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Good afternoon, everyone. And welcome to the afternoon session of the July 22nd Board of Supervisors, meeting Madam Clerk.

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Mr. Chair, the first item on the agenda is approval of minutes for the June 24th Board of Supervisors meeting.

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Board members of any quick and emotion to approve the 24th June 24th minutes.

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So, we'll ask a second, take any discussion.

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All in favour?

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Thank you.

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Madam Clerk.

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Item two.

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Request to postpone agenda.

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Items and additions, deletions, or changes in the order of presentation, staff has one request.

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We would like to move item 15D1H, adoption of a resolution requesting the circuit court

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of Chesterville County to order a referendum election.

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On the question of whether Chesterfield County should be authorized to love a general retail sales tax not to exceed one percent to provide revenue solely for capital projects for the construction or renovation of schools serving Chesterfield County in accordance with Virginia code section 58.1-605.1 as amended.

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We would like to move that to new business, that will come after,

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that will come after item C, which is appointments.

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So it will become item 15D.

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God, thank you, Madam Clerk.

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Board members, are there any additional requests to remove items from the consent agenda for discussion by the Board?

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If not me, I get a motion to remove item 15d-1 or dot 1 dot h from the consent agenda and approve the consent agenda as amended.

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Can I get a motion?

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Mr Chair.

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This will just be a motion to approve the amended agenda.

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Got it.

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Just for the one.

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Motion to approve the amended agenda.

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Sorry.

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All in favor?

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Madam Clerk.

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Item three.

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Resolutions and special recognitions.

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A. Resolution Recognizing Major Donald Hop, Sheriff's Office upon his retirement, will

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Major Huff and his guests please join the board in the front of the room.

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The board?

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Yep.

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The board?

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They're working?

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All

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right.

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Madam Clerk, can you please read the resolution?

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Yes, sir.

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Whereas Major Donald Huff was hired on July 23, 2001 as a deputy and has faithfully and honorably

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serve the Chesterfield County Sheriff's office for 25 years under Sheriff Clarence D. Williams

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Jr. the late Sheriff Dennis S. Profit. Senior and current Sheriff Carl S. Leonard.

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And whereas Major Huff was awarded a good conduct ribbon and received letters of appreciation

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for his multifaceted contributions to recruitment, strategic planning, and community outreach.

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And was further recognized what a life saving award for displaying exceptional courage

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and compassion in rescuing and resuscitating and inmate following a suicide attempt.

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And whereas Major Huff earned a unit citation for a successful training audit,

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letters of commendation for achieving agency components with the Prison Rape Elimination Act

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and assisting in a fugitive apprehension and drug seizure and a letter of appreciation for

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contributing over 50 hours of community service to the Chesterfield Food Bank's Kids Summer

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Food Program.

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And he further received celebrating success awards for his initiative in streamlining the

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deputy hiring process, assisting with interviews and organizing the agency's first public

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safety career expo.

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And earned a Maritory's service award for going above and beyond his normal duties to bring

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the growth through opportunity program to Chesterfield.

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And whereas major half received recognition for his extraordinary achievement in creating, developing, and implementing, the adherence, vigilance, observation, interdiction, diligence, initiative, to prevent and made deaths, and was further commended for his hard work on the Sheriff's Office Wellness team, as a true representative of peer and staff well-being, and received a letter of appreciation for his dedicated service during the funeral of Deputy William Barrett Walters.

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And whereas Major Huff throughout his distinguished career has embodied the highest ideals

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of public service, exemplifying the highest level of integrity and leadership, and has earned

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the profound gratitude of his peers, the Sheriff's Office, and the citizens of Chesterfield

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County. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors,

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this 22nd day of July 2026, publicly recognizes the outstanding contributions of Major Donald

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Huff. Expresses the appreciation of all residents for his dedicated service to Chesterfield County,

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and extends congratulations and best wishes upon his retirement for a long, healthy, and happy

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future. And be it further resolved that a copy of this resolution be presented to major Huff

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and that this resolution be permanently recorded among the papers of this Board of Supervisors of

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Mr. Phil County, Virginia.

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Thank you for the big emotion.

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You're a second all in favor, sir.

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All right.

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I thank you.

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I think we're going to go to a Britain presentation, correct?

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Yes, I'm a little bit of a typical option.

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I'm staying on behalf of Sheriff Leonard.

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Who cannot make it with us today.

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And just pleasure to present Donald Trump.

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With his retirement.

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I was hoping he hang on to out last,

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but he's going before me, but the resolution is fantastic.

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but it doesn't really begin to tell the whole story of major house contributions throughout the

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Sheriff's Office. He truly, as you will see with all three of our retirees today, they say you

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have a legacy of service within our department, and each one of them having their own way left things

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behind for us to continue on with and to grow on. And major health today, this is your, your

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break. It's a replica of the brick that will be out from the 1917 courthouse, and that's yours to

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They come with you and it's pretty heavy.

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I thought the resolution was heavy, but it's got a weight to it.

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So we thank you for your service and it's been a pleasure of working with you getting

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to know you proud to call you my friend.

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He's joined today by his wife, Jen, his son, Joshua, and Graham Baby number one, Gracie.

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So congratulations.

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There's a really long list of people I'd like to thank.

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First and foremost, I know it said, at every graduation we have, especially by the board

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members of attend, but I'd like to think my family for the sacrifices that they have made

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throughout my career, you know, we had weather events, me having to go to work because

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I can't call in. We got to be there. So leaving them in times like that holidays, missed holidays,

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birthdays, and adversaries, all of those, especially my wife Jen. She's been my rock throughout

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my career and I wouldn't be here without her support.

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I've got a lot of people in the blue back there.

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Those are my brothers and sisters.

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I came here.

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I have my one family.

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Now I've got my extended family and they will remain my brothers and sisters.

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So thank you to everyone who's helped me along the way.

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It went by really quick, but I appreciate it.

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The resolution recognizing Captain Levi Golson, Sheriff's Office upon his retirement,

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will

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What do you want to do?

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What do you want to do?

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Yes, sir, there.

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See Resolution Recognizing Master Deputy Patsy Dismute Sheriff's Office upon her retirement will

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master Deputy Dismute and her guest please join the board in the front of the room.

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Whereas Master Deputy Patsy Dismute faithfully served the Chesterfield County Sheriff's Office

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for 25 years, under Sheriff Clarence G. Williams Jr., the late Sheriff Dennis S. Profit Senior

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and current share of Carl S. Leonard, and whereas Master Deputy Dismycus hired on July 23, 2001,

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and was assigned to correctional services as a jail deputy. And whereas Master Deputy

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Dismycus throughout her tenure received letters of appreciation for exemplary performance,

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open communication, mentoring future CSO deputies as a field training officer, and maintaining

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professionalism while being the sole rumour in the female housing unit.

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And whereas Master Deputy Dismuq was awarded good conduct ribbons on multiple occasions

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in recognition of having no formal disciplinary actions, and whereas Master Deputy Dismuq earned

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three sheriff's office star performer awards and was commended by Judge Vaughan for exemplary

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professionalism leadership and outstanding service.

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And whereas Master Deputy Dismac received a unit citation for exemplary service as part of the peer support team, providing crisis intervention, trauma support, resiliency resources, training, and 24-hour assistance to Sheriff's Office personnel while helping develop and strengthen the agency's peer support program.

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And, whereas, Master Deputy Dismuth has earned the profound gratitude of her peers, the Sheriff's Office and the Citizens of Chesterfield County.

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Now, therefore, be resolved that the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors recognizes the outstanding contributions of Master Deputy Patsy Dismuth,

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expresses the appreciation of all residents for her service to Chesterfield County, and extends appreciation for her dedicated service to the County and congratulations upon her retirement,

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as well as best wishes for a long and happy retirement, and be a further resolved that

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a copy of this resolution be presented to Master Deputy Dismic, and that this resolution

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be permanently recorded among the papers of this Board of Supervisors of Chesterfield

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County, Virginia.

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And also, Mr. Smith, this is your brick, the symbolites of the brick that be from the

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1970 Courthouse, get to Marker's service, and, you know, Patrick and I go way back, you know,

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In the day 25 years ago, I was her training sergeant and we had a good time in training, and she has served as well in the Sarah's office, she's worked a lot of capacities in the Sarah's office and always does so with professionalism.

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You never had to worry about where she was at or what she was doing, she was always doing what she was supposed to do in helping out her fellow deputy fellow service member.

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So she will be truly missed.

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You've got me glad that you're able to catch up with your husband on his retirement now.

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And I look forward to seeing what you guys are going to do in the future with all this

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free time you have on your hands.

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But thank you for your service.

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Thank you.

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I'm still formally working right now until July 31st.

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That's why I'm in uniform, but I'll be officially retired on August 1st.

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And I just would like to thank each and every one of you all for giving me the

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opportunity has been a long, long journey, but it has been a great journey to work for

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Chesterfield Sheriff's office. And I think Sheriff, I went on the three different

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sheriff, so I think all three of those, one that's not here with us, it was very dear to each

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and every one of us, we truly do miss him. Until Colonel, thank you. They were all working

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us in the training. Training is not easy, and they didn't let a bonus either, so I thank

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for the heart, push, and I continue to hold on. And to my co-workers, thank you guys.

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Love each and every one of you guys, and don't forget me when I leave here. Remember

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Deputy Dismute, okay? No master. Deputy Dismute. Thank each and every one of you all on the board.

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Each and every one that came out on today for one reason or another. Thank each and every one of you.

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Amen.

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Let's see. We'll go to...

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If you Mr. Chair, if you like we do have another retiree here, she's not going to have

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her resolution read, but she would love to join you at the front of the room and Dave

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Goodwill.

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All right, so we'll do recognizing other retirees and special guests, Mr. Goodwill.

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Mr. Chair, Mr. Vice Chair and fellow board members, Mr. Harris.

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Like the welcome Kathy Novak, up front with the board right now, she is a company by Gloria

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House who is the chief deputy commissioner and filling in from this use this evening.

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Kathy has 21 years of service with the county and we're here to recognize her tonight.

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I'm going to hand the mic to Gloria because she has a few words.

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There you go.

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Mr. Chair, fellow board members, please join me on congratulating Kathy.

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Hello.

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Please join me in congratulating Kathy on her retirement after 21 years of

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standing public service and Commissioner Hughes sends her regress and, fortunately, she's not able to be here today, but I'm honored to have the opportunity to

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acknowledge Kathy's service.

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We're not reading the resume today, but I will give a few of the highlights.

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So Kathy started with the county in 2005 as a temporary secretary and shortly thereafter came to work for the Commissioner of the Revenue's office in 2006,

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as an administrative assistant and it was through her dedication and hard work that she moved

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up through the ranks throughout her tenure. She served as a administrative analyst after

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that and then an administrative supervisor and ultimately part of the leadership team as an administrative

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manager. Kathy's legacy will be the lasting impact she made on our office and again it was through

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her dedication and her commitment to excellence as some of the staff members are here can't

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attest to.

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So, some of those things that really stand out are Kathy's participation in establishing

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a robust continuing professional development program for the staff and one of her final assignments

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was as a change agent for the Workday implementation.

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She also served as a member of the start-up committee to establish a deputy commissioner of the revenue association in this region of the Commonwealth.

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Kathy's talent for building relationships and collaboration has won her friends with the Instructural County and also the surrounding localities.

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And this was never more evident than when we attended meetings with Kathy and she always had friends in the room wherever we went.

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Although Kathy was a critically important and much respected member of the Chesterville Commissioner

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of the Revenue's team, we appreciate her sense of fun and her love for people, and

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she will be deeply missed.

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The Commissioner of the Revenue along with her staff, which Kathy, a long, happy and well

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deserved retirement.

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Thank you.

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It's been a honor and a pleasure to serve Chesterville County, the Commissioner of

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office and the citizens of Chesterfield County. It's been a true joy and I will certainly miss all of you.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Chair, we have six more individuals that will appear on consent tonight who are retiring.

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They include very white from building inspections with 33 years, Robin Jones, with mental health support services with 31 years.

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We have Cali a junior with a police department for 30 years, Greg Velzie with Parks and

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REC 30 years, Melissa A. Hearn with Farnium S with 28 years, and Christian Wilkinson with

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Farnium S 20 years. In total the individuals were recognizing tonight, combined to make up

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276 years of public service. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I think it around of applause for

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All right,

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sounds like Captain Goulson's ready to go forward.

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We're all settled kind of, all right, that'll work.

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Whereas Captain Levi Goulson has faithfully and honorably served the Chesterfield County Sheriff's Office

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for 33 years under Sheriff Clarence G. Williams Jr., the late Sheriff Dennis S. Profit

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Sr., and current Sheriff Carl S. Leonard, and whereas Captain Goulson was hired on August

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In a sign to the Correctional Services as a jail deputy, and through dedication, professionalism, and exemplary service advanced through the ranks to Sergeant in 1995, Lieutenant in 2007, and Captain in 2016.

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And whereas Captain Galson earned recognition as employee of the quarter on multiple occasions

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and earned the distinct honor of being named employee of the year in 1994.

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And whereas Captain Galson received numerous letters of appreciation, recognition, and

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commendation for outstanding leadership, exceptional performance, professionalism, superior

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attendance, successful inspections, strategic planning, employee mentoring, and contributions

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to agency operations.

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And whereas Captain Goulson made significant contributions to the Sheriff's Office by helping

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develop jail policies and procedures, supporting recruitment and promotional processes, coordinating

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training programs, filling in as quartermaster, improving operational readiness, assisting

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with accreditation and inspection efforts, and consistently demonstrating a commitment

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to organizational excellence.

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And whereas Captain Galson faithfully represented the Sheriff's Office through many years of service with the honor guard and color guard, participating in funerals, ceremonial events, public safety ceremonies and other occasions that honored fellow public servants and the community.

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And whereas Captain Goulson demonstrated commitment to community engagement by organizing

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and participating in youth outreach, conflict resolution and wellness programs, YADA,

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P.P. conferences, shop with a cop, career fairs, school presentations, public safety initiatives,

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charitable service, and other efforts that strengthen relationships between the sheriff's

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office and the community.

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And whereas Captain Galson was recognized by the highly exceptional

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ax regarding teamwork program for donating 80 hours of his annual leave to a

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fellow deputy. And whereas Captain Galson is commended for every three decades

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a dedicated public service and for earning the respect and gratitude of his

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colleagues, the Sheriff's Office and the Citizens of Chesterfield County. Now

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therefore be it resolved that the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors

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recognizes the outstanding contributions of Captain Levi Golson, expresses the appreciation of

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all residents for his dedicated service to Chesterfield County, and extends congratulations

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and best wishes upon his retirement for a long, healthy and happy future.

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And be a further resolved that a copy of this resolution be presented to Captain Golson and

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that this resolution be permanently recorded among the papers of this Board of Supervisors

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of Chesterfield County, Virginia.

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Thank you, but I want to make one small friendly addition. He's also an incredibly sharp dresser

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Who with that I'd like to get a motion? Oh, I got two in second

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All in favor, sir

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All right, thank you

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You know what what is from me to be able to wish you a happy retirement. Thank you for your family here today and

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Your your brick here is

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You know, this is indicative for me because I was once asked

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What can you tell me about Levi-Gosin?

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I told him a lot of things, but I ended my comments with Levi as a leader that if he tells

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his people, come on, we're going to go right through that brick wall.

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He's going to get up and lead him, they're going to get up and follow him.

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He's that kind of person.

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He's always was able to just put that on his people, they follow him anywhere, and I know

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we've seen you in the back of the jail, we've seen you in the courthouse, and we'll

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year round in your retirement as well. It's been my pleasure. We've been in the same basic

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academy together, back in 1993, so just very proud of you, man. Very happy for you and

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your family and your wife to get you back after all these years. I've known this guy

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over half my life. So I wish you the very best, Lila.

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To say a whole lot, I will say, the true meaning of service before self. And I see all of these young men and women who

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are watching come up and I watch their service come before themselves. And this is my day.

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But you all

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is what? Outstanding, that's what I'm talking about.

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Love you, bless.

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Madam

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Clerk.

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Item four, every day excellence, Dr. Worsley.

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The board, Mr. Harris, Mr. Minks.

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Every day excellence is a great opportunity for you to learn a little bit more about what

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going on in our departments and for our community to also learn what some online employees are

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doing in the community and to go work they're doing. I'm very pleased to bring up two of our

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department directors, Ms. Free from the health and Mr. Hughes from Community Corrections Services

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along with our two guests that have been recognized. We all call them the four sisters. If you all

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will make your way over here to the table and have a seat and I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Hughes

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to tell you a little bit more about the four sisters story sister act.

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Mr. Chair, members of the

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Mr. Harris, Mr. Meeks, Kelly and I are very appreciative of the opportunity that we have today to bring forth

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Melody Force and her sister, Lindsay Force.

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Melody works for community correction services.

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She's been with us for about almost two and a half years.

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She is a peer recovery specialist.

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Her sister, Lindsay, is a peer recovery specialist for such a mental health support services.

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And she's been with him about a year and a half, I believe.

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There's a couple of unique factors about the four sisters.

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So I start off with, say, this, that Cheshire Film and Health Support Services with Kelly and the Community

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Corrections Services, we intentionally collaborate in many different ways.

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So this is really an unintentional collaboration for us to have this, but it's been very prosperous throughout the agencies.

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And I also would be remiss if I wasn't talking that Cheshire has a robust peer recovery specialist community and staff throughout many of our departments.

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So with peer recovery specialists or individuals who have lived experience,

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They have in recovery, main in recovery, they've been through the process, they are able to reach clients that probation or pre-trail officers cannot reach and often that clinicians cannot reach.

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They have been there, they have been through many of the trials, the tribulations, the difficulties, they provide a perspective that we have been able to be able to provide.

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I can go on and talk about what they do in terms of connecting clients with recovery housing,

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transportation, offering solace to a client who might have a positive test or might be facing a difficult court date.

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They might be assisting somebody who's having a difficult time in the community.

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They are there.

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So they are problem solvers.

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They are connectors.

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They bring together people throughout the community.

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And I think that Kelly and I could say that about many of our peer recovery specialists

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with the lived experience and what they do in terms of connecting others to services and providing

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some hope. What I feel as unique about the four sisters would be this, and particularly from the

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perspective of community correction services. Melody and Lindsay both have a criminal record,

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both are actually on community supervision at one time in their lives. They're aware that I'm going to

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mention that today. I would not surprise them without that. However, what's unique is they have taken

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their story in their journey and beyond them their family's story and their family's journey

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about recovering an impact and what they have done is they have taken that on the road.

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So they have something called the sister act that they go forth that they have provided

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at conferences, in facilities that that be jails or otherwise and they go out and they are very

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open about their story and about their experience. From the standpoint of community

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society, because we were bringing in somebody to our department, full of probation or pre-trail

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officers, who did have a prior criminal record, who was on supervision that was very

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different from us.

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And it was something I would not have imagined when I started in the field 28 years ago.

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In retrospect, I say it's the best thing we've ever done.

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We have a much mini-great things, many great staff, but we have somebody who every day shows

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This is the power of redemption, the power of second chances, for multiple chances, and the

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power of somebody who has moved on through their life, who is now working and employed

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in helping so many others.

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You know, and so I can say, for melody, I can say that about Lindsay.

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So for me, you know, that's that other piece of what they do, and their service, where they're

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going out and telling their story, be open about their story and they're inspiring others.

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And that's what we feel makes the sister act so unique.

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And I just think both of them for what they do and what they have done for Chesterville County.

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I echo what Gary said, this, you know, they'll speak in a few minutes, but it just demonstrates the power of the peers that we have in so many of our programs.

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And we're just so fortunate to have them because it makes such a difference in the lives of those that we serve.

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So thank you both very much.

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Poor members.

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I don't know.

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We'll see if they want to say some of the first.

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I would talk.

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So short.

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Rest of the red button.

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Rest of the red button.

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Got it.

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Hi, everyone.

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I'm Lindsay.

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Thank you so much for this award.

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We're both really surprised and humbled by the opportunity to kind of showcase the ability

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to overcome the things that we're all trying to help people with.

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You know, we're able to overcome and, you know, sometimes there can be a little imposter

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syndrome.

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feeling going on, you know, should I be here? Is this okay? But for the most part, peer support

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has really allowed people with lived experience to, you know, be among other people who are trying

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to help and really be the bridge to connect with lived experience. You know, so we are really

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grateful for the opportunity to kind of be the face of that in this moment, but mostly on a more personal

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I got sober in 2007 on Christmas Eve. It wasn't my choice. And, you know, through that, our family has started to heal my sister got sober and our dad also got sober.

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And our experience is that, you know, we've always been the girls, you know, the girls do this, the girls did that. And for a long time we weren't connected because of my addiction and then because of hers.

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but we've been able to come full circle and walk this path of recovery together and then now

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also work together. So it really truly is a full circle moment and we're proud proud of that.

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So yeah, that's all I have to say. Thank you so much.

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I know. And I'm just honored to be here.

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want to thank Gary and Anna, my supervisor who fought for to have a peer recovery specialist

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that community corrections and ever since I walked in the door, really before that, Gary said

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to blaze a trail and to be myself. And that's exactly what I'm able to show up as every day.

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I've never been able to do that with a job. And right before I came here, my supervisor sent

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a message. She's on vacation, just to let me know that my recovery led me to her and that

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it's been the best journey since then. So I want to thank both of them and Joanne, the other

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director at Community Corrections. And Jenny, Lindsay, supervisor, but I just want to say it's been

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an honor to serve a county I grew up in that I also struggled with addiction and incarceration

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and then recovery and to be able to come back into my own community that I grew up in and serve people around me has been a gift and it's a mission when I show up.

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It is for people that are like me, but also to be able to work with the over 60 officers I get to have the pleasure of working with side by side who have kind of learned to work with a peer recovery specialist for the first time.

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time it's been really special and I want to thank my sister for doing sister acts and that

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really was brought on by working at Chester Field and sharing our recovery stories together

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naturally and then my supervisor said you should take it on the road and so we have so she's

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road manager too, and just to be able to be with my sister and also share the opportunity

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to help people together and collaborate. It's been a true gift. So thank you.

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Four members.

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What a blessing to be able to take what was a negative and turn into such a positive for

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not just yourselves and your family, but so many others whose lives you've touched and continue to touch.

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and so thank you so much for bringing that gift to the county and all the people that you

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help make it through that process also. We greatly appreciate it.

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We've seen many programs in the

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county that have been much more successful in recent years because of the peer support in all different

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areas and to be able to bring people back that have been through the situations of the people

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they're helping now to get through them has to be a full circle for so many, and it's

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just start of somebody else's full circle.

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And so for you to be willing to do that, to share that, to let people know that you've

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been through that, but where you're going now, it does inspire others that they can do it as

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well.

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And so thank you for the sister act and what you're doing

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to help our citizens in Chestfield County.

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You know, I grew up seeing a brother kind of go through

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addiction and he passed away in 2019.

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And so I only think if he would have had or the locality,

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would have had the services that we have, could he have been saved?

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and you know, that's one thing I look at. You all, and I think that he likely maybe would have been,

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and that in a way makes us feel a model and it's a commitment of myself and the board to continue

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to make sure that we fund programs like this because it helps out our citizens and to hear your story.

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is emotional because you all fall through all that together and I just pray that people

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continue to see your story and continue to move in the right direction away from addiction.

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So and also maybe even divert people from addiction. I know as when he growing up that was

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one thing that I didn't want to do because I saw him and I made me run in the opposite direction.

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So maybe even some kids who might decide to try something here their way.

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Here your story and run away from it because of what you all had been through. So I think it could be a few different scenarios that help people, one that people that are going through it and then those who say, you know, they see your story and say, now I want to do it a different way. So just thank you so much for sharing and continue to share it. I know it might be painful sometimes. But, you know, thank you so much for what you all are doing.

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So, yeah. Thank you.

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Mr. Chair.

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You know, we know through certainly to statistics that the addiction and especially the opioid addiction that this country has been through.

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It's taking a lot of lives from family members.

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I had a brother-in-law that passed away from addiction.

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You have no idea the difference you make because it's immeasurable.

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And you don't know the lives you've probably saved.

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Unless those people come out and actually tell you,

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hey, by the way, from talking to you, you saved my life.

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So thank you for what you're doing.

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We need more people like you and they're clearly doing this.

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So I just want to say thanks.

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I know it means a lot to the people you help.

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And again, it's immeasurable because you don't know,

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even the people who may be watching this today,

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that you may inspire.

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So keep up the great work.

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Thank you.

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Addiction weren't addicted culture, we know that, and much of my experience as a substance abuse counselor

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is that it really does stem from trauma and you mentioned your father and what he has gone

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through and probably would put you all through, but it is possible to recover and it is to

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in the recovery process for the rest of your life, and at the same time recognizing that

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what you put out there is hope.

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Hope that anything is possible and being a peer and for you well and for you Lindsay to

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be able to say it is possible, but you got to do the work and work means you got to be able

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to feel the feeling.

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Nobody ever died from feeling a feeling.

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People die from not feeling a feeling and they often the way to avoid it is by not feeling

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is to drop into the addiction.

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So what you're doing is you're getting a lifeline, and I know you already know that, and

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you get to see it every day, but at the same time, it's a lifeline out into the community, and

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beyond, because of the sister act, you can spread that web out even further.

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So thank you what you all continue to do for community and frankly, for that large, everything

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you do. It's so deeply appreciated and you know, keep doing the work, you know, it's that's

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what it's about. Thank you. Yeah, I'm Bob.

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Item five, work sessions, A, in turn, recognition, Ms. Martin Salbe.

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Good afternoon, Mr. Chair.

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Members of the Board, Mr. Harris. As, you know, the Chesterville County has sponsored

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internship programs since the early 1980s. It's our way of helping to grow that next

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generation of public servants and over the past 40 years we've hosted literally hundreds of interns

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I think at last count it was close to 400 and many of them have returned to work after college

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graduation here in the county on one of those.

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This year we received almost 800 applications for the summer internship program and on May 26

432
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We welcome 16 college students and they are interning in various county departments this summer.

433
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Some of those interns are here today to observe a portion of the board meeting as part of their educational experience.

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And at this time I'd like to ask those students to stand to introduce themselves to the board.

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So I could have the students that are here to stand.

436
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:48,290
And I think we'll start here on the front with Dustin.

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00:49:51,400 --> 00:50:11,940
Hello, my name is Dustin Neighbauer. I just graduated from Center College in Kentucky where I studied math and statistics and this fall I'll be attending graduate school at East Tennessee State University and I'm working in the Learning and Performance Center this summer.

438
00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:12,340
on

439
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my purpose of met a few of you guys already, but I go to George Mason now on the senior.

440
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,180
I have a few more semesters left and I would go to the AD with this environment. So it's pretty fun.

441
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,060
Hi, my name is Gabrielle Jones. I'm a riceic solve for the University of South Carolina.

442
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,800
There I study marketing and sports management, and this summer I'm in turning with Sports Association and our team.

443
00:50:40,770 --> 00:50:45,350
My name is Isia Hogan. I'm a senior at Virginia State University studying criminal justice.

444
00:50:45,630 --> 00:50:49,390
I've had a pleasure to intern and head the sheriff's offices here.

445
00:50:51,060 --> 00:50:58,080
Hello, I'm Merissa Moskov. I am a junior at NCC University. Sorry, I can't see some of y'all.

446
00:50:59,540 --> 00:51:02,980
And I work at the June Out Attention Center.

447
00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:10,480
Hello, I'm Leah Dizzy. I'm halfway through a master's at BCU in urban and regional planning,

448
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,780
and I've been with the Transportation Department at the summer.

449
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:18,340
Hello, I'm Andrew Dickinson. I just graduated from Southern Indian University,

450
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,420
and I am with the procurement department.

451
00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:34,000
Hello, my name is Julia and how I'm a senior at the College of William and Mary and this summer I'm working with constituent media services and communications and I'm measuring in public policy and marketing.

452
00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:40,310
Okay, and last but certainly not least seat at next to me is Kimberly Gonzalez.

453
00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:50,310
She's a rising senior at the University of Virginia majoring in government and she's interning the summer with Mr. Garrett Hart and the folks over at economic development.

454
00:51:50,310 --> 00:51:55,770
And Kimberly is going to speak to the board on behalf of herself and the interns, so Kimberly.

455
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:58,030
Good afternoon, everyone.

456
00:51:58,850 --> 00:52:03,470
This summer I've had the privilege of interning with the Chesterfield Department of Economic Development,

457
00:52:04,030 --> 00:52:08,070
and I can honestly say that it has been an incredibly fulfilling experience.

458
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:11,910
My interest in local government began back in high school,

459
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but I really grew up semester when I had an assignment to write about the place I call home.

460
00:52:16,550 --> 00:52:24,050
Having grown up and just revealed all my life, I've seen firsthand how much our community has grown and evolved over the years.

461
00:52:24,610 --> 00:52:29,270
That experience made me curious about the work that occurs behind the scenes to support that growth.

462
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:35,310
Through this internship, I've had the opportunity to learn how the county approaches development projects.

463
00:52:35,310 --> 00:52:39,890
I've also worked on developing an outreach plan to better engage and support his

464
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:44,390
banning zone businesses, as well as a social media strategy, to connect with small

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businesses throughout the county and region.

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00:52:47,830 --> 00:52:51,310
The work completed by this year's intern classes been equally impressive.

467
00:52:52,110 --> 00:52:56,190
At the some interns have contributed to projects such as cash analysis for the counties

468
00:52:56,190 --> 00:53:01,810
roundabouts, rail crossing safety audits, and visits to more than 200 stores that sell

469
00:53:01,810 --> 00:53:07,250
tobacco products, to educate business owners on the importance of displaying signs stating that

470
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:09,410
they will not sell tobacco products to miners.

471
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:15,910
These are just a few examples of the meaningful work in terms of being able to support it.

472
00:53:16,330 --> 00:53:20,810
One of the biggest takeaways from this internship has been seeing how different county departments

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00:53:20,810 --> 00:53:24,410
collaborate toward a shared goal of serving the community.

474
00:53:25,570 --> 00:53:30,370
This has given me an even greater appreciation for the impact that local government has on

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00:53:30,370 --> 00:53:36,090
lives of its residents. On behalf of the entire intern class, I'd like to thank everyone

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00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:41,230
who has mentored and welcomed us into your departments. We are truly grateful for the

477
00:53:41,230 --> 00:53:47,270
chance to learn, contribute and gain a deeper understanding of our local government as a whole.

478
00:53:48,190 --> 00:53:53,610
Lastly, thank you to the Board of Supervisors for your continued support in this internship program.

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00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:59,970
Your investment in this program has provided us with an invaluable experience and we sincerely

480
00:53:59,970 --> 00:54:03,270
appreciate this opportunity. Thank you.

481
00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:15,510
Thank you, Kimberly. If I could just also recognize a couple of staff members from Human Resources, Mike Yates and Jamie Key are here with the interns.

482
00:54:16,010 --> 00:54:20,690
They're the quiet group behind this whole program.

483
00:54:20,910 --> 00:54:25,350
They've been with the program for many, many years and it runs like a machine because of them.

484
00:54:25,410 --> 00:54:30,290
So I'd just like to publicly thank them for their work and support of the internship program.

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00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:31,670
Thank

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you. I know that we're going to be seeing all the interns. I think later this week

487
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,820
but it's going to check in. See if poor members will see the stringle with a finger on the microphone.

488
00:54:46,580 --> 00:54:51,400
Well, I'm sure that you'll hear it again later this week and I'm sure I won't be the only board.

489
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:56,060
Remember what this sentiment but we hope that your experience was good enough for you.

490
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:03,060
They're in the summer to want to come back and work for the county in the future and the doors open to you to come back.

491
00:55:03,060 --> 00:55:11,720
I was in a meeting relatively recently and the first thing I heard when I was walking into

492
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:18,220
the meeting was how impressive the work that you all did this summer was and how meaningful

493
00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:19,180
it was.

494
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:26,680
It wasn't just we're paying you to sit at a desk and fill some time to fill up some

495
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,080
college resume or something.

496
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:35,200
y'all actually put in work that has really benefited our citizens and that was the meeting

497
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,800
had nothing to do with that but that was the first thing I heard when I walked through the door.

498
00:55:39,060 --> 00:55:41,240
So I want to thank y'all for your work this summer.

499
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:49,980
I'm going to say I'm going to say I'm going to say the only thing I'm going to mention in

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00:55:49,980 --> 00:55:57,880
all price here later but 800 applications accepted how many, 16, 16, it just says something about

501
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:03,180
you all are and I've heard the same thing that you guys are just contributed so much to

502
00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:03,600
the county.

503
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:08,180
So we'll be talking more, but thank you for everything that you all have done.

504
00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:08,840
Appreciate that.

505
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:09,540
Thank you.

506
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:15,000
Thank you.

507
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,620
Be finance update, sales tax for education, Mr. Harris, and Mr. Durgen.

508
00:56:29,730 --> 00:56:29,950
Welcome.

509
00:56:31,370 --> 00:56:36,670
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of the board, Mr. Harris.

510
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:43,270
We are here to provide a quick finance update for you this afternoon. I'm going to start off with the

511
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:50,950
bonsil. We successfully had the sale on July 14th. It was for the $141 million we received at all of

512
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:57,610
8 bits. The interest rate that we received was 3.62%. I'm going to draw your attention to the chart on the

513
00:56:57,610 --> 00:57:03,450
right. What you see on the top is the interest rate we received on our bonsil last year, 3.8%. The rate

514
00:57:03,450 --> 00:57:09,030
we just received the 3.62 and we looked at the same amount on the same day of the sales for U.S.

515
00:57:09,150 --> 00:57:12,970
Treasury's on a 20 year yield, which is the same amount of time that we issue our debt

516
00:57:12,970 --> 00:57:13,350
for.

517
00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:15,170
You can see the inverse there.

518
00:57:15,590 --> 00:57:22,270
It was at 4.97 percent for them on the same day that we sold, it was about 5.99 percent.

519
00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:25,850
So over the life of those bonds, it's probably about 20 million dollars worth of savings that

520
00:57:25,850 --> 00:57:29,690
we realized from the benefit of having that lower interest rate between the two.

521
00:57:30,350 --> 00:57:38,370
This was our first fence of the quad triple and at the phenomenon that Gerard is pointing

522
00:57:38,370 --> 00:57:45,270
out is a direct result of that strength and certainly what we're seeing in the market

523
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:50,390
and good number of bits, very, very tight range and really counter to the interest rate trend

524
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:51,970
that you saw elsewhere.

525
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:58,010
So I think we talk about that rating a lot and it's sometimes as hard to grasp but I think

526
00:57:58,010 --> 00:58:02,850
when you see something like this, when you actually put it to use, it really demonstrates the

527
00:58:02,850 --> 00:58:07,110
value in maintaining that rating for the county.

528
00:58:08,610 --> 00:58:13,310
Yeah, so up coming on those, we finally close on those bonds and the last week of July.

529
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:19,330
We are currently working through the issuance of the second round of bonds for the school's

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00:58:19,330 --> 00:58:22,890
major maintenance and the county facilities modernization bonds.

531
00:58:23,290 --> 00:58:27,270
I'm about 50 million in total that was approved as part of the fiscal year 2027 budget.

532
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:36,750
And that's tentative schedule day is July 30th for those with the closing expected med August or August 13th or so.

533
00:58:36,850 --> 00:58:40,370
Any questions on that topic for you?

534
00:58:40,930 --> 00:58:46,710
So the second piece for us here today, and this is just sort of a preview.

535
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:50,390
We will go through the same content this evening.

536
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:53,230
So we do a twice it's a important topic.

537
00:58:53,230 --> 00:58:57,770
We've been talking to you about this really through the lens, more so for the legislative

538
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:58,790
lens.

539
00:58:59,390 --> 00:59:05,470
It's been probably the last fulfillment for correct me, but I last three years that the General

540
00:59:05,470 --> 00:59:11,610
Assembly has considered providing this authority to the full range of localities in the state.

541
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:14,690
It already exists in handful of localities.

542
00:59:14,850 --> 00:59:21,230
It had the ability to do the additional 1% local option sales tax dedicated for school

543
00:59:21,230 --> 00:59:27,890
construction. There's been a variety of language on this over the over the years.

544
00:59:28,270 --> 00:59:34,610
Johnson, we did settle on some language and sort of a rulebook for this. So we are

545
00:59:34,610 --> 00:59:39,390
bringing it forward. As we had been, you know, talking about on and off for, like I said

546
00:59:39,390 --> 00:59:46,710
the last seven years, for the boards consideration this evening. It's a quick timeline,

547
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:59,990
But that really has to do the fact that just to provide the general assembly and with early voting you have a very tight window to get this, you know, really in motion. So all the board would be

548
01:00:01,340 --> 01:00:08,440
The president with tonight is not approving the sales tax. This is treated just like a bond referendum that

549
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:15,780
we are making the sales on that jarred just just walked you through. So on your consent item, or excuse me,

550
01:00:15,860 --> 01:00:24,280
a new business this evening, is the resolution to approve the petition, the circuit court clerk, to put a question

551
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:30,980
on the ballot for this November for the citizens to decide whether they would like to see this

552
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:34,920
local option 1% sales tax that would be used for schools.

553
01:00:35,420 --> 01:00:39,940
So I'm going to walk you through the rest of the pieces in parts of this, but that's the issue

554
01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:46,240
and not so. So this is a 1% sales tax we already have this today. So this is not from a mechanical

555
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,720
perspective, which is important ultimately if it's approved. This isn't creating a new process.

556
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:58,740
this is the 1% cell sex exist would go to two, it does not apply to all categories, per state

557
01:00:58,740 --> 01:01:05,600
codes, or groceries, and other personal care items are exempted from the 1% to that that's

558
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,800
don't get a little decision about that, that's where it's already drawn up.

559
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:16,580
The revenue can only be used for school purposes and within that category, for new construction

560
01:01:16,580 --> 01:01:21,960
or major renovation major maintenance efforts in the school of vision, and it more

561
01:01:22,940 --> 01:01:27,460
even tightly prescribed than that on the construction site, it can't be used to finance

562
01:01:27,460 --> 01:01:31,940
a project that's already in flight. So, the best example there, talking about the high school,

563
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:37,200
we couldn't come back if this was a tool that we had available to us, and sell the final portion

564
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:42,260
of that high school, it has to be something that has not yet started in terms of a capital project.

565
01:01:42,260 --> 01:01:45,060
And we have a number of those eligible projects

566
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:46,700
we'll talk about here in just a second.

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01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,800
So for us, we estimate that the annual revenue

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01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,940
with that one, those carve outs for groceries

569
01:01:52,940 --> 01:01:55,480
and personal care items is somewhere between $65,

570
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,300
$70 million on an annual basis.

571
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,600
This, the way it's drawn up by the General Assembly,

572
01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:05,500
it does have a built-in sunset provision.

573
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,980
So 20 years from the date that it's enacted,

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01:02:08,980 --> 01:02:13,620
We would have the ability to bond against these dollars.

575
01:02:13,820 --> 01:02:17,460
You could do as a pay-go basis, so you do have some flexibility there along which you stay

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01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:25,400
within those construction and major maintenance parameters, so that lines up with what, again,

577
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:31,160
what we just walked through on the bond sales side, if you sold something early on over time,

578
01:02:31,340 --> 01:02:35,840
these funds could go to pay down those particular projects.

579
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,020
So that expiration date is July 2046, right?

580
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:41,280
Yes.

581
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:42,320
Yes.

582
01:02:42,780 --> 01:02:44,620
So that's the enactment date.

583
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,700
It's 20 years from that date.

584
01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:51,220
That's kind of.

585
01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:54,060
Any questions for our go on to a few more details?

586
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,340
Second, same process is that when you did the referendum in 22,

587
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,640
resolution of the board, petition, circuit court clerk,

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01:03:01,100 --> 01:03:02,900
gets added to the ballot.

589
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:09,480
The question itself is relatively straightforward, but again, if we don't do it in July, then

590
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:16,500
you're the way it lines up to have it on a November ballot, you're really looking at it next year, or after that.

591
01:03:17,740 --> 01:03:25,360
So, what would we do specifically, if this were to make it in the ballot, and we're ultimately approved, again,

592
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:33,360
we have a number of projects that are either a risen after the last referendum was approved

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01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:38,080
or projects that even going into the referendum that we said these are worthy projects,

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01:03:38,220 --> 01:03:44,240
but we may not have all of the dollars lined up in Lothian Middle School be in the signature

595
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:50,660
example of that. It was included in the referendum as a partially funded project. This particular

596
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:54,600
funding source would fill in that gap. So there's six projects. Doesn't mean that you're

597
01:03:54,600 --> 01:04:00,540
limited to these, but from from a staff's perspective, we go right to the capital plan that has

598
01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:04,900
been approved by the school board. By the board supervisors, there's six projects that fit that

599
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:11,620
candidate list very nicely. In no particular order, those are the reliever Dale elementary school,

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01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:18,350
a reliever old-hundred elementary school, the other wing, build out of until a committal school,

601
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:24,230
The Lothymil School Project, which I just mentioned, which had partial credit if you will

602
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:31,290
from the 22 referendum, the LC-Bird High School Gym, which is similar to major renovation

603
01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:36,190
projects done in other high schools in the county, and then some sort of reconfiguration

604
01:04:36,190 --> 01:04:42,670
on the Thomas Dale campus to better facilitate student flows and whatnot there.

605
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:45,410
I know there's several, we've talked to the school division, there's several different

606
01:04:45,410 --> 01:04:50,570
concepts. But that was previously discussed. I consider today take exact what that

607
01:04:50,570 --> 01:04:53,990
looked like. But we do believe based on the estimates that we've seen from them

608
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:58,210
and have been discussed that that's something we could accommodate. So, Dirk and

609
01:04:58,210 --> 01:05:03,790
myself have done some of the modeling on this. We believe it on more or less on day one,

610
01:05:03,810 --> 01:05:11,050
we could go out and sell bonds to finance all six of those projects that otherwise

611
01:05:11,050 --> 01:05:16,930
really don't have a funding source patch currently. There's sit in the school

612
01:05:16,930 --> 01:05:21,650
CIP as I mentioned, but they are accordioned out over, you know, a good number

613
01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:25,650
of years. And again, we have to figure out how we would finance those and then

614
01:05:25,650 --> 01:05:28,510
then they're stretched out from a construction perspective. We would be able to

615
01:05:28,510 --> 01:05:34,310
accelerate all those into the current term and pay for them all in year one through

616
01:05:34,310 --> 01:05:39,430
a financing. You know, we could do that as soon as, you know, this time next year,

617
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:43,050
obviously the construction windows would vary, but it does accelerate and and

618
01:05:43,050 --> 01:05:46,650
solve those those funding questions. The second piece of this which

619
01:05:46,650 --> 01:05:49,670
really shouldn't be overlooked. This is something that we've been talking to you

620
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:53,850
all. The school board's been talking amongst themselves and to you all at

621
01:05:53,850 --> 01:05:58,270
finance committee in other places. The major maintenance question schools has done a

622
01:05:58,270 --> 01:06:02,490
good job starting to rebuild their page you go a major maintenance program.

623
01:06:02,990 --> 01:06:05,390
So if we're talking major maintenance, this is just really sort of that the

624
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:09,970
system replacement that the upkeep of all the other buildings got six projects up there

625
01:06:09,970 --> 01:06:14,330
but you have, you know, there's 60 some campuses that need sort of that care and attention

626
01:06:14,330 --> 01:06:15,310
on annual basis.

627
01:06:15,790 --> 01:06:22,110
This would allow us to establish a pays-you-go major maintenance program, a meaningful one

628
01:06:22,110 --> 01:06:28,350
across the rest of the county, which is something that has been on our collective list

629
01:06:28,350 --> 01:06:29,910
for a good number of years.

630
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:35,210
you saw, the expected financing that we would close on later in the summer.

631
01:06:35,350 --> 01:06:40,510
That's really, as we've been using debt tools every now and then to sort of catch up on

632
01:06:40,510 --> 01:06:46,330
that, that would allow us to not have to borrow for that really anymore for the foreseeable

633
01:06:46,330 --> 01:06:52,050
future and turn that over to a page-you-go program, so I can't stress enough how important

634
01:06:52,050 --> 01:06:52,570
that is.

635
01:06:52,570 --> 01:06:59,750
It doesn't have all of the named projects status necessarily, but Mr. Wojtekus, and Teeze

636
01:06:59,750 --> 01:07:05,450
Vombord, has done a human's work to done a full facility condition assessment of every

637
01:07:05,450 --> 01:07:09,550
school building, every system, so they know exactly what needs to be done, and when it needs

638
01:07:09,550 --> 01:07:13,910
to be done, instead of a very, very good handle, and that's the timing lines up pretty well.

639
01:07:14,370 --> 01:07:20,630
So we again, just to recap, all six of those projects accelerated fully funded day one, and

640
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:27,050
establish a major maintenance program that the really, maybe not everything they would want

641
01:07:27,050 --> 01:07:32,270
to be, but it's a very substantial program. I would put it on par with what we have on the county side.

642
01:07:33,930 --> 01:07:40,770
In addition, we are sort of proposing a couple of rate offsets. So if approved, this would include

643
01:07:40,770 --> 01:07:47,110
a two-cent reduction on the real estate rate and a 10-cent reduction, the personal property rate.

644
01:07:47,110 --> 01:07:50,010
You all have been very aggressive on personal property in particular.

645
01:07:50,450 --> 01:07:52,790
It's currently down to 325s.

646
01:07:52,930 --> 01:07:55,150
We'd trim another 10 cents off of that.

647
01:07:55,350 --> 01:07:58,090
You took a quarter off of that several years back,

648
01:07:58,270 --> 01:07:59,890
and a two-cent reduction on the real estate side.

649
01:07:59,910 --> 01:08:02,370
This doesn't preclude something that you would do.

650
01:08:02,990 --> 01:08:04,270
As you get into the budget process,

651
01:08:04,450 --> 01:08:07,130
as we see what revenues look like and expenditure requests,

652
01:08:07,650 --> 01:08:10,250
you still have that path to do something on top of this.

653
01:08:11,130 --> 01:08:12,990
These are rate offsets that would be tied.

654
01:08:13,050 --> 01:08:16,550
If approved in November, these are things that we could

655
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:24,870
set into motion, and as you set your rates, again, as we look at the tax year 27, and mention that doesn't

656
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:30,970
recluse you from doing anything else. Michael, Michael Bowman is always messing with others.

657
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:38,370
I'm watching your bow, I'm like, yeah. So the other piece of this is maybe a little bit more nuanced,

658
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:42,570
but I think this is really important. So we would, if you kind of have to think of the school

659
01:08:42,570 --> 01:08:48,890
debt portfolio. Okay, we just talked about that in sort of a bifurcated way. So everything

660
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:53,030
that we've sold up until now wouldn't be eligible for any of these new revenue dollars

661
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:57,810
if approved. But this is what it looks like if you don't sell anything else other than what

662
01:08:57,810 --> 01:09:04,010
Mr. Durkin has just made me sign for today. So you see his drops off very precipitously

663
01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:09,370
over the course of the next 20 years. This is that term that the sales tax would be eligible for.

664
01:09:09,370 --> 01:09:21,310
So what this sets up is, you really sort of convert your debt program over onto the backs of the sales tax and this existing stream we wouldn't need to add to this.

665
01:09:21,350 --> 01:09:27,750
So you see a very, very sharp fall off in schools debt service.

666
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:30,470
So what that provides you a path for is a couple of things.

667
01:09:30,490 --> 01:09:36,490
One of which other school initiatives that might be required to teach your pay, whatever the case might be,

668
01:09:36,490 --> 01:09:42,070
going to create space for that, as well as potentially other rate offsets as we get out into

669
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:49,430
the future. So just within five years time from it peaks in 28, we're digesting the high

670
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:57,390
schools. We just talked about, but with by 232 you've got almost $12 annual savings by switching

671
01:09:57,390 --> 01:10:04,750
your debt program off onto the 1%. And the other piece that I should mention is we go through this,

672
01:10:04,750 --> 01:10:12,950
We estimate that roughly 25 to 30 percent of this would actually be paid for outside of the

673
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:17,950
county by those that are coming here for, you know, our growing tourism space, I think

674
01:10:17,950 --> 01:10:23,210
one of the benefits of that is, you know, we are exporting a lot of that tax burden outside

675
01:10:23,210 --> 01:10:23,670
of the county.

676
01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:28,690
We have done several different ways of taking a look at that.

677
01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:34,130
We have some hard numbers from Mr. Pomer shop, Mr. Durkins built sort of a model down there,

678
01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:35,590
So we believe that's a fair number.

679
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:39,330
So you're switching that revenue source to something

680
01:10:39,330 --> 01:10:41,970
where it's a much broader base.

681
01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:45,790
And again, we think 25% to 30% is a very conservative number

682
01:10:45,790 --> 01:10:48,510
that's paid for by folks that are traveling too

683
01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:49,970
or through Chesapeake County.

684
01:10:50,230 --> 01:10:54,550
So that's certainly another perk of sort of changing this stream.

685
01:10:54,650 --> 01:10:55,890
You have the rate offsets.

686
01:10:56,150 --> 01:11:00,590
And then again, this path here which shows that further rate offsets

687
01:11:00,590 --> 01:11:02,690
or other expenditure trade offsets

688
01:11:02,690 --> 01:11:05,290
you're going to be possible in the very near term.

689
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:08,290
So just recap in at a time line.

690
01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:10,510
It's up for your consideration tonight.

691
01:11:10,770 --> 01:11:13,650
And new business, we would really

692
01:11:13,650 --> 01:11:16,730
sort of have the traditional referendum effort

693
01:11:16,730 --> 01:11:21,150
where we would go out and talk to groups about the effort

694
01:11:21,150 --> 01:11:23,590
and put as much information as we possibly

695
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:25,110
can, partner with the school of vision

696
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:27,410
for proved on the ballot for November.

697
01:11:28,290 --> 01:11:30,610
You see things that you have to come back.

698
01:11:30,610 --> 01:11:36,530
that's an important point there in the teal column, it comes back to you for a vote on the

699
01:11:36,530 --> 01:11:41,130
ordinance. So there this is a several step process today really just getting the ball rolling.

700
01:11:41,970 --> 01:11:47,490
It ultimately relies with the dividers, but it comes back to you if approved for the adoption of

701
01:11:47,490 --> 01:11:52,790
the ordinance itself and then we are just up here in penciling in forage live next year and then

702
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:59,670
the 20 year expiration built in sunset, nothing that you have to do on that for July of

703
01:12:00,690 --> 01:12:04,570
And Mr. Dirk, and we'll be here that day to answer your questions about that, how that works.

704
01:12:05,710 --> 01:12:07,430
Other than that, any questions?

705
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:12,550
I don't know that's a lot of information, but we will go through it again tonight downstairs

706
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:13,910
in the public meeting room.

707
01:12:14,170 --> 01:12:17,350
But thought we would give just sort of a preview edition this afternoon.

708
01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:22,240
Dr. Hill.

709
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:28,160
So, thank you, one, Matt, for this presentation.

710
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:46,980
And does this give us any flexibility in terms of, I know it's not on personal care, it's not on grocery, those types of purchases, but it would be on maybe help fill in the blank there as part of my question.

711
01:12:47,620 --> 01:12:57,100
And then number two could we exempt something, you know, let's just say prepared food, could we exempt prepared food from this one percent sales tax?

712
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:05,240
I appreciate the question, the first part, so the exemptions that we talked about, that's what's in the code as we've received it.

713
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,780
I don't think there's any reason we couldn't exempt.

714
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:12,760
I'd say, you know, a lot of Steve, we would have to look at that.

715
01:13:13,060 --> 01:13:17,420
Oftentimes these packages are given to us, and that's what you get.

716
01:13:17,620 --> 01:13:21,760
You don't get any real choices, any buffet choices.

717
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:28,760
So we would look at that, but we would certainly let you know on if there are any possibilities

718
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:34,600
after the referendum to double back on to what the exact package would look like when

719
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:35,680
he adopted an ordinance.

720
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:43,800
And I guess my question is really, don't want to put anything in the book, because it may

721
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,060
be pulled something out.

722
01:13:45,260 --> 01:13:46,920
So that's really dirty.

723
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:48,480
Yeah, you wouldn't.

724
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:51,600
I don't think it would have been ability to put stuff in, but in this it's going to be

725
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,560
general merchandise purchases, you know, electronics, furniture, although those types of

726
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:01,460
categories are what's going to apply as it, as it currently sits like Mr. Mixes, we can

727
01:14:01,460 --> 01:14:08,180
look at that question. As it comes to us, restaurants are in groceries, personal care,

728
01:14:08,180 --> 01:14:12,140
hygiene items are all exempted out as a, as drawn up.

729
01:14:12,140 --> 01:14:23,330
I guess my only concern is maybe being able to look at excluding prepared food from restaurants.

730
01:14:25,290 --> 01:14:28,850
But I know that's something that you all have to look at and get back to us.

731
01:14:29,550 --> 01:14:35,290
And I'm sure likely you all would put up some information on the website about it,

732
01:14:35,370 --> 01:14:42,970
so people can take a look at it and see what is exempt and what is not exempt.

733
01:14:43,490 --> 01:14:45,630
So, you know, thank you for the presentation,

734
01:14:45,630 --> 01:14:48,190
for information.

735
01:14:48,710 --> 01:14:50,730
Right, and the reference of the actual question

736
01:14:50,730 --> 01:14:54,430
would be on the package that the general somebody's given us.

737
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:58,570
So, what's in there right now is what people would be voting on.

738
01:14:58,770 --> 01:14:59,990
And then the question would be, could...

739
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,020
The Board modified that. If the referendum passes, but we will absolutely have a full, if we prove tonight

740
01:15:09,020 --> 01:15:14,860
a full website with all the details and what are in those pre-determined categories, the project,

741
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,180
less, all of those types of things, as we've done before.

742
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:21,500
Mr. Carroll,

743
01:15:23,860 --> 01:15:30,400
who will draft the language of the referendum item and when will that be available?

744
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,880
or has the general assembly drafted as part of what they did,

745
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,400
what the actual language of the referendum would be required to have in it?

746
01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:41,100
They have not, they have not, and we're looking at that question right now.

747
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:46,840
So, if we put this, we petitioned the court, I think, when would the court take,

748
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,620
when would they take action on it to do it?

749
01:15:49,860 --> 01:15:54,980
Well, we're going to have actually a proposed order down to the court fairly quickly.

750
01:15:54,980 --> 01:15:58,980
It's part of that order has to have the question to correct, yeah.

751
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:08,840
Well, I'd like to have at least some idea what the wording of that is going to be.

752
01:16:08,900 --> 01:16:09,600
I think that's important.

753
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:15,540
There's some sample language we can absolutely have that as part of the presentation.

754
01:16:15,980 --> 01:16:18,060
That's one of the reasons we wanted to run through it here.

755
01:16:18,180 --> 01:16:19,860
But we can certainly do that.

756
01:16:20,300 --> 01:16:23,560
There is some language that's out there already that other locales have used.

757
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,940
It's, you know, it looks on its face to be perfectly acceptable.

758
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:32,000
It's a fairly simple question, much simpler than actually some of your bond

759
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:32,900
references happen.

760
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,280
Yeah, I just think it's important to make sure that if we're going to discuss

761
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:40,600
it tonight, that we have some language that we can show the community.

762
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,260
We'll add that slide for this evening.

763
01:16:43,260 --> 01:16:44,520
That's no problem whatsoever.

764
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:46,780
Yeah.

765
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:51,620
So this is already in place and in place is, and I think we're aware of a probably about a

766
01:16:51,620 --> 01:17:00,440
There are a dozen or so localities that have reached out to us, so that we've talked to that in the same boat as it's just found now in terms of considering it for this November.

767
01:17:00,780 --> 01:17:05,460
So that a lot of folks are wrestling with that particular component, but we'll have that for you this evening.

768
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:06,180
No worries.

769
01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:14,780
The number of localities, I got a number today of about 25 across the Commonwealth.

770
01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:21,180
And along with human saccharole in that we need to be able to identify what it is we're voting on.

771
01:17:21,540 --> 01:17:22,920
And so the wording will be really, really helpful.

772
01:17:23,700 --> 01:17:26,180
And then from there we'll get clarity as we go.

773
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:32,420
What is important in my estimation is let's move the process forward to several steps.

774
01:17:33,220 --> 01:17:37,600
And until we identify, we wouldn't make sure that we have in our back pocket.

775
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,360
This is an option as we go.

776
01:17:40,100 --> 01:17:41,200
So thank you.

777
01:17:45,870 --> 01:17:52,610
And then just some other items really quick. I'm on this evening's consent agenda is to set public hearings for the August

778
01:17:52,610 --> 01:17:58,570
Board meeting. I'm related to the fiscal year 2027 budget adopted items with discussed before.

779
01:17:58,910 --> 01:18:06,090
First one, being the B-po exemption, increasing the relief threshold up to 100,000 from 550 to 750,000.

780
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:13,750
And then adding the tax relief for the elderly disabled veterans program that 40 or 15% for incomes up to 80,000 dollars.

781
01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:20,470
And one other item, not pictured, but also in a good signage, and we're following through

782
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:23,990
again with some things they were set in motion in terms of your budget.

783
01:18:24,170 --> 01:18:32,150
It's a combination item adding a hazardous duty classification for emergency medical technician

784
01:18:32,150 --> 01:18:40,630
only. That only hits a very, very small part of our base now, but I think we, as we move forward,

785
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:44,970
we would like to consider what ENT only position looks like.

786
01:18:45,070 --> 01:18:49,270
So this is a VRS designation that you all are approved,

787
01:18:49,330 --> 01:18:53,190
but it does cover an individual that's currently employed

788
01:18:53,190 --> 01:18:55,490
and give us some downstream flexibility,

789
01:18:56,250 --> 01:18:59,110
as well as there is approval in there

790
01:18:59,110 --> 01:19:02,230
to, for staff to pursue a contract,

791
01:19:02,430 --> 01:19:06,730
that if it's administered a contract with a 401 plan,

792
01:19:06,730 --> 01:19:14,430
that is kind of that VRS hybrid substitute for some of those job classifications that aren't currently covered

793
01:19:14,430 --> 01:19:19,530
and you all agree to step in there and fund that benefit for some of our folks.

794
01:19:19,670 --> 01:19:24,970
So this allows us to move forward with that plan and get some of your contract to help us design.

795
01:19:25,690 --> 01:19:28,810
That benefit, make sure we've got all that button down.

796
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:35,890
That would schedule to go into effect on January 1st and again that was covered as part of your budget.

797
01:19:35,890 --> 01:19:38,690
and adopt it and approve, but this is sort of that next step.

798
01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:44,290
The execution phase, if you will, to add that additional retirement plan for those

799
01:19:44,290 --> 01:19:45,250
job categories.

800
01:19:45,390 --> 01:19:51,750
At least until it's approved by the rest of your S, so with that, happy to take any questions.

801
01:19:51,890 --> 01:19:52,810
You might have.

802
01:19:54,150 --> 01:19:54,910
Any questions?

803
01:19:56,830 --> 01:19:57,190
Thank you.

804
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:57,630
Thank you.

805
01:19:57,930 --> 01:19:57,990
Thank you.

806
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:58,590
See you tonight.

807
01:20:00,900 --> 01:20:03,480
See, consent agenda highlights, Mr. Balls.

808
01:20:22,450 --> 01:20:25,150
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board, Mr. Harris.

809
01:20:25,150 --> 01:20:29,950
have a few consent agenda highlights for this evening.

810
01:20:31,610 --> 01:20:40,010
First up is a construction contract for the Environmental Engineering Operations Center.

811
01:20:40,710 --> 01:20:46,850
This contract just over 11.4 million for construction of their replacement building.

812
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:55,070
This is a project long coming for they have significantly outgrown their existing space.

813
01:20:55,070 --> 01:21:08,530
It's roughly 30,000 square foot pre-engineered building along with acreage for lay-down yard for heavy equipment, all the various materials and supplies that they use in their daily operations.

814
01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:18,030
This timeline for this project will be wrapping up around October of 2027.

815
01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:24,810
And as we mentioned before, this is the first phase of three projects to address warehousing

816
01:21:24,810 --> 01:21:31,490
and storage needs for many county departments, all with the goal of maximizing utilization

817
01:21:31,490 --> 01:21:38,790
of our existing space, but also adding space where it's justified, we'll have future phases

818
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:45,690
of this, the second piece we expect to bring to you either next month or September.

819
01:21:47,220 --> 01:21:54,740
L.C. Bird High School, the rehab projects for the Diamond Field Complex.

820
01:21:54,740 --> 01:22:01,200
This is a contract for a little over $4 million that rehabs all the Diamond Fields at

821
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:06,680
L.C. Bird, as well as the athletic complex there.

822
01:22:07,580 --> 01:22:14,400
This includes installation of news synthetic turf infields like the project at Rockwood,

823
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:24,320
as well as irrigated, bermuda grass outfields, including the varsity baseball and softball fields,

824
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:31,460
work on the dugouts and bullpins, so it's a comprehensive project and just as a reminder for you,

825
01:22:31,660 --> 01:22:38,280
this is a not only do high school sports happen here, this is a heavily utilized parks and recreation

826
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:48,380
facilities, so there's a lot of use on this, both for, again, for high school sports as well as

827
01:22:48,380 --> 01:22:52,220
leak play through Parks and Reckon Sports and Visitation.

828
01:22:54,400 --> 01:23:00,280
Dutch Gap Parkway and Bridge, we are excited to bring this one forward. This is a long-awaited

829
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:10,580
project, contract of just over $44.3 million, this is a, approximately one mile roadway and

830
01:23:10,580 --> 01:23:17,560
a little over 1,200 foot bridge that establishes the new front door for Henrikas, as well

831
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:25,960
as creates the access to the future Dutch Gap River's Bend Park area, which was part of the

832
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:32,640
bond referendum and we anticipate having funding for that beginning in FY28.

833
01:23:33,660 --> 01:23:41,260
This project is primarily funded by Dominion Energy based on the general assembly mandate

834
01:23:41,260 --> 01:23:43,800
for coal ash storage pond mitigation.

835
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:51,480
So yeah, this one is expected to begin later this year and it will take approximately three

836
01:23:51,480 --> 01:24:00,820
years and it will V dot will begin maintaining this road and bridge once it's constructed.

837
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:09,070
A couple of transportation department road project authorizations.

838
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:17,230
The first is boards requested to approve funding and authorization to proceed with multiple

839
01:24:17,230 --> 01:24:18,010
projects.

840
01:24:18,910 --> 01:24:24,310
Some of the highlights include the fall line trail route one from Holiday Lane to Willis Road.

841
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:32,450
I-95 and Willis Road interchange improvements, phase one, route one, Shelburn to Swineford,

842
01:24:32,770 --> 01:24:39,890
pedestrian crossing as well as River Road, Pedestrian Trail from Brickhouse Drive to the

843
01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:41,850
right of the Etrick-Metoka Library.

844
01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:47,870
For both of these items, Ms. Walker is here if the board has any detailed questions.

845
01:24:48,930 --> 01:24:56,110
And then finally, a smart scale, a couple of resolutions attached to those projects.

846
01:24:57,230 --> 01:25:03,170
In February of this year, you adopted a list of 15 priorities under smart scale.

847
01:25:03,810 --> 01:25:08,570
At this stage of that review process, none have been screened out.

848
01:25:09,070 --> 01:25:13,750
But due to a limit of the number of final applications that can be submitted,

849
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:20,330
And one project does have to be removed, and staff is recommending rather than removing the

850
01:25:20,330 --> 01:25:27,870
lowest priority project, which is route 60 from Mount Piscadrive to Colfield Road, corridor

851
01:25:27,870 --> 01:25:28,530
enhancement.

852
01:25:30,190 --> 01:25:36,410
Again, staff is recommending, removing the brandar's bridge road from Trialie to Long Creek

853
01:25:36,410 --> 01:25:36,990
Lane.

854
01:25:36,990 --> 01:25:53,590
primarily because of in the criteria for the smart scale projects, this one, the, I'm sorry, the Route 60 project will score more competitively and benefit from leveraging funds.

855
01:25:55,510 --> 01:26:11,410
And then the second item is a resolution of support for GRTC rapid transit north-south bus phases 1B and 1C from downtown transfer center to Stonebridge.

856
01:26:11,410 --> 01:26:20,710
This is a GRTC project, but projects that are crossing regional boundaries do need resolution

857
01:26:20,710 --> 01:26:24,070
of support from the impacted jurisdiction.

858
01:26:25,050 --> 01:26:29,110
So that's primarily to voice that support for this project.

859
01:26:29,630 --> 01:26:33,770
Again, Miss Walker is here if you have any detail questions on those projects.

860
01:26:35,010 --> 01:26:38,550
That's all I have tonight if there's any other questions we have to answer those.

861
01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:41,200
Any questions?

862
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,760
board? All right, thank you, it's both.

863
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,660
Item six county administration update, Mr. Harris.

864
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:54,970
Mr. Chair, members of the board, just a couple of things to

865
01:26:54,970 --> 01:26:58,910
bring to your attention. As far as the commissioner comments. First,

866
01:26:58,910 --> 01:27:05,290
I see he ran out of the room very quickly, but my colleague, Mr. Durkin,

867
01:27:05,650 --> 01:27:09,190
was just recently recognized by GFOA, which is our

868
01:27:09,190 --> 01:27:14,890
And the finance world, our professional organization, recognition for outstanding public service.

869
01:27:15,610 --> 01:27:22,350
So this is just a handful of folks across the country and really the highest honor in terms

870
01:27:22,350 --> 01:27:23,310
of our business.

871
01:27:23,570 --> 01:27:29,890
So he was selected amongst about maybe 15 or so of his peers, different finance roles.

872
01:27:30,190 --> 01:27:31,730
But that's a very, very high award.

873
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:35,690
He would never admit that he received it and doesn't want me talking about it.

874
01:27:35,690 --> 01:27:43,030
but one of the past long queues, he is an absolute gift to this county and deserves every word he gets.

875
01:27:43,690 --> 01:27:49,650
Oh, can't it, is I am to have a share of go out there, place him into custody and bring him back to you.

876
01:27:49,950 --> 01:27:50,510
Absolutely.

877
01:27:51,550 --> 01:27:52,930
You're my possible support.

878
01:27:54,750 --> 01:28:01,750
Secondly, another good news item, the treasurer's office, his long-naked earned her staff, worked very hard.

879
01:28:01,750 --> 01:28:09,550
The 15th consecutive year receiving the accreditation amongst her professionalization, the Treasurer Association of Virginia.

880
01:28:10,610 --> 01:28:14,630
And a lot of these words, you kind of, you know, how do they get these things.

881
01:28:15,010 --> 01:28:26,150
A lot of criteria here, but once I wanted to point out that was interesting, you have to have a 95% collection rate after 12 months on real estate and a 90% collection rate on personal property.

882
01:28:26,150 --> 01:28:33,830
Those are very high marks, so it's one thing to send the bills out, and that's a big

883
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:34,150
job.

884
01:28:34,450 --> 01:28:39,130
Those collection rates are really, really something, and to be able to do that for 15 consecutive

885
01:28:39,130 --> 01:28:46,910
years, certainly heavy kudos to her and her entire staff, Mr. Payne, and that whole team

886
01:28:46,910 --> 01:28:47,970
for doing that.

887
01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:49,370
That's a great thing.

888
01:28:49,930 --> 01:28:55,390
Some awards also in our fleet area, government fleet magazine, and American Public Works

889
01:28:55,390 --> 01:29:01,230
Association both recognized the county having a top 50 fleet in the country at the recent

890
01:29:01,230 --> 01:29:03,030
fleet expo.

891
01:29:03,570 --> 01:29:09,910
So tip of the cap to Dave Coddingham and his whole team, this is their 7th consecutive year

892
01:29:09,910 --> 01:29:13,470
receiving such a designations, and again, this one has used me, you know, think about

893
01:29:13,470 --> 01:29:18,970
all the time, but managing a fleet effectively and efficiently is a big part of what we do

894
01:29:18,970 --> 01:29:23,110
in those guys sort of behind the scenes, but they do a great job, and that's 7 consecutive

895
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:24,610
years for fleet.

896
01:29:25,550 --> 01:29:26,710
There's a question about that.

897
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:28,030
Is that done by the county?

898
01:29:29,010 --> 01:29:30,430
Where is the house that done?

899
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:31,770
As far as the fleets are concerned.

900
01:29:32,050 --> 01:29:34,250
Is that determined by the county by county?

901
01:29:34,670 --> 01:29:36,330
In terms of who gets the award?

902
01:29:37,370 --> 01:29:39,290
So these are two standalone organizations.

903
01:29:39,950 --> 01:29:43,970
A lot of the awards that they, the exact application process.

904
01:29:44,110 --> 01:29:45,130
I'd have to get you the details.

905
01:29:45,390 --> 01:29:50,330
But it's determined by those individual bodies in terms of who receives those

906
01:29:50,330 --> 01:29:51,110
designations.

907
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:54,570
So it's an independent accreditation of sorts, if that makes sense.

908
01:29:55,490 --> 01:29:56,450
Thank you.

909
01:29:56,630 --> 01:29:59,990
And one more award, award season, Chesapeake.

910
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,600
The second among U.S. counties of our population size and the most recent digital county survey.

911
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:16,100
We have maintained a top 10 ranking for the past 16 years, including 10 consecutive years in this category.

912
01:30:16,420 --> 01:30:29,440
It recognizes counties who are leading away and technology. The use of technology to improve public services, strength and cybersecurity, and deliver more responsive and transparent information to their community.

913
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:35,240
So, again, a big tip of the gap there to clay and the whole ISD team for all the things

914
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:39,900
that they do, which leads me into my last item, Mr. Chair.

915
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:43,920
And before you go there, I just wanted to say that Mr. Schneider and I were at the National

916
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,240
Association of Counties Conference where they were given the award.

917
01:30:48,420 --> 01:30:52,340
And what is really interesting is that each one of the different categories, which is the size

918
01:30:52,340 --> 01:30:57,700
of counties, they started a who's a tenth place and they worked their way up.

919
01:30:57,700 --> 01:31:00,200
And so even the folks that are in 10th place,

920
01:31:00,420 --> 01:31:03,160
I mean, there are 3,000 counties in the United States,

921
01:31:03,220 --> 01:31:04,180
over 3,000.

922
01:31:04,620 --> 01:31:07,360
And so if you've been named as, when it comes to technology,

923
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:11,440
and you're a 10th in your size, that is huge.

924
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:15,180
And so you'll see folks that are 10th or 8th or whatever,

925
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:20,160
very excited, with just a field of county in our size up to 500,000

926
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,760
to be in the last four years, this year we were second.

927
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,400
The two previous years we were first,

928
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:31,360
And then the previous year before that, second, it provides a really an overview of how well

929
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:36,000
Scott and technology is, a Scott Farming is, and what a great job they do.

930
01:31:36,380 --> 01:31:47,380
And I don't think that everyone kind of gets that is that it just is a very difficult honor to be given or to a teen and to be given.

931
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:49,580
So, thank you for mentioning that.

932
01:31:49,580 --> 01:31:56,740
this, sir. As I noted, there's a variety of aspects to that, but the last one that they

933
01:31:56,740 --> 01:32:02,500
focus on is responsive and transparent information. And Mr. Obama, if you keep that up,

934
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:10,000
not related to the awards, but I think really an extension in everyday application of exactly

935
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:17,980
what that award recognizes. Today we launched this portion on the county's website, a new

936
01:32:17,980 --> 01:32:21,860
page if you will that focuses on the data center topic.

937
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,960
It's available at chessfield.gov, backslash data centers.

938
01:32:26,140 --> 01:32:31,580
We've also added some buttons and links on the very front page of the county website.

939
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:36,200
It's very easy to find, depending on how you want it to access it.

940
01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:40,800
But this is going to be a living, breathing document, but it is up there today.

941
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:46,980
To recent her team are pushing this out to the media folks to let them know this resources is now available.

942
01:32:46,980 --> 01:33:16,600
And the goal here, again, living, breathing, repository of information on this topic into Mr. Smith and a lot of folks have been working very hard to gather all the documents, all the resources that we have on this build out the full timeline on this topic, as you're aware, it's a matter of great interest for the community, trying to be responsive to that, collected everything that we have, we go through all the questions that come in,

943
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:31,840
I'd like to remind me this morning we've answered 165 emails just through the county administrator email address on this and I know others have answered as many or more so we are working our way through all those resources.

944
01:33:32,420 --> 01:33:43,240
But I think our goal here was instead of just waiting for those to come in try to put this resource out there and direct folks to it to that they can digest it on their own.

945
01:33:43,240 --> 01:34:09,080
And if there's pieces of this that are missing, you all think that would be helpful to add to the community we're certainly willing to do that and this question's come in we will amend the information and add more and more over time to make this is a comprehensive resources possible, so we got just this are just some still shots, Mr. Bum, so we've got maps to kind of show current sites, potential sites future sites at type of things, there's just some examples.

946
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:11,580
So you're going to, one more past that, oh my god.

947
01:34:12,100 --> 01:34:14,000
Yeah, I think this is just a good representation.

948
01:34:14,460 --> 01:34:20,220
Each one of those menu items there, the top half of the slide, they all explode out.

949
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:26,540
And then there's documents, links, information, all types of things under each one of those

950
01:34:26,540 --> 01:34:27,360
major headings.

951
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:32,940
And we will continue to add to this and grow this over the course of the next month.

952
01:34:33,780 --> 01:34:38,040
As you will note on your evening agenda, and really it's sort of the whole day, we have tried

953
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:45,280
to carve out as much space agenda-wise, so that your evening session is dedicated to some

954
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:49,640
of these community topics where there's a lot of conversation and question tonight.

955
01:34:50,300 --> 01:34:53,640
It's really dedicated to the shoesmith topic, to the landfill topic.

956
01:34:54,060 --> 01:34:59,460
We're looking to replicate that structure and your August meeting around some of these data

957
01:34:59,460 --> 01:35:00,300
center topics.

958
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:05,980
So today we're going to kind of kick off that 30 days prior to, we're making this resource

959
01:35:05,980 --> 01:35:06,980
available to folks.

960
01:35:06,980 --> 01:35:11,220
We also plan to use a lot of our other formats,

961
01:35:11,740 --> 01:35:14,560
an Ole Miss and Reconals working on a blog series on the topic.

962
01:35:15,260 --> 01:35:16,880
Perhaps a podcast and other things.

963
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:20,040
So over the next 30 days, we'll be rolling out more and more information,

964
01:35:20,420 --> 01:35:23,260
adding it to the website, adding it to all of our other streams.

965
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,380
It's a good information out ahead of the August Board meeting

966
01:35:26,380 --> 01:35:29,820
where we're looking to have more of a formal presentation

967
01:35:29,820 --> 01:35:31,700
similar to what you'll see tonight.

968
01:35:31,780 --> 01:35:33,460
I'll be at on a different topic.

969
01:35:34,220 --> 01:35:35,220
So more to come on this,

970
01:35:35,220 --> 01:35:38,940
but thought given the sort of the flavor of the day

971
01:35:38,940 --> 01:35:40,080
on the digital counties award,

972
01:35:40,180 --> 01:35:42,940
this was a good place to sort of to make this announcement.

973
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,100
So thanks to everyone internally that worked on this,

974
01:35:47,060 --> 01:35:48,320
it's been a good project.

975
01:35:48,460 --> 01:35:50,420
I think it's a nice collection of information,

976
01:35:50,820 --> 01:35:53,380
hopefully it clears up some of the questions

977
01:35:53,380 --> 01:35:54,660
that are floating out there.

978
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,620
Any comments from the board?

979
01:35:58,660 --> 01:35:59,520
Yeah, Mr. Schneider.

980
01:36:00,900 --> 01:36:11,400
With the agenda item next month, we will be putting out a web page correct for allowing people to send in questions.

981
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:12,560
Should they have questions?

982
01:36:12,820 --> 01:36:13,960
So they can be answered at the meeting?

983
01:36:14,220 --> 01:36:14,620
Absolutely.

984
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,860
We'll have a portal and go in there and ask questions.

985
01:36:19,620 --> 01:36:22,880
But we want to have to necessarily wait until the item, I mean, to the meeting.

986
01:36:23,460 --> 01:36:28,940
We reach out to folks every day, but we can also add to this is we see things that are kind of occurring topics.

987
01:36:28,940 --> 01:36:34,820
Yeah. I just think that it's good for people to be able to hear them in the presentation so that

988
01:36:34,820 --> 01:36:38,060
everybody hears them as opposed to just one person getting to know.

989
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:42,580
So we will, as we're putting that together, we can definitely take that feedback to heart.

990
01:36:42,580 --> 01:36:43,480
Thank you.

991
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:45,320
Any other comments from board members?

992
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,900
The only thing I'm going to add is that thank you for doing this.

993
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:50,420
Let's begin with that.

994
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:56,380
The whole idea of this is just to really was at the direction of the board given what occurred

995
01:36:56,380 --> 01:37:02,640
And you know, from the community with the community, it's been expressing how important it is to be as transparent as we possibly can.

996
01:37:02,900 --> 01:37:13,540
So folks, this is absolutely 100% as transparent as we possibly can on everything from water usage to power to the non-disclosure agreement in is all out there.

997
01:37:14,060 --> 01:37:26,280
So everything including links, I believe, to the board meetings where we made the decisions and how we made them that when it was open to the community for public response, all that information is in there.

998
01:37:26,860 --> 01:37:37,300
And as there's, as Ms. Schneider mentioned, is that if there are other questions that come up along the way, we'll just keep adding to this, we'll make it as robust as we possibly can.

999
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:42,440
What I have asked is that not only is that information going to be on there,

1000
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:53,520
but also direct individuals that you can reach out to for every single individual who are a company that has or is going to have a data center in just for accounting,

1001
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:58,840
that there will be a contact person that you'll be able to reach out to to ask those kind of questions.

1002
01:37:59,860 --> 01:38:07,220
So if it's a chorizo or if it's Google or whoever, there's going to be an actual contact person, you'll be able to reach out to them.

1003
01:38:07,340 --> 01:38:08,120
There's no other option.

1004
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:09,100
We'll go there too.

1005
01:38:09,480 --> 01:38:10,320
We'll go there too.

1006
01:38:10,620 --> 01:38:10,760
Right.

1007
01:38:10,900 --> 01:38:11,940
There's no other option.

1008
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:12,460
Thank you.

1009
01:38:12,660 --> 01:38:14,080
And there never will be clue before.

1010
01:38:14,620 --> 01:38:14,980
Yes.

1011
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:15,960
Thank you.

1012
01:38:16,060 --> 01:38:16,920
Mr. Carl.

1013
01:38:18,180 --> 01:38:18,660
Mr. Chair.

1014
01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:23,500
You know, there were some questions at the resources.

1015
01:38:24,140 --> 01:38:30,140
event that we held because we high school that people were asking that quite frankly I don't

1016
01:38:30,140 --> 01:38:35,880
think Google answered correctly. There were people that were brought in from the company from

1017
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:40,400
other parts of the country to answer questions for people that were not familiar with the zoning

1018
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:46,640
case, they were not familiar with the roads. As an example one question that was asked is well how

1019
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:51,700
how are the workers going to get to the site and someone from Google said, well they're going

1020
01:38:51,700 --> 01:38:57,280
come up west of the parkway. Well, then they can't because in the zoning case we restricted

1021
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:00,880
it that they can't go west of the parkway because west of the park we're not going to

1022
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:09,860
get tied in the Mount Hermann Road until the very end, if they build all of these data centers,

1023
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:15,880
the construction entrances on Mount Hermann Road to the park and they can't go in any other way

1024
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:18,280
because the roads won't be tied into the very end.

1025
01:39:18,900 --> 01:39:22,580
And then, feed out will be petitioned to put

1026
01:39:22,580 --> 01:39:25,140
no-through trucks on west of the parkway.

1027
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:26,920
It's all part of the zoning case.

1028
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,040
And the people would actually go out and read the zoning case.

1029
01:39:30,940 --> 01:39:32,480
They would actually get even more information

1030
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:34,860
from the zoning case than what's actually on this website.

1031
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:36,740
And if they actually went back and watched

1032
01:39:36,740 --> 01:39:40,480
the board of supervisors' meetings that were held on this,

1033
01:39:40,580 --> 01:39:41,940
they would get a lot more information.

1034
01:39:42,700 --> 01:39:44,040
And a lot more accurate information.

1035
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:50,080
But, and so as questions come in, we have to make sure, especially if it's a question for Google,

1036
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:55,300
that we get the right information out to the community, and it can be done by here.

1037
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,900
I recommend that Google the podcast for other information to answer questions for people.

1038
01:40:00,740 --> 01:40:05,140
Because there's a lot of false information that's being portrayed out to the community,

1039
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:14,020
because no one's actually reading the actual documents or no one's actually looking back at what the

1040
01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:22,080
strict restrictions and on these companies, when this was all finally voted on in May of

1041
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:28,420
2025, which we all voted on this case. So I'm glad that this is up on glad there's a

1042
01:40:28,420 --> 01:40:31,940
lot of information that's going to be available to community, but I could hit with questions

1043
01:40:31,940 --> 01:40:36,200
to the other night from people. After they talked to Google, the answer to that Google

1044
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:40,420
game was wrong. And so we need to make sure we work with Google to make sure we get the right

1045
01:40:40,420 --> 01:40:46,780
answers to people's questions, and I'm committed to doing that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1046
01:40:53,870 --> 01:40:56,810
Thank you, Mr. Harris. Madam Clerk. Item seven reports.

1047
01:40:57,530 --> 01:41:00,810
Are there any questions regarding the reports to the Board?

1048
01:41:02,050 --> 01:41:04,290
Seeing no questions. The reports are now approved.

1049
01:41:05,670 --> 01:41:11,430
Item eight, 15 minutes citizen common period on unscheduled matters. This time is designated for citizens

1050
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:15,950
to talk to the Board of Supervisors. It is not a time for dialogue with board members,

1051
01:41:15,950 --> 01:41:18,450
and it is not a question answer period.

1052
01:41:18,890 --> 01:41:20,630
Those conversations can easily occur

1053
01:41:20,630 --> 01:41:23,350
with individual board members outside of the board meeting.

1054
01:41:23,890 --> 01:41:26,070
As a reminder, the board's procedure state,

1055
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:28,550
no citizen shall speak on any matter of business

1056
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:31,430
that is a subject on the board's agenda for that day.

1057
01:41:31,670 --> 01:41:34,410
And each speaker shall have three minutes to address the board.

1058
01:41:34,730 --> 01:41:35,990
We have three speakers.

1059
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:37,870
If they'll please speak in this order,

1060
01:41:38,350 --> 01:41:42,390
Kyle Woods, Sagar Marshall, and Jason Nap.

1061
01:41:43,050 --> 01:41:43,690
Mr. Woods.

1062
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:50,040
Welcome.

1063
01:41:55,940 --> 01:41:56,080
There you go.

1064
01:41:56,300 --> 01:41:56,540
Thank you.

1065
01:41:57,020 --> 01:41:57,780
There we go.

1066
01:41:58,320 --> 01:41:58,740
Good afternoon.

1067
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:00,580
The name is Conwoods.

1068
01:42:00,660 --> 01:42:01,840
I've spoken with some of you.

1069
01:42:01,980 --> 01:42:03,580
I've worked with some of you.

1070
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:08,340
I've had the unique experience of learning a lot about government.

1071
01:42:09,380 --> 01:42:15,780
Most recently I was working at the executive administrative part of the Attorney General's

1072
01:42:15,780 --> 01:42:16,200
office.

1073
01:42:16,780 --> 01:42:18,680
And so I've learned a lot about government.

1074
01:42:19,340 --> 01:42:24,140
Prior to that, I was special agent with the State Inspector General and prior to that,

1075
01:42:24,140 --> 01:42:31,460
over a decade here in Chesterfield as police officer and so I know how government works to the best that I know.

1076
01:42:32,260 --> 01:42:38,940
I'm here to talk about the data center and not particularly about the impact that it's going to have,

1077
01:42:39,380 --> 01:42:45,880
but about the deal that was set up and where two of the locations are.

1078
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:54,560
The deal, as it is, right, if we can all say it's $24 per $100 which is fine, the issue

1079
01:42:54,560 --> 01:43:00,960
I have is that this board set future boards to never change that.

1080
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:08,820
And I mean that because there is a loophole in the EDA that says any board in the future,

1081
01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:15,580
if you change this, we'll come back as a grant, right, so no board can actually limit

1082
01:43:15,580 --> 01:43:23,300
the next board's ability to tax. And so a loophole is what you put in there. That is not

1083
01:43:23,300 --> 01:43:31,380
right. That is not right. Another thing that I don't understand from living here for so long

1084
01:43:32,620 --> 01:43:40,540
is the eastern part of this county was always industrial. We now have two industrial data centers

1085
01:43:40,540 --> 01:43:42,720
going in next to schools.

1086
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:46,540
I don't know how you justify that,

1087
01:43:46,780 --> 01:43:49,040
I don't know how you tell your citizens,

1088
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:51,080
this is okay,

1089
01:43:51,540 --> 01:43:53,940
I don't understand the reasoning behind it

1090
01:43:53,940 --> 01:43:55,720
other than a spreadsheet,

1091
01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:58,100
a spreadsheet of numbers,

1092
01:43:59,180 --> 01:44:02,720
outweighed the quality of life for citizens.

1093
01:44:03,980 --> 01:44:05,060
That is what happened.

1094
01:44:06,700 --> 01:44:09,980
I'm requesting a couple of things from the board.

1095
01:44:09,980 --> 01:44:12,660
The first one is

1096
01:44:15,610 --> 01:44:17,830
to direct the county attorney,

1097
01:44:18,010 --> 01:44:21,670
to write an opinion on the grant bank clause,

1098
01:44:21,850 --> 01:44:24,270
and to request an official attorney general's opinion

1099
01:44:24,270 --> 01:44:28,870
under section 2.2-505 on whether it binds future bonds,

1100
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:31,670
or boards, excuse me.

1101
01:44:32,670 --> 01:44:36,230
I request that you create a commission on data center tax,

1102
01:44:36,650 --> 01:44:38,690
rate studies, like Hanover just did.

1103
01:44:39,690 --> 01:44:41,770
I request that you adopt a policy that no more

1104
01:44:41,770 --> 01:44:46,030
in DAs and no more votes on deals hidden behind shell companies.

1105
01:44:48,210 --> 01:44:58,850
My last request is that under code section 15.2-2511 Subsection B, the board can order the state

1106
01:44:58,850 --> 01:44:59,410
audit.

1107
01:45:01,220 --> 01:45:10,820
Auditor of Public Accounts, and it can look over the EDA's data center land deals, the incentive agreements, and the projections behind them.

1108
01:45:10,940 --> 01:45:12,840
Mr. Woods, your three minutes, sir.

1109
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:21,660
Those are the things I wish. Those are the things that I would like to see happen. Just for the public's purpose.

1110
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:26,500
You know, you have to convince me that the commercial tax basis what we need, I agree.

1111
01:45:26,500 --> 01:45:32,700
I think the placement and the way that this was handled in our future boards is at stake.

1112
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:34,300
Thank you.

1113
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:38,490
Mr Marshall?

1114
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:54,500
Members of the board.

1115
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:56,660
My name is Sega Marshall.

1116
01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:58,860
I'm wife and I own land.

1117
01:45:59,660 --> 01:46:06,200
It's going to be surrounded by the sawmill development.

1118
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:15,620
upon looking up information on things.

1119
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:23,580
Some male development with Horton has to provide

1120
01:46:23,580 --> 01:46:33,040
the third lane from the poetic extension parkway

1121
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:36,300
to a bad-to-dose road I believe.

1122
01:46:36,300 --> 01:46:45,840
or I think it might be even further than that, but so Horton had a meeting with two of Horton's

1123
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:53,360
representatives and they said, well, they didn't want to buy my land and it is for sale,

1124
01:46:54,080 --> 01:47:04,860
but it's agricultural. And I understand now that, you know, they, they softly,

1125
01:47:04,860 --> 01:47:06,040
I

1126
01:47:08,190 --> 01:47:17,790
said that they could get a right away on my land through intimate domain.

1127
01:47:21,580 --> 01:47:30,160
We found information from the Department of Transportation is borrowed from condemning agricultural

1128
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:33,820
property for private economic development.

1129
01:47:35,480 --> 01:47:44,840
So, I want to know if they can still do that, do what they say they can do.

1130
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:58,080
And I know there's an intimate domain, really, it's only people that could do intimate

1131
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:04,580
And the main in the state is the state, the local, or county, restrictions.

1132
01:48:06,260 --> 01:48:14,960
So I wonder one thing, are you all going to honor the thing from the Department of Transportation

1133
01:48:15,660 --> 01:48:21,400
to board from condemning agricultural property for private economic development?

1134
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:23,180
That's one of my questions.

1135
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:39,180
And we both had land in the 70s when I got out of college and both a land that was my wife's great-great-grandfather's.

1136
01:48:40,180 --> 01:48:51,520
And so it's been in the family for years and it's been as far as I know agricultural property since before the mid-1900s.

1137
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:55,280
maybe even early late 1800s.

1138
01:48:55,660 --> 01:48:57,760
So yeah, I want to, you know,

1139
01:48:57,900 --> 01:49:02,300
I want to see if my land is probably protected.

1140
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:05,720
Mr. Marshall, you're three minutes a wrap?

1141
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:11,010
All right, want done

1142
01:49:15,230 --> 01:49:16,390
any questions?

1143
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:20,300
What's that?

1144
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:22,400
You stick around for a little bit until we break?

1145
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:23,280
Yes.

1146
01:49:23,480 --> 01:49:24,060
Thank you.

1147
01:49:29,020 --> 01:49:31,060
Our last speaker is Jason Nap.

1148
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:53,170
Good afternoon.

1149
01:49:53,570 --> 01:49:54,970
My name is Jason Nap.

1150
01:49:54,970 --> 01:50:00,550
I am a resident of Northumberland County, but I am a retired Navy Commander, a former combat

1151
01:50:00,550 --> 01:50:05,690
aviator. But I'm here speaking to you now as a Democratic candidate for Congress in the

1152
01:50:05,690 --> 01:50:11,490
Virginia's first district. Last week, 600, as you mentioned, of your residents asked basic

1153
01:50:11,490 --> 01:50:17,370
questions at Google's open houses. Questions regarding the build of their proposed data centers.

1154
01:50:17,590 --> 01:50:22,270
How much water is it going to take, how much power will it use, and what happens to deep creek?

1155
01:50:22,270 --> 01:50:26,090
They didn't get answers, and here's what else they didn't get, accountability.

1156
01:50:27,090 --> 01:50:31,370
Not one word said at these open houses is documented, it's not official, and it's not

1157
01:50:31,370 --> 01:50:32,390
part of any proceeding.

1158
01:50:33,370 --> 01:50:38,570
Three Google campuses are planning to use more than 1,500 acres, the largest land used

1159
01:50:38,570 --> 01:50:41,270
decision in this county's modern history.

1160
01:50:41,670 --> 01:50:45,210
But there is one place where what citizens think and say does count.

1161
01:50:45,650 --> 01:50:51,010
Google needs a federal permit from the US core of Army engineers, US core of engineers, because

1162
01:50:51,010 --> 01:50:57,330
projects sky, one of these campuses would require them to fill in wetlands and streams.

1163
01:50:57,990 --> 01:51:03,870
Federal law requires the court to take comments from the public and consider every single

1164
01:51:03,870 --> 01:51:11,330
one of them. That comment period is open right now. And it closes on Monday, July 28th.

1165
01:51:11,550 --> 01:51:16,930
To file comment, it takes just five minutes online. And the most important part is what

1166
01:51:16,930 --> 01:51:22,430
everyone writes becomes part of the federal record. Citizens should ask for a public hearing

1167
01:51:22,430 --> 01:51:28,070
and gesture field and ask the core to evaluate not just projects sky but all three

1168
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:34,170
sites together. Ask them to require the company to put its water numbers in the writing

1169
01:51:34,170 --> 01:51:40,910
in writing before any permit is granted. We need a better understanding of these data centers.

1170
01:51:40,910 --> 01:51:49,650
State analysts projected data center growth will continue to add cost and expense to every ordinary family's electric bill.

1171
01:51:49,970 --> 01:51:57,690
These costs will continue to increase if they are not born by if they are born by rapiers and not the companies who will profit from these systems.

1172
01:51:58,170 --> 01:52:02,930
The people who make these decisions are rarely, if ever, truly the ones who end up paying for them.

1173
01:52:03,170 --> 01:52:07,790
Because many times it does not appear or happen at public hearings or in a public forum.

1174
01:52:07,790 --> 01:52:13,210
Until Monday, you and all of your neighbors have a rare chance to be on the record about this.

1175
01:52:13,550 --> 01:52:16,010
I hope they take it and I hope the board joins them in this.

1176
01:52:16,210 --> 01:52:19,890
This is happening across the district data center proposals in multiple counties.

1177
01:52:20,530 --> 01:52:25,270
The same lack of public process, the same questions about who pays and that's a problem.

1178
01:52:25,770 --> 01:52:32,190
So later this afternoon, we will be posting step-by-step instructions on our campaign website at jsonnapforcongress.com

1179
01:52:32,190 --> 01:52:33,950
On how to submit a comment.

1180
01:52:33,950 --> 01:52:38,430
a second he can't he can't run for right here you're going to have this you have the

1181
01:52:38,430 --> 01:52:43,770
pause on actually engaging in political this is this part is not political campaigning

1182
01:52:43,770 --> 01:52:49,290
we're providing if that by step instructions for how I only have one website so up how to

1183
01:52:49,290 --> 01:52:52,110
right but you're providing it to your campaign with sites and that that is

1184
01:52:52,110 --> 01:52:57,250
prohibiting the four times we will find another avenue for you I appreciate that yes sir

1185
01:52:58,010 --> 01:53:04,690
I would recommend you Google how to submit a public comment.

1186
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:06,190
Thank you sir. I appreciate it.

1187
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:07,090
Yes sir.

1188
01:53:07,590 --> 01:53:09,430
But it again, it only takes five minutes.

1189
01:53:09,870 --> 01:53:12,490
And it matters that people voice their concerns, voice their opinions,

1190
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:14,310
ensure that their voices are heard,

1191
01:53:14,730 --> 01:53:18,170
not just in settings like this one, but at the federal level as well.

1192
01:53:18,630 --> 01:53:20,550
Thank you very much for allowing me to speak with you.

1193
01:53:20,590 --> 01:53:21,810
I appreciate the time.

1194
01:53:22,890 --> 01:53:24,070
I understand sir.

1195
01:53:25,610 --> 01:53:30,570
I appreciate it, and 1% thanks very much.

1196
01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:41,840
Item 9, closed session A, pursuant to section 2.2-3711A3, code of Virginia 1950 is amended

1197
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:46,900
to discuss the acquisition by the county of real estate for a public purpose, or the

1198
01:53:46,900 --> 01:53:51,880
disposition of publicly held real property where discussion and an open meeting would

1199
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:56,500
adversely affect the bargaining position and negotiating strategy of the public body.

1200
01:53:56,500 --> 01:53:59,060
Mr. Chair, we need a motion to go into closed session.

1201
01:53:59,500 --> 01:54:00,940
Can I get a motion please?

1202
01:54:02,260 --> 01:54:03,140
I guess second.

1203
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:04,800
Before, can we have a little discussion?

1204
01:54:05,020 --> 01:54:07,060
I know a couple people want to talk to somebody first.

1205
01:54:07,220 --> 01:54:11,100
Can we have a five minute break and then go into closed session and it's part of the

1206
01:54:11,100 --> 01:54:11,380
motion?

1207
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:12,740
Yeah, that'd be fine.

1208
01:54:14,060 --> 01:54:14,220
All right.

1209
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:15,520
Can we just get that motion?

1210
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:16,920
It sounds like I do have one.

1211
01:54:17,220 --> 01:54:17,760
Can I get a second?

1212
01:54:17,860 --> 01:54:18,200
Second.

1213
01:54:18,660 --> 01:54:19,180
Hall of favor?

1214
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:19,820
All right.

1215
01:54:19,860 --> 01:54:21,100
We are in closed session.

1216
01:54:21,380 --> 01:54:21,580
We're not.

1217
01:54:21,900 --> 01:54:22,260
We're not.

1218
01:54:22,260 --> 01:54:23,260
Let's have five minutes.

1219
01:55:30,890 --> 01:55:38,050
Good evening everyone.

1220
01:55:38,850 --> 01:55:44,130
And welcome to the evening session of the July 22nd of Board of Supervisors Meeting.

1221
01:55:44,850 --> 01:55:55,010
I want to let you know that I have verified that all Board members have received copies of the comments posted on the online comment portal for consideration on the matters before us tonight.

1222
01:55:55,810 --> 01:56:00,430
These comments are part of the public record and will be attached to the meeting minutes.

1223
01:56:01,050 --> 01:56:04,390
At this time I'd like to invite Dr. Hilton to give the invocation.

1224
01:56:06,980 --> 01:56:13,900
may we all bow. We thank you for the opportunity to serve our community. Grant this board

1225
01:56:13,900 --> 01:56:20,720
wisdom to make sound decisions. Courage to do what's right and humility to listen with respect

1226
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:27,780
to one another and to the citizens we represent. Help us set aside personal interests, seek the

1227
01:56:27,780 --> 01:56:35,740
common good, and steward the public's trust with integrity. Bless our first responders, educators,

1228
01:56:35,740 --> 01:56:42,100
public servants, military members, and all who work each day to strengthen our community.

1229
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:49,500
May our deliberation tonight be thoughtful, respectful, and guided by a spirit of cooperation

1230
01:56:49,500 --> 01:56:52,020
for the benefit of all, amen.

1231
01:56:54,530 --> 01:56:58,990
We would like to call forward interim County Administrator Matt Harris to lead the Pledge of Allegiance.

1232
01:57:01,460 --> 01:57:08,360
pledge allegiance to the flag of the nine states of America and to the Republic for which

1233
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:15,260
the stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, will liberty and justice for all.

1234
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:28,800
I am 13 board member reports. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Who are we going to be starting

1235
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:35,440
with this evening on the board report so if I could ask you? I think I think Mr.

1236
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:39,180
angle you're asking. Yeah, he's good. So we don't need to work with Mr.

1237
01:57:39,180 --> 01:57:42,500
Engel this evening. Who would be Dex? Mr. Schneider?

1238
01:57:42,500 --> 01:57:42,900
I

1239
01:57:46,030 --> 01:57:47,130
wasn't prepared for that, sorry.

1240
01:57:50,820 --> 01:57:54,080
So I had the pleasure of attending the ribbon cutting

1241
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:59,740
event for this beautifully restored home in my own neighborhood.

1242
01:58:02,340 --> 01:58:03,540
Through a partnership with

1243
01:58:03,540 --> 01:58:07,800
Habitat Humanity and funding from the community development block grant this house has

1244
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:11,220
and revitalized in a neighborhood,

1245
01:58:11,220 --> 01:58:15,700
concerned, in to stunt, or, okay,

1246
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:20,960
affordable housing for a mom and her two kids.

1247
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:23,020
Mr. Mark will transformation occurred,

1248
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:27,120
because of so many people volunteering in the community.

1249
01:58:28,140 --> 01:58:29,840
My husband and I and some of our neighbors

1250
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:32,940
went and volunteered for a whole day.

1251
01:58:33,140 --> 01:58:35,600
I put the flooring in the master bedroom.

1252
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:45,800
It's just a great community project and I was actually the board president when this situation

1253
01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:53,820
and this house was having the people who were living there were having a difficult time managing

1254
01:58:53,820 --> 01:58:58,960
it on their own and it had fallen into disrepair and so when I first got into office this

1255
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:02,660
was one of the things that I really wanted to because it had become a blight on the community.

1256
01:59:02,660 --> 01:59:09,700
it was sitting unattended for a while. And so this is such a great full circle moment,

1257
01:59:10,340 --> 01:59:17,480
way to turn a bad thing into a wonderful new home for a young family. So that concludes my report.

1258
01:59:19,380 --> 01:59:21,860
Thank you, Mr. Senator. Dr. Helen.

1259
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,940
My report is mostly just

1260
01:59:30,790 --> 01:59:33,290
to bring thanks to the staff who

1261
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:49,480
We cut the ribbon on a mobile unit that will offer behavioral health treatment and so I just want to thank the behavioral health folks that made sure that that was possible.

1262
01:59:50,360 --> 02:00:00,000
And so just a moment of appreciation for them in their efforts to make sure that the county is equipped with all the tools necessary to provide critical service.

1263
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,500
This is to those who need it most when they're suffering behavioral health issues for treatment.

1264
02:00:07,220 --> 02:00:10,100
So beyond that, that concludes my board report.

1265
02:00:10,980 --> 02:00:12,620
Thank you, Dr. Haylton, Mr. Carroll.

1266
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:25,580
Thank you, Mr. Chair. This first event to the concerns of Etrek, as you can see, worked very

1267
02:00:25,580 --> 02:00:33,520
hard and diligently dispenser through the state, a request for historical marker on site of

1268
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:41,560
what used to be, which is now the Maggie Walker Community Trust. It's called Ethric Landing.

1269
02:00:42,900 --> 02:00:49,980
They used to be the dupe annex there, a dupe elementary school, and there's a lot of history to that.

1270
02:00:49,980 --> 02:00:56,240
And I will say that one of the things that's amazing in them, I'm trying to pull the

1271
02:00:56,240 --> 02:00:59,180
historical mark real bright now because I want to read it.

1272
02:01:00,440 --> 02:01:05,100
Tester County opened a school here for African-American students in January of 1962.

1273
02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:10,600
Well, then seven years after the U.S. Supreme Court's Brown versus the Board decision,

1274
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:15,680
after several black students supplied to attend all white schools, but were assigned to

1275
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:20,820
due to the state pupil placement board, which frequently acted to preserve segregation.

1276
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:27,460
Family sued and federal court with the assistance of the Virginia NAACP.

1277
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:32,680
McLeod V. Chesterfield led to the county's first enrollment by black students in a previously

1278
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:40,340
all-white school in November 1962. Chesterfield adopted a freedom of choice plan in 1966

1279
02:01:40,340 --> 02:01:43,080
and fully, he segregated in 1970.

1280
02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:46,680
Do you people came home and annexed to Ethric Elementary

1281
02:01:47,180 --> 02:01:48,820
and was demolished in 2020?

1282
02:01:49,100 --> 02:01:50,620
And that's when the land was converted

1283
02:01:51,140 --> 02:01:52,820
over to the Maggie Walker Land Trust.

1284
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:55,200
We're now, we have 10 beautiful homes.

1285
02:01:55,380 --> 02:01:59,400
And in that picture, you see a gentleman with a yellow shirt.

1286
02:02:00,540 --> 02:02:04,100
And that gentleman was one of the first African-Americans

1287
02:02:04,700 --> 02:02:08,200
allowed to go to a white school here in Chesterfield County.

1288
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:12,200
And he gave a tremendous speech, I don't know you.

1289
02:02:12,580 --> 02:02:14,460
Yeah, Jessica was there as well.

1290
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:18,520
And so that historical is out there for the community to see.

1291
02:02:19,180 --> 02:02:23,440
And I think it's important as I said that day that we never forget history.

1292
02:02:24,900 --> 02:02:27,600
Good, or bad in our community, we never forget history.

1293
02:02:27,940 --> 02:02:34,720
And I commend the Conservatives as a metric for working diligently to help get that historical marker past next.

1294
02:02:36,220 --> 02:02:41,700
I participated in Chesapeille Food Bank event at Virginia State University, organized by the Chesapeille

1295
02:02:41,700 --> 02:02:44,700
Chapter of the Virginia State University Alumni Association.

1296
02:02:45,620 --> 02:02:49,780
Their mission extends beyond supplying food that those need to aim to empower individuals

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02:02:49,780 --> 02:02:52,400
and families to address the root causes of food and security.

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02:02:53,420 --> 02:02:56,620
This is a comprehensive variety of programs, services, and community resources.

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02:02:56,620 --> 02:03:00,040
All made possible by the generous support of businesses and individuals.

1300
02:03:00,820 --> 02:03:02,980
And there was a big turnout.

1301
02:03:03,020 --> 02:03:06,900
This was down at Virginia State University at the multipurpose building.

1302
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:09,340
Mr. Chair, that concludes my report.

1303
02:03:09,900 --> 02:03:11,200
Thank you, Mr. Carol.

1304
02:03:14,280 --> 02:03:20,040
So first what you're looking at here are the pictures of six new firefighters that we've got through.

1305
02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:24,840
I graduated just recently through the Recruis School number 72.

1306
02:03:26,620 --> 02:03:28,580
I think they started out with a dozen.

1307
02:03:29,620 --> 02:03:32,680
and six-rable to get through, it just kind of is

1308
02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:36,360
use sense of how rigorous the training is.

1309
02:03:36,620 --> 02:03:38,160
It's six months, if I remember correctly,

1310
02:03:38,740 --> 02:03:41,980
they graduated on July 2nd, and I just want to take a moment,

1311
02:03:42,720 --> 02:03:45,900
and really appreciate them because they are the now

1312
02:03:46,420 --> 02:03:49,780
proud members at Chesterfield to fire in the MS family.

1313
02:03:50,340 --> 02:03:51,940
So congratulations to the six.

1314
02:04:00,670 --> 02:04:02,010
Next, what you're looking at there,

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02:04:02,010 --> 02:04:03,530
and I have to start here, but I,

1316
02:04:03,530 --> 02:04:09,270
This night or night had the privilege of attending the 2026 NACO Annual Conference, and this

1317
02:04:09,270 --> 02:04:15,270
is a conference where there are through over 3,000 counties and parishes and, of course,

1318
02:04:15,330 --> 02:04:21,270
what it is, parishes, counties and burrows that are throughout the country.

1319
02:04:21,650 --> 02:04:24,650
We had the opportunity to spend some time with them.

1320
02:04:24,750 --> 02:04:29,590
It was an opportunity for us to, just a few days of valuable education, collaboration, networking.

1321
02:04:29,590 --> 02:04:34,430
And it's just what Kenny was proud to be recognized as the best in category for libraries

1322
02:04:35,690 --> 02:04:41,010
for their read to recovery, expanding access to opioid recovery resources.

1323
02:04:42,030 --> 02:04:43,490
So that's this here.

1324
02:04:44,670 --> 02:04:51,590
Best in category is a really big deal with Niko, and to be up against 3,000 parishes

1325
02:04:51,590 --> 02:04:56,050
and boroughs and counties, and to be the best in category for our libraries.

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02:04:56,050 --> 02:04:59,650
that really is something that is truly to behold.

1327
02:05:00,370 --> 02:05:02,310
The event throughout the event participates

1328
02:05:02,310 --> 02:05:05,550
engaged in educational summits and caucus meetings,

1329
02:05:06,290 --> 02:05:08,490
where they shared ideas, exchange local insights,

1330
02:05:08,970 --> 02:05:11,870
and explore solutions, and implement in their own counties.

1331
02:05:12,650 --> 02:05:16,230
So I just wanted to come sitting with there

1332
02:05:16,230 --> 02:05:18,310
or standing there with is the president of Niko,

1333
02:05:19,250 --> 02:05:21,930
and just really proud of just real county

1334
02:05:21,930 --> 02:05:23,990
and certainly proud for the libraries

1335
02:05:23,990 --> 02:05:25,410
and what they were able to accomplish.

1336
02:05:29,690 --> 02:05:32,830
Before we go into talking about the web page,

1337
02:05:33,290 --> 02:05:35,370
I want to invite Mr. Harris to come up

1338
02:05:35,370 --> 02:05:40,050
and talk a little bit about what we've been able to create

1339
02:05:40,050 --> 02:05:45,070
over the last month or so with regard to information

1340
02:05:46,010 --> 02:05:49,330
around data centers and what's happening here in Chesterfield.

1341
02:05:49,530 --> 02:05:52,110
I want to appreciate Mr. Harris and staff

1342
02:05:52,110 --> 02:05:54,650
for taking just wonderful direction of the board

1343
02:05:54,650 --> 02:06:00,210
to move forward to ensure that we are as transparent as we possibly can be.

1344
02:06:00,570 --> 02:06:01,170
So, Mr. Harris,

1345
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:06,780
thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the board.

1346
02:06:07,460 --> 02:06:13,480
As you note, you all have heard, as well as staff, the community interest,

1347
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:18,220
then the data center topic, and as well, and I'll point out the shoes from the topic that's on your agenda tonight.

1348
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:26,340
So, it really sort of just two quick notes, as the format's been sort of redone to accommodate that dialogue tonight on the landfill.

1349
02:06:26,340 --> 02:06:32,800
So the same is being designed for your August meeting on the data center topic and leading up

1350
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:42,160
to that, we released today this page on Cheshville.gov that focuses all the information that

1351
02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:44,400
we have thus far on data center topic.

1352
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:47,900
It's going to be Michael, if you go to the next version of this.

1353
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:51,260
So this is, again, just went live today to on Cheshville.gov.

1354
02:06:51,260 --> 02:06:57,880
you can search it, just fill the.gov back to last data centers, you can search it up on various

1355
02:06:57,880 --> 02:07:01,900
engines, there's buttons on the home page, there's lots of ways to access this. This is

1356
02:07:01,900 --> 02:07:08,340
just a screenshot of the main page there, all of those arrows expand and there's drop downs,

1357
02:07:08,660 --> 02:07:13,800
and you can get information on all of these topics. We've tried to style it around a number of

1358
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:19,180
the recurring questions that we've gotten through email phone call conversations. So this will

1359
02:07:19,180 --> 02:07:24,420
a living breathing document there's things the document that you've already asked us to add today

1360
02:07:24,420 --> 02:07:29,400
that's not part of the original draft so we'll continue to update this on on a daily basis

1361
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:35,180
and take common on it and there's something that's missing or unclear we'll continue to edit it

1362
02:07:35,180 --> 02:07:42,120
but the idea is to put the information out that's been frequently requested by the community ahead of

1363
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:47,880
that August session in this room in your evening when we'll bring county staff for it's really

1364
02:07:47,880 --> 02:07:50,920
to kind of go through all the topics that you see here.

1365
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:55,520
This almost serves as an outline for the August conversation, but didn't want to wait all the way

1366
02:07:55,520 --> 02:08:00,160
until the August board meeting, so the website is out there today, and I'm happy to take

1367
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:01,600
any questions you might have.

1368
02:08:02,580 --> 02:08:04,060
For members, do you have any questions, Commissioner?

1369
02:08:05,240 --> 02:08:12,360
So Matt, is it possible for us to put the link in here for people to submit questions for next

1370
02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:12,700
month?

1371
02:08:12,940 --> 02:08:13,860
Yes, ma'am, that's a great idea.

1372
02:08:14,120 --> 02:08:15,380
We will open up a portal.

1373
02:08:15,380 --> 02:08:19,720
just thinking that we the best place for it to be so it's all in one spot. Fantastic. Yep. We

1374
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:24,500
absolutely take care of that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And if it's a question that's already

1375
02:08:24,500 --> 02:08:32,260
on this portal, we just need to make sure that we direct them to where that is. So that they

1376
02:08:32,260 --> 02:08:35,800
can find it. If it's already on there, put a few new questions that are coming up for sure. Yeah, absolutely.

1377
02:08:35,960 --> 02:08:41,020
We're monitoring the questions that come in a daily basis. We don't want to, we have the four-year portal

1378
02:08:41,020 --> 02:08:44,980
and it doesn't take the place to that, but if we want it to be easier for someone,

1379
02:08:44,980 --> 02:08:49,520
some that can access if they have questions or we're in document, they can get that immediately.

1380
02:08:50,140 --> 02:08:54,860
So we've used the FOIA portal to really kind of style a lot of the information that's on here

1381
02:08:54,860 --> 02:08:59,760
and if we continue to get FOIAs on certain pieces, we'll just transfer that over here so that

1382
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:02,720
subsequent requests can just be handled in matter of moments.

1383
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:03,720
Right, yep.

1384
02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:04,640
Thank you.

1385
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:05,760
Any questions from my board?

1386
02:09:05,860 --> 02:09:06,760
Dr. Hilton?

1387
02:09:08,940 --> 02:09:09,320
Anybody else?

1388
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:10,140
Great.

1389
02:09:10,140 --> 02:09:10,960
Thank you, Mr. Harris.

1390
02:09:11,280 --> 02:09:11,440
Yes, sir.

1391
02:09:13,820 --> 02:09:15,040
And finally, just going back.

1392
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:21,020
Lastly, the board report webpage includes updates, shared at each meeting, features districts,

1393
02:09:22,440 --> 02:09:25,940
involvement with what we're doing, and recent accomplishments.

1394
02:09:26,780 --> 02:09:28,980
You can subscribe to the district updates.

1395
02:09:29,180 --> 02:09:36,760
List to receive report reports in your mailbox or scan as you need to.

1396
02:09:37,420 --> 02:09:40,040
So that includes my report.

1397
02:09:40,820 --> 02:09:41,820
Thank you, Madam Clerk.

1398
02:09:41,820 --> 02:09:48,320
Item 14, Resolutions and Special Recognitions, A, Recognizing Mrs. Melissa Hoy, commonwealth

1399
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:53,180
attorney's office for 28 years of service with Ms. Hoy and her guest please join the board

1400
02:09:53,180 --> 02:09:54,040
on the stage.

1401
02:10:30,730 --> 02:10:33,530
Thank you. All right, let's go ahead and read the Resolution Madam Clerk.

1402
02:10:35,250 --> 02:10:39,890
Whereas Mrs. Melissa H. Hoy left her position with the Chesterfield County Commonwealth

1403
02:10:39,890 --> 02:10:46,110
attorney's office having been appointed to the 12th judicial district court bench on June 26,

1404
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:51,770
2026 after providing 28 years of dedicated service to the residents of Chesterfield County.

1405
02:10:52,670 --> 02:10:56,990
And whereas Mrs. Hoy demonstrated exceptional dedication throughout her career,

1406
02:10:57,370 --> 02:11:01,310
consistently conducting herself with courtesy, professionalism, and grace.

1407
02:11:02,030 --> 02:11:07,670
And whereas Mrs. Hoy's extensive knowledge and experience have made her not only an

1408
02:11:07,670 --> 02:11:12,790
indispensable resource within the county, but also a valued mentor to staff and colleagues.

1409
02:11:13,630 --> 02:11:17,950
And whereas Mrs. Hoy has dedicated her career to the service and protection of

1410
02:11:17,950 --> 02:11:23,850
Chesterfield County community members. And whereas Mrs. Hoy's strong work ethic and

1411
02:11:23,850 --> 02:11:28,670
high standards have motivated everyone she has worked with to strive for excellence, while

1412
02:11:28,670 --> 02:11:33,030
her compassionate nature and open door approach have earned the respect, trust, and

1413
02:11:33,030 --> 02:11:35,690
admiration of those who work with her.

1414
02:11:35,850 --> 02:11:40,610
And whereas as a result of her competence and dedication, Mrs. Hoy has been a true ambassador

1415
02:11:40,610 --> 02:11:44,270
of the county setting a standard of excellence for all who follow.

1416
02:11:45,330 --> 02:11:50,130
And whereas Mrs. Hoy has always rendered invaluable service and supportive law enforcement

1417
02:11:50,130 --> 02:11:55,230
with a high degree of professionalism and will be sorely missed by all who wish her the best

1418
02:11:55,230 --> 02:11:57,330
as she transitions to her new appointment.

1419
02:11:58,310 --> 02:12:02,710
Now therefore be it resolved that the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors this 22nd

1420
02:12:02,710 --> 02:12:09,470
of July 2026 publicly recognizes Mrs. Melissa H. Hoy and extends her own behalf of its members

1421
02:12:09,470 --> 02:12:14,710
and the residents of Chesterfield County appreciation for 28 years of exceptional service

1422
02:12:14,710 --> 02:12:19,250
to the county. And be it further resolved that a copy of this resolution be presented

1423
02:12:19,250 --> 02:12:24,070
to Mrs. Hoy and that this resolution be permanently recorded among the papers of the Board

1424
02:12:24,070 --> 02:12:26,770
of Supervisors of Chesterfield County, Virginia.

1425
02:12:27,310 --> 02:12:30,790
Thank you, Madam Clerk. Can I get a motion? Motion to prove again. Second.

1426
02:12:30,790 --> 02:12:33,530
year a second, all in favor of say aye.

1427
02:12:39,830 --> 02:12:43,250
So it's dangerous to hand me this microphone to talk about Melissa.

1428
02:12:44,350 --> 02:12:48,290
I know everyone has pressing business here, so I will try to be brief, but it is really

1429
02:12:48,290 --> 02:12:54,790
difficult to sum up the impact that Melissa's had on our community, on our state, in

1430
02:12:54,790 --> 02:12:58,910
nationwide for prosecutors and the example she has set.

1431
02:12:59,150 --> 02:13:00,930
Melissa's been a lawyer for 34 years.

1432
02:13:00,950 --> 02:13:03,950
She just took the bench to life first in Chesterfield.

1433
02:13:03,950 --> 02:13:09,090
28 of those years, she served in the Commonwealth Attorney's office here in Chesterfield.

1434
02:13:09,770 --> 02:13:13,070
15 of those 28 years, she was in a leadership position.

1435
02:13:13,670 --> 02:13:18,810
So that means she served five different Commonwealth attorneys in leadership positions

1436
02:13:18,810 --> 02:13:21,630
and assisted the office through those transitions.

1437
02:13:21,870 --> 02:13:24,190
Five different transitions of administration.

1438
02:13:25,390 --> 02:13:30,250
During that time, she also served as a special assistant to the U.S. Attorney's Office,

1439
02:13:30,250 --> 02:13:35,650
representing Chester in that Chester field in that capacity, and she did a number of,

1440
02:13:35,650 --> 02:13:37,230
she has done a number of other things.

1441
02:13:37,630 --> 02:13:43,110
She's taught just about every agency, in Chester Field County, just about every law enforcement

1442
02:13:43,110 --> 02:13:48,870
or prosecution, training, conference, statewide, and has also presented and represented

1443
02:13:48,870 --> 02:13:51,450
us nationwide throughout her career.

1444
02:13:51,850 --> 02:13:55,330
She has been the President of the Chester Field Bar Association.

1445
02:13:56,350 --> 02:14:03,350
She has, I believe, was the Chesterfield employee of the year in 2010, has won two awards,

1446
02:14:04,130 --> 02:14:10,150
won given out by our statewide organization for lecture of the year, and then also for

1447
02:14:10,150 --> 02:14:13,030
the statewide prosecutor of the year in 2024.

1448
02:14:13,950 --> 02:14:16,050
Throughout that time, that sounds like a lot.

1449
02:14:16,210 --> 02:14:17,630
She has volunteered in the community.

1450
02:14:17,870 --> 02:14:23,570
She's given back her time on boards and committees in the schools, and then as the resolution

1451
02:14:23,570 --> 02:14:29,470
said has been an extreme mentor to not only two decades of prosecutors coming through our office,

1452
02:14:29,750 --> 02:14:35,310
but also law enforcement that work with her and train with her and have worked on cases with her.

1453
02:14:35,350 --> 02:14:40,910
In fact, mentored me as a young prosecutor and continues to do so throughout my career.

1454
02:14:42,350 --> 02:14:48,690
Now, in addition to all of that, if any of you have seen Ms. Hoy in court, she is one of the most

1455
02:14:48,690 --> 02:14:54,590
phenomenal prosecutors and I would argue not just Chesterfield County not just the state of Virginia

1456
02:14:54,590 --> 02:14:59,990
but nationwide. She has handled some of the most heinous cases that have happened.

1457
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,600
And in Chesterfield County, has done it with an incredible work ethic, has done it with an incredible

1458
02:15:06,620 --> 02:15:12,580
devotion to the law, and has represented our community in that capacity. I know those things

1459
02:15:12,580 --> 02:15:18,600
she will take with her to the bench, that work ethic, that devotion and love of the law. And I am

1460
02:15:18,600 --> 02:15:25,440
so proud to present, I'm going to ask Mr. Hilton to present the brick. And it is so appropriate that

1461
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:32,020
The companion will be placed outside of the old courthouse here in Chesterfield, very appropriate

1462
02:15:32,020 --> 02:15:36,560
along with a number of other legends who have come through our office, and that's what

1463
02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:42,820
Ms. Hoy has been, as she's a legend, still making her impact on the community in a different

1464
02:15:42,820 --> 02:15:43,180
way.

1465
02:15:43,180 --> 02:15:49,600
Our office will greatly miss her, but so glad to know that she's still serving our community and

1466
02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:51,680
the capacity as a general district court judge.

1467
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:52,540
Thank you.

1468
02:16:01,120 --> 02:16:01,660
Thank

1469
02:16:04,570 --> 02:16:12,190
you for what you've done for our citizens in the courthouse to make sure not only

1470
02:16:12,190 --> 02:16:17,230
prosecution took place, but that when it wasn't appropriate, that it didn't take place.

1471
02:16:17,470 --> 02:16:22,510
So thank you for understanding the law and how it should work and how it should be applied.

1472
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:24,670
That's why they made you a judge, right?

1473
02:16:26,850 --> 02:16:32,370
And as I tell most of the judges that I've come in contact with in the county, I hope to

1474
02:16:32,370 --> 02:16:34,230
you often, but never in your courtroom.

1475
02:16:44,480 --> 02:16:51,360
So, when they talked about the 2024 award that she won for the statewide award, that

1476
02:16:51,360 --> 02:16:55,020
award is named after another prosecutor that was here in Chester County Warren Vaughn

1477
02:16:55,020 --> 02:16:55,340
shook.

1478
02:16:56,320 --> 02:17:00,000
In one of Melissa's first cases that she prosecuted was a case with Warren Vaughn

1479
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:00,400
shook.

1480
02:17:01,020 --> 02:17:02,760
It was also a case that I helped investigate.

1481
02:17:03,860 --> 02:17:09,000
And James Hoover was shot on the side of the road on his motorcycle on his way home

1482
02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:14,760
four o'clock in the morning by five kids from Hopewell that decided it was time to get paid.

1483
02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:20,680
And Melissa working with the detective division, working with us, we build a tremendous

1484
02:17:20,680 --> 02:17:26,520
case, we convicted all of them, including Sanchez, who I believe is still in prison.

1485
02:17:28,640 --> 02:17:33,080
Your years of experience, what you've done, if you've never spent a time in the courtroom

1486
02:17:33,080 --> 02:17:38,580
to actually see the case load that a Commonwealth attorney has to handle every day.

1487
02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:44,120
It's amazing and so we're going to miss you on this side of the bench and we're going to

1488
02:17:44,120 --> 02:17:45,960
be happy you're on the other side of the bench.

1489
02:17:46,500 --> 02:17:50,500
You've done an outstanding job for a community and I know you continue to do that so congratulations

1490
02:17:51,240 --> 02:17:52,220
and it will deserve.

1491
02:17:52,380 --> 02:17:53,320
Thank you.

1492
02:17:55,700 --> 02:18:02,360
I'm just going to add that when your reputation proceeds you as two things, one was already

1493
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:09,100
said one of the sharpest legal minds in the country and legendary. So very, very excited for

1494
02:18:09,100 --> 02:18:13,620
your next step and congratulations and thank you for everything that you continue to do for

1495
02:18:13,620 --> 02:18:14,180
Chesterfield.

1496
02:18:14,600 --> 02:18:14,960
Thank you.

1497
02:18:20,080 --> 02:18:26,500
I just really appreciate this recognition but it doesn't come without the colleagues that I've

1498
02:18:26,500 --> 02:18:31,780
worked with, the law enforcement I've worked with over the years. I'm only as good as the

1499
02:18:31,780 --> 02:18:38,360
around me, the cases that were well-investigated, the law enforcement officers who run

1500
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:43,700
to and rerun away, you know, I'm always appreciative of all of them and their hard work.

1501
02:18:44,140 --> 02:18:48,880
And my colleagues, you know, having been in our office for 28 years, I have colleagues

1502
02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:55,000
that are older than me and much younger than me, and I learned something new from them

1503
02:18:55,000 --> 02:19:00,300
every day and it kept me energized and learning the law and loving the law and continuing

1504
02:19:00,300 --> 02:19:04,480
to do it with integrity and fairness and compassion.

1505
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:08,000
So thank you so much for this recognition I appreciate it.

1506
02:19:43,470 --> 02:19:43,890
Adam Kirk?

1507
02:19:44,130 --> 02:19:48,350
I can 15 new business, A. Schu Smith, landfill update, Mr. Schnith.

1508
02:19:53,460 --> 02:19:57,620
Mr. Chair, members of the Board, Mr. Harris, thanks for having us tonight.

1509
02:19:57,880 --> 02:20:02,960
Before we get hand us off to our friends from DEQ, just to want to take a couple of seconds

1510
02:20:03,660 --> 02:20:09,200
to note that I know you all received some questions from constituents regarding some sampling

1511
02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:12,220
reports of some other things we have able to get those straight with the constituent

1512
02:20:12,220 --> 02:20:12,680
asked.

1513
02:20:13,440 --> 02:20:17,460
So, if folks have those sorts of questions, these are highly technical, really long documents,

1514
02:20:18,140 --> 02:20:20,600
we have folks that can go through those and answer them.

1515
02:20:20,620 --> 02:20:24,720
You can always send us an email, give us a call, we're happy to address any of those questions

1516
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:25,220
that come up.

1517
02:20:25,340 --> 02:20:30,260
I think Michael covered this in his presentation as well, but DQ will also be setting up a

1518
02:20:30,260 --> 02:20:33,900
website, having a point of contact for folks that have questions after the fact.

1519
02:20:34,720 --> 02:20:38,860
So, the team tonight, we have several folks from the Department of Environmental

1520
02:20:38,860 --> 02:20:45,560
not a quality. Mike Rollband is actually their director so really happy to have him here. He's actually

1521
02:20:45,560 --> 02:20:51,120
been in this particular field of environmental engineering for about 35 years became the director

1522
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:56,840
DQ about four years ago. Lace of the engineer, wetland scientist, all sorts of letters after his

1523
02:20:56,840 --> 02:21:01,020
name. So we're really fortunate to have him in this position. There's not that anyone better in the

1524
02:21:01,020 --> 02:21:07,460
Commonwealth to serve there. A Cornell grad as well if they're warning of details. We have John

1525
02:21:07,460 --> 02:21:11,400
He's the communications director for DEQ, Brad Rick,

1526
02:21:11,780 --> 02:21:14,460
who's technical, title, I think is multi-media

1527
02:21:14,460 --> 02:21:16,440
environmental compliance specialists,

1528
02:21:17,020 --> 02:21:19,600
but they just call them the solid waste guru for DEQ,

1529
02:21:19,660 --> 02:21:22,100
so I know he's the repository for lots of different questions.

1530
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:25,860
From the federal government, we have Miles Bartos,

1531
02:21:26,040 --> 02:21:29,140
from the EPA, and then from your own team,

1532
02:21:29,300 --> 02:21:32,840
you have myself, Matt Rembold and Scott Spedley.

1533
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:35,960
We will all be working on this project, moving forward,

1534
02:21:35,960 --> 02:21:39,880
I'll note that, you know, when we're all driving up to our last meeting and talk about this,

1535
02:21:40,020 --> 02:21:43,680
we all noted that we're all, uh, Virginia Tech grads and all licensed engineers.

1536
02:21:44,440 --> 02:21:46,660
So, um, I'll all qualify to deal with this.

1537
02:21:47,180 --> 02:21:50,480
So, um, with that, I will hand it over to, uh, to Director Robin.

1538
02:21:57,020 --> 02:21:58,120
Hi, good evening, everyone.

1539
02:21:58,840 --> 02:21:59,200
Can you hear me?

1540
02:21:59,820 --> 02:22:00,080
Okay.

1541
02:22:01,060 --> 02:22:02,480
Oh, sure, that can see you, better.

1542
02:22:03,160 --> 02:22:08,260
Um, so my, my role ban on the Director DQ and what I'm here tonight is to answer your questions

1543
02:22:08,260 --> 02:22:12,580
Number one, but talk and give you an overall overview of the

1544
02:22:12,580 --> 02:22:15,800
shoesmith landfill, the problems that we've had in the past, the

1545
02:22:15,800 --> 02:22:18,480
problems that we facing right now, and an overview of the state

1546
02:22:18,480 --> 02:22:22,180
budget and how it relates to these problems. So first of all, I

1547
02:22:22,180 --> 02:22:25,640
think everybody here probably knows the location, but this is the

1548
02:22:25,640 --> 02:22:28,900
general location in the Richmond area with an air photo insert

1549
02:22:28,900 --> 02:22:32,500
that shows the landfill itself, the quarry that someone else

1550
02:22:32,500 --> 02:22:36,440
owns just north of it. This is more of a close-up of the landfill,

1551
02:22:36,440 --> 02:22:40,560
And you'll notice that there's a fair number of homes we met this community on the

1552
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:47,420
on the west side last Thursday, I guess we was, and answer their questions, gave them the same

1553
02:22:47,420 --> 02:22:51,780
presentation. And there's some houses you'll talk about on the right-hand side as well.

1554
02:22:52,700 --> 02:22:57,720
But first, just talk about a timeline of events. And I think most of you probably know the whole

1555
02:22:57,720 --> 02:23:03,540
history, but for a long time, students and brothers was accepting commercial rates, waste,

1556
02:23:03,540 --> 02:23:07,680
basically any type of municipal, commercial, construction demolition,

1557
02:23:08,040 --> 02:23:10,320
industrial waste generated in the greater Richmond area.

1558
02:23:11,860 --> 02:23:15,440
At one time, in 2018, they tried to expand into the quarry,

1559
02:23:15,700 --> 02:23:18,840
and I will say that it's fantastic. I wasn't here at the time,

1560
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:22,720
but I'm very appreciative that the fact that it was not approved by this county.

1561
02:23:23,300 --> 02:23:27,720
We have a problem in the Bristol landfill, in a quarry, and quarries have a huge

1562
02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:31,620
problem much beyond the problem you have right now, and so you've avoided a

1563
02:23:31,620 --> 02:23:38,860
a much bigger problem. Eventually they contracted with more energy to extract the gas that was being

1564
02:23:38,860 --> 02:23:45,200
developed in this landfill, so the methane it was generated from the composition of the garbage,

1565
02:23:46,320 --> 02:23:51,660
and they're starting to process that and sell it into a natural gas pipeline. They built a

1566
02:23:51,660 --> 02:23:56,880
treatment system to clean up the gas, you know, there's constituents in the gas that can't be used in

1567
02:23:56,880 --> 02:24:01,460
natural gas pipeline so they they've done that and they've expanded the their system.

1568
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:08,160
Eventually in 2022 the landfill ran out of space so it has a limited volume and they stopped

1569
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:13,780
accepting more ways because they maxed out and at that point I think we started seeing some problems.

1570
02:24:14,200 --> 02:24:18,260
Number one we had temperature readings has started getting too high and that's an indication

1571
02:24:18,260 --> 02:24:23,720
of an elevated landfill temperature problem that we'll talk about some more as well and what this

1572
02:24:23,720 --> 02:24:26,620
meant, what is it doing, and what we're doing about it in the future.

1573
02:24:28,200 --> 02:24:33,200
Eventually, Chesterfield County, following their permanent requirements, so they have

1574
02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:35,460
a permit from DEQ for their wastewater facility.

1575
02:24:35,980 --> 02:24:40,960
Their wastewater facility is required for operators like this to have a pre-treatment permit

1576
02:24:40,960 --> 02:24:41,580
as well.

1577
02:24:41,980 --> 02:24:47,020
And they notice that they're not having good conditions in their wastewater facility plus

1578
02:24:47,020 --> 02:24:50,120
in the conveyance from this land fill to their facility.

1579
02:24:50,120 --> 02:24:54,800
So their investigation, which was done correctly, and in accordance with their all their

1580
02:24:54,800 --> 02:24:57,900
permit requirements, found that the problem was this landfill.

1581
02:24:58,560 --> 02:24:59,280
There are a couple of problems.

1582
02:24:59,320 --> 02:25:02,060
Number one, they weren't pre-treating the way they're supposed to.

1583
02:25:02,280 --> 02:25:07,100
They were actually circumventing the system and causing damage to your system.

1584
02:25:07,780 --> 02:25:12,420
So you went through court and stopped them from doing this within a administrative order.

1585
02:25:13,880 --> 02:25:17,700
That meant that the landfill leachate had to be trucked to another facility,

1586
02:25:17,700 --> 02:25:20,680
or would keep building up in elevation and volume.

1587
02:25:21,820 --> 02:25:25,380
And what that does is it increases the operating costs significantly.

1588
02:25:26,040 --> 02:25:32,620
And unfortunately this owner, some people call them a bad actor, that's an allegation.

1589
02:25:33,140 --> 02:25:39,280
But they decided to leave this system and go chapter 11 and eventually chapter 7.

1590
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:41,900
So they declared bankruptcy and federal court.

1591
02:25:42,220 --> 02:25:47,120
And now there's a bankruptcy trustee that's in charge of the general operations under

1592
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:50,600
the purview, of course, of our DEQ and the county.

1593
02:25:51,700 --> 02:25:52,880
But this has been a big problem.

1594
02:25:53,360 --> 02:26:00,180
So the current situation is that we have to treat this leachate.

1595
02:26:00,280 --> 02:26:01,280
We have to manage it.

1596
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:02,600
We have to get rid of it.

1597
02:26:02,820 --> 02:26:05,140
We have to control the gas, and we have to complete the closure.

1598
02:26:06,780 --> 02:26:08,340
So why don't we do that?

1599
02:26:08,340 --> 02:26:10,960
The number one reason is that we have elevated

1600
02:26:10,960 --> 02:26:11,780
landfill temperatures.

1601
02:26:12,400 --> 02:26:15,320
And this condition has not occurred a lot around the country,

1602
02:26:15,320 --> 02:26:16,460
But it does occur.

1603
02:26:17,400 --> 02:26:20,240
And what it's doing is it creates all sorts of problems

1604
02:26:20,240 --> 02:26:21,560
with the leachate.

1605
02:26:21,780 --> 02:26:23,200
So it's an anaerobic condition.

1606
02:26:23,460 --> 02:26:25,580
So there's no very little free oxygen,

1607
02:26:25,860 --> 02:26:28,160
because leachate's taking up that set,

1608
02:26:28,260 --> 02:26:29,920
it's a liquid, it's taking up the space

1609
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:31,960
within the garbage mass in the bottom.

1610
02:26:32,580 --> 02:26:34,440
And it's causing this chemical reaction,

1611
02:26:34,460 --> 02:26:37,300
that's causing all sorts of problems number one odors.

1612
02:26:37,740 --> 02:26:40,120
It's not as bad as it has been in some places,

1613
02:26:40,580 --> 02:26:41,800
but there are odor issues.

1614
02:26:42,340 --> 02:26:44,580
It's changing the composition of the gas,

1615
02:26:44,580 --> 02:26:50,940
making it less able to sell it, because as a methane composition goes down, it won't burn.

1616
02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:52,700
So that's another big problem.

1617
02:26:53,120 --> 02:26:57,320
It was causing problems to your systems, to your conveyance systems, and your treatment system.

1618
02:26:57,760 --> 02:27:01,340
Number one by building up what we call technically, not technically, back goo.

1619
02:27:01,780 --> 02:27:05,080
It's a gross substance that it was clogging up the pipes and the pumps.

1620
02:27:05,740 --> 02:27:11,100
And probably more critically, the chemicals were actually causing the bugs, the bacteria that

1621
02:27:11,100 --> 02:27:14,360
in your suit treatment systems to treat the sewage to die.

1622
02:27:15,260 --> 02:27:20,020
So that's why you had to stop them from doing it otherwise would cost more damage.

1623
02:27:21,620 --> 02:27:28,380
Now, we have leachate. Leachate is normal in the landfills since 1999 when the liner system was required.

1624
02:27:29,540 --> 02:27:33,800
But what leachate does is unless you remove it, it creates this anaerobic condition.

1625
02:27:34,440 --> 02:27:40,560
And the other problem is it's as a temperature rise, it increases the amount of production of leachate,

1626
02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:42,940
which is what's happening here with this elevated temperature.

1627
02:27:43,940 --> 02:27:47,000
So, it's an exponential problem, as the temperature goes up,

1628
02:27:47,060 --> 02:27:52,540
the leachate production goes up and causes more problem and more cost to get rid of it.

1629
02:27:53,120 --> 02:27:55,800
So, these are a couple of examples where we have some seeps on the site.

1630
02:27:55,940 --> 02:27:57,580
Now, the site overall is not this bad.

1631
02:27:57,620 --> 02:27:59,800
These are pictures of the terrible spots,

1632
02:28:00,420 --> 02:28:05,260
but the leachate building up wants to leak out where there's penetrations in the cap.

1633
02:28:05,740 --> 02:28:09,380
And this is a couple examples where you have gas wells where the leachate's seeping out.

1634
02:28:09,380 --> 02:28:14,260
These are a couple of pictures more nighttime types of shots of when we've had some leachate

1635
02:28:14,260 --> 02:28:19,440
releases and they're have been in leachate releases. So far they've been trapped in the

1636
02:28:19,440 --> 02:28:26,500
sediment, in storm American conveyant systems and vacuumed out, but this is a significant risk.

1637
02:28:27,720 --> 02:28:33,600
We also have a temperature of, sorry, a retaining wall problem, or a problem, a concern.

1638
02:28:33,600 --> 02:28:39,880
So this yellow line shows an MSC, mechanically stabilized earth wall, some people call it

1639
02:28:39,880 --> 02:28:46,760
berm, and it enabled this facility to increase the volume of waste that it contains.

1640
02:28:47,460 --> 02:28:51,020
But it's a bit scary, it's next to this elevated temperature landfill area.

1641
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:55,200
And this is a picture of the wall, it's 50 to 60 feet tall.

1642
02:28:56,240 --> 02:29:01,280
Now there are surveys, there's one report that was just finished in June by the consultants

1643
02:29:01,280 --> 02:29:06,480
working for the trustee that shows it's not moving, so that's good. But it's definitely a concern

1644
02:29:06,480 --> 02:29:12,580
because there's a creek next to it and, of course, on the other side, there's houses and we've

1645
02:29:12,580 --> 02:29:17,420
got to make sure that it continues to stay stable. So we want to make sure that we get this leachate

1646
02:29:17,420 --> 02:29:23,320
elevation down so there's less pressure on the wall. Now this is a cross section from the permit

1647
02:29:23,320 --> 02:29:29,600
drawings of the actual wall in this mechanically stabilized system. So it has a grids of material that

1648
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:35,000
Basically, hold back, you see this on highways all the time nowadays, with the segmental wall face.

1649
02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:44,160
And this is unique in terms of it was encapsulated by geomembranes, and they used coal ash.

1650
02:29:44,660 --> 02:29:51,420
Some people call it different words, but coal ash is a colloquial term of what is used in that back from material.

1651
02:29:52,140 --> 02:29:59,500
Now, I want to point out that we have no evidence of any movement of the coal ash in the groundwater in the surface water in any testing so far.

1652
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,380
So we believe it's still encapsulated, but it's been a concern that many people have addressed.

1653
02:30:06,260 --> 02:30:13,900
It's not the reason, for example, that the city of Richmond has declined right now, or alleged violations of their pre-treatment system,

1654
02:30:14,440 --> 02:30:19,280
for collecting that material. It's not from coal ash, it's just from the leachate composition itself.

1655
02:30:19,780 --> 02:30:23,820
But we know about this, it's a concern, and we want to continue monitoring the wall.

1656
02:30:23,820 --> 02:30:29,880
And again, to reduce the problem, reduce the elevated temperature by reducing the amount of

1657
02:30:29,880 --> 02:30:30,280
leachate.

1658
02:30:30,780 --> 02:30:35,480
And the leachate itself obviously holds a lot of temperature, you know, it's a thermal measurement.

1659
02:30:35,980 --> 02:30:38,120
So we've got to remove that and cool it off.

1660
02:30:39,980 --> 02:30:43,400
The other concern that everyone has caused to talk about is groundwater monitoring.

1661
02:30:43,800 --> 02:30:48,520
And our permits require a network of groundwater monitoring wells all around the site.

1662
02:30:48,520 --> 02:30:56,560
And these dots, there's a legend here that shows you what's what's happening, and what we're

1663
02:30:56,560 --> 02:31:02,420
finding is that the majority of them have not had any groundwater protection standard exceedences.

1664
02:31:02,760 --> 02:31:09,520
Some of them had, and what we've had done is drilled new wells just downgrading up these existing wells,

1665
02:31:10,040 --> 02:31:16,700
because we have to make sure that it's not migrating off the site that that's one of the basic tenants of this permit.

1666
02:31:16,700 --> 02:31:22,960
We also have two piney-pranch surface water mounting points that have not shown any exceedance

1667
02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:23,840
is at all.

1668
02:31:24,140 --> 02:31:29,420
So just in case, this leachate ever leaked, contaminated the groundwater, it's then expressed

1669
02:31:29,420 --> 02:31:34,300
as a surface flow, we're checking to make sure that that's not in any contaminations.

1670
02:31:35,620 --> 02:31:39,340
Now, the majority of the homes are on public water, which is good.

1671
02:31:40,100 --> 02:31:44,840
We were concerned about some of the existing lots that were not in the subdivision that

1672
02:31:44,840 --> 02:31:46,260
they might not be on public water.

1673
02:31:46,260 --> 02:31:47,580
So we looked at air photo.

1674
02:31:47,940 --> 02:31:52,400
These green markers are what our homes that are shown

1675
02:31:52,400 --> 02:31:54,640
on air photo that are connected to county water.

1676
02:31:55,080 --> 02:31:57,600
There are two red dots that we have no records

1677
02:31:57,600 --> 02:31:59,900
of any county water being extended to those homes.

1678
02:32:00,460 --> 02:32:03,500
So those are concerned initially, but the next slide

1679
02:32:03,500 --> 02:32:05,980
shows you where they are relationship to the landfill.

1680
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:09,980
And the good news is if you notice those two red dots

1681
02:32:09,980 --> 02:32:13,780
are on the opposite side of the stream from the landfill.

1682
02:32:13,780 --> 02:32:21,120
And in this geologic area, our streams are primarily gaining streams so that they gain ground

1683
02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:27,520
water from the adjacent land of the streams gained water from the adjacent ground water.

1684
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:33,600
So this shows you a map with the groundwater flows in conceptual level to the different streams

1685
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:39,340
aren't either side of this landfill. And so because it's a gaining stream, we don't see any evidence

1686
02:32:39,340 --> 02:32:44,760
of any water potentially being contaminated and then potentially contaminating these groundwater

1687
02:32:44,760 --> 02:32:45,280
wells.

1688
02:32:45,960 --> 02:32:49,520
But again, it's something that we have to be cognizant of and continue the monitoring.

1689
02:32:51,460 --> 02:32:57,340
The other concern and obviously the catastrophe level is that what if there was a failure

1690
02:32:57,340 --> 02:33:00,780
and the sleigh shade left the site and went into the surface waters?

1691
02:33:00,920 --> 02:33:01,560
Where does it go?

1692
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:06,600
Well, it goes into Swift Creek, it goes into the Appematics and it goes into the James River.

1693
02:33:07,200 --> 02:33:08,880
That's the map that shows you where it goes.

1694
02:33:08,880 --> 02:33:10,780
we don't want this to ever happen.

1695
02:33:13,080 --> 02:33:14,980
So how do we pay for it, okay?

1696
02:33:15,540 --> 02:33:17,680
There are financial assurances associated

1697
02:33:17,680 --> 02:33:19,260
with each permit, and we'll talk later

1698
02:33:19,260 --> 02:33:21,380
about what we're doing to change that process.

1699
02:33:21,860 --> 02:33:22,820
But they had two bonds,

1700
02:33:22,940 --> 02:33:26,180
holding 19.3 million dollars, which was good.

1701
02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:30,800
We've been authorizing drawdowns against that bond

1702
02:33:31,360 --> 02:33:34,840
to the trustee for the trustee to pay for the services,

1703
02:33:35,100 --> 02:33:36,520
the people that are operating and maintaining

1704
02:33:36,520 --> 02:33:38,660
this facility and treating the leachate.

1705
02:33:40,360 --> 02:33:46,520
the bonding company was actually very cooperative in terms of they just wrote a check in the end

1706
02:33:46,520 --> 02:33:51,860
to pay for the money. Sometimes bonding companies want to fight, but this company decided not

1707
02:33:51,860 --> 02:33:56,420
to and just simply give us the money which was good. The problem is we're going to run out of money.

1708
02:33:57,580 --> 02:34:02,440
And so the funds are now projected by the trustee and their consultants to be exhausted between

1709
02:34:02,440 --> 02:34:08,480
October and November. And our DQ staff, Brad Rick and particular Rick is here and he's going to be

1710
02:34:08,480 --> 02:34:12,180
He is our project manager assigned to this and he reviews all those invoices.

1711
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:20,000
Now, in total, the trustee and their consultants have estimated we need $173 million

1712
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:24,580
for the next 30 years for post-closure containment.

1713
02:34:24,740 --> 02:34:29,180
So basically, to treat this, to fix it, to operate, maintain it, and treat all this leachate.

1714
02:34:29,640 --> 02:34:35,100
We hope within 30 years the leachate problem will be 100% resolved and we can moth ball

1715
02:34:35,100 --> 02:34:37,120
the site and it will be fully capped.

1716
02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:42,480
But that's a lot more money than the 19 million, so what are we going to do about it?

1717
02:34:42,840 --> 02:34:46,900
Okay, so the next section we talk about the state budget amendment and our plan regulatory

1718
02:34:46,900 --> 02:34:49,660
updates to hopefully prevent this from ever occurring again.

1719
02:34:51,100 --> 02:34:56,420
So first of all, we at DEQ have worked with the Secretary of Natural Resources team, the Department

1720
02:34:56,420 --> 02:35:00,040
of Planning and Budget, and the finance staff on different budget alternatives.

1721
02:35:00,880 --> 02:35:05,020
We utilize the trustee and their SDS report that's publicly available.

1722
02:35:07,190 --> 02:35:19,650
Listening to all these people and many meetings, we determined that there was a great interest of everyone involved to have the most cost-effective solution in collaboration with the county and potential future operators.

1723
02:35:21,030 --> 02:35:31,130
Obviously, they can't collect any more trash, but someone could be an operator of this facility long term that is funded by a various sources of revenue.

1724
02:35:31,850 --> 02:35:36,390
So, we had to develop a budget, we gave them multiple alternatives to deal with the immediate

1725
02:35:36,390 --> 02:35:41,610
needs and also provide information how we could get to a better, more refined budget.

1726
02:35:41,850 --> 02:35:46,710
Because that was one of the complaints was that, you know, while people believe the information,

1727
02:35:47,350 --> 02:35:51,730
they want more information and they want more refinement and we only have very light conceptual

1728
02:35:51,730 --> 02:35:53,170
plans right now.

1729
02:35:54,530 --> 02:35:59,550
So, this, I won't bore you the details of how we got to this place, obviously we used the

1730
02:35:59,550 --> 02:36:05,050
C.S. budget as a starting point, but the powers that be in the general assembly that votes

1731
02:36:05,050 --> 02:36:10,490
and approves the budget determine that we could have $10.6 million for this first fiscal

1732
02:36:10,490 --> 02:36:20,850
year FY27, which started July 1st. This is kind of a general breakdown. I think the key here

1733
02:36:20,850 --> 02:36:27,290
is we want to get the cover completed the cap because if we get the final landfill cover in place

1734
02:36:27,290 --> 02:36:31,370
When it rains, and it does rain, even though it's a drought, it's been raining a lot lately here.

1735
02:36:32,530 --> 02:36:35,550
That water infiltrates directly into the garbage mass.

1736
02:36:35,690 --> 02:36:38,970
We need to reduce that amount of water that's coming in.

1737
02:36:39,230 --> 02:36:40,710
We've got to upgrade the collection system.

1738
02:36:40,870 --> 02:36:42,550
We've got to, the liquids manage it.

1739
02:36:42,550 --> 02:36:47,670
We have to truck this waste to other treatment facilities that are allowed to have it.

1740
02:36:48,390 --> 02:36:50,290
We have to continue to test the lead chain.

1741
02:36:50,430 --> 02:36:54,830
I'll talk a little bit more later, but that's to refine the design of how we're going to actually

1742
02:36:54,830 --> 02:36:59,010
design, build, and operate and maintain a leachage treatment system.

1743
02:36:59,710 --> 02:37:02,950
So we have some money left over from the bonds, but not enough.

1744
02:37:03,170 --> 02:37:04,510
And that's the 10.6.

1745
02:37:04,630 --> 02:37:08,330
That gets us basically to the end of this fiscal year, I just started.

1746
02:37:09,330 --> 02:37:13,950
The goal is during this process to develop a collaborative approach between the county,

1747
02:37:14,090 --> 02:37:20,270
the trustee, and DQ, and potential operators, even, that could reduce long-term costs.

1748
02:37:21,550 --> 02:37:32,810
Part of that is we're working and I say, we SCS, the contractor for the trustee has been conducting additional leachay testing in conjunction with the requirements of Chesterfield County.

1749
02:37:33,450 --> 02:37:43,430
To number one, see if that we could split the flow and some of the landfill leachay is not as bad and the non-elevator temperature areas as the elevated temperature areas.

1750
02:37:43,430 --> 02:37:47,330
that potentially could be split off and piped into the

1751
02:37:47,330 --> 02:37:51,010
Chessfield system without pre-treatment, and then the other

1752
02:37:51,010 --> 02:37:55,170
waste leech-a could be characterized and hopefully design

1753
02:37:55,170 --> 02:37:58,670
developed a better, you can everyone see that?

1754
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:59,410
That was okay.

1755
02:37:59,690 --> 02:38:03,170
It could develop a better system in terms of how to pre-treat that.

1756
02:38:04,190 --> 02:38:07,810
So we've got the 10.6 million, we've also got a couple

1757
02:38:07,810 --> 02:38:11,270
other sources of funds that are in the budget right now.

1758
02:38:11,270 --> 02:38:17,090
There's $3 million that the budget now allows me to spend through our emergency fund, our

1759
02:38:17,090 --> 02:38:18,150
birth fund.

1760
02:38:18,310 --> 02:38:20,410
Normal and limited to $100,000.

1761
02:38:21,110 --> 02:38:26,450
This grants me the authority to go ahead and spend up to $3 million after the 10.6 is exhausted.

1762
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:33,570
We also potentially could collect about another $1.6 million in monitoring costs.

1763
02:38:36,150 --> 02:38:42,470
There's another pot of money in the budget that allows us subject to writing a report and getting

1764
02:38:42,470 --> 02:38:45,530
approval by the Secretary of Natural Resources Secretary of Finance and the Department of

1765
02:38:45,530 --> 02:38:48,250
Planning and Budget and the Governor to approve that use.

1766
02:38:48,450 --> 02:38:53,350
And I propose, all right, plan to propose that as some of the uses of this monitoring

1767
02:38:53,350 --> 02:38:57,850
money to go towards all the margins required in the shooting at the landfill.

1768
02:38:58,150 --> 02:39:01,050
I can't guarantee it because I need their approval, but that's our plan.

1769
02:39:01,970 --> 02:39:09,950
I'll point out that there are some monitoring that's not in the original budget, and that's what we plan also to be funding with this money.

1770
02:39:11,630 --> 02:39:19,130
I won't read, obviously, the budget amendments, but this is the budget amendment that gives us a $10.6 million and the $3 million, it's published online.

1771
02:39:20,490 --> 02:39:25,970
This gives us the other mechanisms and tells me what I have to go through to spend this money.

1772
02:39:26,650 --> 02:39:31,650
This is the source of the additional monitoring, so I would be writing a report and getting permission

1773
02:39:31,650 --> 02:39:33,310
to spend it out of this section.

1774
02:39:34,730 --> 02:39:35,950
The good news is K2.

1775
02:39:36,130 --> 02:39:38,890
It doesn't revert the general fund if we don't spend it.

1776
02:39:39,270 --> 02:39:44,650
Unfortunately, I had the feeling we'll spend it all, plus more, but it's not getting re-appropriated

1777
02:39:44,650 --> 02:39:45,910
to someone else.

1778
02:39:46,410 --> 02:39:50,470
And then I have to report every October 1st to the governor and the chair's the House

1779
02:39:50,470 --> 02:39:53,530
Properations Center Finance on what we're doing with this money.

1780
02:39:55,430 --> 02:39:59,310
So, we have a direction to go for this first fiscal year.

1781
02:39:59,330 --> 02:40:01,830
We have a direction to get money for the second fiscal year.

1782
02:40:01,890 --> 02:40:11,050
The idea is to address that with these departments and secretaries and get permission to put the funding in the caboose bill for next fiscal year.

1783
02:40:11,570 --> 02:40:12,930
That's what our plan is.

1784
02:40:13,870 --> 02:40:16,730
At the same time, I want to make sure this never happens again.

1785
02:40:17,410 --> 02:40:23,490
And probably some of you know that we have not been able to change the regulations and the fees since I've been there.

1786
02:40:24,570 --> 02:40:27,930
It's a democracy and we have to have votes.

1787
02:40:28,810 --> 02:40:32,670
But we're going to try again and we've now gotten permission to start a guidance document.

1788
02:40:32,970 --> 02:40:34,630
It's in public comment right now.

1789
02:40:35,790 --> 02:40:39,470
It was actually published on July 13, so it's in public comment now.

1790
02:40:39,870 --> 02:40:44,250
And that's number one to take the lessons that we've learned in the Bristol problem.

1791
02:40:45,110 --> 02:40:49,790
That expert panel that we've reformed and wrote report is being used, for example,

1792
02:40:49,910 --> 02:40:52,190
in Los Angeles for their problem with the same problem.

1793
02:40:52,190 --> 02:40:54,730
So people have taken this panel that we created.

1794
02:40:55,390 --> 02:41:00,430
We had the experts from all around the country and Canada convened in Bristol to figure out what to do.

1795
02:41:00,750 --> 02:41:01,350
And it's working.

1796
02:41:01,990 --> 02:41:07,310
We went from over 2,000 complaints of other complaints a month to anywhere between 1 and 10.

1797
02:41:08,370 --> 02:41:11,550
And we've seen incredible improvements.

1798
02:41:11,550 --> 02:41:16,990
It's still got a long way to go, but it's everything that the experts recommended is being implemented as working.

1799
02:41:17,610 --> 02:41:19,070
So we feel good about that.

1800
02:41:19,070 --> 02:41:25,590
What we learned from a lot of these experts is that the information that could predict this problem

1801
02:41:25,590 --> 02:41:30,890
two to three years in advance exists, it's just not, you have to look at it in a different format.

1802
02:41:31,130 --> 02:41:38,290
So what this guidance document does is require the proper information to be collected and presented in a format

1803
02:41:38,290 --> 02:41:43,190
so that anybody can see, including the public, because we're going to make it all publicly available,

1804
02:41:43,190 --> 02:41:53,790
You can see that there is a problem coming so we can tape steps early on when it's less expensive to stop this problem from going because it's an exponential growth problem.

1805
02:41:55,010 --> 02:42:00,110
The next thing is financial assurances obviously we don't have enough money.

1806
02:42:01,610 --> 02:42:07,970
Now Bristol was a municipal amphil so it's a different situation and the municipality said they don't have any money and they go bankrupt.

1807
02:42:08,750 --> 02:42:09,710
They threatened to go bankrupt.

1808
02:42:09,710 --> 02:42:15,430
they didn't. This was a private company we thought based on the waste management problem several

1809
02:42:15,430 --> 02:42:19,910
years ago in Virginia where they had the same problem but they spent lots and lots of money.

1810
02:42:21,150 --> 02:42:26,110
They learned a lot because they had spent over 500 million on a problem in Ohio and they fixed

1811
02:42:26,110 --> 02:42:33,670
a problem but here this owner group decided to go chapter 7 and not spend the money to fix it.

1812
02:42:33,670 --> 02:42:36,410
That's outside of the scope of DEQ.

1813
02:42:36,610 --> 02:42:42,450
It's in the Attorney General's hand and so that's something I can't comment on.

1814
02:42:42,690 --> 02:42:45,250
But what we want to do is make sure that there's a financial assurance,

1815
02:42:45,470 --> 02:42:50,330
a bond or insurance that we can call upon to prevent this from ever occurring again.

1816
02:42:50,890 --> 02:42:57,450
So the budget amendment here allows us to create new regulation that requires financial assurance

1817
02:42:57,450 --> 02:42:59,630
for basically landfill capital,

1818
02:42:59,630 --> 02:43:05,330
large-band gas collection, other activities, you know, so we, we want to, the leachy management

1819
02:43:05,330 --> 02:43:10,590
is the pre-treatment systems. So we're going to be able to require bonds if this is approved

1820
02:43:11,870 --> 02:43:20,970
to prevent this in the future from being foisted upon taxpayers like us. We put out a Nora for this

1821
02:43:20,970 --> 02:43:25,530
as well because at the time when we, we had no get approved in the budget that we didn't know

1822
02:43:25,530 --> 02:43:30,970
with a budget until like the 29th of June, but there's some things that are in there we like to go beyond

1823
02:43:30,970 --> 02:43:32,750
So we have a balanced suspendance approach,

1824
02:43:33,210 --> 02:43:35,630
and we have a Nora that's already going on,

1825
02:43:35,630 --> 02:43:40,290
and they're published on June 13th, July 13th,

1826
02:43:40,550 --> 02:43:42,610
rather, so that will be another process

1827
02:43:42,610 --> 02:43:44,490
that we can amend these regulations,

1828
02:43:45,170 --> 02:43:46,410
potentially increase fees,

1829
02:43:46,950 --> 02:43:49,610
definitely obviously do all the financial assurances,

1830
02:43:49,910 --> 02:43:51,210
potentially increase setbacks

1831
02:43:51,210 --> 02:43:53,670
that was proposed before and got rejected.

1832
02:43:54,750 --> 02:43:56,410
But all these types of things,

1833
02:43:56,850 --> 02:44:00,950
we believe needs to be done

1834
02:44:00,950 --> 02:44:03,890
So with that, I'll stop and answer any questions.

1835
02:44:04,570 --> 02:44:06,970
And I know two of you had lots of questions last time.

1836
02:44:09,470 --> 02:44:10,870
We're going to start for it.

1837
02:44:14,480 --> 02:44:17,960
I have a question, you need to go back a little bit on your slides.

1838
02:44:18,180 --> 02:44:19,360
I want to go back to the one where it said,

1839
02:44:19,400 --> 02:44:22,740
I think what was happening for 2026 and 2027?

1840
02:44:28,060 --> 02:44:28,900
Go back one more.

1841
02:44:30,140 --> 02:44:30,840
That's it.

1842
02:44:30,840 --> 02:44:32,140
So it was 2027, 28.

1843
02:44:32,140 --> 02:44:35,820
I want to call your attention to fiscal year 28

1844
02:44:35,820 --> 02:44:37,960
with regard to number three.

1845
02:44:37,960 --> 02:44:43,780
develop a collaborative approach to design operation which is Phil County. I want to stop there for a moment.

1846
02:44:44,120 --> 02:44:49,360
When you say develop a collaborative approach to design operation which is Phil County, what do you mean?

1847
02:44:50,040 --> 02:44:54,760
So last week we had a mediation session with the bankruptcy mediator and the trustee

1848
02:44:54,760 --> 02:44:59,500
and Chessville County Attorney General's office in the Governor's office and what the

1849
02:44:59,500 --> 02:45:00,000
mediation is.

1850
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,280
Now, public agreed to do is to create a committee of three entities. So, the trustee has one representative,

1851
02:45:06,620 --> 02:45:12,960
Jessica County has a representative and DQ has a representative. And they're going to work together to focus on number one,

1852
02:45:14,480 --> 02:45:20,460
can we split this system or not in terms of two different treatment trains to split the leachate. And the reason is,

1853
02:45:20,640 --> 02:45:27,800
instead of trucking is very expensive. If we can let it flow into your sewer system and not have a pre-triven system, that's least costly,

1854
02:45:27,800 --> 02:45:34,020
If we can let it flow through a pre-treatment system with the messier stuff and treat it properly,

1855
02:45:34,520 --> 02:45:37,600
again, that's still cheaper than trucking it to another treatment system.

1856
02:45:38,120 --> 02:45:41,200
So the first focus is getting that done, okay?

1857
02:45:41,660 --> 02:45:50,980
In terms of we don't get consensus on a concept, get consensus on how we're going to actually go to final design and construction and operations and maintenance.

1858
02:45:50,980 --> 02:45:54,120
So, that's the first assignment really of that group.

1859
02:45:54,320 --> 02:46:02,820
The other is obviously to do whatever we can to help the trustee and their consultant get the cap on as quick as possible to prevent that infiltration.

1860
02:46:03,040 --> 02:46:11,140
So, it's basically two simultaneous approaches, but that collaboration is what was agreed upon in this mediation just the other week.

1861
02:46:11,140 --> 02:46:20,940
At least track we might be two weeks ago now, but that's what we're playing to do and that's I think a very positive change in direction

1862
02:46:20,940 --> 02:46:27,720
I won't say change, but we have to go through a process unfortunately through the bankruptcy system and it's gone very well

1863
02:46:27,720 --> 02:46:29,980
But it is a process and it takes time

1864
02:46:29,980 --> 02:46:35,480
So it's really clear because on the slide what you have here is something called a budget break down

1865
02:46:35,480 --> 02:46:40,620
And so I wouldn't be clear on when you're talking about a collaborative approach to design

1866
02:46:40,620 --> 02:46:45,340
operation, which is for a county, I wouldn't make sure that I understand and I want

1867
02:46:45,340 --> 02:46:53,320
you to collaborate with me that this is not going to fall when it comes to a budget perspective.

1868
02:46:53,400 --> 02:46:57,660
This is not going to fall on the taxpayers of just a county alone.

1869
02:46:57,900 --> 02:47:02,980
When I say a loan, recognizing this is going to be a state, this is going to be appropriated

1870
02:47:02,980 --> 02:47:08,740
on the state level. Am I accurate on that? Well, what I'm talking about is the technical side

1871
02:47:08,740 --> 02:47:13,160
of how to fix the problem on the budget. I don't have the authority to make any

1872
02:47:13,160 --> 02:47:19,460
commitments on budget issues. I know what we have proposed to do. And we're in consensus

1873
02:47:19,460 --> 02:47:27,060
with that, but how the elected officials decide how to appropriate money is not. I have no influence.

1874
02:47:27,300 --> 02:47:29,960
Okay, that's what we need to make sure we're clear on that. And when you're saying elected

1875
02:47:29,960 --> 02:47:35,130
officials, of course, you're talking about on the state level, correct, correct, okay, thank you.

1876
02:47:40,320 --> 02:47:40,820
Let's do.

1877
02:47:40,820 --> 02:47:41,660
Let's go first.

1878
02:47:41,980 --> 02:47:42,560
Dr. Helen.

1879
02:47:42,720 --> 02:47:43,480
Then Mr. Carl.

1880
02:47:44,580 --> 02:47:51,380
So, question, I know Richmond is not taking a lead today right now or the landfill there is not taking it.

1881
02:47:52,040 --> 02:47:53,940
So, it's being taken somewhere else.

1882
02:47:54,060 --> 02:48:00,160
Could you elaborate where is being taken and if there's any increase calls there in the house?

1883
02:48:00,160 --> 02:48:04,020
There are increased costs and the trustee is working on different alternatives.

1884
02:48:05,180 --> 02:48:09,260
We've talked to another location as well to see if they could start taking this soon.

1885
02:48:09,660 --> 02:48:15,240
So there's multiple locations being discussed with and potentially being used.

1886
02:48:15,440 --> 02:48:18,400
And of course, the city has only alleged violations.

1887
02:48:19,440 --> 02:48:25,000
And I saw some correspondence from the city I think it was yesterday that it's not finalized.

1888
02:48:25,000 --> 02:48:30,340
So they've met with the facility that's accepting the leachate and talked to them about how

1889
02:48:30,340 --> 02:48:34,060
they could modify their permit to make it potentially acceptable.

1890
02:48:34,540 --> 02:48:37,880
So there's multiple alternatives being assessed by the trustee and their agents.

1891
02:48:39,360 --> 02:48:44,320
And then could you elaborate maybe on the steps that would take in order for our Chesapeake County

1892
02:48:44,320 --> 02:48:51,040
to take on the leachate after it's been cleaned with those steps?

1893
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:51,920
What do you have to?

1894
02:48:52,260 --> 02:48:54,980
And I may lean to Chesapeake if you might have to help me.

1895
02:48:55,900 --> 02:49:01,000
But Chesapeake County has published criteria for what you'll accept for pre-treatment.

1896
02:49:01,600 --> 02:49:05,240
I think there's a hundred and something to see that have pre-treatment facilities that

1897
02:49:05,240 --> 02:49:08,140
then treat it and send it to your wastewater for further treatment.

1898
02:49:09,160 --> 02:49:12,860
So you have a very robust system.

1899
02:49:13,060 --> 02:49:17,260
I mean, it's published on-line and everyone knows what the requirements are.

1900
02:49:17,960 --> 02:49:22,880
So we just have to get this facility designed to match the requirements that Chesapeake

1901
02:49:22,880 --> 02:49:27,680
has to accept it. And then they have to pay for it. It's not free. You can't just

1902
02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:32,660
worry for free. Right. Maybe we have Jesse elaborate on what that process looks like.

1903
02:49:36,160 --> 02:49:41,200
Yeah, I think Mike actually did a good job of explaining what that is. I think it's also,

1904
02:49:41,500 --> 02:49:47,160
like he said, we have pre-traped permits with dozens of facilities of all sorts of industry.

1905
02:49:48,060 --> 02:49:53,280
So it's pretty regular that we accept industrial waste for those as long as it's pre-treated.

1906
02:49:53,280 --> 02:49:55,880
It's also important to remember that we used to accept

1907
02:49:56,700 --> 02:49:59,760
Leachate, again, pre-treated from the landfill.

1908
02:49:59,880 --> 02:50:02,340
It was only after they essentially stopped

1909
02:50:02,340 --> 02:50:05,280
treating it and discharged it directly to our system

1910
02:50:05,280 --> 02:50:07,600
that we stopped them, because essentially what happens

1911
02:50:07,600 --> 02:50:09,960
is that it poisons our wastewater treatment plant,

1912
02:50:10,140 --> 02:50:13,920
which is designed for domestic sewage and not industrial sewage.

1913
02:50:14,420 --> 02:50:16,660
So what we need any industry to do is to treat

1914
02:50:16,660 --> 02:50:19,620
their effluent to a point where it's similar to what

1915
02:50:19,620 --> 02:50:21,800
would come out of your household waste

1916
02:50:21,800 --> 02:50:23,520
before we could accept it.

1917
02:50:23,660 --> 02:50:26,100
You bring up a good point, it wasn't being treated

1918
02:50:26,100 --> 02:50:29,820
and that's how it was discovered by Chesapeake County.

1919
02:50:30,760 --> 02:50:32,740
And so could you elaborate maybe on that too,

1920
02:50:33,240 --> 02:50:34,320
from the perspective of Chesapeake County?

1921
02:50:34,740 --> 02:50:38,920
Sure, yeah, I mean in the, I'll try to simplify it,

1922
02:50:39,040 --> 02:50:41,240
but what we saw were really high in ammonia levels

1923
02:50:41,240 --> 02:50:43,800
at our Proctor's Creek wastewater treatment plant

1924
02:50:43,800 --> 02:50:49,380
and we chased sources back until we discovered

1925
02:50:49,380 --> 02:50:54,780
through an investigation that the leechate was untreated coming out of the shoes with

1926
02:50:54,780 --> 02:50:59,700
landfill and really, you know, and I think Mike showed some of the pictures that black

1927
02:50:59,700 --> 02:51:04,520
goo, that black substance that was coming out of it was poisoning our plant for lack of a

1928
02:51:04,520 --> 02:51:10,980
better term. And then so after that happened in Tesla County reported it to earlier reports

1929
02:51:10,980 --> 02:51:17,360
another administration that the cues and administration at that time. Yeah, we revoked their

1930
02:51:17,360 --> 02:51:19,160
We went through some legal processes.

1931
02:51:19,820 --> 02:51:21,840
We certainly keep DQ in the loop the whole time.

1932
02:51:22,280 --> 02:51:24,580
I mean, all of these enforcement efforts

1933
02:51:24,580 --> 02:51:26,160
at the landfill are a partnership.

1934
02:51:27,340 --> 02:51:30,960
We certainly are willing to work to hand the lead chain,

1935
02:51:31,080 --> 02:51:32,860
so that it doesn't have to be trucked at all off,

1936
02:51:33,400 --> 02:51:35,920
but then DQ has their responsibilities as well.

1937
02:51:36,160 --> 02:51:39,760
So we're working in concert to try to make this thing

1938
02:51:39,760 --> 02:51:41,280
the best it could be at this point.

1939
02:51:42,840 --> 02:51:44,680
Let me add one or other, a couple of things.

1940
02:51:44,880 --> 02:51:47,200
One is that while we want

1941
02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:52,060
split the flow, it may be that the one part is not clean enough without

1942
02:51:52,060 --> 02:51:56,280
pretreatment, but potentially it would need a different pretreatment process

1943
02:51:56,280 --> 02:52:01,640
less costly and quicker to take care of than the really bad area.

1944
02:52:02,000 --> 02:52:05,180
So we know the elevated temperature, landfill section creates a much

1945
02:52:05,180 --> 02:52:08,020
worse leachate than the non elevated temperature.

1946
02:52:08,480 --> 02:52:12,840
So that's another reason if we can split the flow, maybe we can't send it

1947
02:52:12,840 --> 02:52:16,700
without being pretreated, but at least we can reduce the cost of the

1948
02:52:16,700 --> 02:52:22,860
the system make two trains that are more efficiently designed for the type of chemicals that

1949
02:52:22,860 --> 02:52:28,660
are coming out. And the city Richmond, they did the same thing that Chesterville did. They

1950
02:52:28,660 --> 02:52:32,560
had a problem. They're one of their wastewater facilities. It wasn't operating correctly. They

1951
02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:37,500
chased the problem to a plant that was taken this by truck and treating it, but they weren't

1952
02:52:37,500 --> 02:52:44,260
treating it sufficiently. And it also didn't meet their permit conditions. So, you know, the city

1953
02:52:44,260 --> 02:52:46,680
It's been learned from Kesseryll as well

1954
02:52:46,680 --> 02:52:49,200
that we have a problem, let's go find it,

1955
02:52:49,220 --> 02:52:50,240
and they found the source.

1956
02:52:50,880 --> 02:52:55,580
And then is it a 10 of DQ to,

1957
02:52:55,580 --> 02:52:58,740
I guess, for a simpler description,

1958
02:52:59,120 --> 02:53:00,960
sticks of straws back into the landfill

1959
02:53:00,960 --> 02:53:03,860
and take out the gas again,

1960
02:53:04,900 --> 02:53:06,240
or when they cap it,

1961
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:08,980
do you have to still put the straws in there

1962
02:53:08,980 --> 02:53:11,880
to suck the gas out to give you elaborate

1963
02:53:11,880 --> 02:53:12,580
on that process?

1964
02:53:12,900 --> 02:53:17,540
So we have to definitely get the graph, suck the graph, gas out.

1965
02:53:17,800 --> 02:53:19,900
And it's being done right now and it's being treated.

1966
02:53:20,340 --> 02:53:22,480
What we're concerned about is what happened at Bristol,

1967
02:53:22,580 --> 02:53:26,240
where the gas quality got to a point where it wouldn't combust, it wouldn't burn.

1968
02:53:26,920 --> 02:53:28,380
We actually have to add propane.

1969
02:53:28,720 --> 02:53:30,200
There they weren't selling in the gas pipeline.

1970
02:53:30,780 --> 02:53:36,620
They were burning it in converted caterpillar engines that ran on this gas,

1971
02:53:36,740 --> 02:53:39,180
that made electricity and sold it to the grid.

1972
02:53:39,480 --> 02:53:40,620
It will burn.

1973
02:53:41,020 --> 02:53:42,000
So they stopped doing that.

1974
02:53:42,000 --> 02:53:46,620
we want to make sure that we could get, hopefully get the leachate out and get the temperature down

1975
02:53:46,620 --> 02:53:51,900
so that we have much higher methane production, which also produces revenue to this facility as well.

1976
02:53:52,200 --> 02:53:55,680
I mean, potentially could be up to a couple of million dollars a year, which is real money.

1977
02:53:56,140 --> 02:53:57,980
It's not going to solve this problem, but it's real money.

1978
02:53:58,360 --> 02:54:03,560
But we want to make sure that we don't lose that income stream, because again, it's a vicious cycle.

1979
02:54:06,050 --> 02:54:09,730
So, let me kind of reset a question for you.

1980
02:54:09,730 --> 02:54:17,810
So I guess it could be possibly one scenario where people could smell something, but because

1981
02:54:17,810 --> 02:54:21,810
we have the straws in there taking out the gas, nobody smells anything.

1982
02:54:22,470 --> 02:54:22,630
Correct.

1983
02:54:23,150 --> 02:54:25,270
And they are taking the gas out right now.

1984
02:54:25,430 --> 02:54:26,070
We do have leaks.

1985
02:54:26,930 --> 02:54:28,110
But that's helpful.

1986
02:54:28,630 --> 02:54:35,030
The also, the smell issue is related to the less methane, more other gases becomes more

1987
02:54:35,650 --> 02:54:40,930
and so that's, you know, it's obviously, it smells like a landfill when you go there, but it's not,

1988
02:54:40,930 --> 02:54:44,390
it's not nearly as horrible as some of the landfills have been like Bristol.

1989
02:54:45,390 --> 02:54:51,370
So I did, I goal this thing, if we can get the lead shadow because the lead shade has a lot of the heat in it.

1990
02:54:51,650 --> 02:54:58,050
Okay, so if we can, the more likely we can get out that we can cool it off, it takes years to cool these mass waste off,

1991
02:54:58,470 --> 02:55:04,290
we can then change the chemical reaction to create more methane, which also produces more income and less order.

1992
02:55:05,730 --> 02:55:06,230
Okay.

1993
02:55:11,600 --> 02:55:15,300
Isn't it true there are different types of leachate treatment systems?

1994
02:55:16,020 --> 02:55:16,720
Yes, there are.

1995
02:55:17,220 --> 02:55:21,300
And can you elaborate a little bit of what those different types of treatment systems are and how they work?

1996
02:55:21,600 --> 02:55:25,820
Well, I'm not an expert in the leachate system design, but there are multiple methods.

1997
02:55:25,920 --> 02:55:29,140
And that's what we're going to have technical experts working on the actual design.

1998
02:55:29,140 --> 02:55:36,420
But some of them are as simple as sand filters, for example, or floculants, where you add chemicals to take particles out.

1999
02:55:36,700 --> 02:55:37,380
There are smaller particles.

2000
02:55:37,940 --> 02:55:45,380
There's a reverse osmosis, which has been discussed for this, which could be the best system in terms of efficiency,

2001
02:55:46,280 --> 02:55:51,260
except if this coat black goo is too much, is too present without pre-treatment of that.

2002
02:55:51,340 --> 02:55:53,720
It could gum up the reverse osmosis membranes.

2003
02:55:53,720 --> 02:55:59,460
So, these companies are going to, you know, they're going to look at all these different methods.

2004
02:55:59,960 --> 02:56:05,360
And when we come up with a concept plan, we may end up having multiple methods as potential concepts,

2005
02:56:06,040 --> 02:56:09,780
subject to people then proposing what they think it could do.

2006
02:56:09,780 --> 02:56:15,300
And that's why we also think, and again, as think is in the middle of testing right now, the leachate streams,

2007
02:56:15,920 --> 02:56:18,580
that it might be two different types of pretreatment systems.

2008
02:56:19,000 --> 02:56:23,380
One more expense of the other for the two different levels of leachate.

2009
02:56:24,960 --> 02:56:26,240
Thank you.

2010
02:56:29,910 --> 02:56:34,370
Some of these questions you might have heard already, but it's a different audience.

2011
02:56:37,410 --> 02:56:46,490
So Cheshfield did the zoning for the dump, I believe, in 76ish, 72, 76, and then

2012
02:56:46,490 --> 02:56:55,030
the county, I believe, expanded the ability in 94s, that sound right, Jesse.

2013
02:56:57,610 --> 02:57:05,610
I think it's been here the entire time, so he actually has recorded some memory.

2014
02:57:05,950 --> 02:57:08,470
Not in the 70s.

2015
02:57:08,470 --> 02:57:22,430
But again, in 2018 and the county did not let them expand again and told them that they were going to have to shut down when they came to the capacity from what they were permitted in 94.

2016
02:57:22,810 --> 02:57:26,850
Yeah, we did not either request to use the quarry as a as a landfill.

2017
02:57:26,850 --> 02:57:37,130
And we had a co-ger's addiction over the pre-treatment, what was coming out of the pre-treatment

2018
02:57:37,130 --> 02:57:43,880
facility to our water treatment plant.

2019
02:57:45,180 --> 02:57:52,560
But only into the point that if we found a violation, we could stop them from sending it

2020
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:56,220
to us not any more than that authorities are correct.

2021
02:57:56,740 --> 02:58:01,580
Yeah, so we do regulate the pre-treatment and I guess we're a wastewater treatment plant

2022
02:58:02,240 --> 02:58:06,720
But yeah, if they violate that, you know, typically we would give them a notice of violation

2023
02:58:06,720 --> 02:58:10,080
Allow them to erect that, but if it gets as a griege as

2024
02:58:10,760 --> 02:58:17,800
It is frequent is what we saw here, then we just revoked their permit, which is exactly what happened here. Right, the enforcement is actually to stop the flow

2025
02:58:17,800 --> 02:58:22,600
Because the flow then we can change our that's our part of the regulate and it we had

2026
02:58:25,380 --> 02:58:27,560
We also did have some purview.

2027
02:58:27,760 --> 02:58:32,740
There was a lot of complaints about dirt and trash on Route 10 over the years,

2028
02:58:32,960 --> 02:58:37,440
and we did have purview, and we did require them to bring sweeper trucks out

2029
02:58:37,440 --> 02:58:42,660
and clean route 10, often to the point where I had to have Route 10 restriped

2030
02:58:42,660 --> 02:58:45,080
because the sweeper trucks would sweep the things.

2031
02:58:45,080 --> 02:58:46,780
Yes, so there's no ink additions and things that apply.

2032
02:58:46,780 --> 02:58:51,480
But that was offsite stuff that we had enforcement over.

2033
02:58:51,480 --> 02:59:03,000
On site, who had the, all the permitting responsibilities and all of the notice of violations

2034
02:59:03,000 --> 02:59:12,340
or any other type of authority by state law, who's the only, I mean, I think the best way

2035
02:59:12,340 --> 02:59:17,380
to look at it is sort of the circle of the landfill, everything, you know, where the pipe comes

2036
02:59:17,380 --> 02:59:20,920
out and everything outside of it, generally is going to be county jurisdiction, other than,

2037
02:59:20,920 --> 02:59:25,080
course the lead is right so the inside of that generally speaking is going to be the state.

2038
02:59:25,260 --> 02:59:26,640
I mean that's fair.

2039
02:59:27,580 --> 02:59:37,900
I just want to make sure because we did the county did in fact try to co enforce and we were told through

2040
02:59:37,900 --> 02:59:45,080
an attorney general's letter that the state law prohibited us from that right and that we could

2041
02:59:45,080 --> 02:59:46,520
not do that is that correct.

2042
02:59:46,960 --> 02:59:50,700
Yes or there was a time you know just like a lot of our state counterparts where I think

2043
02:59:50,700 --> 02:59:53,380
They admittedly at the time they said they were understaffed and they could only get the

2044
02:59:53,380 --> 02:59:53,860
certain spots.

2045
02:59:54,080 --> 02:59:58,420
We said, well, we're located across the street, essentially, for the land fill if we can

2046
02:59:58,420 --> 02:59:59,980
if you allow us to help out.

2047
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:10,280
You know, we certainly would have, you know, at that time the AG's opinion was that there were specific reasons, operationally and legally, they declined that request.

2048
03:00:10,440 --> 03:00:15,900
But they actually stated that state law prohibits that was their response.

2049
03:00:17,120 --> 03:00:19,560
You're totally correct and we've given you a copy of that letter.

2050
03:00:21,060 --> 03:00:27,220
What could happen is during this regulatory process, you know, you can change laws.

2051
03:00:27,220 --> 03:00:29,860
I mean, I've changed when before I was a DQ.

2052
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:32,880
When you can go and get a painter and there's elected officials,

2053
03:00:33,640 --> 03:00:36,740
it's not that hard a deal to a process to do.

2054
03:00:37,340 --> 03:00:39,640
And so it's something to really think about, because

2055
03:00:39,640 --> 03:00:41,680
DQ has limited resources.

2056
03:00:42,940 --> 03:00:45,880
And we had an actor, though, that was a bad actor.

2057
03:00:46,000 --> 03:00:49,160
I mean, most people, when you give them a violation, they actually fix it.

2058
03:00:49,800 --> 03:00:53,400
Okay. So this is a tough situation. They didn't respond.

2059
03:00:54,000 --> 03:01:03,660
I'm not trying to say that DQ caused the problem because clearly the people that cause the problem were the owners of the dump and they clearly

2060
03:01:04,880 --> 03:01:15,300
I know I said it before and I'm probably getting trouble for it, but they clearly in my opinion committed some acts that I believe they should be prosecuted for.

2061
03:01:15,440 --> 03:01:18,120
I'll try to be careful how I say it so I don't get sued.

2062
03:01:18,120 --> 03:01:28,620
But, and we fully support that prosecution of anything that is found to be a violation of the law.

2063
03:01:29,480 --> 03:01:32,160
I'm thinking everybody on this board will agree with that, right?

2064
03:01:32,900 --> 03:01:44,840
I just wanted to make sure that people understand, because there's a lot of people that think that the county was taking money at either this board level or other boards prior to us

2065
03:01:44,840 --> 03:01:48,200
or county administrators or somebody else,

2066
03:01:48,340 --> 03:01:51,640
we're taking money from shoesmith to turn a blind eye

2067
03:01:51,640 --> 03:01:53,120
to what was going on there.

2068
03:01:53,160 --> 03:01:54,640
And we had no authority,

2069
03:01:54,900 --> 03:01:56,760
so there'd be no reason in the world

2070
03:01:56,760 --> 03:01:59,380
for them to pay off somebody that had no authority over them.

2071
03:01:59,380 --> 03:02:00,340
Would you agree with that?

2072
03:02:01,140 --> 03:02:03,520
If a bank also had, what are the other points

2073
03:02:03,520 --> 03:02:04,000
that could use it?

2074
03:02:04,020 --> 03:02:06,200
I think people, you know, because it's a landfill,

2075
03:02:06,520 --> 03:02:08,000
they assume it's gonna be used to the own,

2076
03:02:08,100 --> 03:02:10,120
they assume that the county owns it.

2077
03:02:10,140 --> 03:02:11,780
We've never owned that landfill.

2078
03:02:12,660 --> 03:02:14,140
We, we, we do not go into that landfill.

2079
03:02:14,140 --> 03:02:17,240
It's always been a privately owned and operated landfills.

2080
03:02:17,480 --> 03:02:19,940
And we did not have the authority over it.

2081
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:23,360
So, thank you.

2082
03:02:23,580 --> 03:02:30,000
And I'm not trying to make this confrontation because I do know that we have to, the goal

2083
03:02:30,000 --> 03:02:36,920
is the same for our citizens, for this board, for DQ, for the state I believe, to solve

2084
03:02:36,920 --> 03:02:37,560
the problem.

2085
03:02:37,560 --> 03:02:44,720
So I know I'm going into some details that, honestly, I'm not trying to be adversarial to you.

2086
03:02:44,720 --> 03:02:46,960
I'm just trying to make clearifications.

2087
03:02:48,220 --> 03:02:50,900
I don't feel any adversarials.

2088
03:02:51,300 --> 03:02:55,540
But what I think the key is, you know, right now we have a regulatory structure that limits

2089
03:02:55,540 --> 03:02:58,600
what we have authority to do just like it limits you.

2090
03:02:59,020 --> 03:03:02,700
And we don't have financial surges that can cover these costs.

2091
03:03:03,040 --> 03:03:04,780
And the whole system was created.

2092
03:03:04,780 --> 03:03:21,800
It's an infinite consequence of having liners in 1989 to put in groundwork and damnation that led to this problem the regs have never adjusted so we need more powerful regulations to provide a financial assurance so that people aren't incentivized like this situation to run.

2093
03:03:22,500 --> 03:03:33,840
I agree with you fully and I do think that I believe every member of this board has advocated with our what we call our state delegation represent in Chesterfield County.

2094
03:03:33,840 --> 03:03:45,360
and we've seen many of them that have worked towards changing what the state law says

2095
03:03:46,100 --> 03:03:50,660
to make sure that this doesn't happen again in the future, but that's not going to

2096
03:03:50,660 --> 03:03:54,320
solve what's already happening and we have to make sure that it's cleaned up and

2097
03:03:54,320 --> 03:03:58,660
taking care of properly. But I do appreciate the help from the state

2098
03:03:58,660 --> 03:04:11,180
delegation in the first 10.6 million to get that through this budget process because it was extremely late in the budget process when they found that they needed to do that.

2099
03:04:11,440 --> 03:04:25,920
So I appreciate efforts and efforts were made honestly on both sides of the aisle at the state level and I want to think all of the senators and delegates that have worked diligently to help support our citizens in Chesterfield.

2100
03:04:25,920 --> 03:04:31,660
And I can only hope that they will continue to bring their allies across the rest of the

2101
03:04:31,660 --> 03:04:38,400
state to continue to support the effort that needs to be fulfilled here so that we can

2102
03:04:38,400 --> 03:04:40,220
make sure we don't have any issues.

2103
03:04:40,860 --> 03:04:41,560
We did here.

2104
03:04:41,560 --> 03:04:44,640
We got a short term plan, which is basically this fiscal year.

2105
03:04:45,180 --> 03:04:52,040
We believe we have enough money to make it through June 31st and we believe that before

2106
03:04:52,040 --> 03:04:59,100
than the longer term plan is being developed because we are putting out request for proposals

2107
03:04:59,740 --> 03:05:04,920
to multiple companies which you didn't say the night, I don't think I might have missed it,

2108
03:05:04,980 --> 03:05:10,140
but we do actually have multiple companies that want to bid on this process and so we think

2109
03:05:10,140 --> 03:05:16,560
that's a good, that's good towards getting a good resolution because we'll have probably

2110
03:05:16,560 --> 03:05:24,440
several different opportunities to look at, and the experts to something that Dr. Miller said,

2111
03:05:24,440 --> 03:05:33,020
what's our part of the collaborative approach, our part is to make sure that the pre-treatment

2112
03:05:33,020 --> 03:05:41,660
system is designed adequately to protect the county system and to ensure that the operations

2113
03:05:41,660 --> 03:05:50,400
are done to the best that we can have a peace in it to make sure that that takes place.

2114
03:05:50,580 --> 03:05:55,320
I understand you can't make commitments on money because you don't appropriate it, so that's

2115
03:05:55,320 --> 03:06:00,600
why you're very careful in your words, but I do appreciate the fact that the state overall

2116
03:06:00,600 --> 03:06:09,880
has stepped up to say, yes, this is where the money should come from in the event that the legislators

2117
03:06:09,880 --> 03:06:12,720
and the governor appropriate.

2118
03:06:13,820 --> 03:06:20,760
So again, I'm thankful, but I'm very much asking the state to continue that effort

2119
03:06:20,760 --> 03:06:27,500
as we bring a better long-term plan, not because we haven't tried to develop one, but

2120
03:06:27,500 --> 03:06:32,580
because we truly haven't had time to fully develop that long-term plan, but once we know

2121
03:06:32,580 --> 03:06:36,780
What that looks like we are looking to the state to fund that.

2122
03:06:38,260 --> 03:06:45,660
The, in the April report, there was, and I want to get two technical and a lot of things.

2123
03:06:45,820 --> 03:06:51,320
But there was a high arsenic concentration in a couple places.

2124
03:06:52,380 --> 03:07:00,600
But I believe there was some May and June reports that came out that may have shown some better readings.

2125
03:07:02,160 --> 03:07:12,060
There's multiple theories and we're having our technical experts with your county's technical experts and the trustees experts all look at that together to figure what's going on.

2126
03:07:12,420 --> 03:07:27,540
So, we're aware of it. We're working on it. We don't have a final answer of why April's readings came up the way they did, but we are continuing to monitor and we feel like we have a plan at least at this time to keep everybody safe.

2127
03:07:27,540 --> 03:07:28,300
Is that correct?

2128
03:07:28,620 --> 03:07:28,920
It's correct.

2129
03:07:29,140 --> 03:07:33,660
And I should point out, as you had mentioned this last week, we are in the process of standing

2130
03:07:33,660 --> 03:07:34,280
up a website.

2131
03:07:34,560 --> 03:07:37,940
The first version will be shooting for next Wednesday to be complete.

2132
03:07:38,780 --> 03:07:44,720
It will be continued to add upon and we're going to basically provide as much information

2133
03:07:44,720 --> 03:07:47,680
as we possibly can in a timely manner.

2134
03:07:48,060 --> 03:07:53,880
Going back retroactively as well, some of the testing that it was protected during this

2135
03:07:53,880 --> 03:07:55,460
the Asian effort has now been released.

2136
03:07:56,120 --> 03:07:58,820
Trusty was very kind to release all this information.

2137
03:07:59,580 --> 03:08:02,120
So our communications have will be adding it to a website.

2138
03:08:02,980 --> 03:08:04,380
So everything is going to be public.

2139
03:08:04,760 --> 03:08:07,020
If things are, some things are public now,

2140
03:08:07,220 --> 03:08:08,960
but everything will be fully public

2141
03:08:08,960 --> 03:08:11,220
and hopefully within a week or so.

2142
03:08:11,460 --> 03:08:13,360
And we'll just continue to improve that website

2143
03:08:13,360 --> 03:08:14,660
as time goes on.

2144
03:08:15,240 --> 03:08:17,760
I think you mentioned it earlier, but

2145
03:08:17,760 --> 03:08:20,540
so LHA was found in some of the outfalls

2146
03:08:20,540 --> 03:08:22,360
of some of the BMPs.

2147
03:08:22,360 --> 03:08:29,560
But I believe I heard you say that there was no evidence that that lay chain made it to the

2148
03:08:29,560 --> 03:08:30,940
creeks that I hear that correctly.

2149
03:08:31,620 --> 03:08:32,820
And that's what we believe.

2150
03:08:33,340 --> 03:08:36,540
Obviously during a storm there could be something that we didn't see visual evidence of.

2151
03:08:37,100 --> 03:08:42,660
But the vacuum trucks are used to basically suck it up in the pre-treatment areas of each

2152
03:08:42,660 --> 03:08:43,560
BMP system.

2153
03:08:44,300 --> 03:08:44,960
So that's our goal.

2154
03:08:45,160 --> 03:08:46,520
It's preventive from leaving the site.

2155
03:08:46,780 --> 03:08:51,120
We do have monitoring in the stream as well, hopefully we would pick up any signs of any

2156
03:08:51,120 --> 03:08:51,420
regions.

2157
03:08:51,420 --> 03:08:54,040
So we are taking samples.

2158
03:08:54,740 --> 03:08:56,160
I know we're taking water samples.

2159
03:08:56,440 --> 03:09:00,760
Are they taking any soil samples, just to see

2160
03:09:01,900 --> 03:09:04,980
what that channel going to the creek might have.

2161
03:09:05,040 --> 03:09:06,820
I don't believe they've been taking any soil samples,

2162
03:09:06,960 --> 03:09:08,240
just water samples.

2163
03:09:08,480 --> 03:09:12,100
And is it normal to just monitor the water and not the soil?

2164
03:09:12,300 --> 03:09:14,000
That's normal, unless there's actually

2165
03:09:14,000 --> 03:09:19,340
physical visible material out there.

2166
03:09:19,340 --> 03:09:28,440
So we had visible evidence at the outfall itself, but not all the way to the channel to the crew, but not into the crew.

2167
03:09:29,660 --> 03:09:32,880
I appreciate the clarifications on that.

2168
03:09:37,830 --> 03:09:42,310
I think that I probably use well more than my time.

2169
03:09:42,450 --> 03:09:46,230
I want to thank the board for indulging me on those questions.

2170
03:09:46,230 --> 03:09:57,270
And I am sure that I missed somebody's question that's reached out to me, but it was not for lack of trying to make sure we were thorough in our conversation tonight.

2171
03:09:57,490 --> 03:09:58,370
So thank you for your time.

2172
03:09:58,910 --> 03:09:59,770
We're available.

2173
03:09:59,990 --> 03:10:02,230
And our website will have a contact email.

2174
03:10:03,210 --> 03:10:08,850
Brad has been tasked to be reviewing all those and getting our subject matter experts throughout the EQ to help.

2175
03:10:08,950 --> 03:10:11,410
Obviously we're doing in cooperation with Chesterfield.

2176
03:10:11,410 --> 03:10:16,050
So we're going to answer any questions we can and keep working together to get this addressed.

2177
03:10:16,530 --> 03:10:17,070
Thank you.

2178
03:10:17,230 --> 03:10:17,750
All right.

2179
03:10:18,310 --> 03:10:18,470
Senator.

2180
03:10:20,030 --> 03:10:28,290
Jesse, you had said in an email that you were going to address the, I know he brought that, but the arsenic level situation and the readings and how it might have been.

2181
03:10:28,310 --> 03:10:28,590
Sure.

2182
03:10:28,970 --> 03:10:33,750
So yeah, we, we, we saw sort of what was noted that we actually don't think that was arsenic.

2183
03:10:34,170 --> 03:10:36,570
We, we think someone's reading the column wrong.

2184
03:10:36,570 --> 03:10:40,450
But it was a total toxic organics is what it was.

2185
03:10:40,630 --> 03:10:43,690
I believe that was because of the addition of naphthalene,

2186
03:10:43,850 --> 03:10:45,270
which from your high school chemistry classroom,

2187
03:10:45,470 --> 03:10:49,410
may remember as mothballs, which was material that's used

2188
03:10:49,410 --> 03:10:51,350
to clean leechate collection systems.

2189
03:10:51,350 --> 03:10:53,790
So that's why that reading thing to say a high,

2190
03:10:54,050 --> 03:10:56,930
I think was noted as 170,000 micrograms per liter.

2191
03:10:58,970 --> 03:11:02,430
But yes, yeah, we, again, that's not my information.

2192
03:11:02,430 --> 03:11:07,470
So Scott Spedley, again, is really our expert in this.

2193
03:11:07,910 --> 03:11:11,570
He has a background in utilities, water treatment, wastewater treatment.

2194
03:11:12,530 --> 03:11:18,130
If we have specific questions like that, we will get those answered and try to address people's concerns.

2195
03:11:18,790 --> 03:11:22,310
So should it sit us in direct those to you or to Scott?

2196
03:11:22,590 --> 03:11:24,570
JW at Chesterfield.gov.

2197
03:11:25,170 --> 03:11:27,470
And maybe I'll make sure that they get their answer back.

2198
03:11:27,470 --> 03:11:30,710
But just to be absolutely clear what happened was there was someone in the community

2199
03:11:30,710 --> 03:11:32,330
didn't misread the column.

2200
03:11:32,910 --> 03:11:37,270
Yeah, and it's hard for us to sort of interpret that, just get a snippets of emails of, hey,

2201
03:11:37,370 --> 03:11:43,550
I see a number here. It's a 750 page document. So we're guessing based on the numbers that we

2202
03:11:43,550 --> 03:11:48,730
find in those studies as to what they're referring to. I know Scott did call that person or

2203
03:11:48,730 --> 03:11:53,370
at least as talk to them and explain that as well. So if anybody has questions, we will get them

2204
03:11:53,370 --> 03:12:03,010
answers, and I do think they also called it out in another location, but I'm sure that Scott

2205
03:12:03,010 --> 03:12:08,270
can work with that person. I just want to make sure that questions are fully answered.

2206
03:12:08,690 --> 03:12:09,350
Thank you for that.

2207
03:12:09,410 --> 03:12:10,390
We are happy to do that.

2208
03:12:10,390 --> 03:12:11,370
That's what I was doing.

2209
03:12:12,130 --> 03:12:13,510
How many pages was that report?

2210
03:12:14,370 --> 03:12:15,810
That's the April report, 750.

2211
03:12:16,310 --> 03:12:17,330
750 pages.

2212
03:12:17,930 --> 03:12:25,110
So, I need this to say, with being 750 pages, the person or people that read it obviously

2213
03:12:25,110 --> 03:12:31,770
and truly understand are those of the experts to be able to interpret it is, I guess I'm

2214
03:12:31,770 --> 03:12:37,330
making the point that even with all, that's a tone of information, it's easy to pull out

2215
03:12:37,330 --> 03:12:40,470
a snippet and think it's one thing and it may be something else.

2216
03:12:41,190 --> 03:12:45,450
I'm not qualified to read that report and I have a degree in biological systems engineering

2217
03:12:45,450 --> 03:12:50,970
and my license engineer. I don't read those things. We have people to do. Let's let them read it and

2218
03:12:50,970 --> 03:12:54,170
interpret it and if folks have questions, we will get them to get them to get them to get.

2219
03:12:54,410 --> 03:12:55,770
All right. Thank you. Sikar.

2220
03:12:58,400 --> 03:13:02,440
Well, in that person's defense, they did email us back later and say that

2221
03:13:02,440 --> 03:13:06,960
they pointed out the correct stuff that they were trying to point to. I mean, it is a pretty comprehensive

2222
03:13:06,960 --> 03:13:12,720
report and there's a lot of information in there and I'm not qualified to testify that that report

2223
03:13:12,720 --> 03:13:13,800
either for that matter.

2224
03:13:14,900 --> 03:13:19,040
But my question is about the burn, the wall, okay?

2225
03:13:20,020 --> 03:13:26,160
In August of 2020, we had a 700-year storm in just a field county.

2226
03:13:27,360 --> 03:13:31,940
Tenages of rain were dropped on us in a take of five or six-hour period.

2227
03:13:33,360 --> 03:13:38,180
I know that almost every road, I think it was actually every road from a whole street,

2228
03:13:38,180 --> 03:13:44,520
all the way to clone your heights was shut down that swift creek ran next to, right?

2229
03:13:44,680 --> 03:13:48,400
So, hull street actually had three feet of water over top of it.

2230
03:13:48,760 --> 03:13:53,000
Our Addison Evans plant, and I think utilities is probably here, it can actually say that

2231
03:13:53,780 --> 03:13:58,940
it was under like 12 feet of water, and we actually had to rebuild the plant, and when

2232
03:13:58,940 --> 03:14:06,000
now we're putting a wall up, a flood wall, I was trying to get home, and so I had to

2233
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:12,260
go south of all the way to the one-apoc road to get to a road that goes south of Swift Creek

2234
03:14:12,260 --> 03:14:13,640
to get to where I live in the county.

2235
03:14:14,500 --> 03:14:16,420
But every single road was shut down.

2236
03:14:16,480 --> 03:14:21,180
Can you go back to the map of where the wall is in relation to the creeks?

2237
03:14:26,400 --> 03:14:27,880
I think he just passed it.

2238
03:14:28,080 --> 03:14:28,600
Maybe not.

2239
03:14:29,800 --> 03:14:29,900
Right.

2240
03:14:30,380 --> 03:14:30,620
All right.

2241
03:14:31,440 --> 03:14:34,020
So can you point out where Swift Creek is, relation to that?

2242
03:14:34,080 --> 03:14:38,710
If the wall's footprint creek is to the left, which is...

2243
03:14:38,710 --> 03:14:40,230
Can you point it out in the point of testing?

2244
03:14:40,230 --> 03:14:43,090
So it's people in the community can see it.

2245
03:14:43,090 --> 03:14:48,070
Sorry, we were having technical issues with this the other night, so let's see if we can push that button.

2246
03:14:50,860 --> 03:14:53,340
Alright, so Swift Creek's over here, right?

2247
03:14:53,360 --> 03:14:53,600
Yeah.

2248
03:14:53,920 --> 03:14:55,820
So it's not far from the landfill.

2249
03:14:56,240 --> 03:14:57,620
Yeah, it's just meandering.

2250
03:14:57,740 --> 03:14:58,560
Let me enter soon.

2251
03:15:00,080 --> 03:15:04,520
Back when this storm occurred, and you may not know the answer to this and we may have to do some research.

2252
03:15:04,700 --> 03:15:13,120
Do we know if in that section of the creek when it comes by, did it overflow its banks and flow into the area?

2253
03:15:13,140 --> 03:15:19,440
Because we know it overflowed the banks, everywhere else, quality road, B-troad, everything was on the flood.

2254
03:15:20,000 --> 03:15:22,700
To my knowledge, we do not know that. We'll have to look it back to you on that.

2255
03:15:22,700 --> 03:15:31,100
We do have, I'll dig them up, but we have pictures from Pekka to State Park nearby and some other things.

2256
03:15:31,360 --> 03:15:37,500
I'll see what we have, but we have some floodgages out here, so I'll talk to Jess Winter over in a emergency management

2257
03:15:37,500 --> 03:15:40,160
and see if we have any historical records from back then.

2258
03:15:41,020 --> 03:15:46,640
If you saw the pictures about Kahana, I mean, the swings were completely flooded, it was way up.

2259
03:15:46,740 --> 03:15:51,880
So we could probably extrapolate some sort of idea of where that floodplain would have been relative to this particular.

2260
03:15:51,880 --> 03:15:58,440
But the reason I ask is, if the banks overflowed, and I think probably even knocking on doors

2261
03:15:58,440 --> 03:16:02,860
with some of the people living that neighborhood next to that might be able to even speak to that.

2262
03:16:04,440 --> 03:16:09,880
But if it overflowed its banks in there at a 700-year storm, which flooded, like I said, a majority

2263
03:16:09,880 --> 03:16:11,140
of the county roads,

2264
03:16:13,940 --> 03:16:18,280
again, I didn't see any evidence, at least in the picture that was shown

2265
03:16:18,280 --> 03:16:20,400
than it eroded the wall?

2266
03:16:21,220 --> 03:16:26,380
If I could add, there's been, you know, Mike noted this, there's been no movement in the wall. They've set up survey equipment.

2267
03:16:27,740 --> 03:16:32,480
You know, those walls typically you don't see any sort of catastrophic failure. You'll start to see

2268
03:16:32,480 --> 03:16:36,440
shifting and movement and migration and other things, but you don't, with those MSC

2269
03:16:36,440 --> 03:16:41,260
berms, because they're, like you said, they're very common in highway constructed and some other things.

2270
03:16:41,340 --> 03:16:46,360
You don't typically see just any sort of catastrophic failure. You start to see movement

2271
03:16:46,360 --> 03:16:50,680
But very, very micro-scopic move that you have to pick up with the survey equipment.

2272
03:16:51,160 --> 03:16:54,640
But the fear is that if something happens internally in the landfill,

2273
03:16:55,160 --> 03:16:56,740
that could create a problem for the wall.

2274
03:16:57,100 --> 03:16:57,920
Yes or no?

2275
03:16:59,340 --> 03:17:04,600
That's our catastrophic concern, but so far we haven't seen any evidence of any movement.

2276
03:17:05,240 --> 03:17:06,880
So I don't think it's a high risk.

2277
03:17:07,380 --> 03:17:10,800
Well, I mean, because there's some people believe because there was fly ash used in the construction

2278
03:17:10,800 --> 03:17:15,760
of the wall, that's a danger to the community and that the wall needs to be completely replaced immediately.

2279
03:17:15,760 --> 03:17:25,340
And the fly-action actually, you can look at it two ways, it's a cementatious material, so it actually could be increasing the stability as if it got wet.

2280
03:17:26,240 --> 03:17:28,640
So it's not a cut-and-dry answer.

2281
03:17:28,920 --> 03:17:29,120
No point.

2282
03:17:29,320 --> 03:17:31,180
You know, at the time, I wasn't around at the time.

2283
03:17:31,660 --> 03:17:32,100
No point.

2284
03:17:32,280 --> 03:17:32,720
No point.

2285
03:17:33,140 --> 03:17:33,460
Sorry.

2286
03:17:34,680 --> 03:17:37,600
But I wasn't here obviously when it was approved and designed and built.

2287
03:17:38,820 --> 03:17:43,240
But you know, it's, it's, we don't not expect it to be a significant problem,

2288
03:17:43,240 --> 03:17:48,340
But we'll definitely taking your suggestion, you know, work with Jesse to look into number one,

2289
03:17:48,360 --> 03:17:50,160
the hundred-year floodplain elevation issue.

2290
03:17:50,700 --> 03:17:54,940
Most likely it's not that significant because there was no evidence so far of any any problems,

2291
03:17:55,500 --> 03:17:57,640
but that was before the wall was built.

2292
03:17:58,000 --> 03:17:58,400
That flood.

2293
03:17:59,200 --> 03:18:02,660
Well, I mean, my concern is that whether or not the wall is going to have an issue or not,

2294
03:18:02,780 --> 03:18:08,840
we know from in the past we've had several buildings in Chesterwood County,

2295
03:18:08,840 --> 03:18:15,480
that had fly ash used in, I guess, in the stabilization, underneath the buildings, they

2296
03:18:15,480 --> 03:18:21,620
homedepo was one of them, where fly ash was used to help stabilize the soil underneath

2297
03:18:21,620 --> 03:18:25,880
the concrete and the whole concrete floor cracked and they had to replace it, and that

2298
03:18:25,880 --> 03:18:33,960
was a different type of issue, but obviously I just want to make sure that there is no problem

2299
03:18:33,960 --> 03:18:38,620
with this wall right now and that we continue to monitor to make sure that there is not one

2300
03:18:38,620 --> 03:18:43,900
and we don't believe that the fly ash is created in the media sea, that's going to add

2301
03:18:43,900 --> 03:18:48,940
to that $173 million price tag, and that's something we have to look at replacing immediately.

2302
03:18:49,760 --> 03:18:51,900
At this time, we have no knowledge of any problem.

2303
03:18:52,240 --> 03:18:57,160
The June report was just recently completed, and that's going to be on our website as well

2304
03:18:57,160 --> 03:19:00,860
that shows the current monitoring, and we're going to continue the monitoring and make sure

2305
03:19:00,860 --> 03:19:02,640
that there isn't signs of a problem.

2306
03:19:04,080 --> 03:19:05,040
Thank you.

2307
03:19:05,040 --> 03:19:34,900
And so I just want to be clear kind of picking up on Mr. Carroll saying it's not as if we need to create or build a second retaining wall behind it just in case it were to we're not worried about whether it is going to collapse correct we're not worried about it and we don't have any plant this any need to have another wall built there the biggest need is to prevent any increase in leachay which does put more loading on the wall and so we have to get rid of leachay number one not for the

2308
03:19:34,900 --> 03:19:39,400
loading and hydrostatic loading. It's for the temperature and the elevated temperature landfill.

2309
03:19:39,960 --> 03:19:43,680
A secondary benefit, or removing leachate, is less pressure on the wall.

2310
03:19:44,180 --> 03:19:46,480
All right. Then I had a question for you. If you were to continue

2311
03:19:46,480 --> 03:19:50,180
dislodves, there was one picture that confuses me a little bit.

2312
03:19:50,960 --> 03:19:55,800
Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going.

2313
03:19:56,100 --> 03:19:57,780
Keep going. Keep going.

2314
03:19:57,780 --> 03:20:00,100
Keep going. There is one that look like a geyser.

2315
03:20:00,860 --> 03:20:04,380
That's one of them. That's the one. That's the one.

2316
03:20:04,380 --> 03:20:09,340
Can you tell me a little bit about what we're looking at there and is that something that's happening out on our business?

2317
03:20:10,480 --> 03:20:12,320
It has happened, okay?

2318
03:20:12,440 --> 03:20:14,100
It has basically pressure.

2319
03:20:14,820 --> 03:20:16,260
You know, so that has happened.

2320
03:20:16,640 --> 03:20:18,500
And that's something we have to stop.

2321
03:20:18,780 --> 03:20:20,160
You know, we have to get rid of the leachate.

2322
03:20:20,180 --> 03:20:21,580
We have to get it out.

2323
03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:23,400
We have to make sure it's not on your pressure.

2324
03:20:23,760 --> 03:20:27,380
Sometimes in these elevated temperature lamp fills, you'll have

2325
03:20:28,660 --> 03:20:33,680
Liquid is at a higher temperature than boiling, but under pressure so they don't boil,

2326
03:20:33,980 --> 03:20:37,800
but then when you have a release of pressure, they can boil and have a geyser.

2327
03:20:38,320 --> 03:20:41,160
But that is something that's happened to our level, it's just depicting correct.

2328
03:20:41,160 --> 03:20:43,220
If it happened here, it happened here.

2329
03:20:43,240 --> 03:20:52,500
It doesn't happen very often, but again, another reason to get this leechade out, and I will say the trustee

2330
03:20:52,500 --> 03:20:57,360
And they're doing everything in their power to do it right, to get this leechate out.

2331
03:20:57,460 --> 03:20:59,240
I mean, they're doing a, they're really doing a good job.

2332
03:20:59,920 --> 03:21:04,840
We just got to give them more time and more money and more resources in terms of once we get

2333
03:21:04,840 --> 03:21:07,120
a treatment system, we can get more leechate out.

2334
03:21:07,220 --> 03:21:13,760
We're, we're, we're hemmed in by trucking and we're going to bring it to Mr. Chair.

2335
03:21:13,960 --> 03:21:14,480
Thank you.

2336
03:21:14,660 --> 03:21:15,560
Other questions from the board?

2337
03:21:15,820 --> 03:21:16,300
Dr. Hill.

2338
03:21:17,100 --> 03:21:23,160
No, not so much a question as much as a statement, you know, one, thank you so much for

2339
03:21:23,160 --> 03:21:31,300
Your help, you've had community meeting last week in the Highlands neighborhood, thought that went very well,

2340
03:21:31,300 --> 03:21:37,880
well received a lot of positive feedback about the information that you presented, and also,

2341
03:21:37,980 --> 03:21:44,700
you know, people have a lot of faith in confidence in your background, which, if you could take a moment,

2342
03:21:44,960 --> 03:21:50,360
just to kind of describe the background that you have and those are all your staff for a moment.

2343
03:21:50,360 --> 03:21:54,900
And I think that's one thing that this crowd hadn't gotten,

2344
03:21:55,120 --> 03:22:00,820
it's kind of understanding what it has taken to get to where you are in terms of

2345
03:22:00,820 --> 03:22:01,620
you get a career.

2346
03:22:02,660 --> 03:22:02,800
Right.

2347
03:22:02,800 --> 03:22:07,020
And also some of the folks that are on your staff that are kind of working through this project.

2348
03:22:08,000 --> 03:22:11,580
So I know it brought a lot of confidence to that crowd there.

2349
03:22:11,740 --> 03:22:14,580
So hopefully give you the opportunity here, too.

2350
03:22:14,920 --> 03:22:18,820
So we're number one, our project manager that we've designed for this project is Brad

2351
03:22:18,820 --> 03:22:19,140
Rick.

2352
03:22:19,140 --> 03:22:26,560
and he is right there. And he's been with DQ at 20 years now. So he's been involved in this type

2353
03:22:26,560 --> 03:22:31,600
project and in this compliance requirements for all these years. John Geese, he's spreading the

2354
03:22:31,600 --> 03:22:37,340
retired into this year. And he's also, he's been in our hazardous waste group in our emergency

2355
03:22:37,340 --> 03:22:42,340
response group in our community cage and the group. So he's been dealing with these types of problems

2356
03:22:42,340 --> 03:22:46,100
Again, 35 years now, 30 years.

2357
03:22:46,400 --> 03:22:47,300
Okay, I'm old, right?

2358
03:22:47,320 --> 03:22:48,180
I just turned 69.

2359
03:22:48,660 --> 03:22:51,140
So I got at a high school in 75.

2360
03:22:51,880 --> 03:22:54,060
I guess, and almost the same age.

2361
03:22:55,320 --> 03:22:58,420
But my career basically started at a batches

2362
03:22:58,420 --> 03:23:00,400
and a master's in civil and environmental engineering,

2363
03:23:00,420 --> 03:23:03,340
specialized in geotech and my master's in the Navy and finance,

2364
03:23:03,660 --> 03:23:05,640
went to Cornell for all three degrees.

2365
03:23:06,320 --> 03:23:07,760
I was in the construction industry,

2366
03:23:08,120 --> 03:23:09,960
and then in the real estate development,

2367
03:23:09,960 --> 03:23:13,060
and basically start getting weathered permits for developer

2368
03:23:13,060 --> 03:23:17,040
and start my own company back in 1988, sold it in 2014,

2369
03:23:17,500 --> 03:23:18,860
worked there full time for three years,

2370
03:23:19,120 --> 03:23:20,560
and then part time while I taught

2371
03:23:20,560 --> 03:23:22,100
I was a professor of practice at Cornell,

2372
03:23:22,240 --> 03:23:23,600
went back to my alma mater, because my,

2373
03:23:24,160 --> 03:23:25,580
well, you're not my hydraulic professor,

2374
03:23:26,020 --> 03:23:28,000
can miss me to come back, and it was a blast,

2375
03:23:28,200 --> 03:23:30,500
but my wife did not like the cold and the thick in New York.

2376
03:23:31,380 --> 03:23:33,380
And so, but I moved, actually,

2377
03:23:33,940 --> 03:23:36,420
first time was a co-op student DC in 78,

2378
03:23:36,540 --> 03:23:38,540
but then moved full time to Virginia in 85.

2379
03:23:38,540 --> 03:23:44,680
And so I've been in Virginia and Northern Virginia in my whole career, basically, majority of it.

2380
03:23:44,800 --> 03:23:49,480
I had a couple hundred employees when I left and played teacher for a little bit.

2381
03:23:49,980 --> 03:23:56,660
And then retired again, played farmer for a little tiny bit, and learned I can have to lose money farming.

2382
03:23:57,480 --> 03:24:04,620
And basically, I never heard of Governor Young Kim, but I read an article in interview.

2383
03:24:04,620 --> 03:24:09,540
And he wanted someone to improve the environmental permeate process, so I wrote them a letter.

2384
03:24:10,320 --> 03:24:11,460
So that's how I came here.

2385
03:24:12,020 --> 03:24:13,200
And it's been a great challenge.

2386
03:24:13,260 --> 03:24:13,940
It's a great time.

2387
03:24:14,100 --> 03:24:16,280
We've made incredible improvements to DQ.

2388
03:24:16,580 --> 03:24:20,780
Most of my career was getting permits from DQ and local governments and the Army Corps engineers.

2389
03:24:21,580 --> 03:24:26,320
So I knew that systems and from a different side and a lot of the people I work with now,

2390
03:24:26,960 --> 03:24:28,800
I work with, you know, on the other side.

2391
03:24:29,420 --> 03:24:33,000
I've taught lots of classes over the years both for DQ and the Army Corps around the country.

2392
03:24:33,760 --> 03:24:34,920
And I really appreciate it.

2393
03:24:36,160 --> 03:24:36,280
Yeah.

2394
03:24:36,420 --> 03:24:38,480
It's really helpful and very grateful.

2395
03:24:38,620 --> 03:24:39,940
Any other questions from Mr. Chair?

2396
03:24:40,380 --> 03:24:41,540
I think you have one of them.

2397
03:24:43,680 --> 03:24:47,900
And I know someone's here from the EPA and they haven't said anything.

2398
03:24:48,100 --> 03:24:54,060
We hadn't really asked anything, but I would say that this board is interested and

2399
03:24:54,060 --> 03:25:00,140
we've actually reached out to some of our representation at the federal level to bring

2400
03:25:00,140 --> 03:25:06,440
the EPA in and I know that this is not a super fun site, it's a super fun site is set up

2401
03:25:07,700 --> 03:25:16,320
for some a landfill that did not have regulation and wasn't permanent properly I believe

2402
03:25:16,320 --> 03:25:24,120
is how they call super fun sites but we do invite the EPA in any guidance, anything you

2403
03:25:24,120 --> 03:25:29,220
can do to help us and any funding you can bring us to help make this happen so thank you

2404
03:25:29,220 --> 03:25:30,440
being here tonight.

2405
03:25:35,210 --> 03:25:40,410
So all about my name is Miles Bartis, I'm the on-scene coordinator for EPA, working

2406
03:25:40,410 --> 03:25:45,730
with DEQ for years or partners, right now we really don't have a place for this, given

2407
03:25:45,730 --> 03:25:50,190
the conditions and everything that is going on, but we keep an eye on it, we reviewed the

2408
03:25:50,190 --> 03:25:55,190
data and reviewed their plans, so we fully support and plan on either technical assistance

2409
03:25:55,190 --> 03:25:59,690
wherever we can, as you can tell, I have a really good handle on what's needed, it really

2410
03:25:59,690 --> 03:26:05,050
down the money. We also don't do grants in the super fun program. We do when no one else can do it,

2411
03:26:05,170 --> 03:26:10,470
that's when we come in and when certain criteria are met. So we're continuing to be involved. We'll

2412
03:26:10,470 --> 03:26:15,810
feel any questions you have. I appreciate the time being here. Thank you. We'll continue to reach out

2413
03:26:15,810 --> 03:26:22,130
to our federal level partners that represent Cheshpeal County as well to see if we can get them to

2414
03:26:22,670 --> 03:26:28,330
maybe not through the EPA but through another form to help get this solved as quickly as possible.

2415
03:26:28,330 --> 03:26:32,270
Thank you. Dr. Heldon, did you have additional questions?

2416
03:26:33,230 --> 03:26:38,450
I just wanted just to say too that I think it's important to note that this is the state

2417
03:26:38,450 --> 03:26:46,750
coming to the aid of a privately owned landfill and not, so I don't want people to say that,

2418
03:26:46,750 --> 03:26:52,330
you know, you are coming to give Tesla County the money to fix this. This is you are rescuing

2419
03:26:52,330 --> 03:26:58,850
private entity. And so hopefully it'll be no impacts for Tesla residents from other funding

2420
03:26:58,850 --> 03:27:05,550
that we'll receive from the state or federal level that this is really again, I want to say it again

2421
03:27:05,550 --> 03:27:22,310
to be clear, the state government coming to rescue privately held entity. So just want to make that

2422
03:27:22,310 --> 03:27:32,590
to describe their alleged, but I mean, which is really the point, isn't it? That we're grateful

2423
03:27:32,590 --> 03:27:37,010
for the support that you're giving so we can move this process forward. I think the

2424
03:27:37,010 --> 03:27:42,550
actions, frankly, were despicable. I'm not sure that that is a legal term, but I can tell

2425
03:27:42,550 --> 03:27:46,930
you, it certainly is an emotional one. Do you have Mr. Carroll?

2426
03:27:46,930 --> 03:27:48,370
question for EPA.

2427
03:27:53,260 --> 03:27:58,920
So I know there's talk of bad actors and what role does the EPA work

2428
03:27:58,920 --> 03:28:04,320
with any federal authority in investigating something like this where there could have been

2429
03:28:04,320 --> 03:28:13,780
some type of violation of regulations, not just state regulations, but possible federal

2430
03:28:13,780 --> 03:28:20,880
regulations relating to environmental issues. So what is EPA's role in that? And then

2431
03:28:20,880 --> 03:28:25,960
What agency would you work with if there was an investigation to be done?

2432
03:28:26,720 --> 03:28:30,700
So two parts of that question, I'd say the one would be a criminal side and one would

2433
03:28:30,700 --> 03:28:32,120
just be the civil side.

2434
03:28:32,660 --> 03:28:38,100
Certainly, record subtitled D-Lanthals, a record program, resource conservation recovery

2435
03:28:38,100 --> 03:28:38,920
act group.

2436
03:28:39,120 --> 03:28:42,720
They would look at the violations of how they operated within their permits.

2437
03:28:43,100 --> 03:28:47,040
Much of that authority is delegated to the Commonwealth in the Virginia.

2438
03:28:47,040 --> 03:28:52,100
If it was a criminal side, we have a criminal investigation division that will also works

2439
03:28:52,100 --> 03:28:58,280
closely with the Commonwealth of Virginia as Attorney General that they look into violations

2440
03:28:58,280 --> 03:29:02,280
for clean water act, clean air act, circular, which is a super fun law.

2441
03:29:03,500 --> 03:29:07,320
Those recommendations can come from me if I'm out there and see something.

2442
03:29:07,480 --> 03:29:12,260
It's outside of my scope of authority or it can come from the state to ask for assistance

2443
03:29:12,260 --> 03:29:13,280
on that.

2444
03:29:14,340 --> 03:29:15,520
Hopefully I answer your question.

2445
03:29:15,520 --> 03:29:28,760
So, if you're involved in this and you come across something, then you'll consult with your agency and also consult with the Attorney General's Office and what federal agency and the criminal side would you consult with?

2446
03:29:29,040 --> 03:29:31,920
So, if we went criminal, it would be a U.S. Attorney's Office.

2447
03:29:31,920 --> 03:29:37,400
look at would be that would mostly be through our office, the regional council, and or the

2448
03:29:37,400 --> 03:29:43,300
criminal investigation division under EPA. Like I said, my title is on team coordinator,

2449
03:29:43,640 --> 03:29:47,840
so I don't, I'm a jack of all trades master of none. We farm out a lot of stuff to the experts,

2450
03:29:48,100 --> 03:29:54,540
I'm much like much like the Commonwealth does for specialty. So any one of us could reach out

2451
03:29:55,320 --> 03:29:59,580
and start that conversation. I think our goal is to make sure that we have the most comprehensive

2452
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:19,280
Opportunity to look at this, to determine if there was anything done and appropriate, and my ask would be that your agency would work directly with the state to be able to accomplish that in any way, shape before, so that we can, if there was something done that shouldn't have been done, we can get it resolved in the best manner possible.

2453
03:30:19,280 --> 03:30:25,700
And I can tell you, we are having multiple conversations across the different programs within the different authorities.

2454
03:30:26,020 --> 03:30:31,280
We obviously have to stay in our lane for each respective roles, but we are continuing to have those conversations.

2455
03:30:31,660 --> 03:30:32,560
Thank you very much.

2456
03:30:32,640 --> 03:30:33,120
Appreciate you.

2457
03:30:33,180 --> 03:30:34,060
Thank you.

2458
03:30:34,860 --> 03:30:36,280
Any other comments for it?

2459
03:30:37,540 --> 03:30:40,340
Well, thank you so much for the energy to time.

2460
03:30:41,000 --> 03:30:43,520
And the heart that you're putting into moving this right direction.

2461
03:30:44,240 --> 03:30:44,700
Thanks.

2462
03:30:44,700 --> 03:30:45,280
Thank you very much.

2463
03:30:45,400 --> 03:30:46,680
The opportunity to hear.

2464
03:30:51,870 --> 03:30:57,290
Be approval of any employment agreement for the County Administrator Mr. Minks.

2465
03:30:57,470 --> 03:31:04,110
Mr. Chair, Members of the Board, at the June 24th meeting, the Board confirmed the

2466
03:31:04,110 --> 03:31:10,450
appointment of Dr. Kevin Catlin as the County Administrator going forward, effective August

2467
03:31:10,450 --> 03:31:18,190
to 24th, 2026. County Administrators serve under employment contracts and have in this county

2468
03:31:18,190 --> 03:31:26,510
for as long as I can recall, and the proposed employment contract for Dr. Catlin is the

2469
03:31:26,510 --> 03:31:28,890
item that's before the board for approval tonight.

2470
03:31:31,070 --> 03:31:34,390
Thank you, Mr. Minks. I'm Board members. May I have a motion to approve the

2471
03:31:34,390 --> 03:31:37,410
appointment agreement for the Chistro County Administrator?

2472
03:31:37,630 --> 03:31:38,410
So moved.

2473
03:31:38,530 --> 03:31:41,810
Second. Second. Any discussion at all?

2474
03:31:43,250 --> 03:31:44,350
All in favor say aye.

2475
03:31:47,130 --> 03:31:48,170
All right.

2476
03:31:48,170 --> 03:31:49,510
but I'm going to call the others.

2477
03:31:50,090 --> 03:31:50,790
All in favor?

2478
03:31:51,250 --> 03:31:51,550
All right.

2479
03:31:51,790 --> 03:31:52,550
Anyone at those?

2480
03:31:55,100 --> 03:31:55,760
That'll work.

2481
03:31:58,470 --> 03:31:59,970
See, appointments, Mr. Chair,

2482
03:32:00,150 --> 03:32:02,310
we have one appointment to the Planning Commission.

2483
03:32:07,840 --> 03:32:11,360
Hey, can I get a motion to approve the,

2484
03:32:11,360 --> 03:32:13,740
I, to approve, I guess I'm going to talk about that.

2485
03:32:13,740 --> 03:32:16,200
For the Planning Commission, can I get a motion for that?

2486
03:32:16,400 --> 03:32:17,580
Motion approved, Mr. Chair.

2487
03:32:17,860 --> 03:32:18,880
All right, can I get a second?

2488
03:32:19,060 --> 03:32:19,280
Second.

2489
03:32:19,680 --> 03:32:20,480
Any discussion?

2490
03:32:20,860 --> 03:32:21,740
Yes, Mr. Chair.

2491
03:32:25,620 --> 03:32:32,320
I want to, with the public, know that there is someone from the community that has come

2492
03:32:32,320 --> 03:32:38,480
forward to serving a role as a planning commissioner for the Matoka District, his name

2493
03:32:38,480 --> 03:32:40,060
is Christopher Chapman.

2494
03:32:43,710 --> 03:32:45,350
It's interesting how I met Mr. Chapman.

2495
03:32:46,650 --> 03:32:53,510
He contacted me because he lives adjacent to a development that was approved a couple of years

2496
03:32:53,510 --> 03:32:58,910
ago that's now starting to come out of the ground that actually may have encroached, or

2497
03:32:58,910 --> 03:33:02,830
he was concerned that it was encroaching on his property.

2498
03:33:04,470 --> 03:33:13,170
And as I got to know him, I got to talk to him, I realized that he is a person who has

2499
03:33:13,170 --> 03:33:18,950
a personal interest from that side, from the development standpoint.

2500
03:33:20,370 --> 03:33:26,430
He has a master's in biomedical engineering from the medical college of Virginia,

2501
03:33:26,770 --> 03:33:33,310
bachelor's of science in biology, biology education, from Virginia Commonwealth University,

2502
03:33:34,710 --> 03:33:38,010
and bachelor's in anthropology from Virginia Commonwealth University.

2503
03:33:38,610 --> 03:33:43,770
But he's also worked in many other capacities currently.

2504
03:33:43,970 --> 03:33:47,130
He's a director of industrial hygiene for a company.

2505
03:33:47,750 --> 03:33:55,670
And he's also served on some state boards, and so he's not new to, he would definitely

2506
03:33:55,670 --> 03:34:01,010
be new to a planning commissioner role, but he's not unknown to, to what a role could

2507
03:34:01,010 --> 03:34:05,650
be in serving the community, and I admire him for stepping up.

2508
03:34:05,690 --> 03:34:10,390
I asked if he'd be interested, I asked him to do some research to look at planning commission

2509
03:34:10,390 --> 03:34:14,530
meetings, to look at many things, which he did.

2510
03:34:14,530 --> 03:34:18,410
And so I'm very honored that he's chosen to do this.

2511
03:34:18,770 --> 03:34:20,830
There's some who believe that we just

2512
03:34:20,830 --> 03:34:23,110
appoint some crony that we know, right?

2513
03:34:23,110 --> 03:34:25,650
Just pick somebody who's in the industry

2514
03:34:25,650 --> 03:34:27,490
and appoint him as a planning commissioner.

2515
03:34:28,790 --> 03:34:29,670
And that's not the case.

2516
03:34:30,190 --> 03:34:33,410
That's certainly not the case in my previous planning commissioner.

2517
03:34:33,710 --> 03:34:36,350
And it is definitely not the case in this.

2518
03:34:36,390 --> 03:34:39,610
And what I like about Chris is his analytical mind,

2519
03:34:39,610 --> 03:34:47,170
As a ability to look at the law and as a ability to communicate and so I look forward to him

2520
03:34:47,950 --> 03:34:52,590
Being approved as a planning commission. I look forward to seeing how he works well

2521
03:34:53,870 --> 03:34:58,790
For the community and as a planning commissioner and working with the other

2522
03:34:58,790 --> 03:35:00,790
Commander planning commissioners

2523
03:35:00,790 --> 03:35:05,650
Moving forward Mr. Chair, and I just wanted to share some of that information with the community

2524
03:35:06,870 --> 03:35:16,270
As to how I actually got to meet Mr. Chapman, it was not, I didn't know him, and I know him now and I think he'll do a great job.

2525
03:35:16,810 --> 03:35:17,410
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2526
03:35:17,610 --> 03:35:19,290
Thank you, Mr. Carol, any other discussion?

2527
03:35:20,610 --> 03:35:21,390
All right, we have a motion.

2528
03:35:21,590 --> 03:35:23,010
We have a properly second.

2529
03:35:23,550 --> 03:35:25,670
It appears if there are any other discussion on favor.

2530
03:35:26,430 --> 03:35:27,610
Hi, anyone opposed?

2531
03:35:28,370 --> 03:35:28,870
Madam Clerk.

2532
03:35:29,550 --> 03:35:58,790
D, adoption of a resolution requesting the circuit court of Chesterfield County to order a referendum election on the question of whether Chesterfield County should be authorized to levy a general retail sales tax not to exceed 1% to provide revenue solely for capital projects for the construction or renovation of schools serving Chesterfield County in accordance with Virginia code section 58.1-605.1 as amended Mr. Harris.

2533
03:36:00,270 --> 03:36:04,330
It's chair members of board, this is a brief presentation.

2534
03:36:04,770 --> 03:36:09,990
Some of you did this afternoon, just kind of teen up this issue, I'll jump right into the

2535
03:36:09,990 --> 03:36:12,610
slides and kind of get you to what we're talking about.

2536
03:36:13,290 --> 03:36:18,530
So, of course, it'll last probably three general assembly sessions, there has been interest

2537
03:36:19,110 --> 03:36:25,030
really throughout the commonwealth about adding a tool to the local government toolkit to

2538
03:36:25,030 --> 03:36:34,110
local governments to enact an additional 1% local sales tax to help with financing of school

2539
03:36:34,110 --> 03:36:40,730
construction and school major maintenance. Oddly enough, I think there are nine localities

2540
03:36:40,730 --> 03:36:47,650
that have that authority currently. And so the interest was to, again, just provide that option

2541
03:36:47,650 --> 03:36:53,710
for the rest of the Commonwealth. There's this recent session. Commonwealth did just that. So as

2542
03:36:53,710 --> 03:36:59,830
of July 1, you have the ability, all localities to pursue this.

2543
03:36:59,970 --> 03:37:01,590
So that's kind of the backstory.

2544
03:37:02,470 --> 03:37:10,350
We've been following that, the language on that has bounced around quite a bit from sort

2545
03:37:10,350 --> 03:37:13,030
of very accommodating to a little more restrictive.

2546
03:37:13,610 --> 03:37:17,750
That's more or less where we ended up here with this version that's before you.

2547
03:37:17,750 --> 03:37:31,450
But the request that's on your agenda after this presentation is to potentially support a resolution that simply puts this on the ballot for this November.

2548
03:37:31,450 --> 03:37:40,470
Note, no different than a bond referendum, like we did in 2013, 2022, where you package up some

2549
03:37:40,470 --> 03:37:45,270
projects under various categories. We petitioned the circuit core clerk to put that on the ballot

2550
03:37:45,270 --> 03:37:52,490
and then it is before the voters to approve. Same measure here, you are not proving this tonight.

2551
03:37:52,590 --> 03:37:57,770
You're not being asked for this tonight or simply being asked to consider resolution to send it to

2552
03:37:57,770 --> 03:38:02,110
court to have it included as part of the ballot for this November.

2553
03:38:02,930 --> 03:38:15,630
So a couple of key details I mentioned, this little more restrictive proposal where we ended up still I think it works very well for Chesterfield and I think this conversation is happening a lot of boardrooms throughout the Commonwealth.

2554
03:38:15,870 --> 03:38:23,530
We're aware of 21, 22 other jurisdictions that are having the same conversation, some of which are a little bit ahead of us.

2555
03:38:23,530 --> 03:38:42,330
The timing on this is such that it really kind of has to be a July consideration for localities to in order to meet the deadlines to get something on a ballot, and I've said that time on sped up a little bit with the most recent, you know, some of the early voting changes.

2556
03:38:42,330 --> 03:38:50,110
so it's for for Chesterfield is your July meeting or you're really waiting until you know sometime

2557
03:38:50,110 --> 03:38:55,130
next year to put it on a traditional November ballot. So that that's why it's on your

2558
03:38:56,210 --> 03:39:03,050
agenda for consideration this evening. The specific language allows you to again to enact a

2559
03:39:04,530 --> 03:39:09,670
second 1% local option sales tax. We already had this today, so from an administrative perspective

2560
03:39:09,670 --> 03:39:14,450
And that's a big deal, the administration is a simpler task.

2561
03:39:14,530 --> 03:39:18,050
It does have a couple of carve outs that are existing one percent

2562
03:39:18,050 --> 03:39:23,190
does not, so grocery items, personal care, sort of basic hygiene items are

2563
03:39:23,190 --> 03:39:27,550
restricted from the additional one percent by stay code.

2564
03:39:27,670 --> 03:39:32,850
So that's not something that would be those sort of essential day-to-day goods

2565
03:39:32,850 --> 03:39:34,590
are not part of this proposal.

2566
03:39:35,290 --> 03:39:41,510
Any revenue that's generated as part of this has to be used for really two main purposes.

2567
03:39:42,250 --> 03:39:48,050
New school construction for a project that is, it can be in your pipeline, but it cannot be,

2568
03:39:48,050 --> 03:39:53,250
it can be designed as we understand it, but it can't be in some stage of vertical construction.

2569
03:39:53,490 --> 03:40:00,790
So they're looking to incentivize if you will things that have not yet begun, and we do have, as we'll touch on in the next slide,

2570
03:40:00,790 --> 03:40:04,070
quite a bit of a can to projects that fit that criteria.

2571
03:40:05,050 --> 03:40:06,730
It has built in sunset.

2572
03:40:07,250 --> 03:40:11,490
So it's a 20 years from the time that you get started.

2573
03:40:11,730 --> 03:40:13,690
It's a frost that would be, you know,

2574
03:40:14,150 --> 03:40:16,670
20 July of 2046 right around the corner.

2575
03:40:16,910 --> 03:40:20,070
So that's not something you have to come back and take action on.

2576
03:40:20,210 --> 03:40:21,570
It's built in there.

2577
03:40:21,870 --> 03:40:25,010
The nice thing there is 20 years does line up with a traditional bond,

2578
03:40:25,670 --> 03:40:26,730
you know, paid down period.

2579
03:40:27,870 --> 03:40:29,670
So, you know, if approved tonight,

2580
03:40:29,670 --> 03:40:34,610
if approved by the voters, and then if the subsequent resolution is approved at whatever time,

2581
03:40:35,070 --> 03:40:40,590
we could go out cell bonds, and then at the end of this period they would be fully paid off.

2582
03:40:40,630 --> 03:40:46,010
You can sell bonds at any point during the period of time, but that 20 years since that does

2583
03:40:46,010 --> 03:40:53,750
lie to fully pay that off and not have anything laying out there. So I think that summarizes

2584
03:40:53,750 --> 03:41:00,310
that slide. So what would we do with the specifics for for test field really three key pieces

2585
03:41:00,310 --> 03:41:06,770
to this? As I mentioned, new school construction has to be something that is an envision project,

2586
03:41:07,030 --> 03:41:12,870
but not again coming out of the ground. So we've got six such projects that sit currently in

2587
03:41:13,830 --> 03:41:20,850
improved school CIP. Some of these were considered or envisioned as sort of the tail end of your 22

2588
03:41:20,850 --> 03:41:27,670
referendum, as the case with the military middle school, we said every time we had a chance,

2589
03:41:27,870 --> 03:41:34,070
it was only partially funded, that's only become a little bit more complicated as some of

2590
03:41:34,070 --> 03:41:42,450
the cost of the previous construction, previous projects, has come in a little bit above what was

2591
03:41:42,450 --> 03:41:50,170
expected back in 2021, 5, 6 years ago. So, point being, it's a mix of some of those tail and

2592
03:41:50,170 --> 03:41:57,270
program projects and then four new projects that have been identified subsequently, primarily to

2593
03:41:57,270 --> 03:42:02,430
deal with some capacity issues. That makes this list of these six I'll just read them all for you.

2594
03:42:02,950 --> 03:42:08,970
So you have a reliever elementary school here in the Dale District, one around over 100 elementary,

2595
03:42:10,190 --> 03:42:15,650
the full buildout of the Matoua Committal School, partially been done now,

2596
03:42:15,650 --> 03:42:21,730
around that out, the rest of the Middle School Project, which was referenced high school gym

2597
03:42:21,730 --> 03:42:27,930
and sort of a major renovation type project for L.C. Bird, similar to what we've seen at some

2598
03:42:27,930 --> 03:42:33,170
other high schools, as well as the Thomas Dale campus improvements. I think that's probably the

2599
03:42:33,170 --> 03:42:38,890
best way to couch that. There's several school division continues to look at that the most efficient way

2600
03:42:38,890 --> 03:42:44,550
to improve sort of the flow and the housing and students on the Thomas Dale campus. There's a

2601
03:42:44,550 --> 03:42:50,270
of concepts there, but it store means of important project and be something we would include here.

2602
03:42:51,250 --> 03:42:58,130
It is our belief from modeling this out and again, we have the local estimate here somewhere between

2603
03:42:58,130 --> 03:43:04,830
65 and 70 million dollars in this particular stream. We believe that we could do the following two things,

2604
03:43:05,750 --> 03:43:12,470
or really the following three things. We could finance all six of those projects and they sit again as

2605
03:43:12,470 --> 03:43:17,150
mentioned in a school CIP and a capital plan, but they are accordioned out over any number

2606
03:43:17,150 --> 03:43:17,630
of years.

2607
03:43:17,730 --> 03:43:23,410
We could accelerate all of those into the near term, you know, for proof we could be selling

2608
03:43:23,410 --> 03:43:28,130
those bonds this time next year, similar to what we just did for the high school project.

2609
03:43:28,470 --> 03:43:32,990
And we could also, and I can't stress this enough, you know, that's six campuses, but

2610
03:43:32,990 --> 03:43:37,170
we, you know, we have over 60 campuses in the, in the, in the county.

2611
03:43:37,470 --> 03:43:41,890
So the major renovation, which is sort of that major maintenance concept, we talked about

2612
03:43:41,890 --> 03:43:46,150
consistently on both sides, county and schools. We've made really, really good

2613
03:43:46,150 --> 03:43:51,170
inroads on the county side. Schools major maintenance program is continuing to

2614
03:43:51,170 --> 03:43:56,330
catch up, making some strides, but if this were to be put in place, it would allow

2615
03:43:56,330 --> 03:44:01,430
you to put in a very meaningful major maintenance program that would make those

2616
03:44:01,430 --> 03:44:06,430
kind of major system improvements and in large scale renovation projects throughout

2617
03:44:06,430 --> 03:44:10,550
the entire district. So it's not just that these six school communities are the

2618
03:44:10,550 --> 03:44:17,930
touch, the major main space is really important for that day-to-day year-to-year upkeep

2619
03:44:17,930 --> 03:44:23,270
of all of our school facilities all the way across the county. And then lastly, there are

2620
03:44:23,270 --> 03:44:29,970
a couple of rate offsets that are included as part of this proposal. So it's a revenue diversification

2621
03:44:30,750 --> 03:44:37,790
item, but there is some give back. So if approved, it's a two-cent reduction in the real estate rate,

2622
03:44:37,790 --> 03:44:41,110
as a pair with a 10-cent reduction in the personal property rate.

2623
03:44:41,510 --> 03:44:45,650
Those are just the components that are part of what's before you tonight.

2624
03:44:46,670 --> 03:44:50,130
It doesn't preclude you from doing other things in normal course of business.

2625
03:44:50,490 --> 03:44:55,950
You've taken significant decreases in both of those rates of the last four or five years.

2626
03:44:55,950 --> 03:44:59,990
You could still do that once the revenue picture crystallizes for fit.

2627
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:12,080
This school 28 and beyond, but those two pieces are specifically tied to this. Another thing to note in that part is, you are growing tourism and sort of visitation business.

2628
03:45:12,780 --> 03:45:21,700
We believe that around 25 to 30% of this, as it is on a day to day basis, would be exported to those that travel to and through chest fill.

2629
03:45:21,920 --> 03:45:29,240
Of course, you got the 95 corridor, but again, a lot of visitation, whether it be friends or families or stores and all the things that we talked to you about.

2630
03:45:29,240 --> 03:45:33,540
That really comes back to play here and certainly helps to balance this out.

2631
03:45:33,640 --> 03:45:37,240
So this is not a, whereas real estate tax,

2632
03:45:37,420 --> 03:45:41,040
a person property, those are paid by just field taxpayers,

2633
03:45:41,440 --> 03:45:47,500
you know, solely this helps us to spread that out a little bit by shifting it over to,

2634
03:45:47,500 --> 03:45:48,740
to the sales tax category.

2635
03:45:49,780 --> 03:45:53,560
So I'll probably take any questions on those those first two slots.

2636
03:45:55,360 --> 03:45:56,320
Poor members, any questions?

2637
03:46:00,120 --> 03:46:00,740
All right, okay.

2638
03:46:00,740 --> 03:46:06,580
Yeah, I can't do, you know, prestation, not a one bar chart, it's in county code somewhere,

2639
03:46:07,020 --> 03:46:11,760
but this one is really important. I think this sets up sort of a second component of this.

2640
03:46:12,100 --> 03:46:18,960
So there are some rate offsets with the, you know, potential adoption of a 1% second 1% sales tax.

2641
03:46:19,240 --> 03:46:22,580
But this is what the existing school debt service looks like.

2642
03:46:22,600 --> 03:46:28,900
This is everything as through today with closing on the high school bonds that we have sold.

2643
03:46:28,900 --> 03:46:32,860
And this is what looks like that debt service over the next 20 years.

2644
03:46:33,020 --> 03:46:34,200
We talk about it here all the time.

2645
03:46:34,300 --> 03:46:38,960
The reasons that we have the financial standard we do, we pay off our debt very quickly,

2646
03:46:39,220 --> 03:46:39,660
very regularly.

2647
03:46:40,040 --> 03:46:46,200
So this curve, if you put the additional 1% in place and you think about transferring

2648
03:46:46,200 --> 03:46:52,140
kind of all of your debt proposals for school facilities onto that revenue source, it allows

2649
03:46:52,140 --> 03:46:58,620
this existing stream to really be paid down significantly and quickly without anything filling

2650
03:46:58,620 --> 03:47:04,800
these gaps. All this can be happened within the policy constraints that the board has approved.

2651
03:47:05,320 --> 03:47:10,980
But this does opens up a number of possibilities. One of which is you could add an additional

2652
03:47:10,980 --> 03:47:16,860
referendum somewhere in this time period because you're creating capacity on this side. It also

2653
03:47:16,860 --> 03:47:22,000
gives you the possibility to tackle other school priorities over this period of time or

2654
03:47:22,000 --> 03:47:28,600
consider additional rate offsets or some mix of those particular items. So just within

2655
03:47:28,600 --> 03:47:34,300
And then, you know, a number of years, you got almost a 12 year, a $12 million savings rather

2656
03:47:34,300 --> 03:47:36,440
in that existing debt service stream.

2657
03:47:37,000 --> 03:47:42,180
So it, and that's a little bit of a challenge in follow-up, perhaps, but it's very important

2658
03:47:42,180 --> 03:47:46,980
to kind of realize that this is freed up, I think that's really kind of the main message

2659
03:47:46,980 --> 03:47:47,620
here.

2660
03:47:47,620 --> 03:47:52,680
A lot of capacity is created in your existing budget that you could do other things with.

2661
03:47:52,800 --> 03:47:55,120
So that don't want that message to get lost.

2662
03:47:57,040 --> 03:48:02,600
Proposed timeline. Again, it's before you tonight. I can't emphasize enough. You are not

2663
03:48:02,600 --> 03:48:07,860
approving an additional sales tax or simply petition the court. It would go on to the

2664
03:48:07,860 --> 03:48:13,940
ballot for election this November. That is not even the final step. You would have to come back

2665
03:48:13,940 --> 03:48:21,440
and approve an ordinance in this program to put that in place for a potential enactment in July

2666
03:48:21,440 --> 03:48:28,780
of next year and then it has that 20 years son set that would take us out to 246 and as we

2667
03:48:28,780 --> 03:48:34,560
talked about this afternoon this is an example ballot question and we would continue to refine this

2668
03:48:34,560 --> 03:48:40,620
but this was one that was used I believe in Charlottesville or is being you know sort of proposed

2669
03:48:40,620 --> 03:48:46,020
up there pretty straightforward I just read it because I think it's it's important to do so

2670
03:48:46,020 --> 03:48:51,080
Child County, a test field Virginia be authorized to love a local general retail sales tax

2671
03:48:51,080 --> 03:48:56,740
at a rate not to exceed 1% the revenues of which shall be used solely for capital projects

2672
03:48:56,740 --> 03:49:01,560
for the construction or renovation of public schools serving the county of chest field

2673
03:49:01,560 --> 03:49:07,680
and which shall expire on you know for us in this example July 22nd, 2046.

2674
03:49:08,840 --> 03:49:15,620
So pre-clean cut pre-prescriptive and I think in full compliance with the rulebook that the

2675
03:49:15,620 --> 03:49:20,020
it has put out there. So with that I'm happy to take any questions, may I have

2676
03:49:22,260 --> 03:49:23,120
any questions?

2677
03:49:23,780 --> 03:49:23,960
Yes, sir.

2678
03:49:27,570 --> 03:49:33,190
So I know there was some questions. Some people have sent me about the definition of the

2679
03:49:34,310 --> 03:49:42,270
what it will be and will not be taxed on. So would like cards and appliances be taxed?

2680
03:49:43,350 --> 03:49:48,410
Everything that is except for food. Yeah, everything except for those sort of

2681
03:49:48,410 --> 03:49:50,150
I'll just term as everyday essential

2682
03:49:50,150 --> 03:49:51,930
the groceries, personal care items.

2683
03:49:52,410 --> 03:49:53,510
Those are the only things that

2684
03:49:53,510 --> 03:49:55,670
we had some discussion this afternoon.

2685
03:49:56,450 --> 03:49:58,970
The state has set that rule book.

2686
03:49:59,270 --> 03:50:00,830
Those are the restrictions.

2687
03:50:01,270 --> 03:50:04,650
So we are taking that and whole as opposed to us,

2688
03:50:04,730 --> 03:50:09,270
the other categories are would all be included

2689
03:50:09,890 --> 03:50:12,110
as far as we can review.

2690
03:50:12,150 --> 03:50:14,490
And I'm Mr. Mix, it's had a chance to look at that as well.

2691
03:50:14,570 --> 03:50:17,510
But those are the only exemptions that would be pulled out.

2692
03:50:18,650 --> 03:50:19,110
Okay.

2693
03:50:20,270 --> 03:50:21,630
Another question for the way.

2694
03:50:23,150 --> 03:50:23,570
Mr. Carroll.

2695
03:50:27,180 --> 03:50:34,160
In 2013, there was a bond referendum put before the voters, and that was for capital

2696
03:50:34,160 --> 03:50:38,080
improvement projects, majority schools and a meal tax.

2697
03:50:38,600 --> 03:50:41,980
The bond referendum passed, but the meal tax was voted down.

2698
03:50:42,260 --> 03:50:42,420
Correct?

2699
03:50:42,860 --> 03:50:43,220
Yes, sir.

2700
03:50:43,680 --> 03:50:46,200
And to this date, we don't have a meal tax in just for counties.

2701
03:50:46,200 --> 03:50:52,040
It's, in fact, the general assembly changed the law a few years ago that basically said

2702
03:50:52,040 --> 03:50:56,420
you don't long enough to put it out for a referendum because cities had the authority

2703
03:50:56,420 --> 03:50:59,080
to just do meal stacks period.

2704
03:51:01,980 --> 03:51:06,440
So they gave it to the counties too, essentially we have the same taxing authority now as

2705
03:51:06,440 --> 03:51:07,420
any other jurisdictions.

2706
03:51:07,760 --> 03:51:08,240
That correct?

2707
03:51:09,000 --> 03:51:09,620
Yes, sir.

2708
03:51:11,860 --> 03:51:15,480
So if this was to be put on the ballot, the voters could vote now.

2709
03:51:16,200 --> 03:51:20,600
They could come out and say, you know what, just like the science seal over there, we don't want

2710
03:51:20,600 --> 03:51:21,300
any new taxes.

2711
03:51:21,960 --> 03:51:24,400
So, there certainly could come out and vote no, or they could vote yes.

2712
03:51:26,020 --> 03:51:33,940
I think that there's an interesting history considering the last bond referendum, the voters

2713
03:51:33,940 --> 03:51:39,620
passed 75% tile in just real county to approve the projects that were being proposed.

2714
03:51:40,320 --> 03:51:46,600
I think that an important part of this, if you go back to the presentation that you did,

2715
03:51:46,640 --> 03:51:51,800
which this doesn't show, is a community really needs to understand what projects could

2716
03:51:51,800 --> 03:51:52,060
be.

2717
03:51:52,180 --> 03:51:52,960
Because I'll give you an example.

2718
03:51:53,120 --> 03:51:58,120
In my community, I get questions all the time as to why we've built new schools in the

2719
03:51:58,120 --> 03:52:02,780
Western part of the county in Matoka, in New High Schools, being built in New Middle

2720
03:52:02,780 --> 03:52:08,240
school and new elementary school, but yet we haven't rebuilt the old

2721
03:52:08,240 --> 03:52:13,220
Matoga High School, which half of it was done and half it was not. And so

2722
03:52:13,220 --> 03:52:17,420
people in that section of my district say, well, what about us? When are we going to

2723
03:52:17,420 --> 03:52:21,940
get that done? If you go back to the list, I'm sure every single board member can

2724
03:52:21,940 --> 03:52:27,080
say the same thing that we know we have overcrowding and the Dale district

2725
03:52:27,080 --> 03:52:30,240
elementary schools, and we also need a pre-case school.

2726
03:52:31,580 --> 03:52:35,280
Every one of those projects, but those projects didn't make

2727
03:52:35,280 --> 03:52:39,320
the bond referendum, because of the capacity we had available to issue

2728
03:52:39,320 --> 03:52:40,880
in the bond referendum, is that correct?

2729
03:52:41,640 --> 03:52:45,680
Again, you've got two of those that were included, but

2730
03:52:45,680 --> 03:52:49,480
you know, we had a certain amount of authorization to sell

2731
03:52:49,480 --> 03:52:53,560
under the geolabel, and we can only go out to that level.

2732
03:52:53,960 --> 03:52:56,680
We could continue to sell, but they can't be geol.

2733
03:52:57,600 --> 03:53:03,160
So this, this does allow, you know, sort of solves that, that funding riddle for those particular

2734
03:53:03,160 --> 03:53:03,520
projects.

2735
03:53:03,640 --> 03:53:10,520
And then you've got four that through your annual CIP project process, each year have been

2736
03:53:10,520 --> 03:53:14,040
identified, brought in here, discussed, and committee, all those things.

2737
03:53:14,160 --> 03:53:17,660
So this list is not something that was created just for this.

2738
03:53:17,800 --> 03:53:18,800
It's a pre-existing.

2739
03:53:18,880 --> 03:53:22,780
The only thing that's really important, and they, you know, again, they sit, you open this

2740
03:53:22,780 --> 03:53:26,920
have you documented today, they sit in there as established priorities?

2741
03:53:28,220 --> 03:53:28,960
Well, just be clear.

2742
03:53:29,180 --> 03:53:34,360
I'm on record of stating that I would not want to pass the Meals Tax in Chesterow County.

2743
03:53:35,840 --> 03:53:38,900
And we have this board hasn't passed the Meals Tax.

2744
03:53:38,960 --> 03:53:42,600
No board has passed the Meals Tax since they changed the law.

2745
03:53:43,060 --> 03:53:46,840
One discussion at one time would be that if we were going to even think about it, it would

2746
03:53:46,840 --> 03:53:51,200
be put out for a referendum for the people to choose whether or not they want to be taxed or not.

2747
03:53:51,940 --> 03:54:02,700
In my throat about a new tax, never am, but do I think the people should have the right to vote and voice their opinion about what they want and want not to do?

2748
03:54:02,720 --> 03:54:08,620
They shouldn't only get the voice opinion about everything else, and I think that I would like to hear what their vote would be on this.

2749
03:54:10,520 --> 03:54:12,260
So, that's just what I have to say.

2750
03:54:13,400 --> 03:54:14,700
Yes, sir. Thank you.

2751
03:54:15,000 --> 03:54:16,400
I see it.

2752
03:54:16,400 --> 03:54:17,320
I think we're very,

2753
03:54:19,990 --> 03:54:28,070
very, very reluctant to have a new tax and I would say that this is not a new tax.

2754
03:54:28,970 --> 03:54:33,630
This is an increase in a tax rate, which I've also been very reluctant to do.

2755
03:54:34,070 --> 03:54:40,190
It does have some offsets and it would not equal the total amount of revenue brought in,

2756
03:54:40,890 --> 03:54:43,210
but it does have some offsets in it.

2757
03:54:43,210 --> 03:54:48,650
if this was something that this board was looking at imposing on the citizens, I would say no.

2758
03:54:50,170 --> 03:54:58,230
But I am willing to say to the citizens, these are the positives that could come out of it.

2759
03:54:58,550 --> 03:55:02,670
And of course, the negatives are, you're going to pay a little bit more in taxes each year.

2760
03:55:04,590 --> 03:55:10,470
Do you want to support it or not? And I do think that allowing the citizens to make that decision,

2761
03:55:10,470 --> 03:55:14,010
and not having this board make that decision is reasonable.

2762
03:55:14,750 --> 03:55:18,030
So if the citizens vote yes, then it would happen

2763
03:55:18,030 --> 03:55:19,570
and if they voted no it wouldn't.

2764
03:55:20,010 --> 03:55:22,690
And I'm confident that I'm leaving that decision

2765
03:55:22,690 --> 03:55:25,090
to the citizens to make the decision

2766
03:55:25,090 --> 03:55:27,310
will get the right outcome from it.

2767
03:55:29,090 --> 03:55:29,750
Dr. Hill?

2768
03:55:31,390 --> 03:55:34,430
You know, I can say that for the Dell District,

2769
03:55:35,730 --> 03:55:38,590
we're working for a new Dell Elementary School

2770
03:55:38,590 --> 03:55:39,710
with a pre-K wing.

2771
03:55:40,210 --> 03:55:42,110
So three and four year olds can go to school

2772
03:55:42,110 --> 03:55:48,150
earlier increase their success rate and hopefully bring down the cost that parents are paying

2773
03:55:48,150 --> 03:55:56,570
around the county for pre-K. And so we're trying to make life more affordable but it takes money

2774
03:55:57,190 --> 03:56:05,430
and we're trying to balance that and I mean it's just one of those things that we're trying

2775
03:56:05,430 --> 03:56:11,230
to make life more affordable but we know that we're going to take on some projects in order to bring

2776
03:56:11,230 --> 03:56:18,650
down some things, uh, the cost of it. So, you know, I'm a little, I don't want to make this

2777
03:56:18,650 --> 03:56:25,970
decision by myself, and I think putting it on the ballot for citizens to vote on it and

2778
03:56:25,970 --> 03:56:33,110
tell us what they think is the most important thing to do right now. So, um, you know, that's, that's

2779
03:56:33,110 --> 03:56:38,810
what I'm thinking is to allow them to tell us what they think we should do in terms of the one

2780
03:56:38,810 --> 03:56:47,430
in sales sex, so, you know, but I feel the pressure, the burden of working class families,

2781
03:56:48,390 --> 03:56:54,890
understanding that childcare and just living in the county is really expensive, and I would

2782
03:56:54,890 --> 03:56:59,950
hate to do this without, you know, consulting them first, so I think to put it on a referendum,

2783
03:57:01,390 --> 03:57:06,310
and, you know, letting the citizens tell us what they think, yeah, your name is the right thing

2784
03:57:06,310 --> 03:57:06,970
to do.

2785
03:57:11,380 --> 03:57:16,880
I just wanted to add, I mean, mid-Lothian middle school was over a hundred years old.

2786
03:57:18,040 --> 03:57:20,520
And, Mr. Harris, I think you said it, I sort of repeated that.

2787
03:57:20,940 --> 03:57:26,940
The last referendum, it was, there was only enough money to build half a school.

2788
03:57:28,640 --> 03:57:36,860
I get phone calls, frustrations, emails from my constituents often,

2789
03:57:36,860 --> 03:57:40,620
that the school is literally falling apart.

2790
03:57:41,540 --> 03:57:43,220
So far as I'm working,

2791
03:57:45,400 --> 03:57:49,200
Millothy Middle School has a reputation for having a very distinctive smell.

2792
03:57:50,180 --> 03:57:53,880
Kids come home, they need to get out of their clothes, they need to be washed.

2793
03:57:56,120 --> 03:58:00,520
I want to facilitate the building of Millothy Middle School as quickly as possible.

2794
03:58:02,920 --> 03:58:07,220
And so a great, of course, this is a decision of the community.

2795
03:58:07,220 --> 03:58:11,020
But, although the middle school is going to get built, it's going to get built.

2796
03:58:11,280 --> 03:58:15,500
The only question is, how long is it going to take to get built because we may have to wait for another referendum?

2797
03:58:17,360 --> 03:58:22,400
So, what is the positive of the referendum that we're talking about here?

2798
03:58:23,060 --> 03:58:27,400
Is it will not be borne by only the citizens who just feel county?

2799
03:58:28,500 --> 03:58:33,020
We have a million people that come in every year from our two River City,

2800
03:58:33,020 --> 03:58:40,200
And they too will be bearing the cost, but then they're going to go back to the respective places,

2801
03:58:41,240 --> 03:58:43,500
their homes that are outside of Chesaville County.

2802
03:58:44,760 --> 03:58:53,160
I hear often that why Hermrico passive meal stacks was simply because a big percentage of who

2803
03:58:53,160 --> 03:58:55,960
is going out to dinner are those people that aren't local.

2804
03:58:56,900 --> 03:59:07,460
And so here we have an opportunity to have 30% of the 70% that's raised coming from folks

2805
03:59:07,460 --> 03:59:14,800
outside of the county and that is a unique opportunity because we know if the rent for

2806
03:59:14,800 --> 03:59:25,520
end of does not pass, then the citizens is just filled county will bear 100% of the new

2807
03:59:25,520 --> 03:59:29,020
renovation, the middle school, the middle, the middle school, the middle school,

2808
03:59:29,300 --> 03:59:33,960
L.C. Bird, high school gym, Thomas, the high school expansion. So we have an

2809
03:59:33,960 --> 03:59:39,880
opportunity and my take on it is that if I can get 30% on any investment that I

2810
03:59:39,880 --> 03:59:45,760
would make, that's not a bad investment, I would take that. So the folks of

2811
03:59:46,700 --> 03:59:50,800
just feel will have to make a decision. These things are going to happen. They're

2812
03:59:50,800 --> 03:59:54,440
going to happen, but it'll just be a matter of how long it's going to take for

2813
03:59:54,440 --> 03:59:58,860
to occur. So, the question is, is the Chesterfield good and bear the full

2814
03:59:58,860 --> 03:59:59,440
We'll go around to this.

2815
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:05,260
Or are we going to be able to pass it out to 30% of it to individuals that come in each other's

2816
04:00:05,260 --> 04:00:12,740
field county and then leave? So that's to be the choice in front of our citizens and be

2817
04:00:12,740 --> 04:00:19,740
really interested to see what the decision is coming of ever. As part of that, I think that there

2818
04:00:19,740 --> 04:00:24,440
are some right offsets that we could do. We talked about it. It's not going to bear the most,

2819
04:00:24,440 --> 04:00:32,100
they'll burn to it but boy it'll help and that is a way to kind of spread out the offset in

2820
04:00:32,100 --> 04:00:40,090
other ways. So any other discussion from the board? With that of any questions from Mr. Harris.

2821
04:00:42,680 --> 04:00:48,220
All right. So board members, there's a question here in front of us. I'd like to get a motion

2822
04:00:48,220 --> 04:00:55,530
as to whether we want to move forward with putting this 1% sales tax that the state has provided us

2823
04:00:56,330 --> 04:00:57,890
on the November of Alley.

2824
04:00:58,050 --> 04:00:59,410
Can I get a motion for that?

2825
04:01:01,710 --> 04:01:02,770
I will make that motion.

2826
04:01:03,750 --> 04:01:04,730
Can I get a second?

2827
04:01:08,470 --> 04:01:08,670
Second.

2828
04:01:09,370 --> 04:01:09,550
Okay.

2829
04:01:09,830 --> 04:01:10,910
Sounds like I got a second.

2830
04:01:11,270 --> 04:01:12,370
All in favor say aye.

2831
04:01:12,770 --> 04:01:12,930
Aye.

2832
04:01:13,350 --> 04:01:14,190
All opposed.

2833
04:01:16,130 --> 04:01:16,490
It passes.

2834
04:01:17,030 --> 04:01:17,650
Thank you.

2835
04:01:17,770 --> 04:01:18,350
Madam Clerk.

2836
04:01:20,190 --> 04:01:20,390
E.

2837
04:01:20,390 --> 04:01:21,390
Consent items.

2838
04:01:21,850 --> 04:01:23,330
Mr. Chair, there have been no requests.

2839
04:01:23,630 --> 04:01:27,990
From board members to remove items from the consent agenda for discussion by the board.

2840
04:01:29,010 --> 04:01:34,790
For members, are there any requests to remove any other item for the consent agenda for

2841
04:01:34,790 --> 04:01:36,650
a discussion with the board?

2842
04:01:38,070 --> 04:01:39,350
By the board.

2843
04:01:40,510 --> 04:01:47,030
If not, if I could get a motion to approve the consent agenda, then we can hear a second

2844
04:01:47,030 --> 04:01:47,670
all in favor.

2845
04:01:48,750 --> 04:01:49,090
All right.

2846
04:01:49,170 --> 04:01:49,650
Madam Clerk.

2847
04:01:53,520 --> 04:01:57,360
Item 16, 15 minute citizen comment period on unscheduled matters.

2848
04:01:57,360 --> 04:02:01,200
This time is designated for citizens to talk to the Board of Supervisors.

2849
04:02:01,580 --> 04:02:05,860
It is not a time for dialogue with Board members and it is not a question-incer period.

2850
04:02:06,260 --> 04:02:10,860
Those conversations can easily occur with individual Board members outside of the Board meeting.

2851
04:02:11,420 --> 04:02:18,480
As a reminder, the Board's procedure state knows citizens shall speak on any matter of business that is a subject on the Board's agenda for that day.

2852
04:02:18,980 --> 04:02:21,600
And each speaker shall have three minutes to address the Board.

2853
04:02:21,940 --> 04:02:25,700
We have five speakers that they'll please come forward and speak in this order.

2854
04:02:25,700 --> 04:02:33,120
Tyler Moody, crew McElderry, Katherine McMahon, Courtney Burnhart, and Thomas Curl,

2855
04:02:33,640 --> 04:02:35,120
for Speakers Tyler Moody.

2856
04:02:43,960 --> 04:02:45,540
Sorry, I'm a very little talker.

2857
04:02:47,540 --> 04:02:50,180
Good evening, members of the board, my name is Tyler Moody.

2858
04:02:50,260 --> 04:02:53,860
I'm a resident of the Chesterfield County, specifically Chester,

2859
04:02:54,300 --> 04:02:59,200
it's a man who has an ancestor home as a director student of Algonquin Tribes.

2860
04:03:00,280 --> 04:03:05,100
I'm not here tonight on any behalf, on behalf of any political party nor am I criticized

2861
04:03:05,100 --> 04:03:10,840
just for O'Kennie's public police department or Sheriff's Office.

2862
04:03:12,140 --> 04:03:16,180
I have a tremendous amount of work they have performed over the years and I have respected

2863
04:03:16,180 --> 04:03:18,900
and reported a lot of concerns.

2864
04:03:19,800 --> 04:03:22,080
I'm going to pat my back for that.

2865
04:03:22,160 --> 04:03:26,600
I'm an offensive security cyber professional, from over 20 years of experience and offensive

2866
04:03:26,600 --> 04:03:35,520
operations, advanced pattern recognition, secure systems engineering, counter-intelligence, risk management,

2867
04:03:35,880 --> 04:03:40,840
supporting world governments, the U.S. government health defense, and other agencies like

2868
04:03:40,840 --> 04:03:43,420
the EPA. I think it's less.

2869
04:03:46,220 --> 04:03:49,960
My career has always been dedicated to a identifying vulnerabilities

2870
04:03:49,960 --> 04:03:56,580
before hostile actors can exploit them. From a cybersecurity architecture perspective, I believe

2871
04:03:56,580 --> 04:04:01,820
significant technical and government risks that deserve greater public attention.

2872
04:04:03,760 --> 04:04:09,580
I provided or will be providing a board member with a brief technical member in them.

2873
04:04:10,640 --> 04:04:12,980
Along with that document I did not bring the QR codes.

2874
04:04:13,200 --> 04:04:16,500
I was wrapping up the work but I do have this as well.

2875
04:04:17,180 --> 04:04:22,160
There's stickers that contain an internationally recognized iCar cybersecurity test string.

2876
04:04:22,160 --> 04:04:28,180
It's completely harmless, and I use it to illustrate simple engineering principles, even while

2877
04:04:28,180 --> 04:04:33,820
understood non-malicious and puts can expose weaknesses and systems at robust, that lack,

2878
04:04:33,980 --> 04:04:36,000
robust, inflate validation.

2879
04:04:38,720 --> 04:04:42,780
A cyber security professionals evaluate these scenarios every day.

2880
04:04:43,280 --> 04:04:48,360
Multiple surveillance infrastructure should be engineered and maintained to the same standards

2881
04:04:48,360 --> 04:04:51,780
we expect from every other critical public system.

2882
04:04:51,780 --> 04:04:57,640
If extremely simple inputs, like in our garage frame, can reveal a weakness in public technology,

2883
04:04:58,480 --> 04:05:03,920
then even remotely sophisticated criminal organizations and foreign nation-state actors

2884
04:05:03,920 --> 04:05:10,960
like advanced persistent threats can easily identify exploit, identify and exploit far more significant ones.

2885
04:05:12,440 --> 04:05:16,640
This is why cybersecurity must be designed in these systems, not added after deployment.

2886
04:05:16,640 --> 04:05:23,180
But when I concern extent beyond that, this is also about privacy, constitutional governance,

2887
04:05:24,300 --> 04:05:25,960
accountability, and public trust.

2888
04:05:26,960 --> 04:05:33,740
Automated license rate readers create historical records of where people travel, while

2889
04:05:33,740 --> 04:05:39,020
a single observation on a public roadway may reveal very little, thousands of observations

2890
04:05:39,020 --> 04:05:45,200
and telemetry collected over weeks or months, or months, can reveal deeply personal information.

2891
04:05:46,360 --> 04:05:50,080
where someone worships, receives medical care,

2892
04:05:50,240 --> 04:05:53,300
attends political meetings, does it family members?

2893
04:05:53,980 --> 04:05:55,240
I'm assuming you're three minutes a row.

2894
04:05:55,580 --> 04:05:56,900
Oh, thank you, thank you.

2895
04:05:57,180 --> 04:05:58,040
Appreciate it.

2896
04:06:25,240 --> 04:06:25,900
Can I start?

2897
04:06:27,300 --> 04:06:27,480
Yes.

2898
04:06:27,700 --> 04:06:28,720
I'm a great subject.

2899
04:06:30,460 --> 04:06:30,720
I'm a great subject.

2900
04:06:33,150 --> 04:06:34,450
Hi, my name is Kuma Keldre.

2901
04:06:34,590 --> 04:06:36,970
I just finished fifth grade at Old Thunder Elementary School.

2902
04:06:37,710 --> 04:06:38,750
I have some points to address.

2903
04:06:39,310 --> 04:06:40,950
One, no, I was not forced to speak.

2904
04:06:41,110 --> 04:06:43,010
In fact, I asked to speak at this board meeting.

2905
04:06:43,010 --> 04:06:49,210
So my mom registered me too. No, I did not aid the speech. These are all these in my words my thoughts in my research

2906
04:06:49,210 --> 04:06:54,850
Great. I know I may just be 11 years old. However, I can believe I believe I can make a change

2907
04:06:54,850 --> 04:07:01,150
I've strong integrity, especially when it comes to social justice fairness environmental protection and what is deemed good music

2908
04:07:01,150 --> 04:07:07,870
Tonight I have three issues. I wanted to address of Cecil County first data centers and due to my three-minute

2909
04:07:07,870 --> 04:07:11,330
time limit that that's all I'll get into this time. So let's jump in

2910
04:07:11,870 --> 04:07:14,770
The data centers are big problems to every living organism.

2911
04:07:15,050 --> 04:07:19,230
I learned in science class as a Virginia resident, I have the responsibility to protect

2912
04:07:19,230 --> 04:07:21,630
my environment, not polluting, not to showing it.

2913
04:07:21,690 --> 04:07:25,170
Leave no trace but footprints, take nothing but pictures, kill nothing but time.

2914
04:07:25,590 --> 04:07:29,290
Although the author of this quote is anonymous, it still has this significant meaning.

2915
04:07:29,630 --> 04:07:33,650
So powerful that the US National Park Service adopted it for the leave no trace movement.

2916
04:07:33,910 --> 04:07:34,890
So why is this relevant?

2917
04:07:36,350 --> 04:07:39,330
The data center goes against everything mankind has ever stood for.

2918
04:07:39,330 --> 04:07:42,950
If this concrete joke goes up, the land that was there will never be the same.

2919
04:07:43,290 --> 04:07:47,530
The data center takes precious land, resources, and displaces wildlife.

2920
04:07:48,050 --> 04:07:50,250
The data center uses a lot of water. A lot.

2921
04:07:50,410 --> 04:07:54,010
I know they say they will utilize closed loop systems, but that's not happening.

2922
04:07:54,410 --> 04:08:00,830
Did you know that a Google facility in Bautata County is permitted to use two millions

2923
04:08:00,830 --> 04:08:04,950
gallons of water each day? That doesn't sound like water conservation to me.

2924
04:08:04,950 --> 04:08:10,010
2 million gallons. That's enough for 6,667 households every day.

2925
04:08:10,150 --> 04:08:13,650
A net-to-fill 50,000 bathtubs, a net-to-fill 16 million

2926
04:08:13,650 --> 04:08:16,970
Stanley's water bottles. Board of Supervisors, how is this okay?

2927
04:08:18,510 --> 04:08:22,610
Our land project sky would span more than 880 acres.

2928
04:08:23,010 --> 04:08:24,750
Guys, that's largely the Bush Gardens in Kingston,

2929
04:08:24,810 --> 04:08:30,550
Indian combined. Lock, locking sky land has water runoff that drains into deep

2930
04:08:30,550 --> 04:08:34,010
creek and swift creek reservoir, which is our water supply.

2931
04:08:34,010 --> 04:08:43,710
Did you know that Google is asking you to destroy 18 acres of protective wetlands and 8,115 feet of Virginia streams all for the data centers?

2932
04:08:43,870 --> 04:08:45,350
Google does not care about test-to-field.

2933
04:08:45,650 --> 04:08:46,830
We were just an easy target.

2934
04:08:47,090 --> 04:08:50,950
Board of Supervisors, I again respectfully ask you, how is this okay?

2935
04:08:52,250 --> 04:08:54,370
I also heard electric bills will go up.

2936
04:08:54,530 --> 04:08:55,630
And she just might be with that.

2937
04:08:55,710 --> 04:08:57,010
We wanted a swimming pool.

2938
04:08:57,210 --> 04:08:59,090
But our parents said it would cost much to see.

2939
04:08:59,470 --> 04:09:01,910
And that for kids is expensive.

2940
04:09:01,910 --> 04:09:07,950
But now we find out that data centers are going to cause our electric bill to go up anyways, which no one approved or voted on.

2941
04:09:08,290 --> 04:09:14,330
And now my parents will be forced to spend their money on increased bills and in this whole deal we won't even get our swimming pool.

2942
04:09:14,750 --> 04:09:18,310
In all seriousness though, for the supervisors, how is this okay?

2943
04:09:18,730 --> 04:09:21,290
Approving, approving increasing utility bills on your people.

2944
04:09:21,350 --> 04:09:23,530
Chesterfield residents did not ask for this.

2945
04:09:23,650 --> 04:09:27,470
Many came afford this ask yourself, how is this legal honest or fair?

2946
04:09:28,270 --> 04:09:29,630
Let's talk about the noise.

2947
04:09:29,630 --> 04:09:32,670
The noise of these things are undeniable and unforgivable.

2948
04:09:33,270 --> 04:09:35,030
Listen to this recording.

2949
04:09:35,610 --> 04:09:36,450
Mr McGill, I'm sorry.

2950
04:09:37,210 --> 04:09:37,490
I'm sorry.

2951
04:09:37,850 --> 04:09:37,930
I'm sorry.

2952
04:09:38,230 --> 04:09:38,270
I'm sorry.

2953
04:09:38,750 --> 04:09:39,230
I'm sorry.

2954
04:09:53,720 --> 04:09:54,320
I'm sorry.

2955
04:09:55,380 --> 04:09:55,860
Okay.

2956
04:09:57,540 --> 04:10:00,220
That noise is 24 hours today, seven days a week.

2957
04:10:00,560 --> 04:10:02,680
This recording is from Data Center's right here in Virginia.

2958
04:10:03,120 --> 04:10:04,000
This noise is destructive.

2959
04:10:04,260 --> 04:10:06,060
The humans farm animals crops and wildlife.

2960
04:10:06,500 --> 04:10:09,800
That point brings me right back to the lessons I learned in fifth grade science class.

2961
04:10:10,020 --> 04:10:11,120
We've no trace.

2962
04:10:11,860 --> 04:10:14,060
NDA, data centers, let's talk about NDA.

2963
04:10:14,320 --> 04:10:15,060
What does that even mean?

2964
04:10:15,140 --> 04:10:16,620
My mom had to explain this part to me.

2965
04:10:16,680 --> 04:10:18,180
It means non-disclosure agreements.

2966
04:10:18,940 --> 04:10:20,460
I'm going back even further in my life.

2967
04:10:20,520 --> 04:10:21,820
Back to when I was just a boy.

2968
04:10:22,300 --> 04:10:24,300
I was talking to be honest, and if I was honest,

2969
04:10:24,680 --> 04:10:25,840
then I could be proud of who I am.

2970
04:10:26,220 --> 04:10:28,880
I see me in some moral virtue of speaking and acting

2971
04:10:28,880 --> 04:10:32,600
seriously characterized by refusal to lie, to see, or steal.

2972
04:10:32,940 --> 04:10:34,680
This goes beyond just telling the truth.

2973
04:10:34,840 --> 04:10:35,660
It's having integrity.

2974
04:10:37,100 --> 04:10:40,480
It is making sure what you say, what you do, and what you value,

2975
04:10:40,480 --> 04:10:45,560
are all in line. Data centers and big tech companies are sweeping every ounce of honesty in the

2976
04:10:45,560 --> 04:10:50,220
integrity from our community. And from our board of supervisors, if I can see that I just 11,

2977
04:10:50,400 --> 04:10:54,220
why can't you? I'm opposed to data center sky and lock. I'm opposed to our beautiful

2978
04:10:54,220 --> 04:10:59,660
state of Virginia being overwhelmed by any more AI development anywhere. This time, the time is

2979
04:10:59,660 --> 04:11:04,720
now to say no to data centers. Board of Supervisors, my name is Kremlin. I urge you to stand up and

2980
04:11:04,720 --> 04:11:08,060
I know, listen to your people, and leave no trace.

2981
04:11:25,310 --> 04:11:25,730
All right.

2982
04:11:26,410 --> 04:11:27,450
Thank you, girl.

2983
04:11:28,970 --> 04:11:30,650
Don't forget to stool.

2984
04:11:33,090 --> 04:11:33,930
Hi, job.

2985
04:11:47,010 --> 04:11:48,050
Thank you.

2986
04:11:50,310 --> 04:11:51,090
Katherine McMahon.

2987
04:11:59,800 --> 04:12:02,600
I'm incredibly nervous to be following that.

2988
04:12:03,900 --> 04:12:07,880
Before I start, Ms. Wilson, we had spoke about the fact that I was going to deliver

2989
04:12:07,880 --> 04:12:11,740
some documents to the board, so I do have those if there's an officer or someone who'd be

2990
04:12:11,740 --> 04:12:14,920
willing to hand them to the board.

2991
04:12:15,800 --> 04:12:17,040
Yeah, absolutely.

2992
04:12:17,300 --> 04:12:19,740
I do have one for you as well, Mr. Harris.

2993
04:12:20,440 --> 04:12:22,020
Okay, but I'm happy to speak while that happens.

2994
04:12:22,180 --> 04:12:23,680
I'll put them right up here.

2995
04:12:25,270 --> 04:12:25,730
Good evening.

2996
04:12:26,130 --> 04:12:26,610
Supervisors.

2997
04:12:26,850 --> 04:12:28,210
My name is Catherine McMahon.

2998
04:12:28,490 --> 04:12:33,530
I'm a lifelong Midlothian resident who will be within four miles of eight of the

2999
04:12:33,530 --> 04:12:35,570
data centers being built in Chesterfield.

3000
04:12:36,450 --> 04:12:40,270
I was last up here two months ago when I announced that the

3001
04:12:40,270 --> 04:12:46,190
data center defiance community coalition had launched a petition calling for transparency and accountability

3002
04:12:46,870 --> 04:12:53,510
on the more than 20 individual data centers approved or proposed in our county. I'm here to

3003
04:12:53,510 --> 04:12:59,470
formally deliver that petition to you today. In the two months that followed, the petition has been

3004
04:12:59,470 --> 04:13:04,010
signed by more than 2,500 test-to-field residents and our neighbors in the greater Richmond area

3005
04:13:04,010 --> 04:13:14,610
And a company, thank you, and a company by over 750 emails to the county demanding an end to future approvals on any data center developments in test or field.

3006
04:13:15,350 --> 04:13:17,690
Your constituents have made their stance clear.

3007
04:13:18,450 --> 04:13:23,430
What's missing is meaningful action on the county's behalf.

3008
04:13:24,070 --> 04:13:28,430
And I'll just generally say, I saw the website, a website is not enough.

3009
04:13:28,970 --> 04:13:31,990
Last week's Google Open House events are not enough.

3010
04:13:32,690 --> 04:13:37,630
Let me tell you a few things that we've heard from residents about last week's events.

3011
04:13:38,090 --> 04:13:44,910
We had about 60 families who were generous enough to sit with us afterwards and share their experience at Google's open houses.

3012
04:13:45,510 --> 04:13:50,390
Out of 60 families, two of them said they felt like their questions were answered.

3013
04:13:51,290 --> 04:13:56,790
More than 40 families said they were actively considering leaving Chester Field because of data centers.

3014
04:13:58,310 --> 04:14:03,670
Many residents came to us and asked us why these events weren't formatted as a town hall,

3015
04:14:03,990 --> 04:14:09,350
and so we brought that question into the Google Open House events, and we were told by a rep

3016
04:14:09,350 --> 04:14:13,490
that they chose not to do a town hall because they can get too emotional.

3017
04:14:16,160 --> 04:14:17,460
Imagine being emotional

3018
04:14:17,460 --> 04:14:22,500
about what's being built in your backyard. Imagine being emotional about what's being done to your

3019
04:14:22,500 --> 04:14:27,600
water and to your air. Imagine being emotional about what's happening to your home.

3020
04:14:28,900 --> 04:14:33,200
The community demands a true public hearing on the Google data centers.

3021
04:14:33,660 --> 04:14:36,600
And I want to be really clear that a Board of Supervisors meeting,

3022
04:14:36,780 --> 04:14:39,860
where Google gives a presentation and then you guys handpicked,

3023
04:14:40,160 --> 04:14:43,460
pre-submitted questions will not be enough either.

3024
04:14:49,160 --> 04:14:54,600
We demand an interactive public hearing that includes facilitated conversations

3025
04:14:54,600 --> 04:15:00,000
between the community and Google, the Board of Supervisors and the Chesterfield Economic Development.

3026
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:05,540
Authority, where there is plenty of time for citizens to ask questions and collectively receive

3027
04:15:05,540 --> 04:15:13,860
real answers in the room as a group. Supervisor Miller, Supervisor Schneider, you both have said

3028
04:15:13,860 --> 04:15:19,360
in multiple settings as recently as last week, the county is considering a moratorium on data

3029
04:15:19,360 --> 04:15:26,140
centers. Words are not enough. The community wants an end to any further data center development

3030
04:15:26,140 --> 04:15:29,660
in-test their field that is incorporated into county code.

3031
04:15:29,740 --> 04:15:31,560
Ms. McMan, you three minutes, Rho.

3032
04:15:31,660 --> 04:15:32,920
Thank you. I have one more sentence.

3033
04:15:33,340 --> 04:15:36,920
There is no more room to claim that you have not heard from residents.

3034
04:15:37,420 --> 04:15:38,940
Your constituents are here.

3035
04:15:39,340 --> 04:15:40,780
They are telling you what they want.

3036
04:15:41,480 --> 04:15:45,000
And now it's time for you to fulfill your responsibility as representatives of our community.

3037
04:15:45,840 --> 04:15:46,300
Thank you.

3038
04:16:04,680 --> 04:16:05,040
Good evening.

3039
04:16:06,000 --> 04:16:08,420
My name is Courtney Bernhardt. I'm in the Losey and resident.

3040
04:16:08,560 --> 04:16:10,460
And I'm here tonight with Davis Center Defiance.

3041
04:16:10,880 --> 04:16:12,920
I don't have a rallying speech.

3042
04:16:12,920 --> 04:16:18,180
But I want to talk about air quality and air pollution from data centers and what I think

3043
04:16:18,180 --> 04:16:24,780
respectively that you can still do to ensure that your residents are not exposed to unnecessary

3044
04:16:24,780 --> 04:16:25,560
air pollution.

3045
04:16:27,220 --> 04:16:31,480
So, Google's proposed data centers, like most of Virginia, are applying for minor source

3046
04:16:31,480 --> 04:16:32,180
air permits.

3047
04:16:33,180 --> 04:16:37,920
DQ keeps those out of public review and comment unless they can be convinced that there's

3048
04:16:37,920 --> 04:16:39,240
significant public interest.

3049
04:16:39,240 --> 04:16:41,980
I think there's significant public interest.

3050
04:16:43,640 --> 04:16:46,180
So, minor is a misnomer.

3051
04:16:47,080 --> 04:16:49,200
Google sites will be synthetic minors.

3052
04:16:49,880 --> 04:16:53,140
And those are major sources that have accepted a handicap,

3053
04:16:54,040 --> 04:16:57,340
essentially taking or agreeing to install pollution controls

3054
04:16:57,340 --> 04:17:02,320
or taking operational limits in order to have weaker permits

3055
04:17:02,320 --> 04:17:03,860
with no public participation.

3056
04:17:05,440 --> 04:17:08,380
Major sources, that sounds like heavy industrial to me.

3057
04:17:09,500 --> 04:17:14,020
So, I've worked with her decade at a national nonprofit that advocates for effective enforcement

3058
04:17:14,020 --> 04:17:15,280
of environmental laws.

3059
04:17:16,420 --> 04:17:21,660
So, I went and I pulled the violation notices that the Q has issued data centers across

3060
04:17:21,660 --> 04:17:29,520
the state, including one for Google, and I wanted to see what we could learn and how well

3061
04:17:29,520 --> 04:17:31,880
data centers complied with their permits.

3062
04:17:32,640 --> 04:17:33,320
Here's what I found.

3063
04:17:33,320 --> 04:17:39,000
So 12 data centers, campuses, began construction or installed generators without a permit.

3064
04:17:39,900 --> 04:17:44,840
14 failed their first tech tests, including Google, and that test covers just a handful

3065
04:17:44,840 --> 04:17:46,020
of generators on site.

3066
04:17:47,140 --> 04:17:52,680
9 ran generators outside of emergency situations, a burn too much fuel, 6 succeeded hourly

3067
04:17:52,680 --> 04:17:58,580
or annual mission limits, and 17 more than half failed their notification reporting or

3068
04:17:58,580 --> 04:18:03,340
are keeping obligations. And that's the paperwork that proves compliance in the first place.

3069
04:18:04,320 --> 04:18:10,720
So DQs oversight, respectfully, is very light. It means heavily on what the industry reports

3070
04:18:10,720 --> 04:18:14,700
about itself and an inspects minor in synthetic minor sources, very infrequently.

3071
04:18:16,100 --> 04:18:20,840
And you may be wondering how Google came back into compliance. They asked DQ to increase their

3072
04:18:22,840 --> 04:18:31,360
So, meanwhile, our electric grid is under strain and data centers, and we need to run back up around site generators more frequently in the future.

3073
04:18:31,600 --> 04:18:37,520
I wouldn't put that out of mind. This is why public input into permitting really matters.

3074
04:18:38,140 --> 04:18:44,880
Despite company statements, compliance isn't guaranteed, and permit conditions may not protect those living downwind,

3075
04:18:44,880 --> 04:18:48,080
especially during short-term high-intensity emission events

3076
04:18:48,080 --> 04:18:49,600
when they go un-inforced.

3077
04:18:51,080 --> 04:18:54,100
This county, I think it's the administrator,

3078
04:18:54,480 --> 04:18:56,400
must certify whether a site is suitable

3079
04:18:56,400 --> 04:18:59,380
for a new source of industrial air pollution.

3080
04:18:59,960 --> 04:19:02,540
Many of us do not believe lock-ins guy qualify.

3081
04:19:03,800 --> 04:19:05,520
They sit next to schools and homes

3082
04:19:05,520 --> 04:19:06,900
and calling them an employment center,

3083
04:19:07,080 --> 04:19:08,360
white watches what these are.

3084
04:19:08,420 --> 04:19:10,820
They're massive, energy-hungry industrial facilities

3085
04:19:10,820 --> 04:19:13,280
that have a potential to emit a lot of air pollution.

3086
04:19:13,280 --> 04:19:19,480
Ms. Furnhard, you're three minutes or so. Okay, thank you. I have a little, yeah. So I ask that you don't

3087
04:19:19,480 --> 04:19:25,200
rubber stamp the remaining site certifications that you have the opportunity to reveal. I ask

3088
04:19:25,200 --> 04:19:30,100
at a minimum that you insist that the Google data centers and any other under consideration

3089
04:19:30,100 --> 04:19:35,920
in the permitting process meet the tier four generator standards before you certify. And I know for

3090
04:19:35,920 --> 04:19:43,260
fact, peanut will not meet those standards. Part of sky will not meet those standards based on the

3091
04:19:43,260 --> 04:19:45,720
ask these companies to model their air pollution.

3092
04:19:46,020 --> 04:19:48,560
They're not required to do that as minor sources

3093
04:19:48,560 --> 04:19:52,800
with intermittent claiming for intermittent operation.

3094
04:19:53,260 --> 04:19:54,200
But they can do it.

3095
04:19:54,460 --> 04:19:54,880
It's possible.

3096
04:19:56,120 --> 04:19:59,620
And please do what you can to get D2 to a public participation

3097
04:19:59,620 --> 04:20:01,860
in minor source air permitting processes.

3098
04:20:02,480 --> 04:20:03,500
So thank you.

3099
04:20:18,140 --> 04:20:20,240
The little man stole the show.

3100
04:20:20,680 --> 04:20:23,120
I don't know how to do better than that.

3101
04:20:23,420 --> 04:20:24,820
Good evening, Board of Supervisors.

3102
04:20:24,980 --> 04:20:26,000
My name is Thomas Curl.

3103
04:20:26,000 --> 04:20:28,080
I'm speaking on behalf of Chesterfield Citizens

3104
04:20:28,080 --> 04:20:29,320
for Responsible Government.

3105
04:20:30,540 --> 04:20:33,540
I'm going to talk about the email that I sent you last week

3106
04:20:33,540 --> 04:20:36,300
after the Google meeting at Bright Point College.

3107
04:20:37,080 --> 04:20:38,560
What happened at last night's Google meeting

3108
04:20:38,560 --> 04:20:39,840
at Bright Point Community College

3109
04:20:39,840 --> 04:20:41,760
was disgraceful and deeply disturbing.

3110
04:20:42,560 --> 04:20:44,880
Chesterfield Citizens came peacefully to ask questions

3111
04:20:44,880 --> 04:20:47,020
about a project that could affect their home,

3112
04:20:47,100 --> 04:20:49,960
schools, taxes, environment, and quality of life.

3113
04:20:50,540 --> 04:20:52,380
Instead, they were met with excessive police

3114
04:20:52,380 --> 04:20:55,300
and security presence that made ordinary citizens

3115
04:20:55,300 --> 04:20:59,580
feel as though they were entering a high security operation rather than a public meeting.

3116
04:21:00,620 --> 04:21:04,900
Even more alarming, I personally observed multiple planes close men inside the meeting,

3117
04:21:05,440 --> 04:21:07,540
rooms carrying concealed-block handguns.

3118
04:21:08,260 --> 04:21:12,220
When I approached them and asked who they worked for, who hired them,

3119
04:21:12,260 --> 04:21:15,280
who authorized them to carry weapons inside a public college building,

3120
04:21:15,680 --> 04:21:17,020
they refused to answer.

3121
04:21:17,700 --> 04:21:20,740
Now, I, as a law-abiding concealed gun handgun,

3122
04:21:20,740 --> 04:21:27,000
Permit holder. I'm permitted from carrying my clock in that same building. Yet these unidentified

3123
04:21:27,000 --> 04:21:31,980
arm to men were apparently permitted to circulate among residents without identification,

3124
04:21:32,840 --> 04:21:37,600
explanation or visible accountability. When I raised this obvious double standard, my concerns

3125
04:21:37,600 --> 04:21:43,180
were just dismissed. Chesterfield Board of Supervisors and Interim County Administrator, Matt.

3126
04:21:44,740 --> 04:21:49,200
Who were these armed individuals? Were they law enforcement officers, private security contractors,

3127
04:21:49,200 --> 04:21:57,180
Google personnel, county agents or FBI or ICE agents, who hired them, who authorized them to carry concealed firearms inside the meeting rooms.

3128
04:21:57,720 --> 04:22:01,100
What specific threat justified this extraordinary response?

3129
04:22:01,700 --> 04:22:04,260
How many officers and security personnel were deployed?

3130
04:22:04,940 --> 04:22:09,700
Decide of unidentified armament monitoring and filming, and let me clear,

3131
04:22:10,300 --> 04:22:15,000
filming, and identify all three of them, as citizens at a public community meeting,

3132
04:22:15,500 --> 04:22:17,500
is something the public should find revolting.

3133
04:22:17,500 --> 04:22:19,740
This was not transparency.

3134
04:22:20,060 --> 04:22:25,560
It was secrecy, intimidation, and a shameful treatment of the very citizens are elected

3135
04:22:25,560 --> 04:22:25,960
officials.

3136
04:22:26,520 --> 04:22:31,500
You are supposed to represent, residents should never be made to feel threatened, merely

3137
04:22:31,500 --> 04:22:34,260
for attending a public meeting and questioning their government.

3138
04:22:34,880 --> 04:22:38,700
The Chesterfield Board of Supervisors and Matt Harris, O'The Publicer Complete and Immediate

3139
04:22:38,700 --> 04:22:39,620
Explonation.

3140
04:22:39,820 --> 04:22:40,500
Please respond.

3141
04:22:41,720 --> 04:22:43,560
I have not received a formal response.

3142
04:22:44,120 --> 04:22:53,300
I've asked several of you how you can justify videotaping innocent citizens, board of supervisors, we're not China.

3143
04:22:54,000 --> 04:22:56,760
Well, this is Chesterfield County, Virginia, as you remind us often.

3144
04:22:57,560 --> 04:23:00,240
So the question I have is how many undercover officers are here tonight.

3145
04:23:01,160 --> 04:23:03,080
For the record, I think I've identified one.

3146
04:23:04,460 --> 04:23:09,700
So members of the board, the bright point meeting should really prompt serious introspection.

3147
04:23:11,200 --> 04:23:14,200
Citizens came seeking transparency and honest answers.

3148
04:23:15,260 --> 04:23:18,220
This just trusted did not disappear or did not appear overnight.

3149
04:23:18,520 --> 04:23:19,780
It grew from closed door decisions.

3150
04:23:20,460 --> 04:23:25,860
In the A's, limited public notice, meeting formats that restrict genuine public dialogue.

3151
04:23:26,360 --> 04:23:27,820
It's the curly your three minutes, Rob.

3152
04:23:28,600 --> 04:23:29,660
I'm almost finished.

3153
04:23:29,800 --> 04:23:30,380
Thank you.

3154
04:23:30,460 --> 04:23:35,660
Susan, the board must stop blaming the citizen frustration on misinformation or politics.

3155
04:23:36,680 --> 04:23:38,440
And you need to ask the harder question.

3156
04:23:38,440 --> 04:23:42,680
What has this board done to damage public trust?

3157
04:23:42,960 --> 04:23:43,860
Let me repeat that.

3158
04:23:44,200 --> 04:23:46,680
What has this board, all five of you've done,

3159
04:23:47,860 --> 04:23:49,080
to damage the public trust?

3160
04:23:49,480 --> 04:23:51,720
You need to look yourself in the mirror gentlemen and ladies.

3161
04:23:52,640 --> 04:23:55,560
Trust will not be restored through descriptive events,

3162
04:23:55,840 --> 04:23:57,540
heavy security or controlled messaging.

3163
04:23:57,760 --> 04:24:02,400
It requires humility, accountability, openness, as we've talked about Jessica,

3164
04:24:03,020 --> 04:24:05,120
and meaningful citizen involvement.

3165
04:24:05,120 --> 04:24:14,020
The citizens are not the problem board, the breakdown of trust is the problem, and repairing it is your responsibility.

3166
04:24:16,490 --> 04:24:17,630
Thank you for your time.

3167
04:24:30,970 --> 04:24:31,290
Madam Clerk.

3168
04:24:31,970 --> 04:24:35,190
Item 17 deferred items from previous meetings we have.

3169
04:24:35,770 --> 04:24:46,750
Item 18 zoning requests. Mr. Chair, you have four zoning requests on your consent agenda for this evening for the benefit of the public consent items are those cases where the applicant accepts

3170
04:24:46,750 --> 04:24:50,110
staff's recommendation, and there is no previous opposition.

3171
04:24:50,630 --> 04:24:55,150
With all the consent cases tonight, staff has received written confirmation from the applicants

3172
04:24:55,150 --> 04:24:59,330
that they agree with the conditions being imposed, and that all properties are offered

3173
04:24:59,330 --> 04:25:00,790
in compliance with state law.

3174
04:25:01,390 --> 04:25:06,410
First is 26 SN2032 in Metallica Magistarial District.

3175
04:25:06,570 --> 04:25:12,810
Duval East's lot coverage modification is a request for a zoning deviation to modify an existing

3176
04:25:12,810 --> 04:25:20,830
development, case 22SN0035, relative to organizational requirements, and I semi-urban neighborhood

3177
04:25:20,830 --> 04:25:29,810
SU District on 100.1 acres, fronting approximately 2,025 feet on the south side of Duval Road,

3178
04:25:30,150 --> 04:25:37,310
on property known as 1-8-001 Duval Road. The applicant is requesting a modification to a

3179
04:25:37,310 --> 04:25:41,930
previously approved zoning case that included a conditional use plan development for exceptions

3180
04:25:41,930 --> 04:25:47,290
to ordinance requirements after the initial zoning approval the applicant determined that the

3181
04:25:47,290 --> 04:25:53,070
proposed residential product types could not meet the 30% lot coverage limitation provided

3182
04:25:53,070 --> 04:25:59,230
in the residential R12 district. Therefore the applicant is proposing to increase the slot coverage

3183
04:25:59,230 --> 04:26:05,490
limitation to 50% to allow for larger dwellings on lots within this proposed subdivision.

3184
04:26:05,770 --> 04:26:10,130
Planning Commission and staff recommend approval subject to the conditions in your staff report.

3185
04:26:10,790 --> 04:26:11,930
Thank you, Madam Clerk.

3186
04:26:12,410 --> 04:26:16,670
Everyone, this is a public hearing on case two success in 2032,

3187
04:26:16,830 --> 04:26:18,970
devalued east a lot coverage of modification.

3188
04:26:19,630 --> 04:26:24,610
Does anyone like to speak to this case of so, please come forward and state your name.

3189
04:26:30,950 --> 04:26:32,930
Seeing no one, I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing.

3190
04:26:33,070 --> 04:26:34,170
It's back before the board.

3191
04:26:34,510 --> 04:26:37,370
This case is in the bentoica district, Mr. Carroll.

3192
04:26:42,780 --> 04:26:49,380
Mr. Chair, what this case does is allows for a little bit bigger footprint of a house to be built,

3193
04:26:49,380 --> 04:26:53,260
which would be consistent with the other houses that are built in the area.

3194
04:26:53,820 --> 04:26:56,760
The original case came through in 2022.

3195
04:26:57,800 --> 04:27:01,040
It would have been several of the cases that have been approved in that area since then,

3196
04:27:01,200 --> 04:27:04,660
and this would just make it for a little bit bigger house to be able to put on a lot

3197
04:27:04,660 --> 04:27:05,880
than what is currently allowed.

3198
04:27:07,780 --> 04:27:10,960
I don't think we had anybody come out and speak against the case

3199
04:27:10,960 --> 04:27:13,120
at the community meetings or at the planning commission.

3200
04:27:13,480 --> 04:27:15,880
I haven't received any emails in our position.

3201
04:27:15,880 --> 04:27:23,120
I make a motion to approve case number 26, SN203 to subject to the conditions in the staff

3202
04:27:23,120 --> 04:27:23,620
report.

3203
04:27:23,940 --> 04:27:24,440
Thank you, Sekeral.

3204
04:27:24,480 --> 04:27:25,420
Can I have a second?

3205
04:27:26,300 --> 04:27:26,560
Second.

3206
04:27:27,060 --> 04:27:27,280
All right.

3207
04:27:27,480 --> 04:27:28,020
Any discussion?

3208
04:27:29,660 --> 04:27:30,520
All of your say aye.

3209
04:27:30,900 --> 04:27:31,040
Aye.

3210
04:27:31,280 --> 04:27:32,160
You want to post.

3211
04:27:32,920 --> 04:27:33,320
Madam Clerk.

3212
04:27:33,780 --> 04:27:38,460
Next is 26, SN2062 in the mid-Lothian Majestyial District.

3213
04:27:38,920 --> 04:27:43,220
Rathbund Family Daycare Home is a request for conditional use to permit a family daycare

3214
04:27:43,220 --> 04:27:51,360
and a suburban community SC District on 0.54 acre, known as 2400 Devon Wood Road.

3215
04:27:51,700 --> 04:27:56,240
The applicant is proposing the care about the eight children from the home, planning commission

3216
04:27:56,240 --> 04:27:59,760
and staff recommend approval, subject to the conditions in your staff report.

3217
04:28:01,380 --> 04:28:02,040
Thank you, Madam Clerk.

3218
04:28:02,300 --> 04:28:10,180
Everyone, this is a public hearing on case 26SN 2062, Rathburn, Family Day Care Home.

3219
04:28:10,180 --> 04:28:14,440
Is there anyone who would like to speak to this case of so please come forward and state your name?

3220
04:28:25,240 --> 04:28:26,460
Please, in Jared honor.

3221
04:28:27,320 --> 04:28:28,960
I brought this up with planning.

3222
04:28:30,260 --> 04:28:33,820
This is an ideal location for daycare center.

3223
04:28:35,000 --> 04:28:36,760
They have a fixed end by yard.

3224
04:28:38,180 --> 04:28:43,560
Somewhere along the line, you guys need to put in your code or whatever you call it.

3225
04:28:43,980 --> 04:28:46,860
If you want a daycare center, you have to have a fixed end yard.

3226
04:28:46,860 --> 04:28:52,360
If you don't have that, you can have a daycare center, but you need to move to another location.

3227
04:28:53,660 --> 04:28:55,080
These kids are going to be outside.

3228
04:28:55,440 --> 04:28:57,220
They need to have a place to play outside.

3229
04:28:58,060 --> 04:29:00,300
And you can't just let them turn them loose.

3230
04:29:01,600 --> 04:29:04,680
So, this is what you need to have.

3231
04:29:05,340 --> 04:29:09,260
And somehow you guys need to use your authority

3232
04:29:09,820 --> 04:29:11,660
and make it part of the requirement.

3233
04:29:12,360 --> 04:29:15,540
Because you'll go good and well if they, you code people when in there

3234
04:29:15,540 --> 04:29:24,920
that they don't want to have one door, y'all want to let them open that place up, so make that part of the requirement, they have to have a fifth in your art, thank you.

3235
04:29:25,160 --> 04:29:26,720
Thank you, Mr. Turner.

3236
04:29:27,120 --> 04:29:29,020
Anyone else would like to speak to this case?

3237
04:29:32,580 --> 04:29:34,560
Seeing no one, I'm going to go ahead and close this public hearing.

3238
04:29:34,680 --> 04:29:35,760
It's back before the board.

3239
04:29:36,080 --> 04:29:37,740
This case is in the middle of the industry.

3240
04:29:39,180 --> 04:29:43,240
I agree with you, Mr. Turner, that I think the state has been open for some time.

3241
04:29:43,240 --> 04:29:52,000
is my understanding and they just want to increase the number of individuals that they're able to take care of.

3242
04:29:52,740 --> 04:29:59,940
So I feel comfortable to go ahead and move in approval of case two success and two zero six two subject to the condition.

3243
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:02,260
In the staff report, could I please have a second?

3244
04:30:02,460 --> 04:30:09,060
Second. Any discussion? All of favor? Anyone opposed? Madam Clerk.

3245
04:30:10,860 --> 04:30:19,000
Next is 26SN-2109 in Bermuda Magisterial District Skiper's Law and Service Incorporated Renewal

3246
04:30:19,000 --> 04:30:23,880
is the request for conditional use to permit a home occupation, landscaping contractor

3247
04:30:23,880 --> 04:30:32,460
without side storage in a suburban community SC district on 0.47 acre known as 10816.

3248
04:30:33,800 --> 04:30:42,440
This request represents a renewal of prior zoning approval case 16SN-0683 to continue

3249
04:30:42,440 --> 04:30:46,940
the operation of a landscaping and law and service business from the applicant's residents.

3250
04:30:47,560 --> 04:30:51,820
Planning Commission and staff recommend approval subject to the conditions in your staff report.

3251
04:30:51,820 --> 04:30:58,420
Thank you, Madam Kirk. Everyone, this is a public hearing on case two success in two one zero nine

3252
04:30:58,420 --> 04:31:02,860
Skipper's law in service in corporate renewal. Is there anyone who would like to speak to this case?

3253
04:31:03,100 --> 04:31:05,440
If so, please come forward in the state your name.

3254
04:31:08,550 --> 04:31:10,650
Seeing no one, I'm going to go ahead and close this public hearing.

3255
04:31:10,790 --> 04:31:18,100
It's back before the board. This case is in the Bermuda district. Mr. and this is an existing business.

3256
04:31:18,400 --> 04:31:25,280
They've had no violations. They've had no complaints and their neighbors are still okay with them.

3257
04:31:25,280 --> 04:31:29,740
So they must be doing a great job working with the people that surround them.

3258
04:31:29,920 --> 04:31:36,480
So with that, I'm going to make the motion to approve case 26S and 2109 subject to the conditions

3259
04:31:36,480 --> 04:31:37,600
in the staff report.

3260
04:31:37,940 --> 04:31:38,300
Second.

3261
04:31:39,320 --> 04:31:39,860
Any discussion?

3262
04:31:41,520 --> 04:31:42,440
All in favor say aye?

3263
04:31:42,960 --> 04:31:43,840
Anyone opposed?

3264
04:31:44,620 --> 04:31:45,240
Madam Clerk.

3265
04:31:45,580 --> 04:31:52,680
Last on your consent agenda is 26SN2129 in Dale Magisterial District, Jennings Family Daycare

3266
04:31:52,680 --> 04:31:59,620
is a request for conditional use to permit a family daycare home, child, and a semi-urban

3267
04:31:59,620 --> 04:32:06,540
neighborhood issue district on 0.25 acre known as 6 9 1 1 able road. The applicant

3268
04:32:06,540 --> 04:32:11,960
proposes to allow for the care of up to 12 children from the home. The applicant has been

3269
04:32:11,960 --> 04:32:17,220
operating the family daycare home since 2021 and is requesting renewal of zoning approval

3270
04:32:17,220 --> 04:32:20,640
for this use to continue operation on the property,

3271
04:32:21,220 --> 04:32:23,120
planning commission and staff recommend approval,

3272
04:32:23,280 --> 04:32:25,380
subject to the conditions in your staff report.

3273
04:32:26,440 --> 04:32:31,020
Thank you everyone, this is a public hearing on case 26SN 2129

3274
04:32:31,020 --> 04:32:33,080
Jennings, family,

3275
04:32:35,200 --> 04:32:36,160
daycare home.

3276
04:32:36,480 --> 04:32:38,200
Is there anyone who would like to speak to this case?

3277
04:32:38,440 --> 04:32:40,540
If so, please come forward and see your name.

3278
04:32:43,660 --> 04:32:44,600
Seeing no one, I'm gonna go ahead

3279
04:32:44,600 --> 04:32:45,560
and close this public hearing,

3280
04:32:45,660 --> 04:32:46,800
it's back before the board.

3281
04:32:47,100 --> 04:32:48,580
This case is in the Dale District

3282
04:32:48,580 --> 04:32:52,640
And that rounds out each one of us had one in case this evening.

3283
04:32:53,840 --> 04:32:55,000
So Dr. Hillin.

3284
04:32:56,120 --> 04:33:00,180
You know, as we look at making child care more affordable,

3285
04:33:00,360 --> 04:33:03,460
I think that this is an important thing to have in our community,

3286
04:33:03,900 --> 04:33:05,960
especially with people talk about having child care

3287
04:33:05,960 --> 04:33:08,820
at their doorstep or close to where they work.

3288
04:33:09,460 --> 04:33:11,380
By this being in the neighborhood, I can imagine

3289
04:33:11,380 --> 04:33:14,620
it's going to be used by the residents in that area.

3290
04:33:14,620 --> 04:33:25,060
So I'm happy to make a motion to approve case 26 SSN 21 29 subject to conditions in the staff report.

3291
04:33:25,500 --> 04:33:25,680
Second.

3292
04:33:26,140 --> 04:33:27,940
I hear a second any discussion?

3293
04:33:29,380 --> 04:33:30,820
All in favor say aye.

3294
04:33:32,000 --> 04:33:32,560
Opposed.

3295
04:33:33,200 --> 04:33:34,020
Madam Clerk.

3296
04:33:34,300 --> 04:33:36,200
Mr. Chair, you have two discussion cases.

3297
04:33:36,440 --> 04:33:40,100
The first of which is 25 SN 1336.

3298
04:33:40,100 --> 04:33:44,000
McConnell Recreational Vehicle Parking Miss Hatch.

3299
04:33:47,580 --> 04:33:48,140
Welcome.

3300
04:33:50,310 --> 04:33:51,390
Good evening, Mr. Chair.

3301
04:33:51,450 --> 04:33:52,290
Members of the Board.

3302
04:33:52,510 --> 04:33:53,190
Mr. Harris.

3303
04:33:53,970 --> 04:33:58,190
Case 25, S.N. 1336 and the Bermuda Magisterial District.

3304
04:33:58,670 --> 04:34:02,810
McConnell Recreational Vehicle Parking is a request for conditional use to permit the

3305
04:34:02,810 --> 04:34:06,210
parking of a recreational vehicle in the SC district.

3306
04:34:06,730 --> 04:34:10,570
The applicants are seeking their need approval to permit the parking of an approximately

3307
04:34:10,570 --> 04:34:13,510
40-foot recreational vehicle within the front property.

3308
04:34:15,090 --> 04:34:20,610
The property is 0.46 acre in size and is earned SC surrounding properties in the area, or

3309
04:34:20,610 --> 04:34:21,770
also is earned SC.

3310
04:34:23,470 --> 04:34:27,390
The image on the left is a property which is highlighted in white and shown as improved with

3311
04:34:27,390 --> 04:34:29,790
the single family dwelling and associated driveway.

3312
04:34:30,070 --> 04:34:35,590
The image on the right is a comprehensive plan to use designation that, to this properties

3313
04:34:35,590 --> 04:34:39,850
within the test-to-plan area, where the plan suggests the property is appropriate for

3314
04:34:39,850 --> 04:34:43,470
residential uses at a rate of 2.5 units per acre.

3315
04:34:45,570 --> 04:34:47,870
So as a way of background, in September 2025,

3316
04:34:48,150 --> 04:34:49,690
the Department of Communion Enhancement

3317
04:34:49,690 --> 04:34:51,810
received a concern that a recreational vehicle

3318
04:34:51,810 --> 04:34:54,150
was parked outside of the rear yard on the property.

3319
04:34:55,010 --> 04:34:57,350
The owners were subsequently issued a notice of violation

3320
04:34:57,350 --> 04:34:58,890
and are now seeking conditionally

3321
04:34:58,890 --> 04:35:01,610
suitable to permit the parking of the 40 foot RV

3322
04:35:01,610 --> 04:35:04,050
in the driveway as shown in the picture on the side.

3323
04:35:04,950 --> 04:35:06,850
The property is situated on a cold assac

3324
04:35:06,850 --> 04:35:09,610
which results in a narrower, narrower, rude,

3325
04:35:09,610 --> 04:35:11,790
front-edge than non-culticec lots.

3326
04:35:12,150 --> 04:35:14,370
The house is centrally located on the property

3327
04:35:14,370 --> 04:35:17,030
with a driveway terminating at a front-loaded garage

3328
04:35:17,030 --> 04:35:18,370
as you can see in the picture.

3329
04:35:19,310 --> 04:35:22,250
A concrete drainage ditch and culver is located along the front

3330
04:35:22,250 --> 04:35:24,490
edge of the lot and runs underneath the driveway

3331
04:35:24,490 --> 04:35:26,350
further limiting parking locations

3332
04:35:26,350 --> 04:35:28,550
and screening opportunities on the property.

3333
04:35:29,170 --> 04:35:30,890
For these reasons, the applicants are seeking

3334
04:35:30,890 --> 04:35:32,950
to store the RV and its current location

3335
04:35:32,950 --> 04:35:34,590
in the driveway in front of the dwelling

3336
04:35:34,590 --> 04:35:35,530
that's shown in the picture.

3337
04:35:35,530 --> 04:35:41,930
Should this request be approved, staff has developed conditions that would permit the parking

3338
04:35:41,930 --> 04:35:47,370
of an RV on the property. Conditions include a limitation of one RV, no greater than 40 feet

3339
04:35:47,370 --> 04:35:54,810
in length, non-transferable approval and minimum setbacks. I did just want to make a point

3340
04:35:54,810 --> 04:36:00,970
of clarification. Condition one in the staff report lists the RV at 37 feet. It was clarified

3341
04:36:00,970 --> 04:36:06,550
by the applicant that the RV is 40 feet in length. So if this request were to be approved,

3342
04:36:06,550 --> 04:36:11,050
the condition would need to be amended to just note that the RV is for you feed and length.

3343
04:36:14,470 --> 04:36:18,730
But the planning commission and staff recommend denial with the recent adoption of the updated

3344
04:36:18,730 --> 04:36:23,590
zoning ordinance additional flexibility was provided to allow for the storage of RVs on residential

3345
04:36:23,590 --> 04:36:29,790
lots not only within the rear yard but within the side yard. As long as appropriate screening measures

3346
04:36:29,790 --> 04:36:34,890
are provided. At the time of the initial notice of violation, other properties that shared some

3347
04:36:34,890 --> 04:36:41,310
similar lot challenges along legate place were cited for the storage of RVs and have since

3348
04:36:41,310 --> 04:36:46,850
come into compliance through the relocation of RVs to other locations. If approved,

3349
04:36:47,070 --> 04:36:50,730
a precedent could be established for recreational vehicle storage in this neighborhood without

3350
04:36:50,730 --> 04:36:55,890
any measure of mitigation provided. Suffolk acknowledges the applicants desire to store the RV

3351
04:36:55,890 --> 04:37:00,370
on their home as well as the challenges of maneuvering the RV to other locations on the property

3352
04:37:00,370 --> 04:37:06,490
due to the topography presence of drainage ditches and the location of the house. However,

3353
04:37:06,730 --> 04:37:11,870
the ability to screen or mitigate visual impact on surrounding neighbors on legate places not

3354
04:37:11,870 --> 04:37:17,370
feasible. The driveway and the property appears to be approximately 65 feet long, resulting in

3355
04:37:17,370 --> 04:37:22,450
over half the driveway's length occupied by the RBE, which further demonstrates the visual impact

3356
04:37:22,450 --> 04:37:26,970
that the storage of the RV could have on this location and the future property owners along

3357
04:37:27,990 --> 04:37:35,890
The property is not conducive to the storage of RV and there are likely no conditions that would mitigate the impact of the use on adjoining properties.

3358
04:37:36,590 --> 04:37:39,870
That's end of my presentation and I'm available for any questions.

3359
04:37:40,330 --> 04:37:43,510
For members, are there any questions for staff?

3360
04:37:45,250 --> 04:37:52,540
Does the applicant present come ahead and come on and give your presentation?

3361
04:38:04,300 --> 04:38:04,840
Good evening.

3362
04:38:05,440 --> 04:38:07,120
Kevin McConnell, the property owner.

3363
04:38:07,120 --> 04:38:10,280
I know it's been a long night, so I'm trying to make this brief.

3364
04:38:11,520 --> 04:38:16,720
Understand the ordinance that applies to recreational vehicle parking.

3365
04:38:17,960 --> 04:38:25,260
I also understand the ordinance that the county uses to define a recreational vehicle.

3366
04:38:27,200 --> 04:38:34,380
The vehicle in question, the longest horizontal projection in one direction is 39 feet.

3367
04:38:34,380 --> 04:38:42,260
The longest horizontal projection in the other direction is 12.5 feet, the total square footage

3368
04:38:42,260 --> 04:38:52,200
therefore is 485 square feet. The county's definition in the ordinance applies to 400 square feet or less.

3369
04:38:52,920 --> 04:38:59,640
My vehicle is not considered a recreational vehicle by the county definition. This case must be closed.

3370
04:39:01,180 --> 04:39:02,060
Thank you.

3371
04:39:03,040 --> 04:39:03,780
Any questions?

3372
04:39:04,460 --> 04:39:05,700
Any questions for the applicant?

3373
04:39:09,320 --> 04:39:10,120
Thank you.

3374
04:39:10,700 --> 04:39:14,340
Everyone, this is a public hearing on case 25SN1336,

3375
04:39:15,140 --> 04:39:16,900
McConnell Recreation of vehicle parking.

3376
04:39:17,420 --> 04:39:20,240
Is there any would like to speak to this case of so please come forward

3377
04:39:20,240 --> 04:39:21,640
and state your name?

3378
04:39:32,340 --> 04:39:32,540
Welcome.

3379
04:39:33,700 --> 04:39:35,120
If you want to bring them down, you can.

3380
04:39:35,420 --> 04:39:36,080
Good evening.

3381
04:39:36,120 --> 04:39:37,220
My name is Jenny Castle.

3382
04:39:38,040 --> 04:39:44,180
I just wanted to say that I think that this lovely couple, I don't know if you've ever met them or talked to them, but they're lovely.

3383
04:39:44,720 --> 04:39:46,360
I've met them two times now.

3384
04:39:48,160 --> 04:39:50,900
They have this opportunity to retire.

3385
04:39:51,680 --> 04:39:53,640
Do you see them sitting over here?

3386
04:39:54,200 --> 04:39:54,940
That's them.

3387
04:39:55,460 --> 04:39:56,200
They have an RV.

3388
04:39:56,740 --> 04:39:57,340
They're blessed.

3389
04:39:57,580 --> 04:39:58,500
They have this gift.

3390
04:39:59,020 --> 04:40:01,540
It's parked in their driveway and a cul-de-sac.

3391
04:40:01,540 --> 04:40:05,780
Who drove around picking out RVs parked in the parking lot in this neighborhood?

3392
04:40:06,180 --> 04:40:11,780
Obviously someone. It's not hurting anyone. I just can't imagine that this

3393
04:40:12,440 --> 04:40:17,600
family's RV is such a big deal that we would say, no, you can't have it here. It's

3394
04:40:17,600 --> 04:40:22,420
not how many people drive down that road and see it every day. They've made every

3395
04:40:22,420 --> 04:40:30,040
try to make every accommodation and I just think that we should really consider being a

3396
04:40:30,040 --> 04:40:36,260
neighbor, and helping them have an RV that they're able to travel with and have family with,

3397
04:40:37,080 --> 04:40:41,880
and it's theirs. I mean we've got way bigger fish to fry in the county than an RV,

3398
04:40:41,980 --> 04:40:45,560
parking the cul-de-sac. So could you please consider letting them keep their RV?

3399
04:40:47,020 --> 04:40:50,340
Because I think they really deserve to have their RV and their driveway.

3400
04:40:51,500 --> 04:40:55,700
It's our right to have our property right. We should be good neighbors and help them do that.

3401
04:40:55,700 --> 04:40:56,980
Thank you.

3402
04:41:06,100 --> 04:41:10,040
Good evening. Good evening, Justin Goodman, 15201, James River Drive.

3403
04:41:10,660 --> 04:41:18,320
You know, I do find it really odd that there is so much effort on this minute thing. This

3404
04:41:18,320 --> 04:41:24,720
really is peanuts. You know, we step all over people's property rights left and right. They have

3405
04:41:24,720 --> 04:41:29,860
a beautiful cold assac, the RV, you're saying it's not big enough for the driveway and stuff.

3406
04:41:29,860 --> 04:41:39,960
Like when I'm saying the fact that this is even an issue, when there's so much more that the county should be addressing, this should get passed.

3407
04:41:40,040 --> 04:41:43,820
You know, Ms. Calf will just spoke, I don't think I'm supposed to do that, so I apologize.

3408
04:41:44,140 --> 04:41:49,860
But the previous speaker spoke really nice and there were half, and I'm just going to say they're like she said.

3409
04:41:49,880 --> 04:41:54,960
There's way bigger fish to fry. It's really crazy that you're stressing out about this.

3410
04:41:54,960 --> 04:42:02,080
But if it's an ordinance, you know, I think you guys should be enforcing all of the ordinances that

3411
04:42:02,080 --> 04:42:07,940
and violations that are, you know, it's a Thomas Pickin' and Choosing, you got, this is a small fish,

3412
04:42:08,020 --> 04:42:12,660
you got big fish to fry and, you know, I'll be back for public comment, but that's really it, you know,

3413
04:42:12,700 --> 04:42:16,040
please, for them, approve it. That's all.

3414
04:42:26,180 --> 04:42:26,700
Jerry Turner,

3415
04:42:29,690 --> 04:42:30,550
there is an ordinance,

3416
04:42:33,580 --> 04:42:34,220
and I'm sure the

3417
04:42:34,220 --> 04:42:39,420
The neighbors around there don't want to be hostile towards them.

3418
04:42:39,700 --> 04:42:45,180
They've got to have had a complaint because they wouldn't have come up to if they hadn't

3419
04:42:45,180 --> 04:42:45,860
have been a complaint.

3420
04:42:48,960 --> 04:42:54,620
If you're going to let this happen, then you need to take it, code up for whatever you

3421
04:42:54,620 --> 04:42:57,740
ordered you got, and let people fight wherever they want to.

3422
04:42:58,780 --> 04:43:03,480
If you're going to make an ordinance and force it, if you're not going to enforce it, do away

3423
04:43:03,480 --> 04:43:04,420
with it.

3424
04:43:04,580 --> 04:43:05,180
Thank you.

3425
04:43:05,180 --> 04:43:06,680
Thank you, Mr. Turner.

3426
04:43:10,430 --> 04:43:12,870
Anyone else who would like to speak on this case?

3427
04:43:13,650 --> 04:43:15,110
I'm going to be heading close to public hearing.

3428
04:43:15,230 --> 04:43:16,290
It's back before the board.

3429
04:43:16,690 --> 04:43:19,190
This case is at the Bermuda district, Mr. Engel.

3430
04:43:21,500 --> 04:43:23,240
Can the applicant come back up?

3431
04:43:27,890 --> 04:43:29,650
Well, he's coming up, Mr. Minks.

3432
04:43:31,790 --> 04:43:33,070
Just out of curiosity.

3433
04:43:34,010 --> 04:43:38,110
He made a point that he believes that he's exempt and code

3434
04:43:38,690 --> 04:43:40,030
can you weigh in on that?

3435
04:43:40,330 --> 04:43:43,710
You know, actually, I think the planners are ready to do that.

3436
04:43:43,710 --> 04:43:46,270
I'm sorry, plan is already to do that.

3437
04:43:46,630 --> 04:43:53,870
I have not heard this square footage issue before, but I think Ms. Hatch can actually explain that under the bill.

3438
04:43:53,910 --> 04:43:57,390
Can I get to any answer real quick, sir, for a conversation?

3439
04:43:58,850 --> 04:44:05,410
Yes, yes. So the zoning ordinance is less recreational equipment as well as recreational vehicles.

3440
04:44:05,990 --> 04:44:08,450
So the definition of recreational equipment means

3441
04:44:08,450 --> 04:44:14,130
And trailer roads, boat trailers, house trailers, and it also includes pickup campers

3442
04:44:14,130 --> 04:44:14,750
or coaches.

3443
04:44:16,490 --> 04:44:20,610
So it is correct that recreational vehicle does have the square footage, definition,

3444
04:44:20,930 --> 04:44:27,630
however, the use in the zoning, the restricted use includes recreational equipment and recreational

3445
04:44:27,630 --> 04:44:28,190
vehicles.

3446
04:44:28,950 --> 04:44:33,970
So this would, because this does not meet the restrictions, it would require conditional use.

3447
04:44:36,880 --> 04:44:40,820
And do we have any complaints from the direct neighbors?

3448
04:44:42,540 --> 04:44:46,480
I have not, throughout the duration of the case, I've not heard from the direct neighbors.

3449
04:44:46,560 --> 04:44:50,120
It did come in as a, you know, a complaint through our community enhancement.

3450
04:44:50,180 --> 04:44:51,660
I understand that.

3451
04:44:51,660 --> 04:44:51,960
Yes.

3452
04:44:52,340 --> 04:44:54,360
But I'm going to let you talk, sir, I promise.

3453
04:44:54,680 --> 04:44:58,320
But through the duration of the case, I have not heard from any neighbors stop a session.

3454
04:44:59,240 --> 04:44:59,660
And then,

3455
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:09,480
We did hear from before he submitted the application. He did reflect whose neighbors as well and he had not heard any concerns from direct neighbors.

3456
04:45:09,980 --> 04:45:11,900
Okay. Thank you. Sir.

3457
04:45:17,210 --> 04:45:17,390
Yeah.

3458
04:45:18,770 --> 04:45:20,470
Can you speak to your neighbors?

3459
04:45:20,830 --> 04:45:21,470
Kevin McConnell.

3460
04:45:21,870 --> 04:45:22,610
No, your neighbors.

3461
04:45:24,170 --> 04:45:31,870
At the beginning of this process, we followed the request for polling our neighbors.

3462
04:45:31,870 --> 04:45:38,310
We sent letters to 16 neighbors, even people behind us who can't see our driveway.

3463
04:45:39,910 --> 04:45:46,950
We got 11 responses back, not of a more negative. The other five we didn't hear from. We had a

3464
04:45:46,950 --> 04:45:55,890
public meeting invited the same people. Nobody attended other than one who's not a neighbor.

3465
04:45:55,890 --> 04:45:58,270
Do you have the 11 responses?

3466
04:45:59,250 --> 04:45:59,670
Yes, I do.

3467
04:45:59,830 --> 04:46:03,770
I don't have them with me, but I believe I sent them to Betsy.

3468
04:46:06,000 --> 04:46:08,060
I'm going to defer this case.

3469
04:46:08,660 --> 04:46:11,420
I like to get a copy of those letters.

3470
04:46:12,600 --> 04:46:13,400
In the past,

3471
04:46:15,160 --> 04:46:16,040
good, batter, and different.

3472
04:46:18,020 --> 04:46:18,420
I have,

3473
04:46:18,420 --> 04:46:20,920
I've approved a sawmill in a neighborhood,

3474
04:46:21,380 --> 04:46:22,430
which I told people beforehand,

3475
04:46:23,260 --> 04:46:25,040
there was no way they were going to get a sawmill.

3476
04:46:25,680 --> 04:46:31,900
And the woman argued her case as you are, and I said, well, tell you what.

3477
04:46:32,100 --> 04:46:36,560
You go get your neighbors to agree to a saw mill, and I'll let you have a saw mill.

3478
04:46:37,800 --> 04:46:43,360
And lo and behold, she brought in 40 neighbors to allow them to have a saw mill.

3479
04:46:43,680 --> 04:46:44,920
So guess what?

3480
04:46:45,160 --> 04:46:46,140
They got a saw mill.

3481
04:46:47,800 --> 04:46:53,440
I would like to see, I also think there's maybe a possibility for some mitigation with

3482
04:46:53,440 --> 04:47:00,640
But if your neighbors on both sides of you and the neighbors in the cold of sacrifice with it, then I would take that into consideration.

3483
04:47:00,940 --> 04:47:03,620
But I would like to spend some, I'll give you my number.

3484
04:47:04,540 --> 04:47:09,980
I want to talk with your neighbors in the 11 that you reached out to look at their responses a little closer.

3485
04:47:11,260 --> 04:47:16,060
And after I've had a chance to do that, I think I can do that in the next 30 days.

3486
04:47:16,440 --> 04:47:21,420
And so I'm sorry for the delay, but it's better than the denial.

3487
04:47:21,420 --> 04:47:46,520
So I'm going to make I'm going to make a motion to defer case 25s in 1, 3, 3, 6, to our August 22nd, 24, 26 August 26th board meeting and in between now and then we'll do some more talking and see if we can find a path forward for you.

3488
04:47:46,520 --> 04:47:50,120
I'm not making any promises, but I will be glad to talk to you about it.

3489
04:47:50,360 --> 04:47:50,720
You got it?

3490
04:47:50,720 --> 04:47:51,720
In fact, you're the second.

3491
04:47:51,840 --> 04:47:52,540
How much is second?

3492
04:47:52,920 --> 04:47:53,260
Second.

3493
04:47:53,520 --> 04:47:54,380
All right, I got a second.

3494
04:47:54,640 --> 04:47:54,980
Any discussion?

3495
04:47:55,360 --> 04:47:55,740
Yes.

3496
04:47:55,880 --> 04:47:56,960
Question for Mr. Mink.

3497
04:47:57,160 --> 04:47:59,660
We have to hold a hearing now on the deferral.

3498
04:47:59,780 --> 04:48:00,680
I'll call you just vote.

3499
04:48:00,840 --> 04:48:01,800
You can just vote on it.

3500
04:48:02,000 --> 04:48:03,760
You've had a public hearing on the matter.

3501
04:48:03,880 --> 04:48:05,620
Anybody could address any issue.

3502
04:48:05,840 --> 04:48:08,780
There won't be a public hearing next month because it's already had a public hearing

3503
04:48:08,780 --> 04:48:09,140
as much.

3504
04:48:11,360 --> 04:48:16,120
I think I need some more time to be able to accept answers.

3505
04:48:16,120 --> 04:48:18,140
Do you care that?

3506
04:48:18,980 --> 04:48:19,140
Yeah.

3507
04:48:19,520 --> 04:48:19,880
That's fine.

3508
04:48:20,080 --> 04:48:20,920
That's what you need.

3509
04:48:21,100 --> 04:48:22,020
That's what we'll do.

3510
04:48:22,920 --> 04:48:23,020
Thank you.

3511
04:48:23,040 --> 04:48:23,520
All in favor.

3512
04:48:24,000 --> 04:48:24,040
Hi.

3513
04:48:24,200 --> 04:48:24,220
Hi.

3514
04:48:24,420 --> 04:48:26,540
All right.

3515
04:48:26,740 --> 04:48:27,580
Madam Clerk.

3516
04:48:28,280 --> 04:48:29,460
Mr. Chair, your last discussion.

3517
04:48:29,820 --> 04:48:32,600
Case is 26SN205-8.

3518
04:48:32,860 --> 04:48:34,360
Old gun communications tower.

3519
04:48:34,520 --> 04:48:35,540
Mr. Ramsey.

3520
04:48:38,100 --> 04:48:39,180
Good evening, Mr. Chair.

3521
04:48:39,280 --> 04:48:40,060
Members of the board.

3522
04:48:40,340 --> 04:48:40,940
Mr. Harris.

3523
04:48:41,600 --> 04:48:43,960
Case 26SN205-8.

3524
04:48:43,960 --> 04:48:48,180
the mid-Lothian magistral district, old gun communications towers, or requests to

3525
04:48:48,180 --> 04:48:52,340
amend prior zoning approval, to replace an existing communications tower with a

3526
04:48:52,340 --> 04:48:57,120
taller, monopole, telecommunication tower that will have sector arrays in a semi-world

3527
04:48:57,120 --> 04:49:04,320
neighborhood district. The request is on 0.238, or on properties currently zones semi-world

3528
04:49:04,320 --> 04:49:08,840
neighborhood, and located outside of a residential subdivision. Surrounding properties are

3529
04:49:08,840 --> 04:49:10,580
in semi-world neighborhood.

3530
04:49:12,600 --> 04:49:14,200
The first image on the left reflects an aerial

3531
04:49:14,200 --> 04:49:16,100
the property and is also occupied

3532
04:49:16,100 --> 04:49:18,880
by the existing telecommunications tower

3533
04:49:18,880 --> 04:49:20,700
as well as one single family dwelling.

3534
04:49:21,480 --> 04:49:22,640
Existing neighborhoods that

3535
04:49:22,640 --> 04:49:24,120
adjoined the property include Penifer

3536
04:49:24,120 --> 04:49:27,020
Park to the south and a resigning to the north.

3537
04:49:27,860 --> 04:49:29,160
The second image on the right reflects

3538
04:49:29,160 --> 04:49:31,900
the comprehensive plans land use plan for the property

3539
04:49:31,900 --> 04:49:33,840
and it designates it for residential neighborhood

3540
04:49:33,840 --> 04:49:36,400
one and the supports residential uses.

3541
04:49:38,000 --> 04:49:44,700
A 199-foot monopole tower with sector ray antennas is proposed that proposed tower would replace

3542
04:49:44,700 --> 04:49:50,600
an existing 100-foot slick-stick design tower with internally mounted antennas that received

3543
04:49:50,600 --> 04:49:52,100
Zone Unapproval on 2015.

3544
04:49:53,080 --> 04:49:57,560
The proposed tower will replace the existing telecommunications tower and be located within

3545
04:49:57,560 --> 04:50:01,840
the same compound as highlighted in the area on the property of the red circle.

3546
04:50:03,660 --> 04:50:10,280
This slide shows a conceptual tower elevation for this request, which will be 199 feet tall.

3547
04:50:11,020 --> 04:50:16,100
The proposed tower will provide the infrastructure needed for rise and wireless, as well as other wireless carriers,

3548
04:50:16,720 --> 04:50:20,700
to expand and improve their networks in this area of the county.

3549
04:50:21,640 --> 04:50:27,400
The applicant has indicated the tower is proposed to address capacity issues with cellular service for the area,

3550
04:50:27,400 --> 04:50:35,780
It would be designed to construct it to accommodate additional carriers, designed would minimize the need for additional towers in the area as well.

3551
04:50:38,210 --> 04:50:44,170
The tower sighting policy requires that proposed towers be located at least 300 feet from off-site dwellings.

3552
04:50:44,650 --> 04:50:51,350
The tower does not meet the minimum setback from an off-site dwelling that is currently under construction west of the proposed tower.

3553
04:50:51,350 --> 04:50:59,990
The tower will be located approximately 269 feet from the nearest off-site dwelling on an adjacent property known as 11400 Pinter for Park Court.

3554
04:51:00,750 --> 04:51:07,050
And this measurement is shown in the current slide, and this is a dwelling that's currently being constructed within the Pinter for Park subdivision.

3555
04:51:07,810 --> 04:51:17,570
Staff is supportive of the proposed setback reduction, because the existing trees and vegetation remain on-site between the proposed towers compound and the existing dwelling.

3556
04:51:19,080 --> 04:51:28,880
This zoning request proposes to amend conditions 3 and 6 of the original zoning approval to relative to the tower height and design.

3557
04:51:29,420 --> 04:51:36,220
A condition regarding co-locations been added to the zoning case to ensure multiple carriers will be able to utilize this tower in the future.

3558
04:51:36,960 --> 04:51:42,340
Additionally, a condition has been added to address a setback reduction from the proposed tower to an off-site dwelling.

3559
04:51:43,480 --> 04:51:47,400
All other conditions of the previous zoning approval will remain in force and effect.

3560
04:51:49,220 --> 04:51:53,260
Planning, planning, commission, and staff recommend approval of this request.

3561
04:51:53,920 --> 04:51:58,600
The coverage for the existing telecommunications tower is limited due to the restricted

3562
04:51:58,600 --> 04:52:00,120
height and design of the tower.

3563
04:52:01,000 --> 04:52:05,020
The applicant's proposal is to provide enhanced telecommunication coverage to the surrounding

3564
04:52:05,020 --> 04:52:05,460
area.

3565
04:52:06,120 --> 04:52:10,360
The proposed tower will be built in the same locations the existing tower, and given the

3566
04:52:10,360 --> 04:52:14,820
location the proposed tower in a densely wooded area below a ridge line, and being set back

3567
04:52:14,820 --> 04:52:18,900
all the vulnerabilities. The taller tower will not be highly visible from nearby roadways

3568
04:52:18,900 --> 04:52:23,940
in most area properties. While completely minimizing the visual impact of the taller tower

3569
04:52:23,940 --> 04:52:28,420
at the dislocation is not feasible, the tower's location on the property with a required

3570
04:52:28,420 --> 04:52:32,980
screening of the tower base will continue to minimize the visual impact.

3571
04:52:35,020 --> 04:52:35,900
Additionally, the proposed

3572
04:52:35,900 --> 04:52:40,000
tower design and height would accommodate additional users for co-location opportunities

3573
04:52:40,000 --> 04:52:44,240
they're by negating the need for an additional tower structure in the area.

3574
04:52:45,340 --> 04:52:51,680
And at the planning commission hearing staff had received 24 letters of opposition and two letters of support for this request.

3575
04:52:52,100 --> 04:52:57,080
However today for the board says in comment portal we only received one letter of support.

3576
04:52:57,780 --> 04:53:00,280
And at this point, I'd be happy to answer any questions from the board.

3577
04:53:02,910 --> 04:53:05,310
Thank you, sir. Any questions for staff?

3578
04:53:07,830 --> 04:53:08,770
Is the applicant present?

3579
04:53:21,370 --> 04:53:22,430
Good evening, Mr. Chairman.

3580
04:53:22,430 --> 04:53:27,010
members of the board, Mr. Harris. My name is Brian Prater with Williams Mollon, here at

3581
04:53:27,010 --> 04:53:32,630
tonight on behalf of the applicant. You've got a long evening, so I will be brief Mr. Ramsey

3582
04:53:32,630 --> 04:53:36,910
gave a great presentation filling in from Ms. Gibson who is hopefully enjoying her vacation

3583
04:53:36,910 --> 04:53:43,270
and want to thank staff for all their efforts. Just want to touch on a few items in my presentation.

3584
04:53:43,750 --> 04:53:50,190
Mr. Ramsey talked about the setback item. The county's tower policy when they consider reductions

3585
04:53:50,190 --> 04:53:56,870
in that setback to an offsite dwelling, allow for that when there is an existing mature state of

3586
04:53:56,870 --> 04:54:03,050
vegetation between the proposed tower and the offsite dwelling, and this visual shows that

3587
04:54:03,050 --> 04:54:09,970
it's mature densely forested between, there's about 211 feet between the proposed monopole and

3588
04:54:09,970 --> 04:54:17,310
the property boundary there. One of the things when they identify lack or gaps in coverage and

3589
04:54:17,310 --> 04:54:20,830
capacity is the engineers come up with a search area ring.

3590
04:54:20,990 --> 04:54:23,510
That's what you see on the screen here.

3591
04:54:24,430 --> 04:54:27,510
And when there is a search area ring, Verizon Wireless

3592
04:54:27,510 --> 04:54:31,350
and the developers look at all potential co-location

3593
04:54:31,350 --> 04:54:33,550
opportunities within that ring,

3594
04:54:33,910 --> 04:54:36,550
there are none in this area that we're suitable

3595
04:54:36,550 --> 04:54:38,790
for additional infrastructures.

3596
04:54:38,970 --> 04:54:41,510
So that is why a new tower is being proposed.

3597
04:54:43,230 --> 04:54:44,830
And then one of the go-throughs, some of the visuals,

3598
04:54:45,310 --> 04:54:46,530
I've ballooned tests and photosomes.

3599
04:54:46,530 --> 04:54:52,250
I will go through those fairly quickly, and these were done prior to the application and show

3600
04:54:52,250 --> 04:54:57,370
some of the visual impacts that will largely be obscured from view, but there are some

3601
04:54:57,370 --> 04:54:58,730
instances where it could be visible.

3602
04:54:59,130 --> 04:55:03,910
This is from old gun road east, but blown through small to see it here.

3603
04:55:04,390 --> 04:55:09,070
This where that arrow is pointed, you can see it slightly over the tree line from robust crossing

3604
04:55:09,070 --> 04:55:09,690
drive.

3605
04:55:10,370 --> 04:55:16,490
And then this is another vantage point from Roby's crossing drive where you can kind of see it there.

3606
04:55:16,730 --> 04:55:22,870
And then the balloon test helps drive the photo simulations, which it's from these seven different vantage points.

3607
04:55:22,870 --> 04:55:25,830
And I will go through those fairly quickly for you.

3608
04:55:26,110 --> 04:55:32,070
This is from Lady Maryam Place, and you can see even in the winter where there aren't trees on the trees,

3609
04:55:32,430 --> 04:55:34,690
excuse me, it will be largely obscured.

3610
04:55:34,970 --> 04:55:37,690
It's that yellow dash line in the middle there.

3611
04:55:37,690 --> 04:55:43,650
This is from Landsdown Terrace, and similarly it will be obscured from view from this

3612
04:55:43,650 --> 04:55:45,210
goal this act.

3613
04:55:46,110 --> 04:55:52,250
This is from Old Gun Road East, and you can see it off there in the distance through the

3614
04:55:52,250 --> 04:55:52,970
farm area.

3615
04:55:55,120 --> 04:56:01,400
This is Ram's Horn Road, and again another example, when the leaves are off in the fall

3616
04:56:01,400 --> 04:56:08,700
winter, it's still obstructed from view, and then Lady Alice on Lane, this is on the winter,

3617
04:56:08,700 --> 04:56:15,440
you can't kind of see it over the if you look at that chimney just left in above just over

3618
04:56:15,440 --> 04:56:22,300
that tree canopy line. Thank you. And then should have had the arrow on that one too. When you

3619
04:56:22,300 --> 04:56:26,820
have the canopy up there and the leaves it will be obscured from view in this location.

3620
04:56:27,640 --> 04:56:33,360
Robius crossing drive you can see it with the leaves on it's poking above that tree kind of in the middle.

3621
04:56:35,640 --> 04:56:47,040
And then this is pinnifer park court and you can see it there without the weeds on just to the right of that ever grain that's a little tall with it.

3622
04:56:47,160 --> 04:56:54,360
White lines are and then this is the same vantage point in the summer months where it is largely obscure and hard to see from this vantage point.

3623
04:56:55,300 --> 04:56:58,920
And then one thing really want to touch on this is the coverage map.

3624
04:56:58,920 --> 04:57:03,020
What you see in the grayish, sorry, the coloring is not great on this map.

3625
04:57:03,120 --> 04:57:05,600
The grayish is the existing adequate coverage.

3626
04:57:05,700 --> 04:57:10,980
What they consider adequate coverage is you can make calls, texts, you're not going to be able to reliably stream videos.

3627
04:57:11,820 --> 04:57:15,080
The gray is the existing hundred foot slick stick hole.

3628
04:57:15,660 --> 04:57:23,300
What you see in the teal and blue is the additional coverage and capacity that's provided by this proposed model poll.

3629
04:57:23,300 --> 04:57:26,220
So there have been three major complaint areas.

3630
04:57:26,900 --> 04:57:30,060
One is the Archer Springs community, the 55 and older community.

3631
04:57:30,660 --> 04:57:34,860
Robies elementary and middle school, which does end the athletic fields that are there

3632
04:57:34,860 --> 04:57:39,380
has little to no coverage, parents, weight and line, and are picking up their kids and

3633
04:57:39,380 --> 04:57:42,360
can't make text and calls, and then Terrington as well.

3634
04:57:42,700 --> 04:57:48,060
You can see with the proposed monopole, all of those areas, Terrington, not as much, but Robies

3635
04:57:48,060 --> 04:57:53,100
elementary and middle school as well as Archer Springs would be included within that

3636
04:57:53,100 --> 04:57:54,920
have some reliable coverage.

3637
04:57:57,020 --> 04:57:58,800
One of the items we've heard a lot of concerns about

3638
04:57:58,800 --> 04:58:03,580
is property values. This slide shows some statistics that a lot of home buyers

3639
04:58:03,580 --> 04:58:07,740
consider wireless coverage as one of the critical items when they're

3640
04:58:07,740 --> 04:58:11,780
considering a home purchase working from home, school from home, those are

3641
04:58:11,780 --> 04:58:16,580
big factors when people are looking at their purchasing a new home. And then lastly,

3642
04:58:16,660 --> 04:58:21,000
most importantly, public safety. I mentioned the 55 and older community that's near

3643
04:58:21,000 --> 04:58:28,080
I mentioned Roby as elementary in middle school, 80% of 911 calls are from a cellular device.

3644
04:58:28,640 --> 04:58:35,080
And when you don't have those coverage areas, you're going to have difficulty getting in touch with your first responders.

3645
04:58:35,260 --> 04:58:39,780
Or first responders are getting having difficulty getting in touch with those other first responders.

3646
04:58:39,920 --> 04:58:46,300
In fact, there was a recent incident, which you're all aware of with the two police officers in the K9 unit.

3647
04:58:46,300 --> 04:58:57,320
Shortly after that Verizon Wireless got outreach from the county about how poor coverage impacted their ability to respond in that instance, and so they're looking at evaluation.

3648
04:58:57,520 --> 04:59:06,460
That's a different part and not impacted by this tower, but that's just a real life example where the truly is a critical infrastructure for the public safety aspect.

3649
04:59:08,220 --> 04:59:12,180
Try to be brief. That is my presentation. I can answer any questions you have.

3650
04:59:12,180 --> 04:59:12,940
Thank you.

3651
04:59:13,060 --> 04:59:14,740
My board, is there any questions you have for your

3652
04:59:14,740 --> 04:59:15,340
the applicant?

3653
04:59:18,710 --> 04:59:21,150
Seeing none, thank you so much.

3654
04:59:21,830 --> 04:59:25,670
Everyone, this is a public hearing on case 26SN 2058

3655
04:59:26,070 --> 04:59:27,790
Old Gun Communications Tower.

3656
04:59:28,210 --> 04:59:29,990
Is there anyone who would like to speak to this case?

3657
04:59:30,270 --> 04:59:32,570
So, please come forward and state your name.

3658
04:59:38,850 --> 04:59:40,230
Can I need that little gentleman?

3659
04:59:40,670 --> 04:59:40,950
This is doable.

3660
04:59:41,710 --> 04:59:41,770
Yeah.

3661
04:59:42,550 --> 04:59:43,790
Keep going, there you go.

3662
04:59:44,670 --> 04:59:46,290
I used to be taller than this.

3663
04:59:46,490 --> 04:59:46,850
Good evening.

3664
04:59:46,870 --> 04:59:48,450
Where's the crew when you need them, man?

3665
04:59:50,610 --> 04:59:52,850
My name is Jan Slesinger.

3666
04:59:53,330 --> 04:59:57,870
I am here tonight representing two communities, actually.

3667
04:59:57,910 --> 04:59:59,990
I am president of the HOA4.

3668
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:07,480
The bill is at Archer Springs, which Brian has already mentioned, that is a 55-plus neighborhood with 96 homes.

3669
05:00:08,040 --> 05:00:15,040
And I think you all were passed out what I brought our letter of support signed by all 96 homeowners.

3670
05:00:16,280 --> 05:00:27,780
And, secondarily, a neighborhood across the street from us, the gentleman who is president of their civil civic association was unable to attend tonight.

3671
05:00:27,780 --> 05:00:34,500
his father-in-law, happens to live in our neighborhood, and so he asked if I would bring his letter of

3672
05:00:34,500 --> 05:00:44,080
support and state their support for your approval for this. I think some things that are important

3673
05:00:44,080 --> 05:00:49,760
to keep in mind are that, first of all, in our neighborhood, two thirds of the neighborhood is now

3674
05:00:49,760 --> 05:00:56,000
in their 70s and 80s, almost everyone relies on a cell phone. There are very few land lines in

3675
05:00:56,000 --> 05:01:05,440
neighborhood and since 2003 our ability to make and get calls has been steadily decreasing.

3676
05:01:06,140 --> 05:01:12,080
To the point that we have a few months ago had an incident where a homeowner needed to

3677
05:01:12,080 --> 05:01:17,220
call an ambulance and had to go halfway up the street in order to get the call to go through.

3678
05:01:17,860 --> 05:01:23,100
We were fortunate that that was not life threatening at the time but had it been that probably

3679
05:01:23,100 --> 05:01:29,460
could have become a very tragic accident or incident. And we also just in the last couple of

3680
05:01:29,460 --> 05:01:37,440
days had a homeowner, excuse me, who has a security company, apparently their alarm went off

3681
05:01:37,440 --> 05:01:42,660
and the security company tried to call three times, could not get the call through. The homeowner

3682
05:01:42,660 --> 05:01:47,240
was not aware of that and suddenly the police were on the doorsteps scaring the hell out of them.

3683
05:01:47,240 --> 05:01:51,140
Well, I mean, not because of the police, but they have just, it didn't know why.

3684
05:01:52,560 --> 05:02:00,720
So, I would simply urge you to take, I mean, I know there are folks that don't want this because of the values of their home,

3685
05:02:00,840 --> 05:02:08,320
or they don't want to see a tower, although I think Brian has suggested that quite well, or addressed that quite well.

3686
05:02:08,320 --> 05:02:18,280
But for the bulk of us, this is a health and safety issue, and we really need a higher

3687
05:02:18,280 --> 05:02:25,380
tower that gets the signal through to all of us in order to have peace in mind and confidence

3688
05:02:25,380 --> 05:02:28,020
in our ability to communicate when we need to.

3689
05:02:28,020 --> 05:02:29,560
Thank you very much.

3690
05:02:39,680 --> 05:02:43,940
Hello again, Justin Goodman, 15201, James Werver Drive, down in French George.

3691
05:02:43,940 --> 05:02:49,440
So, you know, I find it interesting, there's a setback requirement for that tower for a reason.

3692
05:02:50,800 --> 05:02:54,960
Possibly for a health impact, maybe, you know, you didn't discuss any of the

3693
05:02:56,220 --> 05:03:05,320
raised 5G, anything that comes off that. So, you guys are wanting to do a basically a conditional use permit to allow them to build this,

3694
05:03:05,320 --> 05:03:07,620
which is actually going to encompass someone's home.

3695
05:03:07,620 --> 05:03:09,980
Are you going to

3696
05:03:09,980 --> 05:03:19,820
V8 code 8.01-225.1 is going to be gross negligence if that person, you know, because then it's all public record right now. Are you going to allow that person?

3697
05:03:20,220 --> 05:03:22,400
There's building that house who's going to buy that, you don't have to answer.

3698
05:03:22,900 --> 05:03:27,240
Are you going to inform them that you did this? Probably not, because that's what Calvin's do.

3699
05:03:28,020 --> 05:03:36,120
But that is gross negligence, and I'm going to read that extreme carelessness showing a complete neglect of safety and absence of care.

3700
05:03:36,120 --> 05:03:41,780
He knows what that means and really if y'all do this and that person ends up getting cancer later on

3701
05:03:41,780 --> 05:03:48,080
There's a reason that setback is there. Okay. I've become an expert in in you know

3702
05:03:48,080 --> 05:03:55,840
Electromagnetic radiation RF 5G all of these things and you know one thing that is really interesting

3703
05:03:55,840 --> 05:04:01,980
And it is selfish and this is unfortunately the way the world is she's not worried about other people's property values

3704
05:04:03,140 --> 05:04:04,560
That's actually pathetic

3705
05:04:05,300 --> 05:04:08,160
Okay, how many people are going to be affected by that?

3706
05:04:08,240 --> 05:04:11,580
You know, we have imminent domain going with all these other things that we'll talk to and

3707
05:04:11,580 --> 05:04:13,180
public, you know, because I got to stay on topic.

3708
05:04:14,820 --> 05:04:20,140
But it's she's going to fork over dollars for the people that'll lose property value over this.

3709
05:04:21,040 --> 05:04:21,680
Definitely not.

3710
05:04:21,780 --> 05:04:27,200
Is the county going to provide compensation to those people that are going to lose property

3711
05:04:27,200 --> 05:04:27,840
value?

3712
05:04:27,960 --> 05:04:28,720
Definitely not.

3713
05:04:28,880 --> 05:04:32,060
Just like on the data center stuff that you're not going to.

3714
05:04:32,060 --> 05:04:36,620
And, you know, she wouldn't want to be in the house that it's going to

3715
05:04:36,620 --> 05:04:37,360
just to share a company.

3716
05:04:37,380 --> 05:04:40,580
I am not going to let him sit in a tack in the other citizen in his community.

3717
05:04:40,720 --> 05:04:40,920
Okay.

3718
05:04:41,220 --> 05:04:43,340
If you want to, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

3719
05:04:43,740 --> 05:04:45,460
You should be polite about it, sir.

3720
05:04:45,820 --> 05:04:46,460
Well, I'll read.

3721
05:04:46,580 --> 05:04:47,000
I'll refrain.

3722
05:04:47,120 --> 05:04:48,980
If you want to attack me, I got no problem with that.

3723
05:04:49,200 --> 05:04:51,080
But he took the other citizen in the community.

3724
05:04:51,720 --> 05:04:53,140
And she's from just a few accounting.

3725
05:04:53,780 --> 05:04:54,300
And guess what?

3726
05:04:54,300 --> 05:04:56,080
That's what then what he tells me, too.

3727
05:04:56,300 --> 05:04:56,580
Here's the best.

3728
05:04:56,720 --> 05:04:57,560
None, I'm not.

3729
05:04:57,560 --> 05:04:58,540
I don't want to sell some.

3730
05:04:58,540 --> 05:05:02,920
And each of Carol's made a legitimate, if you're going to continue to have this conversation.

3731
05:05:04,640 --> 05:05:09,920
Are you guys going to compensate people for the diminishing property value?

3732
05:05:10,620 --> 05:05:10,680
No.

3733
05:05:11,580 --> 05:05:13,620
And I appreciate you correcting me.

3734
05:05:14,100 --> 05:05:15,380
I don't really understand the core.

3735
05:05:15,380 --> 05:05:17,920
I'm just getting started because I've brought boards everywhere.

3736
05:05:18,100 --> 05:05:21,880
I mean, you know, unfortunately, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do this.

3737
05:05:22,220 --> 05:05:23,820
But God's guiding me on the path.

3738
05:05:24,320 --> 05:05:24,360
Okay.

3739
05:05:24,360 --> 05:05:27,720
And how you actually outburst it is just going to show.

3740
05:05:27,720 --> 05:05:29,560
I got 15 seconds left.

3741
05:05:29,880 --> 05:05:36,060
Where is the information provided over the rays and all the effects that are coming off these towers?

3742
05:05:36,160 --> 05:05:38,480
There was nothing on there about the health effects.

3743
05:05:39,240 --> 05:05:40,980
The citizens voted 22 something.

3744
05:05:41,100 --> 05:05:41,880
They don't want it.

3745
05:05:42,040 --> 05:05:43,140
If you do it, you're seeing it already.

3746
05:05:43,320 --> 05:05:45,220
I'll be back for the public comment.

3747
05:05:45,520 --> 05:05:46,040
Thank you, sir.

3748
05:05:50,020 --> 05:05:50,500
Thank

3749
05:05:55,360 --> 05:05:55,840
you.

3750
05:05:55,900 --> 05:05:56,440
Jerry Turner.

3751
05:05:58,700 --> 05:06:02,020
We got people who stayed all night tonight.

3752
05:06:02,540 --> 05:06:03,980
Usually they're gone by now.

3753
05:06:05,220 --> 05:06:09,820
I'm not going to take credit for that, probably the data center probably call some of that.

3754
05:06:11,540 --> 05:06:16,500
But I do encourage people to come out every time I go to one of these meetings and I'm

3755
05:06:16,500 --> 05:06:22,920
not sure about how to do it to see sitting in, they may have felt sorry for a model.

3756
05:06:24,860 --> 05:06:30,120
But anyway, y'all do what you got to do with this deal, but I just want to make sure that

3757
05:06:30,120 --> 05:06:38,860
people know, I appreciate them showing up, whether they voted to or not, it's more than just

3758
05:06:38,860 --> 05:06:42,200
the three of us here at the end of the night. Thank you very much.

3759
05:06:42,560 --> 05:06:43,040
Thank you, sir.

3760
05:06:47,210 --> 05:06:50,050
Sure, anyone else who would like to speak to this case?

3761
05:06:50,310 --> 05:06:51,510
Yes, sir.

3762
05:06:51,510 --> 05:06:51,890
Anyone else?

3763
05:07:02,560 --> 05:07:04,060
Sarah Whitener from the Lothian.

3764
05:07:05,720 --> 05:07:11,760
I just wanted to bring to the board's attention that there's not a lot of published peer-reviewed

3765
05:07:11,760 --> 05:07:17,060
journals about the science behind the damages for 5G towers, but I think it's really important

3766
05:07:17,060 --> 05:07:22,940
to do some research. I mean I think they have a really legitimate reason for wanting better

3767
05:07:22,940 --> 05:07:28,280
coverage. So I don't know how this weighs on your choice but I do think that it's important to

3768
05:07:28,280 --> 05:07:35,480
understand that there's a lot of links between EMS and 5G towers increasing the rate of mold

3769
05:07:35,480 --> 05:07:42,360
and toxic microtoxins in an environment which would really have a huge impact on older homes in

3770
05:07:42,360 --> 05:07:48,340
the area. I think that's important. I had set my children to a school with a 5G tower on it

3771
05:07:48,340 --> 05:07:53,740
and we had a lot of health issues to uncover and it's a very mysterious and difficult process

3772
05:07:53,740 --> 05:07:58,760
to pinpoint, which is why the data is really terrible. But I think there's also a lot of people trying

3773
05:07:58,760 --> 05:08:04,160
hard to get it out there and it's worth doing some research on. I just wanted to share that.

3774
05:08:04,160 --> 05:08:05,240
Thank you.

3775
05:08:05,240 --> 05:08:05,240
Thank

3776
05:08:10,390 --> 05:08:10,870
you.

3777
05:08:10,950 --> 05:08:13,090
Anyone else would like to speak to this case?

3778
05:08:13,990 --> 05:08:17,050
If now I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing, it's back before the board.

3779
05:08:17,430 --> 05:08:18,990
This is in the mid-Lothian district.

3780
05:08:23,490 --> 05:08:31,350
I understand the issue related to 5G and the concerns of the electromagnetic.

3781
05:08:33,550 --> 05:08:42,050
When I am looking at these kind of issues, can I bring Mr. Amsey back up again if I could

3782
05:08:45,830 --> 05:08:47,610
It's around as you still hear.

3783
05:08:50,650 --> 05:08:51,890
We get the right room.

3784
05:08:53,370 --> 05:08:54,050
Yes, sir.

3785
05:08:57,160 --> 05:08:58,140
And I mean to the applicant.

3786
05:08:58,560 --> 05:09:00,860
But I think it's important to come from you.

3787
05:09:02,020 --> 05:09:06,520
My understanding is that there is spotty coverage

3788
05:09:06,520 --> 05:09:08,760
had been low-theon middle school.

3789
05:09:08,900 --> 05:09:12,500
Oh, sorry, at Robius middle school and Robius elementary.

3790
05:09:12,840 --> 05:09:13,520
Is that true?

3791
05:09:15,630 --> 05:09:19,410
Dr. Miller, I think that may come a little bit better from the applicant

3792
05:09:19,410 --> 05:09:22,490
because they're the technology experts behind the propagation,

3793
05:09:22,730 --> 05:09:24,790
perhaps, of some of the existing service that Verizon

3794
05:09:24,790 --> 05:09:26,490
is trying to provide in the area.

3795
05:09:27,270 --> 05:09:28,930
I have heard that through the process here,

3796
05:09:29,010 --> 05:09:30,630
and they've given that information to staff it.

3797
05:09:30,750 --> 05:09:32,630
Yes, coverage has been difficult in the area,

3798
05:09:33,270 --> 05:09:35,770
but if you like, we can start really bring back up.

3799
05:09:36,030 --> 05:09:37,870
Mr. McGrater, the address that you like.

3800
05:09:38,890 --> 05:09:40,890
Thank you for that.

3801
05:09:42,490 --> 05:09:44,670
That's the only question I had to free you.

3802
05:09:45,410 --> 05:09:50,350
My thinking is that people will ask me

3803
05:09:50,350 --> 05:09:55,770
know, how I make a decision or, and I, if I make everything a priority, nothing is a priority,

3804
05:09:55,890 --> 05:10:03,010
which is what the challenge is here. And so what I am always thinking about as public

3805
05:10:03,010 --> 05:10:14,570
safety, that is my number one priority. And the tower is already exists. It's already there.

3806
05:10:14,570 --> 05:10:29,370
It's just going to be taller, so as far as 5G or whatever, we'll improve coverage, but there is some impact on some folks being able to see it.

3807
05:10:29,550 --> 05:10:40,750
If this conversation was over 200 feet, it would not be something that I would approve or even move to approve, because then it would have a light on top of it.

3808
05:10:40,750 --> 05:10:49,170
But it is under the one under the 200, and so I'm always going to put the kids first and

3809
05:10:49,610 --> 05:10:56,510
The folks that live nearby if have them forbid something were to happen in our elementary school or in our middle school

3810
05:10:56,510 --> 05:11:05,530
Okay, I just I couldn't live with myself if have them for a bid something were to happen there and they could not call for help

3811
05:11:06,350 --> 05:11:06,950
and

3812
05:11:06,950 --> 05:11:10,330
That is my overriding factor on this

3813
05:11:10,750 --> 05:11:19,970
that I want to first make sure that when someone is in a 55 plus community and they dial

3814
05:11:19,970 --> 05:11:28,950
911, that there is someone on the way. And so that's where I am with it is that this

3815
05:11:28,950 --> 05:11:34,450
is something that makes sense to me to approve. And with that I'm going to go ahead and

3816
05:11:34,450 --> 05:11:42,150
move to a prove case number two six SN2058 subject to the conditions in a staff report.

3817
05:11:42,790 --> 05:11:43,750
Could I get a second?

3818
05:11:44,070 --> 05:11:44,210
It's two.

3819
05:11:44,290 --> 05:11:44,610
I'll second.

3820
05:11:44,830 --> 05:11:45,710
I have some questions.

3821
05:11:46,870 --> 05:11:52,850
We've got a second and before we take a vote, let's go ahead and I'm had some discussion.

3822
05:11:53,510 --> 05:11:55,150
I have the applicant come back up.

3823
05:11:56,700 --> 05:11:57,840
Why are you coming up, Mr. Goodman?

3824
05:11:58,020 --> 05:11:58,420
I apologize.

3825
05:11:58,760 --> 05:11:59,380
You're absolutely right.

3826
05:11:59,560 --> 05:12:00,620
I shouldn't have snapped at you.

3827
05:12:02,400 --> 05:12:03,220
It's not okay.

3828
05:12:03,500 --> 05:12:04,140
You were correct.

3829
05:12:04,820 --> 05:12:14,680
I just get defensive sometimes, because I don't want people to get picked on, and you weren't trying to be mean, but we need to be sensitive of that, but I apologize to you, sir.

3830
05:12:18,200 --> 05:12:23,420
We've had this discussion on the 5G come up with towers before.

3831
05:12:24,420 --> 05:12:31,980
And the question that I have is, how often does the applicant test the towers?

3832
05:12:32,580 --> 05:12:39,140
Because we know that there is a regulation on how much energy is supposed to be put out from these towers.

3833
05:12:39,440 --> 05:12:45,280
The FCC requires that, but the truth of the matter is, the FCC requires the applicant to test.

3834
05:12:46,060 --> 05:12:48,860
It doesn't require us to test.

3835
05:12:50,060 --> 05:12:51,160
Am I right on that?

3836
05:12:51,600 --> 05:12:55,440
I'm going to have to defer that to our RF engineer that is here.

3837
05:12:55,640 --> 05:12:57,920
Well, the answer is, it makes will say I'm correct.

3838
05:12:57,920 --> 05:13:05,880
And so what I would make a recommendation for this, Mr. Chair, is what we did in one of our other

3839
05:13:05,880 --> 05:13:11,120
zoning, one of our other tower cases is to require periodic testing of the tower to make sure

3840
05:13:11,120 --> 05:13:17,660
that it meets the FCC requirements that is being emanated from the tower.

3841
05:13:18,160 --> 05:13:23,060
I think we required the last one to do it one at every five years, I think, is what we looked at.

3842
05:13:23,420 --> 05:13:27,480
Now, the difference on that site certainly was the fact it was a county-owned site and it was

3843
05:13:27,480 --> 05:13:34,880
proximity to, I think, a school, can't force you to do it, but I would say that I think

3844
05:13:34,880 --> 05:13:39,280
it's a good practice, especially when we have towers in the neighborhoods and it's a good

3845
05:13:39,280 --> 05:13:45,160
practice for the community. And then, and have some information put out about that, that

3846
05:13:45,160 --> 05:13:49,940
area are meeting the requirements that you're supposed to meet on the towers. Because it is

3847
05:13:49,940 --> 05:13:54,740
a difference now, whether most people, I think Mr. Goodman probably knows what I'm getting

3848
05:13:54,740 --> 05:14:01,980
to talk about, when cell phones first came out was 800 megahertz, different than 5G.

3849
05:14:03,900 --> 05:14:08,660
Even your microwaves, I think, operate at 2.8 gigahertz or pretty close to it, between

3850
05:14:08,660 --> 05:14:13,720
2.4 to 2.8 differences are at like 1800 watts, that's why they can nuke your food.

3851
05:14:14,360 --> 05:14:20,040
We're talking them very low wattage, especially in your cell phones, which is why you actually

3852
05:14:20,040 --> 05:14:25,000
have to put just tower up because the low wattage in the cell phones on the direct line of

3853
05:14:25,000 --> 05:14:27,820
site have trouble hitting the tower to be able to do it.

3854
05:14:27,920 --> 05:14:33,180
And it's not probably just one server on that tower, just probably multiple companies that

3855
05:14:33,180 --> 05:14:34,320
have equipment on the tower.

3856
05:14:34,400 --> 05:14:35,640
Am I right about that?

3857
05:14:37,120 --> 05:14:43,500
So, which means you don't just have one cell phone server pushing out 5G, you have multiple cell

3858
05:14:43,500 --> 05:14:45,200
phone servers that are pushing out 5G.

3859
05:14:45,200 --> 05:14:49,980
And I think it's important, Mr. Chair, that we make sure that these towers do get

3860
05:14:52,320 --> 05:14:56,380
I would ask Mr. Meeks, I'm not sure what tool we have to do then.

3861
05:14:57,820 --> 05:14:59,780
I think I think what you're talking about is having.

3862
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:11,740
In addition, being as part of the approval that have to be in the amendment to the motion that was made, but a condition that just requires to be tested on a five year basis to make sure that it is meeting the FCC requirements.

3863
05:15:12,740 --> 05:15:14,940
If I heard correctly your engineers here right now.

3864
05:15:15,300 --> 05:15:15,780
Did I hear the right?

3865
05:15:15,780 --> 05:15:21,540
I was going to ask if I could ask about what existing requirements for testing are with the FCC.

3866
05:15:22,880 --> 05:15:23,440
Yeah,

3867
05:15:28,290 --> 05:15:35,590
just to clarify, what federal law says you can consider the health impact on equipment

3868
05:15:35,590 --> 05:15:41,690
that is functioning in accordance with FCC regulations, so that's what you're speaking

3869
05:15:41,690 --> 05:15:42,630
to.

3870
05:15:42,810 --> 05:15:44,070
Yeah, I mean, every step.

3871
05:15:44,510 --> 05:15:44,990
Every step.

3872
05:15:44,990 --> 05:15:53,950
Every time we do, we do a study before we put it in, looking at the maximum power that the

3873
05:15:53,950 --> 05:15:57,750
Maximum permissive permissible exposures are on the ground level.

3874
05:15:58,330 --> 05:16:04,010
This tower has been studied right now. There's no indication of any kind of level at the ground level.

3875
05:16:04,010 --> 05:16:05,430
It would be over DMP.

3876
05:16:06,530 --> 05:16:07,870
We don't currently.

3877
05:16:08,450 --> 05:16:13,130
We review our power on our towers every kind of regular basis.

3878
05:16:13,130 --> 05:16:15,510
I don't know what the exact review period is,

3879
05:16:17,670 --> 05:16:20,550
but regular reports are done every once.

3880
05:16:20,550 --> 05:16:21,170
So,

3881
05:16:23,930 --> 05:16:24,810
sure.

3882
05:16:27,010 --> 05:16:27,890
Thank you.

3883
05:16:28,010 --> 05:16:29,950
Who are those reports shared with?

3884
05:16:30,750 --> 05:16:31,410
They're a turtle.

3885
05:16:31,650 --> 05:16:33,210
We also make submissions to the SEC.

3886
05:16:34,470 --> 05:16:38,490
So, someone wanted to take a look at those reports.

3887
05:16:38,730 --> 05:16:41,050
Would they have to FOIA the SEC to get the more they have.

3888
05:16:41,350 --> 05:16:41,530
Oh, yeah.

3889
05:16:42,210 --> 05:16:43,510
Oh, they online and available.

3890
05:16:44,190 --> 05:16:44,290
Absolutely.

3891
05:16:44,430 --> 05:16:45,930
They'd have to go through the SEC to get.

3892
05:16:47,370 --> 05:16:50,410
But if they did, then how often do you do the testing?

3893
05:16:50,410 --> 05:16:55,490
And we review our power settings on a regular basis every month pretty much.

3894
05:16:56,930 --> 05:16:59,670
I just thank you.

3895
05:17:00,030 --> 05:17:04,990
But even at maximum power, we're well within the limits for the SEC licenses.

3896
05:17:08,280 --> 05:17:12,600
And you would have to do the same testing Mr. Chair after the new towers installed, correct?

3897
05:17:15,300 --> 05:17:16,260
I don't understand the question.

3898
05:17:16,640 --> 05:17:19,340
If you've got to put a new tower in which is what we're doing here, right?

3899
05:17:19,540 --> 05:17:20,320
Is that a new tower?

3900
05:17:20,320 --> 05:17:22,600
You're just adding additional hundred feet.

3901
05:17:23,120 --> 05:17:25,200
OK, so yeah, you're going over high for a place.

3902
05:17:25,440 --> 05:17:27,440
Oh, not high, yes, but, OK.

3903
05:17:27,960 --> 05:17:30,240
OK, but you would end up having to do a test, right?

3904
05:17:30,240 --> 05:17:35,240
Once you put the new extension on and you put all the equipment in place,

3905
05:17:35,380 --> 05:17:37,040
then you'd be required to do a test.

3906
05:17:37,440 --> 05:17:40,820
Yeah, we verify that all our transmeters are transmitting

3907
05:17:40,820 --> 05:17:41,700
within the limits.

3908
05:17:45,700 --> 05:17:47,880
Is that, does that satisfy you?

3909
05:17:48,020 --> 05:17:52,120
Well, I think the problem is, and I'm not trying to be mean here,

3910
05:17:52,120 --> 05:17:55,520
but the problem is that it's a little bit difficult

3911
05:17:55,520 --> 05:17:58,080
for the community to get those tests.

3912
05:17:58,680 --> 05:18:01,900
I think if we require it to be shared in some way

3913
05:18:01,900 --> 05:18:03,540
and be done once every five years,

3914
05:18:03,840 --> 05:18:06,720
I think it shows transparency on the part of the cell

3915
05:18:06,720 --> 05:18:08,680
tower companies and it gives the community

3916
05:18:08,680 --> 05:18:10,580
opportunity to see that they're operating

3917
05:18:10,580 --> 05:18:12,960
when the parameters are supposed to operate in.

3918
05:18:13,060 --> 05:18:15,420
It's just my two cents on that.

3919
05:18:17,820 --> 05:18:21,400
It's something that we can work into the motion.

3920
05:18:21,400 --> 05:18:33,420
I think what we're asking is if the test that they're going to be running when the tower is completed would be the same test they would be running every five years.

3921
05:18:34,260 --> 05:18:37,200
And to make the results available.

3922
05:18:39,760 --> 05:18:41,880
And to make it available to the county or to make it available.

3923
05:18:43,420 --> 05:18:51,780
I think that he has a more precise word definition for what that test is.

3924
05:18:51,800 --> 05:18:54,280
It has to do with the with the output.

3925
05:18:55,500 --> 05:18:59,480
But he just he said it right now and I didn't take it down.

3926
05:19:03,540 --> 05:19:05,100
Can you come to the mic please?

3927
05:19:05,320 --> 05:19:06,220
That's it.

3928
05:19:13,140 --> 05:19:16,000
He said maximum permissible exposure limits.

3929
05:19:17,260 --> 05:19:20,040
Thank you.

3930
05:19:20,080 --> 05:19:21,520
Your motion, Mr. Chair.

3931
05:19:22,420 --> 05:19:27,380
The words you're using are maximum exposure limits.

3932
05:19:27,620 --> 05:19:28,120
See you again.

3933
05:19:28,300 --> 05:19:30,020
Permissible exposure limits.

3934
05:19:35,460 --> 05:19:39,500
Now all of this will fall under the FCC's regulations in Perfeele.

3935
05:19:41,000 --> 05:19:43,100
Those are all requirements for them to get their licensure.

3936
05:19:43,940 --> 05:19:48,580
And would you be okay with sharing that with our planning every five years?

3937
05:19:49,480 --> 05:19:52,280
I would have to consult with the towers, applicant.

3938
05:19:52,840 --> 05:19:54,240
That's the towers I'll see.

3939
05:19:54,780 --> 05:19:59,640
I think there might be some limitations on the county's requiring that's information

3940
05:19:59,640 --> 05:20:04,080
to be made public, but I would want to confer it about that first.

3941
05:20:04,800 --> 05:20:07,140
Mr. Chair, if I could.

3942
05:20:08,800 --> 05:20:13,080
You know, Dr. Hill, do we have anybody in the county that would oversee

3943
05:20:13,080 --> 05:20:20,720
that. So even if they did report every five years, I don't know if we have an employee here

3944
05:20:20,720 --> 05:20:30,080
that would be designated to receive that. So I think it might be more of a logistical

3945
05:20:30,080 --> 05:20:35,960
decision there. We're doing it now with other towers. We just required it with the Alberta

3946
05:20:35,960 --> 05:20:41,160
Smith tower. So we have some money in the county that's doing it? So the company is going to be

3947
05:20:41,160 --> 05:20:44,580
to do the testing and then send the report forward every five years.

3948
05:20:45,500 --> 05:20:48,800
So, so if they don't, we'll let Jesse come up.

3949
05:20:51,700 --> 05:20:53,160
I see Jesse Smith.

3950
05:20:53,300 --> 05:20:55,380
So, yeah, the difference that I think you do to this, Mr. Carol,

3951
05:20:55,420 --> 05:20:58,540
those are all the ones that are least properties of its county property.

3952
05:20:58,580 --> 05:21:00,980
So, we have a least with those particular operators.

3953
05:21:01,540 --> 05:21:02,640
We're able to get that information.

3954
05:21:02,980 --> 05:21:05,220
We do typically hire a consultant out to review that.

3955
05:21:05,220 --> 05:21:07,220
We don't have anyone on staff.

3956
05:21:07,220 --> 05:21:10,420
We got some folks over at some of our facilities

3957
05:21:10,420 --> 05:21:15,760
that have some knowledge of it. I think the other part should you decide to be for this, and they

3958
05:21:15,760 --> 05:21:21,100
agree to it as the question is, once we have that information, what do we do with it? Do we

3959
05:21:21,880 --> 05:21:26,180
do we mail it out to everyone with an uncertain radius or a particular neighborhood? And again,

3960
05:21:26,320 --> 05:21:30,760
I think there's some questions on the tower side of whether or not they're grable to that.

3961
05:21:35,240 --> 05:21:41,520
I think that's to do the test anyway, and it's FOIA, but anyway, so I don't understand why they

3962
05:21:41,520 --> 05:21:43,040
would be a problem with reporting.

3963
05:21:48,560 --> 05:21:50,520
And I think the concern right now is just

3964
05:21:50,520 --> 05:21:52,600
there are a lot of federal limitations

3965
05:21:52,600 --> 05:21:55,220
on what localities can or cannot require

3966
05:21:55,220 --> 05:21:58,080
of a tower application and tower applicant.

3967
05:21:59,020 --> 05:22:03,620
Well, I believe that's a viable position for them,

3968
05:22:03,880 --> 05:22:07,720
but a viable position for us is no.

3969
05:22:10,680 --> 05:22:11,340
There's no.

3970
05:22:12,440 --> 05:22:18,560
So I mean, I'm trying to get to a place

3971
05:22:18,560 --> 05:22:20,520
where we can look.

3972
05:22:20,880 --> 05:22:23,260
This is one of the hardest types of cases we have.

3973
05:22:23,460 --> 05:22:26,100
I talked to people about a case like this last week.

3974
05:22:27,260 --> 05:22:30,980
When we have no coverage, we have lots of people

3975
05:22:30,980 --> 05:22:34,140
that need coverage and ask for coverage

3976
05:22:34,140 --> 05:22:35,960
and beg us to give them a tower.

3977
05:22:36,680 --> 05:22:39,160
And where we have coverage that's decent,

3978
05:22:39,700 --> 05:22:42,520
if somebody's trying to upgrade the service,

3979
05:22:43,200 --> 05:22:46,980
we get a lot more pushback from the people in that area

3980
05:22:46,980 --> 05:22:51,580
that have the service say we don't need any more service we're fine don't give us this

3981
05:22:51,580 --> 05:22:58,020
tower and so we're left in a really precarious position because in some parts of the county

3982
05:22:59,260 --> 05:23:05,080
people are literally begging us for the towers and other parts are saying please don't give us another

3983
05:23:05,080 --> 05:23:13,400
tower and I mean what we have is citizens that literally have a health concern on one side

3984
05:23:13,400 --> 05:23:20,460
to be able to get medical care and time. On the other side we have people that should

3985
05:23:20,460 --> 05:23:27,560
have the ability to know what kind of frequencies are coming their way. I think there's

3986
05:23:27,560 --> 05:23:33,060
a way we can get there if we need to defer the case for a month so that you can consult

3987
05:23:33,060 --> 05:23:39,140
with them so that we can maybe get to a yes and that's okay with me if they don't want

3988
05:23:39,140 --> 05:23:45,740
report it, which is FOIABLE anyways, I don't understand their concern with not wanting to

3989
05:23:45,740 --> 05:23:50,440
have government overreach. I actually think some of the people that are saying we should

3990
05:23:50,440 --> 05:23:57,520
be making you do this also have concerns with government overreach. Again, the dilemmas that

3991
05:23:57,520 --> 05:24:04,260
we face on this board and why this is not an easy job to do. But if you can't share something

3992
05:24:04,260 --> 05:24:09,460
that you have to report anyways then I don't know how I can support it and I don't want

3993
05:24:09,460 --> 05:24:15,300
these people to go without a tower. So I don't know what we got to do here but there's

3994
05:24:15,300 --> 05:24:20,540
got to be a way we can work this out and if there's not then I mean you're basically going

3995
05:24:20,540 --> 05:24:26,560
to tell people you can't call 911 because we don't want to report our findings and I think

3996
05:24:26,560 --> 05:24:27,860
That's ridiculous.

3997
05:24:28,180 --> 05:24:28,940
So, Chair.

3998
05:24:30,200 --> 05:24:30,680
Yes.

3999
05:24:31,180 --> 05:24:32,740
Is there something that you could?

4000
05:24:32,780 --> 05:24:37,000
Is there could you go out and make a phone call or conference to see if they

4001
05:24:37,000 --> 05:24:41,680
will be willing to do it, and maybe we could come back to this case later on tonight?

4002
05:24:42,360 --> 05:24:45,400
That would be preferable because we are also up against that.

4003
05:24:45,620 --> 05:24:47,420
The shot clock actually does expire.

4004
05:24:47,780 --> 05:24:49,600
So, this decision has been made a different way.

4005
05:24:49,640 --> 05:24:51,140
It was not really an option for you.

4006
05:24:51,140 --> 05:24:53,480
And that's why I asked to build something

4007
05:24:53,480 --> 05:24:54,460
that you could.

4008
05:24:54,840 --> 05:24:57,340
I mean, I understand that the citizens here,

4009
05:24:58,040 --> 05:24:59,720
I understand both sides of the issue

4010
05:24:59,720 --> 05:25:03,000
and I'm just like Mr. Angle here.

4011
05:25:03,400 --> 05:25:05,380
I want to bring resolution to it.

4012
05:25:05,380 --> 05:25:06,520
I want you to feel comfortable.

4013
05:25:06,860 --> 05:25:09,520
And if maybe give you five or 10 minutes

4014
05:25:09,520 --> 05:25:13,040
to call the ownership group to see it,

4015
05:25:13,120 --> 05:25:16,160
you can build some consensus there, happy to do it.

4016
05:25:18,080 --> 05:25:20,720
But you can imagine the predicament where

4017
05:25:20,720 --> 05:25:24,800
we're in, in terms of trying to help out with the situation.

4018
05:25:26,800 --> 05:25:29,960
So I'll yield my time back to Mr. Chair.

4019
05:25:30,240 --> 05:25:33,300
I want to be very clear what we're asking from this applicant.

4020
05:25:34,440 --> 05:25:43,640
What we're asking is that the individual make available, what they ultimately are testing,

4021
05:25:44,340 --> 05:25:50,160
to ensure that they are in compliance with the FCC, and they're in compliance to what is

4022
05:25:50,160 --> 05:25:56,400
levels. The question is, and I think Mr. Smith asked a great question, who's going to get

4023
05:25:56,400 --> 05:26:02,360
that information and how is it going to be disseminated and whose responsibility is it

4024
05:26:02,360 --> 05:26:08,320
to disseminate it? The truth is that this is on private land and the truth is that they're

4025
05:26:08,320 --> 05:26:16,540
making a profit by having this. So I am all four public safety and I want my elementary

4026
05:26:16,540 --> 05:26:25,800
in my middle school and the folks over at Archer Springs and Tarington and Old Gun and in the whole area.

4027
05:26:25,840 --> 05:26:35,220
It Queen's Park to be safer because I do hear often that there is deep concerns when they dial 911.

4028
05:26:36,020 --> 05:26:41,320
There isn't a signal to bring safety to where whatever is going on.

4029
05:26:41,320 --> 05:26:51,000
So that's my question is what would you suggest or what would you ask your client to do that would satisfy the support?

4030
05:26:52,200 --> 05:27:01,960
And if I may ask the question is would it be permissible to do testing in accordance with FCC regulations and making that available?

4031
05:27:01,960 --> 05:27:07,080
I do not know off the top of my head of what's the frequency someone was

4032
05:27:07,080 --> 05:27:10,160
wrong five years or a month every month.

4033
05:27:10,480 --> 05:27:12,860
I don't know the frequency in which they test that.

4034
05:27:12,900 --> 05:27:15,140
I know they have to do it before and shortly thereafter.

4035
05:27:15,880 --> 05:27:18,540
But if we could tie it to the FCC regulations,

4036
05:27:18,660 --> 05:27:23,180
I think that would be something that is more amenable to the applicant.

4037
05:27:24,420 --> 05:27:27,240
Okay, so if we were to tie it, of course to the FCC,

4038
05:27:28,020 --> 05:27:29,980
all we need to do is verify it or transparent.

4039
05:27:29,980 --> 05:27:47,160
And how about the submitting it, just how do you feel about just submitting it with the conditional use permit and the planning would be responsible for if we can do

4040
05:27:50,680 --> 05:27:51,440
that internally.

4041
05:27:52,240 --> 05:27:59,920
We can do that internally, but your question is it comes forward and we can decide the dissemination methods is just getting it to the planning department.

4042
05:27:59,920 --> 05:28:01,940
I think it's really what we're asking.

4043
05:28:02,060 --> 05:28:03,260
Right, that's all nice.

4044
05:28:03,940 --> 05:28:04,100
Right.

4045
05:28:04,560 --> 05:28:05,040
Well also.

4046
05:28:05,080 --> 05:28:09,320
So I think what you're saying is what we're talking about.

4047
05:28:09,880 --> 05:28:10,720
Mr. Chair also.

4048
05:28:10,720 --> 05:28:11,280
Dr. Kelly.

4049
05:28:12,640 --> 05:28:19,700
If, if it's out of the range, the suitable range with the FCC pull back the license.

4050
05:28:20,880 --> 05:28:21,100
Yes.

4051
05:28:21,980 --> 05:28:22,300
Okay.

4052
05:28:22,720 --> 05:28:23,520
Just want to make sure.

4053
05:28:24,860 --> 05:28:28,560
So then we don't have to pull back our special use permit.

4054
05:28:29,140 --> 05:28:31,540
They would already be pulled that by FCC.

4055
05:28:33,000 --> 05:28:36,880
They cannot operate if they're outside the federal regulations in FCC.

4056
05:28:37,660 --> 05:28:39,580
There's nothing that they could do.

4057
05:28:39,820 --> 05:28:40,700
Mr. Carroll.

4058
05:28:41,620 --> 05:28:43,980
I mean, that's the point of this.

4059
05:28:44,520 --> 05:28:46,860
Is that someone needs a monitor, right?

4060
05:28:46,860 --> 05:28:49,660
And if the FCC is monitoring it, we know that if they get it,

4061
05:28:50,180 --> 05:28:51,180
and they look at the report.

4062
05:28:52,800 --> 05:28:54,660
And they're going to do something about it.

4063
05:28:54,740 --> 05:28:55,160
That's important.

4064
05:28:55,160 --> 05:28:56,400
But our community,

4065
05:28:58,560 --> 05:29:02,140
if the information is not available to them, they have no idea.

4066
05:29:03,300 --> 05:29:07,760
Now, truth to matter is, and again, I don't want to deny the case I want them to have

4067
05:29:07,760 --> 05:29:10,380
now a one-service, and I know how important it is.

4068
05:29:10,620 --> 05:29:14,780
You mentioned the other case where we had the author involved shooting, and I was there,

4069
05:29:15,040 --> 05:29:18,780
a self-funded work, all the police officers' phones, self-funded work.

4070
05:29:19,360 --> 05:29:21,480
The people live in a neighborhood, their self-funded doesn't work.

4071
05:29:21,480 --> 05:29:25,040
So I understand what it does.

4072
05:29:25,600 --> 05:29:27,940
I just want to make sure that we're in the process,

4073
05:29:28,340 --> 05:29:29,780
we're giving some assurance, as to the people

4074
05:29:29,780 --> 05:29:35,960
of an area, that there is an accountability process

4075
05:29:35,960 --> 05:29:38,720
with this, because I think a lot of people just

4076
05:29:38,720 --> 05:29:42,240
don't think there is any other discussion.

4077
05:29:43,800 --> 05:29:48,700
So what I would like to do is I would like to remove

4078
05:29:48,700 --> 05:29:51,640
or withdraw my initial motion.

4079
05:29:52,500 --> 05:29:56,300
And then I would like to make the disposition.

4080
05:29:56,920 --> 05:30:00,000
I'm going to move to a proof case, two, six.

4081
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:19,160
6S and 0258, subject to not only the conditions and the staff report, but also that you're going to make available to planning on a regular basis, which I'm going to define as once a year.

4082
05:30:19,160 --> 05:30:28,740
For the next, well, once a year, two planning your reports for FCC, all reports have been submitted to the FCC.

4083
05:30:30,100 --> 05:30:31,720
Mr. Minks have I forgotten anything.

4084
05:30:32,120 --> 05:30:32,540
That's fine.

4085
05:30:32,660 --> 05:30:33,280
Does that work?

4086
05:30:34,860 --> 05:30:39,640
My board, does that make you feel comfortable enough to offer a second?

4087
05:30:41,240 --> 05:30:42,040
Yeah, I'm sorry.

4088
05:30:42,860 --> 05:30:50,100
They'll have to accept it, but if they, I will second the motion, they're going to have to go talk and decide whether they accept it.

4089
05:30:50,420 --> 05:30:58,040
My one question is if there are no, if you go one year and there are, isn't a reporting requirement for that calendar year?

4090
05:30:59,360 --> 05:31:02,720
Still, I still want you to submit it. I still want you to submit it.

4091
05:31:02,720 --> 05:31:02,840
I still want you to submit it.

4092
05:31:02,840 --> 05:31:03,500
If there's not.

4093
05:31:03,680 --> 05:31:04,000
If there's not.

4094
05:31:04,000 --> 05:31:04,740
If there's not.

4095
05:31:04,740 --> 05:31:05,560
report to be.

4096
05:31:05,740 --> 05:31:06,720
They're not short.

4097
05:31:06,980 --> 05:31:11,680
What's it, met this would just be a, that they would be required to submit to you any report

4098
05:31:11,680 --> 05:31:15,800
that they file with the FCC, but it may not be on a yearly basis.

4099
05:31:16,060 --> 05:31:16,460
Okay.

4100
05:31:17,780 --> 05:31:18,220
No.

4101
05:31:18,460 --> 05:31:20,020
He said, he said, and he said.

4102
05:31:20,080 --> 05:31:24,880
He said he said he said monthly, he says they tested, and he didn't say they submit.

4103
05:31:25,560 --> 05:31:25,660
Yes.

4104
05:31:25,660 --> 05:31:25,960
Yeah.

4105
05:31:26,240 --> 05:31:27,400
We'd see if they are.

4106
05:31:27,560 --> 05:31:28,900
And 10 is the beach transmit.

4107
05:31:29,200 --> 05:31:29,860
They're going to be.

4108
05:31:29,920 --> 05:31:31,140
Can you go to the microphone please?

4109
05:31:31,820 --> 05:31:33,320
Can you say that again?

4110
05:31:33,320 --> 05:31:43,450
We monitor the powers will we transmit at all the time constantly. Okay, if we see those limits, then we have to pull the power back. We do that

4111
05:31:44,800 --> 05:31:52,120
We have all the time we're checking our power of making sure we're not exceeding any limits. Okay, and then we don't

4112
05:31:52,120 --> 05:32:00,470
I mean, this is not a we don't go through a certification every month right here with the SEC free site. We have thousands and thousands of sales lines

4113
05:32:01,690 --> 05:32:03,990
So, do you submit anything to the FCC?

4114
05:32:05,770 --> 05:32:08,910
There's national submissions, but I'm not even sure what they look like.

4115
05:32:11,560 --> 05:32:16,600
So, what would you suggest to be able to do?

4116
05:32:17,020 --> 05:32:18,500
We're just one carrier.

4117
05:32:19,560 --> 05:32:21,800
What are you going to do with the next carrier that comes on?

4118
05:32:23,300 --> 05:32:26,340
I understand that, but we're going to take this one step at a time.

4119
05:32:26,340 --> 05:32:32,480
Because each case I have found is as a zone unique conditions.

4120
05:32:33,680 --> 05:32:35,400
So I'm curious to know...

4121
05:32:35,400 --> 05:32:36,680
I think about the power itself.

4122
05:32:36,900 --> 05:32:37,360
We've done it here.

4123
05:32:38,040 --> 05:32:38,200
Right.

4124
05:32:38,740 --> 05:32:39,660
You've done it here.

4125
05:32:41,700 --> 05:32:43,460
Because right now it's only you Verizon.

4126
05:32:43,840 --> 05:32:43,980
Correct.

4127
05:32:44,440 --> 05:32:47,300
And we're not, not with this application.

4128
05:32:47,440 --> 05:32:49,420
We're not adding any new technologies.

4129
05:32:50,600 --> 05:32:54,720
We already are transmitting on six different frequencies there.

4130
05:32:59,090 --> 05:33:06,130
So, there's a possibility that on this tower, going back to the applicant, that there could be additional

4131
05:33:06,130 --> 05:33:08,910
provide service providers on their AT&T wherever.

4132
05:33:09,570 --> 05:33:09,810
Yes.

4133
05:33:11,850 --> 05:33:16,690
Yeah, but the tower owner still has to do the FCC testing for the whole tower, right?

4134
05:33:17,010 --> 05:33:17,470
No.

4135
05:33:18,270 --> 05:33:20,130
Each service has to do their own tests.

4136
05:33:20,130 --> 05:33:21,930
We do our own submissions, yeah.

4137
05:33:22,370 --> 05:33:27,430
So, you would have to add that as a part of your lease with anybody that puts on a ray on there.

4138
05:33:27,430 --> 05:33:31,590
Well, we're not, Verizon isn't the power owner.

4139
05:33:33,110 --> 05:33:35,250
Well, that's why he's going to have to call the power owner.

4140
05:33:36,110 --> 05:33:40,030
If I made Verizon would be a tenant, they would be right.

4141
05:33:40,250 --> 05:33:45,610
The towers LLC would, is the developer, they would lease the land from the property owner,

4142
05:33:45,690 --> 05:33:49,430
put up the tower, they're already leasing the land, and put up the tower.

4143
05:33:50,130 --> 05:33:57,290
And then each additional carrier T-Mobile AT&T would get a lease from the towers to put

4144
05:33:57,290 --> 05:34:06,590
on a ray on that but you could ask each of them in their least to make FCC

4145
05:34:06,590 --> 05:34:11,890
filings that they would normally have to make available to the county as part

4146
05:34:11,890 --> 05:34:16,490
of your lease which because you're the ones asking for the tower you can do

4147
05:34:17,090 --> 05:34:21,290
that. So I'd thank you probably got to make a phone call and find out if you can

4148
05:34:21,290 --> 05:34:25,750
Get ESR now and that'll handle my decision.

4149
05:34:28,710 --> 05:34:29,150
Understood.

4150
05:34:31,870 --> 05:34:34,110
So I don't want to belabor this any longer.

4151
05:34:34,690 --> 05:34:35,870
I'm going to withdraw the motion.

4152
05:34:36,190 --> 05:34:38,490
I'm going to defer for 30 days.

4153
05:34:38,890 --> 05:34:39,430
Sure.

4154
05:34:40,610 --> 05:34:45,730
There's what they call the shot clock on tower approvals.

4155
05:34:46,770 --> 05:34:48,650
And shot clock expires this Saturday.

4156
05:34:49,430 --> 05:34:51,130
So you have to make this decision tonight.

4157
05:34:54,210 --> 05:35:01,130
Why don't we take a five or ten minute recess and see if we take a recess for 10?

4158
05:35:05,350 --> 05:35:06,190
Let's do this.

4159
05:35:07,150 --> 05:35:10,770
Let's go to public comments and then we'll come back.

4160
05:35:11,090 --> 05:35:12,010
Okay, I agree with you.

4161
05:35:12,450 --> 05:35:16,250
We'll go to public comments and then we will go back to the rest of the public hearing.

4162
05:35:16,790 --> 05:35:18,190
We already did a public hearing.

4163
05:35:18,790 --> 05:35:20,190
We're talking very in.

4164
05:35:21,550 --> 05:35:24,210
The citizens and comments at the unscheduled matters.

4165
05:35:25,450 --> 05:35:27,250
Let's go there next.

4166
05:35:27,270 --> 05:35:28,470
They've been waiting in the MMP.

4167
05:35:29,070 --> 05:35:33,190
So let's do that and then we'll come back to the public hearings that we have.

4168
05:35:33,790 --> 05:35:35,630
What ordinances and things like that.

4169
05:35:35,730 --> 05:35:36,510
Does that make sense, Madam?

4170
05:35:36,570 --> 05:35:36,750
Yes.

4171
05:35:37,190 --> 05:35:37,550
Okay.

4172
05:35:37,730 --> 05:35:38,510
Thank you for the clarification.

4173
05:35:39,690 --> 05:35:39,990
All right.

4174
05:35:40,010 --> 05:35:41,230
So we're doing item 20.

4175
05:35:41,710 --> 05:35:45,030
That's the 15 minutes citizen comment period on unscheduled matters.

4176
05:35:45,030 --> 05:35:48,770
This time is designated for citizens to talk to the Board of Supervisors.

4177
05:35:49,250 --> 05:35:53,210
It is not a time for dialogue with board members and it is not a question answer period.

4178
05:35:53,610 --> 05:35:57,790
Those conversations can easily occur with individual board members outside of the board meeting.

4179
05:35:58,430 --> 05:36:02,510
As a reminder, the board's procedure state knows that a sense shall speak on any matter of

4180
05:36:02,510 --> 05:36:05,410
business that is a subject on the board's agenda for that day.

4181
05:36:05,790 --> 05:36:08,550
And each speaker shall have three minutes to address the board.

4182
05:36:08,990 --> 05:36:12,570
We have five speakers if they'll please come up and speak in this order.

4183
05:36:12,570 --> 05:36:20,250
Curtis Pollock, Brian Feynman, Justin Goodman, Amy Beth Mullin, and Mike Carabinis, first speaker

4184
05:36:20,250 --> 05:36:21,630
as Curtis Pollock.

4185
05:36:36,990 --> 05:36:37,430
Good evening.

4186
05:36:38,970 --> 05:36:43,150
The environmental and health related concerns over data centers cannot be overstated, but

4187
05:36:43,150 --> 05:36:45,510
I want to talk about something much darker.

4188
05:36:46,250 --> 05:36:52,230
The time is now to stand up to technocratic tyranny, which is enabled by an increasingly

4189
05:36:52,230 --> 05:36:56,930
tyrannical government, a government controlled by the technocratic global elite via bribery.

4190
05:36:56,930 --> 05:37:02,870
extortion and fear. The people's voice regarding data centers is being systematically ignored

4191
05:37:02,870 --> 05:37:11,370
by local governments across the country for the very same reason not a single person has been brought to justice for the horrific acts described in the F.T. files.

4192
05:37:12,010 --> 05:37:15,990
That's because the country is really run by psychopath who hate us.

4193
05:37:16,810 --> 05:37:23,170
Most of these psychopaths are transhumanists who want the majority of the population controlled like sheep or worse

4194
05:37:23,170 --> 05:37:28,990
And they laughingly throw it right in the fate in our faces with names like flock and palentere.

4195
05:37:29,910 --> 05:37:32,570
1984 is rolled out right in front of your eyes.

4196
05:37:32,930 --> 05:37:38,770
And the data centers are the brains of a drag net system designed to take the very last of our liberties.

4197
05:37:39,770 --> 05:37:44,390
There are already 117,000 flock-style cameras installed in the United States.

4198
05:37:44,530 --> 05:37:45,990
And the number is growing swiftly.

4199
05:37:46,670 --> 05:37:49,130
Many of them are pointed where there aren't even any roads.

4200
05:37:49,130 --> 05:37:54,950
China, drones, and humanoid robots are already being deployed to police the population.

4201
05:37:55,790 --> 05:38:00,610
If you don't know what transhumanism is, let's allow Ray Kurzweil, Google's director

4202
05:38:00,610 --> 05:38:02,350
of engineering to explain his vision.

4203
05:38:03,250 --> 05:38:08,590
The singularity will represent the culmination of our biological thinking and existence with

4204
05:38:08,590 --> 05:38:14,030
our technology resulting in a world that is still human, but that transcends our biological

4205
05:38:14,030 --> 05:38:14,630
roots.

4206
05:38:14,630 --> 05:38:22,730
There will be no distinction post-singularity between human and machine or between actual and virtual reality.

4207
05:38:24,390 --> 05:38:33,370
Oracle Co-founder Larry Ellison says, citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting everything that is going on.

4208
05:38:33,370 --> 05:38:55,630
Billionaire tech investor Peter Teele was asked whether or not he would prefer the human race to endure, to which he markedly and repeatedly hesitated immediately after this exchange Teele went on to say that he wants humanity to be radically transformed by technology to become immortal creatures fundamentally different from our current state.

4209
05:38:55,630 --> 05:39:05,010
Whyard.com recently exposed Peter Seal as having formed a secret society called the Dialogue Society in 2006.

4210
05:39:05,610 --> 05:39:17,170
I encourage everyone to read it to understand the depths of the players involved from NATO commanders, politicians, regulators, bankers, to Google's own Tom Liu head of their Frontier AI division.

4211
05:39:17,170 --> 05:39:23,010
Let me end with a few, a few saying our quotes, ultimately saying that you don't care

4212
05:39:23,010 --> 05:39:26,670
about privacy because you have nothing to hide, there's no different from saying you

4213
05:39:26,670 --> 05:39:30,050
don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.

4214
05:39:30,990 --> 05:39:35,210
Another one is the way things are supposed to work is that we're supposed to know virtually

4215
05:39:35,210 --> 05:39:38,490
everything about what they, the government, do.

4216
05:39:38,990 --> 05:39:40,890
That's why they're called public servants.

4217
05:39:41,390 --> 05:39:46,370
We are supposed to know virtually nothing about what, I'm sorry, they're supposed to know

4218
05:39:46,370 --> 05:39:49,790
What we do, that's why we're called private citizens.

4219
05:39:50,490 --> 05:39:52,270
Mr. Pollock, your three minutes are out.

4220
05:39:52,350 --> 05:39:53,330
Have one more sentence.

4221
05:39:55,010 --> 05:39:57,750
It's time to listen to the people right now and take a stand.

4222
05:39:57,910 --> 05:40:00,390
One community at a time for the sake of your progeny.

4223
05:40:00,930 --> 05:40:03,150
Do whatever you have to to stop this insanity now.

4224
05:40:03,250 --> 05:40:06,750
Or I fear the most harrowing quote of JFK will come to pass.

4225
05:40:07,210 --> 05:40:07,770
And it is this.

4226
05:40:08,190 --> 05:40:13,070
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

4227
05:40:14,210 --> 05:40:14,730
Thank you.

4228
05:40:20,590 --> 05:40:22,190
Brian Feyman?

4229
05:40:25,440 --> 05:40:28,840
Brian Feyman here, it's such a field of residence and parents.

4230
05:40:30,260 --> 05:40:32,480
NDAs. Not this way.

4231
05:40:33,600 --> 05:40:34,040
NDA.

4232
05:40:34,560 --> 05:40:38,020
I bet you're tired of hearing those three little letters in recent months.

4233
05:40:38,400 --> 05:40:38,960
Aren't you?

4234
05:40:39,400 --> 05:40:41,820
If not, I can bet you will be.

4235
05:40:42,600 --> 05:40:43,620
What is an NDA?

4236
05:40:44,400 --> 05:40:47,160
And legal parlance stands for non-disclosure agreement.

4237
05:40:47,720 --> 05:40:51,380
More plainly, is an agreement between two or more parties

4238
05:40:51,380 --> 05:40:55,500
who promised to keep information secret for everyone else.

4239
05:40:55,920 --> 05:41:02,340
Here is where the Chesterfield County VLS agreed to keep the truth hidden from us

4240
05:41:02,340 --> 05:41:03,820
with the trillion dollar company.

4241
05:41:04,720 --> 05:41:09,900
Nothing bad ever happened when politicians kept secrets from the government, from the public, right?

4242
05:41:10,400 --> 05:41:13,360
Government transparency is not a red versus a blue issue.

4243
05:41:14,380 --> 05:41:18,420
It is a red white and blue concern, a uniquely American privilege.

4244
05:41:21,900 --> 05:41:29,320
India's between the private and public sector are not universally bad, as noted on the county's new website and generally known.

4245
05:41:29,980 --> 05:41:35,880
But in our case, Chesterfield kept the data centers quiet for potentially years after plans of a solidified.

4246
05:41:36,740 --> 05:41:42,420
They withheld important facts from us and then asked us to make a decision with only half the story.

4247
05:41:43,240 --> 05:41:46,400
The parties are still keeping critical information away from the public.

4248
05:41:47,080 --> 05:41:52,800
Data centers are in no doubt important for our country's economic and intellectual advancement as they

4249
05:41:52,800 --> 05:41:54,700
power the artificial intelligence industry.

4250
05:41:55,360 --> 05:42:00,920
However, at the very least, one of our initial concerns about the data centers has merit.

4251
05:42:01,720 --> 05:42:05,060
Project Pnut sounds small, doesn't it?

4252
05:42:05,860 --> 05:42:07,040
The name is almost a joke.

4253
05:42:07,640 --> 05:42:13,400
According to the website put up today, Project Pnut can use up to 6 million gallons of water a day.

4254
05:42:13,400 --> 05:42:19,520
should the public have had access to that information before Project approval, not after.

4255
05:42:20,480 --> 05:42:25,020
At this stage, we do not know what affects these specific data centers we'll have on current

4256
05:42:25,020 --> 05:42:27,740
Chesterfield residents and the generations ahead.

4257
05:42:28,780 --> 05:42:35,040
As such, I'm asking for a Chesterfield data center more Tory on until, in part, the entire

4258
05:42:35,040 --> 05:42:40,500
data center approval process is audited by a neutral third party, which are all relevant laws

4259
05:42:40,500 --> 05:42:40,960
follow.

4260
05:42:44,920 --> 05:42:50,180
In addition, the county amended its NDA policy with the private sector. NDA should

4261
05:42:50,180 --> 05:42:58,040
be DOA and less carefully crafted with maximum transparency to the public in mind. NDAs. Not this way.

4262
05:43:05,770 --> 05:43:06,890
Justin Goodman.

4263
05:43:10,640 --> 05:43:14,420
Three minutes. I just, you know, this is not normal, but I don't know if you usually

4264
05:43:14,420 --> 05:43:21,280
send people out. You know, I just would like 30 seconds, you know, if what they discussed.

4265
05:43:21,840 --> 05:43:27,180
So it's cool. They did the he and his words. We need to be careful on his words. Six frequencies.

4266
05:43:27,400 --> 05:43:30,220
What are they? I'll stop.

4267
05:43:31,080 --> 05:43:32,320
I really do that.

4268
05:43:32,420 --> 05:43:34,300
Because I can't mention it in the three minutes.

4269
05:43:35,380 --> 05:43:37,920
You're watching these two.

4270
05:43:37,920 --> 05:43:41,240
that is deep on the topic, because it's not going to work for you.

4271
05:43:41,460 --> 05:43:45,420
Yep, thank you for that, and I look forward to seeing what you got to say, I'm going to

4272
05:43:45,420 --> 05:43:46,160
step up to what you want to do.

4273
05:43:46,380 --> 05:43:49,940
For what, my topic, nothing about what the gentleman said.

4274
05:43:51,120 --> 05:43:52,960
No, I'm not going to follow the rules for good.

4275
05:43:53,100 --> 05:43:53,660
Thank you so much.

4276
05:43:53,800 --> 05:43:54,540
You're welcome.

4277
05:43:55,440 --> 05:44:00,060
Justin Goodman, 15, 21, 1, James River Drive over in print stores, but you know, respectfully

4278
05:44:00,060 --> 05:44:06,200
all know who I am, most of the people in your county, do know who I am, you know, transparency

4279
05:44:06,200 --> 05:44:12,240
with the data center so when I went in I walked around to every table because I am a representative

4280
05:44:12,240 --> 05:44:16,200
of these people okay I went up to every table I told him if I was you I turned your badge

4281
05:44:16,200 --> 05:44:21,920
and because every single car here is a lie that is fact. I went to the health card and I took

4282
05:44:21,920 --> 05:44:27,100
a picture of it I said where are your sources and you know they couldn't tell me where their sources

4283
05:44:27,100 --> 05:44:32,680
are stating that the EMF and all this stuff is safe. I said well I have vote load of information

4284
05:44:32,680 --> 05:44:37,200
world leading experts that will testify that this is a fabricated lie.

4285
05:44:38,920 --> 05:44:43,060
So, you know, without a doubt, Google, you know, you guys did it.

4286
05:44:43,200 --> 05:44:46,600
But the whole infrastructure that goes along with it is just devastating.

4287
05:44:47,020 --> 05:44:51,040
So, you're going to shove transmission line infrastructure down everybody's throats.

4288
05:44:51,280 --> 05:44:55,580
When you go to the open houses, by the way, which I did up in Goochland last week,

4289
05:44:56,660 --> 05:44:58,600
you know, I went around and I'm looking and I said,

4290
05:44:58,600 --> 05:45:00,000
Where is your stuff about

4291
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:11,120
What about health and safety? EMF, where is it? And I believe it or not, it was tucked away in another room, this little, this little card, I'm not supposed to have props, but I'm just showing it.

4292
05:45:11,340 --> 05:45:18,980
So this little card tucked away, I said, what about the people that don't have internet that may come and look at this and what all the information that you have?

4293
05:45:19,360 --> 05:45:23,500
The head guys answered to me was, they didn't have enough room for all the posters.

4294
05:45:23,500 --> 05:45:29,740
Okay, now, what's interesting is on the back of their placard, I've actually read all the

4295
05:45:29,740 --> 05:45:33,880
four of the scientific documents and I encourage you to read them. It's all on our website,

4296
05:45:34,120 --> 05:45:38,940
Transmission Line Disclosure Group, you can see it. But the information on here actually says

4297
05:45:38,940 --> 05:45:43,340
that utility companies should use extreme caution when putting people in your transmission line

4298
05:45:43,340 --> 05:45:47,520
corridors. Now let's talk specifics. I'm serious. You guys followed it exactly what Denwitty did.

4299
05:45:48,040 --> 05:45:53,120
So I reported an issue to Denwitty. Denwitty contacts Dominion doesn't tell their people

4300
05:45:53,120 --> 05:45:57,120
that they're contacting, demanding to get a comprehensive analysis, because as you stated

4301
05:45:57,120 --> 05:46:02,820
politely, sir, you get a lot of money and revenue from Rivers City, okay. So I have

4302
05:46:02,820 --> 05:46:08,940
freedom of information, you and RICO, Virginia Beach, and then we have gone all over to the boards

4303
05:46:08,940 --> 05:46:16,180
and informed them, because Gross negligence is next to 8.01-225.1, he just sitting there and I

4304
05:46:16,180 --> 05:46:21,340
am paying attention, which is bad. However, once you are aware, you have to fix it. You can't

4305
05:46:21,340 --> 05:46:24,660
keep sending people to a facility that is shocking them.

4306
05:46:24,740 --> 05:46:29,060
If you've read the report, which you probably didn't read it all entirely, the highest number

4307
05:46:29,060 --> 05:46:30,420
is 500 milligals.

4308
05:46:31,080 --> 05:46:35,700
I actually called, I spoke with the secretary, I said, I have a leading expert who is

4309
05:46:35,700 --> 05:46:39,720
testified before Congress who wants to come in and decipher that for you.

4310
05:46:40,120 --> 05:46:42,220
She's not going to come all the way down here for the three minutes.

4311
05:46:42,680 --> 05:46:43,540
That was rejected.

4312
05:46:43,680 --> 05:46:45,060
Didn't want to reject it or two.

4313
05:46:45,080 --> 05:46:45,900
She's field ours.

4314
05:46:46,060 --> 05:46:46,400
Cadera.

4315
05:46:46,840 --> 05:46:47,000
Okay.

4316
05:46:47,120 --> 05:46:47,980
She's all over Facebook.

4317
05:46:47,980 --> 05:46:53,960
she's testified before Congress, 500 milligalces, the number at your facility, three to four

4318
05:46:53,960 --> 05:46:58,980
is the accepted number to cause cancer. You know, so I'm just really convinced, so you did,

4319
05:46:59,040 --> 05:47:03,540
you didn't tell people. You don't have that report available for people to read online either.

4320
05:47:03,660 --> 05:47:05,220
Mr. Goodman. No, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry.

4321
05:47:05,480 --> 05:47:09,040
Respectfully, you gave other people a few more minutes. I don't want to be discriminated against.

4322
05:47:09,600 --> 05:47:16,260
Thank you, sir. So, you know, what I would recommend you with a

4323
05:47:16,260 --> 05:47:22,900
for field county logo. Before I keep blowing this up and you know everyone knows that you're

4324
05:47:22,900 --> 05:47:27,880
covering it up quite way. You need to inform the citizens that you have a comprehensive analysis

4325
05:47:27,880 --> 05:47:32,840
from dominion of your transmission lines. You really should get a third party expert like you said

4326
05:47:32,840 --> 05:47:40,040
you guys like to do to decipher what those numbers mean because as I have become an expert on

4327
05:47:40,040 --> 05:47:44,080
other people's material, you could have the source come in,

4328
05:47:44,240 --> 05:47:46,400
for your daughter's good daughter, testifying your Congress.

4329
05:47:46,900 --> 05:47:48,340
All right. Well, I appreciate you.

4330
05:47:48,940 --> 05:47:53,760
And I, you know, I truly get your compassion, and you and I've talked

4331
05:47:53,760 --> 05:47:56,020
on the phone, and thank you for coming out this evening.

4332
05:47:56,180 --> 05:47:56,740
It means a lot.

4333
05:47:57,380 --> 05:47:58,080
I don't think you.

4334
05:48:00,380 --> 05:48:01,220
Amy Beth Molin?

4335
05:48:06,060 --> 05:48:06,640
Hi, guys.

4336
05:48:07,720 --> 05:48:09,660
I'm Amy Beth Molin, I live off a feature.

4337
05:48:10,900 --> 05:48:13,640
And, of course, the first thing out of my mouth is going to

4338
05:48:13,640 --> 05:48:20,420
be about the NDAs. I really feel betrayed by all of you. I really do. These properties,

4339
05:48:20,920 --> 05:48:26,520
peanut, lock, sky, three school districts affected. Let's talk about that for a minute. Within

4340
05:48:26,520 --> 05:48:31,000
one to three miles of that, what can it do to the child's learning cognitive impairment,

4341
05:48:31,540 --> 05:48:36,920
performance, concentration deficits, language issues, and increased anxiety. Let's talk about

4342
05:48:36,920 --> 05:48:42,260
what that does to people who are EMF sensitive. Shall we? We can't lie because those studies aren't

4343
05:48:42,260 --> 05:48:51,720
being done, most of the studies that are being done are basically directly with the existing

4344
05:48:51,720 --> 05:48:58,100
footprints. They all face their physical, the building of the project, and the economic

4345
05:48:58,100 --> 05:49:02,940
footprints of these facilities, they're behind. What you're not following is what are

4346
05:49:02,940 --> 05:49:09,320
you doing all together? Next, extra, right? Or next era, dominion power, and Google. Google

4347
05:49:09,320 --> 05:49:14,500
just sent sign 25 years with next era, right?

4348
05:49:15,360 --> 05:49:19,840
And they just quietly took off their green by 232.

4349
05:49:20,020 --> 05:49:20,040
Why?

4350
05:49:20,080 --> 05:49:21,800
Because now they call it moonshaw.

4351
05:49:22,360 --> 05:49:24,560
Because they can't maintain it because of what they use.

4352
05:49:24,880 --> 05:49:27,860
Let's talk about, I've got so much information.

4353
05:49:28,360 --> 05:49:30,060
But let's talk about butter-touric county.

4354
05:49:30,100 --> 05:49:32,080
Let's talk about dollars county, all right?

4355
05:49:32,580 --> 05:49:35,100
They took them to court, were in court for 13 months.

4356
05:49:35,260 --> 05:49:36,100
Did they sue Google?

4357
05:49:36,340 --> 05:49:36,840
No, they sold.

4358
05:49:37,120 --> 05:49:38,340
They sued the water authority.

4359
05:49:38,340 --> 05:49:42,520
because they refused to release claiming it was proprietary.

4360
05:49:43,380 --> 05:49:48,780
Well, you've heard all of this talk before tonight about NDAs.

4361
05:49:48,920 --> 05:49:53,480
But what you're not hearing and what you're not seeing is that we're together.

4362
05:49:54,500 --> 05:50:00,040
I know that these people don't believe they don't believe in the same political police I have.

4363
05:50:00,360 --> 05:50:00,660
They don't.

4364
05:50:00,960 --> 05:50:03,740
What they do believe in is our community, okay?

4365
05:50:04,080 --> 05:50:04,920
And I do too.

4366
05:50:05,160 --> 05:50:06,800
I've been here at the better part of my life.

4367
05:50:08,520 --> 05:50:13,140
I'm not an eloquent speaker as obvious, but I'm here.

4368
05:50:14,060 --> 05:50:16,800
I stayed, and I waited, and I'm uncomfortable.

4369
05:50:17,060 --> 05:50:17,680
I'm still uncomfortable.

4370
05:50:18,420 --> 05:50:20,340
I feel like you all talked, I talked to sit at home.

4371
05:50:20,380 --> 05:50:21,260
That's what I feel like.

4372
05:50:21,540 --> 05:50:24,680
I feel like these agencies just like their other,

4373
05:50:24,680 --> 05:50:27,380
if you look at Google's history, where they picked.

4374
05:50:27,900 --> 05:50:28,460
Mountain View.

4375
05:50:28,700 --> 05:50:32,080
It was on top of a super conductor dump site.

4376
05:50:32,080 --> 05:50:38,300
And years later, they had to put a vapor barrier up there to protect their own employees

4377
05:50:38,800 --> 05:50:40,300
because they built on it.

4378
05:50:40,520 --> 05:50:43,560
Or something like the water use and vote it out, and they had to take them to court.

4379
05:50:43,740 --> 05:50:47,640
Let's talk about the water use and dollars, where it took 13 months to get the fact that

4380
05:50:47,640 --> 05:50:50,760
they were using 25% of their cities' water.

4381
05:50:51,400 --> 05:50:56,280
They lie about everything they do, all right, I'm tired of it, I'm tired of being lied to.

4382
05:50:56,520 --> 05:51:01,920
We trust you, you are our community, you are our leaders, we have to look to you, I respect

4383
05:51:01,920 --> 05:51:08,740
Thank you for your certain officers, but this flocked on since with the AI, that's not cool at all.

4384
05:51:08,860 --> 05:51:12,420
And what's really not cool is, are you aware of the course you are?

4385
05:51:12,960 --> 05:51:17,960
Are you aware of the, I have six seconds, are you aware of the poverty rate?

4386
05:51:18,080 --> 05:51:21,160
One in nine children, one in seven children, going hungry and trying to feel county.

4387
05:51:21,460 --> 05:51:24,840
Are you aware that that's 26,400 people?

4388
05:51:25,040 --> 05:51:28,660
Are you aware that there is 9.1 going hungry?

4389
05:51:28,660 --> 05:51:36,220
day or food in stable. So for you to do this with Google, it really takes my nerve. I don't

4390
05:51:36,220 --> 05:51:41,600
you know when you're three minutes around, I feel. I'm that upset and it makes me to upset.

4391
05:51:42,200 --> 05:51:47,900
But if you want information, it's not hard to find. Thank you. You're a far better speaker than you

4392
05:51:47,900 --> 05:51:52,360
give yourself credit for. I'm sorry. You're a far better speaker than you give yourself credit for.

4393
05:51:52,360 --> 05:51:53,920
Thank you.

4394
05:52:01,780 --> 05:52:03,000
Mike Carabinus?

4395
05:52:08,620 --> 05:52:11,020
I have about a quarter century experience and IT infrastructure.

4396
05:52:11,640 --> 05:52:15,460
I have managed and expected to even help design data centers.

4397
05:52:16,120 --> 05:52:20,300
I like to talk numbers and since Google wouldn't give me the numbers I wanted to talk about,

4398
05:52:20,780 --> 05:52:21,860
I can read a site plan.

4399
05:52:22,040 --> 05:52:26,160
I can read the information that is public and pretty much do the math myself.

4400
05:52:27,680 --> 05:52:31,460
The average power draw of all chest field counties around 450 megawatts.

4401
05:52:31,460 --> 05:52:34,300
That's every light, every business, every house.

4402
05:52:34,880 --> 05:52:38,460
These light bulbs, that screen, 450 megawatts.

4403
05:52:40,080 --> 05:52:43,120
The combined draw of the three proposed Google data centers

4404
05:52:43,120 --> 05:52:46,900
could be as much as 1.9 gigawatts.

4405
05:52:47,560 --> 05:52:49,600
That's more than enough to send Marty back to 1985.

4406
05:52:50,900 --> 05:52:55,020
That is about four times what the power draw of the county

4407
05:52:55,020 --> 05:52:55,900
is on average.

4408
05:52:57,880 --> 05:52:59,820
That means that the proposed data centers

4409
05:52:59,820 --> 05:53:11,880
Are going to put such a draw on our system that the Dominion is going to tell you that they must build more fossil fuel plants to meet the capacity and that the CERC is unavoidable.

4410
05:53:12,720 --> 05:53:24,320
Dominion will raise your rates when they build the CERC because the 944 megawatts that CERC will still not meet that demand, nor will the 200 megawatts from the Fusion project.

4411
05:53:25,840 --> 05:53:35,720
In 2026 alone, over 100,000 United States jobs layoffs were attributed to AI, either through

4412
05:53:35,720 --> 05:53:41,240
job replacement or through to free up funds to invest in AI.

4413
05:53:42,620 --> 05:53:50,880
AI builders are on track to spend $750 billion this year, and AI-related projects,

4414
05:53:54,300 --> 05:53:54,300
including

4415
05:53:54,300 --> 05:54:00,780
From those products, they have so far raped in only 20 billion in revenue.

4416
05:54:01,960 --> 05:54:09,220
A lot of economic experts say that there is not enough revenue in the market to ever make up

4417
05:54:09,220 --> 05:54:12,480
for the investment that these companies have already put in.

4418
05:54:13,100 --> 05:54:15,000
That is the definition of a bubble.

4419
05:54:16,360 --> 05:54:20,480
That means the industry is trapped in a thermo loop, fear of missing out loop.

4420
05:54:21,140 --> 05:54:22,720
First, want to put you away from the table loses.

4421
05:54:23,520 --> 05:54:28,120
And that will grow this bubble until something pops it.

4422
05:54:29,260 --> 05:54:36,400
The longer we wait, and the more money that gets put into these bills, the more it's going

4423
05:54:36,400 --> 05:54:38,560
to hurt when that pop happens.

4424
05:54:40,720 --> 05:54:42,560
It's going to be worse than 2008.

4425
05:54:42,660 --> 05:54:45,780
It's already going to be worse than the 2008 economic collapse.

4426
05:54:47,820 --> 05:54:53,280
We have an ethical responsibility to halt new data construction sooner rather than later

4427
05:54:53,280 --> 05:54:57,080
and help pop that bubble now before it gets any bigger.

4428
05:54:59,120 --> 05:55:01,460
Now, maybe there's no legal way to stop Google.

4429
05:55:02,340 --> 05:55:06,120
Maybe the deal has been done in NDA years ago,

4430
05:55:06,500 --> 05:55:10,140
but we need a county and a statewide moratorium

4431
05:55:10,140 --> 05:55:11,860
on data center construction.

4432
05:55:12,540 --> 05:55:14,560
Mr. Carby, Mr. Three, Mr. Murat.

4433
05:55:14,920 --> 05:55:17,200
Or we have the infrastructure to support.

4434
05:55:17,900 --> 05:55:19,880
And this empty room is why you do not separate

4435
05:55:19,880 --> 05:55:21,740
your public comment periods into two seconds.

4436
05:55:29,610 --> 05:55:37,310
All right, Mr. Chair, we're returning back to case 26SN-205-8 Old Gun Communications Tower.

4437
05:55:43,940 --> 05:55:50,120
And Mr. Chair, the applicant has contacted great. They're obviously have some language here.

4438
05:55:50,960 --> 05:55:50,960
Okay.

4439
05:55:54,410 --> 05:55:59,330
Good evening. I've discussed with the applicant. Towers, I'll see. They're agreeable to the following language.

4440
05:55:59,330 --> 05:56:07,330
All carriers on the tower shall annually submit to the Planning Department Information Demonstrating Compliance with FCC Regulations.

4441
05:56:08,310 --> 05:56:09,570
Cover with that.

4442
05:56:10,670 --> 05:56:13,550
All right, so I'm going to go ahead and make that motion to approve.

4443
05:56:14,050 --> 05:56:17,730
Case number two success in 2058.

4444
05:56:18,810 --> 05:56:23,070
Such are the conditions in the separate port and the amendments that we made just now.

4445
05:56:24,050 --> 05:56:25,330
Can I get a position?

4446
05:56:26,390 --> 05:56:28,390
Opposing that condition, that was just red.

4447
05:56:28,390 --> 05:56:33,850
Right. Thank you. In post condition. Second. Here is second. All of favor say aye.

4448
05:56:34,050 --> 05:56:38,970
I don't know anyone opposed. All right. Let's move on. Thank you for that.

4449
05:56:42,500 --> 05:56:47,540
Madam Clerk. Item 19 public hearings. A to consider an ordinance to amend the county code by

4450
05:56:47,540 --> 05:57:00,840
enacting Article 23 sections 9-302 through 9-308 relative to the creation of

4451
05:57:04,200 --> 05:57:04,220
the

4452
05:57:04,220 --> 05:57:08,200
final step in what's been a three-month process to create the

4453
05:57:08,200 --> 05:57:14,480
salmial station CDA. You held a public hearing last month to comment on the

4454
05:57:14,480 --> 05:57:19,080
district itself, and so we would come back this month with the creation of the

4455
05:57:19,080 --> 05:57:23,580
the actual ordinance, including the Archives and Corporation. All those materials have

4456
05:57:24,100 --> 05:57:28,720
been completed, posted online, and I'm happy to take any questions or refresh your

4457
05:57:28,720 --> 05:57:31,400
memory about the district itself if you want to.

4458
05:57:31,400 --> 05:57:32,560
for

4459
05:57:35,250 --> 05:57:37,090
members or any questions or stuff.

4460
05:57:38,690 --> 05:57:40,410
I have one question, Mr. Enrico.

4461
05:57:42,110 --> 05:57:45,770
We heard some citizens speak earlier today.

4462
05:57:46,290 --> 05:57:48,630
Do we get that result?

4463
05:57:51,270 --> 05:57:53,690
I don't know. I can find out the answer.

4464
05:57:54,110 --> 05:57:58,890
One related related to the actual, the CDI portion.

4465
05:57:59,090 --> 05:58:00,930
I think that's more...

4466
05:58:00,930 --> 05:58:01,410
Insolent.

4467
05:58:01,830 --> 05:58:09,590
So, the other person that we talked with was not related to CDN, it's the underlying case,

4468
05:58:09,770 --> 05:58:14,770
but this is the creation of the actual CDN top of it to finance the infrastructure

4469
05:58:14,770 --> 05:58:15,330
improvement.

4470
05:58:15,770 --> 05:58:19,330
It's unrelated to his concern that he raised you this afternoon.

4471
05:58:19,590 --> 05:58:19,630
Yeah.

4472
05:58:19,810 --> 05:58:24,710
The fact that it was different is what allowed him to actually address the board because it wasn't

4473
05:58:24,710 --> 05:58:25,070
on our.

4474
05:58:25,070 --> 05:58:26,890
Because it was not on this issue at all.

4475
05:58:27,170 --> 05:58:27,450
Okay.

4476
05:58:28,050 --> 05:58:28,450
Thank you.

4477
05:58:28,610 --> 05:58:29,350
That's right.

4478
05:58:30,630 --> 05:58:32,810
All right. Any other questions from the stars?

4479
05:58:35,280 --> 05:58:51,780
All right. Everyone, this is a public hearing to consider an ordinance to amend county code by enacting Article 23 Section 9-302 through 9-308 relative to the creation of the Somal Station Community Development Authority.

4480
05:58:51,980 --> 05:58:56,680
There's any one who would like to speak to this case of so-come forward and see for me.

4481
05:58:59,690 --> 05:59:04,250
Seeing no one I'm going to go ahead and close this hearing. It's back before the board. Is there any discussion?

4482
05:59:07,850 --> 05:59:10,190
All right, I'm going to go ahead and ask for a motion.

4483
05:59:10,790 --> 05:59:12,170
Mr. Chair, I like motion to approve.

4484
05:59:12,570 --> 05:59:13,650
All right, and can I get a second?

4485
05:59:13,810 --> 05:59:14,150
Second.

4486
05:59:14,690 --> 05:59:15,970
All right, all in favor say aye.

4487
05:59:16,970 --> 05:59:17,370
Both?

4488
05:59:18,390 --> 05:59:18,810
Madam Clerk.

4489
05:59:19,130 --> 05:59:24,030
Be to consider approval of a lease renewal for the United States General Services Administration

4490
05:59:24,030 --> 05:59:25,990
at the Chesterfield County Airport.

4491
05:59:26,130 --> 05:59:26,810
Mr. Neil.

4492
05:59:31,940 --> 05:59:32,900
Good evening, Mr. Chair.

4493
05:59:33,020 --> 05:59:33,760
Members of the board.

4494
05:59:34,100 --> 05:59:34,880
Mr. Harris.

4495
05:59:35,640 --> 05:59:37,900
This is to consider approval of a lease for normal

4496
05:59:37,900 --> 05:59:41,200
for the United States General Services Administration at Chesterfield County Airport.

4497
05:59:41,200 --> 05:59:49,240
And since 2007, we've been leasing 3,000 foreign 20 square feet of hangar space to the organization.

4498
05:59:50,240 --> 05:59:55,620
The new rent, the new lease rate will be 26,000, 229 dollars in 18 cents annually,

4499
05:59:56,300 --> 05:59:59,960
and will increase in subsequent years pursuant to the consumer price index.

4500
06:00:01,500 --> 06:00:10,040
This is a public hearing, consider an extension of the current lease to November 19, 2021, glad to ask any questions from the half.

4501
06:00:10,720 --> 06:00:17,980
We're members, there are any questions for staff for this year. Seeing none, everyone, this is a public hearing to consider approval of a lease renewal.

4502
06:00:18,460 --> 06:00:21,840
For the United States General Services Administration at the Chesapeake County Airport,

4503
06:00:21,840 --> 06:00:26,680
Sir, anyone who would like to speak to this issue, so please come forward and state your name.

4504
06:00:29,360 --> 06:00:32,660
Seeing no one I want to go ahead and close this public hearing, it's back before the board.

4505
06:00:32,880 --> 06:00:33,640
Is there any discussion?

4506
06:00:34,320 --> 06:00:35,300
Motion to approve.

4507
06:00:35,740 --> 06:00:36,620
I hear a motion to approve.

4508
06:00:36,620 --> 06:00:37,380
Can I get a second?

4509
06:00:37,560 --> 06:00:39,040
I got that all in favor say aye.

4510
06:00:39,620 --> 06:00:39,640
Aye.

4511
06:00:39,640 --> 06:00:40,200
All opposed.

4512
06:00:40,920 --> 06:00:42,100
If you're all opposed.

4513
06:00:43,200 --> 06:00:44,140
Madam Clerk and clear.

4514
06:00:44,640 --> 06:00:46,000
I was in the approval.

4515
06:00:48,340 --> 06:00:48,720
All right.

4516
06:00:50,300 --> 06:00:50,740
Madam Clerk.

4517
06:00:50,980 --> 06:00:53,460
Item 21 closing announcements, Mr. Chair.

4518
06:00:53,460 --> 06:00:58,860
Thank you so much, Madam Clerk. I just want to open up to my board as anything that anyone would like to speak to.

4519
06:01:01,310 --> 06:01:04,750
I want to appreciate my board. I would appreciate everyone that came out to speak this evening.

4520
06:01:06,690 --> 06:01:10,610
It is a public process, and I deeply appreciate that.

4521
06:01:11,370 --> 06:01:14,990
That's how it's done, and I'm grateful to be part of this process.

4522
06:01:15,910 --> 06:01:16,870
With that, Madam Clerk.

4523
06:01:19,130 --> 06:01:24,550
Mr. Chair, we need a motion to adjourn to a joint meeting with the Camp Baker Management Board on July 30,

4524
06:01:24,550 --> 06:01:33,730
at 330 PM, at sore 360 at Camp Baker, 7600B, to then adjourn to the County Administrators

4525
06:01:33,730 --> 06:01:39,690
swearing in ceremony on August 24 at 9am at the historic 1917 courthouse,

4526
06:01:40,430 --> 06:01:46,510
110011 iron bridge road, to then adjourn to your regularly scheduled meeting on August 26,

4527
06:01:46,630 --> 06:01:50,090
that 2 PM and room 502 of the County Administration Building.

4528
06:01:53,350 --> 06:01:54,530
Thank you, Madam Clerk,

4529
06:01:54,530 --> 06:01:56,790
All in favor? Bye. We are adjourned.