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Is there a second?
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» Thank you very much. All in favor?
>> I opposed. Carried.

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Uh, is there anyone here to speak to the
committee on the privilege of the floor?

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This would be the time to come forward.
Speak to the committee. I'm not seeing

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or hearing anyone for the privilege of
the floor. So, we will close the

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privilege of the floor. We have three
items. A fairly uh light agenda this

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week uh or this month. Uh three items
are on the agenda. The first one is a

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discussion item only information only
such as my understanding we are not de

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voting on this one as it's not a
proposed resolution. It is local law

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intro 1226. So if if there's anybody
here to speak on it that uh want to come

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down or if they have a microphone in
front of them and want to stay there

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that's that's fine as well. Uh it's a
local law requiring operators of motor

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vehicles to maintain a safe distance to
three feet when overtaking

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non-motorists. And I see that this is um
this is being sponsored by legislator

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Nelson.
>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um yeah,

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I guess this started back in April. Uh
I'm in a a cycling group that's well

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represented by the county sheriff's
department. Uh it's led by Tim Kimberg

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and Tim Hollerin and uh John Heden is a
member. My brother Bill Nelson is a

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member. So, we've got a lot of the, you
know, the sheriff's department well

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represented. Um, we are out there
usually on a Tuesday night riding about

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20 miles and you may have seen us. Um,
you really can't miss us because we all

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have reflectors and lights and bright
green shirts and helmets and and uh

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anyway, in talking to Tim Kimberg and
Tim Hollerin, they mentioned a

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three-foot law. This was back in April.
And um I did a little research on it and

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then I have talked to Sheriff Quatron
about it and you know what I found out

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is that in in New York state the law
requires a motorist to exercise do care

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uh and pass a bicyclist at a safe
distance. The problem is is what is a

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safe distance? And that can mean
different things to different people.

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Um, if you're out there cycling like I
am, you find some people pass you and

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you feel like your elbow just went out a
little bit, you bump them and some

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people are, you know, give you plenty of
room. So, um, what I think this does is

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it establishes a three-foot minimum
which provides drivers with a simple,

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uh, you know, understandable distance
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used when passing. Um it's uh it's
something that it's already a law in 33

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other states and the District of
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in within New York State. Um it's been
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Courtland counties. Our law is very
similar to Courtland counties.

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um in Monroe County it was passed and it
was called Car's Carrie Ray's law

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because Caryn Ray was a 46-year-old
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elementary school teacher from Brockport
um who was killed while riding her bike

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um on a road uh the Sweden Walker road
in Brockport. um and you know a a a

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mother and wife and really a beloved
member of the community and so her

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husband fought hard to to get that
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and when
I you know and that's the law has that

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name. It's called Car's Law and I was
thinking

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I'm glad we don't have to name it after
anyone.

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» Uh and then a month ago we had our own
fatality here uh in Chiakwa County. So,

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I think it's a law that is I hope it
makes a difference, you know. Um, I

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think it's something that we need to do
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it's something that I think will give
motorists at least the education piece.

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give them the the idea that we need to
move over and give cyclists or

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pedestrian or somebody if you notice the
law includes

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» uh maybe some money on on horseback,
someone horse and buggy, police officer,

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emergency vehicles.
>> Um give them some space.

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Um I think it's you know an important
thing we can do to make make it a little

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safer out there for for cyclists. Uh I
you know like I said it was something

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that I won't take credit for it. It was
really initiated by uh Tim Kimberg and

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Tim Hollerin who you know mentioned it
to me and uh I thought we should really

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look into this and um I think it'll make
a difference. Uh I think it's something

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that uh you know would make the county a
little bit safer.

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Do you have any
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Be happy to
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I had four questions marked down and you
answered three of them and um so that

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was a a good description. The big thing
I was looking for, [clears throat]

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» excuse me, which you you answered. Uh
but give me that number again. Um so

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this is a only a county thing in New
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» Only in county. Yeah. The it hasn't it's
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Assembly. it hasn't passed through um
you know for through the state

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government. It's a good question as to
why it hasn't. I think you know the

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state is you know it's vastly different
from our county to

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» Mhm.
>> Yeah.

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» you know uh to New York City. I can see
where in New York City may not fit. So

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it might be something that uh makes more
sense to go county by county. Um, I

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think in our county, if you're, you
know, again, uh, there's a number of

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groups that are out riding, uh, we're
kind of an offshoot of a group that used

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to meet at Holly Loft.
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C group. We call ourselves the C minus.
Um, we're not that fast. Uh, but, you

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know, we have on any given night, we
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So, there's a lot of us um and mostly an
older group. Um and I think, you know,

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it would hopefully with the word we get
out there, it would make things a little

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bit safer for anybody out there on the
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» And Tom Tom, did you know did you did
did you list how many counties in New

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York State have similar rules?
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» Okay. The ones you the ones you
specifically named. Okay.

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» Those are the only three right now.
>> All right.

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Um, the penalties are listed there. So,
I I read that. Was there any discussion

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with your sheriff contacts on I'm just
curious on the enforcement? Uh, because

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there's somewhat of a Yeah,
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is in the event of, oh, hey, I was
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I, you know, arguments that would stem
out of that.

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» Yeah. I Well, it's possible. I think you
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in the case of um Carrie Ray from Monroe
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uh was issued a traffic citation.
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was this 78-y old woman who was just
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» a month ago,
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» It was just the only thing they could do
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» issue a citation.
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this would help, I think, in maybe an an
accident in investigation.

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» Um, obviously if an officer observes
this, he can

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» sure
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» Um, you know, to me, it's kind of like a
law that says, uh, no smoking or tobacco

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products at a town park. You know, you
hope people honor that. I hope that this

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kind of becomes something that they talk
about in driver ed.

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» Um that people begin to think, okay,
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and I I see all of the other problems
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» ebikes and, you know, scooters and
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tackle that at some point. Yeah.
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» but this is simply more of an
educational thing. They give them a

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little bit of room. If you can't, you
really have to slow down and pass

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» when it's safe.
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» Yeah. Just wait. I saw that.
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» Other questions or comments?
>> I don't want to dominate anything there

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at all.
>> I see.

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» You are uh also presenting to public
safety. Okay.

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» Yeah. I was going to stay for
administrative services if anybody

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wanted to ask a question about that.
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» yeah,
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» Gotcha. um be available to the other
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» I want to ask any questions.
>> Anybody have anything else? I we're not

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doing anything with other information.
So I appreciate that. Yep.

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» Sure. Good work there. So all right.
Thank you very much for that, Tom.

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We will move on to
I'll leave that there. We'll move on to

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number two of our proposed resolution
authorizing New York State Department of

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Transportation undertakings.
Is there anybody here for that?

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» Oh, okay. Okay.
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» Oh, okay.
All right. That's all right. Thank you.

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Good.
>> Good afternoon. Tim Carr, director of

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public facilities. Uh the resolution
before you is um Department of Public

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Utilities. From time to time, um we
conduct activities within the state

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right away and they're looking for
permits um from the county or to the

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state from the county and this just is a
resolution to um support that. Um we

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have that on file. Um, this is just a
resolution that they're requesting at

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this time for anytime we do work in the
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» Is it more for insurance purposes?
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says. So,
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» No dollars changing hands or anything
like that at all. Is it So, this isn't

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annual. This is as needed.
>> Um, this this is annual, correct?

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» This is annual. Okay. Okay. All right.
Very good. Questions, comments on the

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simple proposed resolution?
>> Mr. Chairman? Yes. Uh Tim, the sewer

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districts just enacted a one of these
undertakings, the county sewer

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districts. So is this required for the
the county DPF separately from the sewer

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districts or could they have been done
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» They probably could have been done
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other day um that the sewer district did
also do it. I understand.

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» Yes, they did.
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» Okay. So maybe going forward we could
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» Yep. Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Anyone else?
Anything else? All right. All those in

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favor of the proposed resolution, please
signify by saying I.

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» I.
>> Any opposed?

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Carried. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Appreciate that.

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All right. And then number three on our
agenda agenda is the author to authorize

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execution of lease agreement with the
town of Shiitaka for the office space

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for the stock county public defender
family court division and on our tables

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as of almost immediately is a um uh
substitution. So we can talk about this

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then we will be looking to uh amend by
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on our desk. Good afternoon gentlemen.
>> Good afternoon. Sam Zutoto, deputy

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director of finance.
>> Josh Rothwell, assistant deputy director

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of public facilities building. [snorts]
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» Thank you for being here.
Alrighty. What do we have here in front

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of us?
the amendment by substitution.

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» Yes. Let's let's uh you know what? Let's
um let's make a uh I'll entertain a

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motion to amend by substitution that
which was left on our desks here.

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» I'll make a motion to uh amend to the
copy laid on our desks.

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» Thank you, Dalton. Is there a second?
>> Second.

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» Thank you very much. All in favor?
>> Opposed? Carried. So the answer to that

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question is yes.
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» all right. So yes, this actually
originally was going to be three

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separate resolutions for one project up
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It made more sense given there was a
local share component that isn't part of

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the grant funding through the probation
and public defenders offices to put this

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all together. It was one resolution to
bring it forward all together. So it was

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more concise. So that is kind of why
we're substituting at this point. Um as

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I mentioned, this is a buildout cost and
10ear leases up at the town of Shiakwa

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for those two departments. and then um
most of it is kind of grant funded and I

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will kind of let Josh give you the
background of why we're here and then we

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can answer any questions.
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um back in let me get my notes pulled up
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Um July 10th of 2024,
um the town of Shitakqua terminated

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their lease with another entity that
actually had a 99-year lease agreement

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with that that other company for that
what the town calls the C-wing. Some

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refer to as the third wing, but we
reference the C-wing. Um during during

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that time, this other um company leased
that space under that 99-year agreement.

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The two departments in which this
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there already. They leased from that
other um company. So these aren't

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technically they're new leases because
the square foots and the numbers have

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changed and now the lease will be
through the town of Shiakqua versus the

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other company. But what happened was on
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January 25th of 24, the uh current owner
at that time before the town was able to

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take the lease back over um essentially
failed to maintain the roof and the roof

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leaked significantly. It [clears throat]
was full of snow and water and it got a

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warm spell and it dumped a bunch of
water and snow and flooded out the whole

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entire hallway into which the probation
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department currently already rented from
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» Um, there was some internal things going
on within that company. I don't really

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know for sure what their dealings were
or what have you, but they ended up

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selling the wing back to the town. So
the space was not able to be occupied by

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us. So we terminated our leases with
with that other company and the town um

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eventually took the space back over
under their own agreement. They got it

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back out of that 99-year lease lock that
the other company had it in.

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» So now
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to have a new roof. Had to have new
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um they had to do mold mold treatment
when the water got in there and then it

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sat from the time that the attorneys
were able to get the possession of the

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wing back over to the town. So quite a
bit of time had had gone by and the town

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has been great this whole time to work
with. I'll add they let us store all our

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stuff across the hall, all our office
furniture and equipment, desks, chairs,

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etc. So all that stuff's currently just
across the hall. Um the the

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[clears throat] probation department
within this resolution actually theirs

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is just an amendment to their lease
because their lease is actually good

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with the town.
>> So there is going to be an amend. That's

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why we wanted to do it on one because
there's literally three steps to this

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but they all coincide. So there's an
amendment which just changes the square

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foot numbers and the costs. Um at the
time we we had been meeting

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um the town was very adamant and in a
hurry to get the space fixed. They did

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the windows, the roofs, uh handicap
entrance, a bunch of stuff. They asked

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the county if we were to get back into a
lease with them with with legislative

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and county executive approval how we
would like to see the space built out.

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So we met um public defenders office,
probation department. We met with them.

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They put it out to bid. They're having
that work done whether or not we lease

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the space or not because they have other
tenants that are interested in renting

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from them. So, the project is currently
going on. The construction project is

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currently going on. Um they're I I would
hope within a month of being completed.

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Um the reason we're we're at this point
in bringing it to to the legislature is

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because there's still some unknowns that
we still don't know about as that third

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part of this is the um amendment to the
buildings and grounds budget of some use

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of the general fund. So when we had
these early discussions with them in

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negotiating, they were very generous at
$10 a square foot, which is cheap rent

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as the county has, you know, ties to the
building as well being taxpayer owned

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building and whatever. And um we we only
agreed to pay up to a certain amount of

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money, which was that $600,000.
And with the grants that um Ned's office

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was able to obtain and Mr. Taylor's
offices were able to obtain were about

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that 125 and change short. So that's 96
square feet. So instead of doing a

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separate lease agreement for just one
office, they're just doing a a contract

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with the probation department to use
that in office as needed. So that's why

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we wanted to change this and make it
into one thing because it's really

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» it's really one one thing. So, um, and I
can't speak, I guess, as much to the,

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um, the grant funding and how how they
came up with that and those numbers and

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stuff that Sam and the departments can
can talk to that.

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» Well, that Okay, so thank you. Thank you
for that, Josh. So, that uh, summary

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questions, comments on that on the
summary of what we're we're doing here

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and that was pretty good detail. Um, you
mentioned the town's been good to work

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with, which I didn't suspect otherwise.
Um,

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uh, questions. Yeah, let me cut it off
there. Questions, comments on any of

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that.
>> I have one. You said the company that

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leased was responsible for the building
at the time they leased it.

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» Just that wing.
>> That wing.

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» Yeah. Or the town gave them the option.
Or you can get out of your 99-year lease

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and sign it back over to us and we'll
take back control of it. And that's

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happening.
>> Now the town's going to take care of the

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building. Yes, absolutely. They have
their own maintenance guy up there and

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also um within this lease agreement,
they also agreed to supply the cleaning

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too um in lie because we're essentially
paying for the hallway buildout which

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isn't included in the square footage of
rent. But instead of trying to break the

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cost of the hallways, you know, getting
the drywall put up and the painting and

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the flooring and the doors that they put
in, instead of trying to figure out what

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exactly that cost, they just said we'll
provide the cleaning for 10 years, which

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in my opinion that outweighs what
hanging 20 sheets of drywall and

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painting would cost. So, um, yeah,
they're they have their own maintenance

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staff. We currently do rent space up
there. The county does up above on the

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second floor. for mental health um rents
a bunch of space up there and uh there

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there's there's not ever any issues with
any maintenance up there.

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» The reason I asked is our South County
buildings going from a private owner to

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another private owner,
you know, here we got somebody to trust

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the town behind us. So, it's kind of
nice to know that somebody we can trust,

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not just one. Thank you.
>> Yep. Thank you.

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Um you had mentioned
um Josh about uh or perhaps Miss Marone

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discussing the grant portion thereof.
>> Yeah, we had some different awards from

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both departments. Um the probation
department had some pre-trial award

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which had a included in that award was a
budget for the build out of this. We

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actually amended the probation budget
earlier this year for the pre-trial

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award that was included in that
amendment earlier this year. And the

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probation or the public defenders office
all had some aid to defense funding also

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that's been approved for for this
purpose in this dollar amount to go

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forward towards this project. And these
funds are something that the county has

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in our possession in a deferred account
waiting for approval on this resolution

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also. So this isn't something we have to
seek reimbursement for. The funds are in

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our possession at this time.
>> All right. Yeah, good information.

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Appreciate that. Anything else? Any
other questions, comments on the

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proposed resolution or the puzzle pieces
that they are putting together?

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» $10 a square foot, you said.
>> Correct.

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» Again, that's just a good working
relationship with the town and the

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county. You know, it's
>> definitely well below going rate for

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square footage costs. Plus, they're
doing the utilities, the water, the

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heat, electric, all the utilities, the
maintenance and the cleaning.

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» It's less than what uh our PE office
pays for our Jamestown space in city

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hall.
>> It's you know how much that is square

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foot?
>> Um I don't offhand. Um

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» 15 that sounds
>> I think it was approximately $15 a

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square. probably close to. Yeah.
>> And that I don't think included

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maintenance or cleaning.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. We we have to pay for cleaning
separately as well. So yeah, so that we

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thought it was a really good rate what
the um Sam and Josh were able to obtain

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and that's why we let them handle it
because they're the experts at that with

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with especially that building. Sure.
Okay. Very good.

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» Anything else?
All right, Mr.

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» Chairman. Yes. Sam, just to clarify, um
>> the appropriation accounts, the $324,420

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» is the total for 10 years.
>> That is the buildout cost for the

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additional buildout. We'll be budgeting
in the rent as it goes forward. That's

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the buildout piece that they're paying
at this to get the $10 a square foot. Um

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and then the $150 was already amended
into the probation budget earlier this

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year. Then the balance is the local
share.

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» Okay. So then the $125580
that's that's a onetime expense.

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» Onetime expense to the county for our
basically our share that's not

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reimburseable or grant funded through
New York State for the buildout cost of

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that.
>> Just wanted to be clear on that. It's

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kind of you know the 324 although it's a
one-time cost. It's covering 10 years

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» and the 125 is Yeah. It's technically
covering 10 years, but it's a it's a

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onetime cost. It's a true onetime cost.
>> So, it won't be spread out over 10

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years. It'll be
>> we expect once the final cost from the

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town to come in that the public defender
will pay their 324,000.

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Um the probation department is already
ready to pay the 150,000 and then

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whatever that final cost, whether it
goes up to the 600 or not, we would

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probably either pay that on one invoice
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» Um but that that's why we're amending it
now. So, we we'll be ready to do it when

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you know basically ready to move
forward. Also, I'd like to clear up too,

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that's a not to exceed number.
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» the the probation department did elect
to not do some of the work that they

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were included in that total cost. So,
they may come back and say it's only

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80,000 when once it's complete, but we
wanted to get it to you guys for

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approval before we go getting the cart
in front of the horse. So, um obviously

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we know we need your approval to do
that. So, um just wanted to get

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everything.
>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you for that

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clarification. Anything else?
All right. Um uh all those in favor of

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the proposed resolution, please signify
by saying I.

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» I. I.
>> Opposed. Carried. Great gentlemen. Thank

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you very much. We appreciate that.
>> Thanks, Adam. Thank you, Josh.

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» And I don't have anything else on my
agenda. Does any of the committee

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members have anything else? All right.
If not, [snorts] we will entertain a

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motion to adjurnn.
>> I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

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» Thank you, Dalton. Is there a second?
>> Second.

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» All in favor?
>> Opposed? Carried. We are

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» adjourned. Let's