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[0:03] Okay, Mr. Mick, I'm ready. Okay, let's restart. You want to take a role? Are you ready? No, I will
[0:10] keep a role. West, Mick, Granger, Jones, McGeele, and Andrews. We have a quorum.
[0:22] Did
[0:29] we send out minutes? I mean electronically at a time?
[0:34] Yes. Did he have to make it in a minute?
[0:38] Oh yeah.
[0:43] What you guys thought was there any corrections that need to be made?
[0:49] I thought they were fine. I don't know what this is.
[0:52] Except it is written.
[0:54] Okay. Motion to do it. Except it is.
[0:56] That's the September 10th.
[1:16] That was a special meeting we had to review
[1:25] the Brownfield project for the former
[1:28] We're going to have a review of those as well in the air, I get your question in the meeting, I think that we've proved.
[1:43] We've been elected.
[1:45] Second.
[1:46] Second.
[1:48] All those in favor.
[1:50] I can say aye.
[1:51] Aye.
[1:51] Opposed?
[1:53] Motion carries.
[1:56] So we're down to number four, Tom.
[1:57] That's where you've done it.
[2:00] Sure.
[2:08] Well, simply the reason for this meeting is that we have to make our annual disbursement for
[2:15] reimbursement costs for two projects, two Brownfield projects in the city.
[2:24] One being the former Shaboykin Village Marina,
[2:31] which was originally
[2:36] Mariners Village project.
[2:38] That
[2:47] project is at its end with this disbursement of $1,500 and $6.00.
[3:00] We'll meet their re-inversible costs of $149,400.
[3:09] So it's William Village, Marina.
[3:15] Basically, that project is now ended with this last disbursement of $1,500 and $6.00.
[3:24] We also have the capabilities of capturing those same tax dollars for the next five years.
[3:35] So what happens with that is we'll put that into our own City of Shabuigan Brownfield Reservant
[3:41] Authority account. This year it's about $5,540.93 and then calculating over the next four years
[3:51] there's just going to be about $7,000 a year.
[3:55] So we're going to accumulate about,
[3:57] just roughly over $33,000, but I'll go into a local account.
[4:03] And those monies can be used for a brown field project,
[4:05] globally.
[4:07] Yeah.
[4:07] It's something we can initiate proactively.
[4:15] No, this board can initiate it.
[4:18] I mean, it's up to them.
[4:19] You just have to abide by the state statute.
[4:22] But you can't, this work can basically initiate their own project and spend those monies on the project without state approval.
[4:32] Yeah, eligible projects.
[4:34] Eligible projects, yeah.
[4:37] No, we're looking at a long tail period to move the second one there.
[4:43] We are, yeah.
[4:44] I couldn't have money to go towards that.
[4:47] I'm not saying I wanted to, but my first answer would be no,
[4:54] but maybe it's a possibility.
[4:56] I have not investigated that too.
[4:59] So it's
[5:02] been synthesized or established through the plan.
[5:06] Yeah, through that particular plan.
[5:08] Because there are.
[5:09] And after this period, what's the balance of that balance?
[5:14] After the credit union, oh, it's
[5:18] roughly almost $400,000. I can get you that exact amount
[5:23] about it and really calculate it open. It's going to take a
[5:27] long time. It's never again. It was really intended to get paid
[5:32] back in about 12 years.
[5:36] But we didn't take it to the DDA for the
[5:42] mediated four-go their capture so by not doing that
[5:49] It's gonna take almost 23 years
[5:51] To pay it back, but
[5:56] Mac McClellan is looking at that max max does a lot of brownfield projects throughout the state and
[6:01] He's done a lot a lot of projects for us and
[6:11] They're not they're not disappointed I guess I know as long as they know they're gonna get their money back that were
[6:17] three reversible costs it is about they're getting about 50% less than any
[6:23] normally would they're in their tax bill is about 50,000 a year so it's you
[6:32] know 17,000 517 is getting reimbursed so it's 30% yeah
[6:46] yeah
[6:50] that's yeah
[6:50] That puts the negative, that they spark a lot, that they could be hiring, wouldn't they know?
[6:57] Sure.
[6:58] They did get some federal income tax credits, state income tax credits along with that, so that helped them.
[7:13] It would become easy to find out the answer to that question, but whether that money could be appropriate for existing projects as opposed to the new ones come out.
[7:30] I think that would be worth what I'm known.
[7:34] Just somebody's going to ask a question at some time.
[7:36] Sure.
[7:37] That's a good question to ask.
[7:43] Yeah, I talked to Matt McCleone last week, I didn't ask him that question, but I'll ask
[7:47] him.
[7:49] You know what you're talking about?
[7:50] Part of the question.
[7:51] And I found out that reporting was that amount of violence, I'd be asking that question right
[7:57] away.
[7:58] Sure.
[8:01] Yeah.
[8:01] We're going to be distributed to us.
[8:08] Yeah, that's a good question today. I'll ask Mac that so
[8:15] we need two motions. Yeah, I don't remember four of the
[8:20] four
[8:22] The marriage village project now. It's a boy. You village Marina. We had a motion to do this first
[8:27] 1,500 of six cents
[8:48] I'll take a I'll take a rope. I'll take a roll call, but I'll leave it
[8:51] That's not the second one we definitely should take a roll call, but we'll do both.
[8:56] Mick?
[8:57] Yes.
[8:58] Jones?
[8:59] Yes.
[8:59] The meal?
[9:00] Yes.
[9:01] An Andrews?
[9:02] Yes.
[9:03] Okay.
[9:06] So that's approved.
[9:10] Item number five is the consideration of the disbursement of funds for the Straits Area Federal
[9:13] Credit Union.
[9:15] Those funds are 17,517 dollars on 57 cents.
[9:21] On the back page, where it shows those calculated dispersions, it shows a negative 122.25
[9:31] Bridget Brown, our treasurer, has since corrected that.
[9:34] She paid a bill out of this brownfield account that wasn't full of brownfield dollars,
[9:40] so we're making an adjustment on that.
[9:42] So the
[9:48] balance is $24,558.56 in these three figures that are in handwritten and add up to that.
[9:58] So we'll have, at the end of the disbursement of $17,517.57, we will have $5,540.93 in the account.
[10:19] Yes, since we started reimbursing it, it
[10:27] goes up slightly because of the rate of inflation
[10:31] so the tax level value goes up for rate of inflation so they get, they're incrementally
[10:35] going to get a little more each year but you know two to three percent is typically the
[10:41] rate of inflation.
[10:54] We don't get as far as like the new projects that those those dollars will come in at tax
[11:06] element and like at the end of March when we when we settled with the county the county
[11:11] pressure will calculate the tax element and then the kind of
[11:16] pressure disperses that to the city, goes into the account.
[11:23] We're also going to have to manage,
[11:27] at least the city
[11:29] treasurer will have to manage a brown field project for
[11:32] efficient motors.
[11:34] They went through a project that's basically between the
[11:38] property owner and what is now the EGLE was the DQ, the
[11:46] the Department of Environment, great lakes and energy.
[11:52] But this Brownfield Board doesn't have to approve that,
[11:55] but it still goes through the city issue
[11:58] of working, any disbursements.
[12:02] And he got, it was just awarded.
[12:05] He got $249,000 to demo three buildings,
[12:10] and there's some contamination on the former Duffinny
[12:15] property, which was a gas station at one time.
[12:23] I don't know who the owner was, but it was Steve Sinoqua one time.
[12:29] It was Dave Sinoqua last.
[12:39] That's right.
[12:42] He was quite the mechanic Dave Bowers.
[12:52] So what's the state of the state's fund?
[12:55] I mean is there plenty there to reimburse them?
[12:59] for that project?
[13:01] Yeah.
[13:02] Oh yeah.
[13:02] Yeah.
[13:04] They still, they still budget and send us high monies
[13:07] for local projects.
[13:09] There is no money left in the super fund,
[13:12] the so-called super fund for the federal government,
[13:15] EPA fund, that dried up long ago.
[13:18] You
[13:21] know, it came from the intermediate.
[13:23] They stopped asking for this new stuff
[13:25] with the super fund ran out of money.
[13:27] It was funny out of that work.
[13:28] Yeah.
[13:32] So
[13:37] we need the motion for the streets area for the credit union to disperse, $17,057.57.
[13:53] Disperse, $17,000 plus dollars as recommended.
[14:04] Roll call vote.
[14:05] Mick?
[14:06] Yes.
[14:07] Jones?
[14:07] Yes.
[14:08] McNeil?
[14:09] Yes.
[14:09] Andrews.
[14:12] Motion carries.
[14:13] I wish I
[14:20] would have one statement to see its upper standards and do a little bit of money in your perhaps we should have a discussion at some point about policy as to if somebody approached and was wanting to address that money what we would consider and what we wouldn't.
[14:39] So it's a good point, because I don't know if there would be an application process
[14:46] that would come through this board or this board would just simply look at the merits of
[14:51] the project in our own decisions if there's any policy guidance.
[14:58] There's nothing in place.
[15:00] That's another good conversation to have with Mac McClellan. See it, yeah. See it.
[15:08] Yes, absolutely. Good point.
[15:13] Yeah, anyone if you get two good projects? You know, I mean, how do you make any termination?
[15:20] Did you split the monies? Did you go with one? Or, yeah, those are all good questions.
[15:27] Yeah.
[15:32] For Mac and, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[15:34] Absolutely.
[15:36] Somebody else must have considered that.
[15:39] Oh yeah.
[15:40] Yeah.
[15:40] Oh yeah.
[15:41] Right here.
[15:42] Like to think we had an original thought that probably not.
[15:45] Yeah.
[15:48] Is
[15:52] there anything else I have?
[15:54] I have nothing else.
[15:56] And I don't have my knowledge, anything pending at this point for new ground field projects.
[16:06] But that doesn't mean something's going to happen.
[16:08] Not going to happen here soon.
[16:10] We've got a lot of people.
[16:13] We've got Kevin Schaefer who bought the building on the corner.
[16:19] That building will probably qualify for Brownfield incentives.
[16:23] But he has not applied yet.
[16:24] The big building?
[16:25] Yeah, the former Chinese buffet, the Chinese buffet.
[16:40] Yeah.
[16:41] Round of the corner.
[16:44] The horse.
[16:49] Yeah, there's some there's a couple of units that were renovated. Unfortunately, they didn't
[16:56] get permits to do the electrical upstairs so they're not up to code so they got to redo all the
[17:02] electrical and some of the some of the sky wall that all can carpet up there. Nobody's ever lived up
[17:11] There's two units that are really in pretty good condition,
[17:16] but they couldn't get an occupies occupancy
[17:18] from it, because.
[17:19] Mr. Chairman?
[17:20] Yeah.
[17:21] A couple of things, you know my,
[17:25] I'm just,
[17:25] just for the point now, the $7,000 per year
[17:28] times, the $4,000 per year time was like 28 grand.
[17:32] Can you, is it possible to leverage that
[17:35] as to 1.8 or something does come up
[17:38] where we need a large amount of money
[17:40] that they can go to the bank and borrow against that
[17:43] 7 gram that's a guarantee coming in,
[17:46] a guarantee income?
[17:47] It is, well it isn't us.
[17:49] So it's a bit of a guarantee?
[17:52] Knowing some of that comes from something.
[17:54] If everything falls into place, they can make it 28,
[17:57] so it's seven a year.
[17:58] I'm just throwing it out there for a, yeah.
[18:01] I cannot make it sooner.
[18:03] That's another good question to ask, but yeah, I mean,
[18:05] I mean, and typically we would, you can tap into it so to speak up all along during the process.
[18:13] But typically I think that what it's intended to do is to accumulate all of that money over five years.
[18:21] And then do a project.
[18:24] Yeah, that's something comes up that's, you know, role-mind, you know, it's going to, you know,
[18:27] good to set that option.
[18:30] It's available for that.
[18:31] Probably, you know, it makes sense if you can leverage it.
[18:34] Yeah.
[18:35] And the other thing is just observation, and I'm just, you know, I'm pretty good at time here too,
[18:40] but I've come from, I've come from Mason.
[18:42] I'm just south of Lansing.
[18:43] It's almost the same thing.
[18:44] We went through the same process.
[18:46] We lost a big corporation, and we had to rebuild too.
[18:52] So one thing that is of interest, we already said the downtown development, we have all the
[18:58] issues that, you know, the funding that comes in downtown.
[19:00] But if you just go one block from downtown, and you look at some of the conditions in
[19:05] the houses and things that are there, and we have an issue, I hate to work blank, but that's
[19:10] the reality.
[19:11] But it's blank, my definition, if a group like you guys are a brownstone entity here can
[19:19] to make the address maybe look beyond that
[19:21] because if somebody comes through this town,
[19:23] they just go out Main Street,
[19:25] they go around the streets, the community.
[19:29] And there's these people that have,
[19:33] maybe have money available for people to come at,
[19:37] and borrow that money to use that money
[19:39] to fix up the community outside of the city.
[19:43] Somehow they always get me glad to,
[19:45] you know, you always look at this.
[19:46] Hey, I want to pick my house up,
[19:47] I'm not going to have, you know, dot-town development money, you know.
[19:50] Sure.
[19:51] So, community has missed that sometimes.
[19:53] I know our time did.
[19:55] Our time missed it.
[19:56] There was no, no.
[19:56] They did the downtown, the downtown development, the Main Street came in, it's beautiful.
[20:00] You know, a really nice, operative, you know, nice place to come, busy.
[20:05] But this time there's so much more potential than our work that they have.
[20:08] But the outside, you go to the outside, when everybody, they came, and they, they had to
[20:13] officer and you know put the pressure on everybody clean enough which
[20:18] helped but some of these people don't have the finances to do it so it's just
[20:21] that you can see it we know they don't have the money so I'm just throwing that
[20:25] out there there's some type of you know food for thought you guys can think about it
[20:29] I'm trying to remember town is the problem field require a district or is it just
[20:35] covers the city's voice. It's covers the city's voice. So yeah there were an eligible
[20:39] project out there. Yeah. Take care of the flight. See I don't know if people know. I don't know if they know if anything like this exists.
[20:46] So maybe something they can get the word out and you know we're in, they weren't, you know, for the good of the community.
[20:51] So, didn't the county set up around here? They did. They did. The county has one too?
[20:58] And in earnest is one of the girls. I think, you know, you know, they were talking about the crew.
[21:05] And when the fight was going on, you heard that some of that worker banged in, but maybe
[21:16] somebody was wondering about it.
[21:21] You know, the issue of light is just skin.
[21:25] And I, you know, I haven't, I like to hear on that community a little more discuss that too,
[21:28] is that we don't necessarily, I mean, you know, there's a lot of factors involved.
[21:34] I mentioned that we always used a retired police officer, for example.
[21:38] Well, a police officer is, you know, they do have a mentality that they're going to enforce the law.
[21:42] Some of these people they need more than have the law in force, they need some assistance.
[21:47] Yeah.
[21:47] And so I think if this chief is going to look at, you know, hiring somebody or we're going to hire somebody as a counsel or whatever it might be or how we're going to address it,
[21:55] Just to have somebody with a different background or leave it open to me to social work or something like that
[22:00] Because that's somebody going to address the issue and talk to the person and say, hey, what is I'll come here housefall about, you know
[22:06] What's the deal here?
[22:08] You know, sometimes I say, well, my wife might be dying or just saying, well, whatever the issue might be, it may be deeper than it doesn't
[22:14] It doesn't negate the fact that they're housefalling and they shouldn't take it up
[22:18] But instead of giving them a penalty enough to bad and say, how can we work with an organization?
[22:22] you guys are something to maybe assist in that or help in the process, instead of, you know,
[22:28] giving them the citation and taking the court and going to the house, you know. So just so, you know,
[22:33] things I'm thinking, you know, it's interesting, you know, what's happening here. So, when you use
[22:38] the imagine ability on the corner, you know, the fun he goes right there, well, that's downtown,
[22:42] you know, I'm just going, I guess downtown development. No, I'm a, you know, neighborhood guy,
[22:46] I want to get that deal with itself.
[22:48] Sure.
[22:49] Yeah.
[22:49] Good point.
[22:51] Mr. Second.
[22:56] Thank you.
[22:57] Thank you.
[23:01] No second.
[23:02] I have no other business to deal with.
[23:06] So except the motion to adjourn.
[23:11] We are adjourned.
[23:14] Thank you very much.