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The council will take a break at approximately 7pm this evening if needed, with regard to decorum in the chambers we want tonight's proceedings to be as civil and respectful as possible. Please do not make any personal tax and please no applause or snapping or any other outburst during the meeting.

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The meeting will go a lot smoother if we all get along.

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We're going to start with proclamations and presentations. Councilor Grout.

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Thank you, Ms. Madam President.

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Let's see. Tonight we have a proclamation recognizing Albuquerque Public Schools, selfless seniors.

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Dr. Gabriella Duran Blakey, APS Superintendent, and Shannon Barnhill, the Executive Director of APS Education Foundation, are here to accept.

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And then we have a few of our recipients here as well.

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Y'all would come down to the podium.

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I don't see Dr. Blakey. She must have gotten busy.

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She's busy looking traffic.

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Something like that.

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But I am so glad to see you all. I'm very proud of you all.

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Thank you for being here this evening.

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Okay. Today, we're as, where as Albuquerque Public Schools Education Foundation established the selfless senior program,

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to recognize students who quietly contribute to our community through selfless acts that do not earn a lot of fanfare or recognition.

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And whereas Albuquerque Public Schools Education Foundation has partnered with Frank Frost on this initiative for the last 17 years.

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To recognize and celebrate these students for their dedication to their schools and their commitment to serving others.

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And whereas students from APS schools are nominated by their friends.

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Schools staff, their families or community members, and most have never been publicly thanked or praised for their contributions to our community.

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And whereas the young people chosen for the class of 2025 represent the best of our city and our hope for a bright future and they are from Albuquerque High School Kaylee Shelton.

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From a trusco heritage academy high school, Leana Belmer, Maris from Cebola High School, Ryan Ramirez from Del Norte High School, Jasmine Montoya from El Dorado High School, Charles Epp from Highland High School, Philippe Hernandez from La Cueva High School, Clay She.

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I'm in Zano High School, Maddie Espinoza from New Futures High School, Amari Salomon, Elu.

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I probably butchered that I'm sorry.

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From next year in Academy High School, Danny Figueroa from Sandy High School, Eli Crowley from Valley High School, Alicia Padilla from volcano Vista High School, Kaylin Montoya.

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And Wes Mesa High School, Noah Chavez.

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He had proclaimed that the council, the governing body of the city of Albuquerque, hereby recognizes the Albuquerque Public Schools Education Foundation, class of 2025 seniors and thanks them for their service to our community.

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Thank you all.

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Ms. Farnhill, could you talk a little bit about these kids and what you all do and what they're doing and where they're flowing and then we're going to have you come by.

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So, shake everybody's hands.

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Okay. Thank you so much.

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Councillor Grout, President Basan and fellow counselors and citizens I honored to be here to recognize these amazing incredible soon to be graduates.

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And on behalf of the APS Education Foundation, we are honored to have this population in their name.

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I know 17 years ago when Frank Frost came to us with this idea, he was thinking, gosh, it's time to show the community about our students and how they are impacting our community through their selfless acts and they're not the quarterback of the football team, they're not the valvictorian.

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These are these are individuals who are making a difference directly with their fellow classmates.

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So I wanted to also say that we applaud the families for raising such an amazing young people here today.

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And I am also here with one of our student board members that sits on the foundation board with 30 community and business board members.

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And he has a little bit to say about the selfless seniors.

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And it's Henry Newcomme from Attersco Heritage County.

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Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that these selfless seniors have given back to their communities and I have witnessed it myself participating with many of them.

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And I just want to say that they represent the greater school community, inspiring acts of selflessness as they themselves have committed within us.

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The underclassbin, the middle schoolers and the elementary schoolers.

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And now, because of this proclamation, they represent the generous spirit of the city of Albuquerque and inspire acts of selflessness in its constituents.

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And they inspire us to give to those who need champion and important cause, give voice to the voiceless and make our city a better place for all.

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Thank you.

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Dr. Blakey's here now.

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Hi.

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Just Blakey is here.

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We're so excited that she is.

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So thank you.

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Coming.

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We would be glad to accept this honor.

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As you can tell, they're they're they're selfless and so they're quiet.

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They're shy.

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But we appreciate every of them and what they bring to our communities.

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Thank you, Madam President.

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I can just say that if this gentleman is an example of all of these people, you guys chose well.

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I just wanted to see if you could maybe just you have.

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Say their names real quick.

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Hang on one second, everybody.

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We want you to come through here.

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Let's hear from the counselors real quick.

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I just wanted to say hi to the student that I know that worked with me on the Mayor's Youth

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Now come on through and congratulations.

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You know what I mean.

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Congratulations to those selfless seniors real quick.

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Anybody who is remaining standing in the chambers due to fire code restrictions and all the other rules in place that I don't even know about.

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Can you please find a seat?

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I'm going to go ahead and hopefully is it okay with you if I call down from HR for the presentation that's next.

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I'm just going to call them down to get started if that's okay.

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So moving on.

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We have a presentation.

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This was requested by counselor Grout.

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And this presentation is for Mr. Ian Stoker director of the city of Albuquerque Human Resources Department who will provide an update on employee anti human trafficking training.

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Welcome director and I know that.

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Counselor Grout's going to have probably several questions, but.

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We're going to let her deliver that and you can go ahead and begin.

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Well, thank you very much.

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Madam President members of the council.

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As you said, I've been asked to give a brief presentation on the status of our anti human trafficking awareness campaign.

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This was in response to your resolution are 2442.

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So.

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There we go.

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Director, can you speak up or can we have the volume raised a little bit please.

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I'll point my voice at the microphone a little better.

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So the resolution provided specific goals for the human for human trafficking awareness campaign include particular training for city employees as well as signage.

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So during the summer and fall of 2024 our human trafficking awareness campaign team met that was made up of members from the human resources department aviation transit.

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We came up with a plan for how to address the resolution and that was implemented in two major ways training and signage.

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So for training the human resources department identified or track down three different training protocols.

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One for general city employees that we identified on our knowledge city learning platform.

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By the aviation department through their connections with the TSA and AFR updated and existing anti human trafficking training to be serviceable for all of our public safety employees.

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To fulfill the requirement the administration adopted administrative instruction 7-3 which required all city employees to undertake this training on an annual or by annual basis based on the particular needs of their departments.

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The training we began implementing it at the end of 2024 in either late November but certainly by December to all new employees through our new employee orientation program.

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Other employees were asked to begin taking the training and it was made available to them in January and it continues.

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As of today we have had 3,956 employees take the training.

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We also added a new web page to the city's website where they can identify much of the same information provided in the training and other signages.

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It's available at cabq.gov forward slash human dash trafficking.

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In terms of the signage that we have provided and put up the aviation department was able to obtain signage again through the TSA that signage has been put up in public areas.

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And restrooms throughout the Sunport beginning in December and ongoing.

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The transit department has also begun putting up signage at the Alvarado Transit Center, all of their other transportation hubs, all art stations, all bus stops, shelters and in every bus.

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That effort is ongoing.

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HR acquired signs that are being put up throughout the restrooms here in city hall as well as the Plaza Del Sol building.

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And we will be adding it to our digital billboards that are available in every elevator lobby throughout the building.

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In the future we will plan where we are going to provide signage that can be put up in restrooms.

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In community centers and senior centers. And just to pay that, we'll begin in March. Here are some examples. On the previous page, there are a few signage examples. These are examples from the Sunport.

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In terms of expenses and what this has cost, the primary expense has been for licenses through the city's electronic learning management platform knowledge city.

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We, the cost of about $24,000 is being, is partly for pro-rated licenses that will get us through the contract renewal time for that, which is in late May, early June.

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And the other portion is going forward in the next year. The licenses are assigned one per employee, so for each employee that needs to take this training, they have to have a license.

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So that's why we had to increase the number that we had available, so that we could have everyone take these trainings.

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We have also paid for the printing of signage as well as plastic sign holders for them to be put out.

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That is what I have to share. Do you have any questions?

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Councils are grow.

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Thank you, Madam President. Thank you director for that presentation. I do have a few questions.

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Our 42 asked the administration to educate city employees on the signs and indicators of human trafficking and the proper protocols for reporting suspected cases.

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I did take the training and the video did a good job of describing the problem of human trafficking, but I didn't see where it described what we should do if we see it.

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That's that was my takeaway from that.

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The resolution also asked the administration to collaborate with local anti trafficking organizations and law enforcement.

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Could you please explain to me how you've collaborated on this training?

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We've collaborated internally with APD in terms of law enforcement.

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With who? APD.

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The representative of law enforcement.

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And frankly human resources has not reached out to other community organizations.

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As we move forward, we will continue to work with our partners in economic development and the office of equity inclusion to further those collaboration.

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So thank you. Have you developed and distributed outreach to the city employees?

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In the form of the training that they are required to do.

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That's just that. Okay.

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The information about human trafficking on the HR website is excellent.

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So I thank you for that.

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I was that information being distributed to employees.

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Forgive me. I forgot my etiquette. Madam President.

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Counselor Grout is being distributed to employees both through the training that they are asked to watch.

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The signage that we're being put up.

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And through the website itself.

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Thank you. Can you tell me how many people have not taken the training that you sent the emails to?

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So if just under 4,000 employees have taken the training that leaves about 2,000 that still need to take the training.

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We also have. I appreciate all the information you've provided tonight.

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We do have staff and council services that are very passionate about this project as well and stopping human trafficking.

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And they would love to help as well.

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We have contacts in the community who have also offered to help.

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And I'd sure like to take them up on that offer.

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So can can our office reach out to you and collaborate with the information that we've shared or that we've learned and some really good.

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Local people that are interested in helping.

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I think it would be a good idea.

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Of course, they can reach out to me directly or my associate director.

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Home darling.

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The spearhead of this project for us.

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Okay. Tom Darling. Thank you.

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We do have an opportunity to address this horrible problem in our city.

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And I think we can make this training even more impactful.

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So I'll look forward to having working with you and getting this getting the words out.

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Councillor Champagne and I have met with our staff and.

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And we have some really fun ideas that I think would be impactful in this area as well.

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Thank you, Madam President.

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Director Stoker, I was just wondering what kind of collaboration did you do with the.

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What did you talk about what were the discussions.

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Madam President.

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I personally did not have the conversation.

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My understanding is that my team did reach out to them.

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Find out if the content of the training that have been prepared.

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Suffice for their needs.

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And what that being said.

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It'd be really important for you to actually make sure that you talk to the officers.

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So they can actually give you ideas of what.

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What they could see even when it's being hidden from plain sight when you're dealing with human trafficking.

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That's something that is done over and over and over and over and even police officers missed those signs.

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And so it's really really important that not only maybe do you train with APD.

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But also get some good ideas from them.

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And also make sure that they have other options as well to actually address these situations.

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Madam President, I noticed that on your signage, you don't have any local numbers listed on the signage.

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You have a number that says 2, 3, 7, 3, 3, 3.

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I think that's a national number, isn't it?

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Madam President, Councillor Sanchez.

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And even when you look at other local resources, they all refer back to the national number.

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Okay, so if somebody sees the human trafficking occurring right away.

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How do they, I mean, that signage should say probably to call emergency phone number or or somebody that can actually deal with it or knows what to do in reference to the human trafficking.

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So there's any way that you can maybe put local numbers on the signage.

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So let's say for example, if you're in the airport, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually have the airport police number listed on that signage?

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Madam President, Councillor Sanchez, we can certainly look into adding additional phone numbers to future signage.

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I mean, so what do you think?

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I mean, is that not logical to actually have the APD or the police officers that are assigned to the airport be able to be contacted through airport dispatch.

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Madam President, Councillor Sanchez, I don't disagree.

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Okay, you don't disagree.

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I think that's something that you probably should get done just so that we can make sure that if somebody is involved in human trafficking,

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right where the signs are that they have the right person to call.

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I would definitely appreciate that.

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Thank you.

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Councillor, is any other questions or comments?

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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We are moving on to agenda item five.

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The journal I move approval of the February 19 journal.

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Second.

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There's a motion in a second by Councillor Sanchez.

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Councillor's any discussion?

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All those in favor of the motion to approve the journal, raise your hand and say yes.

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Anybody opposed?

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That passes unanimously.

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Moving on to communications and introductions.

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Are there any changes to the letter of introduction?

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Councillor Lewis and Baca.

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Madam President, I move the rules to be spent for the purpose of placing our 22 on tonight's agenda for action.

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Our 22 is establishing minimum staffing requirements for Albuquerque fire rescue rescue apparatus.

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There is a motion.

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There's a second by Councillor Baca.

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Councillor, is all those in favor of the rules to suspension.

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Raise your hand and say yes.

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Yes.

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Anyone opposed?

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That passes on a need to one.

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Councillor's Baca and Sanchez.

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Thank you, Madam President.

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I move that the rules be suspended for the purpose of placing our 124 on tonight's agenda for action.

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Our 124 is amended to adoptive capital implementation program.

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A city of Albuquerque by implementing current appropriations.

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The result by the Council of Government bodies, a city of Albuquerque.

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There is a motion.

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There is a second.

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Second from Councillor Sanchez.

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There is a motion to suspend the rules for immediate action of an R124.

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Councillor's those in favor.

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Please raise your hand and say yes.

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Those opposed?

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That passes on an eight to one.

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I move approval of the letter of introduction.

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There is a motion and a second by of Councillor Grout.

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Councillor's all those in favor of the motion to approve the letter.

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Raise your hand and say yes.

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Anyone opposed?

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That passes unanimously.

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Moving on to reports of committees.

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Councillor Feeblecorn.

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Thank you, Madam President.

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The land use planning and zoning committee met on Wednesday, February 26.

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The reports out the following item.

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In the matter of 073 that it do pass.

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I make a motion to accept the committee report.

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There is a motion in the second by Councillor Shampine.

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Any discussion?

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Councillor's those in favor of the acceptance of the committee report.

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Raise your hand and say yes.

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That passes unanimously.

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I know you all know what to do back there.

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But just so that we're fair to everyone.

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Can you please find a seat?

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Those standing in the chambers.

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Please make sure that you find a seat.

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There's more seats over here.

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Thank you.

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Moving on to deferrals and withdrawals.

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Councillors, are there any deferrals or withdrawals at this time?

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Seeing none, we're going to move on to the consent agenda.

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Are there any changes to the consent agenda?

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Councillors.

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For those individuals on tonight's consent agenda, who are being approved to serve on a border commission.

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Thank you for your willingness to serve.

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I will say I've worked really hard to fill my remaining seats.

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I think I've done it.

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But there are several districts that I was talking to Mr. Manzano and it would probably be really nice.

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If you all worked to fill those in your districts for those of you that might have a vacancy.

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So with that, I would like to move approval of the consent agenda.

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There's a motion in a second by Councillor Grout.

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Any discussion?

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All those in favor of the motion to approve the consent agenda?

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Raise your hand and say yes.

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Yes.

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Anyone opposed?

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That passes unanimously.

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Moving on to announcements, Councillor Rogers?

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Thank you, Madam President.

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Though we'll be a local government coordinating commission special meeting tomorrow Tuesday March 4th at 5 o'clock.

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In the Bernoulli County building can Sanchez commission chambers.

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This will be a hybrid meeting.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Grout.

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And in President there will be six intergovernmental legislative relations committee meetings on Wednesday March 5th at 5 p.m.

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Saturday March 8th at 10 a.m. Wednesday March 12th at 5 p.m.

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Thursday March 13th at 10 a.m.

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Friday March 14th at 10 a.m.

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And Saturday March 15th at 5 p.m.

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Be a Zoom video conference.

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There will also be a committee of the whole meeting on Thursday March 6th at 5 p.m.

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in the Vincent E. Grego chamber.

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Basement level of the Albuquerque government center.

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This will be a hybrid meeting.

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Councillor champagne.

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Thank you, Madam President.

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There will be a finance and government operations committee meeting.

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Monday March 10th at 5 p.m.

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here in the Vincent E. Grego chamber's basement level.

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Of the Albuquerque government chamber center.

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This will be a hybrid meeting.

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And council.

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Thank you, Madam President.

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There will be a land use planning and zoning committee meeting on Wednesday March 12th at 5 p.m.

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in this room.

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And it will be hybrid.

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Thank you, Councillors.

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There are no financial instruments or appeals tonight.

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So we are going to move on to general public comment.

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Members of the public can provide live public comments to the council in person.

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Or virtually if they have signed up for public comment for the instructions.

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Published on our agenda and on our website Friday.

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The public comment ground rules are that each participant will have one minute to present.

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Comments are to be addressed to the councillors only through the council president.

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And any disruptive conduct will result in removal from the meeting.

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Once your time limit is up, Abel will ring to indicate that time has ended.

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Mr. Cornelias, if you'll please call the first speaker.

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Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Our first speaker is Rob Spella, followed by Miguel Tinnon.

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And then while you're coming down, Mr. Spella, for those of you that are next.

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If you'll come down to the front and be ready for when it's your turn to speak after that, it would be appreciated.

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Hello.

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Are you guys here?

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Okay.

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Yes.

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So I've been with AFR for about 20 years now.

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I'm a paramedic on a rescue.

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I would like to encourage all of you to vote in favor of the staffing model,

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retaining our current staffing model.

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I've seen the other model and I have some concerns.

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One of the concerns I'd like to express is when a single unit responds to an emergency.

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And it's a marginal situation.

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This is, we call them Charly calls.

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They have a need for rescue, a need for ALS, but not necessarily we need a fire engine and a rescue.

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Just the rescue response.

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And this new model, we will still have these calls,

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where we're going to have just a rescue, a single medic and a basic.

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Right now, in the city of Albuquerque, you guys get two medics on a rescue,

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responding to one of these marginal emergencies.

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If it ends up being acute, you have two medics.

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They're able to simultaneously provide care, interpreting advanced cardiac rhythms,

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providing medication, cross-checking medications for weight-based doses for pediatrics,

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and delivering life-saving electricity beyond the scope of an intermediate or basic.

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I would just like you guys to consider that when voting for this.

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Thank you.

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Miguel Tubman, followed by Greg Montoya.

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Sorry, I just noticed we only have a minute.

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Good evening, Madam President.

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Counselors, some here to rise in support of our 25 to 122.

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We thank the sponsors for bringing this important discussion to a public forum.

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I stand here before you represent and rank and file fire fires behind me,

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who honorably and bravely served Albuquerque at all times.

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These firefighters range from fire fire to fire.

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Thank you.

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The challenge, chief and everything in between, anti-basic, intermediate and paramedic. We have firefighters in all kinds of divisions, including a depth, heart, FOC, arson, fire marshes office, training, dispatch, all uniquely and qualified and synchronistically, providing support to our frontline firefighters, our frontline firefighters that provide the great service that we do.

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One of the reasons for this great service is our two paramedic rescue system.

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The two paramedic rescue system that we've been honing for 40-plus years in this department. You're going to hear some retirees speak on behalf of that tonight.

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And we ask for your support.

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Greg Montoya, followed by Sam Trujillo.

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Madam President, Councillors, thank you for the opportunity to speak for you today. I'm here to express my strong support for maintaining our two paramedic staff in our rescue apparatus.

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The resolution that is vital to the health safety and wellbeing of our community.

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Reducing paramedic staff in would create unnecessary risk for our residents and first responders alike. We cannot afford to take a step backward when it comes to emergency medical service.

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Especially when we know that well equipped and well-staffed rescue save lives.

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Beyond the immediate medical impact, maintaining paramedic staff and also strengthens our city's overall level of care for ALS responses on transport capable units.

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This also ensures paramedics are able to cross-check medications or coordinate treatment, eliminating the disparity of having a partner with the lesser licensure at the basic level.

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I urge you to support this resolution and continue investing in the safety and wellbeing of our residents.

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The people in the city of Albuquerque deserve the highest level of emergency medical care.

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And that starts with ensuring our fire department is staffed as necessary.

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Thank you.

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Sam Truheel, followed by a Maureen Bakker.

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Good evening, counselors. My name is Sam Truheel.

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I'm a retired AFD firefighter paramedic.

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I was in the second paramedic class that went through the EMS academy at UNM School of Medicine back in 1975.

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The paramedic program came into light in 1974.

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Many of you were even probably the young to remember a program emergency that used to come out.

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That was our dream of having something like that and we got it going and so forth.

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Throughout my career, I ended up being as paramedic director.

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Back then, we used to run a three-man rescue, two paramedics and one EMT basic.

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And as paramedic director, I used to come in front of the city council and justify the vampire,

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because you need one person to get going on CPR on an advanced life call.

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That could be the basic person.

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Then you need two additional people, one to start airway management.

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Go ahead and finish that thought.

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Okay, I'm sorry.

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Anyway, we lost my train of thought.

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Anyway, we used to justify having a three-man rescue mainly because we had one person doing CPR.

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Another person starting an airway management advanced airway management using medical equipment.

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And then we had the third person that was communicating with the hospital, starting an IV and communicating with the people that we were at the scene

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with, as well as justifying everything, protecting our people and so forth.

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Thank you, Mr. Trejo.

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Yeah.

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Well, I ran out of time, I assume.

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Yes, sir.

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Okay, thank you.

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Thank you for your service.

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Maureen Bakker, followed by Anami Das.

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Good evening.

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Council President Basan and city councilors.

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My name is Maureen Bakker.

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I chair the Board of Directors of the New Mexico Philharmonic.

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We deeply appreciate the support from the city that enables us to reach our communities title one children

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and their parents as well as veterans.

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I am here tonight urging you to support Councillor Bakke's proposal to remove the city charter restriction,

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requiring a public vote on expenditures over $10 million for a performing arts center.

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A world class performing arts center is not a luxury it is a necessity.

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Our current venues, including Pope Joy Hall, are aging and inadequate for the needs of a growing vibrant city.

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Beyond the cultural impact, a performing arts center is a catalyst for economic growth.

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It would create jobs, attract visitors, and support local businesses.

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Other cities, investments in the arts, yields significant returns for those cities,

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driving development and revitalizing neighborhoods.

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I respectfully urge you to support this change to the city charter.

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Thank you.

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Anami Doss, followed by a Stephen Bakker.

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Hi, Madam Chair or Madam President, my apologies.

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So I posted something about EC318, which has to do with family endeavors.

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It's the contract that's coming up later on the agenda.

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I was informed by the director of HHH that a part of what I had posted was in Correct and so I wanted to offer

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direction.

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Family endeavors is not contracted by ICE currently, and their most recent contract ended in 2023.

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They are, however, still contracted with customs and border protection.

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And I still intend on making a public comment on that specific item because I don't know.

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00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:08,000
The former ICE contractor and ICE contractor is barely a difference there.

456
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,000
We need to keep us safe in Albuquerque.

457
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Thank you.

458
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,000
Stephen Bakker, followed by Robert Haramil.

459
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,000
President Basan, members of the Council, good evening.

460
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000
My name is Stephen Bakker.

461
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,000
I serve as President of the New Mexico Philharmonic Foundation.

462
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,000
I'm a lifelong resident of Albuquerque.

463
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:50,000
I urge you to support Councilor Bakker's proposal to remove the city charter amendment limiting expenditures to 10 million dollars for a performing arts center.

464
00:36:50,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Hope to all is almost as old as I am, and it struggles to meet the needs of the community.

465
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:19,000
Removing this amendment is a first step toward creating a state-of-the-art performing arts center, encouraging a vibrant and cultural future for Albuquerque and our residents.

466
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Thank you.

467
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:40,000
Robert Haramil, followed by Lisa Christopherson.

468
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Lisa Christopherson, followed by Marceline Costner.

469
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,000
President Basan and City Councilor's, my name is Lisa Christopherson.

470
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000
I live in District 3.

471
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:57,000
I make public comment tonight to bring attention to a section of Blake Road that's between Unser Road and Horses Boulevard.

472
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,000
I began about three years ago reaching out to state and county legislators.

473
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,000
I've talked here before about it, and I reached out to City about this and got the same result.

474
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000
I reached out to County Commissioner and thank you very much.

475
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,000
Councillor Penyes, you put me in contact with Jennifer and the city.

476
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:22,000
And however, they did do a study in the city confirmed that this stretch of the road is a huge public safety because there are no lights or no sidewalks.

477
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:32,000
And there's trim the parks all along and there's a school in the middle and we have kids and we have elderly people trying to get to where they need to go, but it is unsafe.

478
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,000
So on the higher income side of Blake, where I live, we have a huge lane in the middle.

479
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,000
We have bike lanes, we have sidewalks, the whole way we have lights.

480
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:50,000
And so my concern is that we have kids in elderly walking in the dirt, some with walkers, and they're at risk of being hit because it's a two lane road.

481
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,000
So what do we need to do to get it safe?

482
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,000
Marshall and Costner, followed by a sham, Kenny.

483
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Hi.

484
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,000
Anti-Homus or Nensus and Sweeps, do not make life better for me.

485
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:11,000
It doesn't make life better for you unless you are an uninspired politician who wants to hide a problem before they see

486
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Re-election, it does nothing for you.

487
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:21,000
It spends public resources on an accriminalization of folks who have already been told that they aren't good enough for shelter.

488
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,000
What more do we need to gain from kicking people down in our own community?

489
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000
What do we gain from that?

490
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:36,000
How do we make our community better by enforcing levees and fines on people who already, we know they can't pay that.

491
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Why are we loving it to them in the week?

492
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:46,000
We need to invest in a more effective system.

493
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:53,000
We need to see the reality and the reality is that people's lives are generally not getting better in the system is not working.

494
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:58,000
People need help now, not tomorrow, not in a year, not in five.

495
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:05,000
All people deserve food, shelter and basic decency and our lack of understanding this is utterly disgusting.

496
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,000
We'll be a haunting memory of the legacy we leave behind.

497
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Sean Kinney, fellow by Al Stots.

498
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Al Stots, fellow by Ashley Long.

499
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,000
I'm President, my name is Al Stots.

500
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,000
I'm Vice Chair of the Mexico Philharmonic Board of Directors.

501
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:50,000
In the early 1880s, a 1000-seat opera house was built in downtown Albuquerque, at Third Street and Central Avenue.

502
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:58,000
And that facility served the musical and theatrical needs of the community until 1898 when it burned down.

503
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:05,000
And it took almost 70 years for the community to get hope joy hall at UNM.

504
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,000
And as you've heard, hope joy is now 60 years old.

505
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,000
And so it is time for this community to get a new state-of-the-art performing arts center.

506
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,000
And as my colleagues have said, we support Councillor Baka's proposal.

507
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Put the question on this year's ballot, asking for public approval to amend the charter.

508
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:33,000
So we can begin to take steps to build a new world-class performing arts center.

509
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Thank you very much.

510
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:51,000
Ashley Long, followed by Gus Pidradi.

511
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Followed by Christian Me.

512
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Council President, members of the Council.

513
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
My name is Gus Pidradi.

514
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,000
I'm a proud paramedic firefighter serving this community.

515
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
And I'm here with my brothers and sisters with the International Association of Firefighters.

516
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Local 244.

517
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,000
I'm very grateful to be in front of you here representing some important issue.

518
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,000
We're asking you for your support on resolution 25122.

519
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,000
This keeps a gold standard of care that I am proud to be a part of in this community.

520
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:23,000
I'm one of the young paramedics you'll hear about that made it a great deal of mentorship from people who have come before me.

521
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,000
And that I get to provide better patient care because I've worked on a two-medic rescue system.

522
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Just last night we talked about Charlie calls earlier, so I'm going to use the jargon.

523
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:37,000
There was a child in this city on a station that's going to be split that came in with a Charlie call.

524
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,000
One rescue went.

525
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000
There's a cardiac event.

526
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Those medics had a chance to talk in that rescue ambulance as they were on their way to the call, confer, and then provide excellent care.

527
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,000
That family doesn't know the licenture of the two people on that truck, but everyone here in this room does.

528
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,000
And everyone knows that they got the best care that they deserve.

529
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,000
They got the gold standard Albuquerque he has been providing, and that's what we're here to protect.

530
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,000
Thank you.

531
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:14,000
Christian me, followed by Gilbert Bakker.

532
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:23,000
Gilbert Bakker, followed by Andrew Keller her.

533
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,000
You didn't mean my name is Gilbert Bakker.

534
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,000
I have lived in Galba, Albuquerque, most of my life.

535
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,000
I'm Normie Vett, and a retired firefighter paramedic for AFR.

536
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,000
But today I simply come to you as a concerned citizen.

537
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,000
I'm concerned that we are moving away from our current two-man rescue catalax system.

538
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Why do we call it that?

539
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Because it's the best.

540
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,000
It's ideal.

541
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,000
Not only for our citizens, but for our firefighters and police officers.

542
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:56,000
It's a system that I want and expect to have respond to my family and friends in this city.

543
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:03,000
The new system, the new system simply proposes, or something tries to do more of less, why are they trying to do this?

544
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,000
You simply do not have the funding and stack the keep up with our ever-growing call volume.

545
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000
The similar city, El Paso, has the same amount of causes we have.

546
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,000
We have 1,000 firefighters.

547
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000
We have 35 stations.

548
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,000
We have a budget of $168 million.

549
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:26,000
We have 22 stations, 765 firefighters, and a budget of approximately $125 million.

550
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,000
Do the math?

551
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Andrew Keller, followed by David McKibbin.

552
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,000
Madam Council President, Councillor's good afternoon.

553
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:45,000
I recently spoke to this Council about my concerns about the decision to appropriate money away from the rail trail and to the west side.

554
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:58,000
I asked that you all keep an open mind and expressed hope that there might be a way forward, which does not involve moving money away from one district's project to another.

555
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,000
My understanding is that Mayor Keller's recent...

556
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,000
In the next few weeks, we have a meeting of the Council's funding appropriation. It is not a sign of opposition

557
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:11,000
to the sports complex, but rather a signal that the mayor's office is ready, excited, and extremely

558
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:17,000
willing to work with the City Council to fund both these projects in the appropriate manner.

559
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:24,000
I think Mayor Keller, the City Council, and the citizens of Albuquerque are all demonstrably in favor of both projects.

560
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:31,000
So, I hope that you uphold the veto, and that we find a way to fund both these excellent projects.

561
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,000
Thank you very much.

562
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:39,000
David McKibbin, followed by Let's Afro.

563
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Let's often followed by break, Jonah C.

564
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Madam President, Councillors.

565
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:07,000
You know, I've struggled to try to impress upon you exactly what's going on,

566
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,000
and not only in my life, but in the lives of a lot of people in Albuquerque,

567
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,000
when it comes to their first amendment rights.

568
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:23,000
In this country, people have died and left blood on soil for those rights.

569
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:30,000
It troubles me to walk the city halls of public property and be treated like a criminal,

570
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,000
you're simply holding a camera.

571
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,000
The old adage wise, you can't fight city hall.

572
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Well, that might have been true, but now in the day of the age of a camera, when you're talking to somebody,

573
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,000
and I suffer what they call can't remember shit.

574
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,000
So, I have my camera.

575
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:54,000
So, I'm not going to be told by somebody something that later on, well, that's what we told you.

576
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Well, no, I can go back and I can review my documentation device.

577
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:04,000
So, it troubles me when I go to the courts, and I'm not allowed to end with my camera.

578
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,000
They try to use some rule.

579
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000
It says that I'm committing a crime, simply having a camera.

580
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Thank you.

581
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Great.

582
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Join us.

583
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,000
Follow by a tad.

584
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,000
And you and me and me and me and me and me.

585
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Council President, Councillor.

586
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,000
Councillor.

587
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,000
Yeah.

588
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,000
Two minutes.

589
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,000
One minute is not enough.

590
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,000
So, I'm going to take my minute and read what.

591
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Let's not go.

592
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,000
I was going to try to read to you.

593
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:40,000
This statute, 30, 2013, where your court has decided to try to enforce this statute upon

594
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,000
Members of the press, not media.

595
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,000
Okay.

596
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Media is a small, very small portion of press.

597
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Maybe you don't realize that.

598
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,000
Every citizen in this country has the right to press.

599
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,000
That's the first amendment.

600
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,000
So, here's what it says.

601
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,000
No person shall.

602
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:03,000
We'll fully refuse or fail to leave the property of any building or facility owned operated

603
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:09,000
or controlled by the state of it or any of its political subdivisions when requested to do so by a lawful

604
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,000
custodian of the building facility or property.

605
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000
This is the part if.

606
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,000
If you leave that part out.

607
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:22,000
The person is committing threatens to commit or incites others to commit any act, which would disrupt

608
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:28,000
the lawful mission process, procedures, or functions of the property building or facility.

609
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000
That's the full shit.

610
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:36,000
Tad Nimmitsky, followed by Eddie Verella.

611
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Thank you.

612
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,000
Thank you.

613
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,000
Thank you.

614
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000
Thank you.

615
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,000
Thank you.

616
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,000
Thank you.

617
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,000
Thank you.

618
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,000
Thank you.

619
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,000
Thank you.

620
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Thank you.

621
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,000
Thank you.

622
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,000
Thank you.

623
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,960
Standing averaging freaking doors.

624
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,000
We don't setting fire.

625
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:04,000
and residential income would have so-called abandoned buildings properties.

626
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:13,200
During birthday Scriptures and you think you can burn even coal winter days.

627
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,200
Now.

628
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:27,160
Each, every one, acre walk, co-winter, around 11, 12 o'clock, center-in, between

629
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Wife and all, and you, Bing, you'll see what I'm talking, I'm to get out from this

630
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:51,840
comfort zone, where is APD, APD, where it's fire department, thank you.

631
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,680
Eddie Virella, followed by Diane Jones on Zoom.

632
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:03,320
Good evening, President of the Son of Castlers, I am a retired firefighter, these are all firefighters

633
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,720
here, these are all firefighters here.

634
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:11,080
But I think you must understand what has happened here, you cannot reduce the rescues to

635
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:18,680
one paramedic because people will die, it's that simple, 90% of what we do is EMS calls,

636
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,640
not fires, although they run into fires and everybody's running out, do not do this, this has

637
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:31,800
been going on for 35 years, I fought this battle 35 years ago, you cannot run an effective rescue

638
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,640
with one paramedic, please don't let anybody tell you, this is the way to go.

639
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:42,600
In closing, I would like to say this, it's a request that I really, really have thought about.

640
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:49,160
I would ask that all nine counselors go ride with the Albuquerque Fardi Parvint, or AFR, as it's

641
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:55,560
called today, ride on a rescue and make a decision that you have seen with your own eyes and how this

642
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:01,560
all works. Don't let a bunch of paperwork fool you, go out there, ride with the women and the men

643
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:08,200
of the Albuquerque Fardi Parvint AFR, and see for yourself before you even think of making this decision.

644
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:15,080
Thank you very much. Diane Jones, followed by Peter Heide.

645
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:27,000
My name is Diane Jones, and I live in Somel Crossing, Sceptivision in the Somel District.

646
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:34,760
We're very excited about the construction of the rail trail, which forms our subdivisions nor their

647
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:43,480
boundary. Please uphold the Mayor's veto and re-appropriate the funding that was cut from the rail trail

648
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:54,600
project, EC-25-330. The rail trail is currently under construction, and the money has already been

649
00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:02,600
obligated. There are other methods available to fund the West Side Sports Complex. Thank you.

650
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,520
Peter Heide, followed by Kevin Vigno.

651
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,720
Yes, thank you, Madam President and Counselor. My name is Peter Heide, and I urge you to remove the

652
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:24,040
restriction in the city charter requiring a public vote on expenditures for a performing arts center here in Albuquerque.

653
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:30,440
I'm moved to Albuquerque in 2020 in part, because the dynamic cultural atmosphere that the city offers.

654
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:36,040
The arts play a vital role in making Albuquerque a desirable place to live for a variety of people.

655
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:41,960
A performing arts center offers expanded educational opportunities for our students, residents, and neighbors across

656
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:47,480
the state, and would increase Albuquerque's profile as a leading cultural center in the southwest.

657
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:52,440
Lastly, the performing arts have contributed hundreds of millions of dollars in economic activity

658
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:58,040
for the city and state throughout the years. We shouldn't let anything get in the way of an opportunity to

659
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:04,040
enhance the cultural dynamism of Albuquerque and New Mexico. Thank you for your time and consideration.

660
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,920
Kevin Vigno, followed by Janice Ferreira.

661
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:19,160
Good afternoon, City Counselors and Counselor President. My name is Kevin Vigno, and I perform

662
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:24,760
with the New Mexico Philharmonic. As their principal, oh, I'm also in the board of directors of that

663
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:31,800
organization. I want to express my strong support for the construction of a performing arts center in Albuquerque.

664
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:37,160
This would be a tremendous resource for the community and for our arts organizations that provide

665
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:43,480
the cultural vitality that distinguishes our city and our state. The first step towards this

666
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:50,280
goal would be to remove the requirement for a public vote on expenditures of $10 million or more for

667
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:56,360
a performing arts center. Current venues used by our local arts organizations such as Pope Joy,

668
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:05,960
our expensive jewelry. The difficult to book as limited dates are available. A new performing arts

669
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:12,760
center would be a catalyst for economic growth, would provide a home for organizations such as

670
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,800
Diana and Phil and be an important cultural center for the community. Thank you very much.

671
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,960
Janice Ferreira, followed by Doug Magiski.

672
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:37,080
Hi, I hope you can hear me. This is Janice Azetta. I am driving right now on my way back from what is

673
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:43,480
because for myself, you know, I'm from Zeta. I do not believe in borders. I cross them.

674
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:51,080
I want to remark on the contract with family endeavors. I will speak again on this later, but I want to

675
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start off with some high notes. Thank you to Councillor Rocket and my districts for being

676
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:01,160
open-minded about bringing a whole spectrum of housing options. I know that, and I have spoken since

677
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:07,320
even before the election about the need for different places and different kinds of places for people to go.

678
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:13,320
Really grateful for that. I'm glad to all of the council members for pumping the bridge on the initial

679
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:18,280
contract. I think the contract we're staying now is actually much better than what we had before,

680
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:24,600
so I'm glad for that as well. I had a feeling after the different time it was submitted. We may not get

681
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:30,280
other applicants or other applicants that were suitable based on the feedback from HHH. Nonetheless,

682
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,800
I thank them and there's that. I know it looked like Gilbert, but I was interested in the contract.

683
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:42,920
For having a second look, I'm seeing more outcomes. I think that providing services that are evidence-based

684
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,800
and with this much structure as we can, so folks with opioid use disorder, is really going to help us

685
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:54,280
and as it could use this fund. I probably don't have much time left. Again, I'm in my car. I can't see the timing,

686
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,600
but I will be back on later and we'll talk about this again. Thank you.

687
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,320
Robert, I'm going to excuse me. Doug, may you excuse me.

688
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,360
Good evening, thank you for president and city counselors. My name is Doug Medioski,

689
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,640
co-founder of the Hartman Medioski Design Group. I'm also a property owner, a business owner,

690
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,680
and architectural firm has had the honor of designing numerous significant buildings in Albuquerque.

691
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,120
I have a strong interest in seeing our community move forward. A performing arts center is a

692
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:32,280
significant venue that can have transformational impact. I have had the opportunity of traveling to neighbor,

693
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:37,240
new and communities in our region who have had the vision to invest in themselves with performing

694
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:43,960
our venues. It is time for us to invest in ourselves. I am here tonight to request that you support,

695
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:50,040
removing this severely outdated restriction of acquiring public vote and expenditures of over $10 million

696
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:55,880
for performing arts center. One positive step in the right direction you can take tonight is to remove this

697
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:01,960
clause from the city charter and place decision making with you the city council for our elected

698
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,640
to act in the best digital community. I respectfully urge you to support this change to the city

699
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:12,920
charter which would enable pop acts and for future performing arts center development. Thank you.

700
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,720
Madam President, just for the record. I was unable to locate Heather Fam, Erin Cummings,

701
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:26,200
and Robert Alexander in Zoom. That does conclude general public comments. Thank you. Thank you.

702
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:34,520
Councilors, we're going to move on to other business. E.C. 330 is a line item veto of R2512,

703
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:39,240
amending the adopted capital implementation program of the city of Albuquerque by approving new projects,

704
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,360
supplementing current appropriations and changing the scope of existing projects. If the

705
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,520
council wishes to attempt an override of the mayor's veto, they will make a motion to override. If no

706
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:53,960
motion is made or if a second is not received, the mayor's veto stands. Also, if motion is made,

707
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,520
second is received but six votes are not obtained in favor of the override motion. The mayor's

708
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:06,840
veto stands. Is there a motion to override? Councilor Sanchez. Thank you, Madam President. I make a motion

709
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:13,800
to override. There is a motion and a second from council champagne. Councilor Sanchez, do you want to

710
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:20,520
open and start for speaking and then we'll go to other councilors? When you get right down to the

711
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:27,560
nitty gritty, this has been gone over and over time again. We're looking here, looking at here is two wins.

712
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:34,920
We're still looking at the rail trail. The rail trail is going to be a multi year, a lengthy,

713
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:42,920
very lengthy process. Right now, we can get some money to take care of business immediately and have

714
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,120
indoor sports complex. I think all the councilors are in agreement that, or most of the

715
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,720
councilors are in agreement that we move forward and have wins as we move forward and work together.

716
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:59,160
And that's what I'm hoping to accomplish is to make sure that we work together and get things done. Thank you.

717
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:07,480
Councilors, can you tell us about that? Thank you, Madam President. I think it's, you know, as I said in

718
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:13,400
last meeting, none of this is typically black or white. We can have a rail trail. We can do works

719
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,440
on other parts of our city. And we can work this out. I don't think we really needed to go this far in

720
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:23,880
terms of how much time and energy was put into this. As people in the audience and are listening,

721
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:30,680
we're looking at putting back money into the rail trail later tonight. My councilors, my set aside,

722
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:36,760
has already been obligated towards a part of the rail trail. Previously, we'll be for all of this, start it.

723
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:42,280
So just let folks know that there's a lot out there and it's, it's never black or white as if we're

724
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,240
only doing this and that's the only thing that's happening. Thank you.

725
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:53,400
Councilors, anyone else? I will take a moment to just say that I was originally not going to support

726
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,560
the amendment that Councilor Sanchez brought forward because I don't think it is right. I believe that there

727
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,200
were Councilors who had said something to that effect.

728
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:30,000
Act at the night that we voted on this. But then there was a agreement from Councillor Baca. So to me, it's, you know, let's support the colleagues that we work with, and let's support what they have wanted to do for two very important projects, whether I personally agree with them both or not. But people in Albuquerque think that they are important. So I think it was important for us to support one another. I have to take a moment to say and I recognize that this is your the middle man right now. So Madam CAO, feel forgive me for that. But I recognize

729
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:56,000
that you stand probably for your role. I think that the way this veto occurred is completely inappropriate, disrespectful and enraging is the word I keep using. I think having a veto signing party for the public, having the administration go ahead and send down a resolution for us to use our set aside funding as a solution, which is not the city, the city, the mayor's job.

730
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:06,000
To just give that to us before we even decided whether or not to override or sustain this veto, I find it really in infuriating.

731
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:22,000
I mean, just the process alone is not okay, especially when I get told that I shouldn't always go to the media or I should work together, like let's work together and let's, but on an eight to one vote is truly a shame that the mayor even considered a veto.

732
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:32,000
So I certainly hope even though I believe firmly that through legislation and the way these counselors have worked things out, these projects are going to be funded and things are working out for Albuquerque.

733
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:50,000
But I hope that as a message that we do override the mayor's veto because I think that the way this happened is something that is regrettable and I hope that that is something the mayor understands and sees because it's not fair to us as the legislative body to be treated in the way we were when this veto came out.

734
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,000
So with that.

735
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,000
Manager, pardon me, we do have a comment.

736
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,000
Thank you, let's go ahead and go to that Mr. Cornelius.

737
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,000
Thank you, Madam Chair.

738
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,000
I mean Madam President, excuse me.

739
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:16,000
We'll start with Crystal Garcia, followed by Christopher Ramirez and Mark Bylone.

740
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:26,000
I do see a Chris in the waiting room Chris, that is Christopher Ramirez, please raise your hand.

741
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,000
Thank you.

742
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:32,000
We'll start with Crystal Garcia.

743
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,000
All right, can you hear me?

744
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,000
We can hear you.

745
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,000
Okay.

746
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,000
Thank you, Council members for allowing me to speak today.

747
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,000
Very weeks ago.

748
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:51,000
You voted to pull funding from the from the rail trail to reallocate funding today after the mayor's veto.

749
01:02:51,000 --> 01:03:00,000
I'm here speaking for families who could lose their homes not through direct eviction, but through the slow crushing pressure of gentrification that these trails bring.

750
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,000
We know the pattern the trail comes first.

751
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,000
I've heard a simple amenity.

752
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:12,000
Then come the luxury developments property taxes or rent stubble, working families and elderly residents on 16 comes get pushed out.

753
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:17,000
The same neighbors who spent who have lived here for generations who have built this community gone.

754
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:23,000
This trail isn't about, isn't being built for us it's being built to attract wealthier residents.

755
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,000
Who can afford the rising cost that follow these.

756
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,200
that follow these amenity projects.

757
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,400
Once this placement begins,

758
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:30,680
we don't just lose our homes,

759
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,080
we lose our community.

760
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,560
Your original vote should stand, stand firm,

761
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,720
override this veto, show us the city,

762
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,400
existing residents matter.

763
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,240
Thank you.

764
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,640
Mark, by loan.

765
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,120
Good evening, Council.

766
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,320
I'm Mark by loan resident of district two.

767
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,360
I want to, I guess, first of all,

768
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,360
just thank Bakhan Sanchez for attempting to,

769
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,160
I guess later on in the meeting,

770
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,760
put the same amount of money back into the rail trail.

771
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,400
However, I still do think that it seems pretty reasonable

772
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,160
given the outcry of support for the rail trail

773
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,160
that the administration did what they did.

774
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,960
And I am pretty in favor of it, honestly,

775
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,320
as somebody who was immediately fibergasted,

776
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,280
rewatching the council's meeting two weeks ago,

777
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,080
where you all reappropriated the funds,

778
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,880
I thought that was pretty wild.

779
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:30,320
And I don't like the idea of moving stuff around in such a way.

780
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,320
I am sensitive to the west side needing more investments,

781
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,960
and I think that that's all well and good.

782
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,840
And I even like cross-cancelor work.

783
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,160
But I don't think that we should be moving funds around

784
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,560
for already in process projects

785
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,600
to projects that haven't even started,

786
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,280
especially projects as frankly awesome and cool as the rail trail.

787
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,280
Thank you.

788
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,360
Madam President, I am not finding Christopher Ramirez in Zoom,

789
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,920
so that does conclude comment.

790
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:57,760
Thank you.

791
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,120
Madam President, just a quick couple of clarifications.

792
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:08,160
I'm just trying to understand this.

793
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,360
I wasn't around when they voted for the rail trail

794
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,120
or moving stuff like that, but is it fully funded?

795
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:18,200
Madam CIO.

796
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,200
Madam President, Councillor Shempain,

797
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,200
the rail trail is a very large project across multiple phases.

798
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,200
It is not fully funded across all of the many phases

799
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,200
of the rail trail as of yet.

800
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,200
It's got, I can't actually, at this moment,

801
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,200
speak to you exactly which portions are funded and fully,

802
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,200
but they are continuing funding that will comment future phases.

803
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,160
The reference to currently underway and funded is related to the phases.

804
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:53,160
That is both the sawmill and the central crossing area

805
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,160
and a few other phases.

806
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,160
Madam President, how many phases are there?

807
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,160
Madam President, Councillor Shempain, I can get you that answer.

808
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:10,160
I don't want to miss speak as to exact number of phases.

809
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,160
I can speak to the future where there are nine stations

810
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,160
but the phases don't match to the necessarily specific phases.

811
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,160
Madam President, what phase or what station is being done right now?

812
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,160
What phases is it in a, if they're safe,

813
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,160
and I'm not going to hold you to it, say if there is nine,

814
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,160
are we at seven, are we at two?

815
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:33,160
Madam President, Councillor Shempain, I believe I can ask,

816
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:39,160
if, no, so, I think we're a Mr. Montoya.

817
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:44,160
I believe that we have two phases under fully underway,

818
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,160
a third, either about to start or has started.

819
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,160
We have everything, and I will tell you, Chief of Staff,

820
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,160
Roehner knows all of this by heart and can give you all of the details

821
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,160
in detail tomorrow first.

822
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,160
One final question.

823
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,160
Do we have an end date of this at all?

824
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,160
Madam President, Councillor Shempain, we do not have an end date at this time

825
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:11,160
since it's multiple, many phases over time that will be, that will be done.

826
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:16,160
I think we hope to see it done in the next, in three years,

827
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,160
is our, is what we are aiming to be complete with.

828
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,160
Thank you, Madam President.

829
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,160
Councillor Grout.

830
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,160
Thank you, Madam President.

831
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,160
I have a couple of questions.

832
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:34,160
Do we have all of the land acquired for the rail trail?

833
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,160
Madam Chair, Councillor Grout.

834
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:42,160
I think we mentioned in FGO that we have two small pieces to purchase,

835
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:47,160
which are literally linear feet as how they were described,

836
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:54,160
based upon the current access and avail of purchases that we have made.

837
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,160
Thank you, and Madam Chair, our Madam President.

838
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,160
One more question.

839
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,160
Why did we start on one side?

840
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,160
And then, we're over here on another.

841
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,160
Why don't we do a continual start?

842
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,160
Madam Chair, Councillor Grout.

843
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:17,160
I think there would be folks that could answer in better detail exactly why,

844
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:21,160
but I know that some portion of it is related to the funding

845
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:27,160
in terms of the funding designations, whether that's through state funding,

846
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:33,160
whether that is funding coming from DOT and specific pieces of property,

847
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:41,160
or improvements that are made related to the state's funding along the rail lines

848
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,160
that are active.

849
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,160
So there's multiple phases and pieces of technical work that has to be done

850
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:51,160
and is being funded by different funding sources, both federal state and our local

851
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:52,160
dollars.

852
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:57,160
And that has played a key role in which portions that started.

853
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:58,160
Thank you.

854
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,160
And one final question.

855
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:06,160
It's unfortunate that you don't have the staff here to answer those questions

856
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:10,160
that come up because we don't know all the questions in advance that are going to come up

857
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,160
in a meeting.

858
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,160
So it is unfortunate that your staff is not here to answer those questions.

859
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,160
Madam President, Councillor Grout, I understand.

860
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:23,160
Thank you, any additional questions?

861
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,160
Madam Vice President, just one minute.

862
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:27,160
I don't know if.

863
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,160
I don't know if you guys can answer.

864
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,160
The land between sawmill and mountain.

865
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,160
I think delima and mountain that was purchased already.

866
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:40,160
I don't recall that passing through here.

867
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,160
Do we know specifically or do you not?

868
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,160
Like when it closed or how much we paid for that?

869
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:45,160
Because it was land.

870
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:52,160
It wasn't a road or a rail, a rail, a rail, a rail area.

871
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:56,160
Madam President, I was a councillor champagne.

872
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:02,160
I was trying to recall in my mind the answer to that question specifically.

873
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:07,160
That section is a portion that I think there may be both.

874
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:13,160
Whether it's owning ownership or use and what in some cases we have the right of use to land.

875
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:18,160
I just want to make sure I don't want to miss speak, but I and we will get you that answer.

876
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:23,160
Okay, thank you.

877
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,160
Councilors, any other questions or comments?

878
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,160
Councilor Sanchez, you made the motion override.

879
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,160
Do you have anything to add to close?

880
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,160
I just like to just very quickly say that.

881
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,160
We didn't have all the questions answered today.

882
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,160
We know it's going to be a multi-million dollar project.

883
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,160
So we're in the area of a hundred million dollars.

884
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,160
And if you took a hundred million dollars and and looked at the amount of money,

885
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,160
we were just moving over and like said, it's not taking from the rail trail.

886
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:56,160
This is money that's given to counselors to decide what to do with.

887
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:01,160
And just because the mayor made a request doesn't mean we're taking money from that.

888
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,160
It's up to us this body to make those decisions.

889
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:12,160
So with that being said, you're looking at less than one half of a cent in the overall picture.

890
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,160
And that's what we're looking at.

891
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,160
We don't even carry one penny in our pockets.

892
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,160
You can't make a half a cent.

893
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,160
But that's how much we're looking at.

894
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:23,160
That's how much we're looking at.

895
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,160
A half a cent is all we're looking at.

896
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,160
And I'm so glad that the counselors sitting on the diast

897
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,160
Understand that and they get it.

898
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:37,160
And they understand that we need to work together to move all projects forward.

899
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:38,160
And I said it before.

900
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,160
I don't have a problem with the rail trail at all.

901
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:45,160
It's just going to be a project that is going to take many, many years.

902
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,160
And many, many, many millions of dollars.

903
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,160
So this was something we can get going immediately.

904
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:58,160
Get cancels in indoor sports complex built and get the kids who need the practice facilities,

905
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,160
the kids who need a facility to enjoy their sports.

906
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,160
That's what we need.

907
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:10,160
And that's what Albuquerque citizens need and their children need as well.

908
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:11,160
Thank you.

909
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,160
Councillor's the motion is to override.

910
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,160
Those in favor of overriding the veto.

911
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,160
Please raise your hand and say yes.

912
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,160
Yes.

913
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,160
Those opposed.

914
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,160
That passes on an eight to one.

915
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,160
Moving on to approvals.

916
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:32,160
ECE291 is the mayor's appointment of Miss Mary E. Coleman to the old town portal.

917
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,160
Marketing at advisory board.

918
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,160
I move confirmation.

919
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,160
There's a motion in a second from Councillor Grout.

920
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,160
Councillor.

921
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,160
Councillor Baca.

922
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,160
Thank you, Madam President.

923
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:48,160
I deferred this while we talked quite a bit because this was a bit of an issue.

924
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:53,160
However, I had the opportunity to sit down with director Sanchez.

925
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:58,160
Dr Sanchez and talk about this and steps moving forward and how to address these issues.

926
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,160
I just want folks to know that.

927
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,160
I move confirmation.

928
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,160
Please support confirmation.

929
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:10,160
Councillor's any other questions or comments.

930
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:14,160
We are moving confirmation of ECE291.

931
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,160
Those Councillors in favor.

932
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,160
Please raise your hand and say yes.

933
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,160
Yes.

934
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,160
Anyone opposed?

935
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,160
That passes unanimously.

936
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,160
Moving to item agenda item B. ECE3.

937
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:32,160
17 is early head start quarterly report for July 2022 through December 2024.

938
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,160
I move a receipt be noted.

939
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:42,160
There is a motion in a second for a receipt be noted from Councillor Champagne.

940
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:43,160
Councillors.

941
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,160
I know that there's some discussion.

942
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,160
I think Councillor Grout will start with you.

943
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,160
Thank you, Madam President.

944
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:57,160
According to the ordinance, this is supposed to be a report from the early head start governance advisory committee.

945
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,160
Looks like you have.

946
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,160
I'm not sure who I'm supposed to be talking to.

947
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:04,160
Madam CIO.

948
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:12,160
It looks like you have a policy council but not the governance committee that the ordinance calls for.

949
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:17,160
Does this include a report on program performance and school readiness.

950
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,160
Madam President Councillor Grout.

951
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,160
As a CIO, Carla Martinez is here.

952
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:30,160
She's been working on the head start with our youth and family services department.

953
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,160
Thank you for being here.

954
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:38,160
Does this report report that you guys sent us?

955
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:43,160
Does it include a report on program performance and school readiness?

956
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,160
Madam President, Councillor Grout.

957
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:52,160
I would like if I may be able to call it a associate director.

958
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:59,160
Dr. Dunita Mosley, who can give you a little bit more information on that.

959
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,100
Good evening. Good evening, Dr. Council.

960
01:15:10,100 --> 01:15:19,500
So, I'll ask for a third time. Does this, these documents that you sent us, does it include a report

961
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:22,000
on program performance in school readiness?

962
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:28,000
It does not. Is there an attendance data or financial information in it?

963
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:33,000
There is. Okay. Does this report include any analysis?

964
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,000
It does not.

965
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,000
It does not. Do you feel like you've done your best work here?

966
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:50,000
With this report on Madam President, Councilor Grout. This report was a bit different.

967
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:57,000
In 2022, there was a hold placed on the quarterly reports.

968
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:05,000
I was working with senior council, senior council policy analyst.

969
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:11,000
And who basically, she basically sits on as the liaison of the early head start policy council

970
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:16,000
and serves as the liaison between policy council and city council.

971
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:25,000
So, in 2022, this individual basically put a hold on the quarterly reports.

972
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,000
And so that's why you're seeing the date range of this report.

973
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:43,000
And basically that hold was placed as a result of a council member wanting to establish a new platform for getting these reports to city council.

974
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:50,000
The concern with these reports were that the data that you all were receiving was historical.

975
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:54,000
By the time you received it, it was passed dated information.

976
01:16:54,000 --> 01:17:05,000
And so with this particular report in 2023, I hadn't heard anything about lifting this hold up on these reports.

977
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:16,000
And so in 2023, I reached out to the same policy analyst to request an update of which point.

978
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:27,000
Again, I was told to kind of stand by information was still being thought of how we would proceed with these reports, according reports going forward.

979
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:41,000
In 2024, it's when the same council, I'm sorry, senior council policy analyst reached out saying to resume the reports.

980
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:56,000
So I would definitely say that the depth and the magnitude of from 2022 to 2024 quarterly reports, they weren't it wasn't as detailed as it would have been.

981
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:06,000
When reporting on a single quarter, I was this report was really trying to capture a couple years.

982
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:15,000
Thank you, Madam President, the questions that I asked you are all from the ordinance and that's the information that we're supposed to be receiving.

983
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,000
What you all did send us is a data dump.

984
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:25,000
It was not a report was just all of your documents, but it was not a good effort.

985
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:35,000
In my opinion, and it's two years too late, I think there's a real disconnect here and it's I'm.

986
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:54,000
The effort is is and respectfully it's not meant at you, but the department and and we have ordinances that we're supposed to be living by that we're supposed to be following and we don't get to get to pick and choose when we want to do that we're supposed to be following the ordinances.

987
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:00,000
I understand it's been a challenge to higher teachers.

988
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,000
And retain them as well.

989
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:19,000
I know that the state the legislature has increased payroll salaries for the teachers and so we don't have in the city we don't offer the same competitive salary and so.

990
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:30,000
We need this early head start program in our community desperately it's much needed, but I think that we need to consider.

991
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:38,000
Hiring some nonprofits some businesses that might be able to handle that do the job for us.

992
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:49,000
So can you explore the idea of hiring a non-profit contractor to do the work can could the grant funding that the city gets be spent on that.

993
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:54,000
What do you think about that.

994
01:19:54,000 --> 01:20:07,000
Madam President, Councillor Grout, I think a director caught the sound of all unfortunately could not be here tonight, but I can say that her and Dr. Mosley have been making a very concerted effort.

995
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:18,000
To increase the enrollment as it relates to early childhood and they have been increasing those numbers every quarter and they've been closely monitoring those numbers.

996
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:30,000
And I know that they are closely working with state as well to increase the pay for teachers and that's been an ongoing conversation so they have definitely been making a concerted effort.

997
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:52,000
Everything is I respectfully hear your comments about the report that was submitted but I think Dr. Mosley was trying to do the best job she could and was actually trying to provide you guys more information than not because it had been several quarters since there had been a report given to you based on the request by city council staff.

998
01:20:52,000 --> 01:21:07,000
Madam President, thank you. I think we need to get this back on track. It's an important division in the city that we have to have proper reporting and we need to be following guidelines and rules.

999
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:13,000
I'm disappointed in the report. I don't think it's much of one.

1000
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:24,000
Those are Rogers. Thank you Madam President. Associate Dr. Mosley. Can you tell us a little bit about under your leadership. How this program is grown for federal funding.

1001
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:38,000
And I don't I'm saying that because it's not reflected here and I know the immense amount of work that you've done to make sure that even though centers have closed that year over year you're increasing our federal grants that are coming into the city.

1002
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:50,000
So can you talk a little bit about that and then maybe add it to the report because I think that for me in knowing about your work that was phenomenal to see what you've been able to do that. Can you talk a little bit about that.

1003
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:58,000
So again, I was speaking specifically to the early head start grant specifically to the early head start grant.

1004
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:06,000
When I came on board with the city, we were funded just just over 2.1 million.

1005
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:12,000
The funding over the last five years has increased.

1006
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:20,000
I want to say in total, we two 2.5 million to 0.5 million dollar grant.

1007
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:33,000
We have because of the pandemic we were granted a reduction of slots while maintaining our same funding.

1008
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:47,000
So the office of the head start offered all recipients nationwide the opportunity that they were having trouble with enrollment to reduce to reduce your funded number of slots.

1009
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:57,000
But maintain the funded level and reinvest those funds into recruitment retention.

1010
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:06,000
Upgrades to our facilities and so that's been, you know, very, very positive time for us.

1011
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:12,000
Thank you, but I present and since the 22 22 have we reopened singing arrow and trouble.

1012
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,000
Yes.

1013
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,000
Both centers have reopened.

1014
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,000
Yeah.

1015
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:23,000
I think for me, to Councillor Grout's point, like that's the stuff I want to just knowing your work, that's the stuff I want to see in here too.

1016
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:28,000
I know, and of course, including the stuff that's in the resolution, but you.

1017
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:37,000
I know that we're doing the best that we can with the resources that we can, even though trouble for instance was closed for quite a bit of time.

1018
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,000
I've seen recruiting efforts going out.

1019
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,000
I've heard radio ads. I've seen commercials.

1020
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:47,000
My mom's an early childhood educator and there's a buzz in the community about well should we leave where we're at now.

1021
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,000
I won't say where that is and come over to the city.

1022
01:23:50,000 --> 01:24:01,000
And so I would also love to see that reflected what you're currently doing to help those staffing shortages and for those watching apply today.

1023
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:05,000
We can keep taking care of our, our babies. So thank you so much.

1024
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:06,000
I'm sorry.

1025
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,000
Thank you.

1026
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,000
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1027
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:15,000
I just wanted to speak a little bit to the comments from Councillor Grout and just mentioned to you.

1028
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,000
The entire council, you know, Councillor.

1029
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,000
A son and I have been, have spoken about the report.

1030
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:31,000
We've spoken about the work that we do together based upon the way the ordinance is written in terms of the accountability to the council president in terms of.

1031
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:36,000
The signature that is expected into that head start report.

1032
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:43,000
I've made a commitment to work together and meet to ensure that we are looking through a way to improve both.

1033
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,000
Not only the reporting that we're doing, but but also the communication.

1034
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:56,000
I think that in this circumstance we have staff with the city that took direction and worked with council services staff.

1035
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:04,000
And we want to make sure we don't have any miscommunications in terms of how to ensure that we're meeting the ordinance and working at your direction.

1036
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:10,000
So we will meet later this week or early next week to ensure that we work through these processes.

1037
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:21,000
Our team is fully committed to not only improving related to the ordinance compliance and expectations, but clearly understanding who's the communicator on behalf of council.

1038
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:28,000
Related to that and then third I think looking at the ordinance and how it is currently either.

1039
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:37,000
How it we can ensure that is it is reflective of what the current setting is or how we should reinstate something if that is the preference or the path forward.

1040
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:42,000
I just wanted to make sure we may express to all of you that that work is underway.

1041
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:47,000
Helmsers that is a conversation that we did have earlier today and I know I had spoken with council.

1042
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,000
Who's stressed interest in participating with the meeting that we have next week.

1043
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:58,000
So please make sure to invite her as well and then I will say that this report is more of a data dump to me as well.

1044
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:04,000
I don't disagree with that but at the same time I realize that we need to we need to get this back on track whatever that's going to take.

1045
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:13,000
And so I think that's why it's very important for us to all meet and get together and a former council are used to really keep her thumb on this and I think that.

1046
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:20,000
Who instantly it dawned on me today that when that council or left this council is also when things kind of started to get.

1047
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:30,000
What seems like in the timeline a little defunct with everything so we got to work to get it better so next week if not this week I look forward to figuring out and ironing out some of those details.

1048
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:39,000
But I do agree that this doesn't seem like a good report it's it's information but that is truly not meant to be disrespectful to anybody.

1049
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,000
I think there's a lot that was put in there in the last.

1050
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:47,000
Two and a half years or however long it was that was the evaluation for it so.

1051
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,000
Councilors any other questions or comments.

1052
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:56,000
The motion is for receipt be noted all those in favor raise your hand and say yes.

1053
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,000
The opposed.

1054
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,000
That passes unanimously.

1055
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,000
All right.

1056
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:17,000
Moving on to agenda item C EC318 request authorization of social service agreement with family endeavors incorporated DBA endeavors to provide recovery focused services to individuals overcoming opioid use.

1057
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Disorder and co occurring substance use disorder I move approval.

1058
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,000
There's a second from council madam vice president.

1059
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,000
And let's go to public comment first.

1060
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,000
So I don't forget.

1061
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,000
Thank you madam prison.

1062
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:46,000
First we have a nami does followed by Janice Herrera on Z.

1063
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:54,000
Madam president thank you for allowing me to speak on this.

1064
01:27:54,000 --> 01:28:00,000
Albuquerque status as an immigrant friendly city is something that we still have to earn.

1065
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:05,000
We can't be reckless with the people that we contract with.

1066
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:12,000
And an ice contractor is certainly not something that we need here handling opioid use disorder makes no sense.

1067
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:16,000
We have people here who know how to handle opioid use disorder.

1068
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:21,000
We have people here who know the problems that are local to Albuquerque.

1069
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:25,000
We don't need anyone from San Antonio coming here.

1070
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,000
And shipping our people away.

1071
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,000
Or participating in any way in that process.

1072
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:36,000
Thank you please vote no on this.

1073
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:41,000
Janice Herrera followed by David Hernandez.

1074
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:47,000
Thank you for listening to my comments on family endeavors.

1075
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:51,000
Some of the other things I wanted to raise are that within the contract.

1076
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:56,000
Because I do understand at this point I don't think there's an alternative I think we're going forward with this.

1077
01:28:56,000 --> 01:29:04,000
In the contract it says that the services rendered must be quote unquote essentially secular having participated in.

1078
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:10,000
The surveys that were conducted as part of the opioid need assessment.

1079
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:16,000
There were a number of people who talked about how they're specifically uncomfortable getting services that are religious or faith based in nature.

1080
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:21,000
And so that word essentially needs to be stricken from the contract.

1081
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,000
It should say the services should be secular.

1082
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:30,000
I do understand that it also says that it should be offering a slash and a.

1083
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,000
I believe that should say and a and a.

1084
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:38,000
Because this money is coming from the opioid settlement funds.

1085
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:44,000
They need to have an a and I understand that there's a desire to have treatment for cold currents.

1086
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:49,000
And so in that case have both in a and a classes available.

1087
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:53,000
So there's a couple of the things that I noticed within the contracts.

1088
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:57,000
I do hope also it is not overly dependent on telehealth services.

1089
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:58,000
Thank you.

1090
01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:59,000
Thank you.

1091
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,000
Thank you.

1092
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,000
Education assisted treatment, I think that's going to be a barrier for a lot of people and I encourage that to be revisited as well. That should be in some limited time.

1093
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:14,000
Thank you, Ms. Hooray, your time is up as a part and not the entire service. Thank you.

1094
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,000
Up next we have David Hernandez.

1095
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:28,000
Madam President and Council, my name is Dr. David Hernandez.

1096
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:32,000
I am the Senior Director for emergency services for family endeavors.

1097
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:37,000
As a we are considered for agenda item, 25318, I would like to share that for more than 55 years.

1098
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:45,000
And diverse has, I mean, steadfast in its mission to serve those in need, upholding the values of compassion and integrity, accountability and community.

1099
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,000
Our work reflects our commitment to support the vulnerable.

1100
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:53,000
And diverse provides a number of locally based services for communities nationwide.

1101
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:59,000
We have a one year, we did have a one year contract in 2021, with I since that's been brought up.

1102
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:06,000
That contract was specifically to temporary house families with children who were housing hotels and were not being detained.

1103
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,000
And diverse has never had a contract to detention purposes.

1104
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,000
I can speak to that because I helped with so those operations.

1105
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:17,000
And at no time was any family prohibited from leaving if they chose to leave.

1106
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:23,000
Most families stayed because the goal was to help them get to the next destination, which was to be with a family member.

1107
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,000
I loved the one who was supporting them.

1108
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,000
Our current contract, the Department of Health and Human Services.

1109
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,000
And the most recent contract was awarded in November.

1110
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:35,000
We served over 40,000 children who eventually connected with the family members.

1111
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,000
Thank you.

1112
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,000
Madam President for the record.

1113
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:43,000
I am unable to locate Heather Fam and Lee Shepherd.

1114
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:46,000
And that does conclude comment.

1115
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,000
Thank you.

1116
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,000
Thank you.

1117
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:52,000
Mr. Hernandez, if you're still watching on Zoom, Council Rogers has a question for you.

1118
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,000
Please, I'm still here.

1119
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,000
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1120
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,000
Just a question.

1121
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:02,000
Is your incident ever able to build Medicaid in the state of New Mexico?

1122
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,000
I, you know, it's a good question.

1123
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:10,000
I don't know the answer directly for that one, but I can get that answer.

1124
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,000
I know we built, we can, and other in Texas.

1125
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:19,000
I don't know that we are set up here as up to date.

1126
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,000
Thank you very much, Madam President.

1127
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:22,000
One more question.

1128
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:32,000
Can you tell me about your, like, your, what's the situation with your organization and federal funding from human services?

1129
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:39,000
We currently have one, a contract that's come to an end with the health of human services.

1130
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:44,000
That's a contract, a reference where we were serving unaccompanied children.

1131
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:48,000
It, it threatened shelter for those children, served over 40,000 children.

1132
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:54,000
But we currently, that contract has ended as of, I believe, a couple of weeks ago.

1133
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,000
Thank you very much, Madam President.

1134
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:01,000
I asked the question about Medicaid because in your application, it's that talks about client engagement.

1135
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:06,000
And it says, our program will engage clients with Medicaid and the coordinated entry system.

1136
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:12,000
And so for me, it's critical to know if you can actually build in the state of in the Mexico for Medicaid.

1137
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:17,000
And I'm not sure that that's the case if you don't have an address in the Mexico.

1138
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:21,000
I've, of the contract address not listed here is from Texas.

1139
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:29,000
So, I think the first step we need to be able to put in your application is that you have established a business in the state of the Mexico.

1140
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:33,000
So I would love to get that answer if possible.

1141
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:36,000
I'm directly from endeavors if that's possible.

1142
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,000
Thank you.

1143
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,000
I don't have any questions for the administration.

1144
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:43,000
I know we apply for it and I know that we're in the process of securing an office.

1145
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:49,000
But I cannot tell you where we are in the application process because that's not something I handle.

1146
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,000
Thank you very much.

1147
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:52,000
Helps.

1148
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,000
Any questions or comments?

1149
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,000
No.

1150
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,000
Helps of people corn.

1151
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,000
Thank you, Madam President.

1152
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,000
I have a couple questions and I'm not sure who to direct these to.

1153
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,000
But I'll just say them and whoever knows the answer can jump in.

1154
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,000
So.

1155
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:12,000
Does endeavors currently have a contract with ice.

1156
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,000
No, we do not.

1157
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,000
Okay.

1158
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,000
Thank you.

1159
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:18,000
Hold on.

1160
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:19,000
Calents are people corn.

1161
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:23,000
If you can go ahead and mute our speakers so that we can go ahead and have admin.

1162
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,000
Be the one to respond.

1163
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:25,000
That would be great.

1164
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:26,000
Thank you.

1165
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,000
Okay.

1166
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:32,000
So we do the endeavors does not currently have a contract with ice.

1167
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,000
People corn.

1168
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,000
No.

1169
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,000
They do not.

1170
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,000
And did they have one with ice previously?

1171
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,000
Madam President.

1172
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:40,000
Council.

1173
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,000
People corn.

1174
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:42,000
Yes.

1175
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:48,000
So they had a one year contract in 2021 and my understanding along with many other providers.

1176
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:53,000
And as he mentioned, they were assisting children who were.

1177
01:34:53,000 --> 01:35:00,000
It wasn't detention but they were assisting children who were involved in immigration issues.

1178
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,000
And Madam President.

1179
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,000
The type of work that they were doing for ice.

1180
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:09,000
Is it similar to the type of work that the city of Albuquerque did with ice under the previous administration?

1181
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,000
Yes.

1182
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:11,000
Madam President.

1183
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:12,000
Yes.

1184
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,000
Council of people corn.

1185
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,000
Exactly.

1186
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:15,000
Okay.

1187
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:19,000
And for their other federal government contracts.

1188
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:24,000
They're in any contracts that have endeavors working on detention.

1189
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,000
Madam President.

1190
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,000
Council of people corn.

1191
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:28,000
No.

1192
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,000
The work they're doing clearly is not related to detention at all.

1193
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:35,000
And their focus is actually on improving the lives of children and their families.

1194
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,000
Thank you.

1195
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:37,000
Madam President.

1196
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:38,000
One more question.

1197
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,000
I think this is first the CAO.

1198
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:46,000
Is there any danger under this contract that endeavors will in any way shape or form.

1199
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:52,000
Go against our immigrant friendly status by collaborating with ice against the citizens of Albuquerque.

1200
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,000
Madam President.

1201
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,000
Council of people corn.

1202
01:35:54,000 --> 01:36:04,000
I feel absolutely confident that there is no danger in endeavors working with ice to go against our immigrant-friendly city.

1203
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,000
That is not there.

1204
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,000
Been there, mission.

1205
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,000
And it has not been what they have done in the past.

1206
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,000
Thank you.

1207
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,000
Madam President.

1208
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:12,000
Councilors.

1209
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,000
Any other questions?

1210
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,000
Thank you, Madam President.

1211
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:19,000
Again, I'm just going back to what endeavors said in their application.

1212
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:24,000
And I would like to direct this to the representative from endeavors.

1213
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:28,000
You're right about migrant care services.

1214
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:32,000
Said that we have managed a 3,000 bed.

1215
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,000
Peckles Children's Center.

1216
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:39,000
And eight emergency family shelters across Texas and Arizona.

1217
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:47,000
And a serving 85,000 plus individuals since 2021 with excellent C-par ratings from OR and ice.

1218
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:52,000
Can you tell me what C-par ratings are and what is OR?

1219
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,000
Yes, please.

1220
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:57,000
For Mr. Hernandez.

1221
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:02,000
Go ahead, Mr. Hernandez.

1222
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,000
Thank you.

1223
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,000
Yes.

1224
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,000
Can you hear me?

1225
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,000
I'm sorry.

1226
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,000
Peter, you thank you.

1227
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:24,000
C-par is a not sort of like an accreditation type of service that looks at our contracts and looks at how we conduct ourselves.

1228
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,000
I can.

1229
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:33,000
They use a five points scale to evaluate contractors performance and basically determine how we perform as a contractor.

1230
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,000
That's the easiest way I can try to explain about getting to.

1231
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,000
Thank you.

1232
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:40,000
Thank you.

1233
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,000
And what is OR?

1234
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,000
OR?

1235
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:46,000
The Office of Refugee and Resettlement.

1236
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:50,000
Thank you.

1237
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,000
Answers are the questions.

1238
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:55,000
Comments.

1239
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:58,000
So I had one concern about.

1240
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:04,000
Well, I mean, I have multiple concerns, but the one that's worthy of speaking on has been remedied.

1241
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:08,000
We definitely found it in the contract, but I do want to make sure to point it out.

1242
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:15,000
When we passed this quite a while back, we appropriated as a council 500.

1243
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,000
Five million dollars.

1244
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,000
Sorry, there's a lot of moving parts tonight.

1245
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:23,000
Five million dollars to this purpose specifically using opioid funds.

1246
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:31,000
So when I see a contract that says up to 8.1 million in three years, it's concerning to me to hear, well, how are we going to do that?

1247
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:34,000
When the council has appropriated five million dollars.

1248
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:45,000
So I am going to ask to make sure that Miss Bradley later will forward the same email and information to the full council so that they have the information.

1249
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:53,000
But in the contract, according to the draft contracts submitted with the EC, appropriations clause, and I'm not reading the whole thing, but that way everybody can know where to find it.

1250
01:38:53,000 --> 01:39:11,000
The appropriations clause, page four, paragraph 11, and termination for convenience without cause page 12 through 13 paragraph 32 both have in there that if the city needs to reappropriate funds, which they would have to do after the five million dollars of opioid funding is used.

1251
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:24,000
Then they need to come to the council, and if they do not get more money from the council, then they don't get that additional 3.1 million dollars, and the contract can be terminated with the proper notice has written in here.

1252
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:36,000
And I think that's important, it's not that anyone's intention to terminate the contract if that's the case, but we need to make sure to follow everything in the procedures within what we did appropriate on that and not.

1253
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:47,000
I also was concerned about us making sure to commit a future council in a future administration albeit it might still look exactly like this, but that's not right for us to go above and beyond in that regard.

1254
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,000
So I'm glad these clauses are in here.

1255
01:39:49,000 --> 01:40:02,000
I think it's really important to make sure that we are all aware of that for everyone's benefit so that we can ensure that we move forward with the two potential one year extensions that might occur afterwards.

1256
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:29,000
Madam ZIO. Madam Chair, thank you. Just want to reiterate that in the FY26 budget that we will be working towards the contracts that we have including this one will, you know, will be appropriated in our budgets and I think that's important to note is that when we are as we did last year multiple contracts were obviously within the budget.

1257
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:50,000
From the Department of Health Housing and homelessness we discussed several of those here during that budget process this would be obviously something that we would have included in the FY26 budget proposal that will come forward within of course in future years contracts would be appropriated in future budgets as well.

1258
01:40:50,000 --> 01:41:02,000
So Madam ZIO that leads me to ask you another question then on the so then in this FY26 budget is it the intention of the administration to include the 3.1 million dollars to cover it just in case.

1259
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:06,000
Madam President.

1260
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:09,000
I want to make sure I understand your question.

1261
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:16,000
I think we appropriate funds for each fiscal year and now I'm looking to our CFO to make sure I don't miss speak.

1262
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:31,000
And so we would be in this FY26 budget be clearly articulating and intent related to the FY26 budget requirements for all each of the contracts that we would be proposing for appropriation in FY26.

1263
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:45,000
So I don't know that I'm answering exactly the 3.1 question but what I'm getting at is that the 5 million dollars that was appropriated for the micro community for recovery was used for both capital and

1264
01:41:45,000 --> 01:42:00,000
and the beginning of this operating budget operating contract. So we will come to you all through the FY26 for appropriations for the contracts of service providers that we will include in that FY26 budget.

1265
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:14,000
So Madam ZIO how much money then or funding do we have or associate CEO how much funding do we have in that five million dollars that will be going to the actual operations of initiating this contract.

1266
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:21,000
Madam President it would be approximately 1.7 million dollars.

1267
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:29,000
And associate CEO so that will get us through the end of this year or the end of to the end of June.

1268
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:32,000
Madam President actually passed you.

1269
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:37,000
So I think the contract was for 1.1 million but we're delayed and getting it started.

1270
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:43,000
So I don't know exactly but I would think it would get us close to the end of the year.

1271
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:48,000
Okay and then what is the estimated cost to renovate the facility or are we all done with that?

1272
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:55,000
Madam President we're close to being done and I think it was a total of 5.4 million to for capital investment.

1273
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:59,000
And where did all of that money come from aside from the opioid funding?

1274
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:07,000
There was opioid funds Madam President and then there was about 1.8 million dollars that came from the county.

1275
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:13,000
And what are the fund sources that will be debited to pay for this contract including any construction costs?

1276
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:20,000
Madam President is that going to be what we're talking about with the future FY26 budget.

1277
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,000
Okay.

1278
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:25,000
I mean I am concerned that we put in a whole bunch of money.

1279
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,000
There we go again.

1280
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:31,000
But I guess at this point.

1281
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:36,000
I struggle because I don't have a better idea for how to help people and I know we need to but.

1282
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:39,000
I think that it's something that we do need to consider and have aware.

1283
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:40,000
Council Rogers.

1284
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:54,000
Thank you Madam President my question same as last time who will be providing the recovery services because in the contract it says the endeavors is required to connect.

1285
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:58,000
Um clients to services.

1286
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:03,000
So who's going to actually be providing this on site if we're truly calling it a recovery gateway.

1287
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,000
Who's providing those services if endeavors cannot.

1288
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:12,000
Madam President council Rogers you're correct they would be providing linkage services.

1289
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:19,000
And so to that specific question if you don't mind I would like to call up deputy director Ellen Graydon.

1290
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,000
Good evening director.

1291
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,000
Madam President.

1292
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,000
Council Rogers.

1293
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:41,000
So we have met with endeavors and endeavors is going to be hiring certified peers for workers clinicians as well as recovery coaches recovery coaches are also they go by a variety of.

1294
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:53,000
So there's going to be endeavors staff who are providing on site recovery services as well as connecting the clients to services in the community because we want this to be ongoing care.

1295
01:44:53,000 --> 01:45:00,000
They shouldn't just get care while they're here but rather when they return to the community they should have established services.

1296
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,000
What's both against? Okay, and we're to thank you Madam President. Where does it say that in the contract?

1297
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:15,000
Because I'm reading page 16 where it talks about what they're supposed to offer on site on a 24-7 basis, and I don't see that.

1298
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:29,000
Madam President, Councillor Rogers. So if you look on page 18, okay. He talks about that there's going to be recovery center case management, as well as within two weeks,

1299
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:35,000
everyone will have a case manager and they'll have an individual service plan that is standard for case management.

1300
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:41,000
And then further down they talk about a treatment plan where everyone will be assessed in screen for suicide risk.

1301
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:45,000
I'll be able to use disorder and other types of behavioral health services.

1302
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:50,000
And then the treatment plan is actual a clinical treatment plan provided by a clinician.

1303
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:56,000
And so those services will be provided and connected reference there.

1304
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,000
Do you understand you're correctly, or you're questioning correctly?

1305
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:06,000
Thank you, Madam President. So so endeavors is hiring on staff clinicians.

1306
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,000
Madam President, Councillor Rogers. Yes.

1307
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,000
Okay.

1308
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,000
Okay.

1309
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:15,000
Thank you.

1310
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:18,000
Councillor's any other questions or comments?

1311
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:22,000
The motion is to approve.

1312
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,000
Thank you.

1313
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,000
Thank you, Madam President. I'll be quick.

1314
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:30,000
I've been pushing endeavors for the past six months to try and get this thing open.

1315
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:34,000
I feel like recovery centers needed to be done yesterday.

1316
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:40,000
And it's a little concerning when we come up that maybe they've been running detention centers in another state.

1317
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:44,000
So that gave me quite a bit of pause, but it does sound like they're not doing it.

1318
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,000
We have some safe cars in place here to protect against that.

1319
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:51,000
So I just kind of want to get that out as we move forward with this.

1320
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:53,000
Thank you.

1321
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:54,000
All right.

1322
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,000
Councillor's, the motion is to approve EC318.

1323
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:01,000
All those in favor to raise your hand and say yes.

1324
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,000
Any opposed?

1325
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:06,000
No.

1326
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:11,000
That passes on a six to three vote.

1327
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,000
Moving on to final actions.

1328
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:14,000
Councillor Grout.

1329
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,000
Oh, 63.

1330
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,000
Thank you, Madam President.

1331
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,000
Oh, 63.

1332
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,000
This is by request.

1333
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,000
Oh, 63 is repealing.

1334
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:24,000
Chapter 11.

1335
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,000
Article 1.

1336
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:26,000
Parts 1 and 2.

1337
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,000
Related to the news and subatement.

1338
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:31,000
Replacing it with a new news and subatement ordinance.

1339
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,000
I move a due pass.

1340
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,000
Councillor's, there's a motion.

1341
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,000
And there's a second from Councillor Champagne.

1342
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,000
Councillor Grout to open.

1343
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,000
Thank you, Madam President.

1344
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:42,000
Mr. Cox.

1345
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:46,000
Could you give us an update on these proposed changes?

1346
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:51,000
Councillor President, Councillors.

1347
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:52,000
Yes.

1348
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:58,000
So, oh, 63 was originally heard on February 3rd, the council meeting.

1349
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:01,000
And at that meeting, there were a number of amendments.

1350
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:07,000
And so quickly, with the original bill, the intent was to clean up a lot of duplicative language

1351
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:14,000
that is either covered by the state or in other ordinances at the city.

1352
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:24,000
I brought in a number of ordinances that exist such as animal humane, fire code, etc.

1353
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:32,000
Under the umbrella of the news and subatement ordinance, so that they are all controlled by one similar language.

1354
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:39,000
Some of the larger changes outside of that are also the change in the fine and notification structure.

1355
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:47,000
And so originally it was a three tier notification system that started at a maximum of $200 fine.

1356
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:50,000
They went to a maximum of $300 and then $500.

1357
01:48:50,000 --> 01:49:00,000
And under the change went to a one time notification and a maximum fee of $500.

1358
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:07,000
At the February 3rd meeting, there were three amendments.

1359
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:33,000
One of the amendments changed that the under the new language saying that a daily fine of $500 can be assessed when on any new sense after the first notification and that that time buffer has laps.

1360
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:43,000
But the amendment changed to say that that this can only happen under a case that is deemed imminent hazard.

1361
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:56,000
So the second amendment added or removed the litter ordinance from the list of the new ordinances brought under this umbrella language.

1362
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:11,000
And the conversation or discussion around that was due that to the fact that the counselor did not feel we didn't litter were up to the same standards as the other ordinances in this list in terms of.

1363
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:26,000
The third amendment brought in language that says no person shall be in violation of this ordinance if the new sense designation is based solely on allowing individuals to camp or store their belongings on private property.

1364
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:37,000
And this shows up twice within this ordinance now and was to ensure that this could not be used to criminalize our homeless community or population.

1365
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:39,000
Any questions.

1366
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,000
Counselor got to open and we do have public comment.

1367
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,000
Thank you.

1368
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,000
Madam President should I offer them four minutes now.

1369
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:52,000
Let's go ahead and hear from the comment to our first and then let's go to amendments.

1370
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,000
Okay.

1371
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:54,000
Thank you Madam President.

1372
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:58,000
We have Lisa Christopherson followed by Ted Nieminski.

1373
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:13,000
Thank you President Mason and counselors the only comment that I have with this is I really want to thank you all for listening and and pausing and including some of our concerns.

1374
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:26,000
Thank you that really doesn't still trust etcetera so thank you very much from previously all the amendments it was very confusing hard to understand so I appreciate you all in taking our input and thank you to the city as well.

1375
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:38,000
Don't often thank you all but thank you all for it you guys are working together we can work together right we can do this together so we appreciate you all thank you very much.

1376
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:43,000
Ted Nieminski.

1377
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:45,000
I mean it again.

1378
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:50,000
Well we will go to district court.

1379
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:55,000
And now I will just my house.

1380
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,000
Very for sure.

1381
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,000
1970.

1382
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:02,000
The old and 1951.

1383
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:06,000
Yeah I rebuild the small house.

1384
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:09,000
I've been found as per feet.

1385
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:21,000
Was there a I rebuild it by 1979 to altogether almost for.

1386
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:26,000
3,000 laws where it is.

1387
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:33,000
And this house was solved about for 10,800.

1388
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:43,000
And this last year was solved for almost a shy or 100,000.

1389
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:50,000
And that is 70 plus years old house.

1390
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:55,000
That's winning a more time to outline it.

1391
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:59,000
Issue appropriate as can be.

1392
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:07,000
Thank you.

1393
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:12,000
Madam President I am not seeing the shepherd in zoom so that concludes comment thank you.

1394
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:13,000
Thank you.

1395
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:14,000
Councilor Grout.

1396
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:15,000
Do you want to move amendment number one.

1397
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:16,000
Yes.

1398
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,000
Mark's A in your packet.

1399
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:18,000
Yes please.

1400
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:21,000
Okay Madam President for amendment A.

1401
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,000
Will set is in section one.

1402
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:25,000
Dash one.

1403
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:26,000
Dash one.

1404
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,000
Dash three page two.

1405
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:29,000
Starting on line 11.

1406
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:34,000
Delete the following definition of imminent hazard and replace it as follows.

1407
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:38,000
The situation that deems unusual or immediate action.

1408
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:43,000
And which requires the city to circumvent usual procedures.

1409
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:44,000
And warrant.

1410
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:47,000
Requirements in order to protect a person's health.

1411
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:49,000
Safety and life from harm.

1412
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:54,000
And this amendment clarifies the definition of imminent hazard.

1413
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:57,000
Here's a motion for amendment number one.

1414
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,000
Is there a second.

1415
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:01,000
There's a second from councilor Sanchez.

1416
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:02,000
Councilor Feebokorn.

1417
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,000
Thank you Madam President.

1418
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:10,000
I'm just curious as they about the and previously it was or.

1419
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:14,000
And it seems like putting and as the health safety and life.

1420
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,000
Is a really really high bar.

1421
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:22,000
That could just say life and it excludes a lot of things that could be just in jurists.

1422
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:25,000
The people without.

1423
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:28,000
You know, killing them.

1424
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,000
And I'm just wondering why.

1425
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:33,000
Does it grow.

1426
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:35,000
Can we ask the attorney.

1427
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:36,000
Miss.

1428
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:38,000
Attorney.

1429
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:39,000
Thank you.

1430
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:40,000
Council President.

1431
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:41,000
Councilor Feebokorn.

1432
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,000
This was a request from the environmental health department.

1433
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:47,000
This is the definition of the uniform housing code.

1434
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:52,000
And they wanted the definitions to match because they rely on these provisions when they do their operations.

1435
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:57,000
So to the extent that that is a defects and I think it is it's in the uniform housing code right now.

1436
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:00,000
So might be something we want to address there as well.

1437
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,000
Yes.

1438
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:02,000
If you have a car.

1439
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,000
Thank you Madam President.

1440
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:04,000
I just.

1441
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:05,000
I'm fine with this.

1442
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,000
I think it makes it really high level of requirement.

1443
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:10,000
It just doesn't seem to be doing what we anticipated.

1444
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:11,000
But I'm fine with it either way.

1445
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:12,000
Thank you.

1446
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:16,000
Councilors any other questions or comments.

1447
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,000
Councils are out to close.

1448
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:20,000
Your support.

1449
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:23,000
The motion for amendment number one is.

1450
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:24,000
It has been moved.

1451
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,000
Councilors those in favor raise your hand and say yes.

1452
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:28,000
Yes.

1453
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,000
Those opposed.

1454
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,000
That passes on a nine zero vote.

1455
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:33,000
Councils are out with amendment number two.

1456
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:35,000
Mark to be in your packet.

1457
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:36,000
Madam President.

1458
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:40,000
I'm.

1459
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,000
Let's see.

1460
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:42,000
Starting online.

1461
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:45,000
20 in certain new section is follows.

1462
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:48,000
And read numbers of sequence sections.

1463
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:51,000
Person shall not be deemed to have violated this ordinance.

1464
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:52,000
If they are the victim.

1465
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:54,000
Rather than the perpetrator.

1466
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:57,000
Or any criminal activity that forms.

1467
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,000
The basis of the nuisance determination.

1468
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:02,000
Or if they are merely present when you suspect.

1469
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,000
The explanation for this.

1470
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:11,000
This amendment adds that victims of a crime will not be in violation of a crime based on new sense determination.

1471
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:16,000
Councilors has been a motion is there a second.

1472
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,000
Second from councilor feeble corn.

1473
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,000
Councilors any questions or comments.

1474
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:23,000
All right.

1475
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:24,000
Councils are out.

1476
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:25,000
You're just the point.

1477
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:29,000
All those in favor of amendment number two to oh 63 raise your hand and say yes.

1478
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:30,000
Yes.

1479
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:31,000
Those opposed.

1480
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,000
That passes on a nine zero vote.

1481
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:34,000
Councils are out.

1482
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:35,000
Amendment number three.

1483
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:36,000
Mark C.

1484
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:37,000
In your packet.

1485
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:39,000
So let's see.

1486
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:41,000
This one is.

1487
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:42,000
In section 11.

1488
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:43,000
Desche one.

1489
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:44,000
Desche one.

1490
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:45,000
Six.

1491
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:46,000
Starting online.

1492
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:47,000
15.

1493
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:48,000
Delete.

1494
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:49,000
Subsection C.

1495
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:50,000
And it's entirety.

1496
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:51,000
And add a new subsection.

1497
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:52,000
As follows.

1498
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:55,000
A person shall not be deemed to have violated this ordinance.

1499
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:59,000
If the nuisance determination is based solely on incidence of domestic violence.

1500
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:02,000
And the person is determined to be the victim in those incidents.

1501
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,000
The explanation for this.

1502
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:08,000
Is when a nuisance determination is based on domestic violence.

1503
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:11,000
The victims will not be in violation of the ordinance.

1504
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:12,000
But in similar.

1505
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,000
Simple or language.

1506
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:15,000
There's a motion.

1507
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:16,000
Councilors.

1508
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:17,000
There's a second from councilor Sanchez.

1509
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:19,000
Any questions or comments.

1510
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:22,000
Councils are out to close.

1511
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:24,000
I urge your support.

1512
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:28,000
All those in favor of amendment number three to oh 63 raise your hand and say yes.

1513
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:29,000
Yes.

1514
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:30,000
Any opposed.

1515
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:32,000
All right.

1516
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:33,000
That passes on a nine zero vote.

1517
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,000
Councilor Grout amendment number four marked.

1518
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:36,000
D in your packet.

1519
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,000
Thank you.

1520
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:39,000
For amendment D.

1521
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:40,000
In section 11.

1522
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:41,000
Desche one.

1523
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:42,000
Desche seven.

1524
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:43,000
Page six.

1525
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:44,000
Starting online.

1526
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:45,000
32.

1527
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:46,000
A.

1528
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:47,000
As follows.

1529
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:48,000
Any person.

1530
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:49,000
This is the added.

1531
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:53,000
Found to have engaged in unlawful activity as established.

1532
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:54,000
In section one.

1533
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:55,000
Desche one.

1534
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:56,000
Desche six.

1535
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:57,000
Desche.

1536
01:57:57,000 --> 01:57:58,000
Shelby.

1537
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,000
And then it continues.

1538
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:05,000
This amendment adds the sister's specificity to the penalty provision of the ordinance.

1539
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:06,000
Maybe do pass.

1540
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:09,000
There's a motion from amendment number four is there a second.

1541
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:11,000
Councilors, feeble Cornell Sanchez with the second.

1542
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:14,000
Councilor's any questions or comments.

1543
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,000
Councilor Grout.

1544
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:16,000
Close.

1545
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:17,000
I urge your support.

1546
01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:22,000
All those in favor of amendment four to oh 63 raise your hand and say yes.

1547
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:23,000
Any opposed.

1548
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:24,000
Passes.

1549
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:25,000
Nine zero.

1550
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:29,500
$9.00, Councilor Grow, amendment number 5, Markt E and your iPad.

1551
01:58:29,500 --> 01:58:40,500
Okay, floor amendment E, section 11-1-1-9, page 9, starting on line 27, amend section A as follows.

1552
01:58:40,500 --> 01:58:46,300
In addition to any other remedies available in this ordinance or under the common law, the mayor, mayor's

1553
01:58:46,300 --> 01:58:54,300
does it mean may impose a civil fine of $500 per day based on a determination that a person has engaged

1554
01:58:54,300 --> 01:59:01,300
in activity that constitutes a private nuisance as defined here in provided that the daily $500 fine

1555
01:59:01,300 --> 01:59:04,300
shall only be imposed in the case of imminent hazard.

1556
01:59:04,300 --> 01:59:09,300
This amendment adds clear fine language to the civil fine provision of this ordinance.

1557
01:59:09,300 --> 01:59:10,300
Move to pass.

1558
01:59:10,300 --> 01:59:13,300
There's a motion, is there a second from Council feeble corn?

1559
01:59:13,300 --> 01:59:14,300
There's a second.

1560
01:59:14,300 --> 01:59:16,300
Councilors, any questions or comments?

1561
01:59:16,300 --> 01:59:17,300
Councilor Grow, to close.

1562
01:59:17,300 --> 01:59:19,300
I urge your support.

1563
01:59:19,300 --> 01:59:23,300
The motion is for a due pass of amendment number 5 to O63.

1564
01:59:23,300 --> 01:59:25,300
Those in favor raise your hand and say yes.

1565
01:59:25,300 --> 01:59:26,300
Yes.

1566
01:59:26,300 --> 01:59:27,300
Yes.

1567
01:59:27,300 --> 01:59:28,300
Anyone opposed?

1568
01:59:28,300 --> 01:59:30,300
That passes on an 8 to 1.

1569
01:59:30,300 --> 01:59:35,300
Councilor Grow, we are on amendment number 6, Markt F in your packet.

1570
01:59:35,300 --> 01:59:37,300
Thank you, Madam President.

1571
01:59:38,300 --> 01:59:39,300
Employment F.

1572
01:59:39,300 --> 01:59:43,300
I'm not going to read this whole thing, but it's as in section 11,

1573
01:59:43,300 --> 01:59:48,300
1-2-5, page 27, starting on line 25, amend sections.

1574
01:59:48,300 --> 01:59:51,300
The NDS follows.

1575
01:59:51,300 --> 01:59:56,300
This amendment removes requirements for APD and environmental health department.

1576
01:59:56,300 --> 01:59:59,300
You set in confirmed standards for cleanup.

1577
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:12,000
For drug labs, since the ordinance requires clean up by professional industrial and environmental hygienists, they will ensure adherence to updated professional standards and you would be passed.

1578
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:18,000
There is a motion for a due pass, and a second from council feeble court and councilors and any questions or comments.

1579
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:20,000
Councilor Grout to close?

1580
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:22,000
I urge your support.

1581
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:26,000
Councilors, this is amendment 6 to 063. Those in favour, raise your hand and say yes?

1582
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:27,000
Yes?

1583
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:28,000
Yes.

1584
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:30,000
Those opposed?

1585
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:33,000
Councilor Lewis, I didn't see you, yes?

1586
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,000
Okay, so that passes on an eight to one vote.

1587
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:38,000
Moving on to amendment number seven, Councilor Grout.

1588
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:39,000
It's G in the packet.

1589
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:49,000
For amendment G, is in section 11-1-1-3, page 3, starting on line 28, delete, section 5,

1590
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:59,000
entire, entirely. An in section 11-1-1-6, page 6, starting on line 28, deleting section D entirely.

1591
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:05,000
The explanation for this is allowing individuals to camp on private property, unless the property is properly zoned,

1592
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:10,000
and designated is a violation of the IDO and the public camping ordinance.

1593
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:13,000
This amendment strikes this provision entirely.

1594
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:14,000
I move a due pass.

1595
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:17,000
There's a motion for amendment 7. Is there a second?

1596
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:20,000
There's a council, council, champagne with a second.

1597
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:22,000
Councilors, comments? Council feeble court.

1598
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,000
Thank you, Madam President.

1599
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:28,000
So this was originally my amendment last time.

1600
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:31,000
It did pass. I believe eight to one, perhaps seven to two.

1601
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,000
I did not have a chance to look that up.

1602
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:37,000
And so I'm very disappointed to see it coming back.

1603
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:41,000
I think we heard over and over and over again from the public.

1604
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:48,000
Very, very strong concerns that this ordinance is about punishing our unhoused neighbors.

1605
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:51,000
And I do not believe that that is the point of this ordinance.

1606
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:59,000
I think this ordinance is needed by our planning department to really look at new sense properties and really help us clean up our city.

1607
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:02,000
So this amendment was originally put in there to say,

1608
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:05,000
like if there's other things going on as well, that's one thing.

1609
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:11,000
But this this ordinance is not meant to be an additional tool against unhoused folks.

1610
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:15,000
There are plenty of tools and as extensions in the explanation here,

1611
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:17,000
it's already against the IDO.

1612
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:21,000
It's already in the public camping ordinance.

1613
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:25,000
And so the request at the last council meeting,

1614
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:30,000
which, again, passed pretty unannems are seven to two, I believe,

1615
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:36,000
was just to give folks some assurance that that is not the point of this new sense of statement ordinance.

1616
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:47,000
And so I would really urge us to keep that in there so that we can move on with the new sense ordinance that really works for the planning department and allows us to do the work that they need to do under this ordinance.

1617
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:50,000
Answer so the questions comments.

1618
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:51,000
Councils are out to close.

1619
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:53,000
I urge you support.

1620
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:56,000
There is a motion for a due pass of amendment number 7 to 063.

1621
02:02:56,000 --> 02:03:00,000
Those in favor raise your hand and say yes.

1622
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:03,000
Those opposed.

1623
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:04,000
I didn't see.

1624
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,000
I think it's five to four.

1625
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:08,000
That passes on the five to four.

1626
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:09,000
Moving on.

1627
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:10,000
Council.

1628
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:11,000
People corner amendment.

1629
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:12,000
Number eight.

1630
02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:14,000
Thank you, Madam President.

1631
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:20,000
I'll move floor amendment number eight on page two lines 30 and 31 amend the subsection.

1632
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:23,000
To add the clause at the end, which is if the city is issued,

1633
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:27,000
citations documenting that the criminal activities occurred on three prior occasions.

1634
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:28,000
Reason for this.

1635
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,000
Well, for so last for second.

1636
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:31,000
Is there a second.

1637
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:33,000
There's a motion to for amendment number eight.

1638
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:34,000
Is there a second.

1639
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:36,000
There's a second from fat Madam Vice President.

1640
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:40,000
So this is something that we discussed a lot on the dias last time.

1641
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:44,000
The way it's written right now was just any criminal activity.

1642
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:47,000
Or in three or more occasions within a three month period.

1643
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:51,000
And I'd asked what criminal activity was and the city attorney had said that probably

1644
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,000
does need to be cleaned up.

1645
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:57,000
I thought it was going to be in the packet that was brought forward.

1646
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:58,000
It's not there.

1647
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:01,000
So I threw this together right before because I do think that we need to clarify.

1648
02:04:01,000 --> 02:04:04,000
What criminal activity means in this ordinance.

1649
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:06,000
Council.

1650
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:08,000
Any questions or comments.

1651
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:09,000
Madam.

1652
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:10,000
Councillor Grout.

1653
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:11,000
Madam President.

1654
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:12,000
Thank you.

1655
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,000
Can we ask the city attorney.

1656
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:15,000
What do you think.

1657
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:16,000
Miss Keith.

1658
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:17,000
Um.

1659
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:18,000
Council of Assign.

1660
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:19,000
Councillor Grout.

1661
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:20,000
Thank you.

1662
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:21,000
I do.

1663
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:22,000
I think this is fine.

1664
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:23,000
I've just wondering.

1665
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:25,000
Obviously sometimes APD issues citation.

1666
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:27,000
Sometimes it makes arrests.

1667
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:28,000
You know.

1668
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:30,000
So I would just throw that out there to the council.

1669
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:33,000
Whether they would want to include arrests as an option.

1670
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:36,000
As opposed to only citations.

1671
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:37,000
It's a people court.

1672
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:38,000
Madam President.

1673
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:41,000
I am fine with adding citations or arrests.

1674
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:43,000
I again had not known that I needed to do this.

1675
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:46,000
I had clearly followed up several times.

1676
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:48,000
But adding in the words.

1677
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:51,000
Citations or arrests.

1678
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:53,000
I think that would be fine.

1679
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:55,000
Madam Vice President.

1680
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:56,000
Are you okay with that?

1681
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:57,000
Yeah.

1682
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:59,000
You have the second.

1683
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:02,000
Thank you.

1684
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:05,000
And you got that.

1685
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:06,000
Okay.

1686
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,000
So it will read if the city has issued citations or arrests.

1687
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:11,000
Documenting that the criminal activity has occurred on three prior occasions.

1688
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:12,000
Councillor Grout.

1689
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:13,000
Anything to add.

1690
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:14,000
Oh.

1691
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:15,000
Okay.

1692
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:16,000
Anyone else.

1693
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:17,000
Council.

1694
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:18,000
People.

1695
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:19,000
Thank you, Madam President.

1696
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:20,000
I.

1697
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:21,000
I just urge your sport.

1698
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:22,000
I think we need to be really clear about what this ordinance means.

1699
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,000
The motion is for amendment.

1700
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:25,000
Number eight to oh 63.

1701
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:27,000
Those in favor raise your hand and say yes.

1702
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:29,000
Anyone opposed.

1703
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:30,000
That passes unanimously.

1704
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:31,000
We're back on the bill.

1705
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:32,000
As amended.

1706
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:33,000
Council.

1707
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:35,000
There's any additional questions or comments.

1708
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:36,000
Council.

1709
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:37,000
People.

1710
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:38,000
Thank you, Madam President.

1711
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:39,000
I.

1712
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:45,000
I just want to say that I thought we were moving towards a really good document here that had.

1713
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:47,000
What was needed to get.

1714
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:48,000
New sense.

1715
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,000
Situations taken care of in our.

1716
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:51,000
Community.

1717
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:53,000
And then we passed an order.

1718
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:55,000
The amendment tonight that.

1719
02:05:55,000 --> 02:06:00,000
You know, and does what the citizens of our city had asked for.

1720
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:01,000
It was a very good one.

1721
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:02,000
Kind of that.

1722
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:03,000
It's all.

1723
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:04,000
I'm going to just be on.

1724
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:05,000
I wanted to have the.

1725
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:09,000
It's not only at the last meeting, so that unfortunately means that I won't be able to support this bill.

1726
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:13,000
And again, I think that's a shame, because I do believe that the point of this bill was new sense buildings.

1727
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:15,000
An allowing us to clean up our city.

1728
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:16,000
Thank you.

1729
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:17,000
Councilors.

1730
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:20,000
Any other questions or comments.

1731
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:22,000
All right.

1732
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:26,000
Councilor Grout to close.

1733
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:28,900
Tell us why this amendment or this nuisance

1734
02:06:28,900 --> 02:06:31,800
abatement ordinance needed to be updated?

1735
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:32,800
Ms. Keefe?

1736
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:34,280
Councillor Bessond, Councillor Grout.

1737
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:36,160
Councillor President, sorry.

1738
02:06:36,160 --> 02:06:40,440
Thank you, city legal had raised this issue with the planning

1739
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:43,200
department after a hearing in front of a judge,

1740
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:47,040
where the judge expressed some concern about ambiguity

1741
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:50,360
in the ordinance and whether it would be enforceable.

1742
02:06:50,360 --> 02:06:53,400
So we began trying to make some amendments

1743
02:06:53,400 --> 02:06:54,520
around the same time.

1744
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:58,480
The planning department was looking into expanding its ability

1745
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:01,880
to send some citations through the independent hearing office

1746
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:04,880
instead of going to court that has been successful

1747
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:06,080
in other areas.

1748
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:10,200
So we combined those two efforts and made a series of amendments

1749
02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:14,720
through basic of three sections of the ordinance.

1750
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:16,960
If you'll notice the last three sections

1751
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:19,880
really are very much untouched.

1752
02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:23,960
To try and clarify the language to explain what a nuisance

1753
02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:25,720
is, and that's a due process requirement

1754
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:27,440
is that when you have an ordinance,

1755
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:31,320
it has to put the public on notice of what would violate

1756
02:07:31,320 --> 02:07:33,880
the ordinances, so that was what we were trying to do.

1757
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:38,000
But then also do clarify what the different procedures are in part,

1758
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:41,040
they were rearranged so that sort of from the lightest

1759
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:47,040
to the heaviest, but to lay out the bundle of options

1760
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:50,640
that the city has when confronted with the nuisance.

1761
02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:52,600
Thank you, is that Grout?

1762
02:07:52,680 --> 02:07:53,520
Thank you.

1763
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:57,400
Bacon delapidated properties are a problem in our city.

1764
02:07:57,400 --> 02:07:58,560
I see them every day.

1765
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:00,120
I know that you all do too.

1766
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:06,360
Around my business alone, there are in a six-block radius.

1767
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:14,720
There are six houses that have been real problems.

1768
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:18,360
Two of them have burned down and have been removed

1769
02:08:18,360 --> 02:08:22,400
in the last year, and three of them have been burned.

1770
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:27,360
On and off a lot, and so that dilapidation brings down

1771
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:32,840
the neighborhood, and we just need to have better rules in place

1772
02:08:32,840 --> 02:08:41,520
and procedures for our officials to be able to enforce enforce rules.

1773
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:56,440
I personally, I'm not looking at, I don't think that this,

1774
02:08:56,440 --> 02:09:03,280
I'm not the first thing I'm thinking about is not the property.

1775
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:05,800
I'm not thinking about the folks that are on the street.

1776
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:09,040
I want to get those people into homes, into shelters,

1777
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:14,960
into treatment, into stable housing, and so this is about property itself.

1778
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:18,760
And for me, that's why I'm supporting these changes.

1779
02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:20,840
I urge your support.

1780
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:24,040
We are back on 063 as amended.

1781
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:27,320
Councilors, those in favor, please raise your hand and say yes.

1782
02:09:27,320 --> 02:09:28,480
Yes.

1783
02:09:28,480 --> 02:09:31,120
Those opposed.

1784
02:09:31,120 --> 02:09:34,120
That looks like it passes on a 6 to 3 vote.

1785
02:09:34,120 --> 02:09:36,160
I think we can get through the next one relatively quickly.

1786
02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:41,280
Councilors, 070, is committee substitute amending ordinance chapter 2, Article 6, part 1,

1787
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:43,320
relating to public boards, commissions, and committees.

1788
02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:45,960
I move a due pass.

1789
02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:48,440
There's a second from Madam Vice President.

1790
02:09:48,440 --> 02:09:50,920
Councilors, this passed through committee unanimously.

1791
02:09:50,920 --> 02:09:54,280
With a recommendation, I will say there's a couple of comments I'm going to say one about this

1792
02:09:54,280 --> 02:09:59,440
and one right after before we go to dinner for those of you that are attending tonight.

1793
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:03,720
But it's my intention for those of you, and I've talked with our staff, that if something

1794
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:08,760
passes with recommendation unanimously from committee, in order to avoid what I'm about

1795
02:10:08,760 --> 02:10:15,480
to do, I think that it's important that we respect that five councillors end up voting in favor

1796
02:10:15,480 --> 02:10:18,960
of something and recommending it, so therefore five councillors are probably going to vote in

1797
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:20,280
favor of it here.

1798
02:10:20,280 --> 02:10:26,920
So to shorten some of the amount of time we discuss, amend, re-discuss all of the things,

1799
02:10:26,920 --> 02:10:31,280
I have instructed staff moving forward that if something passes committee unanimously

1800
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:35,880
with recommendation, even if it's been amended to put things on consent agenda.

1801
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:41,640
So then I urge you to pay attention and if you need to pull something from consent, I hope this

1802
02:10:41,640 --> 02:10:47,080
is going to help us utilize committees the way I was always told they were, and I know you've

1803
02:10:47,080 --> 02:10:52,200
all heard me say it before, so just know that that is my hope in intention with this.

1804
02:10:52,200 --> 02:10:57,800
But since it accidentally, I guess, I don't know, we hadn't had this conversation, I

1805
02:10:57,800 --> 02:11:03,360
guess very clearly, so now it's here, I am opening this can of worms and I have an amendment

1806
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:09,680
to move, amendment number one is changing the amount of time, the original bill said three months

1807
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:12,240
before one name can move forward to the mayor.

1808
02:11:12,240 --> 02:11:16,800
It was amended in committee to say 45 days, I would like to move it to 60 days.

1809
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:22,880
This is to me a compromise, had I been asked at committee, I would have intended to say to all

1810
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:26,680
of you that we have to allow constituents at least a decent amount of time to even apply

1811
02:11:26,680 --> 02:11:28,160
for these committees.

1812
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:33,600
And so my concern is finding the balance of letting it be too long versus too short and where

1813
02:11:33,600 --> 02:11:39,000
do we strike that balance, so in making sure to work with admin as well, because this was something

1814
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:44,360
that I worked with them on prior to all of it, becoming here, 60 days is something that's

1815
02:11:44,360 --> 02:11:48,640
in kind of the standard for how long we have with other things.

1816
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:53,600
So I'm splitting the difference, I want to be able to allow people in Albuquerque to apply

1817
02:11:53,600 --> 02:11:57,880
for these boards and commissions, while giving us, or then that amount of time for us to

1818
02:11:57,880 --> 02:12:00,160
evaluate and then send forward one name.

1819
02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:04,880
I think 45 days is a real quick turnaround when you're talking about applications and government

1820
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:08,080
time and introductions and agendas and all of the things.

1821
02:12:08,080 --> 02:12:11,720
So I'm moving forward, amendment number one to 70.

1822
02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:16,160
There's a second from Councillor Grout, any questions or comments, Councillor?

1823
02:12:16,160 --> 02:12:17,160
Councillor Rodgers.

1824
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:21,320
Thank you, Madam President, just process question because I have several boards and commissions

1825
02:12:21,320 --> 02:12:25,240
that are vacant because I only have one applications.

1826
02:12:25,240 --> 02:12:34,680
And so the 60-day period is from the time that it's vacant to the time that we have an applicant.

1827
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And I'm going to defer to staff on this to make sure to clarify and correct me if I'm wrong,

1828
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but I believe that it is from when we're notified of its vacancy, then we can go ahead and

1829
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start seeking out applicants.

1830
02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:47,360
I'm seeing a nod from this one, Keel.

1831
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Madam President, Councillor Rodgers, that's correct.

1832
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Your clock with start ticking once the vacancy occurs.

1833
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Thank you, Madam President.

1834
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One more follow-up.

1835
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So it says within a 60-day period, which means we can send them up ahead of the 60-day deadline

1836
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if we, or we have to wait the full 60 days from the vacancy to send them a one applicant.

1837
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I'm going to refer to our attorney on that one.

1838
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Madam President, Councillor Rodgers, you would have to wait for the 60-day period to

1839
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lapse to just to leave that window open for applications to come in.

1840
02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:24,320
And then once that time passes, then you can go ahead and submit one name, if only one name is

1841
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received.

1842
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Councillor Rodgers, thank you, Madam President.

1843
02:13:27,920 --> 02:13:35,440
So if we do pass this tonight and I have vacancies already that have been vacant for longer

1844
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than 60 days than I can submit those.

1845
02:13:38,040 --> 02:13:41,720
That's right, Keel.

1846
02:13:41,720 --> 02:13:45,560
Madam President, Councillor Rodgers, this would not go into effect immediately so the bill

1847
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would have to become effective first.

1848
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Thank you.

1849
02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:51,800
Thank you very much.

1850
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:58,080
Councillor, there's the attention, just as I said in committee two is to make sure that we can,

1851
02:13:58,080 --> 02:14:02,160
if we have one applicant for a year, we can minimize some of that and we can actually fill these

1852
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boards with volunteers who want to give us their time.

1853
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So I urge your support.

1854
02:14:06,240 --> 02:14:11,360
All those in favor of amendment number one to owe 70 raise your hand and say yes.

1855
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I'm going to post that passes on an eight to one vote.

1856
02:14:14,720 --> 02:14:19,920
We're back on 070 as amended and substituted, Councillor's any additional questions or comments.

1857
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:24,480
I'm seeing that we have public comment.

1858
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:27,120
We do have public comment.

1859
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:28,120
Mr. Cornelius.

1860
02:14:28,120 --> 02:14:29,720
Thank you, Madam President.

1861
02:14:29,720 --> 02:14:39,080
And Nami Das, followed by Ted, the Amitsky.

1862
02:14:39,080 --> 02:14:44,920
Hi, y'all again, Madam President, thank you a lot for allowing me to speak on this.

1863
02:14:44,920 --> 02:14:56,400
The reason I contributed to this proposal ordinance is because this administration has a very

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02:14:56,400 --> 02:14:59,640
big interest in keeping everything up.

1865
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,000
As cheap as possible, as unstaffed as possible, as you can see with what's going on with the fire department.

1866
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:23,000
This contribution that I made with the section two of the ordinance was intended to make it so that board members would be better prepared to deal with the nonsense that comes with this administration.

1867
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:35,000
Speaking of the administration's nonsense, how was it? How was it? I forgot what it was. Okay. Well, goodbye now.

1868
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:47,000
Thank you. Well, looking here, what a cut of my earth attention.

1869
02:15:47,000 --> 02:16:03,000
Board's committees in commissioner who have to ask who are those people? What we get from them?

1870
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:21,000
Zero, because all our special interests, including some biggest lawyer, it's fear in a decor, or in all this, when I was used to go to committee meeting.

1871
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:33,000
Yes, I was reading, and they loved the fan link, a person who I would be so weak.

1872
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That's how corrupt that system is for it here, for action exist.

1873
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:53,000
And every word you look at, we need a Trump and all the pieces of information. No, I will. Thank you.

1874
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:55,000
Madam President, that concludes comment. Thank you.

1875
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Thank you. Councilors, any other comments or questions?

1876
02:16:59,000 --> 02:17:05,000
All right. We are on O70 as substituted and amended. Those in favor, raise your hand and say yes.

1877
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:15,000
Anyone opposed? Passes on an A to one vote. Before we go to dinner break, I want to make sure to acknowledge that I know that we have a lot of important people in the chambers.

1878
02:17:15,000 --> 02:17:21,000
And that ranges from everyone that's here regularly, every meeting to the people that are here now for tonight.

1879
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:28,000
I know that there's some important business to be had. It is not that I am hoping to delay or just respect anyone in your time frame.

1880
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:40,000
However, I also want to set some consistency in making sure that people are aware that if you have an immediate action request, it is going to be my intention moving forward.

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That all of the business that has gone through the process before has been heard in the order on the agenda, and any immediate actions will be the new items at towards the end.

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So please understand, I know you work hard. I know all of you are giving us a great sort of deal of service to our city on every level from constituents to employees and services.

1883
02:17:57,000 --> 02:18:07,000
And so I think that it's important to acknowledge that. But at the same time, I do think that we have a level of expectation to set for everyone on a regular basis.

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So with that, we're going to go to dinner for 30 minutes. We will be back here at 10 to 8.

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02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:32,000
Councilor Pena, Madam Vice President.

1886
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:42,000
Thank you, Madam President. I am actually looking for my item, but in the meantime, I'm going to.

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This is by request R1 16 at just in fiscal year 2025 appropriations for the money one out equity and community reinvestment fund items would do pass.

1888
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:57,000
There's a motion and a second from Councilor Rogers. Councilor Pena open.

1889
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So I'll just briefly say that this resolution, just fiscal year 2025 appropriations by appropriating 4 million to the money one out equity and community reinvestment fund.

1890
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Under fund 202 under the Department of Finance administrative services, the fund supports programs aimed at equitable community reinvestment and expanding opportunities for populations historically impacted by money one out criminalization.

1891
02:19:21,000 --> 02:19:26,000
Well, formalizing the appropriation, the resolution.

1892
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:30,000
Well, that's it. So I'm going to do pass.

1893
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:37,000
All right, so we have an opening. Let's go ahead and go to public comment first and then we'll go to councilors comments and questions.

1894
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:46,000
Thank you, Madam President. First is Catherine McGill and followed by Emmanuel.

1895
02:19:47,000 --> 02:20:02,000
Madam President and counselors, the latest of the hours affecting my ability, the eloquent, but I'm going to do my best.

1896
02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:11,000
Catherine McGill, I'm the founder and director of the New Mexico Black Leadership Council and tonight we have an opportunity to move from talk to action.

1897
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:16,000
Years ago, our community fought to keep witty or elementary open when it was on the brink of closure.

1898
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:21,000
We won that battle for the children, but keeping the doors open wasn't enough.

1899
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:24,000
It was the first step but not the finish line.

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Now we have the chance to finish what we started to give these students and families a support they need to truly thrive.

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02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:35,000
Saying you support something is one thing, investing in it is quite another.

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02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:45,000
Partnering in isn't charity, it's strategic investment in reciprocal accountability where families, educators, city leaders and the community all have skin in the game.

1903
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:50,000
There is no downside to saying yes, only significant returns.

1904
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:54,000
Every dollar will be used to lift up our most vulnerable families.

1905
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,000
Counselors, we are asking you to do the same.

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Thank you very much and we urge your support.

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02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:13,000
Emmanuel Asange, followed by Alina Posas.

1908
02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:20,000
Alina Posas, on Zoom, followed by Anne Lynn Hall.

1909
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:23,000
Hi, I hope everybody can hear me okay.

1910
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:31,000
I'm the family liaison at Whittier Elementary School this year and I just want to express my excitement about this.

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This proposal.

1912
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:40,000
I do think that this will be a lot more rewarding in the long term than the alternative.

1913
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:49,000
So we see a lot of data and a lot of evidence that proves this to be really successful in communities.

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02:21:49,000 --> 02:21:57,000
I would like to cite Magnolia mothers in Jackson, Mississippi as a really successful.

1915
02:21:57,000 --> 02:22:00,000
I guess, you know, example of this.

1916
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:05,000
Looking at our kids, we have so many who are very disregulated.

1917
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:07,000
They need a lot of support.

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02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:15,000
Financial support will give them the opportunity to engage with school and their community in a much more.

1919
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:17,000
I guess healthier way.

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Yeah, so I hope you guys support this bill.

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Anne Lynn Hall, followed by Jodie McElvie.

1922
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:30,000
Good evening, Madam President and Council members.

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02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:33,000
My name is Anne Lynn Hall and I am the CEO of Prosperity Works.

1924
02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:36,000
I'm here in strong support of R-1-16.

1925
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Prosperity Works has a 20 year history helping to eliminate poverty.

1926
02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:43,000
There are many policies, solutions that help address poverty.

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02:22:43,000 --> 02:22:48,000
One of the proven so policies is guaranteed basic income that is being proposed tonight.

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And the research that has been done on guaranteed basic income pilots in the Mexico by the Mexico boys for children.

1929
02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:59,000
There were strong evidence for these types of programs including increase in job security,

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improved housing security and noticeable improvements and educational outcomes.

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guaranteed basic income helps us close the racial wealth gap in our state.

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And for these reasons, I strongly encourage your support of R-1-16.

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Thank you.

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Jodie McElvie, followed by Diana Lopez.

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If you think Madam President and Councilors,

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the guaranteed income effort is a crucial part of strategy to enhance financial stability in our community.

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02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:41,000
By providing a guaranteed basic income, the financial stress that many families face

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is addressed.

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02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:46,000
This initiative will not only help families meet their immediate needs,

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but also empower them to build a more secure financial future.

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When families have stability, they are better positioned to exceed their exclusive goals.

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We need to learn a long-term employment and help outcomes.

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By ensuring that families have a broader liable source of income,

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we are helping them achieve greater financial security and stability.

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This initiative is not just about providing financial aid.

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It is about empowering families to thrive and succeed in the long-term.

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For these reasons, United Way of North Central New Mexico,

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she's guaranteed income as a means to achieving family stability,

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and we support this initiative.

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Thank you.

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Diana Lopez, followed by Carla Cousie.

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With the big Madam President and Council members,

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I am speaking in support of our 25-116.

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As a senior manager at Youth Development Incorporated,

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we serve over 8,000 individuals a year,

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and the division that I supervise 80% of the individuals presenting for service

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02:24:55,000 --> 02:24:58,000
at any of the 25 programs under the Prevention and Prevention and B.

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We have a health division, our struggling with substance use and our mental health disorders.

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It is my understanding that funds from the Marijuana Equity and Reinvestment Fund

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will go to entities, can go to entities to expand and enhance services

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02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:16,000
in the Prevention and Prevention and Prevention and Treatment Arena,

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which are sorely needed.

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I strongly support your consideration and urge you to pass this resolution.

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Thank you very much.

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Carla Cousie, followed by Dr. Robert Sims.

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Good evening, Madam President and Council members.

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I'm Carla Cousie, President and CEO of the Black Shinder of Humber 7 in Mexico.

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There are over 50 cities that are already doing guaranteed income programs,

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and I believe that if we provide individuals and families with guaranteed

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earned dependable monthly income, it will help to stabilize the unstable market

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for our marginalized households.

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This monthly income can mean the difference in mitigating food insecurity,

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02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:09,000
the ability to pay for needed medication, transportation, and easing issues regarding those

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02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:14,000
that are entering on an unhoused arena.

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It's crucial now more than ever before that we lend a helping hand to our vulnerable

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population.

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It's important that the criteria are based on nonpartisan principles with secure portals

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and applications, and we need to make sure we take care of those that need our assistance.

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Thank you.

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Dr. Robert Sims, followed by Alfred Matthewsson.

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Good evening.

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My name is Dr. Robert Sims.

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I am the proud school principal, Woody Elementary.

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I respectfully call to accident request.

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I am a nine to zero unanimous vote, casting and supported this pilot program.

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02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:56,000
Instead of dispersion of how, why these children and their families became stricken with

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02:26:56,000 --> 02:26:59,000
systemic poverty and perilous times.

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This is a hallmark moment in the spirit of humanity to courageously refuse our

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wittier students.

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And their parents would hope optimism and realistic pursuit of happiness while we

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sat in their lives and opportunities to have their ends finally meet

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02:27:15,000 --> 02:27:17,000
how happy to rob Peter the Paypal.

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You have an instrumental opportunity to have children grow up and remember you.

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We're investing and voting yes instead of voting no for financial equity and justice

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for them.

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Thank you very much for your time, consideration.

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Samantha Carillo, followed by Teresa Madrid.

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Oh, I thought Alfred Matthewsson.

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02:27:43,000 --> 02:27:46,000
I'm sorry about that, Alfred.

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Go ahead, sir.

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I apologize.

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Madam President and counselors, thank you for the opportunity to speak.

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In support of our 25-116.

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02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:05,000
I am Alfred Matthewson and a marriages professor and former dean of the UNM School of Law.

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An unpaid volunteer within the Mexico Black Leadership Council.

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I come as today of my views and do not state a position of university.

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GBI is a powerful safety road and I support this program.

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They have been more than 100 pilot GBI projects across the country.

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And we have learned from those programs, especially those that examine education

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02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:31,000
of benefits to children in designing this one.

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This program is a double rated safety road, centering reducing chronic

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02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:40,000
absenteeism and improving educational outcomes for children.

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It will provide one rate of unconditional cash payments and another

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in the form of wraparound services.

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This program, like all other GBI pilot programs,

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gives families and individuals the freedom to make their own financial decisions

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and thereby pathway to lift themselves out of poverty

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and their children to education and success.

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May your children pass the resolution.

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Samantha Carillo, followed by Teresa Madrid.

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02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:08,000
Hello, my name is Samantha Carillo.

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I work with New Mexico Black Leadership Council.

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And I'm going to read this.

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02:29:16,000 --> 02:29:20,000
Dr. Dwayne L. Ross M. D.

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The historical support for guaranteed basic income is known.

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02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:28,000
The economic impact has been demonstrated in several locations in this country.

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But a guaranteed basic income also has a beneficial effect on people's health.

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02:29:33,000 --> 02:29:37,000
Extra money allows an individual or family to spend more on food,

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reduces disease promoting stress and can contribute to medical co-payments.

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The impact of a few dollars to those in most need cannot be overstated

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and having those dollars rise from marijuana tax revenues is also a form of justice.

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As an internal medicine physician,

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I have treated patients who have had to make financial choices

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02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:01,000
that shouldn't be necessary in this process.

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02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:09,000
to the country. So I strongly encourage the city council to pass R25116. Thank you.

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Theresa Madrid, followed by Bernadette Hardy.

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My name is Tides Madrid. I am with the partnership for community action. At PCA, we believe in bold, proven solutions to support families.

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From May 2022 to April 2023, we partnered with community-based organizations to provide no strings attached cash program to 333 families across the state.

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The results speak for themselves. Families use these payments to cover essentials like rent, food and childcare, stabilizing their household and reducing financial stress.

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In fact, 83% of participants reported improved while being and nearly half were able to reduce their debt. Most importantly, parents gained the breathing room.

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02:30:57,000 --> 02:31:04,000
They needed to invest in their futures, whether through education, job training or simply spending more quality time with their children.

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The pilot confirmed what we already know. When families have the resources they need, they thrive.

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Earning to you and come works. It's time to invest in long-term solutions that put money directly into the hands of those who need it most. Please support resolution.

2044
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:24,000
25116. Thank you.

2045
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:35,000
Bernadette Hardy.

2046
02:31:35,000 --> 02:31:50,000
Bernadette, can you please accept promotion to panelists?

2047
02:31:50,000 --> 02:32:00,000
Would you like to speak, Bernadette? Go ahead, if you would.

2048
02:32:00,000 --> 02:32:10,000
Madam President, perhaps there's some technical difficulties there. Just for the record. Jennifer Burke and Robert Alexander are not present.

2049
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:12,000
Thank you.

2050
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:18,000
We are back on to our 16 counselors. Questions or comments?

2051
02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:23,000
Thank you, Madam President.

2052
02:32:23,000 --> 02:32:38,000
So, reading through this, looks like the money will go through the one Albuquerque fund and then it then to the United Way. Why is it the round about method? Why are we doing it this way?

2053
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:42,000
The associate's Yale.

2054
02:32:42,000 --> 02:32:51,000
The councilor grout. My understanding is that the city cannot directly give these payments so they're going through the Albuquerque Foundation.

2055
02:32:51,000 --> 02:32:59,000
Okay, thank you. Madam President, is the United Way charging overhead to distribute these funds and if so, how much?

2056
02:32:59,000 --> 02:33:03,000
Madam President, councilor grout. No, all of this is going to programming.

2057
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:07,000
Okay, very good. Thank you. Just a couple more questions.

2058
02:33:07,000 --> 02:33:10,000
How will people be chosen to receive the guaranteed income?

2059
02:33:10,000 --> 02:33:15,000
The write-up says that Lydia and Carlos Ray Elementary were chosen.

2060
02:33:15,000 --> 02:33:21,000
Were these schools, especially impacted by marijuana prohibition?

2061
02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:28,000
Madam President, councilor grout. Yes, the schools were picked for the areas that they are in.

2062
02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:38,000
And the South Valley, one is in the southeast and they particularly have their underrepresented and published neighborhoods.

2063
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:40,000
And so that's why they were selected.

2064
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:46,000
Okay, thank you. What can the guaranteed income grants be used for?

2065
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:55,000
Madam President, councilor grout. The money will be given to the households so that they have additional funds as some of the speakers spoke to, you know,

2066
02:33:55,000 --> 02:34:02,000
and the doctor spoke to, is that we want to ensure that people don't have to pick medicine over rent over other things.

2067
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:05,000
So it is to help supplement their income.

2068
02:34:05,000 --> 02:34:11,000
And so in three years time, then what are they going to expect it at some more?

2069
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:19,000
Is there any kind of help?

2070
02:34:19,000 --> 02:34:27,000
Because is there any kind of help for them to be able to learn that this is not guaranteed forever?

2071
02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:31,000
And so they need to be able to figure out their finances.

2072
02:34:31,000 --> 02:34:41,000
The reason why I ask is, with transitional, just kind of, or just going to the side a little bit,

2073
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:52,000
the, when with transitional living vouchers, which I think are great, and they help people become stable, but at the same time,

2074
02:34:52,000 --> 02:35:06,000
the people that are using them, they also need to learn that they won't be there forever, and they have to be working on their finances and learning how to be independent and to be able to financially manage their finances.

2075
02:35:06,000 --> 02:35:14,000
So is there any kind of financial education going on when these folks are receiving these grants?

2076
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:23,000
Madam President, Councillor Grout. Yes, so as a condition of the program, they have to work with the office of equity and inclusion in their office of financial empowerment,

2077
02:35:23,000 --> 02:35:27,000
and so they will be getting training, they will be getting education.

2078
02:35:28,000 --> 02:35:36,000
And then, are there any measured outcomes? Are there any kind of reporting or anything? What are we going to?

2079
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:38,000
How do we know that this is working?

2080
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:42,000
So Madam President, Councillor Grout, there's two components to it.

2081
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:50,000
There's the piece that is with OEI related to the guaranteed basic income, and part of that will be tracking absenteeism.

2082
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:56,000
So hopefully these individuals and students will not have chronic absenteeism.

2083
02:35:56,000 --> 02:36:02,000
The other piece is that they need to participate in the office of financial empowerment, so keeping track of that.

2084
02:36:02,000 --> 02:36:15,000
The piece that is related to triple H, you know, there are measures put into triple H's contracts to ensure that providers are meeting the needs of those particular contracts.

2085
02:36:15,000 --> 02:36:17,000
Thank you.

2086
02:36:17,000 --> 02:36:30,000
Thank you, Madam President. I just wanted to talk a little bit about being a part of this project in OEI, and I cannot contain my excitement that we're here.

2087
02:36:30,000 --> 02:36:46,000
This is work that came directly from data and research, and so this would be considered a research project in working with an Alexa Black Leadership Council Dean Mathis and some other folks to make sure that we're tracking this as a research project.

2088
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:53,000
Our mayor signed up for a pilot already under Mayor's for guaranteed income in 2020.

2089
02:36:53,000 --> 02:37:01,000
That is specifically in place to gather data across the whole country about how this works.

2090
02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:07,000
We've already done this in the U.S. During COVID, we all, and this was universal basic income.

2091
02:37:07,000 --> 02:37:15,000
Regardless of your income or your title one school status, everybody got our stimulus checks, right?

2092
02:37:15,000 --> 02:37:26,000
And we know from just that data alone, we cut childhood hunger in half by trusting families to make decisions for what they need for their families to thrive.

2093
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:33,000
And there's a notion out there that people are going to use this money for things like drugs and alcohol, right?

2094
02:37:33,000 --> 02:37:47,000
But participants have to turn and research surveys saying what are you spending the money on and overwhelmingly it was rent food and transportation across the country when I did the research on the pilots.

2095
02:37:47,000 --> 02:37:54,000
The biggest thing to your point about the program ending participants absolutely know this is only for a certain amount of time.

2096
02:37:54,000 --> 02:38:00,000
And most of the participants surveyed about the program ending said that they were fine with the program ending.

2097
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:18,000
Because of the program, they were able to get higher income because they, one particular story I heard from the Santa Fe's pilot, they were able to purchase a car that they couldn't afford before, which allowed them not to reply on the bus, which only took them to a certain part of Santa Fe.

2098
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:25,000
And now because they're gainfully, they can be better employed, there's deemed better employees because they're not late because the public transit.

2099
02:38:25,000 --> 02:38:29,000
They were able to get a job increasing their income by $800.

2100
02:38:29,000 --> 02:38:37,000
So the $500 going away was okay because they were able to get higher paying jobs because they had access to transportation and things like that.

2101
02:38:37,000 --> 02:38:44,000
So this is, I always say we, we put a lot of money supporting folks who have no income, right?

2102
02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:55,000
But those families that are right in the middle, like my family, I'm not, I'm not eligible for this, just put that out there for anybody's like city council is trying to get guaranteed basic income.

2103
02:38:55,000 --> 02:38:58,000
But I am a single mom in poverty, right now.

2104
02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:06,000
We like to focus on the first black city councilor, but I'm probably the first single mom city councilor who's living in poverty right now.

2105
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:10,000
And for my family, this would be life changing.

2106
02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:14,000
For to have that cushion of right now, I need breaks.

2107
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:16,000
I have the ability to pay for those right now.

2108
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:20,000
Well, guaranteed basic income would help me be able to do things like that.

2109
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:32,000
So this isn't a handout, this is a handout up to families who don't qualify a lot of times for regular entitlement programs that were used to like snap or tennis.

2110
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:48,000
So this is really, I think life changing and I'll stop there, but I just want I'm just excited that we could really take a stance on poverty because that is the root cause of a lot of the things that we're facing in our community when it comes to homelessness crime.

2111
02:39:48,000 --> 02:39:55,000
We have desperate people doing desperate things that they wouldn't normally do if they were in their right mic.

2112
02:39:55,000 --> 02:40:01,000
So for me, this is extremely exciting to have worked on it before and to be here to vote on it today.

2113
02:40:01,000 --> 02:40:10,000
And I think councilor Pena, because a lot of the original work on this, she really leaned into what the community wanted.

2114
02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:16,000
What the community asked for and then grateful for that because we don't always get to see that.

2115
02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:18,000
So thank you.

2116
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:19,000
Thank you, Madam President.

2117
02:40:19,000 --> 02:40:30,000
Would you, would you describe the program as no strings attached, there's no strings attached to the guaranteed basic income.

2118
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:32,000
Madam President, councilor Lewis, no.

2119
02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:48,000
As I mentioned, they would be marking or tracking the child's attendance at school and the other pieces ensuring that they're participating in programs within OEI and as councilor Rogers mentioned they would be filling out surveys.

2120
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:50,000
So no, I would say it's not.

2121
02:40:50,000 --> 02:40:54,000
They do have, there's not, there's strings attached to it.

2122
02:40:54,000 --> 02:41:11,000
What's, so you're tracking, I guess if a student or they miss a few days or they are the program or miss a few weeks would be criteria there.

2123
02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:17,000
Madam Chair, councilor Lewis, I don't know the exact answer to that, but I would think that they would be looking at it and then finding now.

2124
02:41:17,000 --> 02:41:23,000
What's happening with the child in understanding the situation, but it's a marker that they are tracking.

2125
02:41:23,000 --> 02:41:28,000
Yeah, and they are required to do the training and the education.

2126
02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:31,000
And again, I guess is there a.

2127
02:41:31,000 --> 02:41:36,000
There are certain level of commitment to that.

2128
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:42,000
Madam President and Councillor Lewis, I would ask that directors.

2129
02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:53,000
A lot of come up from OEI to answer that maybe in a little more detail for you.

2130
02:41:53,000 --> 02:41:58,000
Good evening director.

2131
02:41:58,000 --> 02:42:01,000
That's a list.

2132
02:42:01,000 --> 02:42:11,000
Yeah, I guess interested in just the level of commitment to the program, training, reporting, answering surveys.

2133
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:14,000
Yes, Madam President, Councillor Lewis.

2134
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:24,000
This project is a reflection of the ability for the people that will be participating to demonstrate their commitment to their own well being also.

2135
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:32,000
And so the idea is that these folks would be able to have the supports through the wrap around piece that Dean Matthews and described.

2136
02:42:32,000 --> 02:42:36,000
In addition to those finances that wouldn't ensure the fidelity of the programming.

2137
02:42:36,000 --> 02:42:44,000
Okay, and I guess my question on just the overall spending on the entire pot of money that we have and.

2138
02:42:44,000 --> 02:42:47,000
The, of course, we listed on the job of training.

2139
02:42:47,000 --> 02:42:52,000
You know, rehabilitation, small businesses.

2140
02:42:52,000 --> 02:42:58,000
I guess just described the reason for, you know, about 50% of it going to guarantee basic income.

2141
02:42:59,000 --> 02:43:02,000
Sure, Madam President and Councillor Lewis.

2142
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:07,000
We believe and it has been proven as a council Rogers is scribe that through these types of projects.

2143
02:43:07,000 --> 02:43:14,000
There are different interventions that are surface because people have the means to be very creative with identifying how to best off their problems.

2144
02:43:14,000 --> 02:43:21,000
And so in doing this, we anticipate and as ACO described this would be house under our office of financial empowerment.

2145
02:43:21,000 --> 02:43:26,000
We have director, the director, Dr Cooper back there who will lead that office with her team.

2146
02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:32,000
So this is a staff to roll a staff to work that we are placing a lot of priority on in the office of equity inclusion.

2147
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:39,000
And so with this work, we'd be able to, to follow through and make sure that people as they are needing help and meeting supports or identifying gaps.

2148
02:43:39,000 --> 02:43:44,000
We'd have the resources to help people to navigate those and come beside them to give them that mental security support.

2149
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:47,000
And Madam President, I've seen some studies on.

2150
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:57,000
Like let's say given a certain amount to one, I guess a study group of people and then a certain amount, you know, maybe a smaller amount or a little amount of other group.

2151
02:43:57,000 --> 02:44:00,000
And track and track and how that money is spent.

2152
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:02,000
And all that is at the intention here as well.

2153
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:06,000
I mean, we're doing that kind of detail of tracking and reporting.

2154
02:44:06,000 --> 02:44:12,000
So what you're just sorry, Madam President and Councillor Lewis, you're describing like a type of AB testing of about.

2155
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:17,000
I guess, uh, where you're measuring results, you're measuring some type of results.

2156
02:44:17,000 --> 02:44:18,000
Sure.

2157
02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:25,000
So with with your elementary school, that population, we would have, we would propose the entire third grade class.

2158
02:44:25,000 --> 02:44:29,000
With another school, such as Carlos Ray, that's a little bit larger.

2159
02:44:29,000 --> 02:44:32,000
And so we would definitely be able to have some of that described.

2160
02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:38,000
And so this experiment would be really informative to think about as we pursue this on a longer term scale.

2161
02:44:38,000 --> 02:44:41,000
How we can make adjustments and iterate from there.

2162
02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:44,000
In real quick, Madam President.

2163
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:47,000
What other, what other, you listed some of it?

2164
02:44:47,000 --> 02:44:52,000
I mean, I guess a comprehensive list of what the strings that are attached.

2165
02:44:52,000 --> 02:44:59,000
I mean, as far as the requirements of someone who participates in this.

2166
02:44:59,000 --> 02:45:01,000
So the string.

2167
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,000
The things that are attached, basically, there are just the involvement that I'm president and councilor Lewis.

2168
02:45:07,000 --> 02:45:15,000
The idea with this programming is that we will be able to provide wraparound supports that align with 02387 originally.

2169
02:45:15,000 --> 02:45:25,000
So the education around drug awareness, the ability to have access to mental health resources, the ability to have mentorship, programming, a workforce development.

2170
02:45:25,000 --> 02:45:35,000
All of those pieces are going to be designed and baked into this programming. It's really so much gratitude for the community organizations that have provided so much input into this project.

2171
02:45:35,000 --> 02:45:38,000
And have been able to commit to being able to support this as well.

2172
02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:44,000
To be qualified to be a part of it so you would, you have to go one of the, both of those schools, one of two of those schools.

2173
02:45:44,000 --> 02:45:48,000
Is there an income requirement that they already have?

2174
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:58,000
Madam President, Councilor Lewis, there's not an income requirement. Those are both Title 1 schools. So the population of students there already are subject to limited income.

2175
02:45:58,000 --> 02:45:59,000
Yes.

2176
02:45:59,000 --> 02:46:01,000
You have to be a US citizen.

2177
02:46:01,000 --> 02:46:06,000
So we don't track that information. And so we wouldn't begin tracking that there either.

2178
02:46:06,000 --> 02:46:07,000
Okay.

2179
02:46:07,000 --> 02:46:13,000
And schools don't typically, you know, have that access.

2180
02:46:13,000 --> 02:46:16,000
Councilors, any other questions or comments?

2181
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:17,000
Oh, the champagne.

2182
02:46:17,000 --> 02:46:26,000
Thank you, Madam President. Why wasn't any percentages put into the other stuff?

2183
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:31,000
People re-entering incarceration from drug use.

2184
02:46:31,000 --> 02:46:32,000
Madam President.

2185
02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:33,000
What was it all?

2186
02:46:33,000 --> 02:46:36,000
I was there no percentages put into the four categories.

2187
02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:41,000
Madam President and Councillor Champagne.

2188
02:46:41,000 --> 02:46:45,000
The ordinance was written in a way that it was permissive.

2189
02:46:45,000 --> 02:46:47,000
And so it said, you may use it for these things.

2190
02:46:47,000 --> 02:46:51,000
I understand how it was written. Why did you choose that then?

2191
02:46:51,000 --> 02:46:54,000
Madam President and Councillor Champagne.

2192
02:46:54,000 --> 02:47:00,000
The reason as Councillor Rogers stated there was a lot of work that was put into the guaranteed basic income.

2193
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:09,000
And we felt like that was a good place to have an impact as well as triple H because individuals that are affected by homelessness.

2194
02:47:09,000 --> 02:47:12,000
A lot of times are having other substance abuse issues.

2195
02:47:12,000 --> 02:47:17,000
So we felt like that was the best impact with the funds.

2196
02:47:17,000 --> 02:47:20,000
Thank you, Madam President.

2197
02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:23,000
Councillor Panyada close.

2198
02:47:23,000 --> 02:47:25,000
Thank you, Madam President.

2199
02:47:25,000 --> 02:47:26,000
Just before it closed, yes.

2200
02:47:26,000 --> 02:47:31,000
I mean, this is the, is the money, why not equity equity reimbursement for this.

2201
02:47:31,000 --> 02:47:36,000
So this has been for people who are disproportionately impacted by, you know, the criminalization of money

2202
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:41,000
when I, in the past, obviously, we can't pinpoint exactly who those people are.

2203
02:47:41,000 --> 02:47:46,000
But many people in the schools that we're going to be serving are some of those people.

2204
02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:52,000
So when you look at it, I mean, obviously half of the money is going to this guaranteed basic income.

2205
02:47:52,000 --> 02:48:00,000
But what I'm most excited or not most excited, but what I'm also excited about is that, you know, I'm always talking about that we do not have

2206
02:48:01,000 --> 02:48:06,000
Inpatient detox for our youth and or for adults overall.

2207
02:48:06,000 --> 02:48:13,000
So 1.2 million is going to go for, for inpatient treatment for, for substance abuse.

2208
02:48:13,000 --> 02:48:15,000
So I think that's really important.

2209
02:48:15,000 --> 02:48:25,000
When we're looking at our other budgets and how much we're actually putting into our larger budgets that have this type of support, it's very pretty.

2210
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:32,000
Pretty nominal, I'll say, and then also prevention intervention, you know, I think that's key when we're looking at our youth.

2211
02:48:32,000 --> 02:48:40,000
We didn't get here overnight and we really have to have, you know, prevention intervention programs education.

2212
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:48,000
So I know it's 500,000 for those types of efforts, but again, like I said, the fact that we have.

2213
02:48:48,000 --> 02:49:00,000
Substance abuse treatment for youth is really paramount and then obviously helping these families that, you know, when we're here talking about criteria as in having them to have to adhere to certain.

2214
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:15,000
Requirements, I think it's built into the program in terms of, you know, financial literacy and things like that that they have to adhere to, but really asking them to really have a lot of strings attached to something that's already disproportionately impacted them.

2215
02:49:16,000 --> 02:49:33,000
In a way, that's where we have to look at equity and that if that's equitable or not, right, and so this money is a side from our budget, it's a, an amount of money that we're going to be getting every year dedicated to really try to.

2216
02:49:33,000 --> 02:49:35,000
achieve.

2217
02:49:35,000 --> 02:49:40,000
Justice where there was injustice so I would urge your support.

2218
02:49:40,000 --> 02:49:49,000
The answer is the motion is for a due pass of our ones one six, all those in favor raise your hand and say yes.

2219
02:49:49,000 --> 02:49:52,000
All those opposed.

2220
02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:55,000
Passes on a five four vote.

2221
02:49:55,000 --> 02:50:01,000
And for the record on 070, I stated that it passed on an eight to one vote.

2222
02:50:01,000 --> 02:50:04,000
And Council people current started by making sure to tell me.

2223
02:50:04,000 --> 02:50:07,000
I was in my head, so it passed on a nine zero vote.

2224
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:12,000
Moving on to agenda item s p seven council.

2225
02:50:12,000 --> 02:50:22,000
Thank you madam president adopting a proposition be sent to the voters at the 2025 regular local election proposing to repeal article 11 section seven charter see valve curkey regarding a.

2226
02:50:22,000 --> 02:50:27,000
Hoping to vote on a performing arts center move do pass.

2227
02:50:27,000 --> 02:50:30,000
There's a motion in a second from councilor Sanchez.

2228
02:50:31,000 --> 02:50:32,000
Council.

2229
02:50:32,000 --> 02:50:34,000
Thank you madam president.

2230
02:50:34,000 --> 02:50:36,000
As as I've said before.

2231
02:50:36,000 --> 02:50:43,000
A, it's such a weird anomaly to have this in our essentially our city's constitution.

2232
02:50:43,000 --> 02:50:47,000
You know, specifically pointing out one type of project that can't be done.

2233
02:50:47,000 --> 02:50:51,000
And so this is in a sense cleaning that up, which shouldn't be there.

2234
02:50:51,000 --> 02:50:56,000
And there's a whole history of that that's kind of ridiculous if you read into it.

2235
02:50:57,000 --> 02:51:08,000
As I've also said, you know, I'm a big believer, you know, we, we can handle crime and homelessness and simultaneously we can work on the quality of life for our kids for our families for the future of our city.

2236
02:51:08,000 --> 02:51:10,000
And I, I firmly believe that.

2237
02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:13,000
And so I urge everybody support on this.

2238
02:51:13,000 --> 02:51:18,000
Councilors any questions or comments on p seven.

2239
02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:23,000
All right, so all those in favor of p seven, please raise your hand and say yes.

2240
02:51:23,000 --> 02:51:25,000
That passes nine zero.

2241
02:51:25,000 --> 02:51:29,000
Councilor Boko with the companion resolution are one nineteen.

2242
02:51:29,000 --> 02:51:31,000
Thank you madam president.

2243
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:35,000
This is just a companion resolution.

2244
02:51:35,000 --> 02:51:39,000
You want me to read it out for the record.

2245
02:51:39,000 --> 02:51:41,000
And adopting a proposition be submitted to the voters.

2246
02:51:41,000 --> 02:51:43,000
The next election be held in city of Albuquerque.

2247
02:51:43,000 --> 02:51:46,000
Concerning in amendment to article 11 section seven.

2248
02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:52,000
The Albuquerque city charter providing a form of a question and designation clause for such question on the ballot.

2249
02:51:52,000 --> 02:51:54,000
I move do pass.

2250
02:51:54,000 --> 02:51:57,000
There's a motion in a second from councilor Sanchez.

2251
02:51:57,000 --> 02:52:03,000
Councilor, if, if you want, you can open, but then I'm going to go to public comment and then we'll do your amendment.

2252
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:04,000
Sure.

2253
02:52:04,000 --> 02:52:05,000
Okay.

2254
02:52:05,000 --> 02:52:06,000
Yeah, I'm good.

2255
02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:10,000
So let's go to public comment, please.

2256
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:11,000
Thank you, madam president.

2257
02:52:11,000 --> 02:52:14,000
We have Lisa Christopherson to speak.

2258
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:29,000
Mr. Court unless did she go to zoom at all or she's not here anymore.

2259
02:52:29,000 --> 02:52:30,000
Okay.

2260
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:31,000
So then councilor Boko.

2261
02:52:31,000 --> 02:52:35,000
If you want to go ahead and move your amendment number one, mark day.

2262
02:52:35,000 --> 02:52:37,000
Thank you, madam president.

2263
02:52:37,000 --> 02:52:40,000
Amendment.

2264
02:52:40,000 --> 02:52:44,000
On page one, line nineteen, imagine a man section one as follows.

2265
02:52:44,000 --> 02:52:47,000
Section one, the city clerk is instructed to place the following proposal.

2266
02:52:47,000 --> 02:52:49,000
Twenty twenty five regular local election ballot.

2267
02:52:49,000 --> 02:52:56,000
And the qualified voters of the city of Albuquerque shall be permitted to vote for or against the following proposition.

2268
02:52:56,000 --> 02:53:03,000
Amendment adds in in consultation with Bernoulli O'Connor clerk and or secretary of state in the city clerk shall be authority.

2269
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:05,000
Modify the proposal has to form.

2270
02:53:05,000 --> 02:53:08,000
As to form to conform with applicable law.

2271
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:18,000
This amendment proposes to allow city clerk to collaborate with Bernoulli O'Connor clerk and or secretary of state to finalize placing this proposition on the twenty twenty five regular local election ballot.

2272
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:23,000
Including making formatting it to ensure the proposition complies with legal requirements.

2273
02:53:23,000 --> 02:53:27,000
There's a motion for amendment number one with a second from councilor Sanchez.

2274
02:53:27,000 --> 02:53:32,000
I will say it's the clerk can make a correction in between the word authority and modify to add the word to.

2275
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:33,000
I think.

2276
02:53:33,000 --> 02:53:34,000
No word.

2277
02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:38,000
Seems as well that's missing but it should just be a clerk's correction.

2278
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:43,000
Councilors any questions or comments.

2279
02:53:43,000 --> 02:53:44,000
All right.

2280
02:53:44,000 --> 02:53:46,000
Councilor Boko to close.

2281
02:53:47,000 --> 02:53:48,000
All those.

2282
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:51,000
Councilors all those in favor of amendment number one to our one nineteen.

2283
02:53:51,000 --> 02:53:53,000
Please raise your hand and say yes.

2284
02:53:53,000 --> 02:53:57,000
Anyone opposed that looks like it passes on a nine zero vote.

2285
02:53:57,000 --> 02:54:00,000
We are back on our one nineteen.

2286
02:54:00,000 --> 02:54:03,000
Councilors any questions or comments.

2287
02:54:03,000 --> 02:54:05,000
Councilor Boko to close.

2288
02:54:05,000 --> 02:54:06,000
Thank you, Madam President.

2289
02:54:06,000 --> 02:54:08,000
I urge your sport.

2290
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:13,000
Councilors all those in favor of a due pass of our one nineteen as amended.

2291
02:54:13,000 --> 02:54:15,000
Please raise your hand and say yes.

2292
02:54:16,000 --> 02:54:17,000
Anyone opposed.

2293
02:54:17,000 --> 02:54:19,000
That passes on a nine zero vote.

2294
02:54:19,000 --> 02:54:22,000
Moving on to.

2295
02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:24,000
Agenda item D.

2296
02:54:24,000 --> 02:54:27,000
Moment you all most of you have been waiting for.

2297
02:54:27,000 --> 02:54:30,000
Councilor Lewis and Boko are one twenty two.

2298
02:54:30,000 --> 02:54:33,000
Madam President are one twenty two is establishing minimum staffing.

2299
02:54:33,000 --> 02:54:36,000
Primants for property fire rescue rescue apparatus.

2300
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:38,000
Some overdue pass.

2301
02:54:38,000 --> 02:54:41,000
There is a motion for our one twenty two is their second.

2302
02:54:41,000 --> 02:54:43,000
There's a second from councilor Boko.

2303
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:46,000
Councilor Lewis and Boko to open.

2304
02:54:46,000 --> 02:54:47,000
Thank you.

2305
02:54:47,000 --> 02:54:48,000
President.

2306
02:54:48,000 --> 02:54:51,000
Just a couple things about the resolution.

2307
02:54:51,000 --> 02:54:53,000
I want to just read a few comments.

2308
02:54:53,000 --> 02:54:55,000
I mean, first of all, the resolution.

2309
02:54:55,000 --> 02:54:56,000
It reaffirms.

2310
02:54:56,000 --> 02:55:01,000
The policy establishing the minimum standards for providing care.

2311
02:55:01,000 --> 02:55:03,000
In the city of advocacy.

2312
02:55:03,000 --> 02:55:06,000
The resolution actually complies with the charter.

2313
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:09,000
Which says section eight council powers.

2314
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:12,000
The council have to have the power to adopt all ordinances.

2315
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:16,000
The resolution or other legislation can do so to the welfare.

2316
02:55:16,000 --> 02:55:18,000
Of the people of the city.

2317
02:55:18,000 --> 02:55:21,000
So our ordinance are charter.

2318
02:55:21,000 --> 02:55:24,000
You know, certainly gives us the ability to be able to.

2319
02:55:24,000 --> 02:55:26,000
Way in on any decision.

2320
02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:28,000
You know, relating to our ordinances and I would.

2321
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:33,000
Also, just refer back to, you know, the bill involves really.

2322
02:55:33,000 --> 02:55:36,000
It's an amendment to R 1641.

2323
02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:39,000
In 2016 it was enacted.

2324
02:55:40,000 --> 02:55:43,000
And it established minimum staffing requirements for F.R.

2325
02:55:43,000 --> 02:55:46,000
For the Indian apparatus for rescue apparatus.

2326
02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:49,000
Latter hazardous material squads.

2327
02:55:49,000 --> 02:55:53,000
Heavy technical rescue squads quality assurance units.

2328
02:55:53,000 --> 02:55:55,000
That resolution.

2329
02:55:55,000 --> 02:55:56,000
Established.

2330
02:55:56,000 --> 02:55:59,000
Battalion commander units and support divisions.

2331
02:55:59,000 --> 02:56:02,000
The amendment applies to rescue apparatus.

2332
02:56:02,000 --> 02:56:05,000
And is intended to to maintain.

2333
02:56:05,000 --> 02:56:07,000
To codify.

2334
02:56:07,000 --> 02:56:11,000
The minimum of two paramedic firefighters per rescue apparatus unit.

2335
02:56:11,000 --> 02:56:15,000
Because rescue units have two firefighters.

2336
02:56:15,000 --> 02:56:17,000
Of the highest level.

2337
02:56:17,000 --> 02:56:20,000
Of pre-hospital licensure.

2338
02:56:20,000 --> 02:56:23,000
Paramedic delivered life saving.

2339
02:56:23,000 --> 02:56:26,000
Eight as swiftly as possible.

2340
02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:32,000
And so again, just to make point that, you know, the council has.

2341
02:56:32,000 --> 02:56:41,000
Had did in 2016 and often has given, you know, direction and and a policy related to.

2342
02:56:41,000 --> 02:56:42,000
Lated to AFR staffing.

2343
02:56:42,000 --> 02:56:44,000
ABD staffing.

2344
02:56:44,000 --> 02:56:46,000
To equipment.

2345
02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:48,000
To stations.

2346
02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:54,000
This is certainly what we, you know, we've, we've done in the past and continue to do.

2347
02:56:54,000 --> 02:56:57,000
Why immediate action on this tonight?

2348
02:56:57,000 --> 02:56:59,000
I mean, just real clearly.

2349
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:08,000
The administration is, you know, looking to implement a pretty sweeping change.

2350
02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:11,000
You know, to the staffing requirements.

2351
02:57:11,000 --> 02:57:17,000
I mean, I mean, it'd be a sweeping change to the staffing requirements in my district.

2352
02:57:17,000 --> 02:57:20,000
Certainly all over the city.

2353
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:26,000
And, you know, and so again, why the immediate action?

2354
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:30,000
This gives us an opportunity to help make that decision.

2355
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:36,000
As opposed to it, being made, you know, this week and and a pretty significant change to that.

2356
02:57:36,000 --> 02:57:41,000
And so I know there's a different difference in opinion.

2357
02:57:41,000 --> 02:57:49,000
But I think there's clearly a case that two medics on a rescue is the best possible.

2358
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:54,000
The service given, you know, to our community.

2359
02:57:54,000 --> 02:58:02,000
And I believe the, you know, the firefighters, the medics, the experts that are providing the service every day.

2360
02:58:02,000 --> 02:58:04,000
Certainly feels strongly that way this way.

2361
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:07,000
And again, this is our current system.

2362
02:58:07,000 --> 02:58:13,000
And I think it's something that's, it's really touted around the country, including by our department.

2363
02:58:13,000 --> 02:58:18,000
As, as you know, I mean, it's looked at as a real.

2364
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:30,000
Mark around the country, a standard around the country, where other departments I know come to and look to us for the kind of expertise and the kind of staffing that makes a big impact.

2365
02:58:30,000 --> 02:58:31,000
And so.

2366
02:58:31,000 --> 02:58:37,000
So that's what this, I mean, again, the bill simply, you know, codifies what the current system that's in place.

2367
02:58:37,000 --> 02:58:43,000
I know there's been some pilot programs and there's some data regarding those pilot programs.

2368
02:58:43,000 --> 02:58:50,000
I don't believe there's any data that really shows any results of city wide or department wide.

2369
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:54,000
Making the kind of changes that are that are being looked at to it.

2370
02:58:54,000 --> 02:58:55,000
So.

2371
02:58:55,000 --> 02:58:57,000
So Madam, Madam.

2372
02:58:57,000 --> 02:59:00,000
President, I think we have public comment and we can go from there.

2373
02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:02,000
Let's count your bucket.

2374
02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:03,000
Okay.

2375
02:59:03,000 --> 02:59:04,000
So we're going to move on.

2376
02:59:04,000 --> 02:59:05,000
We finished with the opening.

2377
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:07,000
We're going to move on to public comment.

2378
02:59:07,000 --> 02:59:08,000
Mr. Cornelius.

2379
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:09,000
Thank you, Madam President.

2380
02:59:09,000 --> 02:59:27,000
Our first speaker is Christopher Epley, followed by Alberto Ortega.

2381
02:59:27,000 --> 02:59:32,000
First, thank you to the council president and city council members for the time and platform to speak here tonight.

2382
02:59:32,000 --> 02:59:33,000
It's much appreciated.

2383
02:59:33,000 --> 02:59:34,000
My name is Christopher Epley.

2384
02:59:34,000 --> 02:59:38,000
I am the IFF local 244 secretary and had been with AFR for 15 years.

2385
02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:41,000
I will be speaking in favor of the resolution.

2386
02:59:41,000 --> 02:59:48,000
We've heard from our administration in the last several months that their proposed changes to our staffing model will deliver a higher level of service.

2387
02:59:48,000 --> 02:59:50,000
I do not share this opinion.

2388
02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:56,000
The proposed changes will dilute an industry leading model effectively lowering the bar with which we measure our success.

2389
02:59:56,000 --> 03:00:00,000
Additionally, our fire admins proposal represents the largest operational change.

2390
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:13,000
Which has changed the AFR in 40 years. Six months, six months, a repeated request and outreach from the local 244 has been met with refusal to have an open conversation, and a collaborative discussion on the issue.

2391
03:00:13,000 --> 03:00:22,000
In fact, we were told that they were not obligated to have this conversation with us. I could not disagree more, not obligated.

2392
03:00:22,000 --> 03:00:27,200
And it's an interesting concept that you don't hear in the fire station, the implication that

2393
03:00:27,200 --> 03:00:30,440
you don't have to do, or that you only do what is required and no more.

2394
03:00:30,440 --> 03:00:32,320
That's for us.

2395
03:00:32,320 --> 03:00:36,640
Our foundation of eyes begin and end with sacrifice and doing what is right.

2396
03:00:36,640 --> 03:00:37,640
Sacrifice and doing what is right.

2397
03:00:37,640 --> 03:00:38,640
Thank you.

2398
03:00:38,640 --> 03:00:49,760
Alberto Ortega, followed by Greg Montoya, council president of the Sun, members of the Council.

2399
03:00:49,760 --> 03:00:51,240
My name is Alberto Ortega.

2400
03:00:51,240 --> 03:00:55,600
I stand here before you as a citizen of Albuquerque and also retired captain from Albuquerque

2401
03:00:55,600 --> 03:00:58,800
Fire, former vice president of local 24.

2402
03:00:58,800 --> 03:01:00,960
I strongly support R25-122.

2403
03:01:00,960 --> 03:01:03,600
I'm a third generation firefighter.

2404
03:01:03,600 --> 03:01:08,080
My family has a deep tradition of serving our city, generation after generation.

2405
03:01:08,080 --> 03:01:11,920
We have given our lives and services to this department and our community.

2406
03:01:11,920 --> 03:01:15,560
I mentioned service and tradition because that's what I believe we're talking about here.

2407
03:01:15,560 --> 03:01:20,120
A tradition of writing the best fire and fire-based EMS service in the country.

2408
03:01:20,120 --> 03:01:25,200
The tradition of AFD, AFR, started when EMS and ALS service began here.

2409
03:01:25,200 --> 03:01:29,200
It was here that the gold standard of fire-based EMS service was installed.

2410
03:01:29,200 --> 03:01:34,480
The tradition of having two highly trained paramedics on one rescue, transport, capable truck

2411
03:01:34,480 --> 03:01:36,600
in every corner of the city.

2412
03:01:36,600 --> 03:01:41,480
The tradition of providing the best care and medical treatment anyone in Albuquerque could ask for.

2413
03:01:41,480 --> 03:01:45,760
The tradition of going above and beyond our citizens deserve nothing less.

2414
03:01:45,800 --> 03:01:50,760
I want to thank Council members Lewis and Baca for bringing this to the Council for and their leadership.

2415
03:01:50,760 --> 03:01:52,760
Thank you.

2416
03:01:52,760 --> 03:02:00,760
Greg Montoya, followed by Sam Trujillo.

2417
03:02:00,760 --> 03:02:02,760
Thank you, Madam President, Councillors.

2418
03:02:02,760 --> 03:02:10,760
My name is Greg Montoya, the captain of Albuquerque Fire and also local 244 vice president.

2419
03:02:10,760 --> 03:02:17,760
I want to thank the Councillors, Councillor Lewis and Councillor Baca for sponsoring this resolution.

2420
03:02:17,760 --> 03:02:22,760
It speaks volumes for us to maintain this level of care to our citizens.

2421
03:02:22,760 --> 03:02:25,760
And it is about safety, like Councillor Lewis said.

2422
03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:30,760
That's why this resolution was implemented back in 2016 to maintain these safe staff and levels.

2423
03:02:30,760 --> 03:02:32,760
It's about safety for our paramedics.

2424
03:02:32,760 --> 03:02:38,760
We have to make those split decisions on seeing whether across checking medication, coordinating patient care.

2425
03:02:38,760 --> 03:02:42,760
The safety of the patient, your constituent, is getting that high level of care.

2426
03:02:42,760 --> 03:02:45,760
And more importantly, it's about our safety as well.

2427
03:02:45,760 --> 03:02:49,760
You know, God forbid one of my brother's sisters goes down in a fire.

2428
03:02:49,760 --> 03:02:53,760
We have that two medic rescue that's there to treat them as well.

2429
03:02:53,760 --> 03:02:54,760
So it's about our safety.

2430
03:02:54,760 --> 03:02:56,760
That's a big component of it.

2431
03:02:56,760 --> 03:03:05,760
You know, even in our staffing policy on page 10, it clearly states that we respond with two paramedics on a rescue.

2432
03:03:05,760 --> 03:03:07,760
One is non-prepared.

2433
03:03:07,760 --> 03:03:09,760
So thank you.

2434
03:03:09,760 --> 03:03:12,760
I would just support on this resolution.

2435
03:03:12,760 --> 03:03:18,760
Sam Truhill, followed by Rob Spella.

2436
03:03:18,760 --> 03:03:21,760
We try to be a little quicker this time.

2437
03:03:21,760 --> 03:03:26,760
You know, as a paramedic, there's two times in your life that you witness the miracle.

2438
03:03:26,760 --> 03:03:27,760
One is childbirth.

2439
03:03:27,760 --> 03:03:31,760
And the other one is when you can bring somebody back from the other side.

2440
03:03:31,760 --> 03:03:36,760
Childbirth, the mother does a majority of the work but with her to assist.

2441
03:03:37,760 --> 03:03:44,760
In the other situation, one paramedic alone has a hard time in bringing somebody back immediately.

2442
03:03:44,760 --> 03:03:52,760
That's why it requires two people to arrive in at the same time to get the lifesaving techniques going and so forth.

2443
03:03:52,760 --> 03:03:58,760
I encourage you to please, please maintain the hermedic rescue,

2444
03:03:58,760 --> 03:04:04,760
planning that you have right now with improvement, medication, technology.

2445
03:04:04,760 --> 03:04:09,760
And of course, triage by the dispatches and so forth.

2446
03:04:09,760 --> 03:04:14,760
We can better serve the community knowing when to dispatch and where to dispatch.

2447
03:04:14,760 --> 03:04:16,760
A two-man rescue.

2448
03:04:16,760 --> 03:04:18,760
Thank you.

2449
03:04:18,760 --> 03:04:25,760
Rob Spella, followed by Robert Hironio.

2450
03:04:25,760 --> 03:04:34,760
Hello, I just wanted to add that some of the criticisms you might hear about the current model that we have is that it's a luxury.

2451
03:04:34,760 --> 03:04:38,760
It's a luxury that's unsustainable that's afforded to us.

2452
03:04:38,760 --> 03:04:41,760
There's nothing luxurious about what we do in our line of work.

2453
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:46,760
And there's nothing afforded to us at all.

2454
03:04:46,760 --> 03:04:54,760
With the current model we have, we are protected, we look out for each other, we cover each other through a level of accountability, the highest degree of our licensure.

2455
03:04:54,760 --> 03:05:05,760
I'm thinking that if this passes, that will go away, but what goes away even more is something that's held to your constituents.

2456
03:05:05,760 --> 03:05:09,760
The degree of care that they're giving, that will go away as well, and certain aspects.

2457
03:05:09,760 --> 03:05:15,760
And if you want to talk about sustainability, we've been doing this already, like the Councilman said for decades.

2458
03:05:15,760 --> 03:05:19,760
For as long as I've been in this department, that has been the model that has been the standard of care.

2459
03:05:19,760 --> 03:05:21,760
We're simply asking you guys to vote to keep it.

2460
03:05:21,760 --> 03:05:23,760
Thank you.

2461
03:05:24,760 --> 03:05:27,760
Robert Haramiel, followed by Ashley Long.

2462
03:05:36,760 --> 03:05:39,760
Ashley Long, followed by Guest Pidradi.

2463
03:05:42,760 --> 03:05:44,760
Good evening, Madam President.

2464
03:05:44,760 --> 03:05:48,760
Counselors, let me first say it's really really wonderful to be on the same side.

2465
03:05:48,760 --> 03:05:51,760
Counselor Lewis will really glad we're collaborating on this front.

2466
03:05:51,760 --> 03:05:57,760
I'm the President of the International Association of Machineess and Aerospace Workers, and obviously I represent the overall labor community as well.

2467
03:05:57,760 --> 03:06:07,760
And there's nothing better and I'm sorry, and I'm also a constituent of counselors such as there's nothing better that you need to hear than what the workers that are actually doing the job are telling you.

2468
03:06:07,760 --> 03:06:14,760
So please stand with them, stand with our paramedics, stand with our first responders, stand with the International Association of firefighters.

2469
03:06:14,760 --> 03:06:15,760
Thank you.

2470
03:06:16,760 --> 03:06:19,760
Guest Pidradi, followed by Christian me.

2471
03:06:21,760 --> 03:06:24,760
Counsel President, Counselors, thank you for having me back to this podium.

2472
03:06:24,760 --> 03:06:27,760
There are two things that I think are really important to understand about the minimum system.

2473
03:06:27,760 --> 03:06:30,760
First of all, yours is operating a triage to dispatch system.

2474
03:06:30,760 --> 03:06:36,760
So that means we're working really hard to discern what's happening on scene and get the right resource to the right call, right?

2475
03:06:36,760 --> 03:06:39,760
A Fender Bender is a car accident, so is a rollover.

2476
03:06:39,760 --> 03:06:41,760
They don't get the same trucks, right?

2477
03:06:41,760 --> 03:06:44,760
We don't deploy our heavy technical rescue to the Fender Bender.

2478
03:06:44,760 --> 03:06:49,760
This is the exact same issue we're facing with this idea of resource medical licensure.

2479
03:06:49,760 --> 03:06:52,760
We want to keep medics available for patients.

2480
03:06:52,760 --> 03:07:00,760
If you don't have a true expansion, if you don't have two paramedics on that rescue and then another ALS provider on the engine, you are diluting.

2481
03:07:00,760 --> 03:07:03,760
You are putting that medical licensure on a dumpster fire.

2482
03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:08,760
You are putting that medical licensure on down to power lines for hours waiting for P&M.

2483
03:07:08,760 --> 03:07:10,760
They can't respond to a patient.

2484
03:07:10,760 --> 03:07:16,760
You are putting that licensure on fire watch, waiting to see if something will rekindle, sitting at night.

2485
03:07:16,760 --> 03:07:21,760
What this is offering us today in the current model of supposed expansion is a trade-off.

2486
03:07:21,760 --> 03:07:27,760
Are you willing to trade the two medics that serve that family last night for somebody watching a dumpster fire?

2487
03:07:27,760 --> 03:07:29,760
For us, that price isn't worth it.

2488
03:07:29,760 --> 03:07:32,760
True no expansion is worth it, this is delusion.

2489
03:07:32,760 --> 03:07:33,760
Thank you.

2490
03:07:34,760 --> 03:07:37,760
Christiane, followed by John Round.

2491
03:07:46,760 --> 03:07:49,760
John Round, followed by Joaquin Grego.

2492
03:07:51,760 --> 03:07:53,760
Thank you, Council President and Council.

2493
03:07:53,760 --> 03:07:54,760
My name is John Round.

2494
03:07:54,760 --> 03:07:56,760
I'm a current battalion chief at Albuquerque Fire.

2495
03:07:56,760 --> 03:07:58,760
I'm here with my union brothers and sisters.

2496
03:07:58,760 --> 03:08:01,760
I would like to speak about the importance of our two paramedic rescue system.

2497
03:08:01,760 --> 03:08:05,760
I believe in the two paramedic rescue system for every high-cute call for aid.

2498
03:08:05,760 --> 03:08:10,760
I'm a battalion chief covering the Northeast Hides, including District 4, 7 and 8.

2499
03:08:10,760 --> 03:08:18,760
Under the Fire Chief Plan, if Rescue 15 on Academy response to the air is north or east of there with another district's engine company,

2500
03:08:18,760 --> 03:08:21,760
there will only be a single paramedic driver on that response.

2501
03:08:21,760 --> 03:08:28,760
One, only one medic on scene for cardiac arrest in the Northeast Hides or anywhere in our city is an unacceptable

2502
03:08:28,760 --> 03:08:30,760
diminishment of services to our citizens.

2503
03:08:30,760 --> 03:08:38,760
If enacted, I believe there will be absolutely, there will absolutely be an unnecessary desk that occur as a direct result of this decision.

2504
03:08:38,760 --> 03:08:42,760
This will place the city at risk for multimillion dollar lawsuits.

2505
03:08:42,760 --> 03:08:48,760
Paramedics under this will burn out quicker, and with no other options may lead the department all together.

2506
03:08:48,760 --> 03:08:53,760
Those that stay have an increased likelihood of depression, anxiety, and suicide.

2507
03:08:53,760 --> 03:08:55,760
Thank you.

2508
03:08:56,760 --> 03:08:58,760
Thank you.

2509
03:08:58,760 --> 03:08:59,760
Thank you.

2510
03:08:59,760 --> 03:09:01,760
Thank you.

2511
03:09:01,760 --> 03:09:03,760
Thank you.

2512
03:09:03,760 --> 03:09:05,760
Madam President, members of the board.

2513
03:09:05,760 --> 03:09:07,760
Thank you for having me here today.

2514
03:09:07,760 --> 03:09:08,760
My name is Joaquin Griello.

2515
03:09:08,760 --> 03:09:14,760
I've been serving this city with the Albuquerque Fire Rescue for 18 years currently at the rank of captain,

2516
03:09:14,760 --> 03:09:18,760
proudly serving in one of those busiest stations in the city station five.

2517
03:09:18,760 --> 03:09:24,760
I serve alongside the men and women behind me, and I have the opportunity to work in the field

2518
03:09:24,760 --> 03:09:27,760
and talk on a daily basis with the rank and file.

2519
03:09:27,760 --> 03:09:33,760
An issue that concerns me that I'd like to express and share with you is the issue of morale.

2520
03:09:33,760 --> 03:09:37,760
In the 18 years that I've been a part of this department, there have been many highs and many lows,

2521
03:09:37,760 --> 03:09:43,760
but never have I seen what's going on with the delusion of the rescues.

2522
03:09:43,760 --> 03:09:50,760
We're seeing paramedics drop their licensure because that's a direct result of this splitting of the rescue.

2523
03:09:50,760 --> 03:10:01,760
We're seeing senior firefighters attributing their retirement to this, and many more considering and re-evaluating their tenure at AFR.

2524
03:10:01,760 --> 03:10:07,760
Those are seasoned veterans that shape mold the young firefighters that come out today into the field.

2525
03:10:07,760 --> 03:10:12,760
I ask that you take care of those that take care of you in yours and support the gold standard,

2526
03:10:12,760 --> 03:10:15,760
which is our 2512.

2527
03:10:15,760 --> 03:10:18,760
Thank you.

2528
03:10:18,760 --> 03:10:21,760
Miguel Tittman, followed by Brian Priswine.

2529
03:10:21,760 --> 03:10:25,760
Madam President and Councillors, we have heard from the people in the front lines.

2530
03:10:25,760 --> 03:10:28,760
We're going to hear an industry SME. We've heard from our retirees.

2531
03:10:28,760 --> 03:10:32,760
We're here to be heard, and we thank you for the opportunity to be heard in this public forum.

2532
03:10:32,760 --> 03:10:37,760
And even though we do not feel heard by our administration, we will continue to work in good faith to approve our service.

2533
03:10:37,760 --> 03:10:46,760
Just in the past six weeks, we've had a 244 E-board member, also feeling unheard, but working to secure millions of dollars in capital outlet money on behalf of our department.

2534
03:10:46,760 --> 03:10:52,760
We sit on the joint organization of education working group to provide solutions to the statewide EMS training challenges.

2535
03:10:52,760 --> 03:10:57,760
We are working the problems in providing the solutions in good faith, because more paramedics is the goal.

2536
03:10:57,760 --> 03:11:03,760
A-less expansions of the goal with three paramedics of the station, not with two. That's delusion.

2537
03:11:03,760 --> 03:11:08,760
Yet the proposed operational change is an abandonment for what is our firefighters values and let it be clear.

2538
03:11:08,760 --> 03:11:12,760
The intention of this administration is to abandon our two paramedic registry system.

2539
03:11:12,760 --> 03:11:17,760
The first proposal by management included every rescue to be split, the gold standard and service delivery.

2540
03:11:17,760 --> 03:11:23,760
And you must ask yourself, why would management be imposing an abandonment of the gold standard?

2541
03:11:23,760 --> 03:11:27,760
We were here in 2016 when management also tried to impose a deluding our service to connecting with our staffing.

2542
03:11:27,760 --> 03:11:34,760
This resolution is referenced in our staffing policy. We urge your support, allows to continue providing the best service and help us save more lives.

2543
03:11:34,760 --> 03:11:38,760
The stories told by a brother Pajradi is an everyday occurrence.

2544
03:11:38,760 --> 03:11:40,760
We urge your support.

2545
03:11:40,760 --> 03:11:45,760
Brian Breeze wine followed by Robert McClentock on Zoom.

2546
03:11:54,760 --> 03:12:09,760
Robert McClentock followed by Matt Watkins.

2547
03:12:10,760 --> 03:12:11,760
Good evening.

2548
03:12:11,760 --> 03:12:17,760
Speaking on behalf of the local 244 as a subject matter expert from a national perspective on resolution 25122.

2549
03:12:17,760 --> 03:12:25,760
My name is Rob McClentock on the acting assistant to the general president of the technical assistance and information resource division with the International Association of Firefighters.

2550
03:12:25,760 --> 03:12:28,760
Part of our services that we provide are local affiliates and fire departments.

2551
03:12:28,760 --> 03:12:34,760
And we build the MS system delivery models on the ground up as well as analyze that as sport the enhancement of services.

2552
03:12:34,760 --> 03:12:37,760
Firebase the MS the palms are about to their citizens.

2553
03:12:37,760 --> 03:12:42,760
Well, there are many fire departments across the country that maintain a two paramedic transport ambulance.

2554
03:12:42,760 --> 03:12:51,760
Your fire department, MS system is truly providing your city with this gold standard of care for your residents and guests by deploying two paramedics on the transport ambulance.

2555
03:12:51,760 --> 03:12:55,760
And any reduction in this service can be detrimental to patient outcomes.

2556
03:12:55,760 --> 03:13:00,760
Two paramedics arrive on transport ambulance provide optimum and timely patient care for critically ill and injured.

2557
03:13:00,760 --> 03:13:07,760
These are life-saving measures that require multiple paramedic interventions that can occur simultaneously with two paramedics.

2558
03:13:07,760 --> 03:13:14,760
Two paramedics arrive on transport ambulance provide the ability to initiate and begin patient care on several critical patients until further system arrives on scene.

2559
03:13:14,760 --> 03:13:26,760
The final line medical direction is in need of but can be reached the paramedics have an equal partner to share protocols and procedures and gives the proper attention to the patient.

2560
03:13:26,760 --> 03:13:32,760
And conclusion I just would like to say that I offer the support and I hope you offer support for the Alberta.

2561
03:13:32,760 --> 03:13:37,760
Abercurti fire rescue continue with this two person transport model.

2562
03:13:37,760 --> 03:13:40,760
Thank you.

2563
03:13:40,760 --> 03:13:44,760
Thank you.

2564
03:13:44,760 --> 03:13:47,760
Madam President and Councillor members.

2565
03:13:47,760 --> 03:13:48,760
My name is Matt Watkins.

2566
03:13:48,760 --> 03:13:52,760
I've served for 12 years with the fire and currently hold the rank of paramedic captain.

2567
03:13:52,760 --> 03:13:58,760
The unit in AFR leadership both agree that LS expansion is absolutely needed for the citizens of Albuquerque.

2568
03:13:58,760 --> 03:14:01,760
We are currently in disagreement on how to go about it.

2569
03:14:01,760 --> 03:14:06,760
We are one of the fortunate departments around the country that still have the ability to run a double medic rescue.

2570
03:14:06,760 --> 03:14:08,760
I'm serving on the rescue for over half a mic for repair.

2571
03:14:08,760 --> 03:14:12,760
I'm confident that we should keep as many double medic rescue staff as possible.

2572
03:14:12,760 --> 03:14:16,760
However, getting more paramedics and intermediates on engines is just as important.

2573
03:14:16,760 --> 03:14:24,760
We currently have 62 members assigned to fire suppression apparatus who hold a paramedic or intermediate license.

2574
03:14:24,760 --> 03:14:26,760
30 of them being paramedics.

2575
03:14:26,760 --> 03:14:34,760
If we utilize these members wisely, we could keep our double medic rescue and have increased ALS coverage in districts where it is absolutely needed.

2576
03:14:34,760 --> 03:14:46,760
Regardless of this resolution passing, I hope this at least gets the conversation back to the table with both AFR and union leadership, so that we can provide the best service possible for both the citizens and AFR members.

2577
03:14:46,760 --> 03:14:48,760
Thank you.

2578
03:14:48,760 --> 03:14:50,760
Matthew, answered a few words in.

2579
03:14:50,760 --> 03:14:52,760
Could you please raise your hand?

2580
03:14:54,760 --> 03:14:56,760
I see him Matthew.

2581
03:14:56,760 --> 03:15:00,760
Madam President, those that are not President and Zoom.

2582
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:10,000
Item at this time is Salida Herrera, Diane Richards, Cynthia Sade, Michael Zipkovitch and Kayla Nelson and Matthew

2583
03:15:10,000 --> 03:15:13,000
Asher. Thank you. That concludes comment.

2584
03:15:13,000 --> 03:15:20,000
Thank you. I'm going to go to Councillor Baca if he wants to do his open, but then I want to go to

2585
03:15:20,000 --> 03:15:27,000
Adamann with the CAO and us by our chief Hottomeo to give their input as well.

2586
03:15:27,000 --> 03:15:28,000
Does he want to start it?

2587
03:15:28,000 --> 03:15:34,000
Thank you, Madam President. Ideally, the union and leadership would have figured this out long

2588
03:15:34,000 --> 03:15:37,000
before we ever got to this point.

2589
03:15:37,000 --> 03:15:44,000
Chief Hottomeo is repeatedly come up here and talk about how we are the national model.

2590
03:15:44,000 --> 03:15:46,000
We are the gold standard.

2591
03:15:46,000 --> 03:15:50,000
I do find a concern that the changes that are being proposed.

2592
03:15:50,000 --> 03:15:56,000
More than that, look to the men and women who take care of our city, our people and everybody.

2593
03:15:56,000 --> 03:15:58,000
And I'm listening to what they have to say.

2594
03:15:58,000 --> 03:16:02,000
And so I stand with our union when they say this is what we need here in our city.

2595
03:16:02,000 --> 03:16:04,000
This is what we need to maintain.

2596
03:16:04,000 --> 03:16:06,000
Thank you.

2597
03:16:06,000 --> 03:16:13,000
Madam President, members of the council, thank you for a few moments to talk.

2598
03:16:13,000 --> 03:16:16,000
Related to this topic, obviously.

2599
03:16:16,000 --> 03:16:21,000
As a professional administrator, I've had many years of working with unions.

2600
03:16:21,000 --> 03:16:31,000
And obviously, now work across the city with all of our unions and have a clear track record of supporting the tenants of collective bargaining.

2601
03:16:31,000 --> 03:16:38,000
I think it's really frankly concerning that IFF is now going back on.

2602
03:16:38,000 --> 03:16:42,000
And it was a negotiated CBA that I think was a favorable CBA.

2603
03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:50,000
We worked very hard to ensure that we met with their goals within this most recent negotiation.

2604
03:16:50,000 --> 03:16:54,000
I honor the work of our firefighters and the work that they do.

2605
03:16:54,000 --> 03:17:00,000
And as we said at the table to negotiate and ensure that we're hearing what is important to them and working through that.

2606
03:17:00,000 --> 03:17:05,000
In the CBA that was signed by IFF, IFF President,

2607
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:15,000
The agreement clearly states that it does not limit the management rights as stated during the labor management relations ordinance.

2608
03:17:15,000 --> 03:17:18,000
That ordinance that you all have passed.

2609
03:17:18,000 --> 03:17:23,000
It states that Fire Chief Automio has the right to determine staffing requirements.

2610
03:17:23,000 --> 03:17:27,000
And that's done through that what we know is our bid process.

2611
03:17:27,000 --> 03:17:34,000
It also states that the labor board as is the body that has the authority to alter the scope and that we would adhere to if the labor board makes it.

2612
03:17:34,000 --> 03:17:40,000
The labor board makes a decision and an ultimately as well if a court that has jurisdiction that overturns that scope.

2613
03:17:40,000 --> 03:17:49,000
It's also true that this CBA that was signed into effect on July 1st for 2024 through June 30th,

2614
03:17:49,000 --> 03:18:00,000
2027 provides for paramedic pay that the union indicated was necessary when they signed the MOU for the pilot operation that we had.

2615
03:18:00,000 --> 03:18:10,000
And we ensured that we provided a fund pay for paramedics in this alternate model with the split.

2616
03:18:10,000 --> 03:18:15,000
Rescus and where we have tested in multiple stations.

2617
03:18:15,000 --> 03:18:26,000
I don't want to take the facts and away from what I think is important for Chief Automio to have the opportunity to talk through with you all.

2618
03:18:26,000 --> 03:18:30,000
But I do want to address the specifically are 1641.

2619
03:18:30,000 --> 03:18:41,000
When it was passed in 2016 here in these chambers with with Councillor Lewis as president of the board or at least chair of that board meeting.

2620
03:18:41,000 --> 03:18:43,000
That council meeting.

2621
03:18:43,000 --> 03:18:54,000
Both a city counselor and the CAO at the time acknowledged that the resolution itself likely infringed on the separation of powers.

2622
03:18:54,000 --> 03:19:00,000
They agreed to the resolution at the time that you today are attempting to amend.

2623
03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:06,000
They agreed to the amendment to that resolution based upon the removal of the word paramedic.

2624
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:12,000
So specifically the word today that you all are considering in that meeting the administration.

2625
03:19:12,000 --> 03:19:22,000
When that was struck, they agreed to the resolution because they felt that it reflected the administration's current staffing.

2626
03:19:22,000 --> 03:19:29,000
And so they were willing to accept the separate powers concerns that were acknowledged during that meeting.

2627
03:19:29,000 --> 03:19:40,000
I think it's just important to note that in believing in the labor management process, the collective bargaining process and the role of the labor management of the labor board.

2628
03:19:40,000 --> 03:19:47,000
It is critical that we allow the issues that are before us to be determined through that process.

2629
03:19:47,000 --> 03:19:59,000
As a city council, you do not typically, you don't determine how many food safety inspectors or electrical inspectors have to be on site both safety matters.

2630
03:19:59,000 --> 03:20:05,000
You don't determine whether or not office AP officers, how many APD officers right in a vehicle.

2631
03:20:05,000 --> 03:20:11,000
And those staffing decisions are left to the directors of our departments who are here.

2632
03:20:11,000 --> 03:20:22,000
Also, because this is concern, as we said, staffing decisions through legislation that could impact every director and the departments that live that they lead.

2633
03:20:22,000 --> 03:20:26,000
We've said that those decisions are department director decisions.

2634
03:20:26,000 --> 03:20:40,000
I think the last thing at point I just want to make is that you have received a memo that I share with you based upon our city attorneys review and a legal opinion related to multiple.

2635
03:20:40,000 --> 03:20:48,000
It's related to multiple items related to this resolution, tripping up with multiple ordinances that we have.

2636
03:20:48,000 --> 03:20:58,000
That is the labor management relations ordinance, the merit system ordinance, both of which outline the processes by which we would.

2637
03:20:58,000 --> 03:21:06,000
Deliver on our staffing decisions as well as how we would resolve these matters before the labor board.

2638
03:21:06,000 --> 03:21:22,000
This is a prohibitive practice complaint pending before our labor board filed by IFF and you're aware that we have filed of course a prohibitive practice complaint related to the actions of.

2639
03:21:22,000 --> 03:21:41,000
IFF as well as the city councils in terms of interference with the labor management process fundamentally we have a decision to make tonight around where the decision process lies in determining staffing whether it's we agree that it's an executive function within the city.

2640
03:21:41,000 --> 03:21:50,000
Whether we believe these disputes and and disagreements should be handled through the labor management process with our labor management board who makes those decisions.

2641
03:21:50,000 --> 03:22:07,000
And ultimately those upholding the process of what we all have agreed we believe in which is the collective bargaining process that the union and management have worked together to negotiate a contract including paramedic pay that upholds our.

2642
03:22:08,000 --> 03:22:24,000
Management rights to staffing I do want to you of course leave the technical focus determination and discussion to chief how to me, but I do want to meant say that we have multiple pieces of information that have been provided to you.

2643
03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:32,000
And I think it's important to note that I are we are making a decision tonight about the addition of this model that has been tested.

2644
03:22:33,000 --> 03:22:51,000
And that has been tested in multiple stations and it's an addition to a smaller number of stations with an addition of four versus a department wide implementation based upon our chiefs decision to listen to feedback from within the department.

2645
03:22:51,000 --> 03:22:55,000
And with that I would like to make sure that we have give the opportunity to chief how to me.

2646
03:22:55,000 --> 03:23:02,000
Thank you, Councillors I'm going to come back to questions to the council but I do want to hear from chief how to me and then miss Keith and then we'll come back to councils I'm sure that.

2647
03:23:02,000 --> 03:23:07,000
We also have Mr. Tippman here that can speak and answer questions from all of us I imagine we're going to have quite a.

2648
03:23:07,000 --> 03:23:12,000
Quite an in depth dialogue but we're going to go to chief and then miss Keith and then back to the council.

2649
03:23:13,000 --> 03:23:19,000
I'm that in president councilors thank you for giving us this time to speak a little bit about our changes.

2650
03:23:19,000 --> 03:23:33,000
I also want to thank all of you when I when I learned of this resolution on Friday night I want to thank all of you that responded that we were able to set up some time today to meet I know that I was unable to connect with everybody.

2651
03:23:34,000 --> 03:23:43,000
And they think that because these changes are so important that's part of the reason I as the fire chief have concerns about any.

2652
03:23:43,000 --> 03:23:52,000
Immediate action to a resolution or ordinance that does not involve input from the fire chief in our administration under medical director.

2653
03:23:52,000 --> 03:23:59,000
I want to just address a few things that we're said in the introduction of this.

2654
03:23:59,000 --> 03:24:10,000
Calling it a sweeping change that's inaccurate we have it currently at two fire stations we implemented two years ago with this model.

2655
03:24:10,000 --> 03:24:17,000
Previously 10 year a little over 10 years ago at engine 10 which is off of Rio Grande.

2656
03:24:17,000 --> 03:24:25,000
It's a single engine house single paramedic on the engine there we've operated with the single paramedic on that engine for over a decade.

2657
03:24:25,000 --> 03:24:32,000
We did an extensive department wide survey to get input from firefighters in 2021.

2658
03:24:32,000 --> 03:24:41,000
And as a result of that survey there was quite a bit of information that we used to help pilot program.

2659
03:24:41,000 --> 03:24:51,000
That was that two stations and then we took feedback from that pilot program and implemented an operational change in 2023 at two fire stations.

2660
03:24:51,000 --> 03:24:58,000
Which is off of i25 and gives an area and station three in not hill off of Gerard and University.

2661
03:24:58,000 --> 03:25:07,000
At these stations we have one paramedic on the engine and we have one paramedic on the transport capable units.

2662
03:25:07,000 --> 03:25:18,000
When we made those changes of in discussions with labor the request was to ensure that there was pay associated with that work.

2663
03:25:18,000 --> 03:25:23,000
I agree with we agree with paying our firefighters.

2664
03:25:23,000 --> 03:25:27,000
Good wages for the work that they do they work very hard.

2665
03:25:27,000 --> 03:25:36,000
We have a very busy system and so we entered into an MOU to establish pay that was the only request from labor.

2666
03:25:36,000 --> 03:25:40,000
And we established that pay in an MOU.

2667
03:25:40,000 --> 03:25:44,000
So for two years we've operated at those two fire stations.

2668
03:25:44,000 --> 03:25:51,000
I have not received a complaint from labor related to those changes at those two stations.

2669
03:25:51,000 --> 03:26:01,000
I had several firefighters reach out from those stations and we have lots of meetings with them.

2670
03:26:01,000 --> 03:26:05,000
There's lots of input that went into this and so.

2671
03:26:05,000 --> 03:26:17,000
But what I don't have are any grievances I don't have any complaints related to those two fire stations and the operational system that we have there.

2672
03:26:17,000 --> 03:26:24,000
So that's forward into our negotiations for our last contract.

2673
03:26:24,000 --> 03:26:33,000
And pay was requested for paramedics on any trucks that they work on from the rank of captain and below.

2674
03:26:33,000 --> 03:26:43,000
And my request during that was can I use them we need to use our paramedics and we we.

2675
03:26:43,000 --> 03:26:55,000
Select our areas very carefully and these are things that I would really like to have the opportunity to sit down with each of you to talk about the station selection.

2676
03:26:55,000 --> 03:27:01,000
I did come out with an initial plan to make the changes across all stations.

2677
03:27:02,000 --> 03:27:12,000
And then proceeded to have over 12 hours of meetings with firefighters to get input from firefighters.

2678
03:27:12,000 --> 03:27:21,000
There were still discussions at that time with labor and when I rolled out the plan.

2679
03:27:21,000 --> 03:27:26,000
Our union leadership were some of the first people to learn of that plan.

2680
03:27:27,000 --> 03:27:36,000
Before I rolled it out to the rest of AFR leadership they had two days notice of that and I know that doesn't sound like a lot of time.

2681
03:27:36,000 --> 03:27:44,000
But over those two days I did not get one phone call we need to we need to slow this down we need to talk.

2682
03:27:45,000 --> 03:27:48,000
From the president from union leadership.

2683
03:27:48,000 --> 03:27:55,000
We had all of we had our meetings and I did come up with a compromise and so to say this is a sweeping change.

2684
03:27:55,000 --> 03:28:08,000
We went from what I initially and still stand by had a lot of benefits to a plan that I'm actually more comfortable with now and I think has even more benefits.

2685
03:28:08,000 --> 03:28:20,000
We get too much into the weeds for tonight if I was to get into these details and that's why I would really appreciate the time to meet with each one of you especially those that I haven't had an opportunity to sit down with and talk about.

2686
03:28:20,000 --> 03:28:30,000
But I want to make it very clear this is not a sweeping change this is four more stations we have 22 fire stations and to be 23.

2687
03:28:30,000 --> 03:28:37,000
This is four more fire stations where we will have this model.

2688
03:28:38,000 --> 03:28:47,000
I have our medical director here today to talk to me about the benefits of the model that we that we that we're trying to implement.

2689
03:28:47,000 --> 03:28:55,000
And I want to address just related to the fact that we keep calling this the gold standard.

2690
03:28:55,000 --> 03:29:01,000
I actually believe that our staffing plan provides more than a gold standard.

2691
03:29:01,000 --> 03:29:09,000
I think at these stations where we have one on each truck and I want to talk a little bit about why I believe that.

2692
03:29:09,000 --> 03:29:16,000
Right now I'll use I'll use a station 12 as an example.

2693
03:29:16,000 --> 03:29:19,000
Station 12 has an engine and a rescue.

2694
03:29:19,000 --> 03:29:27,000
We have two paramedics on the rescue and we have four firefighters that are EMT basics on the engine.

2695
03:29:27,000 --> 03:29:42,000
Station 12 is pretty far from the hospitals and the rescue and the engines divide up EMS calls are engines also take medical calls are roughly 85% of our call volume is medical calls.

2696
03:29:42,000 --> 03:29:51,000
When our rescue is tied up on a call in that district it could be a low acuity call or a high acuity call.

2697
03:29:51,000 --> 03:29:59,000
The engine if they're not on a call they are going to be dispatched to that call whether it's low acuity or high acuity.

2698
03:29:59,000 --> 03:30:00,000
Let's say.

2699
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:08,000
We, Charlie calls, came up. So let's say that rescue with the two paramedics is tied up on a Charlie call for a stroke.

2700
03:30:08,000 --> 03:30:13,000
Let's say now a cardiac arrest goes out in that district.

2701
03:30:13,000 --> 03:30:24,000
The engine will respond and our firefighters are EMT basics. They provide excellent care, but they do not have a paramedic on that truck.

2702
03:30:24,000 --> 03:30:38,000
The benefits of this plan are that now that engines are able to get on scene faster and get paramedics on scene faster while another district is responding into a system.

2703
03:30:38,000 --> 03:30:45,000
We, like I said, we've implemented that at the two stations and we've seen a lot of success with it.

2704
03:30:45,000 --> 03:30:58,000
The other part of this that I don't think was made clear in the earlier talking points is that on a critical call both of those trucks will still respond, providing a two paramedic response.

2705
03:30:58,000 --> 03:31:11,000
So at station 12, if both of those trucks are in house and they get a cardiac arrest, a shooting, both of those trucks will still respond and provide that two paramedic response.

2706
03:31:11,000 --> 03:31:19,000
The mentorship piece had come up in talking points and a lot of the mentorship actually happens at the station.

2707
03:31:19,000 --> 03:31:22,000
I've been a paramedic for 20 years.

2708
03:31:22,000 --> 03:31:30,000
I was forced into paramedic school, which is the whole other conversation about the issues that we've had with recruitment and interest in paramedic school.

2709
03:31:30,000 --> 03:31:36,000
About 20 years ago, and we've been talking about the same issue my entire career.

2710
03:31:36,000 --> 03:31:51,000
And when the resolution was passed in 2016, all of these conversations were had in our department and the plans to grow paramedics and all of these things have been tried.

2711
03:31:51,000 --> 03:32:08,000
We're in over by administrations and we are still here having the same conversation with a much busier system with the same staffing challenges with my paramedic workforce struggling to with burnout on the rescue and not having that ability.

2712
03:32:08,000 --> 03:32:09,000
So thank you, Chief.

2713
03:32:09,000 --> 03:32:15,000
I know you're going to end up having a lot more questions, so I'm going to stop you there so that we can keep moving on as well.

2714
03:32:15,000 --> 03:32:18,000
Miss Keith, and then we're going to come to councilors.

2715
03:32:19,000 --> 03:32:23,000
Thank you, council president. I just want to make a few preliminary comments first.

2716
03:32:23,000 --> 03:32:30,000
One is that I will not speak to any issue related to the PPCs that we're filed today when there is an action by the administration against a counselor.

2717
03:32:30,000 --> 03:32:32,000
I will not be involved.

2718
03:32:32,000 --> 03:32:43,000
Number two, I cannot speak to any issue related to the policy question before this council related to who has the better proposal for a staffing arrangement for apparatus.

2719
03:32:43,000 --> 03:32:56,000
And there's number three, I did want to make clear, you know, any member of council can request my opinion on any question and that has happened in the past and I have given that opinion without consultation with with with the administration.

2720
03:32:56,000 --> 03:33:06,000
This resolution came in at five o'clock on Friday the administration asked for my analysis and I gave them my analysis and I raised three issues.

2721
03:33:06,000 --> 03:33:19,000
Number one is is separation of powers and as Dr. single pointed out when you see who watched the video from 2016 when the first version of this resolution was introduced.

2722
03:33:19,000 --> 03:33:35,000
CAO Perry said this is an obvious separation of powers question because staffing is and generally speaking an executive function and our charter and general principles of separation of power assigned executive functions to the administration.

2723
03:33:35,000 --> 03:33:41,000
Now that's not to say there's not this is a question I'm not I'm not saying I can answer this question definitively here today.

2724
03:33:41,000 --> 03:33:54,000
If these proceedings go further you know ultimately somebody may have to decide this question and what they'll balance is the administration's right to determine staffing versus the council's right to legislate on safety.

2725
03:33:54,000 --> 03:34:02,000
But generally speaking again most cases have said that staffing belongs to the executive and that in particular.

2726
03:34:02,000 --> 03:34:10,000
This isn't a question of staffing levels but of the arrangement and placement and dispersion of staffing which generally go to the executive branch.

2727
03:34:10,000 --> 03:34:22,000
So get I can't answer this question specifically that will probably have to be done at some point in time those are the things that they will have to balance but there is authority out there to say that this belongs to the administration.

2728
03:34:23,000 --> 03:34:37,000
The second issue relates to the fact that there is a current ordinance and that ordinance gives the right to determine staffing to the chief administrative officer and this resolution seems to attempt to override or.

2729
03:34:37,000 --> 03:34:49,000
For revenge that ordinance but it's a resolution and it's not an amendment to the merit service ordinance and I'm not sure that's this is really the appropriate way for the if the council wants to now reserve for itself.

2730
03:34:49,000 --> 03:34:58,000
Some questions regarding staffing because it thinks there's relate to safety the better approaches to amend the merit system ordinance to specify that.

2731
03:34:58,000 --> 03:35:05,000
And then finally these are rights that management bargained for and and I.

2732
03:35:05,000 --> 03:35:15,000
I was just wanted to flag that for the council that this is a new new CBA it was signed in July and management specifically bargain for the right to make.

2733
03:35:15,000 --> 03:35:27,000
Assignments and locations and that was bargained for in exchange for pay increases and so this resolution would effectively take away rights that management just bargained for.

2734
03:35:28,000 --> 03:35:36,000
And so I think it's a and I'm not sure there's a specific rule of law that says the council can't step in and take away rights that were bargained for by management or the union.

2735
03:35:36,000 --> 03:35:40,000
I just think the council should think about whether that's what it wants to do.

2736
03:35:40,000 --> 03:35:42,000
Thank you council Lewis.

2737
03:35:42,000 --> 03:35:47,000
I mean all these are differences differences of opinions even even difference of legal opinion.

2738
03:35:47,000 --> 03:35:51,000
Miss keep you gave your opinion your legal opinion.

2739
03:35:51,000 --> 03:36:02,000
I think if I would ask you about section eight council powers the council should have the power to adopt all ordinances resolutions or other legislation conducive to the welfare of the people of the city.

2740
03:36:02,000 --> 03:36:10,000
I think there's a legal opinion regarding that the council does have that ability has on many occasions.

2741
03:36:10,000 --> 03:36:20,000
I'm going to apply that to staffing issues and ordinances that this council votes on so again legal opinion I think if I asked Mr. Marrow or any other.

2742
03:36:20,000 --> 03:36:26,000
Attorney to look at it in that light I think we'd probably have different opinions in that regard.

2743
03:36:26,000 --> 03:36:28,000
I'm still talking.

2744
03:36:28,000 --> 03:36:37,000
So you know I think that's I think that's pretty clear but let me let me ask ask the chief.

2745
03:36:37,000 --> 03:36:49,000
And let me say this too that I've had conversations about this with multiple chiefs over the years conversations with many firefighters over the years about it.

2746
03:36:49,000 --> 03:37:02,000
I think that the first time I really heard and just like I think you know you could say that and the firepires might be able to say it was sprung on them with a few days notice or you know we could say that may Tuesday the memo that you gave us.

2747
03:37:02,000 --> 03:37:06,000
I guess really brought to light you know that this was the direction you were going with this change.

2748
03:37:06,000 --> 03:37:14,000
You know we could characterize that as spring it at honest but I didn't go to the media and I didn't I didn't call a press conference as you did.

2749
03:37:14,000 --> 03:37:18,000
Somehow you know complaining about that you know.

2750
03:37:18,000 --> 03:37:26,000
But but you did give me a call I called you back but at the same time you know you called a press conference before that and and.

2751
03:37:26,000 --> 03:37:32,000
And I also say too that I've heard from a lot of firefighters we've heard from a lot of firefighters tonight medics.

2752
03:37:32,000 --> 03:37:38,000
I haven't heard from any of them that have been of support of some of these changes.

2753
03:37:38,000 --> 03:37:50,000
The ones that I did hear from were some emails that you know you're your deputy chief sent out some emails calling us reckless that this council was reckless for considering this.

2754
03:37:50,000 --> 03:37:58,000
And then you know I got some emails from people that were regurgitating and repeating some of that some of that email and so.

2755
03:37:58,000 --> 03:38:08,000
But I also didn't respond to some of those things I didn't you know respond in ways that it'd be appropriate time and I really wanted to honor our firefighters and honor.

2756
03:38:08,000 --> 03:38:19,000
The people who just see it differently see a different matter opinion and honor them tonight by being able to you know for this council to weigh in honor our union honor our firefighters to be able to say.

2757
03:38:19,000 --> 03:38:27,000
We could we could we could make a decision on this tonight help but this rather than just letting it go in the decision would be made for them.

2758
03:38:27,000 --> 03:38:30,000
Because that's what will happen if we you know if we don't.

2759
03:38:30,000 --> 03:38:34,000
You know in act this this legislation tonight this bill.

2760
03:38:34,000 --> 03:38:39,000
But chief would you would you say that it's ideal is an ideal to have.

2761
03:38:39,000 --> 03:38:42,000
Two medics on a rescue.

2762
03:38:42,000 --> 03:38:45,000
Madam President would would I be able to let.

2763
03:38:45,000 --> 03:38:51,000
Miss Keith miss Keith miss Keith I'm going to come back to miss Keith when you're done answering this and then we're going to move on.

2764
03:38:51,000 --> 03:38:52,000
Thank you.

2765
03:38:52,000 --> 03:38:59,000
Madam President Councillor Lewis I want to start out since the resolution was brought up before that question.

2766
03:38:59,000 --> 03:39:09,000
The resolution from 2016 in section four also states that should the chief make operational changes.

2767
03:39:09,000 --> 03:39:21,000
That the resolution of modification to the resolution would include conferring with the fire chief with the administration and with the council.

2768
03:39:21,000 --> 03:39:27,000
I found out about this resolution at 430 on Friday night.

2769
03:39:27,000 --> 03:39:33,000
Did not have any time to to get ready for that.

2770
03:39:33,000 --> 03:39:41,000
I I did I did have a courtesy phone call to Councillor Lewis and take Councillor Baca.

2771
03:39:41,000 --> 03:39:46,000
My phone my phone call was not returned till the next day and I didn't miss the phone call.

2772
03:39:46,000 --> 03:39:48,000
It was the next day.

2773
03:39:48,000 --> 03:39:50,000
I call about an hour later.

2774
03:39:50,000 --> 03:39:56,000
And please let me finish and please finish and then I want you to answer his question please.

2775
03:39:56,000 --> 03:40:07,000
And the issue that I had with this is that I I was not called before a resolution with staffing to answer the question.

2776
03:40:07,000 --> 03:40:20,000
And I've also actually brought our medical director who is the expert because she's a physician an emergency room physician that dictates all of our operations and our licensure and.

2777
03:40:20,000 --> 03:40:24,000
As as our medical director we all work under her license.

2778
03:40:24,000 --> 03:40:32,000
Any time we have any type of training whether it's paramedics whether it's intermediates.

2779
03:40:32,000 --> 03:40:39,000
I believe she's answering this though is if I'm correct you're answering if you think that it's ideal for two medics to be on the rescue.

2780
03:40:39,000 --> 03:40:51,000
Madam President Councillor Lewis yes this is not just the yes or no question there's context and I would appreciate not being interrupted while I'm finishing.

2781
03:40:51,000 --> 03:41:08,000
Please I don't if we can just answer the question I appreciate I understand there's context but we have to be able to get through this and I know that we can't I mean we can be here back and forth all night but we all need information and I do think that Chief is trying to answer the question.

2782
03:41:08,000 --> 03:41:11,000
Madam President Councillor Lewis.

2783
03:41:11,000 --> 03:41:19,000
Any time we have firefighters with higher levels of training that is providing a better service.

2784
03:41:19,000 --> 03:41:33,000
How we distribute those firefighters is where we get creative where we look at our system and we look at how can we best respond to what we are seeing in Albuquerque.

2785
03:41:33,000 --> 03:41:43,000
This is Albuquerque that will still have two paramedics on a rescue under this plan because that is what that district needs so yes in some areas.

2786
03:41:43,000 --> 03:41:58,000
We have determined that that staffing level is important there's other areas that we have researched are better under this model where there's a paramedic on each apparatus and so it's dependent on the area.

2787
03:41:58,000 --> 03:42:07,000
But I will agree that any time we have people with higher licensure that's better you can't dispute that thank you Chief.

2788
03:42:07,000 --> 03:42:16,000
Madam President I mean Chief you said that it's ideal it is ideal or to have two medics on a rescue.

2789
03:42:16,000 --> 03:42:23,000
Did you not say it's ideal to have two minutes on rescue I mean I think that was one quote that I heard from you in the paper.

2790
03:42:23,000 --> 03:42:33,000
President Councilor Lewis I did not say I don't know what quote you're talking about I did not just say that now.

2791
03:42:33,000 --> 03:42:35,000
Also Lewis.

2792
03:42:35,000 --> 03:42:40,000
Is it ideal to have two to rescue is on a two medics on a rescue.

2793
03:42:40,000 --> 03:42:45,000
Okay I think that Chief answered to the best of her ability it seems.

2794
03:42:45,000 --> 03:42:48,000
Okay Madam President that might not be what we want to hear.

2795
03:42:48,000 --> 03:42:52,000
Chief were you.

2796
03:42:52,000 --> 03:42:57,000
Were you on the negotiating team for the CBA.

2797
03:42:57,000 --> 03:43:05,000
Madam President Councillor Lewis I know I was not on the negotiating team and missing over you on that negotiating team.

2798
03:43:05,000 --> 03:43:09,000
Madam President Councillor Lewis know I was not.

2799
03:43:09,000 --> 03:43:15,000
Do you all know if splitting rescues was ever negotiated into the CBA.

2800
03:43:15,000 --> 03:43:21,000
Madam President Councillor Lewis splitting rescues was not negotiated into the CBA what was negotiated.

2801
03:43:21,000 --> 03:43:28,000
Was language for the fire chief to be able to use available paramedics and intermediates.

2802
03:43:28,000 --> 03:43:37,000
As needed for the for the operations of our department as well as my management right to make staffing determination.

2803
03:43:37,000 --> 03:43:44,000
Okay but I do think because it wasn't for here tonight that that somehow splitting rescues was negotiated in the CBA.

2804
03:43:44,000 --> 03:43:52,000
Just my understanding is it just was not and I think it's misleading to say it.

2805
03:43:52,000 --> 03:43:59,000
By saying you have the right to make operational changes but to somehow say that applies to a pretty major staffing.

2806
03:43:59,000 --> 03:44:07,000
Chains like that that has to do with other things that would need to be negotiated within that CBA as well.

2807
03:44:07,000 --> 03:44:15,000
I guess I just have to correct you I mean I did call you back the hour later and you acknowledge that you acknowledge that you didn't get that message.

2808
03:44:15,000 --> 03:44:26,000
You acknowledge it in email you said I did get your message and hour later but when you called me and you also know that you scheduled press conference before that before you ever reached out to me on that you know so.

2809
03:44:26,000 --> 03:44:31,000
And a lot of misleading things in that press conference and lot of misleading things that were sent out by your staff.

2810
03:44:31,000 --> 03:44:48,000
Regarding the council's involvement in this so but again I I refrained from engaging with that in that in the media because I think I wanted to give you know to really honor the firefighters and already those to have different opinions and I think this is certainly the best form for it.

2811
03:44:48,000 --> 03:44:50,000
Some.

2812
03:44:50,000 --> 03:44:54,000
I do want to mention the complaint.

2813
03:44:54,000 --> 03:44:59,000
Everybody in those negotiating table has the ability to.

2814
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,960
It's offered to make a complaint before the labor management relationship board, relations board, and that's certainly the right of the administration. So to name the union chief, as well as councilor Baca and I, I guess that's your right. Go ahead and do that. I mean, that was done. I mean, that's, again, I guess that's for the labor management board to work out along with negotiations that you all would have in that regard. It definitely was used as a threat against us.

2815
03:45:30,000 --> 03:45:42,000
You know, as the sponsors of the bill, that you know, hey, we're going to name you in this, this, this, this labor complaint. So, but I guess that's how it goes as well. And I guess it, you know, it'll end up on that board and you guys can, you know, work it out in that regard.

2816
03:45:42,000 --> 03:46:04,000
It mentioned our 1641, and there was a lot of conversations regarding, you know, in 2016, but, but also say that that issue is related to staffing to equipment, to structure of the department.

2817
03:46:04,000 --> 03:46:10,000
All those, all those things were revealed in that resolution. All those things were weighed in by this council, part of that ordinance.

2818
03:46:10,000 --> 03:46:21,000
And so again, to somehow say that this is now, and by the way, there might have been insinuations that there was a separation of powers and some of that, but, you know, that was never decided upon.

2819
03:46:21,000 --> 03:46:36,000
I mean, again, those are differing opinions in that regard. And yet, you know, the current staffing, you know, right now is something that was, you know, I mean, approved by this council. And so again, I think those are arguments that are more of just.

2820
03:46:36,000 --> 03:46:51,000
You know, I would rather spend time, you know, talking about the true, you know, changes are the true, you know, different thing of opinions and some, I guess, some facts to back it up rather than some of these things just have to do with, you know, the council's ability to weigh in on this, but.

2821
03:46:52,000 --> 03:46:55,000
For now, Madam President, let's move on to the council's asking questions.

2822
03:46:55,000 --> 03:47:04,000
Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. I want to go to misceive to respond to the earlier and then to be fair. I want President to have a moment to be able to speak a little bit as well.

2823
03:47:04,000 --> 03:47:20,000
Thank you, Councillor President. I have said, I do do think there is an argument here that this is within council's right to regulate safety, and that this will be an issue to be decided. But the councilor's quotation of section eight was incomplete and I think somewhat misleading.

2824
03:47:21,000 --> 03:47:39,000
In that section eight says the council shall have the power to adopt all ordinances, resolutions or other legislation can do so to the welfare of the people of the city and not inconsistent with this charter and the council shall not perform any executive functions, except those functions assigned to the council by this charter.

2825
03:47:39,000 --> 03:47:41,000
Thank you, Miss Keith.

2826
03:47:41,000 --> 03:47:52,000
President Timon, if you want to take a few hundred minutes, just teasing these, I know this is very serious, but please have your moment to be able to have an equal share of time.

2827
03:47:52,000 --> 03:47:55,000
Sure, I think a lot of a lot of things have been said.

2828
03:47:55,000 --> 03:48:01,000
And I think we all want the same thing, which is to provide the best service to the capacity to your constituents and the services.

2829
03:48:02,000 --> 03:48:10,000
The spirit of negotiations, because that's been brought up by Dr. Shingol and the director of Farchef.

2830
03:48:10,000 --> 03:48:13,000
We have always agreed with ALS expansion.

2831
03:48:13,000 --> 03:48:23,000
ALS expansion under the auspice that we can continue to maintain two paramedics on rest use and be able to expand with a paramedic fire fodder on the engine.

2832
03:48:23,000 --> 03:48:27,000
In our contract, we cannot even do that until July 1st of this year.

2833
03:48:27,000 --> 03:48:32,000
We can use paramedic firefighters and we can use paramedic captains, but we can't do it until July.

2834
03:48:32,000 --> 03:48:41,000
So it's a great determine and split all 20 rescue to me is bargaining in bad faith, because we never agreed like the council said to split in the rescue and contract.

2835
03:48:41,000 --> 03:48:42,000
Just language.

2836
03:48:42,000 --> 03:48:45,000
Thank you, Mr. Timon.

2837
03:48:45,000 --> 03:48:50,000
Going to, I'm going to, let's see, Rogers was next, but she's not here. I'm going to go to council.

2838
03:48:51,000 --> 03:48:55,000
Thank you, Madam President.

2839
03:48:55,000 --> 03:48:58,000
This is for chief army ho.

2840
03:48:58,000 --> 03:49:00,000
Harham, you hope.

2841
03:49:00,000 --> 03:49:07,000
Have you worked with the union on any of these issues that were brought up today regarding paramedics and staffing?

2842
03:49:07,000 --> 03:49:09,000
Madam President, Councilor Grout.

2843
03:49:09,000 --> 03:49:12,000
Yes, yes, we have.

2844
03:49:12,000 --> 03:49:18,000
We actually do have a paper and the contract that goes all the way up to paramedics.

2845
03:49:18,000 --> 03:49:32,000
It says rescue paramedics captains in the in the current language and then any position that we designate as a paramedic position does come with the pay with pay.

2846
03:49:32,000 --> 03:49:45,000
So I want to clarify that any paramedic that is working in the capacity of a paramedic is getting paid in those positions.

2847
03:49:45,000 --> 03:49:57,000
We, you know, I, I also along with that, just want to say appreciate the engagement from our firefighters tonight that we have so many people that are here.

2848
03:49:57,000 --> 03:50:02,000
I know it was mentioned there is nobody here speaking.

2849
03:50:02,000 --> 03:50:13,000
The other side and one of the things about when and I was in the union before I promoted as well when the union organizes there is a common message that is shared.

2850
03:50:13,000 --> 03:50:22,000
Every heart if somebody doesn't have sure that common message you have to go to a union needing to express that that the sending opinion.

2851
03:50:22,000 --> 03:50:31,000
This wouldn't be the appropriate place with our union standing behind me organized for anyone to come up and express the dissenting opinion.

2852
03:50:31,000 --> 03:50:42,000
So I do hope that if any of our firefighters did reach out to you it sounds like some of them may have reached out that you do listen to anything that might come through via email.

2853
03:50:43,000 --> 03:50:53,000
We, it came up that I'm refusing to give labor as seat at the table or or or talk with labor.

2854
03:50:53,000 --> 03:50:58,000
I believe that's a misrepresentation and disingenuous.

2855
03:50:58,000 --> 03:51:06,000
We have had lots of conversations both at labor management on the record off the record.

2856
03:51:06,000 --> 03:51:12,000
When the ask is for me to give away a management right to staffing.

2857
03:51:12,000 --> 03:51:22,000
It's hard for me to agree with that and so there's a sticking point and maybe a point of interpretation is that me refusing to talk.

2858
03:51:22,000 --> 03:51:29,000
The flavor or is that me refusing to give away a right to staff the department.

2859
03:51:29,000 --> 03:51:35,000
But as far as input and I've been part of the administration for a while.

2860
03:51:35,000 --> 03:51:42,000
I've always taken feedback and worked with our union and with our firefighters.

2861
03:51:42,000 --> 03:51:44,000
I was a group.

2862
03:51:44,000 --> 03:51:47,000
Thank you madam president I have a couple more questions.

2863
03:51:47,000 --> 03:51:59,000
And I think you have agreed with that.

2864
03:51:59,000 --> 03:52:03,000
Why would you want to move away from that?

2865
03:52:03,000 --> 03:52:16,000
I would like to actually have our medical director talks a little bit as our expert about the benefits of what we're trying to do because they think I've already articulated some of the reasons that I was like to.

2866
03:52:16,000 --> 03:52:26,000
To do this so I would like to call our medical director doctor Kimberly Pruitt up to speak to a little bit more of the benefits of what we're trying to do.

2867
03:52:26,000 --> 03:52:32,000
Dr. Pruitt can you go ahead and help answer assist with answering counts across question.

2868
03:52:32,000 --> 03:52:36,000
Yes ma'am madam president council.

2869
03:52:36,000 --> 03:52:39,000
Thank you for this opportunity.

2870
03:52:39,000 --> 03:52:50,000
I just want to start by saying that I'm so proud of the work that everyone in the department does we focus a lot on parlorics but I don't want to diminish the work that our intermediates and our basics do as well.

2871
03:52:50,000 --> 03:52:57,000
Everyone works is a really good team and I think they do a good job changes hard and it can be a little scary.

2872
03:52:57,000 --> 03:53:09,000
And everyone here wants to do the basic hand for patients including administration I've watched these conversations unfold for since even before October and.

2873
03:53:09,000 --> 03:53:14,000
First and foremost and everyone's mind has been what's best for the community what's best for patients.

2874
03:53:14,000 --> 03:53:22,000
We're going to do this safely but also staff are trucks with ever increasing call volume and ever increasing.

2875
03:53:22,000 --> 03:53:29,000
Accuity and transport so we're doing to knowing that those rescues before when you have the luxury of having.

2876
03:53:29,000 --> 03:53:40,000
Two paramedics there they're going to be leaving that district taking a patient to the hospital leaving that district without that coverage for a while with both of them on the same apparatus.

2877
03:53:40,000 --> 03:53:42,000
And so.

2878
03:53:42,000 --> 03:53:46,000
To your question is it safe can it be done.

2879
03:53:46,000 --> 03:53:52,000
The way paramedics are trained is with the expectation that they will operate independently.

2880
03:53:52,000 --> 03:54:00,000
If this is a luxury I don't know of any documentation that it's necessarily the gold standard I don't think that's been defined anywhere in any literature.

2881
03:54:00,000 --> 03:54:09,000
Is it nice to have yes is it the way it's been yes but the way that these folks are trained and I train them I teach them every Thursday.

2882
03:54:10,000 --> 03:54:23,000
The expectation when they take their tests for their license the expectation when I sit across from the table with them and give them scenarios to make sure they're safe to operate in the community and give them a patch.

2883
03:54:23,000 --> 03:54:37,000
That that is a loan that's that's leading a team the role of a paramedic is leading a team directing a team directing patient care coaching mentoring and it's nice to have a partner there when you're when you're faced with a life or death situation.

2884
03:54:37,000 --> 03:54:40,000
It's nice to have a peer there that has the same level of training.

2885
03:54:40,000 --> 03:54:47,000
But the expectation is they can handle that themselves now with this model with.

2886
03:54:47,000 --> 03:55:00,000
Any high acute call like like the chief had said any high acute call going shot stabbing cardiac arrest any severe shortness of breath unconscious all of those calls still have.

2887
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:03,000
Two paramedics arriving on that scene.

2888
03:55:03,000 --> 03:55:08,000
No no care is diminished the they're literally just arriving on a different.

2889
03:55:08,000 --> 03:55:12,000
And in addition to that and in our city.

2890
03:55:12,000 --> 03:55:19,000
With Albuquerque ambulance on seeing sometimes we have a third paramedic and many of the acute calls we get you have a supervisor too.

2891
03:55:19,000 --> 03:55:28,000
So you're looking at four or five paramedics sometimes paramedics that's not even counting the extra hands on scene so.

2892
03:55:29,000 --> 03:55:41,000
It's not it's not going to diminish care there still will be two paramedics on critical calls and honestly what this will do by by spreading out that higher level of care.

2893
03:55:41,000 --> 03:55:51,000
Not they're to the lower if you would he calls actually like let's say somebody has a broken ankle or even a fender vendor.

2894
03:55:51,000 --> 03:56:05,000
What take the broken ankle right now the apparatus that responds is an engine and sometimes they don't carry narcotics so they don't have that higher level of care because they don't have a paramedic and with this expansion.

2895
03:56:05,000 --> 03:56:13,000
Having an engine that brings a paramedic to that scene to the lower acute calls we can actually provide.

2896
03:56:13,000 --> 03:56:16,000
That extra extra level of patient care.

2897
03:56:16,000 --> 03:56:17,000
Thank you doctor.

2898
03:56:17,000 --> 03:56:20,000
Thank you just a couple more.

2899
03:56:20,000 --> 03:56:22,000
What will the effects of.

2900
03:56:22,000 --> 03:56:28,000
At the fire department if this resolution passes what will the effects be.

2901
03:56:29,000 --> 03:56:43,000
Madam president counselor grow there's several effects some of them that we currently already seeing that we're trying to fix and some other effects that I have concerns about especially as I kind of dug into.

2902
03:56:43,000 --> 03:56:50,000
Some of the opinion that is come out since this resolution was in was published on Friday.

2903
03:56:51,000 --> 03:57:01,000
So there is a lot of consequences related to just changing that one word paramedics it really hamstrings our organization in a lot of ways just this weekend.

2904
03:57:01,000 --> 03:57:18,000
We had challenges to try to staff a rescue there was not enough time a paramedics signed up for over time and and so we had a vacant paramedic slot on one of our rescues this is pretty common occurrence.

2905
03:57:18,000 --> 03:57:29,000
And so what we do is we move our basic over to to work as the partner on that rescue so that we maintain that minimum of to staffing my concern.

2906
03:57:29,000 --> 03:57:42,000
If this resolution passes and I'm bound by having to paramedics on every rescue that when I don't have enough paramedics signed up for over time that our force hiring will increase.

2907
03:57:42,000 --> 03:57:53,000
Meaning that paramedics are going to carry the bulk of this burden where I have a little bit more flexibility because a lot more firefighters and our department right now are.

2908
03:57:53,000 --> 03:57:58,000
Basics and so I can move somebody over to keep that unit on service.

2909
03:57:58,000 --> 03:58:09,000
And a lot of this is all going to circle back to my concern about burnout with with our paramedics side of of the department.

2910
03:58:09,000 --> 03:58:23,000
Going through all of the releases I saw quote from our previous fire chief Paul Dow that was used in the unions press release in 2019 he actually dropped our in house paramedic program where we were able to train.

2911
03:58:23,000 --> 03:58:32,000
Paramedics at the AFR Academy we were able to control the numbers of paramedics that we were we had a lot more control.

2912
03:58:32,000 --> 03:58:44,000
I it was it was against my recommendation I tried to keep that program in house I knew the value of that my team I was the EMS deputy chief at the time knew the value of keeping that program.

2913
03:58:44,000 --> 03:58:58,000
It's been a challenge to train and I appreciate the AFF is also sitting on the Joe it's I don't want to get too much into it but it's a it's a way for us to to work together to get more paramedics but I'm worried about.

2914
03:58:59,000 --> 03:59:16,000
An effect of recruitment internally if my only pass in this department is to stay on that rescue we have without having the numbers we can't grow the numbers on the engine and so now all of these paramedics are.

2915
03:59:16,000 --> 03:59:31,000
I think that's the best you and they're only pathway off his promotion and for some that creates a loss of job satisfaction and burn out and lastly my one of my main concerns from reading through the literature.

2916
03:59:31,000 --> 03:59:52,000
I've seen I've seen through press releases released by labor it really seems to paint our rescues that they only serve a medical role we are fire base EMS our firefighters on the rest use also have.

2917
03:59:52,000 --> 04:00:00,000
fire ground responsibilities and I'm very concerned about the language that I'm seeing that makes it look like there's an intro.

2918
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:07,840
Justice in us being a single-roll transport entity, which means the MS staff are not also working

2919
04:00:07,840 --> 04:00:13,120
as firefighters. I keep seeing the keybress use available for medical calls. Every fire

2920
04:00:13,120 --> 04:00:19,200
trust takes medical calls. Our ladders are squads. They all take medical calls. And all of

2921
04:00:19,200 --> 04:00:24,400
this just goes back to, I would just like to be a part of the conversation, our staffing, our

2922
04:00:24,400 --> 04:00:31,840
operations is so complex. If this goes through, it's going to really hamstring us, and I'm really

2923
04:00:31,840 --> 04:00:37,680
worried about paramedic burnout, and just all the other implications of having a resolution go

2924
04:00:37,680 --> 04:00:46,080
through that I was not a part of the conversation. Thank you, Chief Kelsergraders. Thank you, Madam President.

2925
04:00:46,640 --> 04:00:52,400
Chief, just like you wanted to put on this resolution, your team wanted to put on this change. I spent

2926
04:00:52,400 --> 04:00:59,200
the afternoon at firefighter fire stations. I went to a station that's currently running this way,

2927
04:00:59,200 --> 04:01:06,960
and stations that were not. I'm open the door. Others did not. I want to start by saying,

2928
04:01:07,760 --> 04:01:13,280
having a little bit of knowledge as an EMT basic in this role, my grandfather being the state fire

2929
04:01:13,280 --> 04:01:18,240
marshal, having a lot of fire family, this topic is near and dear to my heart specifically.

2930
04:01:19,440 --> 04:01:26,400
You, and just to jog your memory, Albuquerque Journal article on March 1st, you're quoted as saying,

2931
04:01:26,400 --> 04:01:34,000
quote, Hottamiel said, while it's ideal, it's not necessary to have two paramedics on the rescue unit.

2932
04:01:34,000 --> 04:01:39,200
So do you recall that now? Madam President, Councilor Rajas, that sounds more like what

2933
04:01:39,200 --> 04:01:45,600
something I would have said. Okay, so can you tell me why we're making this change? Because we've

2934
04:01:45,600 --> 04:01:52,000
had conversations on this diet about atypical staffing and response times. And you've over and over and

2935
04:01:52,000 --> 04:01:58,880
over and over said that we are, I won't use the words called standard, but we are absolutely meeting

2936
04:01:58,880 --> 04:02:07,360
those metrics and exceeding those metrics. So I'm just curious why, if it's ideal, why the change now?

2937
04:02:08,000 --> 04:02:14,160
Madam President, Councilor Rajas, the discussion about atypical apparatus in here was related to

2938
04:02:14,160 --> 04:02:21,840
our engines, three Matt, three personnel on the engine. The discussion in here was never surrounding our

2939
04:02:21,840 --> 04:02:27,120
paramedics staffing on the rescue. And so I just want to make sure, like, just a kind of clear up,

2940
04:02:27,120 --> 04:02:32,640
that the discussions that we had here, when I was reporting that information with our monthly reports,

2941
04:02:32,640 --> 04:02:37,680
that should hopefully be coming back soon, it was related to the atypical engine. Okay.

2942
04:02:37,680 --> 04:02:45,280
To your other question on the benefit, especially, especially in our busier districts that may have higher

2943
04:02:45,280 --> 04:02:52,480
transports, I'm really trying to do a couple of things here. I'm trying to take what we have,

2944
04:02:52,480 --> 04:03:01,280
which is a very precious resource, and divided up so that we can expand that response. And what I've

2945
04:03:01,280 --> 04:03:08,640
seen, since we started this two years ago, is that some of our firefighters that are participating

2946
04:03:08,640 --> 04:03:13,520
have had that increase in job satisfaction, but some of our firefighters, they don't have to think

2947
04:03:13,520 --> 04:03:18,400
that if they go to paramedics school early in their career that they're going to be stuck on the rescue.

2948
04:03:18,400 --> 04:03:24,400
They're seeing that light at the end of the tunnel that there's a way to rotate off. So we're kind of

2949
04:03:24,400 --> 04:03:31,120
solving for a couple of issues at the same time, rather than just staying in this revolving

2950
04:03:32,800 --> 04:03:38,320
issue that we've had for the past 20 years. And so I see those as being two of the main benefits,

2951
04:03:38,320 --> 04:03:43,440
and I think if we work on them in tandem, then we do build up that paramedics staffing and we are

2952
04:03:43,440 --> 04:03:50,320
able to build up more intermediate, and then we grow it from there. But if we continue to hamstring

2953
04:03:50,400 --> 04:03:56,240
rescues, I'm sorry, paramedics into the rescue division, I think that in five, 10 years,

2954
04:03:56,960 --> 04:04:02,560
it's very likely that we'll still be having this conversation, because paramedics are very hard to

2955
04:04:03,120 --> 04:04:09,120
recruit, and they're very, very hard to train, especially when people don't want to go to paramedics school.

2956
04:04:09,840 --> 04:04:16,400
I think I just want to separate the two issues. The paramedic pay structure has nothing to do with

2957
04:04:16,400 --> 04:04:21,440
your staffing of how you utilize those resources. I think for the first time, because we've changed

2958
04:04:21,440 --> 04:04:28,160
that pay structure, which doesn't start until July 1st, by the way. Now you have, is it true that you

2959
04:04:28,160 --> 04:04:34,000
had to turn away people from being in medics school now, because you had so many people say I want to be

2960
04:04:34,000 --> 04:04:39,600
a medic, because the pay structure was fixed, seeing a lot of nodding for my government. Madam President,

2961
04:04:39,600 --> 04:04:47,520
so Madam President, Councilor Rogers, I'm sorry to cut you off. So we were forcing paramedics into,

2962
04:04:47,520 --> 04:04:51,920
sorry, firefighters into paramedic school all the way up till about two years ago.

2963
04:04:52,720 --> 04:05:00,560
And I've been in the EMS division since my whole career, but in that leadership position, I was there

2964
04:05:01,200 --> 04:05:05,200
having to force these probationary firefighters to go all the way up till two years ago.

2965
04:05:05,920 --> 04:05:11,600
That is when we implemented the pilot. And that year, I can get those numbers because we have them

2966
04:05:11,600 --> 04:05:16,880
on record with our training division. But in 2023, when we implemented the staffing changes,

2967
04:05:17,680 --> 04:05:25,360
at those two stations, one of our highest years of interest in paramedic school. This contract was passed

2968
04:05:25,360 --> 04:05:35,120
in July, and we just opened up for a one program for the Santa Fe program. I think last week. So

2969
04:05:35,120 --> 04:05:41,200
I don't know what the effects of this new contract will be. I can only talk about the effects that we saw

2970
04:05:41,200 --> 04:05:47,120
after we made those two changes in 2023. Thank you, Madam President. So you're saying that this last

2971
04:05:47,120 --> 04:05:52,400
class, you did not have to turn away people from paramedic school, because I heard that loud and clear

2972
04:05:52,480 --> 04:05:57,440
from folks who wanted to go and who could not go. And that in person, the Council of Rogers, that's

2973
04:05:57,440 --> 04:06:02,480
correct. And that was after the operational changes, not after the contract. Okay.

2974
04:06:04,320 --> 04:06:09,200
A couple more questions, Madam President. So you talked a lot about your managerial rates.

2975
04:06:10,560 --> 04:06:16,240
Did, and I think because you weren't in the bargaining in our CAO within the bargaining, I want to ask

2976
04:06:16,240 --> 04:06:22,000
President Tipman this question, if I could. You were a part of the negotiations?

2977
04:06:24,000 --> 04:06:29,920
Councillor Rogers, I was not. You were not. Okay. So that's harder for me to ask the question of who

2978
04:06:29,920 --> 04:06:34,720
was the negotiations. But to your knowledge, who was, who was the negotiations that can answer a

2979
04:06:34,720 --> 04:06:40,160
question about that? Come on up, please. Thank you. This is a key question for me.

2980
04:06:40,160 --> 04:06:50,160
Councillor Rogers, there's, it, here, potentially one, I'm going to assume, from both sides of

2981
04:06:50,160 --> 04:06:54,560
this. So I think that it would be there to hear an answer from both. Sure. So both of you were involved.

2982
04:06:54,560 --> 04:07:00,480
Thank you, Madam President, in negotiations for this issue, for this last contract negotiation,

2983
04:07:01,360 --> 04:07:06,640
Madam President and Councillor Rogers. Thank you. During those negotiations, did,

2984
04:07:08,160 --> 04:07:14,880
did you make it clear that you were going to make this big of an operational change when we were negotiating

2985
04:07:14,880 --> 04:07:22,400
for your managerial rates? Madam President and Councillor Rogers, that was not discussed as far as

2986
04:07:22,400 --> 04:07:28,560
a change like that. Okay. Okay. Okay. No, that's perfect. That's perfect. Mr. Brigadierotti,

2987
04:07:28,640 --> 04:07:37,120
did you have knowledge during negotiations that this change was coming and that you had just given

2988
04:07:37,120 --> 04:07:44,000
away your rates to negotiate on this particular issue? Madam President, Councillor Rogers, no,

2989
04:07:44,800 --> 04:07:49,520
had we been aware of that? I don't think we would. In, in all due fairness, if you're not going to let

2990
04:07:49,520 --> 04:07:53,840
him add on to his last part of the comment, I don't think it's fair to continue adding on on both sides.

2991
04:07:53,840 --> 04:07:59,600
So, you want to just simply yes or no, I think it would be fair to keep it fair on both sides. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you.

2992
04:08:01,600 --> 04:08:08,560
Can I? Councillor Rogers. Thank you. Chief, how many empty basics do we have in the department right now?

2993
04:08:10,400 --> 04:08:16,800
Madam President, Councillor Rogers, I do not have that number in front of me. I have that number in my computer,

2994
04:08:16,800 --> 04:08:21,920
but I don't like, I can have my identity chiefs of operations like that number. Perfect. Let's look up

2995
04:08:21,920 --> 04:08:26,800
EMT basics, intermediates, and medics because I'm just interested in what it looks like as far as

2996
04:08:26,800 --> 04:08:31,280
our, because the point I'm trying to make, and then we'll just get straight to the point. We are talking

2997
04:08:31,280 --> 04:08:37,200
about a shortage of medics. And I just need to see the numbers to look to see if that's, we actually

2998
04:08:37,200 --> 04:08:45,920
have a shortage. They think we're making changes to meet a shortage that we may not necessarily always

2999
04:08:45,920 --> 04:08:55,040
have. The last question that I have, so you just had a most recent bid. If this changes,

3000
04:08:55,040 --> 04:09:08,640
what happens to that bid? Madam President, Councillor Rogers, I haven't had time to look into that

3001
04:09:08,640 --> 04:09:15,600
because I haven't witnessed the resolution being dropped so quickly, so I don't have an answer,

3002
04:09:15,600 --> 04:09:19,600
but that's something that we will obviously be exploring. Do you think you'd have Madam President, do you think

3003
04:09:19,600 --> 04:09:25,520
you'd have to go back to a bidding process based on your structures for medics being split? I would

3004
04:09:25,520 --> 04:09:32,800
imagine that's why you'd set up the bid. Madam President, Councillor Rogers, in our bid process memo,

3005
04:09:32,880 --> 04:09:39,120
I have complete authority over any staffing decision, so I don't know if we would have to go back to

3006
04:09:39,120 --> 04:09:45,760
the bid. I'll need some time to answer that question. Thank you, Madam President. Before we move on,

3007
04:09:45,760 --> 04:09:48,640
do you see, Molyette, did you have those or are we going to circle back in a little bit?

3008
04:09:48,640 --> 04:09:58,480
Yes, Councillor President, and Councillor members. As of today, we have 341 EMT basics in the

3009
04:09:58,480 --> 04:10:07,600
department. We have 31 intermediates, and we have 161 paramedics who are assigned to the field,

3010
04:10:07,600 --> 04:10:14,400
which includes our captains. Thank you, Madam President, so that's a shortage.

3011
04:10:14,400 --> 04:10:23,120
So, that's not a problem. And Councillor Rogers, when you look at, when you have to count our

3012
04:10:23,120 --> 04:10:29,840
vacations, sickly, PLF, definitely, different times our firefighters are off. Typically, we need to also

3013
04:10:29,840 --> 04:10:36,000
backfill those. So, when you look at having a number of 141 that we need, the projections that we have,

3014
04:10:36,000 --> 04:10:44,240
that we need to maintain our staffing is 187 on a daily basis. And also just to note, I included that's

3015
04:10:44,240 --> 04:10:49,200
all of our captains. We're not currently utilizing all of our paramedic captains because we've

3016
04:10:49,200 --> 04:10:54,080
used them in our specialty divisions. Oh, that. Thank you, Madam President. That brings up another

3017
04:10:54,080 --> 04:11:02,560
question. Councillor Rogers. Okay, so in this new, in this new setup and what captains have to go back to

3018
04:11:02,560 --> 04:11:06,160
the rescue?

3019
04:11:06,160 --> 04:11:16,240
Chair of Council President, Councillor Rogers. In the new setup, it would, there may be some challenges

3020
04:11:16,240 --> 04:11:23,120
with how that staffing would unfold, and how we would have to account for backfill that are very

3021
04:11:23,120 --> 04:11:31,040
concerning to me, which is, again, why we would just like to have time to discuss before something

3022
04:11:31,120 --> 04:11:39,200
one word change, because we might have to look at all paramedics from the rank of captain and

3023
04:11:39,200 --> 04:11:46,320
below to account for the needs we have. We also, over 40 paramedics eligible to retire by the end of

3024
04:11:46,320 --> 04:11:52,320
the year, will they, they will not. Like, we will not have 40 paramedics retire, but it is another

3025
04:11:52,320 --> 04:11:57,920
staffing concern that I have. Thank you, Councillor. Thank you, Madam President, so that brings me to

3026
04:11:57,920 --> 04:12:03,280
another question. So many layers here. And I think, because I understand the layers, like,

3027
04:12:03,280 --> 04:12:07,360
I know we're getting more and the weeds than I think you wanted to, but this is important for my vote to

3028
04:12:07,360 --> 04:12:16,800
decide. Given that, what's the process for folks to test off the rescue? So they've gone through,

3029
04:12:16,800 --> 04:12:21,840
and they don't want to be on the rescue anymore, and to be fair, I did go to a station that's currently

3030
04:12:21,840 --> 04:12:28,000
running this way, and they did like it. The people that are doing this pilot, I heard from them,

3031
04:12:28,000 --> 04:12:35,520
the things that they just to be balanced here, and the voice of reason, hopefully. They liked the ability

3032
04:12:35,520 --> 04:12:43,920
to be cross-trained, and that they could get experience on all three different trucks that they had

3033
04:12:43,920 --> 04:12:51,600
opportunity to work on. And for me, that is, that was the biggest thing that I heard from them,

3034
04:12:52,000 --> 04:12:58,400
but what I heard loud and clear was they also wanted more of a say in speaking to their fellow

3035
04:12:58,400 --> 04:13:05,520
firefighters about what this felt like, what it was like for them, and they didn't feel like they had that opportunity.

3036
04:13:05,520 --> 04:13:10,000
So I just want to ask of the folks in the audience how many of you were able to attend one of

3037
04:13:10,000 --> 04:13:15,520
Chief's meetings about and give your input, special hands. Okay, thank you.

3038
04:13:17,600 --> 04:13:24,240
All right, Councillor Champagne. Thank you, Madam President. Miss Keith, just in your opinion,

3039
04:13:24,240 --> 04:13:32,080
real quick, I know that I wasn't here in 2016, and this was presented. This is being presented as an

3040
04:13:32,080 --> 04:13:39,360
amendment tonight, and it's being mentioned that it's an over step of boundaries from this council.

3041
04:13:39,920 --> 04:13:45,200
How was this different, how was this an over step of boundaries now when 2016 was it?

3042
04:13:46,240 --> 04:13:52,400
Now, if Councillor President, Councillor Champagne, if you watched the video from 2016,

3043
04:13:52,400 --> 04:13:58,480
CAO Perry clearly states that he believes that it was an over step, but that he is not going to make an

3044
04:13:58,480 --> 04:14:06,160
objection because he and the fire chief negotiated with the union over the terms of R-1641 and agreed to

3045
04:14:06,160 --> 04:14:15,040
them in advance. And so they, and functionally, what R-1641 was doing was memorializing the staffing levels that

3046
04:14:15,040 --> 04:14:23,600
were in place. And in fact, R-1641 was amended to take out the word paramedic because the union and the

3047
04:14:23,600 --> 04:14:28,400
administration were still negotiating over paramedics at the time and they recognized that it

3048
04:14:28,400 --> 04:14:35,040
would not be proper to have a resolution that spoke to a topic that was under negotiation at the time.

3049
04:14:35,040 --> 04:14:40,720
So, that's the context if you watched the video that they had, they had negotiated agreement in advance

3050
04:14:40,720 --> 04:14:45,680
of the council meeting and then agreed to vote for the resolution. Councillor Champagne?

3051
04:14:45,680 --> 04:14:58,480
Thank you, Madam President. Chief, you had mentioned something that a paramedic added to a rescue,

3052
04:14:59,040 --> 04:15:00,320
I'm sorry, a paramedic.

3053
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:09,000
And then I added to you, it said, paramedic, on an engine, that engine would be able to respond quicker. How is that so?

3054
04:15:09,000 --> 04:15:18,000
Councillor Bassan, I'm sorry, Madam President, Councillor Shaman. The engine cannot respond any quicker with a paramedic on it.

3055
04:15:18,000 --> 04:15:29,000
So I appreciate that question, so I can clarify. What that means is that if that district, if the rescue is out on a transport, if they're out on another call,

3056
04:15:29,000 --> 04:15:39,000
that leaves that district with just that engine to respond. And having a paramedic on that engine means that you can get a paramedic to that scene quicker,

3057
04:15:39,000 --> 04:15:50,000
because the way that we use our dispatch is we might be sending out of district rescues with paramedics to that district to run the call, but we'll send that in district.

3058
04:15:50,000 --> 04:16:02,000
Engine, if it's a critical call to start stabilizing that patient until the rescue can get there. So we can get a paramedic there quicker, but it doesn't make the engine magically get there any faster.

3059
04:16:02,000 --> 04:16:08,000
Okay, Madam President, how often do you cross dispatch out of district?

3060
04:16:09,000 --> 04:16:17,000
Madam President, Councillor Shaman, it's fairly frequent in certain areas of Albuquerque, especially our Southeast area.

3061
04:16:17,000 --> 04:16:33,000
There's pretty frequent cross dispatching or response into other districts that's something that's actually a data set that we could pull and provide with our CAD system to show how often that is happening.

3062
04:16:34,000 --> 04:16:49,000
But it's fairly regular in parts of the city, and then other parts of the city are have different challenges, so some of our west side stations have a little bit of a different challenge, because they're a little bit more like our Southeast stations are really close together.

3063
04:16:49,000 --> 04:16:59,000
Our west side stations are a little further apart, and so it, when we do cross dispatching to that district, it might take a while to get that provider into that district.

3064
04:16:59,000 --> 04:17:04,000
And so, another benefit of having that advanced person on the engine.

3065
04:17:04,000 --> 04:17:14,000
Madam President, so Chief ideally, if you separate and you put two paramedic on the engine and paramedic on the rescue,

3066
04:17:14,000 --> 04:17:28,000
is my understanding that the, now the paramedic can tend if they have to transport, they can attend to the person, and the lower basic person, I don't know what the term is, basic can drive.

3067
04:17:29,000 --> 04:17:34,000
Madam correct, is that ideally what you're trying to accomplish in some extent.

3068
04:17:34,000 --> 04:17:47,000
Madam President, Councillor Champagne, that is correct in generally if there's two people on the rescue and they're transporting and they're not asking for a writer from the other truck.

3069
04:17:47,000 --> 04:17:57,000
The driver would drive and then the officer or the paramedic would be in the back, so in the instance that it's an EMT basic working with a paramedic.

3070
04:17:57,000 --> 04:17:59,000
The EMT basic is driving.

3071
04:17:59,000 --> 04:18:01,000
The other paramedic is in the back.

3072
04:18:01,000 --> 04:18:06,000
Now, if that rescue is transporting in a dual medic and there's nobody else jumping into assist.

3073
04:18:06,000 --> 04:18:13,000
We have a paramedic driving and then we have a paramedic in the back, tending to the patient.

3074
04:18:13,000 --> 04:18:17,000
Madam President, we just recall it months ago.

3075
04:18:17,000 --> 04:18:22,000
We started charging back when we transport the medicare, is that correct?

3076
04:18:22,000 --> 04:18:26,000
How much do we charge each time AFR has to transport?

3077
04:18:26,000 --> 04:18:29,000
Madam President, Councillor Champagne, we respond.

3078
04:18:29,000 --> 04:18:33,000
Sorry, we bill off of the state tariff.

3079
04:18:33,000 --> 04:18:38,000
Medicated reimbursement right now for a transport.

3080
04:18:38,000 --> 04:18:44,000
I believe it's about what we recoup is about.

3081
04:18:44,000 --> 04:18:46,000
I would have to get that number.

3082
04:18:46,000 --> 04:18:47,000
I also have that.

3083
04:18:47,000 --> 04:18:49,000
I had it for the medicade questions.

3084
04:18:49,000 --> 04:18:52,000
But we do bill for transport and then.

3085
04:18:52,000 --> 04:18:53,000
Okay.

3086
04:18:53,000 --> 04:18:56,000
Madam President, how much do we annually since we started billing?

3087
04:18:56,000 --> 04:19:01,000
Since we started reimbursing us or getting the money back, how much have we got back?

3088
04:19:01,000 --> 04:19:05,000
Madam President, Councillor Champagne, I have those numbers.

3089
04:19:05,000 --> 04:19:09,000
They don't have them in front of me and they fluctuate based on the demands of the system.

3090
04:19:09,000 --> 04:19:11,000
So they were really high.

3091
04:19:11,000 --> 04:19:16,000
Then we went through a year where they dropped and then this is really busy.

3092
04:19:16,000 --> 04:19:17,000
So we're high again.

3093
04:19:17,000 --> 04:19:21,000
But I can provide you with that.

3094
04:19:21,000 --> 04:19:23,000
You know that it fluctuates.

3095
04:19:23,000 --> 04:19:28,000
So would give me a guest in it then, please.

3096
04:19:28,000 --> 04:19:31,000
Okay.

3097
04:19:32,000 --> 04:19:35,000
Madam President, Councillor Champagne.

3098
04:19:35,000 --> 04:19:43,000
So looking at this break down here in FY22.

3099
04:19:43,000 --> 04:19:52,000
We had 2,731 transports and we received 648,000.

3100
04:19:52,000 --> 04:19:57,000
And then I'll just bring us to FY24.

3101
04:19:58,000 --> 04:20:01,000
We had 2,139 transports.

3102
04:20:01,000 --> 04:20:05,000
And that was 875,000 in reimbursement.

3103
04:20:05,000 --> 04:20:13,000
And then FY25 total payments received for 2,100 transports is.

3104
04:20:13,000 --> 04:20:16,000
372 right now.

3105
04:20:16,000 --> 04:20:17,000
Okay.

3106
04:20:17,000 --> 04:20:22,000
Just a few more madam President, if you don't mind.

3107
04:20:22,000 --> 04:20:28,000
So it's safe to say that if you're able to transport more, we're able to build more and it could generate more money.

3108
04:20:28,000 --> 04:20:30,000
Correct.

3109
04:20:30,000 --> 04:20:34,000
Madam President, Councillor Champagne.

3110
04:20:34,000 --> 04:20:35,000
Yes.

3111
04:20:35,000 --> 04:20:46,000
But as the primary response agency for the city, we really value our partnership with Albuquerque ambulance to try to keep fire resources in district.

3112
04:20:46,000 --> 04:20:52,000
And not because as we transport, then we're pulling the fire resources out of our district.

3113
04:20:52,000 --> 04:21:01,000
And so we really tried to work with Albuquerque ambulance to transport mainly based off of the needs of the system.

3114
04:21:01,000 --> 04:21:07,000
But not to generate revenue because then an entire district could be stripped of our services.

3115
04:21:07,000 --> 04:21:13,000
And we're a two tiered system, which I don't want to get into the weeds because I could talk to you for hours about that.

3116
04:21:13,000 --> 04:21:26,000
And I recall, I mean, rescue would wait, you know, they would, unless it was a category one rescue would wait for Albuquerque ambulance to show up 15, 20 minutes at a time.

3117
04:21:26,000 --> 04:21:29,000
I recall.

3118
04:21:29,000 --> 04:21:34,000
What's the policy right now as far as Madam Chair, what's the Madam President?

3119
04:21:35,000 --> 04:21:39,000
You have a policy right now that it's minimum staffing levels.

3120
04:21:39,000 --> 04:21:44,000
How does this change that policy if you're able to implement this?

3121
04:21:44,000 --> 04:21:45,000
No.

3122
04:21:45,000 --> 04:21:48,000
Madam Chair, Councillor Champagne.

3123
04:21:48,000 --> 04:21:57,000
We have several policies that will need to be changed and one of which would be the minimum levels on the rescue.

3124
04:21:57,000 --> 04:21:59,000
It would stay two firefighters.

3125
04:21:59,000 --> 04:22:05,000
We cannot operate or rescue without two firefighters on it so that that will stay the same.

3126
04:22:05,000 --> 04:22:20,000
But the levels of licensure for minimum requirements could change where we don't consider not having two paramedics as as an atypical rescue.

3127
04:22:20,000 --> 04:22:32,000
And Madam President, you currently have over time available for rescue is obviously to fill in spots and are paramedics for fill in spots and so how much is that over time budget anywhere.

3128
04:22:32,000 --> 04:22:40,000
Madam President, Councillor Champagne, are over time budget looking at my.

3129
04:22:40,000 --> 04:22:45,000
Is what we're budgeted for.

3130
04:22:46,000 --> 04:22:51,000
Our over time is very hard to explain, but we're budget if anybody has never looked at our.

3131
04:22:51,000 --> 04:22:57,000
Our over time and break down, but anywhere for one, one to two million is what we're budgeted for for over.

3132
04:22:57,000 --> 04:23:03,000
And by Madam President by splitting this up, that would reduce that to some extent, you wouldn't.

3133
04:23:03,000 --> 04:23:08,000
You can manipulate the manning levels a little better so that that isn't used as much correct.

3134
04:23:08,000 --> 04:23:13,000
Madam President, Councillor Champagne.

3135
04:23:13,000 --> 04:23:28,000
We would still backfill paramedics with paramedics and so it would it would not make a huge impact on our over time because the the paramedics that is moved to the engine.

3136
04:23:28,000 --> 04:23:36,000
We would still backfill that paramedic sorry we still yes we still backfill that paramedic with the paramedic.

3137
04:23:36,000 --> 04:23:38,000
Thank you Madam President.

3138
04:23:39,000 --> 04:23:44,000
Thank you Madam President. Thank you everybody. I know this is a long discussion.

3139
04:23:44,000 --> 04:23:51,000
I have to admit I have absolutely no knowledge of staffing and I until Friday night when I saw this proposal.

3140
04:23:51,000 --> 04:23:54,000
Didn't know that I needed to know about staffing at AFR.

3141
04:23:54,000 --> 04:23:59,000
So please forgive the basic questions, but I'm trying to learn.

3142
04:23:59,000 --> 04:24:04,000
Since we were apparently going to vote on this when I learned about this on Friday night.

3143
04:24:05,000 --> 04:24:12,000
So we heard earlier that paramedics are dropping their certificates because of this change.

3144
04:24:12,000 --> 04:24:19,000
Is that true? Have you seen folks that are saying I don't want to keep this certification?

3145
04:24:19,000 --> 04:24:21,000
Madam President, Councillor.

3146
04:24:21,000 --> 04:24:33,000
We have had paramedics drop their licenses in the past a few years and it's a difficult process depending on your your rank and the department.

3147
04:24:34,000 --> 04:24:37,000
But we have had some paramedics drop their licenses.

3148
04:24:37,000 --> 04:24:38,000
Thank you.

3149
04:24:38,000 --> 04:24:45,000
And you said that you've had two stations that were already using this this model.

3150
04:24:45,000 --> 04:24:51,000
Have you and I know that you said that there hadn't been any grievances filed about that.

3151
04:24:51,000 --> 04:24:58,000
But I think for me what's more important is have you seen any data that suggest that people are dying more often that there are more.

3152
04:24:58,000 --> 04:25:04,000
You know impacts on the people of Albuquerque rather than impacts on staff.

3153
04:25:04,000 --> 04:25:06,000
Madam President, Councillor.

3154
04:25:06,000 --> 04:25:20,000
We have looked at our response in those two areas and we do not have any trends that in either of those districts that people are dying at higher rates.

3155
04:25:20,000 --> 04:25:27,000
Thank you for that Madam President and then the changing the policy that would change on this weekend on the eighth.

3156
04:25:28,000 --> 04:25:33,000
You said there before more stations. How are those four stations chosen?

3157
04:25:33,000 --> 04:25:35,000
Madam President, Councillor.

3158
04:25:35,000 --> 04:25:37,000
Yes.

3159
04:25:37,000 --> 04:25:51,000
When the staffing changes would go into effect it would be March 8 with the with the with the with the with the with the paid period and the four stations that we selected with this model.

3160
04:25:51,000 --> 04:26:01,000
We're selected using a combination of factors one of which was their level of of higher acuity calls.

3161
04:26:01,000 --> 04:26:06,000
So the second was their amounts of transports.

3162
04:26:06,000 --> 04:26:15,000
And then we also factored in slightly factored in a transport time to the hospital into the selection of these four.

3163
04:26:15,000 --> 04:26:27,000
Thank you Madam President and the rest of the stations would remain with the two paramedic model for the foreseeable future council president.

3164
04:26:27,000 --> 04:26:28,000
Councillor.

3165
04:26:28,000 --> 04:26:35,000
Yes, the rest of the stations not including these six because the other two stations will remain in this model.

3166
04:26:35,000 --> 04:26:43,000
So the rest of our stations are the rest of our 22 stations would remain with the model with two paramedics on the rescue.

3167
04:26:43,000 --> 04:26:46,000
Thank you, Madam President, couple more questions.

3168
04:26:46,000 --> 04:26:52,000
So why don't we just hire more paramedics and solve this problem.

3169
04:26:52,000 --> 04:26:54,000
Madam Chair, Councillor Feeble.

3170
04:26:54,000 --> 04:26:57,000
That's the million dollar question.

3171
04:26:57,000 --> 04:27:01,000
We have a signing bonus for paramedics to come.

3172
04:27:01,000 --> 04:27:08,000
We're lucky if we get one to that that make it through to our academy.

3173
04:27:08,000 --> 04:27:14,000
We really rely on internal recruitment for our paramedic program.

3174
04:27:14,000 --> 04:27:23,000
And it can be a struggle when you see all the issues that go into our staffing and our operations.

3175
04:27:23,000 --> 04:27:25,000
It can be a struggle to recruit.

3176
04:27:25,000 --> 04:27:37,000
And so we are working with the colleges, like we said, the IFF and us are sitting on a committee with the Joe to work on more opportunities to train paramedics.

3177
04:27:37,000 --> 04:27:41,000
But we also have to make sure that there's job satisfaction for our paramedics.

3178
04:27:41,000 --> 04:27:52,000
Whether they prefer working in the dual model or for our paramedics that are very excited that they've been able to bid over into a position on the engine.

3179
04:27:52,000 --> 04:27:53,000
Thank you, Madam President.

3180
04:27:53,000 --> 04:28:02,000
So I would say that I got about half of the emails I got today were against this change and the other half were I want this change.

3181
04:28:02,000 --> 04:28:05,000
So I'm very confused.

3182
04:28:06,000 --> 04:28:15,000
Why is it so hard to hire paramedics? Is there some culture change that needs to happen? Do we need to pay more? Do we need.

3183
04:28:15,000 --> 04:28:18,000
What else needs to happen?

3184
04:28:18,000 --> 04:28:29,000
Madam President, Councillor Teebelkorn, there is there is an interesting culture in our department around our rescues as a as a lifelong paramedic.

3185
04:28:29,000 --> 04:28:39,000
We've been called nurses. We've been, you know, it's in our in our firefighter culture. The rescue has an incredibly important role on the fire ground.

3186
04:28:39,000 --> 04:28:44,000
They're generally the ones that go in and do search for victims.

3187
04:28:44,000 --> 04:28:50,000
But you're not writing on the engine. You're not getting that time on the ladder. The big fire trucks.

3188
04:28:50,000 --> 04:29:00,000
And so, so I think there's firefighters that say other departments where they are utilizing firefighters on other trucks.

3189
04:29:00,000 --> 04:29:14,000
And in this day, in age where we have more competitive neighboring departments with recruitment. We're really kind of all competing for that very precious resource in those paramedics.

3190
04:29:15,000 --> 04:29:24,000
And so this a big part of this change and probably why you saw divided emails. Is it is a very divided issue?

3191
04:29:24,000 --> 04:29:32,000
Depending on if you talk to the paramedic that has two years on the job. If you talk to the paramedic that is 24 years on the job.

3192
04:29:32,000 --> 04:29:42,000
I have that opportunity to work in other divisions or have they then trying I keep denying certain individuals positions in our training divisions because their paramedics.

3193
04:29:42,000 --> 04:29:50,000
And I can't allow them the opportunity to have some lateral flexibility into other positions in our department and their current rank.

3194
04:29:50,000 --> 04:30:00,000
They can only promote off of that truck. And so I think there's a lot of culture issues there that is probably why you saw those divided emails.

3195
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:10,000
From our firefighters. Thank you, Madam President. And so can you just walk me through how this is supposed to happen.

3196
04:30:10,000 --> 04:30:18,000
These types of changes are supposed to be negotiated when council is not involved. Because I've never been involved one of these have been here for over three years.

3197
04:30:18,000 --> 04:30:24,000
I would be happy to never be involved in another one. Can you talk us through what that process is supposed to be?

3198
04:30:24,000 --> 04:30:38,000
Madam President, Councillor, we make frequent change in our department. And we try to make change with data based on the needs of our department.

3199
04:30:38,000 --> 04:30:49,000
We just moved a battalion chief role into another division. We brought that to labor management. We made sure they understood that we were going to change the role of that battalion chief.

3200
04:30:49,000 --> 04:30:54,000
There's a lot of dialogue that goes into any of our changes, data, things like that.

3201
04:30:54,000 --> 04:31:13,000
I think my concern here is that I'm not aware of a time that any change in the department in any public safety department in the fire department is being dictated by elected officials.

3202
04:31:13,000 --> 04:31:27,000
I think that I'm always open for dialogue. Obviously we have a lot of dialogue tonight. And there's a lot of issues that go into how we make our staffing decisions.

3203
04:31:27,000 --> 04:31:43,000
When we get to a point with labor where we just have a disagreement, there's a whole other process in the negotiation process that involves the labor board.

3204
04:31:43,000 --> 04:31:52,000
And the labor board has a lot of authority when there's disagreement between what labor is feeling and what management is feeling.

3205
04:31:52,000 --> 04:32:08,000
And that is a more effective or a more in my opinion, a more appropriate place to resolve a discrepancy. It's clear it's clear tonight with everybody that has spoken that there's a difference in opinion on communication.

3206
04:32:08,000 --> 04:32:13,000
And the labor board is skilled and appropriate to rule on that.

3207
04:32:13,000 --> 04:32:32,000
In this, having a resolution that dictates lifelong changes for our department to find out about it on a Friday for immediate action on a Monday without all of this dialogue is very concerning precedent to set as a fire chief.

3208
04:32:32,000 --> 04:32:41,000
I think that it's clear we need more dialogue. We want to discuss this resolution. We want to discuss those implications with everybody involved.

3209
04:32:41,000 --> 04:32:49,000
It even states that in the current resolution that those discussions should have happened prior to the amendment and they didn't.

3210
04:32:49,000 --> 04:33:07,000
And so there is a process I think the labor board is very appropriate, but I also do not want to not point out that we would be willing to discuss the the language in the resolution as it states in the current resolution.

3211
04:33:07,000 --> 04:33:10,000
But that we have not had that opportunity.

3212
04:33:10,000 --> 04:33:21,000
Thank you. Thank you, Madam President. One last question. And I'm not sure if this is for chief or for perhaps, Miss Keith. I'm just curious if if this passes.

3213
04:33:21,000 --> 04:33:28,000
And we say, you know, the city council is now setting staffing requirements or levels or whatever we want to say.

3214
04:33:28,000 --> 04:33:36,000
Does this set of really in my opinion, scary president of if things don't go right in the next.

3215
04:33:36,000 --> 04:33:47,000
Negotiation is this now the next stop for every staffing problem that we have in the city of Albuquerque because I truly am not qualified to be voting on this.

3216
04:33:47,000 --> 04:33:51,000
I did not I have no knowledge of staffing on any departments.

3217
04:33:51,000 --> 04:34:02,000
I did not run for council to be in HR and so I just want to make sure we setting ourselves up to become kind of de facto HR with this type of legislation.

3218
04:34:02,000 --> 04:34:12,000
I think the answer to that question goes back to the answer the question that you just asked the chief, which is where is this supposed to go.

3219
04:34:12,000 --> 04:34:17,000
There is a procedure or when the union does not agree with management is to how that's dealt with.

3220
04:34:17,000 --> 04:34:29,000
There are in-pass procedures they can go to the labor board the labor board can appoint a mediator the later labor board can send them to arbitration but there are ways for the union to get relief.

3221
04:34:29,000 --> 04:34:36,000
And I do believe that the terms of the labor management relations ordinance which is an ordinance passed by this council.

3222
04:34:36,000 --> 04:34:42,000
The board the labor board is created by this council these impasse procedures are created by this council.

3223
04:34:42,000 --> 04:34:51,000
That ordinance also says that that the elected officials are not supposed to get involved in these disputes when they're when they're under negotiation.

3224
04:34:51,000 --> 04:35:02,000
I did want to clarify two councilor Rogers point we're not talking about the negotiations that resulted in the CBA last summer there have been negotiation between the chief and the union or management and the union.

3225
04:35:02,000 --> 04:35:09,000
On going about this specific issue.

3226
04:35:09,000 --> 04:35:16,000
Okay thank you for those questions thank you for all that information have learned a lot tonight thank you Madam President.

3227
04:35:16,000 --> 04:35:27,000
Okay so councilor Lewis you did want to say something specifically related to this but I would like to also make sure to keep that as you know you get your turn but some councilors haven't spoken at all and then I'm going to go to that.

3228
04:35:27,000 --> 04:35:36,000
Just briefly and I'm not definitely want to hear Madam President from the some of the representatives of the firefighters again tonight you know based on some of the responses.

3229
04:35:36,000 --> 04:36:01,000
I do want to say that you know are 1641 included staffing it included staffing of apparatus I mean all throughout it all throughout it I mean so this there is precedence for all of this we're not said any precedence tonight I just want to make sure that that's very clear and everything from.

3230
04:36:01,000 --> 04:36:19,000
I mean we want to do things all the time and so there's precedence and by the way to our 1641 was signed by the merit the time as well and so it's kind of hard to make the argument that the administration didn't agree that the council have this ability as well.

3231
04:36:19,000 --> 04:36:27,000
because there may have been some some differing of opinions but the mayor ended up signing that resolution that included staffing.

3232
04:36:27,000 --> 04:36:39,000
Changes and staff it is staffing and by the way chief that have lifelong those had some like as you said lifelong implications you know so we've done all that we've done that and we have an opportunity to do that tonight.

3233
04:36:39,000 --> 04:36:50,000
and by by voting on this resolution tonight by approving this resolution tonight we give you the opportunity to go back and actually get some consensus with the firefighters we do.

3234
04:36:50,000 --> 04:36:56,000
If we don't approve this tonight then you have the ability and I think you're going to go ahead and just go ahead and move on.

3235
04:36:56,000 --> 04:37:07,000
you know through and make these changes without the consensus of the firefighters and other side so I think you know tonight we're really honoring you know the people that serve us.

3236
04:37:07,000 --> 04:37:13,000
that have some differing opinions on on the best way to provide these kind of services so that that's it this present thank you.

3237
04:37:13,000 --> 04:37:16,000
Councillor councilor councilor Sanchez.

3238
04:37:16,000 --> 04:37:19,000
Thank you Madam President.

3239
04:37:19,000 --> 04:37:26,000
Lots of discussion going on here so I have a quick question for the fire chief actually three questions.

3240
04:37:26,000 --> 04:37:38,000
First of all you actually said you had two fire stations station two three with one paramedic engine that correct.

3241
04:37:38,000 --> 04:37:58,000
Councilor Madam President Councilor Sanchez we have two stations with the the split model with them on the engine and the rescue and then I want to make sure we don't forget about station 10 off your ground but there's only an engine there and they have one paramedic on that engine but I want to make sure we don't forget about them they just don't have a rescue there.

3242
04:37:58,000 --> 04:38:07,000
Okay is is a rescue paramedic unit ever dispatched to assist with any of those units.

3243
04:38:08,000 --> 04:38:13,000
Madam President and Councilor Sanchez.

3244
04:38:13,000 --> 04:38:24,000
Yes there's rescue at those stations and if everybody is tied up then an out of district rescue would respond.

3245
04:38:24,000 --> 04:38:36,000
Okay so they do respond to those districts or those stations to help those firefighters that actually might need help if there if there's if they need to.

3246
04:38:36,000 --> 04:38:46,000
Madam President Councilor Sanchez yes there's some auto dispatch there and then also any time any of our units request additional assistance.

3247
04:38:46,000 --> 04:38:56,000
They're able to get that granted through our dispatch center as well so it there's some auto built in where rescue can assist and then there's also the ability to request.

3248
04:38:56,000 --> 04:39:04,000
Okay so there is so there they will get help okay so the next thing you actually mentioned that there was a survey.

3249
04:39:05,000 --> 04:39:10,000
Madam President Council.

3250
04:39:10,000 --> 04:39:14,000
Madam President Councilor Sanchez.

3251
04:39:14,000 --> 04:39:27,000
There was a survey that we released in 2021 I have we there was several questions that were asked before we started even.

3252
04:39:28,000 --> 04:39:43,000
Deciding to pilot this I'd be really happy to share the survey results if you I know we tried to connect today and we weren't able to but I'd be really happy to to show you those results I can at a high levels speak that.

3253
04:39:43,000 --> 04:39:52,000
Madam President do you have the actual results of the survey do you know what what the breakdown was on that survey that being weren't for us as well.

3254
04:39:57,000 --> 04:40:26,000
Madam President Councilor Sanchez this survey was sent to then CAO 3 to Nire in October of 2021 with the proposal for our pilot to start this.

3255
04:40:26,000 --> 04:40:38,000
This model at two stations and the survey results I'll just highlight some of them I'd be happy to share the whole survey it's broken died by licensure level.

3256
04:40:38,000 --> 04:40:45,000
Here's what are which are which of the following do you feel would motivate members to enroll in paramedic school most.

3257
04:40:45,000 --> 04:40:50,000
Our entire department was surveyed 735 responses at that time.

3258
04:40:50,000 --> 04:41:06,000
The number one answer with 37% of our department was having the ability to work on all apparatus in the system followed by 33% increased in paramedic pay which we did accomplish.

3259
04:41:06,000 --> 04:41:22,000
Followed by 14% monetary incentives for attending paramedic school for current members 14% we do have that we have a bonus and following that is that 15% I would only go to paramedic school if I was forced.

3260
04:41:22,000 --> 04:41:25,000
Another relevant question in the survey.

3261
04:41:25,000 --> 04:41:26,000
Hold on one second.

3262
04:41:27,000 --> 04:41:29,000
In all fairness I don't want to go through the whole survey.

3263
04:41:29,000 --> 04:41:30,000
Yeah that's a no.

3264
04:41:30,000 --> 04:41:34,000
She can put into us at another time but we're not going to do anything.

3265
04:41:34,000 --> 04:41:38,000
What some of the results were but.

3266
04:41:38,000 --> 04:41:41,000
Here's the thing that I'm seeing when I've been here.

3267
04:41:41,000 --> 04:41:49,000
I'm sitting here listening to everything that's gone on sitting here listening to you sitting here listening to our firefighters and the audience.

3268
04:41:50,000 --> 04:41:55,000
What I'm hearing and I'm going to ask you a question at the end of this is I'm hearing things like.

3269
04:41:55,000 --> 04:41:59,000
Two paramedics checking and double checking meds.

3270
04:41:59,000 --> 04:42:01,000
I'm hearing step backwards.

3271
04:42:01,000 --> 04:42:05,000
Well equipped and well maintained transport options.

3272
04:42:05,000 --> 04:42:07,000
That means you can transport.

3273
04:42:07,000 --> 04:42:13,000
I'm hearing things like.

3274
04:42:14,000 --> 04:42:20,000
Deep history service for addition best service in the country gold standard.

3275
04:42:20,000 --> 04:42:24,000
I'm hearing things like safety about paramedics.

3276
04:42:24,000 --> 04:42:33,000
If you have two or three paramedics on site they prevent mistakes and save each other from costly lawsuits and and things like that.

3277
04:42:33,000 --> 04:42:42,000
So if you have a single paramedic and he makes it and he makes a mistake he's not getting any backup or maybe any kind of direction from somebody who might have.

3278
04:42:42,000 --> 04:42:44,000
That institutional knowledge.

3279
04:42:44,000 --> 04:42:54,000
I'm hearing medical licensure on the line by having backup protecting each other's licenses as they treat individuals.

3280
04:42:54,000 --> 04:43:02,000
I'm hearing 90% EMS calls 35 years can run effective unit with only one paramedic deluding the care.

3281
04:43:02,000 --> 04:43:11,000
And when you when you hear all these things that we've been hearing in reference to this this it makes it sound to me that.

3282
04:43:11,000 --> 04:43:16,000
That the biggest issue that we're dealing with is the safety of our constituents.

3283
04:43:16,000 --> 04:43:19,000
The safety of the paramedics.

3284
04:43:19,000 --> 04:43:26,000
The safety of other of other public safety individuals when you have a gold standard of care.

3285
04:43:26,000 --> 04:43:33,000
Deal with it dealing with experience and have that in institutional knowledge based on a cardiac arrest event.

3286
04:43:33,000 --> 04:43:39,000
These these paramedics can confer with each other to provide an excellent care.

3287
04:43:40,000 --> 04:43:46,000
I expect this kind of delivery to my fellow brothers and sisters on the police department.

3288
04:43:46,000 --> 04:43:58,000
One of the things that we have that the paramedics have that the fire trucks do not have is they have the ability to scoop and go and can carry somebody straight to the hospital immediately.

3289
04:43:58,000 --> 04:44:03,000
The fire truck doesn't have a journey and we and we obviously know that.

3290
04:44:03,000 --> 04:44:09,000
I really want the best coverage and my district for my family for my constituents.

3291
04:44:09,000 --> 04:44:13,000
And even the firefighters are out there delivering that.

3292
04:44:13,000 --> 04:44:18,000
And I think that deluding the services is is going to hurt us.

3293
04:44:18,000 --> 04:44:23,000
We've seen deluded services on the other side on public safety side and APD.

3294
04:44:23,000 --> 04:44:29,000
When I was a police officer at APD in a squad I had 15 officers as a sergeant.

3295
04:44:29,000 --> 04:44:38,000
Now these guys are working with five so I have a real big problem when we start deluding services to the public and putting their lives at risk.

3296
04:44:38,000 --> 04:44:41,000
And that's what's going on on the other side at least.

3297
04:44:41,000 --> 04:44:50,000
You know we're not getting calls for service answers there's not enough police officers there's things that are that are going on that are preventing officers from going to work there.

3298
04:44:50,000 --> 04:44:54,000
Right now we want to make sure that they have the best.

3299
04:44:54,000 --> 04:45:00,000
The constituents of Albuquerque have the best service that we can get and.

3300
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:08,000
Right now, I think it's really important that we really consider that this issue is about the safety of our constituents.

3301
04:45:08,000 --> 04:45:20,000
And so based on that, the last question I have, are your heels stuck in the ground? Are you going to deal with this after hearing all of what we've gone on?

3302
04:45:20,000 --> 04:45:29,000
Is there a way that you're going to be able to negotiate with these folks to maybe find a way so that we don't dilute the service so that we have a situation

3303
04:45:29,000 --> 04:45:37,000
where these rescues are still providing that gold standard and can maybe protect each other?

3304
04:45:37,000 --> 04:45:42,000
You know, as an APD officer, when you call for backup, your backups there to back you up.

3305
04:45:42,000 --> 04:45:47,000
If you're on a rescue squad and you don't have that backup, you're going to have an issue.

3306
04:45:47,000 --> 04:45:57,000
You know, whether you're providing life saving treatment, how in the world are you going to be able to do that if that other person is not backing you up?

3307
04:45:57,000 --> 04:46:05,000
So I think that having backup is extremely important in these situations and again.

3308
04:46:05,000 --> 04:46:11,000
I'm just asking, are your heels dug in the sand? Are you going to just continue with this?

3309
04:46:11,000 --> 04:46:17,000
Or are you going to help the citizens, the constituents of Albuquerque and reference to their safety?

3310
04:46:17,000 --> 04:46:21,000
Because I am hearing that their safety is at risk.

3311
04:46:22,000 --> 04:46:24,000
Madam President, Councilor Sanchez.

3312
04:46:24,000 --> 04:46:28,000
I actually believe that what we have is a best practice.

3313
04:46:28,000 --> 04:46:33,000
I think we're actually delivering a better service with this plan to the constituents.

3314
04:46:33,000 --> 04:46:37,000
So I have done extensive research.

3315
04:46:37,000 --> 04:46:47,000
We have our county, our counterparts at county who are also represented by this union run single paramedic.

3316
04:46:47,000 --> 04:46:53,000
Rescue is actually run a very different system, but the fire chief want to meet a pass along.

3317
04:46:53,000 --> 04:46:58,000
What you are proposing has been what we have been operating for as year for years.

3318
04:46:58,000 --> 04:47:03,000
And the level of service we provide is no less than what is provided with a two medic rescue.

3319
04:47:03,000 --> 04:47:10,000
I hope you're able to convince your counselors and let them and have them let you manage your staffing.

3320
04:47:10,000 --> 04:47:15,000
If I took my job and when I took my job, I took it very serious.

3321
04:47:15,000 --> 04:47:20,000
It's my job to make sure we provide a good service to the public.

3322
04:47:20,000 --> 04:47:25,000
I wouldn't be standing here if I didn't believe that this would provide a better service.

3323
04:47:25,000 --> 04:47:30,000
And as busy as we are to be able to have resources on both trucks,

3324
04:47:30,000 --> 04:47:35,000
able to take on more of those calls with higher levels of training.

3325
04:47:35,000 --> 04:47:44,000
And so it's hard for me to answer that question because I do believe that I'm standing here with a plan that will serve the public.

3326
04:47:44,000 --> 04:47:47,000
Better.

3327
04:47:47,000 --> 04:47:48,000
Thank you.

3328
04:47:48,000 --> 04:47:50,000
I have one more question.

3329
04:47:50,000 --> 04:47:54,000
Me working the streets of Albuquerque, time and time again.

3330
04:47:54,000 --> 04:48:01,000
Have been involved in situations where I've seen officers get picked up and there's a scoop and go.

3331
04:48:01,000 --> 04:48:04,000
Can you scoop and go on a fire truck with a journey?

3332
04:48:04,000 --> 04:48:07,000
Is there a journey on a fire truck and can you scoop and go?

3333
04:48:07,000 --> 04:48:18,000
Madam President, Councillor Sanchez, no, but if that rescue was not in district and that officer needed to be stabilized until an out of district rescue could show up to scoop them up.

3334
04:48:18,000 --> 04:48:28,000
They would have a paramedic immediately available to start to initiate that care because our trucks are not available 100% of the time.

3335
04:48:28,000 --> 04:48:34,000
And so what we're trying to do is say if that rescue is tied up and we need to respond to an officer,

3336
04:48:34,000 --> 04:48:42,000
then we have that that paramedic on that truck that can start stabilizing until the next district rescue can come in.

3337
04:48:42,000 --> 04:48:49,000
I'm sorry Chief, I don't buy that because if any of one of these people were out there dealing with their brothers and sisters,

3338
04:48:49,000 --> 04:48:54,000
you'd probably have three or four paramedic units responding to that officer.

3339
04:48:55,000 --> 04:49:01,000
Councillors, I'd like to make a motion to suspend the rules and extend the meeting to midnight.

3340
04:49:01,000 --> 04:49:06,000
There's a second for Madam Vice President, all those in favor raise your hand and say yes.

3341
04:49:06,000 --> 04:49:09,000
Anyone opposed?

3342
04:49:09,000 --> 04:49:12,000
That motion passes.

3343
04:49:12,000 --> 04:49:17,000
Madam Vice President.

3344
04:49:17,000 --> 04:49:23,000
Thank you Madam President, so I have a few questions not for you Chief, but probably our attorneys, I think I'll start with Kevin and then

3345
04:49:23,000 --> 04:49:26,000
and Miss Keith, if you can answer the questions as well.

3346
04:49:26,000 --> 04:49:34,000
So just a couple of things, you know, I mean we're talking about the separation power, I have the memo from Miss Keith and friend of me.

3347
04:49:34,000 --> 04:49:40,000
And so I don't want to get into any of the staffing stuff because yeah, that's above my pay grade, so same thing.

3348
04:49:40,000 --> 04:49:49,000
But just to ask that, you know, I just recently met with AFSME and they actually showed me in the contract because they were coming to us,

3349
04:49:49,000 --> 04:49:52,000
asking us for pay for this next budget cycle.

3350
04:49:52,000 --> 04:50:01,000
And they were asking and saying that they hadn't negotiated in their pay that the administration hadn't negotiated in their pay.

3351
04:50:01,000 --> 04:50:05,000
I mean for their pay that they could come negotiate with council.

3352
04:50:05,000 --> 04:50:13,000
So I think I mentioned that to CAO, I think I don't know who else has that information on no Kevin, if you have that, but that was negotiated in there.

3353
04:50:13,000 --> 04:50:20,000
So when we're talking about separation of powers, I think it really confuses me in terms of, well,

3354
04:50:20,000 --> 04:50:28,000
so can we negotiate AFSME or can we, which we have no business doing, so I don't know how that got in there, but they showed me the reference.

3355
04:50:28,000 --> 04:50:33,000
I was actually trying to look for the email that had that in there.

3356
04:50:33,000 --> 04:50:48,000
So then the second thing is that, you know, we actually set presidents, I think another council said that earlier with R41, whatever was discussed during the meeting, the resolution passed.

3357
04:50:48,000 --> 04:50:57,000
So that's what's in the books. And so whether there was different context or what people interpreted it to be or what they were discussing,

3358
04:50:57,000 --> 04:51:03,000
at the meeting really doesn't really matter. We have a resolution that's set presidents and that it passed.

3359
04:51:03,000 --> 04:51:16,000
And then, so then if this is an ideal way of staffing, then why would we, why would we strike it?

3360
04:51:16,000 --> 04:51:26,000
How does the union then renegotiated back in? Because as you all know, with union contracts, it's really hard to negotiate something once you kind of let go of it, right?

3361
04:51:26,000 --> 04:51:40,000
And then, so I guess Mr. Marrow, my question is with the separation of power, I'm reading the memo and the memo actually says that it's likely, but this is a difficult question, right?

3362
04:51:40,000 --> 04:51:55,000
So really, there's no determination within this memo about separation of powers. It's really, I mean, even Miss Keith, you cite that it should actually probably, if we voted on it, it would go to the IGC or to court, right?

3363
04:51:55,000 --> 04:52:09,000
And then when you go to the second issue, it says a conflict with existing ordinances. So here, here again,

3364
04:52:09,000 --> 04:52:17,000
I mean, it doesn't really conflict in terms of the resolution that was passed. I mean, so we've already set presidents that we've done this.

3365
04:52:17,000 --> 04:52:31,000
I have, I have the mindset that, how can we, I guess here's my question, how can we then have an asked me contract that says that they can come to counsel to negotiate their pay?

3366
04:52:31,000 --> 04:52:44,000
And then, yet, here, be questioned about the separation of power when we have set presidents and have passed this resolution in the past.

3367
04:52:44,000 --> 04:52:48,000
Okay, and counsel, President Basan and Councillor Paine, yeah.

3368
04:52:48,000 --> 04:52:58,000
First, I need to let you know that I have not seen that the asked me bargaining agreement, so I'm not sure if it was negotiated in there.

3369
04:52:58,000 --> 04:53:03,000
As you say, that that certainly would provide clear guidance that counsel could make these decisions.

3370
04:53:03,000 --> 04:53:15,000
I think that the argument for counsel's participation in this conversation is that counsel is establishing a policy based on the health and welfare of the inhabitants of the city.

3371
04:53:15,000 --> 04:53:24,000
There, there has been a previous resolution that is passed. I would agree with Ms. Keith that this is not typical.

3372
04:53:24,000 --> 04:53:32,000
It's not typical for city council to be involved in these sorts of things, but there is clearly president that it has happened before, and it is something that would likely,

3373
04:53:32,000 --> 04:53:40,000
as a complaint has been filed by the administration against a couple of city counselors and the union president, we can,

3374
04:53:40,000 --> 04:53:57,000
with almost certainly know that both the labor management review board will look into this to make it a determination, and then also the Intergovernmental Conference Committee could be made available or and or eventually district court, but this is.

3375
04:53:57,000 --> 04:54:07,000
There's not a clear answer, but I also don't think there's any clear prohibition on council's participation in this matter.

3376
04:54:08,000 --> 04:54:13,000
So Mr. Marrow, so you know, I mean, we're hearing from.

3377
04:54:13,000 --> 04:54:26,000
During the negotiation process that they weren't aware of this staffing that was going to, so I think the union is basically saying that this was negotiated kind of in bad faith, right.

3378
04:54:26,000 --> 04:54:30,000
So, I guess.

3379
04:54:30,000 --> 04:54:46,000
What we need to do here tonight is either vote, and, and you know, whatever happens happens in terms of what the outcome of the vote is, and then I think it would absolutely go either as Ms. Keith says to quarter to the IG, the IGC.

3380
04:54:46,000 --> 04:55:02,000
But the other thing is is, what about just going back and going back into negotiations and figuring out, figuring out how to work this rather than to have a big old drawn out process and and.

3381
04:55:02,000 --> 04:55:15,000
And I think I had mentioned that to the CAO before about really going back and talking to the firefighters because I think this is really important and my my.

3382
04:55:15,000 --> 04:55:29,000
I would pause to say that I would probably likely support the firefighters in terms of filling that they don't they didn't feel like that they weren't negotiating in bad faith.

3383
04:55:29,000 --> 04:55:31,000
So, Miss Keith.

3384
04:55:31,000 --> 04:55:33,000
Madam President, Councillor.

3385
04:55:33,000 --> 04:55:51,000
You suggested that the IFF believes that management is bargaining in bad faith, and in fact they have asserted that they have filed their own PBC it was filed a month ago taking that very position that management was bargaining in bad faith.

3386
04:55:51,000 --> 04:55:57,000
And so I guess I would say that I think that's a decision for the labor board and is already before the labor board.

3387
04:55:57,000 --> 04:56:18,000
And that that is a process that the council created where that attention of bad faith goes to the labor board in a labor board decides you know whether whether their management had a sufficient number of meetings whether people had access to meetings and whether they should reopen negotiation on this point.

3388
04:56:18,000 --> 04:56:23,000
Madam President, that's all I have now thank you.

3389
04:56:23,000 --> 04:56:27,000
I have a couple of questions.

3390
04:56:27,000 --> 04:56:29,000
So.

3391
04:56:29,000 --> 04:56:32,000
Hold on, I'll get back to you.

3392
04:56:32,000 --> 04:56:38,000
I promise I'm circling back, but for those of us that hadn't spoken work finishing.

3393
04:56:38,000 --> 04:56:44,000
And you have eventually just wanted to speak to the ask me language if it's possible just because I'm looking at one now.

3394
04:56:44,000 --> 04:56:48,000
Okay, go ahead and speak to it. I'm sorry. I can wait if you would go ahead.

3395
04:56:48,000 --> 04:56:57,000
Okay, thank you. I have one of the contracts in front of me. I do not know Madam President, Councillor Pena. This is exactly what the language is that you're referencing.

3396
04:56:57,000 --> 04:57:09,000
What I have is an under the salary schedule provisions, which is pay provisions. It says the mayor's proposed budget for FY 25 will include the minimum 3.0 increase in the hourly rate of pay.

3397
04:57:09,000 --> 04:57:17,000
It is understood by the parties that the implementation of any wage and or benefit increases are subject to city council budget appropriation.

3398
04:57:17,000 --> 04:57:42,000
But there shall be no retroactive compensation benefit in the agreement. And so I just want to make a reference that it does also then, I'm sorry, says wages are contingent on the terms of section 3 to 19 of the city's labor management relations ordinance and also approval and appropriation in and for the FY 25 budget by the city council and signature by the mayor.

3399
04:57:42,000 --> 04:57:52,000
That is the reference I see related to city council's role, which is of course, I think in almost every one of our contracts to ensure that we obviously don't have appropriating rights.

3400
04:57:52,000 --> 04:57:56,000
We proposed there what has been negotiated in the budget that we present.

3401
04:57:56,000 --> 04:58:07,000
I'm happy to continue to look for that additional language. I'm not aware of anywhere in which it states that.

3402
04:58:08,000 --> 04:58:19,000
So without having it in front of me, what they showed me and gave to me, then I couldn't say whether that was the reference or not. I wish I had it. I was looking at was searching a searching, but I can't find it.

3403
04:58:19,000 --> 04:58:32,000
But but part of the reason they came to me with us is because and this was verbally, but they said that the administration told them to come talk to us.

3404
04:58:32,000 --> 04:58:40,000
If so this is just what was said, so this is why we're a map right now. Thank you.

3405
04:58:40,000 --> 04:58:41,000
Thank you.

3406
04:58:41,000 --> 04:58:46,000
Currently we have 22 currently we have 22 fire stations.

3407
04:58:46,000 --> 04:58:54,000
2 well 3 2.5ish are working on this non dual paramedic model on rescue apparatus.

3408
04:58:55,000 --> 04:58:59,000
You're proposing to add four more to this new model.

3409
04:58:59,000 --> 04:59:09,000
What and I know you said it earlier, but where you don't have an intention of adding in the rest of the stations to this model at this time.

3410
04:59:09,000 --> 04:59:18,000
I know this is going to be like a big what if, but how long because I mean I would imagine that once this is broached it already has started.

3411
04:59:18,000 --> 04:59:24,000
Now we're adding four more eventually you're going to maybe I would imagine add more more and more more and more more.

3412
04:59:24,000 --> 04:59:28,000
So when is that going to happen? What does that look like?

3413
04:59:28,000 --> 04:59:37,000
How soon can people expect I mean because not saying this about you, but I've sat here before and been told we're not going to do that.

3414
04:59:37,000 --> 04:59:42,000
And then as soon as it passes six months later suddenly it's later so that's good enough.

3415
04:59:42,000 --> 04:59:47,000
What do you have to say about when the rest of the stations might see this kind of change?

3416
04:59:47,000 --> 05:00:00,000
Council president Madam President we I like to make changes on that cycle it's unless we're adding resources with within new fire station.

3417
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:06,640
Or something like that. It's less disruptive to make changes during good cycles. We have two-year

3418
05:00:06,640 --> 05:00:14,800
bid cycles. So we would be looking out two years from now. We have seen overwhelming success with our

3419
05:00:14,800 --> 05:00:22,000
two stations where we've done this model. And so it would be my intention to continue to look at

3420
05:00:22,000 --> 05:00:29,120
that outcomes that we have to make sure that this is working in our system.

3421
05:00:30,640 --> 05:00:38,320
Because we're very unique here. And so part of that also has been dialogue with our union

3422
05:00:38,320 --> 05:00:44,480
that we would be how it's going. And then one of the things that we had offered them is we

3423
05:00:44,480 --> 05:00:51,840
would make sure that we sat down prior to the next bid cycle to have discussions if we

3424
05:00:51,840 --> 05:00:56,800
need to continue to expand. Okay, so if you're going to expand past this next four,

3425
05:00:56,800 --> 05:01:01,600
if that were to be the case. You're saying that in another couple of years there would be a

3426
05:01:01,600 --> 05:01:07,680
re-valuation, a new conversation with labor and everyone else involved to determine whether or not.

3427
05:01:07,680 --> 05:01:14,080
So four more were added. Everyone can expect not to see even more added in the next couple of years.

3428
05:01:14,960 --> 05:01:21,840
Madam President, it would go back to what we would decide with labor at that point and what we would

3429
05:01:21,840 --> 05:01:28,960
decide with the best interest of the department. Thank you. So on one side we hear we're already doing this.

3430
05:01:28,960 --> 05:01:34,000
So it's not really changing anything by adding the word paramedic to the safe staffing resolution.

3431
05:01:34,000 --> 05:01:39,680
And on the other side we're hearing, well it actually does make a difference because it might

3432
05:01:39,680 --> 05:01:44,080
you know, I'm going to use the term. It's not something that I've heard from the other side, but to me

3433
05:01:44,080 --> 05:01:48,000
it's, you know, we're going to be a little bit restrictive over restrictive in some cases

3434
05:01:48,640 --> 05:01:54,400
possibly. And my big concern that I've shared with both sides is that I think the council is getting

3435
05:01:54,400 --> 05:01:59,760
really good at doing stuff and then almost immediately having to undo it. And it's disappointing.

3436
05:02:00,480 --> 05:02:08,160
And so I don't want us to put in this and pass this only to have us turn around in a few weeks or maybe

3437
05:02:08,160 --> 05:02:14,880
never, but end up in what is written in here as the exception of temporary extendencies or emergencies

3438
05:02:14,880 --> 05:02:22,320
as determined by the chief. So with that being said, I don't know if this is a question for you or if

3439
05:02:22,320 --> 05:02:29,200
it's somebody else that knows more of the data on staffing, but how many times if this were in place

3440
05:02:29,200 --> 05:02:34,560
and you were doing this already with this resolution with the two paramedics, how many times would we

3441
05:02:35,360 --> 05:02:40,080
be in violation or would we be in violation? Because again, I'm hearing two different sides and they

3442
05:02:40,080 --> 05:02:46,640
actually are not matching up. So I just would like some data on would this be something that we are

3443
05:02:46,640 --> 05:02:52,640
implementing that we have been, would we be in violation of it if we were to have had already had this in place

3444
05:02:52,640 --> 05:03:00,560
or not? Madam President, I'm going to have Deputy Chief, not like answer that question. He's involved

3445
05:03:00,560 --> 05:03:06,640
in most of our staffing. Okay, thank you. Deputy Chief. Madam President, Councillors, thank you.

3446
05:03:07,840 --> 05:03:15,120
My concern with the way this is currently written or if it's passed, the way it's written,

3447
05:03:15,120 --> 05:03:21,920
I'm 100% confident we will not be able to follow it. We would exhaust every possible option that we have

3448
05:03:22,720 --> 05:03:27,280
and we would not be able to guarantee that we could do this. Just one week ago, we had to show

3449
05:03:27,440 --> 05:03:32,880
a fire truck on Super Bowl Sunday, we shut down multiple trucks, not because we were short paramedics,

3450
05:03:32,880 --> 05:03:37,920
because we were short personnel. We're even worse short on paramedics than our personnel,

3451
05:03:37,920 --> 05:03:45,680
so that is my concern. Okay, so the data then, I guess is what I'm looking for too,

3452
05:03:46,960 --> 05:03:54,320
is if this were to have already passed, would we be able to fulfill this? But I'm present in

3453
05:03:54,320 --> 05:04:01,200
fellow Councillors, so I did run some numbers and looked at this. If this were to be in place,

3454
05:04:01,200 --> 05:04:06,960
say we take out Station 2 and Station 3, where we're using this one paramedic model. If we took that out of

3455
05:04:06,960 --> 05:04:16,240
a place and did that count that year to date, unless in two months we would have had over 24 violations.

3456
05:04:17,200 --> 05:04:24,000
If we go to your 2024 and this was in place after exhausting all options, not counting the trucks

3457
05:04:24,000 --> 05:04:32,320
that we were talking about, then we would have had over 600 violations of this ordinance. Okay, thank you.

3458
05:04:32,320 --> 05:04:39,200
Thank you, WW Chief. So I guess to me, I guess if we were to pass this, then what would prohibit you

3459
05:04:39,200 --> 05:04:43,680
from just saying that everything as a temporary exception of a temporary extended zero emergency if you

3460
05:04:43,680 --> 05:04:59,520
need it to? Madam President, I think that would be, that would be, that's a tough question to answer,

3461
05:04:59,520 --> 05:05:06,240
right? Like we would, we have abilities to force people into positions. We don't like to do that.

3462
05:05:07,040 --> 05:05:12,480
I think there would be a lot of, I'm sorry, I've been talking a lot and that's a hard word to say.

3463
05:05:14,080 --> 05:05:20,240
I think there would be either that, or we would be in a situation where I don't have enough

3464
05:05:20,240 --> 05:05:27,280
paramedic sign of for a retirement. That's why we have these situations that she's melodic brought up,

3465
05:05:27,280 --> 05:05:33,440
that we don't have the paramedic to staff, and that's one of my concerns with the lack of flexibility

3466
05:05:33,440 --> 05:05:41,120
in the amendment. I mean, they're not in compliance or I'm having to force into those positions

3467
05:05:41,120 --> 05:05:47,600
to make sure that we're compliant. Okay, and so I guess my last thing is on one side of this,

3468
05:05:47,600 --> 05:05:53,760
I see that we can go ahead and mandate this term and change the safe-stopping resolution,

3469
05:05:54,720 --> 05:06:00,800
and there's an exit strategy. I mean, it's written in here that there could be these extended circumstances,

3470
05:06:00,800 --> 05:06:07,840
but then on the other end of it, I hear that we're going to have four more, so six,

3471
05:06:08,800 --> 05:06:14,480
I don't mean to count. Station 10 is a point five, but to me it's kind of like saying that.

3472
05:06:14,480 --> 05:06:21,440
So we're going to have six stations that are operating this way. With the other still having the two

3473
05:06:21,440 --> 05:06:28,080
paramedics on the rescue apparatus, and my struggle is that both sides, I think have very valid arguments,

3474
05:06:28,960 --> 05:06:34,400
but I am a big fan of things or somewhere the truth is in the middle, right? And so to me, I'm worried

3475
05:06:34,400 --> 05:06:40,320
that we're going to put ourselves and back ourselves into a corner one way or the other,

3476
05:06:41,840 --> 05:06:50,080
and that's a concern to me. So councilor Lewis. Thank you, Mayor President. I'd like to ask Mr.

3477
05:06:50,080 --> 05:06:56,080
Tipon to just comment up and just follow up. Maybe we respond to song a lot of time for the

3478
05:06:56,960 --> 05:07:06,560
chief administration, and if you would address just ideal staffing on on on rescues also like you

3479
05:07:06,560 --> 05:07:13,600
to address, you know, how we how we increase our firefighters and medics and how we train them. I think

3480
05:07:13,600 --> 05:07:21,040
you guys have some pretty incredible ideas on that, as well as increasing our response times without

3481
05:07:21,120 --> 05:07:25,920
the looting our service on the rescue.

3482
05:07:25,920 --> 05:07:30,480
Madam Vice President, Councilor Lewis, thank you for the opportunity.

3483
05:07:30,480 --> 05:07:37,280
It's one of address a couple things. Based off of what the director said, we currently have a policy

3484
05:07:37,280 --> 05:07:42,080
in place for agencies and seek of answers. We have agencies and circumstances with our engines,

3485
05:07:42,080 --> 05:07:45,840
which is why you sometimes get phone calls from me saying, you have a engine running with

3486
05:07:46,080 --> 05:07:52,720
people on your district today. That is why we have that policy. The policy that refers to

3487
05:07:52,720 --> 05:08:02,160
rescues also has an avenue to staff it, typically. In the policy is referred, or preferred staffing

3488
05:08:02,160 --> 05:08:08,320
on the rescue medics units is two paramedics, non-perferred staffing on the medics rescue units is one

3489
05:08:08,320 --> 05:08:13,280
paramedics. In the same policy defines every single station besides two and three,

3490
05:08:14,080 --> 05:08:19,360
the full staffing is two paramedics. That's how we are operating right now with a policy in place

3491
05:08:20,080 --> 05:08:25,440
for the circumstances when we can't fill it. We do identify that it is a priority to fill those

3492
05:08:25,440 --> 05:08:34,640
paramedic rescues with paramedics first. We have a typical apparatus staffing policy. We have an over-time

3493
05:08:34,640 --> 05:08:41,360
field policy that gives priority to those paramedics before we fill it, typically. We do everything

3494
05:08:41,440 --> 05:08:47,120
that we can to fill those rescues with paramedics right now. This will change nothing. This

3495
05:08:47,120 --> 05:08:56,480
resolution has an agency policy in place for it. A couple of things also I want to address the transport

3496
05:08:56,480 --> 05:09:03,760
and I respect the heck out of I think she's great. She brought up a great point that a lot of this

3497
05:09:03,760 --> 05:09:10,320
change has to do with the transport and we're transporting a lot more. That has to do with AES and they're

3498
05:09:10,320 --> 05:09:16,320
staffing and they are what we call critically staff more times than not and when they're clinically

3499
05:09:16,320 --> 05:09:22,400
staff we transport. So she's making a change sorry the directors making a change based off of a private

3500
05:09:22,400 --> 05:09:29,520
company's inability to provide services and we're going to do our services because of that. I'm not

3501
05:09:29,520 --> 05:09:38,080
okay with that. My firefighters are not okay with that. She also referenced the job sharing.

3502
05:09:38,800 --> 05:09:44,560
That was the intention of the contracts to be able to pay paramedics wherever they're at.

3503
05:09:45,200 --> 05:09:50,080
On whatever truck they're at. We can have a paramedics firefighter be a career firefighter and enjoy a

3504
05:09:50,080 --> 05:09:56,240
life riding on agencies as ladders and responding as a paramedic and get paid that 50% starting to life first.

3505
05:09:57,440 --> 05:10:02,000
That's going to attract more paramedics in the long run and that's the big thing here and I'm glad

3506
05:10:02,000 --> 05:10:08,960
this is brought big brought up because I hope that this translates into budget priorities for more staffing.

3507
05:10:08,960 --> 05:10:14,640
Because that's how your constituents become more safer, become safer, more stations and thank you to

3508
05:10:14,640 --> 05:10:21,280
Councillor PANIA for station 23 and all of your support additional stations and more firefighters. That's

3509
05:10:21,280 --> 05:10:26,240
what's going to get you to make your constituents safer. More paramedics, more intermediates which is the bridge.

3510
05:10:27,120 --> 05:10:31,920
We also included in this contract 5% for intermediates. That's the bridge. We can pay those

3511
05:10:31,920 --> 05:10:37,280
paramedics and intermediate firefighters on whatever truck they're at. They can job share. Also the

3512
05:10:37,280 --> 05:10:43,680
paramedic captains are in July 1st. That is a way off of the wrestling and the advanced

3513
05:10:43,680 --> 05:10:52,480
live support EMS model. We can do that. We were doing that in some of the stations that we already had.

3514
05:10:52,480 --> 05:10:58,560
We had a station station 1 that had 4 paramedics there. We had a paramedic captain that that fostered an

3515
05:10:58,560 --> 05:11:05,440
environment of job sharing and rotating. We were doing the work. We were getting the momentum and then came

3516
05:11:06,240 --> 05:11:12,640
20 stations are going to get split and morale went into the tank and now we're back to square one. So what we

3517
05:11:12,640 --> 05:11:18,640
ask of you tonight is to preserve this model so we can still do the good work, get the momentum, get more

3518
05:11:18,640 --> 05:11:25,440
paramedics and expand ALS the right way. I think that was the three things I wanted to talk about in

3519
05:11:25,440 --> 05:11:33,040
present. Would you talk just briefly about getting more firefighters through the training,

3520
05:11:33,040 --> 05:11:37,760
through medic training, how do we increase our capacity to be able to do that? Absolutely. So thank you

3521
05:11:37,760 --> 05:11:43,520
for the question. I'm at a present council Lewis. Right now we have a couple of different avenues to

3522
05:11:43,520 --> 05:11:55,760
train paramedics through UNN through CNM through Santa Fe. We are working with the joint organization

3523
05:11:55,760 --> 05:12:02,800
on education to provide more opportunities for EMS advancement and we promote that. So you know when the

3524
05:12:02,800 --> 05:12:09,920
question was asked by Councilor Fidelcorn about the culture. I think that was a little

3525
05:12:10,560 --> 05:12:16,400
disservice to all of the things that we've done in our department to mitigate that and my 21 years.

3526
05:12:16,400 --> 05:12:22,400
We don't look, we haven't, we haven't, I haven't heard somebody call somebody a paramedic on a nurse in 15

3527
05:12:22,400 --> 05:12:31,360
plus years. We are doing the work to bridge the gap and to release the wedge that has historically

3528
05:12:31,360 --> 05:12:36,720
culturally in place and in the far surface between paramedic and suppression. We're doing that with

3529
05:12:36,720 --> 05:12:44,720
the things that are working with the Joe provide more opportunities by working with UNN to get our

3530
05:12:44,720 --> 05:12:53,280
satellite program back and we're pretty close. I'm not a purely aware of those negotiations but from

3531
05:12:53,280 --> 05:12:58,240
what I've heard, we are closer to getting our satellite backs where we can have these classes with our

3532
05:12:58,240 --> 05:13:06,400
instructors, UNN's curriculum and we can invite and foster more recruitment to those classes. So we're

3533
05:13:06,400 --> 05:13:11,280
doing lots of things to promote the larger conversation, to get more paramedic in the long run,

3534
05:13:11,280 --> 05:13:16,400
more enemies in the long run, higher service delivery, but we want to maintain our cattle act, we want

3535
05:13:16,400 --> 05:13:21,520
to maintain that service delivery that we think we are providing. The amount of present and thank you, Mr.

3536
05:13:21,520 --> 05:13:25,920
Timberland. I just want to give another opportunity a little bit of a miss long or if anybody else would

3537
05:13:25,920 --> 05:13:30,080
like to say a few other were just in response to all the discussion tonight. Not that's okay.

3538
05:13:30,960 --> 05:13:36,640
Thank you. Real quick, Councillor Lewis. I do have a question based off of one of the comments.

3539
05:13:36,640 --> 05:13:44,240
You just said, can you? So we just heard a little bit ago that this, we have 22 states. 22 stations,

3540
05:13:44,240 --> 05:13:52,080
two of which are operating on this single model, four are going to come online. So can you explain

3541
05:13:52,080 --> 05:13:57,120
President Timberman how you see it that 20 stations are going to be split?

3542
05:13:58,320 --> 05:14:02,400
How I see it that 20 stations? I mean, because you just said that we're going to now split all the

3543
05:14:02,400 --> 05:14:09,760
20 stations or 20 stations is what you said. I mean, the chief said not all stations are going to be split.

3544
05:14:10,800 --> 05:14:16,720
Her plan is to split four more stations for a total of six, but then you said all of them are going to

3545
05:14:16,720 --> 05:14:21,520
be split. So I'm curious. But where is the where's the disconnect between those two sides? Because they're

3546
05:14:21,600 --> 05:14:27,520
very different. Madam President, appreciate it. The original plan was to split all 20

3547
05:14:27,520 --> 05:14:32,960
rescues. The current plan is to split four plus the two that are involved in the product currently.

3548
05:14:32,960 --> 05:14:38,560
So I think that's what I was revered to. So we would have six ends. So you're under the impression that

3549
05:14:38,560 --> 05:14:44,480
with this current planned model, it would be six stations of the current 22 that would go to this,

3550
05:14:44,480 --> 05:14:49,680
not all of them. Okay. Thank you. You have any more questions? Madam President,

3551
05:14:50,160 --> 05:14:55,840
and again, I think it's clear though that the original plan was 20 all stations, right? And so that's

3552
05:14:55,840 --> 05:15:00,240
I mean, it's clear that the administration's moving that direction and...

3553
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:07,000
I think those are some great questions. Madam President, I think Councillor Bokkin, I would close unless there's any others.

3554
05:15:07,000 --> 05:15:13,000
There is actually we still have Councillor Rogers and then Councillor Bokkin.

3555
05:15:13,000 --> 05:15:19,000
Thank you, Madam President. I just want to turn my paper and found my other question. So I just wanted to ask Chief.

3556
05:15:19,000 --> 05:15:26,000
For your ECMO, are you planning to put the split up ECMO to not have two paramedics running ECMO?

3557
05:15:26,000 --> 05:15:30,000
Can you explain what ECMO is for the folks who may not know?

3558
05:15:30,000 --> 05:15:39,000
Madam President Councillor Rogers, we haven't had an ECMO program then.

3559
05:15:39,000 --> 05:15:50,000
Right before COVID, from around 2019, it is the program, it's not staffed.

3560
05:15:50,000 --> 05:16:00,000
For ECMO, the firefighters that work at the station are able to get discharged and take ECMO.

3561
05:16:00,000 --> 05:16:08,000
Thank you. But my question is, is that going to be two medics still running ECMO? If you make this change, can you explain what ECMO is?

3562
05:16:08,000 --> 05:16:11,000
So people understand the severity or doctor, please.

3563
05:16:11,000 --> 05:16:19,000
Madam President, I was at UNM when we were rolling it out in AFR, even in hospital and so this is concerning to me if we are going to split up the ECMO trip.

3564
05:16:19,000 --> 05:16:30,000
Madam President, Councillor, thank you. So ECMO is basically the first in the nation where the standard of care in the hospital and there's a cardiac arrest.

3565
05:16:30,000 --> 05:16:41,000
It's a machine that can basically take over the heart and lung functions in the body, so it pumps for the heart and it reads for the lungs and a patient who can't do that for themselves.

3566
05:16:41,000 --> 05:16:50,000
Normally, that happens in the hospital, in Albuquerque, for certain very select few patients that need the right criteria, we can do that in the field.

3567
05:16:50,000 --> 05:17:03,000
But that is a very complex process that involves literally bringing ICU doctors to the CMMS physicians as well as the core response unit from AFR.

3568
05:17:04,000 --> 05:17:10,000
What we've done because it is at station three, we've trained everybody in that station to be able to help with that.

3569
05:17:10,000 --> 05:17:13,000
So it doesn't matter the level of licensure there.

3570
05:17:13,000 --> 05:17:19,000
They're all trained to be able to assist the ICU doctors as they're doing that procedure.

3571
05:17:19,000 --> 05:17:23,000
Thank you, and then Dr. Perry, happy to stay up if you like you.

3572
05:17:23,000 --> 05:17:32,000
You made a statement that I thought was shocking, especially working at UNM, our research hospital that you have not heard of research that shows two medics on a rig is better.

3573
05:17:32,000 --> 05:17:39,000
And I just want to I luckily I and I just want to point out we have two on over 200 people watching online right now.

3574
05:17:39,000 --> 05:17:48,000
My 17 year old was like, man, I've never seen this many people watching an issue, so that shows how many people are really invested in this topic.

3575
05:17:48,000 --> 05:17:56,000
And so my nurse researcher friends, let me 10 research studies from 2010 to 2022.

3576
05:17:56,000 --> 05:18:07,000
All of which say survival rates are improved when two paramedics are pressed on a scene, particularly like we talked about for advanced interventions.

3577
05:18:07,000 --> 05:18:12,000
But they talked about advanced airway management, hemorrhage control, medication interventions.

3578
05:18:12,000 --> 05:18:18,000
There are better survival rates when managed by two paramedics instead of a paramedic EMT team.

3579
05:18:18,000 --> 05:18:22,000
There is research upon research, upon research that shows that.

3580
05:18:22,000 --> 05:18:30,000
So I just wanted to point that out for the public, no no question, but there is lots of data to show that.

3581
05:18:30,000 --> 05:18:44,000
And then chief, what you said about when asked about how you made the decision, which stations to convert to this, you said it's high to cutie calls and call volume generally.

3582
05:18:44,000 --> 05:18:53,000
And what I'm reading here, that's the wrong place to make these changes, you want to do it at stations that don't take the acute high acuity calls.

3583
05:18:53,000 --> 05:19:00,000
If you're going to make this change rather than, or which probably are in my district, right?

3584
05:19:00,000 --> 05:19:08,000
I also have just had in October, I had to run a code as an EMT basic, okay by myself.

3585
05:19:08,000 --> 05:19:14,000
I didn't have adequate equipment, I didn't have adequate personnel to help me.

3586
05:19:15,000 --> 05:19:26,000
And I just personally, like I can imagine, have you cannot guarantee based on all of the variables in the field that they'll never be a call with only one medic if we make this change.

3587
05:19:26,000 --> 05:19:35,000
And for me, that's too, too much when it comes to patient care to play with, especially since we've been doing this for 40 years.

3588
05:19:35,000 --> 05:19:45,000
So, no question there, just the statement that I don't think we should be prioritizing which stations by high acuity calls and call volume.

3589
05:19:45,000 --> 05:19:47,000
It should be the opposite.

3590
05:19:47,000 --> 05:19:57,000
And to counselor opinion's point, what I heard from the fire brightest in an I'm going to say exactly what they said, this is how a lot of them felt.

3591
05:19:58,000 --> 05:20:03,000
We have mom and dad fighting, right, over an issue and we're in the middle.

3592
05:20:03,000 --> 05:20:06,000
That's literally what I heard today.

3593
05:20:06,000 --> 05:20:20,000
The fact that we've publicized this, gone on the media train, like it puts our firefighters in the middle of an issue that is seriously affecting them and their work and our communities outcomes.

3594
05:20:20,000 --> 05:20:24,000
I just wanted to point out the research that shows that it is better.

3595
05:20:24,000 --> 05:20:28,000
And we've already heard the opinion from Dr. Purit about her opinion.

3596
05:20:28,000 --> 05:20:30,000
But I just wanted to go back to the research.

3597
05:20:30,000 --> 05:20:38,000
When I worked at the hospital in nursing excellence, one of the biggest changes I had to make in the process was concentration for pediatrics.

3598
05:20:38,000 --> 05:20:46,000
I could not go to leadership with any any solutions without it being evidence based and having the research to show why we're making the change.

3599
05:20:46,000 --> 05:20:48,000
And I just want to see the same here.

3600
05:20:48,000 --> 05:20:49,000
Thank you.

3601
05:20:49,000 --> 05:20:54,000
Okay, last comment tonight and then we're going to Councilor Bakker to close and I'm not making another exception.

3602
05:20:54,000 --> 05:20:59,000
Councilor Champagne Madam President, thank you for the one exception tonight.

3603
05:20:59,000 --> 05:21:09,000
Sitting here and listening to a lot of things from both this side and and the other I reminisce back to my former career.

3604
05:21:09,000 --> 05:21:16,000
And and how they said that we're trained independently and to survive independently and we are but yet.

3605
05:21:16,000 --> 05:21:28,000
As an officer you're dispatched with the felt with your with your fellow officer not only for safety reasons for yourself but safety reasons for the call you're going to.

3606
05:21:28,000 --> 05:21:33,000
So yes, I'm independently trained to act on my own but.

3607
05:21:33,000 --> 05:21:42,000
We don't do that we have partners and in this day and age and the way things are going and this is why I thank you for the exception is that.

3608
05:21:42,000 --> 05:21:52,000
I worry if you put in one single person with the way things are going and you have first responders being sentenced to prison suit personally.

3609
05:21:52,000 --> 05:22:01,000
Because they've had to make decisions on their own that here's a paramedic that's going to be in issuing drugs.

3610
05:22:01,000 --> 05:22:19,000
And caught up in a situation that they're watching not only the situation but the the person the other backup that's there that's not on the same level that if a mistake's made they're hung out to dry and and.

3611
05:22:19,000 --> 05:22:26,000
In this day and age it's going to happen way too often and I'm scared of that so I thank you that's.

3612
05:22:26,000 --> 05:22:29,000
You know how they say never seen ever.

3613
05:22:29,000 --> 05:22:38,000
Council Rogers would you like to move amendment number one yes man and president my apologies I have amendment number one that is in your iPad.

3614
05:22:38,000 --> 05:22:49,000
And again this amendment will put it on the screen is just adding a whereas I didn't feel comfortable adding this to the actual body of the resolution because it's not just dependent on us.

3615
05:22:49,000 --> 05:22:59,000
So this says we're on page one line 25 insert the following whereas we're as to ensure full staffing of the two paramedic rescue apparatus system.

3616
05:22:59,000 --> 05:23:07,000
The city must take proactive steps to and train its own paramedics by working with our education partners to bring back our own training program.

3617
05:23:07,000 --> 05:23:19,000
This gets to the root of the issue we need to be able to be nimble and not have to send our firefighters to Santa Fe for instance to get training that we could do here.

3618
05:23:19,000 --> 05:23:33,000
So I'm just adding is on a whereas because for me I want to get to the root of the issue and the root of the issues we need to be nimble on getting and growing our own metrics and so I will make a motion to move amendment number one.

3619
05:23:33,000 --> 05:23:38,000
There's a motion there's a second from Madame vice president.

3620
05:23:38,000 --> 05:23:43,000
Edmund madam CIO do you have a opinion madam president.

3621
05:23:43,000 --> 05:23:44,000
Thank you Ed like chief.

3622
05:23:44,000 --> 05:23:48,000
How do you to speak to the impact of that specifically.

3623
05:23:48,000 --> 05:23:50,000
Madam president.

3624
05:23:50,000 --> 05:24:01,000
I don't have most of the control over adding our paramedic program back.

3625
05:24:01,000 --> 05:24:14,000
This has been something that we've been actively working on and there is I don't think anybody wants to hear 30 more minutes about how difficult it is to get it back.

3626
05:24:14,000 --> 05:24:23,000
That's why it was such a proponent of not losing it when we dropped it because I knew it was not going to come back to us the way that it currently was.

3627
05:24:23,000 --> 05:24:29,000
We were grandfathered in to a program that no longer exists through the accreditation process.

3628
05:24:29,000 --> 05:24:37,000
It looks very different and I am really holding to our educational institutions to get that program back.

3629
05:24:37,000 --> 05:24:50,000
So it has been a top priority for us to try to expand those options, but it's not something that in a resolution that I have the majority of the control over.

3630
05:24:50,000 --> 05:24:57,000
Thank you madam president that's exactly why I put in as a whereas because like we can't hold ourselves to something that we don't have sole control over.

3631
05:24:57,000 --> 05:25:06,000
But I have faith with Dr. Single coming from CNN and her connections there to all of the things our medical director being at UNM.

3632
05:25:06,000 --> 05:25:19,000
You I've already heard that you're already working on trying to figure out how to make this happen and so I just felt it important to put it in there that we would like this to happen because we know that that's the solution to what we're talking about today.

3633
05:25:19,000 --> 05:25:29,000
And you already agreed to that so I don't think it's a problem adding it as a whereas that was strategic because I know working in the field you we are not solely responsible for that.

3634
05:25:29,000 --> 05:25:32,000
I didn't want to put all that on YouTube. Thank you.

3635
05:25:32,000 --> 05:25:37,000
Council there's any other questions or comments about amendment number one.

3636
05:25:38,000 --> 05:25:47,000
Council I just since we've had a lot of discussion with everybody to nice will make sure any issues with this amendment.

3637
05:25:47,000 --> 05:25:53,000
Okay. Okay. So the motion is for amendment number one to R122.

3638
05:25:53,000 --> 05:25:57,000
Councilors all those in favor please raise your hand and say yes.

3639
05:25:58,000 --> 05:26:00,000
Those opposed.

3640
05:26:00,000 --> 05:26:03,000
That passes on the need to one.

3641
05:26:03,000 --> 05:26:07,000
Councilor Baca for the close on R122 as amended.

3642
05:26:07,000 --> 05:26:12,000
Thank you madam president just want to start by saying thank you chief.

3643
05:26:12,000 --> 05:26:19,000
If you find a meal all the deputy chiefs and all the firefighters out there this is clearly an important issue.

3644
05:26:19,000 --> 05:26:21,000
We will not a small issue.

3645
05:26:21,000 --> 05:26:24,000
So I want to thank everybody for their time and energy.

3646
05:26:24,000 --> 05:26:27,000
You know I've heard the chief tonight say it's ideal to have two paramedics.

3647
05:26:27,000 --> 05:26:38,000
Dr. Pruits state that we we can provide solid service with one but we've been fortunate to have had the luxury of two for all these decades again implying to is the best.

3648
05:26:38,000 --> 05:26:40,000
So clearly we've had the best for decades.

3649
05:26:40,000 --> 05:26:48,000
So given that this is going to be implemented in a week and there are no negotiations decision on changing to new models been made.

3650
05:26:48,000 --> 05:26:56,000
A decision that was discussed during that was not discussed during the previous negotiations per both representatives tonight.

3651
05:26:56,000 --> 05:27:03,000
Ideally more negotiations could occur but I imagine decision for implementing the new model would need to be postponed.

3652
05:27:04,000 --> 05:27:17,000
So now I just want to be clear on one statement that politicians are making decisions here clearly there's precedence is this has an amendment to an existing resolution we've had multiple opinions on that tonight.

3653
05:27:17,000 --> 05:27:23,000
More than that you know none of us are an expert on anything on all issues nobody is an expert on all issues.

3654
05:27:24,000 --> 05:27:29,000
We all look to experts tonight we've listened quite a few experts right here.

3655
05:27:29,000 --> 05:27:38,000
I've seen the firefighters nod their heads or not them in opposition to the chief oftentimes in the in the in the support of it.

3656
05:27:38,000 --> 05:27:43,000
So so this isn't something that you know we make these decisions for the governing body.

3657
05:27:43,000 --> 05:27:52,000
And and the decision makers are right or I'm sorry the experts are right there so it's not it's not like a politician is making this decision I want to clear about that to folks.

3658
05:27:53,000 --> 05:27:58,000
Yeah, this is a tough one is outside of negotiation starting again.

3659
05:27:58,000 --> 05:28:04,000
I don't see how I don't sit with a men and women who've been doing this boots on the ground for decades.

3660
05:28:04,000 --> 05:28:06,000
All that said.

3661
05:28:06,000 --> 05:28:07,000
Just work.

3662
05:28:07,000 --> 05:28:08,000
Council of the West.

3663
05:28:08,000 --> 05:28:21,000
Madam President you know we all agree with ALS expansion and court you in every way you know chief on helping with that I mean just I think just just not everybody agrees on on delusion you know I mean deluding.

3664
05:28:21,000 --> 05:28:36,000
Our rescue is in that way and so certainly want to help with expansion and I think that happens through you know higher and more firefighters training more medical and continuing to really expand our our stations you know in the city that's continuing to grow.

3665
05:28:36,000 --> 05:28:37,000
Fire just for thinking.

3666
05:28:37,000 --> 05:28:44,760
Councilors, we are on a motion for a due pass of R122 as amended, all those in favour

3667
05:28:44,760 --> 05:28:52,680
raise your hand and say yes. Yes. All those opposed? That passes on a 72 vote. We're moving

3668
05:28:52,680 --> 05:29:09,680
on to agenda item e. Councilor Bocca and Sanchez are 124. Thank you, Madam President. P7, adopting a proposition

3669
05:29:09,680 --> 05:29:16,280
be sent to the voters. Is that where we're not? Sorry. This is amending the adopted capital

3670
05:29:16,280 --> 05:29:19,680
implementation program of the city of Albuquerque by supplementing current appropriation.

3671
05:29:19,680 --> 05:29:25,680
Thank you, Madam President. That last one took a long time. R124, many of the adopted capital

3672
05:29:25,680 --> 05:29:30,680
implementation program of the city of Albuquerque by supplementing current appropriations.

3673
05:29:30,680 --> 05:29:37,680
This is ongoing discussions with all of us. The whole rail trail thing, which I thought went way out of

3674
05:29:37,680 --> 05:29:44,680
proportion and could be solved just by sitting down and talking. This is the solution to that. I urge your

3675
05:29:44,680 --> 05:29:52,680
support. Council before you urge us a close. Can we get a motion? Thank you. There's a motion in a second.

3676
05:29:52,680 --> 05:29:58,680
We're going to go with this second from Councillor Lewis or Sanchez. Councilors, any questions or comments?

3677
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:10,000
Someone actually stay on. Mr. Cornelius, if you'll go to the public commenter. Thank you, Madam President. I'm going to call Mark by loan to speak.

3678
05:30:20,000 --> 05:30:27,000
Hello, council. Tough act to follow up. Got to be honest. But despite that, I'm still here.

3679
05:30:27,000 --> 05:30:37,000
I just want to begin by quickly noting that a penny saved is a penny earned, and even if half a million dollars is arounding error in some places, which is crazy.

3680
05:30:37,000 --> 05:30:47,000
Those dollars still represent tangible infrastructure as evidenced by the fact that $500,000 was then moved to a different project.

3681
05:30:47,000 --> 05:31:02,000
I also just want to mention that if we continue moving funds kind of willy-nilly in these kind of ways, it just kind of makes this city seem unserious about funding projects that are in motion, and just completing those projects.

3682
05:31:02,000 --> 05:31:05,000
It's I think it's really important that we complete the projects that we start.

3683
05:31:06,000 --> 05:31:18,000
However, like I said before, I'm just glad that the pennies are being put back, whether it be through this legislation through the mayor's veto, however it happens, I'm just glad it's all coming back.

3684
05:31:18,000 --> 05:31:23,000
So appreciate the counselors for putting the money back. Thank you.

3685
05:31:23,000 --> 05:31:27,000
Madam President, that was our loan speaker. Thank you.

3686
05:31:27,000 --> 05:31:31,000
Councilors, any other questions or comments?

3687
05:31:31,000 --> 05:31:36,000
All right, Councillor Boko or Sanchez to close.

3688
05:31:36,000 --> 05:31:42,000
All right, Councillors, the motion is for a due pass of R124. All those in favor, raise your hand and say yes.

3689
05:31:42,000 --> 05:31:46,000
Yes. Anyone opposed? That passes unanimously.

3690
05:31:46,000 --> 05:31:50,000
We're now moving on to administration, question and answer period.

3691
05:31:50,000 --> 05:31:56,000
Councilors, any questions for the administration?

3692
05:31:56,000 --> 05:32:05,000
See how effective this is? All done. So in addition to that, I forgot to thank everybody that stayed.

3693
05:32:05,000 --> 05:32:13,000
I think that that was important. So even though they already left, that was a strong dialogue, and I want to say thank you to all of those who participated.

3694
05:32:13,000 --> 05:32:20,000
The Councillors are there being no further business. This city council meeting is adjourned.