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ready.
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» It's nice to see you all again.
>> Uh let's call this uh meeting to order.

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Uh we respectfully acknowledge that we
live and work in Mcmagi as a steward of

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the ancestral territory of the McMahon
people. We are all treaty people.

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Can I get someone to approve the agenda?
>> So move second.

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» Moved by Warden Weber, second by
councelor Asf. All those in favor?

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Opposed? Motion's carried.
Minutes of the previous meeting were

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circulated.
Any errors or omissions?

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[laughter]
>> Moved by Warden Weber and seconded by

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Councelor Church. Um discussion.
One thing I noticed uh in the minutes is

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that um during the uh this the the topic
of the landfill business strategy, we

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talked a lot about um septage and I feel
like most of that conversation was sort

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of maybe maybe in I'm not sure on
purpose, but uh they didn't really speak

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to it at all in the minutes and uh
somehow I hope that that that message

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wasn't lost on staff. Oh,
>> good. Okay. Well, maybe we only need it

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Maybe we only need it at a high level at
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» Yeah, I think some of that was in
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» Very well. All right. So, uh we have a
mover and a seconder. All those in

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favor? Opposed? Motion's carried.
All right.

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Exciting. Topic one.
System of municipal fire inspection

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inspection policy policy review
community and develop community

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development and recreation. All right,
council.

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» Good to see you.
>> All right, the floor is yours.

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» So, we'd like to bring this to your
attention. This policy um this is we're

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looking to do a policy review. This is
one of the policies we're looking at.

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identified some things we'd potentially
like to change and get some council

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direction on some of those changes. So,
the agenda for this, this is going to be

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very quick. Um, if you go back up. Yeah,
I know that's always the preferred one.

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Uh, so a few areas we'd like to look at.
The inspection schedule, that's the most

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important part of this policy. It's a
fairly limited policy if you've looked

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through it. Um, in the initial policy
review, we've looked at a few areas we

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would like to either change or correct
some small errors or generally shake up

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a bit. Um, and then we'd like to look to
you for any direction you have in how

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you would like this policy to be shaped
and to be applied. So, a little bit

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about the background, how we got here.
Um, we are required to have a system of

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fire inspections. This is one of those
areas where it's split between all

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jurisdictions. So we have a part to
play. The province largely has the most

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in terms of framework. And then there
are also national building codes and

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fire codes we have to adhere to. So in
accordance with all three of those, we

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have to have a system of fire
inspections. By system, it's mostly the

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schedule on which we are going to do our
inspections. Uh in September 2018, we

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enacted this policy and that's the last
time it has been updated. So we're about

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due for an update.

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So the objectives for why we want to
review it and make some changes. We have

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four sort of smaller points. One is just
update the schedule. This will have the

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most sort of council direction, council
input if you'd like. The second is to

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remove duplicate sections. A lot of this
policy is copied from the provincial

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legislation and generally we should try
to avoid that. Uh the third is to narrow

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the scope. Again, we are one part of
three different jurisdictions all

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dealing with this. So it would be good
to kind of pare it down to just those

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areas where we have jurisdiction over.
Uh and then four just general

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housekeeping changes. This policy is
eight years old and should be looked at

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and updated with our language and you
know updated with anything else we've

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changed.
So the inspection schedule this is the

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area where we have more authority over
more jurisdiction more leeway. So our

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current schedule, we have the group A's
and C's, that's assembly occupancy and

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residential occupancy. Those are every 3
years. The legislation, the provincial

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legislation tells us we have to do that
every 3 years. But the rest of them we

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have authority over how often we want to
inspect and most we've defaulted to

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every 5 years and then industrial
occupancy high hazards every 3 years. In

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general, and this is in consultation
with our fire inspector and looking at

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some of the other municipalities, we
would like to be a little more proactive

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on this and have three years for most of
them and then every year for industrial

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occupancy high hazards. So that's the
schedule we would like to go to, but

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this is also, you know, within our
leeway. We can decide whether this is

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sufficient. I'll also note that these
are are minimum. We can always

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investigate more if there are issues, if
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for whatever reason, we are allowed to
use jurisdiction and or use um

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discretion and investigate more
frequently if needed.

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» To the next one, the duplication. Uh in
general, we try to avoid this. Uh

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» just a moment. Warden Weber has a
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» Of course.
>> I mean, like you guys know more about

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this than me. I mean, the only you're
you're you're going you want to do the

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the inspections more frequently, which
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the staffing capacity to do it. And
that's what that's my what I want to

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know.
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service with Mahome Bay, which opens up
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» Yeah. So,
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this kind of stuff, I mean, you're
you're the professionals on it. I I just

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want to make sure you can actually do
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» Yeah. No, that is absolutely and on an
ongoing basis that is worth considering.

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So, this is as as we determine within
our current capacity and we don't expect

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that to run out anytime soon. So, this
should be good.

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» Yeah. I just one other comment is we
we've talked through this at the staff

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level as well because we knew this would
be uh more than likely [clears throat]

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one of the primary concerns that council
would have. And uh so upon uh you know

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talking about fire inspections over the
past few years, we've let council know

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that we've we've been in a deficit and
we've been behind schedule for a good

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period of time where we had periods
where we didn't have a fire inspector or

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we had part-time fire inspectors doing
other work. Uh and for a short period of

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time, another municipality was was
assisting us with doing some of those

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fire inspections. And uh so I think this
is partly credit to the great work that

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Matthew's been doing since he's been
here. and we are now in a in a point of

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uh we've caught up and and we're back on
par with where we should be. And so that

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deficit has been kind of cleared up. And
so now that we're kind of in that

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position of into our regular schedule,
uh that that has also uh freed up some

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of our staff resources to be able to
have the time uh to do our regular

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inspections and not to be always be
working backwards or trying to catch up.

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And so I think we're in a in a really
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[clears throat]
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inspections uh is not anticipated uh to
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» I I counselor ASF.
>> Thank you.

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» Just a second.
Yeah, that was my biggest concern

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because
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when they don't get a fire inspection
for 2 or 3 years or whatever and then

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all of a sudden it comes in and said,
well, like it it it caused a lot of

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friction between the inspector and not
always, but you know, they're wondering

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why are you coming to me now? And it's
so I'm I guess what I'm trying to say is

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if if we're back on a level playing
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» I hope we don't let it get to that point
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» in some fashion. I don't know how we'll
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» yeah,
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because it's it's not fair to the public
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it puts a burden on everybody and uh
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is close a business down. That's right.
Put a put a put an undue burden on them

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that
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one time. But that was my biggest
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» Yeah. And that was part of what we had
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brought uh we brought Matthew on as as
full-time fire inspector was for that

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exact reason. And so, and and I do uh
think and Matthew can can chime in if he

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likes, but I think, you know, having
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people are used to seeing the fire
inspector and so you're not be like a

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lot in 5 years a lot can happen uh
versus you know, 3 years or one years

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like then you're seeing the fire
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yeah, know what to expect or um you
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of those things and people tend to do
that if they know they're going to have

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an inspection more frequently. So, yeah.
So, so I do I do think this is a a good

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change.
>> More frequent inspections usually equate

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to less contraventions because you're
you're there more frequently, which

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means shorter inspections and eventually
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» me. Okay. Yes. Um, this probably sounds
like a good idea, but I think we have to

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be careful in in our wording because,
uh, you put something in the policy, it

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can easily become a standard. So, I', I
think what we want to see is a policy

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that would allow for more frequent
inspections, but that's not, you know,

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that's not necessarily a standard, if
you know what I mean. So, you might you

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might want to start with a minimum if
it's three or five, whatever, but have

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the policy worded such it could be more
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» That is the current policy. Yeah. It
allows for the discretion of the fire

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inspector to do more frequently.
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you want to do it every three years or
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that's doable and feasible, you know,
and then maybe when that becomes the

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norm, then you may want to come back and
put it more definitively in policy. But

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I would hesitate to do it in advance
only because if you fall short

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then you're you've fallen short of your
own policy.

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» Yeah.
>> And if and if there's repercussent can

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be repercussions.
>> That was my concern.

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» Something happens
>> should we have a staff change and then

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we start to fall behind and then
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an accident and we haven't been on site
to do their inspection per our policy

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then does that put us in a jeopardous
situation? All right. Okay. I don't

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» And it will it will we'll this is just
for discussion of what what council's

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thoughts are. Um the only other thing I
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capacity. We know we're we're
potentially growing and if those

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residential occupancies do um grow those
over three we have to do those every

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three years. That's mandated every three
years. So if we start to get a

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proliferation of those and that could
that could impact right

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» make adjustments in the future for sure.
>> Um barring no other questions I I had a

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question also like are there no uh
provincial standards on inspection

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frequency because that is that that's
what how does that line up with what

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we're proposing today? So there are some
uh the group A and group C are

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provinially mandated and then the rest
of them fall under a municipality shall

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uh and they are not prescribed as
specific terms.

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» The wording of the regulation I've got
it in front of me. A municipality must

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carry out a system of fire inspections.
So it has to be a a system of fire

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inspections on all buildings containing
the following occupancies. And then it

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lists them but it doesn't list a time
frame. So we have to articulate. I think

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that's one of [clears throat] the we'll
have to work on that with you. We I

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think we have to articulate how often it
can be expected and then um

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» and surely there's a like a you you have
professional associations that we would

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probably belong to.
>> Surely they have guidelines that they

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publish as well outside of the
regulation.

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» Yeah. So so the policy A's are required
every 3 years that is mandated. the rest

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is up to each municipality. And I did a
little bit of research on some other

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municipalities in Nova Scotia. And it's
actually all over the place. There

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really isn't much of a standard. Like
some like Halifax, for example, does

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residentials every 2 years or some do
bars every year. Some other places are

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like F1s, F2s, and F3s, which are all
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hazard buildings. Those are like two
years, three years, four years. So it's

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it is really up to the municipality and
a lot of the municipalities use a

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riskbased analysis which they determine
within that municipality and kind of

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pick building per building where they're
going to place it in an inspection

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interval.
>> Yeah. I mean, me personally, sorry to I

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don't want to monopolize this
conversation, but I I think I would be

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in favor of maybe
like shrinking down some of these

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inspection periods. I I agree with you
that more frequent we'll bring pe folks

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into compliance and they'll they'll tend
not to drift out

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» because they'll be an expectation that
this is this reoccurring thing is

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happening more frequently. That's good.
Um, but you know, maybe when this comes

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back as a proposed policy change, we
could have I'd like to see like rather

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than a jurisdictional scan because
that's often times a tool that we use to

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benchmark our policy changes against
others,

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you know, I'd rather look at what like
like your professional associations,

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what they have to say about these sort
of things because they they tend to have

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a broader view. um, you know, looking at
some other hillbilly municipalities next

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door that that that may not actually be
a a good way of of figuring out if we're

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on the right track or not. So, you know,

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» council per
>> Thank you, Deputy Wardant. Um, staffing

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is always going to be the issue how we
can do it. Glad to hear we have some

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free time. For me, it's the senior
complexes, the special needs locations,

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which we have several. They can change,
as you know, Matt, a lot frequently.

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People do things that aren't always the
safest and smartest things to do, but

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we're hopefully educating them. And the
fact is, we are going to grow and we're

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going to need these frequencies more
often to do those locations. And I

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really encourage you to keep doing what
you're doing. in it's it's pleasing to

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me to know you're on top of the game and
knows what know what we have to have

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done to keep us safe and it's a it's a
big picture. The province got themselves

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in some trouble over the years for their
lack of inspections and their confusion.

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So, we need to set a pace. You said it
well. Nobody's consistent. We could be

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consistent and should be consistent.
Thank you.

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So I'm I'm you know I'm feeling from the
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speak up but that I think mostly we're
in favor of what you're proposing here

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and you know I I can say over the last
number of years that our building

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official like the building side of our
department has always been pretty

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strong. Our fire side
historically had been weak and now it's

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nice to see like a level of
professionalism that's come in to the

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department. So I think this is good
another good step forward for us as a

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municipality. So um you know I look
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in in policy form and you know maybe
with a little bit bit of backup for to

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to because because then it'll have to go
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we'll have the backup in the package why
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» Okay. Oh, councelor Church, sorry.
>> Just one comment. Um,

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[clears throat and cough] do you go out
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places to
um, you know, suggest to them that you

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should do this? Because I know with the
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a lot can happen and I've heard it from
some, oh my heavens, you know, the fire

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inspector is in and now we've got to
spend all this money, huge amount of

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money to change something. Whereas if
you're in on a more frequent basis, not

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as an inspection, but just say, "Hey,
you know, we'll be back. Maybe you

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should look at some a few things and do
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what your time schedule is that you're
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your role. I don't know."
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usually it's upon request of the
business owner. Okay. Um, and there's

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also some of that when uh a business
changes, which happens quite frequently

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around here it seems. But, um, so the
building, so you could have a building

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that has six different occupancies in
it. So, it could be a bunch of

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storefronts and and a restaurant or
something like that. Um, so let's say

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that is a 5-year inspection interval. If
something changes and a building closes

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and re reopen or a business closes and
reopens that would typically prompt a

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visit. Okay.
>> And it's not usually a official

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inspection
more like a proactive approach. So there

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is a little bit of that.
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» and changes in occupancy as well.
Classifications would would prompt a

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reinspection as well as complaints. So
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it's not a
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and uh drop into different places but
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when the opportunity is there.
>> Right. Okay.

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» Great. I think that's I think that'll
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questions.
>> There's a couple more slides.

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» All right. Oh, is there Oh, sorry.
>> These other ones are are far more

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structural and procedural. That's fine.
>> Um, this is Could you go back up to the

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provincial legislation and uh regulation
there? So, uh, as I, as identified,

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there are some areas of this policy that
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Uh, part that is partially what brought
this. The province has changed um some

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of their system of complaints if it's
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So, we'd like to go through and kind of
remove the sections that are duplicating

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provincial and um either accommodating
them by putting in pointers to the

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provincial legislation or just removing
them if they are no longer relevant.

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Uh and then finally, we would like to
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more control over the actual appointment

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of the municipal fire inspector, which
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simple. We don't anticipate any changes.
We have a schedule for inspections which

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we will take your uh input and come back
with some options. And then the process

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for complaints and these are for uh
complaints by the public. Um so how

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they're processed, how they're
investigated. So we'd like to clean up

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some of that language, remove some
ambiguities and kind of tighten that

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process up. So those are the main areas
we'd like to look at. The schedule is

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the big one that we have a lot of
jurisdiction over and then the other two

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are mostly procedural structural wording
choices, housekeeping changes.

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» Good.
>> Slam dunk.

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» All right. Thank you very much.

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» All right, folks.
>> Let's try to knock off another one. We

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got the potable water study update from
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» This one's going to be exciting.

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» I give the tallest the smallest.

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» All right. Hi. Uh good morning. We're
here to give an update of the potable

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water study that was started last fiscal
year. It's a two-year program. And with

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me are uh Maggie and Kyle from Dylan,
and of course Jonathan Megan with our

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I'm going to go through the capital
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the study, the interim findings, early
estimate of costs, and proposed next

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steps.
Jonathan, I'll get you go. Who that?

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>> if you can take this there because with

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» Yeah, we just wanted to sort of go
review where we're at in terms of the

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some of the financing through external
grants that we've had to the various

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water initiatives we we've attempted.
So, we've received three different pcap

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grants from the province uh devoted to
different attempts. So, uh the 23 pcap

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uh was for originally for test wells in
middle river area that proved to be

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unsuccessful.
uh but the province has been very

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flexible and accommodating and allow us
to sort of revise the scope so we can

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make use of those costs because these
are 50% of the total costs that we

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receive in advance. So rather than sort
of try and figure out how to return

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money they're more than more than
[clears throat] happy for us to apply

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that to to work to activity that's
within the scope of the original uh uh

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original intent. So in that sense that
first one then we applied that balance

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to uh community wells work uh both the
agreement development and and some other

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associated costs. The 24 pcap was
originally for a hydrogeeological study

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in Robertson's corner area again
unsuccessful. We applied that uh balance

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to the first phase of the portable water
study which was the watershed flow

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monitoring. Um so that was we were able
to to get that approval through the

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province and then the most most recent
uh PECAP and which will turn out to be

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the last one because the PCAP program
has been discontinued by the province uh

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is for the wholesale potable water study
that we're undertaking with Dylan right

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now. So that's essentially where we're
at. So we have

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» we have uh adequate uh grant funding
available for for for the balance for

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the work that we need to do. I
understand right.

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» Yeah, that's correct. Around 200 200,000
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uh for future work. Uh the scope of the
work in phase one as a background review

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and initial screening that's completed.
Uh bthometric survey and drone aerial

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that's basically to determine the volume
of Henry Lake and what's going into it.

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Uh the water watershed understanding in
general that's completed. uh field

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program. We're continuing with uh some
studies and uh the last year that we

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studied gave us very good data what the
lowest case scenario is. Uh the concept

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engineering study that's in progress and
we've had preliminary consultation with

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environment natural resources the
department of transportation regarding

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potential areas potential routes and so
on and regulatory liaison that's ongoing

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as well.
Uh we looked at four lakes Vans Lake,

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Bazansen Lake, Canot Lake and Henry Lake
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field monitoring and the further
analysis because we could get full

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access to that. Uh we looked at three
communities, Western Shore, Chester

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Basin and Chester and of course anything
in between right the water manes don't

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skip over areas.
Yeah. And then we looked at the

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population growth like if this was
actually in place in 2030 to60 we used a

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high rate the 1.8% 8% growth per year
per year per year and uh it can meet

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that with our studies but we also want
to sit down with other staff to see if

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that's reasonable or not like there's
some allowances for industrial activity

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and so on right uh it's a typical lake
no significant signs of contamination

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it's also you know worries about uranium
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like that
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» pretty much only about 25% of it isn't
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that. And if it goes forward in the
future, we're not looking to make crazy

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restrictions either. We want to work
with the people that are on the lake,

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still have it open to recreation. Yeah.
Things like that. So, we uh they had a

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rough look at cost about, you know, 48.5
million. And that gives you the

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treatment plan. Uh the main mains going
into the communities, the reservoirs,

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pressure stations, and so on. We they
didn't look like all the little loops

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for the subdivisions and that. So, and
bulk water stations, things like to that

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effect. Engineering's around 5%. I threw
some contingency in there. And then if

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nothing's done over the three years with
the inflation and costs, another five

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million there. So it's around 63
million. And then we added further

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contingency because really phase one's
not even done yet, but we're working on

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that. So at the end of the day, we're
looking at about 78.6 million. Then

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you've got to look at land costs and
that. So there's a lot of it, but we

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have an expert here in uh grants. So we
should be no problem, right? Yeah, and

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this is just construction costs. We got
to look at operation costs, right? Do we

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join up with another municipality or
another group or utility out there? So,

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there's lot to think of.
>> And this would be this would be full

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with like allin with distribution
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know maybe one area is not quite ready.
we have on board and with the phasing

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like a lot of the tanks now with the
glass fuse steel bolted that you put

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them in sections well maybe you only put
two/ird of it up and then 10 years down

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the road you put up the others right so
those are pretty sharp things like that

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next one
so uh the proposed next steps

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uh we look at different things that we
could look at for the remaining monies

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» let's give uh Tom a chance to jump Sure.
>> Thank you, Deputy Warden. Quick

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question, Fred. Any allowance for
hydrant water? I know it says potable

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water. Or are we laying any pipe for
blue water if we want to grow in the

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future?
>> No. Uh, this is all for full fire

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protection.
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» we're smoking.
>> Thank you.

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» Yeah, the reservoir is for all that good
stuff. Yeah. Right.

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» Right. And I can go to the next slide.
Yeah. So we looked at uh continue water

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quality sampling level monitoring just
continue what we have to get another

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good year data. Uh the downstream
environmental studies 30 to 75,000 and a

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lot of that is just
we can take you know we know what volume

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we need but we have to establish what
the rivers and the system needs

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downstream. So we can't take all of it.
We got to look at what we can do to keep

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that maintained. is called maintenance
flow. And the early thoughts were uh an

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engineered wetland where the water the
backwash water from the plant isn't just

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discharged into a sewer is is retained.
And then that water could help with the

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the flow downstream. And you got a
school right next door. They're probably

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interested in habitat and water
treatment plants. Might even get some

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future uh operators from them. Huh.
Right. And then uh consultation

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developer survey. We should do that
right off the bat because we got to see

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who's interested, see if it's even
feasible for that, right? And then

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again, the phasing, I talked a little
bit about that. So, we're looking around

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100,000 200,000
roughly to complete that work, which

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will be within the PECAP what we have,
right?

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» Yeah. So, summaries again, we're going
to continue with what we have been doing

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in phase one for those areas.
And then uh again just want to mention

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the bulk border station because that
could help everyone in Chester right

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Miss Paloo not just those with the that
and then the next steps it's recommended

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that we continue on with that under the
current contact with Dylan or a new one

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if we have to but I think we have some
good momentum and want to keep it going.

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» Any questions?
Councelor

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Connor. Hey,
>> thank you. So, just um the bulk water

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station. Yeah.
>> So, we're talking location at obviously

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if it is Henry Lake.
>> Yes. What we're thinking preliminary is

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uh some of the DNR lands right beside
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» Yeah. Yeah. No, Henry Lake is right. But
uh but again, I'm just trying to get my

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head around a bulk water station and um
residents and businesses,

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» taxpayers throughout the municipality
from

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» the tip of Aspagen to the tip of New
Ross. And so I'm just trying to get my

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head around
>> Yeah. the benefit and the value and the

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the interest when you know again my
district six residents and taxpayers

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» um kind of take a look at this and so on
and and then reach back out to me. I

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think one of the questions that they may
ask me and you've ch chatted about um

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the capital or this being going back a
few slides this is just construction we

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need to look at operating and so on
>> and I know that we have for um those

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with direct benefit with um sewer the
the wastewater systems there is a

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universal sewer rate so I assume we're
going to be looking at universal water

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rate as well
>> that's correct we have to look at the

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utility rates and thanks for bringing
that up

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» cuz we got to look at what we can get
for construction and the maintenance.

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Try to get that sweet spot. So our rates
are between the lowest in the province

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and the highest. We want to have
something that's

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» acceptable.
>> Yeah.

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00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:20,559
» Yeah. Yeah. It has to be and it has to
be again um those receiving the benefit

411
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,960
like I assume a wastewater system will
will have to pay that universal sewer

412
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,880
rate.
>> That's correct. It' be a water utility

413
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,840
rate.
>> It would be a water utility. IA

414
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:33,600
regulated utility with rates set by or
approved by the uh regulatory body just

415
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,799
wanted
>> and then this construction is would have

416
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,919
to be paid back by the utility, right?
So this shouldn't take away from other

417
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,000
big projects that we have. We got to
figure out how to do that under the

418
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:52,080
future utility. I think this is I think
this is this is great and thank you for

419
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:56,799
uh the update about the uh the PECAP um
kind of reallocation in terms of where

420
00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:01,120
we are today and also too I have full
faith as you do

421
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:05,440
» in Mr. Meikin in terms of uh navigating
and sourcing and applying and receiving

422
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,880
and so on. So yeah, thank you. Thank
you. This is exciting. I I think this is

423
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,799
very exciting.
>> I think it's worth looking into.

424
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,000
And I think Jonathan, you could probably
add a little bit around the

425
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:21,120
opportunities right now for federal
funding and partnering on that. There's

426
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:24,240
some it's a prime time right now for for
some of those opportunities.

427
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:28,880
» Yeah, there's the as you I'm sure you've
heard there's the building Canada strong

428
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:33,120
fund. It's a the fed new federal
initiative and there are several streams

429
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:37,679
attached to that. uh one is a direct
stream which is underway right now but

430
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:43,120
the focus of that doesn't really fit
partly because that that stream is

431
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:47,519
really about shovel ready projects. Uh
but the the provincial and territory

432
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:53,039
stream that's going to be forthcoming
likely uh next year uh sounds like that

433
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:57,440
that scope that focus will be a suitable
fit for this kind of project. Uh I've

434
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:03,200
had a preliminary conversation with with
municipal affairs and they are very

435
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:06,320
keen. So we will see where it goes.
>> Yeah.

436
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:11,440
» Council Ras,
>> thank you. I I I'm looking at your

437
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:15,519
summary recommendation here and the
Henry Lake wershed appears to be a

438
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:19,760
promising candidate for central portable
water systems. Western Shore, Chester

439
00:33:17,679 --> 00:33:24,480
Basin, Chester. Now I'm thinking outside
the box here, but those are all coastal

440
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:30,159
communities. And have have we ever
studied desalinization?

441
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:33,200
Has that ever been? Yeah, we we have had
a look at that cuz

442
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:38,480
» we have been trying for four years to
see what the options are and uh

443
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:44,000
desalination is very expensive a lot of
power understood sorry available for

444
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,919
that but uh Barington is looking at
something where they get the energy

445
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:52,960
through wave action and then we had some
inquiries about our harbors but where

446
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:55,360
they're fairly sheltered we don't get
the big waves that would help with the

447
00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:00,960
cost on
>> the I I just it just seems to me that,

448
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,880
you know, we're struggling to find
possible water sources.

449
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:06,720
» Yeah.
>> And that's not going to get any better.

450
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:11,919
Not in my view.
>> Uh I'm a firm believer that in in the

451
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,399
future,
>> that's where our water's going to come

452
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:19,359
from.
>> That's just I mean, they do it in in the

453
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:21,119
Middle East out of necessity. And of
course, they have all kinds of money

454
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,119
there, but
>> but it's necessity. That's how they get

455
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:28,639
water. Yeah. And
>> and that's what's going to happen to us

456
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:31,359
here. Not not not tomorrow, but
eventually.

457
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:35,359
» Yeah. And then, you know, hopefully with
the utility, you look at the future

458
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:39,679
asset management, the future studies,
and you do that planning as part of the

459
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,320
rates, and hopefully by then somebody
cracks the code on how to make that

460
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:43,919
cheaper, right?
>> Yep.

461
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:47,919
» Thank you.
>> Yeah. The hydraology lab at Dhouse

462
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:51,599
University is doing a lot of really
interesting work around desaliniz

463
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:56,079
desalinization
approaches and and I think I think it's

464
00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:59,200
just a matter of coming up with
something that's you know there's some

465
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:04,079
really interesting ideas but making it
scalable and cost effective. I think

466
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:08,960
it's coming
>> councelor Connors thank you. Uh so just

467
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,960
going back to the slide on the the four
lakes that were identified

468
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:17,200
» can you tell me a bit more about Vans
Bzansen and Kenach and why they kind of

469
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:23,839
didn't make the grade?
>> Yeah we uh well uh Bzansen is also a

470
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:29,280
potential source but uh we didn't do any
field testing on that. We were unable to

471
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:33,440
secure that whereas uh Henry Lake
there's surrounded by crown land so it's

472
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:38,640
very easy to get in to do that. Right.
Okay. And that that may be a future one.

473
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:43,599
Uh Von Lake there's a lot of development
around that right now. So that could be

474
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:49,920
future and it is small as well.
>> Yeah. Canot.

475
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:55,760
» Exactly. So we just try to look at four
potential three possibly. Then we we

476
00:35:53,119 --> 00:36:02,160
agreed to look at two. Uh canot lake
that may be a possibility. uh it's

477
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:06,400
pretty far out there and uh there'd be
some concerns maybe although the

478
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:10,320
landfall is managed very well and we
meet all the limits they'll say well if

479
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,760
it's downstream from the landfill
>> likely never a problem but

480
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:18,400
» a lot of it's just it's
>> it's quite a ways out but down the road

481
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:21,119
maybe we have to look at that right and
again that becomes with the asset

482
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:25,040
management planning
>> right on um thank you so just as a

483
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:29,520
secondary question to that so again
you're right I recall two lakes we had

484
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,800
chat two lakes and bazans was the second
one then right and correct so right now

485
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,119
you said that you've just not been able
to secure any field work or kind of have

486
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,800
that
>> happen we can do a theoretical one

487
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,359
because the baometric information that
we got was very close to the provincial

488
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:47,920
» right
>> but right now it it looks like a very

489
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:52,320
very good source from 2030 to60 if we
can manage the downstream flows right

490
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:55,920
» so Bzansen is is still in the running
>> that's right all those lakes could still

491
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:59,200
be considered in the future that's good
news that's even more even

492
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,839
» better.
>> Yeah, it's a good foundation right now

493
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,320
for sure.
>> Okay, thank you.

494
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:11,599
» More questions?
>> I have some.

495
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,240
» Um,
Hubert's dropped off the list.

496
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,200
» Yes,
>> we but we know we've talked a lot about

497
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:23,680
here about the importance of the Hubards
area and how we expect probably that's

498
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:29,200
probably going to be our fastest growing
community in the future. Now,

499
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:32,640
The proposed leg is actually on the very
extreme end of the municipality from

500
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,359
hovers.
>> Yeah.

501
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,720
» How are we going to overcome that
obstacle because I feel like it it's a

502
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,520
big one.
>> Yeah, that's a tough one cuz the the

503
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:50,000
best wells we found were from that from
that community there, 10 beaches and

504
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:54,560
even doing the testing around that there
was some concern and the owners

505
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:59,040
certainly weren't interested. And then
the study that was done by EXP in the

506
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:02,720
area that the the other lands on there
were all low yield and they felt that

507
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:09,119
the lakes couldn't support that which is
verified in an earlier CBCL report. So

508
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:13,359
other than salination maybe canot lake
is a solution for that the future with

509
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:16,480
the future study right that's still
quite a ways out right

510
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:22,000
» not sure
>> yeah I I feel like uh we have to have an

511
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:28,240
answer for that you know since you know
we're talk we can't very well as

512
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:33,680
decision makers defend a decision to
place water treatment on the opposite

513
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:37,760
end of the municipality from where the
week before we were talking that we

514
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:42,880
expect high growth.
>> So I think that we open it up us up to a

515
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,839
lot of criticism, don't you?
>> Yeah.

516
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:51,119
» Well, [laughter] so
>> no, that's fair enough. But it's just we

517
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:56,000
couldn't find a viable source I felt to
support more than a low growth area. I

518
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,200
mean, if there's individual developers
there that did find something outside of

519
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:04,960
that that could support what they're
proposing, great. But uh maybe the

520
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,760
solution maybe there's a lake on the HRM
side that's closer that can do that.

521
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,640
It's
>> right now this this seems like a sure

522
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:17,680
thing, right? We could do further
studies for that area. I feel like and

523
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:23,680
maybe we'll have end up with two plants
because our our municipality is broad

524
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:28,320
» for sure and that's fine but I I don't
feel like we can

525
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:31,520
» just uh say okay we found one and and
dust off our hands and walk away from

526
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,800
this project because
>> this is of critical importance and I

527
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,079
think at the same time we're talking
about this we're also entertaining the

528
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:43,200
discussion about bringing eventually a
sewer in into Hubards and that's going

529
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,079
to drive more development
>> and So, we're going to need water there.

530
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:50,720
» Yeah,
>> it it's crucial. It's uh So, this

531
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:54,720
project cannot be completed without a
solution for

532
00:39:51,200 --> 00:40:00,079
» Huburns. No, fair enough.
>> I think I think that uh the the growth

533
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,240
strategy is planning on coming back. EXP
is pl we're planning on bringing EXP

534
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:10,720
back to talk about the growth strategy,
the two the high um the high density

535
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:16,560
scenario and the lower density scenario.
Um and so that I think is coming back to

536
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:20,880
the table for discussion of uh what
direction do we want to go and where do

537
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:26,320
we what's the next step for that is is
it further water study and and what does

538
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:30,400
that look like? Um but I think that
that's still got to come back. The the

539
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:34,480
last report and I don't think you were
um at the table for the the discussion.

540
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:41,119
And the report did come back talking
about uh where we were and that right

541
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:47,359
now um from the findings so far has been
uh there's only enough uh water there

542
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:50,560
for the low low growth scenario. And so
I think we need to bring that report

543
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:54,560
back and and say what does that mean and
what does that look like? Um kind of

544
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,440
remind you of what what the low growth
scenario is. What does it mean for

545
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,079
density? What does it actually mean for
growth? It doesn't mean no growth. It

546
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,920
means lower than the high density. And I
think we just need to bring that back

547
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:11,040
for discussion.
>> I guess this and and I'll but I will

548
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:14,880
just say that you know whether we say
it's low growth or high growth or

549
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:19,280
whatever or or we have water for one
scenario or another the growth is going

550
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:23,839
to happen. I think anecdotally we know
that that that's where it's going to be.

551
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:31,599
HRM is growing out to us and that's
where we intersect with that with that

552
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:37,200
» um that growth. So, um, you know, we
can't we can't hide from this problem.

553
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:41,119
We have to solve this problem, I feel.
Councelor Connors,

554
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:48,960
» thank you. So, a few weeks ago, we
chatted about um the Huberts community

555
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:51,920
and a location, an additional location
where you were going to go and check, I

556
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,720
think. Was that not brought to the
table? I'm trying to remember.

557
00:41:52,960 --> 00:42:00,480
» Yeah, that was by 10 beaches. We looked
at an area that would be 500 m away,

558
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:04,319
» right? And that costs like a hundred or
sound and some thousand just to get

559
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,839
their
>> okay

560
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,839
» the well in there.
>> Okay. And at that distance away, like

561
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:14,880
looking at some of the other residential
wells, it was low again. Like they they

562
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:19,520
kind of have this unique little spot
there, right? Whether there's others,

563
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:24,319
but we could look closer, but they were
not in favor of that. And that there is

564
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:29,280
risk there, right? We what if we
compromise that or even if we were

565
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:34,560
servicing everybody through that water
main break takes out those, you know,

566
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:40,160
communities pretty quick. But that's a
risk with anything. But it

567
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:45,760
we felt for what the
the reward was the risk was too high and

568
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:49,520
talking to the owner they felt the same.
>> I don't think we need to drag it any

569
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,760
further.
>> Okay. Yeah, we have uh councelor Cooland

570
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,960
here.
>> Just to follow up on Tina, I I

571
00:42:53,119 --> 00:43:01,359
appreciate you, you know, asking and and
speaking to that owner about water

572
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,400
potential. Um Solers Lake is completely
an HRM, is it not?

573
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:07,920
is
>> I'd have to look at the map.

574
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,960
» We have a small little piece of it.
>> We do.

575
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:15,520
» Yeah. They looked at Soler and Nether
Lake for the study that they did a

576
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,119
number about 10 years ago and they felt
that wasn't enough.

577
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,960
» Okay.
>> Right. But maybe there's one further

578
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,880
out. I mean, if you
>> I mean,

579
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:27,839
» probably worth chasing good water.
Right. I mean, not to jump in on you,

580
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:32,160
uh, councelor Con uh, councelor Coolen,
but, um,

581
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:36,400
» you know, if we're if we're looking at a
two source solution, maybe maybe we

582
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,200
won't need as much demand.
>> Yeah.

583
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:43,119
» I just somehow if we can circle back
because we

584
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,240
don't want to belabor it, but
>> there's no solution until we service

585
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,280
hovers.
>> Yeah.

586
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:52,640
» Okay. So, that's I I don't know. That's
my perspective. I

587
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,720
» Yeah. Multiple plants can be under the
same utility. Absolutely.

588
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,280
» Yeah.
>> Thank you.

589
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:05,200
» I had a couple of other little things
that I wanted to chat quickly about. Um

590
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,200
the report or at least a preliminary
report. This is a good update. Thank

591
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,520
you.
>> Yeah.

592
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:13,440
» But are we when do you expect that we'll
see something? It'd be nice to see like

593
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:17,520
like a map and how you expect to lay
this out. Anything like just so that we

594
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,160
have a little more
>> progress. Really get to some good

595
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,560
questions.
>> Yeah. Exactly. We haven't really settled

596
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:29,119
on the appropriate rooting in that.
We're working on that. There is an

597
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:32,880
interimm report that I was able to get
going for this report to give everybody

598
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:36,480
an idea because we have more money to
spend and how should we spend that

599
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,440
wisely. But I'll turn that over to Kyle
and Maggie. They're the experts.

600
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:43,040
» Yeah. So, as Fred mentioned, right now
our current schedule is finishing up

601
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:46,160
early fall. So, we agreed with Chester
early on to kind of finish our field

602
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,599
logging around the end of August, try
and capture that low flow period for a

603
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,800
second time. And then our intent would
be to leave that in. It's just basically

604
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:56,640
a pipe with a level logger that can be
used for future work and then it can be

605
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,280
checked. We pull the data, do our final
report and have that probably in

606
00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:01,440
October.
>> So we'll see you in October.

607
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,640
» Yes, good.
>> We'll be back again. And as Fred

608
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:07,599
mentioned, there is an interim report
and there's been some other sketches. So

609
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:11,119
if there's requests along the way before
that of like a map or a figure, um,

610
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:15,040
we're happy to share that in advance. We
have a good baometric map that will

611
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:20,400
» we shared with you so we can kind of
send it as it comes along. I'm a bit um

612
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:24,400
if I'm honest I'm a bit surprised the
cost projection seems a little low. I

613
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:29,359
know it seems like a big number but it
does seem low as uh in 2018 I think we

614
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:33,440
undertook some work here just looking at
a local lake that that that lake turned

615
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:38,400
out not to be adequate.
>> Um and the but the distribution network

616
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:42,880
that at the time that was under
consideration was smaller as well

617
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:47,599
» and I think the projections for those
costs were in the like 60 million range.

618
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:53,200
So um
>> a project cost of like say 80 million

619
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:55,520
here for a broader network. Uh I I find
that surprising.

620
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,599
» It didn't include the distribution
network that was strictly transmission.

621
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:03,520
So it was basically a large trunk pipe
to the extents of the main hubs. The

622
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:07,040
local streets, you know, connections
that was not included.

623
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,880
» So it just bringing the big main correct
10 in or whatever you're going to put

624
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:10,240
through.
>> Exactly.

625
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,640
» All right.
>> The local distribution networks weren't

626
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,640
included. Well, actually that's why it's
based on demand and we can have a harder

627
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:21,040
look on that which is what will help
which was proposed with communication

628
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:24,960
with residents and developers. Who's up
who's up for this? Who's interested?

629
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,560
» Do you do you foresee like because it's
kind of a long reach to get to some of

630
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,520
these that you expect they're going to
have boosters or something to try keep

631
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,560
pushing it along?
>> I fully expect I think in our cost

632
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,839
estimate we allowed for a couple storage
tanks and at least you know two PRV

633
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,440
booster station type setups.
>> Okay. So I think just with there's a bit

634
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,800
of a topographical gradient along the
highway 12 and then a couple others

635
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:49,920
throughout the town. So those would be
ideal spots for for tanks.

636
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:54,400
» As part of this study, you know, is our
on the administrative side, are we

637
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:59,680
looking at um you know how we're going
to set up the cost recovery model and

638
00:46:57,359 --> 00:47:02,720
like anything in terms of how to set up
the utility? Are we thinking about

639
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:08,560
bringing
>> the sew our sewers into that utility and

640
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:11,599
making one Chester water style utility
that has everything all in in one thing

641
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,640
or or
>> Yeah, that would be a future

642
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:19,119
consideration for sure because there's
also storm water roads, all that stuff,

643
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,960
right? that I think that's the way many
municipalities are going to try to bring

644
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:26,480
all the utilities into one place and you
know I feel like

645
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,400
» it's something we should probably be
looking at

646
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:36,240
» you know as part of this work because
there's a big administrative component

647
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:43,440
to this if we proceed and the the
biggest concern well not concern the the

648
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:47,920
biggest unknown I would say as part of a
joint utility is whether or not we get

649
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,920
Jclass roads And that's a future
discussion. I know they're looking at

650
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:54,240
that right now.
>> Well, we can only Yeah, we can only work

651
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,000
with what we know for now.
>> And right now, we know Henry Lake is

652
00:47:56,319 --> 00:48:00,960
looking good. So, we're trying to find
out more of that.

653
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:07,440
» Well, it's a starting point.
>> I for one, I'm really happy that we

654
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:12,400
found a a viable water supply.
>> Sounds like it appears that way. Yeah.

655
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:13,839
know and uh there's an answer for a
partial answer.

656
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:18,480
» Yeah.
>> You know, but uh if there's any message

657
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:22,119
I hope you go away with is that we need
the whole answer.

658
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:31,319
» Councelor Kling, I see your lights on.
Is that just rem?

659
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,319
» I'll turn you off.

660
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:38,680
» Okay, that's it.
>> Thank you.

661
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:46,480
How's everybody's bladder doing?
All right, we'll take uh just a

662
01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:09,119
Okay, folks. We're back.
>> All right, so we're going to talk now

663
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:12,319
about uh the recreation facility
planning and uh we're going to get an

664
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:14,880
update. I guess
>> that's the [snorts] plan. Yep.

665
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,720
» Floor is yours.
>> Thank you, councelor Vino. Uh morning

666
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:21,040
everyone. Nice to see you all. Um yeah,
it's been a little bit since we've all

667
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,880
been together to talk about the
recreation facility project. So, we just

668
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:28,160
wanted to give you an update, do a bit
of a check-in. There's been a lot of

669
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:31,280
public facing activities over the last
few months as well. So, I wanted to make

670
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,640
sure you're all aware of those and then
just give you a sense of what to expect

671
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:39,520
in the short term as we kind of near the
end of this project as well. Uh Emily,

672
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:44,319
are you driving machines today?
>> Thank you. Okay, so as you know, uh

673
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:48,240
Stantech Architecture and Quantum
Recreation were chosen to lead this

674
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:54,640
process for us. So, we've been working
with them and they were tasked to

675
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:58,799
examine the options to replace the core
existing facilities that we know have

676
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:02,960
challenges in the community, but also to
examine the possibility for some other

677
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:06,319
amenities as well. And as we'll discuss
as we get into some of the community

678
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:09,599
engagement review, I think what has
happened is that uh the community

679
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:14,079
engagement has really refined our
thinking about some of the core pieces

680
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:18,240
that we need to think about, but also uh
added clarity and expanded our thinking

681
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:24,000
about some of those uh extra amenities
that we could be considering too. So uh

682
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:28,559
as part of this work, we piggybacked on
the investment strategy work that Hawk

683
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:32,079
was Hawk Communications was doing for us
and they hosted a series of focus groups

684
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:36,960
you all took part in. one of them, I
believe. Uh, and they helped develop a

685
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:40,319
core narrative for this project. And
what they determined with us was that

686
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:44,400
this wasn't just about a recreation
facility as a place for people to be

687
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:48,880
active, but also as an economic
centerpiece for our community, also for

688
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:53,760
at least to attract new families to our
community, and also to improve quality

689
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:58,000
of life and create social connections in
our community. So, from that was the

690
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:01,359
room to move campaign that you see on
the screen there. And the room to move

691
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:05,040
campaign really has become the calling
card and central identity of this

692
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:11,760
project as we've gone through it as
well. And what we've done is used that

693
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:17,200
uh campaign identity and built on top of
our existing platforms idea or notably

694
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:23,039
the engaged Chester platform the invest
platform to put out that public face the

695
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:27,920
the internet uh exposure of the project.
So just what you see on the next slide

696
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:33,039
there Emily is um just the results uh
from that engaged Chester uh site over

697
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,760
the last three months roughly uh just to
show some of the engagements that have

698
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:39,359
happened with the site. So people are
finding it, people are interacting with

699
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:44,319
it. So I'm pleased with the quantity of
of volume on that site. Additionally

700
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,680
though, and I've reported this to you
previously that early on in the process

701
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:51,599
in the fall, we actually went out and
visited eight recreation facilities

702
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:56,079
across the province as as steering
committee. Uh but more recently, just to

703
01:03:53,839 --> 01:04:00,640
be make sure you're aware, we visited uh
three administration buildings in the

704
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:03,280
province as well as a group of about 10
of us, staff representatives from

705
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:07,440
different departments plus the
consultation team. So we visited Kings,

706
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:11,599
Burwick, and Modal just to learn some
lessons from the experiences of some of

707
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:15,359
their newer builds that we've seen. And
you also, some of you took part in the

708
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:18,799
case study showcase that we hosted back
in March as well. So the purpose of that

709
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:23,039
was just to kind of highlight the state
of practice from recreation facilities

710
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:29,200
across Nova Scotia and across Canada as
well. So that brings us up to uh the

711
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:32,480
good intensive work that happened in
phase one of the community engagement.

712
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:36,960
This just a summary table just to give
you a sense of how much reach we had

713
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:41,200
with that and the activities that we uh
undertook. So we had the public survey

714
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:45,520
that reached about 500 folks. We had a
staff survey that about 40 folks took

715
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:49,200
part in. We had five focus groups that
we hosted across the municipality as

716
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:54,480
well and those were targeted at users,
stakeholders, um programmers,

717
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:58,079
instructors, those kinds of folks. Uh we
had two visioning sessions, one of which

718
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,880
council was involved with as well just
to define some of the goals of this

719
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,960
project and kind of the desired
activities that we cons could consider.

720
01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:09,359
We had three open houses in three
different locations as well and that was

721
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:13,200
public facing primarily. So everyone is
welcome to come to that and share again

722
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:17,200
desires uh from what they'd like to see
in the uh potential new facility. And

723
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:21,520
then lastly there I just noted that we
had a special meeting with leaders at

724
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:26,480
Wasoba First Nation as well just to
learn some of their um community and

725
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:32,400
cultural priorities too. So that was the
most intensive first phase of the uh

726
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:36,240
community engagement piece and from that
uh we learned some of the things that we

727
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:39,599
anticipated anyway certainly uh so some
of the things that you see in the RFP

728
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:43,520
and what we had asked for in the core
existing facility options considerations

729
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:46,799
and some of the additional amenities
they show up here as well in what we

730
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:50,799
learned from the community engagement.
But I also highlight that some of the

731
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:55,680
things that we didn't expect to see as
high priority as as uh we maybe went

732
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:59,520
into this thinking. So the emphasis on
social connection [clears throat] and

733
01:05:56,799 --> 01:06:02,880
gathering spaces um partnering
opportunities uh some of the

734
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:07,520
untraditional uses of recreation
facilities to showed up in community

735
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:11,359
engagement. So all of that work was
synthesized down into these themes. So

736
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:16,000
these are the things these are the
aspects of community life that we would

737
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:20,880
expect that we heard were important to
people. Then just next slide Emily those

738
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:24,240
were all then synthesized into these six
project goal areas. So I'll just pause

739
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:30,400
on these for a second because the idea
with these is that thoughtful design

740
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:34,319
should achieve these goals. So number
one there's the idea of bringing people

741
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:37,520
together. So how do we build kinship?
How do we build community? How do we

742
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:42,319
also make sure that people feel safe and
a sense of belonging in this space?

743
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:47,119
Supporting balanced health. So a place
that supports mind, body and spirit as

744
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:50,480
well. The third goal is there is
designing for change. So the idea behind

745
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:54,880
that is that we want to be able to
accommodate many different activities

746
01:06:53,359 --> 01:07:01,359
with the specific needs that those
activities have but also make sure that

747
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:05,200
the space is accessible in every uh form
of the definition of that word. So we

748
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:09,119
heard about accessibility, physical
accessibility

749
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:13,280
um uh but also financial accessibility,
affordability. So that came up often in

750
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:17,760
your in your talk as well. These spaces
also need to be flexible too and also

751
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:21,039
evolve over time. So the common example
of that is who knew about pickle ball

752
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:25,520
five, six, seven years ago but pickle
ball is a force in our recreation

753
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:29,680
planning now and so what will the next
pickle ball be? So we have to be mindful

754
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:34,000
of what are the what is the um what are
the needs of a community facility like

755
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:38,079
this in the future but we can't predict
everything too. So that brings us back

756
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:42,720
to the flexibility idea. The goal four
is attract and retain which ties

757
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:46,720
somewhat to the economic driver behind
this too. The idea is how do we attract

758
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:50,640
new families, professionals, businesses
into the community, but attract and

759
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:54,000
retain also speaks to how do we make
sure that people enjoy their time in

760
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:58,960
this space and want to come back
frequently. Goal five is the idea of

761
01:07:57,039 --> 01:08:03,039
going one step further. So people, the
community is looking for something that

762
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:06,640
is unique and that they can be proud of.
And then goal six is the stewardship of

763
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:10,880
the past, present, and future. So we
need to honor the past and the

764
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:14,480
foundation of recreation uh facilities
that have come before this point. know

765
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:19,920
who we are and make sure that that shows
up in the facility, but also be mindful

766
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:24,480
of how do we protect uh the health of
our future community uh but also we

767
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:28,799
don't burden them with uh undue
financial responsibilities too.

768
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:32,719
» So those are the goals that uh came out
of that first round of community

769
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:38,000
engagement and then I just want to spend
a little bit of time on the student

770
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:41,279
engagement. Um credit to the outreach
committee and particularly I'll I'll

771
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:45,199
note Amanda and Terry for their energy
behind this. But we set a really

772
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:48,640
ambitious student engagement target for
this. The goal was essentially to talk

773
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:53,440
to every student in the municipality if
we could. So what we did do or ended up

774
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:57,440
doing is we visited school six schools
uh so the five schools in the

775
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:00,640
municipality of Chester plus just over
the other side of the line primarily

776
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,759
because so many of those kids come in
this direction for the recreation

777
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:08,960
programming.
Uh we were able to reach students in

778
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:13,440
every grade from P to 12. Uh we spent
time in 35 classes between P to 8. So

779
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,040
just quick snapshot on what that looked
like. We went into those classrooms. We

780
01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:20,960
scheduled the times, worked with the
teachers and administration. We went in

781
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:25,359
those classrooms. We unfold a big piece
of paper on the floor and we invited the

782
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:30,960
kids to think like an architect and draw
the inside, the outside of a potential

783
01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:35,679
facility and or what recreation means to
them as well. I can give you one little

784
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:39,600
snapshot of that in a second. uh for the
older grades seven and above we actually

785
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:43,520
hosted guided facilitated conversations.
I'll give you a preview of that in a

786
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:49,920
second. So all told of about 1,200
students we were able to directly

787
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:53,600
connect with 930ish or so uh about 74%
which I was really pleased with. Like

788
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:58,080
that's like that's time in classroom
talking to kids and encouraging them to

789
01:09:55,440 --> 01:10:01,199
think about this space. Uh for the
student contest which I'll give you a

790
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:06,480
little bit more on in a second. We had
about 200 submissions to that were

791
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:10,640
either independent submissions uh or
submissions tied to curriculum. So

792
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:15,440
teachers took this up as well. And my
last stat there is the the multiplier.

793
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:19,840
This is not scientific in any way, but I
just wanted to flag that for every kid

794
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:23,840
that took that introductory sheet home
and uh or entered the contest, they

795
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:27,920
talked to a teacher, a parent, a
grandparent. So this is the idea that we

796
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:32,400
use the awareness created amongst the
schools to broaden the awareness of

797
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:37,120
those potential pro projects with all
citizenry.

798
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:41,840
That is not a scientific number. Um
that's just a screen grab of the uh

799
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:47,520
introductory contest video that was
produced. Uh credit to again Amanda and

800
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:50,960
Terry, but also we had three students
from Forest Heights who helped us out

801
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:54,320
with this. So Connor, Bryce, and Danny,
if you haven't seen this video, it was

802
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:59,040
really well done. It was done pro bono
by a professional uh video producer. Uh

803
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:04,159
it was really really well done. But also
what it did for us uh as the old

804
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:08,719
middle-aged guy going to his classes is
it opened the door for us to go and talk

805
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:12,800
to the kids. So Bryce and Danny became
the stars of the show and it wasn't

806
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:15,440
about me in any way. Right. So again is
how do we use how do we use the

807
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:19,120
influence and the leverage of these
kinds of tools to actually be able to

808
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:24,640
talk to our citizens.
Um so [clears throat] um just next piece

809
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:29,280
there. So these are just a screen grab
from the short video that we put out to

810
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:32,960
announce the contest winners. Uh we had
10 winners. All the prize money except

811
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:37,440
for a couple hundred dollars which the
the outreach budget supported was

812
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:40,560
supplied by seven businesses in the
community. So that's where the prize

813
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:44,320
money came from. If you're not aware,
every school, the six schools each

814
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:47,199
received $500 towards uh their
programming. And then each of the first,

815
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:52,080
second, and third winners, plus the
grand prize winner, received I think

816
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:55,280
between 75 and $125.
Uh if you haven't watched those videos,

817
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:59,120
they're worth watching. They're still on
Engaged Chester as well. And I just put

818
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:03,440
together a little montage for the social
media.

819
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:08,480
Uh this is just one representative uh
screen grab from the I have I did the

820
01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:13,440
math last night. I have almost two
football fields of murals. [laughter]

821
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:18,080
If you laid the paper end to end to end,
it's about 525 ft, I think the math

822
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:21,440
said. So, we have a lot uh and we
actually but we actually took the time

823
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:24,719
to try to go through it and pull the
themes out that we saw. So, we actually

824
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,000
did a bit of analysis at the Sharet
session that we hosted talked about.

825
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:32,640
I've gone through it. Amelia from
Stantech has gone through it. So, what

826
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:36,480
that netted for us is a different set of
perspectives that the youth brought to

827
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:40,400
it. One of the things I think is really
really key though and just to note why

828
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:45,600
student engagement is so important is
that students young people see the world

829
01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:51,040
through a different set of eyes than we
do and where they where the adults

830
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:56,480
typically focused on what will I do in
this potential facility. Students more

831
01:12:54,000 --> 01:13:01,040
focus on who will I be with in this
potential facility? What will my

832
01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:06,800
experience be? How will I s have a sense
of belonging? So, I pulled that uh one

833
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:11,679
uh image off of the murals just to
highlight the I'll call it the unusual

834
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:15,280
stuff, the stuff you may not necessarily
expect to see showing up at a rec

835
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:21,360
discussion. So, if you can't pick that
out, uh the the the booth in the back

836
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:26,719
there is a charity food store uh so that
everyone can be supported in their

837
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:31,679
community. In the front is uh skate
roller skates with a older cyst and a

838
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:37,199
younger cyst uh in the front. And then
one that gets me is the picture on the

839
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:42,960
uh right side there, which is very
distinctly a child sitting in a seat

840
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:47,520
with their uh uh you know wrapping their
knees up close to them and the caption

841
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:51,920
next to it is the overwhelm corner. So
this idea of neurode diverency showed up

842
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:56,159
in all of our discussions a whole lot
more than I might have expected. So and

843
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:59,600
there's a pride flag on the top there as
well. So the conclusion here is kids are

844
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:03,199
awesome and they think differently than
than the adult than adults sometimes. So

845
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:06,159
I just wanted to pick that one out again
just to say like people are seeing this

846
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:10,400
not just as a place that I'm going to go
do something place that I want to be in

847
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:14,239
as well.
Um these are just to give you a sense of

848
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:20,880
what we do with the older grades seven
eight and above. Um so we did I think 12

849
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:24,880
classes in uh two of the schools. And so
the questions here is what do you want

850
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:28,640
what activities would you like to do?
What would make this feel like a center

851
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:33,679
for you, not just older people or
younger kids? And then third question is

852
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:37,280
what's fun to you? So this netted us a
whole lot of great information as well.

853
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:41,840
I actually threw all these pictures into
AI and AI actually did the the synthesis

854
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:47,120
of that for me. So we pulled a lot of
information out of this for us. Um so

855
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:50,640
some of the stuff that we heard from
again quote unquote the adults shows up

856
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:58,800
in this list too. But I just wanted to
highlight again kids emphasized uh

857
01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:04,560
spaces for fun, spaces for social uh
gathering, entertainment space uh and

858
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:09,679
spaces to be with friends and family and
to be able to enjoy freely chosen

859
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:14,560
unstructured uh program activities that
benefit themselves and their community,

860
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:17,760
which is essentially the definition of
recreation. Classically, that's the

861
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:21,280
definition of recreation. So that was
heartening to me in this field to be

862
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:26,640
able to see the kids seeing themselves
in this kind of space. So that's the uh

863
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:30,719
phase one, the totality of the phase one
community engagement. We've just

864
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:36,159
completed phase two. Phase two is
focused on reconnecting with users,

865
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:41,199
instructors, programmers, uh operators.
Uh and the format for that was a design

866
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:45,040
sharet session that we hosted uh at
forest site. So we had 22 folks in the

867
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:49,760
room that day broke into different
groups and the task that they were given

868
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:53,920
was to take the programming blocks that
had been kind of defined through the

869
01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:58,480
first phase and start to put them
together uh and think about proximity

870
01:15:56,719 --> 01:16:02,880
and how those programming blocks
interact with each other as well. My

871
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:07,360
observation I didn't take part in the
tables a couple of folks in this room

872
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:11,840
did. um you can back me up or not, but
what I noticed observing was that it was

873
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:17,600
really hard to do.
>> Uh it was a challenge to think about how

874
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:20,800
does this all work together and but what
I also saw as I think is that once there

875
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:25,440
was a starting point and the
conversation began to flow of the

876
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:30,400
tables, people got to an interesting
place, an interesting conclusion, but

877
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:35,520
every table and I did another mini right
yesterday with another smaller group.

878
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:40,159
every single table the results look
different. So what that illustrates to

879
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:43,600
me is that you can't just pull these
things out of a magazine or a book.

880
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:46,640
There's no template you can just say
because they have to be born out of

881
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:50,239
community. And that's what we've been
trying to do and build towards here.

882
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:55,600
It's like build the narrative for this
potential facility from the experiences

883
01:16:52,640 --> 01:17:00,000
and the expectations of community. So
that's the phase two um work that we

884
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:04,400
just completed.
Uh so just next steps then so all that

885
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:07,120
work uh and I've seen some previews of
this already and we'll be bringing this

886
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:10,640
to the steering committee in the next
couple weeks. We're just scheduling that

887
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:15,840
meeting but uh next step is to bring
adjacency diagrams to the committee. Uh

888
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:20,480
so adjacency diagrams are basically how
do the different pieces relate to each

889
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:24,320
other? How do they fit into bubbles? Um
and then how do they actually interact

890
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:28,480
with each other as well? Where are the
connections or where are they not

891
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:32,239
connected? Those will also turn into
kind of conceptual block diagrams. And

892
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:37,679
we've talked about I used the language
in the report of minimal, maximal, and

893
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:42,400
hybrid in the middle there. My easier
way of thinking about that is small,

894
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:45,280
medium, and large. Um, so small meaning,
you know, what are the core things that

895
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:49,120
we've asked Stantech to consider, the
existing facilities that we need to

896
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:52,719
replace. Large would be more of the what
are all the great things that the

897
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:57,440
communities dreamt of. And then the
medium is like what somewhere in between

898
01:17:55,440 --> 01:18:01,360
where where can we where can we get the
most bang for the buck. I'll put it that

899
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:05,760
way. Understanding we maybe we can't
afford it all. That's that's the you

900
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:10,719
know we all understand that. But we also
want to strive for the most that we can

901
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:13,840
try to achieve. So um once that's
further refined through the steering

902
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:17,920
committee, we'll take some of those out
those ideas those concepts back out to

903
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:23,360
phase three of community engagement.
again engaging public users stakeholders

904
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:28,000
and kind of test those concepts. The
refinement of those concepts will then

905
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:31,760
go back into the stand team which
includes the engineers, the analysts,

906
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:35,199
the cost evaluators and the full list
that I have on the screen there which

907
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:39,440
essentially is the deliverables that
we've asked for early on in this process

908
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:43,280
will be what comes back to the steering
committee for consideration. uh and I'm

909
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:47,040
sure the steering committee will want to
make a recommendation to council, but

910
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:51,840
ultimately council will see all that
information uh and be able to give us

911
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:56,000
direction on how to proceed. One last
reminder, uh you know, council

912
01:18:54,159 --> 01:19:01,360
thankfully is committed to this process
and seeing this through, but we you have

913
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:05,360
not committed uh to future spending. So,
still just to say we've always used the

914
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:09,360
language of potential facility and
possible facility. So, we don't know the

915
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:12,880
outcome of this, but my goal in this
position is to bring back And I've said

916
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:16,880
this to all of you and individually as
well, like I want to make sure that I

917
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:21,360
bring back to you all the information
you need to answer any question you

918
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:26,480
might have. So, we're still working
towards that. That's the goal and that's

919
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:30,880
what we expect to do. So, October uh I
hope expect uh to see that report uh

920
01:19:29,679 --> 01:19:34,640
going through the committee and coming
back to council as well. At that time,

921
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:39,040
you'll be able to give us some more
direction. So, that's where we are. Uh,

922
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:42,440
happy to answer any questions you might
have, comments,

923
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:52,320
» councelor Connors.
>> Thank you. Yay. Um,

924
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:54,480
» and thanks for the real reminder that
kids are awesome.

925
01:19:53,440 --> 01:20:01,360
» Y
>> and that they are more awesome than some

926
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:04,719
of us that are stuck in our traditional
thinking

927
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:07,920
» why we're doing stuff, right? because
that's was a reminder for me like why am

928
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:11,040
I doing this? Why am I thinking about
it?

929
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:13,040
» Yeah, kids are free thinkers.
>> Absolutely.

930
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:18,000
» And that's an important thing to infuse
into a process like this. Um someone

931
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:21,840
actually at the shared asked me at the
end of it like I'm going to paraphrase

932
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:24,800
the question, but the question was Gord
like how are you going to deliver on all

933
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:29,920
this? How are you managing the
expectations? Um you may have the same

934
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:35,040
question. Uh my answer to that person in
the moment was this especially when it

935
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:39,040
came to the kids. So, what I said at the
end of each of those 35 in-class

936
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:42,400
sessions was, "Thanks, kids. We're
scooting off to another class. Thanks,

937
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:46,480
kids. Thank you so much for all your
great ideas. And here's my last request

938
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:51,440
of you. I want you to remember the thing
that you drew on that big piece of paper

939
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:56,080
today. And if the first day you walk
into this possible new facility, what I

940
01:20:53,600 --> 01:21:00,000
want you to do is look around and I want
you to look for your inspiration, your

941
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:04,640
drawing somewhere in this building. It
won't look exactly like you drew it, but

942
01:21:02,159 --> 01:21:10,159
you'll be five, six, seven years older
by then. Uh, and hopefully they'll be

943
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:14,080
able to translate that drawing into that
little thing over there or that little

944
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:18,719
thing over there or that piece of art on
the wall or whatever it might be or that

945
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:26,560
overwhelm corner over there.
>> Um, second thing is um for me today uh

946
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:29,840
with the pre previous items on the
agenda

947
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:33,040
» talking specifically potable water
>> y

948
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:36,960
» this doesn't scare me anymore. Wow.
>> The pricing of this, right? Because

949
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:40,560
again,
why are we here in terms of municipal

950
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:45,040
kind of I'm thinking back to municipal
awareness week and the areas of

951
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:50,080
responsibility of uh municipal
government, water, sewer, recreation,

952
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:53,360
outdoor parks, all of that. Right. So,
so

953
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:57,760
strategic having it on the agenda with
potable water in my opinion. So, the

954
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:01,040
potable water piece can come back on the
same agenda in the fall

955
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:06,080
» and like similar timing. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

956
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:09,280
» Exactly. So, we're talking about
spending money, right? And the reasons

957
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:13,920
we're spending it. So,
>> yeah. And my job is not to to tell you

958
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:17,600
how to spend money. You know, that
that's your expectation. I mean, my but

959
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:21,199
I do want to bring back to you the
information that you need and with some

960
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:24,880
inspiration hopefully and a sound
rationale behind the hard decision

961
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:29,520
you'll need to make. Very realistic
about that.

962
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:36,480
» Last last comment. Um and again people I
I think it applies here. Um so when I

963
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:40,880
went to uh during accessibility week um
the first panel presentation over at

964
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:44,159
modal during that week and there was a
gentleman there and again I know we're

965
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:50,320
talking we were specifically talking
accessibility uh but the reference was

966
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:54,480
uh the cost of not doing something.
So for me I can apply that here the cost

967
01:22:52,639 --> 01:23:01,040
of not doing something. if I'm thinking
again of down the road and uh attracting

968
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:05,120
residents, attracting um business,
keeping residents, keeping all of that.

969
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:09,040
So again, I know that I'm going to be in
for a discussion in my community when it

970
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:12,639
comes back to the table around the
investment and I know councelor Asaf

971
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:17,120
have has specifically talked about costs
as well and to the taxpayer and so on,

972
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:23,040
but I think yeah, I think it's
important. Just on the accessibility

973
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:27,360
note, um Ellen uh attended the Shet
session with us and then I've also had

974
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:31,280
set her up with Amelia. We've had a
separate uh conversation just for Ellen

975
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:36,000
to
share with Amelia. Amelia, you've all

976
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:40,000
met the lead architect on this is a
professional in this world. She knows

977
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:45,679
this world, but we all learn when we put
ourselves in a position to learn, right?

978
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:48,239
Uh so just having a chat with Ellen uh
illuminated a whole bunch of different

979
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:51,679
things that we want to make sure are
front and center in the design and the

980
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:55,679
concepts that come forward and the
things that are non-negotiables

981
01:23:53,679 --> 01:24:00,960
essentially right in whichever the small
medium large we consider. Uh so that was

982
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:04,639
really a valuable um perspective to
bring squarely and explicitly into the

983
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:10,159
conversation and we'll continue to use
all to to help us out too.

984
01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:14,880
» Okay, we'll hear from that councelor
from district five. Thank you, Deputy

985
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:22,719
Wardina.
>> Uh just to build on what Tina said with

986
01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:27,600
this final report uh in October,
>> will will Tim or the financial

987
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:29,679
department be involved in this last
process?

988
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:35,520
» Yes. Yeah.
>> At a at a really high level.

989
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:39,040
» Uh I'd say lower than high uh would be
my desire and I'll take you some

990
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:43,920
» until we move forward a little further
and get a decision. This would be

991
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:48,000
conceptual I think at this point
>> but I think where your question might be

992
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:54,960
going is like if we are forecasting how
might we pay for this thing? Yes. uh you

993
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:59,280
know in considering uh grants funding uh
our own revenue or our own sources and

994
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:03,280
capital campaigns what what does the
math look like right so we have had to

995
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:07,120
sit down with Tim early on in this
process especially at budget time to

996
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:11,840
consider some of these things and as
some of that analysis gets done uh prior

997
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:16,000
to those concepts being fully flushed
out that's when Tim would come back into

998
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:19,280
the conversation and really think about
great idea Gourd how are we actually

999
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:23,040
going to do this and then bring that
information I I want all that

1000
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:25,679
information for me. It's critical
decision for me.

1001
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:29,120
» Yeah. No, we haven't lost sight of that.
That's for sure.

1002
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:34,239
» But we But just sorry, just to finish
the thought, but we don't have a exact

1003
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:39,199
number to say Tim, do do your thing now.
>> I appreciate that. And I I I trust our

1004
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:45,520
financial department.
>> Uh especially Tim. He's he's he's uh

1005
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:50,800
good with numbers and he's he does his
assumptions are pretty close. So,

1006
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:57,040
» uh thank you. address him to keep us on
track as well.

1007
01:25:54,000 --> 01:26:01,040
» Okay. Anything further?
Good update. Can't wait till October.

1008
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,880
Lots lots happening in October. It seems
like

1009
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,600
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Get ready.

1010
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:09,320
» Okay. Thanks for your attention
everyone.

1011
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:09,320
» Thank you.

1012
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:16,840
» Who's handling this update?
>> This is just

1013
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,080
stuff.

1014
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,760
No.
>> Well, we can chat.

1015
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:39,440
» This one is just to kind of give you an
update, tie up the loose end because

1016
01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:42,239
it's kind of been hanging out there as a
as a to-do.

1017
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:46,960
» Exactly. It's it's just one about
closing the loop and and but if there's

1018
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:52,320
if there's any interest in in pursuing
other avenues on it, we you know

1019
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:56,159
absolutely we can consider that but uh I
won't dwell on this too much. It should

1020
01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:00,560
be fairly straightforward but um so
you're you're all aware of what the Fure

1021
01:26:58,159 --> 01:27:03,840
Foundation is and as Terara said I just
want to get a sense of I want to revisit

1022
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:10,400
this because it's just been hanging
there with with no recent action. Um the

1023
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:15,280
so the foundation uh is particularly
interested in in initiatives around

1024
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:18,960
inclusiveness, rural economic growth and
sustainability that respond to the needs

1025
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:23,199
of communities and citizens and and
their scope, their scale is they want to

1026
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:28,320
see things that have a large social
impact that can be replicated throughout

1027
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:34,080
the province. Um, in that respect, the
Fulture Foundation is is more of a sort

1028
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:39,520
of incubator of of sort of ideas rather
than sort of a direct funer of any any

1029
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:44,560
kind of intensive program. Um, and any
projects that they support obviously

1030
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:49,600
must be uh demonstrate meet more than
one of the the foundation's objectives

1031
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:53,520
uh in respect to community impacts,
leverage funding from other levels of

1032
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:58,960
government, and build relationships for
ongoing collaboration.

1033
01:27:55,520 --> 01:28:06,480
Um the summary of discussion where we're
at uh so back in in the fall of 2024

1034
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:12,960
uh the foundation uh approached Warden
Weber and and our CEO about uh possible

1035
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:19,199
opportunity of investing an endowment
from the foundation in an initiative

1036
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:25,120
that would be similar to the Leah River
straight pipe project. That was the

1037
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:29,600
initial opening conversation bid. So in
November I brought to council some

1038
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:36,480
possible November 24th this is I brought
to council some possible program ideas.

1039
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:41,040
Uh and then I from that uh again uh Alan
Terra and I met with the foundation in

1040
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:44,960
January. In April we submitted a
proposal to the foundation. There was

1041
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:49,840
feedback on that proposal in a follow-up
meeting. And so we submitted a revised

1042
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:55,199
proposal on May 1st, 2025,
followed by a further meeting with the

1043
01:28:51,679 --> 01:29:02,239
foundation in June 2025. And at that
point, um, the foundation's response to

1044
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:06,159
those ideas in the proposal,
the well, they weren't dis they didn't

1045
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:10,080
dismiss them out of hand or or whatever.
It didn't express a disinterest, but

1046
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:15,520
they didn't seem excited by by those
proposals. And so their response and and

1047
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:20,960
rightly so was to sort of try and push
as well what could you do further to to

1048
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:26,560
advance those core ideas to to really
meet the mandate of the foundation. So

1049
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:31,120
that's kind of where we're at. Um what
our proposal focused on was related to

1050
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:36,239
initiatives to water and wastewater
services for residential properties. Um

1051
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:41,280
we were really trying to sort of pitch
the idea of or sort of focus on the idea

1052
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:45,040
of the community need for resilient
water and wastewater services and then

1053
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:49,520
attended sort of public health or
environmental protection concerns

1054
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:53,120
related to that in addition to uh
investment in in the local economy

1055
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:59,840
whether it's through contractors who can
provide those those those um uh

1056
01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:06,320
services. Uh so the proposal then we
submitted May 1st 2025 included uh three

1057
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:11,760
basic components. One was an investment
in our now up and running water supply

1058
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:16,400
and septic septic system upgrades
program. So this was at that point we

1059
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:22,639
were just finalizing this as an expanded
initiative um uh that would include

1060
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:28,320
septic that would inc increase the
financing available for for water

1061
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:33,440
upgrades and so on. And this seemed at
the time like a sort of suitable uh fit

1062
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:38,560
or a promising fit because it was that
financing model that the Fulture

1063
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:43,199
Foundation had adopted with the Lehave
River project. So, we thought this might

1064
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:47,520
be might might be a good to go.
>> Can I just jump in? I just want to jump

1065
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:51,280
in. I think part of the part of the key
part of the discussion we were having

1066
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:57,520
with them was that they really wanted
this this was an endowment fund. So it

1067
01:30:53,600 --> 01:31:02,480
was give us an initial uh injection of
cash to help support some of these

1068
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:06,639
projects with the idea that the program
whatever we did

1069
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:11,520
residents or whoever benefited from the
program would pay back that money in

1070
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:15,280
some way and then it would self- sustain
itself so that we could continue

1071
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:19,760
projects. We could continue. So it
wasn't a onetime like million dollar

1072
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:23,120
investment in a or a half million dollar
investment in a project and we take it,

1073
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:27,760
we spend it and we go away. They wanted
that. They wanted to see a program where

1074
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:31,520
that money came back to us, that half a
million dollar investment initially and

1075
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:35,760
then we were able to continue using
that. So that was the one of the key

1076
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,239
things that we had to design this
program.

1077
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:43,040
» Exactly. And that's why it seemed like
the the why the water and wastewater

1078
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:47,120
upgrade program would be because it's a
financing model that that that we could

1079
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:50,880
just okay
>> invest into this existing program that

1080
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:54,800
we're developing and and and we'd be off
to the races. So that was that was why

1081
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:59,520
that fit. The other two components were
were uh required a lot further

1082
01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:03,520
development but they was around a
community education and water quality

1083
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:08,719
testing program uh to enable residents
to sort of really understand the quality

1084
01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:11,760
and and quantity of water portable water
in their wells. And this would be done

1085
01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:18,239
through partnership with other
organizations. And this would sort of um

1086
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:21,360
uh help build on on some water survey
work that we' done with residents back

1087
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:25,520
in 2020.
Uh the other was a needs assessment,

1088
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:30,320
options analysis and implementation of
wastewater service options for the gold

1089
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:33,600
river area. Uh this is obviously as you
know part of council strategic

1090
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:39,679
priorities to do some to do a needs
assessment in that area. Uh but again

1091
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:42,960
there was no um at that point this was
just a sort of conceptual idea. Didn't

1092
01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:47,600
really have any meat to it in terms of
how that would work specifically in

1093
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:53,920
relation to this endowment financing
model. So at in that June 2025 meeting

1094
01:32:51,920 --> 01:33:00,800
with the foundation, their response to
our proposal was uh basically they

1095
01:32:57,199 --> 01:33:05,520
emphasized three key priorities. One was
uh number one and and they repeated this

1096
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:11,199
at great length was some form of first
nations involvement in a program. Um and

1097
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:16,400
so they cited uh the Atlantic First
Nations Water Authority as an excellent

1098
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:21,520
example and wondered whether there would
be an opportunity for something like

1099
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:29,520
that in in our own area. Um the other
one was uh sort of just sort of talking

1100
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:33,120
a little further about Terara alluded to
the even though that that endowment

1101
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:37,840
would be part of a broader program
potentially it would require specific

1102
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:41,920
management of that endowment funds quite
rightly um and this would require

1103
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:45,520
involvement from some foundation board
members to sort of form a specific

1104
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:51,199
committee. So there would be an extra
administrative layer to that for for us.

1105
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:57,360
Um so there would be sort of dedicated
process tracking and and uh repayment

1106
01:33:54,880 --> 01:34:02,080
sort of reinvestment of that of that
endowment as it was repaid. So so it

1107
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:07,120
required some particular sort of uh
administrative framework around it to

1108
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:10,320
ensure due diligence on their part. U so
that would be the other thing that was

1109
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:16,159
highlighted in the response. And then
thirdly, um they're very interested in

1110
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:20,400
in in specific performance targets.
Again, um if you're if they have an

1111
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:25,120
endowment, their return on investment
isn't necessarily monetary. Well, it's

1112
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:29,360
not monetary return on that endowment.
Obviously, they want that principle

1113
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:32,719
repaid, but it's on on that social and
capital returns on that investment. And

1114
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:36,080
so that's why that partic their
particular interest is in that. So in

1115
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:42,239
that respect they'd be wanting specific
data uh specific targets and by and

1116
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:46,800
large so for example the water and
wastewater uh upgrade program that is

1117
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:50,400
more of a reactive program. It's a
voluntary program. It's not that we're

1118
01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:55,040
going to say we will you know replace 50
people's wells in in a given month or

1119
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:59,199
something. That's not how that works. So
that's where that that's that's where it

1120
01:34:56,639 --> 01:35:04,400
ended. Um since then the Filure
Foundation has a new executive directory

1121
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:08,239
in place. Um if council is of interest,
we could certainly uh have a

1122
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:12,800
conversation just to say, "Okay, we
heard what we said. We're revisiting,

1123
01:35:10,719 --> 01:35:18,719
you know, where do we go from here? If
there is anywhere to go." Um

1124
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:23,840
my take right now given everything
that's uh that that we're doing um is

1125
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:28,960
that there doesn't appear to be an
immediate fit to this opportunity with

1126
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:33,120
the Fulture Foundation. Uh but I'm I'm
open to to any suggestions from from

1127
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:39,600
council if there's something we wish to
explore. If we do get into a full scale

1128
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:43,440
full scale water system, uh perhaps
there's an opportunity there we can we

1129
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:46,960
can explore. So it'd be worthwhile at
the very least what I would do is to

1130
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:51,520
have a conversation with the Filcher
Foundation just to um

1131
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:57,520
» council as
>> thank you. I I

1132
01:35:55,040 --> 01:36:01,600
it's exactly what you said. It doesn't
align with everything we're doing at

1133
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:07,320
this point. Well, I spend all this staff
time and it's crazy in my view.

1134
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:14,639
» Oh, warden.
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I [snorts]

1135
01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:19,120
mean, when Donnie Dan come down and
wanted to ask me if I wanted them to

1136
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:23,040
give us a hundred or a couple hundred
thousand dollars or a million dollars, I

1137
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:26,880
mean, sure, Don. Yeah. Okay. And you
know, and it seemed like a pretty simple

1138
01:36:24,719 --> 01:36:31,520
thing. It was just go do the wells, do
this, some some sewer upgrades, possible

1139
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:33,840
solar things, all this. And it all seems
simple, but it's been going on for years

1140
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:37,600
now.
>> And we've changed our plans dozens of

1141
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:42,719
times, and they keep changing what they
want. So, it's,

1142
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:46,960
you know, it's not the simple matter
that Donnie just wanted to give us some

1143
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:50,560
money and
doesn't seem like that anymore,

1144
01:36:48,607 --> 01:36:52,719
[laughter] you know, like to me. I mean,
we've been working on this for a couple

1145
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,800
years.
>> We have

1146
01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:58,080
» for nothing.
>> Yeah. So, I don't I don't see the sense.

1147
01:36:56,639 --> 01:37:02,320
I mean, I wouldn't write them off
because it is possible that we'll come

1148
01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:06,159
up with
the central water or something like

1149
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:09,679
that. It may work out and we may be able
to because we'll recover some of the

1150
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:13,600
money anyway. It works. But,
>> no, it would be worth a discussion to

1151
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:15,920
keep that lines of lines of uh uh
communication open.

1152
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:19,280
» Yeah. And then and then they're they're
wanting to get the Midmmont community

1153
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:25,800
involved. that [clears throat] that was
never the beginning. That's not how it

1154
01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:25,800
started. They don't pay taxes.

1155
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:35,840
» Thank you.
>> My comment is this. Um what I see here

1156
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:41,520
is an issue with trying to use this fund
for assistance to government. So what

1157
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:47,199
the the criteria they put in place is
that they'll loan the money essent or

1158
01:37:44,239 --> 01:37:51,920
give the money on the on the condition
that it's a cost recovery model and then

1159
01:37:49,679 --> 01:37:56,800
you take that money back and then
reinvest it into something else. We

1160
01:37:54,639 --> 01:38:01,520
don't need this sort of help when we set
up programs that are cost recovery.

1161
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:07,360
They we already get it back. We don't
need the capital to do that. we have

1162
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:11,199
enough money to do projects and then we
would not also then have all these other

1163
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:17,280
strings attached on how we then should
then use that recaptured monies. So I

1164
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:21,199
see this as a real structural flaw with
their methodology. I wish that that meth

1165
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:26,000
message could be sent back to them
because if they wish to advance money to

1166
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:31,840
municipalities to undergo good social
projects having this criteria really

1167
01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:37,760
makes it a barrier because we simply do
not need that in a cost recovery model.

1168
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:42,159
Um, you know, we do have, for example, a
community wells program, which I think

1169
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:47,760
is quite unique in our province and
would be in in theory a good candidate

1170
01:38:44,719 --> 01:38:52,000
if if if they would wish wish to help
fund that that we could expand the

1171
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:56,159
program, maybe even put one in Gold
River or New Russell where we have First

1172
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:59,159
Nations communities that may also face
dro.

1173
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:05,840
But if they insist on a cost recovery
model,

1174
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:09,760
um, well, one doesn't exist. And if we
put it in place, we wouldn't need their

1175
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:13,280
money anyway. We have enough money to
fund the program and then recover the

1176
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:18,000
money and then do what we want with it.
So this this criteria of having cost

1177
01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:22,560
recovery and then using the money and
having all these caveats, that basically

1178
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:28,199
makes a barrier that every single
municipality they approach will have.

1179
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:28,199
» In my view,

1180
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:36,480
Yeah, I'll just say that when when Don
first mentioned it, I mean, we we were

1181
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:40,239
only spending a very small amount of
money on community wells and things like

1182
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:46,000
that. So, I thought, well, if you give
me some, then we can double triple the

1183
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:49,280
amount of people we can help help fix,
but it's going nowhere.

1184
01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:56,800
» Yeah. I see that meeting some of their
other goals of of creating a unique or a

1185
01:39:52,719 --> 01:40:00,159
sort of innovative uh social uh program
that could be expanded throughout the

1186
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:03,679
province. I'm sure if this worked here
and we had good acceptance from the

1187
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:06,400
community, they could use it in Shelurn
or

1188
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:10,320
» in Veresse or wherever.
>> Yeah.

1189
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:14,639
» Um but um you know this this criteria of
cost recovery just ruins the whole

1190
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:18,000
principle of what they're trying to do.
And if we supply any message back to

1191
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:20,960
them, I think that has to be that.
>> Okay.

1192
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:24,000
» Oh, councelor Cooland
>> and cough recovery is their mandate.

1193
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:26,320
» It's Yes.
>> Yes. It's

1194
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:31,679
clear.
>> We have to then re re

1195
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:36,080
» reinvested in some social programs and
not just

1196
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:39,360
» two years later.
So the concepts have changed and they

1197
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:45,040
have like over the last two years it
started off at one initiative and now

1198
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:48,719
this they're they're
>> concept no I think their approach has

1199
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:53,119
been has been the same but it's just I
think as as as further information came

1200
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:57,840
on board from the foundation I think it
just didn't know when because that init

1201
01:40:56,000 --> 01:41:01,280
those proposals went to the foundation
board and so that was their feedback

1202
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:06,800
coming back to us is they just seem to
want to steer it towards those areas.

1203
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:12,320
Um, so it just didn't seem like, yeah,
as as one Weber mentioned, it this the

1204
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:17,600
initial the initiating conversation was
was seemed to be much simpler. Uh, but

1205
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:21,119
it has become more complex and not an
ideal fit right now. Anyway,

1206
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:25,119
» I'm quite curious like for if they
participated in the La Haven River

1207
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:29,600
cleanup project, any monies they
dispersed for that, you know, how how as

1208
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:33,600
they recover the cost from that program,
is the municipality of the district of

1209
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:38,239
Lunberg distributing the money into
other philanthropic projects. I'm I'm

1210
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:41,600
very curious what those would be. So my
understanding I I don't know the exact

1211
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:45,119
projects they're doing but they are
working they continue to work with the

1212
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:50,080
Fulture Foundation and that was part of
the the criteria was that there be sort

1213
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:55,440
of a subcommittee established of uh
municipal elected officials staff and

1214
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:59,600
and and Fulture Foundation
representatives who would steer those

1215
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:04,080
projects. And so some of the
administrative stuff and the data the

1216
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:10,320
requirement for um you know data
collection and um the administrative

1217
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:14,719
burden on what was was being asked was
great and for projects that we saw we

1218
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:19,840
were already we were already large in
large part doing right. So the the um

1219
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:24,159
septic well and lending pro the septic
and well lending program we were already

1220
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:28,480
doing that and so this was well how can
we fit that program into this because

1221
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:32,080
that's cost recovery model so that's the
best fit we have how do we fit that in

1222
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:37,119
and then it just became well that would
be for a project we're already doing

1223
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:40,560
much more administrative burden and so
that's kind of where we were

1224
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:46,800
» I mean is and the rule of thumb for for
seeking a grant for example is normally

1225
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:50,159
99% of the time you don't uh you don't
develop a project to pursue a grant,

1226
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:55,840
right? You have your project and then
you seek funding and so it's you just

1227
01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:58,880
make more work for yourself.
>> Yeah, enough's enough.

1228
01:42:57,119 --> 01:43:00,400
» Okay.
>> Okay.

1229
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:06,760
» Thanks for the update.
>> All right. Thank you all.

1230
01:43:03,679 --> 01:43:06,760
» All right.

1231
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:10,960
» Last one of the day [clears throat]
>> except for in

1232
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:15,679
» we have two in.
>> Yes, I should add that. Uh yeah, we

1233
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:20,000
guess we omitted that we had a couple of
in camera matters and hopefully

1234
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:26,239
so will of this committee that we can
enter into camera after this.

1235
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:29,520
Okay. So
>> solid waste fee discussion.

1236
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:32,400
» Yeah. So
>> welcome.

1237
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:40,960
» Thank you.
So I think um as probably council server

1238
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:46,800
aware we recently uh implemented the um
or have been implementing the revised

1239
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:50,400
uh fee schedule. So part of that is is
like some of the exemptions that were

1240
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:55,199
previously in there have sort of come
off just based on what was approved back

1241
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:59,280
in September. Just to very quickly go
back, this is sort of where we got to

1242
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:03,520
today when we brought this matter
forward back last September is that one

1243
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:09,679
of the main drivers for a lot of the
updates to the tip fee policy and tip

1244
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:13,920
fees at Kaiser is simply we couldn't
find an actual basis where council

1245
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:20,239
approved most of it. [clears throat]
So obviously there's an issue. So, a lot

1246
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:25,280
of it was tried to simply clean up that
that item and since the topic with the

1247
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:31,119
tip fee exemptions and who actually got
it sort of has come up again since it's

1248
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:37,119
been rolled out, uh went back again to
sort of take a look and and a number of

1249
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:41,600
the other exemptions beyond just simple
residential residual. Again, we can't

1250
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:48,400
find a basis for what the practice was
at the time. So

1251
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:52,639
basically with the fees the fee schedule
that was there that was I say mostly

1252
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:56,719
being followed uh the only exemption
that was provided for the weight was

1253
01:44:54,480 --> 01:45:01,600
residential residual waste. So basically
they're garbage. Um if you can go to the

1254
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:04,840
next slide.
So, and

1255
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:18,639
» so,
councelor Ray says, "No, I just

1256
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:23,443
I just saw this and it's was on Facebook
post that we had our fee structure or

1257
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:25,760
whatever, a new announcement
[clears throat]

1258
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:27,280
» and I read some of the comments and I I
guess maybe you're going to explain all

1259
01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:29,360
that."
>> That's why we're here today.

1260
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:32,400
» Yeah, that's why we're here today. So,
explain it.

1261
01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:37,040
» Thank you. So
what was what was uh put forward for

1262
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:42,800
council and what was approved at the
time is basically just codified the

1263
01:45:40,719 --> 01:45:47,199
residential
uh exemptions that were basically in

1264
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:52,320
practice at the time for residual waste.
We also sort of expanded slightly just

1265
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:58,000
to make clear that nonforprofits would
with certain uh limitations would have

1266
01:45:54,880 --> 01:46:03,360
the same same exemption. uh it was
extended to say mix C and D which seems

1267
01:46:00,639 --> 01:46:08,560
to be I think the primary source of the
discussion I'd say since then

1268
01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:12,639
um it wasn't technically on there
previously although as I understand that

1269
01:46:10,719 --> 01:46:18,320
seems to be that was the practice at the
time but again there was no basis or we

1270
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:25,520
couldn't find any evidence of a council
motion actually verifying that so

1271
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:29,679
so simply I guess the next one so with
that there's basically ally three

1272
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:35,920
options to proceed forward is basically
you leave it as it is or one of an

1273
01:46:33,119 --> 01:46:40,719
option of either direct us to go back
and prepare

1274
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:50,040
proposed amendment to add a exemption
for residential CND material or a list

1275
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:50,040
of items beyond with that as well.

1276
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:57,440
So just just so that it's clear for
council. So what I think has happened is

1277
01:46:55,440 --> 01:47:03,840
we brought the fee policy to you with
some updates and um and and we put some

1278
01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:08,000
new stuff in there and we posted it.
>> It some and when we did that we were

1279
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:14,480
saying that there was some stuff that in
practice we did not we did not see in

1280
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:18,960
policy. So we brought forth the policy a
council approved it and now we're

1281
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:24,880
implementing according to the policy
that was approved. It sounds like what

1282
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:30,000
we've learned is that there was some uh
practice where we were giving uh

1283
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:34,880
exemptions for residents for CN D waste
which was not in the old policy is not

1284
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:38,960
in the current policy but we were doing
in practice when we stopped doing that

1285
01:47:36,719 --> 01:47:43,360
in practice to follow the new approved
fee policy that's where the issues have

1286
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:46,960
come up. So we wanted to bring it back
just for discussion and to get some

1287
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:55,040
direction. Do you want us to come back
with a revised policy uh that would put

1288
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:58,960
that exemption into place or are we are
we correct in the way we're currently

1289
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:03,440
doing it with the current policy that
does not have that exemption for

1290
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:05,679
residents for the CN waste in
particular?

1291
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:09,280
» Warden Weber.
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't know which is

1292
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:14,320
best, but I I can say that I know well
that uh that we did not charge people

1293
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,719
necessarily,
>> right? And

1294
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:21,040
» I know we didn't.
>> We know. We know we did, too. But it was

1295
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:24,480
practice. It wasn't in policy.
>> Financial sense. That's what matters to

1296
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:28,320
me.
>> Yeah. So, we've been and and Scott and I

1297
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:33,600
talked about this. We've been doing
this. It hasn't been It's not a a huge

1298
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:36,239
our practice was to not do it. So, I
don't know that the impact is going to

1299
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:39,760
be there's going to be a financial
impact. It's not like we were charging

1300
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:42,480
the fee and we're going to be losing
that fee. We have not been charging the

1301
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:45,199
fee.
>> Yeah. Let's uh let's let's let these

1302
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:47,520
guys beat it around here.
>> Yep.

1303
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:52,800
» Councelor Cooling.
>> So, was the CND was it oversight? Was it

1304
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:56,000
an oversight? Not charging all the time.
Was it in there?

1305
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:58,800
» We're not sure if it was just
>> Yeah. It's been for decades.

1306
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:02,320
» It's been decades. Yeah.
>> Whatever reason it came in and it's that

1307
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:07,199
was the practice that's being followed.
How it got there other than council

1308
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:10,639
doesn't seem to have ever approved it. I
can't speak beyond that.

1309
01:49:08,719 --> 01:49:13,440
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Warden Weber.

1310
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:18,480
» Yeah. I can tell you in practice, it
seems to me based on my

1311
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:24,719
recollection,
if the homeowner brought it from his own

1312
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:30,239
property with his own truck, we didn't
charge them. But if if a a construction

1313
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:32,639
or if they hired somebody else, then it
was commercial. We figured we did charge

1314
01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:37,760
them.
>> And I think that's where some of the rub

1315
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:41,440
has been. It's been mostly contractors
acting on be

1316
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:44,960
» indicating they're acting on behalf.
house is supposed to be as if you

1317
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:47,199
brought it yourself. Yeah. Okay. We
won't charge you

1318
01:49:45,679 --> 01:49:51,480
» or they'll say they're a neighbor or
>> they're a neighbor or something.

1319
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:51,480
» Yeah.

1320
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:58,880
» Council church.
>> Thank you. Uh that's almost not a fair

1321
01:49:55,920 --> 01:50:04,719
practice because I don't have a truck
and it's my

1322
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:09,440
» it's my um woodshed that I'm tearing
down. So, I'm hiring a contractor.

1323
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:15,520
either the contractor is billing me for
it, which is okay, or

1324
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:19,040
you know, if there's no charge, then he
shouldn't be billing me for the tipping

1325
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:24,960
fee. What I'm saying, usually they would
put that on your bill to say landfill

1326
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:27,199
cost rather than being just trucking
cost.

1327
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:30,880
» I I would say that was a concern that
was raised when I first started. It was

1328
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:35,679
a bit of a gray area.
>> It is gray cuz I, you know, don't have a

1329
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:39,119
truck, so I'll need to take my shed to
the landfill. So, I don't know.

1330
01:50:37,119 --> 01:50:41,679
» Well, a lot of people if I just would
would go with the truck driver and

1331
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,000
they'd be the one.
>> Oh, well then I could do that.

1332
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:48,000
» You can borrow my truck.
>> I know. I just know people did.

1333
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:52,080
» Thanks.
>> Uh, councelor Connors.

1334
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:57,119
» Thank you. So, just to build on uh
councelor Church's uh in to build on

1335
01:50:55,040 --> 01:51:02,800
councelor Church's input in input.
Sorry.

1336
01:50:59,119 --> 01:51:09,520
» Sorry, Councelor ASF. I'm sorry. Um,
yeah. Not certainly uh not everyone has

1337
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:14,560
a vehicle that has that capability to uh
the bit the the vehicle to transport or

1338
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:20,239
a trailer to hook to my car, right? Um
and also too people and I know that I'm

1339
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:24,239
getting into too many levels here, but
not everybody can jump in with their

1340
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:27,600
truck driver and not everyone, you know,
maybe they have young kids at home,

1341
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:32,480
maybe they work shift work and so on. I
just think that it's important to work

1342
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:37,199
through this. And I think it's important
that we treat all

1343
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:40,239
property owners the same. Whether they
own a vehicle, whether they're a single

1344
01:51:38,639 --> 01:51:43,679
parent, whether they can jump in with
their truck driver or not. I get that

1345
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:47,840
it's a perfect world if that can happen.
I'm just saying.

1346
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:53,280
And again, it's a bit of a distance to
travel from the tip of Aspagan or inland

1347
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:56,639
in Aldersville. Um, and if I don't have
that time to jump in with my neighbor

1348
01:51:55,119 --> 01:51:59,520
who's trucking it, I just think we can
work through this. I do. I think it's

1349
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:04,719
important.
Thank you,

1350
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:09,760
» Council Breer. Thank you, Deputy Warden
Veno. Yeah, I agree. We need to work

1351
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:14,132
through this because this is a win for
us, but it should also be a win for the

1352
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:17,920
residents of our municipality.
[clears throat] And uh I did receive

1353
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:22,239
several calls on this exact topic over
the last year or so where the person

1354
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:25,520
couldn't go with the truck and ended up
paying double because they hired the

1355
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:29,920
truck to do it and then they hired to
dump it at the landfill or paid to dump

1356
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:34,320
it at the landfill. So there is some
challenges here. I'd like to see us work

1357
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:37,840
that the residents of Chester can have
this somehow that it works for them to

1358
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:40,880
their benefit,
>> but not contractors.

1359
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:45,360
» Not contractors. That's a different
story. Now, how we come up with that,

1360
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:48,880
I'm going to have to look at staff and
figure out the best possible way. And I

1361
01:52:47,599 --> 01:52:53,280
know that's tough.
>> I would suggest that maybe in option

1362
01:52:50,639 --> 01:52:58,239
four, we go back and take a take that
consideration

1363
01:52:54,880 --> 01:53:02,480
» to find a service avenue for residents
who may not have an access to the truck

1364
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:05,440
but may not have access to a contractor.
>> Council,

1365
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:10,880
» thank you. Yeah, that was actually my
question. I know when I go to out to the

1366
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:15,280
landfill, they ask for civic address.
>> Mhm. So if you if you get to the scale

1367
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:21,920
house and you know he asks you what's on
it and it's C and D

1368
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:26,159
if if the person who's taking it there
whether it's someone doing it for the

1369
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:31,679
neighbor in a truck if he gives them the
civic address would that work

1370
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:36,719
» with contractor
>> no but but I mean knowing no but what

1371
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:41,280
I'm saying if if it's a contract I don't
know how you know what I mean the

1372
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:46,000
contact wouldn't say my civic address is
or I mean I don't know it's for staff to

1373
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:50,880
figure out but I think that that's a you
know when you have to report your your

1374
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:55,280
civic address if I'm taking it for Tina
because she doesn't have a truck I said

1375
01:53:52,719 --> 01:54:00,400
this is Tina Connor's address it's her
civic number I mean we I think it's too

1376
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:04,880
loosey goosey so if we try to tighten it
up it may it may stop someone from doing

1377
01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:10,719
that because they know that there
eventually there may be some kind of a

1378
01:54:07,679 --> 01:54:14,000
vetting process to make sure Yeah,
>> you know, it's like putting a camera up

1379
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:18,080
with no film in it, but it's determined,
right? Just a thought.

1380
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:21,040
» Okay, I'm going to go with councelor
Cooland.

1381
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:24,000
» Well, it like in the past, of course,
we're going to do we're going to change

1382
01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:28,560
and have have new president moving
forward, but when uh Hurricane Dorian

1383
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:33,440
decided to flood my basement
>> and I lost everything in my basement, um

1384
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:38,000
we had to pay tipping fees even though
we assigned and told the gentleman who

1385
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:42,159
just had a trailer um that our civic
address. So civic addressing verbally

1386
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:46,080
would not work because you could put any
you could say any address, right? So it

1387
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:50,400
has to be some sort of control on that
end if that's the end if that's how

1388
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:54,480
we're going. But I mean just to say well
this this this load in the back actually

1389
01:54:52,639 --> 01:54:58,400
belongs to and give a civic address with
the municipality that's not enough of

1390
01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:01,280
assurance that that's not a truthful
conversation that's had at

1391
01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:06,960
» some form of verification.
>> There has to be I mean obviously I'm

1392
01:55:03,679 --> 01:55:10,239
just pointing that out. Thank you. Yeah,
>> councelor Brener.

1393
01:55:08,239 --> 01:55:13,520
» Thank you, Deputy Wooden Vino.
>> Let's make sure the scaler gets brought

1394
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:16,560
in on this discussion, too, because
that's the person that's going to take

1395
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:21,440
the brunt of the
>> unhappy people. And I think their input

1396
01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:24,800
on how they've been dealing or looking
or what they think

1397
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:29,679
» is very important
>> for certain. Anything we do beyond what

1398
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:32,239
practices now would have to be there has
to be an operational.

1399
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:35,760
» Yes, they they need to be
>> we have to look at that. can't impact

1400
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:39,599
them and also the customers because
there could be four or five people we

1401
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:45,599
don't spending 20 minutes.
>> Yeah. Or or become very on agreeable in

1402
01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:50,320
the sub. So yes, I I I really am worried
about this the scale or person being

1403
01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:55,920
made sure secure
>> clear and being brought into what they

1404
01:55:52,320 --> 01:56:00,320
say before we do anything. Thank you
>> councelor Connor.

1405
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:03,920
» Thank you.
>> Lots of exciting discussion here.

1406
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:09,679
Nothing gets everybody up like solid
waste.

1407
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:13,760
» So, uh, okay. I I know I'm a simple
thinker.

1408
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:18,560
» So, if I'm taking a load in to the scale
house and I say I'm Abdella ASF and I'm

1409
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:22,159
driving this truck and I'm bringing it
for Tina Connors and she lives at 7139

1410
01:56:20,719 --> 01:56:28,239
Highway 12. That's my civic number in
the world to the world. Um,

1411
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:31,440
cannot the scale host person
hit

1412
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:34,960
staff directory because you're all
connected. Staff directory and call the

1413
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:38,639
main municipal office and and maybe
they're not allowed. Call the staff

1414
01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:43,840
directory and say does Tina Connors live
at 7139 or is Zdella AS lying to me like

1415
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:48,480
are we not allowed to talk to each other
staff and find that out?

1416
01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:51,840
» I think I think through I I think we
could look up the directory but we have

1417
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:56,080
no idea if Tina has actually had to talk
to

1418
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:58,080
as if and actually has given him
authorization to take it.

1419
01:56:57,679 --> 01:57:02,440
» Oh,
>> that's the rub of it.

1420
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,440
» Oh,

1421
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:09,840
» okay. Council councelor Coolen here.
>> Thank you. I'm going to be very brief.

1422
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:14,239
Thank you, Scott, for your presentation
to Tom's point about, you know, all the

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onus now is on the scaler to be able to
have those conversations. Is there any

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type of potential signage prior to
pulling up to that knowing that the new

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tipping fees are now assigned instead of
you might verbalize it? It could be,

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okay, I'm driving into and I realize,
oh, there's my new tipping fees and then

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when he gets to the scaler, the scaler
would not have to do all the hard work

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that there could be some sort of
pre-signage leading up to his his point

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of work.
>> There has been a little bit of signage

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posted on at at the scale. We've also
did a little bit of uh information

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through our social media when this was
rolled out. So, there has been some

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information. I'd say that always gets to
everybody, but we've tried to take as

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much as the burn burn as we reasonably
can from the operator to

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. Councelor Asa.

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» Yeah. Just just Natina's example
uh and and people being truthful. Well,

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if if we were going to create policy on
people being truthful, we wouldn't have

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the we wouldn't have the water coupon
policy like because we we know we know

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there's abuse in every policy. But this
is pretty I mean you're not having 10

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people a day coming with C and D in
residential.

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I just think there's there's got to be a
way it look there's going to be there's

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going to be flaws in it. Absolutely. But
I think by just just, you know, saying

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that to the resident now, we're going to
change our policy and you have to pay a

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tipping fee. I don't think that's the
way to go. I think we need to leave the

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status quo in my view, but tweak it in a
way that we can verify to as much as we

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can and
and that's for staff to work out how to

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do that. Like that's what I'd be that's
what I'd be in favor of.

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» Okay. I I I've let you guys have a go at
it. I'm going to just jump in for a

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moment. It's okay.
>> Um

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so,
you know, my core business uh outside of

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uh my council duties as as an engineer
and um

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we have a company and I am a part owner
in that company. And when I have

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engineering done for me, I don't pay
very much for engineering because I own

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that company.
You know, we have a community of people

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that own a landfill together and when
they clean up their yards,

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I think that it's what I'm feeling from
the body language in this room is that

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there should be an expectation if you
own a landfill that you should be able

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to dump some of your waste probably for
a pretty good rate.

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» I think that is broadly speaking the
sentiment here. And I think that the

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average person that's a fisherman and
once every four years he's got some old

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traps that he needs to dispose of or um
every 5 years maybe they might do a

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project around their house and they have
a deck they tear off or something they

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need to get rid of some waste. I think
the cost to the municipality or the

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landfill operation for those efforts is
probably low probably in the noise level

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of the signal I would guess. Am I am I
right?

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» Yeah, I would say that that's fair. It's
not a it's not a major contributor to

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our inbound material. So,
>> but the the meaning to the owners of

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this landfill is massive.
>> Yeah.

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» Uh so we can't lose sight of that.
>> No.

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» So that if you're cleaning up your
property, you know that you as an owner

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of the landfill can go to your landfill
and dispose of some waste.

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» Yeah.
>> So then So Okay. So we have agreement on

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that. Good. Um, so then it's like, well
then this discussion of, well, do I take

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it or, you know, maybe maybe I have a
house and I have to hire somebody in a

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wheelchair. You know, I can't ride in a
truck and I can't do it myself. Should I

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have to then pay to dispose of my waste
at my landfill? Well, I think that's

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kind of maybe in my in my view maybe the
wrong way of looking at it. I think uh I

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think if we have caps on the volume
regardless of who brings it, you know,

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if somebody says my neighbor's bringing
it or I hire somebody to do it and

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there's a you know a reasonable cap
because you're taking the address, you

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know, when they come.
>> Yeah.

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» You know, if you're tearing a whole
house down, yeah, sure, you're going to

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have to charge something. But if it's
once every year or something, you clean

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up your yard and you've got a bunch of
junk and you take it,

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» that's probably not a big barrier
regardless of who takes it for you.

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» Yeah.
>> And I would see just forgetting about

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the who. It's rather the volume should
be limited. And then if we're below a

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certain amount, then that threshold,
then I feel like that would be in my

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view probably okay. Um I'm I'm open I'll
open that to discussion but that's just

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my thoughts on the matter at this point
and anybody can you know any part of

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that uh I welcome a challenge.
Okay. Um let's say councelor Brener.

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» Thank you Deputy Warden. That's the
exact two cases that I've had in the

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last few months where they just had a
truckload from once every four or five

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years and off they went. And I agree
with you. I think it's a win-win again.

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I'll say that. And I think we have to
give some encouragement so people don't

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dump their waste in the forest or up the
beach route or wherever they're going,

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which I don't want to see. But that's
what sometimes happens when we start to

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get too complicated and too
non-thoughtful of what we're actually

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doing well and giving some service to
win in the end.

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» Thank you.
>> I think also sometimes people feel like

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dis dis um disconnected.
>> Yeah. um they feel like the government,

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the municipal government is some foreign
object and they lose sight that this is

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we're just administering their assets.
>> And you know, we need to reinforce that

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» uh that sentiment that this is your
landfill. We're administering it on your

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behalf and these are some benefits as an
owner of this landfill you get. That's

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my view on it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like wood.

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» Oh, sorry. Let me get you turned on
here, Warren Weber. I hope you can hear

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me. Anyway, yeah, woods wood stomping is
one of the reasons the from my

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recollection is why we started to do
this in the first place is to keep

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people from just taking it and throwing
it in the woods.

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» I agree that the general public, our
citizens should be able to to continue

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to do this.
>> But I mean, you got to manage it in some

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fashion in
weight restriction and the pay after

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that that makes that makes sense. The
biggest problem I see is not having it

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abused by contractors who are bringing
it from somewhere else and just telling

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you they're bringing it from
Municipality of Chester.

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» For sure.
>> Yeah. So figuring out how to manage that

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is
>> Yeah. Cuz because that's why we were

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charging the contractors is because they
were who the hell know where they were

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getting their waste from and we didn't
want the valley people bringing it for

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free, you know.
>> So just figure out how to manage that.

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prior I know councelor uh Asa is ready
to go here but just is there a way

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because we we've been collecting data
for a long time we have the the weights

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and we you know on a sat like probably a
Saturday

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» would be like prime time to find out
what's happening there if we had an idea

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what the average tip was from an average
person that's just doing their work that

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would be really good information because
I have a feeling that amount of weight

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is not very much
>> and if we could just make sure that we

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just have a little buffer above that.
Then that might keep us from getting

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into commercial territory where
contractors are, you know, just every,

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you know, doing two or three decks a
week and and taking it in.

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» That's sort of been one of the ideas has
been going through my head as we've been

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chatting here, but certainly I I think
fair points all around. It's it's we

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want to find that balance that, you
know, certainly the residents have

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certainly have a stake in this and
certainly want to make sure they benefit

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from that reasonably, but also make sure
that

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to his point. It's like they're the ones
that actually gain benefit that's

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» from it in the end. So I think we can I
Yeah, I think we can find balance

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somewhere. We'll just
>> Yep.

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» Councelor,
>> thank you. I guess I I guess when you

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find that balance, I guess I How are we
going to pull back the messaging that

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02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:39,440
it's already out there? I guess it' be
my question. I don't know. Do we wait?

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» Yeah. So we we would we would have to
come back with a report to council. we

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would have to have a policy change in
there to clarify what it is, make sure

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that everybody understands what it is,
what we're approving or what you're

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02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:55,199
approving, and then um we would work
with communications with our comm's

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department to put that message out there
of

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» uh the change.
>> Yeah, because if I could

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02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:07,599
» when I read the the municipal post,
>> I wasn't sure when it I didn't see when

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it comes in effect or any of that jazz.
Was there was that

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» Yeah, there was an effective date.
There's a date on it.

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02:06:10,639 --> 02:06:14,639
» Yeah. April 1st.
>> It was

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02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:16,560
» Yeah. The fe the new feast year.
>> No, actually came in this year.

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» This year.
>> April 1st.

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02:06:18,719 --> 02:06:22,159
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:26,639
» Oh, so it's it's
>> been in effect. We only just really

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02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:31,679
formally rolled out that exemption piece
>> recently, but the the the approved fee

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02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:34,800
policy actually took kicked in as to
councelor Church's point April 1st this

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year. So
>> Okay. So change it.

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02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:41,360
» Okay. Councelor Church.
>> Yeah. Thank you. Uh yeah, I've heard it

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02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:47,280
was changed because I know somebody that
took something out. They were uh build.

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02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:50,719
So anyway, so are we going to have an
exemption until we fix this or will

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people have to pay?
>> Next question.

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02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:57,440
» I think I'm my based on the body
language here that I'm I think that our

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02:06:55,760 --> 02:07:01,920
recommendation to council should be to
to suspend the the absolutely the the

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02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:06,400
current practice of collecting fees
until the policy has all been updated.

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» We would bring that as a recommendation.
That would be my uh wish. Yeah.

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» So with that recommendation then I would
say it would for in terms of the

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direction just so we have it captured by
motion would be your opt the motion for

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02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:25,280
option two.
>> I don't think we do much. It'll be for

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02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:26,719
next week.
>> Next week. Yeah.

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02:07:26,239 --> 02:07:30,480
» Yep.
>> Yeah. But I mean I if I don't think if

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02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:34,079
staff started
>> suspending that I don't think anybody's

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02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:37,280
going to get mad at this table again.
>> Yeah. You need a motion.

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02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:40,719
» No
motions. [laughter]

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02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:44,599
» We're just here to talk about things.
>> I think we understand council.

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02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:53,840
» Good. I think you're doing a great job,
Scott. You brought a lot of

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02:07:51,119 --> 02:07:57,639
professionalism to your to this role.
>> Thank you. I appreciate that.

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02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:07,119
» All right. Well, I guess that's it for
this. Uh, we have to go in camera now.

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02:08:05,119 --> 02:08:12,639
» We have a
pending location and there's a personel

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02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:16,159
» against some sort. So, I'm just going
>> Yeah, I don't even know. So,

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02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:20,800
» you No, the committee can go in camera.
>> Okay. So, I guess that's the one motion

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02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:23,040
we'll do.
>> So,

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02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:26,480
» I'll move in camera.
>> Second that move.

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02:08:24,800 --> 02:08:28,560
» All right. Move and second. All in
favor?