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>> Welcome back to this weekly

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meeting of the Health and

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Safety Committee with Denver

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City Council. Coverage of the

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health and Safety Committee

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starts now.

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>> good morning. This is the

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MARCH 18,000 Safety Committee

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meeting on mines. Darrell

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Watson. I'm honored to serve

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as the chair of this committee

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as well as the city council

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member representing all of the

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fine district 9. We have on

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the agenda this morning. An

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action for the Axon contract

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before we roll into this

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presentation. When we start

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introductions by city council

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members starting on right.

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>> Thanks sure. Kevin Flynn

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from Southwest numbers locally

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District little. Is there any

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wonder to council is a large

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from the entire police

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Boulder, Loveland.

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>> In tourists from West

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Denver district, 3 men to

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district 5. Cashman South 100

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district.

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>> Good morning. Everyone said

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in a Gonzales, also from have

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large lovely city of Denver.

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It does like a district 7.

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>> Also, we'll turn it over to

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Tim Hoffman for the

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presentation. And you think

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announcement on oldest

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introduced myself a lot of it

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the team introduced themselves

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as well. My name is Tim

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Hoffman. I'm in the Mayor's

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services, stricter policy. And

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good morning. Cliff Barnes. I

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up commander of our side your

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>> Tears to grow depiction of

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certain knowledge services.

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>> And we're here today to

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talk about license plate or

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your contract with Axon that

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closing. Through a couple

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slides and over to come into

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Barnes, talk through some of

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the specifics the details

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before you jump in. Kind of

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jumped ahead of protocol and

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Anyone was online or their

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producers are many

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councilmembers Seeing none

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sorry staff turn a battery.

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It's okay. So the contract

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details here. It's $150,000

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one year contract. Obviously

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the $150,000 Alec is below the

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normal $500,000 threshold.

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That would trigger a council

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action. The administration,

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the mayor are bringing this

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contract through the formal

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city council process,

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including in this committee

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and the full Council based on

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the promises that the mayor

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made when we were going

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through the last 10 years, no

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cost contract extension.

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They're request today is to

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vote to delay this contract,

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which is resolution. 26 a 0,

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2, 4, 6, tweedy certain of

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MARCH 18th in the Health and

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Safety Committee. That is due

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to the fact we and our

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discussions with you all

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promised that before this item

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appeared in committee would

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get you a copy of the actual

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contract for you to review and

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to be able ask questions

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about. We getting pretty close

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to having that prepared fee,

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but it was not ready in a

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timely manner to present to

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you in advance to get even

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time to review. And so we're

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asking we're going to do the

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presentation today. We want to

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have keeping a in a discussion

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on it and get you all the

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actual contract with a little

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bit more time to review it

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before it comes back to

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committee for for further

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discussion before moving on to

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the full council. So just want

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to level. So the fact is the

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request today. It's often with

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that we here of your

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presentation questions from

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>> put forward that request to

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delay action on into next

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week. One of the things I want

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insist upon is that that

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contract see by Friday. And

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can you stipulate that that

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has been the discussion, what

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acts on and with the city that

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we have, actual contract

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available by Friday.

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>> Yeah, we're we're we're

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pushing towards. We can make

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sure that you guys have ample

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time to review and understand

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that before the weekend is is

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where that needs to be in.

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Obviously we'll we'll be in

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touch as things progress. So I

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want to be clear on see they

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had contracted next week.

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>> Still will not provide time

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for us to be able to vote

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fully on that by Wednesday. So

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I want to put on the that by

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end of this week, it is

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essential. We have that

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contract. Understood. Thank

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Co-chair icu rework its

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server. It's a got so the the

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request was by Friday's sooner

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is requested. If there's

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anything that we need to do to

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help with moving that this has

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been a long process. We want

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to get to voting on this and

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we cannot without a contract.

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Good morning council members.

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I know that I'm most of you

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have seen the the presentation

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of this point and deaths. All

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try to keep the this morning.

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There's been a slight change.

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I think I can at this earlier

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in the week during the

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one-on-one briefings instead

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of having, you know, 1, 2,

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different types of cameras

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essentially in this contract.

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It's just going to be one type

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of cameras receiving 50 acts

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on outpost cameras. It for

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150,001 year contract even

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though it's a one-year

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contract. There's a multi year

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warranty maintenance agreement

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with those 50 devices. In

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addition, we also obtain

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access to the software

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application or sweet that

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allows our users to utilize

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the lpr devices. There has

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been. And I know we went

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through some of this, but

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there has been a lot of

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scrutiny during this process

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in regards to data protection

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and safeguard surrounding the

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system based on the feedback

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that we've received from

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various converse in various

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conversations. And from that

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from the community. So, for

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example, with the software

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application when users utilize

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that they are required to put

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in a case number and reason

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for each brewery as are

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utilizing the system in all of

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those. All of that, all the

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screen transactions are stored

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in an immutable for further

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auditing and We're going to

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get much more to the details

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of the protections that are

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going to be built into this

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agreement with acts on. But

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just a high level.

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>> access to the APRIL ale pr

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system with acts on can be

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limited to Denver safety

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personnel only. That includes

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a couple of arson

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investigators from the fire

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department, but by and large

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will be police officers. But a

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couple of other safety

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personnel and vehicles. Axel

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and as a company does not have

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a national database national

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lookup feature. So it's not

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something that we're going to

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be enrolled into common. Any

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or fashion of access is really

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just going to shut down to

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police officers and a couple

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of other safety personnel.

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Denver will. It's going to be

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made clear in that contract.

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It's also something that acts

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on spells out in their

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policies and procedures.

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Denver will own and control

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its own There won't be any

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sort of using our meta data to

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train ai models. There's not

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going to be selling any of

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license plate reader. GOD of

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to 3rd parties or anything

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like that, commuter van. We'll

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talk about the the level data

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security that acts on uses. I

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think of the find vendors who

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applied in this rfp process

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acts on had the highest level

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data security. We are reducing

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the retention policy in the

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city is currently license

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plate reader information. We

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retain that data for 30 days.

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days. Moving forward with this

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new contract. Then commuter

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Barnes, we get into this in

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much more detail. That access

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to the system is logging on

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and the commander can talk

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about the process by which

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safety staff make sure that

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that's being regularly

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related the there were 6 total

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bidders are one. There is one

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matter that pulled out. So,

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you know, in the end, her 5

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daughters that were considered

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in this process, acts on

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vendor brought the highest

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level security to the table

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with a fed fed ramp high

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authorization. This

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essentially that the highest

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level of of federal cloud

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security standards. And really

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what that amounts to is

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there's there's over 392

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individual security standards

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or controls that the vendor

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has to comply with and show

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that they're compliant order

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to achieve that. One of the

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specific items that my was

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sure to ask each vendor is,

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you know, there are some

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concerns about other platforms

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that MAY have, you know, the

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15 it was recovered off of

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other types of the lpr

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platforms somewhere somewhere

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to be able to obtain physical

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access to the devices. So we

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have some really targeting

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questions of each vendor in

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that regard. Attacks on uses

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encryption on the device

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itself. So the data is

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encrypted at rest. And in

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addition to that, as images

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are collected and uploaded to

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the evidence dot com Cloud

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repository. They're

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immediately removed from the

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local device. What makes the

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recovery of any evidence or

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data from the device. Very

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improbable. And additionally,

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axons compliant with a lot of

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other standards. So nist

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center up. We also

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specifically asked each vendor

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if you know, perform manual

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third-party penetration

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testing, which they do when

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they provide us those results

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annually. Additionally, we

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asked if the city county of

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Denver could perform their own

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penetration testing on these

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devices to make sure you know,

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we can also check to make sure

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that they're complying with

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their security standards, for

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example, that the technology

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services security team could

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do that and day acknowledged

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and said that they would be

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willing to allow us to do

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that. Interesting testing. And

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really worth mentioning these

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devices integrate directly

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with the evidence dot com

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secure digital evidence

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repository that the city and

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county of Denver is used for

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many years. Acts on is the

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provider of that. But that is

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where all of data and evidence

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is securely managed in stores.

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I know the 2 mentioned that

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there's, you know, we're

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working on on various types of

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insurance, isn't controls that

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that we retain complete

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control and ownership over our

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data. I know that he did

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mention that are team during

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this process, asked very

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specifically targeting

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questions about will you

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resell or provider data in any

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way to any 3rd parties and

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axons response was no, it's

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fairly very clearly outlined

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in their data governance

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documents and policies.

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Additionally, I know that to

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mention this as well. They do

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not use any of our data to

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train any ai models. Also that

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that language is being built

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into the contract. So there's

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going to be like I said,

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numerous levels of assurances

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of that. I know that I'm also

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mentioned that platform is

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inherently different some of

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the other competitors in the

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market and that there is no

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nationwide ensuring that work

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for the specific platform all

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in all data sharing is is like

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a one to one relationship

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between one agency to another

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agency and invite only fully

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revoke a bull. So there is no,

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there's no pathway for, you

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know, inadvertently being

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enrolled in any type of

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nationwide sharing network

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cetera. The get into a little

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bit more. But I did mention

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earlier that there is an

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immutable lock, every user

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that accesses the system, the

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way in which they access the

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system date and time with the

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reason the system for has long

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been all talk about the policy

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surrounding that here shortly.

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And then as part of our our

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Dean ownership guarantees acts

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on in their data governance

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documents explicitly outline

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they receive any type of legal

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requests of subpoenas, court

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orders, cetera, for for data,

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then they refer that directly

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to the customer's city and

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county of Denver in this case

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so that our legal teams and

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city attorney's office can

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respond accordingly to those

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to those request.

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And numerous policy safeguards

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that that are in place today

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and will remain in place. This

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is not you know, a a

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completely conclusive list of

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every policy controls in

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place. But I feel like there's

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there's a few that are There's

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a mandatory training

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requirement for every user

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that's on board the system. So

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as the the Axon platform is

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implemented, all users will

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have to go mandatory training.

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Part of that training is

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outlining acceptable use of

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the platform. These devices

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MAY only be deployed and used

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areas of the city that there

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were. There is no reasonable

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expectation of privacy. So

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public areas public right of

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way. There are numerous

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explicitly prohibit uses in

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policy. And these are just a

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handful that I think it's

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worth mentioning any type of

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First Amendment violation or

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any type of monitoring is

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expressly prohibited when it

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comes to to First Amendment

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rights to any type of

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discriminatory use, harassing

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or intimidating use. Also

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expressing put prohibited in

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policy parking enforcement,

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traffic enforcement, driver's

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license, inforcement in any

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type of personal use of the

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system are also prohibited. I

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know that there has been some

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some questions about how

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officers respond to pr alerts

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in general and to make sure

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that there's verification

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being performed on those

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alerts in policy. Officers are

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not allowed to conduct vehicle

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stops just based on an lpr

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alert alone. They must verify

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the validity of that. And

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that's typically done

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communication with dispatch,

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for example, to to clear a

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plea to make sure that's a

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valid earlier. Acts on vendors

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capable of respecting any data

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retention policy that that we

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wish I know to mention that

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that policy is going to be 21

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day retention policy. There is

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a an audit trail and mentioned

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couple times now on a monthly

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basis, the cyber bureau and

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dpd on the first of every

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month pulls the lpr usage logs

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and performs a number of

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different types of mechanisms

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on those laws, including

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keyword, searches and random

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audits to make sure that all

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of the usage looks to be above

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board. Then that date is also

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shared with some data analyst

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director Safety's Office for

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further review on a monthly

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basis in policy. Any officer

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that's under investigation, I

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will have their access to the

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system immediately. Revote and

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that will stay suspended until

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for the duration of the

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investigation. As far as as

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far as to sharing I just

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wanted to this isn't policy. I

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just wanted to outline a

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couple of of of our policies

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surrounding data sharing. We

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only share data from the

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system when there's an

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official law enforcement

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investigations of another

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agency approaches and desires

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to collaborate investigating a

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certain crime has to be an

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official investigation. That

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crime that's at the center of

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that investigation has to be a

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crime. Under Colorado state

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law. So if it's if it's a

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crime somewhere else. But

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there are specific protections

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and safeguards are in

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Colorado. In those

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circumstances, we do not share

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data. That's a policy and

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additional call out is we will

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not share data to a

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prosecution related to any

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type of reproductive care If

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that wasn't enough to tear. I

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want to add too much 200 times

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covered. Most of it.

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>> Although we did conduct a

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vendor assessment on axon, it

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was a 2 full assessment

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because our internal

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questionnaire that based and

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then we also are a provision

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access to the at SunTrust

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Center where we could access

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applicable security and

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policies and other documents

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associated to Exxon. So it

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approved from seclusion and

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technology services and

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privacy. They should also know

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our price. Your view include a

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review of the ai It standards.

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National Institute Standards

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and Technology. It also

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reviewed and approved for the

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architecture information.

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Security. Ada, compliance and

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records management. You know,

530
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when we're doing a vendor risk

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assessment, we're looking at

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compliance. But we're also

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looking at risk reduction and

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ensuring that we're getting

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the right vendor at the right

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type of technology for that

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business or the need city. So

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it's really important to call

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out within vendor risk

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assessment conducting the

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privacy review and the review

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the technology at offers a lot

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of operational technology.

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Modern technology capabilities

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that reduces our risk by the

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information is collecting

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being minimized and then also

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from organizational policies.

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You know, often my team will

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joke around data. Privacy

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policy is just a way for.

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Organization to tell us that

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we have no privacy because

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they're telling us all of the

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different ways the data is

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being used and shared. I would

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say that when we reviewed Axon

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and we looked at the various

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privacy practices and the

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organization as a whole. It

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allows us to have ownership

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commander, bronze and tin

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spoke about know, allows us to

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have control over data. So

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definitely worthwhile to call

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out when looking at the

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Obviously, there's always risk

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when we work with any

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technology vendor. But when we

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when we look at as a whole and

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we're trying to create a risk

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rating. Choose the right

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vendors. A lot of these

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different technology

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capabilities in the policies

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of organization really reduce

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the risk overall I will stop

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there and turned over to Tim.

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That's happy to take

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questions. Thank you so much

581
00:18:26,451 --> 00:18:27,285
for the presentation. We have

582
00:18:27,285 --> 00:18:27,920
a to that started. It started

583
00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,287
with councilmember parody

584
00:18:29,287 --> 00:18:30,656
accounts cash councilmember.

585
00:18:30,656 --> 00:18:32,891
>> Thank you. Thank you so

586
00:18:32,891 --> 00:18:35,127
much. And thank you for a

587
00:18:35,127 --> 00:18:37,527
time. So hopefully things

588
00:18:38,964 --> 00:18:39,664
About this, both from the city

589
00:18:39,664 --> 00:18:43,235
came in from Axon. So coming

590
00:18:43,235 --> 00:18:46,972
out of I want to sort of

591
00:18:46,972 --> 00:18:47,639
clearly identify what I we

592
00:18:47,639 --> 00:18:48,340
have learned from from the

593
00:18:48,340 --> 00:18:49,410
flock to Michael that I hear

594
00:18:49,410 --> 00:18:52,410
being addressed here and I'm

595
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,440
glad he's being addressed. One

596
00:18:55,146 --> 00:18:56,715
is the Denver will have its

597
00:18:56,715 --> 00:18:58,750
data tenant on servers that

598
00:18:58,750 --> 00:19:00,985
acts on rents from Microsoft

599
00:19:00,985 --> 00:19:01,954
Azure. And that's, of course,

600
00:19:01,954 --> 00:19:03,822
you know, the fact that that

601
00:19:03,822 --> 00:19:04,556
sort segregated from other

602
00:19:04,556 --> 00:19:08,756
cities data is a good thing. I

603
00:19:09,260 --> 00:19:10,963
did want to say and one point

604
00:19:10,963 --> 00:19:13,650
someone and it was so from the

605
00:19:13,650 --> 00:19:13,799
lobbying to not anyone from

606
00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:15,670
Exxon. And you could even MISS

607
00:19:15,670 --> 00:19:16,168
Spoke about this in a briefing

608
00:19:16,168 --> 00:19:17,269
and said that the data would

609
00:19:17,269 --> 00:19:18,937
be in Denver. So many of you

610
00:19:18,937 --> 00:19:19,605
were told that just because

611
00:19:19,605 --> 00:19:20,172
it's on the cloud, but it's

612
00:19:20,172 --> 00:19:22,172
segregated, which is

613
00:19:22,674 --> 00:19:23,875
improvement from and it won't

614
00:19:23,875 --> 00:19:24,610
be used to train. Algorithms

615
00:19:24,610 --> 00:19:26,311
will be sold and they will not

616
00:19:26,311 --> 00:19:28,714
respond to subpoenas on our

617
00:19:28,714 --> 00:19:29,581
behalf because unlike flocks

618
00:19:29,581 --> 00:19:30,182
are not apparently asking to

619
00:19:30,182 --> 00:19:32,182
maintain full permanent

620
00:19:33,785 --> 00:19:35,721
license to our data. And think

621
00:19:35,721 --> 00:19:36,555
we've been assured that we see

622
00:19:36,555 --> 00:19:37,221
this contract. It will have a

623
00:19:37,221 --> 00:19:39,257
provision around not adding

624
00:19:39,257 --> 00:19:40,292
features without consent.

625
00:19:40,292 --> 00:19:40,960
That's going to be really

626
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:41,693
important because what I've

627
00:19:41,693 --> 00:19:42,928
learned in briefings with apps

628
00:19:42,928 --> 00:19:43,695
on is that they are working

629
00:19:43,695 --> 00:19:45,397
more of the sharing features,

630
00:19:45,397 --> 00:19:47,797
like flock, have, although

631
00:19:49,201 --> 00:19:50,468
with more user control and

632
00:19:50,468 --> 00:19:52,137
they're working on really how

633
00:19:52,137 --> 00:19:54,537
they're different from flock

634
00:19:55,273 --> 00:19:57,142
is that was essentially health

635
00:19:57,142 --> 00:19:59,144
care company? Fox on, of

636
00:19:59,144 --> 00:20:00,344
course, is all various kinds

637
00:20:00,344 --> 00:20:01,279
of surveillance systems. They

638
00:20:01,279 --> 00:20:01,880
collect a lot of different

639
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,883
data. We have a ton of

640
00:20:04,883 --> 00:20:06,151
different contracts with them

641
00:20:06,151 --> 00:20:09,751
and they're sort of place in

642
00:20:09,821 --> 00:20:12,290
this market. Is 2 And so it's

643
00:20:12,290 --> 00:20:12,924
it's kind of it's a different

644
00:20:12,924 --> 00:20:13,592
concern than what I think

645
00:20:13,592 --> 00:20:16,592
that's we're focused on the

646
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,198
lately. With flock. And I I do

647
00:20:20,198 --> 00:20:21,466
still have questions about in

648
00:20:21,466 --> 00:20:22,201
other cities like Seattle and

649
00:20:22,201 --> 00:20:25,403
we've talked about this in the

650
00:20:25,403 --> 00:20:27,803
surveillance task force. It

651
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:28,907
would be a council to look at

652
00:20:28,907 --> 00:20:30,209
any new features that would

653
00:20:30,209 --> 00:20:32,177
have to lead to a new

654
00:20:32,177 --> 00:20:32,878
contract. So that's one thing

655
00:20:32,878 --> 00:20:33,578
I'm really concerned about is

656
00:20:33,578 --> 00:20:34,913
that there's just been a lot

657
00:20:34,913 --> 00:20:35,580
of very careful language from

658
00:20:35,580 --> 00:20:36,214
Exxon about well, today. We

659
00:20:36,214 --> 00:20:39,214
don't have this today. We

660
00:20:39,451 --> 00:20:40,184
don't have that. Also a

661
00:20:40,184 --> 00:20:41,186
suspect, their own pr for them

662
00:20:41,186 --> 00:20:44,786
is less developed than fox but

663
00:20:45,957 --> 00:20:47,592
for them do grown know your

664
00:20:47,592 --> 00:20:48,360
time. So first question, we

665
00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:51,797
need I really want to know

666
00:20:51,797 --> 00:20:52,497
going back to flock, what

667
00:20:52,497 --> 00:20:55,400
guarantees we will have that

668
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,467
those cameras will stop

669
00:20:56,467 --> 00:20:57,602
collecting images. And it's

670
00:20:57,602 --> 00:20:59,437
not enough that they not. This

671
00:20:59,437 --> 00:21:00,104
law says they're not taking

672
00:21:00,104 --> 00:21:01,873
images because other cities

673
00:21:01,873 --> 00:21:02,974
have experienced that. They

674
00:21:02,974 --> 00:21:04,609
just simply kept cameras on

675
00:21:04,609 --> 00:21:07,900
even after contracts were

676
00:21:07,179 --> 00:21:07,879
ended. We need a timeline for

677
00:21:07,879 --> 00:21:09,881
removal, potentially hoods on

678
00:21:09,881 --> 00:21:11,483
those cameras. The minute that

679
00:21:11,483 --> 00:21:12,183
contract ends. I don't think

680
00:21:12,183 --> 00:21:15,353
that contract is legal in the

681
00:21:15,353 --> 00:21:16,687
first place the Charter.

682
00:21:16,687 --> 00:21:18,657
Regardless what it ends, those

683
00:21:18,657 --> 00:21:19,591
things need to be off. And the

684
00:21:19,591 --> 00:21:21,460
ceo when he was in my office

685
00:21:21,460 --> 00:21:22,594
told me that they cannot be

686
00:21:22,594 --> 00:21:23,361
black box. And so essentially

687
00:21:23,361 --> 00:21:24,963
they can't be manually turned

688
00:21:24,963 --> 00:21:28,330
off. You can't stop them from

689
00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:28,733
transmitting. So I think

690
00:21:28,733 --> 00:21:30,135
probably a good is engine or

691
00:21:30,135 --> 00:21:30,769
removal is the only way to do

692
00:21:30,769 --> 00:21:31,369
that. So that's my first

693
00:21:31,369 --> 00:21:33,769
question is what's the

694
00:21:35,340 --> 00:21:36,875
timeline for the cancer that

695
00:21:36,875 --> 00:21:37,809
counselor and my team has been

696
00:21:37,809 --> 00:21:40,712
tracking that down with flock

697
00:21:40,712 --> 00:21:41,379
to actually diligently this

698
00:21:41,379 --> 00:21:42,113
weekend. This MAY be new. I

699
00:21:42,113 --> 00:21:43,882
don't new this feature is, but

700
00:21:43,882 --> 00:21:45,350
they do have a decommissioned

701
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:46,651
mode.

702
00:21:46,651 --> 00:21:48,153
>> And so fox is sure does

703
00:21:48,153 --> 00:21:48,886
that at the date of contract

704
00:21:48,886 --> 00:21:50,550
termination, every camera will

705
00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:52,858
be moved in to decommission

706
00:21:52,858 --> 00:21:53,525
mode and then we are seeking a

707
00:21:53,525 --> 00:21:54,826
certificate of destruction

708
00:21:54,826 --> 00:21:57,280
effective to of termination as

709
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,197
well. And then my team will be

710
00:21:59,197 --> 00:22:00,532
working flock in order to

711
00:22:00,532 --> 00:22:01,733
schedule the actual removal of

712
00:22:01,733 --> 00:22:04,733
the devices as soon as

713
00:22:04,736 --> 00:22:05,470
possible. Contract

714
00:22:05,470 --> 00:22:06,104
termination. Thank you very

715
00:22:06,104 --> 00:22:06,805
Concerned because that is

716
00:22:06,805 --> 00:22:09,106
progress since we last talked

717
00:22:09,106 --> 00:22:10,408
about a week ago.

718
00:22:10,408 --> 00:22:11,309
>> From the tax services point

719
00:22:11,309 --> 00:22:12,100
of view and how how can verify

720
00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:15,100
the decommission mode is a

721
00:22:16,381 --> 00:22:18,350
real thing. Where can we and

722
00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:19,384
screenshots sent his son to

723
00:22:19,384 --> 00:22:20,619
screenshots. So I can I can

724
00:22:20,619 --> 00:22:23,619
share that. On their devices

725
00:22:24,188 --> 00:22:24,856
themselves, they do this is

726
00:22:24,856 --> 00:22:25,390
the calm the center screen

727
00:22:25,390 --> 00:22:27,390
shots, pictures of

728
00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:28,960
>> Ok, thank you.

729
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,531
>> I will want to more about

730
00:22:32,531 --> 00:22:33,565
that, but that's great

731
00:22:33,565 --> 00:22:35,333
information. Next thing, the

732
00:22:35,333 --> 00:22:38,770
sides that we've say that we

733
00:22:38,770 --> 00:22:39,571
have that our policy is only

734
00:22:39,571 --> 00:22:43,771
to share in response to a law

735
00:22:44,141 --> 00:22:45,210
enforcement investigation.

736
00:22:45,210 --> 00:22:46,143
When oxen described the data

737
00:22:46,143 --> 00:22:46,812
sharing that they're

738
00:22:46,812 --> 00:22:47,479
developing, which is not in

739
00:22:47,479 --> 00:22:48,213
place yet. So it's a little

740
00:22:48,213 --> 00:22:51,316
hard for us to assess how it's

741
00:22:51,316 --> 00:22:54,185
gonna work, which does give me

742
00:22:54,185 --> 00:22:55,354
some pause again after fans

743
00:22:55,354 --> 00:22:57,220
will flock. They are saying

744
00:22:57,220 --> 00:22:58,323
that they're developing

745
00:22:58,323 --> 00:22:59,157
developing it to one-on-one

746
00:22:59,157 --> 00:23:00,725
where it would actually be

747
00:23:00,725 --> 00:23:01,426
that you get access to another

748
00:23:01,426 --> 00:23:04,196
jurisdiction as a user. Same

749
00:23:04,196 --> 00:23:04,930
is with flock, not

750
00:23:04,930 --> 00:23:05,563
case-by-case. So I think there

751
00:23:05,563 --> 00:23:08,563
MAY be a disconnect there

752
00:23:08,834 --> 00:23:09,801
about. What dpd says its

753
00:23:09,801 --> 00:23:11,436
policy would be about sharing

754
00:23:11,436 --> 00:23:12,337
versus how they are developing

755
00:23:12,337 --> 00:23:15,937
the technology. And I think we

756
00:23:16,174 --> 00:23:17,275
probably need to had that off

757
00:23:17,275 --> 00:23:18,310
before we enter into this

758
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:19,411
contractual relationship

759
00:23:19,411 --> 00:23:20,111
because that's just, you know,

760
00:23:20,111 --> 00:23:23,111
if they're building the tech

761
00:23:23,848 --> 00:23:24,882
to jurisdictional sharing did

762
00:23:24,882 --> 00:23:25,550
rather case-by-case, then

763
00:23:25,550 --> 00:23:27,919
we're sort of cruising for

764
00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:31,519
that to the conflict with our

765
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:32,491
policies. So that's that's I

766
00:23:32,491 --> 00:23:33,158
guess I'm curious if you have

767
00:23:33,158 --> 00:23:35,250
any talked about that with

768
00:23:35,250 --> 00:23:35,961
have thoughts about that.

769
00:23:35,961 --> 00:23:38,361
Given that they're developing

770
00:23:38,830 --> 00:23:39,898
that jurisdiction based

771
00:23:39,898 --> 00:23:40,532
sharing feature.

772
00:23:40,532 --> 00:23:41,233
>> can see that that the

773
00:23:41,233 --> 00:23:44,690
intent and I haven't reviewed

774
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:45,700
the final contract yet, and

775
00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:47,470
feel free. But yeah,

776
00:23:47,606 --> 00:23:49,741
absolutely. There's an opt out

777
00:23:49,741 --> 00:23:50,442
by default built into the into

778
00:23:50,442 --> 00:23:51,109
the contract. So any new type

779
00:23:51,109 --> 00:23:53,509
of sharing technology that

780
00:23:54,246 --> 00:23:54,980
they're bringing to the table,

781
00:23:54,980 --> 00:23:55,613
it blocking out. We would have

782
00:23:55,613 --> 00:23:58,130
to explicitly popped into

783
00:24:00,518 --> 00:24:02,821
that. And in the mind, a big

784
00:24:02,821 --> 00:24:03,555
question mark for me is who

785
00:24:03,555 --> 00:24:04,222
makes the decision to opt into

786
00:24:04,222 --> 00:24:07,222
new technology and how now

787
00:24:08,626 --> 00:24:09,327
within the city I think that's

788
00:24:09,327 --> 00:24:10,929
still the conversation that,

789
00:24:10,929 --> 00:24:11,896
you know, that is actively

790
00:24:11,896 --> 00:24:12,530
unfolding between Council

791
00:24:12,530 --> 00:24:14,530
surveillance task force,

792
00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:16,368
mayor's office cetera. So,

793
00:24:16,368 --> 00:24:17,102
right, okay. And I would be

794
00:24:17,102 --> 00:24:18,302
really hasn't done for us to

795
00:24:18,302 --> 00:24:19,337
enter into this contract

796
00:24:19,337 --> 00:24:21,139
without that being sort of

797
00:24:21,139 --> 00:24:21,906
because I think I mean, again,

798
00:24:21,906 --> 00:24:23,208
we messed up by not knowing

799
00:24:23,208 --> 00:24:26,808
the on national network and we

800
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:28,780
can do that So another

801
00:24:28,780 --> 00:24:31,780
question about is auditing. So

802
00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:33,384
as of now, our internal policy

803
00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:36,384
says that we will require

804
00:24:37,555 --> 00:24:40,555
officers to enter a case

805
00:24:40,959 --> 00:24:41,860
number a a parent. And what

806
00:24:41,860 --> 00:24:44,296
I've been told is that with

807
00:24:44,296 --> 00:24:44,996
tax on online with flock, the

808
00:24:44,996 --> 00:24:45,730
formatting will have to sort

809
00:24:45,730 --> 00:24:48,366
of be similar to a case number

810
00:24:48,366 --> 00:24:49,501
to be accepted. But it's not

811
00:24:49,501 --> 00:24:50,201
like it links to our records

812
00:24:50,201 --> 00:24:51,636
management system. So there's

813
00:24:51,636 --> 00:24:52,804
no way to be sure that it's a

814
00:24:52,804 --> 00:24:53,504
real case number rather than

815
00:24:53,504 --> 00:24:55,904
just letter letter. Whenever

816
00:24:56,975 --> 00:24:58,243
for like us and then when we

817
00:24:58,243 --> 00:25:01,446
asked when we talk about this

818
00:25:01,446 --> 00:25:03,347
before, I think the team told

819
00:25:03,347 --> 00:25:05,830
me that our auditing of the

820
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:05,783
flock logs was focused on key

821
00:25:05,783 --> 00:25:08,783
word searches and spot checks

822
00:25:10,689 --> 00:25:12,357
and sensitive terms I want to

823
00:25:12,357 --> 00:25:14,259
know if tbd will be checking

824
00:25:14,259 --> 00:25:17,228
in a more meaningful way to

825
00:25:17,228 --> 00:25:18,696
see that no one's putting

826
00:25:18,696 --> 00:25:21,696
think case In other words,

827
00:25:22,434 --> 00:25:23,969
doing more than spot chance it

828
00:25:23,969 --> 00:25:25,403
does not seem that the systems

829
00:25:25,403 --> 00:25:26,738
have been you so much that it

830
00:25:26,738 --> 00:25:27,839
would be impractical to review

831
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:29,707
all searches periodically. I

832
00:25:29,707 --> 00:25:30,742
think that would probably need

833
00:25:30,742 --> 00:25:33,511
to be ndp's and tell policy.

834
00:25:33,511 --> 00:25:34,179
So I'm curious what the intent

835
00:25:34,179 --> 00:25:34,846
is there because that seems

836
00:25:34,846 --> 00:25:37,846
like something we need to

837
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:40,850
enforced by actually looking

838
00:25:41,385 --> 00:25:42,870
at that search absolutely and

839
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:42,786
Councilmember United Capital

840
00:25:42,786 --> 00:25:45,223
yesterday. And I'm very open

841
00:25:45,223 --> 00:25:45,924
to any suggestions on how to

842
00:25:45,924 --> 00:25:48,660
increase, you know, the level

843
00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:49,361
of transparency you know, say

844
00:25:49,361 --> 00:25:51,830
MISTER And says so if there's

845
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:54,230
something reasonable that we

846
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,200
can do to increase the amount

847
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:57,735
of And I'm totally open to

848
00:25:57,735 --> 00:25:59,971
discussing that. I think we're

849
00:25:59,971 --> 00:26:00,905
trying to strike a balance,

850
00:26:00,905 --> 00:26:02,640
though. Obviously, you know,

851
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,409
we want to to do our due

852
00:26:04,409 --> 00:26:05,644
diligence, but we also want to

853
00:26:05,644 --> 00:26:08,279
make sure that we're engaging

854
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,679
too much administrative burden

855
00:26:11,816 --> 00:26:14,953
a month on a monthly basis.

856
00:26:14,953 --> 00:26:15,620
Happy to additional

857
00:26:15,620 --> 00:26:16,253
conversations with anybody

858
00:26:16,253 --> 00:26:17,155
who's interested. Yeah, I

859
00:26:17,155 --> 00:26:17,856
mean, the knowing the number

860
00:26:17,856 --> 00:26:18,490
of searches that have been

861
00:26:18,490 --> 00:26:19,357
performing Flock would be

862
00:26:19,357 --> 00:26:21,757
helpful to understand what's

863
00:26:23,695 --> 00:26:25,430
realistic there. So I don't

864
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:26,598
mean the question of whether

865
00:26:26,598 --> 00:26:27,732
dpd season need to rewrite its

866
00:26:27,732 --> 00:26:28,800
internal lpr policy to address

867
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,700
some of these things because I

868
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:32,737
think the way Axon works. What

869
00:26:32,737 --> 00:26:34,306
the policy said was always

870
00:26:34,306 --> 00:26:35,673
different from how flock

871
00:26:35,673 --> 00:26:38,673
actually worked. And we need

872
00:26:38,742 --> 00:26:39,911
with pauses to match how Axon

873
00:26:39,911 --> 00:26:41,780
actually works. And if so, I

874
00:26:41,780 --> 00:26:42,581
just want to fly that the

875
00:26:42,581 --> 00:26:43,281
Independent Monitor Austin

876
00:26:43,281 --> 00:26:44,549
last task force meeting. She

877
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:45,550
could be given time to review

878
00:26:45,550 --> 00:26:46,284
that policy. So I'm wondering

879
00:26:46,284 --> 00:26:49,884
if there's an intent to revise

880
00:26:50,355 --> 00:26:52,857
it all. Clarify question here.

881
00:26:52,857 --> 00:26:54,392
So what aspects in regards to

882
00:26:54,392 --> 00:26:55,126
specifically how acts on

883
00:26:55,126 --> 00:26:58,126
platform works to addressed in

884
00:26:58,229 --> 00:26:59,431
the current policy? Well, I

885
00:26:59,431 --> 00:27:03,310
think I should say, I think

886
00:27:03,134 --> 00:27:04,669
the policy, for example, isn't

887
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:05,436
specific enough about what

888
00:27:05,436 --> 00:27:08,873
we're based on the terms our

889
00:27:08,873 --> 00:27:09,607
input into the system. Lays

890
00:27:09,607 --> 00:27:10,341
out what the rules are, but it

891
00:27:10,341 --> 00:27:13,678
doesn't lay out kind of how we

892
00:27:13,678 --> 00:27:14,612
check for the rainfall. And

893
00:27:14,612 --> 00:27:15,546
then in addition, some of

894
00:27:15,546 --> 00:27:16,648
these sharing aspects, right

895
00:27:16,648 --> 00:27:18,516
probably need to be in the

896
00:27:18,516 --> 00:27:20,916
policy. Will share with

897
00:27:20,919 --> 00:27:22,353
another jurisdiction a way

898
00:27:22,353 --> 00:27:23,220
that not just with the

899
00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:25,620
technology does. I'm always

900
00:27:26,724 --> 00:27:27,424
happy to put, you know. We're

901
00:27:27,424 --> 00:27:28,927
always have to be flexible on

902
00:27:28,927 --> 00:27:31,610
the policy. I think the reason

903
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:31,930
why, for example, a keyword

904
00:27:31,930 --> 00:27:33,798
terms are not explicitly laid

905
00:27:33,798 --> 00:27:34,632
out in policies were trying to

906
00:27:34,632 --> 00:27:36,101
stays flexible in as a nimble

907
00:27:36,101 --> 00:27:38,702
as possible. So that MAY be an

908
00:27:38,702 --> 00:27:41,702
stop. There's a procedure, for

909
00:27:41,739 --> 00:27:42,741
example. But if there's a new

910
00:27:42,741 --> 00:27:43,975
key word that that is

911
00:27:43,975 --> 00:27:45,810
presented this week that we

912
00:27:45,810 --> 00:27:46,778
need to start auditing for,

913
00:27:46,778 --> 00:27:47,846
you know, to me that makes

914
00:27:47,846 --> 00:27:49,881
more sense to put it in

915
00:27:49,881 --> 00:27:51,716
procedure and then indicated

916
00:27:51,716 --> 00:27:52,383
policy that we are following

917
00:27:52,383 --> 00:27:55,383
these monthly types of pot.

918
00:27:55,854 --> 00:27:56,521
Audit cadences doesn't sense.

919
00:27:56,521 --> 00:27:57,255
>> And because policy isn't

920
00:27:57,255 --> 00:28:00,391
updated a weekly basis, we try

921
00:28:00,391 --> 00:28:01,240
to stay nimble with it. But I

922
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,240
can easily have my teams

923
00:28:04,429 --> 00:28:06,429
update. Written procedure

924
00:28:07,131 --> 00:28:08,660
known as quickly as often as

925
00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:09,100
needed.

926
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:10,201
>> yeah, and I hear all I hear

927
00:28:10,201 --> 00:28:13,338
the openness to do this. And I

928
00:28:13,338 --> 00:28:14,304
just continue to concerned

929
00:28:14,304 --> 00:28:17,904
that we've been through a lot

930
00:28:18,309 --> 00:28:19,444
on this task force and made

931
00:28:19,444 --> 00:28:20,111
province. But we're not all

932
00:28:20,111 --> 00:28:20,812
the way through all of the

933
00:28:20,812 --> 00:28:23,815
things that need to be done.

934
00:28:23,815 --> 00:28:24,449
And so I worry about putting a

935
00:28:24,449 --> 00:28:25,490
contract through without

936
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:27,185
having dpd policies and

937
00:28:27,185 --> 00:28:28,953
procedures in place without

938
00:28:28,953 --> 00:28:29,654
having it's an ordinance in

939
00:28:29,654 --> 00:28:30,821
place and those other things.

940
00:28:30,821 --> 00:28:31,723
And that's not for lack of

941
00:28:31,723 --> 00:28:31,999
everybody working very h#

942
00:28:31,999 --> 00:28:32,277
#

943
00:28:32,277 --> 00:28:32,553
#

944
00:28:32,553 --> 00:28:33,324
o#

945
00:28:33,324 --> 00:28:36,227
this is because you certainly

946
00:28:36,227 --> 00:28:38,162
haven't a lot of others have

947
00:28:38,162 --> 00:28:39,797
been. Another question is that

948
00:28:39,797 --> 00:28:40,464
I my understanding is that

949
00:28:40,464 --> 00:28:42,864
originally we were talking

950
00:28:43,368 --> 00:28:44,802
about 45 cameras on posts and

951
00:28:44,802 --> 00:28:46,437
then finds cameras that had

952
00:28:46,437 --> 00:28:48,540
greater capacity. And it's

953
00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:50,675
something that changed to 50

954
00:28:50,675 --> 00:28:51,376
cameras on post. Is that right

955
00:28:51,376 --> 00:28:53,278
is and is that still what the

956
00:28:53,278 --> 00:28:55,280
cap of the contractor fox

957
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,482
okay. Those cameras I

958
00:28:57,482 --> 00:28:59,250
understand can do some live

959
00:28:59,250 --> 00:29:00,651
streaming. Can you describe

960
00:29:00,651 --> 00:29:01,385
church? So they are battery

961
00:29:01,385 --> 00:29:04,385
power cameras the Dodgers are.

962
00:29:04,622 --> 00:29:05,256
Then we charged by solar.

963
00:29:05,256 --> 00:29:06,230
>> So the live streaming

964
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:07,625
capabilities in these cameras

965
00:29:07,625 --> 00:29:08,659
are very limited. Great so

966
00:29:08,659 --> 00:29:11,590
they can't live stream. 24 7

967
00:29:11,763 --> 00:29:13,131
has to be a very overt action

968
00:29:13,131 --> 00:29:13,999
on the part the user live

969
00:29:13,999 --> 00:29:16,999
stream from that camera. The

970
00:29:17,202 --> 00:29:17,869
footage is also not retained

971
00:29:17,869 --> 00:29:18,536
great. So inappropriate use

972
00:29:18,536 --> 00:29:21,536
would be, for example, the

973
00:29:21,773 --> 00:29:23,841
real time crime Center

974
00:29:23,841 --> 00:29:24,576
responding to an unfolding

975
00:29:24,576 --> 00:29:25,309
incident in progress and needs

976
00:29:25,309 --> 00:29:27,309
additional intelligence about,

977
00:29:27,879 --> 00:29:29,814
you know, that specific area.

978
00:29:29,814 --> 00:29:31,416
But like I said, they're

979
00:29:31,416 --> 00:29:32,450
battery devices. They're not

980
00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:36,500
designed to to operate in type

981
00:29:37,322 --> 00:29:39,390
live streaming mode. 24 7. So

982
00:29:39,390 --> 00:29:40,910
as soon as that operator

983
00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:40,792
stopped a live stream that it

984
00:29:40,792 --> 00:29:41,492
would return to its. That's

985
00:29:41,492 --> 00:29:43,695
the motive. Just capturing

986
00:29:43,695 --> 00:29:46,950
license plate images that's

987
00:29:48,333 --> 00:29:50,168
different So this is something

988
00:29:50,168 --> 00:29:51,836
I I've asked a few questions

989
00:29:51,836 --> 00:29:52,537
just trying to understand but

990
00:29:52,537 --> 00:29:54,606
it's fairly new is a concept

991
00:29:54,606 --> 00:29:57,809
to me of how I would even

992
00:29:57,809 --> 00:29:58,509
work. And does concern me that

993
00:29:58,509 --> 00:29:59,210
the idea someone in the real

994
00:29:59,210 --> 00:30:01,412
time crime center could open

995
00:30:01,412 --> 00:30:01,980
up a live stream and watch.

996
00:30:01,980 --> 00:30:03,140
>> Everything that's

997
00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:05,182
unfolding. That's new and

998
00:30:05,182 --> 00:30:05,983
different. And it's not

999
00:30:05,983 --> 00:30:06,718
something we've it's not about

1000
00:30:06,718 --> 00:30:08,486
a lot in the task force from a

1001
00:30:08,486 --> 00:30:11,486
policy point of either every

1002
00:30:11,889 --> 00:30:12,623
you MAY be aware that the real

1003
00:30:12,623 --> 00:30:15,560
time Crime Center does monitor

1004
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,560
a number of cameras throughout

1005
00:30:18,662 --> 00:30:20,198
the city in order you provide

1006
00:30:20,198 --> 00:30:22,598
better response and resource

1007
00:30:23,868 --> 00:30:25,868
allocation to unfolding

1008
00:30:26,137 --> 00:30:28,720
criminal incidents. To because

1009
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,641
of this conversation, I didn't

1010
00:30:30,641 --> 00:30:31,242
know that And so it's sort of

1011
00:30:31,242 --> 00:30:31,876
a fun. I mean, I'm not

1012
00:30:31,876 --> 00:30:34,111
concerned about all those

1013
00:30:34,111 --> 00:30:35,346
cameras to, unfortunately, I

1014
00:30:35,346 --> 00:30:37,215
was not aware that that was

1015
00:30:37,215 --> 00:30:38,116
something that law enforcement

1016
00:30:38,116 --> 00:30:41,716
have the capacity to do. And

1017
00:30:42,253 --> 00:30:44,321
that is a pretty intense form

1018
00:30:44,321 --> 00:30:46,658
You know, COUNCILMAN I wasn't

1019
00:30:46,658 --> 00:30:48,226
limited to question limit, but

1020
00:30:48,226 --> 00:30:50,761
I'm gonna see at the record

1021
00:30:50,761 --> 00:30:51,461
reflect that. I asked I'm very

1022
00:30:51,461 --> 00:30:52,130
happy isn't an item. One more

1023
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:52,563
question and then we'll get

1024
00:30:52,563 --> 00:30:54,563
you back you.

1025
00:30:55,465 --> 00:30:58,465
>> Okay. That sounds good. So

1026
00:30:58,536 --> 00:30:59,503
>> last question, then can

1027
00:30:59,503 --> 00:31:00,237
tell us all of the different

1028
00:31:00,237 --> 00:31:03,837
acts on products that the city

1029
00:31:03,941 --> 00:31:05,420
uses. The I think it's such

1030
00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:06,911
comprehensive list yesterday.

1031
00:31:06,911 --> 00:31:07,879
Don't want really MISS

1032
00:31:07,879 --> 00:31:09,879
Anything, generally speaking,

1033
00:31:10,915 --> 00:31:11,649
I'm not trying to trip you

1034
00:31:11,649 --> 00:31:13,150
body-worn cameras evidence dot

1035
00:31:13,150 --> 00:31:15,550
com which are digital.

1036
00:31:16,821 --> 00:31:17,555
>> Evidence storage repository

1037
00:31:17,555 --> 00:31:21,125
few sis which is the real time

1038
00:31:21,125 --> 00:31:24,125
Crime Center on platform. And

1039
00:31:27,980 --> 00:31:27,832
then lpr. Can think of what

1040
00:31:27,832 --> 00:31:28,866
also MAY be missing in a rerun

1041
00:31:28,866 --> 00:31:30,866
cameras, which probably

1042
00:31:31,902 --> 00:31:34,500
interview room Deo drones.

1043
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:35,106
Scotty was not part of the

1044
00:31:35,106 --> 00:31:36,174
acts on coffee. I think just

1045
00:31:36,174 --> 00:31:37,107
acquired them. And I don't I

1046
00:31:37,107 --> 00:31:37,775
think they just told us that

1047
00:31:37,775 --> 00:31:40,175
they told office everything

1048
00:31:40,178 --> 00:31:41,946
yesterday. So I think they are

1049
00:31:41,946 --> 00:31:42,580
now part of get an honest to

1050
00:31:42,580 --> 00:31:44,415
is not a gotcha. I'm just

1051
00:31:44,415 --> 00:31:47,415
giving the full list. So

1052
00:31:47,518 --> 00:31:49,786
Taylor's evidence a comp uses,

1053
00:31:49,786 --> 00:31:50,455
which I don't think we've ever

1054
00:31:50,455 --> 00:31:54,550
been briefed on our have a

1055
00:31:54,459 --> 00:31:55,593
great understanding But in the

1056
00:31:55,593 --> 00:31:57,695
body warns and then the sky,

1057
00:31:57,695 --> 00:32:01,295
And that's where I just think

1058
00:32:01,499 --> 00:32:02,233
that all of us need to kind of

1059
00:32:02,233 --> 00:32:04,268
spend our time because this is

1060
00:32:04,268 --> 00:32:05,570
really different from fox and

1061
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:07,505
the way that all these

1062
00:32:07,505 --> 00:32:08,172
different, you know, images

1063
00:32:08,172 --> 00:32:10,274
and types of data it's just

1064
00:32:10,274 --> 00:32:12,310
going be learning her Thank

1065
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:14,746
you, MR. Thank you. Counselor

1066
00:32:14,746 --> 00:32:15,179
Perry counts cash then

1067
00:32:15,179 --> 00:32:17,179
councilmember

1068
00:32:20,318 --> 00:32:21,180
>> Thank Committee chair.

1069
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:23,180
Presentation troops. That's

1070
00:32:24,856 --> 00:32:25,590
one piece of information You

1071
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:29,190
have big question from come in

1072
00:32:29,427 --> 00:32:30,461
and Houston. It would be

1073
00:32:30,461 --> 00:32:33,998
forthcoming is as far as the

1074
00:32:33,998 --> 00:32:36,998
flock cameras go. Which crimes

1075
00:32:41,472 --> 00:32:42,106
how many of Which crimes do

1076
00:32:42,106 --> 00:32:44,506
the flock participate in

1077
00:32:45,209 --> 00:32:47,609
solving? Someone will looking

1078
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,848
forward that. And sure

1079
00:32:50,848 --> 00:32:52,848
COUNCILMAN's questions on.

1080
00:32:57,989 --> 00:32:58,723
We'll live streaming and where

1081
00:32:58,723 --> 00:33:01,723
talk comes from tyranny. Makes

1082
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,829
a little bit sharing only in

1083
00:33:04,829 --> 00:33:05,530
response. 2 official

1084
00:33:05,530 --> 00:33:07,930
investigation. Could tell me

1085
00:33:09,166 --> 00:33:11,301
more about What you that

1086
00:33:11,301 --> 00:33:13,301
investigation with 2? How

1087
00:33:15,106 --> 00:33:18,106
would that work? And then

1088
00:33:19,444 --> 00:33:20,378
sharing with another agency

1089
00:33:20,378 --> 00:33:23,815
who then nation are with where

1090
00:33:23,815 --> 00:33:25,749
the guardrails there.

1091
00:33:25,749 --> 00:33:27,749
>> great question. Questions

1092
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,954
council member as far as the

1093
00:33:29,954 --> 00:33:30,788
data goes, we have done some

1094
00:33:30,788 --> 00:33:31,856
annual review. Some of our I

1095
00:33:31,856 --> 00:33:33,925
didn't Teams have done some

1096
00:33:33,925 --> 00:33:35,226
annual review of of the the

1097
00:33:35,226 --> 00:33:38,226
flock data from the duration

1098
00:33:38,963 --> 00:33:40,264
of the program up to about the

1099
00:33:40,264 --> 00:33:43,835
11th of last month. And can we

1100
00:33:43,835 --> 00:33:46,871
do have some of that data.

1101
00:33:46,871 --> 00:33:48,390
There's been over that that

1102
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:50,439
platform has helped contribute

1103
00:33:50,575 --> 00:33:51,275
to over 500 arrests over 400

1104
00:33:51,275 --> 00:33:53,675
recovered motor vehicles and

1105
00:33:54,144 --> 00:33:55,379
over 60 firearms that have

1106
00:33:55,379 --> 00:33:57,515
been recovered. So obviously

1107
00:33:57,515 --> 00:34:00,515
quite a successful program in

1108
00:34:03,654 --> 00:34:06,157
my view, as far as And as far

1109
00:34:06,157 --> 00:34:08,959
as the sharing goes as related

1110
00:34:08,959 --> 00:34:10,260
to an official criminal

1111
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:11,395
investigation. So what I what

1112
00:34:11,395 --> 00:34:12,290
I told many people is that,

1113
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:14,429
you know, criminals often

1114
00:34:15,133 --> 00:34:16,100
don't really respect borders.

1115
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:17,902
So so it's important that we

1116
00:34:17,902 --> 00:34:18,603
collaborate with our

1117
00:34:18,603 --> 00:34:19,303
neighboring jurisdictions and

1118
00:34:19,303 --> 00:34:21,472
in solving crimes, specially

1119
00:34:21,472 --> 00:34:24,472
patterned crimes and what not

1120
00:34:25,643 --> 00:34:26,210
so oftentimes we approach

1121
00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:26,878
agencies to thaw for

1122
00:34:26,878 --> 00:34:28,878
assistance in investigating

1123
00:34:29,313 --> 00:34:30,382
crimes. And sometimes we are

1124
00:34:30,382 --> 00:34:31,480
approached and there's all

1125
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,480
sorts of different types of

1126
00:34:34,850 --> 00:34:35,353
crimes. You know, for example,

1127
00:34:35,353 --> 00:34:37,488
narcotics trafficking or human

1128
00:34:37,488 --> 00:34:38,189
trafficking or robberies. You

1129
00:34:38,189 --> 00:34:38,889
know, the Magic Metropolitan

1130
00:34:38,889 --> 00:34:41,526
Area, auto theft, I think has

1131
00:34:41,526 --> 00:34:42,193
has been, you know, a major

1132
00:34:42,193 --> 00:34:45,562
one for our state over the

1133
00:34:45,562 --> 00:34:46,364
last few years, right? So when

1134
00:34:46,364 --> 00:34:49,364
we are approached by an

1135
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:50,301
external agency for help

1136
00:34:50,301 --> 00:34:51,869
investigating an incident,

1137
00:34:51,869 --> 00:34:52,470
typically that's referred

1138
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:54,171
either a supervisor or

1139
00:34:54,171 --> 00:34:55,973
investigator in an

1140
00:34:55,973 --> 00:34:56,908
investigative team and obtain

1141
00:34:56,908 --> 00:34:57,575
additional information about

1142
00:34:57,575 --> 00:34:59,760
what type of crime is being

1143
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,760
investigated. But that's

1144
00:35:01,112 --> 00:35:04,112
really what the necessity What

1145
00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:06,500
is the crime that's being

1146
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:06,651
investigated I as the

1147
00:35:06,651 --> 00:35:08,651
presentation, you know,

1148
00:35:08,786 --> 00:35:10,221
elaborate a little bit. It has

1149
00:35:10,221 --> 00:35:11,188
to be something that's illegal

1150
00:35:11,188 --> 00:35:12,857
in the state of Colorado. In

1151
00:35:12,857 --> 00:35:15,857
order for us collaborate and

1152
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,960
share information with that

1153
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:19,397
agency. Show. Go back initial

1154
00:35:19,397 --> 00:35:21,397
comment.

1155
00:35:24,350 --> 00:35:25,436
>> aware of the overall number

1156
00:35:25,436 --> 00:35:26,103
cases have been involved. But

1157
00:35:26,103 --> 00:35:27,805
it's really relevant. What

1158
00:35:27,805 --> 00:35:29,706
were the actual crimes that

1159
00:35:29,706 --> 00:35:32,706
would that were solved? You

1160
00:35:33,911 --> 00:35:36,911
know how meaningful? In the

1161
00:35:39,830 --> 00:35:43,283
House we? More we open up the

1162
00:35:43,854 --> 00:35:46,924
door to sharing the more it

1163
00:35:46,924 --> 00:35:48,593
becomes flock. Other words,

1164
00:35:48,593 --> 00:35:52,193
they might not be an actual

1165
00:35:54,632 --> 00:35:55,232
nationwide system like, door,

1166
00:35:55,232 --> 00:35:57,632
you open increases the

1167
00:36:00,171 --> 00:36:03,771
opportunity for the. I I'm not

1168
00:36:04,308 --> 00:36:06,708
comfortable I need more

1169
00:36:09,747 --> 00:36:11,315
comfort around guardrails. To

1170
00:36:11,315 --> 00:36:14,315
that sharing couple other I

1171
00:36:19,256 --> 00:36:22,256
would hope. Contract or any

1172
00:36:22,593 --> 00:36:24,261
contract in ballpark. It moves

1173
00:36:24,261 --> 00:36:27,261
forward that we would have

1174
00:36:31,335 --> 00:36:33,735
regular reports. To committee

1175
00:36:33,771 --> 00:36:37,371
How it was unfolding. The last

1176
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,551
thing I wanted to say fact.

1177
00:36:47,551 --> 00:36:49,553
Flock screams says d-conn

1178
00:36:49,553 --> 00:36:52,553
gives me no confidence in

1179
00:36:53,290 --> 00:36:56,290
time. GOD is not being

1180
00:37:01,132 --> 00:37:04,132
reporting sure I very least.

1181
00:37:06,637 --> 00:37:08,637
Recognizing cameras, whatever.

1182
00:37:08,773 --> 00:37:10,908
Would should be what are taken

1183
00:37:10,908 --> 00:37:15,108
The more I talk to who really

1184
00:37:17,915 --> 00:37:18,816
understand world. We're down

1185
00:37:18,816 --> 00:37:21,816
is is being collected from

1186
00:37:22,586 --> 00:37:24,586
multiple sources constantly.

1187
00:37:28,726 --> 00:37:30,394
Like what economy? So I just

1188
00:37:30,394 --> 00:37:32,620
want for that. I thank Thank

1189
00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:34,331
cast count Arkansas tears and

1190
00:37:34,331 --> 00:37:37,331
comes from Thank you. MISTER

1191
00:37:37,401 --> 00:37:38,335
>> Thank you for you know,

1192
00:37:38,335 --> 00:37:40,271
providing us the briefings

1193
00:37:40,271 --> 00:37:41,438
ahead of time for the

1194
00:37:41,438 --> 00:37:43,700
conversations that we continue

1195
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:44,275
to have. The surveillance task

1196
00:37:44,275 --> 00:37:46,900
also been having conversations

1197
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:47,978
out community and asked to

1198
00:37:47,978 --> 00:37:50,347
attend different arno's to

1199
00:37:50,347 --> 00:37:50,881
talk about specifically plot,

1200
00:37:50,881 --> 00:37:51,549
but also about just

1201
00:37:51,549 --> 00:37:53,117
surveillance tech and where

1202
00:37:53,117 --> 00:37:55,119
things are with the task force

1203
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:55,919
and a lot of the questions

1204
00:37:55,919 --> 00:37:56,620
I've received tons of

1205
00:37:56,620 --> 00:37:59,620
questions from some of these

1206
00:38:00,424 --> 00:38:01,759
artisan. They've submitted. Up

1207
00:38:01,759 --> 00:38:02,426
to like 15 questions, some of

1208
00:38:02,426 --> 00:38:03,694
them. And so there is some

1209
00:38:03,694 --> 00:38:07,294
fall of only to have provide

1210
00:38:07,431 --> 00:38:08,799
that I won't asked all the 15

1211
00:38:08,799 --> 00:38:09,466
questions here, all of the

1212
00:38:09,466 --> 00:38:10,167
various questions that you

1213
00:38:10,167 --> 00:38:11,669
receive But I do want to get

1214
00:38:11,669 --> 00:38:13,604
at some of these things to

1215
00:38:13,604 --> 00:38:14,572
make sure that the public is

1216
00:38:14,572 --> 00:38:17,942
is aware that we're all on the

1217
00:38:17,942 --> 00:38:20,511
same page so can you tell us

1218
00:38:20,511 --> 00:38:21,450
about the privately owned? I

1219
00:38:21,450 --> 00:38:23,445
know that you can't

1220
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:25,982
necessarily. You're I want to

1221
00:38:25,982 --> 00:38:27,284
make sure that everyone is

1222
00:38:27,284 --> 00:38:29,684
aware that privately owned

1223
00:38:31,322 --> 00:38:31,889
flock cameras will remain

1224
00:38:31,889 --> 00:38:33,220
because they are not

1225
00:38:33,220 --> 00:38:33,724
contracted by the city. Right?

1226
00:38:33,724 --> 00:38:36,927
And so one of the questions I

1227
00:38:36,927 --> 00:38:38,696
know I asked was will dpd have

1228
00:38:38,696 --> 00:38:41,696
access to those cameras and

1229
00:38:42,332 --> 00:38:44,732
data for investigations. I

1230
00:38:44,935 --> 00:38:45,702
think ultimately the answer

1231
00:38:45,702 --> 00:38:48,702
questions is yes. What it

1232
00:38:48,906 --> 00:38:50,775
comes down

1233
00:38:50,775 --> 00:38:52,509
>> Investigating any type of

1234
00:38:52,509 --> 00:38:53,210
crime occurred, right? And if

1235
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:53,911
there is a private entity to

1236
00:38:53,911 --> 00:38:56,911
capture some sort of evidence

1237
00:38:57,515 --> 00:38:59,483
of that crime it's our duty to

1238
00:38:59,483 --> 00:39:00,451
to obtain that evidence to

1239
00:39:00,451 --> 00:39:02,986
make it part of our

1240
00:39:02,986 --> 00:39:05,322
investigation and provided to

1241
00:39:05,322 --> 00:39:06,156
prosecution. So the question

1242
00:39:06,156 --> 00:39:07,624
marks that my team is still

1243
00:39:07,624 --> 00:39:09,593
actively trying to chase down

1244
00:39:09,593 --> 00:39:12,662
is is what that that access

1245
00:39:12,662 --> 00:39:13,597
looks like. But I would

1246
00:39:13,597 --> 00:39:14,398
related to any depth, other

1247
00:39:14,398 --> 00:39:16,367
type of business that that has

1248
00:39:16,367 --> 00:39:18,767
a private surveillance camera

1249
00:39:18,769 --> 00:39:19,470
network. Great. Typically when

1250
00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:21,739
you respond to that location

1251
00:39:21,739 --> 00:39:24,410
and investigate a crime, if

1252
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:25,509
they have of that crime, we

1253
00:39:25,509 --> 00:39:28,790
ask them to provide it to us

1254
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:28,946
of the people. Want thank you

1255
00:39:28,946 --> 00:39:30,114
for that.

1256
00:39:30,114 --> 00:39:31,281
>> With that said, I'm one of

1257
00:39:31,281 --> 00:39:32,216
the things I didn't get to ask

1258
00:39:32,216 --> 00:39:35,352
him because I forgot about it

1259
00:39:35,352 --> 00:39:38,289
was drones that we were

1260
00:39:38,289 --> 00:39:41,192
utilizing from plot that we

1261
00:39:41,192 --> 00:39:42,393
had access to in a contract

1262
00:39:42,393 --> 00:39:43,560
that we actually were paying

1263
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,160
for. It was they were being

1264
00:39:47,230 --> 00:39:48,332
provided to us free of cost.

1265
00:39:48,332 --> 00:39:48,933
Are exact contract still

1266
00:39:48,933 --> 00:39:51,933
exist? Are we going to

1267
00:39:51,968 --> 00:39:52,670
continue that contract?

1268
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:53,771
>> contract still exists, but

1269
00:39:53,771 --> 00:39:54,772
that program has not gotten

1270
00:39:54,772 --> 00:39:58,972
off the ground were So we have

1271
00:39:59,243 --> 00:40:01,245
not flown in flat rate. Okay.

1272
00:40:01,245 --> 00:40:02,479
>> And then how having me come

1273
00:40:02,479 --> 00:40:03,480
due to the 21 day data

1274
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,516
retention. Where did that

1275
00:40:05,516 --> 00:40:06,117
number come from? Because I

1276
00:40:06,117 --> 00:40:06,750
know there's been a of

1277
00:40:06,750 --> 00:40:08,750
conversation around data

1278
00:40:11,621 --> 00:40:14,621
retention. How can we utilize

1279
00:40:14,725 --> 00:40:16,930
to determine data retention

1280
00:40:16,930 --> 00:40:16,794
and what we know and why

1281
00:40:16,794 --> 00:40:19,296
because every day was kind of

1282
00:40:19,296 --> 00:40:21,198
the standard with flock. Now

1283
00:40:21,198 --> 00:40:22,366
we have a 21 day, which is

1284
00:40:22,366 --> 00:40:23,660
less and I see it as a way

1285
00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:26,660
like, okay, we're moving the

1286
00:40:26,236 --> 00:40:26,937
needle a little bit. But is

1287
00:40:26,937 --> 00:40:29,206
there a rhyme or reason as to

1288
00:40:29,206 --> 00:40:30,274
why is 21

1289
00:40:30,274 --> 00:40:32,141
>> I'm happy to take this

1290
00:40:32,141 --> 00:40:33,343
Thanks for time. The question,

1291
00:40:33,343 --> 00:40:34,378
COUNCILMAN, as you said, I

1292
00:40:34,378 --> 00:40:36,778
think most jurisdictions have

1293
00:40:37,181 --> 00:40:38,315
a 30 day retention policy.

1294
00:40:38,315 --> 00:40:39,349
There's some that 14 days.

1295
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:40,684
There's a couple of examples

1296
00:40:40,684 --> 00:40:41,385
where it's less than that 3 or

1297
00:40:41,385 --> 00:40:44,655
4 days. But by and large, the

1298
00:40:44,655 --> 00:40:45,789
standard is 30 days. I think

1299
00:40:45,789 --> 00:40:46,823
in discussions that we had and

1300
00:40:46,823 --> 00:40:49,760
the task that we've heard

1301
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:50,927
community members as well, it

1302
00:40:50,927 --> 00:40:51,728
wasn't something that we

1303
00:40:51,728 --> 00:40:54,728
wanted to be proactive about.

1304
00:40:55,333 --> 00:40:58,933
And it's a treat testing out.

1305
00:40:58,936 --> 00:41:01,936
Is there big loss evidence

1306
00:41:02,906 --> 00:41:05,306
between days? 22 to going

1307
00:41:06,142 --> 00:41:06,844
below something like 14. Know

1308
00:41:06,844 --> 00:41:07,543
the Denver Police Department

1309
00:41:07,543 --> 00:41:11,143
to look some of the homicide

1310
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,551
cases where license role in

1311
00:41:14,551 --> 00:41:18,151
2025. Look to when in the kind

1312
00:41:18,522 --> 00:41:19,657
timeline of the case that

1313
00:41:19,657 --> 00:41:22,570
evidence became relevant. I

1314
00:41:22,326 --> 00:41:25,261
mean, it was pretty spread you

1315
00:41:25,261 --> 00:41:27,261
know, immediately within

1316
00:41:27,364 --> 00:41:30,301
minutes up to and including

1317
00:41:30,301 --> 00:41:31,802
ending 2020 or 30 days with

1318
00:41:31,802 --> 00:41:32,536
the lion share of the evidence

1319
00:41:32,536 --> 00:41:36,136
found that it was between like

1320
00:41:36,206 --> 00:41:37,774
3 in 20 days. And so I think

1321
00:41:37,774 --> 00:41:39,900
it was kind of clustered in

1322
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:40,811
that period. We want to still

1323
00:41:40,811 --> 00:41:42,646
make sure that we were being

1324
00:41:42,646 --> 00:41:44,140
responsive in reducing it by

1325
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:48,214
some but not by going too this

1326
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:53,490
point. Okay. I

1327
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:54,424
>> vast a couple of times for

1328
00:41:54,424 --> 00:41:55,359
just like the data on that. I

1329
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:58,359
think so. My colleagues have

1330
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,131
also asked for wanting to just

1331
00:42:01,131 --> 00:42:02,332
better understand everything

1332
00:42:02,332 --> 00:42:03,566
that you just said. Don't know

1333
00:42:03,566 --> 00:42:06,103
that her a level of that

1334
00:42:06,103 --> 00:42:09,103
detail before this meeting and

1335
00:42:09,573 --> 00:42:12,476
I would still love to see it.

1336
00:42:12,476 --> 00:42:13,844
Eyes to see like how that been

1337
00:42:13,844 --> 00:42:17,414
caused by the other piece that

1338
00:42:17,414 --> 00:42:19,830
I have is on has released

1339
00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:21,452
data. So when the evidence dot

1340
00:42:21,452 --> 00:42:23,852
com, readings it's happening

1341
00:42:25,289 --> 00:42:28,240
right of Has there ever been

1342
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,240
any leaks from evidence dot

1343
00:42:31,495 --> 00:42:33,697
com we're aware Not to my

1344
00:42:33,697 --> 00:42:34,231
knowledge, okay has so our

1345
00:42:34,231 --> 00:42:35,933
data has never been

1346
00:42:35,933 --> 00:42:39,533
compromised in any way in the

1347
00:42:40,371 --> 00:42:41,171
past it's okay. Then the last

1348
00:42:41,171 --> 00:42:43,674
couple questions that I have

1349
00:42:43,674 --> 00:42:44,308
is around access to the who

1350
00:42:44,308 --> 00:42:47,308
will have access to those

1351
00:42:47,378 --> 00:42:49,378
audit. The platform,

1352
00:42:50,647 --> 00:42:50,982
administrators in command

1353
00:42:50,982 --> 00:42:52,982
staff.

1354
00:42:54,652 --> 00:42:55,385
>> And myself, obviously

1355
00:42:55,385 --> 00:42:56,200
access. We also provide that

1356
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,200
data to data analyst and

1357
00:42:59,456 --> 00:43:00,190
director safety's office.

1358
00:43:00,190 --> 00:43:02,590
There are sensitivities around

1359
00:43:02,859 --> 00:43:03,527
that data because typically a

1360
00:43:03,527 --> 00:43:06,527
can contain Pei and receive

1361
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:10,167
just enough. It's It does

1362
00:43:10,167 --> 00:43:12,167
personally identifiable

1363
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:13,570
information and just this

1364
00:43:13,570 --> 00:43:14,237
information.

1365
00:43:14,237 --> 00:43:16,637
>> When it all continuing.

1366
00:43:17,574 --> 00:43:18,509
Yeah, I because personal

1367
00:43:18,509 --> 00:43:19,176
identifying information

1368
00:43:19,176 --> 00:43:19,876
because license plates have

1369
00:43:19,876 --> 00:43:22,876
been identified by the state

1370
00:43:23,414 --> 00:43:24,515
by state law. Those are

1371
00:43:24,515 --> 00:43:25,482
identified as person

1372
00:43:25,482 --> 00:43:26,550
identifying from just like

1373
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:27,183
when we treated with with due

1374
00:43:27,183 --> 00:43:29,583
regard because of the

1375
00:43:31,355 --> 00:43:34,355
sensitivity of of the rent.

1376
00:43:34,357 --> 00:43:35,659
City Council or the public be

1377
00:43:35,659 --> 00:43:38,428
able to have any access at any

1378
00:43:38,428 --> 00:43:41,298
form of level of the results

1379
00:43:41,298 --> 00:43:41,899
of the audience we have

1380
00:43:41,899 --> 00:43:43,534
provided in response to

1381
00:43:43,534 --> 00:43:44,635
requests redacted data sets

1382
00:43:44,635 --> 00:43:46,369
that show various usage sign I

1383
00:43:46,369 --> 00:43:47,700
don't have any objections to

1384
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:47,671
that. But just understanding

1385
00:43:47,671 --> 00:43:48,405
that we have we have an

1386
00:43:48,405 --> 00:43:50,805
obligation to redact sensitive

1387
00:43:52,276 --> 00:43:55,446
data from okay that's all I

1388
00:43:55,446 --> 00:43:56,113
have for Thank you, Thank you.

1389
00:43:56,113 --> 00:43:58,513
Cause Gonzales from thing's

1390
00:43:58,715 --> 00:44:00,715
for sure.

1391
00:44:02,186 --> 00:44:03,720
>> Thank you for intentionally

1392
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:06,120
going about designers contract

1393
00:44:06,924 --> 00:44:07,857
to address most of them a

1394
00:44:07,857 --> 00:44:08,592
year. Concerns about the way

1395
00:44:08,592 --> 00:44:11,592
the system has been configured

1396
00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:14,930
before. Closed system

1397
00:44:17,134 --> 00:44:18,680
accessible only by We're going

1398
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,680
to take only which initiated

1399
00:44:25,108 --> 00:44:28,708
by no, they are training. No

1400
00:44:31,448 --> 00:44:32,750
National Network. Like that

1401
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:35,150
terrifying the question that

1402
00:44:38,122 --> 00:44:38,755
council just ask other private

1403
00:44:38,755 --> 00:44:39,489
flock cameras its to its

1404
00:44:39,489 --> 00:44:41,391
systems for the icrc. A lot of

1405
00:44:41,391 --> 00:44:42,920
them in my district after

1406
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:42,793
shopping centers, one in the

1407
00:44:42,793 --> 00:44:44,194
shopping center where council

1408
00:44:44,194 --> 00:44:47,194
offices. There's a couple of

1409
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:51,768
them actually. We will have no

1410
00:44:51,768 --> 00:44:52,469
self initiated. That's matter

1411
00:44:52,469 --> 00:44:53,136
is we won't be able log into

1412
00:44:53,136 --> 00:44:55,439
the flock system. See those

1413
00:44:55,439 --> 00:44:58,439
prior cameras. When relied on

1414
00:45:00,770 --> 00:45:02,770
moves. Shopping center

1415
00:45:03,313 --> 00:45:05,849
management that the access to

1416
00:45:05,849 --> 00:45:07,351
provide photo ultimately it is

1417
00:45:07,351 --> 00:45:09,751
the private entity that

1418
00:45:11,388 --> 00:45:12,523
controls that have our ability

1419
00:45:12,523 --> 00:45:13,757
to what that sharing mechanism

1420
00:45:13,757 --> 00:45:15,359
looks like. My team is still

1421
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:15,993
trying to figure that out for

1422
00:45:15,993 --> 00:45:18,950
one stuck on our current

1423
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:19,429
contract lapses. I don't know.

1424
00:45:19,429 --> 00:45:20,164
>> Have specific answers in

1425
00:45:20,164 --> 00:45:20,863
that regard. But I'm happy to

1426
00:45:20,863 --> 00:45:24,463
share with looks like this we

1427
00:45:26,169 --> 00:45:28,338
have information we have

1428
00:45:28,338 --> 00:45:29,600
tasers and body cameras

1429
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,975
provided by accident in the

1430
00:45:31,975 --> 00:45:32,676
most recent contract. One of

1431
00:45:32,676 --> 00:45:35,760
the significant upgrades was

1432
00:45:35,946 --> 00:45:37,946
when an officer.

1433
00:45:38,549 --> 00:45:39,550
>> removes the Taser from that

1434
00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:41,550
holder automatically activates

1435
00:45:44,188 --> 00:45:46,723
the body cam. So doesn't have

1436
00:45:46,723 --> 00:45:48,725
to do 2 things body cams not

1437
00:45:48,725 --> 00:45:51,125
already activated for one

1438
00:45:51,695 --> 00:45:54,695
reason or another. Is there

1439
00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:59,360
any interactivity? Between the

1440
00:45:59,360 --> 00:45:59,702
flock between the Axon cameras

1441
00:45:59,702 --> 00:46:03,302
and then the other acts on

1442
00:46:05,576 --> 00:46:07,477
device. Solis stand alone.

1443
00:46:07,477 --> 00:46:08,744
Internal. It doesn't go

1444
00:46:08,744 --> 00:46:09,379
anywhere else. Among other

1445
00:46:09,379 --> 00:46:11,615
devices, halo cameras or

1446
00:46:11,615 --> 00:46:13,615
anything like

1447
00:46:13,784 --> 00:46:14,584
>> Right now it is

1448
00:46:14,584 --> 00:46:15,819
stand-alone. There is so

1449
00:46:15,819 --> 00:46:17,654
there's obviously an evidence

1450
00:46:17,654 --> 00:46:18,989
dot com integration. That's

1451
00:46:18,989 --> 00:46:21,825
where the gators essential for

1452
00:46:21,825 --> 00:46:22,459
was gone. And there's a few

1453
00:46:22,459 --> 00:46:23,193
says integration to that

1454
00:46:23,193 --> 00:46:24,995
allows the camera locations to

1455
00:46:24,995 --> 00:46:26,129
be viewed the few says map.

1456
00:46:26,129 --> 00:46:26,730
And then in those cases in the

1457
00:46:26,730 --> 00:46:29,130
real time crime centers

1458
00:46:29,567 --> 00:46:31,967
responding to an active

1459
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:32,803
incident, they could act to be

1460
00:46:32,803 --> 00:46:35,272
live streamed uses strike. And

1461
00:46:35,272 --> 00:46:35,939
Bernard Live streaming we

1462
00:46:35,939 --> 00:46:39,539
asked the same thing in the

1463
00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:41,143
task force meeting last week a

1464
00:46:41,143 --> 00:46:41,812
chair when the real time Crime

1465
00:46:41,812 --> 00:46:43,413
Center says we need to see

1466
00:46:43,413 --> 00:46:44,114
what's happening there right

1467
00:46:44,114 --> 00:46:44,715
now.

1468
00:46:44,715 --> 00:46:47,251
>> We don't have a halo

1469
00:46:47,251 --> 00:46:49,553
camera, but there's a match on

1470
00:46:49,553 --> 00:46:51,388
camera the are stream from

1471
00:46:51,388 --> 00:46:52,890
that camera. That cameras no

1472
00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:54,258
longer taking photographs of

1473
00:46:54,258 --> 00:46:55,192
vehicles passing by. It is

1474
00:46:55,192 --> 00:46:58,161
being used on a large tree

1475
00:46:58,161 --> 00:46:58,528
moment taking photos. Is

1476
00:46:58,528 --> 00:46:59,363
correct?

1477
00:46:59,363 --> 00:47:01,365
>> I don't know that those 2

1478
00:47:01,365 --> 00:47:02,232
modes are mutually exclusive.

1479
00:47:02,232 --> 00:47:05,832
I My team is still trying

1480
00:47:06,690 --> 00:47:07,303
to figure that But happy to

1481
00:47:07,303 --> 00:47:09,703
provide that information says

1482
00:47:09,973 --> 00:47:13,243
we to know that and we do have

1483
00:47:13,243 --> 00:47:15,979
someone from acts online. I

1484
00:47:15,979 --> 00:47:17,580
have all and much in show. We

1485
00:47:17,580 --> 00:47:18,448
for that person answer that

1486
00:47:18,448 --> 00:47:21,448
question. Joe has promoted. So

1487
00:47:24,454 --> 00:47:25,188
to preserve you don't mind.

1488
00:47:25,188 --> 00:47:27,557
>> I'm only human while you're

1489
00:47:27,557 --> 00:47:29,493
doing Want to can council

1490
00:47:29,493 --> 00:47:30,160
PRESIDENT Pro Tempore Mayor

1491
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,395
Council PRESIDENT Putin. If

1492
00:47:31,395 --> 00:47:32,610
you want to join the queue,

1493
00:47:32,610 --> 00:47:34,610
please communicate through

1494
00:47:34,598 --> 00:47:36,598
instant message.

1495
00:47:38,735 --> 00:47:42,935
We produce a lot of snow and

1496
00:47:43,172 --> 00:47:45,750
generally it's been promoted.

1497
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:46,430
>> Part going here I introduce

1498
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:48,812
yourself your title and that

1499
00:47:48,812 --> 00:47:49,913
customer Flynn has a question

1500
00:47:49,913 --> 00:47:51,481
for

1501
00:47:51,481 --> 00:47:54,484
>> It's my name is Joe. I am a

1502
00:47:54,484 --> 00:47:55,118
vice PRESIDENT Of sales tax

1503
00:47:55,118 --> 00:47:56,620
on. If you wouldn't mind

1504
00:47:56,620 --> 00:47:58,620
repeating a question.

1505
00:48:01,358 --> 00:48:02,590
>> Sure, when Cameron

1506
00:48:02,590 --> 00:48:04,459
activated for live streaming

1507
00:48:05,361 --> 00:48:05,995
for one reason or another.

1508
00:48:05,995 --> 00:48:06,696
Does it continue to take

1509
00:48:06,696 --> 00:48:07,363
photographs as well as large

1510
00:48:07,363 --> 00:48:09,763
streaming through that same

1511
00:48:10,834 --> 00:48:11,568
device?

1512
00:48:11,568 --> 00:48:13,470
>> Yes, it does. So the device

1513
00:48:13,470 --> 00:48:15,672
itself actually has 2 centers

1514
00:48:15,672 --> 00:48:16,473
on it. What is dedicated to

1515
00:48:16,473 --> 00:48:17,106
the alpr portion. The other

1516
00:48:17,106 --> 00:48:20,106
one is dedicated to live

1517
00:48:20,877 --> 00:48:22,877
stream.

1518
00:48:25,415 --> 00:48:26,116
>> Ok, thank doesn't provide.

1519
00:48:26,116 --> 00:48:29,116
Words through the live stream

1520
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:30,754
of any vehicle or does that

1521
00:48:30,754 --> 00:48:33,154
function resigned? Only with

1522
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,559
the photographs.

1523
00:48:38,695 --> 00:48:40,664
>> Well, all in terms all the

1524
00:48:40,664 --> 00:48:41,365
learning back into Arkansas

1525
00:48:41,365 --> 00:48:42,320
system to protect fails. The

1526
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,320
are that the license plate

1527
00:48:47,671 --> 00:48:49,673
this. The the alerts come from

1528
00:48:49,673 --> 00:48:52,730
the photographs, not the

1529
00:48:53,542 --> 00:48:54,210
video.

1530
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:54,911
>> Thank a couple questions

1531
00:48:54,911 --> 00:48:58,511
that have come to me answers

1532
00:48:59,316 --> 00:48:59,982
for these devices are do not

1533
00:48:59,982 --> 00:49:02,382
use facial recognition. Is

1534
00:49:04,354 --> 00:49:07,354
that correct? Okay. Was asked

1535
00:49:07,423 --> 00:49:08,125
that question. Constituents.

1536
00:49:08,125 --> 00:49:11,125
Putting pictures on the backs

1537
00:49:11,461 --> 00:49:12,562
cars. I don't workspaces with

1538
00:49:12,562 --> 00:49:15,562
being involved America. I have

1539
00:49:21,538 --> 00:49:22,233
to ask. Alert for him learn.

1540
00:49:22,233 --> 00:49:22,906
Versus a search of the

1541
00:49:22,906 --> 00:49:25,306
databases are 2 different uses

1542
00:49:28,144 --> 00:49:31,144
of the system. Wear them.

1543
00:49:32,249 --> 00:49:33,884
Camper trailers. There is

1544
00:49:33,884 --> 00:49:34,551
child abduction and number of

1545
00:49:34,551 --> 00:49:36,951
vehicle that's involved in

1546
00:49:37,421 --> 00:49:40,724
passes by a camera alert is

1547
00:49:40,724 --> 00:49:41,391
sent its verified by some

1548
00:49:41,391 --> 00:49:43,791
other method before vehicle

1549
00:49:45,962 --> 00:49:48,362
stops authorized. Does that

1550
00:49:48,966 --> 00:49:49,599
automatically generate case

1551
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,599
number with your does it

1552
00:49:55,338 --> 00:49:56,730
simply a cad number? The

1553
00:49:56,730 --> 00:49:56,807
officer investigator responded

1554
00:49:56,807 --> 00:49:57,607
to that incident would have to

1555
00:49:57,607 --> 00:49:58,308
generate a cad number that

1556
00:49:58,308 --> 00:49:59,900
eventually become the report

1557
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:01,900
number for that.

1558
00:50:03,113 --> 00:50:04,214
>> that's automatic. So the

1559
00:50:04,214 --> 00:50:06,315
hot list so that the platform

1560
00:50:06,315 --> 00:50:07,500
is capable of maintaining a

1561
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:07,718
hot list of vehicles that, you

1562
00:50:07,718 --> 00:50:10,320
know, for example, a stolen

1563
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,920
motor vehicle or it's just the

1564
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:15,910
example to you straight. But

1565
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:17,294
when a littler has received an

1566
00:50:17,294 --> 00:50:19,262
officer to take action on that

1567
00:50:19,262 --> 00:50:21,131
and create a system they would

1568
00:50:21,131 --> 00:50:23,330
there have to create a cad

1569
00:50:23,330 --> 00:50:25,335
number and put in record

1570
00:50:25,335 --> 00:50:26,102
number officer generate is the

1571
00:50:26,102 --> 00:50:27,337
system automatically generate

1572
00:50:27,337 --> 00:50:29,337
doesn't automatically generate

1573
00:50:29,539 --> 00:50:30,407
some of use. More immediate

1574
00:50:30,407 --> 00:50:31,740
example that a child abduction

1575
00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:33,474
because obviously there be

1576
00:50:34,244 --> 00:50:37,244
earlier report already I hit

1577
00:50:38,148 --> 00:50:42,948
and run and you got a call. It

1578
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,890
was a white Ford Bronco with

1579
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:47,190
but what I want for front it

1580
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:49,192
had a partial plate number,

1581
00:50:49,192 --> 00:50:51,940
some signage. And hard to

1582
00:50:51,940 --> 00:50:51,828
watch camera hits on that. And

1583
00:50:51,828 --> 00:50:53,290
that's an alert. So that would

1584
00:50:53,290 --> 00:50:53,897
be that would just generate a

1585
00:50:53,897 --> 00:50:55,897
cad number.

1586
00:50:56,133 --> 00:50:57,400
>> As soon as there's no case

1587
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,268
number, as soon as that's

1588
00:50:58,268 --> 00:51:00,670
reported to Denver, 9-1-1, can

1589
00:51:00,670 --> 00:51:02,670
generated right then.

1590
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:04,740
>> All of the investigative

1591
00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:07,140
work and data collection

1592
00:51:07,210 --> 00:51:08,780
evidence collection can

1593
00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:10,478
centralize around cold water

1594
00:51:10,947 --> 00:51:14,551
to pull its ok? Can you just

1595
00:51:14,551 --> 00:51:15,485
describe what to catch them?

1596
00:51:15,485 --> 00:51:17,387
It's a computer aided dispatch

1597
00:51:17,387 --> 00:51:18,540
and it's just it's an

1598
00:51:18,540 --> 00:51:19,856
electronic system that that

1599
00:51:19,856 --> 00:51:20,457
Denver, 9, one uses track

1600
00:51:20,457 --> 00:51:22,826
incidents and to deploy

1601
00:51:22,826 --> 00:51:24,940
resources to those incidents.

1602
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:24,928
And whenever there's an

1603
00:51:24,928 --> 00:51:26,290
incident that's received in

1604
00:51:26,290 --> 00:51:29,290
the system that generates that

1605
00:51:30,534 --> 00:51:31,268
unique number that then

1606
00:51:31,268 --> 00:51:32,168
essentially precipitate all of

1607
00:51:32,168 --> 00:51:35,168
that, all the data collection

1608
00:51:36,473 --> 00:51:38,508
and responses. 4 for so that

1609
00:51:38,508 --> 00:51:40,908
that creates portable trail.

1610
00:51:41,378 --> 00:51:44,378
With full searches that are

1611
00:51:45,615 --> 00:51:47,484
connected to that one

1612
00:51:47,484 --> 00:51:48,752
incident. Yes, an officer gets

1613
00:51:48,752 --> 00:51:49,486
a lead a month same number 12

1614
00:51:49,486 --> 00:51:52,821
20 days later, they be able to

1615
00:51:52,821 --> 00:51:54,557
search system.

1616
00:51:54,557 --> 00:51:56,260
>> are your final question?

1617
00:51:56,260 --> 00:51:58,895
Because we're sliding one more

1618
00:51:58,895 --> 00:51:59,563
and thank you asking happens.

1619
00:51:59,563 --> 00:52:01,963
Separate case numbers while

1620
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,632
playing out for him do monthly

1621
00:52:05,701 --> 00:52:06,436
audits under this contract.

1622
00:52:06,436 --> 00:52:08,872
Yes, sir, will it be available

1623
00:52:08,872 --> 00:52:10,640
to You mentioned that you

1624
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,507
would have access your data

1625
00:52:11,507 --> 00:52:13,743
analyst where City Council be

1626
00:52:13,743 --> 00:52:16,743
able to request seeing just

1627
00:52:17,647 --> 00:52:18,381
want to logs. What I want to

1628
00:52:18,381 --> 00:52:20,917
see license plate numbers. I

1629
00:52:20,917 --> 00:52:23,886
don't any need to look at But

1630
00:52:23,886 --> 00:52:25,550
the crimes, the cabs, senator.

1631
00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:27,857
>> They do have to be rejected

1632
00:52:27,857 --> 00:52:29,960
because of the sensitive

1633
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:30,659
nature of the certainty that

1634
00:52:30,659 --> 00:52:32,796
know personally fine-tune the

1635
00:52:32,796 --> 00:52:34,898
nation. I don't want to

1636
00:52:34,898 --> 00:52:35,732
compromise. And then typically

1637
00:52:35,732 --> 00:52:38,602
that's why we that's one of

1638
00:52:38,602 --> 00:52:39,235
the reasons why provide that

1639
00:52:39,235 --> 00:52:39,869
data is sent the director

1640
00:52:39,869 --> 00:52:41,805
safety's office, the data

1641
00:52:41,805 --> 00:52:42,872
analyst there. So although I

1642
00:52:42,872 --> 00:52:44,740
have no issues with it, I

1643
00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:44,740
would need to to discuss with

1644
00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:48,100
the team. I don't know what

1645
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:52,210
kind of a lift that is for

1646
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:54,484
them to do that on suspect,

1647
00:52:54,484 --> 00:52:57,484
there will be interest because

1648
00:52:57,620 --> 00:52:58,188
going be theirs. And

1649
00:52:58,188 --> 00:52:58,855
councilmember Taurus.

1650
00:52:58,855 --> 00:53:01,157
>> you chair, thank you for

1651
00:53:01,157 --> 00:53:02,391
coming forward with this.

1652
00:53:02,391 --> 00:53:05,391
Despite that, we'll need for

1653
00:53:06,429 --> 00:53:08,664
council. But I really

1654
00:53:08,664 --> 00:53:09,265
appreciate attempt to have a

1655
00:53:09,265 --> 00:53:10,000
better transparency and

1656
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,000
relationship when it comes to

1657
00:53:14,971 --> 00:53:16,807
this as far as their attention

1658
00:53:16,807 --> 00:53:17,507
period going back to council

1659
00:53:17,507 --> 00:53:20,507
Putin and his question around

1660
00:53:21,511 --> 00:53:22,780
the 21 days and data behind

1661
00:53:22,780 --> 00:53:25,780
that I still and not

1662
00:53:25,816 --> 00:53:26,716
understanding. How we got to

1663
00:53:26,716 --> 00:53:28,218
21 days and what is the

1664
00:53:28,218 --> 00:53:30,618
difference between a vehicle

1665
00:53:31,254 --> 00:53:31,988
that has actually been flagged

1666
00:53:31,988 --> 00:53:34,988
and just anyone that's driving

1667
00:53:35,358 --> 00:53:37,358
around the city.

1668
00:53:37,961 --> 00:53:38,594
>> So happy work dpd team to

1669
00:53:38,594 --> 00:53:41,594
provide a little bit more

1670
00:53:42,532 --> 00:53:44,633
context on. We arrived at the

1671
00:53:44,633 --> 00:53:47,603
21 day. Number. We looked at a

1672
00:53:47,603 --> 00:53:50,603
pretty small sample size cases

1673
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:52,676
in 2025 and then look when in

1674
00:53:52,676 --> 00:53:53,376
the process, license plate

1675
00:53:53,376 --> 00:53:55,776
reader system became involved

1676
00:53:56,245 --> 00:53:58,214
are providing relevant and

1677
00:53:58,214 --> 00:54:00,316
we're to balance not

1678
00:54:00,316 --> 00:54:00,983
losing a bunch of cases where

1679
00:54:00,983 --> 00:54:02,983
provided relative relevant

1680
00:54:04,721 --> 00:54:05,655
evidence. We'll also be

1681
00:54:05,655 --> 00:54:06,221
responsive to the concerns

1682
00:54:06,221 --> 00:54:07,791
that we've heard from

1683
00:54:07,791 --> 00:54:09,159
councilmembers community

1684
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:12,610
around. The longer you hold

1685
00:54:12,610 --> 00:54:13,163
that the longer it's possible

1686
00:54:13,163 --> 00:54:13,830
that someone gains access to

1687
00:54:13,830 --> 00:54:14,431
the system and use it. So

1688
00:54:14,431 --> 00:54:17,431
those are the 2 kind of

1689
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:19,402
bouncing factors that we're

1690
00:54:19,402 --> 00:54:22,402
trying to strikes here in 21

1691
00:54:22,572 --> 00:54:24,374
days felt least first attempt

1692
00:54:24,374 --> 00:54:25,175
to strike to strike. And but

1693
00:54:25,175 --> 00:54:25,909
think it's an ongoing

1694
00:54:25,909 --> 00:54:27,911
conversation. Happened at dove

1695
00:54:27,911 --> 00:54:28,912
into a little bit more detail

1696
00:54:28,912 --> 00:54:30,912
there.

1697
00:54:32,115 --> 00:54:32,782
>> And how about when we are

1698
00:54:32,782 --> 00:54:33,416
searching for a particular

1699
00:54:33,416 --> 00:54:34,170
vehicle? How long are we

1700
00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:37,170
holding on to that data

1701
00:54:38,454 --> 00:54:39,622
investigations open? Is it

1702
00:54:39,622 --> 00:54:41,622
past that?

1703
00:54:41,623 --> 00:54:42,292
>> that already obtained

1704
00:54:42,292 --> 00:54:43,250
evidence for specific case,

1705
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:45,729
typically what would happen is

1706
00:54:45,729 --> 00:54:46,296
we will take those images and

1707
00:54:46,296 --> 00:54:46,996
we would attack them

1708
00:54:46,996 --> 00:54:47,697
specifically. So the system's

1709
00:54:47,697 --> 00:54:49,866
a little bit different. Just

1710
00:54:49,866 --> 00:54:50,967
40 resides in dot com. So

1711
00:54:50,967 --> 00:54:51,801
socially would have to

1712
00:54:51,801 --> 00:54:52,402
preserve it for that case

1713
00:54:52,402 --> 00:54:54,802
because then it becomes

1714
00:54:55,472 --> 00:54:56,139
evidence for that case that

1715
00:54:56,139 --> 00:54:56,773
evidence was be retained as

1716
00:54:56,773 --> 00:54:59,773
long as necessary for the

1717
00:55:01,911 --> 00:55:03,313
disposition of case. Outside

1718
00:55:03,313 --> 00:55:04,130
of specific specific evidence

1719
00:55:04,130 --> 00:55:06,483
collected for a case that 20

1720
00:55:06,483 --> 00:55:08,883
one-day retention period. But

1721
00:55:09,850 --> 00:55:09,365
on a medic, the purge and he

1722
00:55:09,365 --> 00:55:10,753
did

1723
00:55:10,753 --> 00:55:13,753
>> And that something we will

1724
00:55:13,890 --> 00:55:15,580
see specified in the contract

1725
00:55:15,580 --> 00:55:17,580
with Axon?

1726
00:55:17,860 --> 00:55:19,596
>> The 21 day or the All of

1727
00:55:19,596 --> 00:55:22,464
Yeah. So the purging will

1728
00:55:22,464 --> 00:55:24,601
absolutely part of the

1729
00:55:24,601 --> 00:55:26,502
contract there will discussion

1730
00:55:26,502 --> 00:55:27,203
of the retention policy. I

1731
00:55:27,203 --> 00:55:27,904
don't know if it'll it's a 21

1732
00:55:27,904 --> 00:55:31,307
days in the contract, but it

1733
00:55:31,307 --> 00:55:33,176
will make clear. But it says

1734
00:55:33,176 --> 00:55:34,210
the city who are the ones who

1735
00:55:34,210 --> 00:55:35,780
set whatever that number is.

1736
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:35,944
And so it's within our

1737
00:55:35,944 --> 00:55:38,344
discretion to that 21 days

1738
00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:40,183
higher or lower.

1739
00:55:40,183 --> 00:55:41,684
>> I guess my concern there is

1740
00:55:41,684 --> 00:55:42,352
that we can change that any

1741
00:55:42,352 --> 00:55:45,352
time without council and we

1742
00:55:45,388 --> 00:55:48,158
want him be necessarily need

1743
00:55:48,158 --> 00:55:51,758
to be informed. And so I'm

1744
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:53,896
just curious what that process

1745
00:55:53,896 --> 00:55:55,264
also curious about that. And

1746
00:55:55,264 --> 00:55:56,933
who is going to be approving

1747
00:55:56,933 --> 00:55:59,933
that invitation. And will that

1748
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:00,837
be?

1749
00:56:00,837 --> 00:56:03,720
>> There's no intention right

1750
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,909
now to move forward with any

1751
00:56:05,909 --> 00:56:06,743
of those directly to sharing

1752
00:56:06,743 --> 00:56:07,510
relationships. I know you

1753
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:08,770
know, I mentioned earlier,

1754
00:56:08,770 --> 00:56:09,245
there's some of these

1755
00:56:09,245 --> 00:56:11,245
conversations are still

1756
00:56:12,115 --> 00:56:13,984
evolving. And so I think, you

1757
00:56:13,984 --> 00:56:15,118
know, that conversation have

1758
00:56:15,118 --> 00:56:17,787
to be had with council with

1759
00:56:17,787 --> 00:56:18,487
mayor's office and dpd

1760
00:56:18,487 --> 00:56:20,887
collectively to forward. That

1761
00:56:22,258 --> 00:56:22,992
were something that we wanted

1762
00:56:22,992 --> 00:56:25,270
to do just Just to reiterate

1763
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:28,310
on that at this point, it will

1764
00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:30,200
be only Denver police a couple

1765
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,000
of other person news. Another

1766
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,400
safety personnel access to.

1767
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:35,205
This the city of Denver,

1768
00:56:35,205 --> 00:56:35,872
>> And then what is the

1769
00:56:35,872 --> 00:56:38,872
hickory and accuracy of the

1770
00:56:39,409 --> 00:56:40,476
systems?

1771
00:56:40,476 --> 00:56:42,612
>> I have a specific number

1772
00:56:42,612 --> 00:56:44,581
the axe on representative on

1773
00:56:44,581 --> 00:56:45,248
the call can speak to that You

1774
00:56:45,248 --> 00:56:48,618
know, do you buy step back

1775
00:56:48,618 --> 00:56:50,618
for?

1776
00:56:51,654 --> 00:56:52,856
>> also in terms the accuracy

1777
00:56:52,856 --> 00:56:55,358
of the system. All of that

1778
00:56:55,358 --> 00:56:56,240
depends on real world weather

1779
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:58,127
conditions. But what we've

1780
00:56:58,127 --> 00:56:59,290
seen in kind of all weather

1781
00:56:59,290 --> 00:57:02,290
conditions is were upwards of

1782
00:57:02,732 --> 00:57:03,666
about 98% accuracy in terms of

1783
00:57:03,666 --> 00:57:05,335
the capture 8 and then

1784
00:57:05,335 --> 00:57:07,303
accuracy of that capture,

1785
00:57:07,303 --> 00:57:08,710
meaning they're 2 metrics that

1786
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:10,106
you look at when a car goes by

1787
00:57:10,106 --> 00:57:11,273
how many times do capture car.

1788
00:57:11,273 --> 00:57:13,476
And then when you do capture

1789
00:57:13,476 --> 00:57:14,543
it, the accuracy of that read,

1790
00:57:14,543 --> 00:57:18,143
were both and that kind of

1791
00:57:21,551 --> 00:57:22,252
area.

1792
00:57:22,252 --> 00:57:22,885
>> the with the foxes staff,

1793
00:57:22,885 --> 00:57:23,620
you can also search for a

1794
00:57:23,620 --> 00:57:27,220
vehicle with a scratch. On the

1795
00:57:27,256 --> 00:57:29,425
phone for and other details

1796
00:57:29,425 --> 00:57:30,226
using ai. Will the system be

1797
00:57:30,226 --> 00:57:30,826
doing that as well? Or is it

1798
00:57:30,826 --> 00:57:32,826
strictly license plate

1799
00:57:35,198 --> 00:57:36,499
information?

1800
00:57:36,499 --> 00:57:38,434
>> That system our system does

1801
00:57:38,434 --> 00:57:39,135
have the ability to search for

1802
00:57:39,135 --> 00:57:41,535
things to characteristics of

1803
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:43,339
the vehicle.

1804
00:57:43,339 --> 00:57:45,941
>> And will he having that is

1805
00:57:45,941 --> 00:57:49,541
part of our system with the

1806
00:57:49,912 --> 00:57:52,248
city of acts have is my last

1807
00:57:52,248 --> 00:57:53,490
question. Provides just public

1808
00:57:53,490 --> 00:57:54,951
transparency portal. What does

1809
00:57:54,951 --> 00:57:57,530
that mean? Where does that

1810
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:58,620
look like? And how will we

1811
00:57:58,620 --> 00:57:59,289
provide transparency to the

1812
00:57:59,289 --> 00:58:01,289
public without jeopardizing

1813
00:58:03,590 --> 00:58:05,459
sensitive information? Was for

1814
00:58:10,633 --> 00:58:11,267
you. As a w.

1815
00:58:11,267 --> 00:58:13,603
>> If absolutely sure the

1816
00:58:13,603 --> 00:58:16,300
trial transparency portal that

1817
00:58:17,607 --> 00:58:19,776
we have allows agencies

1818
00:58:19,776 --> 00:58:21,744
publish how they're using any

1819
00:58:21,744 --> 00:58:22,879
of axons technology to the

1820
00:58:22,879 --> 00:58:23,946
public. It is a tool that we

1821
00:58:23,946 --> 00:58:24,579
provide through the few says

1822
00:58:24,579 --> 00:58:27,579
platform and so allows it

1823
00:58:27,850 --> 00:58:28,517
allows you to say what are the

1824
00:58:28,517 --> 00:58:29,252
technologies that you have,

1825
00:58:29,252 --> 00:58:29,919
any sharing agreements that

1826
00:58:29,919 --> 00:58:31,687
you have with other police

1827
00:58:31,687 --> 00:58:34,687
agencies or entities and then

1828
00:58:34,691 --> 00:58:37,691
also an ability for community

1829
00:58:37,860 --> 00:58:40,860
members to there, cameras or

1830
00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:43,463
register any cameras too.

1831
00:58:43,566 --> 00:58:44,467
Existing kind of use its

1832
00:58:44,467 --> 00:58:45,100
network, meaning called a

1833
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:46,336
private cameras that you

1834
00:58:46,336 --> 00:58:48,271
previously talked about on the

1835
00:58:48,271 --> 00:58:48,938
fox Network. You can also do

1836
00:58:48,938 --> 00:58:51,338
similar things issues that

1837
00:58:53,643 --> 00:58:54,310
work as a private individual.

1838
00:58:54,310 --> 00:58:55,211
>> Thank. Thank Thank you.

1839
00:58:55,211 --> 00:58:55,778
Committee chair. Thank you.

1840
00:58:55,778 --> 00:58:56,446
Council Roby, there's

1841
00:58:56,446 --> 00:58:58,446
Councilmember Torres. Thank

1842
00:58:59,148 --> 00:59:00,983
you. MISTER Chair I want to go

1843
00:59:00,983 --> 00:59:03,383
back to COUNCILMAN Parodies

1844
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:04,153
question about the ops manual

1845
00:59:04,153 --> 00:59:05,220
because there are several

1846
00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:06,155
references to flock in the

1847
00:59:06,155 --> 00:59:09,155
Alps manual. So assuming you

1848
00:59:10,460 --> 00:59:13,960
have to change that 2. We

1849
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,496
references and replace with.

1850
00:59:16,933 --> 00:59:17,600
The name. This system meant

1851
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,600
your potential? Absolutely.

1852
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:23,173
Yes. And the policy itself I I

1853
00:59:23,173 --> 00:59:23,773
review routinely. I think they

1854
00:59:23,773 --> 00:59:24,474
biweekly with the city

1855
00:59:24,474 --> 00:59:26,900
attorney's office cannot far

1856
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:29,609
from the truth. But is pretty

1857
00:59:30,246 --> 00:59:32,115
robust generalizing lpr

1858
00:59:32,115 --> 00:59:33,316
systems. You know, just

1859
00:59:33,316 --> 00:59:35,485
generally speaking. So yes, we

1860
00:59:35,485 --> 00:59:38,721
do intend to go through and do

1861
00:59:38,721 --> 00:59:39,555
some slight amendments because

1862
00:59:39,555 --> 00:59:41,555
explicitly it doesn't

1863
00:59:42,125 --> 00:59:44,525
reference live streaming and

1864
00:59:45,328 --> 00:59:47,196
any regulations around that

1865
00:59:47,196 --> 00:59:49,320
when then rely the guidance

1866
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,401
under Halo. And we do have

1867
00:59:51,401 --> 00:59:52,368
some robust policy controls

1868
00:59:52,368 --> 00:59:53,403
Rican regards to all of

1869
00:59:53,403 --> 00:59:54,360
technologies that are used

1870
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,272
utilized by the real time

1871
00:59:56,272 --> 00:59:58,774
crime center as well. So yes,

1872
00:59:58,774 --> 00:59:59,575
it would because it is a

1873
00:59:59,575 --> 01:00:02,575
camera device. Well, would say

1874
01:00:02,979 --> 01:00:05,379
that, though. And updated

1875
01:00:06,215 --> 01:00:08,615
policy language. If that's

1876
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:09,619
tool absent provides. That

1877
01:00:09,619 --> 01:00:12,619
there would be even the

1878
01:00:12,655 --> 01:00:15,655
reference to the sections or

1879
01:00:16,326 --> 01:00:17,250
something else. Because that

1880
01:00:17,250 --> 01:00:19,862
just learned about that that

1881
01:00:19,862 --> 01:00:20,530
side of that technology here.

1882
01:00:20,530 --> 01:00:23,530
So just wanted something to

1883
01:00:24,867 --> 01:00:27,170
speak to that. I think that's

1884
01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:27,803
absolutely did call out. I All

1885
01:00:27,803 --> 01:00:29,339
of you that with the city

1886
01:00:29,339 --> 01:00:30,600
attorney's office was once

1887
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:31,307
more to just make sure that

1888
01:00:31,307 --> 01:00:32,941
that if it's not in there

1889
01:00:32,941 --> 01:00:33,576
already, that we could

1890
01:00:33,576 --> 01:00:35,576
something that explicitly

1891
01:00:36,646 --> 01:00:39,460
addresses that concern the

1892
01:00:39,515 --> 01:00:42,515
real time crime center how

1893
01:00:43,419 --> 01:00:44,860
long does that then? Like a

1894
01:00:44,860 --> 01:00:47,860
dedicated team and how many

1895
01:00:48,458 --> 01:00:50,293
people make it up? So it's

1896
01:00:50,293 --> 01:00:52,495
quite a few years now. I think

1897
01:00:52,495 --> 01:00:53,662
I think the halo cameras go

1898
01:00:53,662 --> 01:00:57,262
back to the dnc that we

1899
01:00:57,333 --> 01:00:58,670
previously hosted. So

1900
01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:58,768
>> doing that math in my head.

1901
01:00:58,768 --> 01:01:01,768
It's been it's 20 years been

1902
01:01:02,571 --> 01:01:03,206
quite long time. The author, a

1903
01:01:03,206 --> 01:01:05,374
strength real time. Crime

1904
01:01:05,374 --> 01:01:08,374
centers is 12. Far below that

1905
01:01:13,816 --> 01:01:15,840
currently. But yeah, okay. I

1906
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,619
don't think I have additional

1907
01:01:17,619 --> 01:01:20,190
questions. Only interest that

1908
01:01:22,591 --> 01:01:23,259
I have as as we just utilize

1909
01:01:23,259 --> 01:01:25,895
more frequently, do want to

1910
01:01:25,895 --> 01:01:28,295
better understand what impact

1911
01:01:29,665 --> 01:01:32,665
that has on redistribution of

1912
01:01:33,869 --> 01:01:35,400
officers and budget

1913
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,339
consequences. I feel like we

1914
01:01:37,339 --> 01:01:38,700
should be creating more

1915
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:40,407
efficient systems where we

1916
01:01:40,476 --> 01:01:42,876
need fewer people interacting

1917
01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:46,982
or we're trying to address

1918
01:01:46,982 --> 01:01:47,683
some of gap that we experience

1919
01:01:47,683 --> 01:01:50,520
with either response times or

1920
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,520
something like that and this

1921
01:01:53,856 --> 01:01:54,590
is just the sense that I feel

1922
01:01:54,590 --> 01:01:58,270
it MAY not be real in terms of

1923
01:01:58,270 --> 01:02:01,627
numbers or data. We things to

1924
01:02:03,499 --> 01:02:04,333
the side of budget and

1925
01:02:04,333 --> 01:02:06,235
technology. I'm concerned that

1926
01:02:06,235 --> 01:02:06,969
we're not being very judicious

1927
01:02:06,969 --> 01:02:09,304
about. Where does that then

1928
01:02:09,304 --> 01:02:12,304
relieve us of publication to

1929
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:14,811
keep putting money in our

1930
01:02:14,811 --> 01:02:17,811
personnel and when we continue

1931
01:02:18,347 --> 01:02:20,160
to both tolls and money to the

1932
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,116
side of the budget. But I can

1933
01:02:21,116 --> 01:02:24,116
bring that up another time.

1934
01:02:25,588 --> 01:02:27,988
Thank you. Thank you.

1935
01:02:30,492 --> 01:02:32,562
Councilmember I have a second

1936
01:02:32,562 --> 01:02:35,562
that beef before we jump 2

1937
01:02:35,631 --> 01:02:38,310
quick First on year.

1938
01:02:38,734 --> 01:02:39,702
>> Policy and procedures

1939
01:02:39,702 --> 01:02:41,370
manual. Is there a reason why

1940
01:02:41,370 --> 01:02:44,970
we're not think not stick to

1941
01:02:46,209 --> 01:02:46,943
carriers, wiser name of that

1942
01:02:46,943 --> 01:02:49,943
carrier. Less than an We're

1943
01:02:51,514 --> 01:02:53,416
going to be going think that's

1944
01:02:53,416 --> 01:02:55,183
a good I was actually thinking

1945
01:02:55,183 --> 01:02:56,180
about that as we were just

1946
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:56,686
discussing, removing flock and

1947
01:02:56,686 --> 01:02:58,487
then putting in an Exxon. I

1948
01:02:58,487 --> 01:02:59,488
think the reason that it's in

1949
01:02:59,488 --> 01:03:00,756
there now

1950
01:03:00,756 --> 01:03:01,457
>> is to differentiate the

1951
01:03:01,457 --> 01:03:03,857
unique characteristics of the

1952
01:03:05,940 --> 01:03:05,762
various platforms that we use.

1953
01:03:05,762 --> 01:03:06,329
So I will definitely bring

1954
01:03:06,329 --> 01:03:08,531
that up with the city

1955
01:03:08,531 --> 01:03:09,232
attorney's office and see if

1956
01:03:09,232 --> 01:03:11,533
we can. You just make a pass

1957
01:03:11,533 --> 01:03:13,533
from

1958
01:03:15,137 --> 01:03:15,872
>> One of 13 council members,

1959
01:03:15,872 --> 01:03:16,539
my strong recommendations that

1960
01:03:16,539 --> 01:03:19,539
were not flipping names an

1961
01:03:19,909 --> 01:03:23,509
opera Miles that we are having

1962
01:03:24,613 --> 01:03:25,214
procedures specific 2 systems

1963
01:03:25,214 --> 01:03:27,614
and abilities And means

1964
01:03:27,683 --> 01:03:29,885
because then you're going

1965
01:03:29,885 --> 01:03:30,486
continue updating whatever

1966
01:03:30,486 --> 01:03:31,187
basis. That is just my

1967
01:03:31,187 --> 01:03:33,587
recommendation. So would love

1968
01:03:33,889 --> 01:03:35,157
to hear city attorney's

1969
01:03:35,157 --> 01:03:37,157
perspective.

1970
01:03:38,962 --> 01:03:39,428
>> I have I have continued

1971
01:03:39,428 --> 01:03:40,129
concerns. West.

1972
01:03:40,129 --> 01:03:42,980
>> Surveillance cameras near

1973
01:03:42,980 --> 01:03:44,980
predict reproductive all

1974
01:03:44,990 --> 01:03:45,134
centers. And I would like you

1975
01:03:45,134 --> 01:03:48,134
to describe once what controls

1976
01:03:48,971 --> 01:03:51,600
that we have as we commission

1977
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:51,940
on cameras from the last

1978
01:03:51,940 --> 01:03:54,940
carrier to now this carrier.

1979
01:03:55,711 --> 01:03:58,711
What? Controls that? We have

1980
01:03:59,448 --> 01:04:02,384
to ensure that new cameras,

1981
01:04:02,384 --> 01:04:03,319
our place places that provide

1982
01:04:03,319 --> 01:04:06,919
details folks going in and out

1983
01:04:07,256 --> 01:04:08,423
really ensuring that they have

1984
01:04:08,423 --> 01:04:10,823
safety, security and privacy

1985
01:04:11,226 --> 01:04:12,295
with going to reproductive

1986
01:04:12,295 --> 01:04:12,828
health centers.

1987
01:04:12,828 --> 01:04:14,396
>> Yeah, thank you,

1988
01:04:14,396 --> 01:04:15,230
COUNCILMAN. I we've had this

1989
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:15,931
conversation a couple times.

1990
01:04:15,931 --> 01:04:16,632
We've also been talking with

1991
01:04:16,632 --> 01:04:19,632
some of the organizations in

1992
01:04:20,603 --> 01:04:21,837
that space I know dpd is

1993
01:04:21,837 --> 01:04:23,606
currently working on kind of

1994
01:04:23,606 --> 01:04:25,508
the list of criteria that

1995
01:04:25,508 --> 01:04:27,576
they're going to use for

1996
01:04:27,576 --> 01:04:28,277
determining where these camera

1997
01:04:28,277 --> 01:04:30,212
placements we're happy to sit

1998
01:04:30,212 --> 01:04:30,913
down with any councilmember

1999
01:04:30,913 --> 01:04:31,580
and have discussions about

2000
01:04:31,580 --> 01:04:34,580
either in your district or

2001
01:04:34,917 --> 01:04:35,618
city at large where camera

2002
01:04:35,618 --> 01:04:38,618
placements going kind of the

2003
01:04:39,489 --> 01:04:40,222
feedback there in a couple of

2004
01:04:40,222 --> 01:04:43,222
things that we've talked about

2005
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,461
as it relates to putting that

2006
01:04:46,461 --> 01:04:47,196
certain sensitive locations,

2007
01:04:47,196 --> 01:04:49,565
right? As we've already talked

2008
01:04:49,565 --> 01:04:50,699
about, these are facing the

2009
01:04:50,699 --> 01:04:51,500
public right of way right

2010
01:04:51,500 --> 01:04:52,401
there facing public streets to

2011
01:04:52,401 --> 01:04:53,602
face in the parking lot. It's

2012
01:04:53,602 --> 01:04:55,103
not facing a specific

2013
01:04:55,103 --> 01:04:55,771
building. It's getting the

2014
01:04:55,771 --> 01:04:57,730
image is going through and

2015
01:04:57,730 --> 01:05:00,730
down the public street. So

2016
01:05:00,910 --> 01:05:01,610
that's part of it. The

2017
01:05:01,610 --> 01:05:04,610
reduction in the retention of

2018
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:06,682
the number of days policy is

2019
01:05:06,682 --> 01:05:07,416
son, Parker, reflection of

2020
01:05:07,416 --> 01:05:10,786
some of the concerns have been

2021
01:05:10,786 --> 01:05:12,655
raised about the potential for

2022
01:05:12,655 --> 01:05:14,890
improper uses around

2023
01:05:14,890 --> 01:05:14,757
reproductive healthcare

2024
01:05:14,757 --> 01:05:15,957
investigations and there's

2025
01:05:15,957 --> 01:05:16,926
going to be there's already

2026
01:05:16,926 --> 01:05:19,926
policies and exist with be

2027
01:05:19,995 --> 01:05:21,964
explicit language in the

2028
01:05:21,964 --> 01:05:23,320
contract about the fact that

2029
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:24,266
we have shield laws in the

2030
01:05:24,266 --> 01:05:25,568
state and that none of this

2031
01:05:25,568 --> 01:05:26,769
can be used for the purposes

2032
01:05:26,769 --> 01:05:29,169
of those types of

2033
01:05:29,572 --> 01:05:30,272
investigations. So it's the

2034
01:05:30,272 --> 01:05:33,272
balance of the concerns that

2035
01:05:33,742 --> 01:05:34,577
have been raised. Also

2036
01:05:34,577 --> 01:05:35,578
recognizing that a lot of the

2037
01:05:35,578 --> 01:05:36,278
sensitive locations, those

2038
01:05:36,278 --> 01:05:38,678
type of facilities, hospitals

2039
01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:40,683
and places, those are also

2040
01:05:40,683 --> 01:05:43,830
places that targeted for

2041
01:05:44,219 --> 01:05:45,721
attack other. Criminal

2042
01:05:45,721 --> 01:05:46,489
conduct. And so weighing those

2043
01:05:46,489 --> 01:05:48,423
factors as part of what we've

2044
01:05:48,423 --> 01:05:50,823
been discussing. But I'm

2045
01:05:50,893 --> 01:05:51,594
certainly chat about the

2046
01:05:51,594 --> 01:05:52,261
camera placement that you any

2047
01:05:52,261 --> 01:05:55,261
other member who would like

2048
01:05:59,268 --> 01:06:00,369
to. Thank you so much. In the

2049
01:06:00,369 --> 01:06:01,700
second round councilmember

2050
01:06:01,700 --> 01:06:01,737
parity visas tears comes from

2051
01:06:01,737 --> 01:06:04,137
Cashman and Council member

2052
01:06:04,807 --> 01:06:05,708
Fletcher.

2053
01:06:05,708 --> 01:06:09,308
>> and I apologize. I just our

2054
01:06:11,881 --> 01:06:12,948
council member Amanda Sawyer,

2055
01:06:12,948 --> 01:06:14,150
and you didn't go first round.

2056
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:14,983
So if you don't mind jumping

2057
01:06:14,983 --> 01:06:16,419
in and don't go to second.

2058
01:06:16,419 --> 01:06:18,870
Great. Thank you so much.

2059
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:18,754
MISTER Chair. Really person

2060
01:06:18,754 --> 01:06:21,857
and I want to say thank you

2061
01:06:21,857 --> 01:06:22,892
for hearing the council's

2062
01:06:22,892 --> 01:06:24,293
concerns about.

2063
01:06:24,293 --> 01:06:24,927
>> You a lot of the different

2064
01:06:24,927 --> 01:06:27,163
things that we've already

2065
01:06:27,163 --> 01:06:27,862
talked about here and being

2066
01:06:27,862 --> 01:06:30,862
responsive to them. I really

2067
01:06:31,660 --> 01:06:31,734
appreciate it. We have been in

2068
01:06:31,734 --> 01:06:33,690
situations previously where

2069
01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:33,769
we've had concerns like this

2070
01:06:33,769 --> 01:06:36,504
and haven't been responded to

2071
01:06:36,504 --> 01:06:37,173
with such thorough and

2072
01:06:37,173 --> 01:06:39,173
extensive conversation and

2073
01:06:39,941 --> 01:06:42,341
research and discussions. So

2074
01:06:43,144 --> 01:06:45,544
thank really appreciate Wanted

2075
01:06:46,282 --> 01:06:47,149
to ask about the 55 cameras

2076
01:06:47,149 --> 01:06:48,718
that are coming in in this

2077
01:06:48,718 --> 01:06:52,318
contract. So right now we have

2078
01:06:52,955 --> 01:06:55,355
111 flock cameras. This more

2079
01:06:56,892 --> 01:06:58,928
than cuts that in half. What

2080
01:06:58,928 --> 01:06:59,561
does that mean for kind of

2081
01:06:59,561 --> 01:07:02,561
system in general and the

2082
01:07:03,499 --> 01:07:05,500
impacts that I have? I think

2083
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:07,469
we're going to have to and we

2084
01:07:07,469 --> 01:07:08,703
fully anticipate to drain into

2085
01:07:08,703 --> 01:07:09,438
the collection phase as we

2086
01:07:09,438 --> 01:07:11,307
roll out this platform to kind

2087
01:07:11,307 --> 01:07:11,974
of see where.

2088
01:07:11,974 --> 01:07:13,209
>> That plans to on. If you

2089
01:07:13,209 --> 01:07:15,277
want to see details in that

2090
01:07:15,277 --> 01:07:16,312
regard. But essentially, we do

2091
01:07:16,312 --> 01:07:17,113
know that they're, you know,

2092
01:07:17,113 --> 01:07:19,148
reducing the number of lpr

2093
01:07:19,148 --> 01:07:20,181
devices will have some sort of

2094
01:07:20,181 --> 01:07:21,951
impact. We're not exactly sure

2095
01:07:21,951 --> 01:07:23,886
where that impactful will

2096
01:07:23,886 --> 01:07:24,553
land, but we're definitely be

2097
01:07:24,553 --> 01:07:27,222
collecting data as much as

2098
01:07:27,222 --> 01:07:28,524
possible in that regard. Is

2099
01:07:28,524 --> 01:07:29,391
that does that make sense? I

2100
01:07:29,391 --> 01:07:32,795
think so. I mean, I guess I'm

2101
01:07:32,795 --> 01:07:34,795
I'm asking

2102
01:07:35,464 --> 01:07:36,499
>> this we have seen

2103
01:07:36,499 --> 01:07:38,499
significant success with 111

2104
01:07:40,836 --> 01:07:42,438
cameras are we going to be

2105
01:07:42,438 --> 01:07:45,641
able to have that same level

2106
01:07:45,641 --> 01:07:46,609
of success with less cameras?

2107
01:07:46,609 --> 01:07:47,376
I think there will be an

2108
01:07:47,376 --> 01:07:48,177
impact. And I just I just

2109
01:07:48,177 --> 01:07:48,844
don't I can't quantify what

2110
01:07:48,844 --> 01:07:52,444
that impact will be at this

2111
01:07:53,682 --> 01:07:54,490
plane.

2112
01:07:54,490 --> 01:07:55,551
>> think

2113
01:07:55,551 --> 01:07:56,218
>> that that's goes back to

2114
01:07:56,218 --> 01:07:56,852
their earlier discussion of

2115
01:07:56,852 --> 01:08:00,452
why tpd is coming up with

2116
01:08:00,456 --> 01:08:02,157
this. This kind of list of

2117
01:08:02,157 --> 01:08:03,359
parameters for determining

2118
01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:03,993
where cameras are most needed

2119
01:08:03,993 --> 01:08:06,993
across the city and then

2120
01:08:07,329 --> 01:08:08,297
obviously working with council

2121
01:08:08,297 --> 01:08:11,297
members to have that further

2122
01:08:11,967 --> 01:08:12,700
discussion around the

2123
01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:14,770
placement. But it's it'll be a

2124
01:08:14,770 --> 01:08:15,503
little bit of an iterative

2125
01:08:15,503 --> 01:08:18,503
process along with the 21 day.

2126
01:08:19,441 --> 01:08:21,443
Retention period rate is to

2127
01:08:21,443 --> 01:08:23,379
How much of a loss evidence

2128
01:08:23,379 --> 01:08:24,914
does that create? Because it's

2129
01:08:24,914 --> 01:08:25,580
significant not similar with

2130
01:08:25,580 --> 01:08:27,716
the reduction cameras. It's

2131
01:08:27,716 --> 01:08:28,817
something that will be

2132
01:08:28,817 --> 01:08:30,753
tracking certainly.

2133
01:08:30,753 --> 01:08:31,387
>> Ok, so are you kind of

2134
01:08:31,387 --> 01:08:34,987
looking at this that as a

2135
01:08:37,226 --> 01:08:40,226
pilot to see what that?

2136
01:08:40,429 --> 01:08:41,697
>> loss what that impact will

2137
01:08:41,697 --> 01:08:42,364
be, what all of the different

2138
01:08:42,364 --> 01:08:43,320
things that we just talked

2139
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,602
about like is that are you

2140
01:08:46,602 --> 01:08:47,302
sort of? From a management

2141
01:08:47,302 --> 01:08:49,702
perspective? Are you looking

2142
01:08:50,873 --> 01:08:52,700
at this as a as an opportunity

2143
01:08:52,700 --> 01:08:54,407
to pilot a different

2144
01:08:55,978 --> 01:08:56,812
technology that works better

2145
01:08:56,812 --> 01:08:57,546
given all of our concerns. And

2146
01:08:57,546 --> 01:08:59,815
given the community's concerns

2147
01:08:59,815 --> 01:09:02,215
about data, retention, cetera,

2148
01:09:03,919 --> 01:09:05,870
that vision here.

2149
01:09:05,870 --> 01:09:07,870
>> Absolutely. That's

2150
01:09:07,890 --> 01:09:07,990
different aspect because this

2151
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:09,758
is a different platform Levy's

2152
01:09:09,758 --> 01:09:11,293
previously. For example, the

2153
01:09:11,293 --> 01:09:12,361
retention period is, as Tim

2154
01:09:12,361 --> 01:09:12,928
said, is being reduced. So I

2155
01:09:12,928 --> 01:09:13,629
think there's there's

2156
01:09:13,629 --> 01:09:16,290
definitely different types of

2157
01:09:16,980 --> 01:09:16,832
metrics that we're going to be

2158
01:09:16,832 --> 01:09:19,201
monitoring and capturing to to

2159
01:09:19,201 --> 01:09:20,350
kind of judge the efficacy.

2160
01:09:20,350 --> 01:09:20,836
And I think, you know, as this

2161
01:09:20,836 --> 01:09:23,836
new platform rules out, that's

2162
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:24,673
going take some time. This is

2163
01:09:24,673 --> 01:09:27,673
new platform rules out. You

2164
01:09:27,676 --> 01:09:28,344
know, we can start comparing

2165
01:09:28,344 --> 01:09:28,978
what that what the numbers

2166
01:09:28,978 --> 01:09:31,978
look like to the previous

2167
01:09:34,150 --> 01:09:36,150
platform. Really appreciate

2168
01:09:37,119 --> 01:09:37,786
that. I I will just follow

2169
01:09:37,786 --> 01:09:38,487
Councilmember Cashman's

2170
01:09:38,487 --> 01:09:40,356
requests that U.S. Keep us

2171
01:09:40,356 --> 01:09:41,256
updated on what this looks

2172
01:09:41,256 --> 01:09:42,591
like after.

2173
01:09:42,591 --> 01:09:43,626
>> You know, assuming the

2174
01:09:43,626 --> 01:09:44,560
contract goes through after

2175
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,528
certain number of months,

2176
01:09:46,528 --> 01:09:49,528
maybe quarterly kind of go

2177
01:09:51,967 --> 01:09:53,269
over what that looks like

2178
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:55,437
really appreciate that. I will

2179
01:09:55,437 --> 01:09:56,171
say thank you for delaying

2180
01:09:56,171 --> 01:09:56,805
this to a date certain because

2181
01:09:56,805 --> 01:09:59,205
I don't feel comfortable

2182
01:10:00,408 --> 01:10:01,577
voting on this contract and

2183
01:10:01,577 --> 01:10:04,346
tell they see the contract

2184
01:10:04,346 --> 01:10:06,682
itself. And the reason for

2185
01:10:06,682 --> 01:10:10,282
that is because task force has

2186
01:10:10,919 --> 01:10:11,587
been talking. Lyle about

2187
01:10:11,587 --> 01:10:13,987
creating an ordinance that

2188
01:10:15,124 --> 01:10:17,559
would manage data sharing and

2189
01:10:17,559 --> 01:10:18,193
privacy are across all

2190
01:10:18,193 --> 01:10:20,280
technology platforms that

2191
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,280
doesn't exist at this moment.

2192
01:10:26,135 --> 01:10:28,337
I hope it does But what that

2193
01:10:28,337 --> 01:10:28,903
means for real world

2194
01:10:28,903 --> 01:10:30,903
implications is that

2195
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:32,841
guardrails have to exist in

2196
01:10:32,841 --> 01:10:35,911
the contract. And that's why I

2197
01:10:35,911 --> 01:10:36,611
feel like I cam vote to move

2198
01:10:36,611 --> 01:10:38,247
this out of committee until I

2199
01:10:38,247 --> 01:10:39,148
see the contract because the

2200
01:10:39,148 --> 01:10:41,548
only place these guardrails

2201
01:10:44,386 --> 01:10:45,454
exist the contract. So really

2202
01:10:45,454 --> 01:10:47,422
appreciate you getting that.

2203
01:10:47,422 --> 01:10:48,123
That to us soon as possible.

2204
01:10:48,123 --> 01:10:50,959
And thanks again for hearing

2205
01:10:50,959 --> 01:10:54,163
us and for doing only work on

2206
01:10:54,163 --> 01:10:54,830
Thank you.

2207
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:55,497
>> Thank you. Councilmember

2208
01:10:55,497 --> 01:10:57,897
And then Councilmember gets

2209
01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:02,710
off terrorists and let's start

2210
01:11:02,710 --> 01:11:03,572
there thank you, MISTER Do we

2211
01:11:03,572 --> 01:11:04,306
have an axon representative

2212
01:11:04,306 --> 01:11:06,941
available to be promoted or is

2213
01:11:06,941 --> 01:11:08,143
he he great. Thank you.

2214
01:11:08,143 --> 01:11:09,478
>> So something I didn't get a

2215
01:11:09,478 --> 01:11:10,979
chance to ask. And to

2216
01:11:10,979 --> 01:11:12,800
Beijing's, I've had with you

2217
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,800
all that. I appreciate all

2218
01:11:15,851 --> 01:11:19,488
that time spent how a tax on

2219
01:11:19,488 --> 01:11:20,621
handle executive order or a

2220
01:11:20,621 --> 01:11:22,591
situation where the federal

2221
01:11:22,591 --> 01:11:23,292
government sent you a

2222
01:11:23,292 --> 01:11:23,992
subpoena. You sent it to the

2223
01:11:23,992 --> 01:11:25,327
role. The jurisdiction is the

2224
01:11:25,327 --> 01:11:27,329
owner of the data. But the

2225
01:11:27,329 --> 01:11:28,163
federal government then took

2226
01:11:28,163 --> 01:11:31,763
Exxon to court trying to get

2227
01:11:33,202 --> 01:11:34,169
essentially all of your data.

2228
01:11:34,169 --> 01:11:35,838
>> In in a scenario like that

2229
01:11:35,838 --> 01:11:36,472
is something that we have a

2230
01:11:36,472 --> 01:11:38,640
legal team where we would

2231
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,640
fight against That's kind of

2232
01:11:42,444 --> 01:11:43,144
as far as I. And able to

2233
01:11:43,144 --> 01:11:44,513
probably speak to that. But I

2234
01:11:44,513 --> 01:11:45,247
get more specifics in terms of

2235
01:11:45,247 --> 01:11:46,715
like what we would actually do

2236
01:11:46,715 --> 01:11:50,315
in a matter like that. But

2237
01:11:50,686 --> 01:11:51,419
Lilly under contract, we send

2238
01:11:51,419 --> 01:11:52,121
the did send the foi request a

2239
01:11:52,121 --> 01:11:55,457
review because we do not have

2240
01:11:55,457 --> 01:11:56,157
access and it is not our data.

2241
01:11:56,157 --> 01:11:57,826
>> Something that we talked a

2242
01:11:57,826 --> 01:11:59,270
little bit everything in our

2243
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:59,695
second briefing yesterday was

2244
01:11:59,695 --> 01:12:02,998
that also impacts on has an

2245
01:12:02,998 --> 01:12:04,266
ethics board around ai looking

2246
01:12:04,266 --> 01:12:05,667
into a little more actually

2247
01:12:05,667 --> 01:12:06,468
saw that entire board resigned

2248
01:12:06,468 --> 01:12:08,737
in 2022. So I We're talking

2249
01:12:08,737 --> 01:12:09,605
about a new word. It was

2250
01:12:09,605 --> 01:12:11,506
replaced. That resignation was

2251
01:12:11,506 --> 01:12:14,506
pretty concerning to me. Can

2252
01:12:15,176 --> 01:12:15,844
you talk about whether Axon

2253
01:12:15,844 --> 01:12:16,545
did anything to address the

2254
01:12:16,545 --> 01:12:19,545
concerns that led the entire

2255
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:23,149
board resign due to the

2256
01:12:23,252 --> 01:12:26,252
announcement some time not his

2257
01:12:27,122 --> 01:12:27,923
quick to and then also use

2258
01:12:27,923 --> 01:12:29,923
surveillance cameras with

2259
01:12:30,125 --> 01:12:31,226
real-time streaming, which is

2260
01:12:31,226 --> 01:12:32,394
exactly what we're talking to

2261
01:12:32,394 --> 01:12:35,497
me what it acts. In response

2262
01:12:35,497 --> 01:12:36,365
to that words as a nation of

2263
01:12:36,365 --> 01:12:37,990
2022.

2264
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:38,133
>> That's one of probably have

2265
01:12:38,133 --> 01:12:38,700
to follow up on to get more

2266
01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:39,435
specifics about that

2267
01:12:39,435 --> 01:12:42,137
particular piece. But all fall

2268
01:12:42,137 --> 01:12:42,805
on that.

2269
01:12:42,805 --> 01:12:43,539
>> Okay. I would appreciate

2270
01:12:43,539 --> 01:12:47,139
that because I wasn't aware of

2271
01:12:49,111 --> 01:12:50,344
it is concerning for dvd. Is

2272
01:12:50,344 --> 01:12:51,113
there any other software of

2273
01:12:51,113 --> 01:12:51,847
all the different tools that

2274
01:12:51,847 --> 01:12:54,782
you have available in the real

2275
01:12:54,782 --> 01:12:55,818
time crime center?

2276
01:12:55,818 --> 01:12:56,552
>> That has facial recognition

2277
01:12:56,552 --> 01:12:59,552
capability. Even if you're not

2278
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:04,259
necessarily using No, to my

2279
01:13:04,259 --> 01:13:06,659
knowledge. I'm I'm concerned

2280
01:13:07,229 --> 01:13:09,970
that even if the even of axons

2281
01:13:09,970 --> 01:13:11,400
over them is not building in

2282
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:12,401
facial recognition, that live

2283
01:13:12,401 --> 01:13:13,168
streaming capability leads to

2284
01:13:13,168 --> 01:13:14,690
the possibility of fake

2285
01:13:14,690 --> 01:13:15,270
official recognition by

2286
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:16,405
wearing it with another And

2287
01:13:16,405 --> 01:13:17,139
it's just one of these things

2288
01:13:17,139 --> 01:13:18,474
where there's so much we don't

2289
01:13:18,474 --> 01:13:21,209
know about what happens in our

2290
01:13:21,209 --> 01:13:21,910
gcc that I have to raise a

2291
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:25,113
concern. It's a member and I

2292
01:13:25,113 --> 01:13:25,780
know I just want to

2293
01:13:25,780 --> 01:13:27,683
>> a flag for you like, you

2294
01:13:27,683 --> 01:13:30,850
know, we're we're very aware

2295
01:13:30,850 --> 01:13:31,920
that recognition legislatively

2296
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,222
regulated in the state of

2297
01:13:34,222 --> 01:13:34,956
Colorado. And so that's, you

2298
01:13:34,956 --> 01:13:36,624
know, you have to be something

2299
01:13:36,624 --> 01:13:37,559
almost all of our vendors that

2300
01:13:37,559 --> 01:13:39,959
dead even have anything

2301
01:13:39,995 --> 01:13:40,696
related to facial recognition

2302
01:13:40,696 --> 01:13:43,980
understand that we would have

2303
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:43,765
to explicitly opt in and

2304
01:13:43,765 --> 01:13:46,765
typically we would have to

2305
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:48,837
provide evidence that, you

2306
01:13:48,837 --> 01:13:50,472
know, we collaborated with

2307
01:13:50,472 --> 01:13:51,874
city council as required by

2308
01:13:51,874 --> 01:13:55,474
law in order to bring that

2309
01:13:55,977 --> 01:13:56,978
technology and to use That's a

2310
01:13:56,978 --> 01:13:58,980
lot. And our compliance with

2311
01:13:58,980 --> 01:13:59,648
is another side topic. That's

2312
01:13:59,648 --> 01:14:00,382
a reasonable course of this

2313
01:14:00,382 --> 01:14:01,830
task force. And I just haven't

2314
01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:02,617
had time to sort of fully ask

2315
01:14:02,617 --> 01:14:05,170
questions about. And so

2316
01:14:06,621 --> 01:14:07,889
>> I would like to do that as

2317
01:14:07,889 --> 01:14:09,958
well because just it's only as

2318
01:14:09,958 --> 01:14:10,959
good as our kind of enforce

2319
01:14:10,959 --> 01:14:11,593
mechanisms. You know, that

2320
01:14:11,593 --> 01:14:12,127
down flock was developed

2321
01:14:12,127 --> 01:14:13,896
initial actions and

2322
01:14:13,896 --> 01:14:15,130
technology. So again, we have

2323
01:14:15,130 --> 01:14:16,765
an example where all these

2324
01:14:16,765 --> 01:14:17,466
things on the on paper just

2325
01:14:17,466 --> 01:14:18,200
into the tracks. All I have a

2326
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:19,935
question about that, but thank

2327
01:14:19,935 --> 01:14:22,905
you for that. Has the

2328
01:14:22,905 --> 01:14:24,905
administration probably hurt

2329
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:25,940
him. Doesn't sort of diligence

2330
01:14:25,940 --> 01:14:28,340
on axons business immigration

2331
01:14:30,112 --> 01:14:31,313
enforcement?

2332
01:14:31,313 --> 01:14:32,681
>> Yes, mean, I know that they

2333
01:14:32,681 --> 01:14:34,516
have contracts with dhs with

2334
01:14:34,516 --> 01:14:36,451
ice to provide teachers and

2335
01:14:36,451 --> 01:14:37,218
body-worn camera. I believe

2336
01:14:37,218 --> 01:14:38,530
this was probably a top

2337
01:14:38,530 --> 01:14:38,720
discussion when the body-worn

2338
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,221
camera Taser contract came

2339
01:14:40,221 --> 01:14:43,821
through this body a couple of

2340
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,528
months ago. So it's certainly

2341
01:14:46,528 --> 01:14:47,229
a factor. This obviously a

2342
01:14:47,229 --> 01:14:49,629
separate program from those.

2343
01:14:51,466 --> 01:14:52,700
To my knowledge, the federal

2344
01:14:52,700 --> 01:14:53,468
there, there is not an example

2345
01:14:53,468 --> 01:14:56,468
the federal getting access to

2346
01:14:57,390 --> 01:14:57,773
that scenario. Lpr system.

2347
01:14:57,773 --> 01:15:00,208
>> And I guess I'm curious

2348
01:15:00,208 --> 01:15:01,610
whether after Mets executive

2349
01:15:01,610 --> 01:15:03,610
order recently, whether

2350
01:15:04,713 --> 01:15:05,414
there's any thought from the

2351
01:15:05,414 --> 01:15:05,947
administration about kind of

2352
01:15:05,947 --> 01:15:07,947
from like unethical

2353
01:15:09,251 --> 01:15:10,686
contracting point of view

2354
01:15:10,686 --> 01:15:11,519
considering those sorts of

2355
01:15:11,519 --> 01:15:12,154
times before we agree get a

2356
01:15:12,154 --> 01:15:12,854
lot of money to a company

2357
01:15:12,854 --> 01:15:14,289
because that's something the

2358
01:15:14,289 --> 01:15:16,689
mayor isn't interested. Happy

2359
01:15:16,825 --> 01:15:17,526
have a conversation. Will this

2360
01:15:17,526 --> 01:15:20,395
the time? Because we're about

2361
01:15:20,395 --> 01:15:21,296
to vote on this and we would

2362
01:15:21,296 --> 01:15:23,431
be, you know, paying money to

2363
01:15:23,431 --> 01:15:24,232
this coming. We have a We

2364
01:15:24,232 --> 01:15:25,299
hundreds company already, but

2365
01:15:25,299 --> 01:15:27,202
this would be a new one that

2366
01:15:27,202 --> 01:15:27,903
we don't have already. So I

2367
01:15:27,903 --> 01:15:30,903
just wondered about that from

2368
01:15:32,674 --> 01:15:33,375
the Executive branch Last

2369
01:15:33,375 --> 01:15:36,544
question here. I just want to

2370
01:15:36,544 --> 01:15:37,279
say correcting one thing to

2371
01:15:37,279 --> 01:15:37,979
heart. We are adding new ones.

2372
01:15:37,979 --> 01:15:40,415
I what can enter her and told

2373
01:15:40,415 --> 01:15:44,150
the task force is that average

2374
01:15:45,687 --> 01:15:46,354
range of time for what tpd

2375
01:15:46,354 --> 01:15:48,754
defines as useful evidence

2376
01:15:50,525 --> 01:15:52,427
from a flock cameras was up to

2377
01:15:52,427 --> 01:15:53,610
14 days, not 20. So I just not

2378
01:15:53,610 --> 01:15:56,661
to her split, but I again

2379
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:58,934
wonder why 21 days and I also

2380
01:15:58,934 --> 01:16:00,135
carry us about ledgers to

2381
01:16:00,135 --> 01:16:00,701
actions have those 3, 4, a

2382
01:16:00,701 --> 01:16:03,101
time frames that you

2383
01:16:05,106 --> 01:16:07,709
referenced. Do know that tough

2384
01:16:07,709 --> 01:16:09,677
I don't happy have a

2385
01:16:09,677 --> 01:16:10,778
spreadsheet that I share with

2386
01:16:10,778 --> 01:16:13,649
all council members of a range

2387
01:16:13,649 --> 01:16:14,782
25 or 30 cities and their

2388
01:16:14,782 --> 01:16:16,180
retention policies.

2389
01:16:16,180 --> 01:16:17,819
>> then since I know that you

2390
01:16:17,819 --> 01:16:18,587
as long, just the idea that

2391
01:16:18,587 --> 01:16:19,121
we're not going cameras near

2392
01:16:19,121 --> 01:16:20,589
reproductive health

2393
01:16:20,589 --> 01:16:22,589
facilities. That's obviously

2394
01:16:25,426 --> 01:16:27,262
important. But that also. To

2395
01:16:27,262 --> 01:16:28,563
me is sort banking the

2396
01:16:28,563 --> 01:16:29,197
question. We know that don't

2397
01:16:29,197 --> 01:16:30,264
Cameras have been used in

2398
01:16:30,264 --> 01:16:32,264
other jurisdictions, for

2399
01:16:32,701 --> 01:16:33,435
example, to monitor protest

2400
01:16:33,435 --> 01:16:34,169
activity in the live streaming

2401
01:16:34,169 --> 01:16:37,169
capability makes that far more

2402
01:16:38,173 --> 01:16:38,706
concerning to me. That's

2403
01:16:38,706 --> 01:16:39,374
another exercise of

2404
01:16:39,374 --> 01:16:40,750
constitutional rights and

2405
01:16:40,750 --> 01:16:40,909
concert tours that are still

2406
01:16:40,909 --> 01:16:41,610
protected on like reproductive

2407
01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:43,745
rights, which no longer are.

2408
01:16:43,745 --> 01:16:46,745
But federal government. And so

2409
01:16:48,650 --> 01:16:51,720
it just sort of To me. I feel

2410
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:52,620
like carving out particularly

2411
01:16:52,620 --> 01:16:53,288
well organized kind of

2412
01:16:53,288 --> 01:16:54,220
constituency in the voting

2413
01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:56,824
rights groups who I appreciate

2414
01:16:56,824 --> 01:16:57,858
and agree with. But then we're

2415
01:16:57,858 --> 01:16:59,561
leaving unprotected. A lot of

2416
01:16:59,561 --> 01:17:00,696
other people who might be

2417
01:17:00,696 --> 01:17:01,363
engaging in other kinds of

2418
01:17:01,363 --> 01:17:02,300
protected activity such as

2419
01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:02,697
first met. Right? So I just

2420
01:17:02,697 --> 01:17:06,297
want put that out there for

2421
01:17:06,367 --> 01:17:08,367
conversation. A consideration.

2422
01:17:08,369 --> 01:17:09,437
And I I want to add took a

2423
01:17:09,437 --> 01:17:10,138
very long time to get this

2424
01:17:10,138 --> 01:17:12,538
level of responsiveness. I'm

2425
01:17:13,175 --> 01:17:13,941
glad that we're getting it,

2426
01:17:13,941 --> 01:17:16,712
but I'm not feeling like like

2427
01:17:16,712 --> 01:17:19,447
any of this would have

2428
01:17:19,447 --> 01:17:20,148
happened. We have not had huge

2429
01:17:20,148 --> 01:17:20,816
amount of accountability from

2430
01:17:20,816 --> 01:17:21,650
the public about what went

2431
01:17:21,650 --> 01:17:23,784
incredibly wrong with flock

2432
01:17:23,784 --> 01:17:25,153
and should never have gone

2433
01:17:25,153 --> 01:17:27,188
wrong. Should have been put a

2434
01:17:27,188 --> 01:17:29,291
stop to a year sooner than it

2435
01:17:29,291 --> 01:17:30,125
was and so on. So I just have

2436
01:17:30,125 --> 01:17:32,260
to say that and that's not

2437
01:17:32,260 --> 01:17:34,162
uncommon for dpd. Those are

2438
01:17:34,162 --> 01:17:35,463
political decisions, but I can

2439
01:17:35,463 --> 01:17:36,965
sort of I'm not going to give

2440
01:17:36,965 --> 01:17:37,599
a lot of credit for for this

2441
01:17:37,599 --> 01:17:38,299
process because this is a

2442
01:17:38,299 --> 01:17:40,699
process that's been demanded

2443
01:17:41,670 --> 01:17:43,205
from the public every step of

2444
01:17:43,205 --> 01:17:43,872
the way. And it's been a lot

2445
01:17:43,872 --> 01:17:46,272
of pulling together. Thank

2446
01:17:47,242 --> 01:17:47,909
you. MISTER Chair. Thank

2447
01:17:47,909 --> 01:17:49,909
Councilmember Gonzalez get

2448
01:17:50,445 --> 01:17:51,479
discount cash money accounts

2449
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:52,580
for Flint.

2450
01:17:52,580 --> 01:17:53,648
>> Yes, my question is for is

2451
01:17:53,648 --> 01:17:56,584
it Joe with Axon? Yes. Is he

2452
01:17:56,584 --> 01:17:58,520
any still available? Is the

2453
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,389
main office. Okay. Thank you.

2454
01:18:01,389 --> 01:18:02,390
Thank you. So I have question

2455
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:03,458
about the trigger which

2456
01:18:03,458 --> 01:18:05,160
triggers the cameras to

2457
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,429
activity and actually captured

2458
01:18:07,429 --> 01:18:09,998
images. When I met with the

2459
01:18:09,998 --> 01:18:10,665
fox it was explained to me

2460
01:18:10,665 --> 01:18:11,299
that there was cameras were

2461
01:18:11,299 --> 01:18:14,269
triggered by any sort of

2462
01:18:14,269 --> 01:18:15,637
movement, including someone

2463
01:18:15,637 --> 01:18:16,638
walking through a crosswalk.

2464
01:18:16,638 --> 01:18:20,509
So was it just a on a mobile

2465
01:18:20,509 --> 01:18:21,209
movement? It was unjust,

2466
01:18:21,209 --> 01:18:23,609
capturing license plate data.

2467
01:18:24,779 --> 01:18:25,814
It was also also capturing

2468
01:18:25,814 --> 01:18:28,550
people because of that trigger

2469
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:29,451
and motion detection. Can you

2470
01:18:29,451 --> 01:18:33,510
tell me how these cameras are

2471
01:18:34,156 --> 01:18:35,900
triggered to capture?

2472
01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:35,791
>> The way that our camera

2473
01:18:35,791 --> 01:18:39,391
works is we have both active

2474
01:18:39,594 --> 01:18:42,594
and passive infrared. The idea

2475
01:18:42,764 --> 01:18:44,533
is basically a vehicle creates

2476
01:18:44,533 --> 01:18:45,433
a large amount of heat. And so

2477
01:18:45,433 --> 01:18:49,330
we have a heat signatures that

2478
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:50,171
basically send turns on the

2479
01:18:50,171 --> 01:18:51,606
image sensor. That takes a

2480
01:18:51,606 --> 01:18:53,441
photo of the vehicle and then

2481
01:18:53,441 --> 01:18:56,411
we do analysis to pull out the

2482
01:18:56,411 --> 01:18:58,947
license. We're also working on

2483
01:18:58,947 --> 01:19:00,115
a motion based but that is

2484
01:19:00,115 --> 01:19:00,816
vehicle specifically are not

2485
01:19:00,816 --> 01:19:03,816
using these cameras to track

2486
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:06,788
motion of individuals.

2487
01:19:06,788 --> 01:19:07,522
>> Thank you for for answering

2488
01:19:07,522 --> 01:19:11,722
that. I think that just puts a

2489
01:19:11,893 --> 01:19:13,361
finer point Lake making sure

2490
01:19:13,361 --> 01:19:14,950
that whatever, however, that

2491
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:15,830
technology is being developed,

2492
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:18,830
that there is clear indication

2493
01:19:18,934 --> 01:19:19,601
around that. Again, like not

2494
01:19:19,601 --> 01:19:22,601
going into the like facial

2495
01:19:23,805 --> 01:19:25,841
recognition piece rate of

2496
01:19:25,841 --> 01:19:27,942
identify simple in the use of

2497
01:19:27,942 --> 01:19:30,942
these cameras there was one

2498
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,479
other question I had forward.

2499
01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:38,650
This is also for you, Joe.

2500
01:19:39,955 --> 01:19:42,257
Wasn't around. How information

2501
01:19:42,257 --> 01:19:43,959
is shared with other

2502
01:19:43,959 --> 01:19:44,759
jurisdictions. And I know that

2503
01:19:44,759 --> 01:19:45,560
dpd is saying that if there's

2504
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,461
not going to be to my

2505
01:19:47,461 --> 01:19:49,564
understanding and open door

2506
01:19:49,564 --> 01:19:51,320
kind of policy or even

2507
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:51,733
agreements with other

2508
01:19:51,733 --> 01:19:53,733
jurisdictions that everything

2509
01:19:53,835 --> 01:19:55,770
would stay in-house as opposed

2510
01:19:55,770 --> 01:19:57,772
to how things were being

2511
01:19:57,772 --> 01:19:58,507
shared before. But I just want

2512
01:19:58,507 --> 01:20:01,750
to, I guess, put a finer point

2513
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:04,675
and and confirm if this is

2514
01:20:05,814 --> 01:20:08,814
actually true, is that We'll

2515
01:20:09,851 --> 01:20:14,510
see I have my here and forgot

2516
01:20:14,689 --> 01:20:15,356
it.

2517
01:20:15,356 --> 01:20:18,859
>> Is this so if there are

2518
01:20:18,859 --> 01:20:20,528
protect our Times when data

2519
01:20:20,528 --> 01:20:23,528
would be shared with other

2520
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,680
jurisdictions. The Axon

2521
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:27,769
different jurisdictions

2522
01:20:27,769 --> 01:20:29,703
because this is something we

2523
01:20:29,703 --> 01:20:31,640
talked about kind of artists

2524
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,900
that we know that if a crime

2525
01:20:34,900 --> 01:20:36,311
occurs you know, the border of

2526
01:20:36,311 --> 01:20:38,113
Denver and Lakewood and that

2527
01:20:38,113 --> 01:20:39,347
person that goes into

2528
01:20:39,347 --> 01:20:40,150
Lakewood, that there is some

2529
01:20:40,150 --> 01:20:42,117
kind of collaboration that

2530
01:20:42,117 --> 01:20:44,418
would be happening. And so

2531
01:20:44,418 --> 01:20:45,190
just curious, like, where is

2532
01:20:45,190 --> 01:20:47,419
everyone's part in that

2533
01:20:48,356 --> 01:20:49,223
sharing of that information

2534
01:20:49,223 --> 01:20:50,392
across jurisdictions?

2535
01:20:50,392 --> 01:20:52,327
>> So on the opposite side

2536
01:20:52,327 --> 01:20:53,228
all, what we're doing is

2537
01:20:53,228 --> 01:20:55,628
creating a software that

2538
01:20:56,164 --> 01:20:56,731
facilitates that sharing and

2539
01:20:56,731 --> 01:20:57,399
then the facilitation

2540
01:20:57,399 --> 01:20:58,980
overtime. We're developing

2541
01:20:58,980 --> 01:21:01,350
more and more granular levels

2542
01:21:01,350 --> 01:21:01,770
of that sharing peace.

2543
01:21:01,770 --> 01:21:03,380
Councilmember parity asked the

2544
01:21:03,380 --> 01:21:05,438
question earlier related to

2545
01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:06,775
can you do it based off of

2546
01:21:06,775 --> 01:21:07,442
just case? And the answer is,

2547
01:21:07,442 --> 01:21:08,142
yes, we are developing. So

2548
01:21:08,142 --> 01:21:10,745
that will be available by the

2549
01:21:10,745 --> 01:21:11,813
end of this year where you

2550
01:21:11,813 --> 01:21:13,448
could actually have a sharing

2551
01:21:13,448 --> 01:21:14,181
protocol set up with Lakewood

2552
01:21:14,181 --> 01:21:17,752
or any any agency that you set

2553
01:21:17,752 --> 01:21:19,154
up the sharing principal with

2554
01:21:19,154 --> 01:21:21,560
and it can a space to come.

2555
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:21,856
The reason based number of

2556
01:21:21,856 --> 01:21:22,757
different characteristics, you

2557
01:21:22,757 --> 01:21:26,294
also can have it set up where

2558
01:21:26,294 --> 01:21:27,629
it's the full global access of

2559
01:21:27,629 --> 01:21:31,229
of those lpr reads, but it's

2560
01:21:31,733 --> 01:21:33,401
completely on your and

2561
01:21:33,401 --> 01:21:35,570
discretion in terms how you

2562
01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:36,871
create that sharing principle

2563
01:21:36,871 --> 01:21:38,240
between agencies. There also

2564
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,640
is no syndication of

2565
01:21:41,109 --> 01:21:42,310
information, meaning we are

2566
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:44,345
not rewriting that your pale

2567
01:21:44,345 --> 01:21:46,180
pr reads into another

2568
01:21:46,180 --> 01:21:47,115
database, but other agencies

2569
01:21:47,115 --> 01:21:48,516
database, they are getting

2570
01:21:48,516 --> 01:21:52,420
access to look at the data. So

2571
01:21:52,420 --> 01:21:54,556
if you have your 14 day

2572
01:21:54,556 --> 01:21:56,524
retention policy or 21 day

2573
01:21:56,524 --> 01:21:57,959
retention policy. Those reader

2574
01:21:57,959 --> 01:21:58,727
delete it and no other agency

2575
01:21:58,727 --> 01:21:59,394
can be those because they're

2576
01:21:59,394 --> 01:22:02,297
delete it. And they're only

2577
01:22:02,297 --> 01:22:04,697
looking at your information.

2578
01:22:07,335 --> 01:22:07,969
>> That's on the Thank you.

2579
01:22:07,969 --> 01:22:10,369
Cards guns off terrorist

2580
01:22:10,505 --> 01:22:13,505
Cashman think you MR. Chair

2581
01:22:17,312 --> 01:22:20,912
bills from us to you know.

2582
01:22:21,516 --> 01:22:22,417
Talks still

2583
01:22:22,417 --> 01:22:24,686
>> Currently you're doing this

2584
01:22:24,686 --> 01:22:25,190
more than license plate

2585
01:22:25,190 --> 01:22:27,190
reader.

2586
01:22:29,391 --> 01:22:32,227
>> Because you said can also

2587
01:22:32,227 --> 01:22:34,162
look for body damage and Saint

2588
01:22:34,162 --> 01:22:37,762
truck on a vehicle. Trying to

2589
01:22:37,766 --> 01:22:38,433
find out exactly what. When

2590
01:22:38,433 --> 01:22:40,833
you're taking pictures and

2591
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:41,836
just the back of the car. Can

2592
01:22:41,836 --> 01:22:43,671
you capture the dent on the

2593
01:22:43,671 --> 01:22:47,809
hood of a car in the roof?

2594
01:22:47,809 --> 01:22:48,476
What is being done?

2595
01:22:48,476 --> 01:22:49,311
>> Absolutely. So all do it

2596
01:22:49,311 --> 01:22:51,312
all is based on the

2597
01:22:51,312 --> 01:22:53,248
orientation of the camera to

2598
01:22:53,248 --> 01:22:53,881
the road. And so we're

2599
01:22:53,881 --> 01:22:55,116
capturing an image of the

2600
01:22:55,116 --> 01:22:57,217
vehicle as it passes the

2601
01:22:57,217 --> 01:22:57,819
camera. And so any

2602
01:22:57,819 --> 01:22:59,819
characteristic of that

2603
01:23:00,188 --> 01:23:00,856
vehicle, we would be able to

2604
01:23:00,856 --> 01:23:03,691
capture. And then over time

2605
01:23:03,691 --> 01:23:05,360
you be able to search off with

2606
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,229
policy Right now. It is an

2607
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:09,130
image of that. The back of

2608
01:23:09,130 --> 01:23:10,365
that vehicle.

2609
01:23:10,365 --> 01:23:11,498
>> It just shows that one

2610
01:23:11,498 --> 01:23:14,436
image as the car passes you

2611
01:23:14,436 --> 01:23:16,436
shooting multiple images.

2612
01:23:16,438 --> 01:23:17,872
>> It is. It a shooting,

2613
01:23:17,872 --> 01:23:18,540
multiple images and then

2614
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:22,140
taking the one has the best

2615
01:23:23,944 --> 01:23:24,612
overall view.

2616
01:23:24,612 --> 01:23:27,120
>> Thank marcher. And just

2617
01:23:29,116 --> 01:23:31,516
customer fun. Temperatures I

2618
01:23:33,354 --> 01:23:33,988
just be commander. Of all

2619
01:23:33,988 --> 01:23:36,388
hundreds of thousands of

2620
01:23:36,991 --> 01:23:38,580
photos might be in the

2621
01:23:38,580 --> 01:23:40,458
database are rolling. 21 day

2622
01:23:43,998 --> 01:23:47,735
basis. I just want for you so

2623
01:23:47,735 --> 01:23:50,735
you can affirm that. Images

2624
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,777
are looked at. Are based on. A

2625
01:23:55,777 --> 01:23:56,444
lurch. For information

2626
01:23:56,444 --> 01:23:58,844
developed after a criminal

2627
01:24:01,181 --> 01:24:02,817
complaint. But individual

2628
01:24:02,817 --> 01:24:05,817
beagles are search only south.

2629
01:24:06,454 --> 01:24:08,156
If I'm in there 5 times read

2630
01:24:08,156 --> 01:24:10,592
camera hard times in 21 days.

2631
01:24:10,592 --> 01:24:14,192
No one's working on my car.

2632
01:24:15,620 --> 01:24:15,696
Former car stolen. So we still

2633
01:24:15,696 --> 01:24:17,640
my plate robbed a 7.11 or

2634
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,640
something like that. And then

2635
01:24:20,201 --> 01:24:24,401
on the other hand. If an image

2636
01:24:26,674 --> 01:24:27,341
is useful crime. In

2637
01:24:27,341 --> 01:24:29,341
investigation after the 21

2638
01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:33,681
days. How is that preserved in

2639
01:24:33,681 --> 01:24:34,349
evidence starcom and not

2640
01:24:34,349 --> 01:24:36,749
pursue because we're gonna

2641
01:24:37,886 --> 01:24:39,254
need a going forward for case

2642
01:24:39,254 --> 01:24:40,722
firing. So how do that set up

2643
01:24:40,722 --> 01:24:41,289
more medically as an automatic

2644
01:24:41,289 --> 01:24:43,689
Lee? Same those? The

2645
01:24:45,193 --> 01:24:45,994
detective. Drag and drop it

2646
01:24:45,994 --> 01:24:48,429
into the case file so that

2647
01:24:48,429 --> 01:24:49,620
available 21 days. Absolutely.

2648
01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:52,620
So to address your first

2649
01:24:52,534 --> 01:24:54,701
question. The majority of data

2650
01:24:54,701 --> 01:24:55,770
will be automatically courage.

2651
01:24:55,770 --> 01:24:56,571
There has to be there has to

2652
01:24:56,571 --> 01:24:58,406
be nexus to a crime that was

2653
01:24:58,406 --> 01:24:59,700
committed that we're

2654
01:24:59,700 --> 01:24:59,707
investigating.

2655
01:24:59,707 --> 01:25:02,142
>> In order for us to even go

2656
01:25:02,142 --> 01:25:05,613
look at that image and that

2657
01:25:05,613 --> 01:25:06,247
would be, you a fraction of

2658
01:25:06,247 --> 01:25:09,183
the total amount of data

2659
01:25:09,183 --> 01:25:10,510
that's captured in that

2660
01:25:10,510 --> 01:25:10,652
automatically perched. There

2661
01:25:10,652 --> 01:25:13,154
has to an official law

2662
01:25:13,154 --> 01:25:16,154
enforcement reason to do that.

2663
01:25:17,792 --> 01:25:18,493
And then as far as retaining

2664
01:25:18,493 --> 01:25:20,528
images, if there is an image

2665
01:25:20,528 --> 01:25:22,564
that is evidence in a crime,

2666
01:25:22,564 --> 01:25:23,998
then I know that the platform

2667
01:25:23,998 --> 01:25:24,698
has a specific way to retain

2668
01:25:24,698 --> 01:25:26,334
that, according you know, and

2669
01:25:26,334 --> 01:25:28,436
then tag it with the case.

2670
01:25:28,436 --> 01:25:29,103
Number. I can't I can't think

2671
01:25:29,103 --> 01:25:31,600
of off time. I had exactly

2672
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:32,473
what the mechanism is. A new

2673
01:25:32,473 --> 01:25:33,740
platform. I'm sure some

2674
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:34,275
members of my team know

2675
01:25:34,275 --> 01:25:37,275
exactly how to do that

2676
01:25:37,312 --> 01:25:38,120
already. But there is a way to

2677
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:41,120
preserve evidence dot com as

2678
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:43,218
evidence for couple.

2679
01:25:43,218 --> 01:25:46,218
>> In front starting just in

2680
01:25:49,423 --> 01:25:50,857
terms of that worked out. Just

2681
01:25:50,857 --> 01:25:51,492
be it called the lpr read. You

2682
01:25:51,492 --> 01:25:53,270
can actually just click a

2683
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:54,620
button that says send evidence

2684
01:25:54,620 --> 01:25:56,620
case.

2685
01:25:58,399 --> 01:25:59,500
>> Thank you. That soldier.

2686
01:25:59,500 --> 01:26:00,735
>> Thank you. Councilmember We

2687
01:26:00,735 --> 01:26:04,335
have 5 more minutes to see if

2688
01:26:04,372 --> 01:26:06,507
there's any final questions. I

2689
01:26:06,507 --> 01:26:07,675
comes PRESIDENT Pro did not

2690
01:26:07,675 --> 01:26:08,309
have an additional question.

2691
01:26:08,309 --> 01:26:09,100
Councilmember Torres I to

2692
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:12,100
myself into queue for timing.

2693
01:26:12,547 --> 01:26:13,180
But if it got.

2694
01:26:13,180 --> 01:26:15,490
>> a couple of the camera

2695
01:26:15,490 --> 01:26:18,490
placements for Flock had to

2696
01:26:20,822 --> 01:26:21,389
put up with tier 3. Permits

2697
01:26:21,389 --> 01:26:23,789
once we're no longer

2698
01:26:24,759 --> 01:26:26,561
contracting with them. Does

2699
01:26:26,561 --> 01:26:28,763
permit expired for them or

2700
01:26:28,763 --> 01:26:29,597
what happens with that? Know

2701
01:26:29,597 --> 01:26:32,597
you mentioned a new cameras

2702
01:26:33,768 --> 01:26:35,570
would be utilizing the same

2703
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:36,571
encroachment kind of platforms

2704
01:26:36,571 --> 01:26:40,171
coming. Just tell me a little

2705
01:26:41,109 --> 01:26:41,809
bit had swapped takes place.

2706
01:26:41,809 --> 01:26:42,577
Committed. Please jump in as

2707
01:26:42,577 --> 01:26:45,577
well. The permits for those

2708
01:26:46,247 --> 01:26:48,247
rate of weight.

2709
01:26:48,383 --> 01:26:49,317
>> We're 4, 1, plate readers.

2710
01:26:49,317 --> 01:26:52,253
Generically, I think to the

2711
01:26:52,253 --> 01:26:53,988
earlier point, have term is

2712
01:26:53,988 --> 01:26:54,555
better than specific. Those

2713
01:26:54,555 --> 01:26:56,555
locations where there

2714
01:26:57,658 --> 01:26:58,360
currently are flock cameras,

2715
01:26:58,360 --> 01:26:59,930
her permitted and they would

2716
01:26:59,930 --> 01:27:02,693
remain to be permitted for the

2717
01:27:03,231 --> 01:27:04,198
permanent to flock No. It has

2718
01:27:04,198 --> 01:27:05,867
in close communication with

2719
01:27:05,867 --> 01:27:06,968
Donny and our understanding

2720
01:27:06,968 --> 01:27:10,171
right now is no, they were not

2721
01:27:10,171 --> 01:27:10,872
commit specifically to flock.

2722
01:27:10,872 --> 01:27:11,606
>> And the swapping of

2723
01:27:11,606 --> 01:27:14,208
hardware on those Poles should

2724
01:27:14,208 --> 01:27:14,875
no problem. Okay. So what's

2725
01:27:14,875 --> 01:27:18,475
the timing for this to come

2726
01:27:20,548 --> 01:27:21,282
down? As soon as contract

2727
01:27:21,282 --> 01:27:24,217
breaches term, our data spurs,

2728
01:27:24,217 --> 01:27:24,953
those moved to become status.

2729
01:27:24,953 --> 01:27:28,523
My team is working to schedule

2730
01:27:28,523 --> 01:27:29,457
the with flock, to schedule

2731
01:27:29,457 --> 01:27:30,191
the removal of those. I don't

2732
01:27:30,191 --> 01:27:32,660
know what rate yet. They'll be

2733
01:27:32,660 --> 01:27:33,628
able to remove them. But

2734
01:27:33,628 --> 01:27:36,628
obviously we're going to move

2735
01:27:36,631 --> 01:27:37,332
as as quickly as possible

2736
01:27:37,332 --> 01:27:37,999
because the existing hardware

2737
01:27:37,999 --> 01:27:41,599
has to come down. New thank

2738
01:27:43,237 --> 01:27:43,937
you. Thanks. Thank you.

2739
01:27:43,937 --> 01:27:44,639
Councilmember Torres song see

2740
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:47,639
no further questions on based

2741
01:27:49,210 --> 01:27:51,446
on administration is request.

2742
01:27:51,446 --> 01:27:54,181
>> I will put forward a motion

2743
01:27:54,181 --> 01:27:57,840
to postpone this item to take

2744
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:57,785
certain 3/18/2026, I need a

2745
01:27:57,785 --> 01:27:59,721
second second do we need vote

2746
01:27:59,721 --> 01:28:02,220
or up and down anyone that

2747
01:28:02,220 --> 01:28:05,220
it's on the committee that

2748
01:28:06,460 --> 01:28:09,460
comes up. Perfect. Thank you

2749
01:28:10,631 --> 01:28:11,331
so much for the presentation.

2750
01:28:11,331 --> 01:28:14,931
We have second final many on

2751
01:28:16,471 --> 01:28:17,204
week. We have one item on

2752
01:28:17,204 --> 01:28:17,772
consent on that has not pulled

2753
01:28:17,772 --> 01:28:20,172
off. So the meeting's

2754
01:28:32,186 --> 01:28:34,186
adjourned. Thanks, everyone.