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[0:03] Good evening. This is the Burrow Chatton Building Board of Adjustment Regulatory Meeting for Wednesday, September 23, 20, 20, 20, 20, 26, and times, approximately 7, 35, pursuant to the requirements of the Open Public Meetings Act 10, colon four, day of six, adequate notice of this meeting has been provided and published in the Chatton Courier on February 5, 20, 20, 26, and posted on the Municipal Bill of Temporary, on the main floor of the Municipal Building and filed with the Commission Secretary
[0:33] here in Berklerk on January 6th, 2026.
[0:38] Mr. Harrenscher, can you take the roll call for this?
[0:40] Mr. Cifelli?
[0:41] I am present.
[0:43] Mr. Hoffman is not here yet.
[0:47] Mr. Hanger's here, Mr. Cice?
[0:49] Here.
[0:51] Mr. Triller is not here.
[0:53] Mr. Tonock, here.
[0:55] Mr. Barrett, here.
[0:57] This is Long is not here.
[1:00] Mr. Bolio?
[1:02] Mr. Bolio?
[1:04] Mrs. Leia?
[1:05] Lynn?
[1:07] Here.
[1:09] We have Mr. Deloitte.
[1:13] And we have Mr. Hoppins here.
[1:17] Mr. Hoppins here.
[1:17] I'm going to have to mention this.
[1:19] Mr. Bolio is here as well.
[1:22] That was mentioning that.
[1:24] Okay.
[1:25] So first order of business is about to be meeting minutes.
[1:28] first one is ZB 2026 day 18, that is for the meeting minutes of August 18, 2026. Special
[1:38] meetings each board members was provided a draft of those meeting minutes. They
[1:43] remember have any changes or amendments posed for the meeting minutes. There may
[1:49] no suggested changes or amendments. I will make a motion to approve the meeting
[1:54] minutes as drafted as their second.
[1:56] Second.
[1:57] Thank you Mr. Harren.
[1:58] Draw your favor.
[1:59] My.
[1:59] My eyes have at the need for a doctor.
[2:02] Second is resolution 22, 2026-19.
[2:06] This is to approve the meeting minutes for the August 26th regular meeting.
[2:12] Each of the board members receive the draft of those meeting minutes.
[2:15] Does any member have any suggested changes or amendments?
[2:19] There being no suggested changes or amendments, I will make a motion to approve the meeting
[2:24] minutes as drafted is there a second thank you mr. Harajar all in favor yeah
[2:30] all right guys have it the minutes are adopted next we have two resolutions for
[2:35] consideration first one is application CB 26 day zero zero seven Patrick
[2:41] Reagan 43 North Summit Avenue each of the members to see the draft of that
[2:46] resolutions and we're having to suggest that the changes are events they're being
[2:51] I suggest that changes are amendments. Is there a motion to approve the resolution as
[2:58] trail? Thank you, Mr. Huffman, is there a second?
[3:02] A second. Thank you, Mr. Herringer, is Herringer going to take the role call please?
[3:08] Mr. Sir Felly.
[3:10] Aye.
[3:13] Mr. Huffman.
[3:14] Yes.
[3:17] Mr. Andrewsie, yes.
[3:23] Mr. Tannock.
[3:24] Yes.
[3:24] Yes.
[3:28] Yes.
[3:29] Yes.
[3:30] Yes.
[3:30] Thank you.
[3:30] These are sucks.
[3:32] Yes.
[3:32] Sorry.
[3:33] Resolution has drafted.
[3:35] Has passed.
[3:36] Next is resolution for application number CP2660111.
[3:41] Correct.
[3:41] County.
[3:42] 25 North Hillside Avenue.
[3:44] Each of the members received a draft of that resolution is in the number of suggested changes
[3:49] or amendments.
[3:49] Yes.
[3:50] Good being my suggestion, changes are amendments, is there a motion to improve the resolution
[3:55] is drafted.
[3:56] I remember the motion.
[3:57] Thank you, Mr. Harynger.
[3:58] Is there a second?
[3:59] I'll second thank you, Mr. Carna.
[4:01] Mr. Harynger, can you take the roll, please?
[4:06] Mr. Sir Felig?
[4:07] Yes.
[4:10] Mr. Hoffman?
[4:11] Yes.
[4:12] Mr. Harynger was a yes.
[4:16] Mr. Tomock?
[4:19] Yes.
[4:20] Mr. Barrett?
[4:22] Oh, Mr. Barrett?
[4:23] Yes.
[4:23] Yes.
[4:24] If it's success?
[4:27] Yes.
[4:30] Very well.
[4:31] Resolution has passed.
[4:32] Next we have returning a new application.
[4:35] So I'm just going to run through this real quick.
[4:36] And then we'll call this the first applicant.
[4:40] First on the agenda tonight is application CB258011.
[4:46] That's Minnesink Club, Inc.
[4:47] One Princeton Street.
[4:51] Did we, did we get, did we get, did we get, did we get, did we get,
[4:56] did we get, did we get,
[5:00] Correct, sorry, you know, carried out over 20 without further notice. Next is application, CB 26
[5:07] there, 0, 0, 8, jab, construction, 205, both side avenue, the applicant is here, is that
[5:13] correct? And ready? Yes, very well. Next is application, CB 26 there, 0, 0, 6, gen and
[5:21] richer white, is the applicant here, very well, as a note I have to refuse myself from that
[5:26] application as I am within the 200-foot zone.
[5:30] Next is application CB26-D012,
[5:34] Jamie and Sean Montgomery is the applicant here, okay.
[5:38] After that is application CB26-D005,
[5:43] Kavish Shukla, and Utika Joshi, are you here?
[5:47] Okay, very good, thank you.
[5:49] All right, so I'll say right now that we do take a break
[5:52] around nine o'clock, let everybody sort of stretch their feet
[5:56] a little bit, we take no new applications after 10pm, no new witnesses after 10.30pm with
[6:05] a goal to adjourn by 11pm. Okay, that's how it generally goes. So first we're going to
[6:10] do is call up application zb26.0808.jag construction 205. I will say this to the folks who are down
[6:22] online on on the agenda tonight. Typically we'll get through to maybe three
[6:29] applications. Sometimes you never know because the application in front of you
[6:34] may be defective in some way that's discovered in the first five minutes and
[6:37] they're out the door and you would be thinking you're not going to be reached and
[6:41] you're going to get reached. I generally tell people if you're here by nine o'clock
[6:44] you'll have some sense of what we're going to be able to achieve by eleven o'clock
[6:48] right so I would suggest that I don't like to waste anybody's time but I think
[6:54] that's probably the most prudent approach. Canals, your panelists. Thank you Mr.
[7:00] board members, Neil Covey-Ello, a member of the Saver LLC representing the applicant
[7:07] and tonight's application. That's right, I forgot. Yeah thanks. Again, I apologize folks
[7:17] I forgot to press the button.
[7:19] It's okay.
[7:20] Nino Kobiello representing the applicants in tonight's application.
[7:26] The application proposed the raising of the existing home situated to all five hillside
[7:32] avenue and replaced with new construction of two and a half-store single-family residence
[7:37] with a patio and front portico.
[7:40] The property is located, obviously, in the borough of Chatham and it's located on a corner
[7:46] block. Why do I indicate that it's important a lot? The applicant has designated Hillside Avenue
[7:54] as the principal frontage for the purpose of establishing the bulk requirements. The proposals
[8:01] are new construction is compatible with the character of the surrounding residential neighborhood
[8:06] and provides for today's family needs as many requests in Chatham. The subject property is situated
[8:13] when the R2 zone district and the lot area is non-conforming where 9300 square feet is required
[8:22] and the existing property contains 7,667 square feet.
[8:28] While the proposed improvements require certain variance relief, we respectfully submit
[8:33] that the application represents a reasonable and appropriate development of this residential lot,
[8:39] which ultimately will enhance the neighborhood.
[8:43] Speaking of C variances, I'd point to your attention
[8:47] to zoning officers' letter of August 4th, 2026,
[8:52] which sets forth the variances that we are seeking.
[8:57] We're going to need a majority vote from the board
[9:00] on these variances.
[9:02] The first is a side yard setback for the interior.
[9:05] We're 12 feet is required.
[9:06] 7.2 feet is existing non-conforming and the applicant proposes 10 feet.
[9:14] The front yard setback on Hillside Avenue where 34.85 feet is required 30.4 feet is existing
[9:24] and non-conforming and what is proposed is 31 feet.
[9:29] The 3rd is a front yard setback on Willow Street.
[9:34] It's labeled as the exterior yard setback on the zoning officer's letter, where 30 feet
[9:41] required, 19.1 foot is existing, not performing and 14 feet is proposed.
[9:48] The next one is the rear yard setback, where 52.5 feet is required, 62.7 feet is existing,
[9:57] 14 and 46.3 feet as we propose.
[10:01] And finally, the maximum building coverage where 1380 square feet is permitted. 1128 square feet is existing, and 1,627 square feet is proposed. The applicant is also seeking the following V variants for relief that will require a minimum of five votes for passage. It's the floor area ratio where 2760 square feet is allowed and the applicant is proposed.
[10:31] 3,063 square feet. We're also proposing a design exception for the 18-foot
[10:40] driveway. The ordinance in Chatham prohibits driveways in excess of 16 feet at
[10:48] the street line, and that's laid out in Mr. Brightley's letter. What you should
[10:54] have as part of this application are submissions that were on your website and it includes the application
[11:03] supporting materials and attachments. A variance plan consisting of one sheet prepared by ABC
[11:10] surveys, LLC, it's dated July 13th, 2026. There's a topographical survey prepared also by ABC surveys,
[11:21] dated March 19th, 2026. There was also on your website a lot grading plan that was prepared
[11:31] by ABC surveys. And Mr. Clark, who is my engineer, can explain it in greater detail if necessary,
[11:38] but after speaking with the borough engineer, it was asked that the lot grading plan have
[11:47] incorporated there in additional, like the TAC, the key map, and such.
[11:53] So that locked grading plan, which is on your website, was superseded by the variance plan of July 13th.
[12:00] Sorry to labor over this, but I want to make sure the record is adequate.
[12:03] You also have course finance data July 17th from Mr. Clark in response to the completeness review
[12:10] and technical review course finance data July 1st.
[12:14] You also have architectural plans consisting of four sheets that were prepared by AHM Associates
[12:21] Architect, I apologize, dated April 28th, 2026, and you'll finally have correspondence
[12:29] dated July 31st, 2026 from AHM architects.
[12:36] What we ever see from the town professionals are the following.
[12:41] The August 4th letter from the Burrill Zoni official,
[12:46] of course, on its date, it's September 11, 2026 from the town planner, KMA.
[12:54] And finally, of course, on its date, July 22, from Boswell, Engineering,
[13:00] and Kameleague, Mr. Rob Wright,
[13:03] so that the record is complete.
[13:05] Do we have anything else out there that the applicant is unaware of?
[13:13] I'm assuming that we have a complete review.
[13:16] This evening folks it's a straightforward application which will be presented by Douglas Miller.
[13:22] He's a licensed New Jersey architect from AHM Architects.
[13:27] He has appeared before the Land Use Board in Chatham.
[13:32] Andrew Clark, who is a licensed New Jersey engineer from ABC Surveys.
[13:37] I think he has a bronze chair just for him in the audience.
[13:41] Paul Ricky, our license planner, from Ricky Plan.
[13:45] They will be submitted in that order.
[13:48] I also have here the applicant Jack Alpert.
[13:50] I do not believe I'm going to ask him any questions,
[13:55] but he will be available.
[13:56] Should you have some concerned questions?
[14:01] That brief introduction, I'd like to have my first witness,
[14:05] Mr. Douglas Miller.
[14:29] Please raise your right hand.
[14:31] You swear our front of testimony will give to this board.
[14:34] Is it all true?
[14:35] I do.
[14:35] Please state your name, give to the business manager.
[14:38] Yes, Douglas Miller from AHM Architects.
[14:41] Located at 281 Main Street, Milburn, New Jersey.
[14:45] Thank you.
[14:47] Thank you, Mr. Dwyer.
[14:49] Mr. Miller, for the benefit of the board.
[14:51] Do you please provide your educational and professional
[14:54] for the rest of the day?
[14:54] Yes, I've been a degree of bachelor's of architecture.
[15:00] A degree from New Jersey Institute of Technology on the License Architect since 2001. I've made numerous
[15:08] testimony to this board as well as boards in this round. Are there any objections to witness?
[15:14] The witness is so qualified. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, thank you. Mr. Miller, did you prepare the
[15:20] architectural plans that were dated April 28 when submitted on the behalf of the applicant?
[15:26] Yes, we do have a subsequent submission from July 7, based on the engineers of Review Life that was submitted to the board as well.
[15:36] Very good. And you also were the author of the correspondence to the very first, I believe, correct?
[15:42] Correct.
[15:45] Would you then provide, in your professional opinion, the condition of the existing home situated at the property for the benefit of the board, please?
[15:54] Yes. The house is located on the corner of Hillside and Willow. The house is in extreme
[16:03] disrepair. The house was built in the early 1950s. It's a Cape Cod style. The family
[16:11] that have lived there, they have lived there for a very, very long time. And as so often as
[16:17] the case, I let the house just kind of decay around them. So at that point it was put on the
[16:24] market and my client, Mr. Albert, purchased it.
[16:27] Okay.
[16:31] Then why don't we walk the board
[16:32] through your architectural drawings?
[16:35] Yes.
[16:36] Now, with the state of the home,
[16:39] and the plus of being a Cape Cod,
[16:41] its structure was really inadequate,
[16:43] had a low basement,
[16:45] and really didn't meet the needs of a modern family.
[16:47] So, it didn't really make sense to renovate the home.
[16:51] Then we looked at the zoning requirements,
[16:54] and it being a corner lot,
[16:55] not like so many other size, it being a corner, the placement, the existing placement of
[16:59] the house, as well as all the sector requirements.
[17:03] Expanding this house and altering it was going to require a variance relief no matter what
[17:07] we did, and some of those metrics would have been potentially greater than what we were proposing
[17:12] here today.
[17:14] So, obviously the best path forward was to raise this structure and to propose a new site-specific
[17:21] dwelling that had a really nice curved appeal.
[17:23] Well, I really engaged the corner, that's something that looked attractive from not only
[17:28] hillside, but also from Willow.
[17:30] And it's been proposed to be built on the same footprint that exists now?
[17:34] A similar footprint, yes.
[17:36] Similar, but different, what would that look like?
[17:38] Well, similar in that it's located in the general vicinity of the existing foundation.
[17:46] The engineer can go through more of the details of how the numbers deviate from where they
[17:50] are now.
[17:51] But it's a very small lot. There's not a lot of flexibility of where we can move this house.
[17:56] Same size footprint.
[17:57] No, it's a greater footprint.
[18:00] Do you have a comparison of what you used to have and what you...
[18:05] Yes, the engineer, Andrew Clark will have a breakdown and he can go over all the numbers specifically, talking about what the current data is,
[18:15] of what the existing non-conforming deviations are as well as what we're proposing.
[18:25] So the part of the house right now is the willow?
[18:27] Correct, yes.
[18:29] We're continuing with the way that the house is currently situated, the garage from the
[18:32] front door faced willow, although the address is hillside.
[18:37] So we're basically continuing where we are.
[18:39] There's an existing attach garage and our garage is going to be proposed in the same general
[18:44] vicinity, front door along the willow street side, and you know, again, it'll be in that same
[18:48] general alignment of the block and the lock.
[18:53] And where are you entering the rear yard at the end of the day?
[18:56] Mr. Zeiss.
[18:57] Thank you.
[18:59] The rear yard distances are from where you zone.
[19:02] It's opposite Hillside.
[19:04] Since Hillside is the designated front of the house,
[19:08] so it's measured opposite that.
[19:17] If we had zoneed the other way, the rear yard
[19:21] would have been in front of the front yard,
[19:22] and the front yard would have been behind the rear yard,
[19:24] so it basically made a negative, both non-theloads out.
[19:27] This seems to make the most sense.
[19:28] But the right door is not on the outside.
[19:30] I know that we're just continuing
[19:31] with what was there prior.
[19:33] It makes it so sides busy.
[19:37] If the previous house was in a very good condition,
[19:45] what would be one would do a house?
[19:48] It's a very, very small house.
[19:49] It's a kid.
[20:00] It was built in the early 1950s. That was kind of at the end of when Cape Cods were being constructed. So, at the time it was built, it was kind of out of date. And you can see almost every Cape Cod and every community is being renovated. So, you know, what we would have to do with this house is basically take it down to the studs, redo everything. The basement was very low, so we'd have to excavate down, underpin the foundation.
[20:24] Foundation is to thin to support additional height to create a more usable basement.
[20:33] The second floor deck is not adequate to support the loads required under the current
[20:38] codes.
[20:39] So the second floor deck would have to be upgraded.
[20:43] The current walls being only two by four don't provide enough depth for modern insulation
[20:49] to meet the energy code conformance requirements.
[20:51] So, there will be a lot of updating that had to be done to this house, extensive modifications,
[20:57] plus with all the existing non-conformities to houses closer to some of the side yards
[21:02] to some of the yards then currently.
[21:05] So, we felt that by having a vertical intensification utilizing the existing footprint and expanding
[21:10] it would be a worse and path than what we're proposing tonight.
[21:22] I guess the question is,
[21:26] if you rebuild the houses to be rebuilt, if you rebuild the house
[21:30] with the exact same footprint and volume that he has, is it a livable house?
[21:36] No, it's not.
[21:37] It's a cape.
[21:38] So there's a small dormer on the roof.
[21:41] What is the current floor area of the house that's left blank on here?
[21:46] I don't believe we calculated it.
[21:48] Well, the incalculate is the place to raise the property, so there's no information about the existing structure.
[21:54] But we can.
[21:55] You can't confuse.
[21:56] Yes.
[22:02] I think we've all been in a Cape Cod style home.
[22:05] You know, ones that have been renovated, ones that haven't been touched.
[22:08] And it's not a really livable house.
[22:10] It's a very compartmentalized layout.
[22:13] The attic is, you know, the bedrooms are underneath a sloping roof.
[22:16] There's a small donor that facilitates the bathroom.
[22:18] and it's two attic bedrooms, basically.
[22:21] And that's not really what people are looking for.
[22:25] Nobody would take this house renovated as is.
[22:28] If you raise the roof and went up,
[22:29] I think you'd have a similar bulk
[22:32] against the neighbor as what we're proposing.
[22:35] We would want to increase the footprint
[22:37] to make the floor plan more usable
[22:40] since the layout is very small and tight.
[22:44] And again, doesn't meet the needs
[22:46] of what people are looking for.
[22:47] Is
[22:52] it possible to build a house for someone who is looking for a 2 bedroom that is comfortable?
[23:01] I guess anything is possible, sure.
[23:06] I just don't think that the builder or an end user.
[23:11] I have rarely, does a client come to me whether in this town or any town that says,
[23:16] I just want to, you know, maybe extend a dormer and make the bedroom a little bit bigger.
[23:20] It would be highly unusual, especially in Iran, to only proceed with a redevelopment plan
[23:28] that incorporates such a modest change.
[23:33] Okay.
[23:33] And the last question for now, sorry, if we did touch the garage, do we reduce all those
[23:41] alliances?
[23:43] No, because the way the ordinance reads, you would get the credit of the detached garage area
[23:48] from four area ratio, but it still would contribute to building coverage, so the building coverage
[23:54] would be basically the same. The only disadvantage would be that by detaching the garage, we would
[24:00] have more driveway, typically that's what happens, and then that would increase the lot coverage.
[24:06] Yeah, but if you detached the garage, you wouldn't have to space a load to garage, which means
[24:11] that floor area ratio would be that eliminated, probably it would eliminate the 300 square feet
[24:16] that the applicant is seeking.
[24:18] Yeah, it's interesting that the way that your ordinance is written is that FAR is two
[24:24] times building coverage.
[24:26] So to get your whole four-hour ratio, it would be basically a cube.
[24:32] And cubes, in my opinion, they have their spot and can be nice for a relation to the facade.
[24:39] A lot of visual interest and shadow lines.
[24:41] And we've all driven around town.
[24:43] You see a lot of the new builds, and they're really just tubes with maybe a little bit of ornamentation.
[25:00] I think that detracts from the community. I think getting a little bit more coverage or a little bit more floor area to give us the ability to articulate these facades and create a more attractive envelope goes a long way to preserving the charm that the borough has.
[25:22] There's a difference between granting a variance in favor of something that is consistent with the master plan as opposed to one that's not.
[25:32] I know that's probably, we're past the architect questions here, so I apologize.
[25:38] No, it's okay.
[25:40] Go ahead.
[25:41] I'll just apologize.
[25:41] Sure.
[25:44] Okay.
[25:44] Let's see.
[25:46] Yeah, so,
[25:49] yeah, we were really looking to do a house that really engaged the corner that
[25:53] was attractive by both Willow and Hillside, something that was durable, energy efficient.
[25:58] And again, like I just stated, had a nice character.
[26:01] So, these are the drawings dated July 7th.
[26:05] The first is the front elevation index and the area numbers.
[26:15] Next page is the finished basement plan.
[26:20] It's at the top.
[26:21] It consists of a play area, gym, study, and guest bedroom.
[26:26] These are an historic area utility space.
[26:29] These are just kind of generic labels since we don't have a user.
[26:32] I just came up with ideas of what these spaces should be used for, but they're really flex
[26:36] spaces that anybody can use for any reason.
[26:39] Next floor is the first floor.
[26:41] There's the attached garage that we just discussed, and it's generally in the same location
[26:46] as the existing house.
[26:48] You walk in, there's a very small foyer with a powder room adjacent to it, a dining room,
[26:53] and then a kind of an open concept kitchen, family, breakfast area.
[26:57] We decided to create this open complex.
[27:19] Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we created this open concept to make the space feel larger while minimizing
[27:26] the amount of floor area by having the spaces visually share and overlap one another.
[27:35] We also have a small porch here on the front that allows access out to the yard.
[27:42] Now flipping to sheet 8th, right at
[27:48] the top of the drawing is the roof plan.
[27:50] This is just to show that there's no finished attic area and allows for the calculations
[27:55] for that half-story below at the bottom of the page is the second floor plan.
[28:01] The second floor plan consists of four bedrooms on sweet bath, a hall bath,
[28:06] and a primary suite with a laundry room.
[28:12] Next is the elevations.
[28:15] I
[28:18] labeled the elevations as you would typically find, although it's different than the way that Mr. Brightly had defined them.
[28:31] So there's the interior side yard, exterior side yard on rear yard.
[28:36] So it is a little bit different, but you can kind of get the sense of which the sides of the house are.
[28:42] This is the front that willow, this is the front that hillside, this is the side opposite hillside, and this is the side opposite willow.
[28:54] I have a rendering here, I'd like to bring up, I submitted as an additional exhibit.
[29:00] Sure, we can just walk it.
[29:01] Okay,
[29:07] is it A1, Mr. Dwyer?
[29:09] Yeah, I
[29:14] felt it was better to kind of, yes.
[29:20] The A1 is a computer-generated photo-realistic rendering of the home dated today produced
[29:28] by my office.
[29:29] Thank you.
[29:33] This is a conceptual rendering, it's not 100% accurate, but I think it really speaks
[29:38] to how the house will look on the property, and I thought it was better to talk about some
[29:42] of the things that we did here to kind of break down the scale and create a more attractive
[29:46] appearance.
[29:47] You can say that House has a very attractive facade on hillside as well as on Willow.
[29:53] I articulated the volumes as I was mentioning earlier.
[29:56] You can see there's a variety of roof peaks.
[29:58] the facade.
[30:02] We also use a variety of materials to create texture and texture creates more visual interest. Again, breaking down scale. We have a stone base that really grounds us to the site as well as the trim band along the middle. That further breaks down the scale of the home. We have a nice portico here at the entry, and this is the port I've mentioned that allows access to the yard. And I think these really engage the house with the community.
[30:27] really creates the connection, you know, so many houses turn their back to the neighborhood
[30:32] and here we're trying to engage the house to the street, especially since the primary
[30:37] living space will be on the side.
[30:41] This house was actually inspired by another house I had designed in town about six years
[30:47] ago, it was on the corner of Elmwood and Milton, right across from the Milton Street School.
[30:51] It's a house that, you know, everybody seems to really like, I've gotten a lot of compliments
[30:54] on it, I think it's a similar situation where it was a corner a lot, needed variance
[30:59] relief, and you know, it was a narrow neighborhood in transition down at the end there.
[31:05] And what we did is really to try to create something that was complementary to the neighborhood,
[31:12] you know, create something that really kind of works.
[31:15] And everybody that walked through that house said, although the rooms are not generous in size,
[31:19] they really encompasses everything that a family needs in a home.
[31:23] There wasn't a lot of wasted space, and that's what we tried to do here.
[31:27] Try to maximize every square foot while minimizing the overall square footage of the home.
[31:32] Overall, I believe what we've created here really improved was currently on the site.
[31:37] It enhances the usefulness of the home, the usefulness of the property, improves the housing stock,
[31:42] and I think would be a benefit to chat them in the bar of.
[31:45] That's all I really have. Open it up to any question.
[31:50] Let's turn to Mr. Brightley's correspondence in particular, 0.6 raises some questions here.
[32:01] No, I'm not here.
[32:06] Yes.
[32:07] And I believe you covered some of these.
[32:10] But in 0.6, he's asking certain questions regarding the architectural drawings.
[32:16] So just take it to support A.
[32:18] Yes. Okay.
[32:25] Yes, so to go over these points, this is Mr. Bartley's comments from Boswell
[32:30] Engineering, dated July 22nd, 2026. Number six comments pertain to architectural drawings.
[32:39] First one is just about the legend, so we have that finished basement plan on sheet.
[32:45] Yeah, but you'll be, you'll comply with that.
[32:47] Yes, we'll comply with that.
[32:48] Yes.
[32:49] Yes, of course.
[32:51] A finished basement plan on A2 indicates a guest bedroom.
[32:55] The egress well, there's no egress well.
[32:56] The drawings were subsequently updated on 77, and the well was eliminated.
[33:03] You still have a link?
[33:06] Okay, it's a mistake.
[33:07] Mr. Treballi, are you, sorry.
[33:10] So the plan's still available on egress well, without the help of any chance.
[33:13] That was one of the questions Mr. Treballi had.
[33:15] that. Also, the other question was, does having a window provide a required egress from
[33:22] the public food?
[33:24] You had enough to respond to those. The well on the plan is a typo. It'll be eliminated.
[33:29] And the window does meet the code requirement for egress.
[33:40] And I just see it was just relabeling the elevation views.
[33:47] I do not.
[33:48] Thank you.
[33:53] I'll put it up to the board members.
[33:55] Any members have any other questions?
[33:57] Yeah, I have one question, so on the application, it says it's a construction of a 2.5 story,
[34:05] single family dwelling on the various planets, shows it as a two family, what's the distinction between two and two and a half?
[34:14] It's a calculation, it's a 2.5 story dwelling, so the attic does not count as a story, it's just a half story.
[34:23] And then the attic, I know that it has a notation here that it's not finished, but if it
[34:32] were finished, what would be usable?
[34:35] No, it's a low attic and there's the only way to access it would be a full downstairs.
[34:40] What's the ceiling pipe?
[34:42] In the attic?
[34:43] Yeah.
[34:43] So,
[34:50] I get a frog to me.
[34:51] Please.
[35:06] The, the, the, the finished basements is not count towards the area. It's not correct? It does not. Okay. And overall what's being proposed is a five-bedroom, three-fold, two-half-bed structure. Right? One-half-bed. One-half-bed, there's not one in the basement. I thought I saw that. I saw a full-bed. So four-fold, one-half-bed.
[35:32] Two-fold on the second-fold and one-fold in the basement. So three-fold. And one-half.
[35:36] I'm not mistaken.
[35:41] Yeah.
[35:43] Three.
[35:44] Well, there's a half.
[35:45] The other is a four.
[35:46] There was a half on the first floor.
[35:49] A four on the basement.
[35:50] And two four on the basement.
[35:52] Three on the floor.
[35:52] So four full bed.
[35:53] One half bed.
[35:54] Five bed.
[35:54] Yes.
[36:00] I'm sorry.
[36:01] Frontier outside the yard.
[36:03] The front yard is with those three, correct?
[36:06] For our both performers, the front yard is hillside.
[36:10] The front yard is hillside.
[36:12] Yes, place that the front of the structure is not tasty, but it's all in good terms and that's the purpose.
[36:19] So the front is a little side.
[36:21] So, on your drawing what you have block 104, that's the backyard.
[36:25] Right?
[36:34] And Lilo is the side yard?
[36:36] Well, that's the exterior side yard.
[36:39] Exterior side of the house.
[36:41] And next your neighbor is interior side yard.
[36:45] interior. And the rear is opposite. So the back of the rear,
[37:04] this is the other side.
[37:08] The house is very well designed to go next to the house. It's very bulky compared to the
[37:14] neighboring houses. It doesn't seem to pay any homage to your neighbors. They're all smaller,
[37:19] case, smaller houses, this thing just sticks right up on that corner over everything and when
[37:25] I look at it from the street view, maybe down the block and will others with some bigger
[37:31] houses.
[37:32] This is the other houses around it.
[37:36] Yeah I think.
[37:37] It's more of a planner's question I think, more of a planning question, I don't know that
[37:41] Mr. Mueller's qualified to answer that, I mean you can talk about that.
[37:45] Considering, I mean, if you look at scaling it down a little bit, I know you can get a very functional
[37:51] tape with, you know, four bedrooms, three beds, under 3,000, well under 3,000 square feet without a problem.
[38:00] And you're starting to scratch, right?
[38:02] Yeah.
[38:03] So we're under 3,000 as well.
[38:05] And you've been told now a little bit here.
[38:07] Yeah, I think it's just the nature of this neighborhood, I think, that a lot of the houses were built
[38:14] in the 1950s by a developer was a cookie cutter situation where a lot of the houses are
[38:20] the same. And I think over time, and you can see it happening, the houses along Hill
[38:26] side are being redeveloped. And these older homes are bringing out of being changed and
[38:32] built up to modern standards.
[38:35] Thank you, Susan.
[38:36] I just have one quick. I may have listed something. What is the height of the proposed elevation?
[38:44] It's conforming. I have a number here. It's just
[38:50] under 35, 34, 9.
[38:53] So, the 35 feet, okay. And then we do have a plan or a coming up, right?
[38:59] Yeah, and a lot of that height is dictated by the slope of the property.
[39:04] It slopes quite a bit down, down, well up, so that contributes to the number.
[39:12] Where is it 35 on the garage side or by the...
[39:18] I believe it's an average.
[39:20] It's an average.
[39:21] So there is part where more than 35 feet because of the elevation.
[39:29] We cannot be engineered go over the high calculations.
[39:33] Can you remember us having other questions in the architect?
[39:37] I was asked before, maybe I missed it, but you know, you're proposing, on the 4A, you're
[39:45] proposing 3,000 square feet.
[39:49] If you kept it within the 2700 allowable, I thought you'd answer with that, you end up with
[39:57] a square house or a box house.
[39:58] Thank you very much.
[40:00] I'm not sure, I understand why that's the case. Like, why is that, it's like 300 feet of FAR,
[40:07] 300 square feet of FAR. Like, how does that change the design of the house that looks,
[40:13] this is a nice design. And so, I'm just trying to understand why, like, what's driving
[40:19] the size here? Like, you couldn't eliminate it. I made an up eliminated bedroom, make the rooms
[40:23] a little smaller and have a still a functional house that is, you know, the more sensitive
[40:29] variants issues that we tend to hear?
[40:33] Yeah, I would say that to go back to the statement I made earlier, to achieve the FAR that's
[40:42] allowed on the lot, it's two times building coverage, so the only way that would be achievable
[40:48] would be by having basically a box, right?
[40:50] it's the first and second floors would be the same area.
[40:54] And if we took a made the garage detache,
[40:57] you're losing all that footprint,
[40:58] so then you'll lose all that area,
[41:00] basically you lose double the garage area
[41:02] in the livable space that it has.
[41:08] So I've said before that a lot of towns
[41:12] have give you a little bit more building coverage
[41:15] to allow you to have a little bit more interesting home.
[41:19] In this case, we decided to create
[41:21] a little bit more interesting home, try to, you know, since it's not specifically for an
[41:26] end user, we're trying to appeal to a wider market, thinking about, you know, by working
[41:31] in town for so many years, thinking about what people are looking for, trying to take
[41:36] every box and get the house as close as possible, while I still think being sensitive to the neighborhood.
[41:46] Any other members have any other questions to witness? Any member of the public has any
[41:51] The question is where you go to the vote, and I asked Henry a question.
[41:54] Henry, you're on the top of the page for there's a question.
[41:57] I believe we addressed it, but
[42:01] you asked that the applicant can confirm the basement is not considered a walk-out.
[42:05] Yeah, I think that's not going to testify to that.
[42:08] He indicated in such, but I think, like, two questions.
[42:10] One is, we need additional testimony as to why it's not in accordance with the definition.
[42:16] And then, secondly, while I understand that the engineer is going to come up and talk about the height measurements,
[42:21] At some point, somebody has to show how those pipe measurement actually meets the definition as a filter.
[42:28] I appreciate the fact that you consider it's not a walkout basement, but we need some calculations proving that.
[42:35] You would like me to calculate the basement area below the grade plan, is that correct?
[42:41] Okay, sure, we can provide that.
[42:48] Yes, I believe.
[42:49] The division of building that.
[42:50] Yeah, I think Mr. Clark will go over the building height.
[42:53] But he has probably had a point as far as how that number was calculated.
[42:58] And if he's sweating behind me, I'll try to put together some information myself.
[43:02] What are we?
[43:03] I did have a question with regards to location of the garage.
[43:10] As you indicated, it slopes down along Willow.
[43:15] And so I noticed some of the other buildings or other residential units along this roadway.
[43:22] they actually put the garage on the opposite side.
[43:26] So you take advantage of the topography going down,
[43:29] so you're kind of going into the garage,
[43:30] whereas this is a little bit different.
[43:34] And I think one of the things that may feel a bit more,
[43:38] having more building mass is the fact that this thing sticks
[43:41] a little bit out of the ground more
[43:43] so than what you see across the board.
[43:45] You know, the area that you would,
[43:47] you were the porches would normally be a garage.
[43:50] There's more of a subterian feel to it, whereas this probably sits a little bit higher than most of the buildings.
[43:57] Any thoughts as to why you did that?
[44:00] Yeah, we thought by keeping the garage in similar to the location as now would be the better location.
[44:05] I thought that by creating, moving the garage to the other side of the home,
[44:12] we would have to create a level cut here, and then that would create more of a shear wall.
[44:16] And I think by way we're designing this by having it step up to a porch the porch push in let me
[44:24] Move to the right right here by the having the porch push in. I think breaks up that area that would if it was the garage would be
[44:33] More solid portion of the house giving the appearance of greater height even though it would be basically the same
[44:40] So this approach having the garage here on the other side
[44:44] we're not giving up you know all that height above the garage creating a high interior volume
[44:50] making the house look a little bit taller and so by stepping it in and out on that side
[44:55] but brace down the height by not having it just a-
[45:01] That's kind of round about way to answer it, but hopefully that answer was clear. Thank you. Well, it also be that if you're really looking at the musical outdoor space to be proposed on the left side of the house. And if you have a garage on the left side of the house, you'd have to walk out the garage to go to the yard. Exactly. It allowed us to have more of the windows along Willow facing the street and also facing the rear yard, as opposed to the other way which would require a lot more of the last.
[45:28] on the interior side yard which would create greater visual connection to the
[45:36] neighbor to the right, decreasing their privacy. So the only real windows we have on
[45:41] the right side of the house is in the dining room which is not a room that's
[45:44] used heavily and I think that preserves the privacy between the two houses so
[45:49] that's a good point Mr. Sibelius by finishing the garage where it is opens the
[45:53] house more to the yard and creates more privacy for the surrounding neighbor.
[45:58] Any other questions from the members or any other questions?
[46:03] Any member of the public have any questions?
[46:05] The witness based on the testimony presented.
[46:11] A second.
[46:17] We need to just need you to answer your link.
[46:20] Go to the microphone, please.
[46:21] Yeah, here.
[46:21] Oh, sure.
[46:22] Yeah, sure.
[46:23] Just your name and address please.
[46:25] Scott Cornish, eight willow street.
[46:28] Sorry, Mr. Cornish, please raise your right hand.
[46:30] That's a cool question.
[46:31] Just asking a question, which way?
[46:33] Only a question?
[46:33] No, I'm just a question.
[46:34] My question was, it's more kind of apropos, Mr. Barrett asked, but are you saying you're
[46:43] not able to design a house with a similar aesthetic that's about 300 less square feet?
[46:50] Is that what you're saying?
[46:53] I'm not saying it's impossible to design a smaller house.
[46:57] I'm saying it would be challenging to design a house 300 square feet smaller and achieve
[47:03] the same programmatic requirements that we had, you know, 300 square feet is
[47:08] is greater in size than, you know, one or probably one and a half to two bedrooms.
[47:14] So that's a good amount of four areas to fill them in.
[47:19] So yes,
[47:20] could something smaller be designed, of course? Would it meet the needs of most people in
[47:28] I would say no.
[47:37] I'm sorry.
[47:37] Can you go?
[47:38] Yes.
[47:38] I'll be happy to have you with me.
[47:40] My question there is just, you know,
[47:42] I live in a house, I live next to where it's about 300.
[47:45] I think we're 20s, 2007, 50, or 20s.
[47:48] It's a smaller house.
[47:49] I'm a family of five.
[47:51] We fit in it, meets our needs.
[47:52] So I was just wanting the basis for the state
[47:54] that it doesn't meet our needs.
[47:55] Which house is yours?
[47:57] 8 Willow Street.
[47:58] So I'm in the house, depending on what you're on,
[48:01] I think the rear of the applicant's proposed structure.
[48:06] So we're going down the willow on the left side.
[48:09] On the right side.
[48:10] OK.
[48:10] Are you allowed to?
[48:12] I think I'm allowed to.
[48:13] I mean, you're 18, OK, young.
[48:15] Yeah.
[48:16] The 38-foot side of that has a proposed home.
[48:22] OK.
[48:23] So the
[48:27] nice thing about architecture is
[48:28] anything's really possible.
[48:30] You know, you can be creative and come up with different things,
[48:32] different ideas, different house forms, different shapes.
[48:34] We felt for this lot. This was the best use
[48:42] any of the questions from the members of color
[49:16] I'm ready
[49:25] Andrew Clark C. L. A. R. K. E
[49:34] your licenses are still up-to-date and we do this in a good failing record. Your address please.
[49:42] 466 Southern Boulevard in Chattano, New Jersey.
[49:46] Andrew, are you prepared the variance plan?
[49:54] I did.
[50:01] So why don't we welcome forward?
[50:05] Certainly. I'll be making reference to that plan. It's entitled Variance Plan with a date of July 13, 2026. May no marks or indications on the plan, so it's as submitted. I'll describe first the existing conditions.
[50:33] So on my plan and the upper left corner is the existing conditions based upon the survey that I conducted earlier this year.
[50:39] And so the lot is on the corner as discussed of the corner of Willow and Hillside Avenue.
[50:45] It's addressed at 2.05 Hillside Avenue in the existing.
[50:50] And in the existing the front faces Willow Street along with the garage.
[50:55] The lot size is below the minimum 9,300 square feet at 7,667 square feet.
[51:04] It's a lot one in block 104 in the R2 zone, approximately 139 and change deep, and about
[51:15] just shy of 55 feet wide as far as a lot to mention.
[51:20] The existing house is situated facing Willow Street.
[51:25] If you're standing on Willow Street facing the house, the garage is on the right side to the
[51:30] right of the garage.
[51:31] is a paved area. Not sure if it's quite wide enough to park a car, but it might be close.
[51:38] And then there's an entrance in between the attached garage and the main body of the house.
[51:44] On the left side is a patio that's facing that rear yard and accessible from within the dwelling.
[51:54] The setbacks that exist on this property in the existing condition along Willow Street or
[52:00] or rather hillside, it's a 30.4 at the nearest point
[52:03] and 31.4 at the right corner there on the Willow Street,
[52:09] which would be the exterior side yard.
[52:12] 30 feet required, the existing is 19.1 and 19,
[52:16] well it's parallel, 19.1 in both locations.
[52:20] And in the rear yard, it's 62.7 on the right side,
[52:24] the nearest point is at the back of the attached garage,
[52:28] we're at 7.2
[52:29] and the main body of the house is at 10.5.
[52:35] The topography is such that it grades from hillside,
[52:38] it slopes down Willow Street.
[52:41] So the grade at the hillside end is about 193
[52:45] and you're about 183 at the back side of the property,
[52:49] the lower end of the property on Willow.
[52:51] So it drops down a significant amount
[52:53] as you go down Willow Street.
[52:57] The proposed conditions, there are no existing drainage improvements other than discharging
[53:04] the roof leaders at grade primarily.
[53:07] One of them may be in disrepair and discharging the curb, but nothing, no formal stormwater
[53:15] management for the existing site.
[53:16] So on the proposed conditions, you reviewed that house itself, but in terms of the bulk standards and the positioning of the house, I think you can see that it's very similarly situated in terms of where the house is on the lot.
[53:33] Starting on hillside, we're at 31 and 31 and a half feet.
[53:38] So it's very similar, nearly identical to the existing setback.
[53:43] And while that doesn't conform with the average that is employed for the 200 foot properties,
[53:51] there's four lots along hillside that make up that average.
[53:55] I have a table here demonstrating that and that the average is 34.85.
[54:00] We don't meet that.
[54:01] But what we are doing is positioning the house at the same setback as the existing dwelling.
[54:07] And I felt that that was a strong position to be in because I surveyed the houses,
[54:14] those four houses, and you have those setbacks.
[54:16] What's interesting here is that the setbacks vary to get increasing as you head away from
[54:22] Willow Street.
[54:23] But that's because the houses are all essentially in line, but the street line deviates,
[54:28] and it's not parallel with that.
[54:30] So the farther you go up hillside, the bigger the setback, but visually the houses are almost perfectly in line
[54:38] So this 31.5 is in line with that that line of houses there
[54:44] Visually, so that's why we placed it there even though it doesn't conform to the to the average setback
[54:49] We of course could have moved it back a few more feet to conform to that, but it would seem
[54:56] Sort of disinit with the existing streetscape
[55:00] So that's the front setback. The exterior side yard along Willis Street, 14 feet is the portico setback. So that's the closest point. And it's for the portico. And then there's the projection, small projection next to the portico that's at 16.6. And then the main body of the house is at 17.1. So it's a little bit closer to that. Part of that is because we wanted to keep 10 feet on the right side.
[55:30] side along the entire side with that neighbor on lot 2 so we held 10 feet and so that brings
[55:38] in that portion that's at 7.2 existing we're bringing that in and respecting that 10 foot set
[55:44] back it's not the 12 to get the 12 would have caused more proximity to Willow Street and even a
[55:52] smaller exterior side yard there so this seemed like a decent balance of those yards in that sense
[56:00] And then the rear yard is at 46.3, Chattam, the burrow calculates the height as part
[56:11] of the rear yard and front yard setback, so the rear yard setback is 1.5 times the height.
[56:19] And so that would be based on our 34.9 foot, I think it was pointed out in the memo that
[56:27] that would be 52.35, would be the required rear yard.
[56:32] I have 52.5, I apply 35 feet times one and a half
[56:37] and that's what I applied.
[56:38] So they're very similar in terms of the requirement
[56:41] and our deficiency in that.
[56:43] But we don't meet that rear yard regardless.
[56:48] So that's the orientation and the positioning.
[56:52] In terms of the engineering and the grading,
[56:54] We're maintaining the same grading paradigm for the property.
[56:58] The grades are essentially in the same arrangement.
[57:03] We are, however, adding a dry well that's going to capture the bulk of the house.
[57:08] The two roof leaders that would be at the back can't get there quite by gravity.
[57:12] So we're going to bring those to the curb.
[57:15] That's a minor portion of the roof area.
[57:18] In fact, we are reducing slightly the lot coverage and we're conforming on the lot coverage.
[57:25] So, you know, in a normal permit condition, it would be not as intense a stormwater requirement,
[57:33] but we wanted to make sure we got a pretty good job with that.
[57:36] So we've got the bulk of the house being managed with the drywell up along Hillside.
[57:43] There were some questions about the height.
[57:45] The height is indicated on here.
[57:48] There's a calculation for it.
[57:49] I have the numbers in the circles, which historically,
[57:53] that's been the way that Chattonborough calculates the height.
[57:56] It's computed at each corner.
[57:58] So you take the grade at the corner compared to the roof,
[58:01] the roof peak elevation.
[58:03] And that's the height at that corner.
[58:05] And you do that at all four corners and average them.
[58:07] It's not unlike a calculation where you simply average the grade at the four corners
[58:12] and compared to the peak.
[58:13] It's essentially the same number, but that's how it's represented.
[58:17] So on the hillside avenue side, the elevation will appear to have a 32-foot height that's
[58:24] 31.5 and 32 feet on the height as calculated on the elevation on hillside.
[58:30] But at the lower end of the site, where 38 feet is the peak to the grade in those locations.
[58:37] So that's because the grade drops off as I indicated before.
[58:42] So the average of that gets you to the allowable height or just under the allowable height at 34.9.
[58:50] Now in terms of the basement, it's not a story above grade or walk out basement in any way.
[58:58] For a few reasons, I'm sure that if I did what I call the 50% rule calculation,
[59:03] where you analyze the difference between the floors and how much foundation is exposed,
[59:08] it would easily meet that, and that's evident for, and we can provide that, of course.
[59:15] It's evident for a couple of reasons.
[59:17] Typically, when you have that type of situation, your first floor to the average grade
[59:22] is usually more than 6 feet, or at least 6 feet, or at like 4 feet, 4.1, I think.
[59:29] And in the back where we have the 38-foot height, the basement elevation is actually,
[59:34] I think it's 2.5 or 3 feet below the grave there.
[59:38] So it's, it would not be possible without stairs that come up to exit out that, that side of house.
[59:45] And the only reason the existing house has a walkhouse because the basement is so shallow
[59:57] while in its ceiling height, so the floor of the base...
[1:00:10] So that's how they were able to have a little bit of a walkout on the back of the existing house. But I'm confident if we do the 50% rule, which we can do, it would demonstrate that it's not a walkout or a story about great.
[1:00:23] Mr. Hart, can you just confirm that you took the measurements from the existing grade versus the proposed grade for the height?
[1:00:36] Yeah, so it
[1:00:55] is from the existing because you can see the 185 contour in the existing condition comes right into the back of that house there.
[1:01:07] So, that would be the 185 would be the 38-foot differential there.
[1:01:12] And in the front, the existing and proposed grades are nearly the same.
[1:01:18] And I didn't see the actual total measurement on the architectural plans, the height of
[1:01:25] to the bottom side of the building.
[1:01:29] I just see a measure of 30 feet, five inches, I think it says.
[1:01:36] Did you get the actual heights from the architect?
[1:01:41] The difference between the proposed grade and the peak
[1:01:44] at the back so that we coordinated on the dimensions
[1:01:50] of the house and usually what I coordinate most closely
[1:01:55] on is the first floor to ridge dimension and then I work on the grades and the rest of
[1:02:00] that's driven from the engineering plan. In this case, the 30 feet six inches is the
[1:02:08] first floor to ridge, but the 38 feet would represent the 223 minus 185. At the house, we're
[1:02:16] a little bit above 185 in the proposed grade. It's 185 and a half, so it's around that 38,
[1:02:23] 837 and a half for the actual measure to mention there.
[1:02:28] And
[1:02:34] I think that describes the proposed conditions.
[1:02:37] I can walk through the engineering memo, or field questions in whichever order.
[1:02:45] Yeah, I mean, top level, first of all, I see no issues or problems with satisfying the comments in the letter.
[1:03:01] Yep.
[1:03:03] Let's talk about number three, which is-
[1:03:05] Oh right, three of the driveway.
[1:03:07] Yeah, I haven't highlighted it as something to touch on with a little more explanation.
[1:03:11] So the proposed driveway is, the existing driveway is 23 feet wide at the street, at the curb line.
[1:03:20] And what we're proposing is almost exactly in the same place.
[1:03:24] In fact, our curb line that's closest to hillside is five feet farther away from hillside than
[1:03:29] in the existing curb cut and driveway.
[1:03:32] And we're making an 18 feet rather than 23 feet.
[1:03:36] That's just so you don't have a little 16 to 18 foot
[1:03:40] wiggle at the end and can have sort of a clean
[1:03:44] backup maneuver in and out of the driveway.
[1:03:47] But I don't think that the design waiver deviation
[1:03:50] is significant.
[1:03:52] In fact, I think keeping the driveway in the same position
[1:03:55] is something that everyone's familiar with in the neighborhood.
[1:03:58] it's in the same position relative to Hillside. It's on Willow Street, which I think is a better location for the driveway than Hillside, and I don't think there's any negative aspects to granting such a waiver.
[1:04:21] Yeah, that's that's that when you get 16 feet, you can't quite fit to car side by side 18 feet
[1:04:28] you can that's, you know, a standard parking stall on a parking lot would be nine feet wide. So two
[1:04:33] times that, you know, gives you the ability to park to car side by side. And you could still do it
[1:04:38] with a 16 foot. You just have to start at 16 and then and do a little maneuver
[1:04:43] to park side by side.
[1:04:48] So I have an objection to the waiver,
[1:04:52] reducing the way from 23 to 18 more
[1:04:55] in conformance with what the requirement is.
[1:05:00] Roger, and the 18-foot width does allow for a little bit more space for two cars to be parted side by side.
[1:05:10] Yeah, that was the one I had highlighted in the comments as far as requiring some discussion. The other comments, to me, look like mostly detail oriented, which is all fine.
[1:05:22] And
[1:05:29] a draw on your proposal and we'd also recommend you to
[1:05:38] be here with everything else.
[1:05:39] I have no further comments for you.
[1:05:41] Thank you, Mr. Williams.
[1:05:44] Any further tests?
[1:05:45] Morning, please.
[1:05:46] Any members have any questions?
[1:05:47] Mr. Carlin?
[1:05:50] Is there anything?
[1:05:51] Yeah.
[1:05:51] So I had a couple of questions with regards to tree removal.
[1:05:54] It looks like there's some grading occurring.
[1:05:56] There's a 36 inch, which is what it is, large tree, as well as never green towards the front.
[1:06:03] Are they going to remain?
[1:06:05] Yes.
[1:06:05] Yes.
[1:06:06] Okay.
[1:06:06] So I would encourage maybe some less fill, actually there's some, because there's maybe some
[1:06:13] this fill occurring within the drip line of that tree, is there any way that we can try
[1:06:20] to avoid that?
[1:06:24] I mean, yeah, a little bit.
[1:06:26] We could, we could pull that 26 contour a little bit up, that would be possible.
[1:06:33] I did try to minimize the grading impacts along there.
[1:06:36] In fact, there was a little more grading in the right
[1:06:38] away that was one of the things that changed
[1:06:41] in the original submission to this plan.
[1:06:45] But yeah, we certainly make every effort
[1:06:47] to save that tree.
[1:06:48] It's a very, it's a nice tree.
[1:06:50] It's a nice tree.
[1:06:51] Yeah.
[1:06:51] And the two up in the front are both significant size
[1:06:56] that are on our property.
[1:06:57] We're intending to save those.
[1:07:00] And the silt fence would indicate that we're trying to keep.
[1:07:06] No, there's no grading planned up there and I kept the dry well far enough away that we
[1:07:10] should be impacting the root system there.
[1:07:13] Okay.
[1:07:13] And would the applicant agree to the screening of the AC units in the generator?
[1:07:18] Yes.
[1:07:19] Okay, so that would be a potential condition of any kind of approval.
[1:07:25] Lighting any proposed lighting that was being provided as part of the applications?
[1:07:31] Yeah, I think just ordinary residential lighting, you know, in the portico, you know, up up up above and
[1:07:40] No, like flood lights in the past. No, no, no. We'll produce something that's sensitive and reduces glare sort of a dark-skies type approach
[1:07:49] On the outdoor lighting. Great. Thank you.
[1:07:55] Questions from the board?
[1:07:58] Any member of the public having any questions for the witness based on the witness testimony?
[1:08:06] I'm not seeing a zoning chart
[1:08:10] Yeah, it's on mine. It's just to the left of the variance plan title block. So I have the
[1:08:18] table. There's a table to the left.
[1:08:57] My name is Keith Young. I live at 207 Hillside Avenue, which would be the interior right
[1:09:05] side of the new, I guess.
[1:09:07] If you're looking at from hillside, it will be on the right hand side, yeah.
[1:09:12] Lot to. So my question is, as a gentleman had brought up earlier that a lot of the houses are smaller in that area.
[1:09:21] We live in a K pod. Is there been any study done concerning how much, since it's a two and a half story structure, which is going to tower over a lot of the other houses?
[1:09:33] Is there any study done on how much sunlight and just natural space is going to be cut out by that?
[1:09:42] And also I had a question, the other question I have just to, in the drawings there was a bump out for the fireplace,
[1:09:49] which would be, I believe, on our side of the house on the interior right side.
[1:09:56] And I'm not sure exactly how far that comes out.
[1:10:00] We have a number of trees along that side of the yard. So
[1:10:05] I'll be a property line. Would you say your structure is? Our structure? I'd say it's about 10 feet.
[1:10:17] My guess is the existing structure, because the existing structure that we're talking about, the garage bumps out further. So it's about seven, approximately seven feet from the property line. If that was in full,
[1:10:33] they would be about even.
[1:10:41] Actually, I just have a quick question.
[1:10:45] Yeah,
[1:10:50] so a couple of things.
[1:10:52] I do have the dwelling located on the survey.
[1:10:56] And I did locate the house, so in terms of the numbers,
[1:11:02] your house is 8.8 feet off of the boundary.
[1:11:06] at those two nearest corners, and then it jogs in a little bit in the back.
[1:11:11] Our fireplace projects about two feet off of it a little bit more than two feet, so it's
[1:11:17] 7.9 feet is the setback to the boundary.
[1:11:21] Shouldn't interfere with the very mature row of our varieties that are in there, provide
[1:11:26] great screening in the backyard, admittedly, and we shouldn't be impacting those in any
[1:11:30] way.
[1:11:30] I think any occupant of this property
[1:11:33] would also benefit from those mature trees.
[1:11:39] Those are the condenses also for the ACs, units?
[1:11:42] Yes, there's two of them and emergency generator
[1:11:47] that's shown.
[1:11:48] OK, and a question to you, what's on your side
[1:11:52] facing those degenerator and the condenses?
[1:11:56] We have air conditioners on that side of the house.
[1:11:58] We have air conditioners on that side of the house
[1:11:59] two units. And then we have a number of windows on the house that would be facing the new structure.
[1:12:07] That's all of the conventions. Yeah, basically, yes. I mean, as was noted, we have a
[1:12:15] role of our varieties there which create a nice natural barrier between the yards, but they're
[1:12:21] they're large, you know, so. And you have a big window on that side. We do. Yes. Yeah.
[1:12:27] Yeah.
[1:12:31] Is there was a question about whether there was a study done?
[1:12:34] Right.
[1:12:35] All right.
[1:12:35] That was the other thing about the sunlight.
[1:12:37] We didn't do a study per se, but what I can say is that this dwelling is northeast of
[1:12:44] you.
[1:12:45] So in terms of sunlight, most of your sunlight is coming from the southern exposure, just
[1:12:50] sort of your backyard.
[1:12:52] So this shouldn't, this dwelling shouldn't be interfering much with your sunlight as it normally
[1:12:57] exists.
[1:13:04] Questions from the member of the public?
[1:13:06] questions
[1:13:12] for the witness.
[1:13:27] Yeah it's about 10 to 9. Yeah it's probably good
[1:13:30] segue at this point for in-between witnesses to take 10 minutes. That's okay thank
[1:13:35] you very much I'd like to talk to my client given that you don't have the
[1:13:39] requisite. It might be in the right
[1:13:44] to continue or
[1:13:46] trip. Trip, we'll take 10 minutes. Thank you sir. See you back around 9 p.m.
[1:13:50] Recording
[1:13:59] stopped.
[1:24:54] All done, second.
[1:24:57] We're going to stay in the award anyway.
[1:24:59] Thank you very much.
[1:25:02] Okay.
[1:25:09] Recording in progress. No. Okay, we're back from our break. Yes, you take a break. You met with your clients. What say you? If I may, I'd ask that Mr. Clark just be asked to put on their oath again. I'd like him to address the story issue on the home because I'm not sure it's clear on the record.
[1:25:37] Yeah, so just a point of clarification because it came up as part of the discussion and
[1:25:44] we were talking about it in the hallway.
[1:25:47] I consider this a two story house based on the testimony, it's a pull down attic with
[1:25:51] the maximum five feet of the hike in the attic.
[1:25:56] So to me, that contributes zero in terms of a story on the attic level.
[1:26:03] Usually the half-story calculation is based upon ceiling kind of seven feet, how many square feet is that, and what's the percentage of that relative to the floor below it?
[1:26:12] So in this case, that's zero. So that's why I have two story on there. I think it's a two story house, not a two and a half story house.
[1:26:20] There's no half story.
[1:26:23] No, no, that's what we also said, but just as a point of clarification on the story, that's all.
[1:26:29] Thank you.
[1:26:29] Sometimes a perception.
[1:26:30] Two story versus two and a half.
[1:26:34] Mr. Chairman, I'd like to conclude this evening and return on the next meeting if possible.
[1:26:42] Before we close for this evening, it's an informal request of the board to if they can just
[1:26:52] articulate their feelings.
[1:26:53] Do you want me to survey the members about how they're feeling about the application
[1:26:56] council?
[1:26:57] It's not unusual.
[1:27:00] We do it all the time.
[1:27:02] It's unusual.
[1:27:02] We do it all the time.
[1:27:06] Just a second.
[1:27:07] How do you feel?
[1:27:11] Generally, I think the boldness is much better.
[1:27:14] And I will say, too, also, that we have not heard of the testimony of the planner.
[1:27:20] So whatever comments are going to be said there, said without the benefit of hearing the testimony of the planner.
[1:27:28] You still want to proceed that way?
[1:27:29] I do. I'm just going to suggest.
[1:27:31] Yes, so I feel that the boldness moved too much for the lot.
[1:27:41] I
[1:27:47] think it's a really thoughtful design, I think it would be a very, you know, very good looking house, but I agree with Mr. Psychic.
[1:27:56] Probably with, you know, the way we have to view this benefits and detriment is I'm struggling with just with the size of the bulk.
[1:28:03] Keep
[1:28:08] a brief of the same concerns.
[1:28:13] Yeah, now I was waiting, he really anticipating the planning testimony, because I think it would be very helpful, because I was in the
[1:28:21] testimony setting, you know, with respect to this house relative to the neighboring moments.
[1:28:25] particularly a lot too, which is a very small lot, and I like this house with tower over.
[1:28:31] It's beautiful design, but my initial impressions are that it's just too much for this size lot.
[1:28:37] Mr. Haranger.
[1:28:40] I'm going to upgrade too much.
[1:28:44] Well, I'm sympathetic to corner lots when it comes to setbacks, because they suffer, because of it.
[1:28:52] I just think that the proposed bulkier is just overwhelmed.
[1:28:55] And
[1:28:58] again,
[1:29:02] I was similar to Hoppin, I was looking forward to the planning testimony, but as I'm looking at it now, I understand the desire to keep the porch on the left because that's where the outdoor living space basically is going to be.
[1:29:17] But along with Ms. Lakeley's observation, if the garage on the other side were less in the bulk because it would have the appearance of going down and the grading is such.
[1:29:28] So I think that there were things
[1:29:29] that could have been done to mitigate some of the bulk,
[1:29:33] including reducing the size itself, that we're not done.
[1:29:37] So I think it's just overwhelming property.
[1:29:40] But open to hearing, plain testimony, absolutely.
[1:29:45] Thank you very much, folks.
[1:29:47] So we'll ask the carrier without further notice
[1:29:49] to next place.
[1:29:50] Please.
[1:29:51] And may I ask what date that is?
[1:30:11] Thank you very much. Thank you. Be careful with the storm that's coming. And any revised plans? 10 days? No, it's a great
[1:30:24] storm, come, is it real?
[1:30:48] to break down?
[1:30:48] We'll restart.
[1:30:49] You're on for it.
[1:30:52] No, you can, I'm sure you can handle it from there.
[1:30:55] Just don't start from there.
[1:30:56] There
[1:31:00] are applications.
[1:31:01] I can tell.
[1:31:02] I can start when you second on the case.
[1:31:04] No, you don't take anything new.
[1:31:06] Hold on a second, hold on a second.
[1:31:09] Hold on a second.
[1:31:10] You don't take any new applications after 10.
[1:31:13] And what I'm starting this application, I mean, unless this application goes in under 50
[1:31:20] minutes, we're not going to get to the next application.
[1:31:22] Certainly highly doubtful that such a poor application is going to work.
[1:31:26] Is he okay?
[1:31:27] And I'm going to announce at the end that you make that very true.
[1:31:30] I'm going to slow.
[1:31:38] How about this?
[1:31:45] Yes.
[1:31:46] Kimmy, my little Timmy.
[1:31:50] He's with us?
[1:31:51] He's with us?
[1:31:51] I don't want to say Timmy.
[1:31:53] Yeah, that's it.
[1:31:54] I'm going to say Timmy.
[1:31:55] How about this?
[1:31:56] I'm going to say Timmy.
[1:31:56] I'm going to say Timmy.
[1:31:57] I'm going to say Timmy.
[1:31:58] I'm going to say Timmy.
[1:31:59] I'm going to say Timmy.
[1:32:00] I'm going to say Timmy.
[1:32:01] I think that our kids aren't like, you know, I don't know what we're saying about this, but they're not kidding.
[1:32:15] Do you want me to talk to you about this?
[1:32:19] Well, you can just leave it alone.
[1:32:26] Sorry
[1:32:38] about the delay, thank you.
[1:32:41] Really, you mean, thanks a lot for the chair.
[1:32:43] Thank you.
[1:32:44] We've all of my stuff.
[1:32:49] He
[1:32:57] had a backup, now I have to unpack.
[1:33:05] Oh, just to make sure we're on the road application here,
[1:33:07] we're dealing with application ZB26006,
[1:33:11] Jan Richard White, 179th Center Avenue, right?
[1:33:14] That's correct.
[1:33:15] So I see Mr. Clessy here, is this everyone
[1:33:17] who's going to be providing testimony?
[1:33:19] Should I just swear a little bit?
[1:33:21] Should I?
[1:33:21] Yes.
[1:33:22] Everyone, please raise your right hands.
[1:33:25] Can you swear or affirm the testimony
[1:33:26] I mean, give to this board is he'll hold true.
[1:33:29] Yes.
[1:33:30] You stay in there and show the record
[1:33:31] and this will be a classic given business act.
[1:33:34] Jennifer White, one step and nine,
[1:33:37] center avenue of the challenge.
[1:33:39] Richard White, and the center avenue of the challenge.
[1:33:42] Timothy Klesson, you may reach, I'm sure it will.
[1:33:46] And Mr. Klesson, you've been before the board
[1:33:48] quite a few times.
[1:33:51] Unless anyone on the board is in the objections
[1:33:53] or needs to hear, we should qualify,
[1:33:55] Okay, tell us a little bit about it.
[1:33:58] I'm a licensed architect in New York, New Jersey.
[1:34:02] I've been licensed for 30 years.
[1:34:04] I went to New Jersey Institute of Technology.
[1:34:08] I've appeared in front of this board.
[1:34:10] I don't know.
[1:34:11] 30 times maybe.
[1:34:13] And numerous other boards.
[1:34:18] Almost nation-wide.
[1:34:20] I don't know a lot about that.
[1:34:22] Everybody's retired.
[1:34:23] Seven of them.
[1:34:24] But, um, so we've got to maybe up here with a lot of historic conditions for
[1:34:33] any objections
[1:34:34] from my mom for you know?
[1:34:38] So, um, I'll turn it over to the applicant.
[1:34:41] You can start a letter you'd like.
[1:34:43] I mean, normally it's helpful for the board to hear a little bit about the property while you're here
[1:34:48] or what applications you're seeking and what's going on with the house, a little bit of background.
[1:34:53] It's usually helpful.
[1:34:54] Oh, certainly a good evening everyone.
[1:34:58] Let me just briefly.
[1:35:00] I would say that Richard and I bought this home 20 years ago. When we bought this home, we purchased it from a gentleman who was selling it for his elderly mother. His mother was in her 90s at the time. He had been raised in the home. And she continued to live there when he went off and got married and had a family of his own. And now he was selling it to help her. And his one request was that we live in the home and we raise our family in the home.
[1:35:29] And we have done that. Our daughter was three at the time. She is now 23 and is going to stay close by.
[1:35:40] She's already gone to college and she's back and working in New York City, but she lives at the Ivy.
[1:35:46] That was three. And while we've looked at other properties and things just for the sake of finding out what is available
[1:35:57] across in the community. But we really would like to stay where we are. And it makes
[1:36:03] them modifications to our current properties so that we can stay here hopefully be close
[1:36:08] to her and remain in this community that has been put there.
[1:36:12] So
[1:36:17] they hired me. I guess. I'm going to fill in the blank.
[1:36:21] What is it you're looking to do?
[1:36:23] Okay so what I don't know if you had a chance to go by the house but it's you know 179th
[1:36:28] center. It's block 69 on 34. It's in the R2 zone. It's a split level that I guess was built in the late 50s, you know, when all these splits kind of went in. And it's under construction because what we did is we designed that I don't know if you saw it, but I guess I'm going to go to my exhibit first. And then work backwards tonight. I think the mark this exhibit I guess is a one.
[1:37:01] What
[1:37:04] is it?
[1:37:08] It's photos that I took off the site yesterday.
[1:37:13] And I did that to kind of just give you a sense of what's going on over there.
[1:37:18] What we did is we designed this house and we're trying to add space onto the first floor.
[1:37:24] And part of that reason is because, well, I guess all of us are getting older for me too.
[1:37:31] And they've decided that they want to stay in this house.
[1:37:34] And so we try, we try to make this house go for the long term.
[1:37:38] So instead of just doing the work in the house when the kids were little,
[1:37:43] like, would be normal, I guess I'll say, in this case, we want to do the work now
[1:37:49] because they've decided they're going to stay.
[1:37:52] So we did a family room addition onto the back.
[1:37:56] We're doing a new kitchen and the idea is just to get a bigger kitchen and take
[1:38:02] at the existing dining room, move it into where the living room is presently, and then
[1:38:09] get a family room on the back and build a screen porch.
[1:38:16] And you know, this is Demony in the center where we're right back up to where we always
[1:38:22] called the fresher.
[1:38:23] I don't know, you know, or the swamp, you could call it Demony.
[1:38:27] And the mosquitoes are horrible down there.
[1:38:30] So the idea was to build the screen porch so they could sit outside in the screen porch.
[1:38:36] Then what we found out is that we were actually over on building coverage.
[1:38:40] So what we did, so we could get things moving, is we said, okay, we're going to turn the screen
[1:38:46] porch into a deck, apply for a variance, and apply for a building permit.
[1:38:52] So we got the building permit with the screen porch modified to a deck.
[1:38:57] And now, the deck would be lot coverage, but not building coverage, but once I put a roof on the deck, it becomes building coverage.
[1:39:08] So we took the roof off of the screen porch, applied for a building permit, and got the building permit.
[1:39:15] They're under construction. This photo is really yesterday in my A.
[1:39:20] a picture is the rear of the house, and you can see our family room addition and enlarging
[1:39:27] of the bathroom for the next to bed, for the primary bed.
[1:39:32] So to make sure I understand this, so you're under construction and currently what's going
[1:39:38] on is there's a deck being built, and you basically want to put a roof on it, and so.
[1:39:41] That's what we'd like to do, is put a roof on the deck.
[1:39:44] And so that's what you were doing originally, and then you did someone turn a bed.
[1:39:49] Did you need a variance?
[1:39:50] Well, we found out relatively early on
[1:39:53] that we were going to be over an outing coverage.
[1:39:55] Like, it wasn't a surprise, but okay.
[1:39:58] But we, um...
[1:40:00] We sort of, in lieu of making the family room smaller, we thought we should make the family room a reasonable size for them and seek a variance to put a roof over the deck.
[1:40:14] I mean, according to the calculation, I mean, you can go through calculations if you want to look at the variance or the request thing is about 200 feet over.
[1:40:22] It's 200 to 5 feet, and that is exactly the size of the deck.
[1:40:29] We also have to do in a front quarter card here, but the front quarter card was exempt because it's less than 30 square feet.
[1:40:36] Something else happened at this site, also to some note, there's a shed in the back, and the shed is being counted in two more.
[1:40:46] And even the screen porch counts into F-A-R. And with all of this work going on, we're
[1:40:57] still under by 896 square feet of F-A-R. This site is not,
[1:41:14] and I'm only saying that
[1:41:14] you want to put a roof over the deck because the mosquitoes are kind of a nightmare down there.
[1:41:20] So you can see my photo in which is the building under construction. My photo beaded. I just
[1:41:26] want you to get a look at the rear yard. This rear yard backs up to kind of where I guess
[1:41:32] the Christmas trees are where you dump the Christmas trees. That's what we're back enough to
[1:41:37] back behind, don't have a new school. I don't know, did that the trees go? Okay. And then?
[1:41:43] No, these have the multiviral, multiviral. The multiviral, multiviral. Yeah.
[1:41:49] Then, if I look at my photo, see, I only took this picture because this is a photo of the house to
[1:41:56] the right. And this addition on the house to the right is approximately 4 feet further into the rear
[1:42:04] your then our screen porch would dinner screen porches that's their deck is
[1:42:12] another you know 11 feet beyond that so I'm saying that our our porch if it
[1:42:21] was to be approved would be a prox is approximately there 4 feet in from where
[1:42:28] this building is and I'm only saying that because I'm saying that we're not
[1:42:32] really going deeper into the rear. We're going actually less into the rear yard
[1:42:38] than our neighbor. Yeah, to be clear, we don't have any issues with the rear yard set.
[1:42:43] We have no issue at all. It looks like you've got plenty of room. We have a lot of room, yeah.
[1:42:47] And then that's the existing front because we're doing a lot of other stuff to the house. We're
[1:42:51] residing, we're hitting a portico, we're updating the windows. I mean, we're not blowing the house
[1:42:57] up we're leaving the height of the house the way it is but we're just fixing it
[1:43:02] up because they've decided that the size of the house is actually perfect for them.
[1:43:10] And then this last picture like E is from the street and that is looking down
[1:43:17] the neighbors driveway to the left and that's the best shot I had to show you
[1:43:22] sort of what you could see from the street because you can see the deck there
[1:43:29] that are 10 foot projection of the deck that we're asking to cover. This is the
[1:43:35] only place where I could actually see our screen porch a dish or a deck or a
[1:43:42] screen porch addition from the road. Is that from Harvard Street?
[1:43:48] Now this is the
[1:43:48] The neighbour is driveway, the neighbour directly to the left.
[1:43:54] So with all that in mind, we're just going to run you through again.
[1:43:58] Yeah, so we have this, and I have a question, can we pass this to the board?
[1:44:04] I'm sorry.
[1:44:06] I have a question about this variance thing.
[1:44:12] I totally understand the muscular part of it's, I'm actually very disappointed.
[1:44:18] on it by the Christmas tree because I thought they were going back to Northport to make
[1:44:21] toys.
[1:44:22] All right.
[1:44:25] But for about the violence, it's kind of a core to ask for a variance when the Java has
[1:44:33] already started.
[1:44:34] I totally understand the need because of the mosquitoes.
[1:44:41] I mean, this is from the area.
[1:44:42] It's not really nice.
[1:44:44] What are the consequences if you sell the house and not this house as a valiance?
[1:44:50] Does he mean that somebody can just transform this deck into a virtual house?
[1:45:02] No, I, you're saying maybe, maybe the solution. Yeah, I guess maybe that's why if the violence is approved. Okay. It's a variance. Our understanding is the violence to put to cover that deck so that deck is usable because of the mosquitoes. So you can actually put a screen and then that's all good. But if you sell the house, you know, something happened, you sell the house to more. The next one.
[1:45:32] on, can with this variance just say, hey,
[1:45:36] can just close and make this part of the house
[1:45:39] and forget about the deck.
[1:45:46] Isn't it essentially the same thing?
[1:45:49] Whether this is a screened in portrait or in closed room
[1:45:53] with windows, is it what we're proofing?
[1:45:55] Isn't it all the same thing?
[1:45:56] Well, it's not he, isn't cool.
[1:45:58] It's not he, isn't cool.
[1:45:59] It is different, it's a deck.
[1:46:00] So maybe the solution would be part of the memorialization, it has to remain as a screen porch.
[1:46:09] And it counts only 50% correct?
[1:46:13] No, Bob actually counted it 100% for FA.
[1:46:17] That's right. That's right.
[1:46:18] He did. It's already counted.
[1:46:20] It is actually counted in FAO, and that's why I'm saying maybe it's better as part of the memorialization to control it.
[1:46:28] And they are significantly under on FAR, so it's already, it's counted as a hundred percent.
[1:46:37] So my point earlier was that the building coverage in FAR, whether it's a screened and
[1:46:42] porch or a room, it's all building, but if the board prefers to remore a lot as a condition
[1:46:52] that, you know, this is what we're approving is a screened and porch and if they decide to
[1:46:56] close up with windows and heating and cool would have been, would they have to come back
[1:47:01] for other variants or...
[1:47:02] I don't really, I just think that if you throw it, it's thinking that way up there.
[1:47:09] It's already included in FAR.
[1:47:11] It's already in FAR.
[1:47:12] The only way to control it, I think, would be part of the memorialization.
[1:47:18] Yeah.
[1:47:20] We have to discuss and think about that because I'm not sure whether it's worth it.
[1:47:27] No, I don't think I'm not saying this to impose something, I don't want to be, I mean,
[1:47:33] I totally, I totally believe, you're story and what you need, and that's fine, I just
[1:47:40] don't want to put ourselves in a position where somebody may take advantage of it in the
[1:47:45] future when, in the beginning, which is the genomics,
[1:47:53] I just want to make sure that if we make
[1:47:54] decision on this that we make a way decision and not an open door for something that we
[1:48:02] will see.
[1:48:04] It's already in a few hours, so it's going to be good.
[1:48:08] It's in a few hours also, it's building coverage, yeah.
[1:48:12] All right,
[1:48:16] so I'm just going to go on, I guess.
[1:48:19] So, the screen porch, the request is 205 square feet, the
[1:48:29] lock coverage itself would
[1:48:31] stay the same because the deck itself is already in lock coverage.
[1:48:36] The lock coverage is actually pretty much at its max right now, I think it's just a
[1:48:43] little bit under, but this site has a driveway and it's 1,335 square feet because the
[1:48:50] the driver comes down and wraps all the way around.
[1:48:53] And that's what's pushing the lot coverage to where it is.
[1:48:56] The FAR is actually, even with the screen porch,
[1:49:02] and with the shed is under by 896 square feet.
[1:49:07] And a actual additional lot coverage
[1:49:10] that we're requesting, or not requesting,
[1:49:14] but with the addition and in the screen board or additional lot coverage on this project is
[1:49:23] only 264 square feet because you're removed a very large patio that was in the backyard as part
[1:49:30] of the work. So we really are not sort of saturating the site. Other things really conformists.
[1:49:38] you know, our front yard coverage is way under. It's about half of what it could be. There's
[1:49:43] no request to make the driveway wider or do any of that kind of thing. Our building height is
[1:49:49] allowable to be 35 feet. The building height on this building is 23 feet, which means that there's
[1:49:58] So, 12 feet of...
[1:50:00] Is there a available height that they're not requesting tonight? And then just the only other thing is that the House immediately to the right, like if I'm looking at my site plan, this House, is the building itself is actually 4 feet deeper than our building if the screen porch wasn't placed. I think the size of the addition is kind of in scale to the neighborhood. If you'd like me to I can run you through the
[1:50:29] the answer to the plans or I can stop?
[1:50:34] I don't want to go on forever.
[1:50:36] I know you're getting laid on you.
[1:50:39] Is there any questions or comments?
[1:50:42] Yeah, I have a question.
[1:50:44] So if you can close the deck or not, could you at some point
[1:50:51] build upon the deck or go on, you know, or ex-givvy
[1:50:56] underneath the deck to expand structure?
[1:50:58] Is it?
[1:50:58] Is grant in this very it's going to allow that for the development to occur without, you know, another application like create a basement
[1:51:07] basement or a secondary structure
[1:51:10] on, you know, the second second level on top of the
[1:51:14] Ed is second floor
[1:51:18] I'm just looking to see what else
[1:51:19] You probably would at that point add a second floor over this entire
[1:51:24] here, wing of the house, because otherwise you couldn't get to away, you know what I mean?
[1:51:30] Yeah, my concern is not necessarily this applicant, but the property itself for future
[1:51:36] use.
[1:51:37] You know, if the applicant decides to sell next week, you know, with this granting, what
[1:51:43] can be done with the variance?
[1:51:44] Well, you could, this site could take another 864 square feet of FAR.
[1:51:54] That would be second floor space.
[1:51:56] What's the square?
[1:51:58] The first floor.
[1:52:02] Which could be done?
[1:52:03] What could you do this?
[1:52:04] It doesn't go that way.
[1:52:05] The existing, the existing first floor is 1,625.
[1:52:09] I just attacked the closed floor.
[1:52:12] Oh, the 205 square feet.
[1:52:14] But you couldn't just add the second floor there because you couldn't physically get to it.
[1:52:23] You would have to add a second floor over the living area you're in.
[1:52:29] I mean, is your question more along the line that the footing is there a foundation that's
[1:52:34] under the deck or is it just pilings?
[1:52:37] It's just pierced like it would have to be resupported and you would have to, you'd really have
[1:52:43] to tear the deck down if you were going to build it into some, I don't even think you
[1:52:48] We could build a room with an open bottom right.
[1:52:50] So if this variance were granted,
[1:52:52] we're granting a building coverage variance only.
[1:52:55] But in reality, I guess they could tear it down,
[1:52:58] and excavate the footprint.
[1:53:00] It's a little awkward.
[1:53:01] Because once they tear it down, they would lose the.
[1:53:04] This till a thousand square feet.
[1:53:06] That's right.
[1:53:07] Nine hundred square feet on the Florida Ray Ratio.
[1:53:10] So there's plenty of.
[1:53:12] There's a lot of room.
[1:53:14] Yeah.
[1:53:14] You know, if you were going to, if somebody was going to do something on this site, they
[1:53:21] would probably build
[1:53:25] over the left side, you know, they'd still be, you know, way under
[1:53:34] the building height.
[1:53:35] It wouldn't actually even look awkward.
[1:53:38] Well, awkward. I'd probably be at about
[1:53:42] 2728 feet off
[1:53:45] And you know
[1:53:51] Yeah,
[1:53:58] like it wouldn't really I don't think you go I don't think there's anybody's in the go over an open porch because it's
[1:54:04] structurally not really secure
[1:54:06] You know, it's really built as a one-story
[1:54:09] open for charity. Like it's not peers, it's open.
[1:54:15] What it makes sense is to just quickly walk through the first floor.
[1:54:21] We are being asked to approve a variance of 200 people.
[1:54:25] What's going on in the first floor and whether it's there anyway?
[1:54:28] If you can describe what's going on so you can determine what's going on.
[1:54:34] I just flipped past the basement and I'm going to the first floor.
[1:54:38] Some of them might be able to reach you.
[1:54:44] You come in and
[1:54:48] they almost be easier to do it up here.
[1:54:50] Can you guys come in the front door?
[1:54:53] The existing living room is being converted into a dining room.
[1:54:58] We really got rid of the living room.
[1:55:02] We turned that into a dining room, and then the existing kitchen was in this area. The existing dining room was here, right? That old layout right away. Living room, kitchen, dining room.
[1:55:18] A little way the existing dining room had just made it into a kitchen, and then we opened
[1:55:23] up to our family really in the back, and we put a fireplace in, that fireplace is now
[1:55:28] under construction, and then we come through a door to this deck that's 10 by 20, and that
[1:55:37] deck is what we're asking to put a roof over it tonight, and put screens on it, to turn
[1:55:44] it into a screen porch.
[1:55:46] Additionally to that, that's really where all of our work is occurring.
[1:55:51] So now since this is a split, if I come back to the split, I walk up ahead of the flight,
[1:55:57] I have two bedrooms sharing a whole bed, and then the primary bedroom,
[1:56:04] and we've expanded that bed for about 4 by 10 feet, maybe 40 square feet,
[1:56:12] and just read into that and try to make it all the way around.
[1:56:18] Then, that's simple work on this floor.
[1:56:26] So that's really it.
[1:56:29] There's an existing drawing in here, which is like the mesh sheet.
[1:56:35] You
[1:56:39] know, maybe we don't have it.
[1:56:45] It's going to be a way to set it up.
[1:56:47] And you can see what I was saying here.
[1:56:49] the walking front door, the visiting living room,
[1:56:55] kind of a small kitchen, a small dining room,
[1:56:59] which we've actually moved,
[1:57:01] and just made all the kitchen.
[1:57:03] And we removed this large patio,
[1:57:05] and built our canning room back here,
[1:57:08] which is real,
[1:57:09] with this theme for the dining.
[1:57:12] On all of that, the way we go out
[1:57:15] this less than the old patio was,
[1:57:18] It's a, we're a little shorter than any of those there.
[1:57:25] And then, really, and then you can also see the bathroom
[1:57:30] from the primary, which is really a 30-inch thing,
[1:57:35] a toilet tub, and we've just pushed it out
[1:57:39] just so that we could get to the sinks,
[1:57:41] and we got a shower and a club and, you know, that.
[1:57:47] So your initial plans had looked decked and as a result there was no variances, so you
[1:57:53] got your building permit and then as you were starting, as you were taking through the
[1:57:59] project to get those and everything else going on, the decision was, hey, this would be more
[1:58:06] useful to us as a screening course.
[1:58:08] Revealing kind of.
[1:58:09] And as a result of that, that's driving the variance and why you said in front of us today.
[1:58:14] I'm
[1:58:20] sorry.
[1:58:20] I'm sorry.
[1:58:21] I'm sorry.
[1:58:22] And then just so this is like when you think of a traditional deck it's like or
[1:58:32] like in
[1:58:32] other words the floor underneath is open like if you spill water on it it's just go right
[1:58:36] after the ground.
[1:58:37] So it's not like a concrete or like no it's open.
[1:58:40] Yeah.
[1:58:41] It's really a deck.
[1:58:42] That's right.
[1:58:42] I mean it's not really in close of like in close of was a year year round building.
[1:58:51] You'd have to add foundation.
[1:58:55] It's almost like you have to tear it down.
[1:58:57] Once you tear it down, you wouldn't be grandfathered to do it.
[1:59:03] I guess somebody would have said, I don't know how you can do that, right?
[1:59:06] Is that right?
[1:59:07] If we grant the variance, then some of it would tear it down the deck.
[1:59:11] Or the foundation.
[1:59:13] Is that true?
[1:59:14] Yeah, I think it would probably not tear it down.
[1:59:22] How do you, how do you move the effect?
[1:59:25] It's almost like a nightmare, like it's kind of impossible.
[1:59:29] I guess anything is possible, but it's
[1:59:31] a little bit awkward.
[1:59:36] And the deck is less than 8 foot high. Put me? The deck is less than
[1:59:40] 8 foot high. Yes, it's 4 and a half feet.
[1:59:46] Any other questions for Mr. Classy? Now that he's gone through the floor
[1:59:51] please.
[2:00:00] Yes, so we had some comments in our Basel letter July 20, 19, 20, 26, up vertically. Put together, do you take any objection to complain with the items in our letter? No, all right. On the items dealt with the letter from the King of iron, environmental, the King of iron and some more than our offsite property wanted to keep it away. So we're just looking to have that letter up here.
[2:00:29] and then confirm a net improvement condition upon documentation
[2:00:34] from whether NJDP as well as the permits for work
[2:00:37] and that's what required.
[2:00:39] As well as some of the other items which are
[2:00:43] technical comments, minor and major.
[2:00:48] Thank you.
[2:00:50] There's no other questions from the Board.
[2:00:53] Any members of the public who have any questions
[2:00:56] for the architect?
[2:01:06] Do you have anything else to present
[2:01:08] or is that pretty much it?
[2:01:09] No, I'm done.
[2:01:12] Yes, I'm going to go.
[2:01:18] Turning the application over for the board consideration
[2:01:20] at this point?
[2:01:21] Yes, OK.
[2:01:22] So I guess there are any members of the public.
[2:01:25] I'll actually put it first.
[2:01:27] Any members of the public have any comments
[2:01:28] on the application?
[2:01:30] I'm assuming not, OK.
[2:01:32] So turn it over to the board.
[2:01:34] We'll start over here in the last part.
[2:01:37] Yeah, I think it won't have any impact on anybody
[2:01:42] because it's in the back. I think it's in the city and I'm going to have to support the application.
[2:01:51] Yep, but I'm going to put the same reasons and support the application.
[2:01:57] The lower the level up there is the spikes. I think it's somewhat the minute it's getting it.
[2:02:04] This doesn't have a lot, but the side of the dry way.
[2:02:12] I have no additional commons and support the application.
[2:02:15] Yeah, I mean, and I think it's a fairly reasonable ask.
[2:02:20] at the 205 feet in the spare room in this, I think the main
[2:02:23] mitigate started the location of the house with the woods
[2:02:27] in the inverse recycling area, whatever's back there, but it's
[2:02:31] not in, you know, there's no detriment to any neighboring properties
[2:02:33] and it's a fairly reasonable ask, so I'm okay with it.
[2:02:39] So with that, I don't think there are any
[2:02:43] conditions we have to reiterate.
[2:02:50] That was it.
[2:02:56] So I'll entertain a motion to approve the application.
[2:02:59] I'll make the motion for the second.
[2:03:02] Second.
[2:03:09] Mr. Herriger called the roll.
[2:03:13] Mr. Hoffman.
[2:03:16] Yes.
[2:03:17] Mr. Herriger's yes.
[2:03:19] Mr. Pabit's a success.
[2:03:24] Yes.
[2:03:24] Yes, Mr. Thana.
[2:03:26] Yes.
[2:03:33] Congratulations.
[2:03:33] Thank you.
[2:03:34] I wanted you to say a proof.
[2:03:38] Okay,
[2:03:56] so the
[2:04:03] next step is applications in the 26-012,
[2:04:09] GMMID, Sean Montgomery, to discuss exactly where you're going.
[2:04:13] President, ready?
[2:04:41] Which one?
[2:04:44] What's that one?
[2:04:46] Two suspects at the end.
[2:05:05] Just everyone who's come to provide testimony here.
[2:05:12] One cell or everyone to provide testimony
[2:05:15] if you want to stand, raise your right hand and the board attorney's where you in.
[2:05:19] Let's come forward to the microphones.
[2:05:22] General, you've got a second raise.
[2:05:25] Could you come closer to the mic?
[2:05:27] Yeah.
[2:05:28] Oh, yeah.
[2:05:29] Sorry.
[2:05:31] All right.
[2:05:32] Do you swear or throw the testimony you'll give to this board?
[2:05:36] It's a whole truth.
[2:05:37] What do you do?
[2:05:38] Please state your name.
[2:05:40] My name is Sean Martian.
[2:05:41] I'm the architect for this applicant.
[2:05:47] Tonya Marion, a third planner.
[2:05:50] I'm
[2:05:54] a summary resident.
[2:05:56] I
[2:05:59] think I'm very glad you had two Sussex.
[2:06:01] Great.
[2:06:02] Everyone.
[2:06:04] Maybe start with the applicant, as we did before,
[2:06:08] just explaining a little bit about, you know,
[2:06:11] what challenges you're facing with the home,
[2:06:13] what you're looking to do, what challenges you're looking to create,
[2:06:16] so on.
[2:06:20] Yeah.
[2:06:20] First of all, thank you to the board for hearing our story here.
[2:06:25] Residents of two Sussex since 2021.
[2:06:28] one since that day we've had the opportunity to welcome three wonderful little boys into
[2:06:35] our life. The house at the time which was one to three bedrooms was suitable, however
[2:06:44] with such a growing family and three lot of boys we are finding ourselves in need of more
[2:06:49] bedroom space. And so with an existing structure that exists on the first floor we felt
[2:06:57] That's a great opportunity for us to expand above without taking advantage of any more
[2:07:01] of the property space, the art, et cetera, until we find ourselves here today, asking
[2:07:10] to
[2:07:10] you a great if you could maybe start with making the variances that are being requested
[2:07:15] in mind.
[2:07:16] Yeah.
[2:07:17] So my name is Sean Martian, I'm the architect.
[2:07:22] We're asking for poor variances here on this site.
[2:07:25] The site is a corner law, is an undersized law.
[2:07:28] We're asking for two side variances, one of them is on SX road, which is technically
[2:07:35] another front yard, and the other one is the back of the house on from SX road.
[2:07:43] The other two variances is for the floor area, the maximum floor area, and for the FAR,
[2:07:48] Although we're only asking for like 1.3% increase, which is also, as you
[2:08:02] know, within
[2:08:05] the
[2:08:12] numbers out, so we've got one, two, we have five, so, I mean, we have a couple of
[2:08:19] options.
[2:08:19] I mean, the one is to proceed and present the application and see where we have, before
[2:08:27] or we get the application given the hour if we're wrapped up and the vibes are positive.
[2:08:35] We can go to a vote if you're confident that you're going to get all five votes.
[2:08:39] If not, we can carry it and have the members who are absent review the tapes and sign an
[2:08:45] affidavit saying that they're all called up on the application and they're eligible to vote
[2:08:49] and we just take the vote next time.
[2:08:53] If you're not comfortable with any of that, you can carry that out and you can present the
[2:08:57] entire application next time.
[2:08:59] I thought I missed any option to take.
[2:09:01] Okay, and it's totally up to you.
[2:09:04] What you're comfortable doing,
[2:09:05] that we would like to present to please.
[2:09:07] Okay.
[2:09:07] I make a wish to take something.
[2:09:09] And I get it when you have your professionals here,
[2:09:11] totally understanding that it's up to you and something.
[2:09:15] Yeah, so this is a very straightforward, simple project.
[2:09:19] We're not asking for any,
[2:09:21] we're building only on top of the existing condition,
[2:09:24] we're not building on top of the entire first floor,
[2:09:26] only one portion the entire addition is about 300 square feet it's just one
[2:09:32] master bedroom that we're adding I
[2:09:43] try to be as clear as possible with my
[2:09:45] drawings we show everything existing in gray the dash line that you see is
[2:09:49] just how we calculated the FAR so I usually have existing and proposed layout this
[2:09:54] is the existing basement we're not proposing anything so there is no
[2:09:58] properly up for the base.
[2:10:11] Existing and proposed first floor. As you can see right now on the first floor we have a living room and office. And just from looking at the fireplace, you can see it's offside. The office was added probably at some time previously in the past, but you can see how it doesn't fit in this space. Beside removing the office and bringing back the living room to its original condition, we're not making any changes.
[2:10:40] on this floor either. So, on the first, on the first, will they do change? No, to the outside?
[2:10:47] No.
[2:10:57] The second floor, you can see in black what we're changing. So, we had three bedrooms and two
[2:11:04] bathrooms before. We're using, we're utilizing the larger bedroom. We split into a bedroom and an
[2:11:11] office and then we're adding the addition here, that's the master. You'll see that we didn't go
[2:11:19] So above the dining room here, we kept the, we've been to variances before in this town
[2:11:25] and we understand every square feet matters in terms of AR.
[2:11:30] So we try to minimize it as much as possible and just be proactive and go for a modest
[2:11:36] ask in here.
[2:11:38] In
[2:11:51] terms of exterior design, the front and the front is not changing at all.
[2:12:01] The side is where we add in that second floor above this area.
[2:12:06] And you can see we kept one floor where the dining room is.
[2:12:11] And that's the second street yard which is facing the street elevation.
[2:12:19] is the one facing the street, and that one facing the street not changing, we're not changing
[2:12:24] the height. I think the aesthetic is still really good. We can erase the chimney to match
[2:12:31] the addition, and that's all we're asking for tonight.
[2:12:37] I conclude my testimony.
[2:12:40] I mean, so to summarize, basically, everything driving this variance request is upstairs.
[2:12:48] second floor pushing out all over the first floor, but
[2:12:58] that's essentially all of it.
[2:13:01] So you could be going from three bedrooms to four bedrooms, and in
[2:13:11] terms of
[2:13:15] master bedroom
[2:13:16] that's being added.
[2:13:17] I mean, there's a bathroom that looks like there's a closet there.
[2:13:23] You could talk a little bit about my question really, would you describe what's being added
[2:13:30] as oversized or is it, you know, in terms of the dimensions, is it pretty standard in terms of open rooms look like nowadays or is it?
[2:13:40] So if you notice that we're not even having a walk-in closet, which we see in a lot of like...
[2:13:45] So that X-back there is not a closet?
[2:13:46] No, no, that's the shower.
[2:13:50] Yeah, and where the shower and the bed area will probably expect a lower headroom over there because the roof is sloping down.
[2:13:56] So that's a lower headroom. It's still about seven feet if I'm not mistaken, but that's where the roof goes up.
[2:14:05] So that also eats in into the value of the addition.
[2:14:10] And we're not asking for a live-ish master bedroom or a huge walk-in closet.
[2:14:17] They actually can have only typical closets.
[2:14:19] And I've designed a lot of other houses where they have a much bigger master bedroom, almost
[2:14:25] the double the size of this.
[2:14:28] This is about only 300 square feet and it has a unique shape we want and the other option
[2:14:35] is to push it back, but then it would affect that exterior in a very bad way.
[2:14:41] It wouldn't match because we have that like, you know, chaffered corner and we want to
[2:14:47] keep it the same way going up we thought it's a modest addition we didn't
[2:14:54] go like we could have gone above this area and asked for a larger walking
[2:14:59] in the clause.
[2:15:06] Yes, I actually have a question about this. I do understand the need, and this is a question for you guys. Normally, I'm not supposed to ask this type of question, but I find it pretty reasonable what you're asking, but do you short yourself, because you were afraid that you're not going to get it?
[2:15:28] Do you short yourself on what you're asking?
[2:15:35] I don't think it would look on the side of the house, it would just be a flat, like long house, and I don't think it would aesthetically one look nice on the corner and two it wouldn't match what the other houses are.
[2:15:47] So to have some, I don't know if it would be aggressive or lineage in the house, it would look better.
[2:15:54] So you're like the way we're on the outside, but the reason I'm asking is because I do find your closet pretty small.
[2:16:03] And is it something that's going to serve you?
[2:16:05] The thing that I don't, personally, I don't think it's right is that if you're afraid that you to ask for something because you're afraid you're not going to get it,
[2:16:14] But you show to yourself and that thing is not really going to work for you because because it's too short to small.
[2:16:21] And I personally think that what it's right is right and if you need it, you need it.
[2:16:27] Which is different that if you want something because I mean, you should answer what I mean.
[2:16:32] And I just want to make sure that you're going to make a decision tonight that is the right decision for the right ass and this house going to work properly.
[2:16:41] So what
[2:16:47] we have now, stored wise, it'll actually be better because it slopes down in our
[2:16:51] closet so I'll actually be able to get boxes on the top, but I don't need a big walk
[2:16:58] in closet.
[2:16:59] Okay.
[2:17:00] I mean, love it, but I don't need the extra space to just add.
[2:17:05] The walkway as you walk back towards the bedroom is literally our closet today and it suits
[2:17:10] us perfectly fine.
[2:17:11] It's taking advantage of some of the closet space in my sun's room too, so technically
[2:17:16] speaking it's more storage space than we would even have right now. So I'm going to say that you need
[2:17:21] the use closet but I see closets in size of a bedroom. Yeah, no, no. Okay. Thank you.
[2:17:33] Keeps our spending under control on closets. No,
[2:17:42] no, no, please. Yeah, so looks like you're carrying
[2:17:45] that. Why chimney all the way up? Yes. Is there a particular reason why you're doing that?
[2:17:52] I would give it a thought stepping it, making it more narrow because chimney. Yeah, it could
[2:17:58] be. Yeah, so and it's high. So we have either an option to get either higher. Yeah, it's either going to
[2:18:05] get higher with the same width or we can reduce it. That's an option we can definitely entertain.
[2:18:11] I think it's like
[2:18:15] the effect of the neighbourhood.
[2:18:19] I agree.
[2:18:20] Do you have a little bit of what the dimension will do?
[2:18:25] Of the bedroom?
[2:18:26] Of the chimney.
[2:18:28] Of the chimney?
[2:18:30] I don't have it, but I can estimate it's about four feet wide by like two feet.
[2:18:41] Would you try to keep it the way it is right now on the plans?
[2:18:46] But I don't think that would affect the variance if we reduce it to two by two feet. We can do that too
[2:18:55] Yeah, I think they make it as wide as the fireplace at the bottom and that's that's how it's they start
[2:19:00] Started wide, so we kept it with the same way
[2:19:07] Five feet maybe
[2:19:23] On sheet one, the two.
[2:19:26] Did you, on the proposed second floor plan, did you chime in this appeal?
[2:19:32] Did the chimney disappear?
[2:19:34] Oh, yeah, it's, yeah, maybe it's a layer that was tell of it, it should be there.
[2:19:42] It's shown on the elevations.
[2:19:51] I got a question on the, when you have to touch on the right, I'm looking at 82 hundred.
[2:19:56] So, the rate elevation here is...
[2:20:00] Working up pretty nicely with the windows. You have the chimney. You've got a little bit of a notch out there on the left elevation. It's wondering, you know, something we tend to just break up. There's two harsh sections of just straight, but it appears to be straight wall. I think this would be facing one of the neighboring properties. This is in from the corner. The right elevation. I'm looking at the left elevation.
[2:20:28] The left elevation here. It's facing the neighbors.
[2:20:31] So, question on the architectural level, if there is something that can be done to just make me break up that front wall, I'm not sure
[2:20:41] whether the visibility would be from the street, so it doesn't look like it's just a giant structure there.
[2:20:56] I mean, that the existing building was up to here only right now with the first floor, so we only add in this portion of it.
[2:21:06] I know it looks like one big giant wall, but it's not going to be visible from any point
[2:21:12] of view, except if they never decide to open their bathroom window and look at it.
[2:21:18] Did the planes involved touching this exterior at all?
[2:21:23] No, we're keeping the same style, the same stuff, so exciting.
[2:21:26] Yeah, we're just adding to it.
[2:21:28] We're not changing any of the architectural design aesthetics.
[2:21:32] Yeah,
[2:21:35] it might have been more of an opportunity if there was a whole cell, you know.
[2:21:40] And we also have a plan out to testify about, you know, plan fact on that ever heard.
[2:21:53] On your existing dining room, it looks like a, so on your existing first floor plan,
[2:22:03] the
[2:22:03] dining room is lined up with the same line as the living room, and on your picture of no
[2:22:09] side. He appeared that the dining room is acting recessed. Is there recessed or is it just an illusion?
[2:22:17] The dining room, so the... On the picture, it looks like the on the outside is recessed. The first
[2:22:25] on this place to plan on this picture between
[2:22:35] the main house and the dining room
[2:22:39] it looks like it's recessed it's flat so that's going to be one more one continuation
[2:22:48] it doesn't look it's not going to look like you know about the dining room we're
[2:22:52] building the first floor. No, the first floor, yeah. It's one wall. There's
[2:23:04] nothing happening on the first floor now. There's no building at the right.
[2:23:07] But at the right side, the floor and this floor align up on the same plan. There's no...
[2:23:14] It looks like it's back over here.
[2:23:22] It's just probably a line of different siding over something between the two.
[2:23:39] And you can see it on the survey also, just one line.
[2:23:42] Okay.
[2:23:46] But the end is going to look one whole house and note a house from an extension and an extension is being done on one.
[2:23:56] There are any other questions that are going to be architect?
[2:24:03] just referring to the early 20th of the 20th, 2026,
[2:24:06] the causal letter, the paragraph currently.
[2:24:11] Under, common number two was the number of nonconformative
[2:24:14] conditions.
[2:24:17] Under two E it just noted that
[2:24:21] variants required for left and through side yard 12 fingers
[2:24:24] required the nonconformative setback,
[2:24:27] which was approved by the variance at 7.6 feet, the survey, and then the additions may
[2:24:35] extend vertically. This one does discrepancy, which means prior sugar is set back to 7.6
[2:24:42] feet and current survey figure of 7.5, which they have noted in the overwhelming table if they
[2:24:47] need a variance of 7.5 feet.
[2:24:52] And then also after, again, they're extending vertically,
[2:24:57] Second floor addition, and the cancels are 25.9.
[2:25:00] The setback for third feet is required, ordinance is not provided for the second floor extensions
[2:25:06] about the form of setbacks. They did note that variance, which is one that clarified that for the record. And then the other item,
[2:25:13] number three, in the photographs, I get to indicate that a lot of screen for existing rooms in the generator was shown in the Essex front and
[2:25:24] The current plans do not show that, so we'll just provide testimony.
[2:25:29] There's a lot of going through the name, there's a lot of going through the road.
[2:25:34] The last is there when we bought the house, and we just, I don't leave it.
[2:25:38] So it's an agreement, all right, so we just note that on the plan.
[2:25:41] Okay.
[2:25:44] Thank you.
[2:25:48] Any final questions from the board for the architect?
[2:25:54] I think looking
[2:25:57] forward to the planning testimony given, you know,
[2:26:02] This neighborhood is a very tight one.
[2:26:04] We've got side yard setback issues here.
[2:26:07] And I think a lot of the reports
[2:26:10] consideration will hinge upon the planning testimony.
[2:26:13] And in my opinion, so if you have nothing else,
[2:26:17] then we'll move on.
[2:26:20] Yeah.
[2:26:21] I'm good.
[2:26:22] The plan or this here should be getting just fine.
[2:26:29] You put up the virtual presentation.
[2:27:19] And what was this?
[2:27:20] Is that OK?
[2:27:21] Yeah, you could take that down.
[2:27:22] Could
[2:27:31] you please give me your name against it?
[2:27:35] Yep, Tanya, Maryone.
[2:27:38] I-O-N-E.
[2:27:39] I-O-N-E.
[2:27:40] So I've actually appeared before those four, three times before.
[2:27:44] But my license are still current, A-I-C-P,
[2:27:47] and my professional planning license.
[2:27:50] Anyone have any issues or
[2:27:53] internal planning?
[2:27:55] Yeah.
[2:27:56] Well, chiefs pay for professional credentials.
[2:27:59] So you're qualified.
[2:28:00] You're good to go.
[2:28:01] Thank you.
[2:28:02] So, on the first and second slide, you'll see that the property is on the southwest
[2:28:08] corner, the intersection of Sussex and Essex in the R3 zone, you can pop down to the
[2:28:13] second slide.
[2:28:14] I
[2:28:18] think you just, if you just, I'd just be able to press the arrow.
[2:28:21] Yep, perfect.
[2:28:22] We're in the R3 zone, next slide.
[2:28:26] So the site is actually a quarter of a mile away from Washington Avenue Elementary School
[2:28:31] and a half mile away from the Chatham train station.
[2:28:35] Next slide.
[2:28:37] As you've already heard extensively,
[2:28:39] the applicant is proposing a 313 square foot addition
[2:28:43] to the second floor that will be
[2:28:44] on the top of the existing first floor structure
[2:28:47] where the family room is.
[2:28:49] The building is currently 3358 square feet
[2:28:53] three bedroom house.
[2:28:54] The addition creates a fourth bedroom
[2:28:56] and a total square footage of 3,671.
[2:28:59] So the proposal also will include interior renovations, slide five.
[2:29:06] On the ground floor, the existing office is being removed so that the living room can
[2:29:11] be expanded and on the second floor, the current largest bedroom will be reduced in
[2:29:17] size to allow for the relocation of the office.
[2:29:20] Bedroom two will also be reduced in size to create a communal storage room and the addition
[2:29:25] of a fourth bedroom, the master bedroom, slide six.
[2:29:32] So I want to address the issues that were listed in the report.
[2:29:34] Yes, there are four new ones that we have addressed already, but the planners report actually
[2:29:41] lists 11.
[2:29:42] I would say that reality is that there are nine, but I'll go through some of them.
[2:29:47] The four newly created ones are the four area ratio, again, to go from the 2,352 square
[2:29:54] feet to the 2,600 square feet where the maximum allowable is only 2,500 feet.
[2:30:00] And the FAR ratio from 34 to 38.6, and the maximum is 37.3. The signyard is broken down into
[2:30:11] replant or report into four different variances. Two are the existing non-conformities, right?
[2:30:17] So you've got the interior side yard and the exterior side yard on Essex. The exterior
[2:30:24] The rear side yard and our net six because it's a corner lot is actually required to be 30 feet.
[2:30:29] The front of the building is 15 so that's the most narrow portion and then the rear where we're proposing is 29.
[2:30:37] So the other side, of course, is the seven and a half feet.
[2:30:40] These are all existing so your plan is your port list to existing non-conformities and
[2:30:45] because we are creating a second floor vertical addition, even though they are exactly in line with it.
[2:30:51] Those are two new side yard variances that are created.
[2:30:59] So the existing other non-conformities, sorry.
[2:31:05] I didn't need to.
[2:31:08] No, no, you're good.
[2:31:11] The existing other non-conformities, the minimum lawn area.
[2:31:15] The site is 6,800 and 89 square feet.
[2:31:18] And this zone requires 7,500 square feet.
[2:31:22] The second is your minimum lock width.
[2:31:25] The site is 55, where 60 is normally required.
[2:31:28] The third is maximum allowable building coverage.
[2:31:33] 1,807 is where the existing building coverage
[2:31:36] is 1435 square feet.
[2:31:39] And the final two are related and specific
[2:31:41] to the garage location.
[2:31:43] So your garage is actually required
[2:31:44] to be on the secondary frontage, which would be Essex,
[2:31:48] and required to be three feet set back
[2:31:50] from the primary facade.
[2:31:51] And in this instance, if you can see the picture from the existing building, it is along
[2:31:57] Sussex and it is flush with the primary facade.
[2:32:01] I conducted an open report and confirmed that in 1988, the rear portion of this building
[2:32:08] was constructed under zoning board approval.
[2:32:11] So all of those kind of existing non-conformities are legal existing non-conformities because
[2:32:16] of the zoning board approval.
[2:32:19] and now we can go to that next slide.
[2:32:30] Third, thank you.
[2:32:32] The underside of the narrow lot is not unique as you can see.
[2:32:35] All of the lots along the side of the block are 52 feet wide
[2:32:39] and they're anywhere from 78 to 127 feet deep.
[2:32:43] The only lot on this block that's larger than the applicant
[2:32:46] is a lot sick where the lot of the rear is wider than the lot in the front.
[2:32:51] Next slide.
[2:32:52] Side yard, because we're building on top of the existing structure
[2:32:56] and the existing structure is non-conforming.
[2:32:59] That's why it requires to seek the variances.
[2:33:02] The block is curved, so the lot lines are more of diagonal
[2:33:05] than you'll see for the normal common grid.
[2:33:08] The building locations and the diagonal lot lines
[2:33:10] make it a little bit more difficult to determine
[2:33:12] the average side yard set back along this block.
[2:33:15] So in order to measure consistently,
[2:33:18] I measured from the southern side yard
[2:33:21] to each property to the distance of the adjacent structure.
[2:33:24] Right? Because essentially, the reason for the setback is to ensure there's enough light in air to the surrounding properties, not just the lot line.
[2:33:32] The applicant's site is set back over 17 feet from the adjacent property, ours is one of the larger setbacks on the block.
[2:33:40] You'll see between 6 and 8 suspects,
[2:33:50] and between 12 and 14, so that's the two over here.
[2:33:58] So the subject property is all the way on the right.
[2:34:01] Correct. All the way on the right.
[2:34:04] We were all looking at it the same way.
[2:34:06] Yeah. All the way on the right.
[2:34:09] Right. Between those two, this separation distance
[2:34:12] are actually five feet smaller than ours.
[2:34:15] So this is really just a shoulder board
[2:34:17] that the applicant's existing side yard setback
[2:34:19] is really consistent and actually larger
[2:34:22] than the predominant on the block.
[2:34:24] The next slide, the northern or the exterior side yard along Essex is required to be 30.
[2:34:30] You can see on the slide again that due to the diagonal line, that the setback varies,
[2:34:35] the smallest being closer to the front and getting larger to the back.
[2:34:39] The addition is 26 feet away from the line or 25.95.
[2:34:44] The addition is actually 30 feet away from the fence.
[2:34:47] Based on my review, that fence has been at that location for at least 12 years, based on
[2:34:52] My ability to use near-map and a couple of other aerial photography. I know that the fence is not within the property line, but it does kind of act
[2:35:00] As a visual property line. That fence is on the side. That fence is the long Essex. Is that? Yeah.
[2:35:12] Again, to reiterate, the addition is being added to an existing structure and the condition of that site and the surrounding show that the addition will cause no negative impact to the light and air or adjacent properties. And this is mainly consistent with the building or step backs surrounding it. Next slide. The big ones.
[2:35:30] floor area and floor area ratio. So we're proposing a floor area ratio of 38.6, we're 37.3,
[2:35:38] and a floor area again. I know we keep hearing these numbers, so I apologize. 2,665, we're
[2:35:45] 2,575 is allowed. Now the basement in this building is a height that's less than 7 feet, so we're
[2:35:52] not looking at habitable space. Your code excludes the floor area because it's not habitable.
[2:35:57] The basement is currently used, however, for laundry and utilities.
[2:36:01] The first floor has a living room that is 12 by 13, and in front of the living room that
[2:36:06] ground floor is currently used as an office, the 7 by 10 space, I circled it on the left.
[2:36:13] The proposal is to remove that office to the second floor so that the full use of the
[2:36:18] living room can be realized.
[2:36:20] Slide 11.
[2:36:22] The existing master bedroom is then rearranged so that the office can be added to the
[2:36:27] second floor. Bedroom 2 is shortened so that there's more shared storage space and the existing
[2:36:33] bedroom is laid out slightly awkward. You can see I'll highlight it out in red on the left.
[2:36:39] The closet is deep and narrow and the bathroom is also relatively small and tight. The existing
[2:36:44] total square footage dedicated to the master bedroom is 381. The new master bedroom will have a
[2:36:50] significantly better layout. That's in the rear and you can see and a more efficient use of spaces
[2:36:56] is actually 50 square feet less than the existing bedroom today, just because of the
[2:37:01] better layout. So the addition is 331 square feet, where we are only exceeding the standard
[2:37:08] by 90 feet. Losing 90 square feet from the proposed fourth bedroom really reduces an
[2:37:14] already smaller and more efficient bedroom and it gains the intention of repurposing the
[2:37:19] first and second floor to allow for more common space than an additional bedroom. The proposed
[2:37:25] expansion will be done in a way that is reasonable while modernizing a house that allows for larger
[2:37:30] gathering space, the living room and keeping all the private spaces and the office on the second floor
[2:37:35] while adding that fourth bedroom.
[2:37:40] So, I have handouts.
[2:38:28] Those are not the same ones and
[2:38:33] what is in one place?
[2:38:36] Sure, so it is a six-page exhibit entitled to Sussex Avenue Zoning Board Applications,
[2:38:42] supplemental exhibits, photos taken on 9, 20, 26 by myself,
[2:38:48] Tonya Marion,
[2:38:52] and they are phonos of the adjacent properties
[2:38:54] along Sussex and Essex.
[2:38:59] So the garage is also incorporated into the FAR.
[2:39:02] The burrow excludes detached garages from FAR,
[2:39:05] but the garage accounts for approximately
[2:39:07] 188 square feet of the ground floor.
[2:39:11] All the properties with the exception of 14 Sussex have attached garages.
[2:39:15] It should be noted that even if the applicant wanted to remove the garage and construct a detached,
[2:39:20] they wouldn't be able to do so without a variance because accessory structures must be
[2:39:25] sat back a minimum from 60 feet from the street.
[2:39:29] We only have a lot that it's 55 feet wide.
[2:39:32] The FAR variance criteria is determined by whether the site can accommodate the proposed
[2:39:38] structure.
[2:39:39] First and foremost, the site and the structure is existing and this is just the addition
[2:39:43] of the second floor.
[2:39:44] The setbacks, as was previously discussed, are not impeding on adjacent properties like
[2:39:49] our air.
[2:39:50] The proposed second story is still well within the maximum allowable height and the floor
[2:39:55] is ceiling height of 6, 7 remains, so we're not even taking advantage of a-
[2:40:00] Additional space, but rather ensuring that the addition remains consistent visually with the existing structure and the surrounding neighborhood. So the additional 90 square feet or 1% is minimal compared to the ability to modernize the building in a way that completely complements the surrounding neighborhood and is not egregious and does not impede on light and air. Finally, to address the garage location with the packages that I've just shown you is nine houses along the block that have garages that are either in line with the facade
[2:40:29] or in front of it.
[2:40:32] The last photo is actually the properties along Essex Street.
[2:40:35] So if you go to the applicant site on Essex Street and you look straight across the street,
[2:40:40] those are the two buildings that you would be looking at.
[2:40:42] And they additionally have garages that are flush with the facade.
[2:40:47] And I'm just providing these, right, just so you can see that the existing garage
[2:40:52] actually very much into performance with the surrounding property.
[2:40:56] So by rehabilitating an existing structure and modernizing it so that a family can stay
[2:41:02] and expand to do it in a way that is within context of the surrounding buildings, does
[2:41:06] not impede on neighborhood properties in any way light or air and has a way that will
[2:41:11] do it on minimal impact, we are able to advance the following purposes of the MLUL to guide
[2:41:17] appropriate use and development, that's A, C, provide light and air with the setbacks, that's
[2:41:23] C, I promote desirable visual environment, J, and O together promote conservation and
[2:41:33] promote maximum practical recovery, right?
[2:41:36] So we are just rehabilitating an existing house instead of demolishing it, instead of
[2:41:41] bringing new materials in, we are keeping the character in the house and just adding.
[2:41:47] And finally, it meets some of the purposes of her master plan,
[2:41:52] promote preservation and investment in the existing housing stock,
[2:41:56] ensure adequate light air and open space, and guide residential and
[2:42:00] commercial renovation and construction through the town so that such improvements
[2:42:04] are performed.
[2:42:05] And I think this is the more important part in a manner in style that are compatible
[2:42:09] with the look of the surrounding area.
[2:42:11] For all of these reasons, I do believe that relief has
[2:42:14] So grant of release is not, and the approval is warranted.
[2:42:19] That is the extent of my testimony.
[2:42:35] I have one question for Mr. Emotion, the document.
[2:42:39] Sure, but let's make sure this bill, I think, but I mean,
[2:42:42] that was pretty comprehensive, so I appreciate it.
[2:42:45] And it's very helpful with an application like this
[2:42:48] that plenty of doesn't, so I appreciate the applicant.
[2:42:56] But one thing I'm trying to just recognize,
[2:42:59] I understand a little better is, look, I get, I understand the ask, and it is, you know,
[2:43:06] relatively much, but these are very small lots, right?
[2:43:09] The houses are close together, and I'm trying to, you know, the way that, the way that,
[2:43:15] the one side of the house is completely straight, and then, and then, the way this, the current
[2:43:21] shape of the, what is that, the, what's the first floor in the back there, is that the
[2:43:27] with the existing condition.
[2:43:29] Yeah, these things.
[2:43:31] It's a family room.
[2:43:32] Yeah.
[2:43:32] Okay, so the family room, right,
[2:43:34] sort of cuts back,
[2:43:35] and on the Essex side,
[2:43:37] right, you have to look,
[2:43:38] it's set back a little bit, right,
[2:43:40] so when you build up on top of that,
[2:43:42] it's filtered out, right,
[2:43:43] you're not building on that,
[2:43:44] so it's going to create,
[2:43:45] sort of like a nice architectural,
[2:43:47] sort of look on it.
[2:43:49] But what I'm trying to understand is,
[2:43:50] by putting a second,
[2:43:51] I know it's modest,
[2:43:52] but by putting a second floor out there,
[2:43:55] I'm trying to understand, is that really, is that given the nature of the neighborhood,
[2:44:02] understanding that doesn't really change the look of the house from the front,
[2:44:05] and it will still be visually interesting from the side,
[2:44:08] but does that second story once the reap goes on exactly to create enough bulb to impact negative,
[2:44:15] to impact the neighborhood in a negative way, and I'm kind of just struggling with how to understand that,
[2:44:21] because as much as the picture is kind of depict it's I'm struggling with, you know, adding when you add the second story here raised the chimney like what is does that really impact?
[2:44:35] I think the street helps on one side but then you know from the other side does it do all the neighbors surrounding it does that just look like a giant does it does look oversized relative to what's there today?
[2:44:46] And that's the one thing that I'm struggling with.
[2:44:48] I don't know if it's possible to bring back that chimney, I think bringing that chimney
[2:44:58] in the up with the second score.
[2:45:00] I think creates much more bulk, and maybe you can comment on what you think is going on there. I'll let the the architect come into the chimney, but I can tell you that we are within the height standards. We are meeting the rear yard. We're not needing any of those. And the side yard is pretty consistent. What's there now? So you're really only adding seven and a half feet. I don't see there being any detriment to really there. And again, we have actually 17 feet between us and the property.
[2:45:31] to the South. So the impact, I think, will be actually very minimal. If anything, there's
[2:45:39] just another story that they'll be looking at, which is permitted, actually. But let me
[2:45:44] We can allow Mr. Moshan to dress the chimney.
[2:45:48] Yes, actually, my question was actually the same, almost the same as Mr. Sais.
[2:45:54] Any reason why you carry the full width of the chimney all the way up and not reducing
[2:46:01] it?
[2:46:02] So we can discuss it with the client and we can remove the chimney completely and have a
[2:46:08] direct vent.
[2:46:09] And like we can replace the fireplace with a new gas fireplace that has a direct vent to
[2:46:15] the exterior.
[2:46:16] And we can get rid of the chimney completely if we feel that the bulk of the chimney is
[2:46:22] for an negative impact on the neighborhood.
[2:46:25] And regarding the height of the building and the continuation of the wall, you know, the
[2:46:32] second floor is not a full-edged, full-edged feet high.
[2:46:35] And if it was a gable roof, I would agree with you.
[2:46:39] It might probably give you the impact of a larger mass.
[2:46:43] But the fact that the two corners are chamfered
[2:46:46] and we have a hip roof, and the ceiling itself is lower.
[2:46:50] That will kind of soften the bulk in itself
[2:46:54] and give a really nice character architecture.
[2:46:59] Sorry, distance your talk.
[2:47:01] Do we know how, once the second story goes on,
[2:47:03] another height, the total height of the 17,
[2:47:11] but let me just a little check it,
[2:47:15] it's 23 feet, so it's really insignificant.
[2:47:22] So the second story will be 20?
[2:47:25] Oh, the entire thing is 23 feet.
[2:47:35] Does that answer your question about the chimney?
[2:47:37] Yes, I know, I mean, the salventing chimney,
[2:47:44] Okay, but chimney can be a nice feature to make the house nice. I'm not saying to remove
[2:47:51] the chimney, but my question was, whether you find it perfectly fine with the tape ring
[2:47:58] inside of the chimney as it goes up towards the roof without a doubt.
[2:48:02] I mean, as a designer, you know, what would look nice?
[2:48:09] My question was, I mean, did you have
[2:48:11] any reason to carry the same width all the way up is that it's it's going up already
[2:48:16] about 20 feet so it was easier for us to carry the same width but yeah so we can give
[2:48:26] it another thought and look at it again and you know compare without the chimney completely
[2:48:31] or with a tapered chimney and we can put it as a condition of the pool that's not a problem
[2:48:37] One question, this is the way the house looks, it's the rear of the house, I know the corridor line.
[2:48:47] So, how wide was the chimney?
[2:48:50] I want to say 5.6 feet, less than 6 feet.
[2:48:58] Right, so I guess my question is, it's the rear of the house number one.
[2:49:03] And number two is, I'm not only asking because I know chimney work is tricky.
[2:49:09] You can't just tear it down and build it up, like you need some of you that really helps with it.
[2:49:12] Yeah, it's only serve in a fireplace.
[2:49:15] So there's no multiple units attached to it.
[2:49:19] Like there's no water here and furnace.
[2:49:21] It's just like the one fireplace in the family room.
[2:49:27] And you can see the actual pipe going out.
[2:49:34] So it's really the flu that's venting, but the chimney is really just, yeah.
[2:49:40] I just don't want to put it in the arduous, required benefits, if it's unnecessary.
[2:49:46] Because if the chimney's already 20 feet tall and the height of the building is going to be 23 feet tall,
[2:49:51] I can't remember exactly how far it has to go, but...
[2:49:54] 3 feet above.
[2:49:55] 3 feet above, so you have to have a 26 foot chimney, so you have to add 6 feet to it.
[2:49:58] Yeah, I think so.
[2:50:00] And that's why we gifted this instance. And that's why I'm at, like, because it's the rear of the house to, I'm sort of, I'm at, to me, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not as concerned with that aspect of it. Just pointing it out.
[2:50:17] I just, I've done work. I just want to make sure that,
[2:50:22] like, if the chip, and it's also the picture creating, making it look wider than it really is. But in other words, if that's your least point, because the short stout today is a look wider.
[2:50:34] that it really is going to be.
[2:50:36] I'm going to scale the chimney on that wall
[2:50:39] with the two narrow windows, kind of
[2:50:41] makes it look even wider than it is.
[2:50:45] But it holds through television a little bit.
[2:50:47] It just doesn't hold that.
[2:50:48] It doesn't hold all the time.
[2:50:51] It's about the size of water people.
[2:50:53] You guys have kids.
[2:50:54] Well, that's my point.
[2:50:56] To me, I think with the second story on there,
[2:51:00] I'm not sure the chimney is that big of a deal.
[2:51:02] In other words, I'm just pointing it out, I just don't, because with going over the second
[2:51:09] story, I don't,
[2:51:28] well, that's what this picture will be,
[2:51:35] yeah, exactly, right,
[2:51:39] that's
[2:51:40] extreme.
[2:51:41] Yeah.
[2:51:41] The north side picture.
[2:51:43] Yeah.
[2:51:43] That chimney is about like, I want to say, 35 to 40 feet away from the, I mean, that's
[2:51:52] extreme.
[2:51:55] And isn't it going to be covered from this angle once you put these in?
[2:52:00] Yeah, it's a connection at the top.
[2:52:02] With the, just in the air, well, exactly.
[2:52:08] I'm just set, I'm going to flush it out and make sure you're all.
[2:52:10] Yeah, I guess I'll, I just, just to be clear about my point is, I don't think.
[2:52:20] Yeah, if you're walking down on C6 and you look at it, you'll see it.
[2:52:26] But if you don't even look, you're not going to notice on S6, sorry.
[2:52:30] But if you want to look in, notice it, you will notice it.
[2:52:33] If you're just walking by, you probably not even know it's there.
[2:52:41] I mean, I was just asking about the chimney,
[2:52:43] but would the comment that you made that you care about
[2:52:47] the way you look on the outside, I'm pretty sure that you thought about the whole thing
[2:52:51] when it comes to the chimney.
[2:52:52] So I was just asking the question about the same.
[2:52:55] I don't know the chimney.
[2:52:57] Good.
[2:52:59] Yeah.
[2:52:59] You don't have that.
[2:53:00] Just concentrate on the window.
[2:53:02] You know what I mean?
[2:53:08] Okay.
[2:53:08] Okay, so, are we good with the gym week discussion?
[2:53:12] Are there any other questions?
[2:53:13] No, no, I'm not being facetious, you know,
[2:53:16] we need to air it all out.
[2:53:19] And we've got to make sure it's big enough
[2:53:21] for Santa Claus, you know, or any of the questions
[2:53:25] for either the architect or the planner at this point.
[2:53:38] So, it's kind of have to be submitted and reviewed
[2:53:42] prior to any type of vulgar event.
[2:53:45] Okay, thanks for pointing out that out.
[2:53:47] I don't think she prepared me, I heard her say she did not, so it's up to the board whether
[2:53:54] they have to.
[2:53:55] Is she required to prepare me?
[2:53:58] No.
[2:53:59] Thank you.
[2:54:00] With the same question.
[2:54:01] Right.
[2:54:01] So in other words, we have the applicant's plan and planner and test plan testimony does, what
[2:54:09] is the feeling of the board recording regarding whether or not we need the board's planner
[2:54:15] to either refute or confirm the planning testimony.
[2:54:20] No,
[2:54:24] we have Kendra Lee Lee as our planner.
[2:54:26] She usually does a separate report when there's a de-variance
[2:54:29] and she did not do that.
[2:54:36] Well, if you want to put the capital capital,
[2:54:39] if she does, we should inquire through this.
[2:54:42] If they are embarrassing,
[2:54:43] whether or not the way that it straights
[2:54:46] from what the ordinance allows,
[2:54:49] can the site accommodate that difference
[2:54:51] or is it causing a lot of issues?
[2:54:54] And this is a fairly slight deviation
[2:54:57] from what you are in this house.
[2:55:00] That's basically the task.
[2:55:04] I mean, I mean, we could take the post to the board, but I personally feel the need for. Yes, last planer to have to prepare. I agree. I'm ready. So no one's, no one's put off by the fact that we don't have the board's plan.
[2:55:25] for preparing a letter. Okay, so we're all agreeing on that. We can move forward.
[2:55:33] Looks like there are no further questions. I mean, do you have anything else to present
[2:55:38] or are you internally going over to the board?
[2:55:41] Mr. Schumpel, yeah, excuse me.
[2:55:45] So if we agree, it's legal to do this. Nobody's going to come back and say,
[2:55:53] Okay, I'm sorry you needed the plan to ladder.
[2:55:57] You could not require me.
[2:55:58] So we, we, okay, good.
[2:56:00] Yeah, I mean, yeah, I was just going to talk about a couple of things.
[2:56:04] First, it looks like there's no members of the public for, you know,
[2:56:08] to put questions to either professional, more to provide any commentary.
[2:56:15] So, going back to what I said at the outside of the application,
[2:56:18] we've got five voting members here,
[2:56:21] or any five or further votes for the federal variance.
[2:56:26] Does it make sense to do board commentary first,
[2:56:30] and based upon how that sounds?
[2:56:33] In other words, we could hold board,
[2:56:37] have the board provide comments on the application
[2:56:40] and generally, we're there leaning,
[2:56:42] and then based on something before,
[2:56:44] we actually go to the voting.
[2:56:47] And you know, it doesn't sound like we've got
[2:56:50] the votes, you have the option to carry it and to allow the other board members to not present
[2:56:55] the analysis to be in the detail. So polling is not binding.
[2:57:01] So with that, we could turn
[2:57:03] you over to the board who would like to start. You want to start? Yeah, I'll start. Change it up a little bit.
[2:57:10] Yep. So looking at it by just numbers, initially, I had one give.
[2:57:19] Then here in the testimony, you see what is proposed for the structure, the different
[2:57:29] view.
[2:57:31] You know, I'm a little bit less concerned about the FIR with your overall intent to refresh
[2:57:39] the home.
[2:57:41] It's usability. I'm bringing it up to today's standards, the family's
[2:57:48] standards, and for future families and getting that property sort of preserved.
[2:57:53] So for all that, you know, I saw this sort of mod as well.
[2:57:57] Well, maybe I'll listen to that.
[2:58:06] I agree.
[2:58:07] I still think I might ask you to remove the chimney,
[2:58:10] but it's definitely a might.
[2:58:23] It's a modest ask.
[2:58:24] I think it's a approach to it.
[2:58:27] And I think not look down to it.
[2:58:30] I agree with Mr. Farlock.
[2:58:32] I think we're preserving the stock
[2:58:34] and maintaining the look and feel of the neighborhood
[2:58:38] at the same time of your modernizing house
[2:58:42] that will, you know, bring it into
[2:58:46] your current for the next.
[2:58:53] Yeah, I agree with what you had said about.
[2:58:57] When you look at the application, you look at the numbers, especially if the FAR variance
[2:59:02] has been requested, just the numbers along make it look like it's a significant variance.
[2:59:07] And so when you look at the application, when the context is provided, the context that the professionals
[2:59:15] and testified is provided, it's not as bad as it sounds.
[2:59:18] And my conclusion was that the lot can accommodate
[2:59:21] what is being proposed here.
[2:59:24] You know, at the outset, you had spoken about personal reasons
[2:59:27] for wanting to do this, your growing family,
[2:59:29] typical story we hear at all the time,
[2:59:31] but the board typically can't justify the grand date
[2:59:34] of the variance based on personal reasons.
[2:59:36] So when I was listening to the testimony I was looking for,
[2:59:40] you know, is there, is the home being included
[2:59:43] from a functionality or is it correcting obsolescence issues and my personal
[2:59:49] conclusion was that it is that the application is improving
[3:00:00] The functionality and the flow, it is a better layout, so it's generally very good. And the planning
[3:00:06] testimony was very helpful, especially the aerial photos to show what's being proposed and
[3:00:10] how it fits into the neighborhood and how I personally did not see anything detrimental
[3:00:15] in bumping out the back of the way you're planning on building it. So, like I said, the
[3:00:20] lot seems to be able to accommodate the additional bulk. So, with that, I'm good with it.
[3:00:26] So it sounds like I didn't hear any, you know, the five present voting numbers preparing to cast a negative vote.
[3:00:33] So if you're okay with proceeding, I can ask for a motion to approve the application.
[3:00:40] Okay,
[3:00:44] the application, some will go out a second.
[3:00:47] That was a good move.
[3:00:53] So with that, I'll ask Aaron to call the roll.
[3:00:57] Mr. Hoffman, yes.
[3:00:59] Yes. Mr. Heron chose the yes, Mr. Ballett. Yes. The six x? Yes. Mr. Tompick. Yes.
[3:01:11] What's the patient approved? Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
[3:01:16] Thank you very much. So,
[3:01:21] where is that?
[3:01:28] So, um, um, the medicine, uh, medication,
[3:01:36] that's in the 25-day-01-1, uh, will be carried
[3:01:41] to the special meeting on October 20th.
[3:01:44] I have that correct.
[3:01:45] It
[3:01:50] looks like application CP 26-005, uh, Shukla and Joshi application, 14-something set,
[3:01:58] and having you will also be carried to the regular leave, right?
[3:02:04] On October 28th,
[3:02:14] get 26,0005 with the carried to October 28th,
[3:02:17] enough for the notice of the required,
[3:02:22] yeah, and yeah, 00,
[3:02:25] I'm sorry, okay,
[3:02:30] thank you, forgot about that one.
[3:02:32] And the application you started earlier this evening was
[3:02:35] So the CV 26008, the jack construction tool,
[3:02:39] quite a little side avenue will also be carried
[3:02:41] to the October 28 meeting about further notice.
[3:02:46] And that's all I have.
[3:02:47] So unless there's any new business entertainer
[3:02:50] on the entertainment motion to adjourn,
[3:02:52] I'll make the motion.
[3:02:53] Second.
[3:02:55] All in favor?
[3:02:56] Aye.
[3:02:56] We're adjourned.