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>> Councilmember Harris: all

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right, welcome to to budget and

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finance, I'm your committee

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chair, rusconi's r reggie harris

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joined today with me committee

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vice chair, councilmember

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cramerding, councilmember anna

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albi and jeffreys, vice mayor

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kearney councilmember owens,

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parks and. I don't believe we

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have any public comment and on

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zoom. From the developmental

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disabilities o DR. Dudas, and

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law, our clerk is rob either

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kneel I. And we have a couple

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presentations.

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That we'll take up

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then we will take up the items

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and then we will make a movement

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to go no executive

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into executive session

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at the conclusion of the meeting

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and we'll talk about that at the

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end. With that, we have our

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favorite topic here in the city

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of cincinnati, biochar, so we're

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joined today we have jason

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barron with us and director

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kroner and crystal courtney

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division manager of natural

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resources. Welcome. Come on

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up. We also see jon harmon in

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his new role supporting biochar

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replication and decked out in

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park swag. All right. Welcome.

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>> good afternoon, CHAIRMAN

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Harris, committee. We're happy

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to come here today to talk about

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biochar. We talked about did

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individually with many of you

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and here last year for our

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budget presentation where we did

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a science experiment how it

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retains water as opposed dirt.

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We're here to give a update on

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the project and a item you will

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be considering to give an ad

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advance from the energy

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revolving loan fund that we

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would use as part the capital

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stack for that. Where we're at

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is at the FEBRUARY park board

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meeting. Park board voted to

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move forward with the project

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and purchase the equipment. All

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told the start up project is

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about $2.9 million. About 1.7

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of that is the equipment. Much

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of which we'll be able to get

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tax credits back in the form of

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direct pay, which director

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kroner will walk us through. We

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are considering about 8 $50,000

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as a advance to use as part of

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the capital stack and that will

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be refunded through these tax

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credits that are part of the

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inflation reduction act. We are

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in the process of we are signing

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up a mechanical engineer that

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will help us design it's

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facility and how it ties into

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water and nursery, that's where

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the site will go. And the

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reason we get do claim tax

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credits it will take water

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nursery off the grid, using the

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hoot from the biochar machine to

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create energy. We spend about

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$40,000 a year on energy that we

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will be able to save and produce

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ourselves, which is exciting.

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That's outside of even creating

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biochar which is what we're here

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to talk about today to give a

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run down how that works. With

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that I will pass things over to

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my colleague here, division

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manager of the division of

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natural resources crystal

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courtney.

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>> it is a honor to join you

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here today. I have spoken many

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times about the status tree

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canopy and the projects we're

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working on. Just a brief

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overview why cincinnati, why

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now. So as you know, the

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majority of our street trees are

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planted in relatively small

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areas and in pretty poor compart

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pacted soil that's inn none

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dated with salt and other refuse

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from the streets. As an urban

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forrester, arborist in this

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industry we have becoming

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looking to biochar as a solution

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for some of that dee compaction

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and soil improvement materials.

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The it is pretty absorb dent to

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build into our budget so we

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started this project with an

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idea around okay does this work?

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And we started outed buy lotting

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a couple sites using biochar.

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And then soon thereafter got

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into this whole bloomberg

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philanthropies grant. The why

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is really to improve the canopy,

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the growth rates in the

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survivability of street trees

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and treats throughout the city.

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We have initiatives build into

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the green cincinnati plan and

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within our own organization to

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help meet canopy goals in low

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income communities of color and

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can by areas over the city

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overall. We have a innovative

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uli, we urban forestry program

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and excited to put it to work in

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our and streetscapes. In

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addition we have been working at

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the national to advance urban

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forestry throats the united

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states, last year being deemed a

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van guard city leading it's

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charge in urban forestry

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initiatives tenablal level. I

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will bringing in innovative

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technology home will be a pilot

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for the amazing work that our

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city does for urban canopy ass

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and we have opportunities with

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the inflation reduction act and

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through bloomberg

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philanthropies. In 2015 stock

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hold hole many sweden pie need

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the first biochar facility.

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That was a bloomberg challenge

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grant and they put out a request

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for proposals from municipals a

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round the world for inn corp the

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biochar into their city wood

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waste mainingment. Since at

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that time cincinnati was one of

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ten cities in the world chosen

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to complete the feasibility

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study, we had a cohort of about

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12 people from various entities

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throughout the city, including

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office of environment and

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sustainability, university of

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cincinnati, ground work ohio

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river valley and local partners

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in the urban ag field and soil

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remediation field. So we put

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forward this feasibility study,

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our entire goal knowing that

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this would be a city operation

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was to make this essentially

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revenue neutral. So we knew

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that we needed to -- we knew how

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much biochar we needed to

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produce in order to take care of

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trees that we're planting, but

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then we multiplied that by how

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much did what we need to produce

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and sell in order to run this

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operation, pay for every aspect

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of it so that we're not having

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to come back and ask for city

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operational budgets to fund

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this. We built our feasibility

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study based upon that. When

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which put that forward in 2022

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we were one of 7 cities in the

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world chosen, one of three in

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the united states with our

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county parts being minneapolis

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been working with those cities

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cocreating what does this look

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like in the united states, all

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the permitting aspects that we

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all have to go through and then

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finally the machinery itself,

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which means would be best suited

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for this application that aren't

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going to breakdown and are going

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to essentially allow us to have

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a seamless operation overall.

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We have been collaborating, we

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have monthly meeting with those

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other cities. We have quarterly

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meetings with the other six

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entities throughout the world to

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kind ever collaborate on what

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these projects look like at a

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international level. One of our

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first major tasks was we're

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urban foresters but this is new

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technology so one of the first

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things was a rfp for a operator.

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So we are wrapping up phase 1 of

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that contract, essentially

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carbon margin invest was the

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entity that was chosen, sam

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dunlap is the owner of that

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company. He's been helping us

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build through everything from

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putting out the rfp for

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equipment to help with site

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design, to building out

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operations plan and business

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plan for how do we bring in

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enough revenue to pay for this

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operation overall. This is a

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slide that I why in ever biochar

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presentation I give the it is

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not a new technology. It has

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been a round since the beginning

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of of agriculture, it goes over

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2000 years to what they are

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finding now over 200 heck trays

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of lad lap in south america

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today where our original kind of

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first nations were in

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corporating this into the soil

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to make the soil and amazon more

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fertile for growing crops. The

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slide, or the picture to the

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right there is a very close up

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show shot of what biochar looks

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like. The way that this works

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in the ground is it will,

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because of its high beings

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change, carbon I can structure

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proper individuals a small home

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for all of the beneficial micro

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buy on the I can organisms in

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the soil 20 live, thrive, so

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that we have nutrients and water

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holding capacity right thereon

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site. This is essentially what

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is helping to build that soil

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struck sure so the trees are

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then better able to survive

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overall. So what does this

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process look like?

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So we generate a lot of wood

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waste. We have about 30 yards

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of wood chips a day, so if you

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think about the big tree trucks

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that are coming through, that's

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two of those big tree trucks

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every day and historically have

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been piling that material up and

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under utilized land within parks

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property. We might use it for

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mulching trees, in partnership

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with compost with our composting

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partners or urban ag partners

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throughout the city. But

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overall this waste is just kind

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of accumulating and breaking

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down. And so if you think about

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how a tree grows to the process

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of photo synthesis, as its

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taking in cash bone dioxide it

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is releasing oxygen back out

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which is what is cooling the

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and store that's carbon within

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its makeup. That's how you get

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trunks and branches and leaves

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and roots, that's all carbon.

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So, as plant waste decomposes if

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we were to pile it up, all that

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carbon that a tree has

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sequestered is released back

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into the atmosphere as it

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decomposes. Biochar does is

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high heat, low oxygen in

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hydrolysis, wood chips come in,

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they are processed through the

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machine, all the gasses and/or

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began I can materials that are

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built up within that are

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released out, burned off, that

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is part of the system, part of

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the fuel that keeps that unit

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running. At the end of the day

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the final product is up to 830%

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solid carbon. So what we will

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come away with is that through

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our six year pruning cycle,

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through all the trees that are

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pruned and removed throughout

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the city, we'll be repurposed

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into biochar holding up to 830%

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of the carbon that those there's

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and tree parts have sequestered

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over their lifetime almost in

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perpetuity. They are still

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filing these in the amazon that

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are 2000 years old. So the rest

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dense time of biochar in the

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soil is very long. So what

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we'll be doing we're already, we

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already have a preventive

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maintenance cycle, pruning and

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creating wood waste. We will

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take it to the unit, converting

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it into biochar, and then

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reincorporating that into a

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compost facility that park

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parky's farm through great parks

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of hamilton county. They

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produce, they pay about $60,000

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a year to have the manure there

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taken off site. As we were

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developing this project, they

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were developing a composting

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facility at their site. We said

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let's match, you can't do is

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take biochar and put it straight

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into the soil because than

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carbon will pull all the

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material out of the so is, the

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nutrients and moisture by

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warming it before it is brings

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the benefits to the treats and

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roots. We will produce t at

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that to parky's farm, mixes with

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compost and that will be planted

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back in the trees that we plant

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throughout the city. Another

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portion will be going out into

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the industry for sales which

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we'll get into a little more.

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One element that I definitely

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want to point out here when you

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go through this sickle,

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converting wood waste into

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biochar you are also generating

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exorbitant amount of heat and

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that heat is what we're going to

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be capturing in order to do

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combined heat and power system

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that jason alluded to which will

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power the nursery. So this is

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the step by step kind of process

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that I just went through

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receiving wood chips, bringing

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it the shredder, shredder will

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essentially take them and make

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them into a uniform size as they

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are going through the machine

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they are processed in a similar

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size, similar heat so that we

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have a clean product at the end

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of the day. And then we will be

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essentially loading it into

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super sacks and taking it to be

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distributed for reuse within our

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streetscapes, through that

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compost mixing or distributing

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specifically for sale as a raw

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or for the unified fortified

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product broad. Since 22 we have

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been working through what does

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this operation look like, what

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does the cost us, how much do we

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need to sell?

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What is the current rate kind of

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at the national level, what do

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we think we can sell it for, as

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well as any carbon crediting

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opportunities that we MAY run

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into. So just a break down on

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some of the equipment that we

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purchased so far. So this is a

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image of the shredder, so again

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the shredder will make the wood

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chips into a even form size. It

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the in springfield township.

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The historically is where we

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grew all the trees to forest

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mount airy forest. And then in

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the mid 20 teens we springfield

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township and they have created

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the preserve which is a awesome

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new park, springfield township

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operates and developed. It is

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right next to it. Just north

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west of this site but it's

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nursery we have about six

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greenhousers, we to krohn

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conservatory and it is a great

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operation. It was and that

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cincinnati parks we have had it

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forever. But it also is under

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utilized. It has a ton of

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potential. It hasn't been oning

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at full steam since it's 830

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real estates and we're

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developing a lot of plans to

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bring it back on line and ramp

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up our own production this. One

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of the things we're most excited

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about is bring biochar out here.

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You can see that road that the

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two red lines that run from the

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right side to left are two

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potential access roads. We're

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work with springfield township

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about how to accept wardner

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nursery from north bend road,

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which is the road southwest to

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northeast on that lower portion

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or right hand side of the page.

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We are work with them to work

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through the process of

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redeveloping this and get tag

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00:23:00,859 --> 00:23:01,760
back on line much that's going

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00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,160
smoothly. They are excited

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00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:07,564
about the potential for this

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project. This is a schematic

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drawing of what the operation

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00:23:11,102 --> 00:23:13,738
looks like as as can you see, I

443
00:23:13,738 --> 00:23:15,506
don't know if my mouse shows up

444
00:23:15,506 --> 00:23:16,808
there, it does not. But the box

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in the middle of it with the

446
00:23:19,544 --> 00:23:21,179
little circle on it, that is the

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00:23:21,179 --> 00:23:21,446
pie recall cyst unit and you can

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00:23:21,446 --> 00:23:23,446
see.

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00:23:23,882 --> 00:23:27,218
If you are moving from the south

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part of the page to the north,

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the already part to the top,

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that is the wood chipper

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00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:34,292
outside, that will move north on

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00:23:34,292 --> 00:23:36,361
conveyor/belt to that first box

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inside building a moving floor.

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We'll load that up to run even

457
00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:41,766
when we're not there and to

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00:23:41,766 --> 00:23:44,166
operate 24/7. And that will

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00:23:45,370 --> 00:23:46,403
slowly move the woods chips over

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00:23:46,403 --> 00:23:48,340
to a conveyor or belled belt

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00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:50,608
that will run through the unit

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00:23:50,608 --> 00:23:52,443
in the middle and split off to

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00:23:52,443 --> 00:23:55,647
bagging up the biochar for sales

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00:23:55,647 --> 00:23:56,948
and distribution or over to the

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organic ran kin cycle which is

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the machine that generates

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00:24:02,287 --> 00:24:05,287
power. A generator that uses

468
00:24:05,290 --> 00:24:06,523
heat to generate and probes

469
00:24:06,523 --> 00:24:08,160
electricity. We have a cool

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00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,760
individual owe about that if you

471
00:24:11,796 --> 00:24:13,832
would like to see it. So what's

472
00:24:13,832 --> 00:24:15,300
the revenue potential?

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As can you guess, crystal

474
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,571
mentioned early on, we need this

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to be revenue neutral at best.

476
00:24:21,673 --> 00:24:23,908
It is something that takes away

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from other parks priorities as

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00:24:25,543 --> 00:24:28,543
everybody knows revenue is not

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00:24:28,613 --> 00:24:30,548
growing throughout the city, tax

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00:24:30,548 --> 00:24:32,417
revenue we noticed to do more

481
00:24:32,417 --> 00:24:34,190
with lessor produce more

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00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:36,554
revenue. We need to make enough

483
00:24:36,554 --> 00:24:37,789
to cover costs. And step 2 is

484
00:24:37,789 --> 00:24:39,924
there a possibility to create

485
00:24:39,924 --> 00:24:41,426
additional revenue that we can

486
00:24:41,426 --> 00:24:43,194
use to accomplish some of our

487
00:24:43,194 --> 00:24:45,594
priorities throughout the park

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00:24:45,931 --> 00:24:46,298
system related to additional can

489
00:24:46,298 --> 00:24:48,298
pee

490
00:24:50,969 --> 00:24:52,804
tree canopy and reforesting our

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forest. So about 80% of the

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00:24:55,106 --> 00:24:57,409
biochar is going to be available

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00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:59,544
for sale. About 15% of it will

494
00:24:59,544 --> 00:25:01,112
be held back for use between us

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00:25:01,112 --> 00:25:02,781
and great parks. And this

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00:25:02,781 --> 00:25:04,583
partnership where we provide the

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00:25:04,583 --> 00:25:06,684
biochar, they provide the

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manure, we combine the two at

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00:25:10,121 --> 00:25:11,756
about a 1-5 ratio and that will

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00:25:11,756 --> 00:25:13,591
be planted in tree wells with

501
00:25:13,591 --> 00:25:15,527
our trees or in other projects

502
00:25:15,527 --> 00:25:16,828
throughout our system. And

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00:25:16,828 --> 00:25:18,497
we're estimating high on that.

504
00:25:18,497 --> 00:25:20,899
We're not totally sure we can

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00:25:20,899 --> 00:25:22,868
use even the 15% that we

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00:25:22,868 --> 00:25:24,736
produce, but again we always try

507
00:25:24,736 --> 00:25:26,638
to estimate high where you want

508
00:25:26,638 --> 00:25:29,507
to over performance estimate low

509
00:25:29,507 --> 00:25:31,907
where we're worried about

510
00:25:32,877 --> 00:25:34,450
underperforming. So 85% for

511
00:25:34,450 --> 00:25:35,981
sale. Additionally this is

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going to be available for

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eligible for carbon credits.

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00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,520
Essentially we'll be able to

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00:25:44,189 --> 00:25:45,790
sell carbon credits for the heat

516
00:25:45,790 --> 00:25:46,892
that we're producing and energy

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00:25:46,892 --> 00:25:48,660
that we're producing that will

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00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:52,260
be a funding stream or revenue

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00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:57,569
stream as well. And then our

520
00:25:57,569 --> 00:25:59,471
hope is that we're going to

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00:25:59,471 --> 00:26:01,373
produce revenue that will be

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00:26:01,373 --> 00:26:02,874
flood, to use in other parts of

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00:26:02,874 --> 00:26:05,274
the system. We're currently

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00:26:05,444 --> 00:26:07,546
estimating that in year 1 we'll

525
00:26:07,546 --> 00:26:08,880
be about 45% success rate on

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00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,880
creating biochar. This

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00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:13,919
obviously if we run this 24/7,

528
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:15,287
there is a maximum output. But

529
00:26:15,287 --> 00:26:17,550
whether it is how much wood

530
00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:18,490
chips do we produce throughout

531
00:26:18,490 --> 00:26:20,792
our system, we want to estimate

532
00:26:20,792 --> 00:26:24,960
low on that how successful we're

533
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,980
at keeping it going 24/7, will

534
00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:29,698
there be down time, working out

535
00:26:30,635 --> 00:26:32,637
kings and in kinks and 67%

536
00:26:32,637 --> 00:26:36,237
success rate and hoping by year

537
00:26:36,775 --> 00:26:39,444
3 we're close to 930% of the max

538
00:26:39,444 --> 00:26:41,746
output that we put out every

539
00:26:41,746 --> 00:26:44,716
year. In year 1 a little built

540
00:26:44,716 --> 00:26:46,251
of a deficit in what it costs to

541
00:26:46,251 --> 00:26:47,820
run this versus what we think

542
00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:49,988
question make. About a

543
00:26:49,988 --> 00:26:52,457
50,000-dollar gap in year 1, the

544
00:26:52,457 --> 00:26:53,191
start up years with some

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00:26:53,191 --> 00:26:55,600
troubles. $400,000 to operate

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00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,661
this in year one. Raising over

547
00:26:56,661 --> 00:26:59,164
time as everything does, so

548
00:26:59,164 --> 00:27:01,466
we're building in increases but

549
00:27:01,466 --> 00:27:04,136
we think as as quickly by year

550
00:27:04,136 --> 00:27:07,736
two this will be making revenue

551
00:27:07,773 --> 00:27:09,807
of about $200,000 in year 2 and

552
00:27:09,807 --> 00:27:11,143
as much and 3 hounds that will

553
00:27:11,143 --> 00:27:14,143
be revenue positive if we're

554
00:27:14,346 --> 00:27:16,782
able to hit those production

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00:27:16,782 --> 00:27:19,170
targets. So, again, it is not

556
00:27:19,170 --> 00:27:21,319
often that a city starts up a

557
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,880
business we think this will have

558
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,556
a real benefit for our bottom

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00:27:24,556 --> 00:27:26,558
line and when you look at the

560
00:27:26,558 --> 00:27:28,427
most important piece is going to

561
00:27:28,427 --> 00:27:29,761
make our trees grow quicker and

562
00:27:29,761 --> 00:27:31,630
healthier and more success full

563
00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:33,231
name. You look at what it can

564
00:27:33,231 --> 00:27:35,200
do to help parks achieve some of

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00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,636
its goals throughout the system,

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00:27:37,636 --> 00:27:38,870
then the other piece is all that

567
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:41,439
biochar we sell that will make

568
00:27:41,439 --> 00:27:43,775
revenue it will also go to make

569
00:27:43,775 --> 00:27:46,175
healthier trees, better crops,

570
00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:50,445
better landscapes elsewhere as

571
00:27:50,516 --> 00:27:53,516
well. We're paid about the

572
00:27:54,546 --> 00:27:54,638
potential. We had some

573
00:27:54,638 --> 00:27:54,708
preliminary discussion was some

574
00:27:54,708 --> 00:27:55,921
whole sale operator that are

575
00:27:55,921 --> 00:27:57,522
very interested in this and are

576
00:27:57,522 --> 00:27:58,523
kind of like, when are you going

577
00:27:58,523 --> 00:28:00,425
to start producing?

578
00:28:00,425 --> 00:28:01,994
But there is a market for this.

579
00:28:01,994 --> 00:28:04,462
I know from talking to the vice

580
00:28:04,462 --> 00:28:05,964
mayor that it is not as ease toy

581
00:28:05,964 --> 00:28:07,566
find it at lowes and you would

582
00:28:07,566 --> 00:28:10,368
like it to be but we would like

583
00:28:10,368 --> 00:28:11,470
to provide some large scale

584
00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:12,904
wholesalers that product that

585
00:28:12,904 --> 00:28:17,104
they will then bag and reuse in

586
00:28:17,709 --> 00:28:18,243
other ways. So, how had we use

587
00:28:18,243 --> 00:28:20,450
the 15%?

588
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:22,681
Like crystal mentioned, we will

589
00:28:22,681 --> 00:28:26,281
send to parky's farm where they

590
00:28:27,286 --> 00:28:29,686
are creating this compost

591
00:28:30,550 --> 00:28:31,156
facility, 1 bye biochar to 5

592
00:28:31,156 --> 00:28:33,156
manure effectstively which

593
00:28:33,926 --> 00:28:35,394
creates that night row gin rich

594
00:28:35,394 --> 00:28:37,862
planting element that allows the

595
00:28:37,862 --> 00:28:41,462
tree to be successful. We use

596
00:28:42,301 --> 00:28:43,936
about 8/10 of a cubic yard per

597
00:28:43,936 --> 00:28:46,538
tree and great parks will use it

598
00:28:46,538 --> 00:28:49,374
in their trees as well. So next

599
00:28:49,374 --> 00:28:50,608
steps, like I said we're work

600
00:28:50,608 --> 00:28:51,910
with springfield township to

601
00:28:51,910 --> 00:28:53,946
make sure everything is up and

602
00:28:53,946 --> 00:28:56,348
running for this. We're fine

603
00:28:56,348 --> 00:28:57,583
lieding our contract with the

604
00:28:57,583 --> 00:28:59,983
mechanical engineer that will

605
00:29:00,752 --> 00:29:01,720
help us design this property.

606
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,622
We're -- and then we're work

607
00:29:03,622 --> 00:29:04,323
with carbon harvest on

608
00:29:04,323 --> 00:29:06,457
finalizing and continuing to

609
00:29:06,457 --> 00:29:07,925
test and study the operations

610
00:29:07,925 --> 00:29:09,727
plan, the business plan. It is

611
00:29:09,727 --> 00:29:11,397
our hope that if everything goes

612
00:29:11,397 --> 00:29:13,498
right with this we will be able

613
00:29:13,498 --> 00:29:15,100
to begin construction on the

614
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,302
facility as early as this spring

615
00:29:17,302 --> 00:29:19,605
and by the first quarter we'll

616
00:29:19,605 --> 00:29:21,507
be producing biochar and

617
00:29:21,507 --> 00:29:22,975
starting to see this benefit.

618
00:29:22,975 --> 00:29:25,900
And that lines up relate if I

619
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:26,345
havely well with great parks

620
00:29:26,345 --> 00:29:27,845
compost facility they are

621
00:29:27,845 --> 00:29:30,150
working to develop right now as

622
00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:33,520
well. So we will have time for

623
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,220
questions at the end, but next

624
00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:37,256
up is the inflation reduction

625
00:29:37,256 --> 00:29:40,856
act, which is what we're talking

626
00:29:41,526 --> 00:29:42,428
about days the advance.

627
00:29:42,428 --> 00:29:43,996
>> happy earth day to the

628
00:29:43,996 --> 00:29:46,765
committee. I want to commend

629
00:29:46,765 --> 00:29:49,902
parks from building this from a

630
00:29:49,902 --> 00:29:50,803
seedling of an idea to a full

631
00:29:50,803 --> 00:29:52,803
fledged vision business

632
00:29:54,239 --> 00:29:55,574
operation. It is been a amazing

633
00:29:55,574 --> 00:29:57,974
development. Alongside what I

634
00:29:58,210 --> 00:29:58,944
consider to be one of the

635
00:29:58,944 --> 00:30:01,344
innovative climate solutions the

636
00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:04,917
city is working o I want to

637
00:30:04,917 --> 00:30:05,684
present to you what I thinks a

638
00:30:05,684 --> 00:30:08,840
innovative financial tools that

639
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:10,756
is help making this possible.

640
00:30:10,756 --> 00:30:13,192
So to set the stage, I want to

641
00:30:13,192 --> 00:30:15,961
remind folks of some of the key

642
00:30:15,961 --> 00:30:18,263
changes made by the inflation

643
00:30:18,263 --> 00:30:20,298
reduction act. This is the

644
00:30:20,298 --> 00:30:22,698
largest climate investment in

645
00:30:22,801 --> 00:30:26,401
human history. Some of it is

646
00:30:26,972 --> 00:30:28,973
available via grants which we're

647
00:30:28,973 --> 00:30:30,909
pursuing. The the bulk, tax

648
00:30:30,909 --> 00:30:33,478
credits, tax credits for clean

649
00:30:33,478 --> 00:30:35,147
energy, energy efficiency.

650
00:30:35,147 --> 00:30:35,848
Historically city government and

651
00:30:35,848 --> 00:30:37,116
not profit evennity at this

652
00:30:37,116 --> 00:30:38,884
times have had to partner with

653
00:30:38,884 --> 00:30:40,118
for profit entities to capture

654
00:30:40,118 --> 00:30:43,880
tax credits because we don't

655
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,900
have tax burden. One of the key

656
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:46,358
stipulations of inflation

657
00:30:46,358 --> 00:30:48,460
reduction act which is direct

658
00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:49,828
pay which makes all of those tax

659
00:30:49,828 --> 00:30:52,228
credits available to entities

660
00:30:54,165 --> 00:30:56,680
like us as cash back on our

661
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,680
investments. Thanks, crystal.

662
00:30:58,870 --> 00:31:01,206
There are a whole variety of

663
00:31:01,206 --> 00:31:03,709
clean energy solutions that are

664
00:31:03,709 --> 00:31:04,609
being incentivized through the

665
00:31:04,609 --> 00:31:06,678
inflation reduction act. They

666
00:31:06,678 --> 00:31:09,347
are outlined on the slides. I

667
00:31:09,347 --> 00:31:11,349
want to zoom in on combined heat

668
00:31:11,349 --> 00:31:14,119
and power. This allows the

669
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:17,560
project to move from a simple

670
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,924
processor into a net zero city

671
00:31:19,924 --> 00:31:21,924
facility by implementing

672
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:22,728
combined heat pow are, taking

673
00:31:22,728 --> 00:31:23,896
advantage of the inflation

674
00:31:23,896 --> 00:31:26,896
reduction act and getting all

675
00:31:27,166 --> 00:31:30,200
that money back. But there is a

676
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,769
cost premium to get there. And

677
00:31:31,769 --> 00:31:34,106
so many projects have that up

678
00:31:34,106 --> 00:31:35,400
front capital premium where the

679
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,143
dollars just aren't available.

680
00:31:37,143 --> 00:31:39,578
So we don't install solar, we

681
00:31:39,578 --> 00:31:41,380
don't go the beings interest

682
00:31:41,380 --> 00:31:44,316
mile. The tile want to talk to

683
00:31:44,316 --> 00:31:45,618
you about provides that advanced

684
00:31:45,618 --> 00:31:48,618
funding. Before we get there,

685
00:31:51,724 --> 00:31:53,793
next slide, please. Beyond just

686
00:31:53,793 --> 00:31:55,294
cash back, the availability of

687
00:31:55,294 --> 00:31:57,429
different types of tax credits

688
00:31:57,429 --> 00:31:59,829
has expanded drastically. So,

689
00:32:00,866 --> 00:32:02,401
you have a default 30% renewable

690
00:32:02,401 --> 00:32:04,269
energy credit that comes back to

691
00:32:04,269 --> 00:32:05,237
us, but then there are

692
00:32:05,237 --> 00:32:08,237
additional credits if at the

693
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:09,344
time cited on a brown field,

694
00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:09,708
additional credits if it is

695
00:32:09,708 --> 00:32:10,776
american made product,

696
00:32:10,776 --> 00:32:12,978
additional credits if it

697
00:32:12,978 --> 00:32:15,147
benefits a low income community.

698
00:32:15,147 --> 00:32:18,840
So these different layers of tax

699
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,786
credits can stack up to 60-07%

700
00:32:20,786 --> 00:32:22,955
back on these investments.

701
00:32:22,955 --> 00:32:26,555
clean energy on sale we have

702
00:32:29,795 --> 00:32:30,930
never seen before. So in

703
00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:32,300
partnership with direct

704
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:34,300
developmental disabilities'

705
00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:36,402
director or oes has been working

706
00:32:36,402 --> 00:32:38,570
to create a revolving energy

707
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:40,973
loan fund. This fund is.

708
00:32:40,973 --> 00:32:42,208
Seed funded with $2 million of

709
00:32:42,208 --> 00:32:43,142
our green cincinnati plan

710
00:32:43,142 --> 00:32:45,142
implementation money. The

711
00:32:45,478 --> 00:32:47,279
concepts here is when we have a

712
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:48,714
project like the biochar

713
00:32:48,714 --> 00:32:50,182
processor that has this

714
00:32:50,182 --> 00:32:52,151
financing gap that can be filled

715
00:32:52,151 --> 00:32:54,285
by direct pay, but you need

716
00:32:54,285 --> 00:32:56,388
those dollars up front. This

717
00:32:56,388 --> 00:32:58,557
fund can advance the money to

718
00:32:58,557 --> 00:33:00,192
the project, make the project

719
00:33:00,192 --> 00:33:02,592
happen, with the understanding

720
00:33:05,398 --> 00:33:06,765
that when the direct pay it

721
00:33:06,765 --> 00:33:09,165
replenishings this fund. It

722
00:33:09,235 --> 00:33:10,769
makes this projects happen,

723
00:33:10,769 --> 00:33:11,904
capture, maximize the benefit

724
00:33:11,904 --> 00:33:14,904
from the federal government and

725
00:33:15,574 --> 00:33:17,376
do it over and over again in

726
00:33:17,376 --> 00:33:19,776
perpetuity. This project and

727
00:33:20,112 --> 00:33:22,615
what is before you today is a

728
00:33:22,615 --> 00:33:24,615
consideration of a

729
00:33:24,717 --> 00:33:26,586
850,000-dollar allocation to the

730
00:33:26,586 --> 00:33:28,721
biochar project, to get them to

731
00:33:28,721 --> 00:33:29,655
the finish line with the

732
00:33:29,655 --> 00:33:32,550
understanding between parks and

733
00:33:32,558 --> 00:33:34,860
the fund that when the dollars

734
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:38,460
are returned they are come back

735
00:33:39,165 --> 00:33:41,634
to this account. I want to

736
00:33:41,634 --> 00:33:43,680
point out that this is one of

737
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,338
many projects across the city

738
00:33:45,338 --> 00:33:46,405
that can take advantage of these

739
00:33:46,405 --> 00:33:49,405
types of funds, take advantage

740
00:33:50,476 --> 00:33:52,440
of these fed ran incentives,

741
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,645
outlined a variety here as we

742
00:33:53,645 --> 00:33:55,448
think about deferred maintenance

743
00:33:55,448 --> 00:33:57,216
and investments in our capital

744
00:33:57,216 --> 00:33:59,216
infrastructure, this revolving

745
00:33:59,752 --> 00:34:02,540
loan fund can help our

746
00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:04,957
renovation of facility x also

747
00:34:04,957 --> 00:34:07,393
add solar, add battery back up,

748
00:34:07,393 --> 00:34:10,993
take our facilities to net zero,

749
00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:13,166
reduce, eliminate our ongoing

750
00:34:13,166 --> 00:34:15,566
utility operation expenses. I

751
00:34:16,135 --> 00:34:18,804
want to splenoma this works but

752
00:34:18,804 --> 00:34:20,840
also wet your apparent type for

753
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,641
future projects appetite for

754
00:34:21,641 --> 00:34:23,309
future projects.

755
00:34:23,309 --> 00:34:25,745
>> and so that end when we were

756
00:34:25,745 --> 00:34:27,446
here just a month or so ago for

757
00:34:27,446 --> 00:34:28,381
our budget presentation,

758
00:34:28,381 --> 00:34:30,549
councilmember walsh asked me

759
00:34:30,549 --> 00:34:31,350
about kind of what our next

760
00:34:31,350 --> 00:34:33,252
capital projects that we're

761
00:34:33,252 --> 00:34:35,354
talking about. And we mentioned

762
00:34:35,354 --> 00:34:36,622
the facility where we're

763
00:34:36,622 --> 00:34:37,557
renovating that facility to

764
00:34:37,557 --> 00:34:39,859
bring it back on line and make

765
00:34:39,859 --> 00:34:41,930
it a world class center to

766
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:43,930
operate our eastern parks out

767
00:34:43,930 --> 00:34:44,897
of. Part of that will be about

768
00:34:44,897 --> 00:34:46,732
$400,000 that will go on top of

769
00:34:46,732 --> 00:34:48,968
that building. As I mention it

770
00:34:48,968 --> 00:34:50,636
had just a giant immediate metal

771
00:34:50,636 --> 00:34:53,105
build that's has a huge roof on

772
00:34:53,105 --> 00:34:55,108
it. It will produce more solar

773
00:34:55,108 --> 00:34:56,408
than we need to that site. We

774
00:34:56,408 --> 00:34:58,844
will put back into the grid or

775
00:34:58,844 --> 00:35:00,790
how to use it on other city

776
00:35:00,790 --> 00:35:02,315
facilities to pull that power

777
00:35:02,315 --> 00:35:03,282
out of it. We will be able to

778
00:35:03,282 --> 00:35:04,884
action sews these hopefully with

779
00:35:04,884 --> 00:35:06,185
your assistance access this

780
00:35:06,185 --> 00:35:07,620
revolving loan fund to help fund

781
00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:10,289
that project. Lots of future

782
00:35:10,289 --> 00:35:13,192
great work and great leadership

783
00:35:13,192 --> 00:35:16,662
by director kroner and the team

784
00:35:16,662 --> 00:35:18,297
at oes. And with that, we'll

785
00:35:18,297 --> 00:35:19,650
take questions.

786
00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:21,650
>> Councilmember Harris: thank

787
00:35:22,635 --> 00:35:25,438
you very much. That's really

788
00:35:25,438 --> 00:35:27,340
exciting work and the

789
00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:28,775
possibilities. Colleagues,

790
00:35:28,775 --> 00:35:29,575
councilmember jeffreys?

791
00:35:29,575 --> 00:35:31,110
>> Councilmember Jeffreys: love

792
00:35:31,110 --> 00:35:32,945
this stuff, and we were going

793
00:35:32,945 --> 00:35:35,148
back and forth a little over

794
00:35:35,148 --> 00:35:36,983
e-mail first, revolving fund

795
00:35:36,983 --> 00:35:37,784
no-brainer, it is in my budget

796
00:35:37,784 --> 00:35:39,752
priorities. It is the best

797
00:35:39,752 --> 00:35:43,890
investment we could make as a

798
00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:43,422
city because it replenishings it

799
00:35:43,422 --> 00:35:44,690
self.

800
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:46,793
A little put services

801
00:35:46,793 --> 00:35:48,661
announcement for that as we

802
00:35:48,661 --> 00:35:50,563
approach budget season. There

803
00:35:50,563 --> 00:35:51,864
were just one question and than

804
00:35:51,864 --> 00:35:55,464
a couple comments. So to our

805
00:35:55,902 --> 00:35:59,502
back and forth on this, the

806
00:35:59,571 --> 00:36:01,971
revenue potential of 200 to 300

807
00:36:03,343 --> 00:36:05,578
on a ongoing base I year 2, 3 is

808
00:36:05,578 --> 00:36:07,450
awesome, that's amazing. And I

809
00:36:07,450 --> 00:36:09,982
always wonder not to get ahead

810
00:36:09,982 --> 00:36:11,884
of ourselves, but the whole how

811
00:36:11,884 --> 00:36:14,320
I it adds up what could this be

812
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,289
in five years, what could it be

813
00:36:17,289 --> 00:36:20,920
could we do ten biochars so that

814
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:21,494
$300,000 a year is 3 million?

815
00:36:21,494 --> 00:36:23,563
, you know, like so I love your

816
00:36:23,563 --> 00:36:25,398
perspective on that. Not to get

817
00:36:25,398 --> 00:36:27,233
ahead of ourselves, but it is

818
00:36:27,233 --> 00:36:29,200
just interesting for us to think

819
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,904
about because the return on the

820
00:36:30,904 --> 00:36:32,572
investment is really substantial

821
00:36:32,572 --> 00:36:34,274
while we're doing kind of good

822
00:36:34,274 --> 00:36:36,242
for the environment. But it is

823
00:36:36,242 --> 00:36:37,943
a smart financial given all our

824
00:36:37,943 --> 00:36:39,679
budget challenges, a smart

825
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:40,779
financial decision. So any

826
00:36:40,779 --> 00:36:41,848
perspective on that. And I have

827
00:36:41,848 --> 00:36:43,516
one other question.

828
00:36:43,516 --> 00:36:44,984
>> excellent question,

829
00:36:44,984 --> 00:36:46,452
MR. CHAIRMAN, councilmember

830
00:36:46,452 --> 00:36:48,121
jeffreys, I really appreciate

831
00:36:48,121 --> 00:36:51,121
your ambition with this project.

832
00:36:51,891 --> 00:36:53,359
I've trying not to go into debt.

833
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:53,860
But there is quite a bit of

834
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:55,161
potential here.

835
00:36:55,161 --> 00:36:57,630
And one of the things we started

836
00:36:57,630 --> 00:36:58,330
out with originally looking at

837
00:36:58,330 --> 00:37:00,633
different technology and we

838
00:37:00,633 --> 00:37:01,968
early on made the decision to go

839
00:37:01,968 --> 00:37:04,904
with technology that could at

840
00:37:04,904 --> 00:37:07,240
least produce enough biochar to

841
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,800
make us be net for sure even

842
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:09,909
with those conservative

843
00:37:09,909 --> 00:37:11,944
estimates for production. I

844
00:37:11,944 --> 00:37:13,179
think there will be a couple

845
00:37:13,179 --> 00:37:15,181
different this that will govern

846
00:37:15,181 --> 00:37:16,883
how much biochar we can make.

847
00:37:16,883 --> 00:37:18,851
One will be how much wood waste

848
00:37:18,851 --> 00:37:20,520
do we have to turn into biochar.

849
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,880
Thinks you learn when you become

850
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,290
parks director. I had no idea

851
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:26,920
the amount of wood waste we were

852
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,920
producing continually. Based

853
00:37:28,394 --> 00:37:29,829
upon what we produce ourselves

854
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:32,465
throughout the park system we

855
00:37:32,465 --> 00:37:33,599
are confident we can produce

856
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,599
through our estimates. But you

857
00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:39,105
start to look at again baby

858
00:37:39,105 --> 00:37:40,473
steps as this grows and as we

859
00:37:40,473 --> 00:37:42,275
get better and better at it

860
00:37:42,275 --> 00:37:43,176
could we be and we talked to

861
00:37:43,176 --> 00:37:45,111
councilmember cramerding about

862
00:37:45,111 --> 00:37:47,130
and councilmember owens, could

863
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:48,681
we divert wood waste from

864
00:37:48,681 --> 00:37:50,617
landfills that could do not

865
00:37:50,617 --> 00:37:52,285
biochar facility and used to

866
00:37:52,285 --> 00:37:54,220
increase production?

867
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:55,550
Could we be the spot that

868
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:56,923
everybody takes their christmas

869
00:37:56,923 --> 00:37:58,792
tree at the end of the year or

870
00:37:58,792 --> 00:37:59,926
spot that everybody picks up

871
00:37:59,926 --> 00:38:01,193
their christmas tree when the

872
00:38:01,193 --> 00:38:02,595
city picks up christmas treats

873
00:38:02,595 --> 00:38:03,960
think bring it to us and that

874
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,764
becomes that?

875
00:38:04,764 --> 00:38:05,965
Could we be a spot currently

876
00:38:05,965 --> 00:38:07,200
there are private companies that

877
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,350
are, that we hire sometimes to

878
00:38:09,350 --> 00:38:10,603
do some of our too pruning and

879
00:38:10,603 --> 00:38:11,638
tree maintenance work, they are

880
00:38:11,638 --> 00:38:14,173
taking their wood waste some

881
00:38:14,173 --> 00:38:16,543
where else and probably paying

882
00:38:16,543 --> 00:38:19,110
rumpke or others to compost them

883
00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:20,146
or to dispose of them. Could we

884
00:38:20,146 --> 00:38:21,314
take that?

885
00:38:21,314 --> 00:38:23,149
Maybe which charge lessor maybe

886
00:38:23,149 --> 00:38:25,752
we just take it for free because

887
00:38:25,752 --> 00:38:27,354
we know we can turn it into

888
00:38:27,354 --> 00:38:28,188
biochar. There is a lot of

889
00:38:28,188 --> 00:38:28,955
possibility here.

890
00:38:28,955 --> 00:38:30,857
The other piece that is

891
00:38:30,857 --> 00:38:33,359
important to talk about is that

892
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:34,600
what does a cubic yard of

893
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,295
biochar cost?

894
00:38:35,295 --> 00:38:37,163
We know that if the vice mayor

895
00:38:37,163 --> 00:38:38,465
was going to buy a bag of it at

896
00:38:38,465 --> 00:38:39,666
lowes they are going to up

897
00:38:39,666 --> 00:38:41,835
charge that a lot because now

898
00:38:41,835 --> 00:38:43,903
you are down to a tiny amount.

899
00:38:43,903 --> 00:38:45,972
We are currently just looking at

900
00:38:45,972 --> 00:38:46,873
selling it in could you please i

901
00:38:46,873 --> 00:38:48,575
can yards to wholesalers that's

902
00:38:48,575 --> 00:38:50,911
the easiest for us to get out

903
00:38:50,911 --> 00:38:52,312
the door. We don't have a

904
00:38:52,312 --> 00:38:53,780
bagging facility or production,

905
00:38:53,780 --> 00:38:55,381
we might get there but for right

906
00:38:55,381 --> 00:38:57,284
now it is easiest to get it out

907
00:38:57,284 --> 00:38:59,919
the door and let a actual

908
00:38:59,919 --> 00:39:01,210
business deal with that. But we

909
00:39:01,210 --> 00:39:03,560
don't know what the market will

910
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,560
be like for that. Currently

911
00:39:06,293 --> 00:39:09,293
about the average is about $150

912
00:39:09,362 --> 00:39:12,531
per cubic yard for biochar whole

913
00:39:12,531 --> 00:39:14,934
sale. Can you find 250, $300 a

914
00:39:14,934 --> 00:39:17,170
cubic yard. There's lot of

915
00:39:17,170 --> 00:39:18,905
upside that we estimated low, we

916
00:39:18,905 --> 00:39:20,440
used 125 to assume that maybe to

917
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,477
get our market going we had to

918
00:39:24,477 --> 00:39:25,212
cut a deal like we'll give you a

919
00:39:25,212 --> 00:39:25,978
thousand could you please I can

920
00:39:25,978 --> 00:39:27,180
yards but discounted rate if you

921
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:29,482
take it off our hands. It could

922
00:39:29,482 --> 00:39:33,820
be the opposite, it could be

923
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:34,454
that company and ab will give us

924
00:39:34,454 --> 00:39:35,422
325, 345 because they are

925
00:39:35,422 --> 00:39:36,990
looking for that product. There

926
00:39:36,990 --> 00:39:39,526
is a lot of upside. That's just

927
00:39:39,526 --> 00:39:40,594
what we can produce. We're

928
00:39:40,594 --> 00:39:42,929
predicting question do about

929
00:39:42,929 --> 00:39:45,265
45%, growing to about 65-730%

930
00:39:45,265 --> 00:39:47,734
and settle in with this one

931
00:39:47,734 --> 00:39:49,102
machine around 90% production

932
00:39:49,102 --> 00:39:51,171
capacity. There is going to be

933
00:39:51,171 --> 00:39:52,872
some downtown. But to your

934
00:39:52,872 --> 00:39:55,742
point, could we buy a second

935
00:39:55,742 --> 00:39:57,276
machine, expand this separation?

936
00:39:57,276 --> 00:39:58,478
It will help our much waste

937
00:39:58,478 --> 00:40:00,113
question get our hands-on and

938
00:40:00,113 --> 00:40:03,160
the market for that. The scary

939
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,451
piece not scary but reality is

940
00:40:04,451 --> 00:40:05,886
sooner or later if we're making

941
00:40:05,886 --> 00:40:07,454
money a private business will

942
00:40:07,454 --> 00:40:09,156
come in and try to do it cheaper

943
00:40:09,156 --> 00:40:10,924
and different. We're trying not

944
00:40:10,924 --> 00:40:12,192
to get too far ahead 6

945
00:40:12,192 --> 00:40:13,693
ourselves. If we can produce

946
00:40:13,693 --> 00:40:15,695
enough for us to cover our

947
00:40:15,695 --> 00:40:16,563
operations and make our trees

948
00:40:16,563 --> 00:40:18,665
awesome, that's enough for us to

949
00:40:18,665 --> 00:40:22,936
want to get into. And if we can

950
00:40:22,936 --> 00:40:24,704
do other things to help inn

951
00:40:24,704 --> 00:40:26,740
croft invest in our parks

952
00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:27,974
invests and we're excited to see

953
00:40:27,974 --> 00:40:30,974
where it goes we're hopeful

954
00:40:31,110 --> 00:40:31,745
there is some upside here.

955
00:40:31,745 --> 00:40:32,546
>> Councilmember Jeffreys:

956
00:40:32,546 --> 00:40:36,146
carbon credits, you want to talk

957
00:40:36,582 --> 00:40:36,817
about how many there are, how

958
00:40:36,817 --> 00:40:39,817
that works, how this helps?

959
00:40:40,387 --> 00:40:41,922
>> so I got some notes here, let

960
00:40:41,922 --> 00:40:44,491
necessity see. It is a market

961
00:40:44,491 --> 00:40:47,491
that I don't understand super

962
00:40:48,762 --> 00:40:50,764
well and sam from our team can

963
00:40:50,764 --> 00:40:53,567
get you more information on t.

964
00:40:53,567 --> 00:40:54,934
But my understand they are

965
00:40:54,934 --> 00:40:56,136
offset credits and me work the

966
00:40:56,136 --> 00:40:59,136
carbon that we're saving other

967
00:40:59,673 --> 00:41:02,776
companies are able to buy and to

968
00:41:02,776 --> 00:41:04,378
use. That -- they are bought,

969
00:41:04,378 --> 00:41:06,513
there's multiplier on how much

970
00:41:06,513 --> 00:41:07,914
you offset and a multiply are

971
00:41:07,914 --> 00:41:09,182
for that and that relates to a

972
00:41:09,182 --> 00:41:10,817
market. It is kind of sold on

973
00:41:10,817 --> 00:41:12,686
an exchange, almost like the

974
00:41:12,686 --> 00:41:14,254
stock market. And he's done a

975
00:41:14,254 --> 00:41:15,989
tremendous amount of research

976
00:41:15,989 --> 00:41:17,124
into how does that market work,

977
00:41:17,124 --> 00:41:18,525
what are the rates?

978
00:41:18,525 --> 00:41:19,192
Do we have to pay a percentage

979
00:41:19,192 --> 00:41:21,192
of that?

980
00:41:21,795 --> 00:41:23,797
It is almost like a transaction

981
00:41:23,797 --> 00:41:25,265
fee on a credit card, we have to

982
00:41:25,265 --> 00:41:26,266
pay that to the system. We're

983
00:41:26,266 --> 00:41:27,566
estimating only getting we're

984
00:41:27,566 --> 00:41:28,935
doing the same thing we're

985
00:41:28,935 --> 00:41:31,271
estimate that's we will have

986
00:41:31,271 --> 00:41:32,606
some slippage, we won't be super

987
00:41:32,606 --> 00:41:34,274
successful at it. We're

988
00:41:34,274 --> 00:41:36,274
estimating about 50% realization

989
00:41:36,576 --> 00:41:38,679
of those credits in year 1 and

990
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:40,948
hopingably year 2 and 3 we move

991
00:41:40,948 --> 00:41:42,820
that up so that we'll be able to

992
00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:44,618
sell on the market. That will

993
00:41:44,618 --> 00:41:46,720
be determined based upon what is

994
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:47,821
the rate for, what is the going

995
00:41:47,821 --> 00:41:49,189
rate for those credits at the

996
00:41:49,189 --> 00:41:50,790
time that we take them to market

997
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:53,460
to sell them. But it is also

998
00:41:53,460 --> 00:41:54,940
could be a tremendous

999
00:41:54,940 --> 00:41:56,163
partnership on or about

1000
00:41:56,163 --> 00:41:56,830
sponsorship opportunity, right?

1001
00:41:56,830 --> 00:41:58,732
so all of the marriage or

1002
00:41:58,732 --> 00:42:00,334
companies that you are meet with

1003
00:42:00,334 --> 00:42:02,202
the headquarters of all day long

1004
00:42:02,202 --> 00:42:03,871
I for a host of different

1005
00:42:03,871 --> 00:42:06,239
things, many of them probably

1006
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,174
sat on the future commissions.

1007
00:42:07,174 --> 00:42:08,409
They have varia climate goals

1008
00:42:08,409 --> 00:42:09,977
and things they trying to

1009
00:42:09,977 --> 00:42:12,346
achieve. They are going to

1010
00:42:12,346 --> 00:42:14,548
market to buy carbon credits

1011
00:42:14,548 --> 00:42:16,517
elsewhere. They might carbon

1012
00:42:16,517 --> 00:42:18,185
credits that are produced in

1013
00:42:18,185 --> 00:42:19,887
arizona arizona or columbus.

1014
00:42:19,887 --> 00:42:22,422
Could you imagine a partnership

1015
00:42:22,422 --> 00:42:25,258
where name your local company x

1016
00:42:25,258 --> 00:42:27,658
buys their carbon credits

1017
00:42:28,528 --> 00:42:30,528
exclusively through cincinnati

1018
00:42:30,964 --> 00:42:31,765
parks biochar project you get

1019
00:42:31,765 --> 00:42:33,801
the local partnership piece that

1020
00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:35,135
could make it really fun. We're

1021
00:42:35,135 --> 00:42:38,135
confident we'll sell them even

1022
00:42:38,605 --> 00:42:39,706
to company z in alabama or dba

1023
00:42:39,706 --> 00:42:42,106
dba, but there is

1024
00:42:43,110 --> 00:42:44,745
dba dba dba and we could

1025
00:42:44,745 --> 00:42:46,280
sell those credits lowingly that

1026
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,214
will help them achieve their

1027
00:42:47,214 --> 00:42:49,820
goals as well.

1028
00:42:49,820 --> 00:42:50,884
>> one of the first tasks will

1029
00:42:50,884 --> 00:42:53,487
be a car bone analysis.

1030
00:42:53,487 --> 00:42:55,656
So how much carbon are we using

1031
00:42:55,656 --> 00:42:57,357
to produce it, how much carbon

1032
00:42:57,357 --> 00:42:58,892
does it take to get the material

1033
00:42:58,892 --> 00:42:59,993
from where it is produced to

1034
00:42:59,993 --> 00:43:02,393
where it ends up?

1035
00:43:02,562 --> 00:43:03,731
And then how much carbon are we

1036
00:43:03,731 --> 00:43:05,499
sequestering overall?

1037
00:43:05,499 --> 00:43:07,434
That lifecycle analysis is built

1038
00:43:07,434 --> 00:43:10,104
in the first year of the

1039
00:43:10,104 --> 00:43:13,104
operation, so as jason alluded

1040
00:43:13,306 --> 00:43:15,409
to sam with carbon harvest and

1041
00:43:15,409 --> 00:43:17,244
our team have been meet with

1042
00:43:17,244 --> 00:43:19,246
various broker even it advertise

1043
00:43:19,246 --> 00:43:20,914
to understand what does it look

1044
00:43:20,914 --> 00:43:22,349
likity international level and

1045
00:43:22,349 --> 00:43:23,917
the real deep dive what does

1046
00:43:23,917 --> 00:43:25,180
this look like at a city level.

1047
00:43:25,180 --> 00:43:27,540
I don't know that it has been

1048
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:30,540
done before. So we'll be

1049
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:30,891
piloting that whole field as

1050
00:43:30,891 --> 00:43:31,725
well.

1051
00:43:31,725 --> 00:43:33,594
>> Councilmember Harris: great.

1052
00:43:33,594 --> 00:43:34,261
Councilmember owens and then

1053
00:43:34,261 --> 00:43:35,229
PRESIDENT Pro tem parks.

1054
00:43:35,229 --> 00:43:37,229
>> Councilmember Owens: thank

1055
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:40,734
you. And happy earth day right

1056
00:43:40,734 --> 00:43:42,335
back at you. To start at

1057
00:43:42,335 --> 00:43:44,400
cincinnati zoo and how they have

1058
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,404
really looked at their

1059
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:49,740
operations and made them the

1060
00:43:50,277 --> 00:43:51,178
most sustainable ever, seeing

1061
00:43:51,178 --> 00:43:54,178
this innovation at the city

1062
00:43:54,214 --> 00:43:55,648
that's what we're doing, taking

1063
00:43:55,648 --> 00:43:57,170
operational costs and applying

1064
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:58,952
leveraging the I r a with that.

1065
00:43:58,952 --> 00:44:01,155
We're in the future right now.

1066
00:44:01,155 --> 00:44:04,755
And so thank you for positioning

1067
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,940
parks to be able to pursue the

1068
00:44:07,940 --> 00:44:09,940
bloomberg philanthropy support

1069
00:44:09,496 --> 00:44:10,497
in this. You answered a lot of

1070
00:44:10,497 --> 00:44:11,798
questions, some of which are

1071
00:44:11,798 --> 00:44:13,534
around revenue. In terms of

1072
00:44:13,534 --> 00:44:16,534
equipment that needs to be

1073
00:44:17,837 --> 00:44:18,172
purchased, is it the pie recall

1074
00:44:18,172 --> 00:44:20,172
cyst?

1075
00:44:20,307 --> 00:44:21,508
How do you pronounce it?

1076
00:44:21,508 --> 00:44:22,309
Is that that equipment that

1077
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:24,111
needs to be purchased.

1078
00:44:24,111 --> 00:44:26,511
>> that's what we sought

1079
00:44:26,646 --> 00:44:28,215
approval for from the park board

1080
00:44:28,215 --> 00:44:30,170
in FEBRUARY. We're under a

1081
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:31,485
initiative called complete

1082
00:44:31,485 --> 00:44:33,885
solutions and they are

1083
00:44:35,488 --> 00:44:37,491
essentially package together a

1084
00:44:37,491 --> 00:44:40,361
whole project for us, shredder

1085
00:44:40,361 --> 00:44:43,361
convey evens, feed bins, pie

1086
00:44:44,398 --> 00:44:45,131
recall cyst and the o r c. So

1087
00:44:45,131 --> 00:44:46,466
the big make major part that

1088
00:44:46,466 --> 00:44:48,402
we're at right now is getting

1089
00:44:48,402 --> 00:44:50,170
into contract with a mechanical

1090
00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:52,940
engineer to tie all these

1091
00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:54,407
components into the site.

1092
00:44:54,407 --> 00:44:56,609
>> Councilmember Owens: as it

1093
00:44:56,609 --> 00:44:59,379
relates to tree canopy and being

1094
00:44:59,379 --> 00:45:00,880
able to plant trees and

1095
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,283
healthier trees and all that, is

1096
00:45:02,283 --> 00:45:03,317
there an estimates on how quick

1097
00:45:03,317 --> 00:45:06,530
we can get there in

1098
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:06,353
neighborhoods that need it the

1099
00:45:06,353 --> 00:45:07,687
most?

1100
00:45:07,687 --> 00:45:11,887
>> the goal is like I said we

1101
00:45:12,193 --> 00:45:13,994
will be producing biochar next

1102
00:45:13,994 --> 00:45:15,996
year. City projects you nerves

1103
00:45:15,996 --> 00:45:17,130
want to guess early an up and

1104
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:18,432
running and we're rock he's

1105
00:45:18,432 --> 00:45:20,234
another that. Right?

1106
00:45:20,234 --> 00:45:22,436
We and the to see one of these

1107
00:45:22,436 --> 00:45:25,371
units live we had to drive tomo

1108
00:45:25,371 --> 00:45:27,241
m so tea it, a 9 hour, spent the

1109
00:45:27,241 --> 00:45:28,843
night, went and hung out a farm

1110
00:45:28,843 --> 00:45:30,945
and 9 hours back. In a day and

1111
00:45:30,945 --> 00:45:32,413
a half we were out and back awe

1112
00:45:32,413 --> 00:45:34,782
say amazing fath and got to see

1113
00:45:34,782 --> 00:45:36,383
it up close. And it helped us

1114
00:45:36,383 --> 00:45:38,252
decide this was the unit we

1115
00:45:38,252 --> 00:45:38,986
wanted because there's couple

1116
00:45:38,986 --> 00:45:41,288
different units we got to see

1117
00:45:41,288 --> 00:45:44,458
this live and in person it

1118
00:45:44,458 --> 00:45:47,361
worked well. Tet we met with

1119
00:45:47,361 --> 00:45:48,261
that farmer it would grow trees

1120
00:45:48,261 --> 00:45:49,290
twice as quick.

1121
00:45:49,290 --> 00:45:50,300
I wasn't

1122
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:52,700
smitherman you are about that

1123
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,700
but crystal has more scientific

1124
00:45:56,704 --> 00:45:58,704
knowledge. Estimated 44% better

1125
00:45:59,390 --> 00:46:00,941
tree canopy. When you become

1126
00:46:00,941 --> 00:46:04,450
parks degree a tree in the right

1127
00:46:04,450 --> 00:46:07,645
of way it has a 65% success

1128
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:09,490
right, 35% of the trees plant in

1129
00:46:09,490 --> 00:46:10,817
the right of way are gone in a

1130
00:46:10,817 --> 00:46:12,253
year. I will walk by and see

1131
00:46:12,253 --> 00:46:13,421
new trees and walk back a couple

1132
00:46:13,421 --> 00:46:15,188
months later and see that tree

1133
00:46:15,188 --> 00:46:18,188
gone in walking around downtown

1134
00:46:18,392 --> 00:46:20,294
with my dog. Can you see for

1135
00:46:20,294 --> 00:46:22,229
all the reasons she talked

1136
00:46:22,229 --> 00:46:25,366
about, salt, small tree we will,

1137
00:46:25,366 --> 00:46:27,467
all the pressures urban life has

1138
00:46:27,467 --> 00:46:29,103
on these and in a tree well and

1139
00:46:29,103 --> 00:46:31,405
this much water. Biochar will

1140
00:46:31,405 --> 00:46:33,107
be able to hold that water in,

1141
00:46:33,107 --> 00:46:34,442
hold those nutrients in and make

1142
00:46:34,442 --> 00:46:35,376
that tree that much more

1143
00:46:35,376 --> 00:46:38,376
successful. So you will see

1144
00:46:40,948 --> 00:46:42,450
that benefit for from?

1145
00:46:42,450 --> 00:46:45,353
I biochar and making the tree

1146
00:46:45,353 --> 00:46:46,454
that much quick. Sometimes hear

1147
00:46:46,454 --> 00:46:47,755
from are citizens that want to

1148
00:46:47,755 --> 00:46:49,323
cut a tree down in front of

1149
00:46:49,323 --> 00:46:51,192
their house, one of our street

1150
00:46:51,192 --> 00:46:52,920
tries and we got really great

1151
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,829
laws on the books that say you

1152
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:56,731
can cut a tree down, crystal is

1153
00:46:56,731 --> 00:46:57,965
certify arborist they value it

1154
00:46:57,965 --> 00:46:59,733
and that's a thousand dollar

1155
00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:01,680
tree. Now buying a new tree of

1156
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,700
the same isn't a thousand

1157
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:04,272
dollars that has lived, 10, 15,

1158
00:47:04,272 --> 00:47:05,606
20 years and treat a tree

1159
00:47:05,606 --> 00:47:07,241
canopy, you can't get that back

1160
00:47:07,241 --> 00:47:09,543
until it grows, it needs at

1161
00:47:09,543 --> 00:47:10,777
least 2010 years to provide that

1162
00:47:10,777 --> 00:47:12,446
again. That's why we protect it

1163
00:47:12,446 --> 00:47:14,348
and that's why cincinnati as

1164
00:47:14,348 --> 00:47:15,883
such a great tree canopy because

1165
00:47:15,883 --> 00:47:17,418
we value them. That will speed

1166
00:47:17,418 --> 00:47:18,653
up this cycle when you cut down

1167
00:47:18,653 --> 00:47:21,289
a tree you start to get that

1168
00:47:21,289 --> 00:47:22,890
back quicker, healthier tree, it

1169
00:47:22,890 --> 00:47:24,992
starts to cool the city and

1170
00:47:24,992 --> 00:47:27,992
achieve our climate goals. So,

1171
00:47:28,290 --> 00:47:30,131
that's a long way of saying we

1172
00:47:30,131 --> 00:47:32,400
think we will take some time to

1173
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,101
charge it with the manure from

1174
00:47:34,101 --> 00:47:37,370
greatly parks and I should just

1175
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:38,390
say we have said it a couple, to

1176
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:40,241
great parks has been a

1177
00:47:40,241 --> 00:47:43,241
tremendous partner it in. They

1178
00:47:43,811 --> 00:47:46,811
have put $3 million toward to

1179
00:47:47,948 --> 00:47:49,830
and a that awesome $300,000.

1180
00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:51,652
And biochar going in the ground

1181
00:47:51,652 --> 00:47:53,721
and this will make trees grow

1182
00:47:53,721 --> 00:47:55,455
quicker. Hopeful over 5-10

1183
00:47:55,455 --> 00:47:57,458
years and see a difference in

1184
00:47:57,458 --> 00:47:58,593
how quick they are growing and

1185
00:47:58,593 --> 00:47:58,926
how much tree canopy we are

1186
00:47:58,926 --> 00:47:59,961
getting.

1187
00:47:59,961 --> 00:48:01,629
>> and through partnerships with

1188
00:48:01,629 --> 00:48:03,364
uc we have professors that are

1189
00:48:03,364 --> 00:48:05,133
already kind of in line to begin

1190
00:48:05,133 --> 00:48:07,902
the research process to say like

1191
00:48:07,902 --> 00:48:09,403
what is the return on investing

1192
00:48:09,403 --> 00:48:13,300
in this technology and what are

1193
00:48:13,441 --> 00:48:16,441
we actually seeing in our

1194
00:48:18,450 --> 00:48:20,140
streetscapes.

1195
00:48:20,140 --> 00:48:22,140
>> Councilmember Parks: thank

1196
00:48:23,350 --> 00:48:25,753
you. Boy, this sounds exciting.

1197
00:48:25,753 --> 00:48:27,622
You know the collaboration,

1198
00:48:27,622 --> 00:48:30,622
working with great parks being

1199
00:48:34,262 --> 00:48:38,462
using the in a newer. You said

1200
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:45,106
it would be, what 5-1?

1201
00:48:45,106 --> 00:48:48,420
will you kindly explain again

1202
00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:51,612
what a car bone credit is to me?

1203
00:48:51,612 --> 00:48:52,547
I just -- I'm not sure I

1204
00:48:52,547 --> 00:48:53,247
understand.

1205
00:48:53,247 --> 00:48:55,116
>>

1206
00:48:55,116 --> 00:48:57,116
>> can I try?

1207
00:48:57,185 --> 00:49:00,185
So you certainly heard many

1208
00:49:00,688 --> 00:49:03,880
organizations commit to carbon

1209
00:49:03,424 --> 00:49:04,591
neutrality. This can do that by

1210
00:49:04,591 --> 00:49:06,594
eliminating their own emissions

1211
00:49:06,594 --> 00:49:08,463
like we're doing by adding

1212
00:49:08,463 --> 00:49:10,631
solar, electrifying our fleet.

1213
00:49:10,631 --> 00:49:11,999
Or can you do that by purchasing

1214
00:49:11,999 --> 00:49:13,801
offsets. So rather than a

1215
00:49:13,801 --> 00:49:16,201
hundred percent elimination of

1216
00:49:16,771 --> 00:49:19,700
of your you can buy offsets that

1217
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:21,776
help count down the total

1218
00:49:21,776 --> 00:49:23,111
emissions released. So there

1219
00:49:23,111 --> 00:49:25,446
are companies who don't have a

1220
00:49:25,446 --> 00:49:27,315
path way to achieving complete

1221
00:49:27,315 --> 00:49:29,170
carbon neutrality they look like

1222
00:49:29,170 --> 00:49:31,251
projects like this to purchase

1223
00:49:31,251 --> 00:49:32,587
carbon offsets to help them meet

1224
00:49:32,587 --> 00:49:34,550
their goals.

1225
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:36,570
>> Councilmember Parks: is this

1226
00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:38,570
like solar energy?

1227
00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:41,493
>> solar energy does decarbon

1228
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,960
eyes, it helps toward carbon

1229
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:47,902
neutrality. So, they are of the

1230
00:49:47,902 --> 00:49:49,370
same mission but this is a

1231
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:51,472
different type of project in

1232
00:49:51,472 --> 00:49:54,472
that it captures carbon. Soaks

1233
00:49:54,809 --> 00:49:58,212
it up and stories it in the

1234
00:49:58,212 --> 00:50:00,612
ground. Solar replaces cole

1235
00:50:02,717 --> 00:50:05,717
emissions so rather than burns

1236
00:50:07,254 --> 00:50:10,254
cool, coal without any carbon.

1237
00:50:12,227 --> 00:50:14,627
>> Councilmember Parks: got it.

1238
00:50:14,996 --> 00:50:17,996
Ohio long was this study?

1239
00:50:19,601 --> 00:50:22,437
How long did it take?

1240
00:50:22,437 --> 00:50:24,472
>> we started work on this when

1241
00:50:24,472 --> 00:50:26,207
I believe this pre dates me but

1242
00:50:26,207 --> 00:50:27,642
crystal started working on this

1243
00:50:27,642 --> 00:50:29,430
2021 when we found out about the

1244
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:30,178
opportunity we were invited,

1245
00:50:30,178 --> 00:50:33,460
right, to be one of the cities

1246
00:50:33,460 --> 00:50:34,248
that applied for this through

1247
00:50:34,248 --> 00:50:36,170
this bloomberg philanthropies

1248
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:37,886
grant and we were one of the 7

1249
00:50:37,886 --> 00:50:39,870
worldwide cities that got this

1250
00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:40,455
400,000-dollar grant that was

1251
00:50:40,455 --> 00:50:42,230
the seed money to get this

1252
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:43,925
project started. And so we have

1253
00:50:43,925 --> 00:50:45,727
been working on it for at least

1254
00:50:45,727 --> 00:50:48,129
3 years, three plus years but we

1255
00:50:48,129 --> 00:50:49,464
have a lot to learn. We got a

1256
00:50:49,464 --> 00:50:51,499
lot more to learn about carbon

1257
00:50:51,499 --> 00:50:53,535
credits as we do the lifecycle

1258
00:50:53,535 --> 00:50:54,869
analysis as part of our year one

1259
00:50:54,869 --> 00:50:56,404
start up costs and then as we

1260
00:50:56,404 --> 00:50:58,606
dig into this we're going to be

1261
00:50:58,606 --> 00:50:59,774
study it from the beginning.

1262
00:50:59,774 --> 00:51:01,342
This is, you know, a hundred

1263
00:51:01,342 --> 00:51:03,545
percent of pilot project. This

1264
00:51:03,545 --> 00:51:04,279
is saying there is nothing like

1265
00:51:04,279 --> 00:51:06,381
this comprehensive strategy in

1266
00:51:06,381 --> 00:51:07,182
the midwest. We want to

1267
00:51:07,182 --> 00:51:08,983
innovative and lead the way on

1268
00:51:08,983 --> 00:51:10,151
this and get this up and

1269
00:51:10,151 --> 00:51:11,452
running. This will be

1270
00:51:11,452 --> 00:51:12,720
educational and we're be

1271
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:14,589
learning and study it the whole

1272
00:51:14,589 --> 00:51:16,758
time we're doing it. So we hope

1273
00:51:16,758 --> 00:51:18,292
to replicate this for other city

1274
00:51:18,292 --> 00:51:20,610
gloves, we hope to replicate

1275
00:51:20,610 --> 00:51:21,629
this for other even for private

1276
00:51:21,629 --> 00:51:23,531
industry because ultimate goal

1277
00:51:23,531 --> 00:51:25,330
is healthier tries, capturing

1278
00:51:25,330 --> 00:51:28,330
that carbon, making sure that

1279
00:51:28,690 --> 00:51:29,300
the wood waste that's produced

1280
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:30,305
from storm or from other cutting

1281
00:51:30,305 --> 00:51:32,107
down of the trees, make sure

1282
00:51:32,107 --> 00:51:34,208
that's not just left to

1283
00:51:34,208 --> 00:51:35,809
decompose but is instead getting

1284
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:38,460
sequestered and returned to the

1285
00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:38,812
ground and deemed beneficial.

1286
00:51:38,812 --> 00:51:40,812
>> Councilmember Parks: that's

1287
00:51:41,117 --> 00:51:42,316
so cool. And who are the other

1288
00:51:42,316 --> 00:51:44,316
two cities?

1289
00:51:46,988 --> 00:51:48,988
>> minneapolis and lincoln

1290
00:51:50,358 --> 00:51:52,758
necessity net zero net

1291
00:51:55,630 --> 00:51:55,597
lincoln.

1292
00:51:55,597 --> 00:51:57,597
>> Councilmember Parks: the

1293
00:51:57,632 --> 00:51:58,366
trees will grow faster, what

1294
00:51:58,366 --> 00:52:00,366
about the roots?

1295
00:52:00,468 --> 00:52:03,238
>> that's why they are growing

1296
00:52:03,238 --> 00:52:04,873
fast, it improves the soil

1297
00:52:04,873 --> 00:52:07,208
texture and water holding

1298
00:52:07,208 --> 00:52:09,611
capacity which will allot root

1299
00:52:09,611 --> 00:52:12,247
system to grow more expo then

1300
00:52:12,247 --> 00:52:15,183
alley and absorb more nutrients

1301
00:52:15,183 --> 00:52:17,452
and water as it grows. So what

1302
00:52:17,452 --> 00:52:20,455
you see above should be at least

1303
00:52:20,455 --> 00:52:22,290
equal to what you see below root

1304
00:52:22,290 --> 00:52:23,925
wise. And one of the biggest

1305
00:52:23,925 --> 00:52:25,994
issues that trees run into

1306
00:52:25,994 --> 00:52:27,228
especially in a urban

1307
00:52:27,228 --> 00:52:29,628
environment it come amount

1308
00:52:30,798 --> 00:52:31,800
pacted poor quality low

1309
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,800
nutrients soil.

1310
00:52:34,269 --> 00:52:36,504
>> we were here a year ago for

1311
00:52:36,504 --> 00:52:38,730
budget presentation and had that

1312
00:52:38,730 --> 00:52:39,574
picture of biochar and that

1313
00:52:39,574 --> 00:52:42,611
picture of dirt we were able to

1314
00:52:42,611 --> 00:52:44,379
pour almost a entire pitch into

1315
00:52:44,379 --> 00:52:46,470
that biochar. It won't hold

1316
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:47,716
that much because it will have

1317
00:52:47,716 --> 00:52:48,950
some manure in it but it will

1318
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:51,920
hold that much more water,

1319
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,255
whether he it rains it rains the

1320
00:52:54,255 --> 00:52:55,824
water all a hits that dirt and

1321
00:52:55,824 --> 00:52:57,191
runs off and enters the storm

1322
00:52:57,191 --> 00:52:58,827
system or it dries up real quick

1323
00:52:58,827 --> 00:53:00,595
because it is that compacted

1324
00:53:00,595 --> 00:53:01,930
dirt t dirt and doesn't got to

1325
00:53:01,930 --> 00:53:04,566
the bottom. This will hold more

1326
00:53:04,566 --> 00:53:05,800
water for longer periods of time

1327
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,502
which means the tree will have

1328
00:53:07,502 --> 00:53:10,272
access to that walter monday and

1329
00:53:10,272 --> 00:53:12,272
continue to grow.

1330
00:53:12,874 --> 00:53:13,642
>> we're only looking at it from

1331
00:53:13,642 --> 00:53:15,343
a tremendous perspective because

1332
00:53:15,343 --> 00:53:17,178
that's our business, but the

1333
00:53:17,178 --> 00:53:19,578
applications for biochar do

1334
00:53:19,848 --> 00:53:21,650
extend to storm water cleaning,

1335
00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:23,919
prevention, offset, there is a

1336
00:53:23,919 --> 00:53:26,955
whole other world in which if we

1337
00:53:26,955 --> 00:53:30,391
were msd present this we would

1338
00:53:30,391 --> 00:53:32,260
be do it storm water water

1339
00:53:32,260 --> 00:53:34,396
holding capacity. We can

1340
00:53:34,396 --> 00:53:36,698
increase biochar into a concrete

1341
00:53:36,698 --> 00:53:38,900
as an adtive that the

1342
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:41,300
possibilities are really endless

1343
00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:44,171
as far as the applications.

1344
00:53:44,171 --> 00:53:45,540
Essentially straight today than

1345
00:53:45,540 --> 00:53:47,909
carbon when a bring the a filter

1346
00:53:47,909 --> 00:53:49,110
it is running through a car bone

1347
00:53:49,110 --> 00:53:51,790
filter. So this essential the

1348
00:53:51,790 --> 00:53:54,790
same thing only we're charging

1349
00:53:54,215 --> 00:53:55,317
the carbon with the any trientes

1350
00:53:55,317 --> 00:53:57,119
and incorporating it into the

1351
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:58,386
ground. It could have other

1352
00:53:58,386 --> 00:53:59,321
applications for other entities

1353
00:53:59,321 --> 00:54:00,488
in the city.

1354
00:54:00,488 --> 00:54:01,923
>> Councilmember Harris: lots of

1355
00:54:01,923 --> 00:54:02,624
opportunity. We'll conclude

1356
00:54:02,624 --> 00:54:04,624
therewith councilmember anna

1357
00:54:05,594 --> 00:54:06,995
albi and then jeffreys.

1358
00:54:06,995 --> 00:54:09,998
>> first I was going to ask you

1359
00:54:09,998 --> 00:54:12,501
on touch on that use for storm

1360
00:54:12,501 --> 00:54:13,668
water management and amiable you

1361
00:54:13,668 --> 00:54:17,772
were able to touch on that. In

1362
00:54:17,772 --> 00:54:19,674
terms of a quickly you know with

1363
00:54:19,674 --> 00:54:22,430
the wood waste usual mentions

1364
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:23,945
wood waste, city does yard waste

1365
00:54:23,945 --> 00:54:25,747
collection is there any way to

1366
00:54:25,747 --> 00:54:27,649
use what residents are producing

1367
00:54:27,649 --> 00:54:28,450
for this or does it have to be

1368
00:54:28,450 --> 00:54:29,885
strictly wood?

1369
00:54:29,885 --> 00:54:32,220
>> there is a lot that goes into

1370
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:35,220
that and another thing that

1371
00:54:37,959 --> 00:54:39,127
we'll study we start with the

1372
00:54:39,127 --> 00:54:41,363
woofed we'd whoa know how much

1373
00:54:41,363 --> 00:54:42,464
debris or outside come

1374
00:54:42,464 --> 00:54:45,266
contamination is in that and it

1375
00:54:45,266 --> 00:54:48,266
should be relatively pure. One

1376
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:55,677
of the things making sure that

1377
00:54:55,677 --> 00:54:57,979
that we produce unique or not

1378
00:54:57,979 --> 00:55:01,579
unique a consistent type of wood

1379
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:02,870
chip that's why we have this

1380
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:05,687
fancy shredder that we will be

1381
00:55:06,855 --> 00:55:07,522
used to get the wood chips. And

1382
00:55:07,522 --> 00:55:08,290
go us throat system and end

1383
00:55:08,290 --> 00:55:11,290
product to have some consistency

1384
00:55:12,494 --> 00:55:14,196
to it. But you also want and be

1385
00:55:14,196 --> 00:55:17,990
consistent as you don't throwing

1386
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:19,499
the system up. Forty-five

1387
00:55:21,103 --> 00:55:23,500
proper decks year and 08% it is

1388
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:24,572
those contaminants or out if a

1389
00:55:24,572 --> 00:55:25,908
piece of metal in our wood that

1390
00:55:25,908 --> 00:55:28,176
could brick the machine and now

1391
00:55:28,176 --> 00:55:29,811
you are down for a day or two

1392
00:55:29,811 --> 00:55:32,414
and bringing in a cop to fix it.

1393
00:55:32,414 --> 00:55:34,150
If it has like a bunch of grass

1394
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:35,417
clippings, they just purpose

1395
00:55:35,417 --> 00:55:37,652
burn off loading it in with not

1396
00:55:37,652 --> 00:55:38,754
much tree but a whole lot of

1397
00:55:38,754 --> 00:55:41,560
other yard waste that's just

1398
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,724
burning off right away. And so

1399
00:55:42,724 --> 00:55:44,159
our hope is to start we're going

1400
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:47,362
to do what we bring 23 because

1401
00:55:47,362 --> 00:55:49,164
we know how much leafy it is, we

1402
00:55:49,164 --> 00:55:51,166
know what, we can control what

1403
00:55:51,166 --> 00:55:52,501
we put into the bin. As we move

1404
00:55:52,501 --> 00:55:54,903
forward though we do think there

1405
00:55:54,903 --> 00:55:56,271
is a tun of opportunity to maybe

1406
00:55:56,271 --> 00:55:57,973
take ought christmas trees.

1407
00:55:57,973 --> 00:55:59,374
That easy to tell there is no

1408
00:55:59,374 --> 00:56:01,910
bulks on there, we start to

1409
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:04,846
have, but we have to educate

1410
00:56:04,846 --> 00:56:07,516
here is our tree debris, leaf

1411
00:56:07,516 --> 00:56:10,118
debris, yard waste debris, tree

1412
00:56:10,118 --> 00:56:10,819
debris or maybe we'll need a

1413
00:56:10,819 --> 00:56:13,219
interim facility where we'll

1414
00:56:13,487 --> 00:56:14,523
sort it and have like system

1415
00:56:14,523 --> 00:56:16,391
which I don't know how it would

1416
00:56:16,391 --> 00:56:17,926
work where we can eliminate out.

1417
00:56:17,926 --> 00:56:20,162
But we could get there. But we

1418
00:56:20,162 --> 00:56:21,163
don't know for sure. That's

1419
00:56:21,163 --> 00:56:22,364
kind of like councilmember

1420
00:56:22,364 --> 00:56:24,500
jeffreys asked a lot of

1421
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:25,333
questions about what's the big

1422
00:56:25,333 --> 00:56:26,902
end 6 of the this?

1423
00:56:26,902 --> 00:56:28,403
You can start to see a lot of

1424
00:56:28,403 --> 00:56:29,972
uses for it but we'll start with

1425
00:56:29,972 --> 00:56:31,540
the yard waste or tree waste we

1426
00:56:31,540 --> 00:56:32,573
have and then get better at it

1427
00:56:32,573 --> 00:56:34,420
and learn more.

1428
00:56:34,420 --> 00:56:35,244
>> I appreciate that, I could

1429
00:56:35,244 --> 00:56:37,644
see partnership with other

1430
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:38,913
nearby municipalities, also

1431
00:56:38,913 --> 00:56:40,382
partnering with you especially

1432
00:56:40,382 --> 00:56:42,484
if we feel like we need more

1433
00:56:42,484 --> 00:56:44,386
wood waste. I want to finish

1434
00:56:44,386 --> 00:56:46,221
with this. It is cool to see a

1435
00:56:46,221 --> 00:56:48,560
green solution that also makes

1436
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:49,959
economical sense. So very

1437
00:56:49,959 --> 00:56:51,860
excited to be investing in

1438
00:56:51,860 --> 00:56:53,562
something that's green and good

1439
00:56:53,562 --> 00:56:56,562
for the environment and also

1440
00:56:57,699 --> 00:56:58,467
makes money.

1441
00:56:58,467 --> 00:56:59,534
>> Councilmember Cramerding:

1442
00:56:59,534 --> 00:57:02,370
thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. As we

1443
00:57:02,370 --> 00:57:04,437
talk about removing honeysuckle

1444
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:07,342
one of our most predominant

1445
00:57:07,342 --> 00:57:08,577
invasives. Will honeysuckle be

1446
00:57:08,577 --> 00:57:11,113
considered part of the wood

1447
00:57:11,113 --> 00:57:12,114
waste stream, can we put it in

1448
00:57:12,114 --> 00:57:14,114
the facility?

1449
00:57:14,182 --> 00:57:16,251
>> yes, most of the honeysuckle

1450
00:57:16,251 --> 00:57:17,519
we're chip ago long roadways and

1451
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:18,921
things like that, we're not

1452
00:57:18,921 --> 00:57:20,622
going to be necessarily pulling

1453
00:57:20,622 --> 00:57:22,290
the honeysuckle out forest to

1454
00:57:22,290 --> 00:57:24,693
chip it. We don't want to add

1455
00:57:24,693 --> 00:57:27,528
to the stress of our operations

1456
00:57:27,528 --> 00:57:29,980
because we're already producing

1457
00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:29,998
enough un. They have outfits

1458
00:57:29,998 --> 00:57:32,101
where can you fake them into the

1459
00:57:32,101 --> 00:57:33,535
field, a smaller air burn e

1460
00:57:33,535 --> 00:57:36,271
burners and we have piloted a

1461
00:57:36,271 --> 00:57:38,373
couple of those and partnership

1462
00:57:38,373 --> 00:57:40,309
with ground work and carbon

1463
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:41,944
harvest so the opportunity turns

1464
00:57:41,944 --> 00:57:42,811
are there but it is also good to

1465
00:57:42,811 --> 00:57:45,811
leave that material in the

1466
00:57:45,814 --> 00:57:46,115
forest to allow it to break

1467
00:57:46,115 --> 00:57:46,882
down.

1468
00:57:46,882 --> 00:57:47,483
>> Councilmember Cramerding:

1469
00:57:47,483 --> 00:57:49,318
including honeysuckle?

1470
00:57:49,318 --> 00:57:51,718
>> once it is cut.

1471
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:53,322
>> one of the, it n point one of

1472
00:57:53,322 --> 00:57:55,323
the cool things about this is

1473
00:57:55,323 --> 00:57:57,590
that as we replant in the

1474
00:57:57,590 --> 00:57:58,394
forest, a we remove the honey

1475
00:57:58,394 --> 00:58:00,195
sickle it is strangled out what

1476
00:58:00,195 --> 00:58:01,630
should be there. As we

1477
00:58:01,630 --> 00:58:02,898
replanned trees on the right of

1478
00:58:02,898 --> 00:58:05,333
way we want to plant a tree

1479
00:58:05,333 --> 00:58:07,168
that's a income inch to inch and

1480
00:58:07,168 --> 00:58:09,705
a half thick. Before that it is

1481
00:58:09,705 --> 00:58:12,274
more susceptible to death. In

1482
00:58:12,274 --> 00:58:14,643
the forest we can plant much

1483
00:58:14,643 --> 00:58:15,610
smaller trees, those trees we

1484
00:58:15,610 --> 00:58:17,646
planted with biochar and they

1485
00:58:17,646 --> 00:58:19,648
will grow quick, not just trees

1486
00:58:19,648 --> 00:58:22,830
but under store, under brush all

1487
00:58:22,830 --> 00:58:24,520
that will start to grow much

1488
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:25,454
quicker and will reforest these

1489
00:58:25,454 --> 00:58:27,890
areas we're clearing out that

1490
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:27,856
much quicker.

1491
00:58:27,856 --> 00:58:28,590
>> Councilmember Cramerding:

1492
00:58:28,590 --> 00:58:30,225
with the biochar we can plant a

1493
00:58:30,225 --> 00:58:33,225
more diverse array of trees?

1494
00:58:33,996 --> 00:58:36,565
I know that beech trees have

1495
00:58:36,565 --> 00:58:39,335
been hit with global warm along

1496
00:58:39,335 --> 00:58:41,136
hickory are slow grower, os we

1497
00:58:41,136 --> 00:58:42,838
can plant more diverse array

1498
00:58:42,838 --> 00:58:44,838
with the biochar?

1499
00:58:45,106 --> 00:58:46,375
>> absolutely, and honestly

1500
00:58:46,375 --> 00:58:49,375
relation to what jason was

1501
00:58:49,545 --> 00:58:51,280
talking about growing whips,

1502
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,648
small trees, we will have

1503
00:58:52,648 --> 00:58:54,650
biochar facility there, we will

1504
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:56,500
line them out essentially be

1505
00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:58,286
already, we are already

1506
00:58:58,286 --> 00:58:59,588
collecting native seed from

1507
00:58:59,588 --> 00:59:01,900
trees, we're starting to grow

1508
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:03,910
them in the greenhouse, but this

1509
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:04,260
would allow to us ramp up that

1510
00:59:04,260 --> 00:59:06,426
production. That's would be

1511
00:59:09,431 --> 00:59:12,267
then planted within the forest

1512
00:59:12,267 --> 00:59:13,100
itself. Yeah.

1513
00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:15,103
>> Vice Mayor Kearney: I was

1514
00:59:15,103 --> 00:59:18,641
just telling you I wanted some,

1515
00:59:18,641 --> 00:59:19,375
that's was it.

1516
00:59:19,375 --> 00:59:20,750
>> Councilmember Harris: and

1517
00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:22,377
PRESIDENT Pro tem parks, did

1518
00:59:22,377 --> 00:59:26,577
you, I didn't mean to cut your

1519
00:59:26,648 --> 00:59:28,784
questions short. I did not.

1520
00:59:28,784 --> 00:59:31,554
Okay. I, you know, I did not

1521
00:59:31,554 --> 00:59:35,154
know that we had such an

1522
00:59:35,591 --> 00:59:37,526
interest in arbor are you and/or

1523
00:59:37,526 --> 00:59:40,596
bore it pursues on this dais.

1524
00:59:40,596 --> 00:59:41,997
I'm impressed by the depth of

1525
00:59:41,997 --> 00:59:43,466
the questions that my colleagues

1526
00:59:43,466 --> 00:59:47,360
have asked. It is really cool.

1527
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:48,170
It is really cool. Thank you so

1528
00:59:48,170 --> 00:59:49,738
much.

1529
00:59:49,738 --> 00:59:51,738
>> thank you.

1530
00:59:51,874 --> 00:59:53,874
>> Councilmember Harris: all

1531
01:00:00,149 --> 01:00:02,549
right. 616 race street, you're

1532
01:00:16,298 --> 01:00:17,199
up.

1533
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:18,967
>> good afternoon and to the

1534
01:00:18,967 --> 01:00:21,967
members of the committee. We

1535
01:00:23,739 --> 01:00:24,673
have prepared a presentation for

1536
01:00:24,673 --> 01:00:25,841
served 616 race street

1537
01:00:25,841 --> 01:00:27,810
investigatement agreement. This

1538
01:00:27,810 --> 01:00:31,146
item 2 on the agenda. Today I'm

1539
01:00:31,146 --> 01:00:33,883
joined by MR. Adam gelter with

1540
01:00:33,883 --> 01:00:36,285
3cdc, along with MR. Patel with

1541
01:00:36,285 --> 01:00:37,919
the keystone development group.

1542
01:00:37,919 --> 01:00:39,321
Adam, take it away.

1543
01:00:39,321 --> 01:00:42,921
>> we had a chance to connect

1544
01:00:43,592 --> 01:00:44,660
with most of you, MR. CHAIRMAN,

1545
01:00:44,660 --> 01:00:47,630
members, thank you for having.

1546
01:00:47,630 --> 01:00:49,632
I had a chance to connect with

1547
01:00:49,632 --> 01:00:50,932
most of you on this project and

1548
01:00:50,932 --> 01:00:53,869
we're excited to be here.

1549
01:00:53,869 --> 01:00:56,772
It has been a long road for 3cdc

1550
01:00:56,772 --> 01:00:58,573
and keystone to get to this

1551
01:00:58,573 --> 01:01:00,973
point. The building we're

1552
01:01:01,477 --> 01:01:03,579
talking about, it is actually 2

1553
01:01:03,579 --> 01:01:05,979
buildings at 616 race street

1554
01:01:06,115 --> 01:01:07,582
race street we purchased these

1555
01:01:07,582 --> 01:01:08,784
properties the land lease for

1556
01:01:08,784 --> 01:01:10,119
these properties from

1557
01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:13,656
MR. Chopping who operated for a

1558
01:01:13,656 --> 01:01:16,656
long time congress inc. Store

1559
01:01:16,926 --> 01:01:19,228
and this space it was closing

1560
01:01:19,228 --> 01:01:21,300
that store. And really want to

1561
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:22,898
make sure this is a important

1562
01:01:22,898 --> 01:01:25,898
piece of the overall convention

1563
01:01:27,303 --> 01:01:28,837
district and with the hoe tells

1564
01:01:28,837 --> 01:01:30,390
both keystone group and others

1565
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:32,108
have developed north of here on

1566
01:01:32,108 --> 01:01:33,843
race street. I want to make

1567
01:01:33,843 --> 01:01:35,678
this a seamless district. And

1568
01:01:35,678 --> 01:01:37,447
this block in particular has

1569
01:01:37,447 --> 01:01:39,648
some challenges with vacancies

1570
01:01:39,648 --> 01:01:41,751
and uses that weren't adding

1571
01:01:41,751 --> 01:01:44,151
productive things to the

1572
01:01:44,987 --> 01:01:46,389
downtown vibrancy. And so we

1573
01:01:46,389 --> 01:01:48,957
purchased this without a plan

1574
01:01:48,957 --> 01:01:51,894
for it, other than to get

1575
01:01:51,894 --> 01:01:53,563
control. And we demolished the

1576
01:01:53,563 --> 01:01:54,896
facade that was put offer the

1577
01:01:54,896 --> 01:01:56,966
original historic building, did

1578
01:01:56,966 --> 01:01:58,167
all the interior abate and

1579
01:01:58,167 --> 01:01:59,769
looked at a number ever

1580
01:01:59,769 --> 01:02:01,404
different uses for this space

1581
01:02:01,404 --> 01:02:03,105
over the past 3 or 4 years as we

1582
01:02:03,105 --> 01:02:05,408
have been working on this. And

1583
01:02:05,408 --> 01:02:07,410
this map shows you in the

1584
01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:08,444
context of the convention center

1585
01:02:08,444 --> 01:02:10,246
district where this property

1586
01:02:10,246 --> 01:02:12,130
sits and again the connection to

1587
01:02:12,130 --> 01:02:12,848
those hotels, but ultimately the

1588
01:02:12,848 --> 01:02:14,848
connection to over-the-rhine

1589
01:02:14,850 --> 01:02:16,385
which is one of our strongest

1590
01:02:16,385 --> 01:02:19,210
assets here in cincinnati. But

1591
01:02:19,210 --> 01:02:20,556
that district to get to our

1592
01:02:20,556 --> 01:02:23,392
visitors to have a seem less

1593
01:02:23,392 --> 01:02:24,927
walk up there from the

1594
01:02:24,927 --> 01:02:27,927
convention center. So here is

1595
01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:30,533
the building that I MAY

1596
01:02:30,533 --> 01:02:32,968
remember. And again we took off

1597
01:02:32,968 --> 01:02:34,369
that facade and found a pretty

1598
01:02:34,369 --> 01:02:36,769
spectacular building on the

1599
01:02:37,540 --> 01:02:39,475
other side. But I think once

1600
01:02:39,475 --> 01:02:42,111
the keystone group restores it

1601
01:02:42,111 --> 01:02:44,480
and even would have more

1602
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,782
excitingly the original building

1603
01:02:45,782 --> 01:02:47,616
had 6 stories, there was a fire

1604
01:02:47,616 --> 01:02:49,719
at some point and they

1605
01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:51,253
demolished the upper two floors.

1606
01:02:51,253 --> 01:02:52,188
And so the plan is to bring

1607
01:02:52,188 --> 01:02:53,823
those floors back to the

1608
01:02:53,823 --> 01:02:55,925
building and restore the entire

1609
01:02:55,925 --> 01:02:58,325
facade to original historic

1610
01:02:58,728 --> 01:03:01,831
plan. So, I think that we have

1611
01:03:01,831 --> 01:03:04,567
a exciting opportunity. I will

1612
01:03:04,567 --> 01:03:06,836
let MR. Patel talk about it.

1613
01:03:06,836 --> 01:03:07,570
But we are looking at a

1614
01:03:07,570 --> 01:03:09,338
hospitality use that's because

1615
01:03:09,338 --> 01:03:11,974
the way the shape their building

1616
01:03:11,974 --> 01:03:15,411
was originally a store it is

1617
01:03:15,411 --> 01:03:17,980
just too deep for the typical

1618
01:03:17,980 --> 01:03:19,749
resilience use. We tried office

1619
01:03:19,749 --> 01:03:21,584
and don't and hospitality is the

1620
01:03:21,584 --> 01:03:25,488
best plan. And we've got a good

1621
01:03:25,488 --> 01:03:28,324
plan together to make this an

1622
01:03:28,324 --> 01:03:30,324
exciting property.

1623
01:03:30,593 --> 01:03:32,695
>> thank you, adam. Thank you

1624
01:03:32,695 --> 01:03:35,130
to the committee for having us

1625
01:03:35,130 --> 01:03:38,130
today, spending your time with

1626
01:03:38,468 --> 01:03:41,468
us. Keystone hotel group which

1627
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:43,390
have 9 hoe tells, 8 are in

1628
01:03:43,390 --> 01:03:45,390
cincinnati area.

1629
01:03:45,107 --> 01:03:47,977
We have a fairly young portfolio

1630
01:03:47,977 --> 01:03:50,977
of hotels, about 4 or 500 rooms

1631
01:03:51,581 --> 01:03:54,984
or less than 48 months old. And

1632
01:03:54,984 --> 01:03:57,687
so we're pretty aggressive about

1633
01:03:57,687 --> 01:04:00,870
building new product primarily

1634
01:04:00,690 --> 01:04:03,690
in the marriott and hilton

1635
01:04:06,796 --> 01:04:09,196
branded hotels. Had this

1636
01:04:09,999 --> 01:04:12,399
particular project is proposing

1637
01:04:12,668 --> 01:04:15,872
on 616 race. Just down the road

1638
01:04:15,872 --> 01:04:17,540
catty-corner from our town place

1639
01:04:17,540 --> 01:04:19,940
suites particular purdahed on

1640
01:04:20,609 --> 01:04:23,609
seventh and race. We completed

1641
01:04:23,946 --> 01:04:26,346
that project in 2001, shortly

1642
01:04:28,585 --> 01:04:30,586
after the pandemic and we

1643
01:04:30,586 --> 01:04:32,986
witnessed this building being

1644
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:36,589
demolished or bought and demoed,

1645
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,162
so we were excited to pursue it.

1646
01:04:39,162 --> 01:04:41,597
And or primary focus for want

1647
01:04:41,597 --> 01:04:43,997
toking pursue this complex

1648
01:04:44,567 --> 01:04:47,604
project is the fact that the

1649
01:04:47,604 --> 01:04:49,905
city and county are building the

1650
01:04:49,905 --> 01:04:52,305
renovation of the convention

1651
01:04:53,208 --> 01:04:54,777
center and the convention hotel.

1652
01:04:54,777 --> 01:04:57,777
We think that investment will

1653
01:04:58,381 --> 01:05:01,981
spark more visitors to the area.

1654
01:05:03,786 --> 01:05:05,654
Happy to answer any questions.

1655
01:05:05,654 --> 01:05:07,590
>> so after this presentation,

1656
01:05:07,590 --> 01:05:10,193
we have included on page 4 of

1657
01:05:10,193 --> 01:05:12,593
the transmittal our proposed

1658
01:05:13,363 --> 01:05:15,565
incentive. We have 25 years net

1659
01:05:15,565 --> 01:05:18,565
52% project tif. This will put

1660
01:05:18,801 --> 01:05:23,100
in for the cps pilot along with

1661
01:05:23,473 --> 01:05:26,676
vtica. There is sbe and wbe

1662
01:05:26,676 --> 01:05:28,478
goals than 10 and we do s ask

1663
01:05:28,478 --> 01:05:31,114
that we recommend the approval

1664
01:05:31,114 --> 01:05:32,549
of this ordinance. It is

1665
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:34,550
necessary from the emergency

1666
01:05:34,550 --> 01:05:36,219
perspective to facilitate the

1667
01:05:36,219 --> 01:05:37,921
financial closing which is

1668
01:05:37,921 --> 01:05:39,389
expected this week so that

1669
01:05:39,389 --> 01:05:41,391
construction can commence at the

1670
01:05:41,391 --> 01:05:43,193
earliest possible time. It is

1671
01:05:43,193 --> 01:05:44,327
also worth noting this project

1672
01:05:44,327 --> 01:05:45,494
has received historic tax

1673
01:05:45,494 --> 01:05:46,596
credits and they are working

1674
01:05:46,596 --> 01:05:48,264
through some additional

1675
01:05:48,264 --> 01:05:50,664
financing that also has

1676
01:05:53,903 --> 01:05:55,572
accelerated the schedule.

1677
01:05:55,572 --> 01:05:57,572
>> Councilmember Harris:

1678
01:05:57,774 --> 01:05:59,209
fantastic. I'm stunned that at

1679
01:05:59,209 --> 01:06:02,209
some point someone decided to

1680
01:06:02,312 --> 01:06:04,714
cover up that gorgeous facade

1681
01:06:04,714 --> 01:06:08,314
with that, wow, so that's really

1682
01:06:08,318 --> 01:06:10,820
exciting to go back to the

1683
01:06:10,820 --> 01:06:13,220
original facade. Okay. Great.

1684
01:06:13,289 --> 01:06:15,558
Sounds like a great project,

1685
01:06:15,558 --> 01:06:15,859
needed project. Councilmember

1686
01:06:15,859 --> 01:06:16,626
walsh?

1687
01:06:16,626 --> 01:06:18,461
>> Councilmember Walsh: thank

1688
01:06:18,461 --> 01:06:20,196
you, MR. CHAIRMAN, I think this

1689
01:06:20,196 --> 01:06:21,364
is a fantastic project. The

1690
01:06:21,364 --> 01:06:23,467
main question that I have and I

1691
01:06:23,467 --> 01:06:25,468
think it is for you MR. Gelter,

1692
01:06:25,468 --> 01:06:27,169
although any of you can address

1693
01:06:27,169 --> 01:06:28,370
this. We see a lot of buildings

1694
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:30,507
that exist throughout the city

1695
01:06:30,507 --> 01:06:32,420
that are one or two stories and

1696
01:06:32,420 --> 01:06:34,770
I have often thought, we need to

1697
01:06:34,770 --> 01:06:36,211
do things like this. We need to

1698
01:06:36,211 --> 01:06:38,214
add on top of them, go higher

1699
01:06:38,214 --> 01:06:39,616
but keep the original first and

1700
01:06:39,616 --> 01:06:41,184
second floors, can you elaborate

1701
01:06:41,184 --> 01:06:42,619
on what it takes to do this and

1702
01:06:42,619 --> 01:06:44,421
why we don't see more of that

1703
01:06:44,421 --> 01:06:44,721
and ifs possible to see more of

1704
01:06:44,721 --> 01:06:46,721
this?

1705
01:06:47,257 --> 01:06:49,426
>> you know, you really have to

1706
01:06:49,426 --> 01:06:50,326
take a case by case it is upon

1707
01:06:50,326 --> 01:06:51,494
possible and things that are

1708
01:06:51,494 --> 01:06:54,297
limiting on some building are

1709
01:06:54,297 --> 01:06:55,632
the foundation of the building,

1710
01:06:55,632 --> 01:06:57,300
structure of the building.

1711
01:06:57,300 --> 01:06:58,869
Because this had floors

1712
01:06:58,869 --> 01:07:00,370
previously, it can support the

1713
01:07:00,370 --> 01:07:02,172
weight of these additional

1714
01:07:02,172 --> 01:07:03,173
floors without too much rework.

1715
01:07:03,173 --> 01:07:05,141
I think there are other cases

1716
01:07:05,141 --> 01:07:06,743
where that is the case as well

1717
01:07:06,743 --> 01:07:07,978
where the building is strong

1718
01:07:07,978 --> 01:07:09,279
enough to support it as its.

1719
01:07:09,279 --> 01:07:10,714
Whether you get to make it a

1720
01:07:10,714 --> 01:07:13,114
little challenging the bigger

1721
01:07:13,249 --> 01:07:14,184
the building the more likely the

1722
01:07:14,184 --> 01:07:15,952
foundation that is exist are not

1723
01:07:15,952 --> 01:07:17,487
going to support those extra

1724
01:07:17,487 --> 01:07:19,523
floors. But us talked about one

1725
01:07:19,523 --> 01:07:20,790
or two story buildings,

1726
01:07:20,790 --> 01:07:22,959
typically it is not super

1727
01:07:22,959 --> 01:07:25,195
difficult to add height to those

1728
01:07:25,195 --> 01:07:26,429
buildings, which I know as we're

1729
01:07:26,429 --> 01:07:27,898
looking at dennity in our city

1730
01:07:27,898 --> 01:07:32,980
is a important thing that we can

1731
01:07:32,669 --> 01:07:33,937
and should be looking at.

1732
01:07:33,937 --> 01:07:35,710
>> Councilmember Harris: great

1733
01:07:35,710 --> 01:07:35,906
question. Vice mayor?

1734
01:07:35,906 --> 01:07:36,972
>> Vice Mayor Kearney: we talked

1735
01:07:36,972 --> 01:07:38,974
about this in planning

1736
01:07:38,974 --> 01:07:42,574
commission but I wanted to talk

1737
01:07:43,413 --> 01:07:46,616
about your inn cluing goals and

1738
01:07:46,616 --> 01:07:49,160
mbe, sbe, all that.

1739
01:07:50,186 --> 01:07:51,287
>> I mean I think as we look at

1740
01:07:51,287 --> 01:07:53,490
this, you know, even though it

1741
01:07:53,490 --> 01:07:57,900
is I think technically not in

1742
01:07:57,794 --> 01:07:59,196
the convention district as per

1743
01:07:59,196 --> 01:08:00,597
the convention center plan. We

1744
01:08:00,597 --> 01:08:03,900
view it as that and we want to

1745
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:05,669
feet meet those same goals. I

1746
01:08:05,669 --> 01:08:07,437
think we and keystone has had

1747
01:08:07,437 --> 01:08:09,206
some real success in their

1748
01:08:09,206 --> 01:08:11,308
project in oakley with there are

1749
01:08:11,308 --> 01:08:12,876
inclusion goals and meeting

1750
01:08:12,876 --> 01:08:13,844
annex seeding those and we have

1751
01:08:13,844 --> 01:08:15,445
every expectation that we're

1752
01:08:15,445 --> 01:08:18,614
going to do the same here.

1753
01:08:18,614 --> 01:08:20,283
We have a woman own architecture

1754
01:08:20,283 --> 01:08:23,200
firm that's leading the team for

1755
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,888
them. And so I think we'll have

1756
01:08:25,888 --> 01:08:29,488
a strong position to beat those

1757
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:30,694
aggressive goals.

1758
01:08:30,694 --> 01:08:31,128
>> Councilmember Jeffreys:

1759
01:08:31,128 --> 01:08:33,128
MR. CHAIRMAN?

1760
01:08:33,329 --> 01:08:35,332
One quick question. Really

1761
01:08:35,332 --> 01:08:37,267
appreciate the comment of this

1762
01:08:37,267 --> 01:08:38,350
is enable convention center

1763
01:08:38,350 --> 01:08:40,435
planned development district. I

1764
01:08:40,437 --> 01:08:41,939
want to amplify this that is

1765
01:08:41,939 --> 01:08:44,841
really catalytic, so the fact

1766
01:08:44,841 --> 01:08:45,676
that we made that investment

1767
01:08:45,676 --> 01:08:46,609
yielded another investment. So

1768
01:08:46,609 --> 01:08:50,113
I think it is important for us

1769
01:08:50,113 --> 01:08:52,810
to keep in mind as we consider

1770
01:08:52,810 --> 01:08:55,810
future investments that can also

1771
01:08:59,723 --> 01:09:00,557
similarly be catalytic.

1772
01:09:00,557 --> 01:09:02,557
>> Councilmember Harris: agreed.

1773
01:09:06,563 --> 01:09:09,766
All right. Thank you very much.

1774
01:09:09,766 --> 01:09:10,334
All right. DR. Dudas, let's

1775
01:09:10,334 --> 01:09:12,734
jump into the agenda.

1776
01:09:13,503 --> 01:09:16,273
>> to the chair, item number 1

1777
01:09:16,273 --> 01:09:18,875
there this the biochar item from

1778
01:09:18,875 --> 01:09:20,711
the first presentation. This is

1779
01:09:20,711 --> 01:09:21,378
from the parks department as

1780
01:09:21,378 --> 01:09:23,280
well as from office of

1781
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,215
environment and sustainability.

1782
01:09:25,215 --> 01:09:28,215
There are two funding sources

1783
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:30,787
here being allocated to the

1784
01:09:30,787 --> 01:09:31,488
biochar replication facility

1785
01:09:31,488 --> 01:09:33,488
capital improvement program

1786
01:09:34,758 --> 01:09:37,758
project account. The first is

1787
01:09:37,761 --> 01:09:39,761
$500,000 of existing resources

1788
01:09:42,499 --> 01:09:43,834
in the urban tree canopy-gf

1789
01:09:43,834 --> 01:09:45,836
account that is existing

1790
01:09:45,836 --> 01:09:48,236
resources of $500,000 that will

1791
01:09:49,473 --> 01:09:51,800
be transferred. Additionally

1792
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,408
$850,000 of existing funds in

1793
01:09:54,912 --> 01:09:57,347
the revolving energy loan fund

1794
01:09:57,347 --> 01:09:59,416
are also being transferred to

1795
01:09:59,416 --> 01:10:01,485
that same biochar replay

1796
01:10:01,485 --> 01:10:02,619
indication facility capital

1797
01:10:02,619 --> 01:10:05,289
accountment and this will enable

1798
01:10:05,289 --> 01:10:07,324
the city to take advantage of

1799
01:10:07,324 --> 01:10:10,294
the direct pay benefits as part

1800
01:10:10,294 --> 01:10:11,940
of the inflation reduction act.

1801
01:10:11,940 --> 01:10:11,862
>> Councilmember Harris: it is

1802
01:10:11,862 --> 01:10:14,862
quite clear with the engagement

1803
01:10:15,599 --> 01:10:19,199
that there is no objection with

1804
01:10:21,438 --> 01:10:22,206
moving item 1 for passage.

1805
01:10:22,206 --> 01:10:24,608
>> DR. Dudas: item number 2 is

1806
01:10:24,608 --> 01:10:26,310
the development agreement item

1807
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:27,770
related to the second

1808
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:29,770
presentation. This would

1809
01:10:29,379 --> 01:10:31,315
authorizes the execution of a

1810
01:10:31,315 --> 01:10:33,315
development agreement with 616

1811
01:10:34,485 --> 01:10:37,485
race street llc. Pertaining to

1812
01:10:37,955 --> 01:10:40,355
development and construction of

1813
01:10:41,458 --> 01:10:43,858
84281 square feet of commercial

1814
01:10:45,829 --> 01:10:47,640
space at 616 race street in the

1815
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:48,165
central business district.

1816
01:10:48,165 --> 01:10:49,867
>> Councilmember Harris: I want

1817
01:10:49,867 --> 01:10:51,502
to, I you know without objection

1818
01:10:51,502 --> 01:10:52,970
we'll move item number 2 for

1819
01:10:52,970 --> 01:10:55,639
passage. I also want to

1820
01:10:55,639 --> 01:10:58,575
highlight I think that as we're

1821
01:10:58,575 --> 01:10:59,309
starting to talk about about

1822
01:10:59,309 --> 01:11:00,110
rivelment just thinking about

1823
01:11:00,110 --> 01:11:02,913
the number of buildings that we

1824
01:11:02,913 --> 01:11:03,981
have had that have been vacant

1825
01:11:03,981 --> 01:11:05,816
for decades and the challenges,

1826
01:11:05,816 --> 01:11:08,485
so not all buildings are

1827
01:11:08,485 --> 01:11:10,220
conducive to housing for a

1828
01:11:10,220 --> 01:11:11,522
number of just structural

1829
01:11:11,522 --> 01:11:14,522
reasons or business doesn't work

1830
01:11:15,459 --> 01:11:19,590
there. I think this is really

1831
01:11:20,197 --> 01:11:22,597
creative, expanding our capacity

1832
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:25,703
for hotel rooms in this space.

1833
01:11:25,703 --> 01:11:28,472
And then the again the tools

1834
01:11:28,472 --> 01:11:30,607
that we have, this project tif

1835
01:11:30,607 --> 01:11:33,978
really enables e abling it to

1836
01:11:33,978 --> 01:11:35,346
get done. This is exciting

1837
01:11:35,346 --> 01:11:37,346
overall.

1838
01:11:38,415 --> 01:11:38,949
So item number 2 move for

1839
01:11:38,949 --> 01:11:40,217
average r passage.

1840
01:11:40,217 --> 01:11:42,286
>> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

1841
01:11:42,286 --> 01:11:45,286
number 3 is a grand ordinance

1842
01:11:45,889 --> 01:11:48,250
for the cincinnati health

1843
01:11:48,250 --> 01:11:49,193
department, this would accept a

1844
01:11:49,193 --> 01:11:50,594
grant of $2,000 from the

1845
01:11:50,594 --> 01:11:51,962
american heart association. It

1846
01:11:51,962 --> 01:11:53,831
is designated for the health

1847
01:11:53,831 --> 01:11:56,231
department to participate in

1848
01:11:56,433 --> 01:11:58,670
ambulatory quality improvement

1849
01:11:58,670 --> 01:12:00,467
program, essential there would

1850
01:12:00,638 --> 01:12:03,638
enable the health department to

1851
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,510
data share with the halter heart

1852
01:12:06,510 --> 01:12:08,910
association regarding the risk

1853
01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:11,679
of cardiovascular disease, death

1854
01:12:12,717 --> 01:12:13,517
and disability.

1855
01:12:13,517 --> 01:12:14,385
>> Councilmember Harris: that's

1856
01:12:14,385 --> 01:12:16,654
great. All right without

1857
01:12:16,654 --> 01:12:18,355
objection we'll move item number 3 for passage.

1858
01:12:18,355 --> 01:12:20,891
>> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

1859
01:12:20,891 --> 01:12:22,526
number 4 this is also a grant

1860
01:12:22,526 --> 01:12:23,427
ordinance for the cincinnati

1861
01:12:23,427 --> 01:12:26,427
health department, this would be

1862
01:12:27,765 --> 01:12:29,133
a grant of up to $400,000 from

1863
01:12:29,133 --> 01:12:32,133
the ohio department of health.

1864
01:12:33,671 --> 01:12:36,671
These funds are earmarked for

1865
01:12:41,745 --> 01:12:43,514
expanding school based health

1866
01:12:43,514 --> 01:12:45,316
centers. And to would proper

1867
01:12:45,316 --> 01:12:47,316
additional equipment beings

1868
01:12:47,351 --> 01:12:49,486
supplies as well as furnishings

1869
01:12:49,486 --> 01:12:51,922
for waiting room, but there is

1870
01:12:51,922 --> 01:12:54,322
also a capital improvement

1871
01:12:54,329 --> 01:12:55,993
component which would enable the

1872
01:12:55,993 --> 01:12:57,828
construction ever a community

1873
01:12:57,828 --> 01:12:59,663
entrance that would be separate

1874
01:12:59,663 --> 01:13:02,663
from the school to provide

1875
01:13:03,568 --> 01:13:04,635
community access to the health

1876
01:13:04,635 --> 01:13:06,403
center.

1877
01:13:06,403 --> 01:13:07,304
>> Councilmember Harris:

1878
01:13:07,304 --> 01:13:08,305
fantastic. Without objection

1879
01:13:08,305 --> 01:13:08,905
we'll move item number 4

1880
01:13:08,905 --> 01:13:09,941
important passage.

1881
01:13:09,941 --> 01:13:11,375
>> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

1882
01:13:11,375 --> 01:13:12,943
number 5 is a grand ordinance

1883
01:13:12,943 --> 01:13:15,943
for the office of environment

1884
01:13:21,180 --> 01:13:22,850
and sustainability. This is a

1885
01:13:22,850 --> 01:13:22,820
grant of up to $50,000 from the

1886
01:13:22,820 --> 01:13:23,487
bloomberg philanthropies youth

1887
01:13:23,487 --> 01:13:25,589
climate action fund. Funds

1888
01:13:25,589 --> 01:13:28,391
would be designated for programs

1889
01:13:28,391 --> 01:13:30,361
to assist youth to help design,

1890
01:13:30,361 --> 01:13:32,761
produce and oversee urgent

1891
01:13:32,863 --> 01:13:33,597
climate solutions.

1892
01:13:33,597 --> 01:13:35,597
>> Councilmember Harris: all

1893
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:38,769
right, oes is on fire. All

1894
01:13:38,769 --> 01:13:41,439
right. Like not real fire

1895
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,907
though, doing a good job.

1896
01:13:43,907 --> 01:13:45,242
That's earth day. All right,

1897
01:13:45,242 --> 01:13:47,642
without objection we'll move

1898
01:13:48,679 --> 01:13:51,349
item number 5 for passage. Item

1899
01:13:51,349 --> 01:13:52,483
number 6 we'll indefinite

1900
01:13:52,483 --> 01:13:54,619
postpone. Which brings us to 7

1901
01:13:54,619 --> 01:13:56,487
which is the b version of 6.

1902
01:13:56,487 --> 01:13:59,900
>> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

1903
01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:00,224
number 7 is the b version of

1904
01:14:00,224 --> 01:14:03,224
number 6. It is a grant

1905
01:14:03,461 --> 01:14:04,295
ordinance for cincinnati police

1906
01:14:04,295 --> 01:14:06,695
department. This authorizing a

1907
01:14:08,299 --> 01:14:10,668
grant of up to $56,000 from the

1908
01:14:10,668 --> 01:14:13,700
ohio department of public safety

1909
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:14,839
ohio traffic safety office. It

1910
01:14:14,839 --> 01:14:17,839
is the drive to succeed 2024

1911
01:14:18,909 --> 01:14:21,780
grant. This would allow cpd to

1912
01:14:21,780 --> 01:14:23,130
provide scholarships to eligible

1913
01:14:23,130 --> 01:14:24,348
students in the community for

1914
01:14:24,348 --> 01:14:26,748
driver education training. The

1915
01:14:27,180 --> 01:14:29,420
b version is required because

1916
01:14:29,420 --> 01:14:32,420
the grant amount increased. The

1917
01:14:34,725 --> 01:14:35,359
award is now for additional

1918
01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:36,193
$1,560.

1919
01:14:36,193 --> 01:14:38,593
>> Councilmember Harris: this is

1920
01:14:40,131 --> 01:14:42,666
much needed. Very excited about

1921
01:14:42,666 --> 01:14:43,434
this.

1922
01:14:43,434 --> 01:14:45,102
>> Councilmember Jeffreys: my

1923
01:14:45,102 --> 01:14:46,604
back of envelope math I think it

1924
01:14:46,604 --> 01:14:48,573
is about 130 kids or so that

1925
01:14:48,573 --> 01:14:51,875
will be able to have driver ed,

1926
01:14:51,875 --> 01:14:52,643
more the merrier.

1927
01:14:52,643 --> 01:14:53,578
>> Councilmember Owens: thank

1928
01:14:53,578 --> 01:14:55,313
you, that was going to be my

1929
01:14:55,313 --> 01:14:56,714
question, but also I mean we

1930
01:14:56,714 --> 01:14:59,550
probably all recognize after the

1931
01:14:59,550 --> 01:15:01,180
pandemic that people are driving

1932
01:15:01,180 --> 01:15:02,887
crazy. And also that, you know,

1933
01:15:02,887 --> 01:15:05,887
this doesn't exist in schools.

1934
01:15:06,915 --> 01:15:07,258
And so what a wonderful resource

1935
01:15:07,258 --> 01:15:08,590
this will be.

1936
01:15:08,590 --> 01:15:10,459
>> Councilmember Harris: yeah, I

1937
01:15:13,231 --> 01:15:15,320
appreciate the candor. Yes.

1938
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:15,733
But we have had this

1939
01:15:15,733 --> 01:15:18,690
conversation before about the

1940
01:15:18,690 --> 01:15:20,469
relationship to access to

1941
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:22,773
drivers education and we know

1942
01:15:22,773 --> 01:15:26,373
that the pandemic, so many young

1943
01:15:26,677 --> 01:15:29,212
people missed out on the

1944
01:15:29,212 --> 01:15:31,612
opportunity to get drivers

1945
01:15:31,649 --> 01:15:33,618
education, drivers, licenses,

1946
01:15:33,618 --> 01:15:35,452
lapse. A number of things

1947
01:15:35,452 --> 01:15:37,321
happened and so this education

1948
01:15:37,321 --> 01:15:39,923
piece around driving really is a

1949
01:15:39,923 --> 01:15:41,625
real component and addressing a

1950
01:15:41,625 --> 01:15:44,529
lot of our pedestrian safety

1951
01:15:44,529 --> 01:15:45,663
issues. This is timely and

1952
01:15:45,663 --> 01:15:47,663
relevant. Without objection

1953
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:49,333
we'll move item number 7 for

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passage.

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>> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

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number 8 is a motion submitted

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by council members johnson,

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walsh, owens and jeffreys, this

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questions that the

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administration prepare a report

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within 90 days related to the

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pro's and con's of MR. Project

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labor

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projectlabor

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of project laboragreements.

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>> Councilmember Walsh: this a

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straightforward motion. There

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is a lot of conversations

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publicly behind the scenes about

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project labor agreements a a lot

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of things are being said, pro

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and con. And so we're simply

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asking the administration to put

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things on paper so we can get a

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firm understanding as a council

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ever what is being talked about

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about plas instead of everybody

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having a different view and

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perspective of it. We had

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conversation with looking into

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this and putting a report

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together.

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>> Councilmember Harris: great.

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Without objection we'll move

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item number 8 for passage.

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>> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

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number 9 is a motion sub notice

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I had about councilmember walsh,

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harris and parks, this motion

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requests the administration

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provide a report within 90 days

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regarding the process of

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replacing trees planted in the

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right of way around the city

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that have damaged adjacent

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sidewalks and other private

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property also looking at a

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replacement time line for those

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trees.

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>> Councilmember Walsh: thank

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you again, MR. CHAIRMAN, I don't

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want to take credit for this. A

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conversation that started last

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year before my time on council.

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There is a lot of trees planted

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in tree wells that have caused

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property damage to the sidewalks

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and as the city comes through

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and replaces them gets charged

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back to the property own every.

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This council has had discussions

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about what does that look like

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and the cost for us as a city to

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take on that since it is our,

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since we caused the damage.

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This report just formalizes that

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so we can get some answers and

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make a decision as a council.

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>> Councilmember Harris:

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absolutely. PRESIDENT Pro tem

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parks, anything to add?

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Okay. All right, without

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objection we'll move item number 9 for passage. Items 10

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and 1 we will file. With that I

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move that the committee move

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into executive session pursuant

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to ohio revised code 121.22234

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to discuss with the solicitor

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about, with the city solicitor

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for an update on ongoing fire

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negotiations. Sorry. Samantha

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you almost had a -- do I have a

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second?

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>> Councilmember Cramerding:

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second.

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>> Councilmember Harris: all

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right. We will move into

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executive session. We will come

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back to -- do I need to do roll

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call?

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I'm sorry I did a first and

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second I should do a roll call.

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Roll call, please.

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>> [All respond yes].

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>> Councilmember Harris: all

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right. We will move into

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executive session. (Council in