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So I'm going to go ahead and call this work session to order. Good afternoon, everyone. Do I have any adjustments to the work session agenda?

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No. All right, hearing none. I'm going to get a motion to approve the work session agenda today, please.

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Thank you on favor.

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We have four resolutions today.

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We have some folks.

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Here to have pictures for those.

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So basically, the way we're going to do this is we're going to present each of these resolutions.

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And then after we present all of them, we're just going to go ahead and take a short recess to take photos for anybody that's here for those today.

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First app is item 260446, but to adopt a resolution, recognizing September 26th is healthy

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aging month in Chattam County, and to read that as governor, as far as.

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A resolution of the Chattam County Board of Commissioners recognizing September 26th

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has healthy aging month in Chattam County.

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Whereas Chattam County joins the state and nation in observing healthy aging month in September,

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which raises awareness of the physical and mental health of older adults as we age our minds and bodies changes.

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Requiring the maintenance of a healthy lifestyle to adapt to these changes and prevent common health problems related to aging.

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and we're as Chattam County Aging Services operates the Pittsburgh Center for Active Living and the Solidarity Center for Active Living

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to serve that the physical, social and informational needs of those 55 years of age and older

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and we're as through the services

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Activities and programs of chatemcounting, aging services, a growing older adult population can contribute to its health and well-being, and those of its fellow citizens.

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And whereas the Pittsburgh Center for Active Living and Solidarity Center for Active Living, or staff by caring professionals and volunteers who plan and provide programming, affirming the dignity, self-worth and independence of the older adult population.

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and we're asked Chetam County Aging Services Centers play a crucial role in preserving and maintaining the independence of older adults, allowing them to age in place for as long as possible.

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and whereas the Pittsburgh Center for Active Libyan Solidarity Center for Active Libyan

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Living have earned a center of excellence, these stations from the North Carolina Division

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of Aging and Adult Services and whereas Chatham County Aging Services will commemorate

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healthy aging month with its third annual healthy aging expo on Tuesday, September 22nd

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at the Chatham County Agriculture and Conference Center.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Chatham County Board of Commissioners,

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the month of September is recognized as healthy aging month in Chatham County.

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And, calls upon the people of Chatham County to observe the month on making age-appropriate steps

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to safeguard physical and mental health, including the utilization of services and programs offered

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by the Chattam County Agent Services adopted this the 17th day of August, 2026.

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Is there a motion to approve the resolution?

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As the resident older person, I will second.

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Do I have an all in favor?

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And I am old and in you.

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But at least six months.

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Mr. Howard.

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Next up is item 260419 vote to adopt a resolution, recognizing September 2026 as Kinship

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Care Month and Commissioner,

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you're reading that.

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Board of Commissioners, recognizing September as Kinship Care Month in Chattam County,

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whereas the children in youth are our hope for the future, and children deserve a safe and

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loving nurturing place to call home. Whereas Kinship Care minimizes the trauma of separation

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by placing children with relatives or close family friends, they are already no and trust.

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And whereas Chattam County has committed dedicated resources to increase the number and supports

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to kinship families across the county to minimize additional stressors for children and families.

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And whereas during the fiscal year 2025, there were an average of 79 children in foster care in Chattam County each month.

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With approximately 25% of these children living with family and

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can chip connections, including some who are licensed foster homes, and

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whereas the can chip foster care and guardianship assistance program,

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can gap offers financial assistance and Medicaid for youth who are determined to be

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in a permanent family setting and unlikely to obtain permanency through

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re-unification or adoption. And this helps to maintain continuity of care for children outside

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of traditional foster homes. And whereas Kinship Care Month is an opportunity to recognize

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the Kinship Care providers who open their hearts to provide children with the sense of connection,

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security, and ties to their culture, family, and community, as well as child welfare professionals

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and advocates, working to ensure children's safety, permanence, and well-being, and to spread

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awareness on behalf of the children in Kinship Care.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Chattam County Board of Commissioners that's at

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10, or 20, 26 is recognized as Kinship Care Month, and encourages people to volunteer their

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time, energy, and talents on behalf of children in foster care and their biological families.

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can ship care and foster parents during the month and throughout the year adopted this the

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17th day of August, 2026.

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Would you like to make a motion?

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To adopt the resolution?

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So moved.

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Thank you. All right. Next up is item 2, 6, 0468 vote to adopt a resolution recognizing national voter registration day and Commissioner Robertson will be reading this one.

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Resolution of the Chattam County Board of Commissioners recognizing September 15th of 2026 is national voter registration day in Chattam County.

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Whereas the right to vote is a fundamental pillar of the American democracy, ensuring that all citizens have the opportunity to participate in the governance of their communities state and nation.

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And whereas National Voter Registration Day is a nonpartisan, civic holiday celebrated annually

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to encourage eligible citizens to register to vote and to participate fully in the

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democratic process. And whereas millions of Americans remain unregistered or face barriers

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to registration, underscoring the importance of public awareness, outreach, and access to voter

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registration resources. And whereas civic engagement and voter participation, strengthen communities,

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promote accountability, and help ensure that government reflects the will of the people.

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And whereas local governments, community organizations, volunteers, and election officials play a

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idle role in promoting voter registration and encouraging informed participation in elections.

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And whereas the Chatham County Board of Commissioners is committed to supporting fair,

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accessible, and secure elections, and to encouraging all eligible residents to exercise

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their right to vote.

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Now therefore it be resolved that the Chatham County Board of Commissioners hereby recognizes

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is September 15th, 2026, as National Voter Registration Day and encourages all eligible residents

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of Chattam County to register to vote. Verify their registration status and participate

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in the upcoming elections, adopted this 17th day of August 2026.

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Thank you. To have a motion. I'd like to have a motion. A motion to approve the resolution. Thank you.

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And we have a second-all in favor.

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It was a Skipper pay roll.

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I just, yes, payroll.

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Do not want to forget payroll.

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We definitely got, I did Skipper roll.

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Allergies of apologies.

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We don't hope payroll to skip us.

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Vote to adopt a resolution recognizing payroll week

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during the week of September 7th.

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2026 through September 11th, 2026 in Shadowham County, Commissioner Howard, will you please read this one?

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Yes. Payroll professionals play a critical role in ensuring the timely and accurate

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payment of wages to America's workforce, and whereas payroll departments collect, report,

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and deposit nearly three trillion in an annual federal income, social security, and unemployment

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taxes, in addition to managing complex regulatory requirements at the federal, state, and local levels,

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and whereas payroll professionals help ensure compliance with ever-changing labor and tax laws,

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protecting employees and employers alike, and whereas the work of payroll professionals contribute to the economic health of our nation,

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supporting employee financial security and enabling businesses to meet their obligations,

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and whereas these individuals are vital to the county's mission to deliver efficient and reliable services to residents,

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ensuring fiscal responsibility and operational excellence across all departments.

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has designated the first full week of September as national payroll week

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to honor the vital contributions of payroll professionals.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Chattam County Board of Commissioners here

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by proclaim September 7th through the 11th, 2026 as payroll week in Chattam County

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And expresses a sincere appreciation to the county's payroll professionals for their essential work in supporting the financial integrity and success of chatem county operations adopted this 17th day of August 2026.

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All right. All right. In the motion to approve is adopted. Thank you. Right. And now we will have a 10-minute recess to take photos for resolutions. Can you keep us on order as far as, which is for second, third, fourth?

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Next is public comments. And do we have anybody sign up for this afternoon? No, we have no one signed up for this session. Okay. Thank you. All right. And next up is board priorities. We have item 2, 6, 0,

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3, 6, 2. Receive a presentation from Chattam Health Alliance, Julie Walkerson will present this item.

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Hi, it's good to see you all.

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I'm Julie Walkerson. I know some of you.

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I'm the executive director of the Chattam Health Alliance.

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This is going to be short and sweet.

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So many of you know, but the Alliance is a membership-led coalition. We bring together community members, but also agency partners, to work on the health priorities and just wellness and health in Chattam County.

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We have a wide range of members, and we've been working really hard over the last few years to make the Alliance more accessible to community members, to be part of the work we're doing, and so far that's been pretty successful. I'll talk a little bit more about that.

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I'm going to focus today on the community assessment, since we have another one right around the corner,

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2027, and the community health improvement plan, and then I just want to focus for a minute on our community action team,

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because it's grown a lot over the last few years and I'm very excited about it.

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So this shows you the 2024 sort of timeline of the community assessment.

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the big buckets will look very similar. We are making some changes. Again, our hope is

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just to make this as robust a data collection as we can and to make it as focused on what

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the community wants to know and interested in able to communicate with us as possible. So some

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things might change and next year when I present again, I'll be able to highlight those changes.

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but the main buckets are obviously survey and data collection.

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So we develop the survey in the year leading up to data collection.

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So we're about to start doing the development.

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And then this survey will go out to community members in the spring of 2027.

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We also, so that's our quantitative data.

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We also do qualitative data collection.

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Those are focus groups.

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Again, those happen in the spring and early summer of the community assessment year.

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Those go into the prioritization and strategic planning, that's really what the

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China Health Alliance does.

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So the Health Department does a big push of data collection and analysis and the Alliance

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We talk to community members and agencies.

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We show them the data and we ask what they think our focus area should really be on for the

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collective action work that we do in the community and we develop a community strategic plan.

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We support the assessment report process as well.

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We try and get as many agencies to be a part of that development.

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The County Public Health Department does so much work around this.

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You all know that you hear from them.

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They do amazing work and really be alliances.

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Just try and try to support and make sure we have voices from other agencies as well.

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We disseminate the community assessment.

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This is really a year's long process.

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the actual data collection is a short period of time,

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but the overall assessment process really does take

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that it's six months of planning and then six months to a year of dissemination

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to make sure we're getting that data out to agencies and the community members who need it.

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I'll talk more about the community action team, but we started that in 2024 again

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as a way for the community to be part of developing the survey to let us know

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what they're seeing on the ground in the community, what we need to be asking about,

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but then also after that to be part of the work we're doing. So they are almost a fourth action

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committee for the Alliance. They really are helping advise our subcommittees telling agencies what

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they're seeing, what's working, what's not, what we're doing that they find helpful, what we could

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be doing differently, so they've been great. And then our health priority subcommittees develop

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action plans for each of the health priorities. So next I'm going to talk about each of those health

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subcommittees, and their work in successes in 2025, which I realize seems late, but I unfortunately

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missed my original date to present to you, I apologize. I will start with activities for youth and

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young adults. They've done a great amount of work. They identified a city park in

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city, there's funding through the health department to do a feasibility study for developing

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that site, but probably the thing I missed and pressed that that group did was they put

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together a survey for youth 14 to 22 and they got 66 responses, which is huge. And I really

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credit just the collaborative nature of that subcommittee and being able to do that and we got

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some great information from youth about what they wanted to see. Just kind of acknowledging

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that often those rooms are adults talking about what Park should have and in this scenario we really

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wanted to hear if we create a park for you, what do you want to see there and we got some really

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interesting information. They want a lot of games that they play with their friends, air hockey,

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things like that, not so much separation. Is it in the report?

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this, but we can get that to you. I'd love for that.

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Develop a curriculum for youth her interested in local government in learning how to be involved. So that's exciting. And then the last thing is trying is working with agencies to figure out how we can help get the word out about programs. One of the things that I hear a lot from the community when I'm having community groups or working with the action team is that they don't. They're surprised when I tell them about programs. They haven't heard this. So we're trying to bridge that gap of what we as agencies,

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think we're doing really well in communication and what the communities actually telling us is

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reaching them or not so that we can make that better. They've been working on that.

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access, the health care access subcommittee worked a lot last year to create a comprehensive guide

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of mobile health care units. So our goal with that is the Alliance has some funding and the task

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force about to launch to relaunch our community resource hubs, which you all may know of, especially

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if you saw that happen during COVID, it's something we started in COVID to get needed resources

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directly to the community where they live, in their neighborhoods, at churches, at schools,

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and we want to relaunch that. We've heard from community members that it really is helpful

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way for them to get resources, especially if they don't live in either of the city centers here in

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want to expand that to include health resources.

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So the healthcare access subcommittees

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been working with various providers to find out

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what mobile options they have for going out

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in the community to deliver healthcare.

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They've also created a provider facing resource guide.

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And this kind of goes hand in hand.

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This is a way for providers who are seeing patients

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to directly send them to other resource providers

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to have kind of at their fingertips a way to find, if they have a, if they have a patient who needs

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housing assistance, they can go into this

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resource guide and find someone they can connect them to directly.

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And then finally, they can be in two healthcare collaborative, the systems navigator,

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collaborative, and a healthcare leader's collaborative, and we just wanted to improve the

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coordination between all the providers in Chatham.

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And then finally,

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Substance Use Treatment and Support was the third health priority identified in 2024.

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A ton is happening in Chattam County around this.

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So I will say what's on here is primarily work that's happening outside of the Alliance

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Subcommittee.

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And in recognizing that the Subcommittee did ask to have specific questions put on our

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2026 annual survey because the Health Department does send out a survey every year

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As a way to ask more detailed questions about things we need to know, the hope being that that subcommittee can look at the data and identify gaps and all this amazing work that is happening.

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Where's their work that still needs to be done that they can fill, but I did want to highlight some amazing work, the fact that our health department now offers medications to help manage opioid cravings and withdraw symptoms.

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and we have the Freenaloxone Bending Machine.

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There really is just amazing amount of work happening around this in China.

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So, the community action team, I mentioned, it really is like a fourth working committee

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of the Alliance and an advisory committee for our subcommittees.

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It's a way for the community to speak directly to our agencies who are doing collaborative work.

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There are 50 community members that are very engaged at any given meeting.

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we get about 20 to 25, we have a new, at least one new member at every meeting, which to me speaks to the fact that there is a lot of good that's coming out of this for the community, and there's a ton of good coming out for me.

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It's really changed how we approach the work that we're doing, and I find that it's allowed the community to embrace our work.

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And the last meeting we had, which was back and makes, we do take the summers off as per requested by the community members.

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We had a panel on community and agency communication. I mentioned that something I hear a lot from the community.

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They don't feel like they're hearing from us. So we had a town commissioner. We had agency representatives and Tyler City's mayor come and listen to the community's concerns, tell them what it is we are doing.

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And I felt that we all left with something positive.

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Ideas for how to do better and also an understanding

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that agencies really are trying.

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It's not that we're not trying to tell the community

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Finally, I'm not going to click on this. I don't want to take up too much time, but I encourage you to look at it if you haven't. In North Carolina, all accredited public health departments use clear impact score cards to host their community health improvement plans and update them.

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So every time I have new data coming in, I am updating this.

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That's probably about quarterly that it gets updated.

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So I encourage you to look at this to share it if folks are wondering what's the

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help department doing around this. What happens after this community assessment

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we hear about it for a year and then we don't know what happens.

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This is a great place to see what's going on.

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So looking forward, I mentioned this.

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It's going to be all community assessment all the time for a while.

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The subcommittees will continue working on our current community strategic plan through the end of 2027.

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And we're starting planning for the 2027 community health assessment now.

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And then you'll see that push for data collection starting in the spring.

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And you'll start hearing a lot from the health department and again for me once we have data to share and next steps.

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So I am happy to answer any questions if you have them.

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I don't have a question, but I do want to say that this this feels really good and it

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it reminds me of the conversation that we had with United Way going into their bold

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gold conversation that so much good work was happening on the ground but if people feel

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like it's disparate or if they're slipping through like little cracks that we could weave together

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more intentionally like we're going to do so have so much more impact on the ground and it really

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feels like that is what's happening here, right?

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We have to be willing to hear that people didn't know,

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like we were putting the measures, I messed it up,

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but that's one of the many challenges in China and County

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with having multiple sources that people go to

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for their information.

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There's this risk that they're not hearing

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about all of the good and relevant things.

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And particularly not hearing when they're in crisis, right?

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You need to get the information in hand quickly.

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So this sounds really good.

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And I'm glad you did make it out to share this with us.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Thank you.

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I want to tell you, thank you as well.

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The health director cheers well.

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Thank you for the work you're doing out there and it's very important stuff.

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We appreciate you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I have to agree.

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I think that it's a wonderful work.

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And it's done.

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I'm excited about where you're going to go next year.

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Thank you for this report.

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I think that so many organizations, including the Commissioner Struggle,

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with just getting information out.

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So people know it's going on.

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It is so hard.

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So you're not alone in that area.

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And I think we all just continue to try harder

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on that and chair.

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So if you find solutions,

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I'll just show.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Julie.

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All right.

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Next up is item 260447.

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Receive a presentation on the chatem county,

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funding partnership with WebSquared

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and determine next steps presenting on that

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as the EEO and community engagement officer

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to run the CLEG.

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Thank you, Jennifer.

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Good afternoon, everyone. Good afternoon. Okay. So,

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Chaddam County's funding partnership with WebSquare. As you may recall,

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there was a study done in 2022, an assessment study done on entrepreneurs and the needs assessment,

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And it was determined that there were some disparities.

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Web squared since 2023 has been one of those trusted partners to provide some incubator

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like services to entrepreneurs looking for help.

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And in particularly minority entrepreneurs.

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If you take a look at this, in fiscal year 24, and we're talking about the entrepreneurs

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that were supported, in fiscal year 24, there were six supported with the Innovation Lab,

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and the Innovation Lab is their incubator to what they do.

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They bring folks in to talk about...

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In 24, as far as workshops, round tables, networking events, they had, they served 10, the total number of entrepreneurs served for fiscal year 24.

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I'm sorry, fiscal year 24 was 22 and out of those served, there were 11 of them were Chattam County entrepreneurs, based entrepreneurs.

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And 2025, 41 served in the Innovation Lab, 36 workshops, round tables and networking events,

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26 entrepreneurs served in total. And again, 11 were Chattam County entrepreneurs.

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In 2026, they've had 37 served, 19 workshops, attending workshops, 27 entrepreneurs served and a total of 17 total were entrepreneurs from Chattam County.

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When we look at the support at the fiscal support that we've given them over the years,

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2023, the initial contract for services was $19,748, that was a total funding from

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I'm county and that was from May to from April to June 30 of fiscal year 23.

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There are other sources that they've gotten funds from the amount is there.

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2024, they received $59,496, and from our competitive process, they received $10,000.

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And the numbers again are there, $69,496 was a total.

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Other resources, $126,352.

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In 2025, they received from the contract services $84,629 from our competitive human services

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side, $37,500 for a total of $122,129.

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In 2026, they received $87,500, $35,000 from the company competitive process for a total

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of 122,500, and you'll see that they had a drop of other resources outside of the county,

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it was 86,530. So as we approaching fiscal year 27, I can tell you that they received 35,000 in

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the competitive process on the human services side. We don't yet know what they will receive from

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outside and it's left up to you to kind of discernment what that funding will be on the contract

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service aside.

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So the question is fiscal year 27 and beyond how do we what do we do with our

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contract services with web square moving forward? Do you have any questions for me?

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I do, so I know that a big part of the momentum on this was a conversation out of that study and the fact that we had ARPA funds available.

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But it seemed to me that we were consistently having at least some contemplation of this as not a temporary thing.

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Right, this wasn't.

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We weren't going to fix this in four budget cycles.

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It wasn't created in four budget cycles.

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And so there is this sort of enduring need.

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have we had any conversation about the contract services amount, or is that, is that a complete blank slate for us coming into this right now?

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I mean, maybe I can look at Brian for that question.

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They did.

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Well, they did send a letter request for funding in FY207.

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They did.

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Every year they have sent us a proposal of their services and telling us what their goals will be

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and what they've done for the previous year.

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And for fiscal year 27, their request was $400,000 to help them do some of those services

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and some of that included many of the same...

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The previous year, but also one new goal was building a book, text books that would be something for entrepreneurs to have.

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But the request has increased to 100,000.

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Okay. And so I guess the conversation for our board to have is perhaps more than just a

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one year like let's not have to rebuild this creature again next year but that broader

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conversation about what does a contractor for this type of service look like going forward.

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And maybe we do have to have some conversation about the amount or I don't know how we want to

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that because I don't think we have, when I'm trying to think of something that might be similar

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and I think of the EDC, we don't revisit how much the contract is with this level of detail every

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year. So it would be good to me if we, if we, as a board, could get there, right? What does it look

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like for now and then how do we want to hand this over? So that it becomes more a function of staff

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curiosity, how feasible would this be, I kind of was thinking maybe similarly, to have this discussion, maybe be part of the budgeting process, and maybe instead of having them present every single year, it's just embedded with how we do budgeting.

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And past years, it has been part of the budget process.

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This is a little bit out of sync with that.

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That was just miscommunication and the transmission of their request and the budget cycle.

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So this typically would have been taken care of as part of that larger budget consideration.

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But since we didn't catch that, this is outside of that process.

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And so far as ongoing, one thing that we can do, what we talked about with about the EDC is making sure that we are touching based on somewhat of a regular basis to ensure that our objectives and goals are aligned.

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Maybe there are some metrics that we can identify for a performance and what we would like to see, which you would like to see as a board as outcomes for this activity and if that's the direction that we receive.

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We can definitely work with WebSquare in this next funding cycle for the FY28 budget to make it more explicit in a line with those goals that the board identifies.

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I think we also have some overlapping goals with Wolf Entrepreneurship, some of the small business work we're doing and I'd be really curious to see how these overlaps happen and how we can maybe support more holistically some of the mutual goals that we might have in these areas.

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Maybe that's another topic for January.

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Certainly we need to take care of WebSquared right now.

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And ensure that that box is tracked.

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But it seems like we might want to look in a larger conversation.

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And we are planning on larger conversation with stakeholders

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in a Donchpreneur small business community,

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our very own print in Hort.

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It's put together in agenda and the initial small group

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discussion with some of their stakeholders and and then in future meetings kind of broaden that net a bit see how, you know, if there is overlap that it's overlap that makes sense is redundancy with purpose versus, you know, redundancy that doesn't get back to the community.

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I don't let any of you fall to the way, but yeah, absolutely, yeah, cool. Awesome. Thanks, Brian.

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And I really want to highlight the point that you made that it is redundancy with the intent,

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because I think a lot of this work could technically be called redundant. It is available elsewhere,

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but historically it has not been available in the forum format, and with the back support

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needed for minority communities. And so this is intentionally separated out because of the things

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that we're not have not historically been made available to minorities in our community,

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minority business owners, minority entrepreneurs, and entrepreneurial-minded minority individuals

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who would participate in that space if they could get the level of support that

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web-squared is providing and so we're going to have to balance that well to make sure that we're not

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sending people to the source that wasn't working for them in the first place.

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First, at 100,000. First, there's been a still a and there's also, I do not believe any diminution in the need at this point yet.

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I don't know how we fund that, whether we do they meet a milestone, is there, is it something that we find a front or do they meet milestones and then we pay out for services?

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This would follow our standard of contract services with our nonprofit agencies, which would

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be, I think, quarterly payments.

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No, and in this particular case, because it's the contract services, we have, in the past,

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historically, we have given them the full amount of the signing of the contract.

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only the non-profit competitive portion do we do that in two different payouts and then they do

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a report at mid-year. So for contract work, for contract services, they do a report or

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in the end, okay, not in the middle of the year. The competitive process they do a report in the middle

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of the year and then they do one at the end of the year. Okay.

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And we can structure it through

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follow the human service nonprofit competitive process

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and the board would like to see that mid-year report

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as well, not just at the back end of the year.

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And I'm comfortable with leaving it the way it was

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unless there is something that would compel us

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to want to do different.

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Is that your preference?

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My preference? Yeah.

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My preference is whatever you prefer.

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Okay. Thanks, absolutely.

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Thank you.

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My staff.

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I think unless there is something that has raised the concern, I would not be minded to go behind it and change it to something that's more potentially more onerous but for a smaller organization doing a lot of work.

441
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:15,140
Yeah, I'm concerned about it being onerous, so I don't see a reason to change from the, that's what I'm getting.

442
00:47:15,140 --> 00:47:15,540
Yes.

443
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:16,400
Okay.

444
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:17,620
Yeah.

445
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:18,460
Make sure you get my source.

446
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:19,780
Do you have anything?

447
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:20,500
No.

448
00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:21,980
All right.

449
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:24,760
Any other questions?

450
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,620
So do you need a motion from us?

451
00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:33,620
You do need a motion for you and an amount.

452
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:43,800
So I will make a motion to approve the chat and county contract services in the amount of 100,000

453
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:52,740
for at fiscal year 2026-27 that I say $100,000.

454
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,020
Yeah, if I did not say that.

455
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:55,520
Is that okay?

456
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,300
All in favor.

457
00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:00,140
Thank you.

458
00:48:00,140 --> 00:48:01,320
Okay, thank you.

459
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,220
Thank you.

460
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:04,780
All right.

461
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:05,800
Next up.

462
00:48:06,180 --> 00:48:08,260
Item 26-0426.

463
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,020
Receive a presentation from the Conservation Working Group.

464
00:48:12,020 --> 00:48:18,460
a conservation resiliency planner Erin Ansbro and strategic initiatives manager Brent and

465
00:48:18,460 --> 00:48:20,120
Hart will present the sign-in

466
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,180
don't do that

467
00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:59,850
yep it's good

468
00:48:59,850 --> 00:49:00,030
here you

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00:49:18,910 --> 00:49:21,150
go all

470
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,220
right hi everybody I'm Erin Ansbro on the conservation of resiliency planner

471
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:38,240
and I've burned out the strategic initiatives manager can you guys speak into the

472
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:43,160
Yeah, sure. And today we're going to be giving an update on the Conservation Working Group.

473
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:49,640
So as a reminder, the Conservation Working Group, aka the CWG, is an interdepartmental

474
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:54,620
working group that brings together various departments of Chad and County whose work addresses

475
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:59,980
environmental goals. And as part of this, we meet monthly where we discuss existing...

476
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,640
heard from November 2025 to June of 2026.

477
00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:09,790
The first update is from the solid ways and sustainability department,

478
00:50:10,030 --> 00:50:15,250
formally known as the environmental quality department, and it is about the climate action plan. As

479
00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:20,790
you all know, the climate retreat occurred in the fall of 2025, where current climate science and

480
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:26,170
implications for the county was discussed, as well as establishing a common framework for a climate

481
00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:27,350
action process.

482
00:50:28,170 --> 00:50:31,310
Clarity around roles, timelines and expectations were also established.

483
00:50:32,610 --> 00:50:37,110
The Climate Change Advisory Committee took this and discussed a scope of work for the project

484
00:50:37,110 --> 00:50:39,950
and then presented to you all at your budget retreat.

485
00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:46,610
You all approved for this fiscal year a RFP for the development of a climate action plan

486
00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:48,630
and that RFP was released in June.

487
00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:53,570
We now have a consultant for the project, Blue Strike, and once they start, the project

488
00:50:53,570 --> 00:50:55,130
is estimated to take one year.

489
00:50:55,130 --> 00:51:00,090
CWG will also be part of this project that consultant will be meeting with us regularly.

490
00:51:03,350 --> 00:51:09,610
Another update from Solid Waste is that the energy efficiency and conservation block grant is almost complete.

491
00:51:10,290 --> 00:51:18,330
They finished the first round of audits in November and then the remaining audits were completed in May and the report was received in June.

492
00:51:19,090 --> 00:51:24,570
The remaining grant funds will be spent on projects and strategies recommended by these reports.

493
00:51:24,570 --> 00:51:31,550
And as a reminder, this is a collaboration between the facilities and solid waste and sustainability department

494
00:51:31,550 --> 00:51:38,990
and the grant was funded through the Central Pines Regional Council grant Assistance Program, which we have through CWG.

495
00:51:42,830 --> 00:51:44,250
Good afternoon, Commissioner.

496
00:51:44,830 --> 00:51:49,670
So I've got an additional update for the solid waste and sustainability department.

497
00:51:49,670 --> 00:52:02,030
So, our first, my first, for them, is the electric vehicle charging data, as you all may know, we have four different county owned electric vehicle charging stations,

498
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:09,990
Smithfield and Tyler City, at the Ag Center, at the Goldstone Library, and then also one at the Performance Building.

499
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:21,330
from November 25 through June 26, these stations operated at 18.7 megawatt hours and they

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00:52:21,330 --> 00:52:28,390
dispense that amount of electricity. And this is a 34% increase from what it was in the

501
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:35,410
same period the prior year. So, as you all will note, that kind of represents that genuine

502
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:41,550
continuous growth since those stations were installed. And then additionally we wanted to

503
00:52:41,550 --> 00:52:48,990
give some context that this is equivalent to about 2000 gallons of gasoline or 750

504
00:52:48,990 --> 00:52:56,910
round trips from Pittsburgh to Raleigh. So just some data there for you all. Additionally,

505
00:52:58,090 --> 00:53:04,070
we have some data on the solar systems from the Ag Center and the solid waste building.

506
00:53:04,070 --> 00:53:12,550
And they've generated over 160 megawatt hours of electricity from November 25 to June 26.

507
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:18,410
This is a powering about 13 North Carolina homes a year.

508
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:27,170
And then, finally, for this department, food waste drop-off pilots, so you all will know about this.

509
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:34,290
But the solid waste department began the food waste drop-off pilot at four collection centers in November

510
00:53:34,810 --> 00:53:36,810
This is generated and

511
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:39,810
Data shows a total of

512
00:53:39,810 --> 00:53:44,020
19,000 pounds of food waste has been dropped off at those four centers

513
00:53:44,830 --> 00:53:47,830
This reduces the production of methane

514
00:53:56,370 --> 00:53:57,150
in

515
00:53:57,150 --> 00:54:01,230
facility in Chattam County where it was used to create compost.

516
00:54:02,770 --> 00:54:09,130
Additionally, the second department or the next department we wanted to highlight was Parks

517
00:54:09,130 --> 00:54:17,370
Recreation and Cultural Resources for the Parker's Ridge Park in Moncure, the ribbon cutting

518
00:54:17,370 --> 00:54:25,330
was held on April 29th and then construction begins this summer and an opening is expected

519
00:54:25,330 --> 00:54:32,990
next year, summer of 2027. And just some future amenities we wanted to include were a pump

520
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,180
Second thing here is the George Pauli Nature Trail in North East, in the North East District Park.

521
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:11,200
It was completed in May and a ribbon cutting ceremony was held to celebrate it.

522
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:20,080
It's about a 0.6 mile park. Our trail and traverses some upland forest and wild flower and the wild flower meadow.

523
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:26,420
and it was made possible through a donation from the Hall River Assembly in recognition of George

524
00:55:26,420 --> 00:55:30,720
Pauli's dedication to protecting Chattam County's natural environment.

525
00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:38,560
Additionally, with parts recreation and cultural resources, the Pope Barry Trail, construction

526
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,940
is underway and completion is expected by winner.

527
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:48,580
The Deep River Trail Feasibility Study, the RFQ was posted in March and requests for qualifications,

528
00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:52,880
the contractor was selected in negotiations or underway.

529
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,640
Kickoff is expected late summer early fall,

530
00:55:56,980 --> 00:55:58,320
so that should be coming up shortly.

531
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,400
And then the some additional stewardship work,

532
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,200
pollinator flowers were planted at the prior chapel

533
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,440
to provide habitat for those creatures that utilize

534
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,300
pollinator friendly flowers and other important species.

535
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:37,260
Additionally, park tax continue, continuous invasive species removal across multiple park parks and then all of the park tax participated in a six hours invasive species whack attack with NC State parks and friends of the lower hall on March 1726.

536
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:45,180
Um, and this work was done on the NC State Parks track property of the upstream of the 15501 Bridge.

537
00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:52,980
Um, some invasive species were moved from the NC DOT property that Parks and Recreation maintains.

538
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,120
And then my final department here, just giving additional updates, um,

539
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:06,160
for environmental health, the farm to early care and education program, this Spring Health Department

540
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:13,560
staff and Savannah Overman and Dorothy Rolly are implementing the farm to early care and education

541
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:21,040
program with eight Chattam County Child Care facilities and then through training technical

542
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:29,060
assistance. This program is designed to help individuals start growing vegetable gardens

543
00:57:29,060 --> 00:57:35,120
at their facilities, treating children where food comes from, and then encouraging them

544
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:40,660
to try additional healthy food. And moving forward, the health department will collaborate

545
00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:47,500
with extension staff to connect child care programs with additional local farms to purchase local

546
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:50,140
food for meal service to children.

547
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:55,240
Additionally, heat awareness week, so Chattam County

548
00:57:55,240 --> 00:58:00,880
Health Department recognized heat awareness week in May with the press release on steps to

549
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:07,600
stay cool, along with collaborating with Chattam Transit to offer free ride to free ride

550
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:14,340
to cooling centers. And as we all know, that summer heat definitely turned out to begin.

551
00:58:14,340 --> 00:58:17,740
So, um, with that, thank you all.

552
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:24,160
The next department that we have is the GIS department with their farmland prioritization

553
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,080
mapping tool.

554
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:31,000
This is a collaboration between the soil and water conservation district, GIS and the Triangle

555
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:31,940
and Conservancy.

556
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:37,620
This tool will assist in determining what land should be preserved under the farmland preservation

557
00:58:37,620 --> 00:58:41,180
program, and two models were created through this tool.

558
00:58:41,180 --> 00:58:46,080
The rural model will emphasize soil quality and clustering for conservation,

559
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,780
and the urban model will prioritize proximity to development in infrastructure.

560
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:58,240
The second update from GIS is that they've created a percent slow player. This is one goal

561
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:03,300
in the comprehensive plan under natural resources, specifically to improve, improve outreach

562
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:09,400
and access to environmental data. And slope is important because it helps us understand erosion rates,

563
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:15,200
water flow and habitat locations, and they place this under the Conservation Viewer on the GIS

564
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:15,640
website.

565
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:24,000
The third update for GIS is that they created a flood reporting tool. This was in collaboration

566
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:30,560
with the Managers Office Emergency Operations, Watershed Protection, Planning, and other departments.

567
00:59:31,260 --> 00:59:37,840
And this application is supposed to create a user-friendly way to let the county know if a citizen

568
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,800
is experiencing flooding or drainage concerns throughout the county. And the county is encouraging

569
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,620
residents to submit not only if there's a hurricane event, but you're around if there's other

570
00:59:48,620 --> 00:59:57,080
kinds of flooding. And in addition, the county is supporting having retroactive submittals. So

571
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,820
something happened five years ago, we also would like to know about that.

572
01:00:01,140 --> 01:00:15,500
All right, now on to the Planning Department's updates, the North Carolina Capital Area Metropolitan Planning Organization and C. Campo has completed a wildlife crossing study in their jurisdiction of the Cape Fear River basin.

573
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:28,160
And so this is important because it will identify roadway corridors in structures such as bridges, culverts, pipes, and it will intersect that with high wildlife vehicle crash rates.

574
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:38,480
This will help in the future determine mitigation opportunities for either future infrastructure projects or if there's a retrofitting project that needs to be completed.

575
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,060
And they are planning to present to you all in the fall, I believe in September or October.

576
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,220
And then the Move Chat and Story Map.

577
01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:51,680
Time, our transportation planner, has created a GIS story map.

578
01:00:51,740 --> 01:00:55,940
That houses all of the comments from phase one of the Move Chat and

579
01:00:55,940 --> 01:00:56,900
Multi-Lotal Survey.

580
01:00:57,260 --> 01:00:59,820
And this was actually a request from Commissioner Robertson.

581
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:01,700
You could ask if those comments were available.

582
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,360
So time made this great story map.

583
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,640
That has all those comments.

584
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,760
And I'll actually click on it in a second so we can view it.

585
01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:11,980
It's currently on the Planning Department's transportation page.

586
01:01:11,980 --> 01:01:15,840
and it also will be in our conservation dashboard which I'll talk about in a second.

587
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:19,700
Hopefully it works.

588
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:31,680
So this is a story map. It has a little bit of information and

589
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:37,960
them who to contact if you have any questions. And so Tan has broken it down into three themes,

590
01:01:38,340 --> 01:01:44,800
bicycle and pedestrian, public transit projects, and then destinations of interest. So essentially

591
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:50,660
you'll scroll down and it's divided by information on the left with a map on the right.

592
01:01:50,660 --> 01:01:58,800
And you can either click on the map itself and it will pop up that comment or you can scroll on the left and find the comment.

593
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:06,680
And these are about mostly about safety, so safe bike route needed along NC 87 for rural access.

594
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:12,660
And then all scroll down to the public transit projects, actually a lot of those.

595
01:02:12,660 --> 01:02:18,920
For public transit, sometimes the comments are combined, so this one has, I believe, four

596
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,800
comments were combined that transit rights your needs are needed in siler city,

597
01:02:26,890 --> 01:02:27,330
and then

598
01:02:27,330 --> 01:02:32,790
the final theme is destinations of interest, so this could be the Ag Center, the Community

599
01:02:32,790 --> 01:02:38,490
College, there was one about little sweet potatoes daycare, which we thought was kind

600
01:02:38,490 --> 01:02:42,370
of fun, they said they needed a bite to school path, so.

601
01:02:42,370 --> 01:02:49,410
So that's a story map. I think it's really great. It's available to the public, so I encourage you all to view it.

602
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:49,910
Yeah.

603
01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:53,190
All right.

604
01:03:05,230 --> 01:03:08,370
Our final update is about the conservation dashboard.

605
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:16,590
So if you all recall, this is a two phase initiative by the planning department to essentially locate all of the conservation

606
01:03:16,590 --> 01:03:23,410
based goals of our comprehensive plan and assign a metric to them and that will help us

607
01:03:23,410 --> 01:03:30,450
understand and measure our progress of what have we completed since 2017. So as I said this was a

608
01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:35,550
project started by the planning department but it was also in collaboration with North Carolina

609
01:03:35,550 --> 01:03:41,990
while life resources commissioned through their Greek growth toolbox grant and then also CWG was

610
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:44,570
instrumental in this project for locating data.

611
01:03:45,930 --> 01:03:50,990
And as I said, this marks the completion of phase one of the two phase initiative.

612
01:03:51,810 --> 01:03:57,670
Phase two will be using the dashboard's findings to identify what objectives we have not completed.

613
01:03:58,630 --> 01:04:04,270
And then it will develop a detailed implementation plan about what our next steps are.

614
01:04:04,550 --> 01:04:10,710
And it's located in three areas of the website, two of the planning page, one on our conservation page,

615
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:16,270
one on our main page and then there's also a link on the county's information hub and I'm also

616
01:04:16,270 --> 01:04:23,070
just going to scroll through that with you all so you know what it looks like. So this is the main

617
01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:30,230
page to have county conservation dashboard. If you scroll there's some information a welcome page

618
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:37,190
and then kind of a three step framework about how to use the site one explore plan elements which

619
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:43,130
below this, there's 10-plan elements. I'll go through in a second to view the metrics. The metrics

620
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:49,470
were either divided between quantitative or qualitative, so either a yes-no answer from a director

621
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:08,140
And then, thirdly, this is a living document, so I'll be updating it every six months, so there will be updates regularly. So check back in.

622
01:05:08,420 --> 01:05:21,740
And then if anybody has questions, there's three tabs at the top about what the dashboard is, what plan Tatum is, if somebody doesn't know what that is. And then also questions and resources, and how to reach out to me.

623
01:05:23,660 --> 01:05:30,560
Since we have a new commissioner, is there anyone that can speak to sort of the history of how this came to be?

624
01:05:30,980 --> 01:05:36,360
And there initially was, I think, about $25,000 worth of funding to create it.

625
01:05:36,540 --> 01:05:41,600
But can you give any of those details, Brian, or how long this has been in the works?

626
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:47,200
Because this was something that commissioners asked for a while back.

627
01:05:47,380 --> 01:05:50,240
Sure. The dashboard or the conservation work in group self?

628
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:51,740
I was thinking the dashboard.

629
01:05:51,740 --> 01:05:52,240
Okay.

630
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,560
I'll turn it to more people hand in.

631
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:55,940
Okay.

632
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,600
I can speak a little bit about it.

633
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:58,560
I've only been here a year.

634
01:05:58,760 --> 01:05:58,900
Right.

635
01:05:58,980 --> 01:05:59,420
I don't know.

636
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:00,120
All of the story.

637
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,720
But this has been a long time coming.

638
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:04,560
The comprehensive plan was created in 2017.

639
01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:12,400
So I believe in the early 2020s of planning department determined that, you know, we actually don't know how many of these goals that we've completed.

640
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,820
We need something to tell us where we are and then where we're going.

641
01:06:15,820 --> 01:06:25,760
So this was, as I said, a two-phase project and a consultant was originally hired to do this project and that didn't work out, so now the planning department has completed it.

642
01:06:25,860 --> 01:06:32,980
So it's taken a few years and it's been a long time coming, but I think it'll be very helpful as we complete step two.

643
01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:35,400
And let me know if you have any questions.

644
01:06:37,460 --> 01:06:42,520
Okay, so now is kind of the meat of the project, so there's 10 plan elements, they're all here.

645
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:46,280
You can click on them, I'll click on, click on resiliency.

646
01:06:48,020 --> 01:06:54,240
So, each plan element has its own webpage, you scroll down, there's some information about all of this.

647
01:06:54,240 --> 01:07:02,880
There's a table of contents, so if you know exactly what recommendation or policy you're looking for, you can just click on it and it will follow you down there.

648
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:14,200
There's also a legend explaining if the metric is either qualitative or quantitative, kind of to help people with pictures instead of just a lot of text.

649
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:27,240
And so it's kind of broken down each plan element in plan chatem has a big idea and then there are a few recommendations and then there are further policies underneath the big idea and the recommendation.

650
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:36,820
And so for the big idea of resiliency is to become a carbon-negative county, the metric we chose for that was the greenhouse gas inventory.

651
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:44,120
And we have a dashboard about that if it will load hopefully. Yes, so we've assigned that metric.

652
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:54,500
I will say for the resiliency, a lot of it, a lot of it has been completed, but the climate action plan is going to be very helpful for the resiliency of a plan shadow.

653
01:07:54,500 --> 01:08:06,100
A second example of metric is a qualitative metric, so the recommendation is prepare for and respond to acute natural events and made emergencies.

654
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:13,980
Through collaboration and discussion with the CWG, we determined that yes, the county is working towards mitigation.

655
01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:16,500
There are several things we're doing.

656
01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:22,100
the greenhouse gas inventory participating in the key for regional hazard mitigation strategy,

657
01:08:22,140 --> 01:08:27,460
developing a climate action plan, completing a heat action plan, et cetera, et cetera.

658
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:34,080
So that is just kind of an overview of this. I encourage you all to look through it if you

659
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,380
have any questions, please reach out to me.

660
01:08:38,500 --> 01:08:43,260
And that's it for our presentation. If you all have any

661
01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:50,940
questions. Let me know. I don't have any questions, but this is so helpful because I think

662
01:08:50,940 --> 01:08:57,060
that we know we're working on stuff, right? But if we were to go back and try to pinpoint

663
01:08:57,060 --> 01:09:03,460
what are all the things that we did under this particular commissioner goal, there was no real

664
01:09:03,460 --> 01:09:09,500
way of tying them all or tracking them. So I don't intend to memorize it all, but it's really

665
01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:14,260
good to know that it's available, particularly when there is an issue that a missioner is

666
01:09:14,260 --> 01:09:18,780
especially interested in, to be able to go back and see where do we start, what have we been

667
01:09:18,780 --> 01:09:24,620
doing, where are we going, so that one constituents talk about it, we can answer in a meaningful way.

668
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,100
Yeah, I know. One thing I found helpful, I do kind of know the dashboard like the back of my

669
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:34,120
hands, so I don't need this anymore, but if you're looking for a certain phrase, you can

670
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:38,600
command F, like trying to find it in here. It's kind of, it's helpful, it's almost like an

671
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,400
like this is all of the thing we've done as a county.

672
01:09:42,380 --> 01:09:43,820
So I will try that.

673
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:11,080
I also wanted to say thank you because when I first started, I really wanted to be able to find out what initiatives we were doing and it felt like I had to go to a lot of different places.

674
01:10:11,980 --> 01:10:21,580
So this in combination with our information hub, I think is a great way for people to know what our commitments are, what we're doing, like Commissioner Howard said.

675
01:10:21,580 --> 01:10:24,260
And because as I'm sure you all know,

676
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,100
people are more likely to tell you

677
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:31,080
when they have concerns than congratulate you.

678
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,880
So it's great to have this resource.

679
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,060
I'm really enjoying hearing about it.

680
01:10:36,340 --> 01:10:38,580
And then one of my questions was,

681
01:10:38,900 --> 01:10:40,900
I did want to have a little more understanding

682
01:10:40,900 --> 01:10:44,460
on for our board of how often does the conservation

683
01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:45,920
working group meet?

684
01:10:46,620 --> 01:10:50,140
And so in what ways, because I think one of the unique things

685
01:10:50,140 --> 01:10:52,840
about it is that it encompasses all the departments

686
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,820
of our county or key ones, maybe not all of them.

687
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,320
And so I like that, like that,

688
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,740
there's a lot of communication on a county level,

689
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:09,580
but how does that work towards just the organization

690
01:11:09,580 --> 01:11:14,760
of focusing on major goals or accomplishing goals

691
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,740
within those key groups?

692
01:11:17,700 --> 01:11:23,080
Yeah, I would say the main focus that we have are completing the goals outlined in plan

693
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:27,540
chat and so that's kind of our guiding force and the dashboard was a very helpful

694
01:11:27,540 --> 01:11:28,140
exercise.

695
01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:30,600
I met with, I mean, I run the CWD.

696
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:31,620
So I met with them.

697
01:11:31,620 --> 01:11:36,460
I would say five or so times and it was like two hour meetings every time to go through

698
01:11:36,460 --> 01:11:42,420
this dashboard and just to hone all of their experience that they had into this one document.

699
01:11:42,420 --> 01:11:50,440
So it really helped us as a team understand where we are, and because of that, we now know where we are and what we have completed.

700
01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:59,520
We now, as departments can determine, okay, goal 5.4 under resiliency hasn't been completed.

701
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,900
Kevin, like, what are you doing under the climate action plan?

702
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,900
Like, there is, is there some way we can incorporate that goal in the climate action plan?

703
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:12,400
It kind of just helps us assign names and tasks to projects that we want to do.

704
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:19,180
the future. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Just one quick thing. I'm just wondering how often people go in and update

705
01:12:19,180 --> 01:12:24,160
this content because, you know, the website is only in the integrity of it and information

706
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:29,240
hub and everything. Do we have a means to maybe this is a run and questions? There's a lot of pages

707
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:36,500
that things that you've created and and then we don't know when was the last updated and I think I

708
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:41,560
wonder is there a way that we make that visible to public when they go there and see that? Yeah,

709
01:12:41,560 --> 01:13:05,400
So, at least for the information hub and I'll let Aaron speak to the conservation, the conservation hub, but for the information of there are several different types of applications and those sorts of things that we use, some that are updated by partners, by the state, others, and then others that we update manually, every quarterly or those sorts of things.

710
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:12,060
So we have a tracking spreadsheet within our office that CityChic our intern made that helps us

711
01:13:12,060 --> 01:13:18,560
to understand when different data sets come out because we utilize a lot of federal and state

712
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:26,320
data sets to report and then also others that are county data sets such as our well view

713
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:33,940
or in those sorts of things that are updated very often by our environmental health team as well

714
01:13:33,940 --> 01:13:40,580
GIS. So we've got a pretty big mixed bag of types of applications that we utilize within the

715
01:13:40,580 --> 01:13:49,800
information hub. So the answer is all of the time, the sort of, so we do that work internally

716
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:55,420
to make sure that it stays up to date in those sorts of things. Fairly. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you.

717
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:02,440
Yeah. And I'll say for the dashboard, I note that I updated twice a year, but I can say what

718
01:14:02,440 --> 01:14:06,760
you know, updated January 2027, you know, I can up here in the comments.

719
01:14:07,060 --> 01:14:10,900
Yeah, I think it would be nice when we can, if it's not a huge owner or a thing to do,

720
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:15,060
to just put on the site, I've seen sometimes this was last updated on such and such,

721
01:14:15,060 --> 01:14:19,680
so that people going there know, you know, yeah. Yeah, sure, we can do that.

722
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,420
Something like that might be useful for us. Awesome. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

723
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:30,560
This was great. All right. Next app is item 2, 6, 0, 4, 5, 7,

724
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:36,180
Discuss legislative goals and adopt a resolution supporting a fiscalist of goals to be submitted

725
01:14:36,180 --> 01:14:40,700
to the NC Association of County Commissioners for 2027 and 2028.

726
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:45,940
By annual, presenting this will be our Intergovernmental Relations Manager, Lindsay Ray.

727
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:47,400
Just give me one more.

728
01:14:54,430 --> 01:14:59,530
Okay, so I wanted to start off by to say a couple of things.

729
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,700
11 goals that I got them down to. I think it is fine to submit more than one. But that tells me that they're trying to get folks to narrow things down a little bit.

730
01:15:08,980 --> 01:15:13,200
That it might be getting a little overwhelming if everybody submitting, you know, 25 goals.

731
01:15:13,820 --> 01:15:24,320
So I just wanted to throw that out there. And then commissioner commissioner is I did talk to a couple of folks about federal goals and they said that really the federal goals stem from the stakeholders.

732
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:29,300
So for example, they've been advocating to delay implementation

733
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:33,660
of the SNAP benefit cost share because counties just don't,

734
01:15:33,660 --> 01:15:35,160
or trying to figure out how to do that.

735
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,260
So that directly relates to a county's funding

736
01:15:39,260 --> 01:15:41,320
and authority over issues.

737
01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:44,100
So the immigration one might be a difficult one,

738
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,420
but it's not with you keep talking about it.

739
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:52,800
So I tried to get one from every steering committee

740
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:59,240
category and a couple of them have multiple. So I don't know if you all took a look at the list,

741
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,860
if you have things you, and I try to make sure you each have a goal represented.

742
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:11,840
The first is the Farmline Preservation, which is a top five goal of the association. So I think it's

743
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:16,730
good to keep that one on there. The next one, Chrisate Funding Board is asked for mitigation and

744
01:16:16,730 --> 01:16:23,790
preparedness. I know that is also one that probably multiple counties will submit. And the next one,

745
01:16:23,790 --> 01:16:28,890
I actually thought, maybe should be two goals. It is about water quality, but it's also about

746
01:16:28,890 --> 01:16:34,050
the chemicals and the cleanup of those chemicals. So if you want it to be two goals, I can split

747
01:16:34,050 --> 01:16:40,310
those out, or if you want to try to meet a consolidated down a little bit, I can't. I'll start with

748
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:42,650
just those first three, see what you all think.

749
01:16:44,980 --> 01:16:48,540
And so are we, you said you are ready submitted?

750
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,600
No, you will adopt a resolution of file

751
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:53,580
and then I'll submit them tomorrow.

752
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,620
Okay, and do we need to eliminate one?

753
01:16:55,820 --> 01:16:57,860
So you just do two forms.

754
01:16:58,340 --> 01:16:58,780
Okay, so yeah.

755
01:17:01,850 --> 01:17:06,200
Okay, what do you recommend on the one

756
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,840
that's talking about the contaminants in the water?

757
01:17:09,100 --> 01:17:11,360
Do you think we've got a better chance of getting that

758
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:12,900
to go through if it's combined?

759
01:17:14,260 --> 01:17:20,760
I think there will be goals that separate, other people will have separated some of these out.

760
01:17:21,620 --> 01:17:42,860
And I think the PFAS is a, I mean, the chemicals is one that many counties are facing, so that is probably going to be a separate goal then just water quality preventative, you know,

761
01:17:46,290 --> 01:17:47,750
I'm fine keeping that one together.

762
01:17:47,930 --> 01:17:49,990
I think it's really an important piece of that

763
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:54,230
is the part that holds companies responsible for the chemicals

764
01:17:54,230 --> 01:17:56,590
that they're putting in our water.

765
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:59,870
And it may go through easier if they're tied together.

766
01:17:59,990 --> 01:18:01,090
It certainly would make it visible.

767
01:18:01,290 --> 01:18:02,330
I think it's the opposite.

768
01:18:02,330 --> 01:18:03,550
Either if it's opposite.

769
01:18:03,730 --> 01:18:03,870
Yeah.

770
01:18:03,870 --> 01:18:04,430
Do you think it doesn't?

771
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:05,030
Mm-hmm.

772
01:18:05,210 --> 01:18:06,430
Well, then let's separate it.

773
01:18:06,450 --> 01:18:06,710
OK.

774
01:18:06,850 --> 01:18:08,510
I'd like to definitely get that to go through.

775
01:18:10,510 --> 01:18:13,450
And then the general government prohibiting downson.

776
01:18:13,450 --> 01:18:15,350
And we know that it's going to be a priority

777
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:19,490
for the Association, a post-legislation for the

778
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:20,850
strips, the authority of the Global Government.

779
01:18:21,150 --> 01:18:25,130
That's just a catch all, but very common one that we have to do all the time.

780
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:29,570
Healthy human services, remove cost share, penalty for counties for

781
01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:33,410
SNAP errors, that will be probably a top five priority I would imagine.

782
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:35,970
Health and Human Services increase recurring

783
01:18:35,970 --> 01:18:38,130
state funding for mental health services and regional

784
01:18:38,130 --> 01:18:40,390
behavioral health facilities.

785
01:18:42,590 --> 01:18:45,030
Another healthy human services supplemental funding to advance

786
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:50,110
support of a high quality learning opportunities that support and expansion of early childhood workforce

787
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:58,230
public education return to allocating the initial 35% of library profits to public education

788
01:18:59,670 --> 01:19:04,750
and that was the most of the list. There was another one wasn't there. Yeah, if I must be a page two

789
01:19:04,750 --> 01:19:10,490
um yeah, we're start funding that don't divert and see traditional public schools into the

790
01:19:10,490 --> 01:19:19,950
there's this one. Here we go. And then the tax flexibility for generated revenue for operations,

791
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:27,070
when they are talking about constricting your ability to collect property taxes. Yeah, so we're not

792
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,460
Good likelihood of success in being a legislative goal for the association.

793
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:12,040
Yes. But I also think some of these are going to or not going to go anywhere with our general assembly.

794
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,200
But we're not concerning ourselves with that second bullet point.

795
01:20:15,460 --> 01:20:16,060
You know, right?

796
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:25,420
No. But I would say that's really a separate kind of a separate process that we should be doing all the time is making sure that we're not.

797
01:20:25,420 --> 01:20:34,240
And I will say we didn't send things, I would not send goals just because they might not

798
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:35,480
get taken up by the general assembly.

799
01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:38,660
I think they're still good goals for the association to have.

800
01:20:39,660 --> 01:20:39,900
Is that me?

801
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:40,660
Yeah.

802
01:20:41,340 --> 01:20:44,120
I feel good about all of these.

803
01:20:44,820 --> 01:20:48,880
I feel good enough about all of these to advance them.

804
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,140
Is that what you're looking for, I'm not afraid of.

805
01:20:52,340 --> 01:20:55,400
If you're okay, but if you have additional goals, I want to make sure that you're not

806
01:20:55,400 --> 01:21:03,860
we throw that out there to you. This seems good to me. I'm fine with this. I think somebody

807
01:21:03,860 --> 01:21:10,320
wants that I shared before. It was some of the more challenging to include in the structure

808
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:18,420
that we're looking to do. So, keep those on our local, yes, we can see it. Just because it's not

809
01:21:18,420 --> 01:21:21,660
part of this process doesn't mean it can't be one of your own goals now.

810
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:25,170
Can you remind us

811
01:21:25,170 --> 01:21:35,410
So when the NCAACC gets all these goals from the counties, and then they have a meeting where

812
01:21:35,410 --> 01:21:40,670
we go through the goals process, what part of the year is that?

813
01:21:41,190 --> 01:21:42,770
And I know for sure Howard knows about that.

814
01:21:42,770 --> 01:21:47,850
These have to be submitted by August 27th, and then in September they'll start holding

815
01:21:48,410 --> 01:21:53,030
steering committee meetings, and all the steering committees will meet to talk about just

816
01:21:53,030 --> 01:22:00,430
goals in their category. And then from there, they whittled that list down. And then it goes to

817
01:22:00,430 --> 01:22:06,150
the legislative goals committee. That conference is in November, November 19th and 20th and

818
01:22:06,150 --> 01:22:13,130
Raleigh. And then you're voting delegate for the county votes on those goals for the final

819
01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:19,410
in CAC. In November. In November. Yeah, okay. I remember it was winter and I just wanted to think about

820
01:22:19,410 --> 01:22:26,010
that they're ready for the January sessions, but it's okay. Thank you. So we need to work to have

821
01:22:26,010 --> 01:22:30,110
other commissioners on this board serve on some of those committees since they're the ones

822
01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:35,810
that decide on this. I would encourage all of you to have a question. Yes, at least one. I

823
01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:40,550
tried to attend all of them so that if they have questions, I can answer, give some background,

824
01:22:41,670 --> 01:22:47,210
but I would encourage you not to all be on the same one. There might be one that you are all interested

825
01:22:47,210 --> 01:22:51,510
but definitely try to divide up a little bit.

826
01:22:52,170 --> 01:22:54,350
I don't think he has to be on every single one of them,

827
01:22:54,690 --> 01:22:56,510
but if there's one that interests you, then.

828
01:22:56,730 --> 01:22:58,810
Can you go up to the first page, please?

829
01:22:59,230 --> 01:23:01,130
And I think, you know, for us to be thinking,

830
01:23:01,210 --> 01:23:04,110
it would be really helpful if there is a commissioner in each room

831
01:23:04,110 --> 01:23:07,930
who can even, if it looks like they're not minded

832
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:12,110
to adopt our goal, if there is language that we can get in

833
01:23:12,110 --> 01:23:16,250
or help with the language of the adopted goal

834
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:20,230
so that it more closely aligns with what we're trying to get to,

835
01:23:20,610 --> 01:23:21,830
that's very helpful, right?

836
01:23:21,950 --> 01:23:25,810
I mean, there's a hundred-ball, maybe not a hundred in each room,

837
01:23:26,050 --> 01:23:27,510
but there are a lot of commissioners

838
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:30,150
who have very different perspectives than we do,

839
01:23:30,530 --> 01:23:34,390
but oftentimes you're able to tweak the goal,

840
01:23:34,610 --> 01:23:37,290
the language of the goal, particularly if you can show

841
01:23:37,290 --> 01:23:42,370
that it will make it more broadly applicable to counties.

842
01:23:42,370 --> 01:23:48,870
So in the last process, I would say there were probably five goals that the board submitted

843
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:56,070
that were not, did not show up in their original form, but they were tweaked to work with another

844
01:23:56,070 --> 01:24:01,590
goal. So you were represented well in that process, but that's what happens in the steering

845
01:24:01,590 --> 01:24:05,650
committees. They might look at two goals and say, well, these are kind of similar. Do we,

846
01:24:05,690 --> 01:24:10,770
is that too specific? Do we need it more broad? You know, so there's a lot of discussion about it.

847
01:24:10,770 --> 01:24:11,910
Thank you, Mr. Gomez, where are you seeing?

848
01:24:12,910 --> 01:24:15,910
My, I was going to request me to go to that page too.

849
01:24:16,490 --> 01:24:27,890
I was curious, would it be feasible, I don't know how in a related may be, but on the public education, both have to deal with money, would it be

850
01:24:27,890 --> 01:24:37,770
of interest to the board of maybe combining those two and using a list to kind of just say 35% initial, you know,

851
01:24:37,770 --> 01:24:45,550
lottery allocations to public schools, and then the voucher, like just one go over two examples.

852
01:24:46,750 --> 01:24:49,690
And if that's what the board, I think it's back to which is more effective.

853
01:24:50,010 --> 01:24:54,030
Like like the one on the environment that I was asking about the contaminants that

854
01:24:54,030 --> 01:24:59,970
I do want the industries to be responsible for the cleanup and mitigation efforts instead of like...

855
01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:08,260
You know, how do you look at that? And I think whichever is the best way, and I'm still very new at thinking about this. So I defer.

856
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:18,980
I think what he's trying to say is we've got 11 items. You got to submit five. If you're going to do two documents, you need to combine one, two documents, instead of three.

857
01:25:18,980 --> 01:25:26,500
So you're they can combining the two public education right just so we submit to and given that they both speak about money

858
01:25:26,500 --> 01:25:33,900
Increasing money to education using both I guess the two different goals that's kind of like examples like two different bullet to list as

859
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:45,820
That but I think that's why I asked at the beginning does she need us to remove one and she said she doesn't that she just wants to know do we approve of these legislative goals and then

860
01:25:45,820 --> 01:25:50,720
And Lindsey's familiar with what will, you know, the submission process.

861
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,560
I don't think we need to manage her submission process.

862
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:58,540
I would keep them, sorry, recommendation, we need to keep them separate because their

863
01:25:58,540 --> 01:26:01,860
will definitely be goals on lottery funds.

864
01:26:02,380 --> 01:26:04,540
That is something that shows up every year.

865
01:26:04,820 --> 01:26:10,240
I don't know that the voucher system is going to show up as much from individual counties.

866
01:26:11,340 --> 01:26:13,300
So I think maybe separate.

867
01:26:13,300 --> 01:26:18,340
Can you clarify that understanding then about having to limit to five or you able to submit all of these things?

868
01:26:18,940 --> 01:26:21,400
I can submit five and then

869
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,180
I can submit five again. Yeah.

870
01:26:23,380 --> 01:26:23,780
Okay.

871
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,280
So we're not limited.

872
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,480
And other counties have already done this. So we won't be the only one to do it.

873
01:26:28,580 --> 01:26:28,740
Okay.

874
01:26:29,380 --> 01:26:32,180
I don't just cause all kinds of hairiness for them to figure all of it out.

875
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:35,540
But they'll get your resolution, which we'll have a complete list.

876
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,320
How many committees are there?

877
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:39,620
Um, there is a next.

878
01:26:39,620 --> 01:26:42,740
Finance, public education, health services,

879
01:26:42,980 --> 01:26:45,680
general government environment, agriculture, and just as

880
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:46,500
in public safety.

881
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:47,860
Okay, seven, seven,

882
01:26:50,180 --> 01:26:50,620
thank you, Lindsay.

883
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,800
So I just need a motion to adopt the resolution.

884
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:54,880
So moved.

885
01:26:55,500 --> 01:26:56,040
A second.

886
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:57,020
All in favor?

887
01:26:57,540 --> 01:26:57,820
All right.

888
01:26:57,860 --> 01:26:58,460
Thank you.

889
01:26:58,480 --> 01:26:59,020
Thank you.

890
01:26:59,020 --> 01:26:59,720
Thank you, Lindsay.

891
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:02,480
All right.

892
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,220
Next up today is my two, six, zero, four, three, nine.

893
01:27:07,220 --> 01:27:10,000
Receiver presentation on the American Rescue Plan Act funds.

894
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:15,360
Quarterly updates assistant budget director will curve and we'll present this item.

895
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:16,920
Did that for new commissioners?

896
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:18,220
Well, we can see you.

897
01:27:18,820 --> 01:27:21,600
All right, so our quarterly update.

898
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:26,000
This is for the quarter ending of June 2026.

899
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,680
So the last quarter in F like 26.

900
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,320
We are halfway through our final year of our performance.

901
01:27:33,340 --> 01:27:34,840
And it's looking pretty good.

902
01:27:35,180 --> 01:27:35,700
I think.

903
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,100
But review of last our quarterly update and also kind of looking ahead.

904
01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:43,840
I talked about this during the budget process, but we are in our family year with the

905
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:49,240
special deadline of December 31, 2026 for our Shreight ARPA funds and our

906
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:53,600
enabled funds don't share this deadline and in FY27 we do have some budget

907
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:58,840
impacts from ARPA funding ending. Some of those are funded positions, which are

908
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,540
five FTE across housing and diversion programs. They'll be picked up by the

909
01:28:02,540 --> 01:28:06,680
general fund. The emergency housing assistance program or EHAP program

910
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,800
across is adored by the Housing Trust fund.

911
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:14,440
The CEPR-C, our outreach coordinator contract will also be picked up by the Housing

912
01:28:14,440 --> 01:28:19,680
Department and continue to early childhood program support where a portion of the total

913
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:28,140
contract that is $7,99, $1.00, half of that is ARPA enabled the rest is jar of fund.

914
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:34,460
But looking just at our Shray ARPA projects, I think the biggest thing to note here is that

915
01:28:34,460 --> 01:28:40,100
the Chitophany schools has completed all of their ARPA funded work of the school gym

916
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:46,900
museums project insulation, insulation improvements in gyms without HVAC systems.

917
01:28:47,500 --> 01:28:48,260
So that's huge.

918
01:28:48,940 --> 01:28:53,320
That's, if you remember earlier on in the year, updates were pretty slow, wasn't much

919
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:57,260
spending, of course summer, nobody's in school, they can go and do all this stuff.

920
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:02,980
Yeah, so that was, that made me happy, made my week, there is another million dollars in

921
01:29:02,980 --> 01:29:08,020
CIP, the Capitors, to continue this project, to finish it out across those schools, finished

922
01:29:08,020 --> 01:29:09,100
at the project.

923
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,220
The projects that are bolded there are ones that have a little bit of spending left.

924
01:29:14,060 --> 01:29:18,640
So those are the three of them, the Hydrant Repair Project, Housing Division Physicians

925
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:24,680
and the Bergen Program positions, those positions I anticipate spending through that grant

926
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,540
budget for the positions, probably in the next quarter.

927
01:29:27,540 --> 01:29:32,280
I think we've extended that contract into September.

928
01:29:33,020 --> 01:29:35,360
They've completed the initial 60 hydrants they're supposed to do.

929
01:29:35,660 --> 01:29:36,800
Now they're working on a few more.

930
01:30:00,820 --> 01:30:15,840
So, they should be inching closer to about 726,000. If not, we can take some of that budget in the grant, move it to positions, spend it down, don't spend anything back to Treasury. This kind of my thinking, use it all.

931
01:30:16,060 --> 01:30:21,540
And so you're saying they have completed all the ones that were on the list and then you found some additional ones.

932
01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:26,100
Yeah, they came in wearing the budget in the bit and then also with the work, which I'm always

933
01:30:26,100 --> 01:30:31,940
happy with, but I'm also on them this month, you know, what's something back. But we're on a good

934
01:30:31,940 --> 01:30:36,640
kind of trajectory towards your end, or at least counter your end with that expensive dye line hits.

935
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:42,020
Now, looking at some art project updates for that straight art befunding,

936
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:49,180
talked about two of these two before. And we'll also hear these coming up with a CIP process for the

937
01:30:49,700 --> 01:30:53,080
FY208 to 34 CIP, which is crazy to think about.

938
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:58,340
That seems far away, it's not that far, but I'll give a more deeper look into

939
01:30:58,340 --> 01:31:03,440
ASPEC project, a little hydropower project, but again with that HFAC, the Board of Education

940
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:08,120
approved contracts in September of last year, and now almost less than a year later, if

941
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,020
they've spent $100,000, they'll only $2 million, which is wonderful.

942
01:31:11,660 --> 01:31:17,340
And again, the capers are funding according to our currently adopted CIP as an additional $1 million,

943
01:31:17,340 --> 01:31:20,780
to $85,000 for that project to continue on.

944
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:27,080
For our penable projects, the DSS,

945
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:28,680
I mean, now really housing departments,

946
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:34,160
e-hat program has spent close to $65,000.

947
01:31:34,540 --> 01:31:38,180
$660,000 on participants in the past three years,

948
01:31:38,380 --> 01:31:40,000
since the product says the program has started.

949
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:42,380
It went for me to use it in straight art of funds,

950
01:31:42,380 --> 01:31:44,460
so federal funds, to our penable funds

951
01:31:44,460 --> 01:31:45,400
to the revenue replacement,

952
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,940
and now moving into housing trust fund,

953
01:31:47,940 --> 01:31:56,220
or locally assumed dollars are funding in. And I believe that's also about 390 applications

954
01:31:56,220 --> 01:32:01,700
I've been a proof of that program as of a May.

955
01:32:04,590 --> 01:32:06,290
For early childhood programs of ports,

956
01:32:06,610 --> 01:32:10,050
again, as I said, the first half of that contract was paid to China credit cards for children

957
01:32:10,050 --> 01:32:15,590
about $39,000. This used ARPA enabled and then the kind of ARPA adjacent funding room,

958
01:32:15,590 --> 01:32:21,710
see the LATCF funding about $124,000 there will be coming back in September to talk more about

959
01:32:21,710 --> 01:32:27,530
EAP about that second tranche of their contract to get that $799,000 amount and I'll

960
01:32:27,530 --> 01:32:34,290
also talk give a bigger update about how that program is going. So looking just that expenses

961
01:32:34,290 --> 01:32:40,690
between in the last quarter, a big quarter of spending for Stratarpa again always with the

962
01:32:40,690 --> 01:32:48,550
Now, continually spending hydrant pair of 32,000 that work picking back up again in the HVAC project spending 823,000.

963
01:32:49,210 --> 01:32:53,110
For our panel enabled, we have a few member way back in the day of the CAD program match.

964
01:32:53,290 --> 01:32:57,290
That's the second round of CAD by from a thousand missing out to NCDIT for that project.

965
01:32:58,110 --> 01:32:59,820
For EAP, about 59,000.

966
01:33:00,770 --> 01:33:02,310
It's a little bit lower for usually for that program.

967
01:33:02,610 --> 01:33:03,950
A little bit higher most quarters.

968
01:33:04,330 --> 01:33:04,930
It's a little bit lower.

969
01:33:04,930 --> 01:33:12,030
And then Park is rich park, now they're out of the design and during phase and construction phase spending has progressed quite quickly.

970
01:33:12,290 --> 01:33:13,950
And again, you'll remember about this in CIP.

971
01:33:14,710 --> 01:33:16,830
So internally, we start this week.

972
01:33:18,590 --> 01:33:25,250
And then looking at all our projects at once for Strait Arpa and Arpa enabled on the Strait Arpa side.

973
01:33:25,390 --> 01:33:30,830
There's just those three projects. We've left to spend on the Hydra Prayer project and housing and diversion positions.

974
01:33:30,830 --> 01:33:37,690
And then for our pin able, there's four, one of which is Park is Ridge Park, again, they're working on spending that down.

975
01:33:38,270 --> 01:33:41,930
The attention covenant team facility modifications, building out that shell space in the jail.

976
01:33:42,930 --> 01:33:46,030
There's also the early childhood programs support, so last little bit.

977
01:33:46,330 --> 01:33:48,770
Before the journal fund picks up that contract costs.

978
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:51,770
And then the last one is the great grant match.

979
01:33:52,170 --> 01:33:54,270
We're waiting on some more card support from folks.

980
01:33:55,070 --> 01:33:58,490
But we are projected to spend everything we receive from Treasury.

981
01:33:58,490 --> 01:34:03,450
I'm hoping not sending anything back, but I will let you know if anything changes.

982
01:34:04,030 --> 01:34:05,050
No, no, don't do that.

983
01:34:05,050 --> 01:34:06,310
Yeah. Well, let you know, some need to write.

984
01:34:07,950 --> 01:34:12,030
But thank you. That is all I have for this quarterly update.

985
01:34:14,110 --> 01:34:22,990
Well, just a general question. So once the straight ARPA funds are expanded, will you still report to us on ARPA enabled?

986
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:26,990
I think that is up to the board.

987
01:34:26,990 --> 01:34:28,870
I mean, I would be happy to still before quarterly.

988
01:34:29,670 --> 01:34:33,130
If something that is more semi-annually, that's okay as well.

989
01:34:34,130 --> 01:34:35,030
I think I'm going to show this to Brian.

990
01:34:35,230 --> 01:34:37,650
I don't know if we're still working out through a treat,

991
01:34:37,810 --> 01:34:40,490
but I would love to at the retreat, bring back a bigger presentation

992
01:34:40,490 --> 01:34:43,110
and talk about some of the impacts of these upper projects.

993
01:34:43,290 --> 01:34:45,230
Oh, that would be going to involve all the projects once.

994
01:34:45,930 --> 01:34:47,930
And the timing wise, maybe retreat, maybe afterwards,

995
01:34:48,130 --> 01:34:50,310
it'll work session, but when there's a little more time.

996
01:34:50,450 --> 01:34:51,910
Yeah, that sounds really good.

997
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:53,410
I got one question.

998
01:34:53,410 --> 01:34:59,970
and how many positions are in the housing division and diversion programs and when do they become counted?

999
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:17,560
So, there are three housing positions, including the director, and then there are two diversion program positions. Right now, I think, based on the individual positions in the grant budgets, some will become, well, some will get picked up by the journal fund, a little bit quicker than others.

1000
01:35:18,380 --> 01:35:26,620
However, in FY27, we have planned to pay for one housing position out of the housing trust fund to help protect the journal fund a bit. So, with some of that built up on balance they have.

1001
01:35:26,620 --> 01:35:30,540
You just say exactly what you said again, I appreciate more than that.

1002
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:35,160
So, to give you the answer, I would assume that by the end of this next quarter ending

1003
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,580
of September, that this journal will general fund will pick up most of those positions.

1004
01:35:39,480 --> 01:35:43,780
However, one has in position we are budgeting for in the housing trust fund to help save some

1005
01:35:43,780 --> 01:35:45,280
costs when the journal fund.

1006
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:49,960
In the total positions of $3 is $890,000.

1007
01:35:50,500 --> 01:35:53,780
Yeah, this has been since, gosh, the 420 first.

1008
01:35:53,780 --> 01:35:56,200
That's not one year, that's the total amount sent.

1009
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:00,500
So that just, people aren't getting paid to under $1,000 of a piece.

1010
01:36:00,820 --> 01:36:02,540
Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you.

1011
01:36:06,050 --> 01:36:07,770
If we had it, we would pay it.

1012
01:36:07,930 --> 01:36:09,930
If we had it, dare I would give it to him here.

1013
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:19,230
I don't know about that, but I'm sure, Caitlin,

1014
01:36:19,370 --> 01:36:20,270
did you have anything else?

1015
01:36:20,650 --> 01:36:23,890
No. Okay. Thank you, Will.

1016
01:36:24,090 --> 01:36:25,410
Thank you. Thank you for your questions.

1017
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:41,980
All right, next up, item 260430, receive a presentation and vote to adopt the Chattam County Master Aging Plan and a company resolution and letter recognizing support for the designation of Chattam County as an age-friendly community.

1018
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:51,080
Aging services director Ashson Martin strategic initiatives manager Brenton Hart and intern Sidney Jake will present this item.

1019
01:37:00,260 --> 01:37:03,860
Should we wait for Commissioner Howard or do you want us to go ahead and get started?

1020
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:08,320
You can go.

1021
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:09,440
There she is.

1022
01:37:09,620 --> 01:37:10,240
All right.

1023
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:11,300
We'll get afternoon commissioners.

1024
01:37:12,220 --> 01:37:15,380
What an exciting day this is for Chattam County Aging Services.

1025
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:20,320
The master aging plan that we are presenting to you today is the first aging plan.

1026
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:24,500
Create a bar department since we became part of the local Chattam County government.

1027
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,860
The development of this plan is the result of months of collaboration.

1028
01:37:28,860 --> 01:37:36,160
listening sessions, data analysis, and community input from residents, caregivers, service

1029
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:42,300
providers, community organizations, and local leaders. It reflects our shared vision for the

1030
01:37:42,300 --> 01:37:48,780
future. This plan outlines priorities and strategies that will strengthen services, promote

1031
01:37:48,780 --> 01:37:54,400
independence, encourage social connection, and improve access to care and support for older

1032
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:55,760
residents and their families.

1033
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:00,760
My name is Ashlyn Martin, I'm the aging services director and I'm happy to be here to present

1034
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:05,780
alongside Brenton Hart and Sydney Sheek, who will be helping me walk you through the information.

1035
01:38:09,310 --> 01:38:15,390
Today we are presenting the 2026-2031 Chattam County Master Aging Plan for Adoption

1036
01:38:16,010 --> 01:38:16,530
Consideration.

1037
01:38:16,890 --> 01:38:21,530
The plan was developed to guide the county's efforts to support its growing aging population

1038
01:38:21,530 --> 01:38:26,030
and pursue consideration as an AARP-age friendly community.

1039
01:38:27,050 --> 01:38:33,030
The plan was informed by community input, demographic data, stakeholder expertise, and

1040
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:35,370
the work of the Master Aging Plan steering committee.

1041
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:40,730
While this plan will serve as a roadmap for the work that we are doing in aging services,

1042
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:45,610
we hope that it will serve as a community-wide vision that can be utilized by other organizations,

1043
01:38:47,010 --> 01:38:48,570
townships, and our elected officials.

1044
01:38:50,460 --> 01:39:01,140
We began the process in December of 2024 when we launched the community survey to gather feedback on how aging services can better serve its aging population.

1045
01:39:04,340 --> 01:39:08,580
The survey remained open for four months, and we received 760 responses.

1046
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:19,040
The survey was promoted through social media, official press releases, our website, and physical copies were available at the Pittsburgh and Solar City Centers for Active Living.

1047
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:32,050
In addition to the community survey, in community input sessions, we're held at the Goldstone Town Hall, the Chatham Grove Community Center, and the Pittsburgh and Solar City Centers for Active Living.

1048
01:39:33,310 --> 01:39:48,290
Through these sessions, residents were able to learn about our plan to create a masteraging plan, understand how the plan would benefit the county's aging population, and share their thoughts and suggestions on how Chatham County can better serve aging residents.

1049
01:39:48,290 --> 01:39:56,470
We then utilize the feedback from these sessions to develop the goals, strategies and metrics that you will see within the aging plan.

1050
01:39:58,610 --> 01:39:59,930
Aging Impact

1051
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:10,840
Aging impacts every family and every generation. By planning thoughtfully today, we are building a stronger community for tomorrow.

1052
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:26,060
We know that this work cannot be accomplished by one agency or organization alone. The Aging Plan Leadership Team assembled a steering committee, comprised of Chattam County employees, elected officials, center participants, and community leaders.

1053
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:32,920
Committee members were selected based on their relevant experience, their involvement with the Master Aging Plan,

1054
01:40:33,480 --> 01:40:36,260
and their engagement with Chattam County's Aging population.

1055
01:40:37,380 --> 01:40:42,920
The steering committee was broken into workgroups based off ARP's eight domains of livability.

1056
01:40:43,660 --> 01:40:51,800
Each group reviewed the public input that was received and developed an initial set of goals and strategies tailored to Chattam County's aging population.

1057
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:56,200
And you can see those eight domains of livability, they're on the slide.

1058
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,820
I'm going to turn it over to Sydney now, who's going to go through our data in assets.

1059
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:05,120
Good afternoon, commissioners.

1060
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:10,240
So as part of our master aging plan, we decided it was best to create an overview of some

1061
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:14,460
of the demographic data for the county to give insights as to how we look as well as

1062
01:41:14,460 --> 01:41:18,800
to give projections as to how that demographics will change in the coming years.

1063
01:41:21,330 --> 01:41:24,950
So as we all know, Chetam County is one of the fastest growing counties in North Carolina

1064
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:31,230
currently. And by 2040, our county's population is projected to increase by roughly 33 percent,

1065
01:41:31,390 --> 01:41:36,150
which out of our 100 counties, the North Carolina ranks 11th. And also,

1066
01:41:36,170 --> 01:41:40,950
Chattam County overall is an older county in terms of the immediate age of residents. The

1067
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:46,090
median age of residents in Chattam County is 48 years old, while state-wide the median

1068
01:41:46,090 --> 01:41:51,270
age is actually only 39. And as you can see in the graphs here, we have a full breakdown

1069
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:58,170
And the next couple of decades as to how each age group in Chattam County is projected to look in terms of the

1070
01:41:58,170 --> 01:42:04,690
Poppy overall population and these statistics are taken from the North Carolina office of state budget and management's demographer.

1071
01:42:07,330 --> 01:42:08,270
Oh, sorry.

1072
01:42:08,730 --> 01:42:11,350
I just had a question about that median age because

1073
01:42:12,190 --> 01:42:15,590
That's different than a number that we've seen before.

1074
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:19,970
I've usually seen 55, but do you know Carolyn?

1075
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:24,230
I feel like it's you and I thought we're projected to be getting older.

1076
01:42:25,690 --> 01:42:31,070
We are projected to be getting older. You'll see in the next couple of decades the percentage

1077
01:42:31,070 --> 01:42:38,570
increase in the 65 plus is the greatest out of all of the different age demographics. I don't recall

1078
01:42:39,250 --> 01:42:47,450
median age presented previously. I think it was a of farmers though. Or it was a specific

1079
01:42:47,450 --> 01:42:54,470
population we were talking about. And also there's average median, you know, if they've selected

1080
01:42:54,470 --> 01:43:00,490
a different range. So it just I hadn't seen that number and I don't think before. So I'm unsure

1081
01:43:00,490 --> 01:43:04,930
that you can pull the mic up if it helps and so you don't have to lean out. Oh, thank you.

1082
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:11,750
But yes, the percentages shown in this graph does show the what percentage of the total

1083
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:15,010
population in those decades that each age rage on shows.

1084
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:21,630
And when looking at other county population projections,

1085
01:43:22,450 --> 01:43:26,050
the population of residents who are age 65 and older

1086
01:43:26,050 --> 01:43:28,790
is what is projected to be our fastest growing population

1087
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:29,990
in the next coming decades.

1088
01:43:30,430 --> 01:43:32,610
Between the years 2040 and 2050,

1089
01:43:32,970 --> 01:43:35,710
we can expect to see a roughly 84% increase

1090
01:43:35,710 --> 01:43:39,530
in this population of residents, which equates to about 16,000

1091
01:43:39,530 --> 01:43:41,330
additional residents in that population.

1092
01:43:41,330 --> 01:43:49,290
And by 2045, those who are age 85 years in older can see a 202% increase in that population.

1093
01:43:50,410 --> 01:43:54,070
So as we can see, there is a large increase that we can expect to see.

1094
01:43:54,410 --> 01:43:57,530
Again, all of this data is collected from the state office of budget and management.

1095
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:05,600
And is that partly due to that population moving here?

1096
01:44:06,180 --> 01:44:12,200
So this is a combination of residents that are projected to be entering the county as well as residents

1097
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,500
in terms of where their age will be by that time.

1098
01:44:19,580 --> 01:44:22,820
We'll also be living till that age.

1099
01:44:23,060 --> 01:44:26,840
Like we'll be, you know, which sounds good to me.

1100
01:44:27,540 --> 01:44:30,800
Yes, that is the assumption here with these data.

1101
01:44:35,970 --> 01:44:38,210
And as part of this Master Aging Plan,

1102
01:44:38,370 --> 01:44:41,370
we also thought it would be beneficial to create an asset inventory

1103
01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:45,050
where we looked at all the programs and services conducted by

1104
01:44:45,050 --> 01:44:52,050
I'm county that support aging residents and in the overall plan we've divided these up by the eight domains of

1105
01:44:52,050 --> 01:44:57,690
the ability that are outlined by a rp just to give kind of that overview, as well as to establish a base

1106
01:44:57,690 --> 01:44:59,970
lawn for where a child I'm county currently is with how to do.

1107
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:14,600
Really quickly for you all is go through each of our domains of livability and provide a little bit of information on each of the domains goals, strategies and kind of what we're looking at in relation to this.

1108
01:45:14,940 --> 01:45:28,280
And just to reiterate, some piece of action said the each section of our steering committee, they were broken out into groups and develop the goals and strategies within them.

1109
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:37,900
So these were individuals who are related to any aspect of livability for aging, for aging

1110
01:45:37,900 --> 01:45:38,560
folks.

1111
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:45,680
And then also, I wanted to point out that these are folks throughout the county non-profit

1112
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:53,800
organizations, and even a couple of folks on the board were within those groups.

1113
01:45:53,800 --> 01:46:01,860
So, to get it started, we recognized for the aging plan that there are several overarching

1114
01:46:01,860 --> 01:46:09,160
goals that are important for all eight domains, so they stretched across all eight domains

1115
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:17,040
of livability, including communication, some community partnerships, and ensuring equitable

1116
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:21,480
and accessible access to aging-related information and services.

1117
01:46:21,480 --> 01:46:27,320
So, as you'll note, you'll see that represented within the goal strategies and metrics.

1118
01:46:27,780 --> 01:46:33,660
We're not going to express all of those throughout the domain, so feel free to take a look at

1119
01:46:33,660 --> 01:46:39,080
the plan for the fully expressed goal strategies and metrics.

1120
01:46:41,180 --> 01:46:44,360
So our first domain is respect in social inclusion.

1121
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:51,900
basically the idea that all folks from all backgrounds, ages, and abilities are welcomed and

1122
01:46:51,900 --> 01:46:57,800
valued within Chattam County, and that was kind of the perspective that we took and requested

1123
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:03,780
that our steering committee developed those goals and strategies from some of those goals and

1124
01:47:03,780 --> 01:47:12,040
strategies and metrics are focused on community connection, intergenerational programming, and then

1125
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:18,020
approved accessibility for older adults, we saw those three general categories as the

1126
01:47:18,020 --> 01:47:26,440
main places where we should focus on as Chattam County in the next five years related

1127
01:47:26,440 --> 01:47:28,440
to respect and social inclusion.

1128
01:47:29,620 --> 01:47:38,280
Our second domain is social participation, so social participation is the making sure folks

1129
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:44,920
active, connected, engaged in that important community life that everyone wants to seek to attain.

1130
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:52,840
And so, focusing on age-friendly social opportunities and improving access to digital services,

1131
01:47:53,140 --> 01:47:59,000
as you all have adopted your digital inclusion plan, we kind of recognize that those two are

1132
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:06,340
intertwined in this area as the social venues change throughout the country, not just Chad and County,

1133
01:48:06,340 --> 01:48:10,340
but improving access to those digital services are important.

1134
01:48:13,020 --> 01:48:17,720
And then domain three is our health services and community support section,

1135
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:21,700
which addresses health and wellness of aging residents,

1136
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:28,540
focusing on expanding access to health care and enhancing health services within the community,

1137
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:32,060
and then addressing food security among aging residents.

1138
01:48:33,460 --> 01:48:57,780
Our domain for housing ensuring that older adults have a place to age in place and also remain independent and connected to their communities, expanding safe, affordable housing, increasing access to home repair and maintenance programs as well as having housing stability for aging residents.

1139
01:48:59,260 --> 01:49:03,800
Domain 5 is outdoor spaces, buildings, and recreation.

1140
01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:12,800
The outdoor spaces, as you know, establish social connection, recreation, and physical health for residents of all ages.

1141
01:49:13,500 --> 01:49:27,040
And the goals of this domain focused on improving access outdoor spaces and recreation facilities, along with expanding participation and recreation programs and events and promoting safe and age-friendly public spaces.

1142
01:49:28,180 --> 01:49:41,600
Our domain 6 is transportation, which is focused on accessible transportation, helping aging residents maintain their independence and remaining engaged in community life similar to other domains.

1143
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:52,220
So, focusing on expanding transportation options for aging residents and strengthening partnerships to improve transportation access where some of those focused goals.

1144
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:59,980
Domain 7 is Civic Participation and Employment and this Domain helps residents.

1145
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:16,640
Residents remain engaged to their communities, along with their independence. As you'll see, that was a focus area across a lot of our domains, ensuring being able to continue contributing to their community and maintaining that independence.

1146
01:50:17,580 --> 01:50:29,980
So expanding volunteer opportunities for aging residents, strengthening partnerships that support that civic participation and then skill building and employment opportunities for older adults if they so choose to have them.

1147
01:50:31,020 --> 01:50:38,400
And then our domain eight is communication and information, ensuring the access to information about

1148
01:50:38,860 --> 01:50:43,820
program services and any other information that they seek is available.

1149
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:51,580
So expanding communication platforms we use as a county, creating accessible and inclusive

1150
01:50:51,580 --> 01:50:56,180
communications, and partnering with community organizations to strengthen outreach.

1151
01:50:56,180 --> 01:51:20,340
So, those are our eight domains, and if you all would like at the end, we could look at the goals we've attached them as an appendix to the presentation, but I will note that the plan is about 100 pages, so we felt that it was almost impossible to do up here today, so if you all have any specific goals you've seen in your review of the plan or anything like that, we can help look at those.

1152
01:51:20,340 --> 01:51:47,760
And then one final section we did want to note that once adopted the master aging plan will have a page on the information hub, which will track all of the information metrics strategies and will be updated by folks that are tied into it, and just to reiterate as well, this is a master aging plan not a strategic plan, so it's not fully a strategic plan for aging services.

1153
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:52,240
So they won't be 100% responsible for the goals and strategies

1154
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:57,640
that are within the plan, but they are a key tie-in to the plan.

1155
01:51:57,700 --> 01:52:01,440
As you'll note, as you look over those goals and surfaces.

1156
01:52:03,180 --> 01:52:10,040
And this page will allow residents to publicly view the progress on the Asian plan.

1157
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:12,260
So with that, I'll hand it back to Ashley.

1158
01:52:16,940 --> 01:52:17,220
All right.

1159
01:52:17,300 --> 01:52:19,240
Do you have any questions for us about the plan?

1160
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:49,520
So, I might question a sort of broad, how do we anticipate that commissioners can ensure that the places that we have a voice in for advancing specific goals that we are bringing the lens of from an aging perspective.

1161
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:56,720
And I think I particularly think of transportation and health and sort of the broad health outcomes.

1162
01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:03,120
So if we're having conversations around access to health and health care resources,

1163
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:14,280
one of the things that doesn't often fall on our radar is hearing aids access to the or things that can help the elderly

1164
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:20,160
participates because they are able to hear well, and then from my perspective, serving

1165
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:29,120
on transportation planning bodies, bringing the perspective from the master plan to the

1166
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:36,540
aging, to the conversation when we're talking about housing. How do, how is it that your

1167
01:53:36,540 --> 01:53:47,040
hope that we can advocate for these things at the level where change happens in a meaningful

1168
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:48,020
way.

1169
01:53:49,180 --> 01:53:54,380
Do you know I'm trying to get too slow because I don't anticipate that every commissioner

1170
01:53:55,560 --> 01:54:02,630
henceforth will read all of the master plan and have it sufficiently encoded that they're

1171
01:54:02,630 --> 01:54:11,650
Oh, I'm talking about a bus route on 15501, am I bringing up the perspective as it relates

1172
01:54:11,650 --> 01:54:16,730
to healthy aging in Adam County, or even much more broadly, like we, I don't think we do

1173
01:54:16,730 --> 01:54:24,370
have a broad conversation around transit and transportation support for the aging.

1174
01:54:25,610 --> 01:54:30,930
We often tend to think of it in terms of recreation, young people, and work.

1175
01:54:30,930 --> 01:54:38,230
right, getting back and forth for work, that kind of mobility. So in order to me, in order for

1176
01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:46,110
the us to make real, bring about real change or to see the metrics aligned with what the goals are.

1177
01:54:47,190 --> 01:54:52,930
We're going to have to be the advocates in some of those faces and I'm wondering how

1178
01:54:54,270 --> 01:54:59,970
does that conversation or is there a way for us to keep that conversation live so that you know

1179
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:15,900
First of all, which members of this board are serving on what boards, committees, whatever, and which things that are relevant to the aging population, are you bringing, are you lifting up, are you reminding the relevant commissioner about, right?

1180
01:55:16,020 --> 01:55:26,280
I see the, I often worry that a lot of what happens in these other boards that we sit on because it's just in this repository and not necessarily getting transmitted everywhere it needs to go.

1181
01:55:26,280 --> 01:55:31,360
but we know that you care about all of these eight domains

1182
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:32,700
for the aging population.

1183
01:55:32,700 --> 01:55:36,740
How do we create a back and forth in enough of a meaningful way

1184
01:55:36,740 --> 01:55:41,760
that it is not just great intentions,

1185
01:55:42,140 --> 01:55:43,800
but we're not tying the pieces together?

1186
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:45,800
Let me jump in on that, too,

1187
01:55:45,940 --> 01:55:48,060
because I think this might relate to the question

1188
01:55:48,060 --> 01:55:50,280
you're opposing, Commissioner Howard,

1189
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:52,260
is one of the things that I tuned into

1190
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:55,340
when I was reading through this report,

1191
01:55:55,340 --> 01:56:04,520
head to do with the numbers of elderly that we're looking for employment and it was wow I was

1192
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:12,220
just really and so it's those tidbits that come out of this report is how do we know what those

1193
01:56:12,220 --> 01:56:19,840
pieces are that you are working in this space every day that we're like yes grab on this because we

1194
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:24,680
would see opportunities potentially where we're looking at small businesses I think you were here

1195
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:27,240
when we're having that discussion about web squared

1196
01:56:27,240 --> 01:56:28,300
and funding for that.

1197
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:29,580
And the fact that we have small businesses

1198
01:56:29,580 --> 01:56:31,700
and other kinds of entrepreneurial things

1199
01:56:31,700 --> 01:56:33,900
we're looking at here and will there be opportunities

1200
01:56:33,900 --> 01:56:36,840
for folks in our elderly retired community

1201
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:38,800
to actually have those opportunities ahead.

1202
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:40,940
So there are things that we're tuned into

1203
01:56:40,940 --> 01:56:43,060
by the nature of what we do here

1204
01:56:43,060 --> 01:56:46,380
and how can we therefore support you

1205
01:56:46,380 --> 01:56:50,240
in this big giant document to know what those tidbits are.

1206
01:56:50,780 --> 01:56:51,940
So that's a great question.

1207
01:56:51,940 --> 01:56:57,620
Um, part of, you know, this aging plan while we created it to be centered around the A or

1208
01:56:57,620 --> 01:57:02,940
RP eight domains of livability is because part of our request today is to ask you all to support

1209
01:57:02,940 --> 01:57:05,780
our efforts to become an age friendly community.

1210
01:57:06,500 --> 01:57:11,300
We would like to join their network of age friendly communities, which is kind of a big deal because

1211
01:57:11,300 --> 01:57:16,620
a lot of other communities here in North Carolina have done that. Um, so I think that our goal

1212
01:57:16,620 --> 01:57:20,580
by bringing this plan to you is that you all can become familiar with the work that we're trying

1213
01:57:20,580 --> 01:57:25,260
to do, so as you're making decisions, you can kind of take into consideration, okay, we've

1214
01:57:25,260 --> 01:57:31,720
considered from a perspective of older adults, but also what we know is that if a community

1215
01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:38,040
is age-friendly for an older adult, it's also age-friendly for, say, a mom with young children,

1216
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:43,860
or an individual living with disabilities. So I think it's just important to keep in mind that

1217
01:57:43,860 --> 01:57:47,640
this plan we hope will help to kind of guide the work that you all are doing as well.

1218
01:57:48,380 --> 01:57:53,800
Aging services is actually in the process of revamping our community ambassador program,

1219
01:57:54,540 --> 01:57:59,600
which was something that the Council on Aging did previously, but the focus of this new ambassador

1220
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:03,720
group is really going to be to help promote aging services out in the community.

1221
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:07,790
We're looking at 12 to 13 individuals who are going to be brought in.

1222
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:13,580
They have to be either a volunteer or a participant at one of our centers in order to be an ambassador.

1223
01:58:14,060 --> 01:58:18,620
So perhaps we can have more conversations between all of you and those ambassador's beats.

1224
01:58:18,820 --> 01:58:25,020
We also want them to play a regular role in our centers of hearing what participants are saying.

1225
01:58:25,580 --> 01:58:30,120
So perhaps we could look at doing something like that just to kind of bring everybody together on a more regular basis.

1226
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:33,420
So you all can stay aware of that as well.

1227
01:58:35,030 --> 01:58:36,850
I don't know if that answered your question or not.

1228
01:58:37,470 --> 01:58:42,370
Sort of a similar question, but I think the tracking this plan is going to be the biggest part of that.

1229
01:58:42,370 --> 01:58:53,710
We're going to be able to see as it goes and as if the aging population is going to be 200% of 85 and older, there's a big difference between a 60 year old and 85 year old and what those needs are.

1230
01:58:53,970 --> 01:58:59,130
And so I think what we're saying is we're fully supportive of this, but we want to make sure that we can see it coming.

1231
01:59:00,210 --> 01:59:05,370
And I think this tracking mechanism is going to help with that. So I want to tell you, thank you for the work you've done on this.

1232
01:59:05,930 --> 01:59:11,190
I think you'll see where all we're all supportive of this plan and I appreciate the work that you're doing.

1233
01:59:11,190 --> 01:59:12,570
Thank you.

1234
01:59:12,890 --> 01:59:15,250
And so much of our work is slow, right?

1235
01:59:15,710 --> 01:59:19,770
So, I mean, you're talking about a plan that extends out to,

1236
01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:22,110
what was it, 2030-31?

1237
01:59:22,610 --> 01:59:25,730
And we're looking at transportation planning in 2050,

1238
01:59:26,750 --> 01:59:34,050
255, MTP, and so for me to make any meaningful difference

1239
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:13,180
I would be worried about leaving it to chance that a given commissioner at any stage is truly sufficiently focused on all of the populations.

1240
02:00:13,580 --> 02:00:21,800
You know, I think it's easy for us to focus on if you're a parent, have a young child to be thinking about school age and you're working parents parent, you're thinking about working.

1241
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:42,000
But harder to envision some of the population that we're all hopefully going to become and their needs and bring that into the conversation today so that the funding and the decisions are made in time for this growing population to reap their rewards.

1242
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:49,880
to make. Yeah. And just to add on to that a little bit, it's a one additional item I wanted

1243
02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:55,900
to bring forward was that this is not just for the elected body and those sorts of things. It'll

1244
02:00:55,900 --> 02:01:03,820
be helpful for staff as well. As an example, there are one of our goals within the plan that was brought

1245
02:01:03,820 --> 02:01:10,340
up by, and I can't I think it was respect and social inclusion that domain group was looking at

1246
02:01:10,340 --> 02:01:17,660
in county facilities for accessibility and ensuring that although we do that already, assisting

1247
02:01:17,660 --> 02:01:23,580
community partners when they need that assistance as well. So making sure that staff is working

1248
02:01:23,580 --> 02:01:29,000
in partnership with different organizations throughout the county and those sorts of things

1249
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:34,780
will be helpful as well. So I wanted to add that in. So applying this, you know, proactively,

1250
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:40,320
what are these things that we need to be doing and looking for? And I think that might be part of what

1251
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:46,920
is a big lift. So we can all be aware of that. Do we want to go ahead and make the motion on this?

1252
02:01:46,940 --> 02:01:51,180
Senator, I make a motion to adopt the Chairman County Master Aging Plan in the company

1253
02:01:51,180 --> 02:01:56,120
Resolution and Letter Recognizing and Designated Chairman County as an age-friendly community.

1254
02:01:56,640 --> 02:02:00,680
So, all in favor. Hi. Thank you very much. This is exciting.

1255
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:06,780
So we have one more thing, more full of surprises. Britain and Sydney don't know about this.

1256
02:02:06,780 --> 02:02:18,820
So Christy's going to join me in just a moment as well because they've also been instrumental in the work that they have done on the library plan, but I wanted to take a minute just to recognize Britain and Sydney.

1257
02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:23,040
We began the journey creating the aging plan back in 2024.

1258
02:02:23,740 --> 02:02:28,140
I remember Carolyn mentioning to me that we could ask Britain to work on this project.

1259
02:02:28,780 --> 02:02:32,180
I didn't know Britain all that well at the time, but I thought great.

1260
02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:34,620
This is another set of hands to help us out with this.

1261
02:02:34,620 --> 02:02:36,300
We're gonna need it.

1262
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:38,060
And it didn't take long for me to realize

1263
02:02:38,060 --> 02:02:40,720
that Britain was so much more than another set of hands.

1264
02:02:41,480 --> 02:02:45,400
When Britain takes on a project, he does it 100%.

1265
02:02:45,400 --> 02:02:48,280
He brought his knowledge, skills, talent,

1266
02:02:48,820 --> 02:02:51,960
technology, expertise, which I'm not very good at.

1267
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:55,980
To this plan and his contributions have been invaluable.

1268
02:02:56,860 --> 02:02:59,380
And just when I thought our team couldn't get any stronger,

1269
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:01,340
Sydney joined us.

1270
02:03:02,120 --> 02:03:03,920
Sydney brought his own wealth of knowledge

1271
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:06,320
and a wide range of skills to this project.

1272
02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:10,440
He attended leadership team meetings and spent countless hours

1273
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:14,080
and behind the scenes helping draft the plan, review content,

1274
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:15,340
and make edits.

1275
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:18,060
His dedication and attention to detail strength

1276
02:03:18,060 --> 02:03:19,780
in the plans in so many ways.

1277
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:22,040
And I learned today that this is his first presentation

1278
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:24,780
to you all, and I think he did an incredible job.

1279
02:03:28,450 --> 02:03:30,370
So the aging plan is what it is today

1280
02:03:30,370 --> 02:03:32,210
because of the tremendous work and dedication

1281
02:03:32,210 --> 02:03:33,630
of both Sydney and Britain.

1282
02:03:33,630 --> 02:03:41,830
And on behalf of Aging Services, I want to extend my heartfelt thanks to both of you for the many months and countless hours you devoted to this project.

1283
02:03:42,550 --> 02:03:44,670
Thank you for being true champions for Aging.

1284
02:03:45,530 --> 02:03:49,870
Through your work on this plan, you have helped to make chat a stronger, more age-friendly community.

1285
02:03:50,510 --> 02:03:56,430
Your dedication has made a lasting impact and the benefits of your work will reach far beyond the completion of this plan.

1286
02:03:56,430 --> 02:04:05,590
Because of you, the people who call Chatham home, those who come here to work, and those who visit our community will experience the positive impacts of your efforts.

1287
02:04:06,370 --> 02:04:12,530
Thank you, Britain and Sydney for your commitment, your expertise, and your belief in making Chatham a better place for people of all ages.

1288
02:04:12,790 --> 02:04:14,650
We are grateful for all that you have done.

1289
02:04:16,070 --> 02:04:17,030
Thank you.

1290
02:04:21,370 --> 02:04:29,030
Ashland also asked me to come up because I wanted to give my thanks before you get my presentation with the library strategic plan

1291
02:04:29,030 --> 02:04:34,010
and she sent that to me and I'm like, gosh, this is what I'm like, what else am I going to say?

1292
02:04:34,470 --> 02:04:38,670
But I do appreciate all of the work that Brenton and Sydney have done.

1293
02:04:39,010 --> 02:04:46,690
They definitely learned at the age-old cultural idiom of a woman's prerogative to change her mind because I'm saying, no, I don't want that picture.

1294
02:04:46,690 --> 02:04:53,730
Sydney, can we put this in there? Can we add that? They did all of it with grace patients, humor and dedication.

1295
02:04:54,250 --> 02:04:58,930
So I want to give them a big round for pause and appreciation for what they've done for the library as well.

1296
02:04:59,330 --> 02:04:59,430
Thanks.

1297
02:05:00,620 --> 02:05:07,220
Next is item 260429, receive a presentation and vote to adopt the 2026-2031.

1298
02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:14,340
Chatham County Library Strategic Plan, Library Director, Christy Bondi, and Strategic Initiatives Manager,

1299
02:05:14,900 --> 02:05:16,800
Brenton Hart, and Interns Sydney Sheak.

1300
02:05:16,980 --> 02:05:18,100
We'll present a side of

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02:05:30,070 --> 02:05:30,270
it.

1302
02:05:31,110 --> 02:05:31,610
Oh,

1303
02:05:41,500 --> 02:05:42,980
did it not go to the...

1304
02:05:50,730 --> 02:05:51,290
There we go.

1305
02:05:57,600 --> 02:05:59,560
Right, we'll get after noon commissioners.

1306
02:06:00,120 --> 02:06:03,520
I'm here to present a draft of the Chatham County Public Library.

1307
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:08,500
to May 26th to 2031, strategic plan.

1308
02:06:10,460 --> 02:06:12,740
Much like the aging plan,

1309
02:06:12,900 --> 02:06:14,420
we went through a similar process,

1310
02:06:14,580 --> 02:06:16,300
starting in December of 2025,

1311
02:06:17,220 --> 02:06:19,960
we started a community needs assessment survey

1312
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:23,120
that went out across the community

1313
02:06:23,120 --> 02:06:24,860
through all of our libraries,

1314
02:06:25,460 --> 02:06:28,540
through the aging center and other community partners.

1315
02:06:28,540 --> 02:06:39,460
We received 700 responses within two months and other ways that we informed our plan was through data analysis,

1316
02:06:39,960 --> 02:06:47,100
focus groups, library staff input, stake holder engagement and leadership team review.

1317
02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:55,260
Seven focus areas were aligned with community and organizational needs and why do a strategic plan?

1318
02:06:55,260 --> 02:07:00,840
first of all, you should always have a plan, an action, but adoption is required for eligibility

1319
02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:06,960
for the state library aid and for grants that we pursue. I am working on the state aid application

1320
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:13,540
right now and it was our time to do a new updated strategic plan and I think these gentlemen came

1321
02:07:13,540 --> 02:07:16,240
up with a great for us to go forward with.

1322
02:07:18,870 --> 02:07:22,190
So as I was saying, we did do a two-month community survey

1323
02:07:22,190 --> 02:07:32,090
online and paper. I will say a large amount of our folks were in the aging category that

1324
02:07:32,090 --> 02:07:39,770
filled out the survey so we got a lot of great information to drive forward with the hard strategic

1325
02:07:39,770 --> 02:07:46,350
plan and Sydney helped to develop all of that. We had great focus groups three at our library

1326
02:07:46,350 --> 02:07:53,610
branches, one at the Chattam Grove Community Center, and each of our front groups participated

1327
02:07:53,610 --> 02:07:56,770
in focus groups as well as our Library Advisory Committee.

1328
02:07:58,070 --> 02:08:06,530
So from that staff myself, Sidney and Brenton took the focus group and survey data to

1329
02:08:06,530 --> 02:08:07,730
develop the plan.

1330
02:08:09,130 --> 02:08:12,530
And now I'll pass it over to Sidney to go through all the fun data story.

1331
02:08:15,730 --> 02:08:24,530
Hello again commissioners. So I'm going to give you some more internal data about that we decided to include in our library plan.

1332
02:08:27,480 --> 02:08:34,680
So we once again create an asset inventory this time focusing specifically on the programs and services offered by our libraries.

1333
02:08:35,220 --> 02:08:43,840
I want to I want to preface this by saying these are not all of these specific programs. They do these are just the overall categories that the various programs they do fall under.

1334
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:49,120
So book lending, audio books, e-books, entrepreneurship training, all of these different things,

1335
02:08:50,020 --> 02:08:52,980
pretty much everything that they do would fall into all of these different categories.

1336
02:08:53,260 --> 02:08:55,200
So as you can see, they're doing a lot right now.

1337
02:08:58,950 --> 02:09:04,010
And this is some internal data that Christy provided to us for the plan to give kind of the overview

1338
02:09:04,010 --> 02:09:08,630
as to the type of things that the libraries have been seeing over the last couple of fiscal years.

1339
02:09:09,210 --> 02:09:14,490
So as you can see in the total library visitors between fiscal year 23 and fiscal year 25,

1340
02:09:14,490 --> 02:09:24,590
They saw a decent increase in the total foot traffic of visitors within the libraries and went from seven to about 73,000 to 85,000 in fiscal year 25

1341
02:09:24,590 --> 02:09:34,090
And similarly in total library circulation, which includes all of their physical books, any materials that they can check out such as STEM kids all of that stuff

1342
02:09:34,090 --> 02:09:39,990
There was a large increase in the last three fiscal years going from 2,000 to 2,000

1343
02:09:39,990 --> 02:09:48,650
in 18,000 in fiscal year 23 to 20,268,000 in fiscal year 25, which is roughly a 50,000 increase.

1344
02:09:53,050 --> 02:09:55,850
And this was a great stat that Christy provided to us as well.

1345
02:09:56,150 --> 02:09:59,970
So if you take into account everything that our residents...

1346
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:05,860
Check out from the libraries, books that they use, audio books, any of the other things that they're able to check out and use.

1347
02:10:06,180 --> 02:10:17,760
Everything has a numerical value that can be associated with it. So when you add all of that together in 2025, it adds up to over $5 million that our libraries users manage to save by using all of our available resources.

1348
02:10:22,790 --> 02:10:30,290
And looking at our internal technology data, and fiscal year 25, the reference desk at our libraries for our tech assistance was used.

1349
02:10:30,290 --> 02:10:35,470
they total of 1,378 times, and fiscal year 2025,

1350
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:38,410
we had 30 technology classes,

1351
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:40,750
which is great that we're increasing that.

1352
02:10:41,110 --> 02:10:44,030
And between fiscal years, 2023 and 2025,

1353
02:10:44,730 --> 02:10:47,350
the computer usage of all of the laptops and computers

1354
02:10:47,350 --> 02:10:48,790
that we have in our libraries,

1355
02:10:49,070 --> 02:10:51,370
size 28% increase in use.

1356
02:10:55,080 --> 02:10:56,760
And with that, I'll give it to Brenton.

1357
02:11:00,860 --> 02:11:04,220
All right, similarly to our aging plan,

1358
02:11:04,220 --> 02:11:16,940
Although this is a much different plan related to all of the different library goals and strategies and is tailored toward exactly to the library system.

1359
02:11:17,940 --> 02:11:28,220
So we created seven focus areas and their goals, their subsequent goals and we wanted to walk through those with you all.

1360
02:11:28,220 --> 02:11:40,200
And similarly to the aging plan, we wanted to provide an overview of what the goals entailed and rather than the goals themselves.

1361
02:11:41,080 --> 02:11:42,920
So just keep that in mind.

1362
02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:47,080
So an overview of our seven focus areas really quickly.

1363
02:11:47,860 --> 02:11:54,620
Some that you'll recognize, some that are a little bit different from what are typically provided within a library plan.

1364
02:11:54,620 --> 02:11:59,380
So we've got collections, program services, programs and services,

1365
02:12:00,080 --> 02:12:01,360
communication staff and facilities.

1366
02:12:01,920 --> 02:12:04,960
Those are the primary five that are typically

1367
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:07,160
associated with library strategic plans,

1368
02:12:07,820 --> 02:12:09,960
but due to some of the requests from our community

1369
02:12:09,960 --> 02:12:12,140
and some of those survey responses,

1370
02:12:12,740 --> 02:12:15,620
we decided to add both community and adaptability

1371
02:12:15,620 --> 02:12:20,800
as different goals that we recognized as being important

1372
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:22,800
for the success of the libraries.

1373
02:12:23,940 --> 02:12:30,040
So, to start off with our focus area one, Sydney went over just briefly, but collections,

1374
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:36,820
collections includes books, ebooks, magazines, audio books, and online databases, and

1375
02:12:36,820 --> 02:12:44,040
our goals within this focus area are focused on expanding those available materials, items,

1376
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:52,420
importantly within this is a library of things that was included as a goal to have, and

1377
02:12:52,420 --> 02:12:53,960
access to information.

1378
02:12:55,580 --> 02:12:58,900
Our focus area too, being programs in services,

1379
02:12:59,200 --> 02:13:01,600
in addition to all of those programs and services

1380
02:13:01,600 --> 02:13:05,240
that you all saw earlier, these goals

1381
02:13:05,240 --> 02:13:09,180
focus on expanding and enhancing those current offerings,

1382
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:11,960
including intergenerational programming,

1383
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:14,760
educational programming, and creative programming.

1384
02:13:15,100 --> 02:13:20,140
We recognized from a lot of our input that

1385
02:13:20,140 --> 02:13:26,280
residents love to have those, all of these different programs and would like more such as

1386
02:13:26,280 --> 02:13:32,410
educational being STEM kits and things of that nature, folks use those all of the time.

1387
02:13:34,440 --> 02:13:38,100
And then additionally, in combination with our agent plan,

1388
02:13:38,180 --> 02:13:41,780
intergenerational programming has been a major interest at the community.

1389
02:13:44,020 --> 02:13:49,830
For our focus area, three is community. This focus area acknowledges that role that

1390
02:13:49,830 --> 02:13:57,930
libraries play in as a third space within communities. So being able to have a place for folks to go at the school

1391
02:13:57,930 --> 02:14:05,830
actor work, those sorts of things are important. And in addition, fostering those connections, expanding

1392
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:13,830
that library outreach, so folks in typically underserved areas for libraries also received that

1393
02:14:13,830 --> 02:14:21,350
and receive those services, and then also strengthening partnerships amongst community organizations with the library.

1394
02:15:01,390 --> 02:15:24,890
Focus area 5 is communications, so recognizing that communication with residents and the understanding of libraries being essential communication venues for residents is there, so and recognizing the need for libraries to be able to communicate which services and those sorts of things that are being offered.

1395
02:15:24,890 --> 02:15:31,730
providing community with relevant information, marketing, multi-lingual communications, and community partnerships.

1396
02:15:34,210 --> 02:15:37,990
Focus Area 6 is of what Christy would say is the most important.

1397
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:44,130
And this focus area recognizes Chattam County Public Library staff,

1398
02:15:44,270 --> 02:15:46,190
are the backbone of Library Work.

1399
02:15:46,530 --> 02:15:51,150
It focuses on staff expansion, investing in professional development,

1400
02:15:51,150 --> 02:15:59,070
and building interest in library careers and then focus area seven is facilities and this

1401
02:15:59,070 --> 02:16:07,450
focus area refers to those physical library spaces improving access to currently existing library

1402
02:16:07,450 --> 02:16:13,030
facilities exploring the possibility of adding additional facilities in the future and responding

1403
02:16:13,030 --> 02:16:21,130
to the needs of patrons are at the top of the list for facilities and for moving forward

1404
02:16:21,130 --> 02:16:38,270
We also did want to note, similarly, that there will be a tracking page for this new strategic plan on the website as well, where Christie and her staff will update as ongoing items are accomplished within the plan or new initiatives come out of it.

1405
02:16:38,270 --> 02:16:43,090
And it will be updated quarterly or by annually, depending on those goals.

1406
02:16:44,090 --> 02:16:47,350
And residents in the board can view progress on that webpage.

1407
02:16:47,970 --> 02:16:59,690
And those links for both the aging plan, new page and the library strategic plan page will be within the press release that is released later on this week for the

1408
02:16:59,690 --> 02:17:04,810
For these both of these plans, so that residents can see those there.

1409
02:17:04,810 --> 02:17:12,910
And so I want to turn it back over to Christy, in case she has any other things to say about the different focus areas.

1410
02:17:14,570 --> 02:17:15,710
Thank you, Brenton.

1411
02:17:16,910 --> 02:17:18,670
I'm happy to answer any questions.

1412
02:17:19,010 --> 02:17:22,990
I will say that once you give me a goal, I start to do it.

1413
02:17:23,790 --> 02:17:27,750
So actually the first goal that is under library collections, the library of things.

1414
02:17:27,930 --> 02:17:32,530
We did receive a grant from that we will be asking you to do a bunch of the amendment for.

1415
02:17:32,530 --> 02:17:37,470
The next month that your commissioners meeting for us to start checking out,

1416
02:17:37,650 --> 02:17:43,050
ukulelees and puzzles and tools, so we're excited for that.

1417
02:17:43,910 --> 02:17:45,990
And I've been doing this for 25 years.

1418
02:17:46,130 --> 02:17:50,310
So adaptability is something that I've learned when I first was in libraries.

1419
02:17:50,530 --> 02:17:51,450
I was just learning.

1420
02:17:51,650 --> 02:17:56,450
We were all just learning what Wi-Fi was, so we've come a long way.

1421
02:17:56,630 --> 02:17:57,850
And we've got a long way to go.

1422
02:17:58,070 --> 02:18:00,690
Happy to answer any questions you may have.

1423
02:18:01,810 --> 02:18:04,250
Well, thank you for all you do for our libraries.

1424
02:18:04,790 --> 02:18:28,830
I live in Siler City and so we usually just go to the Siler City Library and the ability to rent out or order books from other areas has been opportunity to save time but also just expand the accessibility of different titles that may not be at the current library.

1425
02:18:28,830 --> 02:18:32,350
Can you remind me, what other facilities do we have?

1426
02:18:32,470 --> 02:18:36,170
We have the Goldstone, the one in Pittsburgh, do we have one in the Northeast?

1427
02:18:37,130 --> 02:18:44,150
We don't, yeah, I believe that we have that as a potential for our seven-year plan, RCIP moving

1428
02:18:44,150 --> 02:18:47,310
forward, would be to ask for a facility out there.

1429
02:18:47,630 --> 02:18:53,530
So we have Ren Memorial and Cyber City, Goldstone Public Library and a Chatham Community Library

1430
02:18:53,530 --> 02:18:54,250
here.

1431
02:18:54,250 --> 02:19:04,650
Given to ask you still here, has there ever been conversation of cross programming with the libraries and aging services?

1432
02:19:04,990 --> 02:19:05,990
Just you make.

1433
02:19:06,570 --> 02:19:12,830
No, we've had some great bunk brainstorming ideas along with forage and with parks and recreation.

1434
02:19:12,990 --> 02:19:15,850
So we're excited to bring something together.

1435
02:19:15,970 --> 02:19:21,250
One thing that I had mentioned that we could potentially do down the line is.

1436
02:19:23,080 --> 02:19:27,620
Ashley and I have talked about how they have raised garden beds and how we have a seed library.

1437
02:19:27,820 --> 02:19:30,580
We have little folks that come to story time.

1438
02:19:31,140 --> 02:19:34,660
She has the seniors having a growing buddies.

1439
02:19:36,780 --> 02:19:37,740
I program.

1440
02:19:38,520 --> 02:19:43,240
And so we've been thinking about doing that later on this year and letting them plan a seed together.

1441
02:19:43,340 --> 02:19:48,380
Watch it, cultivate their little vegetable, maybe, and then have a communal meal together.

1442
02:19:49,140 --> 02:19:51,500
So we're coming up with lots of different ideas.

1443
02:19:51,500 --> 02:19:59,980
ideas. We do, we are doing one program right now called Kinder Music Bridges that'll start back up in September. So the little

1444
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:05,400
Our early literacy specialist goes and does stuff and it's wonderful to see the interactions,

1445
02:20:05,860 --> 02:20:11,920
combating some social isolation, maybe for some folks. So we're excited about all the different ways

1446
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:17,760
that things can go. And I'm glad that you enjoy our career service, but another exciting thing

1447
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:24,320
that's about to happen is in November we are joining the NC Cardinal Consortium with 60 other county

1448
02:20:24,320 --> 02:20:31,880
libraries so you will be able to have access to 8 million other books, DVDs, audio books

1449
02:20:31,880 --> 02:20:38,260
from our neighboring libraries so that'll be exciting. There'll be a career that comes

1450
02:20:38,260 --> 02:20:43,840
through FedEx. So if you want a book from Bunkham County requested it would be shipped here

1451
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:54,300
so we'll have some resource sharing so we're excited for that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

1452
02:20:54,300 --> 02:21:05,580
Marvellous presentations and strategic plans that you guys are doing and it's really exciting and it shows the value that you bring to the community here

1453
02:21:06,320 --> 02:21:12,000
And I think making that visible to the public is just an an ongoing way super important

1454
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:17,660
It's why the information hub is super important. We talked earlier today about one of the biggest challenges

1455
02:21:18,220 --> 02:21:23,240
Not just us, but a lot of folks have as far as just getting this information out to the public's van

1456
02:21:23,240 --> 02:21:29,640
understand. This is available and it seems to happen all over the place. As local governments

1457
02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:38,600
are really threatened by the general assembly and losing the ability to manage our own local

1458
02:21:38,600 --> 02:21:43,700
taxes to try and help pay and fund some of these wonderful programs. I think it's all the more

1459
02:21:43,700 --> 02:21:53,220
important that these services and what you do and how involved and engage the community is and how

1460
02:21:53,220 --> 02:21:57,420
through like the information hub, but through other channels just to get the word out because

1461
02:21:58,040 --> 02:22:03,860
most people don't like taxes, but if they understand that they're helping provide these kinds

1462
02:22:03,860 --> 02:22:09,140
of services that are really important, sort of changes that picture a little bit, you know,

1463
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:13,420
I think for all of us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Any other questions?

1464
02:22:13,980 --> 02:22:22,000
I mean, that was easy. What do you think we could attribute the growth in visits and borrowing

1465
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:28,880
to because I think there was also a significant bump, post-COVID, wasn't there?

1466
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:36,440
I believe there was, but I will say that number probably bumped a lot because 2023 we were

1467
02:22:36,440 --> 02:22:41,960
still kind of coming a little out of COVID and then it just kind of people started not being

1468
02:22:41,960 --> 02:22:46,740
afraid to come into the library more and we were offering more programs that people were coming

1469
02:22:46,740 --> 02:22:49,560
to that, and they were checking out materials.

1470
02:22:50,320 --> 02:22:52,300
I will say a large portion of it, though,

1471
02:22:52,480 --> 02:22:54,320
and I am trying to figure this out.

1472
02:22:54,480 --> 02:22:56,460
So if any of the collective brain here knows

1473
02:22:56,460 --> 02:23:00,540
how to do this, people do come in to get their library card

1474
02:23:00,540 --> 02:23:05,400
just for e-books, so that's a bump in that as well.

1475
02:23:05,500 --> 02:23:08,100
And so we're trying to get them to stay to find out

1476
02:23:08,100 --> 02:23:09,920
that we have more than just the e-books.

1477
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:15,460
But I do think that e-book trend is continual with us.

1478
02:23:15,460 --> 02:23:25,100
We had almost 1,500 requests last month and we were able to fill 10 with the way E-book pricing is, but that's a different story.

1479
02:23:26,200 --> 02:23:29,560
And we're up to people waiting like 70 days for an E-book.

1480
02:23:32,520 --> 02:23:44,320
I do think it's, people wanted to get back out, so they were coming and checking out physical bugs, but then you still had your folks that were now used to downloading.

1481
02:23:45,460 --> 02:23:50,160
their books and just doing that as well. Well, it's just good to know people are still reading.

1482
02:23:50,900 --> 02:23:54,280
I'm thrilled by it every day. Yeah, absolutely. What's the hold of on the

1483
02:23:54,280 --> 02:24:02,220
ebooks? Is it cost subscription? It's pricing. So, um, not to really get into that too crazy with

1484
02:24:02,220 --> 02:24:08,700
you guys, but I'm actually on a task force for ebook pricing. So, as I can buy a physical,

1485
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:14,460
I'll just say James Patterson, because people know who that is. His book, I can check that out

1486
02:24:14,460 --> 02:24:20,200
definitely. It might come back. It might get damaged. We'll repair it. We'll send it back out with ebooks.

1487
02:24:20,360 --> 02:24:27,940
You're purchasing a license and one of the pricing models is after 26 checkouts. The license goes away.

1488
02:24:28,660 --> 02:24:33,340
And then if you have a hold, you still have people waiting for you. You have to purchase it again.

1489
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:41,120
And an average hardcover, I would say is going to cost you about $26. They're going to charge you

1490
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:44,560
a hundred and three dollars for that license for 26 licenses.

1491
02:24:44,860 --> 02:24:51,000
As you go to this 80 libraries, there's something is there a way to do a price point comparison

1492
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:57,660
for ebooks and instead of each library getting it, let me be a statewide or a community wide

1493
02:24:57,660 --> 02:24:59,980
project. So we agree. We're in.

1494
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:27,080
A machine with small and rural libraries that's called e-ink and the larger libraries are in one called NC digital and that's really the way, only way any of us can afford it, but there's finally some chatter and discussion about e-book pricing happening actually nationwide. Right now when there is some movement in different states to do some laws around it because it's considered predatory pricing, but I could sit up here and talk about it all day.

1495
02:25:27,080 --> 02:25:32,880
You just talked about priorities, priorities, and I think the library parties are important to us too.

1496
02:25:33,020 --> 02:25:34,740
So I want to tell you, thank you for the work you're doing on it.

1497
02:25:34,960 --> 02:25:36,340
Thank you for your continued look at it.

1498
02:25:36,520 --> 02:25:37,740
Thank you.

1499
02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:39,080
Create a voice.

1500
02:25:39,980 --> 02:25:42,960
Is there a motion to adopt the Chad and Kenny Library Strategic Plan?

1501
02:25:44,200 --> 02:25:44,360
Hi.

1502
02:25:44,980 --> 02:25:45,220
Hi.

1503
02:25:45,220 --> 02:25:45,680
All in favour?

1504
02:25:46,220 --> 02:25:46,580
All right.

1505
02:25:46,680 --> 02:25:47,060
Thank you.

1506
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:47,140
Thank you.

1507
02:25:47,260 --> 02:25:48,460
Thank you.

1508
02:25:50,030 --> 02:25:50,510
All right.

1509
02:25:50,750 --> 02:25:57,770
So next on our agenda is item 260463, a vote to go into closed session pursuant

1510
02:25:57,770 --> 02:26:04,910
to 143-318.11A3 to consult with an attorney retained by the county in order to preserve

1511
02:26:04,910 --> 02:26:10,030
the attorney client privilege to serve out to go in the closed session. So move back to the second.

1512
02:26:10,350 --> 02:26:18,880
Thank you. All in favor. Thank you. And I would just say Christie has talked to our legislator

1513
02:26:18,880 --> 02:26:23,620
But Senator Natalie Murdock about the E-Price, it's on the radar.

1514
02:26:24,140 --> 02:26:24,780
Thank you.

1515
05:03:08,530 --> 05:03:18,030
Clock, and I will call the August 17th, Chattam County Board of Commissioners Regular Session to order.

1516
05:03:21,600 --> 05:03:38,220
Before we get underway, I would first like to, again, thank the 300 or so Chattam County residents who came out several weeks ago at our August 5th public comment meeting.

1517
05:03:39,240 --> 05:03:53,700
Thank you for coming out to bear witness to the 50 or so residents who spoke up about their concerns about the proposed and bridge pipeline.

1518
05:03:55,000 --> 05:04:03,960
This board is very grateful and understands how challenging it can be for many people to come out in the evenings.

1519
05:04:03,960 --> 05:04:10,800
you have families and some are elderly and it's hard to navigate and get out and attend

1520
05:04:10,800 --> 05:04:14,980
an event like that. We're deeply grateful to you all for making space and any of you that

1521
05:04:14,980 --> 05:04:24,670
did come that were there as well. So we thank you to start our meeting. I'd like to take a moment of

1522
05:04:24,670 --> 05:04:33,850
silence and ask those attending today to please hold in your hearts and your prayers.

1523
05:04:35,190 --> 05:04:39,930
Those that are facing this right now that are facing eminent domain of their property

1524
05:05:00,940 --> 05:05:03,000
And just

1525
05:05:05,760 --> 05:05:08,460
think about them for just a moment, please. Thank you.

1526
05:05:20,660 --> 05:05:23,100
Thank you. Now, please, it's all stand for the pledge of allegiance.

1527
05:05:45,880 --> 05:05:53,240
Thank you. Are there any adjustments, additions, stations or corrections to the regular session agenda?

1528
05:06:00,260 --> 05:06:09,160
I do have one item that I laid out at your spot to add to the consent agenda and Gene.

1529
05:06:09,340 --> 05:06:15,400
I think Gene the 15th, the Board approved a fireworks show at Governor's Club.

1530
05:06:16,160 --> 05:06:20,880
And due to fire regulations that wasn't able to be hailed.

1531
05:06:21,200 --> 05:06:26,940
So now they're going to have it on Labor Day, which I think is September the 5th is the day they're having it.

1532
05:06:26,940 --> 05:06:33,300
no, if that's Labor Day. And so this would just be a approval to change that date.

1533
05:06:35,020 --> 05:06:40,900
All right. Thank you, Jennifer. There are motion to add this to the consent agenda.

1534
05:06:41,100 --> 05:06:50,940
Madam Jarrow make the motion. You have a second. Second. All in favor. Is there a motion to approve this evening's

1535
05:06:50,940 --> 05:06:52,280
agenda as amended.

1536
05:06:52,740 --> 05:06:53,580
So moved.

1537
05:06:54,500 --> 05:06:54,520
Second.

1538
05:06:55,060 --> 05:06:55,700
All in favor.

1539
05:06:56,120 --> 05:06:56,180
Hi.

1540
05:06:57,180 --> 05:07:00,200
Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda?

1541
05:07:00,840 --> 05:07:07,540
I would like for us to potentially push back for further discussion.

1542
05:07:08,140 --> 05:07:16,700
Maybe give staff some time to discuss the contract for item 2, 6, 0, 4, 2, 1, which is the EEC contract.

1543
05:07:16,700 --> 05:07:33,060
I don't know if board members would like to actually discuss this or just instruct staff to provide language within the contract that is more aligned with our goals in terms of the industries that they seek and other reasons.

1544
05:07:33,840 --> 05:07:40,960
So I am inclined to say, let's keep it on the consent agenda so that the contract can be,

1545
05:07:41,480 --> 05:07:46,140
we will have a contract with the EDC, but let's bring forward an S Accounting Manager

1546
05:07:46,140 --> 05:07:53,420
if we can start the discussion about the larger nature of the relationship contract,

1547
05:07:53,680 --> 05:07:58,820
whether it's a contract or the strategic plan, but more in line with our board priorities,

1548
05:07:59,660 --> 05:08:03,520
as something that we can maybe discuss leading up to the budget.

1549
05:08:04,660 --> 05:08:10,820
What are the timing impacts where we do called this for next month?

1550
05:08:13,940 --> 05:08:17,940
If it's next month, I don't think we have a check.

1551
05:08:18,840 --> 05:08:23,380
What would it look at our financial people at the other end of the road here?

1552
05:08:23,400 --> 05:08:26,860
What would be the general timeframe for this service agreement?

1553
05:08:26,860 --> 05:08:29,020
and the first payment to be paid.

1554
05:08:29,760 --> 05:08:30,740
So knowing normally,

1555
05:08:31,360 --> 05:08:33,020
I've handled this allocation in 12,

1556
05:08:33,200 --> 05:08:35,260
so they get one payment every month,

1557
05:08:35,300 --> 05:08:37,320
once both of the contract every month.

1558
05:08:37,520 --> 05:08:40,040
Obviously we're already into the second month of the year.

1559
05:08:41,220 --> 05:08:43,820
So the finance office would probably just do,

1560
05:08:44,040 --> 05:08:45,060
if it was approved tonight,

1561
05:08:45,180 --> 05:08:47,900
we probably do two payments and all of us just to catch this up.

1562
05:08:48,560 --> 05:08:50,700
Any further delay of that contract,

1563
05:08:51,260 --> 05:08:53,100
it was next month, it would be three months up front,

1564
05:08:53,380 --> 05:08:54,720
and that's an old and so forth.

1565
05:08:54,720 --> 05:08:59,060
That's to how it would impact the EDC, they're separate legal entities,

1566
05:08:59,400 --> 05:09:05,440
they don't profit into the, I can't, can't fully answer that, but I can't say based on the

1567
05:09:05,440 --> 05:09:10,760
budget that was submitted to us, we're about 70% of their funding, so I'm not insignificant

1568
05:09:10,760 --> 05:09:15,940
to get them out. But I do not know what they're doing. And so I can say it was that it will take

1569
05:09:15,940 --> 05:09:20,000
more than a month for our board to have the kind of discussion that we were anticipating having

1570
05:09:20,000 --> 05:09:22,360
about the contract itself.

1571
05:09:22,640 --> 05:09:23,900
So if we,

1572
05:09:23,900 --> 05:09:26,700
a kept it on and approved it,

1573
05:09:27,100 --> 05:09:29,360
but with the understanding that the county manager

1574
05:09:29,360 --> 05:09:31,020
and the EDC director,

1575
05:09:31,800 --> 05:09:33,220
and maybe some contingent of their board

1576
05:09:33,220 --> 05:09:37,220
and this board would have conversations leading up

1577
05:09:37,220 --> 05:09:38,440
to our budget meeting,

1578
05:09:38,440 --> 05:09:43,460
then we could have the full weighing out

1579
05:09:43,460 --> 05:09:45,400
of what and how we wanted to handle it.

1580
05:09:45,440 --> 05:09:48,800
But now seems like a difficult time to try to do that.

1581
05:10:00,520 --> 05:10:11,100
Weeding until budget discussion comes. I feel like a lot of things can happen potentially. So I would prefer if we have to go on a monthly basis, just to keep them afloat.

1582
05:10:11,520 --> 05:10:20,900
While we have those discussions, that's one thing, but it have and approve a whole year contract right now. I feel like I wouldn't be more hesitant to do.

1583
05:10:21,960 --> 05:10:27,840
And to try to, if I may thread the needle, so to speak here, would the board be comfortable

1584
05:10:27,840 --> 05:10:34,500
in approving the contract, and once we get to a point of having our priorities clearly

1585
05:10:34,500 --> 05:10:39,340
aligned either through the contract, or strategic plan, or any other kind of working document

1586
05:10:39,340 --> 05:10:47,000
that we would bring back or revise contract to amend what the board may approve, but not

1587
05:10:47,000 --> 05:10:53,560
necessarily wait until the next fiscal year that we're able to move that forward as we are

1588
05:10:53,560 --> 05:11:01,120
able, and not set a time clock for FY28, but with the expectation that that would be handled

1589
05:11:01,120 --> 05:11:03,020
inside of the current fiscal year.

1590
05:11:03,140 --> 05:11:06,660
And we have the ability to make contract to do that.

1591
05:11:07,100 --> 05:11:15,360
We could, in coordination with the EDC, either do an amendment through that contract or replicate

1592
05:11:15,360 --> 05:11:20,620
the current contract and then approve a brand new contract.

1593
05:11:21,740 --> 05:11:22,600
That's right.

1594
05:11:22,600 --> 05:11:24,740
We would still be on the hook for a whole year, right?

1595
05:11:25,600 --> 05:11:26,380
That's correct.

1596
05:11:26,780 --> 05:11:29,860
The board adopted the budget with the set of mail

1597
05:11:29,860 --> 05:11:31,720
where the allocation to the EDC.

1598
05:11:32,440 --> 05:11:34,340
But I'm referring to the contract.

1599
05:11:35,780 --> 05:11:39,260
We'd be on the hook for this exact same contract for a whole year.

1600
05:11:39,400 --> 05:11:40,060
But the amount.

1601
05:11:40,400 --> 05:11:42,040
But not so much the amount in the language.

1602
05:11:43,360 --> 05:11:46,720
The language could be amended at any point moving fully.

1603
05:11:47,260 --> 05:11:50,080
Yeah, so I think part of what it is is there's two separate things.

1604
05:11:50,300 --> 05:11:55,080
The contract and then operation of memorandum and strategic plan alignment.

1605
05:11:55,460 --> 05:12:00,040
So I think if we approve the contract also knowing that we can amend it,

1606
05:12:00,700 --> 05:12:09,900
it sounds like there's also a larger conversation around goals being aligned that can be held separate from the approval.

1607
05:12:15,200 --> 05:12:19,940
Okay, all right, okay, did we get a motion to approve the consent agenda?

1608
05:12:20,660 --> 05:12:21,620
I did.

1609
05:12:21,760 --> 05:12:22,220
We did not.

1610
05:12:22,420 --> 05:12:22,960
We did not.

1611
05:12:22,960 --> 05:12:23,860
I made a motion.

1612
05:12:24,080 --> 05:12:24,240
Sorry.

1613
05:12:24,480 --> 05:12:29,440
I might have said it loud enough at any time, but I make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

1614
05:12:29,460 --> 05:12:31,180
And then second of all in favor.

1615
05:12:31,360 --> 05:12:31,840
All right.

1616
05:12:31,900 --> 05:12:32,080
Hi.

1617
05:12:33,440 --> 05:12:33,840
Thank

1618
05:12:36,240 --> 05:12:36,640
you.

1619
05:12:36,800 --> 05:12:36,840
None.

1620
05:12:39,560 --> 05:12:39,860
All right.

1621
05:12:39,900 --> 05:12:42,300
Next we have public comment session.

1622
05:12:43,280 --> 05:12:45,160
Jennifer, you said we do have people signed up tonight.

1623
05:12:48,270 --> 05:13:17,770
Yes, we have 12, I'm sorry 13 folks, I'm sorry, I'm trying to call the list up on the TV over here on the side, so that those in the audience can see when they're up next, and I will say before the chair tells you the roles that there are a few people, board members that have signed up.

1624
05:13:17,770 --> 05:13:26,370
for one of the action items on tonight's agenda that was previously a quasi judicial hearing

1625
05:13:26,370 --> 05:13:32,790
and I think the accounting attorney wanted to give you some guidance about those comments.

1626
05:13:33,930 --> 05:13:40,930
If it's okay, commissioners, I just wanted to say something to you all and also to the public about quasi judicial hearings.

1627
05:13:41,370 --> 05:13:42,770
Can everyone hear me?

1628
05:13:43,430 --> 05:13:43,850
Okay.

1629
05:13:46,530 --> 05:13:48,770
I can come up there if that's better.

1630
05:13:48,770 --> 05:13:49,550
You have to have a speaker.

1631
05:13:49,810 --> 05:13:51,330
That mic works a lot better.

1632
05:13:54,280 --> 05:13:54,820
Thanks Emily.

1633
05:14:11,780 --> 05:14:12,280
Is that on?

1634
05:14:12,440 --> 05:14:12,540
Yeah.

1635
05:14:13,580 --> 05:14:13,860
All right.

1636
05:14:13,960 --> 05:14:18,560
So I wanted to just say a little bit about quasi-judicial hearings for the commissioners.

1637
05:14:19,360 --> 05:14:24,560
quasi-judicial hearings or like court hearings, which means that you all are the judges.

1638
05:14:25,200 --> 05:14:29,140
And like court hearings, there is evidence presented to the judges.

1639
05:14:29,140 --> 05:14:34,200
And you must make your decision based on the evidence that is presented during the evidence

1640
05:14:34,200 --> 05:14:35,320
sharing hearing.

1641
05:14:35,860 --> 05:14:43,160
And your discretion is also limited by state law in that, like a judge, you're applying certain

1642
05:14:43,160 --> 05:14:46,940
factors that are in the zoning ordinance and looking at the evidence that was presented

1643
05:14:46,940 --> 05:14:47,800
to you.

1644
05:14:48,160 --> 05:14:55,200
So there was a hearing, quasi-digital hearing on lockly holdings in June 15th, and that

1645
05:14:55,200 --> 05:14:56,920
evidence you're hearing closed.

1646
05:14:57,600 --> 05:14:59,820
So that was the evidence you have to make your decision.

1647
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:08,900
Questions are very different than the typical legislative rezoning and it is confusing to the public because it's a different standard and there's evidence and it's limited.

1648
05:15:09,800 --> 05:15:12,760
But I just wanted to make sure that I explain that to you in the public.

1649
05:15:13,100 --> 05:15:15,660
Thank you. Thank you.

1650
05:15:16,910 --> 05:15:18,210
Can you leave that on please, Emily?

1651
05:15:19,370 --> 05:15:19,610
Yes.

1652
05:15:19,850 --> 05:15:20,330
I find them.

1653
05:15:20,490 --> 05:15:29,350
It is hard. That's why I just leave it on because I struggle. All right, so I'm going to read the following for those getting ready to participate in public comment.

1654
05:15:29,350 --> 05:15:32,870
Just now, we want to remind speakers that they will have three minutes to speak.

1655
05:15:33,270 --> 05:15:35,630
The green light illuminates for the first two minutes.

1656
05:15:36,090 --> 05:15:40,830
The yellow light then illuminates along with one beep to let you know that they have one minute remaining.

1657
05:15:41,470 --> 05:15:46,070
The red light illuminates along with three beeps when the three minutes have expired.

1658
05:15:46,210 --> 05:15:50,850
If possible, it's appreciated if you can please provide a copy of your comments to the

1659
05:15:50,850 --> 05:15:55,470
clerk in writing over here and please speak directly into the microphone provided the podium.

1660
05:15:55,470 --> 05:15:58,930
everyone can hear you. Thank you.

1661
05:15:59,490 --> 05:16:03,110
So the first three speakers are Lisa Johnson,

1662
05:16:03,850 --> 05:16:06,350
to Wayne Campbell and Jan Phillips.

1663
05:16:10,150 --> 05:16:11,650
Nobody? Oh.

1664
05:16:31,510 --> 05:16:37,450
Hello again. I'm Lisa Johnson, a resident on Campbell Road for the majority of my lives.

1665
05:16:37,690 --> 05:16:42,970
It's 1976. My experience with the Chan County Plain Board employees,

1666
05:16:42,970 --> 05:16:50,490
the Vazerie Bower Commissioners' Sheriff's Department, et cetera, has been somewhat limited

1667
05:16:50,490 --> 05:16:57,110
to the request of Lockley Holdings' Bear Creek Fabrications. I must share that my experience

1668
05:16:57,110 --> 05:17:03,550
has not left me with a good feeling of community trust and leadership. With the first request

1669
05:17:03,550 --> 05:17:10,030
being a petition for rezoning, to have the industrial which was withdrawn, the neighborhood position

1670
05:17:10,030 --> 05:17:16,230
was not in favor of the evidence by the position in the input gather at that time. Fast forward

1671
05:17:16,230 --> 05:17:23,990
to today, where nothing has changed, just that we have an issue P, the quasi-traditional hearing.

1672
05:17:25,170 --> 05:17:32,110
Allowing input by so-called experts only, which testify to the drive of the side of the business

1673
05:17:32,110 --> 05:17:38,730
for traffic and not the neighborhood, which is the neighborhood complaint, not to mention the owner,

1674
05:17:38,730 --> 05:17:48,070
or a so-called expert to his own request and a praiser of which any research can show you is

1675
05:17:48,070 --> 05:17:52,380
subjective in any way.

1676
05:17:55,890 --> 05:17:59,350
I am the resident of Chatham County because I believe the EDO

1677
05:17:59,350 --> 05:18:05,550
in force today supports my lifestyle. Preserving the role character was identified as one of the

1678
05:18:05,550 --> 05:18:12,310
most important goals during the planning process. We believe that clean water while lives

1679
05:18:12,310 --> 05:18:19,010
in its beauty, peace and quiet, free of noise and air pollution, it's what our community wants

1680
05:18:19,010 --> 05:18:25,050
represented, approving a project that plain chatom was designed to protect, can a road public

1681
05:18:25,050 --> 05:18:31,890
trust in the planning and regulatory process. We, the residents, feel unheard and excluded when

1682
05:18:31,890 --> 05:18:38,570
their concerns about public health and will be in our overwritten, by industrial interests.

1683
05:18:38,570 --> 05:18:46,670
The current facility, a significantly diminished the quality of life for residents through constant disturbances.

1684
05:18:47,390 --> 05:18:50,610
The ambience of our role neighborhood character is threatened.

1685
05:18:51,010 --> 05:18:54,910
This rezoning request if approved while I add to this burden.

1686
05:18:56,050 --> 05:18:58,870
I have said there's ever requests before the planning board,

1687
05:18:59,070 --> 05:19:04,650
and which requests have immediate significant negative impacts on the neighborhood,

1688
05:19:04,650 --> 05:19:09,790
which is not all set with positive benefits to the community or the county.

1689
05:19:10,510 --> 05:19:12,690
We have to do a better job at this.

1690
05:19:13,230 --> 05:19:14,670
We're not opposed to businesses.

1691
05:19:15,370 --> 05:19:19,430
We are simply saying the native impacts far outweigh the benefits.

1692
05:19:20,070 --> 05:19:23,670
Whilst a year's to a business that employs less than 25 people,

1693
05:19:24,550 --> 05:19:27,310
which brings no revenue to this county,

1694
05:19:27,710 --> 05:19:32,710
because the income is realized elsewhere through multi-state operation.

1695
05:19:32,710 --> 05:19:40,370
The neighborhood characters disrupted to satisfy the request or with no positive benefits

1696
05:19:40,370 --> 05:19:47,490
to this county. If as you pay permits or quasi-traditional, then we have taken away public

1697
05:19:47,490 --> 05:19:54,750
input. It appears the county has somewhat adopted the mindset that if block A through Z is checked,

1698
05:19:54,750 --> 05:19:59,470
they cannot say no, taking zoning, classified as our one.

1699
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:07,220
I'm allowing business ventures, removes the residential impact. If the issue pay is a matter of checking

1700
05:20:07,220 --> 05:20:13,140
out boxes, as it is a pretty, I think we could hire a box checker and save plenty of time on

1701
05:20:13,140 --> 05:20:17,900
the agenda. We must consider things long-term, so I'm going to be a bit of an investment,

1702
05:20:18,400 --> 05:20:23,380
and the environmental impacts on the neighborhoods. Thank you.

1703
05:20:29,930 --> 05:20:35,510
Well, I'm Duane Campbell, a wife and I live at the intersection of Bernie Phillips Road and Campbell Road,

1704
05:20:36,150 --> 05:20:41,210
When I'm speaking about it is the special use permit also by a barricade fabrication.

1705
05:20:41,850 --> 05:20:45,430
We're right there at the intersection where all the traffic comes out from this business.

1706
05:20:45,990 --> 05:20:49,570
Employees, tractor trailers, that type of thing.

1707
05:20:50,550 --> 05:20:53,110
I've lived in this neighborhood all my life.

1708
05:20:53,950 --> 05:20:56,970
I'm concerned about preserving our rural quality of life.

1709
05:20:57,550 --> 05:21:00,890
Six generations of my family have lived here in this neighborhood.

1710
05:21:00,890 --> 05:21:05,830
And the past generations, they've worked hard and sacrificed to preserve our area to make

1711
05:21:05,830 --> 05:21:08,750
this a great and safe place to live and raise the family.

1712
05:21:09,630 --> 05:21:15,870
We've had to privilege to hunt fish, walk, ride bikes, and horses here in addition to raising

1713
05:21:15,870 --> 05:21:16,310
livestock.

1714
05:21:16,990 --> 05:21:22,570
This is a rural community where we're willing to fight to preserve for our children.

1715
05:21:22,970 --> 05:21:25,870
I'm mopping in this business, shouldn't have been put in here to start away.

1716
05:21:25,870 --> 05:21:31,390
the county made mistake of letting this business start and are you just going to let it multiply

1717
05:21:31,390 --> 05:21:39,230
and compound the issues. We're concerned if any special use per meter res on and in the future

1718
05:21:39,230 --> 05:21:44,950
is approved this may eventually in the future lead to multiple shifts at night and weekends.

1719
05:21:45,770 --> 05:21:51,250
We're already dealing with the noise and steel beams being moved around which can be heard inside

1720
05:21:51,250 --> 05:21:56,770
our home. And the noise and tractor trailers, which is not limited to daytime hours only.

1721
05:21:56,790 --> 05:22:01,150
It was an example to a clock this morning. It was a tractor trailer coming in. I don't think

1722
05:22:01,150 --> 05:22:06,690
any of y'all would want to hear that in your house at dual clock in the morning. Most people wouldn't.

1723
05:22:07,970 --> 05:22:13,590
From I understand in a special part, a special use permit will allow additional storage and

1724
05:22:13,590 --> 05:22:19,510
staging area, which will increase the movement of steel beams and the noise factor along with

1725
05:22:19,510 --> 05:22:20,990
I encourage you to track your trailers.

1726
05:22:21,970 --> 05:22:23,690
One big issue is definitely the traffic,

1727
05:22:23,890 --> 05:22:27,410
the speed and the traffic that stops on is the major issue.

1728
05:22:27,970 --> 05:22:29,730
A couple of weeks ago, I just sat in the notice

1729
05:22:29,730 --> 05:22:31,910
whenever we're getting off there, it was 15 vehicles

1730
05:22:31,910 --> 05:22:35,210
come through that stops on, 12 of them stopped.

1731
05:22:36,330 --> 05:22:40,310
Also, I wanted a property that was mentioned in Bradshaw

1732
05:22:40,310 --> 05:22:43,410
in Robinson's presentation, that is on light industrial.

1733
05:22:43,670 --> 05:22:46,670
My property is right off the exit ramp before 21,

1734
05:22:46,670 --> 05:22:54,050
and brings another noise or employee traffic factor like we have at the Bear Creek Fabrications.

1735
05:22:54,550 --> 05:22:57,090
We've had been there 20 plus years of on that land.

1736
05:22:57,090 --> 05:23:00,090
We've had zero complaints from the neighbors.

1737
05:23:01,270 --> 05:23:06,930
I would also like to make it known that I live approximately 1.5 miles from this property that I'm home.

1738
05:23:07,290 --> 05:23:11,550
Mr. Dyer grew up in Chaddam County, but he does not currently live close to the business,

1739
05:23:11,870 --> 05:23:13,490
nor even in Chaddam County.

1740
05:23:13,490 --> 05:23:20,510
Back Greek fabrication LLC is affected our daily life and rural community and we did not want additional

1741
05:23:20,510 --> 05:23:27,090
negative impacts compounded. Some of us had already ordered our daily walks, start walking in

1742
05:23:27,090 --> 05:23:32,350
our own neighborhood for safety reasons. Those of us are in the opposition of this request or

1743
05:23:32,350 --> 05:23:37,570
the ones who live here and will be forced to deal with the repercussions from years to come.

1744
05:23:38,330 --> 05:23:40,730
Thank you for your time. Thank you.

1745
05:23:50,170 --> 05:23:52,590
Good evening. My name is Jan Phillips and I live on

1746
05:23:55,390 --> 05:24:11,650
I'm here to speak tonight on the SUP for Lockley Holdings, I would like to address the ongoing issues in our neighborhood regarding the noise and traffic, which is a constant nuisance six days a week and the safety of our well-being and our children.

1747
05:24:11,650 --> 05:24:18,630
We have respectfully and neighborly addressed our concerns with the owner, his representatives,

1748
05:24:20,470 --> 05:24:23,410
the county, government officials and employees.

1749
05:24:24,250 --> 05:24:26,650
We have spoken truthfully about the issues.

1750
05:24:27,230 --> 05:24:30,450
We have stated the facts as we live in them every day.

1751
05:24:30,970 --> 05:24:33,470
We feel that it is fallen on deaf ears.

1752
05:24:34,530 --> 05:24:38,370
It has been stated that there were no official compliance on file.

1753
05:24:38,830 --> 05:24:40,830
Shame on us for being good neighbors.

1754
05:24:40,830 --> 05:24:45,970
As directed by the last planning board meeting, we were told we could file our complaints

1755
05:24:45,970 --> 05:24:47,270
with the Sheriff's Department.

1756
05:24:47,970 --> 05:24:53,030
We have met with Sheriff Steve Manor regarding the noise and the traffic issues.

1757
05:24:53,970 --> 05:24:58,070
Ron Dowd has told us he will continue to grow and expand his business.

1758
05:24:58,630 --> 05:24:59,890
He has 15 acres.

1759
05:25:00,050 --> 05:25:20,830
He currently operates on that is owned having industrial. And he has room to grow on that. By allowing the SUP for an additional lay-down area, he can use that to free up space on the current 15 acres to grow and possibly put up another building, which he has stated he's already looked into.

1760
05:25:21,470 --> 05:25:30,030
It appears to be a pattern to stay within minimum limits set by the county to grow one small step at a time.

1761
05:25:30,430 --> 05:25:33,870
The box is getting checked and that's why we're here today.

1762
05:25:34,750 --> 05:25:41,090
In this case, it would mean we will end up with a small industrial park in our real residential neighborhood.

1763
05:25:41,930 --> 05:25:45,310
Heavy industrial does not belong in a rural neighborhood.

1764
05:25:45,470 --> 05:25:47,550
It belongs in an industrial park.

1765
05:25:47,550 --> 05:25:51,670
The big picture needs to be looked at, and it should stop here.

1766
05:25:52,250 --> 05:25:57,050
The very thing that Chatham County stands out for our rural agriculture area,

1767
05:25:57,670 --> 05:26:01,250
by allowing as she pees to be filed under quasi-judicial,

1768
05:26:02,030 --> 05:26:05,230
it takes away the residents' voices to be heard.

1769
05:26:05,810 --> 05:26:08,950
Yet we have to live with the decisions that are made from those.

1770
05:26:09,250 --> 05:26:12,730
So we feel the commissioners need to pause and take a serious look

1771
05:26:13,130 --> 05:26:16,790
at the issues in our neighborhood before voting yes.

1772
05:26:16,790 --> 05:26:19,130
Thank you for a lot of me to speak tonight,

1773
05:26:25,060 --> 05:26:25,600
Mr. Ruth.

1774
05:26:27,660 --> 05:26:29,420
Good evening, my name is Sean Ruth.

1775
05:26:29,620 --> 05:26:38,580
I'm a joining landowner, just across the road from the concrete fabrications.

1776
05:26:39,720 --> 05:26:47,020
First off, I'd like to make a formal apology to Council Rick Nick Robinson and Brian

1777
05:26:47,020 --> 05:26:55,180
out and socialist at the July 7th planning board, I made some accusations of blatant lies.

1778
05:26:56,960 --> 05:27:05,520
My comments were an exaggeration to what I perceived as a denial of due process, simply

1779
05:27:05,520 --> 05:27:16,780
as that, having said that I had to bring up a couple legal issues that I disagree with

1780
05:27:16,780 --> 05:27:26,240
Council on one an expansion of a grandfathered non-conforming use is prohibited by

1781
05:27:26,240 --> 05:27:35,340
Chattam County's only regulations 8-3.4. Section 8-4 C states that a change

1782
05:27:35,340 --> 05:27:42,300
can be given. From one non-conforming use to another non-conforming use,

1783
05:27:42,300 --> 05:27:50,840
shall not be permitted in the case of a non-conforming use, which is primarily a use of open land,

1784
05:27:51,380 --> 05:28:05,200
which is clear to what we have before us today. Section 10, 6, dot 2c, the proposed useful

1785
05:28:05,200 --> 05:28:10,700
affected, virtually health, safety of residents, or workers in the chat, I'm counting.

1786
05:28:11,580 --> 05:28:16,580
Obviously, the stands are raised with increased space.

1787
05:28:17,680 --> 05:28:20,060
You're going to have increased deliverance.

1788
05:28:21,660 --> 05:28:26,560
More places to put the steel beams, the more trucks are going to come in and place them

1789
05:28:26,560 --> 05:28:27,280
there.

1790
05:28:29,180 --> 05:28:32,820
The UDO, I bring up, apparently,

1791
05:28:35,150 --> 05:28:39,730
does not allow for special use permits, and my understanding

1792
05:28:39,730 --> 05:28:40,810
is the UDO.

1793
05:28:41,010 --> 05:28:45,670
We come effective next June, I believe.

1794
05:28:47,010 --> 05:28:55,070
So my position here would be why, why allow it now, and we know there will be no situation

1795
05:28:55,070 --> 05:28:58,730
or specialties permit will be permitted.

1796
05:28:59,670 --> 05:29:03,350
One last thing, the application specialties permit

1797
05:29:03,350 --> 05:29:06,310
is not on all fours with manuals,

1798
05:29:06,470 --> 05:29:08,070
put forth by the UDL.

1799
05:29:09,410 --> 05:29:12,550
Particularly, preserve the rule character

1800
05:29:12,550 --> 05:29:14,970
in life style of child counting,

1801
05:29:16,530 --> 05:29:20,070
preserve, protect, enable agriculture and forestry,

1802
05:29:21,170 --> 05:29:24,190
promote a compact growth pattern by developing

1803
05:29:24,190 --> 05:29:29,950
in an air-existing task communities, and a well-designated, well-planed,

1804
05:29:30,130 --> 05:29:31,830
workable, mixed-use centers.

1805
05:29:33,410 --> 05:29:36,310
The policy of the post-alty community I was walking

1806
05:29:36,310 --> 05:29:37,530
by a new section.

1807
05:29:41,270 --> 05:29:45,230
And the addition and my understanding is of sections

1808
05:29:45,230 --> 05:29:48,190
that Ragged's involving, you know,

1809
05:29:48,190 --> 05:29:57,970
ways I did initial hearings, the board can hear new evidence as long as material and

1810
05:29:57,970 --> 05:29:59,970
substantial dirt.

1811
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:05,480
Good evening. Good evening.

1812
05:30:14,770 --> 05:30:22,910
My name is Rick Phillips, and I live in 1991, Campbell Road. So I'm about 1100 feet adjacent to the likely holdings of the Barricard Medal

1813
05:30:23,750 --> 05:30:37,170
Fabrication. I'm trying to minimize my time because you've heard some things and we've been here multiple times before. The biggest thing is the Chattam plan goes that I found on the Chattam County website.

1814
05:30:37,170 --> 05:30:44,330
It's a preserved rural character in lifestyle, and this in no way meets that, the number one list of gold in here.

1815
05:30:44,470 --> 05:30:52,310
My, in our mind, when you can sit in your home, and I stress this before, when you can sit in your home,

1816
05:30:52,830 --> 05:30:57,690
and have to listen to the banging in the street in the dragon of metal, it's not a scenario.

1817
05:30:58,930 --> 05:31:05,430
And I can hear from there, we've got neighbors one mile away that said they can hear of the banging as well.

1818
05:31:05,430 --> 05:31:16,670
So I would encourage you to come visit the site, to come visit, come out there and visit it during the week, and so you can hear exactly what we've got going on.

1819
05:31:17,570 --> 05:31:22,130
We can't live our home, we can't get away from this unless we leave the house totally.

1820
05:31:23,750 --> 05:31:28,090
We've expressed concerns, again, about the traffic and the safety on the Can't Well and

1821
05:31:28,090 --> 05:31:28,850
Runny Phillips Road.

1822
05:31:28,930 --> 05:31:32,090
We've expressed concern about the streams and the ponds and the potential chemicals

1823
05:31:32,090 --> 05:31:38,270
that they're using as a mention before I'd reached out to the Director of the Chattam County

1824
05:31:38,270 --> 05:31:44,030
Emergency Planning Committee, Mr. Stephen Newton, and I understand that nothing has been filed.

1825
05:31:44,670 --> 05:31:47,010
It doesn't mean anything, just means nothing has been filed.

1826
05:31:48,350 --> 05:31:52,290
So, basically, we're looking at what's our next recourse of our

1827
05:31:52,290 --> 05:31:58,130
residents, the quasi-judicial format, basically as you've heard in

1828
05:31:58,130 --> 05:32:03,030
multiple comments already, the limits, it basically just eliminates our

1829
05:32:03,030 --> 05:32:07,550
voice in our mind, unless we want to go through the hassle and the

1830
05:32:07,550 --> 05:32:12,830
expense of hiring lawyers to sit there and make our voice known.

1831
05:32:18,330 --> 05:32:23,290
I was told not to bring this up, but I'm going to anyway because I don't listen well.

1832
05:32:26,930 --> 05:32:33,110
Life and I were at home, we did file a complaint on the noise to the sheriff's department.

1833
05:32:33,710 --> 05:32:40,190
Within a couple of days we got a prank phone call at 10 30 at night from to a cell phone.

1834
05:32:40,190 --> 05:32:44,450
They claim they were from the Chattam County Sheriff's Corps.

1835
05:32:45,150 --> 05:32:47,210
After about five minutes of trying to understand,

1836
05:32:47,390 --> 05:32:49,050
and they said they were the only one there,

1837
05:32:50,650 --> 05:32:52,790
we said it's in the deputy out talk to us.

1838
05:32:52,990 --> 05:32:55,710
They wanted to know about why we had filed a complaint

1839
05:32:55,710 --> 05:32:58,670
or if we had filed a complaint against Ryan Doud

1840
05:32:58,670 --> 05:33:00,090
as a no-est complaint.

1841
05:33:00,730 --> 05:33:02,670
So I don't know how that went forward

1842
05:33:04,350 --> 05:33:06,270
to somebody from now outside.

1843
05:33:06,770 --> 05:33:09,370
I'm sure Ryan was probably contacted.

1844
05:33:09,970 --> 05:33:16,400
whether a notification was put on as bulletin board or whatever, but I can tell you from a husband's standpoint I certainly didn't appreciate it.

1845
05:33:17,090 --> 05:33:23,490
And we call the sheriff's department that night spoke to someone and we fully expect to hear more about it.

1846
05:33:24,150 --> 05:33:29,610
So, again, we have requested you guys to take a deeper consideration of this.

1847
05:33:29,890 --> 05:33:36,350
And tonight any further expansion of use for residential only industrial.

1848
05:33:36,690 --> 05:33:37,230
Thank you.

1849
05:33:37,230 --> 05:33:40,130
So thank you very much for letting us speak.

1850
05:33:45,500 --> 05:33:50,440
Billy Cummings, Melissa Semanola and Clyde Frazier.

1851
05:33:56,260 --> 05:33:56,960
Good evening.

1852
05:33:57,260 --> 05:33:57,600
Good evening.

1853
05:33:58,100 --> 05:34:01,300
It's good to see you all and I wanted to thank you for your public service.

1854
05:34:01,620 --> 05:34:05,900
I know you've been working hard and you've got a lot of hot potatoes to juggle.

1855
05:34:06,940 --> 05:34:07,420
Okay.

1856
05:34:08,020 --> 05:34:11,180
I'm just thanking our commissioners for listening to us the other week.

1857
05:34:11,400 --> 05:34:14,020
And I'm here again on really to say,

1858
05:34:14,020 --> 05:34:19,660
issue, I live in Hadley Township, I've been in Shadow since 1972,

1859
05:34:22,460 --> 05:34:23,600
and I'm representing a new

1860
05:34:23,600 --> 05:34:30,560
organization today called Nuts. That's neighbors united to stop the Enbridge Data Center

1861
05:34:30,560 --> 05:34:37,440
invasion. And I really only have three main things to share with you today, or to bring

1862
05:34:37,440 --> 05:34:42,680
to your attention. I know you had a good work session today, and I presume, or I would hope,

1863
05:34:42,680 --> 05:34:46,880
that some of these issues have come up in your discussions and I hope you'll be transparent

1864
05:34:47,420 --> 05:34:53,380
and let us know where you're thinking and what's going on. I would love and I know most of

1865
05:34:53,380 --> 05:34:59,560
my neighbors and really the whole county has aroused. I've been done in the

1866
05:34:59,560 --> 05:34:59,960
and here.

1867
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:28,820
Bill and Hickley Mountain, a good deal, lightly delivering meals on the wheels and other things. And the signs are everywhere. And the people are talking that old people that are getting their meals and make a grown man, would make a grown man cry some of what you're here down there along that pipeline where people that are losing their property and appreciate the chairperson's comments on that and they are in our thoughts. That's why I'm here. I live a little bit far away, but we're all neighbors in this county.

1868
05:35:28,820 --> 05:35:35,980
First, I hope that you'll change the ordinances and require a special use permit for a gas pipeline.

1869
05:35:37,340 --> 05:35:38,660
That's what people want.

1870
05:35:38,880 --> 05:35:40,920
That's one step you could take, I believe.

1871
05:35:41,820 --> 05:35:46,820
Second, I hope that once you require that, I hope that when they give it, you'll deny it.

1872
05:35:47,320 --> 05:35:47,400
Of course.

1873
05:35:50,040 --> 05:35:57,320
And you know, I hope you're given some thought to that and you've got some good attorneys here in the county and I know they're advising you.

1874
05:35:57,760 --> 05:36:02,920
Second, I'm confused a little bit, I got one minute left, so I'll be real quick.

1875
05:36:04,160 --> 05:36:04,600
Moratorium.

1876
05:36:05,240 --> 05:36:08,640
Now I see some places, you can go up to 32 months for a moratorium.

1877
05:36:09,280 --> 05:36:12,760
Moratoriums are sweeping the country, strip weeping our state and all the other counties.

1878
05:36:13,480 --> 05:36:17,440
I say, let's kick the can down the road a little bit, we're learning more and more every

1879
05:36:17,440 --> 05:36:23,380
day about the impact of this pipeline and the threats to our rural character but our whole

1880
05:36:23,380 --> 05:36:27,120
life in Chatham County, and I hope you'll consider extending that

1881
05:36:27,120 --> 05:36:31,480
moratorium as long as you can legally and give us time to really make

1882
05:36:31,480 --> 05:36:35,520
a considered and reasonable decision about this. So I hope you'll share

1883
05:36:35,520 --> 05:36:41,120
what your perspective on that is. Finally, it's time to raise the

1884
05:36:41,120 --> 05:36:46,820
stakes with this whole business. And I want to announce that we're

1885
05:36:46,820 --> 05:36:54,260
demanding that Kirk Bradley surrender, that he withdraws his suit against the county.

1886
05:36:54,960 --> 05:37:01,300
And we're threatening, and ultimately, you do that back off Mr. Bradley, you're not from

1887
05:37:01,300 --> 05:37:01,960
here.

1888
05:37:01,960 --> 05:37:06,320
Otherwise, we're going to start a boycott of Mosaic, a boycott of Chad and Park, and we're

1889
05:37:06,320 --> 05:37:09,800
going to raise the stakes here, because that's what people want, so thank you for your

1890
05:37:09,800 --> 05:37:10,140
time.

1891
05:37:10,380 --> 05:37:11,160
Thank you, Mr. Company.

1892
05:37:22,020 --> 05:37:22,920
Good evening, Commissioner.

1893
05:37:22,920 --> 05:37:27,620
And as my name is Melissa Seminov and I live in Hickory Mountain Township, first I want to

1894
05:37:27,620 --> 05:37:28,520
thank this forward.

1895
05:37:28,560 --> 05:37:33,900
You've worked so hard to keep citizens informed and involved in decisions that affect

1896
05:37:33,900 --> 05:37:34,560
our county.

1897
05:37:35,140 --> 05:37:40,400
I want to recognize the public comment meeting held on August 5th as part of that effort.

1898
05:37:41,180 --> 05:37:46,620
I'm asking you tonight to think about what this pipeline means for farms, not some day,

1899
05:37:46,920 --> 05:37:50,060
but for families living in VAD land right now.

1900
05:37:50,060 --> 05:37:57,920
Let's start with Enbridge's own record, 2018 Greenpeace review of federal pipeline data found

1901
05:37:57,920 --> 05:38:04,520
between 2002, 2018 Enbridge, and its affiliates reported over 300 Sphilis nationwide,

1902
05:38:05,100 --> 05:38:12,840
one every 24 days on average during that period. In 2010, their line 6B ruptured

1903
05:38:12,840 --> 05:38:19,700
near Marshall, Michigan. It was 17 hours because the company misread the warning signs,

1904
05:38:19,700 --> 05:38:26,620
and then made it worse by increasing pressure on the line, that clean up cost over a billion dollars,

1905
05:38:26,800 --> 05:38:34,680
a billion dollars. That's the company asking to dig a trench across our farmland. And what

1906
05:38:34,680 --> 05:38:41,660
happens to the farmland independent research on pipelines like this, show soil compaction and crop

1907
05:38:41,660 --> 05:38:48,960
yield loss that can last for years, sometimes longer than a farmer has left to farm.

1908
05:38:50,750 --> 05:38:52,830
Drain tiles,

1909
05:38:54,890 --> 05:39:00,550
drain tiles get damaged, fences get cut, livestock, face, stray vaulted wrists at crossings.

1910
05:39:00,890 --> 05:39:03,950
None of that is fully covered by one-time construction payment.

1911
05:39:04,670 --> 05:39:06,970
Then there's what this does to people.

1912
05:39:07,550 --> 05:39:15,150
Peer reviewed studies of families living through pipeline projects like this one found real, measurable harm.

1913
05:39:15,150 --> 05:39:21,910
chronic stress, anxiety, even physical health problems made worse by frustration with public

1914
05:39:21,910 --> 05:39:29,310
and government process. Leaving them feeling like nothing they say matters. That's exactly

1915
05:39:29,310 --> 05:39:34,850
why we need a community bill of rights here in Chattam County. Commissioners are VAD District

1916
05:39:34,850 --> 05:39:41,590
protects protections exist for a reason to keep farmland informing. I'm asking you to use

1917
05:39:41,590 --> 05:39:44,870
every tool this board has to protect those forms,

1918
05:39:45,190 --> 05:39:48,430
demand real answers from end bridge and not let this decision

1919
05:39:49,250 --> 05:39:53,110
get made around our community instead of with it.

1920
05:39:53,170 --> 05:39:54,590
Thank you very much for the opportunity.

1921
05:40:03,380 --> 05:40:31,700
Good evening. And thank you for setting aside this time to hear from members of the community. For the record I implied Fraser, and for 50 years now, I've lived in northeast Chatham, off of Jack Bennett Road, at 361, Wild Ginger Ridge. I currently serve on the planning board. However, I want to make it as clear as I possibly can that I'm here tonight only as a citizen. Nothing I'm about to say has even been discussed by the planning board, not ever.

1922
05:40:31,700 --> 05:40:34,740
So, I am tonight speaking from a self alone.

1923
05:40:35,740 --> 05:40:43,340
I come before you to suggest a way that you might be able to get more influence over land development decisions in Chattam County.

1924
05:40:44,380 --> 05:40:49,920
When I listened to your discussion last month about Western Farm Webster Farm subdivision,

1925
05:40:50,640 --> 05:40:54,080
it was obvious that nobody was really thrilled with the project,

1926
05:40:54,680 --> 05:40:59,280
but there didn't seem to be grounds not to approve a bi-right subdivision.

1927
05:40:59,920 --> 05:41:06,360
I happened to know that Webster Farms was a buy-right subdivision only because it had water from

1928
05:41:06,360 --> 05:41:14,480
Stry River, and that without access to that water the number of lots would have had to been reduced by about a third.

1929
05:41:15,600 --> 05:41:21,280
So I decided to look up the county's agreement with the City of Sanford to transfer the county water system to

1930
05:41:21,280 --> 05:41:27,320
to try water. And what I found was interesting. According to the agreement, one of

1931
05:41:27,320 --> 05:41:33,980
try-wervers responsibilities is to quote, solicit input from the county on the future utility

1932
05:41:33,980 --> 05:41:40,380
service needs of the county. The agreement gives try-werver the authority to expand the system,

1933
05:41:40,520 --> 05:41:47,080
but requires that expansion quote, to accommodate the county's planned development in consultation

1934
05:41:47,080 --> 05:41:54,160
with the county. So that's twice that the contract calls for consultation. But as far as I

1935
05:41:54,160 --> 05:42:01,240
can tell there isn't any consultation currently taking place. If there is, it's not working very

1936
05:42:01,240 --> 05:42:07,000
well. Certainly there was no mention of consultation that you're meeting last month.

1937
05:42:08,120 --> 05:42:12,600
That part of the agreement as far as I can tell seems to have fallen through the cracks during

1938
05:42:12,600 --> 05:42:13,860
the change of management.

1939
05:42:16,380 --> 05:42:18,980
I don't need to tell you how important the availability of water

1940
05:42:18,980 --> 05:42:23,340
is to development, and I'm sure you're aware how much folks in that part of the county

1941
05:42:23,340 --> 05:42:29,380
want to protect their rural way of life. So I recommend that chatting with your attorney

1942
05:42:29,380 --> 05:42:36,220
and if, as I fully expect, you have the authority to do so, setting up a regular process of consultation

1943
05:42:36,220 --> 05:42:44,660
with dry water on waterline extensions. Your decisions won't always be easy, but I urge you to

1944
05:42:44,660 --> 05:42:49,920
seize this opportunity and take on this responsibility. You are our elected representatives

1945
05:42:49,920 --> 05:42:55,740
after all, and we need for you to use every tool that you have to direct the future development

1946
05:42:55,740 --> 05:42:57,880
of the county. Thank you.

1947
05:43:04,270 --> 05:43:09,470
Mike Flissfack, Fishback Ruth Lett, and Peter Tilt.

1948
05:43:13,630 --> 05:43:21,610
I'm my fish back 900, Highland Trail, Baldwin Township, as this morning I took the stroll

1949
05:43:21,610 --> 05:43:29,310
and saw some red signs that expressed opposition to the Enbridge pipeline, so I did some

1950
05:43:29,310 --> 05:43:37,230
research community library and found some things that Enbridge has put out as far as their

1951
05:43:37,230 --> 05:43:40,030
answers to frequently asked questions.

1952
05:43:40,230 --> 05:43:41,570
I don't believe their answers.

1953
05:43:42,950 --> 05:43:47,830
And I'll refer you to the report that NC Warren made

1954
05:43:47,830 --> 05:43:51,890
about the August 5th meeting that was largely concerned

1955
05:43:51,890 --> 05:43:54,030
with pipeline issues.

1956
05:43:54,550 --> 05:43:59,750
My colleague, Professor Susie Crate, made some comments

1957
05:44:00,360 --> 05:44:06,780
that I agree with talking about listening to the people.

1958
05:44:06,780 --> 05:44:10,660
And I'll leave these documents with you.

1959
05:44:11,420 --> 05:44:17,540
And there's one element of the frequently asked questions that in

1960
05:44:17,540 --> 05:44:29,040
Enbridge published, it was talked about the way the interstate approval is given,

1961
05:44:30,300 --> 05:44:37,180
Where in trust states within the state, the same oversight is not offered.

1962
05:44:37,720 --> 05:44:44,300
So I'd like to suggest that we speak with the state and federal representatives to allow

1963
05:44:44,300 --> 05:44:50,600
the or permit the North Carolina Utilities Commission to be the approving body.

1964
05:44:50,600 --> 05:44:59,980
And also, I wanted to say that, the people at NC Warren in particular Sarah.

1965
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:12,160
I'm in the clean energy strategist pointed out that the fossil fuel infrastructure just entrances us further in a fossil fuel future.

1966
05:45:13,260 --> 05:45:18,540
And she said that she thought it was important that we feel these businesses with clean energy.

1967
05:45:19,240 --> 05:45:29,980
Local solar installations, battery installations that are faster to install, cheaper, much more equitable, less polluting than those proposed fossil fuel products.

1968
05:45:29,980 --> 05:45:36,940
projects. I don't believe what they're saying about this gas pipeline isn't going to help

1969
05:45:36,940 --> 05:45:45,620
the data centers and we see nationwide moratorium and grassroots opposition to these data

1970
05:45:45,620 --> 05:45:51,020
centers. When the county commission approved the original chat and part development, I don't

1971
05:45:51,020 --> 05:45:58,960
think proper consideration was given to the water resources and it's troubling that enrich is

1972
05:45:58,960 --> 05:46:03,960
going to be digging under the rocky river and the harbor to make this pipeline.

1973
05:46:04,760 --> 05:46:08,340
So I'll leave with the clerk with the documents that I brought.

1974
05:46:08,480 --> 05:46:09,160
Thank you.

1975
05:46:17,300 --> 05:46:18,740
Hi, my name is Ruth Light.

1976
05:46:18,980 --> 05:46:21,400
I'm 970 WR Clark Road.

1977
05:46:21,880 --> 05:46:22,140
Pittsburgh.

1978
05:46:22,680 --> 05:46:23,620
I'm from Silk Hope.

1979
05:46:24,300 --> 05:46:29,420
I want to thank the planning board for rejecting the rezoning of farm land and still

1980
05:46:29,420 --> 05:46:31,640
cope for a cricket field.

1981
05:46:32,480 --> 05:46:35,540
Most of the board members listen to us.

1982
05:46:35,540 --> 05:46:43,660
The neighbors, they listened to them, and they acknowledged our concerns and the concerns

1983
05:46:43,660 --> 05:46:45,120
of the Silkope community.

1984
05:46:46,060 --> 05:46:52,820
They also followed the land use plan, and recognized this rezoning proposal did not fit

1985
05:46:52,820 --> 05:46:55,940
with the agricultural designation of the plan.

1986
05:46:56,720 --> 05:47:03,500
The land use plan is a good document, I know is still needing some work, I'm still trying

1987
05:47:03,500 --> 05:47:08,680
to read it, but it's a good template for managing growth

1988
05:47:08,680 --> 05:47:10,100
in Chattam County.

1989
05:47:11,260 --> 05:47:16,640
Please make sure your appointees to the planning board.

1990
05:47:17,500 --> 05:47:21,860
Understand, they represent Chattam County,

1991
05:47:22,560 --> 05:47:26,000
not other entities like Sanford,

1992
05:47:26,200 --> 05:47:28,700
which one of the planning board members mentioned

1993
05:47:28,700 --> 05:47:37,780
at our last meeting, or a private cricket field in Morrisville, North Carolina, or individual

1994
05:47:37,780 --> 05:47:41,480
real estate or political party people.

1995
05:47:42,260 --> 05:47:50,320
The focus should be on the residents from Silkope to Monk your Bennett to North Chatham.

1996
05:47:52,240 --> 05:47:58,280
At Silkope service station this past week when I was putting up posters a couple weeks ago.

1997
05:47:58,280 --> 05:48:04,000
I was surrounded by farmers, while putting up that poster.

1998
05:48:05,360 --> 05:48:11,680
Chubs more, who owned Silk Hope Service, was very pleased that Commissioner Katie

1999
05:48:11,680 --> 05:48:14,960
Canlin had been there to visit him.

2000
05:48:16,380 --> 05:48:20,460
All of the farmers that surrounded me, I have to say I was startled.

2001
05:48:20,860 --> 05:48:22,000
They were all these people there.

2002
05:48:22,460 --> 05:48:28,020
They wanted to know the question they said, do Chad and county commissioners support

2003
05:48:28,020 --> 05:48:35,780
farmers. Do chat and county commissioners, but support the farming community. I hope you do.

2004
05:48:37,640 --> 05:48:44,240
I hope you will continue to show your support for those of us who do live in agricultural areas

2005
05:48:44,240 --> 05:48:51,320
and that you will make sure that people you appoint to the planning board do as well. Thank you.

2006
05:49:02,010 --> 05:49:20,690
Good evening. I was struck by, I think, a lawyer here earlier, apologizing to some development lawyers here, and I would just simply say that I would never apologize to them, which is probably why I was kicked off the foam board.

2007
05:49:21,750 --> 05:49:28,510
Anyways, I have not Peter 5, 1065, Bethel Road, I live in Jordan, Chadding County, I'm protected,

2008
05:49:28,810 --> 05:49:35,230
I'm in the subdivision, I don't live where Amanda lives who's being succumbed by Chadding

2009
05:49:35,230 --> 05:49:40,170
Park, but anyways, I haven't been here since Georgia Sear was elected chair, I haven't

2010
05:49:40,170 --> 05:49:41,050
had to.

2011
05:49:41,670 --> 05:49:47,630
I've noticed tonight that you guys are still dealing with the same lawyers and developers

2012
05:49:47,630 --> 05:49:56,970
wanting to abstract wealth from our county with no consideration for our land, our water or cultural heritage.

2013
05:49:57,970 --> 05:49:59,970
I want to thank each and every one of you.

2014
05:50:00,460 --> 05:50:11,840
I mean this, for the bottom of my heart, for your service to the county. My heart breaks with what's going on.

2015
05:50:13,840 --> 05:50:27,440
And what was the thing your man last hope? I'm 72. I'm retiring. I'm not working anymore, but I love what you guys are doing and thank you.

2016
05:50:27,440 --> 05:50:28,980
Thank you,

2017
05:50:34,360 --> 05:50:45,840
so did we, did we, I'd already came up, yeah, a Peter and then Guy Hatcher and Nick Robertson.

2018
05:50:50,040 --> 05:51:00,620
My name is Guy Hatcher. I live at 38. It's just so cold comes brings road to country driveways from the withdrawn cricket fields.

2019
05:51:00,620 --> 05:51:08,620
And I appreciate the recommendation of the planning board made and that on the July 7 meeting.

2020
05:51:09,220 --> 05:51:11,480
I appreciate it that they listened to us.

2021
05:51:12,020 --> 05:51:13,820
We all had different concerns.

2022
05:51:14,200 --> 05:51:15,340
We all expressed different concerns.

2023
05:51:15,660 --> 05:51:16,780
I think we all had the same concerns.

2024
05:51:17,800 --> 05:51:20,720
I appreciate you folks being willing to serve.

2025
05:51:21,260 --> 05:51:23,860
I was 72 years old as well to all deserve.

2026
05:51:24,660 --> 05:51:26,140
I probably would fall down if I did.

2027
05:51:26,140 --> 05:51:35,080
And I appreciate the fact that you take your time during the day and in the evenings to think about

2028
05:51:35,080 --> 05:51:43,080
chatem county. My wife and I moved to chatem county a few years ago specifically because of the

2029
05:51:43,080 --> 05:51:49,340
rural nature of the county. We lived in white county and lived in Holly Springs and it just got to be

2030
05:51:49,340 --> 05:51:55,820
crazy out there. Once they did the bypass and everything sprang up, the traffic was terrible and

2031
05:51:55,820 --> 05:52:00,220
we wanted a more peaceful place to retire and then bring our grandkids.

2032
05:52:02,720 --> 05:52:06,280
This is the first time that I've ever been involved in anything specific.

2033
05:52:07,640 --> 05:52:13,080
You know, these meetings and the planning board, and I enjoyed going to them.

2034
05:52:13,980 --> 05:52:20,160
I was concerned, however, during the planning board, that at least one of the members said

2035
05:52:20,160 --> 05:52:28,360
something that I thought was foolish, and was not well thought through, or was presidious.

2036
05:52:28,560 --> 05:52:29,120
I don't know.

2037
05:52:29,340 --> 05:52:31,880
I'm not sure what his real name was.

2038
05:52:32,780 --> 05:52:40,960
He said that when he grew up, there had been lots of farms around there, and now you

2039
05:52:40,960 --> 05:52:48,900
don't see any vegetable stands, any cotton fields, any tobacco fields, and so he was disputing

2040
05:52:48,900 --> 05:52:54,880
that this was a work, that the silk factory is a rural area, and that we were trying to preserve that.

2041
05:52:55,600 --> 05:53:06,900
Well, he might not see vegetable stands and tobacco fields and cotton fields, but I see cornfields, I see soy meat fields, I see cattle.

2042
05:53:07,940 --> 05:53:16,440
It is still a rural area. There are so lot of farmers, Ruth Light and her husband are examples of that.

2043
05:53:17,020 --> 05:53:23,320
We have a small family farm, and I want to emphasize what Ruth said.

2044
05:53:24,300 --> 05:53:27,880
You, please appoint people to understand the land use of

2045
05:53:27,880 --> 05:53:32,840
Jaddam County that understand the nature of the people that live in

2046
05:53:32,840 --> 05:53:33,300
Jaddam County.

2047
05:53:33,300 --> 05:53:35,700
The reason that people moved to Jaddam County,

2048
05:53:36,080 --> 05:53:36,840
they're coming here.

2049
05:53:37,100 --> 05:53:41,800
A lot of people are coming here by in 10 and 20 acre parcels,

2050
05:53:42,320 --> 05:53:45,400
because they want to get away from that rat race in Carey and

2051
05:53:45,400 --> 05:53:51,660
Apex and Holly Springs, please appoint people who understand

2052
05:53:52,320 --> 05:53:55,520
Chatham County, not people that represent developers,

2053
05:53:57,300 --> 05:53:59,300
realtors, attorneys, and that sort of thing.

2054
05:53:59,400 --> 05:54:00,420
Thank you very much.

2055
05:54:00,780 --> 05:54:01,600
Thank you.

2056
05:54:11,410 --> 05:54:11,950
Good evening.

2057
05:54:12,370 --> 05:54:13,210
Good evening, Board members.

2058
05:54:13,330 --> 05:54:13,870
I'm Nick Robinson.

2059
05:54:14,730 --> 05:54:17,810
I only put my name on the list to speak tonight, because I had seen that there were folks

2060
05:54:17,810 --> 05:54:18,830
on the Lockley Holdings.

2061
05:54:18,850 --> 05:54:20,270
Things that were going to speak tonight.

2062
05:54:20,790 --> 05:54:26,430
But I appreciate the comments of the Abel County Attorney, which is what I was going to say.

2063
05:54:26,650 --> 05:54:29,910
To only take into account what was in the quasi-judicial hearing.

2064
05:54:30,630 --> 05:54:32,510
And I will leave it at that. Thank you very much.

2065
05:54:37,790 --> 05:54:38,790
Tyler Patterson.

2066
05:54:44,850 --> 05:54:46,390
Good evening, commissioners.

2067
05:54:47,410 --> 05:54:48,490
My name is Tyler Patterson.

2068
05:54:48,490 --> 05:54:49,810
I live at 118.

2069
05:54:50,050 --> 05:54:58,070
I also want to start by thanking you all from the bottom of my heart for how you represent a

2070
05:54:58,070 --> 05:54:59,170
during the flood cameras.

2071
05:55:00,000 --> 05:55:12,220
Debate, really appreciate that. Tonight, this is in regards to the E.C. PROPCO Resoning request. If you'll indulge me a little bit of speculation,

2072
05:55:15,060 --> 05:55:27,340
I'm asking you guys to pump the brakes on expanding heavy industrial zoning, especially adjacent to triangle innovation point, so we have a clear picture of what is actually going on there.

2073
05:55:27,340 --> 05:55:34,460
We know that approximately 750 megawatt data center obviously is proposed at tip west.

2074
05:55:35,240 --> 05:55:38,040
We also have a proposed 12-inch natural gas expansion.

2075
05:55:38,820 --> 05:55:42,660
What we don't know is how this enormous electrical low will be served.

2076
05:55:43,320 --> 05:55:47,360
Whether large-scale temporary bridge back up or on-site generation could be involved

2077
05:55:47,360 --> 05:55:51,440
and what additional heavy industrial use may follow.

2078
05:55:51,440 --> 05:56:02,140
Um, counter-record show that Wade Barbara Jr., and his nephew Edward Holmes, Jr., both transferred significant family control land interest into E.C. Propco, which Holmes now manages,

2079
05:56:03,080 --> 05:56:08,720
Kirk Bradley, developer of tip west, uh, us publicly described Barbara as a close personal friend.

2080
05:56:09,260 --> 05:56:19,920
While this doesn't prove anything, uh, the location of this parcel, the request for rezoning to heavy industrial and that personal connection is just a reason to ask,

2081
05:56:19,920 --> 05:56:24,740
who this rezoning is ultimately intended to serve and what it aims to accomplish.

2082
05:56:26,340 --> 05:56:31,160
Some of the unknowns about this entire industrial corridor to me,

2083
05:56:31,780 --> 05:56:35,680
specific very specific air quality and public health concerns

2084
05:56:35,680 --> 05:56:41,440
involving the industrial scale gas combustion that is very probable.

2085
05:56:42,300 --> 05:56:48,500
Let's be honest, what quantities of carcinogenic byproducts of natural gas combustion

2086
05:56:48,500 --> 05:56:53,360
could be reaching our surrounding residential communities and for how long.

2087
05:56:54,080 --> 05:56:55,200
There's a lot of questions.

2088
05:56:56,000 --> 05:57:01,900
Tomorrow, there's a meeting specifically about data centers where we can address those concerns directly.

2089
05:57:02,160 --> 05:57:04,180
But tonight, my request is simpler.

2090
05:57:05,060 --> 05:57:09,140
Resoning residential land to heavy industrial is a consequential decision.

2091
05:57:09,960 --> 05:57:16,560
Please don't expand the industrial footprint while we're still trying to understand the air quality infrastructure,

2092
05:57:16,560 --> 05:57:22,220
for structure, public health consequences of what the existing industrial footprint is trying

2093
05:57:22,220 --> 05:57:27,680
to become and maintain the existing zoning until we have more answers.

2094
05:57:28,340 --> 05:57:29,600
Thank you.

2095
05:57:29,660 --> 05:57:30,380
Thank you.

2096
05:57:34,770 --> 05:57:35,450
That's everyone.

2097
05:57:36,730 --> 05:57:37,050
Great.

2098
05:57:37,350 --> 05:57:37,990
Thank you.

2099
05:57:51,040 --> 05:57:59,120
Next, we have public hearing, item 260433, all the public hearing requested by the Chattam County

2100
05:57:59,120 --> 05:58:03,680
board of commissioners for text amendments to the Chattam County zoning ordinance specifically

2101
05:58:03,680 --> 05:58:15,160
section one title section three bonafide farm exempt section 7.2 definitions section 10.13 zoning table permitted uses section

2102
05:58:15,160 --> 05:58:23,140
one for off street parking and loading and section one nine amendment to the zoning ordinance. These amendments are intended to maintain

2103
05:58:23,140 --> 05:58:31,300
compliance with recent legislative changes to the GS-160D and other statutes related to

2104
05:58:31,300 --> 05:58:36,020
the zoning ordinance, update, benefit, farm exemptions, and remove off-street parking

2105
05:58:36,020 --> 05:58:36,860
requirements.

2106
05:58:38,260 --> 05:58:43,400
Add all townships to the title and incorporate additional uses into the table of permitted

2107
05:58:43,400 --> 05:58:49,600
uses, modify staff participation, in legislative processes, and remove waiting periods

2108
05:58:49,600 --> 05:58:55,980
for application, receive middle call on planning staff to present this item.

2109
05:59:00,280 --> 05:59:01,220
Do we have anyone

2110
05:59:01,220 --> 05:59:03,420
signed up to speak on this item, Jennifer?

2111
05:59:05,780 --> 05:59:09,100
We do one speaker. And who do we have to present

2112
05:59:09,100 --> 05:59:13,760
Hunter? Thank you. Hunter, can you go ahead and give us the load down? Yeah, it's a little bit

2113
05:59:13,760 --> 05:59:19,180
less than that title was so long. We put a lot in the title, so you would know what we were

2114
05:59:19,180 --> 05:59:25,840
be discussing. So this is a text amendment package that has a lot of cleanups and sort of housekeeping

2115
05:59:25,840 --> 05:59:34,840
language that has come out from some recent state wall changes as well as a few that

2116
05:59:35,740 --> 05:59:42,920
a few state wall changes from last year that we just didn't get to yet so that we're also adding

2117
05:59:44,020 --> 05:59:50,740
One of those, the first example is adding all the townships in.

2118
05:59:51,220 --> 05:59:55,940
This is just something that we noticed we hadn't updated recently.

2119
05:59:56,680 --> 05:59:59,980
So this red line is just adding all the townships to the title of the...

2120
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:10,300
The zoning ordinance, this is just something that's been on the front page of the zoning ordinance since we've adopted it and would carry over into the UDO.

2121
06:00:11,100 --> 06:00:20,540
This huge slide of text is about comes from Senate Bill 401, session all 226-11.

2122
06:00:22,100 --> 06:00:28,740
these changes are already in effect. They don't really change anything for the bonafide farm

2123
06:00:28,740 --> 06:00:36,020
exemption just they tweak some language. It's a part of a law that I'd have read the whole

2124
06:00:36,020 --> 06:00:43,780
law but it's a lot about fisheries and coastal some of the ag uses that are more to do with the

2125
06:00:43,780 --> 06:00:53,820
Shrimp phishing things like that. One section was just updating the language. So what we did,

2126
06:00:54,000 --> 06:01:02,020
which is a lot with 160D, was essentially just copy the word, the copy it from the state law

2127
06:01:02,020 --> 06:01:09,760
and put it into the ordinance. It does update how you can become qualified for a bonafide

2128
06:01:11,460 --> 06:01:18,700
So you, like, have to have a tax assumption certificate issued by the Department of Revenue,

2129
06:01:19,280 --> 06:01:23,780
a copy of the property tax listing, showing that the property is eligible for participation in the present

2130
06:01:23,780 --> 06:01:29,760
use value program, pursuant to one of General Statute 105-277.3.

2131
06:01:30,800 --> 06:01:34,840
A copy of the farm owners or operators scheduled F from the owners or the operators,

2132
06:01:34,840 --> 06:01:41,940
most recent federal income tax return and or force management plan. That language is just a tiny bit

2133
06:01:41,940 --> 06:01:49,880
different than it was before. And so these are some of the housekeeping changes that we're adding

2134
06:01:51,000 --> 06:02:02,160
this paragraph just replaces the paragraph right here. It's very similar but instead of going through

2135
06:02:02,160 --> 06:02:07,740
just adding a bunch of different words and we just copied and pasted from the state law just

2136
06:02:07,740 --> 06:02:17,760
to be in compliance. We are also adding a variety of definitions to Section 7.2. We have

2137
06:02:18,780 --> 06:02:24,100
tweaks and definitions and just added them so I have them all here in red line. I'm not going to

2138
06:02:24,100 --> 06:02:28,320
go like to read them all. They're in your packet but public utility transmission line,

2139
06:02:28,320 --> 06:02:34,260
liquid fuel transmission line, a natural gas transmission line, major utility and minor utility.

2140
06:02:36,740 --> 06:02:43,600
We had major utility minor utility in our table of uses. They just did not have a definition.

2141
06:02:44,360 --> 06:02:49,100
So, over the last number of months to a year, we've had a few uses that we've mentioned in

2142
06:02:49,100 --> 06:02:56,200
our table of uses that didn't have definitions. And so we thought that would be a good idea for us

2143
06:02:56,200 --> 06:03:01,020
to define them if we're going to allow them in the table of uses.

2144
06:03:03,320 --> 06:03:09,120
We're also adding uses to table the table of permitted uses.

2145
06:03:09,940 --> 06:03:12,600
So we're not changing anything and we're not taking any uses away.

2146
06:03:13,200 --> 06:03:16,900
We're adding a process and we're adding some uses.

2147
06:03:17,200 --> 06:03:21,920
So there were a few that were added to the UDO during discussions

2148
06:03:21,920 --> 06:03:25,240
that we thought would be could be added.

2149
06:03:25,240 --> 06:03:34,000
while we're in the process of adopting and eventually utilizing our unified development ordinance.

2150
06:03:34,660 --> 06:03:45,520
So breweries and distilleries, either commercial or smaller scale, dog grooming with no boarding community gardens, family cemeteries.

2151
06:03:45,520 --> 06:03:50,760
So family cemeteries, we've had defined in several different ordinances.

2152
06:03:51,220 --> 06:04:01,120
They're always allowed and we they're part of the first plat and part of the final

2153
06:04:01,120 --> 06:04:07,020
plat review process in the planning department and the chatem county historical association

2154
06:04:07,920 --> 06:04:12,860
works with landowners to make sure access is granted to family cemeteries.

2155
06:04:12,860 --> 06:04:18,860
either way now they're just in the table of uses. We've also changed for residential uses.

2156
06:04:19,100 --> 06:04:25,380
We've added a special use permit that would also be subject to additional requirements of

2157
06:04:25,380 --> 06:04:34,120
section 17.9, which is the special study requirement for some uses that were added. So that's

2158
06:04:34,120 --> 06:04:42,840
liquid field transmission lines, natural gas transmission lines. Also commercial breweries and

2159
06:04:42,840 --> 06:04:50,200
community business zone area. They would also have to have a special use permit. Some people might want a brewery near them.

2160
06:04:50,520 --> 06:04:55,300
If they were in a neighborhood business, some people might not, so it would have a special use permit. Process.

2161
06:04:58,140 --> 06:04:59,980
Another big change that happened.

2162
06:05:00,000 --> 06:05:10,700
And very recently, with state law, is House Bill 162, session law, 2026-39. Essentially, that eliminated

2163
06:05:10,700 --> 06:05:18,400
all off street parking requirements in land use regulations in North Carolina. There were there are

2164
06:05:18,400 --> 06:05:24,320
20 coastal counties that have a car route and an exception, that they can regulate parking.

2165
06:05:26,540 --> 06:05:27,100
But

2166
06:05:27,100 --> 06:05:35,000
essentially parking lots any type of parking regulation that we have in our zoning ordinance currently

2167
06:05:35,890 --> 06:05:42,660
has to be removed. We discussed this with the county attorney and we've also discussed it with colleagues

2168
06:05:42,660 --> 06:05:49,340
at a conference recently and also on our planning listserv just to ask if that's really what the

2169
06:05:49,340 --> 06:05:56,260
legislature meant and it was it had unanimous support only one representative voted against it and

2170
06:05:56,260 --> 06:06:20,020
There are pros and cons to not requiring so much parking. Obviously you may want Walmart and Target to have a smaller parking and you also may not want to require a mom and pop grocery store or something to have so much parking that it makes their use cost prohibitive and then they can't have their business.

2171
06:06:20,020 --> 06:06:26,860
So, this will just now say reserved, so we might have another section 14 in the future.

2172
06:06:27,120 --> 06:06:30,760
Instead of deleting it and then having to redo the ordinance.

2173
06:06:32,720 --> 06:06:38,360
The next few slides are just all that slide is also just showing that it was all deleted.

2174
06:06:41,040 --> 06:06:45,380
Section 19.7, planning department prepares final analysis and recommendation.

2175
06:06:45,380 --> 06:06:56,200
This is a housekeeping item that was taken care of in the UDO, but we've added it here in the zoning ordinance.

2176
06:06:56,900 --> 06:07:04,080
This is just stating that planning staff don't won't be making recommendation on items to the planning board.

2177
06:07:04,180 --> 06:07:09,940
They will just have a report and analysis to aid the board in their decision.

2178
06:07:09,940 --> 06:07:14,340
So we removed and recommendation and just added that.

2179
06:07:15,400 --> 06:07:19,440
So we will present our findings and then they can do

2180
06:07:19,440 --> 06:07:20,940
with that what they will.

2181
06:07:21,780 --> 06:07:25,160
And then section 19.11 is the one I mentioned earlier.

2182
06:07:25,480 --> 06:07:26,240
This was a state.

2183
06:07:26,360 --> 06:07:31,480
This was a change to 160D that happened in a previous state law update.

2184
06:07:32,700 --> 06:07:39,920
And this we are changing because we had in our

2185
06:07:41,620 --> 06:07:46,780
either word denied, so if you had an application denied, or you withdrew an application,

2186
06:07:47,040 --> 06:07:50,900
you had to wait a year if you were going to submit the exact same thing. Now you don't

2187
06:07:50,900 --> 06:07:58,600
have to wait a year. You can just start the process again. So that's the red line language

2188
06:07:58,600 --> 06:08:04,200
there. And this is, those are the, that's the extent of the changes. There should be one more.

2189
06:08:04,440 --> 06:08:09,460
Yep. So if you have any questions for me, I know we have a person signed up to speak.

2190
06:08:09,460 --> 06:08:14,460
So we can hear them and then questions or if you have questions, I'll try to answer them.

2191
06:08:16,650 --> 06:08:17,170
Any questions?

2192
06:08:17,790 --> 06:08:18,030
Right now.

2193
06:08:19,270 --> 06:08:19,390
Okay.

2194
06:08:19,710 --> 06:08:20,030
Thank you.

2195
06:08:20,170 --> 06:08:20,370
All right.

2196
06:08:21,310 --> 06:08:21,990
All right.

2197
06:08:22,190 --> 06:08:25,210
I'll go ahead and read the following for the person that signed up to speak.

2198
06:08:25,830 --> 06:08:27,210
Speakers will have two minutes to speak.

2199
06:08:27,430 --> 06:08:29,130
The green light illuminates for the first minute.

2200
06:08:29,270 --> 06:08:31,290
The yellow light illuminates along with one beep.

2201
06:08:31,590 --> 06:08:33,630
To let the speaker know when they have one minute remaining.

2202
06:08:34,210 --> 06:08:37,730
The red light illuminates along with three beeps when the two minutes have expired.

2203
06:08:37,730 --> 06:08:42,710
If possible, please provide a copy of your comments to the clerk in writing and speak directly

2204
06:08:42,710 --> 06:08:44,510
into the microphone at the platform.

2205
06:08:46,550 --> 06:08:48,750
So the one person is John Alderman?

2206
06:08:57,560 --> 06:08:58,460
Good evening.

2207
06:09:01,120 --> 06:09:03,160
John Alderman, Hickley Mountain Township.

2208
06:09:03,620 --> 06:09:06,500
Commissioners, thank you for hosting this public hearing.

2209
06:09:07,160 --> 06:09:12,560
Since mid-April, rural Chattam County citizens have been fighting a huge Canadian gas pipeline

2210
06:09:12,560 --> 06:09:16,560
companies plans to take our property by imminent domain.

2211
06:09:16,560 --> 06:09:22,140
Over there in suing months, it became clear that we could not expect help from Washington

2212
06:09:22,140 --> 06:09:22,880
DC.

2213
06:09:23,940 --> 06:09:30,880
Or, Rally, we also could not rely on federal and state permitting and review in agencies

2214
06:09:30,880 --> 06:09:32,440
to do their jobs.

2215
06:09:33,220 --> 06:09:40,140
Since most of them have been decimated by funding cuts, reductions in force, and restrictions

2216
06:09:40,140 --> 06:09:48,440
limiting their ability to fulfill the statutory, regulatory and mission duties. Thus, our

2217
06:09:48,440 --> 06:09:54,760
local government, specifically, our Board of Commissioners, is our greatest hope for successfully

2218
06:09:54,760 --> 06:09:59,300
fight in this pipeline. Citizens are skeptical that courts will

2219
06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:08,780
Local protect citizens' rights versus corporate rights in today's America, sub-bort of commissioners, you are our shield against

2220
06:10:08,780 --> 06:10:18,480
image aggression. Citizens and more developed parts of Chateau County use a conditional use permit in the past to influence the

2221
06:10:18,480 --> 06:10:29,280
county to deny or approve various projects. Rule citizens now need proof that this kind of process now referred to as a special use permit could

2222
06:10:29,280 --> 06:10:34,400
help protect their forms and other rural properties. Pipeline companies should be required

2223
06:10:34,400 --> 06:10:42,500
to apply for an SUV and provide extensive reasons for SUV approval. Including their public needs

2224
06:10:42,500 --> 06:10:48,320
assessment and alternatives analysis. Most importantly, citizens could then attend public

2225
06:10:48,320 --> 06:10:54,200
hearings to support or not support the permit. Only then should the BAC vote thumbs up

2226
06:10:54,200 --> 06:10:57,680
or thumbs down on the project, that is democracy,

2227
06:10:58,160 --> 06:11:02,780
something that is rare in Washington or in Raleigh,

2228
06:11:03,060 --> 06:11:05,200
but we pray still exist here.

2229
06:11:05,840 --> 06:11:06,320
Thank you.

2230
06:11:06,420 --> 06:11:07,340
Thank you.

2231
06:11:11,300 --> 06:11:13,920
And we do have a member of the planning board with us.

2232
06:11:14,340 --> 06:11:16,260
Tonight, Robin, do you have any comments you'd like to share

2233
06:11:16,260 --> 06:11:17,020
on this topic?

2234
06:11:18,840 --> 06:11:19,120
OK.

2235
06:11:19,720 --> 06:11:19,860
OK.

2236
06:11:21,220 --> 06:11:21,900
Thank you.

2237
06:11:22,300 --> 06:11:22,860
Commissioners.

2238
06:11:28,870 --> 06:11:29,210
All right.

2239
06:11:29,210 --> 06:11:32,750
I will close this public hearing and refer it to the Planning Board.

2240
06:11:33,090 --> 06:11:33,770
Thank you.

2241
06:11:41,410 --> 06:11:46,790
Okay. Next up on our agenda, item 2, 6, 0, 4, 3, 4.

2242
06:11:46,790 --> 06:11:51,190
Hold a legislative public hearing requested for an amendment to revise the

2243
06:11:51,190 --> 06:11:54,110
Chattam County Design Guidelines is recommended by the Chattam County

2244
06:11:54,110 --> 06:11:58,050
Appearance Commission, provide a suggested plant list and an invasive

2245
06:11:58,050 --> 06:12:02,250
Plant list for the development of commercial and industrial properties in the county

2246
06:12:02,250 --> 06:12:06,850
and planning staff and all present this, I guess?

2247
06:12:07,330 --> 06:12:07,990
Thank you.

2248
06:12:26,540 --> 06:12:27,320
I'll just put the,

2249
06:12:29,860 --> 06:12:31,580
okay, so 34 years ago,

2250
06:12:31,680 --> 06:12:34,700
the Board of Commissioners put together a group of folks

2251
06:12:34,700 --> 06:12:36,260
to call the Appearance Commission.

2252
06:12:36,780 --> 06:12:37,880
That was in 1992.

2253
06:12:39,160 --> 06:12:43,320
Since then, there have been two revisions made

2254
06:12:43,320 --> 06:12:48,040
and as development changes as areas get smaller,

2255
06:12:49,220 --> 06:12:51,980
people become more, things have to change.

2256
06:12:52,680 --> 06:12:59,140
The appears commission is made up with the specific group of professionals in that field.

2257
06:12:59,320 --> 06:13:18,020
We have landscapers, we have landscape architects, we've had biologists and botanists and all groups of folks that know everything and anything about plants and how they're supposed to grow and how what type of screening they're supposed to provide and all of that that goes with that.

2258
06:13:18,020 --> 06:13:28,320
So, they were organized to review site plans for commercial non-residential industrial and special use permits and involved Indian non-residential types of uses.

2259
06:13:29,200 --> 06:13:30,620
They review those site plans.

2260
06:13:31,200 --> 06:13:35,240
They look at the landscape and materials that the developers have chosen.

2261
06:13:36,180 --> 06:13:41,200
And it is their expert opinions and knowledge that tastes as well.

2262
06:13:41,880 --> 06:13:46,740
These plans will not accomplish what you're trying to do that matches what the ordinance calls for.

2263
06:13:46,740 --> 06:13:52,560
We have, we have standards in section 12 of the zoning ordinance now that we've used for years.

2264
06:13:53,260 --> 06:13:57,700
The chat and county and parents commission did have design guidelines, guidelines that they have used.

2265
06:13:57,940 --> 06:13:59,540
But like I said, they'd need to be updated.

2266
06:13:59,960 --> 06:14:06,300
Well, the parents commission started this, this whole new design back before we started the UDO.

2267
06:14:07,320 --> 06:14:14,340
So we put this on hold because we took the five years or so to work on that section of the UDO.

2268
06:14:14,840 --> 06:14:24,620
Now that UDO is not in effect, and when I exactly sure when that will be, hopefully next year we shall see what the state legislatures do on that.

2269
06:14:24,960 --> 06:14:31,000
We felt like there were things that needed to be put out there now for developers to know how to develop a site,

2270
06:14:32,340 --> 06:14:40,160
which is what has been done, and I'm going to try to pull up our website here just one second.

2271
06:14:42,630 --> 06:14:44,690
Just to kind of show you that what it looks like.

2272
06:15:25,940 --> 06:15:28,160
Okay, I give up.

2273
06:15:30,520 --> 06:15:31,640
Well, I did that, I thought.

2274
06:15:47,180 --> 06:15:49,100
Well, it doesn't look like it copied over correctly.

2275
06:16:01,830 --> 06:16:02,310
Here we go.

2276
06:16:04,760 --> 06:16:09,400
So they worked really hard on trying to incorporate different aspects of the county to

2277
06:16:10,120 --> 06:16:14,960
they introduced the, the land use plan and got some great photos of something showing what

2278
06:16:14,960 --> 06:16:21,620
chatem counties made up from agricultural auto way to heavy industrial. And it is a vast difference across the board.

2279
06:16:21,620 --> 06:16:27,620
Like I said, they have site design standards that they've put in new landscape design standards.

2280
06:16:28,420 --> 06:16:30,700
They also, you know, talk about elevations now.

2281
06:16:31,300 --> 06:16:36,760
They want to see how a site is going to be graded because that changes the topography and what you plant.

2282
06:16:37,660 --> 06:16:46,780
And so forth, they also provided a list of recommended plants as well as a list of invasive plants.

2283
06:16:46,780 --> 06:16:53,660
the things that we don't want a lot of, and I do have an expert here, Erin, I don't want to

2284
06:16:53,660 --> 06:16:57,740
call her up unless you'll have specific questions. I thought you disappeared all means.

2285
06:16:58,560 --> 06:17:04,900
I thought you said no, I'm doing it. But one thing I want to do want to ask is,

2286
06:17:04,900 --> 06:17:09,440
as this goes to the process, we want to make it where the plant list, the two different plant

2287
06:17:09,440 --> 06:17:15,160
list, can be adjusted as need be. As they find out new information about new plants or things that

2288
06:17:15,160 --> 06:17:20,180
become invasive with things that used to be invasive that are not, you know, we need to be able to modify that list.

2289
06:17:20,400 --> 06:17:23,320
What happened to go back through this whole rewrite again?

2290
06:17:23,700 --> 06:17:27,620
Oh, then a design guidelines, which would say the same, which is what I was just showing you.

2291
06:17:27,700 --> 06:17:30,000
You know, that document would have to come back before the board.

2292
06:17:30,240 --> 06:17:35,940
But the plant list we would like to have that fluid, if at all possible, because it does change.

2293
06:17:36,500 --> 06:17:39,020
So with that, do you have any questions for me?

2294
06:17:44,360 --> 06:17:54,120
just presumably, that would be fluid with the expert participation of the plant person.

2295
06:17:54,640 --> 06:18:00,420
Yes, it would come from the atmosphere, it's going to be okay. And so is there something in

2296
06:18:00,420 --> 06:18:06,420
particular we would have to do to enable that to be something that can be adjusted.

2297
06:18:07,200 --> 06:18:13,220
Just when it comes back to you all, if you're agreed to approve the new design guidelines that they've

2298
06:18:13,220 --> 06:18:20,520
created, it would be with the caveat that the two different plant lists are fluid and can be adjusted as need be.

2299
06:18:20,960 --> 06:18:21,680
Just those.

2300
06:18:21,740 --> 06:18:21,960
Okay.

2301
06:18:22,620 --> 06:18:23,780
That sounds good.

2302
06:18:26,650 --> 06:18:29,030
And so we're still in the process of it.

2303
06:18:29,490 --> 06:18:32,210
So have they developed any of that list?

2304
06:18:32,850 --> 06:18:34,070
What do you mean?

2305
06:18:34,450 --> 06:18:35,790
The recommended list.

2306
06:18:36,030 --> 06:18:36,550
Or they're here.

2307
06:18:37,210 --> 06:18:37,390
Okay.

2308
06:18:37,850 --> 06:18:38,070
Yeah.

2309
06:18:38,070 --> 06:18:44,950
So, yeah, I wanted to say that I think this is a great thing for Chattam County and that there's

2310
06:18:45,630 --> 06:18:52,950
practical ecological and design impacts to having this list and the practical being, you know,

2311
06:18:53,070 --> 06:18:58,830
some of these native plants survived better in projects. They require less water.

2312
06:19:00,390 --> 06:19:07,910
But also I think having this list is a part of what's going to keep a place-based experience

2313
06:19:07,910 --> 06:19:14,250
for people in Chattam County. We don't want to be landscaping with plants that you can find

2314
06:19:14,250 --> 06:19:20,150
just anywhere across the state. We want to have a good ecological impact, but also we want people

2315
06:19:20,150 --> 06:19:25,790
to be able to experience what Chattam County is. And so I think that really fits the rural character

2316
06:19:26,270 --> 06:19:32,290
of our county. And we're so lucky to be home to the largest amount of native plant nurseries in North

2317
06:19:32,290 --> 06:19:38,490
Carolina in chat. And so I wanted to mention that. And as an example, I've noticed that

2318
06:19:38,490 --> 06:19:43,270
Durham has done a great job with some of these requirements. And that's why you see

2319
06:19:43,270 --> 06:19:48,910
cypresses in the middle of the city there. And it, you know, people take for granted the design

2320
06:19:48,910 --> 06:19:55,470
impacts of decisions like this. But it really shapes what people see regularly. So I'm looking

2321
06:19:55,470 --> 06:19:59,970
to these recommendations. Yeah, because, you know, one of the things that they... one of the...

2322
06:20:00,000 --> 06:20:20,900
Really big items that they have strived for the last several years is trying to get developers not to clear cut a property, try to use what existing vegetation that is there that's, you know, native to the area that wouldn't cause a problem to remain on the site and then you can supplement, you know, trunk loads as you need to, again, there's a whole lot more technical conversation.

2323
06:20:20,900 --> 06:20:30,800
I have been the staff person for this group since 2000 and I can attest that it has taken a lot of thought and a lot of time and process to get to this point.

2324
06:20:31,140 --> 06:20:34,920
And they have been successful in getting some developers to go ahead and incorporate some of this.

2325
06:20:34,980 --> 06:20:42,200
Even though we couldn't make them do it at the time, but they seem the importance of doing it the right way the first time.

2326
06:20:42,520 --> 06:20:44,020
So we were very appreciative of that.

2327
06:20:44,020 --> 06:20:46,800
So, Ernie, have you thought you want to say?

2328
06:20:48,400 --> 06:20:49,320
Thank you.

2329
06:20:49,500 --> 06:20:50,160
I managed it.

2330
06:20:50,300 --> 06:20:53,560
Robin Lyons, who is also a planning board member and is here tonight.

2331
06:20:54,660 --> 06:20:57,180
But she's a native plant advocate.

2332
06:20:57,380 --> 06:21:00,980
And I know that whether you have one to speak on it or not, you're certainly welcome to.

2333
06:21:01,660 --> 06:21:06,030
But I think it's really important that this is something that you all are doing.

2334
06:21:06,700 --> 06:21:07,160
Robin,

2335
06:21:11,520 --> 06:21:12,120
is it on?

2336
06:21:21,240 --> 06:21:21,400
Right.

2337
06:21:21,960 --> 06:21:22,800
Oh, thank you.

2338
06:21:22,800 --> 06:21:27,540
Well, I think this is a great initiative and I've looked at those both those lists and they're very good already.

2339
06:21:28,260 --> 06:21:34,540
So having it being fluid like that is a great, a great, you know, benefit.

2340
06:21:34,940 --> 06:21:44,700
It's actually two people who go to the site like me who are looking for alternates to plant in their garden of native plants and it's hard.

2341
06:21:44,700 --> 06:21:50,860
And also, as we grow, we're getting more and more invasive plants coming in, so we need to know

2342
06:21:50,860 --> 06:21:53,960
what they are and to be on top of it, people where they get out of control.

2343
06:21:54,620 --> 06:21:55,300
I think it's great idea.

2344
06:21:55,540 --> 06:21:55,980
Thank you.

2345
06:21:56,220 --> 06:21:56,240
Yeah.

2346
06:21:56,420 --> 06:21:57,400
This will be a list.

2347
06:21:57,580 --> 06:22:00,820
If you're not developing a property, if you're a private property, you can pull up this

2348
06:22:00,820 --> 06:22:04,920
list and have it accessible to you when you do your own yards or what have you.

2349
06:22:05,640 --> 06:22:06,320
Thank you.

2350
06:22:06,620 --> 06:22:13,760
And this is just a slight adjacent issue, but I mean, on the invasive side of things, this

2351
06:22:13,760 --> 06:22:15,620
This is not just something valued locally.

2352
06:22:15,980 --> 06:22:20,320
There are state programs to help people replace Bradford pairs.

2353
06:22:21,100 --> 06:22:27,580
That is a tree that is sterilizing, native trees and city of Sanford actually has found

2354
06:22:27,580 --> 06:22:30,200
a way to help house that program.

2355
06:22:30,760 --> 06:22:35,620
I'm hoping that Chad can find a way to do that as well where if you cut down one of your

2356
06:22:35,620 --> 06:22:39,220
Bradford trees, you can get a free tree to replace it.

2357
06:22:39,260 --> 06:22:43,560
I don't think we have anyone housing that program yet for us, but that is a state program

2358
06:22:43,560 --> 06:22:47,820
that we can work towards in relation to this project as well.

2359
06:22:48,020 --> 06:22:49,200
It's a good thing to do.

2360
06:22:49,500 --> 06:22:51,080
Do we have anybody signed up, Jennifer,

2361
06:22:51,300 --> 06:22:52,800
to speak on this topic?

2362
06:22:53,460 --> 06:22:54,260
No, no, what's not it?

2363
06:22:54,260 --> 06:22:56,520
No, we've had some good discussion already.

2364
06:22:57,400 --> 06:22:58,880
Any other questions or comments?

2365
06:23:00,200 --> 06:23:00,280
No?

2366
06:23:01,000 --> 06:23:02,320
All right, thank you, Angela.

2367
06:23:02,760 --> 06:23:03,000
Thank you.

2368
06:23:03,000 --> 06:23:04,800
All right, so we'll go ahead and close this hearing

2369
06:23:04,800 --> 06:23:06,180
and refer to the planning board.

2370
06:23:06,260 --> 06:23:07,080
Thank you very much.

2371
06:23:07,400 --> 06:23:09,060
Thank you.

2372
06:23:09,060 --> 06:23:19,620
Next on our agenda is item two six zero four three five hold a legislative public hearing requested by Candice Beal for a general use resounding to

2373
06:23:19,620 --> 06:23:28,720
Resown parcel four seven nine four from NB neighborhood business to our one residential on four point zero eight nine acres located at 82

2374
06:23:28,720 --> 06:23:32,100
Bonnley Bennett road planning staff

2375
06:23:32,100 --> 06:23:34,460
Okay, let's end on this one.

2376
06:23:35,120 --> 06:23:37,400
Yes, this should be very quick.

2377
06:23:37,980 --> 06:23:42,480
This is an actual, this is an example of a down zoning,

2378
06:23:42,880 --> 06:23:46,440
that was applied for by the property owner.

2379
06:23:49,580 --> 06:23:52,980
So the property owner who couldn't be here tonight,

2380
06:23:53,580 --> 06:23:58,300
but we've discussed this project in depth of a bunch.

2381
06:23:58,300 --> 06:24:03,640
They wanted to, so this is essentially where it is.

2382
06:24:04,000 --> 06:24:04,840
I'm going to make this bigger.

2383
06:24:06,220 --> 06:24:08,680
So, it's self-abondly been at road.

2384
06:24:09,540 --> 06:24:12,780
This is the parcel right here,

2385
06:24:15,060 --> 06:24:15,940
right there.

2386
06:24:19,810 --> 06:24:25,570
And number of years ago, they resumed it to neighborhood business,

2387
06:24:26,150 --> 06:24:31,450
so they wanted to turn the downstairs of the structure into like an ice cream parlor

2388
06:24:31,450 --> 06:24:36,350
or some other type of retail, and have an upstairs apartment.

2389
06:24:36,710 --> 06:24:42,550
It was being used as an apartment at the time, and it has been residential in the past.

2390
06:24:43,390 --> 06:24:49,930
They no longer are continuing that plan, and so that building has been sitting vacant.

2391
06:24:50,830 --> 06:24:57,530
And they have one, they want to reason it back to residential, so that they can use the apartment

2392
06:24:57,530 --> 06:24:59,970
above it, and then possibly come.

2393
06:25:00,000 --> 06:25:22,000
We've heard the downstairs area back into residential. They're not exactly sure what they're going to do with it. Right now it has, so some of the technical issues that have come up through the TRC meeting. Right now it has three addresses and it would only be allowed to have two under residential and that's fine.

2394
06:25:22,600 --> 06:25:26,820
email one address and already knows about that. They can just remove one of the addresses.

2395
06:25:28,080 --> 06:25:32,080
There's also another structure right here. That's not.

2396
06:25:33,200 --> 06:25:38,120
There's been some issues with central permitting and building inspections on whether that's a habitable space

2397
06:25:38,120 --> 06:25:41,100
because it was moved to the property without a permit.

2398
06:25:41,700 --> 06:25:44,140
That's not really anything to do with the rezoning.

2399
06:25:44,140 --> 06:25:51,700
But if they, they're going to have to bring that structure into compliance before it's

2400
06:25:53,740 --> 06:26:02,240
habitable, and that's essentially it, this is be very quick, we've put up the public hearing

2401
06:26:02,240 --> 06:26:02,520
sign.

2402
06:26:02,660 --> 06:26:05,000
There's been no comments from the neighbors of the public.

2403
06:26:05,360 --> 06:26:10,620
Again, the owner is requesting to just take it back to our one residential, which is what

2404
06:26:10,620 --> 06:26:11,700
it was before.

2405
06:26:12,080 --> 06:26:12,460
Thank you.

2406
06:26:12,460 --> 06:26:16,940
So, yep, but if you have any questions, I'll be happy to be here.

2407
06:26:16,940 --> 06:26:18,300
Can we have any signed up, Jennifer?

2408
06:26:19,340 --> 06:26:20,700
I'm going to be signed up to speak.

2409
06:26:24,000 --> 06:26:28,200
Anybody have any questions or comments for Hunter on this one?

2410
06:26:28,700 --> 06:26:29,000
All right.

2411
06:26:29,960 --> 06:26:33,700
I will close the public hearing and refer this one with the planning board. Thank you.

2412
06:26:33,740 --> 06:26:34,200
Thank you.

2413
06:26:51,270 --> 06:26:55,710
All right, so the next item on the agenda is the public hearing for a special use permit.

2414
06:26:55,710 --> 06:27:03,230
Please note that the board is required to act in a quasi-judicial capacity as it receives evidence and makes a decision.

2415
06:27:03,390 --> 06:27:05,490
This is item 260436.

2416
06:27:06,250 --> 06:27:12,730
Hold a quasi-judicial evidence here in public hearing for a special use permit requested by Anthem Net.

2417
06:27:12,730 --> 06:27:30,090
For a new proposed 199 foot wireless telecommunications tower on parcel 2834, located at 1879 Andrews Store Road for individuals with standing to provide evidence on the direct impact to their property.

2418
06:27:31,630 --> 06:27:43,110
The applicant is entitled to a full evidentiary hearing during this hearing, the board will receive legally acceptable evidence to establish sufficient facts to apply the ordinance.

2419
06:27:43,350 --> 06:27:48,930
Anyone who intends to testify in a quasi-judicial manner must be sworn in, including staff.

2420
06:27:49,610 --> 06:27:55,290
All individuals who will be speaking in this public hearing, please stand to be sworn in.

2421
06:28:00,320 --> 06:28:06,060
Thank you. Please raise your right hand and reply yes after the following oath has been read.

2422
06:28:06,460 --> 06:28:14,860
Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the evidence or testimony you are about to provide is factual and truthful to the best of your knowledge?

2423
06:28:17,580 --> 06:28:24,860
I'm now opening the quasi judicial evidentiary public hearing for a special use permit requested by Anthony Inc.

2424
06:28:24,860 --> 06:28:32,880
for a new proposed 199 foot wireless telecommunications tower and parcel 2834 located at 1879

2425
06:28:32,880 --> 06:28:39,220
under store road for individuals with standing to provide evidence on the direct impact to their property.

2426
06:28:39,580 --> 06:28:45,280
Speakers will not be timed so that they have sufficient time to submit their evidence.

2427
06:28:46,320 --> 06:28:48,220
First we will hear from planning staff.

2428
06:29:10,640 --> 06:29:16,500
Yes, this is a special use permit because it's the process that the wireless telecommunications

2429
06:29:16,500 --> 06:29:22,020
ordinance requires. So that is why it is a special use permit, but keep in mind you are

2430
06:29:22,020 --> 06:29:26,660
evaluating this through the wireless telecommunications ordinance, not the zoning ordinance.

2431
06:29:28,000 --> 06:29:34,420
This is a proposal for a new 199 foot wireless telecommunications tower at 1879 Andrew Store Road.

2432
06:29:36,750 --> 06:29:42,410
I have this area right here in yellow is the proposed site. Andrew Store Road is here.

2433
06:29:43,010 --> 06:29:45,510
And as you can see, there's...

2434
06:29:45,510 --> 06:29:46,610
You can't see it.

2435
06:29:54,770 --> 06:29:59,970
This area outlined in yellow is the proposed location of the sail tower parcel in the sail tower.

2436
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:06,160
Our location, you'll see here. The applicant does have a presentation, so I'm just going to let them give that.

2437
06:30:06,160 --> 06:30:10,000
Their attorney, Mr. Tom Terrell is going to present that information to you.

2438
06:30:10,280 --> 06:30:11,520
Okay. Thank you.

2439
06:30:15,560 --> 06:30:17,460
I did. We're together.

2440
06:30:18,540 --> 06:30:20,800
Hang on a second. Let me get it back.

2441
06:30:21,660 --> 06:30:24,640
Want to hand some materials to your clerk to me.

2442
06:30:45,250 --> 06:30:50,990
I think the first president is going to be a minor for him.

2443
06:30:55,010 --> 06:30:56,330
But the title is called,

2444
06:30:56,390 --> 06:30:58,210
but it is called,

2445
06:30:58,770 --> 06:30:59,730
but it is called,

2446
06:31:01,750 --> 06:31:01,870
and it is called,

2447
06:31:19,720 --> 06:31:19,960
and it is called,

2448
06:31:21,540 --> 06:31:23,820
and it is called,

2449
06:31:25,120 --> 06:31:27,920
and it is called,

2450
06:31:28,980 --> 06:31:28,980
and

2451
06:31:45,240 --> 06:31:48,840
it is called,

2452
06:31:48,840 --> 06:31:54,000
material I'm an attorney with law firm, Fox, Rothschild, based in the Greensboro office.

2453
06:31:54,720 --> 06:32:00,600
We just handed you some materials that are summaries of our evidence to make sure that

2454
06:32:00,600 --> 06:32:06,100
you know that we are addressing every single standard in your ordinance for this special

2455
06:32:06,100 --> 06:32:06,560
use.

2456
06:32:07,160 --> 06:32:12,040
There are several other items in your packets of materials that have been sent to you electronically,

2457
06:32:12,040 --> 06:32:20,020
and Ms. Fornier will follow me here in a moment and do a more formal presentation. But as

2458
06:32:20,020 --> 06:32:28,200
an introduction 35 years ago, I was hired by two companies to go across North Carolina to

2459
06:32:28,200 --> 06:32:36,480
assist putting up cell towers for what was then the old one G network. It was an analog system.

2460
06:32:37,260 --> 06:32:41,580
very few people had any type of mobile device.

2461
06:32:41,820 --> 06:32:44,240
In fact, that was what was said at public hearings.

2462
06:32:45,000 --> 06:32:48,380
I don't need one, and nobody else will need one of these.

2463
06:32:48,580 --> 06:32:52,620
And if you did have one, it was typically called a carphone,

2464
06:32:53,020 --> 06:32:57,760
because it was mounted to the console of your vehicle.

2465
06:32:59,760 --> 06:33:02,060
In that main time, and during my career,

2466
06:33:02,880 --> 06:33:05,000
we have seen a revolution.

2467
06:33:05,000 --> 06:33:09,300
According to the Pew Research Center,

2468
06:33:10,680 --> 06:33:15,460
just above 40% of North Carolina households have a landline,

2469
06:33:16,020 --> 06:33:21,160
that number drops precipitously for people who were younger than I am,

2470
06:33:21,340 --> 06:33:23,800
who were younger than age 65.

2471
06:33:25,020 --> 06:33:27,160
According to the same research center,

2472
06:33:27,540 --> 06:33:33,140
87.4% of adult North Carolinians own

2473
06:33:33,140 --> 06:33:42,600
and use a smartphone, that number goes up to 95% when you add the flip phones to that equation.

2474
06:33:43,540 --> 06:33:51,460
You see those numbers go even higher when you back out citizens who are above 85 years old,

2475
06:33:51,560 --> 06:33:59,300
and you see those numbers go even higher when you are within 15 miles of a major research university.

2476
06:34:00,620 --> 06:34:10,860
Statistically, almost every single person in this room uses a smartphone, not just once

2477
06:34:10,860 --> 06:34:17,040
a day, but multiple times a day, and when I stepped out a moment ago, I looked, and there

2478
06:34:17,040 --> 06:34:20,800
were several people who were actually on their smartphones.

2479
06:34:20,800 --> 06:34:29,560
chances are, somebody is using their phone right now as I am speaking to you.

2480
06:35:00,000 --> 06:35:24,960
In any way. But this is the point, having an adequate digital infrastructure to support these devices is an absolute public necessity. Just like the electric lines, we have going along every single road in Shadow County to provide electricity. This is one of those essential items.

2481
06:35:24,960 --> 06:35:33,840
As we move into this evidentiary hearing, Anthem that has very diligently made sure that

2482
06:35:33,840 --> 06:35:40,460
it does not negligently fail to address every single one of your SUV standards, there

2483
06:35:40,460 --> 06:35:47,180
will be competent material and substantial evidence in this record showing that they met

2484
06:35:47,180 --> 06:35:54,580
every standard. Under North Carolina law, that constitutes an entitlement to a special

2485
06:35:54,580 --> 06:36:00,580
use permit, unless an opponent comes along with equal competent material and substantial

2486
06:36:00,580 --> 06:36:07,140
evidence. Now, I don't like to use these hearings to cross examined witnesses. I typically

2487
06:36:07,140 --> 06:36:14,290
don't. I do understand that there are seven people who are who have signed up to speak in

2488
06:36:14,290 --> 06:36:22,250
position. I will vigorously, however, object if someone has gone to what I call Google

2489
06:36:22,250 --> 06:36:28,210
University to pull documents off the internet and wants to annoy themselves as an

2490
06:36:28,210 --> 06:36:35,610
expert on any topic using something that they found and that the offer of that study is

2491
06:36:35,610 --> 06:36:43,050
not here for me to cross examine. I will also vigorously object if someone tries to make

2492
06:36:43,050 --> 06:36:52,570
time about the health effects of radio frequency waves. As long ago as 1996, the...

2493
06:36:52,570 --> 06:36:56,550
And you felt, sorry, some of your questions that they can't hear if you can speak directly into the mic.

2494
06:36:56,870 --> 06:36:57,830
As you get all the closest.

2495
06:36:58,030 --> 06:36:58,670
It's better, thank you.

2496
06:36:58,890 --> 06:37:09,130
It's 30 years ago in 1996, the federal government decided that as long as based on research, as long as a cell tower is

2497
06:37:09,130 --> 06:37:16,930
applying with all federal standards. It is by definition not a danger to public health and safety

2498
06:37:16,930 --> 06:37:26,310
by virtue of radio frequencies. The Telecommunications Act of 1996, in fact, prohibits

2499
06:37:26,310 --> 06:37:33,250
local and state governments from evaluating such proposals on the basis of radio frequency

2500
06:37:33,250 --> 06:37:41,610
admissions. We do have a page from the telecommunications act to show you as part of Ms.

2501
06:37:41,650 --> 06:37:48,910
Fournier's presentation. I will, at this point, ask Ms. Corrine of Fournier if she would come

2502
06:37:48,910 --> 06:37:55,050
forward, she has a presentation. After she speaks Mr. Richard Kirkland of Kirkland of Prices

2503
06:37:55,050 --> 06:37:58,550
will address some of the standards, Ms. Fournier.

2504
06:38:03,900 --> 06:38:06,120
Hi, good evening. My name is Corrine of Fournier.

2505
06:38:06,120 --> 06:38:15,600
I work directly for Anthemnet, we are a relatively newer tower company that specializes

2506
06:38:15,600 --> 06:38:23,440
in high-growth areas, and we work with all the carriers to help site tower locations

2507
06:38:23,440 --> 06:38:27,220
in those areas that they've expressed need in.

2508
06:38:27,220 --> 06:38:36,280
I, my job in particular to kind of weigh the carrier needs finding a suitable property that

2509
06:38:36,280 --> 06:38:41,940
meets zoning requirements as well as all the regulatory requirements and also finding

2510
06:38:41,940 --> 06:38:44,960
a property owner that is interested in doing a list with us.

2511
06:38:45,780 --> 06:38:49,180
So we have achieved that in this particular property.

2512
06:38:50,420 --> 06:38:57,340
I'm going to show kind of what we did for our community meeting, that we did early April.

2513
06:38:58,440 --> 06:39:04,120
We adjusted our design based on some feedback that we received from the neighbors.

2514
06:39:05,100 --> 06:39:08,560
And we'll go from there, let's say.

2515
06:39:08,880 --> 06:39:11,580
How do I change the slide?

2516
06:39:15,560 --> 06:39:16,320
Let's go down.

2517
06:39:18,910 --> 06:39:21,730
You're making this opening up right there,

2518
06:39:24,040 --> 06:39:25,540
and we'll be sure to build it right there.

2519
06:39:25,540 --> 06:39:28,060
There you go. Okay, great. Thank you so much.

2520
06:39:29,500 --> 06:39:37,460
So, Anthemnet, we filed for the Special Use Permits. We held a community meeting in April.

2521
06:39:38,540 --> 06:39:44,720
We originally had proposed a 199 foot monopole, which is a steel structure.

2522
06:39:46,160 --> 06:39:58,440
We had some several neighbors come and concerns specifically over the aesthetics, so we changed it to a monopine to help kind of blend in better with this roundings.

2523
06:40:00,000 --> 06:40:01,560
House to help conceal it.

2524
06:40:03,840 --> 06:40:14,000
As we previously indicated, this is a, it's off of Andrew Store Road. We have our FAA determination. They determine we know lighting is required.

2525
06:40:15,840 --> 06:40:26,440
It's got a hundred foot falls on radius. The towers themselves are designed to collapse within themselves. So it's not a straight over kind of situation.

2526
06:40:26,440 --> 06:40:41,560
It's within the entire parcel that if it's not that this ever happens really, but if it never did, it's designed to collapse within the property itself with just 100 foot radius.

2527
06:40:42,660 --> 06:40:48,660
Excuse me, we have an access and utility easement with the property owner to come right off and restore road.

2528
06:40:48,660 --> 06:40:54,860
We have our least area, which is 25-2500 square feet, 50-by-50,

2529
06:40:57,280 --> 06:40:59,460
with the tower, the compound

2530
06:40:59,460 --> 06:41:08,820
will be surrounded by a chain-linked friends, and it's locked in restriction access, you know,

2531
06:41:08,840 --> 06:41:15,160
24-7s of people can't just access the tower without having, you know, codes you can

2532
06:41:15,160 --> 06:41:25,840
to get in. So once the tower is constructed, there's relatively little traffic associated with it.

2533
06:41:26,240 --> 06:41:32,020
We say once a month it really ends up being more like once a quarter that a technician may come

2534
06:41:32,020 --> 06:41:40,440
and go to the site and just kind of check on things and maintain the area around it. So there's no

2535
06:41:40,440 --> 06:41:47,760
traffic impact on this. This is the location. We're going closer to the front of the property.

2536
06:41:50,900 --> 06:41:59,260
This gives a little more detailed of the actual plan itself. So we've got back up a slide right.

2537
06:41:59,520 --> 06:42:05,620
Let me see that one again. Sure. Okay. So it's going to be in the middle of those trees.

2538
06:42:05,620 --> 06:42:07,660
It's where the star is.

2539
06:42:08,040 --> 06:42:08,120
Right.

2540
06:42:08,380 --> 06:42:08,500
Yep.

2541
06:42:08,680 --> 06:42:10,180
And your plan is to keep the trees.

2542
06:42:10,600 --> 06:42:10,720
Correct.

2543
06:42:10,860 --> 06:42:11,320
Absolutely.

2544
06:42:11,660 --> 06:42:16,060
I will preserve everything that we can as part of this.

2545
06:42:16,240 --> 06:42:17,700
Thank you.

2546
06:42:18,680 --> 06:42:21,640
This is just a more an engineer type

2547
06:42:22,880 --> 06:42:27,060
design layout to show the specifics around it.

2548
06:42:27,300 --> 06:42:28,400
Access easement.

2549
06:42:28,420 --> 06:42:31,900
We talked about we do a 12 foot wide gravel driveway.

2550
06:42:32,700 --> 06:42:34,740
It's a 20 foot wide easement.

2551
06:42:35,380 --> 06:42:41,700
easement, and then there, we did get a comment from fire department, they wanted the turnaround

2552
06:42:41,700 --> 06:42:49,780
to be adjusted based on their criteria, if we've made those changes, we just haven't submitted

2553
06:42:49,780 --> 06:42:54,580
those drawings yet because we had already submitted, but we have those changes in place to satisfy

2554
06:42:54,580 --> 06:43:03,560
their comments. This is the elevation view of the tower itself. We have Verizon as the anchor

2555
06:43:03,560 --> 06:43:09,520
tenant for this, T-Mobile is going to be the second carrier on, on our application we show

2556
06:43:09,520 --> 06:43:15,380
our letters of interest from both carriers. We also know that AT&T is interested as well.

2557
06:43:17,460 --> 06:43:22,280
So, rate, this is obviously an area of need for all the carriers in this area.

2558
06:43:24,930 --> 06:43:31,610
This is just a more kind of a closer view of the compound itself showing where the least areas

2559
06:43:31,610 --> 06:43:39,430
within the compound where that's Verizon's equipment depicted on there and then these are open spots for

2560
06:43:39,430 --> 06:43:40,550
three other carriers.

2561
06:43:43,210 --> 06:43:47,190
This is just the fence detail regarding that.

2562
06:43:50,270 --> 06:43:51,750
These are we did so we did

2563
06:43:51,750 --> 06:43:58,430
photosimulations as part of application. I know that was a criteria in the code as well. We went and

2564
06:43:58,430 --> 06:44:04,670
did a voluntarily did a visual impact study also to address some of the concerns that came up to the

2565
06:44:04,670 --> 06:44:13,370
meaning, so these are the balloon tests that are associated with the visual impact study.

2566
06:44:13,770 --> 06:44:19,810
This is to show that the height where we do the simulations matches based on the balloon

2567
06:44:19,810 --> 06:44:20,330
fly.

2568
06:44:21,230 --> 06:44:26,150
We did that, I think it was May sometime I forget the exact date.

2569
06:44:27,490 --> 06:44:33,150
So this is actually where it's most visible for this neighborhood across the street.

2570
06:44:33,150 --> 06:44:44,250
This area where it's just kind of coming up above the tree line is where the tower with the branches would be.

2571
06:44:45,490 --> 06:44:51,190
This just shows the balloon itself in relation to where it is above the trees.

2572
06:44:52,010 --> 06:44:56,950
And then the simulation of the monopion that we're constructing.

2573
06:44:56,950 --> 06:44:59,970
Um, the

2574
06:45:00,460 --> 06:45:03,500
Read a bill full of art and Andrew Store Road.

2575
06:45:06,900 --> 06:45:11,300
This is from Parker Herden Road, where it is not visible.

2576
06:45:13,820 --> 06:45:16,540
This is another area where it's not visible.

2577
06:45:20,030 --> 06:45:28,650
And then this you can see where the red arrow is, where the monopime you can see coming off Andrew Store Road, driving on the road.

2578
06:45:29,470 --> 06:45:32,610
And then this is the zone of visibility map.

2579
06:45:33,130 --> 06:45:36,330
So everything in blue is it's not visible.

2580
06:45:36,630 --> 06:45:37,910
This is with foliage.

2581
06:45:39,250 --> 06:45:42,310
Red is visible yellow is slightly visible.

2582
06:45:45,570 --> 06:45:47,690
This is without foliage.

2583
06:45:48,410 --> 06:45:51,170
So the red, again, is where it is visible.

2584
06:45:51,610 --> 06:45:55,990
Yellow is partially visible and blue is not visible at all.

2585
06:45:55,990 --> 06:45:59,430
And this is the briar capital community up here.

2586
06:46:00,810 --> 06:46:04,350
And so it's mostly visible right near the adjacent properties.

2587
06:46:05,750 --> 06:46:06,590
Compliance this.

2588
06:46:07,810 --> 06:46:11,990
Verizon and all the carriers, they are federally mandated to

2589
06:46:13,550 --> 06:46:20,990
comply with FAA, FCC regulations and all local regulations as well.

2590
06:46:23,590 --> 06:46:30,890
They all, the carriers operate well below the FCC limits for the emission standards.

2591
06:46:32,490 --> 06:46:36,930
Again, and we're fed the carriers are federally mandated to be under a certain threshold

2592
06:46:36,930 --> 06:46:41,990
for that, and they can show that they're fully compliant with all that.

2593
06:46:47,250 --> 06:46:50,530
Anywhere, yeah, that's fine. Final statements.

2594
06:46:51,970 --> 06:46:55,490
Again, this tower is needed by all the carriers.

2595
06:46:55,770 --> 06:47:04,570
We have T-Mobile and Verizon both fully committed to the site and we know that AT&T needs some coverage

2596
06:47:04,570 --> 06:47:06,210
in this area as well.

2597
06:47:06,990 --> 06:47:08,350
No lighting is required.

2598
06:47:08,970 --> 06:47:15,310
We tried to do our best in terms of screening it from visibility, making it a model pine,

2599
06:47:16,750 --> 06:47:26,330
And doing the extra photo Sims and doing a visual impact study to show exactly where it would be visible and where it would not be visible.

2600
06:47:27,750 --> 06:47:33,470
And also addressing the carrier's needs and network capabilities.

2601
06:47:35,870 --> 06:47:40,150
And any questions I'm here to answer.

2602
06:47:41,390 --> 06:47:43,510
I think are pretty much covered, everything.

2603
06:47:43,830 --> 06:47:52,610
I wanted to make sure I talked about the community meeting and responding to concerns,

2604
06:47:53,710 --> 06:47:59,330
weighing just kind of the carrier needs and finding a property suitable to meet all the

2605
06:47:59,330 --> 06:48:05,650
criteria for Anthemnet, and I'm available for any questions you guys may have.

2606
06:48:06,190 --> 06:48:06,550
Thank you.

2607
06:48:07,510 --> 06:48:15,150
one question. Ms. Fornier, just so as clear on the record, will this tower be designed to

2608
06:48:15,150 --> 06:48:20,010
comply with all local state and federal regulations? Yes. Thank

2609
06:48:23,750 --> 06:48:24,910
you. Any questions?

2610
06:48:27,420 --> 06:48:27,600
That's

2611
06:48:27,600 --> 06:48:34,240
far. All right. Jennifer, are there speakers that we have to sign up? I think he has another

2612
06:48:34,240 --> 06:48:41,220
person to give testimony. Thank you. Hi. My name is Rich Kirkland, with Kirkland Appraisals.

2613
06:48:41,960 --> 06:48:46,220
I was asked to just to speak briefly about this project and relation to property values.

2614
06:48:46,660 --> 06:48:51,440
We've done research on this type of this type of project before.

2615
06:48:51,920 --> 06:48:53,340
I guess just 20 microdentials.

2616
06:48:53,400 --> 06:48:55,980
I'm a North Carolina state certified general appraiser.

2617
06:48:56,140 --> 06:48:58,940
I've been appraising a North Carolina for right at 30 years now.

2618
06:48:59,200 --> 06:49:00,200
Maybe just over.

2619
06:49:00,340 --> 06:49:01,280
I get lose track.

2620
06:49:01,980 --> 06:49:06,360
I'm an MAI designated appraiser, which is the highest designation put out by the appraisal institute.

2621
06:49:06,920 --> 06:49:11,720
I also have the ARA designation by the American Society of Farm Managers and rural appraisers,

2622
06:49:11,720 --> 06:49:16,020
which is an advanced designation that they will work for advanced studies beyond what's required for the state.

2623
06:49:16,740 --> 06:49:19,320
We do impact analysis on a wide range of things.

2624
06:49:19,800 --> 06:49:21,260
We've looked at cell towers before.

2625
06:49:21,400 --> 06:49:24,680
We've been doing impact analysis for over 25 years now.

2626
06:49:25,800 --> 06:49:28,580
As far as it goes, we use paired sales analysis.

2627
06:49:28,780 --> 06:49:33,120
We look at homes that are proximity to similar projects that are already in existence.

2628
06:49:33,560 --> 06:49:35,720
Compare them to similar homes that sold in the same timeframe.

2629
06:49:36,300 --> 06:49:39,660
To see if there's any impact on property value, we would attribute to that cell tower.

2630
06:50:00,000 --> 06:50:29,820
And close proximity to cell tower, show no impact on property values. And I would just say, we've done work with just thinking, sitting here thinking, we've worked in Port of Fino, which the, how course community in Johnston County, but it's got multi multiple million dollar plus homes in there. And there is a giant cell tower right at the entrance to that. In fact, the monopole and that situation is, is in clear view right as you drive into that facility, worked with that developer on numerous occasions, different phases, asked them if they had any impact.

2631
06:50:29,820 --> 06:50:34,660
and he always cites me that it's flat out a selling point for his homes out there because

2632
06:50:34,660 --> 06:50:38,660
it's at somewhat rural location. Everyone comes in and has no question about cell reception

2633
06:50:38,660 --> 06:50:43,320
regardless of which carrier they go to. Happy to go on a greater detail. I answer any questions.

2634
06:50:43,460 --> 06:50:48,980
I also cite some national research on this in this study as well, but it's my professional

2635
06:50:48,980 --> 06:50:53,120
paying this project as proposed would not have a negative impact on adjoining property values

2636
06:50:53,120 --> 06:50:57,160
and that this is a consistent and typical use to find in this type of location.

2637
06:50:58,480 --> 06:50:59,380
Thank you.

2638
06:51:00,280 --> 06:51:02,440
You can provide the documents with our

2639
06:51:02,440 --> 06:51:03,340
Any clerk there.

2640
06:51:03,540 --> 06:51:07,380
Who else was sworn in to speak during the hearing?

2641
06:51:09,360 --> 06:51:11,400
Those are all of our witnesses.

2642
06:51:12,020 --> 06:51:13,080
So we are closing evidence.

2643
06:51:13,300 --> 06:51:15,600
We do have a right to close and to a

2644
06:51:15,600 --> 06:51:17,760
But if there is a need for that.

2645
06:51:17,980 --> 06:51:18,300
Thank you.

2646
06:51:20,640 --> 06:51:21,020
Good question.

2647
06:51:22,000 --> 06:51:23,160
Just got a quick question.

2648
06:51:23,740 --> 06:51:27,620
What is your anticipated service area or radius?

2649
06:51:27,620 --> 06:51:35,640
I know the community there has shared some spotty network issues there. It's just curious

2650
06:51:35,640 --> 06:51:38,820
what is your radius of service.

2651
06:51:43,990 --> 06:51:47,310
It's roughly one mile from the tower location.

2652
06:51:48,970 --> 06:51:49,730
Thank you.

2653
06:51:51,460 --> 06:51:52,880
Do you want to go ahead and use the mic?

2654
06:51:54,160 --> 06:51:55,500
Yeah, I have a few questions.

2655
06:51:56,580 --> 06:51:59,760
Mostly linked to visibility from the road.

2656
06:51:59,760 --> 06:52:05,140
if you talked a bit about the fence and you showed a slide of the elevation, but if you could

2657
06:52:05,140 --> 06:52:09,440
elaborate on that a bit more with the fence made of, we didn't really see a picture, will there

2658
06:52:09,440 --> 06:52:16,080
be shrubbery in front of the fence? What will the access to the compound look like? What will the

2659
06:52:16,080 --> 06:52:22,520
gate look like? And then I know that you don't have a requirement to put a light on top by the

2660
06:52:22,520 --> 06:52:26,420
FAA, but will there be lights at the ground level that are on permanently?

2661
06:52:33,460 --> 06:52:34,600
Go off, memory from

2662
06:52:34,600 --> 06:52:40,380
questions. So in terms of the lighting, there is no lighting on the ground required for the tower.

2663
06:52:40,900 --> 06:52:49,560
It is a chain length fence. And we were utilizing the natural vegetation for landscaping,

2664
06:52:49,800 --> 06:52:55,000
but we're open to a different type of fence. That's something the county would require.

2665
06:52:55,860 --> 06:53:02,200
We can also do the landscaping as well. I'm sorry, what were the other questions?

2666
06:53:04,600 --> 06:53:05,960
or other things will be there.

2667
06:53:06,000 --> 06:53:07,420
What will we gate be like?

2668
06:53:07,740 --> 06:53:09,420
It will just be a big chain one.

2669
06:53:09,600 --> 06:53:10,620
Is it a lock or something?

2670
06:53:10,940 --> 06:53:11,480
I'm so sorry.

2671
06:53:12,620 --> 06:53:14,700
Um, well, the apps will click.

2672
06:53:14,980 --> 06:53:15,400
Can't let me.

2673
06:53:15,620 --> 06:53:19,820
So there won't be a gate on the actual like entrance

2674
06:53:19,820 --> 06:53:22,020
into a, uh, and restore road.

2675
06:53:22,060 --> 06:53:27,160
There'll be a gate when it dips off into the section

2676
06:53:27,160 --> 06:53:28,320
where it goes into the compound.

2677
06:53:28,580 --> 06:53:32,600
And it's probably they'll do some sort of like cattle gate.

2678
06:53:32,640 --> 06:53:34,580
I'm not sure if we've gotten to that specific

2679
06:53:34,580 --> 06:53:54,520
fixed yet, but and it is just a chain length fence right now. Again, we're open to if that's something that the county would like us to change, we're open to doing that as well, but it is chain length right now and we're just preserving the natural desertation for screening is what we're proposing right now.

2680
06:53:59,050 --> 06:54:04,550
Thank you. Has anyone else signed up or raised your hand and been sworn into speaking during the public hearing?

2681
06:54:04,550 --> 06:54:09,830
Wait, we have seven people and I have their names up here on the screen

2682
06:54:17,080 --> 06:54:22,460
Oh, they were of their ass all of them before the screen cut off

2683
06:54:22,460 --> 06:54:24,620
It's all my screen

2684
06:54:25,500 --> 06:54:32,920
So the first person that we have signed up is Jacqueline Watson and then Candace Paine after that

2685
06:54:46,170 --> 06:54:49,070
So I can face to you now that I have her after.

2686
06:54:49,330 --> 06:54:50,390
Thank you, ma'am.

2687
06:54:50,530 --> 06:54:51,450
Thank you.

2688
06:54:51,530 --> 06:54:52,650
Hi, my name is Jacqueline Watson.

2689
06:54:53,370 --> 06:54:57,330
My home that we own is on 1789 Andrew Store Road.

2690
06:54:57,890 --> 06:54:59,770
We are one lot away.

2691
06:55:04,300 --> 06:55:34,160
I'm asking for this board to deny this permit tonight. This structure was stand. I know then the initial part said 195, the four foot antenna or lightning rod would make it 195 feet tall. The blintets already confirmed that it was visible from Andrew Sorrow research on cell towers and property vials has consistently shown that homes close to the tower see a real measure on the drop of value.

2692
06:55:34,720 --> 06:55:40,460
I've looked through national studies, not just local, because currently in the local area,

2693
06:55:41,120 --> 06:55:46,020
the studies have been in more industrial areas. This is being placed in a residential area,

2694
06:55:46,280 --> 06:55:50,340
which is, I feel like, a little bit different than what we're looking at locally.

2695
06:55:50,740 --> 06:55:58,340
I was here for a meeting where you all were discussing, putting up a poll, and it was more in an industrial area.

2696
06:55:58,520 --> 06:56:03,480
I would say about a month ago for that application, and I feel like this is completely separate.

2697
06:56:03,480 --> 06:56:12,040
being right outside of Breyer Chapel. And we moved here, particularly based on the area itself.

2698
06:56:13,320 --> 06:56:18,880
And I feel like it's a responsibility that we have as you or you have as commissioners to uphold

2699
06:56:18,880 --> 06:56:24,720
the value of the area. And that's something that I feel like is super important. North Carolina,

2700
06:56:24,720 --> 06:56:32,980
wireless sitting statutes, and we're through your line of General Statute, 1,6A-400.50 to 453

2701
06:56:32,980 --> 06:56:37,680
expressly, because there's local government authority regulate wireless facilities on the basis

2702
06:56:37,680 --> 06:56:43,040
of aesthetics, structural designs, step-ups, and fall zones. They've given all those

2703
06:56:43,040 --> 06:56:49,160
indications on the plans of the 100-foot and the drop zones and all that. But the land use

2704
06:56:49,160 --> 06:56:55,220
consideration squarely within the sports jurisdiction or to be considered with the

2705
06:56:55,220 --> 06:57:00,180
joining property values we're supported by evidence. So I have those national studies

2706
06:57:00,180 --> 06:57:03,180
and all of that information on here I can go through it if you like but I can hand it to

2707
06:57:03,180 --> 06:57:07,340
as well to look over to save on time because I value your time.

2708
06:57:09,400 --> 06:57:11,140
With the visibility in the balloon

2709
06:57:11,140 --> 06:57:17,000
I know it's a monopine and it's a little bit better than just having a straight pull but that doesn't

2710
06:57:17,000 --> 06:57:24,780
take away from it being industrial looking has this project looked in other industrial

2711
06:57:24,780 --> 06:57:30,820
more different areas back over by the 15501 versus right in the middle of the

2712
06:57:30,820 --> 06:57:35,400
residential area. That's the question that I would ask. And I respectfully ask

2713
06:57:35,400 --> 06:57:39,900
that you consider implicitly that it is a residential area when you make this

2714
06:57:39,900 --> 06:57:43,120
And I'll give these to you. Thank you.

2715
06:57:43,120 --> 06:57:43,440
Thank you.

2716
06:57:43,500 --> 06:57:46,660
I'll need a copy of what's been presented.

2717
06:57:47,720 --> 06:57:47,900
Thank you.

2718
06:57:57,820 --> 06:57:58,100
Hello.

2719
06:57:59,280 --> 06:58:00,360
I'm Candidate Stain.

2720
06:58:00,540 --> 06:58:01,440
I live on Barchalo.

2721
06:58:02,340 --> 06:58:05,140
I'm actually just down the street driveway,

2722
06:58:05,620 --> 06:58:08,300
really, from the images that were shown by Anthony.

2723
06:58:08,960 --> 06:58:10,200
That's representatives tonight.

2724
06:58:10,900 --> 06:58:13,180
I'm here representing not only myself,

2725
06:58:13,500 --> 06:58:15,240
living at 413 Barchalo Road,

2726
06:58:15,380 --> 06:58:17,800
but also my neighbors on Barchalo,

2727
06:58:17,800 --> 06:58:24,820
who moved to Barch Hallow Road, which has considered a conservation subdivision within

2728
06:58:24,820 --> 06:58:31,940
Bire Chapel. Many of us chose that specific neighborhood because we loved the conservation

2729
06:58:31,940 --> 06:58:39,480
environment that was created there by the county. This particular tower being perceived

2730
06:58:39,480 --> 06:58:44,940
proposed, whether it's a 199 feet, which I think it is in full, is that correct with the lightning

2731
06:58:44,940 --> 06:58:55,220
on 199 feet is very visible from my property. Now the images that I wish I had known

2732
06:58:55,220 --> 06:59:00,520
I can project to you all, so some of the images that were already projected up on the screen.

2733
06:59:03,630 --> 06:59:08,310
I don't believe this fits the real character of the Conservation Subdivision Framework

2734
06:59:08,310 --> 06:59:13,050
that was established by Chad and County, and I want to ask that this has gone under

2735
06:59:13,050 --> 06:59:15,110
careful scrutiny before approval.

2736
06:59:16,110 --> 06:59:18,470
This isn't simply merely a static preference.

2737
06:59:18,730 --> 06:59:21,470
This was established specifically for conservation.

2738
06:59:22,390 --> 06:59:24,910
And while not all of Breyer Chapel is under conservation

2739
06:59:24,910 --> 06:59:27,010
easement, my neighborhood is.

2740
06:59:27,010 --> 06:59:31,490
In my neighborhood is the one that is most visible to this tower.

2741
06:59:31,750 --> 06:59:35,130
My property sits at the highest point on Bert's Hall of South.

2742
06:59:35,450 --> 06:59:38,350
And unfortunately, from the front of my driveway,

2743
06:59:38,670 --> 06:59:42,390
you can see very clearly very high about the trees.

2744
06:59:42,390 --> 06:59:46,390
the balloon that was performed on May 8th.

2745
06:59:47,110 --> 06:59:51,510
I also want to call out that on May 8th, it was full spring.

2746
06:59:51,930 --> 06:59:53,590
Everything was in bloom, beautiful.

2747
06:59:54,630 --> 06:59:55,790
That's not always the case.

2748
06:59:55,990 --> 06:59:59,850
We know that some fall, all the leaves go, and the trees lose their leaves.

2749
07:00:00,000 --> 07:00:08,020
And there's a lot more visibility and screening will be lacking. And so I ask that we carefully look at evidence

2750
07:00:08,020 --> 07:00:15,560
that anthem that presents to ensure that screening is not just in full season, but also through

2751
07:00:15,560 --> 07:00:22,600
fall and winter when it's already dreary. And now we have to look at a very large tower above our

2752
07:00:22,600 --> 07:00:38,600
conservation easement properties. So in all, I appreciate everyone's time. I appreciate the need for cellular service as someone who works from home and cannot make a phone call without my internet on and working. I get it. We need it.

2753
07:00:38,600 --> 07:00:43,860
But does this tower need to exist right outside a conservation

2754
07:00:43,860 --> 07:00:48,120
event also fully recognizing that tower property itself

2755
07:00:48,120 --> 07:00:49,760
is not under the framework?

2756
07:00:50,820 --> 07:00:53,300
But the surrounding area in character

2757
07:00:53,300 --> 07:00:55,180
should be taken into consideration.

2758
07:00:55,720 --> 07:00:58,320
That is something that's already within the Chattam County

2759
07:00:58,320 --> 07:01:00,380
Conservation Ordnance from my understanding.

2760
07:01:03,520 --> 07:01:07,040
There is a lot of us who feel this way.

2761
07:01:07,040 --> 07:01:13,180
I'm representing many people on my street and I would be happy to provide not only the deed to

2762
07:01:13,180 --> 07:01:18,520
this land that was deeded to Breyer Shabbardic Breyer Chapel Community Association with the

2763
07:01:18,520 --> 07:01:24,840
conservation framework. I'm also going to be submitting a quick little snapshot of where my

2764
07:01:24,840 --> 07:01:31,680
property sits as well as where the proposed tower will be and the direct line across the conservation

2765
07:01:31,680 --> 07:01:36,000
an easement property that is on this map that you can see.

2766
07:01:37,100 --> 07:01:41,060
I just hope that the frameworks that we're put into place

2767
07:01:41,060 --> 07:01:42,900
to protect this conservation land

2768
07:01:42,900 --> 07:01:45,520
and to protect the property owners who purchase this

2769
07:01:45,520 --> 07:01:48,320
under these conditions are taken into account

2770
07:01:48,320 --> 07:01:49,940
when this is considered.

2771
07:01:50,580 --> 07:01:51,920
I think you all for your time,

2772
07:01:52,040 --> 07:01:53,220
and I also think anthem that,

2773
07:01:53,300 --> 07:01:53,960
putting that together.

2774
07:01:54,240 --> 07:01:55,540
Because again, I want to reiterate,

2775
07:01:55,920 --> 07:01:57,840
we do need better cellular service.

2776
07:01:58,500 --> 07:02:00,500
I just don't think better cellular service,

2777
07:02:00,500 --> 07:02:03,360
And going against the conservation framework,

2778
07:02:03,560 --> 07:02:05,900
that's already been established in this area,

2779
07:02:06,380 --> 07:02:07,560
need to go hand in hand.

2780
07:02:08,620 --> 07:02:09,260
Thank you for your time.

2781
07:02:09,740 --> 07:02:10,300
Thank you.

2782
07:02:22,890 --> 07:02:24,570
Hi, my name is Kim Gagney.

2783
07:02:24,950 --> 07:02:26,990
I live at 594, Bertala Road.

2784
07:02:27,990 --> 07:02:30,470
The rear of my property faces industrial road,

2785
07:02:30,790 --> 07:02:32,950
and is directly across from the proposed tower site,

2786
07:02:32,990 --> 07:02:36,070
roughly 300 feet, probably a little bit less from my property line.

2787
07:02:36,870 --> 07:02:39,750
We received the written known to Smarch and attended the community,

2788
07:02:39,750 --> 07:02:43,710
meaning, April 8th, and appreciate the work that's been done to improve the design,

2789
07:02:43,830 --> 07:02:48,730
how it will still concern about the location. I recognize the need for reliable cell

2790
07:02:48,730 --> 07:02:54,890
coverage here, similar to Candace. My concern is more narrow. It's the impact of this

2791
07:02:54,890 --> 07:02:59,830
specific site has already had and will keep having on nearby property values. Under the

2792
07:02:59,830 --> 07:03:04,350
county's ordinance, you must find the permit won't be detrimental to the welfare of the community.

2793
07:03:05,330 --> 07:03:08,850
And the county's own application specifically invites evidence on land value impact,

2794
07:03:08,850 --> 07:03:12,230
what I'm submitting is not opinion, it's fact.

2795
07:03:13,030 --> 07:03:14,930
We listed our house for sale in April,

2796
07:03:15,690 --> 07:03:17,650
a straightforward decision to our children

2797
07:03:17,650 --> 07:03:19,390
graduated college and moved out.

2798
07:03:19,470 --> 07:03:20,950
We have a little too much space.

2799
07:03:22,030 --> 07:03:22,910
Once we learned to the tower,

2800
07:03:23,070 --> 07:03:24,310
we were correctly advised that we were

2801
07:03:24,310 --> 07:03:26,110
advocated to disclose it.

2802
07:03:26,570 --> 07:03:28,210
We did that a few weeks later,

2803
07:03:28,290 --> 07:03:30,210
we did receive an offer on our house.

2804
07:03:30,990 --> 07:03:33,150
The buyer withdrew that offer

2805
07:03:33,150 --> 07:03:37,390
and cited this proposal as the reason for doing so.

2806
07:03:37,390 --> 07:03:44,390
I have submitted a letter from our real estate agent documenting that offer and it's withdrawal.

2807
07:03:45,350 --> 07:03:49,270
Since then we've cut our price a couple of times and have received no additional offers.

2808
07:03:50,050 --> 07:03:52,030
It's not a hypothetical about future value.

2809
07:03:52,190 --> 07:03:54,910
It's a real transaction that fell through for a documented reason.

2810
07:03:55,430 --> 07:03:56,330
It won't stop with us.

2811
07:03:56,710 --> 07:03:58,750
There's a number of properties as everyone's spoken.

2812
07:03:59,030 --> 07:04:00,570
You know, virtual road, industrial road.

2813
07:04:00,650 --> 07:04:05,890
There's a number of yet as yet unbuilt home lots on the industrial road that are in that area.

2814
07:04:06,790 --> 07:04:11,010
And I believe that we'll have an impact on those values.

2815
07:04:12,110 --> 07:04:14,170
Windows have a right to develop their property,

2816
07:04:14,370 --> 07:04:17,470
but it actually has the financial benefit here,

2817
07:04:18,030 --> 07:04:20,170
and who encouraged the cost.

2818
07:04:21,190 --> 07:04:23,670
The benefits are going to go to a landowner

2819
07:04:23,670 --> 07:04:25,250
who doesn't live in that site,

2820
07:04:25,650 --> 07:04:28,230
a Texas-based developer and a national carrier.

2821
07:04:29,190 --> 07:04:30,610
The financial impact cost is going to fall

2822
07:04:30,610 --> 07:04:32,410
on the families who have moved to that area

2823
07:04:32,410 --> 07:04:35,590
for the aesthetic reason of the character of that area.

2824
07:04:36,530 --> 07:04:44,250
You heard from one of my neighbors around around the aesthetic impact, you'll hear from another around sort of the site selection process.

2825
07:04:44,730 --> 07:04:53,110
I'll just add if a less impactful location generally exists, that question belongs here before approval, not after.

2826
07:04:53,770 --> 07:04:59,970
I'm asking the board to deny this application as cited, or at a minimum require the applicant to prove that there's no better site that is.

2827
07:05:00,000 --> 07:05:02,000
Thank you.

2828
07:05:05,700 --> 07:05:15,360
Mr. Chair, I do think it's important to lodge an objection while the evidence is coming in. Both Ms. Watson and Mr.

2829
07:05:15,540 --> 07:05:29,540
Gaffney talked about property values. We have a statute on that. It's chapter 1-60D-1402 Subsection J. And it says that unless

2830
07:05:29,540 --> 07:05:41,620
You have a study that somebody has done that documents how a use has connected negatively impact property values.

2831
07:05:42,200 --> 07:05:46,540
Any statement you make is deemed by law to be incompetent.

2832
07:05:47,540 --> 07:05:49,620
I think his name is Gaffney.

2833
07:05:49,760 --> 07:05:50,540
It's not on the screen.

2834
07:05:50,700 --> 07:05:54,000
I'm just repeating he quoted a real estate agent.

2835
07:05:54,000 --> 07:06:14,440
We have case law in North Carolina that says real estate agents cannot testify on property values unless they offer a study such as a study by Mr. Kirkland, who has the highest designation credential offered by the appraisal institute.

2836
07:06:14,440 --> 07:06:26,320
So, I would like to offer that objection, if somebody else continues to come in and talk about property values, I think my objection now would suffice and I don't need to say it again.

2837
07:06:26,740 --> 07:06:28,020
Thank you. Thank you. So heard.

2838
07:06:33,020 --> 07:06:33,020
Okay.

2839
07:06:33,020 --> 07:06:36,040
I'm Michael Massey.

2840
07:06:36,440 --> 07:06:37,840
Nice to meet you.

2841
07:06:38,000 --> 07:06:38,980
Mike is not here.

2842
07:06:38,980 --> 07:06:39,620
Oh, he's not here.

2843
07:06:40,280 --> 07:06:40,300
Okay.

2844
07:06:42,460 --> 07:06:43,340
Respect to Chatham.

2845
07:06:43,580 --> 07:06:44,840
Conti Board of Commissioners.

2846
07:06:44,920 --> 07:06:45,800
I'm threshold already.

2847
07:06:46,140 --> 07:06:48,880
I'm one of the residents in Birch Hall of Road.

2848
07:06:49,560 --> 07:06:52,580
And we bought a house about a year ago.

2849
07:06:52,980 --> 07:06:56,000
And one of the reasons is obviously everything.

2850
07:06:56,140 --> 07:06:58,620
What can recent him had already said about the neighborhood.

2851
07:06:59,220 --> 07:07:03,060
And the beauty of the neighborhood and the aesthetic value of the neighborhood.

2852
07:07:03,060 --> 07:07:06,700
and what it provided us for residential character.

2853
07:07:08,560 --> 07:07:13,860
As stated by them, I have Verizon and I had AT&T.

2854
07:07:14,120 --> 07:07:19,280
The coverage is definitely spotty, but we still do have coverage, and it is functional

2855
07:07:19,280 --> 07:07:22,560
even times of power outage if you have to use a hotspot like that.

2856
07:07:22,780 --> 07:07:28,800
It has been working for us, but can we use better service definitely we can.

2857
07:07:28,800 --> 07:07:36,160
what we are worried about is obviously the size of such a telecommunications tower being

2858
07:07:36,160 --> 07:07:43,860
in close proximity to our neighborhood which is already being established and if this is my personal opinion

2859
07:07:43,860 --> 07:07:49,440
if someone had told me that a telecommunication tower was coming up right next to a house

2860
07:07:49,440 --> 07:07:56,320
we are not which is the house and it was last year we moved from out of state to in the state.

2861
07:07:56,320 --> 07:08:02,300
Also, Anthemnet said that they had interacted with neighbors.

2862
07:08:02,960 --> 07:08:07,800
I'm on the street where there's the most visual impact, which is highlighted in red as per their graphic.

2863
07:08:08,440 --> 07:08:13,160
And we did not receive any communication from Anthemnet regarding this tower.

2864
07:08:13,600 --> 07:08:19,500
We heard it from our neighbors who got the communication and it was not from us.

2865
07:08:20,140 --> 07:08:29,200
Obviously, I'm going to add more to what can this and Tim had mentioned about property values or proximity to homes.

2866
07:08:30,180 --> 07:08:38,620
We definitely need cell phone service, great cell phone service, and I for one believe in technology work from home a little bit.

2867
07:08:38,960 --> 07:08:44,680
And I would appreciate even in times of power failure having great cell phone coverage so that I can do my job as radiologists.

2868
07:08:44,680 --> 07:08:58,600
But what I ask is that you consider looking at alternative sites rather than opposing rather than putting this tower in a neighborhood, which has already been well established.

2869
07:08:59,140 --> 07:09:00,000
Thank you.

2870
07:09:05,980 --> 07:09:07,720
John and then Jerry.

2871
07:09:13,880 --> 07:09:20,480
Hello, I'm John to New Zio. I live at 560 Birch Hollow Road and that is part of

2872
07:09:20,480 --> 07:09:28,140
Breyer Chapel. It's in that red area, but it is indeed part of Breyer Chapel development. I'd like to address

2873
07:09:28,140 --> 07:09:34,920
just two issues with you. One is about that selection process and how the company went about choosing that site.

2874
07:09:35,240 --> 07:09:41,040
And the second one is about the balloon test and how it may be sort of misrepresenting where the

2875
07:09:41,040 --> 07:09:43,720
or will really affect our neighborhood.

2876
07:09:45,220 --> 07:09:48,200
With regard to the site selection process,

2877
07:09:48,760 --> 07:09:50,220
we learned at the April meeting,

2878
07:09:50,620 --> 07:09:53,260
which we were not invited to because I guess

2879
07:09:53,260 --> 07:09:55,680
because of ordinance, all they have to do

2880
07:09:55,680 --> 07:09:59,060
is invite people who are immediately adjacent to the property.

2881
07:09:59,820 --> 07:09:59,980
We happen to...

2882
07:10:00,000 --> 07:10:08,440
To be a couple hundred feet away from the way of self-taught, they're proposing the cell tone tower, but we're not immediately adjacent to the property.

2883
07:10:08,640 --> 07:10:25,780
So we had to find out from our neighbors to go to this meeting, but we did, and they described to us where they were proposing to put the tower, and what they described as the tower is at the extreme north-east boundary of their target site.

2884
07:10:25,780 --> 07:10:37,040
So, they had described a site that was approximately centered about a half mile south and west of where that boundary was.

2885
07:10:37,180 --> 07:10:42,840
So, in other words, much further away from Briar Chapel in the neighboring communities.

2886
07:10:42,960 --> 07:10:46,080
However, they selected a site that was right on the boundary.

2887
07:10:46,340 --> 07:10:51,860
So, it's the most imposing, most aesthetically, unpleasing, if you will, to us.

2888
07:10:54,180 --> 07:11:00,960
So the site is further, a site further south and west, if they had chosen it, would be in a much less

2889
07:11:00,960 --> 07:11:06,280
densely populated area. If you look on the map and the pictures that they showed, it shows the

2890
07:11:06,280 --> 07:11:12,200
community, the densely packed community. But if you extend that site, their target area, you'll see

2891
07:11:12,200 --> 07:11:18,300
there's basically nothing around there. So perhaps a different selection, a site, a tower and a

2892
07:11:18,300 --> 07:11:22,380
from spot, which would have a much less impact and still

2893
07:11:22,380 --> 07:11:24,580
satisfies the needs of Anthemnet.

2894
07:11:27,780 --> 07:11:31,460
So we're asking you to demonstrate that Anthemnet truly

2895
07:11:31,460 --> 07:11:34,560
takes advantage of what they're supposed to do with selecting

2896
07:11:34,560 --> 07:11:37,700
a site, not necessarily choosing the first response

2897
07:11:37,700 --> 07:11:38,940
to a solicitation.

2898
07:11:39,260 --> 07:11:42,360
This is a great opportunity for somebody who wants to make

2899
07:11:42,360 --> 07:11:44,320
a couple thousand dollars a month,

2900
07:11:44,600 --> 07:11:46,660
leasing out a property that they can't use.

2901
07:11:47,040 --> 07:11:50,240
Perhaps we should look at it from a community point of view,

2902
07:11:50,240 --> 07:11:57,120
put it on the parks or recreation area, get a couple of thousand dollars a month in rent,

2903
07:11:57,460 --> 07:12:02,000
you can pay for a lawn mowing and upkeep of recreation facilities that way.

2904
07:12:02,820 --> 07:12:09,560
The second point I'd like to bring up is the bloom test. So during that test in May, I actually

2905
07:12:09,560 --> 07:12:15,560
walked to the site where the technicians were doing the test. What we found out and what they said

2906
07:12:15,560 --> 07:12:18,460
is they positioned the base of the balloon

2907
07:12:18,460 --> 07:12:23,940
approximately 30 to 50 yards south of where the actual tower was.

2908
07:12:24,520 --> 07:12:27,720
So in other words, it's still quite a ways away

2909
07:12:27,720 --> 07:12:30,460
from where the actual tower would be located.

2910
07:12:31,220 --> 07:12:35,560
Not only that, the position of the balloon was anchored

2911
07:12:35,560 --> 07:12:40,020
at a much lower elevation than where the actual tower would be.

2912
07:12:40,100 --> 07:12:42,200
So again, it would be much more prominent

2913
07:12:42,200 --> 07:12:44,240
than what would show in the pictures.

2914
07:12:44,240 --> 07:12:49,480
And the third point that I'd like to make is you saw the trees that were surrounding the balloon.

2915
07:12:50,240 --> 07:12:51,440
All of those would go away.

2916
07:12:52,480 --> 07:12:55,720
So if you're going to cut a 50 by 50 put swath,

2917
07:12:56,240 --> 07:13:01,160
all those trees that were giving any cover to this monopole tower would be gone.

2918
07:13:01,880 --> 07:13:05,780
So all you would see is this tower in the middle of no trees.

2919
07:13:06,880 --> 07:13:10,720
So again, asking the board to make them do their work,

2920
07:13:10,720 --> 07:13:17,780
have a more accurate visual accurate visual impact assessment instead of relying on the

2921
07:13:17,780 --> 07:13:23,400
balloon test that was done. It probably misrepresent the the way the tower would look.

2922
07:13:23,840 --> 07:13:25,140
Thank you very much.

2923
07:13:36,040 --> 07:13:39,180
Hello everybody. My name is Sherry Yarkowski.

2924
07:13:40,860 --> 07:13:49,200
My husband and I we live at 1712 Andrews Store Road on a micro farm about 1500 feet from the proposed

2925
07:13:49,200 --> 07:13:57,360
cell tower. We do not live within the Breyer Chapel development footprint. I'm going to limit my

2926
07:13:57,360 --> 07:14:02,200
comments. A lot of them have been stated already, but I just want to, I wrote it, so I'm going to tell

2927
07:14:02,900 --> 07:14:11,200
the related to the visibility of the proposed tower or the, I'll skip over the decrease property values

2928
07:14:11,200 --> 07:14:18,620
probably. And then they continued overburdening of the existing community. So as we all know,

2929
07:15:00,000 --> 07:15:10,460
Not performed during the winter months without the leaves to document a more accurate visual burden that to the residents within the one mile radius.

2930
07:15:12,120 --> 07:15:20,120
Also, in the presentation, what methods were used to predict the tower visibility during the winter months without leaves?

2931
07:15:20,120 --> 07:15:33,260
For the public record, we asked that the methods be specifically documented and accurately referenced so that we can understand its accuracy and degree of variability and error.

2932
07:15:36,100 --> 07:15:41,840
The presentation also states that existing trees will serve as the visual buffer for the site.

2933
07:15:41,840 --> 07:15:46,380
Yet the plan states trees will be removed for tower construction.

2934
07:15:47,140 --> 07:15:50,900
So how is this contradiction accounted for in the analysis?

2935
07:15:51,540 --> 07:15:57,200
Is there a visual rendering showing the impact of the tree removal required for construction?

2936
07:15:58,220 --> 07:16:05,720
Clearly removal of the near-source visual buffer will dramatically impact the visual burden by the neighboring residents.

2937
07:16:07,540 --> 07:16:08,660
So I live on a micro farm.

2938
07:16:08,660 --> 07:16:10,600
I'm not in a, I'm not in for our chapel.

2939
07:16:11,040 --> 07:16:18,980
I live in a little farm, we got some two horses, a pony, a mule, and so we are rural.

2940
07:16:19,800 --> 07:16:25,500
And I don't know if we sell our little microform to somebody else who wants to have a similar

2941
07:16:25,500 --> 07:16:32,240
lifestyle, if our property values want to climb, and I don't have a study but perhaps somebody

2942
07:16:32,240 --> 07:16:37,240
else has a study about how what impacts rural properties.

2943
07:16:38,380 --> 07:16:44,180
And then finally, to stick over the alternatives and community burden portion.

2944
07:16:45,360 --> 07:16:51,000
In the application, there does not seem to be any analysis of co-locating on an existing

2945
07:16:51,000 --> 07:16:58,120
tower or structure or any explanation why this particular residential parcel was selected

2946
07:16:58,120 --> 07:17:04,300
over other sites, such as within the Breyer Chapel Community Boundary or within the

2947
07:17:04,300 --> 07:17:10,300
already developed in, aesthetically compromised sites, perhaps, like CCC Health Sciences Center,

2948
07:17:10,560 --> 07:17:16,220
the Food Line, near the 55 plus apartments down on 15501.

2949
07:17:16,840 --> 07:17:20,060
As I previously said, we do not live in Briar Chapel.

2950
07:17:21,900 --> 07:17:26,260
So this is primarily for serving the Briar Chapel residents.

2951
07:17:26,880 --> 07:17:32,180
So we asked staff or the applicant to confirm on the record whether alternative sighting

2952
07:17:32,180 --> 07:17:38,780
analysis was done. And if it has the locations of those alternative sites. And then finally,

2953
07:17:38,800 --> 07:17:43,140
I don't know if the owners of that property are here. I believe they live in a governor's club,

2954
07:17:43,700 --> 07:17:49,940
but I would just like to say, how would they like it if this was proposed to be next to their

2955
07:17:49,940 --> 07:17:53,200
or they reside? Thank you.

2956
07:18:08,080 --> 07:18:11,620
Do we have anyone else signed up? No, that's everyone.

2957
07:18:11,620 --> 07:18:12,680
And that's it.

2958
07:18:13,420 --> 07:18:19,560
We have a report on two points from this foreigner and I have two comments and then we will

2959
07:18:19,560 --> 07:18:20,000
cause.

2960
07:18:20,440 --> 07:18:20,480
Okay.

2961
07:18:21,140 --> 07:18:21,900
That's one.

2962
07:18:25,290 --> 07:18:30,230
I just wanted to address the location for the balloon test.

2963
07:18:31,770 --> 07:18:35,990
The engine or who did that did call me and tell me that they had to shift it.

2964
07:18:36,050 --> 07:18:39,470
It was 100 feet, it was not a change in elevation.

2965
07:18:39,610 --> 07:18:42,190
They had to do that because of the power lines on the property.

2966
07:18:42,190 --> 07:18:49,190
So the balloon wouldn't actually get wrapped up in it, but it did not change the visual where he

2967
07:18:49,190 --> 07:18:53,630
Shifted it did not change what it would look like visually from the sims

2968
07:18:54,690 --> 07:18:55,370
collocation

2969
07:18:56,470 --> 07:19:01,890
We the I think that closest tower was like almost two miles from us

2970
07:19:01,890 --> 07:19:03,950
We did look I

2971
07:19:04,730 --> 07:19:11,870
I recently purchased a home in Pittsburgh. Oh just for the record. I thought about this site like numerous evenings

2972
07:19:11,870 --> 07:19:16,470
Because I've tried to do my best on this, and I understand the concerns of everyone.

2973
07:19:18,350 --> 07:19:22,730
This, the area that was chosen was because it's based on carrier need.

2974
07:19:23,150 --> 07:19:25,510
It's completely based on network need.

2975
07:19:26,810 --> 07:19:30,950
It's not always where it's an industrial area that there's a coverage need.

2976
07:19:31,350 --> 07:19:35,910
It's residential because most people don't even have a landline.

2977
07:19:36,190 --> 07:19:37,490
They only use their cell phones.

2978
07:19:37,550 --> 07:19:38,890
A lot of people work from home.

2979
07:19:38,890 --> 07:19:42,130
And so, yes, it ends up being near residential areas.

2980
07:19:42,350 --> 07:19:44,210
So we tried to make, you know, anthem net

2981
07:19:44,210 --> 07:19:47,390
in particular to try to go at great lengths

2982
07:19:48,090 --> 07:19:51,630
on finding, you know, suitable screening for towers

2983
07:19:51,630 --> 07:19:55,970
and making it more visually appeasing, you know,

2984
07:19:56,130 --> 07:19:57,870
compared to a straight monopole.

2985
07:19:58,990 --> 07:19:59,970
So the other way.

2986
07:20:00,000 --> 07:20:09,160
Be able to cite a tower in that area without being in a residential area. The search ring itself was

2987
07:20:09,160 --> 07:20:15,000
rate. We were pretty close to the center of it where the tower location was. The other property

2988
07:20:15,000 --> 07:20:21,820
that we considered. I think it was on Parker hurting. It was off a private road and he, we were unable

2989
07:20:21,820 --> 07:20:28,900
to get access to the public right away with that parcel. So that one did not work out. And then in

2990
07:20:28,900 --> 07:20:34,460
I think we spoke with the church. That was right near there. They're bored ultimately denied

2991
07:20:35,100 --> 07:20:45,040
Doing a tower at their property and we spoke with I mean I have a huge list of properties that we contacted and there was no interest in doing a little at least

2992
07:20:45,040 --> 07:20:55,510
So this was not the first I mean, this is a good location for in my mind, but we did reach out to several others and was not able to make anything work over there

2993
07:20:57,790 --> 07:21:00,450
And I will close with two points.

2994
07:21:01,310 --> 07:21:09,130
I think the theme tonight, if you back, out property values, the theme is everybody enjoys

2995
07:21:09,130 --> 07:21:14,950
having cell service, but nobody wants to be where they can see this tower.

2996
07:21:15,210 --> 07:21:22,970
They can see the electric power poles going up and down every road they drive them, but they

2997
07:21:22,970 --> 07:21:24,950
don't want to see this tower.

2998
07:21:25,730 --> 07:21:29,210
There is an abundance of case law in North Carolina.

2999
07:21:29,790 --> 07:21:35,710
That says, not liking the way something looks is not evidence.

3000
07:21:35,750 --> 07:21:37,770
It's a subjective feeling.

3001
07:21:38,490 --> 07:21:41,150
And therefore it's incompetent as evidence.

3002
07:21:41,830 --> 07:21:44,590
I am sure that Ms. Meeker could probably

3003
07:21:44,590 --> 07:21:48,730
cite you the case, called Blair Investments versus Rowan Oak City,

3004
07:21:49,210 --> 07:21:51,290
that actually is a cell tower case.

3005
07:21:51,290 --> 07:21:58,970
Many of these are solar form and other types of uses, but that was a cell tower case, and which the court said,

3006
07:21:59,690 --> 07:22:05,250
how you subjectively feel about being able to see something is not competent,

3007
07:22:05,790 --> 07:22:12,630
but most importantly, it does not address a standard that is in the ordinance.

3008
07:22:13,750 --> 07:22:20,870
We heard them, I don't know your name, but we heard you loudly, and if the planning board

3009
07:22:20,870 --> 07:22:27,930
would like to make suggestions to staff for staff to reach out to Ms. Furnier, the fence

3010
07:22:27,930 --> 07:22:34,290
could be changed. It could be enhanced. As long as it doesn't violate county standards,

3011
07:22:35,150 --> 07:22:41,450
the landscaping could be enhanced. There's more that could be done, and anthem that would be

3012
07:22:41,450 --> 07:22:44,290
more than happy to receive those suggestions

3013
07:22:44,290 --> 07:22:48,690
and they could be made into findings to put into an order.

3014
07:22:49,830 --> 07:22:51,090
Okay, thank you.

3015
07:22:51,150 --> 07:22:51,590
Thank you.

3016
07:22:51,790 --> 07:22:52,290
I have a question.

3017
07:22:52,770 --> 07:22:54,390
Yes, ma'am.

3018
07:22:54,530 --> 07:22:56,570
Were this to be approved ultimately,

3019
07:22:56,930 --> 07:22:58,770
which won't happen tonight, obviously?

3020
07:23:00,210 --> 07:23:02,050
But ultimately, how long does it take

3021
07:23:02,050 --> 07:23:04,210
to put such a tower up?

3022
07:23:09,740 --> 07:23:12,580
Typically, from when they actually start construction,

3023
07:23:12,860 --> 07:23:14,380
it can take about two months.

3024
07:23:15,340 --> 07:23:17,740
for it to be fully constructed and completed.

3025
07:23:18,380 --> 07:23:19,040
Thank you.

3026
07:23:20,520 --> 07:23:21,940
Who the other?

3027
07:23:26,170 --> 07:23:27,070
Any other speakers?

3028
07:23:28,410 --> 07:23:28,530
No.

3029
07:23:29,210 --> 07:23:30,270
Any questions from the board?

3030
07:23:34,210 --> 07:23:35,030
All right, thank you.

3031
07:23:35,150 --> 07:23:38,190
We will close the hearing and refer the item to the planning board.

3032
07:23:38,490 --> 07:23:39,450
Thank you.

3033
07:23:39,890 --> 07:23:42,990
At this time, I'm going to go ahead and call for a 10 minute recess.

3034
07:39:47,280 --> 07:39:54,240
Did not, as a matter of fact, I thought we were voting on something else.

3035
07:40:00,000 --> 07:40:03,560
To ask that there would be a new vote on the matter?

3036
07:40:03,560 --> 07:40:05,720
Yes, I would ask there's a new vote.

3037
07:40:07,940 --> 07:40:09,580
And make a motion to that effect?

3038
07:40:10,060 --> 07:40:13,940
I make a motion that we re-vote on this matter.

3039
07:40:16,280 --> 07:40:16,960
On there.

3040
07:40:19,760 --> 07:40:22,580
And maybe I can just clarify. So there are two statements.

3041
07:40:23,200 --> 07:40:28,040
If you approve the rezoning, then you vote for the consistency statement.

3042
07:40:28,040 --> 07:40:39,760
If you deny the rezoning, then you vote for the inconsistency statement, and now I'll make a motion to approve the rezoning.

3043
07:40:40,440 --> 07:40:40,680
Second.

3044
07:40:44,670 --> 07:40:45,470
All in favor?

3045
07:40:45,950 --> 07:40:46,190
Aye.

3046
07:40:46,870 --> 07:40:47,530
All opposed?

3047
07:40:48,130 --> 07:40:48,390
Nay.

3048
07:40:52,330 --> 07:40:56,050
And now a motion for the consistency statement.

3049
07:40:57,530 --> 07:40:59,850
Is there a motion to adopt the consistency statement?

3050
07:41:00,770 --> 07:41:01,670
Some of.

3051
07:41:02,230 --> 07:41:02,490
Second.

3052
07:41:03,190 --> 07:41:03,710
All in favor?

3053
07:41:03,710 --> 07:41:05,870
All opposed?

3054
07:41:11,230 --> 07:41:11,990
Mr. Bradshaw?

3055
07:41:12,210 --> 07:41:14,230
Looks like you got it.

3056
07:41:26,060 --> 07:41:32,520
And in 2, 6, 0, 4, 3, 2, to approve a quasi-judicial request by Lockely Holdings LLC for

3057
07:41:32,520 --> 07:41:39,700
a special use permit for a contractor's store jarred and staging area on parcel 9, 3, 9, 0,

3058
07:41:40,060 --> 07:41:46,140
located at 16, 56-cambal road, Bear Creek, North Carolina, being an area of 3.9 acres out

3059
07:41:46,140 --> 07:41:48,620
of a 10.2 acre tract.

3060
07:41:48,760 --> 07:41:51,360
Madam Chair, but because I was not officially a board member,

3061
07:41:51,560 --> 07:41:52,560
when the evidence was collected,

3062
07:41:52,900 --> 07:41:54,880
I think it's right for me to refuse myself.

3063
07:41:58,280 --> 07:42:00,960
Um, I can not ask bar alternatives to that.

3064
07:42:01,340 --> 07:42:07,880
Yes, so I do agree that Commissioner Robertson should be excused.

3065
07:42:08,000 --> 07:42:11,220
I'd like another Commissioner to make a motion to excuse him,

3066
07:42:11,300 --> 07:42:15,340
but he was not on the board when the evidence came in in June.

3067
07:42:15,340 --> 07:42:18,140
So I do think it's appropriate that he be recused.

3068
07:42:18,800 --> 07:42:21,520
I'll make that motion to recuse commission in Roberson.

3069
07:42:21,520 --> 07:42:22,080
Welcome.

3070
07:42:22,620 --> 07:42:23,260
All in favour?

3071
07:42:23,900 --> 07:42:25,380
Thank you.

3072
07:42:27,390 --> 07:42:27,690
And Hunter?

3073
07:42:29,890 --> 07:42:31,170
I don't have a presentation.

3074
07:42:32,630 --> 07:42:35,670
Typically, after the quasi-judicial process,

3075
07:42:36,190 --> 07:42:37,630
I just comes for about.

3076
07:42:37,850 --> 07:42:42,310
But if you have any questions, I can try to answer them,

3077
07:42:42,930 --> 07:42:45,730
or we can, and we have the applicant here as well.

3078
07:42:45,730 --> 07:42:53,690
But I don't know what is allowed at this point to be introduced or discussed.

3079
07:42:54,750 --> 07:43:00,300
But I can answer any questions that come to tonight,

3080
07:43:11,430 --> 07:43:15,180
missioners, no questions.

3081
07:43:17,670 --> 07:43:21,410
Is there a motion to adopt the resolution to approve the quasi judicial request by

3082
07:43:21,410 --> 07:43:26,250
Lockley Holdings LLC for a special use permit for contractor storage yard and staging

3083
07:43:26,250 --> 07:43:33,210
area on personal 93, 90 located at 1656 Campbell Road Bear Creek, North Carolina being an area

3084
07:43:33,210 --> 07:43:37,090
of 3.9 acres out of 10.02 area tracked.

3085
07:43:48,680 --> 07:43:53,200
I will say, I don't know whether we want to have some discussion first as a board because I

3086
07:43:53,200 --> 07:44:07,060
do find this one to be difficult in that there is already a business there and the not voting

3087
07:44:07,060 --> 07:44:13,420
for this is not going to make the noise, all of the things that residents

3088
07:44:13,420 --> 07:44:24,240
complained about go away. I have some hope that the applicant is genuine

3089
07:44:24,240 --> 07:44:31,920
in there, believe that having more space will reduce the amount of shifting

3090
07:44:31,920 --> 07:44:37,260
of these metal poles and maybe reduce some of that and that the burn will help

3091
07:44:37,260 --> 07:44:41,060
And that there are other things that will come along with it that might be of help.

3092
07:44:41,340 --> 07:44:47,540
I just don't know that the status quo is going to be any better for the residents.

3093
07:44:49,740 --> 07:44:54,280
Well, it won't be, but the status quo won't be better and it feels like there might be a possibility.

3094
07:44:54,580 --> 07:44:57,540
But again, it is just a possibility.

3095
07:44:58,060 --> 07:44:59,380
So I find this one difficult.

3096
07:45:00,000 --> 07:45:13,000
I don't know whether additional time would help us. There is no more information that I need. I just think it is a difficult

3097
07:45:15,320 --> 07:45:20,120
to determine whether the changes will be an improvement.

3098
07:45:23,240 --> 07:45:25,320
I do agree that it difficult as well.

3099
07:45:26,240 --> 07:45:31,820
We saw one version of this application where they were resounding a larger piece of the property

3100
07:45:31,820 --> 07:45:36,580
and then they've come back making it more specific to this lay-down area.

3101
07:45:36,580 --> 07:45:49,500
Um, and so I do appreciate them specifying more, um, you know, what they're trying to do with the property, um, instead of a larger rezoning.

3102
07:45:51,020 --> 07:45:54,040
So, um, but I do agree it's very difficult.

3103
07:46:04,640 --> 07:46:08,160
I'll make motion to postpone this for next meeting.

3104
07:46:09,100 --> 07:46:09,920
To table.

3105
07:46:10,320 --> 07:46:11,200
Yes, to table.

3106
07:46:14,980 --> 07:46:15,600
Is there a second?

3107
07:46:15,600 --> 07:46:17,900
And last second.

3108
07:46:19,790 --> 07:46:20,670
Did you second?

3109
07:46:24,410 --> 07:46:24,970
All in favor.

3110
07:46:26,050 --> 07:46:26,290
All right.

3111
07:46:28,810 --> 07:46:29,850
Just Emily.

3112
07:46:30,330 --> 07:46:30,990
I'm sorry.

3113
07:46:32,630 --> 07:46:35,610
How many more days do we have on this item?

3114
07:46:35,750 --> 07:46:37,790
Is this also within that 60 day?

3115
07:46:37,990 --> 07:46:40,070
There is not a time clock on this.

3116
07:46:41,390 --> 07:46:42,430
Thank you.

3117
07:46:42,710 --> 07:46:49,510
And since I asked whether it would be appropriate and because I think it might be helpful for us to see what this

3118
07:46:50,250 --> 07:47:04,550
set up looks like or for me it might be helpful to get a sense of what this, what the current layout looks like and what an improvement might look like.

3119
07:47:04,670 --> 07:47:08,990
And I don't know how appropriate that is at this stage or feasible.

3120
07:47:09,850 --> 07:47:12,870
I was interested in the sound impacts.

3121
07:47:14,770 --> 07:47:27,250
So, I mean, if you'd like their attorney to go over that evidence, again, I believe he's here and would be glad to do it, or Mr. Glenn may be able to do it.

3122
07:47:28,290 --> 07:47:42,190
I mean, I think, while that's, I feel as though the information you've provided is helpful, but it is a little bit in a little bit of a vacuum, just not knowing what does this actually look like.

3123
07:47:42,190 --> 07:47:49,740
and sound like in operation and and what could that improvement look like and sound like.

3124
07:47:51,790 --> 07:47:55,870
I'm just I'm just pulling up a few I'm just going to pull up the GIS of the

3125
07:47:55,870 --> 07:48:03,930
parcel of the most recent aerial image just so you can see this was also my presentation but

3126
07:48:03,930 --> 07:48:11,020
it's the same information. I think the challenge that the lot of folks talked about was

3127
07:48:11,020 --> 07:48:17,600
the existing noise from the current industrial facility that is there.

3128
07:48:18,380 --> 07:48:29,020
They spoke about how loud this is, even at 2 o'clock in the morning, that they can hear something that just bangs and wicks them up.

3129
07:48:30,100 --> 07:48:33,520
And I do not doubt that. I am sure that that is the case.

3130
07:48:34,540 --> 07:48:39,480
Unfortunately, we can't do anything about the existing industrial facility that is there.

3131
07:48:39,660 --> 07:48:43,440
That was there before that whole area was owned. It was already there.

3132
07:48:43,640 --> 07:48:51,320
And so it did receive zoning when the county went in and zoned the county in the areas that were not previously zoned.

3133
07:48:51,360 --> 07:48:56,560
They got appropriate zoning for that particular industrial center.

3134
07:48:56,680 --> 07:48:59,980
That was already there if it was based on what was there.

3135
07:48:59,980 --> 07:49:07,760
And so that's how that zoning happened, folks were already in many of also those residential areas around it.

3136
07:49:08,240 --> 07:49:11,720
They could have been there before after the Industrial Facility went in.

3137
07:49:12,020 --> 07:49:21,200
The Industrial Facility got that zoning now and is already an existing business.

3138
07:49:21,820 --> 07:49:37,580
My understanding from what they did try to accommodate when they stopped with what they were trying to do with that current space and came back and said, okay, we heard folks, we really want to be able to have a space to spread out here.

3139
07:49:37,620 --> 07:49:46,840
We've got a lot of stuff, it's really cramped, and we think it'll help make things quieter if we can have a place to put other stuff, so we're not lifting it two and three times.

3140
07:49:47,880 --> 07:49:53,880
I know it's hard for folks to trust when something's already there and it's really loud,

3141
07:49:54,700 --> 07:49:58,540
but I do want to emphasize that we can't do anything to take it back.

3142
07:49:59,080 --> 07:49:59,980
We can't remove it.

3143
07:50:00,000 --> 07:50:11,380
We can't change the zoning number. I mean, he's already there. So he's not going to be open to us going and saying, hey, would you be okay if we change this to residential?

3144
07:50:12,380 --> 07:50:26,260
He's got a business there. And so trying to figure out how can we accommodate the fact that there is a business and he does own this property that he's already on and has purchased this other property, whether we zone in or not that was his risk.

3145
07:50:27,940 --> 07:50:32,360
Personally, I feel like that is the better route.

3146
07:50:32,540 --> 07:50:38,600
Now we have already tabled this for next week, prior to coming back after the recess,

3147
07:50:38,900 --> 07:50:43,040
I stopped to talk to our county manager, such as, you know, this is a really hard one for

3148
07:50:43,040 --> 07:50:47,080
the very fact, you know, that a couple of commissioners have already spoken up and talked

3149
07:50:47,080 --> 07:50:53,020
about how it's hard, but the truth is, we can't do anything about the sound that's out

3150
07:50:53,020 --> 07:50:53,540
there.

3151
07:50:53,540 --> 07:50:55,900
We can't do anything about the fact that it's already

3152
07:50:55,900 --> 07:50:57,980
down, having industrial in that one location.

3153
07:50:59,040 --> 07:50:59,740
He's there.

3154
07:51:01,500 --> 07:51:05,440
I feel good that he's trying to accommodate something to spread out,

3155
07:51:05,640 --> 07:51:07,680
so he can hopefully lessen the noise.

3156
07:51:07,920 --> 07:51:08,920
Will it lessen the noise?

3157
07:51:09,840 --> 07:51:10,920
Anybody's guess?

3158
07:51:11,460 --> 07:51:13,060
Man, I just don't know.

3159
07:51:16,220 --> 07:51:19,700
I mean, I think that's the discomfort.

3160
07:51:19,700 --> 07:51:29,700
I think there's some extent to which we want to believe that it will mitigate some of these impacts.

3161
07:51:33,680 --> 07:51:35,080
Yeah, I'm happy to hear from Nick.

3162
07:51:35,700 --> 07:51:36,740
Yeah, good.

3163
07:51:36,860 --> 07:51:37,360
Thanks, another.

3164
07:51:38,320 --> 07:51:39,860
Thank you, Madam Chair.

3165
07:51:40,340 --> 07:51:43,540
Board members, Nick Robinson here on behalf of the applicant.

3166
07:51:43,580 --> 07:51:44,640
I don't want to lay my picture.

3167
07:51:44,640 --> 07:51:47,580
You can push that computer back so you can picture both of your.

3168
07:51:47,840 --> 07:51:48,840
You see my problem.

3169
07:51:49,060 --> 07:51:51,280
I didn't want to start typing or changing screens.

3170
07:51:52,040 --> 07:51:53,440
Thank you very much.

3171
07:51:53,780 --> 07:51:56,040
I will address the board just very briefly on this.

3172
07:51:56,080 --> 07:52:00,280
I appreciate the genuine concern that's been expressed from the board on this.

3173
07:52:01,160 --> 07:52:07,960
And I think that I can appreciate that, but also say that from an evidentiary standpoint

3174
07:52:07,960 --> 07:52:12,680
now, the quasi-judicial evidentiary hearing is now closed.

3175
07:52:13,400 --> 07:52:19,880
The evidence in the record about whether or not there will be noise reduction comes from

3176
07:52:19,880 --> 07:52:27,180
applicant who owns the company that has the industrial facility and it is extremely competent

3177
07:52:27,180 --> 07:52:35,900
evidence under oath that he believes that this expansion area will reduce the amount of noise.

3178
07:52:36,480 --> 07:52:42,220
The only other evidence that's in the record comes from the neighbors who are people of good faith

3179
07:52:42,220 --> 07:52:48,880
and good will, but it's pure speculation that it won't reduce the noise.

3180
07:52:48,880 --> 07:53:05,760
And so the only competent evidence that you have in the record at this point, and you have to base your decision on the evidence that's competent material and substated on the record, is that allowing this special use permit will reduce the reduced noise.

3181
07:53:07,860 --> 07:53:14,740
I'd also remind you that your professional planning staff has agreed that all the findings

3182
07:53:14,740 --> 07:53:15,580
have been met.

3183
07:53:15,960 --> 07:53:25,460
And your planning board voted eight to two to recommend approval based on the events and what was in the record.

3184
07:53:26,880 --> 07:53:30,060
So I understand that it's been tabled.

3185
07:53:30,760 --> 07:53:37,780
County attorney might be able to tell you what all can be done between now and the next meeting other than think about it some more.

3186
07:53:38,080 --> 07:53:47,140
I don't think there can be any more evidence, including a field trip to the site, which they might be good.

3187
07:53:47,900 --> 07:53:51,040
But I don't think we're at a place where that can happen at this point.

3188
07:53:51,320 --> 07:53:59,940
To me to be perfectly honest, I think we're at a point now where there's ample evidence to support approval.

3189
07:53:59,940 --> 07:54:07,620
of the requested SHP and there is insufficient evidence to deny it.

3190
07:54:07,620 --> 07:54:11,980
Nick, is this the operation really going on throughout the night?

3191
07:54:12,500 --> 07:54:13,980
Not throughout the night, no.

3192
07:54:14,540 --> 07:54:16,520
And that certainly is not evidence that's in the record.

3193
07:54:19,500 --> 07:54:21,140
Oh, deliveries can happen occasionally,

3194
07:54:22,760 --> 07:54:25,220
but my understanding of that is that.

3195
07:54:25,220 --> 07:54:27,960
And I think the evidence in the record was to this effect

3196
07:54:27,960 --> 07:54:33,600
is that occasionally a trucker with a load to deliver will show up before it's open and wait

3197
07:54:34,820 --> 07:54:39,640
until it is open to deliver. And that's the thing that Michael I had said is out of his control.

3198
07:55:00,000 --> 07:55:12,380
All the pictorial evidence of the size of that driveway to the opening of the plant and it is huge and it can accommodate a truck for waiting if it needs to.

3199
07:55:12,700 --> 07:55:18,480
But again, approving or not approving this issue, P is not going to change that issue.

3200
07:55:21,080 --> 07:55:35,360
Yeah, but I think for us at this moment is there's no going back on whatever decision we make and it has to feel good I think or as the feel right.

3201
07:55:37,340 --> 07:55:40,440
Yes, I hope it does based on the evidence.

3202
07:55:41,340 --> 07:55:41,680
That's right.

3203
07:55:41,900 --> 07:55:44,940
I would say that the evidence should make you feel right.

3204
07:55:45,320 --> 07:55:47,900
Because that's what you have to be based your decision on.

3205
07:55:47,900 --> 07:55:54,740
Thank you. Well, this has been tabled until next month, so thank you, Nick. I appreciate being here.

3206
07:55:55,240 --> 07:56:05,180
All right. Next app is item two six zero four five four about to appoint the triangle area rural planning organization that delegates.

3207
07:56:06,980 --> 07:56:11,440
This was a position previously held by David Delaney.

3208
07:56:12,660 --> 07:56:17,900
This is the RTAC Central Pines Transportation role.

3209
07:56:18,200 --> 07:56:23,340
I went last week and invited Commissioner Robertson to go with me.

3210
07:56:23,920 --> 07:56:25,740
So he could see what it's all about.

3211
07:56:26,360 --> 07:56:27,400
And he did.

3212
07:56:28,020 --> 07:56:34,180
And I would recommend we go ahead and appoint Commissioner Robertson to take on that position.

3213
07:56:38,520 --> 07:56:44,180
I'll second, but then I do want to talk to Commissioner Roberson ahead of our vote.

3214
07:56:44,700 --> 07:56:47,700
So I'm seconding.

3215
07:56:48,060 --> 07:56:53,960
So this is the planning org that covers the vast majority of Chattam County.

3216
07:56:54,780 --> 07:57:06,020
I don't know who your alternate is right now, but I just want to stress how critical it is that

3217
07:57:06,020 --> 07:57:12,060
And some that in there in between the two of you,

3218
07:57:12,300 --> 07:57:14,840
fair has it's a very steep learning curve.

3219
07:57:15,880 --> 07:57:20,400
And right now for 90% of the Tadam County to be,

3220
07:57:20,540 --> 07:57:29,100
or more, to be in Tarbo, and not have a delegate to me is scary.

3221
07:57:29,900 --> 07:57:35,500
And so I just want to share with you, it's a big lift.

3222
07:57:35,500 --> 07:57:43,140
And I found out the hard way from my small planning organization that it is an extremely heavy

3223
07:57:43,140 --> 07:57:43,620
lift.

3224
07:57:44,880 --> 07:57:49,240
But just how critical and essential this is, I'm glad that you're stepping up and stepping

3225
07:57:49,240 --> 07:57:49,800
into the role.

3226
07:57:50,020 --> 07:57:54,720
I don't know what Commissioner Delaney's participation was because we weren't getting a lot

3227
07:57:54,720 --> 07:57:57,080
of information back, which I think is, again, critical.

3228
07:57:58,520 --> 07:58:04,540
It's easy for us to attend a lot of these meetings and it becomes a repository in our head

3229
07:58:04,540 --> 07:58:11,300
a lot of information, but to the extent that, and I have felt very differently that you are

3230
07:58:11,300 --> 07:58:17,560
definitely bringing information back. It's so critical. We're at this point with planning,

3231
07:58:18,400 --> 07:58:27,400
transportation, you know, where at our 255 metrologin plans and to think that, you know,

3232
07:58:27,500 --> 07:58:34,220
for a long time, Chad, I didn't have any, we just weren't showing up at these at all. We have a

3233
07:58:34,540 --> 07:58:41,480
I think we have a long way to go to catch up and get our voices heard at the table with the

3234
07:58:41,480 --> 07:58:43,720
the weight that we need.

3235
07:58:44,060 --> 07:58:45,980
And I think Commissioner Kendall would agree, right?

3236
07:58:46,120 --> 07:58:52,200
She's in, she has a, again, a very small portion of the county in-campus, but those conversations

3237
07:58:52,200 --> 07:58:59,660
is so critical because our regional partners, like, weigh county, rally, they're, they're big players,

3238
07:58:59,660 --> 07:59:08,520
Durham, even Orange County in Chapel Hill and Durham City, in my planning org, have had a

3239
07:59:08,520 --> 07:59:16,700
long history of being very active and very engaged. And so I just want to sort of stress and

3240
07:59:16,700 --> 07:59:23,300
and happy to help talk some of this stuff through. There is great training available. I don't know

3241
07:59:23,300 --> 07:59:28,080
there are other people in Tarpa, the other Chad and County resident people who have served

3242
07:59:28,080 --> 07:59:35,760
in Tarpa have taken advantage of that, but excellent staff, really excellent staff and they

3243
07:59:35,760 --> 07:59:41,600
will help get you along that path, but I think both Commissioner Cantland and I are really

3244
07:59:41,600 --> 07:59:48,540
happy to have conversations with you so because our planning for regional transportation,

3245
07:59:48,560 --> 07:59:53,040
we really need to be communicating well, the Commissioner is communicating well so that

3246
07:59:53,040 --> 07:59:55,060
these plans begin to hold hands like better.

3247
07:59:55,480 --> 07:59:57,880
Our staff, our staff is doing an excellent job with that too,

3248
07:59:58,460 --> 07:59:59,920
but we're the one sitting at the table.

3249
08:00:00,000 --> 08:00:08,280
We get there. So I'm going to rely heavy on that. And I also realize that a lot of these decisions are not decisions that happen tomorrow.

3250
08:00:08,940 --> 08:00:17,760
There are decisions that are years into making and down the road. And so it's a long-term investment. So I don't think there's anything quick to change about it.

3251
08:00:18,020 --> 08:00:28,200
But I promise to communicate and do the best that I can and learn the most that I can from that. It is a lot more counties involved than you would think it would be.

3252
08:00:28,200 --> 08:00:33,820
Um, I'll try to name him. I think it's more to Lee, Chad. Um, orange. Is that correct?

3253
08:00:34,140 --> 08:00:36,540
Not not orange. I think maybe burn it.

3254
08:00:36,720 --> 08:00:37,320
Who's an orange one?

3255
08:00:37,360 --> 08:00:37,420
Yeah.

3256
08:00:37,420 --> 08:00:38,900
Make a mission right there. Orange.

3257
08:00:39,200 --> 08:00:40,080
Very right to this orange.

3258
08:00:40,880 --> 08:00:41,500
Right right.

3259
08:00:42,220 --> 08:00:45,120
Um, and so it would end, um, and so she's in.

3260
08:00:45,260 --> 08:00:47,780
Tart is in, um, triangle West.

3261
08:00:49,380 --> 08:00:54,720
I think part of orange is imparted and I think the rule area is what she was talking about. There was

3262
08:00:54,720 --> 08:00:58,780
one thing for Orange County on there. But I'm just saying it's not just chat

3263
08:00:58,780 --> 08:01:03,680
up County, it's a big area and it is rural areas and I'll do the best I can

3264
08:01:04,400 --> 08:01:07,980
to to learn and communicate with the whole board on that.

3265
08:01:08,920 --> 08:01:11,080
Right. You're tired, right? So you got time.

3266
08:01:11,540 --> 08:01:12,080
Yes, you got time.

3267
08:01:13,080 --> 08:01:17,600
Awesome. Thank you. I wanted to say I appreciate your words. I appreciate you being

3268
08:01:17,600 --> 08:01:24,220
well into serving. It is almost more time consuming than being a commissioner.

3269
08:01:24,220 --> 08:01:30,440
my experience on that metropolitan planning organization. I drive two hours in total just to get

3270
08:01:30,440 --> 08:01:41,440
to those meetings, let alone how many hours those meetings are. And they give you a book of acronyms

3271
08:01:41,440 --> 08:01:52,780
when you start because they speak in those. So it is a huge investment in education, but

3272
08:01:52,780 --> 08:01:57,760
I appreciate you being willing to serve, and we know you're good researchers.

3273
08:01:58,320 --> 08:02:08,760
Well, I will take all the advice that you have and like to learn from your successes and failures so that I don't make the same failures that might be in the future.

3274
08:02:09,140 --> 08:02:12,260
But I do promise to do my best at it.

3275
08:02:12,700 --> 08:02:16,180
All right. We've had a motion in a second. All in favor.

3276
08:02:16,920 --> 08:02:16,980
Hi.

3277
08:02:17,180 --> 08:02:17,300
Hi.

3278
08:02:18,020 --> 08:02:18,420
Thank you.

3279
08:02:18,940 --> 08:02:20,020
Appreciate it.

3280
08:02:20,020 --> 08:02:32,020
All right, next step is item two six zero four seven three vote to appoint a district four recommended member to the planning board with a term expiring December 31, 2026, or re-advertise.

3281
08:02:36,010 --> 08:02:44,130
Mr. I want to make a motion to appoint Whitney Schmidt from district four to the planning board.

3282
08:02:44,130 --> 08:02:46,850
It's great all second. All in favor.

3283
08:02:49,770 --> 08:02:50,330
Thank

3284
08:02:56,030 --> 08:02:56,590
you.

3285
08:02:58,590 --> 08:02:58,790
All right.

3286
08:02:58,850 --> 08:03:00,610
I guess the building isn't burning down.

3287
08:03:01,810 --> 08:03:02,730
That's okay.

3288
08:03:03,310 --> 08:03:04,010
It's good news.

3289
08:03:04,750 --> 08:03:06,330
Hopefully it's good news on your end.

3290
08:03:06,730 --> 08:03:06,830
All right.

3291
08:03:06,890 --> 08:03:08,310
Next is item 260437,

3292
08:03:09,570 --> 08:03:10,670
but to adopt a resolution,

3293
08:03:10,670 --> 08:03:14,670
improving the 2027 Board of Commissioners meeting schedule

3294
08:03:14,670 --> 08:03:18,430
and fiscal year of 2028 budget calendar

3295
08:03:19,310 --> 08:03:22,370
clerk to the Board Jennifer Johnson will present this item.

3296
08:03:24,190 --> 08:03:30,490
I think that the horn was to let me know to come on up. I appreciate that.

3297
08:03:33,330 --> 08:03:36,710
All of this item right quick.

3298
08:04:16,410 --> 08:04:24,710
Okay, so we wanted to let you know a few things that we were proposing to change.

3299
08:04:24,710 --> 08:04:32,470
The first thing is in the budget calendar and all of these are incorporated into this one calendar.

3300
08:04:33,470 --> 08:04:39,390
We're moving back the budget retreat to the next week.

3301
08:05:00,000 --> 08:05:22,120
Moving that back a week, still the same number of days and laid out the same. The next thing that we're doing is adding, I think, three, first Monday meetings, only calendar, the first one is April the 5th.

3302
08:05:22,120 --> 08:05:38,120
And this is also a dual thing, the afternoon of that day instead of a work session for normal items will do a preliminary budget work session, which was similar to that special call meeting that we have this past year.

3303
08:05:38,120 --> 08:05:40,280
So that'll happen that afternoon.

3304
08:05:41,980 --> 08:05:49,280
Then the next one is, see, in June.

3305
08:05:50,140 --> 08:05:54,420
So as you are quite aware, our summer has been a little heavy this year.

3306
08:05:55,060 --> 08:06:00,600
So that we can anticipate for that a little bit better and not have such long meetings.

3307
08:06:01,700 --> 08:06:05,300
We are adding June the 7th.

3308
08:06:05,300 --> 08:06:09,020
And then, sorry, Jennifer, there was also a may for...

3309
08:06:09,020 --> 08:06:11,020
So that's one there's always on there.

3310
08:06:11,240 --> 08:06:13,880
That's when the budget is presented.

3311
08:06:14,700 --> 08:06:17,260
So that one there's one we always have.

3312
08:06:18,120 --> 08:06:22,060
So there's some Mondays that you routinely have every year.

3313
08:06:22,620 --> 08:06:25,720
The December one, November and May, I think,

3314
08:06:25,860 --> 08:06:28,120
are the three that we have for Garclas.

3315
08:06:30,620 --> 08:06:34,380
So, yes, so June 7th is a new one

3316
08:06:34,380 --> 08:06:40,820
to help with some of that summer stuff that's going on and then August the second.

3317
08:06:42,320 --> 08:06:50,760
Is the second one? So those are the three. Everything else is the same kind of calendar that we

3318
08:06:50,760 --> 08:06:57,580
normally have. So we always have the first meeting in November and December. So we're adding those

3319
08:06:57,580 --> 08:07:06,600
free first Monday meetings for next year's. What our recommendation is? Can you go back

3320
08:07:06,600 --> 08:07:15,120
up to April? April? Okay. Yeah, so we'll have two meetings that month, but one of them will

3321
08:07:15,120 --> 08:07:22,200
be the the preliminary budget. Is that the new meeting that we started last budget cycle? Yes.

3322
08:07:22,200 --> 08:07:22,880
Okay,

3323
08:07:27,420 --> 08:07:34,820
I didn't find that one particularly helpful, but that could be a discussion for another time.

3324
08:07:35,640 --> 08:07:39,940
Well, and we can still do the separate ones if we want to do.

3325
08:07:43,980 --> 08:07:45,400
Okay. Any other questions?

3326
08:07:47,020 --> 08:07:53,520
So we would just need a motion from you all to,

3327
08:07:53,520 --> 08:07:55,920
Let's not yet.

3328
08:07:58,230 --> 08:08:02,670
I'll make motion to approve the schedule of our meetings as presented.

3329
08:08:03,350 --> 08:08:04,730
Thank you.

3330
08:08:05,730 --> 08:08:06,410
Sir, second.

3331
08:08:08,130 --> 08:08:08,690
All in favor?

3332
08:08:09,630 --> 08:08:09,790
Aye.

3333
08:08:10,590 --> 08:08:11,050
Great.

3334
08:08:12,030 --> 08:08:13,370
Thank you very much.

3335
08:08:14,170 --> 08:08:14,250
Thank you.

3336
08:08:14,610 --> 08:08:17,230
Next is item 26470.

3337
08:08:17,230 --> 08:08:24,630
Vote to approve a process for appointment of the Goldstone Golf Sanitary District Board.

3338
08:08:24,630 --> 08:08:29,170
vacancy, county manager, Brian Thompson will be presenting this item.

3339
08:08:34,880 --> 08:08:35,580
I'm having a presentation.

3340
08:08:36,780 --> 08:08:37,020
Sorry.

3341
08:08:40,910 --> 08:08:43,790
Good evening, Madam Chair, members of the board.

3342
08:08:45,370 --> 08:08:52,790
As you see in the agenda packets, just a way of introduction, the Goldstone Golf Sanitary District

3343
08:08:52,790 --> 08:08:59,470
is a local public utility district, based in Goldstone, that provides water and wastewater

3344
08:08:59,470 --> 08:09:05,530
to customers in and around the Golston and Gulf communities in Shadow County.

3345
08:09:06,510 --> 08:09:17,570
A member of the Golston Golf Sanitary District Board, Mr. Henry Kitchens, passed way on June 27,

3346
08:09:17,770 --> 08:09:24,690
2026, therefore were there by creating a vacancy under North Carolina General Statutes,

3347
08:09:24,690 --> 08:09:33,510
1-38 governs sanitary districts, and as part of that statute, the CHAMP County Board of Commissioners

3348
08:09:33,510 --> 08:09:40,130
has its role to play with the existence of this vacancy where you would identify a process

3349
08:09:40,130 --> 08:09:46,150
to go through to fill that vacancy. On a staff level, we've spoken with the county attorney.

3350
08:09:48,150 --> 08:09:54,270
Our thought and recommendation to you is to basically follow the appointment process for

3351
08:09:54,270 --> 08:09:59,970
advisory committees that we currently have in place, which would include noticing the big-

3352
08:10:00,000 --> 08:10:13,980
Through a media release website, email list, notice for 30 days, and then Board of Commissioners, review the application, and then the Board of Commissioners, a point that member to the sanitary district,

3353
08:10:16,700 --> 08:10:25,940
the vacancy would continue whoever is selected to fill that vacancy would continue to serve until December 6th,

3354
08:10:25,940 --> 08:10:42,540
27 and would be relieved either they if they were to run and were elected or somebody else ran and were elected when that person takes the oath of office, then the person who's standing in in that vacancy will be relieved of office.

3355
08:10:43,600 --> 08:10:51,480
So those are our thoughts happy to entertain any additional thoughts and ask any answer any questions.

3356
08:10:52,720 --> 08:11:01,730
What do you think the turnaround would be to do that, but since we have to have a meeting and I kind of think is it like a month, to do what you're proposing?

3357
08:11:02,630 --> 08:11:06,450
It would be, I would say just over a month.

3358
08:11:06,450 --> 08:11:27,050
Yeah, we, when we talk to the staff with Galston Golf Sanitary District, we told them that it would anticipate the board making an appointment at the October meeting, but that would be of course up to the board commissioners.

3359
08:11:34,610 --> 08:11:40,550
All right. Is there a motion to approve a process for appointment at the Galston Golf Sanitary District Board?

3360
08:11:40,550 --> 08:11:47,250
I can say. So I moved. Oh, second. All in favor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Brian.

3361
08:11:48,630 --> 08:11:54,630
All right, Marie. And I know he's gone, but I wanted to thank Henry Kitchens for his service.

3362
08:11:55,070 --> 08:12:00,710
And he taught me how to drive. He was a driver's head teacher in Chatham for he had already been

3363
08:12:00,710 --> 08:12:07,250
doing it for 30 years when I had him and it was a long time. He's up. And I want to make

3364
08:12:07,250 --> 08:12:10,890
self-emission. He taught me to drive too. So I don't know. Maybe I've been more than 30 years.

3365
08:12:11,550 --> 08:12:13,070
Wow. That was 94.

3366
08:12:14,810 --> 08:12:20,830
My goodness. 94. All thank you for that. And as we transition, I think, Emily.

3367
08:12:21,530 --> 08:12:27,330
Four of Lindsay steps up. There is one thing I want to just advise you all on about the

3368
08:12:27,330 --> 08:12:34,710
lock, Lee Holdings case and the anthem net. As you all know, it's quasi judicial. You all are the judges.

3369
08:12:34,710 --> 08:12:40,070
And I know there's a lot of community interests, but you all really need to be careful about

3370
08:12:40,070 --> 08:12:42,030
exparte communications.

3371
08:12:42,450 --> 08:12:45,830
So that is communications about the case.

3372
08:12:46,210 --> 08:12:49,430
Any exparte communications would need to be disclosed.

3373
08:12:49,950 --> 08:12:56,770
And so I would recommend that you just avoid exparte communications about either of the quasi-judicial

3374
08:12:56,770 --> 08:12:57,330
hearings.

3375
08:12:58,250 --> 08:12:59,450
Thank you, Emily.

3376
08:13:00,130 --> 08:13:04,890
I know some of those folks are still here, so don't talk to us.

3377
08:13:09,390 --> 08:13:10,350
All right.

3378
08:13:11,210 --> 08:13:17,910
Now we're up for our intergovernmental relations report with manager Lindsay Wright.

3379
08:13:18,750 --> 08:13:20,050
Thank you, commissioners.

3380
08:13:20,770 --> 08:13:25,330
So last week, you got the first edition of the intergovernmental relations newsletter and

3381
08:13:26,170 --> 08:13:34,230
Commissioner Robertson and Commissioner Canline provide us in feedback already, but as we go forward, I'd really love to get your feedback if you think it's helpful if it's just another thing to read.

3382
08:13:34,570 --> 08:13:38,050
If you need it to be more in depth or if you need less information.

3383
08:13:39,110 --> 08:13:51,110
The goal is to try to do it every two weeks, which I think once sessions, once they're back in session, there might be more frequent communication, but we don't know what to have to see how it goes.

3384
08:13:51,110 --> 08:14:01,110
I did want to give you an update since your last meeting when you voted to send a letter to our Senators in Washington about to say that.

3385
08:14:01,550 --> 08:14:11,690
So we anticipated we would hear from Senator Celis and we did a very positive response that he shares many of your concerns and we'll keep those in mind going forward.

3386
08:14:13,070 --> 08:14:23,510
We knew that Senator Bud was a co-sponsor of the bill and weren't really expecting to hear anything back, but we did hear that we're reminded that he was a co-sponsor of the bill, but they appreciated the feedback.

3387
08:14:24,170 --> 08:14:25,850
So I just wanted you to know they both responded.

3388
08:14:28,530 --> 08:14:37,150
Last Thursday, we got our NACO update from the government affairs committee department.

3389
08:15:00,000 --> 08:15:29,720
I'm going to pick out some things to put in your next newsletter. But there's one thing I wanted to go ahead and talk to you about, that if you have seen it from Neko, you might not know what is all about. And I think at the conference this week, you probably will hear a commissioner or a CACC person talk about it. And I just want you to have a kind of a high level overview of what this is. And the Office of Management and Budget, the Federal Office of Management and Budget, has something called uniform guidance for all federal

3390
08:15:29,720 --> 08:15:35,440
So your ARPA grants, you all heard about that in the past couple of years with ARPA, and it's guidance.

3391
08:15:36,040 --> 08:15:42,460
It was not regulation and the OMB has proposed another rule of regulation.

3392
08:15:42,620 --> 08:15:45,040
It would be regulation instead of guidance.

3393
08:15:46,060 --> 08:15:53,640
And the basically, the short of it is the federal grants process has always been nonpartisan.

3394
08:15:53,640 --> 08:16:00,500
it's not, which is how what you would want that to be and they have made it very clear

3395
08:16:00,500 --> 08:16:06,080
with this proposed rule that it would be partisan, that there would actually be a political

3396
08:16:06,080 --> 08:16:13,200
appointee reviewing the grant applications. There's a whole lot of other many more things

3397
08:16:13,200 --> 08:16:20,600
that are concerning that I don't think we need to go into now, but finances are where the public

3398
08:16:20,600 --> 08:16:28,440
period in the July 13th, and I think they got 480,000 comments that they had to respond to every single one.

3399
08:16:29,480 --> 08:16:32,960
So they've already done that miraculously, and it was set.

3400
08:16:33,100 --> 08:16:38,560
It is still set to go into effect October 1st, which is our biggest concern.

3401
08:16:38,920 --> 08:16:45,060
That is not a lot of time to change everything we know and do in relating related to federal grants.

3402
08:16:46,420 --> 08:16:55,120
However, the Senate passed a continuing resolution that would delay that start date to December

3403
08:16:55,120 --> 08:16:55,620
11.

3404
08:16:56,200 --> 08:17:01,500
So we're happy that we have some more time to try to work on this, but that is not a done deal

3405
08:17:01,500 --> 08:17:01,820
yet.

3406
08:17:01,960 --> 08:17:04,960
We need the House to also agree on the same language.

3407
08:17:05,840 --> 08:17:11,960
And so we will be reaching out to the delegation, all of them, asking them to please consider

3408
08:17:11,960 --> 08:17:20,460
passing the Senate's version on language from the continuing resolution or delay even longer.

3409
08:17:20,660 --> 08:17:26,620
December 11th is still very close. It's not a lot of time to try to get this done and we're

3410
08:17:26,620 --> 08:17:32,280
looking in chat and we we won't have the impact the way some other places will but we want to

3411
08:17:32,280 --> 08:17:36,560
be unified all counties together that we need to work on this. I just wanted to make sure

3412
08:17:36,560 --> 08:17:43,300
heard about it, we're in it, we're learning about it every day, so don't panic or anything.

3413
08:17:43,780 --> 08:17:45,380
The some people I think are panicked.

3414
08:17:46,320 --> 08:17:47,500
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty scary.

3415
08:17:48,300 --> 08:17:57,180
But Lindsay, is it one political employee appointee who will oversee all?

3416
08:17:57,320 --> 08:18:06,440
No, so it would be based on agency, so each agency decides to adopt the rules and

3417
08:18:06,440 --> 08:18:11,000
And so the appointee would not be for all federal grants.

3418
08:18:11,920 --> 08:18:12,640
That's our understanding.

3419
08:18:13,140 --> 08:18:15,360
The problem is so much of the rule is vague.

3420
08:18:15,880 --> 08:18:17,900
We have a lot more answers than we have questions.

3421
08:18:18,540 --> 08:18:21,440
And if they don't nail down some of that stuff,

3422
08:18:21,640 --> 08:18:23,700
it's going to be very hard to comply with.

3423
08:18:24,640 --> 08:18:27,600
But it sounded like that each agency would

3424
08:18:27,600 --> 08:18:30,620
have an political appointee to review the grants

3425
08:18:30,620 --> 08:18:32,520
granted by that agency.

3426
08:18:35,490 --> 08:18:37,910
And so that just means the person reviewing

3427
08:18:37,910 --> 08:18:45,130
is purposely from a political leaning, not which could impact how they pick grants, but they're

3428
08:18:45,130 --> 08:18:52,250
not going to change how they technically offer and weed through grants.

3429
08:18:53,930 --> 08:19:02,510
Not how they're offered. I think how it's scored. How they're scored. So it may very well change

3430
08:19:02,510 --> 08:19:08,470
the typical outcomes of the current process, right, and guidance.

3431
08:19:09,970 --> 08:19:14,430
There's also, there are a lot of questions around whether or not,

3432
08:19:14,870 --> 08:19:18,210
so it also ties to administration policy.

3433
08:19:19,490 --> 08:19:22,370
So it says in the role that any,

3434
08:19:23,150 --> 08:19:25,110
I can't remember the exact terminology,

3435
08:19:26,390 --> 08:19:29,790
negative reputation, something that would make,

3436
08:19:29,790 --> 08:19:38,550
Something that Chattam County does that the current executive branch does not feel is in line with their policies,

3437
08:19:40,790 --> 08:19:56,290
that you, it is possible you could lead your funding for that, but it doesn't give any definition of what does that mean, what does the line with the policy policies mean, so that's why I think counties all over the country are very concerned about this because there's just not enough

3438
08:19:58,150 --> 08:19:59,970
Specificity to know how to...

3439
08:20:00,880 --> 08:20:07,240
It's Thursday, through Saturday, and some of you, I think, are signed up for this Saturday evening

3440
08:20:07,880 --> 08:20:20,160
event as a bill. And we, and I'll notice today, just to notice the meetings are, since to notice that your attendance that you all be there.

3441
08:20:20,160 --> 08:20:30,300
And speaking of that, there's a weekly that goes out, and if you all sign up for any of those events,

3442
08:20:30,880 --> 08:20:41,640
or if you're going to any of those events, if you'll please just let us know so that if there's a form of the board going to those events that we do notice that to the public.

3443
08:20:42,200 --> 08:20:43,720
That's all I have.

3444
08:20:44,120 --> 08:20:45,480
Thank you. Thank you.

3445
08:20:45,480 --> 08:20:46,200
Thank you.

3446
08:20:46,300 --> 08:20:46,980
Manage the report.

3447
08:20:50,000 --> 08:20:52,440
I don't have anything to report.

3448
08:20:53,080 --> 08:21:00,100
I do just want to say I look forward to spend time with you all in a few days in Durham with our

3449
08:21:00,100 --> 08:21:01,260
NCC conference.

3450
08:21:02,040 --> 08:21:02,480
Okay.

3451
08:21:02,740 --> 08:21:03,920
Thank you.

3452
08:21:04,480 --> 08:21:09,000
Next up we have Commissioner Reports, Commissioner Robertson.

3453
08:21:11,710 --> 08:21:15,670
The only thing I really got to report on is I went to the Tarpo and had a good time there.

3454
08:21:16,230 --> 08:21:17,950
Really happy that our staff was there.

3455
08:21:17,950 --> 08:21:26,790
It was obvious that our staff is a step ahead of what was going on and I'm excited that the work that she's doing and

3456
08:21:26,790 --> 08:21:29,470
That we're going to

3457
08:21:29,470 --> 08:21:35,170
There was talk about micro kind of bus rides or that kind of thing in

3458
08:21:35,170 --> 08:21:43,650
Sanford that was intriguing to me and I look forward to learning more about that with what Pitch Pearl's doing is sounded very similar

3459
08:21:43,650 --> 08:21:47,530
And it'd be really good if that would be something that we could figure out

3460
08:21:47,530 --> 08:21:51,650
how to make happen more across our county, especially in

3461
08:21:51,650 --> 08:21:56,990
South of City, and between Pittsburgh and South of City to help bring

3462
08:21:56,990 --> 08:22:00,310
parts of that together. So I had a good time with that.

3463
08:22:01,850 --> 08:22:02,930
Thank you, Mr. Caleb.

3464
08:22:06,180 --> 08:22:07,600
I was able to attend the

3465
08:22:08,220 --> 08:22:11,780
web-squared panel discussion who shows up for Black entrepreneurs,

3466
08:22:13,580 --> 08:22:17,480
and it was good to be there. I was the only elected official and it was a

3467
08:22:17,480 --> 08:22:25,440
great turnout and I'm happy to share more about that. If anybody's interested in some of the

3468
08:22:25,440 --> 08:22:28,980
connections I made and what happened?

3469
08:22:32,590 --> 08:22:35,670
Commissioner Howard, I have nothing to report.

3470
08:22:40,320 --> 08:22:49,960
She has going to say that I've, I guess, in tangent to the local state reaching into local

3471
08:22:49,960 --> 08:22:54,580
jurisdictions under next Board of Health meeting will be looking at the

3472
08:22:54,580 --> 08:23:01,800
Mending our well-policy just to to recent policy from the state level affecting

3473
08:23:01,800 --> 08:23:09,160
private wells regulation at the local public health department and tomorrow I'll be

3474
08:23:09,160 --> 08:23:14,720
having a UNC health chat room board meeting. That's all.

3475
08:23:15,320 --> 08:23:23,000
Great. Thank you. All right. A couple things here on the fifth Brian and I met with Madison

3476
08:23:23,000 --> 08:23:29,640
Kilgore represented from Governor's Science Office. So she's going to be sort of a new person.

3477
08:23:29,860 --> 08:23:34,300
This is a new thing. His office is doing. She's going to represent the Piedmont region to

3478
08:23:34,300 --> 08:23:40,280
keep him updated on things that are issues here that we're facing. And we'll be in a new point

3479
08:23:40,280 --> 08:23:48,320
contact for us, attended a ribbon cutting, Mr. Robertson was there as well with me for

3480
08:23:48,320 --> 08:23:49,740
Sipers Cafe in Bakery.

3481
08:23:50,420 --> 08:23:57,060
At the Alpha Center, it's a new coffee shop bakery of a Hillsborough street and owner

3482
08:23:57,060 --> 08:24:03,480
Rachel Adam and created the Bakery as part of a brisa foundation, so basically she uses

3483
08:24:03,480 --> 08:24:09,420
this to support a healthy community but with a focus on mental health for young people to give

3484
08:24:09,420 --> 08:24:17,000
opportunities to work there and learn and support Jesus psychiatrists for young people.

3485
08:24:17,140 --> 08:24:22,120
So that was a really impressive thing and hopefully folks can go and bring them some business

3486
08:24:22,120 --> 08:24:29,620
and keep them going. I met with Josh Harris, Western, Chin and Chamber for lunch just to get

3487
08:24:29,620 --> 08:24:35,980
updated on things they're doing over there. Nothing really new is curious about the data center

3488
08:24:35,980 --> 08:24:42,180
atorium and some things happening here. I was contacted by

3489
08:25:00,000 --> 08:25:08,480
Speed limit and by an image road and they were really concerned about it being really fast. We've got new developments out there and other ones coming.

3490
08:25:09,460 --> 08:25:16,740
So I got up with Jason Miller at the DOT and they spent a month, had people go out and check it out and did a new analysis.

3491
08:25:17,540 --> 08:25:26,920
And they have since lowered the speed limit down to 45 miles an hour. So I think this is go local citizens and reach out and sometimes it really can happen.

3492
08:25:27,820 --> 08:25:35,120
As Mike said, attended the Vocal Transportation RTAC meeting in Sanford with him last week

3493
08:25:35,120 --> 08:25:43,000
on Thursday, we adopted the final proposed rankings for Road Projects in Chattam County

3494
08:25:43,000 --> 08:25:50,780
that was recommended by our Board of Transportation attended an event like was also there

3495
08:25:50,780 --> 08:25:54,260
this week at Korra where we were seeing,

3496
08:25:54,260 --> 08:25:58,120
they were seeing 40,000 pounds of food on Friday

3497
08:25:58,740 --> 08:26:00,580
from church of the Latter-day Saints.

3498
08:26:00,700 --> 08:26:04,860
This is a big donation and they're working on that.

3499
08:26:04,860 --> 08:26:08,720
The church is on a national basis across all states

3500
08:26:08,720 --> 08:26:12,180
and they actually supported Korra here in our county,

3501
08:26:12,320 --> 08:26:13,580
which was really awesome.

3502
08:26:14,120 --> 08:26:16,760
So it was great to be there and see that happen.

3503
08:26:17,240 --> 08:26:18,700
We were there when really early,

3504
08:26:18,700 --> 08:26:20,940
when the truck arrived at 8 o'clock.

3505
08:26:21,900 --> 08:26:24,480
So Lindsey was there as well, and spoke.

3506
08:26:24,760 --> 08:26:28,440
So as part of the 250 events, that was really cool.

3507
08:26:30,640 --> 08:26:34,280
And the last little bit I wanted to share is that this summer

3508
08:26:34,280 --> 08:26:39,100
has been really hot, and I can't see things getting any better,

3509
08:26:39,300 --> 08:26:41,780
because climate change is real, and it's here,

3510
08:26:41,880 --> 08:26:44,720
and it's just getting worse, and we all know it,

3511
08:26:44,860 --> 08:26:47,180
and we're trying to do all we can to work on that.

3512
08:26:47,880 --> 08:26:54,720
But I got really concerned this summer about seniors and who was checking on them.

3513
08:26:55,040 --> 08:26:59,740
So I called our local health department and said, you know, what can I do to help?

3514
08:27:00,680 --> 08:27:04,500
And one of the things they said is to join their meals on wheels program.

3515
08:27:05,100 --> 08:27:07,440
And so I've gone through the process and applications.

3516
08:27:07,980 --> 08:27:12,480
And I think I've passed my background check and they're trying to get me on a ride along

3517
08:27:12,480 --> 08:27:13,760
with some folks first.

3518
08:27:13,760 --> 08:27:18,560
And then I'm going to start working on meals on wheels across the county to try and help check on

3519
08:27:19,860 --> 08:27:25,720
Folks that can't easily get out and I think that you probably knew some of that when you were

3520
08:27:25,720 --> 08:27:31,580
Sheriff you checked on a lot of people and I I really worry about that. So this is something I'm doing

3521
08:27:32,640 --> 08:27:34,900
And I think that's all I have tonight

3522
08:27:35,520 --> 08:27:42,020
Would be thrilled if anybody wanted to join me though. Do I have a motion to adjourn some of