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Good evening. This is the Burrow Chatton Building Board of Adjustment Regulatory Meeting for Wednesday, September 23, 20, 20, 20, 20, 26, and times, approximately 7, 35, pursuant to the requirements of the Open Public Meetings Act 10, colon four, day of six, adequate notice of this meeting has been provided and published in the Chatton Courier on February 5, 20, 20, 26, and posted on the Municipal Bill of Temporary, on the main floor of the Municipal Building and filed with the Commission Secretary

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here in Berklerk on January 6th, 2026.

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Mr. Harrenscher, can you take the roll call for this?

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Mr. Cifelli?

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I am present.

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Mr. Hoffman is not here yet.

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Mr. Hanger's here, Mr. Cice?

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Here.

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Mr. Triller is not here.

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Mr. Tonock, here.

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Mr. Barrett, here.

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This is Long is not here.

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Mr. Bolio?

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Mr. Bolio?

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Mrs. Leia?

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Lynn?

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Here.

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We have Mr. Deloitte.

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And we have Mr. Hoppins here.

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Mr. Hoppins here.

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I'm going to have to mention this.

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Mr. Bolio is here as well.

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That was mentioning that.

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Okay.

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So first order of business is about to be meeting minutes.

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first one is ZB 2026 day 18, that is for the meeting minutes of August 18, 2026. Special

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meetings each board members was provided a draft of those meeting minutes. They

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remember have any changes or amendments posed for the meeting minutes. There may

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no suggested changes or amendments. I will make a motion to approve the meeting

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minutes as drafted as their second.

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Second.

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Thank you Mr. Harren.

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Draw your favor.

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My.

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My eyes have at the need for a doctor.

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Second is resolution 22, 2026-19.

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This is to approve the meeting minutes for the August 26th regular meeting.

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Each of the board members receive the draft of those meeting minutes.

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Does any member have any suggested changes or amendments?

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There being no suggested changes or amendments, I will make a motion to approve the meeting

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minutes as drafted is there a second thank you mr. Harajar all in favor yeah

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all right guys have it the minutes are adopted next we have two resolutions for

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consideration first one is application CB 26 day zero zero seven Patrick

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Reagan 43 North Summit Avenue each of the members to see the draft of that

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resolutions and we're having to suggest that the changes are events they're being

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I suggest that changes are amendments. Is there a motion to approve the resolution as

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trail? Thank you, Mr. Huffman, is there a second?

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A second. Thank you, Mr. Herringer, is Herringer going to take the role call please?

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Mr. Sir Felly.

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Aye.

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Mr. Huffman.

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Yes.

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Mr. Andrewsie, yes.

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Mr. Tannock.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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These are sucks.

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Yes.

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Sorry.

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Resolution has drafted.

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Has passed.

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Next is resolution for application number CP2660111.

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Correct.

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County.

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25 North Hillside Avenue.

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Each of the members received a draft of that resolution is in the number of suggested changes

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or amendments.

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Yes.

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Good being my suggestion, changes are amendments, is there a motion to improve the resolution

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is drafted.

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I remember the motion.

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Thank you, Mr. Harynger.

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Is there a second?

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I'll second thank you, Mr. Carna.

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Mr. Harynger, can you take the roll, please?

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Mr. Sir Felig?

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Yes.

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Mr. Hoffman?

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Yes.

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Mr. Harynger was a yes.

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Mr. Tomock?

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Mr. Barrett?

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Oh, Mr. Barrett?

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Yes.

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If it's success?

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Yes.

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Very well.

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Resolution has passed.

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Next we have returning a new application.

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So I'm just going to run through this real quick.

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And then we'll call this the first applicant.

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First on the agenda tonight is application CB258011.

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That's Minnesink Club, Inc.

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One Princeton Street.

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Did we, did we get, did we get, did we get, did we get, did we get,

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did we get, did we get,

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Correct, sorry, you know, carried out over 20 without further notice. Next is application, CB 26

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there, 0, 0, 8, jab, construction, 205, both side avenue, the applicant is here, is that

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correct? And ready? Yes, very well. Next is application, CB 26 there, 0, 0, 6, gen and

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richer white, is the applicant here, very well, as a note I have to refuse myself from that

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application as I am within the 200-foot zone.

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Next is application CB26-D012,

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Jamie and Sean Montgomery is the applicant here, okay.

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After that is application CB26-D005,

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Kavish Shukla, and Utika Joshi, are you here?

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Okay, very good, thank you.

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All right, so I'll say right now that we do take a break

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around nine o'clock, let everybody sort of stretch their feet

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a little bit, we take no new applications after 10pm, no new witnesses after 10.30pm with

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a goal to adjourn by 11pm. Okay, that's how it generally goes. So first we're going to

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do is call up application zb26.0808.jag construction 205. I will say this to the folks who are down

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online on on the agenda tonight. Typically we'll get through to maybe three

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applications. Sometimes you never know because the application in front of you

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may be defective in some way that's discovered in the first five minutes and

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they're out the door and you would be thinking you're not going to be reached and

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you're going to get reached. I generally tell people if you're here by nine o'clock

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you'll have some sense of what we're going to be able to achieve by eleven o'clock

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right so I would suggest that I don't like to waste anybody's time but I think

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that's probably the most prudent approach. Canals, your panelists. Thank you Mr.

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board members, Neil Covey-Ello, a member of the Saver LLC representing the applicant

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and tonight's application. That's right, I forgot. Yeah thanks. Again, I apologize folks

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I forgot to press the button.

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It's okay.

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Nino Kobiello representing the applicants in tonight's application.

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The application proposed the raising of the existing home situated to all five hillside

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avenue and replaced with new construction of two and a half-store single-family residence

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with a patio and front portico.

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The property is located, obviously, in the borough of Chatham and it's located on a corner

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block. Why do I indicate that it's important a lot? The applicant has designated Hillside Avenue

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as the principal frontage for the purpose of establishing the bulk requirements. The proposals

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are new construction is compatible with the character of the surrounding residential neighborhood

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and provides for today's family needs as many requests in Chatham. The subject property is situated

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when the R2 zone district and the lot area is non-conforming where 9300 square feet is required

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and the existing property contains 7,667 square feet.

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While the proposed improvements require certain variance relief, we respectfully submit

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that the application represents a reasonable and appropriate development of this residential lot,

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which ultimately will enhance the neighborhood.

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Speaking of C variances, I'd point to your attention

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to zoning officers' letter of August 4th, 2026,

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which sets forth the variances that we are seeking.

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We're going to need a majority vote from the board

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on these variances.

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The first is a side yard setback for the interior.

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We're 12 feet is required.

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7.2 feet is existing non-conforming and the applicant proposes 10 feet.

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The front yard setback on Hillside Avenue where 34.85 feet is required 30.4 feet is existing

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and non-conforming and what is proposed is 31 feet.

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The 3rd is a front yard setback on Willow Street.

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It's labeled as the exterior yard setback on the zoning officer's letter, where 30 feet

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required, 19.1 foot is existing, not performing and 14 feet is proposed.

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The next one is the rear yard setback, where 52.5 feet is required, 62.7 feet is existing,

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14 and 46.3 feet as we propose.

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And finally, the maximum building coverage where 1380 square feet is permitted. 1128 square feet is existing, and 1,627 square feet is proposed. The applicant is also seeking the following V variants for relief that will require a minimum of five votes for passage. It's the floor area ratio where 2760 square feet is allowed and the applicant is proposed.

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3,063 square feet. We're also proposing a design exception for the 18-foot

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driveway. The ordinance in Chatham prohibits driveways in excess of 16 feet at

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the street line, and that's laid out in Mr. Brightley's letter. What you should

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have as part of this application are submissions that were on your website and it includes the application

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supporting materials and attachments. A variance plan consisting of one sheet prepared by ABC

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surveys, LLC, it's dated July 13th, 2026. There's a topographical survey prepared also by ABC surveys,

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dated March 19th, 2026. There was also on your website a lot grading plan that was prepared

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by ABC surveys. And Mr. Clark, who is my engineer, can explain it in greater detail if necessary,

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but after speaking with the borough engineer, it was asked that the lot grading plan have

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incorporated there in additional, like the TAC, the key map, and such.

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So that locked grading plan, which is on your website, was superseded by the variance plan of July 13th.

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Sorry to labor over this, but I want to make sure the record is adequate.

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You also have course finance data July 17th from Mr. Clark in response to the completeness review

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and technical review course finance data July 1st.

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You also have architectural plans consisting of four sheets that were prepared by AHM Associates

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Architect, I apologize, dated April 28th, 2026, and you'll finally have correspondence

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dated July 31st, 2026 from AHM architects.

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What we ever see from the town professionals are the following.

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The August 4th letter from the Burrill Zoni official,

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of course, on its date, it's September 11, 2026 from the town planner, KMA.

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And finally, of course, on its date, July 22, from Boswell, Engineering,

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and Kameleague, Mr. Rob Wright,

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so that the record is complete.

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Do we have anything else out there that the applicant is unaware of?

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I'm assuming that we have a complete review.

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This evening folks it's a straightforward application which will be presented by Douglas Miller.

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He's a licensed New Jersey architect from AHM Architects.

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He has appeared before the Land Use Board in Chatham.

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Andrew Clark, who is a licensed New Jersey engineer from ABC Surveys.

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I think he has a bronze chair just for him in the audience.

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Paul Ricky, our license planner, from Ricky Plan.

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They will be submitted in that order.

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I also have here the applicant Jack Alpert.

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I do not believe I'm going to ask him any questions,

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but he will be available.

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Should you have some concerned questions?

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That brief introduction, I'd like to have my first witness,

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Mr. Douglas Miller.

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Please raise your right hand.

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You swear our front of testimony will give to this board.

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Is it all true?

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I do.

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Please state your name, give to the business manager.

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Yes, Douglas Miller from AHM Architects.

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Located at 281 Main Street, Milburn, New Jersey.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Dwyer.

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Mr. Miller, for the benefit of the board.

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Do you please provide your educational and professional

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for the rest of the day?

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Yes, I've been a degree of bachelor's of architecture.

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A degree from New Jersey Institute of Technology on the License Architect since 2001. I've made numerous

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testimony to this board as well as boards in this round. Are there any objections to witness?

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The witness is so qualified. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, thank you. Mr. Miller, did you prepare the

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architectural plans that were dated April 28 when submitted on the behalf of the applicant?

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Yes, we do have a subsequent submission from July 7, based on the engineers of Review Life that was submitted to the board as well.

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Very good. And you also were the author of the correspondence to the very first, I believe, correct?

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Correct.

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Would you then provide, in your professional opinion, the condition of the existing home situated at the property for the benefit of the board, please?

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Yes. The house is located on the corner of Hillside and Willow. The house is in extreme

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disrepair. The house was built in the early 1950s. It's a Cape Cod style. The family

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that have lived there, they have lived there for a very, very long time. And as so often as

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the case, I let the house just kind of decay around them. So at that point it was put on the

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market and my client, Mr. Albert, purchased it.

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Okay.

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Then why don't we walk the board

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through your architectural drawings?

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Yes.

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Now, with the state of the home,

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and the plus of being a Cape Cod,

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its structure was really inadequate,

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had a low basement,

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and really didn't meet the needs of a modern family.

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So, it didn't really make sense to renovate the home.

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Then we looked at the zoning requirements,

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and it being a corner lot,

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not like so many other size, it being a corner, the placement, the existing placement of

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the house, as well as all the sector requirements.

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Expanding this house and altering it was going to require a variance relief no matter what

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we did, and some of those metrics would have been potentially greater than what we were proposing

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here today.

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So, obviously the best path forward was to raise this structure and to propose a new site-specific

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dwelling that had a really nice curved appeal.

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Well, I really engaged the corner, that's something that looked attractive from not only

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hillside, but also from Willow.

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And it's been proposed to be built on the same footprint that exists now?

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A similar footprint, yes.

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Similar, but different, what would that look like?

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Well, similar in that it's located in the general vicinity of the existing foundation.

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The engineer can go through more of the details of how the numbers deviate from where they

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are now.

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But it's a very small lot. There's not a lot of flexibility of where we can move this house.

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Same size footprint.

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No, it's a greater footprint.

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Do you have a comparison of what you used to have and what you...

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Yes, the engineer, Andrew Clark will have a breakdown and he can go over all the numbers specifically, talking about what the current data is,

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of what the existing non-conforming deviations are as well as what we're proposing.

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So the part of the house right now is the willow?

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Correct, yes.

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We're continuing with the way that the house is currently situated, the garage from the

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front door faced willow, although the address is hillside.

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So we're basically continuing where we are.

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There's an existing attach garage and our garage is going to be proposed in the same general

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vicinity, front door along the willow street side, and you know, again, it'll be in that same

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general alignment of the block and the lock.

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And where are you entering the rear yard at the end of the day?

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Mr. Zeiss.

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Thank you.

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The rear yard distances are from where you zone.

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It's opposite Hillside.

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Since Hillside is the designated front of the house,

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so it's measured opposite that.

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If we had zoneed the other way, the rear yard

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would have been in front of the front yard,

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and the front yard would have been behind the rear yard,

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so it basically made a negative, both non-theloads out.

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This seems to make the most sense.

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But the right door is not on the outside.

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I know that we're just continuing

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with what was there prior.

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It makes it so sides busy.

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If the previous house was in a very good condition,

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what would be one would do a house?

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It's a very, very small house.

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It's a kid.

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It was built in the early 1950s. That was kind of at the end of when Cape Cods were being constructed. So, at the time it was built, it was kind of out of date. And you can see almost every Cape Cod and every community is being renovated. So, you know, what we would have to do with this house is basically take it down to the studs, redo everything. The basement was very low, so we'd have to excavate down, underpin the foundation.

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Foundation is to thin to support additional height to create a more usable basement.

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The second floor deck is not adequate to support the loads required under the current

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codes.

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So the second floor deck would have to be upgraded.

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The current walls being only two by four don't provide enough depth for modern insulation

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to meet the energy code conformance requirements.

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So, there will be a lot of updating that had to be done to this house, extensive modifications,

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plus with all the existing non-conformities to houses closer to some of the side yards

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to some of the yards then currently.

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So, we felt that by having a vertical intensification utilizing the existing footprint and expanding

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it would be a worse and path than what we're proposing tonight.

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I guess the question is,

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if you rebuild the houses to be rebuilt, if you rebuild the house

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with the exact same footprint and volume that he has, is it a livable house?

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No, it's not.

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It's a cape.

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So there's a small dormer on the roof.

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What is the current floor area of the house that's left blank on here?

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I don't believe we calculated it.

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Well, the incalculate is the place to raise the property, so there's no information about the existing structure.

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But we can.

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You can't confuse.

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Yes.

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I think we've all been in a Cape Cod style home.

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You know, ones that have been renovated, ones that haven't been touched.

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And it's not a really livable house.

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It's a very compartmentalized layout.

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The attic is, you know, the bedrooms are underneath a sloping roof.

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There's a small donor that facilitates the bathroom.

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and it's two attic bedrooms, basically.

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And that's not really what people are looking for.

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Nobody would take this house renovated as is.

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If you raise the roof and went up,

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I think you'd have a similar bulk

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against the neighbor as what we're proposing.

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We would want to increase the footprint

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to make the floor plan more usable

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since the layout is very small and tight.

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And again, doesn't meet the needs

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of what people are looking for.

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Is

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it possible to build a house for someone who is looking for a 2 bedroom that is comfortable?

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I guess anything is possible, sure.

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I just don't think that the builder or an end user.

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I have rarely, does a client come to me whether in this town or any town that says,

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I just want to, you know, maybe extend a dormer and make the bedroom a little bit bigger.

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It would be highly unusual, especially in Iran, to only proceed with a redevelopment plan

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that incorporates such a modest change.

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Okay.

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And the last question for now, sorry, if we did touch the garage, do we reduce all those

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alliances?

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No, because the way the ordinance reads, you would get the credit of the detached garage area

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from four area ratio, but it still would contribute to building coverage, so the building coverage

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would be basically the same. The only disadvantage would be that by detaching the garage, we would

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have more driveway, typically that's what happens, and then that would increase the lot coverage.

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Yeah, but if you detached the garage, you wouldn't have to space a load to garage, which means

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that floor area ratio would be that eliminated, probably it would eliminate the 300 square feet

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that the applicant is seeking.

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Yeah, it's interesting that the way that your ordinance is written is that FAR is two

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times building coverage.

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So to get your whole four-hour ratio, it would be basically a cube.

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And cubes, in my opinion, they have their spot and can be nice for a relation to the facade.

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A lot of visual interest and shadow lines.

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And we've all driven around town.

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You see a lot of the new builds, and they're really just tubes with maybe a little bit of ornamentation.

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I think that detracts from the community. I think getting a little bit more coverage or a little bit more floor area to give us the ability to articulate these facades and create a more attractive envelope goes a long way to preserving the charm that the borough has.

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There's a difference between granting a variance in favor of something that is consistent with the master plan as opposed to one that's not.

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I know that's probably, we're past the architect questions here, so I apologize.

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No, it's okay.

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Go ahead.

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I'll just apologize.

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Sure.

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Okay.

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Let's see.

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Yeah, so,

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yeah, we were really looking to do a house that really engaged the corner that

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was attractive by both Willow and Hillside, something that was durable, energy efficient.

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And again, like I just stated, had a nice character.

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So, these are the drawings dated July 7th.

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The first is the front elevation index and the area numbers.

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Next page is the finished basement plan.

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It's at the top.

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It consists of a play area, gym, study, and guest bedroom.

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These are an historic area utility space.

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These are just kind of generic labels since we don't have a user.

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I just came up with ideas of what these spaces should be used for, but they're really flex

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spaces that anybody can use for any reason.

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Next floor is the first floor.

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There's the attached garage that we just discussed, and it's generally in the same location

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as the existing house.

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You walk in, there's a very small foyer with a powder room adjacent to it, a dining room,

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and then a kind of an open concept kitchen, family, breakfast area.

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We decided to create this open complex.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we created this open concept to make the space feel larger while minimizing

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the amount of floor area by having the spaces visually share and overlap one another.

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We also have a small porch here on the front that allows access out to the yard.

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Now flipping to sheet 8th, right at

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the top of the drawing is the roof plan.

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This is just to show that there's no finished attic area and allows for the calculations

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for that half-story below at the bottom of the page is the second floor plan.

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The second floor plan consists of four bedrooms on sweet bath, a hall bath,

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and a primary suite with a laundry room.

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Next is the elevations.

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I

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labeled the elevations as you would typically find, although it's different than the way that Mr. Brightly had defined them.

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So there's the interior side yard, exterior side yard on rear yard.

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So it is a little bit different, but you can kind of get the sense of which the sides of the house are.

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This is the front that willow, this is the front that hillside, this is the side opposite hillside, and this is the side opposite willow.

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I have a rendering here, I'd like to bring up, I submitted as an additional exhibit.

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Sure, we can just walk it.

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Okay,

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is it A1, Mr. Dwyer?

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Yeah, I

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felt it was better to kind of, yes.

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The A1 is a computer-generated photo-realistic rendering of the home dated today produced

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by my office.

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Thank you.

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This is a conceptual rendering, it's not 100% accurate, but I think it really speaks

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to how the house will look on the property, and I thought it was better to talk about some

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of the things that we did here to kind of break down the scale and create a more attractive

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appearance.

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You can say that House has a very attractive facade on hillside as well as on Willow.

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I articulated the volumes as I was mentioning earlier.

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You can see there's a variety of roof peaks.

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the facade.

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We also use a variety of materials to create texture and texture creates more visual interest. Again, breaking down scale. We have a stone base that really grounds us to the site as well as the trim band along the middle. That further breaks down the scale of the home. We have a nice portico here at the entry, and this is the port I've mentioned that allows access to the yard. And I think these really engage the house with the community.

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really creates the connection, you know, so many houses turn their back to the neighborhood

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and here we're trying to engage the house to the street, especially since the primary

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living space will be on the side.

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This house was actually inspired by another house I had designed in town about six years

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ago, it was on the corner of Elmwood and Milton, right across from the Milton Street School.

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It's a house that, you know, everybody seems to really like, I've gotten a lot of compliments

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on it, I think it's a similar situation where it was a corner a lot, needed variance

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relief, and you know, it was a narrow neighborhood in transition down at the end there.

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And what we did is really to try to create something that was complementary to the neighborhood,

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you know, create something that really kind of works.

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And everybody that walked through that house said, although the rooms are not generous in size,

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they really encompasses everything that a family needs in a home.

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There wasn't a lot of wasted space, and that's what we tried to do here.

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Try to maximize every square foot while minimizing the overall square footage of the home.

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Overall, I believe what we've created here really improved was currently on the site.

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It enhances the usefulness of the home, the usefulness of the property, improves the housing stock,

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and I think would be a benefit to chat them in the bar of.

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That's all I really have. Open it up to any question.

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Let's turn to Mr. Brightley's correspondence in particular, 0.6 raises some questions here.

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No, I'm not here.

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Yes.

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And I believe you covered some of these.

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But in 0.6, he's asking certain questions regarding the architectural drawings.

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So just take it to support A.

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Yes. Okay.

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Yes, so to go over these points, this is Mr. Bartley's comments from Boswell

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Engineering, dated July 22nd, 2026. Number six comments pertain to architectural drawings.

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First one is just about the legend, so we have that finished basement plan on sheet.

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Yeah, but you'll be, you'll comply with that.

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Yes, we'll comply with that.

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Yes.

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Yes, of course.

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A finished basement plan on A2 indicates a guest bedroom.

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The egress well, there's no egress well.

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The drawings were subsequently updated on 77, and the well was eliminated.

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You still have a link?

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Okay, it's a mistake.

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Mr. Treballi, are you, sorry.

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So the plan's still available on egress well, without the help of any chance.

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That was one of the questions Mr. Treballi had.

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that. Also, the other question was, does having a window provide a required egress from

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the public food?

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You had enough to respond to those. The well on the plan is a typo. It'll be eliminated.

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And the window does meet the code requirement for egress.

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And I just see it was just relabeling the elevation views.

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I do not.

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Thank you.

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I'll put it up to the board members.

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Any members have any other questions?

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Yeah, I have one question, so on the application, it says it's a construction of a 2.5 story,

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single family dwelling on the various planets, shows it as a two family, what's the distinction between two and two and a half?

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It's a calculation, it's a 2.5 story dwelling, so the attic does not count as a story, it's just a half story.

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And then the attic, I know that it has a notation here that it's not finished, but if it

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were finished, what would be usable?

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No, it's a low attic and there's the only way to access it would be a full downstairs.

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What's the ceiling pipe?

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In the attic?

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Yeah.

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So,

471
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:51,100
I get a frog to me.

472
00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:51,800
Please.

473
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:29,940
The, the, the, the finished basements is not count towards the area. It's not correct? It does not. Okay. And overall what's being proposed is a five-bedroom, three-fold, two-half-bed structure. Right? One-half-bed. One-half-bed, there's not one in the basement. I thought I saw that. I saw a full-bed. So four-fold, one-half-bed.

474
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:36,600
Two-fold on the second-fold and one-fold in the basement. So three-fold. And one-half.

475
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,760
I'm not mistaken.

476
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:41,980
Yeah.

477
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:43,460
Three.

478
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:44,780
Well, there's a half.

479
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:46,240
The other is a four.

480
00:35:46,820 --> 00:35:49,000
There was a half on the first floor.

481
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,240
A four on the basement.

482
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:52,400
And two four on the basement.

483
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:52,720
Three on the floor.

484
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,520
So four full bed.

485
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:54,300
One half bed.

486
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:54,740
Five bed.

487
00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:55,180
Yes.

488
00:36:00,250 --> 00:36:00,990
I'm sorry.

489
00:36:01,730 --> 00:36:02,930
Frontier outside the yard.

490
00:36:03,370 --> 00:36:06,010
The front yard is with those three, correct?

491
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:10,050
For our both performers, the front yard is hillside.

492
00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:12,770
The front yard is hillside.

493
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:19,130
Yes, place that the front of the structure is not tasty, but it's all in good terms and that's the purpose.

494
00:36:19,470 --> 00:36:20,630
So the front is a little side.

495
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:25,390
So, on your drawing what you have block 104, that's the backyard.

496
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:26,030
Right?

497
00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:35,970
And Lilo is the side yard?

498
00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:39,150
Well, that's the exterior side yard.

499
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:41,330
Exterior side of the house.

500
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:45,810
And next your neighbor is interior side yard.

501
00:36:45,810 --> 00:36:53,350
interior. And the rear is opposite. So the back of the rear,

502
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,020
this is the other side.

503
00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:14,920
The house is very well designed to go next to the house. It's very bulky compared to the

504
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,160
neighboring houses. It doesn't seem to pay any homage to your neighbors. They're all smaller,

505
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:25,200
case, smaller houses, this thing just sticks right up on that corner over everything and when

506
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:31,820
I look at it from the street view, maybe down the block and will others with some bigger

507
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:32,120
houses.

508
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:35,040
This is the other houses around it.

509
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:36,800
Yeah I think.

510
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:41,840
It's more of a planner's question I think, more of a planning question, I don't know that

511
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,600
Mr. Mueller's qualified to answer that, I mean you can talk about that.

512
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:51,080
Considering, I mean, if you look at scaling it down a little bit, I know you can get a very functional

513
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:59,740
tape with, you know, four bedrooms, three beds, under 3,000, well under 3,000 square feet without a problem.

514
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,140
And you're starting to scratch, right?

515
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:02,820
Yeah.

516
00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:05,100
So we're under 3,000 as well.

517
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:06,360
And you've been told now a little bit here.

518
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:14,260
Yeah, I think it's just the nature of this neighborhood, I think, that a lot of the houses were built

519
00:38:14,260 --> 00:38:20,860
in the 1950s by a developer was a cookie cutter situation where a lot of the houses are

520
00:38:20,860 --> 00:38:26,700
the same. And I think over time, and you can see it happening, the houses along Hill

521
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:32,680
side are being redeveloped. And these older homes are bringing out of being changed and

522
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,920
built up to modern standards.

523
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:36,380
Thank you, Susan.

524
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,180
I just have one quick. I may have listed something. What is the height of the proposed elevation?

525
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,040
It's conforming. I have a number here. It's just

526
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,940
under 35, 34, 9.

527
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,620
So, the 35 feet, okay. And then we do have a plan or a coming up, right?

528
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,100
Yeah, and a lot of that height is dictated by the slope of the property.

529
00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:10,200
It slopes quite a bit down, down, well up, so that contributes to the number.

530
00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:18,480
Where is it 35 on the garage side or by the...

531
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,400
I believe it's an average.

532
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:20,560
It's an average.

533
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:27,500
So there is part where more than 35 feet because of the elevation.

534
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,760
We cannot be engineered go over the high calculations.

535
00:39:33,820 --> 00:39:36,400
Can you remember us having other questions in the architect?

536
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:45,840
I was asked before, maybe I missed it, but you know, you're proposing, on the 4A, you're

537
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,920
proposing 3,000 square feet.

538
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:57,280
If you kept it within the 2700 allowable, I thought you'd answer with that, you end up with

539
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,800
a square house or a box house.

540
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,960
Thank you very much.

541
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,480
I'm not sure, I understand why that's the case. Like, why is that, it's like 300 feet of FAR,

542
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,920
300 square feet of FAR. Like, how does that change the design of the house that looks,

543
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:19,220
this is a nice design. And so, I'm just trying to understand why, like, what's driving

544
00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:23,700
the size here? Like, you couldn't eliminate it. I made an up eliminated bedroom, make the rooms

545
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:29,440
a little smaller and have a still a functional house that is, you know, the more sensitive

546
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,840
variants issues that we tend to hear?

547
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:42,980
Yeah, I would say that to go back to the statement I made earlier, to achieve the FAR that's

548
00:40:42,980 --> 00:40:48,200
allowed on the lot, it's two times building coverage, so the only way that would be achievable

549
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,800
would be by having basically a box, right?

550
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,740
it's the first and second floors would be the same area.

551
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,260
And if we took a made the garage detache,

552
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,540
you're losing all that footprint,

553
00:40:58,820 --> 00:40:59,960
so then you'll lose all that area,

554
00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:02,640
basically you lose double the garage area

555
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,440
in the livable space that it has.

556
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,580
So I've said before that a lot of towns

557
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:15,080
have give you a little bit more building coverage

558
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,660
to allow you to have a little bit more interesting home.

559
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,240
In this case, we decided to create

560
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:26,160
a little bit more interesting home, try to, you know, since it's not specifically for an

561
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,380
end user, we're trying to appeal to a wider market, thinking about, you know, by working

562
00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:36,020
in town for so many years, thinking about what people are looking for, trying to take

563
00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:42,920
every box and get the house as close as possible, while I still think being sensitive to the neighborhood.

564
00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:51,060
Any other members have any other questions to witness? Any member of the public has any

565
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:54,060
The question is where you go to the vote, and I asked Henry a question.

566
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,360
Henry, you're on the top of the page for there's a question.

567
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,980
I believe we addressed it, but

568
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:04,840
you asked that the applicant can confirm the basement is not considered a walk-out.

569
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,760
Yeah, I think that's not going to testify to that.

570
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,720
He indicated in such, but I think, like, two questions.

571
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,280
One is, we need additional testimony as to why it's not in accordance with the definition.

572
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,240
And then, secondly, while I understand that the engineer is going to come up and talk about the height measurements,

573
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:27,820
At some point, somebody has to show how those pipe measurement actually meets the definition as a filter.

574
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:34,600
I appreciate the fact that you consider it's not a walkout basement, but we need some calculations proving that.

575
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,840
You would like me to calculate the basement area below the grade plan, is that correct?

576
00:42:41,020 --> 00:42:42,320
Okay, sure, we can provide that.

577
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:48,960
Yes, I believe.

578
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,400
The division of building that.

579
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:53,800
Yeah, I think Mr. Clark will go over the building height.

580
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,140
But he has probably had a point as far as how that number was calculated.

581
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,460
And if he's sweating behind me, I'll try to put together some information myself.

582
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:03,020
What are we?

583
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,480
I did have a question with regards to location of the garage.

584
00:43:10,020 --> 00:43:13,720
As you indicated, it slopes down along Willow.

585
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:22,900
And so I noticed some of the other buildings or other residential units along this roadway.

586
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:26,580
they actually put the garage on the opposite side.

587
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:29,260
So you take advantage of the topography going down,

588
00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:30,680
so you're kind of going into the garage,

589
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,820
whereas this is a little bit different.

590
00:43:34,620 --> 00:43:38,340
And I think one of the things that may feel a bit more,

591
00:43:38,620 --> 00:43:41,760
having more building mass is the fact that this thing sticks

592
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,080
a little bit out of the ground more

593
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,360
so than what you see across the board.

594
00:43:45,580 --> 00:43:47,100
You know, the area that you would,

595
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:50,000
you were the porches would normally be a garage.

596
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:57,440
There's more of a subterian feel to it, whereas this probably sits a little bit higher than most of the buildings.

597
00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:59,900
Any thoughts as to why you did that?

598
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,560
Yeah, we thought by keeping the garage in similar to the location as now would be the better location.

599
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:11,180
I thought that by creating, moving the garage to the other side of the home,

600
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,940
we would have to create a level cut here, and then that would create more of a shear wall.

601
00:44:16,940 --> 00:44:24,260
And I think by way we're designing this by having it step up to a porch the porch push in let me

602
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:33,780
Move to the right right here by the having the porch push in. I think breaks up that area that would if it was the garage would be

603
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:40,920
More solid portion of the house giving the appearance of greater height even though it would be basically the same

604
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,380
So this approach having the garage here on the other side

605
00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:50,060
we're not giving up you know all that height above the garage creating a high interior volume

606
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,700
making the house look a little bit taller and so by stepping it in and out on that side

607
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:57,840
but brace down the height by not having it just a-

608
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:28,700
That's kind of round about way to answer it, but hopefully that answer was clear. Thank you. Well, it also be that if you're really looking at the musical outdoor space to be proposed on the left side of the house. And if you have a garage on the left side of the house, you'd have to walk out the garage to go to the yard. Exactly. It allowed us to have more of the windows along Willow facing the street and also facing the rear yard, as opposed to the other way which would require a lot more of the last.

609
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:36,820
on the interior side yard which would create greater visual connection to the

610
00:45:36,820 --> 00:45:41,400
neighbor to the right, decreasing their privacy. So the only real windows we have on

611
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,640
the right side of the house is in the dining room which is not a room that's

612
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,180
used heavily and I think that preserves the privacy between the two houses so

613
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:53,580
that's a good point Mr. Sibelius by finishing the garage where it is opens the

614
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:56,300
house more to the yard and creates more privacy for the surrounding neighbor.

615
00:45:58,530 --> 00:46:01,150
Any other questions from the members or any other questions?

616
00:46:03,830 --> 00:46:05,570
Any member of the public have any questions?

617
00:46:05,570 --> 00:46:07,570
The witness based on the testimony presented.

618
00:46:11,540 --> 00:46:11,840
A second.

619
00:46:17,730 --> 00:46:19,850
We need to just need you to answer your link.

620
00:46:20,050 --> 00:46:20,890
Go to the microphone, please.

621
00:46:21,310 --> 00:46:21,590
Yeah, here.

622
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:22,130
Oh, sure.

623
00:46:22,450 --> 00:46:22,690
Yeah, sure.

624
00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:25,210
Just your name and address please.

625
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:27,250
Scott Cornish, eight willow street.

626
00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:30,110
Sorry, Mr. Cornish, please raise your right hand.

627
00:46:30,670 --> 00:46:31,410
That's a cool question.

628
00:46:31,410 --> 00:46:32,590
Just asking a question, which way?

629
00:46:33,070 --> 00:46:33,610
Only a question?

630
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:34,750
No, I'm just a question.

631
00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:43,110
My question was, it's more kind of apropos, Mr. Barrett asked, but are you saying you're

632
00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:49,910
not able to design a house with a similar aesthetic that's about 300 less square feet?

633
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:51,390
Is that what you're saying?

634
00:46:53,550 --> 00:46:57,430
I'm not saying it's impossible to design a smaller house.

635
00:46:57,690 --> 00:47:03,290
I'm saying it would be challenging to design a house 300 square feet smaller and achieve

636
00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:08,510
the same programmatic requirements that we had, you know, 300 square feet is

637
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:13,950
is greater in size than, you know, one or probably one and a half to two bedrooms.

638
00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:17,010
So that's a good amount of four areas to fill them in.

639
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:20,060
So yes,

640
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:28,100
could something smaller be designed, of course? Would it meet the needs of most people in

641
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:28,940
I would say no.

642
00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:37,440
I'm sorry.

643
00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:38,320
Can you go?

644
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:38,660
Yes.

645
00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:40,120
I'll be happy to have you with me.

646
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:42,120
My question there is just, you know,

647
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,840
I live in a house, I live next to where it's about 300.

648
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,420
I think we're 20s, 2007, 50, or 20s.

649
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,340
It's a smaller house.

650
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:50,500
I'm a family of five.

651
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,600
We fit in it, meets our needs.

652
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,080
So I was just wanting the basis for the state

653
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,640
that it doesn't meet our needs.

654
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:56,700
Which house is yours?

655
00:47:57,260 --> 00:47:57,980
8 Willow Street.

656
00:47:58,140 --> 00:48:01,180
So I'm in the house, depending on what you're on,

657
00:48:01,180 --> 00:48:06,740
I think the rear of the applicant's proposed structure.

658
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,280
So we're going down the willow on the left side.

659
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,160
On the right side.

660
00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:10,520
OK.

661
00:48:10,660 --> 00:48:11,400
Are you allowed to?

662
00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:13,220
I think I'm allowed to.

663
00:48:13,580 --> 00:48:15,180
I mean, you're 18, OK, young.

664
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:15,400
Yeah.

665
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:19,860
The 38-foot side of that has a proposed home.

666
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:22,660
OK.

667
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:24,620
So the

668
00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:28,420
nice thing about architecture is

669
00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:29,340
anything's really possible.

670
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,080
You know, you can be creative and come up with different things,

671
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:34,800
different ideas, different house forms, different shapes.

672
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,360
We felt for this lot. This was the best use

673
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,660
any of the questions from the members of color

674
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,720
I'm ready

675
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:29,840
Andrew Clark C. L. A. R. K. E

676
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:41,200
your licenses are still up-to-date and we do this in a good failing record. Your address please.

677
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,340
466 Southern Boulevard in Chattano, New Jersey.

678
00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:49,020
Andrew, are you prepared the variance plan?

679
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:55,080
I did.

680
00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:03,120
So why don't we welcome forward?

681
00:50:05,790 --> 00:50:22,970
Certainly. I'll be making reference to that plan. It's entitled Variance Plan with a date of July 13, 2026. May no marks or indications on the plan, so it's as submitted. I'll describe first the existing conditions.

682
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:39,280
So on my plan and the upper left corner is the existing conditions based upon the survey that I conducted earlier this year.

683
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:45,240
And so the lot is on the corner as discussed of the corner of Willow and Hillside Avenue.

684
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,720
It's addressed at 2.05 Hillside Avenue in the existing.

685
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,500
And in the existing the front faces Willow Street along with the garage.

686
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:04,140
The lot size is below the minimum 9,300 square feet at 7,667 square feet.

687
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:15,120
It's a lot one in block 104 in the R2 zone, approximately 139 and change deep, and about

688
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:20,160
just shy of 55 feet wide as far as a lot to mention.

689
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,460
The existing house is situated facing Willow Street.

690
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,780
If you're standing on Willow Street facing the house, the garage is on the right side to the

691
00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:31,520
right of the garage.

692
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:37,160
is a paved area. Not sure if it's quite wide enough to park a car, but it might be close.

693
00:51:38,580 --> 00:51:43,420
And then there's an entrance in between the attached garage and the main body of the house.

694
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:52,400
On the left side is a patio that's facing that rear yard and accessible from within the dwelling.

695
00:51:54,620 --> 00:52:00,180
The setbacks that exist on this property in the existing condition along Willow Street or

696
00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:03,980
or rather hillside, it's a 30.4 at the nearest point

697
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:09,280
and 31.4 at the right corner there on the Willow Street,

698
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,540
which would be the exterior side yard.

699
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,040
30 feet required, the existing is 19.1 and 19,

700
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,360
well it's parallel, 19.1 in both locations.

701
00:52:20,140 --> 00:52:24,400
And in the rear yard, it's 62.7 on the right side,

702
00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:27,740
the nearest point is at the back of the attached garage,

703
00:52:28,060 --> 00:52:29,080
we're at 7.2

704
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,520
and the main body of the house is at 10.5.

705
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,460
The topography is such that it grades from hillside,

706
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,720
it slopes down Willow Street.

707
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,100
So the grade at the hillside end is about 193

708
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:49,480
and you're about 183 at the back side of the property,

709
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,260
the lower end of the property on Willow.

710
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,380
So it drops down a significant amount

711
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:55,000
as you go down Willow Street.

712
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:04,760
The proposed conditions, there are no existing drainage improvements other than discharging

713
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,880
the roof leaders at grade primarily.

714
00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:15,320
One of them may be in disrepair and discharging the curb, but nothing, no formal stormwater

715
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:16,720
management for the existing site.

716
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:32,700
So on the proposed conditions, you reviewed that house itself, but in terms of the bulk standards and the positioning of the house, I think you can see that it's very similarly situated in terms of where the house is on the lot.

717
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,400
Starting on hillside, we're at 31 and 31 and a half feet.

718
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,980
So it's very similar, nearly identical to the existing setback.

719
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:51,300
And while that doesn't conform with the average that is employed for the 200 foot properties,

720
00:53:51,780 --> 00:53:54,920
there's four lots along hillside that make up that average.

721
00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:00,680
I have a table here demonstrating that and that the average is 34.85.

722
00:54:00,980 --> 00:54:01,880
We don't meet that.

723
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:07,700
But what we are doing is positioning the house at the same setback as the existing dwelling.

724
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:13,980
And I felt that that was a strong position to be in because I surveyed the houses,

725
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,640
those four houses, and you have those setbacks.

726
00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:22,140
What's interesting here is that the setbacks vary to get increasing as you head away from

727
00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:22,740
Willow Street.

728
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:28,280
But that's because the houses are all essentially in line, but the street line deviates,

729
00:54:28,460 --> 00:54:30,260
and it's not parallel with that.

730
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:38,040
So the farther you go up hillside, the bigger the setback, but visually the houses are almost perfectly in line

731
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:43,460
So this 31.5 is in line with that that line of houses there

732
00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:49,860
Visually, so that's why we placed it there even though it doesn't conform to the to the average setback

733
00:54:49,860 --> 00:54:55,300
We of course could have moved it back a few more feet to conform to that, but it would seem

734
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,220
Sort of disinit with the existing streetscape

735
00:55:00,430 --> 00:55:30,410
So that's the front setback. The exterior side yard along Willis Street, 14 feet is the portico setback. So that's the closest point. And it's for the portico. And then there's the projection, small projection next to the portico that's at 16.6. And then the main body of the house is at 17.1. So it's a little bit closer to that. Part of that is because we wanted to keep 10 feet on the right side.

736
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:38,690
side along the entire side with that neighbor on lot 2 so we held 10 feet and so that brings

737
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:44,710
in that portion that's at 7.2 existing we're bringing that in and respecting that 10 foot set

738
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:52,590
back it's not the 12 to get the 12 would have caused more proximity to Willow Street and even a

739
00:55:52,590 --> 00:56:00,350
smaller exterior side yard there so this seemed like a decent balance of those yards in that sense

740
00:56:00,350 --> 00:56:11,210
And then the rear yard is at 46.3, Chattam, the burrow calculates the height as part

741
00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:18,090
of the rear yard and front yard setback, so the rear yard setback is 1.5 times the height.

742
00:56:19,050 --> 00:56:27,250
And so that would be based on our 34.9 foot, I think it was pointed out in the memo that

743
00:56:27,250 --> 00:56:32,070
that would be 52.35, would be the required rear yard.

744
00:56:32,190 --> 00:56:37,030
I have 52.5, I apply 35 feet times one and a half

745
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:38,010
and that's what I applied.

746
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:40,270
So they're very similar in terms of the requirement

747
00:56:41,090 --> 00:56:43,070
and our deficiency in that.

748
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:47,230
But we don't meet that rear yard regardless.

749
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:51,910
So that's the orientation and the positioning.

750
00:56:52,170 --> 00:56:54,030
In terms of the engineering and the grading,

751
00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:58,690
We're maintaining the same grading paradigm for the property.

752
00:56:58,850 --> 00:57:02,770
The grades are essentially in the same arrangement.

753
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:07,850
We are, however, adding a dry well that's going to capture the bulk of the house.

754
00:57:08,510 --> 00:57:12,730
The two roof leaders that would be at the back can't get there quite by gravity.

755
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:14,570
So we're going to bring those to the curb.

756
00:57:15,090 --> 00:57:17,650
That's a minor portion of the roof area.

757
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:24,310
In fact, we are reducing slightly the lot coverage and we're conforming on the lot coverage.

758
00:57:25,170 --> 00:57:32,910
So, you know, in a normal permit condition, it would be not as intense a stormwater requirement,

759
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:35,990
but we wanted to make sure we got a pretty good job with that.

760
00:57:36,170 --> 00:57:40,570
So we've got the bulk of the house being managed with the drywell up along Hillside.

761
00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:45,310
There were some questions about the height.

762
00:57:45,570 --> 00:57:48,490
The height is indicated on here.

763
00:57:48,610 --> 00:57:49,910
There's a calculation for it.

764
00:57:49,930 --> 00:57:53,430
I have the numbers in the circles, which historically,

765
00:57:53,590 --> 00:57:56,410
that's been the way that Chattonborough calculates the height.

766
00:57:56,530 --> 00:57:58,390
It's computed at each corner.

767
00:57:58,970 --> 00:58:01,630
So you take the grade at the corner compared to the roof,

768
00:58:01,630 --> 00:58:03,090
the roof peak elevation.

769
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:05,110
And that's the height at that corner.

770
00:58:05,530 --> 00:58:07,630
And you do that at all four corners and average them.

771
00:58:07,630 --> 00:58:12,130
It's not unlike a calculation where you simply average the grade at the four corners

772
00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:13,190
and compared to the peak.

773
00:58:13,450 --> 00:58:16,910
It's essentially the same number, but that's how it's represented.

774
00:58:17,170 --> 00:58:24,030
So on the hillside avenue side, the elevation will appear to have a 32-foot height that's

775
00:58:24,030 --> 00:58:30,190
31.5 and 32 feet on the height as calculated on the elevation on hillside.

776
00:58:30,190 --> 00:58:37,650
But at the lower end of the site, where 38 feet is the peak to the grade in those locations.

777
00:58:37,830 --> 00:58:41,130
So that's because the grade drops off as I indicated before.

778
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:49,830
So the average of that gets you to the allowable height or just under the allowable height at 34.9.

779
00:58:50,550 --> 00:58:57,350
Now in terms of the basement, it's not a story above grade or walk out basement in any way.

780
00:58:58,030 --> 00:59:02,810
For a few reasons, I'm sure that if I did what I call the 50% rule calculation,

781
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:08,530
where you analyze the difference between the floors and how much foundation is exposed,

782
00:59:08,930 --> 00:59:15,270
it would easily meet that, and that's evident for, and we can provide that, of course.

783
00:59:15,770 --> 00:59:17,190
It's evident for a couple of reasons.

784
00:59:17,830 --> 00:59:22,670
Typically, when you have that type of situation, your first floor to the average grade

785
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:28,710
is usually more than 6 feet, or at least 6 feet, or at like 4 feet, 4.1, I think.

786
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:34,330
And in the back where we have the 38-foot height, the basement elevation is actually,

787
00:59:34,770 --> 00:59:37,430
I think it's 2.5 or 3 feet below the grave there.

788
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:45,470
So it's, it would not be possible without stairs that come up to exit out that, that side of house.

789
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:57,860
And the only reason the existing house has a walkhouse because the basement is so shallow

790
00:59:57,860 --> 00:59:59,960
while in its ceiling height, so the floor of the base...

791
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:23,260
So that's how they were able to have a little bit of a walkout on the back of the existing house. But I'm confident if we do the 50% rule, which we can do, it would demonstrate that it's not a walkout or a story about great.

792
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:32,770
Mr. Hart, can you just confirm that you took the measurements from the existing grade versus the proposed grade for the height?

793
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,980
Yeah, so it

794
01:00:55,650 --> 01:01:06,110
is from the existing because you can see the 185 contour in the existing condition comes right into the back of that house there.

795
01:01:07,110 --> 01:01:11,550
So, that would be the 185 would be the 38-foot differential there.

796
01:01:12,350 --> 01:01:17,350
And in the front, the existing and proposed grades are nearly the same.

797
01:01:18,090 --> 01:01:25,850
And I didn't see the actual total measurement on the architectural plans, the height of

798
01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:29,050
to the bottom side of the building.

799
01:01:29,790 --> 01:01:34,950
I just see a measure of 30 feet, five inches, I think it says.

800
01:01:36,490 --> 01:01:39,310
Did you get the actual heights from the architect?

801
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,580
The difference between the proposed grade and the peak

802
01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:50,900
at the back so that we coordinated on the dimensions

803
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:55,560
of the house and usually what I coordinate most closely

804
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:00,960
on is the first floor to ridge dimension and then I work on the grades and the rest of

805
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:08,830
that's driven from the engineering plan. In this case, the 30 feet six inches is the

806
01:02:08,830 --> 01:02:16,970
first floor to ridge, but the 38 feet would represent the 223 minus 185. At the house, we're

807
01:02:16,970 --> 01:02:23,970
a little bit above 185 in the proposed grade. It's 185 and a half, so it's around that 38,

808
01:02:23,970 --> 01:02:27,510
837 and a half for the actual measure to mention there.

809
01:02:28,220 --> 01:02:28,550
And

810
01:02:34,410 --> 01:02:37,370
I think that describes the proposed conditions.

811
01:02:37,810 --> 01:02:42,890
I can walk through the engineering memo, or field questions in whichever order.

812
01:02:45,310 --> 01:02:54,250
Yeah, I mean, top level, first of all, I see no issues or problems with satisfying the comments in the letter.

813
01:03:01,250 --> 01:03:01,580
Yep.

814
01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:05,720
Let's talk about number three, which is-

815
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:06,900
Oh right, three of the driveway.

816
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,080
Yeah, I haven't highlighted it as something to touch on with a little more explanation.

817
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:19,140
So the proposed driveway is, the existing driveway is 23 feet wide at the street, at the curb line.

818
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,720
And what we're proposing is almost exactly in the same place.

819
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,900
In fact, our curb line that's closest to hillside is five feet farther away from hillside than

820
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:31,520
in the existing curb cut and driveway.

821
01:03:32,380 --> 01:03:35,800
And we're making an 18 feet rather than 23 feet.

822
01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:40,200
That's just so you don't have a little 16 to 18 foot

823
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,040
wiggle at the end and can have sort of a clean

824
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,560
backup maneuver in and out of the driveway.

825
01:03:47,260 --> 01:03:50,980
But I don't think that the design waiver deviation

826
01:03:50,980 --> 01:03:52,200
is significant.

827
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,540
In fact, I think keeping the driveway in the same position

828
01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:58,000
is something that everyone's familiar with in the neighborhood.

829
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:11,680
it's in the same position relative to Hillside. It's on Willow Street, which I think is a better location for the driveway than Hillside, and I don't think there's any negative aspects to granting such a waiver.

830
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:28,700
Yeah, that's that's that when you get 16 feet, you can't quite fit to car side by side 18 feet

831
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:33,980
you can that's, you know, a standard parking stall on a parking lot would be nine feet wide. So two

832
01:04:33,980 --> 01:04:38,400
times that, you know, gives you the ability to park to car side by side. And you could still do it

833
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:43,900
with a 16 foot. You just have to start at 16 and then and do a little maneuver

834
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:47,240
to park side by side.

835
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,480
So I have an objection to the waiver,

836
01:04:52,370 --> 01:04:55,250
reducing the way from 23 to 18 more

837
01:04:55,250 --> 01:04:59,110
in conformance with what the requirement is.

838
01:05:00,660 --> 01:05:07,080
Roger, and the 18-foot width does allow for a little bit more space for two cars to be parted side by side.

839
01:05:10,730 --> 01:05:22,410
Yeah, that was the one I had highlighted in the comments as far as requiring some discussion. The other comments, to me, look like mostly detail oriented, which is all fine.

840
01:05:22,410 --> 01:05:23,170
And

841
01:05:29,860 --> 01:05:35,780
a draw on your proposal and we'd also recommend you to

842
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,320
be here with everything else.

843
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,320
I have no further comments for you.

844
01:05:41,460 --> 01:05:42,260
Thank you, Mr. Williams.

845
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:45,240
Any further tests?

846
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:45,700
Morning, please.

847
01:05:46,060 --> 01:05:47,060
Any members have any questions?

848
01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:47,820
Mr. Carlin?

849
01:05:50,350 --> 01:05:50,750
Is there anything?

850
01:05:51,050 --> 01:05:51,490
Yeah.

851
01:05:51,690 --> 01:05:54,030
So I had a couple of questions with regards to tree removal.

852
01:05:54,490 --> 01:05:56,050
It looks like there's some grading occurring.

853
01:05:56,290 --> 01:06:02,630
There's a 36 inch, which is what it is, large tree, as well as never green towards the front.

854
01:06:03,150 --> 01:06:04,330
Are they going to remain?

855
01:06:05,290 --> 01:06:05,630
Yes.

856
01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:05,730
Yes.

857
01:06:06,170 --> 01:06:06,410
Okay.

858
01:06:06,690 --> 01:06:13,470
So I would encourage maybe some less fill, actually there's some, because there's maybe some

859
01:06:13,470 --> 01:06:20,410
this fill occurring within the drip line of that tree, is there any way that we can try

860
01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:21,610
to avoid that?

861
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:26,350
I mean, yeah, a little bit.

862
01:06:26,490 --> 01:06:33,510
We could, we could pull that 26 contour a little bit up, that would be possible.

863
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:36,330
I did try to minimize the grading impacts along there.

864
01:06:36,330 --> 01:06:38,810
In fact, there was a little more grading in the right

865
01:06:38,810 --> 01:06:41,430
away that was one of the things that changed

866
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:45,030
in the original submission to this plan.

867
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:47,670
But yeah, we certainly make every effort

868
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:48,550
to save that tree.

869
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:50,410
It's a very, it's a nice tree.

870
01:06:50,570 --> 01:06:51,230
It's a nice tree.

871
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:51,550
Yeah.

872
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:55,890
And the two up in the front are both significant size

873
01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:57,810
that are on our property.

874
01:06:57,990 --> 01:07:00,190
We're intending to save those.

875
01:07:00,590 --> 01:07:03,970
And the silt fence would indicate that we're trying to keep.

876
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:10,970
No, there's no grading planned up there and I kept the dry well far enough away that we

877
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:13,050
should be impacting the root system there.

878
01:07:13,070 --> 01:07:13,390
Okay.

879
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:17,770
And would the applicant agree to the screening of the AC units in the generator?

880
01:07:18,450 --> 01:07:18,690
Yes.

881
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:23,530
Okay, so that would be a potential condition of any kind of approval.

882
01:07:25,050 --> 01:07:31,950
Lighting any proposed lighting that was being provided as part of the applications?

883
01:07:31,950 --> 01:07:39,170
Yeah, I think just ordinary residential lighting, you know, in the portico, you know, up up up above and

884
01:07:40,370 --> 01:07:48,750
No, like flood lights in the past. No, no, no. We'll produce something that's sensitive and reduces glare sort of a dark-skies type approach

885
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:51,610
On the outdoor lighting. Great. Thank you.

886
01:07:55,870 --> 01:07:56,670
Questions from the board?

887
01:07:58,170 --> 01:08:01,730
Any member of the public having any questions for the witness based on the witness testimony?

888
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:07,560
I'm not seeing a zoning chart

889
01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:16,760
Yeah, it's on mine. It's just to the left of the variance plan title block. So I have the

890
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,040
table. There's a table to the left.

891
01:08:57,300 --> 01:09:05,240
My name is Keith Young. I live at 207 Hillside Avenue, which would be the interior right

892
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,120
side of the new, I guess.

893
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,420
If you're looking at from hillside, it will be on the right hand side, yeah.

894
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:20,760
Lot to. So my question is, as a gentleman had brought up earlier that a lot of the houses are smaller in that area.

895
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:33,180
We live in a K pod. Is there been any study done concerning how much, since it's a two and a half story structure, which is going to tower over a lot of the other houses?

896
01:09:33,180 --> 01:09:39,980
Is there any study done on how much sunlight and just natural space is going to be cut out by that?

897
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:48,520
And also I had a question, the other question I have just to, in the drawings there was a bump out for the fireplace,

898
01:09:49,420 --> 01:09:54,340
which would be, I believe, on our side of the house on the interior right side.

899
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,720
And I'm not sure exactly how far that comes out.

900
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,720
We have a number of trees along that side of the yard. So

901
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:14,460
I'll be a property line. Would you say your structure is? Our structure? I'd say it's about 10 feet.

902
01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:33,300
My guess is the existing structure, because the existing structure that we're talking about, the garage bumps out further. So it's about seven, approximately seven feet from the property line. If that was in full,

903
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:34,200
they would be about even.

904
01:10:41,170 --> 01:10:43,010
Actually, I just have a quick question.

905
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:46,430
Yeah,

906
01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:51,270
so a couple of things.

907
01:10:52,210 --> 01:10:55,130
I do have the dwelling located on the survey.

908
01:10:56,210 --> 01:11:01,430
And I did locate the house, so in terms of the numbers,

909
01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:05,410
your house is 8.8 feet off of the boundary.

910
01:11:06,730 --> 01:11:10,730
at those two nearest corners, and then it jogs in a little bit in the back.

911
01:11:11,390 --> 01:11:17,190
Our fireplace projects about two feet off of it a little bit more than two feet, so it's

912
01:11:17,190 --> 01:11:20,670
7.9 feet is the setback to the boundary.

913
01:11:21,070 --> 01:11:26,190
Shouldn't interfere with the very mature row of our varieties that are in there, provide

914
01:11:26,190 --> 01:11:30,310
great screening in the backyard, admittedly, and we shouldn't be impacting those in any

915
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:30,550
way.

916
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:33,870
I think any occupant of this property

917
01:11:33,870 --> 01:11:36,830
would also benefit from those mature trees.

918
01:11:39,390 --> 01:11:42,210
Those are the condenses also for the ACs, units?

919
01:11:42,610 --> 01:11:46,910
Yes, there's two of them and emergency generator

920
01:11:47,610 --> 01:11:48,210
that's shown.

921
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:52,890
OK, and a question to you, what's on your side

922
01:11:52,890 --> 01:11:55,570
facing those degenerator and the condenses?

923
01:11:56,430 --> 01:11:58,010
We have air conditioners on that side of the house.

924
01:11:58,510 --> 01:11:59,930
We have air conditioners on that side of the house

925
01:11:59,930 --> 01:12:07,470
two units. And then we have a number of windows on the house that would be facing the new structure.

926
01:12:07,770 --> 01:12:15,990
That's all of the conventions. Yeah, basically, yes. I mean, as was noted, we have a

927
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:21,290
role of our varieties there which create a nice natural barrier between the yards, but they're

928
01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:27,170
they're large, you know, so. And you have a big window on that side. We do. Yes. Yeah.

929
01:12:27,170 --> 01:12:27,230
Yeah.

930
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:34,530
Is there was a question about whether there was a study done?

931
01:12:34,970 --> 01:12:35,050
Right.

932
01:12:35,390 --> 01:12:35,710
All right.

933
01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:37,210
That was the other thing about the sunlight.

934
01:12:37,930 --> 01:12:44,530
We didn't do a study per se, but what I can say is that this dwelling is northeast of

935
01:12:44,530 --> 01:12:44,770
you.

936
01:12:45,010 --> 01:12:50,390
So in terms of sunlight, most of your sunlight is coming from the southern exposure, just

937
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:51,050
sort of your backyard.

938
01:12:52,490 --> 01:12:57,990
So this shouldn't, this dwelling shouldn't be interfering much with your sunlight as it normally

939
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:58,850
exists.

940
01:13:04,810 --> 01:13:06,290
Questions from the member of the public?

941
01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:07,050
questions

942
01:13:12,260 --> 01:13:12,820
for the witness.

943
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,060
Yeah it's about 10 to 9. Yeah it's probably good

944
01:13:30,060 --> 01:13:35,620
segue at this point for in-between witnesses to take 10 minutes. That's okay thank

945
01:13:35,620 --> 01:13:39,100
you very much I'd like to talk to my client given that you don't have the

946
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:40,640
requisite. It might be in the right

947
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,000
to continue or

948
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:50,460
trip. Trip, we'll take 10 minutes. Thank you sir. See you back around 9 p.m.

949
01:13:50,460 --> 01:13:52,280
Recording

950
01:13:59,930 --> 01:14:00,490
stopped.

951
01:24:54,670 --> 01:24:55,190
All done, second.

952
01:24:57,940 --> 01:24:59,320
We're going to stay in the award anyway.

953
01:24:59,320 --> 01:24:59,540
Thank you very much.

954
01:25:02,740 --> 01:25:03,220
Okay.

955
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:35,420
Recording in progress. No. Okay, we're back from our break. Yes, you take a break. You met with your clients. What say you? If I may, I'd ask that Mr. Clark just be asked to put on their oath again. I'd like him to address the story issue on the home because I'm not sure it's clear on the record.

956
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:44,600
Yeah, so just a point of clarification because it came up as part of the discussion and

957
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:45,680
we were talking about it in the hallway.

958
01:25:47,020 --> 01:25:51,740
I consider this a two story house based on the testimony, it's a pull down attic with

959
01:25:51,740 --> 01:25:56,020
the maximum five feet of the hike in the attic.

960
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:02,880
So to me, that contributes zero in terms of a story on the attic level.

961
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:12,500
Usually the half-story calculation is based upon ceiling kind of seven feet, how many square feet is that, and what's the percentage of that relative to the floor below it?

962
01:26:12,980 --> 01:26:20,040
So in this case, that's zero. So that's why I have two story on there. I think it's a two story house, not a two and a half story house.

963
01:26:20,380 --> 01:26:21,180
There's no half story.

964
01:26:23,540 --> 01:26:28,480
No, no, that's what we also said, but just as a point of clarification on the story, that's all.

965
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:29,360
Thank you.

966
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:30,680
Sometimes a perception.

967
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:32,600
Two story versus two and a half.

968
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:42,100
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to conclude this evening and return on the next meeting if possible.

969
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:51,800
Before we close for this evening, it's an informal request of the board to if they can just

970
01:26:52,420 --> 01:26:53,500
articulate their feelings.

971
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,500
Do you want me to survey the members about how they're feeling about the application

972
01:26:56,500 --> 01:26:56,960
council?

973
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:58,660
It's not unusual.

974
01:27:00,980 --> 01:27:01,640
We do it all the time.

975
01:27:02,740 --> 01:27:02,820
It's unusual.

976
01:27:02,820 --> 01:27:03,420
We do it all the time.

977
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:07,020
Just a second.

978
01:27:07,860 --> 01:27:08,580
How do you feel?

979
01:27:11,670 --> 01:27:14,450
Generally, I think the boldness is much better.

980
01:27:14,450 --> 01:27:18,250
And I will say, too, also, that we have not heard of the testimony of the planner.

981
01:27:20,490 --> 01:27:27,850
So whatever comments are going to be said there, said without the benefit of hearing the testimony of the planner.

982
01:27:28,170 --> 01:27:29,210
You still want to proceed that way?

983
01:27:29,450 --> 01:27:31,170
I do. I'm just going to suggest.

984
01:27:31,690 --> 01:27:35,630
Yes, so I feel that the boldness moved too much for the lot.

985
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:41,830
I

986
01:27:47,180 --> 01:27:53,900
think it's a really thoughtful design, I think it would be a very, you know, very good looking house, but I agree with Mr. Psychic.

987
01:27:56,100 --> 01:28:02,460
Probably with, you know, the way we have to view this benefits and detriment is I'm struggling with just with the size of the bulk.

988
01:28:03,020 --> 01:28:03,420
Keep

989
01:28:08,990 --> 01:28:09,990
a brief of the same concerns.

990
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:19,060
Yeah, now I was waiting, he really anticipating the planning testimony, because I think it would be very helpful, because I was in the

991
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:25,130
testimony setting, you know, with respect to this house relative to the neighboring moments.

992
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:31,010
particularly a lot too, which is a very small lot, and I like this house with tower over.

993
01:28:31,070 --> 01:28:36,570
It's beautiful design, but my initial impressions are that it's just too much for this size lot.

994
01:28:37,610 --> 01:28:38,350
Mr. Haranger.

995
01:28:40,650 --> 01:28:41,970
I'm going to upgrade too much.

996
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:51,510
Well, I'm sympathetic to corner lots when it comes to setbacks, because they suffer, because of it.

997
01:28:52,810 --> 01:28:55,690
I just think that the proposed bulkier is just overwhelmed.

998
01:28:55,690 --> 01:28:56,030
And

999
01:28:58,300 --> 01:28:59,600
again,

1000
01:29:02,710 --> 01:29:17,070
I was similar to Hoppin, I was looking forward to the planning testimony, but as I'm looking at it now, I understand the desire to keep the porch on the left because that's where the outdoor living space basically is going to be.

1001
01:29:17,650 --> 01:29:28,010
But along with Ms. Lakeley's observation, if the garage on the other side were less in the bulk because it would have the appearance of going down and the grading is such.

1002
01:29:28,010 --> 01:29:29,870
So I think that there were things

1003
01:29:29,870 --> 01:29:33,630
that could have been done to mitigate some of the bulk,

1004
01:29:33,710 --> 01:29:37,670
including reducing the size itself, that we're not done.

1005
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:40,070
So I think it's just overwhelming property.

1006
01:29:40,850 --> 01:29:43,510
But open to hearing, plain testimony, absolutely.

1007
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:46,920
Thank you very much, folks.

1008
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,240
So we'll ask the carrier without further notice

1009
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:50,240
to next place.

1010
01:29:50,820 --> 01:29:50,920
Please.

1011
01:29:51,700 --> 01:29:54,260
And may I ask what date that is?

1012
01:30:11,090 --> 01:30:20,230
Thank you very much. Thank you. Be careful with the storm that's coming. And any revised plans? 10 days? No, it's a great

1013
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:25,680
storm, come, is it real?

1014
01:30:48,190 --> 01:30:48,790
to break down?

1015
01:30:48,970 --> 01:30:49,430
We'll restart.

1016
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:50,410
You're on for it.

1017
01:30:52,420 --> 01:30:55,060
No, you can, I'm sure you can handle it from there.

1018
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:56,540
Just don't start from there.

1019
01:30:56,980 --> 01:30:57,100
There

1020
01:31:00,710 --> 01:31:01,210
are applications.

1021
01:31:01,770 --> 01:31:02,430
I can tell.

1022
01:31:02,650 --> 01:31:04,010
I can start when you second on the case.

1023
01:31:04,350 --> 01:31:06,030
No, you don't take anything new.

1024
01:31:06,430 --> 01:31:08,790
Hold on a second, hold on a second.

1025
01:31:09,150 --> 01:31:10,130
Hold on a second.

1026
01:31:10,410 --> 01:31:13,150
You don't take any new applications after 10.

1027
01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:20,050
And what I'm starting this application, I mean, unless this application goes in under 50

1028
01:31:20,050 --> 01:31:22,850
minutes, we're not going to get to the next application.

1029
01:31:22,850 --> 01:31:26,770
Certainly highly doubtful that such a poor application is going to work.

1030
01:31:26,850 --> 01:31:27,350
Is he okay?

1031
01:31:27,870 --> 01:31:30,750
And I'm going to announce at the end that you make that very true.

1032
01:31:30,890 --> 01:31:31,410
I'm going to slow.

1033
01:31:38,860 --> 01:31:39,660
How about this?

1034
01:31:45,820 --> 01:31:46,200
Yes.

1035
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,100
Kimmy, my little Timmy.

1036
01:31:50,140 --> 01:31:50,920
He's with us?

1037
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:51,800
He's with us?

1038
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:52,740
I don't want to say Timmy.

1039
01:31:53,020 --> 01:31:53,520
Yeah, that's it.

1040
01:31:54,020 --> 01:31:55,460
I'm going to say Timmy.

1041
01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:55,960
How about this?

1042
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:56,380
I'm going to say Timmy.

1043
01:31:56,820 --> 01:31:57,320
I'm going to say Timmy.

1044
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:57,780
I'm going to say Timmy.

1045
01:31:58,120 --> 01:31:59,560
I'm going to say Timmy.

1046
01:31:59,580 --> 01:32:00,480
I'm going to say Timmy.

1047
01:32:00,660 --> 01:32:01,200
I'm going to say Timmy.

1048
01:32:01,980 --> 01:32:06,960
I think that our kids aren't like, you know, I don't know what we're saying about this, but they're not kidding.

1049
01:32:15,140 --> 01:32:18,860
Do you want me to talk to you about this?

1050
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:24,660
Well, you can just leave it alone.

1051
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:26,640
Sorry

1052
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:40,290
about the delay, thank you.

1053
01:32:41,150 --> 01:32:43,230
Really, you mean, thanks a lot for the chair.

1054
01:32:43,490 --> 01:32:43,850
Thank you.

1055
01:32:44,670 --> 01:32:45,330
We've all of my stuff.

1056
01:32:49,130 --> 01:32:49,570
He

1057
01:32:57,310 --> 01:32:59,150
had a backup, now I have to unpack.

1058
01:33:05,060 --> 01:33:07,780
Oh, just to make sure we're on the road application here,

1059
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,740
we're dealing with application ZB26006,

1060
01:33:11,220 --> 01:33:13,980
Jan Richard White, 179th Center Avenue, right?

1061
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:14,540
That's correct.

1062
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,880
So I see Mr. Clessy here, is this everyone

1063
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:19,120
who's going to be providing testimony?

1064
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:20,620
Should I just swear a little bit?

1065
01:33:21,340 --> 01:33:21,560
Should I?

1066
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:21,940
Yes.

1067
01:33:22,540 --> 01:33:24,440
Everyone, please raise your right hands.

1068
01:33:25,180 --> 01:33:26,940
Can you swear or affirm the testimony

1069
01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:28,840
I mean, give to this board is he'll hold true.

1070
01:33:29,500 --> 01:33:29,620
Yes.

1071
01:33:30,300 --> 01:33:31,720
You stay in there and show the record

1072
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,660
and this will be a classic given business act.

1073
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:36,960
Jennifer White, one step and nine,

1074
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:38,140
center avenue of the challenge.

1075
01:33:39,020 --> 01:33:41,860
Richard White, and the center avenue of the challenge.

1076
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:45,640
Timothy Klesson, you may reach, I'm sure it will.

1077
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,720
And Mr. Klesson, you've been before the board

1078
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:49,760
quite a few times.

1079
01:33:51,340 --> 01:33:53,500
Unless anyone on the board is in the objections

1080
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:55,560
or needs to hear, we should qualify,

1081
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,480
Okay, tell us a little bit about it.

1082
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:02,140
I'm a licensed architect in New York, New Jersey.

1083
01:34:02,580 --> 01:34:03,700
I've been licensed for 30 years.

1084
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,500
I went to New Jersey Institute of Technology.

1085
01:34:08,710 --> 01:34:10,210
I've appeared in front of this board.

1086
01:34:10,350 --> 01:34:10,630
I don't know.

1087
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:12,950
30 times maybe.

1088
01:34:13,650 --> 01:34:15,190
And numerous other boards.

1089
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:19,750
Almost nation-wide.

1090
01:34:20,590 --> 01:34:21,550
I don't know a lot about that.

1091
01:34:22,230 --> 01:34:22,950
Everybody's retired.

1092
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:24,790
Seven of them.

1093
01:34:24,790 --> 01:34:30,650
But, um, so we've got to maybe up here with a lot of historic conditions for

1094
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:34,300
any objections

1095
01:34:34,300 --> 01:34:36,000
from my mom for you know?

1096
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,040
So, um, I'll turn it over to the applicant.

1097
01:34:41,060 --> 01:34:42,900
You can start a letter you'd like.

1098
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:48,440
I mean, normally it's helpful for the board to hear a little bit about the property while you're here

1099
01:34:48,440 --> 01:34:53,660
or what applications you're seeking and what's going on with the house, a little bit of background.

1100
01:34:53,940 --> 01:34:54,420
It's usually helpful.

1101
01:34:54,420 --> 01:34:57,260
Oh, certainly a good evening everyone.

1102
01:34:58,280 --> 01:34:59,420
Let me just briefly.

1103
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:28,700
I would say that Richard and I bought this home 20 years ago. When we bought this home, we purchased it from a gentleman who was selling it for his elderly mother. His mother was in her 90s at the time. He had been raised in the home. And she continued to live there when he went off and got married and had a family of his own. And now he was selling it to help her. And his one request was that we live in the home and we raise our family in the home.

1104
01:35:29,340 --> 01:35:40,720
And we have done that. Our daughter was three at the time. She is now 23 and is going to stay close by.

1105
01:35:40,860 --> 01:35:46,000
She's already gone to college and she's back and working in New York City, but she lives at the Ivy.

1106
01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:57,040
That was three. And while we've looked at other properties and things just for the sake of finding out what is available

1107
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:03,220
across in the community. But we really would like to stay where we are. And it makes

1108
01:36:03,220 --> 01:36:08,460
them modifications to our current properties so that we can stay here hopefully be close

1109
01:36:08,460 --> 01:36:12,400
to her and remain in this community that has been put there.

1110
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:13,200
So

1111
01:36:17,710 --> 01:36:21,390
they hired me. I guess. I'm going to fill in the blank.

1112
01:36:21,770 --> 01:36:23,050
What is it you're looking to do?

1113
01:36:23,390 --> 01:36:28,750
Okay so what I don't know if you had a chance to go by the house but it's you know 179th

1114
01:36:28,750 --> 01:37:01,410
center. It's block 69 on 34. It's in the R2 zone. It's a split level that I guess was built in the late 50s, you know, when all these splits kind of went in. And it's under construction because what we did is we designed that I don't know if you saw it, but I guess I'm going to go to my exhibit first. And then work backwards tonight. I think the mark this exhibit I guess is a one.

1115
01:37:01,410 --> 01:37:02,090
What

1116
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:04,820
is it?

1117
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,800
It's photos that I took off the site yesterday.

1118
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:17,440
And I did that to kind of just give you a sense of what's going on over there.

1119
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:23,720
What we did is we designed this house and we're trying to add space onto the first floor.

1120
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:29,440
And part of that reason is because, well, I guess all of us are getting older for me too.

1121
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,620
And they've decided that they want to stay in this house.

1122
01:37:34,620 --> 01:37:38,500
And so we try, we try to make this house go for the long term.

1123
01:37:38,780 --> 01:37:43,260
So instead of just doing the work in the house when the kids were little,

1124
01:37:43,260 --> 01:37:49,220
like, would be normal, I guess I'll say, in this case, we want to do the work now

1125
01:37:49,220 --> 01:37:50,740
because they've decided they're going to stay.

1126
01:37:52,460 --> 01:37:56,720
So we did a family room addition onto the back.

1127
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:02,760
We're doing a new kitchen and the idea is just to get a bigger kitchen and take

1128
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:09,180
at the existing dining room, move it into where the living room is presently, and then

1129
01:38:09,180 --> 01:38:13,520
get a family room on the back and build a screen porch.

1130
01:38:16,580 --> 01:38:22,820
And you know, this is Demony in the center where we're right back up to where we always

1131
01:38:22,820 --> 01:38:23,760
called the fresher.

1132
01:38:23,860 --> 01:38:27,020
I don't know, you know, or the swamp, you could call it Demony.

1133
01:38:27,380 --> 01:38:30,820
And the mosquitoes are horrible down there.

1134
01:38:30,820 --> 01:38:35,900
So the idea was to build the screen porch so they could sit outside in the screen porch.

1135
01:38:36,420 --> 01:38:39,660
Then what we found out is that we were actually over on building coverage.

1136
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:46,060
So what we did, so we could get things moving, is we said, okay, we're going to turn the screen

1137
01:38:46,060 --> 01:38:52,200
porch into a deck, apply for a variance, and apply for a building permit.

1138
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:57,440
So we got the building permit with the screen porch modified to a deck.

1139
01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:07,580
And now, the deck would be lot coverage, but not building coverage, but once I put a roof on the deck, it becomes building coverage.

1140
01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:15,380
So we took the roof off of the screen porch, applied for a building permit, and got the building permit.

1141
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:20,880
They're under construction. This photo is really yesterday in my A.

1142
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:27,720
a picture is the rear of the house, and you can see our family room addition and enlarging

1143
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:31,760
of the bathroom for the next to bed, for the primary bed.

1144
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:38,000
So to make sure I understand this, so you're under construction and currently what's going

1145
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,760
on is there's a deck being built, and you basically want to put a roof on it, and so.

1146
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,260
That's what we'd like to do, is put a roof on the deck.

1147
01:39:44,620 --> 01:39:49,600
And so that's what you were doing originally, and then you did someone turn a bed.

1148
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:50,580
Did you need a variance?

1149
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,280
Well, we found out relatively early on

1150
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,220
that we were going to be over an outing coverage.

1151
01:39:55,500 --> 01:39:57,400
Like, it wasn't a surprise, but okay.

1152
01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:59,660
But we, um...

1153
01:40:00,370 --> 01:40:14,390
We sort of, in lieu of making the family room smaller, we thought we should make the family room a reasonable size for them and seek a variance to put a roof over the deck.

1154
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:22,470
I mean, according to the calculation, I mean, you can go through calculations if you want to look at the variance or the request thing is about 200 feet over.

1155
01:40:22,590 --> 01:40:26,070
It's 200 to 5 feet, and that is exactly the size of the deck.

1156
01:40:29,220 --> 01:40:35,460
We also have to do in a front quarter card here, but the front quarter card was exempt because it's less than 30 square feet.

1157
01:40:36,260 --> 01:40:44,720
Something else happened at this site, also to some note, there's a shed in the back, and the shed is being counted in two more.

1158
01:40:46,900 --> 01:40:57,160
And even the screen porch counts into F-A-R. And with all of this work going on, we're

1159
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:07,100
still under by 896 square feet of F-A-R. This site is not,

1160
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:14,700
and I'm only saying that

1161
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:19,120
you want to put a roof over the deck because the mosquitoes are kind of a nightmare down there.

1162
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:26,360
So you can see my photo in which is the building under construction. My photo beaded. I just

1163
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:31,760
want you to get a look at the rear yard. This rear yard backs up to kind of where I guess

1164
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:37,620
the Christmas trees are where you dump the Christmas trees. That's what we're back enough to

1165
01:41:37,620 --> 01:41:43,260
back behind, don't have a new school. I don't know, did that the trees go? Okay. And then?

1166
01:41:43,540 --> 01:41:48,260
No, these have the multiviral, multiviral. The multiviral, multiviral. Yeah.

1167
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:56,460
Then, if I look at my photo, see, I only took this picture because this is a photo of the house to

1168
01:41:56,460 --> 01:42:04,740
the right. And this addition on the house to the right is approximately 4 feet further into the rear

1169
01:42:04,740 --> 01:42:12,200
your then our screen porch would dinner screen porches that's their deck is

1170
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:21,640
another you know 11 feet beyond that so I'm saying that our our porch if it

1171
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:28,900
was to be approved would be a prox is approximately there 4 feet in from where

1172
01:42:28,900 --> 01:42:32,200
this building is and I'm only saying that because I'm saying that we're not

1173
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:38,900
really going deeper into the rear. We're going actually less into the rear yard

1174
01:42:38,900 --> 01:42:43,380
than our neighbor. Yeah, to be clear, we don't have any issues with the rear yard set.

1175
01:42:43,540 --> 01:42:47,360
We have no issue at all. It looks like you've got plenty of room. We have a lot of room, yeah.

1176
01:42:47,700 --> 01:42:51,320
And then that's the existing front because we're doing a lot of other stuff to the house. We're

1177
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:57,660
residing, we're hitting a portico, we're updating the windows. I mean, we're not blowing the house

1178
01:42:57,660 --> 01:43:02,660
up we're leaving the height of the house the way it is but we're just fixing it

1179
01:43:02,660 --> 01:43:08,530
up because they've decided that the size of the house is actually perfect for them.

1180
01:43:10,010 --> 01:43:17,110
And then this last picture like E is from the street and that is looking down

1181
01:43:17,110 --> 01:43:22,970
the neighbors driveway to the left and that's the best shot I had to show you

1182
01:43:22,970 --> 01:43:29,050
sort of what you could see from the street because you can see the deck there

1183
01:43:29,050 --> 01:43:35,250
that are 10 foot projection of the deck that we're asking to cover. This is the

1184
01:43:35,250 --> 01:43:42,670
only place where I could actually see our screen porch a dish or a deck or a

1185
01:43:42,670 --> 01:43:45,930
screen porch addition from the road. Is that from Harvard Street?

1186
01:43:48,130 --> 01:43:48,790
Now this is the

1187
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:52,930
The neighbour is driveway, the neighbour directly to the left.

1188
01:43:54,650 --> 01:43:57,050
So with all that in mind, we're just going to run you through again.

1189
01:43:58,510 --> 01:44:04,330
Yeah, so we have this, and I have a question, can we pass this to the board?

1190
01:44:04,530 --> 01:44:04,850
I'm sorry.

1191
01:44:06,690 --> 01:44:10,030
I have a question about this variance thing.

1192
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:18,490
I totally understand the muscular part of it's, I'm actually very disappointed.

1193
01:44:18,490 --> 01:44:21,730
on it by the Christmas tree because I thought they were going back to Northport to make

1194
01:44:21,730 --> 01:44:22,010
toys.

1195
01:44:22,510 --> 01:44:23,370
All right.

1196
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:33,170
But for about the violence, it's kind of a core to ask for a variance when the Java has

1197
01:44:33,170 --> 01:44:33,730
already started.

1198
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:40,830
I totally understand the need because of the mosquitoes.

1199
01:44:41,330 --> 01:44:42,270
I mean, this is from the area.

1200
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:44,030
It's not really nice.

1201
01:44:44,030 --> 01:44:49,930
What are the consequences if you sell the house and not this house as a valiance?

1202
01:44:50,610 --> 01:44:57,750
Does he mean that somebody can just transform this deck into a virtual house?

1203
01:45:02,930 --> 01:45:32,350
No, I, you're saying maybe, maybe the solution. Yeah, I guess maybe that's why if the violence is approved. Okay. It's a variance. Our understanding is the violence to put to cover that deck so that deck is usable because of the mosquitoes. So you can actually put a screen and then that's all good. But if you sell the house, you know, something happened, you sell the house to more. The next one.

1204
01:45:32,350 --> 01:45:35,710
on, can with this variance just say, hey,

1205
01:45:36,050 --> 01:45:39,190
can just close and make this part of the house

1206
01:45:39,190 --> 01:45:40,750
and forget about the deck.

1207
01:45:46,270 --> 01:45:48,850
Isn't it essentially the same thing?

1208
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:53,410
Whether this is a screened in portrait or in closed room

1209
01:45:53,410 --> 01:45:55,570
with windows, is it what we're proofing?

1210
01:45:55,810 --> 01:45:56,550
Isn't it all the same thing?

1211
01:45:56,670 --> 01:45:57,990
Well, it's not he, isn't cool.

1212
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:59,070
It's not he, isn't cool.

1213
01:45:59,430 --> 01:46:00,950
It is different, it's a deck.

1214
01:46:00,950 --> 01:46:08,790
So maybe the solution would be part of the memorialization, it has to remain as a screen porch.

1215
01:46:09,190 --> 01:46:11,670
And it counts only 50% correct?

1216
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:17,350
No, Bob actually counted it 100% for FA.

1217
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:18,950
That's right. That's right.

1218
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:20,110
He did. It's already counted.

1219
01:46:20,270 --> 01:46:28,390
It is actually counted in FAO, and that's why I'm saying maybe it's better as part of the memorialization to control it.

1220
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:37,110
And they are significantly under on FAR, so it's already, it's counted as a hundred percent.

1221
01:46:37,850 --> 01:46:42,290
So my point earlier was that the building coverage in FAR, whether it's a screened and

1222
01:46:42,290 --> 01:46:52,390
porch or a room, it's all building, but if the board prefers to remore a lot as a condition

1223
01:46:52,390 --> 01:46:56,310
that, you know, this is what we're approving is a screened and porch and if they decide to

1224
01:46:56,310 --> 01:47:01,050
close up with windows and heating and cool would have been, would they have to come back

1225
01:47:01,050 --> 01:47:02,910
for other variants or...

1226
01:47:02,910 --> 01:47:08,630
I don't really, I just think that if you throw it, it's thinking that way up there.

1227
01:47:09,270 --> 01:47:11,070
It's already included in FAR.

1228
01:47:11,410 --> 01:47:12,790
It's already in FAR.

1229
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:16,490
The only way to control it, I think, would be part of the memorialization.

1230
01:47:18,530 --> 01:47:18,970
Yeah.

1231
01:47:20,710 --> 01:47:25,550
We have to discuss and think about that because I'm not sure whether it's worth it.

1232
01:47:27,650 --> 01:47:33,510
No, I don't think I'm not saying this to impose something, I don't want to be, I mean,

1233
01:47:33,610 --> 01:47:40,450
I totally, I totally believe, you're story and what you need, and that's fine, I just

1234
01:47:40,450 --> 01:47:45,930
don't want to put ourselves in a position where somebody may take advantage of it in the

1235
01:47:45,930 --> 01:47:50,930
future when, in the beginning, which is the genomics,

1236
01:47:53,150 --> 01:47:54,490
I just want to make sure that if we make

1237
01:47:54,490 --> 01:48:02,150
decision on this that we make a way decision and not an open door for something that we

1238
01:48:02,150 --> 01:48:02,610
will see.

1239
01:48:04,750 --> 01:48:07,570
It's already in a few hours, so it's going to be good.

1240
01:48:08,410 --> 01:48:10,930
It's in a few hours also, it's building coverage, yeah.

1241
01:48:12,730 --> 01:48:13,030
All right,

1242
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:18,220
so I'm just going to go on, I guess.

1243
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:27,000
So, the screen porch, the request is 205 square feet, the

1244
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:31,320
lock coverage itself would

1245
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:35,940
stay the same because the deck itself is already in lock coverage.

1246
01:48:36,980 --> 01:48:43,480
The lock coverage is actually pretty much at its max right now, I think it's just a

1247
01:48:43,480 --> 01:48:50,320
little bit under, but this site has a driveway and it's 1,335 square feet because the

1248
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,480
the driver comes down and wraps all the way around.

1249
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:55,920
And that's what's pushing the lot coverage to where it is.

1250
01:48:56,940 --> 01:49:01,040
The FAR is actually, even with the screen porch,

1251
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:05,600
and with the shed is under by 896 square feet.

1252
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:10,120
And a actual additional lot coverage

1253
01:49:10,120 --> 01:49:14,220
that we're requesting, or not requesting,

1254
01:49:14,220 --> 01:49:23,760
but with the addition and in the screen board or additional lot coverage on this project is

1255
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:30,500
only 264 square feet because you're removed a very large patio that was in the backyard as part

1256
01:49:30,500 --> 01:49:38,200
of the work. So we really are not sort of saturating the site. Other things really conformists.

1257
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:43,920
you know, our front yard coverage is way under. It's about half of what it could be. There's

1258
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:49,980
no request to make the driveway wider or do any of that kind of thing. Our building height is

1259
01:49:49,980 --> 01:49:58,720
allowable to be 35 feet. The building height on this building is 23 feet, which means that there's

1260
01:49:58,720 --> 01:49:59,980
So, 12 feet of...

1261
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:29,760
Is there a available height that they're not requesting tonight? And then just the only other thing is that the House immediately to the right, like if I'm looking at my site plan, this House, is the building itself is actually 4 feet deeper than our building if the screen porch wasn't placed. I think the size of the addition is kind of in scale to the neighborhood. If you'd like me to I can run you through the

1262
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:32,100
the answer to the plans or I can stop?

1263
01:50:34,850 --> 01:50:36,670
I don't want to go on forever.

1264
01:50:36,850 --> 01:50:39,650
I know you're getting laid on you.

1265
01:50:39,950 --> 01:50:41,910
Is there any questions or comments?

1266
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:43,710
Yeah, I have a question.

1267
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:51,910
So if you can close the deck or not, could you at some point

1268
01:50:51,910 --> 01:50:56,030
build upon the deck or go on, you know, or ex-givvy

1269
01:50:56,030 --> 01:50:57,970
underneath the deck to expand structure?

1270
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:58,530
Is it?

1271
01:50:58,530 --> 01:51:07,810
Is grant in this very it's going to allow that for the development to occur without, you know, another application like create a basement

1272
01:51:07,810 --> 01:51:10,030
basement or a secondary structure

1273
01:51:10,830 --> 01:51:13,970
on, you know, the second second level on top of the

1274
01:51:14,690 --> 01:51:16,370
Ed is second floor

1275
01:51:18,150 --> 01:51:19,590
I'm just looking to see what else

1276
01:51:19,590 --> 01:51:24,370
You probably would at that point add a second floor over this entire

1277
01:51:24,370 --> 01:51:30,250
here, wing of the house, because otherwise you couldn't get to away, you know what I mean?

1278
01:51:30,710 --> 01:51:36,610
Yeah, my concern is not necessarily this applicant, but the property itself for future

1279
01:51:36,610 --> 01:51:37,030
use.

1280
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:43,490
You know, if the applicant decides to sell next week, you know, with this granting, what

1281
01:51:43,490 --> 01:51:44,870
can be done with the variance?

1282
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:53,590
Well, you could, this site could take another 864 square feet of FAR.

1283
01:51:54,330 --> 01:51:56,450
That would be second floor space.

1284
01:51:56,890 --> 01:51:57,510
What's the square?

1285
01:51:58,370 --> 01:51:58,990
The first floor.

1286
01:52:02,010 --> 01:52:03,090
Which could be done?

1287
01:52:03,290 --> 01:52:03,890
What could you do this?

1288
01:52:04,330 --> 01:52:05,070
It doesn't go that way.

1289
01:52:05,150 --> 01:52:09,750
The existing, the existing first floor is 1,625.

1290
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:11,690
I just attacked the closed floor.

1291
01:52:12,210 --> 01:52:14,930
Oh, the 205 square feet.

1292
01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:20,310
But you couldn't just add the second floor there because you couldn't physically get to it.

1293
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:28,740
You would have to add a second floor over the living area you're in.

1294
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:34,880
I mean, is your question more along the line that the footing is there a foundation that's

1295
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:37,020
under the deck or is it just pilings?

1296
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:43,400
It's just pierced like it would have to be resupported and you would have to, you'd really have

1297
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:48,000
to tear the deck down if you were going to build it into some, I don't even think you

1298
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:49,940
We could build a room with an open bottom right.

1299
01:52:50,180 --> 01:52:51,900
So if this variance were granted,

1300
01:52:52,060 --> 01:52:54,380
we're granting a building coverage variance only.

1301
01:52:55,540 --> 01:52:58,380
But in reality, I guess they could tear it down,

1302
01:52:58,660 --> 01:52:59,980
and excavate the footprint.

1303
01:53:00,220 --> 01:53:00,820
It's a little awkward.

1304
01:53:01,180 --> 01:53:03,260
Because once they tear it down, they would lose the.

1305
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:06,000
This till a thousand square feet.

1306
01:53:06,700 --> 01:53:07,300
That's right.

1307
01:53:07,540 --> 01:53:10,380
Nine hundred square feet on the Florida Ray Ratio.

1308
01:53:10,500 --> 01:53:11,680
So there's plenty of.

1309
01:53:12,860 --> 01:53:13,820
There's a lot of room.

1310
01:53:14,020 --> 01:53:14,200
Yeah.

1311
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:21,080
You know, if you were going to, if somebody was going to do something on this site, they

1312
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,120
would probably build

1313
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:34,350
over the left side, you know, they'd still be, you know, way under

1314
01:53:34,350 --> 01:53:35,110
the building height.

1315
01:53:35,790 --> 01:53:38,350
It wouldn't actually even look awkward.

1316
01:53:38,350 --> 01:53:40,450
Well, awkward. I'd probably be at about

1317
01:53:42,610 --> 01:53:43,710
2728 feet off

1318
01:53:45,810 --> 01:53:46,930
And you know

1319
01:53:51,110 --> 01:53:51,570
Yeah,

1320
01:53:58,460 --> 01:54:03,540
like it wouldn't really I don't think you go I don't think there's anybody's in the go over an open porch because it's

1321
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:05,960
structurally not really secure

1322
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:08,560
You know, it's really built as a one-story

1323
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:12,720
open for charity. Like it's not peers, it's open.

1324
01:54:15,870 --> 01:54:19,230
What it makes sense is to just quickly walk through the first floor.

1325
01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:24,050
We are being asked to approve a variance of 200 people.

1326
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:27,850
What's going on in the first floor and whether it's there anyway?

1327
01:54:28,730 --> 01:54:31,830
If you can describe what's going on so you can determine what's going on.

1328
01:54:34,500 --> 01:54:38,560
I just flipped past the basement and I'm going to the first floor.

1329
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,120
Some of them might be able to reach you.

1330
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:46,080
You come in and

1331
01:54:48,100 --> 01:54:49,640
they almost be easier to do it up here.

1332
01:54:50,500 --> 01:54:52,740
Can you guys come in the front door?

1333
01:54:53,780 --> 01:54:57,420
The existing living room is being converted into a dining room.

1334
01:54:58,320 --> 01:54:59,880
We really got rid of the living room.

1335
01:55:02,620 --> 01:55:17,500
We turned that into a dining room, and then the existing kitchen was in this area. The existing dining room was here, right? That old layout right away. Living room, kitchen, dining room.

1336
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:23,720
A little way the existing dining room had just made it into a kitchen, and then we opened

1337
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:28,880
up to our family really in the back, and we put a fireplace in, that fireplace is now

1338
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:36,900
under construction, and then we come through a door to this deck that's 10 by 20, and that

1339
01:55:37,460 --> 01:55:44,480
deck is what we're asking to put a roof over it tonight, and put screens on it, to turn

1340
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:45,540
it into a screen porch.

1341
01:55:46,900 --> 01:55:51,140
Additionally to that, that's really where all of our work is occurring.

1342
01:55:51,940 --> 01:55:57,020
So now since this is a split, if I come back to the split, I walk up ahead of the flight,

1343
01:55:57,600 --> 01:56:04,340
I have two bedrooms sharing a whole bed, and then the primary bedroom,

1344
01:56:04,660 --> 01:56:12,100
and we've expanded that bed for about 4 by 10 feet, maybe 40 square feet,

1345
01:56:12,780 --> 01:56:16,900
and just read into that and try to make it all the way around.

1346
01:56:18,220 --> 01:56:21,920
Then, that's simple work on this floor.

1347
01:56:26,710 --> 01:56:28,190
So that's really it.

1348
01:56:29,390 --> 01:56:34,050
There's an existing drawing in here, which is like the mesh sheet.

1349
01:56:35,470 --> 01:56:35,990
You

1350
01:56:39,610 --> 01:56:40,770
know, maybe we don't have it.

1351
01:56:45,290 --> 01:56:46,810
It's going to be a way to set it up.

1352
01:56:47,370 --> 01:56:49,270
And you can see what I was saying here.

1353
01:56:49,270 --> 01:56:54,640
the walking front door, the visiting living room,

1354
01:56:55,780 --> 01:56:58,840
kind of a small kitchen, a small dining room,

1355
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:00,620
which we've actually moved,

1356
01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:02,520
and just made all the kitchen.

1357
01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:05,280
And we removed this large patio,

1358
01:57:05,820 --> 01:57:08,480
and built our canning room back here,

1359
01:57:08,780 --> 01:57:09,040
which is real,

1360
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:11,480
with this theme for the dining.

1361
01:57:12,220 --> 01:57:15,400
On all of that, the way we go out

1362
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:18,520
this less than the old patio was,

1363
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:24,340
It's a, we're a little shorter than any of those there.

1364
01:57:25,940 --> 01:57:30,780
And then, really, and then you can also see the bathroom

1365
01:57:30,780 --> 01:57:34,880
from the primary, which is really a 30-inch thing,

1366
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:39,040
a toilet tub, and we've just pushed it out

1367
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:41,000
just so that we could get to the sinks,

1368
01:57:41,740 --> 01:57:45,080
and we got a shower and a club and, you know, that.

1369
01:57:47,720 --> 01:57:53,520
So your initial plans had looked decked and as a result there was no variances, so you

1370
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:58,540
got your building permit and then as you were starting, as you were taking through the

1371
01:57:59,580 --> 01:58:06,250
project to get those and everything else going on, the decision was, hey, this would be more

1372
01:58:06,250 --> 01:58:08,410
useful to us as a screening course.

1373
01:58:08,670 --> 01:58:09,430
Revealing kind of.

1374
01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:14,910
And as a result of that, that's driving the variance and why you said in front of us today.

1375
01:58:14,910 --> 01:58:15,450
I'm

1376
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:20,640
sorry.

1377
01:58:20,940 --> 01:58:21,660
I'm sorry.

1378
01:58:21,660 --> 01:58:22,420
I'm sorry.

1379
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:27,880
And then just so this is like when you think of a traditional deck it's like or

1380
01:58:32,550 --> 01:58:32,870
like in

1381
01:58:32,870 --> 01:58:36,650
other words the floor underneath is open like if you spill water on it it's just go right

1382
01:58:36,650 --> 01:58:37,210
after the ground.

1383
01:58:37,910 --> 01:58:40,670
So it's not like a concrete or like no it's open.

1384
01:58:40,870 --> 01:58:41,270
Yeah.

1385
01:58:41,430 --> 01:58:42,410
It's really a deck.

1386
01:58:42,570 --> 01:58:42,930
That's right.

1387
01:58:42,930 --> 01:58:50,940
I mean it's not really in close of like in close of was a year year round building.

1388
01:58:51,220 --> 01:58:53,600
You'd have to add foundation.

1389
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:57,290
It's almost like you have to tear it down.

1390
01:58:57,390 --> 01:59:00,150
Once you tear it down, you wouldn't be grandfathered to do it.

1391
01:59:03,180 --> 01:59:06,160
I guess somebody would have said, I don't know how you can do that, right?

1392
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:07,260
Is that right?

1393
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:10,980
If we grant the variance, then some of it would tear it down the deck.

1394
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:12,660
Or the foundation.

1395
01:59:13,740 --> 01:59:14,620
Is that true?

1396
01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:16,920
Yeah, I think it would probably not tear it down.

1397
01:59:22,340 --> 01:59:24,300
How do you, how do you move the effect?

1398
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:28,640
It's almost like a nightmare, like it's kind of impossible.

1399
01:59:29,380 --> 01:59:31,760
I guess anything is possible, but it's

1400
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:32,640
a little bit awkward.

1401
01:59:36,210 --> 01:59:40,890
And the deck is less than 8 foot high. Put me? The deck is less than

1402
01:59:40,890 --> 01:59:42,930
8 foot high. Yes, it's 4 and a half feet.

1403
01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:51,320
Any other questions for Mr. Classy? Now that he's gone through the floor

1404
01:59:51,320 --> 01:59:51,780
please.

1405
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:29,980
Yes, so we had some comments in our Basel letter July 20, 19, 20, 26, up vertically. Put together, do you take any objection to complain with the items in our letter? No, all right. On the items dealt with the letter from the King of iron, environmental, the King of iron and some more than our offsite property wanted to keep it away. So we're just looking to have that letter up here.

1406
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:34,100
and then confirm a net improvement condition upon documentation

1407
02:00:34,500 --> 02:00:37,940
from whether NJDP as well as the permits for work

1408
02:00:37,940 --> 02:00:38,960
and that's what required.

1409
02:00:39,540 --> 02:00:41,840
As well as some of the other items which are

1410
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:45,980
technical comments, minor and major.

1411
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:48,580
Thank you.

1412
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:53,100
There's no other questions from the Board.

1413
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,380
Any members of the public who have any questions

1414
02:00:56,380 --> 02:00:57,440
for the architect?

1415
02:01:06,970 --> 02:01:08,230
Do you have anything else to present

1416
02:01:08,230 --> 02:01:09,570
or is that pretty much it?

1417
02:01:09,570 --> 02:01:10,690
No, I'm done.

1418
02:01:12,470 --> 02:01:13,590
Yes, I'm going to go.

1419
02:01:18,220 --> 02:01:20,420
Turning the application over for the board consideration

1420
02:01:20,420 --> 02:01:21,240
at this point?

1421
02:01:21,460 --> 02:01:22,020
Yes, OK.

1422
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:24,560
So I guess there are any members of the public.

1423
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:27,260
I'll actually put it first.

1424
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:28,920
Any members of the public have any comments

1425
02:01:28,920 --> 02:01:29,680
on the application?

1426
02:01:30,060 --> 02:01:30,920
I'm assuming not, OK.

1427
02:01:32,620 --> 02:01:34,260
So turn it over to the board.

1428
02:01:34,820 --> 02:01:35,760
We'll start over here in the last part.

1429
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:42,000
Yeah, I think it won't have any impact on anybody

1430
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:48,260
because it's in the back. I think it's in the city and I'm going to have to support the application.

1431
02:01:51,890 --> 02:01:54,710
Yep, but I'm going to put the same reasons and support the application.

1432
02:01:57,670 --> 02:02:04,090
The lower the level up there is the spikes. I think it's somewhat the minute it's getting it.

1433
02:02:04,750 --> 02:02:07,450
This doesn't have a lot, but the side of the dry way.

1434
02:02:12,890 --> 02:02:15,330
I have no additional commons and support the application.

1435
02:02:15,950 --> 02:02:20,030
Yeah, I mean, and I think it's a fairly reasonable ask.

1436
02:02:20,030 --> 02:02:23,970
at the 205 feet in the spare room in this, I think the main

1437
02:02:23,970 --> 02:02:27,190
mitigate started the location of the house with the woods

1438
02:02:27,930 --> 02:02:31,070
in the inverse recycling area, whatever's back there, but it's

1439
02:02:31,070 --> 02:02:33,870
not in, you know, there's no detriment to any neighboring properties

1440
02:02:33,870 --> 02:02:37,810
and it's a fairly reasonable ask, so I'm okay with it.

1441
02:02:39,570 --> 02:02:42,750
So with that, I don't think there are any

1442
02:02:43,550 --> 02:02:45,470
conditions we have to reiterate.

1443
02:02:50,890 --> 02:02:54,500
That was it.

1444
02:02:56,180 --> 02:02:59,540
So I'll entertain a motion to approve the application.

1445
02:02:59,860 --> 02:03:01,720
I'll make the motion for the second.

1446
02:03:02,340 --> 02:03:02,700
Second.

1447
02:03:09,720 --> 02:03:11,420
Mr. Herriger called the roll.

1448
02:03:13,590 --> 02:03:14,550
Mr. Hoffman.

1449
02:03:16,190 --> 02:03:16,470
Yes.

1450
02:03:17,310 --> 02:03:18,830
Mr. Herriger's yes.

1451
02:03:19,210 --> 02:03:21,570
Mr. Pabit's a success.

1452
02:03:24,030 --> 02:03:24,190
Yes.

1453
02:03:24,190 --> 02:03:25,810
Yes, Mr. Thana.

1454
02:03:26,250 --> 02:03:26,410
Yes.

1455
02:03:33,110 --> 02:03:33,610
Congratulations.

1456
02:03:33,770 --> 02:03:34,110
Thank you.

1457
02:03:34,410 --> 02:03:35,970
I wanted you to say a proof.

1458
02:03:38,170 --> 02:03:38,330
Okay,

1459
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:57,810
so the

1460
02:04:03,990 --> 02:04:08,570
next step is applications in the 26-012,

1461
02:04:09,530 --> 02:04:12,670
GMMID, Sean Montgomery, to discuss exactly where you're going.

1462
02:04:13,430 --> 02:04:14,370
President, ready?

1463
02:04:41,780 --> 02:04:42,280
Which one?

1464
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:44,600
What's that one?

1465
02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:47,900
Two suspects at the end.

1466
02:05:05,230 --> 02:05:09,710
Just everyone who's come to provide testimony here.

1467
02:05:12,410 --> 02:05:15,170
One cell or everyone to provide testimony

1468
02:05:15,170 --> 02:05:19,450
if you want to stand, raise your right hand and the board attorney's where you in.

1469
02:05:19,450 --> 02:05:21,070
Let's come forward to the microphones.

1470
02:05:22,670 --> 02:05:24,750
General, you've got a second raise.

1471
02:05:25,710 --> 02:05:26,890
Could you come closer to the mic?

1472
02:05:27,790 --> 02:05:28,270
Yeah.

1473
02:05:28,830 --> 02:05:29,590
Oh, yeah.

1474
02:05:29,850 --> 02:05:29,970
Sorry.

1475
02:05:31,710 --> 02:05:32,270
All right.

1476
02:05:32,670 --> 02:05:36,190
Do you swear or throw the testimony you'll give to this board?

1477
02:05:36,190 --> 02:05:36,930
It's a whole truth.

1478
02:05:37,610 --> 02:05:38,010
What do you do?

1479
02:05:38,710 --> 02:05:39,650
Please state your name.

1480
02:05:40,530 --> 02:05:41,790
My name is Sean Martian.

1481
02:05:41,970 --> 02:05:43,870
I'm the architect for this applicant.

1482
02:05:47,980 --> 02:05:50,300
Tonya Marion, a third planner.

1483
02:05:50,300 --> 02:05:50,880
I'm

1484
02:05:54,500 --> 02:05:56,080
a summary resident.

1485
02:05:56,500 --> 02:05:56,640
I

1486
02:05:59,170 --> 02:06:00,890
think I'm very glad you had two Sussex.

1487
02:06:01,690 --> 02:06:01,850
Great.

1488
02:06:02,210 --> 02:06:02,570
Everyone.

1489
02:06:04,190 --> 02:06:08,190
Maybe start with the applicant, as we did before,

1490
02:06:08,370 --> 02:06:11,430
just explaining a little bit about, you know,

1491
02:06:11,530 --> 02:06:13,130
what challenges you're facing with the home,

1492
02:06:13,290 --> 02:06:15,690
what you're looking to do, what challenges you're looking to create,

1493
02:06:16,010 --> 02:06:16,350
so on.

1494
02:06:20,360 --> 02:06:20,460
Yeah.

1495
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:24,900
First of all, thank you to the board for hearing our story here.

1496
02:06:25,620 --> 02:06:28,080
Residents of two Sussex since 2021.

1497
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:35,740
one since that day we've had the opportunity to welcome three wonderful little boys into

1498
02:06:35,740 --> 02:06:44,320
our life. The house at the time which was one to three bedrooms was suitable, however

1499
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:49,820
with such a growing family and three lot of boys we are finding ourselves in need of more

1500
02:06:49,820 --> 02:06:57,200
bedroom space. And so with an existing structure that exists on the first floor we felt

1501
02:06:57,200 --> 02:07:01,760
That's a great opportunity for us to expand above without taking advantage of any more

1502
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:06,480
of the property space, the art, et cetera, until we find ourselves here today, asking

1503
02:07:10,260 --> 02:07:10,440
to

1504
02:07:10,440 --> 02:07:15,520
you a great if you could maybe start with making the variances that are being requested

1505
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:15,940
in mind.

1506
02:07:16,220 --> 02:07:16,740
Yeah.

1507
02:07:17,080 --> 02:07:21,180
So my name is Sean Martian, I'm the architect.

1508
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:25,260
We're asking for poor variances here on this site.

1509
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:28,660
The site is a corner law, is an undersized law.

1510
02:07:28,660 --> 02:07:34,240
We're asking for two side variances, one of them is on SX road, which is technically

1511
02:07:35,300 --> 02:07:42,880
another front yard, and the other one is the back of the house on from SX road.

1512
02:07:43,580 --> 02:07:48,760
The other two variances is for the floor area, the maximum floor area, and for the FAR,

1513
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:57,780
Although we're only asking for like 1.3% increase, which is also, as you

1514
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:05,820
know, within

1515
02:08:05,820 --> 02:08:05,980
the

1516
02:08:12,060 --> 02:08:19,220
numbers out, so we've got one, two, we have five, so, I mean, we have a couple of

1517
02:08:19,220 --> 02:08:19,500
options.

1518
02:08:19,740 --> 02:08:27,880
I mean, the one is to proceed and present the application and see where we have, before

1519
02:08:27,880 --> 02:08:35,420
or we get the application given the hour if we're wrapped up and the vibes are positive.

1520
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:38,640
We can go to a vote if you're confident that you're going to get all five votes.

1521
02:08:39,260 --> 02:08:45,160
If not, we can carry it and have the members who are absent review the tapes and sign an

1522
02:08:45,160 --> 02:08:49,400
affidavit saying that they're all called up on the application and they're eligible to vote

1523
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:50,840
and we just take the vote next time.

1524
02:08:53,780 --> 02:08:57,660
If you're not comfortable with any of that, you can carry that out and you can present the

1525
02:08:57,660 --> 02:08:59,000
entire application next time.

1526
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,080
I thought I missed any option to take.

1527
02:09:01,260 --> 02:09:04,060
Okay, and it's totally up to you.

1528
02:09:04,260 --> 02:09:05,340
What you're comfortable doing,

1529
02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:07,180
that we would like to present to please.

1530
02:09:07,220 --> 02:09:07,440
Okay.

1531
02:09:07,740 --> 02:09:08,980
I make a wish to take something.

1532
02:09:09,140 --> 02:09:11,600
And I get it when you have your professionals here,

1533
02:09:11,900 --> 02:09:14,480
totally understanding that it's up to you and something.

1534
02:09:15,220 --> 02:09:18,680
Yeah, so this is a very straightforward, simple project.

1535
02:09:19,220 --> 02:09:20,380
We're not asking for any,

1536
02:09:21,580 --> 02:09:24,320
we're building only on top of the existing condition,

1537
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:26,860
we're not building on top of the entire first floor,

1538
02:09:26,860 --> 02:09:32,140
only one portion the entire addition is about 300 square feet it's just one

1539
02:09:32,140 --> 02:09:34,420
master bedroom that we're adding I

1540
02:09:43,610 --> 02:09:45,250
try to be as clear as possible with my

1541
02:09:45,250 --> 02:09:49,570
drawings we show everything existing in gray the dash line that you see is

1542
02:09:49,570 --> 02:09:54,690
just how we calculated the FAR so I usually have existing and proposed layout this

1543
02:09:54,690 --> 02:09:58,770
is the existing basement we're not proposing anything so there is no

1544
02:09:58,770 --> 02:09:59,910
properly up for the base.

1545
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:40,920
Existing and proposed first floor. As you can see right now on the first floor we have a living room and office. And just from looking at the fireplace, you can see it's offside. The office was added probably at some time previously in the past, but you can see how it doesn't fit in this space. Beside removing the office and bringing back the living room to its original condition, we're not making any changes.

1546
02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:46,600
on this floor either. So, on the first, on the first, will they do change? No, to the outside?

1547
02:10:47,080 --> 02:10:47,260
No.

1548
02:10:57,610 --> 02:11:04,090
The second floor, you can see in black what we're changing. So, we had three bedrooms and two

1549
02:11:04,090 --> 02:11:11,810
bathrooms before. We're using, we're utilizing the larger bedroom. We split into a bedroom and an

1550
02:11:11,810 --> 02:11:19,270
office and then we're adding the addition here, that's the master. You'll see that we didn't go

1551
02:11:19,270 --> 02:11:25,150
So above the dining room here, we kept the, we've been to variances before in this town

1552
02:11:25,150 --> 02:11:30,250
and we understand every square feet matters in terms of AR.

1553
02:11:30,710 --> 02:11:36,950
So we try to minimize it as much as possible and just be proactive and go for a modest

1554
02:11:36,950 --> 02:11:38,290
ask in here.

1555
02:11:38,290 --> 02:11:39,170
In

1556
02:11:51,170 --> 02:12:00,190
terms of exterior design, the front and the front is not changing at all.

1557
02:12:01,090 --> 02:12:05,510
The side is where we add in that second floor above this area.

1558
02:12:06,110 --> 02:12:10,470
And you can see we kept one floor where the dining room is.

1559
02:12:11,550 --> 02:12:19,770
And that's the second street yard which is facing the street elevation.

1560
02:12:19,770 --> 02:12:24,630
is the one facing the street, and that one facing the street not changing, we're not changing

1561
02:12:24,630 --> 02:12:31,890
the height. I think the aesthetic is still really good. We can erase the chimney to match

1562
02:12:31,890 --> 02:12:35,470
the addition, and that's all we're asking for tonight.

1563
02:12:37,820 --> 02:12:39,100
I conclude my testimony.

1564
02:12:40,660 --> 02:12:48,280
I mean, so to summarize, basically, everything driving this variance request is upstairs.

1565
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:52,080
second floor pushing out all over the first floor, but

1566
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:00,100
that's essentially all of it.

1567
02:13:01,060 --> 02:13:07,700
So you could be going from three bedrooms to four bedrooms, and in

1568
02:13:11,020 --> 02:13:11,640
terms of

1569
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:16,540
master bedroom

1570
02:13:16,540 --> 02:13:17,420
that's being added.

1571
02:13:17,660 --> 02:13:21,040
I mean, there's a bathroom that looks like there's a closet there.

1572
02:13:23,650 --> 02:13:30,260
You could talk a little bit about my question really, would you describe what's being added

1573
02:13:30,260 --> 02:13:39,840
as oversized or is it, you know, in terms of the dimensions, is it pretty standard in terms of open rooms look like nowadays or is it?

1574
02:13:40,120 --> 02:13:45,380
So if you notice that we're not even having a walk-in closet, which we see in a lot of like...

1575
02:13:45,380 --> 02:13:46,780
So that X-back there is not a closet?

1576
02:13:46,980 --> 02:13:49,560
No, no, that's the shower.

1577
02:13:50,280 --> 02:13:56,960
Yeah, and where the shower and the bed area will probably expect a lower headroom over there because the roof is sloping down.

1578
02:13:56,960 --> 02:14:04,740
So that's a lower headroom. It's still about seven feet if I'm not mistaken, but that's where the roof goes up.

1579
02:14:05,300 --> 02:14:09,560
So that also eats in into the value of the addition.

1580
02:14:10,360 --> 02:14:17,080
And we're not asking for a live-ish master bedroom or a huge walk-in closet.

1581
02:14:17,380 --> 02:14:19,560
They actually can have only typical closets.

1582
02:14:19,560 --> 02:14:25,040
And I've designed a lot of other houses where they have a much bigger master bedroom, almost

1583
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:26,600
the double the size of this.

1584
02:14:28,020 --> 02:14:35,700
This is about only 300 square feet and it has a unique shape we want and the other option

1585
02:14:35,700 --> 02:14:41,020
is to push it back, but then it would affect that exterior in a very bad way.

1586
02:14:41,200 --> 02:14:47,800
It wouldn't match because we have that like, you know, chaffered corner and we want to

1587
02:14:47,800 --> 02:14:54,540
keep it the same way going up we thought it's a modest addition we didn't

1588
02:14:54,540 --> 02:14:59,520
go like we could have gone above this area and asked for a larger walking

1589
02:14:59,520 --> 02:14:59,860
in the clause.

1590
02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:24,960
Yes, I actually have a question about this. I do understand the need, and this is a question for you guys. Normally, I'm not supposed to ask this type of question, but I find it pretty reasonable what you're asking, but do you short yourself, because you were afraid that you're not going to get it?

1591
02:15:28,100 --> 02:15:30,540
Do you short yourself on what you're asking?

1592
02:15:35,540 --> 02:15:46,840
I don't think it would look on the side of the house, it would just be a flat, like long house, and I don't think it would aesthetically one look nice on the corner and two it wouldn't match what the other houses are.

1593
02:15:47,420 --> 02:15:54,240
So to have some, I don't know if it would be aggressive or lineage in the house, it would look better.

1594
02:15:54,240 --> 02:16:01,900
So you're like the way we're on the outside, but the reason I'm asking is because I do find your closet pretty small.

1595
02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:05,400
And is it something that's going to serve you?

1596
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:14,120
The thing that I don't, personally, I don't think it's right is that if you're afraid that you to ask for something because you're afraid you're not going to get it,

1597
02:16:14,120 --> 02:16:20,680
But you show to yourself and that thing is not really going to work for you because because it's too short to small.

1598
02:16:21,460 --> 02:16:26,380
And I personally think that what it's right is right and if you need it, you need it.

1599
02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:31,740
Which is different that if you want something because I mean, you should answer what I mean.

1600
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:40,720
And I just want to make sure that you're going to make a decision tonight that is the right decision for the right ass and this house going to work properly.

1601
02:16:41,480 --> 02:16:42,100
So what

1602
02:16:47,900 --> 02:16:51,820
we have now, stored wise, it'll actually be better because it slopes down in our

1603
02:16:51,820 --> 02:16:58,660
closet so I'll actually be able to get boxes on the top, but I don't need a big walk

1604
02:16:58,660 --> 02:16:59,160
in closet.

1605
02:16:59,600 --> 02:16:59,800
Okay.

1606
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:03,400
I mean, love it, but I don't need the extra space to just add.

1607
02:17:05,520 --> 02:17:10,760
The walkway as you walk back towards the bedroom is literally our closet today and it suits

1608
02:17:10,760 --> 02:17:11,800
us perfectly fine.

1609
02:17:11,980 --> 02:17:16,280
It's taking advantage of some of the closet space in my sun's room too, so technically

1610
02:17:16,280 --> 02:17:21,880
speaking it's more storage space than we would even have right now. So I'm going to say that you need

1611
02:17:21,880 --> 02:17:29,600
the use closet but I see closets in size of a bedroom. Yeah, no, no. Okay. Thank you.

1612
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:37,520
Keeps our spending under control on closets. No,

1613
02:17:42,010 --> 02:17:45,250
no, no, please. Yeah, so looks like you're carrying

1614
02:17:45,250 --> 02:17:52,550
that. Why chimney all the way up? Yes. Is there a particular reason why you're doing that?

1615
02:17:52,730 --> 02:17:58,070
I would give it a thought stepping it, making it more narrow because chimney. Yeah, it could

1616
02:17:58,070 --> 02:18:05,550
be. Yeah, so and it's high. So we have either an option to get either higher. Yeah, it's either going to

1617
02:18:05,550 --> 02:18:11,250
get higher with the same width or we can reduce it. That's an option we can definitely entertain.

1618
02:18:11,250 --> 02:18:12,350
I think it's like

1619
02:18:15,100 --> 02:18:16,860
the effect of the neighbourhood.

1620
02:18:19,160 --> 02:18:19,440
I agree.

1621
02:18:20,540 --> 02:18:24,520
Do you have a little bit of what the dimension will do?

1622
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:25,840
Of the bedroom?

1623
02:18:26,420 --> 02:18:27,540
Of the chimney.

1624
02:18:28,740 --> 02:18:29,520
Of the chimney?

1625
02:18:30,220 --> 02:18:38,580
I don't have it, but I can estimate it's about four feet wide by like two feet.

1626
02:18:41,090 --> 02:18:46,890
Would you try to keep it the way it is right now on the plans?

1627
02:18:46,890 --> 02:18:53,010
But I don't think that would affect the variance if we reduce it to two by two feet. We can do that too

1628
02:18:55,260 --> 02:19:00,860
Yeah, I think they make it as wide as the fireplace at the bottom and that's that's how it's they start

1629
02:19:00,860 --> 02:19:05,140
Started wide, so we kept it with the same way

1630
02:19:07,560 --> 02:19:09,000
Five feet maybe

1631
02:19:23,970 --> 02:19:25,750
On sheet one, the two.

1632
02:19:26,090 --> 02:19:30,490
Did you, on the proposed second floor plan, did you chime in this appeal?

1633
02:19:32,010 --> 02:19:33,270
Did the chimney disappear?

1634
02:19:34,010 --> 02:19:40,770
Oh, yeah, it's, yeah, maybe it's a layer that was tell of it, it should be there.

1635
02:19:42,410 --> 02:19:43,810
It's shown on the elevations.

1636
02:19:51,550 --> 02:19:56,010
I got a question on the, when you have to touch on the right, I'm looking at 82 hundred.

1637
02:19:56,010 --> 02:19:59,970
So, the rate elevation here is...

1638
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:26,420
Working up pretty nicely with the windows. You have the chimney. You've got a little bit of a notch out there on the left elevation. It's wondering, you know, something we tend to just break up. There's two harsh sections of just straight, but it appears to be straight wall. I think this would be facing one of the neighboring properties. This is in from the corner. The right elevation. I'm looking at the left elevation.

1639
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:31,300
The left elevation here. It's facing the neighbors.

1640
02:20:31,300 --> 02:20:41,440
So, question on the architectural level, if there is something that can be done to just make me break up that front wall, I'm not sure

1641
02:20:41,440 --> 02:20:49,680
whether the visibility would be from the street, so it doesn't look like it's just a giant structure there.

1642
02:20:56,310 --> 02:21:06,170
I mean, that the existing building was up to here only right now with the first floor, so we only add in this portion of it.

1643
02:21:06,170 --> 02:21:12,870
I know it looks like one big giant wall, but it's not going to be visible from any point

1644
02:21:12,870 --> 02:21:18,170
of view, except if they never decide to open their bathroom window and look at it.

1645
02:21:18,170 --> 02:21:23,070
Did the planes involved touching this exterior at all?

1646
02:21:23,430 --> 02:21:25,890
No, we're keeping the same style, the same stuff, so exciting.

1647
02:21:26,110 --> 02:21:27,670
Yeah, we're just adding to it.

1648
02:21:28,470 --> 02:21:32,730
We're not changing any of the architectural design aesthetics.

1649
02:21:32,730 --> 02:21:33,250
Yeah,

1650
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:39,120
it might have been more of an opportunity if there was a whole cell, you know.

1651
02:21:40,520 --> 02:21:47,600
And we also have a plan out to testify about, you know, plan fact on that ever heard.

1652
02:21:53,240 --> 02:22:00,180
On your existing dining room, it looks like a, so on your existing first floor plan,

1653
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:03,220
the

1654
02:22:03,220 --> 02:22:09,160
dining room is lined up with the same line as the living room, and on your picture of no

1655
02:22:09,160 --> 02:22:15,320
side. He appeared that the dining room is acting recessed. Is there recessed or is it just an illusion?

1656
02:22:17,180 --> 02:22:24,500
The dining room, so the... On the picture, it looks like the on the outside is recessed. The first

1657
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:32,900
on this place to plan on this picture between

1658
02:22:35,360 --> 02:22:39,500
the main house and the dining room

1659
02:22:39,500 --> 02:22:48,280
it looks like it's recessed it's flat so that's going to be one more one continuation

1660
02:22:48,280 --> 02:22:52,620
it doesn't look it's not going to look like you know about the dining room we're

1661
02:22:52,620 --> 02:22:58,500
building the first floor. No, the first floor, yeah. It's one wall. There's

1662
02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:07,140
nothing happening on the first floor now. There's no building at the right.

1663
02:23:07,400 --> 02:23:14,400
But at the right side, the floor and this floor align up on the same plan. There's no...

1664
02:23:14,400 --> 02:23:19,070
It looks like it's back over here.

1665
02:23:22,550 --> 02:23:26,850
It's just probably a line of different siding over something between the two.

1666
02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:42,080
And you can see it on the survey also, just one line.

1667
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:42,480
Okay.

1668
02:23:46,860 --> 02:23:53,560
But the end is going to look one whole house and note a house from an extension and an extension is being done on one.

1669
02:23:56,940 --> 02:23:59,860
There are any other questions that are going to be architect?

1670
02:24:03,000 --> 02:24:06,480
just referring to the early 20th of the 20th, 2026,

1671
02:24:06,900 --> 02:24:08,980
the causal letter, the paragraph currently.

1672
02:24:11,460 --> 02:24:14,780
Under, common number two was the number of nonconformative

1673
02:24:14,780 --> 02:24:15,400
conditions.

1674
02:24:17,100 --> 02:24:19,920
Under two E it just noted that

1675
02:24:21,320 --> 02:24:24,580
variants required for left and through side yard 12 fingers

1676
02:24:24,580 --> 02:24:27,220
required the nonconformative setback,

1677
02:24:27,220 --> 02:24:35,620
which was approved by the variance at 7.6 feet, the survey, and then the additions may

1678
02:24:35,620 --> 02:24:42,120
extend vertically. This one does discrepancy, which means prior sugar is set back to 7.6

1679
02:24:42,120 --> 02:24:47,780
feet and current survey figure of 7.5, which they have noted in the overwhelming table if they

1680
02:24:47,780 --> 02:24:49,440
need a variance of 7.5 feet.

1681
02:24:52,040 --> 02:24:56,640
And then also after, again, they're extending vertically,

1682
02:24:57,180 --> 02:24:59,740
Second floor addition, and the cancels are 25.9.

1683
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:06,540
The setback for third feet is required, ordinance is not provided for the second floor extensions

1684
02:25:06,540 --> 02:25:13,640
about the form of setbacks. They did note that variance, which is one that clarified that for the record. And then the other item,

1685
02:25:13,640 --> 02:25:23,100
number three, in the photographs, I get to indicate that a lot of screen for existing rooms in the generator was shown in the Essex front and

1686
02:25:24,780 --> 02:25:28,340
The current plans do not show that, so we'll just provide testimony.

1687
02:25:29,660 --> 02:25:32,560
There's a lot of going through the name, there's a lot of going through the road.

1688
02:25:34,620 --> 02:25:38,020
The last is there when we bought the house, and we just, I don't leave it.

1689
02:25:38,680 --> 02:25:41,100
So it's an agreement, all right, so we just note that on the plan.

1690
02:25:41,360 --> 02:25:41,560
Okay.

1691
02:25:44,680 --> 02:25:45,200
Thank you.

1692
02:25:48,660 --> 02:25:51,500
Any final questions from the board for the architect?

1693
02:25:54,300 --> 02:25:55,740
I think looking

1694
02:25:57,760 --> 02:26:02,100
forward to the planning testimony given, you know,

1695
02:26:02,680 --> 02:26:04,500
This neighborhood is a very tight one.

1696
02:26:04,680 --> 02:26:06,760
We've got side yard setback issues here.

1697
02:26:07,060 --> 02:26:10,840
And I think a lot of the reports

1698
02:26:10,840 --> 02:26:13,620
consideration will hinge upon the planning testimony.

1699
02:26:13,900 --> 02:26:17,200
And in my opinion, so if you have nothing else,

1700
02:26:17,440 --> 02:26:19,220
then we'll move on.

1701
02:26:20,460 --> 02:26:20,660
Yeah.

1702
02:26:21,240 --> 02:26:21,800
I'm good.

1703
02:26:22,440 --> 02:26:24,780
The plan or this here should be getting just fine.

1704
02:26:29,900 --> 02:26:32,460
You put up the virtual presentation.

1705
02:27:19,620 --> 02:27:20,060
And what was this?

1706
02:27:20,220 --> 02:27:20,580
Is that OK?

1707
02:27:21,140 --> 02:27:22,320
Yeah, you could take that down.

1708
02:27:22,940 --> 02:27:23,460
Could

1709
02:27:31,870 --> 02:27:35,070
you please give me your name against it?

1710
02:27:35,150 --> 02:27:36,910
Yep, Tanya, Maryone.

1711
02:27:38,470 --> 02:27:39,270
I-O-N-E.

1712
02:27:39,270 --> 02:27:39,370
I-O-N-E.

1713
02:27:40,510 --> 02:27:43,470
So I've actually appeared before those four, three times before.

1714
02:27:44,030 --> 02:27:46,730
But my license are still current, A-I-C-P,

1715
02:27:47,070 --> 02:27:48,650
and my professional planning license.

1716
02:27:50,090 --> 02:27:51,550
Anyone have any issues or

1717
02:27:53,730 --> 02:27:55,290
internal planning?

1718
02:27:55,710 --> 02:27:55,810
Yeah.

1719
02:27:56,570 --> 02:27:58,990
Well, chiefs pay for professional credentials.

1720
02:27:59,250 --> 02:27:59,890
So you're qualified.

1721
02:28:00,150 --> 02:28:00,790
You're good to go.

1722
02:28:01,050 --> 02:28:01,330
Thank you.

1723
02:28:02,910 --> 02:28:08,210
So, on the first and second slide, you'll see that the property is on the southwest

1724
02:28:08,210 --> 02:28:13,670
corner, the intersection of Sussex and Essex in the R3 zone, you can pop down to the

1725
02:28:13,670 --> 02:28:14,450
second slide.

1726
02:28:14,770 --> 02:28:15,250
I

1727
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:20,360
think you just, if you just, I'd just be able to press the arrow.

1728
02:28:21,160 --> 02:28:21,840
Yep, perfect.

1729
02:28:22,360 --> 02:28:24,480
We're in the R3 zone, next slide.

1730
02:28:26,890 --> 02:28:31,890
So the site is actually a quarter of a mile away from Washington Avenue Elementary School

1731
02:28:31,890 --> 02:28:35,310
and a half mile away from the Chatham train station.

1732
02:28:35,730 --> 02:28:36,230
Next slide.

1733
02:28:37,150 --> 02:28:38,770
As you've already heard extensively,

1734
02:28:39,150 --> 02:28:43,110
the applicant is proposing a 313 square foot addition

1735
02:28:43,110 --> 02:28:44,970
to the second floor that will be

1736
02:28:44,970 --> 02:28:47,430
on the top of the existing first floor structure

1737
02:28:47,430 --> 02:28:48,670
where the family room is.

1738
02:28:49,170 --> 02:28:53,050
The building is currently 3358 square feet

1739
02:28:53,050 --> 02:28:54,010
three bedroom house.

1740
02:28:54,490 --> 02:28:56,110
The addition creates a fourth bedroom

1741
02:28:56,110 --> 02:28:59,510
and a total square footage of 3,671.

1742
02:28:59,510 --> 02:29:04,130
So the proposal also will include interior renovations, slide five.

1743
02:29:06,810 --> 02:29:11,730
On the ground floor, the existing office is being removed so that the living room can

1744
02:29:11,730 --> 02:29:17,050
be expanded and on the second floor, the current largest bedroom will be reduced in

1745
02:29:17,050 --> 02:29:19,910
size to allow for the relocation of the office.

1746
02:29:20,530 --> 02:29:25,390
Bedroom two will also be reduced in size to create a communal storage room and the addition

1747
02:29:25,390 --> 02:29:29,270
of a fourth bedroom, the master bedroom, slide six.

1748
02:29:32,040 --> 02:29:34,560
So I want to address the issues that were listed in the report.

1749
02:29:34,920 --> 02:29:41,180
Yes, there are four new ones that we have addressed already, but the planners report actually

1750
02:29:41,180 --> 02:29:42,120
lists 11.

1751
02:29:42,760 --> 02:29:46,920
I would say that reality is that there are nine, but I'll go through some of them.

1752
02:29:47,420 --> 02:29:54,280
The four newly created ones are the four area ratio, again, to go from the 2,352 square

1753
02:29:54,280 --> 02:29:59,980
feet to the 2,600 square feet where the maximum allowable is only 2,500 feet.

1754
02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:11,740
And the FAR ratio from 34 to 38.6, and the maximum is 37.3. The signyard is broken down into

1755
02:30:11,740 --> 02:30:17,720
replant or report into four different variances. Two are the existing non-conformities, right?

1756
02:30:17,800 --> 02:30:24,000
So you've got the interior side yard and the exterior side yard on Essex. The exterior

1757
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:28,800
The rear side yard and our net six because it's a corner lot is actually required to be 30 feet.

1758
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:36,900
The front of the building is 15 so that's the most narrow portion and then the rear where we're proposing is 29.

1759
02:30:37,640 --> 02:30:40,560
So the other side, of course, is the seven and a half feet.

1760
02:30:40,880 --> 02:30:45,980
These are all existing so your plan is your port list to existing non-conformities and

1761
02:30:45,980 --> 02:30:51,420
because we are creating a second floor vertical addition, even though they are exactly in line with it.

1762
02:30:51,420 --> 02:30:54,760
Those are two new side yard variances that are created.

1763
02:30:59,460 --> 02:31:04,320
So the existing other non-conformities, sorry.

1764
02:31:05,660 --> 02:31:06,760
I didn't need to.

1765
02:31:08,400 --> 02:31:09,340
No, no, you're good.

1766
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:14,740
The existing other non-conformities, the minimum lawn area.

1767
02:31:15,100 --> 02:31:18,580
The site is 6,800 and 89 square feet.

1768
02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:22,380
And this zone requires 7,500 square feet.

1769
02:31:22,380 --> 02:31:24,740
The second is your minimum lock width.

1770
02:31:25,020 --> 02:31:28,100
The site is 55, where 60 is normally required.

1771
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:31,220
The third is maximum allowable building coverage.

1772
02:31:33,580 --> 02:31:36,460
1,807 is where the existing building coverage

1773
02:31:36,460 --> 02:31:39,020
is 1435 square feet.

1774
02:31:39,380 --> 02:31:41,300
And the final two are related and specific

1775
02:31:41,300 --> 02:31:42,540
to the garage location.

1776
02:31:43,400 --> 02:31:44,860
So your garage is actually required

1777
02:31:44,860 --> 02:31:48,200
to be on the secondary frontage, which would be Essex,

1778
02:31:48,460 --> 02:31:50,300
and required to be three feet set back

1779
02:31:50,300 --> 02:31:51,540
from the primary facade.

1780
02:31:51,540 --> 02:31:57,880
And in this instance, if you can see the picture from the existing building, it is along

1781
02:31:57,880 --> 02:32:00,940
Sussex and it is flush with the primary facade.

1782
02:32:01,840 --> 02:32:08,980
I conducted an open report and confirmed that in 1988, the rear portion of this building

1783
02:32:08,980 --> 02:32:11,160
was constructed under zoning board approval.

1784
02:32:11,800 --> 02:32:16,960
So all of those kind of existing non-conformities are legal existing non-conformities because

1785
02:32:16,960 --> 02:32:18,360
of the zoning board approval.

1786
02:32:19,580 --> 02:32:21,320
and now we can go to that next slide.

1787
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:31,520
Third, thank you.

1788
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:35,140
The underside of the narrow lot is not unique as you can see.

1789
02:32:35,640 --> 02:32:39,280
All of the lots along the side of the block are 52 feet wide

1790
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:42,940
and they're anywhere from 78 to 127 feet deep.

1791
02:32:43,480 --> 02:32:46,320
The only lot on this block that's larger than the applicant

1792
02:32:46,320 --> 02:32:50,880
is a lot sick where the lot of the rear is wider than the lot in the front.

1793
02:32:51,300 --> 02:32:51,800
Next slide.

1794
02:32:52,740 --> 02:32:56,100
Side yard, because we're building on top of the existing structure

1795
02:32:56,100 --> 02:32:58,540
and the existing structure is non-conforming.

1796
02:32:59,340 --> 02:33:01,480
That's why it requires to seek the variances.

1797
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:05,040
The block is curved, so the lot lines are more of diagonal

1798
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:07,560
than you'll see for the normal common grid.

1799
02:33:08,280 --> 02:33:10,700
The building locations and the diagonal lot lines

1800
02:33:10,700 --> 02:33:12,940
make it a little bit more difficult to determine

1801
02:33:12,940 --> 02:33:15,340
the average side yard set back along this block.

1802
02:33:15,960 --> 02:33:18,060
So in order to measure consistently,

1803
02:33:18,740 --> 02:33:21,400
I measured from the southern side yard

1804
02:33:21,400 --> 02:33:24,500
to each property to the distance of the adjacent structure.

1805
02:33:24,500 --> 02:33:32,360
Right? Because essentially, the reason for the setback is to ensure there's enough light in air to the surrounding properties, not just the lot line.

1806
02:33:32,840 --> 02:33:40,640
The applicant's site is set back over 17 feet from the adjacent property, ours is one of the larger setbacks on the block.

1807
02:33:40,960 --> 02:33:43,360
You'll see between 6 and 8 suspects,

1808
02:33:50,360 --> 02:33:54,220
and between 12 and 14, so that's the two over here.

1809
02:33:58,100 --> 02:34:01,800
So the subject property is all the way on the right.

1810
02:34:01,800 --> 02:34:04,400
Correct. All the way on the right.

1811
02:34:04,700 --> 02:34:05,920
We were all looking at it the same way.

1812
02:34:06,140 --> 02:34:07,580
Yeah. All the way on the right.

1813
02:34:09,720 --> 02:34:12,240
Right. Between those two, this separation distance

1814
02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:15,000
are actually five feet smaller than ours.

1815
02:34:15,480 --> 02:34:17,100
So this is really just a shoulder board

1816
02:34:17,100 --> 02:34:19,680
that the applicant's existing side yard setback

1817
02:34:19,680 --> 02:34:22,640
is really consistent and actually larger

1818
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:24,180
than the predominant on the block.

1819
02:34:24,180 --> 02:34:30,400
The next slide, the northern or the exterior side yard along Essex is required to be 30.

1820
02:34:30,980 --> 02:34:35,160
You can see on the slide again that due to the diagonal line, that the setback varies,

1821
02:34:35,420 --> 02:34:39,120
the smallest being closer to the front and getting larger to the back.

1822
02:34:39,580 --> 02:34:43,220
The addition is 26 feet away from the line or 25.95.

1823
02:34:44,120 --> 02:34:47,180
The addition is actually 30 feet away from the fence.

1824
02:34:47,780 --> 02:34:52,080
Based on my review, that fence has been at that location for at least 12 years, based on

1825
02:34:52,080 --> 02:34:59,920
My ability to use near-map and a couple of other aerial photography. I know that the fence is not within the property line, but it does kind of act

1826
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:09,660
As a visual property line. That fence is on the side. That fence is the long Essex. Is that? Yeah.

1827
02:35:12,790 --> 02:35:29,790
Again, to reiterate, the addition is being added to an existing structure and the condition of that site and the surrounding show that the addition will cause no negative impact to the light and air or adjacent properties. And this is mainly consistent with the building or step backs surrounding it. Next slide. The big ones.

1828
02:35:30,470 --> 02:35:38,410
floor area and floor area ratio. So we're proposing a floor area ratio of 38.6, we're 37.3,

1829
02:35:38,770 --> 02:35:45,410
and a floor area again. I know we keep hearing these numbers, so I apologize. 2,665, we're

1830
02:35:45,410 --> 02:35:52,050
2,575 is allowed. Now the basement in this building is a height that's less than 7 feet, so we're

1831
02:35:52,050 --> 02:35:57,450
not looking at habitable space. Your code excludes the floor area because it's not habitable.

1832
02:35:57,450 --> 02:36:01,310
The basement is currently used, however, for laundry and utilities.

1833
02:36:01,970 --> 02:36:06,990
The first floor has a living room that is 12 by 13, and in front of the living room that

1834
02:36:06,990 --> 02:36:12,250
ground floor is currently used as an office, the 7 by 10 space, I circled it on the left.

1835
02:36:13,310 --> 02:36:18,330
The proposal is to remove that office to the second floor so that the full use of the

1836
02:36:18,330 --> 02:36:19,510
living room can be realized.

1837
02:36:20,730 --> 02:36:21,650
Slide 11.

1838
02:36:22,410 --> 02:36:27,250
The existing master bedroom is then rearranged so that the office can be added to the

1839
02:36:27,250 --> 02:36:33,210
second floor. Bedroom 2 is shortened so that there's more shared storage space and the existing

1840
02:36:33,210 --> 02:36:38,430
bedroom is laid out slightly awkward. You can see I'll highlight it out in red on the left.

1841
02:36:39,150 --> 02:36:44,410
The closet is deep and narrow and the bathroom is also relatively small and tight. The existing

1842
02:36:44,410 --> 02:36:50,890
total square footage dedicated to the master bedroom is 381. The new master bedroom will have a

1843
02:36:50,890 --> 02:36:56,010
significantly better layout. That's in the rear and you can see and a more efficient use of spaces

1844
02:36:56,010 --> 02:37:01,310
is actually 50 square feet less than the existing bedroom today, just because of the

1845
02:37:01,310 --> 02:37:07,710
better layout. So the addition is 331 square feet, where we are only exceeding the standard

1846
02:37:08,050 --> 02:37:14,930
by 90 feet. Losing 90 square feet from the proposed fourth bedroom really reduces an

1847
02:37:14,930 --> 02:37:19,830
already smaller and more efficient bedroom and it gains the intention of repurposing the

1848
02:37:19,830 --> 02:37:25,250
first and second floor to allow for more common space than an additional bedroom. The proposed

1849
02:37:25,250 --> 02:37:30,310
expansion will be done in a way that is reasonable while modernizing a house that allows for larger

1850
02:37:30,310 --> 02:37:35,270
gathering space, the living room and keeping all the private spaces and the office on the second floor

1851
02:37:35,270 --> 02:37:36,910
while adding that fourth bedroom.

1852
02:37:40,480 --> 02:37:44,110
So, I have handouts.

1853
02:38:28,800 --> 02:38:31,520
Those are not the same ones and

1854
02:38:33,600 --> 02:38:36,020
what is in one place?

1855
02:38:36,400 --> 02:38:42,760
Sure, so it is a six-page exhibit entitled to Sussex Avenue Zoning Board Applications,

1856
02:38:42,760 --> 02:38:48,400
supplemental exhibits, photos taken on 9, 20, 26 by myself,

1857
02:38:48,640 --> 02:38:49,180
Tonya Marion,

1858
02:38:52,280 --> 02:38:54,260
and they are phonos of the adjacent properties

1859
02:38:54,260 --> 02:38:56,040
along Sussex and Essex.

1860
02:38:59,340 --> 02:39:01,920
So the garage is also incorporated into the FAR.

1861
02:39:02,260 --> 02:39:05,620
The burrow excludes detached garages from FAR,

1862
02:39:05,900 --> 02:39:07,820
but the garage accounts for approximately

1863
02:39:07,820 --> 02:39:10,540
188 square feet of the ground floor.

1864
02:39:11,080 --> 02:39:15,400
All the properties with the exception of 14 Sussex have attached garages.

1865
02:39:15,400 --> 02:39:20,320
It should be noted that even if the applicant wanted to remove the garage and construct a detached,

1866
02:39:20,880 --> 02:39:25,200
they wouldn't be able to do so without a variance because accessory structures must be

1867
02:39:25,200 --> 02:39:28,720
sat back a minimum from 60 feet from the street.

1868
02:39:29,000 --> 02:39:32,140
We only have a lot that it's 55 feet wide.

1869
02:39:32,920 --> 02:39:38,080
The FAR variance criteria is determined by whether the site can accommodate the proposed

1870
02:39:38,080 --> 02:39:38,740
structure.

1871
02:39:39,220 --> 02:39:43,880
First and foremost, the site and the structure is existing and this is just the addition

1872
02:39:43,880 --> 02:39:44,740
of the second floor.

1873
02:39:44,740 --> 02:39:49,820
The setbacks, as was previously discussed, are not impeding on adjacent properties like

1874
02:39:49,820 --> 02:39:50,260
our air.

1875
02:39:50,720 --> 02:39:55,480
The proposed second story is still well within the maximum allowable height and the floor

1876
02:39:55,480 --> 02:39:59,980
is ceiling height of 6, 7 remains, so we're not even taking advantage of a-

1877
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:29,940
Additional space, but rather ensuring that the addition remains consistent visually with the existing structure and the surrounding neighborhood. So the additional 90 square feet or 1% is minimal compared to the ability to modernize the building in a way that completely complements the surrounding neighborhood and is not egregious and does not impede on light and air. Finally, to address the garage location with the packages that I've just shown you is nine houses along the block that have garages that are either in line with the facade

1878
02:40:29,940 --> 02:40:31,380
or in front of it.

1879
02:40:32,240 --> 02:40:35,740
The last photo is actually the properties along Essex Street.

1880
02:40:35,940 --> 02:40:39,720
So if you go to the applicant site on Essex Street and you look straight across the street,

1881
02:40:40,140 --> 02:40:42,180
those are the two buildings that you would be looking at.

1882
02:40:42,540 --> 02:40:46,760
And they additionally have garages that are flush with the facade.

1883
02:40:47,660 --> 02:40:52,080
And I'm just providing these, right, just so you can see that the existing garage

1884
02:40:52,080 --> 02:40:55,160
actually very much into performance with the surrounding property.

1885
02:40:56,640 --> 02:41:02,080
So by rehabilitating an existing structure and modernizing it so that a family can stay

1886
02:41:02,080 --> 02:41:06,960
and expand to do it in a way that is within context of the surrounding buildings, does

1887
02:41:06,960 --> 02:41:11,940
not impede on neighborhood properties in any way light or air and has a way that will

1888
02:41:11,940 --> 02:41:17,600
do it on minimal impact, we are able to advance the following purposes of the MLUL to guide

1889
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:23,320
appropriate use and development, that's A, C, provide light and air with the setbacks, that's

1890
02:41:23,320 --> 02:41:33,140
C, I promote desirable visual environment, J, and O together promote conservation and

1891
02:41:33,140 --> 02:41:35,920
promote maximum practical recovery, right?

1892
02:41:36,060 --> 02:41:41,480
So we are just rehabilitating an existing house instead of demolishing it, instead of

1893
02:41:41,480 --> 02:41:46,740
bringing new materials in, we are keeping the character in the house and just adding.

1894
02:41:47,440 --> 02:41:50,700
And finally, it meets some of the purposes of her master plan,

1895
02:41:52,280 --> 02:41:55,660
promote preservation and investment in the existing housing stock,

1896
02:41:56,160 --> 02:42:00,720
ensure adequate light air and open space, and guide residential and

1897
02:42:00,720 --> 02:42:04,620
commercial renovation and construction through the town so that such improvements

1898
02:42:04,620 --> 02:42:05,660
are performed.

1899
02:42:05,660 --> 02:42:09,240
And I think this is the more important part in a manner in style that are compatible

1900
02:42:09,240 --> 02:42:11,280
with the look of the surrounding area.

1901
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:14,960
For all of these reasons, I do believe that relief has

1902
02:42:14,960 --> 02:42:18,840
So grant of release is not, and the approval is warranted.

1903
02:42:19,000 --> 02:42:20,720
That is the extent of my testimony.

1904
02:42:35,300 --> 02:42:38,300
I have one question for Mr. Emotion, the document.

1905
02:42:39,060 --> 02:42:42,540
Sure, but let's make sure this bill, I think, but I mean,

1906
02:42:42,620 --> 02:42:45,040
that was pretty comprehensive, so I appreciate it.

1907
02:42:45,220 --> 02:42:48,760
And it's very helpful with an application like this

1908
02:42:48,760 --> 02:42:51,760
that plenty of doesn't, so I appreciate the applicant.

1909
02:42:56,900 --> 02:42:59,280
But one thing I'm trying to just recognize,

1910
02:42:59,280 --> 02:43:06,520
I understand a little better is, look, I get, I understand the ask, and it is, you know,

1911
02:43:06,680 --> 02:43:09,200
relatively much, but these are very small lots, right?

1912
02:43:09,280 --> 02:43:15,000
The houses are close together, and I'm trying to, you know, the way that, the way that,

1913
02:43:15,160 --> 02:43:21,300
the one side of the house is completely straight, and then, and then, the way this, the current

1914
02:43:21,300 --> 02:43:26,460
shape of the, what is that, the, what's the first floor in the back there, is that the

1915
02:43:27,920 --> 02:43:29,440
with the existing condition.

1916
02:43:29,500 --> 02:43:30,480
Yeah, these things.

1917
02:43:31,440 --> 02:43:32,120
It's a family room.

1918
02:43:32,420 --> 02:43:32,440
Yeah.

1919
02:43:32,840 --> 02:43:34,300
Okay, so the family room, right,

1920
02:43:34,500 --> 02:43:35,180
sort of cuts back,

1921
02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:37,700
and on the Essex side,

1922
02:43:37,860 --> 02:43:38,520
right, you have to look,

1923
02:43:38,660 --> 02:43:40,300
it's set back a little bit, right,

1924
02:43:40,460 --> 02:43:42,140
so when you build up on top of that,

1925
02:43:42,300 --> 02:43:43,700
it's filtered out, right,

1926
02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:44,500
you're not building on that,

1927
02:43:44,620 --> 02:43:45,240
so it's going to create,

1928
02:43:45,440 --> 02:43:47,480
sort of like a nice architectural,

1929
02:43:47,840 --> 02:43:48,640
sort of look on it.

1930
02:43:49,120 --> 02:43:50,560
But what I'm trying to understand is,

1931
02:43:50,720 --> 02:43:51,580
by putting a second,

1932
02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:52,560
I know it's modest,

1933
02:43:52,780 --> 02:43:54,640
but by putting a second floor out there,

1934
02:43:55,520 --> 02:44:01,280
I'm trying to understand, is that really, is that given the nature of the neighborhood,

1935
02:44:02,380 --> 02:44:05,060
understanding that doesn't really change the look of the house from the front,

1936
02:44:05,660 --> 02:44:08,320
and it will still be visually interesting from the side,

1937
02:44:08,320 --> 02:44:15,940
but does that second story once the reap goes on exactly to create enough bulb to impact negative,

1938
02:44:15,940 --> 02:44:21,980
to impact the neighborhood in a negative way, and I'm kind of just struggling with how to understand that,

1939
02:44:21,980 --> 02:44:34,900
because as much as the picture is kind of depict it's I'm struggling with, you know, adding when you add the second story here raised the chimney like what is does that really impact?

1940
02:44:35,380 --> 02:44:45,880
I think the street helps on one side but then you know from the other side does it do all the neighbors surrounding it does that just look like a giant does it does look oversized relative to what's there today?

1941
02:44:46,520 --> 02:44:48,220
And that's the one thing that I'm struggling with.

1942
02:44:48,220 --> 02:44:58,320
I don't know if it's possible to bring back that chimney, I think bringing that chimney

1943
02:44:58,320 --> 02:44:59,940
in the up with the second score.

1944
02:45:00,980 --> 02:45:30,580
I think creates much more bulk, and maybe you can comment on what you think is going on there. I'll let the the architect come into the chimney, but I can tell you that we are within the height standards. We are meeting the rear yard. We're not needing any of those. And the side yard is pretty consistent. What's there now? So you're really only adding seven and a half feet. I don't see there being any detriment to really there. And again, we have actually 17 feet between us and the property.

1945
02:45:31,380 --> 02:45:39,800
to the South. So the impact, I think, will be actually very minimal. If anything, there's

1946
02:45:39,800 --> 02:45:44,200
just another story that they'll be looking at, which is permitted, actually. But let me

1947
02:45:44,200 --> 02:45:47,220
We can allow Mr. Moshan to dress the chimney.

1948
02:45:48,260 --> 02:45:53,460
Yes, actually, my question was actually the same, almost the same as Mr. Sais.

1949
02:45:54,100 --> 02:46:01,480
Any reason why you carry the full width of the chimney all the way up and not reducing

1950
02:46:01,480 --> 02:46:01,920
it?

1951
02:46:02,500 --> 02:46:08,720
So we can discuss it with the client and we can remove the chimney completely and have a

1952
02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:09,400
direct vent.

1953
02:46:09,400 --> 02:46:15,020
And like we can replace the fireplace with a new gas fireplace that has a direct vent to

1954
02:46:15,020 --> 02:46:15,500
the exterior.

1955
02:46:16,100 --> 02:46:21,580
And we can get rid of the chimney completely if we feel that the bulk of the chimney is

1956
02:46:22,240 --> 02:46:25,140
for an negative impact on the neighborhood.

1957
02:46:25,880 --> 02:46:32,180
And regarding the height of the building and the continuation of the wall, you know, the

1958
02:46:32,180 --> 02:46:35,600
second floor is not a full-edged, full-edged feet high.

1959
02:46:35,600 --> 02:46:39,020
And if it was a gable roof, I would agree with you.

1960
02:46:39,080 --> 02:46:42,660
It might probably give you the impact of a larger mass.

1961
02:46:43,320 --> 02:46:46,180
But the fact that the two corners are chamfered

1962
02:46:46,180 --> 02:46:49,280
and we have a hip roof, and the ceiling itself is lower.

1963
02:46:50,140 --> 02:46:53,640
That will kind of soften the bulk in itself

1964
02:46:54,540 --> 02:46:57,480
and give a really nice character architecture.

1965
02:46:59,420 --> 02:47:00,640
Sorry, distance your talk.

1966
02:47:01,060 --> 02:47:03,360
Do we know how, once the second story goes on,

1967
02:47:03,360 --> 02:47:07,380
another height, the total height of the 17,

1968
02:47:11,050 --> 02:47:12,530
but let me just a little check it,

1969
02:47:15,140 --> 02:47:22,040
it's 23 feet, so it's really insignificant.

1970
02:47:22,540 --> 02:47:25,260
So the second story will be 20?

1971
02:47:25,940 --> 02:47:29,180
Oh, the entire thing is 23 feet.

1972
02:47:35,870 --> 02:47:37,270
Does that answer your question about the chimney?

1973
02:47:37,450 --> 02:47:42,310
Yes, I know, I mean, the salventing chimney,

1974
02:47:44,390 --> 02:47:51,390
Okay, but chimney can be a nice feature to make the house nice. I'm not saying to remove

1975
02:47:51,390 --> 02:47:58,350
the chimney, but my question was, whether you find it perfectly fine with the tape ring

1976
02:47:58,350 --> 02:48:01,550
inside of the chimney as it goes up towards the roof without a doubt.

1977
02:48:02,250 --> 02:48:07,230
I mean, as a designer, you know, what would look nice?

1978
02:48:09,530 --> 02:48:11,710
My question was, I mean, did you have

1979
02:48:11,710 --> 02:48:16,310
any reason to carry the same width all the way up is that it's it's going up already

1980
02:48:16,310 --> 02:48:26,590
about 20 feet so it was easier for us to carry the same width but yeah so we can give

1981
02:48:26,590 --> 02:48:31,770
it another thought and look at it again and you know compare without the chimney completely

1982
02:48:31,770 --> 02:48:37,170
or with a tapered chimney and we can put it as a condition of the pool that's not a problem

1983
02:48:37,170 --> 02:48:45,630
One question, this is the way the house looks, it's the rear of the house, I know the corridor line.

1984
02:48:47,770 --> 02:48:49,590
So, how wide was the chimney?

1985
02:48:50,390 --> 02:48:54,550
I want to say 5.6 feet, less than 6 feet.

1986
02:48:58,330 --> 02:49:01,690
Right, so I guess my question is, it's the rear of the house number one.

1987
02:49:03,150 --> 02:49:08,510
And number two is, I'm not only asking because I know chimney work is tricky.

1988
02:49:09,150 --> 02:49:12,190
You can't just tear it down and build it up, like you need some of you that really helps with it.

1989
02:49:12,730 --> 02:49:14,930
Yeah, it's only serve in a fireplace.

1990
02:49:15,910 --> 02:49:18,950
So there's no multiple units attached to it.

1991
02:49:19,210 --> 02:49:21,050
Like there's no water here and furnace.

1992
02:49:21,250 --> 02:49:24,890
It's just like the one fireplace in the family room.

1993
02:49:27,500 --> 02:49:30,980
And you can see the actual pipe going out.

1994
02:49:34,780 --> 02:49:39,640
So it's really the flu that's venting, but the chimney is really just, yeah.

1995
02:49:40,880 --> 02:49:45,200
I just don't want to put it in the arduous, required benefits, if it's unnecessary.

1996
02:49:46,040 --> 02:49:50,560
Because if the chimney's already 20 feet tall and the height of the building is going to be 23 feet tall,

1997
02:49:51,080 --> 02:49:54,140
I can't remember exactly how far it has to go, but...

1998
02:49:54,140 --> 02:49:54,920
3 feet above.

1999
02:49:55,200 --> 02:49:58,640
3 feet above, so you have to have a 26 foot chimney, so you have to add 6 feet to it.

2000
02:49:58,880 --> 02:49:59,780
Yeah, I think so.

2001
02:50:00,530 --> 02:50:15,030
And that's why we gifted this instance. And that's why I'm at, like, because it's the rear of the house to, I'm sort of, I'm at, to me, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not as concerned with that aspect of it. Just pointing it out.

2002
02:50:17,110 --> 02:50:19,710
I just, I've done work. I just want to make sure that,

2003
02:50:22,460 --> 02:50:34,320
like, if the chip, and it's also the picture creating, making it look wider than it really is. But in other words, if that's your least point, because the short stout today is a look wider.

2004
02:50:34,320 --> 02:50:35,320
that it really is going to be.

2005
02:50:36,420 --> 02:50:39,260
I'm going to scale the chimney on that wall

2006
02:50:39,260 --> 02:50:41,020
with the two narrow windows, kind of

2007
02:50:41,020 --> 02:50:43,180
makes it look even wider than it is.

2008
02:50:45,040 --> 02:50:46,900
But it holds through television a little bit.

2009
02:50:47,560 --> 02:50:48,340
It just doesn't hold that.

2010
02:50:48,740 --> 02:50:49,900
It doesn't hold all the time.

2011
02:50:51,140 --> 02:50:52,960
It's about the size of water people.

2012
02:50:53,320 --> 02:50:53,840
You guys have kids.

2013
02:50:54,500 --> 02:50:55,720
Well, that's my point.

2014
02:50:56,820 --> 02:50:59,600
To me, I think with the second story on there,

2015
02:51:00,080 --> 02:51:02,140
I'm not sure the chimney is that big of a deal.

2016
02:51:02,140 --> 02:51:09,360
In other words, I'm just pointing it out, I just don't, because with going over the second

2017
02:51:09,360 --> 02:51:10,860
story, I don't,

2018
02:51:28,300 --> 02:51:30,340
well, that's what this picture will be,

2019
02:51:35,840 --> 02:51:36,780
yeah, exactly, right,

2020
02:51:39,840 --> 02:51:40,000
that's

2021
02:51:40,000 --> 02:51:40,300
extreme.

2022
02:51:41,200 --> 02:51:41,380
Yeah.

2023
02:51:41,480 --> 02:51:42,480
The north side picture.

2024
02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:43,260
Yeah.

2025
02:51:43,400 --> 02:51:52,120
That chimney is about like, I want to say, 35 to 40 feet away from the, I mean, that's

2026
02:51:52,120 --> 02:51:52,320
extreme.

2027
02:51:55,240 --> 02:51:58,480
And isn't it going to be covered from this angle once you put these in?

2028
02:52:00,780 --> 02:52:01,840
Yeah, it's a connection at the top.

2029
02:52:02,160 --> 02:52:03,520
With the, just in the air, well, exactly.

2030
02:52:08,630 --> 02:52:10,590
I'm just set, I'm going to flush it out and make sure you're all.

2031
02:52:10,990 --> 02:52:15,090
Yeah, I guess I'll, I just, just to be clear about my point is, I don't think.

2032
02:52:20,830 --> 02:52:26,570
Yeah, if you're walking down on C6 and you look at it, you'll see it.

2033
02:52:26,570 --> 02:52:30,510
But if you don't even look, you're not going to notice on S6, sorry.

2034
02:52:30,950 --> 02:52:33,650
But if you want to look in, notice it, you will notice it.

2035
02:52:33,650 --> 02:52:37,390
If you're just walking by, you probably not even know it's there.

2036
02:52:41,820 --> 02:52:43,380
I mean, I was just asking about the chimney,

2037
02:52:43,600 --> 02:52:47,540
but would the comment that you made that you care about

2038
02:52:47,540 --> 02:52:50,880
the way you look on the outside, I'm pretty sure that you thought about the whole thing

2039
02:52:51,340 --> 02:52:52,500
when it comes to the chimney.

2040
02:52:52,760 --> 02:52:55,340
So I was just asking the question about the same.

2041
02:52:55,940 --> 02:52:56,720
I don't know the chimney.

2042
02:52:57,840 --> 02:52:58,180
Good.

2043
02:52:59,160 --> 02:52:59,320
Yeah.

2044
02:52:59,580 --> 02:52:59,960
You don't have that.

2045
02:53:00,960 --> 02:53:02,580
Just concentrate on the window.

2046
02:53:02,860 --> 02:53:03,200
You know what I mean?

2047
02:53:08,220 --> 02:53:08,620
Okay.

2048
02:53:08,620 --> 02:53:12,000
Okay, so, are we good with the gym week discussion?

2049
02:53:12,200 --> 02:53:13,160
Are there any other questions?

2050
02:53:13,840 --> 02:53:16,540
No, no, I'm not being facetious, you know,

2051
02:53:16,640 --> 02:53:18,640
we need to air it all out.

2052
02:53:19,800 --> 02:53:21,280
And we've got to make sure it's big enough

2053
02:53:21,280 --> 02:53:25,180
for Santa Claus, you know, or any of the questions

2054
02:53:25,180 --> 02:53:28,120
for either the architect or the planner at this point.

2055
02:53:38,290 --> 02:53:41,610
So, it's kind of have to be submitted and reviewed

2056
02:53:42,170 --> 02:53:44,190
prior to any type of vulgar event.

2057
02:53:45,230 --> 02:53:47,010
Okay, thanks for pointing out that out.

2058
02:53:47,010 --> 02:53:54,750
I don't think she prepared me, I heard her say she did not, so it's up to the board whether

2059
02:53:54,750 --> 02:53:55,410
they have to.

2060
02:53:55,750 --> 02:53:57,330
Is she required to prepare me?

2061
02:53:58,350 --> 02:53:58,830
No.

2062
02:53:59,490 --> 02:54:00,110
Thank you.

2063
02:54:00,770 --> 02:54:01,330
With the same question.

2064
02:54:01,350 --> 02:54:01,510
Right.

2065
02:54:01,690 --> 02:54:09,490
So in other words, we have the applicant's plan and planner and test plan testimony does, what

2066
02:54:09,490 --> 02:54:15,270
is the feeling of the board recording regarding whether or not we need the board's planner

2067
02:54:15,270 --> 02:54:20,110
to either refute or confirm the planning testimony.

2068
02:54:20,710 --> 02:54:21,270
No,

2069
02:54:24,320 --> 02:54:26,120
we have Kendra Lee Lee as our planner.

2070
02:54:26,120 --> 02:54:29,260
She usually does a separate report when there's a de-variance

2071
02:54:29,260 --> 02:54:30,480
and she did not do that.

2072
02:54:36,430 --> 02:54:39,010
Well, if you want to put the capital capital,

2073
02:54:39,010 --> 02:54:41,490
if she does, we should inquire through this.

2074
02:54:42,410 --> 02:54:43,430
If they are embarrassing,

2075
02:54:43,650 --> 02:54:46,930
whether or not the way that it straights

2076
02:54:46,930 --> 02:54:48,150
from what the ordinance allows,

2077
02:54:49,050 --> 02:54:51,750
can the site accommodate that difference

2078
02:54:51,750 --> 02:54:53,670
or is it causing a lot of issues?

2079
02:54:54,770 --> 02:54:57,870
And this is a fairly slight deviation

2080
02:54:57,870 --> 02:54:59,270
from what you are in this house.

2081
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:01,820
That's basically the task.

2082
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:25,960
I mean, I mean, we could take the post to the board, but I personally feel the need for. Yes, last planer to have to prepare. I agree. I'm ready. So no one's, no one's put off by the fact that we don't have the board's plan.

2083
02:55:25,960 --> 02:55:31,000
for preparing a letter. Okay, so we're all agreeing on that. We can move forward.

2084
02:55:33,580 --> 02:55:38,260
Looks like there are no further questions. I mean, do you have anything else to present

2085
02:55:38,260 --> 02:55:40,140
or are you internally going over to the board?

2086
02:55:41,860 --> 02:55:44,020
Mr. Schumpel, yeah, excuse me.

2087
02:55:45,940 --> 02:55:53,100
So if we agree, it's legal to do this. Nobody's going to come back and say,

2088
02:55:53,100 --> 02:55:57,020
Okay, I'm sorry you needed the plan to ladder.

2089
02:55:57,460 --> 02:55:58,540
You could not require me.

2090
02:55:58,880 --> 02:55:59,960
So we, we, okay, good.

2091
02:56:00,540 --> 02:56:04,740
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I was just going to talk about a couple of things.

2092
02:56:04,820 --> 02:56:08,740
First, it looks like there's no members of the public for, you know,

2093
02:56:08,860 --> 02:56:14,820
to put questions to either professional, more to provide any commentary.

2094
02:56:15,080 --> 02:56:18,140
So, going back to what I said at the outside of the application,

2095
02:56:18,900 --> 02:56:21,200
we've got five voting members here,

2096
02:56:21,200 --> 02:56:24,360
or any five or further votes for the federal variance.

2097
02:56:26,880 --> 02:56:30,260
Does it make sense to do board commentary first,

2098
02:56:30,420 --> 02:56:32,060
and based upon how that sounds?

2099
02:56:33,760 --> 02:56:37,140
In other words, we could hold board,

2100
02:56:37,280 --> 02:56:40,700
have the board provide comments on the application

2101
02:56:40,700 --> 02:56:42,680
and generally, we're there leaning,

2102
02:56:42,880 --> 02:56:44,120
and then based on something before,

2103
02:56:44,300 --> 02:56:45,360
we actually go to the voting.

2104
02:56:47,320 --> 02:56:50,840
And you know, it doesn't sound like we've got

2105
02:56:50,840 --> 02:56:55,500
the votes, you have the option to carry it and to allow the other board members to not present

2106
02:56:55,500 --> 02:56:58,800
the analysis to be in the detail. So polling is not binding.

2107
02:57:01,410 --> 02:57:03,390
So with that, we could turn

2108
02:57:03,390 --> 02:57:10,190
you over to the board who would like to start. You want to start? Yeah, I'll start. Change it up a little bit.

2109
02:57:10,610 --> 02:57:17,670
Yep. So looking at it by just numbers, initially, I had one give.

2110
02:57:19,570 --> 02:57:29,530
Then here in the testimony, you see what is proposed for the structure, the different

2111
02:57:29,530 --> 02:57:29,810
view.

2112
02:57:31,900 --> 02:57:39,520
You know, I'm a little bit less concerned about the FIR with your overall intent to refresh

2113
02:57:39,520 --> 02:57:39,900
the home.

2114
02:57:41,960 --> 02:57:48,540
It's usability. I'm bringing it up to today's standards, the family's

2115
02:57:48,540 --> 02:57:52,720
standards, and for future families and getting that property sort of preserved.

2116
02:57:53,660 --> 02:57:57,880
So for all that, you know, I saw this sort of mod as well.

2117
02:57:57,880 --> 02:58:01,200
Well, maybe I'll listen to that.

2118
02:58:06,440 --> 02:58:07,000
I agree.

2119
02:58:07,340 --> 02:58:10,060
I still think I might ask you to remove the chimney,

2120
02:58:10,300 --> 02:58:11,460
but it's definitely a might.

2121
02:58:23,560 --> 02:58:24,640
It's a modest ask.

2122
02:58:24,880 --> 02:58:27,510
I think it's a approach to it.

2123
02:58:27,630 --> 02:58:30,650
And I think not look down to it.

2124
02:58:30,950 --> 02:58:31,970
I agree with Mr. Farlock.

2125
02:58:32,130 --> 02:58:34,790
I think we're preserving the stock

2126
02:58:34,790 --> 02:58:37,810
and maintaining the look and feel of the neighborhood

2127
02:58:38,430 --> 02:58:42,850
at the same time of your modernizing house

2128
02:58:42,850 --> 02:58:44,490
that will, you know, bring it into

2129
02:58:46,540 --> 02:58:47,560
your current for the next.

2130
02:58:53,390 --> 02:58:57,550
Yeah, I agree with what you had said about.

2131
02:58:57,770 --> 02:59:02,410
When you look at the application, you look at the numbers, especially if the FAR variance

2132
02:59:02,410 --> 02:59:07,210
has been requested, just the numbers along make it look like it's a significant variance.

2133
02:59:07,490 --> 02:59:15,090
And so when you look at the application, when the context is provided, the context that the professionals

2134
02:59:15,090 --> 02:59:18,610
and testified is provided, it's not as bad as it sounds.

2135
02:59:18,830 --> 02:59:21,050
And my conclusion was that the lot can accommodate

2136
02:59:21,050 --> 02:59:23,170
what is being proposed here.

2137
02:59:24,330 --> 02:59:27,410
You know, at the outset, you had spoken about personal reasons

2138
02:59:27,410 --> 02:59:29,130
for wanting to do this, your growing family,

2139
02:59:29,370 --> 02:59:31,010
typical story we hear at all the time,

2140
02:59:31,530 --> 02:59:34,590
but the board typically can't justify the grand date

2141
02:59:34,590 --> 02:59:36,450
of the variance based on personal reasons.

2142
02:59:36,790 --> 02:59:39,930
So when I was listening to the testimony I was looking for,

2143
02:59:40,670 --> 02:59:43,610
you know, is there, is the home being included

2144
02:59:43,610 --> 02:59:49,870
from a functionality or is it correcting obsolescence issues and my personal

2145
02:59:49,870 --> 02:59:53,290
conclusion was that it is that the application is improving

2146
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:06,280
The functionality and the flow, it is a better layout, so it's generally very good. And the planning

2147
03:00:06,280 --> 03:00:10,540
testimony was very helpful, especially the aerial photos to show what's being proposed and

2148
03:00:10,540 --> 03:00:15,500
how it fits into the neighborhood and how I personally did not see anything detrimental

2149
03:00:15,500 --> 03:00:20,300
in bumping out the back of the way you're planning on building it. So, like I said, the

2150
03:00:20,300 --> 03:00:26,120
lot seems to be able to accommodate the additional bulk. So, with that, I'm good with it.

2151
03:00:26,120 --> 03:00:33,340
So it sounds like I didn't hear any, you know, the five present voting numbers preparing to cast a negative vote.

2152
03:00:33,460 --> 03:00:39,580
So if you're okay with proceeding, I can ask for a motion to approve the application.

2153
03:00:40,980 --> 03:00:41,360
Okay,

2154
03:00:44,080 --> 03:00:47,000
the application, some will go out a second.

2155
03:00:47,380 --> 03:00:50,700
That was a good move.

2156
03:00:53,590 --> 03:00:56,090
So with that, I'll ask Aaron to call the roll.

2157
03:00:57,530 --> 03:00:59,530
Mr. Hoffman, yes.

2158
03:00:59,530 --> 03:01:10,630
Yes. Mr. Heron chose the yes, Mr. Ballett. Yes. The six x? Yes. Mr. Tompick. Yes.

2159
03:01:11,610 --> 03:01:16,010
What's the patient approved? Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

2160
03:01:16,530 --> 03:01:18,870
Thank you very much. So,

2161
03:01:21,230 --> 03:01:21,550
where is that?

2162
03:01:28,390 --> 03:01:33,430
So, um, um, the medicine, uh, medication,

2163
03:01:36,640 --> 03:01:41,940
that's in the 25-day-01-1, uh, will be carried

2164
03:01:41,940 --> 03:01:44,260
to the special meeting on October 20th.

2165
03:01:44,420 --> 03:01:45,200
I have that correct.

2166
03:01:45,640 --> 03:01:45,760
It

2167
03:01:50,500 --> 03:01:58,820
looks like application CP 26-005, uh, Shukla and Joshi application, 14-something set,

2168
03:01:58,820 --> 03:02:03,860
and having you will also be carried to the regular leave, right?

2169
03:02:04,320 --> 03:02:05,980
On October 28th,

2170
03:02:14,200 --> 03:02:17,620
get 26,0005 with the carried to October 28th,

2171
03:02:17,700 --> 03:02:18,940
enough for the notice of the required,

2172
03:02:22,370 --> 03:02:24,450
yeah, and yeah, 00,

2173
03:02:25,590 --> 03:02:26,930
I'm sorry, okay,

2174
03:02:30,020 --> 03:02:31,720
thank you, forgot about that one.

2175
03:02:32,140 --> 03:02:35,840
And the application you started earlier this evening was

2176
03:02:35,840 --> 03:02:39,020
So the CV 26008, the jack construction tool,

2177
03:02:39,040 --> 03:02:41,000
quite a little side avenue will also be carried

2178
03:02:41,480 --> 03:02:45,000
to the October 28 meeting about further notice.

2179
03:02:46,160 --> 03:02:47,720
And that's all I have.

2180
03:02:47,940 --> 03:02:50,600
So unless there's any new business entertainer

2181
03:02:50,600 --> 03:02:51,980
on the entertainment motion to adjourn,

2182
03:02:52,220 --> 03:02:53,180
I'll make the motion.

2183
03:02:53,840 --> 03:02:54,220
Second.

2184
03:02:55,080 --> 03:02:55,900
All in favor?

2185
03:02:56,360 --> 03:02:56,520
Aye.

2186
03:02:56,900 --> 03:02:57,540
We're adjourned.