1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 In the midst of all, we have liberty and justice for all. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:10,000 That brings us to reading of the AUSD over the unified school district vision and mission statement. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:16,000 We have a very special guest who will read Madame Superintendent. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Thank you. The mission of the Albany Unified School District is to provide excellent public education that empowers all to achieve their fullest potential as productive citizens. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:35,000 AUSD is committed to creating comprehensive learning opportunities in a safe, supportive and collaborative environment addressing the individual needs of each student. 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Thank you. 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,000 The Board took no action in closed session. 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 That brings us to approval of the agenda. 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Do you have any questions or comments on the agenda? 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 I'll move to the agenda. 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,000 I'll second. 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,000 All in favour. 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Aye. 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Aye. Thank you. 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,000 That brings us to... 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Thank you, Charlie. 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:03,000 That brings us to persons to address the Board on matters not on the agenda and we're very limited in any responses we can give. 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:10,000 And we basically will time you to three minutes to have anybody to comment not on the agenda. 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Okay. 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,000 That brings us to our review and discussion items. 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Number one is sustainability and integrated design committee update. 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Thank you, President Roosevelt. 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Trust these. 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 I'm going to turn this over to our chief business officer. 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,000 All in guard who is going to give us an update on the Sustainability Integrated Design Committee. 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Mr. Guard. 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Thank you. 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Thank you. 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Superintendent. 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:45,000 So tonight we're going to have a presentation from the Sustainability Integrated Design Committee. 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,000 We have Alan Daley here who will be making a presentation. 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:57,000 And so as he comes up to bring the presentation on the screen. 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:04,000 I just want to provide some background about the sustainability slash integrated design committee. 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,000 So first, this was started. 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:19,000 This was started earlier this year where we brought in local specialists who wanted to volunteer to expertise in their time to 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:41,000 help ensure that we utilize current best practices as well as incorporate local values to the review and design of any current or future facility projects. 37 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:54,000 This was a very good and thoughtful committee because there were a lot of experts around. 38 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:08,000 There was a lot of people felt very connected to the different projects. 39 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:16,000 And the expertise that was brought in helped really shape what we can do. 40 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:28,000 It helped create a pathway that I think will be very beneficial to the district for many, many years. 41 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:42,000 You'll see later in this agenda a resolution that the committee developed that we put forward to the board for review and approval. 42 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:52,000 And it kind of outlines the latest research as well as values of the city. 43 00:03:52,000 --> 00:04:13,000 And it puts items in place to ensure that we don't lose sight of what we're able to do now in order to help create a good learning environment long term. 44 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Being very flexible but as we're also cost effective so we're very responsible to the taxpayer money. 45 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,000 And so with that I'd like to. 46 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Bring forward Alan daily for the presentation. 47 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:44,000 There's a laptop on the podium. 48 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,000 It's the presentations actually already on there. 49 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:55,000 I could this one that's free now it's actually. 50 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,000 It's the. 51 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,000 This is the only three tabs I see. 52 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Please talk into the mic. 53 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Hi everybody. 54 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Thank you very much for inviting me to present to you tonight. 55 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:39,000 I'll just second Alan's comments it's been a real pleasure to be part of the sustainable design and integrated design committee for the school district here. 56 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:48,000 I'd like to present to you a discussion of what we've accomplished and a recommendation for adopting. 57 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Building program called the California the collaborative for high performance schools chips and. 58 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:13,000 I think you'll see that this program that's very mature very well established used around the country aligns very closely with the goals and values of the committee but we think the larger community. 59 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,000 To take the approach here of not reinventing the wheel. 60 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:22,000 This is a well known well established program and because it's so nicely aligns with what. 61 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,000 We think the people of all we want and because and what the committee really believes the professionals that came here. 62 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,000 We think it's a great fit for the for the school district so. 63 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,000 I'll dive in. 64 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:40,000 The four community members or Diana Hayton Allen Brickett Rosa Shane and myself Allen daily. 65 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Diana Allen and Rosa are all practicing architects and some of the nicest most thoughtful firms in the Bay Area. 66 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:54,000 We're lucky to have them being involved because of their experience and and attitude towards really great buildings. 67 00:06:54,000 --> 00:07:01,000 I'm not an architect I've been trained in the mechanical engineer and I've actually run mechanical engineering design firm for about the last 20 years. 68 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:09,000 I'm from called Taylor engineering down in Alameda and I've worked on projects in this area as well. 69 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:17,000 So there's quite a lot of experience with green building design high performance building design that we've brought to bear here and in fact we've. 70 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Found a number of other community members like Nick and other architects as well in the area that. 71 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Looking forward to being involved in this as well. 72 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Much of the material that I've pulled together here comes from the chips website. 73 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:42,000 I just wanted to give credit where credit is due to make it clear that I didn't prepare all this and this lots more information available on the website if needed. 74 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:57,000 When we first got together as a community we spent a great brainstorming session without even talking about chips or anything the first day actually the first we started off by looking at the existing plans that are. 75 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Out there for some of the school projects that are happening right now marine ocean view. 76 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,000 San Gabriel site and that generated quite a lot of discussion. 77 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,000 The architects presented a lot of history there you know these projects have a life of their own. 78 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:20,000 And after two or three sessions about what was happening we had a nice opportunity to kind of step back and say. 79 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Regardless of the specific work that's been done. 80 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:34,000 What do we think buildings should embody and what are our goals and values for schools in the district and what you see on the screen here. 81 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:42,000 These six high level summary points are brought back to by a number of other points but these were completely. 82 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:48,000 From scratch there was nothing or we said let's start with chip so let's start with the lead or any other start with hail 24. 83 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:54,000 This was just us in the room the 10 or 12 people that were there coming up with ideas. 84 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,000 And you'll see there's sort of an order as well. 85 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Safe and accessible schools create very high quality learning and working spaces for both students and staff. 86 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Create schools that are ability to have the ability to be used by the community that multi use aspect to them. 87 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Use resources responsibly water energy. 88 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Create great architecture that are inspiring places and delightful you know as well as functional and practical and cost effective. 89 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 And finally of course appropriate reasonable budgets. 90 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:33,000 This quick little snapshot of the document on the right is a more detailed version of the same notes that provides lots more detailed subheadings and things. 91 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:38,000 But you'll see that we came up with a really nice set of goals for schools. 92 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:46,000 And I think that fits right in with the vision for Albany schools and I bet all of you would agree these would be great things to have in schools. 93 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:52,000 So we're not a bunch of green wackos right. 94 00:09:52,000 --> 00:10:03,000 We also wanted to point out that obviously the schools here are a part of a larger community and that larger community has established goals around these same objectives. 95 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:09,000 This is the city of Albany Climate Action Plan adopted six years ago now. 96 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:18,000 And we'll go into the details here I'm sure you're aware of this but it has elements that start to intersect with schools. 97 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:31,000 For example the one I pulled out here was about helping to create transportation initiatives in this city that helped minimize that kind of busy back and forth to school traffic that often happens. 98 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Just one example of how there's an intersection between the two. 99 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:48,000 And part of the interesting discussion became about how do we operationalize these goals and values in schools and in building projects specifically? 100 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Because it's one thing to write down a list of what we'd like to have but it's a very different thing to actually get them understood and embodied in the projects that you're delivering. 101 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:07,000 And I hope I'm not stopping anybody's toes when I when I guess that none of you are really building people. 102 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:15,000 You know it's not your job to know how to run big capital campaigns and you know design buildings you're educators and that's why you're here. 103 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:28,000 And so part of this operationalization, operationalizing these goals is to try to find a way that's well established that you can fit into the architectural community. 104 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:36,000 And the building community understands that will really enable you to get their kind of projects you want. 105 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:53,000 So jump to the end here, the recommendation here is to consider adopting chips, schools, the chips criteria, the chips rating system for AUSD buildings. 106 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:02,000 And I'll talk a bit more about that. So what is chips? 107 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:20,000 The collaborative for high performance schools, right? It was a group of architects, engineers, planners, school boards, teachers, they came together to say what would what represents best practice for school design in today's world. 108 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:25,000 And the mission here is a very simple one to make every school an ideal place to learn. 109 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:32,000 I'd like to point out this slide on the image on the right here is a school called the Chartwell School, then in C-Side California. 110 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,000 I'm very proud and happy to have gotten to be the mechanical engineer to design that project. 111 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,000 This is a school for students with learning disabilities, it's a private school. 112 00:12:42,000 --> 00:13:01,000 And the goal of designing a very green sustainable high performance building was that the building and the environment itself could support the special education needs these students have to really help them achieve better results in their education. 113 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:07,000 And the school is just a huge success. It's a beautiful place to be for the staff and students. 114 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Well, they let it, well ventilated, it's a beautiful environment right by the coast, just a massive success and one of the proudest and the proudest of that project of many of the ones I've had my career. 115 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:35,000 What is a high performance school? It is this kind of cross section of a whole bunch of different aspects, responsive, efficient, healthy, secure, comfortable, simple. 116 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:49,000 This little word blurb comes right out of the chips set of information that's available and you can overlay and I will in a sec. This set of words and this kind of word cloud with those goals I showed a second ago and you almost have a one to one match. 117 00:13:49,000 --> 00:14:02,000 So the idea of not just, it's not just about, you know, minimum impact and zero energy and those things, it's about healthy, efficient, community focused, safe, teaching environments. 118 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:09,000 As well as as well as very efficient and unresponsible resources. 119 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:17,000 It's not just the high level, glossy brochure, kind of a guideline either. It's quite well thought through. 120 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:31,000 I won't go into all the details on this slide, but I want to just put something like this up because you'll see that it's a very thoughtful, integrated design approach to what makes high performance school. 121 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:43,000 There are elements here about classroom layout down in the lower right, positioning teachers and students and teaching walls and windows, just the layout of the room being thoughtful about that. 122 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:49,000 It all talks about lighting, right? High performance lighting, indirect direct, those kinds of things. 123 00:14:49,000 --> 00:15:00,000 It's got acoustics, it's got daylighting, it's got ceiling heights, finishes, it's a guideline that really wraps all of the elements. 124 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Of buildings to try to create a very nicely integrated classroom for high-performance learning and teaching. 125 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:29,000 This is my kind of overlay here of the overall high-level chip schools, environmentally responsible, healthy, high-performance learning environments against the six AUSD kind of brainstormed goals. 126 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:35,000 And you'll see that they, again, match very nicely. 127 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:49,000 I wanted to just take a little bit of a deeper dive for a couple of slides and talk to give you a sense. Again, this is a very well thought, very mature kind of a guideline. 128 00:15:49,000 --> 00:16:01,000 In one of our planning sessions, one of our early sessions I was explaining a minute ago how the early sessions were about having architects and site committees present some of the school projects to us. 129 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:13,000 And maybe being a mechanical engineer, one of, you know, I'll say a little bit more clearly too, as a mechanical engineer in buildings, my job is all the ducks and pipes and controls and all that stuff. 130 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,000 The air conditioning engineer, you know, at some level. 131 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:24,000 I like to think about it as an energy engineer when I'm, you know, trying to feel a little better about myself. 132 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:30,000 And so all my stuff makes noise, fans and pumps and all that. 133 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:39,000 And we know that, of course, in a classroom, having a quiet learning environment is super important for learning and paying attention, all those distractions. 134 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:44,000 I mean, kids are sort of practical on, anyway, having a nice quiet environment is very important. 135 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:57,000 And so, one of my comments when I saw the Marine School design was the mechanical engineers in architects ended up putting these kind of special air conditioning units that go above a ceiling above each classroom. 136 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:03,000 It's a very simple, relatively inexpensive, kind of straightforward way to lay out air conditioning systems. 137 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,000 And it's one that I reacted very negatively to because those stupid things in the ceiling make a lot of noise. 138 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:13,000 And so here is the chips guideline. Great stuff right here. 139 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:20,000 It says, you know, how to about acoustics, it talks about standards, it definitely references larger industry documents. 140 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:28,000 It says on the right there, HVAC equipment can be located in the classroom near the classroom or away from the classroom in a central location. 141 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:37,000 blah, blah, blah. In room HVAC systems can consist of unducted fan coils, that's the thing they have. 142 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Avoiding these systems is the best option acoustically, since otherwise it's hard to meet these certain standards. 143 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:52,000 So, very straightforward practical advice. You want to clap classroom, don't put this stuff in the ceiling. 144 00:17:52,000 --> 00:18:02,000 It seems like so obvious to us, right? But yet, the Marine School design for whatever reason has a bunch of dumb HVAC equipment in the ceiling. 145 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000 You know? 146 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:10,000 You're meeting the new, the new, the existing, and the existing, and the existing, where in school is no prize either. 147 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,000 I complete agree with you. My boy, as you know, my boy spent many years there at mine. 148 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,000 My first day at a U.S.D. was to meet your son at a naggy square. 149 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Maggie came to the boys graduation party a few days ago. It was really fun. It was great. 150 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,000 I should have put a picture in the presentation here. 151 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:40,000 So, in any case, just, you know, thoughtful, reasonable advice that can help get you a better building. 152 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:46,000 Second one is really about daylighting. We talked a lot about the different projects. 153 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,000 Daylighting really is critically important for making nice buildings. 154 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Buildings that are a great architecture have great daylighting. It's just that simple. 155 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,000 The way the light comes in, the way the light moves over the course of the day. 156 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,000 People respond to daylight. They're studies that say students even learn better in daylight classrooms. 157 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:12,000 In fact, you know, up here I highlighted that daylighting forms the quarterstone of sustainable high performance design for schools. 158 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Super simple. 159 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:23,000 And here's a highlight controlled direct sunlight penetration provide gentle uniform elimination. 160 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Again, not to be too harsh on the Marine School design, but, you know, there was this huge glass facade along Santa Fe with that giant window on the multi-purpose room. 161 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,000 With lots of west facing windows along Santa Fe. 162 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,000 Very hard to control that, that sun exposure. 163 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:51,000 And, you know, just, every, all the committee members just, you see that and you kind of think, oh, you know, it's going to be a fight. 164 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:59,000 Not a, not a, not a fight from a design standpoint, but just to make that building perform well when those certain decisions are made. 165 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:07,000 So, again, some simple guidance that can really be a touchstone for the design team to start to work in. 166 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Albert Cat is a great architect. 167 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:22,000 And he, you know, said very nicely in one of our committee meetings that, you know, you as the, as the board, we as community members, we don't want to be the architect's worst nightmare. 168 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,000 Where we go and we micromanage and design the building for them. 169 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Design by committee is a disaster. 170 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:35,000 What you want to do is you want to give the architects and the design team clear guidelines and clear goals. 171 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:40,000 And then really enable them to create inspired architecture. 172 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:50,000 And we feel like these kinds of simple guidelines will allow them to do that without micromanaging and actually design the building for each of the teams. 173 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,000 Just moving on now, going back up a level. 174 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,000 As I mentioned before, chips is a well-developed, well-rounded mature program. 175 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,000 You can see here that here's the mapping of the United States. 176 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Chips programs are used in all of the lighter colored ones here around the whole country. 177 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,000 And the five manuals up there are all resources that are available. 178 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000 The first one is on planning. 179 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:26,000 So as you start to plan to be capital campaign, the second one in purple is on design how to specifically design these buildings. 180 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,000 The third one is an operations and maintenance. 181 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Rolling operations and every day kind of activities into a sustainable design and operations program. 182 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,000 The orange one there is about commissioning. 183 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Making sure your buildings are up and running correctly and you're getting what you thought you got. 184 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 We're getting. 185 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,000 And the last one over there on the right is about portables. 186 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:51,000 There's a whole special part of the guideline for about relocatable classrooms. 187 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,000 You know, these guys, they know schools. 188 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,000 They know your budgets aren't like you're building on the Google campus, right? 189 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,000 And that portables are a part of our lives. 190 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,000 But there is a way to even do those buildings better. 191 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,000 And right. 192 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000 And chips hasn't raised that. 193 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Sure. 194 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Something I haven't heard in any of the discussion of replacement of right now. 195 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,000 You know, it's sort of end of life issues. 196 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:20,000 If you were going to build a brand or an Russian view 40 years ago and anticipated 40 years later, 197 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000 you might have to replace them. 198 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:28,000 It's a big difference between I can take this annex down and replace it versus I got to scrape the whole lot. 199 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Or, you know, can I design essentially the floor to never have to be completely removed. 200 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000 I can always replace modularly, et cetera. 201 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:43,000 Is there anything in this that says, well, here's how to design so that 40 years, 50 years, et cetera. 202 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:49,000 You can get your next school here at less cost than if you've got to just build those the whole thing. 203 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,000 Yeah, I'm gathering. 204 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,000 I mean, I would not expect that any current chips of building has been replaced. 205 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Yeah. 206 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Where we're not at that stage of this movement. 207 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,000 But as any of that discussion come up in your meetings as well. 208 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Some maybe Danica can come and comment later on. 209 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,000 But, you know, there's always so many priorities to juggle. 210 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,000 That's one of, you know, 50 concerns. 211 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,000 There's almost like this big octopus we talked about in one of the meetings, you know, of concerns. 212 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:27,000 And although sure it makes sense to be able to want to think that long. 213 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:35,000 More short-term priorities almost always dominate the discussion, because they're just, you know, pressing in today's world. 214 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,000 But there's lots of lessons we can learn from buildings about flexible spaces. 215 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,000 You know, the most sustainable building is when you don't need to tear down and build a new, 216 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000 but you can reuse and keep going. 217 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,000 Look at, you know, Cornell as an example of that. 218 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:54,000 Higher ceilings, more flexible spaces, larger classrooms that allow for different layouts. 219 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Maybe these guidelines don't directly connect, but certainly they make better buildings. 220 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:07,000 And better buildings get used longer. 221 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,000 To give you just a little bit of a sentence of the chips criteria. 222 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Again, I'm not going to go into lots of details, but again, there's kind of seven categories about integrated design, indoor environmental quality, fresh air, comfortable environments. 223 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:36,000 Energy use, of course, water efficiency, selecting your sites well, managing materials, choosing good materials, recycling during construction, and then finally operations. 224 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:42,000 Discoring is quite flexible. What happens is there's a bunch of criteria that I just talked about. 225 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,000 There are some prerequisites that are required. 226 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,000 The designers of this program said these things are so important, they must be in every program. 227 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,000 But it's just a small subset of the overall points you can get. 228 00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:03,000 There's 250 possible points, which you can choose from for your project, and you get recognition at different levels. 229 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:10,000 So, for example, at 110 points for a new building, you get recognized as a chips. 230 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000 Certified, you know, a chips designed building. 231 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,000 And you can see out of 250, it's only 110, so there's lots of flexibility. 232 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,000 You know, the architects in the room and probably you have some experience building. 233 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,000 One of the fundamental facts about buildings is that they're all different. 234 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,000 And there's no uniform solution that can be applied across all buildings. 235 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:43,000 So they've designed a very flexible system that can allow you to not worry about some points and focus more on other ones, just because that makes sense for the district. 236 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,000 There's elements of this program for our new schools. 237 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:59,000 There's elements of the program for existing school renovations, and there's, like I said, before elements for prefab modular type buildings. 238 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,000 The student from levels of chips recognition on the left, it says chips designed. 239 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:11,000 This is a voluntary program where the architects themselves, or the design team themselves, or maybe the construction team, kind of self-certify. 240 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,000 Yes, we got that point. Yes, we got that point. Yes, we got that point. 241 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:23,000 Or there's actually a higher level called chips verified, where you can have a third party do an independent review and verification of the points. 242 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:41,000 If you do the verification level, you get this nice plaque that helps you communicate to the community in a very clear message that you put your money where your mouth is and built a building that embodies these principles. 243 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:52,000 Chip's designed is a perfectly fine way to go, but it's our what they are. If the board chooses to go that direction, you can certainly go along way with high quality architects and good design teams. 244 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:59,000 Chip's verified gives you the plaque and helps, again, message to the community in a very clear way, what you've accomplished. 245 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000 There is some cost to that, of course. 246 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:10,000 And what's nice is that this resolution that we're suggesting you consider tonight, you don't need to decide right now one way or the other. 247 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:16,000 In fact, every single project you could go chip's design or chips verified as appropriate. 248 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Maybe the bigger projects you want to have a flagship be verified with the other ones you don't, that's completely up to you. 249 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:32,000 Simply adopting the resolution tonight doesn't bound you to one path or the other. 250 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:47,000 So the recommendation is that you should adopt a requirement for chips projects and then decide later on verified or designed on a project basis. 251 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:53,000 A couple of points in here that are worth mentioning, I think, the, especially the last one. 252 00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:02,000 There are of course incentive programs in the state of California for hard performance buildings, especially savings by design, which is a 253 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:10,000 PG&E utility sponsored program that helps provide some funding for the design team and for the district. 254 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:22,000 If you do a high performance building and because PG&E and because chips was, you know, founded and didn't mention it before, but chips actually had its genesis south of market. 255 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:31,000 A child's elie is old office there. It's, it's basically from the Bay Area. This is, you know, grew up here about in 2002 it started. 256 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:45,000 So if you adopt chips, it just helps send a message to the other partners that you might find in the construction process, like the incentive programs to make that process more straightforward. 257 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:56,000 Just showing this implementation flow chart. They've got a lot of nice materials in this, in this, the chips resources. 258 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,000 And this is one diagram from their planning guide. 259 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:14,000 And you can see they kind of have the circle of going around and measure from policy to designing a program to actually doing individual projects and then finally going back and evaluating your success and circling around again. 260 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:20,000 It's an iterative process. All design is iterative as we work through these things. 261 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:29,000 And so what, where we are is up in the upper right up here, adopt, adopt, adopt board resolution. 262 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,000 So it's just the beginning of the journey really. 263 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,000 And this guidance throughout to take the program further. 264 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:46,000 I'm going to start to implement it in your building projects over time. 265 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:55,000 So that is the end. I'm happy to, oh, I guess there's one more. The last one here is to the recommendation is if you want to consider this adopt resolution. 266 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,000 We've put together a draft resolution for your consideration and review. 267 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,760 Drawing from resources that were available kind of a template that was on the chip's website, but we've 268 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:12,000 modified it pretty significantly for the Albany Unified School District values and community 269 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,000 to really try to represent what we feel it is the right thing to adopt. 270 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:24,000 So we'll be looking at the resolution a little later this evening. We'll take questions and comments right now. 271 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:34,000 Okay, so I noticed that in the six guidelines adopted by the committee, number six, 272 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,600 considering what we went through to get the bonds passed and the surprise this was all the way down at 273 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:49,280 number six, is appropriate in reasonable budgets. I didn't see anything in the chips presentation 274 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:58,240 talking about budget, noon, can you address that? Sure. As I mentioned before, every building is 275 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:07,680 different and the budget impacts are hard to quantify any kind of blanket way across different projects. 276 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:14,880 You know, I've been asked many, many times over my career as a practicing building engineer, what's that going to 277 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,920 cost? It's a very hard question to answer, which I know is not a very satisfactory response. 278 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:28,160 That becomes one of those inputs you need to provide, one of those boundaries you need to give to the 279 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:35,760 design team. With the right design team given these goals and given a budget, they should be able to give you 280 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:44,000 a building that matches. That's my job as a design team member to give you the building you want for the 281 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:50,640 budget you have and help you understand the trade-offs as the project design evolves. 282 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:57,360 So it's easy to say a little cost, two percent more, ten percent more, and there's been studies 283 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,840 because like you many people have asked that same question, they want a simple answer to a complex problem 284 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,200 and the studies when you look at them, some say that they cost no more and some will say they cost 10 percent more. 285 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:16,240 And it's because different design teams, different owners, different projects, different values, 286 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:24,960 end up resolving that question different ways. So if you work with your design teams and you say this is 287 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:31,600 the budget and these are our goals and you lay it out very clearly and strongly, that gives the design 288 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,960 team the tools, did it give you the building that makes sense? Alan, may I add? Please. 289 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:46,240 This is, I have other comments, but this is partially in response to Paul's question because I was also 290 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,760 on the committee and I think that all my fellow board members know that I'm a big cheap skate. 291 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:59,120 I ask a lot of questions about spending money carefully, particularly when we want the money primarily 292 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:05,920 to go to students and we don't have as much as we would like. However, I'm going to explain it very 293 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,200 simply because I don't know a lot about architecture and about buildings and the questions that I asked 294 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:19,440 or answered to my satisfaction to some of the, to summarize many of the answers that I got 295 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:30,240 because the building codes and many things are evolving and changing over time, they're actually 296 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:40,560 starting to many of them are reflecting the same chips standards already. So then in that sense, 297 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:46,880 you're not talking about an increased cost. In addition, it was explained to me that because it is the 298 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:54,160 mature program that Alan has described more and more different participants in the building 299 00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:06,880 process have become very familiar with the process and therefore the cost for them to do these things 300 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:15,760 has come more in line with maybe regular construction because they know that that's the 301 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,520 direction that everything's going. So that was actually quite eye-opening for me and you know I'm 302 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,800 a big cheap skate. I asked many different ways about that. So that was quite satisfying to me. 303 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,880 Okay, Dan, Dan, do you have any of the comments on that as well with your experience? 304 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:41,040 We need you to come up and join. We have a board member who's doing this remote and so you have to really 305 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:49,440 speak into that. Charlie is joined us by phone from New Orleans. Okay, great. My name's Diana Hayton. 306 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:56,640 I was on the integrated design sustainable design committee too. I would just concur with what you both said 307 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:06,320 and I thought Pat, you put a very common sense answer together there. All of the features of 308 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:15,760 energy efficiency, water efficiency, treatment of storm water materials and how you specify materials 309 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:21,920 that create a healthy environment for kids that don't off gas, et cetera. All of that is currently 310 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:30,560 built into the code and we are currently getting ready for the 2016 code which you know is coming out soon. 311 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:39,280 So I really think that just achieving chips certification should not be an ad. We can talk about it more 312 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:46,960 when we look at the resolution but that's my opinion. So my understanding is we're sure we're clear 313 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:53,920 and they're going to take a question from Charlie. The requirements now at the State Office of Architects 314 00:35:54,720 --> 00:36:02,480 is very getting closer and closer and closer to chips anyway so that we would be required to 315 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:09,440 do many of these things that that chips requires as well. Charlie, do you have a question? 316 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:23,120 Okay, am I on? You are on? All right, thank you. I apologize if this is a repeat. 317 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:32,640 I'm having a bit of a trouble with a week-wide fight here and okay, I'm getting some feedback to it. 318 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:45,040 It's going to keep talking. Yes. I think Charlie, what you need to do is turn down your computer. 319 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:52,320 I just turned off the audio on the computer or video sheet, which was out of sync with 320 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,640 a virtual SMS. Anyway, I just wanted to say personal thank you to the committee for all the work 321 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:05,840 that you did. I learned a lot from all of you. So thank you for the time that you put in. 322 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:13,840 You can be a question or comment I had with in relation to costs. I think it's my understanding that chips 323 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:26,080 is not so much the, it's not so much a set of item by item requirements that would add one cost after another. 324 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:34,080 The rather, it's a kind of a framework and within that broad framework, it would give the 325 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:46,720 architects the flexibility to allow the board to determine what resources are available and then to 326 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,520 actually direct those whatever that whatever our budget is, whatever the resources that we have 327 00:37:53,840 --> 00:38:03,120 to work with my team, we can direct those resources to whatever we think are the highest priority items within 328 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:11,520 the chips kind of framework. Is that a correct understanding? Yes, that's a good, that's a good 329 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:18,320 way to put it. There's quite a lot of flexibility in the program. And so you can shift priorities 330 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,000 as needed to steal a couple of ships, but meet budgets and design good buildings. 331 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:43,520 Okay, thank you. And if I could just add one of the trips, so one of the processes that we put into 332 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:50,640 place for each of the projects is something that will be touched on with the high school design 333 00:38:50,640 --> 00:39:00,560 presentation next, but essentially at each phase of the project we have cost estimates done to ensure 334 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:07,120 that what is being talked about and incorporated and planned is in line with the budget and then if not, 335 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:17,040 what are our options in order to bring it back to budget? And then when we, if we ultimately go out 336 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:24,720 to receive formal bits for construction, that'll be another time where we can see where are we with our 337 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:32,640 budget and what either added features or what cost savings are able to be accomplished because of 338 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:42,080 those cost estimates. And so there are many points throughout the process where we're 339 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:49,440 ensuring that we're on budget and when we're not then we're going back to the design team to really 340 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:56,880 look at options so that they're also not blindsided with, well I thought I really wanted this and 341 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,080 after the fact going back to them saying, I'm sorry we didn't have enough money for it, but 342 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:09,760 you know here's a new building that's already there. So there's several points along the way to ensure that 343 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:20,320 we're on budget and responsible with taxpayer dollars. Thank you. I just wanted to say the one thing 344 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,520 and then one of the item briefly, Charlie is always so gracious, he always beats me to the 345 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:32,080 bunch of us also thinking about wanting to acknowledge and to think the community members already mentioned, 346 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:39,600 including Alan and Diana for giving their time, but we also had our city council member Nick Pilch 347 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:45,600 participate quite a bit. I thought it was very useful to have the staff members including and I apologize 348 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:51,360 if I forgot someone. Don Allbright was very useful because he's the facilities person and we had 349 00:40:52,080 --> 00:41:00,720 Deborah Brill, Terry Georgeson, Alexia Richie, Robin Cooper and at least some other people those 350 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:06,080 so good to have the principles and all that. And I would just say that when Charlie and I were there, 351 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:13,440 we both learned so much and we feel very fortunate to live in a community of such civic-minded 352 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:21,120 professionals and everyone who are willing to give their time. The one other item I would say is that 353 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:29,200 you know, I tend to be a cheap skate and think a lot about things and I learned a lot about this, but I actually remember 354 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:38,720 quite distinctly, many of you know, Ellen Hershey, she has supported many of our personal taxes and 355 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,400 the schools for a long time although she no longer has her children are grown. So she no longer has children 356 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:51,360 and she said I don't know if I think it was at one of the facilities meetings that when her grandchildren grow 357 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:58,560 she wants them to have a nice world to live in and she wanted us to put everything we could into 358 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:06,560 energy saving and she was Nick with love her because she was very much a supporter of net zero and so 359 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:12,720 I you know I think about her as one of our constituents someone with no one in the schools every time I 360 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:20,320 think about this project and the goals involved with it. And thanks to you and thanks to Charlie 361 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:26,400 participating and putting a lot into it for the one meeting I attended you really had a lot to say and 362 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:33,440 facilitate the conversation. It was our pleasure by the way Paul, I actually helped type out that list I think 363 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,160 and I just wanted to clarify except we're safe and accessible which I thought we felt was obviously 364 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:44,800 fundamental. I'm very sure we have a discussion that the rest were there were a list but not necessarily in 365 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:51,440 private case use bullets not numbers. All right just the clarification. 366 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:59,280 Any other questions or comments from the board? I'm just a comment on the general discussion of 367 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:05,600 facilities and all that you know we we we talk about I'm absolutely prepared to believe that building to 368 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:11,440 these sorts of guidelines and standards results in say lower cost buildings. I really love to know by how much. So 369 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:18,400 maybe in a future discussion on facilities we could see something like say here is the past years operational 370 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:24,560 cost of Marin what we pay PG&E what we pay for this that the other and and to be able to look at 371 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:31,600 and say well we are anticipating 50% less or zero cost because we will have solar and net net will come out 372 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:39,840 zero just to know if this is 2% of what we're going to expect to spend and in the infrastructure as is 10% is the 373 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:47,440 maintenance tail a huge thing where anything we do could have a great net impact on the road or we dancing around the margins. 374 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:53,120 So it might be really nice to see something like that when we have a discussion you know when I hear the phrase it'll save us money 375 00:43:53,120 --> 00:44:01,120 and operations over the longer run. Well how much I'd love to see those numbers. 376 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:22,560 I think the the the chips framework is it's more about creating a high quality 377 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:38,400 learning environment that is sustainable versus reducing energy usage or water usage or or or just resources. 378 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:58,800 There we can provide information about how much usage the current buildings use for various resources and then we can provide an estimate on what 379 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:24,000 A projection of what the new buildings could be, but then it's, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see. 380 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:44,000 So for instance, so for elementary for, for the schools, with the classrooms, there's a difference between incorporating natural ventilation and fans versus just incorporating a HVAC system. 381 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:59,000 And then what the differences are there and some of it could be utility usage, but then others could just be like unquantifiable improvements in the learning environment. 382 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:05,000 Let's see. 383 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:14,000 There is a, will be some payback and we know that because of, because of what we're doing for sustainability. 384 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Well, we expect there to be, but I think one of the comments that I heard from previous discussions were, we want to increase the usage of these facilities so that they're more than, you know, then classrooms, 385 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:46,000 and then they're used by the community as well. And so if they're, if the usage of those facilities are more than what they are now, then it would be using more resources. 386 00:46:46,000 --> 00:47:02,000 And so we may not be able to show the new building is using less energy, but we would be able to show that it is more efficient in the use of resources. 387 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,000 Yeah, if I could just offer an anecdote along those lines, I've done this, you know, a few years. 388 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:14,000 We've designed these buildings, we do energy models, we predict how much energy a building's going to use, and then oftentimes we'll go back and measure it later on. 389 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:21,000 And it's ironic, but sometimes the greenest buildings are the ones where we miss it the most, and it's because they're great buildings. 390 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:28,000 And instead of just everyone wanting to go home at five, they hang around longer, and they get used in the evening, and they get used on the weekends. 391 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:36,000 So what you end up with is maybe not necessarily lower utility bills, but you get much higher use, much more value out of the building. 392 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,000 So energy, I mean, I'm an energy guy, I've been energy guy in my whole life, that's why I do what I do. 393 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:47,000 But energy in the end is just one measure of the value that a building creates. 394 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,000 And in some ways, you want them to use more energy, because that means they're being used more. 395 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:59,000 Of course, you know, being responsible at how you source the energy and using clean energy if source, we have many options in today's world. 396 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:08,000 But just, you know, getting your energy down utility bills down isn't necessarily the only goal, even though that is one financial benefit. 397 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:15,000 You know, maybe you get bigger risks, because you can rent, I don't know how you use it, but there's dimensions there too. 398 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,000 I mean, I think about, for example, solar energy. 399 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:33,000 And if we put enough panels on a roof, then no matter what the use is, you know, when I put my solar panels on, my usage actually has gone up, because I feel better about using electricity, but it will pay for itself after nine years. 400 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,000 So that was the plan, and apparently I'm ahead of the game. 401 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:49,000 So I'm going to save money, but so if we put the right sustainable things on the, there should be a payback anyway. 402 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,000 And just one more thought along this line. 403 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:57,000 So we had a presentation this past year from Ed Set on replacing light bulbs and Albany High. 404 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:07,000 And I mean, maybe the energy use of the current and projected ocean use school might be a big fat target for somebody to do a research project. 405 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:18,000 Give the whole class doing that everything from auditing what comes to us from PG&E to putting sensors out and actually measuring heat, temperature, consumption, et cetera. 406 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:26,000 Yeah, and I recognize that what we may know about Iran is a big fat number called here's what PG&E told us all of Iran is. 407 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,000 You can't say, well, these four new portables over here are consuming this percentage of it. 408 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:40,000 I understand it, but it'd be nice to have something better than a guess that, well, if we replace portables within organic building, it'll be cheaper to maintain. 409 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,000 I hope so. 410 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,000 I'd love to see the numbers that say it's cheaper this much or this much. 411 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:55,000 I'd like to comment on that that, you know, I'm all in favor of decreasing operating costs and it sounds like, you know, this will do that. 412 00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:06,000 I think it's to some extent playing the game of if we put this on, what does this cost and what will it save us in operating costs? 413 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:16,000 Doesn't really make sense because for one thing, it's not what did this cost, it's the differential and what this cost from what you would have done otherwise. 414 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:27,000 And then we have to remember that we're paying for this with borrowed money that's being paid back over time with tax money. 415 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:33,000 So if we paid $10,000 for something by the time it's paid off, it'll be $20,000. 416 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,000 And I don't know how you factor that in to the operating costs. 417 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,000 So I think just. 418 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:47,000 It makes sense that if you use photovoltaics, you're paying less for electricity. 419 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,000 But you also, there's also the cost of putting the panels on the roof. 420 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:59,000 And at some point, you're probably just wasting your time to try to figure out exactly what the payback period is for that. 421 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,000 I think I'll be. 422 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:07,000 I just want to last thing that it just reminded me so. 423 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:13,000 We attended a workshop at the Berkeley Library. 424 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:18,000 We was at the North Berkeley Library of camera. 425 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:26,000 But it was one of the first net zero public buildings in California. 426 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:33,000 And it had all these systems in place to ensure that it's using. 427 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,000 You know, it's as sustainable as possible. 428 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:42,000 But then when they were going through the presentation and having the discussion. 429 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:53,000 They realized that some of those systems that are such that just the automatic were turned off because it impacted the use of those facilities. 430 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,000 And so because of that, the calculation that showed it's. 431 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:05,000 The grants building ever is not really true because the operations of it didn't really match. 432 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,000 The parameters that were put into place to create that calculation. 433 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000 Interesting. 434 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,000 That's North. 435 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,000 North Berkeley branch. 436 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,000 In our committee meetings, we address the same issue. 437 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,000 We can definitely vouch for this. 438 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000 And again, again, you know, the. 439 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,000 The top of the list over here. 440 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,000 Or the number two, you know, high quality learning environments. 441 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,000 We all. 442 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,000 Rallyed around the fact that this kind of a program will create the best. 443 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,000 Learning environments for students and for teachers and teaching environments for teachers. 444 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,000 And that in the end is the most important factor. 445 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,000 Although, of course, there are things like energy use and operating costs and maintenance and everything else. 446 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,000 It's an important. 447 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:58,000 But, whatever you do in complex project like this, you're always going to end up in. 448 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,000 Budget priority balances. 449 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:09,000 And we all wanted to and I think it's even part of the resolution that we understood that the most important element is to create high quality learning environments. 450 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,000 And that's what this. 451 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,000 Chips program will help accomplish more than anything else. 452 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,000 I think that's what we're going to see next in our agenda is what we're thinking about for the high schools. 453 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:24,000 And it's all factored in charts and diagrams and everything. 454 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,000 Any other comments? 455 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,000 Nick? 456 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,000 Please. 457 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,000 Good evening. 458 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:43,000 I'm Nick Pelch, I'm your city council representative on this sustainability committee. 459 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:51,000 And thanks very much for giving me the opportunity to do that along with the other committee members. 460 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,000 I think it was an excellent thing to put into place. 461 00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,000 And in fact, I'm hoping that you continue to keep this up in some form. 462 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:06,000 Maybe keeping the committee in place or some in some form revisiting this from time to time. 463 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000 I think that would be wise. 464 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,000 I'm really happy that we landed on this, which is something really concrete. 465 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:22,000 I think that we could have gone in a bunch of different directions and not ended up with much at all or maybe pages of discussion, 466 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:33,000 but this is I think something very concrete that you can choose to implement and choose to vote on and adopt as a school district. 467 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:39,000 And I hope that you do and I really appreciate the work of Allen having putting the presentation together. 468 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:50,000 And the other members of the committee who worked on the resolution and that to me was quite something to see these volunteers step up and do that. 469 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:57,000 So you have something really really well formed in front of you to consider and to vote on. 470 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:08,000 I think that as a member of those that I do have a pension for net zero. 471 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:20,000 But I do also acknowledge that it is a goal right now that the state has and that the state architect is taking up. 472 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:44,000 But I think landing where we did the committee landed on having a goal of net zero ready is is the place to be because I think we need to respond to both the cities, climb action goals and what's coming down the line from the division state architects from the state school. 473 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:52,000 And I also would I thought that Allen suggested that you take. 474 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:58,000 You consider the verification process for chips very carefully is a good one. 475 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:11,000 I think we we had a lot of discussion about how do we avoid the mistakes that might have taken place in some of the other schools and having a third party come in and verify that you know the chips has been followed. 476 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:20,000 I think is an excellent way to help prevent those sort of errors and so I would support that in your resolution. 477 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:28,000 I think we highly recommend that it's not required but we highly recommend that you do that third party verification. 478 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:37,000 And finally speaking to the cost aspect I think that you know one tendency that people can have is to try to build. 479 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:47,000 The biggest bang for the buck the most you can get out out of the money that we now thanks to the voters have or you have to to spend. 480 00:56:47,000 --> 00:57:03,000 Couple of caveats just kind of echoing some of the other things that said that is that I think one of the conclusions of this committee is our hope for the school district is that to have that these new schools have great integrated design. 481 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:14,000 You know not only do they address sustainability and you know the energy aspects but that all is a whole and I think chips you know helps to to figure out how to do that. 482 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:22,000 But we want I think the community and the committee expect there to be. 483 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:30,000 These these new facilities to be facilities that we can really look up to and be proud of as a school district as a community. 484 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:36,000 And you know it could just getting the biggest thing for your money of course is not the way to do that. 485 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:44,000 And I personally believe that there can be a greater cost to choosing you know cheaper design and materials not that anyone's suggesting that. 486 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:50,000 As maintenance costs down the line can you can just trump any any any savings so. 487 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:58,000 You know giving some thoughts to using the the best the state of the art there or the. 488 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:07,000 Best materials and practices as as as exemplified in the best current best practices and as as. 489 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:13,000 As as noted by chips it is definitely the way to go and I personally think that. 490 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:25,000 You are to look at reducing operational costs and I just you know getting closer to net zero as possible I think I personally believe is going to be a. 491 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,000 I big way you can do that so thank you. 492 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,000 Thank you. 493 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,000 Thank you. 494 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,000 Are we ready to move on. 495 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,000 Okay. 496 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,000 Thank you once again. 497 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,000 Our next item is the opening high school class where addition design update. 498 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,000 Thank you. 499 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:56,000 Presvers one trustees this is the review and discussion item on the update from gold Evans regarding the Albany high school classroom addition design team in turn this over to Alan Garney. 500 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,000 Thank you superintendent. 501 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:09,000 As gold Evans is coming up to present I'll just provide a brief background about the process and so. 502 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:17,000 This project came about after the development of the facilities master plan because. 503 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,000 Assumptions in the facilities master plan. 504 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:33,000 I'm going to incorporate the growth that is projected and currently projected with the city of Albany twenty thirty five general plan. 505 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:39,000 And so one of the things that we want to do is. 506 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,000 After we review those. 507 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:56,000 In role as projections and growth projections we wanted to provide flexibility for the high school campus as well as the school district so that. 508 00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,000 As growth does come to fruition we want to. 509 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:14,000 Be proactive instead of reactive. And it would be very difficult to add portables to the high school campus with the current layout. 510 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:28,000 And so this project came about through the discussions of the San Gabriel Design Committee, where this option about a high school, about a, 511 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:36,000 having at the high school on top of the amphitheater was looked at as a strong possibility. 512 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:44,000 And so in the spring, the board proved agreement with school devins in order to research this further. 513 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:54,000 And so we have Bob Baum from school devins to present on the high school classroom edition. 514 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:59,000 Okay? So again, I'm Bob Baum. I'm principal with school devins. 515 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:08,000 And we're lucky at our office of school devins because we, 25 people in three of them are residents of Albany. 516 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,000 So we only hire Albany. 517 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:18,000 So one of them is here at tonight, B.K. Kim in the audience. And he's a, he's a project architect. 518 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:30,000 And one of the others is Lauren Moss, who, who really, sorry not to be able to be here tonight, the longstanding family plans. 519 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,000 But, but she has been leading the project. She's the lead architect on the project. 520 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:47,000 I'll do my best to stand in for her tonight. So I'll take you through this as best I can. 521 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,000 We've been engaged in a, in a collaborative process. 522 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:56,000 And we've had five stakeholder meetings. 523 01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:02,000 And we're here tonight for the meeting with to present to the board. 524 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:09,000 And we have a final presentation and our documents do in, in August. 525 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,000 So process is, is moving along. 526 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:22,000 But, as in all of our projects, the, the, the beginning is to, is to work collaboratively with, with the group. 527 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,000 The community, the parents, the staff, the teachers, and, and, and developed the design. 528 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,000 So this is well. 529 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:36,000 I think well grounded in that process. 530 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,000 So we've done a lot of work in, you know, what's been called 21st century learning. 531 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,000 And I think that has helped to inform this process. 532 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:51,000 And just to go through some of the concepts and discussions that happened with the, with the groups. 533 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:59,000 And, and, and, and also to show you some examples of, of inspirational spaces, some by us, some by others. 534 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:03,000 These are learning centers that were developed in milk that we designed in milpetus. 535 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:11,000 And it was all about creating space for, you know, one-on-one learning with a computer, small groups, project-based, 536 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:20,000 maker-type work. So we, the, that's been one of the principles here to create those kinds of spaces. 537 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:29,000 And then the notion of active learning classrooms and, and there, you know, we're still using a module here that makes sense as a classroom, 538 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:36,000 but it's, it's, is some of it is about how the furniture is used and there's presentation equipment on the, you know, 539 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,000 in whiteboards on the walls and flexible arrangements of tables and chairs. 540 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:48,000 And, and again, all of it in the service of, you know, the fact that the, the teacher is less, the source of the information, 541 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:56,000 but it's more of the sort of mentor and coach and, and helping the students learn, and, and, and, and sort of process that information. 542 01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:01,000 So, trying to create those kinds of spaces. 543 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:08,000 This notion came up, the sort of hybrid social and academic space and, and we see this a lot, 544 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:15,000 even, especially on the high school level, and it, it begins to, to borrow a little bit even from the community college model, 545 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,000 where we try to engage the students and, you know, we want students to spend time in these facilities. 546 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:26,000 You were just kind of talking about that. If we, if we do this right, we get more use out of these buildings. 547 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:36,000 And, and, and I think, you know, the notion that the, the student wants to be there, where there are mentors and, and counselors, 548 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:43,000 and there are, you know, other students and people to collaborate with is, is all, what we want to create. 549 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:49,000 And, again, another example of active learning classrooms and how they're utilized. 550 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:56,000 And then the notion of art and maker spaces and more and more, we know that that's a way, you know, 551 01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:04,000 learning by doing, the, the more engaged students are in making things and doing things, even in our digital world. 552 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:12,000 The, you know, the better they learn and the better they're equipped when they go on to higher education and to go out into the world to participate. 553 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:18,000 So, so this is sort of the, the, the, the image, if you will, the vision of, of the kind of spaces we want to create, 554 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:25,000 specifically, there were principles that were, were arrived at during the meetings. 555 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:41,000 And, some of this is, is a little bit repetitive, what I just showed you in the notion of the maker space, the way the, this new pedagogy and the curriculum and the spaces go together. 556 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:52,000 The sustainability that I really enjoy listening to that conversation, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, what I've always, what I've enjoyed a lot about sustainability is, yes, 557 01:05:52,000 --> 01:06:04,000 it's about saving energy and it's about building out of materials that, you know, health are, are sustainable in the selection of materials. 558 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:12,000 But I really love the notion that we're creating a healthier environment, right, and more natural ventilation and more natural lighting and, you know, and you know, 559 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:28,000 and you know, the more, you know, that the indoor outdoor connection, you know, California and Northern California, this is, you know, this is such a wonderful part of the way we live that, so I think the health environment to me is, is a really important thing. 560 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:37,000 The notion of a student hub and a, and a sort of student centric place, and as I get into the way we've designed the space, I'll talk a little bit more about that. 561 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:53,000 And as I said before, the community and after school usage, you know, to the, not 24 hours a day, but facility, let's say, 14, 16 hours a day that the community is getting benefit from. 562 01:06:53,000 --> 01:07:05,000 And on the left side here, this is important, the flexibility notion and adaptability and, and it was, you know, in this process as much as we've looked specifically at programmatic elements that I'll talk about. 563 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:18,000 There was an overview in a guideline that we had to create flexible space and, you know, that, you know, if the community's going to make this investment spend the money, it's important to be able to. 564 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:24,000 And, you know, use it in a number of different ways as, as things change and as the needs change, so that's an important thing. 565 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,000 And then architectural aesthetics. 566 01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:44,000 I think this is, is important, you know, in terms of the functional parts, but I think we want to create a space that's visually appealing and, and, you know, people want to be there, right? 567 01:07:44,000 --> 01:08:02,000 And I think you can create a new feeling and, you know, of course, this is what we do, but we believe that, you know, the kind of environments we create if they're, if they're appealing and people want to be there and, you know, that, and if they, if they have a freshness to them and encourage people to, to look at things in new ways. 568 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:08,000 So, I didn't want to read all of these, but that's sort of the basic ideas of, you know, that came out. 569 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:21,000 And then just back on sustainability and really this notion that, you know, the goals were identified and, and they, these healthy things, natural lighting, natural ventilation, 570 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,000 net zero ready. 571 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,000 So, that's, that's important. 572 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:32,000 And a well-insulated building, one of the things we know is that we save energy. 573 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:38,000 And one of the ways, the, one of the best ways we save energy is to build a building well, and, and they get insulated, right? 574 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:50,000 And so, you know, it's, it's one thing to, to produce energy and use it, or have mechanical equipment that's efficient, but if we make a building that's by its nature energy efficient, that's really important, you know. 575 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:55,000 We heard about noise earlier, and I know those are fans on the ceiling. 576 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,000 Right. So, this, these fans... 577 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,000 These are the cards to me when we actually talking about it in the meetings. 578 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:06,000 Right. So, these fans are different than, you know, the old, they're not like these fans, which, 579 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:13,000 which run very, they're quick, you know, they're fast, and they make some, I haven't heard these, but imagine they make some noise. 580 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:19,000 These fans, they have a funny name that I probably shouldn't say, but they're big, something fans. 581 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:25,000 And they're, they're like 10, 12 feet in diameter, and they move very, very slowly. 582 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:34,000 And the notion is that they, that slow movement, gets just enough movement to the air to, to make it more comfortable. 583 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:42,000 And, and, and, and it allows us to, create a more comfortable environment by moving the air rather than having to cool it more. 584 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,000 So, they're not actually noisy. 585 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,000 Right. 586 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,000 It's a brand name. So, I guess it's okay, right? 587 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,000 They have a ties in the Sunday Times. 588 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,000 Exactly. Right. 589 01:09:54,000 --> 01:10:02,000 And, and we've installed them, and they, they truly work and, and they're, um, it, it's, it's a good idea. 590 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,000 Um, if I could just add... 591 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,000 Oh, sorry, if I could just add... 592 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:14,000 Uh, one of the interesting things that I learned was, um, with fans and natural ventilation, um, 593 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:20,000 um, an environment that has the same temperature as an environment that doesn't have air movement, 594 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,000 can feel hotter if there's no air movement. 595 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:30,000 And so, just the simple, um, addition of moving air will, um, make it more comfortable. 596 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:39,000 And, it wouldn't trigger the feeling or the need to add coolant to the environment or, you know, pay for our HAC and you 597 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000 such things like that. 598 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,000 All right. So, anyway, that's, that's the type of fan. 599 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:52,000 Um, so programming and design approach should just sort of filtering some of those concepts together. 600 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:59,000 And this is, this is an overlay that we often use, which I, which I think is helps us to visualize the idea 601 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:05,000 of this, uh, and, and, and, and interestingly, it comes from the, some of the notions of retail experience. 602 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:10,000 And it's the five E's and it's, you know, how do you, you know, what's the entry experience? 603 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,000 How do you entice people into the space? 604 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,000 What's the entry experience? 605 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,000 What's the engagement? 606 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,000 The more we can engage people, the, you know, together, the more they learn. 607 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,000 Better they learn, you know, what's the exit experience? 608 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,000 What do you see when you leave? 609 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,000 And, and then, you know, how do we extend that? 610 01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:38,000 And some of that is to do with, you know, you know, you know, even social media and all those kinds of things to, to, to, to, to make that experience a holistic thing. 611 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:44,000 And, and, and so, getting a little bit out of architecture, but it certainly has the architectural component. 612 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:52,000 And so, we looked at the, in looking at the site, we looked at, you know, how, how people would enter this space, you know, 613 01:11:52,000 --> 01:12:00,000 you know, what their experience would be like in the space, what it's like to leave this space and, you know, how do we build on that? 614 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:15,000 We did the more, you know, sort of regular work of programming, which is to determine, you know, what the spaces are, how big the building would be, what the, you know, what are the adjacencies that makes sense? 615 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:21,000 And, you know, so we identified, uh, essentially five learning spaces. 616 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:36,000 One of them slightly larger than the others, a design build lab, a computer lab, and then the sort of, the clinic space, the biomedical and notion of being, that being, 617 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,000 is a great opportunity being closer to the gym and athletic fields. 618 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:46,000 We, we put a lot of exterior circulation in its, it's to the efficiency. 619 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:52,000 It also contributes, frankly, to more natural ventilation and a more healthy environment. 620 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:57,000 And then there are some of these other sort of storage spaces, bicycle storage. 621 01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:03,000 And we came out with a total program area, which is a little over 10,000 square feet. 622 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:16,000 And then I wanted to show you the talk about the site a little bit and how we thought about it, but I should just digress for just a moment before getting into this site. 623 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:26,000 There were some discussions about some alternative ways to create space and, you know, the multipurpose room, the little theater. 624 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:35,000 And, and I think the, the conclusion that was arrived, that was that there were, um, 625 01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,000 neither of those is very efficient or effective way to add space. 626 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:44,000 They either resulted in a lot of good space, nor did they, where they inexpensive, right? 627 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:52,000 And, you know, part of that is, is DSA and, you know, when we do remodels being never as simple as we hope it is in the first place. 628 01:13:52,000 --> 01:14:02,000 So, that was not, you know, this is really more focused on, on the space that's available where the, where the amphitheater is currently. 629 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:12,000 And so, you know, we looked at, you know, we looked at things like where the sun is, where the prevailing winds are. 630 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:20,000 You know, how we enter the space, the relationship to, to, to the, to the, to the park, in this case, in the fields. 631 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:35,000 And, you know, let's see, I think the challenge is the worth talking about that there is a change in elevation across the courtyard of about six feet. 632 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:40,000 So, we tried to come up with a way to improve that situation, make it work better. 633 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:47,000 Um, it's, it's not a big site, uh, and it's got some constrictions that we had to deal with. 634 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:51,000 And then, uh, I'll show you where the existing utility easements are. 635 01:14:51,000 --> 01:15:00,000 And then, obviously, there are disability access upgrades that we, their challenges, but there are also opportunities to, to make the campus. 636 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,000 More accessible campus. And this diagram shows you, I think, one of the more notable things about this diagram. 637 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:19,000 I think I have a larger version, right? Okay. So to the top of the page, which is east, we have two easements. 638 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:28,000 We have the East Bay Midewater line easement and the public sanitary sewer easement. So we can't build over those. So that forms a hard line on the east side. 639 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:39,000 And then, without getting too much into the detail on the other sides, where there are building code related separations between the various buildings that we had to follow. 640 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:53,000 So this sets the bounds of what we can do. And we came up with this design, which is an L shape building. 641 01:15:53,000 --> 01:16:06,000 It's intended to be very welcoming from the entry from Kyurut Boulevard through the campus. It's also, as I'll show you, has a nice connection to the field side. 642 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:11,000 And you begin to get the idea in the landscaping here and I'll show this in three dimensions. 643 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:21,000 But taking that six foot transition of elevation and creating something that looks graceful and connects things together. 644 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:34,000 Right now, the building to the south, you know, is the Gen 7 building is, you know, it's got its own sort of raised terrace in front of it. 645 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:40,000 I think that tends to separate, of course, the amphitheater itself tends to separate things. 646 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:51,000 And then, of course, on the bottom of the page, on the west side, you know, we've got some sort of, we're trying to connect those grades together. 647 01:16:51,000 --> 01:17:08,000 And I think this plan works pretty well. It's, you know, one of the keys is to be where we can transition at a slope, which is less than 120 or actually, you know, it's one in 21. 648 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:16,000 So that it doesn't look like a ramp. It's just a slope surface. Once we go sleeper, then 120, we've got to put all the handrails on and things like that. 649 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:25,000 So people in the wheelchair can traverse it, but it doesn't, it's, it's a more graceful looking kind of thing. So that's one of the principles that we've, we've used here. 650 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,000 There are a few steps in certain places, but there's a very easy movement. 651 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:41,000 As far as the building itself, you see the, on the, on the left side, two of the learning spaces, their size, nine hundred and sixty square feet, which is a standard classroom size. 652 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:50,000 The biomettespace in the corner a little bit bigger and the design build again bigger than that in the upper right. 653 01:17:51,000 --> 01:18:00,000 And then through the kind of breezeway connection to the fields, that's where we've located the, the bathrooms, the toilet room. 654 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:09,000 So there's a men's and women's and then there's a unisex and an elevator of course, and there are two staircases, which are, of course, required. 655 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,000 And we've tried to put them in kind of graceful places. 656 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:23,000 So this diagram just to show, you know, I think it helps to understand that space and to see that, although we're taking up space. 657 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:32,000 I think the experience is going to be actually more spacious because the big element of the amphitheater is, you know, kind of in the way. 658 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:42,000 And, and I know that's a nice of a part to it, but you could see here that the, that the L shape courtyard that we're creating is really going to be much more welcoming. 659 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:46,000 As you come into the, to this area, the campus. 660 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:53,000 And again, went through this, I'm sorry, this is now you're looking at upstairs. 661 01:18:53,000 --> 01:19:03,000 And we were, again, the circulation is outside and this sort of upper circulation area connects to an outdoor learning space. 662 01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:13,000 Again, especially off the, you know, some of the other learning spaces, the idea of the ability to, again, as I said before, we have this wonderful climate. 663 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:22,000 And, you know, we've learned that being outside, you know, has has real cognitive benefits for her students. 664 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:26,000 And so we want to encourage that. 665 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:39,000 And then so this is a three-dimensional image, obviously, with the courtyard, I think you can get a sense here of how welcoming this is and engaging. 666 01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:49,000 The, the roof form is oriented to the south, so that we can, as part of making it, net zero ready. 667 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:59,000 And PV panels can be added to, to get us to net zero or close to net zero. 668 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:08,000 Simple window pattern, but, but I'll show you how that works in terms of daylighting, but, but simple enough that it's reasonable to build. 669 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:16,000 From a cost point of view, and then, you know, a little bit of a fun trick with the stayer to make it more of an engaging element. 670 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:31,000 And, and it, it's done in a way that the path on the west side of the building is, and that's an important path because we have to maintain a 20-foot width back in there from a code point of view, and so that you can circulate underneath it. 671 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:35,000 But that's, you know, one of the more dramatic elements. 672 01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:51,000 And then on the lower right facing south, you can see kind of a special feature where there's a small potential double height space to create some interest in that portion of the building. 673 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:57,000 And then, at, that, of course, was bird's eye level. Now, looking at it more from eye level. 674 01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:16,000 You can see how the ground is sculpted to create, you know, a place, and the transitions are intended to be benches, as well as transitions in grade and mix of stairs and slope surfaces. 675 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:31,000 And I think you can see here that, because we've kept these slopes flat enough, you know, they're, they're, they're not off putting their, they're kind of welcoming the greenery trees, of course. 676 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:44,000 And, you know, I think it's, it's, the space is open to the south and to the west, and then California, and the northern California, the Bay Area, that's a really, really nice orientation, right? 677 01:21:44,000 --> 01:22:00,000 And, you know, sunny, and, you know, things will grow there, I think this could be, you know, as it mature, especially, these, this will be a really kind of wonderful, wonderful place. 678 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:09,000 And I think it'll draw people out, it'll draw people through it, it'll connect people. So, I hope you agree. 679 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:23,000 And then, this is the side facing the, the fields, and I should point out that the materials are meant to be straightforward, but, but provide interest. 680 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:35,000 There are a mix of the, the light color is, is cement plaster, and the darker color is a, is a board siding, which is a cement board, so it's very durable. 681 01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:52,000 And, you know, I, you know, I, final colors, I don't think, we're here, although, I think the notion was to keep it kind of background, and not compete, and let the, let the greenery show, let the setting show, and then in the middle on this elevation, you can see the notion that we have, 682 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:58,000 the notion that we have one feature all, and, and we like the idea, and it would be wonderful to make that a green wall. 683 01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:14,000 I'm sure you've all seen examples of that, but it could be some other thing, it could be artwork, it could be, you know, as, as the ideas get developed, something else could happen there is also benches, you know, are created on that side. 684 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:38,000 And again, here's the, you can see, and what the shows is, the combination of the existing materials, and, and the, and the proposed, and I think, you know, the notion of a bit background and color, so that the greenery and some of the other stronger color elements can, can, can coexist. 685 01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:47,000 And to touch on sustainability, this is a daylight analysis diagram, and, and the, let me see something here from the moment. 686 01:23:47,000 --> 01:24:03,000 So this, what we do here is we measure the, the predicted, the predicted foot can the levels at table height, right, that's what we want to make sure we've got the, you know, the, enough light and not glare. 687 01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:12,000 And so, um, what the shows in the way our window pattern works is that we have really, uh, very good, uh, the yellow is good. 688 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:26,000 And then the areas of blue are less, but those are where the, the toilet rooms and things are, so obviously the need for daylight, it's not as important, and, and I, I should say from experience when we've done this kind of analysis. 689 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:38,000 People tend not to turn the lights on. I mean, it's, you know, they, they really do, it works. We can get enough light in these rooms that, that, that people just, they're comfortable not turning the lights on. 690 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:45,000 And so, um, I think that's a, you know, really kind of encouraging. 691 01:24:46,000 --> 01:25:08,000 Very similar to that earlier diagram of this shows what we're actually doing and from a ventilation point of view, we're, we're bringing in the cooler air down low on on the one side and then, um, the, uh, what they're, what we're suggesting here are these passive stacks and they don't have a fan to just a vertical stack. 692 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:17,000 And it, by natural ventilation, it tends to, the air comes in cooler low and is exhausted out, right up high. 693 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:33,000 So, um, it's, one of the things I love about the discussion of sustainability these days is so much of it is a return to the basic principles of how we, you know, people built buildings for hundreds and thousands of years of, you know, how you, how you create natural ventilation. 694 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:49,000 So, I think this is a modern interpretation of how that works and then the, the big fan is meant to, um, you know, exactly what Alan said, that lowers the need to cool the air, um, and it, you know, it's comfortable. 695 01:25:49,000 --> 01:26:02,000 Um, and the, the potential PVs on the roof, um, so I think all that is, is very good, the, the, um, well, this is just highlighting the night purge. 696 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:17,000 You can actually, you know, in the Bay Area, in many places, if you, you can use the night area, the differential and temperature between the night area, um, so to, to, you can cool it at night to start off cooler in the morning. 697 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:32,000 Um, and then we do have a mechanical, you know, we are suggesting a mechanical system, but it's a very efficient system, as I said before, the key is to control the environment, so we're not wasting energy. 698 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:40,000 And, uh, it's a fairly simple technology that we're looking at, you know, and I think that's important to for maintenance, right? 699 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:49,000 And we've, we've had a lot of success in using smaller individual units rather than, you know, big units that are tougher to maintain, sorry Alan. 700 01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:58,000 Um, that is, uh, one of the goals was just capturing, um, the great environment that we're in. 701 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:18,000 And, uh, using, uh, best practices to reduce the, uh, need to use HAC, but then still have the basic ability for the few days in the year, where it's going to be too unbearable or, or, or whatever, so that staff would have the option of turning it on. 702 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:29,000 But then, um, the expectation is that we're creating such a great environment that they wouldn't need to use it, um, yeah. 703 01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:40,000 And, and I would just report that we've had success if we take these kinds of measures and, and, you know, it's not just ideas, but it actually can work, and especially in this climate. 704 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:47,000 So, but, yeah, I mean, on those days where it's unbearable, we want people to be able to teach and learn in these buildings. 705 01:27:47,000 --> 01:28:01,000 So, um, chips, I enjoyed the presentation, and, uh, so, uh, this is in line with what was explained earlier, and basically, we've identified, uh, 706 01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:09,000 142 points, uh, potentially, that could be achieved, 110 is what's required. 707 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:14,000 And, and we, you know, we do this, this is, this is how we start, basically, by targeting these things. 708 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:28,000 And, the point that was made earlier of that, you know, the fact that the codes have changed so much is really spot on, and, and the, you know, Cal Green now gets you, gets you a long way there, you know, in terms of being chips, uh, 709 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:39,000 meaning chips targets. Um, so, um, you know, there's, would obviously be worked to be done to play all these out, but it's, we've identified it, and, 710 01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:48,000 I think it's pretty comfortable to get there. Again, 142 is, we've already targeted, um, with a minimum of 110 required. 711 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:57,000 We just finished, it took us a little while to get the actual verification, but in unclear elementary school, we just, this last year, uh, 712 01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:05,000 we had the ceremony, which was a lot of fun, um, and the, um, the, the guys ahead of chips came out and, 713 01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:13,000 a little recognition of, of doing a chips, or if I building, so, you know, whether you choose to do that on every building, 714 01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:23,000 I mean, that's something you have to think about, but to target the chips design, I think is really smart, you know, and, and, uh, and dual, you know, 715 01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:32,000 and, and so, and I think it makes a point, you know, which is great. Part of it is, there are things where you even have to, I don't know if you cover this, 716 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:39,000 just a little bit at the beginning, but, you know, there's even some graphics that are created that explain that, you know, 717 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:48,000 the chips features and the building, and I think those are important, because people walk through the building and they learn. 718 01:29:48,000 --> 01:30:00,000 So, um, I think next steps are really for Alan to talk about, um, and obviously I can answer questions. I hope that's a pretty thorough understanding of where we are. 719 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,000 So, so take some questions. 720 01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:16,000 Okay, mostly comments, so one you could address, somebody, I was on the committee, so I've heard 721 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:27,000 all the answers already, but somebody asked before the meeting in an email, why this building is not 722 01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:32,000 sharing a wall with one of the other buildings. There's a problem with circulation in the 723 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:37,000 high school, for example, and not having enough stairs. This could help ameliorate that. 724 01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:42,000 We've talked about bridges between the buildings. I know you would address that. 725 01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,000 Do you want to just answer? Sure. 726 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:54,000 Well, I think part of the answer is that the way in which DSA applies the code can be really 727 01:30:54,000 --> 01:31:03,000 challenging and sort of when you connect buildings, whether it's just sharing a wall or a bridge. 728 01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:10,000 You increase the amount of requirements that anyone has to deal with and they drive up costs. 729 01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:19,000 So, I think the conclusion that was arrived at was that this would be the most cost effective way to achieve your program. 730 01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:28,000 We tried to be very mindful of where we could, certainly in the courtyard, making sure that there's clear paths and we can keep the opening. 731 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:42,000 But it's the code makes it more, you know, it can be just more costly when you put buildings together and trigger lots of other requirements. 732 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:49,000 So, I wasn't in that particular meetings. I don't know if other things were added, but that's my, you know, and I've talked a lot 733 01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:55,000 quite a bit about it, and I wish it was simpler to do those kinds of things. 734 01:31:55,000 --> 01:32:10,000 You know, we come in and make those kinds of suggestions often, but we just when we put that cold light of, you know, of budget, which is important, you know, they just become difficult to do. 735 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,000 Yeah, that's what I heard. 736 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:20,000 I'm going to think about that question, though, and hopefully, you know, having to deal with the nightmare of the staircases in the main building. 737 01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:27,000 Hopefully, if we alleviate some of the overcrowding that should make it a little easier, these two transports. 738 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:33,000 It's still going to be an issue for the kids who have to run down one set of stairs, run across the campus, run up another set of stairs. 739 01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:43,000 But, um, extra pee. Yeah, it's extra pee. I just had a couple of comments. One is that I love that overlay diagram. 740 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:52,000 I'm the one who insisted that it be included in this presentation, where it shows the old amphitheater and the new plan on top of each other. 741 01:32:52,000 --> 01:33:01,000 It really makes you appreciate how even though this is a whole new building on the campus, there's going to be more space for the kids to hang out in. 742 01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,000 Yeah. And I think it'll be a more attractive space. 743 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:09,000 We have a lot of kids leave the campus for lunch. It's an open campus. 744 01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:14,000 And I could see more of them hanging out on campus because they'll have a nice place to hang out. 745 01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,000 I really appreciate that about this design. 746 01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:28,000 The other comment is that this specific building design incorporates that maker space, which is a very specific to a maker space. 747 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:38,000 It has a portion of it that's two stories. It has large garage-type doors, all the power and ventilation and so forth. 748 01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:46,000 There would be needed for a maker space. And if we build this, we are committing ourselves to this program. 749 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:54,000 So I want the board to, you know, be aware that this is a new program in the high school that we've been talking about for a couple of years. 750 01:33:54,000 --> 01:34:01,000 But this is a putting that money down and saying we are committed to building this program at the high school. 751 01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:08,000 I like it. I'm in favor of it, but I don't want any of the board members to just let that pass by without being aware of it. 752 01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:14,000 Yeah, so I noticed that the garage doors are opening, but it's opening at an area that's about great. 753 01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:20,000 Is there any, I've built a car in my maker space. Can I get it out to the street? 754 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:26,000 Yeah, that, that, yes. I was asked and it looked from there. 755 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:30,000 Yeah, it's a little bit odd, but yes, you can get a truck up there. 756 01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:38,000 And that's a relatively unattractive side of the campus. I mean, it's essentially a long alleyway north to south. 757 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:46,000 And there is no access to the field on that side really. So we could imagine doing various things with it. 758 01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:54,000 So only having been on the board year and a half now, I don't know, say the prehistory of all any high and when things happen. 759 01:34:54,000 --> 01:35:04,000 I know the art building is some future point, the little theater will be replaced by maybe a bigger theater, et cetera. 760 01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:12,000 One of the obvious things I could see here, if it didn't really make sense, making this a join the main building. 761 01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:18,000 The gen 7s could go away in favor of two story construction later that makes this a big U. 762 01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:24,000 How much of a problem would that be if 10 years from now those gen 7s go away and an extension of this annex makes it a U. 763 01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:31,000 Is that more easily done than putting a fly over to the old three story building? 764 01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:37,000 Well, probably because this, I mean, I can't, you know, I don't know for sure. 765 01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:43,000 I would think because this edit building is going to be built now, it will be. 766 01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:51,000 And we can think about that also and if there are any aspects of it that need to be sort of intentionally thought about. 767 01:35:51,000 --> 01:36:01,000 I think that's a great idea and I think that's probably the key that we can think about it now if that becomes something you want as a potential flexibility in the future and we can. 768 01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:08,000 Please plan to add to some extent and eliminate some of the problems that we have now in connecting to the other buildings. 769 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,000 Flexibility and flexibility and flexibility. 770 01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,000 We have a comment from New Orleans. 771 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,000 So let's get that one. 772 01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,000 Hi, can you hear me? 773 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,000 Yes. 774 01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:25,000 I have to laugh if you have a comment from New Orleans. 775 01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:32,000 I just wanted to again thank you for the presentation. 776 01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,000 It's a fabulous design. 777 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:47,000 I really appreciate the thought that's gone into this particular design, especially since we've given you a space about the side of the postage stamp to work with. 778 01:36:47,000 --> 01:37:02,000 The other comment I thought I would just add is that this presentation really follows very nicely the previous one because it gives us an illustration of what the ship's framework is. 779 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:11,000 This is a building that's great to have comfortable learning spaces, good learning spaces. 780 01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:15,000 And so much that comes about by working through the ship's framework. 781 01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:24,000 It's a lovely example that you provided us of what was discussed in a more general way in the previous presentation. 782 01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:35,000 The one question I had before you was that there was something here in the ship's framework about the super addition energy option. 783 01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,000 There's 20 points there. 784 01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,000 I was curious what that is. 785 01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,000 I'm sorry. 786 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,000 Can you completely hear that? 787 01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:50,000 It's a 40 point item for a super efficient something on the other side. 788 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,000 Let me take a look. 789 01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:55,000 You know what you're talking about? 790 01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:56,000 You know what you're talking about? 791 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,000 Charlie was reading the chips to the scorecard. 792 01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:06,000 Under under energy, I guess it's page 60. 793 01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:10,000 Right. 794 01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:13,000 Second item. 795 01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:18,000 I can't read it as it's like 89 points or something total possible. 796 01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,000 Yeah. 797 01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,000 Yeah. 798 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:25,000 More superior energy performance of the purpose of energy performance. 799 01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,000 Do you know exactly what that is? 800 01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,000 Yes. 801 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,000 I wouldn't agree with that. 802 01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:30,000 That was all about. 803 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,000 But I don't think Charlie that that's included in one of our design. 804 01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:35,000 Right. 805 01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,000 So I'm not 100% sure. 806 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:41,000 From my experience this is typically what we've taken. 807 01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:47,000 So we're targeting what we think is quite doable. 808 01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:53,000 This would probably take further study to determine if it's doable. 809 01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:59,000 So we've taken as a target the eight points for energy performance, which means, you know, 810 01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:04,000 maybe it's not quite superior, but it's good and advanced energy performance. 811 01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:09,000 I'd have to get back to you with what we're required to get more of those points. 812 01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:14,000 Do you think it's a kind of thing where you get, if you do this, you get 40. 813 01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:19,000 It's probably some scoring of the energy performance and you might get, you know, 814 01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:24,000 10 points or, you know, 6 points or 12 points depending on where you score. 815 01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:32,000 What we're trying to do here is identify we can get to chips comfortably with what we know now. 816 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,000 So it isn't that that couldn't be pursued. 817 01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,000 It's just that this is what we know now. 818 01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,000 Okay Charlie. 819 01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:39,000 Okay. 820 01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:43,000 If you're interested, just know if it's on page 17 on the board packet. 821 01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,000 That's PE1.1. 822 01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:47,000 Yeah. 823 01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:48,000 That's it. 824 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,000 Right. 825 01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,000 I understood it. 826 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,000 Thank you. 827 01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:52,000 I was addressing. 828 01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,000 So I hope that was clear. 829 01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,000 Yes. 830 01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,000 All right. 831 01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:07,000 Going back to the connection with the gen settings. 832 01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:16,000 One of the items I was brought up during the discussion was when the pool was built and one 833 01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,000 of the gen settings were installed. 834 01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:23,000 If there was additional money to add more than four classrooms, 835 01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,000 I believe that definitely would have been done. 836 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:33,000 But the money that was available was sufficient for the four classrooms. 837 01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:39,000 And so that's what put a one story for classroom wing there. 838 01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:54,000 And so one of the things that was incorporating the conversations was that we wanted to be very flexible with this space 839 01:40:54,000 --> 01:41:03,000 because we recognize that on the campus this is really the last usable space on surface. 840 01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:06,000 And so we want to make it flexible. 841 01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:12,000 We want to make it adaptable to unknown changes from the future. 842 01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:23,000 But then really maximize that space to tie in the various buildings so that it's not just this. 843 01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:27,000 One building here and then a different building there. 844 01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:41,000 And people could really see those differences of when they were installed or what we wanted to try to tie that whole campus together. 845 01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:44,000 Any other comments questions? 846 01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,000 I have a question. 847 01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,000 Yes. 848 01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,000 I was also on the design team. 849 01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:53,000 I learned those the answer to this but we talked about all the wonderful. 850 01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:58,000 I'm a cement space that's there that could be a skateboarders dream. 851 01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,000 I was thinking. 852 01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,000 And so one of the questions I had asked about was, 853 01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:08,000 you know, how do you keep this beautiful architecture which by this very impressive. 854 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:15,000 And not have to put all those little metal pieces that could actually to track from the architect. 855 01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:19,240 and Alan, they talked a little about soft cement or something. 856 01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:21,400 Can you just talk a little about that? 857 01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:22,560 I mean, thank you. 858 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,840 Or maybe you could talk more about that? 859 01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:25,760 Not surfaces. 860 01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,760 Soft surfaces to deter skateboarders. 861 01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:29,760 Right. 862 01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:31,200 There are a number of devices. 863 01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:38,280 And there are those, even if we'd win and put some of those, I learned today it's 864 01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:42,480 they're called, what are they called, skateboard prevention devices? 865 01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:48,680 I was looking for some fan to your turn than that, but there are ones that can be more 866 01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,000 of like an art piece or something like that. 867 01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:52,320 So there were ways to do it. 868 01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:59,720 Dan at an embarked errand San Francisco, there are those like little sea creatures, but 869 01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:07,160 there are also more technology that allow us to create the surface of the concrete that's 870 01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:11,080 not quite as preferred. 871 01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:18,160 Seeing as how we want students and other folks to be able to sit there, you know, little 872 01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:27,720 sea creatures can be uncomfortable to sit on, but I mean, you know, first-hand knowledge, the 873 01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:32,960 amphitheater has been, it's famous in the Bay Area, it's famous in California actually, has a 874 01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,040 skateboarders heaven, so we really don't want to repeat that. 875 01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:42,680 I spent almost every afternoon for four years chasing skateboarders, it's not deep 876 01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:43,680 fun. 877 01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:45,960 Go on now. 878 01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:51,720 So, so it looks like all of the rooms in this have an external exit. 879 01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:55,840 If you were going to use this for after-hours community, et cetera, you've got the issue of only 880 01:43:55,840 --> 01:44:00,400 opening up the room or rooms you want, as opposed to a room where you're going to use a classroom 881 01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:04,640 in the main building, you've got the front door and then you've got people on the loose. 882 01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:06,520 So I like that. 883 01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:13,960 I don't know what plans we would have for 16 hour, 20 hour use would not, but it's nice to have 884 01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:14,960 that option. 885 01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:16,960 That's a good design. 886 01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:17,960 Yeah. 887 01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:18,960 Really happy with it. 888 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:19,960 Thank you. 889 01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:26,280 Well, unfortunately Lauren's not here to hear more, but she and B.K. have done a great job, so you can pass 890 01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:27,280 on the word. 891 01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:29,560 We'll do. 892 01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:31,760 Seeing no more comments. 893 01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:32,760 Yes. 894 01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:48,440 I was also on the high school design committee, and I also really appreciate this design. 895 01:44:48,440 --> 01:44:53,480 It does everything we ask for in a very quiet, sensitive way. 896 01:44:53,480 --> 01:44:59,200 It's a very difficult site to design a building for with the imposing high school building 897 01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:00,200 on trees. 898 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:24,000 So I'm very happy and can support this project. As a community member, I want to say just a couple of things. One is that I would like to see our district do a really good job at trying to maximize the potential of our existing buildings, as well as building new buildings. 899 01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:37,000 And in this particular case, the multipurpose room is an underutilized space, and I feel a sadness that we are putting that we're building this addition without addressing an underutilized space. 900 01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:51,000 And there is a repeated refrain that DSA will, you know, the requirements that DSA will bring upon an existing building makes it impossible with our budget constraints. 901 01:45:51,000 --> 01:46:02,000 Just ask that we return to this and really consider the reuse of our existing buildings when appropriate for our budget, because we're trying, that is a flexible space. 902 01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:10,000 It's a flexible building and we want to repurpose it and reuse it. And that's exactly what we're trying to do with our new construction as well. 903 01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:16,000 So let's not, I would advocate that we continue to investigate those options. 904 01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:26,000 And then real specific about the design, there's three little tiny things that I would like to comment on. One is the overhang on the gymnasium building. 905 01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:34,000 It is like a little stage on the gym and the building is forced to be clear of it by a certain distance. 906 01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:43,000 To me, that overhang is just like the tower, the glass block tower is remnant of some big idea that the original architects had. 907 01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:47,000 And here we are using it to govern where we locate the building. 908 01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:54,000 We've talked about doing that as an alternate, including revisions to that overhang as an alternate and I would advocate for that. 909 01:46:55,000 --> 01:47:06,000 The daylighting diagrams, I think that be great if the bridging documents can be a little bit more developed in that, because they were at 70 focandles. 910 01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:14,000 So what we want to see is that they are hitting that 35 focandle mark, so that it's controlled lighting in the space. 911 01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:26,000 So, and if we leave that up to the design build team, I don't know if we'll get what we're looking for, so that's probably the next step that Golden Evans will be going through is fine tuning that. 912 01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:43,000 And then the last is the green wall idea, it looks great, I love it, but it would be great if that was vetted by the biology staff, so that we know that it will be a big part of the curriculum and maintained and really embraced by the community. 913 01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,000 Thank you. 914 01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:51,000 Diana, before you, can I just want to ask a question of clarification on your point about the multipurpose room? 915 01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,000 So you're referring to that room that they eat in, right? 916 01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,000 That's the one you're talking about. 917 01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:56,000 Yes, that's all right. 918 01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:57,000 The cafeteria. 919 01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:58,000 The cafeteria, the thing. 920 01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:59,000 Okay. 921 01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:10,000 And so in your reference to it's being underutilized and trying to make it more used, were you talking then about the initial question, 922 01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:24,000 and what it asked about actually a type of bridging, connecting another building with that, though I didn't understand how it's underutilized or what we were considering. 923 01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:29,000 What we could do to make it, you know, more utilized in this context. 924 01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:39,000 Right, so the team, the design team and committee with Golden Evans had a couple of meetings where we explored could it be used for the temporary offices. 925 01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:51,000 Was it big enough could it be used for the makerspace because it's a two story space located right on the corner also great access for bringing in large objects and trucks and that kind of thing. 926 01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:55,000 And it was originally designed that way as the shop apparently. 927 01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:59,000 So it has a great affinity for that in its original design. 928 01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:05,000 So we looked at that and then I think at some point, I missed that discussion. 929 01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:09,000 The committee was decided it wasn't in the budget probably to pursue it. 930 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,000 Ellen could come in on that. 931 01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:21,000 But I, I just, it's currently we don't need all of them all of that cafeteria for queueing when you get your food. 932 01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:27,000 That's part of what it's used for long lines for them at the counters and then also for seating. 933 01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:31,000 And then the other use is the dance studio. 934 01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:32,000 Right. 935 01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:40,000 So, but it's, it's not taking up the whole space and it, and it's not in my opinion, it's not the best place for dance. 936 01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:45,000 I'd like to see them in their own studio if we have four to five classes of dance a day. 937 01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:47,000 That's significant. 938 01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:48,000 So. 939 01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:52,000 Yeah, there was discussion of what could be done with that. 940 01:49:52,000 --> 01:50:01,000 There was a lot of, at one point, a lot of people thought that it would be great to use that for the makerspace. 941 01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:06,000 Since it was built as an auto shop and seemed a natural place for it. 942 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:14,000 But the teachers on the committee pushed back pretty strongly saying that that space is used a lot. 943 01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:23,000 It's used pretty much all day long that there really is no place else to put the kids for lunch. 944 01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:28,000 And that it's, you know, also used a lot as a dance studio. 945 01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:35,000 We talked about maybe moving a dance studio in the new building and that it just never quite can't out. 946 01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:42,000 And I'm not saying that it couldn't if people spent more time brainstorming and thinking and working on it. 947 01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:47,000 But in that context in that committee. 948 01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:52,000 People there just couldn't quite come to that within the budget. 949 01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,000 I do agree that it's that space. 950 01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:58,000 I think has a lot of potential. 951 01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:01,000 We couldn't quite get there. 952 01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:04,000 I wouldn't be opposed to it being looked at some more. 953 01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,000 Originally the. 954 01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:07,000 The kitchen was not here. 955 01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:08,000 So the the being. 956 01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,000 Yeah, that's part of the shop. 957 01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:15,000 So that that's where those big doors are where things are delivered now for the kitchen. 958 01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,000 Oh, sevens is where that. 959 01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,000 It's next. 960 01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:20,000 Yeah. 961 01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:23,000 So I mean on the other side where the yeah. 962 01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:24,000 Go on. 963 01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,000 If I could just ask that. 964 01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,000 A future for me. 965 01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:33,000 I'm bringing an item to. 966 01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:40,000 For gold Evans to look at maximizing the multipurpose room, just as far as. 967 01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:44,000 Layout and options so that we can incorporate it into the. 968 01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,000 And then it's not a. 969 01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:53,000 And item that gets lost as things get moved forward. 970 01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:56,000 And I mean, there's a lot of problems with that room. 971 01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,000 Ventilation and all those kinds of things. 972 01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,000 Mr. Council member. 973 01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:10,000 I think so just a couple of quick comments on and actually I thought maybe. 974 01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,000 Diana's going to mention the. 975 01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,000 The two story window. 976 01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:18,000 The issues the potential issues with solar gain. 977 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,000 I when you when I can include my comments. 978 01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:24,000 You might want to if you want to speak to that. 979 01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:28,000 And I've been interested also knowing what the secure bike storage is. 980 01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,000 That's very very. 981 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,000 Yeah, very interesting to me. 982 01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,000 When I heard that there might be store a bike there. 983 01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,000 I thought bike racks for there not not a good idea. 984 01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:40,000 But if it's secure storage that could be a cage or something. 985 01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:43,000 That could be great. 986 01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:47,000 And it is I do agree it's a great design. 987 01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:50,000 And I was very happy to see the roof pitch. 988 01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:52,000 The PV ready. 989 01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:55,000 And so I ask you why not do PV. 990 01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:58,000 You know, if we can afford it. 991 01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:01,000 Well. 992 01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:05,000 And I think the secure bike storage is bike racks with bulls. 993 01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,000 We can have more discussion on it. 994 01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:11,000 It's preliminary. 995 01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,000 Should I address those questions. 996 01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,000 Yeah, so we get on. 997 01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:21,000 The the secure bike storage is envisioned as a fence caged area. 998 01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:24,000 I think there might be some backstory to that I don't know. 999 01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:27,000 So that's what it is. 1000 01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:30,000 It's a place to secure bikes. 1001 01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,000 And then in this drawing. 1002 01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:40,000 We're showing is a series of horizontal elements that would shade that window. 1003 01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:44,000 And and that's a on a south facing window. 1004 01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:50,000 That's a pretty common way to do it because it blocks the high sun and the summer and 1005 01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:55,000 let's the the low sun in the winter which can be a good thing. 1006 01:53:55,000 --> 01:54:07,000 I can only say sort of artistic license in that drawing. 1007 01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:10,000 And it's not it's not yet precisely laid out. 1008 01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,000 You'll be more discussion. 1009 01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,000 We'll see you then. 1010 01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,000 Thank you very much. 1011 01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:18,000 You're welcome for all the work and thank everyone else. 1012 01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:22,000 Yeah, and thank you for the opportunity to work with you guys. 1013 01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:26,000 Moving on. 1014 01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,000 And thank you, charter. 1015 01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,000 Okay. 1016 01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:35,000 Review an action resolution number 2015-16-20. 1017 01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:39,000 Sustainability and design and construction of high performance schools. 1018 01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:43,000 And I know we had a number of comments that you were reflecting on. 1019 01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:44,000 So. 1020 01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:48,000 Yeah, I'll just turn it over to this is a review and action item. 1021 01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,000 Thank you. 1022 01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:55,000 So it's another guys review an action in the agenda in the board pack up. 1023 01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:58,000 I'm a secondly put review and discussion, but it's. 1024 01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:01,000 Really brought for review an action. 1025 01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:04,000 This is a resolution that was developed. 1026 01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:09,000 With the sustainability integrated design committee. 1027 01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:13,000 Utilizing the chance that chips template. 1028 01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:18,000 But then updating it and incorporating all the new values. 1029 01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:24,000 In to the resolution. 1030 01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:28,000 This resolution is designed to. 1031 01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:33,000 Trying to encourage the participation in chips. 1032 01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:37,000 With the flexibility of. 1033 01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:41,000 Maybe utilizing it for. 1034 01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:47,000 Some projects, but then others that are maybe small and scale or. 1035 01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:50,000 Not feasible for whatever reason. 1036 01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:54,000 The board would have that ability to. 1037 01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:59,000 To make that determination. 1038 01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:02,000 And it incorporates. 1039 01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:05,000 It's encouraging that. 1040 01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:09,000 Any facility project we do is. 1041 01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:12,000 In line with the. 1042 01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:16,000 City of Albany general plan that was developed as well as the. 1043 01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:20,000 Climate action plan and the goals. 1044 01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,000 And achievements that are embedded there. 1045 01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:26,000 As well as just being. 1046 01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:29,000 As well as incorporating. 1047 01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,000 Systems and routine. 1048 01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:34,000 Updates to the board so that. 1049 01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:39,000 You know, sustainability and efficiency resource efficiency is. 1050 01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:41,000 Is a is a. 1051 01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,000 Always up the forefront for for for Albany. 1052 01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,000 And so with that. 1053 01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:47,000 You know, we could open up. 1054 01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:51,000 Any questions or. 1055 01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,000 So we have some modifications. 1056 01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:54,000 I think. 1057 01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:55,000 Okay. Well, one. 1058 01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:57,000 Alan responded to. 1059 01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:59,000 The second whereas. 1060 01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:02,000 It's not really a full sentence. 1061 01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,000 You had. 1062 01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,000 Rewarding for that one that was fine. 1063 01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:11,000 They all been a unified school district work closely together. 1064 01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:12,000 It's not. 1065 01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,000 So that is a part of your medical. 1066 01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:14,000 It's you. 1067 01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:15,000 And to be transparent. 1068 01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:20,000 I plagiarized from the city of Albany general plan. 1069 01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:25,000 It's led. 1070 01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:33,000 So it's fine in be city of Albany plant because it was referencing the city's. 1071 01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,000 Perspective in working with. 1072 01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:37,000 The school district. 1073 01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:41,000 And it didn't work in the city it didn't work as far as. 1074 01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:44,360 as the school district working closely together. 1075 01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:47,640 So you started reworking for this, which was, 1076 01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:54,280 it's it up one, which is, it's says that the school, 1077 01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:57,800 we should get that up on the screen. 1078 01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:00,760 And because we want to make sure we have the exact wording 1079 01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:03,560 that we're going to vote on it. 1080 01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:05,720 I have an email. 1081 01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:09,160 The Albany Unified School District, the City of Albany, 1082 01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:11,640 and community will work closely together. 1083 01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:13,080 Right. 1084 01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:15,000 That's good. 1085 01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:16,360 Work goes, yes, good. 1086 01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:17,480 OK. 1087 01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:19,080 That's fine. 1088 01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:23,320 My other comment, this is a little bit more complicated. 1089 01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:24,920 That's not what I'm going to do. 1090 01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:25,720 Oh, yeah, well. 1091 01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:32,760 I saw a couple of those, but I've gotten tired of it. 1092 01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,080 Anyway, on this, on the next page, I'm 1093 01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:41,880 under the results, there's a lot of results in this one. 1094 01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:46,920 Three up from the bottom. 1095 01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:49,640 Resolved further that the Board of Education 1096 01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:54,840 directs staff during the design phase of the remaining project, 1097 01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:57,000 in the current construction and modernization program, 1098 01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:01,880 and all such future projects to require architects and staff 1099 01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:04,760 to verify that their district projects 1100 01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:09,960 have met or exceeded the minimum requirements for CHIP certification 1101 01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:13,000 and report the scores for all of the CHIP categories 1102 01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:15,960 that strongly recommends project participation. 1103 01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:20,280 I have a problem with that resolved, 1104 01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:25,880 because there's no mention of any bounds. 1105 01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:28,120 There's no mention of budget. 1106 01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:32,360 So, for example, 10 years from now, we decided to do a modern, 1107 01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:37,400 you know, a minor modernization program at Cornell School, 1108 01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:39,720 we would be required by this resolution 1109 01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:42,120 to bring the whole school up to CHIP's code, 1110 01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:47,000 which I don't think is probably ever going to be in our budget. 1111 01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:52,520 So, I just need to have something in here that 1112 01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:59,880 put some bounds on this, that the recognizes that there are budget. 1113 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:14,000 Constance, in some cases, you know, you could just take out the required, take out the required, the Board of Education, direct staff during design phase, 1114 02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:26,000 modernization to ask architects, to direct architects, you know, something less than require, request, right? 1115 02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:32,000 You know, just something that gives us a little bit of wiggle room if it's just going to be beyond our budget to do this. 1116 02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:37,000 Do you want to include the escape clause or the board can decide if it is not likely to be finished? 1117 02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:39,000 If feasible to board may weigh the weight of this required? 1118 02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,000 Yeah, that would be fine to any. 1119 02:00:41,000 --> 02:01:01,000 You know, I'm sorry, usually I suggest specific wording, but I kind of wanted to leave it up to the people who worked on this to come up with wording for that, but I just really can't require every modernization program in the district. 1120 02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:11,000 To meet chip certification, every time, knowing what I know now. 1121 02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:14,000 There's a lot of sense to me. 1122 02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:17,000 I'm thinking the same. 1123 02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:23,000 Sometimes I know in other items, you've used the wording to the extent possible. 1124 02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:24,000 Yeah. 1125 02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:29,000 Maybe we could use some kind of language there. 1126 02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:35,000 That's an easy way out. 1127 02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:39,000 So in all of the teacher projects. 1128 02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:42,000 To the extent. 1129 02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:45,000 To require to the extent. 1130 02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:47,000 We'll try to determine or exceed it. 1131 02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:52,000 That's a word to record. 1132 02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:57,000 I think if you just see to the extent possible, it doesn't limit it to just fiscal. 1133 02:01:57,000 --> 02:02:04,000 It would be inclusive, but what would happen if you want to be possible is a little bit, you know, because you're well, it's possible. 1134 02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:10,000 You know, it may cost more than, you know, but it's possible, so. 1135 02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:13,000 Well, we're designing this for the board that isn't us. 1136 02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:14,000 Yes. 1137 02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:15,000 You're right. 1138 02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:20,000 And I think if you say where unless it's not possible, you're giving too much wiggle room. 1139 02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:24,000 Whereas you put it in an actual, you will do this. 1140 02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:28,000 Unless the board says it is was in, well, that's not really in the budget. 1141 02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:32,000 I couldn't put it, put it something that says unless the board directs otherwise. 1142 02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:38,000 I have a suggestion since Paul brought out that the people who wrote this should. 1143 02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:40,000 Should answer this question. 1144 02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:47,000 Maybe we can send that back and bring it back as a consent item at our next meeting. 1145 02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:49,000 That would be fine, you know. 1146 02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:51,000 Instead of us hammering it out now. 1147 02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:52,000 So. 1148 02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:53,000 Coming up with. 1149 02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:54,000 So let's clarify. 1150 02:02:54,000 --> 02:03:00,000 So if it's a consent item, it means that it's usually going to be something that's just accepted by us. 1151 02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:01,000 Right. 1152 02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:03,000 And we can pull it forward. 1153 02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:04,000 We can send it. 1154 02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:05,000 Right. 1155 02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:10,000 But but usually when it's on the consent, the assumption is that it is. 1156 02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:13,000 And I know that is. 1157 02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:17,000 Well, let's say who is going to do it. 1158 02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:18,000 Who's. 1159 02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,000 It's you and Charlie. 1160 02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:22,000 Okay. 1161 02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:23,000 Okay. 1162 02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:24,000 So. 1163 02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:25,000 So. 1164 02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:26,000 You start. 1165 02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:28,000 It's Charlie still with us. 1166 02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:29,000 I think so. 1167 02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:30,000 Yeah. 1168 02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:31,000 I am here actually. 1169 02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:32,000 And I do have a suggestion. 1170 02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:33,000 I'd like to. 1171 02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:35,000 Okay. 1172 02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:36,000 I. 1173 02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:38,000 I definitely hear what you're saying. 1174 02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:40,000 And I. 1175 02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:41,000 I would concur. 1176 02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:43,000 The board wishes to. 1177 02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:48,000 Have some revisions made and then bring it back to the consent calendar. 1178 02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:49,000 I'm fine with that. 1179 02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:54,000 I think maybe the language you're looking for could be. 1180 02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:56,000 Instead of saying. 1181 02:03:56,000 --> 02:04:00,000 To require architects and staff to verify that. 1182 02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:05,000 The language you're looking for might be. 1183 02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:10,000 To get a require or to request architects and staff to need. 1184 02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:15,000 And then. 1185 02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:18,000 And then it's just the question of. 1186 02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:21,000 We're asking them to determine. 1187 02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:25,000 Basically, chip scores and report the scores. 1188 02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:29,000 And and and that's all that's that's what we're asking. 1189 02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:30,000 I. 1190 02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:31,000 Charlie. 1191 02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:32,000 Maybe. 1192 02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:35,000 You can rework this and maybe we'll bring it back. 1193 02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:36,000 As a action item. 1194 02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:38,000 You know, you know, Charlie that that. 1195 02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:43,000 I answered my objection, but might be a little bit too weak because we want them. 1196 02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:48,000 Not just to determine if but to attempt to do it. 1197 02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:49,000 That. 1198 02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:52,000 How can I. 1199 02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:53,000 I think. 1200 02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:55,000 Just a little bit. 1201 02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:57,000 I think that might have an answer here. 1202 02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:59,000 I actually I have a suggestion. 1203 02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:00,000 Yes. 1204 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,000 Instead of saying to take the part where it says that the Board of Education direct staff. 1205 02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:05,000 Take that piece out. 1206 02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:13,000 And it would be resolved further during the design phase of the remaining projects in the current and finish that sentence. 1207 02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:18,000 And then just tag in unless the Board of Education direct direct staff. 1208 02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:19,000 Otherwise. 1209 02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:20,000 Okay. 1210 02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:25,000 So the the Board of Education come during the design phase of the remaining projects in the current construction 1211 02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:28,000 Modernization program also for the project. 1212 02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:32,000 So I would take out the wording that the Board of Education direct staff. 1213 02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:33,000 Take that out. 1214 02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:37,000 No, there's a problem in there because it doesn't. 1215 02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:38,000 The problem. 1216 02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:43,000 The problem right now is that you don't have your computer set up so we can see across now. 1217 02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:44,000 I. 1218 02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:45,000 I have a suggestion. 1219 02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:48,000 It's just not and it's not just because I'm trying to avoid work. 1220 02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:57,000 I think that I think Paul, you know, has some strong feelings about the wording and he works very well with Charlie who seems to have some ideas. 1221 02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:02,000 So how about they form a little subcommittee to bring us back. 1222 02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:12,000 I trust them in the conversations that we've had to to to bring back language, which would. 1223 02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:14,000 I, yes, that I'd be happy with that. 1224 02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:17,000 And I think Val has a germ of an idea here. 1225 02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:20,000 No, I'm not I'm not I'm a green was with Pat that. 1226 02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:22,000 Yeah, no, but I think. 1227 02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:24,000 I think I could work with what you just suggested. 1228 02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:25,000 So. 1229 02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:26,000 What? 1230 02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:28,000 You could really work together. 1231 02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:29,000 Okay. 1232 02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:30,000 Wait a minute. 1233 02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:31,000 I'm not. 1234 02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:32,000 I'm not. 1235 02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:33,000 I'm not. 1236 02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:34,000 Okay. 1237 02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:35,000 I'm not. 1238 02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:36,000 I'm not. 1239 02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:37,000 I'm not. 1240 02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:38,000 Okay. 1241 02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:39,000 Okay. 1242 02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:40,000 No, I don't. 1243 02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:42,000 I don't know if Charlie has agreed. 1244 02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:44,000 He was very sorry. 1245 02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:45,000 Okay. 1246 02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:46,000 Okay. 1247 02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:47,000 Okay. 1248 02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:48,000 Charlie. 1249 02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:49,000 Give me your salary for the next three. 1250 02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:58,000 So the agreement Charlie would be that you and Paul would work on the language and we would bring it back. 1251 02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:01,000 On consent at our first August meeting. 1252 02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:05,000 It would not be ready for the July meeting because we'd have to post the agenda in two days. 1253 02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:06,000 Right. 1254 02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,000 Give that a point. 1255 02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:09,000 But. 1256 02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:13,000 And then just to let the people know who have sat through this meeting to support this. 1257 02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:15,000 I think. 1258 02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:19,000 The other board members can contradict me if if if if I am. 1259 02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:22,000 Miss speaking, but I think. 1260 02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:25,000 Everyone appreciates the resolution. 1261 02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:32,000 The support it would just want wanting to be very careful in the language because it. 1262 02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:38,000 It's going to direct future board members who aren't us and so we want to make sure that it's it's clear. 1263 02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:40,000 How strong. 1264 02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:41,000 That recommendation. 1265 02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:42,000 Yes. 1266 02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:43,000 Thank you. 1267 02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:44,000 And I agree. 1268 02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:45,000 I'd say I support the resolution. 1269 02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:47,000 It's just that one small tweak that I wanted to. 1270 02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:54,000 And I'll caution my my fellow board members to read it carefully because it becomes back and consent and any of us want to pull it. 1271 02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:57,000 I have to have to make sure we we've seen it. 1272 02:07:57,000 --> 02:08:02,000 I'll just jump in here there. 1273 02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:13,000 I just pulled up the resolutions online and what we had pulled from was chips resolution that mandate minimum certification, which is what we were recommending. 1274 02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:23,000 But there is a different template and it is the using chips as a resource and you know there were like 30 schools that took the mandate. 1275 02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:27,000 And there are only one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. 1276 02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:29,000 They did it as a resource. 1277 02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:34,000 So we can look at that and maybe get some help from that language as well. 1278 02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:44,000 And I think the problem is with the current projects that we're looking at, you know, but in the future we don't even know if chips will exist and what's in me. 1279 02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:48,000 And they're getting something 10 or 20 years out. 1280 02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:51,000 Doesn't make sense. 1281 02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:53,000 Okay. 1282 02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:54,000 Okay. 1283 02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:55,000 Okay. 1284 02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:58,000 So we are putting that on our August agenda. 1285 02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:01,000 We put them to our gender committee. 1286 02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:04,000 And that brings us to second reading adopting more policy. 1287 02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:07,000 Sixty one, fifty two, placement in mathematics course. 1288 02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:09,000 I think this is actually the first reading. 1289 02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:11,000 I think it was. 1290 02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:13,000 Ah, table. 1291 02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:15,000 First reading. 1292 02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:17,000 No, we did talk about it. 1293 02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:19,000 We did read and talk about it. 1294 02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:21,000 And we do this week. 1295 02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:27,000 We put this on as a second read, but rather than put it on consent, it was decided that there would probably be additional discussion. 1296 02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:29,000 So we brought it back as an action item. 1297 02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:33,000 Because I had a lot of changes asked for the last time that didn't happen. 1298 02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:38,000 So I don't think we actually discussed it. 1299 02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:39,000 The resolution. 1300 02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:41,000 We talked about. 1301 02:09:41,000 --> 02:09:46,000 Math placement, but I don't think we talked about the actual board policy. 1302 02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:47,000 We're having. 1303 02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:48,000 Oh, I said it's a good distinction. 1304 02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:49,000 I might be right. 1305 02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:51,000 There's no rush to pass this. 1306 02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:52,000 Where is there? 1307 02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:53,000 We have a statement. 1308 02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:55,000 We don't really need to pass this. 1309 02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:56,000 We need to pass this. 1310 02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:58,000 Because the state says that it will just be passed. 1311 02:09:58,000 --> 02:09:59,000 Yeah. 1312 02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:02,000 So let me just talk a little bit of introduction here. 1313 02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:03,000 If I could get. 1314 02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:04,000 It's called. 1315 02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:13,000 We can't pass it unless we are agreed to all the language. 1316 02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:19,000 Let's take. 1317 02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:20,000 Anything. 1318 02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:21,000 Okay. 1319 02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:22,000 So the. 1320 02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:23,000 No. 1321 02:10:23,000 --> 02:10:24,000 I'm going to work. 1322 02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:25,000 Can we put this up? 1323 02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:28,000 It's going to be a little bigger because. 1324 02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:30,000 It's a little plus in. 1325 02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:34,000 We're not going to stay on this document for for the duration of the meeting. 1326 02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:37,000 I just want to call attention to the backup. 1327 02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:42,000 So that I can reintroduce since there has been time that is passed. 1328 02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:45,000 Thank you. 1329 02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:48,000 So. 1330 02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:50,000 On October 5th, the governor approved Senate bill 359. 1331 02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:52,000 The California mathematics placement act. 1332 02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:56,000 The legislation requires governing boards that serve pupils entering grade nine. 1333 02:10:56,000 --> 02:11:00,000 To adopt a fair objective and transparent mathematics placement policy. 1334 02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:03,000 Before the beginning of the 1617 school year. 1335 02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:05,000 At May 10th, school board meeting. 1336 02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:09,000 The Board of Education engaged in a robust discussion about the new mathematics placement policy. 1337 02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:15,000 And recommended revisions to ensure that the policy reflects the district's values related to equity for students and all grade levels. 1338 02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:20,000 Furthermore, the board recognized the value for district staff to engage in more than. 1339 02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:25,000 In more substantial and authentic conversations about equity and bias rather than simply receiving training. 1340 02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:27,000 Those were one of the highlighted topics. 1341 02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:33,000 And during that time, I took notes on a Microsoft board document, which I'll now transfer up to my screen. 1342 02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:36,000 That reflect the revisions that were suggested. 1343 02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:45,000 Both during that meeting and afterwards from board members who submitted questions and responses. 1344 02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:47,000 Okay, can I add a little bit more background here? 1345 02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:49,000 Because there was a question. 1346 02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:52,000 The last time this was on. 1347 02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:56,000 The agenda when we I'm pretty sure did not actually discuss it. 1348 02:11:56,000 --> 02:12:01,000 About why there's all this stuff in here about elementary grades. 1349 02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:08,000 When the actual mandate is to write a policy about placement of math courses in the second years. 1350 02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:11,000 And the reason is because I asked for it. 1351 02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:23,000 And the reason I asked for it is because I think that if you're only looking at math placement in the second areas, you're way too late to fix the problem. 1352 02:12:23,000 --> 02:12:30,000 And so we don't have the kids before they start school, which is where you really want to attack it. 1353 02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:37,000 But we can at least start in the elementary grades addressing the problem. 1354 02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:48,000 So I wanted our policy to go well beyond the SESPA recommended policy and address that issue if we can. 1355 02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:50,000 So it's just a point of information. 1356 02:12:50,000 --> 02:13:00,000 On the Tuesday, May 24th agenda, the second reading was scheduled, but we postponed it, but I haven't found the first reading yet. 1357 02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:02,000 Yeah, I don't think there was one. 1358 02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:04,000 I'm going through a month. 1359 02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:06,000 No, there might have been. 1360 02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:10,000 It might have just been the straight CSBA version. 1361 02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:12,000 And then I asked for changes to that. 1362 02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:17,000 I don't remember, but I'm sure that we never discussed this version. 1363 02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:26,000 My recollection was that they, if the first version was, it was the CSBA. 1364 02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:29,000 I was on our, I haven't now. 1365 02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:32,000 It's on our Tuesday, May 10th agenda. 1366 02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:34,000 And I have to find the actual page. 1367 02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:36,000 And I know you'd asked for revisions. 1368 02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:41,000 And then we did not have a chance to discuss this at the last board meeting. 1369 02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:44,000 So we moved it and created this board meeting. 1370 02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:46,000 So what, let's, let's move on. 1371 02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:52,000 So on the 20 page, 27 on that first one, it was. 1372 02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:54,000 Is the actual board policy there? 1373 02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:55,000 Yes. 1374 02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:56,000 Yes. 1375 02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:57,000 Okay. 1376 02:13:57,000 --> 02:13:58,000 Yes. 1377 02:13:58,000 --> 02:13:59,000 I just found it. 1378 02:13:59,000 --> 02:14:01,000 All right, so let's go on. 1379 02:14:01,000 --> 02:14:02,000 Yeah. 1380 02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:04,000 I just want to make sure we clear and get that on the record. 1381 02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:05,000 Okay. 1382 02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:09,000 So if I could go, if it's helpful to the board, I can go through. 1383 02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:13,000 The language of the policy as it was presented on May 10th as well as the strikeout. 1384 02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:16,000 It's an addition that we're already included. 1385 02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:19,000 And so you'll see that through the document here. 1386 02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:28,000 The first change was to strikeout the word courageous and change that word to insightful. 1387 02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:34,000 The next change was instead of creating language that went on and on in a paragraph format. 1388 02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:38,000 Instead to create a bulleted listed format. 1389 02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:41,000 Recognizing these particular issues. 1390 02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:45,000 Tell me if I'm going too fast, you can always stop me there. 1391 02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:51,000 A third change was to change language instead of saying a positive experience. 1392 02:14:51,000 --> 02:14:52,000 Let me go backwards. 1393 02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:56,000 A child's self perception of their competencies and mathematics begins very early in life. 1394 02:14:56,000 --> 02:15:00,000 And that parents, teachers and community members need to be aware of the impact. 1395 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:13,000 That encouragement and high expectations can have on the long-term future of a child's education in mathematics, instead of a positive experience. 1396 02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:19,000 There was some reordering of vision statement, and also some drafting of the new language. 1397 02:15:19,000 --> 02:15:28,000 This addition says that the district will encourage and facilitate training and education for parents and guardians of preschool and elementary school students to help them engage. 1398 02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:39,000 In insightful conversations about issues of bias and about the impact of encouragement and high expectations on later achievement in mathematics. 1399 02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:41,000 A change here. 1400 02:15:41,000 --> 02:15:57,000 There was a request to add teacher and or counselor to the list of people who could disagree with the placement of a student's initial mathematics course and to the list of people who may appeal the decision. 1401 02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:09,000 So before this version, teachers and counselors were left out in it just said that a student and his or her parent. 1402 02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:12,000 And further, those were the revisions that I took note of. 1403 02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:14,000 And there was another courageous. 1404 02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:18,000 There was another courageous. 1405 02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:23,000 On the non-discrimination and district programs. 1406 02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:27,000 You made the change you didn't highlight it. 1407 02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:29,000 Engage in insightful conversations. 1408 02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:31,000 Oh, sorry. 1409 02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:32,000 Sorry. 1410 02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:34,000 So it should have been here. 1411 02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:37,000 Go ahead. 1412 02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:38,000 Sorry. 1413 02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:43,000 So I very much like the addition of teacher and counselor. 1414 02:16:43,000 --> 02:16:52,000 If you look at different identification programs and different districts that have been revised for identifying gifted children. 1415 02:16:52,000 --> 02:17:05,000 That's one of the things that they want to make sure you know prevents bias that it's not just sort of your stereotype of the upper middle class parent pushing their kid forward. 1416 02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:14,000 But there are many caring adults in a student's life who might be able to help that recognize that young person's talent and pushing forward. 1417 02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:16,000 So I really like that. 1418 02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:17,000 I need a little clarification. 1419 02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:24,000 I don't understand why you can't have, I mean, it's fine to take a courageous, but then why can you put it in insightful. 1420 02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:25,000 So I just need a little clarification. 1421 02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:27,000 Well, I think I'd be ahead to give a better word. 1422 02:17:27,000 --> 02:17:30,000 I thought courageous is kind of. 1423 02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:34,000 Doesn't mean anything for one thing or it means too much. 1424 02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:35,000 I mean, right. 1425 02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:37,000 You've coined courageous conversation. 1426 02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:38,000 Courageous. 1427 02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:39,000 Right. 1428 02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:41,000 It's too emotionally laden. 1429 02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:43,000 And insightful is not. 1430 02:17:43,000 --> 02:17:44,000 Yes. 1431 02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:46,000 But if you've got a better word, I'd be glad. 1432 02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:52,000 You know, my problem with it is it's sort of the buzzword of the actually the buzzword of last year. 1433 02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:54,000 Not even a courageous conversation. 1434 02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:55,000 Courageous conversations. 1435 02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:59,000 I don't like keeping those in the future. 1436 02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:00,000 People are going to say what? 1437 02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:01,000 What would he talk about? 1438 02:18:01,000 --> 02:18:02,000 Engage in serious conversations. 1439 02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:04,000 You could just say engage in conversations. 1440 02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:06,000 I'm not way too insightful. 1441 02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:09,000 I just don't really like those adjectives. 1442 02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:11,000 It's like you're just like not in personal experience. 1443 02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:12,000 Isn't it? 1444 02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:15,000 But we are just picking one above and the other. 1445 02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:17,000 And what's I don't. 1446 02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:21,000 Actually, I would prefer to strike the attitude then. 1447 02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:25,000 Well, I mean, I'm actually wondering about the word conversation. 1448 02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:28,000 So I mean, what do we really want to do? 1449 02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:32,000 Yeah, conversation might be a little weak. 1450 02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:35,000 We want dialogue. 1451 02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:36,000 What do we want? 1452 02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:38,000 Yeah, I like that. 1453 02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:39,000 I'm just going to say that. 1454 02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:42,000 We have dialogue is good. 1455 02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:44,000 Engage in dialogue. 1456 02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:46,000 These are important dialogues. 1457 02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:51,000 Because dialogue has a stronger connotation. 1458 02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:53,000 You're just chatting about it. 1459 02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:55,000 Yeah, you're engaging in dialogue. 1460 02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:57,000 I feel comfortable with that. 1461 02:18:57,000 --> 02:19:00,000 And I feel more comfortable with striking the adjectives. 1462 02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:01,000 Because I think it's a bit over time. 1463 02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:02,000 I'm happy with that. 1464 02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:05,000 Take out the insightful conversations and just change it to engage in dialogue. 1465 02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:07,000 I like that better. 1466 02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:08,000 That's. 1467 02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:10,000 I'm happy with that. 1468 02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:11,000 Okay. 1469 02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:14,000 So I have a couple that I didn't say. 1470 02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:16,000 Do you have any more? 1471 02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:17,000 No, I think that's mine. 1472 02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:18,000 I'm just wondering. 1473 02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:22,000 Do we include the U.E. and dialogue in America? 1474 02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:23,000 Is that British? 1475 02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:25,000 We put it in the United States. 1476 02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:27,000 Okay, happy present. 1477 02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:28,000 Okay. 1478 02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:30,000 I'm happy with that. 1479 02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:32,000 I'm happy with that. 1480 02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:34,000 On the first page, Peter, 1481 02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:35,000 and I'm sorry. 1482 02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:37,000 And it's in the third paragraph. 1483 02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:39,000 To the extent possible. 1484 02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:40,000 I'm sorry. 1485 02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:41,000 I'm sorry. 1486 02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:42,000 I'm sorry. 1487 02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:43,000 I'm sorry. 1488 02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:44,000 We don't want to strike conversation. 1489 02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:45,000 Dialogue. 1490 02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:46,000 Oh, yeah. 1491 02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:47,000 You do. 1492 02:19:47,000 --> 02:19:48,000 You do. 1493 02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:49,000 So that actually makes it perfect. 1494 02:19:49,000 --> 02:19:50,000 Which is good. 1495 02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:51,000 Good. 1496 02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:52,000 Perfect. 1497 02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:53,000 Okay. 1498 02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:54,000 Thank you for waiting. 1499 02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:55,000 I'm sorry. 1500 02:19:55,000 --> 02:19:56,000 Okay. 1501 02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:57,000 Where can I go next for? 1502 02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:58,000 Third paragraph. 1503 02:19:58,000 --> 02:19:59,000 In this first page. 1504 02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:00,000 I go. 1505 02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:01,000 Yeah. 1506 02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:02,000 And I'm sorry. 1507 02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:03,000 To the extent possible. 1508 02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:05,000 Like that. 1509 02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:09,000 I think we, I would love to see that's stringent and saying, 1510 02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:12,000 this could student shall be provided an opportunity. 1511 02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:16,000 I don't see why it's the extent possible that sort of orders it down. 1512 02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:17,000 It does. 1513 02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:18,000 It does a little bit. 1514 02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:19,000 I would. 1515 02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:21,000 I don't remember who came up with that wording. 1516 02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:22,000 Probably Peter. 1517 02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:25,000 But to me, that's just a little bit. 1518 02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:28,000 Much for our special needs. 1519 02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,000 Kids who can't be. 1520 02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:32,000 Given that opportunity. 1521 02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:36,000 Well, but they provided the opportunity. 1522 02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:37,000 And that's. 1523 02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:39,000 We should provide the opportunity. 1524 02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:40,000 Some students came. 1525 02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:41,000 Can't. 1526 02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:42,000 Or take of it. 1527 02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:43,000 Okay. 1528 02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:44,000 I wouldn't argue. 1529 02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:48,000 But I mean, this, this, this, this says that, you know, 1530 02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:49,000 well, if it's not possible. 1531 02:20:49,000 --> 02:20:51,000 And it doesn't say, you know, 1532 02:20:51,000 --> 02:20:54,000 the special needs to do something like that. 1533 02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,000 Same like a little bit too much of a weasel out. 1534 02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:57,000 Yeah. 1535 02:20:57,000 --> 02:20:58,000 Sounds a little weaseling out. 1536 02:20:58,000 --> 02:20:59,000 Okay. 1537 02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:00,000 All right. 1538 02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:01,000 Everybody else. 1539 02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:03,000 Okay. 1540 02:21:03,000 --> 02:21:06,000 I've asked Charlie if he would like to wait in. 1541 02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:09,000 And I'm. 1542 02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:11,000 Sorry. 1543 02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:12,000 It's midnight. 1544 02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:13,000 Where he is. 1545 02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:15,000 He said he says. 1546 02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:17,000 I tend to agree with Ron. 1547 02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:18,000 Thank you. 1548 02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:20,000 It's nice to have. 1549 02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:26,000 Down in the third from the bottom. 1550 02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:30,000 The governing board recognizes that there is. 1551 02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:37,000 There are significant gaps in opportunity in achieving for certain groups of students. 1552 02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:40,000 That I don't know why that also bothers me. 1553 02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:42,000 Certain groups of students. 1554 02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:46,000 I mean, we're, we're. 1555 02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:48,000 Students in a. 1556 02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:50,000 Yeah, but. 1557 02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:51,000 Well. 1558 02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:53,000 I can, I can live with it. 1559 02:21:53,000 --> 02:21:54,000 Just. 1560 02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:55,000 I think the term. 1561 02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:56,000 Yeah. 1562 02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:58,000 I think the term achievement gap. 1563 02:21:58,000 --> 02:21:59,000 It's also. 1564 02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:02,000 We'll become a term and already has become a term that is. 1565 02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:03,000 It's going away. 1566 02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:04,000 Yeah. 1567 02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:05,000 It became a bit more obsolete. 1568 02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:06,000 It made smooth. 1569 02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:08,000 And that to opportunity gap to. 1570 02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:09,000 I'm to. 1571 02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:10,000 I'm to serve students in it. 1572 02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:11,000 It for that language. 1573 02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:12,000 That work. 1574 02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:13,000 I would change. 1575 02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:14,000 Yeah. 1576 02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:15,000 Okay. 1577 02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:16,000 I can live with it. 1578 02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:18,000 I think that was it. 1579 02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,000 I had courageous. 1580 02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:21,000 Okay. 1581 02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:22,000 Thank you. 1582 02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:24,000 Good. 1583 02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:26,000 I'm happy. 1584 02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:27,000 You know what? 1585 02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:28,000 So with the revision. 1586 02:22:29,000 --> 02:22:31,000 We've got over our time and we didn't extend the. 1587 02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:32,000 Did we? 1588 02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:33,000 What was our time? 1589 02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:34,000 A 45 is the German. 1590 02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:37,000 Oh, I've moved that we continue the meeting until nine o'clock. 1591 02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:38,000 Thank you. 1592 02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:39,000 Okay. 1593 02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:40,000 That's fine. 1594 02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:41,000 Okay. 1595 02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:42,000 Good. 1596 02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:43,000 Does the border. 1597 02:22:43,000 --> 02:22:44,000 Agreed to. 1598 02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:46,000 Bring this for approval tonight. 1599 02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:48,000 I'm given the changes that have been made. 1600 02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:49,000 Yes, I will. 1601 02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:51,000 I will move that we approve. 1602 02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:52,000 More policy. 1603 02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:54,000 652.1 with the. 1604 02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:56,000 Change is specified tonight. 1605 02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:57,000 Do we have a second? 1606 02:22:58,000 --> 02:22:59,000 All in favor. 1607 02:22:59,000 --> 02:23:00,000 Hi. 1608 02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:01,000 Hi. 1609 02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:02,000 Thank you for the work. 1610 02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:03,000 Yes. 1611 02:23:03,000 --> 02:23:04,000 Charlie. 1612 02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:06,000 Charlie says approve. 1613 02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:07,000 Okay. 1614 02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:08,000 Can I. 1615 02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:09,000 Can I make a call it? 1616 02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:10,000 Yes. 1617 02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:14,000 So this work is dear to my heart. 1618 02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:21,000 But even more important is the reception from the parent and teaching community of this work. 1619 02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:24,000 This conversation when it was passed. 1620 02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:33,000 By California was a conversation I brought to our teachers and they're very anxious and eager to move forward with this. 1621 02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:36,000 It gives them permission to have more difficult. 1622 02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:39,000 Maybe courageous, maybe insightful conversations. 1623 02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:44,000 Several of the middle school teachers have signed up along with me to attend a county wide. 1624 02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:53,000 Monthly conversation around how to advocate for social justice using mathematics instruction and how to elevate student achievement. 1625 02:23:53,000 --> 02:24:06,000 And I have a parent engagement committee who selected math and science for next year as an opportunity to focus on student achievement. 1626 02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:08,000 So they appreciate the support. 1627 02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:09,000 They've told me that. 1628 02:24:09,000 --> 02:24:13,000 They appreciate the board's focus at the policy level along with. 1629 02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:16,000 The district's focus at the action level. 1630 02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:17,000 Thank you. 1631 02:24:17,000 --> 02:24:19,000 Thank you. 1632 02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:22,000 We have any comments from the good or. 1633 02:24:23,000 --> 02:24:26,000 I just want to ask Charlie make sure he doesn't need too much gumbo. 1634 02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:29,000 And we are adjourned. 1635 02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:54,000 Thank you. 1636 02:25:22,000 --> 02:25:24,000 Thank you. 1637 02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:54,000 Thank you.