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Okay, we'd like to call the meeting to

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order. Welcome to the Charleton Select

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Board meeting, September 22nd,

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[clears throat] 2026, 6:30 p.m. Town

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Hall meeting room 1, 37 Main Street,

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Charlton, Mass. This meeting is being

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recorded and broadcast live by Charlton

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Cable Access TV on Spectrum TV, channel

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191, and recording available on the

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YouTube channel for Charlton TV. Any

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member of the public who wishes to

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record this meeting must first notify

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the chair. If we could stand for the

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pledge of allegiance, please.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» [snorts]

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>> And Mike, do we have announcements, sir?

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>> Yes. Announcements for the select board

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meeting September 22nd, 2026.

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Dudley Charlton Regional School District

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Special Education, September 29th, 2026

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from 12:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. at the

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Heritage School. Sample ballot on the

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town's clerk town clerk's page. yard

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waste drop off October 17th, 24th, and

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31st, as well as November 7th, and 14th

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from 10:00 a.m. to 2 p.m. at the DPW

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located at 100 Flint Road here in

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Charlton.

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Special town meeting Monday, October

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19th, 2026 at 7 p.m. located at the

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Charlton Middle School. We have state

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election November 3rd, 2026. Early

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voting begins October 17th through

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October 29th, 2026.

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For more information, see the town

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clerk's page for details. The library is

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also having a spice drive for the

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Chip-in Food Pantry from Monday,

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September 14th through Saturday, October

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17th.

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They are accepting donations of new,

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unopened, unexpired spices for chipin to

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distribute with their monthly food

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pickups. You may drop off spices at

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either circulation desk.

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We have been celebrating mushrooms all

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month long. This Thursday, September

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24th, from 6:00 to 7:30 at Dexter Hall,

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it'll be all about mushrooms. Micologist

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Jonathan Crayons will be discussing the

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basic of fungal life and insights on

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foraging for food and special emphasis

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on common mushrooms that are likely to

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be found in our area. At the senior

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center, they have a blood pressure

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clinic from September 24th from 8:30

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a.m. to 10:30 a.m. There's also a

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monthly grief support on September 29th

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at 3:30 p.m. Interdimensional by Ronnie

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Leblanc from the Discovery and Travel

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Channels is October 5th at 10:30 a.m.

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>> Okay, thank you, Mike. And moving on to

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open form. Is there anyone here for open

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form?

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Please come up and

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>> say your name. Hello.

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>> My name is

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>> and I'm the chair of the senior

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community center feasibility committee.

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Um I just had a few things I wanted to

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clarify since the last uh select board

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meeting. Um the proposed article for

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tonight's discussion says senior center

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but I want to clarify that it is a

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senior community center. uh feasibility

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committee has always been called senior community feasibility without

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plans including community center space.

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Um and we've also gotten feedback from

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many residents expressing an interest in

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a community center which I think I had

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also mentioned the last time. Um I also

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want to clarify that the proposed

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article is not a feasibility study. It's

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for the engineering design phase. Um an elaborate topographical analysis was

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done on the Masonic home road property

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for the public safety building and a

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Lero Hill feasibility study was a

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comparison of three options. The

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furniture store property, the town hall

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expansion and renovation and a new

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build. So this Masonic home choice would

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be using the new build from that

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proposal. Um, I want to reiterate that

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there are 3,960

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seniors out of a total population of

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in town today, which is expected to grow

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to 5,000 in the next 5 years. And our

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data indicates that 1194 individuals use

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the center in some form today. And

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finally, I want to say the committee has

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had a little more time to research the

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Masonic home property. Um, and we

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support either the Masonic or the

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Dresser Hill because our goal is the

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same as it has always been to support

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our seniors and the community at large

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with the best possible solution. So,

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>> My name is Bruce Mannon, five Pine Lane.

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the senior community center. Um, we are

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really ready to go. We have web pages

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set up. Uh, I'm sorry, Facebook page set

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up. Um, we have

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t-shirts all set to go. We've got signs.

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we are able to leave here tonight and

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distribute that stuff right out front.

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>> I think we're probably going to address

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most of that when we get down to that on

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the on the item on the agenda, but

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else for open forum?

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>> Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to ask, do

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you want us to wait to speak?

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>> You were on the agenda. So, we just

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» Anyone else here for open forum?

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Hearing one? Seeing none.

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» good evening. Um, my name is Rebecca

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here to um bring to the selectman's

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attention some of the concerns of the

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citizens of Charleton about the

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situation with the fire chief.

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I have concerns about

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someone being left in his position while

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there is an ongoing investigation.

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the board has a policy. The town has a

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policy and you being inherent, you would

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understand that that we don't we don't

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discuss personnel matters

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in open form.

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>> certainly not an open form. And if we do

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discuss personnel matters, the board

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discusses them.

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>> And in an in an executive session, okay,

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at a posted meeting.

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>> So does the board want to know how the

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citizens feel or do you not want to

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know? We just not in open form talking

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about a personnel matter. We're we're

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aware of the situation.

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situation.

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>> It's it's a policy. It's it's it's it's

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beyond a policy. Actually, it's mass

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general law that we just don't discuss

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personnel matters in open.

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>> I'm telling you as a citizen what I

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know. You can do what you with it what

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you will. I'm not telling you what to

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the rules. I can't be

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>> I would like to be able to say what I

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have heard and know and what I

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personally feel about the decision of

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the board. If you would prefer I just

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put that in writing then I will be happy

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board of the board though. Actually,

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we're we're we're starting to get into

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the weaves of this discussion where we

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don't discuss personnel matters. I can't

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make that any more clear.

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and I want to be on record saying this

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now that I feel the town is being put at

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risk for lawsuits. So, if you want to

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consider that just I'm going to have to

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ask it's a personel matter. I

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>> Anyone else for open form with a with a

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other than the last one?

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Moving on.

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Approval of the minutes of the board's

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meeting on September 8th.

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>> Motion to approve the minutes as

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written.

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>> All in favor?

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appointments and resations.

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[clears throat] Andrew.

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>> All right. We received a notice from Liz

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France that she needs to resign from the

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master plan steering committee due to

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family obligations. The board should

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accept her resignation and a letter

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thanking her for her her service to the

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town is in your sign folder.

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» Okay. Motion to

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accept.

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>> I move to accept the letter with regret.

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>> All in favor?

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>> And we are a little early for our 6:45.

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I'll take the uh first few off the

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action items list.

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>> All right. Uh the first action item is

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pavement surfacing of Center Depot Road

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bid award. Bids were open and read for

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pavement surfacing of Center Depot Road

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on September 2nd, 2026 at 2:00 p.m.

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After review of the bid, DPW

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Superintendent Peele is recommending the

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board award the bid to Mass Broken Stone

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Co. in the amount of $367,259.

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I'd recommend the board award the bid as

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requested.

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>> I would move to uh award the bid as

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requested.

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>> All in favor?

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>> I It's unanimous.

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» Right. The next is a special alcoholic

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beverage license for the Overlook Fall

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Festival. attaches an application for a

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special alcoholic beverage license for

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wine and malt beverages from Daniel

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Drager of for the Overlook Fall Festival

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to be held Saturday, October 3rd, 2026

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from 11:00 a.m. to 4 p.m. at 88 Masonic

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Road. The application was forwarded to

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the police chief, building commissioner,

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and fire department for review, which

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all have approved. Per the board's

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policy, the dates on the license should

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include the day before the event to

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allow the alcohol to be delivered, the

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day of the event, and the day the day

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after the event to allow any alcohol

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left over to be picked up.

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I move to approve the special alcoholic

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beverage license as submitted by Daniel

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Darger for wine and malt u beverages to

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be used for the overlook festival with

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the dates on the license to be October

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2nd 2006 to October 4th 2026.

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have a motion and a second. All in

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favor?

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>> I unanimous.

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>> Right. Next we have the Knights of

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Columbus request for a Tootsie Roll

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drive. The Knights of Columbus, Charlton

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Council 11379 is seeking to conduct a

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Tootsie Roll drive to benefit children

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with special needs and disabilities.

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They would like to set up a voluntary

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toll road on Saturday, October 10th,

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2026 from 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. at the corner

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of Main Street and Masonic Road. This

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request has been forwarded and approved

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by the by police chief Dow contingent

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upon the following safety precautions.

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All volunteers must wear bright colored

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vests, yellow, orange, green, or red,

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while soliciting donations. Orange

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traffic cones must be set out on Main

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Street and Sonic Road for a distance not

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less than 50 ft on each respective way

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prior to reaching the toll station. A

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minimum of five traffic cones on each

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roadway should be put in place at

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distance no greater than 10 ft apart.

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and signs warning voluntary toll road

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ahead must be erected on both Masonic

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Home Road and Main Street now less than

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75 ft from the toll collection area.

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Should the board approve this [snorts]

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request, I'd ask you consider including

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Chief Dow's recommendation into the

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motion.

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>> Do I have a motion?

307
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>> I move to approve as written.

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>> Second.

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>> All in favor? I

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>> I unanimous.

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[snorts]

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» Sure. Um opioid settlement funds grant

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application. At the board's May 25th,

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2026 meeting, Jim FA came before the

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board requesting fund funding from the

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opioid settlement fund in support of the

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mission of his nonprofit organization,

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Adam's Parachute. There's currently

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10,000 in uncommitted settlement funding

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under this uh under the opioid

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settlement. The board approved a grant

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application with a cap of $2,500 to

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those that apply if they fit within the

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guidelines of the use of the funds. We

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have [clears throat] received one

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application from Mr. FA for the minim

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maximum amount of $2,500 to be used for

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his nonprofit. I have refused the

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application and it supports the purpose

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of the funds to be used. I recommend the

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board approve the request.

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Do I have a motion to approve?

333
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>> So moved. Second.

334
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>> All in favor?

335
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>> I thank you for your work on that.

336
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>> No problem.

337
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» All right. U

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before we get to our 4 645

339
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um HCA amendment with Troton Investments

340
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LLC pedals cannabis. The Cannabis

341
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Control Commission issued a host

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community notice dated August 21st, 2026

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determining that section 5810 of the HCA

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with Charlton Investments LLC pedals

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canvas is non-compliant under 935 CMR

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500.1804A

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and CMR 501

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58A

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because it requires payment of a

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community impact fee prior to the end of

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the current fiscal year or within 90

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days of the of the commission's CIF

353
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certification. In order to cure this,

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Charlton Investments LLC has amended or

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has proposed an amendment to section 5

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A10 of this agreement to delete in its

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entirety and replace with the following.

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The company shall have the right to

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dispute any community impact fee

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itemized in municipalities invoice for

361
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the licensed year. Companies shall

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annually pay any undisputed CIF no later

363
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than the date of the current current

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fiscal year or within 90 days of the

365
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date of the commission CF certification.

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Whatever is later

367
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is reviewed this amendment and would

368
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recommend the board approve.

369
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>> Do I have a motion? The motion to

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approve as written.

371
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>> Second.

372
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>> All in favor?

373
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We are at 6:44. I have a feeling the f

374
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camera would probably last a little

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longer than one minute.

376
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>> All right.

377
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>> You might want to

378
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>> we'll start the 6:45.

379
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>> All right. 6:45 meeting with finance

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committee finalized special town meeting

381
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warrant and motions and select board to

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close the special town meeting warrant.

383
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site board is scheduled to review and

384
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finalize the special time meeting

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warrant and motions with finance

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committee. The board will also need to

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close the warrant so our office can post

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it with the town clerk by October 1st.

389
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Uh just an outline of each article that

390
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was received. So uh article one

391
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appropriation of funds uh for unpaid

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bills of a prior fiscal year. Article

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two interdep departmental transfers and

394
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appropriations for FY27 budget. Article

395
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three, amendments to the FY2027 budget.

396
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Article four, miscellaneous capital

397
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items and related contracts. Article

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five, we have in here right now, new

399
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senior center design phase. I'll leave

400
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it up to the board if you want to make

401
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,959
any amendments to that. Um, article

402
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seven, amend general laws, general

403
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bylaws, chapter 110, animal control.

404
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Article eight, amend general bylaws

405
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chapter 155, licenses and permits.

406
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Article 9, except Mass General Law,

407
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Chapter 138, Section 33B, sales of

408
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alcoholic beverage licenses by on

409
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premise licenses on Sundays and legal

410
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holidays with sales between 10:00 a.m.

411
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and 12 noon. Article 10, acceptance of

412
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Ashley Road and Amber Road as public

413
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ways. Art and then articles 11 through

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14 are zoning amendments to be

415
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recommended by the planning board. And

416
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article 15 is the citizens petition um

417
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non-binding related to automated license

418
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plate reader surveillance. So you're to

419
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go through each one of these with the

420
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finance committee this evening and

421
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provide your recommendation after

422
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closing the

423
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>> after closing. So I would I would um

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accept a motion to close the warrant.

425
00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:06,400
» Do we close it before? You want to close

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the warrant so no new articles can come

427
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in. You can now make changes to the

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warrant

429
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>> warrant to remove or approve the mask.

430
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Okay. So I move to close the warrant as

431
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written.

432
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>> Second.

433
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>> All in favor?

434
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>> I the warrant is closed.

435
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» How do we want to handle the

436
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appropriation of funds to Well, actually

437
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the finance committee has to open their

438
00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:32,960
meeting.

439
00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,320
>> Yes.

440
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So I will call a meeting to uh the

441
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finance committee to order at 6:45

442
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and we have quum.

443
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>> Okay. So we

444
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,960
>> welcome [laughter]

445
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to good to see you.

446
00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:53,600
>> All right. So article one is

447
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appropriation of funds for bill for

448
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funds for unpaid bills of a prior fiscal

449
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year. We had three I'm sorry if we had

450
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four. Three of them were water sewer

451
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maintenance uh bills to Violia. We had

452
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one um municipal offices and expense

453
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equipment for Worcester elevator.

454
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» So if we get started I will entertain a

455
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motion that the finance committee

456
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support article one as presented.

457
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:22,960
>> I'll make a motion.

458
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>> I have a motion. Second.

459
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,840
>> I have a second. Any discussion?

460
00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,559
Ray. All in favor say yes.

461
00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:31,520
>> Yes.

462
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:32,640
>> Unanimous.

463
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>> Roll call vote because of Zoom or

464
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>> Yeah.

465
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>> Ray. Yes or no?

466
00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:41,200
>> Yes. Ray. Yeah. Thank you.

467
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And I would accept a motion from the

468
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board to accept article one to support

469
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article one.

470
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>> I move to support article one as

471
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written.

472
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>> Second.

473
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>> All in favor? I.

474
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>> Unanimous.

475
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All right. Article article two for

476
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interdep departmental transfers and or

477
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appropriations for the FY27 budget. We

478
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propose no changes to the FY27 budget.

479
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So the recommendation is to pass over

480
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this article indefinitely.

481
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>> I'll make a motion that the finance

482
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committee supports article two.

483
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>> Second.

484
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>> All in favor say yes.

485
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>> Yes. Ready? Say yes. Right.

486
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>> Yes.

487
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And I would I would accept a me a motion

488
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from our board for article.

489
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>> I move to um support the article two as

490
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written.

491
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>> Second.

492
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>> All in favor?

493
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>> I

494
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article three would be amendments to the

495
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FY2027 budget. Um again, we are

496
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proposing no additional changes to the

497
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FY27 [snorts]

498
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budget uh for taxation increases.

499
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So pass over pass over the article

500
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indefinitely. Sorry.

501
00:19:57,679 --> 00:19:59,120
>> Okay. You're going to pass over. So do

502
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we really need to take a vote of

503
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,000
support?

504
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,679
>> Recommend. You recommended.

505
00:20:03,679 --> 00:20:05,120
>> Recommend that we pass over.

506
00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:06,960
>> All right. I'll entertain a motion that

507
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we pass over article three.

508
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» Second.

509
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>> All those in favor say I. Say yes. Ray.

510
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,240
>> Yes.

511
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>> Unanimous.

512
00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,760
>> Now this was sponsored by the finance

513
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,360
comm. Do we need to take a vote on that

514
00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:23,840
as well?

515
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:24,400
>> Yes,

516
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,240
>> we do. Okay.

517
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,480
>> I would accept a motion

518
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,799
>> to pass over on article

519
00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:32,159
>> three.

520
00:20:32,159 --> 00:20:33,760
>> I'll make that motion to pass over in

521
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article three.

522
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:35,520
>> Second.

523
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:36,799
>> All in favor?

524
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>> I.

525
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,000
>> All right. Article four being

526
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miscellaneous capital items and related

527
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contracts. We break this into uh four

528
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separate motions. Uh motion one [snorts]

529
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is the general government side. So, it

530
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is $50,000 for grant match and planning

531
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funds for the select board, $15,000 for

532
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a hydraulic hydraulic and hydronic

533
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analysis of South Charleton reservoir

534
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from the conservation commission,

535
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,520
$50,000 for municipal building

536
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improvements,

537
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um $80,000 for technology replacements

538
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,559
and improvements, and $40,000 to the

539
00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:14,559
library for floor carpeting replacement.

540
00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:17,440
That would be motion one.

541
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,360
Do we have a recommendation of the

542
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:21,360
finance committee?

543
00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,039
>> Finance committee. I'll entertain a

544
00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:26,640
motion. We support article 4 as written.

545
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,159
>> We make a motion. Finance committee

546
00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:30,480
supports article 4 motion one.

547
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,360
>> Second.

548
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,400
>> I have a second. Any discussion?

549
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,159
There being none. All those in favor say

550
00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:36,640
yes.

551
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:36,960
>> Yes.

552
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:37,440
>> Ray.

553
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,159
>> Yes.

554
00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:39,919
>> Unanimous.

555
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:43,120
>> Okay. And select board on the same

556
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,080
motion on the article. I move to support

557
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,080
motion one article 4 as written.

558
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,919
>> Second

559
00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:54,000
motion in a second. All in favor?

560
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,720
>> I

561
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:57,679
motion.

562
00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:00,559
>> Motion two is police items. Uh the only

563
00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:02,799
item for this year are our annual

564
00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,240
cruiser replacements in the amount of

565
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,390
$275,000.

566
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,679
I'll entertain a motion that finance

567
00:22:11,679 --> 00:22:15,200
committee recommends motion two of

568
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,880
article 4. I guess we got to get that

569
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,000
specific.

570
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:18,799
>> I motion.

571
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,120
>> I have a motion. I have a second. Any

572
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,720
discussion?

573
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,559
There being none, all those in favor say

574
00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:25,200
yes.

575
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,400
>> Yes.

576
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,710
It's unanimous.

577
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,880
» Okay. And the board of selectment on

578
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,000
motion two of article four.

579
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,640
I move to support article 4, motion two

580
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,679
as written.

581
00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:40,880
>> Second.

582
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,159
>> All in favor?

583
00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:44,240
>> I

584
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,600
motion three.

585
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,679
>> Yep. Motion three are items related to

586
00:22:47,679 --> 00:22:50,080
the fire department. Uh three items on

587
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,480
the list for this year. An F350 pickup

588
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,400
truck support vehicle in the amount of

589
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,240
110,000.

590
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,960
uh $100,000 for the refurbishment of

591
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,280
Forestry 1 and 61,000 from ambulance

592
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,039
receipts reserved from appropriation for

593
00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:07,679
the purchase of a life pack for the EMS

594
00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:12,149
car.

595
00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:13,600
» I'll make a motion that the finance

596
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,480
committee supports motion three, article

597
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,039
4.

598
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:17,760
>> Second.

599
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,679
>> Have a motion and a second. Any

600
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:22,320
discussion? There being none, all those

601
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,080
in favor say yes.

602
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:24,480
>> Yes.

603
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,760
Ready?

604
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,520
>> Yes.

605
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,549
>> Unanimous.

606
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:32,400
» Okay. And for the select board on

607
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,400
article four, motion three.

608
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,960
>> Make a motion that we support.

609
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,240
>> Second.

610
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,600
>> All in favor?

611
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,200
>> I.

612
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,400
>> Right. The last one out of this was

613
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,960
motion four. These are items related to

614
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:52,240
um DPW, highway, cemetery, and sewer. So

615
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,440
um we have

616
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,559
$140,000 to the highway division for an

617
00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:01,840
F350 utility bucket lift pickup.

618
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,440
$300,000 for an excav excavator with a

619
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,000
rotary mower for the highway division.

620
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,039
$50,000 for a replacement wood chipper

621
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:14,480
for the highway division. $24,000

622
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,799
for cemetery road paving for the

623
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:20,640
cemetery division. $8,000 for K Cabota

624
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,760
accessories for the DPWs uh or for the

625
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,600
cemetery division and $25,000 for office

626
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,240
renovations from the sewer retained

627
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,080
earnings for the sewer division.

628
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,760
>> Entertain a motion that the finance

629
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,480
committee support motion four of article

630
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,279
4.

631
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:39,919
>> Motion.

632
00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:42,159
>> I have a motion. I have a second. Any

633
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:44,480
discussion? There being none, all those

634
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,840
in favor say yes.

635
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,240
>> Yes.

636
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,720
>> Ray. Yes,

637
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,400
>> unanimous.

638
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,880
>> Okay. And for the select board, we have

639
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,799
a motion on article motion four on

640
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:56,480
article four.

641
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,799
>> I move to support article four option um

642
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,360
motion four as written.

643
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,520
>> Second.

644
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,720
>> All in favor?

645
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,990
>> I

646
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,600
article five tried to take direction of

647
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,279
the board as to the appropriate way to

648
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:16,880
craft the wording for this one. So

649
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,320
please tell me if you want to make any

650
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,480
changes before posting. But

651
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,480
>> no, sorry.

652
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:28,549
>> Sorry. Art five as listed right now.

653
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:30,880
» Is uh new senior center and police

654
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,880
department parking expansion design

655
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,960
phase. Uh essentially this is a motion

656
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,600
to appropriate $500,000 from available

657
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,240
free cash to the stated purpose

658
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,080
>> through the chair. Regarding the name

659
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,919
that was brought up, I would like to

660
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,480
suggest to avoid confusion and to be

661
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,200
consistent that we insert the word

662
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,679
community after

663
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:56,000
senior. So it would be the new senior

664
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,720
community center design phase. Uh this

665
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,960
is consistent with what the committee

666
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,520
was the select board um appointed many

667
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,080
years ago. Um and it's what the chairman

668
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,120
mentioned earlier today. It would be

669
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,520
their preference to call it. There's

670
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,520
enough confusion out there already.

671
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:15,919
>> Yeah.

672
00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:17,840
>> So you're suggesting on under article

673
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,320
five under a new senior center just the

674
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,679
verbat

675
00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:22,640
>> senior community

676
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,000
>> senior right here center.

677
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,440
>> That's what that was the name of this

678
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,440
feasibility study that

679
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,919
>> actually wasn't actually wasn't the name

680
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:30,880
of the original.

681
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,919
>> No.

682
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:34,240
it was the activity center.

683
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,039
community.

684
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:36,720
>> It's semantics, but we have an activity

685
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,039
center.

686
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,919
>> But it's so but but it that's what's the

687
00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:42,400
committee was called. But people need to

688
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,400
know and I I do I do want to point out

689
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,400
too this is just to reference the

690
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,720
project. At the end of the day down the

691
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,279
road it may not be called, you know, who

692
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:52,559
knows what it's going to be called. We

693
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:53,840
know it's going to be primarily for

694
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,159
seniors, but they they have new names

695
00:26:56,159 --> 00:26:57,919
for our senior centers now. So that's up

696
00:26:57,919 --> 00:26:59,520
to you. Typically, it's up to the

697
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,080
building committee or but this is just

698
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,760
so when we're referencing the project,

699
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,039
it people understand it's senior

700
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,200
community senior center.

701
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,000
>> Yeah. I think it

702
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,279
>> it's housekeeping really.

703
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:12,799
>> Yeah.

704
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,360
>> I think my only concern and maybe I I

705
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,960
can probably be persuaded on that is is

706
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,840
who has jurisdiction over the use of the

707
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,120
building. If is is it the community or

708
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,880
is it the council on aging that that

709
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,480
says when you can use it or

710
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,360
>> again this is this is just and the chair

711
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,799
can correct me if I'm wrong but this is

712
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:34,720
just to reference it to get the point

713
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,200
across that there is in the design by

714
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,720
Lero there is a space for the community

715
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,880
much like the library we all know the

716
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,640
library is the library but it has a

717
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,760
space for a community to use off hours

718
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,840
etc and of course we all know down the

719
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,600
road that comes with policy development

720
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,279
but the design um that was paid for by

721
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,520
the citizens of the town as that

722
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,039
community space. So, we just want to

723
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,600
make sure we're being transparent. Um

724
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,480
and it it honestly we need to avoid

725
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,000
confusion because people are confused

726
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,720
enough about

727
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,159
>> I think that's I think that's why I

728
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:09,039
asked the question.

729
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,880
>> Yeah,

730
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,200
>> it's a housekeeping item. Yeah.

731
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,159
Is

732
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:21,120
as far as the design of the building,

733
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,600
>> people are going to ask what are you

734
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,600
what do you want to build there? I mean,

735
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,120
when when the chair came up in open

736
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,760
form, she said it was um you still had

737
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,520
multiple options. You were still looking

738
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,080
at

739
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:52,710
>> not now.

740
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,149
project

741
00:28:58,159 --> 00:28:59,919
» senior community visibility

742
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:02,000
>> on Masonic home we're only talking

743
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,240
Masonic home road

744
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,559
>> no I'm asking the question have you guys

745
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,840
has has the committee voted on that

746
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,149
>> yeah it says it right here

747
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:15,919
» well and in article five through the

748
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:18,159
chair it says a new senior center to be

749
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:20,240
located on Masonic Home Road. So,

750
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,000
>> no one's debating that. It's just what

751
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,440
we're going to reference it to avoid

752
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,039
confusion in the community. That's

753
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,640
>> Well, no, but in her opening in her

754
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,240
opening, she said there were three

755
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,159
options. So, two options.

756
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:32,640
>> That's what the project,

757
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,440
>> right?

758
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,320
>> And one of them was a new

759
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,559
project

760
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,559
new build.

761
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:43,200
And and I believe the chair was was just

762
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,000
reminding people that the money was

763
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,919
spent and what it was spent on versus

764
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:49,440
because people there's you know well

765
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,960
they starting from scratch again.

766
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,039
>> What it was what it was spent on was for

767
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:58,559
a feasibility study to see if furniture

768
00:29:58,559 --> 00:29:59,679
was suitable for

769
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:02,320
>> No, actually we have to we actually have

770
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,320
a design of the building at the inside

771
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,919
but the layout

772
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:07,200
>> it was spent on three options.

773
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,440
>> Yeah. three options actually for through

774
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,960
the chair and I don't know if you want

775
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,120
to just because you can

776
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,360
>> it was it was a comparative analysis of retrofitting that building to what a

777
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,200
new a new construction would be

778
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,320
>> different taking yeah new construction

779
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,960
>> so this so this $500,000 that we're

780
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,919
talking about would go towards

781
00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:32,080
that original plan

782
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,960
>> no it's

783
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,320
>> whichever one

784
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,679
>> so we

785
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:39,840
I I'm I'm more I'm driving down more to

786
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,120
one square footage.

787
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,640
>> Yeah. And I guess my question is so when

788
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,640
are we so we want to push this this

789
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,159
through without knowing

790
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:49,760
where we going to appropriate that

791
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,600
500,000 either or

792
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,679
>> it says through the chair it says the

793
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:56,080
article actually states construction of

794
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,159
a new senior center to be located on

795
00:30:58,159 --> 00:30:59,919
Masonic home road right

796
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:01,840
>> and additional parking for police

797
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,520
departments. So what's the question?

798
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,520
>> So no so this is are we sure on this? So

799
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,200
why would Bringing up two different

800
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,120
options is where I'm confused. So I just

801
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,679
eliminate. So we already eliminating the

802
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:13,520
other option of the furniture store and

803
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,039
we just going with the option on the

804
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:16,480
Masonic.

805
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,760
>> Okay. Because that is what I was

806
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,120
confused because we keep bringing the

807
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,640
two options and this and another.

808
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,080
>> People didn't understand what the money

809
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,320
was spent on. Right. So

810
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,440
>> okay, that's what it is. Okay.

811
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,080
>> That's all. That's all.

812
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,919
>> Okay. So then so so then with what

813
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:31,600
you're saying Karen then we will also

814
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,520
change that verbiage here. the new

815
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,200
senior center police department parking

816
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,399
extension. Right?

817
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:38,399
>> So I I guess I would make a motion if

818
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:40,000
the chair is okay with this that we

819
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,480
insert the word that article five should

820
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,519
read new senior and we insert the word

821
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,840
community center and then and police

822
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,519
department parking expansion design

823
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,200
phase. That's that's all that's all

824
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:51,679
we're looking

825
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:52,559
>> in both in both places

826
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:53,679
>> just for the word change.

827
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:54,880
>> Yeah, that's it.

828
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,760
>> Not not to do with the article.

829
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,919
>> I agree. Yeah, that makes it much

830
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:01,120
>> Would you like to second that?

831
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,080
>> I second.

832
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,840
>> Okay. All in favor?

833
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,909
>> I through semantics. [clears throat]

834
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:08,880
» Favor.

835
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,399
>> Do you have a square footage in mind?

836
00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:14,000
Because the town meeting is going to ask

837
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,679
that.

838
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:17,360
>> But that's not that's not important

839
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,000
tonight.

840
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,720
>> What's that?

841
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,760
>> I don't think that's important tonight.

842
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,440
>> Lots of lots of information will be

843
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,000
coming out, but to to the chair of the

844
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,200
finance committee.

845
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,880
>> So, is it my understanding you've

846
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,720
changed the you've added the word?

847
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,880
That's the new amended motion.

848
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,919
>> Okay.

849
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:37,200
>> Then I will entertain a motion that the

850
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,679
finance committee support article 5 as

851
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:43,669
amended.

852
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:47,600
» Motion. I have a second. Any discussion?

853
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,760
There being none, all those in favor say

854
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:50,799
yes.

855
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:51,279
>> Ray,

856
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:52,320
>> yes.

857
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,870
>> It's unanimous. Okay.

858
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,960
And I would for the chair I would make

859
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,480
the motion that the select board

860
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:09,190
supports article five as amended

861
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,279
» just for design phase

862
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:14,399
>> for for appropriation of that 500,000.

863
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,480
So that was a place the placeholder that

864
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,080
was a holder right that we were holding

865
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,480
that one for the article five.

866
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,840
>> So yeah. So what do we have to think

867
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,760
about if you want to

868
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,279
>> you have an open motion?

869
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,200
>> Can I have a second for dis second for

870
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,159
discussion?

871
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:32,080
>> Have a second for discussion.

872
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,519
>> I just want to clarify. Second for

873
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:34,000
discussion.

874
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,480
>> Yeah.

875
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,320
>> So this is that was that's what we're

876
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,799
holding. So now just so we're on the

877
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,840
same page. So if we support this motion,

878
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,600
we supporting the appropriation of of

879
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,120
half a million dollars going

880
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,640
specifically with a name change to the

881
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,120
uh Masonic home. [clears throat]

882
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,600
And it would be for the senior community

883
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,440
center and police department parking

884
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,080
expansion.

885
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,760
>> And that is how it's going to be

886
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,519
advertised and the t-shirts and

887
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,279
everything. It's going to go to both.

888
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:02,480
>> Well, we can't the t-shirt.

889
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,840
>> I'm just making I'm being I'm being

890
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,600
sarcastic, but you know what I mean.

891
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,360
It's not that you're trying to make it

892
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,079
sound better for us. So, this is going

893
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:11,919
to be everywhere on the on the on the

894
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:13,760
website, how you going to promote it and

895
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,599
everything else in in between.

896
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:20,310
>> I Yeah. Okay.

897
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,440
Yeah. So, let's do a motion. That's

898
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,119
>> So, this is basically picking up where

899
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:26,960
the other left off. We're not starting

900
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,800
from scratch. And that's what's

901
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,079
important.

902
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:31,599
>> You're not starting from scratch, but

903
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,200
town meeting is going to ask the

904
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,280
committee how big of a building you

905
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,520
>> Yes. And you have they have and remember

906
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,599
town meeting approved town meeting

907
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,560
approved the $50,000 to get to this

908
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,720
point. And we don't want to stall at

909
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:46,000
this point because that would be going

910
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,079
against what town meeting wanted us to

911
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:49,679
do. And now we're going to put it before

912
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,679
the voters of the town to see if they

913
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,599
want to put the bill because they're the

914
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:54,960
taxpayers. They're the ones that going

915
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,280
to be voting the bill. So I don't see a

916
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,280
problem letting democracy happen, but

917
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,119
they'll have all the answers. I know the

918
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:02,640
committee's got lots of information

919
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:03,440
coming out.

920
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,480
>> I I I'm um I'm a little stuck on this

921
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,200
one.

922
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,160
>> Well, by I'm I'm a little stuck on it

923
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,119
only for the We don't know

924
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:15,520
You still have to have an idea of what

925
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,520
the the total cost of a building would

926
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,280
be. And if we can only use square

927
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,040
footage like that, how big of a building

928
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,640
is someone's going to ask that

929
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,560
>> through the chair that the the design if

930
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,520
you looked at it is there and we did

931
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,000
Andrew did great work projecting the

932
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,880
cost and the time,000 square feet. It's

933
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:41,510
the Lero project.

934
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,079
because you can take that and move it.

935
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,160
>> Andrew's options, the four options that

936
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,880
he had for numbers.

937
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,760
>> So the so then you're at 850 square

938
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,640
feet.

939
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,280
>> I'll note that this is on the basis of

940
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,359
the design. Obviously by appropriating

941
00:35:57,359 --> 00:35:59,280
funds, you still have to hire a a

942
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,720
owner's project manager and you have to

943
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,720
hire an architect. Once you bring those

944
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,119
on board, you can make you can

945
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,520
essentially direct and work with them to

946
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,839
determine what is the appropriate size

947
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:11,760
either based off the feasibility or how

948
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,880
much you know the the town potentially

949
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,640
wants to pay for a building like this.

950
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,040
So it may dictate that a smaller

951
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,440
building is what is [snorts] necessary

952
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,440
to pass muster.

953
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,920
>> But we got to put it we got to we got to

954
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,320
put it before the taxpayers to see what

955
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,040
they want to do. What who are we to sit

956
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,359
here and say I guess we could go and say

957
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:35,119
you're not going to re you can not

958
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:38,480
recommend it but I mean to me to not

959
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,240
support it doesn't make a lot of sense

960
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:41,119
because

961
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,839
>> the taxpayers voted at town meeting to

962
00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:45,040
get us to this phase.

963
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,400
>> No no it's like

964
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,400
>> they voted on 50,000

965
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,960
>> correct but not to throw it not to throw

966
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,720
it out the window but to get

967
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,800
>> this is this is to this is a completely

968
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,200
different project.

969
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,160
No, it's not.

970
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,119
>> It's in a different

971
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,119
>> It's the second phase of the of the

972
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,359
first 50,000 miss.

973
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:05,040
>> That's the way I look at it.

974
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:13,670
>> This is how things progress.

975
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,200
» Um yes, sure.

976
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,079
>> Exactly the way the library was.

977
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,960
You had a feasibility study and then you

978
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,920
had a design process. design process was

979
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,520
with the architect to come up with a

980
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,359
design that was appropriate.

981
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:32,880
And so what you're doing is you're

982
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,440
asking them to move forward to get a

983
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,280
design using 500,000. Is that what I'm

984
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,079
hearing?

985
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,599
>> Right. Okay. And after that, we came

986
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,880
back and asked the town for money based

987
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,880
on the design that was presented.

988
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,040
>> The town agreed. Yeah, I understand

989
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520
that. But this is But I'm also hearing

990
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,359
the conflict that the design is already

991
00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:59,119
done. You're using the same design that

992
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,280
was done.

993
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,760
>> So it's 11,000 ft is what you're shoot

994
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,599
it. It it you know what it's

995
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:08,000
>> if we spend 15 minutes here is we could

996
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,480
probably save an hour town meeting

997
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,680
because people are going to have a lot

998
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,720
of questions. What

999
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,000
>> they're going to get answers, Steve.

1000
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,560
This is this is democracy. The town has

1001
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,839
spent a half a million dollars before on

1002
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,599
designs that have never been used.

1003
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:22,880
Actually, we spent 900.

1004
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,800
>> That's the town's decision. That's

1005
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,160
ultimately, look what happened with the

1006
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,839
public safety building. They ultimately

1007
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:28,560
decided not to.

1008
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,920
>> But we bring it forward. Yeah. Look at

1009
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,480
what happened. You're right. And we have

1010
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,640
$900,000 worth of plans sitting on a

1011
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,680
self on a shelf collecting dust.

1012
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:38,960
>> So, you're saying you think you know

1013
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,400
better than the taxpayers of this town

1014
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,520
that you're not going to give them the

1015
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,760
opportunity to Oh, you actually This is

1016
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,839
just a recommendation. We're rushing

1017
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:49,680
this to the point, why can't we just

1018
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,520
>> Well, you know, you could laugh all you

1019
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,599
want, but but it wasn't it wasn't the

1020
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,240
board that kept going back to Charlton

1021
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,000
Furniture for three years. It was the

1022
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,520
committee.

1023
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,560
>> Just point of order. This is not what we

1024
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,880
should be discussing. It should be

1025
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,240
>> do we support it because it's on the

1026
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:09,520
warrant now, but do because we closed

1027
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,520
it, but do we support make the

1028
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,040
recommendation or not? And then we let

1029
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:13,680
the people

1030
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,359
>> Okay. We closed it, but this is just a

1031
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:17,280
place. This is just a holder. So, we can

1032
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,359
remove it just as easy. This is not the

1033
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:20,720
one. I'm just saying technically

1034
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,720
speaking.

1035
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:23,440
>> You think that's the

1036
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:29,119
>> I can All right. Maybe Maybe we thinking

1037
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,240
>> to move something forward.

1038
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,520
>> No, we're going to either move it or we

1039
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,440
don't want to move it. Support it and

1040
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,000
move it.

1041
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:36,400
>> Okay.

1042
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,680
Karen, you want to do the option?

1043
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:38,880
You do the motion. There's a

1044
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,320
>> question. I'm we already I already

1045
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,000
>> I just I just thought that the purpose

1046
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,320
of tonight's meeting was for this board

1047
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,320
to bring forth something to the

1048
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,320
community to make a vote on. And so

1049
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,800
you're not not necessarily voting as a

1050
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,040
individual in this town to say you

1051
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,160
support spending $500,000 in this way.

1052
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,160
From my perspective, you're voting to

1053
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,079
say we are going to bring it to the town

1054
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,040
meeting and let the citizens decide. And

1055
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,119
so I think that some of the questions

1056
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,680
you have are very valid, but for town

1057
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,920
meeting night and not for this time

1058
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,640
right now.

1059
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,839
>> Absolutely.

1060
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:12,880
>> Yes.

1061
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,400
>> I think the first question you're going

1062
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,320
to come up with is

1063
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,400
>> But is that tonight's question?

1064
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,359
>> Well, if if

1065
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:20,400
>> there's going to be lots of questions

1066
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,760
you probably didn't even think of and

1067
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,560
they're all good ones.

1068
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,839
>> Oh, no. I thought about this quite a

1069
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:26,720
bit.

1070
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,400
>> I've had, you know, multiple years to

1071
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,040
think about it. Well, I just hope that

1072
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,880
people will come to the town meeting and

1073
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,800
they can be educated on it at the town

1074
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,320
meeting and they can make the educated

1075
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:36,720
choice.

1076
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,560
>> And that's that's the process that the

1077
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,400
people love and we know from former

1078
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,800
master plans that were done that when we

1079
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,640
looked into getting rid of town meeting

1080
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,240
and going to a different form of

1081
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,560
government that this is what the people

1082
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,960
this is like number one. Let us we like

1083
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,480
the fact we can get on the town floor

1084
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,640
and have these have these discussions.

1085
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,720
It's it's it's the process they never

1086
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,400
want to at that time they didn't want to

1087
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,040
get rid of.

1088
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,680
>> Okay. So again, I don't think any of us

1089
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,280
for five member board can sit here and

1090
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:03,599
say

1091
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,000
>> the risk the committee has here is not

1092
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,480
giving enough information to town

1093
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,480
meeting voters to make a decision and

1094
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,240
you get shot down.

1095
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,359
>> That's a risk.

1096
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:14,560
>> Then you get shot down,

1097
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,319
>> right? That's okay. You get shot down

1098
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:17,359
and that's right. Then they can vote.

1099
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:18,240
But you're not going to get those

1100
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,079
>> make your case against it. It's okay.

1101
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,560
>> Oh, I'm David. This is

1102
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,240
>> Yeah, but if I but if I make my case

1103
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,000
against it at town meeting and I say

1104
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,520
yes, here I'm a little bit hypocritical.

1105
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,359
Well, then don't re vote to not

1106
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:31,280
recommend it, but leave the article.

1107
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,480
Please let the let let the article stay

1108
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,800
and vote not to re

1109
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,280
>> But I agree with them what Jamie said.

1110
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,359
But um yeah, let we're all entitled to

1111
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:44,720
our opinions, but to block this from the voters. And I will remind you,

1112
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:51,760
>> you know what? If if if there was if if this is what we maybe

1113
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,079
can we change the wording on this a

1114
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:55,520
little bit

1115
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,160
>> to what

1116
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,400
>> to to $500,000 to help

1117
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,880
facilitate a design that will fit on

1118
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,880
that space.

1119
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,319
>> That's what it is.

1120
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:08,079
>> This is No, but I'm hearing But I'm

1121
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:09,760
hearing But you just said the design is

1122
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,510
already done.

1123
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,319
So Steve, which is through you, which is

1124
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:18,319
good because the layout is done. So some

1125
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:21,359
of that 50,000, let's hope, was spent in

1126
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:23,599
the right way. So we, that's my

1127
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:25,200
understanding, we can take those plans

1128
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,760
that we already spend the money on and

1129
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,280
hopefully use it to elaborate on it, do

1130
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,480
more study and see if that fits in our

1131
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,079
land on Masonic

1132
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:37,920
>> and like like but this is the next

1133
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,680
phase. So, I would make a motion that we we support we we support the rec that

1134
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,359
this article as

1135
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:47,440
>> presented with well as amended. I

1136
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,520
already did that, didn't I?

1137
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,240
>> And we had a second. Yeah. Okay. Sorry.

1138
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,480
>> We've amended with the community center

1139
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:54,880
next

1140
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,480
>> and all this does and then just as a

1141
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,319
reminder, all this does is get it to the

1142
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:00,079
people and the debate can happen and

1143
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,440
then you

1144
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,280
>> Yeah, that's

1145
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,200
>> I I don't believe anybody seconded it

1146
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,240
though. Yes,

1147
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,720
>> I second this and I said it and I go to

1148
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,119
what Karen said and this is my

1149
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,359
understanding that one of the

1150
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:17,119
>> most important jobs of select board in

1151
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,640
my opinion is to put hold and let

1152
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,359
through the warrant articles for that

1153
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:25,119
specific reason.

1154
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:29,040
So yes, is a democratic way of some Yes,

1155
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,640
that's one explanation. What I think and

1156
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,079
I'm not going to put words in your in

1157
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,160
you Steve, but what he's thinking that

1158
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,200
yes, this is our right to not to vote it

1159
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,359
in. So I want to be clear that this is

1160
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:41,680
not that we must to put it on the

1161
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,880
warrant. We can take it out because

1162
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,400
that's

1163
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,200
part of our responsibilities if we don't

1164
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,680
see it fit. So let's just clarify this.

1165
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,119
Now Karen made a motion to put this

1166
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:58,079
article five on the Warren

1167
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,000
amended adding

1168
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,680
>> the community center to the senior

1169
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,160
center.

1170
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,079
>> I made a motion to recommend it. It was

1171
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:05,680
to to to support

1172
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,920
>> to support it But you supported it

1173
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,000
amended. So should Right. So we were

1174
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:10,880
supporting amendment.

1175
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:11,839
>> That was for the wording change.

1176
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:13,200
>> The word it was for the wording change

1177
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,359
but then we so we had to say we support

1178
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:15,680
as

1179
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,520
>> so that's very clear. So now the motion

1180
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,119
on at the table is to support article

1181
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:22,160
five

1182
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,839
>> as amended.

1183
00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:25,680
>> And through the chair the last thing I

1184
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,319
will say just just a general reminder if

1185
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:30,400
you look at our organizational chart the

1186
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,119
citizens you are at the top we are at

1187
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:34,560
the next line.

1188
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,040
>> Correct.

1189
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,520
>> So you know we want we want those same

1190
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,400
citizens will might say how can you

1191
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,920
bring something in front of us if you

1192
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,440
don't even know how big it is. Well, we

1193
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,359
can

1194
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:46,400
>> we will address

1195
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,160
>> we will this will all get addressed and

1196
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,440
there'll be other questions you didn't

1197
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,160
even think of

1198
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,319
>> and and it gets addressed, but then the

1199
00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:54,880
risk is is wasting $500,000.

1200
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,880
>> But it's up to the people to decide if

1201
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,720
they're going to do it. Are you are you

1202
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,280
I don't understand you're wanting to

1203
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,240
block this from the people who are going

1204
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,400
to be actually footing the bill. You

1205
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,240
want to don't you want to ask them? You

1206
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:09,760
think you want to?

1207
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,560
>> So So then so then what what should be included in this. What should

1208
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,240
be included in here is that you want to

1209
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,079
take the design, the Lero design from

1210
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,880
Charlton Furniture and move that layout

1211
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,880
to this spot, this site.

1212
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,560
>> That's that's what you're asking.

1213
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:25,599
>> No, doesn't matter.

1214
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:26,960
>> That that is No, but that that's what

1215
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,800
you just said. You said the design is

1216
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:29,359
done.

1217
00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:31,440
>> No, the point when there was confusion

1218
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,839
when the chair of the feasibility study

1219
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:35,280
came up

1220
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,720
>> why she had mentioned all the other

1221
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,800
options just to let the people know how

1222
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,200
that $50,000 was spent. That was the

1223
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,079
purpose of saying of all of that. We

1224
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,720
wanted folks to know the citizens to

1225
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,240
know that the money that they approved

1226
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,640
at that last town meeting where it went

1227
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,480
and it wasn't wasted and this isn't

1228
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,160
starting from scratch. So they can take

1229
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,079
that and now it's time to tweak it and

1230
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:58,240
get fine-tuned and get the do the

1231
00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:59,359
dollars

1232
00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:02,160
>> and there's they have huge P publicity

1233
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,359
coming out all kinds of FAQs. So let the

1234
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:11,920
process happen. I mean not to so that's where we are now and

1235
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,000
>> so we just want to hope that at the town

1236
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,640
meeting there will be people there who

1237
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,280
both support the expenditure for the

1238
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,520
senior center and the people that might

1239
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,240
not but that's up to these people to

1240
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:25,359
decide okay

1241
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:28,000
>> you know if we if it's going to I'm with

1242
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,480
you on this

1243
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,119
>> I I will ask um I'll I'll support this

1244
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,480
to get put on the um

1245
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,720
on the town meeting as a town

1246
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,079
But I'm going to take the floor and I'm

1247
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:38,960
going to ask some questions.

1248
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:39,599
>> That's right.

1249
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:41,280
>> And hope you ask come to open house.

1250
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,280
>> How big is it going to be? What is it 11

1251
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,520
million? Is it 14 million? I don't think

1252
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,960
>> we encourage they encourage questions

1253
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,480
and I keep saying that because I'm the

1254
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,720
non- voting member on the advisory. So,

1255
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:51,359
but thank you.

1256
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:51,599
>> Yeah.

1257
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:52,400
>> Can we vote now?

1258
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,280
>> Yes.

1259
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,599
>> So, motion is second.

1260
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,640
>> Um, all in favor? I I

1261
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:04,870
>> I

1262
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,319
» have a hard time with the two.

1263
00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:09,280
>> Yeah, I am. Well, obviously I am too

1264
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:15,670
>> because the Yeah, I can't change my

1265
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,790
» I

1266
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,069
» thank you.

1267
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:25,280
» Moving on to article six.

1268
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,680
This is for transfer to and from

1269
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,240
stabilization funds. Um our

1270
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,280
recommendation on this one is $100,000

1271
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,880
from free cash to the general

1272
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,280
stabilization fund to maintain our

1273
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,119
stabilization fund according to reserve

1274
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:43,119
policy. Um $50,000 to the capital

1275
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,200
stabilization fund for the same purpose.

1276
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,319
uh $1 million from retained or sewer

1277
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:51,760
retained earnings to the sewer

1278
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,520
stabilization fund and $400,000 from the

1279
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,680
water retained earnings water

1280
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,359
stabilization fund.

1281
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:03,040
>> All right. I'll entertain a motion that

1282
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,760
the finance committee support article 6

1283
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,040
as presented.

1284
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:07,599
>> Motion.

1285
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,920
>> I have a motion. I have a second. Any

1286
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,079
discussion?

1287
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:13,760
There being none, all those in favor say

1288
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,640
yes.

1289
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,079
>> Yes. I

1290
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,910
>> it's unanimous

1291
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,319
» and a motion from the board for article

1292
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:23,200
six.

1293
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,920
>> I move that um the select board supports

1294
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,240
recommends article six as presented.

1295
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,520
>> Second.

1296
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,559
>> All in favor?

1297
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,200
>> I I

1298
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,119
>> All right. Article seven to amend

1299
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,440
general bylaws chapter 110 animal

1300
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,480
control. Essentially, this is the um

1301
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:46,240
board's request to add in a u Z license

1302
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:49,599
fee for seniors and create a new

1303
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:51,839
exemption for veterans. Uh we did

1304
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:54,559
receive uh some feedback from legal

1305
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,680
counsel related to um the original way

1306
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,599
that you guys had proposed the motion.

1307
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,160
They noted that because it is not an

1308
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,440
exemption under chapter M or MGL chapter

1309
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,359
140 section 139 that there needs to be a

1310
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:13,920
delta between the fee for um an intact

1311
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,040
dog versus a spade and neutered dog. So

1312
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,680
we can't do zero on both on both of

1313
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,520
them. So there has to be some type of

1314
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,200
fee for uh the senior citizen class and

1315
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,359
the veteran class. So, I don't know if

1316
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:29,200
you guys have any recommendations for

1317
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,990
that.

1318
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,520
» Andrew, do you have a recommendation for

1319
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,480
that? To make it $5 and zero or

1320
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,079
>> that was a recommendation that I had

1321
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:41,839
received from member not here this

1322
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:43,280
evening. So,

1323
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,839
>> okay.

1324
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:47,200
>> To amend as five

1325
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:47,839
>> to Yeah.

1326
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:52,960
>> Okay. $5 for intact and zero for Okay.

1327
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,000
>> A motion and a second.

1328
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,119
Did we get a second?

1329
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:58,000
>> Second.

1330
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:58,960
>> All in favor?

1331
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,710
>> I

1332
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:08,710
unanimous.

1333
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,119
» I I will entertain a motion that we the

1334
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:13,839
finance committee supports article 7 as

1335
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:14,880
amended.

1336
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,520
>> Motion.

1337
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,160
>> Second.

1338
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,520
>> Motion. I have a second. Any discussion?

1339
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,359
>> There being none, all those in favor say

1340
00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:21,920
yes.

1341
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:22,400
>> Yes.

1342
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,119
>> Ray.

1343
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:30,470
>> Yes. Yes, it's unanimous.

1344
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,400
» You guys take a motion on

1345
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,720
recommendation.

1346
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,839
>> Oh, a motion on a recommendation. Do I

1347
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:38,559
hear one?

1348
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:42,230
>> Second.

1349
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:43,359
» I I move to

1350
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:44,720
>> Do I have a second?

1351
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:45,200
>> Second.

1352
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,079
>> All in favor?

1353
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:47,760
>> I

1354
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,920
>> All right. Article A is to amend general

1355
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,119
bylaw chapter 155 of licenses and

1356
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:54,960
permits. Uh this is actually requested

1357
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,720
through the building commissioner. This

1358
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:00,079
is just a mod uh to meet current master

1359
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,040
law related to delinquent tax uh pair

1360
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,000
and withholding of permits. Um it just

1361
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,359
adds in uh so currently the statute says

1362
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:11,920
the collector shall annually furnish and

1363
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,400
we're adding an inmate periodically and

1364
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,200
then striking out the language for not

1365
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,680
less than a 12 month period as it

1366
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,599
relates to uh look bad period. This is

1367
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:29,990
just to comply with current state law.

1368
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,839
» I'll entertain a motion that the finance

1369
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:33,680
committee support article 8 as

1370
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,599
presented. I'll make a motion.

1371
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,400
>> I have a motion. I have a second. Any

1372
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:39,760
discussion?

1373
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,599
>> There being none, all those in favor say

1374
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,319
yes.

1375
00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:47,510
>> Unanimous.

1376
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,839
» And motion from the board.

1377
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:54,720
>> I move to support article 8 as written.

1378
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:55,520
>> A second.

1379
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,520
>> Second. All in favor?

1380
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,710
>> I.

1381
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,880
Article nine is to accept Mass General

1382
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,640
law chapter 138 section 33B uh sales for

1383
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,559
alcoholic beverages on premise license

1384
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:11,200
on Sundays in certain legal holidays.

1385
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,760
Um, essentially what this does is allow

1386
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,079
the local licensing authority, aka the

1387
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:20,559
select board, to um issue the the

1388
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:22,960
allowed times for opening on Sundays to

1389
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,079
go back to 10:00 a.m. Currently, without

1390
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:28,319
acceptance of the statute, noon is the

1391
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:30,640
earliest time. Believe there's currently

1392
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,720
legislation on the or not. There's

1393
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:34,079
currently a bill before the House right

1394
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:35,680
now, it's being considered that any town

1395
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,319
that accept the accepts this may go back

1396
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:40,160
to 8:00, but that's still pending in the

1397
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,559
legisle. But um first the first step

1398
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,359
would essentially be to accept this.

1399
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:48,480
>> Yeah. Okay.

1400
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,800
>> I'll accept a motion from the board.

1401
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,880
Motion to approve article 9 as written.

1402
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,599
>> Second.

1403
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:57,589
>> All in favor?

1404
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:58,960
» All right. And the final one that the

1405
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,040
board needs to take action on would be

1406
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,559
relative to article 10, acceptance of

1407
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:04,480
Ashley Road and Amber Road as public

1408
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,559
ways. You previously held your public

1409
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:08,960
hearing related to this, so a formal

1410
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,851
recommendation would be suggested.

1411
00:53:11,851 --> 00:53:14,069
[snorts]

1412
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,040
» Okay. Do I have a motion?

1413
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,200
>> I move to support article 10 as written.

1414
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,079
>> Second.

1415
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:23,280
>> All in favor?

1416
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,520
>> I.

1417
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,400
>> Unanimous.

1418
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,760
and that the rest we don't have to um

1419
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,680
rest is you can adjourn your meeting

1420
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,760
a motion we adjourn the meeting

1421
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,160
>> motion I have a second any discussion

1422
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,920
there being none all those in favor say

1423
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,880
yes

1424
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,520
>> yes we're returned

1425
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:51,670
>> good night

1426
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,119
» able to log off soon before we move on

1427
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:54,079
to the next

1428
00:53:54,079 --> 00:54:04,150
>> thanks

1429
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,630
Thank you much.

1430
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:29,349
» On to our 7 o'

1431
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:33,062
Somebody likes me.

1432
00:54:33,072 --> 00:54:41,030
[clears throat]

1433
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,640
All right.

1434
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,160
it being well past 7 o'clock. Um, you

1435
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,800
have on your agenda Russ and Irish

1436
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,400
Jennings discussed complaints related to

1437
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,119
August 1st, 2026 event at the board's

1438
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,359
August 11, 2026 meeting. Police Chief

1439
00:54:55,359 --> 00:54:57,440
Dow noted his concerns regarding the

1440
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,200
event held at 508 International on

1441
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,079
August 1st, 2026, regarding numerous

1442
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:03,920
complaints received from the event,

1443
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,680
including traffic and parking issues on

1444
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,160
Brookfield Road interfering with normal

1445
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,480
traffic flow. Uh both Russ and Irish

1446
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,839
Jennings have been invited to tonight's

1447
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:14,079
meeting and are here uh tonight to

1448
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:15,520
address the issues before you along with

1449
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,960
Chief D. Okay.

1450
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,720
>> And welcome Russ.

1451
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,200
>> Good evening Dave.

1452
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,720
>> So there was an event held at 508 on

1453
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,040
Saturday, August 1st.

1454
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,520
That event kind of got overwhelming as

1455
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,359
far as parking spaces. So the the

1456
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:34,079
parkers decided to park in residential

1457
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:36,640
areas causing a lot of disturbances to

1458
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,880
neighbors and

1459
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,119
like 508 to be a successful business and

1460
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:42,960
succeed, but they have to do show a

1461
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,440
modicum of respect to their neighbors.

1462
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,200
>> That's all I got.

1463
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,119
>> Okay.

1464
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:50,880
>> Russ, do you have anything to I mean, we

1465
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,960
did we saw some of the complaints and

1466
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,680
some of them we got emails.

1467
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,480
Um, have you figured a way to rectify it

1468
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,000
or

1469
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,119
>> um Yeah, of course. uh you know in

1470
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:07,200
business anytime you uh you have a

1471
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,839
problem you always seek a solution so

1472
00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:11,520
that you know it doesn't exist in the

1473
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,760
future and that's naturally what we're

1474
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:14,400
doing.

1475
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,640
>> Yeah. Is it just something that got out

1476
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,040
of hand or or was it

1477
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,720
>> um

1478
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:23,280
you know it it was really a lot of

1479
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,160
factors. Um but uh you know fortunately

1480
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,240
we have some answers and uh you know

1481
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:32,559
we're working some things to uh

1482
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:34,400
alleviate any problems like this in the

1483
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,069
future.

1484
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,799
» Any other questions from the board? I I

1485
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:42,400
don't

1486
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,480
um as far as notifying the town to let

1487
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,040
them know. That would be a

1488
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,960
to let to let the town know that that's

1489
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,920
happening would be a certainly a plus.

1490
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,920
Was it more employees that are needed or

1491
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,359
>> um No, I think it was just uh perfect

1492
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:02,400
storm if you would have it just a lot of

1493
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,359
different factors, but uh we've handled

1494
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:10,160
bigger crowds and we um you know we we

1495
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,559
tend to learn fairly quickly from our

1496
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:15,520
mistakes and like I say correct those

1497
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,670
pretty quickly. So

1498
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,920
» I guess my my concern is at you know,

1499
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,760
the number of ticket sales or something,

1500
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,599
you have an idea of the volume of

1501
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:27,599
people. I just think we need it when you

1502
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:30,079
get to a threshold, you have to have a

1503
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:32,160
now it's time to have a real plan in

1504
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,240
place, you know, or we'll wing it, you

1505
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,319
know, because that's what happens. And

1506
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,640
um again, I want the business to succeed

1507
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,480
or just just don't want problems in the

1508
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,720
neighborhood. I have no ill will towards

1509
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,599
the family. Uh I just can't have

1510
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,040
neighbors calling saying they can't get

1511
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,880
out of their driveways and people

1512
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,119
urinating their lawns and things that

1513
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:55,040
because of an overflow of a crowd. Um,

1514
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,400
>> and Russ, those are legitimate

1515
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,000
complaints, too. And those emails, we

1516
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,079
all got them that weekend and the the

1517
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:01,520
following week. I mean, it's

1518
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,520
>> Well, I'm not here to argue that.

1519
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,599
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1520
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:06,799
>> We're just trying to figure out what's

1521
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:08,799
going to help it in the future. You know

1522
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:10,000
what I mean? Is it more employees

1523
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,760
getting people in faster? Was it a clog

1524
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,440
on the driveway because people were

1525
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,960
parked in the streets? Were you just

1526
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,040
over capacity or what was it?

1527
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,079
>> No, I think uh, you know, again, there

1528
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,000
was There was a lot of different

1529
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,720
factors. Um, some factors that didn't

1530
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,200
even weren't even part of our control.

1531
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,000
There were uh numerous traffic

1532
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,920
situations

1533
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,720
well beyond 508 and well beyond Charlton

1534
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,200
that affected traffic coming to our

1535
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,000
facility at a certain point in time. So

1536
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,640
the early rush that normally happens

1537
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,559
didn't necessarily happen until late

1538
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,040
because traffic problems elsewhere. So

1539
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,280
what happened was it was, you know, they

1540
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,280
staggered these events starting at 8:00

1541
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,680
a.m. Well, the 8:00, 9:00, 10:00 traffic

1542
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,920
all got backed up. So as a result of

1543
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,799
that, that came when it was 9, 10, 11,

1544
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:06,319
and 12:00. Um, shortly after 12:00,

1545
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:08,720
actually when the detail officer came on

1546
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,240
duty,

1547
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,640
there was no problem from that point on

1548
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,559
because the traffic just dissolved

1549
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:17,280
because the peaks went away and those

1550
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,359
congestive issues ceased to happen. So,

1551
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:23,119
when I say there was a perfect storm,

1552
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:24,799
there was a lot of things that happened.

1553
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:25,200
But

1554
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,960
>> the parking was Yeah, even it didn't

1555
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,640
just go away. The parking was still an

1556
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,720
issue along the sides of the streets

1557
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:31,920
blocking the road and

1558
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,640
>> well once that happens then that's an issue until the people until

1559
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,400
the people leave naturally. I mean when

1560
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,440
you park a car that's you know so but

1561
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,920
again we we have uh we have dealt with

1562
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:52,079
larger crowds um and know how to rectify

1563
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,880
the situation in the future.

1564
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,319
If I may say something.

1565
00:59:56,319 --> 00:59:57,680
>> Sure.

1566
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,480
>> Your officers did a wonderful job. Thank

1567
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,119
you.

1568
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:01,680
>> Thank you.

1569
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,599
>> And some of the neighbors wanted to come

1570
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,000
up this evening and explain what

1571
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,079
happened on parts of the Brookfield

1572
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:09,839
Road.

1573
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:12,480
Some people were taking people and

1574
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,240
directing them into their driveways and

1575
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,920
charging them to stay there.

1576
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,720
So I said, "No, please don't come up. We

1577
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,839
we're going to what everybody has to say

1578
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:28,559
and correct it. And like I said, your

1579
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:31,680
men did a fabulous job. Thank you.

1580
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:32,240
>> Thank you.

1581
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,640
>> The only thing that's difficult without

1582
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,880
any notice is, you know, obviously

1583
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,559
summer is for everybody likes to take

1584
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:40,480
their vacation time. So my staff is not

1585
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,000
unique to that. They want to be off

1586
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,240
during the summer. So we typically run,

1587
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,680
you know, unless we have an event or

1588
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,520
something, we run bare bones sometimes

1589
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,599
to accommodate vacation time off and

1590
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:51,012
stuff. And when you have a big event

1591
01:00:51,012 --> 01:00:52,400
[clears throat] and it's tying up

1592
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,160
offices for several hours, it's not

1593
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,480
fair. It just it's avoidable. So, we

1594
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,400
just need to do something in the future

1595
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,160
so that it doesn't happen again. But at

1596
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,680
this point, it's water under the bridge.

1597
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,760
I can't go back and finish J Whoopi's

1598
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,400
time machine and make things right. It's

1599
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,280
just

1600
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,119
>> moving forward. We've got to work

1601
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:11,040
together so that doesn't happen again.

1602
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,599
Do do you have like an idea of how many

1603
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:14,720
people are going to show up for random

1604
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,480
events or is it just a Facebook event

1605
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,319
that people show is coming or going or

1606
01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:20,799
>> sell tickets?

1607
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:22,960
>> Is there ticket sales for that?

1608
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,160
>> So there there is there is typically

1609
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,960
what we require from the venue or from

1610
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,839
the people who are leasing the venue is

1611
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:34,720
four weeks prior to the event a number

1612
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,240
of participants. Okay.

1613
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,319
>> Okay. But

1614
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:41,599
given that it's an outdoor event um

1615
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:42,480
weather

1616
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,240
>> weather has a factor was gorgeous day um

1617
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,240
late registration

1618
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,559
had record number of people register

1619
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,119
late that you know they had never seen

1620
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:56,319
before um again all part of the perfect

1621
01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:59,119
storm. Um so a number that they are

1622
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:00,960
required to give us four weeks in

1623
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,559
advance now dramatically changes two

1624
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:09,760
days one day day of so you know but like

1625
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,200
I say we've um

1626
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,720
we have good thoughts in mind and you

1627
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,880
know we're working through the plan to

1628
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,400
make sure it doesn't happen again.

1629
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,079
>> Yeah. I think that's all that it is a

1630
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:25,680
communication between your us and the

1631
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,839
chief. you have those great ideas, if

1632
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:29,440
you want to communicate them with him

1633
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,720
ahead of time, I think they will

1634
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,480
resolve, you know, lots of those issues.

1635
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,670
>> Teamwork.

1636
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:42,150
» Yeah, I agree.

1637
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,200
» There's no there's really no ask here or

1638
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,040
vote. Just to kind of anything you can

1639
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,440
do not to not to let that happen again

1640
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,160
would be

1641
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,760
>> Well, I mean, I certainly don't want to

1642
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:54,640
be here.

1643
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,520
>> Yeah. No, I Nothing against you guys.

1644
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:58,400
Nothing against you.

1645
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,240
>> I know. You got call down to the person.

1646
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,559
>> I don't I don't want to pay a $1,400

1647
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:06,000
fine either. Yeah.

1648
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,839
>> For a police detail.

1649
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:09,920
>> So, you know, it's

1650
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,000
>> which you you ended up doing because

1651
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:12,480
Yeah.

1652
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,319
>> Right.

1653
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:16,400
And no, it wasn't only that, but I was I

1654
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,760
remember looking at was when that

1655
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:22,160
happened and the attendees were unhappy

1656
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,799
>> unhappy no parking and that it was

1657
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:26,319
disorganized when I was reading some of

1658
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:27,680
the comments from the attendees and

1659
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,119
that's not good for you either.

1660
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:30,799
>> Well, Mrs. Jennings is not wrong. Some

1661
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:33,119
people profit, so they're probably not

1662
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,200
as concerned. They had people in their

1663
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,960
parked in their lawns and such and you

1664
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:37,920
know saw

1665
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:38,240
>> Yeah.

1666
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,079
>> saw lemons and made lemonade.

1667
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:42,079
>> Yeah.

1668
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:43,760
Maybe if you can just put in your, you

1669
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,240
know, no parking on the roads, cars will

1670
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,960
be towed. Cars will be towed because we

1671
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,640
did talk about that. This is, this goes

1672
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,079
back a couple of months, but we talked

1673
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:53,200
about

1674
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,960
>> if you put in no parking tow signs,

1675
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,480
that's

1676
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,480
>> they have to be temporary because people

1677
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,200
might not want that in their front lawn,

1678
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:03,680
>> right?

1679
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,520
>> Residents.

1680
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,039
>> We're going to follow your suggestion,

1681
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:08,640
Stephen. You deal with those complaints

1682
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,390
from that.

1683
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,160
Wonderful idea.

1684
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,839
>> See, Steve thought of that one.

1685
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:18,160
>> I bet you did. I bet you did.

1686
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,079
>> I think just notification to the chief.

1687
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:22,000
Yeah. A month out when you get your

1688
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,440
first example of how many people you

1689
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,280
expect and maybe a week before and the

1690
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,960
day of what you're thinking.

1691
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,599
>> Just keep them in the loop.

1692
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,440
>> Y.

1693
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,640
>> Okay.

1694
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:35,920
>> All right. Thanks for your time this

1695
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:36,160
evening.

1696
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,960
>> Thank you, Chief.

1697
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,720
>> Thanks for asking. Thank you, Mr.

1698
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,990
Jennings.

1699
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:53,270
» Thank you.

1700
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,200
» Moving on to our last

1701
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,599
right last action item for this evening.

1702
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:01,520
Town's use of flock automated license

1703
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,680
plate readers. At the board September

1704
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,079
8th, 2026 meeting, Michelle Charmers

1705
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:09,039
came before you and asked to place the

1706
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,720
town's use of flock automated license

1707
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,960
plate readers on tonight's agenda for

1708
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,039
discussion. She provided her office with

1709
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:16,960
two citizens petitions for the upcoming

1710
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,400
special town meeting, one binding and

1711
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,640
one non-binding regarding the flock

1712
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,640
automated license plate as well.

1713
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,240
Signatures were verified by the town

1714
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,240
clerk's office. We received a request to

1715
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,720
remove the binding citizens petition um

1716
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,000
due to legal um questions on it and keep

1717
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,359
the nonbinding petition on for the

1718
01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:37,680
October special time meeting. This the

1719
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,880
decision relates to relate to contracts

1720
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,920
rest with the select board

1721
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,839
stumbling over my word there.

1722
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:47,839
>> The microphones don't seem to be working

1723
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:50,160
very well. I don't know. I couldn't hear

1724
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,640
anything back there.

1725
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,630
>> I don't know. Is there

1726
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,160
» that microphone not working well?

1727
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,520
>> I just couldn't really hear.

1728
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,079
>> I'm sorry. I speak really low, so that's

1729
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:03,200
my fault.

1730
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:11,430
>> I don't have that problem.

1731
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:12,960
» Well, good evening. Good evening,

1732
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,520
everyone. Michelle Chalmer's, 46 Prindel

1733
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,640
Hill Road. Um, first I want to uh

1734
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,119
obviously thank the board uh for placing

1735
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:23,280
Charlton's use of flock uh automated

1736
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,960
license plate readers on tonight's

1737
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,119
agenda and allowing this public

1738
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:30,000
discussion and vote to take place.

1739
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,079
uh more than 160 residents um signed a

1740
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:36,799
petition uh requesting action on these

1741
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:39,920
cameras. Uh those residents represent

1742
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,520
diverse perspectives. Uh this is not uh

1743
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,720
simply my personal concern. Uh it is a

1744
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,119
community request for transparency,

1745
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:52,880
accountability, and a decision u by our

1746
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,839
elected officials. Uh, town council has

1747
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:58,240
determined that decisions involving

1748
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:59,760
these contracts fall within the

1749
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,839
authority of the select board. So, the

1750
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:03,680
responsibility for deciding whether

1751
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,720
Charlton continues, expands, uh, or

1752
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,839
discontinues this system therefore rests

1753
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:12,799
with you. We recognize that license

1754
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:15,119
plate readers may assist police in

1755
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:18,240
certain investigations. Uh this effort

1756
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,280
is truly not about opposing our police

1757
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,160
department or dismissing uh legitimate

1758
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,280
public safety needs. Uh it is about

1759
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,920
whether the benefit of this system

1760
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,200
justify automatically collecting and

1761
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,160
making searchable the vehicle location

1762
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,000
information of people who are

1763
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,160
overwhelmingly suspected of no crime.

1764
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,400
Charlton currently operates four

1765
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,680
cameras. The records also show a

1766
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,319
separate agreement for four additional

1767
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:52,559
cameras that according to the police

1768
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,799
department have not yet been received or

1769
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:56,480
installed.

1770
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,039
The board has an opportunity to act

1771
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,880
before this system doubles in size.

1772
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,039
I respectfully ask the board to vote

1773
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,319
tonight to discontinue Charlton's use of

1774
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:11,359
flock, stop the installation of the four

1775
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:14,559
additional cameras, prevent automatic

1776
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,120
renewal, and direct the town

1777
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,080
administrator and town council to pursue

1778
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,920
every legally and financially

1779
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,000
appropriate termination and refund

1780
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,640
option.

1781
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,799
I wanted just to confirm Andrew I think

1782
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:30,319
what you were saying is that the

1783
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,560
citizens petition when you close the

1784
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,560
warrant it is still on the petition

1785
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,319
correct okay so we want to make sure

1786
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:38,960
that the citizens petition is still on

1787
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:43,279
the warrant for town meeting um and so

1788
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,759
um it can stay on the warrant we'll take

1789
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:49,600
it off um once uh the board takes action

1790
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,679
uh consistent what with what the

1791
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:54,719
residents uh request uh the residents

1792
01:08:54,719 --> 01:08:56,880
have made their concerns known and

1793
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,199
there's more uh citizens that will speak

1794
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:01,120
tonight and I think you've also received

1795
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,679
some emails. So tonight we are asking

1796
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:06,480
the board to respond with a clear and

1797
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:10,960
recorded decision. So thank you.

1798
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,560
>> Okay, who wants to go first?

1799
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,040
>> I think

1800
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:24,390
would you like to come up?

1801
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,799
Hello, my name is Christopher Willow, 47

1802
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:28,799
Jennings Road.

1803
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:34,000
Um, I do know that flock cameras are,

1804
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,520
you know, generally that is a lot of

1805
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,480
discussion that people have burn brain

1806
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:42,480
up over privacy concerns. Um, despite

1807
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,880
other major concerns people would have

1808
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,440
about them, I would also like to discuss

1809
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:50,159
other major concerns that these cameras

1810
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:51,920
have been involved with that are also

1811
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,600
impacting the East Coast and

1812
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:58,000
Massachusetts. Um, so generally these

1813
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,840
cameras have been leading to false

1814
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,000
arrest and they also

1815
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,360
>> Excuse me. Could you pull the microphone

1816
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:04,080
a little closer?

1817
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:04,800
>> Yes, of course.

1818
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,000
>> Especially when you're covering the

1819
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,000
office.

1820
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,239
>> Thank you. These cameras have led to

1821
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:14,080
false arrest and also false hot list

1822
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,880
assignments. These cameras also assist

1823
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,560
with AI recognition which can be

1824
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,360
determined to cars and other people that

1825
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,159
predict patterns, behavioral patterns,

1826
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:28,159
and other physical traits inside cars,

1827
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,320
bumper stickers, and anything else that

1828
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,000
is recognizable on in their environment.

1829
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,560
These car, not cars, these cameras

1830
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,560
specifically, some ALPRs also work with

1831
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,199
um ICE and some of them also work with

1832
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:44,480
other surveilling networks like

1833
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:47,679
Palunteer. Um, of course, there's other

1834
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:49,920
major details out there about this. I'm

1835
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:51,520
just

1836
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,080
spreading out more info that some people

1837
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,120
may not know. Um,

1838
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,360
despite this though, there's a whole

1839
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,840
bunch of concerns about them. And I

1840
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,320
would also like to say besides flock um

1841
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,679
taking down um the power or more likely

1842
01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:13,199
shutting these things off, they have not

1843
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:16,719
been quote unquote put down um because

1844
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:18,480
there are some been some cases where

1845
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:20,000
they have been released back up to be

1846
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,440
put on power and that was with unknown

1847
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:26,159
authority being access to playing them

1848
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:29,760
back up on power. So what I have seen

1849
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,239
most people do to actually stop these

1850
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:36,480
things being um put on

1851
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:41,199
um generally to stop the privacy

1852
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,040
concerns and all that they will cover

1853
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,120
them or generally they will just cover

1854
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,040
the camera or microphone or anything

1855
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,159
similar to that is what helps most of it

1856
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:54,880
stop. And it can also, in my opinion,

1857
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,840
generally see who is trying to mess with

1858
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,679
the camera or who's not. Um,

1859
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:05,440
besides that, um, I would also like to

1860
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:07,440
discuss how vulnerably these canals

1861
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:10,159
cannibers cameras are. Um, they are very

1862
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:13,679
vulnerable to other digital attacks.

1863
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:17,040
They are vulnerable to everyone. Um,

1864
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,239
very vulnerable in all perspectives. Um

1865
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:21,760
just like all technology it's very

1866
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,920
vulnerable. Um also there are other

1867
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,640
major ALPRs in this environment as well

1868
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,880
despite being flock and those other

1869
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,880
major ALPRs are also being um used as

1870
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,719
alternative when these flock cameras are

1871
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:39,360
going down. So I know we're not talking

1872
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,040
about other major ALPRs but despite the

1873
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,280
flock cameras going down they will be

1874
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,199
used as the alternative to be brought

1875
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,920
back up.

1876
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:54,310
Okay,

1877
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:55,760
thank you for that. Is there anybody

1878
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,840
else that's wishing to speak before

1879
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,040
>> I'm just curious where is all your

1880
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,040
knowledge coming from? Are you involved

1881
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,480
in any ways with

1882
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:03,199
>> Say again?

1883
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:05,199
>> Where is your knowledge coming from?

1884
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:08,239
>> It's coming from other civil cases

1885
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:11,040
considering um outside Massachusetts and

1886
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,040
inside Massachusetts. By civil cases you

1887
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,719
mean you read about them or you

1888
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:16,800
participated in them or you uh

1889
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,480
>> documented those

1890
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:21,520
>> it's documented some in newsletters some

1891
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,040
in post it's all variety um various

1892
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,080
government sources um that's all I can

1893
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,040
say but it's generally documented

1894
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:31,600
>> thank you

1895
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:32,480
>> yes of course

1896
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:34,750
>> on social media

1897
01:13:34,750 --> 01:13:39,669
[clears throat]

1898
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:57,990
Sh.

1899
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,440
Good evening, members of the select

1900
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,199
board. My name is Brian Powers. I live

1901
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:02,880
at 48 Partridge Hill Road here in

1902
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,120
Charlton. Uh before I begin, I want to

1903
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say clearly that our local police

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department is fantastic and I deeply

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appreciate the work they do to keep our

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01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,000
community safe. I want to acknowledge

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that most locals have no idea that we

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already have six operational flock

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01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,679
cameras hidden across town, including at

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the library, Stafford Street, Route 169

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by Amazon and the Mass Pike. A year ago,

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this technology was instituted with

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almost zero public comment. But things

1914
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,600
have changed since then. More than

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120,000 of these AI cameras have sprung

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up. what seems like instantly across the

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,920
country. What started as an isolated

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01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,400
safety tool has rapidly scaled into a

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massive centralized corporate

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surveillance network and now we're

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talking about expanding our local

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01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,159
footprint even further.

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While we all know that privacy concerns

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and abstract theories surrounding the n

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the nationwide scale exist, I'm not here

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tonight to debate them. Instead, I'm

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here to address the immediate

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operational, financial, and legal

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,920
liabilities this specific contract

1930
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,560
brings to Charlton. Practical risks that

1931
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,159
our closest neighbors have already

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recognized and acted upon.

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We are an extreme outlier in our own

1934
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,520
backyard. Our direct neighbors are

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01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,000
rapidly dismantling this exact system.

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South Beach has suspended its flock

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agreement due to lack of of guardrails.

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Auburn has ordered the complete

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,000
deactivation and physical removal of its

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01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,480
flock cameras. Douglas, Grafton, and

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Boilston have all followed suit and

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01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,280
canceled their contract. If our closest

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01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:32,800
neighboring towns have determined that

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01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,280
flock is a liability, Charlton must ask,

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,199
"Why are we doubling down by expanding

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it?"

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This is a procurement risk based on the

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exact same text we signed. Towns like

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01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,120
South Bridge and Auburn halted or paused

1950
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,280
their programs because local officials

1951
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,920
in legal reviews raised serious alarms

1952
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,760
about the standard contract terms and

1953
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,960
municipal oversight. Because Flock Huses

1954
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,640
uniform boilerplate agreements

1955
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nationwide, the contracts that

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Southbridge and Auburn found to be

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unacceptable are likely the exact same

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01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,760
contracts that Charlton has signed. We

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01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,520
need our town council to review this

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01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,040
immediately before we deepen our

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financial and legal exposure.

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This is a massive fiscal and legal risk

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for our taxpayers. Independent audits of

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active deployments have revealed that

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Flock AI can suffer from error rates as

1966
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high as 71%

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in vehicle reads. When a machine

1968
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:29,600
mistakes a zero for an O, it triggers a

1969
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,159
high-risisk felony stop. Towns across

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01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:33,679
the country are facing massive civil

1971
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:35,520
rights lawsuits because innocent drivers

1972
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,679
are being pulled over at gunpoint due to

1973
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:40,400
software typos. By expanding this

1974
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,000
network, we are actively expanding

1975
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,960
Charlton's legal liability. I strongly

1976
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,360
support efficient public safety, but

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01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,600
tools of this magnitude require deep

1978
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,719
public debate, clear metrics of success,

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01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:55,679
and strict oversight. Tonight, I ask the

1980
01:16:55,679 --> 01:16:57,199
select board to protect Charlton from

1981
01:16:57,199 --> 01:16:58,880
legal liability, and align with our

1982
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,040
neighbors. Please vote to pause the

1983
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,920
expansion, place a moratorum on the

1984
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,159
current cameras, and direct town council

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to review the contract for termination.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

1988
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>> And not to add any other companies to do

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the same thing.

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>> I'm sorry. What was that?

1991
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>> And not to add any other companies

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afterwards to do the same thing. Like

1993
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:20,400
don't just cancel Flock and bring on

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01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,159
Axon. That doesn't do anything. It

1995
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:24,000
actually gets worse. So,

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>> okay.

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>> This um is there anybody else or

1998
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,080
Stephan Sage Lincoln Road? I just want

1999
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,679
to cl I'm also the chair of the

2000
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:42,400
Charleton Public Library. I just want to

2001
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,400
uh board of trustees. I just like to

2002
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,040
clarify that the flock camera or

2003
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:48,960
whatever kind of camera it is. It's was

2004
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,040
mentioned at the Charleton Library is

2005
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,679
not on Charleton Library's property. It

2006
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:56,320
is on the public sidewalk monitoring the

2007
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,719
crosswalk. Charlton Public Library had

2008
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:01,520
nothing to do about having a flock

2009
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,800
camera put into the library. Thank you.

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Okay.

2011
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:12,960
Is there anyone else to speak on the

2012
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:21,030
matter?

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» Uh, Zach Stiffler, 29 West Applewood

2014
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,480
Drive. Uh, good evening. Uh, I'm here

2015
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:28,159
tonight to ask the select board to

2016
01:18:28,159 --> 01:18:29,920
terminate its contract with Flock and

2017
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,840
remove all existing cameras from the ch

2018
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,239
town of Charlton. Charlton already has

2019
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:35,600
one of the lowest crime rates in the

2020
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,280
state. So before we create a permanent

2021
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,120
infrastructure for tracking vehicles and

2022
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,560
recording the movements of innocent

2023
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,320
residents which can be accessed not only

2024
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,199
by local agencies but federal agencies,

2025
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:46,960
some of which are actively engaged in

2026
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,280
dismantling dismantling civil liberties,

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,600
we should ask two simple questions. Is

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01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:52,960
this level of surveillance truly

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01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,800
necessary in a town with an admirably

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01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,880
low crime rate? And more importantly,

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01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,480
does the potential harm to innocent

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01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,199
citizens outweigh its benefits? Flock

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01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:02,480
cameras do not simply look for people

2034
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:04,080
who are suspected of crimes. They

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01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:05,600
collect information on everyone who

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01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,840
drives past them. That being the case,

2037
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,440
how long before an innocent person is

2038
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:10,640
charged with a crime they did not

2039
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,560
commit? Because a car similar to theirs

2040
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,080
was witnessed at a crime scene or

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01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:15,679
because a crime occurred at a place they

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01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:18,080
frequent. If you ask Lindsay Issacs of

2043
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,080
Florida, Eve Pisarelli of Rhode Island,

2044
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,159
or Chisana of Colorado, they will tell

2045
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:24,560
you it has already happened. These are

2046
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:25,920
just the first instances in which

2047
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,600
individuals have suffered despite law

2048
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,360
enforcement acting in good faith. And I

2049
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,120
believe if mass surveillance uh becomes

2050
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,960
the norm, it is reasonable to assume it

2051
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,520
will not be the last. Uh for the sake of

2052
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:36,719
time, I will not go into detail

2053
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:38,480
regarding the potential for as well as

2054
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:40,400
numerous documented cases of abuse

2055
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,520
resulting from members of law

2056
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,760
enforcement not acting in good faith.

2057
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,600
However, and with no disrespect to

2058
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,120
Charlton Police Department, I will

2059
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,480
mention that a cursory Google search

2060
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:50,320
will provide no shortage of examples,

2061
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,080
including four that have occurred in

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01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,320
Massachusetts. Uh the erosion of the

2063
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,600
Fourth Amendment is no longer a

2064
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,000
hypothetical concern. It is occurring in

2065
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,280
real time and affecting innocent

2066
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,120
citizens. I urge the board to find

2067
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:02,640
itself on the right side of history by

2068
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,719
rejecting mass surveillance, voting to

2069
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:06,480
remove flock cameras, rejecting further

2070
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:08,000
expansion of the system, and putting

2071
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,760
civil liberties and public trust before

2072
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:17,350
convenience. Thank you.

2073
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,280
» Is there anyone else to talk on that

2074
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:24,120
before we start talking?

2075
01:20:24,130 --> 01:20:26,950
[clears throat]

2076
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:33,120
I'll start off on this. So when this started percolating over the

2077
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,960
summer,

2078
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,199
we started seeing a lot of things about

2079
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:39,679
flock and all that type of thing. The

2080
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:41,520
town of Charlton put them in place two

2081
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,239
years ago, not one year ago.

2082
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:46,000
There was discussion. It was an open

2083
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,640
meeting, just like the meeting tonight.

2084
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,480
It was posted.

2085
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:52,000
Um

2086
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,440
there was discussion back and forth

2087
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,199
about it when all this hype started this

2088
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:57,199
summer.

2089
01:20:57,199 --> 01:20:58,800
Um,

2090
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,719
it's actually was it was Mike and I were

2091
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:02,560
talking about it at the end of July,

2092
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,199
early in a in August,

2093
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:07,520
and I thought it was important. Mike was

2094
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,880
actually um on that on the on the side

2095
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,600
of being against them,

2096
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,440
and I was trying to explain to him what

2097
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:21,350
we learned when we voted to put them in.

2098
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,600
So, a refresher was needed. So, we met

2099
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,520
with PD. I think all of us have

2100
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,520
individually if not Mike and I went

2101
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,840
together and YouTube went individually

2102
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,159
went through a training course on flock

2103
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:34,000
and we learned what the cameras do what

2104
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,000
they can't do

2105
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,960
we excluded all the hype

2106
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,719
um

2107
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:42,880
and it's it's a confusing part and I can

2108
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,239
understand why the public is confused

2109
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:49,440
but the um flock is not a pl is they

2110
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:51,440
confuse it with the platforms that mail

2111
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:53,600
tickets to you

2112
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,840
that's A lot of people are confusing it

2113
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,440
with flock is

2114
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,726
>> okay. Okay. Very good. Very good.

2115
01:22:01,726 --> 01:22:03,199
[clears throat] Let me finish. Let me

2116
01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:04,960
finish.

2117
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,800
It's not a It's not a platform that

2118
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,280
mails tickets. It doesn't have that

2119
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,520
technology. It is It is a simple little

2120
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,040
box

2121
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,390
that records.

2122
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,560
» Excuse me. Could I finish though? It is

2123
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,880
a simple box. We've watched the

2124
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,040
demonstrations from PD. The camera

2125
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,800
itself is what I'm talking about now.

2126
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,840
It's a simple box that takes pictures.

2127
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,040
It is a It is no It's pictures of a

2128
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,239
license plate. Flock does not have any

2129
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:37,040
facial recognition in a camera. It does

2130
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,760
not take video.

2131
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,159
>> It's not just the license plate. You can

2132
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:45,199
see the entire area of where the camera.

2133
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:47,760
>> It takes the back of the car and it it's

2134
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,920
and it stores that information.

2135
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,760
>> Right.

2136
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,520
It is a It is a

2137
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,440
>> but it doesn't have the ability to tell

2138
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:58,159
you who is driving that car.

2139
01:22:58,159 --> 01:22:59,199
>> It does not.

2140
01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:00,960
>> Your camera might not, but their system

2141
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:01,760
does.

2142
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,080
>> Their clock system does not. That's

2143
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,360
where people are wrong.

2144
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:06,719
>> To somebody else who does. What's the

2145
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:08,719
difference?

2146
01:23:08,719 --> 01:23:11,360
>> So, so what we So, we went Mike and I

2147
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:15,199
went yesterday and we had a meeting with

2148
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:17,679
Back Downer PD and Flock representatives

2149
01:23:17,679 --> 01:23:19,600
on Zoom. They were for them and they

2150
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,400
explained the system. You can you can

2151
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,480
laugh all you want.

2152
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:26,000
>> Um

2153
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,840
we're terrified.

2154
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,360
>> Why would you? It's it's

2155
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:30,639
>> dangerous.

2156
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:33,520
>> So you trust software people that are

2157
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,760
manufacturing it over

2158
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:36,639
>> who owns it?

2159
01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:38,320
>> Just

2160
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,960
a ton of water, please.

2161
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,719
>> What happens is the people at home when

2162
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:44,239
we're all talking, they can't hear what

2163
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:46,239
you're saying. And I've had many

2164
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:47,920
requests saying, "Hey, could you please

2165
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,280
remind folks if they want to say

2166
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,199
something? Come up so we can all hear

2167
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:52,719
you." Otherwise, the people at home

2168
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:55,040
can't hear what you're saying. So,

2169
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,600
excuse me for interrupting.

2170
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,760
>> Um, and I would just also like to say, I

2171
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,679
know we have the police chief here, not

2172
01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:03,520
to put him on the spot, but if he I

2173
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,280
think offering him the opportunity to

2174
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,920
say a couple of things if he chooses. If

2175
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:08,560
not, that's

2176
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,080
>> I I'd like to finish just what I was

2177
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,480
saying because I if I may. All right.

2178
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:14,480
So, we

2179
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:16,239
you can, believe it or not, you can

2180
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:18,159
watch the demonstration.

2181
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:21,520
It's if you'd like to do that. The um

2182
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,960
it's a law enforcement tool.

2183
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,800
It It reads and stores a license plate.

2184
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,639
That is it. It does not do facial

2185
01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:33,520
recognition. It does not do video. It

2186
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,040
takes

2187
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,639
a a trained law enforcement officer

2188
01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:41,280
with a case with a case. He has to have

2189
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,840
a case number and a reason and a license

2190
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,920
plate number to type in that license

2191
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,800
plate and then they can look in and say

2192
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,080
and hit a camera and say, "You know

2193
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,639
what? That stolen car was on Stafford

2194
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:55,520
Street an hour ago." That's the only

2195
01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:01,679
way. It's not looking for a crime. It's a tool to solve a crime. It and it

2196
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:04,080
doesn't do anything more than store

2197
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,679
license plate. It doesn't store the

2198
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:07,520
person's name, their information, where

2199
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,360
they live, their address. That is a

2200
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:10,880
separate tool that law enforcement has

2201
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,239
had in place for decades where they they

2202
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:15,920
use the seizure system where they use

2203
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,199
their they go in and tune it up and then

2204
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:21,600
they go searching for it.

2205
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,320
It's um

2206
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,400
the data as far as storing data right

2207
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,960
now the data flock flock stores the data

2208
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,719
for 30 days and then they erase it.

2209
01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:34,480
There was legislation around the country

2210
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:36,080
that they're trying to make that 21

2211
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,600
days.

2212
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,440
Flock is now putting in what we learned

2213
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:43,360
yesterday is that they may put in a in a

2214
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,679
in the ability to re erase the

2215
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:48,320
information in seven days. That would be

2216
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,199
up to the choice of a of a police chief

2217
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:54,880
to do that. Um state legislation is also

2218
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,159
kicking in. You're seeing it in the

2219
01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:58,400
state house. They're talking about it.

2220
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,719
What was it in um in Virginia? They're

2221
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:02,719
looking at a 21day

2222
01:26:02,719 --> 01:26:04,480
just to erase all the information on

2223
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:07,679
fly. It is it is no different than going

2224
01:26:07,679 --> 01:26:09,760
outside and taking a photograph of the

2225
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,000
back of my car right now. That it's it's

2226
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,080
the same it's the same thing. You can

2227
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:15,040
laugh.

2228
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:15,920
>> Is that

2229
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,840
>> I've I've watched the demonstrations.

2230
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,040
>> Can we watch the demonstrations?

2231
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,760
>> Yes, of course. Please do. Not tonight,

2232
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,159
but yes. You know, that's you know,

2233
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:25,440
that's probably the best point I've

2234
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:28,320
heard from from the from the

2235
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,480
>> the the opponents of this whole system

2236
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:32,480
tonight is can we watch it? Absolutely.

2237
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:34,080
The problem is education.

2238
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,480
>> Yes. Is that just the brochure or is

2239
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:38,400
there data saying that this is legit?

2240
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:39,520
Because I mean

2241
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,520
>> you could look at two things if if the

2242
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,760
chief allows it. You could look at what

2243
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,719
an officer does when he has a he has to

2244
01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:49,520
have a case file a case number and a

2245
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,600
license plate in order to log into the

2246
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:52,159
system.

2247
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:55,120
>> Is that

2248
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:58,320
I you know I can't speak I can't Yeah.

2249
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,159
You know point of order though. Yeah.

2250
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:01,360
Please if if

2251
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,760
>> what's up the chief?

2252
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,360
Yeah, [laughter]

2253
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:06,960
>> may maybe some you know that was a good

2254
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,880
point though I did for bringing it up

2255
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:10,560
because we did talk about that it's

2256
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,520
really an educational process more than

2257
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:14,719
>> more than

2258
01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:16,239
>> I would like it to be known that the

2259
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:18,560
case number thing is a new part of the

2260
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,880
system within the last month uh police

2261
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,239
officers were not required to have a

2262
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:24,080
case number before

2263
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:25,600
>> I can't I can't

2264
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,120
>> everything anything anything and

2265
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,440
everything from the officer physically

2266
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:32,320
logging in to the website is time and

2267
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,639
date stamp recorded from their names,

2268
01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:37,440
the officer's names, the date, the time,

2269
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:39,360
and then they have to have a reason in

2270
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,440
order to pull the request to get the

2271
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:43,199
information, which would be a picture.

2272
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:46,480
Um, we have sat through hours of

2273
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:50,639
training uh through this. We had uh like

2274
01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:53,280
Steve said, we had flock on on webinar.

2275
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,760
We zoomed with them for several hours.

2276
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,480
Um, I poked around because I like

2277
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:01,120
yourself had many questions from from

2278
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,040
the whole big brother surveillance kind

2279
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,480
of thing. Um, right down to is it

2280
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:08,960
tracking me where I go, how I get there.

2281
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,120
It's none of that. I I have to tell you

2282
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,199
I was completely

2283
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:14,960
I don't want to say upset, but I was a

2284
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,800
little upset at what these cameras

2285
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,320
actually had the functionalities and

2286
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,360
capabilities of doing. I I have wildlife

2287
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,199
cameras out in the woods that take way

2288
01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:24,960
better pictures and are way more

2289
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,920
detailed than these. These things just

2290
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,159
take six pictures every second

2291
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:33,120
continuously, non-stop.

2292
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:38,229
>> Go ahead.

2293
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:40,080
» Yeah, we're gonna have to Sorry about

2294
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,280
that. just

2295
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,840
>> um I believe Boston just got rid of them

2296
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,080
because one of the concerns was that

2297
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:47,920
even the even though the contract said

2298
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,159
that it would not or it would only take

2299
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:52,320
it for 21 days, 30 days, whatever it may

2300
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,080
be, that wasn't the case. They were

2301
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,560
finding it going into national databases

2302
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,239
being logged in these data centers.

2303
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:00,239
They'll stay there forever and then if

2304
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:01,840
they ever want to find anything about

2305
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,360
anybody, they can just type something in

2306
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,080
and it has our whole entire life in

2307
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:07,120
there. Like it's so it's just

2308
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:08,480
>> So that's not that's not the case.

2309
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:10,000
>> That's not the case. We we've released

2310
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,760
copies of contracts. We've released

2311
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,639
copies of terms and conditions. We we've

2312
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:17,199
asked the same questions to the chief. I

2313
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:20,080
asked Flock themselves the same thing.

2314
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,560
We own the data. We own the information

2315
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,520
that these cameras take these pictures.

2316
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,440
Nobody else gets them. And after I

2317
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,199
believe it's 30 days now, everything

2318
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:31,840
deletes and goes away. And and that is

2319
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,520
per the contract. That's that's written

2320
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:34,080
in there.

2321
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,639
>> And then I mean

2322
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:38,000
audit.

2323
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,000
>> Yes.

2324
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,080
the chief of police and whoever he

2325
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,000
assumes I'm assuming probably a captain

2326
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,360
and again there's a report that

2327
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,470
>> come

2328
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:50,560
we don't trust anybody else

2329
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,440
>> again no disrespect to the police but

2330
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:55,280
>> should there not be an independent third

2331
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,600
party agency making sure that the data

2332
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:58,239
is secure

2333
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:00,719
>> there is there is that's what I asked

2334
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:02,000
same thing

2335
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,679
>> I don't have the name of the company

2336
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:04,560
that does it

2337
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:05,760
>> actually but it's validated

2338
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,080
>> if we can stay on one if you're you all

2339
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,600
done with. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine.

2340
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,719
>> Dan, you want to you want to

2341
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:17,120
put put you on the spot

2342
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:18,960
>> for anybody? This is our chief of police

2343
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:19,600
stand out.

2344
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,600
>> Welcome myself to the Lions, right?

2345
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:25,040
>> Yeah. Well, hey. Yeah.

2346
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,560
>> And Lieutenant Gribbons

2347
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:30,239
>> what flock does and doesn't do. Nobody

2348
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:32,080
wants to live in a police state. Nobody

2349
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:33,440
wants to be constantly under

2350
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:36,400
surveillance. When you have a flock

2351
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,320
camera, we'll use the live near the

2352
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:41,520
library. Sorry, near the library. When a

2353
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,440
plate goes by, it takes approximately

2354
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:46,400
six pictures of either your license

2355
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,480
plate or vehicle description. So, per

2356
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:50,639
second per second. So, it's not a video

2357
01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:53,199
that's constantly running, but it's six

2358
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:56,239
quick snapshots. So, if somebody said,

2359
01:30:56,239 --> 01:30:57,920
"Hey, I just got into a hit and run and

2360
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,159
a red pickup truck came by." We could

2361
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:01,520
now go and say, "We've got a hit and

2362
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,840
run. Did any red pickup trucks go by in

2363
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,080
the last five minutes?

2364
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,159
I could look at hours and hours of

2365
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:10,000
traditional video, but it wouldn't do

2366
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,760
all that work for me and just find it.

2367
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,199
What it's going to show me is a picture

2368
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:15,600
of your vehicles. People like, "What if

2369
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,600
the data gets released?" What Steve was

2370
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,400
implying was what gets released is a

2371
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:21,760
picture of your license plate. It

2372
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,280
doesn't. We have to do another step and

2373
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,040
go into what's called CIS and then run

2374
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,960
that license plate to get your personal

2375
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,560
information, which isn't part of the

2376
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,480
flock system. What the flex system is

2377
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:32,400
going to show is a picture of possible

2378
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,600
vehicle red pickup truck license plate

2379
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:39,520
123 ABC. That's all we got. Now, that

2380
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,239
may you may not be the person that

2381
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:43,920
caused what of the hit and run, but at

2382
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,000
least it gives us like three vehicles

2383
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,520
matching that description went by. We

2384
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,120
can go talk to three people. Oh, geez,

2385
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:50,960
you've got front end damage. You're

2386
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:52,239
probably the person that just did the

2387
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:53,600
hit and run. That's what we would do

2388
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,880
with that information. Um, Anthony can

2389
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,120
speak much more eloquently about it. Uh,

2390
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,600
as far as the technology,

2391
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:07,600
>> so the technology takes six stills per excuse me, six stills per second.

2392
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,440
Um, it's not a, like the chief said,

2393
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:13,280
it's not a continuous video feed. Um,

2394
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,760
sometimes if a vehicle is traveling too

2395
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,280
fast, it doesn't catch it. Um,

2396
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,960
you know, it it uh it's set up on an

2397
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:24,639
algorithm. It works off the algorithm.

2398
01:32:24,639 --> 01:32:26,880
It's not recording, like you said,

2399
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:32,000
video. It doesn't record voice. Um, and

2400
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:32,560
>> go ahead.

2401
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,080
>> This is just in the current state,

2402
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:35,760
right? There could be updates later

2403
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:36,239
where this

2404
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:37,199
>> I don't think we're interested in

2405
01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:39,040
updating beyond that. I mean, we're not

2406
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,600
looking to get into like shot spotter

2407
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:42,960
and all these other things.

2408
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,040
>> Yeah. I think there's a fear of

2409
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:46,880
technology in general, like, oh my god,

2410
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,320
this is what's going to happen next.

2411
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:50,159
That's not what we're looking to do. But

2412
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:51,600
yeah, once it's in there, it's hard to

2413
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:52,000
get out.

2414
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,880
>> As a police chief, I don't know what I

2415
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,760
say to the family of Molly Bish or Holly

2416
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,520
Perini that we couldn't have helped

2417
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,120
identify a vehicle, maybe found that

2418
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:04,239
child before something tragic happened.

2419
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:06,239
You sure? You know, um we're not looking

2420
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:08,800
for we're not working with ICE that

2421
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,719
doesn't know a person's name. It doesn't

2422
01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:12,239
have the ability to do that. But what it

2423
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:14,159
does is a red pickup truck. We can say

2424
01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:17,199
that many red pickup truck go by Chevy

2425
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:19,760
and it could identify three or four

2426
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,400
Chevy red pickup trucks went by. If we

2427
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,040
were to say um you know this is the

2428
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,760
possible license plate, you know, 123

2429
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,159
ABC, it would say, "Hey, it went by the

2430
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:33,520
library heading that direct towards CVS,

2431
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:35,120
but it doesn't tell us where where you

2432
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:36,880
came from, what you were thinking about

2433
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,360
going to." I mean, people have this idea

2434
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,840
that it it's plotting out their whole

2435
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,679
day and saying, you know, is it going to

2436
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:45,199
tell me that I was having an affair on

2437
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:47,040
my wife? It it doesn't do any of that.

2438
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,880
It really doesn't. It literally takes a

2439
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:50,960
snapshot, which hopefully with six

2440
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,280
snapshots, we can get a license plate.

2441
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:55,360
It's not perfect. Doesn't always happen.

2442
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:56,320
>> It's true.

2443
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,480
But it gives us a better chance of

2444
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:01,199
finding a missing person, finding an

2445
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:03,199
elderly person with dementia that the

2446
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:06,080
family, you know, a a wife wakes up in

2447
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,440
the morning and says, "Hey, my my

2448
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:09,760
husband has dementia. The car is missing

2449
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,400
and you know, stuff like that." Um, now

2450
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:13,679
a lot of times all we can tell them is

2451
01:34:13,679 --> 01:34:15,760
it went down Stafford Street where it

2452
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:17,920
went, we can say a direction of travel

2453
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,800
that we got a flock hit on that vehicle,

2454
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,880
the missing person, right? where it

2455
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,560
went, but we got a time frame that hey,

2456
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,040
it went by at 8 o'clock this morning,

2457
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:28,800
but we won't know that until we go look.

2458
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,400
>> Are you telling me that the system will

2459
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:34,239
not when you search that vehicle on that

2460
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:37,199
give you every hit in an area?

2461
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:39,440
>> What do you mean by that? So like

2462
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:42,080
>> when you search when you search for a a

2463
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,719
vehicle, are you searching for based on

2464
01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:46,639
characteristics of the vehicle? Are you

2465
01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:49,040
searching for based on plate? plate is

2466
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,360
our our primary,

2467
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:52,639
>> but you could be looking for a

2468
01:34:52,639 --> 01:34:53,840
description to your point. So, it does

2469
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:55,840
two things. It does license plates.

2470
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,360
Sometimes people get the license plate

2471
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:58,639
wrong. They're off the digit or

2472
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:00,320
something like that. So, you can put it

2473
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,120
in. It comes up with close matches or

2474
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,280
you may get an exact match or vehicle

2475
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:06,800
description. It was a It was a brown

2476
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:08,800
van. Okay. So, we can put in we're

2477
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,120
looking for a brown van in the last 20

2478
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,199
minutes. Did it go by these cameras? But

2479
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:15,679
it doesn't tell us. You could be in

2480
01:35:15,679 --> 01:35:17,920
town, but you didn't go by the flock

2481
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:19,040
camera. So that doesn't mean you're not

2482
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:20,560
in town. It just simply means you didn't

2483
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:26,229
go by a caught on say

2484
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:28,560
» when you do that search, what is your

2485
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,560
limit? What is your limit in terms of

2486
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:31,679
time?

2487
01:35:31,679 --> 01:35:33,600
>> What is your li limit in terms of

2488
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,400
location that the system returns? So

2489
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,639
we're limited maximum maximum

2490
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:41,360
>> our maximum limitation currently is 30

2491
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,120
days

2492
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,000
>> and distance location

2493
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,000
>> no wide

2494
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,320
>> we we can search nationwide if other

2495
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:51,600
departments have given us permission to

2496
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:53,520
search the cameras

2497
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,320
>> so that's a home petition thing where

2498
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,239
you basically say are you willing to

2499
01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:00,480
share your information in Texas if they

2500
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:03,679
are then we could in theory say hey has

2501
01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:05,280
this vehicle been anywhere in the last

2502
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:06,320
30

2503
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:10,639
It was it was in Texas.

2504
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:13,120
>> But unfortunately, we're trying to limit

2505
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:14,880
if we can have just one conversation.

2506
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:16,320
>> We're trying to limit it to New England

2507
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:21,910
for the most part unless it's a serious investigation.

2508
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,400
» Roadways that that do come in trouble,

2509
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,560
right? Or areas where I'll give you an

2510
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,480
example. Stolen cars in in Charleton,

2511
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:32,159
they end up in Connecticut and they go

2512
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:34,239
to New Jersey, they go to they go to New

2513
01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:37,760
York. Okay, drugs. Drugs that are coming

2514
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,600
into trouble are coming out of the

2515
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,280
south. Okay, they're coming out of

2516
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,520
Atlanta. They're coming out of Florida.

2517
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,280
Um,

2518
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:53,840
and we have roads adjacent to us that travel into those areas. Okay. Um,

2519
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:57,440
Charlton does not have like you're not

2520
01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:00,239
seeing it's it's not

2521
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:02,080
you're not seeing handhand drug

2522
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:09,600
transactions in Charlton as much. they occur. Okay. But in Charlton, uh we

2523
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,840
are a the way the way I think to best

2524
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:17,040
describe it is we are the hub on a wheel

2525
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,239
of just roads. Okay? We have a lot of

2526
01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:21,520
access to big roads. We have a lot of

2527
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:25,280
roads close by and our roads connect to

2528
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,239
other big roads. Okay? A lot of drugs

2529
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:30,560
come through. There's no that's not a

2530
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,840
secret. Okay? Um, and if you go to

2531
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,639
Dudley District Court and wonder, hey,

2532
01:37:36,639 --> 01:37:38,080
why are there so many trafficking

2533
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:39,840
arrests in this area? It's because of

2534
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,239
the roads that are here. Okay. Um, and

2535
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:44,960
those roads, we all use them every day,

2536
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,800
but drug dealers and drug traffickers

2537
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,040
use them every day, too. Uh, and people

2538
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:50,719
doing other crimes, too.

2539
01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:52,560
>> So, if there's an Amber Alert, not all

2540
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,080
drug, that's not always criminal, but if

2541
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:55,440
there's an Amber Alert for somebody

2542
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:57,360
missing or an elderly person, we can

2543
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,040
literally put that plate in and get an

2544
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,440
activation if they come into town. We

2545
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:03,199
may not be able to catch them or find

2546
01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:04,800
them because they're continuing to

2547
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,560
drive, but at least we got we can notify

2548
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,800
the surrounding communities. Hey, this

2549
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,639
vehicle just went down Stafford Street.

2550
01:38:10,639 --> 01:38:12,080
Don't know where it's headed, but it's

2551
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:15,119
in the area. It also puts vehicles that

2552
01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:16,719
we're looking for. They're now in New

2553
01:38:16,719 --> 01:38:18,480
Bedford. There's no reason for us to be

2554
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:20,000
driving around aimlessly looking for

2555
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,080
them anymore. We know they're not in the

2556
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:23,679
area. So, that's why sometimes it does

2557
01:38:23,679 --> 01:38:25,760
help to reach out. Does the contract

2558
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,199
limit you to the

2559
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:32,000
is the contract limited specifically to

2560
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,520
the ALPRs that are currently built or

2561
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:40,480
does it does it also allow for

2562
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:42,960
oh

2563
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,360
does it allow for the condor models that

2564
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,000
allow free form? No, we we have Falcon

2565
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:51,119
models right now. Um those are the the

2566
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:52,639
ones that we have. Those are our

2567
01:38:52,639 --> 01:38:56,560
contract. Um everything that I am seeing

2568
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,040
okay regarding Falcon there's no voice

2569
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:00,480
recognition. There's no facial

2570
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:02,480
recognition in that.

2571
01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:04,159
>> Is there anything preventing the

2572
01:39:04,159 --> 01:39:06,159
installation?

2573
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:08,880
>> We wouldn't sign a contract for a condor

2574
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:14,709
model. We can only sign for models.

2575
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:17,440
» Ian, to your point earlier, we can only

2576
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:19,679
search flock.

2577
01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:22,000
>> Okay. So we can't search an ax on

2578
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,360
camera. We can't search

2579
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,840
>> not not via this not via this system.

2580
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:26,800
Not via the system.

2581
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:28,400
>> We don't we don't have a contract with

2582
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,639
them to search. So we don't have that

2583
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:33,360
data available to us.

2584
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:33,679
>> Correct.

2585
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:35,360
>> I have a question on the suggestions

2586
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:39,199
point about scope of the searches. Um,

2587
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:41,760
would that type of search, say red

2588
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,880
pickup truck and in Charleton, including

2589
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:46,639
outside of Charlton, could that

2590
01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:49,920
constitute a drag net search that was

2591
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:51,920
deemed unconstitutional? The Fourth

2592
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,480
Amendment earlier this year, 63 in a

2593
01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:57,040
Supreme Court case.

2594
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:00,159
>> I think you'd have to give me more. Uh,

2595
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:05,590
>> Anony's got a law degree, by the way,

2596
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:09,600
» but no, but I I see your concern. Okay.

2597
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,280
>> Um

2598
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,600
>> but I would say this to you. Okay. Who

2599
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,159
in the room doesn't have a smartphone?

2600
01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:18,560
>> Okay.

2601
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,080
>> And that's what scares me more than

2602
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,159
anything else.

2603
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:23,520
>> No, I understand that.

2604
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:26,639
>> Carpenter 2018 Supreme Court case

2605
01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:29,040
outlawed searches by location because

2606
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:30,400
you're not necessarily giving up your

2607
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,280
right to privacy um based on your

2608
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,199
location because a smartphone is a

2609
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:37,119
integral part of your life. there's a

2610
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:38,320
difference for vehicle.

2611
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,000
>> I'm not talking about that. I agree with

2612
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,679
you on that. It's a search warrant. It's

2613
01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:43,840
a It's

2614
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:46,480
>> But my concern is the data that's in my

2615
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:48,560
phone. I can't control who it's being

2616
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:56,790
shared to. Okay. Um

2617
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,480
» No, you can't.

2618
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:01,679
>> I turn off everything in my phone. Okay.

2619
01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:04,159
And I'll give you an example. Today we

2620
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:06,639
had a fingerprint installed. fingerprint

2621
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:09,760
machine installed in the station and I

2622
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:13,040
got an ad for card stock. Okay, I didn't

2623
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:14,639
Google anything. I didn't look anything

2624
01:41:14,639 --> 01:41:17,920
up and there's something beyond what I

2625
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,080
can control that's that's doing that.

2626
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:21,440
Okay,

2627
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:22,960
>> but I think that's that's part of the

2628
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:23,600
point.

2629
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:26,080
>> It's actually part of these

2630
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,719
cameras. I think we need

2631
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:34,000
>> for one second. Okay. So, I I have a I

2632
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:37,520
don't know AOL email address. Okay.

2633
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,159
>> So, I have a Gmail.

2634
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:42,320
>> Gmail doesn't give me an insurance

2635
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:45,040
policy that my data is not

2636
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:46,800
>> gives us an insurance policy.

2637
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,360
>> They give us an insurance

2638
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:50,800
to the bone there.

2639
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,520
>> Um I don't know where my data is being

2640
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:57,440
shared or what have you. Um and I get

2641
01:41:57,440 --> 01:41:59,199
concerned about that. Whereas talk at

2642
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:01,679
least gives me some assurance and I I do

2643
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:03,360
see your concern.

2644
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,040
>> I understand we talked for hours.

2645
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:05,679
>> Yes.

2646
01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:07,440
>> And I'm willing to talk to anybody in

2647
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:08,480
the room and and

2648
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:11,440
>> I just think we need to understand that

2649
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:12,639
just like you and I had this

2650
01:42:12,639 --> 01:42:14,880
conversation that this is larger than

2651
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,520
Charlton. We can certainly talk about

2652
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,760
the individual circumstances of a

2653
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,480
dementia patient or a lost child. We

2654
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:24,880
agree with all of that. But if that can

2655
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,440
be used have that how do I access it? I

2656
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:29,280
can't. Somebody goes missing. I can't

2657
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:31,760
blow her six months.

2658
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:33,280
>> We didn't have any of this and you were

2659
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:34,080
fine.

2660
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:35,760
>> No, no, we wouldn't be fine.

2661
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,400
>> We still solve crime and police still

2662
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:41,760
did their job. So, I think we have to be

2663
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,000
understanding that this the capacity of

2664
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,400
these cameras and you and I sat down and

2665
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:48,880
you showed me, do you remember how many

2666
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:52,639
outside agencies, police offic uh police

2667
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:54,719
departments and sheriff offices that

2668
01:42:54,719 --> 01:42:57,440
you've told me how many access to our

2669
01:42:57,440 --> 01:42:58,159
cameras.

2670
01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:00,639
>> 119 of 120,000.

2671
01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:03,199
>> Yes. And then you had like 50 more that

2672
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:04,320
you had to give permission.

2673
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:05,520
>> 15, right?

2674
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:06,080
>> 15.

2675
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:09,600
>> So you have 1,200 or almost 1,200

2676
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,080
outside agencies, not even to do with

2677
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,239
Charleton that have access to our

2678
01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:16,480
cameras. And I think we need to

2679
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:19,040
understand what can they see, when can

2680
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:20,639
they see it, where what are they doing

2681
01:43:20,639 --> 01:43:22,719
with

2682
01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:25,040
a horrible picture. [laughter] It's not

2683
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:25,520
even

2684
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,119
>> the picture that the camera takes. It's

2685
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:28,880
not a

2686
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,440
>> We're getting where I think the two

2687
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:33,199
people on the side of the road walking

2688
01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:35,440
in old home day. I could see everything.

2689
01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:37,199
I could see the dog. I could see

2690
01:43:37,199 --> 01:43:38,800
everything in the picture. So, I don't

2691
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,320
>> How about the ring cameras? Do you got

2692
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:42,639
you have a ring cameras on your house?

2693
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:44,400
>> No,

2694
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:45,520
we're getting a little We're getting a

2695
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:46,320
little What? I'm

2696
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,800
>> I guess what I'm hoping is that we can

2697
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,360
before you vote. There's a lot of

2698
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:52,880
information that was not included. I

2699
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:54,400
sent you an email a couple days ago.

2700
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,000
Still have not got that information

2701
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:59,520
regarding my public records request. Um,

2702
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,600
what outside agencies can search or

2703
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:04,080
request Charlton's data? Does Charlton

2704
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,480
approve each outside search individually

2705
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:08,719
or do some agencies have continuing

2706
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:11,840
access? Can Charlton audit every outside

2707
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,159
search including who conducted it and

2708
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:16,320
why? I know you get a case and they say,

2709
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:18,960
"We need to see this. Why?" Okay. And

2710
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:20,639
then I think the town needs to

2711
01:44:20,639 --> 01:44:24,159
understand you showed me one camera on

2712
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:27,679
Stafford Street in a 30-day period

2713
01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:30,719
>> licensed or took pictures of a half a

2714
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:34,880
million different well not different

2715
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,199
half a million pictures. Yes.

2716
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:40,000
>> Half a million pictures of us.

2717
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:43,520
>> Right. And only of your car.

2718
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:44,159
No. Do you?

2719
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:44,800
>> Huh?

2720
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,400
>> Of your license plate.

2721
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,400
of the entire car.

2722
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,520
>> You can see the entire back of the car,

2723
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:55,520
not the license plate. If I'm if I am

2724
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,560
driving, if the if the picture is taken

2725
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,040
once every six seconds or six every 1

2726
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,040
seconds, you are going to get a picture

2727
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:04,239
of me

2728
01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:07,199
>> in that if I go the same speed or a

2729
01:45:07,199 --> 01:45:09,679
different speed. So, you can't just be

2730
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:11,119
careful with making those blanket

2731
01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:13,440
statements because

2732
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:16,000
>> I know it doesn't intend pictures of

2733
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,199
people, but it does. And again, this is

2734
01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:21,520
all we're asking for is transparency to

2735
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,199
be able to have this.

2736
01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:24,880
>> You're you're actually you're actually

2737
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:26,480
not asking for transparency. We're

2738
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:27,679
trying to give you that. You're asking

2739
01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:29,840
for You're asking to get rid of them is

2740
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:30,480
what you're asking.

2741
01:45:30,480 --> 01:45:31,679
>> Well, I'm asking to get rid of them

2742
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:33,440
because we don't have the transparency.

2743
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:34,719
We don't

2744
01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:36,719
>> If we can just if we can just hold that

2745
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:39,119
thought right there. Now there was some

2746
01:45:39,119 --> 01:45:41,040
there was when we brought up the idea of

2747
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,440
training or or a seminar we could show

2748
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:46,000
people that I I was looking at a lot of

2749
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:47,119
people nodding their heads an

2750
01:45:47,119 --> 01:45:49,360
educational format where people could do

2751
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:52,080
that. We saw it and we were convinced

2752
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,960
that it's not a threat. It's not I'm I

2753
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:58,000
don't like big government. I don't like

2754
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,360
>> big government looking down on me. I big

2755
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,199
brother all of that stuff. I don't like

2756
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:05,760
that. And and I'm sure and the chief

2757
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:07,840
that is not what this is. That is not

2758
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:09,040
what this is.

2759
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:10,400
>> I think I'm sorry, Steve.

2760
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:10,880
>> No.

2761
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,639
>> I think when these came out two years

2762
01:46:12,639 --> 01:46:15,440
ago and there's been zero incidences

2763
01:46:15,440 --> 01:46:17,280
here in Charlton of anybody abusing

2764
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:17,760
anything.

2765
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:19,280
>> That's not true.

2766
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:24,390
>> Yes, it is.

2767
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,080
» Correct.

2768
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,639
Nobody Nobody has abused the

2769
01:46:28,639 --> 01:46:29,440
cameras themselves.

2770
01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:31,199
>> What do you mean abused the cameras?

2771
01:46:31,199 --> 01:46:33,920
using them to find the chief's example

2772
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:35,520
of somebody cheating on somebody's wife

2773
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:36,960
or husband or whatever it is. There

2774
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:38,320
hasn't been any of that.

2775
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:42,320
>> Me personally, Charleston had to pay a

2776
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:45,040
me personally. What I experienced not

2777
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:46,719
you know what on that what we haven't

2778
01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:50,960
talked about yet of the policy that's in place that the chief put in

2779
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,360
two years ago. There were five five

2780
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,920
reasons you can log into the system and

2781
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,159
five and more than five that you can't.

2782
01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:00,000
And the ones that you can't are

2783
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:01,920
immigration purposes. There's a lot on

2784
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,480
there that you'd actually like to read.

2785
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:06,960
>> I have it, but it does it's not accurate

2786
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:07,679
like

2787
01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:09,119
>> it's not accurate because you don't

2788
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:10,960
understand it or it's not accurate dates

2789
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:13,199
of when the policy who signed the policy

2790
01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:15,920
and then what are the you know uh

2791
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:17,360
punishments if you will? What's the

2792
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:19,199
accountability in the policy?

2793
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:23,520
>> If if it's misused, you're saying what's

2794
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:27,679
the accountability? No, that would be a disciplinary action from

2795
01:47:27,679 --> 01:47:29,440
the chief, but for sure.

2796
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:31,119
>> I know, but it's just not in the policy

2797
01:47:31,119 --> 01:47:32,400
>> because it hasn't happened. Well, that

2798
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,760
hasn't Well, maybe we that I'm I don't I

2799
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:37,199
can't speak for him on that, but

2800
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:38,719
>> I also think we haven't heard enough of

2801
01:47:38,719 --> 01:47:40,400
the good things that that the flot

2802
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,159
cameras have done for us.

2803
01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:44,000
>> Like I don't know how many people have

2804
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,800
heard what happened at Bayath just last

2805
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,040
week.

2806
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:52,320
>> Have you? My son was in that class.

2807
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:52,800
>> Yes, I

2808
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:54,080
>> at that evening. And

2809
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,719
>> there was a shooter in route to cameras

2810
01:47:56,719 --> 01:47:58,960
probably I would probably have no sound

2811
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:00,239
didn't help that

2812
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:02,560
>> that's how they caught the suspect

2813
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:06,239
>> and you certainly at that period

2814
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:08,719
>> Brown University and MIT that's how they

2815
01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:10,960
caught it Marvin Antoine that just

2816
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:12,719
passed away last weekend at the football

2817
01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:15,360
game down in in in Rhode Island or UMass

2818
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:18,239
Dartmouth he was stabbed to death flock

2819
01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:20,320
helped catch that killer

2820
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:24,080
>> well I was a lot of good

2821
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,880
I am telling you I'm the mother. I'm I'm

2822
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,119
not speaking as the select board member.

2823
01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:32,480
My son was in that class on No, you

2824
01:48:32,480 --> 01:48:34,639
don't. Do you did you have a son in that

2825
01:48:34,639 --> 01:48:36,719
class? No, you didn't. And because of

2826
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:39,199
those fl No, you don't. And in because

2827
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:41,440
of the flaw camera,

2828
01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:44,320
>> call it whatever you want. I have a son

2829
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:47,520
tonight and that's it on that topic

2830
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,199
because Yes.

2831
01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:52,080
>> Because because of that. So from because

2832
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:53,360
he never made it to the school

2833
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:54,400
apprehended him and

2834
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:56,080
>> the FBI was involved with the social

2835
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:57,119
media.

2836
01:48:57,119 --> 01:48:59,360
>> Basha, please we can just try to try to

2837
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,199
get this back.

2838
01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:02,480
>> Try to get this back on to some

2839
01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:04,639
measurable outcome.

2840
01:49:04,639 --> 01:49:06,800
>> FBI picked up something about a

2841
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,800
potential shooting.

2842
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:10,159
They reached out to our police

2843
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:13,199
department. They started to set up their

2844
01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:15,679
standout points. That's how they tracked

2845
01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:18,080
this guy. They they knew who made the

2846
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,719
post. They know where he was going

2847
01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:24,080
because he was a student

2848
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:25,600
and that's how they caught him.

2849
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,199
>> He never made it to the school and you

2850
01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:29,280
never heard about it because it wasn't

2851
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:30,239
technically an incident

2852
01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:31,920
>> whether we had flock or not. They still

2853
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:36,320
would have done that to do with

2854
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,159
that because they he was apprehended.

2855
01:49:38,159 --> 01:49:40,400
>> It is a it is it is a it's a tool in

2856
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:42,400
their tool box. It's not there.

2857
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,800
>> It's not the you don't understand

2858
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,639
>> about who else has access.

2859
01:49:46,639 --> 01:49:49,280
>> All right. So is there you you sat

2860
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,199
through the presentation. You know who

2861
01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:52,480
else has access.

2862
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:53,040
>> Is there a way

2863
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,600
>> but but on that note how many so moving

2864
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:57,840
forward and the chief I don't want to

2865
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,400
throw this on you but would you you and

2866
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,719
would you guys be willing to do some

2867
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:04,320
type of a demonstration somewhere?

2868
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:05,360
>> Yeah we were talking in the hall when

2869
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:07,679
you mentioned it. Um you

2870
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:10,239
>> I could he asked me the chief asked

2871
01:50:10,239 --> 01:50:12,239
could you do a demonstration right here

2872
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:12,639
and

2873
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:15,119
>> not this second camera. You know

2874
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:16,719
>> the problem I have is that I need a

2875
01:50:16,719 --> 01:50:19,760
secure IP address in order to use the

2876
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,880
camera. And we don't have a secure IP

2877
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,119
address here. Otherwise, I could I could

2878
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:27,119
do something for you. But we could

2879
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:28,480
definitely set something up if people

2880
01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:29,360
would be interested.

2881
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:29,760
>> Oh,

2882
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:31,199
>> every time every time they log in,

2883
01:50:31,199 --> 01:50:33,280
there's a multiffactor authentification

2884
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:35,280
or authentication that has to go through

2885
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,199
if he uses a different laptop or cell

2886
01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:38,480
phone or however they get in. There's

2887
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:40,320
multiple layers of security for them to

2888
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:41,199
even get in.

2889
01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:41,760
>> Yes, definitely.

2890
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,199
>> No, the the cell phone gives me the

2891
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:45,679
second authentication.

2892
01:50:45,679 --> 01:50:48,560
10 or 12 at a time to the chief in South

2893
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:49,280
Bridge.

2894
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:49,840
>> I'm sorry.

2895
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:51,760
>> Have you spoken to the chief in South

2896
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:52,239
Brbridge?

2897
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,000
>> Yes, I've had conversations with him.

2898
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:56,560
>> Do you know why he discontinued

2899
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:57,440
the block?

2900
01:50:57,440 --> 01:50:59,760
>> Well, at some point the um the juice

2901
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:01,199
isn't worth the squeeze if he was going

2902
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:04,080
to get attacked and everything, but

2903
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:07,040
>> he got attacked as far as the usage of

2904
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:08,400
it saying, "Hey, this is we don't want

2905
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,000
it."

2906
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,639
>> But but

2907
01:51:12,639 --> 01:51:14,159
at some point in time, you know, public

2908
01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:15,440
opinion

2909
01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:18,080
But he has expressed that they've

2910
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,159
utilized ours as far as calling us and

2911
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:21,440
saying, "Hey, we're looking for a

2912
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:23,520
vehicle that just took off. We just

2913
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:25,040
apprehended somebody that was involved

2914
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:28,239
in a shooting the other night."

2915
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:29,840
>> Old home day. There was a vehicle that

2916
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,719
drove by a stolen place from Georgia.

2917
01:51:32,719 --> 01:51:34,400
Every day there's something that can be

2918
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:36,639
caught on these

2919
01:51:36,639 --> 01:51:38,560
>> and and there's more good than bad.

2920
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:42,719
crime and all the details.

2921
01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:44,480
>> At what capacity is the town going to be

2922
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:46,320
held if there's a lawsuit

2923
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:48,400
>> from why why would there be a lawsuit?

2924
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:50,480
>> Well, like there's been almost a hundred

2925
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:54,159
cases across the country, okay, of

2926
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:56,880
situations where the camera's been used

2927
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,199
in an incapacity where it was wrongfully

2928
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:01,040
charging the person.

2929
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:04,880
>> I don't know. I'm just speaking I I

2930
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:06,480
don't know of any in Massachusetts where

2931
01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:10,159
that's happened. Okay. But if we got a a

2932
01:52:10,159 --> 01:52:12,800
hit on a motor vehicle uh off a license

2933
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:14,639
plate, the officer is going to run that

2934
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:16,480
license plate, confirm it. He's going to

2935
01:52:16,480 --> 01:52:18,080
visually confir he or she is going to

2936
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,400
visually confirm it before they make a

2937
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:21,360
stop. Okay.

2938
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,599
>> Obviously, but like in the in the grand

2939
01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:26,400
scheme of like the big picture, right?

2940
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:29,199
How is there 100 incidences already?

2941
01:52:29,199 --> 01:52:29,840
Right.

2942
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:31,040
>> We don't I don't know that.

2943
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:32,560
>> Why haven't you looked that up? You

2944
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:35,840
trust what they tell you from? Because because we're we're because

2945
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:37,440
we're in the Troutton town hall

2946
01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:40,480
discussing the town of Charlton.

2947
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:42,639
>> That's something we can verify locally.

2948
01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:43,679
We verify

2949
01:52:43,679 --> 01:52:46,400
>> any local news reports or any any of

2950
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:50,880
course we do. Of course we do. Do you do you watch on the same do you

2951
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:52,480
watch the ones where there's a positive

2952
01:52:52,480 --> 01:52:54,560
that that have been coming out?

2953
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:56,320
>> Now there seems to be a shift in the

2954
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,159
media now. You're seeing news news

2955
01:52:58,159 --> 01:53:00,719
channels even locally pick up flock and

2956
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:01,920
some of the good things about it.

2957
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:03,440
finally

2958
01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:05,040
and they're talking about cases being

2959
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:10,560
solved. The hype is going on. It's I'm really convinced it's an educational

2960
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:11,360
idea.

2961
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:13,119
>> I I was on the same side.

2962
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:14,960
>> Well, we're wrong. Like I said, I am

2963
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:16,880
limited in space, so I can't put 40

2964
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:21,360
people and and there's no way you can

2965
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:24,000
beative actions from Flock. I don't

2966
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:25,199
understand you in the past two weeks,

2967
01:53:25,199 --> 01:53:26,239
you haven't looked it up. I mean, you

2968
01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:27,760
might not believe everything, but

2969
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:28,639
there's all suicide.

2970
01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:30,560
>> I'm on social media all the time. I see

2971
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,360
the negative hype, but but I but I've

2972
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:35,360
also been going through the training and

2973
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:36,960
there were people laughing when I said

2974
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:39,760
it doesn't do voice recognition. It the

2975
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:41,840
cameras we have it does not. There were

2976
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:43,679
people laughing when I said that. There

2977
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:48,320
were still people laughing when I

2978
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:50,239
movements. You have the license plate.

2979
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:54,080
>> It is a snapshot of a it's not

2980
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:56,719
>> but it doesn't but it doesn't look it

2981
01:53:56,719 --> 01:53:59,199
doesn't private companies that

2982
01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:01,119
information. The police can pinch your

2983
01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:04,560
phone and find you so much easier.

2984
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:06,320
>> Same with the ring. Same with the social

2985
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:07,199
media. You people.

2986
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:09,920
>> All right. We haven't given this.

2987
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:11,920
>> If we get some more to hear, um Karen

2988
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:13,280
would like to speak and we haven't let

2989
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:13,679
her

2990
01:54:13,679 --> 01:54:15,599
>> I've actually said haven't said a word

2991
01:54:15,599 --> 01:54:16,320
yet.

2992
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,639
>> So, I think what this board needs to

2993
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:21,679
think about is

2994
01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:23,520
this is this is we have a citizens

2995
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:26,159
petition. If this passes or doesn't

2996
01:54:26,159 --> 01:54:28,719
pass, how are we going to react to that?

2997
01:54:28,719 --> 01:54:31,040
because as far as I'm concerned and

2998
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:32,480
again they're great talking points

2999
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:34,719
tonight and I encourage everyone to you

3000
01:54:34,719 --> 01:54:37,599
know become more informed so we can all

3001
01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:39,920
have make a again an educated informed

3002
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:42,080
decision that night but at the end of

3003
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:45,840
the day this I can speak for myself and

3004
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:47,840
I want to know how the town's people

3005
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,719
feel because you are the ones that again

3006
01:54:50,719 --> 01:54:53,520
I I referenced that org chart early on

3007
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,520
you're our boss bosses as far as I'm

3008
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,119
concerned and what you say at town

3009
01:54:57,119 --> 01:54:59,840
meeting speaks loudly at least to me.

3010
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:01,679
But you're going to know both sides of

3011
01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:05,119
it. The you decision regardless of what

3012
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:07,280
it is and our decision comes with

3013
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:10,080
consequences. Just get informed. But I

3014
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:12,080
and again I think we need to decide you

3015
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:14,000
know if I know it's a non-binding

3016
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:15,840
question. Non-binding question means if

3017
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:17,360
even if it passes that we're not

3018
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,480
obligated to take any action because

3019
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:22,719
it's non-binding.

3020
01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:25,599
But I think we are obligated

3021
01:55:25,599 --> 01:55:27,760
to do so because it's in the spirit of

3022
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:30,639
the question. We should in my opinion

3023
01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:33,440
abide by what the town's people want.

3024
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:37,199
>> I and I think I I not saying I disagree

3025
01:55:37,199 --> 01:55:40,000
with you, but but I think the problem a

3026
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,719
lot of the problem is people what what

3027
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:44,080
they're what they what they're

3028
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:46,719
understanding isn't the factual

3029
01:55:46,719 --> 01:55:49,520
>> understood. Education is important and I

3030
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:51,440
think there's a way we can do it. I

3031
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:54,400
don't know how It's just what is that we

3032
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:55,679
have to decide on?

3033
01:55:55,679 --> 01:55:57,920
>> I think

3034
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,800
>> so maybe does does this board want to

3035
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:03,679
move forward with any kind of motion

3036
01:56:03,679 --> 01:56:06,480
regarding the outcome if this motion if

3037
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:10,560
the cition motion passes

3038
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,480
>> fill in the blank do we want to then

3039
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:14,480
pause or you want to wait

3040
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:16,560
>> I don't think he wants by the citizens

3041
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:19,520
decision I think he wants to

3042
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:23,350
make choice himself

3043
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:24,960
I was just trying to kind of contain it

3044
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:26,880
a little bit. And again, this is I think

3045
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:28,880
that we all I think the consensus is in

3046
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:30,480
this room that our Charlton Police

3047
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:32,320
Department really does a great job and

3048
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,320
we have confidence it's it's all the

3049
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:36,639
other unknowns out there. I I I get it.

3050
01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:39,040
Good points made on both sides. But

3051
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:41,760
>> that's any I already said it and then

3052
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:44,800
>> I I I'm pretty firm on the Mike was a

3053
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:46,800
perfect example. Mike was like a lot of

3054
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,040
people in this room right now a month

3055
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:54,239
ago and he sat through the training and him and I we argued about it and

3056
01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:55,599
then I said fine let's go get some

3057
01:56:55,599 --> 01:56:58,239
training and then it once you see what's

3058
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:00,560
available for and the the usefulness of

3059
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:02,159
the tool

3060
01:57:02,159 --> 01:57:04,639
>> I I asked I'm sorry I asked multiple

3061
01:57:04,639 --> 01:57:07,040
questions to everybody that was there

3062
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,520
involved and and I did ask about uh the

3063
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:11,360
threeletter agencies and if they had

3064
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:14,000
access and they don't. Um there was a

3065
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:15,920
lot of questions that I had I'm sorry.

3066
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:17,520
Which three?

3067
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:20,000
>> The threeletter agencies. N any of them.

3068
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:23,760
>> FBI, CIA, ICE, NH, NHS,

3069
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,159
>> any of them.

3070
01:57:26,159 --> 01:57:30,480
>> Has I showed you four searches

3071
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:31,040
>> in the month?

3072
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:33,199
Okay. All have a reason.

3073
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:34,719
all have something associated with

3074
01:57:34,719 --> 01:57:36,560
>> time, date, stamped receipts,

3075
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:37,199
>> but they don't have

3076
01:57:37,199 --> 01:57:39,119
>> Would you agree that that was the only

3077
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:40,880
that and the US Postal Service and I

3078
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:43,280
explained to you those were the only

3079
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:46,239
ones that had a search in there

3080
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:49,280
>> for the last 30 days,

3081
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:50,480
>> right?

3082
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:51,840
>> You don't have that information. You

3083
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:53,199
couldn't give me the information before

3084
01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:54,560
that. I asked for it, but you couldn't

3085
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:56,719
give it to me because I lose it for

3086
01:57:56,719 --> 01:57:59,360
>> the last 30 days. Well, you have

3087
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:01,920
>> we should individual conversations here,

3088
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:07,510
but I don't have off the top of my head.

3089
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:10,000
» All right, this

3090
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:13,360
>> we I think we could sit here and go have

3091
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:15,599
this back and forth go all night. I

3092
01:58:15,599 --> 01:58:17,920
think the um

3093
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:20,080
what's before the board. It's obviously

3094
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,760
the it's going to be on the the article

3095
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:25,440
is going to be on town meeting,

3096
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:27,360
>> right?

3097
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:29,679
non-binding article and what are the

3098
01:58:29,679 --> 01:58:32,880
wishes of this board. I really encourage

3099
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:35,360
people to take

3100
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,520
to however we do it some type of

3101
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:39,360
educational

3102
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:43,599
to attend it with an open mind and and

3103
01:58:43,599 --> 01:58:46,560
it can't be if if it if it's an hourong

3104
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:48,880
presentation and there's bickering going

3105
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:50,239
back and forth that's going to be a

3106
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:51,920
three-hour long presentation. We don't

3107
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:57,679
want that. just come in and listen and for an hour if you do it 15 people

3108
01:58:57,679 --> 01:59:00,400
at a time. Is there any way you can do

3109
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:02,880
it in a room this size?

3110
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:04,159
>> Sure, I could. I just have to do some

3111
01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:05,040
work. Yes.

3112
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:08,480
>> In in order to get the IT the IT part of

3113
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:09,599
it and just put something together

3114
01:59:09,599 --> 01:59:10,719
that's

3115
01:59:10,719 --> 01:59:12,400
>> what works better what works better for

3116
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:14,239
people. Is it evening or is it daytime?

3117
01:59:14,239 --> 01:59:14,639
Is it

3118
01:59:14,639 --> 01:59:16,159
>> you can probably size this and see

3119
01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:19,280
>> there's only 15 at a time multiple sess.

3120
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:20,560
I don't know if we find a bigger venue,

3121
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:21,280
but it's the

3122
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:23,760
>> Dexter Hall IP address the IP a secure

3123
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:25,760
IP address is my biggest hangup.

3124
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:27,679
>> I think a room this size is probably I

3125
01:59:27,679 --> 01:59:33,030
think that's just

3126
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:33,920
here.

3127
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:38,480
>> So, I just I don't want to do the groups.

3128
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:40,239
>> I just have to find a place that can

3129
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:41,360
handle. So,

3130
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:42,639
>> you know, you know, we could we could do

3131
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:44,159
it here and this room is already all

3132
01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:46,159
televised. People would be able to watch

3133
01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:47,920
it from home. We got to make sure the

3134
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:48,960
>> the IP address.

3135
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:50,719
>> Yes. Why don't we get back on that?

3136
01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:52,080
>> I asked if we could use this room

3137
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:53,040
because I just thought it would be

3138
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:53,440
easier.

3139
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:55,040
>> No, it it does make Yeah, it does make

3140
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:56,560
sense. And you you could actually people

3141
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:58,159
could almost zoom in with a question if

3142
01:59:58,159 --> 01:59:59,840
they're at home with a question as well.

3143
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:01,119
>> And to be honest with you, I could zoom

3144
02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:03,280
in people from that would be more

3145
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:03,840
beneficial.

3146
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:04,400
>> That would be excellent.

3147
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,400
>> Mr. Chair,

3148
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:09,040
is it is there a possibility that we

3149
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:14,000
could or you could sorry you the board

3150
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:19,040
could at least vote tonight to not

3151
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:23,520
install the other four cameras um before

3152
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:25,920
the town makes a decision. I don't know

3153
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:27,920
if that's I I

3154
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:29,440
>> I would take a I would I would take a

3155
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:30,960
motion right now that

3156
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:34,080
>> I'd prefer myself not to make any

3157
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:36,719
changes until

3158
02:00:36,719 --> 02:00:38,960
>> training education is completed and if

3159
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:42,000
there's further questions or further I

3160
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:43,840
definitely don't want these around then

3161
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:45,760
we can take it from there but I don't

3162
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:47,199
where these things are bought and paid

3163
02:00:47,199 --> 02:00:48,400
for and they're up and they're working

3164
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,400
and the contract is already going even

3165
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:51,599
if we took the

3166
02:00:51,599 --> 02:00:54,000
>> cameras down still paying the contract

3167
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:57,360
In fact, it could not.

3168
02:00:57,360 --> 02:00:58,560
>> We don't even have them.

3169
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:00,639
>> We're not going to get any.

3170
02:01:00,639 --> 02:01:02,320
>> But is it Can you put that in a formal

3171
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:03,520
motion?

3172
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:05,760
>> Put that in as a motion.

3173
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:08,239
>> I'm uh Yeah, I make the motion to not

3174
02:01:08,239 --> 02:01:10,800
make any changes until we have uh either

3175
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:13,840
an online Zoom or an education class uh

3176
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:15,280
given by the police department and

3177
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:16,560
potentially flock if they can get

3178
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:17,119
involved

3179
02:01:17,119 --> 02:01:18,800
>> and see how many participation

3180
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:20,239
>> there was that last there was a

3181
02:01:20,239 --> 02:01:21,679
gentleman from Flock that was going to

3182
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:23,760
be in the area.

3183
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:26,719
until after the vote on it.

3184
02:01:26,719 --> 02:01:28,239
>> We have a motion. Do we have a second on

3185
02:01:28,239 --> 02:01:30,080
that not to take a second?

3186
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:31,119
>> Just

3187
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:32,400
>> for for

3188
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:34,239
>> So we have a motion and a second not to

3189
02:01:34,239 --> 02:01:36,400
take any action tonight.

3190
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:38,239
>> Um do we have a vote?

3191
02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:40,960
>> I talked conversation discussion usually

3192
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:42,639
happens after the motion and the second

3193
02:01:42,639 --> 02:01:44,080
Mr. Chairman.

3194
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:48,239
>> Okay. So, regarding this motion, um, why

3195
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:50,080
are we taking any action on anything

3196
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:52,960
until when we I I personally would like

3197
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:54,400
to see everything paused until after

3198
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:56,400
town meeting. I'm not sure why we have

3199
02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:58,239
to double down on saying we're not going

3200
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:01,119
to do something.

3201
02:02:01,119 --> 02:02:03,040
>> I I I'm just not understanding the need.

3202
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:04,560
>> We're just not The motion was not to

3203
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:05,679
take any action tonight.

3204
02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:06,080
>> Correct.

3205
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:08,159
>> That's that's very clear.

3206
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:09,920
>> Well, I think we should commit to

3207
02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:12,550
something.

3208
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:14,320
Well, I I think we should commit to

3209
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:16,000
something if I I personally want to

3210
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:16,400
know.

3211
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:18,639
>> No, no, no, no. We're actually following

3212
02:02:18,639 --> 02:02:22,400
your request. You you wanted us to take

3213
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:23,599
a vote tonight,

3214
02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:24,239
>> okay,

3215
02:02:24,239 --> 02:02:26,719
>> to either do one of the three things,

3216
02:02:26,719 --> 02:02:27,119
>> right?

3217
02:02:27,119 --> 02:02:29,760
>> And we're taking a vote on that on your

3218
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:30,800
request.

3219
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:32,800
>> That's about as fair as you can get

3220
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:34,400
action. So, we have a motion and a

3221
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:34,800
second

3222
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:36,560
>> to to not to not move forward with

3223
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:37,040
anything

3224
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:39,119
>> not to install until

3225
02:02:39,119 --> 02:02:41,280
>> until after the education and the people

3226
02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:42,480
that showed up here tonight.

3227
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:43,840
>> Oh, so we're not going to I say it

3228
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:45,119
wasn't clear. It wasn't

3229
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:47,679
>> we're not going to install anything.

3230
02:02:47,679 --> 02:02:49,440
>> We don't have anything to install.

3231
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:50,480
>> We don't have the cameras yet.

3232
02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:51,920
>> I'm misunderstanding.

3233
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:53,280
>> If they come tomorrow, you could install

3234
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:55,040
them based on your motion right here.

3235
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:56,159
>> Chief, have they been

3236
02:02:56,159 --> 02:02:58,000
>> I'm not I I believe the last time we

3237
02:02:58,000 --> 02:02:59,280
audited cameras, it took till like

3238
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:01,679
November. So, I'm not anticipating them

3239
02:03:01,679 --> 02:03:03,440
being in and obviously in a spirit of

3240
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:06,000
fairness, I would hold off until you

3241
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:08,159
have your moment. And

3242
02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:08,960
>> so, I mean,

3243
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:11,760
>> so amend my motion to after the class in

3244
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:13,679
the educational course to not install

3245
02:03:13,679 --> 02:03:16,000
the new cameras until this has been

3246
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:16,719
resolved.

3247
02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:17,199
>> Yes.

3248
02:03:17,199 --> 02:03:19,440
>> Until after town meeting.

3249
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:20,639
>> After town meeting.

3250
02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:21,360
>> That would

3251
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:23,040
>> Yeah, after town meeting. I go

3252
02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:26,800
>> Well, no. Is that then we know what the

3253
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:29,520
>> actually not to

3254
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:31,520
>> your first motion was

3255
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:33,040
>> I was trying to appease.

3256
02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:34,560
>> Yeah.

3257
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:35,760
>> Well, no, but that's

3258
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:38,080
>> you can you can pull it back. We can you

3259
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:40,639
can resend it and then resend it and

3260
02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:41,920
then make the right decision.

3261
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:44,080
>> I I would I would be a little less

3262
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:47,119
definitive. I I would

3263
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:50,000
>> just hold the topic in a

3264
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:51,520
>> just hold it into a bayance for right

3265
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:53,119
now.

3266
02:03:53,119 --> 02:03:55,280
>> Do it. table it.

3267
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:58,080
>> Make a motion to table the subject.

3268
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:00,000
>> Second.

3269
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:01,040
>> All in favor?

3270
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:04,000
>> I

3271
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:04,719
tableling

3272
02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:05,599
>> tableabling the subject.

3273
02:04:05,599 --> 02:04:07,119
>> I trust that the chief won't install it

3274
02:04:07,119 --> 02:04:12,310
before the meeting.

3275
02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:16,480
» Can I just ask for planning purposes? Um

3276
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:18,480
does an evening meeting or daytime

3277
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:19,599
meeting what works better for the

3278
02:04:19,599 --> 02:04:22,800
majority of people?

3279
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,400
one in the day and one at night.

3280
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:26,880
>> I can work on that.

3281
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,960
>> Some people that can get through it.

3282
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:30,000
>> I totally understand that. That's why

3283
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:30,960
I'm asking the question.

3284
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:34,080
>> Can the meeting be taped and played over

3285
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,960
and over again the same way

3286
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:38,800
like board meetings can be played over

3287
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:39,760
and over again?

3288
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:41,040
>> The only thing is people wouldn't have

3289
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:42,719
the opportunity to ask questions if I

3290
02:04:42,719 --> 02:04:44,960
was able to block it if

3291
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:46,400
>> but there'll be enough other questions

3292
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:46,960
recorded.

3293
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:49,199
>> That's fair. Can they bring data of how

3294
02:04:49,199 --> 02:04:51,280
this actually is helped like proving it

3295
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:53,119
rather than just sales pitches?

3296
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:54,800
>> I can

3297
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,280
actually even going on the internet you

3298
02:04:57,280 --> 02:05:00,639
can't find it anywhere just

3299
02:05:00,639 --> 02:05:02,080
chief of police over here. No offense

3300
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:05,280
but you know

3301
02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:08,480
>> okay if we can if we can um take those

3302
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:12,239
conversations off the we could still be

3303
02:05:12,239 --> 02:05:14,400
appreciate they're good questions and

3304
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:16,239
we'll come out with some dates. Who do

3305
02:05:16,239 --> 02:05:17,760
we

3306
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:19,199
um disseminate the information to?

3307
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:21,280
Michelle, I'm assuming you know all

3308
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:25,840
these you have access to

3309
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:28,320
>> what would be the best way to do

3310
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:31,510
>> state.

3311
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:33,040
» What we're going to do, we're probably

3312
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:34,159
going to have to limit it to the amount

3313
02:05:34,159 --> 02:05:36,880
of people we can fit in this room.

3314
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:39,599
>> Why can't we use a larger space?

3315
02:05:39,599 --> 02:05:42,639
>> Why can't we use school or any other places?

3316
02:05:42,639 --> 02:05:44,960
>> The IP address is what he was concerned

3317
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:48,320
with. How about we see the participation

3318
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,880
IP address for more? We do another one.

3319
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:53,440
>> The odds of doing the IP address here on

3320
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:55,360
the town network

3321
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:56,960
>> is one thing, but then we also have the

3322
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:58,800
recording capabilities here in Zoom and

3323
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:00,239
all that right in this room. The schools

3324
02:06:00,239 --> 02:06:02,000
don't have that. You can't you can't do

3325
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:03,360
a presentation at town meetings.

3326
02:06:03,360 --> 02:06:04,719
>> So like the library [snorts]

3327
02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:06,639
meeting room, I don't know if I have a

3328
02:06:06,639 --> 02:06:08,239
cell connection there. We definitely

3329
02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:09,679
don't have recording capability there.

3330
02:06:09,679 --> 02:06:10,880
Right.

3331
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:19,669
>> Upstairs. I don't think so.

3332
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:20,239
What' you say,

3333
02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:25,510
>> Drew?

3334
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:28,000
» Oh, in the deck server.

3335
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:30,480
>> If the IP address, why don't you look

3336
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:33,440
into that a little bit? Yeah.

3337
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:35,040
>> Computer.

3338
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:37,119
>> I really think education is the is the

3339
02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:38,639
key. And there's still going to be some

3340
02:06:38,639 --> 02:06:40,800
people that are going to believe what

3341
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:43,760
they've been believing for the last 90

3342
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:47,840
days and it's not due to that.

3343
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:49,599
But it but there are people that it will

3344
02:06:49,599 --> 02:06:53,109
change.

3345
02:06:53,119 --> 02:07:00,229
So, is there

3346
02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:06,310
» one we're going to

3347
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:07,440
» Okay, gentlemen, you're

3348
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:10,239
>> done. Am I out of the lines yet?

3349
02:07:10,239 --> 02:07:11,440
>> Thank you, Chief.

3350
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:12,079
>> Thank you.

3351
02:07:12,079 --> 02:07:14,960
>> Um, chief chief police chief of police

3352
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:19,040
contract coming up. [laughter]

3353
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:23,270
>> I'll be grayer.

3354
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:25,119
What what do we have left?

3355
02:07:25,119 --> 02:07:27,920
>> We have the town administrators report.

3356
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:32,320
>> All right. Beautiful updates.

3357
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:34,480
First of all, financial reporting. For

3358
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:36,000
the second year in a row, the town of

3359
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:40,639
Charlton has been awarded the government finance officers association

3360
02:07:40,639 --> 02:07:42,000
certificate of achievement for

3361
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:44,159
excellence in financial reporting.

3362
02:07:44,159 --> 02:07:46,560
Ashley,

3363
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:49,040
>> great work. the queen.

3364
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:52,880
>> Make sure she got her flowers tonight.

3365
02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:53,440
>> Excellent.

3366
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:56,000
>> All right. Uh, fire substation. We're

3367
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:57,440
nearing the completion of this fire

3368
02:07:57,440 --> 02:07:59,520
substation project on Oxford Road.

3369
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:00,719
There's still a considerable amount of

3370
02:08:00,719 --> 02:08:02,320
work to be done within the building in a

3371
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,000
very short time frame. And by very

3372
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:06,239
short, I mean like a week and a half.

3373
02:08:06,239 --> 02:08:08,719
Uh, currently substantial completion is

3374
02:08:08,719 --> 02:08:10,960
targeted for October 2nd. This week,

3375
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:12,560
just about all trades are wrapping up

3376
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:14,400
their work in anticipation of final

3377
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:16,560
balancing and testing of systems to be

3378
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:18,159
completed next week. Obviously, dealing

3379
02:08:18,159 --> 02:08:20,480
with all those little snafoos that, you

3380
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:24,320
know, all these projects have. Uh, but

3381
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:25,920
once we reach the final completion,

3382
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:27,520
we'll start moving furniture and

3383
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:29,840
equipment into the building.

3384
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:30,800
>> That's awesome.

3385
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:32,400
>> And then, uh, master plan. So, the

3386
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:33,840
master planning committee has been

3387
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:36,000
meeting regularly to develop an um

3388
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:37,679
community outreach strategy in support

3389
02:08:37,679 --> 02:08:40,480
of the master plan. On October 18th, the

3390
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:41,920
committee will be hosting a community

3391
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:43,760
meeting uh to help inform the

3392
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:45,599
development of the master plan. It'll be

3393
02:08:45,599 --> 02:08:48,239
at Dexter Hall over at the library. Uh

3394
02:08:48,239 --> 02:08:50,079
probably I believe it's going to be for

3395
02:08:50,079 --> 02:08:51,840
six o'clock at night. So, we'll have

3396
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:53,520
additional information on the town

3397
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:55,119
website in advance of that meeting, but

3398
02:08:55,119 --> 02:08:57,440
more to come. That's what I got.

3399
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:58,000
>> That's it.

3400
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:01,270
>> Thank you.

3401
02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:03,679
Select board requests for future agenda

3402
02:09:03,679 --> 02:09:05,520
items.

3403
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:10,709
>> Please say no.

3404
02:09:10,719 --> 02:09:12,400
» Non-binding, but please say no.

3405
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:15,599
>> Not binding.

3406
02:09:15,599 --> 02:09:16,159
>> Okay.

3407
02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:17,520
And then next meeting

3408
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:19,440
announcement,

3409
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:21,040
Dudley Charlton special election,

3410
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:23,679
September 29th, 2026,

3411
02:09:23,679 --> 02:09:26,079
>> 12:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. 8:00 p.m. Note

3412
02:09:26,079 --> 02:09:28,800
that different times, 12 to 8 at

3413
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:30,560
Heritage School. Next regular meeting of

3414
02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:32,960
the select board will be October 13th,

3415
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:34,480
2026,

3416
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:37,280
6:30 p.m. right here. And the special

3417
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:40,159
town meeting is October 19th at 7 p.m.

3418
02:09:40,159 --> 02:09:42,400
Charlton Middle School. And I would

3419
02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:44,400
accept a motion to adjurnn.

3420
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:45,679
>> Motion to adjurnn.

3421
02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:46,400
>> Second.

3422
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:47,280
>> All in favor?

3423
02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:50,159
>> I.