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All righty. We're going to call the
Thursday, January 15th, 2026

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regular meeting of the Cherokee Village
City Council to order

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with care to join in the pledge of
allegiance. real quick.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> Recognize a short moment of silence,

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please.

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Roll call, please.

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» Harrison,
>> here.

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» Rachel Tatum.
Thompson.

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Martin
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» Jeff Tatum.
Low

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» here. Ishmail
Roland

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mayor clerk attorney in attendance
quorum not established

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without a without a quorum we can't do
official city business tonight so about

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all we can do just have a little
informal

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uh I know there's some people that was
wanting to talk uh uh Mr. David Lad and

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Mr. Dr. Wayne Bennett from Waste
Connections is here to answer questions

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about the waste contract. And uh I know
I'm going to pronounce this wrong. Is it

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» Leon Rumber?
>> Remor. Okay. Le. So, uh we'll just have

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a little informal meeting. Do you have
any updates on stuff you've been working

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on?
>> Yes. So, um, I am going to be submitting

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to attorney
>> Jason,

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» make sure you speak into your mic.
>> That's probably the first time anyone's

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ever told me I need a microphone. So,
um,

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» the video,
>> um, so I will be submitting I took a

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stab at the writing an ordinance for the
ADUs, uh, with some guidance from other

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towns in Arkansas as a template. So I
will be turning that into you guys take

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a look at as kind of like our jumping
off point. Uh then at that point get

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planning and zoning involved and we can
kind of go from there.

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» Okay.
>> All righty. Uh Mr. David, Mr. Wayne, you

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want to
anything you they they submitted the

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contract the new updated contract for
the collection and hauling of the waste

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disposal in the village which they I
mean they they actually met all of our

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criteria that we asked for about the uh
so I mean and they uh we actually

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I'm sure I seen it in there. I hadn't
got a chance to read all the way through

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it, but we did we did the uh three-year
u it was a three-year contract with the

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optional 2-year extension at the end.
>> Yeah, I believe that's correct.

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» Yeah, that's what So, go ahead and get
that. We was we've been talking about

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this what since October or November.
>> Yeah, I think

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» it's been it's been a little while, but
anyway,

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» October,
>> they're here. They're here for any

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questions. Anybody's got any questions,
you can hit them up hit them up about

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the waste connections. I I wanted to
give you a heads up. I went to the

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townhouse association meeting Tuesday
night and I think uh Ed Soja is going to

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get in touch with you about trying to
see if they can get smaller garbage cans

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for the townhouse um
residents just cuz they're having tr

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some of the elderly having trouble.
Yeah, we um so we have acquired we do

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have some 65gallon we don't you know
something we don't usually don't carry

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but we have acquired some they're
65gallon tote um that you know we have

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replaced I've placed some with some of
the elderly here in Cherokee yes

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» so we do have some yes
>> is it do you have a a direct number I

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could forward that has he already called
you that just happened Tuesday night so

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» do you have a number you want me to give
him

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» uh yes it'd be 870 0.
>> Uh-huh.

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» 8475158.
That'll be my direct work phone.

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[clears throat]
>> Is that 51? What?

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» 5158.
>> And what was your name?

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» Wayne Bennett. Wayne.
>> Yeah. Wayne Bennett.

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> You're welcome. Thank you, Mr. Wayne.

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Mr. David being here. Let's see if we
have any more questions.

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Jason Peter, any questions? All righty.
Uh,

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Mr. Mr. Leon, if you want to,
like I said, I know we're just being a

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little informal and out of out of out of
out of sorts, but we we don't have a

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quorum to do any any legal voting
business tonight.

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There's three pictures there.
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» I just want to say, Mr. Mayor, just
council council members, my name is uh

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Leon Remore and I reside at 83 Pauhhatan
Drive. Thank you uh for allowing me to

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speak. I'd like to address ordinance
99-11

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dated July 20th, 1999
and ordinance 200414

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which was a amending uh 9911 on December
2nd, 2004.

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Uh it concerns rules and regulations
concerning garbage and trash disposal

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and regulating abandoned property,
rubbish, and abandoned motor vehicles.

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I provided photos taken today, January
15th, 2026, of three properties, 88 90

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and 80 Phatan.
88 Pahhatton has been abandoned for some

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time before I purchased my home at 83
Pawatan on March 11th, 2024.

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It was totally abandoned until the
summer of 2025 when lumber was dropped

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off in the driveway and some work was
done on a back deck. Since then, some of

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the lumber from 90 Phatan was placed on
a trailer and dropped in the driveway of

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88 Powhhatton, which you can see in the
photo.

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The front door must be uh must not be
locked since from time to time it is

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left open and could be a danger to kids
in the neighborhood and who live across

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the street. Nothing has been done for
the last few months with that property.

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Concerning the property at 90 Phatan
Drive, it is my understanding that this

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property is owned by the same individual
or individuals as 88 Phatan.

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This home apparently burned down 3 to
four years ago from information that I

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obtained from neighbors. This property
is very dangerous and unsanitary and the

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floor now is actually caving into the
basement and again is very dangerous for

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the neighborhood kids uh as well as
adults besides being unsightly and

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affecting the value of our property.
the ordinances already referred to as

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well as 2008-05
that provides for the removal or rzing

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of buildings within the city limits of
Cherokee Village that are dilapitated,

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unsightly, unsafe, unsanitary or
detrimental to the public welfare need

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to be enforced and followed through on.
The last photo submitted is of 80 Phatan

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Drive, which shows three abandoned
vehicles parked in a row and two tires

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stacked next to them. An older Chevrolet
pickup, an older Cadillac sedan, and an

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older Ford pickup from the 1980s have
not been moved or running since I

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purchased my home in March of 2024.
I doubt that they are registered or

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licensed either. These vehicles need to
be removed as addressed in ordinance

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9911 and 202502.
I know there are other areas of our city

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that are in even worse condition such as
Skyline Drive and Hayawa Drive. I would

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hope that your honor, the mayor and the
city council will address these concerns

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and enforce the ordinances that are
already on the books. I am concerned for

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the welfare of our neighborhood, the
children and adults and for the loss of

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property values in our city. It is very
difficult to attract new residents and

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to be proud of our city when we do
nothing to keep it clean and attractive.

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Thank you.
>> Mr. Leon, have you uh contacted the code

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enforcement here?
>> No. No, I have not. So, this is your

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first um
information to the city. Okay.

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» We're gonna f we're gonna forward this
on to Charlie Acres, our city inspector

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in the code enforcement team.
>> All right. I appreciate that.

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» Anybody else got anything?
Miss Hannah?

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» Yeah.

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Do I respond to last month?
>> Huh?

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» Can I respond to what happened last
month?

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» Well, you mean
>> there's nobody here to respond?

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» Yeah. I mean, we don't we don't have a
quorum. We can't really do anything

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tonight. There's nothing we can vote on.
>> Well, other than being updated, so Okay.

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» Yeah. Thank you.
>> I'm I'm okay with it.

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Thank you very much for allowing me to
to speak tonight. I appreciate it.

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Again, my name is Hannah Eisenberg and
I'm uh responding to the property at 7

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Kelan Trace in Cherokee Village,
Arkansas here. Um, what I wanted to do

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was list some corrections from comments
that were made last month with regards

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to our my property and I wanted to
refute some of the things that was uh

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said and shared at that meeting. Number
one, since um Cherokee Village Council

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distrusts me regarding being approved
for a refi, they may call upon the bank

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for a request. But I do know privately
that Thompson and my banker had had a

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conversation outside of the realm in a
social thing to verify that that was

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true. Um so I can't present papers to
you. It has to come directly from the

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bank. Okay. Uh specific to that refi and
I have not been before the council

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several times about this project as
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September 20 of 2022 was the first time
I had been to the Cherokee Village

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Council Chamber where I wasn't even
invited to the planning and zoning

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meeting. I introduced myself to the
board after all was heard, answered

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questions, and then um after the
questions, the gentleman who had the

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gavvel was the one that actually said I
could go ahead and design him anything

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that I was a really good designer. And
everyone in unanimously approved of the

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project and by that time I'd already had
a permit. But I was in response to my

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next-door neighbor who was Tom Rupart
who at that point has told many many

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buyers of my property before
construction started that the property

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had been condemned over and over again.
He did it eight times. And it wasn't

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until the eighth man that I actually
recorded. So I had proof of it when I

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went to see then Mayor Stokes to talk
about this that it was now going to be a

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civil case because he introduced himself
as Councilman Tom Rupert. Um,

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[clears throat]
and then as alluded by the cong uh the

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councilman again, Thompson, my neighbor
again, uh, Tom Rupart, he did not move

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because of my home's construction.
Rupart left the area right after that

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meeting, leaving furniture and all
behind because he was going to be

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arrested for terrorist threats of
bringing out a 410.

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» Yeah.
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that he had moved because of the
construction, and that was not true. He

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left everything in his house there and
Perryman and Perryman turned around and

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sold everything and our chief um Monty
Hall is here to verify. The straw that

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Councilman Thompson also alluded to
being used in construction was taken

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perhaps from the carport which I find
trespassing. The construction worthy

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straw bales are protected on the
enclosed wrapped uh structure. and he

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did the same thing exactly what
Councilman Rupert did by taking

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materials from the site and he actually
threw the materials in a Ziploc bag to

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the planning and zoning committee that
that was what the house was going to be

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built from. So it it u it
likens the same thing of what Councilman

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Rupert had done. I had told that there
was an amount of photographs that were

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presented to the council last month and
again um nobody asked me whether they

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can go on my property and I should be
allowed to view those photos. Um a

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neighbor who doesn't live next door said
she saw a black animal with something in

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her mouth with a longtail presumably a
rat.

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» The only place the animal could have
come into is the open porch area on the

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west side upstairs.
And no rats nor other pests do. They do

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not like to eat straw in any way. Hay,
yes, but not straw. If it had been the

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black cat that visits and may have um
had a chipmunk in its mouth when

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dividing bales for structure, we had
noticed very small animal trails within

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some of those bales. And two of us us
yesterday swept clean the whole entire

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area to find absolutely no poop. So
there has been no animals that have been

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in there. I do know of a bird or two
and why the [clears throat] neighbor who

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lives in Memphis allowed to harass the
city with numerous phone call complaints

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and have neighbors read letters from
her. She visits every so often and my

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attorney had commented that perhaps the
city is being pressured due to this

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harassment. That neighbor has been doing
this ever since she purchased the place

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from Perryman and Perryman when um
Congressman or Councilman Rupert had

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vacated his property. My ordinance of
2015-1 has been completely and totally

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satisfied. We planned on our last burn
tomorrow, but I see we have a burn ban.

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So now it's been postponed. That will be
the very very last burn of a pile that

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we had made. I've always notified the
the fire department each and every

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single time when we've done that before,
so they're very aware of what's

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happened. Uh, best of all, I advertised
in several places to give exterior straw

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bales away from under our black cover in
the driveway to be used as mulch for

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folks to keep their garden warm to no
avail. However, this afternoon, I got

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two calls from that advert advertisement
that I put in this afternoon. So,

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anybody that needs straw bales for your
garden, please give me a call. They're

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all rice bales and they're in fairly
good condition. Uh, since the structure

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itself is well built, both my attorney
and the Arkansas State Building and

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Safety do not know why my building
permit was revoked. As my attorney

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stated, life happens during construction
and was sorry to learn that neighboring

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folks who purchased their homes knowing
full well it was a construction site.

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Um, should show some grace around some
traumatic events which I have shared

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before in another letter. Both my
attorney and the attorney and the

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Arkansas State Building and Safety had
not heard of changing a building's

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permit expiration date. It's a legal
document and is typically revoked for

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substandard construction, which this
construction is not. Communication from

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the city to me has been sorely lacking.
Cherokee Village building inspector and

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I hope to remedy that because there had
been no early information at all. It was

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just ordinance after ordinance and then
the permit was revoked with no warning.

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Um friends are um oh as of last Monday I
have made 42 applications of employment

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the last few months. All but one
possible employer directly asked how old

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I am and what my birth date was. I am
now 72 and I've heard absolutely nothing

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from any of them. It's very
disheartening. friends now are helping

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me with two YouTube channels which uh of
which this straw bale project is one of

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them and another friend has already gone
to start writing up the GoFundMe that

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will be online tomorrow. So I have a
list as well for if you're interested of

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the project chronological times because
um Congressman Thomp Thompson had said

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it was a very long time and indeed it's
been three years. Granted, I I do know

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it's been 3 years when we started and
I've been down a whole year because of

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medical and all the other terrible
things that happened with losing even my

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partner. So, if you'd like to see those,
I would be more than happy to give those

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to you. So, you actually get to see
every single thing of the dates and all

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that other good stuff. So, it's up to
you now.

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I appreciate this. Thank you. Then
>> you said you had dates.

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» Yes, sir.
>> If you got you got three.

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» Yes, sir.

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We really appreciate this.
>> Thank you, ma'am.

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» Don't send this for me.
>> Thank you, mayor.

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» Mhm.
Thank you.

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» Yeah, if I would.

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» Hey, Penny, do you want her to leave the
copies for them to go in the mailboxes

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of the others? Would that be easiest if
she's got them?

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» Copies of these.

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are all scan.

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» I have one question for you. This this
whole project you have starts in 2022,

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but your house burnt down in 2009. What
happened between the time that the house

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burnt down and this project started?
>> I tried to sell it,

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» but the house the house was in the
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So, so this is this actually has started
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2009 to now. So, so the residents that
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with it since 2009, not since
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2022.
>> Correct.

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» Correct.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» In fact, I live next door to my neighbor
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I make a motion we adjourn.
Any other business?

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» Well, after him.
>> Yeah. My name is Tim Sample. I live in

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Santa Fe. Last time I was here, we
discussed the uh situation at 16 Gon

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where the man and woman is living in a
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Have you all come to any kind of
decision on this? And also I understand

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that the code department give these
people permits to extend this shed and

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make it you know bring it up to the
standards of the Santa Fe which is being

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raised up and tied down. I'm assuming
all that has to come along with it.

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» How long do these permits last?
>> Usually half a year.

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» You usually
>> half a year.

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» Is it half a year? That was a full year.
>> Well, it depends on the permit but

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usually it's a half a year.
>> Yeah. Yeah. depend on it does depend on

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the permit but most of them are year to
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26 2026 year you know
>> okay so he has all year to start

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construction on this or
>> without the permit I don't know like I

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said some of them are 6 months some of
them are 12 months as long as it's in

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the same year
>> okay all right

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» yeah it should be on the permit
>> well has there been anything done about

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the situation out there with this
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» and and
>> I mean allowing him to live in his shed

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shed.
>> Well, you're saying it's a shed. Okay.

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» You're saying it's a shed, but I got to
not a shed. It's a house.

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» Yeah.
>> So,

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it's apples and oranges.
>> Yeah.

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» All right. It's like having a mini home
or or something of that nature. That's a

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new thing that has
>> come out in the United States that

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people are wanting to do. The state just
passed legislation that we're going to

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look into now about actually having
extra small things on a lot that's

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already owned. So
you you say the word shed, but to that

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person it's a a house, a home.
>> It's not a shed, it's a

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» Okay.
>> So So I mean a shed is a little 10 by8

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little thing in the backyard. Bigger
than 10 by eight.

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» Okay. If this structure was next to your
house and you talking to a buddy of

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yours, you would say that's a shed.
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» It's not a house.
>> You You don't understand what I'm

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» Yeah, I do. I understand. It's a shed
that has a bedroom, a bathroom, and a

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kitchenet.
>> It's a person that's trying to be a

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» It's alternative housing is what they
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» alternative housing. And the zoning, you
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» okay, this zone is the whole village.
There's so much Cherokee Village that

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it's that it's hard to know. You're in a
uh over there. You're in a um

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» Santa Fe edition.
>> Santa Fe Edition. You have mobile homes

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and everything else there.
>> Yeah. But it doesn't say Santa Fe

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edition mobile home area and sheds or
tiny buildings. Right.

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» I'm just saying, you know, if I bought a
piece of property on Thunderbird and

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parked this thing next to a $200,000
home, this building would be full of

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people saying that's a shed.
>> But and it's not. It's not. It's out in

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the middle.
>> It's not just sitting on the ground.

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What about the stipulation of it being
tied down?

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» My understanding is supposed to be tied
down next week.

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» Next week. would have to be jacked up to
be tied down, right?

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» I'm not a construction guy.
>> I'm I'm not a construction guy, so I

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couldn't tell you that. I don't I don't
>> So, this guy's going to get to fly with

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us out there, right?
>> Get a petition up and start getting

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signals. I mean
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» if if I go back in time, I'm from up
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» and back in the 30s and 40s, people
would come in and they build the garage

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and they'd live out of the garage until
their house was built.

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» That
>> and that's no bigger than that's no

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bigger than you're talking about.
>> But that's not allowed here, Peter.

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» It doesn't say it is.
>> You can't

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» It doesn't say it is. It's all gray.
Actually, it does say that you can't

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build a garage first. You have to build
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» say that
>> there is an ordinance that says that

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» have a res.
>> Yes.

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» Or you can have a home.
>> And well, I also I I know that I know

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that there are things that we the city
is talking about doing to incorporate

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alternative housing. And I'm first of
all, I'm very excited about those

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conversations. But as of now, the letter
of the law, there's no, we don't have

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any provisions for anything other than a
mobile home or a sightuilt house.

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Period. No other types of construction
is outlined as acceptable in the

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village. Now, that can change and it
could change, but I don't think being

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that we know that that permit was issued
erroneously that that puts us in a very

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precarious situation and we can't just
because we think it's okay move forward

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when we know that that issue that permit
was not issued correctly. It should

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never have been issued.
>> Exactly. I agree 100%.

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» And that's Jason Jason here's the deal
that uh and I

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and and I know where the confusion
you're getting with Peter. Some people

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some people's junk is other people's
treasures. You call it a shed. You think

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it's a shed. It is a shed,
>> right?

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» But if it's all they have to live in,
>> well, that is their problem. Hold on a

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minute. I've let you talk. Let me talk.
I I'll let you talk. Funny. Let me talk.

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» It's all they have
and that's what they live in. It's their

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home. They call it their home. They
don't call it their shed. They call it

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their home because it's all they have.
So, you're asking me and basically, and

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maybe I'm taking it too literal. Look,
look me in the eye. Are you telling me

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you want me as the mayor of the city to
go over there and put them out in the

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cold
>> until it's 40 foot long, jacked up, tied

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down, and it meets all the codes that a
trailer does? Yes, sir. That's what I'm

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saying.
>> Well, then I'm telling you, as mayor, I

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will not put a family out in the cold in
the winter time.

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» Well, that's their Okay.
Hey, it's election year. This gentleman,

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this gentleman purchased his property
with the ideal, the people he bought it

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from.
>> It should have been called an

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alternative housing is what it should
have been called instead of a

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» that he could put a trailer on there, a
camper RV.

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» Yes.
>> Okay. Code guy told me absolutely not.

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No way.
>> No, we don't.

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» Okay. He told me, "Call me when he pulls
up." So, I called him. He went out

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there. They moved that RV off the lot.
Somebody told this gentleman that he

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could put that shed or alternative
housing there and live in it.

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» Yes.
>> And it's 20 foot long. I mean, come on.

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Cut me some slack.
>> It it it there is no there is no

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property. There is no square foot shed
for Santa Fe edition and rent them out

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for 500 a bond.
>> But that would be nice if we had people

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in the village. That way we could tax
them. So we we have to find ways to

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bring people into Cherokee Village. And
if alternative housing if if alternative

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housing brings them in and they are
taxpayers, then that's going to increase

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the money that we as Cherokee Village
have. And as long as they're taking care

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of the property, I wouldn't be bitching
about it.

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» That's and and that's where I'm at.
>> Chicken coop to live in. And then he

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went out and bought a brand new shed
better than the one he's living in and

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put out there on blocks.
>> Yeah. Both of them are brand new.

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» Poor man. He can't poor man. Both of
them are improved. That's where I'm at.

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» Yeah. The one we're living in was used.
What are

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» you going to do? They're trying.
>> It had a hole cut in the back of it for

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the chickens running.
>> Taking care of the property. I

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» had a home out there.
I live in Long

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» and I mean it way up there. And now when
I walk out my door, I look at that.

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» But the appraisal means nothing until
the the the house is sold. you were

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living next to us.
>> Yeah, I probably

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» Hey, mayor. Mayor, do you know if cuz
this all came up last month, the same

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story. Do we know or did we ask Charlie
to find out was um

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» the electrical the electrical was put in
by a licensed contractor has been

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inspected. The plumbing was put in by a
licensed plumber and was inspected. The

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water department is supplying them a
water service to a home. They have

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sewer. They have trash disposal
>> occupancy permit. They have

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I've never I don't know about occupancy
permits that stuff. You know what

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» this is? This is this is like what we
was talking about. One of the one of the

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persons come up and talked about the
houses on Phatton.

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» Yeah.
>> Literally we had we we wrote some you

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know the code enforcement guy went out
wrote tickets and I know he's he's done

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it throughout the year but we wrote
tickets for maintenance of properties

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last February that we still can't get
adjudicated in court. shouldn't have to

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go for it.
>> It should what?

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» No. If people's yards are junked up, you
should be able to go up there and tell

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» That's not the way the law
>> That's not the way the law works.

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» You have authority to do that. Everybody
Every every person gets their every

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person gets their day in court.
>> Going to have to clean it up.

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» That's That's That to me, you're talking
about government overreach, and I'm not

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about government overreach. Everybody
deserves the the due process of law.

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» That years ago, what did they do? How
come it didn't look like it used to

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look?
>> Because after 42 years,

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» because because if you want to know the
truth, and I'll just put it out there,

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irresponsible people don't take care of
their premises or their pets anymore.

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» Then why don't the judge make them do
it?

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» Elect better judges. It's an election
year.

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» Yeah,
>> you have choices.

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» Why was the issued in the first place?
I

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» why building
>> I can't answer why it was issued. I just

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can say that it was issued.

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» I can't ask you why it was issued. I
know it was issued. It was issued for a

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shed. It probably should have been It
more than likely should have been issued

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for alternative housing.
>> Well, I can tell you why it was issued

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because the code people said that Santa
Fe had been reszoned. They can't reszone

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that without the residents knowledge.
>> And breaking the law.

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» I personally drove out there and I've
looked looked at it and I drove around

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guy and
>> I mean, yeah, it's a you know, it's a

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small house on a piece of property. He's
he's he had it's a it's a lot cleaner

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than the three trailers at the end of
the road.

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» Well, that's Gary Lawrence's problem
>> there. That's a problem all in. But my

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my deal is this act 313 which brought
this all about

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» which has states right in there. There
must be an existing residence on that

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property before you can put a shed out
there on mother-in-law.

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» That act is not applicable to what this
is.

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» Okay. There is no existing residence. It
was a drug house. It burnt down.

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» This act doesn't that act has nothing to
do with that. It's not it it doesn't

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hold it. Again, that is that is why that
is why the clerk said that she that the

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permit was issued was because of her
interpretation of house that house bill,

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which we've determined it's incorrect.
So, we're we're kicking this can down

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the road kind of like playing a game of
repeat and repeat when at the end of the

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day it was issued erroneously. It should
have never been issued and the

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interpretation of the bill was
incorrect. So, now what are we going to

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do to fix it?
>> Exactly. Well,

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» I agree with those two 100%.
>> Well, then Jason, you'll have to take

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over being the person that's going to
evict

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everything is to gaslight everybody the
minute someone challenges you to swing

414
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,559
around like we're villains that we're
doing something wrong.

415
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,480
» So, tell me what you want done.
>> You want You want to know?

416
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:36,559
» Tell me.
>> We need

417
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,559
» It's an election year. I hope you're
announcing for mayor.

418
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:43,919
» We need We need to revoke the permit. We
need to either We either need We need to

419
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:48,320
revoke the permit. We're creating
liability that we do not need. We are we

420
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:52,880
are setting a precedent. We're setting
for the city. Okay. How?

421
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,519
» Because what do you think?
>> What do you think's going to happen?

422
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:58,159
What do you think's going to happen when
they when they challenge their bill of

423
00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:02,880
assurance?
>> Go to court

424
00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:07,120
and then and then they're going to look
back. They're going to look back and see

425
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,960
that we issued a permit outside of our
own ordinance.

426
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,080
» Mhm.
>> And which put them in that position. And

427
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:16,559
then what do you think's going to
happen? I hate that I'm having to

428
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:20,559
connect put these dots so close together
like I'm some kind of monster. I'm just

429
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:24,480
trying to look out for the city. This is
not good. And things like this fall into

430
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:28,880
the cracks and just get kicked down the
road and gas lit and we we blow it up

431
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:31,679
into something. It's very simple. It
should have never been issued. It needs

432
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,279
to be revoked.
>> Exactly. Well,

433
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:40,480
» and it doesn't make me a monster. I'm
not an animal. I understand what the

434
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:46,000
what the ramifications are, but I mean,
we can't we've set a precedent that

435
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:50,159
until we decide as a city where we want
alternative housing to go, we can't just

436
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,679
arbitrarily pick a lot, make an
exception, and then tell everyone to get

437
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:58,440
over it. That is not how it works.
>> Right.

438
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,440
» You got my

439
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,880
motion.
>> Do you want the job right now?

440
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:09,679
» Don't Don't start that. I made a motion
we adjourn.

441
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:12,080
» Yeah, we're just arguing back and forth.
It's not going to be anything settled

442
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,000
tonight.
>> The the needs of the many outweigh the

443
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:21,039
needs of the one or the few. I'm sorry.
>> Well, I just I don't know. I'm sorry.

444
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:26,399
We're we're in an impass that I can't
get by because I I know you're you're

445
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:31,120
saying it in this fancy words that I
can't comprehend in my redneck mind

446
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:36,240
saying that we're going to revoke their
permit and we're going to we're going to

447
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:40,000
revoke their permit. Well, so what are
they supposed to do?

448
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:43,919
» I and and that that this community, the
one thing that we do really well is we

449
00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:48,080
do rally around people that need help.
And that's all I'm saying. We can figure

450
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:52,240
something else out, but I just it sets a
precedent that is dangerous. And we're

451
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:55,919
not in a position as a city to take on
any more liability or any more of these

452
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,080
types of an issue. And we've got to get
that department educated on what how to

453
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,559
do their job and how to do it
effectively because this is not working.

454
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:08,000
» They have ample. Why don't they put it
in the trailer department so they can

455
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:13,200
come and go with it? I'd rather see the
camper, the RV. They can close it in and

456
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:18,560
strap it down and they can live there. I
don't see no junker campers, but I don't

457
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:24,879
live with a camper. That's nice.
>> I know I know a city down the road at

458
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:30,320
Cave City had a uh they had a city
ordinance about I believe it was 10

459
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:34,079
years old. They you couldn't move an art
a mobile home into the city. was more

460
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:39,200
than 10 years old at the time it was put
up and uh that they got taken to court

461
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:45,879
and the city lost because you're the
city was creating a financial hardship

462
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:45,879
on an individual so the city lost

463
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:53,599
» yeah but I'm just saying that the way
the laws are going right now

464
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:58,000
» I know
>> most of the time the cities lose

465
00:34:55,359 --> 00:35:02,960
» two or three trailers come into the
Santa Fe that had I mean they look like

466
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:07,760
they got them from a junkyard and
Cherokee Village made them out

467
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:11,200
» cuz we had enough that looked like that
already without bringing them in.

468
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,400
» Yeah, I don't know about that. Not since
I've been here.

469
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:18,480
» Yeah, not since I've been here. But
>> three of them.

470
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:23,119
» Well, oh
anyway, that's

471
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:28,480
no more.
>> No, no, I know. No, that's said people

472
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:33,800
will sue for anything now. Most of the
time they win.

473
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,800
» Amen. I mean,

474
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:42,000
» well, you can you can vote anybody you
want, but the problem is, first of all,

475
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:46,079
we don't have enough revenue to run the
village. The village is too big, and

476
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:50,560
people have to get together one of these
days and decide what Cherokee Village is

477
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:54,079
because there's too much land mass.
There's too many things going on out in

478
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:58,000
the middle of now place. So, that's the
first thing. Cherokee Village has to

479
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,680
decide what it is. Then it has to decide
what kind of rules and what kind of

480
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,839
standards it's going to have because the
other thing that could happen that

481
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:10,320
people have been saying is we could
unanic we could we could abolish

482
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:15,200
Cherokee Village just as easy.
>> And a lot of people said let's go back

483
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:20,160
to SID and I hear a lot of that too. So
Cherokee Village cannot all live to the

484
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:24,640
standard of a person that's sitting up
on u like Thunderbird. They can't.

485
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,680
They're not that. There's a lot of
people by by me that are young kids,

486
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:35,200
young adults coming in and trying to
have a living, trying to get by, trying

487
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:39,119
to live with with what means they have.
They find a cheap house they can pick up

488
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,119
for $30, $40,000
and they move in and it has all sorts of

489
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:47,760
problems cuz they were built back in the
60s. And a lot of those houses back in

490
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:52,000
the 60s don't have drywall in them. All
they have is u

491
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:55,760
» paneling in them and stuff. But they're
they're living in their and they're

492
00:36:53,440 --> 00:37:01,359
moving, which this building that you're
calling uh a garage or shed probably has

493
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:05,040
drywall in it. It probably is set up a
lot nicer than some of those are.

494
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:14,160
» I don't care if it's got marble ceilings
in it. Is a 12x 20 shed. I mean,

495
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:17,920
» and I I'm I'm coming from the thing I'm
coming from the thing of affordability.

496
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:21,599
If they're if they're a good citizen in
Cherokee Village, I want to do anything

497
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:25,359
I can to help the citizen out.
>> Well, I've been here 43 years and I'm

498
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:29,680
not a good citizen because I'm bitching
about this.

499
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:34,000
» No, no. It it's what what has to happen
is people have to sit down and discuss

500
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,280
what Cherokee Village is going to be.
That hasn't been done since we were

501
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:42,480
created. What that is,
>> Peter? There's there's rules that

502
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,839
planning and zoning
>> planning and zoning doesn't know what

503
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,599
the heck planning and zoning is doing.
And that has been like that for over 10

504
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:49,760
years.
>> Okay, then quit

505
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,440
» for over 10 years.
>> Let Let her let her finish

506
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,680
» and quit yelling at me through your
mask. Um

507
00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:00,320
» I I go without a mask. I'm just being
polite.

508
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:05,760
» Well, I mean, I'm right here. You don't
have to yell. The point is you have your

509
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:11,680
thoughts about the shed and he has his
thoughts but the bottom line is that the

510
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:15,839
permit should have never gotten given to
the people and that's where the that's

511
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:22,640
the original problem of this whole thing
is. So then what we do is like what do

512
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:27,119
we do now? It's not the kicking out or
the telling whatever it's the problem is

513
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:32,640
is that permit from our department
should have never been given. So, what

514
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,320
do we do? Because we gave out a permit
that we shouldn't have. And that's what

515
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,599
the solution. That's what we got to come
up with that answer.

516
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:44,160
» We did. You guys put a hold on all
permits on structures under 1,000 square

517
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:48,960
ft. And we can't issue them without they
coming to the city council for approve.

518
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:52,240
» Still, that takes care of future
problems. It doesn't take care of the

519
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,280
problem with the guy that got the permit
and that he shouldn't have. I'm saying

520
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:58,000
we still got to we still got to figure
out how

521
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,040
» we rectifi we rectified the problem
moving forward.

522
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,760
» But then I think the problem you already
have

523
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:09,119
» we got a lot of problems. Have you seen
the latest that's going on with SID?

524
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:14,640
» Well, we lost but the problem right now
is affecting you live there for 40 years

525
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,599
and take pride in
and I appreciate that because a lot of

526
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:23,680
people don't anymore.
>> They don't. I want to go I want to say

527
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:27,920
that I also do agree with Peter that the
the village does need to come together

528
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:32,160
and decide exactly what it wants to do
and wants to be long term. Peter's

529
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:36,960
exactly right because in current form
we're too big to be small, too small to

530
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:41,599
be big. We are a town whether or not
anyone likes it or not. We are a town.

531
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:47,760
We are the largest town within Sharp or
Fulton counties. yet we we have the

532
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:54,000
resources of the smallest. And all that
to say, he is exactly right. And um his

533
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:58,800
his um position on the this alternative
housing out there, I think honestly is

534
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:02,800
the perfect position as to why we do
need to look at lots in the village and

535
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:07,599
sections of the village and determine
those sections for this type of house.

536
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:13,359
So, if you pull up to this section and
you want to um get a bald eagle building

537
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:16,480
and you want to convert it to a home,
you and your neighbors and your

538
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:20,800
neighbor's neighbor and your neighbor's
neighbor are all doing the same thing.

539
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:25,520
And when you look out your front door,
you're seeing what is seeing exactly

540
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:30,000
what you've got. And that is that is
what we owe this that's what we owe the

541
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:34,240
citizens is when you walk out your door,
you're you're looking at similar and

542
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:39,280
like because we are incorporated. We're
not unincorporated. We're not rural. We

543
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,720
have ordinances. And that's that's the
only thing I'm saying because I agree.

544
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:47,440
We need to look at the village and think
about ways to bring people in and make

545
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:51,599
it bigger.
>> The grant was for and everything that

546
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:57,680
they had to look at the future of
Cherokee Village.

547
00:40:52,560 --> 00:41:03,440
» That that was more of a wishful dream
that was done. They didn't do anything

548
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:08,480
to do any uh substructure. nothing's
done about uh sewers and we have to

549
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,319
start thinking about that.
>> Uh there's there's no infrastructure or

550
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:17,599
anything that was there. It went to a
planner and they

551
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:22,160
they came up with some pretty stuff that
nobody is going to do because nobody has

552
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:26,000
the money to do that.
>> So it was money wasted.

553
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,839
» It was not money wasted.
>> It was a lot of money wasted.

554
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:34,640
» No, it was not. That's your opinion. But
if you don't have rules, where are you

555
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:36,560
going to start?
>> That was a pipe dream.

556
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:42,000
» Yeah.
>> We have no dream. We have nothing. We

557
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:46,000
have shoot it here, shoot it there. Do
what you want because my freedom is

558
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,240
important.
>> Or I'm going to do what I want to do

559
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:54,079
because guess what? Cuz I because
Cherokee Village will let me get away

560
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:58,400
with it. Why do we have rules?
>> Cherokee Villagees cuz if you don't want

561
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:03,760
them, take them off the book. And I
agree with you. Let's take them off the

562
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:06,960
books because all that should be all all
the only thing that should be there is

563
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:11,760
safety issues that are on the state
books right now. That's all that should

564
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:15,200
be there right now. Safety
>> issues and health codes enforced when

565
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:20,400
this building went up.
>> But we can't enforce any

566
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:25,599
» were they did we
you have to inspect what you expect and

567
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:29,520
we're not inspecting. They're just
letting people do whatever the hell they

568
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:35,920
want. And that's why you're going to
have a city. Mr. Low is correct. You

569
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:42,079
want to have consistency. I don't want
to live next door to my house and have

570
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:47,760
my neighbor put up a shed that has
people in it.

571
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:51,920
Okay, that shouldn't be allowed.
>> That's already been happening in the

572
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:56,400
village. It already has been happening.
>> And why are you going to allow it in the

573
00:42:53,440 --> 00:43:02,079
future? because this person is is
immigrant and and and poor and needs and

574
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:05,760
getting their life together. Well, I am
getting my life together. A lot of

575
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:09,760
people in this room are getting their
life together, too. And we want

576
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:14,240
consistency
out of the city, and we're not getting

577
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:18,079
it. We can't even pave the freaking
roads,

578
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:22,079
let alone consistency. How many people
do we have on the road department right

579
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:27,839
now? Do we have six full-time employees,
or we still down to three?

580
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:31,280
There's too much Cherokee Village and
that's the only thing I can say and I

581
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:35,460
think
>> that there's a lot of good ideas. All

582
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:39,040
right, but Cherokee Village has
[clears throat] got to sit down and

583
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:46,240
decide what it wants to do. One instance
is maybe we take and separate from Sharp

584
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:50,319
County from uh the other county
>> and that would and that would make us

585
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:55,359
smaller which would get us grants and
would would put us in a place where we

586
00:43:53,040 --> 00:44:02,319
might be able to do something. So if the
city splits like you know Little Rock

587
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:07,760
split you know that's an idea but if we
don't sit down and have meetings and

588
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:11,599
discuss these ideas not something online
you know we have to sit down as a

589
00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:14,560
community and start planning our
community cuz Cooper's going

590
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:17,680
» you want to set a date
>> when when Cooper left

591
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:21,040
» a date because it's just political
rhetoric Peter

592
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:26,720
» it's it's not rhetoric
>> I've been I've been I've been saying

593
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:31,280
this stuff 20 years ago when I came in
here 20 years ago and I got the

594
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:35,839
recordings to prove it. I've been saying
the same thing. We need to plan. We need

595
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:41,200
to plan and planning and zoning has not
planned. It has no long-term plans. And

596
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:46,480
that's the problem with the city. Every
time we have a regime change, things

597
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:51,200
change. But the citizens, depending on
where you live, if you're living on a

598
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:55,839
lake and you got a third $300,000 or a
million dollar house,

599
00:44:53,280 --> 00:45:01,920
don't, you know, leave us alone. But if
you're out there with the old community

600
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:05,599
when when Cooper uh left, buildings went
under, you got the young kids coming and

601
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:11,040
picking up. We don't have section 8 in
the in the community yet, but we got the

602
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:17,280
younger people trying to get by, people
uh working for a living and and and

603
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:23,520
really pushing it. And we're the only
community that has this multitude of of

604
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:27,280
rules. Harvey doesn't have it like this.
Highland doesn't have it like this.

605
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:31,280
They're booming. Ash Flat doesn't have
the rules that we have and they're

606
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:35,760
booming. So
>> commercial property

607
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,359
» and and that's because that's the way
Cooper made it. Cooper didn't we were

608
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:44,480
just a
>> we what? Right. Right. So we're living

609
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:49,440
on the cotell of what Cooper had and
it's not working for us.

610
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:53,520
» Screw the past. Let's talk about what
we're going to do tomorrow. Okay.

611
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:58,800
» And that's what needs to be done
>> of always going backwards and going well

612
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:01,599
could have would have should have. But
that's what you're right that needs to

613
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,400
be done.
>> An action plan, Peter.

614
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:09,359
» Well, there you go.
>> Where are we going as a community?

615
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,640
Because you got serious financial
problems

616
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:17,040
» problems. Yes.
>> And you need you need to attract people

617
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,680
here right now. And worrying about the
past isn't going to get new people here.

618
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:23,839
» Correct.
>> A new plan might get new people here.

619
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,920
» Correct.
>> But we have no plans at all. Correct.

620
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:32,960
when we depend on
>> and we can't enforce the plans we have

621
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:37,119
» and everyone else and guess what I
really don't give a damn about those

622
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:42,160
people. I give a damn about how this
city is going to be performing and

623
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:49,359
progressing in the future.
>> Yeah, I agree with you 100%. We need

624
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:53,680
this. No, we need an action plan which
is going to require the entire council

625
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:56,800
and the mayor to go
>> what do other cities do that are

626
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,800
successful?
>> But no, you can't go around other cities

627
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,960
cuz we don't have the same thing other
cities have. Other cities have a

628
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:07,760
downtown. Other cities have a a place
where you can do business. What

629
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:12,800
happened? We had a place we could do
business and now a church is sitting

630
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:16,319
there. We lost a retail opportunity to a
church. Not that I have anything against

631
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:20,319
church, but they could have had that
building off the main street and just

632
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:23,760
put a big sign up there and left it for
retail.

633
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:28,720
» But there's there's no plan. No business
is going to move here if there's

634
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:33,440
correct.
You are 100% you are 100% right.

635
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,079
» Mhm.
>> And but then

636
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:39,280
» and no one will approve the tax
increase. No.

637
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:42,960
» So there you go. There you go.
>> The school's been trying to do it. The

638
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:48,960
city's tried three times to do it. the
schools tried six times to do it. So,

639
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:54,720
you got to look for alternatives. Uh the
lawyer and I

640
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:59,200
are are working on one. And that one,
I'll announce it now, is everybody with

641
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:03,040
the little vehicles that are on the
street that aren't licensed. Well, they

642
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:09,119
should start being paid uh paying for a
license so we can get some revenue for

643
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:14,079
the uh street department because we have
stuff to to work with which we get a

644
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:18,720
turn back from the state but we don't we
can't spend any money on the employees

645
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:23,119
and the retirement or anything like that
until we get another revenue source in

646
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:29,040
because that got lost. Sorry, I'm going
back to the past when the lawsuit

647
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:33,839
happened with SID because part of SID's
responsibility was to provide funding

648
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:38,160
for the roads and streets and to provide
for a fire department. That was in their

649
00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:43,520
original
>> paperwork. That got blown away and

650
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:50,079
that's why we're in a deficit now. So
now we have to have creative thinkers

651
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:53,040
not thinking in the same,
you know, not going down the same route.

652
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:59,680
We're going to go for taxes, we're going
to go for tax. Let's find ways to

653
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:04,400
exploit what we can in Cherokee Village
or or bring revenue in. And until we

654
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,800
have a sit down,
>> how do we go about all this? I mean, if

655
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,160
if we're all if we get the whole
community in here one night and we have

656
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:15,680
a discussion like this, which actually
is very good if you ask me, it's a good

657
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:20,720
discussion without the
>> Yeah.

658
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:24,640
But do we bring ideas to the city or
does the city and the planning and

659
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:29,119
zoning and all the departments and
everything like that? Do they come to

660
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:33,920
this community with the plan? Well, how
do you move? How do you

661
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:39,119
» The the thing of it I think is first of
all discussion like this. Maybe we

662
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:45,359
should quarterly for for nothing better
than quarterly have a citywide meeting

663
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:50,400
and we all get together and the topic is
how to make Cherokee Village a vibrant

664
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:55,440
town. Let's just give it
>> the village people to come. It's at

665
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:59,520
night. Most of them are seniors.
Well, see

666
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:04,800
» when when do you find a time or find a
place or a way to tell all of them and

667
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:07,680
yet I understand the whole online thing.
There are

668
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:12,160
» lots of them don't have any idea what
online is

669
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:16,800
get to them and tell them look we're
going to have a community meeting and we

670
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:20,720
want everybody to come if possible. It
would be wonderful but how do you do it?

671
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:25,680
» Put out flyers.
>> Put out flyers is one way. putting a

672
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:29,599
bailing is another way. And yet the
buffalo, but the benefits for the

673
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:33,040
benefit are tfold.
>> You have everybody here.

674
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:36,079
» Well, somebody's got to spearhead it is
what it boils down to. And it's no

675
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,800
different than us having the economic
exploration committee. And we openly

676
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:45,599
invited people to come. We openly asked
for opinions. We told them it was a

677
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:52,800
broad objective. It was talking about
tax incentives, um, revenues coming in,

678
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:56,319
all kinds of subjects, which to me falls
handinhand with everything we've been

679
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,119
talking about for 20 minutes.
>> Mhm.

680
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:04,559
» And at the very most, we might have had
at the most we might have had four

681
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:10,160
guests show up to our committee,
the last six months of the last six

682
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:15,040
months of 2025. So, it's just going to
take somebody spearheading, somebody

683
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:19,599
gathering phone numbers and names who
want to be a part. Then those 10 people

684
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:23,520
try to contact 10 more of their people
that they know are on the same page as

685
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:28,240
them and and come together. But it's
going to take leadership, somebody

686
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:33,359
taking it by the reigns or three people
taking it by the reigns and and making

687
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:37,200
that happen. This is all good, but you
know, and and how do we do it? Is it

688
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,000
community involved? Is the council
steering it? It doesn't matter. I mean,

689
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:44,880
you come together and make those
decisions together as a group and and

690
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:47,520
move on. But somebody's got to fall on
the sword and be the guy

691
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:53,359
» and
>> or the girl to be able to get the word

692
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:58,960
out. I did not I was not on top.
>> It's it was on the computer. It got

693
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:03,280
announced at I did not get the paper. I
look online for stuff,

694
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:06,480
» but it's not part of the city.
>> It's the same place that you find out

695
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,599
about these meetings. It was in every
city council meeting,

696
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:14,480
» but communication can always get better
around here for for sure.

697
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:20,800
» Any public meeting is posted
outside. It's posted on the Facebook

698
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:25,839
page. It's posted on the website shaking
his head because it's sent to all of the

699
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:29,520
media. So, that's the only thing. We've
hit every way that we can put it out

700
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:34,720
there
>> as fast as we can to get it out there.

701
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:40,160
Now, if somebody wants to do flyers and
you guys drive around and do all this,

702
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:44,800
that's great. But we've hit every and
that is done for every public meeting.

703
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:49,200
» Okay. Why don't we start Why don't we
start today? Penny gets a blank sheet of

704
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:54,160
paper. Anyone that's here, get your name
and number on that so that maybe by word

705
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:59,119
of mouth and talking about this and and
and people listening to this after

706
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:03,680
tonight's over with, somebody might want
to say, "You know what? let me take a

707
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:09,920
hold of that list and let's add to it
and maybe first part of the year someone

708
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:15,440
can decide I mean it's no different than
we were waiting on after budget uh after

709
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:19,280
we finish the budget our economic
exploration committee was going to

710
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:24,880
restart in 2026 so it could be kind of a
spin-off of that instead of having a

711
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,599
bunch of committees or not call it a
committee if you don't want it an

712
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,920
official committee we don't have to I
mean we can still all meet without it

713
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:35,440
being an official committee. So if y'all
want to get that's could be the starting

714
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:40,160
point is get everyone's name and number
from tonight and then

715
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:48,079
» but what could happen is if something
was decided before September. No,

716
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:52,559
we could possibly put it on a a question
on the ballot so that people can vote on

717
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:57,200
this is what we're going to do with
Cherokee Village instead of just being

718
00:53:54,559 --> 00:54:01,599
this word of mouth thing. You don't tell
people that you're going to do it. You

719
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,440
say, "What are your suggestions?" You
start.

720
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:09,760
» Well, well, I'm I'm saying
>> this. No, no. I'm saying we we we come

721
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:12,880
up with a plan, but every two years the
ballot comes up and we and it could be

722
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:17,599
put on a ballot. It doesn't matter
>> or a survey or a survey at the at the

723
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:22,960
right, you But I mean, there's all sorts
of questions put on the ballot uh when

724
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:29,599
we vote and and you could say yes or no
to it and that way we'll get a response

725
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:33,359
from the people of Cherokee Village at
election time.

726
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:40,319
» So I mean, but this is something that
that should start. I mean,

727
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:44,880
» I've I've been in politics most of my
life. My family's been in politics. When

728
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:49,280
my family gets together, I say this a
number of times, that's all we talk

729
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:55,520
about is is is things and and how cities
work and how uh municipalities work. And

730
00:54:53,119 --> 00:55:01,760
there's several different kinds. And I
have fire chiefs in my family. I have um

731
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:07,440
people that used to work on water
departments in my family. So, we have

732
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:15,520
been a service family. That's what we've
done. My dad did it from 1963 to 1997.

733
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:19,760
and the community he worked for um you
know has garbage pickup for free because

734
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,880
uh they thought about it when they were
looking for a transfer station. So they

735
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:26,800
said yeah our little community will take
the transfer station and look now they

736
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:29,680
have free garbage pickup because they
got the transfer station in their

737
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:34,400
community.
if you got to start planning and that's

738
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:39,760
the problem. We go from administration
to administration

739
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:43,839
and there is no consistency
and that's that's that's what I see here

740
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:48,240
in Cherokee Village. That's that's
that's

741
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:51,200
that is a difficult thing. Yes, sir.
Sorry.

742
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,799
» One thing that's consistent is we are
organized with our articles of

743
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:57,839
incorporation of the state of Arkansas.
>> Okay.

744
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:02,319
» We are officially a city. We are a small
city and we have a lot of challenges and

745
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,760
we know that. But we need to follow our
rules and our ordinances and our laws,

746
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:09,599
the structure that we've got and the
hand that we're dealt. And I'm sure

747
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,920
we've made some mistakes in the past,
but we need to stick with following the

748
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:19,920
rules and the laws and the
organizational plan put forth as a city

749
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:25,200
and be very careful to do our eyes,
cross our tees moving forward so that we

750
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:29,839
don't have these little breakdowns of
planning and zoning and permitting and

751
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:33,119
who's got a house and who's got a shed.
I mean, we've got a couple hot button

752
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:37,520
issues we have to deal with, and I'm
hopefully we can move forward and deal

753
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:43,040
with those sooner than later, but we
just have to be as a community and as

754
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:46,079
citizens, as a legislative body here,
we've got to be looking at the future in

755
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,319
all aspects.
>> Correct.

756
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:54,000
» I mean, this is the hand we're dealt.
We've got 5,000 happy campers who call

757
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:58,720
Cherokee Village their home. We have to
try some way to reach them all, have our

758
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:02,000
meetings at the right time of day. And
I'm

759
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:05,760
happy with 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. You got
people that work, you got people that

760
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:09,440
retired, you kind of have to go where
the most people.

761
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:14,319
» But what I want to just emphasize is
that we have to follow the rules and do

762
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:20,880
our best. If we make a mistake, that's
up to it. Try to correct it and do it

763
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:25,920
sooner than later so we don't have this
burden of this millstone around our neck

764
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:30,799
that is just dragging us backwards every
time we have a meeting. So after tonight

765
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:36,000
when we get a quorum, we can move
forward. Let's please as a body and this

766
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:40,640
community make some decisions that are
going to be to the benefit of the entire

767
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:46,240
community and help these people that are
a little bit outside of the rules and

768
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:51,040
regulations help them fall into the into
doing things right. In my position as

769
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:55,599
the director of community compliance for
my company, I have the unsavory job of

770
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:00,160
evicting people from where they live. I
do not like making people homeless. But

771
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:04,720
within the structure and the laws and
the organizational things that we have

772
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:09,440
in the communities that I manage, that
is part of life.

773
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:13,280
» That is part of life. We have to be
adults. We have to come to grips with

774
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:18,799
what life is. And we need to deal with
it. And as as good, God-fearing citizens

775
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:23,440
in this part of the country, we can help
people out that are hurting. We can help

776
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:26,720
them find resources and help them as a
community get around some of these

777
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:31,200
challenges. But we don't want to start
bending law or breaking the law. We're

778
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:36,880
going to set a precedent that is going
to be haunting us as we go down the road

779
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:41,760
in the future. We need to stay on task,
follow our rules, our ordinances, and

780
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:47,799
make sure that we treat everybody fairly
and equitably at that point.

781
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,799
» Thank you.

782
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:57,599
Mayor, can I say something?
>> Peter, in your words, you said something

783
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:02,559
» when I
>> that I took very offensive, but you're

784
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,960
not even listening.
>> So, sorry. I was

785
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:10,720
» Say that again, Penny. Sorry.
>> I said you said something that I took

786
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:15,359
very offensive when you sat there and
said that the people that live on the

787
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:23,839
lake and their $300,000 just don't
bother me. Excuse me, but I do care. And

788
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:28,799
don't put people in classes because I
don't know why you did. But that was

789
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,920
» No, I live on.
>> That was totally rude and inappropriate

790
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:37,200
to speak out.
>> I don't why I don't know. You don't live

791
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,480
on Lake Thunderbird.
>> You didn't say like Thunderbird.

792
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,559
» But this isn't the This isn't about
halves and have nots,

793
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:49,359
» right? You you you can but you could see
it in the city is my

794
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:54,240
» there's no ifs abouts about its whether
it's a little house you said that's fine

795
00:59:52,079 --> 01:00:00,160
that's a little house whether I live on
Thunderberg whether I live on Janud or I

796
00:59:56,319 --> 01:00:07,079
live up in Timbuktu that doesn't matter
we as people still care

797
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,079
» everybody no matter

798
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:13,440
» and I apologize if I offended but I
didn't mean it in that partic I was

799
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:17,839
there's a different mindset from a
person that's got a million dollars than

800
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:21,599
a person that has no income.
>> And and there is a different there there

801
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:25,440
is a different mindset there. And I've
seen it. I've I've I've known lots of

802
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:30,720
millionaires in my life and I've known
lots of really poor people in my life.

803
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:34,319
So there there is a mindset where a
person with a lot of money goes, "Well,

804
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:38,559
let's just raise taxes." But they can't
think about the poor little guy that

805
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:42,160
can't afford the taxes. We have a a lady
here that's trying to get a house up and

806
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:48,880
she's gone through a lot of things and
she just can't afford to knock down a

807
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:56,559
$200,000 to get a project done. So, I
mean, that's Cherokee Village is too big

808
01:00:52,000 --> 01:01:02,857
and we have to figure a way to to
make it like you said that we're

809
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,857
following the law, [clears throat]

810
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:10,240
but we have to find a way to bring
people here

811
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:14,960
to increase our revenue because our only
revenue is basically the taxpayers.

812
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,880
» The growth of our community is a
multiaceted problem. Yes,

813
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:22,720
» there's short-term solutions, midterm
solutions, and long solutions

814
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,839
» for attracting people, attracting
business, and fostering community

815
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,880
growth.
>> You can't flip a switch and make things

816
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:33,119
happen overnight. Correct.
>> We have to sit, think, talk, and

817
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:37,280
strategize how we're going to get our
community to survive, how we're going to

818
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:42,319
get it to thrive. And I think if we're
just all patient, and keep moving

819
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:47,520
forward, we're going to get there. But
it's not going to happen in 2026. It's

820
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:51,359
not going to happen in 2027.
It's going to be slow growth. The slow

821
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:56,079
growth is better than no growth.
>> And we have to be open to ways to where

822
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:59,280
we can attract more business to build
our tax base.

823
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:02,799
» That means reszoning some of our lots,
reszoning some of our land, taking

824
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:07,119
advantage of the things that are right
in front of us. But oh, that's never

825
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:11,040
been done before. Let's think outside
the box and try to do some things

826
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:16,960
strategically that can improve the
situation. And when Mr. Cooper developed

827
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:21,359
our sleepy little bedroom community. He
didn't do us any favors by not having

828
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:26,079
any zone business land or enough
business land and being off the highway.

829
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,799
It's the hand we're dealt and we're
going to have to create it and it's

830
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,760
going to be
>> we're going to have to focus for quite a

831
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,680
while to get where we're going.
>> All right. So, all of those topics that

832
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:39,440
you just discussed are is what we
discussed in the economic exploration

833
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,720
committee. So, like I said, if y'all
give y'all want to give at the very

834
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:47,599
least if you want to give Penny your
names and numbers, I can let you know

835
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:52,960
when that committee meets. And if that
committee turns into a larger community,

836
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:56,480
we want to call it something different,
then so be it. But everything that he

837
01:02:55,119 --> 01:03:00,160
just said and all the other things I
just said are all the things that we

838
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:03,440
talk about in that committee. So, it
covers a broad spectrum.

839
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:08,960
» Rename it the Trickyville Steering
Committee. And then one other thing too,

840
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:13,280
thinking about how to um really make
sure that our all of our seniors who

841
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:17,520
don't have computers or um are learned
and I'm I'm not even trying to be funny,

842
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:22,079
but carols go to carols. Have a
committee of volunteers that literally

843
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:25,680
have flyers and are just parked at
carols for the day or a couple days and

844
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:30,000
just
>> Yeah. just and literally just like go up

845
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:33,760
to greet them and make sure they know
that we have this economic development

846
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,200
committee and we're looking at you know
ways to grow and they may not be

847
01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:40,640
interested but they may be interested
and that may be how they find out. So

848
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:45,039
just a suggestion there
>> all of those notices are put outside too

849
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,240
between here and the senior center
>> everything that way

850
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:52,000
» all you have to do is walk out there
because we know some people don't have

851
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:54,960
computers they don't
>> so we do put it there

852
01:03:53,520 --> 01:04:00,079
» Miss Hannah's had her arm up for a
little bit I would venture to say that a

853
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:06,559
good percentage of the residents here
don't have a clue that we're in trouble

854
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:12,640
truly and and I don't know the survey
sounds good but if we put out an AP that

855
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:18,079
you know we
are in trouble we'd like your opinions

856
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:21,599
we need some help got any great ideas
you know by soliciting more I love the

857
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,359
idea about carols by the way that would
be great with them with them writing

858
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:32,400
even things in carols
ideas and shove it in a box. But that

859
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:36,319
most people here don't know in
these look who's

860
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:41,680
» well it's got to be grassroots
advertising. So my 10 people have to

861
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:44,400
contact 10 of their people and it's got
a

862
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:49,520
» and ask for their help.
>> Yeah. Literally. Hey, believe me,

863
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:53,280
» cuz we have I know we have a wealth of
people here with wonderful businesses

864
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:57,200
that they've had and certainly they've
got a lot of spot, you know, with

865
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:03,440
regards to what they could provide for
us in ideas and and changing things.

866
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:11,280
I didn't know that we were in trouble
till I started coming here to my own my

867
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:18,799
own case. I didn't know I didn't even
know we've had enough

868
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:23,839
» maybe three times
except a lot of people don't want to

869
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:28,359
move because of all the rules and that
>> over and over and over and I think

870
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:28,359
that's

871
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:36,079
different
I'm just sharing

872
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:40,799
» well I I'm hoping for more positiveness
negative ative rhetoric uh on Facebook

873
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:46,000
or online is not helping this community
out at all. I mean, it's the negativity

874
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:49,760
is reaching Memphis. It's reaching
Jonesboro. It's reaching Little Rock.

875
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:55,920
And it's reaching people who didn't even
ask to see that on their phone. It just

876
01:05:52,480 --> 01:06:01,039
randomly pops up. Then they click on it
and then they happen to maybe know

877
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:03,920
somebody maybe that lived here. And then
they call that person and says, "What's

878
01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:07,520
going on?"
And heaven forbid if they were anybody

879
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:14,480
who thought about coming here in the
next 5 years to retire or have a

880
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:19,280
vacation home or whatever. So this group
and this count council I mean we have

881
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:24,559
got to all get together on being
positive and proactive. And I'm not

882
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:30,640
saying that that bad things don't happen
or negative things don't happen but I

883
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:36,160
mean we need to be a a glass half full
not half empty here. Right. So,

884
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:40,319
» we just need to be grateful that we have
>> Yes.

885
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:42,880
» Well, I'd like to uh motion for
adjournment and I'd like to thank

886
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,680
everybody because this is better than
the regular meeting, I think, so far.

887
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,720
» Yeah.
>> This has been very informative.

888
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,920
» Yeah, this is the most public attendance
I've seen.

889
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:56,160
» Oh, I do want to say this with uh the
Can I have these? I wanted her to pass

890
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,760
them on to Charlie, but just to remind
you, I've said this before in a council

891
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:04,960
meeting, go to the Cherokee Village
website, go under planning and zoning,

892
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:10,480
click on that, then you can click on
being able to do a court enforcement

893
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:15,200
um complaint
and and Robert gets that every single

894
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:19,119
day. I mean, you could wear it out. I
mean, if you want to be going on a

895
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:23,200
Sunday drive and find 10 houses that you
don't like, then do it and put it in the

896
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:27,520
planning and zoning complaint box.
>> But the other thing to that is start

897
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:31,920
coming to courts on Fridays and watch
what the judge does.

898
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:36,079
» Yeah, it's it's only two judge.
>> It's split. There's it's we're split

899
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:42,079
district. It's two judge. It's the uh
Mark Johnson and is it Alex? Yeah, Alex

900
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:45,440
bigger. But but pay attention to how the
judges

901
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:50,079
dole out their justice or
>> or support the audience and advocate for

902
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:54,160
your village.
>> Yes. Cuz the mayor the mayor did say

903
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:59,599
something earlier and I didn't get to to
amen him but the the other issue is is

904
01:07:57,359 --> 01:08:04,799
that citations are being issued,
warnings are being issued. uh we are

905
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:11,520
following a procedure in house but once
it reaches the point to the next step is

906
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:16,560
going before a judge um more often times
than not that is where that is where the

907
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:21,759
ball gets dropped um so that's very
important to figure out who the judges

908
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:26,719
are it is an election year advocate
write letters send emails I know that's

909
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:30,159
a lot of work it shouldn't take in one
sense it shouldn't take all of that but

910
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:34,159
in another sense the squeaky wheel gets
the grease

911
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:39,359
So, I encourage you to to find that out.
But we do have a process in place. We

912
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:45,199
just need to work the process. But it
does hit kind of a it hits a wall. And

913
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:47,679
the wall, unfortunately, is the
>> Friday morning.

914
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:52,239
» It'll be next next
>> is it once a month. Mayor, when is it?

915
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:54,319
» It's next Friday. Usually
>> Yeah.

916
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:57,600
» Yes. In this room, usually it's the
Friday after a council meeting, but

917
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:02,799
because of the month and the holiday
being Monday, it's it'll be next Friday.

918
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:06,480
It's not like a particular Friday of the
month. It's just like a scheduled date.

919
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,679
» It's usually always the third Friday of
the month.

920
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,799
» Friday.
>> Oh,

921
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:15,120
» but but with the holiday Monday holiday,
they moved it back a week.

922
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:19,279
» Gotcha.
>> I second I second your motion.

923
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:23,920
» Motion to adjurnn. Second.
>> All in favor?

924
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,920
There we