1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:27,260 All right, it is now 7-03. I'm going to call this general meeting for August 17th, 2026 to order. Please stand for the pledge to, please pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 2 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,060 All right, thank you everyone. 3 00:00:32,460 --> 00:00:37,880 We didn't have an executive session that started at 6 p.m. to discuss matters of personnel 4 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,120 and potential litigation. 5 00:00:41,220 --> 00:00:43,120 All right, Darling, please perform roll call. 6 00:00:45,690 --> 00:00:51,550 Hi, I'm Arden from sacred act Natalie Young, Jonathan Muller, St. Peter Pettel, our 7 00:00:51,550 --> 00:00:52,390 for a couple of years. 8 00:00:59,890 --> 00:01:00,950 Thank you, darling. 9 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:03,950 All right, moving on to public comment. 10 00:01:05,930 --> 00:01:07,270 For once we have nobody. 11 00:01:07,610 --> 00:01:08,130 Seeing none. 12 00:01:09,210 --> 00:01:11,710 That's a great overweigh up, but she's not with it. 13 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:12,910 Of the way to the end. 14 00:01:13,750 --> 00:01:15,970 So, so the report, moving on to on a nut, I'm going to 15 00:01:15,970 --> 00:01:17,950 before Mr. Vol. 16 00:01:18,250 --> 00:01:18,510 Yeah. 17 00:01:18,750 --> 00:01:21,190 So, well, again, I mean, 18 00:01:21,190 --> 00:01:28,450 You think I get people doing big going on obviously is that we got your data 19 00:01:28,450 --> 00:01:32,810 send ordinance submitted to you. He's got the planning commissions. I think I 20 00:01:33,470 --> 00:01:37,250 I'm assuming most of you read it but it's dense and it's long but I figure I 21 00:01:37,250 --> 00:01:44,390 give you kind of a 10,000 foot overview of what it's doing so 22 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,920 obviously you guys 23 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,560 As I run the gun, you have to get this amended with regulations by the end of October. 24 00:01:55,980 --> 00:02:01,640 So it's going to go now, you're planning commission, and then it's going to go to the county as well for the review, so we're on track with it. 25 00:02:02,460 --> 00:02:13,620 It puts your data center allowance, if one were to be attempted to be constructed in the limited industrial district zone, which we felt was the most appropriate, right? 26 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,020 Largest parcels, farthest from residents is businesses, schools, playgrounds, etc. 27 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:27,660 And the bulk standards to use the terminology that are in that district already are pretty 28 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:28,140 big, right? 29 00:02:28,820 --> 00:02:32,120 You have a minimum of four acres that you can construct anything on. 30 00:02:32,460 --> 00:02:39,960 The setbacks from other properties is 110 feet, I think, on the rear and the side and 31 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,860 then the front yard's like a hundred and thirty, if I remember correctly, yeah, off the top 32 00:02:44,860 --> 00:02:45,180 of my head. 33 00:02:45,180 --> 00:02:54,040 So, you know, this being placed on this property is also going to be significantly far from other properties within the limited industrial district itself. 34 00:02:54,600 --> 00:03:01,680 The most restrictive part of this, and this is why we wrote it in this manner, is to really discourage applications to come in as that. 35 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:08,780 You need 10 acres of land in that district in order to build 100,000 square foot data center or larger. 36 00:03:08,780 --> 00:03:14,860 If you do want to have something less than a hundred thousand square feet as far as your building footprint goes 37 00:03:14,860 --> 00:03:20,380 Then you're going to default again to the industrial district's regulations, which again is for acres 38 00:03:20,380 --> 00:03:23,880 And then the setbacks and all the other things that go along with it 39 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:30,600 You can't have more than 75% of that lot also covered in building or in pervious coverage as well, so 40 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:38,280 It's very restrictive in that sense and I think I've said in a couple of meetings prior that right now the trend is bigger 41 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:45,320 bigger, bigger data centers, right? 100,000 square feet for them is like a small data center, 42 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:50,940 right? Because of the amount of servers and technology they have to pack in in order to put 43 00:03:50,940 --> 00:03:56,800 the output that they need to sell to the end user of the world. So you're on good ground there. 44 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,060 Again, we looked at your map, we looked at properties, and quite frankly, there's not even 10 acres 45 00:04:02,060 --> 00:04:17,640 available in that district right now so yeah so yeah it's in here so the next 46 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,840 point is of course that this isn't used by right this isn't used by a special 47 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:25,960 exception the zoning gear board if they do happen to cobble together 10 acres 48 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,160 of land to build their facility or something smaller with on four acres then 49 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:36,900 it's conditional use approval only which means you as the board get to run through the application 50 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:41,980 and ultimately give approval for them to have a data center at that property. Until your point 51 00:04:41,980 --> 00:04:50,220 Albert there are a series of engineered plans and energy use and water renewal, light, 52 00:04:51,020 --> 00:04:59,620 odors, noise, vibration reports, and other environmental electricity use. All of these reports 53 00:04:59,620 --> 00:05:03,380 that you wouldn't even have to usually provide until the land development phase. 54 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,560 They're all required as part of that condition to use application too. 55 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:12,300 So why that's so restrictive is that is forcing them to fully engineer 56 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:17,140 a building, a plan, and prove essentially that they have the right utilities. 57 00:05:17,420 --> 00:05:19,820 They have the right water resources. 58 00:05:20,260 --> 00:05:24,600 They have everything basically done and ready to go shovel ready 59 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,440 before they come to you for a conditional use application. 60 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,820 It's not normally the case, right, because use, when we're talking about, is it appropriate 61 00:05:32,820 --> 00:05:33,680 use of a land? 62 00:05:33,940 --> 00:05:38,020 And then you go to the second phase, land development, where you're hiring all that 63 00:05:38,020 --> 00:05:38,780 stuff out, right? 64 00:05:38,940 --> 00:05:44,080 The stormwater, the utilities, the landscaping, the buffering, the construction of the building, 65 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:46,160 the architectural resorts, all of that stuff. 66 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,380 But we're putting that all up front. 67 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,360 It's another means of discouraging someone because there is a tremendous sunk cost in preparing 68 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,200 all of those reports, engineering all those plans, designing the buildings all up front. 69 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,300 Especially if you see in a lot of the land use that, most larger properties by the 70 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:08,340 industrial or big residential tracks are commercial. They are acquired with those properties 71 00:06:08,340 --> 00:06:12,920 and they're acquiring them generally under equitable grounds so they don't own 72 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,420 titles of the property at that point but they put in the application and their purchase 73 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:22,080 of that property is generally contingent upon them getting the zoning approvals that they need. 74 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,820 So, you know, you can't essentially do that in this case either if you want to come in with a data center 75 00:06:27,820 --> 00:06:34,720 Because like you have to own the property because you're going to spend $100, 200,000 engineering a complete project, right? 76 00:06:35,340 --> 00:06:39,100 And you're not going to do that if you haven't even bought the property at this point, right? 77 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,600 So it's not a quick turnaround either. They have to go before the planning commission 78 00:06:43,180 --> 00:06:48,820 Typically, right before they would come to us and so there could be additional conditions required 79 00:06:53,600 --> 00:07:18,180 You could. Your grounds are narrow. Like you have to stick within the corners of your ordinance that they're supplying what you requested, and there's no really pertinent public self health safety and danger aspects to it or something that's a glaringly wrong with the project. Right. Like it's going to require a new road to be constructed and they don't propose to build a new road. Then your grounds deny the use are. 80 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:24,180 are thinner. Let's put it that way. But then again, they still have to come back for 81 00:07:24,180 --> 00:07:28,660 land development approval. Land development is a little bit different because they are 82 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,200 presumed and required to 100% comply with all the regulations in the land development 83 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,200 ordinance. If they don't comply with a single regulation, they can ask for a wafer from 84 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,960 that provision, but you as a board are under no legal obligation to grant it. So I say 85 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,640 all that because it's a lot easier to then turn down a land development if they don't have 86 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:53,260 other docs in the rep, so to speak. But conditional use, again, we're making it financially 87 00:07:53,260 --> 00:08:00,060 very difficult for them to sink the cost in the upfront, in order to do that, and you're 88 00:08:00,060 --> 00:08:05,000 severely restricting the potential parcels that are even available in some purchase in order 89 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,540 to launch this concept. To Natalie's point, too, this provision as soon as they put in an 90 00:08:10,540 --> 00:08:14,500 application, if the money would ever come in, that they're actually going to have to have 91 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:19,100 a series of public meetings to explain the project and walk through the details even before 92 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:25,520 it goes to the Planning Commission, which is an extra thing, right? 93 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,880 If you have a bunch of residents that are upset about this and the location that they 94 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,120 get to have their say immediately in the process as well, even before we start going through 95 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,440 our formal process, again as another means to dissuade anybody that's coming in to say there's 96 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,160 a huge public outcry for not having this thing here. 97 00:08:44,460 --> 00:08:47,000 Let's just walk away from this and find a different location. 98 00:08:48,660 --> 00:08:50,520 So some of the stuff is highly technical. 99 00:08:50,940 --> 00:08:52,420 I mean, to be honest, I'm not an engineer. 100 00:08:52,420 --> 00:08:54,280 I'm sure Mike understands some of the nuts 101 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,740 and bolts more than I would on, like, 102 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,840 how to dispose of wastewater properly 103 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,600 and why we're only allowing closed-loop systems. 104 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,900 But I will say that this was largely 105 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:05,280 modeled on the model ordinance that 106 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,340 was drafted by Chester County and Montgomery County 107 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:13,360 in coordination with each other. They have team of engineers and land planners and experts 108 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,080 on this thing for two years before they produced that report. They are looking at all 109 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,840 of the regulations across the nation as well and saying, okay, here are the ways to make 110 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,300 this as restrictive as possible as we know right now. So, it does represent one of the toughest 111 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:33,420 possible ordinances that you can put out on data centers. Other than that, I mean, there's 112 00:09:33,420 --> 00:09:37,660 violations, there's continual reporting obligations and inspections that have to occur. 113 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,520 They have to give you energy, use, they have to give you water, they have to give you electricity, 114 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,640 use reports like on an annual basis and allow you for inspection too, and if any of those 115 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,820 things are not in a line with the ordinance, you actually have some enforcement possibilities 116 00:09:51,820 --> 00:09:52,160 too. 117 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:58,340 So it's not like once it's approved, the land development is also gained and then they've 118 00:09:58,340 --> 00:10:01,860 constructed the thing that essentially you guys don't have any teeth to stop something that 119 00:10:01,860 --> 00:10:10,560 potentially causing harm. A lot of that will go into the noise levels because they do as a matter 120 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:17,760 of fact, this use creates a low-level hum, right? That is like lower than you would say your ordinary 121 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:24,500 decibel measurements for like a nuisance, but nonetheless it can be extremely irritating and annoying 122 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:31,700 and it runs constantly for neighbors and other property owners too. So again, strict decibel 123 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:36,520 levels, it's been accounted for, but if something is a functioning right or something is going wrong, 124 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:41,300 you guys don't have, in the normal sense, you don't have like anything after a land 125 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:44,840 about this but approved, but in under this ordinance, you have the ability to go back and force 126 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:51,120 them to make changes in order to correct these things as well. So, again, this is just the start of the 127 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,820 process. It goes to the Planning Commission, it goes to the County for lots of comments, potentially 128 00:10:55,820 --> 00:11:00,740 edits, but we wanted to get in front of you with enough time so that if you do have questions, 129 00:11:00,740 --> 00:11:06,180 read through and we can happily answer anything as the process goes, but I don't 130 00:11:06,180 --> 00:11:10,820 really expect that it will change. For the most part I think this is it, but you 131 00:11:10,820 --> 00:11:13,400 know there could be some minor alterations along the way they're suggested. 132 00:11:15,340 --> 00:11:16,020 That's what was being. 133 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:22,660 What do you mean benefit would they be to chase the height of our road if there is a 134 00:11:22,660 --> 00:11:31,680 within all this restrictive small one but it's the yeah so so to put back I 135 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:36,500 guess I don't put an American football reference on it Albert right like you 136 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:41,640 can't legally stop data centers because it's a lawful use it's not a 137 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,920 facility that manufactures cocaine right or something that's illegal right a 138 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,760 data center generates information electronically on servers and that's a 139 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,760 thing that is a lawful use that you can do on a property provided you have 140 00:11:54,760 --> 00:12:00,440 the zoning. So the only thing that all ordinances can do is contain it as much 141 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,480 as possible. So if a data center does want to come in and cobble together, you 142 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,840 know, the land that's necessary and follow all the regulations to a T, we've made 143 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,020 it as difficult for them as possible to get their approval, but if at the end of 144 00:12:13,020 --> 00:12:17,200 the day they comply with everything. The benefit of course is that you have a 145 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,660 productive use of a property, you have some jobs created, you have some 146 00:12:20,660 --> 00:12:24,620 construction that's happening so you've got fees and all kinds of contributions 147 00:12:24,620 --> 00:12:28,940 open space funds and you have another property that's on the tax rolls, right? 148 00:12:30,380 --> 00:12:35,580 So again we can't stop them, it's illegal to prohibit them but we can make it 149 00:12:36,940 --> 00:12:40,580 prohibitive for them to attempt to and if they do go through the process then it will 150 00:12:40,580 --> 00:12:44,020 be beneficial for the town or sorry the borough in that regard too. 151 00:12:44,020 --> 00:12:50,420 So to jump in on that, the two biggest arguments that I see being made in favor of them 152 00:12:50,420 --> 00:12:55,940 by the people trying to develop them are the job creation which is debatable and the 153 00:12:55,940 --> 00:12:59,380 taxes which depends upon your boroughs tax structure. 154 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:04,260 It's the post job creation is like none, right, because essentially one or two guys can 155 00:13:04,260 --> 00:13:09,820 come in and check on these things, but for the construction industry, for the unions obviously, 156 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,500 they are very pro data center because these are massive construction projects, right? 157 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:17,500 So you do have that ability the taxes is the biggest benefit for you 158 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:21,840 But it's just like any other industrial use right if we're talking about somebody that wanted to come in and 159 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:28,740 Manufacture paint or fiberglass or something like that. Is there a community benefit or what they're actually doing on the property? 160 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,960 No, but the creates jobs and it puts a property on the tax rolls 161 00:13:33,940 --> 00:13:42,260 Is there anything in the ordinance that would protect us if the county or the state worked 162 00:13:42,860 --> 00:13:51,800 and act some sort of rule or legislation on this issue that would have essentially an unfunded mandate that would affect us? 163 00:13:52,080 --> 00:14:00,560 So for example, if the county or the state decide that, you know, a fire company servicing the burrow 164 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:05,360 needed certain equipment? Is there anything we can do to protect ourselves? 165 00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:09,180 Like super seed? In this area, is that what you're saying? 166 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:14,100 Well, I mean, unfortunately, like any of the clean streams act or anything like that. 167 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:17,200 Like we're at the bottom of the chain as far as, you know, government goes. 168 00:14:17,580 --> 00:14:22,280 So, like we would be super seeded by any state regulation or federal regulation that's passed. 169 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:28,840 But in your very specific example, with fire equipment, right, every insurance company pays 170 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,620 into a fund at the state level each year. It's been like a tax on insurance 171 00:14:33,620 --> 00:14:37,840 companies, right? And those monies go to the state buyer fund, and that money 172 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,620 then is distributed for equipment and the things that they need. So if that 173 00:14:42,620 --> 00:14:46,480 would ever occur, right? And there's some kind of new pack or something that they 174 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,000 need to have like on themselves in the case of a fire, right? Like they would have 175 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,020 the monies pulled from the state in order to purchase that equipment. Just like 176 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:56,980 body, one of the cameras with police officers, right? 177 00:14:57,060 --> 00:14:57,640 It's the same thing. 178 00:14:58,060 --> 00:14:59,060 It was a fun down there. 179 00:14:59,220 --> 00:14:59,960 And it's like, you're a real... 180 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:29,180 Spout again, afford them on their own, like you just applied to the state and the state gives you the money through those funds, so. But we can't do anything preemptively in here to say, like, you're going to, you know, pay us X amount of money, you know, to cover any kind of these contingencies. Because again, it's zoning, it's a lawful use, and they're just saying like, you know, we have to allow it somewhere, and that's tough up with this concept, right? If it's a legal use, you can't prevent it anywhere in your burrow. 181 00:15:29,180 --> 00:15:33,260 So, you know, they're going to say, like, we have a lawful right to construct this. 182 00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:39,100 Like, we'll play by your rules, but, you know, you can't then, like, retroactively after we've built, 183 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:43,340 essentially, like, change the rules of the game, so to speak, if that makes sense. 184 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:52,700 But, again, up front when you're asking for conditions of approval, if that were to come, you could ask for a contribution, right? 185 00:15:52,700 --> 00:15:58,020 they can agree to it. So if you concern that it asks you need firefighting equipment or 186 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,800 EMS services or something like that, you could say like we also need you know a contribution 187 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:08,800 of $300,000 or a $30,000 your contribution to the fire company or the ambulance 188 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:15,080 or in order to cover any kind of contingencies and costs that they have. So they don't have to 189 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,780 agree to it, but they can always of course if they want their approval they can agree to it 190 00:16:22,210 --> 00:16:25,110 and they 191 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:29,090 I know it's dense, and I know it's pretty warm, right? 192 00:16:29,410 --> 00:16:31,070 But like again, we wanted to get in front of you, 193 00:16:31,150 --> 00:16:32,910 but if we have any other specific questions, 194 00:16:33,810 --> 00:16:35,490 I guess the other other thing to hit on 195 00:16:35,490 --> 00:16:38,090 that I didn't mention, right, is that if this thing, 196 00:16:38,270 --> 00:16:39,750 if one of these things ever gets constructed, 197 00:16:40,390 --> 00:16:42,710 and then for some reason it gets decommissioned 198 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:43,790 and they stop using it for, 199 00:16:44,190 --> 00:16:46,150 there are permissions in there essentially says 200 00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:48,710 you're remediating everything back to as it was 201 00:16:49,230 --> 00:16:51,790 before the property contained a data center. 202 00:16:52,270 --> 00:16:54,450 And during that process, you actually have to pay 203 00:16:54,450 --> 00:17:02,010 a escrow fund or a bond to the to the borough to secure all of the reviews and inspections 204 00:17:02,010 --> 00:17:07,130 that would go into that as well. So I say that because it's not like a data center 205 00:17:07,130 --> 00:17:11,470 comes in and then five years from now, which I'm assuming which will happen, you know, 206 00:17:11,650 --> 00:17:16,110 they're very large right now because of what they need as far as like servers go, but as 207 00:17:16,110 --> 00:17:20,350 everyone knows technology always gets smaller and more efficient. So, you know, they might 208 00:17:20,350 --> 00:17:23,990 say like, we only need 20,000 square feet to accomplish what we used to in a hundred 209 00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:32,670 So if they abandoned something like this, it won't just run to the ground and you know cause potential environmental contamination or anything like that. 210 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:38,730 That was the piece I was going to ask that they required to like bring it back up to usability or whatever. 211 00:17:38,910 --> 00:17:39,790 I mean they'll got it, right? 212 00:17:39,970 --> 00:17:44,150 Like they'll still be a building constructed and landscaping and storm water, but anything... 213 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:47,990 But like if they pump stuff into the ground or whatever, like they're required to... 214 00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:53,150 Okay, right and everything gets disconnected from the utilities and all and the waste water and all that stuff gets 215 00:17:53,150 --> 00:17:59,510 Remediated as well and they have to post a bond until it's proven that we've met all the standards that are necessary too, so 216 00:18:00,410 --> 00:18:06,330 That's a quirk. I mean, that's not something that's would narrowly required in any commercial and industrial use, but 217 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:11,790 That's that 218 00:18:11,790 --> 00:18:20,230 Like I said, that's the bulk of what we're working on this week for you guys. So thank you. Thanks out 219 00:18:20,810 --> 00:18:23,910 All right, moving on to the engineers report. 220 00:18:28,090 --> 00:18:30,130 Mr. Kissinger, do you have any other projects? 221 00:18:31,010 --> 00:18:36,790 Yeah, so I think five A's going to be covered under all business, so we'll skip over that one. 222 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:42,310 And then the open project report, I think the only thing we've really got done is the JB Squared project. 223 00:18:42,990 --> 00:18:47,530 They have requested another extension by remember correctly, right? 224 00:18:47,530 --> 00:18:49,890 So they're not coming to the planning commission this week. 225 00:18:49,950 --> 00:18:55,390 They can't make it in August, but they want to make it 226 00:18:55,390 --> 00:18:56,530 once a time in the film. 227 00:18:57,890 --> 00:19:00,250 Yeah, Mr. Hoopman, son is getting married at that time. 228 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:02,910 Not Junior? 229 00:19:03,290 --> 00:19:03,370 Yes. 230 00:19:04,330 --> 00:19:05,390 He used to work at the community. 231 00:19:05,690 --> 00:19:06,370 That's all the recording. 232 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:09,790 He had another reason why I can't get all of it. 233 00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:15,610 But they got to still hold the planning commission meeting. 234 00:19:16,050 --> 00:19:16,470 Do you know? 235 00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:21,970 Yes, so they're still going to have the fighting, which you made, and they're still going to review everything in that way. 236 00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:26,530 They can organize the either moves prior to the next one and so on. 237 00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:28,110 Okay, perfect. 238 00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:34,030 Okay, so that's really the only thing that we're tracing on, tracking on that on the end of the game. 239 00:19:34,270 --> 00:19:36,350 All right, thanks Mike. 240 00:19:37,550 --> 00:19:38,970 Just a quick follow up. 241 00:19:39,070 --> 00:19:41,810 Darling, like their extension was already good until October, right? 242 00:19:42,050 --> 00:19:45,830 So did they give a second another extension that goes beyond that? 243 00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:52,390 Yeah, the timing of it is going to have to extend it again. 244 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,420 All right, moving on to old business. 245 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:04,040 We had an email poll go out on Friday, about one smith rich sewer. 246 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,620 So I'm looking to ratify that motion. 247 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,000 He was before Friday. 248 00:20:10,220 --> 00:20:11,240 Yeah, it was earlier. 249 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,660 So I'll make a motion to ratify. 250 00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:24,700 the vote for the Smithford sewer project, which essentially forfeited agreed to 251 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:28,480 forfeit the ARPA grant funds, which were previously awarded. 252 00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:39,900 Motion is in main seconded. Here he is. All right, you've already all voted. 253 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,940 So the motion. No, no, we get a vote to ratify. So you need a vote. All in favor? 254 00:20:45,460 --> 00:20:46,920 Aye. Any opposed? 255 00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:50,090 Motion is ratified. 256 00:20:50,090 --> 00:20:51,070 All 257 00:20:53,150 --> 00:21:00,590 right, next on the agenda under old business is a motion to authorize solicitor to finalize legal documentation, 258 00:21:00,930 --> 00:21:03,790 notifying all parties involved in forfeiting the Arbor grant funds. 259 00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:06,170 I'll make that motion as stated. 260 00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:07,770 To have a second. 261 00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:11,530 Motion is made and seconded, hearing any discussion? 262 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,340 Hearing none, all in favor? 263 00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:16,140 Aye. 264 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:17,460 Any opposed? 265 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:19,760 Motion passes. 266 00:21:22,340 --> 00:21:22,600 All right. 267 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:30,680 All right, next item number C under Old Business is a motion to make an offer for the borough manager position pending a background check. 268 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:41,920 So I'll make a motion to make an offer for the borough manager position to Jeff Smith pending a background check and a 90 day probation period. 269 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:44,560 Do I have a second? 270 00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:52,010 Motion has been made and seconded, hearing any discussion, 271 00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:59,930 no discussion, all in favor? 272 00:21:59,930 --> 00:22:02,650 Hi. Hi. Any opposed? 273 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:06,140 Motion passes. 274 00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:09,020 All right, thank you. 275 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,560 Sterling, I'll catch up with you afterwards. We'll talk about a couple things. 276 00:22:17,660 --> 00:22:22,780 Moving on to new business. First item seven, A, the Historical Commission. I just 277 00:22:22,780 --> 00:22:26,560 wanted to announce to everybody that I did meet up at the Delaware County Planning Department. 278 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:32,340 Again, they were big help in our subcommittee when we were drafting the ordinance. 279 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,340 I met up with and had breakfast with one of them over the weekend. 280 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:43,540 And we really are looking for an updated scope of work. 281 00:22:44,460 --> 00:22:48,800 So I'll be presenting an updated scope of work regarding the Historical Commission. 282 00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:52,960 So there are a couple things that are to be considered in the next budget meeting. 283 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,340 I just wanted to make everyone aware that I am in contact with the plan department about this. 284 00:22:57,980 --> 00:23:00,040 We actually approved a motion, I think in like 2024 285 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:08,400 To spend some money on this already, but what would we do a new motion once we have a new updated scope of work now that we've passed an 286 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,840 historical preservation ordinance 287 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:18,220 When that old scope of work was adopted, we had not yet passed the ordinance, but now that we have we have other things we can do so 288 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:20,280 Just wanted to make that announcement 289 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:26,880 And moving on to 7B, mayors updates, Mayor Rock, I'm right. 290 00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:36,220 Everybody want to go to the National Senior Citizen today on the 21st. 291 00:23:36,740 --> 00:23:40,320 And to all those at Celebrate and Delaware County will be on the 20th. 292 00:23:40,540 --> 00:23:43,300 Closing the round, I might be the only person celebrating. 293 00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:47,360 And I'll represent the Bureau at Redwood Senior Center. 294 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,460 There's a couple other people. 295 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:55,460 But my big thing, I really want to talk about some security issues that are pre-earned 296 00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:56,100 here and dear to everybody. 297 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,880 First, the scan event is going to be on the first. 298 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:01,540 It's going to be here. 299 00:24:01,860 --> 00:24:04,460 We're three quarters of a way to go. 300 00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:08,100 But I'm really concerned with all these scan things. 301 00:24:08,860 --> 00:24:15,040 I can't read the daily times without seeing somebody confess or do this or that or scan. 302 00:24:15,540 --> 00:24:21,420 We had a call, or you had an email, even an info, with somebody in one of the Belgian 303 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:26,060 valley book, going around for roofing, or the words or something like that, and they 304 00:24:26,060 --> 00:24:26,520 were concerned. 305 00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:30,540 And they said, basically, that's the condom, and there's a notice around. 306 00:24:31,180 --> 00:24:33,280 But this is the same thing they like to see all the time. 307 00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:40,260 Somebody's taken advantage of, were about tied in, or pod deposit, where a room never comes 308 00:24:40,260 --> 00:24:40,540 back. 309 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:47,400 So safety is all that thing, safety's not just a tree falling, not just a traffic light, 310 00:24:47,540 --> 00:24:50,740 but it's safety, and it's just a really big concern. 311 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:58,460 Leading into the park trash that we had, I kind of became a little bit of a, I'm not 312 00:24:58,460 --> 00:25:03,900 about this trash, but I usually put something out and then even about, once a year, saying, 313 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:09,520 don't forget, hey, if you're using the park, don't pack up your stuff and everything and take it with you. 314 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:22,400 So two weeks ago, there was a goby on a Sunday, and there's a big trash gallon with jumbo size all nicely needed and tied up, so somebody cleaned up impeccably. 315 00:25:23,380 --> 00:25:27,560 But two days later, and it was party stuff, I've all imagined. 316 00:25:28,580 --> 00:25:34,660 Two days later, there was another party, Jasmine, Aladdin, and all kinds of stuff, all things all over the place. 317 00:25:34,660 --> 00:25:36,480 It's all like, oh, this is crazy. 318 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,780 So it did get picked up on the following Friday. 319 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,360 But we have to realize, one way to realize it, 320 00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:46,520 we don't have trash picked up on Monday morning. 321 00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:48,280 We pay for the trash. 322 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,980 And when people call up and say, OK, we use your car. 323 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,520 You know, I guess you're just playing up there for yourself. 324 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,000 So I want, we're going to do something probably 325 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,100 with the part committee to maybe make better signage 326 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:07,240 to make people aware, because it's not everybody reads what I'm putting in the English. 327 00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:13,160 Maybe put some things in and down there temporarily, but it happened again after the trash 328 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,980 was picked up on Friday, the very next day I was down, so Friday night there was another 329 00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:23,380 party and it was even more stuff and it wasn't as neat and everything, and I'm concerned 330 00:26:23,380 --> 00:26:31,240 because in our place too, we have other things, when the trash at a hundred degrees is lay 331 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,860 open and broken apart, and there's diapers or this and that, and then it's all over. 332 00:26:35,980 --> 00:26:41,480 There's kids playing. So it is like another safety and health concern. So I just want to put 333 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:47,660 that on the record. That's my little mission here in the future that everybody knows that we really do 334 00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:54,120 care. Everybody up here. Can I jump in on that? Because I'm having little kids. I've bought a permit 335 00:26:54,120 --> 00:27:00,380 to have like a gazebo rented to have parties. And maybe we don't have a gazebo or anything like that 336 00:27:00,380 --> 00:27:26,340 But if we're having people ask for permission to use the park for parties, maybe we should do some sort of nominal fee associated with having to potentially send somebody out there to clean this stuff up and having trash picked up because this has been an ongoing thing now and if people are going to have full on like Aladdin parties out there like and we're going to have to have unfortunately Eugene go down and clean everything up which is what it's been. 337 00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:30,480 It's like, there's like 10-teens of bucks if that's more than just like something. 338 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:36,020 Our little trash bins don't really hold that much, we're not geared for that, but it's 339 00:27:36,020 --> 00:27:42,880 like we'll be an extra $100 to send a special thing to get the trash contractor to go 340 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,060 down. 341 00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:48,740 So that's just more taxes for a hundred a week if we get an extra day, and I don't think 342 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:50,460 we're fit for that. 343 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,740 Would you mind connecting with Jeff, he's the park's right, to talk about, okay, to talk 344 00:27:55,740 --> 00:28:00,880 about maybe getting something like that in, like sort of way to control who's using it. 345 00:28:01,460 --> 00:28:04,300 So that's just making sure that everybody knows about it. 346 00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:10,520 I'm not saying because we saw the trash bags and my wife is like, 347 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,460 we're just picking up the trash and I'm on council, I don't know. 348 00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:19,680 You're not saying you got a trash bag? 349 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,960 But that's assuming it's in a bag, yeah. 350 00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:40,360 So, the point is really, as far from having an on-board feed, please care for service effects 351 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,520 in things like that. 352 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:48,940 But what you said is, I don't know about Friday, and the party happens over the weekend and those days I haven't been able to. 353 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,600 Well, we have a party on Tuesday night too. 354 00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:55,180 So it's an issue, and we have to discuss it. 355 00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:57,460 But I want to make everybody aware of it. 356 00:28:57,860 --> 00:29:01,520 I'm just going to say, could you make it like a take-in take-out? 357 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,420 You know, bring it up, bring it home with you. 358 00:29:05,420 --> 00:29:09,500 That's where I started on the e-news, I said, hey, love it. 359 00:29:09,580 --> 00:29:13,560 And if you saw, I include the picture of the raccoon with the party hat and everything. 360 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,420 So there's a whole thing you want to say and we love you to have a party. 361 00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:25,780 But I think that there needs to be a registration or maybe I don't know if we can associate a fee 362 00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:29,560 because if Jean is to go down or somebody is to go down and actually pick the stuff up and put it where 363 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,020 of a debtor's going to get it, like it should be like that's, you know, maybe it's $25 364 00:29:34,460 --> 00:29:39,680 and a registration so we know who's one who's using the park. No, but like if they leave 365 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:45,480 it trashed all over the place, we need to know who to contact and we need the efforts to 366 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,440 like. A lot of my other missed values will provide you even if you're running about the million 367 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,160 or you're just having permission to use some of the public park space, like they will 368 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,060 There will be one page sheet and it will give you the rules and regulations of the park space. 369 00:29:59,420 --> 00:29:59,980 and then the... 370 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:11,980 Ask for a deposit, you know, 50 bucks or whatever. And it's like, if you clean up after yourself, break anything, then you get all your money. Yeah, because we need to know who's doing it so that we can hold them accountable. 371 00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:41,400 And sometimes maybe it won't be anything to tell us, but I just wanted to give that, so I just say you can start recycling today, that's another, as far as fire, permission to be all over that, like, we want to be slaughter, we don't want to have orders and stuff like that, so recycle days in 19 September, there's a lot of buzz going around about what's going on, you know, discussing what we're hearing. 372 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,220 So, I just want to pass that on. 373 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,000 One mayors report and anybody have any questions? 374 00:30:49,060 --> 00:30:49,820 No, thank you, Jean. 375 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,840 Thank you for being the Public Works Department. 376 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,600 So, Public Works number, cleaning up the trash. 377 00:30:57,740 --> 00:31:00,420 Call me sometime, drag me with you. 378 00:31:01,220 --> 00:31:02,120 I'll go with you. 379 00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:03,900 All right. 380 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:04,880 Thank you, Mayor Montgomery. 381 00:31:05,460 --> 00:31:05,860 Moving on. 382 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:19,900 So here, I'm looking for a motion to approve two sign installations with concrete at $175 each for Burntown, USA. 383 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:27,280 One at Community Park and one at DeSalvo Park, not to exceed $350. 384 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:33,000 dollars. And is the Scotts Landscaping port of this? Is this a day the one's doing it? 385 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:40,280 Okay. With the Scotts Landscaping. So am I correct that this falls under the threshold that we would 386 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,820 need a motion for to authorize to begin with? All right, so I'm just going to say my little piece, 387 00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:50,020 which is there's a lot of different things that keep falling under that and this is a small nominal 388 00:31:50,020 --> 00:31:55,340 amount. So it's not a big deal, but it would be better in my mind to build these things into 389 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:12,740 Each particular committee's agenda are like ask for the budget for next year because we've had an awful lot of things that have, you know, maybe small amounts here and there that continue to exceed the budget. 390 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,960 And so I'm just pointing that out and I will probably die on this. 391 00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:21,280 But anyway, that was my little part of it. 392 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,460 All right. So do I have a motion? 393 00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:32,130 Have a motion? Do I have a second? 394 00:32:34,150 --> 00:32:37,710 All right. Motion has been made in a second. Hearing any other discussion? 395 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:49,910 I will bring this to discussion. There was an idea that we were having the sign, the verb sign, or another sign. Like I've seen another municipality, but it's a stop sign and then it's this. 396 00:32:50,390 --> 00:32:55,750 But I think where we want to put it, it might be too close to a road to do something. 397 00:32:56,810 --> 00:33:01,070 I love the fact we're bird town, but I think as people are turning on to Valley Brook 398 00:33:01,070 --> 00:33:06,490 from Route 1, they should really be paying attention to that, the signs that pertain to safety. 399 00:33:07,270 --> 00:33:08,590 So I think those are decent spots. 400 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,780 All in favor? 401 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:14,480 Aye. 402 00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:15,840 Any opposed? 403 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:17,900 All right. 404 00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:17,980 Good. 405 00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:26,510 Darling, you can coordinate with Scott. Thank you. All righty, moving on to public 406 00:33:26,510 --> 00:33:33,630 comment. Anyone on the first row? Second row. Is there anyone on the first row? Third row. 407 00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:40,720 I'm just here because I didn't want our lane to waste putting out the chairs for you. 408 00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:43,760 Thank you for your service. 409 00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:51,280 All right. All right. Do I have a motion to adjourn? 410 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,980 still moved. All in favor? I need to post. 411 00:33:57,030 --> 00:33:57,310 Yay. 412 00:33:59,610 --> 00:34:02,590 Not bad. Nice. Thank you for coming. 413 00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:06,090 Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.