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>>coun. Pe}a: welcome, everyone.

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Today is AUGUST 3rd, 2026.

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The 15th meeting of the 27th

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council will come to order.

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All councilors are present this

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evening with councilor lewis

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Next we're on a moment of

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>> I pledge allegiance to the

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flag of the united states of

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america, and to the republic for

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which it stands, one nation

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under GOD, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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>>coun. Pe}a: welcome back,

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everyone.

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Vice PRESIDENT.

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>>coun. Champine: thank you,

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MADAM PRESIDENT.

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warning to anyone causing this

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disruption, that individual will

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PRESIDENT MAY recess until order

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>>coun. Grout: thank you, MR.

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ms. Keefe, in the past several

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months the council, through our

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counsel, have reached out to the

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city attorney's office for

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updates in different matters

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which this council has been

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delayed for months, and when our

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counsel reached out again you

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should reach out to me directly.

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This isn't really how we've done

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Council has staff that is used

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to act on our behalf and help us

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reaches out we expect the city

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attorney understands this

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request is coming from us and

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professionally and in a timely

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Why is there pushback to

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councillor questions about

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litigation, we deserve to know

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how the cases are proceeding.

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>> council PRESIDENT, councilor

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grout, in the past up until this

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year, when councilors had

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questions they have approached

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I have concerns about this

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I do think it is better if I am

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able to engage with councilors

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and legal I asked to set up

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for -- sometime ago, I don't

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remember exactly how long, those

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i think there's a perception,

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that's not at my request.

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I would be happy to continue

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I would very much want to

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continue communications with

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council and provide updates.

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I was hoping to provide more of

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a written update during the

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I do apologize for the delay.

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It is my intent to continue

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>>coun. Grout: okay.

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How do you process requests for

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information from the council or

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>> so, again, in the four and a

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half years I've been here, we

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get calls for councilors to work

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directly to me, I determine

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whether I'm going to respond or

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someone on my staff respond and

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>>coun. Grout: do you have -- I

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think we need a real clear path

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forward and we need to be very

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timely.

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Can we set up a process so that

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>> council PRESIDENT, councilor

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grout, that's exactly what I'd

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I think there needs to be a

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clear process.

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>>coun. Grout: okay.

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>>coun. Champine: councilor

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>>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

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This is for director sanchez.

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Thank you, director.

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We had a lot of folks calling

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and emailing about food prices

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going up at the senior have.

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talked about the a la cart items

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were going to be taken off.

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I thought we covered no more

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I know it's not just district

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two hearing this.

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>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

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baca thank you for the

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program in general.

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program has not been adjusted in

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the forefront for the seniors.

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how it operated and functioned

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with a la carte items that we

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low as a dollar to our most

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costly specialty meals of huevo

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rancheros of $5 twice a week.

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department is subsidizing a

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third of the cost for every meal

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ny our meals are

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most affordable anywhere.

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give you an update working on a

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qualifying program for the

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seniors that MAY truly be in

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need and have financial

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hardship.

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subsidize that meal for them.

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on the program and most recently

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on friday from the feedback we

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learned over the last three

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weeks, we did send out a revised

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menu that received very positive

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>>coun. Baca: anybody else?

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Thank you.

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>>coun. Champine: councilor

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>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MR.

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Vice PRESIDENT.

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My questions are for several

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I would love for all of you to

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come up at the same time.

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Director of solid waste, MR.

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Gallegos.

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Transit, keener.

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Code enforcement, either alan

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varela or kiezner.

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Gsb, MR. Duran.

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Parks and rec, MR. Simon.

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I have several questions.

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I want to do an exploration of

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who is responsible for what in

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our community when it comes to

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cleanliness and litter.

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So, I will ask MR. Cornelius to

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put up some pictures for me.

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This is because I've been

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studying our litter ordinance.

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And I often reach out to

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different departments based on

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things that need to be cleaned

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in my district.

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I just want to run through some

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picture and see who is

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responsible for this in our

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neighborhood.

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Who would be responsible for --

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what would we do about that?

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>> actually, solid waste would

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pick that up.

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If it was a large item pick up.

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>>coun. Rogers: thank you,

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community members call 311 if

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they see that and you go and

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pick up that mattress?

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>> correct.

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>>coun. Rogers: is there a

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process for community members to

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do that ahead of time before

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they -- this is also education

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for the community, not just us

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to learn about how we do this.

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Bear with me, folks, while we go

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through the fun exercise today.

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>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

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rogers, they call 311 the night

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before the pickup to let us know

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they have a large item pickup.

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>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MR.

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Gallegos.

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This is louisiana going towards

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gibson.

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We have installed barricades for

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bike lanes, but they're trashed,

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as you can see.

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Who would pick that trash up and

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fix that?

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Transit.

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>> MADAM Chair, councilor

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rogers, that's going to be

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dmd.

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>>coun. Rogers: this is exactly

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what I was hoping for.

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>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

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rogers, yes.

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That would be -- if any

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constituent has a concern about

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things that are improperly

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barricaded, I recommend 311 and

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we'll send someone out

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immediately.

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As far as the repairs that are

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needed to the bicycle

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infrastructure, that would also

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be my department.

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That's my traffic engineering

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division.

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Again, 311 is the fastest way to

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get to it.

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Unfortunately, as councilor

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fiebelkorn knows, the faster we

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put up bike infrastructure the

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faster drivers hit it.

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You have to bear with us.

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We're actually looking right now

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at some more albuquerque driver

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safe bicycle infrastructure to

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find out what works here.

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Because sometimes things that

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work in other cities don't work

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here.

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We're working on standard

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specifications.

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Yes, tell us at 311 and we'll

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send folks out.

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Again, the barricading in

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particular we try to get folk

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outz same day.

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>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

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This requires someone to let us

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know it's in this condition.

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I would say from looking at this

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condition it hopefully saved a

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biker.

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To your point, look for

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something that's a little more

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durable so your department isn't

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working

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ing

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ing running around fixing

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this.

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For my district, this adds to

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the disrepair that quite frankly

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I am sick of living in.

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Straight up.

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That's why we're going through

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this exercise today.

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Next picture, MR. Cornelius.

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How about this?

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Trash day, who is in charge of

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this after tracks -- trash

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pickup?

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>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

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rogers, this came from an

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individual's trash can?

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>>coun. Rogers: yes.

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After trash day.

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I watched -- I was out in my

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hood just seeing how it goes.

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I'm always out in my hood.

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And saw them dump it, but there

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was some stuff left over that

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accidently fell out.

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In this case, who fixes that?

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>> actually, we rely on the

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residents to pick up some of the

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trash that's blown out of the

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trash can.

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>>coun. Rogers: oh, got it.

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Public, if it happens that your

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trash bin, it's your

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responsibility.

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>> our drivers are only allowed

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to pick up the trash cans from

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the truck.

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>>coun. Rogers: they're not

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getting out of the car and

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sweeping this up.

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Okay.

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That helps a lot.

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Next picture, MR. Cornelius.

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What about this one?

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This is between a parking lot

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and pizza hut on central and

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wyoming that is now closed.

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Who is responsible for that?

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>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

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rogers, that is code

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enforcement's response.

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For those ones dealing with --

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we'd have to annotate that.

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That would fall under pizza

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hut's responsibility.

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>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

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PRESIDENT.

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People have gone because it's

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closed.

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In that case, you tell them and

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leave it like that until they

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come and do it?

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>> councilor rogers, there's a

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process that we hold the

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property owners accountable.

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we follow due process in order

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to do it.

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If the property owner is

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unwilling or unenable to do it,

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there's other measures we employ

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to get the items cleaned up.

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>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

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PRESIDENT we would leave it like

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this while you go through your

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six to year process?

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Who cleans it in the meantime?

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>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

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rogers, for that one?

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>>coun. Rogers: yeah.

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>> the due process entails, it's

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a two-week notification.

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We allow the property owner time

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to make corrections before we go

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in and institute anything toward

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a lien on the property for

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services rendered.

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>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

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PRESIDENT.

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You would hire someone to clean

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it up or would you call solid

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waste and we charge them?

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How does that work?

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>> councilor rogers, for that

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for the cleaning, we initiate

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procedures through solid waste

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through the clean.

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The solid waste will initiate

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the clean and get it scheduled

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for the cleanup.

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And we'll bill the property

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owners for the services

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rendered.

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>>coun. Rogers: how long does

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that take, you think?

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>> that one --

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>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

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rogers, we don't have a backlog

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on the cleaning.

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We try to get to them within

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that week if we can.

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Most of the time, it might take

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another week.

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Because we have some scheduled

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out.

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>>coun. Rogers: okay.

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this is on the list, I hope.

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I have been calling about this

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one for quite sometime.

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>> I have to look at the

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records.

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I really couldn't tell you.

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>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

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Next picture, MR. Cornelius.

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I'm sorry, there's so many.

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I'm trying to stay under the ten

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minutes.

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But there's so much in my

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district that's in disrepair.

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I have so many questions.

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Next one, MR. Cornelius.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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This one.

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This is good.

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This one says, a litter crew is

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at work.

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I only see these trucks on the

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highway.

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Can you tell me if we have any

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trucks like this for the

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neighborhoods?

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>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

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rogers, yes.

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That is a highway truck.

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We do have crews that go through

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the major thoroughfares of the

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city only.

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Unless there's a community

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that's been employed by the

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planning department.

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>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

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How often do those general

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neighborhood litter crews --

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I've never seen one in district

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six in that truck.

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I put it out trash on monday and

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you get it.

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Is there a predictable schedule

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for that?

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>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

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rogers, it takes four to five

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weeks to cycle in their

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districts.

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We have districts through the

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medians to come back and touch

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another medians.

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>>coun. Rogers: that's just

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medians so not other parts of

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the neighborhood?

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>> correct.

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>>coun. Rogers: medians and

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street scapes.

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I'm working on litter ordinance.

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This is research.

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Your department is only median

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and street scapes.

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Thank you.

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MR. Whelan.

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>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

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rogers, that's part of our clean

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city's crew.

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But we also deploy up to eight

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trucks throughout districts,

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your district is almost every

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day, where they do go through

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the streets and pickup litter,

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remove feces.

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And if there's what we consider

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illegal dumping, where somebody

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had an encampment and left and

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leave all the trash behind --

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>>coun. Rogers: I see

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inencampment cleanup people,

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trust me.

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Sgli.

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>> they do cleanup of things

581
00:18:45,693 --> 00:18:47,693
left behind.

582
00:18:47,962 --> 00:18:50,365
I was in your district today,

583
00:18:50,365 --> 00:18:50,665
and I saw tennessee where people

584
00:18:50,665 --> 00:18:52,665
left.

585
00:18:53,501 --> 00:18:55,536
One of the trucks that usually

586
00:18:55,536 --> 00:18:57,638
does the cleanup was there and

587
00:18:57,638 --> 00:19:00,208
they stopped and picked it up.

588
00:19:00,208 --> 00:19:01,776
It was clean within that moment.

589
00:19:01,776 --> 00:19:02,410
Within an hour there could be

590
00:19:02,410 --> 00:19:03,111
more.

591
00:19:03,111 --> 00:19:05,511
>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

592
00:19:05,613 --> 00:19:05,913
There's one more video I want to

593
00:19:05,913 --> 00:19:07,913
show.

594
00:19:08,449 --> 00:19:11,449
This one is a doozy.

595
00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:12,587
I think it's the video of the

596
00:19:12,587 --> 00:19:14,587
shoes.

597
00:19:16,724 --> 00:19:18,159
My pet peeve is shoes on the

598
00:19:18,159 --> 00:19:20,159
power lines.

599
00:19:20,428 --> 00:19:21,962
I think I've interacted with

600
00:19:21,962 --> 00:19:22,330
every department except maybe

601
00:19:22,330 --> 00:19:24,330
transit.

602
00:19:24,599 --> 00:19:28,200
This one is more towards transit

603
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:28,936
and our construction site at the

604
00:19:28,936 --> 00:19:30,538
international district library.

605
00:19:30,538 --> 00:19:33,607
I think that's a mix between

606
00:19:33,607 --> 00:19:34,575
transit and parks, if I'm not

607
00:19:34,575 --> 00:19:36,575
mistaken.

608
00:19:36,777 --> 00:19:38,579
That one is -- that bus stop is

609
00:19:38,579 --> 00:19:39,480
always in disrepair.

610
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,315
I think I know who is

611
00:19:41,315 --> 00:19:41,615
responsible for the transit

612
00:19:41,615 --> 00:19:43,615
ones.

613
00:19:44,318 --> 00:19:46,120
When it comes to our

614
00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:49,120
construction site and the litter

615
00:19:50,424 --> 00:19:53,127
that's around that gate, who

616
00:19:53,127 --> 00:19:55,127
does that?

617
00:19:55,629 --> 00:19:56,897
General contractors?

618
00:19:56,897 --> 00:19:58,832
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

619
00:19:58,832 --> 00:19:59,400
rogers, are you referring to a

620
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,101
city project?

621
00:20:01,101 --> 00:20:01,635
>>coun. Rogers: that is a city

622
00:20:01,635 --> 00:20:03,203
project.

623
00:20:03,203 --> 00:20:05,603
The id library park.

624
00:20:05,906 --> 00:20:08,906
Next to the id library.

625
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,478
It's the fencing encompassing --

626
00:20:11,478 --> 00:20:12,880
sometimes inside the fencing and

627
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,181
outside the fencing.

628
00:20:14,181 --> 00:20:16,500
>> I think it's going to be the

629
00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:17,170
contractor that has the permit

630
00:20:17,170 --> 00:20:17,985
for that facility.

631
00:20:17,985 --> 00:20:20,985
>>coun. Rogers: if it's inside

632
00:20:22,550 --> 00:20:24,550
the gates?

633
00:20:24,910 --> 00:20:26,491
If it's outside had

634
00:20:30,964 --> 00:20:33,364
gates, who does that?

635
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,802
>> I guess we need more

636
00:20:35,802 --> 00:20:38,202
specifics on the locations.

637
00:20:38,272 --> 00:20:40,700
If it's out on the sidewalk into

638
00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:42,407
the street, we're reliable.

639
00:20:42,943 --> 00:20:44,311
At the same time, it's the

640
00:20:44,311 --> 00:20:44,678
contractor to address their

641
00:20:44,678 --> 00:20:45,479
location.

642
00:20:45,479 --> 00:20:45,979
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

643
00:20:45,979 --> 00:20:47,979
PRESIDENT.

644
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:53,253
For the last video, to drive

645
00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:53,620
home we need to work on litter

646
00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:55,620
ordinance.

647
00:20:57,391 --> 00:20:59,559
I am sick of living in filth in

648
00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:00,930
my neighborhood.

649
00:21:00,930 --> 00:21:02,930
I am done.

650
00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:07,670
i have to use my council set

651
00:21:07,670 --> 00:21:08,902
aside to pay a contractor, red

652
00:21:08,902 --> 00:21:12,502
shovel, to clean the safe route

653
00:21:13,306 --> 00:21:15,341
to school for wilson and woodier

654
00:21:15,341 --> 00:21:17,177
schools because we as a team

655
00:21:17,177 --> 00:21:17,877
haven't been able to get this

656
00:21:17,877 --> 00:21:19,877
together.

657
00:21:19,913 --> 00:21:21,314
I'll reach out to you with a

658
00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:22,582
draft of the ordinance with how

659
00:21:22,582 --> 00:21:24,851
to make this better.

660
00:21:24,851 --> 00:21:25,218
I am done living in filth in my

661
00:21:25,218 --> 00:21:26,854
district.

662
00:21:26,854 --> 00:21:27,187
It's not just unsheltered

663
00:21:27,187 --> 00:21:29,187
people.

664
00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:31,858
I watched people in benzs

665
00:21:31,858 --> 00:21:34,527
throwing out stuff from the car,

666
00:21:34,527 --> 00:21:35,462
I watched grandmas doing it, and

667
00:21:35,462 --> 00:21:37,462
kids doing it.

668
00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:39,399
I watched unsheltered do it.

669
00:21:39,399 --> 00:21:42,350
We don't have enough officers

670
00:21:42,350 --> 00:21:43,670
for 911 calls in my district.

671
00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:46,139
I know we're not proactively

672
00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:47,874
policing littering.

673
00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:49,609
I am over it.

674
00:21:49,609 --> 00:21:52,900
Roll that beautiful shoot

675
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:54,580
footage, garret, for me.

676
00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:55,848
I'll send it to you.

677
00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:57,417
It's beautiful.

678
00:21:57,417 --> 00:21:58,851
There's about 50 shoes on the

679
00:21:58,851 --> 00:22:00,851
power lines.

680
00:22:00,987 --> 00:22:03,456
I reached out to code

681
00:22:03,456 --> 00:22:04,524
enforcement, pnm, and reached

682
00:22:04,524 --> 00:22:05,591
out to everybody.

683
00:22:05,591 --> 00:22:06,793
This is an indicator.

684
00:22:06,793 --> 00:22:09,193
It's not a joke.

685
00:22:11,230 --> 00:22:13,320
These are indicators of people

686
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,200
being able to get drugs.

687
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,201
I want them down.

688
00:22:15,201 --> 00:22:16,335
Everywhere in my district.

689
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:18,710
I don't want to see them.

690
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:20,274
I want us to have a proactive

691
00:22:20,274 --> 00:22:21,907
way to get them down whether we

692
00:22:21,907 --> 00:22:23,809
have to partner with whoever

693
00:22:23,809 --> 00:22:26,209
line they belong to.

694
00:22:26,712 --> 00:22:27,313
We should figure this out as a

695
00:22:27,313 --> 00:22:29,215
city.

696
00:22:29,215 --> 00:22:30,716
I invite you to a meeting to

697
00:22:30,716 --> 00:22:33,386
discuss changes to the litter

698
00:22:33,386 --> 00:22:35,554
ordinance before I drop it so I

699
00:22:35,554 --> 00:22:36,822
we can work as a team to fix

700
00:22:36,822 --> 00:22:38,924
this once and for all.

701
00:22:38,924 --> 00:22:41,627
I'm done living in filth.

702
00:22:41,627 --> 00:22:42,294
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

703
00:22:42,294 --> 00:22:44,294
>>coun. Champine: councilor

704
00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:47,500
telles.

705
00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:48,601
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MR.

706
00:22:48,601 --> 00:22:50,601
Vice PRESIDENT.

707
00:22:51,337 --> 00:22:55,537
I have a few questions for the

708
00:22:55,908 --> 00:22:58,908
admin for director sandoval and

709
00:22:59,411 --> 00:22:59,678
I don't know if director mar

710
00:22:59,678 --> 00:23:00,446
teen

711
00:23:00,446 --> 00:23:02,446
teens is here

712
00:23:03,882 --> 00:23:04,149
director martinez is to here or

713
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:05,418
not.

714
00:23:05,418 --> 00:23:07,252
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

715
00:23:07,252 --> 00:23:08,154
telles, I didn't hear you.

716
00:23:08,154 --> 00:23:11,154
>>coun. Telles: are you filling

717
00:23:12,658 --> 00:23:15,580
in for director martinez?

718
00:23:15,940 --> 00:23:15,928
Cfo?

719
00:23:15,928 --> 00:23:17,928
I'm sorry.

720
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:23,300
Man, I need to clean my glasses.

721
00:23:23,468 --> 00:23:24,536
I'm sorry.

722
00:23:24,536 --> 00:23:26,536
6-year-old fingerprints all

723
00:23:34,846 --> 00:23:35,280
over.

724
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,615
Good evening.

725
00:23:36,615 --> 00:23:36,882
I have a couple questions for

726
00:23:36,882 --> 00:23:38,882
you.

727
00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:41,384
Thank you so much.

728
00:23:43,255 --> 00:23:47,626
I wanted to talk to you a little

729
00:23:47,626 --> 00:23:49,628
bit about the omb proposed rule

730
00:23:49,628 --> 00:23:52,597
overhaul of the uniform guidance

731
00:23:52,597 --> 00:23:53,899
at the federal level.

732
00:23:53,899 --> 00:23:56,568
For those individuals who might

733
00:23:56,568 --> 00:23:59,337
not know what's going on, the

734
00:23:59,337 --> 00:24:02,337
federal omb has proposed some

735
00:24:02,841 --> 00:24:05,176
rule changes to the uniform of

736
00:24:05,176 --> 00:24:05,577
guidance for federal award

737
00:24:05,577 --> 00:24:07,577
recipients.

738
00:24:09,114 --> 00:24:11,483
And in short, essentially, we're

739
00:24:11,483 --> 00:24:14,520
waiting for what the omb is

740
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,355
going to do with regards to our

741
00:24:17,355 --> 00:24:17,689
uniform guidance and federal

742
00:24:17,689 --> 00:24:19,689
grants.

743
00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:21,793
The guidance that's being

744
00:24:21,793 --> 00:24:23,295
proposed is -- would make the

745
00:24:23,295 --> 00:24:25,295
guidance finding.

746
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:28,630
It would add political

747
00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:30,868
pre-issuance review of grants.

748
00:24:30,868 --> 00:24:33,400
Expand agencies ability to

749
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,140
terminate awards at any time.

750
00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:36,975
this is at a very compressed

751
00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:38,610
time period.

752
00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:39,845
I think we were scrambling when

753
00:24:39,845 --> 00:24:41,646
this came out.

754
00:24:41,646 --> 00:24:43,982
It was basically -- it was

755
00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:45,984
published the end of MAY and

756
00:24:45,984 --> 00:24:48,820
gave us a 45-day window to

757
00:24:48,820 --> 00:24:50,820
provide our comments.

758
00:24:51,456 --> 00:24:52,457
I know we provided -- council

759
00:24:52,457 --> 00:24:54,250
comments on our end.

760
00:24:54,250 --> 00:24:56,894
Thank you for sharing your

761
00:24:56,894 --> 00:24:58,894
comments as well.

762
00:24:59,297 --> 00:25:01,699
My concern is, given the rule,

763
00:25:01,699 --> 00:25:04,735
we expected it to be finalized

764
00:25:04,735 --> 00:25:07,705
by OCTOBER 1st, and we have

765
00:25:07,705 --> 00:25:09,705
quite a few

766
00:25:11,142 --> 00:25:13,142
discretionary federal grants

767
00:25:13,211 --> 00:25:15,279
that could be affected if this

768
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:17,515
rule goes into effect either in

769
00:25:17,515 --> 00:25:18,683
whole or in part.

770
00:25:18,683 --> 00:25:20,218
I am especially concerned about

771
00:25:20,218 --> 00:25:21,719
the potential discretionary

772
00:25:21,719 --> 00:25:23,719
termination without appeal.

773
00:25:24,210 --> 00:25:26,257
That puts about -- from what I

774
00:25:26,257 --> 00:25:29,257
was able to identify, about

775
00:25:29,927 --> 00:25:32,300
$26.7 million in federal grants

776
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:33,197
at risk of disappearing mid-year

777
00:25:33,197 --> 00:25:33,998
with zero notice requirement or

778
00:25:33,998 --> 00:25:35,998
no appeal.

779
00:25:38,903 --> 00:25:41,705
I'm curious what you're doing at

780
00:25:41,705 --> 00:25:43,841
the moment -- does the city have

781
00:25:43,841 --> 00:25:45,810
a stabilization plan or model

782
00:25:45,810 --> 00:25:48,810
scenario where if an active

783
00:25:49,790 --> 00:25:51,415
federal grant is terminated or

784
00:25:51,415 --> 00:25:52,616
delayed, and what reserve or

785
00:25:52,616 --> 00:25:54,518
contingency funding would cover

786
00:25:54,518 --> 00:25:57,518
that gap for these fy27

787
00:25:58,989 --> 00:26:00,791
programs?

788
00:26:00,791 --> 00:26:02,627
>> council PRESIDENT, councilor

789
00:26:02,627 --> 00:26:06,330
telles, like you said, we had a

790
00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:08,231
very short window to respond.

791
00:26:08,231 --> 00:26:10,667
I'm also a member of one of the

792
00:26:10,667 --> 00:26:12,667
committee for gfoa.

793
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:15,672
They received -- omb received

794
00:26:15,672 --> 00:26:17,672
over 500,000 comments.

795
00:26:18,842 --> 00:26:22,246
The response we gave and had a

796
00:26:22,246 --> 00:26:23,914
separate one with gfoa is extend

797
00:26:23,914 --> 00:26:26,160
the period for implementation to

798
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,618
change policy and procedures and

799
00:26:27,618 --> 00:26:29,618
get us prepared.

800
00:26:29,886 --> 00:26:32,522
just saying it's OCTOBER 1st,

801
00:26:32,522 --> 00:26:33,724
2026 is not enough time.

802
00:26:33,724 --> 00:26:37,324
That would be the best thing.

803
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,930
Not just for us, for any other

804
00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:41,565
affected branch.

805
00:26:41,565 --> 00:26:41,932
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MS.

806
00:26:41,932 --> 00:26:43,867
Sandoval.

807
00:26:43,867 --> 00:26:44,668
I understand that would be the

808
00:26:44,668 --> 00:26:46,570
best thing.

809
00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:48,205
I don't anticipate that it's

810
00:26:48,205 --> 00:26:49,840
actually going to happen, given

811
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,174
the direction of the federal

812
00:26:51,174 --> 00:26:53,174
government right now.

813
00:26:53,243 --> 00:26:56,680
And what this omb director has

814
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,249
done when it comes down to cfcb

815
00:26:59,249 --> 00:27:00,350
rules and regulations they have

816
00:27:00,350 --> 00:27:02,350
cut.

817
00:27:02,485 --> 00:27:04,287
Again, this kit was pretty much

818
00:27:04,287 --> 00:27:07,287
caught me off-guard because they

819
00:27:07,891 --> 00:27:08,258
just updated rules to uniform

820
00:27:08,258 --> 00:27:10,258
guidance.

821
00:27:10,627 --> 00:27:12,950
They generally don't do that

822
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:15,950
unless it's every five years.

823
00:27:15,165 --> 00:27:17,701
For them to do it a year later,

824
00:27:17,701 --> 00:27:20,101
you know, it's surprising.

825
00:27:20,236 --> 00:27:23,674
I have been in contact with

826
00:27:23,674 --> 00:27:26,740
dfa's local government division.

827
00:27:26,476 --> 00:27:30,760
To ask if they're providing any

828
00:27:30,213 --> 00:27:32,613
guidance to local governments

829
00:27:34,384 --> 00:27:36,384
before OCTOBER 1st.

830
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:39,155
I anticipate that some type of

831
00:27:39,155 --> 00:27:40,657
final rule will likely be

832
00:27:40,657 --> 00:27:43,570
published on OCTOBER 1st.

833
00:27:44,561 --> 00:27:48,761
My question here is do we have

834
00:27:49,299 --> 00:27:50,733
any sort of plans for

835
00:27:50,733 --> 00:27:52,235
stabilizing the federal awards

836
00:27:52,235 --> 00:27:53,669
that we get here?

837
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:54,300
These are going to be block

838
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:55,838
grants.

839
00:27:55,838 --> 00:27:56,672
These are going to be

840
00:27:56,672 --> 00:27:58,508
discretionary grants.

841
00:27:58,508 --> 00:28:00,177
These are formula grants.

842
00:28:00,177 --> 00:28:02,645
The majority of these grants are

843
00:28:02,645 --> 00:28:05,781
going to hit hhh pretty hard.

844
00:28:05,781 --> 00:28:09,381
That just means we're going to

845
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:11,253
lose services if these

846
00:28:11,253 --> 00:28:13,653
discretionary grants are pulled.

847
00:28:14,757 --> 00:28:16,993
And again, these can be pulled

848
00:28:16,993 --> 00:28:17,326
for any reason based on the

849
00:28:17,326 --> 00:28:19,326
rules.

850
00:28:19,862 --> 00:28:23,990
my question, again, is are you

851
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:26,302
developing or have a plan to

852
00:28:26,302 --> 00:28:28,370
develop any sort of

853
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:29,372
stabilization -- federal funding

854
00:28:29,372 --> 00:28:31,772
stabilization plan for these

855
00:28:32,308 --> 00:28:35,308
grants that MAY be affected?

856
00:28:35,745 --> 00:28:37,745
>> MADAM Chair, councilor

857
00:28:38,314 --> 00:28:40,917
telles, I think there have been

858
00:28:40,917 --> 00:28:41,784
ongoing conversations, frankly,

859
00:28:41,784 --> 00:28:43,852
since this administration has

860
00:28:43,852 --> 00:28:46,852
been in office because there

861
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:49,992
have been concerns over time

862
00:28:49,992 --> 00:28:52,280
related to different grants.

863
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,830
So, there have been questions

864
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:57,132
posed to all the departments

865
00:28:57,132 --> 00:28:59,635
about their funding and what

866
00:28:59,635 --> 00:29:00,102
would be their contingency

867
00:29:00,102 --> 00:29:01,700
plans.

868
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,105
I think this is just another

869
00:29:03,105 --> 00:29:04,774
part of those ongoing

870
00:29:04,774 --> 00:29:05,140
conversations that we've been

871
00:29:05,140 --> 00:29:07,420
having.

872
00:29:07,420 --> 00:29:09,211
>>coun. Telles: thank you, cfo.

873
00:29:09,211 --> 00:29:12,811
Does that mean you are putting

874
00:29:14,883 --> 00:29:16,351
together a stabilization plan?

875
00:29:16,351 --> 00:29:18,187
>> MADAM Chair, councilor

876
00:29:18,187 --> 00:29:20,922
telles, I guess without knowing

877
00:29:20,922 --> 00:29:22,524
what you mean by stabilization

878
00:29:22,524 --> 00:29:24,426
plan -- I think what I'm saying

879
00:29:24,426 --> 00:29:26,562
is we had ongoing conversations

880
00:29:26,562 --> 00:29:28,130
with the departments about if

881
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:29,698
they lost federal funding what

882
00:29:29,698 --> 00:29:32,670
would be their plan to ensure

883
00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:32,568
they would be able to continue

884
00:29:32,568 --> 00:29:34,690
services.

885
00:29:34,690 --> 00:29:34,336
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

886
00:29:34,336 --> 00:29:35,170
Cfo.

887
00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:38,807
Are you leaving it up to the

888
00:29:38,807 --> 00:29:39,808
department to come up with a

889
00:29:39,808 --> 00:29:41,743
contingency plan for their

890
00:29:41,743 --> 00:29:43,743
federal awards?

891
00:29:43,778 --> 00:29:45,614
Are you providing guidance as

892
00:29:45,614 --> 00:29:47,782
the tone at the top for the

893
00:29:47,782 --> 00:29:50,182
directors and their fiscal

894
00:29:53,855 --> 00:29:55,857
officers in each department?

895
00:29:55,857 --> 00:29:57,726
I'm trying to understand if the

896
00:29:57,726 --> 00:29:59,127
city can provide department by

897
00:29:59,127 --> 00:30:01,129
department inventory of what

898
00:30:01,129 --> 00:30:03,129
federal discretionary awards

899
00:30:03,265 --> 00:30:05,500
that the city administers, what

900
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:07,736
that total amount might be, what

901
00:30:07,736 --> 00:30:10,380
the funding agency is, what the

902
00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:12,407
award period is, if we're up for

903
00:30:12,407 --> 00:30:14,807
renewal or continuation, what

904
00:30:15,844 --> 00:30:16,244
these awards are, how many are

905
00:30:16,244 --> 00:30:18,244
discretion.

906
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:22,751
I think we need to have an idea

907
00:30:22,751 --> 00:30:24,786
of what it looks like -- what

908
00:30:24,786 --> 00:30:26,554
our picture looks like for the

909
00:30:26,554 --> 00:30:26,988
awards that we get that fund our

910
00:30:26,988 --> 00:30:28,690
work.

911
00:30:28,690 --> 00:30:32,226
I know we have several programs

912
00:30:32,226 --> 00:30:34,962
in hhh in particular that are

913
00:30:34,962 --> 00:30:37,362
100% funded by federal awards.

914
00:30:38,533 --> 00:30:42,133
So, if that award gets --

915
00:30:42,136 --> 00:30:43,371
disappears mid.

916
00:30:43,371 --> 00:30:45,172
-year with zero

917
00:30:45,172 --> 00:30:47,609
notice and no appeal, what are

918
00:30:47,609 --> 00:30:49,110
we going to do about that?

919
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:51,510
I personally identified, with

920
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:55,879
the help of our awesome team,

921
00:30:57,552 --> 00:30:58,819
26.7 million at risk right now.

922
00:30:58,819 --> 00:31:00,988
You know, what's the plan?

923
00:31:00,988 --> 00:31:03,825
Are we doing anything to say,

924
00:31:03,825 --> 00:31:05,426
okay, if this happens, let's say

925
00:31:05,426 --> 00:31:07,826
worst case scenario, OCTOBER

926
00:31:09,564 --> 00:31:12,733
1st, these proposed rules by omb

927
00:31:12,733 --> 00:31:15,502
go into effect on OCTOBER 1st,

928
00:31:15,502 --> 00:31:17,338
and now these federal agencies

929
00:31:17,338 --> 00:31:19,941
that provide us these awards,

930
00:31:19,941 --> 00:31:21,709
whether they're direct awards,

931
00:31:21,709 --> 00:31:23,430
whether they're pass through

932
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:25,443
grants or federal awards,

933
00:31:28,482 --> 00:31:30,882
whether we have subrecipient

934
00:31:31,819 --> 00:31:34,455
monitoring we have to deal with.

935
00:31:34,455 --> 00:31:36,357
What happens if they get pulled?

936
00:31:36,357 --> 00:31:37,958
What is our continuity plan?

937
00:31:37,958 --> 00:31:39,960
What are we going to do if we

938
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,280
lose, at minimum, 27

939
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,830
$27 million?

940
00:31:42,830 --> 00:31:44,830
>> MADAM Chair, councilor

941
00:31:45,666 --> 00:31:46,633
telles, as I said, when this

942
00:31:46,633 --> 00:31:49,330
administration came into office

943
00:31:49,870 --> 00:31:51,272
we did an inventory of all of

944
00:31:51,272 --> 00:31:52,139
our federal grants in

945
00:31:52,139 --> 00:31:52,539
collaboration with the

946
00:31:52,539 --> 00:31:54,308
departments.

947
00:31:54,308 --> 00:31:57,311
We're not leaving it up to the

948
00:31:57,311 --> 00:31:59,780
departments, but they them are

949
00:31:59,780 --> 00:32:01,315
the experts as to what funding

950
00:32:01,315 --> 00:32:02,516
they're receiving and what that

951
00:32:02,516 --> 00:32:05,119
funding is being used for.

952
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:06,687
We're happy to go back and

953
00:32:06,687 --> 00:32:09,687
pinpoint these ones as it

954
00:32:11,358 --> 00:32:11,792
relates to this much

955
00:32:11,792 --> 00:32:12,793
transaction.

956
00:32:12,793 --> 00:32:14,795
But this is something we've been

957
00:32:14,795 --> 00:32:15,295
looking at and talking about for

958
00:32:15,295 --> 00:32:17,130
quite sometime.

959
00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:18,765
Even before I was cfo.

960
00:32:18,765 --> 00:32:19,166
These conversations were

961
00:32:19,166 --> 00:32:19,966
happening.

962
00:32:19,966 --> 00:32:20,267
>>coun. Telles: that's great to

963
00:32:20,267 --> 00:32:21,340
hear.

964
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:22,769
Thank you so much.

965
00:32:22,769 --> 00:32:24,471
I would respectfully request,

966
00:32:24,471 --> 00:32:26,173
MADAM PRESIDENT, if possible, I

967
00:32:26,173 --> 00:32:28,742
would like to -- I have some

968
00:32:28,742 --> 00:32:30,611
more questions I can send over

969
00:32:30,611 --> 00:32:33,130
to you offline that you can

970
00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:33,914
review so we know what reserve

971
00:32:33,914 --> 00:32:35,914
funds we have.

972
00:32:35,949 --> 00:32:36,917
I'm wondering what reserve funds

973
00:32:36,917 --> 00:32:38,552
we have.

974
00:32:38,552 --> 00:32:40,320
Any bridge financing.

975
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,656
What type of reolication

976
00:32:42,656 --> 00:32:45,292
authority we might have to

977
00:32:45,292 --> 00:32:47,794
sustain these services if a

978
00:32:47,794 --> 00:32:49,196
major grant is suspended or

979
00:32:49,196 --> 00:32:50,897
pulled without notice.

980
00:32:50,897 --> 00:32:53,297
MADAM PRESIDENT, respectfully, I

981
00:32:54,534 --> 00:32:56,870
would love to add -- request

982
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:59,870
that we include a presentation

983
00:33:00,441 --> 00:33:02,909
from your office -- from you --

984
00:33:02,909 --> 00:33:05,145
about what type of

985
00:33:05,145 --> 00:33:06,680
stabilizations we have so we can

986
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,481
know, you know, what is going to

987
00:33:08,481 --> 00:33:12,810
happen if there's a sudden loss

988
00:33:12,850 --> 00:33:12,418
of this federal discretionary

989
00:33:12,418 --> 00:33:14,418
funding.

990
00:33:17,357 --> 00:33:19,626
Because potentially this has

991
00:33:19,626 --> 00:33:22,260
impact on transit, vouchers,

992
00:33:22,228 --> 00:33:23,196
behavioral health contracts,

993
00:33:23,196 --> 00:33:25,196
aviation grants.

994
00:33:25,231 --> 00:33:29,335
I think we need to be prepared

995
00:33:29,335 --> 00:33:31,171
to backfill these if, again,

996
00:33:31,171 --> 00:33:33,106
worst case scenario, that

997
00:33:33,106 --> 00:33:34,140
happens on OCTOBER 1st.

998
00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:36,140
We don't know.

999
00:33:36,576 --> 00:33:37,176
We don't know what the omb is

1000
00:33:37,176 --> 00:33:38,444
going to do.

1001
00:33:38,444 --> 00:33:41,114
We don't know what the federal

1002
00:33:41,114 --> 00:33:43,549
government is going to do.

1003
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:44,684
But because we don't know what

1004
00:33:44,684 --> 00:33:48,284
they're going to do it's even

1005
00:33:48,588 --> 00:33:51,124
more imperative that we have a

1006
00:33:51,124 --> 00:33:53,124
stabilization continuity plan.

1007
00:33:53,226 --> 00:33:54,194
I'm happy to send that

1008
00:33:54,194 --> 00:33:54,494
information and questions to

1009
00:33:54,494 --> 00:33:56,229
you.

1010
00:33:56,229 --> 00:33:59,829
I would love to have a

1011
00:34:01,267 --> 00:34:02,869
presentation from you all.

1012
00:34:02,869 --> 00:34:05,269
>> council PRESIDENT, we submit

1013
00:34:05,404 --> 00:34:06,872
a grant report to council.

1014
00:34:06,872 --> 00:34:09,508
We also prepared it for the

1015
00:34:09,508 --> 00:34:10,810
audit every year.

1016
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:12,810
That's audited.

1017
00:34:13,947 --> 00:34:14,613
We'd be happy to do it.

1018
00:34:14,613 --> 00:34:16,215
>>coun. Telles: thank you.

1019
00:34:16,215 --> 00:34:17,650
I appreciate it.

1020
00:34:17,650 --> 00:34:19,850
>>coun. Champine: hold on for

1021
00:34:19,850 --> 00:34:19,952
one second, lady.

1022
00:34:19,952 --> 00:34:20,653
Councilor rogers.

1023
00:34:20,653 --> 00:34:21,287
>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

1024
00:34:21,287 --> 00:34:23,522
I have a follow up.

1025
00:34:23,522 --> 00:34:25,225
I also wanted to see if we could

1026
00:34:25,225 --> 00:34:27,920
collaborate as a team, as the

1027
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,194
city of albuquerque, because I

1028
00:34:28,194 --> 00:34:29,929
think the administration is

1029
00:34:29,929 --> 00:34:32,929
setting one set of comments,

1030
00:34:33,566 --> 00:34:33,933
we're sending another set of

1031
00:34:33,933 --> 00:34:35,933
comments.

1032
00:34:36,502 --> 00:34:39,171
So far that I've seen, they

1033
00:34:39,171 --> 00:34:40,306
haven't been differing but

1034
00:34:40,306 --> 00:34:42,341
there's different points and

1035
00:34:42,341 --> 00:34:45,440
pages we want to highlight based

1036
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:45,444
on expertise from our

1037
00:34:45,444 --> 00:34:46,679
colleagues.

1038
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,681
I think it would be good if we

1039
00:34:48,681 --> 00:34:49,982
can all get on the same page and

1040
00:34:49,982 --> 00:34:51,283
we're saying the same thing to

1041
00:34:51,283 --> 00:34:53,218
our congressional delegation.

1042
00:34:53,218 --> 00:34:53,919
I'm sending them information.

1043
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:56,121
I know councilor telles and

1044
00:34:56,121 --> 00:34:56,989
councilor fiebelkorn is sending

1045
00:34:56,989 --> 00:34:58,190
them information.

1046
00:34:58,190 --> 00:35:00,159
I think it would just be good

1047
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:00,526
for the city of albuquerque as a

1048
00:35:00,526 --> 00:35:02,161
whole.

1049
00:35:02,161 --> 00:35:03,629
One albuquerque spirit that

1050
00:35:03,629 --> 00:35:04,730
we're communicating these

1051
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:06,231
important things.

1052
00:35:06,231 --> 00:35:07,833
I think having a list and having

1053
00:35:07,833 --> 00:35:08,700
the audits are good.

1054
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:12,137
I think what councilor telles is

1055
00:35:12,137 --> 00:35:12,438
asking for is a contingency

1056
00:35:12,438 --> 00:35:14,339
plan.

1057
00:35:14,339 --> 00:35:17,542
Same as I asked for when this

1058
00:35:17,542 --> 00:35:19,311
administration took office, not

1059
00:35:19,311 --> 00:35:21,246
mayor, but the federal

1060
00:35:21,246 --> 00:35:23,215
administration, on what our

1061
00:35:23,215 --> 00:35:24,483
grants -- like what is the list?

1062
00:35:24,483 --> 00:35:24,850
You're able to pull that

1063
00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:26,850
together.

1064
00:35:27,186 --> 00:35:28,520
Should we lose funding, what is

1065
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,888
our plan together?

1066
00:35:29,888 --> 00:35:31,990
As the appropriating body and

1067
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:34,292
the executing of the budget, how

1068
00:35:34,292 --> 00:35:35,460
do we work together as a team to

1069
00:35:35,460 --> 00:35:36,895
replace that funding?

1070
00:35:36,895 --> 00:35:37,829
I think for me that's the most

1071
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:40,229
important thing, especially that

1072
00:35:40,398 --> 00:35:43,335
we have some officers on federal

1073
00:35:43,335 --> 00:35:45,203
funding for their positions.

1074
00:35:45,203 --> 00:35:48,803
We need to have a plan.

1075
00:35:48,807 --> 00:35:49,174
I just wanted to echo that.

1076
00:35:49,174 --> 00:35:49,908
Thank you.

1077
00:35:49,908 --> 00:35:50,575
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

1078
00:35:50,575 --> 00:35:52,770
councilor rogers.

1079
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:52,444
MADAM PRESIDENT, I just have one

1080
00:35:52,444 --> 00:35:54,444
question.

1081
00:35:54,512 --> 00:35:56,912
It's for the cao.

1082
00:35:57,515 --> 00:35:59,915
I know it's past 5:30.

1083
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,788
Is there any plans on -- we

1084
00:36:02,788 --> 00:36:05,188
haven't received quarter two,

1085
00:36:05,490 --> 00:36:06,591
quarter three, or quarter four

1086
00:36:06,591 --> 00:36:08,326
of the litigation reports.

1087
00:36:08,326 --> 00:36:10,528
Is there any plans?

1088
00:36:10,528 --> 00:36:12,297
I know we sent several emails.

1089
00:36:12,297 --> 00:36:12,931
Are there any plans to send

1090
00:36:12,931 --> 00:36:14,931
those eventually?

1091
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,535
>> MADAM PRESIDENT --

1092
00:36:17,535 --> 00:36:18,971
>>coun. Champine: I'm sorry,

1093
00:36:18,971 --> 00:36:20,238
quarter of '25.

1094
00:36:20,238 --> 00:36:22,238
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

1095
00:36:22,540 --> 00:36:24,442
champine, I would ask city

1096
00:36:24,442 --> 00:36:25,810
attorney to respond as reports

1097
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:27,780
come directly from the city

1098
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:28,980
attorney's office.

1099
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:29,347
>> we do have the reports up to

1100
00:36:29,347 --> 00:36:31,347
date.

1101
00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:36,955
They're ready to circulate into

1102
00:36:36,955 --> 00:36:38,723
docusign.

1103
00:36:38,723 --> 00:36:41,723
>>coun. Champine: there ready --

1104
00:36:42,727 --> 00:36:43,662
I'm sorry, I meant '26.

1105
00:36:43,662 --> 00:36:44,362
Not '25.

1106
00:36:44,362 --> 00:36:46,362
>> yes.

1107
00:36:46,731 --> 00:36:48,132
I'm about to get the next

1108
00:36:48,132 --> 00:36:50,132
quarter next week.

1109
00:36:50,368 --> 00:36:52,837
The three quarters -- I'm

1110
00:36:52,837 --> 00:36:54,805
sorry -- I'm not sure I can

1111
00:36:54,805 --> 00:36:56,730
think through the quarters.

1112
00:36:56,730 --> 00:36:57,141
I'm up to date through the

1113
00:36:57,141 --> 00:36:58,509
quarters and I'll get another

1114
00:36:58,509 --> 00:37:00,244
one next week.

1115
00:37:00,244 --> 00:37:02,513
Whatever that most recent

1116
00:37:02,513 --> 00:37:06,183
quarter is is done and ready to

1117
00:37:06,183 --> 00:37:08,190
send to docusign.

1118
00:37:08,190 --> 00:37:09,187
>>coun. Champine: they will be

1119
00:37:09,187 --> 00:37:09,520
released before next council

1120
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,520
meeting?

1121
00:37:14,625 --> 00:37:15,526
>> yes, once they go into docu

1122
00:37:15,526 --> 00:37:16,761
sign is just days.

1123
00:37:16,761 --> 00:37:18,362
>> weicide send them down

1124
00:37:18,362 --> 00:37:19,964
?

1125
00:37:19,964 --> 00:37:21,699
>> we would send them down the

1126
00:37:21,699 --> 00:37:23,867
next time we send legislation

1127
00:37:23,867 --> 00:37:25,236
which would be next tuesday.

1128
00:37:25,236 --> 00:37:26,804
>>coun. Champine: noted.

1129
00:37:26,804 --> 00:37:27,605
Councilor grout.

1130
00:37:27,605 --> 00:37:28,239
>>coun. Grout: I just wanted to

1131
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,974
follow up.

1132
00:37:29,974 --> 00:37:33,574
How come we haven't gotten the

1133
00:37:33,677 --> 00:37:35,412
ones before?

1134
00:37:35,412 --> 00:37:37,281
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

1135
00:37:37,281 --> 00:37:41,285
grout, we have been working on a

1136
00:37:41,285 --> 00:37:41,585
new system for getting those

1137
00:37:41,585 --> 00:37:43,585
out.

1138
00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:45,155
There have been some staffing

1139
00:37:45,155 --> 00:37:46,991
changes in my office and we've

1140
00:37:46,991 --> 00:37:48,959
been trying to get a new system.

1141
00:37:48,959 --> 00:37:53,159
I think we now have it set.

1142
00:37:53,931 --> 00:37:56,330
Those have been delayed as a

1143
00:37:56,330 --> 00:37:58,330
result.

1144
00:37:58,268 --> 00:37:59,670
>>coun. Champine: perfect.

1145
00:37:59,670 --> 00:38:00,604
MADAM PRESIDENT.

1146
00:38:00,604 --> 00:38:01,338
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you, vice

1147
00:38:01,338 --> 00:38:03,338
PRESIDENT Champine.

1148
00:38:04,341 --> 00:38:04,708
We're now on item 15, other

1149
00:38:04,708 --> 00:38:06,708
business.

1150
00:38:08,345 --> 00:38:10,614
executive session pursuant to

1151
00:38:10,614 --> 00:38:12,749
nmsa1978 section 10-15-1,

1152
00:38:12,749 --> 00:38:14,785
discussion of limited personnel

1153
00:38:14,785 --> 00:38:16,587
matter pertaining to the

1154
00:38:16,587 --> 00:38:18,587
inspector general investigation

1155
00:38:19,423 --> 00:38:21,823
of our city attorney.

1156
00:38:22,526 --> 00:38:24,428
We need a roll call vote to go

1157
00:38:24,428 --> 00:38:26,630
into special session.

1158
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:28,630
[Roll call].

1159
00:38:28,932 --> 00:38:30,667
>>coun. Baca: yes.

1160
00:38:30,667 --> 00:38:32,235
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

1161
00:38:32,235 --> 00:38:34,235
>>coun. Champine: yes.

1162
00:38:35,505 --> 00:38:36,373
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

1163
00:38:36,373 --> 00:38:38,373
>>coun. Grout: yes.

1164
00:38:40,610 --> 00:38:42,610
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

1165
00:38:42,746 --> 00:38:44,470
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

1166
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:44,581
>>coun. Telles: yes.

1167
00:38:44,581 --> 00:38:46,883
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

1168
00:38:46,883 --> 00:38:48,883
>> passes unanimously.

1169
00:39:13,427 --> 00:39:15,728
>>coun. Pe}a: we're back.

1170
00:39:15,728 --> 00:39:16,896
I affirm that the matters

1171
00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:19,132
discussed in the executive

1172
00:39:19,132 --> 00:39:20,199
session were limited to those

1173
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:22,234
specified in the motion for

1174
00:39:22,234 --> 00:39:24,234
closure.

1175
00:39:24,236 --> 00:39:26,772
Now, we're on item three,

1176
00:39:26,772 --> 00:39:27,440
proclamations and presentations.

1177
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,240
This will be vice PRESIDENT

1178
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:29,375
Champine.

1179
00:39:29,375 --> 00:39:30,610
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

1180
00:39:30,610 --> 00:39:31,477
MADAM PRESIDENT.

1181
00:39:31,477 --> 00:39:32,311
Councilor fiebelkorn.

1182
00:39:32,311 --> 00:39:33,846
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

1183
00:39:33,846 --> 00:39:36,246
MR. Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

1184
00:39:36,248 --> 00:39:39,510
We have a presentation tonight

1185
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:40,319
on our move and mentor program

1186
00:39:40,319 --> 00:39:41,554
that councilor bassan is in the

1187
00:39:41,554 --> 00:39:43,554
lead on.

1188
00:39:44,991 --> 00:39:47,991
And I have been supportive.

1189
00:39:48,294 --> 00:39:50,496
It will be from MS. Karen anale

1190
00:39:50,496 --> 00:39:52,865
director of housing efficiency.

1191
00:39:52,865 --> 00:39:54,660
And lauren gallegos from

1192
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:55,901
catholic charities.

1193
00:39:55,901 --> 00:39:57,670
If they can come on down.

1194
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:59,905
We asked them to give a quick

1195
00:39:59,905 --> 00:40:02,508
update on the program that

1196
00:40:02,508 --> 00:40:04,908
council funded and how

1197
00:40:05,377 --> 00:40:07,279
incredibly successful it's been

1198
00:40:07,279 --> 00:40:09,810
in its first couple months.

1199
00:40:09,810 --> 00:40:11,810
>> good evening, councilors.

1200
00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:13,285
i'm the director of housing and

1201
00:40:13,285 --> 00:40:13,619
self-efficiency at catholic

1202
00:40:13,619 --> 00:40:14,853
charity.

1203
00:40:14,853 --> 00:40:15,954
Thank you for the opportunity to

1204
00:40:15,954 --> 00:40:17,890
speak with you today.

1205
00:40:17,890 --> 00:40:19,958
I'm here to share the impacted

1206
00:40:19,958 --> 00:40:22,958
of two city funded initiatives

1207
00:40:23,950 --> 00:40:24,396
made possible through our

1208
00:40:24,396 --> 00:40:26,396
support.

1209
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:28,267
I especially like to thank

1210
00:40:28,267 --> 00:40:28,667
councilor bassan and councilor

1211
00:40:28,667 --> 00:40:29,935
fiebelkorn.

1212
00:40:29,935 --> 00:40:30,903
And everyone who helped bring

1213
00:40:30,903 --> 00:40:33,303
these programs to life.

1214
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:35,207
Your investment is making a very

1215
00:40:35,207 --> 00:40:37,207
meaningful difference.

1216
00:40:37,944 --> 00:40:39,344
Between JANUARY and JUNE 2026

1217
00:40:39,344 --> 00:40:41,344
catholic charities received

1218
00:40:41,913 --> 00:40:42,614
funding to launch these

1219
00:40:42,614 --> 00:40:44,614
programs.

1220
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:45,851
$300,000 was provided as direct

1221
00:40:45,851 --> 00:40:47,286
financial assistance to

1222
00:40:47,286 --> 00:40:50,286
households that were in crisis.

1223
00:40:50,422 --> 00:40:51,990
During that time we received 807

1224
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:54,390
applications for assistance and

1225
00:40:54,493 --> 00:40:56,395
helped 238 households with past

1226
00:40:56,395 --> 00:40:57,762
due rent, move in cost and

1227
00:40:57,762 --> 00:40:59,762
utility assistance.

1228
00:40:59,765 --> 00:41:01,660
More than two-thirds of the

1229
00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:03,466
households were served including

1230
00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:05,937
children and 129 families were

1231
00:41:05,937 --> 00:41:07,600
facing financial crisis caused

1232
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,600
by medical emergencies.

1233
00:41:09,774 --> 00:41:11,309
These are families who were one

1234
00:41:11,309 --> 00:41:11,744
expected event away from

1235
00:41:11,744 --> 00:41:13,744
homelessness.

1236
00:41:15,347 --> 00:41:17,747
This year, we've ex-pandemiceded

1237
00:41:18,583 --> 00:41:19,551
and launching our move and

1238
00:41:19,551 --> 00:41:21,860
mentor program.

1239
00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:21,620
Many people don't need long-term

1240
00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:23,121
case management.

1241
00:41:23,121 --> 00:41:26,570
They simply need someone to help

1242
00:41:26,570 --> 00:41:27,492
them overcome barriers like poor

1243
00:41:27,492 --> 00:41:29,492
credit, criminal background,

1244
00:41:29,661 --> 00:41:31,162
technology challenges, or

1245
00:41:31,162 --> 00:41:32,731
navigating rental processes.

1246
00:41:32,731 --> 00:41:34,432
Our team has worked one-on-one

1247
00:41:34,432 --> 00:41:35,967
with clients while partnering

1248
00:41:35,967 --> 00:41:37,235
with landlord and property

1249
00:41:37,235 --> 00:41:38,903
managers across albuquerque to

1250
00:41:38,903 --> 00:41:40,371
help people access housing.

1251
00:41:40,371 --> 00:41:42,607
Through this work, we also

1252
00:41:42,607 --> 00:41:45,476
identified dozens of seniors at

1253
00:41:45,476 --> 00:41:46,444
gateway west to who have been

1254
00:41:46,444 --> 00:41:48,513
priced out of housing.

1255
00:41:48,513 --> 00:41:51,582
For someone living on a fixed

1256
00:41:51,582 --> 00:41:53,982
income a significant rent

1257
00:41:54,419 --> 00:41:54,753
increase can become an eviction

1258
00:41:54,753 --> 00:41:56,753
notice.

1259
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:00,658
We've donated $25,000 to help

1260
00:42:00,658 --> 00:42:01,250
transition them into stable

1261
00:42:01,250 --> 00:42:01,826
housing.

1262
00:42:01,826 --> 00:42:03,962
One point that's important to

1263
00:42:03,962 --> 00:42:05,797
mention is homelessness does

1264
00:42:05,797 --> 00:42:07,365
cost our community far more than

1265
00:42:07,365 --> 00:42:08,933
housing our community does.

1266
00:42:08,933 --> 00:42:10,635
Research estimates that a person

1267
00:42:10,635 --> 00:42:12,635
experiencing chronic

1268
00:42:12,704 --> 00:42:14,704
homelessness cost taxpayers

1269
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,975
between $50-75,000 each year

1270
00:42:16,975 --> 00:42:18,609
through medical care and law

1271
00:42:18,609 --> 00:42:20,745
enforcement and crisis services.

1272
00:42:20,745 --> 00:42:22,314
Once that person is placed in

1273
00:42:22,314 --> 00:42:24,714
supportive housing the cost

1274
00:42:24,749 --> 00:42:26,749
drops to $12,800.

1275
00:42:27,351 --> 00:42:29,620
That's a saving of $37,000 per

1276
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:31,522
person every single year.

1277
00:42:31,522 --> 00:42:33,491
Housing isn't just a

1278
00:42:33,491 --> 00:42:34,792
compassionate choice, it's a

1279
00:42:34,792 --> 00:42:36,270
fiscally responsible choice.

1280
00:42:36,270 --> 00:42:37,928
We've already seen the impact of

1281
00:42:37,928 --> 00:42:39,297
our move and mentor program.

1282
00:42:39,297 --> 00:42:41,332
We've helped people with

1283
00:42:41,332 --> 00:42:42,133
full-time jobs who simply

1284
00:42:42,133 --> 00:42:43,902
couldn't secure housing because

1285
00:42:43,902 --> 00:42:44,268
of barriers beyond their

1286
00:42:44,268 --> 00:42:45,736
control.

1287
00:42:45,736 --> 00:42:46,136
They didn't need years of

1288
00:42:46,136 --> 00:42:47,471
assistance.

1289
00:42:47,471 --> 00:42:48,572
They just needed someone to

1290
00:42:48,572 --> 00:42:49,907
advocate for them and connect

1291
00:42:49,907 --> 00:42:52,143
them with landlords and help

1292
00:42:52,143 --> 00:42:53,411
them navigate this complicated

1293
00:42:53,411 --> 00:42:54,879
system.

1294
00:42:54,879 --> 00:42:57,148
The families serve are working,

1295
00:42:57,148 --> 00:42:58,415
raising children and recovering

1296
00:42:58,415 --> 00:43:00,451
from medical crisis and doing

1297
00:43:00,451 --> 00:43:00,951
everything they can to remain

1298
00:43:00,951 --> 00:43:01,719
self-sufficient.

1299
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,119
Sometimes the difference between

1300
00:43:04,121 --> 00:43:04,855
stability and homelessness isn't

1301
00:43:04,855 --> 00:43:06,855
motivation, it's opportunity.

1302
00:43:07,325 --> 00:43:08,158
Your investment creates that

1303
00:43:08,158 --> 00:43:10,158
opportunity.

1304
00:43:11,929 --> 00:43:13,197
It keeps families together and

1305
00:43:13,197 --> 00:43:15,650
helps ensure albuquerque

1306
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:16,467
residents have a safe stable

1307
00:43:16,467 --> 00:43:17,935
place to call home.

1308
00:43:17,935 --> 00:43:19,436
We're here to ask for your

1309
00:43:19,436 --> 00:43:19,803
continued support to expand this

1310
00:43:19,803 --> 00:43:21,205
program.

1311
00:43:21,205 --> 00:43:22,500
We can prevent homelessness

1312
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:24,500
before it happens.

1313
00:43:25,209 --> 00:43:26,777
This is a preventative measure.

1314
00:43:26,777 --> 00:43:28,712
Remove barriers to housing and

1315
00:43:28,712 --> 00:43:29,790
help families achieve lasting

1316
00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:30,247
stability.

1317
00:43:30,247 --> 00:43:30,914
Thank you for your partnership,

1318
00:43:30,914 --> 00:43:32,416
leadership and continued

1319
00:43:32,416 --> 00:43:33,550
commitment to making housing

1320
00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:34,618
stability a reality for our

1321
00:43:34,618 --> 00:43:36,618
community.

1322
00:43:36,687 --> 00:43:38,221
We do have this we wanted to

1323
00:43:38,221 --> 00:43:39,322
potentially show you folks.

1324
00:43:39,322 --> 00:43:43,522
I don't know where we do that

1325
00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:46,610
at.

1326
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:47,664
If you have any questions --

1327
00:43:47,664 --> 00:43:49,299
there we go.

1328
00:43:49,299 --> 00:43:53,499
We would love to answer them for

1329
00:44:01,545 --> 00:44:02,345
you.

1330
00:44:02,345 --> 00:44:04,681
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I think this

1331
00:44:04,681 --> 00:44:05,815
is an incredible program that is

1332
00:44:05,815 --> 00:44:07,283
very little money in the grand

1333
00:44:07,283 --> 00:44:09,386
scheme of our really large

1334
00:44:09,386 --> 00:44:09,820
budget here in the city of

1335
00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:11,788
albuquerque.

1336
00:44:11,788 --> 00:44:13,356
It's done a lot of good.

1337
00:44:13,356 --> 00:44:13,690
I want to thank councilor

1338
00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:15,158
bassan.

1339
00:44:15,158 --> 00:44:19,358
She's the one that led this from

1340
00:44:20,397 --> 00:44:20,697
the beginning and made sure it

1341
00:44:20,697 --> 00:44:21,564
hammed

1342
00:44:21,564 --> 00:44:22,332
happened.

1343
00:44:22,332 --> 00:44:24,868
I'll tell the public, if you

1344
00:44:24,868 --> 00:44:27,303
want to learn about it, the next

1345
00:44:27,303 --> 00:44:28,872
district seven connection zoom

1346
00:44:28,872 --> 00:44:31,141
meeting we'll have a

1347
00:44:31,141 --> 00:44:33,541
presentation and q&a.

1348
00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:36,914
If you're not signed up, sign up

1349
00:44:36,914 --> 00:44:38,148
for a longer more detailed

1350
00:44:38,148 --> 00:44:38,548
presentation the first friday of

1351
00:44:38,548 --> 00:44:40,548
the month.

1352
00:44:42,286 --> 00:44:42,919
Thank you.

1353
00:44:42,919 --> 00:44:44,919
>>coun. Champine: MADAM

1354
00:44:45,655 --> 00:44:49,255
PRESIDENT, we do have a second

1355
00:44:52,862 --> 00:44:54,464
presentation tonight from MS. --

1356
00:44:54,464 --> 00:44:55,131
councilor bassan.

1357
00:44:55,131 --> 00:44:56,199
I apologize.

1358
00:44:56,199 --> 00:44:59,199
You are second in that

1359
00:44:59,736 --> 00:45:01,736
presentation.

1360
00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:06,275
My apologies.

1361
00:45:06,275 --> 00:45:08,110
>>coun. Pe}a: I'd love to hear

1362
00:45:08,110 --> 00:45:11,110
from councilor bassan because I

1363
00:45:12,248 --> 00:45:13,817
think catholic charities does

1364
00:45:13,817 --> 00:45:15,251
remarkable work and they never

1365
00:45:15,251 --> 00:45:16,385
have come to the city of

1366
00:45:16,385 --> 00:45:18,754
albuquerque to get funded in a

1367
00:45:18,754 --> 00:45:20,490
way that we really should.

1368
00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:21,658
I have personal experience.

1369
00:45:21,658 --> 00:45:24,193
I just think you guys have done

1370
00:45:24,193 --> 00:45:24,794
an amazing job over there.

1371
00:45:24,794 --> 00:45:25,628
Thank you.

1372
00:45:25,628 --> 00:45:27,463
Councilor bassan, I'd love to

1373
00:45:27,463 --> 00:45:28,331
hear from you.

1374
00:45:28,331 --> 00:45:29,865
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

1375
00:45:29,865 --> 00:45:31,500
MR. Vice PRESIDENT, I was going

1376
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:34,203
to ask if they make sure we get

1377
00:45:34,203 --> 00:45:36,710
a copy of the flier so we can

1378
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:38,541
distribute it and put it on the

1379
00:45:38,541 --> 00:45:40,409
website so people can get it.

1380
00:45:40,409 --> 00:45:42,645
It's been a pleasure to come up

1381
00:45:42,645 --> 00:45:43,120
with this and work with

1382
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:43,712
everyone.

1383
00:45:43,712 --> 00:45:44,113
>>coun. Champine: councilor

1384
00:45:44,113 --> 00:45:44,914
fiebelkorn.

1385
00:45:44,914 --> 00:45:45,614
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

1386
00:45:45,614 --> 00:45:46,549
MR. Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

1387
00:45:46,549 --> 00:45:50,749
I have the flier and I'll send

1388
00:45:51,220 --> 00:45:52,621
it to all of you right now.

1389
00:45:52,621 --> 00:45:54,621
>>coun. Champine: MADAM

1390
00:45:55,658 --> 00:45:58,561
PRESIDENT, we have a second

1391
00:45:58,561 --> 00:45:59,280
presentation from the city

1392
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,896
economist.

1393
00:46:00,896 --> 00:46:04,496
She'll provide an update to the

1394
00:46:05,367 --> 00:46:06,435
cannabis and gross receipts tax.

1395
00:46:06,435 --> 00:46:08,537
>> MR. Vice PRESIDENT Champine,

1396
00:46:08,537 --> 00:46:09,972
I have a quick presentation for

1397
00:46:09,972 --> 00:46:11,972
you, councilors.

1398
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:15,611
This is the MAY grt report.

1399
00:46:15,611 --> 00:46:17,611
here it is.

1400
00:46:18,647 --> 00:46:20,950
For MAY, growth slowed quite a

1401
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:22,384
bit from past several months.

1402
00:46:22,384 --> 00:46:24,384
It was still 3.2%.

1403
00:46:26,989 --> 00:46:28,190
That brings the clumlative

1404
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:30,190
growth to 5%.

1405
00:46:30,726 --> 00:46:31,693
We've got one more month in the

1406
00:46:31,693 --> 00:46:32,594
fiscal year.

1407
00:46:32,594 --> 00:46:34,163
Construction seemed to

1408
00:46:34,163 --> 00:46:35,597
contribute the most to the

1409
00:46:35,597 --> 00:46:37,997
slower growth this month.

1410
00:46:40,402 --> 00:46:42,402
It declined 17.5%.

1411
00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:45,941
Retail was 0.3% declined.

1412
00:46:45,941 --> 00:46:46,308
Essentially flat to slightly

1413
00:46:46,308 --> 00:46:48,308
negative.

1414
00:46:48,543 --> 00:46:50,450
On the upside, professional

1415
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:52,450
services grew 10.6%.

1416
00:46:53,782 --> 00:46:55,450
Other services, 9.3.

1417
00:46:55,450 --> 00:46:57,450
Health care 21.7.

1418
00:46:59,788 --> 00:47:02,188
All did quite well.

1419
00:47:02,758 --> 00:47:05,158
Manufacturing grew as well.

1420
00:47:05,427 --> 00:47:05,727
I guess I can speak more to

1421
00:47:05,727 --> 00:47:07,596
that.

1422
00:47:07,596 --> 00:47:11,196
I'll go ahead and move to

1423
00:47:11,466 --> 00:47:13,466
cannabis.

1424
00:47:13,702 --> 00:47:15,370
Cannabis dropped a little bit

1425
00:47:15,370 --> 00:47:16,805
from last month.

1426
00:47:16,805 --> 00:47:18,306
33.7% growth.

1427
00:47:18,306 --> 00:47:21,306
It was quite strong at 16%.

1428
00:47:22,344 --> 00:47:24,879
The assumption or hopefully trd

1429
00:47:24,879 --> 00:47:26,781
is doing compliance efforts.

1430
00:47:26,781 --> 00:47:28,350
Hopefully that will continue to

1431
00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:31,950
stay a little bit stronger than

1432
00:47:33,722 --> 00:47:35,722
it had been.

1433
00:47:35,723 --> 00:47:36,725
Cumulative growth is 6.5% for

1434
00:47:36,725 --> 00:47:38,260
the year.

1435
00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:39,794
Briefly, it's hard to believe

1436
00:47:39,794 --> 00:47:42,194
it's quarterly report time.

1437
00:47:43,631 --> 00:47:46,768
It's time for unm b irksey ber.

1438
00:47:46,768 --> 00:47:48,269
I got their data ahead of time

1439
00:47:48,269 --> 00:47:50,805
and looked it over to see if

1440
00:47:50,805 --> 00:47:51,106
there's changes expected for

1441
00:47:51,106 --> 00:47:53,106
fy27.

1442
00:47:53,641 --> 00:47:56,641
Employment was supposed to grow

1443
00:47:56,711 --> 00:48:00,311
the tiniest little bit more than

1444
00:48:00,348 --> 00:48:00,748
the previous quarter's

1445
00:48:00,748 --> 00:48:01,549
projection.

1446
00:48:01,549 --> 00:48:03,549
Almost negligible.

1447
00:48:05,186 --> 00:48:08,186
And housing permits and those

1448
00:48:08,423 --> 00:48:09,491
sorts of things remain.

1449
00:48:09,491 --> 00:48:10,591
no significant changes from the

1450
00:48:10,591 --> 00:48:12,591
last quarter.

1451
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:13,728
I can stand for questions.

1452
00:48:13,728 --> 00:48:14,610
>>coun. Champine: councilor

1453
00:48:14,610 --> 00:48:15,596
rogers.

1454
00:48:15,596 --> 00:48:15,997
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

1455
00:48:15,997 --> 00:48:17,431
PRESIDENT.

1456
00:48:17,431 --> 00:48:19,667
Thank you -- I love these

1457
00:48:19,667 --> 00:48:21,667
presentations every month.

1458
00:48:21,836 --> 00:48:24,105
Do you get access to the market

1459
00:48:24,105 --> 00:48:25,773
presentations that we get as a

1460
00:48:25,773 --> 00:48:28,173
part of our tid?

1461
00:48:31,812 --> 00:48:34,480
I sit on the board for south

1462
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,983
campus and mesa del sol.

1463
00:48:35,983 --> 00:48:37,585
There's three of them.

1464
00:48:37,585 --> 00:48:39,153
And state fair.

1465
00:48:39,153 --> 00:48:40,454
Not really a tid.

1466
00:48:40,454 --> 00:48:42,560
Do you get access to those

1467
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,425
market reports that we get as a

1468
00:48:44,425 --> 00:48:46,425
part of that?

1469
00:48:48,562 --> 00:48:49,997
I know merehead is a -- is there

1470
00:48:49,997 --> 00:48:52,266
a lot of time.

1471
00:48:52,266 --> 00:48:54,666
>> councilor rogers, I actually

1472
00:48:54,668 --> 00:48:55,350
attend some of those tid

1473
00:48:55,350 --> 00:48:57,350
meetings.

1474
00:48:58,639 --> 00:48:59,390
I usually hang out in the

1475
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:59,773
background.

1476
00:48:59,773 --> 00:49:00,107
I don't believe I get the

1477
00:49:00,107 --> 00:49:01,475
reports.

1478
00:49:01,475 --> 00:49:02,209
I would love to see them.

1479
00:49:02,209 --> 00:49:04,609
>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

1480
00:49:04,645 --> 00:49:06,213
The reason I ask is because

1481
00:49:06,213 --> 00:49:07,948
there's information we share

1482
00:49:07,948 --> 00:49:10,948
during those meetings that I

1483
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:13,620
think would be good for overall

1484
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:16,123
public about all the different

1485
00:49:16,123 --> 00:49:18,325
things that make-up this report

1486
00:49:18,325 --> 00:49:20,725
to incorporate into ours.

1487
00:49:21,128 --> 00:49:22,796
I learn a ton of what's

1488
00:49:22,796 --> 00:49:24,264
happening in the market.

1489
00:49:24,264 --> 00:49:24,665
That really affects city

1490
00:49:24,665 --> 00:49:26,199
government.

1491
00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:27,968
I'm happy to share those with

1492
00:49:27,968 --> 00:49:28,368
you and maybe there's stuff to

1493
00:49:28,368 --> 00:49:30,368
incorporate.

1494
00:49:33,975 --> 00:49:35,420
I'd love to get a copy of the

1495
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:37,420
beiber report.

1496
00:49:37,178 --> 00:49:39,479
If you could help me by sending

1497
00:49:39,479 --> 00:49:41,748
those, I would love to read

1498
00:49:41,748 --> 00:49:44,148
those and learn more.

1499
00:49:44,851 --> 00:49:48,550
last question I have is as we do

1500
00:49:48,550 --> 00:49:50,457
a bunch of tax abatements and

1501
00:49:50,457 --> 00:49:52,259
IRBs, does your department track

1502
00:49:52,259 --> 00:49:54,995
or anyone on your team track

1503
00:49:54,995 --> 00:49:56,997
that year over year so we know

1504
00:49:56,997 --> 00:49:58,832
we have it -- we have given all

1505
00:49:58,832 --> 00:50:00,967
these tax breaks, all these

1506
00:50:00,967 --> 00:50:04,371
people that affect our grt at

1507
00:50:04,371 --> 00:50:06,720
some point so we maybe don't

1508
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:10,272
need to do those for a little

1509
00:50:10,644 --> 00:50:10,911
while so we're not inadvertently

1510
00:50:10,911 --> 00:50:12,911
move

1511
00:50:13,313 --> 00:50:15,882
losing grt because we don't have

1512
00:50:15,882 --> 00:50:18,284
a cumulative running total of

1513
00:50:18,284 --> 00:50:19,285
what that is going to affect grt

1514
00:50:19,285 --> 00:50:20,887
in the city?

1515
00:50:20,887 --> 00:50:23,990
Do you do anything like that?

1516
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:25,990
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

1517
00:50:26,526 --> 00:50:28,926
rogers, there's something called

1518
00:50:31,231 --> 00:50:32,232
the gaz b

1519
00:50:32,232 --> 00:50:34,232
by 77.

1520
00:50:36,103 --> 00:50:38,772
It's looking at the irb and mra

1521
00:50:38,772 --> 00:50:41,474
and looking at the tax revenue

1522
00:50:41,474 --> 00:50:43,420
that is lost, essentially.

1523
00:50:43,420 --> 00:50:43,409
There's a report for it

1524
00:50:43,409 --> 00:50:44,644
annually.

1525
00:50:44,644 --> 00:50:46,880
I think this month or next I

1526
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,715
have to start that over again.

1527
00:50:48,715 --> 00:50:49,148
Perhaps, you'd like to see that

1528
00:50:49,148 --> 00:50:50,160
report?

1529
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,160
>>coun. Rogers: that would be

1530
00:50:53,887 --> 00:50:55,722
super helpful for us.

1531
00:50:55,722 --> 00:50:57,857
I'm just worried at some point

1532
00:50:57,857 --> 00:51:01,457
if we keep doing that we'll

1533
00:51:01,628 --> 00:51:02,610
affect our grt and what we have

1534
00:51:02,610 --> 00:51:04,610
as a city.

1535
00:51:04,497 --> 00:51:06,432
I wonder how that affects it.

1536
00:51:06,432 --> 00:51:08,832
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

1537
00:51:11,471 --> 00:51:12,271
>>coun. Pe}a: MADAM PRESIDENT.

1538
00:51:12,271 --> 00:51:13,739
Councilor champine, do you have

1539
00:51:13,739 --> 00:51:14,840
a follow-up?

1540
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,576
>>coun. Champine: yes.

1541
00:51:16,576 --> 00:51:19,445
You mentioned cannabis was at

1542
00:51:19,445 --> 00:51:23,450
33% and it dropped a little bit.

1543
00:51:24,283 --> 00:51:25,151
You indicated 16, so it dropped

1544
00:51:25,151 --> 00:51:27,151
half?

1545
00:51:27,787 --> 00:51:28,870
It went from 33 to 16?

1546
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:29,588
Okay.

1547
00:51:29,588 --> 00:51:31,524
I just wanted to clarify that.

1548
00:51:31,524 --> 00:51:31,891
>>coun. Pe}a: I'll just ask a

1549
00:51:31,891 --> 00:51:33,526
question.

1550
00:51:33,526 --> 00:51:34,760
Do you have an average of the

1551
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,996
grt increase over the past ten

1552
00:51:36,996 --> 00:51:38,996
years?

1553
00:51:40,332 --> 00:51:40,867
Do you track that in terms of

1554
00:51:40,867 --> 00:51:42,867
perjuries?

1555
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:45,171
Has the grt been 5% increase

1556
00:51:45,171 --> 00:51:47,139
every year?

1557
00:51:47,139 --> 00:51:49,175
Do you know that off the top of

1558
00:51:49,175 --> 00:51:50,309
your head?

1559
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:52,110
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, that would

1560
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:53,546
be easy to come up with.

1561
00:51:53,546 --> 00:51:54,747
Certain things like covid and

1562
00:51:54,747 --> 00:51:56,448
certain things like the

1563
00:51:56,448 --> 00:51:58,848
introduction of local gross

1564
00:51:59,180 --> 00:52:00,953
receipts tax on internet sales,

1565
00:52:00,953 --> 00:52:03,255
those were significant changes

1566
00:52:03,255 --> 00:52:03,556
that would throw that average

1567
00:52:03,556 --> 00:52:05,556
off.

1568
00:52:06,926 --> 00:52:09,940
It would skew it.

1569
00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:10,362
That kind of information, I can

1570
00:52:10,362 --> 00:52:12,640
easily provide that.

1571
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,666
If you want an average over the

1572
00:52:13,666 --> 00:52:14,299
past ten years.

1573
00:52:14,299 --> 00:52:16,699
>>coun. Pe}a: sure.

1574
00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:18,170
And you can remove the covid

1575
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:20,500
time.

1576
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:21,774
You can include it in there.

1577
00:52:21,774 --> 00:52:24,760
But maybe go ten years without

1578
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,612
that and ten years with covid.

1579
00:52:26,612 --> 00:52:27,980
I'm just trying to see in terms

1580
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:29,281
of city gross receipts.

1581
00:52:29,281 --> 00:52:31,784
This is our main source of

1582
00:52:31,784 --> 00:52:33,485
revenue we use to provide all

1583
00:52:33,485 --> 00:52:35,754
the services to our employees

1584
00:52:35,754 --> 00:52:36,655
and do everything we need to do

1585
00:52:36,655 --> 00:52:37,522
as a city.

1586
00:52:37,522 --> 00:52:39,922
I think sometimes we're

1587
00:52:40,693 --> 00:52:41,927
challenged with that.

1588
00:52:41,927 --> 00:52:43,362
We have bernalillo county,

1589
00:52:43,362 --> 00:52:46,362
they're doing amazing work over

1590
00:52:46,598 --> 00:52:46,865
there, but they also have their

1591
00:52:46,865 --> 00:52:48,865
grt.

1592
00:52:49,368 --> 00:52:52,604
Plus they have the property tax.

1593
00:52:52,604 --> 00:52:55,974
And the property tax goes up 4%

1594
00:52:55,974 --> 00:52:58,374
on average a year.

1595
00:52:59,578 --> 00:53:00,813
That on top of the grt, to me,

1596
00:53:00,813 --> 00:53:03,281
looking at budgets over the

1597
00:53:03,281 --> 00:53:05,984
years and I've talked with the

1598
00:53:05,984 --> 00:53:08,954
county manager about this, it

1599
00:53:08,954 --> 00:53:09,487
looks as though our budget is

1600
00:53:09,487 --> 00:53:10,989
stagnant.

1601
00:53:10,989 --> 00:53:13,258
But we provide services here in

1602
00:53:13,258 --> 00:53:16,858
the city of albuquerque but for

1603
00:53:16,895 --> 00:53:18,895
the unincorporated area.

1604
00:53:18,930 --> 00:53:19,898
But also for rio rancho and

1605
00:53:19,898 --> 00:53:21,898
surrounding communities.

1606
00:53:22,567 --> 00:53:25,360
There's a real drain on our

1607
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,360
budget without the ability to

1608
00:53:28,707 --> 00:53:29,400
have access to additional

1609
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,410
revenue.

1610
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:32,577
I think it's a larger

1611
00:53:32,577 --> 00:53:33,878
conversation that we have to

1612
00:53:33,878 --> 00:53:36,810
have, obviously I put forward

1613
00:53:36,810 --> 00:53:37,215
the grt once again.

1614
00:53:37,215 --> 00:53:39,350
I think it's a larger

1615
00:53:39,350 --> 00:53:42,350
conversation that we have to

1616
00:53:42,787 --> 00:53:43,154
have on how we best use our

1617
00:53:43,154 --> 00:53:45,154
resources.

1618
00:53:45,657 --> 00:53:46,624
Just like when people come into

1619
00:53:46,624 --> 00:53:49,240
to go the gateway.

1620
00:53:49,994 --> 00:53:51,629
Those are things that -- or rio

1621
00:53:51,629 --> 00:53:53,164
rancho coming into albuquerque

1622
00:53:53,164 --> 00:53:55,733
driving on the -- we're having

1623
00:53:55,733 --> 00:53:56,340
to repave the roads and this and

1624
00:53:56,340 --> 00:53:58,340
that.

1625
00:53:58,336 --> 00:53:59,570
Those are just good partners and

1626
00:53:59,570 --> 00:54:02,407
relationships we need to figure

1627
00:54:02,407 --> 00:54:05,410
out how we help with that.

1628
00:54:05,410 --> 00:54:07,379
Even with our water treatment.

1629
00:54:07,379 --> 00:54:10,379
Obviously, that's an issue for

1630
00:54:11,983 --> 00:54:14,983
the water authority, but intel,

1631
00:54:15,887 --> 00:54:17,889
we're cleaning that water.

1632
00:54:17,889 --> 00:54:18,723
That's another burden that we

1633
00:54:18,723 --> 00:54:21,123
have as a city.

1634
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:22,694
We're the largest city in the

1635
00:54:22,694 --> 00:54:24,162
state of new mexico.

1636
00:54:24,162 --> 00:54:26,598
And we have to keep up to be

1637
00:54:26,598 --> 00:54:28,432
able to provide really good

1638
00:54:28,432 --> 00:54:31,168
services and pave our streets

1639
00:54:31,168 --> 00:54:34,168
and put street lighting and

1640
00:54:34,972 --> 00:54:37,241
we're just really, I think, each

1641
00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:38,609
city council district, similar

1642
00:54:38,609 --> 00:54:41,900
to councilor rogers's question,

1643
00:54:42,613 --> 00:54:45,160
we really need to figure out a

1644
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:45,316
way to -- that's more in our

1645
00:54:45,316 --> 00:54:47,840
city.

1646
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:48,652
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, I'll try to

1647
00:54:48,652 --> 00:54:50,354
put together some sort of

1648
00:54:50,354 --> 00:54:52,423
helpful report in that regard.

1649
00:54:52,423 --> 00:54:56,293
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you so much.

1650
00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:56,627
We're now on item five, the

1651
00:54:56,627 --> 00:54:58,627
journal.

1652
00:54:59,263 --> 00:54:59,597
I move approval of the JUNE 15th

1653
00:54:59,597 --> 00:55:01,165
journal.

1654
00:55:01,165 --> 00:55:02,700
There's a motion and second by

1655
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:03,000
committee of the whole chair

1656
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000
grout.

1657
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:08,870
[Roll call].

1658
00:55:09,106 --> 00:55:10,708
>>coun. Baca: yes.

1659
00:55:10,708 --> 00:55:12,409
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

1660
00:55:12,409 --> 00:55:14,409
>>coun. Champine: yes.

1661
00:55:14,478 --> 00:55:16,478
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

1662
00:55:16,513 --> 00:55:18,348
>>coun. Grout: yes.

1663
00:55:18,348 --> 00:55:20,348
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

1664
00:55:20,651 --> 00:55:21,485
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

1665
00:55:21,485 --> 00:55:22,520
>>coun. Telles: yes.

1666
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,540
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

1667
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:24,755
>> passes unanimously.

1668
00:55:24,755 --> 00:55:26,957
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

1669
00:55:26,957 --> 00:55:28,225
We're now on communications and

1670
00:55:28,225 --> 00:55:28,492
introductions, which is item

1671
00:55:28,492 --> 00:55:30,260
six.

1672
00:55:30,260 --> 00:55:31,280
Are there any changes to the

1673
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,280
letter of introduction?

1674
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:34,464
I have one.

1675
00:55:34,464 --> 00:55:35,732
Ec-195, I move the rules be

1676
00:55:35,732 --> 00:55:38,732
suspended for the purpose of

1677
00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:42,239
placing ec-195 on tonight's

1678
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:43,273
agenda for action.

1679
00:55:43,273 --> 00:55:44,942
Authorizing social services

1680
00:55:44,942 --> 00:55:46,276
agreement with new mexico

1681
00:55:46,276 --> 00:55:48,276
veteran's integration center

1682
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:50,547
utilizing opioid settlement fund

1683
00:55:50,547 --> 00:55:52,947
appropriations as outlined in

1684
00:55:54,484 --> 00:55:56,420
city council r-25-128.

1685
00:55:56,420 --> 00:55:58,820
I make a motion.

1686
00:55:58,922 --> 00:56:00,824
There's a motion, and a second

1687
00:56:00,824 --> 00:56:02,824
by councilor rogers.

1688
00:56:03,393 --> 00:56:05,793
We need two-thirds vote.

1689
00:56:07,464 --> 00:56:09,464
[Roll call].

1690
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,835
>>coun. Baca: yes.

1691
00:56:11,835 --> 00:56:13,203
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

1692
00:56:13,203 --> 00:56:15,203
>>coun. Champine: yes.

1693
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:17,839
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

1694
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:20,310
>>coun. Grout: yes.

1695
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:22,212
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

1696
00:56:22,212 --> 00:56:23,460
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

1697
00:56:23,460 --> 00:56:23,647
>>coun. Telles: yes.

1698
00:56:23,647 --> 00:56:25,782
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

1699
00:56:25,782 --> 00:56:27,317
>> passes unanimously.

1700
00:56:27,317 --> 00:56:29,850
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

1701
00:56:29,850 --> 00:56:30,854
Ec-196, I move the rules be

1702
00:56:30,854 --> 00:56:33,854
suspended for the purpose of

1703
00:56:34,257 --> 00:56:35,859
placing ec-196 on tonight's

1704
00:56:35,859 --> 00:56:37,859
janned for action.

1705
00:56:39,863 --> 00:56:41,998
It's to increase funding for

1706
00:56:41,998 --> 00:56:42,732
substance treatment contract

1707
00:56:42,732 --> 00:56:43,660
with albuquerque behavioral

1708
00:56:43,660 --> 00:56:44,567
health.

1709
00:56:44,567 --> 00:56:45,101
There's motion and second by

1710
00:56:45,101 --> 00:56:47,101
councilor grout.

1711
00:56:47,804 --> 00:56:48,104
This also requires a two-thirds

1712
00:56:48,104 --> 00:56:50,104
vote.

1713
00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:52,940
[Roll call].

1714
00:56:53,209 --> 00:56:54,777
>>coun. Baca: yes.

1715
00:56:54,777 --> 00:56:56,212
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

1716
00:56:56,212 --> 00:56:58,147
>>coun. Champine: yes.

1717
00:56:58,147 --> 00:56:59,916
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

1718
00:56:59,916 --> 00:57:01,916
>>coun. Grout: yes.

1719
00:57:02,185 --> 00:57:04,200
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

1720
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,321
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

1721
00:57:05,321 --> 00:57:05,955
>>coun. Telles: yes.

1722
00:57:05,955 --> 00:57:07,323
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

1723
00:57:07,323 --> 00:57:09,158
>> passes unanimously.

1724
00:57:09,158 --> 00:57:09,492
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

1725
00:57:09,492 --> 00:57:11,194
Ec-197.

1726
00:57:11,194 --> 00:57:13,395
I move that the rules be sus

1727
00:57:13,395 --> 00:57:14,698
pend for the purpose of placing

1728
00:57:14,698 --> 00:57:17,330
ec-197 on tonight's agenda for

1729
00:57:17,330 --> 00:57:17,299
action.

1730
00:57:17,299 --> 00:57:19,299
Ec-

1731
00:57:19,835 --> 00:57:22,835
ec-197 is approval to increase

1732
00:57:23,806 --> 00:57:26,375
funding for fy27 substance abuse

1733
00:57:26,375 --> 00:57:28,678
treatment contract with engender

1734
00:57:28,678 --> 00:57:31,678
incorporated and this does not

1735
00:57:31,915 --> 00:57:32,481
require -- yes, it does require

1736
00:57:32,481 --> 00:57:33,816
two-thirds vote.

1737
00:57:33,816 --> 00:57:35,885
There's a motion, and a second

1738
00:57:35,885 --> 00:57:37,885
by councilor grout.

1739
00:57:38,220 --> 00:57:39,989
[Roll call].

1740
00:57:39,989 --> 00:57:41,557
>>coun. Baca: yes.

1741
00:57:41,557 --> 00:57:43,292
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

1742
00:57:43,292 --> 00:57:44,527
>>coun. Champine: yes.

1743
00:57:44,527 --> 00:57:46,527
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

1744
00:57:46,562 --> 00:57:47,996
>>coun. Grout: yes.

1745
00:57:47,996 --> 00:57:49,996
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

1746
00:57:51,667 --> 00:57:53,667
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

1747
00:57:54,537 --> 00:57:55,700
>>coun. Telles: yes.

1748
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:56,939
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

1749
00:57:56,939 --> 00:57:58,939
>> passes unanimously.

1750
00:57:59,375 --> 00:58:01,343
>>coun. Pe}a: we are now --

1751
00:58:01,343 --> 00:58:03,212
councilor baca, r-54.

1752
00:58:03,212 --> 00:58:03,545
This one only requires five

1753
00:58:03,545 --> 00:58:04,346
votes.

1754
00:58:04,346 --> 00:58:05,247
>>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

1755
00:58:05,247 --> 00:58:06,782
PRESIDENT.

1756
00:58:06,782 --> 00:58:07,683
R-54, I make a motion to amend

1757
00:58:07,683 --> 00:58:10,520
the letter of introduction for

1758
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,887
the purpose of placing r-54 on

1759
00:58:11,887 --> 00:58:13,122
the AUGUST 17th council agenda

1760
00:58:13,122 --> 00:58:14,556
instead of placing it on

1761
00:58:14,556 --> 00:58:16,158
tonight's agenda for action.

1762
00:58:16,158 --> 00:58:17,726
Authorizing the execution and

1763
00:58:17,726 --> 00:58:18,995
delivery of water project fund

1764
00:58:18,995 --> 00:58:21,230
agreement between the new mexico

1765
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:23,131
finance authority and the city

1766
00:58:23,131 --> 00:58:26,100
of albuquerque in the full

1767
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:26,969
amount of $6.1 million.

1768
00:58:26,969 --> 00:58:27,803
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

1769
00:58:27,803 --> 00:58:29,803
and two seconds.

1770
00:58:30,339 --> 00:58:30,839
I'll take the second by

1771
00:58:30,839 --> 00:58:32,274
councilor rogers.

1772
00:58:32,274 --> 00:58:33,775
[Roll call].

1773
00:58:33,775 --> 00:58:35,611
>>coun. Baca: yes.

1774
00:58:35,611 --> 00:58:37,245
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

1775
00:58:37,245 --> 00:58:39,470
>>coun. Champine: yes.

1776
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:40,749
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

1777
00:58:40,749 --> 00:58:42,250
>>coun. Grout: yes.

1778
00:58:42,250 --> 00:58:43,985
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

1779
00:58:43,985 --> 00:58:45,200
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

1780
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:45,554
>>coun. Telles: yes.

1781
00:58:45,554 --> 00:58:47,550
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

1782
00:58:47,550 --> 00:58:48,290
>> passes unanimously.

1783
00:58:48,290 --> 00:58:50,525
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

1784
00:58:50,525 --> 00:58:50,826
Councilor baca, by request.

1785
00:58:50,826 --> 00:58:52,826
R-56.

1786
00:58:52,828 --> 00:58:55,130
>>coun. Baca: thank you, r-56 I

1787
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:56,565
move the rules be suspend for

1788
00:58:56,565 --> 00:58:58,533
placing r-56 on tonight's agenda

1789
00:58:58,533 --> 00:59:00,533
for action.

1790
00:59:00,936 --> 00:59:03,336
R-56 amending the adopted

1791
00:59:03,538 --> 00:59:05,538
capital implementation program

1792
00:59:06,740 --> 00:59:07,900
of the city by supplementing

1793
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:08,244
current grant and projects.

1794
00:59:08,244 --> 00:59:09,144
I move do pass.

1795
00:59:09,144 --> 00:59:10,478
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

1796
00:59:10,478 --> 00:59:12,881
and second by councilor grout.

1797
00:59:12,881 --> 00:59:13,181
This will require two-thirds

1798
00:59:13,181 --> 00:59:15,181
vote.

1799
00:59:15,317 --> 00:59:15,850
[Roll call].

1800
00:59:15,850 --> 00:59:17,180
>>coun. Baca: yes.

1801
00:59:17,180 --> 00:59:18,286
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

1802
00:59:18,286 --> 00:59:19,788
>>coun. Champine: yes.

1803
00:59:19,788 --> 00:59:21,788
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

1804
00:59:22,123 --> 00:59:23,591
>>coun. Grout: yes.

1805
00:59:23,591 --> 00:59:25,260
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

1806
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:26,227
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

1807
00:59:26,227 --> 00:59:26,861
>>coun. Telles: yes.

1808
00:59:26,861 --> 00:59:29,197
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

1809
00:59:29,197 --> 00:59:29,864
>> passes unanimously.

1810
00:59:29,864 --> 00:59:31,499
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

1811
00:59:31,499 --> 00:59:33,499
Councilor fiebelkorn, r-57.

1812
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:34,369
This will require two-thirds

1813
00:59:34,369 --> 00:59:35,136
vote.

1814
00:59:35,136 --> 00:59:35,637
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

1815
00:59:35,637 --> 00:59:36,704
MADAM PRESIDENT.

1816
00:59:36,704 --> 00:59:39,540
I move the rules be suspended

1817
00:59:39,540 --> 00:59:40,775
for placing r-57 on tonight's

1818
00:59:40,775 --> 00:59:42,775
agenda for action.

1819
00:59:43,478 --> 00:59:45,460
Dedicated state capital outlay

1820
00:59:45,460 --> 00:59:46,914
funds to specific projects and

1821
00:59:46,914 --> 00:59:49,283
phases and requiring council

1822
00:59:49,283 --> 00:59:50,284
approval of scope changes.

1823
00:59:50,284 --> 00:59:52,487
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

1824
00:59:52,487 --> 00:59:52,854
and a second by vice PRESIDENT

1825
00:59:52,854 --> 00:59:54,854
Champine.

1826
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:58,230
[Roll call].

1827
00:59:58,226 --> 00:59:59,661
>>coun. Baca: yes.

1828
00:59:59,661 --> 01:00:01,262
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

1829
01:00:01,262 --> 01:00:03,198
>>coun. Champine: yes.

1830
01:00:03,198 --> 01:00:04,799
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

1831
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:06,799
>>coun. Grout: yes.

1832
01:00:06,934 --> 01:00:08,934
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

1833
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:10,204
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

1834
01:00:10,204 --> 01:00:10,805
>>coun. Telles: yes.

1835
01:00:10,805 --> 01:00:13,205
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

1836
01:00:13,474 --> 01:00:14,141
>> passes unanimously.

1837
01:00:14,141 --> 01:00:17,141
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

1838
01:00:17,445 --> 01:00:17,878
I move approval of the letter of

1839
01:00:17,878 --> 01:00:19,130
introduction.

1840
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:19,313
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: point of

1841
01:00:19,313 --> 01:00:20,548
order.

1842
01:00:20,548 --> 01:00:22,160
Thank you.

1843
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,170
I would request the PRESIDENT

1844
01:00:23,170 --> 01:00:25,170
Determine whether the

1845
01:00:26,921 --> 01:00:30,521
introduction of r-58 is out of

1846
01:00:31,392 --> 01:00:33,394
order based on violation of

1847
01:00:33,394 --> 01:00:36,394
robert's rule of order which

1848
01:00:37,631 --> 01:00:39,631
prohibits improper motion.

1849
01:00:39,733 --> 01:00:43,137
as a reminder in robert's rules,

1850
01:00:43,137 --> 01:00:45,773
it does state that no motion can

1851
01:00:45,773 --> 01:00:47,875
be renewed during the same

1852
01:00:47,875 --> 01:00:51,475
session which it has aural been

1853
01:00:52,146 --> 01:00:55,282
before the the assembly, and the

1854
01:00:55,282 --> 01:00:57,351
similar questions cannot be

1855
01:00:57,351 --> 01:00:59,286
brought up a second time.

1856
01:00:59,286 --> 01:01:00,254
The session for this council is

1857
01:01:00,254 --> 01:01:02,890
two years long.

1858
01:01:02,890 --> 01:01:04,580
We're on the 15th meeting of the

1859
01:01:04,580 --> 01:01:04,692
27th council.

1860
01:01:04,692 --> 01:01:05,960
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor

1861
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:06,793
fiebelkorn, what bill are you

1862
01:01:06,793 --> 01:01:08,793
referring to?

1863
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:13,667
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: it is r-58.

1864
01:01:13,667 --> 01:01:14,835
>>coun. Pe}a: which we don't

1865
01:01:14,835 --> 01:01:16,236
have in front of us.

1866
01:01:16,236 --> 01:01:18,472
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: that is the

1867
01:01:18,472 --> 01:01:22,720
gross receipts tax bill that has

1868
01:01:22,176 --> 01:01:24,611
been voted down three times

1869
01:01:24,611 --> 01:01:27,110
already this calendar year.

1870
01:01:27,648 --> 01:01:28,582
I would say this is

1871
01:01:28,582 --> 01:01:29,984
substantially the same what is

1872
01:01:29,984 --> 01:01:31,180
being proposed tonight.

1873
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:34,180
I don't believe it qualifies

1874
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:37,525
under the rules that we have for

1875
01:01:37,525 --> 01:01:38,125
council.

1876
01:01:38,125 --> 01:01:38,925
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

1877
01:01:38,925 --> 01:01:40,794
I got it.

1878
01:01:40,794 --> 01:01:41,128
We're just shuffling papers.

1879
01:01:41,128 --> 01:01:43,630
Around.

1880
01:01:43,630 --> 01:01:45,463
Thank you so much.

1881
01:01:45,899 --> 01:01:47,601
I think I will defer to the city

1882
01:01:47,601 --> 01:01:49,601
attorney.

1883
01:01:50,137 --> 01:01:53,737
I will actually go through some

1884
01:01:54,574 --> 01:01:59,974
of -- let me find -- this is not

1885
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,280
on the agenda.

1886
01:02:03,149 --> 01:02:04,184
I think this is the second time

1887
01:02:04,184 --> 01:02:06,860
with the grt.

1888
01:02:06,860 --> 01:02:06,453
It's not the third time,

1889
01:02:06,453 --> 01:02:07,220
correct?

1890
01:02:07,220 --> 01:02:09,220
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM

1891
01:02:09,222 --> 01:02:09,823
PRESIDENT, I can answer that

1892
01:02:09,823 --> 01:02:11,823
question for you.

1893
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:18,640
We've voted down o-26-16.

1894
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:18,364
Which was back earlier this

1895
01:02:18,364 --> 01:02:20,364
year.

1896
01:02:21,768 --> 01:02:23,102
And then we also voted down

1897
01:02:23,102 --> 01:02:26,102
r-26-43, which was recent.

1898
01:02:26,472 --> 01:02:28,741
And then there was a motion to

1899
01:02:28,741 --> 01:02:31,141
reconsider that failure, and

1900
01:02:31,544 --> 01:02:34,113
that also was voted down by this

1901
01:02:34,113 --> 01:02:36,113
council.

1902
01:02:36,383 --> 01:02:39,652
I believe a gross receipt tax

1903
01:02:39,652 --> 01:02:41,921
has been voted down three times

1904
01:02:41,921 --> 01:02:42,422
by this council in this calendar

1905
01:02:42,422 --> 01:02:43,756
year.

1906
01:02:43,756 --> 01:02:46,426
>>coun. Pe}a: yes, working with

1907
01:02:46,426 --> 01:02:48,127
our attorneys, it really has to

1908
01:02:48,127 --> 01:02:49,896
have some change to it in order

1909
01:02:49,896 --> 01:02:52,980
for it to be a different bill.

1910
01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:54,498
This one is prettily

1911
01:02:56,836 --> 01:02:57,337
substantially different.

1912
01:02:57,337 --> 01:02:58,438
O-26-57 structure

1913
01:02:58,438 --> 01:03:00,438
ally different

1914
01:03:01,607 --> 01:03:02,408
approach designed with stronger

1915
01:03:02,408 --> 01:03:04,277
taxpayer protection guarantee

1916
01:03:04,277 --> 01:03:05,978
which the last one did not have.

1917
01:03:05,978 --> 01:03:07,978
Long-term fiscal responsibility.

1918
01:03:08,981 --> 01:03:10,416
Unlike past proposals this

1919
01:03:10,416 --> 01:03:12,118
establishes clear boundaries on

1920
01:03:12,118 --> 01:03:14,187
how funds are allocated, spent,

1921
01:03:14,187 --> 01:03:16,187
and sustained.

1922
01:03:16,522 --> 01:03:18,922
Balance allocation, we shifted

1923
01:03:19,925 --> 01:03:22,762
from 50-50 split which we added

1924
01:03:22,762 --> 01:03:25,598
for more operation and 47 for

1925
01:03:25,598 --> 01:03:27,598
capital projects.

1926
01:03:28,267 --> 01:03:28,801
Operational funding remains

1927
01:03:28,801 --> 01:03:29,601
main z

1928
01:03:29,601 --> 01:03:31,170
mains

1929
01:03:31,170 --> 01:03:34,140
permanent to support on going

1930
01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:36,275
services, the capital portion

1931
01:03:36,275 --> 01:03:36,575
automatically ceases after 21

1932
01:03:36,575 --> 01:03:37,676
years.

1933
01:03:37,676 --> 01:03:40,676
We didn't have that before.

1934
01:03:40,913 --> 01:03:43,516
With the capital, we're all --

1935
01:03:43,516 --> 01:03:46,185
if it were to pass and go to the

1936
01:03:46,185 --> 01:03:47,486
taxpayers, which I think is

1937
01:03:47,486 --> 01:03:49,522
paramount, this is really, I

1938
01:03:49,522 --> 01:03:53,122
feel, the fact the bill hasn't

1939
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,360
passed so many times is really

1940
01:03:59,432 --> 01:04:00,466
unfair to the taxpayers.

1941
01:04:00,466 --> 01:04:01,667
I have confidence in taxpayers

1942
01:04:01,667 --> 01:04:03,735
to make the right decision.

1943
01:04:03,735 --> 01:04:04,803
If they decide not to pass it,

1944
01:04:04,803 --> 01:04:07,803
that's what their decision is.

1945
01:04:07,906 --> 01:04:09,975
We get people coming here are

1946
01:04:09,975 --> 01:04:10,876
the time saying let us make the

1947
01:04:10,876 --> 01:04:12,678
decisions, this is a decision

1948
01:04:12,678 --> 01:04:14,678
for the taxpayer.

1949
01:04:14,713 --> 01:04:15,447
i'm just proposing we put it on

1950
01:04:15,447 --> 01:04:17,316
the ballot.

1951
01:04:17,316 --> 01:04:20,316
And protecting the wages for

1952
01:04:20,652 --> 01:04:24,252
employees, we have a specific in

1953
01:04:24,790 --> 01:04:26,325
there for employees to outline

1954
01:04:26,325 --> 01:04:28,493
they would be part of this bill.

1955
01:04:28,493 --> 01:04:29,595
It's not here or there or maybe

1956
01:04:29,595 --> 01:04:31,330
or maybe not.

1957
01:04:31,330 --> 01:04:34,330
I think this really guarantees

1958
01:04:34,666 --> 01:04:37,660
protections for our employees.

1959
01:04:37,769 --> 01:04:40,769
And then, the other strong

1960
01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:45,510
language in here is that it's to

1961
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:47,510
supplement, not supplant.

1962
01:04:48,781 --> 01:04:50,582
Some of the services, as you

1963
01:04:50,582 --> 01:04:52,500
know, it could be this

1964
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:53,840
administration or other

1965
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,484
administrations that they can

1966
01:04:55,987 --> 01:04:57,556
use it to sustain current

1967
01:04:57,556 --> 01:04:58,456
operations that the city of

1968
01:04:58,456 --> 01:04:59,491
albuquerque has.

1969
01:04:59,491 --> 01:04:59,991
This actually protects from

1970
01:04:59,991 --> 01:05:01,991
doing that.

1971
01:05:03,595 --> 01:05:07,650
It ensures this new money goes

1972
01:05:07,650 --> 01:05:09,634
to new services and new

1973
01:05:09,634 --> 01:05:10,350
operations for the city of

1974
01:05:10,350 --> 01:05:12,400
albuquerque.

1975
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,672
MS. Keefe, I don't know if you

1976
01:05:14,672 --> 01:05:17,672
can answer the question further.

1977
01:05:18,576 --> 01:05:20,976
>> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

1978
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,215
I just -- I don't construe the

1979
01:05:24,215 --> 01:05:27,215
council to operate in session.

1980
01:05:27,952 --> 01:05:31,890
The rule of order has a specific

1981
01:05:31,890 --> 01:05:32,824
definition of a session.

1982
01:05:32,824 --> 01:05:35,426
In contrast, the new mexico

1983
01:05:35,426 --> 01:05:37,826
legislature operates in sessions

1984
01:05:38,763 --> 01:05:39,970
and bills die at the end of a

1985
01:05:39,970 --> 01:05:41,970
session.

1986
01:05:41,432 --> 01:05:42,660
We don't have a session where

1987
01:05:42,660 --> 01:05:44,660
bills die.

1988
01:05:44,102 --> 01:05:44,469
We have calendar from jan to

1989
01:05:44,469 --> 01:05:46,469
DECEMBER.

1990
01:05:46,971 --> 01:05:48,673
If a bill is pending it carries

1991
01:05:48,673 --> 01:05:50,975
over to next JANUARY, that's

1992
01:05:50,975 --> 01:05:51,943
true if it's this council or

1993
01:05:51,943 --> 01:05:53,943
next council.

1994
01:05:53,945 --> 01:05:55,880
There's no reference to session

1995
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,482
in the council's rules.

1996
01:05:57,482 --> 01:05:59,417
When the calendar is passed it's

1997
01:05:59,417 --> 01:06:01,385
not referred to as a session or

1998
01:06:01,385 --> 01:06:03,121
part of a session.

1999
01:06:03,121 --> 01:06:07,321
i don't think the rule cited is

2000
01:06:07,692 --> 01:06:08,359
applicable.

2001
01:06:08,359 --> 01:06:09,727
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM

2002
01:06:09,727 --> 01:06:10,328
PRESIDENT, MAY I respond to

2003
01:06:10,328 --> 01:06:10,962
that?

2004
01:06:10,962 --> 01:06:11,362
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor

2005
01:06:11,362 --> 01:06:12,163
fiebelkorn.

2006
01:06:12,163 --> 01:06:14,398
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: that is very

2007
01:06:14,398 --> 01:06:16,867
interesting because we have been

2008
01:06:16,867 --> 01:06:19,370
working under this rule for the

2009
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:19,704
entire time I've been on

2010
01:06:19,704 --> 01:06:20,971
council.

2011
01:06:20,971 --> 01:06:22,373
I've specifically not

2012
01:06:22,373 --> 01:06:24,773
reintroduced bill for the

2013
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:26,678
mandatory two-year wait period.

2014
01:06:26,678 --> 01:06:28,779
If we are going to hear this

2015
01:06:28,779 --> 01:06:31,820
bill tonight, I look forward to

2016
01:06:31,820 --> 01:06:33,500
reintroducing rank choice voting

2017
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:34,585
immediately and also my full

2018
01:06:34,585 --> 01:06:35,920
renter's bill of rights

2019
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,889
immediately and I will continue

2020
01:06:38,889 --> 01:06:40,724
to keep those on the dais as

2021
01:06:40,724 --> 01:06:41,826
long as I possibly can.

2022
01:06:41,826 --> 01:06:44,362
Because now I'm being told there

2023
01:06:44,362 --> 01:06:46,764
are no rules that say that we do

2024
01:06:46,764 --> 01:06:49,164
not repeat bills immediately

2025
01:06:51,302 --> 01:06:51,969
upon their failure.

2026
01:06:51,969 --> 01:06:52,569
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you,

2027
01:06:52,569 --> 01:06:54,271
councilor fiebelkorn.

2028
01:06:54,271 --> 01:06:55,372
I think it does state the bill

2029
01:06:55,372 --> 01:06:57,508
does have to differ.

2030
01:06:57,508 --> 01:06:58,750
If you introduce it has to

2031
01:06:58,750 --> 01:06:58,942
differ somewhat.

2032
01:06:58,942 --> 01:07:00,510
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM

2033
01:07:00,510 --> 01:07:01,812
PRESIDENT, the bill in front of

2034
01:07:01,812 --> 01:07:03,614
us is substantially the same as

2035
01:07:03,614 --> 01:07:03,948
the bill we voted down twice

2036
01:07:03,948 --> 01:07:05,948
already.

2037
01:07:06,884 --> 01:07:10,720
I did a line by line, word by

2038
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,720
word analysis changing 50-50 to

2039
01:07:14,925 --> 01:07:15,859
47-53 and adding one

2040
01:07:15,859 --> 01:07:17,859
three-paragraph new paragraph

2041
01:07:18,362 --> 01:07:19,830
and three-sentence paragraph in

2042
01:07:19,830 --> 01:07:21,832
there, strategic editing doesn't

2043
01:07:21,832 --> 01:07:23,567
create a new question.

2044
01:07:23,567 --> 01:07:25,469
This will be the fourth time

2045
01:07:25,469 --> 01:07:28,710
that the citizens of albuquerque

2046
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:29,306
have had this voted down by this

2047
01:07:29,306 --> 01:07:31,306
council tonight.

2048
01:07:33,610 --> 01:07:36,847
I was asking for a ruling by the

2049
01:07:36,847 --> 01:07:38,915
president to determine if this

2050
01:07:38,915 --> 01:07:41,840
was in vailation of robert's

2051
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:42,719
rule of order.

2052
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:43,887
>>coun. Pe}a: before I go to

2053
01:07:43,887 --> 01:07:46,887
you, vice PRESIDENT Champine, I

2054
01:07:50,627 --> 01:07:52,462
would say that it is not.

2055
01:07:52,462 --> 01:07:55,462
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you, I

2056
01:07:55,566 --> 01:07:56,166
move that the council appeal the

2057
01:07:56,166 --> 01:07:56,967
PRESIDENT's decision.

2058
01:07:56,967 --> 01:07:59,369
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

2059
01:07:59,369 --> 01:08:01,369
and a second.

2060
01:08:05,475 --> 01:08:07,475
[Roll call].

2061
01:08:08,678 --> 01:08:10,678
>>coun. Baca: yes.

2062
01:08:13,683 --> 01:08:15,683
>>coun. Bassan: no.

2063
01:08:16,953 --> 01:08:18,953
>>coun. Champine: yes.

2064
01:08:22,580 --> 01:08:24,580
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

2065
01:08:25,940 --> 01:08:27,940
>>coun. Grout: yes.

2066
01:08:28,970 --> 01:08:30,970
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

2067
01:08:31,167 --> 01:08:33,167
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

2068
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:35,906
>>coun. Telles: yes.

2069
01:08:35,906 --> 01:08:38,306
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

2070
01:08:41,778 --> 01:08:45,181
>> it passes on a 7-2 vote.

2071
01:08:45,181 --> 01:08:46,883
>>coun. Pe}a: formalities -- how

2072
01:08:46,883 --> 01:08:48,510
would you -- what's the process

2073
01:08:48,510 --> 01:08:50,510
now for formalities?

2074
01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:53,423
Before we go to that, I just

2075
01:08:53,423 --> 01:08:55,958
want to say, you know, we

2076
01:08:55,958 --> 01:08:57,760
have -- this is really -- you

2077
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,962
know, I expected this to be kind

2078
01:08:59,962 --> 01:09:01,970
of dead in the water.

2079
01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:02,632
I've already talked to some of

2080
01:09:02,632 --> 01:09:03,734
the union folks and let them

2081
01:09:03,734 --> 01:09:04,660
know it's probably dead in the

2082
01:09:04,660 --> 01:09:06,660
water.

2083
01:09:07,236 --> 01:09:10,339
I wanted to make sure to try to

2084
01:09:10,339 --> 01:09:10,673
bring this back as a last-ditch

2085
01:09:10,673 --> 01:09:12,208
effort.

2086
01:09:12,208 --> 01:09:13,109
As you think, I'm going to

2087
01:09:13,109 --> 01:09:16,109
rehash some of what councilor

2088
01:09:16,612 --> 01:09:19,612
bassan said at one point.

2089
01:09:23,353 --> 01:09:24,887
We have a budget -- I just

2090
01:09:24,887 --> 01:09:25,788
described our budget we have

2091
01:09:25,788 --> 01:09:27,788
with our grt.

2092
01:09:28,557 --> 01:09:30,920
The truth of the matter is we

2093
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,692
don't grow it by that much.

2094
01:09:36,499 --> 01:09:38,734
We're held hostage, by lack of a

2095
01:09:38,734 --> 01:09:41,704
better word, but we base most of

2096
01:09:41,704 --> 01:09:44,730
our entire budget on the grt.

2097
01:09:44,730 --> 01:09:45,774
When we talk about flexibility

2098
01:09:45,774 --> 01:09:48,477
and services that the community

2099
01:09:48,477 --> 01:09:51,581
wants and needs and the trash

2100
01:09:51,581 --> 01:09:53,149
picked up and all the pictures

2101
01:09:53,149 --> 01:09:55,549
that councilor rogers just

2102
01:09:56,485 --> 01:09:58,860
showed minutes ago, all those

2103
01:09:58,860 --> 01:09:59,521
things require staff needed to

2104
01:09:59,521 --> 01:10:01,924
be able to do those things.

2105
01:10:01,924 --> 01:10:04,526
And when you look at our budget

2106
01:10:04,526 --> 01:10:05,600
you hear we don't have enough

2107
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:06,261
staff.

2108
01:10:06,261 --> 01:10:08,261
We have vacancies.

2109
01:10:09,498 --> 01:10:10,650
We're not paying our staff

2110
01:10:10,650 --> 01:10:12,000
adequately.

2111
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:12,468
They're going to other

2112
01:10:12,468 --> 01:10:13,902
municipalities.

2113
01:10:13,902 --> 01:10:15,700
They're leaving the city.

2114
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:18,700
Before, many years ago, working

2115
01:10:18,874 --> 01:10:19,575
for the city of albuquerque was

2116
01:10:19,575 --> 01:10:21,575
paramount.

2117
01:10:21,843 --> 01:10:23,512
That's how you -- when you're in

2118
01:10:23,512 --> 01:10:25,147
poverty or when you're working

2119
01:10:25,147 --> 01:10:28,583
class that's how you got out by

2120
01:10:28,583 --> 01:10:30,952
getting a job that provided

2121
01:10:30,952 --> 01:10:32,952
benefits and security.

2122
01:10:33,655 --> 01:10:33,922
And government has not been that

2123
01:10:33,922 --> 01:10:35,922
way.

2124
01:10:36,525 --> 01:10:37,225
We haven't done a good job of

2125
01:10:37,225 --> 01:10:39,225
doing that.

2126
01:10:40,462 --> 01:10:42,731
I mentioned this last time, I've

2127
01:10:42,731 --> 01:10:45,634
been on council for 12 years.

2128
01:10:45,634 --> 01:10:48,634
Of those 12 years, our city

2129
01:10:49,771 --> 01:10:53,371
employees have not been able to

2130
01:10:53,742 --> 01:10:55,377
receive a significant wage

2131
01:10:55,377 --> 01:10:56,545
increase to really even keep up

2132
01:10:56,545 --> 01:10:58,945
with cost of living.

2133
01:10:59,548 --> 01:11:00,715
When we ask ourselves why aren't

2134
01:11:00,715 --> 01:11:02,851
these things happening in the

2135
01:11:02,851 --> 01:11:06,721
way we would like to see them

2136
01:11:06,721 --> 01:11:07,288
happen in our community, it's

2137
01:11:07,288 --> 01:11:08,923
going to continue.

2138
01:11:08,923 --> 01:11:09,591
Because if we do nothing, we

2139
01:11:09,591 --> 01:11:11,591
have the same.

2140
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:16,798
If we do something -- not us as

2141
01:11:16,798 --> 01:11:19,334
a council doing it, this vote

2142
01:11:19,334 --> 01:11:21,436
right now really took the

2143
01:11:21,436 --> 01:11:23,738
ability away from you the voters

2144
01:11:23,738 --> 01:11:26,574
to make the decision whether we

2145
01:11:26,574 --> 01:11:29,574
should do this or not.

2146
01:11:30,779 --> 01:11:32,779
Thank you.

2147
01:11:35,316 --> 01:11:36,918
Formalities.

2148
01:11:36,918 --> 01:11:38,519
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, in

2149
01:11:38,519 --> 01:11:39,454
consulting with the clerk of the

2150
01:11:39,454 --> 01:11:41,854
council, the letter of

2151
01:11:43,358 --> 01:11:45,626
introduction will be amended to

2152
01:11:45,626 --> 01:11:47,950
remove that bill from the letter

2153
01:11:47,950 --> 01:11:49,597
and it will be reflected in the

2154
01:11:49,597 --> 01:11:51,799
journal that the vote was taken

2155
01:11:51,799 --> 01:11:52,400
to take that off.

2156
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,102
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

2157
01:11:54,102 --> 01:11:56,502
Thank you so much.

2158
01:11:57,872 --> 01:11:58,773
We can proceed?

2159
01:11:58,773 --> 01:12:00,773
Okay.

2160
01:12:00,842 --> 01:12:02,430
MADAM Clerk.

2161
01:12:02,430 --> 01:12:03,144
>> this is approval of the

2162
01:12:03,144 --> 01:12:05,144
letter of introduction.

2163
01:12:06,547 --> 01:12:09,547
Did I get a second?

2164
01:12:09,817 --> 01:12:11,552
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

2165
01:12:11,552 --> 01:12:14,552
Did you get the person?

2166
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,560
[Roll call].

2167
01:12:18,626 --> 01:12:19,628
>>coun. Baca: yes.

2168
01:12:19,628 --> 01:12:22,280
>>coun. Bassan: repeat what

2169
01:12:22,196 --> 01:12:24,196
we're voting on.

2170
01:12:24,899 --> 01:12:26,899
Thank you, yes.

2171
01:12:26,967 --> 01:12:28,967
>>coun. Champine: yes.

2172
01:12:29,837 --> 01:12:31,837
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

2173
01:12:31,839 --> 01:12:33,839
>>coun. Grout: yes.

2174
01:12:33,974 --> 01:12:35,974
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

2175
01:12:36,977 --> 01:12:37,545
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

2176
01:12:37,545 --> 01:12:39,545
>>coun. Telles: yes.

2177
01:12:46,354 --> 01:12:48,754
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

2178
01:12:53,628 --> 01:12:55,628
8-1.

2179
01:12:58,165 --> 01:13:00,165
Got it?

2180
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:01,368
We are now on item 7, reports of

2181
01:13:01,368 --> 01:13:02,302
committee.

2182
01:13:02,302 --> 01:13:04,302
There are none.

2183
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:07,500
Deferrals and withdrawals,

2184
01:13:07,141 --> 01:13:09,541
councilors, are there any

2185
01:13:11,912 --> 01:13:13,680
deferrals or withdrawals?

2186
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:13,981
Committee of the whole chair

2187
01:13:13,981 --> 01:13:15,981
grout.

2188
01:13:16,650 --> 01:13:20,250
>>coun. Grout: I'd like to pull

2189
01:13:25,459 --> 01:13:26,827
ec-26-160.

2190
01:13:26,827 --> 01:13:29,463
>>coun. Pe}a: on the consent

2191
01:13:29,463 --> 01:13:31,463
agenda.

2192
01:13:31,965 --> 01:13:35,669
Did you want to read it off?

2193
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:37,669
>>coun. Grout: sure.

2194
01:13:37,737 --> 01:13:39,439
Ec-160 is approval of the

2195
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,740
agreement with home wise

2196
01:13:41,740 --> 01:13:42,142
incorporated to utilize housing

2197
01:13:42,142 --> 01:13:43,811
and neighborhood economic

2198
01:13:43,811 --> 01:13:46,811
development funds in the amount

2199
01:13:48,381 --> 01:13:50,830
of $2.8 million to administer

2200
01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:51,418
homeowner rehabilitation

2201
01:13:51,418 --> 01:13:53,418
program.

2202
01:13:54,621 --> 01:13:56,589
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

2203
01:13:56,589 --> 01:13:58,758
Now, we don't need a second.

2204
01:13:58,758 --> 01:14:00,628
Thank you, councilor rogers.

2205
01:14:00,628 --> 01:14:02,329
With that, for the individuals

2206
01:14:02,329 --> 01:14:04,297
on tonight's consent agenda

2207
01:14:04,297 --> 01:14:05,298
being appointed tosoever on a

2208
01:14:05,298 --> 01:14:07,167
board or commission thank you

2209
01:14:07,167 --> 01:14:10,167
for your willingness to serve.

2210
01:14:10,437 --> 01:14:10,770
I move proval of the consent

2211
01:14:10,770 --> 01:14:11,571
agenda.

2212
01:14:11,571 --> 01:14:12,720
I'll take it now.

2213
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:13,139
Councilor rogers.

2214
01:14:13,139 --> 01:14:13,773
There's a motion, and a second

2215
01:14:13,773 --> 01:14:15,542
by councilor rogers.

2216
01:14:15,542 --> 01:14:17,542
[Roll call].

2217
01:14:17,677 --> 01:14:19,445
>>coun. Baca: yes.

2218
01:14:19,445 --> 01:14:21,347
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

2219
01:14:21,347 --> 01:14:23,347
>>coun. Champine: yes.

2220
01:14:23,483 --> 01:14:25,318
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

2221
01:14:25,318 --> 01:14:27,318
>>coun. Grout: yes.

2222
01:14:27,887 --> 01:14:29,887
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

2223
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:32,250
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

2224
01:14:32,250 --> 01:14:32,759
>>coun. Telles: yes.

2225
01:14:32,759 --> 01:14:35,610
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

2226
01:14:35,610 --> 01:14:35,728
>> passes unanimously.

2227
01:14:35,728 --> 01:14:36,229
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

2228
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:38,229
Councilor grout.

2229
01:14:38,297 --> 01:14:38,698
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

2230
01:14:38,698 --> 01:14:40,698
PRESIDENT.

2231
01:14:41,968 --> 01:14:42,335
I'm very interested in this

2232
01:14:42,335 --> 01:14:44,335
program.

2233
01:14:44,404 --> 01:14:46,105
I think it's wonderful.

2234
01:14:46,105 --> 01:14:49,105
I have a few questions.

2235
01:14:49,308 --> 01:14:51,578
First of all, it took -- this

2236
01:14:51,578 --> 01:14:51,844
rfp went out two, three years

2237
01:14:51,844 --> 01:14:52,945
ago.

2238
01:14:52,945 --> 01:14:54,945
Three years ago.

2239
01:14:57,550 --> 01:14:57,917
And it's just now coming to

2240
01:14:57,917 --> 01:14:59,917
council.

2241
01:15:01,888 --> 01:15:02,254
Can someone explain a little

2242
01:15:02,254 --> 01:15:04,156
bit?

2243
01:15:04,156 --> 01:15:06,156
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

2244
01:15:07,293 --> 01:15:09,428
grout, director ramirez is here.

2245
01:15:09,428 --> 01:15:12,565
You can speak with our new

2246
01:15:12,565 --> 01:15:14,965
deputy director, jordan barela,

2247
01:15:15,267 --> 01:15:17,703
to speak to this specific

2248
01:15:17,703 --> 01:15:19,703
contract.

2249
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:21,507
>> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

2250
01:15:21,507 --> 01:15:23,907
Councilor grout, the timing

2251
01:15:23,943 --> 01:15:25,770
related to the home wise

2252
01:15:25,770 --> 01:15:25,445
contract did take quite

2253
01:15:25,445 --> 01:15:27,413
sometime.

2254
01:15:27,413 --> 01:15:29,248
As I understand it from staff,

2255
01:15:29,248 --> 01:15:30,482
the rfp was submitted in

2256
01:15:30,482 --> 01:15:31,717
SEPTEMBER of 2023.

2257
01:15:31,717 --> 01:15:33,719
Some of the issues pertain to

2258
01:15:33,719 --> 01:15:35,487
the rfp review committee as far

2259
01:15:35,487 --> 01:15:38,487
as the timing was concerned.

2260
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:42,910
This program is funded through

2261
01:15:42,294 --> 01:15:44,630
our fund which requires members

2262
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:46,632
to be on the ad hoc committee.

2263
01:15:46,632 --> 01:15:48,400
It was very difficult to get two

2264
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:48,767
members to go through the entire

2265
01:15:48,767 --> 01:15:50,767
process.

2266
01:15:50,970 --> 01:15:52,805
A few members had to change a

2267
01:15:52,805 --> 01:15:54,440
couple times which stalled the

2268
01:15:54,440 --> 01:15:55,140
reward.

2269
01:15:55,140 --> 01:15:57,540
>>coun. Grout: thank you.

2270
01:15:58,811 --> 01:16:00,913
I'm looking at a map of the

2271
01:16:00,913 --> 01:16:02,913
pockets of poverty.

2272
01:16:03,882 --> 01:16:05,484
Can that be expanded at all?

2273
01:16:05,484 --> 01:16:07,219
It's very concentrated.

2274
01:16:07,219 --> 01:16:08,587
I know there are other areas in

2275
01:16:08,587 --> 01:16:08,887
the city that can benefit from

2276
01:16:08,887 --> 01:16:10,887
this.

2277
01:16:11,256 --> 01:16:14,326
How can we make that change?

2278
01:16:14,326 --> 01:16:16,326
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

2279
01:16:17,929 --> 01:16:19,698
grout, to go back to the history

2280
01:16:19,698 --> 01:16:21,266
of the program, it was initially

2281
01:16:21,266 --> 01:16:22,340
funded through an urban

2282
01:16:22,340 --> 01:16:24,202
development action grant that

2283
01:16:24,202 --> 01:16:25,137
was provided by hud.

2284
01:16:25,137 --> 01:16:26,638
At the time that grant, I

2285
01:16:26,638 --> 01:16:29,708
believe it was awarded in the

2286
01:16:29,708 --> 01:16:30,542
80s, was provided for economic

2287
01:16:30,542 --> 01:16:32,542
development activities.

2288
01:16:33,178 --> 01:16:34,279
The loan proceeds were provided

2289
01:16:34,279 --> 01:16:36,279
for the program.

2290
01:16:36,915 --> 01:16:38,617
As I understand one of the

2291
01:16:38,617 --> 01:16:40,520
requirements is the loan

2292
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,200
proceeds be used in the pocket

2293
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:43,789
of poverty which is why the

2294
01:16:43,789 --> 01:16:45,757
ordinance is set up this way.

2295
01:16:45,757 --> 01:16:47,792
In terms of whether that map can

2296
01:16:47,792 --> 01:16:50,229
be readdressed at this point in

2297
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:51,263
time, that's a question that was

2298
01:16:51,263 --> 01:16:52,297
brought to my attention.

2299
01:16:52,297 --> 01:16:53,398
that's something we going to

2300
01:16:53,398 --> 01:16:55,133
have to research to determine if

2301
01:16:55,133 --> 01:16:57,502
those requirements are removed

2302
01:16:57,502 --> 01:16:58,203
to make that change.

2303
01:16:58,203 --> 01:17:00,603
>>coun. Grout: thank you.

2304
01:17:00,705 --> 01:17:02,741
I personally would like to defer

2305
01:17:02,741 --> 01:17:04,576
this ec a couple weeks and work

2306
01:17:04,576 --> 01:17:08,313
on it to see what we can do if

2307
01:17:08,313 --> 01:17:08,680
we need to make changes to the

2308
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,680
ordinance.

2309
01:17:12,450 --> 01:17:14,190
I do believe there's more -- a

2310
01:17:14,190 --> 01:17:14,719
broader area that could benefit

2311
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:16,540
from this.

2312
01:17:16,540 --> 01:17:18,454
It's a great program.

2313
01:17:18,723 --> 01:17:21,123
I'm all for it.

2314
01:17:21,426 --> 01:17:24,362
I think the rfp went out three

2315
01:17:24,362 --> 01:17:25,530
years ago, AUGUST 21st.

2316
01:17:25,530 --> 01:17:27,530
That's three years.

2317
01:17:27,765 --> 01:17:29,667
I don't think two weeks is going

2318
01:17:29,667 --> 01:17:31,235
to hurt just to get a few more

2319
01:17:31,235 --> 01:17:33,635
questions answered and possibly

2320
01:17:33,671 --> 01:17:35,573
broaden the scope of where this

2321
01:17:35,573 --> 01:17:36,674
would take us.

2322
01:17:36,674 --> 01:17:38,343
>> councilor grout, I believe

2323
01:17:38,343 --> 01:17:38,710
councilor rogers has a few

2324
01:17:38,710 --> 01:17:40,710
questions.

2325
01:17:41,779 --> 01:17:44,779
Your motion to defer and

2326
01:17:45,149 --> 01:17:45,484
questions over it with councilor

2327
01:17:45,484 --> 01:17:47,484
telles.

2328
01:17:47,485 --> 01:17:48,553
Can it wait for questions?

2329
01:17:48,553 --> 01:17:49,787
>>coun. Grout: sure.

2330
01:17:49,787 --> 01:17:50,422
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MR.

2331
01:17:50,422 --> 01:17:51,556
Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

2332
01:17:51,556 --> 01:17:54,192
Thank you for being here.

2333
01:17:54,192 --> 01:17:56,161
I have a lot of questions.

2334
01:17:56,161 --> 01:17:57,762
I was very vocal about the last

2335
01:17:57,762 --> 01:17:58,896
round of home renovation money

2336
01:17:58,896 --> 01:18:01,296
that home wise got.

2337
01:18:01,499 --> 01:18:03,935
They were responsible for doing

2338
01:18:03,935 --> 01:18:04,235
low income areas, communities of

2339
01:18:04,235 --> 01:18:05,803
color.

2340
01:18:05,803 --> 01:18:08,539
They brought us data and helped

2341
01:18:08,539 --> 01:18:08,873
nobody in the low income

2342
01:18:08,873 --> 01:18:10,873
bracket.

2343
01:18:11,375 --> 01:18:12,610
And the data was shoddy on who

2344
01:18:12,610 --> 01:18:14,211
they actually helped.

2345
01:18:14,211 --> 01:18:16,581
But it was clear it wasn't

2346
01:18:16,581 --> 01:18:18,282
anyone in the low income bracket

2347
01:18:18,282 --> 01:18:18,649
which is also what the grant

2348
01:18:18,649 --> 01:18:20,170
requires.

2349
01:18:20,170 --> 01:18:21,252
what are we putting in place

2350
01:18:21,252 --> 01:18:22,853
this time if we're going to give

2351
01:18:22,853 --> 01:18:24,853
them more money?

2352
01:18:25,723 --> 01:18:28,723
Last time it was $3 million.

2353
01:18:29,260 --> 01:18:30,261
I was a city employee working in

2354
01:18:30,261 --> 01:18:32,563
inclusion and it took three

2355
01:18:32,563 --> 01:18:33,731
years to get that money out and

2356
01:18:33,731 --> 01:18:34,698
only because I became a city

2357
01:18:34,698 --> 01:18:36,333
councilor and I asked what

2358
01:18:36,333 --> 01:18:38,502
happened to this money.

2359
01:18:38,502 --> 01:18:40,370
We found out at that time they

2360
01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:41,939
still hadn't spent it all.

2361
01:18:41,939 --> 01:18:45,539
And we're going to reward them

2362
01:18:45,776 --> 01:18:48,776
with $2.8 million when they kept

2363
01:18:52,316 --> 01:18:53,500
this in their accounts

2364
01:18:53,500 --> 01:18:54,585
generating interest while

2365
01:18:54,585 --> 01:18:55,953
thousands of people in

2366
01:18:55,953 --> 01:18:57,953
albuquerque, especially seniors,

2367
01:18:59,289 --> 01:19:02,126
who could not afford home

2368
01:19:02,126 --> 01:19:03,260
renovations were not helped.

2369
01:19:03,260 --> 01:19:05,696
What is the department going to

2370
01:19:05,696 --> 01:19:08,765
do to make sure if we agree to

2371
01:19:08,765 --> 01:19:10,765
give them 2.8

2372
01:19:11,268 --> 01:19:12,936
$2.8 million more,

2373
01:19:12,936 --> 01:19:16,536
which I don't think we should,

2374
01:19:17,341 --> 01:19:19,443
what is the contingency plan to

2375
01:19:19,443 --> 01:19:20,745
make sure they do what we expect

2376
01:19:20,745 --> 01:19:22,279
quickly and it doesn't take

2377
01:19:22,279 --> 01:19:22,713
three years to get this money

2378
01:19:22,713 --> 01:19:24,214
out?

2379
01:19:24,214 --> 01:19:26,116
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

2380
01:19:26,116 --> 01:19:27,851
rogers, within hhh and community

2381
01:19:27,851 --> 01:19:29,419
development we have a compliance

2382
01:19:29,419 --> 01:19:32,522
team and when it comes to this

2383
01:19:32,522 --> 01:19:33,890
types of programs and the

2384
01:19:33,890 --> 01:19:36,260
grantees of the programs.

2385
01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:36,960
Hhh reserves to audit the files

2386
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,360
to determine anybody that

2387
01:19:39,696 --> 01:19:41,980
received that funding income

2388
01:19:41,980 --> 01:19:41,698
qualified and lived in a

2389
01:19:41,698 --> 01:19:42,499
designated area.

2390
01:19:42,499 --> 01:19:44,734
>>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,

2391
01:19:44,734 --> 01:19:45,902
I hate to cut you off.

2392
01:19:45,902 --> 01:19:48,400
Those contingency plans didn't

2393
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,400
work with the last $3 million

2394
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,400
you gave them.

2395
01:19:52,576 --> 01:19:54,844
I know you're knew to the city.

2396
01:19:54,844 --> 01:19:56,613
You shouldn't be speaking to

2397
01:19:56,613 --> 01:19:58,848
this, let's switch places with

2398
01:19:58,848 --> 01:20:00,848
director ramirez.

2399
01:20:01,584 --> 01:20:03,153
director ramirez, you and I have

2400
01:20:03,153 --> 01:20:04,921
gone round and round about home

2401
01:20:04,921 --> 01:20:06,389
wise and this program.

2402
01:20:06,389 --> 01:20:07,824
Your contingency plans didn't

2403
01:20:07,824 --> 01:20:08,525
work last time.

2404
01:20:08,525 --> 01:20:10,193
What are we going to do

2405
01:20:10,193 --> 01:20:10,727
differently this time to make

2406
01:20:10,727 --> 01:20:12,727
sure?

2407
01:20:13,564 --> 01:20:17,000
Where is it in the contract?

2408
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,000
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

2409
01:20:19,369 --> 01:20:22,369
rogers, the initial awarding of

2410
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,542
the partnership with home

2411
01:20:25,542 --> 01:20:25,808
wise -- and the applications

2412
01:20:25,808 --> 01:20:27,578
now.

2413
01:20:27,578 --> 01:20:29,120
Did we work hand and hand with

2414
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,413
home wise and they're here

2415
01:20:30,413 --> 01:20:31,681
tonight as well, it was to be

2416
01:20:31,681 --> 01:20:33,150
able to make sure that

2417
01:20:33,150 --> 01:20:34,830
compliance was there and the

2418
01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:35,852
structure was there and there

2419
01:20:35,852 --> 01:20:36,753
was the ability to get that

2420
01:20:36,753 --> 01:20:37,687
money out to the individuals

2421
01:20:37,687 --> 01:20:38,254
that qualified for that

2422
01:20:38,254 --> 01:20:40,254
particular program.

2423
01:20:42,158 --> 01:20:44,927
As this funding comes to you all

2424
01:20:44,927 --> 01:20:47,630
for approval and we move forward

2425
01:20:47,630 --> 01:20:47,730
in that, those contingency

2426
01:20:47,730 --> 01:20:49,730
ies

2427
01:20:50,333 --> 01:20:52,340
will make sure the compliances

2428
01:20:52,340 --> 01:20:54,360
happens and the individuals

2429
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,605
served meet the qualifications

2430
01:20:55,605 --> 01:20:56,907
in the overview.

2431
01:20:56,907 --> 01:20:58,708
>>coun. Rogers: it sounds like

2432
01:20:58,708 --> 01:21:00,708
the same answer.

2433
01:21:01,343 --> 01:21:03,120
What is different this time?

2434
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:04,130
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

2435
01:21:04,130 --> 01:21:05,414
rogers, I don't understand in

2436
01:21:05,414 --> 01:21:06,649
regards to what you would like

2437
01:21:06,649 --> 01:21:08,384
to see different.

2438
01:21:08,384 --> 01:21:09,785
I'm hearing you're saying the

2439
01:21:09,785 --> 01:21:11,530
compliance wasn't there.

2440
01:21:11,530 --> 01:21:12,255
I don't believe that was --

2441
01:21:12,255 --> 01:21:13,689
>>coun. Rogers: your department

2442
01:21:13,689 --> 01:21:15,524
audited them, correct?

2443
01:21:15,524 --> 01:21:17,626
>> the compliance for the

2444
01:21:17,626 --> 01:21:19,626
previous funding allocation?

2445
01:21:19,628 --> 01:21:20,496
Yes, the monitoring did happen.

2446
01:21:20,496 --> 01:21:21,631
>>coun. Rogers: I heard from

2447
01:21:21,631 --> 01:21:24,333
your previous director there was

2448
01:21:24,333 --> 01:21:26,335
some issues with that, correct?

2449
01:21:26,335 --> 01:21:28,904
with how quickly they got the

2450
01:21:28,904 --> 01:21:31,274
money out and who were they

2451
01:21:31,274 --> 01:21:32,508
expected to help?

2452
01:21:32,508 --> 01:21:34,908
It was an issue.

2453
01:21:35,144 --> 01:21:37,613
And now I'm asking as the

2454
01:21:37,613 --> 01:21:39,281
steward of this money, your

2455
01:21:39,281 --> 01:21:40,783
responsibility as the director

2456
01:21:40,783 --> 01:21:43,252
of the department is to make

2457
01:21:43,252 --> 01:21:45,154
sure who we give it to does the

2458
01:21:45,154 --> 01:21:47,122
right thing with the dollars.

2459
01:21:47,122 --> 01:21:51,126
If you can't speak to that, who

2460
01:21:51,126 --> 01:21:53,526
from home wise can?

2461
01:21:54,396 --> 01:21:55,898
Who is here from home wise?

2462
01:21:55,898 --> 01:21:56,398
If your department -- thank you,

2463
01:21:56,398 --> 01:21:57,766
MADAM PRESIDENT.

2464
01:21:57,766 --> 01:21:59,668
If your department cannot tell

2465
01:21:59,668 --> 01:22:01,170
me how we're going to make sure,

2466
01:22:01,170 --> 01:22:04,770
I'd like to hear from the

2467
01:22:05,407 --> 01:22:07,407
provider directly.

2468
01:22:08,277 --> 01:22:09,678
Just for the public, I've been

2469
01:22:09,678 --> 01:22:10,979
doing this with home wise for

2470
01:22:10,979 --> 01:22:12,979
almost six years.

2471
01:22:14,583 --> 01:22:16,785
It was first as a city employee

2472
01:22:16,785 --> 01:22:17,853
and now as a councilor.

2473
01:22:17,853 --> 01:22:19,121
Tell me your name.

2474
01:22:19,121 --> 01:22:20,880
>> carl davis.

2475
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:21,590
>>coun. Rogers: how long have

2476
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:22,858
you been with home wise?

2477
01:22:22,858 --> 01:22:24,560
>> seven years.

2478
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,610
>>coun. Rogers: awesome, tell me

2479
01:22:26,610 --> 01:22:27,629
how we're going to make sure

2480
01:22:27,629 --> 01:22:31,330
this money gets to the people

2481
01:22:31,330 --> 01:22:32,567
it's intended to get to.

2482
01:22:32,567 --> 01:22:32,901
It didn't happen in the last

2483
01:22:32,901 --> 01:22:34,436
round.

2484
01:22:34,436 --> 01:22:35,937
>> we have to take a minute.

2485
01:22:35,937 --> 01:22:38,440
It did get to the people.

2486
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:40,108
The average income of the

2487
01:22:40,108 --> 01:22:42,811
recipients was 26k a year.

2488
01:22:42,811 --> 01:22:44,546
Everyone was below 80% ami.

2489
01:22:44,546 --> 01:22:47,983
>>coun. Rogers: that is not the

2490
01:22:47,983 --> 01:22:49,251
data we actually displayed

2491
01:22:49,251 --> 01:22:51,651
publicly from your company.

2492
01:22:51,821 --> 01:22:53,880
>> that is the data we provided

2493
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:55,357
ahead of this meeting.

2494
01:22:55,357 --> 01:22:57,525
>>coun. Rogers: ahead of this

2495
01:22:57,525 --> 01:22:59,294
meeting, but what was presented

2496
01:22:59,294 --> 01:23:00,128
to this council publicly did not

2497
01:23:00,128 --> 01:23:02,128
show that.

2498
01:23:02,797 --> 01:23:03,164
I am am happy to send that to

2499
01:23:03,164 --> 01:23:04,232
you.

2500
01:23:04,232 --> 01:23:06,134
I know we have to move on.

2501
01:23:06,134 --> 01:23:08,703
We have a lot of things.

2502
01:23:08,703 --> 01:23:09,400
I don't want to belabor this

2503
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:10,705
point.

2504
01:23:10,705 --> 01:23:11,874
We need to get on the same page.

2505
01:23:11,874 --> 01:23:14,175
We have people suffering.

2506
01:23:14,175 --> 01:23:15,410
We have an insurance crisis in

2507
01:23:15,410 --> 01:23:17,512
this country where insurance

2508
01:23:17,512 --> 01:23:18,947
companies are leaving homeowners

2509
01:23:18,947 --> 01:23:20,947
with the bag.

2510
01:23:21,216 --> 01:23:22,150
Holding the bag who have holes

2511
01:23:22,150 --> 01:23:24,150
in their roof.

2512
01:23:24,252 --> 01:23:26,488
Who have not working plumbing

2513
01:23:26,488 --> 01:23:28,156
which home wise, thank you for

2514
01:23:28,156 --> 01:23:30,125
helping one of the constituents

2515
01:23:30,125 --> 01:23:32,193
I was able to call you and hold

2516
01:23:32,193 --> 01:23:33,327
your feet to the fire to help

2517
01:23:33,327 --> 01:23:34,362
someone in my district who

2518
01:23:34,362 --> 01:23:36,362
needed your help.

2519
01:23:37,899 --> 01:23:40,200
You went and above and beyond to

2520
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,569
help because a councilor called.

2521
01:23:41,569 --> 01:23:43,538
I want us to work together as a

2522
01:23:43,538 --> 01:23:44,839
team to make sure the people who

2523
01:23:44,839 --> 01:23:45,606
needs this help gets the help

2524
01:23:45,606 --> 01:23:47,606
they deserve.

2525
01:23:47,775 --> 01:23:50,678
And that is extremely important.

2526
01:23:50,678 --> 01:23:53,678
Back to director ramirez, how

2527
01:23:54,616 --> 01:23:56,551
many rauntds -- respondents did

2528
01:23:56,551 --> 01:23:57,685
we have for this rfp?

2529
01:23:57,685 --> 01:23:58,653
>> one.

2530
01:23:58,653 --> 01:24:00,354
>>coun. Rogers: and that's

2531
01:24:00,354 --> 01:24:00,922
exactly the excuse you gave me

2532
01:24:00,922 --> 01:24:02,922
last time.

2533
01:24:02,923 --> 01:24:04,992
Which means your department did

2534
01:24:04,992 --> 01:24:07,392
not do any recruitment.

2535
01:24:08,295 --> 01:24:09,664
Can you tell me about your

2536
01:24:09,664 --> 01:24:11,699
recruitment process for this?

2537
01:24:11,699 --> 01:24:13,699
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

2538
01:24:14,302 --> 01:24:16,702
rogers, understanding that the

2539
01:24:18,806 --> 01:24:20,741
agency we spoken to encourage to

2540
01:24:20,741 --> 01:24:21,420
apply the capacity surpassed the

2541
01:24:21,420 --> 01:24:22,343
city.

2542
01:24:22,343 --> 01:24:24,812
We had the conversations with

2543
01:24:24,812 --> 01:24:27,481
them to encouraging them to

2544
01:24:27,481 --> 01:24:29,817
submit applications, in the end

2545
01:24:29,817 --> 01:24:32,217
we had one respondent.

2546
01:24:32,653 --> 01:24:33,554
>>coun. Rogers: guess what, I

2547
01:24:33,554 --> 01:24:34,989
tried to recruit.

2548
01:24:34,989 --> 01:24:35,689
They didn't want to do business

2549
01:24:35,689 --> 01:24:37,689
with your department.

2550
01:24:37,991 --> 01:24:40,194
That's the feedback I got from

2551
01:24:40,194 --> 01:24:41,950
the companies I begged to

2552
01:24:41,950 --> 01:24:42,196
respond to this.

2553
01:24:42,196 --> 01:24:44,731
They don't want to do business

2554
01:24:44,731 --> 01:24:45,966
with the city of albuquerque.

2555
01:24:45,966 --> 01:24:47,368
We have to do better.

2556
01:24:47,368 --> 01:24:50,400
I'm going to continue to say

2557
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:51,639
this to hhh, health, housing,

2558
01:24:51,639 --> 01:24:52,806
and homelessness.

2559
01:24:52,806 --> 01:24:54,308
That is your charge.

2560
01:24:54,308 --> 01:24:56,430
Not ACSs.

2561
01:24:56,430 --> 01:24:58,278
You have millions of dollars at

2562
01:24:58,278 --> 01:25:00,278
your fingertips.

2563
01:25:01,315 --> 01:25:03,317
We saw amazing outcomes from

2564
01:25:03,317 --> 01:25:05,317
$380,000 from councilor

2565
01:25:06,621 --> 01:25:07,721
bassan's -- did you see that

2566
01:25:07,721 --> 01:25:09,721
data?

2567
01:25:11,291 --> 01:25:13,428
$380 million, I can't get that

2568
01:25:13,428 --> 01:25:14,861
data from your department to

2569
01:25:14,861 --> 01:25:16,130
show impact and outcomes.

2570
01:25:16,130 --> 01:25:18,132
My district, I'm done.

2571
01:25:18,132 --> 01:25:18,431
I think that's the theme for

2572
01:25:18,431 --> 01:25:20,670
today.

2573
01:25:20,670 --> 01:25:21,535
I'm done living like this.

2574
01:25:21,535 --> 01:25:22,803
I am done, done, done.

2575
01:25:22,803 --> 01:25:25,803
We've got to get better.

2576
01:25:26,574 --> 01:25:27,507
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

2577
01:25:27,507 --> 01:25:29,507
One more thing.

2578
01:25:30,544 --> 01:25:31,945
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

2579
01:25:31,945 --> 01:25:34,345
To answer councilor grout's

2580
01:25:35,148 --> 01:25:36,349
question about pockets of

2581
01:25:36,349 --> 01:25:38,351
poverty, that is held for

2582
01:25:38,351 --> 01:25:39,953
opportunity zones we just went

2583
01:25:39,953 --> 01:25:41,321
through as a city, and thank you

2584
01:25:41,321 --> 01:25:43,757
to secretary rob black for

2585
01:25:43,757 --> 01:25:45,792
giving me and the city of

2586
01:25:45,792 --> 01:25:47,792
albuquerque an extension.

2587
01:25:48,295 --> 01:25:49,396
We almost missed that deadline,

2588
01:25:49,396 --> 01:25:50,330
councilor grout, to identify new

2589
01:25:50,330 --> 01:25:52,330
opportunity zones.

2590
01:25:52,499 --> 01:25:54,902
That is how this map is taking

2591
01:25:54,902 --> 01:25:57,304
care of through our census and

2592
01:25:57,304 --> 01:25:58,571
opportunity zones.

2593
01:25:58,571 --> 01:26:00,373
Thank goodness I know all about

2594
01:26:00,373 --> 01:26:02,175
the census and how this works

2595
01:26:02,175 --> 01:26:04,711
and was able to flag it go

2596
01:26:04,711 --> 01:26:06,779
myself and get an extension from

2597
01:26:06,779 --> 01:26:09,490
the state of new mexico because

2598
01:26:09,490 --> 01:26:11,449
albuquerque missed the deadline.

2599
01:26:12,118 --> 01:26:13,186
and thank goodness we got that

2600
01:26:13,186 --> 01:26:14,200
extension and worked as a team

2601
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,420
with economic development to

2602
01:26:17,324 --> 01:26:19,526
make sure we put in opportunity

2603
01:26:19,526 --> 01:26:21,995
zones so the pockets of poverty

2604
01:26:21,995 --> 01:26:22,962
can be extended to the other

2605
01:26:22,962 --> 01:26:23,930
areas that need them.

2606
01:26:23,930 --> 01:26:25,231
That's the process.

2607
01:26:25,231 --> 01:26:27,734
We almost missed the boat.

2608
01:26:27,734 --> 01:26:28,501
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

2609
01:26:28,501 --> 01:26:29,736
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor telles.

2610
01:26:29,736 --> 01:26:31,371
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

2611
01:26:31,371 --> 01:26:33,371
PRESIDENT.

2612
01:26:34,875 --> 01:26:36,875
Hello, director.

2613
01:26:38,578 --> 01:26:40,578
Welcome to the

2614
01:26:45,651 --> 01:26:47,651
circus of chaos.

2615
01:26:48,888 --> 01:26:49,856
I wanted to visit the pockets of

2616
01:26:49,856 --> 01:26:51,856
poverty matter here.

2617
01:26:52,291 --> 01:26:53,692
From our ordinance, it doesn't

2618
01:26:53,692 --> 01:26:56,920
come from opportunity zones.

2619
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:57,497
It was written into our city's

2620
01:26:57,497 --> 01:26:58,698
ordinance.

2621
01:26:58,698 --> 01:27:00,900
I don't know if you know this,

2622
01:27:00,900 --> 01:27:03,269
so if you do, please indulge me

2623
01:27:03,269 --> 01:27:04,337
for a minute because maybe other

2624
01:27:04,337 --> 01:27:06,239
people don't.

2625
01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:09,839
It was written into our city's

2626
01:27:10,420 --> 01:27:11,777
code of ordinances back in 1987.

2627
01:27:11,777 --> 01:27:15,377
Because we wanted to make sure

2628
01:27:15,614 --> 01:27:15,915
we were in compliance with the

2629
01:27:15,915 --> 01:27:17,915
udag.

2630
01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:18,718
That's what you're following,

2631
01:27:18,718 --> 01:27:19,180
correct?

2632
01:27:19,180 --> 01:27:21,180
Okay.

2633
01:27:21,587 --> 01:27:24,587
The udag no longer exists.

2634
01:27:26,126 --> 01:27:26,425
It was terminated at the federal

2635
01:27:26,425 --> 01:27:28,425
level.

2636
01:27:29,940 --> 01:27:30,596
These funds, as far as I can

2637
01:27:30,596 --> 01:27:32,640
find, haven't been included in

2638
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,464
the cfa for years.

2639
01:27:34,767 --> 01:27:38,203
It's not listed as an active

2640
01:27:38,203 --> 01:27:40,203
federal award.

2641
01:27:41,507 --> 01:27:43,709
So, are you treating these loan

2642
01:27:43,709 --> 01:27:45,445
repayments in that projects fund

2643
01:27:45,445 --> 01:27:47,913
as a permanent condition that

2644
01:27:47,913 --> 01:27:49,480
was tied to those specific

2645
01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:51,448
parameters of pockets of

2646
01:27:53,850 --> 01:27:55,850
poverty?

2647
01:27:55,254 --> 01:27:56,880
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

2648
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:57,856
telles, no.

2649
01:27:57,856 --> 01:27:59,258
not in relation to trying it

2650
01:27:59,258 --> 01:28:00,692
into the original grant

2651
01:28:00,692 --> 01:28:03,692
agreements, but in relation to

2652
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:05,364
trying it into the ordinance.

2653
01:28:05,364 --> 01:28:07,364
>>coun. Telles: right.

2654
01:28:08,267 --> 01:28:09,100
Then, we need to do some work on

2655
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:10,936
the council.

2656
01:28:10,936 --> 01:28:13,372
Our job now -- we're going to

2657
01:28:13,372 --> 01:28:14,740
have to update that ordinance

2658
01:28:14,740 --> 01:28:16,740
and amend it.

2659
01:28:18,243 --> 01:28:20,445
Because we can't just

2660
01:28:20,445 --> 01:28:22,814
unilaterally extend it outside

2661
01:28:22,814 --> 01:28:24,549
of the pockets of poverty, which

2662
01:28:24,549 --> 01:28:26,949
is an 11-mile area.

2663
01:28:27,719 --> 01:28:30,355
How long have those funds been

2664
01:28:30,355 --> 01:28:31,656
sitting in that fund 277?

2665
01:28:31,656 --> 01:28:33,291
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

2666
01:28:33,291 --> 01:28:34,926
telles, I don't know exactly,

2667
01:28:34,926 --> 01:28:36,227
but quite sometime.

2668
01:28:36,227 --> 01:28:36,528
>>coun. Telles: yeah, like 40

2669
01:28:36,528 --> 01:28:38,528
years.

2670
01:28:38,864 --> 01:28:42,464
Those funds have been sitting in

2671
01:28:43,468 --> 01:28:45,868
that fund for 40 years.

2672
01:28:45,904 --> 01:28:50,104
It's all been based off of these

2673
01:28:51,509 --> 01:28:52,777
pockets of poverty under a

2674
01:28:52,777 --> 01:28:55,177
definition that hasn't existed

2675
01:28:55,447 --> 01:28:57,447
since 1988.

2676
01:28:59,150 --> 01:29:00,718
So, we need to -- but, we can't

2677
01:29:00,718 --> 01:29:03,455
actually do that until we have

2678
01:29:03,455 --> 01:29:07,550
answers to a couple of things.

2679
01:29:07,659 --> 01:29:11,859
And it requires us to know if

2680
01:29:11,964 --> 01:29:14,964
there is a permanent condition

2681
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,936
in that original udag

2682
01:29:17,936 --> 01:29:20,905
requirement that tied to the

2683
01:29:20,905 --> 01:29:22,905
loan repayment.

2684
01:29:23,700 --> 01:29:26,700
While we can amend that

2685
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:26,945
ordinance, we can't until we

2686
01:29:26,945 --> 01:29:28,945
know that.

2687
01:29:29,580 --> 01:29:32,283
I had a good conversation with

2688
01:29:32,283 --> 01:29:33,251
MS. Montoya from your office

2689
01:29:33,251 --> 01:29:35,220
earlier today.

2690
01:29:35,220 --> 01:29:35,653
She did send me some really good

2691
01:29:35,653 --> 01:29:36,821
information.

2692
01:29:36,821 --> 01:29:37,555
But I'm really glad that

2693
01:29:37,555 --> 01:29:39,357
councilor grout pulled this

2694
01:29:39,357 --> 01:29:42,590
because we definitely need to

2695
01:29:42,590 --> 01:29:43,361
defer this until we can know

2696
01:29:43,361 --> 01:29:45,761
what those original grant

2697
01:29:45,897 --> 01:29:47,632
parameters were.

2698
01:29:47,632 --> 01:29:49,467
Because we just -- you know, we

2699
01:29:49,467 --> 01:29:51,736
can either -- there's two things

2700
01:29:51,736 --> 01:29:53,736
that can happen.

2701
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,308
We're just stuck within this

2702
01:29:57,308 --> 01:29:59,708
11-mile restriction that was

2703
01:30:00,845 --> 01:30:03,845
created in 1987, or we can

2704
01:30:04,148 --> 01:30:05,349
expand it to other pockets of

2705
01:30:05,349 --> 01:30:07,840
poverty that exist in the city

2706
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:07,885
that really, really needs this

2707
01:30:07,885 --> 01:30:09,885
money.

2708
01:30:12,923 --> 01:30:16,523
And that really -- to councilor

2709
01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:24,902
rogers's point, to extend these

2710
01:30:24,902 --> 01:30:27,710
opportunities -- when I was in

2711
01:30:27,710 --> 01:30:30,410
school, when I was 14 or 15

2712
01:30:30,410 --> 01:30:32,843
years old, my family benefitted

2713
01:30:32,843 --> 01:30:34,211
from a rehabilitation program by

2714
01:30:34,211 --> 01:30:36,211
the city.

2715
01:30:37,140 --> 01:30:38,315
This was in las cruces, but it

2716
01:30:38,315 --> 01:30:40,715
made a huge difference.

2717
01:30:41,685 --> 01:30:43,654
We were literally sleeping on

2718
01:30:43,654 --> 01:30:44,540
our concrete floors in our

2719
01:30:44,540 --> 01:30:46,540
house.

2720
01:30:52,330 --> 01:30:55,499
We had to shove napkins in the

2721
01:30:55,499 --> 01:30:57,734
corners of our houses because it

2722
01:30:57,734 --> 01:30:59,169
would get cold.

2723
01:30:59,169 --> 01:31:02,306
It was just -- these type of

2724
01:31:02,306 --> 01:31:04,475
programs are so incredibly

2725
01:31:04,475 --> 01:31:05,976
important and they make it such

2726
01:31:05,976 --> 01:31:09,576
a huge difference that we should

2727
01:31:09,713 --> 01:31:12,713
not be restricting them to

2728
01:31:12,717 --> 01:31:15,318
certain zones when that poverty

2729
01:31:15,318 --> 01:31:17,718
exists throughout the city.

2730
01:31:19,356 --> 01:31:22,692
I do need to -- before we can do

2731
01:31:22,692 --> 01:31:26,892
anything, we have to find out if

2732
01:31:27,630 --> 01:31:30,167
there is any sort of permanent

2733
01:31:30,167 --> 01:31:30,567
condition tied to loan

2734
01:31:30,567 --> 01:31:32,567
repayments.

2735
01:31:36,106 --> 01:31:38,808
It MAY be worth requesting our

2736
01:31:38,808 --> 01:31:40,777
ITAs to extend our scope and

2737
01:31:40,777 --> 01:31:43,813
test that and see if they can

2738
01:31:43,813 --> 01:31:46,820
find that information for us.

2739
01:31:46,820 --> 01:31:47,684
MS. Sandoval, that might be an

2740
01:31:47,684 --> 01:31:51,284
option because this is going to

2741
01:31:53,323 --> 01:31:53,623
go pretty far back into cfa

2742
01:31:53,623 --> 01:31:55,623
items.

2743
01:31:56,590 --> 01:32:00,859
I don't think it's been on -- I

2744
01:32:03,734 --> 01:32:04,330
haven't seen it since the fy24

2745
01:32:04,330 --> 01:32:06,330
acfr.

2746
01:32:07,704 --> 01:32:08,138
I think it came up in, maybe,

2747
01:32:08,138 --> 01:32:10,138
2008.

2748
01:32:12,141 --> 01:32:14,541
But the historical documents

2749
01:32:15,678 --> 01:32:17,547
aren't very there for us.

2750
01:32:17,547 --> 01:32:20,650
Yeah, I would appreciate if we

2751
01:32:20,650 --> 01:32:23,650
could find that information out

2752
01:32:23,653 --> 01:32:25,653
because otherwise we're

2753
01:32:26,856 --> 01:32:29,256
unfortunately stuck with that

2754
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:33,129
11-mile area for this particular

2755
01:32:33,129 --> 01:32:35,129
money.

2756
01:32:36,934 --> 01:32:38,134
Thank you.

2757
01:32:38,134 --> 01:32:40,536
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

2758
01:32:40,536 --> 01:32:41,905
Just a couple questions related

2759
01:32:41,905 --> 01:32:43,905
to this.

2760
01:32:44,207 --> 01:32:46,676
This is the home wise that does

2761
01:32:46,676 --> 01:32:47,900
rehabilitation for the houses,

2762
01:32:47,900 --> 01:32:48,770
right?

2763
01:32:48,770 --> 01:32:49,312
Am I correct?

2764
01:32:49,312 --> 01:32:49,645
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, that's

2765
01:32:49,645 --> 01:32:51,645
correct.

2766
01:32:53,490 --> 01:32:53,282
>>coun. Pe}a: that's what where

2767
01:32:53,282 --> 01:32:55,218
a

2768
01:32:55,218 --> 01:32:55,618
-- that's what I assumed it

2769
01:32:55,618 --> 01:32:57,553
was.

2770
01:32:57,553 --> 01:32:58,955
Hearing some of the concerns, I

2771
01:32:58,955 --> 01:33:01,955
think they should probably look

2772
01:33:02,692 --> 01:33:04,260
at, you know, we should always

2773
01:33:04,260 --> 01:33:06,280
revisiting -- we should revisit

2774
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:07,596
fees and whether we have tax

2775
01:33:07,596 --> 01:33:09,565
increase for revenue.

2776
01:33:09,565 --> 01:33:11,834
We should revisit how we fund

2777
01:33:11,834 --> 01:33:12,134
some of our social service

2778
01:33:12,134 --> 01:33:13,836
grant.

2779
01:33:13,836 --> 01:33:14,236
I think all those things are

2780
01:33:14,236 --> 01:33:16,500
important.

2781
01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:20,205
I'll just say that I think my

2782
01:33:20,309 --> 01:33:21,844
opinion differs a little.

2783
01:33:21,844 --> 01:33:23,946
I just don't want the public to

2784
01:33:23,946 --> 01:33:25,914
think everyone on the council,

2785
01:33:25,914 --> 01:33:27,549
but I'm speaking for myself, put

2786
01:33:27,549 --> 01:33:28,917
it came across that everybody on

2787
01:33:28,917 --> 01:33:30,853
the council feels this way.

2788
01:33:30,853 --> 01:33:32,755
I just want you all to know just

2789
01:33:32,755 --> 01:33:36,955
a few short years ago, I'm not

2790
01:33:36,959 --> 01:33:40,162
sure who was on council then,

2791
01:33:40,162 --> 01:33:41,297
maybe councilor bassan and maybe

2792
01:33:41,297 --> 01:33:43,632
councilor lewis, but we were

2793
01:33:43,632 --> 01:33:45,501
using most of this money --

2794
01:33:45,501 --> 01:33:47,200
correct me if I'm wrong, we were

2795
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:48,370
using most of this money for

2796
01:33:48,370 --> 01:33:50,370
affordable housing.

2797
01:33:50,205 --> 01:33:51,206
We were stockpiling affordable

2798
01:33:51,206 --> 01:33:52,975
housing dollars.

2799
01:33:52,975 --> 01:33:55,210
and we were not being able to

2800
01:33:55,210 --> 01:33:57,446
get many of those affordable

2801
01:33:57,446 --> 01:34:00,446
housing dollars out the door.

2802
01:34:00,782 --> 01:34:02,417
I did an amendment one year -- I

2803
01:34:02,417 --> 01:34:04,817
think councilor fiebelkorn was

2804
01:34:05,287 --> 01:34:06,955
here -- I did an amendment one

2805
01:34:06,955 --> 01:34:10,555
here to actually take out that

2806
01:34:11,794 --> 01:34:12,261
$3 million for housing

2807
01:34:12,261 --> 01:34:13,595
rehabilitation.

2808
01:34:13,595 --> 01:34:16,595
I think councilor baca later

2809
01:34:17,650 --> 01:34:17,532
renamed it a name -- gave it a

2810
01:34:17,532 --> 01:34:19,532
name.

2811
01:34:20,268 --> 01:34:21,970
Just a few short years ago,

2812
01:34:21,970 --> 01:34:24,539
whether home wise is the only

2813
01:34:24,539 --> 01:34:27,420
recipient who responded or not,

2814
01:34:27,420 --> 01:34:28,110
we were not doing home

2815
01:34:28,110 --> 01:34:30,510
rehabilitation in our city.

2816
01:34:30,946 --> 01:34:34,546
We have so many seniors and

2817
01:34:35,884 --> 01:34:38,884
houses are delpidated, yet we

2818
01:34:40,855 --> 01:34:43,855
take both -- eventually, they

2819
01:34:44,959 --> 01:34:48,296
have their resources to be able

2820
01:34:48,296 --> 01:34:50,696
to rehabilitation their houses.

2821
01:34:50,966 --> 01:34:53,201
And we vote here on this dais to

2822
01:34:53,201 --> 01:34:55,103
condemn that house, knock that

2823
01:34:55,103 --> 01:34:56,171
house down.

2824
01:34:56,171 --> 01:34:58,571
On principle, it's something

2825
01:34:59,174 --> 01:35:01,376
that's needed to be done, but on

2826
01:35:01,376 --> 01:35:03,912
principle, I've never voted for

2827
01:35:03,912 --> 01:35:05,346
those because I said I won't

2828
01:35:05,346 --> 01:35:09,500
vote for those until we have a

2829
01:35:09,500 --> 01:35:09,517
program that helps with housing

2830
01:35:09,517 --> 01:35:11,517
rehabilitation.

2831
01:35:11,886 --> 01:35:13,154
Just carving out that $3

2832
01:35:13,154 --> 01:35:15,390
million, which I think we should

2833
01:35:15,390 --> 01:35:17,325
give this money to home wise and

2834
01:35:17,325 --> 01:35:19,160
we should carve out another six

2835
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:20,428
or seven million dollars to do

2836
01:35:20,428 --> 01:35:22,164
this because our housing

2837
01:35:22,164 --> 01:35:24,265
stock -- if we're talking about

2838
01:35:24,265 --> 01:35:26,401
housing first and keeping people

2839
01:35:26,401 --> 01:35:27,468
in their houses we need to help

2840
01:35:27,468 --> 01:35:30,400
those in the neighborhoods and

2841
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:33,604
people who can't afford to make

2842
01:35:34,750 --> 01:35:36,750
those necessary repairs.

2843
01:35:37,678 --> 01:35:39,113
I met with home wise, I talked

2844
01:35:39,113 --> 01:35:42,250
to them about they've done with

2845
01:35:42,250 --> 01:35:43,484
the resources.

2846
01:35:43,484 --> 01:35:45,484
Unfortunately, the resources

2847
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:46,320
don't go as far as we would

2848
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,320
like.

2849
01:35:52,961 --> 01:35:56,197
i know they ended up helping 60

2850
01:35:56,197 --> 01:35:57,932
homeowners, but -- 58?

2851
01:35:57,932 --> 01:35:59,534
I know it was about 58 for the

2852
01:35:59,534 --> 01:36:01,680
$3 million.

2853
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:03,804
I would hope that our department

2854
01:36:03,804 --> 01:36:07,475
can look at how we get the best

2855
01:36:07,475 --> 01:36:11,212
bang for the dollar in terms of

2856
01:36:11,212 --> 01:36:12,746
$2.8 million for 60 homes, even

2857
01:36:12,746 --> 01:36:14,281
though there's all the costs

2858
01:36:14,281 --> 01:36:15,616
that's associated with it.

2859
01:36:15,616 --> 01:36:17,685
They have administrative cost

2860
01:36:17,685 --> 01:36:20,685
and utility cost and everything

2861
01:36:20,855 --> 01:36:23,724
is partially factored into this.

2862
01:36:23,724 --> 01:36:25,993
And as we bring these back in

2863
01:36:25,993 --> 01:36:27,995
house like we used to have the

2864
01:36:27,995 --> 01:36:30,995
housing, right, which I'm for

2865
01:36:31,650 --> 01:36:34,665
those kinds of things, but as

2866
01:36:35,202 --> 01:36:36,637
far as I know home wise has done

2867
01:36:36,637 --> 01:36:37,938
a decent job.

2868
01:36:37,938 --> 01:36:40,341
I think you guys have to do do

2869
01:36:40,341 --> 01:36:41,742
the checks and balances to make

2870
01:36:41,742 --> 01:36:43,243
sure for that.

2871
01:36:43,243 --> 01:36:47,181
But I really think that this is

2872
01:36:47,181 --> 01:36:50,781
just a drop in the bucket.

2873
01:36:50,884 --> 01:36:53,284
In reality, $2.8 million can

2874
01:36:54,688 --> 01:36:55,255
only help 60 homes, we have to

2875
01:36:55,255 --> 01:36:56,190
do better.

2876
01:36:56,190 --> 01:36:57,691
68 homes.

2877
01:36:57,691 --> 01:37:00,910
We were all wrong.

2878
01:37:00,460 --> 01:37:02,460
It was 68 homes.

2879
01:37:03,764 --> 01:37:06,934
Just to say that, I'm not going

2880
01:37:06,934 --> 01:37:09,236
to vote for the deferral.

2881
01:37:09,236 --> 01:37:11,380
I do think when we're talking

2882
01:37:11,380 --> 01:37:12,339
about some of these things, even

2883
01:37:12,339 --> 01:37:14,474
budgetary how we need these

2884
01:37:14,474 --> 01:37:15,877
things and how we need housing

2885
01:37:15,877 --> 01:37:18,645
rehabilitation and we need it in

2886
01:37:18,645 --> 01:37:20,781
more pockets of poverty and as

2887
01:37:20,781 --> 01:37:22,449
you can see the frustration from

2888
01:37:22,449 --> 01:37:24,651
some councilors here talking

2889
01:37:24,651 --> 01:37:26,453
about it they want it in their

2890
01:37:26,453 --> 01:37:27,954
area as well, this is a new

2891
01:37:27,954 --> 01:37:28,488
program that just started a few

2892
01:37:28,488 --> 01:37:30,488
years ago.

2893
01:37:30,557 --> 01:37:34,127
And the demand out there is so

2894
01:37:34,127 --> 01:37:35,495
high that we're a little bit

2895
01:37:35,495 --> 01:37:37,497
behind the eight ball.

2896
01:37:37,497 --> 01:37:38,498
I hope when we talk about the

2897
01:37:38,498 --> 01:37:39,934
budget, we do that.

2898
01:37:39,934 --> 01:37:41,434
And when we talk about

2899
01:37:41,434 --> 01:37:43,834
affordable housing dollars, I

2900
01:37:44,404 --> 01:37:46,373
know it helps the bigger cause,

2901
01:37:46,373 --> 01:37:49,373
but putting everything just into

2902
01:37:49,744 --> 01:37:51,744
affordable housing doesn't

2903
01:37:51,912 --> 01:37:52,412
address our neighbors in our

2904
01:37:52,412 --> 01:37:54,412
community.

2905
01:37:55,849 --> 01:37:57,550
With that, I will go to

2906
01:37:57,550 --> 01:37:57,884
councilor grout for her main

2907
01:37:57,884 --> 01:37:59,252
motion.

2908
01:37:59,252 --> 01:38:01,621
>>coun. Grout: I would like to

2909
01:38:01,621 --> 01:38:06,192
defer it for two weeks so we can

2910
01:38:06,192 --> 01:38:09,610
have a little bit more offline

2911
01:38:09,610 --> 01:38:09,429
conversations and plan going

2912
01:38:09,429 --> 01:38:10,330
forward.

2913
01:38:10,330 --> 01:38:11,564
I think it's great program.

2914
01:38:11,564 --> 01:38:13,964
I'm all for it.

2915
01:38:15,735 --> 01:38:16,569
But I have some questions.

2916
01:38:16,569 --> 01:38:20,169
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

2917
01:38:20,873 --> 01:38:21,374
and a second for a two-week

2918
01:38:21,374 --> 01:38:22,709
deferral.

2919
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:23,576
[Roll call].

2920
01:38:23,576 --> 01:38:25,110
>>coun. Baca: yes.

2921
01:38:25,110 --> 01:38:26,713
>>coun. Bassan: no.

2922
01:38:26,713 --> 01:38:28,713
>>coun. Champine: yes.

2923
01:38:28,815 --> 01:38:30,683
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

2924
01:38:30,683 --> 01:38:32,683
>>coun. Grout: yes.

2925
01:38:32,819 --> 01:38:34,819
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

2926
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:37,880
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

2927
01:38:37,190 --> 01:38:37,790
>>coun. Telles: yes.

2928
01:38:37,790 --> 01:38:40,190
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

2929
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:42,610
>> passes on a 7-2 vote.

2930
01:38:42,610 --> 01:38:43,496
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

2931
01:38:43,496 --> 01:38:45,896
We're now on announcements,

2932
01:38:47,567 --> 01:38:49,567
which is item 9.

2933
01:38:49,735 --> 01:38:51,238
Councilor lewis.

2934
01:38:51,238 --> 01:38:52,305
>>coun. Lewis: one second.

2935
01:38:52,305 --> 01:38:53,606
There will be a finance

2936
01:38:53,606 --> 01:38:55,606
government operations committee

2937
01:38:56,409 --> 01:38:57,710
meeting on monday, AUGUST 10,

2938
01:38:57,710 --> 01:38:59,879
5:00 P.M. In city council

2939
01:38:59,879 --> 01:39:02,279
committee room, ninth floor

2940
01:39:03,482 --> 01:39:04,684
suite 9003 city of albuquerque

2941
01:39:04,684 --> 01:39:05,451
government center.

2942
01:39:05,451 --> 01:39:06,952
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor bassan.

2943
01:39:06,952 --> 01:39:07,720
>>coun. Bassan: there will be an

2944
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:09,221
intergovernmental legislative

2945
01:39:09,221 --> 01:39:11,190
relations committee meeting on

2946
01:39:11,190 --> 01:39:12,158
wednesday, AUGUST 5th at 3:00

2947
01:39:12,158 --> 01:39:13,893
P.M. Via zoom.

2948
01:39:13,893 --> 01:39:15,894
And there's a land use planning

2949
01:39:15,894 --> 01:39:18,130
zoning committee meeting on

2950
01:39:18,130 --> 01:39:19,310
wednesday, AUGUST 12th at 5:00

2951
01:39:19,310 --> 01:39:20,499
P.M. In the vincent e. Griego

2952
01:39:20,499 --> 01:39:21,300
chambers basement level of the

2953
01:39:21,300 --> 01:39:23,300
albuquerque government center.

2954
01:39:23,769 --> 01:39:25,437
This will be a hybrid meeting.

2955
01:39:25,437 --> 01:39:27,140
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you,

2956
01:39:27,140 --> 01:39:28,600
councilor bassan, for those two

2957
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,600
announcements.

2958
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:34,980
It is now 7:05.

2959
01:39:34,980 --> 01:39:35,514
I apologize.

2960
01:39:35,514 --> 01:39:36,515
Councilor rogers.

2961
01:39:36,515 --> 01:39:36,882
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

2962
01:39:36,882 --> 01:39:38,882
PRESIDENT.

2963
01:39:38,951 --> 01:39:40,919
I just wanted to announce we

2964
01:39:40,919 --> 01:39:41,987
have national night out tomorrow

2965
01:39:41,987 --> 01:39:43,987
across the city.

2966
01:39:45,557 --> 01:39:47,359
If you google cabq national

2967
01:39:47,359 --> 01:39:48,628
night out you can find one at a

2968
01:39:48,628 --> 01:39:51,628
park or somewhere near you.

2969
01:39:51,931 --> 01:39:54,399
I think we have over 40 events

2970
01:39:54,399 --> 01:39:55,901
across the entire city.

2971
01:39:55,901 --> 01:39:57,436
Me and councilor baca compete

2972
01:39:57,436 --> 01:39:59,836
for who has more.

2973
01:40:00,472 --> 01:40:04,843
I think he has beat me by one.

2974
01:40:04,843 --> 01:40:05,978
District six has seven events to

2975
01:40:05,978 --> 01:40:07,978
join us.

2976
01:40:07,980 --> 01:40:09,181
All the council districts.

2977
01:40:09,181 --> 01:40:09,514
I encourage everybody to come

2978
01:40:09,514 --> 01:40:11,283
out.

2979
01:40:11,283 --> 01:40:13,185
This is about engaging in a

2980
01:40:13,185 --> 01:40:15,870
different way with our

2981
01:40:15,870 --> 01:40:17,487
neighbors, with each other,

2982
01:40:17,923 --> 01:40:18,290
neighborhood associations, city

2983
01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:20,580
leaders.

2984
01:40:20,580 --> 01:40:21,727
All of us I'm sure are making

2985
01:40:21,727 --> 01:40:23,727
the rounds.

2986
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:26,398
I know directors are getting

2987
01:40:26,398 --> 01:40:27,732
assigned.

2988
01:40:27,732 --> 01:40:29,701
It's really one of my favorite

2989
01:40:29,701 --> 01:40:30,135
times to humanize each other to

2990
01:40:30,135 --> 01:40:32,135
each other.

2991
01:40:32,838 --> 01:40:33,205
We're all in this albuquerque

2992
01:40:33,205 --> 01:40:34,372
together.

2993
01:40:34,372 --> 01:40:37,476
And national night out is a

2994
01:40:37,476 --> 01:40:38,843
really good time for us to break

2995
01:40:38,843 --> 01:40:40,843
bread together.

2996
01:40:41,513 --> 01:40:43,348
I'm hosting one at daniel

2997
01:40:43,348 --> 01:40:45,283
webster park.

2998
01:40:45,283 --> 01:40:48,283
We have taco tuesday happening.

2999
01:40:49,787 --> 01:40:52,570
and we have rockin' rob and dj's

3000
01:40:52,570 --> 01:40:53,925
spinning the ones and twos.

3001
01:40:53,925 --> 01:40:55,460
I encourage everyone to come on

3002
01:40:55,460 --> 01:40:56,861
out and find one near you.

3003
01:40:56,861 --> 01:40:58,229
Let's fellowship together.

3004
01:40:58,229 --> 01:41:00,310
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

3005
01:41:00,310 --> 01:41:01,867
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you,

3006
01:41:01,867 --> 01:41:03,867
councilor rogers.

3007
01:41:04,669 --> 01:41:06,669
Now, it is 7:08.

3008
01:41:06,704 --> 01:41:07,839
We are going to take a dinner

3009
01:41:07,839 --> 01:41:09,541
break.

3010
01:41:09,541 --> 01:41:11,541
We'll return at 7:40.

3011
01:41:15,812 --> 01:41:18,812
>>coun. Pe}a: okay, everyone.

3012
01:41:18,982 --> 01:41:21,382
We're back in session.

3013
01:41:23,653 --> 01:41:24,870
We're now on item 10, financial

3014
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:25,722
instruments.

3015
01:41:25,722 --> 01:41:28,722
This is councilor baca by

3016
01:41:29,126 --> 01:41:29,826
request.

3017
01:41:29,826 --> 01:41:31,826
O-38.

3018
01:41:36,567 --> 01:41:38,101
Councilor baca.

3019
01:41:38,101 --> 01:41:39,202
>>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

3020
01:41:39,202 --> 01:41:40,570
PRESIDENT.

3021
01:41:40,570 --> 01:41:42,505
O-38, authorizing the issuance

3022
01:41:42,505 --> 01:41:45,241
and sale of the albuquerque, new

3023
01:41:45,241 --> 01:41:47,241
mexico, taxable industrial

3024
01:41:47,377 --> 01:41:49,777
revenue bond sawmill hotel

3025
01:41:50,114 --> 01:41:52,514
projects series 2026 in the

3026
01:41:54,184 --> 01:41:56,184
principle amount of $40.2

3027
01:41:57,420 --> 01:42:00,420
million to construct improve the

3028
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,920
sawmill dream catcher hotel and

3029
01:42:05,261 --> 01:42:05,562
hampton suites with 130 guest

3030
01:42:05,562 --> 01:42:07,562
rooms.

3031
01:42:07,564 --> 01:42:07,898
I guess we open it up to public

3032
01:42:07,898 --> 01:42:09,898
comment.

3033
01:42:10,568 --> 01:42:14,768
>>coun. Pe}a: was that a motion?

3034
01:42:25,915 --> 01:42:28,785
You need to make a motion.

3035
01:42:28,785 --> 01:42:29,686
There's a motion, and a second

3036
01:42:29,686 --> 01:42:32,686
by councilor fiebelkorn for do

3037
01:42:34,591 --> 01:42:35,859
pass of o-38.

3038
01:42:35,859 --> 01:42:37,293
Councilor baca to open.

3039
01:42:37,293 --> 01:42:37,661
>>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

3040
01:42:37,661 --> 01:42:38,661
PRESIDENT.

3041
01:42:38,661 --> 01:42:41,131
I think I'd like to start with

3042
01:42:41,131 --> 01:42:42,198
public comment on this one.

3043
01:42:42,198 --> 01:42:44,598
Everybody has been waiting.

3044
01:42:46,436 --> 01:42:47,237
We have quite a few people.

3045
01:42:47,237 --> 01:42:49,637
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

3046
01:42:50,540 --> 01:42:51,941
Call our first speaker, garret.

3047
01:42:51,941 --> 01:42:54,341
>> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

3048
01:42:54,678 --> 01:42:57,678
Our first speaker is senator

3049
01:43:05,755 --> 01:43:08,155
o'malley followed by lisa.

3050
01:43:10,694 --> 01:43:13,296
>> MADAM Chair, I do have a

3051
01:43:13,296 --> 01:43:15,832
handout just so you can get a

3052
01:43:15,832 --> 01:43:18,702
sense of the -- you know, it's a

3053
01:43:18,702 --> 01:43:21,702
very primitive drawing, but it

3054
01:43:24,641 --> 01:43:25,342
gives you a sense of where we're

3055
01:43:25,342 --> 01:43:27,430
talking about.

3056
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:28,712
Good evening, MADAM PRESIDENT,

3057
01:43:28,712 --> 01:43:31,112
councilors, I'm debbie o'malley.

3058
01:43:31,781 --> 01:43:33,484
I serve as advisor to the board

3059
01:43:33,484 --> 01:43:34,170
of directors for the sawmill

3060
01:43:34,170 --> 01:43:35,952
land trust.

3061
01:43:35,952 --> 01:43:38,356
I do want to say I appreciate

3062
01:43:38,356 --> 01:43:39,824
you have taken our concerns into

3063
01:43:39,824 --> 01:43:42,125
consideration regarding the irb

3064
01:43:42,125 --> 01:43:42,492
for hotel in the sawmill

3065
01:43:42,492 --> 01:43:44,492
district.

3066
01:43:46,429 --> 01:43:48,398
I did get a call from the

3067
01:43:48,398 --> 01:43:50,398
developer on thursday.

3068
01:43:52,168 --> 01:43:54,237
I met with him that afternoon.

3069
01:43:54,237 --> 01:43:55,138
He said he wants to move forward

3070
01:43:55,138 --> 01:43:57,138
with five stories.

3071
01:43:58,508 --> 01:43:59,209
That is the model he based his

3072
01:43:59,209 --> 01:44:01,209
model on.

3073
01:44:02,450 --> 01:44:03,714
Any change to the model would

3074
01:44:03,714 --> 01:44:05,315
require he reevaluate whether

3075
01:44:05,315 --> 01:44:06,750
that project is feasible.

3076
01:44:06,750 --> 01:44:07,150
That's what happens when you do

3077
01:44:07,150 --> 01:44:08,452
development.

3078
01:44:08,452 --> 01:44:09,886
In particular, we do a private

3079
01:44:09,886 --> 01:44:12,286
development and you're asking

3080
01:44:12,589 --> 01:44:14,124
for tax subsidies.

3081
01:44:14,124 --> 01:44:17,124
It's not a static thing.

3082
01:44:17,394 --> 01:44:17,727
You have to revise it because of

3083
01:44:17,727 --> 01:44:19,530
changes.

3084
01:44:19,530 --> 01:44:20,831
That argument could be made that

3085
01:44:20,831 --> 01:44:22,165
feasibility is placed on a

3086
01:44:22,165 --> 01:44:24,100
number of units.

3087
01:44:24,100 --> 01:44:25,503
We're not suggesting that he

3088
01:44:25,503 --> 01:44:27,504
reduce the number of rooms,

3089
01:44:27,504 --> 01:44:30,341
we're just suggesting the height

3090
01:44:30,341 --> 01:44:30,707
standards listed in mx-m be

3091
01:44:30,707 --> 01:44:32,707
followed.

3092
01:44:32,909 --> 01:44:34,344
He also stated he would not put

3093
01:44:34,344 --> 01:44:35,912
windows on the side of the

3094
01:44:35,912 --> 01:44:38,581
hotels so the people could not

3095
01:44:38,581 --> 01:44:40,981
look into people's yards.

3096
01:44:42,118 --> 01:44:44,788
Since it would be next to single

3097
01:44:44,788 --> 01:44:46,788
family housing.

3098
01:44:50,694 --> 01:44:52,962
That would be pretty weird.

3099
01:44:52,962 --> 01:44:54,864
he also said he was approved for

3100
01:44:54,864 --> 01:44:55,499
variance of a building for 60

3101
01:44:55,499 --> 01:44:57,401
feet.

3102
01:44:57,401 --> 01:44:59,436
Assuming this is true, he would

3103
01:44:59,436 --> 01:44:59,736
have a variance for up to 60

3104
01:44:59,736 --> 01:45:01,571
feet.

3105
01:45:01,571 --> 01:45:03,573
This is not a requirement he

3106
01:45:03,573 --> 01:45:05,573
build to 60 feet.

3107
01:45:10,914 --> 01:45:11,949
This council has a right to

3108
01:45:11,949 --> 01:45:13,949
lower the irb.

3109
01:45:15,852 --> 01:45:17,521
If it's the council's wish to

3110
01:45:17,521 --> 01:45:20,521
approve, we wish the restriction

3111
01:45:20,924 --> 01:45:23,394
for height and traffic for exit

3112
01:45:23,394 --> 01:45:23,760
and entering the development be

3113
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,760
supported.

3114
01:45:27,764 --> 01:45:30,164
Thank you so much.

3115
01:45:33,470 --> 01:45:34,304
>> lisa followed by michael.

3116
01:45:34,304 --> 01:45:36,304
>> hello.

3117
01:45:36,573 --> 01:45:38,410
It's been a while.

3118
01:45:38,410 --> 01:45:40,176
Thank you so very much.

3119
01:45:40,176 --> 01:45:41,211
I'm here on behalf of new mexico

3120
01:45:41,211 --> 01:45:42,746
stronger together coalition.

3121
01:45:42,746 --> 01:45:44,746
As the founder.

3122
01:45:45,749 --> 01:45:48,749
Speaking to o-26-38, we

3123
01:45:49,553 --> 01:45:51,354
recognize that we are in need of

3124
01:45:51,354 --> 01:45:53,857
businesses and hotels and places

3125
01:45:53,857 --> 01:45:55,693
for people to stay when they

3126
01:45:55,693 --> 01:45:57,660
come and visit.

3127
01:45:57,660 --> 01:45:59,629
What we have been looking at and

3128
01:45:59,629 --> 01:46:00,964
for myself individually I very

3129
01:46:00,964 --> 01:46:02,432
much appreciate the patience

3130
01:46:02,432 --> 01:46:04,432
we've had.

3131
01:46:04,901 --> 01:46:06,837
And not ramrodding things and

3132
01:46:06,837 --> 01:46:07,204
taking the time and listening to

3133
01:46:07,204 --> 01:46:09,204
community.

3134
01:46:09,639 --> 01:46:11,242
The reality is you can make a

3135
01:46:11,242 --> 01:46:12,742
hotel and force one to be there,

3136
01:46:12,742 --> 01:46:14,577
that doesn't mean the community

3137
01:46:14,577 --> 01:46:14,911
is going to accept it or

3138
01:46:14,911 --> 01:46:16,780
partner.

3139
01:46:16,780 --> 01:46:18,140
I would encourage us to go at

3140
01:46:18,140 --> 01:46:19,283
the pace of the community that

3141
01:46:19,283 --> 01:46:20,450
lives there.

3142
01:46:20,450 --> 01:46:23,587
That doesn't mean you can't get

3143
01:46:23,587 --> 01:46:25,221
a hotel, I'm just asking -- and

3144
01:46:25,221 --> 01:46:27,580
thank you to the developers and

3145
01:46:27,580 --> 01:46:27,857
listening and partnering with

3146
01:46:27,857 --> 01:46:29,726
our community.

3147
01:46:29,726 --> 01:46:33,326
Our goal going forward is we

3148
01:46:33,897 --> 01:46:34,265
don't have to be at odds for tax

3149
01:46:34,265 --> 01:46:36,660
subsidies.

3150
01:46:36,660 --> 01:46:37,834
But we can do this together.

3151
01:46:37,834 --> 01:46:38,968
Community is not opposed to

3152
01:46:38,968 --> 01:46:41,271
development, just include us.

3153
01:46:41,271 --> 01:46:43,271
Please.

3154
01:46:56,820 --> 01:46:59,220
>> michael followed by austin.

3155
01:47:09,632 --> 01:47:11,768
Austin followed by peat.

3156
01:47:11,768 --> 01:47:12,135
>> I've never done formal

3157
01:47:12,135 --> 01:47:13,603
speaking.

3158
01:47:13,603 --> 01:47:15,472
Deal with me.

3159
01:47:15,472 --> 01:47:17,741
I'm a new mexico native, born

3160
01:47:17,741 --> 01:47:21,341
and raised in the north valley.

3161
01:47:23,446 --> 01:47:23,847
I went to st. Pious and went to

3162
01:47:23,847 --> 01:47:25,749
unm.

3163
01:47:25,749 --> 01:47:28,818
I wanted to get off it the

3164
01:47:28,818 --> 01:47:30,588
sidelines and be proactive on

3165
01:47:30,588 --> 01:47:31,354
voicing my opinion in the

3166
01:47:31,354 --> 01:47:33,354
community.

3167
01:47:34,357 --> 01:47:38,194
I'm in support of the new hotel

3168
01:47:38,194 --> 01:47:40,530
in the sawmill district.

3169
01:47:40,530 --> 01:47:42,866
After looking into a night for

3170
01:47:42,866 --> 01:47:45,266
special occasion and closer

3171
01:47:45,435 --> 01:47:49,350
hotels in the area, it ranges

3172
01:47:52,976 --> 01:47:55,120
from ch a -- chaco at $477.

3173
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:55,879
It's not doable for somebody

3174
01:47:55,879 --> 01:47:57,879
like me.

3175
01:47:59,490 --> 01:48:01,351
A nice likeally mid-range priced

3176
01:48:01,351 --> 01:48:04,351
hotel with walking distance and

3177
01:48:05,389 --> 01:48:05,655
the restaurant and old town and

3178
01:48:05,655 --> 01:48:07,655
dpal

3179
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:09,590
galleries and museums, I think

3180
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:12,659
it would be help with traffic.

3181
01:48:14,970 --> 01:48:14,398
More walking and people doing

3182
01:48:14,398 --> 01:48:15,632
that.

3183
01:48:15,632 --> 01:48:18,320
That's all I have.

3184
01:48:18,101 --> 01:48:19,869
Hopefully that's enough.

3185
01:48:19,869 --> 01:48:20,236
I think it would be a great

3186
01:48:20,236 --> 01:48:22,236
addition.

3187
01:48:22,405 --> 01:48:26,605
Thank you so much for your time.

3188
01:48:33,249 --> 01:48:35,649
>> pete followed by tod.

3189
01:48:36,786 --> 01:48:40,524
>> I am the manager of plaza don

3190
01:48:40,524 --> 01:48:41,524
luiz and I own the taproom and

3191
01:48:41,524 --> 01:48:43,924
live in old town.

3192
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:45,295
I retired from the state police

3193
01:48:45,295 --> 01:48:47,197
in 2019 as the chief.

3194
01:48:47,197 --> 01:48:48,765
I know about crime and what goes

3195
01:48:48,765 --> 01:48:50,500
on in the area.

3196
01:48:50,500 --> 01:48:52,102
I support the development.

3197
01:48:52,102 --> 01:48:53,304
I think it's difficult for new

3198
01:48:53,304 --> 01:48:53,871
construction projects in old

3199
01:48:53,871 --> 01:48:55,871
town.

3200
01:48:56,306 --> 01:48:59,175
This is as close aswe're going

3201
01:48:59,175 --> 01:49:00,310
to get.

3202
01:49:00,310 --> 01:49:01,778
The developers decided not to

3203
01:49:01,778 --> 01:49:02,979
include a bar or restaurant,

3204
01:49:02,979 --> 01:49:04,714
which is great.

3205
01:49:04,714 --> 01:49:06,816
Because where are those folks

3206
01:49:06,816 --> 01:49:08,386
going that are staying there?

3207
01:49:08,386 --> 01:49:10,286
They're going to old town and

3208
01:49:10,286 --> 01:49:10,754
sawmill and visit the local

3209
01:49:10,754 --> 01:49:12,689
establishments.

3210
01:49:12,689 --> 01:49:14,491
I think it offers an affordable

3211
01:49:14,491 --> 01:49:16,260
place for the average tourist to

3212
01:49:16,260 --> 01:49:17,728
stay when they come to downtown

3213
01:49:17,728 --> 01:49:18,461
and old town which is great for

3214
01:49:18,461 --> 01:49:19,996
the community.

3215
01:49:19,996 --> 01:49:22,996
Creates some good jobs too.

3216
01:49:24,735 --> 01:49:25,969
For the irb, I feel it should be

3217
01:49:25,969 --> 01:49:27,170
extended to anyone as it has

3218
01:49:27,170 --> 01:49:29,570
been for other entities.

3219
01:49:29,572 --> 01:49:29,974
I fully support it.

3220
01:49:29,974 --> 01:49:31,974
Thank you.

3221
01:49:33,844 --> 01:49:36,244
>> haily followed by tom.

3222
01:49:37,810 --> 01:49:37,480
>> hello, MADAM PRESIDENT,

3223
01:49:37,480 --> 01:49:39,150
councilors.

3224
01:49:39,150 --> 01:49:41,751
I am here to express my support

3225
01:49:41,751 --> 01:49:44,421
for the industrial revenue bond.

3226
01:49:44,421 --> 01:49:47,924
My first point is that this

3227
01:49:47,924 --> 01:49:49,924
hotel will befality

3228
01:49:50,610 --> 01:49:52,610
nefit albuquerque.

3229
01:49:53,930 --> 01:49:55,930
It strengthen's albuquerque's

3230
01:49:56,199 --> 01:49:57,702
ability to compete with houston

3231
01:49:57,702 --> 01:49:59,702
and phoenix.

3232
01:50:00,236 --> 01:50:02,636
Meeting planners consider many

3233
01:50:03,707 --> 01:50:05,309
factors when considering

3234
01:50:05,309 --> 01:50:06,776
destinations including

3235
01:50:06,776 --> 01:50:08,776
availability of programs.

3236
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:10,814
We want to become part of the

3237
01:50:10,814 --> 01:50:12,550
community and create meaningful

3238
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:14,950
long-term careers for residents.

3239
01:50:15,919 --> 01:50:16,786
Sun capital hotels has a

3240
01:50:16,786 --> 01:50:18,880
leadership development program

3241
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:19,356
available to every employee not

3242
01:50:19,356 --> 01:50:20,924
just a select few.

3243
01:50:20,924 --> 01:50:23,324
And an employee's current

3244
01:50:23,626 --> 01:50:25,628
position does not determine how

3245
01:50:25,628 --> 01:50:27,464
they can -- a person can begin

3246
01:50:27,464 --> 01:50:29,640
in housekeeping, maintenance or

3247
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:30,734
front desk and development into

3248
01:50:30,734 --> 01:50:31,434
a supervisor department head or

3249
01:50:31,434 --> 01:50:33,200
general manager.

3250
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:34,204
For these reasons, I

3251
01:50:34,204 --> 01:50:36,373
respectfully ask you to support

3252
01:50:36,373 --> 01:50:40,573
this irb and thank you for your

3253
01:50:42,445 --> 01:50:44,445
consideration.

3254
01:50:45,882 --> 01:50:48,251
>> dina followed by aaron.

3255
01:50:48,251 --> 01:50:50,251
>> good evening, everybody.

3256
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:54,240
I'm the general manager of

3257
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:56,240
albuquerque uptown.

3258
01:50:56,894 --> 01:50:58,461
I've been -- I spent over 17

3259
01:50:58,461 --> 01:50:58,828
years in the hospitality

3260
01:50:58,828 --> 01:51:00,698
industry.

3261
01:51:00,698 --> 01:51:02,866
I'm in support of improving the

3262
01:51:02,866 --> 01:51:04,601
irb for the project.

3263
01:51:04,601 --> 01:51:07,100
I understand concerns about

3264
01:51:07,304 --> 01:51:09,704
traffic and architecture and

3265
01:51:11,441 --> 01:51:11,875
bringing a hillton bran into old

3266
01:51:11,875 --> 01:51:13,376
town.

3267
01:51:13,376 --> 01:51:15,178
It will be locally owned and

3268
01:51:15,178 --> 01:51:16,681
operated and create local jobs

3269
01:51:16,681 --> 01:51:18,683
while generating tax revenue

3270
01:51:18,683 --> 01:51:20,818
that stays in the community.

3271
01:51:20,818 --> 01:51:22,787
Most importantly, hotels don't

3272
01:51:22,787 --> 01:51:23,154
just serve tourists, they serve

3273
01:51:23,154 --> 01:51:25,154
neighbors.

3274
01:51:26,890 --> 01:51:28,489
Every year, families are

3275
01:51:28,892 --> 01:51:31,292
displaced because of house

3276
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:33,830
fires, flooding, mold and other

3277
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:35,830
emergencies.

3278
01:51:35,999 --> 01:51:37,667
Most homeowners insurance

3279
01:51:37,667 --> 01:51:39,869
include coverage for temporary

3280
01:51:39,869 --> 01:51:40,403
hotel stays when a home is no

3281
01:51:40,403 --> 01:51:42,403
longer safe.

3282
01:51:43,574 --> 01:51:44,941
Allowing families to stay close

3283
01:51:44,941 --> 01:51:46,941
door communities.

3284
01:51:47,844 --> 01:51:49,512
Throughout my career I've seen

3285
01:51:49,512 --> 01:51:51,681
them stay with us for weeks and

3286
01:51:51,681 --> 01:51:52,682
months while they put their

3287
01:51:52,682 --> 01:51:54,682
lives back together.

3288
01:51:54,784 --> 01:51:56,786
Having quality affordable hotels

3289
01:51:56,786 --> 01:51:58,155
means our residents have a safe

3290
01:51:58,155 --> 01:51:59,622
place to go during some of the

3291
01:51:59,622 --> 01:51:59,924
most difficult times in their

3292
01:51:59,924 --> 01:52:01,758
life.

3293
01:52:01,758 --> 01:52:04,758
These hotels will also provide

3294
01:52:05,128 --> 01:52:07,630
an affordable option for local

3295
01:52:07,630 --> 01:52:07,430
families, hosting out of town

3296
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:08,990
visitors.

3297
01:52:08,990 --> 01:52:10,500
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

3298
01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:12,900
Your time is up.

3299
01:52:15,205 --> 01:52:16,474
>> aaron followed by bernice.

3300
01:52:16,474 --> 01:52:18,474
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

3301
01:52:18,975 --> 01:52:19,309
thank you for having us here

3302
01:52:19,309 --> 01:52:20,844
tonight.

3303
01:52:20,844 --> 01:52:22,178
Sun capital hotels changed the

3304
01:52:22,178 --> 01:52:23,646
path of my career by believing

3305
01:52:23,646 --> 01:52:27,246
in me and giving me the

3306
01:52:27,484 --> 01:52:27,817
opportunity to become a general

3307
01:52:27,817 --> 01:52:29,719
manager.

3308
01:52:29,719 --> 01:52:31,488
They saw the skills I already

3309
01:52:31,488 --> 01:52:32,922
had and invested in my potential

3310
01:52:32,922 --> 01:52:34,491
and trusted me to take the

3311
01:52:34,491 --> 01:52:37,293
challenge to help me grow in

3312
01:52:37,293 --> 01:52:38,280
ways I never imagined.

3313
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:39,290
Though this opportunity --

3314
01:52:39,290 --> 01:52:40,464
through this opportunity, I

3315
01:52:40,464 --> 01:52:43,464
learned how to solve new

3316
01:52:43,566 --> 01:52:44,100
construction and pre-opening

3317
01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:46,100
challenges.

3318
01:52:46,136 --> 01:52:47,705
Train and develop employees, and

3319
01:52:47,705 --> 01:52:48,405
set up new business for

3320
01:52:48,405 --> 01:52:50,405
long-term success.

3321
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:53,770
Most importantly, I was able to

3322
01:52:53,770 --> 01:52:54,644
help others by hiring a local

3323
01:52:54,644 --> 01:52:57,440
team, building strong company

3324
01:52:57,470 --> 01:52:59,447
culture and developing future

3325
01:52:59,482 --> 01:53:00,950
leaders with sun capital hotels.

3326
01:53:00,950 --> 01:53:03,420
This experience shows me that

3327
01:53:03,420 --> 01:53:05,889
sun capital hotels truly einvest

3328
01:53:05,889 --> 01:53:07,624
in people, promotes from within

3329
01:53:07,624 --> 01:53:09,292
and prepares team members for

3330
01:53:09,292 --> 01:53:09,726
successful leadership

3331
01:53:09,726 --> 01:53:11,280
opportunities.

3332
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,763
I am grateful for the trust they

3333
01:53:13,763 --> 01:53:15,131
placed in me because not only

3334
01:53:15,131 --> 01:53:17,267
did it change my career, degave

3335
01:53:17,267 --> 01:53:18,436
me the chance to help shape

3336
01:53:18,436 --> 01:53:20,436
career for others.

3337
01:53:20,437 --> 01:53:22,437
Thank you.

3338
01:53:24,941 --> 01:53:27,341
>> bernice followed by robert.

3339
01:53:28,845 --> 01:53:29,780
>> good evening, PRESIDENT,

3340
01:53:29,780 --> 01:53:31,780
councilors.

3341
01:53:35,618 --> 01:53:37,754
I live in the -- I am the

3342
01:53:37,754 --> 01:53:39,754
executive housekeeper there.

3343
01:53:40,190 --> 01:53:42,726
Throughout my career, I assist

3344
01:53:42,726 --> 01:53:45,126
with the leadership development

3345
01:53:46,396 --> 01:53:48,298
program at sun capitals program.

3346
01:53:48,298 --> 01:53:50,330
I have experienced significant

3347
01:53:50,330 --> 01:53:52,268
personal and professional growth

3348
01:53:52,268 --> 01:53:54,337
as I have developed I also

3349
01:53:54,337 --> 01:53:56,737
remain committed to supporting

3350
01:53:56,940 --> 01:53:58,409
the growth of and success to

3351
01:53:58,409 --> 01:54:01,409
supporting the growth in success

3352
01:54:01,978 --> 01:54:02,412
to others by encouraging

3353
01:54:02,412 --> 01:54:04,412
opportunities.

3354
01:54:04,781 --> 01:54:06,783
I believe these new projects

3355
01:54:06,783 --> 01:54:08,783
represents an exceptional

3356
01:54:11,540 --> 01:54:12,722
opportunity not only for the

3357
01:54:12,722 --> 01:54:14,691
companies expansion, but also

3358
01:54:14,691 --> 01:54:17,910
for the professional development

3359
01:54:18,294 --> 01:54:19,830
for our employees.

3360
01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:21,650
It would create new career

3361
01:54:21,650 --> 01:54:23,134
paths, strengthen our workforce

3362
01:54:23,134 --> 01:54:24,267
and provide meaningful

3363
01:54:24,267 --> 01:54:26,267
employment opportunities for

3364
01:54:28,171 --> 01:54:30,571
members of our community.

3365
01:54:31,174 --> 01:54:33,174
Thank you.

3366
01:54:36,946 --> 01:54:37,948
>> robert followed by adrian.

3367
01:54:37,948 --> 01:54:39,917
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, fellow

3368
01:54:39,917 --> 01:54:41,917
council members.

3369
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:45,388
I am the general manager of

3370
01:54:45,388 --> 01:54:47,388
fairfield inn.

3371
01:54:47,457 --> 01:54:48,792
I grew up near central avenue

3372
01:54:48,792 --> 01:54:50,427
near old town.

3373
01:54:50,427 --> 01:54:51,294
I am proud to call albuquerque

3374
01:54:51,294 --> 01:54:53,294
home.

3375
01:54:53,664 --> 01:54:54,364
I worked in hospitality for 18

3376
01:54:54,364 --> 01:54:56,364
years.

3377
01:54:56,700 --> 01:54:58,101
Starting in housekeeping and

3378
01:54:58,101 --> 01:54:58,401
working my way up through the

3379
01:54:58,401 --> 01:55:00,401
ranks.

3380
01:55:01,104 --> 01:55:02,972
Before joining sun capital

3381
01:55:02,972 --> 01:55:04,507
hotels I held leadership

3382
01:55:04,507 --> 01:55:05,508
positions and they gave me the

3383
01:55:05,508 --> 01:55:08,478
opportunity to grow in my

3384
01:55:08,478 --> 01:55:10,480
current role as general manager.

3385
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:12,582
Sun capital believes in

3386
01:55:12,582 --> 01:55:14,180
investing in people and the

3387
01:55:14,180 --> 01:55:14,451
opportunity to attend

3388
01:55:14,451 --> 01:55:16,451
conferences.

3389
01:55:17,454 --> 01:55:18,988
I was given the tools to grow

3390
01:55:18,988 --> 01:55:20,457
professionally and personally.

3391
01:55:20,457 --> 01:55:21,258
Today, I have the privilege of

3392
01:55:21,258 --> 01:55:23,258
paying that forward.

3393
01:55:23,693 --> 01:55:24,940
I mentor and development

3394
01:55:24,940 --> 01:55:25,729
employees.

3395
01:55:25,729 --> 01:55:26,964
I am proud to say two of my

3396
01:55:26,964 --> 01:55:28,331
associates completed leadership

3397
01:55:28,331 --> 01:55:29,632
programs and managed departments

3398
01:55:29,632 --> 01:55:31,102
of their own.

3399
01:55:31,102 --> 01:55:33,269
started from breakfast and now

3400
01:55:33,269 --> 01:55:35,739
are front office manager and

3401
01:55:35,739 --> 01:55:37,374
house keepers.

3402
01:55:37,374 --> 01:55:38,808
I built strong relationship with

3403
01:55:38,808 --> 01:55:40,410
local businesses especially

3404
01:55:40,410 --> 01:55:44,100
restaurants and I hope you guys

3405
01:55:47,718 --> 01:55:49,718
support this.

3406
01:55:53,289 --> 01:55:55,689
>> adrian followed by consuela.

3407
01:55:56,593 --> 01:55:58,261
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

3408
01:55:58,261 --> 01:55:58,628
I've spoken on behalf of this

3409
01:55:58,628 --> 01:56:00,530
before.

3410
01:56:00,530 --> 01:56:01,531
I'm asking you to protect the

3411
01:56:01,531 --> 01:56:03,531
sawmill district.

3412
01:56:03,834 --> 01:56:06,336
How I thought I could express my

3413
01:56:06,336 --> 01:56:09,336
thoughts in a one-minute session

3414
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:12,942
in front of you is best

3415
01:56:12,942 --> 01:56:15,942
illustrated by a koat channel 7

3416
01:56:16,246 --> 01:56:17,547
investigation that was done JUNE

3417
01:56:17,547 --> 01:56:19,482
13th of this year.

3418
01:56:19,482 --> 01:56:21,882
The headline reads, albuquerque

3419
01:56:22,152 --> 01:56:22,519
hotels denied booking to local

3420
01:56:22,519 --> 01:56:24,519
residents.

3421
01:56:28,425 --> 01:56:29,659
Two hilton inn expresses have

3422
01:56:29,659 --> 01:56:31,127
policies prohibiting local

3423
01:56:31,127 --> 01:56:33,527
residents from booking rooms.

3424
01:56:34,398 --> 01:56:35,566
With one citing concerns about

3425
01:56:35,566 --> 01:56:37,100
unsavory activity.

3426
01:56:37,100 --> 01:56:37,467
I can't read the whole article

3427
01:56:37,467 --> 01:56:38,668
to you.

3428
01:56:38,668 --> 01:56:40,871
What I'm asking you to do is

3429
01:56:40,871 --> 01:56:43,239
protect the sawmill district.

3430
01:56:43,239 --> 01:56:46,176
A limited service hotel in the

3431
01:56:46,176 --> 01:56:47,644
most culturally sensitive

3432
01:56:47,644 --> 01:56:49,913
district in the city that we've

3433
01:56:49,913 --> 01:56:51,948
worked so hard for the last 25

3434
01:56:51,948 --> 01:56:52,949
years to cure at something

3435
01:56:52,949 --> 01:56:55,585
special in the district with old

3436
01:56:55,585 --> 01:56:55,885
town and sawmill does not need

3437
01:56:55,885 --> 01:56:57,885
this.

3438
01:56:58,322 --> 01:56:58,789
Thank you very much for your

3439
01:56:58,789 --> 01:57:00,789
consideration.

3440
01:57:04,861 --> 01:57:07,261
>> consuela followed by viola.

3441
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:11,234
>> good afternoon.

3442
01:57:11,234 --> 01:57:13,203
Evening, actually, already.

3443
01:57:13,203 --> 01:57:15,538
I am a general manager for the

3444
01:57:15,538 --> 01:57:17,938
sun capital honechlz I

3445
01:57:18,842 --> 01:57:20,611
hotels.

3446
01:57:20,611 --> 01:57:22,512
Sun capital is one of the most

3447
01:57:22,512 --> 01:57:22,880
caring companies I ever worked

3448
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:24,140
for.

3449
01:57:24,140 --> 01:57:25,382
not only do their care about our

3450
01:57:25,382 --> 01:57:26,249
team members but they care about

3451
01:57:26,249 --> 01:57:28,249
our beautiful city.

3452
01:57:28,451 --> 01:57:30,687
We volunteer in our community,

3453
01:57:30,687 --> 01:57:31,821
purchase school supplies for our

3454
01:57:31,821 --> 01:57:33,757
team member's children.

3455
01:57:33,757 --> 01:57:37,227
We purchase turkeys and hams for

3456
01:57:37,227 --> 01:57:37,660
our team members over the the

3457
01:57:37,660 --> 01:57:39,660
holidays.

3458
01:57:39,896 --> 01:57:42,265
That's just a few things we do.

3459
01:57:42,265 --> 01:57:44,670
I worked at a hotel previously

3460
01:57:44,670 --> 01:57:45,636
owned by sun capital that was

3461
01:57:45,636 --> 01:57:48,636
sold to a different owner.

3462
01:57:50,640 --> 01:57:52,842
When the sale occurred, dapesh

3463
01:57:52,842 --> 01:57:54,844
gave me the opportunity to stay

3464
01:57:54,844 --> 01:57:56,780
with the same hotel or move to

3465
01:57:56,780 --> 01:57:57,514
another hotel within the sun

3466
01:57:57,514 --> 01:57:59,514
capital company.

3467
01:58:00,116 --> 01:58:02,860
At the time I chose to stay at

3468
01:58:02,860 --> 01:58:03,420
the hotel, I realized my home

3469
01:58:03,420 --> 01:58:05,523
was with sun capital.

3470
01:58:05,523 --> 01:58:09,723
He welcomed me back as a general

3471
01:58:12,620 --> 01:58:14,931
manager of an hilton hotel.

3472
01:58:14,931 --> 01:58:16,666
Hilton is not only a huge brand,

3473
01:58:16,666 --> 01:58:20,266
but sun capital is a local

3474
01:58:20,770 --> 01:58:22,940
company who takes pride and is

3475
01:58:22,940 --> 01:58:23,340
proud to be part of the city of

3476
01:58:23,340 --> 01:58:25,340
albuquerque.

3477
01:58:27,378 --> 01:58:30,378
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

3478
01:58:38,822 --> 01:58:39,522
>> viola followed by david.

3479
01:58:39,522 --> 01:58:41,522
>> good evening, MADAM

3480
01:58:42,659 --> 01:58:44,527
PRESIDENT, city councilors.

3481
01:58:44,527 --> 01:58:45,495
I am PRESIDENT Of the sawmill

3482
01:58:45,495 --> 01:58:47,430
land trust.

3483
01:58:47,430 --> 01:58:48,932
At the last meeting we all spoke

3484
01:58:48,932 --> 01:58:50,533
about the fact that the traffic

3485
01:58:50,533 --> 01:58:52,602
is becoming a worse problem in

3486
01:58:52,602 --> 01:58:54,602
the sawmill district.

3487
01:58:54,905 --> 01:58:56,873
And this five story hotel would

3488
01:58:56,873 --> 01:58:57,240
increase traffic along 18th

3489
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:58,875
street.

3490
01:58:58,875 --> 01:59:00,677
The developers said at that time

3491
01:59:00,677 --> 01:59:02,812
the traffic would be less than

3492
01:59:02,812 --> 01:59:04,848
that of an office building and

3493
01:59:04,848 --> 01:59:05,148
he did not have to get a traffic

3494
01:59:05,148 --> 01:59:07,148
study.

3495
01:59:07,384 --> 01:59:10,254
Maybe not for an irb, but likely

3496
01:59:10,254 --> 01:59:12,122
for a building permit.

3497
01:59:12,122 --> 01:59:14,157
The fact is 18th street is not

3498
01:59:14,157 --> 01:59:16,761
an arterial street that can

3499
01:59:16,761 --> 01:59:19,229
carry a lot of vehicle traffic.

3500
01:59:19,229 --> 01:59:22,829
It is a street where pedestrian

3501
01:59:23,660 --> 01:59:23,434
traffic, bicycle traffic is

3502
01:59:23,434 --> 01:59:25,201
paramount.

3503
01:59:25,201 --> 01:59:26,970
For these reasons, we ask our

3504
01:59:26,970 --> 01:59:28,905
councilors to move amendments

3505
01:59:28,905 --> 01:59:31,307
forward for traffic and height

3506
01:59:31,307 --> 01:59:31,574
as condition of approval for the

3507
01:59:31,574 --> 01:59:33,574
irb.

3508
01:59:34,110 --> 01:59:35,546
It is important we get it right

3509
01:59:35,546 --> 01:59:39,146
at this area that we consider

3510
01:59:41,518 --> 01:59:42,419
the adjacent land use and design

3511
01:59:42,419 --> 01:59:44,419
and neighborhood character.

3512
01:59:44,454 --> 01:59:48,654
Thank you so much for your time.

3513
01:59:51,795 --> 01:59:53,960
>> david, followed by orlando.

3514
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:56,696
>> I don't know if this camera

3515
01:59:57,267 --> 01:59:59,667
can focus on this.

3516
02:00:04,575 --> 02:00:06,444
Can it focus on that?

3517
02:00:06,444 --> 02:00:08,746
I'm PRESIDENT Of the sawmill

3518
02:00:08,746 --> 02:00:10,746
area neighborhood association.

3519
02:00:10,980 --> 02:00:11,414
And we are not opposed to the

3520
02:00:11,414 --> 02:00:13,249
development.

3521
02:00:13,249 --> 02:00:14,951
We think the idea of the hotel

3522
02:00:14,951 --> 02:00:16,951
is great.

3523
02:00:17,387 --> 02:00:18,655
I like the idea of the

3524
02:00:18,655 --> 02:00:20,224
mid-priced hotel.

3525
02:00:20,224 --> 02:00:20,590
But we're against the five

3526
02:00:20,590 --> 02:00:21,991
stories.

3527
02:00:21,991 --> 02:00:24,991
Three stories would be good.

3528
02:00:25,395 --> 02:00:28,395
Four stories, ehh, five stories

3529
02:00:28,998 --> 02:00:30,333
is the sort of thing that gets

3530
02:00:30,333 --> 02:00:30,735
the neighborhood association

3531
02:00:30,735 --> 02:00:31,768
irritated.

3532
02:00:31,768 --> 02:00:32,902
I think the council needs to

3533
02:00:32,902 --> 02:00:34,538
take that into account.

3534
02:00:34,538 --> 02:00:38,738
If you look at this map, it's

3535
02:00:39,100 --> 02:00:40,110
part of the packet you got

3536
02:00:40,110 --> 02:00:42,120
originally, the red dot is where

3537
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:44,470
the hotel is, what you'll note

3538
02:00:44,470 --> 02:00:44,681
is on this proposal they cut all

3539
02:00:44,681 --> 02:00:46,650
the neighborhood away.

3540
02:00:46,650 --> 02:00:46,951
All you have here is industrial

3541
02:00:46,951 --> 02:00:48,718
stuff.

3542
02:00:48,718 --> 02:00:49,190
You have the apartments in this

3543
02:00:49,190 --> 02:00:51,190
area.

3544
02:00:51,721 --> 02:00:53,289
But the rest of it is not where

3545
02:00:53,289 --> 02:00:54,958
folks live, most of the time.

3546
02:00:54,958 --> 02:00:56,159
Where the folks live is to the

3547
02:00:56,159 --> 02:00:58,159
east of that.

3548
02:00:58,628 --> 02:01:01,310
That will be impacted by a

3549
02:01:01,310 --> 02:01:03,310
five-story building.

3550
02:01:03,901 --> 02:01:05,690
I think that's a bit of the

3551
02:01:05,690 --> 02:01:08,690
metaphor for the procedure that

3552
02:01:08,171 --> 02:01:10,600
has gone on for this which is

3553
02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:12,600
worried about grt.

3554
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:12,375
We need to worry about the

3555
02:01:12,375 --> 02:01:13,576
neighbors.

3556
02:01:13,576 --> 02:01:16,576
For this reason, we're opposed

3557
02:01:17,347 --> 02:01:19,450
to a five-story building.

3558
02:01:19,450 --> 02:01:23,500
We're not opposed to a hotel.

3559
02:01:24,789 --> 02:01:25,880
>> orlando, followed by shaun on

3560
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:26,222
zoom.

3561
02:01:26,222 --> 02:01:27,491
>> good evening, MADAM

3562
02:01:27,491 --> 02:01:28,425
PRESIDENT, councilors.

3563
02:01:28,425 --> 02:01:30,494
I'm the executive director of

3564
02:01:30,494 --> 02:01:30,795
the sawmill community land

3565
02:01:30,795 --> 02:01:32,795
trust.

3566
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:37,960
I attended the meeting, the

3567
02:01:37,401 --> 02:01:39,401
communication consultant had.

3568
02:01:40,270 --> 02:01:42,472
As we mentioned at the last

3569
02:01:42,472 --> 02:01:44,441
meeting the land trust is

3570
02:01:44,441 --> 02:01:47,210
gearing up to the plan

3571
02:01:47,210 --> 02:01:49,210
repairening parcel.

3572
02:01:49,245 --> 02:01:49,546
Our effort include a traffic

3573
02:01:49,546 --> 02:01:50,347
study.

3574
02:01:50,347 --> 02:01:51,715
We appreciate the councilor

3575
02:01:51,715 --> 02:01:52,716
support for the effort.

3576
02:01:52,716 --> 02:01:54,884
Developments that exceed two

3577
02:01:54,884 --> 02:01:57,870
stories comply with the mxm none

3578
02:01:57,870 --> 02:01:59,789
of which exceed the maximum

3579
02:01:59,789 --> 02:02:00,959
height called out in the zon,

3580
02:02:00,959 --> 02:02:03,327
that's because the development

3581
02:02:03,327 --> 02:02:04,270
abuts a single family

3582
02:02:04,270 --> 02:02:05,261
subdivision.

3583
02:02:05,261 --> 02:02:06,296
We're asking the developers

3584
02:02:06,296 --> 02:02:08,310
consider the effort that height

3585
02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:08,398
and traffic on the existing

3586
02:02:08,398 --> 02:02:10,398
community.

3587
02:02:10,734 --> 02:02:12,303
This proposed hotel abuts an

3588
02:02:12,303 --> 02:02:12,736
older single family

3589
02:02:12,736 --> 02:02:14,736
neighborhood.

3590
02:02:15,772 --> 02:02:19,876
What is being proposed is a five

3591
02:02:19,876 --> 02:02:20,276
story boss, how is that

3592
02:02:20,276 --> 02:02:22,112
acceptable?

3593
02:02:22,112 --> 02:02:24,810
Please consider the amendments

3594
02:02:24,810 --> 02:02:27,681
to right that height comply with

3595
02:02:28,652 --> 02:02:30,388
mxm and any vehicular traffic

3596
02:02:30,388 --> 02:02:31,855
proposed enter and exit through

3597
02:02:31,855 --> 02:02:34,255
connection through 12th street.

3598
02:02:34,891 --> 02:02:36,459
>> shaun followed by jasper.

3599
02:02:36,459 --> 02:02:38,128
>>coun. Pe}a: one second.

3600
02:02:38,128 --> 02:02:39,563
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

3601
02:02:39,563 --> 02:02:42,366
I'd like to make you aware that

3602
02:02:42,366 --> 02:02:45,100
the site plan and building a

3603
02:02:45,100 --> 02:02:46,870
permit stage of the proposed

3604
02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:48,738
development is going to be

3605
02:02:48,738 --> 02:02:50,707
considered quasi-judicial

3606
02:02:50,707 --> 02:02:53,444
commentary on design and zoning

3607
02:02:53,444 --> 02:02:56,379
for the property should be

3608
02:02:56,379 --> 02:02:57,981
limited and that will be for

3609
02:02:57,981 --> 02:02:58,381
further discussion as this

3610
02:02:58,381 --> 02:03:00,381
progresses.

3611
02:03:02,652 --> 02:03:05,652
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

3612
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:09,920
>> shaun, followed by jasper.

3613
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:10,461
>> good evening, can everyone

3614
02:03:10,461 --> 02:03:12,461
hear me?

3615
02:03:13,464 --> 02:03:14,164
>> we hear you very well.

3616
02:03:14,164 --> 02:03:16,164
>> thank you.

3617
02:03:16,866 --> 02:03:17,768
I was born and raised in

3618
02:03:17,768 --> 02:03:19,768
albuquerque, new mexico.

3619
02:03:20,136 --> 02:03:21,137
And as someone that owns a small

3620
02:03:21,137 --> 02:03:22,839
local business in the north

3621
02:03:22,839 --> 02:03:24,541
valley, I care about our local

3622
02:03:24,541 --> 02:03:26,710
community and its growth.

3623
02:03:26,710 --> 02:03:28,678
I believe this hotel project by

3624
02:03:28,678 --> 02:03:31,114
sun capital will greatly benefit

3625
02:03:31,114 --> 02:03:33,483
albuquerque sawmill and the old

3626
02:03:33,483 --> 02:03:35,352
town area by supporting existing

3627
02:03:35,352 --> 02:03:36,954
businesses, replacing daytime

3628
02:03:36,954 --> 02:03:38,888
office traffic with vibrant

3629
02:03:38,888 --> 02:03:39,622
weekend and providing affordable

3630
02:03:39,622 --> 02:03:41,622
lodging.

3631
02:03:42,250 --> 02:03:43,159
There are tons of community and

3632
02:03:43,159 --> 02:03:45,159
economic benefits.

3633
02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:49,330
It will boost log

3634
02:03:49,330 --> 02:03:50,567
cal shops and

3635
02:03:50,567 --> 02:03:51,868
restaurants and museums.

3636
02:03:51,868 --> 02:03:54,504
This hotel in particular will

3637
02:03:54,504 --> 02:03:54,904
not have an on-site bar or

3638
02:03:54,904 --> 02:03:56,673
restaurant.

3639
02:03:56,673 --> 02:03:58,740
I see tremendous opportunity for

3640
02:03:58,740 --> 02:04:01,740
local growth that this project

3641
02:04:04,381 --> 02:04:05,882
will replace the 25,000 square

3642
02:04:05,882 --> 02:04:07,451
foot office building. It fills

3643
02:04:07,451 --> 02:04:09,486
the need for quality mid-scale

3644
02:04:09,486 --> 02:04:10,687
hotel that costs less than the

3645
02:04:10,687 --> 02:04:12,687
local luxury options.

3646
02:04:12,822 --> 02:04:13,791
This hotel will be affordable

3647
02:04:13,791 --> 02:04:15,458
and community based.

3648
02:04:15,458 --> 02:04:17,427
The architecture of this project

3649
02:04:17,427 --> 02:04:18,895
will match the existing theme of

3650
02:04:18,895 --> 02:04:20,997
sawmill and in turn make it a

3651
02:04:20,997 --> 02:04:21,364
great companion hotel to the

3652
02:04:21,364 --> 02:04:23,340
area.

3653
02:04:23,340 --> 02:04:26,634
It will create jobs and revenue

3654
02:04:26,870 --> 02:04:28,238
by generating construction jobs

3655
02:04:28,238 --> 02:04:30,374
permanent hospitality work and

3656
02:04:30,374 --> 02:04:31,675
opportunity for local workforce.

3657
02:04:31,675 --> 02:04:33,677
As someone who lived in

3658
02:04:33,677 --> 02:04:35,146
albuquerque their entire life, I

3659
02:04:35,146 --> 02:04:36,914
understand the want and the need

3660
02:04:36,914 --> 02:04:38,914
for this project.

3661
02:04:41,180 --> 02:04:42,352
It's local, affordable,

3662
02:04:42,352 --> 02:04:44,352
job-generating and encourages

3663
02:04:45,189 --> 02:04:48,124
positive traffic to the sawmill

3664
02:04:48,124 --> 02:04:50,524
and old town area.

3665
02:04:50,527 --> 02:04:52,927
Thank you very much.

3666
02:04:53,530 --> 02:04:55,432
>> jazz

3667
02:04:55,432 --> 02:04:55,932
sper followed by shane.

3668
02:04:55,932 --> 02:04:57,932
>> good evening.

3669
02:04:58,134 --> 02:05:01,734
I'm the owner of noisy water

3670
02:05:02,238 --> 02:05:04,375
winery and plaza don luis.

3671
02:05:04,375 --> 02:05:07,375
I support the sawmill project.

3672
02:05:09,346 --> 02:05:09,979
I see how tourism vanth

3673
02:05:09,979 --> 02:05:11,979
strengthens

3674
02:05:12,116 --> 02:05:14,116
local businesses.

3675
02:05:14,718 --> 02:05:15,552
For museums, wineries, shops and

3676
02:05:15,552 --> 02:05:17,952
attractions in the area.

3677
02:05:18,888 --> 02:05:19,824
I like this hotel is designed to

3678
02:05:19,824 --> 02:05:21,458
compliment the neighborhood.

3679
02:05:21,458 --> 02:05:23,860
Without the restaurant and bar

3680
02:05:23,860 --> 02:05:25,729
guests will explore old town and

3681
02:05:25,729 --> 02:05:27,497
sawmill supporting the

3682
02:05:27,497 --> 02:05:29,897
businesses that already invested

3683
02:05:31,301 --> 02:05:32,135
in the community, it generates

3684
02:05:32,135 --> 02:05:33,536
jobs and help albuquerque

3685
02:05:33,536 --> 02:05:33,937
continue to grow as a

3686
02:05:33,937 --> 02:05:35,572
destination.

3687
02:05:35,572 --> 02:05:36,474
I believe this is a thoughtful

3688
02:05:36,474 --> 02:05:37,540
redevelopment that will benefit

3689
02:05:37,540 --> 02:05:38,208
the surrounding neighborhood and

3690
02:05:38,208 --> 02:05:40,208
local economy.

3691
02:05:41,911 --> 02:05:42,278
I respectfully ask for your

3692
02:05:42,278 --> 02:05:42,645
support.

3693
02:05:42,645 --> 02:05:44,645
Thank you.

3694
02:05:58,495 --> 02:06:00,895
>> shane followed by douglas.

3695
02:06:03,134 --> 02:06:04,535
>> I'm the owner of rent macy

3696
02:06:04,535 --> 02:06:04,868
electric out of gallup, new

3697
02:06:04,868 --> 02:06:06,868
mexico.

3698
02:06:07,104 --> 02:06:08,405
We've had contract work in

3699
02:06:08,405 --> 02:06:10,805
albuquerque, which has required

3700
02:06:12,308 --> 02:06:14,644
us to house our employees.

3701
02:06:14,644 --> 02:06:17,881
And we usually have a hotel

3702
02:06:17,881 --> 02:06:18,615
about seven to ten rooms per

3703
02:06:18,615 --> 02:06:20,615
week.

3704
02:06:21,619 --> 02:06:24,120
Over the last several years.

3705
02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:26,220
I believe this hotel it will be

3706
02:06:26,220 --> 02:06:28,725
a tremendous benefit to have a

3707
02:06:28,725 --> 02:06:29,259
dual ground hotel built in the

3708
02:06:29,259 --> 02:06:30,660
sawmill district.

3709
02:06:30,660 --> 02:06:31,795
Not only for employees like mine

3710
02:06:31,795 --> 02:06:34,965
to stay but also for the

3711
02:06:34,965 --> 02:06:36,399
business travellers, leisure

3712
02:06:36,399 --> 02:06:37,967
travellers, they'll be able to

3713
02:06:37,967 --> 02:06:39,869
enjoy historic downtown and

3714
02:06:39,869 --> 02:06:40,604
newer restaurants and breweries

3715
02:06:40,604 --> 02:06:42,238
and entertainment.

3716
02:06:42,238 --> 02:06:45,838
All of this is within walking

3717
02:06:46,241 --> 02:06:47,177
distance of where this hotel is

3718
02:06:47,177 --> 02:06:49,177
going to be.

3719
02:06:50,413 --> 02:06:53,450
It would be great for the owners

3720
02:06:53,450 --> 02:06:54,551
of the businesses in that area

3721
02:06:54,551 --> 02:06:56,186
also.

3722
02:06:56,186 --> 02:06:58,456
I also have the opportunity to

3723
02:06:58,456 --> 02:07:00,523
work with sun capital hotels and

3724
02:07:00,523 --> 02:07:02,292
like the employees have said, he

3725
02:07:02,292 --> 02:07:03,827
also treats the people that he

3726
02:07:03,827 --> 02:07:06,827
works with the same way.

3727
02:07:07,831 --> 02:07:10,231
Please support this irb.

3728
02:07:14,171 --> 02:07:16,171
Thank you.

3729
02:07:28,180 --> 02:07:30,387
>> douglas, followed by ray.

3730
02:07:30,387 --> 02:07:32,387
>> good evening, everyone.

3731
02:07:33,890 --> 02:07:34,558
My name is dugerous

3732
02:07:34,558 --> 02:07:36,558
ouglas.

3733
02:07:37,127 --> 02:07:40,127
I live in phoenix, arizona.

3734
02:07:42,332 --> 02:07:42,799
I do almost all of my work in

3735
02:07:42,799 --> 02:07:44,799
albuquerque.

3736
02:07:47,805 --> 02:07:48,139
I'm also a diamond member at

3737
02:07:48,139 --> 02:07:50,139
hilton.

3738
02:07:52,676 --> 02:07:53,910
And I stay at hilton products.

3739
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:54,444
This would be great for me and

3740
02:07:54,444 --> 02:07:56,444
my business.

3741
02:07:56,479 --> 02:07:58,716
I do most of my meetings, as I

3742
02:07:58,716 --> 02:08:01,510
do not have a full-time office,

3743
02:08:01,510 --> 02:08:02,552
at local establishments,

3744
02:08:02,552 --> 02:08:04,287
restaurants, starbucks.

3745
02:08:04,287 --> 02:08:06,287
Any coffee shop.

3746
02:08:06,691 --> 02:08:07,557
This will be a great avenue to

3747
02:08:07,557 --> 02:08:09,526
stay and walk.

3748
02:08:09,526 --> 02:08:10,928
I'm usually there for about five

3749
02:08:10,928 --> 02:08:12,928
days per week.

3750
02:08:13,630 --> 02:08:17,230
Two or three times a month.

3751
02:08:18,680 --> 02:08:21,680
Thank you for your time.

3752
02:08:22,672 --> 02:08:24,208
>> ray followed by diana.

3753
02:08:24,208 --> 02:08:24,541
>> good afternoon, or good

3754
02:08:24,541 --> 02:08:26,541
evening.

3755
02:08:26,910 --> 02:08:28,111
Thank you for this opportunity.

3756
02:08:28,111 --> 02:08:30,460
I've been a citizen of

3757
02:08:30,460 --> 02:08:32,460
albuquerque for 30 years.

3758
02:08:32,749 --> 02:08:34,551
I want to give you a background

3759
02:08:34,551 --> 02:08:34,918
to give you context on my

3760
02:08:34,918 --> 02:08:36,586
comments.

3761
02:08:36,586 --> 02:08:38,655
I served as risk manager and

3762
02:08:38,655 --> 02:08:38,989
insurance broker for over 48

3763
02:08:38,989 --> 02:08:40,623
years.

3764
02:08:40,623 --> 02:08:43,623
I walked thousands of properties

3765
02:08:43,861 --> 02:08:46,529
and looked at many projects with

3766
02:08:46,529 --> 02:08:49,529
an eye toward risk management,

3767
02:08:49,566 --> 02:08:49,933
staft safety, commitment of the

3768
02:08:49,933 --> 02:08:51,933
developer.

3769
02:08:51,935 --> 02:08:53,370
I've also been working with sun

3770
02:08:53,370 --> 02:08:54,871
capital and the leadership team

3771
02:08:54,871 --> 02:08:56,606
for the last 15 years.

3772
02:08:56,606 --> 02:08:58,475
I've been privileged to watch

3773
02:08:58,475 --> 02:08:58,775
this leadership team work so

3774
02:08:58,775 --> 02:09:00,775
hard.

3775
02:09:01,211 --> 02:09:02,445
I worked and walked all of the

3776
02:09:02,445 --> 02:09:05,115
properties owned by sun capital

3777
02:09:05,115 --> 02:09:06,450
in the state of new mexico and

3778
02:09:06,450 --> 02:09:08,451
tell you without exception they

3779
02:09:08,451 --> 02:09:10,352
meet and exceed the standards

3780
02:09:10,352 --> 02:09:12,255
for life safety, public safety,

3781
02:09:12,255 --> 02:09:13,122
and fire prevention.

3782
02:09:13,122 --> 02:09:14,557
They work hard.

3783
02:09:14,557 --> 02:09:16,292
I've watched them and witnessed

3784
02:09:16,292 --> 02:09:18,361
them invest millions of dollars

3785
02:09:18,361 --> 02:09:20,630
into their property to ensure

3786
02:09:20,630 --> 02:09:22,800
that the property continues not

3787
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:25,335
only to be safe, but to be

3788
02:09:25,335 --> 02:09:25,635
aesthetically correct for the

3789
02:09:25,635 --> 02:09:27,635
areas.

3790
02:09:28,906 --> 02:09:30,641
Proof of that concept is what

3791
02:09:30,641 --> 02:09:32,942
they've done in the I-25

3792
02:09:32,942 --> 02:09:35,942
corridor as well as uptown.

3793
02:09:36,147 --> 02:09:37,747
I am in support of this project.

3794
02:09:37,747 --> 02:09:39,500
I am confident that sun capital

3795
02:09:39,500 --> 02:09:42,318
will deliver on their promise to

3796
02:09:42,318 --> 02:09:43,420
give you a quality product

3797
02:09:43,420 --> 02:09:44,388
that's safe for the public and

3798
02:09:44,388 --> 02:09:46,388
benefits the economy.

3799
02:09:51,161 --> 02:09:54,761
thank you for your time today.

3800
02:09:58,902 --> 02:10:00,700
>> diana followed by johnny.

3801
02:10:00,700 --> 02:10:03,700
Diana, you'll have to accept

3802
02:10:17,721 --> 02:10:18,988
promotion to panelist.

3803
02:10:18,988 --> 02:10:20,825
>> can you hear me?

3804
02:10:20,825 --> 02:10:21,224
>> we can hear you.

3805
02:10:21,224 --> 02:10:23,224
Thank you.

3806
02:10:24,828 --> 02:10:25,295
>> hello, I am joining you from

3807
02:10:25,295 --> 02:10:27,295
las cruces.

3808
02:10:27,931 --> 02:10:31,201
I am an employee of sun capital

3809
02:10:31,201 --> 02:10:33,370
hotels as general manager at the

3810
02:10:33,370 --> 02:10:34,938
holiday inn express north.

3811
02:10:34,938 --> 02:10:36,272
I have witnessed the growth of

3812
02:10:36,272 --> 02:10:38,608
the company and excited with all

3813
02:10:38,608 --> 02:10:38,975
the projects that are in the

3814
02:10:38,975 --> 02:10:40,975
pipeline.

3815
02:10:41,311 --> 02:10:42,612
In my journey with sun capital

3816
02:10:42,612 --> 02:10:44,314
hotels they have given me the

3817
02:10:44,314 --> 02:10:44,881
opportunity to focus on my

3818
02:10:44,881 --> 02:10:46,881
leadership growth.

3819
02:10:47,117 --> 02:10:48,719
I have been a mentor for the

3820
02:10:48,719 --> 02:10:50,554
company's future leaders in a

3821
02:10:50,554 --> 02:10:53,890
program that they developed to

3822
02:10:53,890 --> 02:10:55,910
invest and promote within.

3823
02:10:55,910 --> 02:10:56,593
In addition, I've also been

3824
02:10:56,593 --> 02:10:58,728
approached by the city of las

3825
02:10:58,728 --> 02:11:00,630
cruces to be part of the

3826
02:11:00,630 --> 02:11:01,531
lodger's tax committee.

3827
02:11:01,531 --> 02:11:03,466
I am the chair of the leadership

3828
02:11:03,466 --> 02:11:06,466
program with the greater chamber

3829
02:11:06,604 --> 02:11:08,906
to develop skills and educate

3830
02:11:08,906 --> 02:11:10,841
participants on all the local

3831
02:11:10,841 --> 02:11:13,241
dynamics in las cruces.

3832
02:11:14,144 --> 02:11:16,446
With the support of sun capital

3833
02:11:16,446 --> 02:11:18,682
hotels, there are numerous

3834
02:11:18,682 --> 02:11:21,820
volunteer hours company-wide in

3835
02:11:22,619 --> 02:11:24,619
our local community.

3836
02:11:25,622 --> 02:11:25,955
At food banks and support local

3837
02:11:25,955 --> 02:11:27,955
events.

3838
02:11:28,224 --> 02:11:29,794
With every new hotel

3839
02:11:29,794 --> 02:11:32,194
development, our company just

3840
02:11:34,164 --> 02:11:34,698
doesn't grow, it impacts local

3841
02:11:34,698 --> 02:11:36,698
economies.

3842
02:11:36,700 --> 02:11:38,700
Thank you.

3843
02:11:47,844 --> 02:11:50,244
>> johnny followed by steve.

3844
02:11:51,715 --> 02:11:53,715
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

3845
02:11:54,117 --> 02:11:57,540
I'm an old town business owner

3846
02:11:57,540 --> 02:11:59,540
and property owner.

3847
02:11:59,222 --> 02:12:00,857
Of old town shopping plaza.

3848
02:12:00,857 --> 02:12:03,159
Old town needs more visitors

3849
02:12:03,159 --> 02:12:05,829
that are spending more money.

3850
02:12:05,829 --> 02:12:09,165
We do not need an existing

3851
02:12:09,165 --> 02:12:10,333
office space that MAY be vacant.

3852
02:12:10,333 --> 02:12:12,733
Most of the time.

3853
02:12:14,637 --> 02:12:16,906
I believe approving this irb is

3854
02:12:16,906 --> 02:12:19,906
an investment in our community

3855
02:12:20,100 --> 02:12:21,879
and the future that will pay

3856
02:12:21,879 --> 02:12:24,879
dividends in the community and

3857
02:12:25,281 --> 02:12:27,830
benefit old town businesses and

3858
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:27,417
residents for many years in the

3859
02:12:27,417 --> 02:12:29,387
future.

3860
02:12:29,387 --> 02:12:33,587
If you don't invest in old town

3861
02:12:33,656 --> 02:12:33,957
and our community, we'll not

3862
02:12:33,957 --> 02:12:35,392
grow.

3863
02:12:35,392 --> 02:12:37,494
You talked earlier about

3864
02:12:37,494 --> 02:12:39,629
increasing gross receipts to

3865
02:12:39,629 --> 02:12:42,290
support our city budget,

3866
02:12:42,900 --> 02:12:45,300
approving this irb generates

3867
02:12:45,903 --> 02:12:47,304
more revenue for old town and

3868
02:12:47,304 --> 02:12:49,304
more gross receipts.

3869
02:12:49,339 --> 02:12:49,639
It generates more jobs for our

3870
02:12:49,639 --> 02:12:51,639
city.

3871
02:12:54,344 --> 02:12:54,911
I hope you'll vote yes on this

3872
02:12:54,911 --> 02:12:56,911
irb.

3873
02:12:57,180 --> 02:12:59,180
Thank you.

3874
02:12:59,850 --> 02:13:02,185
>> steve chavez, followed by

3875
02:13:02,185 --> 02:13:03,190
adam

3876
02:13:03,190 --> 02:13:04,870
adam.

3877
02:13:04,870 --> 02:13:06,870
>> good evening, MADAM

3878
02:13:07,323 --> 02:13:08,558
PRESIDENT, members of the city

3879
02:13:08,558 --> 02:13:10,600
council.

3880
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:11,361
I'm with s3 development.

3881
02:13:11,361 --> 02:13:12,630
I apologize for thought being

3882
02:13:12,630 --> 02:13:14,831
there in person this evening.

3883
02:13:14,831 --> 02:13:17,231
I'm out traveling today.

3884
02:13:18,135 --> 02:13:20,270
I am in support of the irb's for

3885
02:13:20,270 --> 02:13:21,710
the hotel proposed in the

3886
02:13:21,710 --> 02:13:23,390
sawmill district.

3887
02:13:23,390 --> 02:13:26,639
I feel in today's world of

3888
02:13:26,776 --> 02:13:28,278
trying to find an afford able

3889
02:13:28,278 --> 02:13:29,446
able --

3890
02:13:29,446 --> 02:13:32,149
it's important to work together

3891
02:13:32,149 --> 02:13:33,216
to support this type of

3892
02:13:33,216 --> 02:13:35,850
development.

3893
02:13:35,850 --> 02:13:35,386
Depesh and his team do quality

3894
02:13:35,386 --> 02:13:36,686
work.

3895
02:13:36,686 --> 02:13:38,655
I'll vouch for his group as

3896
02:13:38,655 --> 02:13:39,550
professional operators and

3897
02:13:39,550 --> 02:13:41,550
developers.

3898
02:13:41,491 --> 02:13:42,791
How can we give irb's to one

3899
02:13:42,791 --> 02:13:44,460
large developer in the area and

3900
02:13:44,460 --> 02:13:46,596
not to a developer who will

3901
02:13:46,596 --> 02:13:46,896
provide the affordability we

3902
02:13:46,896 --> 02:13:48,465
need?

3903
02:13:48,465 --> 02:13:50,865
Sometimes competition is good.

3904
02:13:51,167 --> 02:13:51,935
And I support him and what he's

3905
02:13:51,935 --> 02:13:54,335
doing in that district.

3906
02:13:56,272 --> 02:13:58,272
Thank you.

3907
02:14:03,747 --> 02:14:05,747
>> adam.

3908
02:14:07,517 --> 02:14:09,517
>> yes, hi.

3909
02:14:10,920 --> 02:14:11,255
MADAM PRESIDENT, council

3910
02:14:11,255 --> 02:14:13,255
members.

3911
02:14:14,190 --> 02:14:16,360
I'm also a downtowner.

3912
02:14:16,360 --> 02:14:19,129
Echoing a lot of comments we

3913
02:14:19,129 --> 02:14:20,897
heard tonight, I'm sorry I had

3914
02:14:20,897 --> 02:14:22,732
to leave tonight, I have

3915
02:14:22,732 --> 02:14:25,732
something early in the morning.

3916
02:14:27,170 --> 02:14:27,737
Diversity of lodging, increasing

3917
02:14:27,737 --> 02:14:29,737
gross receipts tax.

3918
02:14:30,207 --> 02:14:31,410
All those things happen when we

3919
02:14:31,410 --> 02:14:33,410
have new development.

3920
02:14:33,109 --> 02:14:34,411
Especially with lodging

3921
02:14:34,411 --> 02:14:35,846
development because those are

3922
02:14:35,846 --> 02:14:37,547
people from out of town that

3923
02:14:37,547 --> 02:14:39,716
come and want to spend their

3924
02:14:39,716 --> 02:14:41,218
money in our community.

3925
02:14:41,218 --> 02:14:44,621
I think we all have a reason to

3926
02:14:44,621 --> 02:14:46,220
vote for this financial

3927
02:14:46,220 --> 02:14:46,357
instrument because of those

3928
02:14:46,357 --> 02:14:47,924
things.

3929
02:14:47,924 --> 02:14:49,426
I like to urge you that this is

3930
02:14:49,426 --> 02:14:50,326
something that will be good for

3931
02:14:50,326 --> 02:14:51,762
our community.

3932
02:14:51,762 --> 02:14:53,431
This will be good for the rail

3933
02:14:53,431 --> 02:14:53,730
trail that we allotted money

3934
02:14:53,730 --> 02:14:55,730
for.

3935
02:14:58,101 --> 02:14:59,703
I would really like to see some

3936
02:14:59,703 --> 02:15:02,500
mountain finished this hotel and

3937
02:15:02,500 --> 02:15:03,274
get rid of an office building

3938
02:15:03,274 --> 02:15:05,241
that is out of date and

3939
02:15:05,241 --> 02:15:05,608
shouldn't have place in the

3940
02:15:05,608 --> 02:15:06,911
sawmill.

3941
02:15:06,911 --> 02:15:07,511
Thank you and I appreciate all

3942
02:15:07,511 --> 02:15:09,447
of your service to the

3943
02:15:09,447 --> 02:15:10,780
community.

3944
02:15:10,780 --> 02:15:13,180
>> thank you, MADAM Chair.

3945
02:15:16,753 --> 02:15:19,560
That takes care of zoom.

3946
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:19,456
Pauline, would you like to

3947
02:15:19,456 --> 02:15:21,456
speak?

3948
02:15:33,370 --> 02:15:36,370
>>coun. Pe}a: pauline chavez.

3949
02:15:39,944 --> 02:15:40,810
here she comes.

3950
02:15:40,810 --> 02:15:42,810
>> good evening, MADAM

3951
02:15:43,546 --> 02:15:45,546
PRESIDENT, councilors.

3952
02:15:46,484 --> 02:15:46,850
I spoke at the last council

3953
02:15:46,850 --> 02:15:48,850
meeting.

3954
02:15:49,352 --> 02:15:50,320
I am a member of the community

3955
02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:52,320
land trust.

3956
02:15:53,623 --> 02:15:54,570
I was born and raised in the

3957
02:15:54,570 --> 02:15:56,570
neighborhood.

3958
02:15:59,290 --> 02:16:00,397
At the last meeting, after the

3959
02:16:00,397 --> 02:16:02,899
hearing the testimony, you asked

3960
02:16:02,899 --> 02:16:03,566
the developers to reach out to

3961
02:16:03,566 --> 02:16:05,566
the community.

3962
02:16:05,836 --> 02:16:08,838
I have not heard from the

3963
02:16:08,838 --> 02:16:09,806
community, neekt

3964
02:16:09,806 --> 02:16:10,174
ither have my

3965
02:16:10,174 --> 02:16:11,708
neighbors.

3966
02:16:11,708 --> 02:16:13,610
It's my understanding that they

3967
02:16:13,610 --> 02:16:16,100
contacted our executive director

3968
02:16:16,379 --> 02:16:19,249
orlando and that meeting was

3969
02:16:19,249 --> 02:16:22,118
with him and one other person.

3970
02:16:22,118 --> 02:16:24,487
I don't know who their

3971
02:16:24,487 --> 02:16:26,424
communication person is, but

3972
02:16:26,424 --> 02:16:27,157
they did not do an outreach to

3973
02:16:27,157 --> 02:16:29,157
our neighborhood.

3974
02:16:30,327 --> 02:16:32,727
It's my understanding that

3975
02:16:32,862 --> 02:16:34,297
councilor baca had a couple

3976
02:16:34,297 --> 02:16:36,297
amendments that require

3977
02:16:37,567 --> 02:16:38,668
conditions for approval of the

3978
02:16:38,668 --> 02:16:40,668
irb.

3979
02:16:41,938 --> 02:16:43,674
They're very important concerns.

3980
02:16:43,674 --> 02:16:44,374
They deal with traffic and

3981
02:16:44,374 --> 02:16:46,374
height.

3982
02:16:46,710 --> 02:16:50,310
While we still feel this project

3983
02:16:50,980 --> 02:16:52,949
does not deserve taxpayer's

3984
02:16:52,949 --> 02:16:55,886
subsidies, we know there are

3985
02:16:55,886 --> 02:16:56,286
some councilors who believe it

3986
02:16:56,286 --> 02:16:58,286
does.

3987
02:16:59,824 --> 02:17:02,224
I hope that --

3988
02:17:02,226 --> 02:17:03,460
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

3989
02:17:03,460 --> 02:17:05,460
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, that

3990
02:17:05,762 --> 02:17:08,198
concludes list of sign-ups for

3991
02:17:08,198 --> 02:17:10,198
this matter.

3992
02:17:10,266 --> 02:17:10,567
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor baca,

3993
02:17:10,567 --> 02:17:12,567
o-38.

3994
02:17:12,937 --> 02:17:13,304
>>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

3995
02:17:13,304 --> 02:17:14,504
PRESIDENT.

3996
02:17:14,504 --> 02:17:16,904
There's obviously clear support

3997
02:17:17,942 --> 02:17:19,209
for this project within the

3998
02:17:19,209 --> 02:17:21,209
community, simultaneously,

3999
02:17:23,130 --> 02:17:23,546
there's not support for this

4000
02:17:23,546 --> 02:17:25,546
project.

4001
02:17:26,616 --> 02:17:28,752
I think if this the journal

4002
02:17:28,752 --> 02:17:30,153
area, we did approval and didn't

4003
02:17:30,153 --> 02:17:32,153
talk about that.

4004
02:17:32,155 --> 02:17:32,989
Downtown and old town and

4005
02:17:32,989 --> 02:17:34,724
sawmill are different.

4006
02:17:34,724 --> 02:17:36,292
They do require a little bit

4007
02:17:36,292 --> 02:17:37,861
more, a little bit more time for

4008
02:17:37,861 --> 02:17:39,829
everybody to sit down and go

4009
02:17:39,829 --> 02:17:41,829
through it.

4010
02:17:42,499 --> 02:17:43,967
I think we heard that the design

4011
02:17:43,967 --> 02:17:45,535
team met with the land trust but

4012
02:17:45,535 --> 02:17:47,405
not the developer.

4013
02:17:47,405 --> 02:17:48,638
I think the land trust really

4014
02:17:48,638 --> 02:17:49,740
wanted to meet with the

4015
02:17:49,740 --> 02:17:50,775
developer directly.

4016
02:17:50,775 --> 02:17:51,941
I think that's important.

4017
02:17:51,941 --> 02:17:54,210
Also, there was mention of a

4018
02:17:54,210 --> 02:17:54,577
couple amendments I was going to

4019
02:17:54,577 --> 02:17:56,577
introduce.

4020
02:17:58,480 --> 02:17:59,748
I'm not going to introduce those

4021
02:17:59,748 --> 02:18:00,750
because our counsel advised me

4022
02:18:00,750 --> 02:18:02,252
against that.

4023
02:18:02,252 --> 02:18:02,552
That changes things a little

4024
02:18:02,552 --> 02:18:03,319
bit.

4025
02:18:03,319 --> 02:18:05,719
I think that's important.

4026
02:18:06,256 --> 02:18:07,857
I did meet with both groups to

4027
02:18:07,857 --> 02:18:08,224
see where they where and what

4028
02:18:08,224 --> 02:18:10,224
happened.

4029
02:18:11,261 --> 02:18:11,560
There's still a lot of confusion

4030
02:18:11,560 --> 02:18:13,560
there.

4031
02:18:14,998 --> 02:18:18,500
With that, I would like to move

4032
02:18:18,500 --> 02:18:21,272
deferral for times like the

4033
02:18:21,272 --> 02:18:23,205
groups and developers to meet.

4034
02:18:23,205 --> 02:18:26,277
I don't know if our counsel will

4035
02:18:26,277 --> 02:18:28,346
allow me to do that?

4036
02:18:28,346 --> 02:18:29,547
I'd like to move deferral to the

4037
02:18:29,547 --> 02:18:31,547
17th.

4038
02:18:33,983 --> 02:18:36,719
Am I able to sit with them?

4039
02:18:36,719 --> 02:18:37,722
>> counsel PRESIDENT, councilor

4040
02:18:37,722 --> 02:18:38,288
baca, yes.

4041
02:18:38,288 --> 02:18:40,230
>>coun. Baca: okay.

4042
02:18:40,230 --> 02:18:40,957
I think we can hopefully hash

4043
02:18:40,957 --> 02:18:42,957
out something there.

4044
02:18:43,293 --> 02:18:45,795
At least there won't be any

4045
02:18:45,795 --> 02:18:48,631
discussion of he said, she said,

4046
02:18:48,631 --> 02:18:50,499
or we haven't heard.

4047
02:18:50,499 --> 02:18:52,635
I know everybody does a good

4048
02:18:52,635 --> 02:18:52,902
faith effort to try and reach

4049
02:18:52,902 --> 02:18:54,205
out.

4050
02:18:54,205 --> 02:18:54,538
That doesn't mean everybody

4051
02:18:54,538 --> 02:18:55,872
hears.

4052
02:18:55,872 --> 02:18:56,539
We can always do better with

4053
02:18:56,539 --> 02:18:57,507
that.

4054
02:18:57,507 --> 02:19:00,409
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

4055
02:19:00,409 --> 02:19:03,781
and a second by vice PRESIDENT

4056
02:19:03,781 --> 02:19:04,814
Champine for a deferral to

4057
02:19:04,814 --> 02:19:06,814
AUGUST 17th.

4058
02:19:09,720 --> 02:19:11,720
[Roll call].

4059
02:19:12,555 --> 02:19:14,555
>>coun. Baca: yes.

4060
02:19:14,692 --> 02:19:16,692
>>coun. Bassan: no.

4061
02:19:16,693 --> 02:19:18,693
>>coun. Champine: yes.

4062
02:19:19,662 --> 02:19:21,662
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

4063
02:19:22,931 --> 02:19:24,931
>>coun. Grout: no.

4064
02:19:25,236 --> 02:19:27,236
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

4065
02:19:27,505 --> 02:19:29,304
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

4066
02:19:29,304 --> 02:19:29,839
>>coun. Telles: yes.

4067
02:19:29,839 --> 02:19:32,239
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

4068
02:19:32,476 --> 02:19:33,109
>> passes on a 7-2 vote.

4069
02:19:33,109 --> 02:19:35,780
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

4070
02:19:35,780 --> 02:19:35,779
We're now on to item 11, which

4071
02:19:35,779 --> 02:19:37,681
is appeals.

4072
02:19:37,681 --> 02:19:39,583
There are none.

4073
02:19:39,583 --> 02:19:40,751
Item 12, general public comment.

4074
02:19:40,751 --> 02:19:43,487
Members of the public can

4075
02:19:43,487 --> 02:19:44,587
provide live public comment to

4076
02:19:44,587 --> 02:19:45,822
the council in person or

4077
02:19:45,822 --> 02:19:46,923
virtually if they signed up for

4078
02:19:46,923 --> 02:19:48,292
public comment per the

4079
02:19:48,292 --> 02:19:49,826
instructions published on the

4080
02:19:49,826 --> 02:19:51,227
agenda and our website friday.

4081
02:19:51,227 --> 02:19:54,227
Here are the public comment

4082
02:19:57,200 --> 02:19:57,534
ground rules, if you can exit

4083
02:19:57,534 --> 02:19:59,534
quietly.

4084
02:20:00,804 --> 02:20:03,204
Thank you so much.

4085
02:20:03,907 --> 02:20:05,410
Excuse me.

4086
02:20:05,410 --> 02:20:06,410
Each participant has one minute

4087
02:20:06,410 --> 02:20:08,410
to present.

4088
02:20:08,211 --> 02:20:09,746
Comments are also to be

4089
02:20:09,746 --> 02:20:11,514
addressed to the councilors only

4090
02:20:11,514 --> 02:20:13,490
through the council PRESIDENT.

4091
02:20:13,490 --> 02:20:14,584
Any disruptive conduct will

4092
02:20:14,584 --> 02:20:14,918
result in removal from the

4093
02:20:14,918 --> 02:20:16,918
meeting.

4094
02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:18,288
There's a one-minute time limit

4095
02:20:18,288 --> 02:20:19,489
and the bill will ring to

4096
02:20:19,489 --> 02:20:21,224
indicate your time is up.

4097
02:20:21,224 --> 02:20:22,225
MR. Cornelius, please call the

4098
02:20:22,225 --> 02:20:24,728
name of the first speaker.

4099
02:20:24,728 --> 02:20:26,262
>> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

4100
02:20:26,262 --> 02:20:29,262
Our first speaker is jackson

4101
02:20:33,360 --> 02:20:34,571
followed by matthew.

4102
02:20:34,571 --> 02:20:35,806
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, MR. Vice

4103
02:20:35,806 --> 02:20:38,206
PRESIDENT Champine, members of

4104
02:20:39,743 --> 02:20:40,744
the council, I am a senior at

4105
02:20:40,744 --> 02:20:42,744
eldorado high school.

4106
02:20:47,170 --> 02:20:48,586
I'm here to share how -- tobacco

4107
02:20:48,586 --> 02:20:49,686
products are still used at

4108
02:20:49,686 --> 02:20:51,388
school companies every day.

4109
02:20:51,388 --> 02:20:52,722
Especially in restrooms.

4110
02:20:52,722 --> 02:20:54,291
More specifically they're used

4111
02:20:54,291 --> 02:20:55,826
in the handicap stalls.

4112
02:20:55,826 --> 02:20:57,193
At times I had to leave my

4113
02:20:57,193 --> 02:21:00,193
campus and push my wheelchair

4114
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:06,503
over a mile to use the restroom.

4115
02:21:06,503 --> 02:21:08,503
If you wish

4116
02:21:09,239 --> 02:21:11,175
one reason that many students

4117
02:21:11,175 --> 02:21:11,608
are vaping is because of

4118
02:21:11,608 --> 02:21:13,376
flavors.

4119
02:21:13,376 --> 02:21:15,745
Accord to the 2025 national

4120
02:21:15,745 --> 02:21:17,247
youth tobacco survey, 1 hoit 45

4121
02:21:17,247 --> 02:21:19,820
mill wherein youth in the united

4122
02:21:19,820 --> 02:21:21,820
states currently vape.

4123
02:21:21,917 --> 02:21:24,287
And 91% use flavored product.

4124
02:21:24,287 --> 02:21:25,588
We need to continue to prevent

4125
02:21:25,588 --> 02:21:27,124
nicotine addiction.

4126
02:21:27,124 --> 02:21:28,692
I hope you support efforts that

4127
02:21:28,692 --> 02:21:29,659
keep youth safe and create

4128
02:21:29,659 --> 02:21:30,930
healthier communities for

4129
02:21:30,930 --> 02:21:32,930
everyone.

4130
02:21:32,228 --> 02:21:34,197
I'm happy to talk to anyone

4131
02:21:34,197 --> 02:21:34,531
about this at the end of the

4132
02:21:34,531 --> 02:21:36,330
meeting.

4133
02:21:36,330 --> 02:21:36,467
Thank you for your time and

4134
02:21:36,467 --> 02:21:38,467
consideration.

4135
02:21:43,874 --> 02:21:46,274
>> matthew followed by lex.

4136
02:21:46,309 --> 02:21:47,844
>> good evening, MADAM

4137
02:21:47,844 --> 02:21:49,714
PRESIDENT, MR. Vice PRESIDENT

4138
02:21:49,714 --> 02:21:50,460
Champine, members of the

4139
02:21:50,460 --> 02:21:52,460
council.

4140
02:21:53,160 --> 02:21:56,616
I am a sophomore at eldorado.

4141
02:21:56,787 --> 02:21:57,120
I've been with the involvement

4142
02:21:57,120 --> 02:21:59,120
program.

4143
02:21:59,122 --> 02:22:00,223
I have seen how vaping affects

4144
02:22:00,223 --> 02:22:02,223
students and communities.

4145
02:22:03,527 --> 02:22:07,127
One way we can help prevent

4146
02:22:08,198 --> 02:22:09,899
youth nicotine addiction is

4147
02:22:09,899 --> 02:22:11,899
restrictioning flavored vapes.

4148
02:22:12,636 --> 02:22:14,205
While current laws mean the

4149
02:22:14,205 --> 02:22:15,472
policies must be passed at the

4150
02:22:15,472 --> 02:22:17,907
state or federal level, support

4151
02:22:17,907 --> 02:22:19,142
from local leaders like you can

4152
02:22:19,142 --> 02:22:19,477
build momentum for municipal

4153
02:22:19,477 --> 02:22:21,440
change.

4154
02:22:21,440 --> 02:22:23,790
We hope you will consider

4155
02:22:23,790 --> 02:22:24,681
supporting everts to protect new

4156
02:22:24,681 --> 02:22:25,810
mexico's youth from nicotine

4157
02:22:25,810 --> 02:22:25,850
addiction.

4158
02:22:25,850 --> 02:22:28,319
Thank you for your time and

4159
02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:30,319
consideration.

4160
02:22:32,455 --> 02:22:34,855
>> lex followed by brick.

4161
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:53,750
>> overhead, please.

4162
02:23:02,485 --> 02:23:04,485
?

4163
02:23:05,890 --> 02:23:07,489
>> MR. Greigo contacted police

4164
02:23:07,524 --> 02:23:10,393
and advised he was pepper

4165
02:23:10,393 --> 02:23:13,993
sprayed by the female and had

4166
02:23:16,633 --> 02:23:18,633
his phone stolen.

4167
02:23:19,134 --> 02:23:20,604
>> I'm talking to them.

4168
02:23:20,604 --> 02:23:22,500
Did I say anything to them?

4169
02:23:22,500 --> 02:23:23,506
>> I'm not recording them.

4170
02:23:23,506 --> 02:23:25,642
I was recording that kid.

4171
02:23:25,642 --> 02:23:29,842
I am recording you by the say,

4172
02:23:36,850 --> 02:23:38,850
sir.

4173
02:23:39,789 --> 02:23:41,591
[Distorted audio].

4174
02:23:41,591 --> 02:23:42,425
>> some guy hit his phone out of

4175
02:23:42,425 --> 02:23:44,425
his hand.

4176
02:23:46,496 --> 02:23:47,565
I went to pick it up and the --

4177
02:23:47,565 --> 02:23:49,565
tackled me.

4178
02:23:57,730 --> 02:23:58,875
He didn't do nothing.

4179
02:23:58,875 --> 02:24:01,275
He's your favorite content

4180
02:24:03,546 --> 02:24:05,546
creator or whatever.

4181
02:24:06,490 --> 02:24:06,383
He said -- you ought to go see

4182
02:24:06,383 --> 02:24:08,510
it.

4183
02:24:08,510 --> 02:24:10,920
Also, we don't have his phone.

4184
02:24:10,920 --> 02:24:12,789
And picked it up after they

4185
02:24:12,789 --> 02:24:14,789
tackled me.

4186
02:24:17,794 --> 02:24:20,794
Nobody has your fuckin phone,

4187
02:24:25,350 --> 02:24:27,350
punk ass bitch.

4188
02:24:34,310 --> 02:24:36,146
>> brick followed by francesco.

4189
02:24:36,146 --> 02:24:37,614
>> just to be clear, I want to

4190
02:24:37,614 --> 02:24:37,914
make sure the narrative is

4191
02:24:37,914 --> 02:24:39,683
clear.

4192
02:24:39,683 --> 02:24:41,117
Because the narrative that was

4193
02:24:41,117 --> 02:24:42,820
attempted to be painted by the

4194
02:24:42,820 --> 02:24:46,420
video the police released in my

4195
02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:47,425
opinion is not the actual thing

4196
02:24:47,425 --> 02:24:49,425
that happened.

4197
02:24:50,326 --> 02:24:51,928
But when it comes to a person's

4198
02:24:51,928 --> 02:24:53,290
life, I believe this young man

4199
02:24:53,290 --> 02:24:53,363
personally was defending

4200
02:24:53,363 --> 02:24:55,363
himself.

4201
02:24:55,598 --> 02:24:57,167
He was attacked multiple times

4202
02:24:57,167 --> 02:24:59,567
while he was downtown.

4203
02:25:03,440 --> 02:25:05,840
He was a tiktoker.

4204
02:25:08,178 --> 02:25:12,378
I want to make sure to include

4205
02:25:13,148 --> 02:25:17,530
in this you can see his types of

4206
02:25:17,530 --> 02:25:19,560
interactions after harris shot

4207
02:25:19,560 --> 02:25:21,560
him.

4208
02:25:26,931 --> 02:25:29,931
This is the real --

4209
02:25:39,342 --> 02:25:41,342
[Inaudible].

4210
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:44,347
[Beeping and inaudible audio].

4211
02:25:44,347 --> 02:25:46,516
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

4212
02:25:46,516 --> 02:25:48,151
Your time is up.

4213
02:25:48,151 --> 02:25:50,221
>> just to be clear, he defended

4214
02:25:50,221 --> 02:25:52,221
himself.

4215
02:26:09,472 --> 02:26:11,574
>> francesco followed by tad.

4216
02:26:11,574 --> 02:26:13,109
>> I propose an additional

4217
02:26:13,109 --> 02:26:15,646
options for some of our unhoused

4218
02:26:15,646 --> 02:26:16,346
neighbors who have lost their

4219
02:26:16,346 --> 02:26:17,981
way.

4220
02:26:17,981 --> 02:26:19,949
Picture public laneeraries and

4221
02:26:19,949 --> 02:26:21,384
transit system being used as

4222
02:26:21,384 --> 02:26:23,784
homeless shelters but without

4223
02:26:25,456 --> 02:26:25,889
all the bells and whys

4224
02:26:25,889 --> 02:26:27,889
istles.

4225
02:26:31,461 --> 02:26:33,797
Convert an empty storefront in

4226
02:26:33,797 --> 02:26:35,298
each quadrant.

4227
02:26:35,298 --> 02:26:37,300
And new public restroom for

4228
02:26:37,300 --> 02:26:39,436
people that need them the most.

4229
02:26:39,436 --> 02:26:41,171
Maybe if acs likes the idea,

4230
02:26:41,171 --> 02:26:43,600
make each one into a substation.

4231
02:26:43,600 --> 02:26:44,240
The city has arrested more

4232
02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:47,143
homeless in the last year than

4233
02:26:47,143 --> 02:26:50,143
the last eight years combined,

4234
02:26:50,780 --> 02:26:51,381
which is the most inhumane and

4235
02:26:51,381 --> 02:26:53,830
expensive option.

4236
02:26:53,830 --> 02:26:55,830
Making unhoused approximately

4237
02:26:56,921 --> 02:26:57,321
half of our current prison

4238
02:26:57,321 --> 02:26:59,321
population.

4239
02:27:00,390 --> 02:27:02,259
Compass is short of compassion.

4240
02:27:02,259 --> 02:27:04,259
Thank you.

4241
02:27:07,997 --> 02:27:10,397
>> tad followed by joseph.

4242
02:27:22,579 --> 02:27:22,946
>> could you give me overhead?

4243
02:27:22,946 --> 02:27:24,946
Thank you.

4244
02:27:30,487 --> 02:27:32,355
Excuse me.

4245
02:27:32,355 --> 02:27:36,555
I believe I won't have time to

4246
02:27:36,659 --> 02:27:39,659
get through this issue tonight.

4247
02:27:53,677 --> 02:27:54,678
So, anyway, apd cops isn't

4248
02:27:54,678 --> 02:27:56,678
writing tickets.

4249
02:27:57,446 --> 02:27:58,648
i'm speaking about public

4250
02:27:58,648 --> 02:28:00,451
safety.

4251
02:28:00,451 --> 02:28:02,851
Now, what they doing?

4252
02:28:08,758 --> 02:28:11,758
They operating from the inside

4253
02:28:13,263 --> 02:28:15,165
through the cameras.

4254
02:28:15,165 --> 02:28:17,565
Private contractors and what

4255
02:28:21,171 --> 02:28:24,171
kind of job they do?

4256
02:28:24,308 --> 02:28:26,910
They finally went after me.

4257
02:28:26,910 --> 02:28:27,644
And we will go through the

4258
02:28:27,644 --> 02:28:29,644
court.

4259
02:28:31,648 --> 02:28:33,817
I'll get these bastards because

4260
02:28:33,817 --> 02:28:37,417
that's the way this was written,

4261
02:28:38,355 --> 02:28:40,457
this citation to me, that also

4262
02:28:40,457 --> 02:28:42,857
against constitutional and also

4263
02:28:43,793 --> 02:28:45,793
against apd policy.

4264
02:28:46,930 --> 02:28:48,930
Thank you.

4265
02:29:04,681 --> 02:29:07,810
>> joseph followed by denise.

4266
02:29:12,890 --> 02:29:14,489
Denise followed by justin.

4267
02:29:19,496 --> 02:29:21,831
Justin followed by janet.

4268
02:29:21,831 --> 02:29:23,700
>> I'll be using the overhead.

4269
02:29:23,700 --> 02:29:27,237
Also, I have handouts for each

4270
02:29:27,237 --> 02:29:29,237
councilor.

4271
02:29:30,607 --> 02:29:33,700
Including one for councilor

4272
02:29:38,616 --> 02:29:39,490
lewis.

4273
02:29:39,490 --> 02:29:40,383
Good evening.

4274
02:29:40,383 --> 02:29:41,651
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

4275
02:29:41,651 --> 02:29:43,988
members of the council.

4276
02:29:43,988 --> 02:29:45,656
I'm here with report cards.

4277
02:29:45,656 --> 02:29:48,560
This a group project.

4278
02:29:48,591 --> 02:29:49,627
We tracked over 150 votes from

4279
02:29:49,627 --> 02:29:51,627
JANUARY through JUNE.

4280
02:29:53,496 --> 02:29:55,990
And picked 32 key voting items.

4281
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:59,299
We asked people to read them and

4282
02:29:59,502 --> 02:29:59,902
say which are the most

4283
02:29:59,902 --> 02:30:01,237
important.

4284
02:30:01,237 --> 02:30:02,772
Then weighing them by

4285
02:30:02,772 --> 02:30:04,774
importance, we looked at all the

4286
02:30:04,774 --> 02:30:05,750
council votes to give you a

4287
02:30:05,750 --> 02:30:07,750
score.

4288
02:30:07,177 --> 02:30:08,212
No ai was used in this process.

4289
02:30:08,212 --> 02:30:10,347
This is just the voice of the

4290
02:30:10,347 --> 02:30:12,183
people and what we want to see

4291
02:30:12,183 --> 02:30:14,183
you all do.

4292
02:30:14,184 --> 02:30:17,153
There's six main categories of

4293
02:30:17,153 --> 02:30:17,520
priorities on the front side of

4294
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:19,520
this.

4295
02:30:19,857 --> 02:30:22,793
From immigrant rights which is

4296
02:30:22,793 --> 02:30:24,127
8.2 down to taxes which is 2.2

4297
02:30:24,127 --> 02:30:25,195
and if you're curious where

4298
02:30:25,195 --> 02:30:26,697
these came from.

4299
02:30:26,697 --> 02:30:27,497
these are some of the 32 votes

4300
02:30:27,497 --> 02:30:28,465
we considered.

4301
02:30:28,465 --> 02:30:30,465
Not all.

4302
02:30:34,270 --> 02:30:37,720
The other side, flip the page,

4303
02:30:37,720 --> 02:30:37,941
is other grades.

4304
02:30:37,941 --> 02:30:39,342
This is for you to know that

4305
02:30:39,342 --> 02:30:42,612
people are watching and I just

4306
02:30:42,612 --> 02:30:44,414
want to say that, yeah, take

4307
02:30:44,414 --> 02:30:45,782
this into consideration.

4308
02:30:45,782 --> 02:30:48,782
And two councilors are getting

4309
02:30:49,886 --> 02:30:50,420
extra credit for putting in the

4310
02:30:50,420 --> 02:30:52,420
budgeting process.

4311
02:30:53,223 --> 02:30:57,423
The rest of you can get credit

4312
02:30:59,796 --> 02:31:01,796
for that.

4313
02:31:18,481 --> 02:31:20,881
>> janet followed by lisa.

4314
02:31:24,721 --> 02:31:26,856
Lisa followed by thomas.

4315
02:31:26,856 --> 02:31:27,258
>> welcome back, city

4316
02:31:27,258 --> 02:31:28,925
councilors.

4317
02:31:28,925 --> 02:31:30,361
And to the public, I'm lisa.

4318
02:31:30,361 --> 02:31:31,950
I live in albuquerque, district

4319
02:31:31,950 --> 02:31:32,530
three.

4320
02:31:32,530 --> 02:31:32,997
Founder of -- we've already been

4321
02:31:32,997 --> 02:31:34,997
through that.

4322
02:31:35,650 --> 02:31:36,833
We have a partnership with over

4323
02:31:36,833 --> 02:31:37,268
52 state groups and

4324
02:31:37,268 --> 02:31:39,268
organizations.

4325
02:31:40,236 --> 02:31:42,730
I'm here making public comment

4326
02:31:42,730 --> 02:31:45,730
as an individual with the

4327
02:31:45,842 --> 02:31:48,144
understanding I share similar

4328
02:31:48,144 --> 02:31:48,511
concerns with many in the

4329
02:31:48,511 --> 02:31:49,480
community.

4330
02:31:49,480 --> 02:31:51,181
I love that some of you care

4331
02:31:51,181 --> 02:31:52,850
about us, that doesn't mean we

4332
02:31:52,850 --> 02:31:55,250
always have to agree.

4333
02:31:56,286 --> 02:31:57,520
But I have to tell you I was so

4334
02:31:57,520 --> 02:31:59,489
invigorated and excited that we

4335
02:31:59,489 --> 02:32:01,558
have people advocating for us

4336
02:32:01,558 --> 02:32:03,928
with passion because it really

4337
02:32:03,928 --> 02:32:04,260
has felt like we have not had a

4338
02:32:04,260 --> 02:32:06,260
voice.

4339
02:32:06,396 --> 02:32:07,797
People who had money or

4340
02:32:07,797 --> 02:32:08,131
positions -- I'm just being

4341
02:32:08,131 --> 02:32:09,934
honest.

4342
02:32:09,934 --> 02:32:11,969
It felt like you guys don't care

4343
02:32:11,969 --> 02:32:13,937
and only a few of you care.

4344
02:32:13,937 --> 02:32:14,604
For a month, we have gone back

4345
02:32:14,604 --> 02:32:16,373
to community.

4346
02:32:16,373 --> 02:32:17,474
That's why you're seeing, we're

4347
02:32:17,474 --> 02:32:19,309
going to come to you all with

4348
02:32:19,309 --> 02:32:20,430
what we would like albuquerque

4349
02:32:20,430 --> 02:32:21,478
to look like.

4350
02:32:21,478 --> 02:32:23,446
We're asking you all to please

4351
02:32:23,446 --> 02:32:24,447
partner with us so we can have

4352
02:32:24,447 --> 02:32:26,416
an albuquerque that all of us

4353
02:32:26,416 --> 02:32:27,951
love and are proud of.

4354
02:32:27,951 --> 02:32:31,551
Right now, we don't feel like

4355
02:32:33,560 --> 02:32:35,560
you care.

4356
02:32:39,363 --> 02:32:41,763
>> thomas followed by grace.

4357
02:32:42,199 --> 02:32:43,900
>> so, last time I came and

4358
02:32:43,900 --> 02:32:45,769
spoke at city council, police

4359
02:32:45,769 --> 02:32:47,771
force was used to remove me from

4360
02:32:47,771 --> 02:32:50,807
the podium because I broke a

4361
02:32:50,807 --> 02:32:51,674
rule that I believe to be

4362
02:32:51,674 --> 02:32:54,740
constitutionally wrong, which is

4363
02:32:54,177 --> 02:32:56,279
that I cannot ask direct

4364
02:32:56,279 --> 02:32:57,447
questions of city councilors.

4365
02:32:57,447 --> 02:33:00,116
After police force was used

4366
02:33:00,116 --> 02:33:00,817
against me, I went to my

4367
02:33:00,817 --> 02:33:01,851
representative, councilor

4368
02:33:01,851 --> 02:33:03,154
rogers, and I asked would you

4369
02:33:03,154 --> 02:33:04,721
still be willing to hear

4370
02:33:04,721 --> 02:33:06,690
questions from me as you have in

4371
02:33:06,690 --> 02:33:08,424
the past here in city council.

4372
02:33:08,424 --> 02:33:10,600
Rogers said yes.

4373
02:33:10,600 --> 02:33:12,929
Here I am to do what I did last

4374
02:33:12,929 --> 02:33:13,264
time, which got me forcibly

4375
02:33:13,264 --> 02:33:14,497
removed.

4376
02:33:14,497 --> 02:33:18,970
Can I ask you a question,

4377
02:33:19,536 --> 02:33:20,336
councilor rogers?

4378
02:33:20,336 --> 02:33:22,272
>>coun. Pe}a: pass your comments

4379
02:33:22,272 --> 02:33:23,306
through the chair.

4380
02:33:23,306 --> 02:33:26,306
If councilor rogers would like

4381
02:33:27,110 --> 02:33:28,845
to have a direct question to

4382
02:33:28,845 --> 02:33:30,313
her, she can make a motion to

4383
02:33:30,313 --> 02:33:31,849
override the rules.

4384
02:33:31,849 --> 02:33:33,170
>> I'd like to ask the question

4385
02:33:33,170 --> 02:33:34,684
to councilor rogers who is here

4386
02:33:34,684 --> 02:33:36,387
in the room with us.

4387
02:33:36,387 --> 02:33:36,754
Yeah, I'd like to ask her

4388
02:33:36,754 --> 02:33:37,555
directly.

4389
02:33:37,555 --> 02:33:39,689
>>coun. Pe}a: you have to ask

4390
02:33:39,689 --> 02:33:39,989
your questions through the

4391
02:33:39,989 --> 02:33:41,191
chair.

4392
02:33:41,191 --> 02:33:42,726
>> I would like to ask my

4393
02:33:42,726 --> 02:33:44,661
question to my representative

4394
02:33:44,661 --> 02:33:45,895
who is expressed -- are you

4395
02:33:45,895 --> 02:33:46,464
willing to hear, councilor

4396
02:33:46,464 --> 02:33:47,970
rogers?

4397
02:33:47,970 --> 02:33:48,765
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

4398
02:33:48,765 --> 02:33:50,633
Your time is up.

4399
02:33:50,633 --> 02:33:52,736
>>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,

4400
02:33:52,736 --> 02:33:54,971
as long as he follows the rule

4401
02:33:54,971 --> 02:33:56,973
and asks the question of the

4402
02:33:56,973 --> 02:33:59,900
chair, I am willing to hear it.

4403
02:33:59,900 --> 02:33:59,576
We talked about that in our

4404
02:33:59,576 --> 02:34:01,576
meeting.

4405
02:34:01,578 --> 02:34:02,979
I still have to follow the rule

4406
02:34:02,979 --> 02:34:05,181
of the council and ask the

4407
02:34:05,181 --> 02:34:06,684
questions through the chair.

4408
02:34:06,684 --> 02:34:08,551
>>coun. Pe}a: if you make a

4409
02:34:08,551 --> 02:34:09,120
motion, procedurarily, that's

4410
02:34:09,120 --> 02:34:11,120
correct.

4411
02:34:11,355 --> 02:34:13,355
Is that correct?

4412
02:34:14,125 --> 02:34:15,658
>> MADAM Chair, if he speaks

4413
02:34:15,658 --> 02:34:17,270
through you and the councilor

4414
02:34:17,270 --> 02:34:17,794
wishes to answer the question,

4415
02:34:17,794 --> 02:34:19,896
that would be fine.

4416
02:34:19,896 --> 02:34:20,464
People have done that in the

4417
02:34:20,464 --> 02:34:21,498
past.

4418
02:34:21,498 --> 02:34:22,766
But they have to speak through

4419
02:34:22,766 --> 02:34:24,134
the chair.

4420
02:34:24,134 --> 02:34:25,602
>> I think it should be clear my

4421
02:34:25,602 --> 02:34:27,537
question is not for the chair.

4422
02:34:27,537 --> 02:34:30,600
My question is for my

4423
02:34:30,600 --> 02:34:30,808
representative whom I voted for.

4424
02:34:30,808 --> 02:34:31,608
>>coun. Pe}a: we understand what

4425
02:34:31,608 --> 02:34:33,576
you're trying to do.

4426
02:34:33,576 --> 02:34:34,578
There are procedural things we

4427
02:34:34,578 --> 02:34:36,846
have as a council.

4428
02:34:36,846 --> 02:34:38,982
I'm telling you if she wishes to

4429
02:34:38,982 --> 02:34:40,417
answer your question, she could.

4430
02:34:40,417 --> 02:34:42,986
The rule is she would have to

4431
02:34:42,986 --> 02:34:45,555
make a motion, but I guess we

4432
02:34:45,555 --> 02:34:46,656
have set precedence we have not

4433
02:34:46,656 --> 02:34:48,656
done that.

4434
02:34:49,727 --> 02:34:51,940
If she says you can ask her

4435
02:34:51,940 --> 02:34:53,494
direction questions and she

4436
02:34:54,698 --> 02:34:57,698
indicated you can, you can.

4437
02:34:58,768 --> 02:35:01,371
>> if I can ask a quick question

4438
02:35:01,371 --> 02:35:02,172
to you, councilor rogers?

4439
02:35:02,172 --> 02:35:03,206
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

4440
02:35:03,206 --> 02:35:05,809
I believe that the speaker's

4441
02:35:05,809 --> 02:35:06,943
time is up.

4442
02:35:06,943 --> 02:35:08,579
>> okay.

4443
02:35:08,579 --> 02:35:10,130
Most of my time was spent

4444
02:35:10,130 --> 02:35:11,514
listening to them debate.

4445
02:35:11,514 --> 02:35:12,116
My comment was not her speaking

4446
02:35:12,116 --> 02:35:13,249
to me.

4447
02:35:13,249 --> 02:35:15,486
My comment is a question.

4448
02:35:15,486 --> 02:35:15,819
MAY I ask you a question,

4449
02:35:15,819 --> 02:35:17,653
rogers?

4450
02:35:17,653 --> 02:35:18,756
>>coun. Pe}a: your time is up.

4451
02:35:18,756 --> 02:35:20,756
I'm sorry.

4452
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:22,360
>> councilor rogers, would you

4453
02:35:22,360 --> 02:35:24,661
mind making a motion to suspend

4454
02:35:24,661 --> 02:35:25,663
the rules to make a motion.

4455
02:35:25,663 --> 02:35:26,863
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, I'd

4456
02:35:26,863 --> 02:35:28,298
like you to ask the question

4457
02:35:28,298 --> 02:35:29,899
through the chair and I'm happy

4458
02:35:29,899 --> 02:35:30,234
to answer it for the council

4459
02:35:30,234 --> 02:35:32,234
rules.

4460
02:35:32,335 --> 02:35:34,471
As a member of this body, I

4461
02:35:34,471 --> 02:35:35,673
honor our rules which we talked

4462
02:35:35,673 --> 02:35:37,608
about when we met.

4463
02:35:37,608 --> 02:35:38,675
You can absolutely ask he any

4464
02:35:38,675 --> 02:35:40,210
questions but it must be through

4465
02:35:40,210 --> 02:35:42,178
the chair.

4466
02:35:42,178 --> 02:35:42,980
And I ask to be recognized.

4467
02:35:42,980 --> 02:35:44,214
That's the process.

4468
02:35:44,214 --> 02:35:45,315
And the chair can choose to

4469
02:35:45,315 --> 02:35:47,715
recognize me or not.

4470
02:35:48,219 --> 02:35:49,120
If I wish to push the issue, I

4471
02:35:49,120 --> 02:35:50,820
have to challenge the rule of

4472
02:35:50,820 --> 02:35:51,654
the chair and we would have to

4473
02:35:51,654 --> 02:35:53,654
take a vote.

4474
02:35:54,892 --> 02:35:58,294
To avoid all of that, all you

4475
02:35:58,294 --> 02:35:58,928
have to say is MADAM, chair ask

4476
02:35:58,928 --> 02:36:00,928
the question.

4477
02:36:01,464 --> 02:36:02,867
I ask her to answer, and I'm

4478
02:36:02,867 --> 02:36:04,867
sure she'll oblige.

4479
02:36:05,335 --> 02:36:06,303
And we'll move on.

4480
02:36:06,303 --> 02:36:06,703
>>coun. Pe}a: it's not

4481
02:36:06,703 --> 02:36:07,771
discussion.

4482
02:36:07,771 --> 02:36:09,771
It's public comment.

4483
02:36:10,107 --> 02:36:11,408
She does not have to answer your

4484
02:36:11,408 --> 02:36:11,976
question.

4485
02:36:11,976 --> 02:36:13,976
>> understood.

4486
02:36:14,411 --> 02:36:14,678
>>coun. Pe}a: and your time is

4487
02:36:14,678 --> 02:36:16,678
up.

4488
02:36:17,480 --> 02:36:18,649
I don't know, councilor rogers,

4489
02:36:18,649 --> 02:36:18,982
do you want to allow for more

4490
02:36:18,982 --> 02:36:19,950
time?

4491
02:36:19,950 --> 02:36:20,350
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

4492
02:36:20,350 --> 02:36:22,252
PRESIDENT.

4493
02:36:22,252 --> 02:36:22,886
As long as we follow the rules

4494
02:36:22,886 --> 02:36:24,886
through the chair.

4495
02:36:25,221 --> 02:36:28,124
I'm happy to answer any

4496
02:36:28,124 --> 02:36:29,359
questions

4497
02:36:29,359 --> 02:36:30,861
questions directed.

4498
02:36:30,861 --> 02:36:32,595
>> on that note, madam

4499
02:36:32,595 --> 02:36:33,698
president, would you please ask

4500
02:36:33,698 --> 02:36:35,698
my representative, councilor

4501
02:36:36,330 --> 02:36:38,301
rogers, why it is that I have to

4502
02:36:38,301 --> 02:36:40,370
avoid my constitutional right to

4503
02:36:40,370 --> 02:36:40,838
ask questions of my

4504
02:36:40,838 --> 02:36:42,138
representatives here in this

4505
02:36:42,138 --> 02:36:44,138
city council chambers?

4506
02:36:44,141 --> 02:36:45,975
And I have to direct my

4507
02:36:45,975 --> 02:36:47,977
questions through you, why is it

4508
02:36:47,977 --> 02:36:49,780
when I fail to do so police

4509
02:36:49,780 --> 02:36:51,549
force is used to remove me from

4510
02:36:51,549 --> 02:36:53,216
the building and it is

4511
02:36:53,216 --> 02:36:54,551
dangerously used to prohibit my

4512
02:36:54,551 --> 02:36:56,319
free speech and my ability as

4513
02:36:56,319 --> 02:36:57,588
the journalist to ask questions

4514
02:36:57,588 --> 02:36:59,550
when you might not be able to

4515
02:36:59,550 --> 02:37:00,658
get away from them.

4516
02:37:00,658 --> 02:37:02,525
I understand you don't have a

4517
02:37:02,525 --> 02:37:04,862
blaikz to answer them, but it

4518
02:37:04,862 --> 02:37:06,597
would be nice to know why I was

4519
02:37:06,597 --> 02:37:08,331
removed forceally with police

4520
02:37:08,331 --> 02:37:10,801
force last time I was here and

4521
02:37:10,801 --> 02:37:13,437
why dan lewis is protected from

4522
02:37:13,437 --> 02:37:13,803
questions he doesn't want to

4523
02:37:13,803 --> 02:37:15,803
answer.

4524
02:37:18,676 --> 02:37:19,944
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, I would

4525
02:37:19,944 --> 02:37:21,770
advise he do not answer

4526
02:37:21,770 --> 02:37:23,580
questions that could be a matter

4527
02:37:23,580 --> 02:37:24,347
of litigation.

4528
02:37:24,347 --> 02:37:25,950
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers.

4529
02:37:25,950 --> 02:37:26,249
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

4530
02:37:26,249 --> 02:37:28,249
Chair.

4531
02:37:32,389 --> 02:37:34,324
Because this is wrapped up in

4532
02:37:34,324 --> 02:37:36,324
active legal matters.

4533
02:37:36,860 --> 02:37:39,290
I would have to defer to my

4534
02:37:39,290 --> 02:37:40,497
legal counsel's advice.

4535
02:37:40,497 --> 02:37:41,263
>> disappointing.

4536
02:37:41,263 --> 02:37:42,650
Thank you.

4537
02:37:42,650 --> 02:37:45,650
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

4538
02:37:45,936 --> 02:37:47,705
>> grace, followed by jonah.

4539
02:37:47,705 --> 02:37:50,105
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, welcome back

4540
02:37:50,273 --> 02:37:50,907
from your taxpayer funded

4541
02:37:50,907 --> 02:37:52,542
seven-week vacation.

4542
02:37:52,542 --> 02:37:53,110
I hope you enjoy it because we

4543
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:54,844
did not.

4544
02:37:54,844 --> 02:37:55,746
We suffered in the heat and

4545
02:37:55,746 --> 02:37:58,214
suffered in the jail for the

4546
02:37:58,214 --> 02:37:58,581
crime of sitting down on the

4547
02:37:58,581 --> 02:38:00,581
sidewalk.

4548
02:38:01,251 --> 02:38:03,554
Our every move was tracked by

4549
02:38:03,554 --> 02:38:06,554
flock cameras that are being

4550
02:38:08,825 --> 02:38:10,594
used by ice to snatch the

4551
02:38:10,594 --> 02:38:12,529
constituents from the streets.

4552
02:38:12,529 --> 02:38:14,564
Yet silence from this dais.

4553
02:38:14,564 --> 02:38:15,799
You have an opportunity, MADAM

4554
02:38:15,799 --> 02:38:17,567
PRESIDENT, now that we're back

4555
02:38:17,567 --> 02:38:21,167
from your break, you can correct

4556
02:38:21,371 --> 02:38:22,539
the course like you did earlier

4557
02:38:22,539 --> 02:38:24,539
tonight.

4558
02:38:25,176 --> 02:38:26,810
You can vote to stop the sweeps,

4559
02:38:26,810 --> 02:38:30,800
take down flock cameras to give

4560
02:38:30,800 --> 02:38:32,800
us a lifeline.

4561
02:38:33,783 --> 02:38:35,385
To stop treating us at the

4562
02:38:35,385 --> 02:38:36,186
working class people are second

4563
02:38:36,186 --> 02:38:38,186
class citizens.

4564
02:38:39,356 --> 02:38:41,925
We're tired of sitting down and

4565
02:38:41,925 --> 02:38:43,527
being employed while you and the

4566
02:38:43,527 --> 02:38:45,927
billionaires extract from us.

4567
02:38:46,229 --> 02:38:46,530
You can make an easy buck off

4568
02:38:46,530 --> 02:38:48,530
of.

4569
02:38:49,999 --> 02:38:52,135
When we stand up you sick the

4570
02:38:52,135 --> 02:38:53,404
police force on us.

4571
02:38:53,404 --> 02:38:55,390
You have to vote like it if you

4572
02:38:55,390 --> 02:38:57,439
want to help us.

4573
02:38:58,375 --> 02:39:01,375
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

4574
02:39:08,510 --> 02:39:10,451
>> jonah followed by erica.

4575
02:39:10,755 --> 02:39:12,222
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, city

4576
02:39:12,222 --> 02:39:14,900
councilors, I live in district

4577
02:39:14,900 --> 02:39:15,191
seven and attend unm.

4578
02:39:15,191 --> 02:39:16,726
My studies and conversations

4579
02:39:16,726 --> 02:39:18,528
with my community have taught me

4580
02:39:18,528 --> 02:39:19,996
about a couple concerning themes

4581
02:39:19,996 --> 02:39:21,996
in today's agenda.

4582
02:39:22,265 --> 02:39:24,434
O-38 is a potential tool for

4583
02:39:24,434 --> 02:39:26,834
restitution and systemic reform

4584
02:39:28,906 --> 02:39:29,305
over housing market to a large

4585
02:39:29,305 --> 02:39:30,507
corporation

4586
02:39:30,507 --> 02:39:32,108
corporation.

4587
02:39:32,108 --> 02:39:34,779
Community land trust with proper

4588
02:39:34,779 --> 02:39:37,779
developers are models for good.

4589
02:39:37,981 --> 02:39:40,981
O-35, minimum wage increases is

4590
02:39:42,318 --> 02:39:44,154
not matching up with inflation.

4591
02:39:44,154 --> 02:39:44,487
Lack of creative problem

4592
02:39:44,487 --> 02:39:45,922
solving.

4593
02:39:45,922 --> 02:39:48,322
We're all scared about

4594
02:39:49,426 --> 02:39:52,426
increasing rates, leze -- please

4595
02:39:55,632 --> 02:39:58,320
don't make it worse.

4596
02:39:58,101 --> 02:40:00,937
-- we know the historical

4597
02:40:00,937 --> 02:40:01,304
implications that normally

4598
02:40:01,304 --> 02:40:03,304
carries.

4599
02:40:03,541 --> 02:40:05,342
prop two seem to me theatrics.

4600
02:40:05,342 --> 02:40:07,811
I believe we are capable of more

4601
02:40:07,811 --> 02:40:10,811
progressive policies to help us

4602
02:40:11,470 --> 02:40:11,381
tackle this brutal affordability

4603
02:40:11,381 --> 02:40:13,381
crisis.

4604
02:40:16,190 --> 02:40:16,454
Stop the sweeps of the transient

4605
02:40:16,454 --> 02:40:17,954
neighbors.

4606
02:40:17,954 --> 02:40:18,555
Thanks to councilor fiebelkorn

4607
02:40:18,555 --> 02:40:20,555
and councilor rogers.

4608
02:40:21,524 --> 02:40:24,524
I see improvements every day.

4609
02:40:27,931 --> 02:40:29,132
>> erica followed by mervin.

4610
02:40:29,132 --> 02:40:31,132
>> good evening, MADAM

4611
02:40:32,470 --> 02:40:34,470
PRESIDENT, councilors.

4612
02:40:34,838 --> 02:40:38,108
I am owner operator of carver

4613
02:40:38,108 --> 02:40:40,243
family farm, new mexico's first

4614
02:40:40,243 --> 02:40:40,810
licensed vertically integrated

4615
02:40:40,810 --> 02:40:42,479
cannabis business.

4616
02:40:42,479 --> 02:40:44,147
It's located in district four

4617
02:40:44,147 --> 02:40:45,849
and I live in district seven.

4618
02:40:45,849 --> 02:40:49,449
I'm speaking to please ask you

4619
02:40:51,588 --> 02:40:52,989
to vote no on o-26-39.

4620
02:40:52,989 --> 02:40:54,124
It works against small

4621
02:40:54,124 --> 02:40:56,524
businesses and accessibility to

4622
02:40:56,593 --> 02:40:58,395
real estate options and against

4623
02:40:58,395 --> 02:40:59,596
medical patience having access

4624
02:40:59,596 --> 02:41:01,596
to cannabis medicines.

4625
02:41:01,865 --> 02:41:03,434
I understand we have many

4626
02:41:03,434 --> 02:41:05,268
dispensaries in albuquerque but

4627
02:41:05,268 --> 02:41:07,670
I don't see how disallowing new

4628
02:41:07,670 --> 02:41:08,939
cannabis businesses to open in

4629
02:41:08,939 --> 02:41:10,340
previously allowed areas is fair

4630
02:41:10,340 --> 02:41:12,342
when there are no other

4631
02:41:12,342 --> 02:41:12,677
businesses singled out in this

4632
02:41:12,677 --> 02:41:14,677
manner.

4633
02:41:15,612 --> 02:41:17,981
Without actually data to the

4634
02:41:17,981 --> 02:41:18,382
contrary, this is based on moral

4635
02:41:18,382 --> 02:41:20,382
prejudice.

4636
02:41:20,417 --> 02:41:23,417
There's no data that indicates

4637
02:41:25,889 --> 02:41:28,258
having a cannabis retail and

4638
02:41:28,258 --> 02:41:29,893
nicotine retail has a negative

4639
02:41:29,893 --> 02:41:31,861
outcome to the fostering

4640
02:41:31,861 --> 02:41:32,762
community to live, work, learn,

4641
02:41:32,762 --> 02:41:33,930
shop and play together.

4642
02:41:33,930 --> 02:41:35,930
Thank you.

4643
02:41:43,506 --> 02:41:44,809
>> mervin followed by antoina.

4644
02:41:44,809 --> 02:41:46,809
>> good evening, MADAM

4645
02:41:49,312 --> 02:41:50,847
PRESIDENT, councilors.

4646
02:41:50,847 --> 02:41:54,184
I want to talk about something

4647
02:41:54,184 --> 02:41:57,870
that I really feel is missing

4648
02:41:57,870 --> 02:41:57,887
from the course of any

4649
02:41:57,887 --> 02:41:59,924
discussions that I've ever heard

4650
02:41:59,924 --> 02:42:02,559
since I've been here in

4651
02:42:02,559 --> 02:42:03,627
albuquerque for the past six

4652
02:42:03,627 --> 02:42:05,627
years.

4653
02:42:06,563 --> 02:42:08,164
That is, the creation of the

4654
02:42:08,164 --> 02:42:10,564
memorandum of understanding with

4655
02:42:13,370 --> 02:42:16,370
the navajo nation regarding the

4656
02:42:17,240 --> 02:42:19,640
injuries, deaths, and the

4657
02:42:20,644 --> 02:42:21,845
killings of native americans,

4658
02:42:21,845 --> 02:42:22,746
particularly with my tribe the

4659
02:42:22,746 --> 02:42:24,347
navajo nation.

4660
02:42:24,347 --> 02:42:26,617
I would encourage this council

4661
02:42:26,617 --> 02:42:30,153
and even the mayor to begin to

4662
02:42:30,153 --> 02:42:31,721
look into dialogue with the

4663
02:42:31,721 --> 02:42:33,721
navajo nation.

4664
02:42:35,192 --> 02:42:38,792
There are concerns that I have.

4665
02:42:39,462 --> 02:42:39,929
12 years ago, two navajos were

4666
02:42:39,929 --> 02:42:41,929
killed here.

4667
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:45,100
There was an mou established

4668
02:42:45,100 --> 02:42:47,401
with the navajo nation.

4669
02:42:47,604 --> 02:42:51,204
On MAY 30th of last year, 2025,

4670
02:42:51,574 --> 02:42:54,440
I was ran down and pinned under

4671
02:42:54,440 --> 02:42:56,312
and injured quite severely.

4672
02:42:56,312 --> 02:42:59,449
Requiring surgery on my knee and

4673
02:42:59,449 --> 02:43:01,117
on my meta tarsal.

4674
02:43:01,117 --> 02:43:03,190
The employee with the solid

4675
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:04,870
waste management was using a

4676
02:43:04,870 --> 02:43:06,487
city of albuquerque vehicle.

4677
02:43:07,724 --> 02:43:10,124
This has to end.

4678
02:43:10,528 --> 02:43:12,620
Mou with the navajo nation would

4679
02:43:12,620 --> 02:43:14,831
spell this out in detail.

4680
02:43:14,831 --> 02:43:16,599
I urge you to reach out to the

4681
02:43:16,599 --> 02:43:18,599
navajo nation.

4682
02:43:33,840 --> 02:43:35,484
>> antonia followed by marslen.

4683
02:43:46,129 --> 02:43:48,529
Marslen followed by bryant.

4684
02:43:52,235 --> 02:43:53,636
>> 98, 98, 97, that is the

4685
02:43:53,636 --> 02:43:56,373
predicted high temp for the next

4686
02:43:56,373 --> 02:43:58,641
week here in albuquerque.

4687
02:43:58,641 --> 02:44:00,910
A drastic increase in hate

4688
02:44:00,910 --> 02:44:03,140
advisory warnings, yet does the

4689
02:44:03,140 --> 02:44:03,380
city have designated cooling

4690
02:44:03,380 --> 02:44:03,681
stations?

4691
02:44:03,681 --> 02:44:05,482
No.

4692
02:44:05,482 --> 02:44:07,585
Do we have shade at every one of

4693
02:44:07,585 --> 02:44:09,486
the bus stops that many have to

4694
02:44:09,486 --> 02:44:11,956
endure waiting for a long time

4695
02:44:11,956 --> 02:44:12,389
for their bus?

4696
02:44:12,389 --> 02:44:14,570
No.

4697
02:44:14,570 --> 02:44:16,626
Where are people to go?

4698
02:44:16,626 --> 02:44:18,529
Where are people to go?

4699
02:44:18,529 --> 02:44:20,529
prison?

4700
02:44:20,797 --> 02:44:21,132
To the prison shelter in the

4701
02:44:21,132 --> 02:44:22,966
desert?

4702
02:44:22,966 --> 02:44:25,966
The shelter with single digit

4703
02:44:27,505 --> 02:44:29,339
case workers the shelter where

4704
02:44:29,339 --> 02:44:29,874
being difficult can land you a

4705
02:44:29,874 --> 02:44:31,874
permanent ban.

4706
02:44:32,420 --> 02:44:34,144
It seems as though the city is

4707
02:44:34,144 --> 02:44:36,544
giving folks three options.

4708
02:44:36,713 --> 02:44:38,815
Jail, jail wearing the mask of a

4709
02:44:38,815 --> 02:44:40,550
shelter, or death.

4710
02:44:40,550 --> 02:44:41,786
The temperature will continue to

4711
02:44:41,786 --> 02:44:43,821
rise and we'll continue to harm

4712
02:44:43,821 --> 02:44:44,988
and kill people in our city.

4713
02:44:44,988 --> 02:44:46,924
I suggest councilors and the

4714
02:44:46,924 --> 02:44:49,491
public alike get familiar with

4715
02:44:49,491 --> 02:44:51,161
the urban heat island effect.

4716
02:44:51,161 --> 02:44:53,630
And we do something about this.

4717
02:44:53,630 --> 02:44:55,632
We can do hard things.

4718
02:44:55,632 --> 02:44:59,832
We can take care of each other.

4719
02:45:03,340 --> 02:45:03,674
We can do these thicks

4720
02:45:03,674 --> 02:45:04,374
ngs.

4721
02:45:04,374 --> 02:45:04,741
It's something that's really

4722
02:45:04,741 --> 02:45:05,408
important.

4723
02:45:05,408 --> 02:45:09,608
We can't just put it to the

4724
02:45:10,214 --> 02:45:12,182
side.

4725
02:45:12,182 --> 02:45:13,284
>> bryant followed by mark on

4726
02:45:13,284 --> 02:45:14,918
zoom.

4727
02:45:14,918 --> 02:45:17,387
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, I was here a

4728
02:45:17,387 --> 02:45:21,587
year ago to the month last year.

4729
02:45:21,958 --> 02:45:24,494
You guys gave me a proclamation

4730
02:45:24,494 --> 02:45:25,629
making human kind day.

4731
02:45:25,629 --> 02:45:27,731
I'm here a year later.

4732
02:45:27,731 --> 02:45:30,131
I did my part.

4733
02:45:30,300 --> 02:45:32,235
I have a cultural celebration

4734
02:45:32,235 --> 02:45:34,710
weekend coming up AUGUST 14th.

4735
02:45:34,710 --> 02:45:36,539
I invited all of you guys and

4736
02:45:36,539 --> 02:45:37,874
some of the community to a black

4737
02:45:37,874 --> 02:45:38,708
tie gala.

4738
02:45:38,708 --> 02:45:40,760
We'll break bread.

4739
02:45:40,760 --> 02:45:42,846
You have the opportunity to see

4740
02:45:42,846 --> 02:45:44,280
what your constituents -- not as

4741
02:45:44,280 --> 02:45:45,849
politicians but as people so

4742
02:45:45,849 --> 02:45:46,950
they can get to know you.

4743
02:45:46,950 --> 02:45:48,284
Where they actually know you as

4744
02:45:48,284 --> 02:45:50,284
people with families.

4745
02:45:51,988 --> 02:45:53,391
Ia -- you can break bread

4746
02:45:53,391 --> 02:45:54,457
without there being reelection

4747
02:45:54,457 --> 02:45:56,494
cycle or anything like that.

4748
02:45:56,494 --> 02:45:58,610
You show up because you want to.

4749
02:45:58,610 --> 02:46:00,310
i emailed you guys.

4750
02:46:00,310 --> 02:46:00,431
I gave you guys also an

4751
02:46:00,431 --> 02:46:02,320
invitation.

4752
02:46:02,320 --> 02:46:04,432
If you need them.

4753
02:46:04,467 --> 02:46:06,669
Again, I'll send them to you.

4754
02:46:06,669 --> 02:46:08,939
One of the events is AUGUST 14th

4755
02:46:08,939 --> 02:46:11,708
is the human kind gala.

4756
02:46:11,708 --> 02:46:14,111
AUGUST 15th winrock park from

4757
02:46:14,111 --> 02:46:16,790
1:00 P.M. To 6:00 P.M. We have

4758
02:46:16,790 --> 02:46:18,790
a cultural celebration.

4759
02:46:19,816 --> 02:46:20,150
AUGUST 16th I've got an art

4760
02:46:20,150 --> 02:46:21,951
battle.

4761
02:46:21,951 --> 02:46:23,520
We're doing the art battle.

4762
02:46:23,520 --> 02:46:25,520
12 artists.

4763
02:46:27,390 --> 02:46:29,390
Three 20-minute rounds.

4764
02:46:30,928 --> 02:46:32,896
We auctioned off all the art.

4765
02:46:32,896 --> 02:46:33,997
One of the events is councilor

4766
02:46:33,997 --> 02:46:35,231
baca's area.

4767
02:46:35,231 --> 02:46:36,466
I'm going to have security

4768
02:46:36,466 --> 02:46:38,866
coming through the area.

4769
02:46:40,704 --> 02:46:41,571
>>coun. Pe}a: your time is up.

4770
02:46:41,571 --> 02:46:44,571
Sir, your time is up.

4771
02:46:54,352 --> 02:46:56,654
>> I hope to see you guys there.

4772
02:46:56,654 --> 02:46:57,788
>> mark followed by benjamin.

4773
02:46:57,788 --> 02:46:59,788
>> good evening, MADAM

4774
02:47:00,623 --> 02:47:02,425
PRESIDENT, members of the

4775
02:47:02,425 --> 02:47:04,425
council.

4776
02:47:05,429 --> 02:47:07,464
71 years ago I became a resident

4777
02:47:07,464 --> 02:47:09,464
of albuquerque.

4778
02:47:10,660 --> 02:47:11,601
I've been with the senior

4779
02:47:11,601 --> 02:47:12,802
affairs advisory council.

4780
02:47:12,802 --> 02:47:14,204
I've learned about the work of

4781
02:47:14,204 --> 02:47:16,107
the department and dedicated

4782
02:47:16,107 --> 02:47:17,400
staff that care for our growing

4783
02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:19,400
senior population.

4784
02:47:19,676 --> 02:47:20,744
I'm also an active voice for the

4785
02:47:20,744 --> 02:47:22,580
council and department works

4786
02:47:22,580 --> 02:47:24,714
that demand programs and

4787
02:47:24,714 --> 02:47:26,116
services that keep our adults

4788
02:47:26,116 --> 02:47:26,516
healthy and independent and

4789
02:47:26,516 --> 02:47:28,516
connected.

4790
02:47:29,219 --> 02:47:30,920
This includes providing feedback

4791
02:47:30,920 --> 02:47:32,389
during the evaluation.

4792
02:47:32,389 --> 02:47:34,900
Including the recent breakfast

4793
02:47:34,900 --> 02:47:34,791
alignment at the senior and

4794
02:47:34,791 --> 02:47:36,594
multigeneration centers.

4795
02:47:36,594 --> 02:47:39,162
I can tell you the department is

4796
02:47:39,162 --> 02:47:40,897
very transparent and the

4797
02:47:40,897 --> 02:47:41,297
evaluation included public

4798
02:47:41,297 --> 02:47:43,166
meetings.

4799
02:47:43,166 --> 02:47:45,168
based on the feedback from

4800
02:47:45,168 --> 02:47:47,171
public and council member I

4801
02:47:47,171 --> 02:47:49,774
provided direct input to the

4802
02:47:49,774 --> 02:47:50,173
support and alignment program

4803
02:47:50,173 --> 02:47:52,800
sustainable.

4804
02:47:52,800 --> 02:47:54,408
Which included the recently

4805
02:47:54,811 --> 02:47:55,278
revised menu that was posted on

4806
02:47:55,278 --> 02:47:57,278
friday.

4807
02:47:57,681 --> 02:47:59,684
Further, I want to make sure the

4808
02:47:59,684 --> 02:48:02,840
department does an incredible

4809
02:48:03,653 --> 02:48:05,623
amount of work as lifeline for

4810
02:48:05,623 --> 02:48:07,357
seniors and those who need

4811
02:48:07,357 --> 02:48:08,191
access to family support and

4812
02:48:08,191 --> 02:48:08,559
transportation and other

4813
02:48:08,559 --> 02:48:09,592
services.

4814
02:48:09,592 --> 02:48:12,592
I'll skip to the bottom.

4815
02:48:14,130 --> 02:48:16,199
The department realignment that

4816
02:48:16,199 --> 02:48:17,634
optional for 20 years and done

4817
02:48:17,634 --> 02:48:20,634
for the betterment of resources

4818
02:48:21,236 --> 02:48:23,440
and keeps the program going.

4819
02:48:23,440 --> 02:48:24,809
A real need of growth should be

4820
02:48:24,809 --> 02:48:25,842
focused on other services many

4821
02:48:25,842 --> 02:48:27,544
do not see.

4822
02:48:27,544 --> 02:48:29,412
Thank you for your time and

4823
02:48:29,412 --> 02:48:32,412
hearing my perspective on the

4824
02:48:32,782 --> 02:48:33,184
support of the senior advisory

4825
02:48:33,184 --> 02:48:35,184
committee.

4826
02:48:35,919 --> 02:48:37,870
>> benjamin followed by joe.

4827
02:48:37,870 --> 02:48:38,540
>> good evening, MADAM

4828
02:48:38,540 --> 02:48:40,540
PRESIDENT, councilors.

4829
02:48:40,824 --> 02:48:42,258
Tonight I'd like to ask you to

4830
02:48:42,258 --> 02:48:44,658
please stop the mass

4831
02:48:45,290 --> 02:48:47,300
surveillance in our city through

4832
02:48:47,300 --> 02:48:49,132
drones and flock cameras.

4833
02:48:49,132 --> 02:48:51,568
It is my belief that this is

4834
02:48:51,568 --> 02:48:53,568
unwarranted surveillance.

4835
02:48:53,670 --> 02:48:55,739
Normally, police require a

4836
02:48:55,739 --> 02:48:56,974
warrant to spy on you, but not

4837
02:48:56,974 --> 02:48:57,941
with flock cameras.

4838
02:48:57,941 --> 02:49:00,244
Information is shared without

4839
02:49:00,244 --> 02:49:01,544
any such warrant.

4840
02:49:01,544 --> 02:49:04,781
Some of the reasons you should

4841
02:49:04,781 --> 02:49:08,218
not use flock, they have poor

4842
02:49:08,218 --> 02:49:10,218
security.

4843
02:49:11,154 --> 02:49:11,888
They share video with any law

4844
02:49:11,888 --> 02:49:12,789
enforcement organization

4845
02:49:12,789 --> 02:49:14,789
throughout the country

4846
02:49:15,158 --> 02:49:15,558
regardless of your privacy

4847
02:49:15,558 --> 02:49:17,558
settings.

4848
02:49:18,290 --> 02:49:19,462
They have over-confident ai that

4849
02:49:19,462 --> 02:49:21,862
flags incident people as

4850
02:49:22,320 --> 02:49:23,299
dangerous persons of interest.

4851
02:49:23,299 --> 02:49:24,835
They're extremely expensive.

4852
02:49:24,835 --> 02:49:27,271
It's another company that likes

4853
02:49:27,271 --> 02:49:28,471
to move fast and break things.

4854
02:49:28,471 --> 02:49:31,674
I don't know if we want to trust

4855
02:49:31,674 --> 02:49:33,376
that with our data.

4856
02:49:33,376 --> 02:49:35,110
They say they're all about

4857
02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:36,380
safety, but who are they keeping

4858
02:49:36,380 --> 02:49:38,380
us safe from?

4859
02:49:39,500 --> 02:49:40,518
It's a question about a tradeoff

4860
02:49:40,518 --> 02:49:42,918
between safety and freedom.

4861
02:49:43,254 --> 02:49:43,586
Please take down the flock

4862
02:49:43,586 --> 02:49:45,586
cameras.

4863
02:49:48,558 --> 02:49:50,327
>> joe.

4864
02:49:50,327 --> 02:49:51,161
>> good evening, MADAM

4865
02:49:51,161 --> 02:49:51,561
PRESIDENT, good evening,

4866
02:49:51,561 --> 02:49:52,762
councilors.

4867
02:49:52,762 --> 02:49:54,532
I had a chance over the summer

4868
02:49:54,532 --> 02:49:56,434
break to rewatch all of the

4869
02:49:56,434 --> 02:49:58,502
council meetings from this year.

4870
02:49:58,502 --> 02:50:00,136
Which admittedly at moments had

4871
02:50:00,136 --> 02:50:03,136
me questioning my life choices.

4872
02:50:03,473 --> 02:50:04,308
I wanted to offer a quick

4873
02:50:04,308 --> 02:50:05,308
observation and recommendation

4874
02:50:05,308 --> 02:50:07,708
on a few things.

4875
02:50:09,480 --> 02:50:09,979
The first item is in regards to

4876
02:50:09,979 --> 02:50:11,715
agendas.

4877
02:50:11,715 --> 02:50:12,160
Specifically just not packing

4878
02:50:12,160 --> 02:50:14,160
them.

4879
02:50:14,184 --> 02:50:15,920
That's something I think this

4880
02:50:15,920 --> 02:50:16,286
council leadership should

4881
02:50:16,286 --> 02:50:17,954
consider.

4882
02:50:17,954 --> 02:50:20,858
We have 1:00 A.M. Meetings.

4883
02:50:20,858 --> 02:50:21,191
I noticed a few people nodding

4884
02:50:21,191 --> 02:50:22,860
off.

4885
02:50:22,860 --> 02:50:23,461
It does make hard to do the

4886
02:50:23,461 --> 02:50:25,461
people's business.

4887
02:50:28,164 --> 02:50:29,699
And it gets a bit confusing at

4888
02:50:29,699 --> 02:50:31,201
12 in the morning.

4889
02:50:31,201 --> 02:50:31,668
Keeping the agenda is lighter is

4890
02:50:31,668 --> 02:50:33,668
a good idea.

4891
02:50:34,304 --> 02:50:36,304
I moats

4892
02:50:36,940 --> 02:50:37,374
noticed unequal public

4893
02:50:37,374 --> 02:50:39,374
comment.

4894
02:50:40,144 --> 02:50:42,513
Some folks goover by 15 seconds

4895
02:50:42,513 --> 02:50:42,879
and some by a minute or two

4896
02:50:42,879 --> 02:50:44,280
minutes.

4897
02:50:44,280 --> 02:50:47,880
I think it can be solvable.

4898
02:50:47,951 --> 02:50:49,786
In terms of access, althea

4899
02:50:49,786 --> 02:50:50,987
mentioned it at the last

4900
02:50:50,987 --> 02:50:52,622
meeting, but things like food

4901
02:50:52,622 --> 02:50:54,624
and childcare access and not

4902
02:50:54,624 --> 02:50:55,760
going overtime is a good

4903
02:50:55,760 --> 02:50:58,261
practice to make the council

4904
02:50:58,261 --> 02:50:58,661
more accessible to regular

4905
02:50:58,661 --> 02:50:59,764
folks.

4906
02:50:59,764 --> 02:51:02,164
That's something this council

4907
02:51:03,434 --> 02:51:05,268
could easily do and make some

4908
02:51:05,268 --> 02:51:06,469
steps towards.

4909
02:51:06,469 --> 02:51:07,570
Thank you for your time.

4910
02:51:07,570 --> 02:51:09,970
>> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

4911
02:51:11,608 --> 02:51:13,410
that concludes general public

4912
02:51:13,410 --> 02:51:15,410
comment.

4913
02:51:16,346 --> 02:51:16,714
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you, MR.

4914
02:51:16,714 --> 02:51:18,714
Cornelius.

4915
02:51:20,316 --> 02:51:21,951
Councilor telles is having point

4916
02:51:21,951 --> 02:51:22,752
of personal privilege.

4917
02:51:22,752 --> 02:51:24,287
>>coun. Telles: I just wanted to

4918
02:51:24,287 --> 02:51:27,240
make a quick clarification to

4919
02:51:27,240 --> 02:51:27,357
some folks regarding the flock

4920
02:51:27,357 --> 02:51:29,357
safety.

4921
02:51:30,193 --> 02:51:30,994
I have been looking into this

4922
02:51:30,994 --> 02:51:32,994
issue.

4923
02:51:34,431 --> 02:51:39,231
I want to let you all know that

4924
02:51:40,537 --> 02:51:42,673
we have not, at this point,

4925
02:51:42,673 --> 02:51:44,508
found any direct contact or

4926
02:51:44,508 --> 02:51:44,874
purchase orders with flock

4927
02:51:44,874 --> 02:51:46,874
safety.

4928
02:51:46,944 --> 02:51:49,344
My understanding that apd

4929
02:51:51,470 --> 02:51:52,349
currently utilizes vigilant

4930
02:51:52,349 --> 02:51:54,749
solutions for the automatic

4931
02:51:55,251 --> 02:51:57,251
license plate readers.

4932
02:52:00,157 --> 02:52:03,757
And we are definitely doing our

4933
02:52:03,961 --> 02:52:06,796
vigilance and due diligence to

4934
02:52:06,796 --> 02:52:09,666
understand how data is stored --

4935
02:52:09,666 --> 02:52:11,534
what data restrictions are in

4936
02:52:11,534 --> 02:52:13,204
place and what that sort of

4937
02:52:13,204 --> 02:52:15,204
looks like.

4938
02:52:16,400 --> 02:52:18,908
Just so the public is aware of

4939
02:52:18,908 --> 02:52:21,578
what that kind of looks like, we

4940
02:52:21,578 --> 02:52:25,615
don't at this point that I know

4941
02:52:25,615 --> 02:52:25,949
of have any contracts with flock

4942
02:52:25,949 --> 02:52:27,949
safety.

4943
02:52:30,153 --> 02:52:31,588
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

4944
02:52:31,588 --> 02:52:31,955
>>coun. Pe}a: vice PRESIDENT

4945
02:52:31,955 --> 02:52:33,590
Champine.

4946
02:52:33,590 --> 02:52:35,492
>>coun. Champine: I believe cao

4947
02:52:35,492 --> 02:52:35,825
sengel would like to speak on

4948
02:52:35,825 --> 02:52:37,761
that.

4949
02:52:37,761 --> 02:52:39,195
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

4950
02:52:39,195 --> 02:52:40,597
champine, councilor telles, city

4951
02:52:40,597 --> 02:52:43,330
of albuquerque does not have any

4952
02:52:43,330 --> 02:52:45,433
flock cameras or flock

4953
02:52:47,538 --> 02:52:49,339
contracts.

4954
02:52:49,339 --> 02:52:49,606
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you, MADAM

4955
02:52:49,606 --> 02:52:51,606
Cao.

4956
02:52:52,208 --> 02:52:54,345
We're now on approvals.

4957
02:52:54,345 --> 02:52:55,450
Ec-195 authorization for social

4958
02:52:55,450 --> 02:52:57,214
service agreement with new

4959
02:52:57,214 --> 02:52:59,214
mexico veterans integration

4960
02:53:03,319 --> 02:53:04,988
centers utilizing opioid

4961
02:53:04,988 --> 02:53:06,988
settlement fund appropriations

4962
02:53:07,691 --> 02:53:09,826
as outlined in city council

4963
02:53:09,826 --> 02:53:11,826
resolution 125-28.

4964
02:53:12,395 --> 02:53:13,960
We have a few of those contracts

4965
02:53:13,960 --> 02:53:15,960
coming up.

4966
02:53:17,801 --> 02:53:19,801
I move approval.

4967
02:53:20,700 --> 02:53:21,710
There's a second by committee of

4968
02:53:21,710 --> 02:53:22,405
the whole chair grout.

4969
02:53:22,405 --> 02:53:25,405
She has a couple questions.

4970
02:53:26,711 --> 02:53:30,911
If we can have the staff come

4971
02:53:35,151 --> 02:53:36,320
up.

4972
02:53:36,320 --> 02:53:36,686
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

4973
02:53:36,686 --> 02:53:38,686
PRESIDENT.

4974
02:53:40,256 --> 02:53:40,623
Thank you for being here,

4975
02:53:40,623 --> 02:53:42,920
director.

4976
02:53:42,920 --> 02:53:45,128
I am pleased to see this

4977
02:53:45,128 --> 02:53:47,530
contract, but my question is,

4978
02:53:47,530 --> 02:53:48,965
can you tell us what the

4979
02:53:48,965 --> 02:53:51,965
veterans integration center -- I

4980
02:53:54,204 --> 02:53:56,390
know it's for services for $1.5

4981
02:53:56,390 --> 02:53:57,508
million.

4982
02:53:57,508 --> 02:53:59,908
Endorphin power company is

4983
02:54:01,110 --> 02:54:02,880
getting 6.9-plus million.

4984
02:54:02,880 --> 02:54:05,150
What are we getting for that?

4985
02:54:05,150 --> 02:54:07,150
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

4986
02:54:08,718 --> 02:54:10,787
grout, for endorphin power

4987
02:54:10,787 --> 02:54:11,688
company -- it's construction.

4988
02:54:11,688 --> 02:54:12,990
They're going to be doing work

4989
02:54:12,990 --> 02:54:14,557
on their campus.

4990
02:54:14,557 --> 02:54:15,658
We'll be able to expand their

4991
02:54:15,658 --> 02:54:18,658
capacity to provide services on

4992
02:54:19,229 --> 02:54:20,798
their campus.

4993
02:54:20,798 --> 02:54:22,632
>>coun. Grout: okay.

4994
02:54:22,632 --> 02:54:24,602
Expand their campus.

4995
02:54:24,602 --> 02:54:26,336
Would you tell me where the

4996
02:54:26,336 --> 02:54:28,336
campus is?

4997
02:54:30,274 --> 02:54:30,607
>> it's on zuni near the cares

4998
02:54:30,607 --> 02:54:32,575
campus.

4999
02:54:32,575 --> 02:54:32,910
>>coun. Grout: that's what I

5000
02:54:32,910 --> 02:54:34,910
thought.

5001
02:54:36,212 --> 02:54:38,715
MADAM PRESIDENT, is it housing

5002
02:54:38,715 --> 02:54:39,784
or is it workshop?

5003
02:54:39,784 --> 02:54:41,217
What is it?

5004
02:54:41,217 --> 02:54:42,752
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5005
02:54:42,752 --> 02:54:44,154
grout, endorphin power company

5006
02:54:44,154 --> 02:54:46,389
are renovating one of the

5007
02:54:46,389 --> 02:54:47,257
existing -- the original

5008
02:54:47,257 --> 02:54:48,526
buildings.

5009
02:54:48,526 --> 02:54:49,426
They're going to build

5010
02:54:49,426 --> 02:54:50,960
additional case management

5011
02:54:50,960 --> 02:54:53,360
spaces and provide additional

5012
02:54:55,365 --> 02:54:56,901
education and group spaces.

5013
02:54:56,901 --> 02:54:59,301
That's in a nutshell.

5014
02:54:59,636 --> 02:55:00,300
That seems like not much for $7

5015
02:55:00,300 --> 02:55:00,804
million.

5016
02:55:00,804 --> 02:55:01,738
>>coun. Grout: when are they

5017
02:55:01,738 --> 02:55:03,274
going to start this?

5018
02:55:03,274 --> 02:55:05,410
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5019
02:55:05,410 --> 02:55:07,410
grout, the contract negotiations

5020
02:55:07,410 --> 02:55:10,146
with endorphin power company and

5021
02:55:10,146 --> 02:55:12,150
serenity mesa are still ongoing.

5022
02:55:12,150 --> 02:55:14,217
These are more complicated

5023
02:55:14,217 --> 02:55:16,617
contracts due to intricacies

5024
02:55:17,687 --> 02:55:19,522
with the anti-donation.

5025
02:55:19,522 --> 02:55:23,722
But they both are ready to start

5026
02:55:24,527 --> 02:55:25,628
within the time frames laid out

5027
02:55:25,628 --> 02:55:26,730
in the strategic plan.

5028
02:55:26,730 --> 02:55:28,331
>>coun. Grout: thank you.

5029
02:55:28,331 --> 02:55:30,731
MADAM PRESIDENT, question for

5030
02:55:31,869 --> 02:55:32,202
serenity mesa, I love this

5031
02:55:32,202 --> 02:55:33,203
program.

5032
02:55:33,203 --> 02:55:34,604
So much.

5033
02:55:34,604 --> 02:55:35,138
I love everything that they do

5034
02:55:35,138 --> 02:55:37,138
there.

5035
02:55:37,174 --> 02:55:39,174
I support them 100%.

5036
02:55:39,576 --> 02:55:40,110
What are we getting for $1.5

5037
02:55:40,110 --> 02:55:41,444
million?

5038
02:55:41,444 --> 02:55:43,444
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5039
02:55:44,881 --> 02:55:46,881
grout, they're expanding

5040
02:55:47,717 --> 02:55:50,687
their -- not their actual site,

5041
02:55:50,687 --> 02:55:53,687
but they're renovating and up

5042
02:55:55,226 --> 02:55:56,326
grading the housing piece that's

5043
02:55:56,326 --> 02:55:57,930
off

5044
02:55:57,930 --> 02:55:57,794
offsite.

5045
02:55:57,794 --> 02:55:59,229
>>coun. Grout: it's like

5046
02:55:59,229 --> 02:55:59,796
transitional housing?

5047
02:55:59,796 --> 02:56:01,231
>> yes.

5048
02:56:01,231 --> 02:56:03,631
>>coun. Grout: very good.

5049
02:56:03,768 --> 02:56:04,734
and are they ready to go?

5050
02:56:04,734 --> 02:56:06,734
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5051
02:56:07,700 --> 02:56:09,172
grout, the same answer as the

5052
02:56:09,172 --> 02:56:10,740
power company.

5053
02:56:10,740 --> 02:56:11,876
Yes, they're be ready.

5054
02:56:11,876 --> 02:56:12,509
>>coun. Grout: thank you.

5055
02:56:12,509 --> 02:56:15,311
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

5056
02:56:15,311 --> 02:56:15,845
Any additional questions?

5057
02:56:15,845 --> 02:56:17,845
Councilor rogers.

5058
02:56:18,810 --> 02:56:20,510
And we have one person signed up

5059
02:56:20,510 --> 02:56:21,251
to speak.

5060
02:56:21,251 --> 02:56:23,420
>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

5061
02:56:23,420 --> 02:56:26,222
This is part of the rfp for the

5062
02:56:26,222 --> 02:56:26,556
opioid settlement dollars,

5063
02:56:26,556 --> 02:56:27,425
correct?

5064
02:56:27,425 --> 02:56:29,590
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5065
02:56:29,590 --> 02:56:31,261
grout, this is part of the grant

5066
02:56:31,261 --> 02:56:31,594
process as part of the opioid

5067
02:56:31,594 --> 02:56:32,762
dollars.

5068
02:56:32,762 --> 02:56:33,196
>>coun. Rogers: thank you so

5069
02:56:33,196 --> 02:56:34,798
much.

5070
02:56:34,798 --> 02:56:37,233
MADAM PRESIDENT, one of the

5071
02:56:37,233 --> 02:56:38,768
things is the chair of the lgcc

5072
02:56:38,768 --> 02:56:40,768
hadn't help

5073
02:56:41,404 --> 02:56:43,306
that helped put this together is

5074
02:56:43,306 --> 02:56:44,574
we wanted to prioritize those

5075
02:56:44,574 --> 02:56:45,800
who weren't already getting

5076
02:56:45,800 --> 02:56:47,800
funding.

5077
02:56:48,278 --> 02:56:50,580
I saw from the rfp we gave extra

5078
02:56:50,580 --> 02:56:51,548
points to folks who already had

5079
02:56:51,548 --> 02:56:53,517
city contracts.

5080
02:56:53,517 --> 02:56:56,219
Can you tell me why we went

5081
02:56:56,219 --> 02:56:59,550
against what we were intending?

5082
02:56:59,550 --> 02:56:59,390
Not that these programs aren't

5083
02:56:59,390 --> 02:57:01,390
worthy.

5084
02:57:01,391 --> 02:57:02,959
We really talk about the same

5085
02:57:02,959 --> 02:57:05,959
old people getting the funding

5086
02:57:06,564 --> 02:57:06,864
over and over and over and over

5087
02:57:06,864 --> 02:57:08,864
again.

5088
02:57:10,166 --> 02:57:10,534
And not opening it up to new

5089
02:57:10,534 --> 02:57:11,801
providers.

5090
02:57:11,801 --> 02:57:14,904
We talked about that a lot.

5091
02:57:14,904 --> 02:57:16,841
When I read that in the rfp, I

5092
02:57:16,841 --> 02:57:18,942
was a little taken aback.

5093
02:57:18,942 --> 02:57:20,760
Can you tell me about why we did

5094
02:57:20,760 --> 02:57:20,977
that?

5095
02:57:20,977 --> 02:57:22,513
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5096
02:57:22,513 --> 02:57:23,279
rogers, that is a really good

5097
02:57:23,279 --> 02:57:25,279
question.

5098
02:57:25,315 --> 02:57:27,384
I'd like to do research and have

5099
02:57:27,384 --> 02:57:28,651
an answer question and give that

5100
02:57:28,651 --> 02:57:30,354
to you tomorrow.

5101
02:57:30,354 --> 02:57:32,455
I know our capacity building we

5102
02:57:32,455 --> 02:57:34,924
did prioritize agencies who have

5103
02:57:34,924 --> 02:57:35,291
had not historically had

5104
02:57:35,291 --> 02:57:37,291
contracts.

5105
02:57:37,794 --> 02:57:38,962
I need -- I want to make sure I

5106
02:57:38,962 --> 02:57:39,796
answer your question correctly.

5107
02:57:39,796 --> 02:57:40,164
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

5108
02:57:40,164 --> 02:57:41,332
PRESIDENT.

5109
02:57:41,332 --> 02:57:42,899
I would appreciate that.

5110
02:57:42,899 --> 02:57:45,635
I think endorphin power company

5111
02:57:45,635 --> 02:57:46,303
is a newer provider with the

5112
02:57:46,303 --> 02:57:48,303
city.

5113
02:57:48,738 --> 02:57:49,720
They've been doing work with the

5114
02:57:49,720 --> 02:57:51,720
county.

5115
02:57:52,143 --> 02:57:52,509
I see that with endorphin power

5116
02:57:52,509 --> 02:57:53,576
companies.

5117
02:57:53,576 --> 02:57:55,713
I'm disappointed to see they're

5118
02:57:55,713 --> 02:57:57,747
not going to expand housing.

5119
02:57:57,747 --> 02:58:00,517
They do a really great job about

5120
02:58:00,517 --> 02:58:03,353
housing with substance abuse not

5121
02:58:03,353 --> 02:58:05,353
just building rooms.

5122
02:58:07,490 --> 02:58:10,260
I would hope they would be

5123
02:58:10,260 --> 02:58:12,260
expanding that.

5124
02:58:12,228 --> 02:58:13,630
I would love -- I read through

5125
02:58:13,630 --> 02:58:15,599
the contract and everything, but

5126
02:58:15,599 --> 02:58:17,300
I think that was my biggest

5127
02:58:17,300 --> 02:58:19,700
question is not expanding

5128
02:58:20,570 --> 02:58:20,905
housing to that big amount of

5129
02:58:20,905 --> 02:58:22,872
dollars.

5130
02:58:22,872 --> 02:58:23,973
Just would love some more

5131
02:58:23,973 --> 02:58:25,676
information about that for this

5132
02:58:25,676 --> 02:58:27,410
amount of funding.

5133
02:58:27,410 --> 02:58:28,244
That we're not expanding

5134
02:58:28,244 --> 02:58:29,846
housing.

5135
02:58:29,846 --> 02:58:31,247
Transitional housing with

5136
02:58:31,247 --> 02:58:32,949
substance abuse care.

5137
02:58:32,949 --> 02:58:35,349
Which they're great at.

5138
02:58:35,786 --> 02:58:36,720
I would like to see them do

5139
02:58:36,720 --> 02:58:37,454
more.

5140
02:58:37,454 --> 02:58:37,821
>>coun. Pe}a: vice PRESIDENT

5141
02:58:37,821 --> 02:58:38,788
Champine.

5142
02:58:38,788 --> 02:58:41,240
>>coun. Champine: a good segue

5143
02:58:41,240 --> 02:58:41,391
from that into my only really

5144
02:58:41,391 --> 02:58:42,659
question.

5145
02:58:42,659 --> 02:58:44,461
I just wanted to understand a

5146
02:58:44,461 --> 02:58:45,729
little better, how is the amount

5147
02:58:45,729 --> 02:58:47,729
awarded determined?

5148
02:58:48,531 --> 02:58:51,735
I say this because each one seem

5149
02:58:51,735 --> 02:58:53,269
to be -- the two seem to be low,

5150
02:58:53,269 --> 02:58:56,269
but there's lot -- yeah.

5151
02:58:57,107 --> 02:58:58,208
Double than what the other two

5152
02:58:58,208 --> 02:58:59,276
are, combined.

5153
02:58:59,276 --> 02:59:01,112
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5154
02:59:01,112 --> 02:59:02,413
champine, they were awarded

5155
02:59:02,413 --> 02:59:04,514
based on some of the parameters

5156
02:59:04,514 --> 02:59:06,116
that we put in rfp.

5157
02:59:06,116 --> 02:59:09,420
One of the parameters we placed

5158
02:59:09,420 --> 02:59:12,890
in the rfp was project could not

5159
02:59:12,890 --> 02:59:14,458
exceed $7.5 million, which was

5160
02:59:14,458 --> 02:59:15,625
part of the lgc and city council

5161
02:59:15,625 --> 02:59:17,625
approved strategic plan.

5162
02:59:17,895 --> 02:59:18,161
Also we capped the services at

5163
02:59:18,161 --> 02:59:20,161
15%.

5164
02:59:22,299 --> 02:59:24,435
We interrupted the 15% of the

5165
02:59:24,435 --> 02:59:24,802
operating to also improve

5166
02:59:24,802 --> 02:59:26,802
services.

5167
02:59:27,505 --> 02:59:30,975
That's why you see new mexico

5168
02:59:30,975 --> 02:59:31,909
vic at $1.5 million.

5169
02:59:31,909 --> 02:59:33,544
That's 15%.

5170
02:59:33,544 --> 02:59:36,980
And also based on what they

5171
02:59:36,980 --> 02:59:38,980
actually ask for.

5172
02:59:39,783 --> 02:59:42,783
We prioritize in accordance to

5173
02:59:42,953 --> 02:59:46,891
the score and based on what the

5174
02:59:46,891 --> 02:59:47,258
agencies asked for in the

5175
02:59:47,258 --> 02:59:48,359
proposals.

5176
02:59:48,359 --> 02:59:48,893
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

5177
02:59:48,893 --> 02:59:49,527
MADAM PRESIDENT.

5178
02:59:49,527 --> 02:59:51,270
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

5179
02:59:51,270 --> 02:59:52,930
Any other questions?

5180
02:59:52,930 --> 02:59:55,166
We'll go to our public

5181
02:59:55,166 --> 02:59:56,700
commenter.

5182
02:59:56,700 --> 02:59:59,100
>> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

5183
03:00:15,619 --> 03:00:16,953
Lisa to speak.

5184
03:00:16,953 --> 03:00:18,953
>> hello.

5185
03:00:22,859 --> 03:00:23,259
I was unpapered because I was

5186
03:00:23,259 --> 03:00:23,627
distracted.

5187
03:00:23,627 --> 03:00:25,627
I'm sorry.

5188
03:00:27,832 --> 03:00:31,432
Thank you to everyone who has

5189
03:00:32,536 --> 03:00:33,570
been working on our very nuanced

5190
03:00:33,570 --> 03:00:35,570
layered onion project.

5191
03:00:37,240 --> 03:00:38,641
We have a proposal, if you're

5192
03:00:38,641 --> 03:00:41,641
interested in the next remainder

5193
03:00:41,812 --> 03:00:43,347
of the year, some of the very

5194
03:00:43,347 --> 03:00:44,782
difficult ideas.

5195
03:00:44,782 --> 03:00:46,782
Sidewalk ordinance and

5196
03:00:47,885 --> 03:00:49,286
moratorium on sweeps, the need

5197
03:00:49,286 --> 03:00:51,286
for tents.

5198
03:00:51,789 --> 03:00:54,250
We in our group have started

5199
03:00:54,250 --> 03:00:57,461
talking about the pros and cons.

5200
03:00:57,461 --> 03:00:57,862
It's not always clear-cut and

5201
03:00:57,862 --> 03:00:59,295
dry.

5202
03:00:59,295 --> 03:00:59,563
Because there's always good and

5203
03:00:59,563 --> 03:01:01,563
bad.

5204
03:01:02,298 --> 03:01:03,868
We seem to be getting into

5205
03:01:03,868 --> 03:01:05,435
division and these conflicts and

5206
03:01:05,435 --> 03:01:07,370
arguing and fighting as

5207
03:01:07,370 --> 03:01:07,737
community and friends and

5208
03:01:07,737 --> 03:01:09,706
families.

5209
03:01:09,706 --> 03:01:10,875
Maybe what if we -- I really

5210
03:01:10,875 --> 03:01:12,875
appreciate the deferment.

5211
03:01:14,770 --> 03:01:15,680
What if we had more time?

5212
03:01:15,680 --> 03:01:17,480
Because from the time it's on

5213
03:01:17,480 --> 03:01:19,650
the committee stuff and by the

5214
03:01:19,650 --> 03:01:21,850
time it gets on the agenda, how

5215
03:01:21,850 --> 03:01:22,552
have we as the community had

5216
03:01:22,552 --> 03:01:24,550
opportunity to talk about some

5217
03:01:24,550 --> 03:01:26,256
of these things so we're here

5218
03:01:26,256 --> 03:01:28,580
fighting over it or sitting next

5219
03:01:28,580 --> 03:01:29,727
to people we really might be in

5220
03:01:29,727 --> 03:01:30,161
agreement if we had more

5221
03:01:30,161 --> 03:01:32,950
information.

5222
03:01:32,950 --> 03:01:34,300
How could we develop something

5223
03:01:34,300 --> 03:01:37,601
in between before it gets to

5224
03:01:37,601 --> 03:01:39,937
here and let some of us help

5225
03:01:39,937 --> 03:01:41,937
communicate?

5226
03:01:42,806 --> 03:01:43,708
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

5227
03:01:43,708 --> 03:01:45,708
Final speaker?

5228
03:01:46,877 --> 03:01:47,912
>> yes, MADAM PRESIDENT.

5229
03:01:47,912 --> 03:01:48,312
>>coun. Pe}a: seeing no other

5230
03:01:48,312 --> 03:01:50,312
discussion.

5231
03:01:51,782 --> 03:01:52,149
I would urge your support for

5232
03:01:52,149 --> 03:01:54,149
r-25-128.

5233
03:01:58,722 --> 03:02:00,722
[Roll call].

5234
03:02:01,859 --> 03:02:02,359
-- I believe we were on ec-195.

5235
03:02:02,359 --> 03:02:04,359
Prac roll call].

5236
03:02:04,595 --> 03:02:05,828
[Roll call].

5237
03:02:05,828 --> 03:02:07,765
>>coun. Baca: yes.

5238
03:02:07,765 --> 03:02:09,433
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

5239
03:02:09,433 --> 03:02:11,433
>>coun. Champine: yes.

5240
03:02:11,535 --> 03:02:13,504
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

5241
03:02:13,504 --> 03:02:15,504
>>coun. Grout: yes.

5242
03:02:15,673 --> 03:02:17,673
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

5243
03:02:17,674 --> 03:02:18,809
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

5244
03:02:18,809 --> 03:02:19,543
>>coun. Telles: yes.

5245
03:02:19,543 --> 03:02:21,943
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

5246
03:02:22,279 --> 03:02:23,781
>> passes unanimously.

5247
03:02:23,781 --> 03:02:26,781
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

5248
03:02:31,589 --> 03:02:33,290
Just so the public knows,

5249
03:02:33,290 --> 03:02:34,591
--

5250
03:02:34,591 --> 03:02:36,991
ec-196 approval requested to

5251
03:02:38,290 --> 03:02:39,429
increase funding for fy27

5252
03:02:39,429 --> 03:02:40,563
substance abuse treatment

5253
03:02:40,563 --> 03:02:41,332
voucher contract with

5254
03:02:41,332 --> 03:02:43,100
albuquerque behavioral health.

5255
03:02:43,100 --> 03:02:44,902
I move approval.

5256
03:02:44,902 --> 03:02:47,670
There's a motion and a second by

5257
03:02:47,670 --> 03:02:47,971
committee of the whole chair

5258
03:02:47,971 --> 03:02:49,971
grout.

5259
03:02:50,607 --> 03:02:53,607
We started with comments first.

5260
03:02:53,977 --> 03:02:54,612
We can start there again.

5261
03:02:54,612 --> 03:02:55,912
Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

5262
03:02:55,912 --> 03:02:56,681
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

5263
03:02:56,681 --> 03:02:57,914
MADAM PRESIDENT.

5264
03:02:57,914 --> 03:02:58,181
I don't know who to direct this

5265
03:02:58,181 --> 03:03:00,181
to.

5266
03:03:02,887 --> 03:03:05,210
It has to do with 96-97.

5267
03:03:05,210 --> 03:03:07,240
It will be the same question.

5268
03:03:07,240 --> 03:03:08,558
Reading through this, I just

5269
03:03:08,558 --> 03:03:09,860
jotted down a few things.

5270
03:03:09,860 --> 03:03:11,395
My first question is the

5271
03:03:11,395 --> 03:03:13,395
contract date.

5272
03:03:15,599 --> 03:03:18,401
It seems to start JULY 1st at

5273
03:03:18,401 --> 03:03:20,360
100,000 and why now are we

5274
03:03:20,360 --> 03:03:23,360
asking for triple the amount?

5275
03:03:23,973 --> 03:03:26,644
>> we go based on historical

5276
03:03:26,644 --> 03:03:27,611
contracts with engendered and

5277
03:03:27,611 --> 03:03:29,611
albuquerque behavioral health.

5278
03:03:30,213 --> 03:03:30,581
They will exceed $100,000 before

5279
03:03:30,581 --> 03:03:32,581
mid-year.

5280
03:03:35,986 --> 03:03:37,854
We are based on clients we see,

5281
03:03:37,854 --> 03:03:39,924
we know this is how much they'll

5282
03:03:39,924 --> 03:03:40,558
need for the whole year.

5283
03:03:40,558 --> 03:03:41,926
>>coun. Champine: MADAM

5284
03:03:41,926 --> 03:03:44,828
PRESIDENT, if we knew that going

5285
03:03:44,828 --> 03:03:46,130
in, why not ask for the $300,000

5286
03:03:46,130 --> 03:03:48,990
before JULY 1st when the

5287
03:03:48,990 --> 03:03:49,330
contract started?

5288
03:03:49,330 --> 03:03:50,267
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5289
03:03:50,267 --> 03:03:52,103
champine, that's to ensure

5290
03:03:52,103 --> 03:03:54,103
continuity of care.

5291
03:03:54,637 --> 03:03:56,340
Whenever we're executing

5292
03:03:56,340 --> 03:03:58,241
contracts, it was to give them

5293
03:03:58,241 --> 03:04:00,344
$100,000 to start and have

5294
03:04:00,344 --> 03:04:03,380
enough time for them to continue

5295
03:04:03,380 --> 03:04:05,349
operating or providing services

5296
03:04:05,349 --> 03:04:07,284
from JUNE 30th.

5297
03:04:07,284 --> 03:04:09,684
They have existing clients.

5298
03:04:10,421 --> 03:04:10,720
After the budget is approved for

5299
03:04:10,720 --> 03:04:12,720
fy27.

5300
03:04:14,991 --> 03:04:17,828
We're in a bit of a tight

5301
03:04:17,828 --> 03:04:19,828
window.

5302
03:04:21,965 --> 03:04:23,965
>>coun. Champine: okay.

5303
03:04:24,534 --> 03:04:26,236
Seeing there's these three, how

5304
03:04:26,236 --> 03:04:27,504
many substance abuse treatment

5305
03:04:27,504 --> 03:04:27,771
contracts are out there right

5306
03:04:27,771 --> 03:04:29,771
now.

5307
03:04:29,774 --> 03:04:30,106
These are three we're talking

5308
03:04:30,106 --> 03:04:31,408
about.

5309
03:04:31,408 --> 03:04:32,609
How many more are there?

5310
03:04:32,609 --> 03:04:34,609
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5311
03:04:35,111 --> 03:04:37,447
champine, specific to providing

5312
03:04:37,447 --> 03:04:39,349
addiction treatment and healing,

5313
03:04:39,349 --> 03:04:40,150
which is engenered and

5314
03:04:40,150 --> 03:04:41,285
albuquerque behavioral health,

5315
03:04:41,285 --> 03:04:41,718
we have five contractors this

5316
03:04:41,718 --> 03:04:43,718
year.

5317
03:04:45,255 --> 03:04:46,122
Several of them are smaller

5318
03:04:46,122 --> 03:04:48,122
providers.

5319
03:04:48,992 --> 03:04:50,427
And provide less than $100,000

5320
03:04:50,427 --> 03:04:52,196
worth of services.

5321
03:04:52,196 --> 03:04:54,531
We're monitoring that closely.

5322
03:04:54,531 --> 03:04:55,398
If we see one needs additional

5323
03:04:55,398 --> 03:04:57,798
dollars, we'll bring that

5324
03:04:59,636 --> 03:05:02,360
contract forward as well.

5325
03:05:02,639 --> 03:05:04,107
We have other substance

5326
03:05:04,107 --> 03:05:06,677
addiction providers but in this

5327
03:05:06,677 --> 03:05:07,610
program there's five.

5328
03:05:07,610 --> 03:05:09,512
>>coun. Champine: MADAM

5329
03:05:09,512 --> 03:05:10,140
PRESIDENT, again, I get what

5330
03:05:10,140 --> 03:05:11,514
you're saying.

5331
03:05:11,514 --> 03:05:12,916
I'm having a hard time

5332
03:05:12,916 --> 03:05:15,151
swallowing the fact that we know

5333
03:05:15,151 --> 03:05:18,751
what they usually spend and we

5334
03:05:19,422 --> 03:05:21,558
know they go over $100,000 but

5335
03:05:21,558 --> 03:05:22,258
we're going to ask and come back

5336
03:05:22,258 --> 03:05:23,326
for more.

5337
03:05:23,326 --> 03:05:25,195
Do you understand my point?

5338
03:05:25,195 --> 03:05:27,530
If we know they're going to go

5339
03:05:27,530 --> 03:05:28,798
over, then give us a good

5340
03:05:28,798 --> 03:05:30,100
picture going forward with it.

5341
03:05:30,100 --> 03:05:33,100
Maybe that's just me not

5342
03:05:33,571 --> 03:05:34,771
understanding it properly.

5343
03:05:34,771 --> 03:05:36,771
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5344
03:05:38,740 --> 03:05:39,420
champine, I understand what

5345
03:05:39,420 --> 03:05:40,977
you're saying.

5346
03:05:40,977 --> 03:05:43,480
We'll see if next year we're

5347
03:05:43,480 --> 03:05:47,800
able to put forward a contract

5348
03:05:48,151 --> 03:05:50,551
after the budget's approved.

5349
03:05:51,220 --> 03:05:52,555
because it meets a certain

5350
03:05:52,555 --> 03:05:54,724
threshold and have it in place

5351
03:05:54,724 --> 03:05:55,458
prior to JULY 1.

5352
03:05:55,458 --> 03:05:57,661
>>coun. Champine: thank you.

5353
03:05:57,661 --> 03:05:58,628
>> it's a bit of a timing issue.

5354
03:05:58,628 --> 03:05:59,363
>>coun. Champine: thank you.

5355
03:05:59,363 --> 03:05:59,863
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

5356
03:05:59,863 --> 03:06:01,665
Councilor grout.

5357
03:06:01,665 --> 03:06:02,650
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

5358
03:06:02,650 --> 03:06:04,650
PRESIDENT.

5359
03:06:05,535 --> 03:06:06,803
I have a question about -- this

5360
03:06:06,803 --> 03:06:08,805
contract requires the provider

5361
03:06:08,805 --> 03:06:09,774
to participate in the

5362
03:06:09,774 --> 03:06:11,341
implementation of the cap

5363
03:06:11,341 --> 03:06:12,876
voucher database.

5364
03:06:12,876 --> 03:06:15,545
And it's our understanding that

5365
03:06:15,545 --> 03:06:17,247
it's not ready yet.

5366
03:06:17,247 --> 03:06:20,847
It's going to take longer for

5367
03:06:21,951 --> 03:06:25,551
you guys to get that negotiated.

5368
03:06:30,794 --> 03:06:33,960
Can you tell us --

5369
03:06:33,960 --> 03:06:33,797
>> we had to go back and forth

5370
03:06:33,797 --> 03:06:35,797
with that contract.

5371
03:06:36,660 --> 03:06:36,367
I talked to our division manager

5372
03:06:36,367 --> 03:06:38,367
today.

5373
03:06:39,202 --> 03:06:40,904
I think it needs one final

5374
03:06:40,904 --> 03:06:41,305
review and it will move to

5375
03:06:41,305 --> 03:06:42,605
execution.

5376
03:06:42,605 --> 03:06:44,841
We expect the contract will move

5377
03:06:44,841 --> 03:06:45,208
to execution with the database

5378
03:06:45,208 --> 03:06:46,776
provider.

5379
03:06:46,776 --> 03:06:48,312
We expect they're going to take

5380
03:06:48,312 --> 03:06:51,314
this first part of this fiscal

5381
03:06:51,314 --> 03:06:54,884
year to build it out and by

5382
03:06:54,884 --> 03:06:55,318
JANUARY we should have it

5383
03:06:55,318 --> 03:06:57,121
operational.

5384
03:06:57,121 --> 03:06:57,987
>>coun. Grout: very good.

5385
03:06:57,987 --> 03:06:58,756
Thank you.

5386
03:06:58,756 --> 03:07:01,725
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers.

5387
03:07:01,725 --> 03:07:02,930
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

5388
03:07:02,930 --> 03:07:03,827
PRESIDENT.

5389
03:07:03,827 --> 03:07:06,529
I appreciate this contract has

5390
03:07:06,529 --> 03:07:09,529
some very specific things for

5391
03:07:10,330 --> 03:07:12,433
process descriptions and data

5392
03:07:12,435 --> 03:07:12,802
that we're getting from the

5393
03:07:12,802 --> 03:07:14,337
providers.

5394
03:07:14,337 --> 03:07:16,339
I thank you, councilor grout,

5395
03:07:16,339 --> 03:07:17,874
for bringing up the database.

5396
03:07:17,874 --> 03:07:18,175
We're waiting for outcomes on

5397
03:07:18,175 --> 03:07:20,175
there.

5398
03:07:20,877 --> 03:07:22,445
I want to make sure these

5399
03:07:22,445 --> 03:07:25,445
contracts -- also with the

5400
03:07:26,784 --> 03:07:28,518
opioid settlement dashboard.

5401
03:07:28,518 --> 03:07:30,954
One thing I found interesting

5402
03:07:30,954 --> 03:07:32,954
was the qualification.

5403
03:07:33,391 --> 03:07:34,791
This is for the past substance

5404
03:07:34,791 --> 03:07:35,458
abuse treatment provider

5405
03:07:35,458 --> 03:07:36,960
network.

5406
03:07:36,960 --> 03:07:38,940
For exhibit a, it says

5407
03:07:38,940 --> 03:07:40,494
identification of clients who

5408
03:07:40,897 --> 03:07:43,297
are eligible for treatment

5409
03:07:43,800 --> 03:07:45,735
subsidies is part of the

5410
03:07:45,735 --> 03:07:48,135
standard process of agencies.

5411
03:07:48,605 --> 03:07:50,306
Eligibility is defined as

5412
03:07:50,306 --> 03:07:50,674
clients who meet all established

5413
03:07:50,674 --> 03:07:52,142
criteria.

5414
03:07:52,142 --> 03:07:54,577
And there's six of them.

5415
03:07:54,577 --> 03:07:57,577
One, they need substance use

5416
03:07:57,647 --> 03:07:59,149
treatment defined as having a

5417
03:07:59,149 --> 03:08:00,483
substance within the last two

5418
03:08:00,483 --> 03:08:02,420
year, which I'm grateful for.

5419
03:08:02,420 --> 03:08:03,853
We have some folks who I was

5420
03:08:03,853 --> 03:08:07,453
trying to get help this weekend

5421
03:08:07,924 --> 03:08:10,594
through acs but wanted to go to

5422
03:08:10,594 --> 03:08:10,894
mac but haven't used in two

5423
03:08:10,894 --> 03:08:11,928
weeks.

5424
03:08:11,928 --> 03:08:12,896
The gentleman said I'm going to

5425
03:08:12,896 --> 03:08:14,497
go use.

5426
03:08:14,497 --> 03:08:16,366
I'm going to go real quick to

5427
03:08:16,366 --> 03:08:18,340
central and use real quick so

5428
03:08:18,340 --> 03:08:20,340
they'll take me.

5429
03:08:21,370 --> 03:08:24,370
Which is a disastrous outcome.

5430
03:08:24,607 --> 03:08:26,309
We need to work on that.

5431
03:08:26,309 --> 03:08:27,778
We tried to get them on that and

5432
03:08:27,778 --> 03:08:29,446
they were turned away because

5433
03:08:29,446 --> 03:08:30,847
they haven't used within the

5434
03:08:30,847 --> 03:08:32,383
last two weeks.

5435
03:08:32,383 --> 03:08:35,983
I appreciate the city saying two

5436
03:08:35,986 --> 03:08:37,287
years because we know this is

5437
03:08:37,287 --> 03:08:38,880
getting someone out of substance

5438
03:08:38,880 --> 03:08:40,880
abuse is lot.

5439
03:08:42,225 --> 03:08:44,295
These are the ones I'm concerned

5440
03:08:44,295 --> 03:08:46,196
about.

5441
03:08:46,196 --> 03:08:47,300
Do not receive full medicaid

5442
03:08:47,300 --> 03:08:49,300
benefits.

5443
03:08:49,199 --> 03:08:52,799
So, is this provider able to

5444
03:08:53,371 --> 03:08:55,371
bill for medicaid?

5445
03:08:56,306 --> 03:08:57,607
So they will be -- if you have

5446
03:08:57,607 --> 03:08:59,876
medicaid we'll bill under this

5447
03:08:59,876 --> 03:09:01,110
and if they don't their only

5448
03:09:01,110 --> 03:09:01,711
billing the city of albuquerque

5449
03:09:01,711 --> 03:09:03,146
for those?

5450
03:09:03,146 --> 03:09:03,947
Because that was interesting to

5451
03:09:03,947 --> 03:09:05,416
read that.

5452
03:09:05,416 --> 03:09:06,490
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5453
03:09:06,490 --> 03:09:08,490
rogers, yes.

5454
03:09:08,952 --> 03:09:10,854
In fact, our providers are

5455
03:09:10,854 --> 03:09:12,656
expected to bill medicaid.

5456
03:09:12,656 --> 03:09:15,560
Additionally, the reason we

5457
03:09:15,826 --> 03:09:17,361
utilize the term full medicaid

5458
03:09:17,361 --> 03:09:19,796
benefits because at one time

5459
03:09:19,796 --> 03:09:20,997
they had family plans and that

5460
03:09:20,997 --> 03:09:21,331
didn't cover any behavioral

5461
03:09:21,331 --> 03:09:23,331
health.

5462
03:09:23,434 --> 03:09:26,369
We wanted to make sure if you

5463
03:09:26,369 --> 03:09:27,737
had that type of medicaid which

5464
03:09:27,737 --> 03:09:28,872
didn't cover behavioral health

5465
03:09:28,872 --> 03:09:30,340
services you would still be

5466
03:09:30,340 --> 03:09:31,708
eligible for this program.

5467
03:09:31,708 --> 03:09:32,108
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

5468
03:09:32,108 --> 03:09:34,108
PRESIDENT.

5469
03:09:35,378 --> 03:09:36,579
The next one was have commercial

5470
03:09:36,579 --> 03:09:38,648
insurance that covers the cost

5471
03:09:38,648 --> 03:09:41,648
of behavioral health services to

5472
03:09:42,652 --> 03:09:45,520
the deductible greater than

5473
03:09:45,456 --> 03:09:46,890
$2500 or copay is $35 or more.

5474
03:09:46,890 --> 03:09:48,358
Talk to me about that.

5475
03:09:48,358 --> 03:09:49,627
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5476
03:09:49,627 --> 03:09:51,795
rogers, what we're finding is

5477
03:09:51,795 --> 03:09:53,196
people in the very low income,

5478
03:09:53,196 --> 03:09:54,432
sometimes they MAY have

5479
03:09:54,432 --> 03:09:56,832
commercial insurance, but that

5480
03:09:57,340 --> 03:09:59,302
copay or deductive was too

5481
03:09:59,302 --> 03:10:00,203
challenging for them to meet and

5482
03:10:00,203 --> 03:10:02,405
still receive behavioral health.

5483
03:10:02,405 --> 03:10:05,800
We added that to make sure we're

5484
03:10:05,800 --> 03:10:06,911
covering the people who weren't

5485
03:10:06,911 --> 03:10:07,677
covered in areas for services.

5486
03:10:07,677 --> 03:10:08,780
>>coun. Rogers: wonderful.

5487
03:10:08,780 --> 03:10:10,780
Thank you.

5488
03:10:11,414 --> 03:10:13,216
Last question is just how do

5489
03:10:13,216 --> 03:10:14,517
these providers give us all of

5490
03:10:14,517 --> 03:10:15,685
this information.

5491
03:10:15,685 --> 03:10:18,685
One of the things they're

5492
03:10:18,788 --> 03:10:20,223
required to do is summarize the

5493
03:10:20,223 --> 03:10:21,624
client's pattern of drug and

5494
03:10:21,624 --> 03:10:23,927
alcohol use over time.

5495
03:10:23,927 --> 03:10:25,595
Including how and why the

5496
03:10:25,595 --> 03:10:27,995
problems began, describe any

5497
03:10:28,899 --> 03:10:30,166
triggers to use the client's

5498
03:10:30,166 --> 03:10:32,202
readiness for treatment and

5499
03:10:32,202 --> 03:10:34,571
describe the client's experience

5500
03:10:34,571 --> 03:10:36,500
and level of success.

5501
03:10:36,500 --> 03:10:37,841
Including when they were in

5502
03:10:37,841 --> 03:10:38,209
treatment and what type of

5503
03:10:38,209 --> 03:10:39,944
treatment.

5504
03:10:39,944 --> 03:10:41,411
Include information about why

5505
03:10:41,411 --> 03:10:42,213
the client began using

5506
03:10:42,213 --> 03:10:44,213
substances again.

5507
03:10:45,648 --> 03:10:47,184
There's a whole a through I.

5508
03:10:47,184 --> 03:10:49,219
How is the department going to

5509
03:10:49,219 --> 03:10:50,620
get that information and share

5510
03:10:50,620 --> 03:10:53,240
it so we can see it?

5511
03:10:53,240 --> 03:10:54,258
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5512
03:10:54,258 --> 03:10:56,327
rogers, what you're reading from

5513
03:10:56,327 --> 03:10:59,195
is defining how expectations of

5514
03:10:59,195 --> 03:11:00,230
how they're conducting an

5515
03:11:00,230 --> 03:11:02,230
addition assessment.

5516
03:11:04,401 --> 03:11:06,801
Those are required components.

5517
03:11:08,638 --> 03:11:09,539
Due to higher standards for

5518
03:11:09,539 --> 03:11:10,840
confidentiality for substance

5519
03:11:10,840 --> 03:11:12,840
abuse treatment.

5520
03:11:12,909 --> 03:11:14,911
They're expected to maintain

5521
03:11:14,911 --> 03:11:17,311
that in the file.

5522
03:11:17,648 --> 03:11:18,115
We have consult

5523
03:11:18,115 --> 03:11:20,115
suality

5524
03:11:21,351 --> 03:11:23,219
sultants monitor.

5525
03:11:23,219 --> 03:11:24,354
To make sure they're having good

5526
03:11:24,354 --> 03:11:25,789
clinical standards.

5527
03:11:25,789 --> 03:11:27,900
Based on the assessment they're

5528
03:11:27,900 --> 03:11:28,925
required to do a treatment plant

5529
03:11:28,925 --> 03:11:29,259
and quarterly treatment plan

5530
03:11:29,259 --> 03:11:30,393
updates.

5531
03:11:30,393 --> 03:11:31,194
We don't actually receive this

5532
03:11:31,194 --> 03:11:32,762
information and we shouldn't.

5533
03:11:32,762 --> 03:11:34,531
But we do check to make sure

5534
03:11:34,531 --> 03:11:36,931
this information is maintained

5535
03:11:38,702 --> 03:11:39,103
in the file in accordance with

5536
03:11:39,103 --> 03:11:39,970
procedures.

5537
03:11:39,970 --> 03:11:42,372
>>coun. Rogers: in that unless,

5538
03:11:42,372 --> 03:11:45,972
do we ever take those nuggets

5539
03:11:46,544 --> 03:11:47,277
and help us design our programs?

5540
03:11:47,277 --> 03:11:48,244
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5541
03:11:48,244 --> 03:11:49,312
rogers, I'm so glad you're

5542
03:11:49,312 --> 03:11:50,780
asking these questions.

5543
03:11:50,780 --> 03:11:51,848
In addition, there's some

5544
03:11:51,848 --> 03:11:54,248
additionalal information that we

5545
03:11:54,351 --> 03:11:56,754
do ask them to collect.

5546
03:11:56,754 --> 03:11:59,154
They're called outcomes reports.

5547
03:11:59,622 --> 03:12:01,424
It's used for two decades.

5548
03:12:01,424 --> 03:12:03,594
They're expected to show there's

5549
03:12:03,594 --> 03:12:05,462
some type of progress.

5550
03:12:05,462 --> 03:12:06,996
And sometimes in our clients we

5551
03:12:06,996 --> 03:12:07,831
see have they established with a

5552
03:12:07,831 --> 03:12:09,799
primary care doctor.

5553
03:12:09,799 --> 03:12:11,569
That is a positive outcome.

5554
03:12:11,569 --> 03:12:12,569
Those are the outcomes we looked

5555
03:12:12,569 --> 03:12:14,569
at over time.

5556
03:12:15,139 --> 03:12:17,240
And they also maintain that in

5557
03:12:17,240 --> 03:12:18,108
they're file.

5558
03:12:18,108 --> 03:12:20,411
>>coun. Rogers: those are what

5559
03:12:20,411 --> 03:12:22,245
we should see on the dashboard?

5560
03:12:22,245 --> 03:12:24,481
>> those are the outcomes we

5561
03:12:24,481 --> 03:12:24,882
want to see that we hope to have

5562
03:12:24,882 --> 03:12:26,716
operational.

5563
03:12:26,716 --> 03:12:29,420
That we'll have operational in

5564
03:12:29,420 --> 03:12:30,120
this fiscal year.

5565
03:12:30,120 --> 03:12:32,520
>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

5566
03:12:32,656 --> 03:12:33,190
We need to have it ready and

5567
03:12:33,190 --> 03:12:34,524
ready to go.

5568
03:12:34,524 --> 03:12:35,126
I know our teams are working

5569
03:12:35,126 --> 03:12:37,126
hard on that.

5570
03:12:40,300 --> 03:12:41,866
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

5571
03:12:41,866 --> 03:12:43,566
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

5572
03:12:43,566 --> 03:12:46,566
Seeing no other questions, our

5573
03:12:47,604 --> 03:12:50,604
public commenter took her name

5574
03:12:51,509 --> 03:12:53,144
off.

5575
03:12:53,144 --> 03:12:56,744
With that, I urge your support

5576
03:12:57,447 --> 03:12:59,416
on ec-196.

5577
03:12:59,416 --> 03:13:01,416
[Roll call].

5578
03:13:01,452 --> 03:13:03,319
>>coun. Baca: yes.

5579
03:13:03,319 --> 03:13:04,888
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

5580
03:13:04,888 --> 03:13:06,888
>>coun. Champine: yes.

5581
03:13:07,323 --> 03:13:09,250
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

5582
03:13:09,250 --> 03:13:10,995
>>coun. Grout: yes.

5583
03:13:10,995 --> 03:13:12,995
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

5584
03:13:13,697 --> 03:13:14,831
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

5585
03:13:14,831 --> 03:13:15,399
>>coun. Telles: yes.

5586
03:13:15,399 --> 03:13:17,600
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

5587
03:13:17,600 --> 03:13:18,234
>> passes unanimously.

5588
03:13:18,234 --> 03:13:21,234
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

5589
03:13:21,504 --> 03:13:21,870
We're now on ec-197 under

5590
03:13:21,870 --> 03:13:23,870
approvals.

5591
03:13:26,643 --> 03:13:29,914
I move approval of the requested

5592
03:13:29,914 --> 03:13:31,348
increase funding for the fy27

5593
03:13:31,348 --> 03:13:33,490
substance abuse treatment

5594
03:13:33,490 --> 03:13:33,483
contract with engender

5595
03:13:33,483 --> 03:13:34,684
incorporated.

5596
03:13:34,684 --> 03:13:36,684
I move approval.

5597
03:13:38,588 --> 03:13:40,457
There's a motion, and a second

5598
03:13:40,457 --> 03:13:41,424
by vice PRESIDENT Champine.

5599
03:13:41,424 --> 03:13:44,424
we'll start with comments from

5600
03:13:45,528 --> 03:13:46,696
the councilors.

5601
03:13:46,696 --> 03:13:48,265
I see none.

5602
03:13:48,265 --> 03:13:48,565
We have anyone signed up to

5603
03:13:48,565 --> 03:13:49,833
speak.

5604
03:13:49,833 --> 03:13:50,133
There is no one signed up to

5605
03:13:50,133 --> 03:13:52,133
speak.

5606
03:13:53,336 --> 03:13:55,872
I urge your support on this.

5607
03:13:55,872 --> 03:13:57,107
[Roll call].

5608
03:13:57,107 --> 03:13:59,107
>>coun. Baca: yes.

5609
03:13:59,509 --> 03:14:01,379
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

5610
03:14:01,379 --> 03:14:03,346
>>coun. Champine: yes.

5611
03:14:03,346 --> 03:14:05,181
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

5612
03:14:05,181 --> 03:14:07,181
>>coun. Grout: yes.

5613
03:14:07,183 --> 03:14:08,885
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

5614
03:14:08,885 --> 03:14:10,153
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

5615
03:14:10,153 --> 03:14:10,720
>>coun. Telles: yes.

5616
03:14:10,720 --> 03:14:12,288
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

5617
03:14:12,288 --> 03:14:13,423
>> passes unanimously.

5618
03:14:13,423 --> 03:14:14,991
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

5619
03:14:14,991 --> 03:14:16,159
We're now on item 14.

5620
03:14:16,159 --> 03:14:16,893
Final actions.

5621
03:14:16,893 --> 03:14:19,293
Councilor grout and councilor

5622
03:14:19,829 --> 03:14:20,130
fiebelkorn.

5623
03:14:20,130 --> 03:14:22,130
O-32.

5624
03:14:23,233 --> 03:14:26,233
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

5625
03:14:26,804 --> 03:14:28,571
PRESIDENT.

5626
03:14:28,571 --> 03:14:30,571
Amending the secondhand

5627
03:14:31,674 --> 03:14:33,244
catalytic converter purchase

5628
03:14:33,244 --> 03:14:35,111
ordinance and renaming it the

5629
03:14:35,111 --> 03:14:36,714
sale of recycled materials

5630
03:14:36,714 --> 03:14:38,516
ordinance and expanding the

5631
03:14:38,516 --> 03:14:40,617
scope to cover copper or brass

5632
03:14:40,617 --> 03:14:42,886
materials and updating reporting

5633
03:14:42,886 --> 03:14:44,288
and record keeping requirements

5634
03:14:44,288 --> 03:14:46,289
andmanidating the form of tender

5635
03:14:46,289 --> 03:14:46,690
for transactions for this

5636
03:14:46,690 --> 03:14:48,690
ordinance.

5637
03:14:50,260 --> 03:14:50,727
I move do pass.

5638
03:14:50,727 --> 03:14:51,728
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

5639
03:14:51,728 --> 03:14:53,630
Sdmrp

5640
03:14:53,630 --> 03:14:55,432
.

5641
03:14:55,432 --> 03:14:57,934
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

5642
03:14:57,934 --> 03:14:58,334
and a second by councilor

5643
03:14:58,334 --> 03:15:00,334
fiebelkorn.

5644
03:15:00,369 --> 03:15:00,737
I'm going to go to public

5645
03:15:00,737 --> 03:15:01,371
comment.

5646
03:15:01,371 --> 03:15:01,806
There's none.

5647
03:15:01,806 --> 03:15:03,806
Thank you.

5648
03:15:06,109 --> 03:15:08,509
Any questions from councilors?

5649
03:15:08,678 --> 03:15:11,780
open from councilor grout.

5650
03:15:11,881 --> 03:15:12,749
Or councilor fiebelkorn.

5651
03:15:12,749 --> 03:15:15,149
>>coun. Grout: thank you.

5652
03:15:15,719 --> 03:15:16,986
I want to thank councilor

5653
03:15:16,986 --> 03:15:17,954
fiebelkorn for co-sponsoring

5654
03:15:17,954 --> 03:15:19,954
this with me.

5655
03:15:21,825 --> 03:15:23,560
Four years ago, we brought the

5656
03:15:23,560 --> 03:15:24,761
secondhand catalytic converter

5657
03:15:24,761 --> 03:15:27,161
ordinance to the public.

5658
03:15:28,398 --> 03:15:31,998
And we have seen a dramatic

5659
03:15:32,102 --> 03:15:35,102
change -- drop in theft.

5660
03:15:35,105 --> 03:15:37,640
And I have been -- I can

5661
03:15:37,640 --> 03:15:37,974
honestly say I believe this has

5662
03:15:37,974 --> 03:15:39,974
helped.

5663
03:15:42,846 --> 03:15:45,648
We also had our partners at the

5664
03:15:45,648 --> 03:15:46,160
county, they also passed that

5665
03:15:46,160 --> 03:15:46,850
ordinance.

5666
03:15:46,850 --> 03:15:48,952
I think that also helped.

5667
03:15:48,952 --> 03:15:50,687
And we went to the state.

5668
03:15:50,687 --> 03:15:52,522
And did the same thing.

5669
03:15:52,522 --> 03:15:54,924
I think when you work together

5670
03:15:54,924 --> 03:15:57,861
it can do great things.

5671
03:15:57,861 --> 03:16:00,861
We continue to have problems

5672
03:16:01,970 --> 03:16:03,970
with copper theft.

5673
03:16:04,167 --> 03:16:06,804
Last year, it's been over a

5674
03:16:06,804 --> 03:16:08,171
year, since the copper has been

5675
03:16:08,171 --> 03:16:10,875
stripped out of the lights on

5676
03:16:10,875 --> 03:16:12,875
east central.

5677
03:16:13,344 --> 03:16:16,344
They dramatically changed -- it

5678
03:16:17,800 --> 03:16:19,349
has been so dark up there.

5679
03:16:19,349 --> 03:16:22,180
Pnm had to totally go through

5680
03:16:22,180 --> 03:16:22,318
different measures to bring it

5681
03:16:22,318 --> 03:16:23,954
back.

5682
03:16:23,954 --> 03:16:24,254
And we're slowly getting it

5683
03:16:24,254 --> 03:16:26,254
back.

5684
03:16:26,389 --> 03:16:27,925
This can all be avoided if we

5685
03:16:27,925 --> 03:16:29,826
make it a little more tough on

5686
03:16:29,826 --> 03:16:32,262
the people that are selling it.

5687
03:16:32,262 --> 03:16:32,962
Not the retailers that are

5688
03:16:32,962 --> 03:16:34,364
buying it.

5689
03:16:34,364 --> 03:16:36,764
That's not my intent.

5690
03:16:36,766 --> 03:16:37,835
But to make it a little harder

5691
03:16:37,835 --> 03:16:41,435
for the people that should not

5692
03:16:44,207 --> 03:16:45,909
be selling it.

5693
03:16:45,909 --> 03:16:46,308
I'm going to have -- we do have

5694
03:16:46,308 --> 03:16:48,308
amendments.

5695
03:16:50,810 --> 03:16:52,949
I will tell you that we worked

5696
03:16:52,949 --> 03:16:53,750
with the community -- the

5697
03:16:53,750 --> 03:16:55,352
recyclers in the community.

5698
03:16:55,352 --> 03:16:57,352
It was great.

5699
03:16:57,787 --> 03:16:59,856
we brought apd together with us.

5700
03:16:59,856 --> 03:17:01,691
Our council staff together.

5701
03:17:01,691 --> 03:17:03,359
And so that collaboration, I

5702
03:17:03,359 --> 03:17:04,562
really think we have come up

5703
03:17:04,562 --> 03:17:06,863
with a good document.

5704
03:17:06,863 --> 03:17:08,398
We have several amendments.

5705
03:17:08,398 --> 03:17:09,832
Again we want to make sure it's

5706
03:17:09,832 --> 03:17:11,534
tough on the people that

5707
03:17:11,534 --> 03:17:13,503
shouldn't be selling it, and

5708
03:17:13,503 --> 03:17:14,400
okay for the people that are

5709
03:17:14,400 --> 03:17:16,400
selling it.

5710
03:17:18,141 --> 03:17:19,608
I think a lot of these

5711
03:17:19,608 --> 03:17:19,909
amendments will be good for

5712
03:17:19,909 --> 03:17:21,909
that.

5713
03:17:25,383 --> 03:17:28,180
I would like to ask victor, our

5714
03:17:28,180 --> 03:17:31,520
council counsel to go over what

5715
03:17:31,520 --> 03:17:33,520
this bill does.

5716
03:17:33,523 --> 03:17:35,523
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

5717
03:17:35,960 --> 03:17:36,960
this bill does four principle

5718
03:17:36,960 --> 03:17:38,960
things.

5719
03:17:39,229 --> 03:17:42,980
First of all, it amends the

5720
03:17:42,980 --> 03:17:43,534
secondhand catalytic converter

5721
03:17:43,534 --> 03:17:45,802
purchase ordinance to cover

5722
03:17:45,802 --> 03:17:48,202
copper and brass material.

5723
03:17:49,205 --> 03:17:50,440
We to do this because there's

5724
03:17:50,440 --> 03:17:52,409
changes to state law that allow

5725
03:17:52,409 --> 03:17:55,409
for record keeping and reporting

5726
03:17:55,712 --> 03:17:58,112
requirements to include copper.

5727
03:17:58,615 --> 03:18:00,149
Second, like I alluded, this

5728
03:18:00,149 --> 03:18:02,285
updates the record and record

5729
03:18:02,285 --> 03:18:03,319
keeping requirements for those

5730
03:18:03,319 --> 03:18:04,522
types of purchases.

5731
03:18:04,522 --> 03:18:05,989
This allows for the record

5732
03:18:05,989 --> 03:18:08,389
keeping and reporting of

5733
03:18:08,591 --> 03:18:10,591
catalytic converters.

5734
03:18:11,361 --> 03:18:12,495
And record keeping of copper and

5735
03:18:12,495 --> 03:18:14,495
brass material.

5736
03:18:16,131 --> 03:18:17,333
Current state law does not

5737
03:18:17,333 --> 03:18:19,733
require secondhand them to

5738
03:18:19,770 --> 03:18:20,270
report copper and brass

5739
03:18:20,270 --> 03:18:22,600
materials.

5740
03:18:22,600 --> 03:18:23,774
This does not require reporting

5741
03:18:23,774 --> 03:18:25,542
for copper and brass it requires

5742
03:18:25,542 --> 03:18:26,508
record keeping.

5743
03:18:26,508 --> 03:18:28,508
Third, this ordinance

5744
03:18:28,779 --> 03:18:31,614
establishes a holding period for

5745
03:18:31,614 --> 03:18:34,140
both catalytic converters and

5746
03:18:34,451 --> 03:18:36,319
copper and brass material for

5747
03:18:36,319 --> 03:18:38,320
the investigation that needs to

5748
03:18:38,320 --> 03:18:41,320
be conducted for those materials

5749
03:18:42,826 --> 03:18:44,361
by apd or by an investigator as

5750
03:18:44,361 --> 03:18:46,761
authorized by the ordinance.

5751
03:18:46,863 --> 03:18:49,263
Last, this ordinance requires

5752
03:18:49,999 --> 03:18:52,369
that transactions in the current

5753
03:18:52,369 --> 03:18:53,403
form -- requires it's done with

5754
03:18:53,403 --> 03:18:55,403
check not cash.

5755
03:18:56,339 --> 03:18:58,742
That was a specific ask by the

5756
03:18:58,742 --> 03:19:01,444
partners at apd to help in

5757
03:19:01,444 --> 03:19:03,844
investigations to track the

5758
03:19:04,150 --> 03:19:07,615
purchases and the use of those

5759
03:19:08,180 --> 03:19:10,553
funds that are coming from

5760
03:19:10,553 --> 03:19:12,553
illicitly gained catalytic

5761
03:19:13,656 --> 03:19:14,157
converters or copper and brass

5762
03:19:14,157 --> 03:19:15,920
material.

5763
03:19:15,920 --> 03:19:16,590
>>coun. Grout: thank you.

5764
03:19:16,590 --> 03:19:19,590
At this time, MADAM PRESIDENT,

5765
03:19:19,329 --> 03:19:19,762
I'd like to offer some

5766
03:19:19,762 --> 03:19:21,762
amendments.

5767
03:19:23,332 --> 03:19:23,566
We'll start with floor amendment

5768
03:19:23,566 --> 03:19:25,566
a.

5769
03:19:26,836 --> 03:19:30,436
That will be our first one.

5770
03:19:30,574 --> 03:19:33,574
Again, going back, working with

5771
03:19:34,544 --> 03:19:38,144
the vendors, these were -- and

5772
03:19:39,282 --> 03:19:42,118
their lobbyists, they we work

5773
03:19:42,118 --> 03:19:42,952
together to come up with these

5774
03:19:42,952 --> 03:19:44,522
ideas to this.

5775
03:19:44,522 --> 03:19:44,821
I'm not going to read the whole

5776
03:19:44,821 --> 03:19:46,256
thing.

5777
03:19:46,256 --> 03:19:46,724
I'm going to read the

5778
03:19:46,724 --> 03:19:48,724
explanation.

5779
03:19:49,920 --> 03:19:50,527
This first amendment changes the

5780
03:19:50,527 --> 03:19:52,762
holding period for copper and

5781
03:19:52,762 --> 03:19:55,465
brass materials to seven days

5782
03:19:55,465 --> 03:19:57,535
for all sellers aside from a new

5783
03:19:57,535 --> 03:19:58,735
seller classification.

5784
03:19:58,735 --> 03:20:00,570
We have different

5785
03:20:00,570 --> 03:20:02,570
classifications here now.

5786
03:20:02,572 --> 03:20:04,140
Verified commercial sellers, and

5787
03:20:04,140 --> 03:20:04,474
they're verified commercial

5788
03:20:04,474 --> 03:20:06,474
sellers.

5789
03:20:08,478 --> 03:20:11,681
But there are a lot of vendors.

5790
03:20:11,681 --> 03:20:13,983
And plumbers, and construction

5791
03:20:13,983 --> 03:20:14,618
folks, that these recyclers see

5792
03:20:14,618 --> 03:20:16,553
all the time.

5793
03:20:16,553 --> 03:20:18,388
So they know them and they're

5794
03:20:18,388 --> 03:20:20,657
very familiar with them.

5795
03:20:20,657 --> 03:20:22,660
That's how this came about.

5796
03:20:22,660 --> 03:20:24,661
Due to the volume of copper and

5797
03:20:24,661 --> 03:20:27,661
brass materials sold by verified

5798
03:20:27,932 --> 03:20:29,932
commercial sellers, and

5799
03:20:31,835 --> 03:20:34,170
regularity of their sales to

5800
03:20:34,170 --> 03:20:35,906
secondhand material metal

5801
03:20:35,906 --> 03:20:37,540
dealers cannot physically keep

5802
03:20:37,540 --> 03:20:39,944
the volume of copper and brass

5803
03:20:39,944 --> 03:20:41,511
material for seven days.

5804
03:20:41,511 --> 03:20:42,879
Further, the purpose of this

5805
03:20:42,879 --> 03:20:45,879
ordinance is to frustrate sale

5806
03:20:49,219 --> 03:20:51,221
of illicit-sourced copper or

5807
03:20:51,221 --> 03:20:53,890
brass.

5808
03:20:53,890 --> 03:20:56,890
Verified brass sellers are not

5809
03:20:56,327 --> 03:20:58,561
the target of the evils sought

5810
03:20:58,561 --> 03:21:00,362
to be remedied by the ordinance.

5811
03:21:00,362 --> 03:21:03,362
As such a verified commercial

5812
03:21:03,500 --> 03:21:05,500
seller provides additional

5813
03:21:06,636 --> 03:21:07,904
information such as industrial

5814
03:21:07,904 --> 03:21:09,872
specific identification, copper

5815
03:21:09,872 --> 03:21:12,800
and brass materials sold by a

5816
03:21:12,800 --> 03:21:14,277
contractor MAY be sold or

5817
03:21:14,277 --> 03:21:17,877
disposed of in a shorter time

5818
03:21:17,981 --> 03:21:18,682
frame than other purchasers.

5819
03:21:18,682 --> 03:21:19,684
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

5820
03:21:19,684 --> 03:21:22,252
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

5821
03:21:22,252 --> 03:21:24,254
and a second by councilor

5822
03:21:24,254 --> 03:21:25,789
fiebelkorn for floor amendment

5823
03:21:25,789 --> 03:21:27,223
abled a.

5824
03:21:27,223 --> 03:21:28,158
It will become floor amendment

5825
03:21:28,158 --> 03:21:30,158
number one.

5826
03:21:32,429 --> 03:21:34,197
Any discussion on the amendment?

5827
03:21:34,197 --> 03:21:36,197
[Roll call].

5828
03:21:36,434 --> 03:21:38,268
>>coun. Baca: yes.

5829
03:21:38,268 --> 03:21:40,236
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

5830
03:21:40,236 --> 03:21:41,639
>>coun. Champine: yes.

5831
03:21:41,639 --> 03:21:43,639
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

5832
03:21:48,120 --> 03:21:49,813
>>coun. Grout: yes.

5833
03:21:49,813 --> 03:21:51,813
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

5834
03:21:52,850 --> 03:21:53,416
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

5835
03:21:53,416 --> 03:21:55,416
>>coun. Telles: yes.

5836
03:21:55,818 --> 03:21:58,218
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

5837
03:21:58,656 --> 03:22:00,257
>> passes on an 8-1 vote.

5838
03:22:00,257 --> 03:22:02,192
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

5839
03:22:02,192 --> 03:22:02,525
amendment labeled b in your

5840
03:22:02,525 --> 03:22:03,294
packet.

5841
03:22:03,294 --> 03:22:05,895
It will be floor amendment

5842
03:22:05,895 --> 03:22:06,396
number two.

5843
03:22:06,396 --> 03:22:07,297
Councilor grout.

5844
03:22:07,297 --> 03:22:07,664
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

5845
03:22:07,664 --> 03:22:09,664
PRESIDENT.

5846
03:22:10,533 --> 03:22:12,268
Floor amendment number two, this

5847
03:22:12,268 --> 03:22:15,406
is one is payment by check.

5848
03:22:15,406 --> 03:22:15,839
This was specifically asked by

5849
03:22:15,839 --> 03:22:17,839
apd.

5850
03:22:19,142 --> 03:22:20,977
Secondhand metal dealer or

5851
03:22:20,977 --> 03:22:23,790
dealers agent employee or

5852
03:22:23,790 --> 03:22:24,982
representative shall pay for all

5853
03:22:24,982 --> 03:22:27,382
purchases above $50 subject to

5854
03:22:27,418 --> 03:22:28,785
the ordinance only by check.

5855
03:22:28,785 --> 03:22:31,521
No person shall structure divide

5856
03:22:31,521 --> 03:22:32,655
or separate a transaction into

5857
03:22:32,655 --> 03:22:34,891
multiple purchases for the

5858
03:22:34,891 --> 03:22:35,325
purpose of evading this

5859
03:22:35,325 --> 03:22:37,325
requirement.

5860
03:22:37,927 --> 03:22:39,696
And multiple purchases from the

5861
03:22:39,696 --> 03:22:42,465
same seller occurring within the

5862
03:22:42,465 --> 03:22:45,302
same business day shall be

5863
03:22:45,302 --> 03:22:47,702
aggregated the purposes of

5864
03:22:47,871 --> 03:22:49,305
determining whether the $50

5865
03:22:49,305 --> 03:22:50,600
threshold has been met.

5866
03:22:50,600 --> 03:22:51,740
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

5867
03:22:51,740 --> 03:22:52,342
>>coun. Pe}a: motion, and second

5868
03:22:52,342 --> 03:22:53,277
by councilor fiebelkorn, for

5869
03:22:53,277 --> 03:22:55,677
floor amendment number two.

5870
03:22:58,348 --> 03:22:58,949
Any discussion?

5871
03:22:58,949 --> 03:23:00,949
Councilor lewis.

5872
03:23:01,251 --> 03:23:01,785
>>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,

5873
03:23:01,785 --> 03:23:03,870
thank you.

5874
03:23:03,870 --> 03:23:04,521
Is there someone from apd that

5875
03:23:04,521 --> 03:23:08,121
might be able to address some

5876
03:23:10,327 --> 03:23:11,494
questions regarding this?

5877
03:23:11,494 --> 03:23:13,596
>>coun. Pe}a: they're working

5878
03:23:13,596 --> 03:23:15,800
their way to the podium.

5879
03:23:15,800 --> 03:23:17,800
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, commander

5880
03:23:21,771 --> 03:23:23,771
sanchez is here.

5881
03:23:27,744 --> 03:23:30,144
>>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,

5882
03:23:31,515 --> 03:23:33,515
thank you.

5883
03:23:34,752 --> 03:23:37,620
How many -- what we call

5884
03:23:37,620 --> 03:23:39,390
vendors, how many secondhand

5885
03:23:39,390 --> 03:23:39,823
vendors in the city of

5886
03:23:39,823 --> 03:23:41,492
albuquerque?

5887
03:23:41,492 --> 03:23:42,826
>> currently, we have five or

5888
03:23:42,826 --> 03:23:45,226
six in the city.

5889
03:23:45,328 --> 03:23:45,729
The rest is in the county of

5890
03:23:45,729 --> 03:23:47,729
bernalillo.

5891
03:23:48,980 --> 03:23:51,980
>>coun. Lewis: five or six.

5892
03:23:51,735 --> 03:23:53,536
They already go through a

5893
03:23:53,536 --> 03:23:56,536
pretty -- they're required under

5894
03:23:59,709 --> 03:24:00,643
state laws to go through

5895
03:24:00,643 --> 03:24:03,643
extensive -- they have to

5896
03:24:04,948 --> 03:24:07,948
understand and know who their

5897
03:24:08,451 --> 03:24:10,451
purchasing from.

5898
03:24:11,888 --> 03:24:13,423
I guess, tell me about the

5899
03:24:13,423 --> 03:24:16,259
cases, or how many cases you

5900
03:24:16,259 --> 03:24:19,259
have where you discovered the

5901
03:24:19,830 --> 03:24:21,131
purchase of stolen property by

5902
03:24:21,131 --> 03:24:21,898
the vendors?

5903
03:24:21,898 --> 03:24:23,898
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5904
03:24:24,568 --> 03:24:26,703
lewis, as far as specific cases

5905
03:24:26,703 --> 03:24:29,507
within the last year, and going

5906
03:24:29,507 --> 03:24:31,374
back into 2025, a large number

5907
03:24:31,374 --> 03:24:33,208
that we received is a lot of the

5908
03:24:33,208 --> 03:24:34,711
cell phone towers that have been

5909
03:24:34,711 --> 03:24:36,346
hit, which have taken a lot of

5910
03:24:36,346 --> 03:24:38,346
the copper.

5911
03:24:39,215 --> 03:24:40,617
We've also had some memorials

5912
03:24:40,617 --> 03:24:43,170
that have been taken.

5913
03:24:43,220 --> 03:24:44,689
Yes, the state does have some

5914
03:24:44,689 --> 03:24:46,689
stringent enforcement policies

5915
03:24:50,460 --> 03:24:52,262
in place, however, the way this

5916
03:24:52,262 --> 03:24:54,731
amendment makes it is to give

5917
03:24:54,731 --> 03:24:57,000
law enforcement some better

5918
03:24:57,000 --> 03:24:58,368
tracking purposes as far as

5919
03:24:58,368 --> 03:25:01,706
looking back to see who sold it

5920
03:25:01,706 --> 03:25:04,808
to make sure that they're not

5921
03:25:04,808 --> 03:25:06,109
using fictitious drivers license

5922
03:25:06,109 --> 03:25:09,109
to present they're selling this

5923
03:25:10,447 --> 03:25:13,447
metal to the secondhand sellers.

5924
03:25:15,752 --> 03:25:16,553
And also, it gives us kind of a

5925
03:25:16,553 --> 03:25:18,288
deterrent, especially whenever

5926
03:25:18,288 --> 03:25:20,790
you're looking at the check.

5927
03:25:20,790 --> 03:25:23,190
Whenever you're paying, instead

5928
03:25:24,728 --> 03:25:26,463
of cash, you're not getting

5929
03:25:26,463 --> 03:25:27,597
instant gratification for

5930
03:25:27,597 --> 03:25:28,965
individuals stealing from the

5931
03:25:28,965 --> 03:25:31,568
citizens and taking the copper

5932
03:25:31,568 --> 03:25:33,636
and providing larger monetary

5933
03:25:33,636 --> 03:25:35,105
value to the damage that's done

5934
03:25:35,105 --> 03:25:38,750
to get some of this copper.

5935
03:25:38,750 --> 03:25:39,777
As far as when you look at the

5936
03:25:39,777 --> 03:25:41,444
cases, we looked at what would

5937
03:25:41,444 --> 03:25:44,347
be best suited to work with not

5938
03:25:44,347 --> 03:25:44,781
only the citizens but also the

5939
03:25:44,781 --> 03:25:46,781
businesses.

5940
03:25:47,350 --> 03:25:48,852
So that way we can combat the

5941
03:25:48,852 --> 03:25:50,587
crime and make sure we're

5942
03:25:50,587 --> 03:25:52,188
providing a deterrent but also

5943
03:25:52,188 --> 03:25:55,759
being fair to the businesses and

5944
03:25:55,759 --> 03:25:57,161
also the citizens.

5945
03:25:57,161 --> 03:25:58,729
>>coun. Lewis: I know there's

5946
03:25:58,729 --> 03:26:01,129
already a pretty extensive

5947
03:26:01,865 --> 03:26:02,832
amount of deterrence, what

5948
03:26:02,832 --> 03:26:06,432
evidence do you have this is

5949
03:26:07,371 --> 03:26:08,806
being sold to these vendors?

5950
03:26:08,806 --> 03:26:11,206
>> whenever there's a theft,

5951
03:26:12,476 --> 03:26:16,760
whenever it's a large theft, we

5952
03:26:16,212 --> 03:26:17,214
have our leads op

5953
03:26:17,214 --> 03:26:19,490
nline and do

5954
03:26:19,490 --> 03:26:19,382
copper theft or metal theft

5955
03:26:19,382 --> 03:26:21,151
alerts.

5956
03:26:21,151 --> 03:26:21,451
When those come in, we get

5957
03:26:21,451 --> 03:26:23,451
those.

5958
03:26:23,620 --> 03:26:24,487
Building those cases out as

5959
03:26:24,487 --> 03:26:26,322
investigators, some of the

5960
03:26:26,322 --> 03:26:28,458
things these amendments will

5961
03:26:28,458 --> 03:26:30,494
cover will give us more teeth

5962
03:26:30,494 --> 03:26:31,962
and more investigative leads to

5963
03:26:31,962 --> 03:26:34,364
go after these individuals to

5964
03:26:34,364 --> 03:26:37,964
find out who the ring leaders

5965
03:26:38,668 --> 03:26:40,538
are to make sure the bad actors

5966
03:26:40,538 --> 03:26:40,870
are held accountable for the

5967
03:26:40,870 --> 03:26:42,238
actions.

5968
03:26:42,238 --> 03:26:44,750
>>coun. Lewis: so there's five

5969
03:26:44,750 --> 03:26:46,509
vendors in the city and you have

5970
03:26:46,509 --> 03:26:48,311
zero evidence that stolen

5971
03:26:48,311 --> 03:26:48,646
property is being sold to the

5972
03:26:48,646 --> 03:26:49,279
vendors.

5973
03:26:49,279 --> 03:26:50,580
What's your evidence?

5974
03:26:50,580 --> 03:26:52,415
Tell me the evidence you have

5975
03:26:52,415 --> 03:26:54,500
that this property is being sold

5976
03:26:54,500 --> 03:26:54,951
to these five vendors in the

5977
03:26:54,951 --> 03:26:56,853
city of albuquerque?

5978
03:26:56,853 --> 03:26:58,853
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

5979
03:26:59,724 --> 03:27:02,492
lewis, the evidence is whenever

5980
03:27:02,492 --> 03:27:05,261
the victims of these crimes call

5981
03:27:05,261 --> 03:27:08,861
in and whenever we take the

5982
03:27:09,132 --> 03:27:10,668
reports for the metal theft, we

5983
03:27:10,668 --> 03:27:12,836
need ordinances like this to

5984
03:27:12,836 --> 03:27:16,206
help us to prove that those

5985
03:27:16,206 --> 03:27:17,408
individuals did take it to these

5986
03:27:17,408 --> 03:27:19,408
metal sellers.

5987
03:27:19,476 --> 03:27:21,476
These recycling places.

5988
03:27:22,311 --> 03:27:23,447
So that way we can pinpoint this

5989
03:27:23,447 --> 03:27:25,448
individual to being in that

5990
03:27:25,448 --> 03:27:27,617
area, whether it be by video

5991
03:27:27,617 --> 03:27:28,886
camera, surveillance camera, or

5992
03:27:28,886 --> 03:27:30,420
forensic evidence located on

5993
03:27:30,420 --> 03:27:33,990
scene to help build those cases.

5994
03:27:33,990 --> 03:27:37,528
As it stands now, metal theft is

5995
03:27:37,528 --> 03:27:39,429
a big issue within the city.

5996
03:27:39,429 --> 03:27:40,163
Especially when it comes to

5997
03:27:40,163 --> 03:27:41,131
copper theft.

5998
03:27:41,131 --> 03:27:43,367
>>coun. Lewis: sir, I have no

5999
03:27:43,367 --> 03:27:43,933
doubt that metal theft is a big

6000
03:27:43,933 --> 03:27:45,668
issue in the city.

6001
03:27:45,668 --> 03:27:47,504
But I also have no doubt that

6002
03:27:47,504 --> 03:27:50,174
probably a large of that metal

6003
03:27:50,174 --> 03:27:52,475
is being sold outside of our

6004
03:27:52,475 --> 03:27:54,875
city and other states.

6005
03:27:56,981 --> 03:27:59,182
I know that a lot of it goes to

6006
03:27:59,182 --> 03:28:01,151
mexico.

6007
03:28:01,151 --> 03:28:03,353
So, I believe the intentions are

6008
03:28:03,353 --> 03:28:05,353
right.

6009
03:28:06,990 --> 03:28:08,324
But for years and years, I know

6010
03:28:08,324 --> 03:28:10,927
your department, this is one of

6011
03:28:10,927 --> 03:28:12,263
the strategies to try and fight

6012
03:28:12,263 --> 03:28:14,164
crime in the city.

6013
03:28:14,164 --> 03:28:17,764
I do have a fundamental problem

6014
03:28:18,702 --> 03:28:22,302
with efforts like this that put

6015
03:28:23,730 --> 03:28:26,730
such a stringent hardship on

6016
03:28:26,943 --> 03:28:28,945
good businesses that provide a

6017
03:28:28,945 --> 03:28:30,130
service

6018
03:28:30,130 --> 03:28:31,615
service.

6019
03:28:31,615 --> 03:28:34,451
And really not having any kind

6020
03:28:34,451 --> 03:28:37,451
of evidence that shows they've

6021
03:28:37,620 --> 03:28:40,590
ever -- I'm sure it happens.

6022
03:28:40,590 --> 03:28:42,559
But raising to a level of a

6023
03:28:42,559 --> 03:28:44,427
massive problem where we put

6024
03:28:44,427 --> 03:28:48,270
laws in place like this that

6025
03:28:49,650 --> 03:28:52,650
just contained and constrict and

6026
03:28:52,468 --> 03:28:54,700
restrict law-abiding citizens

6027
03:28:54,700 --> 03:28:55,238
that want to do business in the

6028
03:28:55,238 --> 03:28:57,730
city of albuquerque when we have

6029
03:28:57,730 --> 03:28:57,974
no evidence that the problem is

6030
03:28:57,974 --> 03:28:59,476
really centered there.

6031
03:28:59,476 --> 03:29:01,876
The problem is behavior.

6032
03:29:02,312 --> 03:29:04,714
The problem is the thefts going

6033
03:29:04,714 --> 03:29:06,116
on around the city.

6034
03:29:06,116 --> 03:29:09,116
I think in comparison the

6035
03:29:09,953 --> 03:29:12,953
problem to pinpoint our efforts

6036
03:29:13,957 --> 03:29:16,957
are not on these five

6037
03:29:17,560 --> 03:29:19,560
businesses.

6038
03:29:20,497 --> 03:29:21,765
Again, I also -- reading these

6039
03:29:21,765 --> 03:29:24,165
bills, it's my understanding

6040
03:29:26,903 --> 03:29:29,303
these are very dueplicative.

6041
03:29:31,275 --> 03:29:32,942
These are restrictions in laws

6042
03:29:32,942 --> 03:29:35,342
that these secondhand vendors

6043
03:29:37,180 --> 03:29:38,749
are abiding by within our state.

6044
03:29:38,749 --> 03:29:42,184
I think putting more and more

6045
03:29:42,184 --> 03:29:43,319
laws on the books where we don't

6046
03:29:43,319 --> 03:29:46,919
have evidence shows this is the

6047
03:29:56,232 --> 03:29:58,690
heart

6048
03:29:58,690 --> 03:30:00,771
I believe our intentions are

6049
03:30:00,771 --> 03:30:01,905
right, I believe the sponsors's

6050
03:30:01,905 --> 03:30:02,906
intentions are right.

6051
03:30:02,906 --> 03:30:06,420
But I don't believe the focus

6052
03:30:06,420 --> 03:30:07,177
should be on these, again, good

6053
03:30:07,177 --> 03:30:10,177
businesses that provide a great

6054
03:30:13,416 --> 03:30:15,816
service for our city.

6055
03:30:17,822 --> 03:30:18,988
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

6056
03:30:18,988 --> 03:30:20,190
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

6057
03:30:20,190 --> 03:30:22,592
Thank you so much for answering

6058
03:30:22,592 --> 03:30:24,462
those questions.

6059
03:30:24,462 --> 03:30:25,528
I don't see anyone else.

6060
03:30:25,528 --> 03:30:27,528
Any comments?

6061
03:30:27,932 --> 03:30:28,264
You said you're good with no

6062
03:30:28,264 --> 03:30:30,264
closing.

6063
03:30:31,350 --> 03:30:31,369
>>coun. Grout: I urge your

6064
03:30:31,369 --> 03:30:32,902
support.

6065
03:30:32,902 --> 03:30:34,902
[Roll call].

6066
03:30:35,606 --> 03:30:37,606
>>coun. Baca: yes.

6067
03:30:37,608 --> 03:30:39,309
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

6068
03:30:39,309 --> 03:30:41,309
>>coun. Champine: yes.

6069
03:30:41,878 --> 03:30:43,713
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

6070
03:30:43,713 --> 03:30:45,713
>>coun. Grout: yes.

6071
03:30:45,850 --> 03:30:47,850
>>coun. Lewis: no.

6072
03:30:48,118 --> 03:30:48,686
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

6073
03:30:48,686 --> 03:30:50,686
>>coun. Telles: yes.

6074
03:30:51,388 --> 03:30:53,788
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

6075
03:30:54,325 --> 03:30:55,792
>> passes on a 7-2 vote.

6076
03:30:55,792 --> 03:30:57,260
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

6077
03:30:57,260 --> 03:30:58,228
amendment labeled c.

6078
03:30:58,228 --> 03:30:58,928
It will become floor amendment

6079
03:30:58,928 --> 03:30:59,629
number three.

6080
03:30:59,629 --> 03:31:01,465
Councilor grout.

6081
03:31:01,465 --> 03:31:01,831
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

6082
03:31:01,831 --> 03:31:03,831
PRESIDENT.

6083
03:31:04,901 --> 03:31:08,380
This amendment just adds in this

6084
03:31:08,380 --> 03:31:10,438
ordinance's record keeping and

6085
03:31:10,440 --> 03:31:12,840
requirements shall be construed

6086
03:31:12,842 --> 03:31:14,100
and no more strangeant than the

6087
03:31:14,100 --> 03:31:15,145
state's requirements.

6088
03:31:15,145 --> 03:31:16,179
I move do pass.

6089
03:31:16,179 --> 03:31:17,380
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

6090
03:31:17,380 --> 03:31:17,747
and a second by vice PRESIDENT

6091
03:31:17,747 --> 03:31:19,582
Champine.

6092
03:31:19,582 --> 03:31:22,786
>>coun. Grout: I would like to

6093
03:31:22,786 --> 03:31:23,860
just mention we went on field

6094
03:31:23,860 --> 03:31:25,860
trips.

6095
03:31:27,224 --> 03:31:27,658
We went to one of the recycling

6096
03:31:27,658 --> 03:31:29,225
vendor.

6097
03:31:29,225 --> 03:31:29,559
And they walked us through the

6098
03:31:29,559 --> 03:31:31,494
process.

6099
03:31:31,494 --> 03:31:35,465
they also told us that there are

6100
03:31:35,465 --> 03:31:37,333
times when people show up and

6101
03:31:37,333 --> 03:31:40,333
they're afraid that they didn't

6102
03:31:40,404 --> 03:31:43,306
come by that scrap honestly.

6103
03:31:43,306 --> 03:31:46,306
So they will call in.

6104
03:31:47,644 --> 03:31:49,146
And also, those bad actors learn

6105
03:31:49,146 --> 03:31:51,281
that they won't be accepted

6106
03:31:51,281 --> 03:31:51,582
there so they go to some other

6107
03:31:51,582 --> 03:31:53,283
ones.

6108
03:31:53,283 --> 03:31:54,851
There's a couple just right down

6109
03:31:54,851 --> 03:31:56,820
the road from 2nd street.

6110
03:31:56,820 --> 03:31:57,153
I think it might be in the

6111
03:31:57,153 --> 03:31:59,153
county.

6112
03:32:00,490 --> 03:32:01,958
I will say the county -- the

6113
03:32:01,958 --> 03:32:04,358
county commissioner is very

6114
03:32:05,228 --> 03:32:05,829
excited about bringing this to

6115
03:32:05,829 --> 03:32:06,463
bernalillo county pause

6116
03:32:06,463 --> 03:32:07,230
because we

6117
03:32:07,230 --> 03:32:09,299
want to make sure all of the

6118
03:32:09,299 --> 03:32:10,867
surrounding areas -- I do agree,

6119
03:32:10,867 --> 03:32:12,837
sometimes they go down south.

6120
03:32:12,837 --> 03:32:14,237
But we have to capture those

6121
03:32:14,237 --> 03:32:16,237
ones around here.

6122
03:32:17,108 --> 03:32:18,908
We did work with the vendors.

6123
03:32:18,908 --> 03:32:21,908
I'll go back to that.

6124
03:32:24,800 --> 03:32:28,280
They told us that these are best

6125
03:32:28,284 --> 03:32:29,652
practices.

6126
03:32:29,652 --> 03:32:30,488
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

6127
03:32:30,488 --> 03:32:32,488
and a second.

6128
03:32:34,357 --> 03:32:36,193
[Roll call].

6129
03:32:36,193 --> 03:32:37,895
>>coun. Baca: yes.

6130
03:32:37,895 --> 03:32:39,763
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

6131
03:32:39,763 --> 03:32:41,763
>>coun. Champine: yes.

6132
03:32:42,866 --> 03:32:44,866
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

6133
03:32:44,868 --> 03:32:46,868
>>coun. Grout: yes.

6134
03:32:47,303 --> 03:32:49,500
>>coun. Lewis: no.

6135
03:32:49,500 --> 03:32:50,940
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

6136
03:32:50,940 --> 03:32:51,709
>>coun. Telles: yes.

6137
03:32:51,709 --> 03:32:54,109
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

6138
03:32:54,545 --> 03:32:55,845
>> passes on a 7-2 vote.

6139
03:32:55,845 --> 03:32:58,214
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

6140
03:32:58,214 --> 03:32:58,548
amendment labeled d in your

6141
03:32:58,548 --> 03:33:00,383
packet.

6142
03:33:00,383 --> 03:33:01,618
It will become floor amendment

6143
03:33:01,618 --> 03:33:02,118
number four.

6144
03:33:02,118 --> 03:33:03,787
Councilor grout.

6145
03:33:03,787 --> 03:33:05,221
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

6146
03:33:05,221 --> 03:33:06,490
PRESIDENT.

6147
03:33:06,490 --> 03:33:07,524
Floor amendment four.

6148
03:33:07,524 --> 03:33:10,294
Again, not going to read through

6149
03:33:10,294 --> 03:33:12,294
the whole thing.

6150
03:33:12,930 --> 03:33:15,650
It gives an alternative option

6151
03:33:15,650 --> 03:33:17,167
for secondhand metal dealers to

6152
03:33:17,167 --> 03:33:19,469
preserve a record of a catalytic

6153
03:33:19,469 --> 03:33:20,737
converter or copper or brass

6154
03:33:20,737 --> 03:33:22,406
material transaction via

6155
03:33:22,406 --> 03:33:24,406
continuous video recording.

6156
03:33:28,411 --> 03:33:30,947
Again, not wanting to make it so

6157
03:33:30,947 --> 03:33:33,947
burdensome on it the vendors.

6158
03:33:34,484 --> 03:33:35,685
The vendor we visited with, they

6159
03:33:35,685 --> 03:33:37,687
actually have equipment and

6160
03:33:37,687 --> 03:33:38,855
they're able to record when the

6161
03:33:38,855 --> 03:33:40,855
vehicle drives up.

6162
03:33:42,193 --> 03:33:43,761
And record that license plate.

6163
03:33:43,761 --> 03:33:44,394
They're going to capture the

6164
03:33:44,394 --> 03:33:46,394
person's face.

6165
03:33:47,565 --> 03:33:48,731
And there's a process by how

6166
03:33:48,731 --> 03:33:50,731
they go.

6167
03:33:50,734 --> 03:33:52,736
And there are some small

6168
03:33:52,736 --> 03:33:54,704
businesses that won't have the

6169
03:33:54,704 --> 03:33:55,500
means to buy the fancy equipment

6170
03:33:55,500 --> 03:33:57,500
yet.

6171
03:33:57,108 --> 03:34:01,450
They will have to do it the

6172
03:34:01,450 --> 03:34:01,746
old-fashioned way.

6173
03:34:01,746 --> 03:34:02,779
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

6174
03:34:02,779 --> 03:34:03,847
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

6175
03:34:03,847 --> 03:34:04,981
and a second by councilor

6176
03:34:04,981 --> 03:34:05,448
fiebelkorn, for floor amendment

6177
03:34:05,448 --> 03:34:07,448
number four.

6178
03:34:08,840 --> 03:34:08,486
Any questions from the

6179
03:34:08,486 --> 03:34:09,190
councilors?

6180
03:34:09,190 --> 03:34:10,787
Councilor rogers.

6181
03:34:10,787 --> 03:34:11,153
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

6182
03:34:11,153 --> 03:34:13,153
PRESIDENT.

6183
03:34:13,791 --> 03:34:15,493
I just want to ask the sponsor,

6184
03:34:15,493 --> 03:34:18,328
given all the conversation we

6185
03:34:18,328 --> 03:34:21,328
had about flock cameras during

6186
03:34:24,702 --> 03:34:26,200
public comment, this is it MAY

6187
03:34:26,200 --> 03:34:27,570
create, it doesn't require them.

6188
03:34:27,570 --> 03:34:30,441
If they do they have to keep

6189
03:34:30,441 --> 03:34:30,740
this for two months as outlined

6190
03:34:30,740 --> 03:34:32,740
here?

6191
03:34:33,543 --> 03:34:35,712
>>coun. Grout: I believe so.

6192
03:34:35,712 --> 03:34:36,345
>> councilor pe}a, councilor

6193
03:34:36,345 --> 03:34:38,345
rogers, that's correct.

6194
03:34:38,816 --> 03:34:42,416
The reason being is the current

6195
03:34:42,919 --> 03:34:43,254
state law is a permissive

6196
03:34:43,254 --> 03:34:45,254
scheme.

6197
03:34:46,690 --> 03:34:49,125
It states that a seller MAY take

6198
03:34:49,125 --> 03:34:52,125
a digital photograph -- I'm

6199
03:34:52,328 --> 03:34:53,763
sorry -- a secondhand metal

6200
03:34:53,763 --> 03:34:54,731
dealer MAY take a photograph of

6201
03:34:54,731 --> 03:34:56,731
a seller.

6202
03:34:56,866 --> 03:34:58,302
This provides an alternative to

6203
03:34:58,302 --> 03:35:00,370
serve as a best practices

6204
03:35:00,370 --> 03:35:02,672
approach based on what we've

6205
03:35:02,672 --> 03:35:04,841
seen with the industry to get a

6206
03:35:04,841 --> 03:35:06,609
sense of an alternative version

6207
03:35:06,609 --> 03:35:07,844
to make sure they can correctly

6208
03:35:07,844 --> 03:35:09,814
have alternative ways of

6209
03:35:09,814 --> 03:35:11,814
documenting the process.

6210
03:35:12,248 --> 03:35:14,518
This is sort of a section of

6211
03:35:14,518 --> 03:35:17,518
this bill is an aspirational

6212
03:35:18,557 --> 03:35:21,557
best practices kind of structure

6213
03:35:22,158 --> 03:35:25,295
so when there's a record being

6214
03:35:25,295 --> 03:35:27,597
taken, the kind we sought during

6215
03:35:27,597 --> 03:35:30,660
our field trip, so to speak,

6216
03:35:30,660 --> 03:35:32,102
that really left an imprint on

6217
03:35:32,102 --> 03:35:34,137
how these industries should be

6218
03:35:34,137 --> 03:35:35,840
approaching records retention

6219
03:35:35,840 --> 03:35:37,141
that best assist in further

6220
03:35:37,141 --> 03:35:37,941
investigation should they arise.

6221
03:35:37,941 --> 03:35:38,609
>>coun. Rogers: just a follow up

6222
03:35:38,609 --> 03:35:40,609
to that.

6223
03:35:41,245 --> 03:35:42,812
Just like the city of

6224
03:35:42,812 --> 03:35:44,646
albuquerque must label that we

6225
03:35:44,646 --> 03:35:47,460
have automatic speed cameras,

6226
03:35:47,451 --> 03:35:49,887
for example, so folks know.

6227
03:35:49,887 --> 03:35:52,887
Are businesses required to say

6228
03:35:53,900 --> 03:35:53,523
we are -- you're under

6229
03:35:53,523 --> 03:35:54,657
surveillance?

6230
03:35:54,657 --> 03:35:57,561
Is there any requirements in

6231
03:35:57,561 --> 03:35:58,928
this that says we have to

6232
03:35:58,928 --> 03:36:00,263
actively let people know that's

6233
03:36:00,263 --> 03:36:03,263
what's happening if they choose

6234
03:36:03,967 --> 03:36:05,702
to patron that business?

6235
03:36:05,702 --> 03:36:07,702
>> councilor rogers, this

6236
03:36:07,705 --> 03:36:09,506
wouldn't require that those --

6237
03:36:09,506 --> 03:36:10,941
there will be a notification

6238
03:36:10,941 --> 03:36:11,609
that this kind of notification

6239
03:36:11,609 --> 03:36:13,609
would be there.

6240
03:36:15,479 --> 03:36:17,481
But the best practices we've

6241
03:36:17,481 --> 03:36:19,783
seen from the metal center we

6242
03:36:19,783 --> 03:36:21,751
went to make it very obvious.

6243
03:36:21,751 --> 03:36:24,210
They indicate your picture will

6244
03:36:24,210 --> 03:36:25,522
be taken and your id will be

6245
03:36:25,522 --> 03:36:27,570
copied and information will be

6246
03:36:27,570 --> 03:36:28,292
taken down about the vehicle

6247
03:36:28,292 --> 03:36:29,593
that's going to be removed.

6248
03:36:29,593 --> 03:36:31,429
When the material is being

6249
03:36:31,429 --> 03:36:32,562
weighed, it won't be moved until

6250
03:36:32,562 --> 03:36:35,298
documentation has been made of

6251
03:36:35,298 --> 03:36:38,898
that material in terms of video

6252
03:36:39,270 --> 03:36:42,272
from above or from the side.

6253
03:36:42,272 --> 03:36:45,476
It is -- it's not only obvious,

6254
03:36:45,476 --> 03:36:49,760
it's clear that the material and

6255
03:36:49,512 --> 03:36:52,512
that the record that's being

6256
03:36:53,249 --> 03:36:54,185
kept is evident.

6257
03:36:54,185 --> 03:36:55,953
>>coun. Rogers: we saw that was

6258
03:36:55,953 --> 03:36:57,888
a best practice but didn't make

6259
03:36:57,888 --> 03:36:59,490
it a requirement?

6260
03:36:59,490 --> 03:37:00,223
>> that's correct.

6261
03:37:00,223 --> 03:37:02,623
>>coun. Rogers: would the

6262
03:37:03,426 --> 03:37:04,728
sponsor be willing to have a

6263
03:37:04,728 --> 03:37:06,196
friendly amendment that the

6264
03:37:06,196 --> 03:37:07,664
business owner needs to have

6265
03:37:07,664 --> 03:37:10,664
something displayed to meet the

6266
03:37:11,501 --> 03:37:12,802
best practices of what you saw?

6267
03:37:12,802 --> 03:37:16,673
If they're going to do this they

6268
03:37:16,673 --> 03:37:17,575
should advertise that.

6269
03:37:17,575 --> 03:37:18,842
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

6270
03:37:18,842 --> 03:37:20,844
rogers, I think an amendment

6271
03:37:20,844 --> 03:37:24,114
that would be proposed and voted

6272
03:37:24,114 --> 03:37:24,547
on would be an promote

6273
03:37:24,547 --> 03:37:26,547
circumstance.

6274
03:37:26,784 --> 03:37:28,510
For council, we have a standing

6275
03:37:28,510 --> 03:37:30,510
resistance to friendly

6276
03:37:30,287 --> 03:37:32,556
amendments as procedural point.

6277
03:37:32,556 --> 03:37:33,890
As to an amendment, that could

6278
03:37:33,890 --> 03:37:36,192
be something that could be

6279
03:37:36,192 --> 03:37:38,362
discussed along the councilors.

6280
03:37:38,362 --> 03:37:40,131
>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

6281
03:37:40,131 --> 03:37:40,463
I appreciate what our staff

6282
03:37:40,463 --> 03:37:42,463
prefers.

6283
03:37:42,932 --> 03:37:46,102
My question is for the sponsor,

6284
03:37:46,102 --> 03:37:46,904
if she would be open.

6285
03:37:46,904 --> 03:37:48,205
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers,

6286
03:37:48,205 --> 03:37:51,708
I think because there's no such

6287
03:37:51,708 --> 03:37:53,710
things a friendly amendment, I

6288
03:37:53,710 --> 03:37:55,110
think what you would have to do

6289
03:37:55,110 --> 03:37:55,813
is propose it as an amendment to

6290
03:37:55,813 --> 03:37:56,614
the amendment.

6291
03:37:56,614 --> 03:37:56,980
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

6292
03:37:56,980 --> 03:37:58,882
PRESIDENT.

6293
03:37:58,882 --> 03:38:00,350
When did that change?

6294
03:38:00,350 --> 03:38:03,200
I've been here for three years

6295
03:38:03,200 --> 03:38:03,420
and did a bunch of friendly

6296
03:38:03,420 --> 03:38:04,187
amendments.

6297
03:38:04,187 --> 03:38:06,490
>>coun. Pe}a: there's no such

6298
03:38:06,490 --> 03:38:07,691
thing as a friendly amendment.

6299
03:38:07,691 --> 03:38:08,559
>>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,

6300
03:38:08,559 --> 03:38:10,559
since when?

6301
03:38:13,663 --> 03:38:15,199
>>coun. Pe}a: in robert's rules.

6302
03:38:15,199 --> 03:38:18,199
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

6303
03:38:22,506 --> 03:38:24,400
PRESIDENT, I'd love to see that.

6304
03:38:24,400 --> 03:38:26,242
Oh, so I call it the amendment

6305
03:38:26,242 --> 03:38:26,609
to the amendment, not friendly

6306
03:38:26,609 --> 03:38:28,609
amendment.

6307
03:38:28,878 --> 03:38:30,747
Thank you for helping me learn.

6308
03:38:30,747 --> 03:38:31,115
Three years in, I'm still

6309
03:38:31,115 --> 03:38:32,820
learning.

6310
03:38:32,820 --> 03:38:34,785
I'd like to make an amendment to

6311
03:38:34,785 --> 03:38:37,210
the amendment, to include

6312
03:38:37,210 --> 03:38:38,322
language there has to be some

6313
03:38:38,322 --> 03:38:39,423
type of notification to the

6314
03:38:39,423 --> 03:38:39,724
public that this is taking

6315
03:38:39,724 --> 03:38:40,857
place.

6316
03:38:40,857 --> 03:38:44,427
Similar to what you saw in the

6317
03:38:44,427 --> 03:38:45,427
best practices that you visited.

6318
03:38:45,427 --> 03:38:47,970
>>coun. Pe}a: that was in the

6319
03:38:47,970 --> 03:38:49,497
form of a motion?

6320
03:38:49,834 --> 03:38:52,234
Is there a second?

6321
03:38:54,237 --> 03:38:56,237
I'll second it.

6322
03:38:56,774 --> 03:38:57,140
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

6323
03:38:57,140 --> 03:38:57,974
PRESIDENT.

6324
03:38:57,974 --> 03:39:01,574
>>coun. Pe}a: any discussion on

6325
03:39:02,245 --> 03:39:04,214
the amendment to the amendment?

6326
03:39:04,214 --> 03:39:06,614
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, can you

6327
03:39:07,170 --> 03:39:07,585
clarify what your secondary

6328
03:39:07,585 --> 03:39:08,985
amendment is?

6329
03:39:08,985 --> 03:39:11,985
>>coun. Rogers: what I would

6330
03:39:13,991 --> 03:39:15,250
like to add is if businesses

6331
03:39:15,250 --> 03:39:16,559
choose, MAY, they're not

6332
03:39:16,559 --> 03:39:20,159
required to, if they choose to

6333
03:39:20,998 --> 03:39:22,499
have this type of level of

6334
03:39:22,499 --> 03:39:24,499
surveillance, they advertise

6335
03:39:24,535 --> 03:39:26,200
that in some kind of signage.

6336
03:39:26,200 --> 03:39:28,204
Whatever the best practice they

6337
03:39:28,204 --> 03:39:28,505
saw when they went on the field

6338
03:39:28,505 --> 03:39:29,773
trip.

6339
03:39:29,773 --> 03:39:31,875
I don't know what that is

6340
03:39:31,875 --> 03:39:34,477
because I didn't get to go.

6341
03:39:34,477 --> 03:39:35,645
I'll maybe need to work with the

6342
03:39:35,645 --> 03:39:36,279
sponsor to come up with the

6343
03:39:36,279 --> 03:39:38,214
correct language.

6344
03:39:38,214 --> 03:39:41,719
I see our team doing that.

6345
03:39:41,719 --> 03:39:42,852
>>coun. Pe}a: they're working on

6346
03:39:42,852 --> 03:39:43,720
drafting that.

6347
03:39:43,720 --> 03:39:45,255
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

6348
03:39:45,255 --> 03:39:46,856
I have a question.

6349
03:39:46,856 --> 03:39:47,224
if I'm understanding it

6350
03:39:47,224 --> 03:39:49,224
correctly.

6351
03:39:49,694 --> 03:39:50,600
This amendment is adding in a

6352
03:39:50,600 --> 03:39:52,600
section.

6353
03:39:53,263 --> 03:39:55,832
So the buyer would have to

6354
03:39:55,832 --> 03:39:58,232
either take photographs of

6355
03:39:58,535 --> 03:40:01,400
everything listed in this bill,

6356
03:40:01,400 --> 03:40:04,475
or they MAY choose to do a video

6357
03:40:04,475 --> 03:40:05,141
of all of these things.

6358
03:40:05,141 --> 03:40:06,142
Is that correct?

6359
03:40:06,142 --> 03:40:07,510
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

6360
03:40:07,510 --> 03:40:09,510
bassan, that's correct.

6361
03:40:12,716 --> 03:40:13,351
>>coun. Bassan: thank you.

6362
03:40:13,351 --> 03:40:13,750
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor

6363
03:40:13,750 --> 03:40:14,517
fiebelkorn.

6364
03:40:14,517 --> 03:40:14,984
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

6365
03:40:14,984 --> 03:40:16,984
MADAM PRESIDENT.

6366
03:40:17,855 --> 03:40:18,222
I guess I just have a bigger

6367
03:40:18,222 --> 03:40:19,989
question.

6368
03:40:19,989 --> 03:40:22,525
I'm not sure that you're

6369
03:40:22,525 --> 03:40:23,126
entitled to privacy anywhere in

6370
03:40:23,126 --> 03:40:25,126
public anymore.

6371
03:40:25,128 --> 03:40:27,630
I go to a lot of stores and all

6372
03:40:27,630 --> 03:40:30,300
the stores have surveillance.

6373
03:40:30,101 --> 03:40:31,201
I don't see any signage in my

6374
03:40:31,201 --> 03:40:33,636
neighborhood store when I go in

6375
03:40:33,636 --> 03:40:34,605
there that says you're under

6376
03:40:34,605 --> 03:40:36,873
surveillance, but I am.

6377
03:40:36,873 --> 03:40:38,475
I want to make sure that we're

6378
03:40:38,475 --> 03:40:39,909
not just singling out these

6379
03:40:39,909 --> 03:40:40,878
particular businesses with that

6380
03:40:40,878 --> 03:40:42,450
kind of requirement.

6381
03:40:42,450 --> 03:40:44,800
I don't know if anybody can

6382
03:40:44,800 --> 03:40:47,800
answer that, but it's my

6383
03:40:47,986 --> 03:40:49,586
understanding that in public you

6384
03:40:49,586 --> 03:40:50,860
don't have to -- I agree with

6385
03:40:50,860 --> 03:40:50,954
the councilor.

6386
03:40:50,954 --> 03:40:52,954
You should.

6387
03:40:53,690 --> 03:40:56,920
But I don't think that is the

6388
03:40:56,920 --> 03:40:56,394
generally agreed upon way this

6389
03:40:56,394 --> 03:40:57,695
work.

6390
03:40:57,695 --> 03:40:59,662
I just want to make sure we're

6391
03:40:59,662 --> 03:41:00,931
not making these five businesses

6392
03:41:00,931 --> 03:41:01,998
do something that everybody else

6393
03:41:01,998 --> 03:41:02,933
isn't doing.

6394
03:41:02,933 --> 03:41:03,300
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

6395
03:41:03,300 --> 03:41:04,768
PRESIDENT.

6396
03:41:04,768 --> 03:41:07,337
I think that's a good point.

6397
03:41:07,337 --> 03:41:10,440
That's why I love the debate.

6398
03:41:10,440 --> 03:41:12,475
I think most of the places i

6399
03:41:12,475 --> 03:41:15,879
patron will have a sign that

6400
03:41:15,879 --> 03:41:16,746
says you're under surveillance.

6401
03:41:16,746 --> 03:41:18,746
It's not mandatory.

6402
03:41:19,749 --> 03:41:21,217
Even at the airport, when you

6403
03:41:21,217 --> 03:41:23,860
have to put your face to fly.

6404
03:41:23,860 --> 03:41:26,122
It says you have the option not

6405
03:41:26,122 --> 03:41:26,456
to be photographed, even at our

6406
03:41:26,456 --> 03:41:28,580
airport.

6407
03:41:28,580 --> 03:41:29,225
I'm willing to -- I don't want

6408
03:41:29,225 --> 03:41:31,625
us to do that.

6409
03:41:32,280 --> 03:41:34,764
I don't want us to single out --

6410
03:41:34,764 --> 03:41:35,899
to councilor lewis's point, five

6411
03:41:35,899 --> 03:41:37,300
businesses if we don't make that

6412
03:41:37,300 --> 03:41:38,502
a rule across the board.

6413
03:41:38,502 --> 03:41:39,360
I think that is the right thing

6414
03:41:39,360 --> 03:41:41,360
to do.

6415
03:41:42,339 --> 03:41:44,739
I'll withdraw my not-friendly

6416
03:41:46,209 --> 03:41:47,812
amendment to the amendment.

6417
03:41:47,812 --> 03:41:48,212
>>coun. Pe}a: the unfriendly

6418
03:41:48,212 --> 03:41:49,447
amendment.

6419
03:41:49,447 --> 03:41:51,948
I just want to say that I

6420
03:41:51,948 --> 03:41:53,283
supported the amendment.

6421
03:41:53,283 --> 03:41:55,151
I think that somebody is going

6422
03:41:55,151 --> 03:41:55,819
to go in there, I think they

6423
03:41:55,819 --> 03:41:57,819
should know.

6424
03:41:58,688 --> 03:42:00,290
It falls in the line of

6425
03:42:00,290 --> 03:42:01,559
entrapment if you go into a

6426
03:42:01,559 --> 03:42:03,126
place to sell copper and you're

6427
03:42:03,126 --> 03:42:03,927
being recorded and you don't

6428
03:42:03,927 --> 03:42:04,527
realize that.

6429
03:42:04,527 --> 03:42:05,995
That's that.

6430
03:42:05,995 --> 03:42:08,231
>> MADAM Chair, since that

6431
03:42:08,231 --> 03:42:09,432
amendment was seconded -- it

6432
03:42:09,432 --> 03:42:11,832
belongs to the body.

6433
03:42:14,237 --> 03:42:16,339
You have to take a vote.

6434
03:42:16,339 --> 03:42:18,308
>>coun. Pe}a: I thought she can

6435
03:42:18,308 --> 03:42:18,608
withdraw it?

6436
03:42:18,608 --> 03:42:20,110
Okay.

6437
03:42:20,110 --> 03:42:22,110
[Roll combraubtial].

6438
03:42:23,980 --> 03:42:25,980
[Roll call].

6439
03:42:27,117 --> 03:42:29,117
>>coun. Baca: no.

6440
03:42:30,587 --> 03:42:32,587
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

6441
03:42:34,291 --> 03:42:36,291
>>coun. Champine: no.

6442
03:42:37,294 --> 03:42:39,294
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

6443
03:42:43,000 --> 03:42:45,000
>>coun. Grout: no.

6444
03:42:45,168 --> 03:42:47,700
-- withdrawal, yes.

6445
03:42:47,700 --> 03:42:48,304
>> you're changing your vote to

6446
03:42:48,304 --> 03:42:49,439
a yes?

6447
03:42:49,439 --> 03:42:51,439
>>coun. Grout: yes.

6448
03:42:51,841 --> 03:42:53,841
[Roll call].

6449
03:42:54,878 --> 03:42:56,878
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

6450
03:42:57,113 --> 03:42:57,681
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

6451
03:42:57,681 --> 03:42:59,681
>>coun. Telles: yes.

6452
03:43:00,684 --> 03:43:03,840
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

6453
03:43:03,186 --> 03:43:06,123
>> passes on a 6-3 vote.

6454
03:43:06,123 --> 03:43:10,323
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now back on

6455
03:43:10,560 --> 03:43:12,595
the amendment as it was not

6456
03:43:12,595 --> 03:43:14,300
amended.

6457
03:43:14,300 --> 03:43:16,599
I don't think there was any

6458
03:43:16,599 --> 03:43:17,670
additional discussions.

6459
03:43:17,670 --> 03:43:18,735
Councilor grout.

6460
03:43:18,735 --> 03:43:19,402
>>coun. Grout: I urge your

6461
03:43:19,402 --> 03:43:21,402
support.

6462
03:43:23,600 --> 03:43:25,600
[Roll call].

6463
03:43:25,575 --> 03:43:27,410
>>coun. Baca: yes.

6464
03:43:27,410 --> 03:43:29,410
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

6465
03:43:29,714 --> 03:43:31,714
>>coun. Champine: yes.

6466
03:43:32,116 --> 03:43:34,116
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

6467
03:43:35,186 --> 03:43:37,186
>>coun. Grout: yes.

6468
03:43:37,454 --> 03:43:39,454
>>coun. Lewis: no.

6469
03:43:39,789 --> 03:43:41,591
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

6470
03:43:41,591 --> 03:43:42,225
>>coun. Telles: yes.

6471
03:43:42,225 --> 03:43:44,625
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

6472
03:43:45,495 --> 03:43:46,163
>> passes on a 7-2 vote.

6473
03:43:46,163 --> 03:43:48,640
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

6474
03:43:48,640 --> 03:43:49,966
We're now on floor amendment

6475
03:43:49,966 --> 03:43:51,340
labeled e in your packet will be

6476
03:43:51,340 --> 03:43:51,535
floor amendment number five.

6477
03:43:51,535 --> 03:43:52,602
Councilor grout.

6478
03:43:52,602 --> 03:43:52,970
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

6479
03:43:52,970 --> 03:43:54,970
PRESIDENT.

6480
03:43:56,272 --> 03:43:58,308
This one is just an amendment to

6481
03:43:58,308 --> 03:44:00,708
correct multiple type graphical

6482
03:44:01,478 --> 03:44:05,780
errors in the bill by incerting

6483
03:44:06,950 --> 03:44:08,219
the term term of art

6484
03:44:08,219 --> 03:44:09,850
catalytic

6485
03:44:09,850 --> 03:44:10,186
converter.

6486
03:44:10,186 --> 03:44:11,870
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

6487
03:44:11,870 --> 03:44:12,589
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

6488
03:44:12,589 --> 03:44:12,989
and a second by councilor

6489
03:44:12,989 --> 03:44:14,989
fiebelkorn.

6490
03:44:15,992 --> 03:44:18,392
Any discussion from councilors?

6491
03:44:19,162 --> 03:44:21,162
[Roll call].

6492
03:44:21,331 --> 03:44:23,199
>>coun. Baca: yes.

6493
03:44:23,199 --> 03:44:24,734
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

6494
03:44:24,734 --> 03:44:26,734
>>coun. Champine: yes.

6495
03:44:26,870 --> 03:44:28,870
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

6496
03:44:29,873 --> 03:44:31,873
>>coun. Grout: yes.

6497
03:44:32,842 --> 03:44:34,842
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

6498
03:44:34,979 --> 03:44:36,480
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

6499
03:44:36,480 --> 03:44:37,113
>>coun. Telles: yes.

6500
03:44:37,113 --> 03:44:38,982
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

6501
03:44:38,982 --> 03:44:40,383
>> passes unanimously.

6502
03:44:40,383 --> 03:44:43,860
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on the

6503
03:44:43,860 --> 03:44:44,120
final amendment that I see,

6504
03:44:44,120 --> 03:44:45,755
anyway.

6505
03:44:45,755 --> 03:44:46,122
This is floor amendment labeled

6506
03:44:46,122 --> 03:44:46,891
f.

6507
03:44:46,891 --> 03:44:47,824
It will be floor amendment

6508
03:44:47,824 --> 03:44:49,460
number six.

6509
03:44:49,460 --> 03:44:50,610
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

6510
03:44:50,610 --> 03:44:51,928
PRESIDENT.

6511
03:44:51,928 --> 03:44:53,697
This one that councilor bassan

6512
03:44:53,697 --> 03:44:57,297
was able to notify us of.

6513
03:44:58,168 --> 03:44:59,704
We just need to change one word

6514
03:44:59,704 --> 03:45:01,404
from state to city.

6515
03:45:01,404 --> 03:45:03,440
This amendment corrects an error

6516
03:45:03,440 --> 03:45:04,874
in the bill by correcting

6517
03:45:04,874 --> 03:45:06,874
reflecting the jurisdictional

6518
03:45:07,377 --> 03:45:10,114
bounds of this ordinance only to

6519
03:45:10,114 --> 03:45:11,247
the city not the entire state.

6520
03:45:11,247 --> 03:45:12,182
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

6521
03:45:12,182 --> 03:45:14,851
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

6522
03:45:14,851 --> 03:45:15,251
and a second by councilor

6523
03:45:15,251 --> 03:45:16,453
fiebelkorn.

6524
03:45:16,453 --> 03:45:18,121
For technical fix.

6525
03:45:18,121 --> 03:45:19,550
Any councilors?

6526
03:45:19,550 --> 03:45:19,389
>>coun. Grout: urge your

6527
03:45:19,389 --> 03:45:21,389
support.

6528
03:45:21,658 --> 03:45:23,626
[Roll call].

6529
03:45:23,626 --> 03:45:25,296
>>coun. Baca: yes.

6530
03:45:25,296 --> 03:45:27,300
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

6531
03:45:27,300 --> 03:45:29,300
>>coun. Champine: yes.

6532
03:45:29,990 --> 03:45:30,834
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

6533
03:45:30,834 --> 03:45:32,702
>>coun. Grout: yes.

6534
03:45:32,702 --> 03:45:34,702
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

6535
03:45:35,940 --> 03:45:37,940
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

6536
03:45:38,809 --> 03:45:39,542
>>coun. Telles: yes.

6537
03:45:39,542 --> 03:45:41,942
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

6538
03:45:44,814 --> 03:45:46,349
>> passes unanimously.

6539
03:45:46,349 --> 03:45:49,349
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

6540
03:45:50,860 --> 03:45:52,356
We're now back on the bill as

6541
03:45:52,356 --> 03:45:52,856
amended six times.

6542
03:45:52,856 --> 03:45:54,124
O-39.

6543
03:45:54,124 --> 03:45:55,392
Do we have anyone signed up to

6544
03:45:55,392 --> 03:45:56,594
speak?

6545
03:45:56,594 --> 03:46:00,794
We have no one signed up to

6546
03:46:06,436 --> 03:46:06,704
speak?

6547
03:46:06,704 --> 03:46:08,704
No?

6548
03:46:09,340 --> 03:46:10,740
Okay.

6549
03:46:10,740 --> 03:46:11,142
any other discussion from

6550
03:46:11,142 --> 03:46:11,808
councilors?

6551
03:46:11,808 --> 03:46:12,643
Seeing none.

6552
03:46:12,643 --> 03:46:13,811
Councilor grout and councilor

6553
03:46:13,811 --> 03:46:15,312
fiebelkorn to close.

6554
03:46:15,312 --> 03:46:18,912
>>coun. Grout: I would just like

6555
03:46:19,490 --> 03:46:21,284
to thank everybody that worked

6556
03:46:21,284 --> 03:46:24,884
on this -- everybody that worked

6557
03:46:25,488 --> 03:46:25,922
on this ordinance update.

6558
03:46:25,922 --> 03:46:26,456
Apd.

6559
03:46:26,456 --> 03:46:28,456
Council staff.

6560
03:46:30,293 --> 03:46:31,495
The vendors.

6561
03:46:31,495 --> 03:46:33,229
And councilor fiebelkorn.

6562
03:46:33,229 --> 03:46:35,990
I just am grateful for the

6563
03:46:35,990 --> 03:46:37,499
collaboration and the teamwork

6564
03:46:37,867 --> 03:46:40,400
of coming together and making

6565
03:46:40,400 --> 03:46:40,571
compromises and I think it will

6566
03:46:40,571 --> 03:46:42,571
be better.

6567
03:46:43,707 --> 03:46:46,707
I look forward to having

6568
03:46:47,378 --> 03:46:50,114
brighter days on the streets.

6569
03:46:50,114 --> 03:46:51,414
And I know that the vendors --

6570
03:46:51,414 --> 03:46:52,550
there's some great vendors out

6571
03:46:52,550 --> 03:46:56,150
there that want to do the

6572
03:46:56,286 --> 03:46:58,880
recognize -- right thing.

6573
03:46:58,880 --> 03:46:59,889
They don't want to get caught up

6574
03:46:59,889 --> 03:47:01,191
in what could be something bad.

6575
03:47:01,191 --> 03:47:03,191
Ibrush

6576
03:47:04,327 --> 03:47:06,129
I appreciate their willingness

6577
03:47:06,129 --> 03:47:06,463
to know there needs to be this

6578
03:47:06,463 --> 03:47:07,997
change.

6579
03:47:07,997 --> 03:47:08,932
I'm grateful for it.

6580
03:47:08,932 --> 03:47:11,332
I urge your support.

6581
03:47:13,904 --> 03:47:15,904
[Roll call].

6582
03:47:16,639 --> 03:47:17,974
>>coun. Baca: yes.

6583
03:47:17,974 --> 03:47:19,642
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

6584
03:47:19,642 --> 03:47:21,642
>>coun. Champine: yes.

6585
03:47:22,780 --> 03:47:24,780
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

6586
03:47:24,481 --> 03:47:26,481
>>coun. Grout: yes.

6587
03:47:26,784 --> 03:47:28,485
>>coun. Lewis: no.

6588
03:47:28,485 --> 03:47:30,540
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

6589
03:47:30,540 --> 03:47:30,754
>>coun. Telles: yes.

6590
03:47:30,754 --> 03:47:33,154
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

6591
03:47:34,240 --> 03:47:35,291
>> passes on an 8-1 vote.

6592
03:47:35,291 --> 03:47:36,861
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

6593
03:47:36,861 --> 03:47:38,861
We're on o-35.

6594
03:47:42,733 --> 03:47:45,135
This is my -- by request.

6595
03:47:45,135 --> 03:47:46,504
This is municipal solid waste

6596
03:47:46,504 --> 03:47:48,504
ordinance collection and

6597
03:47:49,172 --> 03:47:51,572
disposal rate to increase

6598
03:47:52,542 --> 03:47:54,244
disposal fees for centers for

6599
03:47:54,244 --> 03:47:55,545
businesses and residents outside

6600
03:47:55,545 --> 03:47:57,545
of albuquerque limits.

6601
03:47:58,810 --> 03:47:59,817
Collection fees for city

6602
03:47:59,817 --> 03:48:01,510
municipality landfill and

6603
03:48:01,510 --> 03:48:01,918
convenience center to provide

6604
03:48:01,918 --> 03:48:03,918
proof of residency.

6605
03:48:06,156 --> 03:48:08,556
I move do pass.

6606
03:48:09,460 --> 03:48:11,261
There's a motion, and a second

6607
03:48:11,261 --> 03:48:14,861
by councilor bassan for do pass

6608
03:48:15,980 --> 03:48:16,499
of o-35.

6609
03:48:16,499 --> 03:48:19,499
Anyone signed up to speak?

6610
03:48:30,847 --> 03:48:33,247
>> jonah followed by mervin.

6611
03:48:47,431 --> 03:48:49,431
Mervin.

6612
03:48:52,680 --> 03:48:52,802
>> thank you, again, MADAM

6613
03:48:52,802 --> 03:48:54,802
PRESIDENT.

6614
03:48:54,938 --> 03:48:55,271
I've been here before with this

6615
03:48:55,271 --> 03:48:57,271
matter.

6616
03:48:58,141 --> 03:49:02,112
On MAY 30th, 2025 I was run down

6617
03:49:02,112 --> 03:49:03,781
by a city of albuquerque solid

6618
03:49:03,781 --> 03:49:06,181
waste management vehicle driven

6619
03:49:07,170 --> 03:49:07,685
by three employees of the solid

6620
03:49:07,685 --> 03:49:09,685
waste management.

6621
03:49:14,557 --> 03:49:17,557
The driver that -- samir

6622
03:49:17,962 --> 03:49:19,962
edwards.

6623
03:49:21,965 --> 03:49:22,400
Imil -- charles casias was

6624
03:49:22,400 --> 03:49:24,400
passenger.

6625
03:49:28,638 --> 03:49:31,638
The apd public service aide

6626
03:49:33,844 --> 03:49:36,244
enrique diaz, 8-7-14.

6627
03:49:37,180 --> 03:49:39,490
He filed a falsified new mexico

6628
03:49:39,490 --> 03:49:41,490
investigation crash report.

6629
03:49:42,318 --> 03:49:45,918
He, himself, told me that the

6630
03:49:46,956 --> 03:49:47,991
camera that he had on was --

6631
03:49:47,991 --> 03:49:49,293
>> sir.

6632
03:49:49,293 --> 03:49:51,161
Your comments have to be germane

6633
03:49:51,161 --> 03:49:53,630
to the topic in the ordinance

6634
03:49:53,630 --> 03:49:55,630
that we're discussing.

6635
03:49:56,499 --> 03:49:57,200
>> let me get back to the topic

6636
03:49:57,200 --> 03:49:59,102
at hand.

6637
03:49:59,102 --> 03:50:01,502
The amendment you're talking

6638
03:50:02,238 --> 03:50:04,208
about should include that the

6639
03:50:04,208 --> 03:50:06,608
city of albuquerque employees

6640
03:50:07,770 --> 03:50:10,677
should not be allowed to use

6641
03:50:10,715 --> 03:50:13,715
city of albuquerque property to

6642
03:50:14,250 --> 03:50:15,653
harm, injure, maim or cause the

6643
03:50:15,653 --> 03:50:18,788
death of any city of albuquerque

6644
03:50:18,788 --> 03:50:20,788
death or visitors.

6645
03:50:21,458 --> 03:50:23,560
The traffic cams, the camera of

6646
03:50:23,560 --> 03:50:23,927
the day, the video was

6647
03:50:23,927 --> 03:50:25,927
destroyed.

6648
03:50:25,995 --> 03:50:28,395
>>coun. Champine: sir, again,

6649
03:50:28,398 --> 03:50:30,101
this ordinance we're discussing

6650
03:50:30,101 --> 03:50:32,369
front has to do with an increase

6651
03:50:32,369 --> 03:50:34,104
in fees.

6652
03:50:34,104 --> 03:50:36,374
Not have to do with cameras or

6653
03:50:36,374 --> 03:50:38,908
policies and procedures of how

6654
03:50:38,908 --> 03:50:39,242
accidents are tracked within the

6655
03:50:39,242 --> 03:50:41,242
system.

6656
03:50:41,344 --> 03:50:44,415
If you have comment about the

6657
03:50:44,415 --> 03:50:45,582
increase in fees for outside the

6658
03:50:45,582 --> 03:50:46,951
residents, please give them.

6659
03:50:46,951 --> 03:50:48,518
If not, then your public comment

6660
03:50:48,518 --> 03:50:49,152
is over, sir.

6661
03:50:49,152 --> 03:50:51,152
>> okay.

6662
03:50:52,822 --> 03:50:54,525
I would like to address, again,

6663
03:50:54,525 --> 03:50:57,270
if anybody is going to be paying

6664
03:50:57,270 --> 03:50:58,628
for services of the city of

6665
03:50:58,628 --> 03:51:00,960
albuquerque here in the city or

6666
03:51:00,960 --> 03:51:03,233
outside of the city, I think the

6667
03:51:03,233 --> 03:51:06,833
rule of law should be followed.

6668
03:51:07,237 --> 03:51:08,205
I think enforcement should be

6669
03:51:08,205 --> 03:51:09,939
included in this amendment.

6670
03:51:09,939 --> 03:51:11,508
That city of albuquerque

6671
03:51:11,508 --> 03:51:14,277
employees should not be allowed

6672
03:51:14,277 --> 03:51:16,479
to use city of albuquerque

6673
03:51:16,479 --> 03:51:19,450
property to injure other people

6674
03:51:19,450 --> 03:51:19,950
or cause death.

6675
03:51:19,950 --> 03:51:20,684
Thank you.

6676
03:51:20,684 --> 03:51:23,840
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

6677
03:51:29,659 --> 03:51:30,326
sir.

6678
03:51:30,326 --> 03:51:33,326
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

6679
03:51:34,980 --> 03:51:34,498
Any other questions from

6680
03:51:34,498 --> 03:51:35,310
councilors?

6681
03:51:35,310 --> 03:51:36,466
Councilor telles.

6682
03:51:36,466 --> 03:51:36,834
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

6683
03:51:36,834 --> 03:51:38,834
PRESIDENT.

6684
03:51:41,172 --> 03:51:41,571
I just have a couple of

6685
03:51:41,571 --> 03:51:43,474
questions.

6686
03:51:43,474 --> 03:51:46,474
I guess for the director.

6687
03:51:56,987 --> 03:51:58,988
Maybe even our sponsors.

6688
03:51:58,988 --> 03:52:00,523
Hello, director.

6689
03:52:00,523 --> 03:52:01,257
How are you?

6690
03:52:01,257 --> 03:52:02,959
>> good.

6691
03:52:02,959 --> 03:52:03,927
>>coun. Telles: I had fun on my

6692
03:52:03,927 --> 03:52:04,961
solid waste tour.

6693
03:52:04,961 --> 03:52:07,970
Thank you for that.

6694
03:52:07,970 --> 03:52:08,998
Really was hoping I would get a

6695
03:52:08,998 --> 03:52:10,300
pink hard hat, but yellow is not

6696
03:52:10,300 --> 03:52:11,501
my color.

6697
03:52:11,501 --> 03:52:13,901
It worked out anyway.

6698
03:52:14,472 --> 03:52:18,720
I just have a couple of

6699
03:52:19,409 --> 03:52:23,900
questions on the cost basis for

6700
03:52:23,447 --> 03:52:25,847
setting it at $12 versus $5.

6701
03:52:29,986 --> 03:52:34,186
Did you do a cost of service

6702
03:52:34,257 --> 03:52:37,270
analysis, or is that a round

6703
03:52:37,270 --> 03:52:38,294
number policy choice?

6704
03:52:38,294 --> 03:52:40,196
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

6705
03:52:40,196 --> 03:52:41,564
telles, we do have a cost of

6706
03:52:41,564 --> 03:52:43,964
service we do annually.

6707
03:52:46,637 --> 03:52:50,837
The cost of service will show we

6708
03:52:51,875 --> 03:52:54,275
subsidize $19.69 for the $5, and

6709
03:52:55,780 --> 03:52:57,140
12 will be subsidized at $12.69.

6710
03:52:57,140 --> 03:52:57,747
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

6711
03:52:57,747 --> 03:52:59,747
PRESIDENT, director.

6712
03:53:00,116 --> 03:53:03,716
Who checks the utility bill or

6713
03:53:03,720 --> 03:53:05,689
id at the point of disposal at

6714
03:53:05,689 --> 03:53:07,558
the convenience center?

6715
03:53:07,558 --> 03:53:09,260
Have they trained staff for it

6716
03:53:09,260 --> 03:53:10,393
to be effective after the

6717
03:53:10,393 --> 03:53:11,728
adoption of the bill?

6718
03:53:11,728 --> 03:53:13,728
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

6719
03:53:14,598 --> 03:53:17,635
telles, the cashiers will be the

6720
03:53:17,635 --> 03:53:18,368
ones checking for the

6721
03:53:18,368 --> 03:53:20,368
information required.

6722
03:53:20,737 --> 03:53:22,472
As far as being trained, we have

6723
03:53:22,472 --> 03:53:22,772
not fully trained them at this

6724
03:53:22,772 --> 03:53:24,772
time.

6725
03:53:25,800 --> 03:53:26,944
But it will not take more than a

6726
03:53:26,944 --> 03:53:28,578
week to train them.

6727
03:53:28,578 --> 03:53:28,945
>>coun. Telles: thank you,

6728
03:53:28,945 --> 03:53:30,945
director.

6729
03:53:31,314 --> 03:53:34,551
Will there be an sop developed

6730
03:53:34,551 --> 03:53:36,187
so they can follow that?

6731
03:53:36,187 --> 03:53:37,254
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

6732
03:53:37,254 --> 03:53:38,421
telles, yes.

6733
03:53:38,421 --> 03:53:38,822
>>coun. Telles: wonderful.

6734
03:53:38,822 --> 03:53:40,624
Thank you.

6735
03:53:40,624 --> 03:53:42,526
MADAM PRESIDENT, director, what

6736
03:53:42,526 --> 03:53:46,126
happens to someone who is a

6737
03:53:47,731 --> 03:53:48,131
genuine in city resident but

6738
03:53:48,131 --> 03:53:50,131
doesn't

6739
03:53:50,967 --> 03:53:53,604
have a utility bill or id.

6740
03:53:53,604 --> 03:53:55,380
Is there an appeal or process or

6741
03:53:55,380 --> 03:53:55,538
are they just charged out of

6742
03:53:55,538 --> 03:53:57,410
city rate?

6743
03:53:57,410 --> 03:53:58,341
>> currently, they're charged

6744
03:53:58,341 --> 03:54:00,144
out of city rate.

6745
03:54:00,144 --> 03:54:01,711
>>coun. Telles: my final

6746
03:54:01,711 --> 03:54:02,780
question, thank you, MADAM

6747
03:54:02,780 --> 03:54:04,780
PRESIDENT.

6748
03:54:04,514 --> 03:54:05,648
How many out of city residential

6749
03:54:05,648 --> 03:54:07,117
and commercial accounts use

6750
03:54:07,117 --> 03:54:09,117
these convenience centers?

6751
03:54:09,819 --> 03:54:10,154
And what's the projected revenue

6752
03:54:10,154 --> 03:54:11,488
impact?

6753
03:54:11,488 --> 03:54:13,488
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

6754
03:54:14,690 --> 03:54:17,900
telles, roughly 42% is what

6755
03:54:17,660 --> 03:54:19,629
we -- during the time we got the

6756
03:54:19,629 --> 03:54:23,229
information, is out of the city.

6757
03:54:24,135 --> 03:54:25,469
And roughly $1.1 million is what

6758
03:54:25,469 --> 03:54:26,302
we would generate.

6759
03:54:26,302 --> 03:54:27,504
>>coun. Telles: thank you.

6760
03:54:27,504 --> 03:54:29,139
Those are all my questions.

6761
03:54:29,139 --> 03:54:30,607
I appreciate it.

6762
03:54:30,607 --> 03:54:32,442
>>coun. Pe}a: any additional

6763
03:54:32,442 --> 03:54:32,709
comments or questions?

6764
03:54:32,709 --> 03:54:33,843
No.

6765
03:54:33,843 --> 03:54:35,843
There you go.

6766
03:54:36,379 --> 03:54:36,981
I will close by saying I urge

6767
03:54:36,981 --> 03:54:38,981
your support.

6768
03:54:40,384 --> 03:54:42,384
[Roll call].

6769
03:54:42,652 --> 03:54:44,521
>>coun. Baca: yes.

6770
03:54:44,521 --> 03:54:46,122
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

6771
03:54:46,122 --> 03:54:48,122
>>coun. Champine: yes.

6772
03:54:48,491 --> 03:54:50,491
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

6773
03:54:51,628 --> 03:54:53,496
>>coun. Grout: yes.

6774
03:54:53,496 --> 03:54:55,465
>>coun. Lewis: no.

6775
03:54:55,465 --> 03:54:56,766
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

6776
03:54:56,766 --> 03:54:57,467
>>coun. Telles: yes.

6777
03:54:57,467 --> 03:54:59,867
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

6778
03:55:00,371 --> 03:55:02,380
>> passes on an 8-1 vote.

6779
03:55:02,380 --> 03:55:05,842
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you so much

6780
03:55:05,842 --> 03:55:06,576
we're now on o-39, by request.

6781
03:55:06,576 --> 03:55:08,311
Councilor grout.

6782
03:55:08,311 --> 03:55:08,846
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

6783
03:55:08,846 --> 03:55:09,914
PRESIDENT.

6784
03:55:09,914 --> 03:55:11,881
Amending the integrated

6785
03:55:11,881 --> 03:55:13,284
development ordinance to revise

6786
03:55:13,284 --> 03:55:15,684
regulation for cannabis and

6787
03:55:17,488 --> 03:55:20,488
nicotine retail uses in table

6788
03:55:21,920 --> 03:55:24,461
4-2-1, allowable uses in section

6789
03:55:24,461 --> 03:55:26,461
14-16-4-3.

6790
03:55:35,906 --> 03:55:36,806
I move a do pass.

6791
03:55:36,806 --> 03:55:38,742
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

6792
03:55:38,742 --> 03:55:39,760
and a second by councilor

6793
03:55:39,760 --> 03:55:40,877
bassan.

6794
03:55:40,877 --> 03:55:41,845
We'll go to public comment,

6795
03:55:41,845 --> 03:55:42,846
right out of the gate.

6796
03:55:42,846 --> 03:55:44,280
>> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

6797
03:55:44,280 --> 03:55:47,280
First speaker is grace followed

6798
03:55:55,959 --> 03:55:57,959
by jonah.

6799
03:55:58,195 --> 03:55:59,629
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, I stand in

6800
03:55:59,629 --> 03:56:02,290
opposition to this ordinance

6801
03:56:02,198 --> 03:56:03,767
because it's a thinly veiled

6802
03:56:03,767 --> 03:56:06,167
attempt to continue exclusionary

6803
03:56:06,837 --> 03:56:07,805
and racist history of zoning

6804
03:56:07,805 --> 03:56:09,439
laws.

6805
03:56:09,439 --> 03:56:10,907
This isn't about buffers and

6806
03:56:10,907 --> 03:56:13,144
setbacks, albuquerque has a

6807
03:56:13,144 --> 03:56:14,677
documented history of racial

6808
03:56:14,677 --> 03:56:17,770
covenants that excluded black

6809
03:56:17,414 --> 03:56:18,883
and hispanic and asian american

6810
03:56:18,883 --> 03:56:19,749
families from entire

6811
03:56:19,749 --> 03:56:21,118
neighborhoods.

6812
03:56:21,118 --> 03:56:22,519
Covenants that will sit on

6813
03:56:22,519 --> 03:56:24,519
property deeds today.

6814
03:56:25,588 --> 03:56:27,991
This city has documented history

6815
03:56:27,991 --> 03:56:30,991
of routing undesirable land uses

6816
03:56:31,610 --> 03:56:31,961
into the same historic

6817
03:56:31,961 --> 03:56:33,961
neighborhoods of color.

6818
03:56:34,431 --> 03:56:35,865
South valley, international

6819
03:56:35,865 --> 03:56:37,434
districts, west side.

6820
03:56:37,434 --> 03:56:40,136
That's the result of neutral

6821
03:56:40,136 --> 03:56:42,136
tools like buffers.

6822
03:56:42,306 --> 03:56:44,507
I'm not asking to draw more

6823
03:56:44,507 --> 03:56:46,876
lines on a map.

6824
03:56:46,876 --> 03:56:49,379
More buffers overlays, it's the

6825
03:56:49,379 --> 03:56:50,814
same exclusionary tool kit aimed

6826
03:56:50,814 --> 03:56:53,214
at a new target.

6827
03:56:53,650 --> 03:56:55,785
You created cannabis equity fund

6828
03:56:55,785 --> 03:56:58,185
for putting money into

6829
03:56:58,521 --> 03:56:59,422
communities run by exclusionary

6830
03:56:59,422 --> 03:57:01,191
tool kit.

6831
03:57:01,191 --> 03:57:02,759
Yet the sponsor voted against

6832
03:57:02,759 --> 03:57:04,627
the guarantee basic income

6833
03:57:04,627 --> 03:57:06,696
process which is funded by

6834
03:57:06,696 --> 03:57:09,696
cannabis grt revenue which will

6835
03:57:13,337 --> 03:57:15,271
be decreasing as a result of the

6836
03:57:15,271 --> 03:57:16,506
disclusionary on cannabis doors.

6837
03:57:16,506 --> 03:57:18,506
Please oppose this.

6838
03:57:27,650 --> 03:57:30,500
>> jonah followed by erica.

6839
03:57:34,891 --> 03:57:35,925
Erica, followed by jeff.

6840
03:57:35,925 --> 03:57:37,925
>> good evening, MADAM

6841
03:57:38,628 --> 03:57:40,597
PRESIDENT, councilors.

6842
03:57:40,597 --> 03:57:42,997
Albuquerque has generated over

6843
03:57:44,334 --> 03:57:45,568
$670 million in cumulative

6844
03:57:45,568 --> 03:57:47,968
economic activity from legal

6845
03:57:49,572 --> 03:57:51,941
cannabis sales since adult use

6846
03:57:51,941 --> 03:57:54,110
launched in APRIL of 2022.

6847
03:57:54,110 --> 03:57:55,379
Representing nearly 30% of new

6848
03:57:55,379 --> 03:57:56,746
mexico's total state market, the

6849
03:57:56,746 --> 03:57:58,949
city leveraged the industry into

6850
03:57:58,949 --> 03:58:01,518
a major driver for local

6851
03:58:01,518 --> 03:58:02,318
businesses, job creation, and

6852
03:58:02,318 --> 03:58:04,318
municipal infrastructure.

6853
03:58:04,621 --> 03:58:06,790
Please help us as an industry to

6854
03:58:06,790 --> 03:58:09,626
survive and thrive rather than

6855
03:58:09,626 --> 03:58:11,626
creating legislation that

6856
03:58:12,762 --> 03:58:14,564
continues the stigmamization of

6857
03:58:14,564 --> 03:58:15,832
a plant that is useful.

6858
03:58:15,832 --> 03:58:17,234
New mexico has the opportunity

6859
03:58:17,234 --> 03:58:19,302
to support the small business in

6860
03:58:19,302 --> 03:58:21,439
an industry that can bolster

6861
03:58:21,439 --> 03:58:21,872
tourism and health

6862
03:58:21,872 --> 03:58:23,872
opportunities.

6863
03:58:24,674 --> 03:58:26,342
You all are cutting us away from

6864
03:58:26,342 --> 03:58:28,742
more real estate opportunities

6865
03:58:31,214 --> 03:58:32,949
we already don't have.

6866
03:58:32,949 --> 03:58:35,949
Lumping us with nicotine and

6867
03:58:36,619 --> 03:58:37,754
vape stores makes no sense to me

6868
03:58:37,754 --> 03:58:39,754
either.

6869
03:58:41,240 --> 03:58:41,992
Please reconsider.

6870
03:58:41,992 --> 03:58:43,992
Vote no.

6871
03:58:49,632 --> 03:58:52,320
>> jeff followed by ian.

6872
03:58:52,268 --> 03:58:53,703
>> good evening, MADAM

6873
03:58:53,703 --> 03:58:55,171
PRESIDENT, council members.

6874
03:58:55,171 --> 03:58:55,805
I spoke the last time this bill

6875
03:58:55,805 --> 03:58:57,274
came up.

6876
03:58:57,274 --> 03:58:59,676
I'm not going to go over what I

6877
03:58:59,676 --> 03:59:01,112
said the last time.

6878
03:59:01,112 --> 03:59:02,812
I know -- I actually

6879
03:59:02,812 --> 03:59:03,913
represent -- I run the small

6880
03:59:03,913 --> 03:59:06,216
business for ten years now.

6881
03:59:06,216 --> 03:59:07,917
In the last year, I had to form

6882
03:59:07,917 --> 03:59:09,787
the small business coalition of

6883
03:59:09,787 --> 03:59:11,187
new mexico as well as the

6884
03:59:11,187 --> 03:59:11,521
consumer rights coalition of new

6885
03:59:11,521 --> 03:59:12,990
mexico.

6886
03:59:12,990 --> 03:59:15,390
Trying to protect consumer's

6887
03:59:15,860 --> 03:59:16,559
right to fair and free access to

6888
03:59:16,559 --> 03:59:18,559
products.

6889
03:59:19,163 --> 03:59:20,330
And also protect small business

6890
03:59:20,330 --> 03:59:22,298
owners in new mexico.

6891
03:59:22,298 --> 03:59:24,434
Just like myself, I put hundreds

6892
03:59:24,434 --> 03:59:26,269
of thousands of dollars into

6893
03:59:26,269 --> 03:59:28,271
businesses only to find the next

6894
03:59:28,271 --> 03:59:29,606
morning I wake up to some new

6895
03:59:29,606 --> 03:59:31,841
regulation or some law that

6896
03:59:31,841 --> 03:59:32,675
actually isn't helping to make

6897
03:59:32,675 --> 03:59:34,675
us thrive.

6898
03:59:35,211 --> 03:59:36,880
You create one industry or laws

6899
03:59:36,880 --> 03:59:38,615
that allow industries to thrive

6900
03:59:38,615 --> 03:59:40,484
but the next day there's a new

6901
03:59:40,484 --> 03:59:42,318
rule or regulation that makes us

6902
03:59:42,318 --> 03:59:44,187
want to leave the state.

6903
03:59:44,187 --> 03:59:46,257
I'm here to -- I really

6904
03:59:46,257 --> 03:59:47,570
appreciate the mayor's office

6905
03:59:47,570 --> 03:59:50,293
and some of the councilors met

6906
03:59:50,293 --> 03:59:52,693
with representatives of our

6907
03:59:54,264 --> 03:59:54,564
coalition to work out -- thank

6908
03:59:54,564 --> 03:59:56,564
you.

6909
04:00:08,278 --> 04:00:10,678
>> ian followed by alan.

6910
04:00:26,262 --> 04:00:28,662
Alan followed by tad.

6911
04:00:30,734 --> 04:00:33,134
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, members of

6912
04:00:33,136 --> 04:00:35,536
the council, there's an

6913
04:00:36,373 --> 04:00:38,776
ordinance that you want to close

6914
04:00:38,776 --> 04:00:42,679
out of this bill -- you want to

6915
04:00:42,679 --> 04:00:44,514
close smoke shops at 11 o'clock.

6916
04:00:44,514 --> 04:00:46,916
I understand the reason because

6917
04:00:46,916 --> 04:00:49,753
it's like five or six smoke

6918
04:00:49,753 --> 04:00:51,488
shops that are just terrible.

6919
04:00:51,488 --> 04:00:54,157
They have bad actors outside.

6920
04:00:54,157 --> 04:00:57,494
But you can take care of those

6921
04:00:57,494 --> 04:01:01,694
five or six smoke shops by doing

6922
04:01:01,865 --> 04:01:04,134
an ordinance that's noise --

6923
04:01:04,134 --> 04:01:06,534
nuisance ordinance, and you

6924
04:01:07,103 --> 04:01:09,720
can't go around and close every

6925
04:01:09,720 --> 04:01:11,472
gas station at 10 o'clock.

6926
04:01:11,508 --> 04:01:11,775
We don't have the policing for

6927
04:01:11,775 --> 04:01:12,743
it.

6928
04:01:12,743 --> 04:01:13,443
There's no money in the bill to

6929
04:01:13,443 --> 04:01:15,443
police it.

6930
04:01:16,846 --> 04:01:19,716
You can't go to a circle k gas

6931
04:01:19,716 --> 04:01:21,718
station and maverick and smith's

6932
04:01:21,718 --> 04:01:23,554
to make sure this will is really

6933
04:01:23,554 --> 04:01:25,322
going to go through.

6934
04:01:25,322 --> 04:01:27,924
Lastly, you have enough time to

6935
04:01:27,924 --> 04:01:30,528
get rid of clusters of

6936
04:01:30,528 --> 04:01:32,928
dispensaries and smoke shops.

6937
04:01:33,129 --> 04:01:34,397
There are more smoke shops

6938
04:01:34,397 --> 04:01:36,397
closing than opening.

6939
04:01:36,966 --> 04:01:40,566
The free market is taking care

6940
04:01:40,837 --> 04:01:41,638
of this problem.

6941
04:01:41,638 --> 04:01:44,638
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

6942
04:01:51,182 --> 04:01:51,681
>> tad.

6943
04:01:51,681 --> 04:01:53,681
>> thank you.

6944
04:01:57,654 --> 04:02:00,540
My name is tad.

6945
04:02:02,692 --> 04:02:04,327
Well, here is -- back before

6946
04:02:04,327 --> 04:02:06,727
1969, I love in chicago.

6947
04:02:07,397 --> 04:02:10,397
We have bars all over.

6948
04:02:13,503 --> 04:02:15,903
Almost on every corner.

6949
04:02:17,407 --> 04:02:18,341
now, when I move to albuquerque,

6950
04:02:18,341 --> 04:02:20,341
same ways.

6951
04:02:20,744 --> 04:02:22,744
Bars all over.

6952
04:02:28,718 --> 04:02:31,718
What's going on with bars?

6953
04:02:32,122 --> 04:02:35,722
What are they doing over there?

6954
04:02:36,192 --> 04:02:38,192
They're selling drug

6955
04:02:38,628 --> 04:02:41,280
paraphernalia for high price.

6956
04:02:41,664 --> 04:02:44,640
That is the picture.

6957
04:02:45,802 --> 04:02:49,402
You go to the smoke shops,

6958
04:02:49,472 --> 04:02:50,206
marijuana shops, no.

6959
04:02:50,206 --> 04:02:52,206
I doubt it.

6960
04:02:52,641 --> 04:02:54,677
I urge you to go over there and

6961
04:02:54,677 --> 04:02:56,677
check it.

6962
04:02:59,784 --> 04:03:03,984
And cops need to stay behind it.

6963
04:03:04,654 --> 04:03:08,590
And they put in low income

6964
04:03:08,590 --> 04:03:08,758
districts like the tower

6965
04:03:08,758 --> 04:03:09,559
downtown.

6966
04:03:09,559 --> 04:03:12,559
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

6967
04:03:13,290 --> 04:03:13,797
>> smoke shops.

6968
04:03:13,797 --> 04:03:15,665
Thank you.

6969
04:03:15,665 --> 04:03:16,300
>> that concludes comment.

6970
04:03:16,300 --> 04:03:17,167
Thank you.

6971
04:03:17,167 --> 04:03:18,802
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

6972
04:03:18,802 --> 04:03:21,806
We were back on the bill.

6973
04:03:21,806 --> 04:03:23,641
Before I go to councilors, I

6974
04:03:23,641 --> 04:03:24,908
will ask the sponsor if she's

6975
04:03:24,908 --> 04:03:26,643
like to move the floor amendment

6976
04:03:26,643 --> 04:03:29,446
first before we go to questions

6977
04:03:29,446 --> 04:03:31,147
or comments?

6978
04:03:31,147 --> 04:03:31,548
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

6979
04:03:31,548 --> 04:03:33,548
PRESIDENT.

6980
04:03:34,150 --> 04:03:34,851
We do have a committee amendment

6981
04:03:34,851 --> 04:03:36,851
to offer.

6982
04:03:39,550 --> 04:03:40,524
I will say, again, we worked

6983
04:03:40,524 --> 04:03:42,192
with the industry.

6984
04:03:42,192 --> 04:03:45,192
Spent some time with them.

6985
04:03:45,228 --> 04:03:47,798
And because we know -- I want to

6986
04:03:47,798 --> 04:03:51,398
start, also, by saying this has

6987
04:03:52,335 --> 04:03:52,670
nothing to do with me and my

6988
04:03:52,670 --> 04:03:54,271
morals.

6989
04:03:54,271 --> 04:03:57,730
This has nothing to do with me.

6990
04:03:57,730 --> 04:03:57,540
It has to do with the

6991
04:03:57,540 --> 04:03:59,540
administration.

6992
04:04:00,443 --> 04:04:00,744
This is the administration's

6993
04:04:00,744 --> 04:04:02,612
bill.

6994
04:04:02,612 --> 04:04:03,880
I am offering it by request.

6995
04:04:03,880 --> 04:04:05,281
We met with them.

6996
04:04:05,281 --> 04:04:07,551
We met with the industry.

6997
04:04:07,551 --> 04:04:09,951
We talked with them.

6998
04:04:11,554 --> 04:04:15,154
We went over things that we

6999
04:04:16,360 --> 04:04:19,360
could change that when this

7000
04:04:19,596 --> 04:04:20,930
industry as a whole came in and

7001
04:04:20,930 --> 04:04:22,930
went gangbusters.

7002
04:04:24,868 --> 04:04:26,504
We had so many everywhere.

7003
04:04:26,504 --> 04:04:27,370
And you never want to see a

7004
04:04:27,370 --> 04:04:29,139
business go out of business

7005
04:04:29,139 --> 04:04:32,175
because a lot of people invested

7006
04:04:32,175 --> 04:04:33,844
a lot in that.

7007
04:04:33,844 --> 04:04:35,844
That's their choice.

7008
04:04:36,313 --> 04:04:40,513
You also want to make sure that

7009
04:04:40,950 --> 04:04:41,918
whatever you can do to make it

7010
04:04:41,918 --> 04:04:43,918
work.

7011
04:04:46,523 --> 04:04:49,527
What we were finding is -- apd

7012
04:04:49,527 --> 04:04:50,527
is finding is sometimes there's

7013
04:04:50,527 --> 04:04:52,527
a cluster.

7014
04:04:53,663 --> 04:04:55,598
And it causes an issue.

7015
04:04:55,598 --> 04:04:58,467
We came together and we came up

7016
04:04:58,467 --> 04:05:00,467
with some changes.

7017
04:05:01,538 --> 04:05:04,742
I want to thank the industry for

7018
04:05:04,742 --> 04:05:06,743
working with us to come up with

7019
04:05:06,743 --> 04:05:08,845
these, and the administration.

7020
04:05:08,845 --> 04:05:11,414
We worked a lot on this.

7021
04:05:11,414 --> 04:05:13,414
It's not perfect.

7022
04:05:15,985 --> 04:05:18,121
But I think it's a good

7023
04:05:18,121 --> 04:05:20,121
compromise.

7024
04:05:21,858 --> 04:05:26,580
Can I ask our council staff to

7025
04:05:26,564 --> 04:05:28,564
go over it?

7026
04:05:29,199 --> 04:05:31,199
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

7027
04:05:31,901 --> 04:05:33,536
grout, thank you.

7028
04:05:33,536 --> 04:05:35,390
The amendment -- I'm talking

7029
04:05:35,390 --> 04:05:36,239
about the amendment.

7030
04:05:36,239 --> 04:05:39,839
The amendment that's in front of

7031
04:05:40,440 --> 04:05:43,179
you is changing some of the

7032
04:05:43,179 --> 04:05:44,714
things that were introduced at

7033
04:05:44,714 --> 04:05:46,714
the lupz.

7034
04:05:46,883 --> 04:05:48,318
Starting off with changing the

7035
04:05:48,318 --> 04:05:49,586
distance separation from

7036
04:05:49,586 --> 04:05:51,586
existing cannabis retail.

7037
04:05:53,230 --> 04:05:53,590
It changes that from 60 feet to

7038
04:05:53,590 --> 04:05:55,250
99

7039
04:05:55,250 --> 04:05:57,250
990 feet.

7040
04:05:58,795 --> 04:06:01,195
The second amendment introduces

7041
04:06:01,297 --> 04:06:03,697
a distance correction of 990

7042
04:06:06,904 --> 04:06:09,272
feet from existing retails.

7043
04:06:09,272 --> 04:06:11,672
The third amendment increases

7044
04:06:11,741 --> 04:06:14,141
the buffer distance from 330

7045
04:06:16,547 --> 04:06:16,880
feet to 990 schools and daycare

7046
04:06:16,880 --> 04:06:17,580
centers.

7047
04:06:17,580 --> 04:06:18,548
>>coun. Champine: we're

7048
04:06:18,548 --> 04:06:20,948
discussing something that hasn't

7049
04:06:26,724 --> 04:06:28,580
been seconded.

7050
04:06:28,580 --> 04:06:30,458
>>coun. Grout: I'm sorry.

7051
04:06:30,660 --> 04:06:31,628
I would like to move floor

7052
04:06:31,628 --> 04:06:33,628
amendment one.

7053
04:06:34,698 --> 04:06:38,201
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

7054
04:06:38,201 --> 04:06:38,535
and a second by councilor

7055
04:06:38,535 --> 04:06:39,102
bassan.

7056
04:06:39,102 --> 04:06:41,102
>> I'll continue.

7057
04:06:42,740 --> 04:06:46,309
I was on the third amendment.

7058
04:06:46,309 --> 04:06:47,977
It talks about increasing buffer

7059
04:06:47,977 --> 04:06:50,377
distance from schools and

7060
04:06:51,981 --> 04:06:52,382
daycares from 60 feet to 990

7061
04:06:52,382 --> 04:06:54,382
feet.

7062
04:06:55,985 --> 04:06:58,890
The fourth in the line is to be

7063
04:06:58,890 --> 04:07:00,489
consistent and reduces the

7064
04:07:02,659 --> 04:07:05,590
buffer from existing nicotine

7065
04:07:06,629 --> 04:07:07,397
retails from 1,000 to 9

7066
04:07:07,397 --> 04:07:09,397
90 feet.

7067
04:07:09,766 --> 04:07:12,202
The fifth one is being

7068
04:07:12,202 --> 04:07:14,602
consistent of introducing a

7069
04:07:15,872 --> 04:07:18,872
buffer distance of 990 feet from

7070
04:07:19,750 --> 04:07:21,750
existing cannabis retail.

7071
04:07:23,947 --> 04:07:26,684
And the last one is introducing

7072
04:07:26,684 --> 04:07:29,684
a -- increasing buffer distance

7073
04:07:30,860 --> 04:07:32,255
from 330 feet to 990 feet.

7074
04:07:32,255 --> 04:07:34,958
There's also an amendment to

7075
04:07:34,958 --> 04:07:37,358
increase the distance from

7076
04:07:38,661 --> 04:07:41,610
residential zone and lots

7077
04:07:41,599 --> 04:07:42,165
containing the unis from 550 to

7078
04:07:42,165 --> 04:07:44,165
663 feet.

7079
04:07:45,702 --> 04:07:49,302
And also changing the timing of

7080
04:07:49,506 --> 04:07:51,441
existing businesses and

7081
04:07:51,441 --> 04:07:53,441
prohibiting these from 11:00

7082
04:07:54,440 --> 04:07:57,440
P.M. To 7:00 A.M.

7083
04:07:58,249 --> 04:07:58,783
These are only for nicotine

7084
04:07:58,783 --> 04:08:00,783
shops.

7085
04:08:04,255 --> 04:08:05,755
It will not affect any small

7086
04:08:05,755 --> 04:08:07,758
accessory users that are there

7087
04:08:07,758 --> 04:08:08,892
in gas station or grocery

7088
04:08:08,892 --> 04:08:10,892
stores.

7089
04:08:10,927 --> 04:08:12,896
This will only affect nicotine

7090
04:08:12,896 --> 04:08:15,296
shops and cannabis retail.

7091
04:08:18,334 --> 04:08:21,334
I stand for any questions.

7092
04:08:21,371 --> 04:08:23,771
>>coun. Grout: thank you.

7093
04:08:30,380 --> 04:08:31,448
MAY I have -- councilor lewis.

7094
04:08:31,448 --> 04:08:31,849
>>coun. Lewis: thank you, MADAM

7095
04:08:31,849 --> 04:08:33,784
PRESIDENT.

7096
04:08:33,784 --> 04:08:34,251
Just a question for the

7097
04:08:34,251 --> 04:08:36,251
administration.

7098
04:08:36,553 --> 04:08:37,187
It sounds like this is the

7099
04:08:37,187 --> 04:08:39,187
administration's bill.

7100
04:08:42,192 --> 04:08:44,127
I guess I would ask where did it

7101
04:08:44,127 --> 04:08:45,290
orig

7102
04:08:45,290 --> 04:08:46,464
originate?

7103
04:08:46,464 --> 04:08:49,399
Did this come from the cannabis

7104
04:08:49,399 --> 04:08:50,468
retail industry to the

7105
04:08:50,468 --> 04:08:52,402
administration with

7106
04:08:52,402 --> 04:08:54,402
recommendations?

7107
04:08:54,838 --> 04:08:57,141
Or was this -- did this

7108
04:08:57,141 --> 04:08:58,641
orageinate within the

7109
04:08:58,641 --> 04:09:00,641
administration with consultation

7110
04:09:00,977 --> 04:09:03,377
of the cannabis industry?

7111
04:09:04,314 --> 04:09:05,382
Where did it begin?

7112
04:09:05,382 --> 04:09:07,382
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

7113
04:09:09,519 --> 04:09:12,519
lewis, I'll invite deputy chief

7114
04:09:13,890 --> 04:09:14,240
and deputy director aranda from

7115
04:09:14,240 --> 04:09:16,240
planning up.

7116
04:09:16,659 --> 04:09:17,928
They led in this work related to

7117
04:09:17,928 --> 04:09:20,897
both the analysis of our data

7118
04:09:20,897 --> 04:09:22,499
and the impacts we're seeing

7119
04:09:22,499 --> 04:09:26,990
related to clustering as well as

7120
04:09:27,470 --> 04:09:30,470
the discussions we've had with

7121
04:09:33,511 --> 04:09:35,511
industry.

7122
04:09:35,612 --> 04:09:37,612
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

7123
04:09:37,714 --> 04:09:40,830
I'm here to talk about the

7124
04:09:40,830 --> 04:09:41,217
public safety and law

7125
04:09:41,217 --> 04:09:43,617
enforcement perspective on what

7126
04:09:44,870 --> 04:09:45,922
we're seeing realtime with

7127
04:09:45,922 --> 04:09:46,222
nicotine retailers and cannabis

7128
04:09:46,222 --> 04:09:48,250
shops.

7129
04:09:48,250 --> 04:09:50,260
I guess the best way to start

7130
04:09:50,260 --> 04:09:52,328
off -- actually, I'd like to

7131
04:09:52,328 --> 04:09:54,728
applaud councilor rogers and

7132
04:09:56,567 --> 04:09:58,968
echo the sentiment that she said

7133
04:09:58,968 --> 04:10:01,538
earlier about the shoes that are

7134
04:10:01,538 --> 04:10:03,938
thrown over power lines.

7135
04:10:04,574 --> 04:10:07,645
The way I interpret that is in

7136
04:10:07,645 --> 04:10:10,714
certain regions of our city when

7137
04:10:10,714 --> 04:10:12,649
shoe

7138
04:10:12,649 --> 04:10:13,884
shoes are thrown over

7139
04:10:13,884 --> 04:10:15,985
powerlines, that is a call you

7140
04:10:15,985 --> 04:10:17,153
can obtain illicit substances

7141
04:10:17,153 --> 04:10:19,153
that these locations.

7142
04:10:19,356 --> 04:10:20,590
I know she said that she's sick

7143
04:10:20,590 --> 04:10:22,590
of the filth.

7144
04:10:23,194 --> 04:10:26,229
I interpret that as she's sick

7145
04:10:26,229 --> 04:10:27,964
of crime and the criminal

7146
04:10:27,964 --> 04:10:29,333
element that is happening.

7147
04:10:29,333 --> 04:10:30,900
I would present to you in my

7148
04:10:30,900 --> 04:10:33,670
experience and obviously all of

7149
04:10:33,670 --> 04:10:35,171
the different calls for service,

7150
04:10:35,171 --> 04:10:36,673
enforcement, and data that I

7151
04:10:36,673 --> 04:10:39,730
have personally seen and

7152
04:10:39,676 --> 04:10:41,544
personally witnessed, when you

7153
04:10:41,544 --> 04:10:43,514
have a geographical area in our

7154
04:10:43,514 --> 04:10:46,816
city that has such a high

7155
04:10:46,816 --> 04:10:47,984
concentration of volume of

7156
04:10:47,984 --> 04:10:49,919
individuals -- I'm not here to

7157
04:10:49,919 --> 04:10:52,522
tell you it's the nicotine

7158
04:10:52,522 --> 04:10:54,391
retailers or cannabis shops that

7159
04:10:54,391 --> 04:10:55,592
is the sole reason why these

7160
04:10:55,592 --> 04:10:55,925
individuals are drawn to these

7161
04:10:55,925 --> 04:10:57,594
areas.

7162
04:10:57,594 --> 04:10:59,763
There's a whole bunch of other

7163
04:10:59,763 --> 04:11:00,497
factors that draws them to this

7164
04:11:00,497 --> 04:11:02,497
area.

7165
04:11:02,631 --> 04:11:04,000
Of course, there's outliers too.

7166
04:11:04,000 --> 04:11:06,102
There are different parts of

7167
04:11:06,102 --> 04:11:07,404
town where there are nicotine

7168
04:11:07,404 --> 04:11:09,804
retailers and cannabis shops

7169
04:11:10,740 --> 04:11:11,841
where we don't see these issues.

7170
04:11:11,841 --> 04:11:14,770
But in these concentrated areas

7171
04:11:14,770 --> 04:11:16,914
where we have large populations

7172
04:11:16,914 --> 04:11:19,884
of people congregating, like I

7173
04:11:19,884 --> 04:11:21,618
said, for whatever the different

7174
04:11:21,618 --> 04:11:25,218
variables that drew them to that

7175
04:11:25,221 --> 04:11:26,624
area, I know that they

7176
04:11:26,624 --> 04:11:27,524
congrauigate in front of

7177
04:11:27,524 --> 04:11:29,524
nicotine retailers.

7178
04:11:29,592 --> 04:11:32,996
To give you an example how it

7179
04:11:32,996 --> 04:11:34,998
affects public safety, we have

7180
04:11:34,998 --> 04:11:37,234
this concentration of people

7181
04:11:37,234 --> 04:11:40,404
where they can pretty much buy

7182
04:11:40,404 --> 04:11:42,706
all the articles they need to

7183
04:11:42,706 --> 04:11:44,706
use controlled substances.

7184
04:11:45,843 --> 04:11:46,309
Thus turning it into drug

7185
04:11:46,309 --> 04:11:48,309
paraphernalia.

7186
04:11:48,645 --> 04:11:49,946
It draws them in this area and

7187
04:11:49,946 --> 04:11:52,820
keeps them in this area.

7188
04:11:52,820 --> 04:11:54,784
We have drug traffickers that

7189
04:11:54,784 --> 04:11:56,553
know if they need to offload a

7190
04:11:56,553 --> 04:11:58,621
shipment of narcotics they can

7191
04:11:58,621 --> 04:11:59,890
go to the area and there will

7192
04:11:59,890 --> 04:12:02,290
always be individuals there

7193
04:12:03,426 --> 04:12:05,161
willing to buy.

7194
04:12:05,161 --> 04:12:07,130
When the drug traffickers are

7195
04:12:07,130 --> 04:12:09,966
making drug deals and it turns

7196
04:12:09,966 --> 04:12:12,268
bad, it turns to violent crime.

7197
04:12:12,268 --> 04:12:13,704
We have aggravated assaults and

7198
04:12:13,704 --> 04:12:15,639
robberies and homicides happen

7199
04:12:15,639 --> 04:12:17,600
in front of nicotine retailers.

7200
04:12:17,600 --> 04:12:20,677
In the event it does not turn

7201
04:12:20,677 --> 04:12:23,514
into a violent crime, then we

7202
04:12:23,514 --> 04:12:26,182
have situations where we have

7203
04:12:26,182 --> 04:12:28,485
pretty open-air drug use.

7204
04:12:28,485 --> 04:12:29,686
And another point that I bring

7205
04:12:29,686 --> 04:12:32,220
to that is at that point if it's

7206
04:12:32,220 --> 04:12:34,324
not law enforcement response,

7207
04:12:34,324 --> 04:12:35,425
I'd like to talk about how that

7208
04:12:35,425 --> 04:12:37,394
affects our department.

7209
04:12:37,394 --> 04:12:39,562
And we're also pulling resources

7210
04:12:39,562 --> 04:12:41,130
from community safety department

7211
04:12:41,130 --> 04:12:43,530
and albuquerque fire rescue.

7212
04:12:46,669 --> 04:12:46,970
I look at the amount of man

7213
04:12:46,970 --> 04:12:48,970
hours.

7214
04:12:49,440 --> 04:12:51,207
The time and officers it takes

7215
04:12:51,207 --> 04:12:53,644
to where when these officers are

7216
04:12:53,644 --> 04:12:56,112
driving by, they cannot turn

7217
04:12:56,112 --> 04:12:58,782
blind eye to open-air drug use.

7218
04:12:58,782 --> 04:12:59,916
They cannot turn a blind eye to

7219
04:12:59,916 --> 04:13:01,618
altercations that are turning

7220
04:13:01,618 --> 04:13:02,819
into aggravated assault.

7221
04:13:02,819 --> 04:13:05,155
They have to address that.

7222
04:13:05,155 --> 04:13:07,240
We call them on-site.

7223
04:13:07,240 --> 04:13:09,240
Proactive enforcement on-site.

7224
04:13:09,427 --> 04:13:11,828
I look at the volume of on-site,

7225
04:13:11,828 --> 04:13:13,828
particularly nicotine retailers,

7226
04:13:13,830 --> 04:13:15,830
in these concentrated

7227
04:13:17,600 --> 04:13:20,600
geographical areas, it takes up

7228
04:13:21,906 --> 04:13:24,541
a huge amount of resources.

7229
04:13:24,541 --> 04:13:24,941
That's just for the police

7230
04:13:24,941 --> 04:13:26,509
department.

7231
04:13:26,509 --> 04:13:28,178
I can't speak for exact numbers

7232
04:13:28,178 --> 04:13:30,810
for albuquerque fire rescue or

7233
04:13:30,810 --> 04:13:32,183
community safety, but again,

7234
04:13:32,183 --> 04:13:34,500
with the open-air drug use we

7235
04:13:34,500 --> 04:13:36,119
know it affects them because

7236
04:13:36,119 --> 04:13:38,855
they also do have to respond.

7237
04:13:38,855 --> 04:13:39,990
From a public safety standpoint,

7238
04:13:39,990 --> 04:13:43,590
obviously this is not going to

7239
04:13:44,662 --> 04:13:47,697
be the full fix to completely

7240
04:13:47,697 --> 04:13:48,932
eliminate crime and where we

7241
04:13:48,932 --> 04:13:50,900
have perfect public safety.

7242
04:13:50,900 --> 04:13:53,700
Any additional tools we can have

7243
04:13:53,700 --> 04:13:54,605
in the toolbox, whether it's the

7244
04:13:54,605 --> 04:13:57,500
distance between shops, whether

7245
04:13:57,374 --> 04:14:00,477
it's the timing to where once

7246
04:14:00,477 --> 04:14:01,644
that retailer is closed this

7247
04:14:01,644 --> 04:14:03,480
crowd of people isn't going to

7248
04:14:03,480 --> 04:14:06,884
be hanging out there and they

7249
04:14:06,884 --> 04:14:09,552
may be under the influence and

7250
04:14:09,552 --> 04:14:11,254
it turns into altercation that

7251
04:14:11,254 --> 04:14:11,989
turns into violent assault or

7252
04:14:11,989 --> 04:14:13,757
violent crime.

7253
04:14:13,757 --> 04:14:14,924
This is another tool for us to

7254
04:14:14,924 --> 04:14:16,726
combat that.

7255
04:14:16,726 --> 04:14:19,126
Obviously, on the police

7256
04:14:19,662 --> 04:14:21,564
department we are doing multiple

7257
04:14:21,564 --> 04:14:23,734
operations whether it's in the

7258
04:14:23,734 --> 04:14:25,535
nuisance front, covert

7259
04:14:25,535 --> 04:14:27,535
operations, overt, high

7260
04:14:27,704 --> 04:14:29,704
visibility patrol.

7261
04:14:29,940 --> 04:14:30,907
It's everyday work for us we're

7262
04:14:30,907 --> 04:14:32,907
willing to do.

7263
04:14:33,176 --> 04:14:35,780
Again, and feel with this

7264
04:14:35,780 --> 04:14:37,180
particular amendments that it

7265
04:14:37,180 --> 04:14:38,648
would -- like I said, it would

7266
04:14:38,648 --> 04:14:42,248
give us the additional tool in

7267
04:14:42,552 --> 04:14:45,552
the toolbox to keep public

7268
04:14:45,689 --> 04:14:46,489
safety.

7269
04:14:46,489 --> 04:14:47,570
>>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,

7270
04:14:47,570 --> 04:14:48,391
thank you, sir.

7271
04:14:48,391 --> 04:14:48,726
You described a pretty big

7272
04:14:48,726 --> 04:14:50,260
problem.

7273
04:14:50,260 --> 04:14:52,395
I can imagine the resources and

7274
04:14:52,395 --> 04:14:54,497
the challenges that the

7275
04:14:54,497 --> 04:14:56,232
department faces and certainly

7276
04:14:56,232 --> 04:14:56,566
afr faces as well in that

7277
04:14:56,566 --> 04:14:58,566
regard.

7278
04:15:02,338 --> 04:15:05,938
And as a community, we face.

7279
04:15:06,309 --> 04:15:09,746
This bill says that the problem

7280
04:15:09,746 --> 04:15:11,746
is these retailers.

7281
04:15:11,981 --> 04:15:14,981
The bill identifies the problem

7282
04:15:16,686 --> 04:15:19,155
as not the drug dealers, not the

7283
04:15:19,155 --> 04:15:22,155
people that are throwing shoes

7284
04:15:22,592 --> 04:15:24,260
over power lines, not the people

7285
04:15:24,260 --> 04:15:25,362
that are congregating in

7286
04:15:25,362 --> 04:15:27,362
different places.

7287
04:15:28,980 --> 04:15:30,800
This is a bill that says the

7288
04:15:30,800 --> 04:15:33,800
problem is a saturation of

7289
04:15:36,474 --> 04:15:38,700
cannabis retail stores and smoke

7290
04:15:38,700 --> 04:15:40,700
shops.

7291
04:15:40,410 --> 04:15:41,578
I know you gave a pretty good

7292
04:15:41,578 --> 04:15:42,812
description of all the

7293
04:15:42,812 --> 04:15:44,547
challenges, but you understand

7294
04:15:44,547 --> 04:15:46,160
that by supporting this bill and

7295
04:15:46,160 --> 04:15:48,284
saying this council needs to

7296
04:15:48,284 --> 04:15:50,654
support this bill, you're saying

7297
04:15:50,654 --> 04:15:50,987
that the problem is the retail

7298
04:15:50,987 --> 04:15:52,987
stores.

7299
04:15:53,256 --> 04:15:55,158
is that the case?

7300
04:15:55,158 --> 04:15:56,593
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

7301
04:15:56,593 --> 04:15:58,329
lewis, not entirely.

7302
04:15:58,329 --> 04:15:59,496
I understand your position.

7303
04:15:59,496 --> 04:16:01,896
It does make sense.

7304
04:16:03,366 --> 04:16:04,534
I think in totality, it's not

7305
04:16:04,534 --> 04:16:06,534
just the retailers.

7306
04:16:06,669 --> 04:16:07,700
It's not just the drug

7307
04:16:07,700 --> 04:16:08,739
traffickers.

7308
04:16:08,739 --> 04:16:10,206
It's not the area where, like I

7309
04:16:10,206 --> 04:16:12,420
said, there's several factors

7310
04:16:12,420 --> 04:16:12,576
that cause these individuals to

7311
04:16:12,576 --> 04:16:14,245
come there.

7312
04:16:14,245 --> 04:16:16,147
But when they're staying there,

7313
04:16:16,147 --> 04:16:16,479
we know where they're hanging

7314
04:16:16,479 --> 04:16:18,181
out.

7315
04:16:18,181 --> 04:16:21,181
I think in totality, it's

7316
04:16:21,951 --> 04:16:22,552
actually a combination of all of

7317
04:16:22,552 --> 04:16:24,552
the above.

7318
04:16:24,988 --> 04:16:28,240
I think as we look at each

7319
04:16:28,240 --> 04:16:29,793
causation factor, whether if it

7320
04:16:29,793 --> 04:16:32,462
is the drug traffickers or

7321
04:16:32,462 --> 04:16:35,310
retailers, by taking steps for

7322
04:16:35,310 --> 04:16:37,767
each of these root causes,

7323
04:16:37,767 --> 04:16:40,700
again, I think that will help us

7324
04:16:40,700 --> 04:16:42,338
in achieving public safety and

7325
04:16:42,338 --> 04:16:43,606
reducing the crime.

7326
04:16:43,606 --> 04:16:45,742
>>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,

7327
04:16:45,742 --> 04:16:46,142
sir, is it the nature of the

7328
04:16:46,142 --> 04:16:47,778
businesses?

7329
04:16:47,778 --> 04:16:50,413
We're not limiting the amount of

7330
04:16:50,413 --> 04:16:52,149
parks we have in this city.

7331
04:16:52,149 --> 04:16:54,549
Yet, there's people that

7332
04:16:54,985 --> 04:16:55,553
congregate in parks and commit

7333
04:16:55,553 --> 04:16:56,986
crimes.

7334
04:16:56,986 --> 04:17:01,186
So, is it the nature of these

7335
04:17:01,658 --> 04:17:02,260
types of businesses that are the

7336
04:17:02,260 --> 04:17:04,260
problem?

7337
04:17:04,662 --> 04:17:08,262
It's not -- for example, we

7338
04:17:14,170 --> 04:17:14,571
haven't pinpointed snowcone

7339
04:17:14,571 --> 04:17:16,571
restaurants.

7340
04:17:17,440 --> 04:17:17,775
It's the nature of the business,

7341
04:17:17,775 --> 04:17:19,542
correct?

7342
04:17:19,542 --> 04:17:20,910
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

7343
04:17:20,910 --> 04:17:23,245
lewis, if I understand your

7344
04:17:23,245 --> 04:17:25,645
question correctly, like I

7345
04:17:27,316 --> 04:17:28,651
stated earlier, I would consider

7346
04:17:28,651 --> 04:17:30,651
them outliers.

7347
04:17:31,321 --> 04:17:32,957
But there are nicotine retailers

7348
04:17:32,957 --> 04:17:35,392
in various parts of the city

7349
04:17:35,392 --> 04:17:37,927
that don't generate the type of

7350
04:17:37,927 --> 04:17:40,764
criminal element that we see.

7351
04:17:40,764 --> 04:17:43,365
Again, just for those reasons,

7352
04:17:43,365 --> 04:17:45,436
when we have -- especially in

7353
04:17:45,436 --> 04:17:47,269
several of the districts along

7354
04:17:47,269 --> 04:17:48,905
our central avenue corridor.

7355
04:17:48,905 --> 04:17:50,373
When we just have that

7356
04:17:50,373 --> 04:17:53,373
concentrated amount of people --

7357
04:17:54,760 --> 04:17:57,479
just a high volume of people --

7358
04:17:57,479 --> 04:17:58,248
these are the properties that we

7359
04:17:58,248 --> 04:18:00,248
have crime.

7360
04:18:00,283 --> 04:18:02,850
Violent crime and open-air drug

7361
04:18:02,850 --> 04:18:04,860
usage which leads to a myriad of

7362
04:18:04,860 --> 04:18:05,121
other issues.

7363
04:18:05,121 --> 04:18:08,910
Again, I don't know if that

7364
04:18:08,910 --> 04:18:08,425
answers your question, councilor

7365
04:18:08,425 --> 04:18:09,226
lewis.

7366
04:18:09,226 --> 04:18:09,694
>>coun. Lewis: I appreciate it,

7367
04:18:09,694 --> 04:18:11,194
MADAM PRESIDENT.

7368
04:18:11,194 --> 04:18:12,463
I appreciate it.

7369
04:18:12,463 --> 04:18:13,563
I think you're doing your best

7370
04:18:13,563 --> 04:18:15,320
to answer the question.

7371
04:18:15,320 --> 04:18:16,366
The answer is clear.

7372
04:18:16,366 --> 04:18:19,966
I think you guys identified the

7373
04:18:20,371 --> 04:18:22,106
nature of certain businesses.

7374
04:18:22,106 --> 04:18:22,639
I would -- I'm not disagreeing

7375
04:18:22,639 --> 04:18:23,873
with you.

7376
04:18:23,873 --> 04:18:25,800
I would argue some of the most

7377
04:18:25,800 --> 04:18:28,800
crime that happens in my

7378
04:18:32,916 --> 04:18:34,984
district is around several bars.

7379
04:18:34,984 --> 04:18:37,530
The most calls happen in that

7380
04:18:37,530 --> 04:18:39,357
few blocks around those areas.

7381
04:18:39,357 --> 04:18:41,191
There's a part of me that wants

7382
04:18:41,191 --> 04:18:43,591
to protect businesses and

7383
04:18:44,995 --> 04:18:47,430
people's ability to do in this

7384
04:18:47,430 --> 04:18:49,165
city that they're given a right

7385
04:18:49,165 --> 04:18:51,340
to do under state law to protect

7386
04:18:51,340 --> 04:18:53,204
people from being picked on.

7387
04:18:53,204 --> 04:18:54,437
In the same way I would five

7388
04:18:54,437 --> 04:18:56,837
metal businesses that have

7389
04:18:57,140 --> 04:18:59,420
legitimate businesses that are

7390
04:18:59,420 --> 04:19:00,977
retailers for certain

7391
04:19:00,977 --> 04:19:02,977
commodities and metals.

7392
04:19:05,810 --> 04:19:07,118
I do find it interesting also

7393
04:19:07,118 --> 04:19:10,118
that we're saying the smoke

7394
04:19:10,787 --> 04:19:13,923
shops a lot, yet this is a bill

7395
04:19:13,923 --> 04:19:14,257
that limits the cannabis retail

7396
04:19:14,257 --> 04:19:16,257
stores.

7397
04:19:18,628 --> 04:19:22,228
And my guess is that the

7398
04:19:24,434 --> 04:19:26,770
cannabis lobby is for this bill.

7399
04:19:26,770 --> 04:19:28,872
it sounds like it because

7400
04:19:28,872 --> 04:19:30,874
they're saturated and they know

7401
04:19:30,874 --> 04:19:33,274
they're saturated and it's

7402
04:19:33,677 --> 04:19:34,780
hurting their profits and

7403
04:19:34,780 --> 04:19:36,780
businesses.

7404
04:19:36,146 --> 04:19:38,148
So this is a way to do that.

7405
04:19:38,148 --> 04:19:40,116
When you come from a moral

7406
04:19:40,116 --> 04:19:40,950
standpoint, I'm falling on both

7407
04:19:40,950 --> 04:19:42,950
sides of this.

7408
04:19:44,120 --> 04:19:44,621
This is a bill -- I think it's

7409
04:19:44,621 --> 04:19:46,621
misrepresented.

7410
04:19:47,910 --> 04:19:49,592
I think even some in the public

7411
04:19:49,592 --> 04:19:53,464
here tonight feel like this is a

7412
04:19:53,464 --> 04:19:54,798
bill restricting the cannabis

7413
04:19:54,798 --> 04:19:56,990
industry, when in reality I

7414
04:19:56,990 --> 04:19:58,435
think they're behind it.

7415
04:19:58,435 --> 04:20:00,204
And they see this as an

7416
04:20:00,204 --> 04:20:00,837
advantage for this industry to

7417
04:20:00,837 --> 04:20:02,837
be stronger.

7418
04:20:03,640 --> 04:20:05,175
The ones that have the licenses

7419
04:20:05,175 --> 04:20:06,810
and have that ability, they're

7420
04:20:06,810 --> 04:20:08,712
going to get stronger when they

7421
04:20:08,712 --> 04:20:10,681
eliminate more and more

7422
04:20:10,681 --> 04:20:11,314
saturation and other competition

7423
04:20:11,314 --> 04:20:13,314
around them.

7424
04:20:15,520 --> 04:20:16,219
I do think we should be cloor --

7425
04:20:16,219 --> 04:20:16,920
clear what this bill says the

7426
04:20:16,920 --> 04:20:18,920
problem is.

7427
04:20:21,524 --> 04:20:23,593
The bill says the problem is

7428
04:20:23,593 --> 04:20:26,593
cannabis and smoke shops that

7429
04:20:27,964 --> 04:20:28,431
are the problem for crime in our

7430
04:20:28,431 --> 04:20:30,431
city.

7431
04:20:32,350 --> 04:20:35,400
Again, I think I'm going to be

7432
04:20:35,400 --> 04:20:37,404
consistent with misguided bills

7433
04:20:37,440 --> 04:20:38,375
like this that actually go

7434
04:20:38,375 --> 04:20:40,276
after -- they identify the

7435
04:20:40,276 --> 04:20:43,113
problem as the retail stores.

7436
04:20:43,113 --> 04:20:44,382
Dwlng -- I think the problem is

7437
04:20:44,382 --> 04:20:45,949
the drug dealers and the crime

7438
04:20:45,949 --> 04:20:47,517
that happens and the behaviors

7439
04:20:47,517 --> 04:20:48,952
of the people that happen.

7440
04:20:48,952 --> 04:20:50,860
Not only around these shops but

7441
04:20:50,860 --> 04:20:51,540
bars and every other place

7442
04:20:51,540 --> 04:20:53,540
around our city.

7443
04:20:55,792 --> 04:20:56,526
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

7444
04:20:56,526 --> 04:20:57,293
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor baca.

7445
04:20:57,293 --> 04:20:57,660
>>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

7446
04:20:57,660 --> 04:20:59,429
PRESIDENT.

7447
04:20:59,429 --> 04:21:01,829
Just three quick things.

7448
04:21:01,931 --> 04:21:03,733
One, I got some sneakers hanging

7449
04:21:03,733 --> 04:21:06,136
from the power lines at 8th and

7450
04:21:06,136 --> 04:21:08,405
central if we can do something

7451
04:21:08,405 --> 04:21:10,405
about that.

7452
04:21:10,540 --> 04:21:10,940
Two, am I reading this

7453
04:21:10,940 --> 04:21:12,940
correctly?

7454
04:21:13,410 --> 04:21:16,410
The hour restrictions are only

7455
04:21:17,514 --> 04:21:17,881
for the nicotine and not the

7456
04:21:17,881 --> 04:21:19,881
cannabis?

7457
04:21:20,785 --> 04:21:24,385
That's the way I read it.

7458
04:21:28,692 --> 04:21:30,427
Or are they both being limited?

7459
04:21:30,427 --> 04:21:31,895
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

7460
04:21:31,895 --> 04:21:34,895
baca, in the amendment we're

7461
04:21:35,799 --> 04:21:37,600
talking about nicotine retail.

7462
04:21:37,600 --> 04:21:41,200
But it does summarize that the

7463
04:21:41,271 --> 04:21:43,671
cannabis retail is prohibited

7464
04:21:44,875 --> 04:21:45,608
between 11:00 P.M. To 7:00 P.M.

7465
04:21:45,608 --> 04:21:47,410
>>coun. Baca: okay.

7466
04:21:47,410 --> 04:21:49,513
My first thing was to make an

7467
04:21:49,513 --> 04:21:51,213
amendment to put cannabis as the

7468
04:21:51,213 --> 04:21:53,216
same hours as nicotine.

7469
04:21:53,216 --> 04:21:54,884
Separate from this bill, I had

7470
04:21:54,884 --> 04:21:56,319
cannabis retailers to reach out

7471
04:21:56,319 --> 04:21:56,619
to ask me to do something like

7472
04:21:56,619 --> 04:21:58,619
that.

7473
04:21:59,689 --> 04:22:00,256
There's a whole story behind

7474
04:22:00,256 --> 04:22:01,858
that.

7475
04:22:01,858 --> 04:22:04,428
This will put cannabis on the

7476
04:22:04,428 --> 04:22:04,728
same footing as nicotine, hours

7477
04:22:04,728 --> 04:22:05,429
wise?

7478
04:22:05,429 --> 04:22:07,429
>> yes.

7479
04:22:07,431 --> 04:22:08,131
>>coun. Baca: okay.

7480
04:22:08,131 --> 04:22:08,899
Thank you.

7481
04:22:08,899 --> 04:22:09,265
>>coun. Pe}a: vice PRESIDENT

7482
04:22:09,265 --> 04:22:10,334
Champine.

7483
04:22:10,334 --> 04:22:10,867
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

7484
04:22:10,867 --> 04:22:12,867
MADAM PRESIDENT.

7485
04:22:16,374 --> 04:22:19,974
Just a couple of quick things.

7486
04:22:22,712 --> 04:22:25,712
Dc, don't get me wrong.

7487
04:22:26,149 --> 04:22:28,385
Your explanation of what's going

7488
04:22:28,385 --> 04:22:29,185
on, I interpret it as shooting

7489
04:22:29,185 --> 04:22:31,585
fish in a barrel.

7490
04:22:31,888 --> 04:22:35,760
If you know where they are, and

7491
04:22:35,760 --> 04:22:38,760
you know they congregate in

7492
04:22:39,864 --> 04:22:42,864
these places on central, why

7493
04:22:43,433 --> 04:22:43,700
aren't prt teams hitting them

7494
04:22:43,700 --> 04:22:45,700
up?

7495
04:22:47,300 --> 04:22:48,304
I see you have a plan, you hit

7496
04:22:48,304 --> 04:22:49,372
these areas up.

7497
04:22:49,372 --> 04:22:50,940
You don't sit there.

7498
04:22:50,940 --> 04:22:53,340
I'm not pinpointing you.

7499
04:22:53,744 --> 04:22:56,713
yipe pinpointing the fact, if

7500
04:22:56,713 --> 04:22:57,714
you know where the crime is, hit

7501
04:22:57,714 --> 04:22:59,482
it up.

7502
04:22:59,482 --> 04:23:01,840
We shouldn't change a whole city

7503
04:23:01,840 --> 04:23:01,785
ordinance based on the fact of

7504
04:23:01,785 --> 04:23:03,785
that corridor.

7505
04:23:14,265 --> 04:23:16,265
I disagree

7506
04:23:16,433 --> 04:23:18,268
you should be, in your

7507
04:23:18,268 --> 04:23:20,668
explanation or definition, you

7508
04:23:20,770 --> 04:23:21,370
already know what the problem

7509
04:23:21,370 --> 04:23:23,370
is.

7510
04:23:24,374 --> 04:23:26,374
There are laws.

7511
04:23:34,284 --> 04:23:37,884
Conduct -- conduct -- the plume

7512
04:23:38,220 --> 04:23:41,220
of it is I'm torn.

7513
04:23:41,491 --> 04:23:42,392
I do agree to the high schoolers

7514
04:23:42,392 --> 04:23:44,392
that are here.

7515
04:23:44,929 --> 04:23:48,998
I agree that the buffer zone for

7516
04:23:48,998 --> 04:23:50,800
schools from 300 to 30 feet,

7517
04:23:50,800 --> 04:23:52,102
that's a city block.

7518
04:23:52,102 --> 04:23:52,436
I don't think a city block is

7519
04:23:52,436 --> 04:23:54,436
enough.

7520
04:23:55,238 --> 04:23:56,940
It presents a question, do you

7521
04:23:56,940 --> 04:23:58,475
do it three city blocks or four

7522
04:23:58,475 --> 04:24:00,243
city blocks?

7523
04:24:00,243 --> 04:24:01,911
Now we're pinpointing small

7524
04:24:01,911 --> 04:24:03,911
businesses in town.

7525
04:24:05,882 --> 04:24:06,249
I know there's a cvs next to

7526
04:24:06,249 --> 04:24:07,784
eldorado.

7527
04:24:07,784 --> 04:24:09,784
They sell cigarettes.

7528
04:24:10,200 --> 04:24:11,821
Are we going to go after big box

7529
04:24:11,821 --> 04:24:13,256
stores in that sense to say you

7530
04:24:13,256 --> 04:24:14,558
can't sell cigarettes so close

7531
04:24:14,558 --> 04:24:16,558
to a school?

7532
04:24:17,260 --> 04:24:20,860
I'm torn between the fact that

7533
04:24:20,964 --> 04:24:24,564
we should be, I think, expanding

7534
04:24:26,569 --> 04:24:28,371
the buffer zone around schools,

7535
04:24:28,371 --> 04:24:30,371
daycare, churches.

7536
04:24:31,241 --> 04:24:32,509
But I have a real big problem

7537
04:24:32,509 --> 04:24:35,278
with trying to say that the

7538
04:24:35,278 --> 04:24:37,678
store is the issue.

7539
04:24:42,520 --> 04:24:42,852
That if we expand the -- like

7540
04:24:42,852 --> 04:24:44,454
councilor lewis said, the

7541
04:24:44,454 --> 04:24:46,157
problem is criminals.

7542
04:24:46,157 --> 04:24:48,558
The problem isn't the stores.

7543
04:24:48,558 --> 04:24:51,262
The problem is the enforcement

7544
04:24:51,262 --> 04:24:53,963
of the criminals going on.

7545
04:24:53,963 --> 04:24:55,963
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

7546
04:24:56,266 --> 04:24:58,234
champine, would I be able to

7547
04:24:58,234 --> 04:24:59,370
provide commentary?

7548
04:24:59,370 --> 04:25:00,970
>>coun. Champine: please.

7549
04:25:00,970 --> 04:25:02,172
>> I completely understand what

7550
04:25:02,172 --> 04:25:04,172
you're saying.

7551
04:25:04,641 --> 04:25:07,644
I would point out that I did

7552
04:25:07,644 --> 04:25:09,480
personally look at data from

7553
04:25:09,480 --> 04:25:10,314
some big box stores and also

7554
04:25:10,314 --> 04:25:12,480
liquor stores.

7555
04:25:12,480 --> 04:25:15,319
There are big box stores that

7556
04:25:15,319 --> 04:25:18,288
have a high higher call volume

7557
04:25:18,288 --> 04:25:19,923
than nicotine retailers.

7558
04:25:19,923 --> 04:25:21,391
I look at the breakdown for what

7559
04:25:21,391 --> 04:25:23,927
the calls for service are.

7560
04:25:23,927 --> 04:25:26,927
Lot of them are shoplifting.

7561
04:25:27,497 --> 04:25:29,466
Lot are disturbances.

7562
04:25:29,466 --> 04:25:31,835
Versus, even though there's such

7563
04:25:31,835 --> 04:25:33,636
a high call volume, the rate of

7564
04:25:33,636 --> 04:25:34,938
violent crimes happening or

7565
04:25:34,938 --> 04:25:36,506
on-sites that take us out of

7566
04:25:36,506 --> 04:25:39,506
service to where we can't

7567
04:25:39,510 --> 04:25:41,910
respond to 911 calls because

7568
04:25:43,480 --> 04:25:46,480
we're doing that work, you

7569
04:25:46,984 --> 04:25:48,618
compare that to nicotine

7570
04:25:48,618 --> 04:25:51,180
retailers, even though retailers

7571
04:25:51,187 --> 04:25:53,560
MAY not have the same exact high

7572
04:25:53,560 --> 04:25:54,824
call volume, there's a

7573
04:25:54,824 --> 04:25:57,694
difference in the type of calls.

7574
04:25:57,694 --> 04:25:59,963
It's clear, clear as day, the

7575
04:25:59,963 --> 04:26:01,398
calls more at had nicotine

7576
04:26:01,398 --> 04:26:02,832
resellers in the areas I

7577
04:26:02,832 --> 04:26:05,232
described are violent crimes

7578
04:26:05,502 --> 04:26:06,703
that's happening.

7579
04:26:06,703 --> 04:26:10,207
Something I would also talk to

7580
04:26:10,207 --> 04:26:11,608
you about is prt -- I know you

7581
04:26:11,608 --> 04:26:14,608
experienced to back it up.

7582
04:26:14,745 --> 04:26:17,145
We're there every day.

7583
04:26:17,447 --> 04:26:20,447
We're seizing guns every day.

7584
04:26:20,584 --> 04:26:21,384
We're making felonious arrests

7585
04:26:21,384 --> 04:26:23,384
every day.

7586
04:26:23,386 --> 04:26:26,556
The way it's going now, that's

7587
04:26:26,556 --> 04:26:27,189
pretty much going to be every

7588
04:26:27,189 --> 04:26:29,189
day.

7589
04:26:29,325 --> 04:26:31,961
Again, I don't believe that this

7590
04:26:31,961 --> 04:26:32,262
is going to be the solve-all

7591
04:26:32,262 --> 04:26:33,664
tool.

7592
04:26:33,664 --> 04:26:36,990
This is just the additional tool

7593
04:26:36,990 --> 04:26:39,699
to help get us there for

7594
04:26:40,403 --> 04:26:41,337
long-term sustainable solution.

7595
04:26:41,337 --> 04:26:43,606
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: point of

7596
04:26:43,606 --> 04:26:44,174
order, are we still on the

7597
04:26:44,174 --> 04:26:45,410
amendment?

7598
04:26:45,410 --> 04:26:45,675
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

7599
04:26:45,675 --> 04:26:47,100
>>coun. Champine: MADAM

7600
04:26:47,100 --> 04:26:48,678
PRESIDENT, I need to make a

7601
04:26:48,678 --> 04:26:51,881
motion, while I have the floor,

7602
04:26:51,881 --> 04:26:54,150
to suspend the rules.

7603
04:26:54,150 --> 04:26:56,150
To tengsd

7604
04:26:57,987 --> 04:26:58,455
extend the meeting until

7605
04:26:58,455 --> 04:26:59,560
midnight.

7606
04:26:59,560 --> 04:27:00,957
>>coun. Pe}a: second.

7607
04:27:00,957 --> 04:27:02,957
[Roll call].

7608
04:27:03,961 --> 04:27:05,662
>>coun. Baca: no.

7609
04:27:05,662 --> 04:27:07,263
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

7610
04:27:07,263 --> 04:27:09,263
>>coun. Champine: yes.

7611
04:27:09,632 --> 04:27:11,468
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

7612
04:27:11,468 --> 04:27:13,468
>>coun. Grout: yes.

7613
04:27:14,704 --> 04:27:16,704
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

7614
04:27:16,906 --> 04:27:18,906
>>coun. Rogers: no.

7615
04:27:18,975 --> 04:27:19,743
>>coun. Telles: yes.

7616
04:27:19,743 --> 04:27:22,110
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

7617
04:27:22,110 --> 04:27:23,146
>> passes on a 7-2 vote.

7618
04:27:23,146 --> 04:27:23,447
>>coun. Champine: back to my

7619
04:27:23,447 --> 04:27:25,150
point.

7620
04:27:25,150 --> 04:27:27,415
Thank you for that.

7621
04:27:29,652 --> 04:27:31,488
I see what you're saying.

7622
04:27:31,488 --> 04:27:33,990
How do we -- anything that can

7623
04:27:33,990 --> 04:27:37,694
help us solve this or help in

7624
04:27:37,694 --> 04:27:39,930
solving crime is a benefit.

7625
04:27:39,930 --> 04:27:40,297
I don't think this is the right

7626
04:27:40,297 --> 04:27:41,531
direction.

7627
04:27:41,531 --> 04:27:41,998
I think there's another way of

7628
04:27:41,998 --> 04:27:43,998
doing it.

7629
04:27:44,350 --> 04:27:46,236
I think we should explore that,

7630
04:27:46,236 --> 04:27:48,236
then go after

7631
04:27:51,341 --> 04:27:52,877
I think we should explore that

7632
04:27:52,877 --> 04:27:53,276
rather than go after small

7633
04:27:53,276 --> 04:27:54,244
businesses.

7634
04:27:54,244 --> 04:27:55,745
>>coun. Rogers: I'm going to ask

7635
04:27:55,745 --> 04:27:58,381
my questions before we get to

7636
04:27:58,381 --> 04:27:59,582
the discussion on the bill.

7637
04:27:59,582 --> 04:28:02,582
In the explanation of the

7638
04:28:03,386 --> 04:28:04,821
amendment it says it adds

7639
04:28:04,821 --> 04:28:06,756
restriction for nicotine and

7640
04:28:06,756 --> 04:28:08,291
other primary locations.

7641
04:28:08,291 --> 04:28:09,590
It doesn't mention cannabis in

7642
04:28:09,590 --> 04:28:10,460
the explanation.

7643
04:28:10,460 --> 04:28:11,628
I know I heard councilor grout

7644
04:28:11,628 --> 04:28:13,630
say that -- what is the

7645
04:28:13,630 --> 04:28:13,397
restriction for cannabis for

7646
04:28:13,397 --> 04:28:14,865
hours?

7647
04:28:14,865 --> 04:28:19,650
They have to close by what time

7648
04:28:19,402 --> 04:28:20,470
now?

7649
04:28:20,470 --> 04:28:22,470
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

7650
04:28:23,740 --> 04:28:25,410
rogers, they have to close by

7651
04:28:25,410 --> 04:28:27,410
11:00 P.M.

7652
04:28:27,444 --> 04:28:29,279
>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

7653
04:28:29,279 --> 04:28:32,382
Is that in a different ordinance

7654
04:28:32,382 --> 04:28:32,916
or we're adding it in this

7655
04:28:32,916 --> 04:28:34,484
amendment?

7656
04:28:34,484 --> 04:28:37,420
The explanation threw me off.

7657
04:28:37,420 --> 04:28:39,923
It says it adds it for nicotine

7658
04:28:39,923 --> 04:28:40,323
retailers and other retail

7659
04:28:40,323 --> 04:28:42,580
locations.

7660
04:28:42,580 --> 04:28:42,359
I just want to make sure -- I'm

7661
04:28:42,359 --> 04:28:43,593
tired.

7662
04:28:43,593 --> 04:28:44,928
That's why I vote no.

7663
04:28:44,928 --> 04:28:47,264
My brain shuts off.

7664
04:28:47,264 --> 04:28:50,700
I just want to make sure.

7665
04:28:50,700 --> 04:28:52,700
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

7666
04:28:53,603 --> 04:28:55,472
rogers, it's separately in the

7667
04:28:55,472 --> 04:28:56,639
rules that govern the cannabis

7668
04:28:56,639 --> 04:28:58,639
retail businesses.

7669
04:29:00,777 --> 04:29:02,712
It is not part ido, but the only

7670
04:29:02,712 --> 04:29:03,847
language part of the ido is

7671
04:29:03,847 --> 04:29:04,714
nicotine retail.

7672
04:29:04,714 --> 04:29:07,117
>>coun. Rogers: that's not in

7673
04:29:07,117 --> 04:29:11,317
our ido, but part of the state

7674
04:29:12,456 --> 04:29:16,560
law they have to close by 11:00

7675
04:29:17,600 --> 04:29:19,600
P.M.?

7676
04:29:19,763 --> 04:29:21,763
P.M.?

7677
04:29:22,990 --> 04:29:24,634
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, it's a set

7678
04:29:24,634 --> 04:29:26,337
of rules promulgated by the

7679
04:29:26,337 --> 04:29:28,337
planning department in 2022

7680
04:29:33,276 --> 04:29:34,411
after the state law was enacted.

7681
04:29:34,411 --> 04:29:36,811
>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

7682
04:29:38,548 --> 04:29:38,948
>>coun. Pe}a: we are back on the

7683
04:29:38,948 --> 04:29:40,116
amendment.

7684
04:29:40,116 --> 04:29:42,516
Committee amendment number one.

7685
04:29:44,387 --> 04:29:46,787
Councilor grout to close.

7686
04:29:47,257 --> 04:29:47,658
>>coun. Grout: thank you for the

7687
04:29:47,658 --> 04:29:49,658
discussion.

7688
04:29:52,629 --> 04:29:56,829
I know this is a tough one.

7689
04:29:57,168 --> 04:29:58,735
Apd, afr, acs, public safety

7690
04:29:58,735 --> 04:29:59,690
department, they asked for these

7691
04:29:59,690 --> 04:30:00,870
things.

7692
04:30:00,870 --> 04:30:01,237
Again we worked with the

7693
04:30:01,237 --> 04:30:03,237
industry.

7694
04:30:03,440 --> 04:30:04,507
And we came up with these to

7695
04:30:04,507 --> 04:30:07,507
compromise for all of these.

7696
04:30:08,278 --> 04:30:10,413
We want to make sure that they

7697
04:30:10,413 --> 04:30:10,714
are the same distances and so

7698
04:30:10,714 --> 04:30:12,515
forth.

7699
04:30:12,515 --> 04:30:12,816
and they are under a thousand

7700
04:30:12,816 --> 04:30:14,816
feet.

7701
04:30:15,885 --> 04:30:18,285
I urge your support.

7702
04:30:20,257 --> 04:30:22,257
[Roll call].

7703
04:30:23,360 --> 04:30:25,360
>>coun. Baca: yes.

7704
04:30:25,895 --> 04:30:27,895
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

7705
04:30:28,365 --> 04:30:30,365
>>coun. Champine: no.

7706
04:30:31,167 --> 04:30:33,167
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: no.

7707
04:30:33,403 --> 04:30:35,403
>>coun. Grout: yes.

7708
04:30:35,839 --> 04:30:37,839
>>coun. Lewis: no.

7709
04:30:38,876 --> 04:30:40,410
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

7710
04:30:40,410 --> 04:30:41,111
>>coun. Telles: no.

7711
04:30:41,111 --> 04:30:43,511
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

7712
04:30:47,751 --> 04:30:48,952
>> fails on a 4-5 vote.

7713
04:30:48,952 --> 04:30:49,252
>>coun. Pe}a: we're back on the

7714
04:30:49,252 --> 04:30:51,540
bill.

7715
04:30:51,540 --> 04:30:52,956
It was not amended.

7716
04:30:52,956 --> 04:30:53,591
Is that the last amendment,

7717
04:30:53,591 --> 04:30:54,158
councilor grout?

7718
04:30:54,158 --> 04:30:56,158
Yes, it is.

7719
04:30:57,828 --> 04:31:00,597
We're back on the bill.

7720
04:31:00,597 --> 04:31:00,998
Do we have any questions from

7721
04:31:00,998 --> 04:31:01,565
councilors?

7722
04:31:01,565 --> 04:31:03,467
Councilor fiebelkorn.

7723
04:31:03,467 --> 04:31:04,568
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

7724
04:31:04,568 --> 04:31:05,769
MADAM PRESIDENT.

7725
04:31:05,769 --> 04:31:07,871
Unfortunately, I asked a lot of

7726
04:31:07,871 --> 04:31:09,272
these questions at the

7727
04:31:09,272 --> 04:31:11,509
hearing -- the committee hearing

7728
04:31:11,509 --> 04:31:14,245
where this bill was killed.

7729
04:31:14,245 --> 04:31:15,412
And didn't get any answers.

7730
04:31:15,412 --> 04:31:16,246
I'm going to have to ask them

7731
04:31:16,246 --> 04:31:17,814
all again here.

7732
04:31:17,814 --> 04:31:19,750
This could have been solved.

7733
04:31:19,750 --> 04:31:20,518
I was promised a lot of data at

7734
04:31:20,518 --> 04:31:22,518
that committee meeting.

7735
04:31:23,320 --> 04:31:25,755
Not a single thing in the seven

7736
04:31:25,755 --> 04:31:26,923
and a half weeks since I was

7737
04:31:26,923 --> 04:31:28,324
promised this information have I

7738
04:31:28,324 --> 04:31:30,324
received any information.

7739
04:31:32,328 --> 04:31:32,662
So, we're going to start from

7740
04:31:32,662 --> 04:31:34,662
scratch.

7741
04:31:36,333 --> 04:31:38,350
I am curious why -- I totally

7742
04:31:38,350 --> 04:31:40,350
understand the distance

7743
04:31:41,603 --> 04:31:42,572
separation for church s

7744
04:31:42,572 --> 04:31:44,107
es and

7745
04:31:44,107 --> 04:31:45,842
things like that.

7746
04:31:45,842 --> 04:31:47,278
What this bill does that is

7747
04:31:47,278 --> 04:31:49,145
completely new to our entire

7748
04:31:49,145 --> 04:31:51,915
system of regulations for the

7749
04:31:51,915 --> 04:31:54,317
city of albuquerque is it says

7750
04:31:54,317 --> 04:31:57,887
one kind of business can't be

7751
04:31:57,887 --> 04:32:00,287
near a completely unrelated

7752
04:32:01,191 --> 04:32:02,626
different kind of business.

7753
04:32:02,626 --> 04:32:05,626
Just to say that again.

7754
04:32:05,663 --> 04:32:08,310
It is saying one business cannot

7755
04:32:08,310 --> 04:32:10,367
be near a completely different

7756
04:32:10,367 --> 04:32:12,367
type of business.

7757
04:32:13,337 --> 04:32:16,240
It's like saying, you can't have

7758
04:32:16,240 --> 04:32:18,700
a gym near a fastfood joint.

7759
04:32:18,700 --> 04:32:19,810
I wouldn't propose that, even

7760
04:32:19,810 --> 04:32:20,244
though it would be helpful to

7761
04:32:20,244 --> 04:32:22,244
me.

7762
04:32:23,113 --> 04:32:24,790
Because what I think -- what my

7763
04:32:24,790 --> 04:32:26,384
morals are don't matter.

7764
04:32:26,384 --> 04:32:27,718
And when I ask these questions

7765
04:32:27,718 --> 04:32:29,352
at the last committee meeting,

7766
04:32:29,352 --> 04:32:30,787
why this was coming forward, the

7767
04:32:30,787 --> 04:32:31,521
answer we heard loud and strong

7768
04:32:31,521 --> 04:32:33,390
from the administration is

7769
04:32:33,390 --> 04:32:35,790
because we said so.

7770
04:32:36,326 --> 04:32:39,926
And that is not a legitimate

7771
04:32:40,964 --> 04:32:41,998
reason to regulate anybody in

7772
04:32:41,998 --> 04:32:43,800
our city.

7773
04:32:43,800 --> 04:32:46,800
I'm going to ask again.

7774
04:32:47,704 --> 04:32:48,605
Why have we chosen these two

7775
04:32:48,605 --> 04:32:50,240
types of business to require

7776
04:32:50,240 --> 04:32:53,840
that they can't be near each

7777
04:32:56,514 --> 04:32:58,782
other, which really means that a

7778
04:32:58,782 --> 04:33:00,685
cigar shop, which I've never

7779
04:33:00,685 --> 04:33:02,786
heard problems with a cigar

7780
04:33:02,786 --> 04:33:05,560
shop, can't be located near a

7781
04:33:05,560 --> 04:33:06,556
cannabis shop.

7782
04:33:06,556 --> 04:33:08,556
Different clientele.

7783
04:33:10,727 --> 04:33:11,280
I can tell you, I go to cannabis

7784
04:33:11,280 --> 04:33:13,280
shops.

7785
04:33:14,865 --> 04:33:16,267
My parent goes to cigar shops.

7786
04:33:16,267 --> 04:33:18,301
They're not the same people.

7787
04:33:18,301 --> 04:33:21,301
Rather than choosing bars or

7788
04:33:22,939 --> 04:33:25,275
liquor sales, why have we chosen

7789
04:33:25,275 --> 04:33:27,675
cannabis retail and tobacco

7790
04:33:29,713 --> 04:33:31,713
retail?

7791
04:33:33,316 --> 04:33:35,316
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

7792
04:33:35,752 --> 04:33:36,520
fiebelkorn,

7793
04:33:36,520 --> 04:33:38,520
--

7794
04:33:42,125 --> 04:33:42,525
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: my name is

7795
04:33:42,525 --> 04:33:44,427
fiebelkorn.

7796
04:33:44,427 --> 04:33:45,428
>> what we have looked at is

7797
04:33:45,428 --> 04:33:45,795
concentration for calls of

7798
04:33:45,795 --> 04:33:47,795
services.

7799
04:33:47,864 --> 04:33:50,700
when we look at concentration of

7800
04:33:50,700 --> 04:33:52,770
types of businesses that are in

7801
04:33:52,770 --> 04:33:55,170
close proximity, the discussion

7802
04:33:56,107 --> 04:33:57,608
we had is not necessarily

7803
04:33:57,608 --> 04:33:59,608
causation but correlation.

7804
04:33:59,776 --> 04:34:02,946
The mapping of the crime and cad

7805
04:34:02,946 --> 04:34:04,748
data we looked at indicates that

7806
04:34:04,748 --> 04:34:07,584
when you have two types of

7807
04:34:07,584 --> 04:34:07,951
businesses that are already

7808
04:34:07,951 --> 04:34:08,986
regulated

7809
04:34:08,986 --> 04:34:10,487
regulated.

7810
04:34:10,487 --> 04:34:12,789
Nicotine is regulated through

7811
04:34:12,789 --> 04:34:13,590
ido and cannabis through rule 19

7812
04:34:13,590 --> 04:34:15,590
in state law.

7813
04:34:18,295 --> 04:34:20,563
We can see the correlation of

7814
04:34:20,563 --> 04:34:22,298
that in density in locations.

7815
04:34:22,298 --> 04:34:25,269
This is not targeting in a way

7816
04:34:25,269 --> 04:34:28,869
that is intended based upon the

7817
04:34:29,539 --> 04:34:31,908
individual folks that are using

7818
04:34:31,908 --> 04:34:33,777
these businesses for lawful use

7819
04:34:33,777 --> 04:34:35,512
and the types of activities that

7820
04:34:35,512 --> 04:34:37,447
you're describing.

7821
04:34:37,447 --> 04:34:40,650
What we're talking about is the

7822
04:34:40,650 --> 04:34:42,185
type of activities we know are

7823
04:34:42,185 --> 04:34:44,187
occurring in this business.

7824
04:34:44,187 --> 04:34:45,854
The paraphernalia and other

7825
04:34:45,854 --> 04:34:48,792
items utilized for other types

7826
04:34:48,792 --> 04:34:49,993
of use that are not the original

7827
04:34:49,993 --> 04:34:50,393
intended use of these

7828
04:34:50,393 --> 04:34:51,529
businesses.

7829
04:34:51,529 --> 04:34:54,398
This is not related to

7830
04:34:54,398 --> 04:34:57,398
businesses that are not nicotine

7831
04:34:57,535 --> 04:34:59,935
primary businesses as well.

7832
04:35:00,538 --> 04:35:01,237
To the question around cvs and

7833
04:35:01,237 --> 04:35:02,539
others.

7834
04:35:02,539 --> 04:35:04,740
There are specific rules that

7835
04:35:04,740 --> 04:35:07,674
put a husband into that kaality

7836
04:35:12,450 --> 04:35:13,250
.

7837
04:35:13,250 --> 04:35:14,417
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I am aware

7838
04:35:14,417 --> 04:35:14,951
this does not affect large

7839
04:35:14,951 --> 04:35:16,620
businesses.

7840
04:35:16,620 --> 04:35:19,957
We would never pass an ordinance

7841
04:35:19,957 --> 04:35:24,157
in our city that would say, hey,

7842
04:35:25,428 --> 04:35:27,428
cvs, walgreen's, chevron,

7843
04:35:28,264 --> 04:35:28,765
smith's, you can't sell tubalk

7844
04:35:28,765 --> 04:35:29,466
obacco

7845
04:35:29,466 --> 04:35:30,300
tobacco.

7846
04:35:30,300 --> 04:35:31,402
We wouldn't do that because

7847
04:35:31,402 --> 04:35:33,236
they're big business and you

7848
04:35:33,236 --> 04:35:36,236
wouldn't want to hurt them.

7849
04:35:37,708 --> 04:35:39,760
but we don't have a problem

7850
04:35:39,760 --> 04:35:40,643
passing something like this that

7851
04:35:40,643 --> 04:35:43,313
is going to hurt almost

7852
04:35:43,313 --> 04:35:43,713
exclusively small, locally owned

7853
04:35:43,713 --> 04:35:45,713
businesses.

7854
04:35:46,883 --> 04:35:49,520
I can tell you and I can pick in

7855
04:35:49,520 --> 04:35:51,722
erica because she's here.

7856
04:35:51,722 --> 04:35:53,190
I'm telling you nothing bad is

7857
04:35:53,190 --> 04:35:55,590
happening in that shop.

7858
04:35:56,270 --> 04:35:57,560
There's no crimes happening.

7859
04:35:57,560 --> 04:36:00,560
It was a lovely day.

7860
04:36:03,933 --> 04:36:06,803
Thank you for the tour.

7861
04:36:06,803 --> 04:36:10,403
We're punishing erica as a small

7862
04:36:10,640 --> 04:36:11,508
business owner because we think

7863
04:36:11,508 --> 04:36:13,508
there's correlation, and

7864
04:36:13,944 --> 04:36:16,344
correlation is not causation.

7865
04:36:18,748 --> 04:36:21,285
I appreciate if we stop saying

7866
04:36:21,285 --> 04:36:23,285
correlation is causation.

7867
04:36:23,854 --> 04:36:24,254
We should all take a statistics

7868
04:36:24,254 --> 04:36:26,254
class.

7869
04:36:26,289 --> 04:36:28,689
I haven't heard data.

7870
04:36:31,610 --> 04:36:33,664
I heard you had data but haven't

7871
04:36:33,664 --> 04:36:35,664
seen it.

7872
04:36:36,100 --> 04:36:38,735
I asked for it seven weeks ago.

7873
04:36:38,735 --> 04:36:39,360
I have not seen it in seven

7874
04:36:39,360 --> 04:36:41,360
weeks.

7875
04:36:41,504 --> 04:36:45,209
I have not seen a problem with

7876
04:36:45,209 --> 04:36:46,609
data being linked with cannabis

7877
04:36:46,609 --> 04:36:49,609
stores near a cigar store.

7878
04:36:49,679 --> 04:36:51,679
That is unfortunate.

7879
04:36:52,249 --> 04:36:54,318
I also asked seven and a half

7880
04:36:54,318 --> 04:36:55,952
weeks ago about the use of

7881
04:36:55,952 --> 04:36:57,952
nuisance ordinance.

7882
04:36:58,822 --> 04:37:01,726
We have an ordinance in place

7883
04:37:01,726 --> 04:37:02,325
that deals with problem

7884
04:37:02,325 --> 04:37:04,325
properties.

7885
04:37:05,729 --> 04:37:08,729
What I heard commander talking

7886
04:37:09,532 --> 04:37:12,680
about is there are a few places

7887
04:37:12,680 --> 04:37:12,470
where there are congregations of

7888
04:37:12,470 --> 04:37:14,400
people.

7889
04:37:14,400 --> 04:37:15,380
I didn't hear proof that it was

7890
04:37:15,380 --> 04:37:16,806
one of these stores.

7891
04:37:16,806 --> 04:37:19,806
But there are congregations of

7892
04:37:20,745 --> 04:37:21,111
people that are causing

7893
04:37:21,111 --> 04:37:22,110
problems.

7894
04:37:22,110 --> 04:37:25,150
And I believe that is the reason

7895
04:37:25,150 --> 04:37:27,551
we have a nuisance ordinance.

7896
04:37:27,551 --> 04:37:29,951
A nuisance property ordinance.

7897
04:37:30,453 --> 04:37:32,756
I asked for details seven and a

7898
04:37:32,756 --> 04:37:35,959
half weeks ago on how many times

7899
04:37:35,959 --> 04:37:38,528
has that nuisance ordinance been

7900
04:37:38,528 --> 04:37:42,128
used to go after a problem

7901
04:37:43,660 --> 04:37:44,501
cannabis store or cigar store or

7902
04:37:44,501 --> 04:37:45,502
tobacco store.

7903
04:37:45,502 --> 04:37:45,869
Again, haven't received

7904
04:37:45,869 --> 04:37:47,670
anything.

7905
04:37:47,670 --> 04:37:49,773
I have to assume that data does

7906
04:37:49,773 --> 04:37:51,908
not exist because why else would

7907
04:37:51,908 --> 04:37:53,144
you not share for seven and a

7908
04:37:53,144 --> 04:37:55,144
half weeks?

7909
04:37:55,879 --> 04:37:57,113
I do have one question for the

7910
04:37:57,113 --> 04:37:58,548
council sponsor.

7911
04:37:58,548 --> 04:37:58,915
You mentioned you worked with

7912
04:37:58,915 --> 04:38:00,417
industry.

7913
04:38:00,417 --> 04:38:00,717
Can you tell us who you worked

7914
04:38:00,717 --> 04:38:02,717
with?

7915
04:38:03,186 --> 04:38:05,121
I've gotten lots of letters,

7916
04:38:05,121 --> 04:38:06,290
including the cannabis

7917
04:38:06,290 --> 04:38:08,910
association of new mexico that

7918
04:38:08,910 --> 04:38:10,930
said they were not worked with.

7919
04:38:10,930 --> 04:38:13,296
I'm curious if you can give us a

7920
04:38:13,296 --> 04:38:13,731
list of who was at those

7921
04:38:13,731 --> 04:38:15,731
meetings?

7922
04:38:16,866 --> 04:38:17,634
>>coun. Grout: MR. Jeff apodaca

7923
04:38:17,634 --> 04:38:19,634
was there.

7924
04:38:22,939 --> 04:38:25,176
I worked with him.

7925
04:38:25,176 --> 04:38:25,475
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I appreciate

7926
04:38:25,475 --> 04:38:27,475
that.

7927
04:38:27,677 --> 04:38:29,145
We did all receive a letter from

7928
04:38:29,145 --> 04:38:29,479
the cannabis association of new

7929
04:38:29,479 --> 04:38:31,140
mexico.

7930
04:38:31,140 --> 04:38:34,140
Which is the actual industry

7931
04:38:35,251 --> 04:38:36,486
that is representing cannabis

7932
04:38:36,486 --> 04:38:38,486
retail.

7933
04:38:39,290 --> 04:38:42,290
And they are adamantly opposed

7934
04:38:42,792 --> 04:38:44,527
to this proposal.

7935
04:38:44,527 --> 04:38:45,261
I don't know that we have a

7936
04:38:45,261 --> 04:38:47,261
tobacco association.

7937
04:38:47,363 --> 04:38:48,598
I did look around for one.

7938
04:38:48,598 --> 04:38:50,998
I couldn't find one.

7939
04:38:51,334 --> 04:38:53,370
I can pretty much guarantee they

7940
04:38:53,370 --> 04:38:55,710
would also be in opposition to

7941
04:38:55,710 --> 04:38:58,308
this because it seems like we

7942
04:38:58,308 --> 04:39:00,440
have chosen these two industries

7943
04:39:00,440 --> 04:39:01,279
to be the evil devil that is

7944
04:39:01,279 --> 04:39:02,110
causing all of our problems in

7945
04:39:02,110 --> 04:39:03,980
our city.

7946
04:39:03,980 --> 04:39:04,982
I just do not believe that is

7947
04:39:04,982 --> 04:39:06,982
the case.

7948
04:39:07,650 --> 04:39:09,552
Given, seven and a half weeks

7949
04:39:09,552 --> 04:39:10,621
and apd, planning department,

7950
04:39:10,621 --> 04:39:12,122
the administration, they've had

7951
04:39:12,122 --> 04:39:13,924
lots of time to call all the

7952
04:39:13,924 --> 04:39:15,226
councilors and lobby pretty hard

7953
04:39:15,226 --> 04:39:17,226
on this bill.

7954
04:39:17,794 --> 04:39:20,497
But they haven't had time to

7955
04:39:20,497 --> 04:39:22,632
gather data and share with us.

7956
04:39:22,632 --> 04:39:23,330
I think that is very

7957
04:39:23,330 --> 04:39:25,330
unfortunate.

7958
04:39:25,502 --> 04:39:27,604
I wanted to talk a little bit

7959
04:39:27,604 --> 04:39:30,604
about the paraphernalia that I

7960
04:39:31,800 --> 04:39:31,341
guess you can buy from cannabis

7961
04:39:31,341 --> 04:39:32,742
stores.

7962
04:39:32,742 --> 04:39:35,142
Or perhaps cigar store.

7963
04:39:36,746 --> 04:39:38,548
I don't know if there's anything

7964
04:39:38,548 --> 04:39:40,784
for sale in a cigar store.

7965
04:39:40,784 --> 04:39:42,752
I believe there's also things in

7966
04:39:42,752 --> 04:39:44,210
smith's that could be used for

7967
04:39:44,210 --> 04:39:45,456
paraphernal

7968
04:39:45,456 --> 04:39:46,290
paraphernalia.

7969
04:39:46,290 --> 04:39:48,124
Again, we're not going after

7970
04:39:48,124 --> 04:39:50,124
large businesses.

7971
04:39:52,620 --> 04:39:54,462
We're only targeting small,

7972
04:39:54,898 --> 04:39:56,233
locally owned businesses because

7973
04:39:56,233 --> 04:39:57,566
someone in the administration

7974
04:39:57,566 --> 04:39:59,436
decided these types of

7975
04:39:59,436 --> 04:40:00,904
businesses aren't good.

7976
04:40:00,904 --> 04:40:03,904
Now, there are businesses out

7977
04:40:04,708 --> 04:40:06,944
there that have a real problem.

7978
04:40:06,944 --> 04:40:08,645
I believe and commander, if you

7979
04:40:08,645 --> 04:40:11,450
have different data, everything

7980
04:40:12,150 --> 04:40:15,151
I ever read and asked about, the

7981
04:40:15,151 --> 04:40:18,151
number one cause of problems

7982
04:40:18,922 --> 04:40:21,359
with violence, with theft, with

7983
04:40:21,359 --> 04:40:24,359
robbery, with drunk driving, are

7984
04:40:25,396 --> 04:40:26,863
all from bars, and retail

7985
04:40:26,863 --> 04:40:28,863
alcohol sales.

7986
04:40:29,366 --> 04:40:30,166
I noticed that none of that is

7987
04:40:30,166 --> 04:40:32,566
included in this bill.

7988
04:40:34,170 --> 04:40:34,938
We have not decided they're bad.

7989
04:40:34,938 --> 04:40:36,440
Someone in the administration

7990
04:40:36,440 --> 04:40:38,542
doesn't like the way smoke shops

7991
04:40:38,542 --> 04:40:38,843
look and the way cannabis stores

7992
04:40:38,843 --> 04:40:40,843
look.

7993
04:40:41,544 --> 04:40:42,679
I think that is really a

7994
04:40:42,679 --> 04:40:45,790
dangerous sliply slope when

7995
04:40:46,249 --> 04:40:47,217
you're looking at how to

7996
04:40:47,217 --> 04:40:49,217
regulate our city.

7997
04:40:51,254 --> 04:40:52,655
Our regulatory structure is

7998
04:40:52,655 --> 04:40:54,324
supposed to help the citizens of

7999
04:40:54,324 --> 04:40:55,892
albuquerque and we're supposed

8000
04:40:55,892 --> 04:40:57,495
to help small businesses.

8001
04:40:57,495 --> 04:41:00,163
Rather than doing that, we're

8002
04:41:00,163 --> 04:41:01,998
looking for a bogeyman and we're

8003
04:41:01,998 --> 04:41:04,434
saying your cannabis staff is

8004
04:41:04,434 --> 04:41:06,434
that bogeyman.

8005
04:41:06,636 --> 04:41:08,304
Again, we have zero other

8006
04:41:08,304 --> 04:41:10,704
examples anywhere in our

8007
04:41:11,107 --> 04:41:13,244
regulatory structure in the

8008
04:41:13,244 --> 04:41:16,246
city -- anywhere, that says one

8009
04:41:16,246 --> 04:41:18,549
business type can't be next to

8010
04:41:18,549 --> 04:41:20,183
another business type.

8011
04:41:20,183 --> 04:41:22,352
Of course we have school

8012
04:41:22,352 --> 04:41:24,387
separations and things like

8013
04:41:24,387 --> 04:41:25,522
that, but this bill is a

8014
04:41:25,522 --> 04:41:27,390
solution to a problem that is

8015
04:41:27,390 --> 04:41:28,759
made up by the administration

8016
04:41:28,759 --> 04:41:31,610
because they don't like cannabis

8017
04:41:31,610 --> 04:41:31,361
stores and they don't like smoke

8018
04:41:31,361 --> 04:41:33,361
shops.

8019
04:41:33,963 --> 04:41:34,330
I'm here to say I like cannabis

8020
04:41:34,330 --> 04:41:36,990
stores.

8021
04:41:36,990 --> 04:41:37,701
I like smoke shops.

8022
04:41:37,701 --> 04:41:38,902
I don't like cigar stores, but

8023
04:41:38,902 --> 04:41:40,404
I'm certainly not going to try

8024
04:41:40,404 --> 04:41:44,604
to use my power to make sure

8025
04:41:44,607 --> 04:41:46,420
that they go away.

8026
04:41:46,420 --> 04:41:46,810
Thank you.

8027
04:41:46,810 --> 04:41:48,244
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers.

8028
04:41:48,244 --> 04:41:49,512
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

8029
04:41:49,512 --> 04:41:50,980
PRESIDENT.

8030
04:41:50,980 --> 04:41:53,117
I think as the council district

8031
04:41:53,117 --> 04:41:55,952
that you can look at the data

8032
04:41:55,952 --> 04:41:58,621
has the highest concentration of

8033
04:41:58,621 --> 04:42:00,560
smoke-vape shops and cannabis

8034
04:42:00,560 --> 04:42:01,224
shops, for my district she is

8035
04:42:01,224 --> 04:42:02,492
absolutely something we need to

8036
04:42:02,492 --> 04:42:04,194
figure out.

8037
04:42:04,194 --> 04:42:04,494
I don't know that this gets to

8038
04:42:04,494 --> 04:42:06,494
that.

8039
04:42:06,730 --> 04:42:09,132
In my district, I've asked for

8040
04:42:09,132 --> 04:42:10,334
help from our law enforcement

8041
04:42:10,334 --> 04:42:12,268
partners, specifically on some

8042
04:42:12,268 --> 04:42:12,702
of the ones we know are hot

8043
04:42:12,702 --> 04:42:14,702
spots.

8044
04:42:14,704 --> 04:42:16,271
I'm a person that wants to get

8045
04:42:16,271 --> 04:42:18,541
to the root cause of the issue.

8046
04:42:18,541 --> 04:42:18,842
I don't think it's the business

8047
04:42:18,842 --> 04:42:20,842
type.

8048
04:42:21,444 --> 04:42:22,645
For my district, I took myself

8049
04:42:22,645 --> 04:42:25,815
into some of these smoke shops

8050
04:42:25,815 --> 04:42:28,151
and literally walked around,

8051
04:42:28,151 --> 04:42:28,485
looked for myself what was going

8052
04:42:28,485 --> 04:42:30,454
on.

8053
04:42:30,454 --> 04:42:32,655
What I found is in the ones that

8054
04:42:32,655 --> 04:42:35,393
are hot spots in our district,

8055
04:42:35,393 --> 04:42:38,393
they're allowing folks to use

8056
04:42:38,495 --> 04:42:39,729
ebt to purchase smoke products

8057
04:42:39,729 --> 04:42:41,729
and paraphernalia.

8058
04:42:44,268 --> 04:42:45,935
I witnessed it with my own eyes.

8059
04:42:45,935 --> 04:42:49,500
I was able to get help.

8060
04:42:49,500 --> 04:42:51,709
I want to shout out ben baker

8061
04:42:51,709 --> 04:42:53,977
from the governor's office who

8062
04:42:53,977 --> 04:42:55,513
worked with me for human

8063
04:42:55,513 --> 04:42:55,879
services to do a sting

8064
04:42:55,879 --> 04:42:57,781
operation.

8065
04:42:57,781 --> 04:42:59,249
In those smoke shops, two out of

8066
04:42:59,249 --> 04:43:02,218
the three in my district were

8067
04:43:02,218 --> 04:43:04,618
absolutely found using --

8068
04:43:09,259 --> 04:43:09,592
letting people illegally use

8069
04:43:09,592 --> 04:43:11,592
ebt.

8070
04:43:12,696 --> 04:43:13,563
They have since gotten their ebt

8071
04:43:13,563 --> 04:43:15,563
privileges revoked.

8072
04:43:19,350 --> 04:43:22,635
You have seen a major difference

8073
04:43:22,872 --> 04:43:25,272
difference -- deputy chief,

8074
04:43:25,743 --> 04:43:28,411
we've seen a huge difference and

8075
04:43:28,411 --> 04:43:30,381
a decrease in the activity in

8076
04:43:30,381 --> 04:43:31,948
front of these smoke shops

8077
04:43:31,948 --> 04:43:33,583
because people can no longer

8078
04:43:33,583 --> 04:43:35,583
commit ebt fraud.

8079
04:43:36,219 --> 04:43:37,754
And that's why these businesses

8080
04:43:37,754 --> 04:43:38,888
were hot spots and continue to

8081
04:43:38,888 --> 04:43:40,888
be hot spots.

8082
04:43:40,924 --> 04:43:43,226
I would like us to keep working

8083
04:43:43,226 --> 04:43:45,762
on the root causes of the issue.

8084
04:43:45,762 --> 04:43:48,162
And getting those particular

8085
04:43:50,101 --> 04:43:52,969
business owners that are doing

8086
04:43:52,969 --> 04:43:55,369
those things held accountable

8087
04:43:56,406 --> 04:43:57,974
and not all cannabis and all

8088
04:43:57,974 --> 04:43:59,409
nicotine shops.

8089
04:43:59,409 --> 04:44:00,211
Because that is what is really

8090
04:44:00,211 --> 04:44:02,611
going to help us.

8091
04:44:03,646 --> 04:44:07,846
Trust me, I would love to see

8092
04:44:07,884 --> 04:44:08,618
some of these places close at

8093
04:44:08,618 --> 04:44:10,553
11:00 o'clock.

8094
04:44:10,553 --> 04:44:10,854
I'm with law enforcement on

8095
04:44:10,854 --> 04:44:11,988
that.

8096
04:44:11,988 --> 04:44:13,858
I would love to see that.

8097
04:44:13,858 --> 04:44:15,826
But to councilor fiebelkorn's

8098
04:44:15,826 --> 04:44:18,280
point, if we're not going to do

8099
04:44:18,280 --> 04:44:20,597
that across the board for all

8100
04:44:20,597 --> 04:44:21,731
businesses that sell nick

8101
04:44:21,731 --> 04:44:23,731
otine

8102
04:44:24,100 --> 04:44:27,100
and alcohol and cannabis, just

8103
04:44:29,204 --> 04:44:30,974
like withdrew my amendment for

8104
04:44:30,974 --> 04:44:33,676
the other one, I don't think

8105
04:44:33,676 --> 04:44:33,943
this is not the right way to do

8106
04:44:33,943 --> 04:44:35,679
it.

8107
04:44:35,679 --> 04:44:37,514
For me and my district, it's

8108
04:44:37,514 --> 04:44:38,449
about getting to the root cause

8109
04:44:38,449 --> 04:44:40,250
of the issue.

8110
04:44:40,250 --> 04:44:42,753
And working with our partners at

8111
04:44:42,753 --> 04:44:44,187
the state to shut those things

8112
04:44:44,187 --> 04:44:45,955
down.

8113
04:44:45,955 --> 04:44:46,256
This doesn't get to that root

8114
04:44:46,256 --> 04:44:47,824
cause.

8115
04:44:47,824 --> 04:44:48,725
I do want them separated and all

8116
04:44:48,725 --> 04:44:50,940
the things.

8117
04:44:50,940 --> 04:44:52,362
But I think we should do it

8118
04:44:52,362 --> 04:44:54,164
across the board and treat all

8119
04:44:54,164 --> 04:44:57,164
the businesses same rather than

8120
04:44:57,934 --> 04:45:00,603
just one or the other.

8121
04:45:00,603 --> 04:45:02,539
Thank you.

8122
04:45:02,539 --> 04:45:02,940
>>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

8123
04:45:02,940 --> 04:45:04,940
PRESIDENT.

8124
04:45:05,943 --> 04:45:06,376
We're not hitting the root cause

8125
04:45:06,376 --> 04:45:08,376
oftentimes.

8126
04:45:09,212 --> 04:45:09,512
I wish I could get rid of all

8127
04:45:09,512 --> 04:45:11,348
guns.

8128
04:45:11,348 --> 04:45:12,515
If we get rid of guns, we'll

8129
04:45:12,515 --> 04:45:13,351
stop gun violence.

8130
04:45:13,351 --> 04:45:15,519
Not going to happen.

8131
04:45:15,519 --> 04:45:15,820
We have to regulate it other

8132
04:45:15,820 --> 04:45:17,820
ways.

8133
04:45:22,592 --> 04:45:25,592
Just like everything else, it's

8134
04:45:32,235 --> 04:45:33,436
a zoning question.

8135
04:45:33,436 --> 04:45:34,571
Councilor lewis, I totally

8136
04:45:34,571 --> 04:45:36,571
respect his position.

8137
04:45:37,308 --> 04:45:38,609
He also doesn't have metal

8138
04:45:38,609 --> 04:45:40,343
recyclers down the road and

8139
04:45:40,343 --> 04:45:40,644
doesn't have cannabis down the

8140
04:45:40,644 --> 04:45:41,945
road.

8141
04:45:41,945 --> 04:45:43,414
He doesn't get all the calls

8142
04:45:43,414 --> 04:45:44,470
that district two gets regularly

8143
04:45:44,470 --> 04:45:46,470
about this.

8144
04:45:47,830 --> 04:45:48,685
Just like everything else, good

8145
04:45:48,685 --> 04:45:50,454
actors will be grandfathered in.

8146
04:45:50,454 --> 04:45:50,854
They be fine if they're good

8147
04:45:50,854 --> 04:45:51,721
players.

8148
04:45:51,721 --> 04:45:53,190
They're still going to be here

8149
04:45:53,190 --> 04:45:54,457
five or ten years from now.

8150
04:45:54,457 --> 04:45:55,960
This is just working toward the

8151
04:45:55,960 --> 04:45:57,927
future and working toward fixing

8152
04:45:57,927 --> 04:46:00,927
a problem that does exist.

8153
04:46:01,832 --> 04:46:03,434
We know it exists.

8154
04:46:03,434 --> 04:46:04,801
This isn't the perfect solution

8155
04:46:04,801 --> 04:46:06,801
by any means.

8156
04:46:07,971 --> 04:46:09,272
Where was reached out to by

8157
04:46:09,272 --> 04:46:10,708
cannabis industry, asking for

8158
04:46:10,708 --> 04:46:13,143
hours to be curtailed because

8159
04:46:13,143 --> 04:46:15,378
they couldn't do it themselves.

8160
04:46:15,378 --> 04:46:15,912
To me, that's surprising, but

8161
04:46:15,912 --> 04:46:17,912
that's real.

8162
04:46:18,448 --> 04:46:19,282
For those of us who live in

8163
04:46:19,282 --> 04:46:20,950
districts that have to deal with

8164
04:46:20,950 --> 04:46:23,350
all these problems regularly,

8165
04:46:24,554 --> 04:46:25,210
it's a step in the right

8166
04:46:25,210 --> 04:46:25,623
direction.

8167
04:46:25,623 --> 04:46:26,389
Thank you.

8168
04:46:26,389 --> 04:46:28,250
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor telles.

8169
04:46:28,250 --> 04:46:28,392
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

8170
04:46:28,392 --> 04:46:30,392
PRESIDENT.

8171
04:46:30,694 --> 04:46:33,963
DR. Sengel, I just have a couple

8172
04:46:33,963 --> 04:46:35,963
follow-up questions regarding

8173
04:46:38,101 --> 04:46:39,370
our concentration for calls of

8174
04:46:39,370 --> 04:46:41,370
service.

8175
04:46:41,404 --> 04:46:43,640
When you were reviewing the

8176
04:46:43,640 --> 04:46:46,476
calls of service data, was it

8177
04:46:46,476 --> 04:46:47,944
equally reliable across the

8178
04:46:47,944 --> 04:46:50,480
neighborhoods or did some areas

8179
04:46:50,480 --> 04:46:52,616
get more patrol presence and

8180
04:46:52,616 --> 04:46:53,783
thus generate more calls

8181
04:46:53,783 --> 04:46:55,783
independent of actual

8182
04:46:56,720 --> 04:46:58,456
conditions?

8183
04:46:58,456 --> 04:47:00,890
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, I want to

8184
04:47:00,890 --> 04:47:03,260
actually defer to either our

8185
04:47:03,260 --> 04:47:05,426
executive director of public

8186
04:47:05,495 --> 04:47:09,950
safety or deputy chief so they

8187
04:47:09,666 --> 04:47:12,660
can technically answer that

8188
04:47:16,774 --> 04:47:18,675
question.

8189
04:47:18,675 --> 04:47:19,609
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

8190
04:47:19,609 --> 04:47:20,611
telles, can you rephrase the

8191
04:47:20,611 --> 04:47:21,444
question for me?

8192
04:47:21,444 --> 04:47:23,246
>> yeah.

8193
04:47:23,246 --> 04:47:25,480
I just want to know if you're

8194
04:47:25,480 --> 04:47:27,448
referring to concentration of

8195
04:47:28,319 --> 04:47:31,919
calls for service, how are you

8196
04:47:33,724 --> 04:47:35,291
making sure that it is equally

8197
04:47:35,291 --> 04:47:36,526
reliable across neighborhoods?

8198
04:47:36,526 --> 04:47:38,526
Per capita.

8199
04:47:38,962 --> 04:47:40,397
do some areas get some more

8200
04:47:40,397 --> 04:47:43,397
patrol presence and because of

8201
04:47:44,134 --> 04:47:46,534
that generate more calls

8202
04:47:47,237 --> 04:47:49,205
independent of the actual

8203
04:47:49,205 --> 04:47:50,707
business use and matters

8204
04:47:50,707 --> 04:47:52,642
happening in the area?

8205
04:47:52,642 --> 04:47:55,642
>> when we're looking at the

8206
04:47:55,879 --> 04:47:58,140
overall data, we're looking at

8207
04:47:58,140 --> 04:47:58,749
specific to what those calls for

8208
04:47:58,749 --> 04:48:00,500
service were.

8209
04:48:00,500 --> 04:48:01,751
Some of these cases, they could

8210
04:48:01,751 --> 04:48:03,687
have been the actual business

8211
04:48:03,687 --> 04:48:04,200
themselves looking at it as a

8212
04:48:04,200 --> 04:48:05,121
victim.

8213
04:48:05,121 --> 04:48:08,240
We have to look through all

8214
04:48:08,240 --> 04:48:09,259
those calls and decipher what it

8215
04:48:09,259 --> 04:48:11,940
is that they're requesting and

8216
04:48:11,940 --> 04:48:12,896
what kind of services they're

8217
04:48:12,896 --> 04:48:14,831
asking from apd.

8218
04:48:14,831 --> 04:48:16,934
When we looked at all that data

8219
04:48:16,934 --> 04:48:20,534
collect frbly is when we started

8220
04:48:20,937 --> 04:48:21,271
to see what's been rev

8221
04:48:21,271 --> 04:48:22,500
ferenced as

8222
04:48:22,500 --> 04:48:24,500
hot spots.

8223
04:48:24,507 --> 04:48:26,576
Looking at it, and it goes back

8224
04:48:26,576 --> 04:48:28,244
to something that councilor

8225
04:48:28,244 --> 04:48:30,314
champine said, you kind of know

8226
04:48:30,314 --> 04:48:31,115
what are the areas that are

8227
04:48:31,115 --> 04:48:32,982
causing the situation.

8228
04:48:32,982 --> 04:48:33,284
You have different resources and

8229
04:48:33,284 --> 04:48:34,617
tools.

8230
04:48:34,617 --> 04:48:35,752
I think when we're looking at

8231
04:48:35,752 --> 04:48:37,287
these calls for services

8232
04:48:37,287 --> 04:48:38,988
specific to these areas we

8233
04:48:38,988 --> 04:48:39,357
already any there's issues and

8234
04:48:39,357 --> 04:48:41,157
concerns.

8235
04:48:41,157 --> 04:48:42,359
It's not a mystery to any of us

8236
04:48:42,359 --> 04:48:43,861
that we're responding to an area

8237
04:48:43,861 --> 04:48:45,562
that needs to be addressed.

8238
04:48:45,562 --> 04:48:47,131
We're looking at those specific

8239
04:48:47,131 --> 04:48:48,465
calls across the city, not just

8240
04:48:48,465 --> 04:48:50,767
in the specific area, but there

8241
04:48:50,767 --> 04:48:52,302
are certain areas impacted more.

8242
04:48:52,302 --> 04:48:53,236
More so when we're talking about

8243
04:48:53,236 --> 04:48:54,771
specific districts.

8244
04:48:54,771 --> 04:48:56,906
When we're looking at calls for

8245
04:48:56,906 --> 04:48:58,209
service, we're looking also for

8246
04:48:58,209 --> 04:48:59,710
correlation between the type of

8247
04:48:59,710 --> 04:49:01,440
activity that is happening, and

8248
04:49:01,440 --> 04:49:01,711
where it is that we're

8249
04:49:01,711 --> 04:49:03,711
responding to.

8250
04:49:05,140 --> 04:49:05,348
And we're correlating those

8251
04:49:05,348 --> 04:49:07,348
things.

8252
04:49:07,851 --> 04:49:09,320
We're not saying there's a

8253
04:49:09,320 --> 04:49:11,720
causation, there's just emphasis

8254
04:49:11,822 --> 04:49:13,857
into the types of calls we're

8255
04:49:13,857 --> 04:49:14,190
responding into the specific

8256
04:49:14,190 --> 04:49:15,825
areas.

8257
04:49:15,825 --> 04:49:18,795
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

8258
04:49:18,795 --> 04:49:20,795
PRESIDENT and director.

8259
04:49:25,502 --> 04:49:26,936
How, then, did you address the

8260
04:49:26,936 --> 04:49:29,336
measurement bias of those

8261
04:49:30,400 --> 04:49:32,400
independent conditions?

8262
04:49:32,777 --> 04:49:33,610
What were the distributional

8263
04:49:33,610 --> 04:49:35,146
effects there?

8264
04:49:35,146 --> 04:49:36,714
Who lived in the zones that were

8265
04:49:36,714 --> 04:49:38,581
being restricted?

8266
04:49:38,581 --> 04:49:38,982
Who benefits from that type of

8267
04:49:38,982 --> 04:49:40,551
restriction?

8268
04:49:40,551 --> 04:49:42,752
I'm just trying to figure out

8269
04:49:42,752 --> 04:49:46,352
when you reviewed your data, did

8270
04:49:47,924 --> 04:49:48,192
you account for any potential

8271
04:49:48,192 --> 04:49:49,694
dis

8272
04:49:49,694 --> 04:49:52,940
disproportional impacts on low

8273
04:49:52,462 --> 04:49:54,462
income residents, renters,

8274
04:49:56,366 --> 04:49:58,902
demographic groups when you were

8275
04:49:58,902 --> 04:49:59,704
excluding or including certain

8276
04:49:59,704 --> 04:50:01,400
populations?

8277
04:50:01,400 --> 04:50:02,172
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

8278
04:50:02,172 --> 04:50:03,774
telles, no.

8279
04:50:03,774 --> 04:50:06,774
We're really responding to what

8280
04:50:07,544 --> 04:50:09,714
the activity is of those calls.

8281
04:50:09,714 --> 04:50:11,948
That would be across the board.

8282
04:50:11,948 --> 04:50:14,317
We didn't respond to any call or

8283
04:50:14,317 --> 04:50:17,317
community regardless of who it

8284
04:50:17,654 --> 04:50:18,880
is putting the sols

8285
04:50:18,880 --> 04:50:20,880
calls.

8286
04:50:20,824 --> 04:50:23,824
It's the same manner regardless

8287
04:50:26,129 --> 04:50:27,764
of the call set out.

8288
04:50:27,764 --> 04:50:28,980
>>coun. Telles: that's very

8289
04:50:28,980 --> 04:50:29,899
helpful.

8290
04:50:29,899 --> 04:50:32,202
The data wasn't full a measured.

8291
04:50:32,202 --> 04:50:35,802
If the goal is public safety,

8292
04:50:35,939 --> 04:50:37,708
why is zoning -- why is

8293
04:50:37,708 --> 04:50:40,108
restriction the chosen lever

8294
04:50:41,100 --> 04:50:41,311
here rather than public safety

8295
04:50:41,311 --> 04:50:43,311
tools?

8296
04:50:43,780 --> 04:50:46,180
Like more patrol allocation,

8297
04:50:46,516 --> 04:50:47,817
more lighting, more code

8298
04:50:47,817 --> 04:50:48,184
enforcement, more essential

8299
04:50:48,184 --> 04:50:49,986
services.

8300
04:50:49,986 --> 04:50:50,820
I know you have a proactive

8301
04:50:50,820 --> 04:50:52,820
response team.

8302
04:50:53,356 --> 04:50:55,759
Are they being called out to

8303
04:50:55,759 --> 04:50:56,892
these response teams?

8304
04:50:56,892 --> 04:50:58,329
I'm in close conversations with

8305
04:50:58,329 --> 04:51:00,196
the officers in the southwest

8306
04:51:00,196 --> 04:51:01,931
area command and northwest area

8307
04:51:01,931 --> 04:51:03,466
command because my district

8308
04:51:03,466 --> 04:51:06,466
doesn't have an area command.

8309
04:51:07,637 --> 04:51:10,607
We do have a cute little place

8310
04:51:10,607 --> 04:51:12,108
where you can -- if you need to

8311
04:51:12,108 --> 04:51:14,578
report something you can go to

8312
04:51:14,578 --> 04:51:16,130
our office off of ouray.

8313
04:51:16,130 --> 04:51:18,130
I digress.

8314
04:51:18,681 --> 04:51:21,251
What I'm trying to say is I know

8315
04:51:21,251 --> 04:51:24,251
that unlike the northwest area

8316
04:51:24,287 --> 04:51:26,957
command, I have six officers in

8317
04:51:26,957 --> 04:51:30,557
that area that between MAY 1st

8318
04:51:35,999 --> 04:51:37,301
and JULY 31st had 950 calls.

8319
04:51:37,301 --> 04:51:39,704
To councilor champine's point of

8320
04:51:39,704 --> 04:51:42,439
having a point to do this, you

8321
04:51:42,439 --> 04:51:44,274
have a response team, but I'm

8322
04:51:44,274 --> 04:51:46,843
not sure that any of our other

8323
04:51:46,843 --> 04:51:47,545
officers can take on much more

8324
04:51:47,545 --> 04:51:49,545
capacity.

8325
04:51:51,982 --> 04:51:53,583
Again, if public safety is the

8326
04:51:53,583 --> 04:51:55,518
goal, why zoning?

8327
04:51:55,518 --> 04:51:59,118
It doesn't seem that the policy

8328
04:51:59,222 --> 04:52:01,622
here fits the problem.

8329
04:52:02,660 --> 04:52:06,260
We're using -- we're trying to

8330
04:52:07,597 --> 04:52:09,834
fit a swear block into a round

8331
04:52:09,834 --> 04:52:12,234
round -- thank you.

8332
04:52:13,169 --> 04:52:15,105
It doesn't make sense to me.

8333
04:52:15,105 --> 04:52:18,105
I think restrictive based zoning

8334
04:52:18,575 --> 04:52:21,575
has been the most consistent

8335
04:52:21,579 --> 04:52:23,813
finding in various types of

8336
04:52:23,813 --> 04:52:26,813
literature that is against using

8337
04:52:26,983 --> 04:52:27,650
restrictive zoning as a crime

8338
04:52:27,650 --> 04:52:29,650
reduction tool.

8339
04:52:31,540 --> 04:52:34,540
There's no studies that find

8340
04:52:34,392 --> 04:52:36,192
that it actually works.

8341
04:52:36,192 --> 04:52:38,495
So, I want public safety.

8342
04:52:38,495 --> 04:52:40,764
That's a big reason why I was

8343
04:52:40,764 --> 04:52:43,134
pushing to try to use some of

8344
04:52:43,134 --> 04:52:46,134
our apd dollars from recruitment

8345
04:52:48,204 --> 04:52:51,107
to go toward violence prevention

8346
04:52:51,107 --> 04:52:52,275
and more patrol allocations and

8347
04:52:52,275 --> 04:52:54,511
more social services and more

8348
04:52:54,511 --> 04:52:56,511
code enforcement.

8349
04:52:58,481 --> 04:53:02,252
i just don't think zoning a land

8350
04:53:02,252 --> 04:53:04,954
use tool is proper policy fit

8351
04:53:04,954 --> 04:53:05,922
for the problem you're trying to

8352
04:53:05,922 --> 04:53:07,922
solve here.

8353
04:53:08,258 --> 04:53:11,858
Thank you for clarifying on how

8354
04:53:12,195 --> 04:53:14,300
your data was being reviewed.

8355
04:53:14,300 --> 04:53:15,765
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, if I MAY?

8356
04:53:15,765 --> 04:53:17,434
I think it would be helpful if

8357
04:53:17,434 --> 04:53:19,102
we showed the overall map where

8358
04:53:19,102 --> 04:53:21,502
we had the calls.

8359
04:53:23,540 --> 04:53:25,642
If we could display that, for

8360
04:53:25,642 --> 04:53:27,277
the dc to walk over where these

8361
04:53:27,277 --> 04:53:28,978
calls are and these hot spots

8362
04:53:28,978 --> 04:53:30,848
we've been talking about.

8363
04:53:30,848 --> 04:53:34,384
I think it would be helpful.

8364
04:53:34,384 --> 04:53:37,984
>>coun. Pe}a: that would be

8365
04:53:46,596 --> 04:53:47,964
good.

8366
04:53:47,964 --> 04:53:49,466
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,

8367
04:53:49,466 --> 04:53:51,935
the data that you're seeing in

8368
04:53:51,935 --> 04:53:55,171
front of you is our calls for

8369
04:53:55,171 --> 04:53:58,171
service for a rolling year.

8370
04:53:58,274 --> 04:54:00,577
And my understanding is as the

8371
04:54:00,577 --> 04:54:02,145
shapes increase in size, that's

8372
04:54:02,145 --> 04:54:03,460
the increase in volume of

8373
04:54:03,460 --> 04:54:05,460
different calls.

8374
04:54:05,482 --> 04:54:08,351
I would also state to you, like

8375
04:54:08,351 --> 04:54:10,354
to councilor telles's point,

8376
04:54:10,354 --> 04:54:12,355
like I talked about earlier,

8377
04:54:12,355 --> 04:54:13,890
when we have different

8378
04:54:13,890 --> 04:54:16,290
geographical regions of the

8379
04:54:16,326 --> 04:54:18,726
city, there are different

8380
04:54:20,698 --> 04:54:21,599
factors such as low lower income

8381
04:54:21,599 --> 04:54:23,599
real estate.

8382
04:54:24,000 --> 04:54:25,268
Whether it's motels or social

8383
04:54:25,268 --> 04:54:26,436
services that have brought

8384
04:54:26,436 --> 04:54:28,836
individuals to the area.

8385
04:54:29,406 --> 04:54:31,374
That obviously is bringing those

8386
04:54:31,374 --> 04:54:33,774
people to the area.

8387
04:54:34,412 --> 04:54:37,279
Since we see that concentration

8388
04:54:37,279 --> 04:54:40,490
of people, you can clearly see,

8389
04:54:40,490 --> 04:54:43,490
especially in district six, we

8390
04:54:44,521 --> 04:54:46,856
have a higher call volume at

8391
04:54:46,856 --> 04:54:48,590
these nicotine retailers.

8392
04:54:48,590 --> 04:54:49,993
And breaking down what the

8393
04:54:49,993 --> 04:54:51,461
actual calls are compared to

8394
04:54:51,461 --> 04:54:53,997
other areas of the city, that's

8395
04:54:53,997 --> 04:54:58,797
where we see the trend of all of

8396
04:54:59,502 --> 04:55:00,637
our proactive enforcement to

8397
04:55:00,637 --> 04:55:02,539
vice PRESIDENT Champine's point

8398
04:55:02,539 --> 04:55:02,906
is we're there every day making

8399
04:55:02,906 --> 04:55:04,906
arrests.

8400
04:55:05,108 --> 04:55:07,677
Our prt is there every day.

8401
04:55:07,677 --> 04:55:10,677
It's not stopping for us.

8402
04:55:10,781 --> 04:55:14,381
Compared to other areas of the

8403
04:55:14,651 --> 04:55:16,786
city, you can see that these

8404
04:55:16,786 --> 04:55:19,900
particular regions that are

8405
04:55:19,900 --> 04:55:22,900
increasing the call for service

8406
04:55:22,793 --> 04:55:23,593
us -- for us.

8407
04:55:23,593 --> 04:55:24,861
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor telles.

8408
04:55:24,861 --> 04:55:25,228
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

8409
04:55:25,228 --> 04:55:27,228
PRESIDENT.

8410
04:55:27,431 --> 04:55:28,432
Thank you, dc.

8411
04:55:28,432 --> 04:55:30,166
Here's my question.

8412
04:55:30,166 --> 04:55:32,168
If we removed that tomorrow.

8413
04:55:32,168 --> 04:55:34,200
Let's just say tomorrow we

8414
04:55:34,200 --> 04:55:37,200
snapped our fingers and we

8415
04:55:37,874 --> 04:55:40,874
removed nicotine shops were --

8416
04:55:42,213 --> 04:55:44,647
all problem shops that relate to

8417
04:55:44,647 --> 04:55:46,349
increased, you know, call

8418
04:55:46,349 --> 04:55:47,151
volume, is there evidence that

8419
04:55:47,151 --> 04:55:49,151
calls would drop?

8420
04:55:51,621 --> 04:55:54,157
Or would they just shift to the

8421
04:55:54,157 --> 04:55:54,858
next most visible property

8422
04:55:54,858 --> 04:55:56,858
problem area?

8423
04:55:57,627 --> 04:56:01,164
If we restrict this on nicotine

8424
04:56:01,164 --> 04:56:03,133
shops and cannabis shops, are

8425
04:56:03,133 --> 04:56:05,168
those calls going to drop, or

8426
04:56:05,168 --> 04:56:06,436
are they just going to shift to

8427
04:56:06,436 --> 04:56:08,436
the next business?

8428
04:56:09,373 --> 04:56:12,376
Is it going to shift to bars?

8429
04:56:12,376 --> 04:56:14,644
Is it going to shift to whatever

8430
04:56:14,644 --> 04:56:16,880
other type of business that's

8431
04:56:16,880 --> 04:56:18,616
the most visible and vulnerable?

8432
04:56:18,616 --> 04:56:20,650
And are we going to have to come

8433
04:56:20,650 --> 04:56:22,218
back here and see we're still

8434
04:56:22,218 --> 04:56:24,989
seeing calls here and it didn't

8435
04:56:24,989 --> 04:56:28,158
work so we need to restrict

8436
04:56:28,158 --> 04:56:30,558
other businesses and zoning?

8437
04:56:30,694 --> 04:56:33,290
I just want to know when are we

8438
04:56:33,290 --> 04:56:35,298
going to actually create policy

8439
04:56:35,298 --> 04:56:37,698
that fits the problem.

8440
04:56:37,867 --> 04:56:41,504
Because a land use tool is not

8441
04:56:41,504 --> 04:56:41,838
the right lever for public

8442
04:56:41,838 --> 04:56:43,838
safety.

8443
04:56:45,642 --> 04:56:47,944
It's investing in public safety

8444
04:56:47,944 --> 04:56:48,845
reduction, not tearing down

8445
04:56:48,845 --> 04:56:50,845
business owners.

8446
04:56:52,348 --> 04:56:54,417
I would actually be willing to

8447
04:56:54,417 --> 04:56:55,585
subsidize security cameras for

8448
04:56:55,585 --> 04:56:57,985
some of these businesses.

8449
04:56:58,122 --> 04:57:00,123
that's a public safety tool that

8450
04:57:00,123 --> 04:57:03,123
has been actually proven to

8451
04:57:03,860 --> 04:57:06,860
reduce these type of calls.

8452
04:57:08,898 --> 04:57:10,266
I just don't believe that -- I

8453
04:57:10,266 --> 04:57:11,534
believe you're getting calls.

8454
04:57:11,534 --> 04:57:15,734
But I don't know that the ratio

8455
04:57:16,307 --> 04:57:19,209
of these calls are necessarily

8456
04:57:19,209 --> 04:57:22,209
necessarily -- again, it's the

8457
04:57:22,345 --> 04:57:23,646
correlation versus causation.

8458
04:57:23,646 --> 04:57:25,315
Is it because they're just

8459
04:57:25,315 --> 04:57:27,715
elevated for other reasons,

8460
04:57:29,152 --> 04:57:31,154
poverty, density, foot traffic?

8461
04:57:31,154 --> 04:57:33,958
It's not the right policy fit to

8462
04:57:33,958 --> 04:57:35,958
solve the problem.

8463
04:57:37,360 --> 04:57:39,360
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

8464
04:57:41,131 --> 04:57:43,133
telles, I can respond.

8465
04:57:43,133 --> 04:57:46,270
I understand your point, but I

8466
04:57:46,270 --> 04:57:48,204
definitely would point out it

8467
04:57:48,204 --> 04:57:50,774
depends on -- you're asking

8468
04:57:50,774 --> 04:57:52,409
like, well, if you get rid of it

8469
04:57:52,409 --> 04:57:54,440
is the crime just going to go to

8470
04:57:54,440 --> 04:57:55,545
a different business.

8471
04:57:55,545 --> 04:57:57,180
Each business has its own

8472
04:57:57,180 --> 04:57:59,580
particular set of crimes.

8473
04:57:59,849 --> 04:58:01,885
We've seen with our retailers

8474
04:58:01,885 --> 04:58:02,185
where theft is the number one

8475
04:58:02,185 --> 04:58:03,887
issue.

8476
04:58:03,887 --> 04:58:05,455
We've seen with our cell phone

8477
04:58:05,455 --> 04:58:06,589
stores or other small

8478
04:58:06,589 --> 04:58:08,559
businesses, especially in the

8479
04:58:08,559 --> 04:58:09,292
northeast rights, burglary is

8480
04:58:09,292 --> 04:58:10,927
our issue.

8481
04:58:10,927 --> 04:58:13,430
I have personally seen the calls

8482
04:58:13,430 --> 04:58:14,564
for service data where I pull

8483
04:58:14,564 --> 04:58:16,132
statistic for six different

8484
04:58:16,132 --> 04:58:17,340
liquor stores, there were no

8485
04:58:17,340 --> 04:58:19,340
calls for service.

8486
04:58:19,269 --> 04:58:21,372
I'm sure bars, you're going to

8487
04:58:21,372 --> 04:58:23,340
sigh fights and disturbances and

8488
04:58:23,340 --> 04:58:25,208
DWIs.

8489
04:58:25,208 --> 04:58:26,911
But each particular genre of

8490
04:58:26,911 --> 04:58:28,645
business, if that's the right

8491
04:58:28,645 --> 04:58:30,480
term, has their own set of

8492
04:58:30,480 --> 04:58:32,480
crimes, unfortunately.

8493
04:58:32,916 --> 04:58:34,718
With this particular nicotine

8494
04:58:34,718 --> 04:58:36,753
retailers and cannabis locations

8495
04:58:36,753 --> 04:58:38,855
where they're densely populated,

8496
04:58:38,855 --> 04:58:41,925
the types of crime I'm seeing is

8497
04:58:41,925 --> 04:58:44,925
violent crimes and open-air drug

8498
04:58:46,229 --> 04:58:48,131
use such that pulls so much

8499
04:58:48,131 --> 04:58:49,990
resources every day from

8500
04:58:49,990 --> 04:58:51,990
community safety, albuquerque

8501
04:58:53,269 --> 04:58:53,904
fire rescue and apd.

8502
04:58:53,904 --> 04:58:54,305
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor

8503
04:58:54,305 --> 04:58:55,106
fiebelkorn.

8504
04:58:55,106 --> 04:58:55,573
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

8505
04:58:55,573 --> 04:58:56,473
MADAM PRESIDENT.

8506
04:58:56,473 --> 04:58:57,400
First of all, can you scroll

8507
04:58:57,400 --> 04:58:59,400
down.

8508
04:59:01,440 --> 04:59:01,811
I assume there's some sort of

8509
04:59:01,811 --> 04:59:02,579
legend.

8510
04:59:02,579 --> 04:59:04,470
Administration, it would have

8511
04:59:04,470 --> 04:59:05,315
been great if this was shared

8512
04:59:05,315 --> 04:59:08,284
sometime in the last seven and a

8513
04:59:08,284 --> 04:59:08,585
half weeks.

8514
04:59:08,585 --> 04:59:10,585
Okay.

8515
04:59:12,560 --> 04:59:12,355
Those are cad calls.

8516
04:59:12,355 --> 04:59:12,789
Okay.

8517
04:59:12,789 --> 04:59:14,789
Thank you.

8518
04:59:15,959 --> 04:59:17,994
Is this the entire entity of the

8519
04:59:17,994 --> 04:59:20,397
data that has been gathered to

8520
04:59:20,397 --> 04:59:22,397
support this bill?

8521
04:59:22,766 --> 04:59:26,366
Because all this is is literally

8522
04:59:26,936 --> 04:59:29,506
a map of our city and it shows

8523
04:59:29,506 --> 04:59:33,106
not support for this bill, which

8524
04:59:33,610 --> 04:59:37,210
is for everywhere in our city.

8525
04:59:38,448 --> 04:59:41,510
It covers all of these areas.

8526
04:59:41,510 --> 04:59:43,854
This map, I'm assuming, we have

8527
04:59:43,854 --> 04:59:44,354
people with maps that can do

8528
04:59:44,354 --> 04:59:46,354
this.

8529
04:59:47,390 --> 04:59:50,361
I'm guessing if you overlaid

8530
04:59:50,361 --> 04:59:52,361
crosswalks, bars, transit

8531
04:59:52,395 --> 04:59:54,664
corridors, big box stores,

8532
04:59:54,664 --> 04:59:57,640
grocery stores, corner stores,

8533
04:59:59,235 --> 05:00:00,537
dark streets, any of those

8534
05:00:00,537 --> 05:00:01,738
things would overlap because

8535
05:00:01,738 --> 05:00:03,473
what you're seeing is a map of

8536
05:00:03,473 --> 05:00:06,609
our city where there are hot

8537
05:00:06,609 --> 05:00:06,910
spots that need attention by

8538
05:00:06,910 --> 05:00:08,910
apd.

8539
05:00:09,279 --> 05:00:13,183
I don't see any data that proves

8540
05:00:13,183 --> 05:00:16,183
that a cannabis store nextdore

8541
05:00:16,854 --> 05:00:19,389
to a cigar store impacts this.

8542
05:00:19,389 --> 05:00:19,789
I'm sorry, I called you

8543
05:00:19,789 --> 05:00:21,392
commander.

8544
05:00:21,392 --> 05:00:23,293
Your now deputy chief.

8545
05:00:23,293 --> 05:00:25,396
I apologize for misremembering.

8546
05:00:25,396 --> 05:00:27,970
But the deputy chief has been

8547
05:00:27,970 --> 05:00:30,970
clear that there are many

8548
05:00:30,433 --> 05:00:32,202
cannabis stores and cigar stores

8549
05:00:32,202 --> 05:00:33,937
and tobacco stores all around

8550
05:00:33,937 --> 05:00:36,206
the city that do not have calls

8551
05:00:36,206 --> 05:00:38,206
for service.

8552
05:00:38,342 --> 05:00:40,677
So, I appreciate the map, but

8553
05:00:40,677 --> 05:00:42,110
it's really proving my point not

8554
05:00:42,110 --> 05:00:45,982
the point of the bill that's in

8555
05:00:45,982 --> 05:00:47,982
front of us.

8556
05:00:48,284 --> 05:00:50,687
Still would have like to have it

8557
05:00:50,687 --> 05:00:50,954
about seven and a half weeks

8558
05:00:50,954 --> 05:00:52,889
ago.

8559
05:00:52,889 --> 05:00:53,623
I appreciate it.

8560
05:00:53,623 --> 05:00:54,624
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor baca.

8561
05:00:54,624 --> 05:00:55,250
>>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

8562
05:00:55,250 --> 05:00:57,250
PRESIDENT.

8563
05:00:57,227 --> 05:00:59,662
I'm looking at this map and I'll

8564
05:00:59,662 --> 05:01:01,832
take district one as an example.

8565
05:01:01,832 --> 05:01:05,235
There are only shops on unser

8566
05:01:05,235 --> 05:01:05,935
and coors boulevard zoned to

8567
05:01:05,935 --> 05:01:07,935
allow these.

8568
05:01:09,390 --> 05:01:09,339
And the rest of district one is

8569
05:01:09,339 --> 05:01:11,339
black.

8570
05:01:11,474 --> 05:01:13,874
Because of the restrictive

8571
05:01:13,977 --> 05:01:17,577
zoning in those areas that don't

8572
05:01:17,580 --> 05:01:17,914
allow anything but single family

8573
05:01:17,914 --> 05:01:19,516
homes.

8574
05:01:19,516 --> 05:01:21,484
I've got three or four metal

8575
05:01:21,484 --> 05:01:23,119
shops down the road where it's

8576
05:01:23,119 --> 05:01:23,953
hard to get any other husbands

8577
05:01:23,953 --> 05:01:25,953
near them.

8578
05:01:26,257 --> 05:01:29,257
There's zero chance we could

8579
05:01:30,394 --> 05:01:32,796
open a metal shop in that big

8580
05:01:32,796 --> 05:01:33,930
black blocks in district one.

8581
05:01:33,930 --> 05:01:35,865
Zoning matters lot.

8582
05:01:35,865 --> 05:01:36,800
What we allow in certain areas.

8583
05:01:36,800 --> 05:01:38,168
In this case, whatever is

8584
05:01:38,168 --> 05:01:40,700
already there exists.

8585
05:01:40,700 --> 05:01:41,337
You're not taking that away

8586
05:01:41,337 --> 05:01:42,772
unless there's bad actor.

8587
05:01:42,772 --> 05:01:45,309
In which case, we can see where

8588
05:01:45,309 --> 05:01:47,110
those folks are.

8589
05:01:47,110 --> 05:01:50,140
Ideally, if you get rid of the

8590
05:01:50,140 --> 05:01:51,881
bad actors and the good actors

8591
05:01:51,881 --> 05:01:52,982
stay and you don't get new

8592
05:01:52,982 --> 05:01:54,818
players in that area.

8593
05:01:54,818 --> 05:01:56,986
Over time this gets better.

8594
05:01:56,986 --> 05:01:57,320
We use zoning for a ton of

8595
05:01:57,320 --> 05:01:58,788
things.

8596
05:01:58,788 --> 05:02:00,690
We are always trying to add

8597
05:02:00,690 --> 05:02:02,920
zoning ability in our city.

8598
05:02:02,920 --> 05:02:05,920
This is one of those.

8599
05:02:05,395 --> 05:02:05,762
we have so much restriking

8600
05:02:05,762 --> 05:02:06,229
e ing

8601
05:02:06,229 --> 05:02:06,596
ing

8602
05:02:06,596 --> 05:02:07,131
e ing

8603
05:02:07,131 --> 05:02:07,931
ing --

8604
05:02:07,931 --> 05:02:10,234
restrictive zoning in the city.

8605
05:02:10,234 --> 05:02:11,768
But it appears as if it doesn't

8606
05:02:11,768 --> 05:02:13,236
make a difference.

8607
05:02:13,236 --> 05:02:15,606
But that's because it's always

8608
05:02:15,606 --> 05:02:17,173
that way because of restrictive

8609
05:02:17,173 --> 05:02:19,173
zoning.

8610
05:02:19,310 --> 05:02:21,277
You can look at this map in a

8611
05:02:21,277 --> 05:02:22,712
variety of ways and it's clear

8612
05:02:22,712 --> 05:02:24,247
with it's happening.

8613
05:02:24,247 --> 05:02:26,216
Those of us that deal with this

8614
05:02:26,216 --> 05:02:28,251
on regular basis, I would love

8615
05:02:28,251 --> 05:02:29,686
to see this problem get better.

8616
05:02:29,686 --> 05:02:32,860
This is one tool.

8617
05:02:33,156 --> 05:02:34,791
It's not as if it's either or on

8618
05:02:34,791 --> 05:02:37,191
any of these things.

8619
05:02:37,360 --> 05:02:38,595
If we use all the tools and

8620
05:02:38,595 --> 05:02:40,497
adjust them together they all

8621
05:02:40,497 --> 05:02:42,400
get better over time.

8622
05:02:42,400 --> 05:02:45,469
It's never an either or with any

8623
05:02:45,469 --> 05:02:45,935
of these things.

8624
05:02:45,935 --> 05:02:47,204
Thank you.

8625
05:02:47,204 --> 05:02:48,471
>>coun. Pe}a: seeing no other

8626
05:02:48,471 --> 05:02:49,739
questions before I turn it over

8627
05:02:49,739 --> 05:02:52,900
to councilor grout to close.

8628
05:02:52,900 --> 05:02:55,110
I'll just add a few things.

8629
05:02:55,110 --> 05:02:57,647
First of all, just looking at

8630
05:02:57,647 --> 05:02:59,582
this -- the ido and the fact

8631
05:02:59,582 --> 05:03:01,284
that we have cannabis and

8632
05:03:01,284 --> 05:03:03,684
nicotine retail uses throughout

8633
05:03:04,954 --> 05:03:06,556
the ido, I intend to bring back

8634
05:03:06,556 --> 05:03:08,910
an ordinance that changes that

8635
05:03:08,910 --> 05:03:10,910
to the marijuana.

8636
05:03:11,295 --> 05:03:13,963
I don't know that it will pass.

8637
05:03:13,963 --> 05:03:16,366
This is exactly why when we had

8638
05:03:16,366 --> 05:03:18,350
the cannabis equity fund put in

8639
05:03:18,350 --> 05:03:21,171
front of us, I fought really

8640
05:03:21,171 --> 05:03:25,241
hard to make sure we change it

8641
05:03:25,241 --> 05:03:27,577
to the marijuana equity fund and

8642
05:03:27,577 --> 05:03:29,646
this body passed that resolution

8643
05:03:29,646 --> 05:03:31,140
because I think it's important

8644
05:03:31,140 --> 05:03:33,216
because when it was illegal it

8645
05:03:33,216 --> 05:03:35,185
was marijuana, and that's when

8646
05:03:35,185 --> 05:03:37,554
we were being incarcerated and

8647
05:03:37,554 --> 05:03:38,355
put in jail and it became

8648
05:03:38,355 --> 05:03:40,355
popular and legal.

8649
05:03:41,359 --> 05:03:44,260
and they changed it to cannabis.

8650
05:03:44,260 --> 05:03:44,561
I intend to bring that back for

8651
05:03:44,561 --> 05:03:46,561
this.

8652
05:03:46,629 --> 05:03:49,290
The marijuana equity fund.

8653
05:03:50,166 --> 05:03:50,500
I'm proud we're able to get that

8654
05:03:50,500 --> 05:03:52,690
passed.

8655
05:03:52,690 --> 05:03:53,737
When we first talked about

8656
05:03:53,737 --> 05:03:56,137
opening these cannabis shops,

8657
05:03:56,740 --> 05:03:59,142
one of the things -- grace

8658
05:03:59,142 --> 05:03:59,542
talked about it during her

8659
05:03:59,542 --> 05:04:01,542
commentary.

8660
05:04:01,978 --> 05:04:03,580
When we first did this, it was

8661
05:04:03,580 --> 05:04:06,580
really going to be the

8662
05:04:06,884 --> 05:04:09,284
Mcdonald's of cannabis shops.

8663
05:04:10,210 --> 05:04:12,522
And the fact that we fought also

8664
05:04:12,522 --> 05:04:13,990
to make sure that it was a free

8665
05:04:13,990 --> 05:04:15,925
market and everybody who could

8666
05:04:15,925 --> 05:04:18,280
go into business and small

8667
05:04:18,280 --> 05:04:20,630
business owners and people that

8668
05:04:20,630 --> 05:04:24,230
just cobbled up some money, they

8669
05:04:24,667 --> 05:04:27,570
could open up their own

8670
05:04:27,570 --> 05:04:28,538
marijuana shop.

8671
05:04:28,538 --> 05:04:31,538
Anyway, I think that's important

8672
05:04:31,642 --> 05:04:33,376
to say that, yes, the market

8673
05:04:33,376 --> 05:04:34,544
somebody else talked about the

8674
05:04:34,544 --> 05:04:35,745
market dwindling down.

8675
05:04:35,745 --> 05:04:37,680
It's happening.

8676
05:04:37,680 --> 05:04:40,684
But at least those people who

8677
05:04:40,684 --> 05:04:42,819
weren't the Mcdonald's of the

8678
05:04:42,819 --> 05:04:43,486
world would have a shot at

8679
05:04:43,486 --> 05:04:45,210
opening cannabis.

8680
05:04:45,210 --> 05:04:47,957
These are the same people that

8681
05:04:47,957 --> 05:04:48,758
went through all the grief of

8682
05:04:48,758 --> 05:04:50,694
marijuana.

8683
05:04:50,694 --> 05:04:53,694
And then, to say that.

8684
05:04:54,464 --> 05:04:54,831
And we have deputy chief up

8685
05:04:54,831 --> 05:04:56,634
here.

8686
05:04:56,634 --> 05:04:59,200
And we really should have

8687
05:04:59,200 --> 05:05:01,200
planning up here.

8688
05:05:04,741 --> 05:05:08,341
This is really a planning issue.

8689
05:05:09,790 --> 05:05:11,479
To councilor fiebelkorn's point,

8690
05:05:11,816 --> 05:05:13,216
when we're doing restricted

8691
05:05:13,216 --> 05:05:15,251
areas, back to the argument when

8692
05:05:15,251 --> 05:05:17,822
we first did this to allow

8693
05:05:17,822 --> 05:05:19,589
cannabis shops to go wherever

8694
05:05:19,589 --> 05:05:21,391
businesses wanted to go, now

8695
05:05:21,391 --> 05:05:22,593
this is just going in reverse.

8696
05:05:22,593 --> 05:05:23,260
And it's actually going to push

8697
05:05:23,260 --> 05:05:25,260
out.

8698
05:05:27,865 --> 05:05:29,834
And it does create certain areas

8699
05:05:29,834 --> 05:05:31,334
that aren't going to be allowed.

8700
05:05:31,334 --> 05:05:33,503
And some of the districts that

8701
05:05:33,503 --> 05:05:34,572
already see a dis proportion

8702
05:05:34,572 --> 05:05:36,406
proportionate

8703
05:05:36,406 --> 05:05:37,440
amount of this will see more.

8704
05:05:37,440 --> 05:05:39,750
Although, my argument doesn't

8705
05:05:39,750 --> 05:05:40,410
stand so much because I'm proud

8706
05:05:40,410 --> 05:05:43,460
of district three because we do

8707
05:05:43,460 --> 05:05:44,815
have a lot of cannabis shops

8708
05:05:44,815 --> 05:05:46,349
along central.

8709
05:05:46,349 --> 05:05:47,651
Working with southwest area

8710
05:05:47,651 --> 05:05:49,519
command, they do the partnership

8711
05:05:49,519 --> 05:05:51,655
and working with the prt and

8712
05:05:51,655 --> 05:05:52,222
doing all those things we need

8713
05:05:52,222 --> 05:05:54,222
to do.

8714
05:05:54,758 --> 05:05:55,910
Coors and central was bad for a

8715
05:05:55,910 --> 05:05:56,493
minute.

8716
05:05:56,493 --> 05:05:57,460
We worked hard and they did a

8717
05:05:57,460 --> 05:05:59,195
lot of things.

8718
05:05:59,195 --> 05:06:01,665
You can see door and central

8719
05:06:01,665 --> 05:06:03,800
didn't pop up on that map.

8720
05:06:03,800 --> 05:06:08,000
And to the north of central, I

8721
05:06:08,138 --> 05:06:08,706
know we have that in councilor

8722
05:06:08,706 --> 05:06:09,974
telles's district.

8723
05:06:09,974 --> 05:06:12,242
We have that truck stop.

8724
05:06:12,242 --> 05:06:12,575
I know there's a lot of issues

8725
05:06:12,575 --> 05:06:14,575
there.

8726
05:06:14,844 --> 05:06:15,945
But I don't serve that area.

8727
05:06:15,945 --> 05:06:17,347
Just to councilor telles's

8728
05:06:17,347 --> 05:06:20,347
point, we have the southwest

8729
05:06:21,418 --> 05:06:24,418
area command on los volcanes.

8730
05:06:25,423 --> 05:06:27,724
That is in your district for

8731
05:06:27,724 --> 05:06:29,225
that.

8732
05:06:29,225 --> 05:06:32,295
I think I got everything that I

8733
05:06:32,295 --> 05:06:34,197
have on my notes.

8734
05:06:34,197 --> 05:06:35,732
Yeah, I think we have an

8735
05:06:35,732 --> 05:06:37,400
epidemic on our hands.

8736
05:06:37,400 --> 05:06:39,200
Everybody wants a solution and

8737
05:06:39,200 --> 05:06:40,404
try to figure out how we address

8738
05:06:40,404 --> 05:06:42,804
some of the issues.

8739
05:06:42,972 --> 05:06:45,809
But I think targeting certain

8740
05:06:45,809 --> 05:06:48,209
businesses isn't the answer.

8741
05:06:49,512 --> 05:06:51,915
I think we need to do a lot of

8742
05:06:51,915 --> 05:06:53,915
proactive approach.

8743
05:06:54,951 --> 05:06:56,653
Anyway, again, to look to the

8744
05:06:56,653 --> 05:06:57,754
nuisance abatement ordinance

8745
05:06:57,754 --> 05:07:00,290
because this is something that

8746
05:07:00,290 --> 05:07:01,891
was a tool that we used heavily

8747
05:07:01,891 --> 05:07:03,560
at one point.

8748
05:07:03,560 --> 05:07:06,629
I think we should bring that

8749
05:07:06,629 --> 05:07:08,698
back in a strong way but not as

8750
05:07:08,698 --> 05:07:09,265
heavy-handed as we did in the

8751
05:07:09,265 --> 05:07:11,265
past.

8752
05:07:11,401 --> 05:07:14,871
And I will end with that and go

8753
05:07:14,871 --> 05:07:16,673
to councilor grout to close.

8754
05:07:16,673 --> 05:07:18,441
>>coun. Grout: thank you, all.

8755
05:07:18,441 --> 05:07:21,441
I appreciate the dialogue and

8756
05:07:21,911 --> 05:07:23,911
the debate.

8757
05:07:25,315 --> 05:07:26,951
It's good.

8758
05:07:26,951 --> 05:07:27,851
I have nothing against cannabis

8759
05:07:27,851 --> 05:07:29,285
or smoke shops.

8760
05:07:29,285 --> 05:07:31,540
I really don't.

8761
05:07:31,540 --> 05:07:31,588
I don't frequent them.

8762
05:07:31,588 --> 05:07:33,588
That's okay.

8763
05:07:35,158 --> 05:07:37,270
I know they have a purpose.

8764
05:07:37,270 --> 05:07:37,327
I know that there's good in

8765
05:07:37,327 --> 05:07:39,163
them.

8766
05:07:39,163 --> 05:07:40,960
I also know there can be issues

8767
05:07:40,960 --> 05:07:42,960
with them.

8768
05:07:44,200 --> 05:07:46,603
Trying to put a little distance

8769
05:07:46,603 --> 05:07:49,603
between them and our officers

8770
05:07:53,276 --> 05:07:54,210
and afr and acs, they're all

8771
05:07:54,210 --> 05:07:56,210
-- code

8772
05:07:56,211 --> 05:07:59,450
enforcement -- they all asked we

8773
05:07:59,450 --> 05:07:59,784
do something because there's a

8774
05:07:59,784 --> 05:08:01,351
problem.

8775
05:08:01,351 --> 05:08:03,821
If this isn't the answer, we'll

8776
05:08:03,821 --> 05:08:06,560
keep working on it.

8777
05:08:06,560 --> 05:08:08,892
I appreciate everybody that we

8778
05:08:08,892 --> 05:08:10,361
worked with.

8779
05:08:10,361 --> 05:08:13,361
And it will be okay.

8780
05:08:15,498 --> 05:08:16,900
With that, I urge your support.

8781
05:08:16,900 --> 05:08:18,900
[Roll call].

8782
05:08:19,669 --> 05:08:21,669
>>coun. Baca: yes.

8783
05:08:21,805 --> 05:08:23,805
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

8784
05:08:24,750 --> 05:08:26,750
>>coun. Champine: no.

8785
05:08:27,430 --> 05:08:29,430
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: no.

8786
05:08:29,345 --> 05:08:31,345
>>coun. Grout: yes.

8787
05:08:31,514 --> 05:08:33,514
>>coun. Lewis: no.

8788
05:08:33,784 --> 05:08:35,784
>>coun. Rogers: no.

8789
05:08:36,786 --> 05:08:38,786
>>coun. Telles: no.

8790
05:08:40,857 --> 05:08:43,257
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

8791
05:08:44,427 --> 05:08:45,261
>> fails on a 3-6 vote.

8792
05:08:45,261 --> 05:08:47,661
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

8793
05:08:49,566 --> 05:08:51,901
o-40 repealing roa1994 chapter

8794
05:08:51,901 --> 05:08:52,837
four creating consolidated

8795
05:08:52,837 --> 05:08:54,704
accountability and government

8796
05:08:54,704 --> 05:08:56,674
ordinance governing the ago

8797
05:08:56,674 --> 05:08:58,775
committee office of internal

8798
05:08:58,775 --> 05:08:59,142
audit and office of inspector

8799
05:08:59,142 --> 05:09:00,343
general.

8800
05:09:00,343 --> 05:09:02,612
I move do pass.

8801
05:09:02,612 --> 05:09:04,214
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

8802
05:09:04,214 --> 05:09:06,317
and a second by councilor rogers

8803
05:09:06,317 --> 05:09:07,752
for o-40.

8804
05:09:07,752 --> 05:09:11,352
>>coun. Bassan: I'd like to move

8805
05:09:16,993 --> 05:09:17,694
floor substitute.

8806
05:09:17,694 --> 05:09:18,395
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

8807
05:09:18,395 --> 05:09:20,130
>>coun. Bassan: thank you.

8808
05:09:20,130 --> 05:09:22,966
Just to clarify what's in the

8809
05:09:22,966 --> 05:09:24,200
floor substitute, I did ask

8810
05:09:24,200 --> 05:09:25,935
julia send it out.

8811
05:09:25,935 --> 05:09:27,637
It did go out a little bit later

8812
05:09:27,637 --> 05:09:29,637
than we wanted.

8813
05:09:30,240 --> 05:09:31,908
At the same time we tried to

8814
05:09:31,908 --> 05:09:33,643
notify everyone what was in.

8815
05:09:33,643 --> 05:09:35,645
I want to review what the

8816
05:09:35,645 --> 05:09:36,614
changes are so hopefully you'll

8817
05:09:36,614 --> 05:09:38,214
feel comfortable with it.

8818
05:09:38,214 --> 05:09:39,750
Most of it -- there are

8819
05:09:39,750 --> 05:09:41,750
technical changes.

8820
05:09:42,519 --> 05:09:45,588
But after the last fgo meeting

8821
05:09:45,588 --> 05:09:47,157
we had a while back, the admin

8822
05:09:47,157 --> 05:09:48,591
came to me pointing out some

8823
05:09:48,591 --> 05:09:49,826
issues including technical

8824
05:09:49,826 --> 05:09:50,828
changes but we found a couple of

8825
05:09:50,828 --> 05:09:52,828
other things.

8826
05:09:53,563 --> 05:09:54,531
Running down that list, the

8827
05:09:54,531 --> 05:09:56,232
definition of waste.

8828
05:09:56,232 --> 05:09:58,100
We changed it.

8829
05:09:58,100 --> 05:10:00,403
Instead of the wordf buse in

8830
05:10:00,403 --> 05:10:01,710
that definition, we say

8831
05:10:01,710 --> 05:10:03,710
inefficient use.

8832
05:10:03,941 --> 05:10:05,476
There's also a separate

8833
05:10:05,476 --> 05:10:08,476
definition for the word abuse.

8834
05:10:11,140 --> 05:10:11,614
We didn't want to have that be

8835
05:10:11,614 --> 05:10:13,614
confusing.

8836
05:10:16,386 --> 05:10:17,987
I say we, I mean me.

8837
05:10:17,987 --> 05:10:21,587
Allowing the mayor to review and

8838
05:10:21,791 --> 05:10:22,926
comment on proposed and policy

8839
05:10:22,926 --> 05:10:24,561
procedures from the ago.

8840
05:10:24,561 --> 05:10:26,364
And the council will have to

8841
05:10:26,364 --> 05:10:27,831
approve those policy and

8842
05:10:27,831 --> 05:10:29,132
procedures presented from ago

8843
05:10:29,132 --> 05:10:30,400
while also considering any

8844
05:10:30,400 --> 05:10:32,569
comments that the mayor includes

8845
05:10:32,569 --> 05:10:34,938
and wants to suggest because

8846
05:10:34,938 --> 05:10:36,374
that way there's a little bit of

8847
05:10:36,374 --> 05:10:38,308
both sides that could have some

8848
05:10:38,308 --> 05:10:40,308
kind of input.

8849
05:10:40,411 --> 05:10:41,745
we want it to be consistent with

8850
05:10:41,745 --> 05:10:43,680
the other sections.

8851
05:10:43,680 --> 05:10:46,316
We made sure to clarify adding

8852
05:10:46,316 --> 05:10:49,316
in 15 days to publish reports.

8853
05:10:50,286 --> 05:10:52,686
Changing the timeline for

8854
05:10:53,156 --> 05:10:55,556
publishing of reports from 15

8855
05:10:55,592 --> 05:10:57,827
days to 30 if there's a revised

8856
05:10:57,827 --> 05:10:59,696
report from the ig.

8857
05:10:59,696 --> 05:11:01,970
Which would allow some more

8858
05:11:01,970 --> 05:11:02,266
opportunity for the ig to be

8859
05:11:02,266 --> 05:11:04,367
able to make changes and

8860
05:11:04,367 --> 05:11:06,767
actually complete that revision.

8861
05:11:10,440 --> 05:11:13,176
We would add in the word youth

8862
05:11:13,176 --> 05:11:15,176
for sick leave.

8863
05:11:15,945 --> 05:11:18,140
Instead of the ig having to

8864
05:11:18,140 --> 05:11:18,581
report sick leave to the

8865
05:11:18,581 --> 05:11:20,581
committee.

8866
05:11:22,852 --> 05:11:26,452
Being at the ago committee is

8867
05:11:29,392 --> 05:11:32,662
not -- the ig needs to make sure

8868
05:11:32,662 --> 05:11:34,164
to report their significant use

8869
05:11:34,164 --> 05:11:37,164
of vacation or sick leave.

8870
05:11:38,334 --> 05:11:41,504
The office, both the ig and ia

8871
05:11:41,504 --> 05:11:43,473
office can select out could

8872
05:11:43,473 --> 05:11:44,407
counsel in consultation with the

8873
05:11:44,407 --> 05:11:45,642
city attorney.

8874
05:11:45,642 --> 05:11:48,778
If the city attorney is to

8875
05:11:48,778 --> 05:11:49,846
provide a list of different

8876
05:11:49,846 --> 05:11:52,246
outside legal services and

8877
05:11:52,615 --> 05:11:54,284
different options, the office

8878
05:11:54,284 --> 05:11:54,784
can choose to select one from

8879
05:11:54,784 --> 05:11:56,784
that list.

8880
05:11:57,721 --> 05:11:59,122
Or if the office consulted city

8881
05:11:59,122 --> 05:12:00,156
legal and they want to pick

8882
05:12:00,156 --> 05:12:03,126
somewhere else, that is within

8883
05:12:03,126 --> 05:12:05,429
their purview as well, being

8884
05:12:05,429 --> 05:12:06,229
they're both supposed to be

8885
05:12:06,229 --> 05:12:08,229
independent.

8886
05:12:08,399 --> 05:12:10,799
Adding in the certification

8887
05:12:10,901 --> 05:12:12,901
verification requirements that

8888
05:12:13,104 --> 05:12:15,772
we changed in some of that they

8889
05:12:15,772 --> 05:12:17,400
if the auditor and the inspector

8890
05:12:17,400 --> 05:12:19,400
general voocertain requirements

8891
05:12:21,612 --> 05:12:23,800
that they have to provide,

8892
05:12:23,800 --> 05:12:24,581
verifying certification.

8893
05:12:24,581 --> 05:12:25,949
And it needs to be within

8894
05:12:25,949 --> 05:12:27,949
certain dates.

8895
05:12:29,190 --> 05:12:31,122
We made sure to add in the

8896
05:12:31,122 --> 05:12:32,355
council can be able to offer a

8897
05:12:32,355 --> 05:12:34,124
one-year extension if that

8898
05:12:34,124 --> 05:12:36,524
hasn't been completed within

8899
05:12:36,794 --> 05:12:39,950
that two-year time frame.

8900
05:12:39,950 --> 05:12:41,231
If council decides, but they

8901
05:12:41,231 --> 05:12:43,366
don't have to, to change the

8902
05:12:43,366 --> 05:12:45,360
term that if any kind of

8903
05:12:45,360 --> 05:12:47,436
criminal activity is suspected

8904
05:12:48,338 --> 05:12:49,105
that instead of report to the

8905
05:12:49,105 --> 05:12:51,208
prosecuting authority, it would

8906
05:12:51,208 --> 05:12:52,442
be reporting to the law

8907
05:12:52,442 --> 05:12:54,544
enforcement authority because we

8908
05:12:54,544 --> 05:12:56,379
cannot skip law enforcement and

8909
05:12:56,379 --> 05:12:57,914
go straight to prosecution.

8910
05:12:57,914 --> 05:12:59,549
It's law enforcement that should

8911
05:12:59,549 --> 05:13:01,549
go to prosecution.

8912
05:13:01,985 --> 05:13:03,954
And making sure to add in some

8913
05:13:03,954 --> 05:13:05,422
of the attorney-client privilege

8914
05:13:05,422 --> 05:13:08,422
requirement changes as well as

8915
05:13:09,626 --> 05:13:11,428
some updates to the recruiting

8916
05:13:11,428 --> 05:13:12,295
and hiring that be included in

8917
05:13:12,295 --> 05:13:14,295
the annual report.

8918
05:13:15,365 --> 05:13:16,901
If there are vacancies, whether

8919
05:13:16,901 --> 05:13:19,836
it's through A.G.O. -- I'm

8920
05:13:19,836 --> 05:13:22,836
sorry, if there are vacancies

8921
05:13:22,906 --> 05:13:25,410
between the ig and ia, and

8922
05:13:25,410 --> 05:13:27,410
there's been certain times that

8923
05:13:27,410 --> 05:13:29,914
have gone by that part of the

8924
05:13:29,914 --> 05:13:32,150
annual report coming from the

8925
05:13:32,150 --> 05:13:34,170
A.G.O. And ig and ia should

8926
05:13:34,170 --> 05:13:34,918
include updates on how the

8927
05:13:34,918 --> 05:13:37,918
hiring process has been going

8928
05:13:38,254 --> 05:13:38,588
and what has been done to

8929
05:13:38,588 --> 05:13:40,588
recruit.

8930
05:13:42,225 --> 05:13:43,693
I think I covered it all.

8931
05:13:43,693 --> 05:13:45,395
MS. Coulloudon can help if you

8932
05:13:45,395 --> 05:13:47,795
have more specific questions.

8933
05:13:48,310 --> 05:13:50,900
I open for questions, or I urge

8934
05:13:50,900 --> 05:13:51,701
your spoerality

8935
05:13:51,701 --> 05:13:52,469
upport.

8936
05:13:52,469 --> 05:13:54,838
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

8937
05:13:54,838 --> 05:13:58,438
and a second for floor sub.

8938
05:14:01,611 --> 05:14:03,611
[Roll call].

8939
05:14:04,147 --> 05:14:05,849
>>coun. Baca: yes.

8940
05:14:05,849 --> 05:14:07,849
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

8941
05:14:08,118 --> 05:14:10,118
>>coun. Champine: yes.

8942
05:14:10,654 --> 05:14:12,355
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

8943
05:14:12,355 --> 05:14:14,355
>>coun. Grout: yes.

8944
05:14:14,491 --> 05:14:16,226
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

8945
05:14:16,226 --> 05:14:17,494
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

8946
05:14:17,494 --> 05:14:18,950
>>coun. Telles: yes.

8947
05:14:18,950 --> 05:14:19,864
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

8948
05:14:19,864 --> 05:14:21,798
>> passes unanimously.

8949
05:14:21,798 --> 05:14:24,167
>>coun. Pe}a: back on the bill

8950
05:14:24,167 --> 05:14:26,167
as substituted.

8951
05:14:26,736 --> 05:14:27,700
Do we have anyone signed up to

8952
05:14:27,700 --> 05:14:29,700
speak?

8953
05:14:29,406 --> 05:14:31,806
>> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

8954
05:14:42,952 --> 05:14:43,586
We have tad.

8955
05:14:43,586 --> 05:14:45,586
>> thank you.

8956
05:14:49,159 --> 05:14:51,559
My name is tad.

8957
05:14:53,596 --> 05:14:56,166
Well, I can see many problems

8958
05:14:56,166 --> 05:14:58,166
with this government.

8959
05:14:59,502 --> 05:15:04,774
We do not -- city has to come up

8960
05:15:04,774 --> 05:15:05,842
with new policy.

8961
05:15:05,842 --> 05:15:07,842
Accountability.

8962
05:15:08,678 --> 05:15:08,978
Inspector general doing what?

8963
05:15:08,978 --> 05:15:10,246
Zero.

8964
05:15:10,246 --> 05:15:12,246
And so on.

8965
05:15:18,210 --> 05:15:20,421
Nobody can touch it.

8966
05:15:21,391 --> 05:15:24,391
We spend this evening discussing

8967
05:15:24,627 --> 05:15:26,627
economic development abuses.

8968
05:15:26,930 --> 05:15:29,330
Abuses with everywhere with

8969
05:15:31,668 --> 05:15:33,668
every nonprofit organization.

8970
05:15:35,872 --> 05:15:36,272
And who is controlling

8971
05:15:36,272 --> 05:15:37,707
everything?

8972
05:15:37,707 --> 05:15:39,142
Nobody from the city.

8973
05:15:39,142 --> 05:15:41,542
That's what they need.

8974
05:15:42,245 --> 05:15:44,245
That is policy.

8975
05:15:46,490 --> 05:15:46,383
Somebody have to step in with

8976
05:15:46,383 --> 05:15:48,383
policy.

8977
05:15:50,860 --> 05:15:52,256
Council better come up and

8978
05:15:52,256 --> 05:15:52,622
somebody have to look at all the

8979
05:15:52,622 --> 05:15:54,622
problems.

8980
05:15:55,925 --> 05:15:58,294
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

8981
05:15:58,294 --> 05:16:00,694
That concludes public comment.

8982
05:16:03,166 --> 05:16:04,300
Any questions, comments?

8983
05:16:04,300 --> 05:16:05,201
Councilor bassan to close.

8984
05:16:05,201 --> 05:16:06,903
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

8985
05:16:06,903 --> 05:16:09,439
I know -- I would like to

8986
05:16:09,439 --> 05:16:10,574
request your permission, if

8987
05:16:10,574 --> 05:16:12,876
there is a development of

8988
05:16:12,876 --> 05:16:14,944
wanting to reopen conversation,

8989
05:16:14,944 --> 05:16:16,112
but seeing it appears the

8990
05:16:16,112 --> 05:16:18,480
council doesn't have issues.

8991
05:16:18,480 --> 05:16:19,783
Instead of moving deferral, I'd

8992
05:16:19,783 --> 05:16:23,983
like to make a motion to suspend

8993
05:16:24,921 --> 05:16:26,588
the rules to vote on this at the

8994
05:16:26,588 --> 05:16:29,793
same meeting in which it was

8995
05:16:29,793 --> 05:16:31,620
substituted.

8996
05:16:31,620 --> 05:16:33,290
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

8997
05:16:33,290 --> 05:16:34,297
and a second.

8998
05:16:34,297 --> 05:16:34,597
Clarify the motion one more

8999
05:16:34,597 --> 05:16:35,932
time.

9000
05:16:35,932 --> 05:16:38,102
>>coun. Bassan: motion to

9001
05:16:38,102 --> 05:16:41,702
suspend the rules to act upon

9002
05:16:45,809 --> 05:16:47,343
the bill at the same meeting

9003
05:16:47,343 --> 05:16:49,647
which it was substituted.

9004
05:16:49,647 --> 05:16:50,379
[Roll call].

9005
05:16:50,379 --> 05:16:50,980
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9006
05:16:50,980 --> 05:16:52,750
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9007
05:16:52,750 --> 05:16:54,750
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9008
05:16:55,185 --> 05:16:57,530
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9009
05:16:57,530 --> 05:16:59,530
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9010
05:16:59,222 --> 05:17:00,890
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

9011
05:17:00,890 --> 05:17:02,580
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9012
05:17:02,580 --> 05:17:02,759
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9013
05:17:02,759 --> 05:17:05,610
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9014
05:17:05,610 --> 05:17:06,863
>> passes unanimously.

9015
05:17:06,863 --> 05:17:09,299
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

9016
05:17:09,299 --> 05:17:09,798
We're now on o-41.

9017
05:17:09,798 --> 05:17:10,633
Councilor bassan.

9018
05:17:10,633 --> 05:17:13,330
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

9019
05:17:13,470 --> 05:17:16,140
I think we're still on o-40.

9020
05:17:16,140 --> 05:17:16,773
As substitute.

9021
05:17:16,773 --> 05:17:17,406
>>coun. Pe}a: I'm sorry.

9022
05:17:17,406 --> 05:17:19,406
Councilor bassan.

9023
05:17:19,676 --> 05:17:20,900
>>coun. Bassan: I urge your

9024
05:17:20,900 --> 05:17:21,211
support.

9025
05:17:21,211 --> 05:17:24,211
>>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk.

9026
05:17:24,782 --> 05:17:26,782
[Roll call].

9027
05:17:28,180 --> 05:17:29,352
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9028
05:17:29,352 --> 05:17:30,986
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9029
05:17:30,986 --> 05:17:32,986
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9030
05:17:33,156 --> 05:17:34,758
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9031
05:17:34,758 --> 05:17:36,593
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9032
05:17:36,593 --> 05:17:38,593
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

9033
05:17:38,729 --> 05:17:39,596
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9034
05:17:39,596 --> 05:17:40,296
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9035
05:17:40,296 --> 05:17:41,530
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9036
05:17:41,530 --> 05:17:43,530
>> passes unanimously.

9037
05:17:45,102 --> 05:17:45,668
>>coun. Pe}a: now, we're on

9038
05:17:45,668 --> 05:17:47,202
o-41.

9039
05:17:47,202 --> 05:17:49,538
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

9040
05:17:49,538 --> 05:17:51,938
o-41, amending the whistleblower

9041
05:17:52,809 --> 05:17:53,675
ordinance, roa1994 chapter three

9042
05:17:53,675 --> 05:17:54,711
article seven.

9043
05:17:54,711 --> 05:17:55,545
I move do pass.

9044
05:17:55,545 --> 05:17:56,680
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

9045
05:17:56,680 --> 05:17:59,216
and a second by councilor rogers

9046
05:17:59,216 --> 05:18:00,830
for do pass of o-41.

9047
05:18:00,830 --> 05:18:02,483
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

9048
05:18:04,287 --> 05:18:05,889
if you will please bear with me,

9049
05:18:05,889 --> 05:18:07,792
i don't know if I have ever done

9050
05:18:07,792 --> 05:18:09,759
this, but I'm going to read to

9051
05:18:09,759 --> 05:18:12,759
you some of the significant

9052
05:18:13,464 --> 05:18:16,267
changes or the changes in this

9053
05:18:16,267 --> 05:18:16,666
version of the whistleblower

9054
05:18:16,666 --> 05:18:17,467
ordinance.

9055
05:18:17,467 --> 05:18:18,702
I know councilor telles has one

9056
05:18:18,702 --> 05:18:19,690
coming down the pipe to

9057
05:18:19,690 --> 05:18:21,690
committee.

9058
05:18:21,137 --> 05:18:24,140
I just want to make sure to

9059
05:18:24,140 --> 05:18:26,109
clarify for the public's

9060
05:18:26,109 --> 05:18:28,110
information as well as the

9061
05:18:28,110 --> 05:18:28,311
council's what this one has in

9062
05:18:28,311 --> 05:18:30,311
it.

9063
05:18:31,281 --> 05:18:32,916
That way it can be, I hope, more

9064
05:18:32,916 --> 05:18:34,170
clear for everybody.

9065
05:18:34,170 --> 05:18:36,417
Please bear with me.

9066
05:18:37,787 --> 05:18:39,489
The general edits are citation

9067
05:18:39,489 --> 05:18:40,824
edits and emphasizing that city

9068
05:18:40,824 --> 05:18:43,824
employees are the reporting body

9069
05:18:43,861 --> 05:18:45,563
to properly report improper

9070
05:18:45,563 --> 05:18:47,563
governmental action.

9071
05:18:48,310 --> 05:18:49,466
And some of the more

9072
05:18:49,466 --> 05:18:51,401
comprehensive summaries are

9073
05:18:51,401 --> 05:18:51,801
changing to the reporting

9074
05:18:51,801 --> 05:18:53,801
procedures.

9075
05:18:54,271 --> 05:18:56,706
This bill makes two substantive

9076
05:18:56,706 --> 05:18:57,107
amendments to the reporting

9077
05:18:57,107 --> 05:18:58,208
procedures.

9078
05:18:58,208 --> 05:18:59,809
First when submitting a

9079
05:18:59,809 --> 05:19:01,711
complaint the complainant must

9080
05:19:01,711 --> 05:19:03,711
include sufficient facts.

9081
05:19:04,147 --> 05:19:05,281
If true, establish the improper

9082
05:19:05,281 --> 05:19:07,281
government action occurred.

9083
05:19:07,617 --> 05:19:10,153
In addition to the existing

9084
05:19:10,153 --> 05:19:12,553
limitation on oig investigations

9085
05:19:12,756 --> 05:19:15,156
into discrimination labor law

9086
05:19:15,326 --> 05:19:17,270
matters and other matters, the

9087
05:19:17,270 --> 05:19:19,427
inspector general shall not

9088
05:19:19,430 --> 05:19:21,564
accept complaints related to

9089
05:19:21,564 --> 05:19:23,400
retaliation based on status in a

9090
05:19:23,400 --> 05:19:23,967
protected class or protected

9091
05:19:23,967 --> 05:19:25,967
activity.

9092
05:19:26,669 --> 05:19:29,690
Violations related to collective

9093
05:19:29,720 --> 05:19:30,440
bargaining agreement matters,

9094
05:19:30,440 --> 05:19:31,975
violations of the merit system

9095
05:19:31,975 --> 05:19:33,810
ordinance or matters under

9096
05:19:33,810 --> 05:19:34,778
investigation by any state or

9097
05:19:34,778 --> 05:19:36,778
federal agency.

9098
05:19:38,314 --> 05:19:39,916
The other change is changes to

9099
05:19:39,916 --> 05:19:40,283
the investigative procedures

9100
05:19:40,283 --> 05:19:42,283
section.

9101
05:19:42,585 --> 05:19:44,540
It amends several of those.

9102
05:19:44,540 --> 05:19:45,722
First it mandates investigations

9103
05:19:45,722 --> 05:19:47,424
are conducted in a timely manner

9104
05:19:47,424 --> 05:19:49,292
by an independent and qualified

9105
05:19:49,292 --> 05:19:50,695
fact finder.

9106
05:19:50,695 --> 05:19:52,462
Second, the bill clarifies that

9107
05:19:52,462 --> 05:19:53,430
all city employees board

9108
05:19:53,430 --> 05:19:55,980
commission and committee members

9109
05:19:55,980 --> 05:19:57,498
and elected officials shall

9110
05:19:57,568 --> 05:19:59,302
assist the oig in investigation.

9111
05:19:59,302 --> 05:20:01,302
Including making them

9112
05:20:02,540 --> 05:20:04,540
self-available for interview.

9113
05:20:04,641 --> 05:20:06,676
And the inspector MAY decline to

9114
05:20:06,676 --> 05:20:07,377
investigate a complaint if the

9115
05:20:07,377 --> 05:20:09,245
allegations have been

9116
05:20:09,245 --> 05:20:10,180
investigated or adjudicated by

9117
05:20:10,180 --> 05:20:12,180
human resources.

9118
05:20:13,500 --> 05:20:13,483
Any state or federal agency or

9119
05:20:13,483 --> 05:20:15,520
arbitration.

9120
05:20:15,520 --> 05:20:17,520
Last, this bill requires in this

9121
05:20:17,520 --> 05:20:19,322
section the city to maintain the

9122
05:20:19,322 --> 05:20:21,257
secure case management and

9123
05:20:21,257 --> 05:20:22,727
tracking system for all

9124
05:20:22,727 --> 05:20:23,893
complaints investigated pursuant

9125
05:20:23,893 --> 05:20:25,893
to this ordinance.

9126
05:20:25,995 --> 05:20:27,630
I have an upcoming amendment to

9127
05:20:27,630 --> 05:20:29,650
clarify one of the

9128
05:20:29,650 --> 05:20:30,300
technicalities on that.

9129
05:20:30,300 --> 05:20:31,502
Under the confidentiality

9130
05:20:31,502 --> 05:20:33,902
section it prohibits disclosure

9131
05:20:34,404 --> 05:20:35,171
of a complainants identity

9132
05:20:35,171 --> 05:20:36,906
without consent.

9133
05:20:36,906 --> 05:20:38,375
And when disclosure is

9134
05:20:38,375 --> 05:20:40,375
necessary, reasonable advanced

9135
05:20:41,644 --> 05:20:43,613
notice shall be provided.

9136
05:20:43,613 --> 05:20:45,548
Personally identifiable

9137
05:20:45,548 --> 05:20:48,548
information must be protected by

9138
05:20:50,554 --> 05:20:52,188
the max misdemeanor extent.

9139
05:20:52,188 --> 05:20:53,456
Retaliation section, it directs

9140
05:20:53,456 --> 05:20:55,856
employees to submit complaints

9141
05:20:55,859 --> 05:20:56,894
in accord once the grievance

9142
05:20:56,894 --> 05:20:57,895
resolution procedure.

9143
05:20:57,895 --> 05:20:59,562
Unclassified employees MAY

9144
05:20:59,562 --> 05:21:01,698
submit complains to their

9145
05:21:01,698 --> 05:21:02,980
department director or human

9146
05:21:02,980 --> 05:21:03,534
resources.

9147
05:21:03,534 --> 05:21:05,350
In either situation, if there

9148
05:21:05,350 --> 05:21:06,360
has been a finding of

9149
05:21:06,360 --> 05:21:07,937
retaliation against the

9150
05:21:07,937 --> 05:21:10,937
employee, it should be remedied

9151
05:21:11,275 --> 05:21:13,410
by reversing any disciplinary

9152
05:21:13,410 --> 05:21:15,810
action, expunging materials from

9153
05:21:16,347 --> 05:21:18,747
the employee's personnel file

9154
05:21:19,516 --> 05:21:21,418
and the cao shall determine

9155
05:21:21,418 --> 05:21:23,818
whether additional actions shall

9156
05:21:24,254 --> 05:21:24,988
be needed to address retaliatory

9157
05:21:24,988 --> 05:21:26,988
actions taken.

9158
05:21:32,896 --> 05:21:35,296
This clarifies what constitutes

9159
05:21:35,398 --> 05:21:37,398
retaliation.

9160
05:21:38,268 --> 05:21:40,537
Under the city's action

9161
05:21:40,537 --> 05:21:41,671
sections, it requires that

9162
05:21:41,671 --> 05:21:43,440
employees know of their

9163
05:21:43,440 --> 05:21:45,342
protections granted by the

9164
05:21:45,342 --> 05:21:45,775
whistleblower protection

9165
05:21:45,775 --> 05:21:47,775
ordinance.

9166
05:21:48,612 --> 05:21:50,580
And noticed prepared by the oig,

9167
05:21:50,580 --> 05:21:52,150
the city must ensure awareness

9168
05:21:52,150 --> 05:21:53,516
of the whistleblower protections

9169
05:21:53,516 --> 05:21:55,516
through training onboarding

9170
05:21:56,720 --> 05:21:57,722
accessible and contractor vendor

9171
05:21:57,722 --> 05:21:58,588
notification.

9172
05:21:58,588 --> 05:22:00,988
Additionally, this will impose

9173
05:22:01,124 --> 05:22:02,292
the deadline for oig to submit

9174
05:22:02,292 --> 05:22:04,127
the report to the city council

9175
05:22:04,127 --> 05:22:05,194
within 60 days of the end of

9176
05:22:05,194 --> 05:22:06,996
each fiscal year.

9177
05:22:06,996 --> 05:22:09,799
We got our first report for the

9178
05:22:09,799 --> 05:22:10,500
first time in the city's history

9179
05:22:10,500 --> 05:22:12,402
last year.

9180
05:22:12,402 --> 05:22:14,371
This is like a tiny thing, but I

9181
05:22:14,371 --> 05:22:16,172
think it's important we put a

9182
05:22:16,172 --> 05:22:18,475
date so it doesn't get

9183
05:22:18,475 --> 05:22:20,344
overlooked by accident.

9184
05:22:20,344 --> 05:22:22,545
Those are some of the -- that's

9185
05:22:22,545 --> 05:22:23,614
the nuts and bolts of this

9186
05:22:23,614 --> 05:22:25,414
whistleblower ordinance update

9187
05:22:25,414 --> 05:22:29,614
which has been in the works and

9188
05:22:31,554 --> 05:22:31,856
I worked with admin and ig and

9189
05:22:31,856 --> 05:22:33,222
legal.

9190
05:22:33,222 --> 05:22:35,693
This is part of that process

9191
05:22:35,693 --> 05:22:38,693
that we've been going through.

9192
05:22:38,995 --> 05:22:40,330
With that, MADAM PRESIDENT, can

9193
05:22:40,330 --> 05:22:41,931
I move my more technical

9194
05:22:41,931 --> 05:22:43,000
amendment before the other

9195
05:22:43,000 --> 05:22:45,000
amendments?

9196
05:22:45,668 --> 05:22:46,403
>>coun. Pe}a: sure.

9197
05:22:46,403 --> 05:22:47,504
>>coun. Bassan: thank you.

9198
05:22:47,504 --> 05:22:49,339
It's right here.

9199
05:22:49,339 --> 05:22:49,639
i would like to move amendment

9200
05:22:49,639 --> 05:22:51,639
one.

9201
05:22:53,143 --> 05:22:55,543
It's in your ipad.

9202
05:22:56,790 --> 05:22:57,381
I promise it's really technical,

9203
05:22:57,381 --> 05:22:59,381
not too gross.

9204
05:23:00,384 --> 05:23:02,180
On page, eight, line three.

9205
05:23:02,180 --> 05:23:04,200
Amend the section as follows.

9206
05:23:04,200 --> 05:23:06,156
Instead of it saying the city

9207
05:23:06,156 --> 05:23:07,425
shall maintain a secure case

9208
05:23:07,425 --> 05:23:09,825
management and tracking system,

9209
05:23:11,127 --> 05:23:13,960
change it to say the office of

9210
05:23:13,960 --> 05:23:14,130
inspector general shall maintain

9211
05:23:14,130 --> 05:23:14,665
secure case management and

9212
05:23:14,665 --> 05:23:16,665
tracking system.

9213
05:23:17,702 --> 05:23:19,736
This is pointed out by the ig.

9214
05:23:19,736 --> 05:23:22,172
And our legal team decided that

9215
05:23:22,172 --> 05:23:24,140
was probably a more accurate use

9216
05:23:24,140 --> 05:23:28,340
of the proper term, not just for

9217
05:23:28,778 --> 05:23:29,846
the city to do it.

9218
05:23:29,846 --> 05:23:31,147
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

9219
05:23:31,147 --> 05:23:32,215
and three seconds.

9220
05:23:32,215 --> 05:23:34,615
I'll take councilor grout's

9221
05:23:35,685 --> 05:23:36,219
because she said it first.

9222
05:23:36,219 --> 05:23:38,219
Councilor grout.

9223
05:23:41,324 --> 05:23:42,692
For floor amendment number one.

9224
05:23:42,692 --> 05:23:45,161
Let me write that down.

9225
05:23:45,161 --> 05:23:47,161
Any discussion?

9226
05:23:50,500 --> 05:23:52,500
[Roll call].

9227
05:23:52,937 --> 05:23:54,471
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9228
05:23:54,471 --> 05:23:56,306
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9229
05:23:56,306 --> 05:23:58,306
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9230
05:23:59,800 --> 05:24:01,800
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9231
05:24:02,178 --> 05:24:04,178
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9232
05:24:04,881 --> 05:24:06,717
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

9233
05:24:06,717 --> 05:24:07,550
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9234
05:24:07,550 --> 05:24:08,151
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9235
05:24:08,151 --> 05:24:10,551
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9236
05:24:11,221 --> 05:24:12,522
>> passes unanimously.

9237
05:24:12,522 --> 05:24:14,922
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

9238
05:24:16,426 --> 05:24:18,596
We are -- is that -- does that

9239
05:24:18,596 --> 05:24:19,362
conclude your items?

9240
05:24:19,362 --> 05:24:21,362
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9241
05:24:21,965 --> 05:24:22,900
>>coun. Pe}a: I'm going to move

9242
05:24:22,900 --> 05:24:24,900
to councilor telles.

9243
05:24:25,902 --> 05:24:26,270
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

9244
05:24:26,270 --> 05:24:28,270
PRESIDENT.

9245
05:24:30,840 --> 05:24:31,474
I have three amendments to bring

9246
05:24:31,474 --> 05:24:33,309
forward.

9247
05:24:33,309 --> 05:24:37,509
I just want -- before I go

9248
05:24:40,450 --> 05:24:41,751
forward with these, I want to

9249
05:24:41,751 --> 05:24:43,487
thank councilor bassan for

9250
05:24:43,487 --> 05:24:45,221
moving forward in her work and

9251
05:24:45,221 --> 05:24:47,221
restructuring the institution

9252
05:24:50,759 --> 05:24:51,161
here of the whistleblower

9253
05:24:51,161 --> 05:24:53,630
ordinance.

9254
05:24:53,630 --> 05:24:56,630
These amendments work on the

9255
05:24:57,200 --> 05:24:58,350
reporter's side of the same

9256
05:24:58,350 --> 05:25:00,350
system.

9257
05:25:01,204 --> 05:25:02,472
I think -- just so everyone

9258
05:25:02,472 --> 05:25:05,472
knows, to clarify things a

9259
05:25:06,342 --> 05:25:08,742
little bit here, councilor

9260
05:25:09,880 --> 05:25:11,381
bassan builds the pipes, and my

9261
05:25:11,381 --> 05:25:14,381
amendments are the folks who

9262
05:25:14,885 --> 05:25:17,285
turn the faucet on.

9263
05:25:18,455 --> 05:25:21,455
That is the point here.

9264
05:25:23,694 --> 05:25:24,600
I will move with floor amendment

9265
05:25:24,600 --> 05:25:24,694
a-2.

9266
05:25:24,694 --> 05:25:26,363
Is that correct?

9267
05:25:26,363 --> 05:25:28,763
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9268
05:25:30,133 --> 05:25:31,902
We're on floor amendment labeled

9269
05:25:31,902 --> 05:25:35,502
a, it will be floor amendment

9270
05:25:39,142 --> 05:25:40,543
number two.

9271
05:25:40,543 --> 05:25:44,743
>>coun. Telles: I do want to say

9272
05:26:03,500 --> 05:26:06,500
we worked closely with oig.

9273
05:26:23,820 --> 05:26:25,955
>>coun. Telles: -- we want to

9274
05:26:25,955 --> 05:26:27,657
make sure anyone who is

9275
05:26:27,657 --> 05:26:30,657
comfortable and brave and safe

9276
05:26:31,494 --> 05:26:33,564
enough to come forward and

9277
05:26:33,564 --> 05:26:36,564
report, if they accidently don't

9278
05:26:38,835 --> 05:26:43,400
do it in such a way that follows

9279
05:26:43,400 --> 05:26:45,400
the procedures specifically,

9280
05:26:45,576 --> 05:26:48,576
line by line, because not

9281
05:26:48,678 --> 05:26:50,447
everybody knows these, right?

9282
05:26:50,447 --> 05:26:52,447
They're still protected.

9283
05:26:52,916 --> 05:26:56,516
That is really the point here.

9284
05:26:58,555 --> 05:26:59,656
I urge your support.

9285
05:26:59,656 --> 05:27:02,459
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

9286
05:27:02,459 --> 05:27:03,260
and a second for floor amendment

9287
05:27:03,260 --> 05:27:05,260
number two.

9288
05:27:07,597 --> 05:27:09,597
[Roll call].

9289
05:27:10,767 --> 05:27:12,767
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9290
05:27:13,136 --> 05:27:14,871
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9291
05:27:14,871 --> 05:27:16,871
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9292
05:27:17,140 --> 05:27:18,842
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9293
05:27:18,842 --> 05:27:20,810
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9294
05:27:20,810 --> 05:27:22,810
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

9295
05:27:23,113 --> 05:27:24,247
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9296
05:27:24,247 --> 05:27:25,248
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9297
05:27:25,248 --> 05:27:26,616
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9298
05:27:26,616 --> 05:27:27,650
>> passes unanimously.

9299
05:27:27,650 --> 05:27:29,552
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

9300
05:27:29,552 --> 05:27:31,254
We're now on floor amendment,

9301
05:27:31,254 --> 05:27:33,560
labeled b, which is floor

9302
05:27:33,560 --> 05:27:33,556
amendment number three.

9303
05:27:33,556 --> 05:27:35,556
Councilor telles.

9304
05:27:36,192 --> 05:27:36,559
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

9305
05:27:36,559 --> 05:27:38,280
PRESIDENT.

9306
05:27:38,280 --> 05:27:40,130
This amendment attars the

9307
05:27:40,130 --> 05:27:41,731
standard in which retaliation

9308
05:27:41,731 --> 05:27:42,265
MAY be established under the

9309
05:27:42,265 --> 05:27:44,265
article.

9310
05:27:44,534 --> 05:27:46,534
Under this amendment,

9311
05:27:48,380 --> 05:27:50,273
retaliation is supported when a

9312
05:27:50,273 --> 05:27:51,574
complainant engaged in activity

9313
05:27:51,574 --> 05:27:53,710
protected under this article,

9314
05:27:53,710 --> 05:27:56,710
and two, adverse action taken

9315
05:27:57,810 --> 05:27:58,615
against the complainant factored

9316
05:27:58,615 --> 05:28:01,150
in the protected disclosure.

9317
05:28:01,351 --> 05:28:03,751
And protected disclosure is

9318
05:28:05,321 --> 05:28:05,990
defined within the ordinance

9319
05:28:05,990 --> 05:28:06,690
itself.

9320
05:28:06,690 --> 05:28:07,657
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

9321
05:28:07,657 --> 05:28:08,825
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

9322
05:28:08,825 --> 05:28:09,759
and a second by councilor

9323
05:28:09,759 --> 05:28:11,361
fiebelkorn, for floor amendment

9324
05:28:11,361 --> 05:28:12,162
number three.

9325
05:28:12,162 --> 05:28:12,996
Any discussion?

9326
05:28:12,996 --> 05:28:13,763
Councilor bassan.

9327
05:28:13,763 --> 05:28:15,432
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

9328
05:28:15,432 --> 05:28:17,267
I just want to clarify,

9329
05:28:17,267 --> 05:28:19,267
protected disclosure, this

9330
05:28:20,904 --> 05:28:21,305
amendment is adding the

9331
05:28:21,305 --> 05:28:23,305
definition.

9332
05:28:23,773 --> 05:28:26,509
It's not already in the bill.

9333
05:28:26,509 --> 05:28:28,112
I thought I just heard it was

9334
05:28:28,112 --> 05:28:29,779
already in the bill.

9335
05:28:29,779 --> 05:28:30,180
This is adding in the

9336
05:28:30,180 --> 05:28:32,180
definition.

9337
05:28:32,348 --> 05:28:33,349
>>coun. Telles: I'm sorry.

9338
05:28:33,349 --> 05:28:35,349
Thank you.

9339
05:28:37,420 --> 05:28:38,520
Yes, protected disclosure,

9340
05:28:38,520 --> 05:28:40,223
individual consistent with the

9341
05:28:40,223 --> 05:28:41,591
standards and case law

9342
05:28:41,591 --> 05:28:43,991
interpreting the new mexico

9343
05:28:44,270 --> 05:28:46,270
whistleblower protection act.

9344
05:28:46,290 --> 05:28:46,329
That's what it is consistent

9345
05:28:46,329 --> 05:28:48,329
with.

9346
05:28:49,366 --> 05:28:49,699
The state wising

9347
05:28:49,699 --> 05:28:50,990
ing

9348
05:28:50,990 --> 05:28:50,432
ing

9349
05:28:50,432 --> 05:28:52,235
ing

9350
05:28:52,235 --> 05:28:52,869
wisingal --

9351
05:28:52,869 --> 05:28:54,869
whistleblower act.

9352
05:28:55,271 --> 05:28:55,672
That's is the protected

9353
05:28:55,672 --> 05:28:56,473
disclosure.

9354
05:28:56,473 --> 05:28:57,907
>>coun. Pe}a: does that answer

9355
05:28:57,907 --> 05:28:59,676
your question?

9356
05:28:59,676 --> 05:29:01,978
>>coun. Bassan: I guess, I'm

9357
05:29:01,978 --> 05:29:03,246
just making sure everyone is

9358
05:29:03,246 --> 05:29:04,648
aware this amendment is adding

9359
05:29:04,648 --> 05:29:06,648
in that definition.

9360
05:29:07,830 --> 05:29:08,551
It's not in the proposed bill.

9361
05:29:08,551 --> 05:29:10,551
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9362
05:29:10,987 --> 05:29:11,388
I'm sorry if that wasn't

9363
05:29:11,388 --> 05:29:12,220
clarified.

9364
05:29:12,220 --> 05:29:13,156
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

9365
05:29:13,156 --> 05:29:14,457
Any other discussion?

9366
05:29:14,457 --> 05:29:16,457
Seeing none.

9367
05:29:17,560 --> 05:29:19,560
[Roll call].

9368
05:29:20,498 --> 05:29:22,498
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9369
05:29:25,702 --> 05:29:27,437
>>coun. Bassan: no.

9370
05:29:27,437 --> 05:29:29,437
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9371
05:29:30,540 --> 05:29:32,540
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9372
05:29:33,109 --> 05:29:34,811
>>coun. Grout: no.

9373
05:29:34,811 --> 05:29:36,811
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

9374
05:29:37,380 --> 05:29:38,648
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9375
05:29:38,648 --> 05:29:39,315
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9376
05:29:39,315 --> 05:29:41,715
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9377
05:29:43,653 --> 05:29:46,357
>> passes on a 7-2 vote.

9378
05:29:46,357 --> 05:29:46,856
>>coun. Pe}a: we're on floor

9379
05:29:46,856 --> 05:29:48,240
amendment c.

9380
05:29:48,240 --> 05:29:49,727
Floor amendment number four.

9381
05:29:49,727 --> 05:29:50,940
>>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM

9382
05:29:50,940 --> 05:29:51,762
PRESIDENT.

9383
05:29:51,762 --> 05:29:53,464
This amendment as a provision

9384
05:29:53,464 --> 05:29:55,699
that really emphasizes the

9385
05:29:55,699 --> 05:29:57,167
identity of a reporting

9386
05:29:57,167 --> 05:29:59,369
individual shall be kept

9387
05:29:59,369 --> 05:30:01,171
confidential and provides a

9388
05:30:01,171 --> 05:30:01,538
reporting individual MAY be

9389
05:30:01,538 --> 05:30:03,173
anonymous.

9390
05:30:03,173 --> 05:30:03,873
I urge your support.

9391
05:30:03,873 --> 05:30:05,843
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.

9392
05:30:05,843 --> 05:30:06,309
>>coun. Pe}a: any discussion?

9393
05:30:06,309 --> 05:30:08,309
Seeing none.

9394
05:30:10,800 --> 05:30:12,800
[Roll call].

9395
05:30:13,183 --> 05:30:15,183
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9396
05:30:16,186 --> 05:30:18,186
>>coun. Bassan: no.

9397
05:30:18,555 --> 05:30:20,555
>>coun. Champine: no.

9398
05:30:21,825 --> 05:30:23,825
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9399
05:30:23,860 --> 05:30:25,860
>>coun. Grout: no.

9400
05:30:26,563 --> 05:30:28,298
>>coun. Lewis: no.

9401
05:30:28,298 --> 05:30:28,865
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9402
05:30:28,865 --> 05:30:30,600
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9403
05:30:30,600 --> 05:30:33,000
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

9404
05:30:34,137 --> 05:30:35,271
>> fails on a 4-5 vote.

9405
05:30:35,271 --> 05:30:39,471
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now back on

9406
05:30:44,581 --> 05:30:46,216
the bill as amended four times.

9407
05:30:46,216 --> 05:30:48,216
Amended four times.

9408
05:30:50,687 --> 05:30:51,550
Three times?

9409
05:30:51,550 --> 05:30:53,550
No?

9410
05:30:54,325 --> 05:30:54,624
I have four.

9411
05:30:54,624 --> 05:30:56,624
Okay.

9412
05:30:57,280 --> 05:31:00,131
And we have another one labeled

9413
05:31:00,131 --> 05:31:00,931
d?

9414
05:31:00,931 --> 05:31:03,331
>>coun. Telles: MADAM PRESIDENT,

9415
05:31:04,402 --> 05:31:05,770
that has been withdrawn.

9416
05:31:05,770 --> 05:31:07,170
>>coun. Pe}a: it just got handed

9417
05:31:07,170 --> 05:31:09,170
to me.

9418
05:31:10,241 --> 05:31:11,374
With that, any discussion by

9419
05:31:11,374 --> 05:31:12,777
councilors?

9420
05:31:12,777 --> 05:31:13,943
Seeing none.

9421
05:31:13,943 --> 05:31:14,711
Councilor bassan to close.

9422
05:31:14,711 --> 05:31:15,980
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

9423
05:31:15,980 --> 05:31:18,715
I actually have a question about

9424
05:31:18,715 --> 05:31:20,715
the protected disclosure.

9425
05:31:22,653 --> 05:31:24,521
I realize, just to clarify,

9426
05:31:24,521 --> 05:31:26,921
maybe in the upcoming

9427
05:31:29,460 --> 05:31:31,128
whistleblower ordinance update,

9428
05:31:31,128 --> 05:31:32,863
I believe it's perhaps might be

9429
05:31:32,863 --> 05:31:36,463
the people turning the faucet on

9430
05:31:37,333 --> 05:31:38,435
without the pipe.

9431
05:31:38,435 --> 05:31:39,102
To be something considered

9432
05:31:39,102 --> 05:31:40,236
moving forward.

9433
05:31:40,236 --> 05:31:43,207
I don't think there's a system

9434
05:31:43,207 --> 05:31:44,874
in place for a protected

9435
05:31:44,874 --> 05:31:47,274
disclosure in the city.

9436
05:31:47,845 --> 05:31:48,644
That probably needs to get built

9437
05:31:48,644 --> 05:31:50,644
out now.

9438
05:31:51,810 --> 05:31:53,950
With everything else, aside from

9439
05:31:53,950 --> 05:31:56,950
that, I urge your support.

9440
05:31:58,288 --> 05:31:58,854
>>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk [Roll

9441
05:31:58,854 --> 05:32:00,854
call].

9442
05:32:00,857 --> 05:32:02,559
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9443
05:32:02,559 --> 05:32:04,294
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9444
05:32:04,294 --> 05:32:06,294
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9445
05:32:06,396 --> 05:32:08,264
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9446
05:32:08,264 --> 05:32:10,233
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9447
05:32:10,233 --> 05:32:12,233
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

9448
05:32:12,403 --> 05:32:13,470
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9449
05:32:13,470 --> 05:32:14,237
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9450
05:32:14,237 --> 05:32:15,505
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9451
05:32:15,505 --> 05:32:17,505
>> passes unanimously.

9452
05:32:21,478 --> 05:32:25,348
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on p2.

9453
05:32:25,348 --> 05:32:26,783
>>coun. Champine: p2-6-2.

9454
05:32:26,783 --> 05:32:29,520
Adoption sent to the voters

9455
05:32:29,520 --> 05:32:30,287
proposing to amend article five

9456
05:32:30,287 --> 05:32:32,323
of the charter regarding the

9457
05:32:32,323 --> 05:32:33,189
appointment removal and

9458
05:32:33,189 --> 05:32:34,157
independence of the city

9459
05:32:34,157 --> 05:32:36,557
attorney and city clerk.

9460
05:32:39,462 --> 05:32:40,663
I move for do pass.

9461
05:32:40,663 --> 05:32:40,997
>>coun. Pe}a: was there a

9462
05:32:40,997 --> 05:32:42,997
second?

9463
05:32:43,768 --> 05:32:44,735
There's a motion, and a second

9464
05:32:44,735 --> 05:32:46,735
by councilor fiebelkorn.

9465
05:32:47,700 --> 05:32:48,506
For p-2.

9466
05:32:48,506 --> 05:32:49,372
Councilor champine to open.

9467
05:32:49,372 --> 05:32:51,441
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

9468
05:32:51,441 --> 05:32:53,441
MADAM PRESIDENT.

9469
05:32:54,210 --> 05:32:56,120
This is to submit a chart

9470
05:32:56,120 --> 05:32:57,314
charter amendment to the

9471
05:32:57,314 --> 05:32:59,714
amendment to the voters.

9472
05:33:00,550 --> 05:33:03,386
The amendment is basically going

9473
05:33:03,386 --> 05:33:04,889
to propose to change the charter

9474
05:33:04,889 --> 05:33:06,322
regarding our appointment

9475
05:33:06,322 --> 05:33:09,322
removal and independence of the

9476
05:33:12,461 --> 05:33:13,129
city clerk and city attorney.

9477
05:33:13,129 --> 05:33:14,464
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

9478
05:33:14,464 --> 05:33:16,199
We'll go to public comment.

9479
05:33:16,199 --> 05:33:17,340
We have a couple people signed

9480
05:33:17,340 --> 05:33:18,402
up to speak.

9481
05:33:18,402 --> 05:33:20,802
>> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

9482
05:33:21,137 --> 05:33:24,137
We have francesco followed by

9483
05:33:36,285 --> 05:33:38,285
mervin.

9484
05:33:38,455 --> 05:33:40,855
>> plenty of ambulance chasers

9485
05:33:41,458 --> 05:33:42,560
out there, but the only ethical

9486
05:33:42,560 --> 05:33:44,940
professionals with integrity and

9487
05:33:44,940 --> 05:33:46,564
good character can be the tip of

9488
05:33:46,564 --> 05:33:48,531
the spear of law enforcement,

9489
05:33:48,531 --> 05:33:50,935
pulling in over six figures.

9490
05:33:50,935 --> 05:33:52,935
Multiple guardrails already

9491
05:33:53,169 --> 05:33:55,972
exist, including but not limited

9492
05:33:55,972 --> 05:33:57,907
to city policy, and the state

9493
05:33:57,907 --> 05:33:59,744
bar that prohibits attorneys

9494
05:33:59,744 --> 05:34:01,678
from making misleading and false

9495
05:34:01,678 --> 05:34:04,780
statements into the record.

9496
05:34:04,582 --> 05:34:07,718
No need for permission from a

9497
05:34:07,718 --> 05:34:08,520
king to get rid of bad faith

9498
05:34:08,520 --> 05:34:10,520
lawyers.

9499
05:34:10,653 --> 05:34:13,623
much as they want to, the

9500
05:34:13,623 --> 05:34:15,126
constitution prohibits royalty

9501
05:34:15,126 --> 05:34:17,427
from paying unethical attorneys

9502
05:34:17,427 --> 05:34:18,962
working for the city after they

9503
05:34:18,962 --> 05:34:19,263
loose their license to practice

9504
05:34:19,263 --> 05:34:21,263
law.

9505
05:34:22,320 --> 05:34:25,632
Cut off the money train, report

9506
05:34:27,237 --> 05:34:30,837
them to the state bar, problem

9507
05:34:31,342 --> 05:34:33,342
solved.

9508
05:34:35,460 --> 05:34:35,979
>> mervin.

9509
05:34:35,979 --> 05:34:38,379
I believe that concludes

9510
05:34:53,363 --> 05:34:55,363
comment.

9511
05:35:00,336 --> 05:35:02,739
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I move floor

9512
05:35:02,739 --> 05:35:04,474
amendment number one.

9513
05:35:04,474 --> 05:35:06,210
This is addition into both page

9514
05:35:06,210 --> 05:35:06,609
three, line ten, and page four

9515
05:35:06,609 --> 05:35:08,609
line eight.

9516
05:35:08,812 --> 05:35:10,414
It says the mayor MAY remove the

9517
05:35:10,414 --> 05:35:12,749
city attorney or the city clerk

9518
05:35:12,749 --> 05:35:14,985
at any time with notice to the

9519
05:35:14,985 --> 05:35:15,352
council and interim city

9520
05:35:15,352 --> 05:35:17,352
attorney.

9521
05:35:17,554 --> 05:35:18,789
The council MAY remove city

9522
05:35:18,789 --> 05:35:21,789
attorney with notice to the

9523
05:35:22,426 --> 05:35:25,562
mayor and city attorney by an

9524
05:35:25,562 --> 05:35:26,296
affirmative vote of 7 members of

9525
05:35:26,296 --> 05:35:27,197
the council.

9526
05:35:27,197 --> 05:35:29,400
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

9527
05:35:29,400 --> 05:35:29,733
and a second by councilor

9528
05:35:29,733 --> 05:35:30,800
telles.

9529
05:35:30,800 --> 05:35:31,468
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

9530
05:35:31,468 --> 05:35:33,468
MADAM PRESIDENT.

9531
05:35:34,939 --> 05:35:37,273
This is really just clarifying

9532
05:35:37,273 --> 05:35:39,673
when these appointed positions

9533
05:35:41,978 --> 05:35:43,313
can be ere mufb

9534
05:35:43,313 --> 05:35:44,613
removed and by whom and

9535
05:35:44,613 --> 05:35:48,213
making sure city council has a

9536
05:35:53,390 --> 05:35:54,124
path there.

9537
05:35:54,124 --> 05:35:54,425
Sdmrp okay.

9538
05:35:54,425 --> 05:35:55,526
I was

9539
05:35:55,526 --> 05:35:56,326
.

9540
05:35:56,326 --> 05:35:56,961
>>coun. Pe}a: I was trying to

9541
05:35:56,961 --> 05:35:57,360
read the amendment.

9542
05:35:57,360 --> 05:35:58,328
I'm sorry.

9543
05:35:58,328 --> 05:36:00,328
I'm catching up.

9544
05:36:01,365 --> 05:36:04,334
Any discussion on the amendment?

9545
05:36:04,334 --> 05:36:04,901
No?

9546
05:36:04,901 --> 05:36:05,635
Councilor fiebelkorn.

9547
05:36:05,635 --> 05:36:07,370
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

9548
05:36:07,370 --> 05:36:07,838
support.

9549
05:36:07,838 --> 05:36:09,240
>>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk.

9550
05:36:09,240 --> 05:36:11,174
[Roll call].

9551
05:36:11,174 --> 05:36:12,709
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9552
05:36:12,709 --> 05:36:14,277
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9553
05:36:14,277 --> 05:36:16,277
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9554
05:36:16,846 --> 05:36:18,715
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9555
05:36:18,715 --> 05:36:20,715
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9556
05:36:21,117 --> 05:36:22,986
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

9557
05:36:22,986 --> 05:36:24,200
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9558
05:36:24,200 --> 05:36:24,555
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9559
05:36:24,555 --> 05:36:26,955
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9560
05:36:28,892 --> 05:36:30,892
>> passes unanimously.

9561
05:36:32,796 --> 05:36:34,632
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

9562
05:36:34,632 --> 05:36:35,532
amendment -- not labeled in your

9563
05:36:35,532 --> 05:36:36,500
packet -- this is floor

9564
05:36:36,500 --> 05:36:37,200
amendment number two.

9565
05:36:37,200 --> 05:36:37,734
Councilor fiebelkorn and

9566
05:36:37,734 --> 05:36:38,535
councilor champine.

9567
05:36:38,535 --> 05:36:39,350
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

9568
05:36:39,350 --> 05:36:40,136
MADAM PRESIDENT.

9569
05:36:40,136 --> 05:36:40,470
I think there's confusion on

9570
05:36:40,470 --> 05:36:42,470
this.

9571
05:36:42,739 --> 05:36:46,339
I want to make sure we're

9572
05:37:03,426 --> 05:37:07,260
getting two up on the screen.

9573
05:37:11,267 --> 05:37:11,701
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: great.

9574
05:37:11,701 --> 05:37:13,604
Thank you.

9575
05:37:13,604 --> 05:37:15,939
Floor amendment number two.

9576
05:37:15,939 --> 05:37:18,939
It's now on the screen.

9577
05:37:19,876 --> 05:37:22,120
Basically, this removes the

9578
05:37:22,120 --> 05:37:24,814
language that had city council

9579
05:37:24,814 --> 05:37:26,951
participating in the appointment

9580
05:37:26,951 --> 05:37:27,250
of the city attorney and city

9581
05:37:27,250 --> 05:37:29,250
clerk.

9582
05:37:30,120 --> 05:37:31,955
It takes us back to the mayor

9583
05:37:31,955 --> 05:37:33,791
doing his thing and interviewing

9584
05:37:33,791 --> 05:37:34,724
folks and doing hr, which is not

9585
05:37:34,724 --> 05:37:36,724
our job.

9586
05:37:36,860 --> 05:37:39,860
And bringing that appointment to

9587
05:37:42,198 --> 05:37:44,000
council for approval by majority

9588
05:37:44,000 --> 05:37:46,000
of us.

9589
05:37:46,603 --> 05:37:47,400
Two-thirds of the entire

9590
05:37:47,400 --> 05:37:49,400
membership.

9591
05:37:49,740 --> 05:37:51,741
This is really getting us away

9592
05:37:51,741 --> 05:37:52,976
from hr, which has been the

9593
05:37:52,976 --> 05:37:54,244
problem that I have heard from

9594
05:37:54,244 --> 05:37:57,113
the administration as well as

9595
05:37:57,113 --> 05:37:58,582
from other folks.

9596
05:37:58,582 --> 05:38:00,283
I am happy to answer any

9597
05:38:00,283 --> 05:38:02,283
questions.

9598
05:38:03,554 --> 05:38:04,555
>>coun. Pe}a: any questions?

9599
05:38:04,555 --> 05:38:05,560
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

9600
05:38:05,560 --> 05:38:06,723
MADAM PRESIDENT.

9601
05:38:06,723 --> 05:38:08,925
It's not really a question as

9602
05:38:08,925 --> 05:38:09,226
I'm co-sponsor, I will second

9603
05:38:09,226 --> 05:38:11,226
it.

9604
05:38:12,960 --> 05:38:13,630
I know we haven't had a second.

9605
05:38:13,630 --> 05:38:16,663
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

9606
05:38:16,933 --> 05:38:17,300
and a second by vice PRESIDENT

9607
05:38:17,300 --> 05:38:18,168
Champine.

9608
05:38:18,168 --> 05:38:19,636
>>coun. Champine: when I started

9609
05:38:19,636 --> 05:38:20,770
going through this charter

9610
05:38:20,770 --> 05:38:23,474
amendment and the idea of what

9611
05:38:23,474 --> 05:38:24,374
this was, I was very thankful

9612
05:38:24,374 --> 05:38:25,542
for the fact that councilor

9613
05:38:25,542 --> 05:38:28,780
fiebelkorn reached out and said,

9614
05:38:28,780 --> 05:38:29,345
hey, can we sit down and talk.

9615
05:38:29,345 --> 05:38:30,947
I'm going through it and I have

9616
05:38:30,947 --> 05:38:31,981
a few questions.

9617
05:38:31,981 --> 05:38:33,516
We sat down.

9618
05:38:33,516 --> 05:38:34,984
Discussed the questions we had.

9619
05:38:34,984 --> 05:38:36,251
And then actually came back

9620
05:38:36,251 --> 05:38:40,451
again and said here I have a

9621
05:38:42,492 --> 05:38:44,327
couple of ideas that might

9622
05:38:44,327 --> 05:38:45,729
necessarily improve it.

9623
05:38:45,729 --> 05:38:47,731
This is a good collaboration.

9624
05:38:47,731 --> 05:38:50,600
She pointed out a couple things

9625
05:38:50,600 --> 05:38:52,602
that said this might work better

9626
05:38:52,602 --> 05:38:54,370
than the way written right now.

9627
05:38:54,370 --> 05:38:56,306
Seconding it, but I also urge

9628
05:38:56,306 --> 05:38:58,541
your support with it in the

9629
05:38:58,541 --> 05:38:58,908
sense of knowing it wasn't

9630
05:38:58,908 --> 05:38:59,777
one-sided.

9631
05:38:59,777 --> 05:39:02,777
This is a collaboration between

9632
05:39:04,180 --> 05:39:04,848
the two of us which was awesome.

9633
05:39:04,848 --> 05:39:05,448
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM

9634
05:39:05,448 --> 05:39:07,448
PRESIDENT, I'm sorry.

9635
05:39:08,251 --> 05:39:10,860
I think we had the wrong one up.

9636
05:39:10,860 --> 05:39:14,286
Show the one labeled d in the

9637
05:39:16,626 --> 05:39:17,761
printout in front of us, please.

9638
05:39:17,761 --> 05:39:19,596
>>coun. Pe}a: I have a hard time

9639
05:39:19,596 --> 05:39:21,596
seeing that far.

9640
05:39:23,340 --> 05:39:24,267
It didn't coincide what I was

9641
05:39:24,267 --> 05:39:25,135
looking down with.

9642
05:39:25,135 --> 05:39:27,535
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I apologize.

9643
05:39:27,904 --> 05:39:29,205
Even with my new glasses I can't

9644
05:39:29,205 --> 05:39:30,173
see that far.

9645
05:39:30,173 --> 05:39:33,773
>>coun. Pe}a: I know you're

9646
05:39:38,114 --> 05:39:41,114
writing your own amendments --

9647
05:39:50,427 --> 05:39:51,695
that's it.

9648
05:39:51,695 --> 05:39:54,950
Go to the top.

9649
05:39:54,464 --> 05:39:56,701
it says amendment b.

9650
05:39:56,701 --> 05:39:57,734
Out of courtesy, if you're

9651
05:39:57,734 --> 05:40:00,734
writing them independent of the

9652
05:40:02,390 --> 05:40:03,730
staff, if we can put up d on

9653
05:40:03,730 --> 05:40:05,800
that liable.

9654
05:40:05,800 --> 05:40:05,810
And did you give explanation on

9655
05:40:05,810 --> 05:40:07,810
the bottom?

9656
05:40:15,218 --> 05:40:17,218
It's just helpful.

9657
05:40:18,722 --> 05:40:19,356
>> MADAM PRESIDENT.

9658
05:40:19,356 --> 05:40:21,356
>>coun. Champine: MADAM

9659
05:40:23,893 --> 05:40:25,893
PRESIDENT.

9660
05:40:26,364 --> 05:40:28,310
>>coun. Bassan: I was looking at

9661
05:40:28,310 --> 05:40:29,566
r-30 amendment packet.

9662
05:40:29,566 --> 05:40:30,935
Not the p2.

9663
05:40:30,935 --> 05:40:32,335
My fault.

9664
05:40:32,335 --> 05:40:34,305
I apologize.

9665
05:40:34,305 --> 05:40:34,839
>>coun. Pe}a: I'm like this is

9666
05:40:34,839 --> 05:40:36,839
what I have.

9667
05:40:39,744 --> 05:40:40,760
>>coun. Champine: we are on

9668
05:40:40,760 --> 05:40:42,760
p-2-62.

9669
05:40:42,512 --> 05:40:42,912
>>coun. Pe}a: with that, any

9670
05:40:42,912 --> 05:40:44,347
discussion?

9671
05:40:44,347 --> 05:40:45,949
Seeing none.

9672
05:40:45,949 --> 05:40:46,316
Councilor fiebelkorn, councilor

9673
05:40:46,316 --> 05:40:47,517
champine.

9674
05:40:47,517 --> 05:40:47,851
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

9675
05:40:47,851 --> 05:40:49,851
support.

9676
05:40:54,324 --> 05:40:55,325
[Roll call].

9677
05:40:55,325 --> 05:40:56,860
--

9678
05:40:56,860 --> 05:40:58,280
>>coun. Pe}a: second by

9679
05:40:58,280 --> 05:40:59,763
councilor champine.

9680
05:40:59,763 --> 05:41:00,331
[Roll call].

9681
05:41:00,331 --> 05:41:01,731
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9682
05:41:01,731 --> 05:41:03,334
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9683
05:41:03,334 --> 05:41:05,334
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9684
05:41:05,568 --> 05:41:07,538
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9685
05:41:07,538 --> 05:41:09,239
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9686
05:41:09,239 --> 05:41:11,239
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

9687
05:41:11,675 --> 05:41:12,942
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9688
05:41:12,942 --> 05:41:13,544
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9689
05:41:13,544 --> 05:41:15,944
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9690
05:41:15,979 --> 05:41:17,979
>> passes unanimously.

9691
05:41:18,948 --> 05:41:20,517
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

9692
05:41:20,517 --> 05:41:22,917
amendment that actually is

9693
05:41:23,887 --> 05:41:24,220
labeled c on the top right-hand

9694
05:41:24,220 --> 05:41:25,560
corner.

9695
05:41:25,560 --> 05:41:26,189
It will be now floor amendment

9696
05:41:26,189 --> 05:41:27,324
number three.

9697
05:41:27,324 --> 05:41:27,857
Councilor fiebelkorn and

9698
05:41:27,857 --> 05:41:29,857
councilor champine.

9699
05:41:30,260 --> 05:41:30,827
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

9700
05:41:30,827 --> 05:41:32,827
MADAM PRESIDENT.

9701
05:41:33,229 --> 05:41:33,862
We're going to put this one up

9702
05:41:33,862 --> 05:41:35,862
on the screen.

9703
05:41:37,601 --> 05:41:39,737
This one basically just says

9704
05:41:39,737 --> 05:41:42,972
that in both -- on page three,

9705
05:41:42,972 --> 05:41:45,208
line ten, page four line eight,

9706
05:41:45,208 --> 05:41:47,608
interim appointment cannot last

9707
05:41:48,511 --> 05:41:50,514
for more than 270 days.

9708
05:41:50,514 --> 05:41:52,315
I'm making sure that it looks

9709
05:41:52,315 --> 05:41:55,315
like -- that is it.

9710
05:41:55,652 --> 05:41:57,154
I'll move that amendment.

9711
05:41:57,154 --> 05:41:59,550
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

9712
05:41:59,550 --> 05:42:02,525
and a second by councilor telles

9713
05:42:02,525 --> 05:42:03,259
for floor amendment number

9714
05:42:03,259 --> 05:42:05,259
three.

9715
05:42:08,131 --> 05:42:08,699
Any questions?

9716
05:42:08,699 --> 05:42:09,499
Councilor rogers.

9717
05:42:09,499 --> 05:42:09,899
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

9718
05:42:09,899 --> 05:42:11,899
PRESIDENT.

9719
05:42:15,380 --> 05:42:17,273
Just a quick question.

9720
05:42:17,273 --> 05:42:18,575
270, how did we arrive at that

9721
05:42:18,575 --> 05:42:19,542
many days?

9722
05:42:19,542 --> 05:42:20,577
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thanks for

9723
05:42:20,577 --> 05:42:21,778
the question, councilor.

9724
05:42:21,778 --> 05:42:23,613
That is consistent with the rest

9725
05:42:23,613 --> 05:42:25,613
of the charter.

9726
05:42:25,782 --> 05:42:27,284
Since it was already being used

9727
05:42:27,284 --> 05:42:29,452
elsewhere, we decided to use it

9728
05:42:29,452 --> 05:42:30,487
here.

9729
05:42:30,487 --> 05:42:32,489
>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

9730
05:42:32,489 --> 05:42:34,157
Just wondering if the admin is

9731
05:42:34,157 --> 05:42:36,557
good with the 270 days?

9732
05:42:40,730 --> 05:42:42,730
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor,

9733
05:42:43,666 --> 05:42:44,000
the consistency is useful in the

9734
05:42:44,000 --> 05:42:45,690
charter.

9735
05:42:45,690 --> 05:42:45,736
>>coun. Pe}a: councilor

9736
05:42:45,736 --> 05:42:47,736
fiebelkorn and councilor

9737
05:42:47,938 --> 05:42:49,806
champine to close.

9738
05:42:49,806 --> 05:42:50,140
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

9739
05:42:50,140 --> 05:42:51,410
support.

9740
05:42:51,410 --> 05:42:53,977
>>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk.

9741
05:42:53,977 --> 05:42:54,244
[Roll call].

9742
05:42:54,244 --> 05:42:55,145
Sgrb

9743
05:42:55,145 --> 05:42:55,912
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9744
05:42:55,912 --> 05:42:57,447
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9745
05:42:57,447 --> 05:42:59,447
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9746
05:42:59,749 --> 05:43:01,749
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9747
05:43:02,152 --> 05:43:04,550
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9748
05:43:04,550 --> 05:43:05,889
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

9749
05:43:05,889 --> 05:43:07,157
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9750
05:43:07,157 --> 05:43:07,725
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9751
05:43:07,725 --> 05:43:09,760
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9752
05:43:09,760 --> 05:43:11,294
>> passes unanimously.

9753
05:43:11,294 --> 05:43:12,830
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

9754
05:43:12,830 --> 05:43:15,265
amendment labeled d in your

9755
05:43:15,265 --> 05:43:15,598
packet on the top right-hand

9756
05:43:15,598 --> 05:43:17,598
corner.

9757
05:43:17,867 --> 05:43:18,501
It will be floor amendment

9758
05:43:18,501 --> 05:43:19,350
number four.

9759
05:43:19,350 --> 05:43:19,836
Councilor bassan.

9760
05:43:19,836 --> 05:43:22,236
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

9761
05:43:22,839 --> 05:43:24,909
I'm not moving that one.

9762
05:43:24,909 --> 05:43:26,909
Thank you.

9763
05:43:26,910 --> 05:43:31,110
>>coun. Pe}a: we have p-2 as

9764
05:43:32,949 --> 05:43:33,917
amended three times.

9765
05:43:33,917 --> 05:43:35,251
Correct?

9766
05:43:35,251 --> 05:43:37,251
Okay.

9767
05:43:41,424 --> 05:43:43,424
Any discussion?

9768
05:43:43,861 --> 05:43:44,160
Vice PRESIDENT Champine to

9769
05:43:44,160 --> 05:43:44,929
close.

9770
05:43:44,929 --> 05:43:47,197
>>coun. Champine: I urge your

9771
05:43:47,197 --> 05:43:49,597
support for this one.

9772
05:43:51,768 --> 05:43:53,768
[Roll call].

9773
05:43:54,204 --> 05:43:56,204
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9774
05:43:56,506 --> 05:43:58,506
>>coun. Bassan: no.

9775
05:43:58,509 --> 05:44:00,509
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9776
05:44:01,344 --> 05:44:03,344
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9777
05:44:03,614 --> 05:44:05,614
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9778
05:44:06,316 --> 05:44:08,316
>>coun. Lewis: yes.

9779
05:44:08,886 --> 05:44:10,886
>>coun. Rogers: no.

9780
05:44:11,588 --> 05:44:12,289
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9781
05:44:12,289 --> 05:44:14,689
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

9782
05:44:15,125 --> 05:44:16,860
>> passes on a 6-3 vote.

9783
05:44:16,860 --> 05:44:19,260
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

9784
05:44:20,131 --> 05:44:22,399
We're now on to -- oh, companion

9785
05:44:22,399 --> 05:44:24,399
bill.

9786
05:44:24,868 --> 05:44:25,503
R-30.

9787
05:44:25,503 --> 05:44:26,269
Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

9788
05:44:26,269 --> 05:44:28,669
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

9789
05:44:29,105 --> 05:44:31,410
MADAM PRESIDENT.

9790
05:44:31,410 --> 05:44:32,910
R-2-630 is the companion bill to

9791
05:44:32,910 --> 05:44:34,910
the p-bill.

9792
05:44:35,612 --> 05:44:37,848
Adopting the proposition to be

9793
05:44:37,848 --> 05:44:38,949
steent the voters at the next

9794
05:44:38,949 --> 05:44:40,510
election.

9795
05:44:40,510 --> 05:44:41,510
Concerning amendment to article

9796
05:44:41,510 --> 05:44:42,686
five section four of the

9797
05:44:42,686 --> 05:44:44,686
albuquerque city charter.

9798
05:44:45,789 --> 05:44:46,590
In regards to the city clerk and

9799
05:44:46,590 --> 05:44:48,458
city attorney.

9800
05:44:48,458 --> 05:44:49,826
This is providing the form of

9801
05:44:49,826 --> 05:44:52,226
question and designated clause

9802
05:44:52,395 --> 05:44:54,395
for such question.

9803
05:44:56,434 --> 05:44:57,767
I make a motion for do pass.

9804
05:44:57,767 --> 05:44:59,669
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

9805
05:44:59,669 --> 05:45:02,405
and second by committee of the

9806
05:45:02,405 --> 05:45:04,405
whole chair grout.

9807
05:45:11,147 --> 05:45:14,147
Vice PRESIDENT Champine to open.

9808
05:45:14,718 --> 05:45:17,118
>>coun. Champine: one second,

9809
05:45:32,268 --> 05:45:34,268
MADAM PRESIDENT.

9810
05:45:41,511 --> 05:45:44,511
>> we have francesco signed up

9811
05:45:45,315 --> 05:45:47,510
to speak.

9812
05:45:47,510 --> 05:45:49,152
>> just because you can do

9813
05:45:49,152 --> 05:45:49,486
something doesn't mean you

9814
05:45:49,486 --> 05:45:51,486
should.

9815
05:45:52,989 --> 05:45:55,493
How many lifetimes would you

9816
05:45:55,493 --> 05:45:57,427
need to forgive someone who knew

9817
05:45:57,427 --> 05:46:00,497
you were innocent but broke the

9818
05:46:00,497 --> 05:46:01,898
law to cover up having broken

9819
05:46:01,898 --> 05:46:04,266
the law while tampering with

9820
05:46:04,266 --> 05:46:07,700
evidence to put you in jail for

9821
05:46:07,700 --> 05:46:09,470
the crimes they committed?

9822
05:46:10,774 --> 05:46:12,543
I pray for theimate release of

9823
05:46:12,543 --> 05:46:15,178
public records in the matter of

9824
05:46:15,178 --> 05:46:17,140
mayor keller's illegal wall.

9825
05:46:17,140 --> 05:46:19,717
Get your affairs in order.

9826
05:46:19,717 --> 05:46:22,117
There's no statute of

9827
05:46:22,285 --> 05:46:23,687
limitations on conspiracy.

9828
05:46:23,687 --> 05:46:24,287
Otherwise, known as organized

9829
05:46:24,287 --> 05:46:26,156
crime.

9830
05:46:26,156 --> 05:46:29,756
Sooner or letter, the rule of

9831
05:46:30,460 --> 05:46:31,629
law will come for you.

9832
05:46:31,629 --> 05:46:33,629
Turn yourself in.

9833
05:46:39,200 --> 05:46:40,904
MAY GOD for mercy on your soul.

9834
05:46:40,904 --> 05:46:43,239
>> that concludes comment, MADAM

9835
05:46:43,239 --> 05:46:43,908
PRESIDENT.

9836
05:46:43,908 --> 05:46:44,475
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you.

9837
05:46:44,475 --> 05:46:46,475
Councilor champine.

9838
05:46:46,776 --> 05:46:48,212
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

9839
05:46:48,212 --> 05:46:50,146
MADAM PRESIDENT.

9840
05:46:50,146 --> 05:46:52,348
Just as the p bill.

9841
05:46:52,348 --> 05:46:54,884
The companion part is changing

9842
05:46:54,884 --> 05:46:56,853
the hiring interest the city

9843
05:46:56,853 --> 05:46:58,688
clerk and city attorney to be

9844
05:46:58,688 --> 05:47:00,924
selected from a committee

9845
05:47:00,924 --> 05:47:02,559
composed of two from the mayor

9846
05:47:02,559 --> 05:47:04,527
and two from the city council

9847
05:47:04,527 --> 05:47:05,930
and they should make

9848
05:47:05,930 --> 05:47:06,262
recommendation to the full

9849
05:47:06,262 --> 05:47:07,797
council.

9850
05:47:07,797 --> 05:47:08,965
Again it clarifies the mayor and

9851
05:47:08,965 --> 05:47:11,365
committee will recommend to

9852
05:47:12,669 --> 05:47:15,171
council the appointee to fill

9853
05:47:15,171 --> 05:47:17,107
the city clerk vacancies within

9854
05:47:17,107 --> 05:47:19,909
90 days of the mayor's first

9855
05:47:19,909 --> 05:47:22,460
term and successive term as

9856
05:47:22,460 --> 05:47:24,548
mayor or upon vacancy of either

9857
05:47:24,548 --> 05:47:26,948
one of the offices.

9858
05:47:27,852 --> 05:47:30,120
Again, myself we wrote this -- I

9859
05:47:30,120 --> 05:47:32,255
wrote this up and we have some

9860
05:47:32,255 --> 05:47:35,255
amendments coming forth that I

9861
05:47:36,590 --> 05:47:38,459
teamed up with councilor

9862
05:47:44,969 --> 05:47:46,369
fiebelkorn.

9863
05:47:46,369 --> 05:47:48,739
>>coun. Pe}a: we'll go to the

9864
05:47:48,739 --> 05:47:51,139
floor amendments labeled a.

9865
05:47:51,475 --> 05:47:51,775
That will be floor amendment

9866
05:47:51,775 --> 05:47:52,442
wbnen.

9867
05:47:52,442 --> 05:47:52,977
Councilor fiebelkorn and

9868
05:47:52,977 --> 05:47:53,911
councilor champine.

9869
05:47:53,911 --> 05:47:56,179
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: these are

9870
05:47:56,179 --> 05:47:56,446
pretty repetitive from the last

9871
05:47:56,446 --> 05:47:58,446
one.

9872
05:47:58,848 --> 05:48:01,284
Floor amendment number one is on

9873
05:48:01,284 --> 05:48:02,986
page three, line 12, on page

9874
05:48:02,986 --> 05:48:06,190
four line ten, we just add in

9875
05:48:06,190 --> 05:48:08,558
the language that says that both

9876
05:48:08,558 --> 05:48:12,158
the mayor or city council can

9877
05:48:13,430 --> 05:48:14,597
remove interim city attorneys.

9878
05:48:14,597 --> 05:48:15,932
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

9879
05:48:15,932 --> 05:48:17,100
and second by committee of the

9880
05:48:17,100 --> 05:48:18,468
whole chair grout.

9881
05:48:18,468 --> 05:48:19,102
Any questions?

9882
05:48:19,102 --> 05:48:19,870
Seeing none.

9883
05:48:19,870 --> 05:48:21,872
Councilor fiebelkorn to close.

9884
05:48:21,872 --> 05:48:22,206
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

9885
05:48:22,206 --> 05:48:24,206
support.

9886
05:48:25,675 --> 05:48:27,675
[Roll call].

9887
05:48:27,677 --> 05:48:29,447
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9888
05:48:29,447 --> 05:48:30,848
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9889
05:48:30,848 --> 05:48:32,848
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9890
05:48:33,950 --> 05:48:35,950
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9891
05:48:37,787 --> 05:48:38,421
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9892
05:48:38,421 --> 05:48:40,421
>>coun. Lewis: --

9893
05:48:44,394 --> 05:48:47,394
>>coun. Pe}a: he's excused.

9894
05:48:47,630 --> 05:48:49,265
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9895
05:48:49,265 --> 05:48:50,660
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9896
05:48:50,660 --> 05:48:52,466
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9897
05:48:53,537 --> 05:48:55,380
>> passes on an 8-0 vote.

9898
05:48:55,380 --> 05:48:56,606
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

9899
05:48:56,606 --> 05:48:59,420
amendment labeled b in your

9900
05:48:59,420 --> 05:49:00,878
packet on the right-hand corner.

9901
05:49:00,878 --> 05:49:03,460
It will be floor amendment

9902
05:49:03,460 --> 05:49:03,848
number two.

9903
05:49:03,848 --> 05:49:04,381
Councilor fiebelkorn and vice

9904
05:49:04,381 --> 05:49:05,248
PRESIDENT Champine.

9905
05:49:05,248 --> 05:49:05,715
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

9906
05:49:05,715 --> 05:49:06,716
MADAM PRESIDENT.

9907
05:49:06,716 --> 05:49:08,385
I'm going to move floor

9908
05:49:08,385 --> 05:49:10,385
amendment number two.

9909
05:49:10,754 --> 05:49:13,556
Which for both the city attorney

9910
05:49:13,556 --> 05:49:15,910
and city clerk clarifies the

9911
05:49:15,910 --> 05:49:17,628
beginning of the mayor's term,

9912
05:49:17,628 --> 05:49:21,228
whether the first term of new

9913
05:49:21,232 --> 05:49:24,832
mayor or second term of the

9914
05:49:25,468 --> 05:49:28,571
mayor or -- the mayor shall 90

9915
05:49:28,571 --> 05:49:30,140
days to appoint to council fill

9916
05:49:30,140 --> 05:49:31,108
the position.

9917
05:49:31,108 --> 05:49:34,544
>>coun. Pe}a: motion and a

9918
05:49:34,544 --> 05:49:36,460
second by committee of the whole

9919
05:49:36,460 --> 05:49:36,846
chair grout.

9920
05:49:36,846 --> 05:49:37,747
Councilor fiebelkorn and vice

9921
05:49:37,747 --> 05:49:38,681
PRESIDENT Champine to close.

9922
05:49:38,681 --> 05:49:39,490
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

9923
05:49:39,490 --> 05:49:41,490
support.

9924
05:49:41,251 --> 05:49:43,251
[Roll call].

9925
05:49:44,255 --> 05:49:46,255
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9926
05:49:47,424 --> 05:49:49,424
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9927
05:49:51,861 --> 05:49:53,861
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9928
05:49:54,631 --> 05:49:56,599
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9929
05:49:56,599 --> 05:49:58,468
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9930
05:49:58,468 --> 05:49:59,303
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9931
05:49:59,303 --> 05:50:00,400
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9932
05:50:00,400 --> 05:50:02,404
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9933
05:50:02,739 --> 05:50:05,709
>> passes on an 8-0 vote.

9934
05:50:05,709 --> 05:50:07,711
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

9935
05:50:07,711 --> 05:50:09,145
amendment labeled c.

9936
05:50:09,145 --> 05:50:10,680
It will be floor amendment

9937
05:50:10,680 --> 05:50:12,680
number three.

9938
05:50:16,986 --> 05:50:18,221
Councilors and -- councilor

9939
05:50:18,221 --> 05:50:18,588
fiebelkorn and councilor

9940
05:50:18,588 --> 05:50:19,356
champine.

9941
05:50:19,356 --> 05:50:20,757
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I'll move

9942
05:50:20,757 --> 05:50:23,157
floor amendment number three.

9943
05:50:24,561 --> 05:50:27,630
Page three line 12 and page four

9944
05:50:27,630 --> 05:50:29,660
line ten, clarifies both city

9945
05:50:29,660 --> 05:50:32,666
attorney and city clerk can be

9946
05:50:33,570 --> 05:50:35,739
interim for a total of 207 days.

9947
05:50:35,739 --> 05:50:36,974
>>coun. Pe}a: motion and a

9948
05:50:36,974 --> 05:50:38,141
second by councilor grout.

9949
05:50:38,141 --> 05:50:38,875
any discussion?

9950
05:50:38,875 --> 05:50:41,111
Councilor fiebelkorn and vice

9951
05:50:41,111 --> 05:50:41,945
PRESIDENT Champine to close.

9952
05:50:41,945 --> 05:50:44,345
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your

9953
05:50:45,915 --> 05:50:47,251
support.

9954
05:50:47,251 --> 05:50:49,850
[Roll call].

9955
05:50:49,850 --> 05:50:50,954
>>coun. Baca: yes.

9956
05:50:50,954 --> 05:50:52,689
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

9957
05:50:52,689 --> 05:50:54,624
>>coun. Champine: yes.

9958
05:50:54,624 --> 05:50:56,624
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

9959
05:50:57,327 --> 05:50:59,162
>>coun. Grout: yes.

9960
05:50:59,162 --> 05:51:00,196
>>coun. Rogers: yes.

9961
05:51:00,196 --> 05:51:00,730
>>coun. Telles: yes.

9962
05:51:00,730 --> 05:51:03,130
>>coun. Pe}a: yes.

9963
05:51:03,666 --> 05:51:05,435
>> passes on an 8-0 vote.

9964
05:51:05,435 --> 05:51:07,837
>>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor

9965
05:51:07,837 --> 05:51:08,739
amendment labeled b.

9966
05:51:08,739 --> 05:51:09,840
It will become floor amendment

9967
05:51:09,840 --> 05:51:10,373
number four.

9968
05:51:10,373 --> 05:51:11,274
Councilor bassan.

9969
05:51:11,274 --> 05:51:13,977
>>coun. Bassan: I'm not going to

9970
05:51:13,977 --> 05:51:14,844
move that, MADAM PRESIDENT.

9971
05:51:14,844 --> 05:51:15,945
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

9972
05:51:15,945 --> 05:51:17,947
We'll dispose of that.

9973
05:51:17,947 --> 05:51:21,547
We're back on the bill as

9974
05:51:24,688 --> 05:51:26,389
amended three times.

9975
05:51:26,389 --> 05:51:28,324
Back too

9976
05:51:28,324 --> 05:51:28,692
-- any questions,

9977
05:51:28,692 --> 05:51:29,626
comments?

9978
05:51:29,626 --> 05:51:31,495
Councilor champine to close.

9979
05:51:31,495 --> 05:51:32,290
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

9980
05:51:32,290 --> 05:51:34,290
MADAM PRESIDENT.

9981
05:51:34,431 --> 05:51:37,431
Just, again, to reemphasize like

9982
05:51:38,535 --> 05:51:40,535
with had

9983
05:51:40,603 --> 05:51:41,404
p-bill, and r is the

9984
05:51:41,404 --> 05:51:43,390
companion bill.

9985
05:51:43,390 --> 05:51:46,390
Certain situations took place in

9986
05:51:47,244 --> 05:51:48,545
the past that promoted this idea

9987
05:51:48,545 --> 05:51:50,945
of ensuring there's an

9988
05:51:51,116 --> 05:51:51,915
independence between the city

9989
05:51:51,915 --> 05:51:54,284
attorney and city council and

9990
05:51:54,284 --> 05:51:57,284
the mayor's office and changing

9991
05:51:58,520 --> 05:51:59,790
the hiring procedure to this

9992
05:51:59,790 --> 05:52:02,790
committee to present to the

9993
05:52:04,600 --> 05:52:06,290
council as wales -- well-as the

9994
05:52:06,290 --> 05:52:08,132
city clerk but clarifying the

9995
05:52:08,132 --> 05:52:09,900
times that the city attorney and

9996
05:52:09,900 --> 05:52:11,301
city clerk need to be appointed

9997
05:52:11,301 --> 05:52:12,602
with an interim deal.

9998
05:52:12,602 --> 05:52:14,839
It's really trying to mandate

9999
05:52:14,839 --> 05:52:16,106
the city attorney and city clerk

10000
05:52:16,106 --> 05:52:17,842
have an employment agreement

10001
05:52:17,842 --> 05:52:19,676
with the city that the mayor can

10002
05:52:19,676 --> 05:52:21,545
terminate as well as the council

10003
05:52:21,545 --> 05:52:25,145
can terminate based on a certain

10004
05:52:29,320 --> 05:52:29,652
number of votes and because of

10005
05:52:29,652 --> 05:52:31,870
actions.

10006
05:52:31,870 --> 05:52:33,890
This also establishes the city

10007
05:52:33,890 --> 05:52:35,592
attorney accountable to both but

10008
05:52:35,592 --> 05:52:36,760
independent to the mayor and

10009
05:52:36,760 --> 05:52:39,162
mayor's office and city council

10010
05:52:39,162 --> 05:52:41,432
office as it should be and is

10011
05:52:41,432 --> 05:52:44,868
not part either of the executive

10012
05:52:44,868 --> 05:52:46,836
branch ear the city council.

10013
05:52:46,836 --> 05:52:48,605
It promotes independence of the

10014
05:52:48,605 --> 05:52:50,440
city clerk and city attorney not

10015
05:52:50,440 --> 05:52:52,760
only have the freedom to

10016
05:52:52,760 --> 05:52:54,244
represent both entities of the

10017
05:52:54,244 --> 05:52:56,790
government, but also is account

10018
05:52:56,790 --> 05:52:57,747
to both entities of the

10019
05:52:57,747 --> 05:52:59,650
government in a very well

10020
05:52:59,650 --> 05:53:02,500
balanced checks and balances.

10021
05:53:05,889 --> 05:53:06,122
With that, I urge your support.

10022
05:53:06,122 --> 05:53:08,580
.

10023
05:53:08,580 --> 05:53:09,250
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, I apologize

10024
05:53:09,250 --> 05:53:11,250
for the interruption.

10025
05:53:11,270 --> 05:53:12,530
I just want to make sure we're

10026
05:53:12,530 --> 05:53:14,230
ticking all the procedural boxes

10027
05:53:14,230 --> 05:53:16,230
for the resolution.

10028
05:53:17,100 --> 05:53:19,301
The charter requires when we

10029
05:53:19,301 --> 05:53:21,571
have a p-bill going to the

10030
05:53:21,571 --> 05:53:23,600
ballot that gets amended, the

10031
05:53:23,600 --> 05:53:24,274
city attorney reviews the

10032
05:53:24,274 --> 05:53:26,509
language contained in the

10033
05:53:26,509 --> 05:53:29,509
summary on the resolution to

10034
05:53:34,117 --> 05:53:35,860
ensure it is still consistent.

10035
05:53:35,860 --> 05:53:38,860
This is the opportunity before

10036
05:53:39,924 --> 05:53:41,570
we take a final vote.

10037
05:53:41,570 --> 05:53:43,160
>>coun. Champine: I know the

10038
05:53:43,160 --> 05:53:43,828
procedure I didn't know when to

10039
05:53:43,828 --> 05:53:45,828
clarify that.

10040
05:53:46,463 --> 05:53:48,631
We would need to check with the

10041
05:53:48,631 --> 05:53:51,501
city attorney to make sure both

10042
05:53:51,501 --> 05:53:52,970
match based on the amendment?

10043
05:53:52,970 --> 05:53:53,904
>> I recommend we do that before

10044
05:53:53,904 --> 05:53:55,904
we vote.

10045
05:53:56,773 --> 05:53:58,775
If there are any edits we can

10046
05:53:58,775 --> 05:54:02,375
make those before we make the

10047
05:54:04,982 --> 05:54:05,749
final vote on the bill.

10048
05:54:05,749 --> 05:54:08,749
>>coun. Champine: I think she

10049
05:54:10,153 --> 05:54:12,589
has to go over it now?

10050
05:54:12,589 --> 05:54:13,957
>>coun. Pe}a: can we defer it?

10051
05:54:13,957 --> 05:54:16,357
>>coun. Champine: we cannot

10052
05:54:17,228 --> 05:54:18,161
defer it in the time.

10053
05:54:18,161 --> 05:54:21,761
>>coun. Pe}a: that's lot of

10054
05:54:21,965 --> 05:54:22,332
pressure to read all that right

10055
05:54:22,332 --> 05:54:24,332
now.

10056
05:54:26,337 --> 05:54:27,404
Okay.

10057
05:54:27,404 --> 05:54:28,638
>>coun. Champine: make a motion

10058
05:54:28,638 --> 05:54:30,839
to table while the attorney

10059
05:54:30,839 --> 05:54:32,175
reads it over it based on the

10060
05:54:32,175 --> 05:54:33,943
amendments that both the p-bill

10061
05:54:33,943 --> 05:54:35,413
and r-bill match.

10062
05:54:35,413 --> 05:54:37,914
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

10063
05:54:37,914 --> 05:54:41,514
and second by councilor grout to

10064
05:54:42,453 --> 05:54:44,587
table this item, which is r-30.

10065
05:54:44,587 --> 05:54:48,187
Until our city attorney had an

10066
05:54:49,994 --> 05:54:52,328
opportunity to read the bill.

10067
05:54:52,328 --> 05:54:54,328
[Roll call].

10068
05:54:55,399 --> 05:54:57,101
>>coun. Baca: yes.

10069
05:54:57,101 --> 05:54:58,668
>>coun. Bassan: no.

10070
05:54:58,668 --> 05:55:00,668
>>coun. Champine: yes.

10071
05:55:01,705 --> 05:55:03,705
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

10072
05:55:05,308 --> 05:55:07,308
>>coun. Grout: yes.

10073
05:55:08,440 --> 05:55:09,779
>>coun. Rogers: no.

10074
05:55:09,779 --> 05:55:10,480
>>coun. Telles: yes.

10075
05:55:10,480 --> 05:55:12,880
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

10076
05:55:13,183 --> 05:55:14,500
>> passes on a 5-3 vote.

10077
05:55:14,500 --> 05:55:16,450
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

10078
05:55:18,540 --> 05:55:18,688
We'll move on to --

10079
05:55:18,688 --> 05:55:19,550
>>coun. Champine: MADAM

10080
05:55:19,550 --> 05:55:21,550
PRESIDENT.

10081
05:55:21,291 --> 05:55:23,694
I need to suspend the rules.

10082
05:55:23,694 --> 05:55:25,729
I make a motion to suspend the

10083
05:55:25,729 --> 05:55:26,930
rules to extend the meeting

10084
05:55:26,930 --> 05:55:28,398
until 12:30.

10085
05:55:28,398 --> 05:55:29,632
>>coun. Pe}a: motion, and a

10086
05:55:29,632 --> 05:55:32,632
second by councilor grout to

10087
05:55:37,374 --> 05:55:39,774
tengsd the [Roll call].

10088
05:55:39,776 --> 05:55:41,776
>>coun. Baca: yes.

10089
05:55:42,312 --> 05:55:44,181
>>coun. Bassan: no.

10090
05:55:44,181 --> 05:55:46,181
>>coun. Champine: yes.

10091
05:55:46,250 --> 05:55:48,250
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

10092
05:55:49,452 --> 05:55:51,452
>>coun. Grout: yes.

10093
05:55:51,588 --> 05:55:52,857
>>coun. Rogers: no.

10094
05:55:52,857 --> 05:55:54,857
>>coun. Telles: yes.

10095
05:56:10,407 --> 05:56:11,776
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

10096
05:56:11,776 --> 05:56:12,810
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

10097
05:56:12,810 --> 05:56:15,810
I'll make a motion for

10098
05:56:30,361 --> 05:56:32,361
reconsideration.

10099
05:56:42,440 --> 05:56:44,841
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion.

10100
05:56:44,841 --> 05:56:46,209
[Roll call].

10101
05:56:46,209 --> 05:56:48,440
>>coun. Baca: yes.

10102
05:56:48,440 --> 05:56:49,546
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

10103
05:56:49,546 --> 05:56:51,546
>>coun. Champine: yes.

10104
05:56:52,315 --> 05:56:54,315
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

10105
05:56:54,718 --> 05:56:56,718
>>coun. Grout: yes.

10106
05:56:57,721 --> 05:56:58,421
>>coun. Rogers: no.

10107
05:56:58,421 --> 05:57:00,124
>>coun. Telles: yes.

10108
05:57:00,124 --> 05:57:02,524
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

10109
05:57:05,262 --> 05:57:06,620
>> passes on a 6-2 vote.

10110
05:57:06,620 --> 05:57:08,462
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

10111
05:57:08,965 --> 05:57:11,835
I make a motion to suspend the

10112
05:57:11,835 --> 05:57:13,690
rules to extend the meeting

10113
05:57:13,690 --> 05:57:14,205
until 12:30.

10114
05:57:14,205 --> 05:57:16,706
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

10115
05:57:16,706 --> 05:57:20,306
and a second by councilor grout

10116
05:57:20,410 --> 05:57:23,410
to extend the meeting to 12:30.

10117
05:57:25,140 --> 05:57:27,140
[Roll call].

10118
05:57:27,150 --> 05:57:28,985
>>coun. Baca: yes.

10119
05:57:28,985 --> 05:57:30,687
>>coun. Bassan: yes.

10120
05:57:30,687 --> 05:57:32,655
>>coun. Champine: yes.

10121
05:57:32,655 --> 05:57:34,525
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.

10122
05:57:34,525 --> 05:57:36,326
>>coun. Grout: yes.

10123
05:57:36,326 --> 05:57:37,127
>>coun. Rogers: no.

10124
05:57:37,127 --> 05:57:39,950
>>coun. Telles: yes.

10125
05:57:39,950 --> 05:57:41,495
>>coun. Pe}a: no.

10126
05:57:44,935 --> 05:57:45,935
>> passes on a 6-2 vote.

10127
05:57:45,935 --> 05:57:46,704
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

10128
05:57:46,704 --> 05:57:48,805
>>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,

10129
05:57:48,805 --> 05:57:51,410
if there's no one online we

10130
05:57:51,410 --> 05:57:51,775
don't have to continue roll call

10131
05:57:51,775 --> 05:57:53,775
anymore, correct?

10132
05:57:54,677 --> 05:57:57,677
Just want to make sure.

10133
05:58:02,285 --> 05:58:02,786
>>coun. Pe}a: correct.

10134
05:58:02,786 --> 05:58:04,121
Councilor baca.

10135
05:58:04,121 --> 05:58:07,121
Are we on that one?

10136
05:58:09,125 --> 05:58:09,426
Yes, we are.

10137
05:58:09,426 --> 05:58:10,827
R-56.

10138
05:58:10,827 --> 05:58:13,227
>>coun. Baca: MADAM PRESIDENT,

10139
05:58:16,933 --> 05:58:17,167
r-56, amending adopted capital

10140
05:58:17,167 --> 05:58:19,167
im

10141
05:58:20,360 --> 05:58:20,804
imalism

10142
05:58:20,804 --> 05:58:21,638
im

10143
05:58:21,638 --> 05:58:23,638
imimplementation program.

10144
05:58:24,542 --> 05:58:26,576
I move do pass.

10145
05:58:26,576 --> 05:58:26,910
>>coun. Pe}a: there was a

10146
05:58:26,910 --> 05:58:28,111
motion.

10147
05:58:28,111 --> 05:58:30,511
Was there a second?

10148
05:58:34,417 --> 05:58:36,817
Second by councilor fiebelkorn.

10149
05:58:39,956 --> 05:58:42,356
councilor baca to open.

10150
05:58:42,525 --> 05:58:42,892
>>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM

10151
05:58:42,892 --> 05:58:44,661
PRESIDENT.

10152
05:58:44,661 --> 05:58:44,995
This is the administration's

10153
05:58:44,995 --> 05:58:46,964
request.

10154
05:58:46,964 --> 05:58:51,164
If they have anything to say, I

10155
05:58:54,404 --> 05:58:57,607
open the floor to DR. Sengel.

10156
05:58:57,607 --> 05:58:58,942
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

10157
05:58:58,942 --> 05:59:00,900
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, I apologize.

10158
05:59:00,900 --> 05:59:00,877
I was sleeping.

10159
05:59:00,877 --> 05:59:02,877
I want actually.

10160
05:59:05,480 --> 05:59:07,448
But I was reading.

10161
05:59:11,121 --> 05:59:12,256
This item is -- I apologize.

10162
05:59:12,256 --> 05:59:14,624
>>coun. Pe}a: I don't know that

10163
05:59:14,624 --> 05:59:17,624
you need to open, open.

10164
05:59:18,428 --> 05:59:19,663
I think we're good.

10165
05:59:19,663 --> 05:59:21,331
>>coun. Pe}a: I'll go to

10166
05:59:21,331 --> 05:59:23,331
questions by councilors.

10167
05:59:24,902 --> 05:59:25,201
You have an amendment?

10168
05:59:25,201 --> 05:59:25,702
Okay.

10169
05:59:25,702 --> 05:59:26,504
Councilor rogers.

10170
05:59:26,504 --> 05:59:26,870
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

10171
05:59:26,870 --> 05:59:28,104
PRESIDENT.

10172
05:59:28,104 --> 05:59:31,704
I'd like to move floor amendment

10173
05:59:32,308 --> 05:59:32,643
a, or number one.

10174
05:59:32,643 --> 05:59:34,643
R-26-66.

10175
05:59:37,547 --> 05:59:37,947
Page one, line 26, insert the

10176
05:59:37,947 --> 05:59:39,947
following.

10177
05:59:39,949 --> 05:59:42,349
Section 2, the following project

10178
05:59:43,254 --> 05:59:45,254
scope is changed.

10179
05:59:47,257 --> 05:59:48,726
Project title district six food

10180
05:59:48,726 --> 05:59:49,930
security source of the 25 go

10181
05:59:49,930 --> 05:59:51,930
bond.

10182
05:59:51,940 --> 05:59:52,362
These changes add a project to

10183
05:59:52,362 --> 05:59:53,930
provide rez

10184
05:59:53,930 --> 05:59:56,330
sident of city council

10185
05:59:56,766 --> 05:59:59,360
district six with a facility or

10186
05:59:59,360 --> 06:00:00,938
locations to grow fresh fruit

10187
06:00:00,938 --> 06:00:02,938
and vegetables.

10188
06:00:04,174 --> 06:00:06,443
I urge your support.

10189
06:00:06,443 --> 06:00:09,580
>>coun. Pe}a: is there a second?

10190
06:00:09,580 --> 06:00:11,414
There's a motion, and a second

10191
06:00:11,414 --> 06:00:12,416
by councilor grout for a floor

10192
06:00:12,416 --> 06:00:14,416
amendment number one.

10193
06:00:18,555 --> 06:00:19,289
Any discussion?

10194
06:00:19,289 --> 06:00:19,789
>>coun. Champine: thank you,

10195
06:00:19,789 --> 06:00:21,789
MADAM PRESIDENT.

10196
06:00:21,992 --> 06:00:24,992
Just a point of clarification.

10197
06:00:26,960 --> 06:00:27,564
Is the city providing the land?

10198
06:00:27,564 --> 06:00:28,932
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, vice

10199
06:00:28,932 --> 06:00:30,932
president champine.

10200
06:00:32,302 --> 06:00:33,504
We're planting on different city

10201
06:00:33,504 --> 06:00:35,605
location like community centers

10202
06:00:35,605 --> 06:00:37,307
that already have gardens and

10203
06:00:37,307 --> 06:00:38,708
also parks.

10204
06:00:38,708 --> 06:00:40,711
We put council district six.

10205
06:00:40,711 --> 06:00:43,513
The money was in youth and

10206
06:00:43,513 --> 06:00:45,948
families, but we needed to put

10207
06:00:45,948 --> 06:00:48,118
them at city locations we

10208
06:00:48,118 --> 06:00:48,819
already have planned that exist.

10209
06:00:48,819 --> 06:00:50,819
>>coun. Champine: perfect.

10210
06:00:51,187 --> 06:00:53,256
Thank you for that.

10211
06:00:53,256 --> 06:00:54,791
>>coun. Pe}a: does this come

10212
06:00:54,791 --> 06:00:56,393
with the same time frame to get

10213
06:00:56,393 --> 06:00:57,527
it done?

10214
06:00:57,527 --> 06:00:58,610
>>coun. Rogers: yes, MADAM

10215
06:00:58,610 --> 06:01:00,610
PRESIDENT.

10216
06:01:00,630 --> 06:01:01,564
It would be included -- I didn't

10217
06:01:01,564 --> 06:01:02,999
change the substance of the bill

10218
06:01:02,999 --> 06:01:05,399
for the timeline change.

10219
06:01:08,371 --> 06:01:11,274
We do have a timeline for the go

10220
06:01:11,274 --> 06:01:11,841
bond already.

10221
06:01:11,841 --> 06:01:14,241
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

10222
06:01:17,881 --> 06:01:19,881
[Roll --

10223
06:01:21,510 --> 06:01:24,550
>>coun. Pe}a: all those in favor

10224
06:01:24,550 --> 06:01:27,550
of floor amendment number one,

10225
06:01:29,359 --> 06:01:32,959
say yes and raise your hand.

10226
06:01:35,565 --> 06:01:35,899
We are back on the bill as

10227
06:01:35,899 --> 06:01:36,466
amended.

10228
06:01:36,466 --> 06:01:38,466
Councilor baca.

10229
06:01:38,601 --> 06:01:38,868
Questions from councilors?

10230
06:01:38,868 --> 06:01:40,868
No.

10231
06:01:42,306 --> 06:01:45,141
>>coun. Baca: I urge your

10232
06:01:45,141 --> 06:01:47,141
support.

10233
06:01:47,511 --> 06:01:51,681
>>coun. Pe}a: all those in favor

10234
06:01:51,681 --> 06:01:52,383
of r-56, say yes and raise your

10235
06:01:52,383 --> 06:01:54,383
hand.

10236
06:01:54,751 --> 06:01:56,751
Opposed, same motion.

10237
06:01:58,655 --> 06:02:00,655
Motion passes unanimously.

10238
06:02:01,324 --> 06:02:03,590
We're now on r-57.

10239
06:02:03,590 --> 06:02:04,761
Dedicating state capital outlay

10240
06:02:04,761 --> 06:02:07,761
funds to specific projects and

10241
06:02:08,932 --> 06:02:10,301
spaces and requiring council

10242
06:02:10,301 --> 06:02:11,801
approval of changes.

10243
06:02:11,801 --> 06:02:14,801
I have to apologize, councilor

10244
06:02:16,306 --> 06:02:18,274
rogers, I thought this -- I'm

10245
06:02:18,274 --> 06:02:18,576
getting tired -- in this actual

10246
06:02:18,576 --> 06:02:20,210
bill.

10247
06:02:20,210 --> 06:02:21,478
I would have voted yes.

10248
06:02:21,478 --> 06:02:24,478
We can't change it now.

10249
06:02:26,250 --> 06:02:29,250
i would have voted yes.

10250
06:02:33,591 --> 06:02:33,991
Councilor fiebelkorn.

10251
06:02:33,991 --> 06:02:35,625
--

10252
06:02:35,625 --> 06:02:35,926
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I move do

10253
06:02:35,926 --> 06:02:36,559
pass.

10254
06:02:36,559 --> 06:02:37,427
>>coun. Rogers: second.

10255
06:02:37,427 --> 06:02:38,661
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

10256
06:02:38,661 --> 06:02:41,661
and second by councilor rogers

10257
06:02:42,131 --> 06:02:44,734
for do pass of r-57.

10258
06:02:44,734 --> 06:02:45,301
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

10259
06:02:45,301 --> 06:02:47,301
MADAM PRESIDENT.

10260
06:02:49,172 --> 06:02:50,740
I did not want to propose this

10261
06:02:50,740 --> 06:02:52,740
bill.

10262
06:02:52,275 --> 06:02:54,110
I still don't want to pass it.

10263
06:02:54,110 --> 06:02:56,790
I have gotten to the point where

10264
06:02:56,790 --> 06:02:57,747
I cannot get projects completed

10265
06:02:57,747 --> 06:02:59,747
in my district.

10266
06:02:59,784 --> 06:03:01,784
The administration just will not

10267
06:03:01,784 --> 06:03:03,521
work with me.

10268
06:03:03,521 --> 06:03:04,788
I have been in office for four

10269
06:03:04,788 --> 06:03:07,188
and a half years.

10270
06:03:15,165 --> 06:03:16,633
I have gotten one road capital

10271
06:03:16,633 --> 06:03:17,400
outlay state project completed

10272
06:03:17,400 --> 06:03:19,400
in four years.

10273
06:03:20,170 --> 06:03:21,671
My breaking point came when

10274
06:03:21,671 --> 06:03:24,700
capital outlay amount of money

10275
06:03:24,700 --> 06:03:26,276
that I raised quite a few years

10276
06:03:26,276 --> 06:03:27,811
ago, and it's very clearly

10277
06:03:27,811 --> 06:03:29,120
supposed to be for three

10278
06:03:29,120 --> 06:03:31,412
projects and the administration

10279
06:03:31,514 --> 06:03:33,830
has repeatedly used for

10280
06:03:33,830 --> 06:03:35,218
different project mchdz despite

10281
06:03:35,218 --> 06:03:36,453
the fact that I'm willing to

10282
06:03:36,453 --> 06:03:38,922
raise the money and I'm the one

10283
06:03:38,922 --> 06:03:40,190
that talks to legislators and

10284
06:03:40,190 --> 06:03:41,858
promised what the money is going

10285
06:03:41,858 --> 06:03:43,592
to be spent on.

10286
06:03:43,592 --> 06:03:45,428
That followed up with another

10287
06:03:45,428 --> 06:03:46,764
project that they changed the

10288
06:03:46,764 --> 06:03:47,531
place they're going to be

10289
06:03:47,531 --> 06:03:49,531
implementing something without

10290
06:03:50,467 --> 06:03:52,569
any discussions with me.

10291
06:03:52,569 --> 06:03:53,200
I just don't think this is good

10292
06:03:53,200 --> 06:03:55,200
government.

10293
06:03:56,806 --> 06:04:00,406
I do appreciate the call from

10294
06:04:01,770 --> 06:04:02,379
the cao today.

10295
06:04:02,379 --> 06:04:04,247
So, I am going to go ahead and

10296
06:04:04,247 --> 06:04:06,584
move the amendments and get

10297
06:04:06,584 --> 06:04:08,584
things going.

10298
06:04:08,718 --> 06:04:11,154
And I'll move for deferral.

10299
06:04:11,154 --> 06:04:13,356
if the cao was honest about what

10300
06:04:13,356 --> 06:04:14,958
she said in the call which is

10301
06:04:14,958 --> 06:04:16,159
she's going to work with the

10302
06:04:16,159 --> 06:04:18,610
city councilors that raised this

10303
06:04:18,610 --> 06:04:20,997
money to get projects completed

10304
06:04:20,997 --> 06:04:22,800
in city council districts.

10305
06:04:22,800 --> 06:04:25,135
If that is the promise that is

10306
06:04:25,135 --> 06:04:27,837
made on this dais, I will move a

10307
06:04:27,837 --> 06:04:29,639
deferral to see how much we can

10308
06:04:29,639 --> 06:04:30,540
actually get done before we hear

10309
06:04:30,540 --> 06:04:32,540
this bill again.

10310
06:04:34,544 --> 06:04:38,681
I would like to first move the

10311
06:04:38,681 --> 06:04:39,382
amendment to get the bill ready.

10312
06:04:39,382 --> 06:04:40,116
>>coun. Pe}a: thank you,

10313
06:04:40,116 --> 06:04:42,116
councilor fiebelkorn.

10314
06:04:43,754 --> 06:04:44,120
I actually only have one

10315
06:04:44,120 --> 06:04:44,621
amendment.

10316
06:04:44,621 --> 06:04:46,589
Councilor rogers.

10317
06:04:46,589 --> 06:04:46,956
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

10318
06:04:46,956 --> 06:04:48,725
PRESIDENT.

10319
06:04:48,725 --> 06:04:52,325
This will be amendment on page

10320
06:04:55,130 --> 06:04:57,834
two, after line 23, add and

10321
06:04:57,834 --> 06:04:58,902
amend section one as follows,

10322
06:04:58,902 --> 06:04:59,269
albuquerque teen recreation

10323
06:04:59,269 --> 06:04:59,969
center.

10324
06:04:59,969 --> 06:05:01,969
Same thing.

10325
06:05:02,272 --> 06:05:03,907
Just want to make sure this is

10326
06:05:03,907 --> 06:05:05,842
as intended.

10327
06:05:05,842 --> 06:05:08,244
And so, just add additional

10328
06:05:08,244 --> 06:05:11,244
state capital projects that was

10329
06:05:13,184 --> 06:05:14,618
already approved by state.

10330
06:05:14,618 --> 06:05:16,486
Worked with MR. Whelan and think

10331
06:05:16,486 --> 06:05:19,189
we can do the same thing.

10332
06:05:19,189 --> 06:05:20,156
Get to a good resolution before

10333
06:05:20,156 --> 06:05:21,726
our next council meeting.

10334
06:05:21,726 --> 06:05:22,920
I urge your support on the

10335
06:05:22,920 --> 06:05:23,760
amendment.

10336
06:05:23,760 --> 06:05:24,461
>>coun. Pe}a: we need a motion.

10337
06:05:24,461 --> 06:05:26,296
>>coun. Rogers: thank you.

10338
06:05:26,296 --> 06:05:27,464
I move the amendment.

10339
06:05:27,464 --> 06:05:28,665
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

10340
06:05:28,665 --> 06:05:29,866
and a second by councilor

10341
06:05:29,866 --> 06:05:30,935
fiebelkorn for floor amendment

10342
06:05:30,935 --> 06:05:32,935
number one.

10343
06:05:33,269 --> 06:05:34,104
All those -- councilor bassan.

10344
06:05:34,104 --> 06:05:36,172
>>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,

10345
06:05:36,172 --> 06:05:37,841
I know that I received -- I

10346
06:05:37,841 --> 06:05:39,175
believe it went to all the

10347
06:05:39,175 --> 06:05:40,877
councilors regarding a potential

10348
06:05:40,877 --> 06:05:42,345
for separation of powers issue.

10349
06:05:42,345 --> 06:05:43,213
i'd like to ask for

10350
06:05:43,213 --> 06:05:45,213
clarification on that.

10351
06:05:47,617 --> 06:05:49,520
In addition, because of that, I

10352
06:05:49,520 --> 06:05:52,652
struggle to -- it's not personal

10353
06:05:53,324 --> 06:05:55,158
to anybody, but if there's a

10354
06:05:55,158 --> 06:05:56,993
risk of separation of powers

10355
06:05:56,993 --> 06:05:59,430
issues that I could potentially

10356
06:05:59,430 --> 06:06:00,597
see this being, but I'd love to

10357
06:06:00,597 --> 06:06:02,699
hear from the city attorney

10358
06:06:02,699 --> 06:06:04,334
before I end up voting on this

10359
06:06:04,334 --> 06:06:05,668
amendment or the bill.

10360
06:06:05,668 --> 06:06:06,770
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: if I can

10361
06:06:06,770 --> 06:06:07,705
clarify, there are two

10362
06:06:07,705 --> 06:06:10,410
amendments coming up that

10363
06:06:10,410 --> 06:06:13,410
address the separation of powers

10364
06:06:16,179 --> 06:06:18,179
issue.

10365
06:06:20,650 --> 06:06:23,500
>>coun. Pe}a: okay.

10366
06:06:24,540 --> 06:06:26,540
We'll --

10367
06:06:27,724 --> 06:06:28,524
>> yes, we did receive a message

10368
06:06:28,524 --> 06:06:30,524
identifying two potential

10369
06:06:30,994 --> 06:06:32,729
separation of powers issues.

10370
06:06:32,729 --> 06:06:34,164
And I'll defer to the city

10371
06:06:34,164 --> 06:06:35,832
attorney if I say anything

10372
06:06:35,832 --> 06:06:36,666
incorrect based on that

10373
06:06:36,666 --> 06:06:38,666
analysis.

10374
06:06:39,135 --> 06:06:40,837
There could be an issue with

10375
06:06:40,837 --> 06:06:44,340
giving a deadline to complete a

10376
06:06:44,340 --> 06:06:46,744
work order of SEPTEMBER 30th.

10377
06:06:46,744 --> 06:06:49,946
And then, an issue with section

10378
06:06:49,946 --> 06:06:52,482
two of the bill which would

10379
06:06:52,482 --> 06:06:53,584
require approval by the

10380
06:06:53,584 --> 06:06:55,984
councilor whose district a

10381
06:06:57,987 --> 06:07:01,258
project is located in to pursue

10382
06:07:01,258 --> 06:07:03,860
a change to the project scope.

10383
06:07:03,860 --> 06:07:05,295
And the issue raised there was

10384
06:07:05,295 --> 06:07:07,131
that the initial project is

10385
06:07:07,131 --> 06:07:09,666
approved by the council as a

10386
06:07:09,666 --> 06:07:11,801
body and that can be changed

10387
06:07:11,801 --> 06:07:13,236
with consent from one councilor.

10388
06:07:13,236 --> 06:07:15,236
As councilor fiebelkorn

10389
06:07:15,405 --> 06:07:17,240
mentioned, there are amendments

10390
06:07:17,240 --> 06:07:18,808
later on in the ipads that

10391
06:07:18,808 --> 06:07:20,510
weren't printed out because we

10392
06:07:20,510 --> 06:07:22,912
couldn't get to them before we

10393
06:07:22,912 --> 06:07:24,881
got this analysis.

10394
06:07:24,881 --> 06:07:28,481
But we can talk about those

10395
06:07:29,352 --> 06:07:30,987
further when we get to those.

10396
06:07:30,987 --> 06:07:31,654
>>coun. Bassan: I guess have a

10397
06:07:31,654 --> 06:07:33,654
follow-up question.

10398
06:07:35,260 --> 06:07:36,160
Do those amendments relate to

10399
06:07:36,160 --> 06:07:38,560
this particular amendment that

10400
06:07:39,863 --> 06:07:42,263
we're currently discussing as

10401
06:07:43,800 --> 06:07:45,101
well?

10402
06:07:45,101 --> 06:07:45,435
>>coun. Pe}a: I didn't hear an

10403
06:07:45,435 --> 06:07:47,435
answer.

10404
06:07:47,504 --> 06:07:49,904
That was a yes?

10405
06:07:51,307 --> 06:07:52,876
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, the

10406
06:07:52,876 --> 06:07:55,478
amendment that is by councilor

10407
06:07:55,478 --> 06:07:57,347
rogers is separate from the ones

10408
06:07:57,347 --> 06:07:59,916
drafted by the response from

10409
06:07:59,916 --> 06:08:00,217
notification from city legal

10410
06:08:00,217 --> 06:08:01,484
today.

10411
06:08:01,484 --> 06:08:01,851
>>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM

10412
06:08:01,851 --> 06:08:03,554
PRESIDENT.

10413
06:08:03,554 --> 06:08:07,124
I just kept the exact same scope

10414
06:08:07,124 --> 06:08:09,125
that was approved by the state.

10415
06:08:09,125 --> 06:08:10,260
So, we're not trying to --

10416
06:08:10,260 --> 06:08:11,695
there's no -- I don't think

10417
06:08:11,695 --> 06:08:13,697
separation of powers -- I'm

10418
06:08:13,697 --> 06:08:15,832
trying to make sure the word I

10419
06:08:15,832 --> 06:08:16,634
gave to my legislator of how we

10420
06:08:16,634 --> 06:08:18,634
spend this money.

10421
06:08:19,102 --> 06:08:21,171
I'm not doing it for all the

10422
06:08:21,171 --> 06:08:22,906
capital we have at the city in

10423
06:08:22,906 --> 06:08:24,140
my district, just the ones I

10424
06:08:24,140 --> 06:08:27,140
asked my legislators for funding

10425
06:08:27,511 --> 06:08:28,244
for to make sure it gets spent

10426
06:08:28,244 --> 06:08:30,180
in that way.

10427
06:08:30,180 --> 06:08:30,547
>>coun. Pe}a: any questions or

10428
06:08:30,547 --> 06:08:32,547
comments?

10429
06:08:33,184 --> 06:08:34,985
I'll just say that, yeah, I

10430
06:08:34,985 --> 06:08:36,520
voted wrong on the last bill.

10431
06:08:36,520 --> 06:08:36,853
This one, I just can't support

10432
06:08:36,853 --> 06:08:38,388
it.

10433
06:08:38,388 --> 06:08:41,124
I'm glad to hear you're asking

10434
06:08:41,124 --> 06:08:42,693
for two week deferral to figure

10435
06:08:42,693 --> 06:08:44,693
this out.

10436
06:08:45,950 --> 06:08:45,662
This bill asks for projects in

10437
06:08:45,662 --> 06:08:47,662
districts.

10438
06:08:47,764 --> 06:08:51,364
I know I have similar concerns

10439
06:08:51,668 --> 06:08:53,336
in my area and I would actually

10440
06:08:53,336 --> 06:08:55,939
do an amendment to this add to

10441
06:08:55,939 --> 06:08:57,140
my projects to it as well like

10442
06:08:57,140 --> 06:08:59,744
every other city councilor would

10443
06:08:59,744 --> 06:09:02,479
do that and that would bog down

10444
06:09:02,479 --> 06:09:06,150
the whole -- I don't know if

10445
06:09:06,150 --> 06:09:06,449
that's good government to do

10446
06:09:06,449 --> 06:09:07,417
that.

10447
06:09:07,417 --> 06:09:09,285
I can't support the amendment or

10448
06:09:09,285 --> 06:09:10,587
the bill, but I'm glad to hear

10449
06:09:10,587 --> 06:09:14,187
it looks like there's going to

10450
06:09:14,691 --> 06:09:16,392
be discussion and maybe some

10451
06:09:16,392 --> 06:09:18,392
kind of concession.

10452
06:09:18,528 --> 06:09:20,263
With that, if there's no other

10453
06:09:20,263 --> 06:09:21,398
questions -- all those in favor

10454
06:09:21,398 --> 06:09:24,398
of floor amendment number one

10455
06:09:28,705 --> 06:09:30,907
raise your hand and say yes.

10456
06:09:30,907 --> 06:09:32,907
Oppose, no.

10457
06:09:38,281 --> 06:09:41,881
That motion passes on a 6-2.

10458
06:09:43,119 --> 06:09:43,454
Now, we are back on r-57 as

10459
06:09:43,454 --> 06:09:45,454
amended.

10460
06:09:46,756 --> 06:09:47,524
And are there any questions?

10461
06:09:47,524 --> 06:09:49,760
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I have

10462
06:09:49,760 --> 06:09:51,227
additional amendments.

10463
06:09:51,227 --> 06:09:52,362
>>coun. Pe}a: oh, you do?

10464
06:09:52,362 --> 06:09:53,229
There's more amendments.

10465
06:09:53,229 --> 06:09:55,199
I'm sorry about that.

10466
06:09:55,199 --> 06:09:56,633
I just don't have them in front

10467
06:09:56,633 --> 06:09:58,568
of me.

10468
06:09:58,568 --> 06:10:01,568
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: if they can

10469
06:10:11,581 --> 06:10:13,981
pull those up please.

10470
06:10:16,186 --> 06:10:16,454
While ware we're waiting I think

10471
06:10:16,454 --> 06:10:18,454
the

10472
06:10:20,957 --> 06:10:22,726
the up of times spent lobbying

10473
06:10:22,726 --> 06:10:26,326
today would have -- this is

10474
06:10:27,497 --> 06:10:27,831
floor amendment number two to

10475
06:10:27,831 --> 06:10:29,432
r-26-57.

10476
06:10:29,432 --> 06:10:31,801
And it deletes the requirement

10477
06:10:31,801 --> 06:10:32,936
for work order for the one

10478
06:10:32,936 --> 06:10:35,171
project that unfortunately will

10479
06:10:35,171 --> 06:10:36,774
not be completed by this date.

10480
06:10:36,774 --> 06:10:39,774
And unfortunately that means a

10481
06:10:39,877 --> 06:10:42,178
project that is funded in 2023

10482
06:10:42,178 --> 06:10:43,279
will have a contract expire and

10483
06:10:43,279 --> 06:10:45,315
you'll have to get a new

10484
06:10:45,315 --> 06:10:46,416
contract and the price will go

10485
06:10:46,416 --> 06:10:48,416
up again.

10486
06:10:48,885 --> 06:10:51,285
But, given the administration's

10487
06:10:52,188 --> 06:10:53,524
time today to figure out what is

10488
06:10:53,524 --> 06:10:54,959
a separation of power rather

10489
06:10:54,959 --> 06:10:56,793
than moving the project forward,

10490
06:10:56,793 --> 06:10:59,129
I'm happy to delete that line.

10491
06:10:59,129 --> 06:11:00,463
I move that amendment.

10492
06:11:00,463 --> 06:11:02,599
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,

10493
06:11:02,599 --> 06:11:05,599
and a second, for floor

10494
06:11:09,139 --> 06:11:10,741
amendment number two.

10495
06:11:10,741 --> 06:11:11,674
The second was by councilor

10496
06:11:11,674 --> 06:11:13,674
rogers.

10497
06:11:14,310 --> 06:11:16,246
Any discussion?

10498
06:11:16,246 --> 06:11:16,579
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I urge your

10499
06:11:16,579 --> 06:11:17,947
support.

10500
06:11:17,947 --> 06:11:19,149
>>coun. Pe}a: all those in favor

10501
06:11:19,149 --> 06:11:22,149
of floor amendment number two,

10502
06:11:23,120 --> 06:11:25,955
raise your hand and say yes.

10503
06:11:25,955 --> 06:11:26,956
Opposed?

10504
06:11:26,956 --> 06:11:27,424
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

10505
06:11:27,424 --> 06:11:29,359
MADAM PRESIDENT.

10506
06:11:29,359 --> 06:11:31,561
I have an additional floor

10507
06:11:31,561 --> 06:11:33,561
amendment.

10508
06:11:33,864 --> 06:11:35,864
Number three.

10509
06:11:38,202 --> 06:11:39,269
And this changes the wording

10510
06:11:39,269 --> 06:11:41,337
from the individual city

10511
06:11:41,337 --> 06:11:43,337
councilor representing the

10512
06:11:43,974 --> 06:11:45,842
district to prior approval by

10513
06:11:45,842 --> 06:11:47,510
the city council because I know

10514
06:11:47,510 --> 06:11:49,279
that no city councilor up here

10515
06:11:49,279 --> 06:11:51,581
on the dais would interfere with

10516
06:11:51,581 --> 06:11:53,284
what's going on in my district

10517
06:11:53,284 --> 06:11:56,884
just like I wouldn't afear with

10518
06:12:00,857 --> 06:12:01,191
what's going on in their

10519
06:12:01,191 --> 06:12:02,158
district

10520
06:12:02,158 --> 06:12:02,926
district.

10521
06:12:02,926 --> 06:12:04,761
Projects I raised money for from

10522
06:12:04,761 --> 06:12:07,300
state legislators with promises

10523
06:12:07,300 --> 06:12:07,731
of specific think

10524
06:12:07,731 --> 06:12:09,199
gs in my

10525
06:12:09,199 --> 06:12:10,700
district that would get done.

10526
06:12:10,700 --> 06:12:13,690
I urge your support for floor

10527
06:12:13,690 --> 06:12:14,370
amendment number three.

10528
06:12:14,370 --> 06:12:15,700
>>coun. Pe}a: did we make a

10529
06:12:15,700 --> 06:12:16,373
motion on that?

10530
06:12:16,373 --> 06:12:18,441
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I motioned

10531
06:12:18,441 --> 06:12:18,808
and councilor rogers just

10532
06:12:18,808 --> 06:12:19,744
seconded.

10533
06:12:19,744 --> 06:12:20,810
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

10534
06:12:20,810 --> 06:12:22,245
and a second by councilor rogers

10535
06:12:22,245 --> 06:12:22,545
for floor amendment number

10536
06:12:22,545 --> 06:12:24,545
three.

10537
06:12:24,848 --> 06:12:25,548
Is there any discussion?

10538
06:12:25,548 --> 06:12:27,548
Seeing none.

10539
06:12:28,418 --> 06:12:29,853
All those in favor of floor

10540
06:12:29,853 --> 06:12:31,654
amendment number three raise

10541
06:12:31,654 --> 06:12:32,889
your hand and say yes.

10542
06:12:32,889 --> 06:12:34,524
Opposed, no.

10543
06:12:34,524 --> 06:12:36,524
Motion carries unanimously.

10544
06:12:38,862 --> 06:12:42,462
We're back on the bill as

10545
06:12:44,167 --> 06:12:45,350
amended.

10546
06:12:45,350 --> 06:12:47,204
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: before I

10547
06:12:47,204 --> 06:12:48,738
close, I'd like to hear from the

10548
06:12:48,738 --> 06:12:50,707
cao to get the promises that

10549
06:12:50,707 --> 06:12:51,708
were made on the phone today on

10550
06:12:51,708 --> 06:12:53,376
the public record.

10551
06:12:53,376 --> 06:12:56,976
And make sure that there's going

10552
06:12:57,280 --> 06:12:59,682
to be some movement on some of

10553
06:12:59,682 --> 06:13:02,682
the projects before the next

10554
06:13:03,386 --> 06:13:05,356
meeting because I do believe

10555
06:13:05,356 --> 06:13:08,925
despite of all of the phone

10556
06:13:08,925 --> 06:13:10,927
calls, I can get this bill

10557
06:13:10,927 --> 06:13:13,430
passed and get the money spent

10558
06:13:13,430 --> 06:13:14,330
the way I want it spent.

10559
06:13:14,330 --> 06:13:16,199
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

10560
06:13:16,199 --> 06:13:17,300
fiebelkorn, we had a

10561
06:13:17,300 --> 06:13:18,968
conversation today by phone

10562
06:13:18,968 --> 06:13:21,538
discussing the items -- the

10563
06:13:21,538 --> 06:13:23,106
projects listed in here and some

10564
06:13:23,106 --> 06:13:24,841
of the concerns that were raised

10565
06:13:24,841 --> 06:13:25,241
and addressed through

10566
06:13:25,241 --> 06:13:27,241
amendments.

10567
06:13:27,877 --> 06:13:30,140
I made that commitment to you

10568
06:13:30,140 --> 06:13:33,116
today to work on those projects

10569
06:13:33,116 --> 06:13:34,451
to move them forward and get us

10570
06:13:34,451 --> 06:13:36,386
moving long.

10571
06:13:36,386 --> 06:13:37,587
You and I talked about the

10572
06:13:37,587 --> 06:13:40,357
specific median project that had

10573
06:13:40,357 --> 06:13:41,524
the date in it, which we had the

10574
06:13:41,524 --> 06:13:43,924
debate of the conversation

10575
06:13:44,394 --> 06:13:46,794
related to the department's

10576
06:13:46,796 --> 06:13:49,199
selection of medians within that

10577
06:13:49,199 --> 06:13:51,134
scope based upon the demand and

10578
06:13:51,134 --> 06:13:53,534
need for specific improvements

10579
06:13:55,238 --> 06:13:57,638
and conditions being weighed.

10580
06:13:58,308 --> 06:13:59,442
And the department weighing

10581
06:13:59,442 --> 06:14:00,944
conditions of the ones

10582
06:14:00,944 --> 06:14:02,679
identified were severely worse.

10583
06:14:02,679 --> 06:14:04,981
We had that conversation as well

10584
06:14:04,981 --> 06:14:07,550
around the pricing changes that

10585
06:14:07,550 --> 06:14:09,954
occur when we delay and how we

10586
06:14:09,954 --> 06:14:11,921
can think through getting these

10587
06:14:11,921 --> 06:14:13,224
projects done.

10588
06:14:13,224 --> 06:14:14,591
I think I -- because I want to

10589
06:14:14,591 --> 06:14:14,992
make sure I say it on the

10590
06:14:14,992 --> 06:14:16,992
record.

10591
06:14:17,961 --> 06:14:19,195
I support the department's

10592
06:14:19,195 --> 06:14:21,595
prioritization of the medians

10593
06:14:21,731 --> 06:14:24,601
that were without water, without

10594
06:14:24,601 --> 06:14:26,336
irrigation, and without the

10595
06:14:26,336 --> 06:14:27,170
needs for that area and

10596
06:14:27,170 --> 06:14:29,500
understand that we're going to

10597
06:14:29,500 --> 06:14:31,441
work together to get the

10598
06:14:31,441 --> 06:14:33,544
projects moving and moving as

10599
06:14:33,544 --> 06:14:35,545
quickly as we can.

10600
06:14:35,545 --> 06:14:36,780
I couldn't promise the date, but

10601
06:14:36,780 --> 06:14:38,140
we'll move the project along in

10602
06:14:38,140 --> 06:14:39,416
the medians.

10603
06:14:39,416 --> 06:14:42,416
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: I just want

10604
06:14:42,652 --> 06:14:44,550
to clarify, in this bill it's a

10605
06:14:44,550 --> 06:14:44,921
very specific section of the

10606
06:14:44,921 --> 06:14:45,288
medians that will be moved

10607
06:14:45,288 --> 06:14:47,288
forward.

10608
06:14:48,358 --> 06:14:50,594
If you're not willing to commit

10609
06:14:50,594 --> 06:14:50,960
to that, I'm not going to move

10610
06:14:50,960 --> 06:14:52,529
deferral.

10611
06:14:52,529 --> 06:14:55,660
I'm just going to pass the bill.

10612
06:14:55,660 --> 06:14:56,132
Are we going to work on the

10613
06:14:56,132 --> 06:14:59,536
project that I have promised the

10614
06:14:59,536 --> 06:15:01,472
community and the state capital

10615
06:15:01,472 --> 06:15:03,472
outlay providers?

10616
06:15:03,840 --> 06:15:05,842
>> what I said to you this

10617
06:15:05,842 --> 06:15:07,877
morning is we moved forward on

10618
06:15:07,877 --> 06:15:08,645
those that you announced.

10619
06:15:08,645 --> 06:15:10,447
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: it's going

10620
06:15:10,447 --> 06:15:11,549
to be what is in this bill that

10621
06:15:11,549 --> 06:15:12,150
we're going to be working

10622
06:15:12,150 --> 06:15:14,150
together on.

10623
06:15:14,517 --> 06:15:16,119
I want to clarify there are two

10624
06:15:16,119 --> 06:15:17,755
items in there for councilor

10625
06:15:17,755 --> 06:15:19,723
rogers and I expect those would

10626
06:15:19,723 --> 06:15:21,658
be considered part of this bill

10627
06:15:21,658 --> 06:15:23,393
and movement on those projects

10628
06:15:23,393 --> 06:15:25,280
would also happen.

10629
06:15:25,280 --> 06:15:25,795
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

10630
06:15:25,795 --> 06:15:28,795
fiebelkorn, I believe that we

10631
06:15:29,432 --> 06:15:30,634
are working on those projects

10632
06:15:30,634 --> 06:15:32,435
actively right now.

10633
06:15:32,435 --> 06:15:34,205
I have no concern about those.

10634
06:15:34,205 --> 06:15:36,605
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: and lastly,

10635
06:15:36,741 --> 06:15:38,209
I want to, again, say how

10636
06:15:38,209 --> 06:15:41,209
incredibly frustrating it is to

10637
06:15:42,612 --> 06:15:44,247
be accused of stealing by staff

10638
06:15:44,247 --> 06:15:46,515
and I appreciate that you said

10639
06:15:46,515 --> 06:15:49,919
that was wrong, but I think you

10640
06:15:49,919 --> 06:15:53,188
need to do more to clarify with

10641
06:15:53,188 --> 06:15:54,724
staff how capital outlay works

10642
06:15:54,724 --> 06:15:56,426
and when a city councilor up

10643
06:15:56,426 --> 06:15:57,761
here goes and gets capital

10644
06:15:57,761 --> 06:15:59,597
outlay money and they wanted to

10645
06:15:59,597 --> 06:16:01,331
be used for what they promised,

10646
06:16:01,331 --> 06:16:03,266
that is not stealing.

10647
06:16:03,266 --> 06:16:06,102
In any way, shape or form.

10648
06:16:06,102 --> 06:16:08,272
And the idea that was said and

10649
06:16:08,272 --> 06:16:10,807
backed up by a department

10650
06:16:10,807 --> 06:16:12,475
director is unconscionable and I

10651
06:16:12,475 --> 06:16:13,475
don't expect it to happen again.

10652
06:16:13,475 --> 06:16:15,378
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

10653
06:16:15,378 --> 06:16:18,181
fiebelkorn, as we said today, I

10654
06:16:18,181 --> 06:16:20,483
felt that the words -- the word

10655
06:16:20,483 --> 06:16:22,883
of stealing was definitely

10656
06:16:23,420 --> 06:16:25,622
inappropriate use of that word.

10657
06:16:25,622 --> 06:16:26,357
And I can't speak to exactly how

10658
06:16:26,357 --> 06:16:28,357
it was discussed.

10659
06:16:30,325 --> 06:16:32,295
As I said, I apologize for that

10660
06:16:32,295 --> 06:16:33,630
choice of words.

10661
06:16:33,630 --> 06:16:35,310
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you.

10662
06:16:35,310 --> 06:16:37,435
Given this commitment on the

10663
06:16:37,435 --> 06:16:38,968
record by the cao to move

10664
06:16:38,968 --> 06:16:40,569
something forward in district

10665
06:16:40,569 --> 06:16:42,571
seven, and so that I can report

10666
06:16:42,571 --> 06:16:44,675
back to my constituents that

10667
06:16:44,675 --> 06:16:46,675
I've gotten more than one

10668
06:16:46,675 --> 06:16:48,344
project finished in four and a

10669
06:16:48,344 --> 06:16:50,814
half years, I'll move deferral

10670
06:16:50,814 --> 06:16:51,614
for two weeks.

10671
06:16:51,614 --> 06:16:55,214
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

10672
06:16:55,819 --> 06:16:58,819
and a second for deferral.

10673
06:17:00,155 --> 06:17:01,124
[Inaudible].

10674
06:17:01,124 --> 06:17:01,524
>>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM

10675
06:17:01,524 --> 06:17:03,293
PRESIDENT.

10676
06:17:03,293 --> 06:17:03,661
I appreciate you bringing this

10677
06:17:03,661 --> 06:17:05,661
forward.

10678
06:17:09,132 --> 06:17:11,532
And also deferring it.

10679
06:17:14,738 --> 06:17:17,738
My question is, respectfully, is

10680
06:17:17,841 --> 06:17:20,709
this going to push our projects

10681
06:17:20,709 --> 06:17:21,778
to the side?

10682
06:17:21,778 --> 06:17:23,778
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor

10683
06:17:23,781 --> 06:17:25,882
grout, I think our department is

10684
06:17:25,882 --> 06:17:26,249
incredibly capable of managing

10685
06:17:26,249 --> 06:17:28,249
projects.

10686
06:17:29,520 --> 06:17:30,186
I know that we are all

10687
06:17:30,186 --> 06:17:31,888
frustrated with many projects

10688
06:17:31,888 --> 06:17:34,323
taking longer than we wanted.

10689
06:17:34,323 --> 06:17:35,659
I think we had a conversation, I

10690
06:17:35,659 --> 06:17:38,590
can't remember which councilor,

10691
06:17:40,797 --> 06:17:42,532
around the ordering and backlogs

10692
06:17:42,532 --> 06:17:44,100
we've had.

10693
06:17:44,100 --> 06:17:45,403
I've also had conversations

10694
06:17:45,403 --> 06:17:47,804
about the ways in which we can

10695
06:17:47,804 --> 06:17:50,340
provide updates on projects and

10696
06:17:50,340 --> 06:17:53,244
I think that we have had

10697
06:17:53,244 --> 06:17:55,211
improvement in that space with

10698
06:17:55,211 --> 06:17:56,946
other staff attending meetings.

10699
06:17:56,946 --> 06:17:58,882
we're open to thinking through

10700
06:17:58,882 --> 06:17:59,215
other ways to continue to give

10701
06:17:59,215 --> 06:18:00,784
updates.

10702
06:18:00,784 --> 06:18:04,384
I would like to move projects

10703
06:18:05,455 --> 06:18:05,855
just as fast as anyone of you

10704
06:18:05,855 --> 06:18:07,524
councilors.

10705
06:18:07,524 --> 06:18:09,260
I might be one of the most

10706
06:18:09,260 --> 06:18:10,160
impatient people in regards to

10707
06:18:10,160 --> 06:18:11,828
getting projects moving and

10708
06:18:11,828 --> 06:18:13,663
getting things done.

10709
06:18:13,663 --> 06:18:15,432
I'm moted in the same way.

10710
06:18:15,432 --> 06:18:17,233
I can't promise you what this

10711
06:18:17,233 --> 06:18:17,600
actually impact is for any

10712
06:18:17,600 --> 06:18:19,600
project.

10713
06:18:21,304 --> 06:18:22,939
Does that make sense?

10714
06:18:22,939 --> 06:18:24,374
I can promise you we're paying

10715
06:18:24,374 --> 06:18:26,142
attention to all of our projects

10716
06:18:26,142 --> 06:18:27,311
and moving forward.

10717
06:18:27,311 --> 06:18:28,178
My commitment to councilor

10718
06:18:28,178 --> 06:18:30,246
fiebelkorn today was to look at

10719
06:18:30,246 --> 06:18:33,846
the projects in her district and

10720
06:18:34,170 --> 06:18:35,853
make sure we aren't unbalanced

10721
06:18:35,853 --> 06:18:36,152
in where we're getting work

10722
06:18:36,152 --> 06:18:38,152
done.

10723
06:18:38,421 --> 06:18:40,590
>>coun. Grout: MAY I follow up?

10724
06:18:40,590 --> 06:18:44,127
Can you get me a timeline of

10725
06:18:44,127 --> 06:18:46,129
when the roads that have been

10726
06:18:46,129 --> 06:18:47,831
announced that they would be

10727
06:18:47,831 --> 06:18:49,399
surfaced in my district.

10728
06:18:49,399 --> 06:18:50,667
I've asked for that a few times

10729
06:18:50,667 --> 06:18:51,835
and I haven't gotten it.

10730
06:18:51,835 --> 06:18:53,504
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, we'll

10731
06:18:53,504 --> 06:18:54,204
provide an update for you.

10732
06:18:54,204 --> 06:18:56,604
>>coun. Grout: thank you.

10733
06:18:57,741 --> 06:19:00,210
>>coun. Pe}a: before we go to

10734
06:19:00,210 --> 06:19:00,577
it -- I will add a couple

10735
06:19:00,577 --> 06:19:02,545
comments.

10736
06:19:02,545 --> 06:19:04,470
The first one is the same that

10737
06:19:04,470 --> 06:19:06,447
councilor grout just asked.

10738
06:19:07,617 --> 06:19:09,587
My projects are moving -- we're

10739
06:19:09,587 --> 06:19:10,987
moving these up or around, and I

10740
06:19:10,987 --> 06:19:12,857
don't know where they fall.

10741
06:19:12,857 --> 06:19:13,223
Is that going to delay my

10742
06:19:13,223 --> 06:19:15,223
projects?

10743
06:19:15,692 --> 06:19:17,827
If that's the case, I'd like

10744
06:19:17,827 --> 06:19:18,161
some surety that's not going to

10745
06:19:18,161 --> 06:19:20,161
happen.

10746
06:19:20,397 --> 06:19:23,634
If that's going to happen I'll

10747
06:19:23,634 --> 06:19:27,234
have some of amendments to add

10748
06:19:28,371 --> 06:19:30,740
to this as well.

10749
06:19:30,740 --> 06:19:32,642
i think some of the comments are

10750
06:19:32,642 --> 06:19:32,909
threatening to holdia

10751
06:19:32,909 --> 06:19:34,909
ia

10752
06:19:36,447 --> 06:19:38,314
ia you to a

10753
06:19:38,314 --> 06:19:40,160
certain standard and using you

10754
06:19:40,160 --> 06:19:42,416
have the votes here.

10755
06:19:42,886 --> 06:19:43,987
That goes against quorum issues.

10756
06:19:43,987 --> 06:19:45,889
I don't think that anybody of us

10757
06:19:45,889 --> 06:19:46,956
can rely and say you do this

10758
06:19:46,956 --> 06:19:49,325
because I have the votes.

10759
06:19:49,325 --> 06:19:52,925
I think that's a very concerning

10760
06:19:55,265 --> 06:19:57,665
language to be used.

10761
06:19:59,737 --> 06:20:01,471
I understand the councilor.

10762
06:20:01,471 --> 06:20:02,939
I am there.

10763
06:20:02,939 --> 06:20:04,875
I have projects.

10764
06:20:04,875 --> 06:20:06,875
It's road paving.

10765
06:20:07,310 --> 06:20:07,745
Yeah, that's very alarming to

10766
06:20:07,745 --> 06:20:09,790
me.

10767
06:20:09,790 --> 06:20:10,460
Anyway, there's a motion --

10768
06:20:10,460 --> 06:20:11,749
councilor fiebelkorn to close.

10769
06:20:11,749 --> 06:20:12,282
>>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,

10770
06:20:12,282 --> 06:20:14,282
MADAM PRESIDENT.

10771
06:20:14,584 --> 06:20:16,152
I stand by everything I said.

10772
06:20:16,152 --> 06:20:19,123
Today is the first time I've

10773
06:20:19,123 --> 06:20:21,523
gotten actually updates on

10774
06:20:21,524 --> 06:20:23,693
projects and movement forward.

10775
06:20:23,693 --> 06:20:24,862
If this is what it takes to get

10776
06:20:24,862 --> 06:20:27,862
something done for my district,

10777
06:20:28,499 --> 06:20:30,368
I will do it again and again.

10778
06:20:30,368 --> 06:20:30,767
I do urge your support for the

10779
06:20:30,767 --> 06:20:32,767
deferral.

10780
06:20:33,103 --> 06:20:37,108
And I hope that we can withdraw

10781
06:20:37,108 --> 06:20:37,507
the bill when we come pack.

10782
06:20:37,507 --> 06:20:39,507
-- back.

10783
06:20:39,509 --> 06:20:41,440
That remains to be seen.

10784
06:20:41,440 --> 06:20:43,546
>>coun. Pe}a: motion and second

10785
06:20:43,546 --> 06:20:45,546
for two-week deferral.

10786
06:20:46,449 --> 06:20:49,284
All those in favor say yes and

10787
06:20:49,284 --> 06:20:50,387
raise your hand.

10788
06:20:50,387 --> 06:20:52,387
Passes unanimously.

10789
06:20:54,691 --> 06:20:55,260
I think we need a motion to

10790
06:20:55,260 --> 06:20:55,725
untable.

10791
06:20:55,725 --> 06:20:58,725
>>coun. Champine: I make a

10792
06:20:58,962 --> 06:20:59,829
motion to untable r-26-30.

10793
06:20:59,829 --> 06:21:03,429
>>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion

10794
06:21:05,934 --> 06:21:09,720
and a second to untable r-30 by

10795
06:21:09,720 --> 06:21:09,706
councilor rogers.

10796
06:21:09,706 --> 06:21:10,474
Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

10797
06:21:10,474 --> 06:21:12,474
Any discussion?

10798
06:21:13,410 --> 06:21:14,145
Seeing none.

10799
06:21:14,145 --> 06:21:15,912
questions?

10800
06:21:15,912 --> 06:21:17,380
All those -- no?

10801
06:21:17,380 --> 06:21:17,747
>>coun. Bassan: I have a

10802
06:21:17,747 --> 06:21:19,583
question.

10803
06:21:19,583 --> 06:21:21,152
I thought that the reason we

10804
06:21:21,152 --> 06:21:22,786
tabled it was because why need

10805
06:21:22,786 --> 06:21:24,120
the city attorney to approve

10806
06:21:24,120 --> 06:21:24,821
whether or not it was accurate

10807
06:21:24,821 --> 06:21:25,622
or not.

10808
06:21:25,622 --> 06:21:28,220
>>coun. Pe}a: correct.

10809
06:21:30,126 --> 06:21:32,663
We had to untable the bill.

10810
06:21:32,663 --> 06:21:34,364
>>coun. Bassan: thank you.

10811
06:21:34,364 --> 06:21:34,664
>>coun. Pe}a: we're all getting

10812
06:21:34,664 --> 06:21:36,990
tired.

10813
06:21:36,990 --> 06:21:39,335
Our first meeting back and not

10814
06:21:39,335 --> 06:21:41,237
being up like this, I think it's

10815
06:21:41,237 --> 06:21:44,441
taking a toll on all of us.

10816
06:21:44,441 --> 06:21:47,177
All those in favor of untabling

10817
06:21:47,177 --> 06:21:47,711
r-30, raise your hand and say

10818
06:21:47,711 --> 06:21:48,945
yes.

10819
06:21:48,945 --> 06:21:50,945
Opposed, same motion.

10820
06:21:52,348 --> 06:21:53,490
Motion passes unanimously.

10821
06:21:53,490 --> 06:21:54,180
Vice PRESIDENT Champine.

10822
06:21:54,180 --> 06:21:57,180
>>coun. Champine: I do believe

10823
06:21:57,210 --> 06:22:00,210
our city attorney has reviewed

10824
06:22:01,224 --> 06:22:04,224
both p-bill and r-resolution and

10825
06:22:04,694 --> 06:22:05,628
confirmed they're matching and

10826
06:22:05,628 --> 06:22:07,628
good to go.

10827
06:22:08,232 --> 06:22:08,665
I'll look to her for

10828
06:22:08,665 --> 06:22:10,166
confirmation.

10829
06:22:10,166 --> 06:22:10,499
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, that's

10830
06:22:10,499 --> 06:22:12,499
correct.

10831
06:22:13,303 --> 06:22:15,338
I met with MS. Coulloudon to

10832
06:22:15,338 --> 06:22:16,439
discuss amendments that would

10833
06:22:16,439 --> 06:22:18,410
streamline this process to

10834
06:22:18,410 --> 06:22:19,876
eliminate the need for both the

10835
06:22:19,876 --> 06:22:21,311
resolution and p-bill.

10836
06:22:21,311 --> 06:22:22,879
Including eliminating the

10837
06:22:22,879 --> 06:22:25,879
summary itself which is actually

10838
06:22:25,915 --> 06:22:27,250
no longer necessary in

10839
06:22:27,250 --> 06:22:28,852
conforming to state law.

10840
06:22:28,852 --> 06:22:30,520
I think we should move forward

10841
06:22:30,520 --> 06:22:33,123
with those and make it easier on

10842
06:22:33,123 --> 06:22:35,123
the council.

10843
06:22:36,926 --> 06:22:37,560
>>coun. Pe}a: we have

10844
06:22:37,560 --> 06:22:38,462
confirmation.

10845
06:22:38,462 --> 06:22:40,131
Vice PRESIDENT Champine, if

10846
06:22:40,131 --> 06:22:40,797
there's no questions from

10847
06:22:40,797 --> 06:22:41,365
councilors, vice PRESIDENT

10848
06:22:41,365 --> 06:22:43,166
Champine to close.

10849
06:22:43,166 --> 06:22:43,500
>>coun. Champine: I urge your

10850
06:22:43,500 --> 06:22:45,500
support.

10851
06:22:45,934 --> 06:22:49,500
>>coun. Pe}a: we are now on the

10852
06:22:49,500 --> 06:22:51,405
final passage of r-30.

10853
06:22:52,275 --> 06:22:53,143
All -- as amended.

10854
06:22:53,143 --> 06:22:55,143
Three times.

10855
06:22:55,579 --> 06:22:57,415
All those in favor say yes and

10856
06:22:57,415 --> 06:22:59,415
raise your hand.

10857
06:23:00,984 --> 06:23:02,952
Opposed, no.

10858
06:23:02,952 --> 06:23:04,721
I meant to say no.

10859
06:23:04,721 --> 06:23:07,721
That's how tired I am.

10860
06:23:09,794 --> 06:23:11,794
I'm a no.

10861
06:23:19,836 --> 06:23:21,836
5-3.

10862
06:23:21,905 --> 06:23:23,600
There being no further business,

10863
06:23:23,600 --> 06:23:26,600
this city council meeting is