[0:03] Commissioner Billingsley
[0:04] » Here.
[0:05] » Commissioner Bone
[0:06] » Here.
[0:06] » Commissioner Childris
[0:07] » Here.
[0:08] » Commissioner Hall.
[0:09] » Commissioner Hedley
[0:10] » Here.
[0:11] » Commissioner Perkins
[0:12] » Here.
[0:12] » Commissioner Williams
[0:13] » Here. And six of our seven are here. So
[0:16] we do have a quorum at this time. I'll
[0:17] call on Commissioner Perkins.
[0:19] » Commissioner Hall was trying to say
[0:20] here.
[0:21] » Commissioner Hall is now here.
[0:23] » And we have a unanimous
[0:26] commission.
[0:37] All right, let us pray. Heavenly Father,
[0:39] thank you for this day and all the
[0:40] blessings that you have given us. We
[0:42] just come to you tonight and just ask
[0:44] that your uh wisdom be placed upon us as
[0:46] we do the business of the county. We ask
[0:48] for your blessings upon all the citizens
[0:50] and everybody that is related to them.
[0:53] Heavenly Father, just watch over us,
[0:55] guide us, lead us, and protect us in
[0:57] Jesus name. Amen.
[1:01] » Attention. Salute.
[1:04] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[1:07] United States of America and to the
[1:10] republic for which it stands. One nation
[1:13] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:16] justice for all.
[1:29] Okay, we have all members are present
[1:32] now. If I can have a motion to approve
[1:36] the agenda.
[1:37] » Make a motion we approve the agenda.
[1:39] » Second.
[1:40] » Commissioner Bone. Second. Commissioner
[1:42] Perkins. Are there any additions or
[1:44] deletions?
[1:47] Okay. under me, please take off bullet
[1:49] point number one as we've already
[1:52] basically resolved that.
[1:55] Uh, and also under me, uh, please put
[1:59] 911.
[2:02] I mean 911, not 911, that's 911.
[2:07] And also at the end I'll be asking for
[2:10] an executive session and there will be
[2:13] no business to be taken after that. So
[2:18] all in favor of approving the agenda as
[2:21] amended raise your hand.
[2:24] Any opposed? And it passed unanimously.
[2:28] We come now to public comments.
[2:32] First we have Mr.
[2:35] Scott Roberts,
[2:38] Canyon Road 43.
[2:42] If you'll come to the podium, Mr.
[2:44] Roberts.
[2:55] First off, I appreciate you all. Let me
[2:57] address the commission this evening.
[3:00] Uh, County Road 43. We've been dealing
[3:02] with this for since October of last
[3:05] year.
[3:07] It doesn't seem to get any better.
[3:10] I was hoping our engineer would be here
[3:12] this evening to tell us what the plan
[3:14] is.
[3:17] The uh ditches are horrible. I saw you
[3:20] all pictures for the weekend.
[3:22] And that's not just my property. That's
[3:24] my neighbor's property on both sides of
[3:27] the road.
[3:29] They were doing really good. They came
[3:31] in, they dressed the sides,
[3:33] and I was ready for them to put uh seed
[3:36] and straw down or I was going to do it
[3:38] myself and then they come and put
[3:41] another base coat of gravel down and
[3:44] then just broomed it into our yards.
[3:48] Now, today when I was coming home, we
[3:51] had a little rain shower. I notic we've
[3:54] already got ruts
[3:56] and it's holding water. The road's not
[3:59] crowned. I got to look at that pretty
[4:01] good.
[4:03] And that's going to be a that's going to
[4:04] be a safety issue for us all because now
[4:08] that the road is somewhat smooth, people
[4:11] are driving
[4:14] fast.
[4:17] So, you know, I'm afraid of somebody
[4:19] piran
[4:22] and
[4:24] I don't know. I just I just think as a
[4:26] county we need to do better.
[4:28] This is the first time in my adult life
[4:30] that I've been embarrassed about my
[4:32] yard.
[4:35] And again, I appreciate you guys all for
[4:38] listening to me.
[4:40] I'd love to have some resolution. I
[4:42] don't expect anything tonight,
[4:45] but I would appreciate some followup if
[4:47] possible.
[4:48] » Well, I appreciate you coming and
[4:50] bringing it to us. I did not know the
[4:51] engineer wasn't going to be here
[4:53] tonight, but we ask him.
[4:54] » He's just going to be a little late. He
[4:55] sent me a message, said he'd be a few
[4:57] minutes late. He'll be here.
[4:59] » Okay. All right. We can ask him. We can
[5:01] ask him when he gets there. Anybody?
[5:03] » I got a question.
[5:05] » When you say holding water, the road
[5:06] itself is holding water or the bar
[5:08] ditch?
[5:10] » The ditch. Road or the ditch?
[5:12] » The road.
[5:13] » Okay.
[5:14] » The road is already starting to show
[5:16] signs of wear. Uh grooves in the road.
[5:20] And there's there there is water
[5:23] standing in the road. There's no crown
[5:26] at all.
[5:29] » Mr. Scott, is that right?
[5:31] » Yes, sir.
[5:31] » Uh what portion of the road are you
[5:34] talking about?
[5:35] » Between 29 and 50.
[5:38] » Okay.
[5:40] And and what portion of that section are
[5:42] you talking about? All of it. between 29
[5:45] and my home,
[5:47] » Which I'm I'm If you're familiar with
[5:48] that road,
[5:50] » I'm the third house on the left.
[5:52] » Okay.
[5:52] » Back up off the hill.
[5:54] » So, the the close to next to the
[5:58] Littleton place.
[6:04] » I'm not
[6:06] » I know where the Robert's place is. I
[6:08] don't know where it
[6:10] » Yeah, never mind.
[6:12] » But,
[6:12] » Okay. Thank you. that that those are my
[6:14] travels to and from work and that's what
[6:17] I notice. I very rarely go the other
[6:20] way.
[6:21] » Okay. Thank you.
[6:22] » All right. Thank you, sir.
[6:23] » Any other questions for me, sir? Guys,
[6:25] » No thank him to give us an update when
[6:27] he gets here.
[6:28] » Thank you all for your time.
[6:29] » Thank you.
[6:32] All right.
[6:33] Next, we have Bud Enzer, County Road
[6:41] » 30.
[6:47] I don't know if y'all want.
[6:51] » Sure.
[6:56] » Just hand them all to me. I'll throw
[6:57] them down here.
[7:01] » Thank you.
[7:16] Thank you.
[7:31] All right. I am Malcolm Enzer. Everybody
[7:35] knows me in around here by Bud.
[7:39] Uh lived here for 31 plus years now.
[7:44] Been hoping to get a road repaired all
[7:48] these years. And now if you'll read, you
[7:50] can read for yourself most of it. But
[7:52] the biggest issue I have is
[7:56] the uh scrub board or whatever you want
[7:59] to call it. County Road 30 from 37 to
[8:03] 16. It's not all of it, but it's at
[8:07] least probably the first half a mile
[8:12] is that way.
[8:14] Now, we've been I didn't figure we'd
[8:15] ever gentlemen speaking of the way the
[8:18] edge of the roads. Well, there's
[8:21] already washes all up and down 30 on our
[8:24] section
[8:26] and I've addressed that with Heath one
[8:29] time and it's,
[8:32] you know, as far as getting something to
[8:33] grow there. It'll just God will have to
[8:35] take care of it, I guess,
[8:38] because I I don't look forward.
[8:41] I kind of looked there wouldn't be any
[8:43] kind of because I'd rode 43 up here from
[8:46] one end to the other and the only place
[8:49] been fixed is where Alan Payton went up
[8:51] there and decided he'd fix around his
[8:53] stuff with his people and his equipment.
[8:57] But that's and we was talking about
[9:00] water standing.
[9:02] Like I come in today, it rained down
[9:04] there and there's water puddles all up
[9:06] and down 30 from 37 to to my driveway
[9:11] which is County Road 884.
[9:15] And I asked Heath, I said, "How's how
[9:18] does potholes
[9:20] how are they created?"
[9:22] I said, "Is it cause of standing water
[9:24] in a road?" and he pretty much told me
[9:27] that's how that end up happening.
[9:31] So
[9:33] my my question is
[9:36] why can we not have an asphalt put on
[9:40] top of what's there to straighten it up?
[9:44] I mean it seems it's got a pretty decent
[9:47] it's got plenty of base now I think.
[9:51] So, all I'm asking is consideration to
[9:55] fix the road so that us that drives
[9:58] vehicles that we
[10:00] pay good money for
[10:03] and buy them because we want them to
[10:05] last. I usually drive mine till the
[10:08] wheels fall off of them. But the ones I
[10:10] got now are pretty new vehicles.
[10:13] And since I've been having the bottom
[10:14] sides of my cars really need to be
[10:16] turned up, they need cars need to be
[10:18] turned up down and pressure washed or
[10:20] steam cleaned because all the mud is
[10:22] still up under them. Cuz we had to live
[10:24] with what I look like a logging road for
[10:27] several months down there.
[10:31] My neighbor next door to me on County
[10:34] Road 30 got stuck within probably 50 to
[10:36] 100 foot from her her own driveway.
[10:42] uh
[10:44] in the road was part of the stuff that
[10:46] we put up with just like I approached
[10:49] Keith about this culbert that needed to
[10:51] be replaced
[10:53] and they
[10:55] built the road and then come back and
[10:58] dug the culbert out
[11:01] and I addressed that culbert didn't even
[11:03] have a roof in it no longer cuz it that
[11:05] old galvanized cut it done rotted out.
[11:07] had been there as long as I've been
[11:09] there. And that's 31 30 30 plus years at
[11:12] the time they started going on. I mean,
[11:15] it was just about a foot and a half of
[11:17] dirt on top of it. How in the world it
[11:19] ain't fell in? I don't know. It's about
[11:21] a sixoot culbert that was put in
[11:24] when that county road was straightened
[11:26] out some.
[11:29] And uh Osc my understanding Oscar Mims
[11:32] owned that place and he had running
[11:34] cattle on piece both pieces of property
[11:36] on both sides of 30 our 80 acres that we
[11:39] bought on that side on
[11:43] which would be the west side of 30.
[11:46] He had to allow them to straighten the
[11:48] road out. They put him a cattle crossing
[11:51] so he he did his cows could come from
[11:53] one side of the the highway to the
[11:55] other.
[11:58] But there's nobody doing that anymore.
[12:00] So, they really want no reason to have a
[12:02] 6- foot tall cupboard in there anymore.
[12:07] But this pretty self-explanatory what I
[12:09] my feelings are about what's going on
[12:11] out there. And all I'm asking for is to
[12:15] at least give us the opportunity to have
[12:17] a road just like 43, like to have a
[12:19] decent riding road that you're not
[12:22] embarrassed for people to come see. I
[12:24] was embarrassed for people to come see
[12:26] me before. Now I'm embarrassed that
[12:28] people
[12:30] don't want to come back if they come see
[12:31] me again because they ain't gonna like
[12:33] how the ride is to get to where I live.
[12:38] My driveway smoother than this county
[12:40] road and I maintain it with a tractor
[12:42] and a blade and it ain't nothing but
[12:45] gravel.
[12:46] I honestly have even told Heath
[12:48] personally when we were talking that I
[12:51] almost felt like I wished he had left
[12:52] the road alone. At least I knew how to
[12:54] ride on it because I'd done patterned
[12:56] how to drive on it where I wouldn't be
[12:58] driving in potholes.
[13:01] So now I it's just a scrub board for the
[13:05] probably at least
[13:07] a good full quarter mile and up to a
[13:11] half a mile.
[13:13] And why I'm saying this because I I know
[13:17] County Road 633 up here I he had a
[13:22] little discussion about this when I
[13:24] called him out about that road. It's
[13:26] been asphalted
[13:29] from city li at the time city limits
[13:32] over to
[13:34] whatever the I don't even know what that
[13:36] other road is that it dead ends on the
[13:39] east side towards 65 six
[13:44] 633.
[13:46] There's three subdivision up there.
[13:48] One's in the city limits. I think it's
[13:50] called a crest.
[13:52] And then there's one that's
[13:56] Ballon. Oh, the other one's
[13:59] » Low max.
[14:01] » 13.
[14:01] » Yeah, low max.
[14:03] » I wrote it today and measured it. The
[14:06] first 4/10en of a mile is in this county
[14:09] and the county has now moved their city
[14:11] limits out to take in this balantry
[14:15] balon
[14:15] » Balon way.
[14:17] » They've take they've moved their they've
[14:19] annexed
[14:21] they've moved their sign. So now it's
[14:23] only five 510 of the mile
[14:27] is city now
[14:29] and 410 is county. So, you're asking us
[14:34] for update on 30 and why it can't be
[14:38] asphalted.
[14:39] » That's if you can asphalt one, why can't
[14:42] you asphalt another? You did County Road
[14:44] 16 down there. I know y'all had y'all
[14:46] went in there and chip sealed it and
[14:49] y'all done 16's been done three times
[14:52] since I've lived in Chilton County and
[14:54] just recently been done again and it's
[14:57] chip sealed and then turn right around
[14:59] put asphalt on top of it.
[15:03] » All right. All right, Heath, you want to
[15:06] give us the update on 30 where we are
[15:08] with 30?
[15:12] primarily the section between 37 and 16.
[15:15] That's what he's been asking about.
[15:17] » Indeed.
[15:20] » All right. Thank you, commission. Um the
[15:21] section between 37 and 16 is the first
[15:24] section of 30 that we started last fall
[15:28] uh October and I think it ran went to
[15:30] November. Um it was the last road that
[15:33] we did last year. Um and uh we knew
[15:36] we're getting up close to cold and rainy
[15:39] weather so we tried to fit it in. I
[15:41] think it's um 1.8 miles or something
[15:44] like that, this section. And we got it
[15:47] good and based and uh as we were getting
[15:50] ready to chip seal it, we did put down
[15:51] the first layer and the the temperature
[15:54] got cool on us. Um
[15:56] um
[15:59] had a little bit of uh peeling, a little
[16:01] bit of peeling. Um
[16:05] which is what happens when it gets too
[16:07] cold um or too cool. ideally not in the
[16:10] ideal temperature. And uh so with the
[16:13] one layer on with some peeling, we went
[16:15] ahead and uh obviously it was going to
[16:16] continue to get worse and worse with the
[16:18] winter. So we put the second layer on
[16:20] and the second layer was solid. Um
[16:22] however, you could feel some of the
[16:24] ripples from the peeling.
[16:27] And u um
[16:30] we u we added a third layer this summer.
[16:35] And uh with chip seals, the uh layers
[16:38] really don't do a good job, but they
[16:40] don't really level. The road is is in
[16:42] good what we consider good solid
[16:44] condition. It has good liquid asphalt to
[16:46] it. It's got good rock. It's solid, not
[16:48] potholes, but there are some small some
[16:52] indentions um
[16:56] » From the from the peeling. And um so uh
[17:01] uh I think Commissioner Billings Lee
[17:03] mentioned this at the last commission
[17:04] meeting. Um some people say you can
[17:06] drive 75 miles an hour over it. Some
[17:09] people say you can't drive 25. It's all
[17:11] really what you can accommodate. The
[17:13] road is solid. We uh we hate that the
[17:16] again we tried to fit as many roads as
[17:18] we could last year and uh the weather
[17:21] just turned cold and wet on us uh a
[17:23] little bit earlier than we expected. And
[17:26] so, um, uh, we think that the road will
[17:28] last 20 plus years or longer
[17:32] as is. Um, but it doesn't, it's not
[17:34] quite as smooth as the roads that we did
[17:36] this summer. Um,
[17:39] um,
[17:42] and so, uh, I've talked to several
[17:45] commissioners and and, you know, I'm
[17:47] open to the guidance. The, uh, the road
[17:51] solid would be good. Um, Mr. Enzer is
[17:54] correct. Um, obviously coming over it
[17:56] with some plant mix, inch and a half.
[17:58] We'll level it up, smooth it up, but
[18:00] that's very expensive. That's usually
[18:01] something we try to avoid on these low
[18:03] volume roads. Um,
[18:06] um, and uh, we could leave it alone.
[18:09] It'll last 20 plus years, no problem. Or
[18:11] we could even mill up the the worst
[18:13] section he talked about, the quarter
[18:14] mile nearest um, county road
[18:19] uh, 16.
[18:21] Um,
[18:23] » I'm sorry, 37. Yeah, 37. And we could uh
[18:26] redo that quarter mile. Um,
[18:29] and we would probably need to, if we did
[18:31] that, we would, whatever we do, if we do
[18:33] something, we would need to do it next
[18:34] summer. We we we are uh kind of booked
[18:37] up for this this summer. Uh, of course,
[18:40] November is not too far away. And, uh,
[18:43] so that's kind of where we're at.
[18:46] You got the place I found the rub board,
[18:50] washboard area was closer to his
[18:54] driveway near that cattle cover.
[18:59] Did And that was after the second coat.
[19:01] I had been back over since y'all put the
[19:03] third. Did it get the wash board out?
[19:06] » That is out. It's good right there.
[19:09] » Okay.
[19:10] » Back up towards 37. has got an issue
[19:14] and it's but there's water standing now
[19:17] y'all are really I'm going to give you
[19:19] commend you people out there on the
[19:21] county boy they put finally put
[19:24] something down on it but we deal with
[19:26] mud from that cover where they pack
[19:29] nothing but clay look like in there to
[19:32] change the cover out after they done
[19:35] built the road they come in there and to
[19:36] that road back out which I spelled it
[19:38] out in that wrote
[19:42] But the but the
[19:45] people running that truck goes out and
[19:47] fixes the pothole fix
[19:53] » What y'all call overachiever. I didn't
[19:55] think you fix the pothole
[19:58] gravel.
[20:00] » So just just to explain what what Mr.
[20:02] Enzer is talking about. Um there was a
[20:05] large 6ft diameter metal corrugated pipe
[20:08] cover that was probably being used as a
[20:10] uh cattle gap or cattle crossing
[20:12] underneath the road and uh uh the bottom
[20:16] had deteriorated. It needed replacing.
[20:18] We ordered the pipe. The pipe didn't
[20:19] come in very quickly. And by the time it
[20:22] did come in, we we put it in.
[20:25] Um
[20:27] it was about just a a short time before
[20:30] we were going to pave it. And we didn't
[20:32] feel comfortable paving over that
[20:33] section because we know that anytime we
[20:35] put in a covert, a new covert, we
[20:37] disturb the ground and we we don't get
[20:39] 100% compassion. Usually it takes a
[20:40] little bit of time for traffic to go
[20:42] over it. Maybe a good three months is
[20:43] what we like to have for the the ground
[20:45] to settle. So, uh, our superintendent
[20:48] made a decision not to not to chip seal
[20:52] over that, I would say three to 400 foot
[20:54] area. Uh, and when he and when we came
[20:57] back this summer, this spring, and chip
[21:00] sealed over it, um, there was a um at
[21:03] the uh the the joints there. You could
[21:07] feel it at the joints. I feel a little
[21:09] noticeable drop or a little little bump.
[21:11] Um, since then we've tried to use the
[21:13] the uh uh to try to transition it with
[21:16] some some liquid and rock and and made
[21:19] it better, but um ideally we would have
[21:22] put the cover in and gave it three
[21:24] months to settle and then come over with
[21:26] the chip seal and chip seal the whole
[21:27] road at one time. So unfortunately we
[21:29] did have those joints.
[21:30] » But I brought that to your attention
[21:33] before y'all started.
[21:37] » Okay. That's what didn't make sense.
[21:40] » All right. Anybody got any
[21:43] » Hold on. Hold on.
[21:45] » Anybody got any questions for Heath
[21:47] about 30?
[21:49] All right. You had a Mr. Scott Roberts
[21:52] had a question about uh
[21:56] 43 and the shoulder work
[22:00] and the water standing in the road
[22:05] rudded areas in the in the road. He says
[22:08] » Okay. Um
[22:11] so uh
[22:13] uh Mr. Jim Long came to us a couple
[22:15] months ago about the shoulders. Um the
[22:17] county wasn't accustomed to doing a lot
[22:19] of shoulder work. We're mainly taking
[22:21] these narrow roads, widening them out
[22:23] and trying to put down a good chip seal
[22:25] and um Can Road 43 has more residential
[22:29] um u a lot more houses on it than than
[22:32] we normally deal with and people keep up
[22:34] with their grass a little bit better
[22:35] than we're accustomed to in the rural
[22:36] county area. So, uh uh we talked with
[22:39] the commission and we wanted to have a
[22:41] focus more on uh doing a little more
[22:43] prep on our on our shoulders. So, we did
[22:45] add uh top soil and we also purchased a
[22:50] uh a skid steer attachment called I
[22:51] believe it's a Harley rake to try to
[22:53] scrape out the rocks. So, that should
[22:56] improve our shoulders. And um
[22:59] um as far as the the uh if there is a if
[23:03] there is a uh some settlement, we hope
[23:05] not. Maybe it's one spot, but I I'm not
[23:07] aware of any um what you call it
[23:09] depressions or any what you what was the
[23:11] word?
[23:12] » Ruting.
[23:12] » Rudding. I'm not aware of any rudding.
[23:14] The base should be very solid on 43. We
[23:16] we've driven 43. 43 is a good road. Um
[23:21] we we feel like 43 is in in great
[23:24] condition. Um
[23:28] but but we would be willing obviously if
[23:31] there's something out there, we would be
[23:32] willing to take a look at it and see if
[23:34] there's any repairs needed. So we would
[23:35] be we would be more than happy to do a
[23:37] site investigation and meet with the
[23:40] gentleman. And if there is an an issue
[23:42] and I would suppose it be isolated,
[23:44] correct?
[23:46] Is it a one spot or is the entire road?
[23:50] » Yes, sir. Go ahead. The road
[23:54] to
[23:56] this afternoon
[24:00] there is water standing
[24:03] in the
[24:06] tire tracks.
[24:15] You guys did come in and you missed my
[24:19] my
[24:23] from the top grade of the pavement for
[24:27] chicken.
[24:30] Everything was looking good. But here
[24:33] like three or four weeks ago,
[24:35] you guys had a brush come in and you
[24:37] brushed all the extra chip seal off into
[24:40] our lawns.
[24:43] And I shared I shared pictures with the
[24:45] commissioners.
[24:51] neighbors,
[24:54] you know, I don't think you guys know
[24:57] the other thing that that does it makes
[24:58] people that travel our roads think we
[25:00] don't care and so lingering is 10 times
[25:04] worse,
[25:12] soda water
[25:16] because people think we don't care
[25:19] the Could
[25:20] you send those pictures to E so he'll
[25:23] have them too?
[25:26] » Will.
[25:27] » Yeah, he can do that.
[25:28] » Well, hopefully,
[25:29] » Mr. Scott, as with all our concerns and
[25:32] we do um ask that the public do put
[25:36] their requests in to the road department
[25:38] because I'm ask Mrs. Ston, are you aware
[25:41] and are you aware of what he's speaking
[25:44] of?
[25:46] Well, we talked about um we were want to
[25:49] stripe 43 and so we recently I believe
[25:52] it was um
[25:55] was it last week or week before that we
[25:57] broomed it off and so I wasn't aware
[26:00] that there was a whole lot of rocks that
[26:01] came off into the yard. And as far as
[26:03] rutting I'm not aware of the we have not
[26:05] heard of any the ring and I haven't
[26:06] heard of any complaints about the rocks
[26:08] in the yard ever since we used the
[26:09] Harley rake in the top soil. But I would
[26:12] again
[26:13] » It's been very dry lately so it
[26:21] » And and Mr. Son normally you just don't
[26:24] drive on all the roads that you doing
[26:27] anything to. So I I would suggest next
[26:29] time and he would have given you a
[26:31] better answer tonight or if he didn't I
[26:34] I'm going to say in his defense he was
[26:36] not aware what you have brought in and
[26:39] would you give them be willing to give
[26:40] them the chance and then the commission
[26:44] you can come back and say hey we tried
[26:47] xyz because if you don't what you don't
[26:49] know you know in in all fairness because
[26:53] look look like it's a work in progress
[26:54] to make it even better with stripes on
[26:56] it. So, so I thank I appreciate you.
[27:04] » He he is on the road department. The
[27:06] road department is on there and you
[27:08] could upload those pictures and you may
[27:11] not been aware. It's kind of a little
[27:13] hard to navigate it.
[27:18] » Yes. And and to call the road
[27:20] department. There is a number that you
[27:22] can call it in as well. So, you know,
[27:24] going forward, that would be a good
[27:26] suggestion. Then you would have your uh
[27:28] rights to say, you know, he was not
[27:29] aware and certainly they'll go out there
[27:33] and look at it.
[27:35] » Please understand.
[27:36] » Yeah. I I Yeah, I appreciate the way you
[27:39] your willingness too. Thank you, Miss
[27:41] Scott.
[27:43] » All right. Thank you, sir. Thanks, Eve.
[27:45] » Okay, we have no more public comments,
[27:48] no organizational reports.
[27:50] I mean,
[27:51] » Can I do a comment on the road stuff
[27:54] being it?
[27:55] » Yeah.
[27:57] » I I personally think what's happened um
[28:01] is u maybe the
[28:04] the
[28:06] community and the commission probably
[28:10] got in a little too big of a hurry
[28:13] on doing some of this stuff.
[28:15] And I don't think that rock should have
[28:18] been swept off. It should have stayed
[28:20] there for another
[28:22] 3 or 4 months.
[28:25] I think we got in too big a hurry to try
[28:27] to put stripes on it and push that rock
[28:29] off. And you know when you put tar and
[28:31] gravel on the road, it's it's supposed
[28:33] to keep working and working itself in.
[28:36] And I I I think we all just got in a
[28:38] little too big of a hurry really.
[28:41] Uh,
[28:43] » To the best of my knowledge,
[28:45] » Do what now?
[28:46] » We didn't ask for that to be done.
[28:48] » Why would he listen to me about that
[28:50] anyway?
[28:52] » Okay. We're not We're not going to go
[28:54] down this road here tonight. Okay.
[28:57] » But that's just my opinion. Uh, I I I
[29:01] don't think it's anybody's fault other
[29:03] than everybody just gets in too big of a
[29:06] hurry.
[29:08] That's my opinion.
[29:13] We'll get back with you, B. Promise.
[29:16] » I got I mean, I had some other
[29:19] pretty much got a lot
[29:23] » Now. Your your five minutes is up. I'll
[29:25] let you show us after meeting. Okay. Uh,
[29:29] no or no organizational reports. Can I
[29:32] have a motion to approve the consent
[29:34] agenda?
[29:34] » Make a motion we approve the consent
[29:36] agenda.
[29:37] » Motion, Commissioner Bone, do I have a
[29:39] second? Second.
[29:40] » Second. Commissioner Childris. Consent
[29:43] agenda consists of minutes August 25th
[29:46] claims list September 8th. Under revenue
[29:51] reclassification of Monica Parnell is
[29:53] full-time property appraiser one.
[29:56] Reclassification of Rebecca Abbott Day
[29:58] as full-time assessor clerk.
[30:02] Advertise and feel real property. Real
[30:06] slashpersonal property appraisal clerk.
[30:10] Advertise and field tag clerk position
[30:13] under probate. Approve new hire Kim
[30:15] Smitherman as full-time probate clerk.
[30:19] Commission office. Approve the 2627
[30:22] meeting dates. Approve the 2627 holiday
[30:26] schedule. Approved letter of support the
[30:29] city of Clinton for Alabama communities
[30:31] of excellence program selection under
[30:34] transit department chairman to sign
[30:37] fiscal year 2027 SSP
[30:42] advertise and fill full-time driver
[30:44] position advertise and fill two
[30:47] part-time driver positions approved
[30:50] budget amendment is noted in the
[30:52] attachment parks and recreation
[30:55] advertise and field parks and Recreation
[30:58] Manager position remove Scott Underwood
[31:01] from payroll
[31:02] under road department approved fiscal
[31:05] year 2027 DCS software agreement subject
[31:09] to the county attorney's review and
[31:12] approval
[31:13] approved application for logging
[31:15] efficiency grant round two for county
[31:18] road 262 in the amount of $425,000.
[31:24] And that's the end of the consent
[31:25] agenda. All in favor, raise your hand.
[31:28] Any opposed? And it passed unanimously.
[31:32] Uh we have no elected officials to
[31:35] speak. Uh attorney has no business, no
[31:39] old business. Staff reports. Uh Miss
[31:43] Sylvia,
[31:45] » This is the second meeting for
[31:46] nominations for CCARE.
[31:50] » Do we have any nominations for the five
[31:53] positions of CCARE? Yes.
[31:56] » Okay.
[32:02] Let's see.
[32:09] I may There we go. All right. For uh
[32:12] position two, I nominate Adam Watley.
[32:20] For position four, I nominate John
[32:24] Dennis.
[32:32] » All right. Any others?
[32:34] » Now, I need to correct something.
[32:37] » Okay.
[32:37] » I nominated Joe Cole position one and
[32:40] Brent Conway position five. I need to
[32:43] switch those and put Brent Conway for
[32:47] number one and Joe Cole for number
[32:49] position five.
[32:52] » That's because number five is for the
[32:54] fire association chairman. Correct.
[32:56] » Correct.
[32:56] » Okay,
[32:57] » Chair. I need to I have to reposition a
[33:00] few of mine
[33:01] » Under that at this time.
[33:06] » Okay. All right. Position two on mine
[33:09] would be Brandon Baker.
[33:13] Position three would be Derek Wright.
[33:17] And position four would be Landon Lowry.
[33:26] » Is that Lowry or Loi?
[33:28] » Lowry.
[33:33] All right. Any other nominations?
[33:37] All right. At our next meeting, we will
[33:40] have our third and final nominating
[33:42] process and then we'll close the
[33:44] nominations.
[33:45] » That's all I have.
[33:46] » All right. Thank you, ma'am. Uh,
[33:48] commission reports. Commissioner
[33:50] Billingsby.
[33:51] » Yes, sir. I just want to do an update on
[33:53] seeare of the five. Well, I got four of
[33:56] them of people that I had nominated. A
[33:58] little background history so everybody
[34:00] will understand
[34:02] why I have nominated these people. And
[34:06] I'm just going to briefly go through
[34:08] these four. Donna Manasco,
[34:11] » Pardon?
[34:14] » I thought I hope it was brief.
[34:15] » Oh, it is brief. I'm talking.
[34:19] Well, I was I uh
[34:24] You messed my eyes up. I had my eyes
[34:25] dilated. Excuse me. Minute. Looking over
[34:27] at him. They messed up. Uh she is a as a
[34:31] she is Donna is a basic EMT from UAB,
[34:36] intermediate EMT from UAB, paramedic
[34:39] from at
[34:42] uh Treyhorn I think in Montgomery
[34:44] National Register in 1989 until 2025.
[34:48] ALPN degree Wallace in 1985.
[34:52] Community and Selma unit present
[34:55] certified CPR instructor until 2020.
[34:58] advance certified 2025 by the Alabama
[35:02] legislator of municipalities for classes
[35:04] of municipal government. All right.
[35:07] quickly then that Joe Cole
[35:11] uh University of Monavala he has a
[35:14] bachelor in business administration 1995
[35:17] he graduated Central Alabama Community
[35:19] College EMT basics 1993
[35:22] University of Alabama Birmingham EMT
[35:25] intermediate paramedic 1994 1995
[35:29] uh he is a of course he's a manager of
[35:32] this local steel manufacturing company
[35:34] here paramedic he was paramedic with
[35:37] Shelby EMS RPS 1994, EMT basic immediate
[35:42] paramedic with Chilton Medical Center
[35:45] who later became Chilton Bone Medical
[35:48] Center in 1993.
[35:50] Uh he's a national registered licensed
[35:52] paramedic, the state of Alabama EMT
[35:55] paramedic, Alabama Fire College. He's a
[35:58] firefighter too, Alabama Fire College
[36:00] fire officer 4. Alabama Fire College
[36:03] Weapons and Mass Destruction of Hazard
[36:05] Material Incident Commander. Alabama
[36:08] Fire College Instructor 2, American
[36:11] Heart Association Basic Life Support CPR
[36:14] Instructor, Red Cross Basic Life CPR
[36:16] Instructor. He's an active member of the
[36:19] Fire Department of uh Fair View,
[36:21] currently as chief since 1992.
[36:25] Randy Jurgen is 25-year paramedic,
[36:28] nationally certified firefighter with
[36:30] highline rope rescue and direct rescue
[36:34] certification, registered nurse, ER
[36:38] trauma certification,
[36:40] uh paramedic, air life support
[36:43] certification, national certification,
[36:46] OB nurse, ICU experience, house
[36:49] supervisor for five years and he was a
[36:51] corner here for 12 years. And then the
[36:54] last one was uh
[36:57] oh Brent. Lord I can't see. Sorry it's
[37:01] the biggest letter on here. Uh currently
[37:04] he's a lieutenant with Alabaster
[37:06] Alabaster fire department supervisor of
[37:08] engine 12 and medic 17c shift at
[37:10] firehouse 2. Uh present five years and
[37:15] total of 24 years as Alabama fire
[37:18] department or alabaster fire department.
[37:21] uh and he was with Childersburg Fire
[37:24] Department in 2000 in 2022.
[37:29] firefighter EMT and in Childlesbury
[37:33] Alexander Alexander City Fire Department
[37:36] 98 and 2000 firefighter EMT and he is
[37:40] the chief of Isabella Fire Department
[37:42] since 1995 until currently and like I
[37:45] say firefighter EMT two 1995 2006 2006
[37:51] those are just those are not their
[37:53] certifications they're just too long but
[37:56] that's their certifications of the four
[37:59] of the five that are nominated. Just a
[38:01] brief update. Thank you.
[38:04] » And I apologize. Look down. I forgot you
[38:07] had your eyes down.
[38:08] » Oh, that's okay.
[38:09] » Okay.
[38:10] » I found some other excuse.
[38:12] » All right. Commissioner Bone,
[38:14] » I I have nothing.
[38:17] » No question.
[38:19] » Commissioner Hall.
[38:21] » Yes.
[38:22] I ask for a resolution to approve of
[38:24] Chilton County to donate and road
[38:27] department to transport a truckload of
[38:29] gravels to the North Chilton Fire
[38:30] Department to control excessive
[38:32] vegetation overgrowth at the repeater to
[38:35] be paid from the general fund.
[38:38] » Motion Commissioner Hall, do I have a
[38:40] second?
[38:40] » Second.
[38:41] » Second, Commissioner Bill. Any
[38:43] discussion?
[38:44] All in favor, raise your hand.
[38:47] Any opposed?
[38:49] Pass unanimously.
[38:51] Anything else? Commissioner Hall. That's
[38:52] » All. Thank you.
[38:53] » Commissioner He
[38:55] » I don't have anything.
[38:56] » Commissioner Per,
[38:57] » Not at this time.
[38:58] » All right. Comes down to me
[39:02] asking for a resolution to resend the
[39:05] resolution from June 9th, 2026 to
[39:07] contract with Pierce Auction to sell the
[39:09] surplus items in the old courthouse.
[39:12] » So move.
[39:13] » Second.
[39:13] » Second.
[39:14] » Motion Commissioner Bones. Second,
[39:16] Commissioner Perkins. Any discussion? Uh
[39:19] what I will say is a change their
[39:21] policies and procedures and we had to go
[39:23] a different route.
[39:26] All in favor raise your hand. Any
[39:28] opposed and passed unanimously
[39:32] and ask resolution to contract with
[39:35] Cameron Ellison as auctioneer to auction
[39:37] off all the surplus items in the old
[39:40] courthouse and funds deposited into the
[39:42] courthouse fund.
[39:44] » Move
[39:46] motion commissioner Billy second
[39:48] commissioner bone. Any discussion?
[39:51] All in favor, raise your hand. Any
[39:54] opposed? And while we're on that
[39:56] subject, I met with the mayor today. We
[39:59] can go ahead and close and we'll have
[40:02] what time necessary, whatever we need to
[40:05] get everything out of the courthouse,
[40:06] auction it off.
[40:07] » Turn your mic on.
[40:13] » Sorry about that. Thank you. Uh the
[40:15] mayor said we could go ahead and close
[40:17] and he would allow us to do whatever's
[40:19] necessary in the courthouse because
[40:21] they're not going to start anything
[40:22] probably until January. This allows them
[40:25] to get their process started. So I
[40:28] didn't think there would be any argument
[40:29] from anybody. So I said, "Okay, so you
[40:32] can go ahead and prepare the paperwork,
[40:34] man."
[40:36] Okay. Uh need a m motion to approve
[40:39] Thompson tractor invoices.
[40:42] » So move.
[40:42] » Motion Commissioner Bone. Second.
[40:45] » Second. Commissioner Billingsley.
[40:48] All in favor, raise your hand. Any
[40:50] opposed? Any abstensions?
[40:54] » I have family work for Thompson.
[40:56] » Okay, that will be six in favor and one
[40:59] abstension. U need a resolution to
[41:02] combine the parks under one fund.
[41:05] » I'll make that motion.
[41:06] » Motion, Commissioner Perkins. Second,
[41:08] Commissioner Bone. Any discussion?
[41:11] All in favor, raise your hand. Any
[41:14] opposed? And passed unanimously.
[41:19] Okay. Uh
[41:23] I I've had a lot of thoughts about data
[41:25] centers and it seems to be that that is
[41:29] one of the main things I get asked
[41:32] anywhere anytime is about data centers
[41:36] and we we passed a moratorum on data
[41:40] centers.
[41:41] I think I need to just do a little have
[41:44] a little discussion about data centers.
[41:48] Uh data centers are basically the
[41:52] unknown. And the unknown is what scares
[41:55] pretty much everybody.
[41:58] That's generally because there are
[41:59] things about them we don't know anything
[42:01] about and it raises concerns and
[42:04] convincing answers are hard to come by.
[42:07] If those answers exist at all, data
[42:10] centers operation is one of those
[42:14] unknowns. In most communities where data
[42:17] centers are being constructed,
[42:18] controversies seem to have no end.
[42:22] Whether it is backroom deals or
[42:24] questions about power and water usage,
[42:27] the public does not believe that their
[42:29] elected officials are giving them honest
[42:31] answers.
[42:33] One truth is that most counties have no
[42:36] power to prevent a data center or any
[42:39] other industry from locating within its
[42:42] borders. We passed a one-year moratorum,
[42:47] but it is not enforcable.
[42:49] It was fast so that any company looking
[42:52] to build one here would contact the
[42:55] commission office thereby giving us a
[42:58] heads up because the last thing they
[43:00] want now is bad publicity. As bad as
[43:03] public they've had everywhere in this
[43:05] state and around the country they don't
[43:06] want anymore.
[43:09] Now the one thing about data centers and
[43:11] I didn't know didn't realize this until
[43:13] I got to diving into them.
[43:17] Data centers process virtually every
[43:20] action done on the internet. Everything
[43:23] from internet sales to remote surgery
[43:26] from hundreds of miles away. If you surf
[43:30] the internet or you pay your bills
[43:32] online, you depend on a data center
[43:35] somewhere to process that request.
[43:39] The need for more data centers
[43:42] multiplies with each passing year.
[43:46] They're now a fact of life. The best
[43:48] thing that we can hope for is to be
[43:51] prepared for the one that is more likely
[43:54] than not to come to Chilton County.
[43:57] I ask everybody, research, AI, and data
[44:00] centers. Arm yourself with knowledge.
[44:04] Knowledge is understanding and
[44:05] understanding helps to helps you to
[44:07] debate the pros and the cons.
[44:11] 20 years ago, we thought that the
[44:14] suggestion of walking around with a
[44:16] computer device in your hand was
[44:18] ridiculous.
[44:20] Where are we now?
[44:22] We have a computer in our hand every
[44:24] day. Data centers are coming.
[44:28] We're educating ourselves about the
[44:30] various types. And when I say we, I mean
[44:32] us, your commission. We're trying to get
[44:35] on top of this any way we can about the
[44:39] various types in hopes to be able to
[44:41] guide them where they can build in order
[44:43] to be a good neighbor to our people. So,
[44:47] arm yourself with knowledge about data
[44:49] centers. There are some good ones,
[44:53] one in particular in Iowa. I hope to
[44:55] make a visit there sometime in the near
[44:57] future. Uh
[45:00] maybe get some good news. All right, the
[45:03] next thing is
[45:07] event center. After considering this
[45:11] for a few days, of course, you know,
[45:14] we've been discussing event center.
[45:15] Commissioner Billingsley started the
[45:17] ball rolling with the property to 212.
[45:20] Commissioners Childerson Perkins have
[45:21] talked to the mayor and the school board
[45:24] and I think a concerted effort is better
[45:27] than shotgun shooting a dozen different
[45:31] ways. So after I asked McKesha and
[45:36] Tiffany if they would be willing to
[45:38] serve and they said yes, I have asked
[45:40] Commissioner Billingsley, Commissioner
[45:42] Childris and Commissioner Perkins to
[45:45] serve on this committee with
[45:46] Commissioner Billingsley who the one who
[45:49] got all this started to serve as chair
[45:51] if he's willing to be chair.
[45:54] » Yes.
[45:55] » Okay. So now y'all can put your heads
[45:58] together. We have the money lady. We
[46:02] have the uh promotional guru in Tiffany.
[46:07] So, let's see if we can get a direction
[46:08] on this thing. And if it's worth
[46:10] pursuing, bring us something to do.
[46:14] » Um, thank you for this opportunity, but
[46:16] I've got to make a confession. Um, you
[46:19] say is my idea. My idea came from that
[46:23] lady right there, Miss Sylvia.
[46:26] She's the one that planted it on me.
[46:29] Do you remember that?
[46:31] » Well, yes, I remember.
[46:33] » Okay. So, where it came from,
[46:36] » I wasn't sure where you were going with
[46:38] this book
[46:40] » About planning. Yeah.
[46:41] » She and I I thought had about a a heart
[46:44] to heart, I guess I could say. But give
[46:47] her the credit for the idea. Thank you.
[46:49] » All right. I'll give Miss Sylvia the
[46:50] credit. Thank you.
[46:56] And at this time
[46:58] we have a presentation.
[47:02] We have one of our own who has joined
[47:05] the ranks of all the others in the
[47:08] commission office. She has now obtained
[47:11] a certificate
[47:14] of county administration.
[47:18] And so every one in our
[47:24] » And her name is
[47:25] » Britney Dearette and her husband happens
[47:28] to be our transportation director.
[47:33] » Walk around and bring this to you. I'm
[47:34] not going to make you come here.
[47:41] » Congratulations.
[47:42] » Yeah. Congratulations. Hard work.
[47:51] I think you failed.
[47:58] » We need to interview music.
[48:00] » I got back up. This bones down here
[48:08] education institute administered by
[48:10] buddy sharpness education institute
[48:13] association of county commissions of
[48:15] Alabama hereby certify that Britney
[48:19] Djarnette has completed the mandated
[48:22] education requirement for a certificate
[48:25] in county administration
[48:27] witness thereof
[48:29] made on this 20th day of August 2026.
[48:34] » Congratulations.
[48:48] » You going to make it back?
[48:51] » You need Children's to take over
[48:56] kind of shape he's in when he gets back.
[48:57] out of breath when he gets back up.
[49:03] » He is the oldest stuff up here.
[49:06] » You remind him of that often.
[49:12] » I heard what you said. You are correct.
[49:14] I left the chambers.
[49:22] Uh, I'm going to answer an executive
[49:24] session, but I got something that I
[49:26] think needs saying tonight. Uh,
[49:32] Friday is our is the 25th anniversary
[49:36] of the worst attack
[49:38] on United States soil.
[49:41] 25 years ago, cowards came in and
[49:43] attacked our country. We don't need to
[49:46] forget. We need to make sure our
[49:48] children understand
[49:50] what was taken from America that day.
[49:52] Our innocence was lost.
[49:55] Our trust of people coming to our shores
[49:59] was lost.
[50:01] We don't ever need to forget it. So
[50:04] Friday, say a little prayer for those
[50:06] families who lost family, who have lost
[50:11] family since then due to the illnesses
[50:14] because of the dust and things from
[50:17] those towers that day. So I just wanted
[50:19] to make everybody aware in case you had
[50:22] forgotten.
[50:23] We don't need to forget.
[50:26] All right. At this time, I'm going to
[50:31] ask for an executive session, which
[50:35] there'll be no business taken
[50:36] afterwards. It will only be for a few
[50:38] minutes.
[50:40] And
[50:41] » Mr. Chair, I can.
[50:43] » Yes. Uh this I believe that the motion
[50:46] that you're seeking is to enter into an
[50:48] executive session to discuss preliminary
[50:51] negotiations involving matters of trade
[50:53] or commerce in which the governmental
[50:55] body is in competition with private
[50:57] individuals or entities for other
[50:59] governmental bodies in Alabama or in
[51:01] other states or foreign nations. Um as
[51:04] you said uh you'll come you you'll
[51:07] adjourn out of executive session. How
[51:09] long would you estimate?
[51:11] » 10 minutes.
[51:11] » 10 minutes for the session. This
[51:13] particular type of executive session
[51:16] requires a um written or oral
[51:20] declaration entered into the minutes
[51:22] that the discussions would have a
[51:24] detrimental effect upon the compet
[51:26] competitive position of a party to the
[51:28] negotiations or upon the location
[51:30] retention expansion or upgrading of a
[51:33] public employee or business entity in
[51:35] the area served by the governmental body
[51:37] if disclosed outside an executive
[51:38] session. and the chairman has uh signed
[51:42] such a declaration as the person with
[51:44] that knowledge and I would ask that it
[51:46] be made a part of the minutes.
[51:49] » Okay. Can I have a motion to go into
[51:50] executive session?
[51:51] » I move that we go into executive session
[51:54] for the affformentioned reason.
[51:56] » Motion Commissioner Childers second.
[51:59] Commissioner Bone, could I have a roll
[52:00] call vote, please, Miss Sylvia?
[52:05] » Commissioner Bill Lingsley.
[52:07] » Yes.
[52:07] » Commissioner Bone.
[52:08] » Yes. Commissioner Childris,
[52:10] » Yes.
[52:10] » Commissioner Hall,
[52:11] » Yes.
[52:11] » Commissioner Hedley,
[52:12] » Yes.
[52:13] » Commissioner Perkins,
[52:14] » Yes.
[52:14] » Commissioner Williams,
[52:15] » Yes. And it is unanimous. We are entered
[52:18] into executive session. I thank