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This is two o'clock, and I'm going to call the May 18th Work Session for the Chairman County Board of

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Commissioners to order.

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First, on the agenda, do we have any additions to lesions or corrections

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to the Work Session agenda?

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Yes, no, no, no, no, no. There are a couple things I wanted to raise. The primary one is that as we

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get started, I want to make sure we all have the opportunity to deeply commit it to the way and

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phase that we are implementing our procedures and other norms that we've got in place for

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ourselves. So I want to return to a question of putting an item on the agenda to do a quick

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overview of our updated procedures that will be led by the attorney.

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All right. Thank you, Commissioner Delaney. Is there a second for the commissioners motion?

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Do we not have that support from the chair and or the vice?

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I don't hear any support.

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Commissioner Delaney.

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Okay.

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The number of concerns about that.

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I want to make sure we have an opportunity to put it on and talk through those things,

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so we don't have to have other conversations.

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I will make a motion to approve the.

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I have a second plan before we.

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If there is no interest in having that.

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My concern is that we're in a position where we have a number of known problems including possible violations of law that have to be discussed in public.

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So if we're not able to have that conversation, we may have to think about some other action.

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So, I'll ask members to consider that as we think about shaping the agenda.

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The second one is to ask that we come back to this idea, the topic of my impending vacancy.

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So either at the last meeting or a previous meeting, I had made a motion to add this to the agenda

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because it was already under discussion in the public.

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And my understanding is that back in April, when there was a discussion, including a form of this board,

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with the Chatey Chanukuni Dems, we put ourselves in a tough position of not addressing it

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here in this public forum, which was noticed. So I want to give us an opportunity to have

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a brief discussion of that and revisit those key points, particularly the report that this

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chair support a particular candidate for that vacancy at the time, minor studies that we have to

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do that only in public too. So I want to make sure we have a chance to do that.

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And can you formalize that in a motion that's what you're doing here to add something to the agenda?

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Sure, the topic, the agenda topic would be to discuss the steps and processes in timeline to fill the vacancy created when I resigned from the board.

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Is that a motion?

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Madam Chair, I'm proposing that as an agenda item to you.

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Okay. Is there a second to add that discussion to the agenda?

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I believe that one has failed.

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Commissioner Clinton.

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Yeah. Okay. I mean, my concerns there are that if we as a board are not able to have those conversations

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or get our attorneys to be able to bring those topics in the conversation with us,

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then we're putting ourselves at some serious risk.

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that we have the ability to undo and we should take the opportunity to do, especially by the chair.

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Well, I'd definitely be interested in that once we have a resignation letter and it's an actual process that's happening.

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And actually when I ran, I filled a seat of someone who had resigned early, so I've seen this process happen.

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And there was no discussion prematurely to a resignation letter, so just so you know for your information, I definitely support that discussion once that process is in play.

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Because it's not an immediate process.

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I don't care if you mean my understanding is not clear.

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The motion did fail for one of the second and I feel is that we are heading into discussion and I'm concerned about that.

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So in the absence of support for that, I want to ask our attorney to have a discussion here about how we can address this, whether as an agenda item that we had or find another appropriate procedural way to make sure that we have the conversation and understand what the legal and other issues may be on those topics.

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I don't know that it has to be a separate agenda item, but if we can bring the attorney into conversation, we can certainly do that now.

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I don't see that as an agenda item or relating to approving and adopting this afternoon's agenda, however, so I'd like to get through that.

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Well let me else get to the point.

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And I did second approving the agenda.

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I was trapped.

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Let me else get to the point.

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My concern is that we have, and we know we have likely violated the open meetings law in a couple of different ways recently,

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and that we've had significant difficulty in this forum implementing our procedures.

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Point of order, Commissioner Delaney. This is not a factual statement, and this was already

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confirmed with the county attorney that this did not violate open meetings law. Do you have an

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agenda item? You would like to put on the agenda today. If not, we have a motion and a second.

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Madam Chair, and we have had quite a bit of discussion so far.

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Madam Chair, what I've received here is a significant bias against me and perhaps to protect your own interest and perspective,

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which I am deeply concerned about.

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So I think this issue in the set of issues has to be turned over to someone other than you to be a neutral administrator of the discussion.

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Whether that's our voice chair or the attorney or someone else that is absolutely an essential part of having an ineffective public meeting.

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Madam Chair, you could call the question.

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Thank you, I think we're all in support.

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The calling favor of adopting tonight's agenda as written.

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Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

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No. Okay.

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And I need to call on the attorney to be what we can

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Convert these points in the conversation.

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Because what I perceive is that we have a significant number of problems

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related to carrying out our responsibility, which is our equally

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our individual responsibilities, to follow established procedures,

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to make sure that we are not venturing outside of those procedures, and to make sure that

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we have a chair and a vice chair team who will do that at all times.

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So, I'm actually relating.

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I'm not.

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You're out of order, and I already told you this has been up for discussion with the

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attorney who said that this was not an issue that violated open meetings law, and I would

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like to carry on with the agenda of today's meeting.

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I'm going to have to do a check formally and strongly to your one failure to reduce yourself

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from leading this conversation, because you were biased and not objective, and too, it's

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now important that we bring the attorney directly in the conversation and understand what

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you have been told about this, because our ward has not had a conversation about that set

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of issues.

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So, I'd like to call on the attorney to address this topic with us.

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Chair Robertson, I think that the rest of the ward is fully comfortable and confident in

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your ability to continue moving ahead with this agenda.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Excuse me.

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I've called on the county attorney for input on a legal topic that is germane to all of us and

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certainly to the conduct of the rest of this meeting.

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We need input from the county attorney.

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Emily, so under rule three to add an item to an agenda, you have to have two votes to

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add it to this agenda and a second to add it to a future agenda.

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Yeah, I'm not raising that question.

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I'm raising the question about what has been put in the public record that the county attorney

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has advised some members of the board that there has been new violation of the open meetings

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law with some recent activity. That is something that I have not heard in a public forum,

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that has ever been discussed in a public forum, but this issue was absolutely discussed in

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a role with a majority of this board present with an outside body. So we need to understand that

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and be able to address that set of issues.

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Commissioner Delaney, that is not true, and it is off topic from what we are discussing right now.

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we have approved the agenda and the first item on the agenda is a special presentation and

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I will read the following statement.

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I'm sorry.

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We have, I'm sure, I cannot accept that that is the outcome of this set of issues.

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I'm just saying if you are out of order, you are out of order.

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I was disrupting.

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I am raising a different issue and saying, not to add an agenda item, but that we need to clarify the discussion purposes of what was just stated as a fact by you.

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As a matter of fact, you are attempting to add an agenda item through a back door that is not open to you.

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And the rest of the board may proceed with the actions of the board.

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I'm going to raise the point of order as I've done in previous meeting.

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What is your point of order, Commissioner?

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The point of order?

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The point of order?

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Who is the point of order?

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Who is the point of order?

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Who is the point of order?

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What is happening?

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I think Commissioner Delaney, you believe you are running this meeting and you are not.

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You are out of order.

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I told you several times, you are out of order.

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We are discussing the agenda, we have moved on with the agenda, and now we are moving

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on.

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Madam Chair,

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this is not a question of whether we have moved on.

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What are the options available when a commissioner becomes belligerent and interrupted in a meeting when you're trying to hold a public meeting?

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Could the attorney come forward so we can all see and engage in the conversation directly?

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Now she has a speaker where she is.

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I'm speaking to the chair.

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don't believe we have anything specific in our rules that address that,

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but, I mean, certainly the chair could, again, tell the commissioner that he is out of order and if he continues to interrupt, escalate in terms of what the appropriate action is.

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I believe that's what I'm asking for. What is the appropriate action?

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I mean, that's what I'm wondering. Can we physically have him removed? And I don't know if that is acceptable.

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I'd like to know who is here on behalf of the Race Amity Day Resolution.

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Is there anyone present today for that particular resolution?

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Madam Chair, I raised a point of order earlier.

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You asked what it was about.

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And the answer is that when you was the chair running the meeting,

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know whether a commissioner should be interjecting and stepping on and directing the meeting.

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And that has happened on the immerse occasions here.

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I appreciate you responding to my request in the moment, but you missed the chance.

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And you're just waiting in here to try and be disruptive to this meeting.

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I've called you to order several times, and you're not responsive to that.

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And quite frankly, I think you're really getting in the way of the function of this meeting,

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and annoying the rest of the commissioners who just want to do their job,

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not disrupt the business of the county, but they want to do the business of the county.

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I think the options you presented have failed my lack of support we do need to keep moving forward.

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Yeah, I hear the interest.

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My concern is that the point I am raising is demonstrated.

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There's actually no way by these points that this is not being conducted in an appropriate way.

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I have lost confidence and the chairs are going to do that.

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And I think if we can move forward, we can move you out.

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I'm calling as a point of order, Mr. Vice-Chairman.

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I'm calling as a point of order for us to take appropriate action regarding the

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chair's behavior for not following procedure today or in the past conduct of those meetings.

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And in other circumstances, this is a question.

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I'm Mr. Delaney. I respond to you are called order.

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And I disagree and rule against it if another commissioner would like to counter that or disagree with my ruling, they have a right to do that.

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So the question I have for the chair or for the attorney is that since the performance of a chair is and can only be a matter of public discussion,

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And when and how is that proper to raise in various ways that award meeting?

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Is it only through an agenda item or is it in some other way?

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Which I understand, be the case.

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We have had a motion and a second to approve the agenda.

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We have had several motions from you and no second, they have failed.

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So I think that it would only come if you had not failed in your motion.

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And I'm still waiting on our county attorney to find out if there are things that can be done to remove the disruption of our meeting.

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I believe that if you leave Commissioner Delaney is interrupting the meeting that you can have him removed.

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I don't, if that, if it continues.

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Thank you.

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I think that's extraordinary.

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I'd like to hear the legal basis for that.

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They don't think that's appropriate at all.

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especially because I've asked questions of our attorney that are related to legal issues about how we address a chair's performance.

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I would like for you to stop disrupting the meeting and if you cannot stop disrupting the meeting commissioner, I will have you removed.

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That means

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All right. So again, we have several resolutions to read and approve after which we will pause to take photos of any of the

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groups and organizations that are present. The first one is about to approve and present a resolution

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recognizing June 13, 2016 as Race Amity Day in Chattam County and I will read the

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Resolution. Resolution of the Chattam County Board of Commissioners recognizing

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Race Amity Day or as Chattam County embraces the diversity of its residents and

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supports the United States motto e-plurabasunum out of many one and whereas the

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people of Chattam County from many racial and ethnic backgrounds are the

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counties greatest asset, and whereas friendship, respect, and kindness are ideals that bind

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together all communities in the state of North Carolina, and whereas the race amity movement

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encourages counties and cities to join together to celebrate interracial friendship and

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promote understanding on race amity day, and whereas observing race amity day provides an

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opportunity for residents to reflect on shared values, strength and relationships, and

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fostered unity across diverse backgrounds.

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And now, therefore, be it resolved

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that the Chattam County Board of Commissioners

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hereby recognize race, amity day on June 13th,

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2026 in Chattam County and urge all residents

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to observe the day by celebrating unity,

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friendship, and understanding throughout our diverse community.

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Adopted this 18th day of May, 2026,

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I make a motion that we adopt the resolution as there a second.

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So move. All in favor? All opposed? All right, the motion carries. Thank you.

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Next is item 2600263 about it to approve and present a resolution recognizing Juneteenth as an official holiday and honoring its historic significance and Commissioner Howard will be reading this one.

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Whereas, June 10th observed annually on June 19th commemorates the day in 1865 when enslaved

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African-Americans in Galveston, Texas, learned of their emancipation more than two years

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after the signing of the emancipation proclamation.

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And whereas, June 10th represents an important moment in the history of the United States,

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and serves as a day of reflection on the legacy of slavery, the enduring struggle for freedom

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and equality, and the continued pursuit of justice for all people.

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And whereas Juneteenth is recognized as a federal holiday and is observed across the nation

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through education, community engagement, and remembrance of African American history, culture,

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and contributions.

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And whereas Chatham County is committed to fostering a community that values diversity, equity,

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inclusion, and mutual respect, and to acknowledging historical events that have shaped our nation

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and our local communities.

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And we're as recognizing Juneteenth encourages

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opportunities for learning, dialogue, and reflection,

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while honoring the resilience, achievements,

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and contributions of African Americans

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to Chattam County, North Carolina, and the United States.

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Now, they are four be at resolve

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that the Chattam County Board of Commissioners

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does hereby recognize Juneteenth as Juneteenth in Chattam County.

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And encourages residents to observe this day

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activities that promote education, reflection, and community understanding.

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And the further resolved that the Board of Commissioners affirms its commitment to equality,

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inclusion, and respect for all residents, and acknowledges the importance of continuing efforts

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to ensure fairness and opportunity throughout Tadam County, adopted this 18th May

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of May 2026.

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Thank you, the motion passes.

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Next, we have Item 260265 about to approve a resolution recognizing Pride Month, and

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Commissioner Kevin will be reading this one.

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Resolution of the Chattam County Board of Commissioners, recognizing June is Pride Month

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and Chatham County, whereas Pride Month is observed annually in June to recognize and celebrate

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the history, contributions, and resilience of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer,

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and other individuals who identify within the LGBTQ plus community.

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And whereas the origins of Pride Month trace back to the Stonewall uprising of June 1969,

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a pivotal moment in the ongoing movement for civil rights, dignity, and equality for the

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LGBT, Q plus individuals.

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Whereas Pride Month provides an opportunity to reflect on the progress that has been made

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towards equality, while acknowledging that efforts to ensure fairness, understanding, and

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respect for all people remain ongoing.

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Whereas residents of Chatham County who identify as LGBTQ plus contribute to the cultural,

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social, civic, and economic vitality of the community strengthening the county as a whole.

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And whereas the Chatham County Board of Commissioners are committed to fostering a community

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where all residents are treated with dignity, respect, and where diversity and inclusion are valued

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as strengths. And now, therefore, be it resolved that the Chattam County Board of Commissioners

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does here by recognized June as Pride Month in Chattam County and encourages residents

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to observe the month through reflection, education, and activities that promote understanding

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and mutual respect. Be it further resolved that the Board of Commissioners'

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reaffirms its commitment to an inclusive and welcoming Chattam County were all individuals

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will still valued and supported adopted this the 18th day of May 2026.

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Is there a motion to adopt some moved?

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Second.

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All in favor?

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All right.

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All right.

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The motion carries.

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Thank you.

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Very much.

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All right.

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So now we're going to have a 15 minute recess to take any photos for the resolutions.

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Whoever is here.

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Do have folks in attendance for any of these resolutions?

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I don't think there are any.

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But for Tara, if you all would take a picture, and then she, that way she can use it when she does some releases.

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Good. Sounds good. Awesome.

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It's but I figure we can keep going through this agenda.

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All right. Next up on our agenda is public comment. Do we have anybody signed up for public comment?

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We have to read. I'm sorry.

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We have three individuals.

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Three, great.

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Okay, so I will read the following statement for those who are signed up.

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We want to remind speakers that they will have three minutes to speak.

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The green light illuminates for the first two minutes.

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The yellow light illuminates along with one beep to let the speaker know they still have one minute left.

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The red light illuminates along with three beeps when the three minutes have expired.

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If possible, it is appreciated if speakers can provide a copy of their comments

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to the clerk in writing and please speak directly into the mic at the podium up there and the clerk is sitting right over there, who's up first, Jennifer.

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I'm John Alderman.

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Thank you, John.

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John, if you can, the mic is right there towards the front.

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The button on the top closes to you.

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There you go.

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Thank you.

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It's already?

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We're all citizens, including our farm families, have been told in the past that zoning

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helps protect our properties and our rights.

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We please use your zoning authorities to protect our farms and rural citizens from the

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intrusion of a 28 mile industrial gas pipeline across our properties.

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The purpose of zoning is to ensure that land uses are reviewed consistently, fairly, and in a manner compatible with surrounding properties and adopted land use policies.

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Traditional spot zoning concerns arise when a small part will receive special treatment that is inconsistent with surrounding zoning classifications and land uses.

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In this case, with an industrial pipeline, the concerns effectively, the reverse, a major industrial

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utility corridor would be treated as if it is exempt from meaningful zoning review altogether.

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Despite crossing agriculture all one lands, bona fide farms, forestry properties, and present

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use value agricultural and forestry lands, otherwise subject to ordinary zoning requirements.

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If a typical farmer, example, were to put an industrial site on his farm, he'd have to go through zoning.

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But not so, with supposedly, with a high pressure gas pipeline.

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So, you need to be consistent.

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Failure to conduct such a review creates arbitrary and unequal application of zoning principles and undermines the integrity of the county's land use framework.

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This issue does not concern pipeline safety regulation, which is addressed through state and federal agencies.

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Rather, it concerns the county's independent responsibility to evaluate land use, compatibility, zoning consistency,

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and the appropriateness of industrial scale utility infrastructure within rural agricultural zoning districts.

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I will remind you of relevant North Carolina case law.

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I'm not going to read this part because I only have 50 seconds.

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Olderman versus Chad and Cady.

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I was a young man when that occurred, read it.

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Tant of Apex versus Ruben, read it.

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Local governments are responsible.

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They need to protect the citizens' rights.

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Finally, Rutherford Electric membership corporation

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versus 130 of Chattam, LLC, 10 Swinney Land in Rutherford County.

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He won.

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He needs to read that, too.

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You guys have responsibilities.

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Please help your farmers.

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Together, these North Carolina cases support the principle

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that local government must apply zoning and land use

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review consistently, especially when industrial scale infrastructure

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affects protected rural agriculture and forced relans, five seconds.

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Refusing even to evaluate zoning compatibility for a 28-mile industrial gas pipeline corridor raises serious concerns regarding equal treatment, consistency, and the proper administration of local land use authority, and beware.

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Other things can happen such as compressor stations in such an area. That's critical.

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So, this is big and it involves a huge number of landowners in chat.

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Thank you very much.

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Mr. Alderman.

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Thank you for sharing that tonight.

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Would you like to get a copy of that to Jennifer, our clerks,

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so she can share it with Jason Sullivan.

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She can make sure she's good.

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I've already given that.

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I have it.

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I'll share it.

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I'll share it.

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I'll share it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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And if people would like to talk with me in the future about this, feel free.

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I know what a fine-to-map of the way you're having to do with all of this.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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Jennifer, who do we have up next?

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Timothy Eckert is next.

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Thank you.

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Good afternoon.

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Thank you all for serving.

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I appreciate your civic mind in this and taking these positions.

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As a quick preamble, the one I'm going to read, I just want to share that I'm here during

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work day on PTO to share this with you because of child care issues. I know you've heard a lot

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about the issues that I'm going to speak to. Last meeting, probably this evening as well,

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but I don't know what you know that for those of us with child care needs, it's hard to get out here,

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so I just wanted to come and represent the views of several of my neighbors as well as my own family

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and these issues. First, I wanted to thank you all for agreeing to research a potential golf cart

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ordinance. I am a resident of Breyer Chapel and appreciate that

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mode of transportation. I'm unaware of any safety or traffic

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congestion issues as long as they're handled by a licensed driver and

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appreciate you all being able to explore the potential for residential

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areas to be able to use golf carts. More pressing, I wanted to

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speak to you regarding the Feringon Preserve proposed

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development. My family and I live near the portion of Breyer

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to tackle that borders that parcel of plans.

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So certainly I'm biased and I have to stake in all of this.

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But I have serious concerns about the potential

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for the zoning change.

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I understand the implications of a zoning change very well.

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I was the chair of the planning board

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for an under-menu-sipality North Carolina

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before moving here in 2024.

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So I understand what the implications are.

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And I just feel really strongly that zoning is something

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that was given to us by our forebearers

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to make sure that we're managing our growth

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and our land use and our sustainability.

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ability and we'll just say

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I encourage you all to have a very high threshold for considering any change, disowning, particularly

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comes to high-density communities, because there is quite an impact that comes along with

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that.

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It's my understanding, though my spouse attended the last meeting, because of the child care we have

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sort of hospitals, but that's a developer is potentially proposing that briar chap, one of their

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areas, can absorb some of the commercial and other needs of this community, if it were to

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be built, and I can assure you that that won't work. The pool, the other recreational things

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commercial, they're already super saturated as it is now. I just wanted to state that I'm

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not an envy. I think that we need to make sure that we have affordable housing in the area,

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but I would just say in my experience on a planning board, developers looking to increase the density

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to increase their ROI on their developments, tend to use that as an argument praying on civic

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minded people like yourself because they know that you care about your communities and that's oftentimes

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an argument used in my experience to try to increase the density of a development, to increase

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the return on their investment.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And next, is Theresa Wheat.

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So I had a whole thing here to say, but John covered every point that I had.

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I was one of the people that got the letter from Enbridge, and that was what my concern was

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about, and he did cover everything.

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So I won't take up any more of your time.

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I appreciate all of you serving and I hope that you can look out for the people that

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elected to.

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It matters that you came out.

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Thank you for coming out to speak with us and taking your time.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate that.

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Is that it?

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you very much.

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All righty.

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Next up, we have board priorities.

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we will receive item 206262 annual Community Child Protection Team, CCPT Child Fatality, Prevention

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Team, Presentation, and our Health Director Mike Zellick, and Social Services Director

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Jenny Richardson will present this item.

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Thank you for coming today.

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Thank you for having us.

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This is our annual presentation.

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We'll get this up here for this is for the Child Fatality Prevention team.

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So this is the structure in the state, you have the state office, which started last year.

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They kind of coordinate the whole system.

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Then you have a local team within each jurisdiction county, which is what we represent.

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That reviews child fatalities in that jurisdiction.

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Then you have a national system that took off actually January this year.

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So to brand new system, an online system that will help aggregate the data, which is exciting.

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I think we were the last state in the country to do it.

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So here we are, so we're getting used to that new system.

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And then we review all cases, particularly those that are preventable,

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but highlighted the escalated cases, escalated reviews,

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which are for fatalities with prior CPS involvement.

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So as I said, our local team reviews active child welfare cases

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to determine gaps or deficiencies and resources.

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This is optional, but we've decided to keep doing it because we saw the value here in Chattam County.

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We review child fatalities, all children under 18, and look at strategies to prevent fatalities.

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With these changes last year, we really prioritized those that are preventable.

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As I said, something could be done about them.

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Examine policies and procedures at the state level, local level, so we can make recommendations to the state level.

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we can also do things at the local level to hopefully address these gaps or issues.

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And then we get an increase, but small amount of money from the state each year, $1,200

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is about what we get in Chattam County.

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So it's enough for meals for two of the four meetings and we invest the rest in over the

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last couple of years of invested the rest in car seats for our passenger safety program.

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So it's not a ton, but it's helpful every little bit helps in addition to the support

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the commissioners gave this year, this helped us really work through the weight list we had

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in terms of families in the native car seats, which is very important.

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So these are mandated members as you can see Jenny and I co-chair the local team and then

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we have a number of mandated members each represents a specific position within our team.

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And then we have some ad hoc members as well, so you see that.

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So it's our team. We get really strong attendance, very engaged group. We're very fortunate to

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it. We have a range of expertise, which is super helpful as we weigh not only the child

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of fatalities, but also the active CPS cases. And with that, I'll turn it over to Jim.

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So as Mike mentioned, we've elected to continue to review child welfare cases.

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I think it gives us the opportunity to really talk through the challenges that families are facing

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in our community oftentimes they're very complex and really difficult for them to overcome.

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Anyone on our team can recommend a family to be reviewed. Often our social worker at DSS

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is looking for some feedback and direction or any kind of recommendations from the team.

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00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:49,710
It's nice to have the opportunity to present in front of a group of community leaders who

457
00:35:49,710 --> 00:35:56,110
understand what's going on and can maybe offer suggestions. We also look for, as Mike said,

458
00:35:56,590 --> 00:36:02,870
gaps and ways that we can recommend to make things better. Just to give context to this,

459
00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:09,370
I'm going to talk a little bit more about the reviews, but we, this past year, accepted about

460
00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:18,380
300 reports of abuse in neglect, so we reviewed eight families, so it's definitely not

461
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:25,240
representative of our entire child welfare population, but it does give an idea.

462
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,320
I think for, you know, we come every year and we're often talking about the same,

463
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:36,380
the same challenges, so we talk to, we reviewed eight families this year involving 11 children,

464
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,440
and all of the families re-reviewed. Children were in custody of the Department of Social Services.

465
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,760
7, and 7 of those families, children were either placed with kin or with a parent and

466
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,100
like an inpatient substance use treatment program, and then we had one child who's placed

467
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:56,920
in a residential placement for behavioral health treatment.

468
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:04,080
The barriers that we saw in our reviews were lack of engagement with substance use disorder

469
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:10,440
and mental health treatment, availability of services and educational support for children

470
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:18,960
who have IDD diagnoses exposure to domestic violence need for dental care and when we're

471
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,460
looking at child needs we're also looking at parent needs and often there's overlap

472
00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:28,500
between the two. We also took a look at how we talk about housing and in our reviews

473
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:34,020
two of the families had stable housing two of the families had unstable housing three were

474
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:38,980
in a residential treatment program like I mentioned before and then one family had housing

475
00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:45,940
support from a family member. And then in seven of the families reviewed, there was some sort of

476
00:37:45,940 --> 00:37:54,960
justice involvement, including charges related to drug use or possession of firearms, and also

477
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:01,200
child abuse charges. So, Jenny, before you leave that screen. So, when you say there were three

478
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:09,100
in residential treatment, do you look at whether they had stable housing to return to after

479
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:15,280
that or did not, like, I didn't look at that and we didn't talk about it a lot to be honest

480
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,740
when I was going back and looking through our notes. Some of these treatment programs are

481
00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:25,600
longer term so parents can stay in there for 18 months. So it felt, I think there's value obviously

482
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,880
always in talking about it and something we can do better in the future. I think we were looking

483
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,580
more of like snapshot in time, this family stable and doing everything that they can do right

484
00:38:35,580 --> 00:38:43,040
now. The other advantage of the inpatient programs is they offer so much support. This is

485
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:49,840
typically moms. As they discharge and so there is support in helping them find housing as a part

486
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:55,740
of that planning and so that's another plus to being in one of these programs. Thank

487
00:38:58,780 --> 00:39:02,900
you. Turn

488
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,540
have some opioid settlement funds going towards housing supports through

489
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:11,640
reneed esteem, so not speaking specific to those individuals, but there are some.

490
00:39:11,660 --> 00:39:17,000
There's a recognition of the social determinants that affect many of these individuals

491
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,140
and supporting them on their recovery journey.

492
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,780
So we had 10 child fatality reviews in last calendar year 2025, which is pretty consistent

493
00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:28,260
with previous years.

494
00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:32,440
As a reminder, our reviews take place, at least a year after the death, of those

495
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,260
10, 7 were determined to be unpreventable, so 3 is where we kind of focused our attention.

496
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,980
And obviously that's a small number, so we look at factors going back a few years.

497
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,780
And what we tend to see is topics of concern include traffic safety.

498
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,960
So we have a lot of rural two lane roads.

499
00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:49,500
I know we've talked about this in the past.

500
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:58,660
But traffic safety, as probably the leading cause of mortality among our youth, youth mental health,

501
00:39:58,660 --> 00:40:04,920
a certain safe storage, including a firearms or medications, as well as this come up in our discussions.

502
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,820
And Mike, when you say there were a few places, so you went back and looked to you mean,

503
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,040
you went back and looked over time, or you just looked.

504
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:20,580
So looking kind of over the years, we have cases where we last year, we look at the previous year,

505
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:26,900
and kind of go back, let's say the last five years or so, to see kind of what causes of death

506
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:37,500
we see recur, and I'd say traffic safety is the number one of those, and mental health

507
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:43,000
is certainly come up as well, safe sleep often comes up too, but I think over the last

508
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:49,820
let's say three years or so, car accidents would be by far the number one, set, two

509
00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:50,560
with you.

510
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,360
Just to add one thing, I think one of the advantages of participating in the statewide data

511
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:55,840
system.

512
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,400
We'll also now, I mean, it's going to take a little while to have enough data in there

513
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:05,940
to be able to look at, but we'll be able to compare, because our thankfully, our numbers

514
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:10,940
are low, so it's hard to know if there are trends, and to be able to compare across counties,

515
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,220
I think we'll be really valuable in understanding, in contributing factors.

516
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:24,420
Just to clarify then, we are looking at babies all the way up to 18 or 17 rather, as far

517
00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:29,820
the age groups and assuming then you've got this sort of by age where they tend to fall

518
00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:38,100
the most over time and then do we compare our stats to similar size counties or populations

519
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:41,280
and see where those fall and you guys are able to do that right.

520
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,840
Great question. So I think as Jenny mentioned with the new system we're going to be able to do

521
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:50,400
a better job of what you just asked about. So I don't know that we've done a great job of it so far

522
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,560
by part of North Carolina now being the last state on this system as we will have an ability

523
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,940
to aggregate the data across jurisdictions and across years to see that matter.

524
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:05,080
Fortunately, we don't have the numbers to be able to sort of statistically figure out if we're

525
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,340
out of whack, which is a really good thing I guess, but still nice to know.

526
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,340
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

527
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:10,880
Where we can.

528
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,600
Usually, when we look at numbers like this in public health, we look at five year trends

529
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,780
as kind of the benchmark because you can imagine even within one year, you could have

530
00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:24,000
a traffic related fat fatality may affect multiple children.

531
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,760
So, but yes, we're looking at zero to 18.

532
00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:32,980
We look at issues, birth defects, things like that.

533
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,140
Oftentimes, are considered unpreventable,

534
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,620
but we have the medical records.

535
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,800
So, we're able to go in and see if there are factors.

536
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,020
We also have our medical examiner.

537
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,980
We have an MD who can go into epic or the electronic medical record system

538
00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:50,460
to get any records that apply.

539
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:54,020
We try not to make an assumption that it's

540
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:56,700
unproventable, even if on base value it may appear that way.

541
00:42:56,980 --> 00:42:58,700
True, but I mean, everything's like a statistic.

542
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,540
So if you have two children that died at the same location

543
00:43:01,540 --> 00:43:02,580
and what's wrong with the location,

544
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:07,360
it's something even though it's just two people.

545
00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:09,060
That may not be something you'd raise an eyebrow,

546
00:43:09,060 --> 00:43:12,460
but it's the same location that becomes something really problematic.

547
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:13,460
That's great.

548
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:17,120
Could we look at the speed limit?

549
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:17,600
Totally.

550
00:43:18,020 --> 00:43:18,960
Yeah, all kinds of things.

551
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:32,240
That's a great point. We should recruit you to the thing, because these are what we need to be thinking about and trying to determine what level of influence we can have on policies like that.

552
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:39,700
So some of our successes from last year, as I mentioned, traffic-related fatalities are concerned.

553
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:49,860
So, we prioritize our car seat safety program which there are several providers in the county that provide car seat safety checks.

554
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:57,900
The health department's one of them. I think last year we had close to 200 clients served in that. It's been very successful.

555
00:43:58,580 --> 00:44:06,180
Thanks to you all, we had some county dollars. I believe $5,000 that went towards purchasing car seats for families in need.

556
00:44:06,180 --> 00:44:15,860
We hate to thought that a child will leave a clinic or the hospital and not have a car seat to go home in that's a very big concern and we had a wait list

557
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:26,240
Previously on that program it got so long that we stopped being able to have it, but with the additional resources that you all have given with the funds we get from this and some other grant funds

558
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:27,380
We've been able to

559
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:29,360
pull in I'm happy to say we've really

560
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,040
been able to work through that wait list and

561
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:39,300
serve many clients in our community who really need these resources to protect their little ones.

562
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:47,280
We continue to focus efforts on addressing youth mental health and suicide, including a suicide prevention task force that was formed.

563
00:44:47,460 --> 00:44:57,160
The help department will look at this concern that's gotten grant funds to purchase gun locks, which I mentioned safe storage before.

564
00:44:58,060 --> 00:44:59,900
So that's a resource we'll be giving out through outreach.

565
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:07,760
And then we'll have a presentation soon about the opioid settlement funds, which is ongoing, work through the share prevention partnership for controlled substances.

566
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:15,720
But we have a number of strategies focused on early intervention funds getting out to nonprofits like communities and schools,

567
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:26,780
Elfuturo, among others, that are doing important community-based work to hopefully address youth who may be considered a higher risk of poor outcomes.

568
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:30,980
And as I mentioned earlier, we have a big team, but they're a very involved team.

569
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,500
We never have issues with quorum, we consistently get attendance of 80-90% which is really

570
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:37,300
good.

571
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,180
It's, of course, a heavy topic.

572
00:45:39,340 --> 00:45:43,740
It's an important one, but it's not always the most fun way to spend Friday afternoon, but

573
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:45,200
the team is very much engaged.

574
00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:49,680
We have active participation across the team, which is great.

575
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:56,660
I mentioned, like, we didn't have to keep doing the child, the CCPT side, the DSS side, active

576
00:45:56,660 --> 00:46:01,940
cases, but that was something our team decided to continue to do because we saw a value and

577
00:46:01,940 --> 00:46:06,380
I'm sure Janet could speak more to that, but that was a willingness of our team to say,

578
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,120
this is a space where we all come together, we want to do our work on the front end, and

579
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,380
if we have to the back end as well to hopefully prevent outcomes like this.

580
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:22,440
Talk about the last two successes, the first of which was the goal-live of our state-wide

581
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:30,000
Medicaid plan for children in foster care. Prior to this, the children received services based

582
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:37,240
on being associated with an LMEMCO. So if we had a child who was in DSS custody in

583
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,880
Chattam County and they went to live in a foster home or with a relative on the other,

584
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:44,920
you know, some other part of the state they may not have access to the same behavioral health

585
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,980
services in particular. So that went live on December 1st. Had a few bumps in the road,

586
00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:52,780
But overall, I think we're moving in the right direction.

587
00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:55,560
And then the second was that we were

588
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,120
approved as a developing child advocacy center

589
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,860
for a bud child advocacy centers in North Carolina,

590
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:04,040
which is kind of the accrediting agency for these.

591
00:47:09,340 --> 00:47:11,040
So what does that mean, Jenny, exactly?

592
00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:12,660
Child advocacy center?

593
00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:13,840
Yeah, what does that mean if you've gathered?

594
00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:15,120
This is a play.

595
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,520
This child advocacy centers in North Carolina

596
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,740
accredited CSU required to meet certain standards.

597
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,140
But in a nutshell, it's a place where children can go

598
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:27,260
after there have been allegations of abuse and neglect where they get in a valuation.

599
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,440
And so it provides a child friendly, trauma informed setting where kids tell their story once.

600
00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:40,780
It's a partnership between the Child Advocacy Center Department of Social Services and all of our law enforcement agencies

601
00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:44,760
so that we can have one place for this to happen in a way that's, yeah.

602
00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:52,140
And there are other services associated with that, and some of which we've had in place in Chattam County for a long time.

603
00:47:52,140 --> 00:48:00,080
we're formalizing pieces of it and then adding onto it. But requirement is to offer behavioral

604
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:07,240
health services to the family advocacy. There's a medical part of the interview and a medical

605
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:12,620
examination and then a child interview so that it's all very spelled out for what we.

606
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:15,600
So, did you just add that to the collection of things you're already doing?

607
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,380
Yes, because I got bored one day.

608
00:48:17,380 --> 00:48:19,280
because you have all this time pre-

609
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:19,840
I'm hearing it.

610
00:48:20,260 --> 00:48:26,060
This came about because you want these evaluations to happen very quickly so that kids are not waiting.

611
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:32,500
And we, for a million years, have used Beacon Clinic at UNC because of our proximity, we haven't had a CAC.

612
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,120
I think there's like 50 CACs in North Carolina.

613
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,400
And so our kids are waiting sometimes as long as them on Thursdays weeks, which is really hard and not what we wanted.

614
00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:45,700
So actually our Child Protective Services Social Work team came to

615
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:47,980
and said, hey, these kids are waiting too long.

616
00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:49,020
What can we do about it?

617
00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:51,540
And so that was really kind of the impetus for getting started.

618
00:48:51,860 --> 00:48:52,020
Okay.

619
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:52,460
Yeah.

620
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:53,960
Thank you.

621
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,060
And just FYI, there are grand opportunities available

622
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:00,480
through the Governor's Crime Commission for CACs.

623
00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:00,900
Yes.

624
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:02,040
Yes.

625
00:49:02,260 --> 00:49:03,100
This is on the radar.

626
00:49:03,580 --> 00:49:05,500
Unfortunately, the funding amounts have dropped.

627
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:06,760
Oh, and you're dealing with it.

628
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,340
But there is still funding available for sure.

629
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,420
So we will, yes, tap into that.

630
00:49:11,780 --> 00:49:14,360
So looking to our current year, opportunities

631
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,980
These recommendations, continuing with the Health Department

632
00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:19,260
seeing expansion of our community-based programming,

633
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,620
number of existing services like home visits,

634
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:22,900
outreach education.

635
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,760
I mentioned some of the resources like gun locks

636
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,360
that we can distribute throughout reach events,

637
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,400
and other things.

638
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,480
Also looking at partnership with emergency operations

639
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,940
to expand mobile health options through our clinic team.

640
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,160
We're looking to share the cost of a mobile unit with them

641
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,220
because they also need a mobile command center,

642
00:49:42,220 --> 00:49:45,220
which is a great opportunity for us to

643
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:47,580
co-tubers with one son, so to speak.

644
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,480
So that's likely down later in this calendar year

645
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,340
in the early next year, but some opportunities there.

646
00:49:55,340 --> 00:49:58,180
And I know we mentioned services for those

647
00:49:58,180 --> 00:49:59,900
with intellectual and developmental disabilities.

648
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:02,240
I wanted to highlight monarchs going to be opening

649
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,980
and activities based day program for adults

650
00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:07,300
with intellectual and developmental disabilities.

651
00:50:07,780 --> 00:50:10,020
Thanks in large part to your support with startup funds,

652
00:50:10,020 --> 00:50:15,800
which was a tremendous boost to get that off the ground and the expectation that itself

653
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,180
is sustaining, moving forward, which is great. So they have a location right just north

654
00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:26,640
the town and expect to go live. I believe next month, so this is really coming together

655
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:33,320
and they've already got, I think a couple of dozen applicants received in our currently receiving

656
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:39,620
more, so if you know anybody who could benefit, that's 18 and up, but we're seeing, you

657
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:44,180
start aging out of getting to adulthood and this could be a resource.

658
00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:49,500
The benefits them, compliments existing services like chat and trades on the Western side of the county.

659
00:50:49,660 --> 00:50:53,760
So I just wanted to take an opportunity to thank you all for your support of that into

660
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:59,000
highlight a positive update on it that it's nearing fruition.

661
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,500
And I think we're anticipating a ribbon cutting in like late July.

662
00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:27,350
Okay, last two, we went live, we were one of 11 pilot counties to go live in a new, the new new statewide child welfare information system and so that has been a busy time for us and but also exciting and that we will have access to information no matter where a child lives in North Carolina.

663
00:51:28,090 --> 00:51:35,930
So, we're, we're, our staff have been great and plug-in through all the health districts and figuring out how things work.

664
00:51:36,670 --> 00:51:45,390
So, and then finally, we're evaluating the feasibility of implementing a professional foster parenting program and partnership with a behavioral health nonprofit.

665
00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:56,050
And what this is is the foster family lives in a house and, like, they all do.

666
00:51:56,050 --> 00:52:02,850
I guess but it's a house provided by the behavioral health provider and so a whole family is served

667
00:52:02,850 --> 00:52:07,010
with that family so they kind of follow them through their course in foster care and it allows

668
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:12,590
a place for parents to come and work with that foster parent with a goal of increasing

669
00:52:12,590 --> 00:52:17,350
reunification rates with parents and so this is a model that's continuing to be studied

670
00:52:18,050 --> 00:52:23,010
but some preliminary research shows that it's 82 percent effective in achieving

671
00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:28,010
permanent C for kids and over half of those kids go home, which is huge.

672
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:30,450
Yeah, so we're excited about that too.

673
00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:34,730
Yes, any other questions for us?

674
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:38,280
I do have one.

675
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,020
So will this new data, statewide data system,

676
00:52:44,340 --> 00:52:51,980
will that help us be able to look back and see beyond incidentals?

677
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:53,520
So could we look back at families?

678
00:52:53,520 --> 00:53:03,680
Does it capture data in any way that we could track whether there is a family that is at risk

679
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:13,440
because of prior incidents or does it give us information that we can look back and

680
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:20,140
see that a family is actually there outcomes are getting better because of services like they

681
00:53:20,140 --> 00:53:24,840
have housing and we're not seeing, you know, truncy or delinquency or whatever,

682
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:32,480
the parents are not on drugs, not drinking or whatever, and we are seeing better outcomes.

683
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:37,760
Is there any way for us to use that data to track that sort of thing over time?

684
00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:44,860
I don't think it offers a way to look forward and, you know, when it went live was the

685
00:53:44,860 --> 00:53:52,900
date that all the counties in North Carolina started putting data in, so eventually I think you'll be able to look back.

686
00:53:53,560 --> 00:54:00,960
I'm not sure what it looks like for tracking individual kind of case level information but it does collect

687
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:08,920
a lot more information about potential contributing factors or like social determinants of health kinds of

688
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,300
data points that could help us see

689
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,740
our certain types of children more at risk

690
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:17,980
for a fatality

691
00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:23,080
than our certain experiences associated with certain outcomes.

692
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:28,140
And I think we have national data on this already

693
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:31,340
and I also think it will allow us

694
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:34,680
it's just different to be able to see it in your own county

695
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,860
and compare it to other counties in North Carolina.

696
00:54:36,860 --> 00:54:40,340
And that doesn't exactly answer your question out if you have anything you want to add.

697
00:54:40,540 --> 00:54:41,900
I think that was right.

698
00:54:42,820 --> 00:54:48,180
I think, you know, with the escalated reviews, we'll look at fatalities where there was

699
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:56,220
prior CPS involvement, so we'll do dig into that a little bit how much we can compare cross jurisdictions.

700
00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:58,040
I guess time will tell.

701
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:02,360
We'll have to see it depends on how much is entered into the system and I don't know how much detail

702
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,940
we'll be able to get from other counties.

703
00:55:03,940 --> 00:55:15,080
But I think part of our continuing to review active child welfare cases is getting at kind of what you're speaking to as we don't want to just review things on the back end.

704
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:16,140
What could we have done?

705
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,440
We want to be talking about what can we do now?

706
00:55:18,580 --> 00:55:22,320
Not just for this child or this family, but for those like that family.

707
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:32,580
And I think that leads to really important systems level conversations in addition to the individual level conversations about what gaps are we seeing?

708
00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:39,500
And example that comes to mind for me is we had over the past few years we've had a couple

709
00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:45,780
we've reviewed a couple of fatalities where there was an issue with safe sleep and children were

710
00:55:45,780 --> 00:55:51,240
being cared for not bad parent but like another caretaker like a relative and so we had this

711
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:58,520
conversation about safe sleep messaging because a lot of it's targeted towards parents and in this

712
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:05,600
There's lots of grandparents, aunts, uncles, siblings, cousins who take care of babies and making sure, like,

713
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,440
talking about how we could broaden our message to reach those audiences.

714
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,800
That's just one example that comes to mind.

715
00:56:14,780 --> 00:56:19,860
And I feel like it would be helpful for us when we're thinking about how our investment,

716
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,860
particularly when we're looking at issues of poverty and access and mental health, et cetera.

717
00:56:24,860 --> 00:56:28,240
Where does our investment have the highest impact, right?

718
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:35,480
So, if doing all of the other things doesn't help if housing is still insecure, that's important for us to know.

719
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:43,240
If, you know, the mental health continues to be a persistent problem when other things have been corrected for,

720
00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:47,680
I think that should help inform how we invest and when we're talking county dollars.

721
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:57,540
So, there's a fatality review model called femur, and I think it's not going to get the acronym right.

722
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:09,100
But it's specifically for infants who like perinatal child fatalities, and it really is a much more intensive review that looks at it.

723
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:12,460
It doesn't involve interviews of family members or anything like that.

724
00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:19,480
It's a much more structured broad review of the challenges

725
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,580
that a family is facing, and what could potentially be done.

726
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,880
And there's a few counties in North Carolina that are doing this,

727
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,300
but it's really pretty small.

728
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,620
It's been something that the stage hall fatality task force

729
00:57:32,620 --> 00:57:34,300
has looked at several times over the years.

730
00:57:34,380 --> 00:57:39,620
But I do think it's an interesting way to take a more holistic review,

731
00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:45,180
particularly at perinatal fatalities or instant fatalities, sorry.

732
00:57:45,380 --> 00:57:46,220
It's a great place.

733
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,080
Are there any other questions?

734
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,840
Thank you, thank you.

735
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,480
You guys, this is wonderful.

736
00:57:54,940 --> 00:57:57,900
It's a hard topic, but I'm deeply grateful that you are here

737
00:57:57,900 --> 00:57:59,220
and you're with us here in Cham County.

738
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:01,920
And thank you for all your hard work and your team as well.

739
00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:02,460
Thank you.

740
00:58:02,940 --> 00:58:03,240
Thank you.

741
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,360
Thank you for all your support.

742
00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:06,740
All right.

743
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,660
Next couple of items, I have Mr. Brent Hart on DAC.

744
00:58:11,660 --> 00:58:17,820
Item 2600185, receiving update on the Chattam County Minority Entrepreneur and Small Business

745
00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:23,860
needs assessment and peer county's Small Business Association research.

746
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:53,240
Good afternoon, commissioners, I hope you're doing well, you'll have me for the next couple

747
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,720
of presentations so you'll be used to my voice.

748
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:03,140
So just wanted to start off for the Small Business presentation we have today.

749
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:09,980
There's two critical pieces, well three, but two for updates and those sorts of things.

750
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:19,620
So staff receives direction for both of these items to come to you all, give an overview of them.

751
00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:22,020
And just so you can see where we are.

752
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,200
So the first is the minority small business needs assessment.

753
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:33,960
this was presented to the board in 2021 and was commissioned by the Kenan Institute Private

754
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:40,780
Enterprise and I'll have five other five recommendations within the report and I'll go over

755
00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:47,400
each of those recommendations and then we also receive direction a couple of months ago for

756
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:54,260
the first small business research to see what small businesses, how small businesses are assisted

757
00:59:54,260 --> 00:59:59,900
throughout the state what different counties are doing, regards to that, and a little bit more.

758
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:23,380
Permission there. Did want to note that Sydney Chief, the intern in the manager's office, was going to be here to present that research. I'm going to do his work done. Do some justice to that. Hopefully we'll see he wasn't able to be here to do some family matters. So just wanted to point out that the second piece of this presentation is not buying.

759
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:33,400
So to get started, like I mentioned, we'll go over the minority entrepreneur and small business needs assessment update,

760
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:41,180
and then then the peer community, small business research, and you can see there, some of those items.

761
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:46,520
Do you want to know if you all will wait for your questions toward the end of the presentation,

762
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:53,840
There's at the end, there will be a staff recommendation in regard to this, so just wanted to give a heads up there.

763
01:00:54,200 --> 01:01:01,700
You may have some questions, but it might be best because you all might, that recommendation might meet those asks.

764
01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:06,000
So feel free to ask any questions, just put in that out there.

765
01:01:06,860 --> 01:01:13,780
So to start off, I already kind of went over it generally, but the go over one more time.

766
01:01:13,780 --> 01:01:18,960
the minority entrepreneur and small business needs assessment was presented to this board

767
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:26,220
in 2021, a contracted in 2019, and it was done by the Keenan Institute of Private Enterprise

768
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:27,340
at UNC.

769
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:36,160
So there were five recommendations in this report, went over some of those different data needs

770
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:41,340
on how minority entrepreneurs and their small businesses are doing throughout the community,

771
01:01:41,340 --> 01:01:50,620
And those five recommendations were in regard to helping continue growth in that area.

772
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:58,400
So just to go through the recommendations, the first was to embrace a place-based approach

773
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,140
to building an inclusive entrepreneurial and small business ecosystem.

774
01:02:02,620 --> 01:02:07,360
Each of these recommendations has a fairly long section with below them.

775
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,040
I wasn't able to fit them on the slides,

776
01:02:09,460 --> 01:02:13,660
but a lot of this was in regard to Chattam County being a convener

777
01:02:13,660 --> 01:02:18,540
and working toward working with minority entrepreneurs

778
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,680
and those small businesses to continue growth.

779
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,300
And so we wanted to highlight a couple of things

780
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:28,840
that Chattam County has done since this time.

781
01:02:28,940 --> 01:02:32,220
We work primarily through our partners through this work

782
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:35,320
and that's through our annual nonprofit allocations

783
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,740
and then subsequent funding that goes to them

784
01:02:38,740 --> 01:02:40,720
and then also in just general partnerships

785
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:41,840
with the organizations.

786
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,580
So the first is web squared.

787
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,800
They receive funding in the Human Service

788
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,060
nonprofit grant process and work with minority

789
01:02:51,060 --> 01:02:52,060
and sponge from yours.

790
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,280
We'll get back to them here in a little bit.

791
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,320
But they partner in programs that we have

792
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,540
and are a major partner with, I know that.

793
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:02,860
Yes.

794
01:03:02,860 --> 01:03:07,940
And don't they have funding through other ways not just through that grant process?

795
01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:10,160
Yes, and we'll get there in just a second.

796
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,900
And that also is through their innovation lab.

797
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,560
So we'll, and that's our second recommendation.

798
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,960
The second partner here is the Small Business Center at CCCC.

799
01:03:24,020 --> 01:03:27,120
They received funding through the annual CCCC allocation.

800
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:35,180
So they are a major partner in the growth of small businesses in Chatham County and all of that good stuff.

801
01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:43,000
And then they also partner with us in different programs as you'll see in a couple more updates as we get there.

802
01:03:43,660 --> 01:03:47,360
And then just we wanted to highlight some other partnerships with other organizations.

803
01:03:47,580 --> 01:03:51,140
This list is by no means exhaustive.

804
01:03:51,140 --> 01:03:57,400
So the first are our chambers of commerce, both the Chatham Chamber and the West Chatham Chamber,

805
01:03:58,220 --> 01:04:04,260
the EDC for economic development, along with the organizations that they work with and then

806
01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:06,700
cooperative extension for our agriculture businesses.

807
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:14,960
So we have a pretty large section of folks that we work with to effectuate positive interactions

808
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,560
with small businesses and working toward their growth.

809
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:22,320
So that's just a general update for this first recommendation.

810
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:32,420
For recommendation two, much more specific is to create balanced approach to economic development

811
01:04:32,420 --> 01:04:39,100
and given that the economic development corporations primarily primary mission is business recruitment,

812
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:46,500
establish a parallel entity, a chat of county innovation lab, the focus is exclusively on entrepreneurship

813
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:48,180
and small business development.

814
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:50,800
And as I mentioned earlier,

815
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,260
WebSquared receives funding for that innovation lab,

816
01:04:55,380 --> 01:04:57,100
post this report,

817
01:04:57,980 --> 01:05:01,660
and we work through them for to complete this recommendation.

818
01:05:03,020 --> 01:05:06,120
And I believe this is what you're referring to,

819
01:05:06,180 --> 01:05:08,540
Commissioner Canlin, or maybe on mistake.

820
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:16,280
But the WebSquared continues to work on this lab,

821
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,180
And I received some data from them for FY-2526.

822
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:26,560
They just for FY-2526, they have been funded in prior years,

823
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,180
and I can get that data for you all as well.

824
01:05:29,780 --> 01:05:33,780
But just to go through it, briefly, we have,

825
01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:37,600
they have served 37 by Pock Entrepreneurs.

826
01:05:38,820 --> 01:05:43,820
They have delivered 200 plus hours of personalized business

827
01:05:43,820 --> 01:05:50,900
coaching, 24 entrepreneurs receive on-going services, and then they hosted 19 workshops

828
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:52,880
and round tables and events.

829
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,580
I know we're supposed to hold questions, but is there data on how many of those are

830
01:05:57,580 --> 01:06:01,940
Chaudham County residents, the 37 entrepreneurs supported?

831
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,460
I believe so, and I can get that for you.

832
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:09,360
I don't have it off top of the top of my head, but I have the report, and I can provide that

833
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,020
for you all.

834
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,640
Any other questions on this recommendation before we go to the next one?

835
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:23,760
So this is the third recommendation and this is one of the larger ones of the few.

836
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:35,760
So for this recommendation, this recommendation is to adopt a mission-driven innovation approach to minority entrepreneurship and small business development.

837
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:40,340
and the general gist of this one is to lead by leveraging

838
01:06:40,340 --> 01:06:43,680
Shadow County Government procurement and contracting to

839
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,740
grow minority businesses, collaborate with other

840
01:06:46,740 --> 01:06:49,260
entrepreneurial support organizations to market

841
01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:53,960
forecasted contracting and procurement opportunities, and then

842
01:06:54,620 --> 01:06:57,640
EECAP, the EECAP procurement platform to connect

843
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,340
minority entrepreneurs and small business owners with

844
01:07:00,340 --> 01:07:03,800
education training and networking as well as access to

845
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,780
government and private sector contracting and procurement opportunities.

846
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:13,500
So this recommendation is primarily in relation to government contracting and working with

847
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:18,280
minority entrepreneurs to support those businesses in our community.

848
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:25,140
And so enough data for an update to this at these efforts, I reached out to our procurement

849
01:07:25,140 --> 01:07:27,400
office and they provided a few updates.

850
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:46,720
So, just to go through them here, they post applicable bid opportunities through the North Carolina Department of Administration's historically under-lies under-utilized businesses or hub site to inform those businesses of opportunities within the county.

851
01:07:47,780 --> 01:07:55,440
Our vendor application form requests that these hub vendors to provide their classification

852
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:56,740
for future opportunities.

853
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,820
So we have a repository of those businesses that we can work with in the future and they

854
01:08:01,820 --> 01:08:09,080
are listed in our system so that if we, so choose to contract with them later on in the

855
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:14,460
process, they're already built into our system, just like any other vendor, but they have

856
01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:16,620
specific designation within the system.

857
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:24,700
We also, as you'll note, from a previous recommendation, participate in annual procurement

858
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:30,600
summits and with the Central Carolina Community Colleges Small Business Center to help

859
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:37,580
hub business owners navigate bid opportunities for the county and the CCCC offered a six-part

860
01:08:37,580 --> 01:08:43,060
program last fall to assist those vendors and will be hosting the procurement summit again next

861
01:08:43,060 --> 01:08:52,920
So we are an active participant in some of those programs that help provide information to those businesses so that we can contract with them in the future.

862
01:08:54,380 --> 01:09:07,660
And then finally we inform vendors when they sign up to be a recognized vendor with chat and county to sign up for the e-notifications for the county website to receive notices of those current bid opportunities.

863
01:09:07,660 --> 01:09:10,940
So that gives you a general overview.

864
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:16,000
I'm sure there's more and our finance team can speak to that, but we do definitely.

865
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:22,660
We have made some changes based off of these recommendations and are working toward

866
01:09:23,860 --> 01:09:30,820
being a much better place to work with our for minority entrepreneurs to work with Shadow County.

867
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,320
So it's those are a few updates there.

868
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:58,020
Our next recommendation is to consider supporting the proposed mission driven innovation approach outlined in recommendation 3 by launching a chat and county equitable development fund, an investment vehicle that would provide startup and growth capital to support minority owned mission driven entrepreneurial ventures and small business enterprises.

869
01:09:58,020 --> 01:10:02,660
This is not something that directly has been accomplished.

870
01:10:03,380 --> 01:10:11,820
This recommendation does have, however, a outlet that we think would work pretty well for this.

871
01:10:12,540 --> 01:10:20,200
So we had a Chattam County revolving loan fund, and we believed that this would accomplish the recommendation.

872
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:34,880
It was established in 2004 and updated in 2008, but has since late dormant for several years and we are currently working with the EDC to reinvigorate and modernize that program.

873
01:10:35,580 --> 01:10:47,440
So it is still outstanding. We're working with them to continue work on this revolving loan funds stand-up once again.

874
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:55,440
What happened to it between 2008 and now, I might lean on county manager Brian Thompson to answer that.

875
01:10:56,700 --> 01:11:00,400
From 2008 to now, I'm not sure for all the history behind it.

876
01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:14,060
I know that there have been some of those funds that have been used to leverage loans and that some of those are probably still active and not necessarily from 2008.

877
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:27,340
But I do think, in the most recent years, it's not been as active, and one of the areas that we want to focus on is re-enjuvenating and rejuvenating and bringing more attention to this as a resource to our small business community.

878
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:34,300
Do we know the last year that alone was given the last time it was operational?

879
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:41,180
Don't have that right off hand unless you have once you've received any additional information.

880
01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:51,060
On this itself is a focus area that we're wanting to bring more information to bear on the status of it.

881
01:11:51,220 --> 01:11:54,280
What's active, have there been any defaults?

882
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:59,720
Has that fund been depleted at all as a result of that?

883
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:05,400
And what has work, what has it, and how can we move forward to bolster that resource?

884
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:12,960
Have we identified staff and folks that would be overseeing this program or?

885
01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:15,920
We keep getting really lucky.

886
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:17,200
We're good.

887
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:19,720
We actually have a meeting.

888
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:21,260
I'm looking.

889
01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:25,060
Oh, May 28th to have that conversation.

890
01:12:25,220 --> 01:12:26,680
Thank you for being back.

891
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:31,120
And it has, it has just been historically underutilized.

892
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,440
And so I know that for those who have used it, it's been an asset,

893
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:38,880
but it is largely unknown.

894
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:45,020
And I think that there are a lot of entrepreneurs and small business owners

895
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:48,780
that could take advantage of it where they, where, you know,

896
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:53,400
market it and support it and sort of out in the public sphere,

897
01:12:53,400 --> 01:13:08,600
So that people knew to get into it and I wonder whether and I'm sure Rebecca's going to look at this kind of thing, but or you will have a conversation whether the model that self-help uses for some of their small business loans.

898
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:15,160
Whatever they use to market to get that out in front of the community is clearly a successful model.

899
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:20,340
and I know Chad and we kind of struggle with, you know, who are people listening to,

900
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,020
where are they getting their information, where are they hearing things?

901
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:28,160
So I think that is another big part of the challenge because it was housed in the EDC

902
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:32,680
it already feels a little removed from the ordinary, you know, man.

903
01:13:33,740 --> 01:13:36,600
And so I'm excited about the potential.

904
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,780
And I'm really looking forward to whatever we get.

905
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:52,060
And as I mentioned, we believe that once that stood back up and is more available for use

906
01:13:52,060 --> 01:14:00,340
with the community, that would definitely accomplish some of this recommendation in the report.

907
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,380
Just stay tuned on that one.

908
01:14:03,380 --> 01:14:14,600
Is this coming out of the work that I know the town of Pittsburgh, Brian, when we have that meeting with Jonathan and looking at sort of entrepreneurial and supporting that work, and so it's kind of

909
01:14:15,340 --> 01:14:17,580
Ten gentle, do you know what I'm speaking of your Britain?

910
01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:23,220
Is it, uh, I believe they were formal with you, right? And now in CIDA.

911
01:14:23,220 --> 01:14:26,320
I believe it's who they've been working with.

912
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:27,640
Yeah, you remember this?

913
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:28,300
Yeah.

914
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:29,120
Yeah.

915
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:29,420
Yeah.

916
01:14:29,420 --> 01:14:39,560
And so this specifically hasn't, but I know Brian and I have had conversations about speaking with Pittsburgh Owen.

917
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,500
Stay tuned for the recommendation here at the end.

918
01:14:43,620 --> 01:14:44,460
Perfect.

919
01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:55,840
So this last recommendation for this piece of the update is the invest in impact investment training section.

920
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,960
So, this section of we...

921
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,060
We did look at doing this, but in the report there was a designation that we would provide training

922
01:15:07,060 --> 01:15:16,080
to all staff for assisting entrepreneurial organizations. We didn't feel that that was a feasible,

923
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:23,020
it was basically recognized as operational, not feasible to provide that training. But we do and

924
01:15:23,980 --> 01:15:29,020
will partner with entrepreneurial support organizations to provide training to staff that

925
01:15:29,020 --> 01:15:37,780
work with those entrepreneurs, but because our outside of our regulatory authority, our work

926
01:15:37,780 --> 01:15:42,720
with small businesses has been limited up until now, that's not something we provided yet,

927
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:50,680
but would be open to doing in the future. And what is impact investment training?

928
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:58,780
So, within this recommendation, it's basically a training that would go to staff to teach them

929
01:15:58,780 --> 01:16:05,200
where to provide or how to provide small businesses, services, and those sorts of things.

930
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,540
And as I mentioned earlier, the recommendations fairly long.

931
01:16:08,980 --> 01:16:12,480
So I can get you all a little bit more information there.

932
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:20,620
This is just an update, but we have not.

933
01:16:20,700 --> 01:16:29,760
We recognize that the ability to train all of our staff on these things would be a large cost.

934
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:40,340
So if we would rather tailor it to those specific positions that do have day-to-day work

935
01:16:40,340 --> 01:16:43,120
with small business, then those owners.

936
01:16:46,770 --> 01:16:53,550
So I'll stop there for this section any questions on those five recommendations, and then

937
01:16:54,770 --> 01:16:59,050
I know I told you to hold on to them, but happy to take on.

938
01:16:59,050 --> 01:17:01,890
I have a broad question,

939
01:17:04,170 --> 01:17:08,170
how are we tracking or how are we planning to track the impact of the work?

940
01:17:08,590 --> 01:17:18,050
Because there's a little bit of a concern that I have that we are saying that we're already doing all the things that we should be doing.

941
01:17:20,010 --> 01:17:26,990
And while I do believe that we are doing some of the things that we could and should be doing,

942
01:17:26,990 --> 01:17:32,490
It would be impossible to say whether we're doing a really good job unless we know whether it's

943
01:17:32,490 --> 01:17:34,770
making a meaningful difference in the community.

944
01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:39,890
So, how are we tracking that and how what would what would look like success?

945
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:48,490
Yeah, so one of the things that we have, nothing specific up until now, but one thing we've talked

946
01:17:48,490 --> 01:17:53,550
about is staff internally is to be to add it to the information hub.

947
01:17:53,550 --> 01:18:02,270
is if you've noticed there's a plan section on the info hub that has a number of different

948
01:18:02,270 --> 01:18:08,270
things and over the next few months we'll be adding pages for different plans that you all

949
01:18:08,270 --> 01:18:15,450
will be reviewing and for consideration of adoption. So maybe adding a page there and explaining

950
01:18:15,950 --> 01:18:22,750
the level of investment that is being provided by this body to nonprofits that engage in this work

951
01:18:22,750 --> 01:18:27,690
and then also providing more regular updates for the assessment.

952
01:18:28,150 --> 01:18:33,890
So that's one of the ideas that we've thrown around internally is a good way to provide some of that.

953
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:39,730
Those updates and keep the community involved and it also serves,

954
01:18:40,010 --> 01:18:44,990
it would serve as a nice place for folks to go to be able to know what Chatham is doing in this area,

955
01:18:46,210 --> 01:18:51,070
because up until now, this is the first update since that report was presented,

956
01:18:51,070 --> 01:19:00,610
So that would provide a more regular opportunity for departments to add those things onto the sites so the public can be updated over time and you all as well

957
01:19:00,610 --> 01:19:08,190
Would that be something that you all would be interested in seeing and would that do you think that would meet what you're looking for?

958
01:19:09,230 --> 01:19:15,230
I think that would be helpful for us now right I mean we would I would want to to see that

959
01:19:15,230 --> 01:19:21,610
But given the population of the Hispanic community inside of the city that we're seeing a number

960
01:19:21,610 --> 01:19:30,050
of solar city, Hispanic owned businesses get access to these things, given some of the African-American

961
01:19:30,050 --> 01:19:34,830
long term business owner, businesses that have been in China County for a while, I would

962
01:19:34,830 --> 01:19:37,670
like to see how are they accessing it?

963
01:19:37,770 --> 01:19:38,890
Are they getting an opportunity?

964
01:19:38,890 --> 01:19:44,270
And without some sort of data point to look at,

965
01:19:44,270 --> 01:19:46,370
I don't really know what those raw numbers look like now,

966
01:19:46,450 --> 01:19:49,010
and I certainly wouldn't know what success it looks like

967
01:19:49,010 --> 01:19:52,170
if, you know, to look back in a year or two,

968
01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:54,050
or to look forward a year or two.

969
01:19:55,070 --> 01:19:59,230
So that, and then I think for us,

970
01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:02,090
that could be helpful in seeing whether that plays a role

971
01:20:03,170 --> 01:20:05,770
in who goes into business in Chatham, right?

972
01:20:05,770 --> 01:20:10,830
I mean, I think historically there are demographics that just don't really feel that there

973
01:20:10,830 --> 01:20:18,070
was a shot, and if we can change that narrative and improve those outcomes, and be able

974
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:23,070
to see that in real time, I think that would be a benefit to us.

975
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:29,430
Yeah, and just to add on to that a little bit, as I mentioned earlier, the report has a lot

976
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:38,350
demographic data on those folks. So we can definitely look into seeing how we can track

977
01:20:38,350 --> 01:20:45,190
those data points from when the report was accessed to now or over time through either

978
01:20:45,190 --> 01:20:50,310
census reports, American Survey, American Community Survey data. We can see what we can do

979
01:20:50,830 --> 01:20:56,930
and make it similar to how we've done some of the commissioner goals. So it tracks it along the

980
01:20:56,930 --> 01:21:04,910
And we can we can even catch up from where we were because that historical data so we can see those trends over the past few years

981
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:13,730
Any further questions on this piece and then we'll go to the next section. Also,

982
01:21:16,220 --> 01:21:17,080
so as I mentioned

983
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:24,260
Sydney, well, Chief the manager's office intern wasn't able to be here, but this was his section of the presentation

984
01:21:24,260 --> 01:21:28,620
He has done a lot of research. He went through all 100 counties and

985
01:21:28,620 --> 01:21:42,740
And did a very small synthesis for you all of what he had researched, what was most common to see on how peer communities interact with small businesses in some of the programs that they stood up.

986
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:53,500
So to give a start, we'll provide an overview of actions taken by other counties in North Carolina to support small businesses.

987
01:21:53,500 --> 01:22:02,560
And then he focused on strategies to assist with the acquisition of capital, and providing resources beneficial to small businesses.

988
01:22:04,460 --> 01:22:16,160
So the first one I believe it was noted when you all had originally discussed this, that there was some interest in looking at an advisory committee.

989
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,580
When sitting it done this research,

990
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,440
Mecklenburg County is the only county in North Carolina

991
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:24,420
that has this type of an advisory board.

992
01:22:25,540 --> 01:22:27,660
So it provides recommendations,

993
01:22:28,220 --> 01:22:30,980
relating to concerns and issues of small businesses

994
01:22:30,980 --> 01:22:34,060
and entrepreneurs, and then when selecting members,

995
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,100
preferences given to people who have at least

996
01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:38,140
one year of entrepreneurial experience.

997
01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:40,880
This is a fairly uncommon committee

998
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,560
as one in 100 counties in North Carolina,

999
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:50,860
and our recommendation toward the end is having to do with this in a slightly different capacity.

1000
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:53,440
Sorry.

1001
01:22:53,840 --> 01:23:03,260
Do we know whether any other counties have small business advisory groups that fall under something else,

1002
01:23:03,260 --> 01:23:07,860
as opposed to a stand-alone committee, right? Like a community college or their EDC or something else?

1003
01:23:07,860 --> 01:23:17,200
Yes, so we have noted several working groups and several different organizations, you'll see it in a minute, that have

1004
01:23:17,580 --> 01:23:25,200
departments specific to entrepreneurs or small businesses, but that's typically, you'll see them,

1005
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:32,660
most of the time in municipalities, because they assist with either facade grants or downtown revitalization in those sorts of

1006
01:23:32,660 --> 01:23:42,720
ideas, counties typically don't have that as much, but he may be able to give more, but from

1007
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:48,860
what we discussed, Mechlinberg was really the only county that had something specific to this,

1008
01:23:48,860 --> 01:23:56,920
but there are different models in ways that folks go about it. But just to give you all a little

1009
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:02,660
of a previewed the working group is our recommendation, so I will give you an overview once

1010
01:24:02,660 --> 01:24:03,440
we get there.

1011
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:12,310
The next item is Orange County has a small business investment grant program.

1012
01:24:13,070 --> 01:24:19,350
They provide small grants of up to $5,000 for businesses in operation for at least six months.

1013
01:24:20,030 --> 01:24:25,350
They also provide larger grants that range from $5,000 to $10,000 for businesses in operation

1014
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:26,770
for at least one year.

1015
01:24:26,770 --> 01:24:32,510
They're grant funding comes from revenue generated from the quarter cents article 46 sales tax.

1016
01:24:33,550 --> 01:24:39,510
So we are still looking into and staff is still looking into the authority where they

1017
01:24:40,430 --> 01:24:41,890
derived this from.

1018
01:24:41,890 --> 01:24:43,330
We're sure that it's there.

1019
01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:45,790
We just haven't received it back from them.

1020
01:24:46,710 --> 01:24:50,030
But we wanted to put this out here as a

1021
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:54,710
of what another county does in relation to small businesses.

1022
01:24:54,710 --> 01:24:55,750
The

1023
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:05,900
next one, as we mentioned earlier, and it'll kind of be called back to that several counties

1024
01:25:05,900 --> 01:25:12,060
have revolving loan programs for small businesses, and said and just put an example from

1025
01:25:12,060 --> 01:25:18,840
McLeanberg of up to 75,000 of a 7% fixed interest rate, and the purpose is to help small

1026
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,480
business owners with capital, creating jobs, and expansion.

1027
01:25:24,380 --> 01:25:30,720
And as I mentioned earlier, Chattam County previously had a revolving loan fund, we still

1028
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:36,260
do, but it's laying dormant and then the manager's office is working with EDC2, reinvigorate

1029
01:25:36,260 --> 01:25:37,520
and modernize the program.

1030
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:39,840
So I'm just an overview there.

1031
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:41,820
And ours, has interest?

1032
01:25:44,540 --> 01:25:45,220
I don't think so.

1033
01:25:47,700 --> 01:25:49,720
I don't think so.

1034
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:49,880
I don't think so.

1035
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,720
But I'd have to go back and look to be certain, so I wouldn't be in the right place.

1036
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:58,600
that's interesting that Maclimber has such a high interest rate.

1037
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:07,780
I've wonder if it's my speculation would be that it's through a different bank or credit union.

1038
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:09,160
What is this?

1039
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,260
The largest risk for self-help.

1040
01:26:11,620 --> 01:26:11,680
Yeah.

1041
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,540
The next section is a bent hosting.

1042
01:26:20,140 --> 01:26:23,240
So several counties have been known to host events for local businesses.

1043
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:28,220
Mecklenburg has hosted events for local small business owners to meet one another.

1044
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:33,880
These events are also used to inform business owners of available resources.

1045
01:26:34,780 --> 01:26:37,780
Guilford County House workshops for small business owners.

1046
01:26:38,020 --> 01:26:41,100
These include financial literacy resource events and networking.

1047
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,160
He just gave a couple of examples, but this is fairly common.

1048
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:50,040
Whether it be through service delivery departments like libraries or aging or those sorts of folks.

1049
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:54,200
There's many different counties that do event hosting.

1050
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,100
And then I believe this is his final one.

1051
01:27:00,580 --> 01:27:03,080
Several counties use service delivery departments

1052
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,880
to promote available resources for small businesses.

1053
01:27:06,420 --> 01:27:07,760
And he put a couple of examples.

1054
01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:10,740
Almanz County uses their library website to promote

1055
01:27:10,740 --> 01:27:12,800
state and local resources for small businesses.

1056
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,400
And then several counties have small business

1057
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:17,780
and entrepreneurship departments.

1058
01:27:17,860 --> 01:27:20,400
As I mentioned earlier, they provide resources

1059
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:26,100
and assistance with certifications and provide opportunities to participate in county contracting.

1060
01:27:26,660 --> 01:27:28,940
It's a little bit different and they work with their procurement.

1061
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:35,400
I believe Dilford is one that has this type of department but typically in larger jurisdictions.

1062
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:44,200
So those are the items that Sydney had provided that he saw in his research.

1063
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:53,560
these were the major programs that we saw, but if you all have any questions on any of these,

1064
01:27:53,820 --> 01:27:56,020
happy to answer them.

1065
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:01,460
So, were you at the Secretary of State visit at the Community College?

1066
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:10,680
So, the Secretary of State website has some really excellent resources for small businesses

1067
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:16,480
and entrepreneurs in particular, and I did wonder how we could ensure that folks in

1068
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:23,380
Chatham County got access to them or got the information about them. And I worry

1069
01:28:23,380 --> 01:28:31,060
that just embedding it somewhere on our website doesn't really get it to people, right?

1070
01:28:31,060 --> 01:28:35,040
When you have to go look for something, especially if you're already overwhelmed in your,

1071
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:43,800
I feel like if you're a solo entrepreneur or a solo practitioner at this point in time, you are overwhelmed.

1072
01:28:44,820 --> 01:28:52,460
If there is some way for it to be more front and center, and how do we use our library for those kinds of things?

1073
01:28:52,460 --> 01:29:01,260
I know the Small Business Center does a lot of offers a lot of training and opportunities, but maybe there is some room for us to sort of spread the information.

1074
01:29:01,260 --> 01:29:07,040
And so that you can find it in more than one space, depending on where people are showing up.

1075
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,000
And we can have those discussions with our service delivery departments.

1076
01:29:11,460 --> 01:29:16,540
I believe in Carolyn, they need to correct me if I'm wrong, but our libraries.

1077
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:30,720
I believe do have some information, but I'm not sure it's in the same way that some other...

1078
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,680
definitely something we can look into.

1079
01:29:35,790 --> 01:29:41,190
I'm trying to, you know, obviously you've got Rebecca and others that have a lot of experience

1080
01:29:41,190 --> 01:29:46,610
in Serie II with small businesses, but as a small business owner myself for 15 years I can say

1081
01:29:48,190 --> 01:29:57,770
that I've put a lot of time waste of time pursuing opportunities in places like going to a hub

1082
01:29:57,770 --> 01:29:59,970
for, you know, vendor opportunities, things like that.

1083
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:17,020
It just suck up the time to put in for some of these things. And the hope of getting something is very slim. So I think how to go about working with small businesses and ways that can be most impactful.

1084
01:30:17,540 --> 01:30:27,280
And it scares me to thought of putting all these resources up for them to pursue and then trying to have them navigate and figure out which one, you know, I just don't know where to go.

1085
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,240
And I'm not saying we don't do it.

1086
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:31,780
I'm not saying we only put a few up.

1087
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,980
I'm just saying, how do we put things out there

1088
01:30:34,980 --> 01:30:38,840
in a way that can be most useful for small business owners?

1089
01:30:40,980 --> 01:30:43,740
And once I met with a member at this small business

1090
01:30:43,740 --> 01:30:48,300
association, probably up in or in Durham County,

1091
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:49,660
drove up to meet with them.

1092
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:51,740
And they had a bunch of great ideas,

1093
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,460
but really it was not anything that was ultimately really useful.

1094
01:30:55,460 --> 01:30:58,460
So I think trying to ensure we're picking the brains,

1095
01:30:58,620 --> 01:31:00,940
maybe picking the brains of a lot of our local businesses

1096
01:31:00,940 --> 01:31:04,200
and entrepreneurs to be at the table with this.

1097
01:31:04,300 --> 01:31:06,300
So could be, you know, that sort of a committee

1098
01:31:06,300 --> 01:31:07,560
would be really helpful.

1099
01:31:08,180 --> 01:31:10,420
What works, you know, anyway?

1100
01:31:10,580 --> 01:31:12,100
Those are my thoughts in that area.

1101
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:12,940
Yeah, absolutely.

1102
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,560
And that's a great segue for our next piece.

1103
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:20,360
So staff was discussing a lot on this,

1104
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:24,820
on how to best utilize, as you mentioned,

1105
01:31:24,820 --> 01:31:35,740
the partnerships that we have in the community, and folks that are much more involved in the small business environment than what the county typically is, other than in the regulatory lens.

1106
01:31:36,660 --> 01:31:42,820
So we decided to reach out to these interested list of partners here.

1107
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:47,860
ourselves, the Small Business Center, WebSquared,

1108
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,020
Chattam Chamber of Commerce, West Chattam Chamber of Commerce,

1109
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,360
the EDC, and both the Town of Pittsburgh

1110
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:56,880
and the Town of Sightler City,

1111
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:01,480
and received some initial interest in the development

1112
01:32:01,480 --> 01:32:03,460
of a Small Business Working Group.

1113
01:32:04,060 --> 01:32:07,220
The county doesn't necessarily see itself

1114
01:32:08,500 --> 01:32:12,800
as the lead chair in the room in any way,

1115
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:18,600
shape of form, but we reached out to all of these groups and received that initial interest

1116
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:24,520
to begin the possibility of workshopping some type of working group with the idea of it being

1117
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:29,100
a convening of the conveners, because one of the downsides that we saw from the Advisory

1118
01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:34,420
Committee lens is this is one of these are one off entrepreneurs that are being promoted

1119
01:32:34,420 --> 01:32:40,740
to these boards and committees, whereas this would be a working group of all of the organizations

1120
01:32:40,740 --> 01:32:46,700
that work with all of the small businesses, so they have a much larger voice, that's at least

1121
01:32:46,700 --> 01:32:55,180
from the staff view. You all obviously may feel differently, but in that we recommend that

1122
01:32:55,180 --> 01:32:59,940
you all direct staff to work with partners to explore the development of this type of working

1123
01:32:59,940 --> 01:33:05,760
group. We think it would be a huge benefit to small businesses and the work that they do.

1124
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:12,680
So we'd love to hear your thoughts on this and if there are any questions that you all have.

1125
01:33:14,180 --> 01:33:15,220
Thank you for the work.

1126
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:22,940
I think this kind of mirrors to how I would like to see, I guess, first steps.

1127
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:29,260
I'm definitely in support of the recommendation that you've presented.

1128
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:34,520
I don't know if you had any questions or comments, but I'm happy to make a motion.

1129
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:42,930
I guess I'll make a motion to direct staff to work with partners to explore the development

1130
01:33:42,930 --> 01:33:45,050
of a small business working group.

1131
01:33:45,050 --> 01:33:45,390
Second.

1132
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:48,380
Thank you, Commissioner.

1133
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:49,160
All in favour?

1134
01:33:50,860 --> 01:33:51,640
All opposed?

1135
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:52,420
No.

1136
01:33:53,300 --> 01:33:53,680
No.

1137
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:54,080
Go for it.

1138
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:54,700
Thank you.

1139
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,220
I appreciate it.

1140
01:33:56,380 --> 01:34:00,600
And any further questions you all have before I move to the next presentation?

1141
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:02,520
No.

1142
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:10,400
So I do want to ask that we be our own worst critic and really look at, you know, not

1143
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,320
are we doing enough, but is there more that we could be doing?

1144
01:34:14,060 --> 01:34:18,760
Because for so long we've been a participant in not doing enough, right?

1145
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:24,160
Like we were just part of the landscape, which I'm pointing fingers, but it was a status quo

1146
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:24,840
that existed.

1147
01:34:25,020 --> 01:34:29,480
And so if we're going to make meaningful impact, I think we need to be hold ourselves

1148
01:34:29,480 --> 01:34:38,020
up for a to examination to see whether there is room for us to be more, I don't want to

1149
01:34:38,020 --> 01:34:45,240
use the word aggressive, but for lack of a better word around our own expectations of

1150
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:47,220
ourselves about come to us.

1151
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:53,460
I think there's enthusiasm on the part of the board for this one, Brenton, and I think that

1152
01:34:53,460 --> 01:34:58,480
if we can grow businesses in the county, it's always a plus.

1153
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:02,700
So yeah, I think that people here are pretty excited about this opportunity.

1154
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:04,220
Thank you.

1155
01:35:04,220 --> 01:35:04,960
Thank you.

1156
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:05,500
Thank you all.

1157
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:13,000
And you are up next on the item 260238 received update on digital inclusion and vote to adopt updates

1158
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,500
to the Chattam County Digital Inclusion Plan.

1159
01:35:25,170 --> 01:35:25,590
All right.

1160
01:35:26,530 --> 01:35:29,230
So let me, all right.

1161
01:35:30,230 --> 01:35:36,130
So I believe it has been a while since I have been in front of you all with an update

1162
01:35:36,130 --> 01:35:57,950
on digital inclusion and some of those types of matters, so, and I believe it was one of the first actions of Chair Rovers of which he joined in the board in 2024 to adopt the Chattam County digital inclusion plan.

1163
01:35:57,950 --> 01:36:02,430
So, we thought it would be a good idea to do three things today.

1164
01:36:02,650 --> 01:36:12,590
So, the first is to go do an overview of our broadband work in the past year since I brought it back in, brought it from, to you all.

1165
01:36:13,290 --> 01:36:27,450
And then, I have Crandon Institute here to do an overview of their grant program that was awarded by the Office of Digital Equity and Literacy

1166
01:36:27,450 --> 01:36:33,570
to Central Pine's Regional Council and then they were a subgrantee along with us in a different

1167
01:36:33,570 --> 01:36:34,130
capacity.

1168
01:36:34,730 --> 01:36:37,310
So they're going to do an overview of that program.

1169
01:36:38,370 --> 01:36:46,330
And then I also, as you mentioned, have our yearly recommended adjustments to the digital

1170
01:36:46,330 --> 01:36:51,990
inclusion plan that were provided by the digital inclusion coalition, and I'll go over all

1171
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:53,830
of this as we did there.

1172
01:36:55,310 --> 01:37:14,830
And so, yes, as I mentioned, this kind of already did the introduction here, but you all adopted our chat and counting digital inclusion plan, which had three major prongs, and still has availability, access and adoption, and we'll go over all of those in a little bit.

1173
01:37:14,830 --> 01:37:24,430
But the first piece is availability and availability primarily deals with the expansion of broadband.

1174
01:37:26,450 --> 01:37:29,970
So just quickly do a level set here.

1175
01:37:30,190 --> 01:37:33,570
It's been a while, so some technology didn't know.

1176
01:37:34,090 --> 01:37:35,150
Fiber optic cable.

1177
01:37:36,010 --> 01:37:41,030
It's a technology that converts electrical signals carrying data to light,

1178
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:43,750
and since the light through transparent glass fibers

1179
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:46,130
about the diameter of the human hair.

1180
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:50,810
If you see them on the road, it's the all of the orange rolls.

1181
01:37:52,050 --> 01:37:56,110
The best way I can describe it is their rolls of orange cabling.

1182
01:37:57,810 --> 01:38:01,690
And those can be max speeds of 5,000 megavits per second,

1183
01:38:01,870 --> 01:38:06,110
or even higher, and we'll get into what served versus unserved means

1184
01:38:06,110 --> 01:38:07,070
in just a second.

1185
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:09,830
The second is copper in DSL.

1186
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:16,450
this runs over traditional copper phone lines and speed dependent on technology in the distance.

1187
01:38:17,130 --> 01:38:23,690
DSL speeds range from 1.5 megabits per second to 80 megabits per second. Then we have

1188
01:38:23,690 --> 01:38:31,130
cable, cable modem service, enables cable operators to provide broadband using coax cables

1189
01:38:31,130 --> 01:38:38,290
in the same way that you would for a TV and then the max speed is about 1,000 megabits per

1190
01:38:39,250 --> 01:38:44,310
And those are our wired connections and there's several more, but these are the major ones here.

1191
01:38:45,530 --> 01:38:48,110
Our non-wired connections, the first is satellite.

1192
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:54,010
It's a form of wireless broadband, connecting with the customer's home or business with satellites orbiting north.

1193
01:38:55,370 --> 01:38:57,830
And Max Feet is about 100 megabits per second.

1194
01:38:58,250 --> 01:39:00,550
And that honestly is a little bit old of a number.

1195
01:39:00,990 --> 01:39:06,390
As we all know, there's several different providers that offer higher than that.

1196
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:10,130
And that's a legacy edition from this slide deck.

1197
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:13,650
The second one here is fixed wireless.

1198
01:39:13,950 --> 01:39:20,130
It is wireless broadband connects a home or business using a radio link between equipment

1199
01:39:20,130 --> 01:39:23,510
at the customer's location and service providers' facility.

1200
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:32,730
These are typically used in larger subdivisions where there's maybe a tower in the middle

1201
01:39:32,730 --> 01:39:35,950
love it and then it goes to those homes within the vicinity.

1202
01:39:37,190 --> 01:39:46,350
We have some very few though in Chatham, and then finally, 4G LTE home, it's a LTE home

1203
01:39:46,350 --> 01:39:52,490
Internet is a broadband Internet service delivery of 4G LTE wireless networks, and there

1204
01:39:52,490 --> 01:39:59,150
may be some more of those that have come out in the year since, because now we have 5G and

1205
01:39:59,150 --> 01:40:01,130
all sorts of other different technologies as well.

1206
01:40:01,130 --> 01:40:07,970
So, but the primary one we want to focus on here is fiber, since it is the predominant

1207
01:40:07,970 --> 01:40:18,290
technology that most experts see as the best to have in an area and then in some cases

1208
01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:22,710
satellite as well, and you'll notice that there's cable as well throughout different

1209
01:40:22,710 --> 01:40:29,670
communities and all of them work fairly well, fiber optics just allows the fastest speed.

1210
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:37,670
Oh yeah, absolutely. Do you go over cost of those anywhere because I know there's a huge

1211
01:40:37,670 --> 01:40:42,790
cost, discrepancy with different forms of access, if I know, some are a lot cheaper than

1212
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:43,130
others?

1213
01:40:43,670 --> 01:40:49,210
Yeah, I do not in this presentation. However, that is something that we have taken into account.

1214
01:40:50,490 --> 01:40:56,430
We've talked about different programs. There used to be a few programs that at the federal

1215
01:40:56,430 --> 01:41:01,770
level that surf folks that are no longer in existence, they didn't receive congressional approval

1216
01:41:01,770 --> 01:41:07,930
about a year or so ago, but that is definitely something there, but oftentimes it depends

1217
01:41:07,930 --> 01:41:15,750
on the location because it depends on the provider and what their academics look like, because

1218
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:24,570
I've seen cases where DSL, you're receiving 10 megabits down or even sometimes less, is more expensive

1219
01:41:24,570 --> 01:41:30,550
than a fiber network, so it really just depends on the provider and what services they're offering.

1220
01:41:32,930 --> 01:41:40,470
And that's absolutely, that's a, that's a, that's a struggle. The, and there, as I mentioned,

1221
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:47,370
there still are some programs, the Affordable Connectivity Program was one that used to exist,

1222
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:54,090
and oftentimes, and folks should check with their providers because some of them are required

1223
01:41:54,090 --> 01:42:03,310
through grant programs and things like that to maintain that reduction in cost, and even

1224
01:42:03,310 --> 01:42:09,150
though there's no regulation to it now, they still say, if you meet these specific programs,

1225
01:42:09,890 --> 01:42:17,210
you are able to receive a discount of, I believe it's $25, is typically $25, because the

1226
01:42:17,210 --> 01:42:21,050
average is around 75 for internet cost a month.

1227
01:42:21,710 --> 01:42:24,870
So you'll receive a reduction from your ISP specifically.

1228
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:29,930
So some different providers provide that as a service.

1229
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:36,510
So just one as well, level set here on unserved and underserved.

1230
01:42:36,990 --> 01:42:41,970
So unserved locations are areas with speed less than 25 megabits per second download.

1231
01:42:42,450 --> 01:42:44,090
And three megabits per second upload.

1232
01:42:44,090 --> 01:42:51,110
And then underserved locations, our areas with speeds between 25 megabits per second, download

1233
01:42:51,110 --> 01:42:57,330
in 30 megabits per second, upload and 100 megabits download and 100 megabits upload.

1234
01:42:58,010 --> 01:43:07,250
So, though, below 25-3 is unserved and then in the middle there is underserved and then served is,

1235
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:13,290
if you have internet speeds greater than 100 megabits per second by 100 megabits per second.

1236
01:43:13,290 --> 01:43:20,810
So, and that's an FCC definition, and the state has decided to also use that definition.

1237
01:43:24,440 --> 01:43:28,220
And so, with that, I'll go over some of the grant programs.

1238
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:32,360
This presentation will primarily go through this piece of the presentation.

1239
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:41,100
We'll go through the different grant programs that the county is working with state and federal resources on.

1240
01:43:41,100 --> 01:43:56,740
So the first is the Art Off Grant, the digital opportunity fund, and it will provide at $20.4 billion in funding over a 10 year period, which this started in 2019.

1241
01:43:57,460 --> 01:44:04,460
So we're getting there toward the end of the 10 year period to support the construction of broadband networks and rural communities across the country.

1242
01:44:04,460 --> 01:44:12,440
this program, we'll go over in a minute, we have one provider in chatam.

1243
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:25,820
The second program is the great grant, and some of you may remember this from the American Rescue Plan Act Funds.

1244
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:31,500
So it's a competitive grant program that provided funding to private sector broadband providers

1245
01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:36,100
to deploy last mile broadband infrastructure to unserved areas of North Carolina.

1246
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:43,240
This program is codified in North Carolina law, so, and we have two of these programs within

1247
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:43,780
Chatham.

1248
01:44:45,820 --> 01:44:50,380
The third is the cab grant, the completing access to broadband program.

1249
01:44:50,460 --> 01:44:55,920
It's a competitive bidding program that provides the opportunity for individual North Carolina

1250
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:59,980
counties, the partner with NCDIT, to fund broadband deployment projects.

1251
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:16,980
And under un-served and underserved areas of each participating county, as you can imagine, this is the program that we've worked most heavily with, in CDIT on and I believe, and without looking at my slide deck, I believe we have four of these grants within chat and county.

1252
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:29,980
And then the last two, the first is bead, broadband equity access and deployment, it provides more federal funding to North Carolina and states across the nation to expand.

1253
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:36,560
high-speed internet access for its residents and businesses and to note North Carolina's

1254
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:42,480
bead final proposal and awards have been approved by the National Telecommunications and

1255
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:48,000
Information Administration and TIA. So I will have more information about the numbers

1256
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,790
that Chattam will see in this program, which is one of my new pieces here.

1257
01:45:51,790 --> 01:46:21,410
And then the final program is the stop gap solutions program, which will fund line extension projects to reach individual small pockets of households or businesses that have not reached through the great grant or cab grant and these basically will this program will serve those residences that are far off of lines to provide them the opportunity to receive coverage as well.

1258
01:46:21,410 --> 01:46:28,210
So, and it's areas that are typically not going to be served by these individual programs

1259
01:46:28,210 --> 01:46:33,170
and they try to find those locations and provide it to them when they could.

1260
01:46:35,050 --> 01:46:40,230
So, the first grant is art off, as I mentioned, the Royal Digital Opportunity Fund.

1261
01:46:40,990 --> 01:46:48,210
This program, and I hope you all can see it kind of well, the gray shaded areas, are areas

1262
01:46:48,210 --> 01:46:58,410
where this spectrum was awarded to provide broadband access and they are required to be finalized

1263
01:46:58,410 --> 01:47:07,030
by 2028. It's a 10 year program and so we're getting toward the end of that so we are seeing

1264
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:15,690
them expand throughout the community now and they are projected to provide or contracted to

1265
01:47:15,690 --> 01:47:22,610
provide 3,400 and 45 locations in Chattam County broadband.

1266
01:47:23,170 --> 01:47:28,950
We don't receive direct information from the ISPs on when these are finalized because it's

1267
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:34,890
kind of a mix in match because they'll come into an area using the program and then they'll

1268
01:47:34,890 --> 01:47:35,930
expand outwards.

1269
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:45,030
So it's hard to get a full idea of where and when these programs specifically are expanding.

1270
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:52,030
But I do know that we have had some spectrum work throughout the county, so they are coming in.

1271
01:47:54,450 --> 01:47:54,650
Yep.

1272
01:47:56,830 --> 01:48:00,670
So that's our first grant, and this one was awarded in 2019.

1273
01:48:01,670 --> 01:48:07,570
So it's been a while since they've been in the works for a while.

1274
01:48:08,650 --> 01:48:14,470
Our next program is the great-great program of which we have two in

1275
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:21,130
Jadam. The first is AT&T. You can see it in the dark blue, and then you can

1276
01:48:21,130 --> 01:48:29,010
see bright speed in the lighter blue. And each one, so AT&T, has completed

1277
01:48:29,010 --> 01:48:34,810
their work. We got a notification of that. Households that are served

1278
01:48:34,810 --> 01:48:38,910
now are 542 and businesses 16.

1279
01:48:40,690 --> 01:48:45,090
The NCD IT allocation for this project was $1.9 million,

1280
01:48:45,630 --> 01:48:51,250
and then the Chattam allocation through revenue replacement

1281
01:48:51,450 --> 01:48:56,150
ARPA funds was $169,208.

1282
01:48:57,370 --> 01:49:03,210
And then for bright speed they are finalizing construction

1283
01:49:03,210 --> 01:49:12,410
for this project and the households that will serve is 1,862 in business is 52 and the

1284
01:49:12,410 --> 01:49:20,490
NCDIT allocation was $4 million and Chad and County provided a matching fund of $350,000.

1285
01:49:21,470 --> 01:49:27,410
And if you'll remember, this was prior to the state law change, where now cab,

1286
01:49:27,410 --> 01:49:33,110
grant CAD and grant programs or local governments are no longer required to provide a match.

1287
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:38,810
So as we get into the CAD program, you'll notice that Chatham did not provide an allocation.

1288
01:49:39,470 --> 01:49:41,310
That was not because we didn't plan to.

1289
01:49:41,790 --> 01:49:48,810
It was planned, this board voted on it, but the state law change was prior to us sending

1290
01:49:48,810 --> 01:49:52,130
the money, so they told us to, it was reallocated.

1291
01:49:52,130 --> 01:49:55,010
and they're all if he has any additional information.

1292
01:49:55,010 --> 01:49:56,050
If you have any questions.

1293
01:49:57,570 --> 01:50:00,530
But we didn't get the 350,000 back.

1294
01:50:00,630 --> 01:50:01,410
No, actually.

1295
01:50:02,030 --> 01:50:03,350
Yeah, because we already expanded.

1296
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,460
So the next one is CAP.

1297
01:50:09,580 --> 01:50:11,900
So this is CAP Grant Round 1.

1298
01:50:12,740 --> 01:50:15,020
It is in green there.

1299
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:19,520
You'll see it's primarily Western and Central Chattam County.

1300
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:28,760
It served 2,555 households, their under construction, and the NCDIT award was $4.5 million

1301
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:35,260
to provide this construction and just to add into these, to add a little bit more context.

1302
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:44,300
Providers did have to provide a matching allocation to NCDIT, just as it's to add on there.

1303
01:50:44,300 --> 01:50:47,120
So it's not just in CDIT,

1304
01:50:47,780 --> 01:50:52,200
ARPA funding, it is also includes that provider match.

1305
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:56,940
But I do not have to provide a match on the numbers here.

1306
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:00,840
So cab Grant round two.

1307
01:51:01,300 --> 01:51:03,640
That first one was round one.

1308
01:51:03,980 --> 01:51:08,260
We received notification that there was a second round that came out,

1309
01:51:08,660 --> 01:51:09,440
which you'll remember.

1310
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:14,200
I came in front of you and requested $500,000 to add

1311
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:23,280
to that project last year and we receive, you'll see it in orange, additional 879 households

1312
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:30,860
and 127 businesses to be served by this grant, and then for any of the cab or great grants

1313
01:51:30,860 --> 01:51:37,140
they have a required completion for the end of 1226. That's when ARPA funding is to be expanded.

1314
01:51:37,900 --> 01:51:43,280
So that's a federal requirement and they're contracted to do so. So that's why you'll see a lot

1315
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:52,540
of that Bible work going on right now is they're required to finalize those programs shortly.

1316
01:51:54,980 --> 01:52:02,300
So after this program, we received notification that Chattam County had been awarded

1317
01:52:02,300 --> 01:52:10,600
three additional cab grants in that round. And so these grants are new ones to you all,

1318
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:15,160
because we didn't provide any allocation and we were scheduled to give you this update.

1319
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:17,640
So this first one is Spectrum.

1320
01:52:18,260 --> 01:52:25,920
So as you'll know, the township of Terals in the North Central section of Chattam County

1321
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,640
was one of our densest unserved areas.

1322
01:52:28,900 --> 01:52:38,160
This Spectruming grant ended up being awarded for that area along with that east of Jordan Lake.

1323
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:45,440
area there that had they had both had we had struggled getting coverage for those areas but

1324
01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:55,860
the this grant will cover 525 households and 35 businesses with an NCDIT award of 2.4 million dollars

1325
01:52:55,860 --> 01:53:04,720
and they are under construction as I mentioned. This second cab grant in the cab grant round two is

1326
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:11,520
for wind stream and you might know wind stream because and they have a different name

1327
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:15,360
I'm blanking on it right now, but they have a different name that they operate under,

1328
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:21,720
but this was wind stream connections that was awarded the grant, but it's for 418 households

1329
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:28,960
and 59 businesses and they're currently under construction and it was a $2.4 million award

1330
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:34,580
as well, and it is completion requirement of the end of 2026.

1331
01:53:37,060 --> 01:53:38,840
And so I had that wrong.

1332
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:42,200
It was three cab Grant round two grants.

1333
01:53:44,100 --> 01:53:47,960
And so after those, we'll move into the projected

1334
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:48,720
beat awards.

1335
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:53,100
They've been approved, but NCDIT is still saying

1336
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:54,700
that they are projected awards.

1337
01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:58,660
They're getting the all of those addresses this week.

1338
01:53:58,660 --> 01:54:04,320
they said, so I do have the numbers, but I don't have the specific addresses that will be awarded,

1339
01:54:04,980 --> 01:54:08,260
but there are four of these bead awards.

1340
01:54:08,720 --> 01:54:15,160
So the first is for bright speed and it's in green, and keep in mind all of these are fiber

1341
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:20,140
technology, except for you'll see at the end here, there are two that are not.

1342
01:54:21,060 --> 01:54:25,440
This will serve 710 locations, and it's a federally awarded project.

1343
01:54:26,980 --> 01:54:35,580
The second grant is Spectrum, it is in Dark Blue, and it will serve 456 locations, and

1344
01:54:35,580 --> 01:54:38,920
it's also federally awarded, and these are all within the bead program.

1345
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:47,460
And here's where we get to the final two bead awards, both of these are satellite technology.

1346
01:54:48,540 --> 01:54:51,580
So, but they will meet that served definition.

1347
01:54:51,580 --> 01:54:56,100
so it'll be more than 100 megabits per second, by 100 megabits per second.

1348
01:54:57,820 --> 01:55:05,780
So this one was awarded to Amazon for 622 locations, and it's betterly awarded than as you'll see,

1349
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:11,400
it covers some of our most rural Chattam County areas, because it's satellite.

1350
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:19,020
One qualifier for satellite coverage is tree canopy is typically get in the way,

1351
01:55:19,020 --> 01:55:21,360
So you might see some adjustments.

1352
01:55:21,660 --> 01:55:24,620
You'll see that it kind of maps to that pretty closely.

1353
01:55:25,860 --> 01:55:28,380
I think the cost can also be a lot greater with satellites

1354
01:55:28,380 --> 01:55:30,880
that which you're finding as well, Brenton.

1355
01:55:31,140 --> 01:55:32,140
It can be.

1356
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:34,380
It just depends on, as I mentioned earlier,

1357
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:38,540
which provider and what other requirements may be needed.

1358
01:55:39,140 --> 01:55:41,380
Some require you to purchase the satellite

1359
01:55:41,380 --> 01:55:48,060
or spend an upfront payment to them, to install,

1360
01:55:48,060 --> 01:55:51,180
or those sorts of things, which can have a greater up front cost.

1361
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:53,580
Yeah, sure, awesome, okay, thank you.

1362
01:55:55,070 --> 01:56:02,630
And then the final one is a Starlink Award, and they will serve 21 locations.

1363
01:56:02,670 --> 01:56:08,170
It's a fairly small grant, but 21 fairly rural locations as well.

1364
01:56:10,620 --> 01:56:17,540
And then as I mentioned, the StopGap Solutions Program, we have about 20 locations in Chattam

1365
01:56:17,540 --> 01:56:23,040
that have already been awarded this, and about $17,000, and you'll see that, I hope you can

1366
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:29,700
see the great dots there, but those are several locations that have been awarded, and this

1367
01:56:29,700 --> 01:56:34,400
is a fairly new development over the last month or so.

1368
01:56:35,540 --> 01:56:46,380
And then finally, for you all to see our grant totals, we have, for art off, there are 3,445 locations,

1369
01:56:46,380 --> 01:56:54,960
All broadband infrastructure office awards, 6,797 locations served and then for projected

1370
01:56:54,960 --> 01:57:03,940
bead awards, 1,810 locations served and once all of these programs are completed, there

1371
01:57:03,940 --> 01:57:10,740
will be projected 186 total unserved locations left in Chattam County.

1372
01:57:10,740 --> 01:57:20,120
And just to give some context to this, I have put in a broadband profile from broadband

1373
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:29,080
profile from 2023 that noted unserved locations, 11,66 total locations, unserved.

1374
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:39,780
As you'll note, the unserved areas are in that purple blue area and to compare, this map

1375
01:57:39,780 --> 01:57:48,000
shows the broadband profile from December of 2025, once the bead awards were announced.

1376
01:57:48,180 --> 01:57:54,920
They were still projected at the time, but you'll notice that there are no more blue and

1377
01:57:56,040 --> 01:58:01,880
blue hexagons and the only locations that are unserved are in red.

1378
01:58:01,880 --> 01:58:12,200
So, there are some north of the tail there in Monkier, just north of the U.S. one sign.

1379
01:58:13,160 --> 01:58:16,100
And then there are several scattered throughout the county.

1380
01:58:17,420 --> 01:58:23,940
But as you'll see, we've went from 11,66 to 186.

1381
01:58:23,940 --> 01:58:32,480
And they're still in development, but it's a good thing to see that those unserved locations

1382
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:34,480
are falling drastically.

1383
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:40,560
So this profile shows all of those different programs altogether.

1384
01:58:40,660 --> 01:58:44,280
You'll see red is unserved unfunded.

1385
01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:52,000
The gray served locations, both blues are federal and local awards respectively, along with

1386
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:58,500
state awards in dark blue, and then the triangles are the provisional bead awards.

1387
01:58:59,980 --> 01:59:07,580
So that kind of gives you all an overview of those broadband grants and where the current

1388
01:59:07,580 --> 01:59:11,480
broadband environment sits in chat.

1389
01:59:14,050 --> 01:59:16,670
Did you all have any questions about that section?

1390
01:59:16,670 --> 01:59:38,820
I don't know the question, but that's really impressive that we've gotten that amount of coverage in the county and I do wonder, you know, how we will ever address those 186 locations because it does seem like we've gotten ahead of thrown everything at it and they're still there.

1391
01:59:38,820 --> 01:59:54,000
Yeah, and as you'll see when we get there, the digital inclusion coalition also came to that same question, so as I mentioned you all, we have some recommended updates from them.

1392
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:59,980
They decided and I'll reiterate when we get there, but that the available.

1393
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,400
Ability sections should not be touched because the longer that or the more or the less locations

1394
02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:16,400
that don't have the less locations that we have that still need to be served, the harder it's

1395
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:21,200
going to be, as you mentioned. So we're leaving that untouched and we'll continue the work

1396
02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:27,460
to try and identify and work with the NCDIT to cover them. We're hopeful that the stop-get program

1397
02:00:27,460 --> 02:00:33,680
assist heavily in that, but we're still working with NCBIT.

1398
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:37,700
I speak with Jeff Brooks at NCDIT often.

1399
02:00:38,100 --> 02:00:43,160
He actually offered to be here to speak with you all today, but I told him that if you

1400
02:00:43,160 --> 02:00:45,400
all had questions, I'd get back with him on that.

1401
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:51,820
He has been liaisoning with the NCDIT with us in the manager's office all the time, and

1402
02:00:51,820 --> 02:00:55,640
he helps a lot with different broadband issues and those sorts of things.

1403
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:59,200
So I wanted to give a plug for the IT and Jeff Brooks.

1404
02:01:01,500 --> 02:01:03,720
I want to say thank you for the presentation.

1405
02:01:04,020 --> 02:01:09,160
It was really helpful and very startling in a great way to hear that we've gone from

1406
02:01:09,160 --> 02:01:15,260
11,286 for getting access to people.

1407
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:20,240
And I wanted to thank you personally and other staff that worked on this.

1408
02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:25,620
But I remember back when I first got elected, I believe it was you that noted that

1409
02:01:25,620 --> 02:01:31,420
the tech view. I think that's the name had offered to work with us for free to basically

1410
02:01:31,420 --> 02:01:37,440
create maps down to the household of who does not have internet so that we'd be prepared

1411
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:44,660
for this. So thank you for all that you've done to not only put this together, but actually

1412
02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:49,480
actively work to move this forward. I appreciate that.

1413
02:01:49,480 --> 02:02:02,360
Yeah, and as you'll notice, the technology has gotten so much better, even just in the past couple of years and the mapping ability across the country has gotten a lot better.

1414
02:02:03,340 --> 02:02:03,840
So.

1415
02:02:04,260 --> 02:02:15,420
I know bright speech said that they're ditching DSL in the near future, and so people that aren't when they come knock and take an advantage of the fiber opportunity with them.

1416
02:02:15,420 --> 02:02:19,820
They're really going to miss out, so hopefully people are really jumping out and saying,

1417
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:21,200
yeah, give me some fiber.

1418
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:22,320
Yep, no.

1419
02:02:22,860 --> 02:02:28,380
And that's something we push folks to make sure that they contact their ISPs to see what

1420
02:02:28,380 --> 02:02:34,240
opportunities are out there, and if anybody has any questions on that, they're feel

1421
02:02:35,020 --> 02:02:41,800
for you to contact me, and I can speak with NCDIT and those folks and see what we can do,

1422
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:45,200
or if there's any close grant programs, that's what it did.

1423
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:52,160
And I don't need to bring up this specific situation, but I think, you know, we are witnessing

1424
02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:58,940
in our neighborhood houses that for some reason weren't included in the map that are on the same road.

1425
02:02:59,200 --> 02:03:04,060
And so I'm just bringing that up so that people know they can contact you,

1426
02:03:04,700 --> 02:03:08,180
or the county manager to find out ways that we can create more conversations

1427
02:03:08,180 --> 02:03:13,780
with how these contracts are being ruled out so they can get identified and hopefully added.

1428
02:03:14,500 --> 02:03:22,180
And just to add on to that, oftentimes if folks contact those ISPs, say your neighbor has it,

1429
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:28,620
but you do not. Oftentimes they call that overbuilding. They're building to the grant locations,

1430
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:34,640
but they can also, since they're a proprietary company, they could choose to serve another location.

1431
02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:42,060
So, there's often times, there's often opportunities for folks to be able to be connected, even just through their ISP.

1432
02:03:42,860 --> 02:03:46,240
So, that's a definitely an opportunity for folks to have.

1433
02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:49,900
Any other questions from board?

1434
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:52,280
I've got a couple more pieces here.

1435
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:52,940
Oh, you said.

1436
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:54,640
All right.

1437
02:03:55,540 --> 02:04:06,700
So, with that, I am going to, we have the second piece of this is that in 2024, I believe the same

1438
02:04:06,700 --> 02:04:13,600
day you all adopted the digital inclusion plan. Central Pines regional council came and gave

1439
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:18,640
a presentation on a program that they had been awarded by the Office of Digital Equity

1440
02:04:18,640 --> 02:04:26,900
and Literacy. And I want to call up Lyle Thieves from the, from Cranted Institute, they were

1441
02:04:26,900 --> 02:04:33,780
subcontracted for this award. And they are finalizing or getting ready to finalize the program.

1442
02:04:33,780 --> 02:04:41,680
And he's going to do an overview of who that program served, what it's about, and all of that good stuff.

1443
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:43,820
Just one addition here.

1444
02:04:45,300 --> 02:04:59,300
We are also a subcontractor of this grant and a separate piece is that we have received and are working to provide the technology to our both RAND Memorial,

1445
02:04:59,960 --> 02:05:04,900
gold, gold, and both centers for active living, laptops that they can teach training classes

1446
02:05:04,900 --> 02:05:10,140
on. We received $30,000 within this grant to do that. We've received the devices and

1447
02:05:10,140 --> 02:05:15,760
they should be going out to the centers to start expanding their digital literacy opportunity

1448
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:20,300
soon, but this is the big piece of the grant. So I'm going to let Lyle take it away.

1449
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:27,980
Thank you, Brent. Thank you, commissioners for having us. It's really been an honor to be

1450
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:34,500
So to be a sub-grantee for this project,

1451
02:05:34,860 --> 02:05:36,600
Kram has been doing this kind of work for a while,

1452
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:40,480
but it's just been really great to work with Kram and his colleagues

1453
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:42,600
in his office because they provided a lot of leadership

1454
02:05:42,600 --> 02:05:45,160
for us to be able to make this project successful.

1455
02:05:45,620 --> 02:05:47,160
And as he did mentioned, we are getting closer

1456
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:48,880
wrapping it up, but it is still underway.

1457
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:54,920
But to first explain a little bit about what we are,

1458
02:05:55,080 --> 02:05:56,720
if you are not familiar with Kram minutes,

1459
02:05:56,720 --> 02:06:04,100
to we're located in Durham just about half a hour down the road and what we've been doing since

1460
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:08,100
our inception these kind of first couple of pillars. So we're talking about power and digital

1461
02:06:08,100 --> 02:06:12,740
inclusion of the assertive our economy, what we really mean is we are taking donations from the

1462
02:06:12,740 --> 02:06:19,340
community, we're taking it from individuals, from municipalities, from corporations, and then we are

1463
02:06:19,340 --> 02:06:24,200
taking those materials, we are using volunteers and staff to refurbish them and then get them back

1464
02:06:24,200 --> 02:06:25,100
of the community.

1465
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:32,220
So being able to extend the life of things and extend to reduce the amount

1466
02:06:32,220 --> 02:06:36,700
of U-Waste but also be able to get these two people that can't normally afford them.

1467
02:06:36,980 --> 02:06:41,740
So that's where the increase of access to computer technology comes from. What we really

1468
02:06:41,740 --> 02:06:46,280
mean by that is since our inception we have been giving out a free desktop computer to kids

1469
02:06:46,280 --> 02:06:51,920
and grades K through 12. As an extension of that we offer low cost devices for adults, low

1470
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:58,840
and also nonprofit agencies, and not only do we provide those low costs, but we have a robust

1471
02:06:58,840 --> 02:06:59,780
tech support system.

1472
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:02,440
So we have 90 days of support in general.

1473
02:07:02,940 --> 02:07:08,060
Plus there are always a client of ours, and they can use our tech service and repair services

1474
02:07:08,060 --> 02:07:10,440
that are much more affordable than anything in the private sector.

1475
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:14,760
But when it comes to the student computers, that's, we support that until they graduate high school.

1476
02:07:14,920 --> 02:07:16,280
So we're able to provide that.

1477
02:07:16,940 --> 02:07:18,600
So that's what we've been doing for a long time.

1478
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:23,360
as grandparents institute, a little over 12 years ago, we started doing education programming.

1479
02:07:23,860 --> 02:07:29,040
So we had a variety of workshops, different tech topics, overviews of computers and windows

1480
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:30,300
and things like that.

1481
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:36,180
That eventually evolved into our computer basics program where we're providing and iteratively

1482
02:07:36,180 --> 02:07:43,680
working on curriculum for adult users, as well as serving youth and students and after school

1483
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:45,420
programs and camps.

1484
02:07:45,420 --> 02:07:50,220
but where we come in and for this project is specifically serving that adult-facing community.

1485
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:56,220
We have been doing this on-site at our location in Durham for many years, but we also have

1486
02:07:56,220 --> 02:08:00,620
a training training program where interested agencies, people that want our curriculum and

1487
02:08:00,620 --> 02:08:05,060
our devices can come to approach us and, you know, we've done that in a few different iterations

1488
02:08:05,060 --> 02:08:11,360
over the years, but in recent times with, you know, the challenges highlighted with COVID, a lot

1489
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:16,620
organizations, councils of government, for instance, municipalities have come to us and we're able

1490
02:08:16,620 --> 02:08:20,440
to take that model that we have and expand it through a trained trainer model.

1491
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:27,840
So to give an overview of our version of this project, as Brittany was saying, the central

1492
02:08:28,500 --> 02:08:34,980
pines, regional council was given a security grant and we were a sub-grantee and the project

1493
02:08:34,980 --> 02:08:41,500
itself was to serve 1,000 individuals with training and devices, so roughly divided between

1494
02:08:41,500 --> 02:08:46,520
Durham and Chatham counties, and I'll be speaking specifically about Chatham County's success

1495
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:47,220
here today.

1496
02:08:47,780 --> 02:08:53,680
But our role in this project was that Cramden coordinated the program delivery, so we developed

1497
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:57,840
the curriculum, again, iteratively over the years, slightly customized, excuse me.

1498
02:08:58,120 --> 02:09:06,000
For this project, we threw introductions, but maintaining partner relationships, coordinating

1499
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:10,760
with different organizations, and then these organizations would then refer instructors

1500
02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:14,280
that we would come to our office, we would train them on the curriculum, and then support them,

1501
02:09:14,420 --> 02:09:17,960
work on scheduling, working with the different organizations, as well as delivering the

1502
02:09:17,960 --> 02:09:24,240
computers to the different sites. Speaking of the sites, a lot of these various agencies

1503
02:09:24,240 --> 02:09:31,100
and facilities were where we would host the sites, and the community-based organizations were

1504
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:35,660
integral in recruiting participants and learners from their respective communities come

1505
02:09:35,660 --> 02:09:38,780
there. So I want to say again, we could not have done this, and we never could do the work

1506
02:09:38,780 --> 02:09:43,120
we do without these partnerships and these advocates that we have.

1507
02:09:50,610 --> 02:09:55,830
So our initial target in Shadow County was 500 residents, as of early this month when we

1508
02:09:55,830 --> 02:09:59,150
provided the information for this presentation, this was our current number, so it may have

1509
02:09:59,150 --> 02:10:04,270
increased slightly from now, but we have been able to expand that, it's been really great

1510
02:10:04,270 --> 02:10:04,890
for us.

1511
02:10:05,190 --> 02:10:10,030
I could say, in some part, for the efficiency of how we would deliver the program, but again,

1512
02:10:10,850 --> 02:10:14,750
that engagement enthusiasm from the partners and being able to reach out to the different

1513
02:10:14,750 --> 02:10:18,570
populations and communities that they're already serving and getting those people in the

1514
02:10:18,570 --> 02:10:24,450
classes. That's really how this was made possible. Out of the curriculum that we provided,

1515
02:10:24,710 --> 02:10:29,610
we had two main four-hour courses. We had a computer essentials for new users, which is designed

1516
02:10:29,610 --> 02:10:35,090
for those with little to no experience. So that was the majority of the program that we offered.

1517
02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:39,870
We'd also translate it into Spanish and do have a couple of bilingual instructors who are

1518
02:10:39,870 --> 02:10:44,670
delivering that material. In a slightly more targeted sense, we used a computer skills

1519
02:10:44,670 --> 02:10:49,070
for job seekers curriculum, which is designed for those that already have a little bit of experience

1520
02:10:49,070 --> 02:10:52,810
with computers, you know, maybe aren't at the very base of the level.

1521
02:10:52,830 --> 02:10:57,850
And I say it basic level, you know, sometimes folks have never used a mouse before, right?

1522
02:10:59,270 --> 02:11:04,570
So we need some, for the computer skills for job seekers, it's folks that have a little bit

1523
02:11:04,570 --> 02:11:09,790
more experience, so we can really tailor the workforce development side of that to those clients.

1524
02:11:09,790 --> 02:11:29,030
So, we did not offer those as often, but they were very targeted because we didn't want to be in a situation to provide this workforce to develop this workforce related curriculum and then have people at the very basic level because it's difficult to adjust that quality based on that sort of mix class experience.

1525
02:11:30,690 --> 02:11:41,010
So, talk a little bit about the populations that we served, many residents belong to one

1526
02:11:41,010 --> 02:11:45,910
or more of these target populations that were a part of the grant, so you can see some

1527
02:11:45,910 --> 02:11:53,070
of the larger numbers being language barrier, low-income, rural 60-plus years old, and you

1528
02:11:53,070 --> 02:11:57,730
can see by the map that we were able to distribute these classes throughout Chattam County.

1529
02:11:57,730 --> 02:12:02,970
We'll look a little more focused in the Cyber City and Pittsburgh areas, but through these

1530
02:12:02,970 --> 02:12:07,590
partnerships, and again, I want to say we had some partnerships with the libraries, with

1531
02:12:07,590 --> 02:12:12,710
the aging agencies, and then a couple of nonprofits, namely chat and literacy, who had a lot

1532
02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:16,070
of relationships and anchors in the community.

1533
02:12:16,230 --> 02:12:19,710
So we were able to go to some of these faith-based organizations, some of these smart-measness

1534
02:12:19,710 --> 02:12:22,510
disparities, and try to distribute its best as we could.

1535
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:35,080
At of all the different host sites, we had 19 unique sites, and if you notice on the left-hand side, the majority of these offered more than one iteration.

1536
02:12:36,940 --> 02:12:48,720
So we were able to, yeah, it's great to have a site that you've already know works and you already, and so much to work we do is through word of mouth, so people tell their neighbor to tell their friend, we get more signups that way.

1537
02:12:53,930 --> 02:12:59,070
And this is by no means an exhaustive breakdown of some bar data, this is just sort of a snapshot.

1538
02:13:00,030 --> 02:13:03,030
But I want to talk about a little bit of these highlights here.

1539
02:13:04,670 --> 02:13:10,850
So you can see, in terms of gender, the majority of our participants did respond as identifies female.

1540
02:13:11,590 --> 02:13:18,110
And on the right hand side of the age range, almost half identified as 65 or over.

1541
02:13:18,110 --> 02:13:23,810
and a lot more than half are kind of more in that working age range of 18 to 64.

1542
02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:35,480
In terms of how people identify by race, you can see 60 percent identified as African-American,

1543
02:13:36,560 --> 02:13:41,940
closer to a quarter as white, and then some smaller subsections as well as those who prefer not to answer.

1544
02:13:42,620 --> 02:13:49,740
One thing that should be noted here that we didn't quite break out is that through kind of a quirk in the way census questions are asked

1545
02:13:49,740 --> 02:14:02,520
that the Spanish-speaking population will often skip the race question, but answer the yes or no question to belong to a Hispanic or Latino country of origin.

1546
02:14:03,400 --> 02:14:12,220
So to kind of give more context for that, out of the classes that we had, we provided 11 in Spanish language and a class average of about 14.

1547
02:14:12,220 --> 02:14:20,200
So we're talking about roughly 150 people out of that 650 five number as of this as of this data provided

1548
02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:32,640
These five topics here really are about how we measure we do an assessment beginning of class

1549
02:14:33,120 --> 02:14:39,620
Pre-survey based on confidence. We use a liquor scale of one through five to determine what people's confidence level is

1550
02:14:39,620 --> 02:14:40,800
We're not looking for mastery

1551
02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:44,860
we're not quizzing them, we're trying to see how confident they feel about certain topics.

1552
02:14:45,400 --> 02:14:49,240
So, the second item there is kind of an overall confidence question, whereas the other

1553
02:14:49,240 --> 02:14:53,120
four are specific, sort of, section of the two different programs offer.

1554
02:14:53,820 --> 02:14:58,900
What you should really see is the blue lines, they all hover around somewhere between 2.5 and 3 as

1555
02:14:58,900 --> 02:14:59,780
the initial response.

1556
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,980
And by the end of the class, there are upwards of 3.9, 4.3. So we are seeing a significant movement in terms of really self-reporting confidence.

1557
02:15:13,340 --> 02:15:19,540
And then on this question, the computer proficiency, this is a question that we asked across the board, what is your overall confidence using the computer?

1558
02:15:20,380 --> 02:15:30,760
So the way we came to this answer right here is if anyone in the post-serving, so after the course is completed, if they answered a four or five for the general confidence level, that's how their mark is the yes.

1559
02:15:30,760 --> 02:15:38,560
So close to 70% of our respondents did report actual proficiency or confidence in that.

1560
02:15:42,500 --> 02:15:47,440
And while some of these numbers, I mean, we all look at quality and we need to go and report

1561
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:52,080
these things, but there's really no substitute for some of the actual real effects on people.

1562
02:15:52,540 --> 02:15:56,320
So if I can, I'd like to just read a few comments from some of the actual written responses

1563
02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:57,580
that people have from class.

1564
02:15:58,740 --> 02:16:03,980
So one is, I'm grateful for this opportunity to improve my computer abilities.

1565
02:16:03,980 --> 02:16:05,380
feel more comfortable.

1566
02:16:07,640 --> 02:16:11,780
Keep up the good work as Paula, one of our instructors, highlighted,

1567
02:16:11,780 --> 02:16:16,640
electronics are here to stay, making them useful, safe, and beneficial are seriously

1568
02:16:16,640 --> 02:16:22,420
important goals. Thanks. This is good one. Thank you for teaching me how to use a computer

1569
02:16:22,420 --> 02:16:23,500
I never had one.

1570
02:16:26,830 --> 02:16:30,290
You did a great job, timing was perfect. We were made to feel comfortable

1571
02:16:30,290 --> 02:16:34,430
and welcome, even the less knowledgeable participants were not made to feel like they were in

1572
02:16:34,430 --> 02:16:40,690
with. Thank you. And another one, I thoroughly enjoyed the course and learned a lot from taking it.

1573
02:16:40,910 --> 02:16:44,930
I wouldn't have been able to afford one, afford a computer reader. Thank you so much.

1574
02:16:45,410 --> 02:16:49,550
And I could really keep going on. Some of the comments that I didn't bring up are the ones that asked

1575
02:16:49,550 --> 02:16:54,390
from more classes. They wouldn't have weren't more. So I'm happy to say that through sort of the

1576
02:16:54,390 --> 02:16:59,110
efficiency of what we've been doing and the enthusiasm of a lot of our partners, we have an

1577
02:16:59,110 --> 02:17:04,930
One-site model, what we call a digital navigation, where we can help people with their sort of

1578
02:17:04,930 --> 02:17:11,450
acute idea needs for dealing with computer issues, not tech support, but just like how do I,

1579
02:17:11,450 --> 02:17:15,110
fill out a job application, how do I work with my resume, how do I learn more?

1580
02:17:16,110 --> 02:17:20,050
So we have that on-site, we have five locations in Durham as a part of another project that

1581
02:17:20,050 --> 02:17:24,170
we are piloting, and we are actually bringing that over here to Chattam County to try to

1582
02:17:24,170 --> 02:17:27,750
offer that as a continuation as a supplement to the work that we are already doing here.

1583
02:17:27,750 --> 02:17:33,010
So more on that to come, but that is kind of like what we're doing with the end funds of this project.

1584
02:17:36,480 --> 02:17:40,900
So I'm happy to answer any questions, but I'll just again, I want to thank Britain's office.

1585
02:17:41,440 --> 02:17:43,620
Everyone that's been here for this.

1586
02:17:44,660 --> 02:17:48,900
And if anyone is in the Durham area and wants to stop by, we can provide tours.

1587
02:17:49,080 --> 02:17:53,840
I mean, notice this nice, but we're happy to show you around a little bit.

1588
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:56,160
It's been written a great part of this project, so.

1589
02:17:56,380 --> 02:17:57,020
Thank you.

1590
02:17:59,120 --> 02:17:59,520
Any questions?

1591
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:08,420
I would just an addition there, each of the participants got a free laptop after, but they received it.

1592
02:18:08,640 --> 02:18:10,660
Say that, I'm just kidding if he did so.

1593
02:18:11,400 --> 02:18:14,940
And can you remind us where can people donate laptops?

1594
02:18:17,260 --> 02:18:17,340
Yeah.

1595
02:18:18,120 --> 02:18:23,640
You can come as an individual, but as far as larger donations, we actually will come pick them up.

1596
02:18:23,800 --> 02:18:28,860
I don't think Shadow managed to far away could depend, but it depends on the nature of the design of donation.

1597
02:18:28,860 --> 02:18:34,300
But definitely reach out to us, so when it goes directly with the corporate and kind of business relationship.

1598
02:18:35,220 --> 02:18:36,860
Great, so they can reach out to you.

1599
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:38,640
That's a done thing.

1600
02:18:42,060 --> 02:18:42,280
Perfect.

1601
02:18:42,860 --> 02:18:45,900
So I've got, thank you, Lyle, for again.

1602
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:49,120
And so I've got one more thing for you all.

1603
02:18:49,820 --> 02:19:01,140
As I mentioned earlier, we are the digital inclusion coalition met in February and recommended a few items.

1604
02:19:01,140 --> 02:19:16,140
And we went through the process of getting information and everything from the coalition on how they wanted to update the plan since in the plan it notes a year requirement for review.

1605
02:19:17,080 --> 02:19:21,640
We completed that review and wanted to bring back to you all a couple of recommended updates.

1606
02:19:21,640 --> 02:19:33,060
Just as a reminder, our coalition members are managers office, libraries, diversion and advocacy, aging services, CCCC, the public schools,

1607
02:19:33,240 --> 02:19:42,120
Chattam County Public Schools, Innovate Chattam County Cooperative Extension, Chattam Literacy, and right here right now project.

1608
02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:49,960
So a bunch of different organizations with different functions that are coming together to work on digital inclusion items.

1609
02:19:49,960 --> 02:19:53,860
And so, I'm just going to go through these briefly,

1610
02:19:56,080 --> 02:19:59,380
and if you are all are amenable to these updates,

1611
02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:06,640
staff will take the motion and incorporate the recommended edits into the plan through an addendum.

1612
02:20:07,620 --> 02:20:16,200
So I don't have a red line version for you all right now, but we'll add an addendum at the end that just says what the changes are for the 2026.

1613
02:20:17,460 --> 02:20:25,240
So, just a quick overview of our current availability goals, create better broadband mapping across

1614
02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:31,220
Chatham County, coordinate increased connectivity for unserved areas, and promote improved

1615
02:20:31,220 --> 02:20:35,640
connectivity and stability of broadband connections. I won't go through all of our strategies.

1616
02:20:36,220 --> 02:20:39,840
You'll see my edits are the edits when we get there.

1617
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:46,740
But for availability, I think I mentioned it earlier, but we are not recommending that the

1618
02:20:46,740 --> 02:20:53,080
digital inclusion coalition is not recommending any updates or changes due to the conversation

1619
02:20:53,080 --> 02:21:01,360
we had earlier where the fewer that we recognize that there is a growth in broadband availability

1620
02:21:01,360 --> 02:21:06,840
in chat room, but locations that remain without broadband access may face increased challenges

1621
02:21:06,840 --> 02:21:09,380
is once grant funding and state and federal

1622
02:21:09,380 --> 02:21:11,060
occupants are no longer available.

1623
02:21:11,720 --> 02:21:14,380
Because of this, the coalition emphasized

1624
02:21:14,380 --> 02:21:17,040
the continued need to focus on broadband availability

1625
02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:20,420
and to continue pursuing goals outlined in the section.

1626
02:21:21,460 --> 02:21:23,600
So they're not recommending any changes.

1627
02:21:23,780 --> 02:21:26,040
Obviously, if you all feel that any changes

1628
02:21:26,040 --> 02:21:29,020
should be made, please let me know.

1629
02:21:29,680 --> 02:21:31,560
And then we can make those changes as necessary.

1630
02:21:32,900 --> 02:21:40,440
For access, there's a few four goals in the sections, so increase equitable communications

1631
02:21:40,440 --> 02:21:45,740
for in the communities around affordability services, expand access to digital devices,

1632
02:21:46,420 --> 02:21:51,160
increase access to internet connectivity in public spaces, and then increase hotspot availability.

1633
02:21:53,100 --> 02:22:01,340
There are several recommended changes in the access section, so the first being strategy

1634
02:22:01,340 --> 02:22:07,700
1, advertise state and federal discount programs to assist in need residents to afford Internet

1635
02:22:07,700 --> 02:22:13,720
subscriptions, if these programs return in the future, adding. Additionally, advise residents

1636
02:22:13,720 --> 02:22:18,360
to discuss what their Internet Service providers, the availability of discount programs.

1637
02:22:18,580 --> 02:22:23,660
We kind of had that discussion earlier. The coalition wanted to make that change since those

1638
02:22:23,660 --> 02:22:29,120
programs have gone away, and just adding in if these programs return in the future.

1639
02:22:30,180 --> 02:22:40,080
So that's that change, the second change is and a change to work with partners, to identify

1640
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:46,700
the survey homes with little or no computer access, that change that used to say chat

1641
02:22:46,700 --> 02:22:51,480
and county public schools, but there are many other partners other than just the schools

1642
02:22:51,480 --> 02:22:57,280
that we can work with to survey these households, so we wanted to make sure that everybody

1643
02:22:57,280 --> 02:22:59,580
was represented rather than just the schools.

1644
02:23:01,340 --> 02:23:03,800
And then you'll see a strategy 5.4.

1645
02:23:04,460 --> 02:23:07,160
Work with partners to facilitate an increased allocation

1646
02:23:07,160 --> 02:23:11,220
of hotspots in the county, with the objective of assisting residents

1647
02:23:11,220 --> 02:23:14,660
that would have difficulties otherwise accessing a broadband

1648
02:23:14,660 --> 02:23:15,820
or network connection.

1649
02:23:16,700 --> 02:23:22,380
And as you'll note, this goal was previously goal 7.

1650
02:23:22,760 --> 02:23:25,680
We're just removing that goal entirely and moving it

1651
02:23:25,680 --> 02:23:34,040
to goal 5 as we recognize that we didn't necessarily need to be as specific about who

1652
02:23:34,040 --> 02:23:41,060
loaned out the hotspots or provided them, and we could lean on partners again to assist us in

1653
02:23:41,060 --> 02:23:46,540
that. That don't have the same stipulations as a government entity like the public libraries would.

1654
02:23:48,810 --> 02:23:58,010
So those are access changes that are recommended and then finally for our adoption changes

1655
02:23:58,010 --> 02:24:03,950
first the few goals are increased digital literacy learning across the county,

1656
02:24:04,310 --> 02:24:09,470
create a digital inclusion steering committee, establish a workforce development program

1657
02:24:09,470 --> 02:24:13,770
and broadband related fields and then create events celebrating digital inclusion.

1658
02:24:14,990 --> 02:24:33,590
The main couple of changes in this section as well, effectively in strategy 8.1, communicate and expand the availability of existing digital literacy training and courses, including training on generative AI and data privacy.

1659
02:24:34,230 --> 02:24:42,630
So adding in some of those emerging technologies into the plan, so that we're explicitly saying that this is something that we would like to do,

1660
02:24:42,630 --> 02:24:48,970
that the public should be aware of due to some of those implications on privacy and also

1661
02:24:48,970 --> 02:24:57,890
Gen AI becoming new, becoming a more robust technology over the course of that this year.

1662
02:24:59,410 --> 02:25:09,870
And then the second change for goal 9, instead of a navigator core, we are the coalition

1663
02:25:09,870 --> 02:25:13,690
is recommending the creation of a digital inclusion working group.

1664
02:25:14,970 --> 02:25:21,290
As Lyle mentioned, we have a working group of partners for that program along with the coalition

1665
02:25:21,290 --> 02:25:21,970
itself.

1666
02:25:22,750 --> 02:25:28,470
So seeing how we can merge some of those two groups get all of the right folks in the room

1667
02:25:28,470 --> 02:25:34,190
to talk for digital inclusion initiatives, whether it be quarterly or still exploring what

1668
02:25:34,190 --> 02:25:41,070
may look like, but we thought it'd be a better idea rather than setting a standard, navigator

1669
02:25:41,070 --> 02:25:45,830
core, where we have specific positions and those sorts of things, expand it broader and

1670
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:54,650
create a working group with all folks. That way, if an initiative comes up or an opportunity

1671
02:25:54,650 --> 02:26:02,030
comes up, we can capitalize on that with the working group. And so those were the changes that

1672
02:26:02,030 --> 02:26:06,490
we have for that the coalition recommended for this year.

1673
02:26:07,290 --> 02:26:13,610
If you all are amenable to them, I do have a motion, but I wanted to see if you all had

1674
02:26:13,610 --> 02:26:16,470
any questions before I kind of breeze their devs.

1675
02:26:20,160 --> 02:26:20,560
I like it.

1676
02:26:20,580 --> 02:26:28,520
I'm curious to link this back to the Digital Broadband Expansion programs that you have reviewed

1677
02:26:28,520 --> 02:26:29,440
for us.

1678
02:26:29,440 --> 02:26:37,220
What do you think was the benefit or the value of having a digital inclusion plan in able to get all of that?

1679
02:26:37,360 --> 02:26:40,380
Is there a relationship in your minds or is there not?

1680
02:26:41,500 --> 02:26:43,300
So there is a relationship.

1681
02:26:43,440 --> 02:26:50,500
I think having that directive from the elected body to really push forward on that, it would be

1682
02:26:50,500 --> 02:26:55,560
work we would do anyway due to infrastructure expansion within Shadow County, but just having

1683
02:26:55,560 --> 02:27:04,760
a concrete plan for increase of mapping services, increase of working with the community.

1684
02:27:05,300 --> 02:27:11,740
It gave us the, I believe it gave us the push to move faster and quicker on this.

1685
02:27:12,200 --> 02:27:19,720
So the, I think the plan helps to expedite working with those programs and has direct goals

1686
02:27:19,720 --> 02:27:29,760
that we are working through in order to do that, for instance, and we also through the plan

1687
02:27:29,760 --> 02:27:34,980
know the things that aren't as feasible, like we've worked through libraries to discuss

1688
02:27:34,980 --> 02:27:40,060
hotspots and those sorts of things. They're just not as feasible for libraries, due to some

1689
02:27:40,060 --> 02:27:45,620
operational impacts and those sorts of things. And it just gives us a good way to hold ourselves

1690
02:27:45,620 --> 02:27:48,080
accountable for these types of initiatives.

1691
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:50,180
Thank you.

1692
02:27:50,500 --> 02:27:50,600
Absolutely.

1693
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:54,300
Wow.

1694
02:27:54,560 --> 02:28:00,600
This is so impressive and so important and I'm really grateful for all the work that everyone

1695
02:28:00,600 --> 02:28:18,040
has done to try and pull this off to make this an opportunity for residents here in

1696
02:28:18,040 --> 02:28:18,360
Thank you.

1697
02:28:18,660 --> 02:28:19,420
The motion passes.

1698
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:24,050
Okay.

1699
02:28:24,330 --> 02:28:27,270
Now we are at Item 262-5-8.

1700
02:28:27,470 --> 02:28:36,930
To go into closed session, pursuant to 1-4-3-3-1-8.11-8-3 to consult with an attorney

1701
02:28:36,930 --> 02:28:42,350
retained by the county in order to preserve the attorney-client privilege and to consider

1702
02:28:42,350 --> 02:28:49,890
and give instructions to an attorney concerning and handling of settlement of ECO-TIP

1703
02:28:49,890 --> 02:28:56,410
Ego tip West L.C.V. Chad, I'm county. Do I have a motion to go into closed session?

1704
02:28:56,790 --> 02:28:58,370
Simult in a second.

1705
02:28:58,870 --> 02:28:59,010
Second.

1706
02:28:59,390 --> 02:29:00,030
All in favour?

1707
02:29:00,510 --> 02:29:01,550
All in favour?

1708
02:29:03,510 --> 02:29:03,990
It's past.

1709
03:46:48,080 --> 03:46:54,480
I just wanted to make a quick announcement if you would like to speak at public comment or public hearing tonight.

1710
03:46:55,260 --> 03:46:58,420
You need to sign up first with me, my hands in the air.

1711
03:55:40,650 --> 03:55:48,670
Ladies and gentlemen, if anyone else wants to sign up for public hearing or public comment to share last call, thanks.

1712
04:00:09,070 --> 04:00:21,390
All right, it is 6 o'clock. And I will call to order the Chattam County Board of Commissioners meeting on May 18, 6 p.m.

1713
04:00:21,870 --> 04:00:29,830
A regular session tonight. And I would like for everyone to please pause for a moment of silence. Thank you.

1714
04:00:38,930 --> 04:00:40,890
Now can we please stand for the pledge of allegiance.

1715
04:00:43,800 --> 04:00:51,080
Why do we let you to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which

1716
04:00:51,080 --> 04:00:58,960
it stands, one nation under God, and the invisible with liberty and justice for all?

1717
04:01:03,650 --> 04:01:04,560
Thank you.

1718
04:01:08,560 --> 04:01:13,700
Are there any additions, deletions, or corrections to the regular session agenda?

1719
04:01:16,320 --> 04:01:22,020
Madam Chair, given the afternoon's earlier conversation, I want to come back to and

1720
04:01:22,020 --> 04:01:27,980
repropose the idea of having a brief overview from the county attorney on the updated rules

1721
04:01:27,980 --> 04:01:32,740
of procedure that we have adopted for ourselves, going through the basics of that and just

1722
04:01:32,740 --> 04:01:37,840
having a joint opportunity, though, learn from the county attorney and from each other

1723
04:01:37,840 --> 04:01:40,640
on some of the key points of conducting things under our rules.

1724
04:01:43,300 --> 04:01:49,640
Thank you, Commissioner Delaney, is there a second to the motion of adding a discussion

1725
04:01:49,640 --> 04:01:54,060
of rules and procedures by the county attorney to tonight's agenda.

1726
04:01:57,020 --> 04:01:59,420
Hearing none, the motion fails.

1727
04:02:01,940 --> 04:02:04,600
Is there a motion to approve tonight's agenda?

1728
04:02:05,000 --> 04:02:05,340
So, move.

1729
04:02:05,880 --> 04:02:06,100
Second.

1730
04:02:07,120 --> 04:02:07,620
All in favor.

1731
04:02:08,360 --> 04:02:08,620
All right.

1732
04:02:08,920 --> 04:02:08,960
All right.

1733
04:02:08,960 --> 04:02:09,260
All right.

1734
04:02:10,060 --> 04:02:10,680
Thank you.

1735
04:02:11,040 --> 04:02:12,380
The agenda has passed.

1736
04:02:13,620 --> 04:02:13,900
All right.

1737
04:02:14,820 --> 04:02:21,920
Next up is approval of the Consentant Agenda, is there a motion to approve tonight's

1738
04:02:21,920 --> 04:02:22,800
consent agenda?

1739
04:02:22,980 --> 04:02:23,220
Hello.

1740
04:02:23,820 --> 04:02:24,080
Second.

1741
04:02:24,800 --> 04:02:25,320
All in favour?

1742
04:02:25,960 --> 04:02:26,260
All right.

1743
04:02:27,000 --> 04:02:27,240
Great.

1744
04:02:27,400 --> 04:02:28,000
Thank you.

1745
04:02:28,580 --> 04:02:31,160
Consent Agenda has also been approved.

1746
04:02:33,340 --> 04:02:37,680
Next on the agenda is something I think everyone's going to like.

1747
04:02:37,680 --> 04:02:44,700
item 2600 to 34, we're going to screen the film and vote to adopt a resolution, recognizing

1748
04:02:44,700 --> 04:02:52,340
Jordan Wiley for his student film, the story of George Moses Korton and for representing

1749
04:02:52,340 --> 04:02:59,480
Chetam County at the North Carolina Association of County Commissioners, 100 strong production

1750
04:02:59,480 --> 04:03:01,000
student film festival.

1751
04:03:06,730 --> 04:03:10,430
Good evening. Jordan was going to be here,

1752
04:03:11,510 --> 04:03:14,690
But he's not yet, but hopefully he'll be here

1753
04:03:14,690 --> 04:03:17,190
by the time we finish screening this video.

1754
04:03:46,780 --> 04:03:48,120
I'm a sad little cast aside.

1755
04:03:48,820 --> 04:03:50,760
I'm on this fortune's rugged time.

1756
04:03:51,280 --> 04:03:53,500
With the world, my pain is direct forever.

1757
04:03:54,480 --> 04:03:56,600
First I dwell in slavery's night,

1758
04:03:56,900 --> 04:03:59,920
and all pleasure takes its flight far beyond my feet

1759
04:03:59,920 --> 04:04:01,020
and is so forever.

1760
04:04:12,780 --> 04:04:15,060
Man, I think George Moses Horton has impacted

1761
04:04:15,060 --> 04:04:17,420
Channel County in a lot of ways.

1762
04:04:17,540 --> 04:04:19,560
I mean, I think it gives us time, he gives us

1763
04:04:19,560 --> 04:04:25,580
legacy gives us time to sit back and reflect upon all the hard work of the

1764
04:04:25,580 --> 04:04:31,820
termination, the innovative spirit, the determination that he had to overcome.

1765
04:04:32,400 --> 04:04:37,400
He had a goal and a dream and a vision, and he worked to make those things come

1766
04:04:37,400 --> 04:04:37,940
to pass.

1767
04:04:38,300 --> 04:04:46,520
The first African American author of his day is tremendous, and so I feel like his impact

1768
04:04:46,520 --> 04:04:53,020
kind of stands today and we get to reference him and we're far back to all the things that

1769
04:04:53,020 --> 04:04:57,180
he accomplished as we move forward today in Chalamet County.

1770
04:04:57,980 --> 04:05:03,560
One thing that I think we can learn from George Mothers Point and story is I feel he had

1771
04:05:03,560 --> 04:05:16,280
a goal, he knew what he wanted his life to be, he knew where he wanted to go, and he is a

1772
04:05:17,840 --> 04:05:23,280
So, I almost feel like we have those challenges every day on a lesser standpoint.

1773
04:05:24,240 --> 04:05:26,980
I can't imagine like the things that he faced.

1774
04:05:28,360 --> 04:05:34,500
But just learning that when you have that goal in mind, you have that drive work for it,

1775
04:05:34,640 --> 04:05:39,760
get to know people, verbal relationships, use your gifts, and then good things will happen.

1776
04:05:39,760 --> 04:06:10,060
his family lived with the women for his family, and he lived with his mother and he had brother and three sisters, and they, the functional plane out there, as far as fertility, and so his master moved his family, and all the enslaved people to child counting where there was more fertility.

1777
04:06:10,060 --> 04:06:16,060
So, he would have been three years old when he moved to town in County.

1778
04:06:16,440 --> 04:06:23,160
It's hard to know whether they walked or lived in a wagon, but it would have been a long way to go.

1779
04:06:24,600 --> 04:06:29,340
And he arrived with the family in 1800.

1780
04:06:30,020 --> 04:06:37,680
On his own, when he was a little older, he got hold of a Methodist him and all I believe it was.

1781
04:06:37,680 --> 04:06:44,760
and he loved the rhymes, of course, they would have had some kind of church and he loved

1782
04:06:44,760 --> 04:06:55,060
the rhymes and the songs, and he made up poems himself as a young man and made them rhyme

1783
04:06:55,060 --> 04:06:57,140
and they sounded like Methodists, too.

1784
04:06:58,660 --> 04:07:01,560
So he had that kind of influence.

1785
04:07:01,560 --> 04:07:14,400
He did not have access to Bumstery, he did not have access to any kind of formal teaching and there was nobody to take him under their wing.

1786
04:07:15,620 --> 04:07:25,920
And Littersee was found on his not only gold, but he was in a place that was close enough.

1787
04:07:25,920 --> 04:07:34,920
let's use, but nine miles to Chapel Hill is the original farm where they lived and they would have gone all kinds of crops

1788
04:07:34,920 --> 04:07:46,880
probably something else can tell me more about that, but then he was about 20, he started to walk to Chapel Hill and so fruits and vegetables

1789
04:07:46,880 --> 04:07:52,840
at the farmers market that was specific to set up for UNC students. All of them,

1790
04:07:55,030 --> 04:07:56,310
and he became

1791
04:07:58,230 --> 04:08:04,830
somebody who wanted to show off a little bit, and he so he showed off his poems, and he

1792
04:08:04,830 --> 04:08:11,410
went them out or formed them aloud, and the students were really fascinated with him.

1793
04:08:17,970 --> 04:08:18,590
He

1794
04:08:18,590 --> 04:08:25,450
and so on, 75 if it was really long and good and, you know, had both names and so on.

1795
04:08:25,750 --> 04:08:31,810
So here's making pretty good money for that time, my, um, some scholars say up to $5 a week.

1796
04:08:33,270 --> 04:08:40,990
He loved the idea of giving his freedom and he started saving his money to purchase his freedom.

1797
04:08:40,990 --> 04:08:51,070
And he did an ally on campus, so faculty wife named Caroline Lee Hence, and she was fascinated by his talent,

1798
04:08:51,390 --> 04:08:59,050
and she was a writer, a fiction writer, and she helped him learn how to actually write down his work,

1799
04:08:59,290 --> 04:09:06,430
and coached him on his poetry, and helped him put together a book of poems that could be sold by a subscription,

1800
04:09:07,470 --> 04:09:13,850
All the hope of liberty, and the idea was for his minifuance on the U.S. campus to purchase,

1801
04:09:14,550 --> 04:09:19,630
and it advanced copies of the book, and save up money to buy his freedom.

1802
04:09:21,800 --> 04:09:31,610
He was able to arrange to have more free time and stay on campus in lighter years,

1803
04:09:32,270 --> 04:09:38,190
and in that case he really had to pay to make up for his time that he would have been working on the farm.

1804
04:09:38,190 --> 04:10:00,290
So, he had that was a really common exchange at the time of a particular talent, so everyone likes it, and his case of poet, and if you could make money, a person who was in charge of you, he would like to receive that money, perhaps instead of just an ordinary task of attending to cows.

1805
04:10:01,010 --> 04:10:06,370
So, he was able to keep some of my, that it was a fixed right to be away from the farm.

1806
04:10:16,900 --> 04:10:26,580
Being of myself in need of the inspiring strains of each and all, my heart to lift, my empty mind to feed and all of the world.

1807
04:10:40,690 --> 04:10:49,190
I want Ms. Valencia to whom I was principal here. She was really determined that the students here at George Moses Horton, formerly Horton Middle School.

1808
04:10:49,510 --> 04:10:55,810
She was determined that they walked in awareness of the history and the culture of this school.

1809
04:10:55,810 --> 04:11:05,590
She won the community to know and she won her students to know the important legacy that George Moses Horton had in his impact and so I think it was 2016

1810
04:11:06,370 --> 04:11:11,770
Was the first celebration of George Moses Horton day. She was able to get it down tight

1811
04:11:11,770 --> 04:11:13,590
Who is the author of

1812
04:11:13,590 --> 04:11:16,530
My first original George Moses Horton to come

1813
04:11:16,530 --> 04:11:19,010
I'm talking about why he chose to write the book

1814
04:11:19,010 --> 04:11:26,050
had some historical conversations, and that's a tradition that we've kept that now for eight years.

1815
04:11:26,410 --> 04:11:33,050
It can show students who come into Hartman's school, my way of his impact and all the things that he contributed.

1816
04:11:33,310 --> 04:11:40,990
But also in the making sure that students at the elementary level, students around the state understand the legacy and the impact of George Moses Horton,

1817
04:11:41,390 --> 04:11:47,930
the first black author, and just all the things that he contributed to our state and our nation.

1818
04:11:50,400 --> 04:11:52,760
Today of separation is at hand.

1819
04:11:53,380 --> 04:11:55,520
Imagination lives her blooming curtains,

1820
04:11:56,080 --> 04:11:59,020
like evenings mantle at the light of day,

1821
04:11:59,320 --> 04:12:01,580
through which the trimmling pinnacle we spy

1822
04:12:01,580 --> 04:12:05,040
on which we soon must stand with hopeful smiles,

1823
04:12:05,900 --> 04:12:06,820
or apprehending flowers

1824
04:12:09,120 --> 04:12:11,640
on the right, and left.

1825
04:12:50,070 --> 04:12:52,410
The story of George Moses Wharton created

1826
04:12:52,410 --> 04:12:54,750
by Ted and Canny's student filmmaker Jordan Wiley

1827
04:12:54,750 --> 04:12:55,910
and was recently featured

1828
04:12:55,910 --> 04:12:58,970
at the North Carolina Association of Canny Commissioners

1829
04:12:58,970 --> 04:13:01,370
a 100-strong production student film festival.

1830
04:13:02,070 --> 04:13:04,070
The film is an award-winning short documentary

1831
04:13:04,070 --> 04:13:06,790
exploring the life of the enslaved Tatum County

1832
04:13:06,790 --> 04:13:08,570
poet George Moses Horton.

1833
04:13:09,090 --> 04:13:11,730
He became the first black author published in the South.

1834
04:13:12,210 --> 04:13:14,250
The film utilizes reenactments to highlight

1835
04:13:14,250 --> 04:13:17,670
Horton's resilience, his secret literacy,

1836
04:13:18,410 --> 04:13:20,850
and his literary contributions.

1837
04:13:22,570 --> 04:13:27,070
And I believe that I saw Horton walk into the courtroom.

1838
04:13:27,910 --> 04:13:28,350
Are you here?

1839
04:13:28,350 --> 04:13:31,550
Do you mind if we get a photo with you?

1840
04:13:31,870 --> 04:13:33,030
That would be wonderful.

1841
04:13:33,530 --> 04:13:34,230
Thank you.

1842
04:13:34,490 --> 04:13:35,650
And again, brilliant work on that.

1843
04:13:35,810 --> 04:13:36,710
Let's give another hand.

1844
04:13:49,030 --> 04:13:53,990
One of our own commissioners, Commissioner Katie Canlin, has a strong interest in this topic as well.

1845
04:13:54,050 --> 04:13:55,810
So I know we'll be glad to see you.

1846
04:14:36,120 --> 04:14:41,500
While he's walking back to the seat, I will say that I Jordan had his prom the day that the award was given out.

1847
04:14:41,640 --> 04:14:46,800
And so I stood in his space and was very proud to see the quality of work.

1848
04:14:46,800 --> 04:14:51,120
amongst, there were college, there were lots of college students, we're in the competition,

1849
04:14:51,700 --> 04:14:54,680
and Jordan's work really did stand out. So, very proud of him.

1850
04:15:12,430 --> 04:15:17,390
Jennifer, I'm missing a resolution, or I just grab it out of here.

1851
04:15:19,750 --> 04:15:22,770
Now, that was the only resolution for tonight.

1852
04:15:23,890 --> 04:15:27,110
I have on here exploitation awareness month, is that

1853
04:15:29,190 --> 04:15:30,330
now?

1854
04:15:34,530 --> 04:15:38,270
But we're able to make a motion on that resolution.

1855
04:15:40,010 --> 04:15:44,870
I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I just have a different text on my sheet here.

1856
04:15:44,870 --> 04:15:46,010
my cheat sheet.

1857
04:15:49,580 --> 04:15:52,400
So what is the resolution that I read before?

1858
04:15:53,260 --> 04:15:54,040
So moved.

1859
04:15:54,500 --> 04:15:54,740
Second.

1860
04:15:55,120 --> 04:15:55,420
Great.

1861
04:15:55,420 --> 04:15:56,140
All in favor?

1862
04:15:56,420 --> 04:15:56,800
All in favor.

1863
04:15:57,180 --> 04:15:58,260
Thank you.

1864
04:15:59,180 --> 04:16:01,440
I think this is a straggler from last month.

1865
04:16:01,900 --> 04:16:03,480
This is a straggler for last month.

1866
04:16:03,580 --> 04:16:04,760
I apologize for that.

1867
04:16:06,620 --> 04:16:07,380
Thank you.

1868
04:16:07,740 --> 04:16:08,400
All right.

1869
04:16:08,680 --> 04:16:11,660
Next, we have public comment session.

1870
04:16:11,840 --> 04:16:14,620
Do we have anybody signed up for open public comment?

1871
04:16:14,620 --> 04:16:18,660
There are two people, two people.

1872
04:16:19,840 --> 04:16:21,080
I will read the following statement then.

1873
04:16:21,220 --> 04:16:24,100
We want to remind speakers that they will have three minutes to speak.

1874
04:16:24,920 --> 04:16:27,200
The green light illuminates for the first few minutes.

1875
04:16:27,420 --> 04:16:31,340
The yellow light illuminates along with one beep to let the speaker know.

1876
04:16:31,740 --> 04:16:32,900
They still have one minute remaining.

1877
04:16:34,040 --> 04:16:34,880
The red light illuminates.

1878
04:16:35,620 --> 04:16:36,360
I'm sorry.

1879
04:16:37,000 --> 04:16:40,300
So we didn't read the resolution.

1880
04:16:42,800 --> 04:16:43,860
We just watched the film.

1881
04:16:46,220 --> 04:16:53,640
Okay, so maybe it's not printed out. I can lend you my screen and I can see it there.

1882
04:16:53,640 --> 04:16:54,400
I'm going to do that.

1883
04:16:56,020 --> 04:16:57,340
Yeah, I don't have it because.

1884
04:16:57,780 --> 04:16:58,160
Thank you.

1885
04:16:58,820 --> 04:16:59,860
Okay, appreciate that.

1886
04:17:02,020 --> 04:17:02,820
All right.

1887
04:17:03,680 --> 04:17:04,740
Do we need to vote again?

1888
04:17:06,280 --> 04:17:07,980
No, I thought I was wrong.

1889
04:17:08,160 --> 04:17:09,020
I thought you'd already read it.

1890
04:17:09,380 --> 04:17:09,520
Sorry.

1891
04:17:09,800 --> 04:17:11,040
No, I didn't have it here.

1892
04:17:11,400 --> 04:17:12,100
It's just strange.

1893
04:17:12,660 --> 04:17:18,640
Okay, recognize in Jordan Wiley for his student film, the story of George Moses, Horton and for representing

1894
04:17:18,640 --> 04:17:23,680
Chattam County at the North Carolina Association County Commissioners, 100-tron production student film festival.

1895
04:17:24,320 --> 04:17:35,080
Whereas Jordan Wiley, a resident of Chattam County and a senior of Northwood High School, has distinguished himself as a young age, as a talented and dedicated student filmmaker.

1896
04:17:35,080 --> 04:17:40,240
And whereas Jordan created the film, the student film, the story of George Moses Horton

1897
04:17:40,240 --> 04:17:45,220
honoring the life and legacy of George Moses Horton, and enslaved poet from Chattam

1898
04:17:45,220 --> 04:17:50,440
County, whose literary contributions hold significant historical and cultural importance.

1899
04:17:50,940 --> 04:17:56,460
And whereas Jordan has demonstrated exceptional initiative, creativity, and discipline by

1900
04:17:56,460 --> 04:18:02,340
independently writing, directing, and editing his films, while also learning practical skills,

1901
04:18:02,340 --> 04:18:17,420
such as budgeting, collaboration and leadership, and whereas Jordan's work has been featured in and recognized by several film festivals, including the black theater festival and the Haiti film festival, reflecting his growing impact as a young filmmaker.

1902
04:18:18,140 --> 04:18:31,340
And whereas Jordan Wiley has selected to represent Chad and County at the North Carolina Association County Commissioners, 100 strong production student film festival, held on April 25th, 2026, in carrying North Carolina.

1903
04:18:31,340 --> 04:18:38,540
and whereas Jordan's participation in the NCACC student film festival exemplifies the

1904
04:18:38,540 --> 04:18:43,600
creativity, talent, and promise of Chattam County's youth, and brings positive recognition

1905
04:18:43,600 --> 04:18:47,240
to the county on a statewide platform.

1906
04:18:48,040 --> 04:18:52,480
Now therefore, be it resolved that the Chattam County Public Board of Commissioners here

1907
04:18:52,480 --> 04:18:57,960
by recognized in command, Jordan Wally, for his outstanding achievement in student filmmaking,

1908
04:18:57,960 --> 04:19:03,920
his dedication to the storytelling and historical preservation and his exemplary representation

1909
04:19:03,920 --> 04:19:09,520
of Chattam County at the 2026 NCACC 100 Strong Productions Student Film Festival.

1910
04:19:10,260 --> 04:19:14,740
And be it further resolved that the board congratulates Jordan Wiley on his accomplishments

1911
04:19:14,740 --> 04:19:19,680
to date and extends best wishes for his continued success and future endeavors

1912
04:19:19,680 --> 04:19:26,060
in the arts and filmmaking adopted this 18th day of May 2026.

1913
04:19:27,080 --> 04:19:28,000
So moved.

1914
04:19:28,100 --> 04:19:28,520
Thanks.

1915
04:19:29,120 --> 04:19:29,940
All in favor.

1916
04:19:30,140 --> 04:19:30,760
All in favor.

1917
04:19:31,440 --> 04:19:32,420
Thank you all.

1918
04:19:33,340 --> 04:19:33,920
Apologies for the confusion.

1919
04:19:34,360 --> 04:19:40,200
And I saw that maybe Jordan has his award and I didn't know if he wanted to show

1920
04:19:40,200 --> 04:19:42,080
it to us or say anything about his film.

1921
04:19:42,420 --> 04:19:45,000
And you don't have to, but if you'd like to.

1922
04:19:50,230 --> 04:19:54,630
Jordan, you'll have to walk up to the front and tap the front of that mic that

1923
04:19:54,630 --> 04:19:55,870
where the red light is.

1924
04:20:04,920 --> 04:20:18,980
So, funny story, we were walking in and then my mom sat right on the camera piece and there was like a little lens that was right here and it stopped off.

1925
04:20:20,360 --> 04:20:24,160
So, there is like a lens piece that's supposed to be on it.

1926
04:20:27,150 --> 04:20:34,270
But about the film, I filmed that probably about two years ago, I was commissioned by

1927
04:20:34,270 --> 04:20:47,290
the Arts Council to create a film about someone alive or dead, but has historic meaning

1928
04:20:47,290 --> 04:20:48,990
in Chattam County.

1929
04:20:49,550 --> 04:20:55,350
And I chose George Moses Horton because I went to Horton and he's just a really prominent

1930
04:20:57,390 --> 04:21:06,770
historic figure that I, who I could think of. So I put a lot of heart into the movie

1931
04:21:08,210 --> 04:21:13,030
and yeah, that's, that's, that's pretty much it.

1932
04:21:15,610 --> 04:21:16,890
When do you have been to your finish school?

1933
04:21:17,610 --> 04:21:20,890
I have about two more weeks. And then what do you do?

1934
04:21:23,450 --> 04:21:27,950
I'm going to Savannah School of Art and Design.

1935
04:21:27,990 --> 04:21:29,390
Oh, bravo.

1936
04:21:29,550 --> 04:21:31,430
So this career in filmmaking is just beginning.

1937
04:21:32,230 --> 04:21:33,630
That's a really good school.

1938
04:21:33,670 --> 04:21:34,110
Congratulations.

1939
04:21:34,830 --> 04:21:35,910
It's not easy to get in there.

1940
04:21:36,770 --> 04:21:39,510
I taught and went to the College of Design at NC State.

1941
04:21:39,710 --> 04:21:41,050
So I'm very familiar with their program.

1942
04:21:41,630 --> 04:21:42,610
Best of luck to you.

1943
04:21:42,670 --> 04:21:43,090
Thank you.

1944
04:21:43,090 --> 04:21:43,930
Thank you also much.

1945
04:21:44,270 --> 04:21:44,730
Nice work.

1946
04:21:53,680 --> 04:21:54,020
All right.

1947
04:21:54,220 --> 04:21:58,840
So just to confirm, I have a motion to adopt a

1948
04:21:58,840 --> 04:22:03,600
resolution, recognizing June 21st as vulnerable adult and elder abuse

1949
04:22:03,600 --> 04:22:06,600
or exploitation, I don't have that resolution.

1950
04:22:07,520 --> 04:22:11,740
And that one is a left over from the last one is left over from the last one.

1951
04:22:11,980 --> 04:22:16,160
Yes, that's what I thought, but I want to make sure, I want to do this again.

1952
04:22:16,580 --> 04:22:21,340
Okay, all right, so now we do a public comment and there are two people signed up.

1953
04:22:21,960 --> 04:22:27,600
So again, that light right there, the first light will go off, the second light, the yellow one will go off.

1954
04:22:27,600 --> 04:22:31,520
you have a minute left and then the red light illuminates when time is up.

1955
04:22:31,660 --> 04:22:33,220
Everybody has three minutes to speak.

1956
04:22:33,740 --> 04:22:36,740
And if you have comments with you,

1957
04:22:36,740 --> 04:22:37,820
you can hand off to Jennifer.

1958
04:22:39,040 --> 04:22:40,260
The clerk, that would be great.

1959
04:22:40,620 --> 04:22:41,980
And who's first on the list, Jennifer?

1960
04:22:42,560 --> 04:22:43,400
Stephanie Bayley.

1961
04:22:44,700 --> 04:22:45,220
Thank you.

1962
04:22:50,800 --> 04:22:51,100
Okay.

1963
04:22:51,700 --> 04:22:52,580
I'm not Stephanie.

1964
04:22:54,160 --> 04:22:55,760
My name is Gary Toul,

1965
04:22:56,060 --> 04:22:57,640
and I'm a resident of Fire Chapel.

1966
04:22:58,380 --> 04:22:59,260
And this is Stephanie.

1967
04:23:00,080 --> 04:23:02,020
And we're going to tag team on this.

1968
04:23:02,020 --> 04:23:07,140
So I'm going to go over some information and then she's going to follow up with some benefits

1969
04:23:07,700 --> 04:23:10,540
and what we're really requesting to be done.

1970
04:23:11,460 --> 04:23:15,320
So if I could, I could use my three minutes and Stephanie has her time to finish.

1971
04:23:17,160 --> 04:23:17,780
So good evening.

1972
04:23:18,180 --> 04:23:19,340
My name is Gary Pool.

1973
04:23:19,340 --> 04:23:25,940
I'm a resident of Briar Chapel, a plant community approximately 2400 homes and 5,000 residents

1974
04:23:25,940 --> 04:23:27,320
in North Chatham County.

1975
04:23:27,320 --> 04:23:32,440
I'm here tonight on behalf of our community to respectfully request that the Board

1976
04:23:32,440 --> 04:23:36,380
consider a golf club ordinance, a amendment, designating

1977
04:23:36,380 --> 04:23:39,540
briar chapel as an approved golf golf car community.

1978
04:23:40,260 --> 04:23:43,300
Golf carts have been a normal established part of daily life from

1979
04:23:43,300 --> 04:23:44,620
briar chapel for years.

1980
04:23:45,220 --> 04:23:49,560
Our own HOA celebrated that culture by hosting community golf court golf

1981
04:23:49,560 --> 04:23:50,420
car praise.

1982
04:23:51,320 --> 04:23:53,340
We are not here to introduce something new.

1983
04:23:53,740 --> 04:23:56,160
We are here to protect something that already exists.

1984
04:23:56,160 --> 04:23:59,340
and to bring it into a proper legal framework.

1985
04:24:00,420 --> 04:24:01,800
To give you a sense of scale,

1986
04:24:02,340 --> 04:24:06,300
Breyer Chapel has over 5,000 residents over 2,400 homes.

1987
04:24:06,980 --> 04:24:10,100
More residents than many incorporated towns in Chattam County.

1988
04:24:10,760 --> 04:24:15,160
Our streets are posted at 25 miles per hour or less

1989
04:24:15,160 --> 04:24:17,980
meeting the county's own speed threshold, exactly.

1990
04:24:18,760 --> 04:24:22,800
We have on-site schools, 900 acres of preserved open space,

1991
04:24:22,800 --> 04:24:28,560
and a community designed from ground up for low-speed, low-impact living.

1992
04:24:29,140 --> 04:24:31,040
Golf carts are not an anomaly here.

1993
04:24:31,400 --> 04:24:34,900
They are part of how this community functions.

1994
04:24:37,320 --> 04:24:40,980
We understand the board's focus on safety and fiscal responsibility.

1995
04:24:41,780 --> 04:24:45,100
Here's how this ordinance addresses both directly.

1996
04:24:45,800 --> 04:24:50,440
On safety, unregulated use is more dangerous than regulated use.

1997
04:24:50,440 --> 04:24:57,700
Right now, carts operate without required insurance, without registration, without a clear legal framework.

1998
04:24:58,400 --> 04:25:08,800
In order to fix this all that, it requires a valid driver's license, it requires liability insurance, it requires safety equipment, such as lights, mirrors, and signals.

1999
04:25:09,760 --> 04:25:15,220
It restricts operation to 25 miles per hour streets and daylight hours only.

2000
04:25:15,220 --> 04:25:21,260
A regulated, prior chapel, a golf cart program makes our streets safer, not less safe.

2001
04:25:21,800 --> 04:25:25,880
On budget, we're asking for an amendment to your existing ordinance, not a new program,

2002
04:25:26,480 --> 04:25:32,700
and to reduce the county's administrative burden further to reduce it.

2003
04:25:32,700 --> 04:25:37,380
The prior chapel community association has agreed to host the community, permitting,

2004
04:25:37,640 --> 04:25:39,200
and inspection day right in the neighborhood.

2005
04:25:39,200 --> 04:25:45,860
President has come to us, the Sheriff's Office, run the inspection, registration fees, offset

2006
04:25:45,860 --> 04:25:49,520
costs, this can be self-funded from day one.

2007
04:25:50,540 --> 04:25:51,220
And to continue.

2008
04:25:56,940 --> 04:25:57,320
Hi there.

2009
04:25:57,400 --> 04:25:58,220
My name is Stephanie Bailey.

2010
04:25:58,300 --> 04:26:00,440
Thank you so much for letting me speak to you guys today.

2011
04:26:00,480 --> 04:26:03,560
I have some neighbors also here represented from our chapel.

2012
04:26:04,060 --> 04:26:06,320
We're so glad to have this time to talk with you.

2013
04:26:06,880 --> 04:26:08,040
I'm going to share some benefits.

2014
04:26:08,180 --> 04:26:11,440
Top 10 benefits for our neighborhood to have this golf cart ordinance.

2015
04:26:11,440 --> 04:26:14,200
It reduces cart traffic on our neighborhood roads.

2016
04:26:14,400 --> 04:26:16,280
You heard, we got a lot of people over at our chapel.

2017
04:26:17,060 --> 04:26:20,180
It lowers emissions from replacing cart trips

2018
04:26:20,180 --> 04:26:21,560
with electric golf carts.

2019
04:26:22,160 --> 04:26:25,020
It's a safer school, drop-off, and pick-up situation

2020
04:26:25,020 --> 04:26:26,960
for Pollard, for Willow, Gmanosaurus,

2021
04:26:27,120 --> 04:26:30,380
for Chadden Girl Elementary, is very congested over there.

2022
04:26:30,480 --> 04:26:32,480
Golf was actually helped alleviate a lot of that

2023
04:26:32,480 --> 04:26:33,140
cart traffic.

2024
04:26:33,960 --> 04:26:36,180
Improved walkability and pedestrian safety.

2025
04:26:36,880 --> 04:26:39,560
Supports for seniors and mobility limited residents.

2026
04:26:39,560 --> 04:26:44,060
It's in alignment with prior chapel's green, sustainable identity.

2027
04:26:45,780 --> 04:26:49,540
We want to regulate, ensure, and inspect these carts that are on the road.

2028
04:26:50,520 --> 04:26:52,840
It's community cohesion and quality of life.

2029
04:26:53,300 --> 04:26:58,900
It's a self-funding registration model and it's a zero burden on county infrastructure

2030
04:26:58,900 --> 04:27:01,080
beyond the existing ordinance framework.

2031
04:27:02,220 --> 04:27:05,640
So tonight, the ask, I'm asking for three specific requests.

2032
04:27:06,420 --> 04:27:09,760
First, that the Board directs staff to begin the process of

2033
04:27:09,760 --> 04:27:12,220
mending the Chatham County golf ordinance to add

2034
04:27:12,220 --> 04:27:16,940
by our chapel as an approved community, as an approved community.

2035
04:27:17,240 --> 04:27:20,100
Restricted to borrow chapel neighborhood roads only.

2036
04:27:20,560 --> 04:27:23,060
I administered an coordination with the Sheriff's Office.

2037
04:27:24,140 --> 04:27:27,040
The second, I'm presenting a draft amendment to the Board's

2038
04:27:27,700 --> 04:27:29,880
consideration as a starting point for that process.

2039
04:27:30,280 --> 04:27:34,300
I believe you have electronic copies, and I have a paper copy as well.

2040
04:27:35,420 --> 04:27:42,180
And third, we respectfully request that staff are turned with a recommendation within two weeks so our community can move forward.

2041
04:27:42,980 --> 04:27:50,340
We have the community support, we have our HOA support, we have multiple PTAs of the schools in our neighborhood support.

2042
04:27:50,800 --> 04:27:53,180
We have our neighbors, some here tonight.

2043
04:27:53,760 --> 04:27:58,660
We're ready, we just need the legal framework to match the community that we already are.

2044
04:28:00,140 --> 04:28:00,900
Thank you very much.

2045
04:28:02,580 --> 04:28:03,700
Thank you.

2046
04:28:03,700 --> 04:28:04,620
Excuse me, Brian.

2047
04:28:05,320 --> 04:28:09,740
I know that we've had some commissioners and also you have shared with me that you've gotten

2048
04:28:09,740 --> 04:28:14,140
some emails over the last few weeks from folks in bar chapel on this.

2049
04:28:14,220 --> 04:28:20,740
I'm wondering because we have discussed it briefly before have we any movement on this

2050
04:28:20,740 --> 04:28:27,340
or there are any ordinances already that we've looked at has the HOA in bar chapel that

2051
04:28:27,340 --> 04:28:31,180
have this already or what's the status of this right now?

2052
04:28:32,500 --> 04:28:33,000
That is correct.

2053
04:28:33,160 --> 04:28:37,040
We received a number of emails, phone calls, regular mail.

2054
04:28:37,480 --> 04:28:38,240
I think you have to.

2055
04:28:38,920 --> 04:28:43,400
And so on the staff level, we have begun doing some initial review research,

2056
04:28:43,820 --> 04:28:46,760
in preparation for something to come before the board.

2057
04:28:46,860 --> 04:28:50,420
If that's something that the board would like to come before it,

2058
04:28:50,440 --> 04:28:52,560
in terms of what other counties have done,

2059
04:28:52,900 --> 04:28:54,760
what are some models out there, what works,

2060
04:28:54,760 --> 04:28:59,580
What are some lessons learned best practices and also coordination with our partners in the

2061
04:28:59,580 --> 04:29:05,520
Sheriff's Office to talk about the implications and if the Board so wishes, we can bring

2062
04:29:05,520 --> 04:29:10,700
something at a future meeting as a starter conversation for that for further direction.

2063
04:29:11,500 --> 04:29:17,360
If it pleases the Board at the future section of the agenda for a future, we're meetings

2064
04:29:17,360 --> 04:29:22,280
discussion. We can certainly have that conversation, but staff is prepared. It has been

2065
04:29:24,740 --> 04:29:27,700
I would be interested in hearing that and certainly

2066
04:29:28,280 --> 04:29:33,740
President Collins and the sheriff also has concerns if I hadn't even considered when I spoke with him most recently.

2067
04:29:35,060 --> 04:29:39,560
So, our other commissioner gone forward with getting a presentation from staff on this topic.

2068
04:29:41,640 --> 04:29:46,160
I feel as staff is already indicated to us that they've wanted to come back to us on the topic.

2069
04:29:47,100 --> 04:29:49,820
I think that's the yes we'd love to hear from staff on this topic.

2070
04:29:50,200 --> 04:29:51,240
Thank you.

2071
04:29:51,240 --> 04:29:52,860
Thank you.

2072
04:29:53,320 --> 04:29:56,640
As to the timing, could I ask about the request for two weeks?

2073
04:29:56,980 --> 04:29:59,960
I think the board's next regular meeting is not until mid June.

2074
04:30:00,180 --> 04:30:07,900
Is that a suitable timeline for a follow-up or initial report or is that too soon?

2075
04:30:09,380 --> 04:30:15,160
I think we can work toward that. If for some reason that does not look like it is feasible,

2076
04:30:15,660 --> 04:30:27,760
whether it's because we don't have the ability to pull everything together by then, or if the agenda calendar does not appear that it would be appropriate for the massive items that might be on that agenda,

2077
04:30:27,760 --> 04:30:30,100
will communicate that to the board.

2078
04:30:30,660 --> 04:30:31,260
Thank you.

2079
04:30:31,580 --> 04:30:32,760
Thank you.

2080
04:30:34,120 --> 04:30:34,560
Thank you.

2081
04:30:34,580 --> 04:30:35,020
Thank you.

2082
04:30:35,400 --> 04:30:38,640
Jennifer, are there any other members signed up?

2083
04:30:38,840 --> 04:30:39,240
Give him that.

2084
04:30:39,380 --> 04:30:39,740
That was it.

2085
04:30:39,920 --> 04:30:40,360
That was it.

2086
04:30:41,340 --> 04:30:41,920
Thank you.

2087
04:30:44,610 --> 04:30:45,010
Okay.

2088
04:30:45,510 --> 04:30:51,710
Next we have some public hearings this evening before we begin the public hearings.

2089
04:30:52,510 --> 04:30:55,870
I want to remind everyone that this meeting is a place for respectful participation.

2090
04:30:55,870 --> 04:31:03,150
Please address the board, not individual members, or the audience, and refrain from yelling or personal attacks.

2091
04:31:03,750 --> 04:31:08,810
Speakers are asked to stay within the established time limits so that everyone has a fair opportunity to be heard.

2092
04:31:09,150 --> 04:31:15,110
We appreciate your cooperation in keeping this meeting orderly respectful and productive for all.

2093
04:31:17,850 --> 04:31:28,750
First up is item 260236, a public hearing for the recommended fiscal year 2026, 2027,

2094
04:31:29,430 --> 04:31:30,590
Chattam County Budget,

2095
04:31:32,770 --> 04:31:36,170
and County Manager Brian Thompson will present this item.

2096
04:31:51,490 --> 04:31:53,170
Good evening, board members.

2097
04:31:54,510 --> 04:31:59,570
I will begin this presentation by stating what I believe is the obvious, but I will

2098
04:31:59,570 --> 04:32:05,690
This presentation will not be as entertaining as Mr. Jordan Wiley's terrific film that

2099
04:32:05,690 --> 04:32:09,730
he put together, but important all the same.

2100
04:32:10,690 --> 04:32:16,710
So tonight we'll be talking about the recommended 2027 fiscal year budget.

2101
04:32:18,270 --> 04:32:20,690
This is a high-level overview.

2102
04:32:21,370 --> 04:32:27,210
If you do get a chance to review the budget, the larger budget document with a budget message

2103
04:32:27,210 --> 04:32:32,690
that narrative in all the additional graphs, and numbers, and individual departments, and

2104
04:32:32,690 --> 04:32:33,770
functional areas,

2105
04:32:36,010 --> 04:32:39,510
that could be additional information to supplement this presentation.

2106
04:32:41,790 --> 04:32:48,050
Going back to our budget retreat in January and consistently through the budget season so far,

2107
04:32:48,190 --> 04:32:52,070
we took note and direction from the board that this year is a year to maintain.

2108
04:32:52,070 --> 04:32:54,750
I'll ask to not bury the lead.

2109
04:32:55,370 --> 04:33:02,910
This recommended budget does not recommend any change in any increase to the property tax rate.

2110
04:33:03,670 --> 04:33:12,370
There are some fee adjustments, primarily within developmental services, and some expansions

2111
04:33:12,370 --> 04:33:18,130
where appropriate under the circumstances and, again, under that maintain posture.

2112
04:33:19,470 --> 04:33:27,550
Before we jump right in, we'll let you know that this is where we're working through the process tonight as the first two public hearings.

2113
04:33:27,930 --> 04:33:33,090
The second public hearing will be tomorrow evening in the town of Sallar City Hall.

2114
04:33:33,390 --> 04:33:39,250
We will then later this week begin our work sessions, beginning May 21st and 22nd.

2115
04:33:39,470 --> 04:33:47,690
And if necessary next week on 27th, as we receive comments from the public direction from you through that.

2116
04:33:47,690 --> 04:33:53,870
There's work sessions. We will receive that direction. We'll make whatever adjustments to the recommended budget.

2117
04:33:54,230 --> 04:33:59,790
We'll find that and bring back to you on June 15 for your consideration of adoption.

2118
04:34:00,570 --> 04:34:09,270
So that we meet the statutory obligation of adopting our annual operating budget by the end of fiscal which is June 30.

2119
04:34:11,150 --> 04:34:15,310
As you review the budget document, you'll see information such as this.

2120
04:34:15,310 --> 04:34:18,750
This is the budget at a glance, which includes, again,

2121
04:34:19,050 --> 04:34:20,930
included, included at the beginning of the budget.

2122
04:34:21,690 --> 04:34:27,770
Documentive provides at a glance, net cost of county functions,

2123
04:34:28,190 --> 04:34:32,270
a summary of the general fund, and the total for the solid waste

2124
04:34:32,270 --> 04:34:33,990
recycling enterprise fund.

2125
04:34:36,510 --> 04:34:39,750
And as we look at budget highlights, we will talk a bit

2126
04:34:39,750 --> 04:34:40,970
about revenues.

2127
04:34:41,750 --> 04:34:43,190
Here's a glimpse of our revenues.

2128
04:34:43,430 --> 04:34:47,470
You will find this in the summary in the general fund

2129
04:34:47,470 --> 04:34:50,930
summary revenue section of the budget document.

2130
04:34:51,150 --> 04:34:53,690
You'll see that the largest dollar increases our ad

2131
04:34:53,690 --> 04:34:56,370
below or property tax followed by the

2132
04:34:56,370 --> 04:34:59,290
appropriated fund balance sales and then sales tax.

2133
04:34:59,810 --> 04:35:03,690
The budget document will offer greater details in each of

2134
04:35:03,690 --> 04:35:07,710
these areas, but we're going to take a look at revenue

2135
04:35:07,710 --> 04:35:11,310
from a different lens and that is the top 10.

2136
04:35:12,610 --> 04:35:16,710
Here, in particular, the growth in sales tax and

2137
04:35:16,710 --> 04:35:26,670
multiple articles can be noted. A portion of that, or 30% of article 40, revenue is restricted

2138
04:35:26,670 --> 04:35:33,770
for the use of schools, such as capital and debt. And the article 46 revenue has been allocated

2139
04:35:33,770 --> 04:35:39,570
to the expenditure areas approved by the Board of Commissioners and the resolution of intent

2140
04:35:39,570 --> 04:35:45,550
that was passed prior to article 46 being implemented. There is also a significant increase in the

2141
04:35:45,550 --> 04:35:53,290
on balance appropriation, recommended for FY27, but we are utilizing some restricted fund balance

2142
04:35:53,290 --> 04:35:57,050
in this coming year and more on that in the next slide.

2143
04:35:57,090 --> 04:36:05,370
As we look at, some of those revenue highlights, in particular property tax, 1142

2144
04:36:05,370 --> 04:36:14,030
or $140.2 million that does see a year over year growth, but it is maintaining the property

2145
04:36:14,030 --> 04:36:24,090
tax rate as 60 cent per 100 valuation in restricted fund balance.

2146
04:36:27,810 --> 04:36:35,250
Moving on to utilities, we are putting away some funds from that restricted fund balance

2147
04:36:35,250 --> 04:36:40,490
into utilities to cover debt that we were not able to pay off before the merger with

2148
04:36:40,490 --> 04:36:46,670
with try river. So we're going to maintain that in the fun balance through the duration of the life of that debt.

2149
04:36:47,490 --> 04:36:54,330
Our permitting budget is expected some minor growth growth overall increase of about 2% or 94,000 dollars.

2150
04:36:54,930 --> 04:37:04,530
Exercise tax, we're based on trend demonstrating or showing some additional growth as a year over year number, sales tax,

2151
04:37:04,530 --> 04:37:08,530
anticipating some increased based on current collection trends and assuming

2152
04:37:10,410 --> 04:37:17,570
minimum growth and local collection articles and a little bit more growth in the statewide collections and then transfers in

2153
04:37:18,230 --> 04:37:29,830
is being reduced to due to ending of our American Rescue Plan at program revenues, which in an FY27 specifically December 31, 2026.

2154
04:37:33,190 --> 04:37:41,290
As we shift our attention to expenses, here's a high level overview through broad categories of expense types.

2155
04:37:43,110 --> 04:37:53,550
I just want to take a moment to point out a couple of them in particular such as the allocation slash programs that represents the single largest category increase.

2156
04:37:53,550 --> 04:37:58,770
This is driven primarily by recommended increases for

2157
04:37:58,770 --> 04:38:04,610
Chattam County Schools, CCCC, and continuing to continuing with the

2158
04:38:04,610 --> 04:38:08,530
Partnership for Children expanding access to early child learning

2159
04:38:08,530 --> 04:38:12,410
Contract, which is partly funded through ARPA.

2160
04:38:13,410 --> 04:38:15,190
We also have salaries in benefits.

2161
04:38:15,330 --> 04:38:18,910
These categories include a recommended 3% salary increase for

2162
04:38:18,910 --> 04:38:23,110
Chattam County staff as well as realizing the full year

2163
04:38:23,110 --> 04:38:28,510
cost of positions that were approved for a partial year in the current fiscal year.

2164
04:38:28,950 --> 04:38:35,510
And then for benefits, there are increases to health, dental insurance, as well as mandated

2165
04:38:35,510 --> 04:38:41,590
increases to employee retirement contributions, and then finally a limited number of expansion

2166
04:38:42,190 --> 04:38:43,730
positions are recommended.

2167
04:38:44,570 --> 04:38:47,150
And we will discuss those in just a few minutes.

2168
04:38:47,730 --> 04:38:51,250
But keep in mind when we're talking about expansions, and we're going to get into a lot more

2169
04:38:51,250 --> 04:38:56,270
of that conversation during the budget work session, expansion, recommendations were largely

2170
04:38:56,270 --> 04:39:00,390
limited to those expansions that were relatively low cost.

2171
04:39:01,070 --> 04:39:06,310
We might call them low hanging fruit that could advance some important priorities and make

2172
04:39:06,310 --> 04:39:09,550
a bigger impact proportionally to the funding itself.

2173
04:39:10,170 --> 04:39:14,270
And then other positions or expansion items that either were bringing additional revenue

2174
04:39:14,270 --> 04:39:23,590
to us as part of that, or offsetting cost as part of that position or program expansion.

2175
04:39:24,190 --> 04:39:29,330
So that's more or less the rubric that we used in that maintaining posture that we approached

2176
04:39:29,330 --> 04:39:30,210
this year's budget.

2177
04:39:30,610 --> 04:39:36,090
In operating expenses, this category is seeing a significant year over year increased primarily

2178
04:39:36,090 --> 04:39:42,770
driven by the increase in the county's EMS contract, which we will discuss in greater

2179
04:39:42,770 --> 04:39:45,090
detailed momentarily.

2180
04:39:47,330 --> 04:39:52,490
Here is a view of the recommended expenditure increase at the functional

2181
04:39:52,490 --> 04:39:59,930
area, level the largest increase area, include public safety, which includes the share of

2182
04:39:59,930 --> 04:40:06,090
softness and EMS and also cultural education and recreation function, which includes Chattam

2183
04:40:06,090 --> 04:40:07,030
County schools.

2184
04:40:17,230 --> 04:40:21,930
Yet another look at expenses and we are noting the column with increased

2185
04:40:21,930 --> 04:40:28,350
decrease, Chattam County Schools represents the largest increase at the department level,

2186
04:40:28,910 --> 04:40:34,510
so something of no, followed by the Sheriff's Office, and emergency operations, so much

2187
04:40:34,510 --> 04:40:39,630
like in the current year, this time last year, talked about education, public safety, an

2188
04:40:39,630 --> 04:40:44,470
important note, which Chattam County Schools funding, the increase decrease column that

2189
04:40:44,470 --> 04:40:49,770
number here is for the department or organization as a whole, and does not represent

2190
04:40:49,770 --> 04:40:56,870
But only the allocation directly being allocated to the schools, for instance, in FY27's

2191
04:40:56,870 --> 04:41:01,970
budget, for Chattam County Schools, has a significant decrease in the debt payment, which

2192
04:41:01,970 --> 04:41:07,190
has an overall impact of the total increase in decrease that you see here, so there is

2193
04:41:07,190 --> 04:41:08,390
a netting out effect.

2194
04:41:10,290 --> 04:41:17,190
Now, specifically, with Chattam County Schools, it was requested a total increase of 3.7,

2195
04:41:17,190 --> 04:41:23,470
roughly million dollars. The recommended budget funds just over three million dollars. Of course,

2196
04:41:23,570 --> 04:41:29,350
we do the math. It doesn't add up to all of that. You'll see that it comes to about 2.5 million.

2197
04:41:29,670 --> 04:41:35,070
That is because we currently have approximately 540,000 dollars of that. That's put in an

2198
04:41:35,070 --> 04:41:39,470
undapartmental account that we're recommending so that we can work with the schools that we're

2199
04:41:39,470 --> 04:41:42,690
continuing to work with them and strategizing around.

2200
04:41:42,690 --> 04:41:50,970
Shortfall issues and making sure that we're following a step story requirement for charter school payments in that respect.

2201
04:41:51,550 --> 04:41:57,230
Current expenses for the schools will include state salary adjustments for locally funded employees,

2202
04:41:57,930 --> 04:42:06,270
cost increases for the benefits for benefits for benefits and retirement property liability insurance increases utilities,

2203
04:42:06,270 --> 04:42:13,410
transportation and fuel calls, additional funding for masters pay supplement and increase in

2204
04:42:13,410 --> 04:42:18,710
unified supplement, or stipend supplement increase in required charter school transfers.

2205
04:42:19,390 --> 04:42:27,510
And again, 540 of that is not being shown in the allocation for the schools, as that's being held back,

2206
04:42:27,510 --> 04:42:30,530
as we move into 27 for the charter school transfer.

2207
04:42:30,530 --> 04:42:35,510
Moving on to additional expenses, emergency operations.

2208
04:42:36,630 --> 04:42:43,370
We are adding an additional ambulance unit, added in, we added one in mid-year.

2209
04:42:44,830 --> 04:42:50,590
Was planned on coming online with the new EMS base but due to growth and call volume.

2210
04:42:51,290 --> 04:42:52,530
We've moved that up earlier.

2211
04:42:53,370 --> 04:42:58,570
We also have additional district chief reserves as a supervisor that will provide additional

2212
04:42:58,570 --> 04:43:00,550
oversight to hire activities zones.

2213
04:43:00,590 --> 04:43:07,970
This position will be based in a QRV or a quick response vehicle, not an ambulance, but

2214
04:43:07,970 --> 04:43:11,150
will be able to respond and assist with calls.

2215
04:43:11,910 --> 04:43:18,070
Also, there are contractual, the contract also includes annual escalators that are

2216
04:43:18,070 --> 04:43:21,830
baked into that, so that you will be seeing in this recommended budget.

2217
04:43:22,550 --> 04:43:28,050
Also, Chetam County Sheriff's Office, the largest increase for the Sheriff's Office and

2218
04:43:28,050 --> 04:43:33,850
recommend to budget our salaries and benefits, mostly due to the annualizing of the current

2219
04:43:33,850 --> 04:43:41,130
year positions, including four deputies added in mid year for the full year cost next year,

2220
04:43:41,830 --> 04:43:47,650
3% salary increase, one expansion position, which is an evidence manager, recommended

2221
04:43:47,650 --> 04:43:54,130
for half of a year, and health, dental insurance, and mandated retirement increases.

2222
04:43:59,630 --> 04:44:06,230
Like I mentioned a second ago, one full-time position, there's also CPR training equipment

2223
04:44:06,230 --> 04:44:10,970
and camera system replacement and upgrade at the Animal Resource Center or ARC.

2224
04:44:16,720 --> 04:44:22,460
The transfer out of the general fund is the money that we take from the general fund and

2225
04:44:22,460 --> 04:44:32,780
put into the debt reserve to accommodate the payment for the out-years according to the

2226
04:44:32,780 --> 04:44:41,240
also includes the transfer to the pay-go capital reserve, which these are large projects that are not scheduled for issuing debt to make happen.

2227
04:44:41,820 --> 04:44:51,240
To the designated area, also to the designated areas for Article 46, and to the reevaluation fund. So that's all making up that transfers.

2228
04:44:52,280 --> 04:44:59,980
This increases due largely to the contribution to the debt and capital reserve, but we are also expecting additional Article 46 revenue.

2229
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:08,360
So, the transfers to those focus areas of affordable housing, farm land preservation parks.

2230
04:45:09,980 --> 04:45:17,500
These are also included. And the debt is just what it says. This is the expense to pay our current debt.

2231
04:45:17,880 --> 04:45:27,980
The debt service is decreasing by about 5% due to the refunding that we recently went through closing out one debt issuance and decreasing interest payments.

2232
04:45:27,980 --> 04:45:47,220
I'll contribute to that in the budget document, there is a visual that gives you a better understanding of how that works, the revenues coming into the general fund and for what purposes and then what we're putting away for these different functions out of the general fund and showing those as expenditures.

2233
04:45:47,220 --> 04:45:47,440
measures.

2234
04:45:50,790 --> 04:45:55,010
We do have a number of

2235
04:45:57,380 --> 04:46:00,220
items here. First we've already mentioned the recommended

2236
04:46:00,220 --> 04:46:07,300
salary increase that 3% in the general phone calls about or just under $1.6 million.

2237
04:46:08,500 --> 04:46:14,220
There's total increase of about 1.3 million in benefits increases that includes health,

2238
04:46:14,320 --> 04:46:21,580
dental insurance, variable benefits such as FICA, 401K, retirement increases, increase

2239
04:46:21,580 --> 04:46:25,780
includes all current positions and recommended expansion positions.

2240
04:46:26,400 --> 04:46:31,280
We do have a number of expansion positions or new positions that are being recommended

2241
04:46:31,280 --> 04:46:39,940
at F-27, F-Y-27, again, they fall largely into the category of bringing revenue with them

2242
04:46:39,940 --> 04:46:45,660
or offsetting revenue or it was pretty low-hanging fruit, relatively speaking.

2243
04:46:45,660 --> 04:46:49,920
we have a part-time elections assistant,

2244
04:46:50,640 --> 04:46:51,920
Sheriff's Evidence Manager,

2245
04:46:52,160 --> 04:46:55,800
peer support specialist for diversion and advocacy,

2246
04:46:56,640 --> 04:46:59,320
deputy health director, family services,

2247
04:47:00,560 --> 04:47:04,120
CQI, nutrition, site coordinator for aging services,

2248
04:47:04,320 --> 04:47:05,700
and parks crew supervisor.

2249
04:47:11,460 --> 04:47:15,080
That's the general fund, quick look at the enterprise fund

2250
04:47:15,080 --> 04:47:17,660
that we have, which is solid waste and recycling,

2251
04:47:17,660 --> 04:47:25,760
The budget for this fund is primarily, is funded primarily by the solid waste fee, it includes

2252
04:47:25,760 --> 04:47:31,740
increases in salaries and benefits, contract services, maintenance of equipment and vehicles,

2253
04:47:32,680 --> 04:47:39,980
and increases in one time in capital expenditures for FY27 such as rolloff trucks, compactors,

2254
04:47:40,500 --> 04:47:46,520
and receivers, no expansion requests were made in this budget cycle for this fund.

2255
04:47:48,060 --> 04:47:54,400
We will certainly talk about this in more detail as I mentioned earlier a number of proposed

2256
04:47:54,400 --> 04:47:55,360
fee increases.

2257
04:47:55,940 --> 04:48:04,360
This chart is provided so that you can add a glance see the different areas where the recommendations

2258
04:48:04,360 --> 04:48:10,020
are coming from and whether it was support and a rationale behind them and estimated revenue.

2259
04:48:10,680 --> 04:48:14,300
I'll say that some of these fees have not been touched in a decade or better.

2260
04:48:14,300 --> 04:48:21,920
We are doing our best to on an annual basis look at our cost recovery model and making sure we're meeting those expectations.

2261
04:48:22,500 --> 04:48:40,960
We don't start with benchmarking, but as we do put these recommendations forward, we do conduct benchmarking of similar peer local government entities to make sure that we're not totally off base, but we do not use benchmarking to justify recommendations for fee adjustments.

2262
04:48:44,540 --> 04:48:53,420
quick word on fire districts of the 11 fire departments that provide services within

2263
04:48:53,420 --> 04:48:59,820
Chattam County five departments in six districts have requested tax increase from the

2264
04:48:59,820 --> 04:49:00,500
previous year.

2265
04:49:00,500 --> 04:49:05,600
More detail of course can be found in the larger budget document but as a quick overview

2266
04:49:05,600 --> 04:49:13,500
the Bell's NX slash North Chattam fire district includes an increase for additional

2267
04:49:13,500 --> 04:49:15,020
12 new full-time officers,

2268
04:49:15,300 --> 04:49:17,720
a circle city, which is here in Pittsburgh,

2269
04:49:18,260 --> 04:49:20,720
includes building a tax increase

2270
04:49:20,720 --> 04:49:22,620
recommendation for building renovations

2271
04:49:22,620 --> 04:49:24,880
and debt service for new apparatus.

2272
04:49:26,220 --> 04:49:29,760
Golston's tax increase request includes

2273
04:49:29,760 --> 04:49:32,000
the addition of a full-time employee.

2274
04:49:32,820 --> 04:49:35,040
Northview, this is a district that's

2275
04:49:35,040 --> 04:49:36,440
split between Chattam and Lee County,

2276
04:49:36,800 --> 04:49:38,800
with a majority of that being in Lee County.

2277
04:49:38,880 --> 04:49:42,140
This increase continues the rate parity

2278
04:49:42,140 --> 04:49:46,860
between all residents within the district, regardless of political boundaries, and is being requested

2279
04:49:46,860 --> 04:49:52,500
for utilities, cost, vehicles, buildings, and maintenance.

2280
04:49:54,320 --> 04:50:00,820
And lastly, Parkwood, this district, is served by way of a contract with the city of Durham,

2281
04:50:01,280 --> 04:50:07,900
as recommended increase is necessary in order to have sufficient funds to fund the contract.

2282
04:50:07,900 --> 04:50:23,760
For more information, if you're looking at the budget document about fire districts, you can review the fire district tax rate section of the budget message or the respective entries under the other funds section of the document.

2283
04:50:24,680 --> 04:50:32,020
So in quick summary, mentioned before, this budget maintains the property tax rate in uncertain financial times.

2284
04:50:32,020 --> 04:50:36,240
It focuses funding increases on education and public safety.

2285
04:50:37,140 --> 04:50:42,000
We still continue long-term planning practices around debt and capital growth and development.

2286
04:50:42,620 --> 04:50:47,920
There are a limited number of new positions, especially those without external funding sources,

2287
04:50:48,540 --> 04:50:54,100
and then minimal new programs that they also that do not have external funding sources.

2288
04:50:56,930 --> 04:51:01,950
Again, public hearings early this week, work sessions begin later this week,

2289
04:51:01,950 --> 04:51:12,550
And then roughly this time next month, we'll be bringing to you a refined budget that we'll have more input from you, of course, through our up to three day work session.

2290
04:51:13,470 --> 04:51:30,590
With that, as always, if you have any questions, please feel free to email or contact cis-manager butts who will work with our staff to pull together the appropriate level of information so that we can prepare for the most fruitful conversation leading into you later this week.

2291
04:51:30,590 --> 04:51:33,350
Thank you so much.

2292
04:51:34,170 --> 04:51:34,950
Thank you.

2293
04:51:34,970 --> 04:51:35,930
Questions from the board?

2294
04:51:40,030 --> 04:51:44,990
Frank, can you clarify it on the page about salary that 3% increase?

2295
04:51:45,130 --> 04:51:48,190
That's for existing and planned expansion positions.

2296
04:51:48,890 --> 04:51:53,990
It is not yet factoring in salaries for county manager, sheriff, and board members.

2297
04:51:54,270 --> 04:51:54,510
Is that right?

2298
04:51:55,170 --> 04:51:55,710
That's correct.

2299
04:51:56,250 --> 04:52:02,810
And is there any other category of individual that I missed in that separate ordinance that has to be addressed

2300
04:52:02,810 --> 04:52:07,590
It's been developed for any consideration of salary increase there.

2301
04:52:07,930 --> 04:52:10,970
Manager, Sheriff, board members,

2302
04:52:11,690 --> 04:52:13,250
Register of these.

2303
04:52:13,690 --> 04:52:15,370
So that's a two-be had conversation.

2304
04:52:16,310 --> 04:52:18,030
It is a can be had.

2305
04:52:18,890 --> 04:52:21,970
The way that we have them budgeted now is assuming the 3%

2306
04:52:21,970 --> 04:52:24,950
as we do all other employees that includes commissioners,

2307
04:52:25,670 --> 04:52:27,750
than the list of others that you had noted.

2308
04:52:28,090 --> 04:52:30,490
If there is a desire to have a conversation,

2309
04:52:30,490 --> 04:52:35,210
in this category as a collective or individually

2310
04:52:35,210 --> 04:52:41,240
then we certainly can have that and provide whatever kind

2311
04:52:41,240 --> 04:52:43,420
of implications that there may be much terribly

2312
04:52:43,420 --> 04:52:45,480
and work with that process and bring back something

2313
04:52:45,480 --> 04:52:47,640
that reflects what the Board's wishes may be.

2314
04:52:48,480 --> 04:52:50,900
I think to foreshadow on that topic and related,

2315
04:52:52,180 --> 04:52:54,700
I would love to see us kind of take what I think

2316
04:52:54,700 --> 04:52:58,720
is maybe a unique step forward in at least one way

2317
04:52:58,720 --> 04:53:01,960
is to tie Commissioner Salary to AMI.

2318
04:53:02,300 --> 04:53:05,320
That becomes the way that we talk about so many things in the area.

2319
04:53:05,820 --> 04:53:10,080
And in the interest of promoting interest in public service

2320
04:53:10,080 --> 04:53:12,880
and commitment to an ability to do this job well

2321
04:53:12,880 --> 04:53:16,620
without sacrificing other income and other opportunities,

2322
04:53:16,960 --> 04:53:21,080
I think it would be appropriate for us to try to tie,

2323
04:53:21,360 --> 04:53:23,800
to look at an increase for Commissioner Salary

2324
04:53:23,800 --> 04:53:26,220
that picks a particular AMI percentage

2325
04:53:26,220 --> 04:53:30,860
and pegs it to that, and they might have just it a particular time.

2326
04:53:31,280 --> 04:53:35,380
And this might be a salary that is, we wouldn't be changing our own salary this time around,

2327
04:53:35,480 --> 04:53:39,500
but maybe as part of the process, the board has that conversation and says,

2328
04:53:39,720 --> 04:53:43,140
hey, in a future year, when none of us are here, but it's all successors,

2329
04:53:43,460 --> 04:53:45,300
that's when that kind of change would happen.

2330
04:53:45,340 --> 04:53:49,120
That's the way Congress sets the salaries, and maybe that's a good model for us.

2331
04:53:49,720 --> 04:53:55,240
But we currently have a pay system where the chair earns more than the other commissioners.

2332
04:53:55,240 --> 04:53:59,880
I think that's appropriate and looking for a way to continue that with a 5% or 10% increase on

2333
04:53:59,880 --> 04:54:01,200
AMI would be helpful.

2334
04:54:01,520 --> 04:54:07,160
Consistent with that, I'd also like to think that we can consider a similar raise for

2335
04:54:07,160 --> 04:54:12,680
the other officials who we mentioned there that are not already calculated into the numbers

2336
04:54:12,680 --> 04:54:13,520
that you presented.

2337
04:54:14,400 --> 04:54:19,460
And a third one on this idea of salary and promoting excellence in public service positions,

2338
04:54:19,740 --> 04:54:24,160
especially senior public service positions, I'd love for us to be able to make the small

2339
04:54:24,160 --> 04:54:32,800
additional bookmark of about 25,000 to have available to supplement the salary of the clerk

2340
04:54:32,800 --> 04:54:34,100
and superior court.

2341
04:54:34,500 --> 04:54:41,980
That would elevate that position, salary, roughly almost close to the salary of the manager

2342
04:54:41,980 --> 04:54:46,280
of the ABC system that we have elevated under state law through the last number of years.

2343
04:54:46,560 --> 04:54:50,340
I think it would be important to be able to put that money aside, say that we're committed

2344
04:54:50,340 --> 04:54:51,280
to it.

2345
04:54:51,280 --> 04:54:56,780
And if there is support from court officials in the jurisdiction that we do that, my understanding

2346
04:54:56,780 --> 04:55:00,480
is that it's possible in other places and has been done, and I think it would be a

2347
04:55:00,480 --> 04:55:04,860
show of good faith to the way that we support the court system and its excellence, including

2348
04:55:04,860 --> 04:55:05,380
ours.

2349
04:55:05,740 --> 04:55:09,940
And then just a few other things that I will foreshadow for the conversations later this week

2350
04:55:09,940 --> 04:55:14,000
as we do, the budget work sessions starting on the 21st.

2351
04:55:14,380 --> 04:55:20,300
I think it's critically important that we be prepared that you and your team be prepared

2352
04:55:20,300 --> 04:55:26,760
for the UDO pieces, and the strategic planning, and the funding that's necessary to be able

2353
04:55:26,760 --> 04:55:31,380
to put the UDO in place if we get the legislative authority to go forward with that.

2354
04:55:31,500 --> 04:55:37,320
Or if we don't, to then do some significant reconsidered urban planning and make sure that

2355
04:55:37,320 --> 04:55:40,880
we're on a best posture to do what else the county wants to do.

2356
04:55:40,900 --> 04:55:45,320
So knowing that we're headed towards creating a creation of a map that resounds and tries

2357
04:55:45,320 --> 04:55:49,920
to achieve various planch atom goals, I think it would be important to make sure that this

2358
04:55:49,920 --> 04:55:51,820
budget has a couple of things.

2359
04:55:51,940 --> 04:55:57,840
One is funding either for urban planning expertise on staff or on contract to staff to be able

2360
04:55:57,840 --> 04:56:03,200
to drive and schedule and coordinate independently some of those efforts to make sure that

2361
04:56:03,200 --> 04:56:04,060
it can happen well.

2362
04:56:04,480 --> 04:56:09,660
And then part and parcel of that is to me the importance of having the $75,000 that were estimated

2363
04:56:09,660 --> 04:56:14,880
to be needed to conduct a phase two wastewater study that was recommended a number of years

2364
04:56:14,880 --> 04:56:16,240
ago for the Northeast corridor.

2365
04:56:16,240 --> 04:56:24,260
to be able to envision the amount of commercial space as a supplement to current state and the amount of affordable housing that would be needed

2366
04:56:24,260 --> 04:56:31,220
to give our residents of unincorporated areas the balance of tax space and resources and opportunity

2367
04:56:31,220 --> 04:56:34,940
that a healthy community needs. I think that kind of thing is going to be necessary

2368
04:56:34,940 --> 04:56:41,320
and with the right urban planning expertise on staff. I think that 75,000 could be very well spent

2369
04:56:41,320 --> 04:56:42,840
and how that going forward.

2370
04:56:44,580 --> 04:56:46,160
Thank you so much for the house up.

2371
04:56:46,240 --> 04:56:46,880
That is helpful.

2372
04:56:50,850 --> 04:56:52,590
Other comments from Commissioners?

2373
04:56:54,310 --> 04:56:55,510
I look forward to our work sessions.

2374
04:56:56,250 --> 04:56:57,030
Have a lot ahead of us.

2375
04:56:57,530 --> 04:56:58,050
Thank you so much.

2376
04:57:00,300 --> 04:57:00,980
Thank you, Frank.

2377
04:57:03,720 --> 04:57:04,220
All right.

2378
04:57:07,160 --> 04:57:09,940
Jennifer, did we have anyone signed up for public comment on the budget?

2379
04:57:10,740 --> 04:57:10,920
Yeah, me.

2380
04:57:11,560 --> 04:57:11,960
No.

2381
04:57:12,300 --> 04:57:12,600
You're not.

2382
04:57:13,460 --> 04:57:13,680
Okay.

2383
04:57:16,040 --> 04:57:16,660
Thank you.

2384
04:57:17,040 --> 04:57:22,740
I will take the motion to close the public hearing on the budget.

2385
04:57:23,760 --> 04:57:26,780
So, on the second.

2386
04:57:32,230 --> 04:57:32,810
On the budget.

2387
04:57:34,690 --> 04:57:35,850
Okay, thank you.

2388
04:57:37,570 --> 04:57:38,310
Okay, thank you.

2389
04:57:38,310 --> 04:57:38,350
Okay, thank you.

2390
04:57:38,530 --> 04:57:39,150
Sorry, sorry.

2391
04:57:39,410 --> 04:57:39,870
Through that.

2392
04:57:42,640 --> 04:57:43,840
All right.

2393
04:57:44,160 --> 04:57:48,860
Item 260226, the quasi-judicial public hearing requested by

2394
04:57:48,860 --> 04:57:50,300
Marcus Properties LLC.

2395
04:57:50,880 --> 04:57:55,440
And the towers LLC for a special use permit wireless telecommunications tower

2396
04:57:55,440 --> 04:58:02,580
for $199 feet on parcel, $65, $6, $6, $9, $3, located at $4, $60,

2397
04:58:02,940 --> 04:58:07,480
mergeson road in Goldstone, Gold Township, and the planning staff

2398
04:58:07,480 --> 04:58:09,500
will be presenting on this item.

2399
04:58:15,910 --> 04:58:17,470
I need a slide like this.

2400
04:58:19,980 --> 04:58:21,500
Oh, thank you.

2401
04:58:21,620 --> 04:58:22,260
I'm here quite right.

2402
04:58:23,580 --> 04:58:23,800
All right.

2403
04:58:24,880 --> 04:58:27,180
The next item on the agenda is a public hearing

2404
04:58:27,180 --> 04:58:28,400
for a special use permit.

2405
04:58:29,340 --> 04:58:32,420
Please note, the board is required to act in a quasi-judicial

2406
04:58:32,420 --> 04:58:36,600
capacity as it receives evidence and makes a decision.

2407
04:58:37,000 --> 04:58:41,600
This means that the applicant is entitled to a full-evidentiary hearing.

2408
04:58:42,240 --> 04:58:47,340
During this hearing, the board will receive legally acceptable evidence to establish sufficient

2409
04:58:47,340 --> 04:58:49,400
facts to apply the ordinance.

2410
04:58:49,980 --> 04:58:55,580
Anyone who intends to testify in a quasi-judicial manner must be sworn in, including staff,

2411
04:58:56,080 --> 04:59:01,680
all individuals who will be speaking in this public hearing please stand to be sworn in.

2412
04:59:04,760 --> 04:59:06,300
Thank you.

2413
04:59:06,560 --> 04:59:10,160
Raise your right hand and reply yes after the following of has been read.

2414
04:59:10,340 --> 04:59:14,940
Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the evidence or testimony you are about to provide

2415
04:59:14,940 --> 04:59:18,040
is factual and truthful to the best of your knowledge?

2416
04:59:18,260 --> 04:59:19,060
I am sorry.

2417
04:59:19,420 --> 04:59:19,640
Thank you.

2418
04:59:19,760 --> 04:59:20,080
I apologize.

2419
04:59:20,340 --> 04:59:22,020
It's first time I've done one of those.

2420
04:59:22,700 --> 04:59:22,840
All right.

2421
04:59:23,100 --> 04:59:25,040
And now we will hear from the planning staff.

2422
04:59:25,920 --> 04:59:27,520
Thank you.

2423
04:59:40,990 --> 04:59:42,330
I have a little bit more here, Angela.

2424
04:59:42,550 --> 04:59:42,670
Hang on.

2425
04:59:42,790 --> 04:59:43,170
Maybe this.

2426
04:59:43,170 --> 04:59:48,430
I am now opening the quasi-judicial public hearing requested by Marcus Properties LLC and the

2427
04:59:48,430 --> 04:59:54,150
Towers LLC for especially use permit wireless telecommunications tower of 199 feet on

2428
04:59:54,150 --> 04:59:56,790
six, five, six, nine, three, located at four, six,

2429
04:59:56,970 --> 04:59:59,910
emergency and road, Goldstone, golf township, speaker.

2430
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:04,880
Members will not be timed so that they have sufficient time to submit their evidence.

2431
05:00:06,260 --> 05:00:08,520
And thank you, Angela, if you can go ahead and present this.

2432
05:00:09,680 --> 05:00:10,200
Yes,

2433
05:00:26,890 --> 05:00:33,210
so this is a request for a new wireless telecommunication tower located in the Gulf Township,

2434
05:00:33,210 --> 05:00:35,170
down off of Merchston Road in Gulston.

2435
05:00:37,280 --> 05:00:41,320
This process works as a special use permit process,

2436
05:00:41,580 --> 05:00:44,720
so they have to address and meet all the fine findings

2437
05:00:45,350 --> 05:00:46,520
of that application.

2438
05:00:47,320 --> 05:00:49,800
They are not claiming any error in the ordinance,

2439
05:00:50,840 --> 05:00:53,360
so they can meet the fine number one.

2440
05:00:53,720 --> 05:00:56,640
Is this essential or desirable for the public convenience

2441
05:00:56,640 --> 05:00:57,380
or welfare?

2442
05:00:57,740 --> 05:00:59,720
Of course, we understand reliable access

2443
05:00:59,720 --> 05:01:03,360
to wireless services has become a public necessity

2444
05:01:03,360 --> 05:01:10,140
in most areas and the applicants are going to show you some propagation maps here, a moment

2445
05:01:10,140 --> 05:01:16,220
that shows areas that where you may drop sales service and that's what these toddlers

2446
05:01:16,220 --> 05:01:19,160
are here to do is try to bridge in some of those gaps.

2447
05:01:20,360 --> 05:01:26,800
They also address the comprehensive land use plan, the 2017 plan does, address the need to

2448
05:01:26,800 --> 05:01:32,820
expand cellular coverage to remedy connectivity deficiencies in Chattam County, again

2449
05:01:32,820 --> 05:01:34,580
national and the propagation maps.

2450
05:01:35,000 --> 05:01:41,880
This is a proposed 190 foot monopole tower with a four foot lightning rise to 199 feet.

2451
05:01:42,380 --> 05:01:46,780
They do not promote proposed it to be a lighted tower.

2452
05:01:47,700 --> 05:01:53,900
Once you go over 199 feet, there is a requirement that they will not have lights at this particular one.

2453
05:01:54,040 --> 05:01:56,140
It is a forested area.

2454
05:01:56,140 --> 05:02:01,740
We'll remain that way except for the lease area that they have to clear out for the

2455
05:02:01,740 --> 05:02:03,960
tower itself.

2456
05:02:04,860 --> 05:02:09,100
It will come in all for Merchstone Road with an appropriate access driveway and be located

2457
05:02:09,100 --> 05:02:10,580
within this lease area.

2458
05:02:12,080 --> 05:02:13,520
They did hold the community meeting.

2459
05:02:13,620 --> 05:02:14,540
There have been no concerns.

2460
05:02:14,840 --> 05:02:19,540
I'll have received a couple of calls from neighbors and they are excited about getting

2461
05:02:19,540 --> 05:02:21,720
a cell tower in that area of the county.

2462
05:02:22,500 --> 05:02:24,220
So with that, I will turn it over to the applicant.

2463
05:02:43,280 --> 05:02:48,660
I'm Tom Johnson, I'm an attorney with a law firm of Williams, Mollon at 301, Fayetteville

2464
05:02:48,660 --> 05:02:54,260
Street, sweet 1700 in Raleigh, here on behalf of the applicant, the towers,

2465
05:02:57,530 --> 05:02:58,890
and myself back to where it was.

2466
05:02:59,410 --> 05:03:00,510
Here we are.

2467
05:03:02,130 --> 05:03:08,970
I would ask upfront that our application and all associated documentation in the county's file,

2468
05:03:08,970 --> 05:03:12,710
be admitted into evidence and support of our application tonight.

2469
05:03:13,410 --> 05:03:14,490
So just ask that be admitted.

2470
05:03:15,810 --> 05:03:18,370
I do have with me a couple of witnesses.

2471
05:03:18,910 --> 05:03:24,970
I have Michael Berkeowitz, who's the appraiser to the impacts that did the impact study that's in the report.

2472
05:03:25,550 --> 05:03:29,110
And Matt McMillan, who actually did the site acquisition on this site,

2473
05:03:29,230 --> 05:03:32,970
so actually helped choose the site based upon the search ring that you should

2474
05:03:32,970 --> 05:03:36,250
that Angela showed earlier which is here.

2475
05:03:36,570 --> 05:03:39,550
So basically, this shows where Verizon and Verizon

2476
05:03:39,550 --> 05:03:41,530
will be the anchor tenant on this tower.

2477
05:03:42,410 --> 05:03:45,730
This search ring was given to the tower company

2478
05:03:45,730 --> 05:03:48,970
by Verizon to find a site because Verizon

2479
05:03:48,970 --> 05:03:51,110
recognized there was an issue at this location.

2480
05:03:53,670 --> 05:03:57,090
The propagation maps, which Angela talked about, are here.

2481
05:03:59,090 --> 05:04:07,010
Basically, this shows to the left the current coverage to the right the proposed coverage.

2482
05:04:07,770 --> 05:04:13,710
What these colors mean are the desire now is to get in building coverage so that you

2483
05:04:13,710 --> 05:04:17,590
have adequate coverage whether it be a residential or commercial building.

2484
05:04:18,090 --> 05:04:21,310
That type of coverage is the green on these maps.

2485
05:04:22,690 --> 05:04:29,550
The yellow is in vehicle coverage, so you can have some in vehicle coverage in the area.

2486
05:04:30,470 --> 05:04:35,650
If it gets into the yellow as it gets to all street coverage, you have to be outside and on the street to get the coverage.

2487
05:04:36,450 --> 05:04:39,590
And then the red is basically no effect of coverage.

2488
05:04:41,610 --> 05:04:45,710
As you can see right here, this is where the proposed side is.

2489
05:04:45,710 --> 05:04:49,690
The main goal is to cover 421 in that area.

2490
05:04:50,270 --> 05:04:54,970
There's a gap on 421 that we recognize that we had, that Verizon recognized they had.

2491
05:04:55,410 --> 05:04:58,150
And wanted to provide the adequate and building coverage in this area.

2492
05:04:58,570 --> 05:05:03,510
And what it does is it takes this area from Yala to green.

2493
05:05:03,830 --> 05:05:05,090
I have in this tower.

2494
05:05:07,020 --> 05:05:08,440
There's not a sense of scale on there.

2495
05:05:08,620 --> 05:05:12,920
Is there a way we can get an idea of how much area that covers?

2496
05:05:15,840 --> 05:05:18,300
Basically, I mean, that's how we're in it varies.

2497
05:05:18,400 --> 05:05:21,780
It varies on usage, that is the more you have a tower

2498
05:05:21,780 --> 05:05:23,500
used, the less your coverage is.

2499
05:05:23,820 --> 05:05:27,020
Basically, you're looking at trying to cover around

2500
05:05:27,900 --> 05:05:32,900
a three-mile area with a tower, more or less.

2501
05:05:33,760 --> 05:05:35,100
Again, it can vary.

2502
05:05:35,980 --> 05:05:38,980
I give you for instance, I came under the 64th this afternoon.

2503
05:05:39,820 --> 05:05:41,740
And obviously, it's peak time and peak use

2504
05:05:41,740 --> 05:05:47,080
in the coverage. Jordan Lake was not good. I was on a call and I was losing coverage.

2505
05:05:47,640 --> 05:05:52,200
That's what we're trying to cover is you cover the peaks and valleys, but you focus on

2506
05:05:52,200 --> 05:05:56,340
trying to cover the peaks. Just like you do, you have traffic studies come up here, you're

2507
05:05:56,340 --> 05:06:02,000
trying to cover your peak traffic. And this is what we're trying to cover the peak wireless

2508
05:06:02,000 --> 05:06:08,400
traffic. And to make sure we can cover that effectively without losing service. So that gives

2509
05:06:08,400 --> 05:06:12,380
you're rough idea of what we're talking about in this area.

2510
05:06:13,340 --> 05:06:14,240
I'm sorry, can I introduce?

2511
05:06:15,280 --> 05:06:24,120
So it looks from the map as though that section of 421 is covered for in vehicle as it stands.

2512
05:06:24,580 --> 05:06:25,300
Is that right?

2513
05:06:25,560 --> 05:06:27,280
It's for in vehicle, it's okay.

2514
05:06:27,300 --> 05:06:32,480
What we're trying to do is get stronger coverage for in building in this area.

2515
05:06:33,500 --> 05:06:38,380
So the green is what our target is now and as you can see it actually extends that

2516
05:06:38,380 --> 05:06:43,080
and starts covering, see some of these areas here that are actually orange at our own street coverage.

2517
05:06:43,600 --> 05:06:46,380
It gets some of those covered as well.

2518
05:06:47,020 --> 05:06:50,120
So does this area end building include in vehicle?

2519
05:06:50,440 --> 05:06:51,480
It includes in vehicle.

2520
05:06:51,820 --> 05:06:52,140
It's strong.

2521
05:06:53,320 --> 05:06:54,720
You're going to get a stronger signal.

2522
05:06:55,280 --> 05:06:57,380
Because the idea is in building coverage, stronger signal.

2523
05:06:58,320 --> 05:07:01,100
In vehicle coverage is a less strength in terms of signal.

2524
05:07:01,580 --> 05:07:06,200
Then you get the own street coverage where you may have experience that you've had to go outside to get a good signal.

2525
05:07:06,200 --> 05:07:10,080
That's the own street coverage, and then the red is just on the liable coverage.

2526
05:07:10,960 --> 05:07:17,220
So it was covering that portion of the street, but it's now going to be stronger and accessible from inside building.

2527
05:07:17,260 --> 05:07:17,540
Correct.

2528
05:07:18,440 --> 05:07:20,580
Sorry, I did clarify that earlier, but that's what that means.

2529
05:07:21,100 --> 05:07:23,620
So it'll be stronger and better and more reliable coverage.

2530
05:07:35,800 --> 05:07:39,650
This gives you some details on the tower.

2531
05:07:39,650 --> 05:07:43,810
So, approximately at 460 merchants in red and Goldstone,

2532
05:07:44,890 --> 05:07:46,570
designing designation is R1,

2533
05:07:46,870 --> 05:07:49,090
where allowed is a special use in the R1 district.

2534
05:07:49,590 --> 05:07:51,370
The tower to the top of steel.

2535
05:07:51,430 --> 05:07:52,670
It's a single pole tower.

2536
05:07:52,790 --> 05:07:54,190
It'll be 195 feet.

2537
05:07:54,230 --> 05:07:56,410
There's a four foot lightning rod on top,

2538
05:07:56,690 --> 05:07:58,410
which gets it to 199 feet.

2539
05:07:59,310 --> 05:08:00,750
The anchor attendant, as I said earlier,

2540
05:08:00,990 --> 05:08:02,030
will be Verizon wireless,

2541
05:08:02,090 --> 05:08:04,250
but there will be space for three additional carriers.

2542
05:08:04,490 --> 05:08:07,830
So, the primary carriers will have the ability to be on this tower.

2543
05:08:07,830 --> 05:08:15,530
In our experience, when a tower is constructed, the other carriers come to it because it's there and available for them to use.

2544
05:08:19,380 --> 05:08:25,660
This gives you not to the parcel plan and it gives a little better idea because you do actually see it's an aerial, so you see the trees.

2545
05:08:25,880 --> 05:08:29,640
I mean, this is a tree covered parcel here. We're doing a short distance.

2546
05:08:29,640 --> 05:08:35,260
It's off, Merchison Road which is parallel to 421 and coming in a short distance and clearing

2547
05:08:35,260 --> 05:08:41,820
an area just for the tower compound, a fifth-sting compound, but leaving the trees to

2548
05:08:41,820 --> 05:08:43,220
the greatest extent possible.

2549
05:08:44,160 --> 05:08:47,800
Compound has gravel in it and has the equipment in these days.

2550
05:08:47,920 --> 05:08:50,140
You just have equipment shelters, which are small houses.

2551
05:08:50,800 --> 05:08:54,900
Now they're just equipment cabinets like you see utility cabinets around anywhere.

2552
05:08:55,640 --> 05:08:57,240
That's what you see at these sites now.

2553
05:08:58,760 --> 05:09:03,340
And this, again, is the similar word angiologist should.

2554
05:09:04,480 --> 05:09:10,000
This is the whole lease area, which is actually larger than what we actually use for the

2555
05:09:10,000 --> 05:09:11,540
tower and the equipment itself.

2556
05:09:12,600 --> 05:09:17,420
So there will be some wooded area within the lease area that we will not touch, and it will

2557
05:09:17,420 --> 05:09:20,960
provide that necessary buffer to the surrounding area.

2558
05:09:22,270 --> 05:09:25,750
This gives you an idea about what the tower will look like.

2559
05:09:26,110 --> 05:09:31,370
It's a single-pull tower and it gives you an idea of the antennas and where there's locations

2560
05:09:31,370 --> 05:09:36,630
of the Verizon being at the top and there are three other locations for other carriers in the future.

2561
05:09:37,010 --> 05:09:42,270
As well as space in the compound and there will be a generator as well which will have noise dampening.

2562
05:09:42,610 --> 05:09:45,350
So we'll not create any noise issues.

2563
05:09:46,550 --> 05:09:54,470
generator has to be started periodically just to test it, but really won't be running unless there's a power outage which is windfokes.

2564
05:09:54,710 --> 05:09:56,610
We really need to rely on the wireless coverage.

2565
05:10:00,720 --> 05:10:05,400
We did actually photosimulations to let you know exactly what it would look like.

2566
05:10:05,580 --> 05:10:06,740
This is the overall map.

2567
05:10:06,860 --> 05:10:10,880
We went up and down merchants and red and included going on 421.

2568
05:10:11,120 --> 05:10:17,160
So these are the positions where we took the various pictures and then did simulations of what the tower was.

2569
05:10:17,160 --> 05:10:18,160
will look like.

2570
05:10:21,330 --> 05:10:27,450
This is basically right where the tower will be, as about 810 feet away from the tower.

2571
05:10:27,610 --> 05:10:34,090
You can see here, it's a single pole. It gives you perspective that you've got utility line poles right here.

2572
05:10:34,370 --> 05:10:39,230
I mean, there are already vertical structures in the area, but also you can see where the trees are covering.

2573
05:10:39,410 --> 05:10:48,110
A lot of what you want to see. Same here, this is a closer shot and you can see that the trees are there and they will help cover it.

2574
05:10:48,110 --> 05:10:56,270
Now, this is a little deceiving because there will be an access road coming into the site, but other than that, the trees will remain.

2575
05:10:59,420 --> 05:11:10,860
This again is about 1360 feet southeast of the site, looking back and you see it barely against the sky there.

2576
05:11:12,330 --> 05:11:20,090
And this is on 421, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 155 feet, east southeast of the site.

2577
05:11:20,510 --> 05:11:26,410
You can barely see it, but it sticks a little bit above the trees here above this truck in the picture.

2578
05:11:32,100 --> 05:11:35,540
Angela, whenever there's a little bit, you've got findings that you need to make.

2579
05:11:36,960 --> 05:11:41,740
Basically, that number one, this is a special use in this district that you're first finding.

2580
05:11:41,740 --> 05:11:49,060
Number two, the special use permit is for an essential or desirable service, wireless coverage,

2581
05:11:50,040 --> 05:11:55,120
and wireless services, and really become an essential function, just a regular part of our infrastructure.

2582
05:11:55,680 --> 05:11:57,800
They would use day in a day out.

2583
05:11:59,100 --> 05:12:02,980
The permit will not impair the integrity or character of the surrounding or joining areas,

2584
05:12:03,080 --> 05:12:06,880
and will not be detrimental to health safety welfare environment of the community.

2585
05:12:08,780 --> 05:12:12,940
We're doing it a well-forced parcel, as I said, we're meeting very little of the trees,

2586
05:12:13,300 --> 05:12:14,020
reducing that impact.

2587
05:12:14,260 --> 05:12:17,520
It won't be lighted, which was a question that came up with the neighborhood meeting,

2588
05:12:17,760 --> 05:12:21,100
and I assured the folks over there that it would not be lighted.

2589
05:12:22,680 --> 05:12:26,260
So, the impact is very small, especially with a single poll tower.

2590
05:12:27,280 --> 05:12:31,000
I do also have, we have an impact study that Mr. Merkelwitz prepared,

2591
05:12:31,300 --> 05:12:35,080
that showed that the tower will not create a substantial adverse impact

2592
05:12:35,080 --> 05:12:40,940
on the Joining Property values, I can have him come up and speak to that briefly, but that

2593
05:12:40,940 --> 05:12:43,360
report is in the file and that reaches that conclusion.

2594
05:12:43,680 --> 05:12:48,460
I'm mainly having here to be able to address any questions you may have of him, but the report

2595
05:12:48,460 --> 05:12:51,100
basically speaks for itself in terms of making that finding.

2596
05:12:53,640 --> 05:12:58,680
The permit is consistent with the objectives of the land use plan, your land use plan,

2597
05:12:59,060 --> 05:13:04,100
and in a great way, addresses the need for expanding, say, you learn wireless coverage in

2598
05:13:04,100 --> 05:13:06,660
community, which is what this is about.

2599
05:13:08,080 --> 05:13:10,660
So I am available to answer any questions I've gotten

2600
05:13:10,660 --> 05:13:11,380
Mr. Burkowitz.

2601
05:13:11,620 --> 05:13:14,160
You can speak to any questions you've got on his impact study

2602
05:13:14,160 --> 05:13:17,420
that found the conclusion that it would not create a substantial

2603
05:13:17,420 --> 05:13:19,520
adverse impact on property values.

2604
05:13:19,900 --> 05:13:21,700
And Mr. McMillan, Matt McMillan's here,

2605
05:13:21,900 --> 05:13:23,040
he did decide acquisition.

2606
05:13:23,460 --> 05:13:25,160
So if there are any site-specific questions,

2607
05:13:25,300 --> 05:13:26,520
he can speak to those.

2608
05:13:26,780 --> 05:13:28,800
He basically came in the area and found

2609
05:13:28,800 --> 05:13:30,600
the site is the best option.

2610
05:13:30,920 --> 05:13:31,900
I've been working with Verizon.

2611
05:13:35,250 --> 05:13:36,050
Thank you.

2612
05:13:36,330 --> 05:13:42,010
When commissioners like to hear from me or the other members about site selection and other topics.

2613
05:13:42,430 --> 05:13:43,750
I have a question out of that.

2614
05:13:43,830 --> 05:13:44,050
Sure.

2615
05:13:44,330 --> 05:13:45,070
Maybe too.

2616
05:13:45,470 --> 05:13:48,150
So I don't know what Monopoly is, except that it's one.

2617
05:13:48,630 --> 05:13:52,650
But is it the kind of poll that would collapse onto itself or...

2618
05:13:52,650 --> 05:13:54,490
Yeah, these towers are designed.

2619
05:13:54,910 --> 05:13:59,130
They're designed for the wind and ice and ice loading of this area of the state.

2620
05:13:59,530 --> 05:14:01,310
Based on his historical weather data.

2621
05:14:01,910 --> 05:14:07,010
So the building code requires that we build into that requirement, but there's an additional

2622
05:14:07,010 --> 05:14:11,810
percentage above that that these towers are constructed to just for additional safety.

2623
05:14:12,830 --> 05:14:19,230
If there were an event that would exceed those building code requirements, what would happen

2624
05:14:19,230 --> 05:14:24,610
is there is a part in the tower that's weaker than the west, not that it's weaker, it still

2625
05:14:24,610 --> 05:14:30,470
meets code, but it's weaker so that it'll bend, not just fall flat or anything like that.

2626
05:14:30,470 --> 05:14:32,630
So that's how that's dealt with.

2627
05:14:34,070 --> 05:14:38,530
I've been doing this over 30 years working in the towers and presenting towers.

2628
05:14:40,050 --> 05:14:45,550
You know, I've seen towers hit to get direct hits from a tornado and they still just

2629
05:14:45,550 --> 05:14:45,990
been.

2630
05:14:46,410 --> 05:14:48,410
You would think it would be otherwise, but they don't.

2631
05:14:48,590 --> 05:14:49,870
They just been.

2632
05:14:50,790 --> 05:14:54,690
Same with the experience during the major hurricanes over the years.

2633
05:14:54,690 --> 05:14:59,970
the towers during Hurricane Katrina category five and went to the new world.

2634
05:15:02,360 --> 05:15:12,800
The Towers would, you know, largely stayed, the ones that started tilting some or ones where there were flood waters washed out the foundation, some.

2635
05:15:13,600 --> 05:15:19,040
In that instance, that did happen, but they didn't fall. They just tilted a little bit.

2636
05:15:19,520 --> 05:15:28,160
As a result of the foundation being washed out, but they really didn't lose any significant towers even during that severe storm.

2637
05:15:29,320 --> 05:15:33,200
And then my other question was, are there buildings within that circumference?

2638
05:15:33,260 --> 05:15:37,360
They're no buildings within the compound around the town.

2639
05:15:37,400 --> 05:15:40,400
Within what would be the circumference if it did fall?

2640
05:15:40,800 --> 05:15:44,000
Yeah, they're nothing, they're buildings nearby.

2641
05:15:45,080 --> 05:15:46,260
That would be a risk.

2642
05:15:47,200 --> 05:15:51,420
And we have to show, when we have a falls-on letter in the file that shows how it will fall

2643
05:15:51,420 --> 05:15:57,600
and certify that engineer that it will not fall in an area that will create an issue

2644
05:15:57,600 --> 05:15:58,280
for any buildings.

2645
05:15:58,920 --> 05:16:00,620
But again, in this area, it's just woods.

2646
05:16:01,080 --> 05:16:02,120
There's no building here, Bob.

2647
05:16:08,260 --> 05:16:08,660
Go ahead.

2648
05:16:09,120 --> 05:16:10,580
I want you to tell the question, Gina.

2649
05:16:10,720 --> 05:16:13,440
So you talked about colocating on these towers.

2650
05:16:13,680 --> 05:16:16,520
Is it a possibility that law enforcement can colocate?

2651
05:16:17,160 --> 05:16:17,540
Sure.

2652
05:16:17,740 --> 05:16:21,060
I mean, we have a law enforcement colocate a lot.

2653
05:16:21,800 --> 05:16:25,480
I know there is a county tower outside the mile and a half

2654
05:16:25,480 --> 05:16:28,200
that we had to look at in terms of looking at this tower.

2655
05:16:28,460 --> 05:16:30,960
There's a county tower, public safety tower,

2656
05:16:30,960 --> 05:16:34,120
I think in that area, your gulps and up that one.

2657
05:16:35,040 --> 05:16:37,800
But yes, if we certainly have space available,

2658
05:16:38,060 --> 05:16:40,220
public safety wants to come and talk to us about,

2659
05:16:40,620 --> 05:16:42,260
make about having space available.

2660
05:16:42,800 --> 05:16:46,280
We can offer for free, but still, it's available for them.

2661
05:16:51,110 --> 05:16:53,930
Could you compare the height of the tower

2662
05:16:53,930 --> 05:16:56,930
to the trees that were shown in the surrounding area?

2663
05:16:57,150 --> 05:16:59,370
The trees look to be about 75 or 100 foot.

2664
05:16:59,570 --> 05:17:01,110
So we're talking about something larger than that,

2665
05:17:01,130 --> 05:17:05,450
but the angles of the pictures don't give that up here.

2666
05:17:05,450 --> 05:17:10,950
so that difference. Well I'm curious if I have that about right or if it's less than the best

2667
05:17:10,950 --> 05:17:18,690
one you can do let me say best one the gives you an idea of that is right here is this one we're not

2668
05:17:18,690 --> 05:17:26,710
seeing it yet we have to switch it on but it's all in perspective and the way it works

2669
05:17:26,710 --> 05:17:35,390
having done this as you get closer to the tower it's kind of more hidden because it's up in the

2670
05:17:35,390 --> 05:17:40,610
this is more hidden. As you come back a little bit, you start to see it more, as you come

2671
05:17:40,610 --> 05:17:45,370
back from the side. But then you reach at a point further out that the tower again disappears

2672
05:17:45,370 --> 05:17:50,970
among the trees. And so that's what these fetus simulations are intended to illustrate

2673
05:17:51,570 --> 05:17:55,870
just how that is. Yes, it will stick above the tree. If you're right there on Merchison Road

2674
05:17:55,870 --> 05:17:59,710
and you're standing right at the side, you're going to see it sticking up about the trees and

2675
05:17:59,710 --> 05:18:04,650
probably you know I would say I haven't measured the trees there so I don't know for

2676
05:18:04,650 --> 05:18:09,630
fact but your estimates probably about right so the rest of it will stick up for

2677
05:18:09,630 --> 05:18:14,750
sure that is a single poll which makes it less attrusive than some of the other

2678
05:18:14,750 --> 05:18:19,310
types of towers it could be used and it will be light and it will be it won't be light

2679
05:18:19,310 --> 05:18:24,350
light it okay and could you or one of your team speak to the property value

2680
05:18:24,350 --> 05:18:29,030
impacts that are expected up or down the types of properties that are around

2681
05:18:29,030 --> 05:18:30,670
I'm just a kind of, I'm sure. Thank you.

2682
05:18:30,790 --> 05:18:34,650
As Michael Barcawitz, I'll let him introduce himself and give him his address.

2683
05:18:35,030 --> 05:18:36,490
My name is Michael Barcawitz.

2684
05:18:37,150 --> 05:18:39,850
My address is 1100 Sundance Strive Concord North Carolina.

2685
05:18:40,110 --> 05:18:43,610
I've been a certified general prisoner for over 20 years.

2686
05:18:43,970 --> 05:18:48,330
What you want to do, first of the thing that I did with this because of your ordinance is,

2687
05:18:48,330 --> 05:18:50,690
I did what is called Identifying the Neighborhood.

2688
05:18:51,410 --> 05:18:54,690
The 421 quarter is obviously a major transportation quarter,

2689
05:18:54,830 --> 05:18:56,410
and that's called a radio growth pattern.

2690
05:18:56,410 --> 05:19:03,230
also you have sporadic industrial around there as well. So as I'm looking at that particular area

2691
05:19:03,230 --> 05:19:08,010
what's going to happen, to me it looks like that those are excellent opportunities for

2692
05:19:08,010 --> 05:19:13,090
additional industrial because of the highway connectivity and everything that's around it.

2693
05:19:13,130 --> 05:19:21,690
I think there's a, there's a, gosh, a mine or the Vulcan mark mariana. There's a quarry and

2694
05:19:21,690 --> 05:19:27,370
recycling plants, I'm very heavy industrial stuff, which would be more of an external influence

2695
05:19:27,960 --> 05:19:34,650
than this tower, you know, having an industrial recycling plant nearby is a little bit more

2696
05:19:34,650 --> 05:19:38,110
intrusive noise, odor, those types of things, these are silent.

2697
05:19:38,990 --> 05:19:43,210
What I also did is it's saying, so that would be determination of value.

2698
05:19:43,610 --> 05:19:48,750
To me, the way I look at that strip and it's, it's old commercial, there's a milk commercial

2699
05:19:48,750 --> 05:19:54,830
on 421, but as I drove by it, I was like, that section is, if something's going to grow,

2700
05:19:55,250 --> 05:19:55,550
they are.

2701
05:19:55,790 --> 05:20:00,190
It's going to be commercial or industrial or something as the population grows.

2702
05:20:00,430 --> 05:20:01,930
It was mature at that point.

2703
05:20:02,650 --> 05:20:07,710
As far as what I did provided my report, there's two ways to look at it from an adjustment.

2704
05:20:08,250 --> 05:20:12,090
It's the question is, as an appraiser, would I adjust these things downward?

2705
05:20:13,310 --> 05:20:18,330
And what I look at is a quantitative analysis, which I provide where you can isolate the

2706
05:20:18,330 --> 05:20:23,170
power versus not a tower which I provided in the report, as well as a qualitative analysis

2707
05:20:23,170 --> 05:20:28,950
given the surrounding land values, and really, the 421 corridor will be next to a

2708
05:20:28,950 --> 05:20:29,230
highway.

2709
05:20:29,470 --> 05:20:34,410
I've done studies where if your house is on a highway, it's going to sell for a little bit less

2710
05:20:34,410 --> 05:20:39,710
than it would be off the highway, and that makes sense given the ways traffic those types

2711
05:20:39,710 --> 05:20:40,210
of things.

2712
05:20:40,510 --> 05:20:44,990
But that's the analysis that I provided in this, based upon the location of where this

2713
05:20:44,990 --> 05:20:52,390
and the surrounding, and the character of the neighborhood, that it would not, it would not adversely impact property values.

2714
05:20:52,870 --> 05:20:57,970
And that covers all the surrounding property values, not just the heavy industrial that are closed by.

2715
05:20:58,030 --> 05:20:59,350
No, the whole corridor.

2716
05:21:00,010 --> 05:21:04,110
Because when you're looking at that, you have to say, oh, it's near the 421 corridor.

2717
05:21:04,810 --> 05:21:06,350
That's more of an external influence.

2718
05:21:06,930 --> 05:21:10,090
And from an appraisal or simply we use term called multi-colinearity,

2719
05:21:10,770 --> 05:21:12,850
which if you look at like the electrical poles,

2720
05:21:12,850 --> 05:21:20,110
I've had somebody's argue, I had an iron maybe, and they put a cell tower within the, you know,

2721
05:21:20,230 --> 05:21:25,470
round there, and to say that the tower, and not the iron maybe, is causing the problem,

2722
05:21:25,470 --> 05:21:32,910
naturally, and so multiple things can contribute to an adjustment, but to attribute to anyone,

2723
05:21:33,130 --> 05:21:40,550
and given the poles, the highway, the industrial, those are all three external factors that are much more invasive,

2724
05:21:40,550 --> 05:21:42,710
to hire an impact then this time.

2725
05:21:43,510 --> 05:21:46,250
And I heard Angela Plumber say that the contact

2726
05:21:46,250 --> 05:21:48,790
she or the staff have had has been positive generally

2727
05:21:48,790 --> 05:21:51,430
from residents who are eager to have additional,

2728
05:21:52,310 --> 05:21:53,670
so have them come to a bridge.

2729
05:21:53,790 --> 05:21:54,390
She did have anything.

2730
05:21:55,170 --> 05:21:56,930
But since leading to something that might be for you.

2731
05:21:57,430 --> 05:22:02,950
So what is there a close, large residential community

2732
05:22:02,950 --> 05:22:04,350
that might be affected differently

2733
05:22:04,350 --> 05:22:06,830
and value compared to the industrial corridor?

2734
05:22:06,950 --> 05:22:09,990
I have done multiple subdivisions and analyses.

2735
05:22:09,990 --> 05:22:14,630
And in fact, I've had one, I think the latest one I did was an harness bounty.

2736
05:22:15,450 --> 05:22:17,230
And it was a brand new subdivision.

2737
05:22:17,890 --> 05:22:21,950
You had one house, same exact square footage, same year build.

2738
05:22:22,510 --> 05:22:30,610
So, without the view of the tower, and the one width of the view of the tower, they sold within a week of each other to be exact same price.

2739
05:22:30,710 --> 05:22:36,710
Okay, so, in your report, you're essentially saying, you don't see an impact there, even for a large cluster of residents.

2740
05:22:36,950 --> 05:22:37,450
Okay, thank you.

2741
05:22:37,450 --> 05:22:38,550
to know if you're a bulletin.

2742
05:22:41,580 --> 05:22:44,220
And I can speak to, like, at the neighborhood meeting,

2743
05:22:44,540 --> 05:22:47,520
we had several people come, like I said,

2744
05:22:47,980 --> 05:22:49,980
they make concern was as if how we're going to be lighted,

2745
05:22:49,980 --> 05:22:50,720
which is not.

2746
05:22:51,400 --> 05:22:54,380
And then there was a council member for Goldstone there,

2747
05:22:54,400 --> 05:22:56,080
because we had it that library in Goldstone,

2748
05:22:56,320 --> 05:22:57,980
it was in favor of it.

2749
05:22:58,700 --> 05:23:00,940
I think the mayor pro-tom also contacted us

2750
05:23:00,940 --> 05:23:02,220
to come to the neighborhood meeting,

2751
05:23:02,740 --> 05:23:05,380
but he won't talk about fire, the fire department,

2752
05:23:06,240 --> 05:23:08,360
but he was generally favorable as well.

2753
05:23:08,360 --> 05:23:17,480
And I don't know who called Angela, so I don't know who called about that, but that's what I know in terms of what the community shared with us.

2754
05:23:20,160 --> 05:23:20,280
Thank you.

2755
05:23:20,280 --> 05:23:23,440
Are there any other questions that all?

2756
05:23:25,320 --> 05:23:26,520
Anything else you'd like to share?

2757
05:23:27,460 --> 05:23:27,800
Nothing.

2758
05:23:28,020 --> 05:23:30,560
I'd just ask for the approval of the specialties permit.

2759
05:23:30,560 --> 05:23:39,240
I know you will consider the later meeting that given this location and the need for the service and the overall points within your specialties permit.

2760
05:23:39,240 --> 05:23:43,400
we meet those requirements, and then we have within the packet, we went through every part

2761
05:23:43,400 --> 05:23:47,260
of the ordinance, and then address each requirement which we made.

2762
05:23:47,840 --> 05:23:52,500
So I would just ask you to consider this vaguely and approve it at your upcoming meeting.

2763
05:23:53,180 --> 05:23:53,600
Thank you.

2764
05:23:53,860 --> 05:23:54,460
Thank you.

2765
05:23:54,740 --> 05:23:58,300
All right, I'll close the hearing and refer this item to the planning board then.

2766
05:23:58,340 --> 05:23:59,260
Thank you very much.

2767
05:24:01,280 --> 05:24:09,920
Okay, next on the agenda is item 2600259, continue the legislative public hearing

2768
05:24:09,920 --> 05:24:15,140
rezoning requested by a fairing to property development LLC to rezone and parcels

2769
05:24:15,140 --> 05:24:26,960
to 867-868-869-842-2807-82095254, located off 724 Andrews Store Road, Parker,

2770
05:24:26,960 --> 05:24:34,340
here in Dundraud and Morris Road from R1 residential to CDC, Conditional District Compact Community,

2771
05:24:35,420 --> 05:24:42,220
being approximately 371.8 to 2 acres, Baldwin Township.

2772
05:24:43,900 --> 05:24:48,300
I think the first thing we need to do is

2773
05:24:55,920 --> 05:24:58,480
determine if

2774
05:25:01,870 --> 05:25:03,070
you're going to go first.

2775
05:25:04,350 --> 05:25:09,890
If it would please the board, we would like to hear from the applicant to see if they can address

2776
05:25:09,890 --> 05:25:14,530
any of the concerns we've already raised, and then hold our comments or anything we have

2777
05:25:14,530 --> 05:25:18,750
further after the applicant and or any public hearing public input.

2778
05:25:19,730 --> 05:25:20,310
Thank you.

2779
05:25:20,850 --> 05:25:21,230
Thank you.

2780
05:25:22,090 --> 05:25:22,350
All right.

2781
05:25:22,530 --> 05:25:33,660
So basically we would have to motion to deviate from rules to extend the time present and the attorney

2782
05:25:33,660 --> 05:25:38,420
for the application had asked for more than 15 minutes to present at this meeting.

2783
05:25:38,740 --> 05:25:42,500
If the Board of Commissioners would like to honor that request, we would need to vote

2784
05:25:42,500 --> 05:25:47,940
to deviate from the adopted rules of procedure with the board like to deviate from the

2785
05:25:47,940 --> 05:25:49,500
rules of procedure for this option.

2786
05:25:49,800 --> 05:25:54,240
If so, how much time would you like to provide for the applicant?

2787
05:25:59,680 --> 05:26:03,060
Yeah, I understand that applicant wants to respond to what they heard.

2788
05:26:03,060 --> 05:26:08,140
And I'm not enthusiastic about that,

2789
05:26:08,400 --> 05:26:11,980
but I feel like an additional 15 minutes is reasonable.

2790
05:26:12,560 --> 05:26:14,980
Considering that the public gets two minutes each

2791
05:26:14,980 --> 05:26:17,940
and they've already received there a lot of 15 minutes.

2792
05:26:18,780 --> 05:26:20,700
And that's what I feel most comfortable with.

2793
05:26:22,760 --> 05:26:23,320
Oh, that's nice.

2794
05:26:23,960 --> 05:26:24,220
Yeah.

2795
05:26:25,760 --> 05:26:30,160
I don't think that's going to be enough time to hear the things

2796
05:26:30,160 --> 05:26:32,220
we want to hear, or are we going to end up asking

2797
05:26:32,220 --> 05:26:34,240
a lot more questions than we need to.

2798
05:26:34,240 --> 05:26:37,820
And I would be inclined to say, could close a bit and half an hour,

2799
05:26:37,900 --> 05:26:41,920
25 minutes, half an hour, so that they can address the topics

2800
05:26:41,920 --> 05:26:43,720
that they can within that amount of time,

2801
05:26:43,760 --> 05:26:47,040
because we do have some amount of time

2802
05:26:47,040 --> 05:26:49,080
that we're comfortable with calling it.

2803
05:26:49,780 --> 05:26:54,360
But that 15 minutes, I think that original 15 minutes was short.

2804
05:26:55,020 --> 05:26:58,840
And I know that's our rule, but it was a truncated time frame.

2805
05:26:59,520 --> 05:27:02,060
And there are still things to be a lot open.

2806
05:27:02,060 --> 05:27:12,840
I don't think it would hurt for us in the public to hear as much as we can, rather than shift us to the planning board and have them receive this with so much open.

2807
05:27:14,180 --> 05:27:17,860
Okay, thank you. Commissioner Gomez for your thoughts.

2808
05:27:19,380 --> 05:27:32,750
I understand the 15-minute logic, but I also would be kind of curious to know what the applicant,

2809
05:27:32,750 --> 05:27:35,310
How much time do you estimate they would need?

2810
05:27:40,890 --> 05:27:58,410
And I'd just like to add, I think I say the 15 minutes, because I think actually a lot of the stuff that was presented by the public and our staff was things that I was informed that they were questioned about multiple times why their application was including some of these things.

2811
05:27:58,410 --> 05:28:04,870
So I just, I feel that they've had a lot of feedback and input, but I understand if

2812
05:28:04,870 --> 05:28:07,710
the board would like to hear more of their presentation.

2813
05:28:11,740 --> 05:28:16,880
No, I think, for me, it's more of making sure that we get the answers to the questions

2814
05:28:16,880 --> 05:28:19,840
left open that the last meeting.

2815
05:28:21,000 --> 05:28:23,180
How much time do you think you would need there?

2816
05:28:25,050 --> 05:28:25,410
I'm not sure.

2817
05:28:25,630 --> 05:28:26,030
Thank you so much.

2818
05:28:26,190 --> 05:28:27,490
Nick Robinson here on behalf of the applicant.

2819
05:28:27,490 --> 05:28:34,150
But I think that my initial thought and really trying to think hard about what are the buckets

2820
05:28:34,150 --> 05:28:39,410
of issues that y'all would want to hear more about based on the public screen was that

2821
05:28:39,410 --> 05:28:47,130
if you included our responses and reports from the traffic consultant and the Polpre Greek

2822
05:28:47,130 --> 05:28:51,730
Restoration Consultant and there are questions in response to their et cetera that will probably

2823
05:28:51,730 --> 05:28:52,450
take an hour.

2824
05:28:52,930 --> 05:28:57,350
But I think if we had, if we were given a half an hour to just run our stuff through, we could

2825
05:28:57,350 --> 05:28:57,670
that.

2826
05:29:00,580 --> 05:29:05,600
And of course, everybody be available for questions after that if that procedure works.

2827
05:29:06,620 --> 05:29:10,160
But we defer to the board. I mean, I really think there'll be a lot of helpful information

2828
05:29:10,160 --> 05:29:12,420
in this presentation tonight. There'll be helpful for you all.

2829
05:29:12,620 --> 05:29:18,420
I hope so. There's a lot of gaps and a lot of missing things. So hopefully you can resolve

2830
05:29:18,420 --> 05:29:24,600
some of those things, Nick. I'm inclined to agree with the 25 minute limit with the five

2831
05:29:24,600 --> 05:29:27,960
And then it, um, for rebuttal.

2832
05:29:28,980 --> 05:29:29,690
I think you can do that.

2833
05:29:30,900 --> 05:29:31,120
Oh, sure.

2834
05:29:31,380 --> 05:29:32,460
Yeah, that sounds great.

2835
05:29:34,080 --> 05:29:46,000
And I think to change the order up a little bit because I know our planning staff has a lot of questions and a lot of gaps in their understanding for where you are right now with this proposed development.

2836
05:29:46,800 --> 05:29:54,580
I'd like to go ahead and have you present and take questions and then planning staff can present along with any expert

2837
05:29:54,600 --> 05:29:59,980
that we have and attendants to answer for the questions on the part of it.

2838
05:30:00,110 --> 05:30:00,650
Board.

2839
05:30:02,750 --> 05:30:11,790
And then I think maybe have public comment in between planning staff and your folks.

2840
05:30:14,870 --> 05:30:15,750
That work?

2841
05:30:17,050 --> 05:30:21,990
For the record of our May, if the board wants to take a visual action to deviate in the way.

2842
05:30:21,990 --> 05:30:22,670
I said, I have been.

2843
05:30:22,670 --> 05:30:23,390
I need a motion.

2844
05:30:24,050 --> 05:30:25,370
Yes, yes. Thank you.

2845
05:30:25,590 --> 05:30:25,870
All right.

2846
05:30:25,870 --> 05:30:30,130
Is there a motion to deviate from the rules to extend the time?

2847
05:30:30,530 --> 05:30:32,710
25 minutes with a five-minute rebuttal?

2848
05:30:32,850 --> 05:30:33,500
Summ up.

2849
05:30:34,310 --> 05:30:34,590
I'll second.

2850
05:30:34,850 --> 05:30:35,550
So good.

2851
05:30:35,870 --> 05:30:36,370
All in favor.

2852
05:30:37,630 --> 05:30:37,770
Hi.

2853
05:30:38,850 --> 05:30:39,310
All right.

2854
05:30:39,710 --> 05:30:40,050
Motion carries.

2855
05:30:40,790 --> 05:30:41,030
Great.

2856
05:30:41,210 --> 05:30:41,870
Thank you so much.

2857
05:30:42,170 --> 05:30:42,510
Thank you.

2858
05:30:42,670 --> 05:30:44,490
And Nick, just for my own sense.

2859
05:30:44,790 --> 05:30:46,470
So I don't get off track here.

2860
05:30:46,690 --> 05:30:46,970
Yes.

2861
05:30:47,050 --> 05:30:49,430
You're going to present with any of the experts you have.

2862
05:30:49,490 --> 05:30:50,470
You have 25 minutes.

2863
05:30:51,470 --> 05:30:53,870
And then we're going to have public comment.

2864
05:30:54,850 --> 05:30:59,550
And then after that, the planning staff will have the floor.

2865
05:30:59,910 --> 05:31:00,030
Okay.

2866
05:31:00,650 --> 05:31:00,990
Thank you.

2867
05:31:01,170 --> 05:31:03,270
And then we were butt.

2868
05:31:04,710 --> 05:31:04,950
Okay.

2869
05:31:05,270 --> 05:31:05,630
That's great.

2870
05:31:05,710 --> 05:31:06,430
I appreciate that.

2871
05:31:06,430 --> 05:31:07,650
Thanks so much to the Board.

2872
05:31:07,950 --> 05:31:08,670
I appreciate the consideration.

2873
05:31:08,870 --> 05:31:09,270
Good evening.

2874
05:31:09,650 --> 05:31:10,550
Madam Chair Board members.

2875
05:31:10,750 --> 05:31:11,410
My name's Nick Robinson.

2876
05:31:12,110 --> 05:31:15,150
And I'm here on behalf of Fairington Property Development LLC.

2877
05:31:15,690 --> 05:31:21,270
The applicant, very much appreciate this opportunity to clarify a few things and report

2878
05:31:21,270 --> 05:31:22,450
some updates and some progress.

2879
05:31:22,450 --> 05:31:32,990
But for I get to that, I just want to say that it's important to recognize that what

2880
05:31:32,990 --> 05:31:35,730
we've got here is a context, right?

2881
05:31:35,730 --> 05:31:40,390
And we recognize that the approval of this project is not a by-right project.

2882
05:31:40,550 --> 05:31:45,210
This is one where you have to decide that it's in the best interest to approve a project

2883
05:31:45,210 --> 05:31:46,770
like this in a compact community.

2884
05:31:47,170 --> 05:31:51,090
So we know that you have to be convinced and you have to believe that it's the right thing,

2885
05:31:51,090 --> 05:31:55,750
and that it's overall better for the community than whatever the alternative is.

2886
05:31:56,370 --> 05:32:00,090
And we believe this is better for the community than what the alternative is,

2887
05:32:00,430 --> 05:32:05,530
because it brings with it a affordable housing, much lower price points, smaller lots, more open space.

2888
05:32:06,070 --> 05:32:09,730
But it's also imperative to be clear-eyed, I think, about the alternative.

2889
05:32:09,930 --> 05:32:14,750
What is the alternative of this compact community proposal for this project?

2890
05:32:14,850 --> 05:32:16,130
And it's the buy-right option.

2891
05:32:16,130 --> 05:32:21,970
the version that legally has to be approved, and that will take the form of a conservation

2892
05:32:21,970 --> 05:32:28,090
subdivision or other straight subdivision that will likely have about 400 homes in it.

2893
05:32:28,310 --> 05:32:32,290
None of the homes will be affordable because the way you pay for affordable homes is to spread

2894
05:32:32,290 --> 05:32:39,090
the cost of the amount over higher density. The land plan will be, and those homes are going

2895
05:32:39,090 --> 05:32:44,330
to be much more expensive. You know, high six figures, seven figures. The land plan will be

2896
05:32:44,330 --> 05:32:52,490
similar and the traffic difference will be negligible. So that's the context. You just have to decide which of those two you think is best overall.

2897
05:32:53,590 --> 05:33:01,490
So immediately after the hearing last month we went to work trying to figure out what ways the project could be modified to meet or respond to the

2898
05:33:01,490 --> 05:33:05,330
concerns that were raised at the public hearing and those topics we're going to address tonight.

2899
05:33:06,190 --> 05:33:13,530
I thought felt it in two about four buckets or four categories, affordable housing and I know that Jamie Andrews is going to speak

2900
05:33:13,530 --> 05:33:17,530
in part on that, so I won't steal a lot of the thunder there, but we've made a lot of progress there.

2901
05:33:18,550 --> 05:33:25,330
Restoration of Pope Bury Creek, Adam McIntyre is here tonight. He's the company that will do the restoration to which we're committed.

2902
05:33:26,210 --> 05:33:29,450
And that addresses flooding concerns too. And then traffic.

2903
05:33:29,750 --> 05:33:33,270
Minal Stevenson is here as well. He's the traffic engineer to address those.

2904
05:33:33,890 --> 05:33:38,250
And then the last topic is Parks and Rec and Connectivity. So I just wanted to give you that roadmap.

2905
05:33:40,650 --> 05:33:48,310
So, those are the issues that will address, and in the meantime, as a result of the public

2906
05:33:48,310 --> 05:33:52,290
here, we did make a few changes to the concept plan for this project that I wanted to show

2907
05:33:52,290 --> 05:33:52,710
you.

2908
05:33:52,830 --> 05:33:56,170
I don't think they're on the screen at this moment.

2909
05:33:58,520 --> 05:33:58,980
There you go.

2910
05:33:59,100 --> 05:33:59,360
Great.

2911
05:33:59,360 --> 05:33:59,960
Thank you so much.

2912
05:34:00,040 --> 05:34:00,560
A few changes.

2913
05:34:01,000 --> 05:34:03,660
The affordable housing proposal, which is in this area.

2914
05:34:03,720 --> 05:34:08,480
If you recall originally, it was going to be limited to this section here and it would be

2915
05:34:08,480 --> 05:34:12,480
32 units that we would give lots for.

2916
05:34:12,660 --> 05:34:14,660
We've had some good conversations with two meetings

2917
05:34:14,660 --> 05:34:18,920
with in person and one virtual, with the affordable housing

2918
05:34:18,920 --> 05:34:22,100
staff and the county manager, and that proposal.

2919
05:34:22,380 --> 05:34:23,760
Nick, can you speak in the mic?

2920
05:34:23,800 --> 05:34:26,540
I'm so sorry, yeah, it's always over here to the right

2921
05:34:26,540 --> 05:34:27,360
to the left.

2922
05:34:27,760 --> 05:34:31,800
That proposal, we found out that the county basically

2923
05:34:31,800 --> 05:34:34,540
would prefer not to have lots delivered to it,

2924
05:34:34,700 --> 05:34:36,760
but to have raw land delivered to it,

2925
05:34:36,760 --> 05:34:40,120
so that the county could design its own affordable housing program.

2926
05:34:40,580 --> 05:34:47,240
So, when talking about that, we agreed that we would donate to the county, not only the northern portion of on the interstore road,

2927
05:34:47,280 --> 05:34:53,720
but also if the county was so inclined, the southern portion, which is where the commercial was going to go, if it were to be effective.

2928
05:34:54,880 --> 05:35:00,260
And Jamie can address the county response that we put, I think it was very positive.

2929
05:35:00,620 --> 05:35:05,800
We put together a term sheet that we've been working on, and Jamie will bring that to the floor.

2930
05:35:06,620 --> 05:35:19,180
The other thing is in the public input session, the prior chapel community association had some concerns about the density up here in the extent to which it might impose on the common areas that are in prior chapel.

2931
05:35:19,980 --> 05:35:23,860
And so we've redesigned this area here. We thought that was a worthwhile critique.

2932
05:35:24,720 --> 05:35:32,040
And one that we hadn't thought of. And so we redesigned this area to put its own amenity area up here for the benefit of the residents in that section.

2933
05:35:32,040 --> 05:35:34,640
It'll be public and available.

2934
05:35:36,880 --> 05:35:39,360
So that was one change to the site plan.

2935
05:35:39,780 --> 05:35:42,700
Another thing came up after the public hearing.

2936
05:35:42,920 --> 05:35:44,740
We received notice from the fire, Marshall,

2937
05:35:46,100 --> 05:35:48,180
that there were new rules adopted in Chadden County

2938
05:35:48,180 --> 05:35:50,980
that require more than one access if you have more

2939
05:35:50,980 --> 05:35:52,840
than 100 lots in a single place.

2940
05:35:53,260 --> 05:35:56,060
And this section down here, you

2941
05:35:56,060 --> 05:35:58,280
should have more than 100 lots in it.

2942
05:35:58,520 --> 05:36:01,140
But since it only has this one ingress and egress point,

2943
05:36:01,140 --> 05:36:04,140
we've reduced that down to below 100.

2944
05:36:06,100 --> 05:36:10,480
The Parkland donation, we had conversations with Parks and Rec staff,

2945
05:36:10,600 --> 05:36:12,540
and I can talk about that a little bit more later,

2946
05:36:13,220 --> 05:36:16,480
and then somebody asked us to make sure that this map shows

2947
05:36:16,480 --> 05:36:20,180
the trail connectivity, which it does throughout the project,

2948
05:36:20,560 --> 05:36:22,500
including to the affordable housing section,

2949
05:36:23,560 --> 05:36:26,780
and also to the existing,

2950
05:36:26,780 --> 05:36:33,320
by our chapel community park. You can see that trail right there. This is a close-up of the affordable housing

2951
05:36:33,320 --> 05:36:40,340
section that Jamie will be talking about later. Okay, so I want to turn it over now very quickly

2952
05:36:40,920 --> 05:36:48,720
to add them to talk about the Boatbury Creek Restoration and our commitment to that.

2953
05:36:50,530 --> 05:36:57,410
Thank you, guys. I'm going to have to blow through about 26 years of experience in five minutes, so

2954
05:36:57,410 --> 05:37:07,670
So all I've been committed to doing put very creek restoration, I've looked at this project 15 years ago, and I've been working with the original developer and then shared and so we're very much committed to doing this.

2955
05:37:08,130 --> 05:37:16,390
What we can't do is move forward with the mitigation to restoration component until the development gets settled out. So that's kind of wanting to hit on today.

2956
05:37:16,990 --> 05:37:25,670
So real quick we break this into two parks or there's a put very creek component in bribe chapel and there's a put very component from bribe chapel down to Morris Road.

2957
05:37:25,670 --> 05:37:32,670
If you look at Pokedbury Creek as a whole, it's actually in stable conditions for most part except for that section.

2958
05:37:33,230 --> 05:37:42,850
So our purpose in goal has been all along to restore two different sections of Pokedbury, which would complete Pokedbury's health condition, basically, essentially to the Hall River.

2959
05:37:44,010 --> 05:37:49,670
So we have grant funding committed to us for the Port Part and Breyer Chapel because we can't use mitigation funds for that.

2960
05:37:49,670 --> 05:37:54,810
And once that gets in place, then the funds will be put in place for restoring all the way to Morris Road.

2961
05:37:55,430 --> 05:38:04,890
One thing that I want to really want to hit on today is that is to understand what the stream restoration does from a flood, a resiliency standpoint.

2962
05:38:05,750 --> 05:38:09,770
So we've been doing these projects for, you know, at least 26 years in North Consons, I've been doing it.

2963
05:38:09,910 --> 05:38:18,610
So reconnecting streams to the floodplain, actually slow down floodwaters, that actually store floodwaters, and they provide the flood attenuation that this county really needs.

2964
05:38:18,610 --> 05:38:25,790
We see bigger storms coming, we're seeing more flooding issues on Andrew Stool Road and Morris Road, which act lights, where dams.

2965
05:38:26,030 --> 05:38:28,390
Water moves really quickly through impaired streams.

2966
05:38:28,950 --> 05:38:35,290
And the way to fix that is to reattach the streams to their flood plains, so it slows down water.

2967
05:38:35,730 --> 05:38:38,170
So I'm a wonderful picture of Briar Chapel portion.

2968
05:38:39,490 --> 05:38:46,090
Up here in the red section of Briar Chapel, everything's stable, it's the green section where things are really unstable and unhealthy.

2969
05:38:46,090 --> 05:38:53,610
So it's a perfect example. 15 years ago when I first visited the water surface elevation was at that red area.

2970
05:38:54,090 --> 05:39:01,490
So when you had a flood event, the water spread out over a 30 acre wetland area, stored that water before it moved downstream.

2971
05:39:01,830 --> 05:39:07,810
Now the base flows at that yellow area, those pipes are actually exposed because of erosion and unhealthy conditions.

2972
05:39:08,390 --> 05:39:14,190
So what we would do is restore that back to what it was, which would slow down floodwaters before they get to Andrew's store road.

2973
05:39:14,190 --> 05:39:19,190
As it relates to put very, put very creek, the things I want to hit on is there's

2974
05:39:19,190 --> 05:39:23,510
22,000 linear feet, there's over 7 tributaries, there's actually 10, but there's 7,

2975
05:39:23,630 --> 05:39:28,410
they're primarily focused on 8,000 of those 22,000 feet are severely unstable.

2976
05:39:29,230 --> 05:39:33,430
And they're pushing water really quickly to Andrew's store road and really quickly to Morris Road.

2977
05:39:33,850 --> 05:39:39,590
So our project, which will restore all 8,000 feet, put 40 acres of restored floodplain back in place,

2978
05:39:39,590 --> 05:39:45,530
Protect another sixty acres of floodplain, put binding in place to make sure the project stays in perpetuity,

2979
05:39:46,030 --> 05:39:50,830
and have a long-term management plan to make sure the project functions forever.

2980
05:39:51,570 --> 05:39:54,770
We can't move forward with the restoration project until the development settle.

2981
05:39:55,110 --> 05:39:59,710
So the agencies that approve my projects are saying, Adam, show me the footprint of the development.

2982
05:40:00,050 --> 05:40:06,830
So we know that your engineering project can actually remediate and deal with those issues that you're doing.

2983
05:40:06,830 --> 05:40:09,690
So that's the reason we can't move forward until this is done.

2984
05:40:10,550 --> 05:40:14,670
Just in conditions on the Pope Bear Creek, when you see trees, later like that, you know

2985
05:40:14,670 --> 05:40:15,770
it's an unhealthy system.

2986
05:40:16,190 --> 05:40:21,670
This channel should be two feet tall, two feet to two and a half feet deep, Jamie six foot

2987
05:40:21,670 --> 05:40:27,030
twos that kind of gives you an idea of how deep and messed up the tributaries on this mitigation

2988
05:40:27,030 --> 05:40:27,710
project are.

2989
05:40:27,810 --> 05:40:31,270
The one on the right, that channel should be about a foot and a half deep in this 12 feet

2990
05:40:31,270 --> 05:40:31,450
deep.

2991
05:40:31,570 --> 05:40:36,670
So what happens is these channels when it rains, they just, they act like pipes and they push

2992
05:40:36,670 --> 05:40:40,750
water down really quickly. So the flooding issues will continue to get worse unless this

2993
05:40:40,750 --> 05:40:46,390
restoration project is approved. Footprint of the easement that we're talking about doing

2994
05:40:46,390 --> 05:40:50,890
a slightly over 100 acres everything in a hundred year floodplain and even outside of that

2995
05:40:50,890 --> 05:40:56,330
has been added to the footprint. You see the tributaries and we're restoring all the unhealthy

2996
05:40:56,330 --> 05:41:00,530
systems up there. Real quick, don't get too caught up into these numbers but we've already

2997
05:41:00,530 --> 05:41:04,890
run preliminary numbers from about a year ago. We'll be at a reduced flood stage that

2998
05:41:04,890 --> 05:41:08,810
a major store road by foot, which doesn't sound like a lot, but if you measure a foot

2999
05:41:08,810 --> 05:41:13,150
depth, times the width of the floodplain to the depth of the floodplain, you're talking

3000
05:41:13,150 --> 05:41:19,390
about thousands of volumes of water volume that will be reduced by restoring these

3001
05:41:19,390 --> 05:41:23,010
channels coming into it. So our projects are used all over the state of North Carolina

3002
05:41:23,010 --> 05:41:26,270
all over the country for controlling and reducing flood issues.

3003
05:41:26,850 --> 05:41:29,210
Excuse me. How are you going to control the storms?

3004
05:41:29,790 --> 05:41:30,650
We can't control storms.

3005
05:41:30,870 --> 05:41:33,110
Right. I mean, we're looking at a climate change in storm.

3006
05:41:33,110 --> 05:41:37,830
So we're in some more stores coming, so as a matter of fact, the date is not published

3007
05:41:37,830 --> 05:41:45,410
set, but 87% of the channels in Asheville area that were stable and got through Pileen

3008
05:41:45,410 --> 05:41:50,030
were the restored channels, the ones that caused the most damage were ones that were incised

3009
05:41:50,030 --> 05:41:50,710
and unstable.

3010
05:41:50,990 --> 05:41:55,810
So by restoring these channels, we're restoring floodplain function where it's been lost,

3011
05:41:55,990 --> 05:41:57,850
and that's what slows the water down.

3012
05:41:58,190 --> 05:42:02,130
So remember, water volume, we can't control, storms are coming, five inch rate of it, still

3013
05:42:02,130 --> 05:42:07,030
the same amount of volume. What we came control is the velocity. So flooding is as

3014
05:42:07,030 --> 05:42:11,850
called, it's not just by volume, it's also called by velocity. So slowing these velocity

3015
05:42:11,850 --> 05:42:16,570
down by, instead of having channelized pipes that are just pushing water really quickly,

3016
05:42:16,990 --> 05:42:20,890
which is what put very quick is doing right now. We're restoring that and we're allowing

3017
05:42:20,890 --> 05:42:25,350
the floodplain to slow the water down before it gets to the public. 100-year floodplain needs

3018
05:42:25,350 --> 05:42:32,110
the function as a floodplain. Right now, the majority of that floodplain doesn't function as a

3019
05:42:32,770 --> 05:42:34,130
Is that answer a question?

3020
05:42:34,750 --> 05:42:35,890
Not fully but key.

3021
05:42:35,970 --> 05:42:37,950
Yeah, but we can't control storms coming, right?

3022
05:42:38,370 --> 05:42:40,530
So when if you have a five hundred year event,

3023
05:42:41,490 --> 05:42:46,610
I feel like you would do all the renovations

3024
05:42:47,930 --> 05:42:51,050
to repair all of this, and then we have a giant storm

3025
05:42:51,050 --> 05:42:53,870
and over time, another giant storm and another giant storm

3026
05:42:53,870 --> 05:42:55,790
and it's degraded for a reason, right?

3027
05:42:55,850 --> 05:42:57,190
So it's just going to happen all over again.

3028
05:42:58,010 --> 05:43:00,290
We're not back to where we are right now,

3029
05:43:00,290 --> 05:43:01,350
under a matter of time.

3030
05:43:01,450 --> 05:43:02,970
And most of the degradation has happened.

3031
05:43:03,290 --> 05:43:05,910
It actually happened from 100-year farming prior to

3032
05:43:05,910 --> 05:43:08,110
then we're adding development on top of it.

3033
05:43:08,110 --> 05:43:09,290
And we're not restoring these streams.

3034
05:43:09,490 --> 05:43:10,670
But I have project examples.

3035
05:43:10,910 --> 05:43:12,450
Like this is when it makes them more county.

3036
05:43:12,650 --> 05:43:14,210
Same type thing we're seeing on Poetberry,

3037
05:43:14,330 --> 05:43:15,650
where you're 10 to 12 foot deep.

3038
05:43:15,910 --> 05:43:17,470
We restore everything within that yellow.

3039
05:43:17,890 --> 05:43:20,450
You see high density development, high density development.

3040
05:43:20,770 --> 05:43:21,550
And here's the channel.

3041
05:43:21,850 --> 05:43:24,210
And this is immediately after construction.

3042
05:43:24,410 --> 05:43:27,610
But you see, once we allow that floodplain to be active again,

3043
05:43:27,970 --> 05:43:30,150
it treats the floodwaters and houses are safe

3044
05:43:30,150 --> 05:43:34,450
the Roversafe. So we've been doing this for many, many years.

3045
05:43:39,390 --> 05:43:40,590
I have a whole career based on it.

3046
05:43:41,470 --> 05:43:43,230
So I'll put that in your heart for you.

3047
05:43:43,630 --> 05:43:44,290
Thank you.

3048
05:43:44,490 --> 05:43:48,570
Thanks so much Adam. And I think the important thing from the developer standpoint is that there

3049
05:43:48,570 --> 05:43:50,550
were some issues raised during the public hearing.

3050
05:43:50,590 --> 05:43:55,350
Some question about because there had been a change of ownership from when you all originally approved

3051
05:43:56,310 --> 05:44:04,450
adding this land to the compact communities map. There's a concern about whether or not there was dedication to the

3052
05:44:04,450 --> 05:44:11,010
the conservation and to the restoration, and there is a 100% every element of this neighborhood

3053
05:44:11,010 --> 05:44:16,770
has been designed in conformity with and hand in hand with Adam and his group to make

3054
05:44:16,770 --> 05:44:18,050
sure that they fit hand and glove.

3055
05:44:18,210 --> 05:44:22,790
So I just wanted to make sure that that was clear after the public hearing.

3056
05:44:23,830 --> 05:44:28,470
There are a lot of concerns raised about traffic, so I want to ask Rhino to come up and address

3057
05:44:28,470 --> 05:44:29,010
those as well.

3058
05:44:29,270 --> 05:44:29,470
Thanks a lot.

3059
05:44:32,710 --> 05:44:34,750
We've got 12 minutes left.

3060
05:44:35,030 --> 05:44:36,870
We have one question in there.

3061
05:44:37,130 --> 05:44:39,930
I guess, if you give me four or five minutes, that's all right.

3062
05:44:41,050 --> 05:44:41,270
Okay.

3063
05:44:41,930 --> 05:44:43,670
Ronald Stevenson with DRNP.

3064
05:44:43,950 --> 05:44:45,410
I'm going to go through this kind of fast.

3065
05:44:45,550 --> 05:44:48,810
But the main thing I want to hit on here is,

3066
05:44:49,050 --> 05:44:52,870
there's a lot of, I think, concern about levels of service,

3067
05:44:53,070 --> 05:44:54,970
and levels of air, and traffic operations,

3068
05:44:55,030 --> 05:44:58,410
the traffic impacts, and I'm just going to walk through this to show you

3069
05:44:58,410 --> 05:44:59,650
It's not as bad as it.

3070
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:29,980
May sound. So this is the level of service here and the level of service grades on the left, with the seconds of delay. The one thing I want everybody to kind of take away here is that for every letter grade, you can see it's roughly 5 to 10 seconds of delay. So the level of service F is like 50 seconds. It's not even a minute, but that's what I want to take away there is not hours of

3071
05:45:29,980 --> 05:45:32,420
delay or even minutes, it's less than a minute.

3072
05:45:33,580 --> 05:45:38,540
So level service F is does not mean that the road is unsafe.

3073
05:45:38,680 --> 05:45:39,920
It just means you wait longer.

3074
05:45:40,740 --> 05:45:44,860
Again, it's longer, wait times, 50 seconds, or more,

3075
05:45:44,880 --> 05:45:45,460
the wait time.

3076
05:45:45,960 --> 05:45:49,220
So I'm trying to make this so we can kind of understand a little bit.

3077
05:45:49,260 --> 05:45:51,340
This is a map on the map here,

3078
05:45:51,540 --> 05:45:54,020
is the area of Parker Hurn, Purned, and the Interstor.

3079
05:45:54,840 --> 05:45:57,460
And what you see here, I kind of started

3080
05:45:57,460 --> 05:46:03,460
intersection of Granite Mill, the top row that's in kind of the medium color orange is what

3081
05:46:03,460 --> 05:46:08,580
it the level of service to intersection today, and there's what it is when we build out. We can

3082
05:46:08,580 --> 05:46:13,500
finish the whole site. It goes from level service C to level service C in the morning, and it goes

3083
05:46:13,500 --> 05:46:20,000
from level service B to level service B in the afternoon. Here at Parker-Hunter and Andrew Store,

3084
05:46:20,540 --> 05:46:26,420
we go from level service C today to level service D in the morning. That is with some improvements

3085
05:46:26,420 --> 05:46:30,140
that we have to make there, but that delay increases by four seconds.

3086
05:46:30,620 --> 05:46:31,740
That's the main thing I want to take away there.

3087
05:46:31,740 --> 05:46:37,540
We go from B to B. Again, if we move, move down, move it down into your store row.

3088
05:46:37,660 --> 05:46:42,600
We go from B to B. A to B. This is the driveway that goes into section C.

3089
05:46:43,200 --> 05:46:49,080
Again, it's level service D. In the morning, level service D in the afternoon, up in

3090
05:46:49,080 --> 05:46:55,480
Bars Chapel at a high point row, we're seeing B. So that's the levels of service that

3091
05:46:55,480 --> 05:46:57,100
we're talking about there in Andrew Stool Road.

3092
05:46:57,120 --> 05:47:01,060
If we kind of move down, 15-51, Hamlet Chapel,

3093
05:47:02,360 --> 05:47:04,020
we've got a, I'll start with this one,

3094
05:47:04,120 --> 05:47:05,920
there's an F that appears there.

3095
05:47:06,160 --> 05:47:08,080
So level service F today in the morning,

3096
05:47:08,360 --> 05:47:11,400
it goes to level service D in the morning,

3097
05:47:12,000 --> 05:47:13,940
and this is with the DOT improvements

3098
05:47:13,940 --> 05:47:16,100
that are coming that are planned to make a script

3099
05:47:16,100 --> 05:47:17,200
in the next few years.

3100
05:47:17,920 --> 05:47:20,860
It does stay at an F in the afternoon

3101
05:47:21,400 --> 05:47:22,600
with the DOT improvements,

3102
05:47:22,600 --> 05:47:27,300
So that is one of the S that that's with the DOT improvements.

3103
05:47:27,620 --> 05:47:34,360
Again, on this side of the road, we go from F to B in the morning at F to B in the afternoon

3104
05:47:34,360 --> 05:47:35,460
in the future.

3105
05:47:36,020 --> 05:47:36,700
Again, move it up.

3106
05:47:36,960 --> 05:47:41,460
Parker Herndon, before we move on from there, what part of the DOT proposed improvements

3107
05:47:41,460 --> 05:47:42,000
right there?

3108
05:47:42,160 --> 05:47:43,280
Is that a stoplight?

3109
05:47:43,460 --> 05:47:44,000
Is there something different?

3110
05:47:44,180 --> 05:47:49,900
There's they are taking all of these intersections and making them into what they call

3111
05:47:49,900 --> 05:47:54,920
reduce conflict intersections where you cannot turn left from the side street, so it's going to

3112
05:47:54,920 --> 05:47:58,120
basically force anybody from the side street to turn right, go down and make a U-turn.

3113
05:47:58,420 --> 05:47:58,840
Okay, thank you.

3114
05:47:59,780 --> 05:48:03,740
And that moves traffic better on 15, 5, and 5, and 5, and 5, and 5, and 5, and 1.

3115
05:48:04,380 --> 05:48:09,520
So up at Parker Hurnton and Morris were A to B. Again, we actually increased by one second

3116
05:48:09,520 --> 05:48:13,520
of delay there, but it's enough to go from A to B and A to A there.

3117
05:48:14,280 --> 05:48:21,580
This is over at one of the sections I think that was maybe maybe a concern, there's level

3118
05:48:21,580 --> 05:48:22,240
service.

3119
05:48:22,260 --> 05:48:28,100
This is on Parker Herden, B and A at this driveway, this driveway here that lines up as

3120
05:48:28,100 --> 05:48:34,000
a four-legged traffic study shows F there, this graphic on the right is one thing I want

3121
05:48:34,000 --> 05:48:42,260
to point out here which is to keep in mind that the level service F is on our driveways.

3122
05:48:42,260 --> 05:48:47,560
It is not on Parker Herden, so Parker Herden Road does not have to stop, so there's no

3123
05:48:47,560 --> 05:48:50,380
seconds to delay for the traveling public on Parker Herden.

3124
05:48:50,940 --> 05:48:55,820
The only delay there is for any car coming out of the driveway.

3125
05:48:56,140 --> 05:48:56,580
That's it.

3126
05:48:56,660 --> 05:48:59,300
No delay for Parker Herden Road traffic.

3127
05:49:01,080 --> 05:49:09,220
And then down over a back of a 15-5-in-1, an entry store, again, this intersection here

3128
05:49:09,220 --> 05:49:15,300
is I've got graphics we can look at this in more detail if we if we need to but our side of the road here

3129
05:49:15,300 --> 05:49:22,480
answer stores for B to B C to B and then on this side there's an E and F there but this side over here

3130
05:49:22,480 --> 05:49:29,960
has almost no traffic on it it is not signalized the intersection is not signalized on this half of the road and

3131
05:49:29,960 --> 05:49:38,980
there's less than 10 cars on on that side of the road again down at the U turn we go B to C A to B and then

3132
05:49:38,980 --> 05:49:45,140
down at Morris and 1551, we go from B to B and B to B there.

3133
05:49:45,520 --> 05:49:52,880
So again, the levels of service are not as bad as it seems.

3134
05:49:53,100 --> 05:49:56,160
The levels of service, F here, it's a blow-up of Android Store road.

3135
05:49:56,660 --> 05:50:00,060
On the opposite side, you can see this is not signalized.

3136
05:50:00,780 --> 05:50:02,960
So this is un-sigilized movement here.

3137
05:50:03,100 --> 05:50:06,700
So that's why that's an E and an F in the morning only.

3138
05:50:06,700 --> 05:50:10,060
So is there any planned DOT upgrades of that intersection?

3139
05:50:10,360 --> 05:50:18,320
I don't they typically install signals winners and stuff traffic to warrant the signals, but again, as I mentioned, there's less than 10 cars over there

3140
05:50:18,320 --> 05:50:21,520
But that's on the east side, but I'll do the west side of the east side

3141
05:50:21,520 --> 05:50:24,840
Yeah west side of the signal, I don't even hear you can see we're going from B to B

3142
05:50:24,840 --> 05:50:26,960
Well, I know what it is now, right?

3143
05:50:27,020 --> 05:50:33,020
So you get the right turn only so everyone goes south first and they hit the U turn, which is often backed up all the way into the land of traffic now

3144
05:50:33,020 --> 05:50:39,400
sometimes with full buses in a row and then cars. So what happens with when DOT makes improvements

3145
05:50:39,400 --> 05:50:45,080
for this project? Anything or are there no improvements? They're going to read the

3146
05:50:45,080 --> 05:50:49,860
re-timing all the signals on here because when they add, when they're doing improvements kind of

3147
05:50:49,860 --> 05:50:55,260
downstream, this intersection, they're converting all these four leg intersections into this

3148
05:50:55,260 --> 05:51:00,380
kind of configuration here. So when they do that, they're going to retime all the signals along that

3149
05:51:00,380 --> 05:51:06,020
to work to make it flow better and kind of minimize some of the issues that you're saying there.

3150
05:51:06,380 --> 05:51:13,880
Thank you. So that intersection, we got a number of road improvements that are required to make.

3151
05:51:14,360 --> 05:51:18,680
And these improvements have been required of us and we will be making these improvements.

3152
05:51:18,880 --> 05:51:26,160
There's more work to come with DAT. This is not done. We have to do detailed designs and plans with DAT before they'll get us a permit.

3153
05:51:27,020 --> 05:51:32,100
And there may be questions and I'll answer those, maybe after presentations.

3154
05:51:34,370 --> 05:51:34,470
Great.

3155
05:51:34,770 --> 05:51:35,310
Thanks, Rhino.

3156
05:51:37,350 --> 05:51:38,530
So let me just keep on going.

3157
05:51:38,730 --> 05:51:41,550
We've got about four and a half minutes here.

3158
05:51:42,550 --> 05:51:49,090
Parks and Rec, one to say, you know, we had originally had talked about donating this section here as Parkland.

3159
05:51:49,670 --> 05:51:53,650
The Parks and Rec Department was uncomfortable because there's spray irrigation on it.

3160
05:51:53,650 --> 05:52:19,390
We met with Parks and Rec. We went through a lot of options there and they asked us at the end of the meeting, would you consider instead of that just donating the conservation area in here to the county because as you see in the comp plan the county has a goal for permanently protecting 20,000 acres of additional land by 2040 and they said they're not getting too far on that and this would be helpful and we said yes, met with everybody.

3161
05:52:19,390 --> 05:52:25,390
We quickly drew up this map to show that it would be the donating the floodplain to the county.

3162
05:52:25,650 --> 05:52:27,530
It would be donating 76 acres.

3163
05:52:28,610 --> 05:52:33,270
We submitted that to Parks and Rec last week after our meeting.

3164
05:52:34,210 --> 05:52:39,670
And we got the breaking news that noon today that they said that they were not interested in receiving that donation.

3165
05:52:40,710 --> 05:52:42,690
And I asked for the reasons why.

3166
05:52:43,010 --> 05:52:44,390
And I was given some reasons why.

3167
05:52:45,770 --> 05:52:48,150
which I'm sure they can describe in a little more detail.

3168
05:52:48,630 --> 05:52:50,510
We're still open to something creative.

3169
05:52:51,350 --> 05:52:56,710
And then the last thing, we do really all the area that's not going to be used for spray.

3170
05:52:57,030 --> 05:52:58,250
They don't want spray area.

3171
05:52:59,630 --> 05:53:00,770
But it could be conserved.

3172
05:53:01,930 --> 05:53:04,750
We're willing to donate to the county if it wants it.

3173
05:53:04,750 --> 05:53:06,310
If it doesn't, it's going to be conserved.

3174
05:53:07,010 --> 05:53:09,510
So the last thing I'd say is, on the park donation,

3175
05:53:09,670 --> 05:53:13,190
if that's where we wind up back at, there's no hurry on that.

3176
05:53:13,190 --> 05:53:21,190
We're more than happy to say the county can have five years to decide whether it actually wants to take that land as a park and a lot can change in five years

3177
05:53:21,190 --> 05:53:28,930
A spray can change it may be that there's no spray on that land when technology improves and that time goes by and you really do want that land

3178
05:53:28,930 --> 05:53:32,450
We're totally fine with that. We just throw that out there is something that

3179
05:53:33,790 --> 05:53:36,230
I think would be

3180
05:53:36,230 --> 05:53:39,950
Something to consider. The last thing I want to say is that

3181
05:53:39,950 --> 05:53:45,710
There were, you know, the five findings that you need to make, the first one is a no-brainer.

3182
05:53:46,470 --> 05:53:55,630
And I don't have that much time, but I want to make sure to make it clear that there have been some changing circumstances that justify approving this compact community here.

3183
05:53:55,890 --> 05:54:06,570
One of which was the map that amended the compact community's map to say based on its conformity with the complement that this is the right place for a compact community.

3184
05:54:07,370 --> 05:54:12,550
The next thing is the matter in which it will carry out the intent of the adopting plans.

3185
05:54:13,210 --> 05:54:26,350
And we have, you can see, this is the compact community's ordinance map, as amended, showing the entirety of the land within the zone that you all have said is appropriate for compact communities.

3186
05:54:26,350 --> 05:54:29,990
be hard to argue that it's not consistent with the content in that regard.

3187
05:54:30,550 --> 05:54:33,990
I just want to say there was a lot of conversation about it made it seem like we were

3188
05:54:33,990 --> 05:54:36,990
asking for a whole bunch of waivers and we weren't following the rules.

3189
05:54:37,410 --> 05:54:40,490
On the left is the waivers that we were requesting for this project.

3190
05:54:40,690 --> 05:54:45,190
On the right are the waivers that were requested by Vickers Village in 2021, which was approved

3191
05:54:45,190 --> 05:54:48,230
for five to nothing, all of the waivers are identical.

3192
05:54:48,510 --> 05:54:49,750
It's the exact same categories.

3193
05:54:50,530 --> 05:54:57,050
The only difference was, we did ask for an additional waiver in fairington preserve that would

3194
05:54:57,050 --> 05:55:01,950
say that if the commercial becomes non-viable, we would want to convert that to more affordable

3195
05:55:01,950 --> 05:55:09,190
townhomes, but I think when Jamie addresses the affordable housing aspect, hopefully that becomes

3196
05:55:09,190 --> 05:55:09,650
a non-issue.

3197
05:55:09,850 --> 05:55:10,910
So basically it's identical.

3198
05:55:11,790 --> 05:55:16,130
You may not agree with the waivers that are being requested, but you have approved them

3199
05:55:16,130 --> 05:55:21,710
for and we're not doing anything that's even remotely unusual in asking for these.

3200
05:55:23,170 --> 05:55:30,070
I wanted to say that the pedestrian trail, I think we're pretty close, the lawyers are

3201
05:55:30,070 --> 05:55:33,990
looking at a workout to get the pedestrian trail from this community over to Fairington

3202
05:55:33,990 --> 05:55:34,830
Place commercial.

3203
05:55:35,730 --> 05:55:37,350
I've got about 37 seconds left.

3204
05:55:37,690 --> 05:55:43,310
I would like to ask Thomas Welts to come up if he hears the developer and he has a very

3205
05:55:43,310 --> 05:55:47,990
thing that he would just want to say to you all, I'll use my last 30 seconds to a minute if

3206
05:55:47,990 --> 05:55:54,450
you can indulge us for that time. And then it'll be back up with Roboto if needed. Thank you

3207
05:55:54,450 --> 05:55:56,070
very much for your attention and appreciate the time.

3208
05:55:59,440 --> 05:56:00,920
I think I know I don't have a lot of time,

3209
05:56:01,420 --> 05:56:04,860
so I appreciate you allowing me to just come up here. I just want to say I'm part of the ownership

3210
05:56:05,400 --> 05:56:10,400
group. One of the main reasons are a few of the reasons that we've been so excited about this project,

3211
05:56:10,400 --> 05:56:14,980
to this field of field to deliver a lasting impact in this community.

3212
05:56:15,560 --> 05:56:19,360
Right, we don't just want to do a 400-unit conservation subdivision that just bill

3213
05:56:19,360 --> 05:56:19,740
homes.

3214
05:56:20,100 --> 05:56:24,280
We're super excited about being able to provide affordable housing, be able to provide workforce

3215
05:56:24,280 --> 05:56:29,580
housing, be able to conserve 80 plus acres of public, very creek, and restore that for

3216
05:56:29,580 --> 05:56:30,080
perpetuity.

3217
05:56:31,460 --> 05:56:34,840
And provide the trail system that can connect fire, chapel residents, all the way to

3218
05:56:34,840 --> 05:56:37,460
Fearington Place, and connect it apart.

3219
05:56:37,980 --> 05:56:39,820
So there's a lot of good about this project.

3220
05:56:39,820 --> 05:56:46,920
But we've been pursuing it for over two years, not just because it's a great project, but because it can provide lasting impact in the community.

3221
05:56:47,460 --> 05:56:48,500
So, thank you.

3222
05:56:53,820 --> 05:56:56,000
I had a question for you.

3223
05:56:57,420 --> 05:57:02,700
So, I believe there was six different environmental impact studies that failed.

3224
05:57:02,740 --> 05:57:05,360
Can you explain that in relation to what you just said?

3225
05:57:08,590 --> 05:57:09,070
Be happy to.

3226
05:57:10,030 --> 05:57:14,710
I think it's a misnomer to say that there were six different environmental impact assessments that failed.

3227
05:57:14,710 --> 05:57:20,890
in one of them failed, there were a request for additional information to be deemed complete,

3228
05:57:21,470 --> 05:57:25,770
and that happens regularly, with almost every impact assessment that is made.

3229
05:57:26,230 --> 05:57:30,850
There were a number of items that were revisions that were made because we made changes

3230
05:57:30,850 --> 05:57:35,350
requested by the staff for us to supplement, including about the conservation subdivisions.

3231
05:57:35,490 --> 05:57:36,690
So those were some of the changes.

3232
05:57:37,750 --> 05:57:41,790
And then when you get down to the end, the point of the environmental impact assessment

3233
05:57:41,790 --> 05:57:48,930
is that it be complete, and the peer review consultant that it is engaged by the county paid for by us

3234
05:57:48,930 --> 05:57:53,150
deems that environmental impact assessment to be complete, and that was the process.

3235
05:57:58,880 --> 05:57:59,680
Thank you.

3236
05:58:00,120 --> 05:58:00,140
All right,

3237
05:58:03,320 --> 05:58:11,460
Nick, just one thing from me as well, you know, you often come in telling us what we have to do,

3238
05:58:11,660 --> 05:58:15,500
and then we don't approve this one, and you'll put another one through that will have to prove.

3239
05:58:16,440 --> 05:58:19,400
And you don't buy yourself any favors when you do that.

3240
05:58:19,760 --> 05:58:20,460
Just letting you know.

3241
05:58:21,200 --> 05:58:22,960
We have an attorney that lets us know

3242
05:58:22,960 --> 05:58:24,780
when we really have no wiggle room on something

3243
05:58:24,780 --> 05:58:26,540
and it's hard as it can be sometimes.

3244
05:58:27,040 --> 05:58:28,460
We really do understand that

3245
05:58:28,460 --> 05:58:29,880
and we know that.

3246
05:58:30,220 --> 05:58:32,600
And it's a fending me when you do that.

3247
05:58:32,780 --> 05:58:34,460
So I would just please don't do that anymore.

3248
05:58:34,660 --> 05:58:36,520
I'm so sorry, I don't mean to offend

3249
05:58:36,520 --> 05:58:38,940
but I don't always know

3250
05:58:38,940 --> 05:58:42,380
how much you all know about what the next plan B is

3251
05:58:42,380 --> 05:58:44,000
and that's the only point in bringing that up.

3252
05:58:44,000 --> 05:58:46,320
So that you have a good way to weigh the two options.

3253
05:58:46,680 --> 05:58:48,400
This is a regular habit though, right?

3254
05:58:48,540 --> 05:58:51,380
But for this specific project, what does it actually mean

3255
05:58:51,380 --> 05:58:52,020
to go to plan to be?

3256
05:58:52,040 --> 05:58:53,180
That's all I meant to come in and get.

3257
05:58:53,280 --> 05:58:53,560
Gotcha.

3258
05:58:54,020 --> 05:58:56,600
If we have a plan B, we'll cross that when we get there, right?

3259
05:58:56,600 --> 05:58:59,540
Now we have a plan A, so I think it's helpful to them, thanks.

3260
05:58:59,920 --> 05:59:01,780
Just, but, you know, thank you.

3261
05:59:02,220 --> 05:59:05,060
All right, I have a my list from previously

3262
05:59:05,060 --> 05:59:07,820
that we're going to do public comment now.

3263
05:59:07,820 --> 05:59:08,640
Is that correct?

3264
05:59:09,280 --> 05:59:10,980
From the way we said this on before.

3265
05:59:10,980 --> 05:59:16,360
And there's 17 folks lined up, I'm any 17.

3266
05:59:16,760 --> 05:59:16,840
17.

3267
05:59:17,860 --> 05:59:25,300
OK, so I'm going to say this because this is the second time we're here.

3268
05:59:26,680 --> 05:59:30,620
And planning staff is going to go after public comments.

3269
05:59:30,820 --> 05:59:32,780
And I do appreciate you all coming tonight.

3270
05:59:33,740 --> 05:59:37,380
You have gotten a little additional information, some new information.

3271
05:59:37,980 --> 05:59:46,220
And hopefully you can count some of your comments towards that that can inform us, and also planning staff.

3272
05:59:46,640 --> 05:59:51,240
But I would say that if someone is already, which is going to be a long night, it's not the last thing.

3273
05:59:51,640 --> 05:59:59,980
Already said what you have said, that you would like to say, please come up and say, you know, I'm...

3274
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:12,180
I'm here because my concerns have already been addressed by someone else. So I just ask you that please. Staff has been here all day and now in tonight too. So there's that.

3275
06:00:12,620 --> 06:00:27,820
Speakers will have two minutes to speak. The green light illuminates for the first minute. The yellow light illuminates along with one beep. To let the speaker know they have one minute left. The red light illuminates along with three beeps when your two minutes have expired.

3276
06:00:27,820 --> 06:00:36,460
I appreciate if speakers can provide a copy of your comments to the clerk over there on writing and please speak directly into the microphone.

3277
06:00:37,040 --> 06:00:38,060
Thank you, Jennifer.

3278
06:00:39,720 --> 06:00:41,680
I'm going to call you up three at a time.

3279
06:00:42,320 --> 06:00:47,800
So if you can come on up from your seat since it is two minutes, it will be faster than you know.

3280
06:00:47,800 --> 06:00:57,260
So, the first person is Sasha Washington, and Tony Mayan, and Joe, and I'm sorry Joe, Ellen Eel.

3281
06:01:06,460 --> 06:01:12,180
Hello. My name is Sasha Washington. For someone who has lived here for all 25 years of life,

3282
06:01:12,460 --> 06:01:17,380
here in C. Land that is well known by those who grew up in the area go from being farmland to the

3283
06:01:17,380 --> 06:01:19,340
that the government named Fairtimpers Earth brings

3284
06:01:19,340 --> 06:01:20,940
nothing but anger and disappointment.

3285
06:01:21,720 --> 06:01:24,320
These roads cannot afford to have more traffic or growth

3286
06:01:24,320 --> 06:01:26,300
imagine four-school, trying to release students,

3287
06:01:26,640 --> 06:01:28,140
and then coming in and out of a development

3288
06:01:28,140 --> 06:01:29,960
which sits right in the middle of it all.

3289
06:01:30,340 --> 06:01:31,440
It simply cannot happen.

3290
06:01:31,840 --> 06:01:34,440
Not to mention, a creek resting along the lines.

3291
06:01:35,020 --> 06:01:36,860
Live in off-cracker-hunden, our road,

3292
06:01:36,960 --> 06:01:37,960
has become NASCAR.

3293
06:01:38,780 --> 06:01:40,600
And nearly impossible to check mailboxes

3294
06:01:40,600 --> 06:01:41,940
or to turn into driveways.

3295
06:01:42,060 --> 06:01:43,280
Without fear, you'll get hit,

3296
06:01:43,400 --> 06:01:45,340
as traffic has increased throughout the years.

3297
06:01:45,340 --> 06:01:50,760
The number of regs should be vouched for, especially this past weekend.

3298
06:01:51,440 --> 06:01:55,380
You have these developers claiming they're going to put affordable housing for people to purchase,

3299
06:01:55,540 --> 06:01:57,320
but realistically, nothing is ever affordable.

3300
06:01:58,020 --> 06:02:00,340
No matter how much someone tries to persuade you,

3301
06:02:01,720 --> 06:02:05,820
with incomes that aren't even accurate for most people in North Carolina or in the state in general.

3302
06:02:06,360 --> 06:02:09,720
What's really going to happen is that everyone will be eventually pushed out.

3303
06:02:10,020 --> 06:02:13,580
I strongly hope that you all seriously take the time to think about this and understand that

3304
06:02:13,580 --> 06:02:17,100
The major concerns everyone has, and not to rush to build something so quickly.

3305
06:02:17,540 --> 06:02:18,600
Please save our trees.

3306
06:02:18,940 --> 06:02:19,620
Please, and thank you.

3307
06:02:22,070 --> 06:02:23,350
Tony Mayan.

3308
06:02:24,710 --> 06:02:26,890
Then, Joe Ellen Heal.

3309
06:02:29,300 --> 06:02:29,860
Good evening.

3310
06:02:30,120 --> 06:02:35,860
My name is Joe Ellen Hill, resigning at 9 Pokedbury Bend Drive, and the current president of the Board

3311
06:02:35,860 --> 06:02:40,040
of Directors for the Chapel, the Breyer Chapel, Neighborhood Association.

3312
06:02:41,140 --> 06:02:48,060
11.1 of the county CCOs requires the physical impact assessment, which includes impacts

3313
06:02:48,060 --> 06:02:53,540
on schools, police protection, EOMAS, libraries, and recreational facilities.

3314
06:02:54,320 --> 06:02:59,620
The addition of units currently planned in this community will strain our ability to adequately

3315
06:02:59,620 --> 06:03:01,860
receive such guaranteed services.

3316
06:03:01,860 --> 06:03:06,720
A transportation impact assessment is also required.

3317
06:03:07,980 --> 06:03:10,720
The report previously published was in adequate,

3318
06:03:11,140 --> 06:03:15,280
and it seems like tonight it really isn't much more realistic.

3319
06:03:16,960 --> 06:03:22,040
And the impact to Breyer Chapel community was not even addressed.

3320
06:03:23,040 --> 06:03:28,260
An accurate environmental impact assessment is also required.

3321
06:03:28,260 --> 06:03:33,620
We asked that the 11.2 impact mitigation process demands

3322
06:03:33,620 --> 06:03:38,420
follow-through with a strict adherence to deliverables rather than overused

3323
06:03:38,420 --> 06:03:44,060
of the payment in lieu option. 12.1 requires an identifiable and useful

3324
06:03:44,060 --> 06:03:47,820
town center. Units must be within walking distance of a

3325
06:03:47,820 --> 06:03:52,440
fairington wrecked facility. Community center school or neighborhood park.

3326
06:03:52,840 --> 06:03:56,160
Neither the county park nor barire travel amenities count.

3327
06:03:56,160 --> 06:04:05,460
Flat open spaces for activities are required along with small playgrounds and parks scattered throughout the community with them walking distance of most homes.

3328
06:04:06,020 --> 06:04:14,200
Residential units town center and community gathering points must be interconnected by roadways and a network of pedestrian paths.

3329
06:04:14,900 --> 06:04:25,200
We maintain that fairington preserve acreage should not become CC status as their plan is either inadequate or lacking in fulfilling requirements for this designation.

3330
06:04:25,200 --> 06:04:29,500
The disconnected layout also fails to fit a CC definition.

3331
06:04:30,460 --> 06:04:34,160
I've spent most of my life in Charlotte, and over the years I've witnessed the

3332
06:04:34,160 --> 06:04:39,320
developers being allowed to hastily construct neighborhoods that have severely impacted

3333
06:04:39,320 --> 06:04:40,740
the soul to grab it out.

3334
06:04:41,420 --> 06:04:42,760
Your two minutes as I go.

3335
06:04:44,260 --> 06:04:44,900
Thank you.

3336
06:04:46,890 --> 06:04:51,090
The next person is Carol Hoke in the Matt Brumberg.

3337
06:04:57,000 --> 06:04:57,900
Thank you very much.

3338
06:04:58,240 --> 06:05:01,360
I'm only going to take about a minute because I know that many other

3339
06:05:01,360 --> 06:05:03,820
the speakers will be touching down the things that I'm going to say.

3340
06:05:04,260 --> 06:05:07,440
I'm also director of the Rire Chapel Community Association.

3341
06:05:08,320 --> 06:05:13,240
At the prior hearing, we did hear serious considerations raised by both our board of

3342
06:05:13,240 --> 06:05:18,500
directors as well as the neighbors who are impacted by this proposal, including significant

3343
06:05:18,500 --> 06:05:23,200
cost implications related to amenities and the importance of strong environmental protections.

3344
06:05:23,840 --> 06:05:30,000
So we do ask you to consider a few things and one in particular would be how would the project

3345
06:05:30,000 --> 06:05:36,340
be sized in what onsite amenities, recreation areas, green space, and gathering spaces would be

3346
06:05:36,340 --> 06:05:40,740
provided to serve residents. If you're going to have an HFA for this community, it needs

3347
06:05:40,740 --> 06:05:46,320
a place to gather. We estimate, conservatively, that our residents and buyer chapel could

3348
06:05:46,320 --> 06:05:51,360
be subsidizing the cost for this extended community just the one adjacent to us by over

3349
06:05:51,360 --> 06:05:58,300
$200,000 a year, which would be over $1,000,000 over 5 years and 2.4 over 10 years.

3350
06:05:58,300 --> 06:06:01,820
It additionally uses of our infrastructure that we pay to maintain.

3351
06:06:02,660 --> 06:06:03,580
Thank you.

3352
06:06:14,700 --> 06:06:14,920
Hi there.

3353
06:06:15,040 --> 06:06:16,020
Thank you for your time tonight.

3354
06:06:16,740 --> 06:06:20,700
My name is Matt Bromba and I live at 268 Monty Thrive in Briar Chapel.

3355
06:06:21,280 --> 06:06:26,120
I also serve on the Board of the Briar Chapel Community Association and offer these comments

3356
06:06:26,120 --> 06:06:30,360
and those in that capacity as well as my as a concern citizen.

3357
06:06:31,120 --> 06:06:36,580
I'm here to expand on the concerns that I raised in my written response before the April 20th Board of Commissioners meeting,

3358
06:06:36,580 --> 06:06:39,180
which I have included, again, in my comments today.

3359
06:06:39,720 --> 06:06:42,560
My focus remains on a likely effect of the proposed

3360
06:06:42,560 --> 06:06:44,880
fairington preserve development on automobile traffic

3361
06:06:44,880 --> 06:06:47,560
and resulting safety risks for bar chapel residents,

3362
06:06:47,800 --> 06:06:48,660
particularly children.

3363
06:06:49,460 --> 06:06:51,400
In my earlier comments, I noted that the data

3364
06:06:51,400 --> 06:06:55,380
from a temporary speed sign recorded roughly 31,000

3365
06:06:55,380 --> 06:06:58,680
inbound vehicles on a great rich parkway over just a few weeks

3366
06:06:58,680 --> 06:06:59,860
that I invite your chapel.

3367
06:07:02,360 --> 06:07:05,260
I also explained that the proposed 300 unit phase

3368
06:07:05,260 --> 06:07:10,740
adjacent to Breyer-Chapples for a mineral loan could add two to 300 additional vehicle trips

3369
06:07:10,740 --> 06:07:15,240
for a degree of rich parkway alone. If later phases of Fierrington preserve them forward,

3370
06:07:15,660 --> 06:07:21,220
as well, traffic could increase beyond that estimate. The applicant's traffic impact analysis

3371
06:07:21,220 --> 06:07:26,540
dated November 24th, omits key Breyer-Chapples access points, including woodland growth,

3372
06:07:26,660 --> 06:07:30,560
lane, and granite mill, boulevard, even though these roads are likely routes for families

3373
06:07:30,560 --> 06:07:35,240
traveling to and from the four schools that are located within or adjacent to Breyer-Chapples.

3374
06:07:35,240 --> 06:07:36,200
travel community.

3375
06:07:36,840 --> 06:07:41,340
The analysis also states that it does not evaluate midday intersection traffic when school

3376
06:07:41,340 --> 06:07:43,800
related to commercial traffic are most likely occur.

3377
06:07:44,500 --> 06:07:49,260
Clearly, a more complete assessment is needed for the board to fully understand the project

3378
06:07:49,260 --> 06:07:51,800
impact on traffic and safety consequences.

3379
06:07:52,680 --> 06:07:56,860
Accordingly, I respectfully urge the Commission to consider reducing parenting and preserves

3380
06:07:56,860 --> 06:08:03,020
housing density below the level of the level allowed under a CCO designation to help limit

3381
06:08:03,020 --> 06:08:07,860
vehicle traffic in our community and improve pedestrian safety particularly for our children.

3382
06:08:08,420 --> 06:08:09,400
Thank you for consideration.

3383
06:08:10,760 --> 06:08:12,180
Anna Rishi.

3384
06:08:36,220 --> 06:08:37,320
My name is Anna Ressa.

3385
06:08:37,720 --> 06:08:38,980
I'm a civilic alum.

3386
06:08:40,180 --> 06:08:52,530
And I provided copies of just a survey of the subdivisions along Pokedbury Creek.

3387
06:08:52,530 --> 06:09:09,950
And I really want you to consider the downstream impact of not just this particular development which is considerable but also the three other new developments that are on the books.

3388
06:09:11,070 --> 06:09:14,190
And that's the retreat at Hall River,

3389
06:09:14,190 --> 06:09:16,970
a very crossing and by and by and bridge.

3390
06:09:17,790 --> 06:09:24,070
Right now, there are at least 2,865 dwellings

3391
06:09:24,070 --> 06:09:27,790
in 15 different subdivisions along Pokedbury Creek.

3392
06:09:29,570 --> 06:09:33,550
With these new developments for new subdivisions,

3393
06:09:34,970 --> 06:09:38,850
that's adding another 1,244 dwellings.

3394
06:09:38,850 --> 06:09:46,590
So given Adam McIntyre's presentation, which sounded great that they're able to restore

3395
06:09:46,590 --> 06:09:54,850
Pope Barry Creek, the damage that's been done over the last few years, having this development

3396
06:09:56,030 --> 06:10:04,850
go on and be built over a certain amount of time, is the restoration going to be worth it

3397
06:10:04,850 --> 06:10:11,890
to your point earlier, are we just going to find ourselves in the same situation, another

3398
06:10:11,890 --> 06:10:15,890
couple of years from now, or another couple of decades from now?

3399
06:10:16,310 --> 06:10:21,010
That's all I wanted to add, first night, thank you.

3400
06:10:21,730 --> 06:10:27,310
Jacqueline Watson, then Robert Hobart, then Amy Kaufflin,

3401
06:10:29,580 --> 06:10:31,840
Jacqueline Watson.

3402
06:10:46,830 --> 06:10:53,370
My name is Jacqueline Watson. My family built our home at 1789 Andrews Store Road, so we

3403
06:10:53,370 --> 06:11:00,570
live just in real close proximity of this project. I have a unique experience that we rented

3404
06:11:00,570 --> 06:11:08,070
in Barrage Chapel, so I've lived in that community and so I'm coming from a experience that

3405
06:11:08,070 --> 06:11:14,950
we're on Andrews Store Road now. I'm a mother for three of my four children are in two of those

3406
06:11:15,550 --> 06:11:17,850
It's why I feel I need to be here tonight.

3407
06:11:18,270 --> 06:11:19,050
Sorry, I'm nervous.

3408
06:11:19,750 --> 06:11:22,090
This project will directly impact me in the

3409
06:11:22,090 --> 06:11:23,490
neighbors in our community.

3410
06:11:25,310 --> 06:11:28,950
I mostly want to touch on as a parent.

3411
06:11:29,210 --> 06:11:31,070
One of my biggest concerns is the impact it has on

3412
06:11:31,070 --> 06:11:31,990
our community schools.

3413
06:11:32,490 --> 06:11:35,210
My daughter at the middle school is currently in a class of

3414
06:11:35,210 --> 06:11:36,930
30 students to one teacher.

3415
06:11:37,830 --> 06:11:42,610
And with the 600 proposed homes that's going to be put in,

3416
06:11:42,610 --> 06:11:47,490
it's going to place not only a strain on the roads, but most importantly, the schools and

3417
06:11:47,490 --> 06:11:49,290
the children are at the base of that.

3418
06:11:49,350 --> 06:11:54,750
And I don't want that to happen, and I'm very respectfully believe that this proposal is not

3419
06:11:54,750 --> 06:11:56,590
in our benefit for the local community.

3420
06:11:57,310 --> 06:12:02,670
It feels like the burden of the project will fall on the existing community while the primary

3421
06:12:02,670 --> 06:12:04,470
benefit goes to the developer.

3422
06:12:05,170 --> 06:12:09,010
Residents will absorb the increased traffic over credit schools in the loss of community

3423
06:12:09,010 --> 06:12:11,610
character long after this project is completed.

3424
06:12:12,190 --> 06:12:12,650
That's.

3425
06:12:21,880 --> 06:12:22,340
Okay.

3426
06:12:22,760 --> 06:12:24,380
I'm going to cut to the chase.

3427
06:12:25,080 --> 06:12:33,080
The worst part of this plan is the sections that are on the north side of Andrew

3428
06:12:33,080 --> 06:12:34,360
Store Road.

3429
06:12:35,620 --> 06:12:37,580
The affordable housing section.

3430
06:12:38,120 --> 06:12:39,820
The big town homes section.

3431
06:12:40,220 --> 06:12:44,840
The commercial section that now they say is going to be part of more affordable house.

3432
06:12:44,840 --> 06:12:49,040
this is a worst part. It's going to cause trouble with traffic.

3433
06:12:51,080 --> 06:12:52,820
There's the problem with the

3434
06:12:52,820 --> 06:12:59,820
Ingress egress into Breyer Chapel through Helppoint Road. And then there's this runoff

3435
06:13:00,320 --> 06:13:10,080
and the Poetberry Creek plus they go have to run sewer lines under I guess Andrew's store road to

3436
06:13:10,080 --> 06:13:18,460
to their so-called wastewater treatment plant that's in a low place above Pope Mary Creek.

3437
06:13:18,540 --> 06:13:23,820
I'm sure they can explain it a way. That's the biggest problem to me.

3438
06:13:25,920 --> 06:13:28,680
Now, I drive those roads.

3439
06:13:30,700 --> 06:13:34,900
It's too much traffic. If they want to put, and I'm all four

3440
06:13:34,900 --> 06:13:41,040
affordable housing, that's fine. Why don't they take their affordable housing and move

3441
06:13:41,040 --> 06:13:51,900
back into the section of Parker Herndon right and leave this land on the north side of Andrew

3442
06:13:51,900 --> 06:14:02,160
Store for keep that single family dwelling. That solves a lot of this problem. Think about it.

3443
06:14:08,540 --> 06:14:12,500
Good evening commissioners. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Amy Cofflin,

3444
06:14:12,640 --> 06:14:15,840
and I've lived in bar chapel for 13 years at 60 Traywood Lane.

3445
06:14:15,840 --> 06:14:19,900
I want to begin by acknowledging the CCO was created with good intentions.

3446
06:14:20,500 --> 06:14:25,140
Its goals were meaningful to protect green space, support walkable and bikeable communities,

3447
06:14:25,660 --> 06:14:30,720
ensures sustainable water and wastewater systems, safeguard chadams, water quality,

3448
06:14:31,260 --> 06:14:35,440
reduce energy use, improve air quality, provide a mix of housing types and create neighborhoods

3449
06:14:35,440 --> 06:14:37,280
with parks, trails and open space.

3450
06:14:38,660 --> 06:14:43,420
As at its core, the CCO is meant to deliver greater environmental economic and social benefits

3451
06:14:43,420 --> 06:14:44,860
than conventional development.

3452
06:14:44,860 --> 06:14:47,720
But it's intentions alone don't guarantee outcomes.

3453
06:14:48,520 --> 06:14:51,360
When we look at the implementation of the CCL and Rire Chapel,

3454
06:14:51,800 --> 06:14:53,200
we see a very different story.

3455
06:14:53,980 --> 06:14:56,100
Rire Chapel was marked as a model-green community,

3456
06:14:56,520 --> 06:14:59,340
promising preserved wetlands, protected forests, healthy streams,

3457
06:14:59,840 --> 06:14:59,980
and we...

3458
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:05,860
Responsible stewardship of natural resources, yet the reality has been deeply troubling. We've seen

3459
06:15:05,860 --> 06:15:10,820
what lands disappeared during development. We've seen beaver dams, which naturally protect

3460
06:15:10,820 --> 06:15:17,200
water quality, treat as nuisance and destroyed, and beaver's drowned. We even had commitments

3461
06:15:17,200 --> 06:15:21,700
for native plants that were ignored. We've experienced sewer spills, gray water on trails

3462
06:15:21,700 --> 06:15:29,980
and parks, erosion, wastewater saturating forest, floors, killing trees, oversight has been

3463
06:15:29,980 --> 06:15:35,420
We've inherited St. Cole's hazardous debris left and preserved areas in 48 poorly built stormwater

3464
06:15:35,420 --> 06:15:40,660
ponds that the community is now financially responsible for. These are not small oversights

3465
06:15:40,660 --> 06:15:44,280
there, systematic failures, and that is why I'm speaking today because no matter what a developer

3466
06:15:44,280 --> 06:15:50,000
promises, there's little real oversight once approvals are granted. Without strong and forcible ongoing

3467
06:15:50,000 --> 06:15:54,700
accountability, the burnish shifts to residents, taxpayers, and the environment. Commissioners,

3468
06:15:54,900 --> 06:15:59,140
I urge you to scrutinize every proposal with lessons learned from Baruch Apple. Promises are

3469
06:15:59,140 --> 06:16:03,740
not protections marketing is not mitigation and with own accountability the residents of

3470
06:16:03,740 --> 06:16:05,360
Chatham County pays the price.

3471
06:16:05,760 --> 06:16:08,300
For all of those reasons please deny this reason only in my quest.

3472
06:16:08,740 --> 06:16:09,580
Thank you.

3473
06:16:14,940 --> 06:16:20,180
Um, shall we cover it and then hang in critters, critters, critters, critters,

3474
06:16:20,180 --> 06:16:20,500
critters, critters.

3475
06:16:22,540 --> 06:16:23,920
So I have to tap anything.

3476
06:16:27,980 --> 06:16:31,380
Uh, a good evening commissioners, my name is Shelley Colbert and I live in Baldwin Township

3477
06:16:31,380 --> 06:16:34,880
and I'm here to ask you to deny the Fiery and Tim Priser Resonation application.

3478
06:16:36,100 --> 06:16:41,580
The application does not meet the standards of the CPEO as CCO or Plan Chatham, and is not

3479
06:16:41,580 --> 06:16:45,440
even remotely comparable to Victor's village, as he's runously slided by the applicant

3480
06:16:45,440 --> 06:16:46,220
in its response.

3481
06:16:46,420 --> 06:16:52,180
The planning staff, especially with respect to scale, location, existing commercial opportunities,

3482
06:16:52,760 --> 06:16:58,580
traffic generation, environmental impacts, and significantly developer contributions for affordable

3483
06:16:58,580 --> 06:16:59,020
housing.

3484
06:16:59,140 --> 06:17:03,300
I would invite you to go back and take a look at what was actually in the 2021 application.

3485
06:17:03,300 --> 06:17:06,880
I did not post-bickers village, but I am opposing S.

3486
06:17:07,940 --> 06:17:12,980
This proposal is a misuse of rezoning by waiver manipulation and should be denied the essence

3487
06:17:12,980 --> 06:17:17,540
of the Wolflion adequate site plan, consists of five discrete subdivisions called together

3488
06:17:17,540 --> 06:17:22,980
to take advantage of a zoning alternative not available without waivers or decreased density.

3489
06:17:23,500 --> 06:17:28,620
The submission surprisingly suggests that the commercial area may not even be built at all.

3490
06:17:28,620 --> 06:17:33,700
Major subdivisions unable to meet the requirements of the CCO, a lot to be resubmitted on

3491
06:17:33,700 --> 06:17:38,740
other ordinances, and should not be allowed to feed multiple policy purposes of the CCO

3492
06:17:38,740 --> 06:17:39,400
and plan chat.

3493
06:17:42,200 --> 06:17:45,480
The application will result in unsafe and environmentally disastrous

3494
06:17:45,480 --> 06:17:50,540
conditions for future residents and existing communities. The ERAC report details the

3495
06:17:50,540 --> 06:17:55,520
wastewater flooding and a long list of significant unacceptable, negative environmental

3496
06:17:55,520 --> 06:17:57,080
and other public impacts.

3497
06:17:58,480 --> 06:18:03,300
It does not meet the required public needs for safety and recreation, and will result in severe

3498
06:18:03,300 --> 06:18:05,400
negative impacts to adjoining communities.

3499
06:18:07,520 --> 06:18:12,900
The application contains various technical areas, omissions, misstatements, misrepresentations,

3500
06:18:13,300 --> 06:18:17,440
and other deficiencies is documented by the Planning staff, Iraq, and the community members.

3501
06:18:17,920 --> 06:18:22,080
And I would invite you to take a look at my more detailed written comments that I submitted

3502
06:18:22,080 --> 06:18:25,140
to this board, approximately a month ago, and I stand by them.

3503
06:18:25,400 --> 06:18:26,140
Thank you.

3504
06:18:35,500 --> 06:18:38,500
I'm Anne Couturgus, and I live off of Parker Herndon Road.

3505
06:18:39,020 --> 06:18:44,380
In April, we decided a group of us to start a petition to inform our neighbors and community

3506
06:18:44,380 --> 06:18:49,540
about Fairington Preserve, and to give them an opportunity to voice their opposition to

3507
06:18:49,540 --> 06:18:50,160
this development.

3508
06:18:50,420 --> 06:18:56,460
The petition reads, to the Chatham County Commissioners, we, the undersigned, oppose zoning

3509
06:18:56,460 --> 06:19:01,840
approval for the development of Fairington Preserve, a proposed compact community that would

3510
06:19:01,840 --> 06:19:07,260
sit between Andrew's store, Parker-Hurndon, and Morris Rhodes. The proposed development is

3511
06:19:07,260 --> 06:19:13,460
neither compact nor community that meets the purposes of the Chatham County compact community

3512
06:19:13,460 --> 06:19:18,820
ordinance. It has five separate entrances on three separate roads. The five entrances

3513
06:19:18,820 --> 06:19:23,780
lead to five different parcels of land which separate each part of the community from the others

3514
06:19:23,780 --> 06:19:27,220
by roads and by Pope Mary Creek and its floodplain.

3515
06:19:27,900 --> 06:19:31,480
This proposed community is not anchored by a village center

3516
06:19:31,480 --> 06:19:34,880
and does not integrate community facilities into the plan.

3517
06:19:35,680 --> 06:19:38,180
If bill, it will roughly double the number of cars

3518
06:19:38,180 --> 06:19:41,360
that use and restore park or herndon and forest roads.

3519
06:19:42,440 --> 06:19:45,060
For all the above reasons, we urge you to deny

3520
06:19:45,060 --> 06:19:48,100
the compact communities owning requests by Farrington

3521
06:19:48,100 --> 06:19:49,640
preserve to move forward.

3522
06:19:49,640 --> 06:19:56,640
And include it in the material that I uploaded this afternoon to your website as a list of nearly

3523
06:19:56,640 --> 06:19:59,200
730 people who signed the petition.

3524
06:20:00,780 --> 06:20:02,140
Thank you.

3525
06:20:05,300 --> 06:20:05,460
Patty.

3526
06:20:05,460 --> 06:20:06,080
Patty.

3527
06:20:06,080 --> 06:20:06,200
Patty.

3528
06:20:07,460 --> 06:20:07,840
Patty.

3529
06:20:07,840 --> 06:20:07,880
Patty.

3530
06:20:08,200 --> 06:20:08,880
Patty.

3531
06:20:22,560 --> 06:20:23,240
Patty.

3532
06:20:23,240 --> 06:20:27,440
it's earlier. I used to live in Guilford County for many years and I've been

3533
06:20:27,440 --> 06:20:31,360
fighting the Chalam County Commissioner to come to Guilford County and see what

3534
06:20:31,360 --> 06:20:35,820
over-development really looks like. You have an opportunity here in advance to

3535
06:20:35,820 --> 06:20:40,160
thoughtfully plan the vision for Chalam County and that includes

3536
06:20:40,160 --> 06:20:43,380
considering the community where I used to live in Chalam County called the

3537
06:20:43,380 --> 06:20:47,740
Hall River State Park. Given the fact that so much development has been

3538
06:20:47,740 --> 06:20:51,820
planned without consideration where I came from and I see it happening here

3539
06:20:51,820 --> 06:21:06,080
And rapidly, over the past seven years since I've moved here, I really would like Chatham County to consider that they have a truly independent and comprehensive traffic and infrastructure analysis before approving this.

3540
06:21:06,440 --> 06:21:13,480
That they have greater scrutiny of environmental and floodplain impacts because the developers will stay anything to get what they want.

3541
06:21:14,140 --> 06:21:19,100
Clear, enforceable commitments related to buffers mitigation and infrastructure and community protections.

3542
06:21:19,100 --> 06:21:25,200
And the true consideration of the cumulative impact of continued high-density development in this part of the county.

3543
06:21:25,980 --> 06:21:26,320
Thank you.

3544
06:21:31,600 --> 06:21:33,620
After Stacey is Bitsy Gravis.

3545
06:21:35,180 --> 06:21:35,960
Oh, after.

3546
06:21:38,160 --> 06:21:39,680
Hi, excuse me, I have a call.

3547
06:21:41,460 --> 06:21:45,720
My name is Stacey Donnell and I live at 112-true Lane in Briar Chapel.

3548
06:21:46,140 --> 06:21:47,420
It's Baldwin Township.

3549
06:21:48,520 --> 06:21:51,400
So many people have brought up so many great comments and topics already.

3550
06:21:51,400 --> 06:21:55,120
I just want to reiterate a few.

3551
06:21:55,240 --> 06:21:59,560
First of all, fellow from Adam McIntyre.

3552
06:21:59,800 --> 06:22:02,720
I think he brought up mitigation banks

3553
06:22:02,720 --> 06:22:05,440
for the Popeberry Creek Restoration Area.

3554
06:22:06,260 --> 06:22:10,660
Back in 2018 or 19, when we first got a resident board,

3555
06:22:11,520 --> 06:22:16,340
our board looked into getting a mitigation bank funding

3556
06:22:16,750 --> 06:22:19,080
for that kind of restoration on Popeberry Creek

3557
06:22:19,080 --> 06:22:21,220
around the adjacent area of briar chapel.

3558
06:22:22,820 --> 06:22:24,420
And you know what they first researched it and said,

3559
06:22:24,420 --> 06:22:26,240
oh yes, you're eligible for that.

3560
06:22:26,360 --> 06:22:27,540
And then turned out that we were not.

3561
06:22:28,480 --> 06:22:30,440
So that I think maybe needs a little bit more scrutiny.

3562
06:22:31,520 --> 06:22:34,240
Finally, I didn't know I was going to talk about this.

3563
06:22:35,380 --> 06:22:38,720
But I live in briar chapel, we have 33, at least 33,

3564
06:22:39,640 --> 06:22:41,000
miles of public trails.

3565
06:22:41,680 --> 06:22:44,540
And we embrace that everybody wants to come to our trails.

3566
06:22:44,820 --> 06:22:45,660
It's public, they're beautiful.

3567
06:22:45,660 --> 06:22:52,820
But we also have a lot of amenities in the neighborhood that were mentioned that belong to

3568
06:22:52,820 --> 06:22:53,340
briar chapel.

3569
06:22:54,000 --> 06:23:01,460
Our doos are monthly doos go into maintaining and restoring those as they need as needed.

3570
06:23:02,720 --> 06:23:06,300
Well, actually, the President currently of the briar chapel pickable club, and we work

3571
06:23:06,300 --> 06:23:12,380
with tennis club and basketball players to keep our courts maintained, and we're expecting

3572
06:23:12,380 --> 06:23:17,220
a large expenditure to happen over the next year to resurface those courts and whatnot.

3573
06:23:18,360 --> 06:23:22,880
But as I look at the map for a fairing to preserve, I don't see a lot of amenities offered

3574
06:23:22,880 --> 06:23:25,840
in that community as it is, right?

3575
06:23:26,020 --> 06:23:28,540
They may find our trails, they may connect, that's wonderful.

3576
06:23:29,080 --> 06:23:34,860
But we don't want to become like a child and county public park, right, with that has some

3577
06:23:34,860 --> 06:23:35,100
houses.

3578
06:23:35,220 --> 06:23:39,500
We don't want people coming into our pocket parks and our pickable courts and our tennis courts

3579
06:23:39,960 --> 06:23:41,380
and they'll never get into the pool.

3580
06:23:41,380 --> 06:23:47,400
but the other things, the basketball courts and everything are kind of open and we're paying for that so

3581
06:23:47,400 --> 06:23:51,800
we don't want to, as somebody said, subsidize the use for people just coming into our neighborhood to use those.

3582
06:23:51,940 --> 06:23:52,780
Thank you very much.

3583
06:24:09,900 --> 06:24:14,860
Hello, my name is Betsy Krauss, I live in Mike and Trail, right in here, by our example.

3584
06:24:16,460 --> 06:24:22,440
I have handed out to you some documentation of research that's been done recently.

3585
06:24:22,440 --> 06:24:27,260
that's relevant to both flooding and the Pocary Creek flood

3586
06:24:27,260 --> 06:24:34,060
thing. The two points I want to point out here is the study done at UNC,

3587
06:24:34,980 --> 06:24:39,600
where they looked at flooding in eastern North Carolina. They found that a

3588
06:24:39,600 --> 06:24:47,300
large share of the fast, fast, flood exposure, 43% of all buildings that flooded at

3589
06:24:47,300 --> 06:24:57,710
At least once, occurred outside the regulatory floodplain outside the regulatory floodplain.

3590
06:24:57,830 --> 06:25:01,650
That's that blue line that they call the floodplain.

3591
06:25:02,650 --> 06:25:06,730
It's 43% of the houses impact buildings impacted.

3592
06:25:07,030 --> 06:25:09,110
We're outside that floodplain in their study.

3593
06:25:09,830 --> 06:25:10,990
That's important to understand.

3594
06:25:12,030 --> 06:25:17,330
Second, there's new data on how to do remediation

3595
06:25:17,330 --> 06:25:28,070
Without doing a complete reconstruction of the banks and everything of the creek that I think you should look to

3596
06:25:28,790 --> 06:25:36,010
basically what's called that leave it to the peaters and I want to thank you for your

3597
06:25:36,730 --> 06:25:39,450
thoughtfulness of planning department thoughtfulness

3598
06:25:40,490 --> 06:25:43,070
with all these changes in the

3599
06:25:43,070 --> 06:25:46,170
documentation you've done a great job

3600
06:25:46,170 --> 06:25:53,390
giving us red line copies and helping us stay at a breast of all these changes that are really

3601
06:25:53,390 --> 06:25:58,170
bewildering to the public and very challenging to keep up with.

3602
06:25:59,510 --> 06:26:04,270
I recognize they have to make changes because they didn't follow the CCO to begin with.

3603
06:26:05,710 --> 06:26:15,290
And I encourage the developers to be more conscientious about that and recognize that

3604
06:26:15,290 --> 06:26:19,650
and public has things that they find important too.

3605
06:26:19,910 --> 06:26:21,310
Thank you.

3606
06:26:21,610 --> 06:26:22,710
Raymond, chat them.

3607
06:26:23,190 --> 06:26:23,730
Being new?

3608
06:26:26,120 --> 06:26:26,600
Close enough.

3609
06:26:29,710 --> 06:26:29,750
Being.

3610
06:26:30,690 --> 06:26:32,730
My name is Raymond Chavitone, and I live

3611
06:26:32,730 --> 06:26:35,310
at 100 Donald Drive just off at Warren Street.

3612
06:26:35,850 --> 06:26:38,030
I'm the father of a one-year-old and a four-year-old,

3613
06:26:38,170 --> 06:26:40,030
and I'm here tonight to talk about

3614
06:26:40,030 --> 06:26:43,830
what good development could look like on this land.

3615
06:26:44,810 --> 06:26:46,030
I want to acknowledge the applicant

3616
06:26:46,030 --> 06:26:47,490
has clearly listened since April.

3617
06:26:47,490 --> 06:26:52,990
The Affordable Housing proposal, the Pope-Berry Creek Restoration Commitment and the 76-acre

3618
06:26:52,990 --> 06:26:55,710
conservation donation, or a present real progress.

3619
06:26:56,690 --> 06:27:01,750
But I'd ask the Board to be careful with the choice the applicant is presenting.

3620
06:27:03,030 --> 06:27:07,510
We've been told that this is a decision between 72 affordable homes and zero.

3621
06:27:07,850 --> 06:27:08,830
That's not the real choice.

3622
06:27:09,650 --> 06:27:14,170
The buy-right alternative the applicant describes isn't financially viable for them either.

3623
06:27:14,170 --> 06:27:22,170
The real choice is between the proposal and a better version of it tonight's hearing is the leverage for the better.

3624
06:27:23,270 --> 06:27:32,650
With this matter going to the planning board in the next 90 days, I'd ask the board to the staff to apply three tests to the formal recommendation that takes shape.

3625
06:27:33,130 --> 06:27:42,650
First, the test of permanence, the 72 unit affordable housing should be locked in writing, not left as a term sheet for the developer can revise.

3626
06:27:43,210 --> 06:27:47,810
Second, the test of safety, the traffic report tells us that this development will add only

3627
06:27:47,810 --> 06:27:52,770
one second delay at Morris Road, but what it does not tell us is how a child walks safely

3628
06:27:52,770 --> 06:27:55,710
along Morris Road once it carries this much new traffic.

3629
06:27:56,350 --> 06:28:01,950
There are no sidewalks, no bike lanes, no pedestrian crossings, and my boys will now grow up on that road.

3630
06:28:02,510 --> 06:28:08,470
Approval this project should require real pedestrian infrastructure on Morris Road, not just turn lanes for cars.

3631
06:28:09,170 --> 06:28:16,390
And third, the test of substance, the applicant points to a future connection to Firington Place to justify reducing required commercial space.

3632
06:28:16,890 --> 06:28:20,690
But Firington Place is owned by another party and has no development plans.

3633
06:28:21,150 --> 06:28:24,850
A pedestrian path to land that may never get development is not a commercial core.

3634
06:28:25,450 --> 06:28:28,910
The next 90 days are the moment to turn promises into binding conditions.

3635
06:28:29,710 --> 06:28:35,310
Make approval for the reward, a complete enforceable plan, not the path to one we hope materializes.

3636
06:28:35,630 --> 06:28:36,210
Thank you.

3637
06:28:41,170 --> 06:28:44,970
Carl Cactuser, and then Katie Ibrahim.

3638
06:28:51,340 --> 06:28:57,260
I'm Carl Cactuser, and I live off of Parker Harndon Road.

3639
06:28:58,380 --> 06:29:09,560
I'm just to bring your attention and reiterate, but my neighbor, Miss Washington, mentioned, was there were three accidents in the last two days in our meat vicinity.

3640
06:29:12,600 --> 06:29:17,140
on park or herndon road and then two out by the highway.

3641
06:29:18,800 --> 06:29:22,560
And I just am curious I have a question and that is,

3642
06:29:22,760 --> 06:29:27,540
at what point do the roads of the roads dealt with in this process?

3643
06:29:27,840 --> 06:29:32,420
It would be most proactive to go ahead and straighten out the blind turns.

3644
06:29:32,460 --> 06:29:37,580
I think it can make the roads a lot safer before anything got underway.

3645
06:29:37,580 --> 06:29:45,720
is that happen or who, how is that dealt with? Can anybody tell me? Because that particularly

3646
06:29:45,720 --> 06:29:50,820
park or hern and wrote the road that I come in and out of every day. There's a lot of blind

3647
06:29:50,820 --> 06:29:59,160
turns on that road. The traffic is very fast. It's, it's, it's, and I appreciate the law enforcement.

3648
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:10,720
Attention and efforts, but it's just not enough. People go way too fast, and where our road comes out, where our driveway comes out, it's quite blind.

3649
06:30:13,200 --> 06:30:18,400
You can't answer that. You can't tell me when they're going to actually, when they would possibly strike.

3650
06:30:18,420 --> 06:30:22,840
No, we don't engage. You can imagine how long this meeting would be. Sorry.

3651
06:30:23,260 --> 06:30:25,280
Okay. Well, thank you very much.

3652
06:30:35,130 --> 06:30:40,650
Good evening, everyone. My name is Kate O'Brien. I live on Creek's edge in

3653
06:30:40,650 --> 06:30:45,330
Polk's Landing. It's a few miles upstream from the proposed development.

3654
06:30:48,220 --> 06:30:48,560
I want to

3655
06:30:48,560 --> 06:30:53,660
thank the Commissioner, staff members, and all the community members taking the

3656
06:30:53,660 --> 06:30:57,700
time to listen to the public comment on this important, or this issue of

3657
06:30:57,700 --> 06:31:02,880
great importance. I moved to Chattam County for the trees, the wildlife, the

3658
06:31:02,880 --> 06:31:07,640
files prior to BBC before prior chapel.

3659
06:31:08,460 --> 06:31:14,040
My family's one acre is now continuous with prior chapel and runs along Pokedbury Creek.

3660
06:31:14,760 --> 06:31:18,860
Those in opposition to the project have said that there will be increased traffic, risk

3661
06:31:18,860 --> 06:31:23,060
of flooding, pressures and existing infrastructure, amenities, water and sewage problems.

3662
06:31:23,700 --> 06:31:24,880
Yes, all that is true.

3663
06:31:25,960 --> 06:31:29,900
Prior speak, I've got a kind of shorter let's see.

3664
06:31:29,900 --> 06:31:36,300
I would like to focus on the impact on existing residents, both human and animal.

3665
06:31:38,060 --> 06:31:42,140
Rather than carve out a spot that matches the footprint of each building and leaves around

3666
06:31:42,140 --> 06:31:47,240
and far as understood, modern practices involve clear cutting large tracks, leveling the land,

3667
06:31:47,400 --> 06:31:49,000
tearing up roots, burning them.

3668
06:31:49,640 --> 06:31:51,500
People say that the wildlife can move elsewhere.

3669
06:31:52,120 --> 06:31:54,800
What about nesting birds, what about turtles and amphibians?

3670
06:31:55,540 --> 06:31:57,360
Can they move fast enough to get out of the way?

3671
06:31:57,360 --> 06:32:03,360
How many animals are crushed buried by large machines that cut and remove trees and level the earth?

3672
06:32:04,260 --> 06:32:06,580
As I recall the demolition and the building of our chapel,

3673
06:32:06,760 --> 06:32:10,440
what I remember are the machine sounds, the smell of strict wood and burning woods.

3674
06:32:10,840 --> 06:32:16,460
I remember seeing smoke filled skies, where dense trees previously provided a backdrop to the view from my yard.

3675
06:32:17,060 --> 06:32:21,880
I remember having two closed windows and block out to block out the noise and the smells.

3676
06:32:21,880 --> 06:32:26,560
I also remember the sad and significant feeling of something beautiful being destroyed.

3677
06:32:27,540 --> 06:32:32,920
The wildlife had no such luxury or a recourse, and the building went on for years.

3678
06:32:33,460 --> 06:32:36,280
Wirechapples now built, and some of my dear friends live there.

3679
06:32:36,600 --> 06:32:38,440
It provides housing, is that the end?

3680
06:32:41,580 --> 06:32:42,060
Thank you.

3681
06:32:48,760 --> 06:32:50,300
That's a great one, Madam Chair.

3682
06:32:59,930 --> 06:33:01,750
We can hear from staff.

3683
06:33:03,940 --> 06:33:04,540
Thank you.

3684
06:33:19,500 --> 06:33:20,660
Well, I have a lot to say.

3685
06:33:24,100 --> 06:33:33,360
I will say that the applicant has tried to offer opportunities for addressing concerns

3686
06:33:34,120 --> 06:33:36,640
that we addressed the last public hearing.

3687
06:33:37,740 --> 06:33:43,120
We've there have been many productive discussions over the last month to try to get some

3688
06:33:43,120 --> 06:33:48,480
of these answers resolved so that we would have information to bring to you in order

3689
06:33:48,480 --> 06:33:50,400
move this project forward.

3690
06:33:54,060 --> 06:33:58,560
It is with regret, I have a job to do and as my job to tell

3691
06:33:58,560 --> 06:34:04,820
you, the board and the citizens if I have an application that can meet the intent and

3692
06:34:04,820 --> 06:34:08,900
the spirit of any given ordinance that we're charged with administering an hour department.

3693
06:34:11,190 --> 06:34:15,810
I can tell you that with this one we now have three different site plans we've been presented

3694
06:34:15,810 --> 06:34:19,930
with. So I don't know which one is actually going to be the master plan for this

3695
06:34:19,930 --> 06:34:20,530
project.

3696
06:34:27,380 --> 06:34:35,420
We need clarification on this proposed trail easement or sewer easement or this

3697
06:34:35,420 --> 06:34:41,620
been coupled a couple of things to fair into place. We don't have anything about that.

3698
06:34:45,780 --> 06:34:54,260
One question I have is for the mitigation since that is rolled up a lot. If there was no

3699
06:34:54,260 --> 06:34:55,900
project at all.

3700
06:34:57,450 --> 06:34:59,350
Commitigation be done in the footbarer creek.

3701
06:35:02,760 --> 06:35:08,340
I don't understand, and maybe I might not be the smartest tool in the box, but I don't

3702
06:35:08,340 --> 06:35:13,440
understand why it has to wait for a development approval before mitigation a footbarer

3703
06:35:13,440 --> 06:35:14,220
creek can begin.

3704
06:35:14,660 --> 06:35:16,640
I don't, I've not been satisfied with that answer.

3705
06:35:21,780 --> 06:35:23,640
We do not have an agreement.

3706
06:35:24,260 --> 06:35:26,280
And I'll let Jamie speak to this in just a moment.

3707
06:35:26,520 --> 06:35:31,160
They have been some discussions made on something that they think they can do as far as a

3708
06:35:32,180 --> 06:35:38,360
and it ranges anywhere from 32 to 72 units, not we're going to get 72 units.

3709
06:35:39,020 --> 06:35:45,260
It's somewhere in there, but there is not an agreement that the county has been able to solidify at this point.

3710
06:35:46,200 --> 06:35:48,920
And that is a major component of the compact community ordinance.

3711
06:35:51,940 --> 06:35:56,720
Part of the site plan changes that we have been made aware of is about the affordable housing section.

3712
06:35:57,680 --> 06:36:07,220
If this goes forward, then they're going to have to ask for a 100% waiver of commercial for a compact community.

3713
06:36:08,120 --> 06:36:09,360
I mean, there would be none.

3714
06:36:11,410 --> 06:36:13,730
The comparison to Victor's village, I think, is unfair.

3715
06:36:14,130 --> 06:36:17,450
These are two completely different types of development.

3716
06:36:18,150 --> 06:36:22,230
Not just in size, but in numbers of dwelling, and it's being provided.

3717
06:36:22,930 --> 06:36:28,250
the location is different and I think that's an unfair comparison.

3718
06:36:37,020 --> 06:36:45,380
I'm not a traffic expert, but I know how to read the numbers and I'm not satisfied that

3719
06:36:45,380 --> 06:36:50,120
the numbers that we are being explained take away the concerns that everyone is having

3720
06:36:50,120 --> 06:36:52,780
on these intersections with the delays.

3721
06:36:55,000 --> 06:36:59,740
Andrew Store Road is already jam-packed with all the school activity as it is.

3722
06:36:59,740 --> 06:37:11,080
That one is a major concern, there are proposed widening improvements for that that cannot

3723
06:37:11,080 --> 06:37:12,480
happen because of wetlands.

3724
06:37:13,180 --> 06:37:19,560
So I've not been told what the solution to that is going to be either for a report

3725
06:37:19,560 --> 06:37:20,980
turns into FARC 100 Road.

3726
06:37:21,500 --> 06:37:26,680
Angela, on the traffic topics, can you speak to Mr. Kachargas's question about the sequencing

3727
06:37:26,680 --> 06:37:31,200
of when and how the DOT work is done, I think that was the nature of what he was asking.

3728
06:37:31,620 --> 06:37:37,460
Well, unfortunately, we were at the mercy of NCDOT. We don't, we can't tell them what to do.

3729
06:37:37,600 --> 06:37:41,300
We can't regulate their schedule and when they're going to have funds to do these things.

3730
06:37:42,060 --> 06:37:49,900
They say they can project it for say 2028, 2032, but they can't tell us for sure when that would happen.

3731
06:37:50,540 --> 06:37:54,720
And we have to, we're at their mercy on that.

3732
06:37:59,290 --> 06:38:03,830
Again, part of the site plan changes that we've noticed is, again, the change for

3733
06:38:03,830 --> 06:38:06,750
they added some more minute to area in the northern portion.

3734
06:38:07,230 --> 06:38:10,030
Next to our top of there's a different configuration there.

3735
06:38:10,750 --> 06:38:13,470
There would be a different configuration for the affordable housing.

3736
06:38:14,370 --> 06:38:20,730
We did get a thing from the farm marshal, where the subdivision regulations are going

3737
06:38:20,730 --> 06:38:27,470
to require two access points for ingesting current reform wrong, but I believe the regulation

3738
06:38:27,470 --> 06:38:32,950
and reads for subdivisions with a hundred or more lots require two access points.

3739
06:38:37,000 --> 06:38:41,760
This development has more than a hundred lots, but they're looking at just this pod section

3740
06:38:43,670 --> 06:38:48,370
that they reduced to 99 lots, so therefore they didn't need the second access row.

3741
06:38:48,710 --> 06:38:49,970
It's the fire marshal here tonight.

3742
06:38:50,110 --> 06:38:50,770
He is.

3743
06:38:50,930 --> 06:38:51,910
So we can talk to him about that.

3744
06:38:54,720 --> 06:38:56,720
Pops and Rex is also here.

3745
06:38:56,720 --> 06:39:06,480
they can explain to you why they do not accept the flood plane and all the unusable property

3746
06:39:07,080 --> 06:39:14,200
as part of their conservation towards this 20,000 acres that they keep referring to.

3747
06:39:14,380 --> 06:39:19,960
This land that we couldn't use and we quite frankly would want to be responsible for it.

3748
06:39:21,020 --> 06:39:23,680
Again, that includes part of the mitigation area as well.

3749
06:39:26,500 --> 06:39:30,820
I'm going to go ahead and ask Jamie to come up and tell you where they're at on the

3750
06:39:30,820 --> 06:39:31,040
photo.

3751
06:39:31,820 --> 06:39:33,820
I'm going to go down my list from there.

3752
06:39:41,770 --> 06:39:42,870
Can I have my screen up?

3753
06:40:04,980 --> 06:40:06,240
Doesn't look like my sides are here.

3754
06:40:06,240 --> 06:40:07,100
Let's take

3755
06:40:13,050 --> 06:40:15,490
a note where all

3756
06:40:24,230 --> 06:40:25,930
these are here, let's say.

3757
06:40:27,910 --> 06:40:29,150
These are slides.

3758
06:40:30,370 --> 06:40:32,270
This actually, I don't know what to do with these.

3759
06:40:53,580 --> 06:40:54,140
We

3760
06:41:32,610 --> 06:41:35,430
are revising on the slides, just a moment, pull up.

3761
06:41:48,750 --> 06:41:52,110
Can you just make sure to try to stand right over the microphone?

3762
06:41:52,390 --> 06:41:53,890
Yeah, quite tall and have a mass.

3763
06:41:54,090 --> 06:41:55,890
I just want to make sure that he can hear you.

3764
06:41:57,290 --> 06:41:57,470
Okay.

3765
06:42:01,470 --> 06:42:08,210
So the highlight of this presentation is the revision to the affordable housing element.

3766
06:42:08,210 --> 06:42:21,830
As it stands now, we have been talking about the donation by the applicant of about eight and a half acres comprising this portion of parcels here and this portion of parcels across the road.

3767
06:42:22,630 --> 06:42:32,410
The land would be donated more or less as it is right now to a developer nonprofit or developer nonprofits of our choice to be designed in the way they can do best.

3768
06:42:34,710 --> 06:42:40,410
The applicant has agreed to allocate up to 72 units, the minimum requirement in the

3769
06:42:40,410 --> 06:42:45,830
compact communities ordinance is 32 to comprised 5% of total units if 72 are possible,

3770
06:42:46,090 --> 06:42:50,630
which the applicant had designed for, that would comprise about 12% of the units as affordable

3771
06:42:50,630 --> 06:42:57,270
housing. We have been talking with the applicant to ensure that what is proposed to be donated

3772
06:42:57,270 --> 06:43:04,390
is quality and up to the standard we want in such a donation. They've agreed to make all of their site surveys and

3773
06:43:04,390 --> 06:43:10,090
due diligence materials available to us to review between now and over the next several months,

3774
06:43:11,070 --> 06:43:16,010
as well as to reimburse for quantity of due diligence services by our own staff contractors.

3775
06:43:17,350 --> 06:43:24,590
We have also been also reports and agreements such that the pedestrian trail access will extend across

3776
06:43:24,590 --> 06:43:29,790
understore road and have access to both parcels here and the water sewer lines will be extended

3777
06:43:29,790 --> 06:43:33,690
by the applicant out to the edge of these parcels so that our development partner does not

3778
06:43:33,690 --> 06:43:40,870
have to handle that type of thing. Any road adjustments needed such as turn lanes and things like

3779
06:43:40,870 --> 06:43:45,970
that will also be handled by the applicant according to the term sheet as we've been working on it.

3780
06:43:46,330 --> 06:43:51,590
In general, the goal here has been to provide the kind of flexibility that an affordable housing

3781
06:43:51,590 --> 06:43:56,030
focus developer can really provide in this type of work in a way that was more difficult

3782
06:43:56,030 --> 06:43:57,710
for market rate developers.

3783
06:43:59,530 --> 06:44:06,110
The opportunity for development in any kind of shape such a developer can make work allows

3784
06:44:06,110 --> 06:44:12,630
for maximization of resources and connection to funding sources that are available exclusively

3785
06:44:12,630 --> 06:44:20,570
for affordable housing development that provide this kind of opportunity for ownership for

3786
06:44:20,570 --> 06:44:27,410
So the folks between 1680% AMI, to be able to buy within the kind of community that would be built.

3787
06:44:28,550 --> 06:44:33,690
This also provides us the opportunity to manage the affordability in the long term in ways we see fit.

3788
06:44:34,030 --> 06:44:46,790
So this would likely be working either with a land trust model or with somebody who could dictate future sales in a way that keeps prices affordable in the longer term to make sure that what is added to our affordable housing stock, see as affordable on a desirable term.

3789
06:44:48,670 --> 06:44:55,950
In general, this exceeds minimum requirements for the affordable housing requirement of the CCO.

3790
06:44:57,350 --> 06:44:59,970
We think this is a lot more promising than the donation of lots.

3791
06:45:00,000 --> 06:45:06,420
That's what we were looking at this time last month. And the opportunity for not just this portion, but for both portions.

3792
06:45:09,360 --> 06:45:16,680
Yeah, that's an exciting opportunity to editorialize a little bit. But it does provide a good amount of flexibility to any applicant we would work with.

3793
06:45:18,650 --> 06:45:22,470
Is there a sense? I know you said that 70, some lots.

3794
06:45:23,750 --> 06:45:29,230
Is there a sense of if that land is viable to support that many lots?

3795
06:45:30,270 --> 06:45:43,270
Yeah, so based on what we've received from the applicant, I believe the maximum they had designed it for would have been 72 condos in this portion and additional 36 over here 36 town homes over here.

3796
06:45:46,370 --> 06:45:52,750
Once we're able to assess kind of a full scope of what's been received, we'll be able to make sure that that.

3797
06:45:52,750 --> 06:45:54,610
So the soil's in stock, sorry.

3798
06:45:54,850 --> 06:45:55,630
This is the oils.

3799
06:45:59,950 --> 06:46:03,430
We are basing that on environmental studies

3800
06:46:03,430 --> 06:46:04,290
that have already been completed,

3801
06:46:04,470 --> 06:46:06,610
but we will be getting access to that.

3802
06:46:06,610 --> 06:46:08,150
Ideally following this hearing.

3803
06:46:08,950 --> 06:46:11,750
To review further, we have written into the term sheet

3804
06:46:11,750 --> 06:46:14,230
as it stands right now, that if it turns out this doesn't work,

3805
06:46:14,450 --> 06:46:16,050
if we can't get at least 32 units in this,

3806
06:46:16,050 --> 06:46:18,250
and we don't feel comfortable handing it off to non-profit entity,

3807
06:46:18,910 --> 06:46:21,070
then we know that the affordable housing component is on Met,

3808
06:46:21,070 --> 06:46:22,890
and we'll have to find another way to do it.

3809
06:46:22,890 --> 06:46:30,370
So, if this donation does not end up being good, it's written and that we have another way to go, so we will.

3810
06:46:30,370 --> 06:46:32,030
We're certainly keeping that in mind.

3811
06:46:37,250 --> 06:46:42,650
Jamie, so this would be in place of the commercial.

3812
06:46:43,850 --> 06:46:47,090
Or this is where the commercial was out when John anticipated.

3813
06:46:47,410 --> 06:46:50,290
Yeah, there was the plan for the commercial to be in this area.

3814
06:46:50,610 --> 06:46:57,010
I believe the most recent version was that in consideration of the additional land and additional capacity for affordable units,

3815
06:46:57,010 --> 06:47:00,330
that the commercial portion of the application would be waived,

3816
06:47:00,410 --> 06:47:01,950
or the commercial apartments would be waived?

3817
06:47:03,410 --> 06:47:07,570
So given that these units would not be in proximity

3818
06:47:07,570 --> 06:47:11,710
to a pharmacy school, all these other things that make it

3819
06:47:11,710 --> 06:47:18,650
a viable candidate for grant funds for USDA,

3820
06:47:18,970 --> 06:47:21,870
type of affordable housing funding support.

3821
06:47:22,870 --> 06:47:25,270
How likely is it that we'd be able to get someone

3822
06:47:25,270 --> 06:47:28,110
who would do prominently affordable housing?

3823
06:47:29,070 --> 06:47:31,430
Yeah, so there's a variety of different tools

3824
06:47:31,430 --> 06:47:35,030
available for developing affordable housing types.

3825
06:47:35,490 --> 06:47:37,490
The one-year reference where it's,

3826
06:47:37,510 --> 06:47:40,210
you really have to measure walking distance to schools,

3827
06:47:40,430 --> 06:47:42,290
pharmacies, grocery stores, employment centers, other amenities

3828
06:47:42,290 --> 06:47:43,350
like that.

3829
06:47:44,290 --> 06:47:47,790
That is certainly one tool that is more targeted at rentals.

3830
06:47:48,130 --> 06:47:49,750
We're looking at home ownership like this.

3831
06:47:50,090 --> 06:47:52,810
We know one that we're targeting a higher portion of income,

3832
06:47:52,950 --> 06:47:54,870
so we're going between 60 and 80%.

3833
06:47:54,870 --> 06:48:00,570
This is where we get a lot of early mid-career teachers, folks working kind of in

3834
06:48:00,570 --> 06:48:06,850
longer term careers in customer service, professions like this, where we know that

3835
06:48:06,850 --> 06:48:08,390
frankly, car access is more likely.

3836
06:48:09,510 --> 06:48:10,290
Sorry, that what?

3837
06:48:10,490 --> 06:48:13,770
That car access is more likely for residents.

3838
06:48:15,810 --> 06:48:21,210
So I don't predict that type of amenity access being a deal breaker for this, for the kinds

3839
06:48:21,210 --> 06:48:22,790
of tools that would be applied here.

3840
06:48:24,140 --> 06:48:35,880
So, funding for permanently affordable housing would be available for a potential developed, or in some sort, because, I mean, there must be some incentive for the development of affordable housing developer.

3841
06:48:38,240 --> 06:48:53,420
Yeah, and typically the model we see is that units would be built more or less at cost, that there would be either a revolving construction loan that can be repaid as soon as the units are built, and then they're sold essentially without developer fees aside from what's needed to keep the organization afloat.

3842
06:48:53,980 --> 06:48:59,980
So once those savings are considered and once we're really using affordable focus, affordable housing focus development,

3843
06:49:01,380 --> 06:49:08,300
that kind of realizable savings are possible that create units of the price points we're looking at that we're looking for.

3844
06:49:08,680 --> 06:49:12,080
And there is there, these are apartments.

3845
06:49:13,660 --> 06:49:22,680
So part of the goal with the donation of Rawland is that it can be shaped in such a way that our design can do well

3846
06:49:22,680 --> 06:49:23,640
and we'll do appropriately.

3847
06:49:24,660 --> 06:49:26,400
The vision right now is town homes.

3848
06:49:26,960 --> 06:49:29,620
Under the CCO, at least 32 units have to be affordable.

3849
06:49:30,040 --> 06:49:32,200
So it'll be, you know, how many units can you fit

3850
06:49:32,200 --> 06:49:33,820
in the space between 32 and 72?

3851
06:49:35,200 --> 06:49:37,440
And we're kind of in discussion about how selecting

3852
06:49:37,440 --> 06:49:38,640
that does it need goes.

3853
06:49:39,400 --> 06:49:42,760
We know that there's certainly had full of opportunities there

3854
06:49:42,760 --> 06:49:45,260
and it may be such a process either.

3855
06:49:45,960 --> 06:49:47,380
We take a known partner and we say,

3856
06:49:47,520 --> 06:49:48,720
what could you do with this type of land?

3857
06:49:49,120 --> 06:49:51,800
Or it is, it could be a wider pitch to say,

3858
06:49:51,800 --> 06:49:55,440
we have this opportunity available, this is what we know we can get, what is it that you would

3859
06:49:55,440 --> 06:49:58,140
be able to do in this space as we select that doesn't even go forward?

3860
06:49:58,940 --> 06:49:59,960
And what about parking?

3861
06:50:01,260 --> 06:50:03,160
So is that built into this parcel?

3862
06:50:03,880 --> 06:50:11,680
Yeah, so parking and other necessary land uses would be included in the eventual site plan for

3863
06:50:11,680 --> 06:50:16,520
how this is developed, but that would be in coordination with the affordable housing developer

3864
06:50:16,520 --> 06:50:20,500
they would be managing that as they're managing the eventual planning and things like this.

3865
06:50:20,500 --> 06:50:27,340
This is an older version of the map, so the lines that you see right here aren't actually necessarily what will actually be developed.

3866
06:50:28,800 --> 06:50:30,240
This is just for graphics.

3867
06:50:31,800 --> 06:50:44,500
Yeah, and this gives me a little concern just because as we think about affordable housing and the need for robust investment or affordable housing, but that sort of

3868
06:50:46,440 --> 06:51:07,520
The current challenge of adding just that many more car-dependent households in a place where, you know, ideally, for me, a big part of the goal of the CCO is to have commercial and other things approximate to it, right?

3869
06:51:07,520 --> 06:51:10,960
And to me, that's the big failure of Brian Chappel.

3870
06:51:12,060 --> 06:51:15,660
You drive everywhere, you need to know.

3871
06:51:18,080 --> 06:51:24,820
And so, trying to get some sort of balance between this elevated need

3872
06:51:24,820 --> 06:51:30,020
that we have for affordability and reducing the amount of car trips.

3873
06:51:31,580 --> 06:51:35,620
Because I, I, I all, and I, I, I directionally challenged,

3874
06:51:35,620 --> 06:51:41,560
I will acknowledge that, but even the proximity to grocery stores, right, like the kind of things

3875
06:51:41,560 --> 06:51:47,900
where every time someone needs a single loaf of bread you can't walk, or the continuing

3876
06:51:47,900 --> 06:51:50,520
to build for that is an issue for me.

3877
06:51:51,520 --> 06:51:56,080
And I think about the 25 households in Brian Chappell that have to walk in, you know, so

3878
06:51:56,080 --> 06:51:58,380
you can complain that there are other places that

3879
06:52:00,680 --> 06:52:02,560
very developed, right, in the Northeast,

3880
06:52:02,960 --> 06:52:07,080
that the governor's community, but most of those households, aside from governor's club,

3881
06:52:07,080 --> 06:52:09,280
and walked to a grocery store, and walked with something,

3882
06:52:09,500 --> 06:52:14,640
the dentist, you know, that there's nothing to walk to

3883
06:52:14,640 --> 06:52:16,960
is what it looks like to me.

3884
06:52:19,740 --> 06:52:21,700
The, in the term, she does a stance,

3885
06:52:21,900 --> 06:52:25,320
it would be that the land is donated with a waiver

3886
06:52:25,320 --> 06:52:26,320
of the commercial requirements.

3887
06:52:27,280 --> 06:52:29,200
So that's, that is, the proposal of the schedule.

3888
06:52:30,920 --> 06:52:33,720
And so that would be true for all of that, right?

3889
06:52:33,920 --> 06:52:36,340
So for the entire, it's not just,

3890
06:52:37,200 --> 06:52:41,840
The affordable component that can't get to, that has to drive to everything.

3891
06:52:41,840 --> 06:52:44,460
It's the entire project.

3892
06:52:46,460 --> 06:52:51,800
Is there, what was the reason behind why that was converted to affordable housing?

3893
06:52:52,780 --> 06:52:55,940
And totally, I mean, because that was something that was already something we were maybe

3894
06:52:55,940 --> 06:53:02,420
giving up in this proposal was the commercial, and now it's definite giving up the commercial,

3895
06:53:02,800 --> 06:53:07,420
so we can have the affordable housing, and I agree with Commissioner Howard, I think the

3896
06:53:07,420 --> 06:53:13,260
even more important for the sake of the affordable housing, but I know you guys made that

3897
06:53:13,260 --> 06:53:19,440
swap and the discussions trying to land a better affordable housing proposal, right?

3898
06:53:20,000 --> 06:53:23,200
Yeah. And this is a version that is under discussion.

3899
06:53:25,500 --> 06:53:29,720
We believe made the assessment that what's

3900
06:53:29,720 --> 06:53:37,400
viable here especially with its access to 15501 in such that housing is more likely to

3901
06:53:37,400 --> 06:53:43,380
and stick around and be viable, then perhaps commercial might, as for why it's this

3902
06:53:43,380 --> 06:53:49,500
land specifically and perhaps more on why affordable housing here, instead of commercial

3903
06:53:51,900 --> 06:53:57,200
some of that I would defer back to the applicant, but that's my understanding as for how

3904
06:53:57,200 --> 06:54:00,780
it stands now, is that housing is assessed as being more viable in this location than perhaps

3905
06:54:02,800 --> 06:54:13,600
And do you mean for this project or is there some other calculation at play that housing is more viable in this location?

3906
06:54:14,260 --> 06:54:20,780
Yeah, I think if, and then this is me as a housing person, that is a economic development person.

3907
06:54:21,680 --> 06:54:27,460
And identical portion of land with proximity to 15501 may be much more viable for commercial than it would be here.

3908
06:54:27,460 --> 06:54:28,180
I

3909
06:54:30,290 --> 06:54:37,110
think given its location and its distance from that kind of high traffic corridor, this is assessed as what is possible.

3910
06:54:38,610 --> 06:54:45,650
Sorry, so by the same token with the commercial be more viable, if it were more within the community.

3911
06:54:45,990 --> 06:54:48,910
I mean, because this is the exact mistake where our chapel made.

3912
06:54:49,210 --> 06:54:51,070
Like to me, this sounds like a replay.

3913
06:54:51,070 --> 06:54:56,890
Brian Chappel should have had commercial in the heart of Brian Chappel, right, putting it on

3914
06:54:58,450 --> 06:55:06,570
15501, you know, defeated the entire purpose. For Brian, for a walkable community, you

3915
06:55:06,570 --> 06:55:11,810
can walk around circles, right? You can walk through your neighbors house, but walkability

3916
06:55:11,810 --> 06:55:20,420
in my mind means walking two places that you need to get to. And so when there was that

3917
06:55:20,420 --> 06:55:28,540
there was that initial opportunity and I don't know what decisions came to bear in Barrior Chapel that led that, you know, to that development,

3918
06:55:28,640 --> 06:55:41,220
to happening with all of the residential, and then this commercial lets down Boulder, Britain, walking places to get to the commercial.

3919
06:55:42,100 --> 06:55:55,740
So here, it seems like we have the opportunity, or there is the possibility of an opportunity to locate that commercial within proximity to at least six significant portion of the households.

3920
06:55:57,080 --> 06:56:00,660
Not necessarily the affordable, right? It's a why this parcel.

3921
06:56:02,390 --> 06:56:08,270
And maybe that is a question for the developer, but it does seem like if we're giving

3922
06:56:08,270 --> 06:56:21,120
up some percentage of affordable housing in an exchange for a walkable in less driving

3923
06:56:21,120 --> 06:56:29,260
community, a less green house gas emitting community, that feels like a reasonable trade

3924
06:56:32,380 --> 06:56:34,200
Maybe not for the affordable housing.

3925
06:56:36,280 --> 06:56:41,320
My role in the process to this point has been to make the affordable housing offer as strong

3926
06:56:41,320 --> 06:56:45,520
as possible to make sure that if this is what ends up going forward, what we're handing

3927
06:56:45,520 --> 06:56:51,460
to the developers, something we're comfortable with, the trade-offs as you're describing

3928
06:56:51,460 --> 06:56:57,320
them, I think, is a question of policy and as to the rationality developer, that's sorry,

3929
06:56:57,320 --> 06:56:59,300
That's a question after the burns, all

3930
06:57:03,660 --> 06:57:03,660
right.

3931
06:57:04,000 --> 06:57:05,180
Any other questions for Jamie?

3932
06:57:08,720 --> 06:57:10,860
I heard a brief follow for Nick, but not for Jamie.

3933
06:57:16,130 --> 06:57:17,690
Nick's going to have a final,

3934
06:57:18,170 --> 06:57:19,510
and a final, a final, a final, a final, a final, a final.

3935
06:57:20,250 --> 06:57:22,750
I just didn't want to interrupt the flow of the planning team,

3936
06:57:23,010 --> 06:57:24,710
but I just want to, I just want to interrupt.

3937
06:57:24,710 --> 06:57:26,130
Can you ask that during the rehearsal?

3938
06:57:26,490 --> 06:57:28,450
Because Nick's got another final after everything.

3939
06:57:28,810 --> 06:57:29,510
Thank you.

3940
06:57:29,710 --> 06:57:30,030
Thank you.

3941
06:57:30,490 --> 06:57:30,670
All right.

3942
06:57:31,190 --> 06:57:32,050
Who else do we need?

3943
06:57:32,230 --> 06:57:33,310
Jamie, thank you very much.

3944
06:57:33,310 --> 06:57:34,630
I appreciate your wing in it there.

3945
06:57:34,890 --> 06:57:35,170
Thank you.

3946
06:57:37,310 --> 06:57:46,670
So, I mean, it's clear, I mean, the gentleman's department, they are working as hard as they can to try to come to a good agreement for affordable housing.

3947
06:57:47,690 --> 06:57:53,310
That is a decision that you all have to make that, you know, is this something that

3948
06:57:55,010 --> 06:57:59,590
Outways everything else and it's going to be a good thing and all that, that's not hard decision to make.

3949
06:57:59,750 --> 06:58:04,490
I'm just trying to bring you the information as I have it.

3950
06:58:04,490 --> 06:58:13,950
It's something that Jamie and his team and the advocates continue to work on if you decide to go on with the process.

3951
06:58:15,110 --> 06:58:20,370
Just remember what the tradeoffs are in that.

3952
06:58:20,570 --> 06:58:24,130
Being that there would have to be a request for no commercial,

3953
06:58:26,170 --> 06:58:27,410
which is a big one.

3954
06:58:29,950 --> 06:58:37,210
So next I want to have far more to come up and explain the, you're not getting out of the sign.

3955
06:58:40,140 --> 06:58:45,720
The road access and what the regulation actually says and what they've proposed to you.

3956
06:59:02,540 --> 06:59:03,000
Grab this on.

3957
06:59:07,880 --> 06:59:09,140
Give it to the,

3958
06:59:15,700 --> 06:59:16,200
this will work.

3959
06:59:17,640 --> 06:59:21,840
So, well, we actually went through the original design.

3960
06:59:23,080 --> 06:59:23,860
Sorry about that.

3961
06:59:24,380 --> 06:59:30,680
When we went through the original design of this, I had actually contacted Drew and Angie

3962
06:59:30,680 --> 06:59:35,980
about if there was a possibility about going across to that other section.

3963
06:59:36,480 --> 06:59:44,240
So this connected this to this and they told me real quick that that would be a no because

3964
06:59:44,240 --> 06:59:44,920
of the stream.

3965
06:59:45,120 --> 06:59:48,280
So I was just trying to figure out an access point for them to get.

3966
06:59:50,720 --> 06:59:55,400
Since they were in the, basically this is more so of a concept plan was my understanding.

3967
06:59:56,740 --> 06:59:59,960
You guys had worked through the planning board and you guys had worked through to do.

3968
07:00:00,000 --> 07:00:15,860
New subdivision regulations from last meeting. And as soon as that passed, I verified with Emily, I just wanted to make sure that the stage that they were in, if they fell, under the new regulations, or if they were still legacy didn't.

3969
07:00:16,060 --> 07:00:29,980
And she advised me that since the stage that they were at, that the new subdivision regulations did apply. So I alerted their design team, and Angie sent me their updated that they had dropped it down.

3970
07:00:29,980 --> 07:00:38,060
low. So the biggest concern was from the fire department was this section here is what we would

3971
07:00:38,060 --> 07:00:42,740
call like a choke point. So if something, if that road section was compromised, there was

3972
07:00:42,740 --> 07:00:48,120
no other access. The rest of the subdivision down through there was inaccessible if that

3973
07:00:48,120 --> 07:00:53,900
road was compromised. So that's why I was looking for a secondary access. But they did drop

3974
07:00:53,900 --> 07:01:00,640
down below the 100 units, which by code, by North Carolina Fire Prevention Code, and the new

3975
07:01:01,520 --> 07:01:07,900
subdivision regulations, they're allowed to have up to 99 units after the 100th, then it

3976
07:01:07,900 --> 07:01:11,760
has to have a secondary access point for that.

3977
07:01:12,260 --> 07:01:17,060
And there's no concerns with lots of to the left then.

3978
07:01:17,380 --> 07:01:18,180
The additional lots.

3979
07:01:18,380 --> 07:01:20,360
It's really just focusing on that one central area.

3980
07:01:20,500 --> 07:01:21,260
Yes, ma'am.

3981
07:01:21,260 --> 07:01:26,140
So this right here, they do have two access points for those.

3982
07:01:26,320 --> 07:01:30,830
They actually have those, I guess it's more so

3983
07:01:30,830 --> 07:01:33,090
convenience because of the number of lots there.

3984
07:01:33,870 --> 07:01:36,930
But the other areas of their whole development,

3985
07:01:37,330 --> 07:01:41,490
we've checked, I think the tie-in to Breyer Chapel

3986
07:01:41,490 --> 07:01:44,170
has been brought up where that cold saccuses,

3987
07:01:44,170 --> 07:01:47,250
that's on their property, the reason the tie-in

3988
07:01:47,250 --> 07:01:51,510
realistically is there, is because of my requirement for it.

3989
07:01:51,510 --> 07:01:59,130
So, because they have to provide a secondary access point, and there is separation requirements,

3990
07:02:01,350 --> 07:02:05,930
they can get complicated, but if you took a rectangle, you measured the diagonal distance

3991
07:02:05,930 --> 07:02:10,410
across there, and then the access points have to be half of that distance.

3992
07:02:10,450 --> 07:02:15,590
So, if you had a thousand feet across, the two would have to be a five, a minimum five hundred

3993
07:02:15,590 --> 07:02:16,050
feet apart.

3994
07:02:16,610 --> 07:02:19,130
And they meet that, where they make that time.

3995
07:02:19,130 --> 07:02:20,930
That one meets it as well?

3996
07:02:21,290 --> 07:02:21,990
Yes, ma'am.

3997
07:02:22,130 --> 07:02:24,450
With this secondary access point up here,

3998
07:02:25,370 --> 07:02:27,190
they have this one and that one,

3999
07:02:27,350 --> 07:02:28,810
so they meet the separation distances.

4000
07:02:31,270 --> 07:02:33,010
So can I confirm that?

4001
07:02:33,850 --> 07:02:38,650
So it is less than 100 units in that area,

4002
07:02:38,750 --> 07:02:40,590
in that particular area, not.

4003
07:02:41,150 --> 07:02:41,750
Yes, ma'am.

4004
07:02:42,010 --> 07:02:48,890
So they had actually proposed 130, 130, 130,

4005
07:02:48,890 --> 07:02:53,870
to something like that. And when I alerted their design team that it needed to either have a

4006
07:02:53,870 --> 07:03:00,250
secondary access point, or be less than 100 units, they did drop down to the 100 units.

4007
07:03:00,330 --> 07:03:07,370
So I counted them again today and it's correct on their update concept plan shows 99 units.

4008
07:03:07,790 --> 07:03:15,670
So it is under the 100. So one access point is okay. Wow. I know that the there's some

4009
07:03:15,670 --> 07:03:24,940
as an incident reached out to me, asking about that, and trying to get consistency in

4010
07:03:24,940 --> 07:03:25,760
the county,

4011
07:03:27,840 --> 07:03:32,200
and there's a lot of subdivisions in the county currently that do not meet

4012
07:03:32,200 --> 07:03:32,580
that.

4013
07:03:32,740 --> 07:03:42,900
They would be legacy then, and they knew like the preserve is a very good example, they don't

4014
07:03:42,900 --> 07:03:48,880
need that. There's a lot, a lot within a hundred houses, and they preserve, but so that's

4015
07:03:48,880 --> 07:03:50,540
one of the reasons that we made some of the updates.

4016
07:03:52,640 --> 07:03:58,040
Thank you. Appreciate you being here tonight.

4017
07:03:58,520 --> 07:03:58,660
Thank you.

4018
07:04:01,640 --> 07:04:11,620
So further supports our concern is that we have so many different site plans.

4019
07:04:11,620 --> 07:04:15,140
We don't know which one is going to be the actual master plant.

4020
07:04:15,600 --> 07:04:19,360
If they removed lots from this area, they had they shifted them somewhere because they're

4021
07:04:19,360 --> 07:04:21,420
not reducing the number of overall lots.

4022
07:04:22,600 --> 07:04:30,020
So we need a new master plant that shows the actual counts that shows everything that we've

4023
07:04:30,020 --> 07:04:35,720
talked about tonight, which is going to lead me into Parks and Wrakes, so I have a Jacob

4024
07:04:35,720 --> 07:04:39,360
up and talk to you about their conversation about the conservation area.

4025
07:04:54,070 --> 07:05:04,410
So we met with Nick, I don't know what day it was this week, last week, and he wanted to

4026
07:05:04,410 --> 07:05:11,730
talk about the proposal of the land that was going to have the irrigation on it, and we

4027
07:05:11,730 --> 07:05:13,910
let him know that we were not interested in that.

4028
07:05:14,190 --> 07:05:18,970
And I think there must have been a little bit of a misunderstanding because when I asked about the upper

4029
07:05:18,970 --> 07:05:27,430
of it. I was asking about the entire upper piece, not the floodplain. So the reason we are

4030
07:05:27,430 --> 07:05:34,090
not interested in the floodplain is because we can't really do anything with that. Plus,

4031
07:05:35,050 --> 07:05:42,310
it's our understanding that that land is already going to be conservation. So if it's already

4032
07:05:42,310 --> 07:05:48,350
going to be conservation, then it's already going to meet some of the stuff that we're speaking

4033
07:05:48,350 --> 07:05:55,810
of about the 20,000 acres, it will already meet that. We were looking for land that we could

4034
07:05:55,810 --> 07:06:04,370
put trails on to do outdoor recreation, some passive stuff, like even birding, but if we take

4035
07:06:04,370 --> 07:06:10,830
this piece of it, we wouldn't be able to do that because of the putting trails in a floodplain

4036
07:06:10,830 --> 07:06:19,010
is really, really expensive plus with some of the trails that, like, I think we've got it

4037
07:06:19,010 --> 07:06:24,490
cleared up but we wanted to make sure that we would not be maintaining the trails that they

4038
07:06:24,490 --> 07:06:31,090
were putting in the paved trails because we don't have the capacity to do that. It would

4039
07:06:31,090 --> 07:06:37,790
have end up being the same similar situation as with the town of Kerry. So that's kind of where we

4040
07:06:37,790 --> 07:06:50,650
And while we were like, no, we're not interested in this because it's already got to go through the mitigation and it's already going to have to be a conservation piece at some point so there was no benefit for us in plus in the

4041
07:06:50,650 --> 07:07:02,510
Some of the general terms that they gave us was in lieu of giving us this piece of property.

4042
07:07:03,090 --> 07:07:09,290
We're not going to play as recorders action fees, which is a little over half million.

4043
07:07:09,290 --> 07:07:17,450
So that obviously wasn't in our benefit either, we were going to end up getting land that we

4044
07:07:17,450 --> 07:07:23,350
couldn't really do a ton with and we're also going to lose the opportunity for the

4045
07:07:23,350 --> 07:07:29,350
regress and its action fees to add trails to other areas in the portion of the county.

4046
07:07:33,610 --> 07:07:34,310
Thank you.

4047
07:07:45,890 --> 07:07:52,070
Okay, at this point in the last Jason, if he's got his follow up,

4048
07:07:59,200 --> 07:08:05,360
Good evening, commissioners. I think mostly what I have we're just some clarification for clarification.

4049
07:08:06,440 --> 07:08:13,240
So for the mitigation plan, it's been our understanding with prior discussions with the developer that the two

4050
07:08:13,240 --> 07:08:20,860
Medigation planning effort and the site design were two separate projects that were not codependent on each other, but it sounds like

4051
07:08:20,860 --> 07:08:25,240
As of the information tonight, there is some level of interdependency between the two projects.

4052
07:08:25,920 --> 07:08:31,240
So I wonder if there could be some explanation of how the mitigation plan would be different

4053
07:08:31,240 --> 07:08:35,320
if it was under a compact community development or if it was bi-ranked.

4054
07:08:35,460 --> 07:08:41,360
Like, how significant of a change is that, because we don't develop mitigation plans that

4055
07:08:41,360 --> 07:08:43,180
were not well versed in that on the county side.

4056
07:08:43,180 --> 07:08:51,000
on the TIA, so we did receive an updated site plan today,

4057
07:08:54,240 --> 07:08:55,940
so this

4058
07:09:13,830 --> 07:09:30,510
site plan, I think it was in the next presentation, so there have been some adjustments in this portion of the project, this does show the change with the affordable housing component being on both sides of Angie Store Road, and then the reduction of lots in this area.

4059
07:09:30,510 --> 07:09:38,490
It appears that the lot reduction from that this section is now been pushed into the section

4060
07:09:38,490 --> 07:09:42,830
on the west side of this water feature and then onto the opposite side of Parker

4061
07:09:42,830 --> 07:09:44,950
Hundland Road into this area.

4062
07:09:45,790 --> 07:09:52,610
So one question is whether or not the TIAA, which show anything different, I think Ronald

4063
07:09:52,610 --> 07:09:58,650
said it's a level of service F for the residents who would live in this section but with

4064
07:09:58,650 --> 07:10:03,770
increase in lots, what does that do as far as that level of service as far as the weight

4065
07:10:03,770 --> 07:10:08,890
times for folks sitting in this portion of the development and then what would that lead

4066
07:10:08,890 --> 07:10:14,090
to as far as whether or not DOT might be petitioned in the future for additional modification

4067
07:10:14,090 --> 07:10:15,190
to the intersection.

4068
07:10:16,170 --> 07:10:21,970
I'm going to Mr. Couturgus' question about what plans the DOT have and when things be

4069
07:10:21,970 --> 07:10:22,170
done.

4070
07:10:22,370 --> 07:10:25,130
So DOT has no plans for anything on these roads.

4071
07:10:25,130 --> 07:10:33,190
So any improvements would be dictated by DOT to the developer, which is what's included in the traffic impact analysis.

4072
07:10:33,830 --> 07:10:37,750
So the questions about curves, things like that, those are not going to be addressed by NCDOT.

4073
07:10:38,570 --> 07:10:41,810
They're not funded projects, they're not in their queue, they're not on their radar.

4074
07:10:43,690 --> 07:10:50,630
One additional question for Ronald is for the projects, or for the improvements on 15, 5, or 1.

4075
07:10:50,630 --> 07:11:00,530
I was looking at the TIA and for the intersection of Hamlet Chapel Road in 1551, if I'm understanding correctly the 2032 which is the build out, I guess, of the project.

4076
07:11:01,490 --> 07:11:05,390
There are two different scenarios, one, the build out with the DOT improvements, one without.

4077
07:11:06,210 --> 07:11:11,670
The one without shows queuing, if I'm reading it right, that would be, I'm assuming on Hamlet Chapel Road queuing of 1200 feet.

4078
07:11:12,310 --> 07:11:17,970
meaning cars would stack up for 1200 feet if I'm reading it right on that road but with the

4079
07:11:17,970 --> 07:11:26,230
funded project would drop to 125 feet. Project U6192 which is the super street or that's not

4080
07:11:26,230 --> 07:11:31,910
that's not the right word anymore but the project VOT is looking at on 15 by the one it's

4081
07:11:31,910 --> 07:11:37,950
a 170 million dollar project it isn't the step but it has only has preliminary funding for

4082
07:11:37,950 --> 07:11:43,230
engineering. So that means it's not a fully funded project. So I guess one question is,

4083
07:11:43,230 --> 07:11:50,830
if you're 6192, one can't be built by 2032, what are we looking at for the intersections

4084
07:11:50,830 --> 07:11:57,250
on 15th over one, where more is road, and your store road, and Hamlet's Chapel Road, what does

4085
07:11:57,250 --> 07:12:03,150
look like? And then whether or not it's even feasible that this project could be even built by

4086
07:12:03,150 --> 07:12:06,230
because it is a pre-significant project.

4087
07:12:06,870 --> 07:12:11,370
It's our understanding that with the preliminary engineering funding,

4088
07:12:11,530 --> 07:12:13,510
does not guarantee that it is a funded project.

4089
07:12:13,690 --> 07:12:15,970
It just means it's in the stip, and then every two years

4090
07:12:15,970 --> 07:12:18,350
is re-evaluated against all the other projects

4091
07:12:18,350 --> 07:12:20,310
in the district division in the state.

4092
07:12:22,630 --> 07:12:25,310
So that is all I have at this point.

4093
07:12:25,850 --> 07:12:26,450
Thank you.

4094
07:12:26,650 --> 07:12:27,850
It was really helpful.

4095
07:12:27,850 --> 07:12:55,170
And sorry, in Jason, on that step project, are we even internally within the planning org planning to, like, is there? Are we thinking about our portion of funding? Are we looking at where points are going to go? Are we working with partners to, like, jump in on that? Like, where are we even in that conversation?

4096
07:12:55,170 --> 07:13:03,290
I'm not sure I guess Tony would probably be the best person if I'm not putting her on the spot to address that I'm not sure and this project is the scope runs from Pittsburgh

4097
07:13:03,290 --> 07:13:06,530
I think from what do you know

4098
07:13:07,030 --> 07:13:15,070
Because this is like this is where like triangle West jurisdiction ends and then we move into their rural planning org and I don't know

4099
07:13:15,070 --> 07:13:19,010
Like the coordination is that happens across is happening on the other side

4100
07:13:19,010 --> 07:13:22,910
Yeah, it's a little convoluted just because you know the sand hills MPO recently

4101
07:13:22,910 --> 07:13:30,830
So we dedicate points to them and then they return to Central Pines RPO but they're working collaboration to dedicate points to it if that's something that we want

4102
07:13:30,830 --> 07:13:36,750
If that's not something we want for the project we forward then we would just tell them to make an amendment or to postpone it

4103
07:13:37,850 --> 07:13:41,470
And so I guess a part of my concern is we're not even having that conversation

4104
07:13:41,470 --> 07:13:48,670
Yeah, I would say so it's in the state and like Jason said it's pre-living engineering at the moment

4105
07:13:48,670 --> 07:13:49,950
that does

4106
07:13:49,950 --> 07:13:56,670
We need probably what is it 170 million maybe for construction. It's a quite a large project and

4107
07:13:57,330 --> 07:14:03,650
Supershades is you could still use that term, but nowadays they call them RCI's which they referred to which is a reduced conflict intersection

4108
07:14:03,650 --> 07:14:07,830
The most common is an arcut which is that you turn the right and then a you turn

4109
07:14:07,830 --> 07:14:12,850
But they've looked at other models nowadays. So it's up to NCDOT. We are in a

4110
07:14:12,850 --> 07:14:17,530
Lapse with our engineer. We don't currently have a division eight engineer because Brian Quichar sadly retired

4111
07:14:17,530 --> 07:14:20,590
And I think his position is still open at the moment.

4112
07:14:21,190 --> 07:14:24,230
So whoever fills that role will be the individual

4113
07:14:24,230 --> 07:14:26,990
that I work with the most to coordinate these projects.

4114
07:14:28,610 --> 07:14:31,030
So that was a question on my mind as well.

4115
07:14:32,310 --> 07:14:35,310
The TIA said that with the build out of that project,

4116
07:14:35,310 --> 07:14:38,050
specifically, but it's not at construction at all.

4117
07:14:38,310 --> 07:14:39,890
So by 2032, I mean, that's going to create

4118
07:14:39,890 --> 07:14:40,690
up on a quick.

4119
07:14:40,890 --> 07:14:41,370
Exactly.

4120
07:14:43,030 --> 07:14:47,430
So in terms of looking at it from a broader view of not

4121
07:14:47,430 --> 07:14:53,830
us vehicular traffic, but also pedestrian bike. In fixed route, we're looking at fast 2.0.

4122
07:14:54,010 --> 07:14:58,310
So I hope that they've referenced that. Those studies for fixed route transit.

4123
07:15:00,000 --> 07:15:05,420
And for a bike pad, we're working on an update for to that map. So if that's something that they want to have conversations with us.

4124
07:15:05,920 --> 07:15:12,620
Yeah, because to me, that would be helpful because that's part of what's missing in this planning, right?

4125
07:15:14,040 --> 07:15:27,700
I mean, if we are seriously thinking about multimodal transit and sort of making sure that the entire 15501 corridor is getting access to other forms of transit.

4126
07:15:27,700 --> 07:15:30,000
We can't keep building what we were building before.

4127
07:15:30,100 --> 07:15:31,200
We were having these conversations.

4128
07:15:31,620 --> 07:15:32,040
Exactly.

4129
07:15:32,620 --> 07:15:35,120
And with the population projection, it's just going to keep going up.

4130
07:15:35,700 --> 07:15:38,840
One thing I did want to mention while I was up here for y'all, for just context.

4131
07:15:39,400 --> 07:15:44,620
So level of service, at least for my perspective, you can be at level C and it be comfortable.

4132
07:15:44,740 --> 07:15:48,260
Because level C represents a economically flourishing community.

4133
07:15:48,360 --> 07:15:51,380
It means people are coming into the county, they're spending their money, they're doing

4134
07:15:51,380 --> 07:15:55,480
their activities here, or they just means people work in the county and they work outside.

4135
07:15:55,480 --> 07:15:59,920
So being in B and C is comfortable.

4136
07:16:00,100 --> 07:16:02,320
It represents that we are a growing community.

4137
07:16:02,900 --> 07:16:04,980
D and E means we need to start looking,

4138
07:16:05,080 --> 07:16:06,180
we need to be more proactive.

4139
07:16:07,500 --> 07:16:08,740
And that's, unfortunately,

4140
07:16:09,100 --> 07:16:11,140
and to do it, he's very reactive, rather than proactive.

4141
07:16:11,320 --> 07:16:13,780
So that's what our job is to do is to show them

4142
07:16:13,780 --> 07:16:15,400
what our vision is and our goals.

4143
07:16:15,900 --> 07:16:16,960
So that's kind of where we're at.

4144
07:16:17,140 --> 07:16:17,700
Is there any other?

4145
07:16:17,700 --> 07:16:18,160
Thank you.

4146
07:16:18,180 --> 07:16:21,300
That's helpful, because I did think it was important

4147
07:16:21,300 --> 07:16:24,640
that we know that A is not like, oh, you're shining.

4148
07:16:24,640 --> 07:16:33,600
Yeah, F is you're failing, it's a grading system for something that we need to be just sort of keeping our eye on and

4149
07:16:33,600 --> 07:16:36,220
Figuring out how do we want to move the chess pieces so that we can

4150
07:16:36,700 --> 07:16:42,660
Something not the best things given that right yeah, and level of service. Also is beyond delay time

4151
07:16:42,660 --> 07:16:46,900
It's also considered what is the number of vehicles on the road per your capacity

4152
07:16:46,900 --> 07:16:50,880
So it's considering congestion and other like I do so it's not just about delay

4153
07:16:51,320 --> 07:16:53,480
because we also have to consider carbon emissions, right?

4154
07:16:54,100 --> 07:16:56,100
And it's also, at specific times.

4155
07:16:56,620 --> 07:17:00,220
After, during peak and after an hour is correct, so.

4156
07:17:01,700 --> 07:17:03,460
Yeah, that's, thank you.

4157
07:17:03,740 --> 07:17:04,020
Yeah, thank you.

4158
07:17:04,300 --> 07:17:05,600
Thanks for being here tonight.

4159
07:17:07,000 --> 07:17:07,780
I'm going to do that.

4160
07:17:12,160 --> 07:17:15,060
So just to close up where I'm at.

4161
07:17:15,180 --> 07:17:18,880
I don't, if you all have any questions for a watershed protection, of course,

4162
07:17:19,120 --> 07:17:21,840
Taylor is here if you've got any questions about any of the trail,

4163
07:17:21,840 --> 07:17:26,880
that are being proposed in the floodway, which is going to be a huge issue.

4164
07:17:29,180 --> 07:17:31,880
People want to talk about that, you can start talking about it.

4165
07:17:32,360 --> 07:17:38,840
We'll say that Nick pointed out that several years ago, the board at the time, did approve

4166
07:17:38,840 --> 07:17:42,300
an expansion of the compact community node and the latest plan.

4167
07:17:43,160 --> 07:17:48,100
That does it guarantee that a compact community can actually be developed in an area.

4168
07:17:48,100 --> 07:17:56,860
We have these nodes all over the county, different ones, but it doesn't mean that the project that gets brought into us is going to be a good project.

4169
07:17:59,600 --> 07:18:12,980
I think you have some choices and Emily and Jason can maybe elaborate a little bit better than I can, but I think the choices that we would like to recommend tonight is either

4170
07:18:13,580 --> 07:18:25,740
One, hold the public hearing open and see if we can ever get any agreements on anything else that would make this a more acceptable compact community project.

4171
07:18:26,720 --> 07:18:36,440
You certainly have the right to close the public hearing and refer to the planning board and see if the planning board does anything with it or can get things done.

4172
07:18:37,750 --> 07:18:45,310
We also have a concern that because there have been so many changes and so many different versions of the site plan,

4173
07:18:45,490 --> 07:19:01,050
we don't have a actual master plan to work by going forward and it may become down to us having to re-notice and start over with a new application with new information.

4174
07:19:02,650 --> 07:19:05,710
Jason, can you

4175
07:19:08,500 --> 07:19:16,680
clarify that a new notice and process will be required if they're substantial changes to the application?

4176
07:19:20,090 --> 07:19:30,410
Typically that's looking at sort of different uses or more intensity, but it's to provide notice and make sure that everyone who would want to comment has the chance to comment if the project has changed.

4177
07:19:31,750 --> 07:19:32,110
Thank you.

4178
07:19:34,960 --> 07:19:47,000
And another question, so what is the mechanism for ensuring that the, what we, as a board

4179
07:19:47,000 --> 07:19:55,520
believe, is the version of this project that is moving to the planning board is that version?

4180
07:19:58,020 --> 07:20:06,820
It's going to boil down to what y'all are willing to approve and accept what what I mean is this going to be y'all's call

4181
07:20:06,820 --> 07:20:13,740
But if we were to refer this to the planning board tonight what would we be referring to the planning board?

4182
07:20:13,920 --> 07:20:17,380
What version we have right now, which is what?

4183
07:20:17,720 --> 07:20:24,200
Because we have any number of these versions any number of these options that have been presented on the other end of the side the entirety of this

4184
07:20:24,720 --> 07:20:26,880
That's good would go to the planning board. Yes

4185
07:20:31,920 --> 07:20:36,000
But I think Nick was a little snorkey to a comments back here.

4186
07:20:36,080 --> 07:20:40,340
I want to have this five-minute rebuttal, so I'll go ahead and let him do that.

4187
07:20:40,860 --> 07:20:41,300
Thank you, Angela.

4188
07:20:56,420 --> 07:20:56,660
Great.

4189
07:20:56,720 --> 07:20:57,220
Thank you.

4190
07:20:57,460 --> 07:20:59,260
Appreciate the opportunity to respond.

4191
07:20:59,540 --> 07:21:00,240
There's a lot in there.

4192
07:21:01,400 --> 07:21:06,540
One of the things I want to say about the concept plan that we have in front of you now, there

4193
07:21:06,540 --> 07:21:07,760
have been some changes to it.

4194
07:21:07,940 --> 07:21:12,600
One of the changes occurred because the ordinance was changed after we submitted.

4195
07:21:12,600 --> 07:21:19,760
We submitted this in January, the fire marshal changed, we did because the ordinance changed since then.

4196
07:21:20,040 --> 07:21:25,420
We have not changed the level of intensity, the number of units has not gone up, the uses have not changed.

4197
07:21:26,020 --> 07:21:33,420
This is nothing other than responding to honor feet to the things that are happening in the environment since we filed the application.

4198
07:21:34,460 --> 07:21:40,760
And so I think that's the fair way of looking at it and I think the easy way of looking at what is it that's being referred to the planning board

4199
07:21:40,760 --> 07:21:47,700
is the site plan that you see in front of you today, which is the one that incorporates all of the changes that we have

4200
07:21:47,700 --> 07:21:53,340
that we have sought to make over the course of the process.

4201
07:21:54,940 --> 07:21:55,240
Huge.

4202
07:21:56,820 --> 07:21:58,880
I don't know how to reduce the size of that.

4203
07:22:03,560 --> 07:22:04,400
Oh, yeah.

4204
07:22:05,580 --> 07:22:06,140
Oh, up there.

4205
07:22:06,420 --> 07:22:06,720
There we go.

4206
07:22:06,820 --> 07:22:08,460
It's on the bottom on my screen for some reason.

4207
07:22:13,180 --> 07:22:13,680
Oh, okay.

4208
07:22:13,680 --> 07:22:24,600
Yeah, so the site plan that we had at the top here, so this is the one that was submitted

4209
07:22:24,600 --> 07:22:29,840
that includes the change down here and I mentioned all these changes at the beginning of my talk

4210
07:22:29,840 --> 07:22:36,100
because of the change in the ordinances about the number of access points that was down there

4211
07:22:36,100 --> 07:22:40,800
and then it also mentioned change here which relates to the affordable housing proposal.

4212
07:22:40,800 --> 07:22:42,500
I'm not sure what to do about that.

4213
07:22:42,740 --> 07:22:48,500
We're in the process of having very good, strong, good faith discussions about how to do this

4214
07:22:48,500 --> 07:22:48,940
exactly.

4215
07:22:49,960 --> 07:22:54,580
And so we showed you the absolutely up to the minute update of where we are on that.

4216
07:22:54,660 --> 07:22:57,140
And we're happy to keep those conversations going with the county.

4217
07:22:57,780 --> 07:22:59,120
And I think they are too.

4218
07:22:59,460 --> 07:23:04,420
So I mean, I guess my recommendation there would be to forward it to the planning board

4219
07:23:04,420 --> 07:23:07,180
and let us keep working on it before we get to the planning board.

4220
07:23:07,320 --> 07:23:10,720
And I think the planning stuff has some options about when it gets to the planning board.

4221
07:23:33,160 --> 07:23:40,060
And if we held it, when you have it for that month, what can happen?

4222
07:23:46,380 --> 07:23:49,920
Jennifer wants me to speak into the microphones so she can get it properly.

4223
07:23:50,520 --> 07:23:51,840
So what happens in that month?

4224
07:23:52,840 --> 07:23:57,020
Usually what happens in that one month delay is when we have a really large project,

4225
07:23:57,020 --> 07:24:03,100
It gets staff time just to prepare the notes, get all the information that's been submitted.

4226
07:24:03,560 --> 07:24:10,340
Make sure we have everything in a nice tidy packet, prepare the notes, and then get everything ready for the following month for the planning board.

4227
07:24:14,550 --> 07:24:19,050
With several items that sounds like they're still open here, this would involve multiple departments.

4228
07:24:19,930 --> 07:24:22,950
Whether we could get that done in the extra month or not is unknown.

4229
07:24:23,750 --> 07:24:28,750
So we would have, well, the people who are here tonight, you've got watershed protection

4230
07:24:28,750 --> 07:24:32,710
parks for recreation, housing department, and the manager's office, because the manager's

4231
07:24:32,710 --> 07:24:35,550
office has got to be in the loop on all of the things we're discussing to see whether

4232
07:24:35,550 --> 07:24:40,310
or not that fits into the bigger picture from budgeting, things like that.

4233
07:24:41,370 --> 07:24:49,810
So if we continue this until next month and keep the public hearing open, then the process

4234
07:24:49,810 --> 07:24:55,030
would be, I mean, basically, we had public comment last month, public comment this month.

4235
07:24:55,350 --> 07:25:01,670
Nick gave a presentation last month, we had to make an exception, so he can make a presentation this month.

4236
07:25:04,190 --> 07:25:13,470
Outside of giving them more time to get all their ducks in a row, so that we've got something a little bit cleaner to the planning board,

4237
07:25:13,470 --> 07:25:16,530
which I think would be better.

4238
07:25:17,350 --> 07:25:22,610
We certainly don't want to send an incomplete package or something that's got a lot of questions that are unanswered yet

4239
07:25:22,610 --> 07:25:25,830
to the planning board in order to make a recommendation.

4240
07:25:26,750 --> 07:25:33,950
But then what do we do with how typically we handle a public hearing on something like this,

4241
07:25:34,550 --> 07:25:42,510
where already the time allotted to the applicant has been used up?

4242
07:25:42,510 --> 07:25:47,030
So I think that's going to be a question, probably, an internal discussion, since we have these

4243
07:25:47,030 --> 07:25:53,350
established rules, it sounds like that would probably end up being another waiver or our

4244
07:25:53,350 --> 07:25:55,370
DDAs from the adopted rules.

4245
07:25:57,330 --> 07:26:02,470
The question of whether or not we have to re-notice, I mean, we're talking about that today because

4246
07:26:02,470 --> 07:26:03,570
of the different changes.

4247
07:26:04,410 --> 07:26:09,930
Again, I don't know if lots have shifted from a portion of the development to another section

4248
07:26:09,930 --> 07:26:15,270
of the development that it joins residents who are outside of the project, we received a letter.

4249
07:26:17,030 --> 07:26:20,870
We don't know what their assumption is going into the prior public hearing.

4250
07:26:22,350 --> 07:26:27,550
They may not have shown up because they were satisfied with what they saw, so it begs the

4251
07:26:27,550 --> 07:26:33,090
question of if you've had that shift, do we need to re-notice that they're up the option

4252
07:26:33,090 --> 07:26:38,070
of looking at a revised site plan to see whether or not they might have comments, so I think

4253
07:26:38,070 --> 07:26:44,130
It does open that door up, particularly if we read notice, then we are reopening the hearing.

4254
07:26:44,970 --> 07:26:49,430
So I think we're back to square one, as far as everybody gets two minutes, applicants get

4255
07:26:49,430 --> 07:26:51,250
15 minutes, the five minutes of the battle.

4256
07:26:51,710 --> 07:26:56,990
I mean, at a minimum, I think we would reset to those standards.

4257
07:26:59,540 --> 07:27:03,180
But again, I don't know that I'm saying that we have to read notice, it's just I think that's

4258
07:27:03,180 --> 07:27:09,620
a legal consideration that we need to look into with some of the changes that we're

4259
07:27:10,600 --> 07:27:14,060
We were just finding out like today when we got the revised site planned.

4260
07:27:16,370 --> 07:27:24,210
So it seems like continuing to next month when bias and time for you all to determine if

4261
07:27:24,210 --> 07:27:25,990
it does need to be re-noticed.

4262
07:27:26,590 --> 07:27:26,690
Yes.

4263
07:27:26,810 --> 07:27:28,450
For sure, and it's not going to start a clock.

4264
07:27:31,840 --> 07:27:36,280
Once the hearing is closed, we've got a timer that we are operating under per the zoning

4265
07:27:36,280 --> 07:27:36,480
order.

4266
07:27:36,600 --> 07:27:37,580
And there's reason for that.

4267
07:27:37,720 --> 07:27:39,260
So there's predictability in the process.

4268
07:27:40,080 --> 07:27:43,800
The public knows what the process is going to look like moving forward, the applicant.

4269
07:27:44,560 --> 07:27:48,900
So there's a good reason for that, but again, it does start that clock.

4270
07:27:50,680 --> 07:27:56,680
I really, really, really want to send this to the planning board, but I also feel like, you know,

4271
07:27:56,900 --> 07:28:00,420
it would be a disservice to the planning board to send it on to them right now,

4272
07:28:00,540 --> 07:28:07,560
and certainly to staff to try and do all the work necessary to prepare this for the planning board.

4273
07:28:07,560 --> 07:28:11,600
What is the sense of other commissioners on this one?

4274
07:28:15,950 --> 07:28:19,830
It feels like a very, very unintentionally sloppy bun.

4275
07:28:21,170 --> 07:28:25,650
And I don't know what we are sending to the planning board,

4276
07:28:25,950 --> 07:28:28,210
which I find uncomfortable.

4277
07:28:29,170 --> 07:28:32,270
Yeah, I'm concerned that we don't know what we're sending them either.

4278
07:28:33,250 --> 07:28:36,270
So I'd be obliged to keep it open.

4279
07:28:36,270 --> 07:28:43,490
I also, well, on the other side, I feel like we might not even get answers or an agreement

4280
07:28:44,410 --> 07:28:47,950
from where with parts, or with a housing affordability.

4281
07:28:48,910 --> 07:28:58,850
So I think there's a lot of maybe, there may still be a lot of unanswered questions, and so

4282
07:29:02,390 --> 07:29:11,430
It's kind of an unfinished packet, but I feel like we're going to be at the same place.

4283
07:29:12,010 --> 07:29:13,110
Next month.

4284
07:29:14,510 --> 07:29:17,970
And so that would be kind of time wasted.

4285
07:29:19,810 --> 07:29:23,950
I think they've had enough time to provide the answers to us and to the public,

4286
07:29:23,950 --> 07:29:29,610
I guess what their idea is, and enough time to work with staff to come with agreements.

4287
07:29:30,110 --> 07:29:36,350
They've heard from parts and where they've heard from the Affordable Housing.

4288
07:29:37,210 --> 07:29:42,470
There seems to not be a real solid agreement on two moving forward.

4289
07:29:43,270 --> 07:29:50,870
Personally, just out of the nature, me anticipating the same situation in the month.

4290
07:29:50,870 --> 07:29:59,790
I'm comfortable passing it on to the planning board and if they answer the questions by there, so be it.

4291
07:30:00,000 --> 07:30:04,440
But I personally not really satisfied with this application.

4292
07:30:08,300 --> 07:30:12,580
Commissioner Delaney, do you have any preference on this one?

4293
07:30:13,320 --> 07:30:17,420
Can you, are we finished hearing from Nick? Or was it just an intermediary?

4294
07:30:17,720 --> 07:30:18,800
Yes, I was hearing from Nick.

4295
07:30:20,000 --> 07:30:23,100
Okay, so I had a question back to you that we never got to on the report all the time.

4296
07:30:23,100 --> 07:30:28,040
And it was initially going to be about the proposal and your comment earlier about an option

4297
07:30:28,040 --> 07:30:31,740
that 630 homes or somewhere down around 400.

4298
07:30:32,040 --> 07:30:37,800
I think we've largely plowed that field and it probably, my question probably just comes

4299
07:30:37,800 --> 07:30:43,800
down to whether a change along those lines would be a significant change if that's what

4300
07:30:43,800 --> 07:30:49,100
you decided to do if this meeting were held open but at a very high level is what you have

4301
07:30:49,100 --> 07:30:54,060
presented tonight and what the applicant wants to go to the planning board now tonight

4302
07:30:54,060 --> 07:31:00,760
would that change in any significant way or from the maps that you showed?

4303
07:31:01,040 --> 07:31:06,560
I mean, that's roughly a third fewer houses, would that reduce the spray fields by a third,

4304
07:31:06,620 --> 07:31:09,720
keep all the roadways the same, but increase the lot sizes?

4305
07:31:10,040 --> 07:31:12,380
Can you have that very high level, can you say what the difference would be?

4306
07:31:12,800 --> 07:31:16,800
Yeah, and I would want to ask Mark to buttress me here if I don't get this exactly right,

4307
07:31:16,800 --> 07:31:20,740
but I think in general the, well, that's being back.

4308
07:31:20,740 --> 07:31:27,960
I think in general, the land plan would be very similar for conservation subdivision as to this one.

4309
07:31:28,360 --> 07:31:31,280
The houses would be in the same rough location

4310
07:31:32,580 --> 07:31:36,540
and they would have the lot sizes would be approximately the same.

4311
07:31:37,040 --> 07:31:38,900
And so it really wouldn't change that much.

4312
07:31:39,060 --> 07:31:43,180
It would reduce the number of units and of course it would take away the ability to do the affordable housing.

4313
07:31:44,360 --> 07:31:45,920
So that's the main difference really.

4314
07:31:45,920 --> 07:31:52,720
Okay. Thank you for that. I don't think I need any more on that, but I do want to raise something because it's come up again.

4315
07:31:53,160 --> 07:32:03,320
I want you to know from me that the chairs comment earlier to you does not reflect my personal views about whether you serve yourself well by raising things at all or in a particular way.

4316
07:32:03,900 --> 07:32:10,540
That was not offered on my behalf. I think it's appropriate to say that it wasn't offered on the boards to have because it wasn't a vote of the board.

4317
07:32:10,540 --> 07:32:23,500
I would encourage you to disregard that comment, and I think that in a healthier, better position this board would never say such things to you or allow you to hear that you've got a smokey little comment when you're making this presentation.

4318
07:32:24,560 --> 07:32:37,320
We have again fallen well below our standards and our obligations, not just under our ethics code or our procedures, but for what we owe to anybody who comes here and needs to know that they will be respected no matter what they have to say.

4319
07:32:37,320 --> 07:32:44,020
So, I told you in a previous instance when you were also treated poorly here that I would

4320
07:32:44,020 --> 07:32:47,520
not let that moment go by again, so I'm not.

4321
07:32:48,540 --> 07:32:53,860
I would have raised it in the moment, each time, except the earlier today when I raised

4322
07:32:53,860 --> 07:32:57,760
similar concerns, I was threatened with arrest and removal from this meeting.

4323
07:32:58,880 --> 07:33:03,520
So that's how bad we are, and I'm sorry that you didn't get better from us.

4324
07:33:03,520 --> 07:33:08,480
Well, I would just say that for the record, I appreciate the comments, I would just say that for the record,

4325
07:33:09,860 --> 07:33:12,120
I do hold myself to a standard.

4326
07:33:12,600 --> 07:33:18,440
I do try to communicate effectively and peaceably, and Angie's probably right sometimes,

4327
07:33:19,200 --> 07:33:22,040
my emotions get the better of me, and I regret it when it happens.

4328
07:33:22,040 --> 07:33:35,280
I apologize for it, I do recognize that I have a position here where I want the board to trust me and respect me.

4329
07:33:35,480 --> 07:33:41,380
And so I always try to live up to that standard and I will continue to do that.

4330
07:33:41,540 --> 07:33:45,480
I may not be perfect, but I will try. Thank you.

4331
07:33:45,480 --> 07:33:55,640
Thank you, Nick, which is exactly why I was sitting up there and I wanted to apologize to you and to the board and to the citizens and to other staff.

4332
07:33:55,980 --> 07:33:59,360
I was unprofessional for me to make that comment and I do sincerely apologize.

4333
07:34:00,020 --> 07:34:01,000
We have a great relationship.

4334
07:34:02,040 --> 07:34:03,600
Okay, I don't.

4335
07:34:04,900 --> 07:34:05,680
I'm sorry.

4336
07:34:05,940 --> 07:34:06,660
It's been one night.

4337
07:34:06,780 --> 07:34:07,620
Thanks seem to have.

4338
07:34:08,260 --> 07:34:14,920
Madam Chair, in the spirit of those comments, I'd like to make a motion for the board to officially apologize to Mr. Robinson in the applicant.

4339
07:34:14,920 --> 07:34:15,600
Thank

4340
07:34:19,690 --> 07:34:19,850
you.

4341
07:34:19,850 --> 07:34:20,550
Thank you, Commissioner.

4342
07:34:20,870 --> 07:34:21,170
Join me.

4343
07:34:21,550 --> 07:34:23,230
I appreciate your thoughts on that.

4344
07:34:24,710 --> 07:34:25,970
Do we want the handle?

4345
07:34:27,870 --> 07:34:29,130
I just wanted to add that.

4346
07:34:29,590 --> 07:34:36,970
I think I agree with you that we may end up back here if we're looking for the wrong thing.

4347
07:34:37,470 --> 07:34:43,030
What I would be looking for is for us by the next meeting to have pulled together and maybe

4348
07:34:43,030 --> 07:34:48,990
this is something staff can be working on what this final iteration of the package that

4349
07:34:48,990 --> 07:34:53,910
that we will be handing to planning board looks like.

4350
07:34:54,030 --> 07:34:57,570
As opposed to, I'm not, I don't think we're seeking more information.

4351
07:34:58,030 --> 07:35:01,210
I don't think there are quite a lot of questions to be answered.

4352
07:35:01,890 --> 07:35:06,710
But more, where did we land in terms of what we are handing?

4353
07:35:06,950 --> 07:35:14,790
So it may be that we're handing the planning board to versions of what was discussed

4354
07:35:14,790 --> 07:35:18,570
around the open-spay or parts of Iraq concern,

4355
07:35:18,950 --> 07:35:21,330
or the affordable housing thing.

4356
07:35:23,410 --> 07:35:25,330
But right now, to me, it seems like we've

4357
07:35:25,330 --> 07:35:26,890
talked about a number of things.

4358
07:35:28,490 --> 07:35:29,850
And we didn't make decisions.

4359
07:35:30,110 --> 07:35:31,150
We didn't make any determinations.

4360
07:35:31,330 --> 07:35:32,150
We heard them.

4361
07:35:32,230 --> 07:35:35,270
And I'm just concerned that what is going to planning

4362
07:35:35,830 --> 07:35:42,240
look like what we think we heard or to planning

4363
07:35:42,240 --> 07:35:44,600
board looks like what we think this board heard.

4364
07:35:46,870 --> 07:35:51,330
Where we need to continue this, Nick, what would you bring to us next month?

4365
07:35:51,710 --> 07:35:56,230
That is a great question and when I was going to rise to seek to be recognized about.

4366
07:35:56,950 --> 07:36:03,330
Here's what I would recommend, and I would want to do this in cooperation with the staff, is to get...

4367
07:36:03,330 --> 07:36:10,050
Because we've really, really hard between these meetings, I know it might not seem like it's sometimes that we have worked very, very hard.

4368
07:36:10,690 --> 07:36:14,590
And what I would love is a list from the planning staff

4369
07:36:14,590 --> 07:36:16,710
with the things that they feel like are open.

4370
07:36:17,350 --> 07:36:19,410
And if we can get that list quickly,

4371
07:36:20,310 --> 07:36:23,330
then we will respond to every single one of those

4372
07:36:23,330 --> 07:36:27,510
on a timeline that the planning staff may want to tell us

4373
07:36:27,510 --> 07:36:30,590
if it's a week or 10 days, whatever, try to do that.

4374
07:36:30,730 --> 07:36:33,190
So they have enough time to review whatever we send them.

4375
07:36:33,390 --> 07:36:36,890
So that, when we come back next month, if it's continued,

4376
07:36:37,990 --> 07:36:44,130
At least as between us and planning staff, we'll know that we've tried as hard as we could to respond to everything that was open.

4377
07:36:45,390 --> 07:36:54,010
And I just don't want to, I mean, I spent hours going through last month's public hearing to try to see if I could write down all the things that came up that we needed to answer.

4378
07:36:54,810 --> 07:37:01,910
And I would love it if I had a list of the specific things, and we would do that. I can promise you, we would do that.

4379
07:37:01,910 --> 07:37:08,770
I don't know if that's helpful, but that's what I would deliver, is whatever they asked for us to give them a thorough answer on.

4380
07:37:10,470 --> 07:37:32,570
I mean, I think what we're looking for is a finalization of the materials, the final materials for everything that has been submitted that has been final along with anything that is gaps that hasn't yet been submitted that we're still waiting on potentially answers to questions that you have that we still don't have answers so that you feel

4381
07:37:32,570 --> 07:37:39,350
This is a complete package, and then I think what we could do is have it on the agenda next month

4382
07:37:40,210 --> 07:37:46,970
and have staff present. This is the complete package. So we have some understanding of what it is.

4383
07:37:50,310 --> 07:37:50,890
I imagine

4384
07:37:51,990 --> 07:37:57,710
You may have a couple of things you may want to point out. I really like to keep that to a minimum

4385
07:37:58,430 --> 07:38:02,910
because we've already put a lot of time from the applicant on this project.

4386
07:38:03,950 --> 07:38:08,230
taking up the people's time and our time and the people who have come out now as well

4387
07:38:08,230 --> 07:38:11,550
play a lot to talk and I'm seeing people go and gosh, not another meeting.

4388
07:38:12,250 --> 07:38:12,710
I understand.

4389
07:38:14,150 --> 07:38:18,670
I mean, if there was a list and we completed the list and the staff had time to review it

4390
07:38:18,670 --> 07:38:23,910
before we got here to say if they thought it was complete, then maybe we have an answer before

4391
07:38:23,910 --> 07:38:26,770
we even get here in the next time and we're just open for questions or whatever.

4392
07:38:28,270 --> 07:38:31,870
I didn't feel like tonight we needed to respond to the traffic stuff in particular

4393
07:38:31,870 --> 07:38:36,810
and the creak mitigation stuff because it was left wide open last time I feel like we've gotten

4394
07:38:36,810 --> 07:38:41,950
enough information in there for a prudent person to have enough information. But we'll respond

4395
07:38:41,950 --> 07:38:47,230
to any question, really, and we want y'all to feel like you have something that's complete

4396
07:38:47,230 --> 07:38:49,210
to pass along to the company for sure.

4397
07:38:49,750 --> 07:38:50,110
Thank you.

4398
07:38:50,390 --> 07:38:58,390
And then I do want to point out to you. I don't want it to sound as though I feel as though

4399
07:38:58,390 --> 07:39:00,550
we have to walk out of this meeting agreement.

4400
07:39:00,550 --> 07:39:04,190
That is not, which I think it's starting to veer that direction.

4401
07:39:04,770 --> 07:39:14,130
I just want us to be clear that what we, yes, what we are sending is the complete package.

4402
07:39:14,630 --> 07:39:22,730
Whether we like it, agree with it, whatever, you know, the planning board is getting to view the complete package.

4403
07:39:23,050 --> 07:39:26,270
No, no opinion when we're the other place that it feels like it's done.

4404
07:39:26,270 --> 07:39:33,170
We normally did halfway put together match that they have to try and make sense about to the fact I just I want that then to feel like okay

4405
07:39:33,170 --> 07:39:36,910
This is it now you guys review dot and make for a commendation

4406
07:39:37,650 --> 07:39:39,830
That's what I'd like them. I agree

4407
07:39:39,830 --> 07:39:44,270
Good classification. Well, I don't know what the planning staff thinks about my yes, I suggest it

4408
07:39:49,750 --> 07:39:53,650
So as we always do we're always looking at the schedule. So we're on the 18th right now

4409
07:39:55,290 --> 07:39:58,630
Your next meeting where this will be before you will be June 15

4410
07:39:58,630 --> 07:40:02,570
So we have a short turnaround time because of the way the calendar falls, our deadline

4411
07:40:02,570 --> 07:40:06,970
to get items to the clerk so that everything gets in the queue is June 1st, which means

4412
07:40:06,970 --> 07:40:12,310
we would have to have everything to have been submitted to staff when I say staff, it's

4413
07:40:12,310 --> 07:40:17,090
not just planning, so we've got watershed housing, all of our marshal, all these other departments

4414
07:40:17,090 --> 07:40:21,950
are going to have to weigh in of what ever submitted, best case, I think, you know, I'm going

4415
07:40:21,950 --> 07:40:24,890
to look to some of the other departments, maybe with a head nod, could we get our list

4416
07:40:24,890 --> 07:40:27,990
questions by the end of this week, which will be the 22nd.

4417
07:40:31,120 --> 07:40:34,320
So, it sounds like by the end of this week, we could, it sounds like we can get a list to

4418
07:40:34,320 --> 07:40:34,900
the applicants.

4419
07:40:35,800 --> 07:40:40,880
25th is Memorial Day, so I'm not sure that they may be lost on the applicant team.

4420
07:40:41,660 --> 07:40:46,240
May 29th is going to be dropped at that line for getting the responses back, which is next

4421
07:40:46,240 --> 07:40:46,680
Friday.

4422
07:40:47,520 --> 07:40:50,700
But we are not, I cannot guarantee that we're going to have time to review that, because

4423
07:40:50,700 --> 07:40:55,020
I can't speak for other department schedules and, um, what are you recommending?

4424
07:40:56,060 --> 07:41:00,200
I mean, I would say the best, I think we can do, into this week to get the list of questions

4425
07:41:00,200 --> 07:41:06,120
if we can get those sooner. Obviously we'll get them to them sooner. We would need responses

4426
07:41:06,120 --> 07:41:12,400
back by the 29th to get things in the queue for the June 15th meeting, but that does not guarantee

4427
07:41:12,400 --> 07:41:16,440
that staff can continue it further than that, or is that not a thing?

4428
07:41:18,460 --> 07:41:19,880
I'm going to continue

4429
07:41:19,880 --> 07:41:25,780
more than a month. I'm fine with us trying to get, I mean if we get a list of questions

4430
07:41:25,780 --> 07:41:30,680
together tomorrow, as soon as we can get those from all the staff, we'll get those to them.

4431
07:41:30,980 --> 07:41:35,840
It's not like we're going to sit on it, but I'm just going to give you the worst case in

4432
07:41:35,840 --> 07:41:37,660
area, but just to give us a little bit of room.

4433
07:41:44,260 --> 07:41:49,620
I will say if that step is not, you know,

4434
07:41:53,780 --> 07:41:53,780
you

4435
07:41:53,780 --> 07:41:58,140
all are deciding tonight that you're going to have, you're going to reschedule an

4436
07:41:58,140 --> 07:42:02,420
engine and this stuff is not, then you're still going to have to meet and open the

4437
07:42:02,420 --> 07:42:06,780
public hearing and accept comments, even though you may not have that information,

4438
07:42:07,640 --> 07:42:13,740
it might be a better thought to put it off until July. I know I'm like the bad guy

4439
07:42:13,740 --> 07:42:18,560
there, but just thinking about timing. Can we do that?

4440
07:42:19,300 --> 07:42:31,880
Yes, we can, and we were having similar thoughts over here as well as to put the applicant and staff all involved with enough time to coordinate that.

4441
07:42:32,060 --> 07:42:43,020
So we're not back here in a month with open questions and some time if it's agreeable to the board or what else.

4442
07:42:43,020 --> 07:42:46,940
July might be a better time to train.

4443
07:42:47,220 --> 07:42:49,320
So he did ask the question, we don't,

4444
07:42:49,380 --> 07:42:51,980
by the zoning ordinance, we don't hold public hearings in July,

4445
07:42:52,760 --> 07:42:55,440
but I think because this is an application in process,

4446
07:42:55,700 --> 07:42:57,340
I think that I don't think there's a problem

4447
07:42:57,340 --> 07:42:58,480
curing it to July.

4448
07:42:59,160 --> 07:43:00,880
That would just be if we were seeing,

4449
07:43:00,920 --> 07:43:02,800
if we were seeing an application on one particular

4450
07:43:02,800 --> 07:43:04,840
for that would theoretically be July,

4451
07:43:04,940 --> 07:43:06,140
we would not be able to schedule it,

4452
07:43:06,200 --> 07:43:07,560
but this would just be a continuation.

4453
07:43:09,980 --> 07:43:12,080
And we have, I mean, we can't forget that we're

4454
07:43:12,080 --> 07:43:16,160
deep in budget stuff and so these next 10 days are going to be hearing you.

4455
07:43:18,320 --> 07:43:20,400
That's sort of June 15th, is this?

4456
07:43:21,600 --> 07:43:21,840
Okay.

4457
07:43:22,080 --> 07:43:26,720
So what's the date on that, Jennifer, the July meeting?

4458
07:43:27,540 --> 07:43:28,040
Is it the 20th?

4459
07:43:29,040 --> 07:43:29,760
The 20th?

4460
07:43:31,060 --> 07:43:32,400
It was reschedule.

4461
07:43:33,360 --> 07:43:33,480
Ah.

4462
07:43:35,040 --> 07:43:35,600
I'm July.

4463
07:43:37,180 --> 07:43:37,260
Is it?

4464
07:43:38,660 --> 07:43:39,020
Yeah.

4465
07:43:39,180 --> 07:43:42,060
It was reschedule because of Nanko's, so it's a bit of a bit of a little bit of a little bit.

4466
07:43:42,060 --> 07:43:48,780
It's July 27th at 6 p.m.

4467
07:43:50,840 --> 07:43:52,780
Okay, that's going to be a shorter meeting.

4468
07:43:55,790 --> 07:43:57,150
So July 27th?

4469
07:43:57,290 --> 07:43:57,670
Yeah, but we're here.

4470
07:43:58,910 --> 07:43:59,510
All right.

4471
07:44:00,550 --> 07:44:07,690
If y'all could do a motion with the date and the time and the location when that meeting,

4472
07:44:07,910 --> 07:44:09,410
when that hearing will be continued.

4473
07:44:09,410 --> 07:44:15,450
I need a motion to continue this until July 27th meeting at 6 am in court.

4474
07:44:15,750 --> 07:44:16,290
So, move.

4475
07:44:16,830 --> 07:44:17,090
Second.

4476
07:44:17,750 --> 07:44:18,290
All in favor?

4477
07:44:19,010 --> 07:44:19,150
Aye.

4478
07:44:19,830 --> 07:44:20,370
Thank you.

4479
07:44:20,530 --> 07:44:21,870
I don't see any de-continues.

4480
07:44:22,010 --> 07:44:25,050
So, my contribution to the discussion is that I think it's unnecessary.

4481
07:44:25,650 --> 07:44:30,870
You can through this twice the applicant has stated tonight that they've given us the presentation.

4482
07:44:31,270 --> 07:44:32,370
They want the county to have.

4483
07:44:32,610 --> 07:44:35,710
So, I think it's unnecessary and we'll vote against it.

4484
07:44:35,710 --> 07:44:41,450
I would be too lazy when I would express my thought process earlier.

4485
07:44:41,510 --> 07:44:41,870
Gotcha.

4486
07:44:42,370 --> 07:44:42,710
Thank you.

4487
07:44:43,670 --> 07:44:43,910
All right.

4488
07:44:44,070 --> 07:44:48,190
So that was the three to two with Commissioner Delaney.

4489
07:44:48,510 --> 07:44:50,710
Thank you, Commissioner Gomez for us.

4490
07:44:52,010 --> 07:44:52,610
Loading now.

4491
07:44:55,740 --> 07:44:56,180
All right.

4492
07:44:56,660 --> 07:44:59,980
So this has been continued until the July.

4493
07:45:11,040 --> 07:45:12,000
All right.

4494
07:45:16,690 --> 07:45:19,790
Let's go ahead and have a ten minute recess.

4495
07:45:26,200 --> 07:45:32,420
Five minutes may be enough. We just wanted to give you an opportunity for the room, because we need that everybody would be leaving.

4496
07:45:38,480 --> 07:45:41,420
All right, nine fifty guys. That works for me. Thank you.

4497
07:50:00,370 --> 07:50:05,150
All right. We have one minute. We got to get back in our seats and finish doing our job for the day guys.

4498
07:50:05,150 --> 07:50:05,790
It's

4499
07:50:19,520 --> 07:50:20,940
finished this up.

4500
07:50:40,680 --> 07:50:41,180
No.

4501
07:50:42,060 --> 07:50:42,700
Yeah.

4502
07:51:11,410 --> 07:51:12,430
We're almost done.

4503
07:51:13,070 --> 07:51:13,110
OK.

4504
07:51:13,490 --> 07:51:13,730
All right.

4505
07:51:13,730 --> 07:51:17,890
Next we have under board priorities item 260252.

4506
07:51:18,290 --> 07:51:23,150
Vote to approve a three year memorandum of understanding between the Chattam County Public Health Department.

4507
07:51:24,310 --> 07:51:29,930
CCPHD and Chattam Hospital regarding temporary storage of health department vaccines.

4508
07:51:30,850 --> 07:51:33,230
During an approved time of need.

4509
07:51:33,230 --> 07:51:40,430
Mr. Gamma, as far as we'll request that the Board of Commissioners will recuse him.

4510
07:51:41,070 --> 07:51:47,650
I will ask for a full three-week queue, so I guess I'll make the motion to be recused

4511
07:51:48,390 --> 07:51:56,090
for the vote for Item 26-02-52 given that I'm on both the Board for the Board of Health

4512
07:51:56,090 --> 07:51:59,130
and on the Board of Trustees for UNC Health.

4513
07:51:59,390 --> 07:52:02,270
I think someone else should make the motion.

4514
07:52:02,270 --> 07:52:03,070
Okay.

4515
07:52:03,830 --> 07:52:04,410
And I second.

4516
07:52:04,970 --> 07:52:05,430
There you go.

4517
07:52:05,710 --> 07:52:06,150
All in favour?

4518
07:52:06,950 --> 07:52:06,970
All right.

4519
07:52:08,690 --> 07:52:09,090
All right.

4520
07:52:09,630 --> 07:52:11,270
So I'm voting for you, sir.

4521
07:52:17,270 --> 07:52:25,260
And I will make the motion to approve a three-year memorandum of understand between

4522
07:52:25,260 --> 07:52:29,900
ten of public health and ten of hospital regretting temporary storage, apartment vaccines

4523
07:52:29,900 --> 07:52:31,280
during a proof time of need.

4524
07:52:31,640 --> 07:52:32,400
Thanks a second.

4525
07:52:33,160 --> 07:52:33,500
All in favour?

4526
07:52:34,140 --> 07:52:34,480
All right.

4527
07:52:34,840 --> 07:52:35,340
All right.

4528
07:52:39,210 --> 07:52:40,490
All right,

4529
07:52:45,030 --> 07:52:51,710
next we have intergovernmental relations report, and that will be our Intergovernmental

4530
07:52:51,710 --> 07:52:54,190
Relations Manager Lindsey Ray for any update.

4531
07:52:54,690 --> 07:52:59,470
Hi everybody, I just wanted to let you know that the Constitutional Amendment on the

4532
07:52:59,470 --> 07:53:03,670
property tax levy limit is going to be in the House Rules Committee tomorrow morning,

4533
07:53:03,970 --> 07:53:10,070
so we'll see if it gets calendared last Tuesday at 8 a.m. Robert Reeves team called me and

4534
07:53:10,070 --> 07:53:13,710
request that a whole lot of information, because they thought it might be on the calendar

4535
07:53:13,710 --> 07:53:14,890
that day.

4536
07:53:15,210 --> 07:53:20,410
So it's good that it wasn't, but we do anticipate that that will be soon, and they

4537
07:53:20,410 --> 07:53:22,210
appreciate it all the information that we sent.

4538
07:53:22,550 --> 07:53:24,470
So hopefully that is helpful to them.

4539
07:53:26,430 --> 07:53:32,230
The local legislation, local bill for the UDO implementation, is in the state and local

4540
07:53:32,230 --> 07:53:36,350
government committee, but it has not been calendar yet, so we're watching that closely.

4541
07:53:37,390 --> 07:53:50,190
I'm a lip commissioner Robertson talk about it, but we had a great time at Farmland Preservation Advocacy Day last week at the General Assembly and every other group from the state that was lobbying was there.

4542
07:53:50,990 --> 07:53:58,250
I've never seen it like that before and the people that worked there said they've never seen it like that before, so I'm glad we got the time that we had there.

4543
07:53:58,250 --> 07:54:01,990
So that was a county advocacy day as the June 9th and 10th.

4544
07:54:01,990 --> 07:54:07,750
So if you have not registered, I think Tiani will help register, but if you've never

4545
07:54:07,750 --> 07:54:12,030
been, it's a really great opportunity, and that is all happening.

4546
07:54:13,570 --> 07:54:14,790
Thank you so much, Lindsay.

4547
07:54:16,210 --> 07:54:18,550
All right, then we have the clerks report, Jennifer.

4548
07:54:19,750 --> 07:54:23,650
So not that you need reminding Dean, but that's my job.

4549
07:54:23,650 --> 07:54:26,790
Tomorrow at 6 p.m.

4550
07:54:27,730 --> 07:54:30,890
Solish City, Town Hall, Budget, Public Hearing.

4551
07:54:32,390 --> 07:54:35,890
So far, we don't have any ones lined up for that public hearing.

4552
07:54:37,570 --> 07:54:42,690
Then on Thursday and Friday, we'll be at the Accenter,

4553
07:54:42,810 --> 07:54:47,250
at Nonningham for the Budget Berksessions.

4554
07:54:48,790 --> 07:54:52,850
Then a couple of events I wanted to just note for you

4555
07:54:52,850 --> 07:54:57,090
on Sunday, both of these are Memorial Day events

4556
07:54:57,090 --> 07:55:01,550
with the two different American Legion organizations

4557
07:55:01,550 --> 07:55:02,830
here in Chaudum County.

4558
07:55:03,670 --> 07:55:08,850
On Sunday is the Pittsburgh event at 12 p.m.

4559
07:55:08,850 --> 07:55:11,910
in the pop-up park in downtown Pittsburgh.

4560
07:55:12,770 --> 07:55:20,510
And then on Monday at 10 30 AM is the American Legion

4561
07:55:20,510 --> 07:55:27,650
event in Seller City, and it is at Bright Park at the Veterans Memorial there.

4562
07:55:29,680 --> 07:55:30,000
Awesome.

4563
07:55:30,280 --> 07:55:34,500
Thank you, Jennifer, and next we have the manager's report, Brian Thompson.

4564
07:55:37,010 --> 07:55:37,570
Thank you.

4565
07:55:38,170 --> 07:55:42,130
Aside from looking forward to later this week, we'll get together and discuss further

4566
07:55:42,130 --> 07:55:42,690
at the budget.

4567
07:55:43,250 --> 07:55:50,770
Again, any kind of questions or items you want to draw attention to in advance, it's up

4568
07:55:50,770 --> 07:55:53,050
all that'll be great, but we'll see there.

4569
07:55:53,050 --> 07:55:54,790
That's all that. Thank you, Chair.

4570
07:55:57,420 --> 07:56:00,220
Thank you. All right. Next up is future agenda discussion.

4571
07:56:00,400 --> 07:56:04,040
The commissioner may ask to add a matter to a future agenda.

4572
07:56:04,200 --> 07:56:06,860
The county manager will add that matter to a future agenda.

4573
07:56:07,260 --> 07:56:10,280
If two commissioners support adding the matter to a future agenda,

4574
07:56:10,620 --> 07:56:13,990
the county manager has the discretion to determine which future meeting

4575
07:56:14,460 --> 07:56:17,080
agenda the matter will be added to.

4576
07:56:18,040 --> 07:56:21,980
And does anyone have anything they would like to add to a future agenda?

4577
07:56:21,980 --> 07:56:28,120
Hi, I do. I'm pretty sure some work has been done around the whole

4578
07:56:28,120 --> 07:56:37,180
Embrige guest line being proposed and pondered on. Is this something we could potentially get some information on?

4579
07:56:38,300 --> 07:56:43,720
Maybe to get out there, especially for the public, to be aware about, at least that we're doing something.

4580
07:56:44,300 --> 07:56:49,600
And I know staff has done a little preliminary work on this, but just to request.

4581
07:56:49,600 --> 07:56:55,820
And on their same line, given that it was the same individual that brought it up to our attention.

4582
07:56:57,800 --> 07:57:20,800
But could we also get a conversation on septic and the impacts of these spray fields pertaining to the PFAS and to soil and potentially finding its way into

4583
07:57:20,800 --> 07:57:23,580
Wells, I think that was an earlier.

4584
07:57:24,440 --> 07:57:30,920
It was. That was both John Alderman. The first one was, and I think we had some maps from him,

4585
07:57:31,200 --> 07:57:37,060
the Chattam County had the vast majority of spray from outside areas coming into our county of

4586
07:57:37,060 --> 07:57:41,060
all the other counties in the state. It was pretty horrific. So, support both of those.

4587
07:57:41,300 --> 07:57:41,540
Thank you.

4588
07:57:41,540 --> 07:57:44,720
array and solid applied.

4589
07:57:44,720 --> 07:57:45,240
Yes, download.

4590
07:57:45,760 --> 07:57:46,220
Yeah, even.

4591
07:57:46,560 --> 07:57:49,920
So there were some serious things there.

4592
07:57:50,280 --> 07:57:52,320
Brian, did those two work?

4593
07:57:53,500 --> 07:57:55,220
They do on the image.

4594
07:57:56,060 --> 07:57:58,620
We continue to pull information together on that.

4595
07:57:58,740 --> 07:58:02,500
And we will send you, and as we get good information,

4596
07:58:02,920 --> 07:58:06,720
we'll send that on to you.

4597
07:58:06,720 --> 07:58:15,100
And so far as an agenda item, we get enough for a presentation that tends to make sense,

4598
07:58:16,320 --> 07:58:18,960
then we can kind of fill out what it is.

4599
07:58:19,380 --> 07:58:22,940
Maybe what a role has county government.

4600
07:58:23,580 --> 07:58:28,000
I think that would be the most important element to print the public hand.

4601
07:58:28,080 --> 07:58:29,480
That's a good clarification.

4602
07:58:34,040 --> 07:58:38,920
Yes, that those very accomplishable.

4603
07:58:39,900 --> 07:58:47,400
John Alderman brought up a distinction in that as well with regards to the type of pipeline.

4604
07:58:47,920 --> 07:58:50,340
This is serving right now, right?

4605
07:58:50,500 --> 07:58:54,480
One is serving the people and the other one is serving this industry.

4606
07:58:54,480 --> 07:59:00,360
you since I was trying to look at where, and I think we said at the time that would be a good

4607
07:59:00,360 --> 07:59:06,720
question for Jason, who wasn't here yet. So, it might be good. I think he had some handouts

4608
07:59:06,720 --> 07:59:09,340
to send that on to him.

4609
07:59:11,440 --> 07:59:12,860
Can you do any other sort of thing?

4610
07:59:12,860 --> 07:59:18,800
In any one of the land application, I'll check back with our folks and see where we have

4611
07:59:18,800 --> 07:59:25,880
on that already and put something together and make it available to you. That may

4612
07:59:25,880 --> 07:59:30,580
satisfied the interest it may be enough to satisfy your interest but you might see that

4613
07:59:30,580 --> 07:59:38,620
what is provided to you is worth a public facing conversation so that we'll be

4614
07:59:38,620 --> 07:59:41,660
putting that together with that in mind. I think kind of goes on the same

4615
07:59:41,660 --> 07:59:47,320
lines as to what can we do that. Again very good clarification. Thank you for

4616
07:59:47,320 --> 07:59:49,060
Thank

4617
07:59:51,140 --> 07:59:51,600
you.

4618
07:59:52,840 --> 07:59:53,660
Anything else?

4619
07:59:56,810 --> 07:59:57,130
All right.

4620
07:59:57,250 --> 07:59:59,830
Next up are Commissioner Report.

4621
08:00:04,960 --> 08:00:31,820
Just one. Just one. And, you know, something that someone said tonight sort of maybe think about it too that one of the commenters this evening mentioned, the number of students and her kids class and I thought, you know, it's difficult when the public doesn't understand that we don't have control over these things. And last Friday I was part of a group that came together by invitation to talk up to the public.

4622
08:00:31,820 --> 08:00:40,340
about education is everyone's business and I'm going to work with them to come back to the

4623
08:00:40,340 --> 08:00:44,780
county and talk with more people about the way North Carolina is funding public education.

4624
08:00:45,300 --> 08:00:50,660
How there is a place for us to be having a broader conversation across the community and across

4625
08:00:50,660 --> 08:00:58,660
multiple communities about the way North Carolina has consistently failed in its funding of public

4626
08:00:58,660 --> 08:00:59,260
education,

4627
08:01:01,440 --> 08:01:05,600
and some of the data points that they brought would really matter to business

4628
08:01:05,600 --> 08:01:12,440
partners, to industry, to community colleges, to the broader community, the college system,

4629
08:01:13,120 --> 08:01:18,560
universities, UNC was there, our EDC, the Chamber, you know, there were a number of local

4630
08:01:18,560 --> 08:01:26,400
participants in that space, but it's important that the conversation not keep falling on the

4631
08:01:26,400 --> 08:01:34,520
of commissioners and of, you know, the education, the boards of education and the superintendents

4632
08:01:34,520 --> 08:01:39,540
to be carrying this message as though it is ours. It is really a message that should resonate

4633
08:01:39,540 --> 08:01:49,160
across multiple industries and partners and members of our community that there should be a lot

4634
08:01:49,160 --> 08:01:56,260
more outrage about the way North Carolina has defunded public education. We are behind the poorest

4635
08:01:56,260 --> 08:02:02,880
states in the nation in terms of our funding, and in terms of our effort, comparing our state

4636
08:02:02,880 --> 08:02:07,380
budget to the amount of money that we are spending on education, we are woefully behind

4637
08:02:07,380 --> 08:02:08,460
in 50th place.

4638
08:02:08,940 --> 08:02:10,320
So, we'll also say,

4639
08:02:12,460 --> 08:02:17,600
John County Public Schools, the UNC, web squared,

4640
08:02:21,110 --> 08:02:23,830
others, but there

4641
08:02:23,830 --> 08:02:31,290
the world? Well, and the goal of this group, this public school form, is to empower others

4642
08:02:31,290 --> 08:02:39,770
to have these business men who are viewed in a different light than some of us, presenting

4643
08:02:39,770 --> 08:02:44,510
the case for going to the legislature and fighting for better funding of public schools

4644
08:02:44,510 --> 08:02:48,870
because whatever our state doesn't do in our federal government doesn't do falls on us,

4645
08:02:48,870 --> 08:02:54,390
as county commissioners and boards of edge local boards of education and our hands are very much tied.

4646
08:02:55,190 --> 08:03:16,710
So I'm going my my charge is to go into the community and and bring together more people that they can talk to and bring some of our, you know, our economic development partners, not just our EDC, but the investors, the channel county investors, the people who have an air at the general assembly and don't, you know, don't look like me quite frankly.

4647
08:03:17,330 --> 08:03:22,590
and art, you know, teachers and moms and people who aren't going to carry a lot of

4648
08:03:22,590 --> 08:03:27,470
heft with some members of our general assembly. So I take that charge very serious. I do

4649
08:03:27,470 --> 08:03:34,010
think it matters. Some people who you can hear from is a real thing. And there are some people

4650
08:03:34,010 --> 08:03:38,990
in our community who, if they knew, if they saw the data, if they understood exactly where

4651
08:03:38,990 --> 08:03:44,910
we're heading, in terms of our funding of public education, they would be as, as, and I know a

4652
08:03:45,830 --> 08:03:50,050
coming from school board and now being a county commissioner and I was still

4653
08:03:50,050 --> 08:03:56,290
stunned at the data. So that was I think a very sobering conversation but when I

4654
08:03:56,290 --> 08:04:00,730
will I will be bringing back to the community. I'd be very interested in seeing that

4655
08:04:00,730 --> 08:04:04,310
when Dr. Jackson presented to the group with leadership triangle that I did last

4656
08:04:04,310 --> 08:04:09,310
fall. The people were from across the sector all over the triangle and they were

4657
08:04:09,310 --> 08:04:12,730
shocked. Yeah. So I'd love to disembark about that. Thank you.

4658
08:04:12,730 --> 08:04:15,030
Thank you.

4659
08:04:15,030 --> 08:04:15,190
Thank you.

4660
08:04:15,190 --> 08:04:15,730
Can they show you a good response?

4661
08:04:16,730 --> 08:04:23,550
This past Wednesday, I attended the regional triangle research triangle regional partnership,

4662
08:04:23,810 --> 08:04:28,610
which is kind of against the big economic development, kind of umbrella and the region.

4663
08:04:30,450 --> 08:04:36,330
They presented pretty much the state of the region, pertaining to economic development.

4664
08:04:36,710 --> 08:04:43,990
The big things that they were emphasizing was the need for innovation, especially with

4665
08:04:43,990 --> 08:04:49,790
technology, especially when it relates to defense, I don't know if you remember, but they

4666
08:04:49,790 --> 08:04:58,190
always bring the Army or Secretary General in the Army, they've done it in the past couple

4667
08:04:58,190 --> 08:04:58,910
years have been.

4668
08:04:59,450 --> 08:05:01,730
So kind of revolves around that environment.

4669
08:05:02,990 --> 08:05:09,370
But going back to changing topics to education, my youngest sibling graduated from CCC

4670
08:05:09,370 --> 08:05:18,410
was also a participant of the chat and promise which goes to show the effects and the impacts

4671
08:05:18,410 --> 08:05:25,470
of our work and our investments for the improvement or the better opportunities for the general public.

4672
08:05:25,730 --> 08:05:31,930
So thank you, but also thank you to community for those investments and willingness to invest in education.

4673
08:05:33,130 --> 08:05:38,670
I was supposed to have a Board of Health meeting today, but it didn't make it up here.

4674
08:05:39,450 --> 08:05:41,450
But that's all I have.

4675
08:05:42,960 --> 08:05:44,060
Thank you.

4676
08:05:44,080 --> 08:05:45,360
Can we check out?

4677
08:05:48,710 --> 08:05:56,150
Well, I was able to attend the ribbon cutting for the George Polling Nature Trail at

4678
08:05:56,510 --> 08:06:01,710
and I always get confused with this park, North East Park, because we also have a one that

4679
08:06:01,710 --> 08:06:03,990
has a West in it.

4680
08:06:04,750 --> 08:06:11,630
And there was a great, so that however assembly made that possible by their donation of $50,000 to the

4681
08:06:11,630 --> 08:06:19,150
in honor of George Pauli who was an advocate for nature and our waterways and very

4682
08:06:19,150 --> 08:06:23,210
involved in the harvest. So there was a great group of people there and we

4683
08:06:23,210 --> 08:06:30,110
got to walk the trail. And also I didn't mention last time that I also was

4684
08:06:30,110 --> 08:06:36,490
really enjoyed the groundbreaking at Parker Ridge and it was an honor to meet the

4685
08:06:36,490 --> 08:06:40,710
remaining family members who were a part of the 10 siblings that donated that

4686
08:06:40,710 --> 08:06:47,370
the county and I was just really struck when I spoke with them, just congratulating them

4687
08:06:47,370 --> 08:06:53,750
as siblings to come together to donate that to the county and that I was told it was never

4688
08:06:53,750 --> 08:06:58,250
even a question. They never even had a discussion. They all just immediately wanted that.

4689
08:06:58,710 --> 08:07:05,690
So that was even more incredible to learn at that celebration. And I

4690
08:07:08,920 --> 08:07:11,040
think that is it from

4691
08:07:11,040 --> 08:07:18,740
I did want to thank staff and everyone that gave me my condolence card that mineral out to

4692
08:07:18,740 --> 08:07:22,840
hear from everyone about my family matters.

4693
08:07:22,960 --> 08:07:24,380
I've been going through with my dad passing.

4694
08:07:25,060 --> 08:07:25,840
Thank you.

4695
08:07:28,250 --> 08:07:29,050
Thank you, Commissioner.

4696
08:07:29,070 --> 08:07:29,410
I'm sorry.

4697
08:07:30,930 --> 08:07:31,850
Thank you.

4698
08:07:32,370 --> 08:07:34,590
This is what we've my last regular meeting.

4699
08:07:34,910 --> 08:07:40,210
Our family closes on a new home and a weight county in the coming weeks.

4700
08:07:40,210 --> 08:07:44,530
and I don't want to give any impression that I am not living in Chattam County.

4701
08:07:44,630 --> 08:07:52,230
You know, once we close on that property and so I will plan to design at the, with the

4702
08:07:52,230 --> 08:07:56,990
adjourment of our work, our budget work session whenever that concludes.

4703
08:07:57,190 --> 08:08:01,970
So we start on Thursday and when that meeting adjourns, that will be the effective time

4704
08:08:01,970 --> 08:08:10,190
of my resignation, my goal once we set the closing date has been to make sure that the

4705
08:08:10,190 --> 08:08:17,410
who have been part of it for this period, but I won't be able to be there for when we vote on it.

4706
08:08:17,690 --> 08:08:21,630
The only other thing I want to raise is kind of the extraordinary set of things that happened earlier

4707
08:08:21,630 --> 08:08:26,810
this afternoon. I took some time in between the two sessions to speak with our council

4708
08:08:26,810 --> 08:08:33,530
about the set of issues there. Legal, procedural, the expectations that we all have of each other,

4709
08:08:34,790 --> 08:08:40,150
and a couple of things that I'll comment on before inviting Emily to offer anything that she

4710
08:08:40,150 --> 08:08:46,110
want and certainly no obligation to do that. But I think we put her in an extraordinarily poor

4711
08:08:46,110 --> 08:08:51,630
and uncomfortable position. We have an agreement among ourselves and with all the senior staff

4712
08:08:51,630 --> 08:08:58,710
members to have no surprises about things to give the attorney in particular ample opportunity

4713
08:08:58,710 --> 08:09:04,830
to know what legal issues or significant things might be coming up. I took the opportunity to do that

4714
08:09:04,830 --> 08:09:33,950
personally with her on Thursday and made clear that as I have promised to all of you since back in January, any conversation I have with the attorney, I'm not going to seek any protected privilege on and it is fully shareable to all of you because I think we ought to be able to work our way into these kinds of conversations about what the law is, how it operates, how it guides us if it doesn't require us to do things and what the interplay is with our rules of procedure and with our ethics code.

4715
08:09:33,950 --> 08:09:39,970
I think we failed in a number of significant ways today that, you know, up until, you know,

4716
08:09:39,990 --> 08:09:43,370
the last couple of weeks I would have said that we were on an improvement path.

4717
08:09:43,890 --> 08:09:46,370
And I don't know that I see that anymore, unfortunately.

4718
08:09:47,970 --> 08:09:53,590
So I'm leaving with a bit of a sour taste on my mouth for the way that things have gone here.

4719
08:09:54,570 --> 08:10:00,890
I take away from the conversation with Emily and I took the opportunity to look at our expectations of the county attorney.

4720
08:10:00,890 --> 08:10:05,290
One is to provide unbiased legal advice and, unfortunately, during that conversation earlier

4721
08:10:05,290 --> 08:10:11,030
today, there was such hot and heavy commentary back and forth requests of various legal

4722
08:10:11,030 --> 08:10:15,030
things from the chair and from me that Michael Leeuve questions didn't get answered, only

4723
08:10:15,030 --> 08:10:20,310
the chair's got answered. So that's not unbiased legal advice. That's only creating the opportunity

4724
08:10:20,310 --> 08:10:26,110
for some legal questions to be presented and addressed so that we can make good joint decisions.

4725
08:10:26,110 --> 08:10:33,810
So, we miss an opportunity to succeed there until at her provide perspectives from multiple different vantage points.

4726
08:10:34,450 --> 08:10:53,630
One is to, on the be prepared perspective, when a proposal that is as wild and out of the blue as a suggestion to a rest and remove a sitting elected official from a discussion for raising ethics and procedural issues is absolutely appalling to me.

4727
08:10:53,630 --> 08:10:58,630
I took the opportunity to ask her what she knew of that coming into the meeting.

4728
08:10:58,870 --> 08:11:03,890
The opportunity under law, the opportunity under procedures, and the recommendations by the school of government, etc.

4729
08:11:04,950 --> 08:11:09,010
And I won't put words in anybody's mouth, but my understanding is that that was a first heard scenario.

4730
08:11:09,290 --> 08:11:11,490
There was absolutely no preparation for that.

4731
08:11:11,490 --> 08:11:13,750
That is an extraordinary thing in and of itself.

4732
08:11:13,950 --> 08:11:17,330
And it should not happen in an attorney client relationship from my perspective.

4733
08:11:17,990 --> 08:11:20,070
And so I think we let her down on that.

4734
08:11:20,070 --> 08:11:26,570
If I's on legal issues, even if we don't ask, this is one that we've discussed before

4735
08:11:26,570 --> 08:11:29,970
with previous counsel, we've discussed them on ourselves in public sessions.

4736
08:11:30,550 --> 08:11:34,070
There are certain things that can only be discussed in public session.

4737
08:11:34,850 --> 08:11:37,850
It cannot be discussed in close session.

4738
08:11:38,970 --> 08:11:44,710
And one of those topics was something that I, they came into conversation after Chair Robertson

4739
08:11:44,710 --> 08:11:45,650
mentioned it today.

4740
08:11:46,530 --> 08:11:52,990
We have to be able to rely on the attorney in attorney to help us find a way to understand whether

4741
08:11:52,990 --> 08:11:58,930
losses anything at all on the topic and whether it requires us to do certain things or whether it

4742
08:11:58,930 --> 08:12:02,630
guides us in certain ways and then to be able to take questions back and forth from everybody.

4743
08:12:03,930 --> 08:12:09,790
And we didn't give her the opportunity in the space from my perspective to step neutrally as

4744
08:12:09,790 --> 08:12:17,210
has an informed and qualified attorney to come into that space and serve all of us equally.

4745
08:12:18,290 --> 08:12:24,350
We need to be able to do that so that attorney can help, for example, say, hey, this is a challenge.

4746
08:12:24,550 --> 08:12:28,390
I can tell why don't we take a recess and figure out where we are, where we're going with it,

4747
08:12:28,450 --> 08:12:29,670
clarify where things are.

4748
08:12:30,190 --> 08:12:34,790
Instead of a rush to, I don't like what's happening here, and I'm going to try to arrest the

4749
08:12:34,790 --> 08:12:35,610
guy who I don't like.

4750
08:12:35,610 --> 08:12:42,310
So, I am deeply disappointed that this board has missed every opportunity over three and a

4751
08:12:42,310 --> 08:12:47,950
half years to continue to try to be a more liberal democratic legislative body.

4752
08:12:49,370 --> 08:12:54,250
We rightly criticize legislative bodies that do the very same things that have happened

4753
08:12:54,250 --> 08:12:59,330
here over the last couple of years, and if we liberal Democrats can't do it better than

4754
08:12:59,330 --> 08:13:01,410
I have deep concerns for liberal democracy.

4755
08:13:03,350 --> 08:13:07,490
If there's anything that you would like to raise or comment on or ask me about, I'm happy

4756
08:13:07,490 --> 08:13:12,510
to make that part of my contribution during Commissioner Reports, but I have no expectation

4757
08:13:12,510 --> 08:13:13,310
of that.

4758
08:13:14,710 --> 08:13:17,430
No, I don't think there's anything I need to add to the conversation.

4759
08:13:19,650 --> 08:13:20,410
Thank you.

4760
08:13:21,780 --> 08:13:23,160
Thank you, Commissioner Delaney.

4761
08:13:24,200 --> 08:13:25,560
A couple of updates tonight.

4762
08:13:26,140 --> 08:13:29,280
I did attend the Farmland Preservation State Legislative Event.

4763
08:13:29,280 --> 08:13:32,180
And that was really fabulous.

4764
08:13:33,260 --> 08:13:36,620
It was the first time that I've been with Lindsey

4765
08:13:39,020 --> 08:13:43,320
to Raleigh, to pop around our state legislature building.

4766
08:13:44,080 --> 08:13:48,960
And it was really a big honor to be there for farmland preservation.

4767
08:13:49,400 --> 08:13:53,660
So we went to a big meeting with a lot of folks across the state across the state.

4768
08:13:53,680 --> 08:13:54,880
I mean, they were from everywhere.

4769
08:13:54,880 --> 08:14:00,780
and met and had good conversations with folks.

4770
08:14:00,920 --> 08:14:03,780
They had a nice spread of coffee and Danish and Jews.

4771
08:14:03,920 --> 08:14:05,660
And everything put out for us that day.

4772
08:14:06,000 --> 08:14:09,640
And then we all took our separate modes of transportation

4773
08:14:09,640 --> 08:14:12,220
to get down to the state legislature building.

4774
08:14:12,680 --> 08:14:15,140
And it was a great day socializing with everybody.

4775
08:14:15,360 --> 08:14:18,240
We did get into leader Reeves office.

4776
08:14:18,460 --> 08:14:22,800
And he was not in, but we left some notes and Andrew spoke.

4777
08:14:22,800 --> 08:14:24,340
And it was a good day.

4778
08:14:24,820 --> 08:14:27,440
And unfortunately, we tried to meet up with Natalie Murdoch,

4779
08:14:27,680 --> 08:14:30,220
but she was going to try and fit a sentence.

4780
08:14:30,360 --> 08:14:32,540
She was dashing between one event and another,

4781
08:14:32,660 --> 08:14:33,620
so we waited.

4782
08:14:33,720 --> 08:14:35,860
But it was a really great collegial moment

4783
08:14:35,860 --> 08:14:42,360
and everybody enjoyed just being there, ready to do really

4784
08:14:42,360 --> 08:14:42,960
good work.

4785
08:14:43,000 --> 08:14:46,000
So I look forward to going later in June, again,

4786
08:14:46,140 --> 08:14:48,120
to try and work with y'all.

4787
08:14:48,280 --> 08:14:50,520
I hope to accommodate some of those things.

4788
08:14:51,800 --> 08:14:54,680
I did attend a community event discussing the proposed

4789
08:14:54,680 --> 08:14:58,460
and bridge gas pipeline, and I was really glad I was there

4790
08:14:58,460 --> 08:14:59,960
because Emily sat.

4791
08:15:00,140 --> 08:15:30,120
And with Hall River had an attorney there who was telling them everybody all of these different things and said y'all should go to your county commissioners and tell them that you want to, you know, have this, you know, whatever stopped and what you want them to do about it. And so I stood up and I said, what can we do about it? And his response was, well, you'll have to talk to your county attorney about that. I can't advise you. Okay, then. Thank you so much. That was helpful. And I also attended the George Pauline-Natured Trail Ribbon Cutting.

4792
08:15:30,140 --> 08:15:36,600
and hike the trail with the group of folks and that felt really good for somebody that did

4793
08:15:36,600 --> 08:15:45,360
great things for Haw River and the county. I attended the NC Association of Educators,

4794
08:15:45,840 --> 08:15:51,620
May 1st Rally was really proud to be there with so many of the teachers in our area

4795
08:15:54,100 --> 08:15:59,380
and I also have in my bullets a reminder for our public hearing tomorrow at 6pm but that's

4796
08:15:59,380 --> 08:16:04,680
been done several times, so that's all I have, and do I have a motion to adjourn?

4797
08:16:04,680 --> 08:16:05,600
It's a little tricky.

4798
08:16:06,220 --> 08:16:07,120
Awesome, all in favor?

4799
08:16:07,640 --> 08:16:07,700
All right.

4800
08:16:07,780 --> 08:16:07,920
All right.