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Chair. It's one o'clock.

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Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for attending the special meeting that we are having today. It's one o'clock and we're going to get started with the invocation and the pledge of allegiance by Commissioner Jeff Canard. So if you're willing and able, please stand.

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Dear Heavenly Father, we come to you and prayer today. So thankful for the many blessings in our lives. We thank you for this opportunity to come together as a community and discuss issues facing us.

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We pray that you would give us the ears, mind, and heart to listen to each other, and

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ultimately to make the right decisions for our community going forward.

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Lord, our hearts and prayers, our thoughts go out to our first responders, both here at

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home and around the world.

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We pray that you would protect them and bring them home, ultimately to their families,

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safe and sound.

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We thank you again for blessing this community, this forward, Lord, and Jesus name we pray.

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Amen.

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I would listen to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which

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it stands, and nation under God, in the visible, with liberty and justice for our.

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Thank you, maybe seated.

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While we're gathered here for the special business of the Pine Ridge Circuit Court Order,

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It looks like we are making a motion of O. We were gathered here together today to decide if we will accept what the judge has ruled in the lawsuit or if the county wants to take part in that.

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I will tell chair. Sorry.

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Did you want me to do the role call?

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You know what? Why not?

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Okay. Sorry.

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That's okay. Let us know who's here.

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I'm going along the agenda here. Thank you. This is a special meeting of the

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Sitchers County Board of County Commissioners on the second day of September,

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2026. In attendance, our chair, Diana Finnegan, first vice chair,

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Janet Barric, second vice chair, Jeff Kanard, commissioner Rebecca Bayes,

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commissioner Holly Davis, County Administrator Steve Howard, and County

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attorneys in East A Diamondland.

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Thank you.

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Well, it looks like we have Mr. Scott here also,

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and our own attorney that will probably

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want to say something.

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But you know, this board has had many discussions

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about lawsuit, and we don't need to-

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Engage and lawsuits. I know I read what came out, and what was said. I just don't understand

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the need for citrus county taxpayers to further spend money engaging on going against other

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citrus county taxpayers. I know, and I hate that there's some division in Pine Ridge, but like I

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had said months ago, some of those issues are HOA issues, and unfortunately, it's not for

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this board to figure those issues out, that is for your community to figure this out.

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So for that reason, I'm going to go ahead and make a motion to not engage in any further

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legal practice, not spend any more taxpayer money on this, obviously the other parties may

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engage in whatever legal battles they want to do, but my motion is leave it as it stands

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second. Motion by Commissioner Finigan, second by Commissioner Barrick. Any public comment?

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Welcome, Mr. Ayo. Oh,

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I'm sorry. My, my, my, I'm still a little bit on vacation,

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So you have three minutes at the podium to speak unless you have a letter on file and then you will get five minutes.

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I will look at the clerk and she will let me know if you actually have the letter on file with the clerk's office.

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She will give me a nod or a no her word is gold. Please keep all your comments respectful directed as me.

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The chair and please at this point keep it relevant to the motion that's on the table.

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Thank you and welcome.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, my name is Anthony A.O., I live in Pine Ridge, the States, and I wanted to bring up this issue because it doesn't make any sense to me.

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At the hearing, when we actually had the Board of County Commissioner hearing on this issue, the Pine Ridge Attorney and Attorney Lynn both dated that it was illegal.

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You cannot change a DRI with a PDC and I'm like wow, so that's what our attorney said and then it went before

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We had to take it before judge even though the the commissioners voted

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voted to

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To do to pass that and that was told that they were told it was illegal and they still did it and my concern is

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We the taxpayers pay for an attorney to sit in this room to

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give you legal advice and then the commissioners ignore it. Why should we the taxpayer pay for

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these legal fees when our attorney, the county attorney that we already pay for said no,

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it's illegal and yet the county commissioners violate that. I'm like, well, shouldn't they be

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hope for that bill. Not us. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Next speaker.

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Anyone else would

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like to speak on this matter? This is your chance to speak before a motion is made.

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Oh, man, I'm sorry the motion's already been made. I mean, vote it on. Thank you.

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Hi. Hi. My name is John Devor, 1927 West LeBotte Circle Pine Ridge.

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I thank you for all the hard work you've done. It's a tough job and thank you for having this meeting.

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I am the environmental committee chair at Pine Ridge and I wanted to let you know that Pine Ridge

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recently passed new tree preservation restrictions to stop clear cutting and preserve mature

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tree buffers on all odds. It passed with a two-thirds majority vote and that was a real clear declaration

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of what Pine Ridge wants. Additionally in the board elections none of the candidates who stood with

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So I worked in my Butler County Ohio Township for 20 years in as a volunteer for a land use in zoning the committee.

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Most important thing I learned there was that the zoning rules and land use plan must be congruent, otherwise the rules become ineffective and have little value from managing growth leaves developers plenty of loopholes.

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We had a similar situation where a development was proposed by the commissioners who typically

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passed whatever the developers presented, but in this case 400 people showed up with

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major concerns that it was turned down for evaluation.

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The developer came back with a slightly modified plan that did not address any of the major

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legal issues and appropriately it did not pass.

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The today's meeting is being held because, quote, the court has determined that the board

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fail to observe the essential requirements of law.

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The court also emphasized the need to update both the LDC

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and the comprehensive plan.

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So here's cheerleading section here.

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Stitchers County cannot live up to its motto

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where nature and community thrive unless our LDC

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and our comprehensive plan match up.

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Then our leaders must direct the developers to comply.

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And they can obey the law.

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I appreciate that you have already recognized the need

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modernize both the LDC and the comprehensive plan and thank you for that. So as a designer myself,

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the two primary questions that I always ask and must be addressed up front in any plan are,

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what do you want to keep and what do you want to change? And according to our motto,

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what we want to keep is the nature coast and we want communities to thrive and that is the change

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that we should support. So around the world communities that support environmental preservation and

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cultural development thrive. They develop a reputation as a desirable destination for business

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and for residents. Our motto will not be attained by practicing the status quo for development.

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That only comes from vision, good planning, and not compromising on what it's important.

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But the developers will be just fine no matter what. By not appealing the judges' decision,

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you show good leadership and integrity. I believe you'll find much support from

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If you lead us towards our motto with your proactive leadership, we can keep the nature coast of the nature coast, and we can keep Pine Ridge Pine Ridge.

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Thank you for your comments.

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I love the enthusiasm, but we're going to need to get through everyone that wants to speak.

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So I failed to say at the beginning, please keep your applause on hold and then when the whole meeting is over, you can applaud or do whatever you want.

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Okay, we're just going to get through the meeting right now next speaker please and I shouldn't have to say no

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Boo in jaring, et cetera. We're all respectful.

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Oh, did you all take the in order to green herds number I'll start with one in case I messed up one two three four

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Good morning. Good morning. He's it afternoon. I don't know. I don't know. It's afternoon. I guess. I'm with you. Thank you, commissioner.

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And chairwoman. Just briefly, I want to say thank you for your service to the county. And for those exiting. Thank you, especially for your service. And just emphasizing the fact that this decision made to the county.

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today is going to impact the next board and going forward and going forward.

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So not to be, I'm not advocating one way or another on your decision.

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I think you got to follow your lawyers opinion, but there's, you know,

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Pennywise and Pound for Foolish.

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So as far as Pine Ridge is concerned, I just want to quote the philosopher,

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Kermit the Frog, it's not easy being green and the green people here represent,

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I don't want to speak for all of them, but represent a majority, I believe, in the neighborhood,

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but unfortunately, as the previous speaker said, the other side wants to say that they got the

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great support of the community, but they were actually elected and are in office with much less

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than 20% of the community voting. So that they don't really represent everybody in Piney Ridge, obviously.

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So, again, I want to thank you, I want you to seriously consider your next move, and again,

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I'm not, I'm not, I'm not forespending tax payer money, but the green shirts in this room

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would not have supported the appeal to the circuit court on your decision that you made previously.

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They would have set, let that stand.

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So, really, I thought, though, I fault those people for putting you in this position to make

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decision about spending money. It's really them that are the emphasis the catalyst that is putting

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you in this position to spending more money or not spending more money. At the end of the day,

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we'll see what happens, but I appreciate the time. Thank you. Thank you. Did you give us your name?

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Kevin Allen, 4 4 1 2 North Deckwood Drive Beverly Hills by Pine Ridge. Thank you. Number five,

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Number six, number seven, does anyone have numbers left to speak?

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What number are you miss out?

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I'm getting pumped.

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I'm getting pumped to today, I think.

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Is there any people in a different room?

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Okay, y'all are going to be wild today.

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I say this. Okay, fine. Well, we'll be wild today.

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I'm on record for five

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notes in silence.

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Thank you.

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Good afternoon.

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My name is Diane South, and I live on El Cam Boulevard in Pine Ridge.

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And I am the Secretary of the Pine Ridge POA.

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Madam Chair, commissioners.

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Once again, we are asking our county commissioners

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to acknowledge what residents have been saying since 2023.

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It shouldn't have taken a court order.

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Our attorney was belittled when he advised

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that the citrus staff had been off the mark for years.

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But on August 14th, the fifth judicial circuit court

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vindicated him and us.

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Today you're hearing from the POA board and committee members

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who were elected and appointed to represent

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the official position of the POA and the residents.

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We were elected to serve.

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We tune out the noise and fulfill our fiduciary duty.

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PeoA elections have also occurred during this time.

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The message from our residents was clear and make no mistake.

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The majority of Pine Ridge residents don't live on the golf course.

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We certainly remember you hearing us in January of 24 with the unanimous vote.

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And so what happened?

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We rewarded those running in August 2024 with our votes.

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Why?

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Because you advised, you understood the issues, and you would protect Pine Ridge.

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the master plan and the golf course. For our part, we stated that you should be paying attention

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to the processes of the land growth management and so did our attorney. We believed in your

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conviction being principled and your integrity and then comes August 25. We were stunned at your

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failure to support those who supported you. It went against everything we preached to our residents.

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We learned after the fact that it was Pine Ridge swinging a close election district three in support of Commissioner Barrick.

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We got visibly behind three candidates because of their stated understandings.

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It should also be noted that we supported Commissioner Bayes when she ran in 2022.

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Why? Because she had stated her commitment to residents in the 2022 Pine Ridge candidates form.

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The Citrus and Pine Ridge voters have spoken in 2026 and there should be no doubt there will be a close watch in the lead up to 2028.

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Another notable and trackable fact, people in Citrus County have been paying attention to what Pine Ridge says and does.

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Much to the regret of Pine Ridge, we lost a champion of the people in Commissioner Finnegan.

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We clearly did our part as Pine Ridge outperform citrus in supporting

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Finnigan over Worthington, Herndon Overbays, so we will be closely monitoring

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commissioners elect Herndon and Worthington, and based on their Pine Ridge

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candidate forum responses, we have every reason to be very optimistic. So today we

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want to put something formally into the record that we have already brought to

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attention. The BOCC should order a deep independent review of how land growth management is

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doing business. Perhaps a blue ribbon panel of citizens disconnected from the current ongoing

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flawed process. It's long overdue and the fifth judicial court weighed in loud and clear

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in an extraordinary 21-page decision. But whatever it takes, it must be objective. The current

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processes fundamentally flawed, unbalanced when developers can work with staff for months before

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a matter reaches the planning and development commission of or the BOCC, while affected citizens

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are left with an after-the-fact three-minute speech. This is not meaningful public participation.

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The 2021 BOCC has an opportunity to get it done right. We respectfully suggest the BOCC support

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their constituents. There is still time to rebuild the trust that was lost and perhaps

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somewhat ironically, you can thank the courts for providing the reason and the opportunity

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to do it. Please vote against the appeal and I thank you for your time and your service. Thank

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you very much. Thank you for your comments. Next speaker.

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John Hyde, for not-

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9-1 North Mulberry Loop, Pine Ridge. Good afternoon, commissioners. I'm the president of the Pine Ridge Property

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Owners Association and just to correct the one speaker before we had a 33% quorum on our last election.

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So, 33% of our voters voted. Like you, the directors, like you, the directors of Pine Ridge

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POA are elected by the residents. We represent. We run our records, our commitments, and the issues

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the matter to our community.

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For the past five election, the future of the golf course property, the Pine Ridge Master Plan and the proposed rezoning and development have been major issues before our voters.

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In each of those elections, a majority of Pine Ridge voters have elected candidates who supported continuity of purpose and action in maintaining the character integrity and long established planning principles of Pine Ridge.

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We're here today because, because Pine Ridge was putting a position that no community should have the face going to court to ensure that it's county government follows its own adopted laws and planning requirements.

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We filed a petition with the court and the court agreed with this.

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The court did not simply disagree with the board's decision on a matter of policy.

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The court found that the county failed to observe essential requirements of the law.

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The Court didn't grant a Pine Ridge's petition,

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caused the county's approval in ordinance 2025-A16.

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That brings us here today.

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You're now being asked to decide

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what the Citrus County should spend additional

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public resources seeking repellent review of that decision.

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I respectfully ask you to consider what decision

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would say to people you represent.

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Pine Ridge has spent years coming before the county

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participating in its processes, presenting evidence, asking that the integrity of our

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community as long as established master plan be respected. The circuit court has spoken

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and ruled that the process used to approve this particular application did not satisfy the essential

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requirements of the law. This distinction matters. I respectfully ask you to vote not to appeal.

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Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Mr. Hyde.

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Good afternoon commissioners. My name is Kerry Dean. I'm a relatively new resident in Pine Ridge.

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I want to speak briefly about something that goes beyond this one application and this one property.

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Pine Ridge is an established community developed under a longstanding DRI and master plan.

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But what makes Pine Ridge special is not simply its age, it is its character.

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The way the community was planned, the open spaces, the recreation areas, the equestrian

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character, the golf course property, the larger lots.

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Together, those things created a place that thousands of people deliberately chose to call

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home.

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They didn't simply buy houses, they invested in a community.

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When a community has existed for decades under a vested DRI master plan, I believe the standard for fundamentally changing that plan should not be higher, and not lower, it should be higher and not lower.

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Please don't make it easier to dismantle the very features that made these communities desirable in the first place.

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If someone wants to make a major change to a long standing DRI community there should be a compelling reason.

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and there should be a clearly demonstrated benefit to the community being affected.

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Not simply more density, not simply greater financial return,

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and not simply because a new owner believes another use would be more profitable.

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The question should be, what does this change give back to the community?

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Does it improve our quality of life? Does it preserve the character residents relied on?

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Does it preserve the character residents?

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Relight, does it provide recreation, open space,

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some meaningful community benefit?

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Or does it simply remove something that serves the community

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for decades and replace it with something more profitable?

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Because once these communities assets are gone,

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they can never be brought back.

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The Pine Ridge Golf Course Properties of Perfect Example,

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for approximately 50 years,

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it has been part of the community and the planning of this community.

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that historic should matter, the master plan should matter.

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And thousands of people who invested here rely on that community should matter.

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Commissioners of growth is important.

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Property rights are important.

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But stewardship is the most important.

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Your responsibility is not only to decide what can be changed,

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sometimes your responsibility is to recognize what deserves to be protected.

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Please, do not lower the standard for changing the established DRI communities, raise the standard.

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Require a meaningful benefit to the community for fundamentally changing that community was built upon.

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Protect the community, protect the character, and protect the people who trusted the plan that was put in place for them.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker.

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Just state that in the microphone and then I'll check with the clerk. Your name and who you're representing and I'll check with the clerk.

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I'm Jim Reynolds and I'm on record as a speaker for the POA.

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Thank you.

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Good afternoon commissioners. Again, Jim Reynolds, I live in Pine Ridge, not on the golf course.

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I want to address what can easily get lost when this issue is reduced to acreage density calculations and

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and development procedures. Pine Ridge is not simply property on a zoning map. It's a community

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of 12,000 residents that has been developing for nearly 50 years. Thousands of families have

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invested their savings, purchased homes, paid taxes, and built their lives here based on the

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established character and planning framework of this community. The golf course has historically

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been part of that framework.

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The Court's order recognizes that this 221 acre property was historically developed as a

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golf course and is part of a previously approved developmental impact.

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The application approved by this board sought to change that property from a planned development

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overlay for golf course use to residential use permitting up to 80 new homes.

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That is not an ordinary zoning change.

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It's a significant land use change within an established community.

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Pine Ridge was planned with residential neighborhoods

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and community amenities, including a question.

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Three infacilities, recreation, open space, and the golf course. People relied upon that character when they chose to invest in live here, including me.

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So, when residents say, protect the Pine Ridge Master Plan, we are saying established communities deserve reasonable certainty that their adopted planning framework will be respected.

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Otherwise,

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what does a Master Plan meeting, a zoning designation, a DRI, what do they really

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mean if we can't rely on them?

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There's another important consideration I'd like to mention.

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We're not asking citrus county taxpayers to purchase or operate this golf course.

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private parties have expressed interest in restoring and operating the property.

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So, alternatives exist that preserve the recreation, the green space, and the historic character of Pine Ridge, without placing any burden on county taxpayers.

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We understand, Citrus County is growing, but responsible growth requires balancing new development

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with the legitimate expectations of people who are already here.

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We homeowners our investors too.

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Our property values matter, our quality of life matters, our reliance upon county planning

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decisions matter, and our voices should matter too.

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The Circuit Court has quashed this approval.

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We feel rather than spending additional tax payer funds appealing that decision allow

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Pine Ridge to pursue solutions that require any and require any future proposal to follow

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the legally authorized process from the beginning.

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Please vote not to appeal.

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Thank you all.

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Thank you. Next speaker.

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Good afternoon commissioners. My name is Ron Walser. I live in Pine Ridge,

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I'm North Mile of Circle and I serve as a committee chair. For nearly four years now,

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Pine Ridge residents have been burdened in this process.

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We've attended meetings and hearings.

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We've submitted evidence. We spoke before this board. We've even had to hire experts and

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attorneys. And we have followed all the rules. And when our concerns were not heard, we were

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forced to go to circuit court. We did not ask for this and we did not start this. This

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is not something our community wanted to do. But we had to do it because we believe the laws,

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The land development code and the protections surrounding our community matters and should

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be protected and court agreed.

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The result was not ambiguous.

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The court found that the board failed to observe the essential requirements of law.

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The court granted our petition of writ of surgery and the court cost the ordinance.

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It said, judgment not to be recorded.

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This is where I believe this board should stop and consider what has happened here.

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Pine Ridge residents have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of our own money, simply

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to obtain a court ruling requiring that the lawful process be followed.

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Now we face the possibility that our own tax dollars will be used against us to challenge

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the very decision we had to pay privately to obtain.

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At some point, commissioners, the people who live in this community have to be heard.

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Residents who raise legitimate concerns about their neighborhoods should not simply

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be dismissed as Nimbis standing in the way of development.

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We are homeowners, we are taxpayers, we are voters, and we are investors in citrus county.

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We built our lives here, we invested our savings here, our homes are often our largest financial asset.

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When decisions are made, that fundamentally alter our established community, the people who already live here deserve a meaningful seat at the table.

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We let county commissioners to represent us and to safeguard the laws and planning framework upon which our communities rely on.

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We should not have to hire attorneys and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars just to make our voices matter and to protect our community.

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We know growth will happen, property rights matter, development matters, but the people who are already called citrus county home.

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Hold on one second you have you have to state that that you have a letter on file so I can check with

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So if you have a letter and file, please state that so I can always check with her if not

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I don't know if you're speaking it for yourself or for

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An organization

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Two more minutes

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But the people who already call citrus county home should matter to our property values matter

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our communities matter, our way of life matters, and our voices deserve respect.

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The court has now spoken clearly.

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Please, do not spend additional tax payer money continuing this fight, accept the ruling,

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do not appeal, allow the parties involved in opportunity to find a lawful and lasting

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solution, and show the residents of Citrus County that when we speak, our elected officials

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are willing to listen. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker.

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All those numbers.

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Get up when I heard 95.

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have to have the noon.

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My name is Cliff Quattowski.

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Here we are again.

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In hindsight, we could have wondered what was there another path.

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You have Pine Ridge P.O.A.

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The developers, Pine Ridge United.

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None of them seem to want to work together.

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We have a situation left over from a deltona bankruptcy.

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The property is on residential, but the judge says that you can't have residential homes.

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Maybe not in so many words, but he did overturn your approval.

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We have a recreational overlay, aka a site plan that allows for a golf course,

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even though it has been...

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Stated here that the golf course was the main intent. It was not. It's a recreational overlay. Ironically, we could have a gold cart track there as recreation or a campground. I don't think any of these people living on a golf course would like that version of it.

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Pine Ridge P.O.A., say they want to call golf course, but they don't want to buy a golf course. The golf course businesses can't survive and have failed eight times.

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the developer wants to change a site plan, aka the overlay, to homes on residential property.

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Pine Ridge, POA, and the developer can't seem to agree. We can't make everybody happy.

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So what to do? They are making you the Board of County Commissioners, be the parents,

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trying to reign in the children. My thoughts on this as a consultant in procedures and past and other

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things. I read the judges decision and I agreed with everything except the

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quash part of it. It didn't seem to make sense. You have a DRI. Have you really

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looked into what that means? Residential zoning. Residential homes. How is

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their conflict? The only conflict is in the overlay. A.K.A. A site plan.

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Pine Ridge itself has an overlay, a site plan that allows for homes, homes, homes,

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where's the discrepancy? So my only, I don't really, I'm not really for either side.

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And those of you who know me well know that I'm a person of common sense and I address things

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in a common sense way. But I really caution you to do your due diligence when you're trying to

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Look at this, is it really an error?

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Because the way I see this is it's a discrepancy.

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You need to satisfy the discrepancy

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that the judge pointed out and then resimmit it.

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This may simply be regarded as a clerical error,

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because the overlay on a residential zone property

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for homes, I don't see where it happens.

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So I'm just a cautionary point here.

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do your due diligence make sure you're not just going along with the because there is a lot of the vision here.

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We need to kind of end this division in Pine Ridge.

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We need a satisfactory solution that everybody kind of agree with.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We're getting a little restless and when the speaker speaking, if you all are talking back there,

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it's difficult for us to concentrate on the speaker.

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So please remember to either very quietly whisper or just please keep silent. Okay, next speaker

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Anyone else would like to speak on this matter?

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Come on

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After words just state your name and where you're from I get three minutes, man. Yes, sir. Perfect

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Hi, good afternoon. My name is Mario Leon. I moved to the Pine Ridge area about 10 years ago

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I own property here my parents also moved here and retired here

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So now I call, such as county my home. I've seen a lot of you involved in the community,

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looking to continue your seats. I recognize this venue. The last time that I was here was about

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two years ago, on a day that there was a tornado warning. Schools were let out pretty early.

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And we had what three floors, additional courtrooms filled with residents,

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Adam in about how to proceed with this decision.

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I'm surprised to find myself here again two and a half years later,

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after the population that spoke pretty unanimously.

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We elected you folks as our voices and representatives

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in terms of how we wanted everything to be,

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I guess, to be stewards of our community.

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And frankly, I'm disappointed that we have to be here again today.

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It's difficult for a lot of us to attend.

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During a weekday, a lot of people work.

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Some of us are retired. Those are King.

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Here, thank you for attending.

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But I think the question is very, very simple.

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There are alternatives to this property.

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It doesn't have to be from 85 to 80.

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I'm not sure how five houses and a fence.

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Switches very much.

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You folks know the exact details as the residents

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in terms of what the negotiations have been back and forth.

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But to me, it's very simple.

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This is about money, power, and influence.

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We've elected you to represent us.

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We've spoken in terms of as a united community.

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We've spent our own money from our association.

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To stand up for what we think is right.

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I see some of you campaigning and pushing issues forward.

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And we take notice of the ones that do things

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that make sense to us and don't.

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So to me, this is more than, well, this might be

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clerical error, or, you know, be careful what your decisions are.

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Property in the area is at a price because of the community.

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You can't buy an acre for $5,000 in Bill the House that you want.

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80 additional houses is going to depreciate values for everybody.

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That's a fact.

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I'm a finance major.

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I studied at a top university and that's what it is.

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So for everybody that's moved here and counts on you to look for our best

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entrance. We're counting on you. And we're taking notice. So please, respectfully, I asked that

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the original decision of five nothing, five county commissioners foreign in zero for that

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plan to move forward with the construction. Be upheld. I'm not sure how the master plan or how

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the new proposal switched, but I respectfully ask that on behalf of myself, my parents and all

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of our residents. Thank you. Thank you. Remember to fill out that card next speaker.

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Good afternoon,

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My name is Mark Tupuy, I live on Pink Poppy Drive in Pine Ridge, with great power comes

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great responsibility. We all know the super story, the superhero story, someone is given extraordinary

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power, and suddenly that person has the ability to change the course of events not just for themselves,

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but for everyone around them. But there's always a catch with great power comes great responsibility.

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In our county, we don't have five superheroes flying around in capes.

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We have something much more real, and in many ways, much more powerful.

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We have five county commissioners.

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Five individuals who are given the incredible amount of power and influence over the future

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of our county.

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Five people who can make decisions that affect our taxes, our property values, our roads,

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our neighborhoods, our growth, our quality of life, and ultimately the direction our

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take for years to come. And here's the important part. We give them that power. We vote them

445
01:00:00,050 --> 01:00:07,850
We don't elect them to represent outside interests. We elect them to represent us, the taxpayers and the residents of this county.

446
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:15,610
We trust them with our voices, we trust them with our concerns, we trust them with our property values, we trust them with our communities.

447
01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:25,850
And we trust them to listen to what their constituents want and need to make decisions based on the best interests of the people they were elected to serve.

448
01:00:25,850 --> 01:00:30,250
Now, here's where the super hero analogy really matters.

449
01:00:30,970 --> 01:00:33,510
Having power doesn't make someone a hero.

450
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:35,510
How you use the power does.

451
01:00:35,730 --> 01:00:39,510
Their superhero can use the abilities to protect people,

452
01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:42,050
where they can use those abilities for themselves.

453
01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:45,870
The same is true of anyone sitting on the county commission.

454
01:00:46,590 --> 01:00:49,270
They can use their position to listen to their constituents,

455
01:00:49,930 --> 01:00:51,490
protect the interests of the taxpayers,

456
01:00:51,490 --> 01:00:56,010
and make decisions with the long-term well-being of the county in mind.

457
01:00:57,230 --> 01:01:01,390
Or they can use the power and waves that leave the constituents wondering.

458
01:01:02,430 --> 01:01:04,710
Who are you really representing?

459
01:01:05,410 --> 01:01:07,190
Because every vote has consequences.

460
01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:10,210
Every decision can change the direction of our county.

461
01:01:11,170 --> 01:01:16,370
And every commissioner has the opportunity to show us what kind of public servant they intend to be.

462
01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:20,350
When we walk into that voting booth, we're not simply choosing a name.

463
01:01:20,350 --> 01:01:23,610
We're choosing who we trust with the power.

464
01:01:24,350 --> 01:01:26,410
And once again, we give that power

465
01:01:26,410 --> 01:01:29,910
we have every right to expect them to use it responsibly.

466
01:01:30,510 --> 01:01:33,710
To remember who put them there, to remember who they work for.

467
01:01:33,930 --> 01:01:37,390
And to remember that public office isn't about what you can do

468
01:01:37,390 --> 01:01:38,790
because you have the power.

469
01:01:39,370 --> 01:01:41,590
It's about what you choose to do with the power,

470
01:01:41,890 --> 01:01:43,210
the people have entrusted you with.

471
01:01:44,110 --> 01:01:47,430
So perhaps the question is not, who has the power?

472
01:01:48,010 --> 01:01:49,050
We already know the answer.

473
01:01:49,050 --> 01:01:51,090
The question is, how will they use it?

474
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:54,380
Thank you, Mr. Jepray.

475
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:55,400
Thank you.

476
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,020
Next speaker,

477
01:02:00,220 --> 01:02:01,060
last call.

478
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:04,800
Okay, I'll close the public portion.

479
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:06,860
There are public comment.

480
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:08,640
Okay, board.

481
01:02:10,700 --> 01:02:13,740
I just want to remind everyone here and board members,

482
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,960
we're not re-trying an application.

483
01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:21,820
We are deciding whether we are going to put money

484
01:02:21,820 --> 01:02:28,420
and pursue a lawsuit. Obviously, I've put the motion that I did not feel like we should pursue

485
01:02:28,420 --> 01:02:36,680
a lawsuit. Whatever, Pine Ridge on either side does from there that is going to be Pine Ridge's

486
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:37,180
responsibility.

487
01:02:39,690 --> 01:02:44,150
Commissioner Canard. Thank you. I'll go ahead and chime in. I agree actually

488
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:51,830
with most of the speakers and that we should not spend another dollar on this. I'm adamantly opposed

489
01:02:51,830 --> 01:02:58,470
to the county spending money on lawsuits that seem to just drag on and on and on.

490
01:02:58,590 --> 01:03:02,950
I've been very clear about that for many years sitting up here and that hasn't changed

491
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:05,030
for this or with this.

492
01:03:05,230 --> 01:03:07,790
However, I do think the judge got it wrong.

493
01:03:08,910 --> 01:03:15,810
I think we do have a tax amendment that we need to address in our LDC and hopefully we will

494
01:03:15,810 --> 01:03:26,670
doing that very quickly. I'm curious as to how we're going to go about curing previously

495
01:03:27,350 --> 01:03:37,290
modified DRIs and without spending another dollar on attorney's fees, I would suggest

496
01:03:37,290 --> 01:03:45,970
that the county join as a co-petitioner should the applicant decide to appeal this.

497
01:03:47,170 --> 01:03:56,290
Provided that the county would not be exposed to any legal fees for the prevailing party or any additional fees.

498
01:03:57,550 --> 01:04:04,370
Then I think if the applicant decides to appeal, I would support the county be in a co-petitioner.

499
01:04:04,370 --> 01:04:09,650
So, for that reason, I won't be supporting your motion if it passes, so be it.

500
01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:12,530
If it doesn't pass, then I'm prepared to make a second motion.

501
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:15,770
Madam Chair, Commissioner Davis.

502
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:20,110
I concur with Commissioner Canard. I think that that is the Liza's course of action.

503
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:27,020
There is a legal precedent with the DR, with old DRIs that are going to

504
01:04:27,020 --> 01:04:36,380
payroll home rule I believe and I'm adamantly opposed to spending any tax paid dollars on this again and you know I appreciate you as

505
01:04:36,380 --> 01:04:44,180
for Scott your service to the county don't want to pay any more bills that we don't have to and courts are not

506
01:04:44,180 --> 01:04:52,900
infallible none of the five of us have a legal degree so you know take that as a layman's opinion but I

507
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:55,720
I'm with Commissioner Connard, I think they got it wrong.

508
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:59,110
Commissioner Bays.

509
01:05:02,510 --> 01:05:04,670
I would like to hear from our county attorney,

510
01:05:06,290 --> 01:05:09,850
apparently we're here today because we have outside council here,

511
01:05:10,570 --> 01:05:20,040
and it appears that there was some concern on this vote

512
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,180
on where we're going with it and that's why you're here.

513
01:05:23,900 --> 01:05:29,180
So why are we here if we have outside council here

514
01:05:29,180 --> 01:05:36,080
did you feel that it's necessary to pursue this, to cure any past votes?

515
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:37,720
You have,

516
01:05:39,730 --> 01:05:43,170
okay, I don't know about that's the part you added at the end.

517
01:05:43,830 --> 01:05:49,230
In order to only have 30 days to appeal a decision, in order to appeal a decision,

518
01:05:49,690 --> 01:05:54,730
the board has to give authority to whichever lawyer is representing you on whether or not you

519
01:05:54,730 --> 01:06:01,770
appeal it. So we had to come before you to ask you what you wanted to do with the judges decision.

520
01:06:03,730 --> 01:06:10,130
So I had no conversation, no briefing, and I'm little perplexed by this because

521
01:06:12,070 --> 01:06:18,410
I raised the question about the DRI versus the PUD distinction on record and opposing council

522
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:25,270
answered and the court later built it's really on that exact gap. And so when I raised that question,

523
01:06:26,290 --> 01:06:30,750
was there a section of the LBC or the compound that could have been cited at that time?

524
01:06:34,220 --> 01:06:39,100
If you're asking me, I don't know that this is the time or the place to re-litigate what happened

525
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:45,160
at your meeting. You have a judges decision that says what you did was incorrect. And now you guys

526
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,540
have to decide whether you're going to let that decision set or whether you're going to appeal that

527
01:06:49,540 --> 01:06:54,880
decision. I think that if you hear from Mr. Scott, he will tell you that he does not agree

528
01:06:54,880 --> 01:07:00,980
with the judge's decision either. He can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't

529
01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:05,780
believe that he agrees with the judge's decision. So whether or not you guys decide to appeal

530
01:07:05,780 --> 01:07:12,560
it, those arguments I assume he'll make in the brief, if you decide to appeal it or not.

531
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,440
Well, good we hear from Mr. Scott, of course you can.

532
01:07:16,780 --> 01:07:17,460
It's wise here.

533
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:18,700
Good afternoon.

534
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:29,280
One of the benefits of the position that I'm in is I don't have to consider the political issues that you all consider that as up for you to decide.

535
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:38,360
And I try to confine my review of an opinion, or an order like this, truly to the legal ease of the order

536
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:46,320
and whether in my opinion, opinion upon an opinion, but whether in my opinion, it is supportable.

537
01:07:46,940 --> 01:07:55,340
And it is my opinion that it's not a supportable ruling that the court has reached mainly, and I'll really get right to the nub of it,

538
01:07:55,340 --> 01:08:03,700
And that the court found in many ways accepting the argument that was offered by Pinerage

539
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:09,380
in the Sertuary Appeal, or the Sertuary Proceeding, that there was no, you'll see the

540
01:08:09,380 --> 01:08:17,320
word express, express process, provided in the LDC or in the county regulations to amend

541
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:25,700
a DRI that is in the first instance itself not terribly accurate in that the comprehensive

542
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:33,920
plan provides that major modifications to existing developments are handled through the

543
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:40,920
Atlas Amendment process. But more importantly or more fundamentally in terms of the law

544
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,800
that applies in a case like this is the law.

545
01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:48,020
Does not require that the board, or that the county,

546
01:08:48,260 --> 01:08:53,200
excuse me, have a directly express explicit process

547
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,420
that says something to the effect of DRIs

548
01:08:57,420 --> 01:09:01,000
shall be amended by XYZ process.

549
01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:05,340
That simply is not a requirement that exists under the law.

550
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,660
That is an argument that was raised by the attorneys

551
01:09:08,660 --> 01:09:15,200
for Pine Ridge that is an argument that was accepted by the judge who presided over the case

552
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:22,660
that circuit court, but that is not a supportable pre-text or pre-cept, excuse me, of law.

553
01:09:23,340 --> 01:09:28,580
And that is an argument that we would be offering on appeal that that is an incorrect ruling.

554
01:09:29,300 --> 01:09:38,300
In fact, under the law, in handling quasi-judicial matters such as this and aboard a city

555
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:44,800
Council, Accounting Commission, that handles a quasi-judicial consideration of a request to change

556
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:52,080
zoning, or more generally a request to allow a form of application or development.

557
01:09:53,140 --> 01:09:59,240
The law is more lenient than I believe the court, and I'll say, I'm hesitant to, in some

558
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,280
ways, to get into these things, because they do get into attorney client work product

559
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:04,120
type considerations.

560
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,180
But I think it's important to, at some level, discuss them.

561
01:10:07,180 --> 01:10:15,900
But the law is a bit more forgiving, if I can use that term, in terms of the process that the government

562
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:20,680
aboard or a council goes through in considering an application process.

563
01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:27,020
Now, I understand the argument that was made in the pleadings and in the process of saying,

564
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,740
while there wasn't an explicit express process that was provided for and followed,

565
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:43,160
and you almost get into a situation where an argument is repeated over and over and then it's accepted later by a court and then it's repeated perhaps following the the issues of the ruling.

566
01:10:43,940 --> 01:10:53,360
What you'll find that's interesting in the in the court's ruling and you'll find interesting in the petition as filed before the court is the lack of legal citation to authority to support that proposition.

567
01:10:53,360 --> 01:11:08,900
Now, why this is important is not, at least from my point of view, and I would suggest to you is not that I'm supporting or against, I have zero stake in the political question of whether the pine reagent men should be allowed or the golf course.

568
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:23,000
However, I would suggest there is a fundamental governmental interest from your point of view in having the proper court versus government or court versus county BOCC balance being struck.

569
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:45,340
In terms of whether you all are permitted to execute your duties without concern or risk of judicial entanglement in the decisions you make and whether you are being made to take actions or not take actions based on rulings that may not comport with what the law specifically provides for.

570
01:11:45,340 --> 01:11:59,440
So in terms of, it would, from my point of view, I would say a, an appeal is supportable and it's not because of any consideration of what the folks here have said or the political considerations as to whether the development is supportable.

571
01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:11,340
But it does appear to be an incorrect ruling. It does call into question other activities that the board has done or will do with regard to considering DRIs.

572
01:12:11,340 --> 01:12:18,200
our eyes, although I will state just to be clear for the record, this ruling simply applies to

573
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:23,780
this individual action of the board, and this ruling costs solely that individual action.

574
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:29,380
There's no injunction, no declaratory relief, no striking of those provisions, or any provisions

575
01:12:29,380 --> 01:12:41,320
of the code. That said, it does inherently call into question or offer a bit of a

576
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:46,280
the future or we're passed with regard to D.R.D.R.I.'s.

577
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:53,180
There are also other considerations that one might question when you read, read in order

578
01:12:53,180 --> 01:12:59,960
like this. The order and also the petition, it doesn't answer the question, well if someone

579
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:05,580
in the county were to have a D.R.I. how do they go about amending that D.R.I.

580
01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:11,520
bearing in mind that property owners, including property owners who own property with DRIs,

581
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:17,740
they do have a right to consideration by a governing board of amendments or modifications

582
01:13:17,740 --> 01:13:24,560
of land use controls, and those could implicate potential concerns of other matters of litigation

583
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,820
or liability down the road.

584
01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:32,460
It's not that I would suggest there's any of those considerations here, but these kinds

585
01:13:32,460 --> 01:13:39,400
rulings that aren't as based on the law as they could be, bring those considerations to

586
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:45,120
the forefront and cause uncertainty from your point of view. I apologize for the perhaps somewhat

587
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:51,900
long-winded response, but I would encapsulate my view of the ruling as that.

588
01:13:53,460 --> 01:14:02,180
Commissioner, please. Is there an example of potentially any time in the past where

589
01:14:02,460 --> 01:14:09,700
we did not defend a vote that this is a risen and we did not defend ourselves.

590
01:14:09,780 --> 01:14:15,620
I'm personally not not aware of any situations like this.

591
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:18,360
I'm turning one.

592
01:14:23,330 --> 01:14:28,510
I'm trying to think I've been here 11 years.

593
01:14:31,570 --> 01:14:34,390
I don't think we've had any. Well,

594
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,400
I would hate to answer because I would want to look and make

595
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,000
before I I don't want to guess so I really can't say in the last 11 years I know we've had

596
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,980
some appeals. I can't think of a situation where we've had a court actually

597
01:14:48,980 --> 01:14:54,780
quash an action of the board since I've been working with you all. I don't think we

598
01:14:54,780 --> 01:14:59,700
have at least not in the last 11 years but I would want to preface that by just saying I'd want to

599
01:14:59,700 --> 01:14:59,900
look.

600
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,000
To be sure.

601
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,270
Are you, Commissioner Barry?

602
01:15:07,490 --> 01:15:10,870
I see here, I listen to what Commissioner.

603
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:15,930
Can I just say, as Commissioner Davis says, and I got a letter from an attorney.

604
01:15:17,710 --> 01:15:20,910
From, you know, Dixon of people that want to do the houses.

605
01:15:21,630 --> 01:15:25,710
I don't think that that is right for us to agree.

606
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:30,650
If we say, you're going to say, no, you're going to come up with this other thing,

607
01:15:30,650 --> 01:15:33,950
and we're going to partner with a law firm,

608
01:15:34,250 --> 01:15:37,010
and it's the law firm that represents the people

609
01:15:37,530 --> 01:15:40,130
on the other side of this matter.

610
01:15:40,750 --> 01:15:42,590
That's wrong, okay?

611
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:44,330
And it's 100% wrong.

612
01:15:48,530 --> 01:15:50,930
I think we should vote on this.

613
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:53,870
And if you don't want to do, we don't,

614
01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:55,270
I don't want to spend anymore money.

615
01:15:55,770 --> 01:15:59,130
So I say we should accept, and that's why I seconded the motion.

616
01:15:59,130 --> 01:16:04,830
And if we accept it, that we just answered this point, and if Mr. Dixon has developed

617
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:10,650
or accompanying it, all the developers want to go back to the attorneys, they can go back

618
01:16:10,650 --> 01:16:16,150
with their big pockets. We're trying to cut expenses in this county. Not add to them.

619
01:16:17,090 --> 01:16:24,310
And every time I turn around, you know, we need to be, for what is going on in this county,

620
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:28,810
what do the people want? I didn't hear very many people say,

621
01:16:28,810 --> 01:16:45,090
Well, we want, you know, we want to go with Dixie's appeal, you know, we want everybody that came up today. Almost every single one came up and said they were happy. Please, you know, don't go any further. So I think we should vote.

622
01:16:46,150 --> 01:16:54,810
So for me, it's not about how many people are for something, how many people are getting something, it's just the process that we all are supposed to follow.

623
01:16:56,410 --> 01:17:08,490
And I'm shocked to my just made two of you think that it's okay to pursue a lawsuit and have the developers attorney pay for it.

624
01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:12,810
I think that is a very, very bad, bad look.

625
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:18,970
Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.

626
01:17:18,970 --> 01:17:21,690
I don't know how you defend that in the future.

627
01:17:21,690 --> 01:17:26,570
I don't know how you defend that to the people that you represent, to me it makes sense

628
01:17:26,570 --> 01:17:32,770
if we have an issue that the judge has pointed out, we don't fight against the judge's ruling.

629
01:17:33,310 --> 01:17:40,870
We certainly don't say, yeah, we'll help you, you pay for it. When the person has been a known

630
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:49,130
friend of some, that's about what we do is fix the issue and then, you know, I don't know where this

631
01:17:49,130 --> 01:17:56,730
up later if the developer comes back and, you know, under a new process. But again, for, for

632
01:17:56,730 --> 01:18:04,050
pain-rich being divided all that we all hated, we as somebody put like being the mom, right?

633
01:18:04,150 --> 01:18:09,250
We're, that's not our role. We are just supposed to do what we are supposed to do as a government

634
01:18:09,250 --> 01:18:16,670
body. Now, in the past, I voted against it. Again, not on being on one person side or the other,

635
01:18:16,670 --> 01:18:29,550
because my beliefs government shouldn't go into people's backyards and tell them, forget, forget your research and what you've done and how you've bought this property, we have the power to change it and we're just going to change it.

636
01:18:29,670 --> 01:18:44,410
I philosophically don't believe that's right and I certainly don't think it's right that we pay or let somebody that's on the opposite side against any of our people to pursue a lawsuit.

637
01:18:44,410 --> 01:18:51,970
that is that's wrong on so so many levels. So I hope, although I feel like this is fairly predictable,

638
01:18:52,630 --> 01:19:00,250
that somebody up here also would realize that and let them pursue this in the correct way,

639
01:19:00,690 --> 01:19:06,630
not in a way where we're on behalf of all taxpayers, not just anybody living in the

640
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:11,170
pledge pursuing a lawsuit because we don't like a judge's decision.

641
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:14,610
Madam Chair, Commissioner Canard.

642
01:19:16,430 --> 01:19:18,070
First of all, thank you.

643
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:31,410
An excellent discussion about where we're at and what your position is on the judges' order.

644
01:19:31,410 --> 01:19:41,070
So, it led me to believe that rather than suggesting that we need to cure previously modified

645
01:19:41,070 --> 01:19:46,590
DRIs, that we need to protect past decisions on modifying DRIs.

646
01:19:47,150 --> 01:19:55,170
And if that means a board action on a text amendment for our LDC to do that, so that we

647
01:19:55,170 --> 01:20:03,270
don't end up having another decision like this that I wholly disagree with.

648
01:20:03,290 --> 01:20:05,650
That's not about picking sides one way or the other.

649
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:08,070
Simply, I disagree with what the judge decided.

650
01:20:08,770 --> 01:20:16,210
And I think most unbiased legal opinions would arrive at the same decision.

651
01:20:17,310 --> 01:20:19,450
But I do believe that Miss Lynn got it wrong.

652
01:20:19,450 --> 01:20:27,850
we have, we have one of three options, not just to accept or appeal, I disagree with his decision

653
01:20:27,850 --> 01:20:35,030
and I think that we can appeal as a co-petitioner. As I said before, I don't want to spend a

654
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:42,270
single dollar on this, but I disagree with it. I think the judge, a judge and a pellet judge has the

655
01:20:42,270 --> 01:20:48,330
opportunity should get the opportunity to demonstrate that that opinion was wrong. So again,

656
01:20:48,330 --> 01:20:55,370
I appreciate where you're at, but I won't be supporting your motion, and if it fails, I will be making a motion

657
01:20:56,530 --> 01:21:00,330
to enter as a co-petitioner.

658
01:21:01,310 --> 01:21:03,510
Anyone else have comments before I call the vote?

659
01:21:04,410 --> 01:21:05,230
Quiet, please.

660
01:21:07,630 --> 01:21:09,850
Quiet, please. Quiet, please.

661
01:21:10,350 --> 01:21:12,310
We don't have anyone in this room, again.

662
01:21:12,930 --> 01:21:15,760
Is that okay?

663
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:22,640
Well, that all, law enforcement's not in this room, here, here we, here we are again.

664
01:21:24,180 --> 01:21:27,240
Okay, board any other comments?

665
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,880
Okay, all those in favor?

666
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:32,700
Hi.

667
01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:33,820
Any opposed?

668
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:34,560
Okay.

669
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:35,760
Motion fails.

670
01:21:36,380 --> 01:21:37,720
Three, two.

671
01:21:38,020 --> 01:21:45,720
Madam Chair, I would make a motion that the, that the county participates in appeal as a co petitioner,

672
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:53,080
Commissioner provided that we would not be exposed to any fees of the prevailing party.

673
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:53,580
Second.

674
01:21:56,160 --> 01:22:00,160
I have a motion by Commissioner Knart and the second by Commissioner Davis.

675
01:22:01,060 --> 01:22:02,440
Any public comment?

676
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,440
We are not in number orders.

677
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,480
So if you've already submitted a green card and you've spoken on the last motion,

678
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:14,100
you do not have to submit another green card.

679
01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:29,980
That my motion, they're not going to respect you, so I'm in a-

680
01:22:31,900 --> 01:22:39,820
You're supposed to be listening and you're supposed to be in this room, so it would help me keep order. Hopefully they're listening.

681
01:22:41,820 --> 01:22:54,940
Okay, and for those that weren't paying attention, I made a motion and it failed. So now there's a new motion and now we are opening it, act up to public comment.

682
01:22:54,940 --> 01:22:56,720
Hello, Mr. A.

683
01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:58,140
Hi, I'm raiseable.

684
01:22:58,400 --> 01:22:59,340
Pirate just days.

685
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:02,640
Okay, in this particular instance,

686
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:07,600
you are telling me that the county board of commissioners

687
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,920
would be co-applicants with Dix

688
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,440
to appeal this.

689
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:20,100
Now, what kind of liability does the county face?

690
01:23:20,940 --> 01:23:22,580
Okay, so what if

691
01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:30,200
I mean, this could go seriously wrong on your favor, okay, because remember anything

692
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:39,660
stated in the court is illegal and can be challenged and could if they say something

693
01:23:39,660 --> 01:23:46,300
on your behalf that's absolutely wrong, defamation, whatever, whatever, you could

694
01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:55,260
being suit extensively. Okay, so I think you all should really think about that, because what kind of

695
01:23:55,260 --> 01:24:04,780
exposure are you leaving us the county residents in, I mean this is going to be serious if it goes to her.

696
01:24:05,140 --> 01:24:07,900
Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Next speaker.

697
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:14,900
I kind of see people buying the wall.

698
01:24:18,540 --> 01:24:19,460
I have three management.

699
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:20,260
Yes, sir.

700
01:24:20,420 --> 01:24:21,580
State your name and where you're from.

701
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,040
I get afternoon, Mario Leon.

702
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:24,780
I moved to your 10 years ago.

703
01:24:24,940 --> 01:24:25,600
I'm a property owner.

704
01:24:25,900 --> 01:24:26,700
My parents live here.

705
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,440
I own different properties in Pine Ridge.

706
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,160
Also, I'm a volunteer coach at our soccer club,

707
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,820
Citrus County, and Homassassa.

708
01:24:34,380 --> 01:24:36,200
I've been involved with the kids for an extended period of time.

709
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:37,940
My son graduated high school at Lecanto.

710
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:43,320
He's a freshman on a college scholarship, playing soccer.

711
01:24:44,420 --> 01:24:45,840
I've extensive ties to the community.

712
01:24:46,380 --> 01:24:50,800
I know everybody that is passionate about this is not here today,

713
01:24:50,940 --> 01:24:53,180
because it's one o'clock on a weekday.

714
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:54,260
I'm sorry.

715
01:24:54,420 --> 01:24:56,280
I just hated to stop your time for minutes.

716
01:24:56,360 --> 01:25:00,200
I don't know if you need to walk out, but it's very distracting.

717
01:25:01,700 --> 01:25:02,180
Okay.

718
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:03,180
Thank you.

719
01:25:03,260 --> 01:25:03,580
Sorry.

720
01:25:04,300 --> 01:25:05,720
So we're on the same page.

721
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,860
I have extensive ties to the community volunteering

722
01:25:07,860 --> 01:25:09,720
at a local soccer club.

723
01:25:10,140 --> 01:25:13,100
My son is also recent graduate at a high school.

724
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,220
So this is, to me, dear and passionate,

725
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,460
I'm confused, extremely confused

726
01:25:19,460 --> 01:25:23,060
with a lot of our residents there in the area.

727
01:25:23,460 --> 01:25:26,040
So I'm to understand that this board,

728
01:25:26,420 --> 01:25:28,340
after originally voting 5-0,

729
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,220
we've gotten to a point now where we're three, two,

730
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:35,700
and favor of selling 228ers off market.

731
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:43,820
property. That's a common space, privately, to a developer, pennies on the dollar, at less than $5,000 an acre.

732
01:25:44,580 --> 01:25:50,480
And then they're going to bring that petition to this board to develop 220 acres into 80 houses.

733
01:25:51,020 --> 01:25:55,300
You can do the math in terms of what the sales are and you're supporting that that's okay.

734
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,580
Is that correct? Is that what this vote is three to two now? Two people say no. I don't want to do that.

735
01:26:00,580 --> 01:26:02,940
three people say yes, you're elected officials.

736
01:26:04,260 --> 01:26:04,900
We elect you.

737
01:26:04,900 --> 01:26:06,020
Some are getting re-elected.

738
01:26:06,020 --> 01:26:07,980
Some are not when your tolerance comes up.

739
01:26:08,420 --> 01:26:12,960
So I'm to understand that you're going to support now the opponent of this and say, you

740
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:13,240
know what?

741
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,660
We can't finance it.

742
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,760
But we're going to let him finance us because he has the pockets, but you know what I agree

743
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,020
with that decision was wrong.

744
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:20,160
The people have spoken.

745
01:26:20,420 --> 01:26:20,940
We were here.

746
01:26:21,340 --> 01:26:21,780
Five-zero.

747
01:26:21,900 --> 01:26:23,620
Two years ago, what changed?

748
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:24,420
A gate?

749
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:25,460
Three houses?

750
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:26,260
Five houses?

751
01:26:26,580 --> 01:26:27,060
What changed?

752
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,420
How much more do we need to go through?

753
01:26:30,420 --> 01:26:34,300
we've spent tons of money where we could have been beautifying our community.

754
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:38,100
The people that are here that are speaking against that understand.

755
01:26:39,380 --> 01:26:43,940
I don't understand why one, two, three don't understand. I don't, I don't get it.

756
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:49,940
For the price of one house, what is it? 750 that the lot sold for the 220, 750,000?

757
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,220
Is that right? That's what the public record is, right?

758
01:26:54,220 --> 01:27:04,840
$250,000 for $220 acres and we're going to let this guy come in and buy them why $3,000,000 an acre and then build houses and bring all the infrastructure and mind you.

759
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:10,240
We're talking about residents that are in their final stages, right? The last part of their life, they work, they're whole life.

760
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:20,280
They want to retire in peace in peace, not with construction trucks for 80 houses for 80 houses on a one lane road that goes each way.

761
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,060
who's been on Pine Ridge Boulevard, to one lane, each way.

762
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:24,800
Elkin, one lane, each way.

763
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:31,440
You're going to introduce 80 houses in infrastructure, take out trees, take out really.

764
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,260
We're at the point now where this board says, yes, we're not going to put our money there

765
01:27:36,260 --> 01:27:41,860
because my guys might get upset, but I'm going to sit down and go on the same stuff.

766
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,200
I'm really out of loss.

767
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,240
I'm really out of loss, but I'm not sure how else to frame this.

768
01:27:46,620 --> 01:27:48,420
I think we've spoken from as a community.

769
01:27:48,420 --> 01:27:53,160
And I think going forward, you'll have your conscious to do.

770
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:54,380
Thank you.

771
01:27:54,440 --> 01:27:54,940
Thank you.

772
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:55,800
Next speaker.

773
01:27:59,460 --> 01:28:02,160
I've heard this book, Kevin Allen.

774
01:28:04,180 --> 01:28:07,320
Thank you again for listening.

775
01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:11,400
But I do have to make a couple of quick points.

776
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:17,660
The president of our current president of our board got up here and contradicted what I said

777
01:28:17,660 --> 01:28:23,880
channels what I said about 20% of the less than 20% of the vote. He said 33% of vote. That may

778
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:29,280
have been who voted in our community, but they only won slightly over half of that. That's why I

779
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:36,480
say, well south of 20% of our population have this board in place as it is today in making all this

780
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:36,900
fuss.

781
01:28:39,740 --> 01:28:49,720
I find it on your behalf utterly offensive that people want to get up here and say

782
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:58,380
a almost threatening comments about your elections going forward and who's going to support

783
01:28:58,380 --> 01:29:05,320
you and how much of a community support we have and I just I just find that totally offensive

784
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:09,840
and I'm sorry that you have to hear those kind of comments from our community.

785
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:12,020
Quiet, please.

786
01:29:12,420 --> 01:29:15,460
People are, uh, convote the way they want to vote.

787
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,900
Uh, again, it's not for me to ask you questions.

788
01:29:19,900 --> 01:29:35,380
But one of the things that keeps popping in my mind is that this judges decision was based on DRI and my understanding from talking to Joanne several times of your staff that this property is not a DRI.

789
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:46,020
So I'm a little confused by that. Again, I'm not asking you a question, but that might be some other fuel for an appeal of this decision because of its

790
01:29:46,020 --> 01:29:50,100
the foundation of the decision might be on loose ground.

791
01:29:51,980 --> 01:29:55,180
I do want to say that green shirts here are not pro development.

792
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:57,980
We want smart development.

793
01:29:58,300 --> 01:29:59,620
This golf course is failed.

794
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:27,060
Each time, people keep saying, we got to have a golf course. You know, this is part of the community and all this stuff. It's failed eight times. And our board and their supporters have been saying, for over a year and a half, we don't want to buy a golf course. We don't want any ownership and a golf course. We've got investors that want to own and operate a golf course. Well, come to find out at the last meeting we had, oh, now we got to have a majority interest in this golf course as a community.

795
01:30:27,060 --> 01:30:32,940
Because this great golf course is going to be so successful, may fail, and then we got a whole

796
01:30:32,940 --> 01:30:40,360
de property, crazy, crazy, crazy ideas, and I just hope that you vote in conjunction with

797
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:41,880
your legal advice on this.

798
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:42,460
Thank you.

799
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:43,120
Thank you.

800
01:30:43,660 --> 01:30:44,380
Next speaker,

801
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:50,400
excuse me sir,

802
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:00,260
PJ Ophamor, citrus county, I really truly do not want to be standing

803
01:31:00,260 --> 01:31:01,600
at this podium right now.

804
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:06,340
I didn't come here to speak. I came here to support my fellow community members and

805
01:31:06,340 --> 01:31:12,760
Pine Ridge who I respect greatly for the most part. I'm very much saddened that you all

806
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:20,780
have chosen to part, neuro up, with an out-of-town developer who has proven already that

807
01:31:20,780 --> 01:31:25,780
he is not working in the community's best interest. We can look at Crystal Oaks. We can look

808
01:31:25,780 --> 01:31:30,780
at what he has done with that property that you have approved for development. His attorney

809
01:31:30,780 --> 01:31:33,840
He has done things that shouldn't have been done.

810
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,660
One of you actually tried to shake him down last week.

811
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:41,960
I'm not sure that you should be allowed to vote because of your comments about nimbiasm

812
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:46,320
and your happiness to support everything that Dix and Mr. Batsl do.

813
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:50,940
I think it's inappropriate and I think you are very wrong.

814
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:58,780
I have heard numerous, numerous comments that Mr. Canard has spent an awful lot of private

815
01:31:58,780 --> 01:32:06,140
time with Mr. Dix and is very friendly. And I've also heard that Ms. Baze, who's trying to burn

816
01:32:06,140 --> 01:32:09,920
down the whole county on her way out because she's angry that a judge went against her,

817
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:17,160
as did the voters. That she's family to Mr. Dix. I think she must be

818
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:24,060
recused from voting on this issue. She has very evident, by her former not saying rumors that we

819
01:32:24,060 --> 01:32:24,920
I don't know, I'm sure.

820
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:29,420
Is she not related to Mr. Dix through the Lamb family?

821
01:32:31,860 --> 01:32:33,200
Well, I can ask that.

822
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,860
To me, please, OK, so I would request

823
01:32:36,860 --> 01:32:40,540
that she recuse herself from voting on this today.

824
01:32:41,300 --> 01:32:42,420
Thank you.

825
01:32:43,580 --> 01:32:44,720
Thank you for your comments.

826
01:32:45,100 --> 01:32:45,520
Next speaker,

827
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:55,820
just state your name again and where you're from.

828
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:56,940
Click with Towsky.

829
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:58,680
I do live in Pine Ridge.

830
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:02,440
Just hearing a lot of emotions here.

831
01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:07,260
hearing a lot of berating, hearing a lot of anger and a lot of disrespect.

832
01:33:08,420 --> 01:33:13,340
I kind of just wanted to give a little bit of respect to you all because you do serve the community.

833
01:33:13,940 --> 01:33:16,920
We are a republic, some people forget that.

834
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:18,580
We are a nation of laws.

835
01:33:18,940 --> 01:33:21,760
Most people forget that, especially on the road.

836
01:33:23,940 --> 01:33:30,760
I just want to remind you, as I said before, to do your due diligence, which you are,

837
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,880
and you ask the lawyer, you got the legal opinion.

838
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,640
I already told you, I'm not for one way or the other.

839
01:33:37,820 --> 01:33:41,880
I'm for trying to bring out, bring about some type of resolution,

840
01:33:42,140 --> 01:33:47,440
some type of finality to this nonsense that has been going on for over five years.

841
01:33:47,660 --> 01:33:51,060
I've been there during the process, not living there, but building a home

842
01:33:51,060 --> 01:33:56,640
and I have watched this nonsense going on, I realize there's a process.

843
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:00,440
You're following it. You must follow that process. That's your job.

844
01:34:00,440 --> 01:34:06,480
You will follow it legally. You will follow the law. You will do what the law states. You will do your due diligence

845
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:15,740
And I agree with Mr. Canard that I don't believe the judge got it right and you say that the majority people are here seem to

846
01:34:16,820 --> 01:34:22,220
agree with the judge, but you have a noisy majority here and

847
01:34:22,220 --> 01:34:28,240
You can tell that and the disrespectful majority in a lot of ways when they don't seem to get their way

848
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,660
Again, I don't care which way it goes.

849
01:34:30,820 --> 01:34:32,980
I just want to see the law followed.

850
01:34:33,460 --> 01:34:36,160
Do your due diligence, make sure this was right.

851
01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:39,620
I don't believe it was quashed as Mr. Canard said

852
01:34:40,380 --> 01:34:42,220
in the legal sense of the way.

853
01:34:42,260 --> 01:34:45,560
And it could cause problems from the past and in the future.

854
01:34:46,220 --> 01:34:48,200
And as I said, if it's just something

855
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:51,820
that needs to be restated, rerun,

856
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:56,280
you should be able to do this without legal cost

857
01:34:56,280 --> 01:35:14,800
If it's a procedural problem and you just correct rectify the procedural problem, you re-submit it or you correct the legal jargon, you probably heard they had to restate what's going to voting for the property taxes.

858
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:20,620
They had to rewrite that because a judge said it was misleading. So let's rewrite this. So it's not misleading.

859
01:35:20,620 --> 01:35:27,620
One way or the other, satisfy the laws, satisfy the people, so that there isn't this argumentative

860
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:36,680
argumentative process here that's being going on behind me, that you have to listen to and be accused and fingers pointed at that.

861
01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:38,280
That's not the way we do things.

862
01:35:39,220 --> 01:35:40,580
We're a nation of laws.

863
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:41,940
We respect that.

864
01:35:41,940 --> 01:35:42,680
We follow that.

865
01:35:42,740 --> 01:35:43,740
We respect you.

866
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:44,700
Thank you.

867
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:45,580
Thank you.

868
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:46,560
Next speaker.

869
01:35:53,410 --> 01:35:54,310
Hi, Ron Walser.

870
01:35:54,810 --> 01:35:55,590
I spoke earlier.

871
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:57,410
Are you three or five?

872
01:35:59,750 --> 01:36:02,230
We can say five, but I probably won't use it all.

873
01:36:02,570 --> 01:36:14,010
I just wanted to talk about the motion that's currently on the table was completely unexpected coming into this meeting here today.

874
01:36:14,250 --> 01:36:15,770
It was never talked about.

875
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:16,830
It was never referenced.

876
01:36:17,470 --> 01:36:27,170
But I'm getting the understanding that there was some type of correspondence that was given to the county from the applicants.

877
01:36:27,170 --> 01:36:35,350
attorney. If that's correct, and before things are voted on, the community has a chance

878
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:41,110
to voice an opinion, and I think we should know it's in that letter. I think we should

879
01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:48,070
know exactly what the details of what Mr. Kanard's Commissioner Kanard spoke about. We have

880
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:56,970
no idea what the deal you're voting on is with the applicant's attorney. To me, that seems

881
01:36:56,970 --> 01:37:01,870
like a conflict of interest right across the top, okay?

882
01:37:02,230 --> 01:37:04,890
We elect you to represent us.

883
01:37:05,170 --> 01:37:11,490
We don't elect you to join in Hitch-up with a developer

884
01:37:12,050 --> 01:37:16,230
on an application that was found judgment not ordered.

885
01:37:17,630 --> 01:37:19,030
You're not treating us fairly.

886
01:37:19,470 --> 01:37:21,210
We're here responding to something

887
01:37:21,210 --> 01:37:24,170
that we haven't been given any knowledge of.

888
01:37:24,170 --> 01:37:29,970
I think that before this vote goes through, I think that whatever that course.

889
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:45,180
The response was, should be entered into the record. I think the public should have full knowledge of what it is you're voting on before you vote it. Right now, this is a last minute thing that none of us have been made aware of.

890
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:51,440
And I don't think you're being fair to the people that have elected you to represent us. Thank you.

891
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:52,600
Thank you.

892
01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:56,100
So before I forget to say, if the board all got an email

893
01:37:56,100 --> 01:37:59,980
that Commissioner Barrick said, I never got it.

894
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,420
So I'm sure I would be left off of that,

895
01:38:03,540 --> 01:38:07,380
but I would also be interested if someone could

896
01:38:07,380 --> 01:38:08,660
forward that to me.

897
01:38:08,700 --> 01:38:10,540
I'd like to see what that says.

898
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:12,280
I'm with many of you.

899
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,660
I don't know what it says.

900
01:38:15,420 --> 01:38:16,000
Next speaker.

901
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:17,680
Come on.

902
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:19,980
I'm ready if you're ready.

903
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:20,540
All right.

904
01:38:20,540 --> 01:38:25,260
on to the war, by and rich, well, this isn't surprise.

905
01:38:26,260 --> 01:38:30,640
I was curious if there was a precedent for anything like this,

906
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:32,920
ever anywhere before,

907
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:39,640
where county commissioners would work in tandem

908
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:45,500
with a developer to, I mean, I so appreciate your surprise

909
01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:46,940
and confusion.

910
01:38:46,940 --> 01:38:53,840
Also, I would just say, and there's been a lot of here, say, expressed here, and I hate that stuff.

911
01:38:54,580 --> 01:39:01,940
It's one of the reasons in my previous comments, the LDC and the comprehensive plan need to line up,

912
01:39:01,980 --> 01:39:04,860
because that's where all this crap comes from.

913
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,200
It's not clear, it's not well-defined.

914
01:39:07,940 --> 01:39:13,060
And therefore, developers have wiggle room around the laws, and that's what's happening here.

915
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:24,020
Just, I do know, yeah, let's see, this would be here, say I won't say it, but I know that

916
01:39:24,020 --> 01:39:27,380
the developers are confident that this is going to be voted down.

917
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:32,820
I know that knew that coming in here, that they were confident, I was hoping it wasn't true.

918
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:41,980
I would be interested to know how you, Commissioner Canard, and I can't ask you a question,

919
01:39:41,980 --> 01:39:46,620
I don't expect you to answer it, but you are really well-prepared for...

920
01:39:46,620 --> 01:39:47,540
Direct comments to me.

921
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:54,420
This was a very well-prepared statement about how he would counter this.

922
01:39:55,180 --> 01:39:58,900
And that you don't want to be suspicious, but it was really well-prepared.

923
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,780
So, it just makes me nervous.

924
01:40:04,140 --> 01:40:10,740
I hope that if you follow through with this, that you are prepared for the consequences,

925
01:40:10,740 --> 01:40:13,020
because this is a big deal.

926
01:40:13,900 --> 01:40:18,020
This will hit the news more than the chronicle I would think.

927
01:40:18,660 --> 01:40:19,400
It's a big deal.

928
01:40:20,140 --> 01:40:20,540
So, anyway.

929
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:21,640
Thank you.

930
01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:28,970
Renee Pasco.

931
01:40:29,330 --> 01:40:29,530
43.

932
01:40:29,890 --> 01:40:30,670
Can you give me one section?

933
01:40:31,450 --> 01:40:35,410
Can you please follow this for me?

934
01:40:41,190 --> 01:40:41,690
He can't.

935
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:43,010
He can't.

936
01:40:43,050 --> 01:40:44,010
He's with my email.

937
01:40:44,230 --> 01:40:49,330
So, Commissioner Barrack has an email that she feels it may be pertinent.

938
01:40:49,630 --> 01:40:52,030
I mean, that would be information that I don't have.

939
01:40:52,030 --> 01:41:01,810
I don't see Reece, I don't know if he's in the back, but is Reece able to pull that from her email and then give us copies?

940
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:03,290
Hi, Reece.

941
01:41:03,850 --> 01:41:04,450
I

942
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:10,740
came from Mr. Batzel today.

943
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,640
I understand it was copied to all of you.

944
01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:18,460
Maybe it came, I mean, I checked all my emails this morning, maybe 11.

945
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,780
Oh yeah, I went and received it.

946
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:22,280
Okay.

947
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:24,640
That'd be great.

948
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:25,640
Thank you.

949
01:41:30,440 --> 01:41:32,840
Did everyone read this email?

950
01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:44,110
Forget me one second.

951
01:41:44,330 --> 01:41:46,150
If you want to sit, I'll have you right back.

952
01:41:58,250 --> 01:42:00,470
Well, Miss Lynn, maybe you should read it.

953
01:42:11,610 --> 01:42:12,790
Okay, quiet, please.

954
01:42:15,340 --> 01:42:18,300
I'll be sure that a copy gets to the clerk's office.

955
01:42:19,780 --> 01:42:22,500
Tiffany, I'll make sure a copy gets to you.

956
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,900
I just want me to read this, please.

957
01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:32,880
Ms. Lynn, Mr. Scott, and all following our recent discussions and prior to today's special meeting.

958
01:42:33,420 --> 01:42:38,040
I am writing on behalf of Southern Oak's property group LLC to request the county commissions,

959
01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:42,700
support of an appeal of the recent order issued in the case referenced above.

960
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:46,860
Because I am unable to attend today's special meeting due to a prior engagement,

961
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:50,240
I have blind copied each county commissioner on this email.

962
01:42:50,240 --> 01:43:10,540
With all due respect to our circuit court, we wholeheartedly disagree with the outcome of the appeal and the reasoning upon which it was based, which disregarded the plaintext of a statute and ignored the county's constitutional and statutory authority to make quasi-judicial decisions based upon its comprehensive plan and land development code.

963
01:43:10,540 --> 01:43:16,640
I will leave it to Mr. Scott to further explain any substantive issues, but on behalf of my client,

964
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:22,160
I will convey that we are proceeding with an appeal. We hope you will join us in this, excuse me.

965
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:24,940
We hope you will join in this effort.

966
01:43:26,340 --> 01:43:33,120
You are very well represented by Mr. Scott, and I encourage the county to defend its position through a direct petition.

967
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:41,520
if, however, the cost of an appeal is a concern, then we welcome the county to participate in our appeal as a co-petitioner.

968
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:45,900
We are, we are, what, what, what, why, please,

969
01:43:48,290 --> 01:43:49,390
why, please,

970
01:43:51,970 --> 01:43:54,990
I really don't want to remove anyone I've never had to do that.

971
01:43:55,010 --> 01:43:57,690
So, please just let Ms. Lynn read the rest of the email.

972
01:43:58,470 --> 01:44:05,930
We are similarly situated in defending the validity of the Commission's actions and more broadly, the authority of the Commission.

973
01:44:05,930 --> 01:44:11,450
And in applying its comprehensive plan and code and the rezoning of certain properties through

974
01:44:11,450 --> 01:44:17,550
the PUD process thus, if you deem it best, if you deem it the best course of action,

975
01:44:17,950 --> 01:44:22,770
then we believe it would be appropriate for the county to join in our petition to be prepared

976
01:44:22,770 --> 01:44:25,390
by our council at my client's expense.

977
01:44:26,050 --> 01:44:32,050
We are very excited to be working with Halla Sandridge of Buchanan, Ingersol, and Rooney,

978
01:44:32,050 --> 01:44:38,110
who is board-certified in a pellet practice and whose resume experience and reputation speak for themselves.

979
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:43,170
You can find more information about Miss Sandridge here and he's got a link.

980
01:44:43,490 --> 01:44:46,350
Thank you in advance for your consideration since you really robbed that.

981
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:54,050
Thank you. I did not realize that that I stand even further on my position

982
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:59,310
that that seems wrong on every level. But when it's time for the,

983
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,200
Or members to talk to me every week and get another attorney's opinion on that.

984
01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:10,080
Oh, where's my lady? That was just up here. Oh, hi. Sorry about that. Thank you for

985
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:16,240
patient. After that, I would still want to say anything. But I'm Renee Pasco, 4386 West

986
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:22,260
Mustang Boulevard Beverly Hills. And I just want to make a comment if I understand correctly.

987
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:28,380
That offered that you just read. Does that mean that he's doing the cost of legal

988
01:45:28,380 --> 01:45:33,300
and that the county would not be paying legal fees.

989
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:36,060
And if I understand correctly,

990
01:45:36,460 --> 01:45:39,100
your legal counsel suggested that you appeal,

991
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,800
and now I'm just thinking to consider that.

992
01:45:42,140 --> 01:45:45,600
You both were sued on both sides from our,

993
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:47,380
our, our, Pine Ridge equally,

994
01:45:48,180 --> 01:45:49,860
so that's just how I see it.

995
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:51,240
I would like you to consider.

996
01:45:51,480 --> 01:45:51,980
Thank you.

997
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:54,160
Next speaker.

998
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:01,540
Hi.

999
01:46:01,540 --> 01:46:06,660
round to Allen, four, four, one, two, North deck would drive Beverly Hills Pine Ridge.

1000
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:16,700
So I also would like to say that I'm not coming up here to rally votes for anyone here on the board,

1001
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:20,100
nor rally against votes for anyone here on the board.

1002
01:46:20,100 --> 01:46:26,880
I just think that that is to me that was threatening, and that's just wrong.

1003
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,340
Anyway, that's all I'm going to say about that.

1004
01:46:29,340 --> 01:46:36,120
It is also we have to keep focus on why we're here and what the what you guys are actually ruling.

1005
01:46:36,820 --> 01:46:46,020
The decision is whether the citrus court, the circuit court has made the wrong decision in their vote.

1006
01:46:46,340 --> 01:46:56,260
And it is my understanding and we listen to Joanna Kuto at the last BOCC meeting when we were here talking on the same topic.

1007
01:46:56,260 --> 01:47:04,880
She had said that this property, this golf course property, is not a DRI, and it was designated

1008
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,200
before the DRI process.

1009
01:47:07,500 --> 01:47:09,540
My understanding even was a thing.

1010
01:47:10,740 --> 01:47:17,160
So this ruling, we're talking about not spending more money from the county.

1011
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:23,260
This ruling is going to have all of you spending more of our county taxpayer dollars because

1012
01:47:23,260 --> 01:47:27,440
have to go back in history and look at the decisions that I've been made.

1013
01:47:28,440 --> 01:47:34,800
So any which way, whether the decision is nay or favor or against, there's more money

1014
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:40,240
that's going to be spent in the county as a result of this decision in the circuit court.

1015
01:47:41,020 --> 01:47:50,020
So in my opinion, I think we have to continue and go forward because it's going to affect future

1016
01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:57,200
decisions. The DRI decision too was taken outside of the county in the Circuit Court.

1017
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:02,020
It wasn't made in this county. So I don't know what happened there and all do respect.

1018
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:10,080
I'm not a lawyer or a judge, but they made a decision that's going to affect everybody,

1019
01:48:10,940 --> 01:48:16,820
including our residents. And it's not accurate as the attorney here was mentioning. Thank you.

1020
01:48:18,820 --> 01:48:24,400
Just to reiterate that Madam Attorney, this doesn't affect any past decisions because they

1021
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:27,240
don't be past their 30 day process, correct?

1022
01:48:28,100 --> 01:48:33,960
We don't believe it'll affect any past decisions, but it is within your purview to take

1023
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,680
remedial action to make sure that it doesn't affect any.

1024
01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:38,760
Thank you.

1025
01:48:38,820 --> 01:48:39,060
Hi.

1026
01:48:39,820 --> 01:48:40,140
Welcome.

1027
01:48:42,330 --> 01:48:45,250
Dale Svetten, Malah Circle, Pine Ridge.

1028
01:48:46,350 --> 01:48:48,050
This just strikes me as wrong.

1029
01:48:48,170 --> 01:48:48,530
I'm sorry.

1030
01:48:48,850 --> 01:48:59,510
I disagree with you that I feel like you're using developer money to fight your own

1031
01:49:00,550 --> 01:49:01,150
constituents.

1032
01:49:01,310 --> 01:49:02,870
This just strikes me as wrong.

1033
01:49:03,070 --> 01:49:04,490
That's just my opinion.

1034
01:49:06,370 --> 01:49:06,890
Thank you.

1035
01:49:06,890 --> 01:49:07,930
Next speaker,

1036
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:11,790
last chance for speaker.

1037
01:49:23,940 --> 01:49:24,060
Welcome.

1038
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:25,860
Welcome.

1039
01:49:26,500 --> 01:49:27,080
Thank you.

1040
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:28,760
I am more upset than I've ever been.

1041
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:31,420
Your name is Robin Orlandi.

1042
01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:34,440
And I'm speaking for myself today, three minutes.

1043
01:49:36,060 --> 01:49:48,680
I'm going to read because it's inexcusable that a last minute emailed documents submitted by a developer's attorney is again attempting to drive the outcome of a citrus county public meeting

1044
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:54,740
and disenfranchise the public and residential investment in both property and our local government.

1045
01:49:55,700 --> 01:49:59,580
Find a different way to cure the implications of the circuit court decision.

1046
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:06,760
Joining with the developers attorney to save county money against the majority requests of the citizens present today

1047
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:12,980
and outstanding listening to this meeting will put a stink on public trust of this board that's not going to go away.

1048
01:50:13,940 --> 01:50:19,820
Taking the time to decide the legality and cures for the DRI to pud language will delay

1049
01:50:19,820 --> 01:50:25,120
pending may delay, pending developments, but there has to be a better approach and one

1050
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:30,640
that will allow you to create additional guardrails to amend outdated 40-year-old processes

1051
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:37,900
to better serve our communities in the contemporary era and better serve us instead of

1052
01:50:37,900 --> 01:50:42,400
massively following a major developers attorneys lead.

1053
01:50:42,860 --> 01:50:45,680
Take the lead out yourselves to protect the nature

1054
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:49,000
coast against unwise rapid development that fails

1055
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,740
to represent the stated interests of the residents

1056
01:50:51,740 --> 01:50:55,100
before you today, and the long-term conservation

1057
01:50:55,100 --> 01:50:58,080
and quality of life interests of citrus county.

1058
01:50:58,660 --> 01:51:00,660
I know you guys know a lot more about this

1059
01:51:00,660 --> 01:51:05,420
than the majority of us do, but please represent us

1060
01:51:05,420 --> 01:51:06,340
and what's best.

1061
01:51:06,340 --> 01:51:09,680
You've got other alternatives, I'm sure, to address this.

1062
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:12,840
And as a taxpayer, I don't mind paying for separate council.

1063
01:51:13,260 --> 01:51:14,660
I know that that's a big issue.

1064
01:51:14,900 --> 01:51:17,960
And amendment three is out there terrorizing everyone.

1065
01:51:18,740 --> 01:51:20,240
But there's got to be a better way.

1066
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:22,960
Working with the developer, especially someone that said such

1067
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:27,600
a huge impact on this county, unless they change their

1068
01:51:28,440 --> 01:51:30,920
$280 degrees, that's not the way to go, guys.

1069
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:32,500
So thank you very much.

1070
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:33,840
I'm glad I'm not in your seat.

1071
01:51:36,660 --> 01:51:37,900
Next speaker,

1072
01:51:40,510 --> 01:51:41,690
last chance for a speaker,

1073
01:51:43,930 --> 01:51:47,550
closing the open to the public portion now.

1074
01:51:51,210 --> 01:51:52,510
I wanted to ask you,

1075
01:51:54,690 --> 01:52:00,470
so what kind of legal ramifications comes against the county if we're

1076
01:52:00,470 --> 01:52:06,250
citing, I mean, obviously, even if there's no legal ramifications, I agree, Mr. Orlandian,

1077
01:52:06,250 --> 01:52:10,070
they will be a stink on the sport that they will not get off,

1078
01:52:10,690 --> 01:52:14,210
but legally what issues do you

1079
01:52:18,020 --> 01:52:18,020
see.

1080
01:52:18,700 --> 01:52:21,880
Having the developer, the other party pay

1081
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:24,200
for the legal fees for the county.

1082
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:29,980
I think what I think what is being suggested by way of that.

1083
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:38,100
Email, if I can offer my interpretation, because it's not an uncommon obiture that you may see in cases like this.

1084
01:52:38,940 --> 01:52:46,560
It's not in the vein of let us handle and control the county's actions with regard to this appeal.

1085
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,000
The the obiture in the offer is that

1086
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:57,300
Southern Oaks is saying they are pursuing in appeal and they will file their brief, their petition.

1087
01:52:58,060 --> 01:53:06,100
What they are suggesting or inviting is for the county to file what we call a notice of jointer

1088
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:14,140
or a some kind of document and it uses that word at the term of art, jointer, which we see a lot in litigation

1089
01:53:14,140 --> 01:53:19,000
where one party will file a document with the court and we'll say

1090
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:28,880
We are adopting the same arguments as this other party, we're just not going to prepare an entire document that basically says the exact same argument.

1091
01:53:29,300 --> 01:53:32,080
We're just going to file this one page notice of joiner.

1092
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:40,720
It's in the vein of the document that says we agree with the legal position and we submit and we submit that position as our own position.

1093
01:53:40,720 --> 01:54:02,240
So I think that's probably, now the question is yours, that's to whether to do that, but I do think it's fair to frame the offer that's made in the e-mail to the extent it might be read one way or the other, but I think it's suggesting a classic notice of joineder in their brief if and when filed.

1094
01:54:02,700 --> 01:54:03,380
Thank you.

1095
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:13,180
I wasn't going to speak, but since Miss Orlando did, I feel like I need to respond.

1096
01:54:14,260 --> 01:54:20,640
Thank you for understanding how complex the job this job is about how many different things.

1097
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:28,340
And Mr. Scott, perhaps the one sentence layman version of what you said earlier was legal precedent

1098
01:54:28,340 --> 01:54:35,500
that imperils home rule because the state keeps telling us what we can do and can't do

1099
01:54:35,500 --> 01:54:37,340
and they don't have boots on the ground.

1100
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:42,600
For all those who cited the Tagline Renaturing Community

1101
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:50,440
Thrive, thank you. I actually wrote that and I do a lift by that. I lived in Pine Ridge for over

1102
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:57,920
four years. And those of you who feel betrayed by me, I'm pretty disappointed in you too.

1103
01:54:58,380 --> 01:55:03,460
As you had 80 homes on a golf course, and I believe my math said you could have bought it

1104
01:55:03,460 --> 01:55:07,840
for about 10,000 an acre, and then have a nature preserve in your backyard.

1105
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:10,120
That's what I really wanted for Pine Ridge.

1106
01:55:11,620 --> 01:55:16,540
And so at the end of that court, okay, that 501, I said, you got your chance.

1107
01:55:16,540 --> 01:55:23,180
go do it and you didn't do it and we can't just let that sit and sit and sit and sit and sit.

1108
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:30,500
So I've said enough I'm sorry that I disappointed some of you and doesn't really matter.

1109
01:55:30,860 --> 01:55:35,520
I may or may not run again and I'm not taking any dicks money. I've already said that over and over again.

1110
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:38,840
So thank you. I appreciate the honor of serving.

1111
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,500
Do you have some of this?

1112
01:55:43,700 --> 01:55:50,820
As I look at this, if the rest of you want to do an appeal, we do it for the county on our own

1113
01:55:50,820 --> 01:55:52,780
because that we are the county.

1114
01:55:54,060 --> 01:55:56,080
And that's how I feel, okay?

1115
01:55:56,700 --> 01:56:00,060
We pay as a county and we move forward as a county.

1116
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:09,340
Now, we need to, in the meantime, decide to draw up a new DRI amendment procedures for

1117
01:56:09,340 --> 01:56:14,060
amending DRI's in the future, and that's one of the biggest things we need to do.

1118
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:22,180
We have to say, yeah, we are going to write a new DRI amendment procedure for the future.

1119
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:26,860
Now I know it doesn't affect this one year, because it doesn't grandfather it didn't,

1120
01:56:26,860 --> 01:56:30,380
But I think that's what we should be doing today.

1121
01:56:31,420 --> 01:56:36,100
And I really think that this is a conflict of interest for a bunch of reasons.

1122
01:56:36,980 --> 01:56:41,220
But at this point, I'm just going to sit back and wait for the vote.

1123
01:56:41,700 --> 01:56:42,420
Anyone else?

1124
01:56:43,980 --> 01:56:45,860
I don't know.

1125
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,340
Over the past, I would say probably a week or so.

1126
01:56:49,620 --> 01:56:54,380
There have been, I don't know, not a lot of few conversations with our attorney.

1127
01:56:54,380 --> 01:56:59,340
as I was considering what to do here.

1128
01:56:59,960 --> 01:57:03,180
And a peel on our own was costly.

1129
01:57:04,540 --> 01:57:08,260
I totally disagreed with the ruling of the judge,

1130
01:57:09,100 --> 01:57:14,480
but did not want county taxpayers to bear the burden of that.

1131
01:57:15,060 --> 01:57:18,400
And so as Miss Lynn and I talked about it,

1132
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:22,380
the options presented were,

1133
01:57:22,380 --> 01:57:48,560
You can accept the ruling and disagree with it, but accept it, you can appeal it, or, if the applicant does file an appeal, we could do, you know, go as a co-petitioner, or she also expressed some of the words that day, I'll also use essentially saying, we agree with their position, whatever that paper and legal eases.

1134
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:57,040
And so coming into today, those were the things that I was considering, and disagreeing with the decision.

1135
01:57:58,300 --> 01:58:01,920
I would like to see an appeal. I don't want to pay a dollar for it.

1136
01:58:02,140 --> 01:58:06,280
But if the applicant is going to appeal it, then I would agree with their position.

1137
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:08,880
Anyone else?

1138
01:58:11,020 --> 01:58:11,860
Commissioner Biss,

1139
01:58:14,910 --> 01:58:16,090
I'm probably the outlier.

1140
01:58:16,090 --> 01:58:22,970
I disagree with the ruling, but I do believe that we should defend our own ordinance and

1141
01:58:22,970 --> 01:58:26,450
our own process standing independent.

1142
01:58:26,710 --> 01:58:27,890
I don't really want to spend the money.

1143
01:58:27,970 --> 01:58:30,850
Can you tell us approximately what you think this would cost?

1144
01:58:33,700 --> 01:58:34,800
We don't have to ask Mr. Scott.

1145
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:42,740
If I just off the top of my head, 15 to 20,000 around there, maybe last, maybe more.

1146
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:47,200
Part of it will be dependent upon the various arguments made by the parties, any motions,

1147
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:53,280
filed whether we have oral argument, but if I truly back at the envelope, I'll talk my head

1148
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:54,440
15 to 20.

1149
01:58:56,610 --> 01:59:02,490
I feel like we're in a no-win situation. If we stand along and we just say we disagree

1150
01:59:02,490 --> 01:59:13,830
with it and we do nothing and the dextdevelopment or whoever they are, Southern, they go ahead

1151
01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:19,330
and they file their motion and we do nothing we're going to be criticized for that and if they

1152
01:59:19,330 --> 01:59:25,410
And because we didn't defend our position, if we spend the money, we're going to be criticized because we're defending our position.

1153
01:59:25,870 --> 01:59:31,710
I have no interest in being a party to their suit.

1154
01:59:31,710 --> 01:59:37,490
I want to stay in stand independent on our own, so that would be where I would land.

1155
01:59:39,370 --> 01:59:43,550
Well, that's not the motion at hand, so we'll see what happens with this one.

1156
01:59:44,210 --> 01:59:45,670
Anyone else but if I call it?

1157
01:59:46,930 --> 01:59:47,850
All those in favor?

1158
01:59:47,850 --> 01:59:48,710
Hi.

1159
01:59:49,490 --> 01:59:50,490
Any opposed?

1160
01:59:52,290 --> 01:59:53,070
Motion fails.

1161
01:59:53,490 --> 01:59:54,190
Three, two.

1162
01:59:58,730 --> 01:59:59,970
I'd like to make a motion that we'd...

1163
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,100
Do the appeal on our own, and not to spend more than $30,000.

1164
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:05,960
Second,

1165
02:00:09,970 --> 02:00:14,210
motion by commissioner barracks, second by commissioner Bayes, any public comment?

1166
02:00:23,780 --> 02:00:30,060
Yes, I back again Tony A. O. Pymbridge. Okay, just so that you all understand what you're talking about.

1167
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:40,720
I am a taxpayer and Pine Ridge. I have to pay for both sides of this argument, which is pretty darn ridiculous.

1168
02:00:42,860 --> 02:00:50,180
because you won't go back and fix whatever law or ruling or ordinances you all have.

1169
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:52,460
Why don't you do that first?

1170
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:56,800
Then all of this will be okay.

1171
02:00:57,340 --> 02:00:58,400
It doesn't make any sense.

1172
02:00:58,660 --> 02:01:00,020
We're going to keep a peeling back and forth.

1173
02:01:00,580 --> 02:01:03,040
Okay, so one, we go to the pellet court, then what do we do?

1174
02:01:03,060 --> 02:01:04,500
Go to the state Supreme Court?

1175
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:05,660
I mean, really?

1176
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:07,560
How far are we going to take it?

1177
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:11,060
Pineries has already shown you that we're not backing down.

1178
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:17,020
Okay, the people, the majority of us, are not backing down.

1179
02:01:17,260 --> 02:01:20,740
We will take this all the way through if we have to.

1180
02:01:21,340 --> 02:01:21,500
Okay?

1181
02:01:22,220 --> 02:01:28,640
But you need to understand that me, the taxpayer, has to put the bill on both sides.

1182
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:29,940
Thank you.

1183
02:01:30,180 --> 02:01:31,220
Thank you.

1184
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:32,200
Next speaker,

1185
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:37,020
last chance for a speaker.

1186
02:01:45,310 --> 02:01:48,310
I'd like to offer a third choice.

1187
02:01:49,170 --> 02:01:50,190
You mean, of course.

1188
02:01:54,510 --> 02:01:58,330
You have already said that you'd like to reject it.

1189
02:01:58,490 --> 02:02:03,090
And then instead of fighting it, rectify it.

1190
02:02:03,210 --> 02:02:04,810
I keep saying that.

1191
02:02:05,010 --> 02:02:08,490
If you correct the deficiency rectify it for any future,

1192
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:11,930
I've already said you don't think it will affect the past ones,

1193
02:02:12,430 --> 02:02:13,630
rectify it for the future.

1194
02:02:14,710 --> 02:02:24,830
make that your stand, you already know the one who proposed all this is going to fight it, let them go ahead and do that.

1195
02:02:25,250 --> 02:02:29,630
If they come up with a positive ruling, you can go with that and he can refile.

1196
02:02:30,550 --> 02:02:37,850
It may take a little longer for him, but you can say face that way, at least just rectify the DRI process.

1197
02:02:37,850 --> 02:02:45,050
if that's what it needs, if I kind of hear that there isn't really a process that this was moved,

1198
02:02:46,390 --> 02:02:51,010
but I've heard all of that. You may even go into it and find out, oh, the DRI process was moved,

1199
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:58,610
all as well, but how do you get rid of a judge's quash? That would be done by the person who proposed it,

1200
02:02:58,870 --> 02:03:03,610
and you don't have to spend any money. As I keep saying, procedure, rectify it and move on.

1201
02:03:03,610 --> 02:03:08,850
That should just be your internal stuff. You don't always have to use legal. You may have to use

1202
02:03:08,850 --> 02:03:12,010
Use legal to file the new paperwork, but that's typical

1203
02:03:12,890 --> 02:03:18,970
Just my opinion of another possibility. Thank you. I was my first possibility. Remember it failed

1204
02:03:21,750 --> 02:03:22,950
Next speaker

1205
02:03:25,050 --> 02:03:26,690
Last year's first speaker

1206
02:03:26,690 --> 02:03:28,410
Come on

1207
02:03:39,420 --> 02:03:47,350
Greetings once again. Cary Dean, Pine Ridge. I think I've heard this correctly. There's no exposure to past cases

1208
02:03:48,670 --> 02:03:57,030
So, no one can come back and litigate against past approvals and developments that are complete

1209
02:03:57,030 --> 02:03:59,050
because 30 days has passed.

1210
02:04:00,130 --> 02:04:05,530
So, what we're facing here is, as soon as you put Citrus County commissioners or the

1211
02:04:05,530 --> 02:04:10,150
county on a lawsuit with Dix, what have you done?

1212
02:04:11,110 --> 02:04:18,250
You've created a bond that says absolutely all the jargon out there is we have a board that

1213
02:04:18,250 --> 02:04:25,870
works for Dix. What for? It's over. Let it go. Let Dix do us things. He's already said he's going to do it.

1214
02:04:26,030 --> 02:04:33,230
Fine. But keep us clean. Keep your reputations intact. Don't join us because it's a failed attempt.

1215
02:04:34,250 --> 02:04:39,410
And it'll ruin the reputation of our Connie and our board. Thank you.

1216
02:04:41,740 --> 02:04:47,600
Next speaker, no clapping, next speaker, last chance for speaker.

1217
02:04:49,540 --> 02:04:51,500
Okay, I'm closing the public portion.

1218
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:56,140
Commissioner Barrick, I hope you don't, you vote against your own motion.

1219
02:04:56,300 --> 02:05:00,920
There's no way I'm voting for spending $30,000 or less.

1220
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:06,820
I've taxpayer money to fight the people, so I hope you would reconsider that.

1221
02:05:07,480 --> 02:05:08,100
Commissioner Barrick?

1222
02:05:08,100 --> 02:05:14,140
I have one, okay, the only reason I came up with this is because we need to do something.

1223
02:05:14,640 --> 02:05:20,840
I'd want to go back to the original that we don't do anything, okay, but it didn't pass.

1224
02:05:21,420 --> 02:05:28,220
I really do not want to be tied with the developer, okay, and if our attorney over there,

1225
02:05:28,220 --> 02:05:34,960
you know, Mr. Dale says it's going to be around 15 to 20 thousand dollars, it's a lot

1226
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:36,440
of money, but it's not a lot of money.

1227
02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:43,480
Most people have a car and a car cost a lot more than $15 to $20,000.

1228
02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:46,860
So the thing is, that's where I'm coming from.

1229
02:05:46,860 --> 02:05:49,240
I'm looking, I don't want to spend any money.

1230
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:55,620
Now, if I have to always draw my motion and go back to our first motion to begin with,

1231
02:05:55,640 --> 02:05:59,640
which was, do nothing and see if we can get a three, two vote.

1232
02:06:00,260 --> 02:06:03,860
Because it's still the same meeting and I'm allowed to do that at this point.

1233
02:06:03,860 --> 02:06:12,940
As far as I know, Greg, Mr. Mano Journey, it hasn't been voted on yet. So you all can, yeah, but I can take this

1234
02:06:12,940 --> 02:06:22,760
way back and then we can as long as your second takes or second back. Okay. Because at this point, I really

1235
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:28,120
don't want to spend any money and I really don't want to do this, but if that's the only way we're

1236
02:06:28,120 --> 02:06:33,160
going to do it. Commissioner, do you want to take back your second? I'll take back my first

1237
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:41,120
We'll go back to the first motion to not do anything at this point and let the developer spend all his money and we don't spend anything.

1238
02:06:43,480 --> 02:06:45,300
I want one clarification.

1239
02:06:47,580 --> 02:06:48,240
I

1240
02:06:50,730 --> 02:06:56,470
am completely just made at the fact that we are setting.

1241
02:06:56,710 --> 02:06:58,390
We're having a special meeting

1242
02:07:01,180 --> 02:07:07,200
and if council thinks that we can they disagree with this,

1243
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:11,940
But if we just fix our code, our ordinance, that fixes everything, and we don't have to participate.

1244
02:07:13,100 --> 02:07:16,920
So why weren't we communicated that before we ever got into this special meeting?

1245
02:07:18,420 --> 02:07:27,060
That's where I'm perplexed. I find it outrageous that we haven't had those conversations

1246
02:07:27,060 --> 02:07:29,980
and why we ended up having a special meeting if...

1247
02:07:30,110 --> 02:07:31,570
This is where we're at.

1248
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:48,540
So what you're telling me from council is that if we don't join this, or if we don't file our own case, it doesn't really mean anything.

1249
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:57,840
It's just that we're doing it for the sake of saying that we disagree with the judges order. And all we need to do is go back and fix our ordinance.

1250
02:07:59,220 --> 02:08:05,580
Well, the question of whether to pursue an appeal and whether to take any action to modify or amend the ordinance.

1251
02:08:05,820 --> 02:08:10,760
There are separate questions legally. You can do one. You can do both. You can do neither.

1252
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:17,700
It is not uncommon in litigation situations, even if let's say we have prevailed with the circuit court.

1253
02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:25,280
In the case where over that you could take a second look in any applicable regulations and decide we want to tighten these up.

1254
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:29,120
want to change them up and make them bulletproof, we want to make them read a different way.

1255
02:08:29,500 --> 02:08:34,720
So that's an option that exists independent of moving through of the litigation.

1256
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:42,000
So it's not in either or situation. You can certainly amend and you can pursue the appeal.

1257
02:08:42,900 --> 02:08:45,320
Oh, what does a pursuing the appeal do for us?

1258
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:53,980
Well, there may be questions. It is true that parties had 30 days in the past to pursue

1259
02:08:53,980 --> 02:08:58,420
rates of surgery with regard to past approvals.

1260
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:04,100
But there may be, there may be ancillary legal ramifications

1261
02:09:04,100 --> 02:09:06,580
with regards to past actions and rulings

1262
02:09:06,580 --> 02:09:10,980
that this current order could possibly affect.

1263
02:09:11,860 --> 02:09:14,120
Now, that's speculation, depending on what's

1264
02:09:14,120 --> 02:09:14,960
happened in the past.

1265
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:19,120
It is that goes back to the point of ensuring

1266
02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:22,800
the integrity of the current code as written

1267
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:26,680
and avoiding the uncertainties and risks of a ruling,

1268
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:30,500
which, again, I would view as having certain infirmities.

1269
02:09:31,260 --> 02:09:35,140
But again, even though we may disagree with the court's ruling,

1270
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:39,980
if we may seek to have a higher court overturned the lower court

1271
02:09:39,980 --> 02:09:44,560
and find that the county's regulations and process followed,

1272
02:09:44,660 --> 02:09:46,100
we're in accordance with the law.

1273
02:09:46,300 --> 02:09:49,480
That is not to say there's not always an opportunity for improvement,

1274
02:09:49,480 --> 02:09:52,920
or clarification or efforts to make, to make better.

1275
02:09:53,400 --> 02:09:55,160
Again, I don't think it's in either or,

1276
02:09:55,580 --> 02:09:57,400
and I don't think it should be frameworked that,

1277
02:09:57,500 --> 02:10:00,340
because it is typical and often occurs in litigation

1278
02:10:00,340 --> 02:10:03,060
that decisions are made on the back end

1279
02:10:03,060 --> 02:10:05,360
to change things, amend things, correct things,

1280
02:10:05,740 --> 02:10:08,320
but that's not to say that warrants are justifies

1281
02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:11,680
for going into appeal as to the current immediate effects

1282
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:12,280
of the ruling.

1283
02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:16,340
And one thing that Dale didn't mention was,

1284
02:10:16,600 --> 02:10:18,720
you also have to look at the underlying decision.

1285
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:28,180
If you don't appeal, that underlying decision of the court quashing your approval of the development stands.

1286
02:10:29,120 --> 02:10:34,820
Now, the applicant is going to appeal, so I'm sure they are hopeful that they prevail

1287
02:10:34,820 --> 02:10:37,520
and that would reinstate the underlying decision.

1288
02:10:38,020 --> 02:10:44,360
But that is one big thing about the appeal that Dalton mentioned that I wanted to make sure you were thinking about,

1289
02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:48,120
because if you don't appeal, that decision is quashed.

1290
02:10:48,740 --> 02:10:51,640
So there is no approval of the development plan.

1291
02:10:55,300 --> 02:10:55,860
That's there.

1292
02:10:55,960 --> 02:10:57,380
That's not for us to fight.

1293
02:10:57,700 --> 02:10:58,440
That's, you know, some of them.

1294
02:10:58,440 --> 02:10:59,520
No, but I'm trying to make sure

1295
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:01,800
that we get a complete answer to the commissioner's question.

1296
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:05,700
So, you know, yes, you can absolutely change your code

1297
02:11:05,700 --> 02:11:08,220
to fix the underlying problem.

1298
02:11:08,840 --> 02:11:11,740
Excuse me, the wording that the court didn't like,

1299
02:11:12,020 --> 02:11:14,820
but that underlying decision, the approval of the development,

1300
02:11:14,820 --> 02:11:19,740
And that would be up in the air until the developer completes their appeal.

1301
02:11:21,140 --> 02:11:29,880
And then there still is a potential that anything else that we've approved in the past

1302
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:34,400
or saying it's not that, but if somebody wanted to challenge it, that would make it easier

1303
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:35,360
for them to challenge.

1304
02:11:36,120 --> 02:11:41,160
Well, there are a lot of creative lawyers out there that can come up with creative arguments

1305
02:11:41,160 --> 02:11:46,680
as to how a ruling that's issued by a circuit court today may affect legal consequences as the

1306
02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:53,280
things in the past. That's a bit speculative, but those kinds of arguments are not unheard of,

1307
02:11:54,280 --> 02:12:02,280
but the way that the way that we do business right now is pretty much standard across the state with

1308
02:12:03,100 --> 02:12:09,600
most counties. Generally speaking, yes. I would say every county is a little different,

1309
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:11,380
But, yes, generally speaking.

1310
02:12:12,120 --> 02:12:16,660
I think that our staff looked at other communities to see.

1311
02:12:17,560 --> 02:12:23,100
And I think the Lake County code was the only code that was found.

1312
02:12:23,820 --> 02:12:26,720
And that was the one that Judge Semento was from Lake County.

1313
02:12:26,720 --> 02:12:29,620
That's where he retired and that's the code that he used.

1314
02:12:37,950 --> 02:12:39,750
I think we're just on a slippery slope.

1315
02:12:39,750 --> 02:12:46,190
I mean, the legislature is coming hard and fast for local governments.

1316
02:12:48,450 --> 02:12:52,650
We see the eroding of home rule at every turn.

1317
02:12:52,890 --> 02:12:58,070
They're coming in and overruling what and taking away our powers at the local level.

1318
02:12:58,890 --> 02:13:05,690
I personally feel like this is one that we need to understand because I don't think it

1319
02:13:05,690 --> 02:13:06,250
ends here.

1320
02:13:06,250 --> 02:13:12,370
I think this is going to be, if we don't make a determination out of this and appeal it,

1321
02:13:12,790 --> 02:13:19,770
that this is going to have much far-reaching implications than just this case.

1322
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:25,100
So I'm going to stand by what the motion that's on the floor.

1323
02:13:25,580 --> 02:13:31,720
So what happens if Commissioner Barrick pulls back her motion, does someone else have to,

1324
02:13:32,220 --> 02:13:34,640
like you don't have an original motion maker?

1325
02:13:34,640 --> 02:13:35,620
I

1326
02:13:37,800 --> 02:13:42,260
think Commissioner Barrick would just vote against her motion if she wanted to withdraw

1327
02:13:42,260 --> 02:13:49,160
at this point because the body has the motion because it's been moved and seconded.

1328
02:13:52,950 --> 02:13:54,190
Anything else?

1329
02:13:54,590 --> 02:14:01,630
I would just say that I would prefer to not pay, however, I do believe that the optics

1330
02:14:01,630 --> 02:14:07,570
of it, even though it is a routine matter to join in with another appeal.

1331
02:14:07,570 --> 02:14:16,470
I think that the optics are poor and it's about 17 cents per resident at the maximum and you're you may be coming in at half that so

1332
02:14:17,810 --> 02:14:27,610
So I will support this motion and I think that we have to defend our authority our home rule authority and if we let us let a

1333
02:14:29,090 --> 02:14:36,190
we are not defending what we do. And whether you agree with that or not, agree with the decision

1334
02:14:36,190 --> 02:14:42,970
or not, that we very carefully consider this item and we need to defend how we ruled.

1335
02:14:44,250 --> 02:14:46,590
So I'll be in favor of it.

1336
02:14:46,870 --> 02:14:51,710
I don't know if the math is right at 17 cents, but I don't think any taxpayer out there,

1337
02:14:52,670 --> 02:14:59,970
I shouldn't say any, but I think they're going to see 30,000 dollars is a lot of money for government to go into their people.

1338
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:03,700
We'll inside with the developer. Can we should I connect?

1339
02:15:04,920 --> 02:15:11,380
Yeah, I said when I proposed my motion that I didn't want to spend a dollar of taxpayer money

1340
02:15:11,380 --> 02:15:19,360
on this and I'm going to stand by that and vote against the motion. Whether it's $5 or $15,

1341
02:15:19,600 --> 02:15:28,880
I'm not going to support going to court to appeal this. If there's an avenue to appeal it,

1342
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:35,840
again because I believe the judge got it wrong. I would support that. But if this again, I'll

1343
02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:43,840
say if this motion passes, so be it. But if not, then I'll be prepared to make a different

1344
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:52,320
motion that would be very similar to where we started with, although I would add to that I want

1345
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:58,420
to make sure that we're changing or making a text amendment so that we can protect past decisions.

1346
02:15:59,880 --> 02:16:09,380
Yes, Dan. Just following up Commissioner Kanard, we're at a special meeting so we would have to make an agenda item for you for the next meeting to get that done.

1347
02:16:09,700 --> 02:16:11,860
Perfect. Why you do that?

1348
02:16:12,180 --> 02:16:13,440
And something's go, sir.

1349
02:16:15,640 --> 02:16:17,020
All those in favor?

1350
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:18,040
Hi.

1351
02:16:19,940 --> 02:16:20,240
Yeah.

1352
02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:21,940
Any opposed?

1353
02:16:22,200 --> 02:16:22,620
No.

1354
02:16:23,740 --> 02:16:27,240
motion carries, 30, I mean, 32.

1355
02:16:33,380 --> 02:16:34,660
I'll be jumped on the right side.

1356
02:16:36,460 --> 02:16:40,220
Okay, please excuse me, the meeting's not done.

1357
02:16:40,300 --> 02:16:41,780
There's open to the public.

1358
02:16:43,020 --> 02:16:46,660
And this could be about anything you want to talk about at this open to the public.

1359
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:52,200
Just make sure that you have board excuse me.

1360
02:16:53,100 --> 02:16:57,160
Commissioner, people in the audience, I'm still conducting a meeting.

1361
02:16:57,160 --> 02:17:19,660
So you have three minutes, unless you have a letter on file, let me know that you have a letter on file and I will check with the clerk, whatever she says is gold, please keep all your comments directed as me, the chair and keep it appropriate, and to board business, but this is not about just one subject now, this can be any county business that you have. Welcome, Mr. Bryant.

1362
02:17:19,660 --> 02:17:19,900
Okay.

1363
02:17:20,900 --> 02:17:24,340
Chris Bryant, LeCanta, what is going on here, guys?

1364
02:17:24,640 --> 02:17:25,900
This is absolutely crazy.

1365
02:17:27,480 --> 02:17:30,520
We're going to spend taxpayer dollars after you guys just fought for a right rudder

1366
02:17:30,520 --> 02:17:32,400
to be dismissed because we're spending taxpayer dollars.

1367
02:17:32,740 --> 02:17:37,220
Here we are spending up to $30,000 to litigate something else for a developer buddy.

1368
02:17:37,740 --> 02:17:40,400
Had this been any other community in Citrus County, this would not be happening.

1369
02:17:41,180 --> 02:17:44,400
It's because one person is friends with three of you guys on this board, four of you guys

1370
02:17:44,400 --> 02:17:45,740
on this board, whatever the number is.

1371
02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:49,380
We're here fighting that battle for him and helping him do that.

1372
02:17:49,380 --> 02:17:55,880
The fact that we're getting emails from their attorneys the day of meetings with these different things and in the email he referenced

1373
02:17:57,040 --> 02:18:02,680
Having conversations. I know you guys are having conversations with him. I've done records requests. Speaking of records requests

1374
02:18:02,680 --> 02:18:06,060
Some of you guys aren't giving you records requests, so that's a whole different issue that we'll talk about later on

1375
02:18:07,340 --> 02:18:11,880
We need more transparency in this county. You guys are up here. Just a willy nilly deal whenever you guys want to

1376
02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:14,860
You know, I don't know what's going on here

1377
02:18:16,260 --> 02:18:17,920
So just kind of think about that going forward

1378
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:20,580
You know, we've got issues here in City County,

1379
02:18:20,580 --> 02:18:21,640
transparency is one of them.

1380
02:18:21,800 --> 02:18:22,520
People don't trust government.

1381
02:18:23,240 --> 02:18:25,200
Decisions like this, cause those issues

1382
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:26,020
to not trust government.

1383
02:18:26,600 --> 02:18:27,880
When records your requests come in,

1384
02:18:27,900 --> 02:18:29,720
and it takes you guys 60 days to get a record your quest

1385
02:18:29,720 --> 02:18:30,620
for a personal call log

1386
02:18:30,620 --> 02:18:32,320
because you guys have even so many phone conversations

1387
02:18:32,320 --> 02:18:33,360
on your personal devices,

1388
02:18:33,860 --> 02:18:34,560
and you can't differentiate

1389
02:18:34,560 --> 02:18:36,480
which ones are personal, which ones are counting calls.

1390
02:18:36,700 --> 02:18:37,300
That's a problem.

1391
02:18:38,200 --> 02:18:40,520
So I ask you guys to consider those things

1392
02:18:40,520 --> 02:18:41,360
of being more transparent.

1393
02:18:41,640 --> 02:18:42,880
That's what we want here in City County.

1394
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:43,420
Thank you.

1395
02:18:43,720 --> 02:18:44,180
Thank you.

1396
02:18:44,340 --> 02:18:44,940
Next speaker.

1397
02:18:49,100 --> 02:18:52,700
I'm Mark DePoe for a thing-poppy driving point-ridge.

1398
02:18:54,000 --> 02:19:02,920
I'm a little bit out of my strength here, but I'm assuming that you all read every word of

1399
02:19:02,920 --> 02:19:06,240
the judge's decision, is that a fair assumption?

1400
02:19:07,500 --> 02:19:07,700
Good.

1401
02:19:08,600 --> 02:19:15,940
Because what I recall is that if you do appeal it, you can't introduce anything new.

1402
02:19:16,960 --> 02:19:21,280
And now what I'm hearing is that you want to introduce something new.

1403
02:19:22,080 --> 02:19:31,420
So I think the best thing for everyone, especially the board, is to reconsider to accept

1404
02:19:31,420 --> 02:19:41,640
the decision, then make the changes that you can make and go back and read, redo it.

1405
02:19:41,640 --> 02:19:45,000
But again, I'm out of my strength here.

1406
02:19:45,780 --> 02:19:49,160
But I think you're making a mistake by considering

1407
02:19:49,160 --> 02:19:51,640
introducing new information because

1408
02:19:52,740 --> 02:19:57,120
the judges decision, I think, specifically said,

1409
02:19:58,320 --> 02:20:00,220
you can't bring in any new information.

1410
02:20:02,060 --> 02:20:04,260
So, something to think about. Thank you.

1411
02:20:04,360 --> 02:20:05,880
Thank you. Next speaker.

1412
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:13,160
While they're coming up, Madam Chair, Madam Attorney, can you address that because we're not

1413
02:20:13,160 --> 02:20:14,940
introducing anything new?

1414
02:20:17,860 --> 02:20:19,220
I'm not sure what he was talking about.

1415
02:20:19,420 --> 02:20:22,060
I didn't hear you all trying to introduce anything new.

1416
02:20:22,360 --> 02:20:28,680
What I understood Commissioner Carrt canard is going to want a agenda item at an upcoming

1417
02:20:28,680 --> 02:20:30,920
meeting to address the language of our code.

1418
02:20:30,960 --> 02:20:33,560
I don't think that has anything to do with the appeal.

1419
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:35,500
Thank you.

1420
02:20:36,100 --> 02:20:36,900
Thank you for your patience.

1421
02:20:36,900 --> 02:20:39,120
I didn't even run Dwyer and I live in Pine Ridge.

1422
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:44,120
I moved here to retire with horses and golf.

1423
02:20:44,860 --> 02:20:46,820
When I got here at the golf course I closed.

1424
02:20:47,560 --> 02:20:50,640
I bought previous year, but it took me a year to get moved.

1425
02:20:52,880 --> 02:20:55,580
A couple things I'm seeing here that I don't really like.

1426
02:20:55,900 --> 02:20:58,860
One is he doesn't get three to five minutes.

1427
02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:00,200
He gets to talk all he wants.

1428
02:21:01,160 --> 02:21:05,800
And for Dix to come in with the email, a couple of hours before this meeting

1429
02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:14,520
as a last minute. Hail Mary to change your guys' ideas is crazy. If I was going to be in a

1430
02:21:14,520 --> 02:21:21,720
courtroom and this is a courtroom, if I don't show up, it's my problem. He didn't show up. It's

1431
02:21:21,720 --> 02:21:27,320
not that important at hand, but he can email you all you guys to influence you. I don't want

1432
02:21:27,320 --> 02:21:34,300
to call this a kangaroo court, but it's looking more like that. This was crazy. Why our representatives

1433
02:21:34,300 --> 02:21:37,360
would go against us with a developer.

1434
02:21:39,520 --> 02:21:41,200
Pine Ridge is very unique.

1435
02:21:41,540 --> 02:21:47,100
I took a year to have to find this location that had golf and horses.

1436
02:21:49,460 --> 02:21:56,980
Don't ruin one of the very few places left in the country to have fees for people.

1437
02:21:57,460 --> 02:22:02,760
And for you to take a community and just rip it apart for a few dollars is crazy.

1438
02:22:04,300 --> 02:22:08,140
And as you don't vote, resign, please.

1439
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:16,020
But if you're going to go against us, remember, everybody here sees what's going on.

1440
02:22:18,260 --> 02:22:21,980
And I am not fully collected, damn sure it will be one.

1441
02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:28,920
If you guys take the motion to go against me, when I'm paying your salary, anyone of

1442
02:22:28,920 --> 02:22:29,980
my employees that have...

1443
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:39,740
My own business for 30 years, that when against me got fired, you know, we do this with votes, and I'll be more than happy to do that.

1444
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:48,000
And Holly, I gave you a really good kick when you first started out, but I'm surprised you're living in.

1445
02:22:48,920 --> 02:22:52,280
How many fine register changes? And I'm not going to make it any personal in that,

1446
02:22:55,690 --> 02:23:00,730
but Janet, you're the only one up here with any comment sets. Thank you.

1447
02:23:01,730 --> 02:23:12,550
Mr. Bear just said the motion, but he was going to bring it back to like our fairies.

1448
02:23:14,470 --> 02:23:18,830
No, ma'am. He was going to bring it back the way we voted in the first place.

1449
02:23:20,570 --> 02:23:23,150
But did I hear you incorrectly commissioner?

1450
02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:31,830
I think you hurting correctly, Commissioner, that's why I was shocked.

1451
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:33,110
Welcome.

1452
02:23:33,850 --> 02:23:34,150
Good afternoon.

1453
02:23:35,110 --> 02:23:36,290
Can I have up to five minutes?

1454
02:23:37,070 --> 02:23:37,570
Yes.

1455
02:23:38,010 --> 02:23:38,270
Thank you.

1456
02:23:39,130 --> 02:23:48,350
I wanted to respond to something that's been set a couple of times here by a member of the Board,

1457
02:23:48,350 --> 02:23:58,790
County Commission talking about Pine Ridge and the fact that we were given a chance and that we didn't do anything with that.

1458
02:23:59,290 --> 02:24:03,770
And I just wanted to, you know, every story has a couple of sides to it.

1459
02:24:04,310 --> 02:24:11,110
And in our story is this, when we won the first hearing, five to zero,

1460
02:24:13,480 --> 02:24:16,660
we tried to approach the bear in mind.

1461
02:24:16,660 --> 02:24:21,420
In order to negotiate something, it takes two willing parties to negotiate an agreement.

1462
02:24:22,220 --> 02:24:26,620
Well, the first thing that happened was the developer filed a request for relief.

1463
02:24:27,700 --> 02:24:33,320
Then he sued our president with a civil lawsuit, and then he sued the PLA homeowners

1464
02:24:33,320 --> 02:24:34,220
association.

1465
02:24:34,500 --> 02:24:38,300
So we were in the middle of litigation at that time.

1466
02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:44,920
It was kind of hard to negotiate over property issues when you're in litigation.

1467
02:24:44,920 --> 02:24:54,540
And towards the end, before the second application was filed, he made a public offering

1468
02:24:54,540 --> 02:25:01,720
to Pine Ridge that involved the golf course, Amber Ridge West, and Black Diamond Reserve.

1469
02:25:04,090 --> 02:25:09,990
Being over our head, it took a while, but the board finally agreed on hiring somebody to

1470
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:13,810
negotiate the best interest of Pine Ridge in this situation.

1471
02:25:14,910 --> 02:25:22,150
Well, Mr. Dix decided that he didn't want to negotiate with Pine Ridge's negotiator.

1472
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:28,390
So the chance that you gave us is not fair to say that we didn't do what we had to do

1473
02:25:28,390 --> 02:25:30,190
to try and make that negotiation.

1474
02:25:30,570 --> 02:25:32,630
We're still open to negotiating.

1475
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:34,450
We think there is a way forward.

1476
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:37,510
We have an offer on his table.

1477
02:25:37,510 --> 02:25:43,670
There was meetings with him initially, but I don't know why he doesn't want to try and work

1478
02:25:43,670 --> 02:25:44,670
something out with us.

1479
02:25:44,830 --> 02:25:51,850
We don't want to continue to negotiate, I mean to litigate, we don't want you guys to have

1480
02:25:51,850 --> 02:25:52,850
to go through this.

1481
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:59,810
We want to solve the issue and we want to solve it so everybody wins, but we have a settlement

1482
02:25:59,810 --> 02:26:05,190
agreement on one of those properties and it's a court-ordered binding settlement agreement.

1483
02:26:05,190 --> 02:26:08,830
And we're willing to work so that it can still protect

1484
02:26:08,830 --> 02:26:12,150
Pine Ridge and allow the developer to move forward

1485
02:26:12,150 --> 02:26:13,190
himself.

1486
02:26:14,070 --> 02:26:17,150
But if we don't, if he won't talk to us,

1487
02:26:17,630 --> 02:26:20,330
it's not fair to say that you gave us a chance,

1488
02:26:20,470 --> 02:26:22,110
because nobody's given us a chance.

1489
02:26:22,210 --> 02:26:24,670
And not even here today, we're seeing that.

1490
02:26:25,050 --> 02:26:28,450
Okay, the other issue is that we had home owners,

1491
02:26:28,470 --> 02:26:31,310
so frustrated with us going on, they decided,

1492
02:26:31,670 --> 02:26:34,590
well, let's go to Mr. Dix and buy the property.

1493
02:26:34,590 --> 02:26:44,030
like you suggested. Okay? James Dicks gave them an incredible price and then the only way he

1494
02:26:44,030 --> 02:26:50,930
would approve selling it is if they could convince our board of directors to allow him to do

1495
02:26:50,930 --> 02:27:00,870
whatever he wanted on the Amber Ridge property. So it's been a nonstarter for us. We're willing

1496
02:27:00,870 --> 02:27:06,790
work something out. So I just want to make that clear. It's not that we're stubborn, it's not that

1497
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:15,210
we don't want to help or make a good, viable solution to a very difficult problem. We wanted to

1498
02:27:15,210 --> 02:27:23,550
go away. I think that's why we see so much animosity in the group that's for and the group that's

1499
02:27:23,550 --> 02:27:29,890
against it. One group just wants it to go away and hopefully act like it's not going to impact

1500
02:27:29,890 --> 02:27:36,410
the community the way we're telling him that it will. And the other side is understanding

1501
02:27:37,890 --> 02:27:43,030
what the land development code comprehensive plan and the impact that that has on a

1502
02:27:43,030 --> 02:27:50,990
vested DRI, if we allow this change to take place, where we lose the overlay. And it is an overlay.

1503
02:27:50,990 --> 02:27:57,470
And it's a parks recreation golf course.

1504
02:27:58,210 --> 02:28:02,230
It can only be used at this point as a golf course.

1505
02:28:02,250 --> 02:28:06,470
It can't be used for a go-car park or anything like that.

1506
02:28:06,570 --> 02:28:09,530
It's designated as a golf course.

1507
02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:11,950
It's always been part of Pine Ridge.

1508
02:28:12,370 --> 02:28:15,450
There's one of the reasons that many have bought in there.

1509
02:28:15,450 --> 02:28:26,130
We have the ability to try and resurrect this golf course and save our community as one of the unique gems and citrus county.

1510
02:28:26,770 --> 02:28:37,250
A Mackel Brothers always developed their communities where they had dual major amenity uses, where you had a golf course, and you had an a question in the center.

1511
02:28:37,530 --> 02:28:43,550
We'd like to keep it that way and I just, you know, I just wanted you to understand we didn't have a chance.

1512
02:28:43,550 --> 02:28:44,970
Next speaker,

1513
02:28:47,340 --> 02:28:48,780
General, open to the public.

1514
02:28:50,400 --> 02:28:51,860
Yep, I'm back again.

1515
02:28:52,900 --> 02:28:54,320
This time I want clarification.

1516
02:28:55,740 --> 02:28:58,640
Okay, because it turns out sounds like things got muddled.

1517
02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:03,520
That motion that you just approved, three, two.

1518
02:29:03,860 --> 02:29:10,520
Wasn't that by Janet Barrick and then second by Bayes in order to pay the $30,000 for the appeal.

1519
02:29:10,520 --> 02:29:40,500
Okay, and then it was a discussion with our commissioner from Pine Ridge that she was going to vote no against that because she did want to spend a money and this was a discussion because we're back and forth and now, when you had the vote, she voted yes, she wants to spend the $30,000 to appeal is okay, because I just want to make sure that we got I got that clear that it is our commissioner from Pine Ridge that voted to do this.

1520
02:29:40,520 --> 02:29:49,420
Okay, so that's who I have to blame because my taxes I have to pay 45 that $4,500 this year.

1521
02:29:49,420 --> 02:29:50,920
Thank you.

1522
02:29:50,920 --> 02:29:51,920
Thank you.

1523
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:52,700
Next speaker.

1524
02:29:59,060 --> 02:29:59,970
My name is Theresa.

1525
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,740
The force to hire a living, how you've drive, on how you've drive in Pine Ridge.

1526
02:30:06,020 --> 02:30:14,300
I haven't heard anyone discuss the impact of all these new homes going, and there's homes

1527
02:30:14,300 --> 02:30:19,460
going in, there's a brand new freeway, wasn't there when I moved here. When I moved here,

1528
02:30:19,560 --> 02:30:26,740
there was nothing but angus pastures. And that's the only reason I agreed to move here. But it was

1529
02:30:26,740 --> 02:30:27,920
because of the horses.

1530
02:30:28,940 --> 02:30:32,280
I'm on horseback at least five days a week.

1531
02:30:32,920 --> 02:30:35,180
In Pine Ridge on the 28 miles of trail,

1532
02:30:35,420 --> 02:30:38,040
we cross, there's a couple trails that cross

1533
02:30:38,040 --> 02:30:39,960
Pine Ridge Boulevard and Mustang.

1534
02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:45,540
And those two roads are treacherous at dinner time.

1535
02:30:45,620 --> 02:30:47,080
People are moving on going home.

1536
02:30:47,880 --> 02:30:48,620
I'm a good rider.

1537
02:30:48,820 --> 02:30:50,620
I've got really good train horses.

1538
02:30:50,780 --> 02:30:53,300
Some of these people that I ride with,

1539
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:59,060
They're, you know, in their 70s, 80s, and many of them are just frightened.

1540
02:30:59,880 --> 02:31:03,820
The traffic is something that needs to be really considered.

1541
02:31:04,780 --> 02:31:11,880
And, you know, if this is a recreational subdivision, you know, horses have a mind of their

1542
02:31:11,880 --> 02:31:12,040
own.

1543
02:31:12,140 --> 02:31:13,220
They're not like a mini bike.

1544
02:31:13,300 --> 02:31:14,380
You can just turn them off.

1545
02:31:14,500 --> 02:31:19,060
And we've already got four wheelers trying to get on the trails and, you know, a lot of people

1546
02:31:19,060 --> 02:31:21,040
walk their dogs, which I don't care about that.

1547
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:24,120
but the motorized stuff, the e-bikes,

1548
02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:27,680
these people buy a house with big house

1549
02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:29,120
and they go, oh, we have a acreage

1550
02:31:29,120 --> 02:31:31,900
and there's kids right all over with e-bikes.

1551
02:31:32,420 --> 02:31:34,700
And I get that too, but it's not allowed.

1552
02:31:35,580 --> 02:31:38,240
And so the question you use is unique.

1553
02:31:40,780 --> 02:31:46,520
It's not an extreme popular thing

1554
02:31:46,520 --> 02:31:49,780
because not everybody puts horses in their backyard

1555
02:31:49,780 --> 02:31:54,900
like I have for 50 years, you know, it's a lifestyle and that's why I came here.

1556
02:31:56,980 --> 02:31:58,580
So I don't

1557
02:31:58,580 --> 02:32:04,220
envy any of your jobs. I like to be retired, but thank you.

1558
02:32:04,340 --> 02:32:06,280
Thank you. Next speaker.

1559
02:32:15,150 --> 02:32:17,970
Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Alexis Wilkins and I am a

1560
02:32:17,970 --> 02:32:22,770
property owner and taxpayer. First, thank you for your service and your decision today to seek

1561
02:32:22,770 --> 02:32:28,490
a pellet review. I want you to know that Pine Ridge property owner's association does not speak

1562
02:32:28,490 --> 02:32:33,590
for all of the Pine Ridge residents. Many of us believe that 80 homes on more than 200 acres

1563
02:32:33,590 --> 02:32:39,190
is a sensible, low-density compromise. What concerns me is that this fight increasingly appears

1564
02:32:39,190 --> 02:32:45,550
to be how much money or value our POA can extract from the developer. At a POA sanctioned meeting

1565
02:32:45,550 --> 02:32:50,970
just this past Saturday settlement discussions included compensation from the developer acquisition

1566
02:32:50,970 --> 02:32:55,750
of the golf course property and other potential financial benefits to the association.

1567
02:32:56,990 --> 02:33:00,870
At some point, we have to ask, are we protecting Pine Ridge or are we using

1568
02:33:00,870 --> 02:33:06,090
opposition to development as leverage to extract a more lucrative deal?

1569
02:33:06,590 --> 02:33:11,370
Please remember that we are Pine Ridge too. We are homeowners, we are voters, and we are taxpayers,

1570
02:33:11,810 --> 02:33:15,550
and our voices deserve to be heard. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker?

1571
02:33:15,550 --> 02:33:15,730
I

1572
02:33:25,710 --> 02:33:31,510
have to do commissioners up. I've been up a few times. Take my three minutes.

1573
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:35,000
I'll ask a question.

1574
02:33:35,620 --> 02:33:40,800
My name is Mario Leone. I live in Pine Ranch. I own multiple properties and my parents are residents.

1575
02:33:41,360 --> 02:33:49,180
My parents are older. They're retired. And I've taken upon myself to move into the area to make sure that they're comfortable.

1576
02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:56,600
and that as they get older, they don't get taken advantage of. I see a lot of families in similar

1577
02:33:56,600 --> 02:34:03,740
situations that might not have their kids close. I just have one question and as far as everything

1578
02:34:03,740 --> 02:34:09,900
I've been able to look up, I haven't seen that Gulf State that Gulf property up for sale. It was

1579
02:34:09,900 --> 02:34:14,940
open one day. It was closed. Nobody had noticed that it was up for sale and all of a sudden

1580
02:34:14,940 --> 02:34:21,660
a popular developer purchased it that's on record that's what I found so I'm confused with

1581
02:34:21,660 --> 02:34:25,720
we found an opportunity to buy I think somebody else spoke to that already but that property

1582
02:34:25,720 --> 02:34:31,440
never went up for sale it was a it was a deal it was done prior so we didn't have the opportunity

1583
02:34:31,440 --> 02:34:36,180
nobody had the opportunity I think individual investors had they known we'd be here what have

1584
02:34:36,180 --> 02:34:40,940
jumped we can't go backwards but we can go forwards I'm concerned that we're using taxpayer money

1585
02:34:44,710 --> 02:34:51,190
to litigate this. I don't envy your jobs for sure. I know it's not easy, but the only thing is as I was

1586
02:34:51,190 --> 02:35:06,110
as we elect you as stewards and we hope that you do the best thing for everybody. I don't think we're doing that right now and I think that decision is wrong. Thank you.

1587
02:35:06,110 --> 02:35:07,630
Thank you. Next speaker.

1588
02:35:20,200 --> 02:35:21,380
Of course, Brian, the citrus insider.

1589
02:35:22,240 --> 02:35:23,620
So five minutes for this one.

1590
02:35:26,210 --> 02:35:27,550
Not an open to the public.

1591
02:35:28,150 --> 02:35:28,890
Yes, he was.

1592
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:34,470
So the ordinance is that organizations get five minutes and

1593
02:35:34,470 --> 02:35:35,490
individuals get three minutes.

1594
02:35:35,670 --> 02:35:38,210
Does not say that individuals can't represent organizations of ice.

1595
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:39,450
Go ahead, five minutes.

1596
02:35:39,670 --> 02:35:42,270
Okay, so I heard Commissioner Barrick

1597
02:35:42,270 --> 02:35:45,810
State earlier that she might have missed her commissioner card.

1598
02:35:46,070 --> 02:35:49,270
When he proposed the second adjustment to his.

1599
02:35:50,030 --> 02:35:53,630
Motion there, and then I heard somebody say that you guys on the option and change it.

1600
02:35:53,970 --> 02:35:55,870
I'm going to present to you the options of change it.

1601
02:35:55,970 --> 02:35:57,730
So you guys have the option for a motion to reconsider.

1602
02:35:58,350 --> 02:36:03,130
It takes one of you guys to do it a second one to second it and then you guys get to reconsider the previous motion.

1603
02:36:03,750 --> 02:36:05,510
Let me read this to you guys if you're not familiar.

1604
02:36:06,250 --> 02:36:12,270
The motion to reconsider allows the board to debate whether or not to over turn a decision made at the meeting that's currently in progress.

1605
02:36:12,410 --> 02:36:16,350
It allows the board to consider new information that may affect the decision that's already been made.

1606
02:36:16,350 --> 02:36:19,770
and a commissioner can make the motion to reconsider and any commissioner can second it.

1607
02:36:20,030 --> 02:36:24,270
The motion is debatable, but cannot be amended. Majority roll the vote is required to make the motion

1608
02:36:24,270 --> 02:36:29,110
pass. So therefore if you guys want to reconsider that, if Commissioner Barrick had the new

1609
02:36:29,110 --> 02:36:33,330
information, she'd understand what Commissioner Canara was proposing on his secondary motion if it

1610
02:36:33,330 --> 02:36:38,070
was to come. You guys have the ability to go back to that, and that would remove the taxpayer

1611
02:36:38,070 --> 02:36:44,090
liability on paying for thisinerage period. So I suggest you guys do that. It can end in the same

1612
02:36:44,090 --> 02:36:48,490
votes for this option, but it gives you a reconsideration for that. Thank you.

1613
02:36:48,630 --> 02:36:50,530
Thank you. Next speaker.

1614
02:37:03,040 --> 02:37:04,360
P.D. Our Famous Searcher's County.

1615
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:10,080
So from the beginning of this whole debacle with Dick's Development and Pine Ridge,

1616
02:37:11,000 --> 02:37:17,800
my theory has always been that we had a DRI that was granted with open spaces and recreational spaces

1617
02:37:17,800 --> 02:37:20,700
that allowed a certain number of homes to be built.

1618
02:37:20,700 --> 02:37:29,760
Your actions, whether you think they are right or wrong, took away that option to have the recreational space and in my thinking.

1619
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:38,780
That means that the DRI for Pine Ridge is non-conforming. It no longer has what was required in the open spaces

1620
02:37:38,780 --> 02:37:45,840
and recreation spaces to be a DRI or development. I think you're wrong in that, and I think

1621
02:37:45,840 --> 02:37:52,840
that you're choosing to fight this, whether you when or lose could open up future lawsuits with

1622
02:37:52,840 --> 02:37:59,080
other areas that want to take away from open space or recreational space that has been granted to them.

1623
02:37:59,080 --> 02:38:02,840
so that they could build only a certain number of homes.

1624
02:38:03,100 --> 02:38:07,780
You are setting a precedent in saying that this is okay,

1625
02:38:08,300 --> 02:38:10,440
and it's absolutely not okay.

1626
02:38:11,060 --> 02:38:13,560
Primeraage is, in prime-rich.

1627
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:17,040
Pine Ridge is one of the premier communities

1628
02:38:17,040 --> 02:38:18,600
in the state of Florida.

1629
02:38:19,100 --> 02:38:20,900
There are people who are leaving other

1630
02:38:20,900 --> 02:38:23,500
equestrian communities to come here

1631
02:38:23,500 --> 02:38:26,860
because of what Pine Ridge stands for and is.

1632
02:38:28,040 --> 02:38:34,480
We shouldn't be fighting them and fighting them with a developer who doesn't have the best interests

1633
02:38:34,480 --> 02:38:36,480
of Citrus County at heart.

1634
02:38:37,240 --> 02:38:45,220
I sincerely hope that you will consider reconsidering your votes and just stop this nonsense.

1635
02:38:46,140 --> 02:38:50,900
We're better than this, we don't need this, we don't need to be deciding with developers

1636
02:38:50,900 --> 02:38:52,780
who don't have our best interest.

1637
02:38:53,360 --> 02:38:54,420
Do the right thing.

1638
02:38:54,640 --> 02:38:55,120
Please.

1639
02:38:55,660 --> 02:38:56,120
Thank you.

1640
02:38:56,120 --> 02:38:57,640
Thank you. Next speaker.

1641
02:39:10,220 --> 02:39:23,860
Robin Orlando. I hadn't planned to come back up, but I just want to echo the sentiment of the last several speakers and say go back to your original motion. No litigation. Just don't get involved. Correct.

1642
02:39:23,860 --> 02:39:31,360
the DRI, the amendment, and move forward with that, that saves taxpayer money and it gets to the issue

1643
02:39:31,360 --> 02:39:38,780
at heart, which is how do we add the legal language to the DRI to put conversion so that it stands

1644
02:39:38,780 --> 02:39:43,100
and is what it needs to be. Thank you very much and again, good luck.

1645
02:39:43,640 --> 02:39:44,820
Thank you. Next speaker,

1646
02:39:47,810 --> 02:39:48,950
last chance for a speaker.

1647
02:39:51,600 --> 02:39:54,700
Okay. I will close the public comment or they

1648
02:39:54,700 --> 02:39:58,460
open to the public, since it was mentioned,

1649
02:39:58,640 --> 02:40:01,320
the motion to reconsider Commissioner Barrick.

1650
02:40:02,620 --> 02:40:03,720
You are mistaken.

1651
02:40:04,280 --> 02:40:07,420
Commissioner, can I order any commissioner myself?

1652
02:40:07,840 --> 02:40:11,860
He made a motion, you said he would go back to the original.

1653
02:40:12,400 --> 02:40:16,140
His motion failed, he cannot make the same,

1654
02:40:16,340 --> 02:40:18,440
you can't come up here and just keep making the same motion.

1655
02:40:18,900 --> 02:40:22,980
When it fails, just like I could not go back to the first motion

1656
02:40:22,980 --> 02:40:30,460
and make it because I made the motion and it failed, he is allowed to make a motion that I made

1657
02:40:30,460 --> 02:40:39,920
because he voted against it a first time. So you are, or were confused. So that is why it was brought

1658
02:40:39,920 --> 02:40:46,040
up motion to reconsider. If that's something you want to do, I will second it. And I say that

1659
02:40:46,040 --> 02:40:54,020
because I do like the motion to reconsider the motion to spend $30,000 or less.

1660
02:40:55,020 --> 02:40:55,020
Second,

1661
02:40:57,280 --> 02:40:58,600
motion by Commissioner Barrack.

1662
02:40:59,020 --> 02:41:03,120
Second by Commissioner Finnigan, this is not open to the public.

1663
02:41:03,700 --> 02:41:05,940
No, this is what this is within the board.

1664
02:41:06,540 --> 02:41:10,760
So now you would discuss it and then you determine whether or not you're going to reconsider.

1665
02:41:11,060 --> 02:41:11,780
Thank you.

1666
02:41:11,920 --> 02:41:12,920
And you vote on that.

1667
02:41:12,920 --> 02:41:23,660
Then if you do vote to reconsider, then that original motion goes away and you start from scratch and then those motions that you make would be entitled to open to the public.

1668
02:41:25,560 --> 02:41:28,800
Or there's a motion in a second to reconsider the last motion.

1669
02:41:31,590 --> 02:41:32,210
No discussion.

1670
02:41:35,000 --> 02:41:35,560
Okay.

1671
02:41:35,880 --> 02:41:36,900
All those in favor.

1672
02:41:38,080 --> 02:41:38,340
Nay.

1673
02:41:39,240 --> 02:41:39,940
Very opposed.

1674
02:41:40,220 --> 02:41:40,520
Okay.

1675
02:41:40,640 --> 02:41:45,000
Motion carries three to the last motion that was passed.

1676
02:41:45,000 --> 02:41:49,100
will no longer be considered as a motion and we will start again.

1677
02:41:49,740 --> 02:41:50,360
Madam Chair.

1678
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:51,500
Commissioner Canard.

1679
02:41:51,960 --> 02:41:56,160
I will restate my position that I totally disagree with the judge's order.

1680
02:41:56,180 --> 02:42:00,700
I believe that he got it wrong, but I am not willing to spend any county tax

1681
02:42:00,700 --> 02:42:03,360
fair money to appeal this.

1682
02:42:03,420 --> 02:42:08,120
So I would make a motion that we accept the ruling and we'll move forward.

1683
02:42:08,180 --> 02:42:14,800
Hopefully there will be an agenda item coming forward to make a text

1684
02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:22,720
amendment to our LDC and protect decisions that are made on previous DRI amendments.

1685
02:42:23,780 --> 02:42:30,380
Motion by Commissioner Kanard, second by Commissioner Bayrick, any public comment,

1686
02:42:32,890 --> 02:42:32,930
last

1687
02:42:32,930 --> 02:42:40,250
chance for public comment, any further board discussion, all those in favor, aye, any

1688
02:42:40,250 --> 02:42:40,810
post,

1689
02:42:42,880 --> 02:42:44,160
wish a curious 5-0.