfast, and do we have somebody who wants to event till two in the morning? There's a dynamic that goes there.

2183
02:50:25,320 --> 02:50:30,000
We probably, and I know this is a fact, we don't get a lot of 2 AM rentals that are Monday,

2184
02:50:30,280 --> 02:50:31,300
Tuesday, Wednesday, right?

2185
02:50:31,980 --> 02:50:35,240
But that doesn't mean if somebody came in and wanted to do it, that we wouldn't be willing

2186
02:50:35,240 --> 02:50:35,720
to.

2187
02:50:35,780 --> 02:50:39,680
So I don't want you to think that we are preparing and staffing to work 24 hours a day,

2188
02:50:39,780 --> 02:50:40,800
seven days a week, 365.

2189
02:50:41,940 --> 02:50:45,960
We are just willing to work with our customers to meet them on whatever their needs and desires

2190
02:50:45,960 --> 02:50:46,540
are.

2191
02:50:46,940 --> 02:50:52,360
So we're not geared up to do that, but if an event came in and said we want to load in

2192
02:50:52,360 --> 02:50:57,000
for to do a six AM breakfast to be out of it. We're willing to work with our customers very

2193
02:50:57,000 --> 02:51:02,660
good. Thank you. Thank you. I put myself into cue. So, when you did your comparison to the

2194
02:51:02,660 --> 02:51:07,720
other counties to find what a day was, was it limited to like eight hours, whether it was

2195
02:51:07,720 --> 02:51:15,430
started, no matter what time it started, eight hours is considered a day. So, I did as one of the

2196
02:51:15,430 --> 02:51:19,870
attachments attached to comparable benchmarking that we put in there. So, I'm just stalling

2197
02:51:19,870 --> 02:51:23,450
one like go through and look at it. And did your comparables have half day rentals?

2198
02:51:26,410 --> 02:51:26,590
I don't

2199
02:51:26,590 --> 02:51:34,090
believe that I remember half day rentals? Okay. I do believe it's day they're days or some

2200
02:51:34,090 --> 02:51:39,690
had hours. But here's something that had a four hour max so that way they could turn quicker.

2201
02:51:40,770 --> 02:51:44,550
Okay. Because I assume you don't not reinventing the wheel here. All these other event spaces

2202
02:51:44,550 --> 02:51:50,610
that were comparables must have come up against, you know, hourly half day, what's a day?

2203
02:51:52,150 --> 02:51:55,270
And you had mentioned earlier, you have people waiting to lease up.

2204
02:51:55,470 --> 02:51:55,770
Let's correct.

2205
02:51:55,990 --> 02:52:01,890
And I don't want to belabor this thing much longer when we're losing out on rentals,

2206
02:52:02,150 --> 02:52:02,770
getting booked up.

2207
02:52:02,770 --> 02:52:04,050
But I also want to do it correctly.

2208
02:52:04,770 --> 02:52:08,790
I appreciate the advisory board recommending this schedule.

2209
02:52:09,150 --> 02:52:12,110
I don't necessarily disagree with this schedule.

2210
02:52:12,450 --> 02:52:14,210
My only issue, my one big issue,

2211
02:52:14,530 --> 02:52:17,130
is how do we handle the bottom, which you can come back later.

2212
02:52:17,410 --> 02:52:18,990
That's fine on that.

2213
02:52:18,990 --> 02:52:23,650
and the affordability to get to a half a day of somebody is literally meeting for two hours.

2214
02:52:24,170 --> 02:52:28,690
I think you can sell them on a half a day. If that's, you know, what do you consider half a day?

2215
02:52:28,890 --> 02:52:33,650
Well, of 24 hours is a day, then do they get it for 12 day hours? Is that a half a day?

2216
02:52:34,030 --> 02:52:38,130
I see, that's the thing. Those are my only two issues right now.

2217
02:52:38,130 --> 02:52:44,030
is getting to a being able to lease for less than a day

2218
02:52:44,030 --> 02:52:46,150
and how we handle the bottom.

2219
02:52:46,810 --> 02:52:50,630
But we do need to get this back before the board

2220
02:52:50,630 --> 02:52:51,410
as soon as possible.

2221
02:52:51,490 --> 02:52:52,870
So you can start renting up, because we're

2222
02:52:52,870 --> 02:52:55,270
going to be losing out on rentals,

2223
02:52:55,310 --> 02:52:56,190
because we don't have a schedule.

2224
02:52:57,410 --> 02:52:59,930
So we don't have an approved schedule, that is correct.

2225
02:52:59,990 --> 02:53:03,930
So it's hard to lease up unless you take the pause.

2226
02:53:04,070 --> 02:53:06,270
It's pending a final schedule.

2227
02:53:06,270 --> 02:53:16,070
Just to just to reserve. So the people that have been talking to us are unwilling to do that until they know what the rental rates are going to be because they don't want to put a deposit down and

2228
02:53:16,070 --> 02:53:22,950
Work towards a wedding location that we're going to come back in September October and tell them that the rate is different even if

2229
02:53:22,950 --> 02:53:23,690
If they know

2230
02:53:23,690 --> 02:53:26,330
I've watched this or whatever that this is the range

2231
02:53:26,330 --> 02:53:33,250
They that might be a change in excess for them that they've lost months of another venue when when is the soonest are they trying to get in in January?

2232
02:53:33,830 --> 02:53:44,830
We are not looking to start looking in until probably March April is what we're looking at but we have been asked we've had people start asking us as far out as a year in advance

2233
02:53:44,830 --> 02:53:50,950
Which is what we typically will look out as a year out. So this past March and April people seeing it come out of the ground

2234
02:53:50,950 --> 02:53:55,830
wanted to know when they could start renting and we said we won't rent until we have board a proof rate

2235
02:53:55,830 --> 02:54:01,290
Okay, so no one's looking to get in there in January February. We're not. Yeah, we're not there. Okay. Okay. That's good to know

2236
02:54:01,290 --> 02:54:06,690
That's good to know, but I'm okay generally with this proposed fee schedule other than those things that I've already stated,

2237
02:54:06,850 --> 02:54:07,850
Commissioner, you're actually recognized.

2238
02:54:08,810 --> 02:54:10,310
Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I'm going to make a motion.

2239
02:54:10,550 --> 02:54:14,530
I'm going to make a motion that we approve what's in front of us today, and we add modifications to it.

2240
02:54:14,670 --> 02:54:19,210
So anybody who wants to do a day rental now, they can schedule and tie it in.

2241
02:54:19,530 --> 02:54:22,590
And then we'll figure out the half day and the downstairs stuff at a future day.

2242
02:54:22,750 --> 02:54:23,370
Beautiful idea.

2243
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:24,330
Second that.

2244
02:54:24,730 --> 02:54:25,290
Uh, we'll do it.

2245
02:54:25,630 --> 02:54:25,850
Yeah.

2246
02:54:25,850 --> 02:54:33,550
So we have motion to second to accept the proposed fee schedule as outlined to come back with modifications at a later date.

2247
02:54:33,870 --> 02:54:34,850
Is there any further discussion?

2248
02:54:35,610 --> 02:54:37,030
Is there any opposition to the motion?

2249
02:54:38,110 --> 02:54:40,610
Passes four to one with commission to do it in opposition.

2250
02:54:41,230 --> 02:54:41,630
Thank you, Tommy.

2251
02:54:41,990 --> 02:54:42,130
Thank you.

2252
02:54:42,470 --> 02:54:42,770
All right.

2253
02:54:43,050 --> 02:54:45,670
We're going to move on to item five.

2254
02:54:45,670 --> 02:54:48,930
Approved the resolution and lifting the burn ban.

2255
02:54:49,670 --> 02:54:50,870
It's our burn ban's are.

2256
02:54:50,870 --> 02:54:57,310
to Chairman? I think we need to bring Chief Caro up. So he has an easy day in front of the board.

2257
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:04,620
So, so the burn bands are is here today. You're recognized chief to present the charge.

2258
02:55:05,020 --> 02:55:06,960
Yeah. Let's see if we get it this time.

2259
02:55:06,980 --> 02:55:08,580
Let's see if I can get this. Good.

2260
02:55:11,440 --> 02:55:13,560
The chief wakes up every morning and rolls the dice.

2261
02:55:14,320 --> 02:55:16,800
Burn band or no burn band. Burn band or no burn band or no burn band.

2262
02:55:17,760 --> 02:55:20,260
All right. So, what's great about this is the, I'm sorry.

2263
02:55:20,700 --> 02:55:21,740
Chief Mack Ward for the record.

2264
02:55:22,360 --> 02:55:25,960
So, the great part about this is the numbers of keep coming down with all the ring that we have.

2265
02:55:26,100 --> 02:55:27,860
So, we'll, I'll make this quick for you.

2266
02:55:28,100 --> 02:55:30,040
You can obviously stop me at any time.

2267
02:55:30,040 --> 02:55:37,000
currently the average was a red around 4441 at this day today the the KBDI value was actually

2268
02:55:37,000 --> 02:55:42,460
341 this morning so that's a good good number for us as opposed to what it was back then.

2269
02:55:42,860 --> 02:55:49,230
What we heard last time or what Chief Car heard last time and I did on Facebook as I watched it

2270
02:55:49,880 --> 02:55:54,790
was the you wanted more information so this breaks down the information a little bit better for you guys

2271
02:55:54,790 --> 02:56:02,230
or for the board. So you can see how the numbers hold up. Currently we only have one that

2272
02:56:02,230 --> 02:56:08,870
number is not 19 currently. It's only 3% in that 500 range and that's changed from the

2273
02:56:08,870 --> 02:56:15,150
West County to more of an East County area. Then we talk about the affected people from

2274
02:56:15,150 --> 02:56:25,490
drought, 146,000, almost 147,000, and then we talk about the 92%, 30, 31st dry as June and record

2275
02:56:25,490 --> 02:56:29,990
for us, so we know it's been dry in June, we're getting our water back from all the rains currently,

2276
02:56:30,290 --> 02:56:36,290
and then as you see, we're down about two inches from that. So keep going. You'll be fast.

2277
02:56:36,690 --> 02:56:43,650
You're going, okay. All right. As you know, we had a dry dry June and moving into the July,

2278
02:56:43,650 --> 02:56:48,830
we've gotten a lot of rain, not near as much as out west or up north, but we are getting the

2279
02:56:48,830 --> 02:56:53,530
rain that we need. It's going to be hot, obviously. We're looking at that and then burn

2280
02:56:53,530 --> 02:56:58,470
bands. All of the counties around us have lifted their burn bands. De Soda was the last one

2281
02:56:58,470 --> 02:57:05,610
on the lift. There's back in two weeks ago in July 14th. The only county that's nearest us would

2282
02:57:05,610 --> 02:57:11,850
be Hillsborough, which typically stays on a burn band the entire time. So we're looking for you

2283
02:57:11,850 --> 02:57:18,490
to recent the burn ban third times the charm as I think so instead we could go current

2284
02:57:18,490 --> 02:57:24,710
value is 341 today not for 15 so we would like any information on that.

2285
02:57:24,950 --> 02:57:28,870
Thanks sir commissioner dorty although I've only had one at the right in my house in the last

2286
02:57:28,870 --> 02:57:33,730
two weeks I move up for a full resolution second we have motion a second commission to extra

2287
02:57:33,730 --> 02:57:39,490
that okay any further discussion any officers to the motion that passes unanimously the burn

2288
02:57:39,490 --> 02:57:44,530
band is rescinded. Okay, we're moving on to item number six. Thank you chief. Yes. We're

2289
02:57:44,530 --> 02:57:48,690
moving on to item number six. The animal, do you have anything, Hector? I was just going

2290
02:57:48,690 --> 02:57:53,270
to speak on number the next. Okay. Animal welfare league. Item number six, Mr. Floor, as

2291
02:57:53,270 --> 02:58:00,350
you recognize. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Our speaker earlier, Tara from animal welfare

2292
02:58:00,350 --> 02:58:06,170
league kind of touched on it. So I appreciate her comments. The item we did revise it,

2293
02:58:06,170 --> 02:58:09,990
for the change memo added the amendment number one of the agreement.

2294
02:58:10,230 --> 02:58:12,990
We felt it was best just to make sure we formalized the extension.

2295
02:58:13,910 --> 02:58:18,770
That 80 of you all had offered up in our negotiations and discussions with them, so that's

2296
02:58:18,770 --> 02:58:19,650
what that item is.

2297
02:58:19,990 --> 02:58:25,910
Just to add though, we are shooting for a final agreement to you at our September 8th Board meeting.

2298
02:58:26,870 --> 02:58:28,010
I believe we'll get there.

2299
02:58:28,130 --> 02:58:33,430
I know our team just got some of their responses, so they're reviewing that as we speak.

2300
02:58:33,430 --> 02:58:42,490
And it times out right, your other agenda item you adjusted our first budget public hearing will now be Monday, September 14th, that following Monday.

2301
02:58:43,110 --> 02:58:48,750
So right now we've got just the current contract with animal welfare league.

2302
02:58:49,110 --> 02:58:52,910
So any adjustment, I would not want to make going into that final budget public hearing.

2303
02:58:53,290 --> 02:58:59,610
So again, bring it to you as our goal for September 8th. So we're going to appreciate the team and animal welfare league.

2304
02:58:59,610 --> 02:59:03,890
and really the folks that have been doing obviously the heavy lifting on our and I want

2305
02:59:03,890 --> 02:59:09,050
to defer some of that thanks in appreciation to Chief Macaroid and Division Manager Caitlin

2306
02:59:09,050 --> 02:59:13,130
so they've got their work to finalize but that's it, September 8th, so what we're looking

2307
02:59:13,130 --> 02:59:13,430
for.

2308
02:59:13,630 --> 02:59:13,950
Thank you, Sarah.

2309
02:59:14,090 --> 02:59:15,190
Do you have a motion to approve amendment?

2310
02:59:15,630 --> 02:59:16,070
Yes sir.

2311
02:59:16,350 --> 02:59:18,970
We have motion and second to approve the amendment.

2312
02:59:19,130 --> 02:59:19,970
Is there any further discussion?

2313
02:59:20,490 --> 02:59:20,870
Any officers?

2314
02:59:21,090 --> 02:59:21,350
The motion.

2315
02:59:21,810 --> 02:59:22,810
That passes unanimously.

2316
02:59:23,170 --> 02:59:28,510
We're going to move on to item number 7, Charlotte County Sheriff's Office Funding Opportunity.

2317
02:59:28,510 --> 02:59:32,290
Mr. Arthur, you're recognizing that afternoon as of right now.

2318
02:59:32,890 --> 02:59:34,210
Rick Arthur, fiscal services.

2319
02:59:35,150 --> 02:59:39,270
The sheriff has identified an additional funding opportunity, so we're just bringing a resolution

2320
02:59:39,270 --> 02:59:44,330
authorizing the County Administrator to apply for this DOJ grant on behalf of the sheriff.

2321
02:59:44,370 --> 02:59:45,610
Any questions for staff?

2322
02:59:46,030 --> 02:59:46,870
Commissioner Dirty Reckonized.

2323
02:59:46,950 --> 02:59:47,610
Move the resolution.

2324
02:59:48,010 --> 02:59:48,690
We have motion, second.

2325
02:59:48,770 --> 02:59:49,430
Move the resolution.

2326
02:59:49,590 --> 02:59:50,810
Is there any further discussion?

2327
02:59:51,850 --> 02:59:53,650
Is there any opposition to the motion?

2328
02:59:54,190 --> 02:59:55,310
That passes unanimously.

2329
02:59:56,250 --> 02:59:58,130
We're moving on to item number eight.

2330
02:59:58,130 --> 02:59:59,930
set up public hearing to consider proving.

2331
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:06,720
And ordinance to prohibit oversized vehicles parking on the county right of way. Mr. Flores, did you have any comments

2332
03:00:06,720 --> 03:00:13,480
on that, or are you going to present or is it just a set of day?

2333
03:00:13,540 --> 03:00:19,120
I can speak to it. Okay. We have major issues in areas where we have tractor trailers and

2334
03:00:19,120 --> 03:00:23,440
bigger units parking in the right ways where you can't see it around corners. It's a growing

2335
03:00:23,440 --> 03:00:28,860
problem in Charlotte County and public works and legal put together the opportunity to bring

2336
03:00:28,860 --> 03:00:35,020
to close, and I would move approval of, okay, we have motion second to approve the item.

2337
03:00:35,300 --> 03:00:36,940
Is there any further discussion, Commissioner Constance?

2338
03:00:37,680 --> 03:00:41,420
Yeah, I'm appreciative of this, and I agree with the moving forward.

2339
03:00:41,620 --> 03:00:46,500
Also, there's a lot of trucks that are just parking on the street and unloading.

2340
03:00:46,680 --> 03:00:55,340
And so I looked to the sheriff and Chief Deputy to keep doing a good job of citing those

2341
03:00:55,340 --> 03:01:02,520
They just, you know, you've got small roads and you can't see past them and then you're all you have to go over a double yellow line

2342
03:01:02,520 --> 03:01:06,740
It's absolutely illegal to be parking not just in the right away in the street

2343
03:01:06,740 --> 03:01:10,520
And it's around a lot of our industrial facilities a lot of our healthcare facilities

2344
03:01:11,300 --> 03:01:16,740
So we've got to make sure that we've got better enforcement and they they got to show up sort of toward the afternoon

2345
03:01:16,740 --> 03:01:20,880
The trucks are there every single day. It's just got to stop and we got to hit them with big fines

2346
03:01:20,880 --> 03:01:21,660
So thank you.

2347
03:01:21,720 --> 03:01:21,740
Thank you.

2348
03:01:21,740 --> 03:01:22,680
Don't disagree with that.

2349
03:01:22,780 --> 03:01:23,560
Any further discussion?

2350
03:01:24,140 --> 03:01:25,240
Any opposition to the motion?

2351
03:01:25,660 --> 03:01:26,540
That passes unanimously.

2352
03:01:26,840 --> 03:01:30,780
We're going to move on to T1, which is our third quarter budget adjustments, Mr.

2353
03:01:30,780 --> 03:01:32,120
Arthur, you recognize the present?

2354
03:01:33,940 --> 03:01:35,020
Good afternoon, Commissioners.

2355
03:01:35,120 --> 03:01:36,580
We regard their fiscal services.

2356
03:01:37,060 --> 03:01:42,680
As you know, fiscal services monitors the budget on ongoing basis throughout the fiscal year.

2357
03:01:42,860 --> 03:01:50,020
And quarterly, we bring back any necessary adjustments to the board for approval and review.

2358
03:01:50,020 --> 03:01:53,840
And so this is our third quarter budget adjustments for fiscal year 26.

2359
03:01:54,100 --> 03:01:55,160
Any questions for staff?

2360
03:01:55,760 --> 03:01:57,020
I'm going to open this item up to the public.

2361
03:01:57,140 --> 03:01:58,620
Anybody wishing to speak on this item?

2362
03:01:58,820 --> 03:01:59,440
Please come forward.

2363
03:01:59,520 --> 03:02:00,540
You'll have five minutes.

2364
03:02:00,680 --> 03:02:04,620
Anybody from the public wishing to speak on item T1, third quarter budget adjustments?

2365
03:02:05,200 --> 03:02:05,860
Please come forward.

2366
03:02:05,920 --> 03:02:07,340
You'll have five minutes.

2367
03:02:07,740 --> 03:02:08,740
Mr. Chairman, I see him rising.

2368
03:02:09,060 --> 03:02:09,480
Loves the close.

2369
03:02:09,840 --> 03:02:10,120
Public input.

2370
03:02:10,500 --> 03:02:11,500
So we have motion second.

2371
03:02:11,580 --> 03:02:12,340
The close public input.

2372
03:02:12,440 --> 03:02:13,460
Is there any further discussion?

2373
03:02:14,300 --> 03:02:15,360
Is there any opposition to the motion?

2374
03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:16,740
Public input is closed.

2375
03:02:17,140 --> 03:02:18,400
Mr. Chairman, move the resolution.

2376
03:02:18,960 --> 03:02:19,640
We have motion second.

2377
03:02:19,640 --> 03:02:24,640
the move to resolution? Is there any further discussion? Is there any opposition to the motion?

2378
03:02:24,920 --> 03:02:29,040
That passes unanimously. We're going to move on to item T3 conservation, Charlotte, renewal,

2379
03:02:29,340 --> 03:02:30,620
resolution and referendum.

2380
03:02:40,790 --> 03:02:42,870
Good afternoon, commissioners. Tina Powell, Park Sanctuary,

2381
03:02:43,110 --> 03:02:48,570
sources manager. A few weeks back, I came and presented an update on conservation, Charlotte,

2382
03:02:48,930 --> 03:02:54,210
as well as the proposed ballot language for the renewal. And this is our public hearing to

2383
03:02:54,210 --> 03:02:58,070
approve the ballot language and the resolution that puts that on the ballot, the snow

2384
03:02:58,510 --> 03:03:04,430
Any questions for staff? I'm going to open this up to the public for public comment. Anybody from the public wishing to speak on this item

2385
03:03:04,430 --> 03:03:07,270
You will have five minutes, please go forward. State your name for the record

2386
03:03:08,050 --> 03:03:13,730
Anybody wishing to speak on item T3 please come forward. You'll have five minutes. State your name for the record. Mr. Chairman

2387
03:03:13,730 --> 03:03:15,670
Let's see no one rising moved to close public input

2388
03:03:16,150 --> 03:03:20,370
So we have motion motion and a second the close public input is there any further discussion?

2389
03:03:20,870 --> 03:03:22,970
Is there any officers into the motion?

2390
03:03:23,750 --> 03:03:27,350
That passage unanimously public input is closed. Mr. Chairman move the resolution

2391
03:03:27,350 --> 03:03:30,930
We have motion and second to move to resolution, is there any further discussion?

2392
03:03:31,810 --> 03:03:33,210
Is there any opposition to the motion?

2393
03:03:33,690 --> 03:03:34,770
That passes unanimously.

2394
03:03:35,410 --> 03:03:37,850
Gentlemen, we've completed our morning agenda.

2395
03:03:38,050 --> 03:03:41,670
We are in recess, recess, until one PM public input, any subject.

2396
03:03:44,020 --> 03:03:44,380
Thank you.

2397
03:03:44,380 --> 03:03:44,880
Take care.

2398
03:04:16,430 --> 03:04:17,710
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

2399
03:04:17,850 --> 03:04:20,950
Welcome back to the Charlotte County Board of County Commissioners, regular and

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03:04:20,950 --> 03:04:25,890
land use meeting for Tuesday, July 28th, 2026, left the record show, all commissioners

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03:04:25,890 --> 03:04:26,550
are present.

2402
03:04:26,550 --> 03:04:32,770
We have now arrived at our 1 p.m. public input any subject anybody wishing to address the board during

2403
03:04:32,770 --> 03:04:36,370
this portion of the meeting must stay there named for the record remarks on any kind

2404
03:04:36,370 --> 03:04:40,150
of related subject shall be limited to three minutes and shall be addressed to the commission

2405
03:04:40,150 --> 03:04:45,190
as a body and not to individual members it will not be any discussion anybody to speak please

2406
03:04:45,190 --> 03:04:45,690
come forward.

2407
03:04:45,690 --> 03:04:46,470
Station A for the record.

2408
03:05:01,650 --> 03:05:14,330
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. Members of the Commission. My name's Philips Small Wood. I live at 24368, Treasurer Island, Boulevard, and Pirate Harbor. I'm here regarding a matter of importance to the taxpayers of Pirate Harbor.

2409
03:05:15,050 --> 03:05:24,630
The county received permit from Florida Department of Environment and Protections in the U.S. Army Corps engineers some years ago to dredge the entrance channel to our community.

2410
03:05:25,490 --> 03:05:32,310
That gerage project resulted in the less than one fifth of an acre of seagrass loss, despite

2411
03:05:32,310 --> 03:05:38,530
the fact that DEP, Army Corps of Engineers, themselves referred to the seagrass loss as

2412
03:05:38,530 --> 03:05:38,870
medical.

2413
03:05:39,230 --> 03:05:44,250
They still required to count county at the expense of the taxpayers to mitigate the seagrass

2414
03:05:44,250 --> 03:05:49,130
loss by planning and monitoring seagrass and two separate spots out in Charlotte Harbor

2415
03:05:49,130 --> 03:05:54,630
for five years. After five years of monitoring, the county's contractor reported on a

2416
03:05:54,630 --> 03:05:59,070
Seagrass mitigation in the report states that two of the three primary success criteria

2417
03:05:59,070 --> 03:06:04,810
were explicit to have achieved. And a third criteria had been until the mitigation areas

2418
03:06:04,810 --> 03:06:10,550
were destroyed by multiple hurricanes and successive drift algae attacks. However,

2419
03:06:10,810 --> 03:06:19,110
DEP is now certain that the county must begin another attempt to grow Seagrass in the

2420
03:06:19,110 --> 03:06:22,390
means that pirate harbor taxpayers will have to foot the bill.

2421
03:06:22,830 --> 03:06:29,090
The pirate harbor waterways MSB U Advisory Board adopted as the other official position

2422
03:06:29,090 --> 03:06:34,770
of paper that explains a great detail why the FDEP is wrong in its assessment that the

2423
03:06:34,770 --> 03:06:39,830
project failed and provides multiple ways the project can be seen as a success.

2424
03:06:40,370 --> 03:06:45,930
You have heard that DEP and system matter is closed, a simple matter of compliance, but

2425
03:06:45,930 --> 03:06:51,570
The DEP itself failed to comply with its own regulations and writing the permit the way they

2426
03:06:51,570 --> 03:06:51,990
did.

2427
03:06:52,510 --> 03:06:57,330
And this failure is now being leveraged against the county to claim we must spend more money

2428
03:06:57,330 --> 03:06:59,230
on a fraud purpose.

2429
03:06:59,590 --> 03:07:04,970
Specifically, the county projects succeeded in several ways including but not limited to the fact

2430
03:07:04,970 --> 03:07:09,470
that the buffer zones around the Dreds channel grew more than enough cigarettes to meet

2431
03:07:09,470 --> 03:07:10,650
the project demands.

2432
03:07:10,650 --> 03:07:21,310
DEP says that doesn't count, but it's own regulations at Florida Administrative Code 62-330.0104

2433
03:07:21,310 --> 03:07:33,430
Part 3 at 10.3.1 says otherwise, and I at many of my neighbors believe the county should adhere to the position

2434
03:07:33,430 --> 03:07:40,630
asserted by the MSBU Advisory Board, and we urge you to entertain a meeting between

2435
03:07:40,630 --> 03:07:46,290
the advisory board chair and your sales to fully appreciate the accuracy of the position

2436
03:07:46,290 --> 03:07:51,970
paper and to direct staff to cooperate better with the advisory board to say the county

2437
03:07:51,970 --> 03:07:55,970
money by serving the legitimate right to consider the project complete.

2438
03:07:56,910 --> 03:08:01,690
Our position is in the county's best entrance and we should be fully informed about it.

2439
03:08:01,910 --> 03:08:02,450
Thank you.

2440
03:08:02,750 --> 03:08:03,290
Thank you, sir.

2441
03:08:03,550 --> 03:08:05,850
Anybody else wishing to speak please come forward, stage your name for the record.

2442
03:08:05,950 --> 03:08:06,910
You have three minutes.

2443
03:08:29,050 --> 03:08:31,570
But after noon commissioners, my name is Roy Eckler.

2444
03:08:32,410 --> 03:08:33,670
I live in Babcock Ranch.

2445
03:08:34,210 --> 03:08:35,690
I'm with the American Legion Post,

2446
03:08:35,690 --> 03:08:37,710
Babcock Ranch, post-415.

2447
03:08:38,890 --> 03:08:42,130
I'm here today to speak to you all about

2448
03:08:42,130 --> 03:08:45,250
the 31st firehouse, old firehouse.

2449
03:08:46,330 --> 03:08:48,010
As an American Legion member,

2450
03:08:48,550 --> 03:08:49,170
we're brand new.

2451
03:08:49,370 --> 03:08:51,550
We have not been able to start

2452
03:08:51,550 --> 03:08:53,750
and enough money to get opposed.

2453
03:08:54,090 --> 03:08:55,550
With that building sitting out there,

2454
03:08:55,550 --> 03:09:00,870
sitting there for two years without being used, we thought we would come and ask if we could

2455
03:09:00,870 --> 03:09:08,070
have it either with a lease or just take it over. To build out is our American Legion post.

2456
03:09:09,330 --> 03:09:18,310
We asked this state to send it to Auburn and Vanessa Auburn if we could have some money to build it.

2457
03:09:18,350 --> 03:09:23,230
It got as far as the governor's office of governor shot it down due to the fact he's

2458
03:09:23,850 --> 03:09:35,890
make it as budget. So, I have talked to one commissioner here and he did a good job

2459
03:09:35,890 --> 03:09:42,210
of trying to help us. Now, and I have called the Administrators Office, I love messages

2460
03:09:42,210 --> 03:09:48,850
and I've never been returned any call. The other day when I was eating lunch at a restaurant,

2461
03:09:48,850 --> 03:09:55,570
I got a call from real estate stating that we couldn't have it, that they were going to use it for stories.

2462
03:09:56,330 --> 03:09:59,450
In further and further investigation, I found out that.

2463
03:10:00,300 --> 03:10:05,760
The county is deciding to tear it down, build a brand new far-house in that area.

2464
03:10:06,420 --> 03:10:11,780
I don't understand why, because Babcock Ranch is an eye-understand living there.

2465
03:10:12,160 --> 03:10:14,920
There's going to build another new far-house, for sure, the county.

2466
03:10:16,640 --> 03:10:27,460
So, with that being said, I would like to propose that you all, please look into it and let us have it to build out.

2467
03:10:27,460 --> 03:10:31,700
We take care of the veterans there.

2468
03:10:31,800 --> 03:10:35,340
We have supported the veterans there, the H.O.A.,

2469
03:10:35,860 --> 03:10:40,600
and Kitton and Partners has let us use their facilities

2470
03:10:40,600 --> 03:10:41,460
for nothing.

2471
03:10:42,360 --> 03:10:48,770
We can't make money without having a post to do that.

2472
03:10:49,710 --> 03:10:54,030
I have some handouts here for you all.

2473
03:10:54,030 --> 03:11:07,490
I had a, I'm legally blind with low vision and it's four pages long, so when I found that out, I figured I'd better just type it up for you.

2474
03:11:08,150 --> 03:11:13,370
So that is what I would like to propose to the commissioners.

2475
03:11:15,410 --> 03:11:17,730
Thank you, sir. Thank you for your comments. Thank you for your service.

2476
03:11:18,010 --> 03:11:24,370
Thank you. If my information is on the bottom of the, so. Thank you.

2477
03:11:24,370 --> 03:11:25,090
Thank you, sir.

2478
03:11:26,090 --> 03:11:27,590
Ann Bale switch and speak, please come forward.

2479
03:11:35,490 --> 03:11:36,330
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman.

2480
03:11:36,490 --> 03:11:37,070
Members of the Board.

2481
03:11:37,110 --> 03:11:38,150
My name is John Schwind.

2482
03:11:38,490 --> 03:11:43,470
I'm the Chairman of the Pirate Harbor Waterway MSBU Advisory Board.

2483
03:11:44,170 --> 03:11:48,130
I come to you with over 30 years of experience as an expert in environmental protection,

2484
03:11:48,290 --> 03:11:51,210
working both for the government and for the private sector.

2485
03:11:51,650 --> 03:11:56,630
I'm also a proud member of a bunch of neighborhood volunteers who love and are committed

2486
03:11:56,630 --> 03:11:58,670
to taking care of the environment.

2487
03:11:58,670 --> 03:12:04,270
Our neighbors, in just the last two years, have planted hundreds of mangroves to try to salvage

2488
03:12:04,270 --> 03:12:06,470
two small islands damaged in the hurricane.

2489
03:12:07,410 --> 03:12:12,030
We also have carried hundreds of buckets of five tons worth of oyster shells in our

2490
03:12:12,030 --> 03:12:17,190
boats, out to a spot working with the Charlotte Harbor Aquatic Preserve to try to restore

2491
03:12:17,190 --> 03:12:18,210
an oyster reef.

2492
03:12:18,550 --> 03:12:21,270
We are a committed bunch of people to the environment.

2493
03:12:22,130 --> 03:12:27,570
Interestingly enough, a project we also advocated for seven or eight years ago was the

2494
03:12:27,570 --> 03:12:29,190
of our interest channel.

2495
03:12:29,610 --> 03:12:31,890
Seagrass is being damaged by boats going out,

2496
03:12:32,070 --> 03:12:35,490
so realigning it, cutting it deeper with minimize that damage.

2497
03:12:36,130 --> 03:12:40,030
The progress was a project was a mitigation in and of itself.

2498
03:12:40,670 --> 03:12:44,170
Nonetheless, we required to grow Seagrass to replace what was damaged in the

2499
03:12:44,170 --> 03:12:44,770
dredge.

2500
03:12:45,410 --> 03:12:49,690
A controversy has a risen regarding the Florida Department of Environmental

2501
03:12:49,690 --> 03:12:54,290
Protections view that they can disregard the results of our Seagrass

2502
03:12:54,290 --> 03:12:55,350
mitigation project.

2503
03:12:56,590 --> 03:13:00,650
FDEP seeks to force the county to spend more money on another project.

2504
03:13:00,910 --> 03:13:07,210
Our advisory board has taken a well-researched position, which I had sent you once before,

2505
03:13:07,310 --> 03:13:12,570
but I made copies to get it to you again, on why we need not spend this money again.

2506
03:13:13,250 --> 03:13:18,550
Florida DEP is not even abiding by its own regulations when it asserts more must be done.

2507
03:13:18,550 --> 03:13:25,490
I'm here today, I apologize only because our attempts to help the county in this matter

2508
03:13:25,490 --> 03:13:32,110
have been obfuscated. It seems like county staff are trying to ignore us into submission.

2509
03:13:33,010 --> 03:13:39,410
They want to use our MSBUs funds for a different project with FDEP's blessing.

2510
03:13:43,040 --> 03:13:43,880
We've tried

2511
03:13:43,880 --> 03:13:49,640
hard to support the county and we've asked for support from staff and we don't get any help.

2512
03:13:49,640 --> 03:13:55,640
ignored. Some examples. We asked to be involved in the budget process for MSBUs. We got no answer.

2513
03:13:56,280 --> 03:14:01,900
By the time we followed up, said, hey, where's that invitation? How can we discuss the budget?

2514
03:14:01,940 --> 03:14:07,520
They said, oh, you're too late. You don't get to participate. Another example, the Cgrass project I mentioned

2515
03:14:08,880 --> 03:14:16,040
was completed in 2024. There are charges to our budget in 2025 and 2026 for Cgrass mitigation.

2516
03:14:16,040 --> 03:14:21,140
But that project ended two years ago, we asked for detailed information as to why we're still being charged.

2517
03:14:22,140 --> 03:14:22,580
No answer.

2518
03:14:23,560 --> 03:14:28,180
We were promised we would be invited to the next agency meeting on the status of this Cgrass project.

2519
03:14:28,780 --> 03:14:33,260
Department leadership purposely excluded us from the meeting we had been promised we would attend

2520
03:14:33,260 --> 03:14:36,200
and never bothered even tell us it was happening.

2521
03:14:37,060 --> 03:14:38,840
We just simply asked you to be involved.

2522
03:14:39,040 --> 03:14:39,560
Thank you.

2523
03:14:39,740 --> 03:14:40,080
Thank you.

2524
03:14:40,080 --> 03:14:40,320
Thank you.

2525
03:14:40,680 --> 03:14:45,120
Thank you.

2526
03:14:45,120 --> 03:14:45,960
Thank you.

2527
03:14:47,040 --> 03:14:48,380
Anybody else wishing to speak please come forward.

2528
03:14:48,460 --> 03:14:48,980
You'll have three minutes.

2529
03:14:49,160 --> 03:14:49,880
State your name for the record.

2530
03:15:04,340 --> 03:15:23,080
We'll get afternoon commissioners. I'd like to thank the last two speakers. I can imagine you not getting a return call from staff. Imagine this county because I offered to be the lobbyist for free to Charlotte County for one year for free.

2531
03:15:24,770 --> 03:15:31,970
And earlier today we heard seeing that come up here and speak after me.

2532
03:15:31,970 --> 03:15:38,010
Now I just want to make some things real clear here to everybody today.

2533
03:15:39,150 --> 03:15:39,800
Look at this.

2534
03:15:42,670 --> 03:15:46,130
That was April 14th, two years ago, everybody.

2535
03:15:48,660 --> 03:15:51,480
Just look at this football field.

2536
03:15:53,320 --> 03:15:55,140
Look at that filamentous algae.

2537
03:15:56,440 --> 03:16:04,240
Now, this isn't from septic tank runoff or agricultural runoff, no,

2538
03:16:07,480 --> 03:16:09,240
this is from the phosphate

2539
03:16:09,240 --> 03:16:10,380
mining industry,

2540
03:16:13,220 --> 03:16:14,760
let's mosaic on everybody,

2541
03:16:20,740 --> 03:16:24,060
mosaic for it made, on the opposite side

2542
03:16:24,060 --> 03:16:29,280
of the piece river, poisoning and polluting shell creek,

2543
03:16:31,520 --> 03:16:33,180
now I'm not going to sit up here

2544
03:16:33,180 --> 03:16:39,300
any more in here, see, nap, or anybody come up here to give us all a massage.

2545
03:16:40,980 --> 03:16:42,220
We don't want to hear it anymore.

2546
03:16:42,260 --> 03:16:49,500
I don't want to see you guys giving any money to any more 501 seas, any who say they're

2547
03:16:49,500 --> 03:16:54,880
protecting the water, because they're not protecting the water.

2548
03:16:55,920 --> 03:17:04,920
We had Dr. Richard Whitman here two years ago, and what did Dr. Richard Whitman tell the

2549
03:17:04,920 --> 03:17:09,980
Charlotte County Legislative delegation, Commissioner Constance, and Truex, and to

2550
03:17:09,980 --> 03:17:18,220
sale? Remember he said the piece river is dying. Dying. Attorney Tom,

2551
03:17:20,870 --> 03:17:21,430
you know, I kind

2552
03:17:21,430 --> 03:17:23,770
miss. Hello, Miss Janet.

2553
03:17:26,240 --> 03:17:28,680
She's sure it made it a little easier to look at the diet.

2554
03:17:32,650 --> 03:17:40,200
But she doesn't feel like that personally. Please don't. I got to tell you guys.

2555
03:17:42,000 --> 03:17:44,300
You've been complicit in letting the river die.

2556
03:17:46,980 --> 03:17:48,940
I don't care what the guys at Tallahassee

2557
03:17:48,940 --> 03:17:56,100
want to tell you chair when you get up there. You tell them this is our harbor. This is my home.

2558
03:17:56,100 --> 03:18:04,000
my children my future legacies home and we want this harbor and this river we want it

2559
03:18:04,540 --> 03:18:08,440
restored. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you.

2560
03:18:08,640 --> 03:18:11,900
Anybody else wishing to speak on any kind of related matter? Please come forward. You'll have

2561
03:18:11,900 --> 03:18:16,680
three minutes to take your name for the record. This isn't land use. This is for any other

2562
03:18:16,680 --> 03:18:19,720
related matter, but you can still speak.

2563
03:18:25,820 --> 03:18:30,500
Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Richard Little County resident. My issue today is

2564
03:18:30,500 --> 03:18:33,240
I'm busy doing my own investigation

2565
03:18:33,240 --> 03:18:34,860
on the former Inspector General.

2566
03:18:35,580 --> 03:18:39,200
And in the process, I arranged to meet with public quirks.

2567
03:18:39,620 --> 03:18:42,860
And I was afforded 30 minutes for that meeting,

2568
03:18:43,120 --> 03:18:46,220
of which the first five we waited for an attorney

2569
03:18:46,220 --> 03:18:47,860
to zoom in on that meeting.

2570
03:18:49,080 --> 03:18:52,380
Once that attorney got there, that attorney interrupted

2571
03:18:52,380 --> 03:18:56,760
no less than three times, taking up a majority

2572
03:18:56,760 --> 03:18:58,220
of my 30 minutes.

2573
03:18:58,220 --> 03:19:04,660
And for whatever reason, that attorney decided it was appropriate to provide me legal counsel.

2574
03:19:05,700 --> 03:19:07,540
That legal counsel went something like this.

2575
03:19:08,460 --> 03:19:14,720
I advise you to put your questions in writing and submit those two community development.

2576
03:19:16,400 --> 03:19:20,920
In order to obtain a consistent answer from the county,

2577
03:19:21,940 --> 03:19:24,480
I'm not interested in a consistent answer from the county.

2578
03:19:24,480 --> 03:19:33,960
What I'm looking for is the truth from the county as an investigator how you go about doing that as you ask that same question from several sources

2579
03:19:34,480 --> 03:19:36,720
You then compare those answers

2580
03:19:37,320 --> 03:19:44,680
And if they're consistent then you probably have the truth when they're inconsistent. That's the thread you follow to find the truth

2581
03:19:46,280 --> 03:19:53,060
Thank you. Thank you sir. Thank you for your comments anybody else watching speak please come forward station a for the record you'll have three minutes on any kind of related matter

2582
03:20:10,190 --> 03:20:16,270
Good afternoon. My name is Samuel Turpinning for the record. I am standing here holding a campaign

2583
03:20:16,270 --> 03:20:22,710
mailer from Vanessa Oliver. She is actively blasting mailing our community claiming she is fighting

2584
03:20:22,710 --> 03:20:30,350
the newest threat to parental rights and targeting digital A.I. pedophiles. It is incredibly convenient to

2585
03:20:30,350 --> 03:20:35,850
lecture the public about artificial machines and threats on a piece of paper. But let's bring

2586
03:20:35,850 --> 03:20:41,730
some raw, unfiltered common sense to this dyes. The deepest threat to our children is in

2587
03:20:41,730 --> 03:20:48,150
a digital ghost. It is a total collapse of operational accountability inside our actual

2588
03:20:48,150 --> 03:20:54,510
physical institutions right here in Charlotte County. The State of Florida officially

2589
03:20:54,510 --> 03:21:00,610
ranks third in the nation for human trafficking, and our own local soil is classified as

2590
03:21:00,610 --> 03:21:07,730
prime geographical transit corridor and hotspot for exploitation between Miami and Tampa.

2591
03:21:08,310 --> 03:21:14,470
Yawaya politicians use soft national headlines to hunt for boats. Our local systems are dealing

2592
03:21:14,470 --> 03:21:20,750
with systematic real-world exploitation cover-ups. Let's look right under this roof with

2593
03:21:20,750 --> 03:21:27,030
commissioner-crints' constants. When thousands of explicit photos are uncovered on a county

2594
03:21:27,030 --> 03:21:33,610
issued government laptop outside Council investigated and found a clear policy violation.

2595
03:21:34,270 --> 03:21:36,150
But what did this commission do?

2596
03:21:36,650 --> 03:21:41,790
You chose to overrule those findings to declare them no-lamboyant and sweep it entirely

2597
03:21:41,790 --> 03:21:42,650
under the rug.

2598
03:21:43,050 --> 03:21:48,150
How can regular citizens have faith in the rules when high ranking officials get a pass

2599
03:21:48,150 --> 03:21:50,910
for explicit material on public property?

2600
03:21:51,250 --> 03:21:56,690
You send a message to every resident that if you hope power, the laws do not apply to you.

2601
03:21:56,690 --> 03:22:01,670
Now, let's look at our school board where the states involve our children.

2602
03:22:02,130 --> 03:22:07,990
We have seen horrific arrest of educators in this county for sexual misconduct and child abuse.

2603
03:22:08,530 --> 03:22:14,810
I am not standing here accusing school board member Kim Amantry of intentionally protecting

2604
03:22:14,810 --> 03:22:21,830
them, but she has a non-negotiable statutory responsibility to safeguard our students.

2605
03:22:21,830 --> 03:22:23,650
Where was the oversight?

2606
03:22:24,010 --> 03:22:28,790
What systematic betting flaws allow these individuals near our kids?

2607
03:22:29,170 --> 03:22:37,270
Being a public official isn't about ribbon cutting, symbolic hunting, resolutions, or sending out flashy mallers about AI.

2608
03:22:37,690 --> 03:22:40,230
If you hold the seat, you hold the responsibility.

2609
03:22:40,810 --> 03:22:45,350
We are tired of the double standards in bureaucracy and their shrugs.

2610
03:22:45,590 --> 03:22:50,390
We expect our leaders to act as a show for the public, not a show for each other.

2611
03:22:50,390 --> 03:23:00,710
Do your jobs and protect the most innocent the most innocent amongst us our children and God help us do that God bless you

2612
03:23:01,450 --> 03:23:05,990
Thanks for your comments, sir anybody else wish in the speak please come forward station any for the record. You'll have three minutes

2613
03:23:20,510 --> 03:23:22,390
Good afternoon. Good afternoon

2614
03:23:22,390 --> 03:23:28,170
I'm going to read to you an email that was sent from Gary Bang. Just name for the record, man

2615
03:23:28,170 --> 03:23:31,310
Name for the record. My name is Susie Dittle. Thank you

2616
03:23:32,510 --> 03:23:45,150
this email was in October 30th, 2025 to Laura Rossi. There was no subject. Laura, I needed a date too. This is in regards to water side. I'm sorry.

2617
03:23:46,150 --> 03:23:55,430
So we're going to, we'll pause your time for a minute. We can take that under consideration when we open that land use item up. This is for public input any counter related matter.

2618
03:23:55,430 --> 03:24:02,230
So, we're not supposed to consider any comments on land use at this stage of the meeting.

2619
03:24:02,770 --> 03:24:08,550
I know, but you can say it. You can say what you want and then if you want to repeat it again, you can come back on the land use.

2620
03:24:08,550 --> 03:24:10,950
I don't have, I'm going to read something else.

2621
03:24:11,050 --> 03:24:12,090
Okay. That's fine. Okay.

2622
03:24:12,170 --> 03:24:12,590
So, yeah.

2623
03:24:12,810 --> 03:24:13,790
I want to make sure you understood.

2624
03:24:14,030 --> 03:24:14,210
Right.

2625
03:24:14,450 --> 03:24:16,550
Okay. We're going to resume your time when you start talking.

2626
03:24:18,610 --> 03:24:20,910
So, Gary Bains is to Laura.

2627
03:24:21,130 --> 03:24:23,290
I need an update to this TIS.

2628
03:24:23,290 --> 03:24:29,810
So it needs to reflect the worst-case condition, which is an excavation and the in-back

2629
03:24:29,810 --> 03:24:37,870
filling it with mulch and compost. So the truck count has changed. However, we are only going 13 feet

2630
03:24:37,870 --> 03:24:45,710
deep now and we're filling the rest. This would be the worst-case scenario. The other case is we leave it as a lake.

2631
03:24:48,960 --> 03:24:54,940
And do not backfill it. But we do backfill the berms around the perimeter of the site.

2632
03:24:54,940 --> 03:24:59,760
more likely that this is going to be what happens.

2633
03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:05,720
Do you need a cubic yard of both scenarios? Gary Bain?

2634
03:25:06,580 --> 03:25:11,340
Thank you for your comments, ma'am. Anybody else wishing to speak please come forward, state your name for the record? You'll have three minutes.

2635
03:25:29,640 --> 03:25:41,040
Mr. Chairman and commissioners, good afternoon. My name is Dwight Dean. I live in Prairie Creek Park in some 170 residential property owners in our community.

2636
03:25:41,040 --> 03:25:45,660
pre-creek park is less than two and a half miles from a proposed

2637
03:25:45,660 --> 03:25:50,520
mine site known as water side. Shortly you'll be presented important

2638
03:25:50,520 --> 03:25:53,640
detailed information regarding the application for water side,

2639
03:25:53,820 --> 03:25:58,560
which we trust you'll carefully examine. My point is to suggest broader

2640
03:25:58,560 --> 03:26:04,520
context to consider this application. We residents chose this community to

2641
03:26:04,520 --> 03:26:09,420
invest our resources to build our homes, families, and enjoy living on

2642
03:26:09,420 --> 03:26:16,000
with a distinctive rural character. While we welcome a diverse variety of activities that fit

2643
03:26:16,000 --> 03:26:24,000
naturally within this definition, it would never include sand mining. As you can infer from the

2644
03:26:24,000 --> 03:26:30,160
size and the volume of the public expression that will gather here today, it simply does not fit.

2645
03:26:31,120 --> 03:26:37,820
Each day we see many real changes taking place as Florida's population grows.

2646
03:26:37,820 --> 03:26:45,480
Since it says that just under 2 million people moved to Florida between 2020 and 2025, historic

2647
03:26:45,480 --> 03:26:52,500
growth, second only to Texas, Charlotte's population grew 20% in the same period.

2648
03:26:53,440 --> 03:26:59,900
While these data always lag behind the reality, Charlotte County residents already see an

2649
03:26:59,900 --> 03:27:06,560
impact, some very good for our economy, more real estate clients, more shoppers, more hungry

2650
03:27:06,560 --> 03:27:13,440
patrons in restaurants. Yet, some stressing are familiar infrastructure, more cars and traffic,

2651
03:27:13,880 --> 03:27:19,980
more patients visiting healthcare providers, greater demands for public services, and while you

2652
03:27:19,980 --> 03:27:26,520
won't see a big change when you drive home tonight, this quiet, subtle, and irreversible trend

2653
03:27:26,520 --> 03:27:32,960
is building stress on existing infrastructures, such as our roads and transportation grid.

2654
03:27:32,960 --> 03:27:40,160
You, better than we, understand the difficult decisions necessary when this population growth exceeds

2655
03:27:40,160 --> 03:27:43,600
existing capacities of our local infrastructure.

2656
03:27:44,480 --> 03:27:50,680
You know how more traffic, in particular those large trucks hauling large, heavy loads,

2657
03:27:51,240 --> 03:27:56,720
as conceived by this application, inflates and exaggerates our present pattern of growth,

2658
03:27:56,720 --> 03:28:05,420
and will require even more frequent updates and upgrades of critical transportation corridors, like Burmont and Duncan Rhodes.

2659
03:28:05,960 --> 03:28:07,320
This is just common sense.

2660
03:28:08,180 --> 03:28:13,800
These are the critical priorities we're focused on as you consider this water side application.

2661
03:28:14,620 --> 03:28:22,720
We are here to support you as you seek this critical balance and ask you to avoid the intrusive and disruptive nature

2662
03:28:22,720 --> 03:28:29,280
this application wishes to impose upon our community as all of us deal with many other remarkable

2663
03:28:29,280 --> 03:28:34,280
changes driven by our recent and anticipated population growth.

2664
03:28:34,540 --> 03:28:34,860
Thank you, sir.

2665
03:28:35,160 --> 03:28:35,260
Thank you.

2666
03:28:35,560 --> 03:28:36,180
Thank you.

2667
03:28:36,180 --> 03:28:38,500
Annabelle's question to speak on any county subject.

2668
03:28:38,560 --> 03:28:39,980
Please come forward, station name for the record.

2669
03:28:40,100 --> 03:28:41,060
You'll have three minutes.

2670
03:28:45,300 --> 03:28:50,180
Again, if it's a land use comment, we have land use next at 2 p.m.

2671
03:28:51,620 --> 03:28:51,640
Hello.

2672
03:28:52,060 --> 03:28:53,500
I'm Melanie from Pared Outreach.

2673
03:28:53,600 --> 03:28:54,900
We've met a bunch.

2674
03:28:55,980 --> 03:29:01,960
So, I spoke to Mr. Constance. He was the one that actually called you back, which I appreciate. Thank you.

2675
03:29:02,640 --> 03:29:07,800
We're still haven't gotten anywhere, so he did give me advice on to tell you guys what we're spending.

2676
03:29:07,980 --> 03:29:11,680
So you guys all have got our 990s this morning, or we'll get them today.

2677
03:29:12,100 --> 03:29:16,100
Our 990s for the last four years, and so you guys can see the difference in what we spend.

2678
03:29:16,500 --> 03:29:19,460
We're from Pared Outreach Society, the 501C39 profit.

2679
03:29:19,460 --> 03:29:23,740
that, you know, we've been here, we're struggling to keep our facility open, we're paying

2680
03:29:23,740 --> 03:29:27,260
some of the $900 a month and rent, we're asking for your assistance.

2681
03:29:27,820 --> 03:29:32,000
You know, we were able to pull the surplus list of properties that Charlie County uses that are empty

2682
03:29:32,000 --> 03:29:33,840
or not being used or being used for storage.

2683
03:29:34,360 --> 03:29:35,000
It's immense.

2684
03:29:35,460 --> 03:29:40,160
So I don't, I'm having a very hard time understanding why no one can even look at it

2685
03:29:40,160 --> 03:29:41,800
and, you know, sit down and talk to us.

2686
03:29:42,000 --> 03:29:46,480
I've left at least 20 messages for Mr. Flores to give me a call I've never heard from him.

2687
03:29:46,480 --> 03:29:53,290
I've spoken to Melissa and Amanda, I think, are your assistants a hundred times and they tell me you'll call me, but I've never heard from you

2688
03:29:54,320 --> 03:29:59,960
Again, Mr. Constance was the one that did give me a call and I looked into some of the things that you know

2689
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,780
We discussed, like, talking to farms, seeing if we could move our birds somewhere else. The problem is we have almost 300 birds. We would have to space them out. We only have 220 volunteers. How do we keep them fed? How do we keep them clean? How do we, you know, they have to be in one location. We're paying, you know, moving them all over the place doesn't work. We, you know, we've never asked the county for anything. You guys have to understand. We've been here 17 years, 17 years. We've taken care of the birds of this county and that for you guys to believe that there isn't a need. It's crazy.

2690
03:30:30,860 --> 03:30:33,940
Birds carry disease that we keep controlled for the county.

2691
03:30:34,740 --> 03:30:40,200
We just took in 21 birds from one resident in Charlotte County seven days ago.

2692
03:30:40,700 --> 03:30:47,380
This is what we do and you guys don't know that there's fallen because we've been able to maintain it for 17 years without any help.

2693
03:30:47,780 --> 03:30:48,920
But we can't do that anymore.

2694
03:30:50,200 --> 03:30:52,340
We're not asking you guys to give us money.

2695
03:30:52,440 --> 03:30:56,560
We're asking for us for you guys to help us with the building and let us pay the annual rent.

2696
03:30:56,560 --> 03:31:02,560
Or help us pay our bet, maybe not all of it, but it's a discussion of some sort as to how we move forward.

2697
03:31:03,020 --> 03:31:06,700
We have an 8,000 square foot facility and we can barely move inside of it.

2698
03:31:07,380 --> 03:31:14,340
I've invited all of you to come visit, come look at what we do. This isn't just like, you know, a tiny pet shop.

2699
03:31:14,520 --> 03:31:18,340
We are 501c3, no one gets paid to be there. We are volunteer based only.

2700
03:31:18,820 --> 03:31:23,660
You know, when I spoke to the fire chief, he told me if we started to use the nice birds, we could move into a smaller facility.

2701
03:31:23,660 --> 03:31:30,900
That doesn't help the problem, there are still at least 120,000 birds living in homes inside of Charlotte County.

2702
03:31:32,160 --> 03:31:33,640
Whether you believe that or not, there are.

2703
03:31:33,700 --> 03:31:34,420
We've done statistics.

2704
03:31:34,620 --> 03:31:35,000
We've looked.

2705
03:31:35,200 --> 03:31:37,600
We've talked to veterinarian clinics all over Charlotte County.

2706
03:31:37,900 --> 03:31:39,180
People don't house one bird.

2707
03:31:39,740 --> 03:31:42,200
I personally have 50 birds at home in Lee County.

2708
03:31:44,100 --> 03:31:45,480
People don't house one.

2709
03:31:45,620 --> 03:31:47,460
They house a lot more than that.

2710
03:31:47,820 --> 03:31:51,360
And Charlotte County does not have a breeding policy for anyone.

2711
03:31:52,200 --> 03:31:53,240
So thank you.

2712
03:31:53,240 --> 03:31:57,480
Thank you for your comments. Anybody else wishing to speak? Please come forward. Yeah, you'll have three minutes.

2713
03:31:57,680 --> 03:31:58,500
State your name for the record.

2714
03:32:02,540 --> 03:32:04,140
Again, if it's on land use.

2715
03:32:04,540 --> 03:32:07,260
First of all, gentlemen. Yeah. Thank you for having me here.

2716
03:32:07,480 --> 03:32:11,520
Name for the record. My name is Walter Belfse, B. L. T. Z.

2717
03:32:12,280 --> 03:32:19,300
I'll reside at Rotunda West. I live. I was in Illinois, Southern Illinois.

2718
03:32:20,160 --> 03:32:24,820
If you know where that's at, I live in North and Carbondil, and when I think

2719
03:32:26,720 --> 03:32:33,280
and I was drafted in 1966 in the Vietnam era.

2720
03:32:34,660 --> 03:32:36,360
I went to a Y school field barracks.

2721
03:32:36,540 --> 03:32:39,040
We replaced the 25th division.

2722
03:32:39,680 --> 03:32:40,960
They went to Vietnam.

2723
03:32:43,560 --> 03:32:44,480
And I went to Thailand.

2724
03:32:44,680 --> 03:32:45,600
I was a death sergeant.

2725
03:32:45,640 --> 03:32:46,400
They were a policeman.

2726
03:32:47,240 --> 03:32:49,140
We brought bombs in and bomb Vietnam.

2727
03:32:50,260 --> 03:32:50,980
On B-52.

2728
03:32:54,310 --> 03:32:58,550
And my career, my qualifications, I was at the

2729
03:32:58,550 --> 03:33:02,470
only state trooper in the military place in

2730
03:33:02,470 --> 03:33:04,170
this arch, and I was at the DAPI U.S.

2731
03:33:04,230 --> 03:33:08,110
Marshall. I worked as a court security office

2732
03:33:08,110 --> 03:33:10,610
like these people here. I was a federal

2733
03:33:10,610 --> 03:33:15,970
court officer. And I've seen a lot of things in my life.

2734
03:33:16,110 --> 03:33:19,430
I'm always going to meet my right of book. I have

2735
03:33:19,430 --> 03:33:26,670
long death. But anyway, you get back my point. We have a tap of day rays on

2736
03:33:26,670 --> 03:33:36,390
Eljo mean in the springtime or spring. The traffic is horrendous and I was a

2737
03:33:36,390 --> 03:33:40,470
board member. I was a high school board member seven years and I was a

2738
03:33:40,470 --> 03:33:46,590
president for it and I'm leaving safety and I know you're worried about money

2739
03:33:46,590 --> 03:33:52,450
It may be building overpass, you know what, a life is more important.

2740
03:33:53,610 --> 03:34:01,590
You need to build an overpass, and getting back to be a boarder, and our superintendent

2741
03:34:01,590 --> 03:34:10,290
would go and check out grants, the law of grants and they paid partial, the law of grants

2742
03:34:10,290 --> 03:34:13,210
if you investigate, I guess you're the board president?

2743
03:34:15,190 --> 03:34:15,370
No.

2744
03:34:15,370 --> 03:34:16,470
I'm not the president.

2745
03:34:17,570 --> 03:34:18,550
Don't you wish you were?

2746
03:34:19,650 --> 03:34:20,930
Anyway, Joe.

2747
03:34:23,940 --> 03:34:32,740
In 2025, we had 12 troops hit by semi-grivers, grunks out of 12.

2748
03:34:32,740 --> 03:34:34,060
Eight troops was died.

2749
03:34:39,510 --> 03:34:41,950
And one of them was from by home, now in Picneyville.

2750
03:34:42,310 --> 03:34:44,270
He was 25 years old.

2751
03:34:44,710 --> 03:34:47,010
He had three years on the job.

2752
03:34:47,010 --> 03:34:52,010
had a kid for a child for and one-two.

2753
03:34:52,630 --> 03:34:56,990
Well, this person died that killed my drunk.

2754
03:34:57,770 --> 03:34:59,070
And over him.

2755
03:34:59,330 --> 03:34:59,970
And here's a guy there.

2756
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:09,520
We have a very lovely, lost two children versus wife. Anyway, I was a Deputy U.S. Marshal and Federal Courthouse. Hang on.

2757
03:35:10,020 --> 03:35:12,780
No, that, it's not, no, it's, it's three minutes.

2758
03:35:12,800 --> 03:35:14,960
I was the board president. I understand the agenda.

2759
03:35:15,280 --> 03:35:17,480
It's, yeah, it's three minutes, sir. Thank you.

2760
03:35:17,600 --> 03:35:17,720
Thank you, sir.

2761
03:35:17,940 --> 03:35:18,600
Thank you, sir.

2762
03:35:18,600 --> 03:35:21,300
Well, what I'm saying is we need to protection.

2763
03:35:21,440 --> 03:35:22,420
Thank you, sir.

2764
03:35:22,620 --> 03:35:23,860
No, I'm not going to stop.

2765
03:35:24,340 --> 03:35:25,260
We need to protect you.

2766
03:35:26,400 --> 03:35:27,540
No, I'm not going to stop.

2767
03:35:27,540 --> 03:35:32,900
We understeed over past Bill. I got you. We got your points, sir, public safety overpassed.

2768
03:35:32,900 --> 03:35:35,460
Okay, thank you very much. Nice to meet you all.

2769
03:35:35,600 --> 03:35:37,200
Yeah, thank you, sir. Thank you for your comments.

2770
03:35:38,200 --> 03:35:40,820
Anybody wishing to speak? Please come forward, stage your name for the record.

2771
03:35:40,960 --> 03:35:41,820
You'll have three minutes.

2772
03:35:44,410 --> 03:35:44,990
Yeah, thank you, sir.

2773
03:35:53,500 --> 03:35:59,320
Hello, my name is Charles Goodman. I live in the Punta Gord area and I'm here to speak on behalf

2774
03:35:59,320 --> 03:36:07,120
of the Powered Outreach Society. Five years ago my wife and I walked into the

2775
03:36:07,120 --> 03:36:12,340
Once had a parrot for almost 25 years from a baby until it's passing, so naturally we were

2776
03:36:12,340 --> 03:36:14,460
curious about what this place really was.

2777
03:36:14,800 --> 03:36:18,280
We were warmly greeted by a volunteer staff member who gave us a tour of the facilities

2778
03:36:18,280 --> 03:36:22,880
and gave us a short orientation regarding the different types of birds currently housed

2779
03:36:22,880 --> 03:36:23,480
there.

2780
03:36:23,760 --> 03:36:28,220
Over the next three years we have adopted three parrot from the outreach society, each one,

2781
03:36:28,300 --> 03:36:32,400
an older bird, who had somehow lost their previous homes and needed someone to care for

2782
03:36:32,400 --> 03:36:32,840
them.

2783
03:36:32,840 --> 03:36:37,620
Unlike most domestic pets, parents can live a lifespan very similar to ours.

2784
03:36:38,300 --> 03:36:42,160
Birds are now the third most popular pet in not just Florida but in America.

2785
03:36:43,240 --> 03:36:48,260
Behind right behind dogs and cats, many of the birds at the outreach society are simply there

2786
03:36:48,260 --> 03:36:51,480
because they've outlived their owners' ability to care for them.

2787
03:36:51,800 --> 03:36:56,140
The powered Irish society not only finds suitable homes and caretakers for these birds but

2788
03:36:56,140 --> 03:37:02,020
provide invaluable guidance that makes the adoption most likely to succeed. They don't just hand the

2789
03:37:02,020 --> 03:37:07,040
walks in. The volunteers are always available for consultation if one has concerns regarding

2790
03:37:07,040 --> 03:37:11,540
the health, nutrition or behavior of your parrot. It doesn't matter if it was adopted there

2791
03:37:11,540 --> 03:37:16,920
or if it was purchased as a pet elsewhere. The expertise of the volunteers is irreplaceable.

2792
03:37:17,480 --> 03:37:22,540
All the birds are diseased tested upon arrival and any affected birds will receive medical treatments.

2793
03:37:23,020 --> 03:37:28,340
nowhere else in the area can one go to get the advice and services that are now available at the

2794
03:37:28,340 --> 03:37:33,640
outreach. They provide grooming services such as nail trims, beak trims as well as disease testing

2795
03:37:33,640 --> 03:37:38,660
and DNA tests that would normally incur a very expensive vet belt for just the nominal donation

2796
03:37:38,660 --> 03:37:43,960
at the outreach. This also gives the owners a chance to speak to more experienced bird owners

2797
03:37:43,960 --> 03:37:49,720
regarding any health concerns they may have with their birds. If needed, the outreach has a list of

2798
03:37:49,720 --> 03:37:55,280
qualified exotic animal veterinarians in the west coast. Sadly, the nearest ones are either an

2799
03:37:55,280 --> 03:38:00,400
north or in our south of Pantagorta. The services in assistance provided by the outreach is an

2800
03:38:00,400 --> 03:38:05,400
important asset to our community and our residents. The doors are open to the public and this offers

2801
03:38:05,400 --> 03:38:09,940
many people in the community the ability to interact with parents in a way that's not available

2802
03:38:09,940 --> 03:38:14,920
elsewhere in the area. Children's faces light up when a bird shows a special interest in a visiting

2803
03:38:14,920 --> 03:38:19,220
child. Their smiles are priceless when a bird introduces themselves by speaking,

2804
03:38:19,400 --> 03:38:24,100
hello, I'm Kiddles, or hey girl, such interactions can shape a child's personality you become

2805
03:38:24,100 --> 03:38:26,280
more open to having better understanding of animals.

2806
03:38:27,000 --> 03:38:29,680
This can then extend to their relationship with other people.

2807
03:38:29,920 --> 03:38:31,720
Pairs are incredibly intelligent birds.

2808
03:38:31,960 --> 03:38:35,660
They are capable of critical thinking and are often able to vocalize their feelings.

2809
03:38:36,300 --> 03:38:40,080
Just going one recent meeting of the volunteers, a long time resident parrot,

2810
03:38:40,100 --> 03:38:43,400
interjected into the conversation regarding the care of birds.

2811
03:38:43,920 --> 03:38:47,080
Quote, you think you're so smart and then let out a laugh.

2812
03:38:48,060 --> 03:38:52,180
Yes, they can speak, but they need us to speak for them here so that they can have a safe

2813
03:38:52,180 --> 03:38:53,700
and secure future in our community.

2814
03:38:54,220 --> 03:38:56,020
I respectfully ask you to support the panel.

2815
03:38:56,180 --> 03:38:57,180
I would like to say thank you.

2816
03:38:57,180 --> 03:38:58,420
I'm a valuable asset to our community.

2817
03:38:58,740 --> 03:38:59,500
Thank you, sir.

2818
03:38:59,940 --> 03:39:00,760
Anybody else wishing to speak?

2819
03:39:00,860 --> 03:39:02,260
Please come forward to your name for the record.

2820
03:39:02,380 --> 03:39:03,160
You'll have three minutes.

2821
03:39:07,010 --> 03:39:07,450
Good afternoon.

2822
03:39:07,590 --> 03:39:08,830
Thank you for having me.

2823
03:39:09,130 --> 03:39:12,750
I'm Charles McLean speaking on behalf of the Parent Outreach Society.

2824
03:39:13,390 --> 03:39:16,530
You've heard a lot about our organizations been around for a long time.

2825
03:39:16,830 --> 03:39:20,630
I've been there since 2019, and the board member for the past three years.

2826
03:39:22,230 --> 03:39:25,770
So the other thing is I could tell you about the paradigm reaches the way we help out domestic

2827
03:39:25,770 --> 03:39:27,590
violence, whom's people?

2828
03:39:28,050 --> 03:39:30,050
They have to get rid of their animals when that's at that happens.

2829
03:39:30,470 --> 03:39:31,550
We take them in no charge.

2830
03:39:31,930 --> 03:39:33,450
We don't charge anybody about it.

2831
03:39:33,470 --> 03:39:36,350
We take care of medical care expenses, and they get stunned.

2832
03:39:37,110 --> 03:39:38,370
So what we do is a lot.

2833
03:39:38,530 --> 03:39:39,750
It's a harpset volunteer.

2834
03:39:40,310 --> 03:39:45,510
As a 5-1-C-3, we try our best to keep the bird poop out of peace river because we take

2835
03:39:45,510 --> 03:39:46,370
care of them.

2836
03:39:46,370 --> 03:39:49,390
and they come in our walls, no questions asked,

2837
03:39:49,890 --> 03:39:51,670
we'll take care of your birds long as you need to.

2838
03:39:51,890 --> 03:39:54,200
If you need to, we find new home for them.

2839
03:39:55,290 --> 03:39:57,050
But what's tough is, as Mel said,

2840
03:39:57,390 --> 03:39:58,770
every month gets harder and harder

2841
03:39:58,770 --> 03:39:59,970
because of the cost of...

2842
03:40:00,270 --> 03:40:29,990
At least this county, it's unbelievable, I did it to your hunt, I'll try and define us another facility. We've tried everywhere. We get told by some of this rental property, it's not the sort of thing we want in our mall. It's not the sort of thing we want in our little poor in the world here. But we're here. We haven't gone away, we take care of everyone. The county has a lot of distress property. You're paying a lot of money to take care of it and stop being used. We have a legitimate

2843
03:40:29,990 --> 03:40:35,670
100% cause that's all volunteer and we take care of everyone. We also have the training program

2844
03:40:35,670 --> 03:40:41,150
we're getting out to the schools, educating people on the birds, how to take care of them.

2845
03:40:41,550 --> 03:40:46,470
Don't chew more than you can bite off because what sad is, you have a lot of seniors down here

2846
03:40:46,470 --> 03:40:52,030
that take these birds for their companions. That day comes where they pass on. The bird out lives them.

2847
03:40:52,290 --> 03:40:57,930
The bird is another home. The families don't help them out. It's a huge cost. It's a huge uptaking

2848
03:40:57,930 --> 03:41:01,790
we're glad to do it, but every year it does get harder and harder to do this.

2849
03:41:03,670 --> 03:41:08,450
So, help with the rent, help with some land purchase, help with any vacant buildings that

2850
03:41:08,450 --> 03:41:14,770
have no calls or use right now is a huge help to us, because every year it's going up, every

2851
03:41:14,770 --> 03:41:18,730
month it's going up, it's getting harder and harder to do this calls, and again we do provide

2852
03:41:18,730 --> 03:41:23,590
a good service to the county, and education we're pushing more and more every month that

2853
03:41:23,590 --> 03:41:27,470
we can get from a people to tell them, we will love a day that comes or we're not

2854
03:41:27,470 --> 03:41:31,750
isn't setting more. But the human spirit's never going to let that happen, because

2855
03:41:31,750 --> 03:41:35,290
sometimes we'll say, hey, my bird, or my dogs, by the way, I'm going to breed them,

2856
03:41:35,350 --> 03:41:39,430
it's sticking out in a population, and then all of a sudden that pet doesn't have a home.

2857
03:41:40,150 --> 03:41:46,990
So, you know, we do provide that service. And again, it's preset it, pre-date at me,

2858
03:41:47,510 --> 03:41:51,610
you know, the torch has been passed to us now. We take care of it right now. So, a lot of good

2859
03:41:51,610 --> 03:41:55,750
people built your organization that's been around for a long time. One of the longest

2860
03:41:55,750 --> 03:41:59,670
If I won't see three's in the county, thank you very much for your tone.

2861
03:42:00,030 --> 03:42:00,410
Thank you, sir.

2862
03:42:00,710 --> 03:42:01,210
Anybody else question?

2863
03:42:01,470 --> 03:42:02,130
Speak, please come forward.

2864
03:42:02,290 --> 03:42:02,950
State your name for the record.

2865
03:42:03,090 --> 03:42:03,730
You'll have three minutes.

2866
03:42:06,520 --> 03:42:07,520
Good afternoon, commissioners.

2867
03:42:07,620 --> 03:42:08,740
My name is Patty Castro.

2868
03:42:10,280 --> 03:42:13,300
I am not affiliated at all with the parent outreach society.

2869
03:42:14,300 --> 03:42:17,700
But I'm feel compelled to come up and speak to you about it.

2870
03:42:18,460 --> 03:42:20,540
Several years ago, a friend of mine's parent passed away.

2871
03:42:20,660 --> 03:42:22,020
I was not aware of the organization.

2872
03:42:22,020 --> 03:42:28,960
I went there, I made a donation, and I would encourage you to go to see the facility that they have.

2873
03:42:29,240 --> 03:42:30,520
I continue to support them.

2874
03:42:30,520 --> 03:42:36,960
They're an amazing organization, and I would request that you do something to help this wonderful organization, our community.

2875
03:42:37,160 --> 03:42:37,640
Thank you.

2876
03:42:38,680 --> 03:42:39,540
Anybody else wish and speak?

2877
03:42:39,580 --> 03:42:40,220
Please come forward.

2878
03:42:40,360 --> 03:42:41,080
We'll have three minutes.

2879
03:42:43,640 --> 03:42:44,060
Good afternoon.

2880
03:42:44,580 --> 03:42:45,800
My name is Richard Venacker.

2881
03:42:46,200 --> 03:42:53,620
And I've been involved with the MSBU Streets and Drainage Golf Cove for about 18 years either on the board or

2882
03:42:53,620 --> 03:42:59,960
as a resident recently. Two years ago the committee brought up taking out

2883
03:42:59,960 --> 03:43:03,480
there's a little small medium when you come in on off 7, 7, 6 on

2884
03:43:03,480 --> 03:43:08,620
to the July. Taking that medium out widening and making an extra lane in

2885
03:43:08,620 --> 03:43:14,980
there to match Fthe of T's layout that's already at the intersection. They've

2886
03:43:14,980 --> 03:43:19,960
been turned down at every meeting this past meeting. They were turned down

2887
03:43:19,960 --> 03:43:23,480
again for it, but they said that they'll do a $1.6 million

2888
03:43:24,280 --> 03:43:29,400
beautification, put in curves and shrink in the lanes, but we

2889
03:43:29,400 --> 03:43:32,920
want it widened because of the amount of traffic that's in there.

2890
03:43:33,140 --> 03:43:37,400
Now that the parks in there, the building that's going on, we're

2891
03:43:37,400 --> 03:43:40,860
backed up all the way through that island waiting for Q on that light.

2892
03:43:42,680 --> 03:43:46,480
The identical intersection for the north side is at

2893
03:43:46,480 --> 03:43:53,820
water. In a matter of fact, July is bigger, wider than that water is. So there would still

2894
03:43:53,820 --> 03:44:00,000
be a legal median and everything. I know you all haven't heard it from public works because

2895
03:44:00,000 --> 03:44:07,000
they never tell you what the MSB is really want. And I'm leaving town for a couple of months.

2896
03:44:07,780 --> 03:44:11,660
There will be other people here in the next couple of meetings. I got the dates wrong and I told

2897
03:44:11,660 --> 03:44:16,160
them their long dates that they come up and speak. So they'll be coming to talk to you about it too.

2898
03:44:16,480 --> 03:44:22,680
But the committee the residents all want that medium widen so the traffic can flow

2899
03:44:23,420 --> 03:44:27,980
Thank you. You all have good afternoon. Thank you, sir. Anybody else wishing to speak

2900
03:44:29,320 --> 03:44:35,220
On any kind of related subject, please state your name for the record. You'll have three minutes. I have the handouts

2901
03:44:37,220 --> 03:44:38,460
There's eight copies

2902
03:44:39,600 --> 03:44:40,160
Thank

2903
03:44:56,040 --> 03:44:56,600
you

2904
03:44:56,600 --> 03:44:59,980
Colonel Mary Ann Tipton United State's Air Force Retired Perry Creek Web

2905
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:15,320
Speaking today, regarding the unauthorized extension of TCP-24-04, adoption hearing deadline as established by law expired July 9, 2026, 180 days after transmittal.

2906
03:45:15,920 --> 03:45:24,720
As of this morning, July 28, 2026, we have received no communication or feedback from you or your staff on our letter.

2907
03:45:24,720 --> 03:45:30,960
That's another copy of it, regarding statutory expiration and automatic withdrawal of proposed

2908
03:45:30,960 --> 03:45:40,460
complaint amendment, TCP2404, the Charlotte County Amendment 25-06-ESR, the RSAOD revisions,

2909
03:45:41,100 --> 03:45:46,660
which I also sent through your assistant as Charlotte County's Lordy.gov on Sunday because

2910
03:45:46,660 --> 03:45:49,460
it had been two weeks and we had not heard a word back from you.

2911
03:45:50,300 --> 03:45:55,840
This, after months of various discussions with individual staff and board members as well.

2912
03:45:56,600 --> 03:46:01,860
At the April 28th, 2026 Board of Commissioners meeting, during commissioners' comments,

2913
03:46:02,200 --> 03:46:09,180
the following comments all quotes from commissioners and can be verified on your video were made regarding extensions.

2914
03:46:10,140 --> 03:46:14,060
Do we have a spreadsheet of when and why extensions have been granted in the past?

2915
03:46:14,760 --> 03:46:16,020
No one knew or responded.

2916
03:46:16,660 --> 03:46:20,720
How many proposals have been granted extensions, how long were those extensions?

2917
03:46:21,220 --> 03:46:23,880
Do we even know which ones come back after how long?

2918
03:46:25,040 --> 03:46:28,120
We should review extensions for approval, not staff, maybe?

2919
03:46:29,140 --> 03:46:31,440
We should have a workshop about polting extensions.

2920
03:46:32,160 --> 03:46:36,460
When? We don't see these things for months and forget what it was about.

2921
03:46:37,420 --> 03:46:45,760
They asked their attorney, U.S. to your attorney, his opinion on extensions, and staff approval, or board of commissioners.

2922
03:46:46,560 --> 03:46:51,960
His response, we will look into it. That was three months ago. We haven't heard.

2923
03:46:52,600 --> 03:47:00,720
We expected some type of response long before today. By law, the adoption hearing had to be held no later than December.

2924
03:47:00,720 --> 03:47:06,100
he's met July 9th, 2026, 100 days after transmittal returned from state.

2925
03:47:06,880 --> 03:47:14,460
Reminder the applicant first applied for TCP20404 on September 17th, 2024, which is approximately

2926
03:47:14,460 --> 03:47:20,660
2.42 years to have their sewer and water plans approved, which is why they asked for an extension.

2927
03:47:21,500 --> 03:47:27,720
March 17th, 2026, Mr. Delisi on behalf of the applicant sent an email to staff after hours,

2928
03:47:27,720 --> 03:47:32,960
requesting an additional 180 days, extension out to February 28.

2929
03:47:34,060 --> 03:47:39,140
Staff sent to DOC within a very short time, also after hours to record new date, with

2930
03:47:39,140 --> 03:47:42,300
still 111 days before the original deadline.

2931
03:47:43,080 --> 03:47:48,700
As elected officials from your tax paying constituents, don't we deserve a response to

2932
03:47:48,700 --> 03:47:51,300
our inquiry, not just crickets?

2933
03:47:52,120 --> 03:47:52,960
Thank you for your time.

2934
03:47:53,120 --> 03:47:54,320
We look forward to your response.

2935
03:47:54,800 --> 03:47:55,480
Thank you.

2936
03:47:55,480 --> 03:47:59,560
Anybody else wishing to speak please come forward. You'll have three minutes on any kind of related matter

2937
03:48:00,780 --> 03:48:06,360
Okay, seeing no one rise gentlemen. Do you want to try to attempt comments or you'd you like to go into recess until too?

2938
03:48:08,260 --> 03:48:09,420
What's the pleasure of the board?

2939
03:48:11,360 --> 03:48:16,780
Okay, so we want to take a stab at comments and we'll just stop wherever we stop. Yeah, okay

2940
03:48:16,780 --> 03:48:22,180
Start to my left-hand commissioner, do it your recognized for contact. Well, actually we have a

2941
03:48:22,180 --> 03:48:25,980
Mr. Flores. Thank you. I just have a quick one. It's actually piggybacking off

2942
03:48:25,980 --> 03:48:31,100
we had set the public hearing coming up for September 8th regarding right away and the discussion

2943
03:48:31,100 --> 03:48:31,560
enforcement.

2944
03:48:32,120 --> 03:48:36,380
Just so the board knows, it's not only right away that we're making sure we take a look

2945
03:48:36,380 --> 03:48:41,800
at, but it's also, there's other instances, county owned parcels, we're folks end up staging

2946
03:48:41,800 --> 03:48:43,200
or parking along them.

2947
03:48:43,520 --> 03:48:47,360
So we're trying to take a look at all that where there might be some non-compliance issues

2948
03:48:47,360 --> 03:48:52,060
and see how we go about enforcing whether it's putting up signings or trespassing.

2949
03:48:52,520 --> 03:48:53,860
So I'm more to come on that, but that's it.

2950
03:48:53,860 --> 03:48:54,520
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2951
03:48:54,520 --> 03:48:55,660
Mr. David, any comments?

2952
03:48:56,660 --> 03:48:58,860
Okay, Commissioner George, you're recognized for comments.

2953
03:48:59,700 --> 03:49:04,540
I guess I could comment on a whole bunch of things that are including the birds.

2954
03:49:04,640 --> 03:49:07,660
I'll just comment on a few so we can all have a chance.

2955
03:49:08,980 --> 03:49:13,340
The last speaker, Mary Ann, who talked about the expiration date,

2956
03:49:13,560 --> 03:49:17,260
I sort of recall that coming before this board.

2957
03:49:19,020 --> 03:49:21,980
Tom David, did you get a chance to look into that?

2958
03:49:21,980 --> 03:49:29,000
verify the date so see if an extension was done or what the status is on that.

2959
03:49:29,000 --> 03:49:31,980
Commissioner, we do an interview at Tom David County Attorney.

2960
03:49:32,120 --> 03:49:35,880
We do administrative extensions which is a common practice around state.

2961
03:49:37,080 --> 03:49:41,800
Okay, so that's under an extension right now.

2962
03:49:43,580 --> 03:49:51,680
The project that she's that she referenced at the Colonel reference is that project was extended

2963
03:49:51,680 --> 03:49:54,100
the person to the email that she talked about.

2964
03:49:54,580 --> 03:49:59,840
Okay, and it was extended in due time, and you know the date that it's extended.

2965
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:06,240
I don't have the dates. Excuse me? I do not have the dates, sir. Maybe we can't. Maybe we can't have that.

2966
03:50:06,740 --> 03:50:14,000
You can't respond, no, I'm sorry. Maybe we can get that information if we have it. And so, share.

2967
03:50:15,560 --> 03:50:27,020
So, the lady would be able to see that we will follow in rules that were established and that we just as a procedure, both times will extend some of those items.

2968
03:50:27,020 --> 03:50:30,340
If we could get that for, I think it would be helpful.

2969
03:50:30,540 --> 03:50:32,420
I believe community development has that information,

2970
03:50:32,860 --> 03:50:34,230
and I'll talk to that about it.

2971
03:50:35,180 --> 03:50:36,070
Okay, thank you.

2972
03:50:37,140 --> 03:50:39,020
The other thing that concerns me,

2973
03:50:39,640 --> 03:50:44,360
and we all pride ourselves on responding to emails.

2974
03:50:44,800 --> 03:50:46,000
What are you doing here?

2975
03:50:46,600 --> 03:50:47,580
I thought you retired.

2976
03:50:48,580 --> 03:50:51,420
emails and phone calls and all that stuff.

2977
03:50:51,420 --> 03:51:00,440
But I'm concerned that, I guess they said, a lot of calls, I don't know what we call

2978
03:51:00,440 --> 03:51:06,240
if it was 30 or 300 or whatever, but it was an awful lot of calls went to the Administrators

2979
03:51:06,240 --> 03:51:12,400
office and no one called them back, maybe you could check on that internally, because I think

2980
03:51:12,400 --> 03:51:20,620
most of us try to return off phone calls and have some level of communication with the citizens

2981
03:51:20,620 --> 03:51:28,700
whenever possible, so you may want to heck if you could touch space with that person and see what

2982
03:51:28,700 --> 03:51:35,380
happened if all those phone calls, so you didn't get a return, that doesn't, that just doesn't

2983
03:51:35,380 --> 03:51:39,100
seem consistent for me. For the birds,

2984
03:51:41,200 --> 03:51:44,720
I had a bunch of parakeets at one time and puppies and

2985
03:51:44,720 --> 03:51:50,600
all kinds of stuff flying around and apartment houses, I grew up as a youngster. And I think most

2986
03:51:50,600 --> 03:51:56,200
of us are pet lovers, although now that I have three of my house, I'm beginning to question

2987
03:51:56,200 --> 03:52:06,700
if I'm saying or not, but the issue with the parents is I don't think, and maybe the

2988
03:52:06,700 --> 03:52:14,500
Administrator Attorney will comment on that, I don't think we have a way that we could

2989
03:52:14,500 --> 03:52:20,440
provide funding to a 501, C3, not that the need is in there.

2990
03:52:21,760 --> 03:52:27,960
We had this request come up at the end of the cultural center before it got destroyed by hurricanes.

2991
03:52:28,640 --> 03:52:37,300
I'm not sure that we have a methodology or a way that we can provide funding to an organization

2992
03:52:37,300 --> 03:52:44,620
group like that. I don't know, Tom, you may want to comment on that one too, but I don't

2993
03:52:44,620 --> 03:52:50,500
think we don't have a router or a plan to be able to provide taxpayer dollars to something

2994
03:52:50,500 --> 03:52:56,180
like that. Not that it wouldn't be helpful and not that there's not a need, but I don't

2995
03:52:56,180 --> 03:53:00,800
think there's a way we can do that. Is that Tom that I'm not aware of?

2996
03:53:00,900 --> 03:53:05,680
Tom David County Attorney, I think Commissioner the way to do that would be to ask for the

2997
03:53:05,680 --> 03:53:08,760
board to act and then included in the budget process.

2998
03:53:08,960 --> 03:53:10,460
We can look at anything you wish.

2999
03:53:10,780 --> 03:53:13,320
I mean, whatever's legally allowed,

3000
03:53:13,520 --> 03:53:16,340
I don't know what this organization's status is

3001
03:53:16,340 --> 03:53:18,760
or we do grant funding.

3002
03:53:19,000 --> 03:53:20,840
We do different types of county does.

3003
03:53:21,460 --> 03:53:23,700
So, well, we do that package through the United Way,

3004
03:53:23,900 --> 03:53:25,280
which has been established.

3005
03:53:26,340 --> 03:53:31,160
There's different types of projects that the county funds

3006
03:53:31,720 --> 03:53:34,380
for various county services.

3007
03:53:34,380 --> 03:53:39,100
we use vendors and all kinds of things so there's ways to do it you just need to direct the staff

3008
03:53:39,100 --> 03:53:45,860
to investigate it. We would have to go through the budget. I picked a couple because I'm going to

3009
03:53:45,860 --> 03:53:50,040
give everyone else a chance to comment because I've got some more comments on some of the other

3010
03:53:50,040 --> 03:53:57,980
things that came up too. Let someone else go in. Well you have the floor for comments or are

3011
03:54:00,770 --> 03:54:05,730
you

3012
03:54:05,730 --> 03:54:08,210
go down your list and we'll all come in after you.

3013
03:54:08,410 --> 03:54:12,390
I don't want to comment and everything I want to give everyone else enough to do so, so

3014
03:54:12,390 --> 03:54:12,810
I'm fine.

3015
03:54:13,370 --> 03:54:13,490
No.

3016
03:54:13,750 --> 03:54:13,870
Okay.

3017
03:54:14,030 --> 03:54:15,230
You don't want your comments for now.

3018
03:54:16,090 --> 03:54:16,790
Commissioner Truex.

3019
03:54:16,950 --> 03:54:17,490
Do you have any comments?

3020
03:54:18,350 --> 03:54:23,890
I'm just going to bring up any annual conference for the NATO successful conference.

3021
03:54:23,950 --> 03:54:25,890
I was not there for the general session on Monday.

3022
03:54:26,030 --> 03:54:30,630
I flew back early to get back, but the meetings went very, very well.

3023
03:54:30,630 --> 03:54:36,550
We do have a new second-by-chair, whatever it is,

3024
03:54:36,670 --> 03:54:37,530
which ever we're going to see.

3025
03:54:38,130 --> 03:54:38,990
Vice President, yeah.

3026
03:54:39,230 --> 03:54:40,390
Some of them share some for anyway.

3027
03:54:41,210 --> 03:54:42,330
And that is Sarah Bittithar.

3028
03:54:45,130 --> 03:54:48,310
And I don't have a whole lot else to report.

3029
03:54:48,490 --> 03:54:50,390
My Justice of Public Safety meetings went very well.

3030
03:54:50,590 --> 03:54:53,530
We had good participation from FEMA while we were there.

3031
03:54:54,150 --> 03:54:55,410
And so that was good.

3032
03:54:55,710 --> 03:54:58,690
The deputy director that I got to meet with when I was in DC was also there.

3033
03:54:58,870 --> 03:54:59,650
So it's good to see.

3034
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:13,220
See her and staff there to do a presentation. The acting administrator who has been an acting administrator before you got 30 years of experience was there and hoping to see the new appointee confirmed by the Senate.

3035
03:55:13,460 --> 03:55:20,000
I haven't heard how that's going at this point, but they were hoping to have it done this week. So we also also be watching that.

3036
03:55:20,920 --> 03:55:26,380
The person that's in charge now, and the person that's coming in, and a previous administrator

3037
03:55:26,960 --> 03:55:32,380
FEMA, we're all in our disaster recovery meeting, and that meeting went very, very well,

3038
03:55:32,480 --> 03:55:33,620
got in some very good detail.

3039
03:55:33,860 --> 03:55:39,040
It sounds like they're on board to make some good modifications and not just get the agency.

3040
03:55:39,620 --> 03:55:44,900
So I think there's improvements in that area, and it's good to see things moving in a positive

3041
03:55:44,900 --> 03:55:51,380
direction. We all know that we need to see reform in FEMA, but we need FEMA in place where we

3042
03:55:51,380 --> 03:55:56,360
are concerned about if they go to a grant process, what that looks like, but they have also

3043
03:55:56,360 --> 03:56:01,020
been informed that we would like to see it bypass the states in order to get to the local communities

3044
03:56:01,020 --> 03:56:05,340
and stop getting held up between the federal government and the state and the state decides,

3045
03:56:05,540 --> 03:56:10,580
well, I'm going to give it here instead of there. We're direct now, so it's better, but overall,

3046
03:56:10,580 --> 03:56:14,420
Well, I think we're going to see some improvements, just keep praying for them.

3047
03:56:14,620 --> 03:56:15,580
It's a long way to go.

3048
03:56:16,100 --> 03:56:17,080
And that's all I have to say.

3049
03:56:17,160 --> 03:56:17,760
Thank you, sir.

3050
03:56:18,100 --> 03:56:18,600
Commissioner Dwight.

3051
03:56:18,680 --> 03:56:21,260
Did you want to comment on Commissioner Choices' comments or continue?

3052
03:56:21,360 --> 03:56:25,340
No, I just like to bring one up because I think the gentleman left, but I had some

3053
03:56:25,340 --> 03:56:27,380
information be relevant to all of us.

3054
03:56:27,900 --> 03:56:34,680
So, gentlemen, suggested getting a walkover from the Fed grounds and where the parking lot

3055
03:56:34,680 --> 03:56:36,560
is over into the sports park.

3056
03:56:36,560 --> 03:56:41,780
And particularly when the Stone Krabs were here a number of years ago and I first came

3057
03:56:41,780 --> 03:56:45,300
on the board, we actually looked into that.

3058
03:56:45,860 --> 03:56:51,620
And the problem with getting the ramp number one was then, I would hate to guess what it

3059
03:56:51,620 --> 03:56:52,020
is now.

3060
03:56:52,060 --> 03:56:58,420
But the cost then was well over a million dollars, and that was about 15 years ago, so I hate

3061
03:56:58,420 --> 03:56:59,660
to guess what it would be.

3062
03:56:59,660 --> 03:57:08,100
But the other problem with it and putting in the overpass, you would have to meet federal guidelines

3063
03:57:08,100 --> 03:57:17,340
for making it accessible to anyone handicapped, disabled, and to do that, you need one foot

3064
03:57:17,340 --> 03:57:26,080
for every inch. And the Passover would have to be high enough that, and I don't remember to

3065
03:57:26,080 --> 03:57:32,540
stay the height of a vehicle, but it was somewhere around 18 to 20 feet to get make sure

3066
03:57:32,540 --> 03:57:38,840
all the trucks that go on that roadway would be able to get under it. Well to do that,

3067
03:57:39,120 --> 03:57:45,880
you have to remember for every inch you need a foot. And the problem was just looking and

3068
03:57:45,880 --> 03:57:51,240
we didn't have enough room to be able to build it and still let people pass, but it probably

3069
03:57:51,240 --> 03:57:56,060
would have gone back hundreds of yards to be able to get the height we need to cross over

3070
03:57:56,060 --> 03:58:01,180
press the price, but we did look into it at one time, and obviously when we had the stone

3071
03:58:01,180 --> 03:58:05,420
crabs and other things were going on, it was even, even busier there. But I wanted to

3072
03:58:05,420 --> 03:58:09,380
share that, I mean, I think Chris probably knew it, but I don't know if everyone else

3073
03:58:09,380 --> 03:58:09,760
did.

3074
03:58:10,720 --> 03:58:12,000
Do you want to finish a list of comments?

3075
03:58:12,000 --> 03:58:12,680
No, I'm good.

3076
03:58:13,200 --> 03:58:17,720
It's going to be my last call. Would you like to finish your list of comments? Okay, Mr.

3077
03:58:17,800 --> 03:58:18,580
Flores, you're recognized.

3078
03:58:18,880 --> 03:58:22,220
Thank you. I'll be quick. Commissioner Tracks, I know you were busy at NACO, but thank

3079
03:58:22,220 --> 03:58:25,760
for picking up the Digital County Survey Award for us.

3080
03:58:25,920 --> 03:58:29,600
Commissioner Constitut, you bring it up, you're challenging, push us to take advantage of

3081
03:58:29,600 --> 03:58:35,040
technology, AI, so Kudos to Ben Bailey and his team, because they've gotten that handful

3082
03:58:35,040 --> 03:58:37,360
of years in a row, so we'll keep pressing forward.

3083
03:58:37,480 --> 03:58:37,900
Thank you, Chair.

3084
03:58:38,000 --> 03:58:42,140
Yeah, that presentation is going to be on the September meeting, first meeting in September.

3085
03:58:43,300 --> 03:58:44,100
For that award.

3086
03:58:45,160 --> 03:58:45,760
Thank you.

3087
03:58:46,020 --> 03:58:46,560
Mr. Constitut.

3088
03:58:47,020 --> 03:58:47,960
Yeah, just real quick.

3089
03:58:47,960 --> 03:58:53,860
I appreciate the people coming in from the Perth Society and I don't know if we discussed

3090
03:58:53,860 --> 03:58:59,920
it on the phone call but maybe one thought is to see about partnering up with other possibly

3091
03:58:59,920 --> 03:59:04,000
for profit or non-for-profit groups like a Guana land or some of the other ones around.

3092
03:59:04,080 --> 03:59:09,600
I don't know if I mentioned that before so you know she shaker her hand but you know

3093
03:59:09,600 --> 03:59:13,880
I do think there's an opportunity not just talking about your situation but also the gentleman

3094
03:59:13,880 --> 03:59:18,740
talking about the firehouse at a Babcock, you know, making sure that we're fully utilizing

3095
03:59:18,740 --> 03:59:19,760
county facilities.

3096
03:59:20,100 --> 03:59:23,680
So I think that's maybe something that we have to have some deep conversations about.

3097
03:59:24,260 --> 03:59:24,480
That's it.

3098
03:59:24,540 --> 03:59:25,160
Thank you.

3099
03:59:25,180 --> 03:59:25,680
Mr. Dorty.

3100
03:59:26,060 --> 03:59:26,660
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

3101
03:59:26,820 --> 03:59:30,880
Yeah, I was going to bring up a Mr. Acceler from Babcock Ranch on the Firehouse on 31.

3102
03:59:31,420 --> 03:59:32,400
Yes, I am the commissioner.

3103
03:59:32,580 --> 03:59:37,380
He's been in communication with, and I've been working with Mr. Flores on this as well.

3104
03:59:37,700 --> 03:59:43,100
I would just ask, Hector, if you could take in brief all board members in your one-on-ones

3105
03:59:43,100 --> 03:59:48,820
as to the status of that building and what the plans are so that we all know and then probably

3106
03:59:48,820 --> 03:59:54,360
send an email of some kind of written correspondence to Mr. Accler so the Legion out there

3107
03:59:54,360 --> 03:59:58,040
knows what the real plans are for the county. I appreciate that.

3108
03:59:58,160 --> 03:59:59,980
He asked that we look into it.

3109
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:13,220
That's the reason for my request. Thank you, sir. Yes, so for my comments, I did speak to staff when that VA post request came in. My understanding is we weren't ready to serve plus that property.

3110
04:00:13,920 --> 04:00:23,260
That's right. So, you know, I guess we can formalize a letter and correspond with the gentleman. It's just we're not ready to do that. We haven't determined it's ready for serve plus.

3111
04:00:23,380 --> 04:00:27,400
Yeah, you recognized sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yeah, I think that's exactly the dialogue.

3112
04:00:27,400 --> 04:00:33,020
I think Mr. Flores needs to have with each one of us individually, so he gets a sense of,

3113
04:00:33,040 --> 04:00:36,780
you know, where he's heading with it, makes sure he's got consensus from the board, right?

3114
04:00:37,380 --> 04:00:38,560
Just continue down that pathway.

3115
04:00:39,780 --> 04:00:49,400
And in regards to the parrot outreach program, I did speak to staff about, you know, what the county could do or facilities.

3116
04:00:49,740 --> 04:00:57,060
I don't think we have facilities conducive that are readily available to lease out to a non-profit or for profit

3117
04:00:57,060 --> 04:01:03,900
for any organization. I think we don't have that kind of space available. So I guess what the

3118
04:01:03,900 --> 04:01:10,400
speaker said is she's identified properties that we have that have facilities that can

3119
04:01:10,400 --> 04:01:16,500
house birds. I'm unaware of that at this point. So I'd have to get with staff and maybe hector

3120
04:01:16,500 --> 04:01:22,300
can we'll just go over one more time at our next staff meeting to understand what this inventory

3121
04:01:22,300 --> 04:01:27,200
is that that has a building that's thousands of square feet that's for

3122
04:01:27,200 --> 04:01:29,820
burnt, you know, that we can use for birds. I don't know if one.

3123
04:01:31,080 --> 04:01:34,800
Just a related comment. It's possible. I think it might be wise,

3124
04:01:35,040 --> 04:01:39,960
actually, to look at a workshop agenda in the relatively near future,

3125
04:01:40,040 --> 04:01:44,760
look at all of our spaces that are vacant right now. I have no clue what we've

3126
04:01:44,760 --> 04:01:49,680
got for space. Just to confirm what the Chairman's talking about. So we understand

3127
04:01:49,680 --> 04:01:59,960
And I don't know what we have, what we don't have for primarily that's unoccupied and that we're holding on to for future needs, at least what we believe we're underneath.

3128
04:02:00,560 --> 04:02:11,020
Yeah, because to the extent, if we do have any space and staff has identified it as a potential future need, we're not going to give that up and then try to get it back because it's not here.

3129
04:02:11,460 --> 04:02:12,380
But I don't know what it is.

3130
04:02:12,620 --> 04:02:16,600
Yeah, we'll have to take a look at that inventory. I'm just unaware of it at this time.

3131
04:02:17,620 --> 04:02:24,720
There was a gentleman that spoke about the Pirate Harbor MSBU and I'm not being involved in their budget process, that doesn't sound right to me.

3132
04:02:25,160 --> 04:02:29,000
MSBU is typically approved their work plan and go over the budget.

3133
04:02:30,240 --> 04:02:34,100
So I'll just ask staff to add that to my those comments to our next staff meeting.

3134
04:02:34,100 --> 04:02:36,280
I'd just like to understand what that gentleman was talking about.

3135
04:02:36,440 --> 04:02:37,720
I don't understand that.

3136
04:02:38,500 --> 04:02:39,180
I'll pinch your concerts.

3137
04:02:39,340 --> 04:02:39,700
Yes, please.

3138
04:02:39,760 --> 04:02:40,060
Thank you.

3139
04:02:40,080 --> 04:02:41,180
I had to interrupt your survey.

3140
04:02:41,500 --> 04:02:44,100
That's actually the top of my list and I neglected.

3141
04:02:44,540 --> 04:02:49,500
So, I'm a little bit concerned about what they talked about, you know, they had the Seagras mitigation plan,

3142
04:02:49,740 --> 04:02:52,320
they did everything they were supposed to do, they got pretty close to completion,

3143
04:02:52,740 --> 04:02:56,360
then the storms wiped everything out, and then it's on them to replant everything.

3144
04:02:57,300 --> 04:02:59,600
Well, staff, I spoke to staff at a staff meeting about that.

3145
04:02:59,600 --> 04:03:03,480
If I remember it right, staff had said they tried planting, it didn't take,

3146
04:03:04,100 --> 04:03:06,740
and they found that they were looking for an alternate program.

3147
04:03:06,800 --> 04:03:09,400
I think they tried twice, and it didn't take.

3148
04:03:09,500 --> 04:03:11,980
So, I understood that part of what he was talking about.

3149
04:03:11,980 --> 04:03:15,860
So they came up with an alternate program to satisfy that mitigation.

3150
04:03:16,820 --> 04:03:18,200
I believe something to that effect.

3151
04:03:18,580 --> 04:03:19,840
This is Lewis is coming up.

3152
04:03:20,100 --> 04:03:22,120
But I remember having that conversation with the sea grass.

3153
04:03:22,280 --> 04:03:26,160
It's just where they're going to spend more money to plan an unsuccessful

3154
04:03:26,660 --> 04:03:27,900
bed of sea grass.

3155
04:03:28,040 --> 04:03:28,920
And it didn't make sense.

3156
04:03:29,180 --> 04:03:30,560
I believe it was all those lines.

3157
04:03:30,880 --> 04:03:31,980
Please correct me on that.

3158
04:03:32,220 --> 04:03:32,720
Mrs. Lewis.

3159
04:03:33,180 --> 04:03:33,900
Good afternoon for the record.

3160
04:03:34,020 --> 04:03:35,180
Emily Lewis deputy county administrator.

3161
04:03:35,360 --> 04:03:36,220
Commissioner, that's correct.

3162
04:03:36,680 --> 04:03:39,280
I'm looking for John because he should be coming in.

3163
04:03:39,280 --> 04:03:54,280
But, yeah, staff is actually in agreement with the MSBU on this act and has been advocating with the agency for relief from what we consider to be over burdensome and potentially then not following their own rules.

3164
04:03:55,320 --> 04:03:59,180
There was a meeting scheduled with the EP I believe last Monday this Monday.

3165
04:03:59,480 --> 04:04:02,620
It was canceled due to weather, but I'll let John speak a little bit further.

3166
04:04:03,880 --> 04:04:06,500
Thank you, Commissioners, for the record, John, your last public work structure.

3167
04:04:06,960 --> 04:04:11,200
So to Emily's point, we do concur with a lot of sentiments from the folks there.

3168
04:04:11,480 --> 04:04:12,660
We share the frustration.

3169
04:04:14,480 --> 04:04:18,300
At the end of the day, we got a judge permit.

3170
04:04:18,620 --> 04:04:22,000
The judge permit had certain requirements that we had to meet to include some

3171
04:04:22,000 --> 04:04:22,800
Seagrass mitigation.

3172
04:04:23,400 --> 04:04:25,680
The Seagrass mitigation didn't go as well.

3173
04:04:26,180 --> 04:04:30,780
But we're bringing other folks in to include Brandon and people on our team and

3174
04:04:30,780 --> 04:04:36,000
and others to basically like, hey, can this be, can this count as the mitigation over here

3175
04:04:36,000 --> 04:04:41,400
because the area that their, that their ice latent didn't, to Emily's point didn't do well.

3176
04:04:41,800 --> 04:04:46,740
So we agree with a lot of what they're saying and we're doing everything we can. So when you

3177
04:04:46,740 --> 04:04:50,740
heard about the charges, there's ongoing work that we're still doing with that and we're, and I think

3178
04:04:50,740 --> 04:04:55,120
we met with them this week. I don't know what the outcome was. We were slated to meet last Monday

3179
04:04:55,120 --> 04:04:56,800
and we couldn't meet with them.

3180
04:04:58,140 --> 04:04:59,980
The gentleman that spoke at the second.

3181
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:08,320
There, he give us a list of questions and he wants us to answer and we're going to go through that. It's extensive list, but again, we kind of concur with a lot of the sentiment that they have.

3182
04:05:08,920 --> 04:05:14,600
Yeah, and I think the biggest thing was he said they weren't involved in the budget process for their own MSBU. I don't know how that could be.

3183
04:05:14,740 --> 04:05:18,320
I don't know either, but we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll make sure that we're getting as transparent as we can be.

3184
04:05:18,660 --> 04:05:29,700
Yeah, Mr. Constance. Yes, thank you, sir. So, you know, I guess the problem is if the environment is not appropriate for sea grass, because the east wall is a losing sea grass. And that's exactly where there's supposed to be replanting.

3185
04:05:29,700 --> 04:05:31,900
And they're really throwing good money after bat.

3186
04:05:32,060 --> 04:05:34,760
It's just not going to work, so don't penalize that.

3187
04:05:34,980 --> 04:05:36,440
So I'm glad to hear.

3188
04:05:36,860 --> 04:05:38,440
Staff is on their side in degrees.

3189
04:05:38,620 --> 04:05:40,800
And I don't think any of us disagree with that.

3190
04:05:41,020 --> 04:05:42,180
Let's keep this moving forward.

3191
04:05:42,280 --> 04:05:44,060
And can we please get an update in about a month

3192
04:05:44,060 --> 04:05:47,340
and give us, you know, at maybe under administration,

3193
04:05:47,600 --> 04:05:48,380
comment or something.

3194
04:05:48,840 --> 04:05:50,140
But we just got to stay on top of this.

3195
04:05:50,140 --> 04:05:51,860
And I want them to know they're being heard

3196
04:05:51,860 --> 04:05:53,680
and that we're following up.

3197
04:05:54,360 --> 04:05:55,640
Another challenge we've had.

3198
04:05:55,800 --> 04:05:57,600
And we've dealt with this with a lot of different things,

3199
04:05:57,600 --> 04:05:58,920
just at a high level here.

3200
04:05:59,380 --> 04:06:04,220
We get technical experts in the community and there are technical experts like people.

3201
04:06:04,240 --> 04:06:08,180
This is what they've done and they want to provide input and want to be as part of the

3202
04:06:08,180 --> 04:06:13,180
negotiations but we can't really let that happen so we're trying to let them be part of it

3203
04:06:13,180 --> 04:06:16,560
but we're also in dealing with the agency they're like we're the applicant.

3204
04:06:16,640 --> 04:06:20,360
They have to talk with us so that's one of the challenges that we're trying to strike a balance

3205
04:06:20,360 --> 04:06:21,280
and work through.

3206
04:06:22,300 --> 04:06:22,800
Thank you.

3207
04:06:22,800 --> 04:06:29,620
Yeah, there was also a comment on the Pulti project and the quote unquote agreement that's

3208
04:06:29,620 --> 04:06:34,340
required with the state to grant an extension. I had a public discussion here from this

3209
04:06:34,340 --> 04:06:40,120
diet, specifically asking the county attorney if we're violating any kind of statute.

3210
04:06:40,440 --> 04:06:47,400
And if I remember right, Mr. David, you can correct me. My understanding is it's not defined

3211
04:06:47,400 --> 04:06:51,640
on what an agreement is in that particular section on granting an agreement.

3212
04:06:51,640 --> 04:06:55,780
And some counties throughout the state have a formal process where it comes back to the board.

3213
04:06:55,860 --> 04:06:56,680
Some don't.

3214
04:06:56,940 --> 04:07:01,820
And the agencies accept those extensions from staff to their staff.

3215
04:07:01,980 --> 04:07:03,140
That was my understanding.

3216
04:07:04,140 --> 04:07:04,460
That's correct.

3217
04:07:04,600 --> 04:07:05,160
That's a good summary.

3218
04:07:05,640 --> 04:07:06,240
Thank you.

3219
04:07:06,680 --> 04:07:13,100
So as far as doing something illegal on the extension, would you disagree with that?

3220
04:07:13,680 --> 04:07:16,940
Well, because we're being accused of doing things illegally on extensions.

3221
04:07:17,140 --> 04:07:18,020
I'm David County Attorney.

3222
04:07:18,660 --> 04:07:21,360
We're the counties in compliance with statute.

3223
04:07:22,080 --> 04:07:22,280
Yeah.

3224
04:07:22,460 --> 04:07:24,380
I understand that people disagree with that.

3225
04:07:25,420 --> 04:07:27,500
A lot of times you put a couple of lawyers in a room, you're going to get the

3226
04:07:27,500 --> 04:07:30,700
different answers, but it's hard as a county's answer is that we're in compliance.

3227
04:07:31,240 --> 04:07:35,400
I think the statements were, we kind of dropped the ball on following up on that, but

3228
04:07:35,400 --> 04:07:37,300
like I said, it was discussed publicly.

3229
04:07:37,340 --> 04:07:41,720
I asked that same question, and then I actually threw out to the board members.

3230
04:07:41,720 --> 04:07:47,520
Do we want to change our policy and make it so it does come to the board for approval

3231
04:07:47,520 --> 04:07:52,820
for extensions and we wanted at that point there there weren't three headnotes so we just kept

3232
04:07:52,820 --> 04:07:58,640
it as it is. It's an administrative thing on the extensions. Just to let you all know the

3233
04:07:58,640 --> 04:08:03,140
junior commission program is kicking it off I'll be taking the lead this time around on that.

3234
04:08:03,800 --> 04:08:07,880
We're setting updates we're getting out emails that enough any other commissioners for the next

3235
04:08:07,880 --> 04:08:12,100
time around if we're going to do this on rotation. I know I did the first one commission

3236
04:08:12,100 --> 04:08:17,700
to the last two and it's back to me again, but you don't need to answer now. I'm just throwing

3237
04:08:17,700 --> 04:08:21,740
it out there something to think about, so get ready for that that's coming around. I'm

3238
04:08:21,740 --> 04:08:26,280
sure sure. I think boiled down to where you and I were going to bounce back and forth because

3239
04:08:26,280 --> 04:08:31,120
nobody else really had a big interest in running a program. So if that's the way everybody still

3240
04:08:31,120 --> 04:08:33,780
feels and that's what we'll plan on doing next year or take lead again.

3241
04:08:36,300 --> 04:08:40,100
Also, I had, this was brought

3242
04:08:40,100 --> 04:08:45,380
And the last year about our teleworking program and bringing people back to work.

3243
04:08:45,920 --> 04:08:52,100
We went through an audit with the clerk and he made some recommendations to our administration

3244
04:08:52,100 --> 04:08:56,960
on our teleworking policy and it's speaking recently at my last staff meeting with Mr.

3245
04:08:56,960 --> 04:09:03,260
Four as he's implemented those recommendations and everybody's back to work except those

3246
04:09:03,260 --> 04:09:10,080
who do not we don't have a space for now that CCU has the new facility there that we're

3247
04:09:10,080 --> 04:09:15,260
people are back. So the only people who are working from home is some people from finance,

3248
04:09:15,520 --> 04:09:20,660
we don't yet have that space available, we're working on it, and people who have a medical

3249
04:09:20,660 --> 04:09:26,460
excuse to be working from home. And I believe was Commissioner Dordy who said he wanted to

3250
04:09:26,460 --> 04:09:32,880
make sure that at least the board's policy was consistent with administration in terms of our

3251
04:09:32,880 --> 04:09:37,740
department bringing everybody back to work. So I believe now we're ready to bring everybody back

3252
04:09:37,740 --> 04:09:45,340
work. So I just wanted to put that out there, as far as working from home. I brought up

3253
04:09:45,340 --> 04:09:50,340
at the last meeting, a copy of our travel budget over the last four or five years

3254
04:09:50,340 --> 04:09:56,440
I understand everybody has it, but I'm not sure if staff had a clear head nod. I propose

3255
04:09:56,440 --> 04:09:59,840
to roll those back to at least 20-22 levels.

3256
04:10:00,140 --> 04:10:07,360
They went from roughly 500,000 to 900,000, a lot of it was CCU, but a little bit from each department.

3257
04:10:08,000 --> 04:10:14,000
I just want to make sure it's clear that we're directing staff to bring something back to the board during this budget cycle

3258
04:10:14,000 --> 04:10:18,240
to help curb those costs. Is that correct, gentlemen? Or did I get that wrong?

3259
04:10:19,120 --> 04:10:20,180
Commissioner Director. Thank you, sir.

3260
04:10:21,000 --> 04:10:27,360
I'm not sure we had headphones on that, but what I will say is, I think we need to take a look at it, workshop it, and decide,

3261
04:10:27,360 --> 04:10:35,540
you know with administrations guidance which which of these because some of these programs are very important for the folks to get these accredited nations into

3262
04:10:35,540 --> 04:10:42,800
continue the professionalism of the departments. So I'd really like to have an understanding of what they are so that we can

3263
04:10:42,800 --> 04:10:47,520
do this with a scalpel and not a chainsaw. That's an excellent idea. I don't object to that.

3264
04:10:47,820 --> 04:10:56,380
I actually asked actor at one point it was a while ago, you know, you bring me something back with your recommendations after you get with your directors and see what could be cut.

3265
04:10:56,380 --> 04:11:01,880
So that we have had nods to bring that that you know, so we can work with a scalpel maybe it'll work shop bring that back

3266
04:11:03,060 --> 04:11:06,420
Work shop. Okay, we've got five had nods. We've got scalples here

3267
04:11:09,760 --> 04:11:15,580
Okay, we've got a long day with land juice. So I think whatever else I have I'm good

3268
04:11:16,040 --> 04:11:18,060
Commissioner do I I'm going to circle back

3269
04:11:18,840 --> 04:11:20,860
This is your fourth and last call

3270
04:11:21,380 --> 04:11:25,860
Okay, all right, we're good. Okay, so that ends my comments

3271
04:11:25,860 --> 04:11:30,020
And so we are now at a 2 p.m. land use agenda.

3272
04:11:31,060 --> 04:11:34,520
Anybody giving testimony today on any of the land use items, if you're going to speak

3273
04:11:35,160 --> 04:11:40,080
on consent or regular land use agenda, please stand up and be sworn and take your oath

3274
04:11:40,080 --> 04:11:40,660
with the clerk.

3275
04:11:41,560 --> 04:11:44,260
Anybody giving testimony, please stand and take the oath.

3276
04:11:45,300 --> 04:11:46,820
Please raise your right hand.

3277
04:11:47,160 --> 04:11:49,740
Do you solemnly swear the testimony that you're about to give?

3278
04:11:49,740 --> 04:11:50,420
I need your right hand.

3279
04:11:50,580 --> 04:11:51,340
Thank you.

3280
04:11:51,500 --> 04:11:54,980
Do you solemnly swear the testimony that you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth,

3281
04:11:54,980 --> 04:11:57,060
nothing but the truth, please say I do.

3282
04:11:58,460 --> 04:11:59,940
Okay, thank you.

3283
04:12:00,360 --> 04:12:03,000
Okay, so I'm going to open up the public input.

3284
04:12:03,180 --> 04:12:06,220
This is for land use consent agenda items only.

3285
04:12:06,420 --> 04:12:10,740
That's VA1 through VA8.

3286
04:12:11,040 --> 04:12:12,420
These are consent items.

3287
04:12:13,400 --> 04:12:18,340
If you're here for the regular agenda items for land use,

3288
04:12:18,340 --> 04:12:19,620
we'll get to those next.

3289
04:12:22,130 --> 04:12:24,630
Okay, is there anybody wishing to speak on consent only?

3290
04:12:24,630 --> 04:12:27,010
Please come forward, state your name.

3291
04:12:27,390 --> 04:12:36,730
You will have three minutes, and I have Dr. Mary Ellen Kiss on V-A-2.

3292
04:12:37,530 --> 04:12:37,850
Good question.

3293
04:12:38,670 --> 04:12:39,630
V-A-2.

3294
04:12:40,650 --> 04:12:45,270
Dr. Mary Ellen Kiss, representing the Brunster Accordor Coalition.

3295
04:12:46,450 --> 04:12:51,370
The Brunster Accordor Coalition respectfully requests that the Board of

3296
04:12:51,370 --> 04:12:59,350
on a commissioners defer approval of the proposed modification to the B.D. P.D. final

3297
04:12:59,350 --> 04:13:07,670
detail, site plan, D.R.C. 25142, which would increase the development by 100 additional

3298
04:13:07,670 --> 04:13:10,430
dwelling units, and this is Cassie of A.

3299
04:13:11,530 --> 04:13:19,170
Other proposed units, 96, would be located within the coastal high hazard area, raising significant

3300
04:13:19,170 --> 04:13:26,210
concerns about their potential impacts on the water shed, storm water management, and the drainage

3301
04:13:26,210 --> 04:13:28,250
capacity of the surrounding area.

3302
04:13:29,270 --> 04:13:34,570
We are particularly concerned about the existing homes along SRAM route, which directly

3303
04:13:34,570 --> 04:13:41,150
adjoined the expansion area and may be especially vulnerable to existing in future flooding conditions.

3304
04:13:41,930 --> 04:13:47,310
As the board is aware, the final burnt storage drainage report prepared by Kim Lee Horen has

3305
04:13:47,310 --> 04:13:51,910
have recently been released. Our coalition is currently reviewing the report's findings

3306
04:13:51,910 --> 04:13:58,390
and recommendations to identify the highest priority drainage improvement projects

3307
04:13:58,390 --> 04:14:03,930
and to evaluate the corrective actions and launch from safeguards needed to address

3308
04:14:03,930 --> 04:14:08,190
persistent drainage watershed and flooding issues throughout the corridor.

3309
04:14:08,870 --> 04:14:15,190
Until that review has been completed, and the county has determined how it will be implemented

3310
04:14:15,190 --> 04:14:23,690
three fourth recommendations, we believe would be premature to approve additional residential

3311
04:14:23,690 --> 04:14:31,190
density in this area. Accordingly, we respectfully urge the board to defer consideration

3312
04:14:31,190 --> 04:14:38,530
of this request and to refrain from approving any increase in dwelling units within existing

3313
04:14:38,530 --> 04:14:45,450
developments, whether through transfers of density, reductions in designated flood mitigation

3314
04:14:45,450 --> 04:14:47,910
areas or other mechanisms.

3315
04:14:48,990 --> 04:14:54,490
Until these critical drainage and flood mitigation concerns have an adequately addressed,

3316
04:14:55,790 --> 04:14:59,970
we do not think action should be taken to approve.

3317
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:02,960
Any of these expansion projects? Thank you.

3318
04:15:02,960 --> 04:15:08,140
Thank you for comments, ma'am. Anybody else wishing to speak on consent items only? Please come forward,

3319
04:15:08,280 --> 04:15:13,600
state-general, if the record, you will have three minutes. Okay, I'm seeing nobody rise.

3320
04:15:13,820 --> 04:15:16,380
I'm going to go through the consent commission. Oh, wait a minute. Don't you?

3321
04:15:16,500 --> 04:15:18,640
Don't you? I'm sorry. Mr. Richie, you're recognized.

3322
04:15:20,960 --> 04:15:22,940
Just state, state, your name, and which item?

3323
04:15:24,920 --> 04:15:39,570
Tim Richie, and I'm going to be talking about the exact same item Dr. Kis was just speaking about that's V-A-2

3324
04:15:39,570 --> 04:15:43,870
V-A-2, what will do V-A-1 V-A-2?

3325
04:15:45,350 --> 04:15:46,890
We're a lump of mull in there.

3326
04:15:48,710 --> 04:15:53,470
You know, it was really interesting if you all were listening to the Metro Forecast earlier

3327
04:15:54,910 --> 04:16:06,170
you know, we never heard we need a hospital. Now one word. And so I see in VA1 you want to

3328
04:16:06,170 --> 04:16:15,570
do 204 units and then in VA2 you want to 100 single family lots and some 96 lots within

3329
04:16:15,570 --> 04:16:17,750
the coastal high hazard area.

3330
04:16:22,050 --> 04:16:26,610
We are right now the peace river and the myacca river with

3331
04:16:26,610 --> 04:16:34,190
All the rain, which wasn't very much rain, everybody, is still, if the lowest water marks

3332
04:16:34,190 --> 04:16:38,970
they've been in history, Commissioner Dordy, Commissioner Constance, Commissioner to

3333
04:16:38,970 --> 04:16:45,510
say, oh Commissioner to X and Commissioner to H. Did you hear that? The lowest water

3334
04:16:45,510 --> 04:16:53,120
levels ever. Now I just heard, you know, Brandon Moody's going to get involved and we're

3335
04:16:53,120 --> 04:16:59,740
get this one and we're going to get that one. But what's the one common denominator? Commissioner

3336
04:16:59,740 --> 04:17:08,220
Dordy? Why don't wealt the oysters take? I want everybody in this chamber in the county to hear

3337
04:17:08,220 --> 04:17:15,000
this answer. They will not take because there is toxic, polluted water in the peace river.

3338
04:17:15,840 --> 04:17:21,180
Now I have a friend of mine who made a comment the other day on one of my post on Facebook and he's been

3339
04:17:21,180 --> 04:17:27,620
the peace river longer than any of you ever have he's had his children in the peace river

3340
04:17:27,620 --> 04:17:34,980
the day they came back from the hospital and he can still water ski barefoot and you know he said

3341
04:17:34,980 --> 04:17:43,980
the water color of the river has changed drastically why all every river is a different color

3342
04:17:43,980 --> 04:17:46,120
from Tampa Bay to Charlotte Harbor.

3343
04:17:46,780 --> 04:17:47,880
You know, why Miss Chow?

3344
04:17:48,180 --> 04:17:51,100
Because of phosphate mining, discharging.

3345
04:17:52,300 --> 04:17:55,960
Now you guys wanna continue to approve more houses.

3346
04:17:56,420 --> 04:17:57,000
Guess what?

3347
04:17:57,060 --> 04:17:59,660
There's 11,000 houses for sale right now

3348
04:17:59,660 --> 04:18:00,880
in Charlotte County.

3349
04:18:02,300 --> 04:18:05,640
How can you in with college educations?

3350
04:18:07,320 --> 04:18:11,800
How can you rubber stamp more staff?

3351
04:18:11,800 --> 04:18:19,480
You hear that? I'm not telling the commissioner, staff, robber, staff, and this stuff, and they're not following the rules.

3352
04:18:20,860 --> 04:18:25,900
Because we are investigating the black and white, and you know what we're seeing?

3353
04:18:26,420 --> 04:18:27,760
It doesn't add up.

3354
04:18:28,920 --> 04:18:29,520
Thank you, sir.

3355
04:18:30,100 --> 04:18:30,760
Thank you.

3356
04:18:31,000 --> 04:18:34,520
Anybody else wishing to speak on consent items, consent land use?

3357
04:18:35,920 --> 04:18:36,120
Okay.

3358
04:18:36,240 --> 04:18:38,360
Seeing nobody rise, Commissioner Doge, anything to pull?

3359
04:18:38,580 --> 04:18:40,900
Yeah, let's pull VA2 and talk about it.

3360
04:18:40,900 --> 04:18:45,000
Okay, sorry, dv-82, commissioner, tru-x.

3361
04:18:45,920 --> 04:18:46,960
Mr. Constance, nothing, sir.

3362
04:18:47,120 --> 04:18:47,660
Commissioner Dordy.

3363
04:18:47,780 --> 04:18:48,980
Nothing. I have nothing else to do.

3364
04:18:48,980 --> 04:18:49,500
Move the balance.

3365
04:18:50,260 --> 04:18:51,940
We have motion to second to move the balance.

3366
04:18:52,400 --> 04:18:53,500
Is there any further discussion?

3367
04:18:54,200 --> 04:18:55,460
Is there any opposition to the motion?

3368
04:18:56,040 --> 04:18:58,180
Okay, the balance has been approved of consent.

3369
04:18:58,580 --> 04:19:00,080
Commissioner Dordy, you pulled v-82.

3370
04:19:00,620 --> 04:19:02,260
Mr. Shao, you recognized to present.

3371
04:19:02,940 --> 04:19:03,720
Oh, it's quasi.

3372
04:19:04,400 --> 04:19:04,840
Disclosures.

3373
04:19:06,840 --> 04:19:07,280
Commissioner...

3374
04:19:07,280 --> 04:19:07,740
Yeah, sorry.

3375
04:19:07,740 --> 04:19:09,520
that my record.

3376
04:19:10,040 --> 04:19:11,300
I can't convince you to trust.

3377
04:19:12,420 --> 04:19:12,800
I can't convince you to.

3378
04:19:12,800 --> 04:19:13,140
I can't convince you to.

3379
04:19:13,700 --> 04:19:14,240
I can't convince you to.

3380
04:19:14,660 --> 04:19:17,260
I'm a monthly staff briefing with community development

3381
04:19:17,260 --> 04:19:19,880
of the county attorney's office and file my paper for this morning.

3382
04:19:20,180 --> 04:19:24,180
I had my monthly staff meeting and I also received an email

3383
04:19:24,180 --> 04:19:27,900
from Dr. Kiss and I filed my disclosures.

3384
04:19:52,760 --> 04:19:54,320
You're recognized when you're ready.

3385
04:19:56,060 --> 04:19:56,680
Whenever you're ready.

3386
04:20:12,530 --> 04:20:17,790
I don't have a agenda, I think, maybe it's this one. I'm sorry. Good afternoon for the record.

3387
04:20:18,450 --> 04:20:31,190
J.H.L. Community Development Department. This petition DRC-26-027 is a fine PD-final detail site plan.

3388
04:20:31,190 --> 04:20:41,290
So, it's requesting a modification of PD-5.0 detail site print DRC25-142, approved for

3389
04:20:41,290 --> 04:20:48,050
Cassier Bay, formula as cross-wing and previous, it's called simple life.

3390
04:20:48,590 --> 04:20:56,850
And the proposed project consists of in coverage 96 knots within the coastal high-haz area and

3391
04:20:56,850 --> 04:21:04,730
four lots within the Namco Stoha has area for total of 100 single family lots. So the entire

3392
04:21:04,730 --> 04:21:13,010
project contains 6, 6, 8, 4, 3 acres and is located to the east side of Bernstow Road and

3393
04:21:13,010 --> 04:21:20,590
we can come to district 2. So this is general location of the subject property and this is the

3394
04:21:20,590 --> 04:21:26,890
image of the subject property at 4-inch. You can see that's located to east side of

3395
04:21:26,890 --> 04:21:35,710
Bernstow Road. And this is 2026, EagleView image of the subject property. And the property

3396
04:21:35,710 --> 04:21:43,010
is on the PD, so I just wanted to be aware. This project, this original PD was down in 2007,

3397
04:21:43,010 --> 04:21:48,010
and they have five major modifications for this project.

3398
04:21:48,330 --> 04:21:55,830
So they have single-family homes, have modular homes, they have the last time was done, which was last year.

3399
04:21:56,750 --> 04:22:00,390
So the board approved PD rezoning for this site.

3400
04:22:00,630 --> 04:22:05,450
The site has the development rights up to 230 units.

3401
04:22:06,130 --> 04:22:12,490
And I believe last year, just transfer the density, I'm sorry, actually this year.

3402
04:22:12,490 --> 04:22:19,790
in February, March, they just transfer 95 coastal high has a density because portion of the

3403
04:22:19,790 --> 04:22:27,330
project is located within the coastal high has area. So, three years ago, they did transfer

3404
04:22:27,330 --> 04:22:33,950
2024 non- coastal high has a density to the subject property. The base density for site is six units.

3405
04:22:34,850 --> 04:22:41,630
So last year, they did major modification. So they changed the layout of the PD concept plan.

3406
04:22:41,630 --> 04:22:45,390
So there are portion of the density,

3407
04:22:45,690 --> 04:22:47,810
we'll be locating the coastal high-heather area.

3408
04:22:48,290 --> 04:22:52,790
So that's why early this year, they filed the TDIU

3409
04:22:52,790 --> 04:22:59,550
and CSE, they certified the 95 non-c coastal high-heather density

3410
04:22:59,550 --> 04:23:04,130
off the site and placed 95 coastal high-heather units

3411
04:23:04,130 --> 04:23:05,250
onto the site.

3412
04:23:05,730 --> 04:23:08,270
So that was done and approved by the board,

3413
04:23:08,570 --> 04:23:09,890
by the resolution.

3414
04:23:09,890 --> 04:23:16,910
So, basically, as of today, the site has six base density units which could be located in the coastal

3415
04:23:16,910 --> 04:23:22,510
high-haz area, and 95 transfer the coastal high-haz density on the site.

3416
04:23:23,050 --> 04:23:29,770
So, this is actually the phase two of this PD, so they are come for 100 units, 96 units

3417
04:23:29,770 --> 04:23:34,770
will be located in the coastal high-haz area, and 4 is located outside coastal high-haz area.

3418
04:23:34,770 --> 04:23:42,490
So, you can see this is the flood zone, you can see the flood zone 9AEX and D, the very

3419
04:23:42,490 --> 04:23:43,310
flood zone.

3420
04:23:44,470 --> 04:23:53,030
And this is the Cypren, which you can see to the left, this is the phase 1 for 120 units.

3421
04:23:53,570 --> 04:23:59,310
And then this is the nearest one they are requesting for this major modification for the approval

3422
04:23:59,310 --> 04:24:00,470
for phase 2.

3423
04:24:00,470 --> 04:24:05,590
there will have 96 resident units will be located in the coastal high

3424
04:24:05,590 --> 04:24:09,150
has area and four units will be located outside the coastal high

3425
04:24:09,150 --> 04:24:13,490
has area and this final detail safe and compliance with all PD

3426
04:24:13,490 --> 04:24:17,170
conditions. Commissioner do you have a question. Yeah I just want to clarify

3427
04:24:17,170 --> 04:24:26,330
this. Right now the site is a total of 68 acres is that correct? Yes. What

3428
04:24:26,330 --> 04:24:31,290
approved right now on that site. The PD is only approved

3429
04:24:31,290 --> 04:24:35,870
site for up to 2030 units total. How many?

3430
04:24:36,350 --> 04:24:43,370
230. So they could go build 230 units on it right now.

3431
04:24:43,770 --> 04:24:46,450
Yes. So they are coming for final detail site plan.

3432
04:24:46,590 --> 04:24:50,410
That's approved by the PD. So it's already been approved for those units.

3433
04:24:50,410 --> 04:24:58,270
Yes. Okay. And does this add another 100? If we approve this? No, because of your approved.

3434
04:24:58,290 --> 04:24:59,830
That's over it. That 100's in.

3435
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:08,000
That it was a little confusing reading this, because it looks like we're adding 100 single family units to that.

3436
04:25:08,980 --> 04:25:18,620
Yes, it's approved the 2030. They did the face 1, approved for 122 units, so this is for 100 units, so this is the face 2 for this experiment.

3437
04:25:18,720 --> 04:25:27,080
Let me try. If we approve this today, they'll only be able to build 100, not 200, is that correct?

3438
04:25:27,080 --> 04:25:35,100
For this phase is 100. For phase 1, the 122, which is green. So for whole site, if you approve today,

3439
04:25:35,500 --> 04:25:43,980
there were built 222 units. But the PD resuming approve the residential drum rights up to 230 units.

3440
04:25:45,060 --> 04:25:47,560
But that's already been approved, you said. Yes.

3441
04:25:50,630 --> 04:25:53,330
And this does not add any units.

3442
04:25:53,970 --> 04:25:54,010
No.

3443
04:25:57,820 --> 04:25:58,700
What does this do?

3444
04:25:58,700 --> 04:26:02,620
this is final pd final detail site plan

3445
04:26:02,620 --> 04:26:05,700
according to 3-945 pd

3446
04:26:06,300 --> 04:26:08,340
so you have pd concept plan

3447
04:26:08,340 --> 04:26:09,620
the reason you're approval

3448
04:26:09,620 --> 04:26:12,000
and they will come back to the board

3449
04:26:12,000 --> 04:26:13,660
to approve the final details

3450
04:26:13,660 --> 04:26:14,820
so what we do today

3451
04:26:14,820 --> 04:26:16,880
has no effect on the number of units

3452
04:26:16,880 --> 04:26:17,940
that's consistent

3453
04:26:18,220 --> 04:26:18,820
you're correct

3454
04:26:19,220 --> 04:26:20,840
all right thank you

3455
04:26:20,840 --> 04:26:23,840
thank you sir

3456
04:26:23,840 --> 04:26:24,620
are you done with your presentation

3457
04:26:24,620 --> 04:26:26,000
Mr. Shao

3458
04:26:26,000 --> 04:26:26,620
yes I'm sorry

3459
04:26:26,620 --> 04:26:27,760
I didn't know if you had any more

3460
04:26:28,220 --> 04:26:29,080
you're all done okay

3461
04:26:29,080 --> 04:26:30,260
any questions for staff

3462
04:26:31,280 --> 04:26:36,860
Okay, we're going to open up this item for public, well, we already had public.

3463
04:26:38,040 --> 04:26:38,800
Yeah, now we did.

3464
04:26:39,120 --> 04:26:39,360
That's right.

3465
04:26:39,740 --> 04:26:40,420
That's right.

3466
04:26:41,620 --> 04:26:44,020
Ever since we went to consent on lands, you said that.

3467
04:26:45,340 --> 04:26:45,800
That's right.

3468
04:26:46,300 --> 04:26:46,480
Okay.

3469
04:26:46,800 --> 04:26:49,040
Anybody wishing to speak on this item.

3470
04:26:49,960 --> 04:26:51,820
Please come forward, state your name for the record.

3471
04:26:57,440 --> 04:27:00,380
Hi, my name is Samuel Turpinning, Charlotte County resident.

3472
04:27:01,480 --> 04:27:04,620
I'm talking about the Sandy Shelmines and Charlotte County.

3473
04:27:04,620 --> 04:27:09,700
No, this is for this item. If for VA 2 for the Cassia Bay.

3474
04:27:10,060 --> 04:27:13,540
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. No problem. No problem.

3475
04:27:14,280 --> 04:27:17,340
Anybody else who's going to speak on VA 2?

3476
04:27:18,000 --> 04:27:21,040
Yeah, good afternoon, commissioners.

3477
04:27:21,220 --> 04:27:25,400
Well, I'll tell you what. Everybody take a good look at this.

3478
04:27:25,860 --> 04:27:26,440
Pulti.

3479
04:27:28,040 --> 04:27:33,240
If you go online right now and you put in, do Pulti build quality homes?

3480
04:27:33,240 --> 04:27:36,060
don't be shocked at what you read.

3481
04:27:40,340 --> 04:27:41,020
I mean,

3482
04:27:43,260 --> 04:27:46,240
do you know how many millions of gallons of

3483
04:27:46,240 --> 04:27:54,700
water are used from pulp? Hearty, decetal, manatee, city of Northport, city of Pantagora

3484
04:27:54,700 --> 04:27:55,880
in Charlotte County,

3485
04:27:58,400 --> 04:28:06,920
and you guys actually think we have the extra water to give to

3486
04:28:06,920 --> 04:28:08,260
these developers,

3487
04:28:10,640 --> 04:28:13,620
corporate captured, corporate

3488
04:28:13,620 --> 04:28:14,360
colonialism.

3489
04:28:14,820 --> 04:28:16,720
That's what's going on here, everybody.

3490
04:28:18,780 --> 04:28:20,940
Because truly at this point in time,

3491
04:28:21,660 --> 04:28:23,840
unfortunately, one of the most intelligent

3492
04:28:23,840 --> 04:28:27,300
man that ever used to stand before this chamber

3493
04:28:27,300 --> 04:28:28,880
is not here.

3494
04:28:29,820 --> 04:28:31,840
And that's Mr. Richard Russell.

3495
04:28:34,080 --> 04:28:38,940
Mr. Richard Russell is a fountain of information.

3496
04:28:40,440 --> 04:28:43,480
And what would he be telling all of you right now?

3497
04:28:43,720 --> 04:28:45,640
You guys didn't listen to me.

3498
04:28:45,880 --> 04:28:47,920
What was it three or four years ago?

3499
04:28:48,060 --> 04:28:50,960
He was in here when he suggested the moratorium,

3500
04:28:51,460 --> 04:28:54,840
a no more issuing of building permits.

3501
04:28:56,880 --> 04:28:57,980
And you know what?

3502
04:29:00,170 --> 04:29:05,050
We got C, C, D, B, I, A.

3503
04:29:08,120 --> 04:29:10,860
We got tons of paid a plan in this county.

3504
04:29:11,620 --> 04:29:22,220
And we have 11,000 houses for sale, and then you all want to come here, 95 houses are in the high flood coastal zone area, the flood plain area.

3505
04:29:24,200 --> 04:29:31,360
Why would you guys want to approve something? Why would you want to approve any more housing development in the county?

3506
04:29:33,220 --> 04:29:39,040
You know, I had a lovely talk with Dr. Pitz. I'm sure you all know Richard.

3507
04:29:40,280 --> 04:29:48,200
He's not a dummy, you know what he and I talk about now, we don't talk about water quality,

3508
04:29:49,700 --> 04:29:58,180
we talk about water quantity, and what's going to be available to all of us, and I want

3509
04:29:58,180 --> 04:29:59,980
Everybody in this chamber in it

3510
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:08,780
In the county in the city to understand, do you want to know where we're all headed? We're headed to toilet to tap.

3511
04:30:11,920 --> 04:30:21,880
Because our representation will not get in front of this.

3512
04:30:22,660 --> 04:30:27,720
You refuse to help me save the peace in the My Act in Charlotte Harbor.

3513
04:30:27,980 --> 04:30:30,140
You refuse for

3514
04:30:32,540 --> 04:30:33,560
serious about it.

3515
04:30:33,580 --> 04:30:35,320
You would tell Jennifer and seeing it.

3516
04:30:35,380 --> 04:30:38,000
You're going to meet with Dan and you're going to meet with me.

3517
04:30:38,200 --> 04:30:39,820
And we're going to come up with a plan.

3518
04:30:40,580 --> 04:30:50,680
Not about money, and we come back to this, air, land, and water, air, land, and waters,

3519
04:30:50,920 --> 04:30:55,520
what we govern here, and you know what, we've run out of guys, water.

3520
04:30:57,060 --> 04:31:02,620
After this meeting, I have to head out to Disoto County, because of the moratorium vote

3521
04:31:02,620 --> 04:31:04,000
on the AI data center.

3522
04:31:04,280 --> 04:31:08,960
I wish I could be in Manatee County today, because they're having a moratorium vote on

3523
04:31:08,960 --> 04:31:16,680
a-idata center and you know what they want to do they want to build a nuclear reactor to generate

3524
04:31:16,680 --> 04:31:24,100
the power for the a-idata center they want to build a north port. Now I've just about

3525
04:31:24,100 --> 04:31:34,980
have had it with the lack of action. We don't want to hear about change. We want improvements.

3526
04:31:34,980 --> 04:31:36,240
We

3527
04:31:39,440 --> 04:31:49,160
don't have the water guys, every time any one of us in this chamber do 10 to 50 prompts.

3528
04:31:50,700 --> 04:31:56,100
That's one bottle of water, 550 milliliters, Dr. Constance.

3529
04:31:56,520 --> 04:32:00,980
And do you know what it costs to send an email, attorney term?

3530
04:32:01,420 --> 04:32:06,440
It costs a tall bottle of 850 milliliters of water.

3531
04:32:08,100 --> 04:32:19,500
And you guys, you got to help us tell them no today, show all of us who voted for you guys that you're with us.

3532
04:32:19,500 --> 04:32:20,100
Thank you.

3533
04:32:21,140 --> 04:32:21,540
Thank you.

3534
04:32:21,540 --> 04:32:21,660
Thank you.

3535
04:32:21,740 --> 04:32:23,120
Anybody else wish to speak on this item.

3536
04:32:23,140 --> 04:32:23,740
Please come forward.

3537
04:32:23,820 --> 04:32:25,280
You'll have five minutes to date your name.

3538
04:32:25,820 --> 04:32:27,220
This is on V-A-2.

3539
04:32:27,460 --> 04:32:28,280
Cassie-A-B.

3540
04:32:35,490 --> 04:32:36,190
Good afternoon Richard.

3541
04:32:36,790 --> 04:32:38,510
Little Charlotte County residents.

3542
04:32:40,270 --> 04:32:42,930
I believe that's what they call a final detailed site plan.

3543
04:32:42,930 --> 04:32:48,250
up until six weeks, maybe two months ago, I had no idea what that is.

3544
04:32:48,610 --> 04:32:49,630
I'm learning fast.

3545
04:32:50,970 --> 04:32:53,870
This is more for the audience at home and even watching some TV.

3546
04:32:54,010 --> 04:32:57,310
This is not the time to get involved because a final detail

3547
04:32:57,310 --> 04:32:59,390
site plan comes with something called conditions.

3548
04:33:00,850 --> 04:33:03,750
Unless you can, in, in peach, one of those conditions,

3549
04:33:04,530 --> 04:33:06,910
this is going through, not just this development,

3550
04:33:07,330 --> 04:33:09,670
every development afterwards, if it gets this far.

3551
04:33:09,670 --> 04:33:19,610
Folks, if you want to rain in development in this county, you've got to get involved at the meetings far before it ever gets to the final detail site plan.

3552
04:33:20,850 --> 04:33:27,870
Unfortunately, I think if there's no fault in the conditions here, this is going to be approved regardless of how many vacant lots there are.

3553
04:33:29,430 --> 04:33:31,950
Because it's gotten to the final detail site plan.

3554
04:33:31,950 --> 04:33:35,150
So folks at home get involved far beyond

3555
04:33:36,270 --> 04:33:42,850
Let's get to a final detail site plan. Thanks for your time. Thank you sir anybody else wishing to speak on VA 2 please come forward

3556
04:33:42,850 --> 04:33:44,710
State your name for the record you'll have five minutes

3557
04:33:46,910 --> 04:33:47,950
Last call

3558
04:33:47,950 --> 04:33:54,710
Mr. Chairman I see no one else rising and move to close public input second motion exactly close public input is ready for the discussion

3559
04:33:54,710 --> 04:33:58,450
Is there any opposition to the motion public input is closed

3560
04:34:00,370 --> 04:34:03,130
Commissioner Dordy Mr. Chairman

3561
04:34:03,130 --> 04:34:05,370
move approval of A2.

3562
04:34:05,590 --> 04:34:08,490
So, we have motion second to approve the A2, is there any further discussion?

3563
04:34:09,370 --> 04:34:16,890
Yeah, I just would like to say, yeah, we are at final site plan review, which means it's gone through a progression of public hearings and meetings.

3564
04:34:17,550 --> 04:34:23,450
I think if you look at the staff report, this was done in 2000. What was that again?

3565
04:34:23,490 --> 04:34:25,610
When did it first come back? Was 2000.

3566
04:34:26,450 --> 04:34:27,870
You first for a rezoning?

3567
04:34:27,950 --> 04:34:28,230
Yeah.

3568
04:34:28,230 --> 04:34:29,770
I'll give you two on seven.

3569
04:34:30,010 --> 04:34:30,470
Yeah, two thousand.

3570
04:34:30,670 --> 04:34:31,370
Two five times.

3571
04:34:31,770 --> 04:34:33,430
Yeah, so yeah, this isn't new.

3572
04:34:33,530 --> 04:34:34,070
It's come back.

3573
04:34:34,250 --> 04:34:36,630
There's different iterations and some changes over the years.

3574
04:34:37,050 --> 04:34:40,250
But I think one of the speakers that prompted this to be pulled,

3575
04:34:40,650 --> 04:34:44,590
we weren't adding units in excess of what it was already approved for.

3576
04:34:44,630 --> 04:34:47,310
I think that was the point that the board wanted to make.

3577
04:34:47,330 --> 04:34:49,950
This is within the existing 230 units.

3578
04:34:50,090 --> 04:34:50,670
It's not extra.

3579
04:34:51,030 --> 04:34:53,590
It's what was already entitled to the property.

3580
04:34:53,790 --> 04:34:55,510
So I just want to make sure we got that on the record.

3581
04:34:56,050 --> 04:34:57,510
Is there any further discussion on this item?

3582
04:34:57,510 --> 04:34:59,010
Is there any opposition?

3583
04:35:00,270 --> 04:35:14,670
Hearing none, the passage unanimously, five to zero. We are now going to move on to regular land use, VB1, and that is quasi-judicial. I start to my left, Commissioner Dogech. Anything to disclose?

3584
04:35:15,290 --> 04:35:15,290
Yeah,

3585
04:35:17,920 --> 04:35:18,800
your microphone, sir.

3586
04:35:19,000 --> 04:35:25,320
Yeah, I met with staff when I visited the site. No, there were some neighbors there. I don't recall their name, too. I saw it.

3587
04:35:25,320 --> 04:35:26,060
Commissioner Director.

3588
04:35:26,560 --> 04:35:26,940
No disclosure.

3589
04:35:27,680 --> 04:35:28,500
Commissioner Constance.

3590
04:35:28,940 --> 04:35:33,660
I received some emails and other information I've signed that it's disclosure documents.

3591
04:35:34,420 --> 04:35:35,280
Commissioner Dorey.

3592
04:35:35,460 --> 04:35:36,260
I have a lot, sir.

3593
04:35:36,960 --> 04:35:42,520
I have my monthly staff briefing with community development, county attorney's office, and actually

3594
04:35:42,520 --> 04:35:44,580
public works on this item.

3595
04:35:45,060 --> 04:35:51,320
I also had a meeting with Richard and Susie Little, and they discussed they want to discuss

3596
04:35:51,320 --> 04:35:52,600
many of the conditions.

3597
04:35:52,600 --> 04:36:02,020
also the earth moving code 3-5-478 and 3-5-479 other items but that was the bulk of the

3598
04:36:02,020 --> 04:36:10,020
conversation and yeah a numerous emails which I filed all of that this morning thank you sir

3599
04:36:10,020 --> 04:36:14,740
yeah I also met with staff met with the littles and received numerous emails all of that was

3600
04:36:14,740 --> 04:36:16,940
filed, and I filed my paperwork.

3601
04:36:18,160 --> 04:36:21,960
OK, you are recognized, Mr. Shao, to present VB1.

3602
04:36:23,140 --> 04:36:24,520
Good afternoon, for the record.

3603
04:36:25,140 --> 04:36:26,920
J. Shao, Community Development Department.

3604
04:36:27,480 --> 04:36:33,260
Regarding my planning, my qualification as a planning expert,

3605
04:36:33,740 --> 04:36:36,580
I hold a bachelor's of architecture degree

3606
04:36:36,580 --> 04:36:40,000
and a master of community planning degree.

3607
04:36:40,480 --> 04:36:42,740
I have been employed by Charlotte County

3608
04:36:42,740 --> 04:36:47,080
as a professional planner for more than 22 years.

3609
04:36:49,800 --> 04:37:02,000
Southwest Engineering and Design is requesting application DRC 25-075, which is a PD-Final

3610
04:37:02,000 --> 04:37:06,720
detail site plan approval for the water side restoration project.

3611
04:37:06,720 --> 04:37:22,800
This project site contains approximately 293.31 acres and is located north of Burma Road in the East County, and the subject property is also located in Commission District 1.

3612
04:37:26,150 --> 04:37:37,010
This is the area image of the subject property. This is 226 Egoview image of the subject property.

3613
04:37:38,050 --> 04:37:43,910
and this is the area image of the subject property at 4-inch.

3614
04:37:45,490 --> 04:37:51,510
The subject property is designated as raw committee mixed use

3615
04:37:51,510 --> 04:37:54,950
and with the planned development reasoning.

3616
04:37:55,670 --> 04:37:59,790
So I would like to provide a brief history of the property.

3617
04:37:59,790 --> 04:38:09,630
This application was originally scheduled for consideration by the board on May 26, 2026, as a

3618
04:38:09,630 --> 04:38:16,990
consent agenda item. As the board request, it was presented during the public hearing and

3619
04:38:16,990 --> 04:38:21,650
subsequently continued to today's public hearing. That's why we're here.

3620
04:38:21,650 --> 04:38:47,250
So, May 23rd, 2023. The board of county commissioners approved ordinance number 2023-020 for PD-only for approximately 740 acres, and the subject property for this PD-final detail stipend is the eastern portion of the property.

3621
04:38:47,250 --> 04:39:11,650
And today's hearing is required by Sharkerny Code Sections Redash 945 Plan Development to ensure that the proposed PD-final detail side print is consistent with adopted PD-conditioned content in adopted ordinance number 2023-020.

3622
04:39:11,650 --> 04:39:21,250
So, specifically, on the screen is approved and adopt a PD-convishing A, which says that the

3623
04:39:21,250 --> 04:39:29,010
development consists of two phases as shown on the proposed Genopity concept plan.

3624
04:39:29,450 --> 04:39:37,510
So, I would like to clarify the use of Phase 1 and Phase 2 in this PD-Resony is solely for

3625
04:39:37,510 --> 04:39:42,750
location purposes, and it's not intended to represent the conventional,

3626
04:39:43,230 --> 04:39:45,690
commercially phasing of the project.

3627
04:39:50,160 --> 04:39:55,600
So approved and adopted PD condition be listed permitted activities

3628
04:39:55,600 --> 04:39:58,060
and uses in phase one.

3629
04:39:58,840 --> 04:39:59,980
So there are a total of...

3630
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:07,920
7 permitted activities and uses. You can see on the screen the first one is a restoration project, and

3631
04:40:07,920 --> 04:40:15,820
specific states that final detail-siping approval is required prior to the commencement of the restoration project.

3632
04:40:16,320 --> 04:40:25,020
And shall be limited to a term of 10 years, calculated from date of the final detail-siping approval.

3633
04:40:25,020 --> 04:40:33,540
And number two, a banded orange growth to be restored with native trees and other story vegetation.

3634
04:40:35,500 --> 04:40:42,760
And item three, a native plant nursery located in the area identified as nursery and tree farms.

3635
04:40:42,960 --> 04:40:46,520
You can see on the approved PD concept plan.

3636
04:40:46,520 --> 04:40:59,260
And number four, removing the old-century trees and excavating the area to remove, remove soil depleted from decades of agriculture use.

3637
04:41:00,160 --> 04:41:10,200
And number five, refining, failing waste, moached vegetation to create compost for replanting native trees.

3638
04:41:10,200 --> 04:41:26,420
And number six, stockpiling of excavated materials will be located in the area, identified as stockpile and the maximum height of the stockpile shall be no more than 30 feet.

3639
04:41:27,100 --> 04:41:35,660
And also the last one is accessory uses, including by not limited to office, scale house and staging and equipment storage area.

3640
04:41:37,200 --> 04:41:42,620
and also approved an adopted PD condition C.

3641
04:41:43,820 --> 04:41:48,600
Listed the existing permitted activity and uses in phase two,

3642
04:41:48,880 --> 04:41:55,140
so you can see there why existing moturing operation is part of an approved existing commercial

3643
04:41:55,140 --> 04:41:56,560
activation permit.

3644
04:41:58,040 --> 04:42:03,540
And I want to point out there's a approved and adopted PD condition D,

3645
04:42:03,540 --> 04:42:11,340
specifically requires that a PD rezoning is required in order to implement the approved rule

3646
04:42:11,340 --> 04:42:19,100
committee next use master plan to have a mixture of residential and commercial uses on the

3647
04:42:19,100 --> 04:42:25,340
totally 740 acres. So for this final detailed PD final detailed site plan is only for the

3648
04:42:25,340 --> 04:42:29,740
eastern portion of the subject property for the restoration project.

3649
04:42:32,140 --> 04:42:33,560
So you can see on the screen

3650
04:42:33,560 --> 04:42:41,480
It shows approved GenrePD concept plan which to the left and also the proposed PD-Final

3651
04:42:41,480 --> 04:42:42,680
detail side plan.

3652
04:42:43,060 --> 04:42:47,960
So, you can compare it to them, they are substantially consistent with approved GenrePD

3653
04:42:47,960 --> 04:42:52,460
concept plan versus proposed PD-Final detail side plan.

3654
04:42:56,180 --> 04:43:03,860
So the results of the soil testing as required by approved PD-Final condition J are included

3655
04:43:03,860 --> 04:43:12,920
in the file number three. And also a proved PD condition L wall being forced only if the

3656
04:43:12,920 --> 04:43:18,180
applicant removes the excavated material from the prompting.

3657
04:43:20,880 --> 04:43:22,820
I tried to point out I kind of

3658
04:43:22,820 --> 04:43:28,440
jump to talk about condition, but there is a couple of slides you can see that is the

3659
04:43:28,440 --> 04:43:34,480
restoration plan, you can see the site, for entire site and they will have the restoration

3660
04:43:34,480 --> 04:43:39,880
project more focused on the center area and you can see they plan to have

3661
04:43:39,880 --> 04:43:46,160
three cells for this restoration project. So this is cell one and this cell two

3662
04:43:46,160 --> 04:43:52,680
and cell three and this is after this is done this is the site at you will be

3663
04:43:52,680 --> 04:43:57,740
prepared for the future rule company mix use by the time they must come to

3664
04:43:57,740 --> 04:44:00,120
board for a PD rezoning.

3665
04:44:02,220 --> 04:44:12,400
So this is also shown the site and the mitigation plan to reduce the sound, odor, dust,

3666
04:44:12,780 --> 04:44:21,220
as required by approved PD condition M is included in the file named 13 App Commitigation

3667
04:44:21,220 --> 04:44:21,660
Plan.

3668
04:44:21,660 --> 04:44:39,740
So, the African has provided noise mitigation measure and older preventing and response measures and dust suppression and air quality protection and also the provided service and groundwater monitoring plan.

3669
04:44:42,560 --> 04:44:57,260
So, the updated TIS traffic impact study is also part of the BCC package for this application and the file name is nine underscore water side excavation TIS.

3670
04:44:58,220 --> 04:44:59,900
And the history of

3671
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:09,280
The hurricane traffic for the subject property is also part of the BCT package and the file name is 10 underscore African hurricane traffic.

3672
04:45:10,320 --> 04:45:22,140
The applicant has also submitted a waterside soil and water quality memorandum, which is included as 511 of the BCC package for this item.

3673
04:45:22,140 --> 04:45:31,280
The transcript for May 23, 2023 BCC Adoption Hearing for the PDE Resolving for the subject

3674
04:45:31,280 --> 04:45:35,460
property is also attached as file number 12.

3675
04:45:36,300 --> 04:45:42,400
So it is staff's professional pinning that proposed PDE final detailed site plan

3676
04:45:42,400 --> 04:45:46,380
compliance with the adopted PDE conditions.

3677
04:45:46,960 --> 04:45:49,800
So I'm available to answer any questions you may have.

3678
04:45:50,160 --> 04:45:50,460
Thank you.

3679
04:45:50,460 --> 04:45:54,040
Thank you. I had Mr. David in the queue. Thank you.

3680
04:45:54,100 --> 04:45:55,400
Yes, you recognize. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3681
04:45:55,400 --> 04:45:57,040
Kind of a Tom David, kind of attorney.

3682
04:45:57,860 --> 04:46:00,880
This is a little bit of an unusual circumstance here.

3683
04:46:01,000 --> 04:46:04,840
So I've got a couple of housekeeping items that I want to make sure we get into the record.

3684
04:46:05,660 --> 04:46:11,200
Generally when we continue a hearing, we do not go back through the presentations again.

3685
04:46:11,460 --> 04:46:15,580
But the board directed staff to essentially start over.

3686
04:46:15,680 --> 04:46:18,180
So this is more like a re-hearing than a continuous.

3687
04:46:18,180 --> 04:46:24,560
But any event, what that means is that the applicant will get another opportunity to put

3688
04:46:24,560 --> 04:46:25,300
into the record.

3689
04:46:25,400 --> 04:46:30,680
The fact that it feels important to its case, there will be an opportunity for the public

3690
04:46:30,680 --> 04:46:36,180
to make comments within the same rules that we generally apply for these types of hearings.

3691
04:46:36,900 --> 04:46:41,400
I also want to have David Muscozo come up, our Assistant County Attorney, and to read

3692
04:46:41,400 --> 04:46:46,500
into the record, the standard of review for a PD site plan approval.

3693
04:46:46,500 --> 04:46:55,360
It's different from zoning. We don't go back and redo the zoning analysis. This is just to implement the site plants. I'd like to have that place in the record Mr. Chair with your

3694
04:46:56,320 --> 04:47:01,840
accordance so we can have a clean hearing. Thank you. There's no objection from the board you recognize sir.

3695
04:47:02,000 --> 04:47:13,340
Good afternoon. David was close with Susan County attorney. The item before the board is approval or denial of the final detail site plan. This is not a re hearing of the prior rezoning or general PD concept plan.

3696
04:47:13,340 --> 04:47:17,240
The applicant bears the initial burden of showing that the plan complies with the comprehensive

3697
04:47:17,240 --> 04:47:23,040
plan applicable regulations and legal requirements and the approved PD conditions and

3698
04:47:23,040 --> 04:47:29,160
concept plan. The board may consider the evidence relevant to those criteria and may resolve

3699
04:47:29,160 --> 04:47:34,220
factual conflicts in the record. If the applicant satisfies the applicable criteria,

3700
04:47:34,760 --> 04:47:40,460
the board may deny the plan only upon competent and substantial evidence identifying specific

3701
04:47:40,460 --> 04:47:46,940
unmet criteria. The board may not deny the plan based solely on generalized opposition or renewed

3702
04:47:46,940 --> 04:47:51,760
disagreement with the previously approved PD entitlement and it may not materially amend the

3703
04:47:51,760 --> 04:47:56,740
end entitlement through the final detail site plan review. Any proposed modification must proceed

3704
04:47:56,740 --> 04:48:01,280
under the code's major or minor modification processes as established under the county code.

3705
04:48:01,700 --> 04:48:05,200
Thank you. Thank you, sir. We stand ready, Mr. Chair.

3706
04:48:05,200 --> 04:48:12,100
answers many of the questions we got a lot of stuff over the trance from the last month or so so we're available to answer those questions

3707
04:48:12,100 --> 04:48:18,280
and you'll pose into us we'll have some answers for you and if we don't we'll try to figure out a best way to address those questions.

3708
04:48:18,580 --> 04:48:24,200
Thank you. Okay, thank you sir. Any questions for staff before we move on to the applicant? Okay, the applicant please.

3709
04:48:25,120 --> 04:48:29,220
Well, you recognize there. I just took Mr. David.

3710
04:48:29,220 --> 04:48:37,220
Yeah, we had some discussion on this before, maybe Tom can help me out on this.

3711
04:48:37,920 --> 04:48:47,080
This is a restoration project as part of this, but then we were told, as I recall, the

3712
04:48:47,080 --> 04:48:54,080
last time we talked about this, that there was nothing that needed to be restored because

3713
04:48:54,080 --> 04:49:00,820
there wasn't a problem with the soil being contaminated. Is that correct?

3714
04:49:01,360 --> 04:49:05,060
Mr. Chair, if you mind it's time to have county attorney. What I would recommend

3715
04:49:05,060 --> 04:49:10,180
is that we give the applicant an opportunity to address your questions. If you have questions

3716
04:49:10,180 --> 04:49:14,600
for them, they will be the best ones to answer those questions. And if not, we can have staff

3717
04:49:14,600 --> 04:49:15,580
to address those questions.

3718
04:49:15,640 --> 04:49:19,360
I have just one question. Was there a traffic study you said?

3719
04:49:19,360 --> 04:49:22,740
Yes, you do have one of the traffic study.

3720
04:49:22,740 --> 04:49:26,940
How many vehicles per day did they identify a program?

3721
04:49:27,000 --> 04:49:29,060
I can't remember, but the driving.

3722
04:49:29,380 --> 04:49:32,980
Because part of the reason I'm asking that is,

3723
04:49:33,360 --> 04:49:38,500
I went out to the site, and I drove Burmont Road.

3724
04:49:38,860 --> 04:49:42,580
And unless you really have to, you don't want to drive Burmont Road.

3725
04:49:43,700 --> 04:49:47,300
We dropped the speed limit there because we were concerned with safety.

3726
04:49:47,300 --> 04:49:50,240
I think the speed limit was 45.

3727
04:49:51,520 --> 04:49:56,380
I was doing 50 to 55 and these used trucks were like blowing me off the road.

3728
04:49:57,540 --> 04:49:59,980
And if there's going to be a mining...

3729
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:08,340
Operation, we don't have the traffic study, I guess, to look at, but traffic studies in the record.

3730
04:50:08,680 --> 04:50:10,060
What's the traffic studies in the record?

3731
04:50:10,220 --> 04:50:16,940
That's why it's warning how many trucks per hour, because if there's a mining operation, the

3732
04:50:16,940 --> 04:50:22,360
ones that I'm familiar with, you could have seven, eight, ten trucks an hour going in and out

3733
04:50:22,360 --> 04:50:28,540
of, they are pulling in and out of that site, adding to the, now you know we can't deny it

3734
04:50:28,540 --> 04:50:31,420
across the traffic, I'm just concerned about public safety

3735
04:50:31,420 --> 04:50:36,240
because that road is busy all the time.

3736
04:50:36,740 --> 04:50:39,720
And to add another hundred trucks in and out

3737
04:50:39,720 --> 04:50:41,240
might be a safety issue.

3738
04:50:41,520 --> 04:50:44,260
I don't know if that's involved here or not.

3739
04:50:45,040 --> 04:50:47,360
Mr. Chair, if I may, I think the best thing here

3740
04:50:47,360 --> 04:50:49,640
would be to allow the applicant to address it.

3741
04:50:49,740 --> 04:50:50,880
You've raised the questions.

3742
04:50:51,060 --> 04:50:53,800
I think they have some comments to that effect.

3743
04:50:53,840 --> 04:50:56,840
You can also ask staff the traffic engineers in the back.

3744
04:50:56,840 --> 04:51:00,900
You have any specific questions on traffic that he's here to address that, but I would recommend

3745
04:51:00,900 --> 04:51:01,680
that we let that go.

3746
04:51:01,740 --> 04:51:03,060
We may be in check on it.

3747
04:51:03,360 --> 04:51:04,760
I'll have to listen to them.

3748
04:51:04,880 --> 04:51:05,640
Thank you, sir.

3749
04:51:05,920 --> 04:51:11,520
But maybe we can check on the number of how many trucks per hour would be in and out of that

3750
04:51:11,520 --> 04:51:17,420
property and for how many hours a day, because usually I know mining operation, there's a

3751
04:51:17,420 --> 04:51:18,120
lot of traffic.

3752
04:51:19,060 --> 04:51:19,100
All right.

3753
04:51:19,180 --> 04:51:19,740
Thank you.

3754
04:51:19,760 --> 04:51:20,440
Thank you, sir.

3755
04:51:21,420 --> 04:51:21,560
Okay.

3756
04:51:22,140 --> 04:51:24,880
The applicant is now recognized to present.

3757
04:51:28,720 --> 04:51:42,440
There's a handout that'll be okay. We'll start when you start talking. I'll start. Well, he's doing the hand. Okay. No problem. Robinson. Big W law. I have been sworn in first and foremost. We accept Miss Shao as an expert for this hearing.

3758
04:51:43,240 --> 04:51:48,560
I'd like to start by making sure that we all recall why we're here.

3759
04:51:48,560 --> 04:51:55,100
There's a May 9th, 2026 memorandum from Mary and Frank Zoning Supervisor to the Honoural

3760
04:51:55,100 --> 04:52:01,960
Board of County Commissioners, regarding DRC-2075 final detail site plan, water side

3761
04:52:01,960 --> 04:52:08,160
phase one restoration, where they final detail site plan approval for water side phase

3762
04:52:08,160 --> 04:52:08,920
one.

3763
04:52:08,940 --> 04:52:14,420
The site is designated as a rural community mixed use, final detail site, consists of clearing

3764
04:52:14,420 --> 04:52:21,980
approximately 293 plus or minus acres of citrus grove and restoring approximately 63.37 acres

3765
04:52:21,980 --> 04:52:28,400
to a depth of 13 feet. The excavation will be backfilled and compacted back to existing grade

3766
04:52:28,400 --> 04:52:33,820
plus or minus 2 feet. This area will be green open space and restored with several different

3767
04:52:33,820 --> 04:52:38,560
natural vegetative communities and is consistent with the county's comprehensive plan and existing

3768
04:52:38,560 --> 04:52:44,680
PD conditions. The memo goes on that the final detailed site plan complies with all conditions,

3769
04:52:45,280 --> 04:52:50,700
as well as being in compliance with the final approved concept plan. And the final detail

3770
04:52:50,700 --> 04:52:55,540
site plan has been approved through the site plan review process. It's proposable not create

3771
04:52:55,540 --> 04:53:01,060
any concurrency issues and based on the analysis. Conclusion set forth herein in staff's

3772
04:53:01,060 --> 04:53:05,320
professional opinion. The application is generally consistent with Charlotte County's

3773
04:53:05,320 --> 04:53:10,140
comprehensive plan, Charlotte County's code of laws and ordinances, and other applicable guidelines.

3774
04:53:10,880 --> 04:53:19,860
This is simply a project where land waste was brought in during the after the hurricanes.

3775
04:53:20,500 --> 04:53:25,480
That land waste was turned into mulch that was then turned into compost.

3776
04:53:26,340 --> 04:53:32,760
The site will be excavated to remove the existing soil and some shell, and we placed with

3777
04:53:32,760 --> 04:53:35,100
composed mixed with sand that's removed.

3778
04:53:36,100 --> 04:53:39,780
I thank you Commissioner Constance for requesting a transcript of the original hearing

3779
04:53:39,780 --> 04:53:43,780
because I was not the attorney at the original hearing, but there was a lot of talk during

3780
04:53:44,720 --> 04:53:50,760
that our previous hearing in May on how the board was misled being told that the site was

3781
04:53:50,760 --> 04:53:53,820
contaminated and needed to be excavated.

3782
04:53:54,260 --> 04:53:58,820
Fortunately, at the end of the transcript is a glossary of all the terms and every time

3783
04:53:58,820 --> 04:54:05,880
term is used. It's gives the page number and the line number. The word contaminate is used once

3784
04:54:05,880 --> 04:54:13,000
when our expert for soil testified that they will wear gloves when doing the soil sampling

3785
04:54:13,000 --> 04:54:18,980
so it's not to contaminate the soil. Contamination was never mentioned otherwise. We have met

3786
04:54:18,980 --> 04:54:25,860
all of the conditions for the approval of the final detail plan approval. We have met all the

3787
04:54:25,860 --> 04:54:30,600
conditions of the approved PD and we ask for your approval. Mr. Bane will continue.

3788
04:54:35,060 --> 04:54:38,920
For the record, Gary Bane, Southwest Engineering, and I have been sworn.

3789
04:54:39,960 --> 04:54:41,800
Mr. Bane, can you pause this time for a minute?

3790
04:54:42,500 --> 04:54:42,700
I'm sorry.

3791
04:54:42,780 --> 04:54:46,400
I just want to make sure this hand out. This is for the official record.

3792
04:54:46,920 --> 04:54:49,020
Yes, it is. This is correct.

3793
04:54:49,200 --> 04:54:50,900
So how we met the PD condition.

3794
04:54:50,920 --> 04:54:52,080
Commissioner Constance, you're in the queue.

3795
04:54:52,240 --> 04:54:52,560
Thank you.

3796
04:54:52,760 --> 04:54:56,060
So I don't have a problem with the applicant and their rights.

3797
04:54:56,060 --> 04:54:59,900
I guess my problem is that this telephone book was just handed.

3798
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:15,420
There's absolutely no way that I can look through this hang on and consume it. And also, there's no way that the public had access to this prior to the meeting for them to be able to review it to make comments on it.

3799
04:55:15,640 --> 04:55:28,140
So this puts us in a very difficult position because all handouts, all items that we were supposed to be that are supposed to be displayed and looked at are supposed to be part of the electronic record prior to the meeting.

3800
04:55:28,140 --> 04:55:33,860
So I object to this. I don't know if I want to have this thrown out or if I'm going to suggest that we have to

3801
04:55:33,860 --> 04:55:44,140
re-here because the the public is entitled to review this, it's, it's, it's, it's just a summer of basically what

3802
04:55:44,140 --> 04:55:49,420
J is reading before. Okay. I'm just, it's just a summer. That's, that's all it is, it's the PD conditions.

3803
04:55:50,000 --> 04:55:57,480
Yeah. Commissioner Truex. Yeah, I was just going to say if you look at the tabs, you'll notice it just talks about all

3804
04:55:57,480 --> 04:56:00,460
to be the conditions that we already have that information on.

3805
04:56:00,520 --> 04:56:01,600
You have no more deep vision.

3806
04:56:01,740 --> 04:56:02,260
It's just organizing.

3807
04:56:02,520 --> 04:56:03,960
It's just organizing laid out.

3808
04:56:04,320 --> 04:56:06,780
So it's no different information than what's actually available.

3809
04:56:07,000 --> 04:56:08,720
It's just laid out more readily.

3810
04:56:09,320 --> 04:56:09,380
Correct.

3811
04:56:09,640 --> 04:56:10,860
Review a format.

3812
04:56:11,120 --> 04:56:11,200
Yeah.

3813
04:56:11,200 --> 04:56:12,520
I went through the first couple of tabs.

3814
04:56:12,860 --> 04:56:14,920
And it just appears it's how they format it.

3815
04:56:15,020 --> 04:56:17,680
What we already have just for easy tabulation.

3816
04:56:17,680 --> 04:56:18,720
I guess to get to it.

3817
04:56:18,720 --> 04:56:19,800
If you want them to look up.

3818
04:56:19,880 --> 04:56:20,140
Go ahead.

3819
04:56:21,200 --> 04:56:23,760
It's basically for ease in this hearing.

3820
04:56:23,900 --> 04:56:25,440
If a condition is brought up.

3821
04:56:25,440 --> 04:56:28,880
you have the exact language of that condition and the response.

3822
04:56:29,540 --> 04:56:34,040
It's to make the hearing easier for you guys if you have questions.

3823
04:56:35,460 --> 04:56:36,120
Can I have this response?

3824
04:56:36,120 --> 04:56:37,240
You still have the question.

3825
04:56:37,340 --> 04:56:41,240
So, if that's the case, again, this wasn't prepared today.

3826
04:56:41,740 --> 04:56:47,180
Why didn't you include this and hand this over to staff and have them put a digital copy online?

3827
04:56:47,760 --> 04:56:52,600
Because, you know, I understand, it just doesn't, it just doesn't.

3828
04:56:52,600 --> 04:56:57,460
put it part of my presentation and the presentation became way too long as only entitled to

3829
04:56:57,460 --> 04:57:03,480
20 minutes and to go through everything, all the PD conditions, I just don't have the time

3830
04:57:03,480 --> 04:57:04,140
to get that.

3831
04:57:04,460 --> 04:57:07,400
So I just wanted to organize what we submitted for DRC.

3832
04:57:07,760 --> 04:57:12,020
I just wanted to publicate could they not have submitted this to be added as an attachment

3833
04:57:12,020 --> 04:57:13,220
to this item?

3834
04:57:13,600 --> 04:57:15,300
I mean, I just came up with it last week.

3835
04:57:16,720 --> 04:57:18,020
So, can I just make an appointment?

3836
04:57:18,120 --> 04:57:18,320
Thank you.

3837
04:57:18,620 --> 04:57:24,180
point well taken on transparency I think anytime we're handed something the public's entitled

3838
04:57:24,180 --> 04:57:29,720
to see what we've been handed in advance so yet in the future we'll just load it up on

3839
04:57:29,720 --> 04:57:34,140
our website if you can do a digital format it's just to be another exhibit so we're covered

3840
04:57:34,140 --> 04:57:38,020
and I don't think and I'll have to have the attorney weigh into your other point commissioner

3841
04:57:38,020 --> 04:57:42,300
consensus I think of an applicant wants to submit something for the public record I don't know

3842
04:57:42,300 --> 04:57:48,600
if we can deny that I think they're entitled to submit for public record you're talking to the

3843
04:57:48,600 --> 04:57:56,460
The hearings that we have generally are people allowed to submit documentation, we've taken several documents as we've been here today.

3844
04:57:57,120 --> 04:57:58,420
So that is generally the process.

3845
04:57:58,780 --> 04:57:59,940
I'm just a Mr. Chair.

3846
04:58:00,680 --> 04:58:07,620
So I think that the applicant, if it's part of his case in chief, he's allowed to present this as part of his evidence.

3847
04:58:09,820 --> 04:58:17,340
And to your point, I think today we've had at least two or three handouts that I'm trying to go through in the middle of the meeting that the public doesn't have, but I do.

3848
04:58:17,340 --> 04:58:18,900
this just happens to be a little bit thicker.

3849
04:58:19,340 --> 04:58:22,120
Yeah, Mr. Chairman, to your point, I don't look at those, I listen.

3850
04:58:22,900 --> 04:58:25,240
Yeah. And if I need to go back at some point, I will look at them.

3851
04:58:26,320 --> 04:58:29,280
But, like every other thing I get today of, it's pretty hard to go through it.

3852
04:58:29,600 --> 04:58:32,600
But I did understand how it was organized, and I just want to bring that up.

3853
04:58:32,860 --> 04:58:35,020
Okay, the applicants recognize that continue. We'll start your time.

3854
04:58:35,480 --> 04:58:38,740
All right. Good afternoon, commissioners. I just want to clarify a couple things.

3855
04:58:39,060 --> 04:58:43,300
The slide presentation. I had to fix a couple of the slides that there were out of order,

3856
04:58:43,420 --> 04:58:46,820
but the same slides, just a little bit different or just like three or four slides.

3857
04:58:47,400 --> 04:58:51,660
Thank you for giving us the opportunity to come back and present the project in more detail.

3858
04:58:52,280 --> 04:58:57,000
When this item originally was scheduled, it appeared on your consent agenda quite frankly.

3859
04:58:57,480 --> 04:59:01,580
I wasn't prepared to give a full presentation, because I didn't think one was necessary.

3860
04:59:02,400 --> 04:59:06,560
Looking back, I actually glad we're here because it gave me the opportunity to go back,

3861
04:59:06,780 --> 04:59:14,460
watch the BOCC hearing from three years ago, review testimony, and really think about what was the biggest misunderstanding surrounding the project.

3862
04:59:15,100 --> 04:59:17,520
Before I begin, I'd like to clear up one point.

3863
04:59:17,860 --> 04:59:20,840
We never represented that the soils on this property were contaminated.

3864
04:59:21,680 --> 04:59:25,940
During the planning and zoning hearing, a concern citizen asks whether the property might

3865
04:59:25,940 --> 04:59:27,480
contain contaminated soils.

3866
04:59:29,000 --> 04:59:31,780
Rather than debate the issue, we agreed to have the soil tested.

3867
04:59:32,560 --> 04:59:38,220
So we retain, David Browner, our hydrologist, to write specifications for testing the soils

3868
04:59:38,220 --> 04:59:40,020
for abandoned citrus grows.

3869
04:59:40,480 --> 04:59:43,120
And that is actually how PD Condition J came about.

3870
04:59:43,700 --> 04:59:45,880
Today, we have done exactly what we promised.

3871
04:59:46,300 --> 04:59:50,720
The testing has been completed, the reports have been submitted, and the collusion is exactly

3872
04:59:50,720 --> 04:59:51,560
what we expected.

3873
04:59:51,900 --> 04:59:53,200
The soils are not contaminated.

3874
04:59:55,060 --> 04:59:59,640
What we have consistently said during the hearing was that the property has operated

3875
04:59:59,640 --> 04:59:59,980
As you can.

3876
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:06,200
Commercial Citrus Grove for decades. And lack the nutrients to grow habitat we were looking for. Like so many

3877
05:00:06,200 --> 05:00:11,600
grows throughout selfless Florida, citrus greening, canker, alt and altum in the recent hurricanes,

3878
05:00:12,220 --> 05:00:20,180
brought the end to this operations. That is why we're here today. Back in 2 next slide. Back in 2011,

3879
05:00:20,700 --> 05:00:25,920
the property became part of an approval community mixed use. The overall plan and compass approximately

3880
05:00:25,920 --> 05:00:31,540
740 acres with roughly 250 acres being used as a commercial Citrus Grove.

3881
05:00:32,120 --> 05:00:32,620
Next slide.

3882
05:00:34,120 --> 05:00:38,340
Years later, after the concept plan was approved and after all the hurricanes, we

3883
05:00:38,340 --> 05:00:39,720
asked ourselves a simple question.

3884
05:00:40,200 --> 05:00:44,180
If a significant portion of the property is required under a future land use designation,

3885
05:00:44,520 --> 05:00:49,880
RCMU to remain permanently open space, why leave it as an abandoned Citrus Grove?

3886
05:00:50,360 --> 05:00:53,920
Why not restore it to something that provides a long-term environmental benefit?

3887
05:00:53,920 --> 05:00:57,840
The question became, back question became the foundation of this project.

3888
05:00:58,220 --> 05:00:58,540
Next slide.

3889
05:01:01,900 --> 05:01:07,500
The restoration area before you today is roughly about 63 acres with another 25 acres of landscape

3890
05:01:07,500 --> 05:01:09,440
burns that will still need to be constructed.

3891
05:01:10,140 --> 05:01:10,460
Next slide.

3892
05:01:12,160 --> 05:01:14,940
The project is, this project is not about water side,

3893
05:01:14,940 --> 05:01:16,640
disposing of contaminated soil.

3894
05:01:16,820 --> 05:01:21,420
It's about restoring an old citrus operation that has reached the end of its productive life.

3895
05:01:21,800 --> 05:01:22,480
Next slide.

3896
05:01:23,100 --> 05:01:23,960
Next slide, Jay.

3897
05:01:25,200 --> 05:01:25,660
Thank you.

3898
05:01:25,660 --> 05:01:27,840
The concept is actually pretty straightforward.

3899
05:01:28,380 --> 05:01:33,560
Our goal was to create a project that helps fulfill the vision by replacing depleted

3900
05:01:33,560 --> 05:01:38,120
soils from the Citrus Grove with Florida and that native habitat that future generations

3901
05:01:38,120 --> 05:01:38,780
can enjoy.

3902
05:01:39,160 --> 05:01:39,800
Next slide.

3903
05:01:40,900 --> 05:01:47,720
Back in 2022, 23, our county was faced with the aftermath of Hurricane EM.

3904
05:01:48,220 --> 05:01:52,620
The county along with FEMA decided that instead of using the county's own landfill for

3905
05:01:52,620 --> 05:01:57,420
exposing of yard waste debris, why not look for a facility that's already permitting saving

3906
05:01:57,420 --> 05:02:03,480
the county's airspace, saving the county's airspace, water side fit that bill, and it

3907
05:02:03,480 --> 05:02:07,920
is a permanent facility with FDP to receive yard waste and locked clearing debris.

3908
05:02:08,400 --> 05:02:14,040
We took in approximately 600,000 yards of mulch and landscape debris within the county during

3909
05:02:14,040 --> 05:02:15,780
that time frame, next slide.

3910
05:02:16,940 --> 05:02:22,880
Instead of viewing the material as a waste, we saw an opportunity through composting, blending

3911
05:02:22,880 --> 05:02:28,140
with native soils, and then that material could be part of a long-term restoration project.

3912
05:02:28,840 --> 05:02:34,080
Once complete, the property would be replanted with native communities including OCamic,

3913
05:02:34,420 --> 05:02:37,780
Pine Flatwoods, Citrus Trees, and Meadow Habitats.

3914
05:02:38,320 --> 05:02:42,220
In our view, this project solves several problems at once.

3915
05:02:42,220 --> 05:02:48,140
we store to form a citrus grove while creating a permanent natural preserved that is consistent

3916
05:02:48,140 --> 05:02:53,040
with the county's long-term vision for this property. And it saw the county's dilemma from

3917
05:02:53,040 --> 05:02:58,580
hurricane-eing using water side to dispose of the county's mulch instead of using their own facility.

3918
05:02:59,860 --> 05:03:04,620
The next slide is here are some drone photos that one of the commission's

3919
05:03:04,620 --> 05:03:09,280
asked for giving you a better view of the facility. Just go with them real quick. This is

3920
05:03:09,280 --> 05:03:14,980
The southwest property corner, kind of looking northeast, you can see all the debris starting to get overgrown,

3921
05:03:16,320 --> 05:03:19,420
but the operation is further into the middle of the site next slide.

3922
05:03:20,220 --> 05:03:24,240
Same angle, just looking towards the north a little bit, next slide.

3923
05:03:25,360 --> 05:03:32,620
This is the operation itself. You can see the win-rows of compost, the mulching operation, logs mean separated,

3924
05:03:33,660 --> 05:03:36,820
and are excavator and ground right over there. Next slide.

3925
05:03:38,000 --> 05:03:45,360
This is from the East property boundary looking west, the restoration area we sit right in

3926
05:03:45,360 --> 05:03:46,680
the center of this.

3927
05:03:46,900 --> 05:03:54,240
So this property, but four or five years ago, we decided, you know, the grove was done

3928
05:03:54,240 --> 05:04:00,480
because it can't occur in citrus and you can see that really on the north end and on

3929
05:04:00,480 --> 05:04:06,800
the west end, like nothing has really growing there, it's green, but it's not there's

3930
05:04:06,800 --> 05:04:10,440
sand everywhere, nothing is really growing. Next slide.

3931
05:04:12,450 --> 05:04:14,850
This is the property looking from the

3932
05:04:14,850 --> 05:04:24,170
north east corner looking, looking west, next slide. This is from the north west corner,

3933
05:04:24,170 --> 05:04:30,570
next slide. This is from the same north west corner looking west and you can still see where

3934
05:04:30,570 --> 05:04:36,350
the mulch is right there in the all and brown and then in the far left corner you can see the

3935
05:04:36,350 --> 05:04:43,730
operation. There's more stacked debris piles to the top of your left screen there. Next slide.

3936
05:04:46,730 --> 05:04:50,630
So during the, and that's the drone footage, during the planning and zoning and BEOCC

3937
05:04:50,630 --> 05:04:54,850
hearing, several technical questions were raised regarding groundwater and soil testing.

3938
05:04:55,270 --> 05:04:59,970
That was required under PD, condition J. I'd like to ask David Brown to summarize a reason.

3939
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:01,860
Results of the testing that was performed.

3940
05:05:16,380 --> 05:05:17,880
Next slide, please.

3941
05:05:19,940 --> 05:05:25,680
My name is David Brown. I'm the national practice lead in hydrogeology for my company of respect.

3942
05:05:26,320 --> 05:05:31,500
I have over 40 years of professional experience in Florida and I'm a certified professional geologist.

3943
05:05:32,440 --> 05:05:37,780
Today I'm going to go through some of the soil and water quality data that was collected on the subject property.

3944
05:05:38,480 --> 05:05:41,280
If you look at this slide, this is an aerial map.

3945
05:05:41,900 --> 05:05:43,820
You can see some locations in the center.

3946
05:05:45,020 --> 05:05:46,600
These yellow orange-looking symbols.

3947
05:05:47,400 --> 05:05:50,180
Those are within the excavated area, the restoration area,

3948
05:05:50,780 --> 05:05:52,500
and that's where soil samples were taken.

3949
05:05:53,560 --> 05:05:57,140
There's two green circular symbols up in the upper right.

3950
05:05:57,400 --> 05:05:59,820
That's where surface water quality samples were taken

3951
05:05:59,820 --> 05:06:01,380
in the hydraulic barrier.

3952
05:06:01,920 --> 05:06:05,920
And then there are also, there's a blue dot that's off-site to the north that says

3953
05:06:06,580 --> 05:06:11,500
W1, monitor well number one, where ground water sample was also taken.

3954
05:06:14,350 --> 05:06:20,650
Surface water sole samples were collected by Southwest Engineering Design in 2022, 23 and 25,

3955
05:06:21,050 --> 05:06:22,230
the largest site project.

3956
05:06:22,910 --> 05:06:27,090
Laboratory results indicate that surface water and groundwater quality have remained generally

3957
05:06:27,090 --> 05:06:32,670
stable with low nutrient concentrations, and that's indicative of the depleted soils

3958
05:06:33,170 --> 05:06:33,910
that have been here.

3959
05:06:33,910 --> 05:06:39,170
This is a citrus grove, they betted the citrus, they basically inverted and flipped the soils

3960
05:06:39,170 --> 05:06:39,870
on site.

3961
05:06:40,170 --> 05:06:47,390
It's been farmed for decades, so it wasn't surprising that we saw very, very low organic material.

3962
05:06:49,050 --> 05:06:52,950
At neutral pH, analytical results are a consistent with previous sampling events.

3963
05:06:53,550 --> 05:06:58,930
The soil analysis detected no pesticides, petroleum hydrocarbons, volatile organic

3964
05:06:58,930 --> 05:07:06,390
carbons or BOCs or semi-volatile organic compounds and our metals were present and only

3965
05:07:06,390 --> 05:07:09,630
at concentrations that are represented of natural background conditions.

3966
05:07:10,630 --> 05:07:17,190
The elevated TDS, which is total dissolved solids, is natural to the area, elevated iron.

3967
05:07:17,650 --> 05:07:22,570
We did have elevated gross alpha and radium were identified and well in W1.

3968
05:07:22,710 --> 05:07:23,650
I'll get to that in a minute.

3969
05:07:24,250 --> 05:07:28,510
However, these constituents are interpreted as naturally occurring geologic and geochemical

3970
05:07:28,510 --> 05:07:34,150
conditions common throughout Southwest Florida, and they're not project-related impacts.

3971
05:07:35,390 --> 05:07:35,750
Next slide.

3972
05:07:36,610 --> 05:07:40,850
It's across section that I drew, and you can see MW1 on the left side.

3973
05:07:41,450 --> 05:07:48,330
MW1 has 35 feet of casing, so it's basically monitoring a five-foot zone from 35 feet to 40 feet.

3974
05:07:48,910 --> 05:07:51,130
Much deeper than the proposed excavation.

3975
05:07:52,450 --> 05:07:57,430
When you get down to that point, stratographically, you're nearing the top of the confining unit.

3976
05:07:57,430 --> 05:08:00,670
The confining unit, it's also known as the Hawthorne group.

3977
05:08:01,070 --> 05:08:04,410
The Hawthorne group is rich with phosphate.

3978
05:08:04,670 --> 05:08:07,250
That's what they're mining in Polk County, is the Hawthorne group.

3979
05:08:07,930 --> 05:08:09,190
So we're approaching that top.

3980
05:08:09,250 --> 05:08:10,510
That's a reworked area.

3981
05:08:10,750 --> 05:08:15,470
So you still have some slight phosphatic material within that rework section.

3982
05:08:16,450 --> 05:08:17,510
So that's what that will.

3983
05:08:17,730 --> 05:08:18,970
MW1 is monitoring.

3984
05:08:20,450 --> 05:08:23,110
Also, I put a dash line on there that you see horizontal.

3985
05:08:23,230 --> 05:08:26,070
That's the approximate depth of the excavation of 13 feet.

3986
05:08:26,070 --> 05:08:38,190
Again, it's 20-something feet above the zone that's being monitored by MW1 and then I superimpose kind of a graphic of what the hydraulic barrier ditch is there about 6-10 feet on site

3987
05:08:38,190 --> 05:08:41,030
and that's for two of the surface water quality samples we're taking.

3988
05:08:41,530 --> 05:08:50,770
So this illustrates that the water quality that we saw at MW1 is the monstrous tip of groundwater at a much deeper elevation down right on top of that confining unit.

3989
05:08:50,770 --> 05:08:57,170
So anyone that looks at NW1, please do not confuse that water quality or those constituents

3990
05:08:57,170 --> 05:09:01,030
is occurring at the depth of the excavation because they do not.

3991
05:09:01,430 --> 05:09:06,130
The water quality we didn't have radio nucleos or any impacts in the surface water or

3992
05:09:06,130 --> 05:09:08,310
the shallow samples that were taken.

3993
05:09:09,250 --> 05:09:13,350
So again, I want to make sure if you read my report, make sure that you look at that, that

3994
05:09:13,350 --> 05:09:19,510
those indicators of gross alpha of radium 226-228 in uranium are from that deep monitor

3995
05:09:19,510 --> 05:09:21,630
well, and are from right above the Hawthorne group

3996
05:09:21,630 --> 05:09:22,090
settlements.

3997
05:09:23,150 --> 05:09:24,090
Thank you very much.

3998
05:09:24,410 --> 05:09:25,130
Thank you.

3999
05:09:27,980 --> 05:09:29,620
I continue on next slide.

4000
05:09:29,680 --> 05:09:33,040
Jay, we're going to save the few extra slides for

4001
05:09:33,820 --> 05:09:34,800
the bottle keep going through.

4002
05:09:35,140 --> 05:09:36,260
Next slide.

4003
05:09:36,520 --> 05:09:37,000
Next slide.

4004
05:09:37,220 --> 05:09:37,680
Next slide.

4005
05:09:38,020 --> 05:09:38,340
Next slide.

4006
05:09:39,280 --> 05:09:39,780
Right there.

4007
05:09:40,900 --> 05:09:43,420
The remaining portion of the presentation is more

4008
05:09:43,420 --> 05:09:43,840
straightforward.

4009
05:09:44,560 --> 05:09:46,520
The address PD conditions LNM.

4010
05:09:46,720 --> 05:09:49,800
For condition L, we have already received our

4011
05:09:49,800 --> 05:09:54,460
the county store model permit and we will work with staff to determine what if any other

4012
05:09:54,460 --> 05:09:55,620
permits are needed.

4013
05:09:57,730 --> 05:09:58,130
Next slide.

4014
05:09:58,470 --> 05:09:58,850
No, sorry.

4015
05:09:59,250 --> 05:09:59,970
That's like that's it.

4016
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:14,940
For a condition M, on April 29, 2025, last year, I submitted a project narrative where I stated, we received our FDEP Guardways permit, and that FDEP permit was also submitted to the county on the same day.

4017
05:10:15,400 --> 05:10:23,800
On page 2 of the permit, it lists the general permit conditions, and in that section is where I submitted the operation plan for the facility to the DEP.

4018
05:10:23,800 --> 05:10:28,980
the operation plan, much like the county's operation plan, and similar approved operation plans

4019
05:10:28,980 --> 05:10:34,580
throughout the state covers the criteria you were looking for in PD Condition M. As you

4020
05:10:34,580 --> 05:10:39,640
direct it, I pull the information from the operation plan and our environmental impact statement

4021
05:10:39,640 --> 05:10:45,860
and submitted it to the county for your review. Desk control is addressed every day through water trucks.

4022
05:10:46,400 --> 05:10:51,820
Water side maintains the hall roads daily with a loader grater. They have a streets sweeper

4023
05:10:51,820 --> 05:10:54,340
that sweeps the entrance on Burmout Road as necessary,

4024
05:10:54,920 --> 05:10:57,240
and they make additional operational adjustments

4025
05:10:57,240 --> 05:10:59,720
during dry and windy conditions.

4026
05:11:00,460 --> 05:11:03,300
These are enforceable commitment commitments

4027
05:11:03,300 --> 05:11:07,460
under this PD-condition and also under the FDP yard

4028
05:11:07,460 --> 05:11:08,300
waste permit.

4029
05:11:09,020 --> 05:11:09,320
Next slide.

4030
05:11:11,820 --> 05:11:14,200
Most of the construction of the restoration area

4031
05:11:14,200 --> 05:11:16,760
occurs below grade, which actually

4032
05:11:16,760 --> 05:11:18,740
reduces the sound emitted from the equipment.

4033
05:11:19,220 --> 05:11:21,480
The existing berms and proposed berms

4034
05:11:21,480 --> 05:11:24,160
once constructed will provide additional sound attenuation.

4035
05:11:24,920 --> 05:11:26,800
These burns will eventually become the landscape

4036
05:11:26,800 --> 05:11:29,580
burns you see in larger developments that surround

4037
05:11:29,580 --> 05:11:32,600
subdivisions and there are approximately 8 to 10 feet high

4038
05:11:32,600 --> 05:11:34,600
and about 80 to 100 feet wide.

4039
05:11:35,420 --> 05:11:39,740
Operation is limited daytime hours only, usually 7 a.m. to 330

4040
05:11:39,740 --> 05:11:42,520
and currently we are not open on the weekends and we haven't

4041
05:11:42,520 --> 05:11:44,040
been for quite some time.

4042
05:11:44,440 --> 05:11:44,720
Next slide.

4043
05:11:47,320 --> 05:11:47,900
Oh to control.

4044
05:11:48,440 --> 05:11:50,800
I just want to also want to make one point very

4045
05:11:50,800 --> 05:11:53,660
because I know there's been some confusion regarding this matter.

4046
05:11:54,100 --> 05:11:56,680
Waterside is not a bio recycling facility.

4047
05:11:57,240 --> 05:12:01,640
And I know in the operation plan that it states that we can accept it,

4048
05:12:01,640 --> 05:12:04,660
but in the same sentence, it's also states, and I quote,

4049
05:12:05,080 --> 05:12:08,000
or remove it from the facility within 48 hours of receipt.

4050
05:12:08,760 --> 05:12:10,800
In the 12-year history of Waterside,

4051
05:12:12,260 --> 05:12:15,380
as Waterside's operation, we have never accepted human waste,

4052
05:12:15,580 --> 05:12:18,220
biosolids, animal waste, or similar materials.

4053
05:12:18,220 --> 05:12:23,020
that requires a whole different level of monitoring and recording that type of operation

4054
05:12:23,020 --> 05:12:26,340
and procedures is not in our current operation permit.

4055
05:12:27,260 --> 05:12:29,380
And that's simply not what this project is.

4056
05:12:30,040 --> 05:12:34,980
The only material we have ever accepted is clean vegetative debris, trees,

4057
05:12:35,360 --> 05:12:38,660
limbs, brush, landscape, material, and mulch.

4058
05:12:39,360 --> 05:12:41,160
And because it's not a biosolar facility,

4059
05:12:41,600 --> 05:12:43,580
odor generation is fundamentally different.

4060
05:12:44,140 --> 05:12:46,540
We are processing vegetative material only.

4061
05:12:46,540 --> 05:12:54,300
When drills are managed correctly, more sure is controlled and missing systems will be utilized to control odor if needed.

4062
05:12:54,840 --> 05:12:58,100
This type of operation is also subject to FDEP oversight.

4063
05:12:58,660 --> 05:12:59,540
It's mixed slide.

4064
05:13:01,760 --> 05:13:06,360
Visual screening, existing and proposed berms combined with native landscape,

4065
05:13:06,980 --> 05:13:08,720
create an effective visual buffer.

4066
05:13:09,380 --> 05:13:12,140
And as I stated, the berms are approximately 8 to 10 feet high,

4067
05:13:12,500 --> 05:13:13,760
80 to 100 feet in width.

4068
05:13:13,760 --> 05:13:19,580
The restoration area will ultimately become a permanent native habitat greatly improving the long-term

4069
05:13:19,580 --> 05:13:25,820
appearance of the property. These are the commitments we have already been incorporated into our plans,

4070
05:13:26,360 --> 05:13:31,760
our permits, and our day-to-day operations. And on February 18th, 2026,

4071
05:13:32,240 --> 05:13:37,700
Waterside had their annual site inspection with the FTEP and the FTEP found the facility to be

4072
05:13:37,700 --> 05:13:43,080
in compliance with the operation plan that explicitly addresses those conditions, and that was

4073
05:13:43,080 --> 05:13:46,100
in one of the submittals that we did earlier.

4074
05:13:47,000 --> 05:13:49,040
We're all happy to thank you.

4075
05:13:52,650 --> 05:13:54,730
So with that, that would conclude our presentation.

4076
05:13:55,050 --> 05:13:59,870
We obviously will reserve some time for a rebuttal after the public input,

4077
05:14:00,250 --> 05:14:01,930
but we're happy to answer any questions at this point,

4078
05:14:02,150 --> 05:14:04,050
or we can wait until after public input.

4079
05:14:04,350 --> 05:14:05,470
Any questions for the applicant?

4080
05:14:06,110 --> 05:14:06,550
Mr. Chairman.

4081
05:14:07,750 --> 05:14:09,090
Yeah, I'll have a series of questions,

4082
05:14:09,330 --> 05:14:12,570
but I think what I'd like to do is go through the public hearing process,

4083
05:14:12,570 --> 05:14:18,070
first here from the public, but I have a whole series of questions, primarily related to

4084
05:14:18,070 --> 05:14:24,850
condition L, and the transcript that took place in 2023, and also the final order from

4085
05:14:24,850 --> 05:14:30,070
the administrative judge, this testimony and all of that that I need clarification on.

4086
05:14:30,590 --> 05:14:30,610
Okay?

4087
05:14:30,610 --> 05:14:31,550
Would be happy to select you.

4088
05:14:32,810 --> 05:14:33,030
Okay.

4089
05:14:33,430 --> 05:14:34,490
Any other questions for the applicant?

4090
05:14:36,470 --> 05:14:36,670
Okay.

4091
05:14:36,750 --> 05:14:40,310
Now we're going to open up the public hearing portion of the meeting.

4092
05:14:40,310 --> 05:14:47,430
anybody wishing to speak on this item. Please come forward to your name for the record. You will have five minutes.

4093
05:14:56,040 --> 05:14:59,960
And just before you start up before I start your time, we have sounds like...

4094
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:22,630
We're going to have a lot of speakers on this item. So please let's practice some good decorum. Don't interrupt a speaker with clapping or things like that. If you support with a speaker saying, just hold your hands up. It's a great visual. We can see that and we can keep the meeting going. So I just want to lay out the ground rules there. So who's ever first? You're recognized for five minutes. State your name for the record.

4095
05:15:31,570 --> 05:15:36,910
operating operations in Charlotte County, primarily on Earth, quartz, sand, fossilized shells

4096
05:15:36,910 --> 05:15:42,450
and limestone's aggregate. However, local soils can contain trace-heavy minerals like

4097
05:15:42,450 --> 05:15:50,230
titanium, zycorn, and saturate. When the soil shall rock clay and sand disturbance from excavation

4098
05:15:50,230 --> 05:15:56,110
can naturally at least trace-redoactive elements like uranium and radium that decay and take

4099
05:15:56,110 --> 05:16:02,490
rate on gas. Trace levels of uranium and radium naturally occur in Florida soils and limestone

4100
05:16:02,490 --> 05:16:08,490
foundations. The primary thread from nearby sand pits is erosion and high turbidity,

4101
05:16:08,690 --> 05:16:14,230
cloudy water, a fine sediment, or storm water run off breach retention boundaries and inner

4102
05:16:14,230 --> 05:16:19,710
shell creaked the peace river in Charlotte Harbor. Digging up or shifting earth at local extraction

4103
05:16:19,710 --> 05:16:25,310
sites can redistribute these underlying natural minerals and heavy metals closer to the surface.

4104
05:16:25,310 --> 05:16:32,070
Now, right on 222 is an invisible gas produced by radioactive decay of these natural radium

4105
05:16:32,070 --> 05:16:35,190
and uranium elements present in the local geology.

4106
05:16:35,790 --> 05:16:40,670
During recent local zoning and planning hearings, such as opposing opposition meetings

4107
05:16:40,670 --> 05:16:46,570
regarding proposed sand and fill operations along Burma, Rotten, Washington, Luprode, citizens

4108
05:16:46,570 --> 05:16:53,010
groups, Dr. Rob Robbins, retired Colonel Mary Tippedin, Tim Richie, and many other Southwest

4109
05:16:53,010 --> 05:16:57,550
floor environmental advocates have been protesting these.

4110
05:16:58,550 --> 05:17:03,330
Drinking water protection because Shell Creek and Peace River service vital drinking water

4111
05:17:03,330 --> 05:17:08,230
sources for tens of thousands of citizens in Charlotte County and neighboring counties

4112
05:17:08,230 --> 05:17:13,930
local zoning birds tightly regulate and frequently reject new mining permits near

4113
05:17:13,930 --> 05:17:18,950
residential and water sheds zones to safeguard the aquifer and water integrity.

4114
05:17:18,950 --> 05:17:29,330
Could we bring up one of the things from Miss Chow in there was saying how they had to remove the soil because it is not clean?

4115
05:17:30,290 --> 05:17:38,410
Now let me tell you, we've had how many years has this orange grove been getting poisoned sprayed on it?

4116
05:17:38,590 --> 05:17:43,810
Fertilizer synthetic fertilizer and poison to kill bugs.

4117
05:17:43,810 --> 05:17:53,410
And let me tell you, they're going to go 13 feet. You know what usually happens, what usually happens is this.

4118
05:17:54,070 --> 05:18:11,680
They go to 16 feet. Oh, oops. We went to 20 and the water monitoring well. Well, that's all we need to know because you know what's present.

4119
05:18:11,680 --> 05:18:19,300
what I just read. Now you want to disturb this soil and then they want to

4120
05:18:19,300 --> 05:18:25,880
compact it back. Magic wand and everything's fine. It doesn't work like that

4121
05:18:25,880 --> 05:18:33,940
guys. It doesn't work like that at all and this is far too close to homes. This is

4122
05:18:33,940 --> 05:18:40,220
far too close to shell Creek and I have to tell you we're not going to be

4123
05:18:40,220 --> 05:18:44,600
permitting any more sand mines in East County, zero.

4124
05:18:45,820 --> 05:18:48,760
We've been phosphate mining in this chamber.

4125
05:18:49,440 --> 05:18:54,260
I personally led the charge with all five of you.

4126
05:18:54,580 --> 05:19:02,180
Do I need to remind you that was the greatest day in Charlie County in a long, long time.

4127
05:19:02,280 --> 05:19:03,120
You know why?

4128
05:19:03,440 --> 05:19:05,940
Because you represented all of us.

4129
05:19:05,940 --> 05:19:13,880
At that time, you were the hottest commission in the state of all 67 counties.

4130
05:19:15,260 --> 05:19:18,580
Now, one other county could touch what you did.

4131
05:19:19,620 --> 05:19:22,340
We need to be conservatives,

4132
05:19:25,090 --> 05:19:32,350
not liberals, not liberal with our environment, not liberal with the children's future,

4133
05:19:32,350 --> 05:19:40,730
Not liberal with the elderly's future. Not liberal with our quality of life and please turn this back up

4134
05:19:41,390 --> 05:19:43,290
Because I can get way louder.

4135
05:19:46,170 --> 05:19:47,010
Allity of life

4136
05:19:48,270 --> 05:19:48,990
Again

4137
05:19:49,990 --> 05:19:53,730
What day you guys want to go out with Captain Allen and me?

4138
05:19:54,130 --> 05:19:58,210
I will take you out and I will show you

4139
05:19:59,010 --> 05:19:59,850
The water

4140
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:02,300
Quality issues in this county.

4141
05:20:02,960 --> 05:20:06,120
Want to make me at my house at six in the morning? Sunday?

4142
05:20:06,940 --> 05:20:09,160
We won't be back till three or four.

4143
05:20:10,100 --> 05:20:17,740
No. This is a hard no. This isn't a sock. No. This is a five is zero. No. No.

4144
05:20:18,340 --> 05:20:21,680
There's a one word sentence with a period. Thank you, everybody.

4145
05:20:22,200 --> 05:20:24,780
Thank you. Why did you put these tape recorders up here?

4146
05:20:25,300 --> 05:20:28,040
I'd like to know. Why did you put these tape recorders up?

4147
05:20:28,040 --> 05:20:30,020
I don't think that's our tape recorder.

4148
05:20:30,200 --> 05:20:30,420
Okay.

4149
05:20:31,540 --> 05:20:32,620
Please come forward.

4150
05:20:32,700 --> 05:20:34,580
You'll have five minutes to date your name for the record.

4151
05:20:36,940 --> 05:20:38,560
Courtney Mason, piece of resource.

4152
05:20:46,580 --> 05:20:50,280
Commissioners, you have just heard the applicants attorney, Mr. Rob Bernstein,

4153
05:20:50,440 --> 05:20:53,660
submit for the record, the June 24th, 2026,

4154
05:20:54,140 --> 05:20:57,020
memorandum from Marian Franks, which states,

4155
05:20:57,700 --> 05:21:00,360
this final detail site plan complies with all conditions,

4156
05:21:01,180 --> 05:21:04,820
and the application, final detail site plan DRC,

4157
05:21:04,820 --> 05:21:11,160
25, 075 is generally consistent with Charlotte County's comprehensive plan, Charlotte County's

4158
05:21:11,160 --> 05:21:15,140
Code of Laws and ordinances and other applicable guidelines.

4159
05:21:15,720 --> 05:21:21,140
For the record, I believe the public testimony and documentary evidence presented today

4160
05:21:21,140 --> 05:21:25,860
will demonstrate that the record does not establish that the final detail site plan,

4161
05:21:26,440 --> 05:21:32,680
one, complies with all required conditions, two is consistent with the applicable Charlotte

4162
05:21:32,680 --> 05:21:34,460
county code of laws and ordinances.

4163
05:21:35,020 --> 05:21:37,920
And one last statement, please be careful

4164
05:21:37,920 --> 05:21:40,400
approving mulch and compost pile projects,

4165
05:21:40,720 --> 05:21:43,280
which are already on applicants property.

4166
05:21:43,800 --> 05:21:45,860
As a wife of a wild-land firefighter,

4167
05:21:45,980 --> 05:21:47,720
there have been many instances of fires

4168
05:21:47,720 --> 05:21:49,040
starting from mulch piles.

4169
05:21:49,540 --> 05:21:52,240
And we all know Burmaa Road is the last place

4170
05:21:52,240 --> 05:21:53,880
where we would want that to happen.

4171
05:21:54,180 --> 05:21:55,420
Please do not put your citizens

4172
05:21:55,420 --> 05:21:56,820
and first responders and danger.

4173
05:21:57,200 --> 05:21:57,540
Thank you.

4174
05:21:57,740 --> 05:21:58,120
Thank you.

4175
05:21:59,720 --> 05:22:00,460
Anybody want to speak?

4176
05:22:00,540 --> 05:22:01,420
Please come forward.

4177
05:22:01,420 --> 05:22:03,800
State your name for the record. You'll have five minutes.

4178
05:22:42,760 --> 05:22:44,840
I swore to tell the truth for the record.

4179
05:22:46,380 --> 05:22:54,420
Susie Little, started counting, resident. I swore to tell the truth and only the truth.

4180
05:22:56,020 --> 05:22:57,820
Does that have any meaning here?

4181
05:23:02,240 --> 05:23:05,240
In 2023, Jerry Westgler

4182
05:23:05,240 --> 05:23:14,580
stated, the soil has been degraded by years of fertilizer and insecticide application with

4183
05:23:14,580 --> 05:23:15,640
no proof.

4184
05:23:17,500 --> 05:23:24,740
Just last month, Sean Collinon continued to call the soil contaminated in an email to

4185
05:23:24,740 --> 05:23:28,060
The board with no proof,

4186
05:23:30,640 --> 05:23:54,860
oops, sorry, we tested it and now the soil is only depleted, depleted, depleted, depleted, depleted, goes the echo chamber, did anybody read it, I did, I read the soil report, did anybody,

4187
05:23:56,780 --> 05:24:05,520
The 2.3 soil quality management states, analytical results indicate the soil quality is generally

4188
05:24:05,520 --> 05:24:11,160
representative of natural occurring conditions.

4189
05:24:13,000 --> 05:24:20,240
And the analytical results do not indicate the presence of anthropogenic contamination.

4190
05:24:20,240 --> 05:24:26,700
That means no human impact on the soil.

4191
05:24:27,660 --> 05:24:37,020
The sole report 3.0 conclusions states, there is no evidence that historical citrus cultivation

4192
05:24:37,360 --> 05:24:45,040
orange grow or other known on-site activities have resulted in significant impacts to the soil.

4193
05:24:45,040 --> 05:24:55,860
The truth is, the applicant's own evidence does not establish the fact, factual predicate for the excavation they are requesting.

4194
05:24:56,980 --> 05:24:59,960
I respectfully ask the board to deny.

4195
05:25:02,280 --> 05:25:07,280
Thank you. Thank you for your comments, ma'am. Please come forward. You'll have five minutes. State your name for the

4196
05:25:07,280 --> 05:25:07,420
record.

4197
05:25:09,720 --> 05:25:15,760
Kerry DeHart, Burmont Road, Pana Gorda. DFC Jones, if you don't mind, I have a few handouts for the board, as

4198
05:25:15,760 --> 05:25:17,220
well as to be entered into the record.

4199
05:25:56,060 --> 05:26:01,200
Good afternoon, Chairman TCO and commissioners. Thank you for

4200
05:26:01,200 --> 05:26:07,660
providing me this opportunity today for me to outline to you. Why DRC comment, number

4201
05:26:07,660 --> 05:26:10,800
7 has not been demonstrated to be satisfied.

4202
05:26:12,620 --> 05:26:15,960
The DRC decision letter first establishes.

4203
05:26:16,260 --> 05:26:22,600
The following comments must be met prior to submitting the final detail site plan.

4204
05:26:23,600 --> 05:26:31,940
Section B, Roman numeral 1 of the PD, independently requires the conditions, comments indicated

4205
05:26:31,940 --> 05:26:42,180
in the site plan of DRC-22-00125 letter indicates shall be met.

4206
05:26:43,240 --> 05:26:49,620
One of those required comments is DRC decision letter number 7, which states the survey

4207
05:26:49,620 --> 05:26:52,540
should be one year old or less.

4208
05:26:52,540 --> 05:27:00,180
During the May 26th, 2026 hearing, the applicant's attorney, Mr. Rob Bernstein stated,

4209
05:27:00,600 --> 05:27:01,220
and I quote,

4210
05:27:02,160 --> 05:27:04,900
I was not the attorney on the original hearing,

4211
05:27:05,540 --> 05:27:09,260
but coming in as an attorney reviewing what is before me,

4212
05:27:09,480 --> 05:27:11,360
we have met the letter of the law,

4213
05:27:11,540 --> 05:27:11,920
unquote.

4214
05:27:13,760 --> 05:27:18,260
If the applicant asks the board to apply the letter of the law,

4215
05:27:18,260 --> 05:27:23,860
Then DRC comment number 7 should be evaluated under the same standard.

4216
05:27:24,840 --> 05:27:31,740
The survey should submit it with the final detail site plan, which I provided for you,

4217
05:27:32,260 --> 05:27:40,740
identifies the field date of September 17, 2024, and a plot date of June 2, 2025.

4218
05:27:40,740 --> 05:27:47,800
The survey distinguishes between the date the property was surveyed and the date the drawing was plotted.

4219
05:27:48,800 --> 05:27:55,320
The field date establishes that the field survey was conducted on September 17th of 2024.

4220
05:27:56,740 --> 05:28:12,260
Accordingly, although comment number seven uses the word should, the DRC decision letter states that the comments must be met, and the condition state that those comments shall be met.

4221
05:28:12,260 --> 05:28:24,580
Based on the September 17th, 2024 field date, the survey was more than one year old at the May 26th, 2026 hearing.

4222
05:28:26,480 --> 05:28:37,960
I, as such, I therefore respectfully submit that the applicant has not demonstrated compliance with DRC comment number seven.

4223
05:28:38,020 --> 05:28:39,160
Thank you.

4224
05:28:39,160 --> 05:28:41,100
Thank you for your comments, ma'am.

4225
05:28:41,240 --> 05:28:42,680
Anybody who have some speak, please come forward.

4226
05:28:43,100 --> 05:28:44,120
You'll have five minutes, sir.

4227
05:28:44,400 --> 05:28:45,400
State your name for the record.

4228
05:28:50,950 --> 05:28:52,210
Deputy, we have some handouts.

4229
05:28:54,780 --> 05:28:55,620
Sorry about that.

4230
05:28:57,240 --> 05:28:58,300
Get in your steps in today.

4231
05:29:26,880 --> 05:29:29,960
Again, good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and commissioners.

4232
05:29:30,580 --> 05:29:31,500
My name is Dwight Dean.

4233
05:29:31,640 --> 05:29:36,080
I live in Prairie Creek Park from 170 residential property owners

4234
05:29:36,080 --> 05:29:37,520
in our association.

4235
05:29:38,480 --> 05:29:41,480
Prairie Creek Park is less than two and a half miles from this proposed

4236
05:29:41,480 --> 05:29:51,460
mind site. The document titled PD Conditions for Application PD2214 identifies the comments

4237
05:29:51,460 --> 05:29:57,560
and conditions that the applicant must satisfy before final detail site plan approval.

4238
05:29:58,420 --> 05:29:59,440
Section B

4239
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:10,840
Roman numeral 1 states, quote. The conditions slash comments indicated in the DRC-22125 site plan review,

4240
05:30:11,500 --> 05:30:23,620
decision letter dated August 29, 2022, revised September 20, 2022, shall be met in quote. My comments

4241
05:30:23,620 --> 05:30:31,640
relate to this DRC decision letter specifically to comment number six, which states, quote,

4242
05:30:32,480 --> 05:30:41,040
phase one is for restoration only. You'll find this on page one of the handout before

4243
05:30:41,040 --> 05:30:49,360
you. Accordingly, in the required public notice for both the planning and zoning board and

4244
05:30:49,360 --> 05:30:58,740
of County Commissioners, it states the project as one that would, quote, only allow for an existing

4245
05:30:58,740 --> 05:31:06,760
growth to be restored to a preserve with native vegetation in quote. Additionally, the

4246
05:31:06,760 --> 05:31:16,460
May 2023 staff report states that the purpose of the rezoning application is, quote, only to

4247
05:31:16,460 --> 05:31:23,800
allow for an existing grove to be restored to a preserved, with native vegetation, in quote.

4248
05:31:24,920 --> 05:31:28,140
The question before the board is straight forward.

4249
05:31:29,060 --> 05:31:35,140
Has the applicant demonstrated that phase one is for restoration only.

4250
05:31:36,560 --> 05:31:42,940
From the document provided by the applicant, entitled analysis of proposed 13-foot evacuation

4251
05:31:42,940 --> 05:31:51,640
depth, excavation depth. He explains the basis for the proposed excavation. The analysis

4252
05:31:51,640 --> 05:32:00,100
states, quote, the 13-foot excavation must be backfilled with compost at an average of 11 feet,

4253
05:32:00,460 --> 05:32:06,840
with a remaining unfilled depth required for the planting of the restoration area in quote.

4254
05:32:08,020 --> 05:32:12,920
In that statement, the applicant directly distinguishes between the portion of the excavation

4255
05:32:12,920 --> 05:32:20,300
to be backfield with compost and the remaining depth required for planting the restoration area.

4256
05:32:20,720 --> 05:32:23,980
The analysis then states, quote,

4257
05:32:24,580 --> 05:32:34,020
the proposed 13-foot depth is necessary for the disposal of the mulch vegetative debris in quote.

4258
05:32:34,700 --> 05:32:41,560
Please note, the applicant directly distinguishes between the depth required for planting the restoration area

4259
05:32:41,560 --> 05:32:49,780
And the death he states is necessary for the disposal of the mulch vegetative debris.

4260
05:32:50,160 --> 05:32:56,040
These are not my words. These are the applicant's words, and they're directly quoted.

4261
05:32:57,200 --> 05:33:05,300
The same analysis calculates that the excavation will produce approximately 1.15 million cubic yards

4262
05:33:05,300 --> 05:33:06,700
of sand and shell.

4263
05:33:07,900 --> 05:33:15,700
The staff report also describes phase 1 activities that include excavation, backfilling, stockpiling,

4264
05:33:16,000 --> 05:33:23,200
excavated materials, possible offsite transfer of excavated materials, and supportive operational

4265
05:33:23,200 --> 05:33:23,900
facilities.

4266
05:33:24,540 --> 05:33:30,140
These associated activities extend beyond restoration only.

4267
05:33:30,140 --> 05:33:40,460
Finally, the applicant's testimony describes sales of excavated materials to pay for the Restoration Project.

4268
05:33:40,920 --> 05:33:47,160
Clearly meeting the distinctive definition of commercial excavation, in other words, mining.

4269
05:33:47,940 --> 05:34:00,120
Please understand this obvious conclusion is based entirely on the applicant's own

4270
05:34:00,120 --> 05:34:09,980
Vegetative debris, the excavation of 1.15 million cubic yards of sand and shell, stockpiling, and the sale of the evacuated materials.

4271
05:34:10,640 --> 05:34:17,400
Comment 6 does not state that restoration must be one of multiple purposes included in phase 1.

4272
05:34:17,820 --> 05:34:22,120
It simply states, phase 1 is for restoration only.

4273
05:34:22,840 --> 05:34:30,100
As you consider the petition before you, please, we urge you to decline the approval of the final detail.

4274
05:34:30,100 --> 05:34:34,760
site plan. Thank you sir. Thank you for your comments. Please come forward

4275
05:34:34,760 --> 05:34:38,580
station A for the record you will have five minutes. My name is Patty Casto. I

4276
05:34:38,580 --> 05:34:42,520
reside in Charlotte County. I have documents to submit that I'd like

4277
05:34:43,180 --> 05:34:44,520
included in the record please.

4278
05:35:07,950 --> 05:35:26,830
Good afternoon, commissioners. I come for you today to request you to deny approval of the final detail site plan for DRC25-075, water side restoration project, because BD condition I has not been demonstrated to be satisfied.

4279
05:35:28,300 --> 05:35:34,300
Condition I of the PD states the depth of the excavation activities associated with the

4280
05:35:34,300 --> 05:35:41,000
restoration project shall be no more than 13 feet. The key phrase here is associated with

4281
05:35:41,000 --> 05:35:47,280
the restoration project. Applicants own testimony demonstrates that the 13-foot excavation

4282
05:35:47,280 --> 05:35:52,840
is not being driven by restoration. At the public hearing the applicant's representative,

4283
05:35:52,840 --> 05:35:55,260
of Mr. Gary Bane of Southwest Florida,

4284
05:35:55,720 --> 05:35:57,900
Southwest Engineering and Design testified.

4285
05:35:58,660 --> 05:36:02,100
Quote, the justification for us going 13-foot deep

4286
05:36:02,100 --> 05:36:05,660
is really to get rid of this debris, unquote.

4287
05:36:06,640 --> 05:36:10,000
Applicants analysis of proposed 13-foot excavation

4288
05:36:10,000 --> 05:36:12,460
death contained in the staff report,

4289
05:36:13,060 --> 05:36:15,040
states that the property is already accepted

4290
05:36:15,040 --> 05:36:18,500
approximately a half a million cubic yards of mulch,

4291
05:36:18,920 --> 05:36:22,540
and then to anticipate receiving an additional one million

4292
05:36:22,540 --> 05:36:28,300
cubic yards for a total of approximately 1.5 million cubic yards.

4293
05:36:29,840 --> 05:36:34,980
The same analysis explains that the excavation will be back filled with compost to an average

4294
05:36:34,980 --> 05:36:41,360
depth of 11 feet, leaving only two feet for the planting of the restoration area.

4295
05:36:42,080 --> 05:36:48,400
Their own analysis groups and analysis describes the two feet as, quote, unfilled depth

4296
05:36:48,400 --> 05:36:51,220
required for the planting, unquote.

4297
05:36:51,220 --> 05:37:02,020
Another way to describe the analysis is 85% of the 13-foot depth is to accommodate vegetative

4298
05:37:02,020 --> 05:37:02,480
debris.

4299
05:37:02,820 --> 05:37:04,720
Those are nine, their numbers are not mine.

4300
05:37:05,540 --> 05:37:11,900
If only two feet is required to establish restored native vegetation, then the remaining

4301
05:37:11,900 --> 05:37:17,920
11 feet of excavation exist to accommodate debris that is accepted under contract.

4302
05:37:17,920 --> 05:37:25,900
Applicants own evidence therefore shows that the principal justification for the 13-foot excavation

4303
05:37:25,900 --> 05:37:30,300
is debris management rather than ecological restoration.

4304
05:37:31,420 --> 05:37:37,380
Condition I authorizes excavation activities associated with the restoration project.

4305
05:37:38,000 --> 05:37:44,700
It does not authorize excavation whose primary purpose is to create disposal capacity for approximately

4306
05:37:44,700 --> 05:37:51,800
one point five million cubic yards of vegetative debris. Based on the applicant's own testimony

4307
05:37:51,800 --> 05:37:57,700
and supporting analysis, the evidence does not demonstrate that the full 13-foot excavation

4308
05:37:57,700 --> 05:38:05,060
is associated with the Restoration Project as required by Condition I. For that reason,

4309
05:38:05,300 --> 05:38:10,080
I respectfully request the Board to determine that Condition I has not been a satisfied

4310
05:38:10,080 --> 05:38:13,300
and deny approval of the final detail site plan.

4311
05:38:13,660 --> 05:38:13,920
Thank you.

4312
05:38:14,040 --> 05:38:15,400
Thank you.

4313
05:38:16,100 --> 05:38:16,860
Please come forward.

4314
05:38:17,060 --> 05:38:17,740
State your name for the record.

4315
05:38:17,860 --> 05:38:18,520
You'll have five minutes.

4316
05:38:20,860 --> 05:38:21,780
I have handouts.

4317
05:38:25,280 --> 05:38:25,800
Your exercise.

4318
05:38:30,870 --> 05:38:33,930
Colonel Mary Ann Tippton, the United States Air Force retired

4319
05:38:33,930 --> 05:38:35,150
Prairie Creek West.

4320
05:38:35,550 --> 05:38:36,390
Good afternoon, gentlemen.

4321
05:38:37,130 --> 05:38:39,910
These documents are being submitted in conjunction with my comments

4322
05:38:39,910 --> 05:38:44,190
on DRC-25075, the TNV Waterside Restoration.

4323
05:38:45,210 --> 05:38:47,830
Respectfully requested the materials be included in the hearing record

4324
05:38:47,830 --> 05:38:50,490
and marked as received and identified as such.

4325
05:38:52,410 --> 05:38:55,390
My presentation will address two of the PD conditions

4326
05:38:55,390 --> 05:38:57,610
with a very close relationship today.

4327
05:38:58,130 --> 05:39:02,330
First, PD condition Roman numeral four authorizes

4328
05:39:02,330 --> 05:39:05,510
the excavation of depleted soils associated

4329
05:39:05,850 --> 05:39:07,810
with the restoration project.

4330
05:39:08,630 --> 05:39:11,630
Before granting final detail site plan approval,

4331
05:39:12,110 --> 05:39:14,690
the record should contain evidence supporting the need

4332
05:39:14,690 --> 05:39:16,390
to exercise that authorization.

4333
05:39:16,390 --> 05:39:23,050
However, the applicant's own environmental consultant reports that the solar quality is generally

4334
05:39:23,050 --> 05:39:28,470
representative of naturally occurring conditions, and that there is no evidence that

4335
05:39:28,470 --> 05:39:35,650
historical citrus cultivation or other known on-site activities have resulted in significant

4336
05:39:35,650 --> 05:39:36,950
impacts to soil.

4337
05:39:37,930 --> 05:39:45,230
Those findings do not identify depleted soils requiring excavation if the applicant's own

4338
05:39:45,230 --> 05:39:52,790
consultant does not identify depleted soils. I respectfully ask what evidence in the record

4339
05:39:52,790 --> 05:39:58,530
supports exercising the excitation authority granted by condition 4.

4340
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:08,120
Condition is L. Condition L provides, and I quote, if excavator material is to be removed from the

4341
05:40:08,120 --> 05:40:14,740
excavation site, required permits shall include a condition that the operation must comply with

4342
05:40:14,740 --> 05:40:28,200
sections, 3-5-482, 3-5-490 and 3-5-491. Condition L begins with the word IF. However, there

4343
05:40:28,200 --> 05:40:35,760
no dispute that the applicant intends to remove more than 780,000 cubic yards of excavated

4344
05:40:35,760 --> 05:40:36,900
material from the site.

4345
05:40:37,720 --> 05:40:43,300
The permit required by Condition L has not yet been issued because it cannot be granted

4346
05:40:43,300 --> 05:40:47,160
until after approval of the final detail site plan.

4347
05:40:47,780 --> 05:40:52,960
And the conditions that must be incorporated into that permit have therefore not been presented

4348
05:40:52,960 --> 05:40:53,820
to the board.

4349
05:40:55,080 --> 05:41:00,660
Accordingly, how can the Board determine that condition L has been satisfied when the permit

4350
05:41:00,660 --> 05:41:04,340
containing those required conditions does not yet exist?

4351
05:41:05,000 --> 05:41:11,020
And cannot be reviewed until after the final detail site plan is approved.

4352
05:41:12,020 --> 05:41:16,900
Condition L effectively requires the Board to approve the final detail site plan before it

4353
05:41:16,900 --> 05:41:23,020
has the opportunity to verify that the future permit contains the very conditions the board

4354
05:41:23,020 --> 05:41:30,760
previously required. That raises a straight forward question. Does the board have sufficient

4355
05:41:30,760 --> 05:41:36,740
information to determine that condition L has been satisfied? Thank you for your time.

4356
05:41:38,600 --> 05:41:39,560
Thank you, ma'am.

4357
05:41:41,640 --> 05:41:42,720
Do I have to sign this again?

4358
05:41:43,720 --> 05:41:47,340
No, I think we get the name for the record. We're good. If you just state your name for the record,

4359
05:41:47,340 --> 05:41:48,720
sure you have five minutes.

4360
05:41:49,120 --> 05:41:49,640
It's more exercise.

4361
05:41:51,780 --> 05:41:54,540
You got two sets on about if you would please.

4362
05:42:19,080 --> 05:42:20,820
When we set my timer, it's only given me a minute,

4363
05:42:20,920 --> 05:42:21,620
if it's a five.

4364
05:42:21,860 --> 05:42:23,380
No, your time should say five.

4365
05:42:23,860 --> 05:42:24,460
It doesn't.

4366
05:42:25,400 --> 05:42:25,840
It does.

4367
05:42:25,840 --> 05:42:26,860
Yeah, he just reset.

4368
05:42:26,860 --> 05:42:27,580
Perfect, you're all set.

4369
05:42:27,800 --> 05:42:28,480
Thank you.

4370
05:42:28,600 --> 05:42:29,540
Good afternoon, commissioners.

4371
05:42:29,640 --> 05:42:32,080
My name is Richard Little, resident Charlotte County.

4372
05:42:32,920 --> 05:42:34,060
I was a really great question.

4373
05:42:34,320 --> 05:42:35,580
Colonel Tipon just asked you.

4374
05:42:36,380 --> 05:42:38,000
That was an important question.

4375
05:42:38,080 --> 05:42:40,440
Does the board have sufficient information to determine

4376
05:42:40,440 --> 05:42:42,460
in that condition L has been satisfied.

4377
05:42:43,620 --> 05:42:46,140
Commissioners, my presentation concerns a threshold question,

4378
05:42:46,320 --> 05:42:48,700
and that is, is this application being reviewed

4379
05:42:48,700 --> 05:42:50,900
under the correct earth-moving ordinance?

4380
05:42:51,460 --> 05:42:54,460
I believe the county's earth-moving permit application illustrates

4381
05:42:54,460 --> 05:42:57,560
why that question should be answered before the final

4382
05:42:57,560 --> 05:42:58,900
detail site plan is approved.

4383
05:42:59,360 --> 05:43:03,640
For the standard earth-moving permit under Section 35478A6,

4384
05:43:03,720 --> 05:43:06,140
which governs earth-moving for a passive park,

4385
05:43:06,560 --> 05:43:09,120
the application requests, the application requests,

4386
05:43:09,120 --> 05:43:13,580
completions of four sections had sections 2, 3, 14, and 15.

4387
05:43:14,180 --> 05:43:15,700
Section 2 asks for general information.

4388
05:43:16,900 --> 05:43:19,660
Section 3 asks for a general project information

4389
05:43:19,660 --> 05:43:22,600
onto 14 is asked for some engineering information

4390
05:43:22,600 --> 05:43:25,400
and then section 15 is just a signature line.

4391
05:43:26,160 --> 05:43:27,820
What's equally important in that application

4392
05:43:27,820 --> 05:43:29,320
is what it does not ask.

4393
05:43:29,340 --> 05:43:31,600
It does not ask whether excavated material

4394
05:43:31,600 --> 05:43:33,020
will be removed from a site.

4395
05:43:33,040 --> 05:43:35,120
It doesn't ask whether excavated material.

4396
05:43:35,820 --> 05:43:37,640
What it would be used for after it leaves the site.

4397
05:43:37,640 --> 05:43:39,920
It doesn't ask whether the material will be sold commercially.

4398
05:43:40,740 --> 05:43:43,100
It doesn't ask whether the proposed offsite use

4399
05:43:43,100 --> 05:43:45,480
falls within another earth-moving permit ordinance.

4400
05:43:45,860 --> 05:43:47,700
Commissioners, those missing questions

4401
05:43:47,700 --> 05:43:49,680
are what I believe creates a permitting gap.

4402
05:43:50,140 --> 05:43:51,960
I met with Joan Vernon, the county engineer,

4403
05:43:52,140 --> 05:43:53,960
and move earth-moving administrator

4404
05:43:53,960 --> 05:43:55,640
and asked a hypothetical question.

4405
05:43:56,060 --> 05:43:59,020
I asked whether under section 35478

4406
05:43:59,020 --> 05:44:01,640
can an applicant remove half a million cubic yards

4407
05:44:01,640 --> 05:44:04,160
of material offsite and sell it commercially.

4408
05:44:04,160 --> 05:44:07,560
Her response, we don't ask.

4409
05:44:08,320 --> 05:44:10,380
We don't ask what they're going to do with the material.

4410
05:44:11,040 --> 05:44:12,720
The application confirms that answer.

4411
05:44:13,260 --> 05:44:17,200
It contains no question about the disposition of material coming off site.

4412
05:44:17,760 --> 05:44:23,000
Unlike the applicant who just simply completes that permit application, the water side applicant

4413
05:44:23,000 --> 05:44:24,460
answered those questions.

4414
05:44:24,760 --> 05:44:30,780
They stated 68% or more than 780,000 cubic yards of material will be sold off site.

4415
05:44:30,780 --> 05:44:36,200
At the May 26 hearing, Gary Bane testified the excavator materials would be used to go under buildings

4416
05:44:36,200 --> 05:44:40,220
and things of that nature. Attorney Rob Burns, and summarized by stating,

4417
05:44:40,640 --> 05:44:44,820
the field material has been depleted of nutrients, so it's good to use under buildings

4418
05:44:44,820 --> 05:44:49,760
for road beds and things of that nature. Read McCow and Southwest Engineering design testified

4419
05:44:49,760 --> 05:44:56,020
the excavator material we sold to generate revenue to pay for the project. Those are the applicant

4420
05:44:56,020 --> 05:44:59,980
statement statements, not mine. Commissioners now compare that.

4421
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:28,800
The applicants testimony with what the county defines as commercial excavation. Section 3, 5, 479, a specific earth-moving permit, parenthesis G states. A commercial excavation supplies materials for road beds, such as four constructions, sites such as road beds or building pads. The applicant's own testimony describes excavated materials being sold for use under buildings and road beds to generate revenue.

4422
05:45:28,800 --> 05:45:35,440
For the project, those activities appear consistent with the county's definition of commercial mining.

4423
05:45:36,400 --> 05:45:40,140
Commissioners, this application presents a threshold legal question.

4424
05:45:40,380 --> 05:45:44,400
The applicant has testified, again, more than 780,000 cubic yards,

4425
05:45:44,720 --> 05:45:49,360
exgrade a material, will be sold off-site for use under buildings and road beds,

4426
05:45:49,620 --> 05:45:52,140
and the sales will help fund the project.

4427
05:45:52,140 --> 05:46:01,460
Section 35479G defines commercial excavation as one that supplies materials for construction sites including roadbids and building paths.

4428
05:46:02,320 --> 05:46:07,140
If the board determines the applicant's own testimony places this project within that definition,

4429
05:46:07,760 --> 05:46:14,160
then the PD application should be subject to 35479G Section 1 that says,

4430
05:46:14,160 --> 05:46:22,080
the lot or lots shall be located in the rural service area and zoned EM with a mineral resource

4431
05:46:22,080 --> 05:46:27,160
extraction on a flume designation. I respectfully submit the board cannot find this application

4432
05:46:27,160 --> 05:46:32,180
consistent with the county codel laws and ordinances or find that all the comments and

4433
05:46:32,180 --> 05:46:37,720
conditions in the planned development are satisfied. Thank you very much. Thank you sir.

4434
05:46:39,350 --> 05:46:41,350
Say to your name for the record, you'll have five minutes.

4435
05:46:41,730 --> 05:46:43,190
Hello, my name is Kelly Baumann.

4436
05:46:43,470 --> 05:46:44,750
I'm from Engelwood.

4437
05:46:45,810 --> 05:46:51,270
I was asked to come speak so that might leave you with the thought why.

4438
05:46:52,230 --> 05:46:54,030
I'm fighting a big developer.

4439
05:46:56,590 --> 05:46:58,250
Over a year.

4440
05:46:59,610 --> 05:47:03,570
And I guess I really have a voice of caution.

4441
05:47:04,390 --> 05:47:09,130
Your folks here are extremely educated with what's going on.

4442
05:47:09,130 --> 05:47:37,170
The idea of these projects that go from 2007 to current, we think like, oh, everything's done, everything's taken care of, all the eyes are dotted and tees are crossed, I would challenge you, you're making the decisions for these citizens, they're coming to you, who do they have to look out for them and they're best interests, the neighbors in this area that they want to dig 13 feet,

4443
05:47:37,170 --> 05:47:42,770
exposed rate on gases, interrupt the aquifer.

4444
05:47:43,550 --> 05:47:46,090
We've heard what Tim has shared about the water,

4445
05:47:46,270 --> 05:47:49,670
I mean, who can speak more intelligently about that.

4446
05:47:50,350 --> 05:47:51,470
And we should listen.

4447
05:47:53,410 --> 05:47:58,130
I have a huge development behind me with a buffer of 16 feet.

4448
05:47:58,730 --> 05:48:02,810
And I can quite hear all the trucks when they were developing

4449
05:48:03,330 --> 05:48:05,370
as if they were coming into my kitchen.

4450
05:48:05,370 --> 05:48:13,750
So, an eight-foot buffer that the applicant presented is a joke.

4451
05:48:15,730 --> 05:48:23,410
We've seen projects after projects for a percent, and I just plead with you, we're in

4452
05:48:23,410 --> 05:48:24,710
a different time.

4453
05:48:24,710 --> 05:48:35,310
There's so much threat to the livelihood of your residents, our community, Florida, the agriculture.

4454
05:48:37,490 --> 05:48:44,250
Please caution, know what you're voting for, and your 2,000 page summary.

4455
05:48:45,530 --> 05:48:48,130
Maybe read all of it, find print.

4456
05:48:48,630 --> 05:48:56,310
And I was going to just mention things that need to be cautious of, but these residents know

4457
05:48:57,390 --> 05:49:04,270
where this applicant has fallen short, and please listen, do the right thing.

4458
05:49:04,910 --> 05:49:05,890
Thank you, ma'am.

4459
05:49:34,850 --> 05:49:38,770
Point of information, Mr. Chair, I believe this meeting has set the record for the number

4460
05:49:38,770 --> 05:49:39,930
of handouts from the public.

4461
05:49:40,010 --> 05:49:41,490
Yeah, I think you're right,

4462
05:49:49,880 --> 05:49:51,200
but we can accept these right, Commissioner?

4463
05:49:51,960 --> 05:49:52,200
Okay.

4464
05:49:53,710 --> 05:49:55,130
It's one to make sure.

4465
05:50:00,000 --> 05:50:15,000
State your name for the record, you'll have five minutes. My name is Diane Heck. I'm a retired geologist in my career. Spanted many years working both in environmental consulting and for a major chemical company, both in the United States and outside the United States.

4466
05:50:15,080 --> 05:50:25,260
I've done everything from soil sampling all the way through to dealing with regulatory agencies and compliance activities. And I've also worked on lots of geotechnical activities.

4467
05:50:25,260 --> 05:50:37,540
I've looked at the applicant's various request actions and documentation from the perspective of what's consistent with sound environmental science and regulatory compliance and I have some things to share that I noted.

4468
05:50:38,320 --> 05:50:46,020
We've talked a lot about contamination. The original application did request removal of soils, sand and shell, due to contamination.

4469
05:50:46,020 --> 05:50:52,460
as we heard there's no evidence, and even if there was contamination in my experience,

4470
05:50:52,580 --> 05:50:58,040
removal would be the last resort that an agency or anyone would pursue. It's too risky.

4471
05:50:58,440 --> 05:51:04,500
Capping and other mitigations would be what would be done. And the agency would never allow

4472
05:51:04,500 --> 05:51:12,780
the sale or use of contaminated material in general public activities. The current application

4473
05:51:12,780 --> 05:51:17,960
request removal of soil sand and shell because it is depleted, again, we've heard where there

4474
05:51:17,960 --> 05:51:24,520
is no evidence or data given of that depletion. Even if the soils were depleted, they

4475
05:51:24,520 --> 05:51:30,240
should be doing what we do as homeowners, and that's bringing a couple feet of fertile soil

4476
05:51:30,240 --> 05:51:37,340
for to plant your native vegetation. On a side note, when I was in consulting in Delaware,

4477
05:51:37,340 --> 05:51:45,520
We were brought in to work on a project where a developer had buried, illegally buried, mixed,

4478
05:51:46,060 --> 05:51:52,170
debris, vegetative debris with soil. After several years, they put it in pits. After several years,

4479
05:51:54,020 --> 05:52:00,740
the methane gas was produced from the degradation of the, the biological material. It got into the

4480
05:52:00,740 --> 05:52:05,960
This was a new housing development, a plumber found it through a flash ignition.

4481
05:52:06,720 --> 05:52:08,120
People were evacuated.

4482
05:52:08,840 --> 05:52:11,880
There was this was a big assessment remediation.

4483
05:52:12,100 --> 05:52:18,620
There were significant mitigations, including putting ventilation systems into the people's

4484
05:52:18,620 --> 05:52:19,100
the property.

4485
05:52:19,500 --> 05:52:25,600
So it doesn't seem to be a good idea to plant 13 feet, 11 feet of vegetation, where I think there

4486
05:52:25,600 --> 05:52:29,420
has been discussion that this would be a housing development, hopefully in the future.

4487
05:52:31,980 --> 05:52:36,860
Florida DEP, the Environmental Resources Permit, known as the ERP, was just granted here

4488
05:52:36,860 --> 05:52:43,340
in 2026. And regarding backfill, the ERP specifies only the use of clean debris and clean

4489
05:52:43,340 --> 05:52:51,340
fill, which is defined. Clean debris means it's got to be inert, it's not vegetation. And

4490
05:52:51,340 --> 05:52:55,300
The same thing is for clean fill, I mean, that's generally sand and dirt.

4491
05:52:56,560 --> 05:53:02,140
So with the ERP conditions, vegetative material is not allowed to be placed in whole or blended

4492
05:53:02,140 --> 05:53:06,300
with the soil and dispose of in excavations.

4493
05:53:08,300 --> 05:53:15,660
There were materials on the website today, Ms. Kitsmiller, and this is also these conditions,

4494
05:53:15,660 --> 05:53:23,180
the ERP condition is highlighted in her presentation, and also I think that there were, you know,

4495
05:53:23,280 --> 05:53:27,840
this topic has come before you before, the ERP conditions were known at that time. I don't understand

4496
05:53:27,840 --> 05:53:35,400
why they weren't brought forward to you during them. Also, the applicant does have a history throughout

4497
05:53:35,400 --> 05:53:42,820
their operation of non-compliance activities and environmental regulatory violations, including the

4498
05:53:42,820 --> 05:53:49,580
The initial hydraulic barrier ditches were not permitted, and so that had to be done after

4499
05:53:49,580 --> 05:53:50,180
the fact.

4500
05:53:50,760 --> 05:53:56,140
And I heard mention of the General Yard Waste Permit that expired March 16th of this year,

4501
05:53:56,320 --> 05:54:00,720
and I didn't see in the record anything on the extension or a new permit.

4502
05:54:01,800 --> 05:54:07,400
The applicant, as we've heard, the quantities, that's they intend to sell 79% of the

4503
05:54:07,400 --> 05:54:11,500
sand and 66% of the shell that's getting dug from this pit.

4504
05:54:11,500 --> 05:54:17,480
And again, there's no scientific reason or data that I can find for why this needs to be removed.

4505
05:54:18,500 --> 05:54:23,240
So therefore, my conclusion is that the applicants seek to get around the legal framework

4506
05:54:23,240 --> 05:54:29,080
and create unsafe conditions for their profit and avoid the expense of proper legal disposal

4507
05:54:29,080 --> 05:54:34,220
of the landscape material. They've already been paid to manage. The solution is simple,

4508
05:54:35,300 --> 05:54:39,120
follow through on what they were paid to do in properly disposed of the landscape material

4509
05:54:39,120 --> 05:54:46,880
I'll say, I provided you with my qualifications and ask that you accept me as an expert on environmental remediation and related regulatory matters.

4510
05:54:47,120 --> 05:54:47,760
Thank you.

4511
05:54:47,840 --> 05:54:48,400
Thank you, comments.

4512
05:55:00,140 --> 05:55:04,400
And there's seven copies, so. But there's thick.

4513
05:55:08,670 --> 05:55:12,930
I promise commissioners, you've seen all of these pages except maybe the top ones.

4514
05:55:15,670 --> 05:55:21,350
You don't get to speak today unless you have a handout. I know. So I've paid my dues.

4515
05:55:23,450 --> 05:55:26,650
Well, I think when it's all said and done, there it comes. Oh, they went.

4516
05:55:28,810 --> 05:55:29,710
I'm sorry.

4517
05:55:37,240 --> 05:55:42,460
Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Percy Angelom. In 2023, you were told the water site

4518
05:55:42,460 --> 05:55:47,800
site needed a plan development for restoration because it was impacted by orange grove operations.

4519
05:55:48,040 --> 05:55:51,140
I don't care whether you search for the word contaminant. Look at the record as a whole.

4520
05:55:51,820 --> 05:55:55,140
This was false and water side had no facts to support his claim.

4521
05:55:55,680 --> 05:55:59,640
And the record of that hearing shows that that was why you approved this plan development.

4522
05:55:59,640 --> 05:56:02,800
water side was going to dig out the impacted soil.

4523
05:56:03,460 --> 05:56:06,980
Then you are misled again in May when you were told the soil was depleted.

4524
05:56:07,400 --> 05:56:12,120
Testing in October 23 showed soil levels consistent with naturally occurring conditions,

4525
05:56:12,640 --> 05:56:14,960
and that's a quote from Mr. Brown's own report.

4526
05:56:15,700 --> 05:56:20,180
That report was filed with you in July, but they had that information since October 23.

4527
05:56:20,640 --> 05:56:23,880
They knowingly misled you about depleted soils.

4528
05:56:24,640 --> 05:56:28,300
So even though the soils are not an issue when water side has misled you twice, it's

4529
05:56:28,300 --> 05:56:32,220
wants to dig it out to 13 feet and sell most of it.

4530
05:56:32,440 --> 05:56:33,880
This, of course, is a mine.

4531
05:56:34,260 --> 05:56:37,440
The 2023 hearing transcript in the case that you understood

4532
05:56:37,440 --> 05:56:39,940
they could mine anyway because they were agricultural.

4533
05:56:40,800 --> 05:56:41,760
You were misled.

4534
05:56:42,280 --> 05:56:46,000
An excavation is allowed so it can store water for crops.

4535
05:56:46,480 --> 05:56:49,080
This hole is going to be dry to be filled with waste.

4536
05:56:49,400 --> 05:56:52,720
So it's a mine, but it doesn't have the right zoning for a mine.

4537
05:56:53,740 --> 05:56:56,500
I looked at the 2023 test results for the site.

4538
05:56:56,500 --> 05:57:02,760
Those results did not show contamination or depletion, but they did show that the samples were taken only 12 inches down.

4539
05:57:03,180 --> 05:57:06,120
From my 25-year experience with environmental cleanups,

4540
05:57:06,560 --> 05:57:12,740
these service tests would never have supported a plan to dig up to 13 feet for imagined contamination.

4541
05:57:14,380 --> 05:57:19,820
Waterside has admitted to the state that it is a waste disposal facility, and by the way,

4542
05:57:20,000 --> 05:57:24,020
everyone at the county besides community knows it's a landfill because that's

4543
05:57:24,020 --> 05:57:29,500
contract with them as a landfill, but it doesn't have zoning for waste disposal and doesn't

4544
05:57:29,500 --> 05:57:35,120
want to ask you for it. So how are they getting around this? The document at the top of the

4545
05:57:35,120 --> 05:57:42,440
package I gave you explains it. In 2013, water-sides lawyer invented a way around the waste facility

4546
05:57:42,440 --> 05:57:48,040
citing more nuts at its site next door by claiming that the waste was being used in berms around

4547
05:57:48,040 --> 05:57:53,700
the excavation and could be permitted by a so-called administrative permit. The administrative

4548
05:57:53,700 --> 05:58:21,820
department was not public and not approved by the board. She proposed this to county staff and that's what they did. Gary Baines submitted a barebones application and in 2015 Joanne Vernon sent a three line administrative permit letter. Those are the documents at the top of my hand on. Then in 2023 at the time of the hearings in this case water sides attorney reminded county staff about the 2015 letter and without coming to you or telling the public.

4549
05:58:22,720 --> 05:58:27,300
But this time, Waterside was going to mind and landfill as part of a PD for restoration.

4550
05:58:27,560 --> 05:58:32,820
They were using the PD process instead of the secret administrative permit and it worked.

4551
05:58:33,440 --> 05:58:39,780
In 23, Waterside didn't tell you the site was in mind or a waste disposal facility and the county staff didn't either.

4552
05:58:40,420 --> 05:58:43,560
And Waterside, by the way, isn't even complying with its own fake permit.

4553
05:58:44,420 --> 05:58:50,520
Even though it wasn't supposed to under its operating standards under its permit,

4554
05:58:50,520 --> 05:58:51,920
It's operating standards.

4555
05:58:52,560 --> 05:58:54,520
It can accept pitressable waste.

4556
05:58:54,980 --> 05:58:56,380
They tell us now they're not going to,

4557
05:58:56,500 --> 05:58:57,700
but they're standards say they can.

4558
05:58:57,820 --> 05:58:59,540
Petressable means decayable.

4559
05:59:00,120 --> 05:59:00,800
It smells.

4560
05:59:02,140 --> 05:59:05,320
And they're going to put that bottom of the dry hole.

4561
05:59:05,520 --> 05:59:08,060
So this can never be used for irrigation.

4562
05:59:08,640 --> 05:59:12,060
Not just in berms, as assumed by the administrative permit.

4563
05:59:12,540 --> 05:59:15,780
So this was mining and waste disposal and water side

4564
05:59:15,780 --> 05:59:18,860
persuaded you to approve it by at least three fundamental

4565
05:59:18,860 --> 05:59:25,260
falsities. One, that there was contamination. Two, that it was a legal ag excavation.

4566
05:59:26,180 --> 05:59:31,560
And three, that it was legitimately authorized to operate as a waste disposal facility when it wasn't.

4567
05:59:32,240 --> 05:59:36,220
It's absolutely clearly within your power to reject the final site plan,

4568
05:59:36,600 --> 05:59:39,700
which has nothing to do with restoration. And you should do so.

4569
05:59:40,000 --> 05:59:44,420
But it's also within your power to determine that the 2023 approval for restoration

4570
05:59:44,420 --> 05:59:51,460
does not authorize a mind or a solid waste facility and that the site is in violation of land use and zoning.

4571
05:59:52,040 --> 05:59:56,940
The so-called administrative permit can't create an end-run around waste-siting ordinances.

4572
05:59:57,440 --> 05:59:59,980
And my written filing describes the doctrine called fraud.

4573
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:05,600
On the court, which I believe you should investigate, as it means to finally nullifying the 23 decision.

4574
06:00:06,360 --> 06:00:12,300
So, I ask that my email of last week with attachments which I just gave you, big accepted as exhibits to my testimony.

4575
06:00:13,200 --> 06:00:25,860
And I also have provided you my qualifications as an expert. I practiced for 25 years in the area of landfill regulation and ways for mediation and environmental remediation.

4576
06:00:26,620 --> 06:00:27,300
Thank you.

4577
06:00:27,300 --> 06:00:29,060
Thank you.

4578
06:00:29,160 --> 06:00:30,580
Edibration Speak, please come forward.

4579
06:00:30,760 --> 06:00:31,520
State your name for the record.

4580
06:00:31,680 --> 06:00:33,000
You will have five minutes.

4581
06:00:54,370 --> 06:00:54,950
Good afternoon.

4582
06:00:55,770 --> 06:00:57,170
My name is Camila Spicer.

4583
06:00:57,350 --> 06:01:00,950
I'm a resident, a neighbor of this project.

4584
06:01:01,650 --> 06:01:02,910
I've been here before.

4585
06:01:04,330 --> 06:01:11,990
I am totally overwhelmed by the testimony of the people

4586
06:01:11,990 --> 06:01:14,870
who are speaking against this plan.

4587
06:01:14,870 --> 06:01:44,730
their intelligence, the levels of expertise these people have a lot of background history, the amount of effort that they have put into this, doing the research, finding specific testimony from the applicant, from previous hearings, the skill that it takes, to pull that stuff out, and put it into concise testimony,

4588
06:01:44,730 --> 06:01:51,750
in less than five minutes, the understanding that they have of how you, the board work, and

4589
06:01:51,750 --> 06:01:55,410
how these types of projects work,

4590
06:01:58,860 --> 06:02:02,160
the amount, the science that they know, the background that

4591
06:02:02,160 --> 06:02:12,060
they come from, all different types of education and history. I wish I could do that. I can't.

4592
06:02:12,280 --> 06:02:16,960
I don't. They spell it out for you. They give it to you on paper. That's why you have all those

4593
06:02:16,960 --> 06:02:25,300
they're saying. You don't have to listen to the whole thing again. Here it is. Spoon fed to you.

4594
06:02:29,400 --> 06:02:36,060
We didn't ask for this. None of these people who have put all this immense amount of time into this.

4595
06:02:36,060 --> 06:02:41,300
We didn't ask for it. We just moved to the country. We didn't ask for it at all. You guys asked for it.

4596
06:02:41,440 --> 06:02:49,300
You guys went to a lot of effort to be here. Decide in this for us. A lot of effort. You've been here a lot of

4597
06:02:50,300 --> 06:02:56,040
the whole bunch of you. It's your responsibility. You have a staff. We don't have a staff.

4598
06:02:56,580 --> 06:03:03,840
We don't have fancy projections to show you. Everybody of us is doing the best we can.

4599
06:03:04,200 --> 06:03:10,360
And I think that you owe it to us, the neighbors, the citizens who put in all this effort.

4600
06:03:10,660 --> 06:03:15,240
I think that you owe it to us to not approve this.

4601
06:03:15,240 --> 06:03:21,180
And I think that all these people who have spoken to you today deserve to hear your response.

4602
06:03:21,740 --> 06:03:22,980
Thank you very much.

4603
06:03:23,220 --> 06:03:24,100
Thank you for your comments, ma

4604
06:03:27,580 --> 06:03:28,180
'am.

4605
06:03:28,280 --> 06:03:28,800
Name for the record.

4606
06:03:28,820 --> 06:03:29,520
You'll have five minutes,

4607
06:03:31,630 --> 06:03:31,630
sir.

4608
06:03:32,050 --> 06:03:34,170
My name is Samuel Turpinning.

4609
06:03:34,770 --> 06:03:39,290
And if I'm going to talk about this in a look a bit of a different way.

4610
06:03:39,570 --> 06:03:43,170
Gay Brown is a regenerative agriculture and farmer.

4611
06:03:43,550 --> 06:03:46,110
And he wrote the book, Dirt to Soil.

4612
06:03:46,110 --> 06:04:00,230
So, if you don't want to read all of that stuff, maybe you should read the book about what dirt and what soil actually is and what we heard today is that all that exists is dead dirt, nothing grows.

4613
06:04:00,910 --> 06:04:09,090
So, I'm here today to talk about a very specific word game being played with our community, our properties, and our pockets.

4614
06:04:09,090 --> 06:04:14,190
When you sit down with the county representatives, the engineers of the project managers, they

4615
06:04:14,190 --> 06:04:16,070
love to use a word, soil.

4616
06:04:16,790 --> 06:04:18,650
They use it because it sounds professional.

4617
06:04:19,110 --> 06:04:20,030
It sounds clinical.

4618
06:04:20,490 --> 06:04:25,010
They talk about soil profile, soil analysis, and soil remediation.

4619
06:04:25,390 --> 06:04:29,890
They stand in front of us with their clipboards and the report and their tests that show

4620
06:04:29,890 --> 06:04:32,390
no chemical contamination and the soil.

4621
06:04:32,590 --> 06:04:33,290
They smile.

4622
06:04:33,450 --> 06:04:36,910
They shake their heads and they tell us everything is perfectly sick.

4623
06:04:36,910 --> 06:04:41,630
But I don't see soil out there, soil is a living thing.

4624
06:04:42,090 --> 06:04:53,490
Soil has nutrients, soil has structure, bones, moisture, and the biological power to feed a seed and grow a tree.

4625
06:04:54,250 --> 06:04:59,430
What we actually have out there is dirt, plain, dead, ruined.

4626
06:05:00,000 --> 06:05:29,980
Dirt. Let's stop using their polished vocabulary and start using some basic everyday common sense. Dirt is what you are left with when the life has been completely choked out of the ground. Dirt is what happens when having machinery crushes the earth into concrete, or when infrastructure failures drown the root systems, or when the fertile top layers of scraped away and replaced with nothing, but bear in clay and sorrow.

4627
06:05:30,000 --> 06:05:36,620
And that brings us to the ultimate contradiction on one hand the county looks us and the

4628
06:05:36,620 --> 06:05:39,560
eye and insists that the dirt is not a problem.

4629
06:05:39,940 --> 06:05:45,600
They claim it isn't contaminated, meaning they didn't find an industrial chemical leak that

4630
06:05:45,600 --> 06:05:48,300
triggers a multi-million dollar federal lawsuit.

4631
06:05:48,740 --> 06:05:54,160
Because it doesn't violate a narrow legal loophole, they want us to believe it is healthy.

4632
06:05:54,160 --> 06:06:03,840
But on the other hand, the county has authorized public tax dollars to fund a massive reclamation on the project.

4633
06:06:04,500 --> 06:06:15,160
They are preparing to bring in heavy equipment, mobilize contractors and truck and massive loads of entirely new Earth just to plant a few trees that will die.

4634
06:06:15,160 --> 06:06:23,880
Let alone where's the contaminated or the dead dirt going to go to go somewhere else and make something else dead?

4635
06:06:24,720 --> 06:06:29,120
The dead dirt goes somewhere else that becomes dead land too.

4636
06:06:29,300 --> 06:06:34,660
So you want to take dead land and move it somewhere else so it becomes dead land where you drop off that

4637
06:06:35,460 --> 06:06:36,180
material

4638
06:06:36,960 --> 06:06:43,320
It's common sense at this point ladies and gentlemen of this room and of the dyes

4639
06:06:43,320 --> 06:06:45,680
So let's let that sink in.

4640
06:06:45,880 --> 06:06:48,300
Let's look at the simple logic of that equation.

4641
06:06:48,600 --> 06:06:51,420
If the ground is in broken, why are we paying to fix it?

4642
06:06:51,540 --> 06:06:54,960
If the dirt isn't ruined, why can't a tree survive in it today?

4643
06:06:55,200 --> 06:07:01,540
If I can't take a hole in my own yard, drop a root ball and watch it grow without a government-funded

4644
06:07:02,120 --> 06:07:05,900
intervention, then that ground is dysfunctional period.

4645
06:07:06,480 --> 06:07:08,880
We all know exactly what is happening here.

4646
06:07:08,880 --> 06:07:13,740
The paperwork is being written to protect liability, not to reflect reality.

4647
06:07:14,140 --> 06:07:18,640
The phrase non-contaminated isn't a clean bill of health for our land.

4648
06:07:18,860 --> 06:07:20,920
It is a legal shield for the county.

4649
06:07:21,160 --> 06:07:24,040
It's a way for them to say, look, we are fixing it.

4650
06:07:24,120 --> 06:07:27,720
But don't you dare try to sue us for damaging your property value.

4651
06:07:28,000 --> 06:07:31,000
Will common sense doesn't care about legal shields.

4652
06:07:31,460 --> 06:07:37,980
Common sense says that if a machine stops working, you don't call it functional just because it isn't on fire.

4653
06:07:37,980 --> 06:07:41,440
If a plot of land cannot support life, it has been ruined.

4654
06:07:41,920 --> 06:07:51,160
Colleague, uncontaminated soil, while ordinary dump trucks of replacement earth is an insult to the intelligence of every single person in this room.

4655
06:07:51,540 --> 06:07:54,240
We are glad the county has paid for this reclamation.

4656
06:07:54,780 --> 06:07:59,660
Are we, it's the absolute bare minimum, what the hell is going on?

4657
06:07:59,980 --> 06:08:05,020
Why would you want to spend the money, read the book, read the book,

4658
06:08:06,000 --> 06:08:08,920
Mr. Brown read a book, wrote the book.

4659
06:08:09,660 --> 06:08:12,180
His world renowned read the book.

4660
06:08:12,220 --> 06:08:15,240
It talks about how you can regenerate land

4661
06:08:15,240 --> 06:08:18,620
without moving it with earth machines

4662
06:08:18,620 --> 06:08:20,580
in order to bring in more dirt

4663
06:08:20,580 --> 06:08:22,440
that's only going to die anyways

4664
06:08:22,440 --> 06:08:24,980
because 13 feet isn't low enough.

4665
06:08:25,100 --> 06:08:27,420
Once it's contaminated, it sinks in.

4666
06:08:27,780 --> 06:08:32,220
We live on a porous, limestone foundation.

4667
06:08:32,220 --> 06:08:36,120
and all sinks into the aquifer and our water system.

4668
06:08:36,620 --> 06:08:37,520
Thank you, sir.

4669
06:08:38,480 --> 06:08:39,080
Please come forward.

4670
06:08:39,280 --> 06:08:40,660
Stay tuned for the Recule F5 minutes.

4671
06:08:47,940 --> 06:08:49,000
We're adding to the pile.

4672
06:08:53,500 --> 06:08:55,840
I saw you do the pre-drop off on those.

4673
06:08:57,340 --> 06:09:00,480
You must have been a former manager of a city one time.

4674
06:09:03,510 --> 06:09:05,150
I've expected no less for me.

4675
06:09:10,440 --> 06:09:11,260
You're recognized, sir.

4676
06:09:11,540 --> 06:09:12,300
How are you, Nick?

4677
06:09:13,040 --> 06:09:13,800
Very quick, Wes.

4678
06:09:14,680 --> 06:09:15,860
My name is Howard Cueenett.

4679
06:09:19,140 --> 06:09:24,720
I'm also speaking on behalf of David Northcut, who was unable to attend in person.

4680
06:09:25,440 --> 06:09:30,720
Mr. Northcut is a certified analytical engineer and a voting member of the Institute

4681
06:09:30,720 --> 06:09:37,580
at Transportation Engineers and relied on ITEs, own manuals and guidance in preparing information.

4682
06:09:38,540 --> 06:09:44,460
Each traffic related document in this packet that you've received was previously provided

4683
06:09:44,460 --> 06:09:46,880
to the board and relevant county staff.

4684
06:09:47,800 --> 06:09:52,740
The mitigation plan, Rebottle, is now included as well, and we respectfully request that

4685
06:09:52,740 --> 06:09:57,160
the complete package be accepted and entered into the hearing record as written testimony.

4686
06:09:57,940 --> 06:09:59,960
Our concern is not that the applicant-

4687
06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:17,720
Fail to submit a traffic study. Our concern is whether the record contains sufficiently current, representative, documented, and independently reviewed evidence for this board to rely on. Mr. North Cuts of correspondence identifies four central problems.

4688
06:10:17,720 --> 06:10:24,680
First, the analysis relies heavily on averages and representative conditions, although the project

4689
06:10:24,680 --> 06:10:30,880
materials acknowledge uneven truck activity, operation surges, pletuning and other

4690
06:10:30,880 --> 06:10:31,520
variability.

4691
06:10:32,460 --> 06:10:36,880
Second, the record does not clearly show the county's independent concurrency determination.

4692
06:10:37,820 --> 06:10:43,820
Third, no project specific analysis has been identified concerning evacuation, emergency

4693
06:10:43,820 --> 06:10:50,800
access root failure or post-storm recovery. Fourth, the record does not quantify the

4694
06:10:50,800 --> 06:10:55,920
pavement life consumed by this heavy truck traffic, the resulting maintenance or

4695
06:10:55,920 --> 06:11:01,880
reconstruction cost or who will bear that cost. Ordinary vehicle counts and passenger

4696
06:11:01,880 --> 06:11:09,120
car equivalents do not measure pavement damage or taxpayer exposure. These are not

4697
06:11:09,120 --> 06:11:15,280
requests that the board performed traffic engineering. They are requests that the board insist upon

4698
06:11:15,280 --> 06:11:22,300
the basic requirement underlying any defensible technical decision. The applicant has submitted

4699
06:11:22,300 --> 06:11:27,540
a mitigation plan, describing berms, water trucks, monitoring wells, maintenance programs,

4700
06:11:27,900 --> 06:11:34,520
complaint procedures, operating limits, and corrective actions. Those measures sound as

4701
06:11:34,520 --> 06:11:41,400
occurring. But they raise a separate question. Does the record provide a reasonable basis

4702
06:11:41,400 --> 06:11:48,400
to trust that these promises will be followed, documented, and enforced? Much as a plan

4703
06:11:48,400 --> 06:11:55,000
is written in future tense. Measures will be implemented. Personnel will monitor. Complaints

4704
06:11:55,000 --> 06:12:02,420
will be investigated. Corrective action will be taken. Additional controls may be installed.

4705
06:12:02,420 --> 06:12:06,780
And these are intentions, not evidence of performance.

4706
06:12:09,260 --> 06:12:16,240
Questions have been raised regarding issues concerning prior permitting operations and compliance.

4707
06:12:17,540 --> 06:12:23,960
The plan calls itself the water side yard trash disposal and composting facility, while

4708
06:12:23,960 --> 06:12:27,620
other technical materials refer to a mining operation.

4709
06:12:27,620 --> 06:12:30,940
The central principle is the same.

4710
06:12:31,680 --> 06:12:33,200
A plan is not proof.

4711
06:12:34,260 --> 06:12:36,000
A promise is not performance.

4712
06:12:37,180 --> 06:12:39,280
A record must show performance.

4713
06:12:41,000 --> 06:12:44,520
We asked the board to climb to rely upon unresolved analysis

4714
06:12:44,520 --> 06:12:48,000
and unsupported future assertances.

4715
06:12:49,420 --> 06:12:52,970
In a prior life, when an issue was raised

4716
06:12:53,140 --> 06:12:55,340
as I worked in local government,

4717
06:12:56,320 --> 06:13:01,720
Our response initially was, that's the way we've always done it.

4718
06:13:02,220 --> 06:13:05,860
And sometimes it worked out where that was fine.

4719
06:13:06,860 --> 06:13:09,520
Other times things needed to be changed.

4720
06:13:09,580 --> 06:13:11,340
The process needed to be changed.

4721
06:13:11,900 --> 06:13:15,300
And if we were too slow, we had egg on our face.

4722
06:13:17,140 --> 06:13:20,660
The county's brand is delivering exceptional service.

4723
06:13:20,660 --> 06:13:25,640
It's the mantra of the elected officials and county staff.

4724
06:13:26,300 --> 06:13:29,260
Heck, it applies to all of us in this room.

4725
06:13:30,100 --> 06:13:33,120
We all share an ownership in its performance.

4726
06:13:34,500 --> 06:13:39,340
As you listen to today's testimony, we ask a basic question,

4727
06:13:40,460 --> 06:13:45,620
has delivering exceptional service been realized by the applicant and staff

4728
06:13:45,620 --> 06:13:49,140
and everyone else throughout this whole process.

4729
06:13:49,780 --> 06:14:00,360
Based on the record presently before you, we respectfully request you to deny DRC-25-075 water-side mining operation.

4730
06:14:00,960 --> 06:14:01,300
Thank you.

4731
06:14:01,340 --> 06:14:02,180
Thank you, sir.

4732
06:14:02,760 --> 06:14:04,060
In addition, speak please come forward.

4733
06:14:04,220 --> 06:14:04,940
State your name for the record.

4734
06:14:05,080 --> 06:14:05,920
You'll have five minutes.

4735
06:14:19,120 --> 06:14:20,220
I'm meeting your requirement.

4736
06:14:22,000 --> 06:14:23,740
Okay, you can speak then.

4737
06:14:23,940 --> 06:14:24,560
Get the hand out.

4738
06:14:26,620 --> 06:14:27,500
This is a record.

4739
06:14:29,490 --> 06:14:30,570
Of course, hall.

4740
06:14:31,670 --> 06:14:32,450
Thank you.

4741
06:14:35,330 --> 06:14:40,390
Good afternoon. My name is Jerry Waxler and I have been sworn. I'm a licensed attorney and I practice

4742
06:14:40,390 --> 06:14:44,790
land use and zoning almost exclusively for 35 years until my recent retirement.

4743
06:14:45,810 --> 06:14:50,390
Shortly before our retired, I represented TMV properties Inc at the PD rezoning in 2023.

4744
06:14:50,970 --> 06:14:56,110
But I am not currently engaged as their attorney for any matter, including today's final detail plan approval.

4745
06:14:56,110 --> 06:14:59,970
I'm here today to refute accusations of n-

4746
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:06,600
This representation and deceit that had been repeatedly made by Percy Angelo. The Sanjalo makes

4747
06:15:06,600 --> 06:15:12,180
essentially three claims. One, that water side has been operating at a legal mine. It has

4748
06:15:12,180 --> 06:15:18,200
not. Bermut wrote partnerships application to rezone a portion of its property to excavation and mining

4749
06:15:18,200 --> 06:15:24,700
was approved in August 2008. It applied for a group three excavation prior to the adoption

4750
06:15:24,700 --> 06:15:29,200
of the middle resource extraction land use and was therefore grandfathered from the requirement

4751
06:15:29,200 --> 06:15:31,060
to obtain a land use change.

4752
06:15:31,660 --> 06:15:37,980
The Group 3 excavation was approved in March 2010 by the hearing examiner after a public hearing.

4753
06:15:38,960 --> 06:15:43,220
At the hearing for TMV, we spoke about how the excavation that would happen on the

4754
06:15:43,220 --> 06:15:50,400
rest of the restoration fell under your excavation ordinance 3-5-478 subs 6.

4755
06:15:50,540 --> 06:15:56,300
It was a re-require, a standard earth-moving permit because it would be creating a passive park.

4756
06:15:57,100 --> 06:16:01,300
That does not require approval by your administrative, by your

4757
06:16:01,300 --> 06:16:02,640
earth-moving administrator.

4758
06:16:03,260 --> 06:16:07,240
However, we agreed, offered at the hearing, and agreed that we would go

4759
06:16:07,240 --> 06:16:13,260
through the regular permitting process with review and approval by the

4760
06:16:13,260 --> 06:16:18,560
administrator to mitigate concerns about that particular excavation.

4761
06:16:19,680 --> 06:16:24,700
The second claim is that water slide is operating a waste disposal

4762
06:16:24,700 --> 06:16:27,160
landfill without commission approval and absent

4763
06:16:27,160 --> 06:16:28,160
of public hearings.

4764
06:16:29,120 --> 06:16:32,700
In 2013 and currently, your citing ordinance

4765
06:16:32,700 --> 06:16:36,020
exempted from its provisions, the use of non-putressable

4766
06:16:36,020 --> 06:16:39,320
solid waste material, such as jarg waste, for great improvements,

4767
06:16:39,880 --> 06:16:41,460
done in conjunction with the building permit.

4768
06:16:42,200 --> 06:16:45,040
I met with County Attorney Josh Moya and Community

4769
06:16:45,040 --> 06:16:46,720
Development Director Ty Harris, obviously

4770
06:16:46,720 --> 06:16:49,460
discuss back several years, to discuss the applicability

4771
06:16:49,460 --> 06:16:52,320
of this provision to the yard waste processing facility

4772
06:16:52,320 --> 06:16:57,080
that was being proposed for the Burmont Road Partnership, the TMV

4773
06:16:57,080 --> 06:16:59,040
Property, Burmont Road Partnership property, actually.

4774
06:16:59,460 --> 06:17:02,280
I followed up my meeting with an email recapping the discussions

4775
06:17:02,280 --> 06:17:04,640
and providing requested additional information.

4776
06:17:05,300 --> 06:17:06,760
All emails are public record.

4777
06:17:07,100 --> 06:17:09,040
I clearly was not doing anything clandestine.

4778
06:17:09,620 --> 06:17:11,760
We received a determination that the proposed perimeter

4779
06:17:11,760 --> 06:17:14,100
berms would qualify for the citing ordinance exemption.

4780
06:17:14,700 --> 06:17:18,300
An application was then submitted to amend the already approved

4781
06:17:18,300 --> 06:17:21,320
excavation restoration plan for the approved excavation

4782
06:17:21,320 --> 06:17:23,840
to include berms around the property.

4783
06:17:24,600 --> 06:17:27,100
The modification was approved by Joanne Vernon.

4784
06:17:27,740 --> 06:17:28,920
With that approval in hand,

4785
06:17:29,160 --> 06:17:32,460
Waterside then had a permit that exempt the property from the

4786
06:17:32,460 --> 06:17:33,220
citing ordinance.

4787
06:17:33,880 --> 06:17:37,120
The excavation ordinance at Section 25489 states

4788
06:17:37,120 --> 06:17:37,740
quote,

4789
06:17:38,220 --> 06:17:39,880
modifications to an approved permit,

4790
06:17:40,120 --> 06:17:42,020
and we had an approved excavation permit.

4791
06:17:42,780 --> 06:17:45,800
Our approved or denied by the earth moving administrator.

4792
06:17:46,460 --> 06:17:48,640
A public hearing is not required.

4793
06:17:48,640 --> 06:17:54,640
Additionally, the current citing ordinance classifies a Yard-Trash-Processing Facility as a low

4794
06:17:54,640 --> 06:17:58,200
impact facility, which is approved as a conditional use.

4795
06:17:58,560 --> 06:18:00,360
No public hearing is required.

4796
06:18:01,260 --> 06:18:04,560
Information about the exemption was provided as part of a PD application.

4797
06:18:05,140 --> 06:18:10,080
There was no attempt to conceal the process and determination, compliant with the language

4798
06:18:10,080 --> 06:18:12,020
of Charlotte County's LDRs.

4799
06:18:12,480 --> 06:18:17,900
Allegations of misrepresentation and violations of the citing ordinance are demonstrably false.

4800
06:18:17,900 --> 06:18:28,780
And finally, three, that there was an intentional misrepresentation that the proposed PD site was contaminated and needed to be excavated to 13 feet to remove the contaminated soil.

4801
06:18:29,120 --> 06:18:36,440
As you've heard, in the transcript of the PD hearing, the word contamination appears once. On page 32, line 22,

4802
06:18:36,440 --> 06:18:41,760
to redavid Brown describes how testors will wear gloves so as not to contaminate the samples

4803
06:18:41,760 --> 06:18:44,580
that they will be testing for environmental contaminants.

4804
06:18:45,260 --> 06:18:50,920
TMV was very forthcoming about the reason for the excavation to remove degraded, not

4805
06:18:50,920 --> 06:18:55,160
contaminated soils, and to replace that with composted material.

4806
06:18:56,140 --> 06:19:02,900
And for the death of the 13-foot death, on page 29 of the transcript, line 20 to 25, and page

4807
06:19:02,900 --> 06:19:09,920
30, lines 1 through 9, I state that the reason for the 13-foot excavation is to get rid of the hurricane

4808
06:19:09,920 --> 06:19:14,980
eandibree and to stabilize roads. During the restoration, and to use that material is based

4809
06:19:14,980 --> 06:19:18,960
for the roads that will ultimately serve the approval of the community. The transcript reveals

4810
06:19:18,960 --> 06:19:23,980
truthful and transparent responses to thorough questioning by the sport about what was proposed for the

4811
06:19:23,980 --> 06:19:29,840
site and why. What it doesn't reveal is any attempt to justify the excavation as a way to remove

4812
06:19:29,840 --> 06:19:34,200
contaminated soil from the site. All three of Ms. Angela's claims that I and my colleagues

4813
06:19:34,200 --> 06:19:38,980
engage in willful misrepresentation with intent to receive this board are easily proven

4814
06:19:38,980 --> 06:19:43,280
false by both the language of your land development regulations and the transplants of

4815
06:19:43,280 --> 06:19:44,500
the man. Thank you. Thank

4816
06:19:48,690 --> 06:19:49,690
you.

4817
06:19:52,550 --> 06:19:55,610
Anybody want to speak on this item please come forward. State your name for the record. You

4818
06:19:55,610 --> 06:19:56,450
will have five minutes.

4819
06:20:12,940 --> 06:20:16,580
I do all the handout. Well, then you can speak.

4820
06:20:16,920 --> 06:20:17,580
One moment.

4821
06:20:27,680 --> 06:20:29,140
I'll lend you a handout.

4822
06:20:29,880 --> 06:20:31,100
Yeah, and doubts on loan.

4823
06:20:32,380 --> 06:20:32,780
Thank

4824
06:20:45,580 --> 06:20:45,980
you.

4825
06:20:46,100 --> 06:20:49,620
Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Deserri Rebus and I live immediately to

4826
06:20:49,620 --> 06:20:52,360
adjacent to the applicant's sign and I have been sporting.

4827
06:20:53,340 --> 06:20:56,680
I've been fighting this for four years and I just wanted to thank you to everybody that

4828
06:20:56,680 --> 06:21:01,140
showed up. It's incredible this community. I must say that. I just want to say you guys are amazing.

4829
06:21:02,200 --> 06:21:09,700
I request that this entire index packet containing exhibits 1 through 8 be formally entered into the official record for today's proceeding.

4830
06:21:10,360 --> 06:21:14,980
And I'm asking you to deny this proposal due to unresolved legal factual and environmental failures.

4831
06:21:16,460 --> 06:21:19,220
First, the applicant has a severe history of noncompliance.

4832
06:21:19,700 --> 06:21:27,300
During our FDEP administrative hearing, we learned that they operated for 27 years unpermitted while conducting solid waste disposal and excavation.

4833
06:21:27,300 --> 06:21:31,800
This history must weigh heavily on whether they could be trusted to comply with future conditions.

4834
06:21:32,760 --> 06:21:38,380
Second, this is a commercial mine, not a restoration, and exhibit three of their own

4835
06:21:38,380 --> 06:21:44,360
FDEP application they explicitly say and I quote proposed is a mine that will provide material

4836
06:21:44,360 --> 06:21:47,040
to private and public developments in the surrounding area.

4837
06:21:47,560 --> 06:21:53,180
The project narrative estimates 1.146 million cubic yards will lead the site.

4838
06:21:53,180 --> 06:21:57,440
Under Charlotte County Code Section 35477 subsection G,

4839
06:21:57,820 --> 06:22:02,400
supplying material for off-site cell requires mining and resource extraction zoning,

4840
06:22:02,600 --> 06:22:04,220
which has not been demonstrated here.

4841
06:22:05,040 --> 06:22:09,960
Furthermore, if their traffic impact statement estimates 2.768 million cubic yards,

4842
06:22:10,420 --> 06:22:11,580
more than double their own narrative.

4843
06:22:12,500 --> 06:22:15,420
If the applicant cannot consistently define their project scope,

4844
06:22:15,800 --> 06:22:18,180
the county cannot accurately evaluate its impacts.

4845
06:22:18,900 --> 06:22:22,880
Third, the applicant proposes using guard waste mulch and compost as backfill

4846
06:22:23,180 --> 06:22:30,420
labeling it clean fill. As you know, Percy already mentioned, that is not considered clean fill. Under Florida Statute

4847
06:22:30,420 --> 06:22:39,360
Section 403.703, your trash is solid waste regulated by Florida's solid waste laws in chapter 62-701 of

4848
06:22:39,360 --> 06:22:46,260
the Florida administrative code. Calling it clean fill does not change the law. Fourth, exhibit six on your paper there.

4849
06:22:46,260 --> 06:22:54,680
Contains the applicant's own hydraulic modeling showing a withdrawal of approximately 1.85 million gallons of groundwater per day from the aquifer.

4850
06:22:55,360 --> 06:23:01,820
Given our ongoing drought conditions, there has been no modeling on how this massive withdrawal will impact nearby private drinking wells.

4851
06:23:02,940 --> 06:23:11,120
Fifth, the applicant proposed is using an online agricultural ditch as a hydraulic barrier located less than 500 feet from nearby homes and wells.

4852
06:23:11,120 --> 06:23:18,800
Charlotte County Code Section 35479 Subsection C3 requires a thousand-foot setback for group 3 excavations.

4853
06:23:19,220 --> 06:23:22,400
This application fails on the setback requirements alone.

4854
06:23:23,060 --> 06:23:26,320
Furthermore, agricultural ditches are not designed to drain water.

4855
06:23:26,800 --> 06:23:28,280
They do not contain mining pressure.

4856
06:23:28,660 --> 06:23:31,640
Using an online ditch nearly guarantees industrial road-off,

4857
06:23:31,940 --> 06:23:34,120
and sediment will seek directly into the aquifer,

4858
06:23:34,500 --> 06:23:37,800
contaminating our private wells, the mortal slow, and the peace river.

4859
06:23:38,400 --> 06:23:42,780
6. The Assertion to the site required a soil removal due to the

4860
06:23:42,780 --> 06:23:46,900
chemical contamination has been proven false. This disproves the

4861
06:23:46,900 --> 06:23:49,960
restoration narrative upon which the land use change was originally

4862
06:23:49,960 --> 06:23:54,300
approved. The primary objective of this project is commercial

4863
06:23:54,800 --> 06:23:57,980
excavation off-site material cells and solid waste disposal, not

4864
06:23:57,980 --> 06:24:01,980
environmental restoration. If the county was misled regarding the

4865
06:24:01,980 --> 06:24:05,360
true intent of this project, you have an opportunity to correct that

4866
06:24:05,360 --> 06:24:10,920
today. Commissioners, your duty is to uphold the county code and floor at a law. The applicant

4867
06:24:10,920 --> 06:24:16,420
bears the burden of proof and on this record, that burden has not been met. You cannot convert

4868
06:24:16,420 --> 06:24:20,900
unlawful conduct into a permitted use by simply attaching conditions and hoping for the best.

4869
06:24:21,540 --> 06:24:25,260
The question is not whether this project can be made more palatable. The question is whether

4870
06:24:25,260 --> 06:24:30,340
this application as proposed and as supported by the record is legally approval. The answer is no.

4871
06:24:30,340 --> 06:24:39,460
Anything less than denial would ignore the county code disregard floor to law and expose the community to avoidable and potentially irreversible harm.

4872
06:24:40,280 --> 06:24:49,320
Personal relationships biases, green wash materials and wishful thinking do not supersede the law and they will not stand up against public scrutiny or the court.

4873
06:24:49,960 --> 06:24:51,520
Now, I'd like to play a short video.

4874
06:24:52,320 --> 06:24:55,760
This is what's been going on next door house.

4875
06:24:55,760 --> 06:24:56,640
Okay, that's right.

4876
06:24:57,020 --> 06:24:58,460
One moment, I gotta pull it up.

4877
06:25:09,680 --> 06:25:14,220
If I can get it to play. I have time to dinner. So hopefully,

4878
06:25:20,680 --> 06:25:26,560
I'm sorry. It's not working. I believe you guys saw that video last time I was here. You know what it sounds like.

4879
06:25:26,680 --> 06:25:33,180
The screeching, the noise, the dust. We had a share of confirm that the smells and the noise and the dust on the site. You guys have that on the record.

4880
06:25:33,740 --> 06:25:43,660
So, commissions I ask you. If this operation was proposed next to your home threatening your family's water air quality property values and well-being, would you vote yes?

4881
06:25:44,360 --> 06:25:47,220
If the answer is no for you, it should not be yes for us.

4882
06:25:47,400 --> 06:25:47,900
Thank you.

4883
06:25:47,920 --> 06:25:49,080
Thank you for your comments, man.

4884
06:25:50,040 --> 06:25:51,600
Anybody wishing to speak, please come forward.

4885
06:25:52,120 --> 06:25:54,180
State your name for the record, you'll have five minutes.

4886
06:25:57,710 --> 06:25:58,590
I have some handouts, also.

4887
06:26:00,130 --> 06:26:02,150
I'd expect nothing last Mr. Robbins.

4888
06:26:02,830 --> 06:26:04,310
Yeah, I will tell you, these were expensive,

4889
06:26:04,950 --> 06:26:06,330
and I could have bought you all Chick-fil-A.

4890
06:26:06,530 --> 06:26:07,830
Everybody even included in the deputies.

4891
06:26:08,350 --> 06:26:10,290
Do you have one of those to the apple can also,

4892
06:26:10,710 --> 06:26:12,210
because I think they deserve it,

4893
06:26:12,270 --> 06:26:13,650
since we didn't get one of theirs.

4894
06:26:42,410 --> 06:26:43,250
Okay, it's pretty good.

4895
06:26:43,250 --> 06:26:49,270
Because my name is Rob Robbins, and I emailed you, my competence, substantial evidence yesterday,

4896
06:26:49,450 --> 06:26:50,030
so you had that.

4897
06:26:50,050 --> 06:26:52,090
What I'm going to give you today is, it's competent.

4898
06:26:52,330 --> 06:26:56,290
It's not necessarily substantial, but since I really believe you should decide it back

4899
06:26:56,290 --> 06:26:56,830
and may.

4900
06:26:57,250 --> 06:26:59,710
I'm really here to give you a hard time today, because we shouldn't be here today.

4901
06:26:59,710 --> 06:27:02,950
You had enough to vote this down and deny it last time.

4902
06:27:03,330 --> 06:27:08,210
So, in any case, when a comment on what Jerry Waxler said, I don't agree.

4903
06:27:08,830 --> 06:27:14,590
Prices absolutely right, residents should do their own homework, pay attention to facts to the facts you can look that up.

4904
06:27:14,790 --> 06:27:21,390
I'll remind people that are watching the same person that came up with the only restore an orange grove public notice.

4905
06:27:21,730 --> 06:27:22,390
That's very false.

4906
06:27:22,830 --> 06:27:24,310
So that tells you all you really need to know.

4907
06:27:24,830 --> 06:27:29,770
Also, as far as the scam they had, you're supposed to use a building permit to that exception.

4908
06:27:30,210 --> 06:27:35,130
And they got an administrative exception using an excavation permit, which is completely different.

4909
06:27:35,390 --> 06:27:36,290
So it's not even legal.

4910
06:27:36,290 --> 06:27:39,170
So, you know, Percy's right, usually she is.

4911
06:27:40,470 --> 06:27:52,550
Also, I want to correct, you know, Jay Show mentioned that only the east side of this is being worked on, yet she had the excavation permit which applies to the mining side that somehow that operation for mulching applies to this.

4912
06:27:52,550 --> 06:27:57,410
So, really, you know, it's all kind of tied together, which, you know, doesn't make sense, but a lot of this doesn't make sense.

4913
06:27:58,110 --> 06:27:59,330
Like I said, I mean, it'd be a hard time.

4914
06:27:59,470 --> 06:28:05,230
If you voted no against us in the past, like I know one of you has to give yourself an asterisk because a lot of this doesn't apply to you.

4915
06:28:07,470 --> 06:28:11,790
If you're going to, you've been given some really simple things to vote this wrong, what

4916
06:28:11,790 --> 06:28:16,190
this down, the outdated survey, and that's just a no-brainer, anyone who's in construction

4917
06:28:16,190 --> 06:28:20,690
or if you're building a house like I am, any citizen that does building permits, they know

4918
06:28:20,690 --> 06:28:23,570
they have to have a survey that's not outdated by a year.

4919
06:28:23,890 --> 06:28:27,730
So I would encourage you both this down for a stupid reason because it's a stupid proposal,

4920
06:28:27,830 --> 06:28:29,310
and that's an easy one to use.

4921
06:28:30,130 --> 06:28:33,550
Once you give you some of the things that you said, you're giving us enough the second

4922
06:28:33,550 --> 06:28:37,830
at the Apple here, so it gives a chance we can actually, but what some of you said during

4923
06:28:37,830 --> 06:28:42,410
the last meeting, some of the things that were said, it's a tough one because the underlying

4924
06:28:42,410 --> 06:28:48,550
zoning there in the rural community mix use, it's not uncommon to have excavations on site.

4925
06:28:48,630 --> 06:28:53,950
The problem is, this excavation was happening a long time ago in your own public birch department

4926
06:28:53,950 --> 06:29:01,030
went there before the PD even came out in 2023 and found them in violations. All this excavating

4927
06:29:01,030 --> 06:29:05,810
that's in your packet right here that was done by the county they went out and found this out

4928
06:29:05,810 --> 06:29:13,570
in violation before they even applied for that PD back in 2023 so you know this was still awarded to them

4929
06:29:13,570 --> 06:29:19,390
which which really isn't right so the board knew this was going on the granted it you know

4930
06:29:19,390 --> 06:29:26,810
in the underlined zoning was you know it's actually being hauling with without a permit it says it

4931
06:29:26,810 --> 06:29:31,930
there, and it was highly profitable. They got money from the county, from FEMA, funneled through

4932
06:29:31,930 --> 06:29:36,310
the county through contractors, and they got a ton of money for this. So that's just not right.

4933
06:29:37,490 --> 06:29:41,650
So PDZone needs to allow for this board to make exceptions to ordinances, and this community

4934
06:29:41,650 --> 06:29:46,530
development staff claims that the flexibility of the PD is like a magic wand. But let's be clear

4935
06:29:46,530 --> 06:29:52,830
about the law. You all said that they have a right to do this as taxpayers, but the RCMU, the future

4936
06:29:52,830 --> 06:29:58,090
land use is not a right zoning is not a right it has to come back before a board before

4937
06:29:58,090 --> 06:29:59,910
you grant zoning so for a lot

4938
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:07,420
This isn't allowed. It's going to have a right just based on future land use. So you have an option to approve zoning or not. And so don't let them flee on that.

4939
06:30:07,640 --> 06:30:13,900
This approval, it sneaked through public notice that misled citizens by advertising nothing more than a restoration of an orange grove.

4940
06:30:14,320 --> 06:30:25,100
Oland use designation is policy guide. It's not a blank check. And this board was under no obligation to approve that. So I'm going to skip ahead real quick. And I want to talk about taxes.

4941
06:30:25,100 --> 06:30:26,600
and I gave you some tax warms.

4942
06:30:26,920 --> 06:30:32,960
And if you look at that, there's three TMV parcels that I pulled up.

4943
06:30:32,960 --> 06:30:35,160
And you can see the tax payments for what they paid.

4944
06:30:35,620 --> 06:30:40,820
And in 2023 for those three parcels in 2022 and 2023,

4945
06:30:41,200 --> 06:30:44,040
they paid $5,740 one year.

4946
06:30:44,400 --> 06:30:48,080
And then the next year, TMV paid a total of,

4947
06:30:51,860 --> 06:30:56,300
let's see, $946 so that went down,

4948
06:30:56,480 --> 06:30:57,540
if you can believe that or not.

4949
06:30:57,540 --> 06:31:01,260
that was based on a hundred or two or ninety three acres, that was three hundred and three

4950
06:31:01,260 --> 06:31:05,200
dollars and twenty three cents per acre. Now Desiree, I pulled up per taxes and I'm showing

4951
06:31:05,200 --> 06:31:10,300
you that, their ten acres, they paid six thousand seven hundred forty three dollars in twenty

4952
06:31:10,300 --> 06:31:15,920
twenty two and five thousand nine hundred eighty four dollars in twenty three. And that's ridiculous.

4953
06:31:16,420 --> 06:31:22,700
So basically Desiree's family, they paid a tax rate that's two hundred times higher than

4954
06:31:22,700 --> 06:31:27,420
but these guys paid for a profitable mining excavation.

4955
06:31:27,540 --> 06:31:28,300
Does that make sense?

4956
06:31:28,620 --> 06:31:30,600
I mean, Charlotte County resident should be outraged.

4957
06:31:30,880 --> 06:31:33,320
How these ag exceptions are being misused.

4958
06:31:33,660 --> 06:31:34,460
I mean, it's tax evasion.

4959
06:31:34,620 --> 06:31:35,060
It's tax fraud.

4960
06:31:35,060 --> 06:31:36,340
We're losing so much money.

4961
06:31:36,620 --> 06:31:39,000
So so much for the CIGM model that we talked about

4962
06:31:39,000 --> 06:31:40,220
because this throws it out the window.

4963
06:31:40,380 --> 06:31:41,140
Thank you.

4964
06:31:41,200 --> 06:31:42,160
Thanks for comments, sir.

4965
06:31:42,340 --> 06:31:43,340
Anybody else wish you the speak?

4966
06:31:43,460 --> 06:31:44,140
Please come forward.

4967
06:31:44,300 --> 06:31:45,060
Stay tuned for the record.

4968
06:31:45,160 --> 06:31:46,040
You'll have five minutes.

4969
06:31:47,160 --> 06:31:48,820
Last call anybody would speak on this item.

4970
06:31:48,820 --> 06:31:49,380
Please come forward.

4971
06:31:49,520 --> 06:31:50,120
Stay tuned for the record.

4972
06:31:50,180 --> 06:31:50,900
You'll have five minutes.

4973
06:31:53,890 --> 06:31:56,310
Mr. Chairman, I see no one rising, have moved close.

4974
06:31:56,810 --> 06:31:59,990
Second, we have motion set to close the public input, any further discussion.

4975
06:32:00,570 --> 06:32:03,090
Is there any opposition to the motion? Public input is closed.

4976
06:32:05,350 --> 06:32:08,930
And the applicant, we're a bottle time.

4977
06:32:16,840 --> 06:32:19,260
I think we'd like to begin, and Rob Bernson, for the record.

4978
06:32:19,940 --> 06:32:25,140
We'd like to begin responding to your questions since you had some questions, so that we don't use our

4979
06:32:25,140 --> 06:32:28,320
but it'll time and then you have questions that would have been addressed.

4980
06:32:28,880 --> 06:32:30,080
Any questions for the applicant?

4981
06:32:33,330 --> 06:32:34,190
Oh, Commissioner Dorty.

4982
06:32:34,850 --> 06:32:35,770
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

4983
06:32:37,930 --> 06:32:42,410
I'll start off quite honestly just focusing on

4984
06:32:42,410 --> 06:32:43,530
gone through everything.

4985
06:32:44,010 --> 06:32:48,450
I've gone through the transcript from the last last meeting.

4986
06:32:49,010 --> 06:32:50,950
Appreciate Commissioner Constance requesting that.

4987
06:32:50,970 --> 06:32:51,990
It was very helpful.

4988
06:32:55,210 --> 06:33:00,190
Basically, we went through the final order from the administrative judge as well, trying to

4989
06:33:00,190 --> 06:33:01,690
pull together some facts.

4990
06:33:02,450 --> 06:33:07,850
And again, look, it really spent a lot of time on the conditions that were placed in the PD.

4991
06:33:08,710 --> 06:33:09,430
Back in 23.

4992
06:33:10,190 --> 06:33:13,090
With a lot of focus for me on L.

4993
06:33:14,190 --> 06:33:17,810
The requirement for if you're going to remove material from the site.

4994
06:33:18,070 --> 06:33:20,550
So I've got the questions to kind of build on that.

4995
06:33:20,550 --> 06:33:25,930
if you're going to remove from the site, the permitting process, I was trying to get clear in my

4996
06:33:25,930 --> 06:33:31,770
head what the permitting process was going to be. And there's a lot of testimony from 2023 about

4997
06:33:31,770 --> 06:33:38,350
that, Gary, you gave a lot of information, Ms. Waxler did as well. But anyways, first of all, I just

4998
06:33:38,350 --> 06:33:42,950
want to ask, I want to get something clarified that was in the final order. There was an amendment to

4999
06:33:42,950 --> 06:33:54,230
PRP application during that, the judge approved it was basically eliminating the use of yard

5000
06:33:54,230 --> 06:33:59,110
debris as backfill. So the permit has apparently been modified where you can only, I've

5001
06:33:59,110 --> 06:34:03,870
heard that from some of the folks here earlier, you can only use clean debris or clean

5002
06:34:03,870 --> 06:34:08,990
felt, is that correct? There are no more yard waste. Apparently no more mulch.

5003
06:34:10,780 --> 06:34:17,680
Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Felicia Kitsmiller. I'm a shareholder at Sternsweaver Miller. I have been sworn.

5004
06:34:18,620 --> 06:34:28,280
I had the pleasure of representing TMV in the ERP process, and specifically in the Administrative Challenge, and the final order that was referred to by you Commissioner Dardi.

5005
06:34:28,920 --> 06:34:37,660
And you are correct. During that process, during that phase, when we were going through the Administrative Hearing, the Department of Environmental Protection,

5006
06:34:37,660 --> 06:34:43,200
as well as TMB came together to try to address some of the petitioners' concerns on the front-end

5007
06:34:44,000 --> 06:34:49,440
proactively. One of those things that we agreed to do was to back out the phrase yard

5008
06:34:49,440 --> 06:34:56,760
trash or vegetative debris from the application and replace that with clean, clean, fill, or clean

5009
06:34:56,760 --> 06:34:59,920
to break. The definition of that in statute has

5010
06:35:00,000 --> 06:35:19,640
I already been read. The caveat that I would say to that is that, yes, we did state that that would only be clean fill or clean debris, unless otherwise approved by a solid waste permit. So a couple things. The definition of clean debris that is in the code, specifies that the material must be inert.

5011
06:35:19,640 --> 06:35:26,080
Right. Composed after a certain point in time becomes inert. Obviously, we all know compost

5012
06:35:26,080 --> 06:35:30,900
breaks down, vegetative materials released. Someone earlier spoke about the methane release

5013
06:35:30,900 --> 06:35:36,260
as these things break down. After a certain point, this vegetative debris stops breaking

5014
06:35:36,260 --> 06:35:41,940
down. It then becomes inert. At that point, it would be acceptable and would meet the definition

5015
06:35:41,940 --> 06:35:48,740
of clean debris. The applicant also has the option to seek a solid waste disposal permit that

5016
06:35:48,740 --> 06:35:56,040
would allow it to deposit material that does not specifically meet the definition of clean debris

5017
06:35:56,040 --> 06:36:03,600
in the statute. So you see there's kind of an A or B in our permit condition. At this point,

5018
06:36:03,740 --> 06:36:10,320
it is the applicant's intention to use only degraded compost that has already broken down and meets

5019
06:36:10,320 --> 06:36:17,020
this definition of being inert. And operational needs would address whether in the future they saw

5020
06:36:17,020 --> 06:36:23,020
amendments to the Solid Waste Permit that would allow them to initiate that second clause

5021
06:36:23,020 --> 06:36:25,500
in their ERP permit, unless otherwise.

5022
06:36:25,560 --> 06:36:30,880
As a follow-up question to that, I assume that in the scientifically someone will certify

5023
06:36:30,880 --> 06:36:35,680
that material is inert and meets the definition of clean debris.

5024
06:36:36,360 --> 06:36:40,900
We would need to meet that definition as part of our compliance with the environmental resource

5025
06:36:40,900 --> 06:36:41,140
permit.

5026
06:36:41,140 --> 06:36:42,280
Somebody would check that.

5027
06:36:42,380 --> 06:36:43,620
It would have to be confirmed.

5028
06:36:44,140 --> 06:36:49,340
Now, what the process is of having that confirmation check through the process, I'm not clear of,

5029
06:36:49,380 --> 06:36:52,880
but it would have to be confirmed scientifically that it is infected in our material.

5030
06:36:52,940 --> 06:36:54,360
Prior to the in place in the whole...

5031
06:36:54,360 --> 06:36:54,780
Correct.

5032
06:36:55,520 --> 06:37:10,180
The other aspect of the final order was trying to get my arms around because it was testimony back in 2023 about the removal of materials from the site.

5033
06:37:10,180 --> 06:37:17,440
And Gary, you've started in quite a bit of discussion about we need going down 13 feet, top

5034
06:37:17,440 --> 06:37:24,020
fan feet was basically sand, you need to get down 13 to get the three foot a shell and

5035
06:37:24,020 --> 06:37:29,920
basically I guess is the intent for the material you don't need on site because Miss Wax

5036
06:37:29,920 --> 06:37:37,040
are provided testimony that sort of sounded after you subsequent to your testimony back in

5037
06:37:37,040 --> 06:37:42,900
23 year, that it sounded like most of the material was going to be the shell material I'm

5038
06:37:42,900 --> 06:37:47,240
focusing on right now, was going to be predominantly left on site for the hall roads

5039
06:37:47,240 --> 06:37:52,900
and future subdivision roads. But when you really look at the numbers that were in the final

5040
06:37:52,900 --> 06:38:00,360
order from the judge, it looks like only around 30% of the all the excavated materials will

5041
06:38:00,360 --> 06:38:05,720
actually be used on site. The soil will be mixed with the compost and so forth. So can you

5042
06:38:05,720 --> 06:38:12,720
So, you're correct, the shell layer starts around 10-11 feet depending on where you are.

5043
06:38:14,280 --> 06:38:18,600
The shell, the bait, we are not a DOT mine, that's not what we do.

5044
06:38:18,720 --> 06:38:19,820
We've never been a DOT mine.

5045
06:38:20,780 --> 06:38:25,500
I mean, the current excavation that we have on site right now,

5046
06:38:25,980 --> 06:38:28,560
we're authorized to remove 2.2 million yards material.

5047
06:38:28,920 --> 06:38:30,180
I just checked our records.

5048
06:38:30,180 --> 06:38:33,640
over the 12 years that we've been in our operation,

5049
06:38:33,940 --> 06:38:36,880
we've moved 26,000 yards of material of shell.

5050
06:38:37,380 --> 06:38:39,460
That's how much shell we sell off site.

5051
06:38:40,580 --> 06:38:44,600
So the shell that we need to get to that layer of shell there

5052
06:38:44,600 --> 06:38:47,920
to build the roads and that, again,

5053
06:38:48,200 --> 06:38:50,660
the majority of the shell will stay on site.

5054
06:38:50,940 --> 06:38:53,020
Will there be a few loads here that are gone?

5055
06:38:53,320 --> 06:38:56,060
Maybe we don't know, but we are not,

5056
06:38:56,580 --> 06:38:58,980
a lot of the shell products that people sell there,

5057
06:38:58,980 --> 06:39:04,800
either wash shell. We're not processing of shell. We don't, we're not a DOT, so we can't use it for road

5058
06:39:04,800 --> 06:39:09,100
base or anything like that. It's just somebody looking for shell to, for their yard or fill

5059
06:39:09,100 --> 06:39:13,260
on boys or something like that. We might sell a load or two or something like that. We do not sell

5060
06:39:13,260 --> 06:39:20,180
a lot of shell on the property. So that answers your cell question. Well, your testimony now is in

5061
06:39:20,180 --> 06:39:26,720
conflict with the final order. And what the judge had in there that said 250,000, 846 cubic yards,

5062
06:39:26,720 --> 06:39:27,680
I guess we'll be sold.

5063
06:39:29,620 --> 06:39:33,480
So how was it just a percentage that we were giving?

5064
06:39:33,640 --> 06:39:36,180
We gave a percentage of material that probably

5065
06:39:36,180 --> 06:39:38,760
will be, you see, the problem with all this, though.

5066
06:39:39,240 --> 06:39:41,600
We just gave a percentage of what material

5067
06:39:41,600 --> 06:39:42,920
will be removed off site.

5068
06:39:43,420 --> 06:39:44,800
And those are rough numbers.

5069
06:39:46,660 --> 06:39:51,080
In my mind, and we spoke three years ago on this matter,

5070
06:39:51,980 --> 06:39:55,800
and we came up with a number of roughly about 30% of the material

5071
06:39:55,800 --> 06:39:57,780
We'll stay on site.

5072
06:39:59,000 --> 06:39:59,020
OK.

5073
06:39:59,620 --> 06:39:59,980
Well, that should.

5074
06:40:00,000 --> 06:40:13,500
I just want to share with the commission that it is in conflict with the final order, the judge got numbers from somebody to put this in the final order. So I'm just confused. I would appreciate that getting clarified eventually, but, you know.

5075
06:40:15,900 --> 06:40:18,580
Commissioner D'Aurety, if you can give me the citation, I'd be.

5076
06:40:18,580 --> 06:40:26,500
It's 20, 24 actually of the, of the, I will find that provision and get you a more specific.

5077
06:40:26,600 --> 06:40:30,800
Yeah, I just, I'm just, again, it's, it's quite a difference from what Gary just has to find.

5078
06:40:30,800 --> 06:40:34,040
Not, not a problem at all. Let me just find that specific citation and get you an answer.

5079
06:40:35,240 --> 06:40:38,720
Then basically it gets down to then condition L.

5080
06:40:38,980 --> 06:40:41,880
You're going to excavate. You're going to remove material from sight.

5081
06:40:43,380 --> 06:40:48,040
So then I'm going down through and putting the old county engineer head on if I was still

5082
06:40:48,040 --> 06:40:49,220
doing that kind of work.

5083
06:40:49,800 --> 06:40:51,580
How would I permit this?

5084
06:40:52,400 --> 06:41:01,020
So I need to know from your hand testimony from Ms. Waxler back in 2023, I'm trying to remember

5085
06:41:01,020 --> 06:41:08,320
now just hanging in there, I believe Jerry testified that she'd go, she'd offered a specific

5086
06:41:08,320 --> 06:41:11,900
There's two 478 talks about standard permitting,

5087
06:41:12,960 --> 06:41:14,440
479 specific permits.

5088
06:41:14,780 --> 06:41:16,840
So I go, I'm going down through the specific permits

5089
06:41:16,840 --> 06:41:19,340
and think, oh, it jumps right out, agriculture,

5090
06:41:19,760 --> 06:41:22,140
our ag ag specific permit.

5091
06:41:22,760 --> 06:41:24,100
I think that's what you test the,

5092
06:41:24,100 --> 06:41:26,800
Ms. Wax was testing morning was back three years ago.

5093
06:41:27,140 --> 06:41:29,060
So how are you going to permit this?

5094
06:41:30,060 --> 06:41:32,300
That's where it's sent in the presentation.

5095
06:41:33,140 --> 06:41:36,160
We would get with staff to determine which application,

5096
06:41:36,160 --> 06:41:43,760
And because the application is on the first page, you check which box you're going to do,

5097
06:41:43,880 --> 06:41:49,100
and you're going to fill out Section 1, 2, that's just standard, you know, property owner's

5098
06:41:49,100 --> 06:41:49,580
information.

5099
06:41:50,420 --> 06:41:58,560
Whether it's 13, 14, and 15, 15s of signatures, 12, 13, and 14 come to how far, you know,

5100
06:41:58,740 --> 06:42:02,420
the application's basically how deep you're digging, what are your side slopes, what's

5101
06:42:02,420 --> 06:42:03,480
the seasonal high water table.

5102
06:42:03,480 --> 06:42:06,240
It's just as standard questions like that.

5103
06:42:07,320 --> 06:42:10,960
One of the things that we looked at, even for agricultural,

5104
06:42:13,060 --> 06:42:14,680
as long as, you know, our intent,

5105
06:42:14,860 --> 06:42:20,500
as long as we were submitting for either an agricultural commercial with the caveat, this is trying to meet

5106
06:42:20,500 --> 06:42:21,240
PD conditions.

5107
06:42:21,720 --> 06:42:27,360
And as long as I'm hitting Section 3-5-402, which relates to performance bond.

5108
06:42:27,360 --> 06:42:30,360
So a performance bond for the land will be in place,

5109
06:42:30,360 --> 06:42:34,340
if we decide to remove dirt off the property.

5110
06:42:34,940 --> 06:42:39,300
Section 3-5-490 relates to the county performing

5111
06:42:39,300 --> 06:42:39,880
inspections.

5112
06:42:40,020 --> 06:42:42,760
That's the inspections that the public works department

5113
06:42:42,760 --> 06:42:43,580
comes out.

5114
06:42:43,900 --> 06:42:47,380
Section 3-5-491, which relates to the end reports

5115
06:42:47,380 --> 06:42:48,180
that are required.

5116
06:42:48,560 --> 06:42:50,640
So the end reports that are required,

5117
06:42:51,020 --> 06:42:53,460
you do have a little brief little survey,

5118
06:42:53,800 --> 06:42:55,700
showing the limits of your construction activity,

5119
06:42:55,700 --> 06:42:58,020
and how many yards have come off the site.

5120
06:42:58,920 --> 06:43:00,820
So as long as in that's condition L,

5121
06:43:01,420 --> 06:43:03,720
and as long as I meet those conditions when we submit,

5122
06:43:04,800 --> 06:43:06,100
you know, that's, you know, again,

5123
06:43:06,820 --> 06:43:09,980
these are that permitting process is optional,

5124
06:43:11,100 --> 06:43:13,920
L is optional in my opinion right now.

5125
06:43:14,860 --> 06:43:16,960
If you remove material off site.

5126
06:43:17,460 --> 06:43:19,780
If you remove material off site.

5127
06:43:19,780 --> 06:43:21,940
If you don't, you leave it all on site.

5128
06:43:22,420 --> 06:43:23,540
Yeah, I agree with that.

5129
06:43:23,540 --> 06:43:28,860
But I guess on fourth, really what I think you're saying, Gary, is that 479 would be the

5130
06:43:28,860 --> 06:43:32,240
section of the earth-moving code that you'll be submitting on.

5131
06:43:32,540 --> 06:43:38,100
And it's consistent with this wax that was pressed from 2023, however, she was more specific

5132
06:43:38,100 --> 06:43:42,720
and sent it with the AgX division, a specific permit, AgX division.

5133
06:43:43,100 --> 06:43:48,400
And we've submitted the AgX division in the past and the AgX division, very very similar

5134
06:43:48,400 --> 06:43:54,080
to the commercial X-Gave, like the only thing difference is the public hearing, and that's

5135
06:43:54,080 --> 06:44:00,740
what Jerry came and spoke about that we're doing the public hearing in this kind of format.

5136
06:44:01,200 --> 06:44:02,440
Well, I respectfully disagree.

5137
06:44:02,800 --> 06:44:09,580
I mean, you know, when you read the Ag X-Gave, it's an X-Gave, for a site, for a water

5138
06:44:09,580 --> 06:44:14,940
storage and conjunction with bona fide agricultural purposes, that's not what this is.

5139
06:44:14,940 --> 06:44:17,700
So I guess I'm concerned about that.

5140
06:44:18,540 --> 06:44:28,720
I went down through it, I guess, again, if the material is going to be used, if you decide to remove material from the side, the sand or the shell.

5141
06:44:29,620 --> 06:44:40,180
If you're going to sell it to somebody for construction sites such as road beds and building pads and I do believe you've testified it would be probably used for building pads.

5142
06:44:40,980 --> 06:44:48,680
In my opinion, it falls under a commercial excavation requirement, but that does require a

5143
06:44:48,680 --> 06:44:50,380
complaint change and a zoning change.

5144
06:44:50,780 --> 06:44:52,980
So that's where I'm hung up right now.

5145
06:44:53,220 --> 06:44:55,100
I just need to share that with you.

5146
06:44:55,300 --> 06:44:57,220
I feel the way I read a rob, it just looks at what.

5147
06:44:57,240 --> 06:44:59,540
Let me take a stab at it.

5148
06:45:00,000 --> 06:45:04,380
So, in the PD approval in 2023,

5149
06:45:06,440 --> 06:45:11,360
I've highlighted on my copy where the word excavation is used.

5150
06:45:11,760 --> 06:45:21,940
There was no hiding the fact that there was going to be an excavation to take the soil out and replace it with the material from the mulching and compost.

5151
06:45:22,940 --> 06:45:29,360
We haven't had a chance to meet with staff yet, but you can't have a PD that recognizes

5152
06:45:29,360 --> 06:45:33,800
there's going to be an excavation and potentially an excavation permit, and then three

5153
06:45:33,800 --> 06:45:38,820
years later say, well, we don't really have an excavation permit that you qualify for,

5154
06:45:39,220 --> 06:45:41,060
so you can't get an excavation permit.

5155
06:45:41,560 --> 06:45:49,840
I think under the PD, which is a limited use for the restoration, sitting down with staff and

5156
06:45:49,840 --> 06:45:55,120
attorney's office will allow us the opportunity to come to what is the appropriate permit

5157
06:45:55,120 --> 06:46:01,380
to be issued under this PD, not under the quote unquote excavation ordinance itself,

5158
06:46:01,740 --> 06:46:05,520
but an excavation permit specific to this planned development.

5159
06:46:06,840 --> 06:46:08,260
Mr. Chair, as I can continue.

5160
06:46:08,580 --> 06:46:10,520
Yeah, I don't disagree with that logic, Rob.

5161
06:46:10,520 --> 06:46:14,900
I guess what I'm trying to get to, I'm looking down the road is, and I'm trying to put

5162
06:46:14,900 --> 06:46:19,220
the hat on, if someone sitting out in public works, it's got a process this.

5163
06:46:19,220 --> 06:46:22,420
And there's not clearly defined in condition L,

5164
06:46:22,880 --> 06:46:23,820
how that will be done.

5165
06:46:24,420 --> 06:46:25,260
You're absolutely correct.

5166
06:46:26,580 --> 06:46:28,620
All the PD condition says is,

5167
06:46:28,620 --> 06:46:30,740
if you're gonna move material outside,

5168
06:46:30,960 --> 06:46:32,460
you gotta go through that permitting process

5169
06:46:32,460 --> 06:46:34,220
and those parts of the code are identified,

5170
06:46:34,780 --> 06:46:36,160
which actually relate mostly

5171
06:46:36,160 --> 06:46:37,800
to specific earth-moving permits.

5172
06:46:38,460 --> 06:46:41,060
So that's, I extrapolated to, okay,

5173
06:46:41,460 --> 06:46:43,600
if they're gonna go to eventually have to come in

5174
06:46:43,600 --> 06:46:45,800
because there's plenty of testimonies saying

5175
06:46:45,800 --> 06:46:47,300
that you're gonna move material outside,

5176
06:46:47,300 --> 06:46:49,580
I stand and or shall.

5177
06:46:50,800 --> 06:46:53,000
And I think that that's where I'm hung up.

5178
06:46:53,060 --> 06:46:58,300
I just wanted to try to have more clarification from you folks as to what you plan on doing.

5179
06:46:58,900 --> 06:47:06,060
So public worse can, and if quite honestly, I'm looking at this, I don't see the egg specific permit fits.

5180
06:47:06,300 --> 06:47:08,620
I see the commercial excavation setting.

5181
06:47:09,340 --> 06:47:12,040
And that requires future land use and zoning.

5182
06:47:12,280 --> 06:47:13,700
That's for you to decide.

5183
06:47:14,040 --> 06:47:15,700
It's not part of today's.

5184
06:47:15,700 --> 06:47:23,400
I agree. I think it's two things. Number one, deciding if it's worth to take material off-site in the first place.

5185
06:47:24,360 --> 06:47:28,780
Right. Yes, we have testified, Ms. Waxler, and the original hearing Mr. Bane, and the original hearing,

5186
06:47:29,180 --> 06:47:36,720
we intended to take materials off-site. If it becomes that creates a problem that's not worth creating,

5187
06:47:37,380 --> 06:47:43,180
we don't remove the material from the site. The site certainly is big enough. The overall plan is a

5188
06:47:43,180 --> 06:47:51,740
a rural community mixed use project, this PD is implementing that particular land use.

5189
06:47:52,160 --> 06:47:57,760
It would not make sense, it would be contrary to common sense, to say you got this land

5190
06:47:57,760 --> 06:47:58,000
use.

5191
06:47:58,080 --> 06:48:01,460
Now, you've got to take it away so you can do the excretion and then we come back and put it

5192
06:48:01,460 --> 06:48:01,940
back again.

5193
06:48:02,380 --> 06:48:09,100
I think between the staff, the attorneys office, the applicant, and the applicant's attorneys,

5194
06:48:09,520 --> 06:48:10,600
we can come up with a permit.

5195
06:48:10,920 --> 06:48:12,380
I can't tell you what that is today.

5196
06:48:12,380 --> 06:48:18,630
But I think if it is decided that they're going to go forward just like every day the county's

5197
06:48:19,380 --> 06:48:25,990
Presented with something it hasn't been presented before people sit down together and they come to a conclusion that makes it makes sense

5198
06:48:26,960 --> 06:48:27,700
Well, I appreciate

5199
06:48:28,620 --> 06:48:33,510
The comments and Mr. I'm done, but at this point. Okay, I have Mr. David in the queue

5200
06:48:34,620 --> 06:48:41,920
I just want to make sure it's a very record. I'm sorry Tom David County turned it just want to make sure it's very clear that the pd condition does not grant a permit

5201
06:48:41,920 --> 06:48:45,680
So the PD condition does not grant a permanent understanding.

5202
06:48:46,240 --> 06:48:50,060
Okay, so in other words, the fact that this language is here,

5203
06:48:50,720 --> 06:48:54,900
I'm going to slowly disagree with Mr. Burns and say that there's no implication

5204
06:48:54,900 --> 06:48:58,660
that necessarily that the AG permit is going to be appropriate here.

5205
06:48:58,920 --> 06:49:03,760
So we will reserve the county staff will reserve any determination

5206
06:49:03,760 --> 06:49:10,660
on which permit if any the county would issue in conjunction with that PD condition

5207
06:49:10,660 --> 06:49:15,460
the future. And again, that is not the issue that's before us today. What's before us today

5208
06:49:15,920 --> 06:49:22,560
is whether the site plan complies with L and I think because it's a conditional condition,

5209
06:49:24,280 --> 06:49:29,580
it's hard to say that you're not complying with it because it's anticipating a potential act in

5210
06:49:29,580 --> 06:49:36,200
the future. Yes, sir. I just want to make it totally clear that it's my opinion that it doesn't

5211
06:49:36,200 --> 06:49:42,600
need that egg under 479. That's all. Thank you. Commissioner Constance, we have a specific answer

5212
06:49:42,600 --> 06:49:43,220
to your question.

5213
06:49:45,640 --> 06:49:48,880
Okay. This is Felicia Kitsmilli for the record. Commissioner Diarty,

5214
06:49:49,040 --> 06:49:54,940
I did look up that citation. That is a long quotation that was taken by the ALJ from the

5215
06:49:54,940 --> 06:49:59,980
original PD application submitted by the applicant in this and in if you

5216
06:50:00,000 --> 06:50:07,120
Notice the last line, it says, over 30% of material will be used on site, basically reserving the

5217
06:50:07,120 --> 06:50:11,820
right for it to be more than 30% but stating that at least 30%.

5218
06:50:11,820 --> 06:50:13,700
Thank you. Do we get your name back on the record?

5219
06:50:14,280 --> 06:50:15,580
I'm sorry. It was Felicia Kissman.

5220
06:50:15,580 --> 06:50:18,280
Okay. I'd commission your conscience on the queue.

5221
06:50:18,880 --> 06:50:22,260
Yeah. If we can just finish responding to your questions.

5222
06:50:22,400 --> 06:50:23,640
Well, I would like to add to that.

5223
06:50:23,640 --> 06:50:26,180
Is that okay, Chris? Sure.

5224
06:50:26,480 --> 06:50:26,920
Okay.

5225
06:50:27,460 --> 06:50:28,080
Thank you.

5226
06:50:28,080 --> 06:50:30,260
Commissioner Doerty, you have brought out the testimony.

5227
06:50:30,680 --> 06:50:31,840
Oh, oh, timeout, timeout.

5228
06:50:32,140 --> 06:50:33,620
You're not representing the act.

5229
06:50:33,620 --> 06:50:36,080
I'm not, but he, Commissioner Doerty,

5230
06:50:36,300 --> 06:50:39,120
made a question about something that I said.

5231
06:50:39,560 --> 06:50:43,300
I'm asking for permission to speak to respond to Commissioner Doerty.

5232
06:50:43,560 --> 06:50:47,100
Hey, the chairman is going to make the determination with the board.

5233
06:50:47,760 --> 06:50:54,840
Now, our rules allow if the board wishes to bring a member up to speak.

5234
06:50:55,420 --> 06:50:56,680
We reserve that right.

5235
06:50:56,680 --> 06:51:03,620
But you know, it's up to the board if there's no objection if you want to hear from Mrs. Waxler or not.

5236
06:51:04,060 --> 06:51:08,480
Mr. Chairman, I did burn her name up and pre this testimony in the back 2023.

5237
06:51:08,860 --> 06:51:10,480
So I have no problem with.

5238
06:51:10,480 --> 06:51:11,500
Is that okay with the board?

5239
06:51:12,200 --> 06:51:12,980
Is there any objection?

5240
06:51:13,780 --> 06:51:15,000
Okay, the board doesn't object.

5241
06:51:15,140 --> 06:51:15,860
Thank you.

5242
06:51:16,080 --> 06:51:19,580
On page 21 of the transcript is the conversation that we spoke about.

5243
06:51:19,860 --> 06:51:21,100
And I wanted to clarify.

5244
06:51:21,840 --> 06:51:22,640
I know that I read.

5245
06:51:22,640 --> 06:51:24,080
We're just reread it just moments ago.

5246
06:51:24,080 --> 06:51:37,460
What I identified was that because we would be creating essentially a pass of park in where the whole was being dug, that that is allowed to be pursued as a standard permit under the excavation ordinance.

5247
06:51:37,460 --> 06:51:43,460
standard permit doesn't, is silent as to whether you can or cannot remove

5248
06:51:44,460 --> 06:51:51,360
dirt from the site. Recognizing that there were concerns about the fact that we

5249
06:51:51,360 --> 06:51:56,380
were moving dirt. What I said is, and what I offered is that we would provide the

5250
06:51:56,380 --> 06:52:01,960
information that is required under an agricultural permit, which provides all the

5251
06:52:01,960 --> 06:52:05,120
information that you would get under a commercial excavation permit. But it would

5252
06:52:05,120 --> 06:52:09,180
allow this to proceed because we have RCMU land use,

5253
06:52:09,780 --> 06:52:12,220
not excavation, and mining land use.

5254
06:52:12,600 --> 06:52:13,360
So that was the intent.

5255
06:52:13,500 --> 06:52:16,780
I mean, that this would qualify as a standard permit,

5256
06:52:17,120 --> 06:52:18,840
which requires much less information.

5257
06:52:19,240 --> 06:52:21,440
But given the interest that there was and your concerns,

5258
06:52:22,540 --> 06:52:25,460
what I preferred was that we would submit the additional

5259
06:52:25,460 --> 06:52:27,500
information required under the agricultural.

5260
06:52:28,200 --> 06:52:29,560
And then I think as you read the transcript,

5261
06:52:29,680 --> 06:52:32,140
it talks about this would then allow us to proceed

5262
06:52:32,140 --> 06:52:38,780
to get a standard permit submitted with additional information, but would not require changing the

5263
06:52:38,780 --> 06:52:41,200
RCME land use to excavation mining.

5264
06:52:42,800 --> 06:52:43,180
Thank you.

5265
06:52:43,200 --> 06:52:43,960
Thank you.

5266
06:52:44,780 --> 06:52:47,300
Commissioner Constance, you have the floor sir.

5267
06:52:47,840 --> 06:52:48,360
Thank you, Chair.

5268
06:52:48,860 --> 06:52:52,940
I mean, I guess I wanted to find out number one.

5269
06:52:53,100 --> 06:52:55,840
This was probably testimony, but this is Ms. Wexler.

5270
06:52:55,840 --> 06:53:02,500
It seems like a red-haring memo from February of 2010 where she references the exclamation

5271
06:53:02,500 --> 06:53:10,900
permit for 3203 O Burmont Road, except we're talking about 3-3150 and 32990, so I don't

5272
06:53:10,900 --> 06:53:17,900
think this even has any new pairing on this. That's the first thing. Second thing is, you

5273
06:53:18,360 --> 06:53:22,280
bring up a very important point, but the problem is that a mining permit won't come

5274
06:53:22,280 --> 06:53:27,580
before us. That's administrative. That's going to go through staff. So, you know, once this

5275
06:53:27,580 --> 06:53:33,940
leaves the dyes, and it has to be a mining permit situation, we're relying on our staff

5276
06:53:33,940 --> 06:53:41,700
to make the determinations, and we really don't have any say in this special mining permit

5277
06:53:41,700 --> 06:53:47,180
that's never been done before. So, that gives me some grave concern. And I want to make sure

5278
06:53:47,180 --> 06:53:48,000
It's on the record.

5279
06:53:48,220 --> 06:53:52,700
I was the vote in 2023 against this.

5280
06:53:52,740 --> 06:53:53,840
Thank you.

5281
06:53:53,940 --> 06:53:54,560
Thanks, sir.

5282
06:53:55,300 --> 06:53:57,640
Any other comments for questions for the applicant?

5283
06:53:58,560 --> 06:53:59,880
OK, you can rebut, sir.

5284
06:54:01,540 --> 06:54:02,280
Do you have any specific,

5285
06:54:04,810 --> 06:54:05,510
OK?

5286
06:54:06,830 --> 06:54:10,790
Again, I think with Rob Bernson, I haven't sworn in.

5287
06:54:11,310 --> 06:54:15,110
What this comes down to is what was approved in the PD?

5288
06:54:15,950 --> 06:54:17,650
Not should we approve the PD?

5289
06:54:17,650 --> 06:54:25,830
The PD is approved, every bit of testimony from the opposition today went to whether you should approve this PD or not.

5290
06:54:26,190 --> 06:54:38,330
That's not what's before you. You approve the PD and the applicant has expended tens of thousands if not more dollars to come back before you for final PD approval, having met all of the conditions.

5291
06:54:38,330 --> 06:54:56,330
Your professional staff has issued the letter from the department, the development review committee that in the staff's professional opinion, all of the requirements of the PD and compliance with the comprehensive plan and the code of laws and ordinances has been satisfied.

5292
06:54:56,890 --> 06:54:59,970
This was a consent agenda item on in-

5293
06:55:00,000 --> 06:55:28,820
May, that has now gone through some 30 different testimony individuals coming up. We had 13, the first one, and I was up to 17, on this one. The information that has been presented to you is not relevant to your decision. Your decision is, does this applicant meet the criteria? And with all the respect to Commissioner Constance, it's a different question today. I understand you voted against it and it got passed.

5294
06:55:28,820 --> 06:55:33,660
So now the question is legally has the applicant met the criteria.

5295
06:55:34,260 --> 06:55:39,120
There is no competent substantial evidence in the record that indicates that the applicant

5296
06:55:39,120 --> 06:55:48,520
has not met the conditions of the approved concept plan and we respectfully request approval of the PD at this time.

5297
06:55:48,520 --> 06:55:49,240
Thank you.

5298
06:55:49,380 --> 06:55:49,880
Thank you, sir.

5299
06:55:53,260 --> 06:55:53,760
Okay, gentlemen.

5300
06:55:55,520 --> 06:55:58,440
You have any more questions for the applicant before he leaves the podium there.

5301
06:56:02,740 --> 06:56:04,100
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

5302
06:56:05,260 --> 06:56:08,620
Seeing that I agree with the comments that Mr. Burns and just made, I would move approval

5303
06:56:08,620 --> 06:56:09,260
of the resolution.

5304
06:56:11,740 --> 06:56:13,000
We have a motion for approval.

5305
06:56:13,240 --> 06:56:13,700
Sir, second.

5306
06:56:13,860 --> 06:56:17,040
Mr. Chairman, I'll second that for a little bit of discussion.

5307
06:56:18,900 --> 06:56:20,000
I don't disagree.

5308
06:56:20,180 --> 06:56:22,940
Commissioner Constance, that is a little bit.

5309
06:56:23,600 --> 06:56:25,300
This is the way our process is though.

5310
06:56:25,640 --> 06:56:29,920
You know, that's why I was trying to extract from the applicant a little bit.

5311
06:56:29,920 --> 06:56:58,700
a little bit more detail, which I think I got, I mean, I understand that there'll be some significant discussions with the attorney's office and with public works and community development on the if and if they decide to move material off site and and they're going to what kind of a permit they're going to secure so it's a matter of looking at precisely what they said that have they met the condition have they met the requirements for a final PD horses out of the barn.

5312
06:57:00,300 --> 06:57:09,280
Back in 2023 is really when we decided, you know, to do this so I don't I don't I don't really see that I have an option

5313
06:57:10,600 --> 06:57:12,020
It's it's it's they're right

5314
06:57:12,680 --> 06:57:18,520
They've check they've checked the boxes. I may not be happy with all the answers, but they have checked the boxes

5315
06:57:19,040 --> 06:57:26,000
So that's kind of where I am. It's it's unfortunate. I do want us to really look at this this particular

5316
06:57:26,000 --> 06:57:31,080
petition of course I brought up before we can't do anything about it now even allowing these

5317
06:57:31,640 --> 06:57:37,260
excavations this close to suburban neighborhood has got a change but we can't do anything

5318
06:57:37,260 --> 06:57:43,800
about it right now but the state will allow us to look at it till sometime late 2027 so

5319
06:57:43,800 --> 06:57:48,820
I mean I want to move at east I don't want this ever coming up again near where these folks

5320
06:57:48,820 --> 06:57:53,940
live and that's really bothers me but I see that we're kind of boxed thank you Mr.

5321
06:57:55,360 --> 06:58:02,550
I have too many questions that I think there's still things that are still too cloudy for me.

5322
06:58:04,150 --> 06:58:08,330
There's a question which hasn't been satisfied whether or not it was extended.

5323
06:58:09,430 --> 06:58:11,030
One of the speakers wrote that up.

5324
06:58:11,150 --> 06:58:12,750
There's another question about timing.

5325
06:58:14,850 --> 06:58:17,450
Did the timing go beyond whether it should be?

5326
06:58:17,830 --> 06:58:24,510
Then we had the whole issue of contamination that we were initially basing this on contamination

5327
06:58:24,510 --> 06:58:31,170
But then we're told, it's not contaminated, and I really can't understand them why we have

5328
06:58:31,170 --> 06:58:32,010
a mind there.

5329
06:58:32,630 --> 06:58:35,830
And I just have too many questions, or I just can't focus as that.

5330
06:58:36,010 --> 06:58:37,270
Plus there's other issues.

5331
06:58:39,290 --> 06:58:44,270
One of the things I touch upon very simply, earlier, if there's going to be a mining operation,

5332
06:58:44,450 --> 06:58:51,430
there's going to be a lot more traffic on that road, and I only just, maybe it have six

5333
06:58:51,430 --> 06:58:57,590
a 10 trucks an hour coming in and out of there. I don't know for sure. I know those things

5334
06:58:57,590 --> 06:59:03,490
are busy and I know right now that road is dangerous. You know maybe someday and the near future

5335
06:59:03,490 --> 06:59:09,490
will be able to find a way to have it full lane to get some shoulders on it to make it

5336
06:59:09,490 --> 06:59:15,470
safer. Just seems to me just too much confusion. There's too many questions. There's even

5337
06:59:15,470 --> 06:59:20,410
some legal issues that were in a dress in terms of timing and phasing and how this was

5338
06:59:20,410 --> 06:59:25,830
done and how it was presented, and I'm, I'm, I'm, in spite of what we've told about, I'm

5339
06:59:25,830 --> 06:59:32,110
just not comfortable. I can't support it today. Thank you, sir. Okay. So, a couple things were

5340
06:59:32,110 --> 06:59:40,010
mentioned at the beginning of the meeting, a competent, substantial evidence. So, we are

5341
06:59:40,010 --> 06:59:45,230
held to a much higher standard when we make these decisions as opposed to a legislative decision.

5342
06:59:45,910 --> 06:59:50,590
So, there was a question about traffic earlier.

5343
06:59:51,030 --> 06:59:57,650
I did see the traffic impact statement which was provided in the material in the presentation.

5344
06:59:57,970 --> 06:59:59,610
I think it was Page 160.

5345
07:00:00,990 --> 07:00:07,200
Has staff accepted in their professional opinion the results of that traffic impact statement. I want to make sure I get that on the record.

5346
07:00:14,410 --> 07:00:18,670
For the record, we'd have to do for the record rubber track, and I'd be in swore, accreditation.

5347
07:00:19,150 --> 07:00:22,550
Yes, we have reviewed the traffic study and we could go with it.

5348
07:00:22,650 --> 07:00:23,590
Okay, and you can occur with it.

5349
07:00:23,790 --> 07:00:24,290
Yes. Okay.

5350
07:00:24,770 --> 07:00:33,990
Because I did hear some of the folks who commented and Mr. Factory is our subject matter expert in the county traffic engineer.

5351
07:00:33,990 --> 07:00:39,110
But he reviews these things, not just on behalf of the board, but on behalf of the county.

5352
07:00:40,070 --> 07:00:44,130
I mean, I think there's, you know, people are saying, well, who's representing you?

5353
07:00:44,730 --> 07:00:50,650
You pay for the county staff to be here and do the work that's necessary to make sure

5354
07:00:50,650 --> 07:00:52,270
our codes are followed.

5355
07:00:52,830 --> 07:00:54,090
They don't work for the developer.

5356
07:00:55,250 --> 07:00:58,410
They don't work directly for the Board of County Commissioners.

5357
07:00:58,570 --> 07:01:02,610
They work under the county administrator to do their job.

5358
07:01:02,610 --> 07:01:05,170
So I want to make sure we get we get that on the record.

5359
07:01:05,550 --> 07:01:14,790
There was a question about the 2010 approval, which I have here that Mrs. Waxler provided and the address on it.

5360
07:01:15,050 --> 07:01:22,970
The address is not consistent with the address on our staff report, but there is also a section number and a township and a range.

5361
07:01:23,290 --> 07:01:28,270
Did address has changed over the years from its 2010 or is this approval consistent with this property?

5362
07:01:29,270 --> 07:01:34,410
I believe, Gerald Axe, talk about that with existing mining.

5363
07:01:35,050 --> 07:01:41,650
There is one metal portion, it's not the exact, these projects, but it's surrounding by

5364
07:01:41,650 --> 07:01:42,150
the PD.

5365
07:01:42,690 --> 07:01:49,650
It's EM zoning for the existing mining, so there's been a lot of comment about things being

5366
07:01:49,650 --> 07:01:53,030
done illegally and against statute and against the law.

5367
07:01:53,670 --> 07:01:56,390
So this I'll ask the county attorney because that's your job.

5368
07:01:56,390 --> 07:02:02,790
has anything on this application, any of the submittals or anything you've heard from

5369
07:02:02,790 --> 07:02:07,990
public testimony, has anything violated the law or Florida statutes or codes and ordinances?

5370
07:02:09,850 --> 07:02:14,490
I'm not heard anything, Mr. Chair, Tom David County Attorney, I'm not heard anything in

5371
07:02:14,490 --> 07:02:18,130
the testimony today that indicates that there's been something you'll legal done here.

5372
07:02:21,560 --> 07:02:26,060
There was a question about the setback needing to be a thousand feet.

5373
07:02:26,940 --> 07:02:37,280
I think from the nearest residents or the nearest property is the application consistent with the requirement of 1,000 feet.

5374
07:02:37,480 --> 07:02:42,000
I see that down to the 1000 feet to talk about commercial excavation.

5375
07:02:42,440 --> 07:02:45,180
So we're talking about restoration project right now.

5376
07:02:45,260 --> 07:02:49,720
Okay, but then there was a question about what if they come in for an excavation permit?

5377
07:02:49,720 --> 07:02:52,600
Then, like I said, they will work with the

5378
07:02:53,320 --> 07:03:00,040
excavation administrator and attorney's office to determine what specific permit and how to move forward.

5379
07:03:00,160 --> 07:03:02,840
Okay, Joanne, please come forward.

5380
07:03:03,860 --> 07:03:04,260
You have to know.

5381
07:03:04,460 --> 07:03:07,740
Joanne Vernon, county engineer and excavation administrator.

5382
07:03:08,100 --> 07:03:10,740
So how would that set back be followed?

5383
07:03:11,640 --> 07:03:19,700
So it would depend what we would review the permit application depending on what permit we all decide they would need to get.

5384
07:03:20,340 --> 07:03:26,520
And if that setback would apply for that permit type, then they would have to meet it.

5385
07:03:28,330 --> 07:03:34,070
Okay, so we done during staff review that setback would have to be met.

5386
07:03:34,890 --> 07:03:40,370
Okay, because it was a constituent citizen who said they were worried it wouldn't be met.

5387
07:03:40,770 --> 07:03:44,010
But if that applied for that particular permit, they'd have to meet that standard.

5388
07:03:44,250 --> 07:03:44,550
Correct.

5389
07:03:44,910 --> 07:03:50,370
There's a question about the date on the survey and that it's an old survey.

5390
07:03:50,370 --> 07:04:03,610
Can I get clarification on that if the survey meets counter requirements for it meet our requirement is we have a application you provide the survey that survey must be within one year

5391
07:04:03,610 --> 07:04:07,150
So these projects have been going on more than a year

5392
07:04:07,150 --> 07:04:13,550
So the meets a requirement when the submit the application was a boundary reserve. Okay, so at the time it's the middle at met the requirement

5393
07:04:13,550 --> 07:04:18,410
It doesn't matter that we're having this here today and met it at the time of the submittal. Yes

5394
07:04:18,410 --> 07:04:28,190
Yes, sir. When they make application for permits moving forward, they'll also have to have a new updated one as well, so they'll have to redo it again.

5395
07:04:29,510 --> 07:04:30,030
Okay.

5396
07:04:33,320 --> 07:04:37,800
There was another person who spoke a Mrs. Diane Hack, I looked at her resume.

5397
07:04:40,320 --> 07:04:44,700
She certainly appears like an expert to me in looking at the resume.

5398
07:04:44,740 --> 07:04:48,800
I'm not going to speak for the board, but I'll certainly accept her as an expert

5399
07:04:48,800 --> 07:04:52,720
witness based on her resume assuming this is correct.

5400
07:04:54,000 --> 07:04:59,980
There were some questions in her hand out regarding the ERP conditions of vegetative material.

5401
07:05:00,000 --> 07:05:06,540
Not being allowed. I wanted to have somebody speak to that and to her comment on that.

5402
07:05:09,330 --> 07:05:10,990
Yeah, it was about, yeah.

5403
07:05:13,460 --> 07:05:16,200
I think it was about, and you may have addressed it about the

5404
07:05:16,200 --> 07:05:20,440
inert, but you said it became inert over time.

5405
07:05:21,720 --> 07:05:25,160
Yes, Commissioner, for the record, Felicia Kitt's Miller-Sterns, we've remiller for

5406
07:05:25,160 --> 07:05:30,780
the applicant. The definition of clean debris that is in statute that was recited earlier

5407
07:05:30,780 --> 07:05:36,580
It's Section 403, and I apologize I don't have the subsection available, it's Chapter 403.

5408
07:05:36,880 --> 07:05:42,480
But the definition of clean debris states that it must be inert, basically meaning it wouldn't

5409
07:05:42,480 --> 07:05:44,680
break down any further.

5410
07:05:45,740 --> 07:05:48,960
As we all know, vegetative debris breaks down over time.

5411
07:05:49,420 --> 07:05:54,080
But as if you look at the half-life, as these organic materials break down, they essentially

5412
07:05:54,080 --> 07:05:54,920
reach a point.

5413
07:05:54,940 --> 07:05:58,180
This is a matter of science, is that it doesn't break down any further.

5414
07:05:58,180 --> 07:06:01,080
you've reached a point where there is no more decomposition.

5415
07:06:01,660 --> 07:06:04,600
Think about your compost pile at home, right?

5416
07:06:04,660 --> 07:06:05,420
You put things in.

5417
07:06:05,440 --> 07:06:08,040
You might put a whole squash or a whole zucchini in there.

5418
07:06:08,160 --> 07:06:10,780
Over time, it degrades, degrades, degrades, until it's gone.

5419
07:06:10,780 --> 07:06:15,340
And now it is dark or soil, as we heard the distinction earlier.

5420
07:06:16,340 --> 07:06:20,140
But no longer is releasing those gaseous materials.

5421
07:06:20,480 --> 07:06:21,480
It essentially becomes a nerve.

5422
07:06:21,480 --> 07:06:24,600
There is no more organic matter related to it.

5423
07:06:24,600 --> 07:06:26,200
It has already performed all that's breakdown.

5424
07:06:26,200 --> 07:06:31,000
at that point it would meet the definition of a claim to break under statute.

5425
07:06:31,540 --> 07:06:36,300
So does this material get stockpiled in a certain area and then it takes, I don't know how

5426
07:06:36,300 --> 07:06:42,940
long the process takes, it may take a year, I don't know. But does it then it gets tested at that point?

5427
07:06:43,000 --> 07:06:46,120
How long does it typically take for this to break down becoming hurt?

5428
07:06:46,480 --> 07:06:51,480
I don't have those numbers at my fingertips when we were doing the dough here and we did review

5429
07:06:51,480 --> 07:06:56,180
that and we figured it would be about three to five years that this material would be stockpiled

5430
07:06:56,180 --> 07:07:01,880
turned and managed. Mr. Bain can speak more specifically to the operations on site and how much

5431
07:07:01,880 --> 07:07:07,780
material is in that virtually inert or will be inert by the time of backfilling stage. But yes,

5432
07:07:07,940 --> 07:07:12,960
we figure it takes about three to five years after the material has been composed and to reach that

5433
07:07:12,960 --> 07:07:19,540
inertia. So over a period of years, this material will be monitored, manipulated, moved, stirred,

5434
07:07:19,960 --> 07:07:24,740
whatever, until it becomes inert. Correct. And that's standard composting procedures that is

5435
07:07:24,740 --> 07:07:27,960
standard at all, solid waste facilities at this type.

5436
07:07:28,420 --> 07:07:28,980
Thank you.

5437
07:07:29,120 --> 07:07:29,600
Thank you.

5438
07:07:32,000 --> 07:07:35,020
So what I was getting to on the competent substantial

5439
07:07:35,020 --> 07:07:39,400
evidence, if I'm unable to find competent substantial

5440
07:07:39,400 --> 07:07:46,600
evidence in my decision to overturn what the board has already

5441
07:07:46,600 --> 07:07:49,260
approved, going back to the 2023 approval.

5442
07:07:49,300 --> 07:07:51,580
I think we talked about the horse leaving the barn on that already.

5443
07:07:52,440 --> 07:07:56,840
The applicants go into the process that they're supposed to go through based on that 2023 approval.

5444
07:07:57,280 --> 07:07:59,880
That's why it was on the consent agenda last time.

5445
07:08:00,000 --> 07:08:01,900
And I think out of it abundance of caution.

5446
07:08:03,580 --> 07:08:04,500
And I had a problem.

5447
07:08:04,920 --> 07:08:07,860
Really, if you remember, I had one issue it was condition M.

5448
07:08:08,640 --> 07:08:11,260
And I don't really think I remember hearing anybody today,

5449
07:08:11,300 --> 07:08:12,820
really focused on M.

5450
07:08:13,480 --> 07:08:15,880
But it wasn't issue for me back then.

5451
07:08:16,420 --> 07:08:19,540
And maybe it wasn't mentioned because I immediately,

5452
07:08:19,540 --> 07:08:24,840
when this was posted I look for that condition m being met and it was met it was

5453
07:08:24,840 --> 07:08:30,920
item number 13 as an exhibit on here and it talked about the odor, the dust, and

5454
07:08:30,920 --> 07:08:37,260
the noise. So that condition in my mind that I had a concern for before and was

5455
07:08:37,260 --> 07:08:44,020
why I voted the way I did was because I wanted to see it and now I see it.

5456
07:08:45,180 --> 07:09:05,320
But if we don't have confidence of substantial evidence and we deny the permit, it exposes the county and the taxpayers to a potential suit because we didn't follow the quasi-judicial procedure as required by statute, and that's where it's really tricky on this.

5457
07:09:05,320 --> 07:09:15,080
I think the key was the 2023 vote, not to mention all the prior votes that led up to this, you know, all the changes that happened in the past.

5458
07:09:18,060 --> 07:09:24,600
So, you know, I'm leaning towards approving again because of the confidence substantial evidence in my requirement under statute.

5459
07:09:25,140 --> 07:09:31,520
I just have not been able to see it. And I haven't wavered from my requirement at the last meeting, which was that condition and be met.

5460
07:09:31,520 --> 07:09:33,520
and the applicant met it.

5461
07:09:34,300 --> 07:09:35,520
Commissioner Constance, recognize her.

5462
07:09:35,740 --> 07:09:38,420
Yeah, just one question that I had written down a while back,

5463
07:09:38,520 --> 07:09:39,160
but I was just curious.

5464
07:09:39,520 --> 07:09:42,360
So when the post-Ein debris was contracted,

5465
07:09:42,740 --> 07:09:44,220
is it a direct contract with FEMA,

5466
07:09:44,280 --> 07:09:48,640
or was it with the county on behalf of FEMA?

5467
07:09:49,620 --> 07:09:54,740
So our contract was with the Haller,

5468
07:09:54,900 --> 07:09:56,160
which was aspirate,

5469
07:09:56,520 --> 07:09:59,220
that had I believe had the contract with the FEMA,

5470
07:09:59,220 --> 07:09:59,580
Okay.

5471
07:10:00,020 --> 07:10:06,520
So I, because I just wanted to find out if there were, if there were requirements that were being the Conqueror, I'm sorry, Gary Bain for the records.

5472
07:10:06,940 --> 07:10:15,680
Okay. I just want to know if there were, if the contract had any requirements, but I'm assuming, I shouldn't assume, but Ash Grant was just like,

5473
07:10:15,680 --> 07:10:27,680
we've got these metric tons of stuff and you, you meet the requirement to receive them, so we want to contract with you, but I didn't know if the, if FEMA had put any kind of environmental requirements on you,

5474
07:10:27,680 --> 07:10:31,360
You were not contracting directly with them.

5475
07:10:31,360 --> 07:10:35,700
Again, Gary being for the record, the only thing that FEMA had is that they had their own

5476
07:10:35,700 --> 07:10:40,680
personal spotters checking the loads, as well as our spotters as well.

5477
07:10:40,820 --> 07:10:45,220
So they had, they doubled up on the spotters making sure that the loads coming in with what

5478
07:10:45,220 --> 07:10:46,560
they said they were correct.

5479
07:10:46,640 --> 07:10:47,060
Correct.

5480
07:10:47,200 --> 07:10:47,700
Correct size.

5481
07:10:48,320 --> 07:10:48,460
Yeah.

5482
07:10:49,080 --> 07:10:51,520
That's type material coming in.

5483
07:10:52,040 --> 07:10:52,440
Thank you.

5484
07:10:52,940 --> 07:10:57,560
And since I got the county attorney on the record about if there was anything

5485
07:10:57,560 --> 07:11:03,240
legal going on here. I'd like to ask staff you've heard all the testimony. Have you changed

5486
07:11:03,240 --> 07:11:10,360
your mind on your recommendation to the board? Has anything changed? Have you heard anything

5487
07:11:10,360 --> 07:11:12,580
or do you stand by your recommendations?

5488
07:11:14,840 --> 07:11:18,680
Sorry, I don't have any. Any dad? I'm not changing my mind.

5489
07:11:19,100 --> 07:11:24,380
Okay. Can you review that? Well, I mean, it's important because this is our professional staff.

5490
07:11:24,380 --> 07:11:40,400
In certain matters, we don't know everything, we all read a lot, we ask a lot of questions and sometimes when it comes to these quasi-judicial, we rely on our subject matter experts and you're the subject matter expert along with the rest of the professional staff.

5491
07:11:40,400 --> 07:11:41,620
It's still my opinion.

5492
07:11:41,820 --> 07:11:45,980
The proposed PD-Final Detail Side Plan

5493
07:11:45,980 --> 07:11:49,920
comprise with all PD-conditions contained in the

5494
07:11:49,920 --> 07:11:53,220
ONN number, 23-020.

5495
07:11:53,840 --> 07:11:54,520
Thank you.

5496
07:11:54,820 --> 07:11:56,100
So let me phrase it this way.

5497
07:11:56,240 --> 07:11:59,220
There's been a lot of discussion about a mining permit,

5498
07:11:59,720 --> 07:12:01,700
and also this agricultural use,

5499
07:12:01,780 --> 07:12:04,760
and it was kind of a backdoor way to do a mining operation.

5500
07:12:05,800 --> 07:12:08,520
Do our codes in order to need to be changed or improved

5501
07:12:08,520 --> 07:12:14,980
to, so this doesn't happen again, and another board doesn't have the same situation.

5502
07:12:18,790 --> 07:12:25,570
Joanne Burnon for the record. I think that decision lies in your guys' hands.

5503
07:12:26,770 --> 07:12:31,930
If there are things that you would like to change to make more clear, we could certainly

5504
07:12:31,930 --> 07:12:37,130
take a look at that and have any input you guys would like to see us look at.

5505
07:12:37,130 --> 07:12:42,910
I hate to put you on the spot, but I am because, you know, this is technical, this is technical.

5506
07:12:44,030 --> 07:12:47,050
And, you know, we look to staff or recommendations on approving it.

5507
07:12:47,190 --> 07:13:00,370
It appears in this particular case, the existing framework that we have, the applicant was able to work within that framework as bad as it may appear that,

5508
07:13:00,370 --> 07:13:02,410
It's a mine, but it is an egg.

5509
07:13:03,230 --> 07:13:06,230
But they worked within the framework of the rules,

5510
07:13:06,370 --> 07:13:07,550
the way they're currently written.

5511
07:13:08,270 --> 07:13:08,790
That is correct.

5512
07:13:09,230 --> 07:13:11,730
And that's the problem.

5513
07:13:11,750 --> 07:13:14,790
If I'm going to ding somebody, I want to see a clear violation

5514
07:13:14,790 --> 07:13:15,490
of the rules.

5515
07:13:15,710 --> 07:13:19,110
I have not seen a legal violation, or where they deviated

5516
07:13:19,110 --> 07:13:21,550
from the framework of the rules that we have in place right now.

5517
07:13:21,570 --> 07:13:22,730
And that's the problem.

5518
07:13:23,210 --> 07:13:25,450
And you throw on top of it, it's quasi-judicial.

5519
07:13:27,090 --> 07:13:28,830
These are some of the things we have to grapple with.

5520
07:13:28,830 --> 07:13:31,670
and that's this is one of them. This is one of them.

5521
07:13:31,670 --> 07:13:33,330
Commissioner Corrects recognized. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

5522
07:13:33,950 --> 07:13:35,770
And I think we could certainly have that conversation.

5523
07:13:36,530 --> 07:13:44,170
But we can't activate any changes until after the ban has been lifted on making things more restrictive.

5524
07:13:44,750 --> 07:13:48,850
That's so I think Commissioner D'Ordie said 2027, pending, right?

5525
07:13:49,290 --> 07:13:52,410
Pending a storm, pending, whatever may happen from the governor's office.

5526
07:13:52,910 --> 07:13:57,330
But I think it's something we'll have in conversation about to figure out how we might be able to dial this.

5527
07:13:57,330 --> 07:14:02,890
And this has always been, mining is always a problem with people, but it's also a need for

5528
07:14:02,890 --> 07:14:03,370
our community.

5529
07:14:03,710 --> 07:14:08,610
So I think trying to dial it in, get it right, as we continue to grow, it's going to be very

5530
07:14:08,610 --> 07:14:09,470
very important.

5531
07:14:10,150 --> 07:14:10,310
Yeah.

5532
07:14:10,410 --> 07:14:11,010
Commissioner Dirty Recony.

5533
07:14:11,290 --> 07:14:15,490
Yeah, Commissioner Treks just said, you know, what I was going to try to say, I think I want

5534
07:14:15,490 --> 07:14:16,430
to look at it holistically.

5535
07:14:16,670 --> 07:14:16,790
Yeah.

5536
07:14:17,070 --> 07:14:21,650
Well, look at the map, locations of where Earth moving is, excavations are going to be allowed

5537
07:14:21,650 --> 07:14:22,490
in this county.

5538
07:14:22,750 --> 07:14:23,570
Want to move at East?

5539
07:14:23,830 --> 07:14:24,770
I know that's problematic.

5540
07:14:24,770 --> 07:14:28,610
of this pros and cons, so I'll ask, plus we need to look at the Earth movement code.

5541
07:14:29,570 --> 07:14:33,910
And yeah, we got to understand what happened here and work towards it, but I really,

5542
07:14:34,410 --> 07:14:38,670
realistically, we can't do anything about this until 2027 because of the state.

5543
07:14:38,910 --> 07:14:40,050
That's one other thing folks.

5544
07:14:41,350 --> 07:14:45,830
We're losing our home rule authority on a lot of stuff from Tallahassee.

5545
07:14:46,890 --> 07:14:49,090
So that's the cards we dealt. Thank you, sir.

5546
07:14:49,470 --> 07:14:51,650
Thank you. Okay, so we have a motion in the second.

5547
07:14:51,730 --> 07:14:52,910
Is there any further discussion?

5548
07:14:53,770 --> 07:14:55,730
Is there any opposition to the motion?

5549
07:14:55,870 --> 07:14:56,050
Yes.

5550
07:14:56,410 --> 07:14:57,350
And I'm still opposed.

5551
07:14:58,550 --> 07:14:58,690
Okay.

5552
07:14:58,750 --> 07:14:59,970
That passes three to two.

5553
07:15:00,000 --> 07:15:05,000
Commissioner, do H and Commissioner Constance opposed. Okay, we're going to move on to VB2.

5554
07:15:16,130 --> 07:15:22,190
Just so you guys know, I've been trying to get into the next item and to check the other three in all of our computers.

5555
07:15:23,150 --> 07:15:29,570
The document's start coming up, but Mr. Four has said that it's coming up on his phone.

5556
07:15:30,890 --> 07:15:33,910
So he's already touched in basal with IT and tried to figure it out.

5557
07:15:34,510 --> 07:15:37,710
You're not able to pull him up? I'm not. I keep saying it's been removed.

5558
07:15:37,710 --> 07:15:41,810
I'll click on one of them.

5559
07:15:41,810 --> 07:15:43,690
Yeah, there it is.

5560
07:15:43,690 --> 07:15:44,710
Just pop it up.

5561
07:15:45,950 --> 07:15:47,850
I guess it just doesn't like my computer.

5562
07:15:50,450 --> 07:15:52,330
It's taking a long time to load.

5563
07:15:52,510 --> 07:15:54,430
Mine comes up and says it's been removed.

5564
07:15:55,530 --> 07:15:56,710
Mine popped up.

5565
07:15:56,830 --> 07:15:57,910
Mine says it's been removed.

5566
07:15:59,290 --> 07:16:00,930
I did four times.

5567
07:16:02,070 --> 07:16:04,250
That's my IT extent of my IT.

5568
07:16:05,010 --> 07:16:08,650
It's as deep in IT design.

5569
07:16:09,870 --> 07:16:11,530
All right, gentlemen, we ready to proceed, yes, sir.

5570
07:16:11,850 --> 07:16:12,340
Okay, VB2.

5571
07:16:13,050 --> 07:16:14,910
Mr. Shao, you recognize the present.

5572
07:16:15,730 --> 07:16:16,170
Good afternoon.

5573
07:16:16,690 --> 07:16:17,630
This is legislative.

5574
07:16:17,870 --> 07:16:19,450
So no disclosures on this one.

5575
07:16:19,730 --> 07:16:20,990
Good afternoon for the record.

5576
07:16:21,330 --> 07:16:22,750
Jay Shao, committee department.

5577
07:16:23,830 --> 07:16:26,440
The applicants are requesting on street vacation application.

5578
07:16:27,170 --> 07:16:29,250
The ST-26-01.

5579
07:16:30,270 --> 07:16:32,390
And today's hearing is adoption hearing.

5580
07:16:34,090 --> 07:16:41,210
The requested street vacation is to vacate a portion of the Jupiter one-way adjacent to

5581
07:16:41,210 --> 07:16:50,070
Laude's 60, Brock II, 035, Porsche Subdivine, Section 24, and Laude's 60 is located

5582
07:16:50,070 --> 07:17:00,490
at 488 App Engine Drive in Cmd District 5. Sorry, District 4. And the side contains approximately

5583
07:17:00,490 --> 07:17:03,590
three thousand three hundred six square feet.

5584
07:17:05,890 --> 07:17:10,090
This is the general location of the subject property

5585
07:17:10,090 --> 07:17:18,810
which is located in the Mid County area. This is the area image of the property in four range.

5586
07:17:21,000 --> 07:17:28,500
This is a 2025 Eagle View image of the subject property. The property's future

5587
07:17:28,500 --> 07:17:35,900
The famous map that's nation is low-density residential with residential single-family 3.5 zoning.

5588
07:17:37,060 --> 07:17:45,300
The notification of public hearings has been sent to all property owners within the 1000 feet of the site boundary.

5589
07:17:46,940 --> 07:17:55,540
The majority of the property located within Fraud Zone 9AE and the remainder is located within Fraud Zone X.

5590
07:17:55,540 --> 07:18:01,400
and the majority of property is located outside of the coast of Ohio's area.

5591
07:18:02,940 --> 07:18:05,980
The proposed street vacation overlaid on the area.

5592
07:18:06,920 --> 07:18:12,300
So if approval, this street vacation application would allow for more

5593
07:18:12,300 --> 07:18:14,840
deburple space on the property.

5594
07:18:15,000 --> 07:18:18,980
However, the residential run rights, which is one unit,

5595
07:18:19,280 --> 07:18:21,460
per out, will remain the same.

5596
07:18:21,460 --> 07:18:27,700
So, no residents will be denied reasonable access to their properties or to the water.

5597
07:18:28,280 --> 07:18:35,420
So, all appropriate departments have reviewed this application and all the affected utility have been notified.

5598
07:18:36,260 --> 07:18:42,820
Three conditions are required by the rail station services and the public works, which are first.

5599
07:18:43,340 --> 07:18:47,640
Within 90 days, following the board approve of this street vacation.

5600
07:18:47,640 --> 07:18:55,580
The petitioners shall provide Sharkani public works with a recorded 24-canile mentionous

5601
07:18:55,580 --> 07:18:56,020
easement.

5602
07:18:56,520 --> 07:19:03,120
That is acceptable to the county attorney, and that Sharkan with the land, and transfer with

5603
07:19:03,120 --> 07:19:05,680
any future commons of the property.

5604
07:19:06,440 --> 07:19:14,000
And second condition, a pound recordation of the new canal mentionous easement, the petitioners

5605
07:19:14,000 --> 07:19:21,160
child apply for the release of the existing recorded canal maintenance easement.

5606
07:19:21,760 --> 07:19:28,560
And the third condition is that upon recommendation of the new canal maintenance easement,

5607
07:19:28,860 --> 07:19:36,980
the petitioner's child apply for an occupational easement for the existing COO located within

5608
07:19:36,980 --> 07:19:41,520
the newly recorded 24 canal maintenance easement.

5609
07:19:41,520 --> 07:19:45,680
So, it is staff's professional pinning, that's a proposed street vacation.

5610
07:19:46,780 --> 07:19:56,020
Position number, the ST-26-01 with recommended three conditions is general consistent with the county's comprehensive plan.

5611
07:19:56,320 --> 07:19:59,980
The county's code of laws and oneness and any other applications.

5612
07:20:00,000 --> 07:20:07,160
Thank you. I welcome and I'm open for any questions. Thank you.

5613
07:20:12,060 --> 07:20:16,180
Okay, you can't speak unless you have a handout.

5614
07:20:16,180 --> 07:20:23,320
I mean, you know that, well, if there's no objection from the board, we'll go ahead

5615
07:20:23,320 --> 07:20:23,760
and play.

5616
07:20:25,020 --> 07:20:28,660
And go, you can go ahead and speak on behalf of the applicant.

5617
07:20:29,160 --> 07:20:30,420
Well, I'm Martian Noble.

5618
07:20:31,340 --> 07:20:35,780
And I respectfully request that you approve our petition for the vacation.

5619
07:20:36,340 --> 07:20:36,560
Okay.

5620
07:20:37,420 --> 07:20:38,980
You've seen a name for the record, sir?

5621
07:20:39,200 --> 07:20:40,100
James Noble.

5622
07:20:41,840 --> 07:20:43,020
I'm her subuted.

5623
07:20:43,440 --> 07:20:44,840
Your her subject matter expert.

5624
07:20:48,860 --> 07:20:59,860
You've seen all the, you've seen the zoning board review. You've seen the staff review. I'm not going to believe it. I just hope you approved that and we stand by what we've said before in our application.

5625
07:21:00,580 --> 07:21:02,080
Thank you. Mr. Concierge, you had a question for that.

5626
07:21:02,140 --> 07:21:10,100
Just curious, so obviously the purpose is you want to extend the property to the waterfront is are you in the process of building and you want to do a pool or something?

5627
07:21:10,100 --> 07:21:13,100
We have been building a house for four and a half years.

5628
07:21:13,380 --> 07:21:15,440
We've run into other problems.

5629
07:21:17,040 --> 07:21:20,360
We end up having to terminate our contract with our original

5630
07:21:20,360 --> 07:21:23,100
builder because I can't really mention it,

5631
07:21:23,220 --> 07:21:26,020
because we are in the precedents against it now.

5632
07:21:27,080 --> 07:21:30,360
We have a new builder in these, trying to finish it.

5633
07:21:30,620 --> 07:21:34,220
We've just received a seat of all from Charlotte County last week

5634
07:21:34,220 --> 07:21:36,320
so we're in the right avenue.

5635
07:21:36,320 --> 07:21:43,240
The reason we want to buy it is so that, you know, we can have more space that we own.

5636
07:21:43,260 --> 07:21:48,980
We already have a sea ball. We have a dock and a boat lift. We don't have any money for the boat now.

5637
07:21:50,340 --> 07:21:50,420
Sorry.

5638
07:21:51,340 --> 07:21:57,280
And one of our things is we, our daughters and wheelchairs. We needed way of getting access down to the canal for it.

5639
07:21:57,300 --> 07:22:00,340
Because there's a 16 to 12 foot decline.

5640
07:22:00,340 --> 07:22:05,000
Well, and I know you think you don't have the can't be permanent. They have to be temporary

5641
07:22:05,620 --> 07:22:10,030
But the beginning aspect where it has to be permanent. So let's what we're looking at

5642
07:22:10,860 --> 07:22:14,270
Thank you very much. Unfortunately your first contractor has the boat now

5643
07:22:15,940 --> 07:22:20,000
Yeah, any other questions for the applicant he needs the boot. Yeah, no needs the boot

5644
07:22:20,000 --> 07:22:26,320
Any other questions for the applicant? Thank you very much. Thank you. We're gonna open this item up to the public for public input anybody from the public

5645
07:22:26,320 --> 07:22:28,900
which in the speak on this item VB2, please come forward

5646
07:22:28,900 --> 07:22:30,840
stage any for the record you'll have two minutes.

5647
07:22:31,320 --> 07:22:34,100
Last call, anybody from the public on VB2, please come forward

5648
07:22:34,100 --> 07:22:34,760
you'll have five minutes.

5649
07:22:34,880 --> 07:22:36,840
Mr. Chairman, I said no one rising moved close public

5650
07:22:36,840 --> 07:22:37,460
and second.

5651
07:22:37,680 --> 07:22:40,820
Web motion, second to close the public input is there.

5652
07:22:40,960 --> 07:22:41,720
Any further discussion?

5653
07:22:42,300 --> 07:22:43,240
Any opposition to the motion?

5654
07:22:43,460 --> 07:22:44,320
Public input is closed.

5655
07:22:44,720 --> 07:22:46,540
Mr. Chairman, move a pro of VB2.

5656
07:22:46,680 --> 07:22:46,900
Second.

5657
07:22:47,120 --> 07:22:49,640
Web motion, second to approve VB2 is there any further discussion?

5658
07:22:50,220 --> 07:22:51,300
Is there any opposition to the motion?

5659
07:22:51,780 --> 07:22:52,880
That passes unanimously.

5660
07:22:52,880 --> 07:22:58,460
We're on to VB3 that is quasi-judicial, anything to disclose, Commissioner Doge.

5661
07:23:01,100 --> 07:23:01,480
Mission 2X.

5662
07:23:01,600 --> 07:23:02,000
And I'll start.

5663
07:23:02,320 --> 07:23:02,820
Commissioner Constance.

5664
07:23:02,960 --> 07:23:03,280
No disclosure.

5665
07:23:04,180 --> 07:23:04,640
Commissioner Doge.

5666
07:23:04,940 --> 07:23:04,980
Yeah.

5667
07:23:05,060 --> 07:23:09,860
Meeting with staff and I received an email and a letter.

5668
07:23:10,200 --> 07:23:13,820
Actually a letter from the Burnstork Coalition in support.

5669
07:23:14,840 --> 07:23:15,000
Yes.

5670
07:23:15,260 --> 07:23:17,820
I met with staff and received some email correspondences.

5671
07:23:17,920 --> 07:23:18,920
Well, I filed my paperwork.

5672
07:23:19,520 --> 07:23:21,560
Mr. Shau, you're recognized to present.

5673
07:23:21,560 --> 07:23:28,760
Good afternoon, again, good afternoon again for the record, J-H-L, Community Development Department and my planning

5674
07:23:28,760 --> 07:23:33,440
expert qualifications attached to staff report as exhibit one.

5675
07:23:34,120 --> 07:23:41,520
The applicant is requesting petition PD-25-13 and today's hearing is adoption hearing.

5676
07:23:42,660 --> 07:23:50,060
The request to resume is from plan development PD for approximate 265 acres and the commercial

5677
07:23:50,060 --> 07:23:58,380
general CG for approximately 12.55 acres to plan development PD in order to have a mixture of

5678
07:23:58,380 --> 07:24:07,380
residential uses up to 999 units and commercial use up to 195,000 square feet requiring

5679
07:24:07,380 --> 07:24:19,240
transfer of units for residential development above the base density of 26 units and the

5680
07:24:19,240 --> 07:24:20,680
PD concept plan.

5681
07:24:21,380 --> 07:24:25,260
The subject property is located in Commission District 2.

5682
07:24:26,220 --> 07:24:31,180
The notification of public hearings for this application was sent to the property owner

5683
07:24:31,180 --> 07:24:36,360
and adjacent property owners within 1,000 feet of the subject property.

5684
07:24:38,430 --> 07:24:44,350
This is a general location of subject property which is located in the South County area.

5685
07:24:44,350 --> 07:24:50,410
This is the area image of the property which is located east of Burntstone Road.

5686
07:24:51,990 --> 07:24:58,830
The subject property includes 11 parcels and is located in the boundary of the Burntstone area.

5687
07:25:01,600 --> 07:25:16,540
The site contains approximately 277.75 acres. On the screen, this is 2050 framework map, the entire site is designated as part of emerging neighborhood.

5688
07:25:17,380 --> 07:25:25,400
The site is currently designated as Burnt store that is residential on the 2030, 3030 map.

5689
07:25:25,900 --> 07:25:30,980
The subject property is don't plan development and CG.

5690
07:25:32,640 --> 07:25:37,120
So on the screen, this is proposed PD for the entire site.

5691
07:25:37,620 --> 07:25:44,060
So now I would like to provide a brief history of the subject property and the current uses.

5692
07:25:45,880 --> 07:25:54,360
One parcel of the subject property located directly on Burnstone Road has been zoned commercial

5693
07:25:54,360 --> 07:26:01,400
general CG and the property's future-end use map destination was amended from commercial

5694
07:26:01,400 --> 07:26:05,960
quarter to vegetable residential as part of the Burnstone area plan.

5695
07:26:06,580 --> 07:26:12,540
And renamed to Burnstone Village residential during the county's comprehensive plan

5696
07:26:12,540 --> 07:26:14,060
rewrite in 2010.

5697
07:26:14,060 --> 07:26:20,580
The PD is the only category to implement the intent of the Burnstone Village Residential

5698
07:26:20,580 --> 07:26:22,120
Future Land Youth Math category.

5699
07:26:23,240 --> 07:26:28,720
So in September 2007, the Board of Accounting Commissioners approved the amendment to the

5700
07:26:28,720 --> 07:26:34,440
zoning access from agricultural states and the residential multi-family to plan development

5701
07:26:34,440 --> 07:26:42,160
for the remaining 10 parcels of the subject property in order to allow for a residential

5702
07:26:42,160 --> 07:26:46,040
department up to 999 units.

5703
07:26:48,690 --> 07:26:54,990
And the associate PDC concept plan for that for this PDE expire on September

5704
07:26:54,990 --> 07:27:05,250
1928 based on the PDE zoning code in effect at that time. So in November 2022, the previous

5705
07:27:05,250 --> 07:27:10,450
property owner submitted a request to extend the expired PDC concept.

5706
07:27:11,290 --> 07:27:17,110
So on February 28, 2023, the board approved the extension request.

5707
07:27:17,530 --> 07:27:24,330
So that means they have active PD for the site for 999 units, for 9 for 10 parcels.

5708
07:27:24,770 --> 07:27:29,090
And there's one parcel facing Bernstil Road is on CG.

5709
07:27:30,090 --> 07:27:36,030
To the north, they are vacant, cleaned, scattered single-family homes, and agricultural and

5710
07:27:36,030 --> 07:27:36,750
use it.

5711
07:27:37,010 --> 07:27:42,670
The base density is 1 unit, per 10 acres, or 1 unit per platelot, to the north of the

5712
07:27:42,670 --> 07:27:42,870
site.

5713
07:27:43,390 --> 07:27:51,530
First, the plant development was approved in 2021 for a mixed residential development of up to

5714
07:27:51,530 --> 07:27:53,750
140 units.

5715
07:27:54,090 --> 07:27:56,170
The project is called Starling.

5716
07:27:56,170 --> 07:28:02,830
And to the east of the subject property, I remarks since the late owned by the state of Florida.

5717
07:28:03,370 --> 07:28:12,530
The property immediate to the south containing approximately 349.1 acres is approved for another residential

5718
07:28:12,530 --> 07:28:20,170
development of up to 1,000 units without commercial use or mixed, mixed residential and commercial

5719
07:28:20,170 --> 07:28:28,530
development of up to 466 units and 100,000 square feet of commercial, which has called

5720
07:28:28,530 --> 07:28:32,050
a bit of coal, firelight, north.

5721
07:28:33,690 --> 07:28:40,490
Cross-bursts road to the west is a heritage land in the environmental region impact, which

5722
07:28:40,490 --> 07:28:48,890
allows for a mixture of residential up to 1,810 units and 20,000 square feet of office uses

5723
07:28:48,890 --> 07:28:58,810
and 100,000, 500 square feet of retail uses, and 150 hotel rooms, which across street from

5724
07:28:58,810 --> 07:28:59,770
the United States, 20.

5725
07:29:00,890 --> 07:29:07,650
So African is requesting a mention for the PD rezoning for the entire site, so in order

5726
07:29:07,650 --> 07:29:12,690
to have a mixture of residential and commercial, but keep that in mind, they have existing

5727
07:29:12,690 --> 07:29:16,190
PD allows for 999 residential units.

5728
07:29:16,190 --> 07:29:19,830
this PD rezoning, no change for the residential

5729
07:29:19,830 --> 07:29:22,710
development rights, which approved 999.

5730
07:29:22,950 --> 07:29:24,050
So it remains the same.

5731
07:29:24,670 --> 07:29:26,970
The only change is for commercial general users

5732
07:29:26,970 --> 07:29:31,750
added a mixed use component for 195,000 square feet.

5733
07:29:32,630 --> 07:29:36,650
So the birth of the residential future land use map destination

5734
07:29:36,650 --> 07:29:40,550
allows for commercial and institutional development,

5735
07:29:41,010 --> 07:29:43,790
which is limited to 10% of the total

5736
07:29:43,790 --> 07:29:45,710
the term area for the property.

5737
07:29:46,470 --> 07:29:51,350
So as I mentioned before, the property contains approximately 277 acres.

5738
07:29:51,930 --> 07:29:58,590
So the proposed approximate 17.91 acres of commercial area,

5739
07:29:58,670 --> 07:29:59,970
equal 6.5.

5740
07:30:00,000 --> 07:30:08,500
5% of the property, and is width in the allowable 10%. So the proposed maximal commercial score,

5741
07:30:08,500 --> 07:30:17,000
square footage, is 195,000 square feet for the proposed commercial uses, resulting in a

5742
07:30:17,000 --> 07:30:25,500
frio ratio of approximately 0.25, which need the limitation in the burst of the residential

5743
07:30:25,500 --> 07:30:27,480
allow us for commercial uses.

5744
07:30:29,020 --> 07:30:37,060
So additionally, the applicant is proposing that up to 300 of the maximum 999 units

5745
07:30:37,060 --> 07:30:40,580
may be used for recreational vehicle uses.

5746
07:30:41,080 --> 07:30:49,660
So the property contains approximately 277 acres, which exceed the minimum 100 acre requirement

5747
07:30:49,660 --> 07:30:56,540
for recreational vehicle uses for properties designated as Bernstow Village residential.

5748
07:30:57,260 --> 07:31:02,480
Therefore, it is their professional opinion that the proposed development is consistent

5749
07:31:02,480 --> 07:31:07,000
with the Bernstow Village residential future-land use map designation.

5750
07:31:10,080 --> 07:31:10,600
So, basically,

5751
07:31:13,950 --> 07:31:15,690
sorry, I already presented that.

5752
07:31:15,690 --> 07:31:23,090
So, I have the sign to talk about 11 parcels and 11 for CG and 10 parcels for existing PD.

5753
07:31:24,810 --> 07:31:31,570
So, based on the future land use policy from Part 6.2.10, natural resource connections,

5754
07:31:33,010 --> 07:31:38,050
the proposed green way and wildlife corridors, wrong through the subject of property,

5755
07:31:38,290 --> 07:31:39,350
you can see on the screen.

5756
07:31:39,730 --> 07:31:46,950
So, according to the proposed general PD concept plan, which is showing on the screen, the

5757
07:31:46,950 --> 07:31:48,950
submitted e-marmate report.

5758
07:31:48,950 --> 07:31:58,090
So, the African proposed approximately 9.28 acres for wildlife corridor with a minimum

5759
07:31:58,090 --> 07:32:04,810
width of 100 feet, which is here, this is the proposed wildlife corridor, and the proposed

5760
07:32:04,810 --> 07:32:12,310
75-foot green-wheat corals has been relocated, this is 7-5 feet green-wheat corals.

5761
07:32:12,310 --> 07:32:23,390
There have been re-located to accommodate and align with the onsite, what then to the north and extend through the western side of the site.

5762
07:32:24,010 --> 07:32:34,230
Connected to connected with off-site properties greenways to the south and align with stay on land to the south and east surrounding the site.

5763
07:32:34,230 --> 07:32:42,330
I can imagine before here is a proposed 100 foot wildlife corridor is located along the southern

5764
07:32:42,330 --> 07:32:49,950
boundary of the property which is consistent with wildlife corridor adjacent property to the

5765
07:32:49,950 --> 07:32:57,190
west, so they are connected. The wildlife corridor from the subject property is connected to the

5766
07:32:57,190 --> 07:33:00,270
if I like North, while I quote her.

5767
07:33:00,870 --> 07:33:06,410
So now I would like to discuss some specific PD conditions in more detail.

5768
07:33:07,010 --> 07:33:13,550
So the proposed PD condition C is established, permitted commercial and residential uses,

5769
07:33:14,310 --> 07:33:21,750
and the PD transportation conditions K and L are proposed by staff to address the traffic

5770
07:33:21,750 --> 07:33:35,120
concurrency and safety concerns, such as the maximum of four maximum of four access will be allowed on the subject property.

5771
07:33:36,760 --> 07:33:40,120
And also they need me to the concurrency requirement.

5772
07:33:45,700 --> 07:33:57,000
And also the PD condition P requires enhanced landscape and buffer requirements such as type B buffer instead of type A buffer between single family

5773
07:33:57,000 --> 07:34:04,360
and multi-family uses, and a type A buffer instead of no buffer is required between single-family homes.

5774
07:34:04,700 --> 07:34:07,580
So they will provide enhanced, then skipping the buffer.

5775
07:34:08,000 --> 07:34:18,700
And also, condition Q requires five treatment elements for each primary facade instead of three treatment elements for commercial development.

5776
07:34:19,020 --> 07:34:22,540
So they have higher standard of commercial design standard requirement.

5777
07:34:22,540 --> 07:34:31,180
Also, condition R requires a habit of management plan to protect and preserve on site weapons.

5778
07:34:31,780 --> 07:34:46,840
So also, condition S requires that the processing of the proposed green-week corridor shall be designed as an at-grade crossing to allow the passenger of animal using the corridor.

5779
07:34:47,260 --> 07:34:51,080
So they have specific design to accommodate the animals.

5780
07:34:53,940 --> 07:34:57,240
Yeah, I'm sorry. I got to stop you. Can you go back up a few slides?

5781
07:34:58,380 --> 07:34:59,960
History of probably, let's start there.

5782
07:35:04,530 --> 07:35:13,710
So this is a PD already and the majority of the site. They have 11 parcels and the 10 parcels are

5783
07:35:13,710 --> 07:35:18,130
zoned PD and the one parcel is a long, facing Bernstow Road.

5784
07:35:18,190 --> 07:35:24,050
This is CG. And now they want to incorporate it all into the busy, because they're going to rework it a little bit.

5785
07:35:25,550 --> 07:35:31,270
So, they want to go from 999 to 1,000.

5786
07:35:31,330 --> 07:35:37,010
Now, the residential is remained the same, 999 units, no change.

5787
07:35:37,370 --> 07:35:41,850
For the residential demand rise, the only components they added is for the commercial.

5788
07:35:42,450 --> 07:35:47,990
So, they will include commercial engineering uses up to 195,000 square feet,

5789
07:35:48,310 --> 07:35:50,790
which is only 0.25 FAR.

5790
07:35:51,630 --> 07:35:54,110
I thought I saw something about 26 additional.

5791
07:35:55,170 --> 07:35:55,190
So...

5792
07:35:55,190 --> 07:35:57,650
Are the base density is 26 units?

5793
07:35:57,650 --> 07:35:58,030
Okay.

5794
07:35:58,170 --> 07:35:59,490
So they still have to add density.

5795
07:35:59,910 --> 07:36:02,070
They have the ability to do the 999.

5796
07:36:02,910 --> 07:36:04,850
They have 26 less than that.

5797
07:36:04,990 --> 07:36:05,410
No.

5798
07:36:05,410 --> 07:36:07,250
They have 26 base density.

5799
07:36:07,530 --> 07:36:11,150
Any residential development above 26 units.

5800
07:36:11,550 --> 07:36:12,610
They are required to transfer.

5801
07:36:13,070 --> 07:36:13,950
So we said another way.

5802
07:36:14,170 --> 07:36:19,810
They still need to bring 973 units of density to this property in the network.

5803
07:36:24,070 --> 07:36:30,790
Now go the next slide, so here's the problem I have, I see the I see the wildlife cord

5804
07:36:30,790 --> 07:36:34,890
or that makes sense because they're using it at the very bottom part.

5805
07:36:34,950 --> 07:36:35,950
You show that in the schematic.

5806
07:36:36,870 --> 07:36:39,690
How are we incorporating the greenways into this map?

5807
07:36:40,930 --> 07:36:48,410
Because you're showing me the greenway there but I don't see it on this detail or this site plan.

5808
07:36:48,410 --> 07:36:54,090
Okay, and this is a proposed side plan right. I do one green way. This is a green way. We should consistent

5809
07:36:55,170 --> 07:36:58,070
Wait this one here. That's one green way

5810
07:36:59,950 --> 07:37:05,390
Well, but not exactly because exactly where that green line is there's houses and streets

5811
07:37:05,390 --> 07:37:12,610
So your line should have been drawn a little bit higher. Do you understand what I'm saying your green line there is it does not know the bottom one

5812
07:37:13,070 --> 07:37:18,150
Yeah, that does not match where you're showing me the green way is on this on the side plan

5813
07:37:18,150 --> 07:37:23,890
Okay, one point out, Commissioner, because when we did that first or error playing at that time,

5814
07:37:24,330 --> 07:37:31,970
we based on there's no ground choose for when we set the green ways and wildlife quarter.

5815
07:37:32,370 --> 07:37:33,830
We just gave general location.

5816
07:37:34,490 --> 07:37:39,450
So actually the location of exactly the proposed green way of wildlife quarter,

5817
07:37:39,770 --> 07:37:44,650
or determined with the PD rezoning, has proposed side print because at that time,

5818
07:37:44,990 --> 07:37:47,650
they would do the emergency assessment report.

5819
07:37:47,650 --> 07:37:54,850
So we are known, we are on site wetland, so we are natural resources, so that's why the

5820
07:37:54,850 --> 07:38:01,250
actually location of the greenways will determine that the PD rezoning stage.

5821
07:38:02,330 --> 07:38:07,690
Because we have no part to go there, we want to do the burn store study, they have thousands

5822
07:38:07,690 --> 07:38:09,310
of acres, the plan.

5823
07:38:09,590 --> 07:38:14,650
So just the plan intention, we set up policy, we said we need the greenways, we needed the

5824
07:38:14,650 --> 07:38:17,050
wildlife corridor, that just the general location.

5825
07:38:18,190 --> 07:38:23,550
So your green lines here just represent a general schematic when the final plan is okay.

5826
07:38:23,750 --> 07:38:25,430
So now go to the next one.

5827
07:38:26,050 --> 07:38:28,430
So all right that green line is now a little bit higher.

5828
07:38:29,190 --> 07:38:34,550
Is it going to force the other landowner to match up now?

5829
07:38:34,570 --> 07:38:38,330
Because these guys came in first and says this is where the green way is established.

5830
07:38:39,150 --> 07:38:42,490
Those guys are going to have to match up with wherever this green way is.

5831
07:38:42,630 --> 07:38:46,150
They can't say we want the green way down here because there's no place.

5832
07:38:46,150 --> 07:38:49,390
It's going to have to match up, is that correct?

5833
07:38:49,610 --> 07:38:50,890
That's what General speaking is.

5834
07:38:50,950 --> 07:38:52,870
Like I mentioned to the wildlife corridor.

5835
07:38:53,250 --> 07:38:54,230
They located to the southern.

5836
07:38:54,250 --> 07:38:57,650
They're actually connected with the wildlife north.

5837
07:38:58,430 --> 07:38:59,510
They matched the wildlife corridor.

5838
07:38:59,590 --> 07:39:01,470
They had to put it there because it matches.

5839
07:39:01,550 --> 07:39:02,570
And everybody's on the boundary.

5840
07:39:02,870 --> 07:39:03,550
So it makes sense.

5841
07:39:03,710 --> 07:39:06,070
And also here is the green way.

5842
07:39:06,090 --> 07:39:07,730
As you may see on land.

5843
07:39:08,870 --> 07:39:10,970
And also they have the green way.

5844
07:39:10,970 --> 07:39:11,790
They have green way.

5845
07:39:12,110 --> 07:39:13,270
They realize they sound the...

5846
07:39:13,270 --> 07:39:13,610
I'm sorry.

5847
07:39:13,770 --> 07:39:14,950
That is state-owned land.

5848
07:39:14,950 --> 07:39:15,290
Yes.

5849
07:39:15,490 --> 07:39:16,210
To the middle west.

5850
07:39:16,370 --> 07:39:16,810
To the west.

5851
07:39:16,890 --> 07:39:17,130
All right.

5852
07:39:17,290 --> 07:39:24,270
And also the did that mentioned based on the amount assessment report that they have

5853
07:39:24,270 --> 07:39:28,130
an online, the wetland and they have adjacent wetland there.

5854
07:39:28,130 --> 07:39:32,690
So that's why the altered the green way, the second green way.

5855
07:39:32,870 --> 07:39:33,830
So that's the altered.

5856
07:39:34,450 --> 07:39:34,690
Okay.

5857
07:39:35,390 --> 07:39:40,530
Well, if you go back up to slide 11 or just go up three slides, maybe.

5858
07:39:41,650 --> 07:39:42,530
Keep going.

5859
07:39:42,870 --> 07:39:42,950
Huh?

5860
07:39:43,390 --> 07:39:43,830
Yep.

5861
07:39:45,070 --> 07:39:53,410
So I see the subject property and that brown square, that's state on land, but the other purple is a PD.

5862
07:39:54,150 --> 07:39:59,290
So that PD is going to have to match up with somewhere on that state land to continue the greenway over.

5863
07:40:00,000 --> 07:40:05,240
Is that correct? Yes. Okay, that's it. Thank you. I just want to know.

5864
07:40:07,910 --> 07:40:19,830
I can recognize the continue. Okay. I have one more thing to talk. Actually, the applicant also proposed a specific sign requirement for commercial uses.

5865
07:40:19,830 --> 07:40:26,730
So, it is staff's professional opinion that proposed PD rezoning with Condition A through W.

5866
07:40:26,750 --> 07:40:32,350
A general system with all requirements and various goals, objectives and policies

5867
07:40:32,350 --> 07:40:35,550
as set forth in the county's comprehensive plan.

5868
07:40:35,870 --> 07:40:40,470
The intent and the vision of the Bernstor area plan and the intent of the Bernstor

5869
07:40:40,470 --> 07:40:45,850
value residential fusion and use map designation and the county's code of law and

5870
07:40:45,850 --> 07:40:48,990
and any other applicable guidelines.

5871
07:40:49,650 --> 07:40:52,610
So the applicable agrees with all proposed BD conditions

5872
07:40:52,610 --> 07:40:55,790
of being more happy to answer any questions you may have.

5873
07:40:56,050 --> 07:40:56,950
Any questions for staff?

5874
07:40:58,290 --> 07:40:58,930
Okay, applicant.

5875
07:40:59,910 --> 07:41:01,530
Please state your name for the record.

5876
07:41:01,530 --> 07:41:05,590
For the record, Dan Delise, I'm a Lange's planner here on behalf of the applicant

5877
07:41:05,590 --> 07:41:07,490
and I do have a ticket to speak.

5878
07:41:10,350 --> 07:41:12,010
The deputy of the BD.

5879
07:41:13,970 --> 07:41:15,590
I haven't even watched in the drill.

5880
07:41:16,130 --> 07:41:16,790
I have been.

5881
07:41:17,130 --> 07:41:19,070
So what if he comes up and got it?

5882
07:41:19,270 --> 07:41:21,430
Yeah, I missed that part.

5883
07:41:21,610 --> 07:41:23,530
Didn't have this, but he left in heads.

5884
07:41:23,690 --> 07:41:24,930
Yeah, he had somebody making up.

5885
07:41:26,170 --> 07:41:27,370
That's a hurry to get me a handout.

5886
07:41:28,370 --> 07:41:32,710
And what that is, is that's a letter from the Burnstore Coalition of Support.

5887
07:41:33,110 --> 07:41:35,710
So I'm going to make this really simple.

5888
07:41:36,810 --> 07:41:39,870
As I commissioned from a constant pointed out,

5889
07:41:41,030 --> 07:41:44,870
The subject property is already entitled for 999 units.

5890
07:41:45,250 --> 07:41:48,270
It's also entitled for commercial in that CG area.

5891
07:41:48,670 --> 07:41:52,630
If you look at that CG area, the lot depth isn't a lot.

5892
07:41:52,870 --> 07:41:55,350
So essentially we're combining the two.

5893
07:41:55,550 --> 07:41:57,170
One consolidated zoning district.

5894
07:41:57,250 --> 07:42:01,910
We're deepening the commercial to make it a more viable commercial use.

5895
07:42:03,350 --> 07:42:07,350
So like a shopping center, type use, that's the depth you would need.

5896
07:42:07,350 --> 07:42:11,310
We're really excited about what's likely to come to this site.

5897
07:42:11,830 --> 07:42:14,950
Can't say anything now, but we're really excited about it.

5898
07:42:15,130 --> 07:42:17,670
It's something that will provide a lot of services to the neighborhood.

5899
07:42:18,730 --> 07:42:21,010
And we've worked really well with the Burnstore Coalition.

5900
07:42:22,190 --> 07:42:24,090
They are here to speak on their behalf.

5901
07:42:25,130 --> 07:42:27,110
And so I won't go any further on that.

5902
07:42:30,010 --> 07:42:33,070
Just point out one aspect of the Burnstore plan.

5903
07:42:33,070 --> 07:42:38,970
Those greenway corridors that you see, those were originally drawn because we had a point A and a point B.

5904
07:42:39,210 --> 07:42:41,610
The point A was the state-owned lands to our east.

5905
07:42:41,910 --> 07:42:46,510
The point B was what was then the turn bay DRI heritage landings.

5906
07:42:46,710 --> 07:42:54,430
And so the idea was just to connect them up from the state-owned lands to what was going through the then turn bay DRI.

5907
07:42:54,590 --> 07:42:56,870
We're accommodating all of that through this plan.

5908
07:42:57,630 --> 07:43:01,050
And if you have any questions, we have a full team here.

5909
07:43:01,050 --> 07:43:07,790
I know it's getting late in the evening, but we're all here to answer any questions if you need any questions for the applicant.

5910
07:43:08,290 --> 07:43:09,310
Okay, thank you, sir.

5911
07:43:10,210 --> 07:43:11,990
We're going to open this up to the public for public input.

5912
07:43:12,110 --> 07:43:14,610
Anybody wishing you to speak on this item, please come forward.

5913
07:43:14,730 --> 07:43:15,650
State your name for the record.

5914
07:43:15,790 --> 07:43:16,690
You'll have five minutes.

5915
07:43:19,310 --> 07:43:20,250
Here I am again.

5916
07:43:20,590 --> 07:43:22,690
And this time I do not have a handout.

5917
07:43:23,290 --> 07:43:24,990
So I'm going to be allowed to speak.

5918
07:43:25,210 --> 07:43:26,590
I have a really big question.

5919
07:43:26,590 --> 07:43:27,570
I have a button right here.

5920
07:43:27,650 --> 07:43:28,770
I can cut your mic off.

5921
07:43:30,450 --> 07:43:31,250
You're recognized.

5922
07:43:31,250 --> 07:43:41,670
I actually had sent out something because we had a special meeting of the coalition yesterday morning via Zoom and there were some questions.

5923
07:43:42,670 --> 07:43:50,070
Now, first of all, I want to say the letters that you have in front of you, which I believe is dated March the 26th, still stands.

5924
07:43:50,510 --> 07:43:54,370
We are absolutely 100% behind this development.

5925
07:43:54,370 --> 07:44:03,130
However, when we went back over and re-read some of the items in it, we had some questions,

5926
07:44:03,910 --> 07:44:08,810
which were reflected in the email that I sent out earlier.

5927
07:44:09,390 --> 07:44:15,330
However, Jay has done an extremely good job in answering all of those questions, so thank

5928
07:44:15,330 --> 07:44:15,910
you Jay.

5929
07:44:17,270 --> 07:44:22,530
The only thing that she didn't mention, or I didn't hear it, is the fact that as part

5930
07:44:22,530 --> 07:44:30,610
believe the PD agreement is that signalization will be put in at the intersection of heritage

5931
07:44:30,610 --> 07:44:41,590
landing and where the commercial development is for Sage Point once the occupancy permitting

5932
07:44:41,590 --> 07:44:47,550
has reached 300. Yes, 300 residential eye any commercial. And the other thing I understand

5933
07:44:47,550 --> 07:44:55,990
is that there are efforts being made in behalf on the part of both Sage Point and Firelight

5934
07:44:55,990 --> 07:44:59,830
North to do some internal interconnectivity.

5935
07:45:00,180 --> 07:45:07,360
So that it will reduce the number of travelers on the road trying to reach the commercial development.

5936
07:45:08,180 --> 07:45:10,220
And that was part of the crisis.

5937
07:45:10,640 --> 07:45:14,820
So I did not specifically address that to Transportation Conditioning K and L.

5938
07:45:14,940 --> 07:45:17,720
That can mention the maximum access you can see on the screen.

5939
07:45:17,980 --> 07:45:23,080
The show five access point on Burnstone Road, but actually the maximum is four.

5940
07:45:23,080 --> 07:45:31,860
So if they can work with Sage, not Sage, or work with Firelight Knors, so they will remove

5941
07:45:31,860 --> 07:45:37,020
their one axis, their axis to burn store route to the most northern axis.

5942
07:45:37,520 --> 07:45:42,320
And then they will use this axis and this axis will be removed.

5943
07:45:42,600 --> 07:45:49,000
But if they could not work with the Firelight Knors, so then they will still only have

5944
07:45:49,000 --> 07:45:54,400
access, the maximum of the full. So the only scene is depending on the location of the

5945
07:45:54,400 --> 07:46:01,280
access. Thank you. So anyhow, what I'd like to end up with saying is that the need for meaningful

5946
07:46:01,280 --> 07:46:10,200
commercial development, including a regional grocery store to serve the rapidly growing population.

5947
07:46:10,680 --> 07:46:17,840
At the southern end of Burnstour Road in Charlotte County, remains a primary concern for the coalition,

5948
07:46:17,840 --> 07:46:22,300
and we will continue to support any efforts from that end.

5949
07:46:23,220 --> 07:46:28,960
We do hope that the developers, the Sage Point, continue to involve the coalition.

5950
07:46:29,520 --> 07:46:31,920
They have really been delightful to work with.

5951
07:46:32,060 --> 07:46:32,920
Thank you very much.

5952
07:46:33,120 --> 07:46:33,760
Thank you, your comments.

5953
07:46:34,240 --> 07:46:36,900
Anybody else from the public, which in speak on this item, please come forward to

5954
07:46:36,900 --> 07:46:37,520
stage your name for the record.

5955
07:46:37,620 --> 07:46:38,380
You'll have five minutes.

5956
07:46:49,980 --> 07:46:50,460
Good afternoon.

5957
07:46:51,460 --> 07:46:53,400
I see some of us.

5958
07:46:54,180 --> 07:46:57,820
We have the property directly that smacks center of the...

5959
07:46:57,820 --> 07:47:04,920
If you go to 46, can you speak into the mic a little bit closer and repeat your name again?

5960
07:47:05,020 --> 07:47:08,700
The Nasi Samarass, Samarass, Tomasi Samarass.

5961
07:47:10,420 --> 07:47:12,280
You can bring the microphone up a little bit.

5962
07:47:12,360 --> 07:47:12,840
There you go.

5963
07:47:13,380 --> 07:47:22,100
So we have the property adjacent on the north side there in the middle to the subject property.

5964
07:47:22,100 --> 07:47:30,840
And we currently have an open boundary dispute with the applicant as to where the 1267 feet,

5965
07:47:31,260 --> 07:47:36,820
where the northern driveway is going in.

5966
07:47:37,020 --> 07:47:38,300
That's currently our driveway.

5967
07:47:40,040 --> 07:47:43,420
And I think it may impact the development.

5968
07:47:43,680 --> 07:47:44,380
I'm not sure.

5969
07:47:44,720 --> 07:47:49,660
During the process, there have been multiple surveys done.

5970
07:47:49,660 --> 07:47:53,320
and they keep getting farther and farther north into our property.

5971
07:47:54,440 --> 07:47:58,080
So now I think it's within 15 plus or minus feet

5972
07:47:58,080 --> 07:48:03,240
where the applicant claims that the driveway belongs to them.

5973
07:48:05,000 --> 07:48:07,140
The very first survey that was done,

5974
07:48:08,020 --> 07:48:09,600
I went and spoke to the gentleman,

5975
07:48:10,480 --> 07:48:13,420
and he clearly found the pin that was there.

5976
07:48:13,520 --> 07:48:15,720
The original pin, which shows that our property,

5977
07:48:15,720 --> 07:48:18,380
that the drivers within our property,

5978
07:48:20,760 --> 07:48:23,580
the applicant sent us a letter that the property belongs

5979
07:48:23,580 --> 07:48:29,380
to them, they're going to put a wall read down to read down the driveway and we don't have access

5980
07:48:29,380 --> 07:48:30,640
to our property or house.

5981
07:48:33,080 --> 07:48:38,820
And if that's a fact, when the county purchased the land to expand

5982
07:48:38,820 --> 07:48:46,600
Bernstor Road, that means that they bought property from us that belonged to them and they paid their own person.

5983
07:48:47,960 --> 07:48:57,140
The county did a survey when they purchased a land to expand Bernstor Road, so it doesn't make sense that the boundary doesn't match up.

5984
07:48:57,600 --> 07:49:04,380
After speaking to four different surveyors, and the applicant actually, they also had the same thing.

5985
07:49:04,380 --> 07:49:11,340
service on your professional opinion at the end of the day the judge will decide what their

5986
07:49:11,340 --> 07:49:14,760
boundary should be.

5987
07:49:17,130 --> 07:49:21,350
Either way we feel we shouldn't have to face a costly litigation

5988
07:49:21,350 --> 07:49:23,570
for a driver that has been there for decades.

5989
07:49:27,620 --> 07:49:29,920
And basically put the applicant himself

5990
07:49:29,920 --> 07:49:34,480
that he has deep pockets with it's not going to get us anywhere. We ask you to delay making

5991
07:49:34,480 --> 07:49:40,420
in the decision until we can come to a conclusion in agreement on how we can access our house

5992
07:49:40,420 --> 07:49:41,940
at Bernstow Road,

5993
07:49:44,160 --> 07:49:49,120
right now there are two driveways in front of the property, but they claim

5994
07:49:49,120 --> 07:49:54,700
that both of them are most of one and the other will both belong to them. Thank you.

5995
07:49:54,800 --> 07:49:55,600
Thank you, sir.

5996
07:49:56,360 --> 07:49:59,140
Annabelle, switch and speak on this item. Please come forward, state your name for the record.

5997
07:49:59,240 --> 07:49:59,880
You'll have five minutes.

5998
07:50:00,400 --> 07:50:04,480
Last call, anybody who wishes to speak on this item, please come forward. You'll have five minutes.

5999
07:50:05,440 --> 07:50:07,940
Mr. Chairman, I see no one else rising and moved close public input.

6000
07:50:08,220 --> 07:50:14,300
Second, we're motion, second, to close public input. Is there any further discussion? Is there any opposition to the motion? Public input's closed.

6001
07:50:16,360 --> 07:50:16,800
Okay.

6002
07:50:20,860 --> 07:50:21,540
Commissioner Dorty.

6003
07:50:22,260 --> 07:50:28,480
A question for the county attorney, I guess, relative to apparently there's a boundaries dispute this litigation going on.

6004
07:50:29,140 --> 07:50:32,540
Does that factor at all into anything we have to think about today?

6005
07:50:33,940 --> 07:50:36,680
Commissioner, my opinion would be no.

6006
07:50:38,500 --> 07:50:44,160
The application is based on a professional submittal by a surveyor who is licensed in the state.

6007
07:50:46,300 --> 07:50:48,080
So, surveyors do have disputes.

6008
07:50:48,560 --> 07:50:51,800
So, I think the gentleman is correct that a court would make the final determination.

6009
07:50:52,640 --> 07:50:56,760
And then the PD would have to be modified at some point within our hearing.

6010
07:50:57,320 --> 07:50:59,600
If the boundaries changed.

6011
07:50:59,600 --> 07:51:15,320
So in other words, if there was a, if there was a change to the PD's, you know, boundary lines that impacted the PD plan and would have to go through modification, whether that be minor or major would depend on, you know, what the type was.

6012
07:51:15,480 --> 07:51:16,260
I wanted to get it on the record.

6013
07:51:16,520 --> 07:51:16,920
Yes, sir.

6014
07:51:17,140 --> 07:51:17,400
Yeah.

6015
07:51:17,540 --> 07:51:20,720
Apologize, gentlemen, the applicant has an opportunity to rebut or come forward.

6016
07:51:20,900 --> 07:51:22,060
Do you have anything to say?

6017
07:51:22,260 --> 07:51:22,660
The applicant.

6018
07:51:23,820 --> 07:51:24,340
Good afternoon.

6019
07:51:24,680 --> 07:51:24,760
Okay.

6020
07:51:25,100 --> 07:51:26,800
You know, Montgomery for the record.

6021
07:51:28,980 --> 07:51:30,900
We've had more than one survey done.

6022
07:51:30,960 --> 07:51:34,220
There's also a survey that was done by at, well,

6023
07:51:35,140 --> 07:51:37,740
and the boundary has shown on the, excuse me,

6024
07:51:37,860 --> 07:51:39,280
PDPAN is correct.

6025
07:51:40,620 --> 07:51:43,140
The applicant did try to reach out to the neighbor

6026
07:51:43,140 --> 07:51:45,440
to explain that there was a problem,

6027
07:51:45,720 --> 07:51:47,640
reached out in September of last year,

6028
07:51:47,820 --> 07:51:50,160
reached out in October of last year,

6029
07:51:50,440 --> 07:51:52,780
November of last year, December,

6030
07:51:52,780 --> 07:52:00,160
sent a fed up package with the survey, tried to resolve how if they'd like to work with the applicant

6031
07:52:00,160 --> 07:52:08,560
on the and reached out again in January of this year and they basically said no so we're going to rely on the survey that was submitted

6032
07:52:09,380 --> 07:52:14,940
by out well that's we have one by out well in another but but it's the certified survey so

6033
07:52:16,120 --> 07:52:21,220
it it's down for what it says unless you just some question I can hand it to you

6034
07:52:21,220 --> 07:52:23,800
I know you want another hand, though.

6035
07:52:25,180 --> 07:52:26,960
You said your name was Neil Montgomery?

6036
07:52:27,420 --> 07:52:28,840
Yes, sir.

6037
07:52:29,480 --> 07:52:31,420
Did you buy any chance to write the Boca Grand Parking

6038
07:52:31,420 --> 07:52:32,840
Ordnance for Lee County?

6039
07:52:36,820 --> 07:52:38,480
You don't hear the answer.

6040
07:52:39,040 --> 07:52:41,040
I can read that from your expression.

6041
07:52:41,820 --> 07:52:43,540
No, I did not write it.

6042
07:52:43,680 --> 07:52:44,860
I did provide input.

6043
07:52:46,600 --> 07:52:49,680
I have a bone to pick with you, but not at this time.

6044
07:52:49,680 --> 07:52:52,740
Not at this time, I won't conflate the issues.

6045
07:52:53,080 --> 07:52:54,100
Commissioner Constance, it's your reckoning.

6046
07:52:55,260 --> 07:52:59,120
I have a memory, believe me, like a whale, maybe they say.

6047
07:52:59,440 --> 07:53:00,840
Commissioner Constance, it's your reckoning.

6048
07:53:01,260 --> 07:53:04,240
Mr. Chairman, moving ordinance of the Board of County Commissioners

6049
07:53:04,240 --> 07:53:05,400
from Charlotte County, Florida,

6050
07:53:05,600 --> 07:53:07,360
amending the Charlotte County Zoning Atlas

6051
07:53:07,360 --> 07:53:12,060
from Plan Development PD, 265 plus minus acres

6052
07:53:12,060 --> 07:53:17,600
and general, commercial, general, CG, 12.55 plus minus acres

6053
07:53:17,600 --> 07:53:24,220
to plan development PD in order to have a mixture of residential uses up to 999 residential

6054
07:53:24,220 --> 07:53:30,540
units and commercial uses up to 195,000 square feet. We're acquiring transfer of density units

6055
07:53:30,540 --> 07:53:36,580
for residential development above the base density of 26 units and adopting a general PD concept

6056
07:53:36,580 --> 07:53:41,580
plan for property, including 11 parcels located at 1-429-0.

6057
07:53:42,580 --> 07:53:44,040
1-431-0.

6058
07:53:44,500 --> 07:53:45,120
1-430.

6059
07:53:45,920 --> 07:53:47,480
1-433-0.

6060
07:53:47,980 --> 07:53:50,680
1-433-480.

6061
07:53:51,740 --> 07:53:52,720
1-440.

6062
07:53:53,800 --> 07:53:54,500
1-440.

6063
07:53:54,500 --> 07:53:56,100
1-440.

6064
07:53:57,900 --> 07:53:58,940
1-440.

6065
07:54:00,840 --> 07:54:05,840
And 2-6101-Zemo Road in the Ponegord area within the boundary of the

6066
07:54:05,840 --> 07:54:14,580
storm area plan area containing 277.55 plus or minus acres, Charlie County, Florida, Commission

6067
07:54:14,580 --> 07:54:23,480
District 2, position PD, dash 25, dash 13, applicant, burnt store, road, ret, LEC, providing

6068
07:54:23,480 --> 07:54:24,920
effective date to second.

6069
07:54:26,100 --> 07:54:27,960
We have a motion, it's next to approved the ordinance.

6070
07:54:28,680 --> 07:54:29,540
Is there any further discussion?

6071
07:54:29,900 --> 07:54:33,440
Yeah, I said, yeah, I said I have a pretty like the way all I meant to say all of it.

6072
07:54:33,440 --> 07:54:40,200
I meant to say elephant, not well, but that's what happens when you've been sitting in it since 9 a.m. in the morning.

6073
07:54:42,140 --> 07:54:46,300
So we have a motion in a second to move the ordinance. Is there any further discussion?

6074
07:54:47,180 --> 07:54:50,200
Is there any opposition to the motion? That passage unanimously.

6075
07:54:50,480 --> 07:54:52,640
We'll move on to VB4.

6076
07:54:52,860 --> 07:54:58,880
Application Z-23-35-17 Jackson Fisher LLC-CG Resoning.

6077
07:54:58,880 --> 07:54:59,980
this is quasi-idude.

6078
07:55:00,000 --> 07:55:09,020
withdrawal,orum, miniatur, doggg anything to disclose. Okay, commitments about scenario.

6079
07:55:09,020 --> 07:55:10,480
All right. Cominci gelenings to try and to do statements with chair.

6080
07:55:10,980 --> 07:55:16,720
Had my monthly staff anything with committee development and the Attorney's office in public works and files

6081
07:55:16,720 --> 07:55:21,460
forgotten. I had my meetings with staff! Receive pre Umfalied for my paperwork.

6082
07:55:23,740 --> 07:55:25,660
Mister Shaw, you recognize to present.

6083
07:55:26,800 --> 07:55:27,660
This is again.

6084
07:55:27,660 --> 07:55:33,540
for the record, J. Shell, Committee Development Department, and my planning export

6085
07:55:33,540 --> 07:55:37,460
qualification is attached to staff report as exhibit one.

6086
07:55:38,200 --> 07:55:46,980
The applicant is requesting application Z-23-35-17 and today's hearing is adoption

6087
07:55:46,980 --> 07:55:54,300
hearing. The request to resume is from residential state RE1 to commercial general

6088
07:55:54,300 --> 07:55:59,300
and the subject property located in Commission District 2.

6089
07:56:00,960 --> 07:56:11,680
The notification of public hearing for these application was sent to the property owner and adjacent property owners within 1,000 feet of the subject property.

6090
07:56:12,500 --> 07:56:18,900
This is general location of the subject property which is located in the South County area.

6091
07:56:18,900 --> 07:56:32,540
The subject property located east side of Bernstow Road in the Pondigold area, and within the boundary of Bernstow area plan, it contains approximately 41.31 acres.

6092
07:56:33,620 --> 07:56:39,540
This is 2050 for a more map, the site is designated as part of emerging neighborhood.

6093
07:56:39,540 --> 07:56:40,300
I

6094
07:56:43,210 --> 07:56:48,670
would I provide a brief history count on the screen on September 10th, 2024.

6095
07:56:48,930 --> 07:56:54,730
The board approved the request to small scale amendment to commercial by ordinance number

6096
07:56:54,730 --> 07:57:01,730
2024-028 limiting the prior ratio to 0.35.

6097
07:57:02,150 --> 07:57:08,850
The board also approved the applicant's request to continue the rezoning application to an

6098
07:57:10,490 --> 07:57:19,750
specified date to address outstanding traffic issue with staff. So you can see this is the

6099
07:57:19,750 --> 07:57:25,850
2030 Future Land News map. The site is designated as a commercial. And this is the

6100
07:57:25,850 --> 07:57:32,350
current zoning, the site is zone to residential state one and the proposed zoning is CG.

6101
07:57:32,350 --> 07:57:40,910
The comprehensive plan requires that Sharkandi treat amendment to the Zomi as quasi-judicial

6102
07:57:40,910 --> 07:57:48,190
actions and review all rezoning applications for consistent consistency with the county's

6103
07:57:48,190 --> 07:57:53,730
comprehensive plan, as well as for potential adverse impacts on neighboring properties and

6104
07:57:53,730 --> 07:57:56,850
their owners with whether public or private.

6105
07:57:56,850 --> 07:58:04,310
In addition, the rezoning applications require that traffic impact study address the number

6106
07:58:04,310 --> 07:58:10,630
of vehicle trips that may be generated at full build-out, consistent with approved future

6107
07:58:10,630 --> 07:58:14,070
and use map designation and proposed zoning.

6108
07:58:15,510 --> 07:58:22,850
So I want to show on the screen, this is County's Complain Policy, Specific Transportation

6109
07:58:22,850 --> 07:58:31,330
Parliament policy 1.1, level of service standards shows on the screen. You can see that

6110
07:58:31,330 --> 07:58:37,870
requires that the county shall maintain minimum level of service standards on the system

6111
07:58:37,870 --> 07:58:41,470
set forth in the table. You can see a lattice cell.

6112
07:58:41,610 --> 07:58:46,510
Generally speaking, the Bernstow Road is the adopted level of service SD.

6113
07:58:49,640 --> 07:58:52,480
So this is the policy

6114
07:58:52,480 --> 07:59:02,880
transportation policy 1.1.2 alarm orders, so which requires that the county shall deny any

6115
07:59:02,880 --> 07:59:07,580
alarm order, which the alarm order they have, they still have definition, what considered

6116
07:59:07,580 --> 07:59:15,760
the alarm order. So the reason only is one type of alarm orders, that will reduce any road within

6117
07:59:15,760 --> 07:59:22,460
the county below the level of services standards established in transportation policy 1.1.1,

6118
07:59:23,300 --> 07:59:26,960
except where the department is vested on the law

6119
07:59:26,960 --> 07:59:30,760
or provides adequate mitigation pursuant to stay

6120
07:59:30,760 --> 07:59:31,940
of county regulations.

6121
07:59:34,870 --> 07:59:39,750
So according to submitted revised traffic impact analysis.

6122
07:59:40,530 --> 07:59:44,510
So if future commercial department on the site is limited

6123
07:59:44,510 --> 07:59:48,430
to less than 300,000, one square feet.

6124
07:59:48,930 --> 07:59:52,330
No additional level of service deficiency anticipated

6125
07:59:52,330 --> 07:59:58,090
and search department would generally be consistent with the county's comprehensive plan.

6126
08:00:00,000 --> 08:00:18,320
If future commercial government on the site ranges between 300,000 and 629,800, 12.26 square feet, the existing county roadway network cannot support the proposed CG Resonement.

6127
08:00:19,700 --> 08:00:25,760
So, it requires the reasoning to the conventional CG in zoning district that is not required

6128
08:00:25,760 --> 08:00:32,360
a demand proposal, same plan, or concept plan as part of the application, which means

6129
08:00:32,360 --> 08:00:39,760
the specific uses and amount of development that could occur under the request CG zoning

6130
08:00:39,760 --> 08:00:41,760
unknown at this time.

6131
08:00:42,420 --> 08:00:47,540
So that concludes my presentation, I'd be more happy to answer any questions, you may have.

6132
08:00:47,700 --> 08:00:48,080
Thank you.

6133
08:00:48,080 --> 08:00:52,480
thank you any questions for staff. Okay we'll go right to the applicant who's been standing

6134
08:00:52,480 --> 08:00:55,640
by for the last five minutes. Mr. Green, you're recognized.

6135
08:00:55,760 --> 08:01:00,020
A few more hours than that sir. So we're standing at the podium for myself.

6136
08:01:00,400 --> 08:01:01,820
No, no problem. I just want to be ready to go.

6137
08:01:02,340 --> 08:01:10,160
In the two ways your hand out. I've already done that. In respect to your time, I would like to have

6138
08:01:10,160 --> 08:01:14,400
a shortened presentation what I was going to do. What I would respectfully request is you

6139
08:01:14,400 --> 08:01:17,860
for me opportunity, whether or not just through responding,

6140
08:01:18,520 --> 08:01:21,040
but also to introduce additional evidence and documentation

6141
08:01:21,040 --> 08:01:22,860
that I'm going to cut out of here for the beginning.

6142
08:01:23,440 --> 08:01:25,440
I would just like to reserve that for later if needed.

6143
08:01:25,800 --> 08:01:28,260
Just to kind of speed this up and see where we go.

6144
08:01:29,160 --> 08:01:30,700
If that's okay with you.

6145
08:01:31,520 --> 08:01:33,980
So good evening, I started here earlier this afternoon.

6146
08:01:34,640 --> 08:01:36,700
As said, my name is Jason Green, I'm a Planning Director for Access

6147
08:01:36,700 --> 08:01:39,740
Infrastructure, I've been a planner and Florida for 23 years.

6148
08:01:40,480 --> 08:01:43,000
I do have significant experience in both public and private sector.

6149
08:01:43,000 --> 08:01:47,960
I'd direct a team of planners and provide expert to use an advice to multiple Florida communities including

6150
08:01:47,960 --> 08:01:53,400
comprehensive plans, land development codes, site development reviews, and all the bells and whistles that you guys provide.

6151
08:01:54,020 --> 08:01:58,760
I have been recognized in expert witness here in another communities before you, so stop there.

6152
08:01:59,580 --> 08:02:02,200
I do have about 17 handouts to hand, I'm just kidding, I'm just going.

6153
08:02:02,480 --> 08:02:04,540
We don't have any handouts, if that's okay, we'll continue.

6154
08:02:05,280 --> 08:02:11,600
First thing I want to address is we would like to request that all of the previous public

6155
08:02:11,600 --> 08:02:16,840
testimony and presentations and documentation from the previous hearings from both the planning

6156
08:02:16,840 --> 08:02:21,940
commission and the previous county commission meeting be brought forward and connected

6157
08:02:21,940 --> 08:02:28,240
to this to this review. It was a staff representative that was a continuation of that hearing.

6158
08:02:29,300 --> 08:02:32,420
And so those documents and those items are relevant to this request.

6159
08:02:35,100 --> 08:02:38,800
So point of information, I guess, you've been here since 2 o'clock?

6160
08:02:39,040 --> 08:02:39,360
Yes sir.

6161
08:02:39,360 --> 08:02:39,900
I'm so sorry.

6162
08:02:40,360 --> 08:02:40,800
152.

6163
08:02:41,020 --> 08:02:42,080
Well, at least I know you're sworn in.

6164
08:02:42,240 --> 08:02:42,420
That's good.

6165
08:02:42,540 --> 08:02:42,880
Yes sir.

6166
08:02:44,100 --> 08:02:47,500
But if that's the request, that's not attached.

6167
08:02:48,060 --> 08:02:50,900
So I don't know how I get it.

6168
08:02:52,040 --> 08:02:52,060
Okay.

6169
08:02:53,320 --> 08:02:53,460
Yeah.

6170
08:02:54,500 --> 08:02:55,840
Tom David County Attorney.

6171
08:02:56,860 --> 08:02:58,240
We did not get that request.

6172
08:02:59,120 --> 08:03:00,600
And I don't know.

6173
08:03:01,280 --> 08:03:09,620
I don't think Jay's use of the word continuation was a procedural continuation because we did not continue that hearing.

6174
08:03:10,000 --> 08:03:12,920
There was no board action continuing that hearing that I remember.

6175
08:03:13,140 --> 08:03:17,260
There was sir, and that was to a date uncertain for unspecified for a later date.

6176
08:03:17,560 --> 08:03:22,120
We will have to work with the clerk.

6177
08:03:22,240 --> 08:03:23,420
That's why I have to try to do that.

6178
08:03:23,440 --> 08:03:29,060
And you're going to have to help us with that because we are this record will not be complete tonight.

6179
08:03:29,060 --> 08:03:33,180
It's going to have to be completed to because we don't have those documents with us right now.

6180
08:03:33,620 --> 08:03:35,380
Essentially, you have testimony for own residents.

6181
08:03:35,700 --> 08:03:37,080
You have presentations by the staff.

6182
08:03:37,260 --> 08:03:39,220
The testimony though is not in any format.

6183
08:03:39,500 --> 08:03:41,100
It's going to just be the video.

6184
08:03:41,500 --> 08:03:43,300
There's no transcript, right?

6185
08:03:43,660 --> 08:03:44,500
You're meeting minutes.

6186
08:03:44,560 --> 08:03:45,540
I don't know when else you haven't eaten.

6187
08:03:46,160 --> 08:03:47,940
You're limiting it to the meeting minutes.

6188
08:03:48,100 --> 08:03:51,280
And what's a normal on the website that we can certainly reference that.

6189
08:03:51,440 --> 08:03:51,620
Okay.

6190
08:03:51,780 --> 08:03:53,400
And the record and I'll work with the clerk.

6191
08:03:53,440 --> 08:03:54,020
I appreciate that.

6192
08:03:54,380 --> 08:03:54,460
Okay.

6193
08:03:54,700 --> 08:03:56,480
So let me go back to again point of information.

6194
08:03:56,480 --> 08:04:02,780
on that point is, if you read our minutes, all it says is that somebody spoke about something.

6195
08:04:02,960 --> 08:04:07,740
There's no opinions, there's no information, there's no data, so those minutes are very thin.

6196
08:04:07,880 --> 08:04:12,180
I just want you to understand. It's understood four paragraphs for however many people came

6197
08:04:12,180 --> 08:04:18,080
up and spoke. It may list names and what they spoke about, but not which way they spoke.

6198
08:04:18,680 --> 08:04:24,280
It's very, it's thin. Yep. Okay. We have audio recordings. We have video. There's other things.

6199
08:04:24,280 --> 08:04:28,960
if necessary that can be drawn on. I just wanted to make that point that your previous meeting

6200
08:04:28,960 --> 08:04:33,620
was a joint of the future land use map and rezoning. So it kind of muddies the record a

6201
08:04:33,620 --> 08:04:37,840
little bit. So I'm forced to kind of have that record drawn forward to today and be part of

6202
08:04:38,680 --> 08:04:45,220
this moving forward. So thank you for that. I appreciate that. I'll skip the next request and we

6203
08:04:45,220 --> 08:04:51,540
won't do that in a similar. I wanted to jump in and discuss the staff report. We obviously

6204
08:04:51,540 --> 08:04:56,580
we disagree with the assessment from the staff and Jay has touched on some things that are in the comprehensive plan.

6205
08:04:58,700 --> 08:04:59,980
What's being presented to you?

6206
08:05:00,000 --> 08:05:11,920
It's simply a rezoning to one of your identified commercial districts within your land development code that is an implementing zoning district within a commercial category, which you had proved last year.

6207
08:05:12,500 --> 08:05:23,440
Everything that you've heard from staff and was presented by our team, including the traffic impact analysis, includes the restricted FAR that you adopted as part of that future land use map amendment.

6208
08:05:25,600 --> 08:05:30,100
There's some language, I want to thank staff for meeting with us first because during this

6209
08:05:30,100 --> 08:05:34,080
when the staff report came out a little bit, we set down with them and discuss the word

6210
08:05:34,080 --> 08:05:34,700
concurrency.

6211
08:05:35,200 --> 08:05:38,180
And that term was very prevalent in previous staff reports.

6212
08:05:38,640 --> 08:05:42,520
And that is not what we are asking for, we're not asking for certification of that, we're

6213
08:05:42,520 --> 08:05:44,260
not asking for verification of concurrency.

6214
08:05:44,740 --> 08:05:50,380
That concurrency is what comes of a later date and in court court and your code comes with

6215
08:05:50,380 --> 08:05:55,660
construction, it's a final site development approval, and building permits.

6216
08:05:56,580 --> 08:06:02,500
And that is pursuing it with your section 3-5-335 subsection 3 of your land development code.

6217
08:06:03,500 --> 08:06:10,880
So unfortunately, staff has relied on this term development order to essentially apply a concurrency standard.

6218
08:06:11,980 --> 08:06:16,480
And in our opinion, based on stay statute, based on your copy and supplant in your land development codes,

6219
08:06:16,480 --> 08:06:21,080
that is not what applies in this case with a rezoning.

6220
08:06:22,140 --> 08:06:28,980
Yes, the traffic impact analysis, identified deficiencies based on the maximum

6221
08:06:28,980 --> 08:06:33,260
square footage in the maximum type of use, it also recognized that there is

6222
08:06:33,260 --> 08:06:38,060
improvements that can be done to get rid of that deficiency and that's what

6223
08:06:38,060 --> 08:06:42,920
we're required to do. That is the standard. Previously, I mentioned about the

6224
08:06:42,920 --> 08:06:46,260
staff report on the other application last year. If you remember that

6225
08:06:46,260 --> 08:06:51,440
discussion was about whether the traffic study was up to staff's standards or not, that

6226
08:06:51,440 --> 08:06:52,740
is a methodology issue.

6227
08:06:53,040 --> 08:06:56,500
It was never a concurrency issue that was ever brought up, and even today that issue

6228
08:06:56,500 --> 08:06:58,960
has never come up until this discussion.

6229
08:06:59,820 --> 08:07:03,200
So I would appreciate it if staff, whether it's Robby or Robber or somebody could also

6230
08:07:03,200 --> 08:07:08,680
on the record agree and state that we have submitted the staff report that are actually

6231
08:07:08,680 --> 08:07:13,660
being a traffic impact analysis that has been found by staff to be consistent with their methodology

6232
08:07:13,660 --> 08:07:14,500
and accepted.

6233
08:07:14,500 --> 08:07:17,740
And that's an important distinction between that and this concurrency

6234
08:07:17,740 --> 08:07:20,660
disruption that we're talking about.

6235
08:07:22,880 --> 08:07:26,420
Next, I just want to talk about some things that you talked about this morning, frankly.

6236
08:07:26,920 --> 08:07:30,960
This spurred store area you've been hearing for years about a need for commercial.

6237
08:07:31,840 --> 08:07:36,660
You've just approved before our application, you just approved additional commercial to kind

6238
08:07:36,660 --> 08:07:37,560
of fulfill that need.

6239
08:07:37,820 --> 08:07:41,540
This morning, you talked about Metro forecasting in the future demands.

6240
08:07:41,900 --> 08:07:45,960
And essentially what that said is your future land use map and your plan for growth

6241
08:07:45,960 --> 08:07:50,940
right now do not meet your demands and that is a statutory obligation that you're required to

6242
08:07:50,940 --> 08:07:54,920
provide and I heard great things out of you this morning talking about we need to move forward

6243
08:07:55,500 --> 08:07:59,420
Commissioner to say I think you made that point too we need to use our future land use map

6244
08:07:59,420 --> 08:08:04,320
guide development figure out where these things are going to go you've done that we're here today to

6245
08:08:04,320 --> 08:08:08,340
clean up the zoning side of it and make sure that the zoning that's within that commercial

6246
08:08:08,340 --> 08:08:12,900
category is consistent with your future with your comprehensive planning future land use right now

6247
08:08:12,900 --> 08:08:14,320
are you on, it's not consistent.

6248
08:08:18,320 --> 08:08:21,340
Just a point of the 300,000 square feet, and Jason, all this

6249
08:08:21,340 --> 08:08:24,360
series are traffic expert and a land use plan are also, and you can

6250
08:08:24,360 --> 08:08:27,320
talk about this a little more detail, but we don't know where that

6251
08:08:27,320 --> 08:08:29,680
300,000 square feet conversation came from.

6252
08:08:29,800 --> 08:08:32,500
That's not what the traffic impact analysis says is that at this

6253
08:08:32,500 --> 08:08:33,820
number, then that.

6254
08:08:34,680 --> 08:08:38,540
So I'm not sure where staff got that in reading the impact assessment.

6255
08:08:39,600 --> 08:08:42,360
There is a point at some point in every traffic study where

6256
08:08:42,360 --> 08:08:48,220
If it triggers a level of service issue, and you back off the square footage, sure, it could

6257
08:08:48,220 --> 08:08:50,100
get everything under the threshold.

6258
08:08:50,520 --> 08:08:54,020
But that's what your concurrency is for at the end of the process as we're building out.

6259
08:08:54,100 --> 08:08:57,580
This is to phrase the flag and say, is there a potentially an issue in the future?

6260
08:08:58,160 --> 08:09:03,400
Is there something that we can look at and monitor, or how do we go about and identify ways

6261
08:09:03,400 --> 08:09:06,420
to make the improvements that you meet your level of service?

6262
08:09:06,900 --> 08:09:10,600
That can be done through developer contributions and construction.

6263
08:09:10,600 --> 08:09:15,560
that can be done through developer agreements, that can be done through your capital improvement plan.

6264
08:09:15,820 --> 08:09:20,500
There's many ways under state law and under your plan that those things can be satisfied at the time of development.

6265
08:09:23,440 --> 08:09:26,320
And I'm desperately trying not to put on my reading glasses, so there we go.

6266
08:09:29,020 --> 08:09:32,060
So Jason's going to provide some commentary on that in just a few minutes.

6267
08:09:33,600 --> 08:09:40,540
What I really want to get to now at this point is in the staff report, it's a little bit buried in there, but it's on stage 13.

6268
08:09:40,540 --> 08:09:46,660
begins the section that talks about the criteria for evaluating a reason. I believe

6269
08:09:46,660 --> 08:09:52,340
it's section five in the part five, excuse me, for approval criteria. These five

6270
08:09:52,340 --> 08:09:57,100
items are what you as a commission or previous commissions have adopted in your

6271
08:09:57,100 --> 08:09:59,960
and development code as criteria for which to do that.

6272
08:10:00,000 --> 08:10:06,160
We evaluate the rezoning application, just these five items. And it's really important that when you're

6273
08:10:06,160 --> 08:10:11,080
doing a findings, because the staff report calls them findings that were making findings, whether

6274
08:10:11,080 --> 08:10:16,380
it's inconsistent or not consistent, or is consistent, or what section of code are we talking

6275
08:10:16,380 --> 08:10:20,040
about? And unfortunately I would say that this section of the staff report does not do that,

6276
08:10:20,060 --> 08:10:24,600
and does not address that. So I'd like to address those things as a professional plan has been

6277
08:10:24,600 --> 08:10:29,400
writing these things for 23 years, address our review in our opinion of these findings.

6278
08:10:30,620 --> 08:10:36,040
So number 21, section 21, part 5 in the staff report, it's A through D, and it starts

6279
08:10:36,040 --> 08:10:37,820
on 13 and 14, there's A.

6280
08:10:38,480 --> 08:10:41,020
Would the proposed changes be consistent with the comprehensive plan?

6281
08:10:41,600 --> 08:10:47,160
Well, one, you've changed the future land use map to commercial to implement future commercial

6282
08:10:47,160 --> 08:10:47,480
zoning.

6283
08:10:48,240 --> 08:10:53,060
So the answer to that is yes, and a reasonable general is an implementing zoning district for

6284
08:10:53,060 --> 08:10:54,520
the commercial future land use category.

6285
08:10:55,580 --> 08:10:58,240
The commercial future land use category is primarily made up

6286
08:10:58,240 --> 08:11:00,760
of commercial general zoning throughout this county.

6287
08:11:01,840 --> 08:11:04,520
In addition, consistent with, as I mentioned,

6288
08:11:04,640 --> 08:11:05,860
Mr. Cohen mentioned this earlier,

6289
08:11:05,880 --> 08:11:08,640
Mr. Cohen and made testimony a couple of years ago

6290
08:11:08,640 --> 08:11:10,520
on a project that I'm standing here listening to,

6291
08:11:10,740 --> 08:11:12,960
that when you have something like an R E zoning

6292
08:11:12,960 --> 08:11:15,120
and another future land use category such as

6293
08:11:15,120 --> 08:11:17,960
commercial industrial, those are no longer consistent.

6294
08:11:18,680 --> 08:11:21,000
You have to change that R E one to be consistent

6295
08:11:21,000 --> 08:11:23,380
with the future land use map.

6296
08:11:25,600 --> 08:11:28,180
Be, the existing land use pattern in the adjacent areas.

6297
08:11:28,400 --> 08:11:29,580
That's a criteria to evaluate.

6298
08:11:30,400 --> 08:11:31,960
As I mentioned, the BFCC is approved

6299
08:11:31,960 --> 08:11:34,120
with the future commercial future land use category.

6300
08:11:34,280 --> 08:11:37,120
In 2024, this change along with the request

6301
08:11:37,120 --> 08:11:38,920
to rezone commercial general is consistent

6302
08:11:38,920 --> 08:11:41,680
with a pattern to development along the Burnstork corridor.

6303
08:11:42,440 --> 08:11:44,000
There are related uses and zoning districts

6304
08:11:44,000 --> 08:11:46,820
in the north of the subject site.

6305
08:11:46,980 --> 08:11:48,940
The site is also in a general location

6306
08:11:48,940 --> 08:11:54,620
identified by Metro Forecasting as needed for a future commercial center and that report that

6307
08:11:54,620 --> 08:11:59,360
you talked about and looked at today and includes larger tracks as being a need.

6308
08:11:59,560 --> 08:12:01,660
You have small plated lots everywhere in the county.

6309
08:12:02,200 --> 08:12:07,120
It's difficult to consolidate and create larger commercial tracks.

6310
08:12:07,640 --> 08:12:12,300
I think actually some of your discussion was about Westport and some other places that years

6311
08:12:12,300 --> 08:12:16,260
that you've gone through to try to make sure that these properties get consolidated and developed

6312
08:12:16,260 --> 08:12:18,400
in a more reasonable manner.

6313
08:12:19,240 --> 08:12:19,960
We have that.

6314
08:12:19,980 --> 08:12:22,700
This property, obviously, is sitting right in the middle of birch store.

6315
08:12:23,260 --> 08:12:24,420
Road in birch store area.

6316
08:12:24,980 --> 08:12:26,880
It's 41 acres and can be developed.

6317
08:12:27,320 --> 08:12:27,660
It's the width.

6318
08:12:27,780 --> 08:12:28,140
The length.

6319
08:12:28,600 --> 08:12:30,300
Everything needs what you would want for a commercial project.

6320
08:12:32,660 --> 08:12:37,700
See, the capacity of public facilities and services, including the limited schools, roads, recreation

6321
08:12:37,700 --> 08:12:40,760
facilities, water treatment, water supply and storm water drainage.

6322
08:12:41,400 --> 08:12:42,860
You evaluate the capacity.

6323
08:12:43,440 --> 08:12:44,160
We've done that.

6324
08:12:44,200 --> 08:12:45,940
It's been accepted by your staff.

6325
08:12:45,940 --> 08:12:52,120
as being the methodology correct, it does identify that at max buildout that there's triggers

6326
08:12:53,040 --> 08:12:58,360
some level of service issues. It also recognizes that with improvements, it would fix that

6327
08:12:58,360 --> 08:13:02,600
level of service issue and it would be compliant with the levels of service. Those are things

6328
08:13:02,600 --> 08:13:06,760
that get detailed during the site development plan. How and when you make those improvements whether

6329
08:13:06,760 --> 08:13:12,880
it's widening, intersection improvements, traffic lights, whatever it may be. Those are the things

6330
08:13:12,880 --> 08:13:19,200
they get down there. D, would the proposed change adversely influence living conditions on property

6331
08:13:19,200 --> 08:13:23,740
values in adjacent areas? Unfortunately, this is a section that the staff report seems to

6332
08:13:23,740 --> 08:13:28,560
focus on the number of uses, allowed by the commercial general zoning district. The commentary

6333
08:13:28,560 --> 08:13:33,820
in the staff is some of the uses can generate significant traffic volumes. That count is irrelevant

6334
08:13:33,820 --> 08:13:39,600
to this question. The traffic has already been discussed and asked. This section is about

6335
08:13:39,600 --> 08:13:43,480
with the proposed change of zoning and uses adversely influence.

6336
08:13:44,220 --> 08:13:46,700
You just approve, and actually, I actually focus

6337
08:13:46,700 --> 08:13:49,000
on the number of uses that are within your zoning district.

6338
08:13:49,580 --> 08:13:50,980
There's a couple places in the staff report

6339
08:13:50,980 --> 08:13:52,920
where it talks about 43 uses allowed.

6340
08:13:54,040 --> 08:13:57,820
You adjust the data PD that allowed the same 43 uses

6341
08:13:58,580 --> 08:14:00,360
in what was the commercial general area,

6342
08:14:00,440 --> 08:14:01,800
and in their area.

6343
08:14:02,700 --> 08:14:03,340
That's not detrimental.

6344
08:14:03,500 --> 08:14:05,020
There's nothing in that commercial general

6345
08:14:05,020 --> 08:14:07,400
that is life-threatening, life-altering,

6346
08:14:07,400 --> 08:14:10,740
where we'd cause any influence conditions to people.

6347
08:14:11,480 --> 08:14:14,880
In addition, there's no residential developments around this site.

6348
08:14:15,520 --> 08:14:19,060
It's protected from them with a four-lane road across the street

6349
08:14:19,060 --> 08:14:20,520
and near some other commercial uses.

6350
08:14:21,740 --> 08:14:23,920
CG itself does not create a traffic issue.

6351
08:14:24,000 --> 08:14:27,420
Obviously, the development of zoning districts creates traffic impacts

6352
08:14:27,420 --> 08:14:29,640
and we're already saying that we're fully aware of that

6353
08:14:29,640 --> 08:14:30,500
and we'll address those.

6354
08:14:31,860 --> 08:14:33,860
And then would the proposed change affect public safety?

6355
08:14:34,780 --> 08:14:37,540
Conversely, zoning itself does an effect public safety.

6356
08:14:38,180 --> 08:14:43,360
I think that it's been recognized that residential has more demand on the public safety services.

6357
08:14:43,760 --> 08:14:52,040
Commercial has less generally, it also creates greater taxable values to support those public safety services.

6358
08:14:52,800 --> 08:14:57,180
So my response and professional opinion is that it does not create a situation for your public safety.

6359
08:14:58,880 --> 08:14:59,840
Jason, do you want to talk about that?

6360
08:15:00,000 --> 08:15:07,100
Traffic a little bit. So I'm going to turn over Jason, not only to just address briefly the traffic impact assessment, and maybe some of the comments from staff.

6361
08:15:09,180 --> 08:15:15,940
Thank you, Jason, at the principal planning analytics. I did the traffic analysis for the project.

6362
08:15:16,860 --> 08:15:19,920
Jason's covered a lot of information, a lot of good information here.

6363
08:15:21,160 --> 08:15:30,360
I think the main thing that we want to consider at tonight's hearing is this is just a high level analysis when you're doing the reasoning.

6364
08:15:30,360 --> 08:15:33,020
You could have a variety of uses that will go in there.

6365
08:15:33,400 --> 08:15:41,040
We do not have, at this time, any site plan that is planned for the project location.

6366
08:15:41,920 --> 08:15:46,900
So really what we're looking at is, is the proposed zoning district consistent with the

6367
08:15:46,900 --> 08:15:48,540
adopted future land use map?

6368
08:15:49,160 --> 08:15:50,200
And yes, it is.

6369
08:15:50,200 --> 08:15:53,060
Is the property located within the urban service area?

6370
08:15:53,580 --> 08:15:54,500
Of course it is.

6371
08:15:54,760 --> 08:15:59,220
Whether public facilities are provided to the site, water, sewer, roadways.

6372
08:15:59,220 --> 08:16:06,860
there. In fact, Burt Store Road, this is, you know, one of the things that's surprising

6373
08:16:06,860 --> 08:16:12,720
that we had reached a little bit of opposition on the CG zoning, Burt Store Road has over

6374
08:16:12,720 --> 08:16:18,880
15,000 vehicles passing by at the segment immediately adjacent to the site every day.

6375
08:16:19,660 --> 08:16:29,200
So, again, the traffic impact statement evaluates a maximum of maximums. Once we come in,

6376
08:16:29,200 --> 08:16:38,240
But once the applicant works with an entity to actually build on the site, we'll submit a new traffic impact statement.

6377
08:16:38,520 --> 08:16:42,900
At that time, we're going to analyze the access, we're going to do a more detailed study.

6378
08:16:44,120 --> 08:16:53,300
You just have to evaluate this very broadly and very generally when you've got a 40-acre site, and you don't know what the use is going to be.

6379
08:16:53,300 --> 08:16:59,120
But at the same time, you want to make sure that we can preserve these sites in the future.

6380
08:16:59,300 --> 08:17:07,260
As Jason mentioned, you guys are well aware of the GDC legacy that exists here along US-41 and State Route 776.

6381
08:17:07,720 --> 08:17:15,180
And so you have a lot of parcels that, you know, I mean, with the exception of like Sant Hill, DRI or Murdoch, DRI, those increments,

6382
08:17:15,720 --> 08:17:22,800
they can't really accommodate the newer, more modern style of development of retailers and commercial entities.

6383
08:17:22,800 --> 08:17:32,340
So you've got this revolving situation of small entities going in, being shoehorned into these small parcels and trying to make a go of it.

6384
08:17:33,260 --> 08:17:40,920
So we are going to be at the time a site plan, some middle, will come back with a traffic impact analysis.

6385
08:17:41,620 --> 08:17:50,120
And if there are any deficiencies that are identified at that time, we will address them through a safety standpoint, through a concurrency standpoint.

6386
08:17:50,840 --> 08:17:55,060
You know, if it's targeting impact fees for specific capacity,

6387
08:17:55,380 --> 08:17:56,960
adding improvements, developer agreements,

6388
08:17:57,480 --> 08:18:00,760
developer agreement, I believe Jason's already mentioned that.

6389
08:18:01,540 --> 08:18:04,700
So, you know, today's decision is one item.

6390
08:18:04,960 --> 08:18:08,040
You know, is commercial zoning appropriate, you know,

6391
08:18:08,140 --> 08:18:10,280
for this future land use designation.

6392
08:18:15,860 --> 08:18:17,580
The, it's a little bit surprising.

6393
08:18:17,780 --> 08:18:22,620
We looked at the Sage project because it seems almost like a different set of standards.

6394
08:18:23,360 --> 08:18:28,920
were used for sage than what we're used for this potential, this project.

6395
08:18:30,060 --> 08:18:34,840
Again, you know, they're going to have to do a concurrency review at the time they come in with their

6396
08:18:34,840 --> 08:18:38,640
site plan. We have to do a concurrency review. There's another bite at the Apple.

6397
08:18:39,180 --> 08:18:45,620
And as you guys have mentioned previously, you have professional staff that is very well,

6398
08:18:46,900 --> 08:18:51,980
you know, research their very knowledgeable in this area and we've worked with them in the past.

6399
08:18:51,980 --> 08:18:55,220
And so they will identify any potential deficiencies

6400
08:18:55,220 --> 08:18:58,000
that might exist from future development on the site.

6401
08:18:59,500 --> 08:19:02,480
So again, Jason, I brought this up about the commercial need.

6402
08:19:02,760 --> 08:19:04,100
There's definitely commercial need.

6403
08:19:04,640 --> 08:19:07,540
This is the opportunity, I think, right now,

6404
08:19:08,260 --> 08:19:11,560
to make the zoning consistent with underlying land use

6405
08:19:11,560 --> 08:19:16,080
and ensure that this parcel, thanks to the applicant

6406
08:19:16,080 --> 08:19:17,440
for bringing this forward.

6407
08:19:17,440 --> 08:19:24,900
And sure that you have a commercial parcel available for all of these residential developments

6408
08:19:25,410 --> 08:19:27,080
that have been approved in the area.

6409
08:19:27,580 --> 08:19:32,540
I mean, as we've mentioned previously, you know, a couple years ago with the compound amendment.

6410
08:19:34,220 --> 08:19:40,140
You know, this site is about eight miles from a shopping center in Cape Coral of Pine Island Road.

6411
08:19:40,140 --> 08:19:43,360
It's about eight miles from the commercial on-clave.

6412
08:19:43,860 --> 08:19:45,920
They're in Ponegora at Jones Loop,

6413
08:19:45,920 --> 08:19:48,940
at Mark's Store at Jones Loop, and U.S. 41.

6414
08:19:49,440 --> 08:19:53,560
So this is the moment in time to act and make sure

6415
08:19:53,560 --> 08:19:56,460
that we preserve this parcel for commercial development,

6416
08:19:56,880 --> 08:19:59,920
because as you know, residential and non-residential.

6417
08:20:00,000 --> 08:20:06,020
General interaction. This is a huge opportunity for shorter trips. So I want to let Jason wrap up. He's only

6418
08:20:06,020 --> 08:20:09,520
got about three minutes. So thank you very much for your time. I'm available if you have any questions.

6419
08:20:11,200 --> 08:20:17,500
Thank you, Jason. I do want to thank Roddy and Robert. They were tirelessly with us. It's a big site.

6420
08:20:18,580 --> 08:20:24,980
They worked with us with us TIA and I can't thank them enough for working to take a couple of months, but I guess we got it finally.

6421
08:20:24,980 --> 08:20:29,700
So, I will wrap up in just saying closing in my professional opinion as a land use planner.

6422
08:20:30,280 --> 08:20:36,580
It's over two decades of experience that this rezoning is consistent with your comprehensive plan and your land development code.

6423
08:20:36,680 --> 08:20:38,380
It is the implementing zoning district.

6424
08:20:38,880 --> 08:20:43,440
It's consistent with the zoning's you just approved and with what's around us.

6425
08:20:43,980 --> 08:20:48,400
And I think not only are you short on your commercial and I think,

6426
08:20:48,460 --> 08:20:53,980
I'm sure to say, you also pointed it out, that there was a loss of commercial acreage along this corridor specifically because the stormwater.

6427
08:20:53,980 --> 08:20:58,960
So not only have we not added new, we've reduced and lost some acreage over time also.

6428
08:20:59,860 --> 08:21:05,020
So without I will respect, I'll complete my presentation and if you have any questions, I'm very happy to answer.

6429
08:21:05,380 --> 08:21:07,600
Just for the record commissioner, Consas made that comment.

6430
08:21:07,600 --> 08:21:07,920
I'm sorry.

6431
08:21:08,540 --> 08:21:09,960
I commented on his comment.

6432
08:21:10,540 --> 08:21:11,740
And we pointed that out last year.

6433
08:21:11,900 --> 08:21:13,180
So I'm very excited to hear that.

6434
08:21:13,300 --> 08:21:14,700
Any questions for the applicant?

6435
08:21:15,440 --> 08:21:15,900
Okay.

6436
08:21:16,200 --> 08:21:17,720
We're going to move on to public input.

6437
08:21:17,860 --> 08:21:18,480
Thank you.

6438
08:21:18,720 --> 08:21:18,780
Yep.

6439
08:21:18,860 --> 08:21:19,360
Thank you, sir.

6440
08:21:19,360 --> 08:21:22,840
anybody from the public wishing to speak on the side of please come forward state

6441
08:21:22,840 --> 08:21:24,900
your name for the record you'll have five minutes.

6442
08:21:28,390 --> 08:21:30,110
Good evening. Good evening.

6443
08:21:30,730 --> 08:21:40,530
Andrew Dorensio 242420. I'm a resident in Pirate Harbor and I see all the

6444
08:21:41,410 --> 08:21:48,870
building and everything going on because it's seven miles for me to get from where I live

6445
08:21:48,870 --> 08:21:53,970
to the public so on the corner. Now I know that there's going to be a public going in around

6446
08:21:53,970 --> 08:22:03,750
heritage landing from my understanding. This particular parcel would be great because what do we do

6447
08:22:03,750 --> 08:22:12,030
for medical, a medical center would be nice, or a doctor's kind of air, you know, someplace where

6448
08:22:12,030 --> 08:22:20,370
All these people that are moving can have access to medical of some sort, retail, restaurants.

6449
08:22:20,770 --> 08:22:28,290
I mean, the parcel lends itself to these kinds of things.

6450
08:22:30,490 --> 08:22:37,770
So when I look at this space and I see everything that's going on and all the construction

6451
08:22:37,770 --> 08:22:41,550
and all the housing, and you just approved another housing development.

6452
08:22:43,150 --> 08:22:53,530
I think that this particular parcel would be really conducive to other commercial types of things.

6453
08:22:54,450 --> 08:22:55,210
Thank you.

6454
08:22:55,310 --> 08:22:56,950
Thank you for your comments, ma'am.

6455
08:22:57,190 --> 08:22:58,390
Anybody else want to speak on this side?

6456
08:22:58,450 --> 08:22:59,110
Please come forward.

6457
08:22:59,330 --> 08:23:00,110
State your name for the record.

6458
08:23:00,330 --> 08:23:01,130
You'll have five minutes.

6459
08:23:04,040 --> 08:23:05,200
Aye, it's me again.

6460
08:23:06,640 --> 08:23:07,480
Good evening, doctor.

6461
08:23:07,480 --> 08:23:13,280
I actually drew this straw to speak the most at Indy Rate.

6462
08:23:14,880 --> 08:23:17,800
Again, on behalf of the Bernster Accord or Coalition,

6463
08:23:20,800 --> 08:23:23,300
I'm not going to read my whole entire

6464
08:23:23,300 --> 08:23:24,020
statement.

6465
08:23:25,020 --> 08:23:27,320
I'm just going to read the bottom half of it.

6466
08:23:27,340 --> 08:23:29,540
I do apologize by the way.

6467
08:23:29,820 --> 08:23:35,740
Something happened with my printer or whatever, and so the first page turns out to be what

6468
08:23:35,740 --> 08:23:41,740
draft copy of the first aid was going to be so it's crossed out.

6469
08:23:42,380 --> 08:23:44,980
So I hope you don't mind, sorry about that.

6470
08:23:46,040 --> 08:23:52,740
Anyhow, we really believe that this project should be viewed in the proper context.

6471
08:23:53,680 --> 08:24:00,340
Any future development on this property will be required to undergo additional levels

6472
08:24:00,340 --> 08:24:07,540
of county review. During the preliminary development planning process, specific issues will be

6473
08:24:07,540 --> 08:24:13,160
evaluated and the county will determine what traffic improvements and safety enhancements

6474
08:24:13,160 --> 08:24:21,220
are necessary, including turn lanes, signalization, access management, or other roadway modifications.

6475
08:24:22,320 --> 08:24:27,380
These requirements will be imposed before development is permitted.

6476
08:24:28,540 --> 08:24:33,980
Furthermore, the entire 40 acre site will not be developed simultaneously.

6477
08:24:35,220 --> 08:24:42,100
Development will occur incrementally over a period of years, allowing infrastructure improvements

6478
08:24:42,100 --> 08:24:48,940
to occur concurrently. By the time substantial portions of the property are developed,

6479
08:24:48,940 --> 08:24:56,000
Brune Store Road is expected to have been widened to six lanes, believe it or not.

6480
08:24:56,680 --> 08:24:57,300
This would.

6481
08:24:58,260 --> 08:24:59,880
The fishers have also.

6482
08:25:00,000 --> 08:25:20,260
Repeatedly affirmed, there are commitment to working collaboratively with nearby residents and county staff to address community concerns, including landscaping, buffering, commercial vehicle access, architectural compatibility, and other site-designed considerations.

6483
08:25:20,260 --> 08:25:27,000
As with all development, they will also coordinate with the county's water and wastewater

6484
08:25:27,000 --> 08:25:31,740
utility providers to ensure that adequate infrastructure is available.

6485
08:25:32,720 --> 08:25:38,740
For these reasons, the Berseric Order Coalition believes this rezoning request represents

6486
08:25:38,740 --> 08:25:46,360
a logical and appropriate implementation of the commercial, sorry commercial, future

6487
08:25:46,360 --> 08:25:50,860
land use designation previously approved by this board.

6488
08:25:52,180 --> 08:25:58,760
The application provides the opportunity to bring much needed commercial services closer

6489
08:25:58,760 --> 08:26:07,700
to area of residencies while ensuring that future development remains subject to comprehensive

6490
08:26:08,180 --> 08:26:15,400
county review and oversight and you know the two commercial properties that team before

6491
08:26:15,400 --> 08:26:19,360
today are not incompatible with each other.

6492
08:26:19,940 --> 08:26:24,400
You know, we see one probably being a midi,

6493
08:26:25,000 --> 08:26:29,500
not necessarily a larger scope, but a different scope.

6494
08:26:30,200 --> 08:26:32,040
Maybe my more regional scope.

6495
08:26:32,680 --> 08:26:35,860
We see this one being more neighborhood focused,

6496
08:26:36,500 --> 08:26:40,280
and we certainly hope that both of these facilities

6497
08:26:42,180 --> 08:26:47,600
will engage, hope that's that rain. We'll engage,

6498
08:26:50,570 --> 08:26:53,430
walk in clinic or urgent care of some sort

6499
08:26:53,430 --> 08:27:01,270
because as the previous speaker said, that is absolutely a necessity for our area that cannot

6500
08:27:01,270 --> 08:27:08,370
be emphasized more. Thank you very much for your time. I know it's very late and everyone is tired

6501
08:27:08,370 --> 08:27:14,730
listening to everybody else. So have a pleasant evening all. That wasn't rain you heard

6502
08:27:14,730 --> 08:27:19,330
that was my stomach. Anybody else wishing to speak on this item please come forward

6503
08:27:19,330 --> 08:27:21,330
station. A for the record you'll have five minutes.

6504
08:27:27,380 --> 08:27:28,640
I'll thank the pan right out of the

6505
08:27:28,640 --> 08:27:29,160
ink.

6506
08:27:32,180 --> 08:27:34,940
There's a hand out for that.

6507
08:27:35,600 --> 08:27:41,220
Bill of Smallwood, 2 4 3 6 8, Treasure Island Boulevard.

6508
08:27:42,180 --> 08:27:43,760
I've watched this morning's meeting.

6509
08:27:43,760 --> 08:27:45,460
I feel like I've been here since night.

6510
08:27:45,740 --> 08:27:48,600
I did not, I was not here in the audience, but I was watching.

6511
08:27:49,740 --> 08:28:00,340
Also I remember watching the one where the heated discussion was pretty much about the commercial

6512
08:28:00,340 --> 08:28:10,320
property that was all sold to the county for the retention bonds with them to items alone.

6513
08:28:10,800 --> 08:28:19,040
There is no way that you cannot vote to get to let this be commercial. It's still got to

6514
08:28:19,040 --> 08:28:28,560
come before you with a plan, does it design? So we understand that staff takes the most elaborate

6515
08:28:28,560 --> 08:28:38,660
amount of traffic that could be used to get into that 629,000 square foot, which means

6516
08:28:38,660 --> 08:28:44,500
they're their figure and it could be six McDonald's and four armies, you know. So when

6517
08:28:44,500 --> 08:28:49,520
they're using them figures, it's not going to end up being something like that. It's not

6518
08:28:49,520 --> 08:28:57,540
going to be a high traffic like that. So you have to go ahead and let it be commercial general.

6519
08:28:57,540 --> 08:29:00,420
Thank you for your time and I'm ready to go home, too.

6520
08:29:01,180 --> 08:29:01,520
Thank you, sir.

6521
08:29:01,700 --> 08:29:02,240
Thank you for your comments.

6522
08:29:02,500 --> 08:29:03,760
Anybody else from the public question to speak?

6523
08:29:03,900 --> 08:29:04,360
Please come forward.

6524
08:29:04,580 --> 08:29:05,200
Station A for the record.

6525
08:29:05,660 --> 08:29:06,380
You'll have five minutes.

6526
08:29:07,340 --> 08:29:07,880
This will be quick.

6527
08:29:08,120 --> 08:29:08,580
I promise.

6528
08:29:08,880 --> 08:29:11,920
It's Sally Wells, 1995 in Bernstein Village.

6529
08:29:12,640 --> 08:29:15,940
I read this morning that in the Metro for casting model

6530
08:29:15,940 --> 08:29:19,400
dated July 2026, that a pause could help cut a necessary

6531
08:29:19,400 --> 08:29:20,920
traffic shifts northbound.

6532
08:29:21,280 --> 08:29:24,020
So it sounds to me like it could help subtract some traffic

6533
08:29:24,020 --> 08:29:25,620
instead of add to the traffic.

6534
08:29:26,580 --> 08:29:28,480
That is the only thing that I have for you.

6535
08:29:28,800 --> 08:29:29,980
So thank you very much, gentlemen.

6536
08:29:30,300 --> 08:29:30,920
Thank you for your comments.

6537
08:29:31,180 --> 08:29:32,060
Anybody else from the public question,

6538
08:29:32,380 --> 08:29:33,300
please come forward.

6539
08:29:34,240 --> 08:29:34,780
Last call.

6540
08:29:35,000 --> 08:29:36,200
Mr. Chairman, I see no one else rising.

6541
08:29:36,480 --> 08:29:37,640
Move the closed public in the day.

6542
08:29:37,800 --> 08:29:38,140
Good motion.

6543
08:29:38,360 --> 08:29:40,020
Second, the closed public input is ready for the discussion.

6544
08:29:40,160 --> 08:29:41,200
Did you want to get up, sir?

6545
08:29:41,720 --> 08:29:42,400
Yep, I'm sorry.

6546
08:29:42,720 --> 08:29:42,900
No, no, no.

6547
08:29:42,900 --> 08:29:44,280
We didn't close it yet.

6548
08:29:44,400 --> 08:29:45,720
I think I would draw my motion.

6549
08:29:46,900 --> 08:29:47,740
My second was wrong.

6550
08:29:47,780 --> 08:29:49,520
We didn't pop up fast enough.

6551
08:29:50,380 --> 08:29:51,580
My name is Don Johnson.

6552
08:29:51,580 --> 08:29:59,970
I'm President, Pirate Harbor since 2007, and I've known this.

6553
08:30:00,000 --> 08:30:11,260
This applicant, the family, since I've lived in pirate harbour, they're honorable people, they're

6554
08:30:11,260 --> 08:30:12,800
civic-minded.

6555
08:30:17,750 --> 08:30:25,510
Laura has headed up our POA, she's dropped and passed the baton, but for several

6556
08:30:25,510 --> 08:30:33,310
years has rallied the whole community that we live in together.

6557
08:30:33,890 --> 08:30:40,270
It's not a mandatory POA, and you can imagine just the connotation of a POA is not

6558
08:30:40,270 --> 08:30:47,650
liked by it a lot, but able to rally the whole community together to come together

6559
08:30:47,650 --> 08:30:59,270
and make improvements, she spearheaded efforts to plant main groves and improve the islands

6560
08:30:59,270 --> 08:31:01,290
that were destroyed in the hurricane,

6561
08:31:04,170 --> 08:31:08,610
spearheaded in the dredging of the channel and

6562
08:31:08,610 --> 08:31:15,310
planning grass beds throughout Charlotte Harbor, Charlotte Harbor, the water area,

6563
08:31:17,950 --> 08:31:18,010
they're

6564
08:31:18,010 --> 08:31:29,990
good people, and this is a project of changing zoning that you all know that we need in the

6565
08:31:29,990 --> 08:31:30,410
area.

6566
08:31:30,410 --> 08:31:39,530
I don't know how much that report cost us to formulate what the growth in the area and what we need,

6567
08:31:39,670 --> 08:31:42,190
but we need commercial areas.

6568
08:31:44,470 --> 08:31:55,310
Once the site plan or development plan is figured out, that's when the impact can be decided,

6569
08:31:55,910 --> 08:31:57,670
and those items can be correct.

6570
08:31:57,670 --> 08:32:04,950
So, I ask you to just use your common sense, and I don't see if the attorney is there anything legally

6571
08:32:06,690 --> 08:32:13,150
that you guys cannot approve this with whatever comments that your staff has made thus far.

6572
08:32:14,850 --> 08:32:25,130
I don't believe there is any legal boundaries of how you vote, and you know that we need this commercial area.

6573
08:32:26,410 --> 08:32:27,950
And I thank you for your time.

6574
08:32:28,110 --> 08:32:28,790
Thank you, sir.

6575
08:32:29,530 --> 08:32:29,850
Thank you, sir.

6576
08:32:29,850 --> 08:32:30,610
Thank you, sir.

6577
08:32:31,070 --> 08:32:32,110
Anybody else wishing to speak?

6578
08:32:32,510 --> 08:32:33,950
Please come forward, Station A for the record.

6579
08:32:35,250 --> 08:32:35,770
Last call.

6580
08:32:35,910 --> 08:32:38,070
Mr. Chairman, move to close the public input.

6581
08:32:38,290 --> 08:32:38,870
Say that.

6582
08:32:38,870 --> 08:32:40,350
We have motion, second, close public input.

6583
08:32:40,430 --> 08:32:41,490
Is there any further discussion?

6584
08:32:42,010 --> 08:32:43,170
Is there any opposition to the motion?

6585
08:32:43,310 --> 08:32:43,890
Public input?

6586
08:32:44,010 --> 08:32:44,470
Is close?

6587
08:32:44,710 --> 08:32:44,770
Commission?

6588
08:32:44,850 --> 08:32:45,170
Concentrate.

6589
08:32:45,990 --> 08:32:46,770
Thank you, sir.

6590
08:32:48,610 --> 08:32:49,910
I'm not Robert Fakery.

6591
08:32:50,570 --> 08:32:52,050
So I don't know the answer to this question.

6592
08:32:52,790 --> 08:32:59,410
But I guess my inquiry would be, you know, we don't just need commercial, we need industrial.

6593
08:33:00,330 --> 08:33:05,370
So it's just curious about, you know, if it's commercial, you can't do auto repair.

6594
08:33:05,930 --> 08:33:08,310
You know, is there, it's just going to throw it out there.

6595
08:33:08,470 --> 08:33:13,050
There probably is a need to have industrial light industrial down there to be able to do those kinds of things.

6596
08:33:13,230 --> 08:33:14,830
So folks can get stuff done locally.

6597
08:33:15,810 --> 08:33:18,090
My question to the applicant though, Jason, is,

6598
08:33:19,310 --> 08:33:27,690
So we got a problem here, if it's between 301 to 629, well then why don't we just say yes, you can have it and we'll limit you to 300,000 square feet of commercial.

6599
08:33:27,890 --> 08:33:30,770
I don't know where that came from. We didn't say that.

6600
08:33:31,190 --> 08:33:31,810
I'm saying.

6601
08:33:32,070 --> 08:33:43,110
Would you agree to be limited to 300,000 square feet of commercial for your 41 acres? If the answer is yes, then I would ask staff, does it meet compliance? Are we okay?

6602
08:33:43,110 --> 08:33:52,730
No, because we already did that with the future land use map amendment, we restricted it from the one FAR that's allowed under your cop plan to point 3-5 as a notation to your future land use map.

6603
08:33:53,090 --> 08:34:03,530
Secondly, you're not required to meet level service now. You're required to level meet level of service when the impact is occurring. We've already provided a TIA that says, we've improved in such a six-laning.

6604
08:34:03,530 --> 08:34:08,450
We meet that. That's what all the traffic studies and all the things you read today say.

6605
08:34:08,710 --> 08:34:12,630
Okay, so we don't explain for 20 or 30 years, then you're not going to be able to do anything.

6606
08:34:13,010 --> 08:34:20,270
We can't develop up up to a point of concurrency that we could meet concurrency or pay for six lanes or pay for additional lanes or what have you current.

6607
08:34:20,890 --> 08:34:24,950
And the difference is which, which, and I'll be honest, it kind of confused me a little bit, your PD's.

6608
08:34:24,990 --> 08:34:28,950
I heard today and I read in staff reports that they're vesting those trips when you approve of those PD's.

6609
08:34:28,970 --> 08:34:30,150
We're not vesting for anything.

6610
08:34:30,150 --> 08:34:34,810
Yeah, you have more control over this site than you do through a PD so I got news for you

6611
08:34:34,810 --> 08:34:41,210
Yes, the way the state's being run. We're going to be broke as it comes to most things and certainly

6612
08:34:41,830 --> 08:34:49,390
Of sat up here in the chairman's position with the MPO and told the Secretary don't plan on

6613
08:34:49,390 --> 08:34:55,570
Spending any more local dollars because I'm not voting for anything locally for any roadway projects for expansion anymore

6614
08:34:55,570 --> 08:34:57,890
It's done. We don't have the money

6615
08:34:57,890 --> 08:34:59,810
so I'm telling you this

6616
08:35:00,000 --> 08:35:08,860
Well, in my lifetime, when I know we're talking about that connector road, all those plans are up in the air now, because we're not going to be able to afford all of that.

6617
08:35:08,940 --> 08:35:14,980
And so, if a lot of this development is predicated on having six leaning and having those other roadways, not going to happen.

6618
08:35:15,100 --> 08:35:19,520
No, it's an exercise to show what would happen if you did do other improvements.

6619
08:35:19,820 --> 08:35:25,420
And when you do the TIAs, you can pick and choose things that might show that, right? So this is a simple way to do to show the six leaning.

6620
08:35:25,420 --> 08:35:30,880
If there is, if you're not doing it, and it doesn't get done, and there's portions that

6621
08:35:30,880 --> 08:35:33,000
we're responsible for, we have to pay for that.

6622
08:35:33,200 --> 08:35:35,420
And there's no vested trips with a rezoning like this.

6623
08:35:35,680 --> 08:35:40,160
So if we come to the table next year or five years, 10 years to develop portions of the

6624
08:35:40,160 --> 08:35:44,780
site, and there's no capacity left, your concurrency management system adopted in your

6625
08:35:44,780 --> 08:35:47,400
land of Elmacoid, say, you can't approve this.

6626
08:35:47,420 --> 08:35:47,580
Right.

6627
08:35:47,620 --> 08:35:52,380
Other people that get to the table first, correct their set, and then you come last, or the people

6628
08:35:52,380 --> 08:35:53,620
that come last, you're going to have a problem.

6629
08:35:53,620 --> 08:35:57,300
But technically the biggest issue you have is all of these vested trips that you keep recognizing

6630
08:35:57,300 --> 08:35:58,420
that they're not even developing.

6631
08:35:59,180 --> 08:35:59,760
It's on paper.

6632
08:35:59,820 --> 08:36:02,500
They're holding the volume on paper.

6633
08:36:02,900 --> 08:36:03,540
We're okay with it.

6634
08:36:03,540 --> 08:36:04,580
We understand that risk.

6635
08:36:04,640 --> 08:36:05,140
Thank you, Chairman.

6636
08:36:05,280 --> 08:36:06,820
Thank you, Chairman.

6637
08:36:06,840 --> 08:36:07,700
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

6638
08:36:08,680 --> 08:36:13,660
I agree that we still have control over this to the level of service, and then they would

6639
08:36:13,660 --> 08:36:21,000
have to provide any additional access points or decil lanes or whatever they want to

6640
08:36:21,000 --> 08:36:26,100
to provide at that point in time, or not do anything at all if they have to have six

6641
08:36:26,100 --> 08:36:27,800
lane, and they don't have the money to do it.

6642
08:36:28,380 --> 08:36:31,320
So with that, I'm moving north of the Board of County Commissioners in Charlotte County

6643
08:36:31,320 --> 08:36:35,940
Florida, pursuant section 125.66, for the statute to many of the Charlotte County Zoning

6644
08:36:35,940 --> 08:36:41,740
Atlas, from Residence, we'll state one, our E1, to commercial general CG for property located

6645
08:36:41,740 --> 08:36:47,540
at 1.7150 birth store road in the birth store area, plan area, and in the punt of order area,

6646
08:36:47,540 --> 08:36:51,520
containing 41.31 plus or minus acres, Commission District 2,

6647
08:36:51,720 --> 08:36:56,640
Physician C-23-35-17, applicant, Jackson Fisher LL

6648
08:36:56,640 --> 08:36:57,980
so you're providing effective dates.

6649
08:36:59,620 --> 08:37:02,280
We have motion a second to move the ordinances.

6650
08:37:02,460 --> 08:37:03,480
Is there any further discussion?

6651
08:37:06,920 --> 08:37:09,860
So I remember this when it came before the board last time

6652
08:37:09,860 --> 08:37:11,820
and we were encouraging a plan development

6653
08:37:11,820 --> 08:37:14,080
because what the public was talking about

6654
08:37:14,080 --> 08:37:15,940
were specific uses that you wanted.

6655
08:37:15,940 --> 08:37:18,240
medical and certain things.

6656
08:37:18,760 --> 08:37:24,560
When you do commercial general, which is what the applicant is asking for now, everything that's

6657
08:37:24,560 --> 08:37:28,900
listed under commercial general can go on this property by right.

6658
08:37:29,700 --> 08:37:32,380
So it's no longer what the community wants.

6659
08:37:32,920 --> 08:37:40,840
It's whatever the market says or offers the owners of the property and the owners of the property

6660
08:37:40,840 --> 08:37:43,880
from what I know are not land developers.

6661
08:37:44,400 --> 08:37:49,260
They have other businesses, but they're not developers per se, they happen to own this property.

6662
08:37:50,160 --> 08:37:54,880
So I don't know if they plan on developing it personally themselves as a builder or a developer.

6663
08:37:57,140 --> 08:38:03,820
But I'm just, my caveat is, once this goes to commercial general, that's it.

6664
08:38:04,100 --> 08:38:08,160
They have certain rights that run with the property, they go straight to the building department.

6665
08:38:09,060 --> 08:38:11,900
They don't come back to the board, they go right to the building department.

6666
08:38:11,900 --> 08:38:18,780
So it's whatever it's whatever those people when they make their application as long as it fits does that designation and

6667
08:38:18,780 --> 08:38:22,520
They're concurrent and meet all the other check the boxes. They get their permits

6668
08:38:23,500 --> 08:38:31,320
So I just you know, I wanted to make that clear to the people who want specific uses out there the other thing I found out on this application

6669
08:38:32,920 --> 08:38:36,680
Is it's almost like you gave a recommendation, but with like a caveat

6670
08:38:36,680 --> 08:38:40,700
I don't remember ever seen a recommendation. It sounds like you're you're saying

6671
08:38:40,700 --> 08:38:48,400
that they're consistent with our comp plan and all the other plans, if it's limited to less than 300,000 square feet.

6672
08:38:49,000 --> 08:38:53,540
That would be a process of when the applicant comes in, then you would make that determination on square footage.

6673
08:38:53,700 --> 08:39:00,260
But you put it in here. Was it to condition your recommendation that it's only good for 300,000?

6674
08:39:00,340 --> 08:39:04,880
No, I'm not condition. I just tell you the fact, what did TI's tell me is I tell you?

6675
08:39:04,880 --> 08:39:08,920
Okay. Also the same thing that African said, I don't know what they were put there.

6676
08:39:09,480 --> 08:39:11,140
Yeah. So I only provide a fact.

6677
08:39:11,380 --> 08:39:17,080
No, no. I just don't remember ever seeing a recommendation worded this way. It was almost like,

6678
08:39:17,380 --> 08:39:20,720
you just wanted to make sure we knew as a board in the public new,

6679
08:39:21,220 --> 08:39:26,160
as things stand right now with 48, or you only get 300,000 and 1 square feet.

6680
08:39:26,420 --> 08:39:33,360
Unless you can become, you know, provide a traffic impact statement and provide whatever you need to provide to get more.

6681
08:39:35,420 --> 08:39:42,740
That's the way I understand it. I don't object to having commercial uses there. I just wanted to be clear to the public

6682
08:39:42,740 --> 08:39:44,220
This is not a plan development

6683
08:39:44,840 --> 08:39:51,020
Whatever goes there the market's going to determine and the the owner of the property. That's all. That's all I wanted to get on the record

6684
08:39:51,720 --> 08:39:57,840
Come in. Sure conscious recognized right. Thank you because right if this if we were proving this is a plan development with commercial uses

6685
08:39:57,840 --> 08:39:59,640
They'd have to come back with a site plan

6686
08:40:00,000 --> 08:40:29,980
And with exactly what those uses are, we would have control. But we're just giving CG, we would be giving CG zoning now. And that would be, that's it. That's it. They, you could list off for me the 30 things that would be allowed. And they could do any one of them. I do want to bring up this has whether we had voted yesterday or no on the other one, doesn't impact this. Correct me from wrong. Because that's only 12.55 acres. It sounds like you would allow up to maybe 20 acres or 18 acres of use.

6687
08:40:30,000 --> 08:40:34,980
to get access to the roadway and they wouldn't trip the square-footage problem.

6688
08:40:35,560 --> 08:40:46,320
But because this is 40 acres, now you have such a large area that can be planned out deep into the parcel that's too much traffic trying to get out onto the road from all of those uses.

6689
08:40:46,780 --> 08:40:51,300
So if it were 10 or 20 acres, maybe 18, whatever in that sweet zone, you're okay.

6690
08:40:51,780 --> 08:40:56,260
But because it's so big, you have concerns about if they max it out.

6691
08:40:56,260 --> 08:41:12,220
And what, let me ask you this, if they started in and said we'll be going to put these three restaurants or whatever these facilities and we get, we're getting up to that maximum if they came back and said now we want to permit these other things you would say sorry you can't

6692
08:41:12,220 --> 08:41:18,300
Because you have too much in the pipeline trying to get on the road so now you're limited is that what would happen?

6693
08:41:18,300 --> 08:41:28,120
Now, if you approve the CG Resonance, so they can tomorrow, I just say, they can come for the site-print review to propose their development.

6694
08:41:29,700 --> 08:41:35,360
And then, obviously, we'll provide TIS based on the what actually development, they'll provide the TIS.

6695
08:41:35,420 --> 08:41:45,820
But I'm saying, could they come in, you know, in a couple of months and say, you know, we've decided we want to go to 690,000 square feet of commercial. You would have to grant that for them?

6696
08:41:45,820 --> 08:41:52,280
they need to provide the TIS traffic impact statements and it's a staff review they will not bring back to them

6697
08:41:52,280 --> 08:41:54,860
and if staff doesn't agree with it then it's not going to go forward

6698
08:41:55,460 --> 08:42:00,280
yes, okay if they came back with 300,000 square feet tomorrow

6699
08:42:00,280 --> 08:42:04,280
would they need to provide a traffic impact? it's the only the project is the only it

6700
08:42:05,660 --> 08:42:07,400
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a specific issue

6701
08:42:07,400 --> 08:42:10,960
sorry, Mike wouldn't know, can we address an issue? do you mind?

6702
08:42:11,620 --> 08:42:18,680
I mean, if you want more discussion right now, I mean, unless the board wants to hear something from the applicant, I mean, we've closed that.

6703
08:42:18,680 --> 08:42:20,020
I think we're ready to vote for you.

6704
08:42:21,060 --> 08:42:30,220
Okay, so I just also want to say, you know, my comments weren't to impune the integrity of the lot owners, it was just a clarified of the public.

6705
08:42:30,880 --> 08:42:39,240
You know, that that's how it works in real life. That's all. I'm sure that the applicant's going to work with the community to try to get uses in there just like you explained.

6706
08:42:39,240 --> 08:42:45,440
is there any further discussion? Is there any opposition to the motion? That passes unanimously.

6707
08:42:46,440 --> 08:42:50,720
Okay, gentlemen, you know, we did, we missed one comment from the Economic Development

6708
08:42:50,720 --> 08:42:57,220
Director. She's been here all night. Did you have any comments, Ms. Tracy? Unless you were

6709
08:42:57,220 --> 08:43:00,480
here just to experience land use. Thank you, Commissioner.

6710
08:43:01,320 --> 08:43:06,520
Okay, Tracy, Fister, for the record, Economic Development Director. Just wanted to thank

6711
08:43:06,520 --> 08:43:17,420
for your commitment to investing in data-driven information to come back to departments like

6712
08:43:17,420 --> 08:43:23,220
the Economic Development Office. It really helps us drive long-term growth here for our community,

6713
08:43:23,360 --> 08:43:30,220
really helps us to guide us through certain decisions and investments that are coming in

6714
08:43:30,220 --> 08:43:38,020
our office and also I wanted to compliment you and human services and a hack for the Murdoch

6715
08:43:38,020 --> 08:43:44,600
Square that is so needed for our affordable housing and workforce housing efforts.

6716
08:43:45,320 --> 08:43:51,220
It's important to our business community that their employees can have options for them

6717
08:43:51,220 --> 08:43:53,020
to live here and work here too.

6718
08:43:53,340 --> 08:43:53,840
Thank you.

6719
08:43:53,960 --> 08:43:54,200
Thank you.

6720
08:43:54,200 --> 08:43:54,580
Thank you for your comments.

6721
08:43:54,780 --> 08:43:56,460
Any questions for Ms. Tracy?

6722
08:43:56,460 --> 08:43:59,100
Okay, we've completed our journey. This meeting is adjourned.