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All right. Welcome, everyone.

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We’ll get our workshop started

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Today is September 21st, and we

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have a workshop today on the

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biennium budget. So let’s just

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as a reminder, have make sure

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your mics on when you speak a

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state your name. And we’ll get

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started with staff introducing

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themselves.

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>> Good afternoon, Mayor Pro

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Tem Council community. Lisa

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Brandel, deputy city manager.

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>> Good afternoon. Kadee Skyle

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Chief Financial Officer Good to

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see you.

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>> Are you ready to begin?

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>> Yes. Okay, we’ll go ahead

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and get started. This is our

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workshop on the City Manager’s

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recommended biennium budget

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preview. And we’ll go ahead and

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get started. And so we have

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prepared an agenda here. We ar

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going to start with opening

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remarks from our City Manager,

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Lannen Pluckhahn. We are going

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to go over the budget

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presentation history, how we’ve

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gotten here to this point, a

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the status, an overview of the

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2728 biennium budget. It’s a

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preview, an overview, and and

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highlights. We’re going to go

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into some specific highlights

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of the budget. And then we are

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going to discuss revenue. The

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strategies that we’ve talked

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about a few times with you. O

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the budget and how we prepare

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it and update on the general

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fund, Fire and Street Forecas

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We’re going to talk a little

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bit about the timeline, the

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remaining timeline on the

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biennium budget, and then have

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opportunities for discussion.

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But at any time during this

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presentation, please feel free

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to ask us any questions. So

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with that, I’m going to turn it

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over to our city manager,

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Lannen Pluckhahn. To start wit

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opening remarks.

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>> All right. Thank you, Lisa.

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So I’m happy to be able to

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bring the council, the current

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state of the budget as we head

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towards October, which is our

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publication deadline leading

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into November, which would be

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the final approval of the

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budget. And as the Council may

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remember, we’ve approached thi

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budget season a little

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differently than we have in t

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past. One of the things that I

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wanted to commit to early on

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was really going back and

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taking a very close look at how

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the city used the money that we

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already had, and use that to

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frame how the budget would be

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shaped going forward. And as w

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really got into some of the

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items related to the budget, I

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know you’ve heard me use the

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term reset budget for some of

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the items that really were n

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more study than we were going

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to be able to complete leading

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in the run up to this budget.

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And so some of those decisions

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led us to being able to pause

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some ongoing expenses,

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including things like

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contributions to the city’s

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vehicle fund for equipment

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repair, and replacement for all

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of the rolling stock that we

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buy for our non public safety

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related departments. And I say

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that because I know that the

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numbers definitely look bette

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in the third year than they had

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in the past. But I just want to

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be a little bit cautious about

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that, because some of the

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decisions that we have made now

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are holding year three on the

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forecast artificially lower

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than it would be. We would

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fully anticipate that some of

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those costs and expenses will

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have to show up into the nex

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year’s budget. But compared to

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where we started with a loomi

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deficit for the coming bienniu

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that we were largely able to

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eliminate through a combination

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of ongoing expense changes and

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also some one time use of fun

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I’m pretty happy with where

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we’re sitting, and one of the

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things I just want to

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acknowledge is that, you know,

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I feel like there might be a

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little bit of budget whiplash

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going on with people having

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looked at the budget numbers

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the first time and remembering

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what we went through in 2024,

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where we ended up having to d

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staff reductions and did some

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pretty dramatic staff

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reductions to where we’re

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sitting now, where we’re not

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projecting a deficit going

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forward. And we’re actually

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able to not only continue to

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put funding towards some of the

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council’s ongoing priorities,

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but also address some of the

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ones that council has asked us

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to look at over the last coupl

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of years. So there are some

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decision points in there where

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we still need some input from

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the City Council during this

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session that will really help

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us shape the next iteration of

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the budget, and that would be

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the one that would be headed

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out towards publication on

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October 1st. And full printing

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and public consumption. So w

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that, I will turn it back ove

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to Lisa and Katie, unless you

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have any questions for me ahead

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of that.

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>> Do you have any questions?

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Okay. No questions. Let’s go

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>> Okay. Thank you. Okay. We’re

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going to start a little bit

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about the process and how we

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got to this point, going over

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the budget presentations that

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we’ve shared with you since t

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spring. Starting with today,

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we’ve had a total of four

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budget workshops starting in

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April 27th and then in July.

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24th. We do have ongoing

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structural deficit about that

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later, although it has closed

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little bit. When you saw it i

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August, the the structural

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deficit comes from deferral o

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a decade through constrained

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spending and new revenues. And

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during the April, April 27th

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workshop, we forecasted a

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deficit. And as long mentioned

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in his opening remarks, we

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decided to analyze past legac

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practices, practices. The

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structure of the budget makes

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them operational decisions and

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return in July. And then when

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we returned in July, we shared

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that we had a closure of the

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deficit for 2728, forecasted

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with use of one time funds,

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pausing a program,

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contributions, leveraging other

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funding sources, new revenue,

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and some internal operational

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decisions. And during August,

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we did some revision to the

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financial and investment

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policies, which were approved

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by council. Thank you for doing

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that. And we provided an upd

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to the budget on the work don

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to date. And today we’re going

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to preview the city manager’s

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budget with the majority of the

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status quo. Continuation of

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council priorities, opportunity

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for discussion with you and

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receive your feedback and

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preparation for the October 1st

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budget publication. So with

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that, we’re going to go into

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the overview of the 2728

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biennium budget. So with this

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budget, we have held departm

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spending patterns. In fact, we

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have scrutinized them more than

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in the past, which will have a

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downstream effect in the future

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years. We’ve made some

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operational decisions that lay

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the foundation for the city to

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continue its work and meet the

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challenges of the future. We’ve

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been strategic on the use of

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leveraging existing funding

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that’s pivoted away from

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reliance on the general fund,

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which also has a future

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downstream effect. Importantly,

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this budget continues the

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priorities of council that has

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been outlined in the strategic

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plan and also addresses other

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emerging issues such as public

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defense. We are preparing for

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the future needs that are

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PFAs and other future impacts

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such as annexation. We

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reallocated the budget where

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necessary, to fund needed

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initiatives. We redefined the

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ongoing budget from past

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practices and pivoting to new

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practice budget practices that

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allow for planning for the

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future. And so we are going t

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talk about the highlights of

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the work that’s continuing t

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be done, such as the

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comprehensive plan

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implementation, the continued

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work in homelessness support

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and outreach, public defense,

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and affordable housing. So I’

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going to share something that

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often. We often focus on what

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we’re not able to do, but not

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on the work that we’re doing

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and what is possible. So

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despite constrained resources,

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these next slides show counc

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and the community what the cit

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is continuing to do while als

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preparing for the future. We

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are increasing funding for

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public defense. We are

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proceeding with construction

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three, six and eight with

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proposition two bank capacity.

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partnership with Clark County.

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of the Bridge Shelter, which i

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study for the Performing Arts

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Center, which is in process

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right now. There are component

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remodel and specific items

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going to talk a little bit

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about organizational resilienc

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which established resources for

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the city to meet future nee

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and prepare for unforeseen

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circumstances. These next few

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slides will highlight those

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specific items under Programs

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of interest, City Council

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priority themes, and

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organizational resiliency. So

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the first slide we’re going to

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highlight the homeless program

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within the budget. The included

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in the budget is support for

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the bridge shelter, which is

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going to open this fall, as

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well as an emergency shelter

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assessment that develops a ten

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year capital improvement plan

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for all the city sites. The

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assessment will include asset

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management and future projects,

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and the heart team is growing

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in capacity due to the support

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from the Lynch Foundation,

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which is making a difference

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our community, and the Safe

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Stays and Safe Park will

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continue their operations.

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Under climate. A couple of

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items to highlight include a

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pilot of EV charging station

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for public stations and

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infrastructure implementation

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for city wide vehicles. Also,

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electronic vehicles are the

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standard for our city fleet,

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and anything different require

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an exception request. Parking

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is requesting electronic

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vehicles for their enforcement

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vehicles, and our police

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department is starting with a

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pilot for two patrol vehicles.

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Also included is a one time

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funding recommendation for

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solar installation installatio

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on the Firstenburg Community

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Center. Under equity, the

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equity goals of the

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comprehensive plan

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implementation are included.

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Continued training for city

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employees. Procurement will

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launch their five year

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Disparity study, and our

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General Services and Parks

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Department will work on Ada

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transition plan, work in

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various facilities and project

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And under community safety

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training and equipment

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resources are included for fir

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and is previously mentioned.

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The proposition two bank

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capacity will be used for fire

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station projects. Funding for

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an assessment of a regional

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fire authority is also included

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under police. In addition to

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the funding for proposition

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five, the Criminal Justice

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Grant and public Safety sales

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tax, funding for a headquarter

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land acquisition and resources

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for equipment are also include

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in additional note is that we

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will be working with both

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departments to establish an

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equipment repair and

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replacement strategy, which

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does not exist currently, much

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like we do for IT equipment,

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that funding is available when

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needed and doesn’t need to be

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requested at every biennium.

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Community safety also include

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transportation projects. These

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are. These are. This is just a

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highlight of some of the

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projects under transportation

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by no means includes all of

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them. So under the category of

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transportation, there is a

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total of 51.2 million in

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requested total projects. And

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under Transportation and

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mobility, there is a 101.100

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and 1.1 million in projects

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included in the 2728 budget.

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And under economic development

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extension of a position is

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included for continued support

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for small businesses in the

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downtown area and will also

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assist small business

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procurement, outreach and

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tracking for our procurement

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department. There’s a request

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for small business incubator

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focusing on product to market

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and construction and trade

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programs that support both hig

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growth startups and culturally

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aligned small businesses. It

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also focuses on accessing new

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markets and addressing local

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small business capital and

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support gaps in parking. The

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parking wayfinding will assist

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in improved site location

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identifiers to the community in

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downtown for parking, and the

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circulator assists with support

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for alternative mobility

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options. Under organizational

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resiliency. It refers to those

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items in the recommended budget

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that strengthen the city

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externally and internally. We

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do this by by anticipating l

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term changes in building long

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term viability. This is

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expressed in different items

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within the forthcoming

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recommended recommended budget,

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such as assessing our

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facilities in the historic

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trust and other existing

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facilities, conducting

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structural repairs in the

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officer’s row, dredging in the

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marine boat in the Marine Park

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boat launch area, replacing

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equipment in our parks,

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bringing on a professional

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investment advisor for our

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investment pool and sustaining

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our departments in parks,

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general services and finance t

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reduce leadership

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vulnerabilities. Under

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Comprehensive plan. Now that

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it’s adopted, the

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implementation work continues

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and begins at the same time.

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This includes review and

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monitoring, implementation of

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the equity goals, updating th

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park’s comprehensive plan, and

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having the staff capacity for

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key near-term goals and subarea

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planning. And these are some o

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the items relating relating t

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the work for the comp plan.

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It’s just a highlight. There

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are a few others in the

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recommended budget. Under

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boards and commissions. There

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is a point here for discussion

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with you in the recommended

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recommended budget. There is a

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recommendation for Boards and

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Commissions coordinator. The

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coordinator will will report

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the Director of Engagement an

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Access and lead the day to day

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work along with the coordinator

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There is a recommendation to

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engage for services to review

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all the boards and commissions

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as required in the Council

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policy 100 Dash six, which is

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review every four years of the

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boards and commissions under

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the leadership of the Director

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of Engagement and Access, the

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coordinator would handle this

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work. In addition to any pol

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updates, work with staff

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liaisons on annual reports,

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assist admin in scheduling,

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work with you on direction for

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board and commission

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recruitments, goals, formation

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and or dissolution, performance

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measures and other direction.

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If approved, the coordinator

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position would allow the

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director to continue her work

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for Vancouver for all engaged

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with the community and city

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employees. At this point, the

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breadth and level of the work

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of boards and commissions

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warrants a position up for

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council discussion is the

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request for an additional

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position. A youth coordinator

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that would work with the board

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and commissions. As it has bee

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stated by some counselors, the

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desire to engage with youth

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more. At this point in the

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recommended budget, a youth

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coordinator position was not

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recommended at this time due t

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trade offs that we had to make

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in the budget. If there is a

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desire for a youth coordinator,

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it would be an additional

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ongoing cost to the general

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fund of approximately 121,000

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per year. The boards and

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commissions coordinator is the

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same cost is the same annual

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ongoing cost. So I’m going to

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take a pause here and see if

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Council would like to discuss

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that. Adding a possible youth

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coordinator position on top o

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a boards and commissions

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coordinator position.

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>> All right. I’d also like us

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to open up for questions on the

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previous slides too. Sure.

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Because this is a very narro

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topic and we just went through

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20 slides before that. So why

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don’t we first see if anyone

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has any thoughts or comments

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the question before us on You

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Coordinator. Counselors.

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>> I thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.

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Long wanted this. So parting

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shots. Yes, I, I would like y

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know, we’re building a city f

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future generations. And I think

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those voices need to be

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integrated in order for them t

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be integrated fully and

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supported. Well, I think there

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needs to be something to walk

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through that somebody to walk

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through the process with them.

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So I, for one, am in support

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trying to find that funding.

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Thank you.

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>> Okay. All right. Counselor

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Perez.

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>> Thank you. I you know,

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Ridgefield has just recently

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added a youth council. The

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center now has a youth council,

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and we are a much bigger

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population with a growing youth

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population that deserves our

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attention indoors and inclusion

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into civic life. And for a very

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long time, we we have tried t

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incorporate services and

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programs that really benefit

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youth. At the end of the day,

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we need a youth council for the

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City of Vancouver, whether

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that’s coordinated by youth

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coordinator or a different typ

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of position. We need a youth

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council for the City of

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Vancouver. It’s ridiculous to

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see our surrounding

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jurisdictions that are way

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smaller in population size be

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further ahead than we are. A

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so whatever we need to do to go

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back and look at whatever

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positions we don’t want to

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narrow it to just a youth

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coordinator. But the outcome is

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we want to have an established

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youth council that we work w

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00:20:44,677 --> 00:20:47,580
>> Councilor Harless.

579
00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:49,649
>> Yeah, I would love for us to

580
00:20:49,648 --> 00:20:52,584
explore how to do that as well.

581
00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:55,121
And, you know, prioritizing the

582
00:20:55,121 --> 00:20:56,556
boards and commissions

583
00:20:56,555 --> 00:20:57,723
coordinator, obviously that

584
00:20:57,723 --> 00:20:59,792
makes sense. However, I know

585
00:20:59,792 --> 00:21:00,826
there’s also other

586
00:21:00,826 --> 00:21:02,294
opportunities. If it’s not

587
00:21:02,294 --> 00:21:03,729
somebody that is a youth

588
00:21:03,729 --> 00:21:04,530
coordinator in title, maybe

589
00:21:04,530 --> 00:21:05,865
it’s an internship with one of

590
00:21:05,865 --> 00:21:07,567
our colleges or universities

591
00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:10,602
that are in the area. You know,

592
00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:12,438
those students need internshi

593
00:21:12,438 --> 00:21:13,472
opportunities. Sometimes

594
00:21:13,472 --> 00:21:15,641
they’re at no cost or low cos

595
00:21:15,641 --> 00:21:16,809
because they’re getting credits

596
00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:18,844
through the university, and

597
00:21:18,844 --> 00:21:21,013
that could be under the boards

598
00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:22,815
and commissions coordinator,

599
00:21:22,815 --> 00:21:24,183
for example, who would oversee

600
00:21:24,183 --> 00:21:26,452
that intern. I know we do

601
00:21:26,452 --> 00:21:28,220
internships in many departments

602
00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:29,922
here, so that might be an

603
00:21:29,922 --> 00:21:32,158
opportunity there until when.

604
00:21:32,158 --> 00:21:34,327
And if we could have someone

605
00:21:34,326 --> 00:21:36,094
specifically as a youth

606
00:21:36,095 --> 00:21:40,099
coordinator. But yeah, again,

607
00:21:40,099 --> 00:21:42,234
agree with where Councilmember

608
00:21:42,234 --> 00:21:44,136
Perez was going, where it’s

609
00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:45,237
more about the outcome of a

610
00:21:45,237 --> 00:21:48,040
youth council. That is the

611
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,342
desire that I’ve heard up her

612
00:21:50,342 --> 00:21:53,445
from everybody.

613
00:21:53,445 --> 00:21:56,248
>> Any other counselor? Super.

614
00:21:56,248 --> 00:22:00,686
>> Thank you. I am I don’t

615
00:22:00,686 --> 00:22:02,354
think this is the time or p

616
00:22:02,354 --> 00:22:06,058
to debate how youth are

617
00:22:06,058 --> 00:22:08,193
integrated in, whether they’re

618
00:22:08,194 --> 00:22:09,462
integrated into existing board

619
00:22:09,461 --> 00:22:10,696
and commissions, or if it’s a

620
00:22:10,696 --> 00:22:15,401
separate youth council. I am,

621
00:22:15,401 --> 00:22:18,271
but I’m interested in seeing

622
00:22:18,270 --> 00:22:20,773
proposal more fully fleshed out

623
00:22:20,773 --> 00:22:23,643
Thank you.

624
00:22:23,642 --> 00:22:24,776
>> Any more thoughts on the

625
00:22:24,777 --> 00:22:26,545
Youth Coordinator portion of

626
00:22:26,545 --> 00:22:29,615
this question? Right now? I’d

627
00:22:29,615 --> 00:22:31,217
like to open it up for any

628
00:22:31,217 --> 00:22:32,351
thoughts or comments on the

629
00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:34,153
previous slides that █were

630
00:22:34,153 --> 00:22:35,588
discussing the overall themes

631
00:22:35,588 --> 00:22:41,294
of the manager’s budget.

632
00:22:41,293 --> 00:22:42,394
Counselor Perez.

633
00:22:42,394 --> 00:22:46,598
>> I just quickly on one of th

634
00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:49,268
slides, it says, all things

635
00:22:49,268 --> 00:22:52,104
equal, I’m trying to remember

636
00:22:52,104 --> 00:22:53,872
what slide it was. Can you jus

637
00:22:53,873 --> 00:23:02,215
elaborate what that means?

638
00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:02,948
>> Slide.

639
00:23:02,948 --> 00:23:05,451
>> Assuming all things equal,

640
00:23:05,451 --> 00:23:06,919
what.

641
00:23:06,919 --> 00:23:10,489
>> So assuming all of our

642
00:23:10,489 --> 00:23:14,059
assumptions for revenue, we

643
00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:16,929
took our our forecast very

644
00:23:16,929 --> 00:23:18,364
conservatively on the revenue

645
00:23:18,364 --> 00:23:26,038
side. So without being overtly

646
00:23:26,038 --> 00:23:27,072
aggressive on the revenue, I

647
00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:31,743
would say so revenues always

648
00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:33,112
kind of hard, especially on th

649
00:23:33,112 --> 00:23:36,716
sales tax and other items. We

650
00:23:36,715 --> 00:23:41,119
were very conservative on tha

651
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:43,255
>> So it’s just all things

652
00:23:43,255 --> 00:23:45,724
equal, like the same status q

653
00:23:45,724 --> 00:23:46,925
Is that what it means? Yes.

654
00:23:46,926 --> 00:23:49,061
Okay. Okay. All right.

655
00:23:49,061 --> 00:23:51,030
>> All right. I’d like us to go

656
00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:58,704
to slide 18. 18. Sorry. There

657
00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:02,308
you go. Well, maybe it isn’t 1

658
00:24:02,308 --> 00:24:03,876
on this presentation. It’s

659
00:24:03,876 --> 00:24:06,612
about the parks budget. Maybe

660
00:24:06,612 --> 00:24:09,448
go back one. Let’s see where w

661
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,684
are.

662
00:24:11,684 --> 00:24:12,752
>> They were kind of

663
00:24:12,751 --> 00:24:14,553
interspersed through different

664
00:24:14,553 --> 00:24:15,721
slides.

665
00:24:15,721 --> 00:24:16,889
>> Well, so my question

666
00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:18,891
revolves around, you know, the

667
00:24:18,891 --> 00:24:22,194
there’s a on one of the slide

668
00:24:22,194 --> 00:24:23,362
Maybe there it is. Yeah. Oh

669
00:24:23,362 --> 00:24:26,098
it’s 19. It’s at 18. The deputy

670
00:24:26,098 --> 00:24:27,166
director positions for Parks

671
00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:29,001
and General Services has caugh

672
00:24:29,001 --> 00:24:31,871
my attention. And one of the

673
00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:34,072
questions I have around that

674
00:24:34,073 --> 00:24:35,841
knowing that we’ve we

675
00:24:35,841 --> 00:24:37,643
definitely cut back on parks

676
00:24:37,643 --> 00:24:38,978
staff, park maintenance staff.

677
00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:41,481
You know, in our last budget,

678
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,683
to the detriment it appears

679
00:24:44,683 --> 00:24:45,884
from, you know, the comments

680
00:24:45,884 --> 00:24:46,885
we’ve received from the gener

681
00:24:46,885 --> 00:24:49,020
public on parks maintenance and

682
00:24:49,021 --> 00:24:51,156
just not having enough staff t

683
00:24:51,156 --> 00:24:52,457
to do all the things that need

684
00:24:52,458 --> 00:24:54,160
to happen. I mean, closing

685
00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:55,160
restrooms instead of cleaning

686
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,228
them and repairing them, you

687
00:24:56,228 --> 00:24:57,296
know, isn’t really a good

688
00:24:57,296 --> 00:24:59,165
solution for parks. And so I’m

689
00:24:59,164 --> 00:25:00,432
wondering how we’re addressing

690
00:25:00,432 --> 00:25:02,668
it by hiring a deputy directo

691
00:25:02,668 --> 00:25:04,470
instead of perhaps utilizing

692
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:06,305
that, that funding for more

693
00:25:06,305 --> 00:25:09,141
staffing, or maybe there is a

694
00:25:09,141 --> 00:25:10,009
staffing component that you’re

695
00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:12,445
not highlighting.

696
00:25:12,444 --> 00:25:16,348
>> I can speak directly to the

697
00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:19,284
position of the deputy directo

698
00:25:19,284 --> 00:25:22,554
So these two departments are

699
00:25:22,554 --> 00:25:24,322
the last two departments that

700
00:25:24,323 --> 00:25:26,458
don’t have a deputy director.

701
00:25:26,458 --> 00:25:30,829
And with the size of the cit

702
00:25:30,829 --> 00:25:35,100
it’s good practice to have a

703
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,636
deputy director for the size

704
00:25:37,636 --> 00:25:40,506
and the breadth of the positio

705
00:25:40,506 --> 00:25:44,110
in case of any leadership

706
00:25:44,109 --> 00:25:47,045
issues, or we want to avoid a

707
00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:48,514
points of failure because of

708
00:25:48,514 --> 00:25:50,950
the importance of these

709
00:25:50,949 --> 00:25:54,186
departments. And as far as the

710
00:25:54,186 --> 00:25:57,790
service levels and the

711
00:25:57,790 --> 00:25:59,959
regarding the Department, I’m

712
00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:02,093
going to defer that question

713
00:26:02,094 --> 00:26:03,862
Dave Perlick. I don’t know if

714
00:26:03,862 --> 00:26:07,199
he’s online. Oh, Dave. Dave’s

715
00:26:07,199 --> 00:26:08,834
here. Sorry, I didn’t see you

716
00:26:08,834 --> 00:26:11,470
Dave. I know Dave worked out a

717
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:13,639
plan on this position

718
00:26:13,639 --> 00:26:14,406
specifically.

719
00:26:14,406 --> 00:26:15,474
>> Okay.

720
00:26:15,474 --> 00:26:17,943
>> I would say my position was

721
00:26:17,943 --> 00:26:19,111
exactly your position in the

722
00:26:19,111 --> 00:26:20,446
last budget. You know, we

723
00:26:20,446 --> 00:26:22,648
focused on deploying staff at

724
00:26:22,648 --> 00:26:25,551
the level of ensuring we

725
00:26:25,551 --> 00:26:26,986
maintain as many programs and

726
00:26:26,985 --> 00:26:29,788
services as possible. I’m

727
00:26:29,788 --> 00:26:31,323
strongly in favor of this

728
00:26:31,323 --> 00:26:32,691
proposal and this budget cycle

729
00:26:32,691 --> 00:26:34,826
only speaking for parks. The

730
00:26:34,827 --> 00:26:37,096
reason being we need to have a

731
00:26:37,096 --> 00:26:38,497
future as well as sustained

732
00:26:38,497 --> 00:26:40,165
service levels. And ultimately,

733
00:26:40,165 --> 00:26:43,135
we’re talking about significant

734
00:26:43,135 --> 00:26:44,803
work in our parks comprehensive

735
00:26:44,803 --> 00:26:48,173
plan to align a proposal for

736
00:26:48,173 --> 00:26:49,675
potential long term funding.

737
00:26:49,675 --> 00:26:51,410
And we’re also talking about

738
00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:54,113
annexing up to 35 facilities

739
00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:56,115
with Clark County. And we can’t

740
00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:57,550
I don’t believe we can

741
00:26:57,549 --> 00:26:58,950
adequately plan for the future

742
00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:00,753
with our current staff

743
00:27:00,752 --> 00:27:03,321
complement, focusing primarily

744
00:27:03,322 --> 00:27:05,124
on deploying programs and

745
00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:06,525
services that we offer today.

746
00:27:06,525 --> 00:27:08,694
So I think that additional

747
00:27:08,694 --> 00:27:10,162
management position would

748
00:27:10,162 --> 00:27:13,032
primarily be focused on those

749
00:27:13,031 --> 00:27:15,133
preparing us for for annexatio

750
00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:17,370
growth and sustainable funding.

751
00:27:17,369 --> 00:27:19,104
>> Are you proposing in this

752
00:27:19,104 --> 00:27:20,539
budget cycle, additional

753
00:27:20,539 --> 00:27:24,176
maintenance staff in.

754
00:27:24,176 --> 00:27:27,046
>> Yes, you’ll see a proposal

755
00:27:27,045 --> 00:27:28,880
coming through public works

756
00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:31,384
budget that would restore

757
00:27:31,383 --> 00:27:33,518
seasonal temporary staff in

758
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:34,954
grounds maintenance. So there

759
00:27:34,953 --> 00:27:36,822
would be some there are. And

760
00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:38,590
and we’re talking about an

761
00:27:38,590 --> 00:27:41,493
additional position being moved

762
00:27:41,493 --> 00:27:44,663
to deploy that position to

763
00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:47,933
better support events and, and

764
00:27:47,933 --> 00:27:49,034
activities in the downtown area

765
00:27:49,034 --> 00:27:50,335
during the summer. So we’re

766
00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:52,270
trying to address some of tho

767
00:27:52,271 --> 00:27:55,441
major service impacts. I think

768
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,976
ultimately, we will continue t

769
00:27:57,976 --> 00:28:00,178
one step up, maybe one step or

770
00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:03,449
two step back as we move

771
00:28:03,448 --> 00:28:05,250
forward without additional

772
00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:06,318
dedicated funding. And so I

773
00:28:06,318 --> 00:28:08,253
think we want to do both. We

774
00:28:08,253 --> 00:28:09,387
want to manage our service

775
00:28:09,388 --> 00:28:10,556
levels as well as possible and

776
00:28:10,556 --> 00:28:12,491
current resources, but make

777
00:28:12,491 --> 00:28:13,892
sure we’re doing the work to

778
00:28:13,892 --> 00:28:17,462
plan for the future as well.

779
00:28:17,462 --> 00:28:18,897
>> Okay. Thanks for all of

780
00:28:18,897 --> 00:28:21,032
those responses. Something to

781
00:28:21,033 --> 00:28:23,702
think about. Any other comment

782
00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:25,671
or questions on these previous

783
00:28:25,671 --> 00:28:28,307
slides or any of the proposals

784
00:28:28,307 --> 00:28:32,545
so far? All right. Oh we do.

785
00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:33,311
Okay.

786
00:28:33,312 --> 00:28:35,815
>> Mayor Pro tem, I, I

787
00:28:35,814 --> 00:28:36,882
appreciate you bringing that up

788
00:28:36,882 --> 00:28:40,853
and, and would love to see what

789
00:28:40,852 --> 00:28:42,320
this position description

790
00:28:42,321 --> 00:28:46,692
fleshed out. Thank you.

791
00:28:46,692 --> 00:28:48,661
>> Would we be able to see the

792
00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:49,661
position descriptions of all

793
00:28:49,661 --> 00:28:50,896
these new positions being

794
00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:51,897
proposed, just to better

795
00:28:51,897 --> 00:28:52,998
understand how they align with

796
00:28:52,998 --> 00:28:54,867
the work of the city, because

797
00:28:54,866 --> 00:28:56,101
there’s multiple new positions

798
00:28:56,101 --> 00:29:01,073
being proposed with this budge

799
00:29:01,073 --> 00:29:03,542
Okay, councilor.

800
00:29:03,542 --> 00:29:05,310
>> Just one more thought as w

801
00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:08,213
talk about the organization of

802
00:29:08,213 --> 00:29:10,348
the city, the staffing and suc

803
00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:13,185
just wanting to consider how

804
00:29:13,185 --> 00:29:15,788
top heavy we are with that

805
00:29:15,787 --> 00:29:18,657
compared to staff that’s out o

806
00:29:18,657 --> 00:29:19,825
on the ground doing the work.

807
00:29:19,825 --> 00:29:22,561
So I’m curious as to what tha

808
00:29:22,561 --> 00:29:25,497
level of work looks like with

809
00:29:25,497 --> 00:29:28,367
the addition of these topper

810
00:29:28,367 --> 00:29:30,936
topper top positions, such as

811
00:29:30,936 --> 00:29:32,337
the deputy positions. Not to

812
00:29:32,337 --> 00:29:34,139
say that they’re not important

813
00:29:34,139 --> 00:29:35,941
but I want to get a better

814
00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:37,709
picture of what we’re adding

815
00:29:37,709 --> 00:29:40,278
and where we may be top heavi

816
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,516
than others, and especially in

817
00:29:43,515 --> 00:29:45,283
the different areas that we

818
00:29:45,284 --> 00:29:48,921
talk about the departments.

819
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,321
>> Okay, we can do that.

820
00:29:50,322 --> 00:29:52,457
>> Okay.

821
00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:54,726
Let’s move on. Thank

822
00:29:54,726 --> 00:29:58,997
you.

823
00:29:58,997 --> 00:30:00,432
>> Okay, so transitioning a

824
00:30:00,432 --> 00:30:02,167
little bit here. We wanted to

825
00:30:02,167 --> 00:30:03,669
provide the council with an

826
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:05,104
overview of some of the key

827
00:30:05,103 --> 00:30:06,504
revenue items in the

828
00:30:06,505 --> 00:30:09,775
recommended budget. And as you

829
00:30:09,775 --> 00:30:11,277
know, we have a new combinati

830
00:30:11,276 --> 00:30:12,410
of public safety funding that

831
00:30:12,411 --> 00:30:13,746
is helping support this

832
00:30:13,745 --> 00:30:16,047
priority area. The public

833
00:30:16,048 --> 00:30:17,716
safety sales tax is going to go

834
00:30:17,716 --> 00:30:19,618
into effect next year, raising

835
00:30:19,618 --> 00:30:23,822
about 5.6 million in 2027 and

836
00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:25,657
7,000,000 in 2028. This is

837
00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:27,025
planned to support 16 new

838
00:30:27,025 --> 00:30:28,894
police positions, providing

839
00:30:28,894 --> 00:30:30,329
ongoing operational support for

840
00:30:30,329 --> 00:30:31,730
the real time Information

841
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:33,165
Center, as well as an increas

842
00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:36,101
in support for public defense.

843
00:30:36,101 --> 00:30:38,570
The related HB 2015 grant

844
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:39,671
funding is going to help

845
00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:40,839
support some of these position

846
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,708
costs for a period of time as

847
00:30:42,708 --> 00:30:43,943
well, and help fund one time

848
00:30:43,942 --> 00:30:45,410
costs associated with

849
00:30:45,410 --> 00:30:46,478
additional staff like equipment

850
00:30:46,478 --> 00:30:48,313
and vehicles, as well as some

851
00:30:48,313 --> 00:30:49,347
of the infrastructure costs

852
00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:50,816
associated with that real time

853
00:30:50,816 --> 00:30:52,985
information center. And as you

854
00:30:52,984 --> 00:30:54,419
know, prop five revenues are

855
00:30:54,419 --> 00:30:56,221
supporting those 13 police

856
00:30:56,221 --> 00:30:57,622
positions. One city prosecutor

857
00:30:57,622 --> 00:31:00,992
and a legal assistant. There

858
00:31:00,992 --> 00:31:02,727
are also two revenue items tha

859
00:31:02,728 --> 00:31:04,096
we wanted to make sure to

860
00:31:04,096 --> 00:31:05,197
highlight for council

861
00:31:05,197 --> 00:31:08,200
discussion. The first of those

862
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,868
is the inclusion of revenues

863
00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:14,239
from HB 2442, which is a 0.01%

864
00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:16,007
local sales tax dedicated to

865
00:31:16,007 --> 00:31:17,775
supporting children and family

866
00:31:17,776 --> 00:31:20,012
services. The recommended

867
00:31:20,011 --> 00:31:21,713
budget assumes some new revenue

868
00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:23,248
from this potential sales tax,

869
00:31:23,248 --> 00:31:25,417
but that new revenue starts in

870
00:31:25,417 --> 00:31:30,322
2028. The plan is to come back

871
00:31:30,322 --> 00:31:31,423
and discuss this further with

872
00:31:31,423 --> 00:31:32,557
council during the year, to se

873
00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:34,392
if that is something that you

874
00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:35,394
all are interested in

875
00:31:35,394 --> 00:31:36,562
implementing. The current

876
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:37,328
recommendation, assuming that

877
00:31:37,329 --> 00:31:38,664
there is support, would be to

878
00:31:38,663 --> 00:31:40,465
offset the current Justice

879
00:31:40,465 --> 00:31:41,900
Center Children’s Justice

880
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:43,368
Center expenses with that new

881
00:31:43,368 --> 00:31:46,271
tax at about $1.7 million in

882
00:31:46,271 --> 00:31:49,141
2028, that would leave about

883
00:31:49,141 --> 00:31:50,175
$5.5 million in remaining

884
00:31:50,175 --> 00:31:51,343
resources to be programed based

885
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:54,880
off of council direction. And

886
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,948
I’ll go ahead and talk about

887
00:31:55,947 --> 00:31:58,149
the second revenue item here

888
00:31:58,150 --> 00:31:59,251
for council discussion, and

889
00:31:59,251 --> 00:32:01,019
then pause there for for

890
00:32:01,019 --> 00:32:03,321
discussion. So the other chang

891
00:32:03,321 --> 00:32:04,322
to highlight for council

892
00:32:04,322 --> 00:32:05,356
discussion on revenue is the

893
00:32:05,357 --> 00:32:06,491
change in the utility tax,

894
00:32:06,491 --> 00:32:10,729
going from 28.9% to 28.99%.

895
00:32:10,729 --> 00:32:12,197
This change is expected to

896
00:32:12,197 --> 00:32:14,700
increase revenues by about

897
00:32:14,699 --> 00:32:16,901
$210,000 per year. The city

898
00:32:16,902 --> 00:32:18,303
manager is recommending to us

899
00:32:18,303 --> 00:32:20,872
these resources to fund a 1.0

900
00:32:20,872 --> 00:32:22,607
FTE that will help support the

901
00:32:22,607 --> 00:32:24,442
Climate Action Framework and

902
00:32:24,443 --> 00:32:25,544
generally help advance the

903
00:32:25,544 --> 00:32:27,646
city’s climate goals. So I wil

904
00:32:27,646 --> 00:32:29,748
pause there and see if there i

905
00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:30,849
any council discussion on those

906
00:32:30,849 --> 00:32:32,351
two items.

907
00:32:32,350 --> 00:32:34,152
>> All right. Do we have any

908
00:32:34,152 --> 00:32:35,353
thoughts that we’d like to

909
00:32:35,353 --> 00:32:36,454
share at this point? Okay.

910
00:32:36,455 --> 00:32:38,157
Council Member Stover.

911
00:32:38,156 --> 00:32:39,557
>> Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem,

912
00:32:39,558 --> 00:32:44,930
thank you for this discussion.

913
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:47,466
Talk to me. How about how

914
00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:48,867
conservatively we’re

915
00:32:48,867 --> 00:32:50,335
forecasting this public safet

916
00:32:50,335 --> 00:32:56,474
sales tax.

917
00:32:56,475 --> 00:32:59,411
>> I would say that for 2027

918
00:32:59,411 --> 00:33:02,214
fairly conservatively, we are

919
00:33:02,214 --> 00:33:03,649
only counting on ten months of

920
00:33:03,648 --> 00:33:05,517
revenue in 2027, knowing that

921
00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:06,952
we have a kind of a two month

922
00:33:06,952 --> 00:33:08,754
lag before those revenues are

923
00:33:08,753 --> 00:33:09,988
to come in. So I think we’re

924
00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:11,189
feeling fairly confident about

925
00:33:11,189 --> 00:33:12,657
about the revenue projections.

926
00:33:12,657 --> 00:33:16,227
>> Are we putting in the

927
00:33:16,228 --> 00:33:20,265
possibility of a recession int

928
00:33:20,265 --> 00:33:22,701
those forecasts?

929
00:33:22,701 --> 00:33:24,136
>> What I would say is that

930
00:33:24,135 --> 00:33:26,638
right now, what we are looki

931
00:33:26,638 --> 00:33:29,207
at is not the finalized city

932
00:33:29,207 --> 00:33:30,275
manager’s budget, right? So

933
00:33:30,275 --> 00:33:31,376
we’re not necessarily looking

934
00:33:31,376 --> 00:33:33,211
at this from the perspective of

935
00:33:33,211 --> 00:33:34,379
exactly what all this public

936
00:33:34,379 --> 00:33:35,947
safety sales tax is going to

937
00:33:35,947 --> 00:33:37,115
fund. Like it’s not all

938
00:33:37,115 --> 00:33:38,183
finalized. And definitely

939
00:33:38,183 --> 00:33:39,184
something that we’ve been

940
00:33:39,184 --> 00:33:41,086
talking about is making sure

941
00:33:41,086 --> 00:33:43,355
that from an ongoing revenue

942
00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:44,690
and ongoing perspective,

943
00:33:44,689 --> 00:33:45,790
ongoing expense perspective,

944
00:33:45,790 --> 00:33:46,591
that we’re not kind of like

945
00:33:46,591 --> 00:33:48,359
fully capping ourselves out in

946
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,728
year one, right? So we’re not

947
00:33:49,728 --> 00:33:53,765
looking at $7 million of, of

948
00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:55,834
revenue in year one and taking

949
00:33:55,834 --> 00:33:58,770
that all the way out in with

950
00:33:58,770 --> 00:33:59,471
expenses.

951
00:33:59,471 --> 00:34:04,543
>> Okay. So I live with the

952
00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:06,678
anxiety that we are way past

953
00:34:06,678 --> 00:34:10,282
due for an of a recession and

954
00:34:10,282 --> 00:34:12,384
that inflation pressures are

955
00:34:12,384 --> 00:34:14,586
not abating right now. And tha

956
00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:16,354
that’s going to have it’s we’

957
00:34:16,354 --> 00:34:17,755
already seeing the effects of

958
00:34:17,756 --> 00:34:21,760
that in consumer spending. So

959
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:28,233
guess it’s great that you’re.

960
00:34:28,233 --> 00:34:31,870
You’ve got this additional

961
00:34:31,870 --> 00:34:34,740
capacity for other programing.

962
00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:38,643
And I hope that this council

963
00:34:38,643 --> 00:34:45,250
future councils will not budge

964
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:47,886
that money out of forecasts,

965
00:34:47,886 --> 00:34:50,188
but will wait until that mon

966
00:34:50,188 --> 00:34:53,758
is actually in the accounts

967
00:34:53,758 --> 00:34:57,061
before any spending is propose

968
00:34:57,062 --> 00:35:00,265
Because I just I don’t trust

969
00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:06,037
the economy. To rely on sal

970
00:35:06,037 --> 00:35:11,109
tax. Thank you.

971
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:12,143
>> Councilor Schober. If I

972
00:35:12,143 --> 00:35:13,378
could, I could address that a

973
00:35:13,378 --> 00:35:15,180
little bit too, because one of

974
00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:17,115
the things with the way that we

975
00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:18,316
have put the budget together is

976
00:35:18,316 --> 00:35:20,151
that we know that in future

977
00:35:20,151 --> 00:35:21,252
years that the expenses of the

978
00:35:21,252 --> 00:35:22,353
police officers that we hire

979
00:35:22,354 --> 00:35:24,356
will catch up to the available

980
00:35:24,356 --> 00:35:26,191
resources. So we focused on

981
00:35:26,191 --> 00:35:27,626
anything in the early years

982
00:35:27,626 --> 00:35:29,428
that would use kind of that

983
00:35:29,427 --> 00:35:30,862
margin is all things like one

984
00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:32,664
time expenses or capital

985
00:35:32,664 --> 00:35:34,099
expenses, much like we did wit

986
00:35:34,099 --> 00:35:35,567
proposition two, where we used

987
00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:37,369
the early years to fund

988
00:35:37,369 --> 00:35:38,937
improvements to fire stations

989
00:35:38,937 --> 00:35:40,605
and things like that. So tha

990
00:35:40,605 --> 00:35:42,540
gives us a buffer because in

991
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:44,142
the event that we don’t see

992
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,377
those revenues materialize, w

993
00:35:45,377 --> 00:35:47,279
can pull back on some of tho

994
00:35:47,278 --> 00:35:48,579
capital expenses to make sure

995
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:51,016
that we don’t overextend

996
00:35:51,016 --> 00:35:52,084
ourselves. And with the way

997
00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:53,918
that we have things distribut

998
00:35:53,918 --> 00:35:55,753
it’s not linear where

999
00:35:55,754 --> 00:35:56,922
everything shows up in year one

1000
00:35:56,921 --> 00:35:58,623
So if revenues don’t

1001
00:35:58,623 --> 00:36:00,024
materialize or in your in your

1002
00:36:00,025 --> 00:36:01,827
sort of material, excuse me,

1003
00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:03,328
revenues don’t materialize in

1004
00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:05,096
year one. Items that are that

1005
00:36:05,096 --> 00:36:06,864
are anticipated for year two.

1006
00:36:06,865 --> 00:36:08,333
Maybe some of those positions

1007
00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:11,169
just don’t get created. We als

1008
00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:13,371
then built buffers into the way

1009
00:36:13,371 --> 00:36:15,206
that we are anticipating

1010
00:36:15,206 --> 00:36:17,308
positions to show up in futur

1011
00:36:17,308 --> 00:36:18,743
years. Typically, in the past,

1012
00:36:18,743 --> 00:36:19,911
when we put something in, there

1013
00:36:19,911 --> 00:36:22,613
was an assumption made that new position would always

1014
00:36:22,614 --> 00:36:24,850
start on January 1st. And so

1015
00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:26,384
was fully loaded for a full

1016
00:36:26,384 --> 00:36:27,886
year. And we have scaled those

1017
00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:29,521
back for nine months as well,

1018
00:36:29,521 --> 00:36:31,089
just to make sure that as we g

1019
00:36:31,089 --> 00:36:32,891
through some of these, we hav

1020
00:36:32,891 --> 00:36:34,059
some lead time before some of

1021
00:36:34,059 --> 00:36:35,694
those decisions would actually

1022
00:36:35,694 --> 00:36:37,863
be implemented. It gives us the

1023
00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:38,996
ability to pull some of those

1024
00:36:38,997 --> 00:36:40,832
levers back. In the event the

1025
00:36:40,832 --> 00:36:43,668
economy turns down.

1026
00:36:43,668 --> 00:36:44,802
>> One other thing that I

1027
00:36:44,803 --> 00:36:46,772
wanted to share on that is tha

1028
00:36:46,771 --> 00:36:47,872
we’ve heard that there’s an

1029
00:36:47,872 --> 00:36:48,940
interest in council in more

1030
00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:50,742
regular updates on that, and s

1031
00:36:50,742 --> 00:36:51,910
we are intending to come back

1032
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:52,878
periodically and provide

1033
00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:54,679
updates to the Council on sort

1034
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:55,847
of the public safety, sales tax

1035
00:36:55,847 --> 00:36:56,915
and spending on that. So

1036
00:36:56,915 --> 00:36:58,683
hopefully we’ll be back before

1037
00:36:58,683 --> 00:36:59,784
you too long before with an

1038
00:36:59,784 --> 00:37:00,785
update on that.

1039
00:37:00,785 --> 00:37:01,986
>> I’d like some clarification

1040
00:37:01,986 --> 00:37:03,054
on this particular slide. When

1041
00:37:03,054 --> 00:37:06,291
I read it the first time, I was

1042
00:37:06,291 --> 00:37:08,059
assuming that these are three

1043
00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:10,595
different taxes. Is that

1044
00:37:10,595 --> 00:37:12,764
correct? Yes. Okay. So this

1045
00:37:12,764 --> 00:37:15,300
House Bill two 4042 is an

1046
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:17,469
additional 0.01 that we’re

1047
00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:18,503
discussing. Okay.

1048
00:37:18,503 --> 00:37:20,005
>> And so if.

1049
00:37:20,004 --> 00:37:22,473
>> You said program for 2028 a

1050
00:37:22,474 --> 00:37:24,676
if it’s already been accepted

1051
00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:25,710
and move forward.

1052
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:27,345
>> Let me drill down on that

1053
00:37:27,345 --> 00:37:28,646
for you a little bit. So the

1054
00:37:28,646 --> 00:37:30,348
way that the city manager’s

1055
00:37:30,348 --> 00:37:31,482
recommended budget looks like

1056
00:37:31,483 --> 00:37:32,918
right now is that there is a

1057
00:37:32,917 --> 00:37:35,787
small amount of revenue assum

1058
00:37:35,787 --> 00:37:37,689
in 2028 associated with this

1059
00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:41,993
new sales tax. It’s about $1.

1060
00:37:41,993 --> 00:37:43,695
million. And it’s offsetting

1061
00:37:43,695 --> 00:37:45,463
the Children’s Justice Center

1062
00:37:45,463 --> 00:37:47,966
expenses. If that sales tax

1063
00:37:47,966 --> 00:37:49,134
were to move forward, there

1064
00:37:49,134 --> 00:37:51,703
would be an additional $5.5

1065
00:37:51,703 --> 00:37:54,139
million in capacity to be spe

1066
00:37:54,139 --> 00:37:56,441
at council direction. What I

1067
00:37:56,441 --> 00:37:58,143
was trying to to suggest

1068
00:37:58,143 --> 00:37:59,878
earlier is that part of the

1069
00:37:59,878 --> 00:38:01,713
plan would be to come back to

1070
00:38:01,713 --> 00:38:02,747
council and have that

1071
00:38:02,747 --> 00:38:03,848
conversation of, does that make

1072
00:38:03,848 --> 00:38:05,583
sense? Is there interest in

1073
00:38:05,583 --> 00:38:07,118
implementing that, that sales

1074
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:08,386
tax? And if not, there would be

1075
00:38:08,386 --> 00:38:10,255
plenty of time to to address

1076
00:38:10,255 --> 00:38:11,423
that in the budget and shift

1077
00:38:11,422 --> 00:38:13,557
those resources elsewhere.

1078
00:38:13,558 --> 00:38:15,660
>> What I what jumps out at m

1079
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,263
as is the idea of, of

1080
00:38:18,263 --> 00:38:19,331
offsetting the Children’s

1081
00:38:19,330 --> 00:38:20,832
Justice Center costs with a

1082
00:38:20,832 --> 00:38:25,470
with this tax, the volatility

1083
00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:26,604
of, again, kind of going back

1084
00:38:26,604 --> 00:38:28,673
to a sales tax versus using our

1085
00:38:28,673 --> 00:38:30,842
our budget that’s been budge

1086
00:38:30,842 --> 00:38:33,712
for years as a staple stable

1087
00:38:33,711 --> 00:38:35,513
income or contribution to the

1088
00:38:35,513 --> 00:38:36,314
Children’s Justice Center as

1089
00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:39,150
our contribution. The county

1090
00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:40,952
has a contribution. We have a

1091
00:38:40,952 --> 00:38:43,555
contribution. And I have been

1092
00:38:43,555 --> 00:38:45,657
part of discussions, budget

1093
00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:46,658
discussions with the Children’s

1094
00:38:46,658 --> 00:38:48,160
Justice Center as the council

1095
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:49,594
representative for now, 2 or 3

1096
00:38:49,594 --> 00:38:51,763
years now, trying to remember.

1097
00:38:51,763 --> 00:38:55,367
But what they don’t need to

1098
00:38:55,366 --> 00:38:57,869
hear is that we suddenly hav

1099
00:38:57,869 --> 00:39:01,072
less funding to support. So

1100
00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:03,608
this seems to me as if we’d b

1101
00:39:03,608 --> 00:39:09,013
moving away from being a a

1102
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:11,182
consistent and trusted partner

1103
00:39:11,182 --> 00:39:13,785
with a fund that suddenly dro

1104
00:39:13,785 --> 00:39:15,854
because of recession or other

1105
00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:18,023
reasons. And so I’m, I’m

1106
00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:19,423
concerned about this particula

1107
00:39:19,424 --> 00:39:23,428
proposal. If it was not

1108
00:39:23,428 --> 00:39:24,663
offsetting and it was saying

1109
00:39:24,662 --> 00:39:26,697
that we are actually providing

1110
00:39:26,698 --> 00:39:28,099
additional funds for other

1111
00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:29,634
capacity to the program that

1112
00:39:29,634 --> 00:39:34,305
I’m interested in hearing. O

1113
00:39:34,305 --> 00:39:36,040
we have thoughts. Councilmember

1114
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,175
Harless.

1115
00:39:38,176 --> 00:39:40,412
>> On this same conversation

1116
00:39:40,411 --> 00:39:42,880
about the sales tax. I’d like

1117
00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:44,583
to see that it could even be

1118
00:39:44,582 --> 00:39:46,818
used for this. You know,

1119
00:39:46,818 --> 00:39:49,020
reading what was passed by the

1120
00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:50,154
legislature, it looks like it’s

1121
00:39:50,154 --> 00:39:52,590
more for assisting children

1122
00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:55,460
with child care, other support

1123
00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:56,928
services, after school

1124
00:39:56,928 --> 00:39:59,063
programing, workforce capacity

1125
00:39:59,063 --> 00:40:00,865
building, shelter and rental

1126
00:40:00,865 --> 00:40:03,034
assistance and transportation.

1127
00:40:03,034 --> 00:40:05,770
That doesn’t ring children, you

1128
00:40:05,770 --> 00:40:07,005
know, supporting the children’

1129
00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:08,039
justice centers. It might not

1130
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,008
even be. I’d like to see that

1131
00:40:10,008 --> 00:40:11,142
it actually can be used for

1132
00:40:11,142 --> 00:40:13,111
that, if that’s even how we

1133
00:40:13,111 --> 00:40:17,082
even move forward.

1134
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:18,282
>> Sure. We can get you an

1135
00:40:18,283 --> 00:40:19,251
analysis on that.

1136
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:20,051
>> Okay.

1137
00:40:20,051 --> 00:40:24,622
>> All right.

1138
00:40:24,622 --> 00:40:30,161
>> I’m not in favor of. HB 244

1139
00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:32,563
at this time, basically,

1140
00:40:32,563 --> 00:40:33,998
because the financial burden

1141
00:40:33,998 --> 00:40:35,766
already on our our residents

1142
00:40:35,767 --> 00:40:37,936
who are struggling to make end

1143
00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:40,439
meet at this point, just to

1144
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:42,307
meet their basic needs, in

1145
00:40:42,307 --> 00:40:43,375
particular, seniors and people

1146
00:40:43,374 --> 00:40:44,775
with disabilities and those who

1147
00:40:44,776 --> 00:40:46,645
live on a fixed income. And

1148
00:40:46,644 --> 00:40:49,113
there doesn’t seem to be any

1149
00:40:49,113 --> 00:40:52,383
protections in place for this.

1150
00:40:52,383 --> 00:40:55,353
So at this point in time, giv

1151
00:40:55,353 --> 00:40:57,755
all the other taxes being added

1152
00:40:57,755 --> 00:40:59,957
not just here locally, I

1153
00:40:59,958 --> 00:41:03,528
believe that this is not for u

1154
00:41:03,528 --> 00:41:04,662
just to decide to add on

1155
00:41:04,662 --> 00:41:07,465
another tax at this point.

1156
00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:09,233
>> All right. So at this point,

1157
00:41:09,233 --> 00:41:12,870
just to ask council for, I

1158
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:15,406
guess, a thumbs up if we have

1159
00:41:15,406 --> 00:41:16,874
majority to even move forward

1160
00:41:16,874 --> 00:41:17,975
with staff bringing us back

1161
00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:19,377
more information on this or no

1162
00:41:19,377 --> 00:41:20,211
because that’s what staff’s

1163
00:41:20,211 --> 00:41:22,980
looking for today. So maybe

1164
00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:24,549
just I’m going to look to this

1165
00:41:24,549 --> 00:41:27,252
side and see we have two three

1166
00:41:27,251 --> 00:41:29,520
Okay. So we do have a majorit

1167
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,654
to bring back more information

1168
00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:31,923
on this particular item. But

1169
00:41:31,923 --> 00:41:33,358
you’ve heard some of the

1170
00:41:33,358 --> 00:41:34,492
concerns that have been raised

1171
00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:37,362
for sure. Let’s talk about the

1172
00:41:37,362 --> 00:41:39,164
increase to the utility tax. Do

1173
00:41:39,163 --> 00:41:40,931
we have all the information we

1174
00:41:40,932 --> 00:41:43,134
need to ask staff to bring bac

1175
00:41:43,134 --> 00:41:47,472
more information or or not?

1176
00:41:47,472 --> 00:41:48,506
>> I’d like.

1177
00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,308
>> I’d like more information.

1178
00:41:50,308 --> 00:41:51,376
>> I would like more

1179
00:41:51,376 --> 00:41:52,878
information, please.

1180
00:41:52,877 --> 00:41:54,645
>> All right. So we have a

1181
00:41:54,645 --> 00:41:55,713
majority of bring us back some

1182
00:41:55,713 --> 00:41:57,348
more information on the utility

1183
00:41:57,348 --> 00:42:00,818
tax counselors. Do we have som

1184
00:42:00,818 --> 00:42:02,553
more clarifying questions so

1185
00:42:02,553 --> 00:42:04,388
that staff knows what questions

1186
00:42:04,389 --> 00:42:05,790
and information they should be

1187
00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:07,225
bringing back? I have some

1188
00:42:07,225 --> 00:42:08,860
ideas myself, but go ahead,

1189
00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:09,728
Councilor Stober.

1190
00:42:09,727 --> 00:42:12,630
>> Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem.

1191
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:14,465
Typically when we talk about

1192
00:42:14,465 --> 00:42:18,102
utility tax, there’s a there

1193
00:42:18,102 --> 00:42:21,639
are graphs brought to us that

1194
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,842
show where we stack up versus

1195
00:42:24,842 --> 00:42:27,411
our surrounding communities.

1196
00:42:27,412 --> 00:42:30,282
Around us, other target

1197
00:42:30,281 --> 00:42:31,716
communities. When it comes to

1198
00:42:31,716 --> 00:42:34,252
our utility rates. So

1199
00:42:34,252 --> 00:42:36,354
definitely want to understand

1200
00:42:36,354 --> 00:42:40,692
the impact of this within th

1201
00:42:40,691 --> 00:42:42,860
context.

1202
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:46,130
>> Okay. Anything else? All

1203
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:46,931
right. Let’s move on to the

1204
00:42:46,931 --> 00:42:51,569
next slide.

1205
00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:52,970
>> All right. So in previous

1206
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:54,038
work sessions, you all have

1207
00:42:54,038 --> 00:42:54,772
discussed some of the

1208
00:42:54,772 --> 00:42:56,574
strategies that city staff are

1209
00:42:56,574 --> 00:42:57,675
deploying to help manage the

1210
00:42:57,675 --> 00:42:59,110
structural operating deficit,

1211
00:42:59,110 --> 00:43:00,612
to kind of reexamine and shore

1212
00:43:00,611 --> 00:43:02,313
up our financial practices and,

1213
00:43:02,313 --> 00:43:03,447
and still really try to make

1214
00:43:03,448 --> 00:43:04,516
progress in council and

1215
00:43:04,515 --> 00:43:05,449
community priorities in the

1216
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:07,352
coming biennium. We’re going to

1217
00:43:07,351 --> 00:43:08,786
touch on several of these ite

1218
00:43:08,786 --> 00:43:10,921
again before moving into a

1219
00:43:10,922 --> 00:43:13,825
forecast update. So you have

1220
00:43:13,825 --> 00:43:15,160
seen this table before. So I

1221
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:16,360
won’t go into each of these

1222
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,829
items listed here. But these

1223
00:43:18,830 --> 00:43:20,465
actions taken in some represe

1224
00:43:20,465 --> 00:43:22,467
the city’s efforts to really

1225
00:43:22,467 --> 00:43:23,935
analyze opportunities, both one

1226
00:43:23,935 --> 00:43:26,438
time and ongoing to direct the

1227
00:43:26,437 --> 00:43:28,105
funds that we have available to

1228
00:43:28,106 --> 00:43:29,274
us to their highest and best

1229
00:43:29,273 --> 00:43:31,108
use, to make sure our financial

1230
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:32,177
planning is really grounded in

1231
00:43:32,176 --> 00:43:33,611
reality and to help solve the

1232
00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:35,413
budget gap that’s before us.

1233
00:43:35,413 --> 00:43:37,215
That’s been a common theme tha

1234
00:43:37,215 --> 00:43:38,516
you heard throughout the sprin

1235
00:43:38,516 --> 00:43:39,684
and one that you’re going to

1236
00:43:39,684 --> 00:43:43,688
hear going forward as well.

1237
00:43:43,688 --> 00:43:44,789
These are a series of

1238
00:43:44,789 --> 00:43:45,990
additional strategies that are

1239
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:48,359
being employed during the 272

1240
00:43:48,359 --> 00:43:50,161
budget development process.

1241
00:43:50,161 --> 00:43:51,663
What these strategies point to

1242
00:43:51,662 --> 00:43:54,498
is, is a holistic and really

1243
00:43:54,499 --> 00:43:56,301
cautious approach to the next

1244
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:58,803
biennium. The city is

1245
00:43:58,803 --> 00:44:00,238
undertaking work to review our

1246
00:44:00,238 --> 00:44:01,673
legacy financial practices. As

1247
00:44:01,672 --> 00:44:04,275
Lon mentioned, for example,

1248
00:44:04,275 --> 00:44:05,643
that work is going to continue

1249
00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,111
going forward. It’s ongoing.

1250
00:44:07,111 --> 00:44:08,913
We’ve got planned updates to

1251
00:44:08,913 --> 00:44:11,115
various cost recovery practic

1252
00:44:11,115 --> 00:44:12,583
and efforts underway to impro

1253
00:44:12,583 --> 00:44:13,951
our planning for future

1254
00:44:13,951 --> 00:44:15,419
equipment replacement, as Lisa

1255
00:44:15,419 --> 00:44:19,390
mentioned. Overarchingly, this

1256
00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:20,825
budget takes a disciplined

1257
00:44:20,825 --> 00:44:22,226
approach to approving new

1258
00:44:22,226 --> 00:44:24,428
budget requests and is really

1259
00:44:24,428 --> 00:44:26,196
asking departments to assess

1260
00:44:26,197 --> 00:44:28,032
their existing capacity and

1261
00:44:28,032 --> 00:44:29,400
demonstrate their needs before

1262
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,569
new resources are approved. And

1263
00:44:31,569 --> 00:44:32,970
that, more than anything, has

1264
00:44:32,970 --> 00:44:34,505
led to an overall tightening of

1265
00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:35,940
department budgets in a very

1266
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:37,208
intentional and strategic way.

1267
00:44:37,208 --> 00:44:39,911
Going into this biennium, we’re

1268
00:44:39,911 --> 00:44:41,346
going to be working on improve

1269
00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:42,146
performance management and

1270
00:44:42,146 --> 00:44:43,881
budget monitoring going forward

1271
00:44:43,881 --> 00:44:45,449
and to that end, we’ll be doin

1272
00:44:45,449 --> 00:44:46,951
a year end review with

1273
00:44:46,951 --> 00:44:48,019
directors on their budgets to

1274
00:44:48,019 --> 00:44:49,220
look at trends, kind of trying

1275
00:44:49,220 --> 00:44:50,955
to see where are we

1276
00:44:50,955 --> 00:44:52,490
overspending in areas where we

1277
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:53,624
underspending and discuss how

1278
00:44:53,624 --> 00:44:54,625
that’s going to affect our

1279
00:44:54,625 --> 00:44:57,161
future planning going forward.

1280
00:44:57,161 --> 00:44:59,163
Our aim with all of this is

1281
00:44:59,163 --> 00:45:00,364
preserve the capacity of the

1282
00:45:00,364 --> 00:45:02,299
general fund and to, as we’re

1283
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:03,601
looking forward, evaluate

1284
00:45:03,601 --> 00:45:05,403
multiple options to move work

1285
00:45:05,403 --> 00:45:07,238
forward, both from a funding

1286
00:45:07,238 --> 00:45:08,206
perspective and from an

1287
00:45:08,206 --> 00:45:10,108
operational perspective. We

1288
00:45:10,107 --> 00:45:11,275
certainly have more work to do.

1289
00:45:11,275 --> 00:45:13,010
The city is still facing an

1290
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:14,845
operating deficit, but these

1291
00:45:14,845 --> 00:45:15,879
efforts have helped balance

1292
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,315
this biennium budget and

1293
00:45:17,315 --> 00:45:18,416
improve the financial outlook

1294
00:45:18,416 --> 00:45:19,651
somewhat, as this approach kin

1295
00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:20,918
of ripples through the future

1296
00:45:20,918 --> 00:45:22,520
years of the forecast. And and

1297
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,689
what I mean by that is that our efforts to bend down the

1298
00:45:25,690 --> 00:45:27,592
cost curve now are compounding

1299
00:45:27,592 --> 00:45:28,827
in the out years of the

1300
00:45:28,826 --> 00:45:31,028
forecast. But as you heard

1301
00:45:31,028 --> 00:45:32,196
earlier, we know that we might

1302
00:45:32,196 --> 00:45:33,564
see some revisions to those

1303
00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:35,099
expenses in the future as we

1304
00:45:35,099 --> 00:45:36,901
kind of further this analysis

1305
00:45:36,901 --> 00:45:38,169
and kind of shore up our

1306
00:45:38,169 --> 00:45:39,637
financial practices. So we know

1307
00:45:39,637 --> 00:45:41,372
that we’ll see updates going

1308
00:45:41,372 --> 00:45:45,042
forward. So with that in mind,

1309
00:45:45,042 --> 00:45:46,810
I’ll provide an update on where

1310
00:45:46,811 --> 00:45:48,246
things are at with the general

1311
00:45:48,246 --> 00:45:51,883
fund, Street fire forecast i

1312
00:45:51,882 --> 00:45:53,317
July and August. We shared with

1313
00:45:53,317 --> 00:45:55,886
you this slide showing a small

1314
00:45:55,886 --> 00:45:57,921
surplus in 2027. That’s kind

1315
00:45:57,922 --> 00:45:59,123
kind of quickly overcome by t

1316
00:45:59,123 --> 00:46:00,925
year over year impacts of the

1317
00:46:00,925 --> 00:46:01,659
city’s structural operating

1318
00:46:01,659 --> 00:46:03,861
deficit. So you see that $5.5

1319
00:46:03,861 --> 00:46:04,929
million surplus kind of being

1320
00:46:04,929 --> 00:46:06,764
eaten away over time. And then

1321
00:46:06,764 --> 00:46:08,633
by 29 through 32, the total

1322
00:46:08,633 --> 00:46:10,602
value of that operating deficit

1323
00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:12,703
was estimated at a little over

1324
00:46:12,703 --> 00:46:17,074
$100 million. This forecast

1325
00:46:17,074 --> 00:46:18,142
slide has been updated to

1326
00:46:18,142 --> 00:46:19,944
reflect the city manager’s

1327
00:46:19,944 --> 00:46:21,012
recommended recommended budget.

1328
00:46:21,012 --> 00:46:22,780
And so we’re showing ongoing

1329
00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:24,248
revenues and ongoing

1330
00:46:24,248 --> 00:46:25,349
expenditures over the next six

1331
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:26,684
years. And so we’re kind of

1332
00:46:26,684 --> 00:46:28,586
shifting from this forecasted

1333
00:46:28,586 --> 00:46:29,654
assumptions. And as Lisa

1334
00:46:29,654 --> 00:46:30,321
mentioned, our forecasted

1335
00:46:30,321 --> 00:46:31,389
assumptions are very

1336
00:46:31,389 --> 00:46:32,423
conservative to what is

1337
00:46:32,423 --> 00:46:34,325
actually the budget system kin

1338
00:46:34,325 --> 00:46:37,495
of carried forward over time.

1339
00:46:37,495 --> 00:46:39,330
The updated chart shows that

1340
00:46:39,330 --> 00:46:41,132
the city is essentially

1341
00:46:41,132 --> 00:46:43,601
balanced in 27 and 28, with th

1342
00:46:43,601 --> 00:46:45,403
structural operating deficit

1343
00:46:45,403 --> 00:46:46,504
arising again, kind of in the

1344
00:46:46,504 --> 00:46:48,306
latter years of the forecast,

1345
00:46:48,306 --> 00:46:49,741
that total estimated deficit

1346
00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:51,508
across those years is just

1347
00:46:51,509 --> 00:46:54,779
about $62 million. So that you

1348
00:46:54,779 --> 00:46:56,447
can see, you know, compared to

1349
00:46:56,447 --> 00:46:58,716
the prior forecast update, tha

1350
00:46:58,716 --> 00:46:59,784
that revenue picture really

1351
00:46:59,784 --> 00:47:02,320
hasn’t changed much. The more

1352
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,354
significant driver of the

1353
00:47:03,354 --> 00:47:04,488
change in the forecasted

1354
00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:05,923
deficit is the expense trend

1355
00:47:05,923 --> 00:47:08,559
line. And, you know, the kind

1356
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:10,027
of the rationale there is that

1357
00:47:10,027 --> 00:47:11,629
all the changes that the city

1358
00:47:11,629 --> 00:47:13,564
has made to bend down that cost

1359
00:47:13,564 --> 00:47:14,532
curve from an ongoing

1360
00:47:14,532 --> 00:47:15,533
perspective, again, relative to

1361
00:47:15,533 --> 00:47:17,101
that conservative forecast, are

1362
00:47:17,101 --> 00:47:18,302
carried through each year at

1363
00:47:18,302 --> 00:47:19,970
the forecast. So those savings

1364
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:21,438
compound year over year over

1365
00:47:21,439 --> 00:47:23,942
year. So we still have a

1366
00:47:23,941 --> 00:47:24,842
significant budget challenges

1367
00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:27,945
on the horizon and lots of work

1368
00:47:27,945 --> 00:47:29,613
to do on the strategies that we

1369
00:47:29,613 --> 00:47:31,548
have kind of laid out before u

1370
00:47:31,549 --> 00:47:32,617
But the conservative approach

1371
00:47:32,616 --> 00:47:34,384
that we’re taking for this 272

1372
00:47:34,385 --> 00:47:35,219
recommended budget is really

1373
00:47:35,219 --> 00:47:37,221
kind of helping to ease the

1374
00:47:37,221 --> 00:47:41,158
outyear issues that we’ve got.

1375
00:47:41,158 --> 00:47:43,027
This next slide shows the same

1376
00:47:43,027 --> 00:47:44,829
forecast chart for the 2728

1377
00:47:44,829 --> 00:47:46,397
City Manager recommended budget,

1378
00:47:46,397 --> 00:47:48,699
but it also reflects the use

1379
00:47:48,699 --> 00:47:50,568
about $13 million for one time

1380
00:47:50,568 --> 00:47:52,470
initiatives. And so you saw in

1381
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:54,138
the strategy slides and heard

1382
00:47:54,138 --> 00:47:56,073
about in earlier conversations

1383
00:47:56,073 --> 00:47:57,074
the various ways that the

1384
00:47:57,074 --> 00:47:58,909
budget achieves one time cost

1385
00:47:58,909 --> 00:48:00,744
savings over the biennium. And

1386
00:48:00,745 --> 00:48:02,513
this forecast slide shows the

1387
00:48:02,513 --> 00:48:03,547
application of one time

1388
00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:04,581
expenditures in general fund,

1389
00:48:04,582 --> 00:48:07,151
street and fire funds. These

1390
00:48:07,151 --> 00:48:08,552
expenditures won’t won’t carry

1391
00:48:08,552 --> 00:48:10,554
forward into the 2930 bienniu

1392
00:48:10,554 --> 00:48:12,823
but they do set us up to

1393
00:48:12,823 --> 00:48:13,590
advance really important

1394
00:48:13,591 --> 00:48:14,325
initiatives. We wanted to

1395
00:48:14,325 --> 00:48:18,996
highlight them for you. So th

1396
00:48:18,996 --> 00:48:22,066
table shows a list of some of

1397
00:48:22,066 --> 00:48:23,334
those one time initiatives tha

1398
00:48:23,334 --> 00:48:25,870
are funded during the 2728

1399
00:48:25,870 --> 00:48:27,004
biennium, and this funding is

1400
00:48:27,004 --> 00:48:28,405
going to help advance work that

1401
00:48:28,406 --> 00:48:29,941
you’ve kind of already seen us

1402
00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:31,208
talk through in some ways. So

1403
00:48:31,208 --> 00:48:32,676
the installing solar at

1404
00:48:32,676 --> 00:48:34,311
Firstenburg, securing resources

1405
00:48:34,311 --> 00:48:36,046
at the arts hub for phase one

1406
00:48:36,046 --> 00:48:37,681
design and construction,

1407
00:48:37,681 --> 00:48:38,515
supporting continued work in

1408
00:48:38,516 --> 00:48:40,251
the comp plan and annexation

1409
00:48:40,251 --> 00:48:42,053
planning and ensuring that our

1410
00:48:42,052 --> 00:48:42,886
public safety departments have

1411
00:48:42,887 --> 00:48:44,322
the equipment that they need.

1412
00:48:44,321 --> 00:48:45,455
As we’re kind of working

1413
00:48:45,456 --> 00:48:46,724
towards that improved approach

1414
00:48:46,724 --> 00:48:48,159
for equipment replacement over

1415
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:50,261
the long term. So with that,

1416
00:48:50,261 --> 00:48:52,096
think I’m going to turn it ba

1417
00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,065
over to Lisa to talk about nex

1418
00:48:54,064 --> 00:48:54,331
steps.

1419
00:48:54,331 --> 00:48:55,365
>> Does Council have any

1420
00:48:55,366 --> 00:49:01,105
questions on these forecasts?

1421
00:49:01,105 --> 00:49:03,240
>> Go ahead.

1422
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:07,611
>> I have a question on slide

1423
00:49:07,611 --> 00:49:09,780
27 or 26. Keip going back one

1424
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:14,818
more. One more, I believe.

1425
00:49:14,819 --> 00:49:16,954
There you go. Okay. Yeah, that

1426
00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:19,523
one. I appreciate the review o

1427
00:49:19,523 --> 00:49:20,958
legacy practices. I think

1428
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:22,726
that’s really important to to

1429
00:49:22,726 --> 00:49:25,229
do. I’m curious about the

1430
00:49:25,229 --> 00:49:27,031
department programmatic

1431
00:49:27,031 --> 00:49:29,600
capacity and how much of that

1432
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,602
is administrative and how much

1433
00:49:31,602 --> 00:49:33,504
of that could be centralized a

1434
00:49:33,504 --> 00:49:34,605
opposed to each department

1435
00:49:34,605 --> 00:49:37,808
having its own administration.

1436
00:49:37,808 --> 00:49:39,643
So I was wondering if that was

1437
00:49:39,643 --> 00:49:41,078
something that would be looked

1438
00:49:41,078 --> 00:49:45,049
at in terms of legacy practic

1439
00:49:45,049 --> 00:49:47,552
or have you considered that a

1440
00:49:47,551 --> 00:49:49,053
an option?

1441
00:49:49,053 --> 00:49:50,221
>> I think that’s certainly

1442
00:49:50,221 --> 00:49:52,223
something to evaluate when I

1443
00:49:52,223 --> 00:49:53,758
sort of thinking about what

1444
00:49:53,757 --> 00:49:55,592
this bullet point means, where

1445
00:49:55,593 --> 00:49:57,695
my head goes is more of a

1446
00:49:57,695 --> 00:49:59,230
review of budget versus actua

1447
00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:01,632
of each department and program

1448
00:50:01,632 --> 00:50:04,101
within a department has a

1449
00:50:04,101 --> 00:50:06,437
certain level of budget year

1450
00:50:06,437 --> 00:50:09,507
over year, and evaluating

1451
00:50:09,507 --> 00:50:11,676
whether or not that program i

1452
00:50:11,675 --> 00:50:13,644
actually utilizing the capacity

1453
00:50:13,644 --> 00:50:16,013
that they already have before

1454
00:50:16,013 --> 00:50:17,348
requesting additional resources

1455
00:50:17,348 --> 00:50:19,083
Right. So kind of really mak

1456
00:50:19,083 --> 00:50:20,451
sure that we’re fully utilizing

1457
00:50:20,451 --> 00:50:21,819
the resources that are already

1458
00:50:21,819 --> 00:50:23,387
available to us before asking

1459
00:50:23,387 --> 00:50:24,989
for more resources and having

1460
00:50:24,989 --> 00:50:26,023
those programmatic and

1461
00:50:26,023 --> 00:50:27,157
performance conversations at

1462
00:50:27,157 --> 00:50:29,292
that level before seeing

1463
00:50:29,293 --> 00:50:30,694
whether or not we need to add

1464
00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:31,828
more resources to achieve the

1465
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:32,663
same goal.

1466
00:50:32,663 --> 00:50:34,698
>> And my thought is about

1467
00:50:34,698 --> 00:50:35,799
duplication of programmatic

1468
00:50:35,799 --> 00:50:37,401
actions across departments tha

1469
00:50:37,401 --> 00:50:38,669
could be reduced to a

1470
00:50:38,669 --> 00:50:40,905
centralized approach. So that

1471
00:50:40,905 --> 00:50:42,640
that’s just where my thought

1472
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,543
went with that, and something

1473
00:50:45,543 --> 00:50:47,345
that I’m hoping you will

1474
00:50:47,344 --> 00:50:49,780
consider as far as addressing

1475
00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:53,817
some savings in the future.

1476
00:50:53,817 --> 00:50:55,952
>> Thank you.

1477
00:50:55,953 --> 00:50:57,755
>> All right. Any other

1478
00:50:57,755 --> 00:51:01,259
questions? All right. I don’t

1479
00:51:01,258 --> 00:51:03,894
see any other questions. Go

1480
00:51:03,894 --> 00:51:07,464
ahead.

1481
00:51:07,464 --> 00:51:12,569
>> Sorry.

1482
00:51:12,570 --> 00:51:15,039
>> Okay. We are going to go

1483
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:19,710
over the timeline. We are fast

1484
00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:22,580
approaching the publishing of

1485
00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:24,749
the city manager’s recommended

1486
00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:28,752
budget. We do have your

1487
00:51:28,752 --> 00:51:31,622
feedback. And so I think we

1488
00:51:31,622 --> 00:51:33,057
will provide that to you

1489
00:51:33,057 --> 00:51:34,525
probably in a memo format or

1490
00:51:34,525 --> 00:51:37,328
maybe through City Manager’s

1491
00:51:37,328 --> 00:51:41,666
communication. Prior to that,

1492
00:51:41,665 --> 00:51:43,433
we are required to publish the

1493
00:51:43,434 --> 00:51:46,370
budget by law on October 1st.

1494
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:49,273
We also have two upcoming

1495
00:51:49,273 --> 00:51:51,742
workshops, specifically on the

1496
00:51:51,742 --> 00:51:54,245
budget, the published budget.

1497
00:51:54,244 --> 00:51:55,746
The first one will be on

1498
00:51:55,746 --> 00:51:57,648
operating budget on October

1499
00:51:57,648 --> 00:51:58,916
12th, and then the capital

1500
00:51:58,916 --> 00:52:01,852
budget for October 26th, and

1501
00:52:01,852 --> 00:52:04,722
then presented for council

1502
00:52:04,722 --> 00:52:06,924
consent on November 2nd, and

1503
00:52:06,924 --> 00:52:08,592
then the public hearing and

1504
00:52:08,592 --> 00:52:12,296
adoption of the budget on

1505
00:52:12,296 --> 00:52:20,103
November 16th. So with that, closes the presentation

1506
00:52:20,104 --> 00:52:23,074
and opening it up for general

1507
00:52:23,073 --> 00:52:24,875
discussion from council or

1508
00:52:24,875 --> 00:52:26,677
feedback or any review of any

1509
00:52:26,677 --> 00:52:29,246
previous slides.

1510
00:52:29,246 --> 00:52:31,014
>> How is staff going to bring

1511
00:52:31,015 --> 00:52:32,884
forward the budget when we i

1512
00:52:32,883 --> 00:52:33,884
looks like there’s a few

1513
00:52:33,884 --> 00:52:36,086
decisions on revenue side tha

1514
00:52:36,086 --> 00:52:37,454
haven’t. That Council hasn’t

1515
00:52:37,454 --> 00:52:42,459
weighed in on.

1516
00:52:42,459 --> 00:52:46,129
>> Well, we could provide the

1517
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:47,565
information through. I’m going

1518
00:52:47,564 --> 00:52:49,366
to look over to Lorne a little

1519
00:52:49,366 --> 00:52:51,869
bit here. Because of the

1520
00:52:51,869 --> 00:52:54,372
timeline, I think we could

1521
00:52:54,371 --> 00:52:57,374
provide that in a memo format

1522
00:52:57,374 --> 00:53:00,844
And I think with the date, I

1523
00:53:00,844 --> 00:53:04,147
don’t think there’s any other

1524
00:53:04,148 --> 00:53:06,217
method to communicate because I

1525
00:53:06,216 --> 00:53:08,051
think there’s the community

1526
00:53:08,052 --> 00:53:10,955
forum next week. Right?

1527
00:53:10,954 --> 00:53:12,355
>> Yeah. And normally when

1528
00:53:12,356 --> 00:53:14,692
we’ve had that had choices tha

1529
00:53:14,692 --> 00:53:16,127
the City Council has to make,

1530
00:53:16,126 --> 00:53:17,761
we kind of model it two

1531
00:53:17,761 --> 00:53:18,895
different ways. What I would b

1532
00:53:18,896 --> 00:53:21,098
inclined to do is to make sur

1533
00:53:21,098 --> 00:53:23,534
that we give the council a lis

1534
00:53:23,534 --> 00:53:25,369
Like if you were to choose to

1535
00:53:25,369 --> 00:53:26,837
not move forward with an

1536
00:53:26,837 --> 00:53:28,339
adjustment to the utility tax,

1537
00:53:28,338 --> 00:53:30,207
this is what we would have to

1538
00:53:30,207 --> 00:53:31,508
remove from the budget so you

1539
00:53:31,508 --> 00:53:33,210
can see what the impact would

1540
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:35,145
be. But to actually prepare t

1541
00:53:35,145 --> 00:53:36,546
budget as though those items

1542
00:53:36,547 --> 00:53:38,315
are included in there. And, yo

1543
00:53:38,315 --> 00:53:40,017
know, I’ll say that some of

1544
00:53:40,017 --> 00:53:41,218
those items, they’ll be future

1545
00:53:41,218 --> 00:53:42,619
decision points for the city

1546
00:53:42,619 --> 00:53:45,555
Council. For example, if you d

1547
00:53:45,556 --> 00:53:47,058
decide that you want to adopt

1548
00:53:47,057 --> 00:53:48,692
the new children and family

1549
00:53:48,692 --> 00:53:50,561
sales tax, we don’t have to d

1550
00:53:50,561 --> 00:53:53,064
that in December of 2026. That

1551
00:53:53,063 --> 00:53:56,733
could occur in 2027, leading u

1552
00:53:56,734 --> 00:53:58,836
to January 1st. So those types

1553
00:53:58,836 --> 00:54:00,004
of decisions, we can model them

1554
00:54:00,003 --> 00:54:02,072
in there. But because of the

1555
00:54:02,072 --> 00:54:03,540
supplemental process, we have

1556
00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:04,908
the ability to make adjustments

1557
00:54:04,908 --> 00:54:07,477
along the way. If you think

1558
00:54:07,478 --> 00:54:09,580
back to the discussions that we

1559
00:54:09,580 --> 00:54:11,515
had, we’ve had to do that in

1560
00:54:11,515 --> 00:54:13,384
the past when we’ve had voted

1561
00:54:13,383 --> 00:54:14,451
propositions out in front of

1562
00:54:14,451 --> 00:54:16,153
the public, where we have to

1563
00:54:16,153 --> 00:54:17,488
show what a budget could look

1564
00:54:17,488 --> 00:54:19,023
like if the proposition passes

1565
00:54:19,022 --> 00:54:20,457
and then end up adopting the

1566
00:54:20,457 --> 00:54:21,625
budget for what it looked like

1567
00:54:21,625 --> 00:54:23,293
when proposition five did not

1568
00:54:23,293 --> 00:54:25,095
pass or, excuse me, proposition

1569
00:54:25,095 --> 00:54:27,264
four did not pass.

1570
00:54:27,264 --> 00:54:28,465
>> Well, just given the level

1571
00:54:28,465 --> 00:54:30,267
of discussion that we had on

1572
00:54:30,267 --> 00:54:32,302
those revenue, new revenue

1573
00:54:32,302 --> 00:54:35,539
ideas, it. I would like to see

1574
00:54:35,539 --> 00:54:37,741
it very clearly shown within

1575
00:54:37,741 --> 00:54:39,476
whatever documents you share

1576
00:54:39,476 --> 00:54:43,113
with us in the coming week.

1577
00:54:43,113 --> 00:54:45,248
What what the effect of those

1578
00:54:45,249 --> 00:54:46,350
decisions look like on our

1579
00:54:46,350 --> 00:54:49,587
budget. So I think most counc

1580
00:54:49,586 --> 00:54:51,054
would be in agreement with tha

1581
00:54:51,054 --> 00:54:53,890
I’m seeing some head nods. So

1582
00:54:53,891 --> 00:54:55,693
moving forward, as if it’s not

1583
00:54:55,692 --> 00:54:57,894
a done deal yet would be my

1584
00:54:57,895 --> 00:55:00,564
preference. And then obviously

1585
00:55:00,564 --> 00:55:01,832
we ask for more information

1586
00:55:01,832 --> 00:55:04,034
around those pieces too. And s

1587
00:55:04,034 --> 00:55:05,769
staff is planning to provide u

1588
00:55:05,769 --> 00:55:08,438
those those materials before

1589
00:55:08,438 --> 00:55:11,574
our forum. Is that before n

1590
00:55:11,575 --> 00:55:12,910
Monday, or is this something

1591
00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:14,044
that you’re thinking of getting

1592
00:55:14,044 --> 00:55:16,613
us before October, before the

1593
00:55:16,613 --> 00:55:19,483
budget is published October 1st

1594
00:55:19,483 --> 00:55:20,884
So when are we getting those

1595
00:55:20,884 --> 00:55:27,724
materials? That’s my question.

1596
00:55:27,724 --> 00:55:30,293
>> We can try and get to you i

1597
00:55:30,294 --> 00:55:32,363
a memo that Lorne can

1598
00:55:32,362 --> 00:55:35,298
distribute to you this Friday.

1599
00:55:35,299 --> 00:55:38,569
>> Okay.

1600
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:39,770
>> All right. Do we have any

1601
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:41,438
other questions or discussions

1602
00:55:41,438 --> 00:55:43,640
Oh, on.

1603
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,642
>> Not from my point of view. I

1604
00:55:45,642 --> 00:55:46,977
think we will endeavor to get

1605
00:55:46,977 --> 00:55:48,212
you the information that you

1606
00:55:48,212 --> 00:55:49,914
need, because we want you to

1607
00:55:49,913 --> 00:55:51,014
feel fully informed when you

1608
00:55:51,014 --> 00:55:52,048
make those decisions.

1609
00:55:52,049 --> 00:55:56,921
>> Okay? Yes.

1610
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,090
>> Just a comment. I heard fro

1611
00:56:00,090 --> 00:56:01,291
community who attended some of

1612
00:56:01,291 --> 00:56:05,562
the budget community meetings

1613
00:56:05,562 --> 00:56:07,998
that you put on and got really

1614
00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:09,500
good feedback. So just wanted

1615
00:56:09,499 --> 00:56:12,135
to share about it. Sounds like

1616
00:56:12,135 --> 00:56:14,537
it was a great success and was

1617
00:56:14,538 --> 00:56:16,306
curious if there were more

1618
00:56:16,306 --> 00:56:20,710
planned.

1619
00:56:20,711 --> 00:56:22,112
>> We don’t have any more

1620
00:56:22,112 --> 00:56:23,880
planned for right now, but I

1621
00:56:23,881 --> 00:56:25,049
would not be adverse to doing

1622
00:56:25,048 --> 00:56:26,082
that, especially once we hit

1623
00:56:26,083 --> 00:56:28,052
the point where we do the have

1624
00:56:28,051 --> 00:56:29,886
the budget adopted and go out

1625
00:56:29,887 --> 00:56:31,155
and talk to the community about

1626
00:56:31,154 --> 00:56:32,255
what is actually included in

1627
00:56:32,256 --> 00:56:33,991
the budget. Because, as you s

1628
00:56:33,991 --> 00:56:34,992
council still has some

1629
00:56:34,992 --> 00:56:36,093
decisions to make between now

1630
00:56:36,093 --> 00:56:37,895
and then. And while we’ve shown

1631
00:56:37,895 --> 00:56:39,063
the community some of the

1632
00:56:39,062 --> 00:56:40,430
highlights for what the draft

1633
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:42,165
budget contains, some of those

1634
00:56:42,165 --> 00:56:43,433
may not make it through to th

1635
00:56:43,433 --> 00:56:45,535
final version.

1636
00:56:45,535 --> 00:56:45,935
>> Okay.

1637
00:56:45,936 --> 00:56:49,239
>> Thank you. All right. Looks

1638
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,407
like that’s everything. We

1639
00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:51,642
don’t have any more questions

1640
00:56:51,642 --> 00:56:52,877
Thank you, staff, for joining

1641
00:56:52,876 --> 00:56:54,845
us tonight. And that will be

1642
00:56:54,845 --> 00:56:56,680
the end of our workshop time

1643
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,482
frame. We’ll be back at 630

1644
00:56:58,482 --> 00:57:00,284
after a dinner break. Thank y

1645
00:57:00,284 --> 00:57:00,584
everyone.