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Order.

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Roll call.

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I'm not recording, so, um,

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Fullertons?

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Here.

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Christensen?

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Present.

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Chin?

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Here.

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Kormatt, absent.

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Here.

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Rodriguez is absent. Newman?

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Here.

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Okay, Mayor Fullertons .

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Thank you. Invocation tonight by Dwight Ezop from St.

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Mary's Catholic

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Church.

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Let us bow our heads to pray.

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Lord, our God, you're the maker of all things human and divine.

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All times and seasons obey your laws, and yet you have created

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us to be the stewards of your creation, caring for the world and its

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peoples and all their wonder. We come before you as your

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servants. Our time of service to others may seem without

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end,

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and so we pray that you help us to accept that all that is involved in this

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office, for which your servants have been chosen.

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Allow us to offer you devoted service as we seek to meet the needs of our brothers

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and sisters we have in you. Keep our hearts open to the mystery

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of your presence in our lives, in the midst of the service we offer on behalf of

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others. Unlock for us, we pray, the secret of how, in

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such service, we may always give honor, praise, and glory to

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you. As your servants, we bow before you

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and the mystery of your will. We pray that you bless our efforts

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today and each day.

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We make this prayer through the mystery of your Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy

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Spirit. Amen.

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Amen.

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Thank you. All rise for the

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pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America, and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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... Next, we have approval of the minutes from the February 9th meeting.

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Is there a motion?

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So moved.

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Second.

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Moved and seconded. Any corrections?

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Yes, I have one. Um, council member

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committee reports

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on page two of five, um,

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at the, at the end, it says, "Council Member Chinn also reported the planning

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committee meeting had no quorum." The, the, um- I'm

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not involved with the planning committee, but the Brownfield Redevelopment

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Committee had no quorum.

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Okay.

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Anything else?

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Mr. Chinn, anything else?

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Nope.

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Mr. Neumann?

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Uh, page three of five, my last name is spelled

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incorrectly.

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Where? Where?

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Uh, council member, it's on the left-hand column, second

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paragraph.

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Towards the bottom?

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Yep, going towards the bottom.

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It's a new man.

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It's a new man, yes.

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Not a new one.

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That's all I've got.

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The only thing that I saw was that on page

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four, it talks about public comment.

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There was no public comment at the last meeting, but then there's three or four

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paragraphs there that came from a meeting sometime in

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December. So

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there wasn't any pub- public comment at the last meeting.

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So, Madam Clerk, do you want to see that one?

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I will get it fixed.

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There's like... Talks about Nicole, John Lopp, Copper

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Frost, and Jody

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Pruden.

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Okay, so the motion will stand to approve them

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as corrected. All those in favor say, "Aye."

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed? Motion carries.

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Absence of council members, I've heard from Councilman

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Brummett. His father-in-law passed away,

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therefore, he, he's at visitation tonight.

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Councilman Rodriquez called and said that he had

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things to do at work, but he would be here probably ten to fifteen minutes

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late.

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I'd move to excuse the absent

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members.

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Both, both of them?

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Both.

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Second.

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Moved and seconded to excuse the two absent members.

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All in favor say, "Aye."

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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They're excused.

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That brings us down to public comment.

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Anyone from the public here that we have want to

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speak?

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How about anybody online?

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I can't get online. I'm still trying to load it.

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What'd you say?

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I'm still trying to load online. I can't get it to pick

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up.

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All right.

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I don't think there's anybody on there.

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We'll move on. Approval of the

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agenda.

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Hello?

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So moved.

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Is there a second?

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Um-

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Second.

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Moved and seconded, approved agenda as printed.

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Any discussions or requests to remove something?

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All those in favor say, "Aye."

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Agenda's approved. Communications and committee reports.

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Manager report.

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Yeah, just a few items, uh, that I, um, included last week

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is a board and committee, uh, particularly the Brownfield and, uh,

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local development authority. Now, after I was writing this, I realize you have

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re-established, uh, at least the Brownfield, and, and I think that's good.

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Uh, a- a- and I want to reiterate the, uh, two meetings ago

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with the ninety-something thousand payment to Shift Industries,

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that was a twenty twenty-three, uh, payment.

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Uh, so

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we're catching up on it, but there are some things that as a committee, that we

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gotta kinda go through. When, when it was established in two thousand and

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seventeen, uh, for the current Brownfield, everything looked like it

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rolled pretty good, and then there somewhere along the way, things started,

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uh, because of turnover, more than likely.

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Um, but there's a, a revolving fund that you have, as well as an

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administrative fund, and I've, I've talked with the finance director, uh,

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Christina Horton, that, that we're gonna try and reconcile where it should be.

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Uh, you got one other payment that's gonna be coming up at the end of this tax

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season, probably in, in March, and it's probably in the range of another ninety

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thousand. Um, but at that point, you're still gonna have probably close to a

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hundred and fifty thousand in that account.

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And so we kinda wanna make sure where all of it belongs, uh, because

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there's a couple of different designations.

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But it does give you some funding that you could work with, whether it's a study,

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uh, some planning activities, or, or even helping with some remediation.

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So that's why I think it's good if we can get this, you know, back, uh,

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functioning. There is some resources that you have to, you know, address some, some

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problems. Uh, the other is the LDFA. Are you...

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I- I think, is it combined, where the, the Brownfield and LDF

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together? Okay. All right.

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No.

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So-

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It's separate.

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They're separate. Okay, all right.

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But you got a, you know, healthy fund balance in there.

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I know it's been discussed about a project in the future, but I think if

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periodically, they should at least meet once a year just to reinforce the fact that

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it's, uh, there for that purpose. Uh, otherwise, you know, I always worry

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about, you know, somebody wanting to grab it

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and refund it back to the taxing entity.

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So, um, so anyways, that's, uh, with the board and committees, uh,

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proposals for the manager search come in tomorrow.

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Um, there's been some discussion about, uh, um,

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maybe meeting on Thursday. Um, Mr. uh...

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That would be ideal just to do a quick review, uh, and in doing

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so, um, I'll, I'll, I'll get in touch after the meeting to see what time

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would be good. I'll work with the clerk as far as posting a meeting, but I

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usually in these, uh, that they'll be posted, even though there's not a

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quorum, there's a

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state supreme court, uh, rule-...

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decision a couple years ago that said, yeah, well, even if it's leading to a

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recommendation, you should post it.

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And so if the rest of the council members are inclined to sit in on it,

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there- it'll be noted, uh, that, uh, uh, they're meeting.

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And, and at that point, if you wanted to sit there on Thursday when they, they

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finally meet to review them,

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don't worry about the public notice.

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We'll have that taken care of, so. Pay classification

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study, um, you know, there's, um, I'm looking to

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go forward with just doing a, a, a study, and I say

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study, but it's essentially an update of, uh, job

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descriptions, responsibilities, um, for,

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uh, the non-union department head positions.

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Uh, and I- there's two purposes for it.

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One is to set a structure in place where you have internal pay

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equity. The other part is to, to look outside to make sure you're

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competitive in the marketplace. Uh, and so there is funding

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in the, uh, manager's, uh, budget for it.

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You're not paying any more health insurance, uh, uh,

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for the rest of the fiscal year, no more pension, retirement

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contributions, uh, uh, those type of things.

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So when you look at it, we should be able to...

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Now, because it's under the 15 or 20,000, and I'm guessing it's gonna be in the

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range, I would just, uh, go forward with it, but certainly keep, uh, the

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council apprised of where we end up.

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I would solicit bids for the, you know, for the study itself.

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So thoughts, comments?

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I have a comment backing up to the shift payment.

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Um, I'm just wondering if, if this is something else, I mean,

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that we're gonna create an Excel spreadsheet for other entities that

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fall into this category of brownfield and

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are-

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There, yeah, there has been. The, the spreadsheet in the past was very good, to be

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honest with you, when it started. Uh, and it looked like it ran really well for a

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few years, and then it just kind of...

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I couldn't follow it after that.

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I guess I'm asking, we need to re-engage with the spreadsheet?

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Yes, we do.

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Yes, we do.

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Yeah, yeah.

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All right.

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Because there is some resources that you have to work with.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's just-

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Indeed

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... trying to figure out which, what, what are, what, how it's

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classified.

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Uh-

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Been warned.

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Title, uh, IV, uh, policy. Recently, we responded to a

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complaint, uh, that was initiated, uh, back in December.

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Uh, um, did you have something to follow up on that or... Oh, okay.

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Um,

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in talking with the attorney that, uh, led the, through the investigation,

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uh, uh, with our past policy, uh, and it, in some

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ways, dictated by the Federal Highway Administration, is that, uh, you, we

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had to do an investigation. Now, that's changed.

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Uh, if there is a complaint, uh, we forward it on to MDOT, who forwards

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it on to, uh, Highway, Federal Highway Administration for review of

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the complaint. So we put resources into the, you know, the

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investigation, uh, responded to it, but, but going forward, uh,

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that's going to change, and I would look to put some sort of either resolution or

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motion just acknowledging that, uh, that'll be the process going forward.

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Still required to comply with, uh, you know, Title

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VI, but, uh, by the same token, it's not...

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It's just the investigative component that, that would be changing,

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so. I'll have that at pr- uh, the intent is to have it at the next

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meeting.

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And then last, just a zoning update.

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Uh, uh, talked with the, uh, city attorney.

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Uh, he's coming back, uh, today, uh, from Mexico.

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Uh, uh, they've completed a review internally.

253
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He wants to do one more review of it, uh, and then with, uh,

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um,

255
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uh, Tiger, we'll, uh, schedule, uh, the, the readings with

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the city council, as well as the planning commission, and, and we're hopeful to

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have it adopted by the end of April.

258
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So, uh-

259
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Very good. Any more questions for the manager?

260
00:40:36,324 --> 00:40:36,944
Good.

261
00:40:36,984 --> 00:40:37,824
I have just one.

262
00:40:37,844 --> 00:40:37,934
Yep.

263
00:40:37,964 --> 00:40:39,864
You're talking about the meeting on Thursday.

264
00:40:39,884 --> 00:40:41,704
There's a committee of three, correct?

265
00:40:41,724 --> 00:40:42,544
Mm-hmm.

266
00:40:42,584 --> 00:40:45,264
That's already been formed. That's who you're gonna meet with-

267
00:40:45,304 --> 00:40:45,744
Yeah, yeah

268
00:40:45,844 --> 00:40:49,533
... you, and then the committee's gonna bring back a recommendation to us anyway?

269
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Yes.

270
00:40:49,964 --> 00:40:53,084
So I don't, I don't see a need for any of me to go, at least.

271
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Yeah.

272
00:40:53,844 --> 00:40:56,684
So I'll let the committee do their work.

273
00:40:56,744 --> 00:41:00,284
Okay, I just want to be clear on that.

274
00:41:01,204 --> 00:41:03,324
Also, just tell me, is this too much of a report?

275
00:41:03,883 --> 00:41:05,344
'Cause I can shorten it up.

276
00:41:05,383 --> 00:41:06,524
No, you were, you were at two minutes.

277
00:41:06,544 --> 00:41:07,664
All right.

278
00:41:09,604 --> 00:41:10,184
I was watching.

279
00:41:10,824 --> 00:41:13,444
Okay. Keep me in line.

280
00:41:13,544 --> 00:41:17,224
Okay. Council

281
00:41:17,284 --> 00:41:20,644
Member rings this. There's no- the only staff here, she's gonna report in just a

282
00:41:20,684 --> 00:41:24,024
minute, so, um, council member committee report.

283
00:41:24,044 --> 00:41:27,104
Somebody's been to a committee and want to report on something that happened at

284
00:41:27,144 --> 00:41:27,704
that committee.

285
00:41:29,084 --> 00:41:33,004
Yes, uh, E Tran met, and, uh, a decision was made to

286
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hire the interim manager,

287
00:41:36,564 --> 00:41:40,224
who has been the treasurer for a long time,

288
00:41:40,324 --> 00:41:43,864
uh, and has stepped in previously as a, a interim

289
00:41:43,904 --> 00:41:47,324
manager, uh, to offer her the position of

290
00:41:47,424 --> 00:41:51,164
manager, and then go out for, uh, and look for

291
00:41:51,204 --> 00:41:54,444
a new finance director, uh, for E Tran.

292
00:41:54,484 --> 00:41:58,394
So that, uh, was, uh, a major thing that, uh, was

293
00:41:58,444 --> 00:42:01,064
accomplished there. Uh, we

294
00:42:02,684 --> 00:42:06,324
had originally scheduled a, uh, housing committee

295
00:42:06,484 --> 00:42:09,604
or a brownfield redevelopment committee, uh,

296
00:42:09,624 --> 00:42:13,324
meeting, um, that we had to cancel and

297
00:42:13,384 --> 00:42:17,254
move because, uh, the, uh, person from the state that was

298
00:42:17,284 --> 00:42:20,794
gonna present to us, um, was not, uh...

299
00:42:21,684 --> 00:42:25,564
Ended up having a sick child, so we, we have to re-, uh,

300
00:42:25,584 --> 00:42:29,184
redo it. So as soon as, uh, Selena gets it back on

301
00:42:29,264 --> 00:42:33,224
board, uh, we'll, we'll meet. So that's

302
00:42:33,284 --> 00:42:33,944
it.

303
00:42:38,544 --> 00:42:41,944
Uh, move on to the consent agenda.

304
00:42:42,004 --> 00:42:43,664
Move to approve.

305
00:42:44,444 --> 00:42:46,004
Second.

306
00:42:47,004 --> 00:42:48,184
... On the consent agenda

307
00:42:49,104 --> 00:42:51,584
is the approval of claims and expenditures totaling

308
00:42:51,824 --> 00:42:55,744
382,274.83.

309
00:42:57,284 --> 00:43:00,424
Approve renumbering of 2,026 resolutions

310
00:43:01,664 --> 00:43:03,494
that were just- they were just misnumbered.

311
00:43:03,504 --> 00:43:07,014
That's just a cleanup in the clerk's office.

312
00:43:07,044 --> 00:43:09,664
And ap- approve a request to apply for body camera

313
00:43:09,704 --> 00:43:13,434
grant from the police department, so that we know

314
00:43:13,484 --> 00:43:17,314
that... We don't know the price yet, how much, but we do know that they

315
00:43:17,604 --> 00:43:21,204
may be able to get a substantial amount of the grant.

316
00:43:21,214 --> 00:43:25,104
And the last is to approve a resolution, 202609, to close

317
00:43:25,164 --> 00:43:28,984
the 100 block of East Ceres for Needful Things anniversary

318
00:43:30,304 --> 00:43:33,074
eighth to May 10th, and that's just the 100 block.

319
00:43:33,124 --> 00:43:36,574
They're gonna have, uh, tents and

320
00:43:37,144 --> 00:43:40,944
food trucks and whatever, so it'll be... It's a good thing.

321
00:43:40,984 --> 00:43:43,684
Any questions on the consent agenda?

322
00:43:45,304 --> 00:43:46,664
All those in favor say aye.

323
00:43:46,784 --> 00:43:46,804
Aye.

324
00:43:46,844 --> 00:43:47,644
Aye.

325
00:43:47,684 --> 00:43:48,224
Opposed?

326
00:43:50,144 --> 00:43:53,084
Consent agenda's approved. Business agenda.

327
00:43:54,264 --> 00:43:58,204
Consider approval and adoption of the Community Development Block Grant Procurement

328
00:43:58,324 --> 00:43:59,344
Policy.

329
00:44:00,184 --> 00:44:01,924
Pretty much one more jumble,

330
00:44:02,764 --> 00:44:02,774
but-

331
00:44:02,824 --> 00:44:03,984
Yeah.

332
00:44:04,144 --> 00:44:05,404
Move to approve.

333
00:44:05,464 --> 00:44:06,504
So moved.

334
00:44:06,544 --> 00:44:10,324
Been moved and seconded to approve the procurement for that.

335
00:44:10,344 --> 00:44:13,084
Any discussion?

336
00:44:13,184 --> 00:44:17,074
Uh, I was hoping, uh, to have a little presentation on that,

337
00:44:17,104 --> 00:44:20,644
but I thought it read beautifully. Um, and it's...

338
00:44:20,664 --> 00:44:23,524
I don't know, for me, it's, it's kind of just what we've been looking for and

339
00:44:23,564 --> 00:44:26,164
working toward for the last year, so it's great.

340
00:44:26,904 --> 00:44:30,324
It's moving in the correct direction in what we're trying to do.

341
00:44:30,384 --> 00:44:32,984
Okay.

342
00:44:34,104 --> 00:44:34,574
Nothing more to add.

343
00:44:34,624 --> 00:44:36,584
Other comments?

344
00:44:37,844 --> 00:44:41,464
We're getting ready to... We've, we've voted on the consent agenda, now we're at

345
00:44:42,204 --> 00:44:45,714
A, approving the Community Development Block Grant Procurement

346
00:44:45,804 --> 00:44:46,604
Policy.

347
00:44:46,624 --> 00:44:46,854
It's leaving.

348
00:44:46,884 --> 00:44:48,564
Perfect. Thank you. Everything with that?

349
00:44:49,544 --> 00:44:49,784
Thanks.

350
00:44:49,804 --> 00:44:51,304
Did you have any comments on that?

351
00:44:51,364 --> 00:44:54,244
Oh, um, uh, can you say that again real quick?

352
00:44:54,284 --> 00:44:58,164
The procurement policy. Selena's been working on it.

353
00:44:58,204 --> 00:44:58,544
Job.

354
00:44:58,564 --> 00:44:58,924
You're good.

355
00:45:00,124 --> 00:45:02,404
All those in favor of the motion to approve, say aye.

356
00:45:02,413 --> 00:45:02,413
Aye.

357
00:45:02,444 --> 00:45:03,064
Aye.

358
00:45:03,084 --> 00:45:06,614
Opposed? Motion carries. Nice.

359
00:45:07,804 --> 00:45:11,524
Consider approval of sole source authorization, flow monitoring, and

360
00:45:11,564 --> 00:45:14,164
hydraulic modeling from Fishbeck.

361
00:45:14,224 --> 00:45:15,624
Is there a motion?

362
00:45:15,684 --> 00:45:16,664
Motion.

363
00:45:16,704 --> 00:45:17,124
Second.

364
00:45:17,134 --> 00:45:17,134
Second.

365
00:45:17,144 --> 00:45:21,084
Move. Second. Stephanie, you

366
00:45:21,104 --> 00:45:24,664
wanna come up and explain all this to us?

367
00:45:24,704 --> 00:45:26,504
Please.

368
00:45:27,384 --> 00:45:27,394
Sure.

369
00:45:27,444 --> 00:45:28,594
She's good.

370
00:45:28,624 --> 00:45:32,504
Tell us, just tell them what is- what- why are we having to do

371
00:45:32,604 --> 00:45:36,074
this, and... There's a, there's...

372
00:45:36,104 --> 00:45:37,584
Oh, she's got her own mic. She'll have to come up.

373
00:45:37,624 --> 00:45:38,064
Yeah.

374
00:45:38,124 --> 00:45:38,984
I'm sorry.

375
00:45:39,084 --> 00:45:42,104
Um, I guess I can give you a basic overview.

376
00:45:42,624 --> 00:45:44,824
Um, does anybody have questions, I guess, first?

377
00:45:44,844 --> 00:45:47,764
If there's specific questions I can answer,

378
00:45:48,764 --> 00:45:50,564
the- so I can try to cover those after-

379
00:45:50,584 --> 00:45:53,624
Why don't you, why don't you cover what the overview first, and then, 'cause

380
00:45:54,184 --> 00:45:56,984
Councilman Rodriguez has got some questions.

381
00:45:57,064 --> 00:46:00,564
Okay, so I think everybody's aware that the city would like to

382
00:46:00,604 --> 00:46:04,044
expand, um, including all the city staff.

383
00:46:04,084 --> 00:46:08,024
To do that, we need to make sure that the Lansing Lift Station can

384
00:46:08,084 --> 00:46:11,924
handle the capacity for all the, for all- everything that we'd

385
00:46:11,944 --> 00:46:14,844
like to add into the city that goes to that lift station.

386
00:46:14,884 --> 00:46:18,824
So, for instance, the one apartment complex that's coming to the

387
00:46:19,004 --> 00:46:22,904
planning commission, I think, for pre-approval, there's another

388
00:46:22,964 --> 00:46:26,624
apartment complex that wants to go in behind that, which is significantly

389
00:46:26,684 --> 00:46:30,253
larger. The Lansing Lift Station also is control-

390
00:46:30,253 --> 00:46:32,874
has all of the industrial park in it.

391
00:46:32,884 --> 00:46:36,304
I don't know if anybody's aware, but I'm applying for an EDA

392
00:46:36,404 --> 00:46:40,384
grant, which will pay for the industrial road to get

393
00:46:40,444 --> 00:46:43,684
in, um, the same thing we were asking for through Tom Barrett's

394
00:46:43,804 --> 00:46:47,264
office. Um, but this grant will also include,

395
00:46:47,364 --> 00:46:50,024
um, updating all of the wastewater

396
00:46:50,104 --> 00:46:53,584
infrastructure, including the Lansing Lift Station.

397
00:46:53,624 --> 00:46:57,544
Now, with that being said, all of these places, um, their sanitary

398
00:46:57,624 --> 00:46:59,804
sewer goes into this, to the Lansing Lift Station.

399
00:46:59,824 --> 00:47:03,484
So adding the apartment complexes,

400
00:47:03,544 --> 00:47:07,464
expanding the industrial park like we'd like to do, adding more industry out

401
00:47:07,503 --> 00:47:11,364
there, um, we have the Michigan Can line, who's

402
00:47:11,404 --> 00:47:15,134
not fully up and running yet. They still have about 50,000 gallons a day that

403
00:47:15,144 --> 00:47:19,124
they're gonna dump into, um, the Lansing Lift

404
00:47:19,184 --> 00:47:21,484
Station that they're not even doing yet.

405
00:47:21,584 --> 00:47:21,984
So

406
00:47:22,944 --> 00:47:26,724
with that being said, we need to have this study

407
00:47:26,764 --> 00:47:29,664
done to tell us where the

408
00:47:29,704 --> 00:47:33,604
capacity of that Lansing- of the Lansing Lift Station is, and what

409
00:47:33,624 --> 00:47:36,844
direction we need to move in to make sure that we are set up for the

410
00:47:36,884 --> 00:47:39,244
future, um, and whatever that

411
00:47:39,284 --> 00:47:41,484
entails.

412
00:47:43,584 --> 00:47:45,504
Do you have questions, Rodriguez? Go ahead.

413
00:47:45,544 --> 00:47:46,784
Yeah. Um, so

414
00:47:47,604 --> 00:47:51,304
one of the... And this is just purely because I'm, I most

415
00:47:51,324 --> 00:47:54,864
likely not educated on this, but, um,

416
00:47:55,984 --> 00:47:59,204
I mean, it's, it sounds like a good idea to work towards this

417
00:47:59,244 --> 00:48:02,364
process, but I worry about spending

418
00:48:02,384 --> 00:48:04,164
$52,000

419
00:48:05,224 --> 00:48:08,094
for first, you know, projects that are maybe.

420
00:48:08,144 --> 00:48:12,104
So, like, how, how confident are we that these projects

421
00:48:12,124 --> 00:48:15,024
would go through, I guess, would be my first question.

422
00:48:15,044 --> 00:48:18,904
Do we have any kind of promises from them that, you know, they're

423
00:48:18,944 --> 00:48:22,524
gonna build? I mean, obviously, it hasn't gone through planning commission, so-

424
00:48:22,564 --> 00:48:25,684
The one apartment complex is going through planning commission, I think, at this

425
00:48:25,724 --> 00:48:29,674
next meeting. Um, and the other one is in the

426
00:48:29,744 --> 00:48:33,554
works. They've got the, it all laid out and all of that stuff, so...

427
00:48:33,584 --> 00:48:37,284
Like, but how, how confident are we that this, this

428
00:48:37,664 --> 00:48:39,484
is going to happen?

429
00:48:39,524 --> 00:48:41,424
I'm not sure that I can answer that.

430
00:48:41,504 --> 00:48:44,643
Um, but besides that, I, I don't really think it matters.

431
00:48:44,704 --> 00:48:44,784
Okay.

432
00:48:44,824 --> 00:48:48,544
I think if we wanna do any expansion in any portion of the city-

433
00:48:48,836 --> 00:48:50,476
... this study's gonna have to be done.

434
00:48:50,516 --> 00:48:53,956
Yeah, that lead to my second question then, and that is, what kind of

435
00:48:54,016 --> 00:48:57,896
costs are we talking about to possibly

436
00:48:57,936 --> 00:49:01,516
have to upgrade this? Because that's another question.

437
00:49:01,576 --> 00:49:05,356
You can do a study, and you can get information, but my-

438
00:49:05,456 --> 00:49:08,476
I'm imagining it's gonna cost a lot, and if you don't actually have

439
00:49:08,536 --> 00:49:12,456
a, um, you know, the money to do it, well, then we also

440
00:49:12,496 --> 00:49:16,216
paid 52,000 for a study that now we're not gonna use,

441
00:49:16,276 --> 00:49:20,196
which a few of us up here, we've been here a while, we've paid for

442
00:49:20,216 --> 00:49:23,996
a few studies that we ended up not using forever, and, and

443
00:49:24,096 --> 00:49:26,016
we feel like, okay, this is a giant waste.

444
00:49:26,056 --> 00:49:26,196
So

445
00:49:27,096 --> 00:49:30,836
what is, uh... I guess, what kind of expenses are we

446
00:49:30,856 --> 00:49:31,676
looking at

447
00:49:32,536 --> 00:49:34,716
if we do have to try to upgrade these?

448
00:49:35,276 --> 00:49:38,736
Wi- once the study's done, they'll, they'll provide an engineering

449
00:49:38,836 --> 00:49:42,636
estimate for, first and foremost, what the

450
00:49:42,656 --> 00:49:46,006
capacity upgrade needs to be, because you can't really base it on anything

451
00:49:46,536 --> 00:49:50,436
until you know what it is. Uh, but ballpark figures, I was talking

452
00:49:50,456 --> 00:49:53,036
with Vince earlier, is probably about a million dollars.

453
00:49:53,056 --> 00:49:57,036
But again, if you don't, if you don't in- if we don't invest it into the

454
00:49:57,076 --> 00:50:00,246
infrastructure, we're never expanding...

455
00:50:00,256 --> 00:50:03,676
we're never gonna be able to expand, and I think that is the main

456
00:50:03,996 --> 00:50:07,616
goal I thought of most of you up there.

457
00:50:07,656 --> 00:50:10,496
Yeah. Well, I definitely... Oh, I'm sorry. Click it to you.

458
00:50:10,536 --> 00:50:13,776
Yeah, I, I, I'm absolutely for expanding.

459
00:50:13,836 --> 00:50:17,176
I just, I'm nervous about spending 52,000

460
00:50:18,016 --> 00:50:21,716
when we have no promises of anybody actually expanding right

461
00:50:21,816 --> 00:50:25,256
now. And then also, I don't know where the money would come to do the

462
00:50:25,336 --> 00:50:28,956
upgrades that we would need to do. Would that have to come from, from a grant, or

463
00:50:28,976 --> 00:50:32,916
would we pull that from the, you know, water and sewer fund?

464
00:50:32,956 --> 00:50:35,476
'Cause I, I don't really know exactly right now what the

465
00:50:36,296 --> 00:50:39,036
liquid or unassigned funds are for.

466
00:50:39,396 --> 00:50:43,376
So with the EDA, uh, grant I'm applying for right now, this will be in the

467
00:50:43,416 --> 00:50:47,256
grant package. Um, we- if we don't get the grant, it'll come

468
00:50:47,296 --> 00:50:49,916
from water and sewer funds, and we have the fund balance for that.

469
00:50:50,696 --> 00:50:53,556
Okay. Is this something... Just 'cause I don't know, is this something that you

470
00:50:53,676 --> 00:50:57,576
could, um... Like, typically when it comes to

471
00:50:57,675 --> 00:51:01,086
getting a grant, is the, you know, professional

472
00:51:01,136 --> 00:51:05,036
services to look into that, could that be something that's included into a

473
00:51:05,076 --> 00:51:08,676
grant, or are most grants gonna expect you to already have this, this study

474
00:51:08,736 --> 00:51:09,276
done?

475
00:51:09,316 --> 00:51:13,146
It depends, but the EDA grant in particular that we're going after right

476
00:51:13,176 --> 00:51:16,066
now will not include engineering design services.

477
00:51:16,096 --> 00:51:17,606
It's just the c- the construct.

478
00:51:18,116 --> 00:51:21,756
All right. I, I think that's all my questions for now. Thanks.

479
00:51:21,836 --> 00:51:24,356
I'd like to answer two of those questions that haven't been covered.

480
00:51:24,456 --> 00:51:28,305
One is that we've, in the last year, we've spent, um, this

481
00:51:28,356 --> 00:51:31,936
piece of property, or these pieces of property, have risen to the top

482
00:51:32,056 --> 00:51:35,136
as clearly the lowest hanging fruit and the most

483
00:51:35,456 --> 00:51:39,096
delicious fruit for developers in the area.

484
00:51:39,156 --> 00:51:42,676
They want it. It's not us, it's the developers.

485
00:51:42,736 --> 00:51:46,596
So you can't call that a promise, but I can tell you that they're

486
00:51:46,656 --> 00:51:50,616
talking to each other to see who wants to partner with whom for these specific

487
00:51:50,626 --> 00:51:51,636
pieces of property.

488
00:51:52,756 --> 00:51:56,156
So if anything's gonna be built, this is first.

489
00:51:56,236 --> 00:51:58,016
Uh, what was the second one? Let me see.

490
00:51:58,076 --> 00:51:59,296
I do have something to add to that.

491
00:51:59,336 --> 00:51:59,706
Yeah, go ahead.

492
00:51:59,896 --> 00:52:03,776
Charlotte, Charlotte Anodizing out at the, um, at the industrial park

493
00:52:03,856 --> 00:52:07,086
has made a commitment, and actually, it's gonna be in part of their letter that

494
00:52:07,116 --> 00:52:11,016
they do for the EDA grant, a commitment to, um, buy

495
00:52:11,056 --> 00:52:13,176
the land out there and build, build to fit structure.

496
00:52:13,196 --> 00:52:16,856
So they'll have to say, "We are going to commit X million

497
00:52:16,896 --> 00:52:20,856
dollars for the industrial park if this road gets built." So

498
00:52:20,916 --> 00:52:22,116
there is investment.

499
00:52:22,156 --> 00:52:26,096
Well, the other, just a, uh, it, it's, it's the basis of why I

500
00:52:26,176 --> 00:52:29,776
asked the brownfield question, because this is a development in a brownfield, and

501
00:52:29,816 --> 00:52:32,856
this, this he- and I'm, I'm curious as to

502
00:52:33,556 --> 00:52:37,525
if, if we are getting the same arrangement out of that with these developers as

503
00:52:37,596 --> 00:52:39,416
we are with Shift, et cetera, et cetera.

504
00:52:39,426 --> 00:52:43,186
And I'd be anxious looking, like, what's the tax policy for this? What...

505
00:52:43,196 --> 00:52:44,296
How does this work out?

506
00:52:44,336 --> 00:52:47,696
Yeah, that, that may very well be a consideration, where you do provide some

507
00:52:47,736 --> 00:52:51,716
incentive related to some of the reimbursement for whatever environmental

508
00:52:51,776 --> 00:52:55,656
remediation may take place. But certainly through the brownfield as well

509
00:52:55,716 --> 00:52:59,696
as the council, uh, that's a decision that you would make, uh,

510
00:52:59,716 --> 00:53:03,636
and sometimes that's just what gets projects over the top, is, uh, that sort of

511
00:53:03,676 --> 00:53:04,656
incentive, so.

512
00:53:05,275 --> 00:53:08,256
And, and it has been part of the conversations we've been having with the

513
00:53:08,275 --> 00:53:08,976
developers-

514
00:53:08,986 --> 00:53:08,986
Yeah

515
00:53:09,176 --> 00:53:10,676
... and, and, you know, we call it stacking.

516
00:53:10,696 --> 00:53:11,076
But yeah-

517
00:53:11,086 --> 00:53:11,086
Yeah

518
00:53:11,096 --> 00:53:14,276
... that's one, that's one of the reasons this piece of property looks prime to

519
00:53:14,336 --> 00:53:17,396
these people. Um, anyway, that's it.

520
00:53:19,956 --> 00:53:20,916
Mr. Christensen.

521
00:53:20,956 --> 00:53:24,196
Thank you. I think there's been quite a thirst in this town for

522
00:53:24,616 --> 00:53:27,016
housing, and it's, this has been building for a while.

523
00:53:27,036 --> 00:53:30,386
We've, we've talked about it, and, you know, they've expressed their concerns to

524
00:53:30,416 --> 00:53:33,076
the county. That's in the process of changing.

525
00:53:33,176 --> 00:53:37,116
Uh, so these folks are willing and able to come in and spend some dollars and

526
00:53:37,136 --> 00:53:39,886
make some investments. Uh, um,

527
00:53:40,796 --> 00:53:44,396
I mean, if, if it won't flow, we can't grow. It's that simple.

528
00:53:44,476 --> 00:53:47,636
So, I mean, I think this is a no-brainer for us.

529
00:53:47,676 --> 00:53:51,156
Um, you know, we were the ones sitting here

530
00:53:51,336 --> 00:53:55,196
wanting for this to happen, and I, I wanna- I don't see where we wanna hold

531
00:53:55,236 --> 00:53:58,356
anything up if, uh... I don't want it on my watch anyway.

532
00:53:58,756 --> 00:54:00,696
So, thanks.

533
00:54:00,736 --> 00:54:03,016
Mr. Avery, do you have something?

534
00:54:03,056 --> 00:54:07,016
Yeah, just, um, you know, and, and talking, uh, w- with

535
00:54:07,116 --> 00:54:10,796
the, the, the, uh, developers that we have, um,

536
00:54:11,496 --> 00:54:15,476
the question of infrastructure, uh, does rise to the

537
00:54:15,556 --> 00:54:19,176
top. And, and, you know, they wanna know, um,

538
00:54:19,196 --> 00:54:23,165
because that's, that's a concern of theirs, is the, the cost if

539
00:54:23,236 --> 00:54:25,836
they have to do all the infrastructure.

540
00:54:25,936 --> 00:54:29,696
Uh, in order for us to be competitive in the marketplace with other

541
00:54:29,796 --> 00:54:33,296
cities or other locations, uh, we need to

542
00:54:33,336 --> 00:54:36,356
demonstrate that we have the capacity to do, do

543
00:54:36,476 --> 00:54:40,316
that. Uh, and, you know, that's, that's one of

544
00:54:40,356 --> 00:54:44,186
the, the key issues that, uh, we're dealing with, uh,

545
00:54:44,216 --> 00:54:48,146
with some of these developers, a- as well as, uh,

546
00:54:48,176 --> 00:54:49,136
the, the fact that

547
00:54:50,296 --> 00:54:50,776
um-

548
00:54:51,252 --> 00:54:52,332
... you know, with the

549
00:54:53,192 --> 00:54:56,872
issue with the brownfield, uh, sites and, and what we can do with

550
00:54:56,912 --> 00:54:59,672
those, and, um, that, that type of thing.

551
00:54:59,732 --> 00:55:03,012
So, uh, it's important. I, I think the, the

552
00:55:03,152 --> 00:55:06,852
issue, uh, is that we need to know what

553
00:55:07,551 --> 00:55:10,852
w- what capacity that we have before we start

554
00:55:10,972 --> 00:55:14,932
promising some of these developers that we can take care of it,

555
00:55:14,952 --> 00:55:18,892
and fin- find out that, uh, w- we're way short,

556
00:55:18,932 --> 00:55:21,632
and we've got to do something, uh, about it.

557
00:55:21,692 --> 00:55:25,552
So, uh, this study is, is certainly one that

558
00:55:25,592 --> 00:55:29,232
will give us that information. Uh, the only issue that I

559
00:55:29,332 --> 00:55:32,912
have is, and, and, uh, e- even though I'm in

560
00:55:32,992 --> 00:55:36,512
strong support, uh, the f- the issue of sole

561
00:55:36,612 --> 00:55:40,272
source is, again, uh, a big issue for me.

562
00:55:40,372 --> 00:55:43,352
Uh, and, uh, I, I don't see it meeting

563
00:55:43,912 --> 00:55:47,092
the, uh, policy requirements, uh,

564
00:55:47,952 --> 00:55:51,132
from the, the standpoint of, uh, what was

565
00:55:51,192 --> 00:55:54,172
established in the, in the purchasing policy.

566
00:55:54,232 --> 00:55:58,112
So, um, a- again, uh, no-bid service

567
00:55:58,212 --> 00:56:01,672
contracts are a big issue for me because of the fact

568
00:56:01,712 --> 00:56:05,232
that everyone that I've pushed to bid

569
00:56:05,672 --> 00:56:09,332
has ended up costing far less than w- uh, what

570
00:56:09,412 --> 00:56:11,112
was, uh, uh,

571
00:56:12,332 --> 00:56:15,852
proposed in the first place. So, uh, I don't see

572
00:56:15,892 --> 00:56:19,712
that, uh, having, uh, a bid, uh,

573
00:56:20,332 --> 00:56:22,632
for the services, uh,

574
00:56:24,192 --> 00:56:27,672
does anything but make sure that, uh, the amount of money that we're

575
00:56:27,792 --> 00:56:31,362
spending is, is in line. Uh, the other

576
00:56:31,452 --> 00:56:35,132
thing, though, is, and I didn't see it in, in the paperwork, and

577
00:56:35,232 --> 00:56:38,912
I'll open it up, uh, for the manager

578
00:56:39,052 --> 00:56:42,612
to, to tell me that, uh, Fishbeck is the only

579
00:56:42,692 --> 00:56:45,792
company that knows how to do and, and have- are

580
00:56:45,852 --> 00:56:48,902
qualified, uh, to do this type of, uh,

581
00:56:49,652 --> 00:56:53,212
uh, service. Um, are there other

582
00:56:53,372 --> 00:56:57,192
companies out there that do the same kind of work, uh, from that

583
00:56:57,232 --> 00:57:00,012
standpoint? So, that's all.

584
00:57:00,651 --> 00:57:01,792
Do you have an answer for that?

585
00:57:01,832 --> 00:57:04,472
Yes. Uh, there are other firms that can do the work.

586
00:57:04,552 --> 00:57:08,432
Uh, one of the reasons I support the sole source is that, uh, Fishbeck does

587
00:57:08,492 --> 00:57:12,292
have our GIS system, our water reliability, our water

588
00:57:12,392 --> 00:57:16,212
system modeled, and, and I think, uh, the cost of if you

589
00:57:16,272 --> 00:57:19,692
brought it out with another firm, trying to incorporate that in will add some

590
00:57:19,732 --> 00:57:23,612
additional cost, taking data from one engineering company to another.

591
00:57:23,692 --> 00:57:27,552
I do believe it's good to have a consulting, uh, a base

592
00:57:27,612 --> 00:57:31,052
consulting firm, you know, for these type of relationships.

593
00:57:31,092 --> 00:57:34,612
But, you know, even last week, Stephanie and I had a discussion

594
00:57:34,672 --> 00:57:38,492
about, uh, can we go out and just do a quality-based selection process

595
00:57:38,552 --> 00:57:42,452
for, for specific- for projects in general, and where you

596
00:57:42,492 --> 00:57:45,892
have four or five, which is not uncommon, and then when a project comes up

597
00:57:45,972 --> 00:57:48,972
here, uh, the four or five can compete, that we're

598
00:57:49,132 --> 00:57:51,832
pre-qualified and selected to be part of a process.

599
00:57:51,852 --> 00:57:55,612
But, but this one here, because of the GIS system that we have, uh, that they

600
00:57:55,692 --> 00:57:59,232
maintain for us, uh, uh, as well as, uh, the water,

601
00:57:59,332 --> 00:58:03,162
uh, modeling that, uh, that's already in place, I think it, it makes sense

602
00:58:03,332 --> 00:58:05,612
just from that sole source standpoint.

603
00:58:07,842 --> 00:58:09,652
Mr. Rodriguez, you have a question?

604
00:58:09,692 --> 00:58:11,302
Yeah, I have first have a question for you.

605
00:58:11,352 --> 00:58:14,832
In, in the past, you've talked about, I think, that property back there, something

606
00:58:14,932 --> 00:58:17,352
about the property not being suitable.

607
00:58:17,372 --> 00:58:19,552
There's an old, uh, junk site or something.

608
00:58:19,612 --> 00:58:22,572
Is that, is that the same property we're talking about or something else?

609
00:58:22,632 --> 00:58:24,242
That's the same property, but with the brown-

610
00:58:24,252 --> 00:58:25,742
But they are able to build on it?

611
00:58:26,312 --> 00:58:28,422
Yeah, the brownfield redevelopment would be able to...

612
00:58:28,432 --> 00:58:31,772
They would be able to use the money to get rid of all the bad

613
00:58:31,832 --> 00:58:32,472
soil-

614
00:58:32,572 --> 00:58:32,702
Mm-hmm

615
00:58:33,112 --> 00:58:36,092
... and then use it as buildable ground.

616
00:58:36,152 --> 00:58:39,752
Okay. Um, I also have a question around, like,

617
00:58:39,832 --> 00:58:42,352
uh, cost recovery analysis, right?

618
00:58:42,372 --> 00:58:45,072
So if you do- if you

619
00:58:46,272 --> 00:58:50,192
expand the housing base, you increase, you know, taxable

620
00:58:50,292 --> 00:58:53,992
revenue. Like, do we have an idea realistically of,

621
00:58:54,032 --> 00:58:57,152
okay, these properties go in, what's the realistic

622
00:58:57,162 --> 00:59:01,082
timeline between getting our million dollars for upgrading

623
00:59:01,132 --> 00:59:04,582
this service and our other fifty-two thousand for doing this, uh,

624
00:59:05,492 --> 00:59:09,152
study? Like, what's the timeline for actually recouping that money?

625
00:59:09,272 --> 00:59:09,512
Um,

626
00:59:10,932 --> 00:59:13,312
is that something we've, we've looked at, or no?

627
00:59:13,332 --> 00:59:13,612
Because-

628
00:59:13,632 --> 00:59:15,112
Well, you can make some scenarios.

629
00:59:15,152 --> 00:59:18,581
I mean, part of it is you have to identify what kind of development and

630
00:59:18,652 --> 00:59:22,562
intensity you would expect long term, not just with this site, but other

631
00:59:22,592 --> 00:59:24,081
areas, like in the industrial site.

632
00:59:24,232 --> 00:59:24,592
Mm-hmm.

633
00:59:24,602 --> 00:59:28,252
You probably want to carry it forward just for the entire rest of the city.

634
00:59:28,272 --> 00:59:31,492
Uh, think of this as just one of, what, six collection systems that you

635
00:59:31,592 --> 00:59:35,472
have. And, and so some of it's just based on

636
00:59:35,532 --> 00:59:38,772
some assumptions that you're going to make. Uh, how's the economy going?

637
00:59:38,852 --> 00:59:42,732
Uh, you know, sometimes, uh, you- you're rolling pretty good, and then you have a

638
00:59:42,792 --> 00:59:46,552
great recession, and things slow down for four or five years, and then you get

639
00:59:46,612 --> 00:59:49,472
a, a pandemic, and it slows down again.

640
00:59:49,512 --> 00:59:53,052
And so there's, there- but you make assumptions as to, you know, how fast it can

641
00:59:53,112 --> 00:59:56,872
happen, uh, uh, whether it comes to fruition, positive or

642
00:59:56,952 --> 01:00:00,112
negative, it's just a function of mar- uh, marketplace and environment.

643
01:00:00,152 --> 01:00:04,022
But, uh, but we can make assumptions that, uh, you know, with the, the

644
01:00:04,092 --> 01:00:07,152
development in the area that you're looking about, what the intensity would look

645
01:00:07,192 --> 01:00:10,322
like and what the long-term payback is, uh, uh, for

646
01:00:10,412 --> 01:00:14,272
that. Uh, but there, you know, to get a precise, uh, a quick

647
01:00:14,372 --> 01:00:18,312
turnaround, uh, you know, I think there's a start, and these

648
01:00:18,332 --> 01:00:21,912
things take momentum, too. Once when the snowball's rolling, it, it goes pretty

649
01:00:21,972 --> 01:00:25,452
quick. Uh, if you're con- perceived as being

650
01:00:25,512 --> 01:00:28,452
very, um, easy to work with,

651
01:00:28,512 --> 01:00:32,352
reasonable, developers talk, and,

652
01:00:32,472 --> 01:00:33,192
and you're in great-

653
01:00:34,192 --> 01:00:36,932
you're really in a good spot in relationship to where Lansing is.

654
01:00:36,992 --> 01:00:40,492
Easy access, uh, to anywhere in the Lansing

655
01:00:40,552 --> 01:00:44,432
area, and it's affordable. I think those are the certain qualities

656
01:00:44,492 --> 01:00:47,012
that, that, uh, that they look in the marketplace.

657
01:00:47,052 --> 01:00:50,252
The rest is something that you can help with, uh, in making it that much more

658
01:00:50,292 --> 01:00:51,292
attractive for them, so.

659
01:00:52,256 --> 01:00:55,416
... I'm not sure I gave you a straight answer, but, uh, but it, uh-

660
01:00:55,516 --> 01:00:59,216
No, I actually appreciate that answer, and it actually made me think of, uh,

661
01:00:59,276 --> 01:01:01,836
something I didn't think of, and that is, of course, you know, upgrading the

662
01:01:01,876 --> 01:01:03,966
systems is not just for this one project.

663
01:01:04,056 --> 01:01:07,716
Obviously, it does- it can carry over into other projects, which I don't know why I

664
01:01:07,756 --> 01:01:11,596
wasn't thinking of. Um, the last thing I think it was brought up about

665
01:01:11,656 --> 01:01:14,976
the, the road that we're putting into the industrial park,

666
01:01:15,776 --> 01:01:18,936
isn't... I, I know it's kind of off topic, but it's sort of there.

667
01:01:18,956 --> 01:01:22,876
It was brought up. Um, the, isn't there specific

668
01:01:23,036 --> 01:01:26,836
funds that we can only use towards the industrial

669
01:01:27,896 --> 01:01:31,816
park, and is money from- is that money being used for that, and

670
01:01:31,876 --> 01:01:32,036
do we-

671
01:01:32,116 --> 01:01:35,336
So the LDFA, and that will be the grant match

672
01:01:36,416 --> 01:01:38,556
for the grant that we're going after, if we get it.

673
01:01:38,596 --> 01:01:42,546
So the million dollars in the LDFA will be our grant match, and then

674
01:01:42,656 --> 01:01:45,796
the Michigan Infrastructure Office gave us $500,000.

675
01:01:45,816 --> 01:01:49,166
So we'll go in with a $1.5 million match for this grant.

676
01:01:49,916 --> 01:01:51,206
When you say this grant, you're talking about the-

677
01:01:51,206 --> 01:01:51,956
EDA grant.

678
01:01:53,676 --> 01:01:54,836
I haven't applied for it yet.

679
01:01:54,996 --> 01:01:55,006
Oh.

680
01:01:55,016 --> 01:01:57,566
That's coming next... I'll bring that to you guys next council meeting.

681
01:01:57,576 --> 01:02:00,716
We're waiting on some, some final numbers for budgeting, but-

682
01:02:00,776 --> 01:02:03,696
So the EDA grant... Sorry, I'm-

683
01:02:03,716 --> 01:02:07,316
Disaster fund. I came to you with the build grant the last time for this downtown

684
01:02:07,396 --> 01:02:08,196
reconstruct.

685
01:02:08,216 --> 01:02:08,516
Mm-hmm.

686
01:02:08,536 --> 01:02:12,456
The EDA disaster fund grant is a different grant.

687
01:02:12,476 --> 01:02:15,696
That's, I'm hoping to submit for on March 12th.

688
01:02:15,756 --> 01:02:17,256
And that's gonna go towards this?

689
01:02:17,316 --> 01:02:19,776
And all the wastewater stuff. Yep.

690
01:02:19,816 --> 01:02:20,886
Okay.

691
01:02:21,896 --> 01:02:23,056
All right.

692
01:02:23,876 --> 01:02:25,236
Mr. Christenson.

693
01:02:25,296 --> 01:02:28,456
Just a quick question. Now, let's say we have the study

694
01:02:28,466 --> 01:02:31,916
done. They determine that it won't handle

695
01:02:31,976 --> 01:02:35,576
it. Are we gonna be able to in- do something to

696
01:02:35,616 --> 01:02:39,516
increase with what we have with some addition, or would we

697
01:02:39,556 --> 01:02:43,416
be talking about a complete reconstruct for something that can handle it

698
01:02:43,456 --> 01:02:46,966
if that number happens to be high? I guess I'm just a little confused how much that

699
01:02:47,036 --> 01:02:48,116
can be upgraded.

700
01:02:48,196 --> 01:02:49,396
I don't know.

701
01:02:49,436 --> 01:02:49,916
Okay.

702
01:02:49,976 --> 01:02:50,816
I don't know.

703
01:02:50,876 --> 01:02:53,366
I think, I think we need to all pull back from...

704
01:02:53,376 --> 01:02:56,576
You know, the, the vote is for the, the study.

705
01:02:56,616 --> 01:02:59,676
The study might come back and say, "You got enough room."

706
01:02:59,696 --> 01:03:00,016
Mm-hmm.

707
01:03:00,375 --> 01:03:00,866
Yep. Yep.

708
01:03:00,875 --> 01:03:03,606
And, you know, I wanna go clear back to the start of this, too.

709
01:03:03,636 --> 01:03:07,225
When we talk about lift stations, a lot of people don't know, this is actually a

710
01:03:07,236 --> 01:03:11,056
pump station, and here, this... Because everything drains to this one,

711
01:03:11,556 --> 01:03:14,816
this, in this area, and then it's force fed,

712
01:03:14,856 --> 01:03:18,776
pumped, clear down to Shepard Street, and then it gravity feeds clear to

713
01:03:18,796 --> 01:03:20,776
Terrell, then comes back to the plant.

714
01:03:21,176 --> 01:03:21,366
Yeah.

715
01:03:21,576 --> 01:03:25,556
So there's a lot of open things. If it's a 10-inch main, it's, it's pumped

716
01:03:25,576 --> 01:03:28,376
through, that's probably quite a lot of room in that.

717
01:03:28,396 --> 01:03:32,316
You know, maybe an upgrade, if we had to do an upgrade, maybe it's, uh, another

718
01:03:32,396 --> 01:03:35,576
pump or two. I don't know. But you need to get the study

719
01:03:35,656 --> 01:03:38,576
done before you can

720
01:03:39,336 --> 01:03:42,636
decide what you wanna do or even think about how you're gonna pay for

721
01:03:42,716 --> 01:03:46,706
it. Um, the, I d- I don't see... I

722
01:03:46,716 --> 01:03:50,496
mean, obviously, I agree with Mr. Chinn

723
01:03:50,556 --> 01:03:52,016
that it'd be great, but

724
01:03:53,536 --> 01:03:56,736
bid it out. But in this case, to get it timely

725
01:03:56,856 --> 01:04:00,626
done, I, I'm, I, I think, yeah, the...

726
01:04:00,696 --> 01:04:04,256
I agree with the manager on that one, that the company probably

727
01:04:04,996 --> 01:04:08,896
is gonna be our best bet, uh, to get it done, though, having to

728
01:04:08,916 --> 01:04:12,836
bid it out. 'Cause you're talking a few months, and I know they

729
01:04:12,896 --> 01:04:16,756
talked about the, uh... Some, if you read through

730
01:04:16,836 --> 01:04:17,876
that, you know, they talked about

731
01:04:18,856 --> 01:04:22,496
stormwater and things like that when the storm comes, and that's because

732
01:04:23,056 --> 01:04:26,996
stormwater can leak into the sanitary sewer system,

733
01:04:27,016 --> 01:04:30,916
and then, then that has to be processed also, and that's why they

734
01:04:30,976 --> 01:04:33,686
need to do that. So we're not talking about looking at our storm sewer.

735
01:04:33,696 --> 01:04:37,126
We don't care what they drain off. The parking lot goes to the Butternut Creek or

736
01:04:37,176 --> 01:04:40,996
down to the Battle Creek. It gets there, there's big mains that go through

737
01:04:41,076 --> 01:04:44,996
that. But so I think we need to focus on, do you wanna do

738
01:04:45,036 --> 01:04:48,936
a study, and do you want to... I think we all wanna do a study,

739
01:04:48,976 --> 01:04:52,236
but do we want to allow it to be done as a sole

740
01:04:52,376 --> 01:04:56,156
surface- sole source purchase? That's really what we're

741
01:04:56,196 --> 01:04:59,056
voting on. Mr. Rodriguez.

742
01:04:59,156 --> 01:05:00,736
I, I, I think I probably agree with

743
01:05:02,136 --> 01:05:05,876
Mr. Chinn here mostly. I'm still not sure how I feel about the sole

744
01:05:05,976 --> 01:05:08,056
source, but I feel like I'm leaning that way.

745
01:05:08,076 --> 01:05:11,496
Perhaps I, I need to be, you know, given more

746
01:05:11,536 --> 01:05:14,156
information or there's something I'm not understanding.

747
01:05:14,166 --> 01:05:17,376
The other question I wanna ask, though, is,

748
01:05:17,496 --> 01:05:21,276
um, was this study

749
01:05:21,396 --> 01:05:24,906
planned in advance? I can't, I can't remember if this was part of our

750
01:05:25,036 --> 01:05:28,676
budget or if this is something that's come up as a result of the

751
01:05:28,716 --> 01:05:31,476
housing committee and the work that everybody's been

752
01:05:31,536 --> 01:05:33,176
doing.

753
01:05:33,996 --> 01:05:37,616
No, it wasn't planned for. This is a result of all of the...

754
01:05:37,676 --> 01:05:39,636
Everybody wanting to come in here and build.

755
01:05:39,656 --> 01:05:39,796
Yeah.

756
01:05:39,836 --> 01:05:42,216
It just has to be done.

757
01:05:42,296 --> 01:05:42,866
And, um,

758
01:05:44,096 --> 01:05:47,096
and so would this just be paid from fund balance of the general

759
01:05:47,196 --> 01:05:48,116
fund?

760
01:05:48,156 --> 01:05:51,156
Water and sewer funds, unless we get the grant.

761
01:05:51,816 --> 01:05:53,656
All right. I have no further questions. Thank you.

762
01:05:53,696 --> 01:05:54,645
Come on, the enterprise fund.

763
01:05:54,645 --> 01:05:55,476
Can I just do one?

764
01:05:55,496 --> 01:05:56,476
Mr. Scott.

765
01:05:56,516 --> 01:05:59,136
I just wanna clarify what she just said.

766
01:05:59,145 --> 01:06:02,696
The reason we're talking about this space is, regardless of what we were all

767
01:06:02,736 --> 01:06:06,316
thinking on the housing committee of where we thought houses would go and should go

768
01:06:06,376 --> 01:06:09,226
in this town, this is the place where the builders who are actually coming into

769
01:06:09,316 --> 01:06:13,196
town have decided they want them to go, and nobody has said a

770
01:06:13,216 --> 01:06:15,196
word about the places that we desire.

771
01:06:15,216 --> 01:06:17,836
This is where they desire.

772
01:06:18,876 --> 01:06:19,796
Mr. Newlon.

773
01:06:19,876 --> 01:06:23,176
Um, just one more thing on, you know, the sole,

774
01:06:23,276 --> 01:06:26,136
um, bids and, and that sort of thing.

775
01:06:26,236 --> 01:06:30,126
Uh, you know, being in environmental field and, and

776
01:06:30,176 --> 01:06:30,836
that sort of thing,

777
01:06:31,776 --> 01:06:35,426
once you establish with, you know, an environmental, uh,

778
01:06:35,456 --> 01:06:39,256
consulting firm, uh, usually, you know, they're, they're going

779
01:06:39,316 --> 01:06:43,156
out and, and providing these costs and, and that sort of

780
01:06:43,196 --> 01:06:47,136
thing, you know? But I'm sure that along the way, they've bid

781
01:06:47,196 --> 01:06:51,176
against other, uh, consulting firms and

782
01:06:51,216 --> 01:06:54,726
that sort of thing for other projects within the city, and

783
01:06:54,776 --> 01:06:58,516
evidently, we- they have won bids, you know, along the

784
01:06:58,616 --> 01:07:02,516
years of doing this. So they've kinda got a proven track record that

785
01:07:02,556 --> 01:07:05,774
they're gonna come in as probably one of the best-...

786
01:07:05,774 --> 01:07:09,624
priced, uh, you know, agencies or consulting firms, you know, out

787
01:07:09,664 --> 01:07:13,184
there. So that kind of gives me a little, you know,

788
01:07:13,264 --> 01:07:16,984
uh, uh, confidence that, you know, we're in the

789
01:07:17,004 --> 01:07:20,844
ballpark of where we need to be, you know, within, you know, maybe a

790
01:07:20,904 --> 01:07:24,804
couple thousand dollars. But, uh, you know, with the history that we've got

791
01:07:24,844 --> 01:07:28,574
identified here and, and, you know, all the other stuff that's

792
01:07:28,604 --> 01:07:32,324
going on, it, it makes me pretty confident that, you know, Fishbeck

793
01:07:32,404 --> 01:07:35,084
is, is providing a, a fair and, and reliable

794
01:07:35,224 --> 01:07:36,704
quote.

795
01:07:39,124 --> 01:07:39,844
Okay.

796
01:07:41,184 --> 01:07:43,534
Um, so the motion would be that we...

797
01:07:43,564 --> 01:07:47,504
And the motion was made to, would actually authorize the public works

798
01:07:47,544 --> 01:07:50,944
director to execute the professional service agreement with Fishbeck on a sole

799
01:07:51,044 --> 01:07:53,983
source basis in the amount not to exceed

800
01:07:54,164 --> 01:07:56,664
52,000. Take a roll call

801
01:07:56,724 --> 01:07:58,184
vote.

802
01:07:59,164 --> 01:08:00,024
Fullerton?

803
01:08:00,084 --> 01:08:00,944
Yes.

804
01:08:00,984 --> 01:08:01,524
Chin?

805
01:08:01,584 --> 01:08:02,024
No.

806
01:08:02,744 --> 01:08:03,424
Newman?

807
01:08:03,484 --> 01:08:03,794
Yes.

808
01:08:04,704 --> 01:08:05,864
Christensen? Yes.

809
01:08:06,844 --> 01:08:07,444
Scott?

810
01:08:07,464 --> 01:08:07,854
Yes.

811
01:08:08,184 --> 01:08:09,284
Rodrigues?

812
01:08:09,324 --> 01:08:11,104
Yes.

813
01:08:11,144 --> 01:08:12,444
And let's end.

814
01:08:12,464 --> 01:08:14,224
Okay, motion carries.

815
01:08:15,224 --> 01:08:17,264
Next is consider approval

816
01:08:18,664 --> 01:08:21,804
of a request, requested input from the clerk's office,

817
01:08:22,704 --> 01:08:25,525
and I'll give you just a little history of that, why we're doing

818
01:08:25,544 --> 01:08:29,164
this. And I know we went through the budget last

819
01:08:29,244 --> 01:08:33,184
year, and we cut out of the, uh, conference and

820
01:08:33,464 --> 01:08:37,384
registration from the council, and we cut it down,

821
01:08:37,445 --> 01:08:41,324
and we put $5,000 in there. So during this year,

822
01:08:41,364 --> 01:08:44,324
the 5,000 was spent, and 1,900 was

823
01:08:44,424 --> 01:08:47,924
added. That was spent, and now we still owe

824
01:08:48,144 --> 01:08:51,624
2,000 that has to be transferred. Um,

825
01:08:51,844 --> 01:08:55,655
so, you know, when we come to this budget this year, if we got, you

826
01:08:55,684 --> 01:08:58,964
know... It's okay, but we gotta remember

827
01:08:59,025 --> 01:09:02,945
that... I guess what I'm saying, that my, my old department

828
01:09:02,964 --> 01:09:06,164
head is coming out of me now. If, if I was a department head coming back here and

829
01:09:06,204 --> 01:09:10,144
saying, "Well, I need to- I need some more money, I already spent it," is that

830
01:09:10,155 --> 01:09:12,584
all right with you guys? It'd be a little late, wouldn't it?

831
01:09:13,304 --> 01:09:16,644
So everything's gonna go through the clerk's office.

832
01:09:16,704 --> 01:09:18,945
She's gonna be the keeper of the records,

833
01:09:20,105 --> 01:09:23,405
and we will have to move some money to, because there's

834
01:09:23,464 --> 01:09:27,424
another couple conferences coming up that have already

835
01:09:27,464 --> 01:09:31,405
been booked. But what she's asking for is, you

836
01:09:31,445 --> 01:09:34,504
know, go through her, and then by

837
01:09:35,105 --> 01:09:37,405
March, I'm s- uh-

838
01:09:38,384 --> 01:09:38,394
3rd

839
01:09:38,394 --> 01:09:41,844
... Third, she'd like an idea of what you're gonna do next year.

840
01:09:41,884 --> 01:09:44,964
So if you think you're gonna go to one or two or three or four conferences,

841
01:09:45,985 --> 01:09:49,804
put them into her, because she's in charge of putting money in that budget,

842
01:09:50,445 --> 01:09:53,525
and then we can look at it as a council after that.

843
01:09:53,544 --> 01:09:56,964
But that's really, that's where it came from.

844
01:09:57,064 --> 01:09:57,344
Um,

845
01:09:58,224 --> 01:10:02,004
it's just that we've- the council's overspent their conference,

846
01:10:02,024 --> 01:10:05,864
workshop, and education budget. And, but I do also remember that

847
01:10:06,404 --> 01:10:09,524
when we cut it to five, we said, "If we need more, we'll have to put more in

848
01:10:09,564 --> 01:10:10,034
there."

849
01:10:10,034 --> 01:10:10,473
That's right.

850
01:10:10,473 --> 01:10:13,964
I remember we talked about that, so... Mr. Christensen.

851
01:10:13,984 --> 01:10:17,964
Just to give her an idea, I know from my aspect, uh, when I kind of

852
01:10:18,004 --> 01:10:21,764
look at the year through education and in keeping up to

853
01:10:21,824 --> 01:10:24,904
date through MML, um, winter

854
01:10:25,044 --> 01:10:28,704
conference, which is generally like we had just last weekend, it's an

855
01:10:28,744 --> 01:10:32,004
online. Spring conference, which is usually we

856
01:10:32,044 --> 01:10:35,964
attend. CAPCON, which is coming up in a few weeks, that's a

857
01:10:36,084 --> 01:10:38,484
semi... Well, that's an annual event.

858
01:10:38,584 --> 01:10:41,344
Um, CAPCON, and then we have our annual

859
01:10:41,444 --> 01:10:45,164
convention, uh, which this year will be in Traverse

860
01:10:45,244 --> 01:10:47,604
City. Uh, those are the four

861
01:10:48,484 --> 01:10:48,904
main

862
01:10:49,744 --> 01:10:53,724
components for, for experience. And now the new guys, they've been

863
01:10:53,734 --> 01:10:57,624
through the newly elected, and they'll hit some core

864
01:10:57,684 --> 01:11:00,044
courses before they'll jump up to the advanced.

865
01:11:00,064 --> 01:11:03,444
But, uh, I, from my aspect, I would,

866
01:11:03,464 --> 01:11:04,564
uh, uh,

867
01:11:05,884 --> 01:11:07,984
I have taken this education to heart.

868
01:11:08,024 --> 01:11:11,404
It's, uh, it's worthwhile for the time and investment

869
01:11:11,464 --> 01:11:14,204
to, to be up to speed on this stuff. It changes so

870
01:11:14,324 --> 01:11:17,764
quickly. Um, different numbers are coming from

871
01:11:17,824 --> 01:11:21,723
Lansing. There's just a lot of barrage that hits, and kind of having

872
01:11:21,764 --> 01:11:25,464
a heads-up from attending these and being able to bring that back to council, I

873
01:11:25,524 --> 01:11:26,964
think is a good thing.

874
01:11:27,543 --> 01:11:30,474
There'll be time to discuss that too. So the, really, what...

875
01:11:30,484 --> 01:11:33,204
We don't need a motion here. We need to agree that we're going to

876
01:11:34,584 --> 01:11:38,384
put, give your stuff to the clerk by next week or the week after next,

877
01:11:38,944 --> 01:11:41,744
for this next year. That's really what- She needs an idea.

878
01:11:41,764 --> 01:11:45,724
Is it gonna be 25,000, or are you gonna keep it at six or seven?

879
01:11:45,744 --> 01:11:47,584
Mr. Rodrigues, you had something you want to say?

880
01:11:47,624 --> 01:11:50,964
Yeah, um, uh, I just want to put this out there that,

881
01:11:51,084 --> 01:11:54,984
um, I'm not sure I'm in favor of continuing to spend money

882
01:11:55,024 --> 01:11:59,004
towards these trainings. I think they're, they're very important for

883
01:11:59,064 --> 01:12:02,644
new members, and I'm, I'm in favor of new members

884
01:12:02,804 --> 01:12:06,464
going in. I know if, if you've never been on council, I remember the first year I

885
01:12:06,504 --> 01:12:10,364
was on council, um, it's a giant learning curve, and I, I

886
01:12:10,404 --> 01:12:13,224
think these introductory courses are important.

887
01:12:13,244 --> 01:12:17,113
But at the end of the day, like, I, I would really like-

888
01:12:17,164 --> 01:12:20,504
if, if people really want to continue this, I would like to

889
01:12:20,604 --> 01:12:24,584
see some tangible examples of information that was gathered or

890
01:12:24,644 --> 01:12:28,294
training that was got, and what was the result of that

891
01:12:28,324 --> 01:12:29,154
training? Because

892
01:12:30,384 --> 01:12:34,304
I'm not sure that I can quantify, "I went

893
01:12:34,324 --> 01:12:37,714
to this seminar, and I took this training, and this is what I learned for, from it,

894
01:12:37,724 --> 01:12:40,514
and this is how it's made things better." And I...

895
01:12:40,564 --> 01:12:43,824
If, if that can't be explained to me, I can't explain it

896
01:12:44,824 --> 01:12:48,684
to, you know, the constituents who will probably never ask me

897
01:12:48,784 --> 01:12:50,834
about it, but I still wanna know about it anyway.

898
01:12:50,904 --> 01:12:54,844
So, um, I've been to a few trainings myself, the introductory level ones.

899
01:12:54,964 --> 01:12:57,914
I thought they were great, and they are very important.

900
01:12:58,004 --> 01:13:01,904
But, I, I'm- honestly,

901
01:13:02,024 --> 01:13:05,864
I think if I was gonna spend money towards training, I would really like to

902
01:13:05,924 --> 01:13:08,384
see a more comprehensive plan in our next budget

903
01:13:08,884 --> 01:13:12,644
around-... training the,

904
01:13:12,684 --> 01:13:14,084
the, you know, people are gonna leave.

905
01:13:14,124 --> 01:13:17,754
Training the people underneath, a replacement policy, next man up kind of

906
01:13:17,804 --> 01:13:21,564
thing. Um, you know, what happens when a city manager leaves?

907
01:13:21,604 --> 01:13:25,154
Are we training someone in the wings, and is there certifications and training and

908
01:13:25,184 --> 01:13:28,524
classes, courses that they should be taking?

909
01:13:28,604 --> 01:13:32,044
I, I feel like that would be a, a, a better investment.

910
01:13:32,084 --> 01:13:35,964
So that's just where I'm at, um, but I'm happy to, to have my mind swayed

911
01:13:36,004 --> 01:13:37,584
there. Thanks.

912
01:13:37,964 --> 01:13:39,624
Any other quick comments?

913
01:13:39,704 --> 01:13:43,624
I just wanna say, the votes we took tonight were in no small way a

914
01:13:43,704 --> 01:13:47,664
result of the training that we had in SEDUM and

915
01:13:47,744 --> 01:13:51,444
other places. So I see a direct result between the

916
01:13:51,504 --> 01:13:52,484
meetings that I've gone to-

917
01:13:52,494 --> 01:13:52,494
Mm

918
01:13:52,494 --> 01:13:54,544
... and the votes we just took tonight.

919
01:13:54,644 --> 01:13:57,444
Um, a very clear result.

920
01:13:57,464 --> 01:13:58,134
Mr. Chair?

921
01:14:01,144 --> 01:14:05,044
You know, the list that, uh, Councilman Christensen

922
01:14:05,164 --> 01:14:09,104
gave is pretty much my list as well, in terms of,

923
01:14:09,204 --> 01:14:13,084
um, the education pieces. Like, uh, this,

924
01:14:13,104 --> 01:14:16,814
this past weekend, it was a vir- a virtual, uh, and, and the

925
01:14:16,904 --> 01:14:20,684
topics that they covered, uh, really I think

926
01:14:20,744 --> 01:14:23,674
helped me understand a little bit more in terms...

927
01:14:23,704 --> 01:14:26,614
It was on budgeting, uh, from that

928
01:14:26,684 --> 01:14:30,344
standpoint. Uh, but w- I also look

929
01:14:30,404 --> 01:14:34,314
for, and if you look at my calendar month-to-month, uh,

930
01:14:34,424 --> 01:14:37,744
a lot of free training from different organizations

931
01:14:38,064 --> 01:14:41,744
virtually that, uh, I attend. I, I devote

932
01:14:41,924 --> 01:14:45,244
a lot of hours to, to those, uh, those

933
01:14:45,304 --> 01:14:49,184
trainings. And, um, I certainly understand where

934
01:14:49,224 --> 01:14:52,324
Councilman Rodriguez, uh, stands on

935
01:14:52,384 --> 01:14:53,894
this, and, uh,

936
01:14:54,704 --> 01:14:58,584
I kinda agree with him that, you know, after the conference,

937
01:14:58,684 --> 01:15:02,304
uh, if we have a report back on, you know, what we

938
01:15:02,364 --> 01:15:06,104
covered, and I mean, I don't have a problem with, with that at all from

939
01:15:06,164 --> 01:15:10,044
that, that standpoint. Um, and, a- and as Councilman

940
01:15:10,124 --> 01:15:13,964
Curtis said, you know, some of the, the stuff we, we,

941
01:15:14,044 --> 01:15:17,983
uh, learned, uh, from SEDUM, uh, which is another

942
01:15:18,064 --> 01:15:21,764
organization, uh, that has a couple of conferences in

943
01:15:21,924 --> 01:15:25,564
Lansing, uh, it's fo- focused on

944
01:15:25,624 --> 01:15:28,804
housing, and, and the opportunities and

945
01:15:28,964 --> 01:15:32,244
financing and et cetera, that are out there, that

946
01:15:32,624 --> 01:15:36,504
helps us, uh, understand. I, I, we've-

947
01:15:36,584 --> 01:15:40,344
I've got, got a, a SEDUM conference coming up on

948
01:15:40,444 --> 01:15:44,104
one, uh, one topic that we're struggling with, and that

949
01:15:44,184 --> 01:15:48,144
is the stacking of funding. And, and this, this

950
01:15:49,364 --> 01:15:53,184
conference is gonna talk about stacking, uh, for funding,

951
01:15:53,284 --> 01:15:57,084
uh, that, uh, will help us understand where we have to

952
01:15:57,144 --> 01:16:00,844
go for the additional funds to fund, uh,

953
01:16:01,304 --> 01:16:04,884
you know, and help, uh, get some of these, uh, developers

954
01:16:05,004 --> 01:16:08,704
to, to take the step and, and, and, uh, go ahead,

955
01:16:08,804 --> 01:16:12,704
uh, on this. Because, you know, they're, they're investing a lot of money,

956
01:16:12,724 --> 01:16:16,564
but they're also wanting to see if the city is interested

957
01:16:16,624 --> 01:16:19,944
in investing, uh, as well, uh, from that

958
01:16:20,024 --> 01:16:24,004
standpoint. So, uh, and, and, and again, I, I think

959
01:16:24,084 --> 01:16:27,744
it's a great idea that we submit everything with the understanding

960
01:16:27,824 --> 01:16:29,244
that, um,

961
01:16:30,484 --> 01:16:34,424
the, the, the clerk should have a

962
01:16:34,444 --> 01:16:38,384
pretty good idea what these cost because of, of previously.

963
01:16:38,484 --> 01:16:42,304
Um, but there might be one or, you know, and something else that, that

964
01:16:42,364 --> 01:16:46,144
comes up on, on a topic that, uh, you know,

965
01:16:46,224 --> 01:16:50,133
if, if we, you know, if we can add, uh, to it, um,

966
01:16:50,204 --> 01:16:51,584
that'd be great as well.

967
01:16:51,624 --> 01:16:53,044
I think that can be handled in the budget-

968
01:16:53,104 --> 01:16:53,344
Yeah

969
01:16:53,353 --> 01:16:54,404
... when we talk about the budget.

970
01:16:54,464 --> 01:16:54,654
Right.

971
01:16:55,084 --> 01:16:57,864
This, this, this will give her an idea of what to bring, and she'll put a number

972
01:16:57,904 --> 01:16:58,444
down.

973
01:16:58,484 --> 01:16:58,724
Yep.

974
01:16:58,864 --> 01:17:01,654
You guys can either raise it or lower it, or whatever you want.

975
01:17:01,664 --> 01:17:01,794
Yeah.

976
01:17:01,804 --> 01:17:05,004
Personally, I've never taken any, and I don't anticipate any.

977
01:17:05,024 --> 01:17:05,744
Mm-hmm.

978
01:17:05,804 --> 01:17:06,724
I'm pretty cheap.

979
01:17:06,764 --> 01:17:07,204
Yeah.

980
01:17:08,184 --> 01:17:09,524
53 years will help that.

981
01:17:09,784 --> 01:17:10,304
Very much.

982
01:17:10,404 --> 01:17:14,244
Um, I just want, uh... And like when we go to CAPCON in a f- in a few

983
01:17:14,324 --> 01:17:18,044
weeks, when we go, we don't attend all the same

984
01:17:18,164 --> 01:17:20,224
classes. There's a multitude of classes-

985
01:17:20,244 --> 01:17:20,254
Yeah

986
01:17:20,254 --> 01:17:24,184
... and we usually split up so that we can cover as many

987
01:17:24,284 --> 01:17:27,904
educational opportunities, plus the breakout sessions that we can.

988
01:17:27,924 --> 01:17:28,424
Mm-hmm.

989
01:17:28,434 --> 01:17:30,864
Uh, I try to come home with as much knowledge as we can.

990
01:17:30,944 --> 01:17:34,814
Yeah. We usually sit at the, uh, the breakfast and at the beginning of

991
01:17:34,864 --> 01:17:38,524
the thing and say, "Okay, w- which one are you going

992
01:17:38,644 --> 01:17:42,444
to?" And, you know, and we kinda divide up, uh, where, where we're

993
01:17:42,544 --> 01:17:44,184
going from that standpoint, so-

994
01:17:44,204 --> 01:17:46,424
If you don't give the clerk something by March 3rd-

995
01:17:46,484 --> 01:17:46,624
Yep

996
01:17:46,864 --> 01:17:50,684
... I don't expect it to be in the budget. How's that?

997
01:17:50,724 --> 01:17:52,544
Here's my list on the bottom.

998
01:17:54,444 --> 01:17:58,104
Um, discussion of fiscal year 2026-27 budget

999
01:17:58,144 --> 01:18:00,204
priorities, that would be the interim manager

1000
01:18:00,724 --> 01:18:02,244
astute.

1001
01:18:02,724 --> 01:18:05,594
Place those down here and, uh-

1002
01:18:05,604 --> 01:18:08,224
I actually have one already.

1003
01:18:08,344 --> 01:18:08,924
Oh, did you?

1004
01:18:08,934 --> 01:18:09,284
Mm-hmm.

1005
01:18:09,344 --> 01:18:10,464
Oh, okay.

1006
01:18:10,524 --> 01:18:12,864
Yeah. Whoa!

1007
01:18:12,924 --> 01:18:14,944
Well, great. That's why I'm short.

1008
01:18:14,964 --> 01:18:18,544
So I, um, part of it is, uh, got to apologize for

1009
01:18:18,804 --> 01:18:22,204
the challenges we had, uh, with the, uh,

1010
01:18:22,324 --> 01:18:23,364
uh-

1011
01:18:23,384 --> 01:18:23,664
Email

1012
01:18:23,704 --> 01:18:27,584
... transition from Google to, uh, Outlook, uh, but eventually

1013
01:18:27,644 --> 01:18:30,364
we got everybody's, uh, comments in here.

1014
01:18:30,384 --> 01:18:34,344
So I just listed what they are. I staggered them so that one wasn't concentrated

1015
01:18:34,424 --> 01:18:38,224
with, uh, one council member, so I tried to spread it the best that I could.

1016
01:18:38,964 --> 01:18:39,164
Um,

1017
01:18:40,444 --> 01:18:42,804
and, you know, there's a lot of common themes through it.

1018
01:18:42,984 --> 01:18:46,664
Uh, you can look through, uh, um, that, and then on the

1019
01:18:46,724 --> 01:18:49,884
fourth page, I basically just said, "Look, here's the general themes:

1020
01:18:50,244 --> 01:18:53,384
infrastructure, water, sewer, streets, parks,

1021
01:18:53,424 --> 01:18:57,204
facilities." Um, if you look at the financing,

1022
01:18:57,264 --> 01:19:01,064
pensions, uh, came up a few times, rainy day fund, water,

1023
01:19:01,104 --> 01:19:04,304
sewer rates, uh, public safety millage.

1024
01:19:04,444 --> 01:19:07,904
Um, or I should say public safety assessment.

1025
01:19:08,004 --> 01:19:10,884
Uh, let me clarify that. Um, community,

1026
01:19:10,944 --> 01:19:14,404
placemaking, uh, support for community events, gateway

1027
01:19:14,524 --> 01:19:18,368
signs, parks, um, re-... housing, human

1028
01:19:18,448 --> 01:19:22,408
services. Interestingly enough, when you get to the housing, uh, tech

1029
01:19:22,628 --> 01:19:23,468
TIF, um,

1030
01:19:24,488 --> 01:19:28,408
the, uh, consultant with Beckett & Raeder, John Icangeli, who had worked with

1031
01:19:28,448 --> 01:19:32,108
the planning commission in developing, uh, the,

1032
01:19:32,188 --> 01:19:36,178
uh, the master plan, uh, he was a council member of

1033
01:19:36,248 --> 01:19:39,868
mine in Monroe, and John was always kinda leaning on, uh,

1034
01:19:39,888 --> 01:19:42,908
myself and the staff to set up a neighborhood TIF.

1035
01:19:42,988 --> 01:19:46,408
And so there, there is some merit to it, uh, um,

1036
01:19:47,228 --> 01:19:51,208
I just never got around to it at the end, but, but, uh, but certainly he's a, a

1037
01:19:51,328 --> 01:19:55,168
big proponent of it, uh, uh, where you can reinvest back into the

1038
01:19:55,208 --> 01:19:57,848
community a portion of that additional tax fund.

1039
01:19:57,918 --> 01:20:00,668
So, um, so there is some, you know, merit to it.

1040
01:20:00,728 --> 01:20:03,968
Uh, you know, the housing authority, you know, we're talking, there is land

1041
01:20:04,788 --> 01:20:08,748
that you own. Um, and so while you don't have the what I would consider

1042
01:20:08,768 --> 01:20:12,248
to be a traditional housing, uh, authority, that,

1043
01:20:12,328 --> 01:20:16,158
uh, but there are communities, uh, much like Monroe and, uh,

1044
01:20:16,328 --> 01:20:19,168
Belding, um, where I worked, uh, had a, a housing

1045
01:20:19,228 --> 01:20:22,638
authority, uh, in which, you know, they had units that they, uh,

1046
01:20:22,648 --> 01:20:26,138
provided. So that's something long-term that you can consider.

1047
01:20:26,228 --> 01:20:29,688
Uh, again, in part, you may find some, uh,

1048
01:20:29,708 --> 01:20:33,608
grants, uh, through MSHDA that may be supplementing a cost, if you

1049
01:20:33,668 --> 01:20:37,568
would. But at the same time, they're a separate legal entity, but they are a

1050
01:20:37,588 --> 01:20:41,388
municipal, uh, local government that get incorporated into

1051
01:20:41,428 --> 01:20:45,368
your audit. So it's just something that if you're, if you're looking

1052
01:20:45,388 --> 01:20:49,148
in that direction in the future, there is a, a path, I think, if,

1053
01:20:49,228 --> 01:20:53,188
uh, to, to get there. Uh, emergency shelters, energy in-

1054
01:20:53,228 --> 01:20:53,968
independence,

1055
01:20:54,908 --> 01:20:58,878
uh, economic development came up frequently, DDA, uh,

1056
01:20:59,348 --> 01:21:02,528
PA 425 agreements, a, a real good

1057
01:21:02,648 --> 01:21:06,588
tool. Upper floor apartments, I'm gonna talk a little bit about that,

1058
01:21:06,668 --> 01:21:09,768
uh, on one of the other hand, uh, pages.

1059
01:21:09,778 --> 01:21:13,708
And then just organizational concerns, and in a general sense, police, fire, human

1060
01:21:13,788 --> 01:21:17,628
resources, uh, IT, communications, grant

1061
01:21:17,708 --> 01:21:21,588
administration, areas where I think, uh, you know, just in my short

1062
01:21:21,648 --> 01:21:24,708
term, it'd be nice if we could bolster aspects of all of them

1063
01:21:24,928 --> 01:21:28,768
in, in, in some capacity. So,

1064
01:21:29,888 --> 01:21:32,328
um, I'm just ki- I'm kinda going through it quick.

1065
01:21:32,448 --> 01:21:35,858
Uh, so just give you an overview, and then we can just have the, the, if you don't

1066
01:21:35,908 --> 01:21:39,748
mind, the discussion. Healthy fund balances, particularly in the general

1067
01:21:39,888 --> 01:21:42,588
fund, major local street fund. Um,

1068
01:21:43,528 --> 01:21:46,927
and the following page, uh, page five, is just pulled from the

1069
01:21:47,028 --> 01:21:50,538
audit. Um, you can see where, uh, where the fund

1070
01:21:50,628 --> 01:21:54,588
balances are. Um, but in the general fund, um, you've got

1071
01:21:54,608 --> 01:21:57,957
an ending balance of a little over two point seven five, uh,

1072
01:21:58,148 --> 01:22:01,828
million, for a seven million dollar, uh, general fund

1073
01:22:01,928 --> 01:22:05,908
budget, which is what you have this current fiscal year, '25, '26.

1074
01:22:05,968 --> 01:22:09,808
Uh, your seventeen percent target, you would need one point, uh, almost one

1075
01:22:09,908 --> 01:22:13,888
point two million. If you kept it at two- at, uh, twenty-five

1076
01:22:13,968 --> 01:22:17,397
percent, which is conservatively high and very good, um,

1077
01:22:18,188 --> 01:22:21,308
you know, you could pull a million dollars out of there.

1078
01:22:21,388 --> 01:22:23,268
Uh, use it for a one-time expenditure.

1079
01:22:23,308 --> 01:22:27,098
If you notice, I put, uh, in parentheses and

1080
01:22:28,448 --> 01:22:31,108
bold and capital, uh, capital, "One-time

1081
01:22:31,148 --> 01:22:34,808
expenditures." Uh, now, you're gonna have a big one coming up, and that

1082
01:22:34,888 --> 01:22:38,528
is, uh, the HVAC replacement. So how you go about

1083
01:22:38,908 --> 01:22:42,508
maybe allocating some money toward that, uh, or, you know, maybe doing an

1084
01:22:42,548 --> 01:22:46,448
installment purchase, uh, to, to, to complete it, but there is

1085
01:22:46,708 --> 01:22:50,258
a, a, a, a means by which you, you could utilize some of that fund balance.

1086
01:22:50,288 --> 01:22:54,248
And, and some of the other asks out here, you know, the, that, that came

1087
01:22:54,308 --> 01:22:56,508
up, uh, could be falling into that.

1088
01:22:57,508 --> 01:23:01,208
Uh, uh, major local street funds. Um, again, you got,

1089
01:23:01,308 --> 01:23:05,128
uh, almost two point five million in the major street fund.

1090
01:23:05,188 --> 01:23:08,708
Target, um, I've used in the past is fifty

1091
01:23:08,808 --> 01:23:12,708
percent of Act 51 revenues. Uh, in that case, if

1092
01:23:12,748 --> 01:23:16,608
you took your Act 51 revenues, that fund balance out

1093
01:23:16,688 --> 01:23:20,368
target would be, you know, four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

1094
01:23:20,448 --> 01:23:24,248
I'll be honest with you, basically, in those street funds, what you need is just

1095
01:23:24,308 --> 01:23:27,528
enough to, to carry you through a couple of bad winters.

1096
01:23:27,548 --> 01:23:30,228
And I gotta tell you, four hundred and fifty thousand will get you through bad,

1097
01:23:30,288 --> 01:23:33,768
couple of bad winters. Uh, so I, I wouldn't recommend that you go

1098
01:23:34,208 --> 01:23:37,958
spend it all. Part of it is, uh, with, uh, Stephanie, we've talked

1099
01:23:38,028 --> 01:23:41,828
about it, is some streets you can do the mill and fill, and you can do a lot of

1100
01:23:41,868 --> 01:23:45,748
those. Um, but you also have some that are basically in

1101
01:23:45,808 --> 01:23:49,798
such condition, uh, you need to reconstruct it, uh, and make sure that

1102
01:23:49,828 --> 01:23:53,778
the underground is, is... You don't wanna spend money and then rip it

1103
01:23:53,828 --> 01:23:57,628
up, obviously, stating that. But, but you got probably close to, you

1104
01:23:57,668 --> 01:24:01,548
know, I'd say probably close to almost a couple million dollars,

1105
01:24:01,558 --> 01:24:05,348
uh, maybe two point five million dollars if you wanted to spend it on there and

1106
01:24:05,468 --> 01:24:09,218
still be what I would consider fiscally responsible with an ending

1107
01:24:09,308 --> 01:24:12,968
balance that you have. So it's just something, uh, to consider a- and

1108
01:24:13,128 --> 01:24:15,338
talk about. I know Stephanie's doing some work.

1109
01:24:15,348 --> 01:24:18,548
In fact, we might talk a little bit-- Are we gonna talk about it tonight?

1110
01:24:18,648 --> 01:24:20,488
Uh, the re-prioritizing?

1111
01:24:21,548 --> 01:24:21,898
We can.

1112
01:24:22,588 --> 01:24:24,088
Yeah, hold on a sec. Well, let me finish-

1113
01:24:24,148 --> 01:24:24,288
Okay

1114
01:24:24,348 --> 01:24:25,888
... up a little bit, we'll come back to it.

1115
01:24:25,968 --> 01:24:29,528
Um, focus on economic development, uh, PA

1116
01:24:29,668 --> 01:24:33,588
425 agreements. You actually have a actually, and, and I think one of it

1117
01:24:33,648 --> 01:24:37,518
was, uh, the review of the policy, but I went back and looked at what you had, uh,

1118
01:24:37,518 --> 01:24:41,008
with, uh, Eaton Township and, and Carmel

1119
01:24:41,088 --> 01:24:43,638
Township. They go back to like '98, 2000.

1120
01:24:43,668 --> 01:24:47,028
Those are actually really good, good agreements.

1121
01:24:47,148 --> 01:24:50,688
Uh, they look like a win-win to me, and that's really what you're doing.

1122
01:24:50,708 --> 01:24:53,788
And in part, uh, I've done it on a couple of occasions,

1123
01:24:53,868 --> 01:24:57,828
uh, where, um, basically, as part

1124
01:24:57,888 --> 01:25:01,788
of it, uh, you know, you basically cover the cost of whatever

1125
01:25:01,948 --> 01:25:03,718
millage that they're levying, and

1126
01:25:04,708 --> 01:25:08,388
with- because we're levying a higher millage, um, you give them a

1127
01:25:08,408 --> 01:25:12,108
portion back. Their tax base, their revenue grow based on your

1128
01:25:12,208 --> 01:25:16,108
investment in the infrastructure and the development, but it, it does

1129
01:25:16,668 --> 01:25:19,908
add value to, to the community with, with the 425.

1130
01:25:19,948 --> 01:25:23,548
So, you know, I think in some ways, what you have there is, is not a bad outlay,

1131
01:25:23,628 --> 01:25:26,398
but we- you need to look through the policy and, and...

1132
01:25:26,408 --> 01:25:30,084
But more importantly is-... you know the players.

1133
01:25:30,164 --> 01:25:33,684
Uh, you have to have a working relationship with the townships for this to succeed,

1134
01:25:33,704 --> 01:25:37,064
and I, I, I'm clueless. I, I don't know.

1135
01:25:37,124 --> 01:25:39,344
Uh, you would, you would know better than I do.

1136
01:25:39,384 --> 01:25:42,864
But, uh, but there's, you know, really great opportunities out there.

1137
01:25:42,924 --> 01:25:46,784
Uh, um, you know, Tiger and, uh, Dan, uh, gave

1138
01:25:46,844 --> 01:25:50,324
me a tour, uh, the other day, and wow, there's a lot of

1139
01:25:50,364 --> 01:25:53,444
opportunities out there. Uh, pretty remarkable.

1140
01:25:53,484 --> 01:25:54,754
So, um,

1141
01:25:55,904 --> 01:25:57,344
housing, um,

1142
01:25:59,164 --> 01:26:03,064
you know, a couple of things I've heard about the DDA, uh,

1143
01:26:03,184 --> 01:26:06,574
um, upper floor apartments, uh, on a couple of, uh,

1144
01:26:06,624 --> 01:26:09,614
occasions, uh, some infill development, Brownfield

1145
01:26:09,624 --> 01:26:12,824
Authority. Um, you know, one of the things I,

1146
01:26:12,904 --> 01:26:16,364
um... If you could flip to page five, I, I just wanna point one out

1147
01:26:16,424 --> 01:26:17,564
here. Um,

1148
01:26:19,124 --> 01:26:22,824
so if you see down there in the, the, the general fund, you see the two point

1149
01:26:22,944 --> 01:26:26,834
seven five that I highlighted. Um, that's really what you have as

1150
01:26:26,864 --> 01:26:29,434
far as your discretionary fund balance.

1151
01:26:29,444 --> 01:26:33,164
The number above it, assigned, I think that's the

1152
01:26:33,464 --> 01:26:35,804
settlement that you had, uh, where you

1153
01:26:36,944 --> 01:26:40,684
can't draw it down, but you can use it as long as it gets reimbursed, uh-

1154
01:26:40,724 --> 01:26:43,664
DOI fund? Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah.

1155
01:26:43,704 --> 01:26:44,564
Where is that?

1156
01:26:46,684 --> 01:26:48,344
It's eight, eight hundred and something.

1157
01:26:48,364 --> 01:26:51,084
Eight, yes, eight hundred and fifty-nine thousand is- Eight fifty-nine thousand or

1158
01:26:51,104 --> 01:26:54,044
something like that. The significance of it is, is, is, you know, again, it goes

1159
01:26:54,084 --> 01:26:56,204
back to some of the stacking conversations.

1160
01:26:56,224 --> 01:27:00,084
I know Council Member Jenna and I were talking about it, but there is interest

1161
01:27:00,104 --> 01:27:03,664
with one of the local banks, and, and so you may partner in some

1162
01:27:03,704 --> 01:27:07,644
capacity where you take, I don't know, maybe a, a, you know, a

1163
01:27:07,684 --> 01:27:11,074
subordinated lien on it to a certain extent to try and get these things

1164
01:27:11,204 --> 01:27:15,194
going. You know, the bank has some, some investment in it, the, the city

1165
01:27:15,244 --> 01:27:19,204
could have some investment in it, uh, but ultimately it would flow back.

1166
01:27:19,224 --> 01:27:22,834
So there's some leverage that you can use with funds like that for, for an economic

1167
01:27:22,904 --> 01:27:26,804
development, and it also could be used in other capacities as well. I know Mr.

1168
01:27:26,824 --> 01:27:30,804
Hilliard said, you know, we may use some of that for the, uh, HVAC

1169
01:27:30,864 --> 01:27:34,244
system, and just you have to pay it back over time, but, but, but the thought's

1170
01:27:34,284 --> 01:27:38,243
there. It's, it's a, it's a, it's a resource that you have that, you know, can

1171
01:27:38,264 --> 01:27:41,004
be deployed in, in, in a couple of capacities.

1172
01:27:41,824 --> 01:27:45,784
Um, and then Brownfield Authority, you know, used for blight, uh, demolition of

1173
01:27:45,864 --> 01:27:48,624
blighted, dangerous, and functionally obsolete properties.

1174
01:27:48,704 --> 01:27:52,624
Uh, there's, you know, a handful of them in town in, in

1175
01:27:53,104 --> 01:27:56,874
desirable locations. Um, and so, uh, with

1176
01:27:56,924 --> 01:28:00,504
that in place, uh... But where I go with this is, you know, a strong

1177
01:28:00,584 --> 01:28:01,184
economic

1178
01:28:04,244 --> 01:28:06,364
staffing and support is what you would need.

1179
01:28:06,484 --> 01:28:10,404
Um, there's, there's maybe something from a budgetary standpoint

1180
01:28:10,464 --> 01:28:14,334
that you, you really focus in, somebody that has, uh, you know, the

1181
01:28:14,384 --> 01:28:17,064
experience of bringing these together.

1182
01:28:17,104 --> 01:28:20,404
It's a sales job as, you know, much as what you've had with the

1183
01:28:20,464 --> 01:28:24,324
developers, uh, but also the carry-through with the,

1184
01:28:24,424 --> 01:28:27,973
uh, administration end of it, whether it's working with a, an environmental

1185
01:28:28,064 --> 01:28:31,584
consultant, uh, to do the, you know, assess the remediation

1186
01:28:31,644 --> 01:28:35,344
necessary, put together the cost, and those type of things, and then stacking the

1187
01:28:35,404 --> 01:28:38,384
financing, uh, you know, committees that you have.

1188
01:28:38,444 --> 01:28:42,334
So something to consider, you know, certainly I think, but based on the feedback I

1189
01:28:42,364 --> 01:28:45,854
got, I'm thinking, "Okay, I can leave it at that,"

1190
01:28:45,944 --> 01:28:49,344
uh. And then debt, you don't really have a whole lot of outstanding debt.

1191
01:28:49,364 --> 01:28:52,804
In fact, uh, just the west, uh, fire station is, is really what you

1192
01:28:52,864 --> 01:28:56,554
have. But it may be something you're gonna contemplate in the future, uh,

1193
01:28:56,604 --> 01:28:58,224
particularly with the water and sewer.

1194
01:28:58,264 --> 01:29:02,084
You may have to, to, to come to that, uh, realization that, uh,

1195
01:29:02,564 --> 01:29:06,494
there is some merit to doing some of these large projects, uh, at once

1196
01:29:06,584 --> 01:29:10,564
from a, a mobilization and, and cost standpoint.

1197
01:29:10,604 --> 01:29:14,084
A- and don't lose sight of the fact, the LDFA, if you get a few more properties in

1198
01:29:14,124 --> 01:29:17,634
there, you can, you know, leverage some of that.

1199
01:29:17,724 --> 01:29:21,344
I mean, I did a industrial park, and gone

1200
01:29:21,384 --> 01:29:24,944
twenty-nine years from clear, but, uh, we basically did an

1201
01:29:25,064 --> 01:29:28,184
LDFA. We got a company to come in and relocate to the

1202
01:29:28,704 --> 01:29:32,504
industrial park, and we built a, a truck route and extended water and

1203
01:29:32,624 --> 01:29:35,214
sewer, uh, kinda looped the system there.

1204
01:29:35,224 --> 01:29:35,684
And so

1205
01:29:36,664 --> 01:29:40,284
it's a great source to be able to address not only, uh,

1206
01:29:40,404 --> 01:29:44,144
um, the development end of it, but also help, uh, address some of

1207
01:29:44,204 --> 01:29:47,864
the existing infrastructure challenges that might be there.

1208
01:29:47,884 --> 01:29:48,044
So

1209
01:29:49,103 --> 01:29:52,584
in a nutshell, that just... You know, you have some resources to work with.

1210
01:29:52,604 --> 01:29:55,774
The other thing with the-- If you turn to page six, um,

1211
01:29:56,944 --> 01:30:00,644
what I did was, uh... A- and again, it's kind of a function of a

1212
01:30:00,804 --> 01:30:04,644
couple of comments related to the, um, the fire, uh,

1213
01:30:04,704 --> 01:30:06,104
assessment that's been out there.

1214
01:30:06,944 --> 01:30:10,744
Um, if you look at the, the, uh, the city's, uh, millage, uh, it's

1215
01:30:10,864 --> 01:30:12,944
a charter millage of fifteen mills.

1216
01:30:13,004 --> 01:30:16,244
It's been reduced, if you look to the far right, by Headlee over the

1217
01:30:16,304 --> 01:30:19,844
years. Uh, so you're leaving- and, and let

1218
01:30:19,864 --> 01:30:23,673
me, just for qualify- to qualify this, this is the two thousand and

1219
01:30:23,744 --> 01:30:27,444
three. I could not find the two thousand and twenty-five, which is the most recent

1220
01:30:27,504 --> 01:30:31,464
one. I don't think it's changed a whole lot, but it, it serves its purpose

1221
01:30:31,524 --> 01:30:34,664
for illustration that I'm gonna make with you.

1222
01:30:34,704 --> 01:30:38,394
But down below, you see I highlighted the, uh, PA thirty-three,

1223
01:30:38,464 --> 01:30:42,224
uh, fire, uh, protection assessment, and then highlighted

1224
01:30:42,284 --> 01:30:46,144
the... I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure how you can get away from it.

1225
01:30:46,184 --> 01:30:49,904
You're, you're pretty well capped out, uh, with your, your millage.

1226
01:30:50,004 --> 01:30:53,764
Um, the other millages that you have there, the, the fire,

1227
01:30:53,824 --> 01:30:57,344
uh, debt, that's a unlimited tax general

1228
01:30:57,424 --> 01:31:00,824
obligation. It doesn't apply to your charter or your

1229
01:31:00,944 --> 01:31:04,904
statutory levy. Uh, you're- you know, so in this case

1230
01:31:04,944 --> 01:31:07,624
here, you can levy it till you no longer need it.

1231
01:31:07,664 --> 01:31:11,264
And then the recycling, again, doesn't apply to your s- your, uh, charter

1232
01:31:11,384 --> 01:31:14,664
limit or the s- state statutory limit regarding twenty mil

1233
01:31:14,744 --> 01:31:18,714
levy. So, uh, my point of it is, I think try- uh,

1234
01:31:18,744 --> 01:31:22,464
the challenge to, to do much with it, uh, uh, would only come at the

1235
01:31:22,504 --> 01:31:25,034
expense of public safety operations.

1236
01:31:25,124 --> 01:31:28,904
Uh, I'm not sure what else, given, uh, the circumstance that you have at this

1237
01:31:28,944 --> 01:31:32,624
point in time, uh, uh, what other alternatives you might have

1238
01:31:32,984 --> 01:31:35,464
other than cut. That would be it.

1239
01:31:40,674 --> 01:31:43,404
... Did you want him to ask questions now, or did you-

1240
01:31:43,534 --> 01:31:46,104
Yeah, the, just if I could just flip one more page, just...

1241
01:31:46,114 --> 01:31:48,634
You've actually had pretty good growth in your taxable value.

1242
01:31:48,644 --> 01:31:52,614
Uh, if you look on the following page, I went back five years, and, you know, over

1243
01:31:52,634 --> 01:31:56,604
the last five years, uh, you've been pushing up, you know, in the 30, uh, or

1244
01:31:56,754 --> 01:32:00,594
28%, uh, uh, growth from- So, you know, back

1245
01:32:00,614 --> 01:32:04,194
out the numbers, you're probably looking somewhere in the six-plus range as far as

1246
01:32:04,414 --> 01:32:08,214
annualized increases. And then I put the, the real property, which is

1247
01:32:08,254 --> 01:32:12,044
applied to the assessment. So I just kinda wanted to make those points, uh, going

1248
01:32:12,074 --> 01:32:15,524
into the budget, you know, for thoughts, considerations, and comments.

1249
01:32:17,734 --> 01:32:19,794
Thank you.

1250
01:32:21,474 --> 01:32:23,614
Who wants to be first?

1251
01:32:23,624 --> 01:32:23,643
I-

1252
01:32:23,954 --> 01:32:24,494
Jim?

1253
01:32:26,454 --> 01:32:30,344
Where, where, where do we stand with the, uh, pension issue, um,

1254
01:32:30,634 --> 01:32:33,394
funding of the pension and healthcare?

1255
01:32:34,354 --> 01:32:36,494
And, and where does that, that, uh,

1256
01:32:37,654 --> 01:32:39,914
show up here on this, uh, balance sheet?

1257
01:32:39,974 --> 01:32:40,994
It, it doesn't.

1258
01:32:41,094 --> 01:32:41,794
Okay.

1259
01:32:41,934 --> 01:32:45,824
Um, from a pension standpoint, uh, you'll see that in the footnotes, uh,

1260
01:32:46,294 --> 01:32:49,714
with the a- audit that comes in. Plus, you should be getting an

1261
01:32:49,754 --> 01:32:52,754
actuarial, uh, evaluation for the end of

1262
01:32:52,764 --> 01:32:56,594
'25. Merce usually sends it out probably three, four

1263
01:32:56,654 --> 01:33:00,634
months afterwards. Uh, the last one was above 60%,

1264
01:33:00,714 --> 01:33:04,294
uh, uh, but they're implicit in their, uh, um,

1265
01:33:05,854 --> 01:33:09,034
you know, the, the, uh, calculations as to what

1266
01:33:09,094 --> 01:33:12,954
your annual required contribution is a function that you're paying it

1267
01:33:12,994 --> 01:33:16,914
down internally with them as well over a period of, I probably, I'm

1268
01:33:16,934 --> 01:33:19,804
guessing maybe 15, 16 years, something like that.

1269
01:33:19,854 --> 01:33:22,634
It's just kind of declining balance on it.

1270
01:33:22,694 --> 01:33:26,474
Uh, but, but it's built into the, uh, above and beyond the normal

1271
01:33:26,594 --> 01:33:30,134
cost that you would pay for that, uh, for the pension itself.

1272
01:33:30,794 --> 01:33:34,704
Uh, the other with the, the healthcare is, I think the last time I saw it

1273
01:33:34,754 --> 01:33:38,244
was, looked at it, it was 20-something percent, uh...

1274
01:33:38,244 --> 01:33:40,714
I, I haven't looked at it a little bit further, but, uh, it's-

1275
01:33:42,814 --> 01:33:46,714
Yeah, and could... W- The, um, copy of the

1276
01:33:46,813 --> 01:33:50,694
plan, um, to, to fully

1277
01:33:50,834 --> 01:33:54,494
fund, you know, that was submitted by the

1278
01:33:54,554 --> 01:33:58,474
city to the state and said by '20-something, we'll

1279
01:33:58,634 --> 01:34:02,543
be fully funded. And I'm just, uh, you know, uh,

1280
01:34:03,254 --> 01:34:07,154
before we start using up some of this extra money, I wanna

1281
01:34:07,214 --> 01:34:11,194
make sure that, uh, somebody's cognizant of the,

1282
01:34:11,234 --> 01:34:13,694
the plan, what was submitted-

1283
01:34:14,234 --> 01:34:14,244
Yep

1284
01:34:14,244 --> 01:34:18,134
... the date that we're supposed to be at 100%, and, and the

1285
01:34:18,194 --> 01:34:21,854
plan to extend to, to that date.

1286
01:34:21,874 --> 01:34:23,554
What was the date on it? I looked at it once.

1287
01:34:23,614 --> 01:34:24,794
Was it '32 or something like-

1288
01:34:24,814 --> 01:34:25,454
'24.

1289
01:34:25,474 --> 01:34:25,714
'30.

1290
01:34:25,774 --> 01:34:26,894
Oh, 30-something?

1291
01:34:26,914 --> 01:34:28,144
It was in the '30s, I think.

1292
01:34:28,144 --> 01:34:29,094
It was in the '30s.

1293
01:34:29,374 --> 01:34:29,574
Yeah, okay.

1294
01:34:29,594 --> 01:34:31,034
Yeah, yeah.

1295
01:34:33,014 --> 01:34:34,854
Which was closer than I thought.

1296
01:34:34,894 --> 01:34:34,904
Yeah.

1297
01:34:34,904 --> 01:34:35,514
'30, '35.

1298
01:34:35,534 --> 01:34:36,944
When we get to 100%.

1299
01:34:37,074 --> 01:34:39,094
Yeah.

1300
01:34:40,514 --> 01:34:41,404
Oh, okay.

1301
01:34:41,404 --> 01:34:44,894
Well, you can m- you can go on, and I'll, I'll see if I have that.

1302
01:34:45,174 --> 01:34:47,894
You have comments? Go ahead.

1303
01:34:47,934 --> 01:34:51,814
I know we're talking about this, and I, I think the last meeting, uh, Councilman

1304
01:34:51,894 --> 01:34:55,294
Chinn had give a little bit of number that he thought

1305
01:34:55,914 --> 01:34:59,874
once the, uh, the budget come out, and then with the, uh,

1306
01:35:00,134 --> 01:35:04,094
uh, addition of the Neighborhood Roads Fund, we would probably come out a little

1307
01:35:04,134 --> 01:35:07,274
bit ahead of what we had in the past.

1308
01:35:07,294 --> 01:35:11,254
But, uh, if I read it right, and based on

1309
01:35:11,314 --> 01:35:14,914
the road, the road money that they're estimating for the next three

1310
01:35:15,014 --> 01:35:17,874
years, I think it showed we come out ahead by, like,

1311
01:35:17,994 --> 01:35:21,584
2.1%, something in that range, from, uh,

1312
01:35:22,034 --> 01:35:25,994
from what we never had gotten. So we did improve, although

1313
01:35:26,034 --> 01:35:28,764
it didn't... I thought it was gonna be a little bit more than that.

1314
01:35:28,774 --> 01:35:32,494
I was hopeful for the road dollars anyway, but, uh, the road

1315
01:35:32,554 --> 01:35:36,534
dollars to me looked like about the same, uh, as if we were

1316
01:35:36,594 --> 01:35:39,354
continuing on, on what we were getting from the county.

1317
01:35:39,364 --> 01:35:40,054
Mm-hmm.

1318
01:35:40,074 --> 01:35:41,654
Now that that's, I think that's over now.

1319
01:35:41,674 --> 01:35:43,954
They have to bring that back up again if they do, I

1320
01:35:43,974 --> 01:35:45,774
think.

1321
01:35:45,834 --> 01:35:47,814
Yeah, they're gonna take it back out for another millage.

1322
01:35:47,834 --> 01:35:48,474
Okay.

1323
01:35:53,054 --> 01:35:53,704
Other comments?

1324
01:35:54,594 --> 01:35:56,414
Uh, go ahead.

1325
01:35:56,874 --> 01:36:00,854
Did you, did you say the expected, um, I guess, net

1326
01:36:00,874 --> 01:36:04,504
revenues are, are going up by, like, 6% each year?

1327
01:36:04,514 --> 01:36:06,144
Is that what you said, or what was that 6%?

1328
01:36:06,194 --> 01:36:09,954
The taxable value over the last five years has been running in the six-plus range.

1329
01:36:10,534 --> 01:36:14,034
Um, and so I'll- we'll know probably by next meeting, uh,

1330
01:36:14,594 --> 01:36:18,074
what those numbers came in at. The numbers, finalizing the

1331
01:36:18,154 --> 01:36:19,804
details, border review starts...

1332
01:36:19,814 --> 01:36:22,794
In fact, did- have, have you got your notices yet?

1333
01:36:22,834 --> 01:36:22,974
Yeah.

1334
01:36:22,984 --> 01:36:24,604
Yeah, okay. Yeah, so you may have very well...

1335
01:36:24,654 --> 01:36:28,594
I, uh, talked to Andy in the office to get what

1336
01:36:28,634 --> 01:36:30,254
the preliminary numbers look like.

1337
01:36:30,294 --> 01:36:32,214
You know, there'll be some border review adjustments, but

1338
01:36:33,174 --> 01:36:35,854
usually they're pretty negligible.

1339
01:36:35,974 --> 01:36:39,854
The, uh, I need a refresher here. The PA 425

1340
01:36:39,894 --> 01:36:43,734
agreement has something to do with partnering with townships

1341
01:36:43,754 --> 01:36:47,374
and land transfer or something? Uh, what is that exactly?

1342
01:36:47,384 --> 01:36:48,954
'Cause I don't remember.

1343
01:36:49,023 --> 01:36:52,964
It's a jurisdictional transfer. Some- it's not quite an annex, but, but has, uh,

1344
01:36:53,214 --> 01:36:57,094
elements of it, uh, but, uh, in which, uh, you

1345
01:36:57,134 --> 01:37:00,374
know, the city would be involved with, uh, providing the

1346
01:37:00,434 --> 01:37:04,274
services, the taxes collected there, uh, within that,

1347
01:37:04,354 --> 01:37:06,944
uh, within the township, what's currently.

1348
01:37:07,074 --> 01:37:09,674
Uh, there's two aspects from a term standpoint.

1349
01:37:09,714 --> 01:37:12,894
You can go 50 year, up to fifty years with a another fifty-year

1350
01:37:12,954 --> 01:37:16,294
renewal, which seems to be the case that most, uh, agreements

1351
01:37:16,434 --> 01:37:20,294
have. Um, and then you just argue over who, where reversion

1352
01:37:20,354 --> 01:37:23,154
back to, whether it's the city or the township, uh...

1353
01:37:23,234 --> 01:37:27,094
But what happens in those where, you know, if you're about a 15

1354
01:37:27,134 --> 01:37:30,974
mil levy, and they're levying, you know, three mils or whatever, you're paying

1355
01:37:31,014 --> 01:37:34,394
back the three or... I think the agreements with here is two mils.

1356
01:37:34,494 --> 01:37:38,414
Um, pay that back, and you keep the other 15 based on the, on the

1357
01:37:38,474 --> 01:37:42,274
growth. And so, um, a lot of communities have done that,

1358
01:37:42,374 --> 01:37:45,854
uh, and a lot of townships have gone, "Well, that's a good deal for us

1359
01:37:45,974 --> 01:37:49,882
if-... um, helps us, you know, grow our tax

1360
01:37:49,962 --> 01:37:53,842
base, uh, without, uh, based on the investment and

1361
01:37:53,962 --> 01:37:54,601
effort of

1362
01:37:55,482 --> 01:37:57,022
the, uh, adjoining city.

1363
01:37:58,092 --> 01:38:01,762
Got it. And just to make sure, 'cause when acronyms are thrown around, you never

1364
01:38:01,782 --> 01:38:05,682
know, but, um, the HVHC, is that for, like, City

1365
01:38:05,782 --> 01:38:09,502
Hall, the air conditioning, heating, all that stuff that we need to

1366
01:38:09,562 --> 01:38:09,842
do?

1367
01:38:10,122 --> 01:38:10,462
Mm-hmm.

1368
01:38:11,322 --> 01:38:14,102
I don't remember what we were expecting that cost to come out to.

1369
01:38:14,122 --> 01:38:17,222
It was pretty big, right? I don't remember-

1370
01:38:17,242 --> 01:38:17,252
Mm

1371
01:38:17,252 --> 01:38:19,382
... the numbers we were talking for that.

1372
01:38:19,482 --> 01:38:22,852
I heard 1.4. Is that the number you got, too? Yeah.

1373
01:38:22,902 --> 01:38:23,362
A lot.

1374
01:38:23,502 --> 01:38:23,902
A lot.

1375
01:38:23,982 --> 01:38:24,562
A lot.

1376
01:38:24,602 --> 01:38:24,842
Yeah.

1377
01:38:24,882 --> 01:38:25,142
Yeah.

1378
01:38:25,682 --> 01:38:26,382
But you gotta remember-

1379
01:38:26,392 --> 01:38:26,762
'Cause I know-

1380
01:38:26,842 --> 01:38:29,302
it was put in here in 1975-

1381
01:38:29,362 --> 01:38:29,482
Yeah

1382
01:38:29,522 --> 01:38:30,402
... '76.

1383
01:38:30,442 --> 01:38:33,342
Okay. I've heard about, I've heard about

1384
01:38:33,562 --> 01:38:36,522
it. I hear it's bad.

1385
01:38:37,002 --> 01:38:40,732
So the, the percentage of, on the health insurance

1386
01:38:40,802 --> 01:38:43,042
plan, you said we're at 20-

1387
01:38:43,322 --> 01:38:44,832
I think it's somewhere in the 20% range.

1388
01:38:44,842 --> 01:38:48,802
Yeah. So, um, the filed

1389
01:38:49,042 --> 01:38:52,712
re- um, plan of acts, correct, the plan of action

1390
01:38:53,422 --> 01:38:57,182
calls for us to be at least 40%

1391
01:38:57,202 --> 01:39:00,352
by fiscal 2034. So-

1392
01:39:00,402 --> 01:39:00,552
Okay

1393
01:39:00,902 --> 01:39:03,922
... we got a little ways to go, but we gonna keep that in

1394
01:39:03,962 --> 01:39:07,872
mind. Uh, the MERS pension plan, uh,

1395
01:39:08,002 --> 01:39:11,842
60% by fiscal 2030, and I think we're at 60-

1396
01:39:11,862 --> 01:39:12,302
Yeah, yeah

1397
01:39:12,802 --> 01:39:14,862
... uh, already. And

1398
01:39:14,922 --> 01:39:17,022
then

1399
01:39:17,882 --> 01:39:20,182
this is a combined, I, and I'm not sure

1400
01:39:21,162 --> 01:39:24,842
w- why these are different, but it says, "The MERS,

1401
01:39:25,002 --> 01:39:25,322
um,

1402
01:39:27,282 --> 01:39:30,922
60, 60% for pension or 40% for

1403
01:39:30,982 --> 01:39:34,912
OPEB by fiscal 2030."

1404
01:39:34,922 --> 01:39:38,202
And this report says, "Retiree healthcare

1405
01:39:38,382 --> 01:39:41,302
OPEB," and I don't know what OPEB means, but

1406
01:39:41,462 --> 01:39:44,022
2031. So those are the

1407
01:39:44,822 --> 01:39:48,142
dates of the corrective action plan with the state.

1408
01:39:48,442 --> 01:39:51,782
OPEB is Other Post-Employment Benefits, uh,

1409
01:39:51,822 --> 01:39:55,722
primarily, uh, healthcare, uh, but there's maybe some other benefits

1410
01:39:55,732 --> 01:39:57,782
that are included, dental and vision

1411
01:39:57,842 --> 01:40:01,082
and...

1412
01:40:01,482 --> 01:40:01,722
Um,

1413
01:40:03,402 --> 01:40:07,082
could you help us understand, um, now that you've gathered from all of us

1414
01:40:07,202 --> 01:40:10,902
kind of what our thoughts are, um, kind of what is your

1415
01:40:11,002 --> 01:40:14,702
next plan of action, and what are you expecting next from

1416
01:40:14,802 --> 01:40:15,302
us?

1417
01:40:16,802 --> 01:40:20,742
Well, for... What I, what I got out of it is, you know, similar to what

1418
01:40:20,822 --> 01:40:24,682
I think, uh, what others internally, uh, you know, staff-wise, and

1419
01:40:24,742 --> 01:40:28,562
just my quick observations, uh, but to try and formulate

1420
01:40:28,602 --> 01:40:32,302
a, a budget to try and hit as many of the targets you gave us.

1421
01:40:32,442 --> 01:40:36,082
Um, you know, I think it, uh, um, so

1422
01:40:36,402 --> 01:40:39,462
that's part of the feedback that I, you know, look for is, "Okay, what's important

1423
01:40:39,502 --> 01:40:43,382
to you?" And, and I think in a general sense, uh, and, and, you know, what

1424
01:40:43,522 --> 01:40:47,252
is doable, too. Uh, there may be areas where, uh,

1425
01:40:47,382 --> 01:40:51,022
uh, you know, it can't be achieved, but at least you know where, you know, we took

1426
01:40:51,082 --> 01:40:55,022
a look at it, and, and it helps me to, to, uh, you

1427
01:40:55,042 --> 01:40:58,192
know, formulate a, a proposed budget is to, to get...

1428
01:40:58,202 --> 01:41:01,602
You know, normally we probably would, it's, you know, and you did some of that, uh,

1429
01:41:01,642 --> 01:41:05,602
but you'd have a strategic plan or goals and objectives, and I've used that to

1430
01:41:05,642 --> 01:41:09,582
build my budgets in the past based on what the council provides,

1431
01:41:09,622 --> 01:41:12,862
and we usually do it over a two-year cycle.

1432
01:41:12,882 --> 01:41:16,782
That way, you know, you, you start lining everything up and to, to try and fit

1433
01:41:16,822 --> 01:41:20,682
the best that you can. So, uh, this gives me good, good feedback, you

1434
01:41:20,722 --> 01:41:23,162
know, sim- in a similar manner.

1435
01:41:23,202 --> 01:41:23,771
Two things.

1436
01:41:23,842 --> 01:41:24,462
Yeah.

1437
01:41:24,682 --> 01:41:28,431
The first one is, um, obviously, we're gonna be leaning on

1438
01:41:28,942 --> 01:41:31,142
your expertise and staff to

1439
01:41:32,382 --> 01:41:36,122
obviously go through all these ideas and kind of say, "Okay, these are the ones

1440
01:41:36,162 --> 01:41:39,771
that I think are the most important, the most realistic, the farthest we can get."

1441
01:41:39,782 --> 01:41:43,742
So obviously, some things will need to be cut, and we'd love to know, you

1442
01:41:43,782 --> 01:41:45,842
know, you know, why that is, and-

1443
01:41:45,862 --> 01:41:45,982
Sure

1444
01:41:46,082 --> 01:41:49,222
... a lot of times it's gonna be budget, but we're obviously gonna be leaning on

1445
01:41:49,262 --> 01:41:53,102
you. A lot of this stuff is our giant wish list, of course, but

1446
01:41:53,182 --> 01:41:55,902
it's also doable. Like, we have opportunities.

1447
01:41:55,942 --> 01:41:56,342
So-

1448
01:41:56,382 --> 01:41:56,502
Yeah

1449
01:41:56,642 --> 01:41:59,362
... we'll lean on you. The other two questions I have, one is

1450
01:41:59,422 --> 01:42:01,472
about, um,

1451
01:42:02,382 --> 01:42:05,362
which, uh, I sent in an email on, and you did get, but

1452
01:42:05,442 --> 01:42:09,042
concerning the new roads that we have and the maintenance

1453
01:42:09,142 --> 01:42:12,732
around those roads. So could you inform us as to what your

1454
01:42:12,822 --> 01:42:16,722
plan is for those and, uh, how you, how you plan to,

1455
01:42:16,802 --> 01:42:18,802
um, maintain them and take care of them?

1456
01:42:18,862 --> 01:42:21,902
Sure. It's a good question. It, uh, you know, Stephanie, I'll let

1457
01:42:21,922 --> 01:42:24,022
her...

1458
01:42:24,082 --> 01:42:25,582
Yeah. So,

1459
01:42:25,702 --> 01:42:28,822
um, right

1460
01:42:28,902 --> 01:42:31,782
now, there is a product called

1461
01:42:31,922 --> 01:42:35,762
Reclamite. It's a pavement conditioner, and there was a

1462
01:42:35,842 --> 01:42:38,142
study on it. Um, hello?

1463
01:42:39,762 --> 01:42:42,282
The battery died.

1464
01:42:44,322 --> 01:42:46,922
Dang! There was a study done on it, and if you, if you

1465
01:42:47,762 --> 01:42:51,602
use this Reclamite within the first year of laying your pavement

1466
01:42:51,642 --> 01:42:55,282
down, it can give you, um, four to five years

1467
01:42:55,422 --> 01:42:59,302
of longevity on your pavement. Now, take that,

1468
01:42:59,312 --> 01:43:03,182
you can Reclamite, you can crack seal, and then you can Reclamite

1469
01:43:03,222 --> 01:43:06,712
again. So the longevity of your roads, you're talking

1470
01:43:06,782 --> 01:43:09,842
about probably, like, eight to ten extra years

1471
01:43:09,882 --> 01:43:14,602
of-

1472
01:43:18,002 --> 01:43:20,272
Eight, eight to ten... It's not on

1473
01:43:20,272 --> 01:43:22,232
either? Hello?

1474
01:43:24,062 --> 01:43:25,842
Just talk to us.

1475
01:43:25,922 --> 01:43:29,012
Okay. Oh, here we are. Thanks, Tyler.

1476
01:43:29,882 --> 01:43:33,382
Um, so you're talking about, like, eight to ten years extra

1477
01:43:33,442 --> 01:43:37,372
longevity on top of a road that probably, depending on

1478
01:43:38,202 --> 01:43:41,982
where it's at now, well, with the new roads, crush and shape, mill and fill, those

1479
01:43:42,002 --> 01:43:45,962
type of things, Lincoln Street, that's probably gonna be even a longer longevity

1480
01:43:46,022 --> 01:43:49,942
on that road because we rebuilt the subbase and the base

1481
01:43:50,022 --> 01:43:53,642
of it.... Um, so you're talking eight to 10 years of extra longevity on top of

1482
01:43:53,682 --> 01:43:55,082
these roads that we're, we're paving.

1483
01:43:55,122 --> 01:43:58,842
But I think the methodology of reclinometering and crack

1484
01:43:58,882 --> 01:44:02,862
sealing, 'cause everybody know- if you don't know, everyone hopefully knows, if you

1485
01:44:02,902 --> 01:44:06,162
don't fill the cracks, the water gets underneath the pavement, and this is how we

1486
01:44:06,182 --> 01:44:09,662
have potholes. Yes. So I think a combination

1487
01:44:09,882 --> 01:44:10,902
of

1488
01:44:12,182 --> 01:44:16,102
reclinometer, crack sealing, maybe throwing in some slurry sealing here and there,

1489
01:44:16,162 --> 01:44:20,032
I'm gonna get with the county on that, see what I can do, um,

1490
01:44:20,122 --> 01:44:23,222
what streets that would best suit for slurry sealing.

1491
01:44:23,322 --> 01:44:26,882
Um, just a combination of things.

1492
01:44:28,362 --> 01:44:31,762
You know, one of the things, if I might just add to it, is, uh, one of the benefits

1493
01:44:31,822 --> 01:44:35,142
of PACER rating as it's developed over the years is

1494
01:44:35,222 --> 01:44:39,182
that it has become abundantly clear it's not just putting

1495
01:44:39,282 --> 01:44:42,642
in or paving a new road, do you have a maintenance plan afterwards?

1496
01:44:43,162 --> 01:44:46,962
It's critical to the extending the value life of that, uh, that, that new

1497
01:44:47,102 --> 01:44:51,012
asset, so. Uh, but there's one of the other benefits of it is, is

1498
01:44:51,022 --> 01:44:54,782
that it's become pretty common knowledge, and just about every public

1499
01:44:54,822 --> 01:44:58,442
works director and engineer knows that, "Okay, now we have it here, we've gotta

1500
01:44:58,482 --> 01:45:01,602
take care of it just to..." And it's really not expensive, it just

1501
01:45:01,702 --> 01:45:05,022
is, just gotta be programmed, a- and you gotta be, you

1502
01:45:05,082 --> 01:45:09,072
know, um, judicious in making sure that you, you take care of

1503
01:45:09,102 --> 01:45:12,042
it the way you should, and it'll- you'll get the life out of it.

1504
01:45:12,082 --> 01:45:13,412
Um...

1505
01:45:13,422 --> 01:45:17,082
Well, I look forward to seeing that in the budget.

1506
01:45:17,182 --> 01:45:20,002
Um, definitely, for sure. Thank you very much.

1507
01:45:20,042 --> 01:45:20,342
Yep.

1508
01:45:21,542 --> 01:45:25,042
Do you want me to stop here? You wanna talk about-

1509
01:45:25,102 --> 01:45:25,782
I can continue.

1510
01:45:25,862 --> 01:45:27,102
Mr. Scott.

1511
01:45:27,142 --> 01:45:30,952
I just have a, a burning question. Uh, over the

1512
01:45:30,952 --> 01:45:33,682
last year and a half or, that we've been doing this housing thing, we've been

1513
01:45:34,022 --> 01:45:37,662
looking at a lot of properties, and, and it seems to me, I can think of a couple

1514
01:45:37,802 --> 01:45:40,252
that are four twenty-five agreements that, uh,

1515
01:45:41,242 --> 01:45:45,132
were completed to a point, and, and

1516
01:45:45,182 --> 01:45:48,112
clearly there was an intention to go further than that.

1517
01:45:48,762 --> 01:45:52,302
And I'm just wondering, do you have to redo the process in a four

1518
01:45:52,322 --> 01:45:55,542
twenty-five agreement that you only did, built half the project

1519
01:45:55,682 --> 01:45:56,822
of?

1520
01:45:58,622 --> 01:46:02,262
You know, I, um, I'd have to go look in more detail about,

1521
01:46:02,382 --> 01:46:06,222
uh, because a lot of times they identify a specific parcel area,

1522
01:46:06,262 --> 01:46:10,152
sometimes there's a term associated with it, and so there may be areas,

1523
01:46:10,202 --> 01:46:14,102
if they didn't develop, uh, twenty-five years ago, that you

1524
01:46:14,142 --> 01:46:17,982
may have to renew it. And, and that's, you know,

1525
01:46:18,362 --> 01:46:19,882
not... I'm not gonna say it's uncommon.

1526
01:46:19,902 --> 01:46:21,782
I'm just trying to make the process easier.

1527
01:46:21,802 --> 01:46:21,812
Yeah.

1528
01:46:21,822 --> 01:46:23,022
What can I sp- you know?

1529
01:46:23,062 --> 01:46:26,162
Yeah. Yeah, no, it's good. It's, it'll require a little more research on my part.

1530
01:46:26,202 --> 01:46:26,662
Yeah.

1531
01:46:26,762 --> 01:46:30,742
Um, but yeah, it's... The ones I've dealt with, too, are very

1532
01:46:30,842 --> 01:46:34,242
specific, uh, in the past, you know, where, where you know they were going to

1533
01:46:34,262 --> 01:46:36,352
develop and, you know, townships and...

1534
01:46:36,362 --> 01:46:39,482
But I think it's becoming more common where townships are willing to have a

1535
01:46:39,542 --> 01:46:43,402
broader, uh, um, area, land area to, for

1536
01:46:43,442 --> 01:46:46,982
that development. Uh, but, but I, you know, I think you had a good system in

1537
01:46:47,042 --> 01:46:50,612
place, so when those were put together, and it's just a matter of looking and

1538
01:46:50,682 --> 01:46:52,622
updating it, uh-

1539
01:46:52,631 --> 01:46:52,691
Mm-hmm

1540
01:46:53,222 --> 01:46:55,482
... um, for today's circumstances.

1541
01:46:55,502 --> 01:46:56,182
Cool.

1542
01:46:56,282 --> 01:46:59,782
And to be honest with you, on those four twenty-five agreements, part of the idea

1543
01:46:59,822 --> 01:47:03,542
there was, we used to have a book, so if somebody come in, we might have three or

1544
01:47:03,582 --> 01:47:05,742
four of those a year or more, and-

1545
01:47:05,822 --> 01:47:05,902
Oh

1546
01:47:06,122 --> 01:47:09,122
... we had a book, you open up, here's the, here's the pages, this is what you

1547
01:47:09,162 --> 01:47:10,822
gotta fill out, and there was a little

1548
01:47:11,642 --> 01:47:15,202
list there, this is the order you had to do these things, so that you didn't goof

1549
01:47:15,222 --> 01:47:18,682
them up. That, unless you found it?

1550
01:47:18,742 --> 01:47:19,652
I haven't found it, uh-

1551
01:47:19,842 --> 01:47:19,852
Oh

1552
01:47:19,852 --> 01:47:21,382
... but I'm gonna have to look now.

1553
01:47:21,422 --> 01:47:24,722
Oh. If somebody came in today and said, "I wanna do a four twenty-five agreement,"

1554
01:47:24,762 --> 01:47:28,582
everybody would be going, "Uh, okay, how do we do

1555
01:47:28,642 --> 01:47:32,242
that?" So that was the point of,

1556
01:47:32,362 --> 01:47:34,532
"Let's, let's get back to the simple way.

1557
01:47:34,562 --> 01:47:38,342
When somebody comes in, we take a book out, this is what you do." And

1558
01:47:38,422 --> 01:47:42,232
that takes some- somebody with expertise and time to...

1559
01:47:42,242 --> 01:47:44,722
It, it was, it was a process.

1560
01:47:44,742 --> 01:47:45,452
Yep.

1561
01:47:45,702 --> 01:47:49,542
It, it, it is, like, the township doesn't have to give up their land,

1562
01:47:50,402 --> 01:47:50,882
you know?

1563
01:47:50,902 --> 01:47:51,502
Mm-hmm.

1564
01:47:51,522 --> 01:47:55,122
They still, it's still in the township, but it's, in

1565
01:47:55,182 --> 01:47:58,942
essence, annexed, but it's not. And if they run the agreement

1566
01:47:59,002 --> 01:48:00,902
out, and they, or the development...

1567
01:48:00,942 --> 01:48:03,862
There's, there's a clause in all of those, if the development doesn't take place in

1568
01:48:03,902 --> 01:48:05,462
so many da- or so many years,

1569
01:48:06,382 --> 01:48:10,161
it reverts back to the township, and the four twenty-five agreement goes away.

1570
01:48:10,221 --> 01:48:13,962
Otherwise, you'd have people all around us, just four twenty-fiving in, if they

1571
01:48:14,002 --> 01:48:17,182
could. But on the other hand, a developer or somebody else

1572
01:48:18,862 --> 01:48:22,702
who wants that to be four twenty-fived in, is gonna start paying s- the

1573
01:48:22,882 --> 01:48:26,632
city tax rate. We're gonna give a portion of that to the

1574
01:48:26,662 --> 01:48:30,602
township, whatever they've been collecting anyway, and sometimes depends

1575
01:48:30,622 --> 01:48:33,782
on what it is, a little less, little... It's always negotiable.

1576
01:48:33,822 --> 01:48:37,792
But, so if somebody wants to four twenty-five a piece of property in, they can

1577
01:48:37,822 --> 01:48:41,182
start paying city taxes on it, they are gonna wanna develop

1578
01:48:41,202 --> 01:48:43,762
it. That's the good thing about it.

1579
01:48:43,782 --> 01:48:47,312
And then once you get it developed, then, you

1580
01:48:47,362 --> 01:48:51,342
know, they get water and sewer. That's, that's the whole holdup is,

1581
01:48:52,062 --> 01:48:55,922
the city, if you wanted to do a development outside the city, they're gonna need

1582
01:48:55,962 --> 01:48:57,242
water and sewer.

1583
01:48:57,322 --> 01:48:57,762
Right.

1584
01:48:57,822 --> 01:48:58,802
So the city will say,

1585
01:48:59,662 --> 01:49:03,322
"No, you're not. You're gonna annex in, or we'll do a four

1586
01:49:03,362 --> 01:49:07,162
twenty-five, and we'll give you water and sewer." That's the whole

1587
01:49:07,202 --> 01:49:11,042
process. So it stays in the township, they get their tax

1588
01:49:11,122 --> 01:49:14,882
money on a higher... Because they developed it, then they get their tax

1589
01:49:14,922 --> 01:49:18,422
dollars on a higher amount of assessment, but

1590
01:49:18,862 --> 01:49:19,742
the city gets

1591
01:49:20,582 --> 01:49:24,102
12 mills or 11 for the city

1592
01:49:24,182 --> 01:49:25,122
services.

1593
01:49:25,242 --> 01:49:27,742
I really want your speed plan.

1594
01:49:28,062 --> 01:49:29,342
So do I, but I don't know where it went.

1595
01:49:29,622 --> 01:49:31,132
Let us get that book.

1596
01:49:31,602 --> 01:49:34,202
It was in a book. Mr. Christensen?

1597
01:49:34,262 --> 01:49:38,212
I just wanted to ask Stephanie, uh, this process you were talking about

1598
01:49:38,262 --> 01:49:42,202
for, to help give longevity to the streets, would that apply

1599
01:49:42,242 --> 01:49:44,902
to our parking lots as well?

1600
01:49:44,962 --> 01:49:46,002
Mm.

1601
01:49:46,082 --> 01:49:48,702
I noticed the parking lots, we're starting to see a lot of cracks in them, and I'm

1602
01:49:48,742 --> 01:49:50,762
just wondering if that's a possibility.

1603
01:49:51,966 --> 01:49:55,806
... Yeah, so I plan on putting the parking lots in my, um,

1604
01:49:56,286 --> 01:49:58,906
longevity plan, if you will call it.

1605
01:49:58,986 --> 01:49:59,406
Um,

1606
01:50:00,766 --> 01:50:04,706
probably about 75% of the parking lots are not even at maintenance level right now,

1607
01:50:04,716 --> 01:50:08,336
and they need to be redone, so I can put them into a

1608
01:50:08,366 --> 01:50:12,346
rotation. My goal is to have streets on a

1609
01:50:12,366 --> 01:50:15,266
rotation, right? So this year I know I'm doing these

1610
01:50:15,626 --> 01:50:19,186
streets' maintenance work, right? I'm just talking about maintenance work.

1611
01:50:19,266 --> 01:50:21,526
This year, these are- this is what gets maintenanced, right?

1612
01:50:21,566 --> 01:50:24,746
A road doesn't need to be maintenanced every year if you take care of them from the

1613
01:50:24,846 --> 01:50:26,146
start. Um,

1614
01:50:27,046 --> 01:50:30,006
for the most part, I mean, there might be some light crack sealing and stuff like

1615
01:50:30,046 --> 01:50:33,846
that, but to get them on a rotation, including the parking lots, is the goal, the

1616
01:50:33,906 --> 01:50:36,786
idea anyways.

1617
01:50:38,206 --> 01:50:39,206
Good. Thank you.

1618
01:50:39,226 --> 01:50:41,346
Before we, um, con- uh, I'm sorry.

1619
01:50:41,366 --> 01:50:42,006
Go ahead.

1620
01:50:42,266 --> 01:50:45,986
We were gonna talk, uh... Stephanie had gotten, uh, last year,

1621
01:50:46,066 --> 01:50:49,586
uh, uh, the city had bid out, um, paving,

1622
01:50:49,686 --> 01:50:52,706
uh, services. Reeth Riley was the low bidder

1623
01:50:53,606 --> 01:50:57,546
by 13, 14%, something like that. They approached

1624
01:50:57,586 --> 01:51:01,326
her about, uh, whether the, the city would be willing to, uh,

1625
01:51:01,606 --> 01:51:04,286
accept, uh, hol- they would hold the cost-

1626
01:51:04,326 --> 01:51:04,526
Yeah

1627
01:51:04,536 --> 01:51:08,446
... uh, of which they were the low bid, uh, to do some spring, uh,

1628
01:51:08,526 --> 01:51:12,366
paving work. So, uh, you know, again, they were the low bid pretty

1629
01:51:12,386 --> 01:51:16,326
substantially, you know, I thought last year with, uh, four other bidders, and

1630
01:51:16,366 --> 01:51:19,396
they're a very legitimate, uh, paving company.

1631
01:51:19,446 --> 01:51:23,166
And, and so, you know, Stephanie and I had the conversation that we'll bring it up

1632
01:51:23,246 --> 01:51:26,266
and see if the con-, uh, council's pleasure is there.

1633
01:51:26,286 --> 01:51:29,466
But they're willing to hold the per- the unit prices that they provided last

1634
01:51:29,526 --> 01:51:32,466
year, uh, and eventually be looking at some

1635
01:51:32,606 --> 01:51:35,106
spring, you know, some, some work done this year.

1636
01:51:35,126 --> 01:51:39,066
We'd have to pull it out of some of our fund balance, but, um, and Stephanie could

1637
01:51:39,146 --> 01:51:42,106
identify which, which roads that we'd probably be looking at.

1638
01:51:42,126 --> 01:51:43,476
Mm, yes, I can.

1639
01:51:43,486 --> 01:51:43,926
What's that?

1640
01:51:43,966 --> 01:51:44,966
I said, yes, I can.

1641
01:51:45,006 --> 01:51:45,266
Yep.

1642
01:51:45,286 --> 01:51:46,146
Right.

1643
01:51:46,156 --> 01:51:49,096
So is there a willingness, uh, for council to consider that if we brought that

1644
01:51:49,206 --> 01:51:52,006
back, um, you know, in that, that form?

1645
01:51:52,046 --> 01:51:54,066
We could just ex- extend the contract.

1646
01:51:54,076 --> 01:51:54,076
Yeah.

1647
01:51:54,086 --> 01:51:57,886
And to remind you all, the HMA prices in that contract were around

1648
01:51:57,896 --> 01:52:01,785
$70 a ton. Normally, it's $110. So, for instance,

1649
01:52:01,826 --> 01:52:05,766
like Lincoln Street, the engineer's estimate that- estimate on that, based off

1650
01:52:05,866 --> 01:52:09,706
of the prices that we paid for these streets

1651
01:52:09,766 --> 01:52:13,026
right out here, Washington, Oliver, and Stoddard, was about a

1652
01:52:13,086 --> 01:52:16,146
$840,000 job. We did it for

1653
01:52:16,156 --> 01:52:19,635
$500,000 with that contract last year, or

1654
01:52:19,666 --> 01:52:22,666
this... Yeah, this, this past fall.

1655
01:52:22,686 --> 01:52:23,415
Sweet.

1656
01:52:23,446 --> 01:52:26,786
And that I did send him the streets.

1657
01:52:26,806 --> 01:52:30,506
I can tell you them if you'd like. Um, but I also

1658
01:52:30,546 --> 01:52:34,006
included all the parking lots down Washington, city parking lots,

1659
01:52:34,826 --> 01:52:38,066
um, and then the West End Fire Station, 'cause that needs some help.

1660
01:52:38,106 --> 01:52:41,586
The parking lots over here off of Bostwick are not as in bad of

1661
01:52:41,626 --> 01:52:45,066
shape, and like I said, getting everything on a rotation means

1662
01:52:45,606 --> 01:52:49,046
I can't do them all at once. I don't want to do them all at once, 'cause then the

1663
01:52:49,106 --> 01:52:51,066
rotation's gonna be that much harder for

1664
01:52:52,726 --> 01:52:56,626
dollars every year. So if I can get them on a staggered rotation,

1665
01:52:56,666 --> 01:52:59,286
it'll be easier.

1666
01:53:00,946 --> 01:53:04,026
Which brings up a question in those Washington parking lots.

1667
01:53:04,086 --> 01:53:07,886
I was working with Rob a month ago or whatever, uh, to

1668
01:53:07,926 --> 01:53:10,886
get some handicap parking at John's end of

1669
01:53:10,986 --> 01:53:14,266
that, uh, parking lot-

1670
01:53:14,306 --> 01:53:14,526
Mm-hmm

1671
01:53:14,566 --> 01:53:17,246
... uh, for the businesses that are

1672
01:53:17,766 --> 01:53:20,426
on- They basically have no-

1673
01:53:20,436 --> 01:53:20,436
Lovett?

1674
01:53:20,436 --> 01:53:22,226
... handicap parking. Yeah.

1675
01:53:22,246 --> 01:53:22,676
At the Lovett.

1676
01:53:22,676 --> 01:53:23,306
Lovett end.

1677
01:53:23,316 --> 01:53:24,226
Got you.

1678
01:53:24,306 --> 01:53:26,646
Right, and, uh, I don't know where that is.

1679
01:53:26,726 --> 01:53:28,486
Um, but I was wondering if-

1680
01:53:28,586 --> 01:53:29,855
Never heard of it.

1681
01:53:29,966 --> 01:53:33,066
Right, which is why I'm bringing it up right now.

1682
01:53:33,075 --> 01:53:33,086
Lovett.

1683
01:53:33,146 --> 01:53:36,706
Right, uh, that, that's where we were on that, as a business owner right down there

1684
01:53:36,746 --> 01:53:40,106
was, was saying, "Man, w- we got people in wheelchairs getting out of their cars,

1685
01:53:40,146 --> 01:53:42,075
having to go around the block because we can't...

1686
01:53:42,186 --> 01:53:43,866
You know, we need, we need a place to park."

1687
01:53:43,876 --> 01:53:45,206
Yeah. Not sure I didn't hear about that.

1688
01:53:45,246 --> 01:53:46,366
Right. We'll talk about it.

1689
01:53:46,406 --> 01:53:46,586
Yeah.

1690
01:53:46,606 --> 01:53:47,156
Okay. Thank you.

1691
01:53:47,166 --> 01:53:48,326
That's as easy as painting-

1692
01:53:48,386 --> 01:53:48,415
Yes, right

1693
01:53:48,415 --> 01:53:50,286
... by the way. We've got the paint at the garage.

1694
01:53:50,326 --> 01:53:51,146
That's what I told them as well.

1695
01:53:51,166 --> 01:53:54,846
Get that work if you're obligated anyways to, to meet the requirement-

1696
01:53:54,866 --> 01:53:54,986
Yeah

1697
01:53:54,996 --> 01:53:55,846
... of handicap space.

1698
01:53:55,886 --> 01:53:57,526
There's ADA compliance stuff-

1699
01:53:57,536 --> 01:53:57,536
Yeah

1700
01:53:57,536 --> 01:53:58,986
... that's supposed to be followed, so-

1701
01:53:59,026 --> 01:53:59,616
Yeah.

1702
01:53:59,646 --> 01:54:00,166
Yeah.

1703
01:54:00,176 --> 01:54:03,516
So, uh, to, to answer your question, um,

1704
01:54:05,806 --> 01:54:08,246
I, I mean, I think I'm interested in that for sure.

1705
01:54:08,325 --> 01:54:08,476
Um,

1706
01:54:09,825 --> 01:54:13,006
that sounds good. And then I have another thing.

1707
01:54:13,526 --> 01:54:16,946
I guess this kind of goes to the housing committee, but somebody put in

1708
01:54:17,566 --> 01:54:21,506
infill development, which to me brings the, the greatest

1709
01:54:21,626 --> 01:54:25,146
bang for its buck when you talk to- when you're talking about, like,

1710
01:54:25,226 --> 01:54:28,986
housing and expanding housing, where you already have stuff, where you don't have

1711
01:54:29,066 --> 01:54:32,946
to annex in and run water to it. There's a lot of

1712
01:54:33,006 --> 01:54:36,756
space, even downtown, even in my own business, where you could fit four

1713
01:54:36,786 --> 01:54:39,036
apartments, just above my karate school, you know?

1714
01:54:39,066 --> 01:54:39,586
So there's-

1715
01:54:39,726 --> 01:54:39,786
Mm-hmm

1716
01:54:40,226 --> 01:54:43,806
... getting the infilling done, and people ask me, "Why haven't you had

1717
01:54:43,846 --> 01:54:47,606
apartments up there?" Well, it's very cost- it's very

1718
01:54:47,646 --> 01:54:51,126
costly because the upstairs are not in good condition at all.

1719
01:54:51,786 --> 01:54:55,586
They, um, they need a lot of rework, so hopefully, you

1720
01:54:55,626 --> 01:54:58,446
guys continue to focus on that. I'm glad to see that came

1721
01:54:58,526 --> 01:55:00,146
up.

1722
01:55:00,166 --> 01:55:00,806
We'll put in-

1723
01:55:00,966 --> 01:55:04,506
Well, I guess where we're at then, M- Mr. Tin, did you have something else?

1724
01:55:04,516 --> 01:55:04,826
Y- y-

1725
01:55:05,826 --> 01:55:06,066
well,

1726
01:55:07,206 --> 01:55:11,106
what I would like to suggest is that now that this document

1727
01:55:11,186 --> 01:55:11,706
is out,

1728
01:55:12,606 --> 01:55:16,466
uh, certainly having a list of, what, 40-some things

1729
01:55:16,546 --> 01:55:20,006
is unrealistic. Uh, we need

1730
01:55:20,106 --> 01:55:24,066
to, um, concentrate,

1731
01:55:24,186 --> 01:55:28,086
uh, and, and slim this down for what, what do we expect

1732
01:55:28,106 --> 01:55:31,666
that we can do in this coming year, in this coming

1733
01:55:31,686 --> 01:55:32,106
budget?

1734
01:55:33,426 --> 01:55:37,126
But I think that, that, uh... And I don't know if it's ever been done,

1735
01:55:37,186 --> 01:55:40,046
but I would suggest that we have a town hall

1736
01:55:40,966 --> 01:55:42,525
with, uh, the

1737
01:55:43,366 --> 01:55:44,406
public invited

1738
01:55:45,226 --> 01:55:47,346
to tell us what,

1739
01:55:48,246 --> 01:55:52,226
uh, on this list are important to them and get some feedback,

1740
01:55:52,326 --> 01:55:55,970
or that we do a survey-... on the website

1741
01:55:56,590 --> 01:56:00,470
and says, you know, "Pick your top 10," or whatever

1742
01:56:00,510 --> 01:56:04,480
from that standpoint, and, and try to get as much input as we can from

1743
01:56:04,510 --> 01:56:08,290
the citizens, um, on, on what we should try

1744
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:09,890
to accomplish next year.

1745
01:56:11,150 --> 01:56:15,020
So that, that would be m- my suggestion to, to,

1746
01:56:15,330 --> 01:56:19,270
uh, try to get some input from, from our citizens, you know, as

1747
01:56:19,370 --> 01:56:23,250
well as to have a list that's, uh...

1748
01:56:23,290 --> 01:56:27,190
And, and the city manager will have to tell us, is, is it realistic or

1749
01:56:27,250 --> 01:56:31,130
not from that standpoint? And then we can, we can go

1750
01:56:31,230 --> 01:56:35,150
from there. 'Cause we, we, we know how much money, um, revenue

1751
01:56:35,210 --> 01:56:38,830
sharing that we're gonna be getting, which will be cut a little bit.

1752
01:56:38,930 --> 01:56:42,800
Uh, we know that we'll have more money, uh, from transportation

1753
01:56:42,890 --> 01:56:46,750
for the roads. Exactly what that number is, we don't

1754
01:56:46,770 --> 01:56:50,630
know. They've ha- they've done, uh, revenue estimates,

1755
01:56:50,650 --> 01:56:52,620
uh, for that, um,

1756
01:56:53,670 --> 01:56:56,640
and, and what, uh, we should expect, uh,

1757
01:56:56,670 --> 01:57:00,000
money-wise, and then, uh, the fire and

1758
01:57:00,090 --> 01:57:03,730
police, uh, dollars as well. So,

1759
01:57:03,870 --> 01:57:04,690
uh,

1760
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:08,730
that, that would be my suggestion, uh.

1761
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:09,230
Okay, so

1762
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:14,340
really what I'm hearing is that the manager supplied us this list,

1763
01:57:15,130 --> 01:57:19,010
and what he said was that this gives him something to go with.

1764
01:57:19,070 --> 01:57:22,720
If we let the manager manage and let the, uh,

1765
01:57:22,730 --> 01:57:26,710
department heads work with him, and then at the same time, if he finds

1766
01:57:26,770 --> 01:57:28,970
a way that he can get public input on-

1767
01:57:28,980 --> 01:57:28,980
Yep

1768
01:57:28,980 --> 01:57:32,610
... some of these things, or cut some of them out, or whatever that you don't think

1769
01:57:32,650 --> 01:57:36,630
are... I think this, this could make the budget a lot simpler

1770
01:57:36,710 --> 01:57:40,370
for us if we let him run with what he thinks and

1771
01:57:40,950 --> 01:57:43,610
get the departments involved and, and

1772
01:57:44,770 --> 01:57:47,850
see what he comes up with. I mean, that would be,

1773
01:57:47,950 --> 01:57:51,710
uh... I think that's... Unless you're looking for something else?

1774
01:57:51,770 --> 01:57:53,780
No, I think the feedback I've got is good.

1775
01:57:53,790 --> 01:57:56,680
Uh, and a lot of times there's things that you, you'll have some...

1776
01:57:56,690 --> 01:58:00,350
You know, part of it is I'm just following up with, uh, you know, thinking through

1777
01:58:00,410 --> 01:58:04,150
Councilman Chinn's suggestion. Um, there is

1778
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:06,930
public hearings required, uh, to adapt the budget.

1779
01:58:06,970 --> 01:58:10,090
You know, how do you get that feedback once you kind of get the core of it in

1780
01:58:10,130 --> 01:58:14,070
place? I mean, there's some discretionary items that the council, you

1781
01:58:14,110 --> 01:58:17,790
know, may, you know, have to make some decisions on one way or the

1782
01:58:17,890 --> 01:58:21,210
other. You know, like the HVAC system, that type of thing.

1783
01:58:21,250 --> 01:58:25,230
You know, how do you apply, you know, do the financing and, uh, if you're

1784
01:58:25,250 --> 01:58:27,850
gonna go forward with it, and those type of things.

1785
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:31,160
So there is, there is, there's some decisions that you'll have, and I can give you,

1786
01:58:31,190 --> 01:58:32,110
like, little decision

1787
01:58:33,450 --> 01:58:37,270
packages that you can, you know, contemplate whether you wanna put that in or

1788
01:58:37,330 --> 01:58:40,070
take something out, so that type of thing.

1789
01:58:40,270 --> 01:58:40,719
Uh-

1790
01:58:40,730 --> 01:58:41,810
Sounds like a good idea.

1791
01:58:41,850 --> 01:58:44,910
Yeah, and that way you get public input from it as well.

1792
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:46,750
Um...

1793
01:58:48,050 --> 01:58:50,350
Okay, so you'll proceed forward then, correct?

1794
01:58:50,370 --> 01:58:51,470
I got plenty to do.

1795
01:58:51,510 --> 01:58:53,310
All right.

1796
01:58:55,630 --> 01:58:58,670
brings us to public comment.

1797
01:59:00,090 --> 01:59:02,290
Mr. Public, do you wanna comment?

1798
01:59:02,610 --> 01:59:04,710
John. Anyone? John?

1799
01:59:04,810 --> 01:59:07,630
Duck in s- in case the ax comes out.

1800
01:59:08,110 --> 01:59:08,810
Bueller.

1801
01:59:10,430 --> 01:59:11,790
Anybody online this time?

1802
01:59:11,830 --> 01:59:14,450
I think Jody was on there earlier.

1803
01:59:14,490 --> 01:59:16,870
An opening? Did he announce it?

1804
01:59:18,410 --> 01:59:20,810
I think I'm unmuted. Can you hear me?

1805
01:59:20,830 --> 01:59:22,850
He announced you're opening.

1806
01:59:24,610 --> 01:59:27,550
So Jody's on the, online?

1807
01:59:28,570 --> 01:59:29,270
Jody, go ahead.

1808
01:59:29,279 --> 01:59:33,250
Can you hear me okay? Um, it's,

1809
01:59:33,370 --> 01:59:37,110
it's showing that I'm unmuted. So, um, there's three things I wanted to

1810
01:59:37,210 --> 01:59:40,850
say. First of all, um, I wanted to just, um, say

1811
01:59:40,910 --> 01:59:44,680
that, uh, I haven't heard it, so Michaela did such a wonderful

1812
01:59:44,790 --> 01:59:48,350
job of filling in, um, in the absence of

1813
01:59:48,390 --> 01:59:49,490
our, um,

1814
01:59:50,370 --> 01:59:54,210
our clerk be- until we got our new one, and it sounds like,

1815
01:59:54,290 --> 01:59:56,490
um, things are getting taken over pretty well.

1816
01:59:56,510 --> 01:59:59,650
But I wanna give a big shout-out to Michaela for what she

1817
01:59:59,750 --> 02:00:03,150
did. Um, the second thing I wanted to say

1818
02:00:03,310 --> 02:00:07,090
is, the city manager report, as far as transparency goes,

1819
02:00:07,130 --> 02:00:10,250
perfect. That's wonderful, because we get to see what's going

1820
02:00:10,330 --> 02:00:14,150
on. And the third thing is, I'm not 100% sure on this, so I

1821
02:00:14,189 --> 02:00:17,600
need to ask, are our storm and, um,

1822
02:00:18,330 --> 02:00:21,620
sewers combined, or have they been separated?

1823
02:00:21,630 --> 02:00:24,930
And if they have been separated, as we're going down and, and

1824
02:00:25,190 --> 02:00:28,110
redoing the complete infrastructure, is that taking

1825
02:00:28,190 --> 02:00:32,150
place? Um, along with that, Fishbeck, um, has

1826
02:00:32,190 --> 02:00:34,130
been doing this for a very long time.

1827
02:00:34,150 --> 02:00:37,110
Fishbeck was a major part of the big,

1828
02:00:37,210 --> 02:00:40,540
huge, um, sanitary stormwater separation

1829
02:00:40,630 --> 02:00:43,890
project back in the '90s for the city of Lansing.

1830
02:00:43,970 --> 02:00:47,490
Um, so I also thought that I had read that they had put in a

1831
02:00:47,590 --> 02:00:50,950
bid when it went out, but nobody else

1832
02:00:50,990 --> 02:00:54,750
responded. So yes, they are our sole source, but that would be

1833
02:00:54,790 --> 02:00:56,590
because nobody else responded, too.

1834
02:00:56,650 --> 02:00:59,620
So I'm wondering if that's already been covered. So thank you.

1835
02:00:59,670 --> 02:01:02,490
I think that's all I have for today.

1836
02:01:03,890 --> 02:01:07,710
And the, the answer to Jody's question is absolutely, it's very simple.

1837
02:01:07,770 --> 02:01:11,730
We have separate storm drainage, and we have separate sanitary

1838
02:01:11,830 --> 02:01:14,930
sewer drainage, so they all are separated.

1839
02:01:14,970 --> 02:01:17,560
In fact, I can remember when we used to...

1840
02:01:17,590 --> 02:01:18,699
We went around the city for

1841
02:01:19,510 --> 02:01:23,370
I don't know how long in the '80s, and we put smoke in the

1842
02:01:23,430 --> 02:01:27,270
sanitary sewer, and then we would spot houses that looked

1843
02:01:27,310 --> 02:01:30,750
like they were on fire. We got calls of that.

1844
02:01:30,770 --> 02:01:34,010
It was the smoke coming out of the sanitary sewer that went to their eavetroughs,

1845
02:01:34,070 --> 02:01:35,580
so then they had to disconnect those.

1846
02:01:35,610 --> 02:01:39,470
So yes, we have, we have separate storm, and we have separate

1847
02:01:39,550 --> 02:01:40,670
sanitary sewer.

1848
02:01:40,730 --> 02:01:41,410
Sanitary.

1849
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:41,670
So

1850
02:01:44,090 --> 02:01:46,190
nobody else online, I assume.

1851
02:01:47,090 --> 02:01:50,150
Staff comments. You wanna comment anymore?

1852
02:01:50,250 --> 02:01:54,080
You're the only staff. And

1853
02:01:54,130 --> 02:01:57,890
then mayor and council, and I just was... I talked to the clerk about this.

1854
02:01:57,910 --> 02:02:01,170
She said she'd be the timekeeper. We'll try to stick to that two-minute number,

1855
02:02:01,210 --> 02:02:03,582
and-... We're s- we're starting over.

1856
02:02:03,622 --> 02:02:07,082
We started down there la- you got a long, long time to prepare.

1857
02:02:08,262 --> 02:02:10,362
Mr. Christensen?

1858
02:02:10,402 --> 02:02:14,222
Thank you, sir. Uh, thanks to those of you that made your way here tonight and

1859
02:02:14,282 --> 02:02:14,942
online.

1860
02:02:15,902 --> 02:02:19,802
Uh, let's see. Last Saturday night, uh, we attended

1861
02:02:19,822 --> 02:02:23,042
the soft opening at Viking Edge downtown.

1862
02:02:23,122 --> 02:02:26,382
I had a great time. I, I think it's gonna be a wonderful addition to our

1863
02:02:26,462 --> 02:02:29,862
downtown. Uh, i- i- it's, it's a unique

1864
02:02:29,942 --> 02:02:32,472
experience to throw an axe, I will say that.

1865
02:02:33,782 --> 02:02:34,091
Um,

1866
02:02:35,162 --> 02:02:39,092
uh, and speaking of, uh, Viking's Edge, Friday at four o'clock is a ribbon cutting

1867
02:02:39,122 --> 02:02:42,662
downtown at, uh, their location. Nordic Fire

1868
02:02:42,762 --> 02:02:46,622
Festival this weekend, so, uh, I think town's gonna be pretty busy

1869
02:02:46,662 --> 02:02:50,562
without a doubt. Uh, uh, and I, and I hope it's bigger than last

1870
02:02:50,622 --> 02:02:54,222
year. Uh, I had the opportunity to attend the,

1871
02:02:54,302 --> 02:02:57,632
uh, Coordinated Response, uh, Pipeline Safety

1872
02:02:57,742 --> 02:02:58,322
Program

1873
02:02:59,142 --> 02:03:02,402
up in Lansing, which is, uh, coordinated with Miss Dig

1874
02:03:02,582 --> 02:03:05,862
811. Learned a lot of things. I always thought

1875
02:03:06,342 --> 02:03:10,262
living in town, in, in my little yard, if I needed to dig

1876
02:03:10,272 --> 02:03:13,522
a trench with my shovel, it's not a big deal.

1877
02:03:13,542 --> 02:03:17,442
But, but I learned, if you're gonna dig anything in your yard, even with a hand

1878
02:03:17,542 --> 02:03:21,422
tool, you need to call 811, because you can create yourself a lot of

1879
02:03:21,482 --> 02:03:24,522
problems. So, um, definitely keep that in

1880
02:03:24,562 --> 02:03:28,322
mind. Uh, that's all I have. Thanks.

1881
02:03:29,162 --> 02:03:30,952
I have nothing.

1882
02:03:31,042 --> 02:03:31,372
Uh,

1883
02:03:32,282 --> 02:03:33,622
you?

1884
02:03:33,642 --> 02:03:37,612
Well... I- the only thing I

1885
02:03:37,662 --> 02:03:41,542
have is I, I just wanna reit- reiterate, I, I think having a

1886
02:03:41,602 --> 02:03:44,082
town hall meeting would be a, would be a great idea.

1887
02:03:44,182 --> 02:03:46,502
I would, I would suggest getting it out of this building.

1888
02:03:46,622 --> 02:03:50,602
I, I th- I, I've been arguing for, for years that the Methodist Church across the

1889
02:03:50,682 --> 02:03:53,552
street is just, like, built for town hall meetings.

1890
02:03:53,622 --> 02:03:57,582
It just looks like it. And I, I think we should do more of that.

1891
02:03:57,602 --> 02:04:01,412
Um, it... This is, uh, I've been on council for over two years,

1892
02:04:01,482 --> 02:04:05,222
and I, I really haven't played with any of these people much o- on the side, and we

1893
02:04:05,262 --> 02:04:08,342
haven't- we don't see each other outside the building, and we're scared to death to

1894
02:04:08,422 --> 02:04:12,362
meet in, you know, more than twos. So, uh, it- I

1895
02:04:12,382 --> 02:04:16,342
don't know. I think we need to get out and be with the people a, a little more

1896
02:04:16,422 --> 02:04:19,962
often, since they clearly won't come in and play with us, except for John and my

1897
02:04:20,002 --> 02:04:22,382
wife. That's all I have.

1898
02:04:22,442 --> 02:04:24,322
Mr. Chen?

1899
02:04:25,382 --> 02:04:29,222
Uh, tomorrow at five o'clock, I'll be at the, uh, Charlotte

1900
02:04:29,282 --> 02:04:32,702
Library with Senator Anthony, uh, as

1901
02:04:33,042 --> 02:04:36,982
she, uh, is coming into town to talk about what's going on

1902
02:04:37,022 --> 02:04:39,582
with the state and the state budget.

1903
02:04:39,682 --> 02:04:39,912
Um,

1904
02:04:40,942 --> 02:04:42,722
MML, um,

1905
02:04:43,982 --> 02:04:47,752
we have, uh, a panic going on, uh,

1906
02:04:47,762 --> 02:04:51,122
regarding the fact that the, the House introduced five

1907
02:04:51,222 --> 02:04:55,122
bills that literally will take zoning out of the hands

1908
02:04:55,182 --> 02:04:59,012
of the locals and, uh, have the state dictate, uh,

1909
02:04:59,482 --> 02:05:03,122
zoning, uh, for housing. So, uh, they've

1910
02:05:03,222 --> 02:05:06,932
asked, uh, all of the members to, um,

1911
02:05:07,842 --> 02:05:11,762
you know, write a letter, contact your, uh, representative,

1912
02:05:11,782 --> 02:05:13,582
and, and let them know that, uh,

1913
02:05:14,602 --> 02:05:18,142
that's- we need to keep control, s- city

1914
02:05:18,162 --> 02:05:21,331
control, uh, over zoning, uh, from that

1915
02:05:21,422 --> 02:05:25,172
standpoint. Um, for the police department, and I

1916
02:05:25,202 --> 02:05:28,722
don't know, um, I'll be asking, uh, the city

1917
02:05:28,822 --> 02:05:31,982
manager, um, the issue of the flock cameras

1918
02:05:32,942 --> 02:05:34,962
has, has keeps coming up. Uh,

1919
02:05:36,002 --> 02:05:39,682
the legislature has, uh, in, in their

1920
02:05:39,782 --> 02:05:43,562
possession now, uh, the fact that, uh, they,

1921
02:05:43,582 --> 02:05:46,802
they, uh, are looking at establishing strict

1922
02:05:46,902 --> 02:05:50,082
policies, uh, for the use of flock

1923
02:05:50,202 --> 02:05:54,162
cameras. I know w- we've been using them, and my question is,

1924
02:05:54,202 --> 02:05:57,942
is whether or not, uh, we have a written policy of how those

1925
02:05:58,202 --> 02:06:02,122
cameras are used. And it, and it talks about the fact that,

1926
02:06:02,622 --> 02:06:06,462
uh, some, um... You know, how

1927
02:06:06,542 --> 02:06:10,402
long you can keep it, what you can use it for, et cetera.

1928
02:06:10,462 --> 02:06:14,342
And they're suggesting that, uh, we better have one, uh, or

1929
02:06:14,382 --> 02:06:18,062
they'll pass legislation to tell

1930
02:06:18,122 --> 02:06:21,502
us, uh, how we can go about

1931
02:06:21,562 --> 02:06:25,242
there. Uh, I, uh, I had asked this earlier, but

1932
02:06:26,022 --> 02:06:29,842
I'm not sure, uh, who, who, uh, is tracking

1933
02:06:30,402 --> 02:06:33,942
the requirements, whether the requirements are being met for our

1934
02:06:34,002 --> 02:06:34,602
TIFs.

1935
02:06:35,422 --> 02:06:39,042
Uh, I don't need an answer, but that's a question I've- I

1936
02:06:39,582 --> 02:06:43,082
always ask. Uh, I don't know how many TIFs we got out there

1937
02:06:43,302 --> 02:06:46,982
and, and, uh, you know what? I, I know the three

1938
02:06:47,082 --> 02:06:50,982
that, uh, I've approved on, on council, I think two

1939
02:06:51,062 --> 02:06:54,802
before this council, one at, at the council,

1940
02:06:54,902 --> 02:06:58,622
uh, on whether or not, uh, you know, some of them are tied

1941
02:06:58,702 --> 02:07:01,642
to employees, how many employees they have

1942
02:07:01,722 --> 02:07:05,682
guaranteed, uh, and whether or not the, the- those are being

1943
02:07:05,742 --> 02:07:08,622
met. Um, the other is

1944
02:07:08,742 --> 02:07:12,162
the, uh, I would like to, to get a

1945
02:07:12,222 --> 02:07:15,592
report down the line here of the, um,

1946
02:07:15,962 --> 02:07:19,282
audit findings and some of the corrections that have to be

1947
02:07:19,292 --> 02:07:23,062
made. Uh, and, and I don't know whether or not,

1948
02:07:23,082 --> 02:07:26,881
uh, that's being tracked or how that's being reported to make

1949
02:07:26,962 --> 02:07:30,622
sure that we're addressing the audit issues that

1950
02:07:30,822 --> 02:07:34,272
have br- brought up. Uh, and of course, the, the

1951
02:07:34,362 --> 02:07:37,082
governor's budget, um, it, it,

1952
02:07:37,942 --> 02:07:40,202
you know, it's, it is what it is now.

1953
02:07:40,282 --> 02:07:44,112
And, uh, uh, fortunately, uh, Charlotte's not

1954
02:07:44,182 --> 02:07:46,402
gonna get hurt, uh, too bad with it.

1955
02:07:46,422 --> 02:07:50,062
Uh, actually, we're, we're in the positive, uh, from that

1956
02:07:50,142 --> 02:07:51,822
standpoint. Um,

1957
02:07:52,802 --> 02:07:53,042
the

1958
02:07:54,002 --> 02:07:57,862
application, somebody asked me to look into the application that,

1959
02:07:57,962 --> 02:08:01,342
uh, on the Barrett, uh, issue. I don't know if you've heard

1960
02:08:01,402 --> 02:08:05,322
back o- on that, but I don't... I think we,

1961
02:08:05,422 --> 02:08:09,370
uh, w- we did not get-... um,

1962
02:08:10,050 --> 02:08:12,150
anything from that, so, um-

1963
02:08:12,159 --> 02:08:15,820
The one after the, the one in the EDA, EDA

1964
02:08:15,830 --> 02:08:16,520
grant.

1965
02:08:17,410 --> 02:08:21,090
Yep. Um, and I, and I'll get with you on that, so

1966
02:08:21,730 --> 02:08:25,470
I can... Is, is that a state, federal?

1967
02:08:26,230 --> 02:08:30,150
Okay. We still, we still have a couple of senators

1968
02:08:30,170 --> 02:08:32,910
that I can tap for trying to

1969
02:08:35,150 --> 02:08:38,990
get some recognition that we have something in front of them.

1970
02:08:39,070 --> 02:08:42,850
Um, the other thing is, um, during the interim period here,

1971
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:47,350
I know that, uh, with the hiring of the, uh,

1972
02:08:47,450 --> 02:08:51,370
manager, we made some changes. Uh, and certainly

1973
02:08:51,450 --> 02:08:55,110
one of them that, uh, still concerns me is the,

1974
02:08:55,230 --> 02:08:55,510
um,

1975
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:59,950
going to 20,000, uh, in, uh, for the

1976
02:08:59,990 --> 02:09:03,610
purchasing, uh, bid policy. Uh, and,

1977
02:09:03,630 --> 02:09:07,270
and I believe that's, for a city our size and, and our

1978
02:09:07,370 --> 02:09:10,490
budget, in comparison to other cities, that that's the

1979
02:09:10,570 --> 02:09:14,190
highest, uh, authorization of any city

1980
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:16,490
in Michigan. Uh,

1981
02:09:17,370 --> 02:09:20,630
so I'd like to, uh, the council to

1982
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:24,680
consider and, uh, um,

1983
02:09:24,750 --> 02:09:28,530
in, in a future meeting of bringing that back down to

1984
02:09:28,570 --> 02:09:31,830
10,000, uh, that it was originally, uh, set

1985
02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:35,850
at. That's it.

1986
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:39,170
You used up your two minutes.

1987
02:09:40,310 --> 02:09:41,550
Mr. Rodriguez?

1988
02:09:41,590 --> 02:09:45,190
Uh, Mr. Chinn and myself have both brought up the, uh, TIFs,

1989
02:09:45,310 --> 02:09:48,630
and there was an expectation of job

1990
02:09:48,730 --> 02:09:52,570
creation, uh, jobs for those, and so I, I too wonder

1991
02:09:52,630 --> 02:09:53,790
if those are being met.

1992
02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:57,890
Um, I would like us to stay on top of the flock, uh, security

1993
02:09:57,970 --> 02:10:01,540
cameras. I did vote against those, and I still stand against

1994
02:10:01,590 --> 02:10:05,510
them. Um, with that said, it's probably a good idea for

1995
02:10:05,550 --> 02:10:09,530
us to have a good policy in place on the rules, although- ...

1996
02:10:09,550 --> 02:10:13,270
I think that's probably all going through the court system and probably

1997
02:10:13,290 --> 02:10:16,590
heading its way right on up there to possibly the Supreme Court.

1998
02:10:16,610 --> 02:10:20,160
So perhaps that'll be decided, uh, for us.

1999
02:10:20,190 --> 02:10:23,970
And then a, a question I asked earlier with a bunch of other questions

2000
02:10:24,070 --> 02:10:27,770
is, uh, what does the city manager expect from the

2001
02:10:27,810 --> 02:10:31,780
council next? So I think we got your plan, what you're gonna go and

2002
02:10:31,810 --> 02:10:31,920
do,

2003
02:10:32,730 --> 02:10:36,710
but, uh, whatever our next step is, uh, whatever you see as

2004
02:10:36,750 --> 02:10:38,830
our next step would, would be good.

2005
02:10:38,850 --> 02:10:42,650
Although I have, uh, I've been through this process a few times, in

2006
02:10:42,670 --> 02:10:46,330
recent years, we haven't really been able to follow the budget

2007
02:10:46,430 --> 02:10:49,890
plan and timeline that, uh, that I,

2008
02:10:49,970 --> 02:10:53,140
uh, I went through at least, what, three years ago, given our

2009
02:10:53,650 --> 02:10:56,250
current- given our situations in recent years.

2010
02:10:56,310 --> 02:10:59,470
So, um, seeing what your proposed timeline would

2011
02:10:59,570 --> 02:11:03,480
be, and I can send you over what, what my thoughts would

2012
02:11:03,510 --> 02:11:05,020
be as well, if that's what you want.

2013
02:11:05,030 --> 02:11:08,870
But, you know, getting it from you and then allowing the council to kind of see

2014
02:11:08,930 --> 02:11:12,750
that and agree to it would probably be pretty good. That's it. Thanks.

2015
02:11:12,790 --> 02:11:15,170
Yep. Okay, and then

2016
02:11:16,210 --> 02:11:16,550
I think

2017
02:11:17,490 --> 02:11:21,010
I was pretty clear. I think you're gonna go to work without any more input from the

2018
02:11:21,030 --> 02:11:22,290
council, aren't you?

2019
02:11:22,350 --> 02:11:25,850
Well, I'll bring it back... Yeah, I, I got kind of a general idea and try and fit

2020
02:11:25,910 --> 02:11:27,530
as much as I can in there, and-

2021
02:11:27,550 --> 02:11:27,630
Yeah

2022
02:11:27,790 --> 02:11:31,210
... but there's still gonna be some discretion where, you know, look, here's a,

2023
02:11:31,230 --> 02:11:33,630
here's a package where you guys can give me the-

2024
02:11:33,650 --> 02:11:35,039
Gonna give you the option. Gonna give you the option

2025
02:11:35,039 --> 02:11:37,270
... uh, based on your priorities.

2026
02:11:37,330 --> 02:11:37,950
Yeah.

2027
02:11:37,970 --> 02:11:39,130
Cool. That's it.

2028
02:11:39,930 --> 02:11:40,610
Motion to adjourn?

2029
02:11:41,170 --> 02:11:41,910
So moved.

2030
02:11:41,970 --> 02:11:42,210
Second.

2031
02:11:42,250 --> 02:11:44,640
Second. All in favor say, "Aye."

2032
02:11:44,690 --> 02:11:45,810
Aye.

2033
02:11:45,890 --> 02:11:46,790
Meeting adjourned.

2034
02:11:46,830 --> 02:11:49,290
What time Thursday would you be back?