[0:26] >>coun. Pe}a: welcome, everyone.
[0:29] Today is AUGUST 3rd, 2026.
[0:32] The 15th meeting of the 27th
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[1:41] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
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[3:51] Councilor grout.
[3:53] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MR.
[3:54] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.
[3:57] My questions are for our
[4:01] legal -- city attorney.
[4:03] ms. Keefe, in the past several
[4:06] months the council, through our
[4:08] counsel, have reached out to the
[4:11] city attorney's office for
[4:13] updates in different matters
[4:14] which this council has been
[4:15] involved.
[4:16] Answers to these questions were
[4:18] delayed for months, and when our
[4:20] counsel reached out again you
[4:22] responded if questions they
[4:25] should reach out to me directly.
[4:28] This isn't really how we've done
[4:29] things.
[4:30] Council has staff that is used
[4:32] to act on our behalf and help us
[4:33] to do our job.
[4:36] When our staff or our council
[4:38] reaches out we expect the city
[4:39] attorney understands this
[4:42] request is coming from us and
[4:43] respond appropriately,
[4:45] professionally and in a timely
[4:45] manner.
[4:48] Based on this, I have several
[4:49] questions.
[4:53] Why is there pushback to
[4:54] councillor questions about
[4:56] pending litigation?
[4:58] If your decisions give rise to
[5:00] litigation, we deserve to know
[5:02] how the cases are proceeding.
[5:03] >> council PRESIDENT, councilor
[5:06] grout, in the past up until this
[5:08] year, when councilors had
[5:09] questions they have approached
[5:12] me directly.
[5:13] This isn't new.
[5:14] I have concerns about this
[5:15] procedure.
[5:18] I do think it is better if I am
[5:21] able to engage with councilors
[5:22] directly.
[5:25] In order to facilitate
[5:26] communications between council
[5:30] and legal I asked to set up
[5:33] for -- sometime ago, I don't
[5:35] remember exactly how long, those
[5:37] were no longer scheduled.
[5:39] That was not at my request.
[5:42] i think there's a perception,
[5:43] that's not at my request.
[5:45] My perception is they're
[5:46] cancelled.
[5:48] I would be happy to continue
[5:49] communication with council.
[5:51] I would very much want to
[5:52] continue communications with
[5:54] council and provide updates.
[5:56] I was hoping to provide more of
[5:58] a written update during the
[5:59] break.
[6:02] I do apologize for the delay.
[6:05] It is my intent to continue
[6:07] communications with council.
[6:12] I think as has happened in the
[6:14] first four years I've been here,
[6:15] I think communication should be
[6:17] between my department and
[6:18] councilors.
[6:20] >>coun. Grout: okay.
[6:21] How do you process requests for
[6:23] information from the council or
[6:24] council staff?
[6:26] >> so, again, in the four and a
[6:28] half years I've been here, we
[6:31] get calls for councilors to work
[6:32] on ordinances.
[6:35] We get call for updates.
[6:37] And those are -- if they come
[6:39] directly to me, I determine
[6:40] whether I'm going to respond or
[6:41] whether I'm going to have
[6:43] someone on my staff respond and
[6:47] I try to get back to them.
[6:48] >>coun. Grout: do you have -- I
[6:52] think we need a real clear path
[6:55] forward and we need to be very
[6:56] timely.
[6:57] Can we set up a process so that
[6:58] does happen?
[7:00] >> council PRESIDENT, councilor
[7:03] grout, that's exactly what I'd
[7:03] like.
[7:04] That's what I tried to do
[7:05] previously.
[7:06] I think there needs to be a
[7:07] clear process.
[7:09] Including communications in both
[7:09] directions.
[7:10] >>coun. Grout: okay.
[7:15] Thank you.
[7:16] >>coun. Champine: councilor
[7:16] baca.
[7:19] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM
[7:19] PRESIDENT.
[7:34] This is for director sanchez.
[7:35] Thank you, director.
[7:37] We had a lot of folks calling
[7:40] and emailing about food prices
[7:42] going up at the senior have.
[7:45] I know during the budget we
[7:50] talked about the a la cart items
[7:51] were going to be taken off.
[7:52] Which we understand.
[7:56] I thought we covered no more
[7:57] prices were going to be
[7:58] increased.
[7:58] Can you cover this?
[8:00] I know it's not just district
[8:01] two hearing this.
[8:03] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[8:04] baca thank you for the
[8:04] opportunity.
[8:07] I want to give you a little
[8:09] perspective on our breakfast
[8:10] program in general.
[8:13] Our pricing on our breakfast
[8:14] program has not been adjusted in
[8:15] more than 20 years.
[8:16] That's a significant amount of
[8:17] time.
[8:18] When we dpan
[8:22] began we did a fiscal
[8:23] analysis.
[8:24] Always keeping affordability at
[8:26] the forefront for the seniors.
[8:28] We did deep dive this program
[8:31] how it operated and functioned
[8:34] with a la carte items that we
[8:34] offered.
[8:36] The new menu prices are now as
[8:39] low as a dollar to our most
[8:45] costly specialty meals of huevo
[8:48] rancheros of $5 twice a week.
[8:50] Even with adjustments the
[8:52] department is subsidizing a
[8:54] third of the cost for every meal
[8:54] prepared.
[8:58] No one can dede
[9:00] ny our meals are
[9:03] most affordable anywhere.
[9:04] Additionally, we are -- just to
[9:06] give you an update working on a
[9:07] qualifying program for the
[9:09] seniors that MAY truly be in
[9:11] need and have financial
[9:11] hardship.
[9:13] That way we can also fully
[9:14] subsidize that meal for them.
[9:18] That's just the overall update
[9:20] on the program and most recently
[9:21] on friday from the feedback we
[9:23] learned over the last three
[9:27] weeks, we did send out a revised
[9:30] menu that received very positive
[9:31] feedback.
[9:32] >>coun. Baca: anybody else?
[9:33] I'm good.
[9:35] Thank you.
[9:36] >>coun. Champine: councilor
[9:36] rogers.
[9:37] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MR.
[9:38] Vice PRESIDENT.
[9:41] My questions are for several
[9:42] directors.
[9:43] I would love for all of you to
[9:46] come up at the same time.
[9:51] Director of solid waste, MR.
[9:52] Gallegos.
[9:52] Transit, keener.
[9:56] Code enforcement, either alan
[10:00] varela or kiezner.
[10:02] Gsb, MR. Duran.
[10:04] Parks and rec, MR. Simon.
[10:07] Thank you.
[10:10] I have several questions.
[10:12] I want to do an exploration of
[10:16] who is responsible for what in
[10:18] our community when it comes to
[10:20] cleanliness and litter.
[10:23] So, I will ask MR. Cornelius to
[10:27] put up some pictures for me.
[10:28] This is because I've been
[10:31] studying our litter ordinance.
[10:33] And I often reach out to
[10:34] different departments based on
[10:36] things that need to be cleaned
[10:37] in my district.
[10:39] I just want to run through some
[10:41] picture and see who is
[10:43] responsible for this in our
[10:43] neighborhood.
[10:46] Who would be responsible for --
[10:49] what would we do about that?
[10:51] >> actually, solid waste would
[10:52] pick that up.
[10:55] If it was a large item pick up.
[10:55] >>coun. Rogers: thank you,
[10:57] community members call 311 if
[10:59] they see that and you go and
[11:01] pick up that mattress?
[11:01] >> correct.
[11:02] >>coun. Rogers: is there a
[11:03] process for community members to
[11:05] do that ahead of time before
[11:07] they -- this is also education
[11:08] for the community, not just us
[11:11] to learn about how we do this.
[11:14] Bear with me, folks, while we go
[11:15] through the fun exercise today.
[11:17] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[11:20] rogers, they call 311 the night
[11:22] before the pickup to let us know
[11:23] they have a large item pickup.
[11:27] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MR.
[11:27] Gallegos.
[11:29] This is louisiana going towards
[11:30] gibson.
[11:33] We have installed barricades for
[11:35] bike lanes, but they're trashed,
[11:37] as you can see.
[11:39] Who would pick that trash up and
[11:45] fix that?
[11:45] Transit.
[11:47] >> MADAM Chair, councilor
[11:51] rogers, that's going to be
[11:52] dmd.
[11:53] >>coun. Rogers: this is exactly
[11:56] what I was hoping for.
[11:58] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[11:59] rogers, yes.
[12:02] That would be -- if any
[12:03] constituent has a concern about
[12:06] things that are improperly
[12:08] barricaded, I recommend 311 and
[12:10] we'll send someone out
[12:10] immediately.
[12:12] As far as the repairs that are
[12:14] needed to the bicycle
[12:16] infrastructure, that would also
[12:17] be my department.
[12:19] That's my traffic engineering
[12:19] division.
[12:21] Again, 311 is the fastest way to
[12:23] get to it.
[12:24] Unfortunately, as councilor
[12:25] fiebelkorn knows, the faster we
[12:27] put up bike infrastructure the
[12:29] faster drivers hit it.
[12:30] You have to bear with us.
[12:32] We're actually looking right now
[12:36] at some more albuquerque driver
[12:38] safe bicycle infrastructure to
[12:40] find out what works here.
[12:40] Because sometimes things that
[12:42] work in other cities don't work
[12:43] here.
[12:45] We're working on standard
[12:45] specifications.
[12:48] Yes, tell us at 311 and we'll
[12:49] send folks out.
[12:51] Again, the barricading in
[12:53] particular we try to get folk
[12:55] outz same day.
[12:55] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[12:58] This requires someone to let us
[12:59] know it's in this condition.
[13:01] I would say from looking at this
[13:04] condition it hopefully saved a
[13:04] biker.
[13:06] To your point, look for
[13:08] something that's a little more
[13:09] durable so your department isn't
[13:11] working
[13:11] ing
[13:12] ing running around fixing
[13:13] this.
[13:14] For my district, this adds to
[13:17] the disrepair that quite frankly
[13:19] I am sick of living in.
[13:20] Straight up.
[13:22] That's why we're going through
[13:23] this exercise today.
[13:26] Next picture, MR. Cornelius.
[13:26] How about this?
[13:29] Trash day, who is in charge of
[13:33] this after tracks -- trash
[13:34] pickup?
[13:35] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[13:37] rogers, this came from an
[13:38] individual's trash can?
[13:39] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[13:40] After trash day.
[13:42] I watched -- I was out in my
[13:44] hood just seeing how it goes.
[13:46] I'm always out in my hood.
[13:48] And saw them dump it, but there
[13:50] was some stuff left over that
[13:51] accidently fell out.
[13:53] In this case, who fixes that?
[13:56] >> actually, we rely on the
[13:58] residents to pick up some of the
[14:00] trash that's blown out of the
[14:01] trash can.
[14:04] >>coun. Rogers: oh, got it.
[14:08] Public, if it happens that your
[14:11] trash bin, it's your
[14:12] responsibility.
[14:13] >> our drivers are only allowed
[14:15] to pick up the trash cans from
[14:16] the truck.
[14:17] >>coun. Rogers: they're not
[14:18] getting out of the car and
[14:19] sweeping this up.
[14:19] Okay.
[14:21] That helps a lot.
[14:23] Next picture, MR. Cornelius.
[14:24] What about this one?
[14:27] This is between a parking lot
[14:30] and pizza hut on central and
[14:32] wyoming that is now closed.
[14:39] Who is responsible for that?
[14:40] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[14:43] rogers, that is code
[14:45] enforcement's response.
[14:48] For those ones dealing with --
[14:54] we'd have to annotate that.
[14:57] That would fall under pizza
[14:58] hut's responsibility.
[15:00] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[15:00] PRESIDENT.
[15:02] People have gone because it's
[15:02] closed.
[15:04] In that case, you tell them and
[15:05] leave it like that until they
[15:06] come and do it?
[15:08] >> councilor rogers, there's a
[15:11] process that we hold the
[15:15] property owners accountable.
[15:16] we follow due process in order
[15:17] to do it.
[15:19] If the property owner is
[15:21] unwilling or unenable to do it,
[15:22] there's other measures we employ
[15:24] to get the items cleaned up.
[15:26] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[15:27] PRESIDENT we would leave it like
[15:29] this while you go through your
[15:31] six to year process?
[15:33] Who cleans it in the meantime?
[15:35] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[15:37] rogers, for that one?
[15:39] >>coun. Rogers: yeah.
[15:41] >> the due process entails, it's
[15:42] a two-week notification.
[15:43] We allow the property owner time
[15:45] to make corrections before we go
[15:47] in and institute anything toward
[15:49] a lien on the property for
[15:50] services rendered.
[15:51] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[15:51] PRESIDENT.
[15:53] You would hire someone to clean
[15:54] it up or would you call solid
[15:55] waste and we charge them?
[15:57] How does that work?
[15:58] >> councilor rogers, for that
[16:01] for the cleaning, we initiate
[16:03] procedures through solid waste
[16:03] through the clean.
[16:05] The solid waste will initiate
[16:07] the clean and get it scheduled
[16:09] for the cleanup.
[16:11] And we'll bill the property
[16:13] owners for the services
[16:13] rendered.
[16:14] >>coun. Rogers: how long does
[16:16] that take, you think?
[16:20] >> that one --
[16:21] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[16:23] rogers, we don't have a backlog
[16:24] on the cleaning.
[16:26] We try to get to them within
[16:28] that week if we can.
[16:30] Most of the time, it might take
[16:31] another week.
[16:32] Because we have some scheduled
[16:33] out.
[16:33] >>coun. Rogers: okay.
[16:35] this is on the list, I hope.
[16:37] I have been calling about this
[16:38] one for quite sometime.
[16:39] >> I have to look at the
[16:40] records.
[16:43] I really couldn't tell you.
[16:43] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[16:46] Next picture, MR. Cornelius.
[16:47] I'm sorry, there's so many.
[16:49] I'm trying to stay under the ten
[16:50] minutes.
[16:51] But there's so much in my
[16:53] district that's in disrepair.
[16:55] I have so many questions.
[16:58] Next one, MR. Cornelius.
[16:58] Okay.
[16:58] Yes.
[16:59] This one.
[17:00] This is good.
[17:04] This one says, a litter crew is
[17:05] at work.
[17:09] I only see these trucks on the
[17:10] highway.
[17:12] Can you tell me if we have any
[17:12] trucks like this for the
[17:14] neighborhoods?
[17:16] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[17:16] rogers, yes.
[17:18] That is a highway truck.
[17:20] We do have crews that go through
[17:22] the major thoroughfares of the
[17:23] city only.
[17:25] Unless there's a community
[17:28] that's been employed by the
[17:28] planning department.
[17:30] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[17:33] How often do those general
[17:35] neighborhood litter crews --
[17:36] I've never seen one in district
[17:39] six in that truck.
[17:41] I put it out trash on monday and
[17:42] you get it.
[17:45] Is there a predictable schedule
[17:46] for that?
[17:47] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[17:49] rogers, it takes four to five
[17:50] weeks to cycle in their
[17:51] districts.
[17:54] We have districts through the
[17:55] medians to come back and touch
[17:56] another medians.
[17:57] >>coun. Rogers: that's just
[17:59] medians so not other parts of
[18:00] the neighborhood?
[18:01] >> correct.
[18:02] >>coun. Rogers: medians and
[18:03] street scapes.
[18:05] I'm working on litter ordinance.
[18:06] This is research.
[18:09] Your department is only median
[18:11] and street scapes.
[18:11] Thank you.
[18:12] MR. Whelan.
[18:15] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[18:17] rogers, that's part of our clean
[18:18] city's crew.
[18:20] But we also deploy up to eight
[18:22] trucks throughout districts,
[18:24] your district is almost every
[18:25] day, where they do go through
[18:29] the streets and pickup litter,
[18:30] remove feces.
[18:32] And if there's what we consider
[18:33] illegal dumping, where somebody
[18:35] had an encampment and left and
[18:36] leave all the trash behind --
[18:39] >>coun. Rogers: I see
[18:39] inencampment cleanup people,
[18:42] trust me.
[18:43] Sgli.
[18:44] >> they do cleanup of things
[18:45] left behind.
[18:47] I was in your district today,
[18:50] and I saw tennessee where people
[18:50] left.
[18:53] One of the trucks that usually
[18:55] does the cleanup was there and
[18:57] they stopped and picked it up.
[19:00] It was clean within that moment.
[19:01] Within an hour there could be
[19:02] more.
[19:03] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[19:05] There's one more video I want to
[19:05] show.
[19:08] This one is a doozy.
[19:12] I think it's the video of the
[19:12] shoes.
[19:16] My pet peeve is shoes on the
[19:18] power lines.
[19:20] I think I've interacted with
[19:21] every department except maybe
[19:22] transit.
[19:24] This one is more towards transit
[19:28] and our construction site at the
[19:28] international district library.
[19:30] I think that's a mix between
[19:33] transit and parks, if I'm not
[19:34] mistaken.
[19:36] That one is -- that bus stop is
[19:38] always in disrepair.
[19:39] I think I know who is
[19:41] responsible for the transit
[19:41] ones.
[19:44] When it comes to our
[19:46] construction site and the litter
[19:50] that's around that gate, who
[19:53] does that?
[19:55] General contractors?
[19:56] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[19:58] rogers, are you referring to a
[19:59] city project?
[20:01] >>coun. Rogers: that is a city
[20:01] project.
[20:03] The id library park.
[20:05] Next to the id library.
[20:09] It's the fencing encompassing --
[20:11] sometimes inside the fencing and
[20:12] outside the fencing.
[20:14] >> I think it's going to be the
[20:16] contractor that has the permit
[20:17] for that facility.
[20:17] >>coun. Rogers: if it's inside
[20:22] the gates?
[20:24] If it's outside had
[20:30] gates, who does that?
[20:33] >> I guess we need more
[20:35] specifics on the locations.
[20:38] If it's out on the sidewalk into
[20:40] the street, we're reliable.
[20:42] At the same time, it's the
[20:44] contractor to address their
[20:44] location.
[20:45] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[20:45] PRESIDENT.
[20:50] For the last video, to drive
[20:53] home we need to work on litter
[20:53] ordinance.
[20:57] I am sick of living in filth in
[20:59] my neighborhood.
[21:00] I am done.
[21:03] i have to use my council set
[21:07] aside to pay a contractor, red
[21:08] shovel, to clean the safe route
[21:13] to school for wilson and woodier
[21:15] schools because we as a team
[21:17] haven't been able to get this
[21:17] together.
[21:19] I'll reach out to you with a
[21:21] draft of the ordinance with how
[21:22] to make this better.
[21:24] I am done living in filth in my
[21:25] district.
[21:26] It's not just unsheltered
[21:27] people.
[21:30] I watched people in benzs
[21:31] throwing out stuff from the car,
[21:34] I watched grandmas doing it, and
[21:35] kids doing it.
[21:37] I watched unsheltered do it.
[21:39] We don't have enough officers
[21:42] for 911 calls in my district.
[21:43] I know we're not proactively
[21:46] policing littering.
[21:47] I am over it.
[21:49] Roll that beautiful shoot
[21:53] footage, garret, for me.
[21:54] I'll send it to you.
[21:55] It's beautiful.
[21:57] There's about 50 shoes on the
[21:58] power lines.
[22:00] I reached out to code
[22:03] enforcement, pnm, and reached
[22:04] out to everybody.
[22:05] This is an indicator.
[22:06] It's not a joke.
[22:11] These are indicators of people
[22:13] being able to get drugs.
[22:14] I want them down.
[22:15] Everywhere in my district.
[22:16] I don't want to see them.
[22:18] I want us to have a proactive
[22:20] way to get them down whether we
[22:21] have to partner with whoever
[22:23] line they belong to.
[22:26] We should figure this out as a
[22:27] city.
[22:29] I invite you to a meeting to
[22:30] discuss changes to the litter
[22:33] ordinance before I drop it so I
[22:35] we can work as a team to fix
[22:36] this once and for all.
[22:38] I'm done living in filth.
[22:41] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[22:42] >>coun. Champine: councilor
[22:46] telles.
[22:47] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MR.
[22:48] Vice PRESIDENT.
[22:51] I have a few questions for the
[22:55] admin for director sandoval and
[22:59] I don't know if director mar
[22:59] teen
[23:00] teens is here
[23:03] director martinez is to here or
[23:04] not.
[23:05] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[23:07] telles, I didn't hear you.
[23:08] >>coun. Telles: are you filling
[23:12] in for director martinez?
[23:15] Cfo?
[23:15] I'm sorry.
[23:18] Man, I need to clean my glasses.
[23:23] I'm sorry.
[23:24] 6-year-old fingerprints all
[23:34] over.
[23:35] Good evening.
[23:36] I have a couple questions for
[23:36] you.
[23:38] Thank you so much.
[23:43] I wanted to talk to you a little
[23:47] bit about the omb proposed rule
[23:49] overhaul of the uniform guidance
[23:52] at the federal level.
[23:53] For those individuals who might
[23:56] not know what's going on, the
[23:59] federal omb has proposed some
[24:02] rule changes to the uniform of
[24:05] guidance for federal award
[24:05] recipients.
[24:09] And in short, essentially, we're
[24:11] waiting for what the omb is
[24:14] going to do with regards to our
[24:17] uniform guidance and federal
[24:17] grants.
[24:20] The guidance that's being
[24:21] proposed is -- would make the
[24:23] guidance finding.
[24:26] It would add political
[24:29] pre-issuance review of grants.
[24:30] Expand agencies ability to
[24:33] terminate awards at any time.
[24:35] this is at a very compressed
[24:36] time period.
[24:38] I think we were scrambling when
[24:39] this came out.
[24:41] It was basically -- it was
[24:43] published the end of MAY and
[24:45] gave us a 45-day window to
[24:48] provide our comments.
[24:51] I know we provided -- council
[24:52] comments on our end.
[24:54] Thank you for sharing your
[24:56] comments as well.
[24:59] My concern is, given the rule,
[25:01] we expected it to be finalized
[25:04] by OCTOBER 1st, and we have
[25:07] quite a few
[25:11] discretionary federal grants
[25:13] that could be affected if this
[25:15] rule goes into effect either in
[25:17] whole or in part.
[25:18] I am especially concerned about
[25:20] the potential discretionary
[25:21] termination without appeal.
[25:24] That puts about -- from what I
[25:26] was able to identify, about
[25:29] $26.7 million in federal grants
[25:32] at risk of disappearing mid-year
[25:33] with zero notice requirement or
[25:33] no appeal.
[25:38] I'm curious what you're doing at
[25:41] the moment -- does the city have
[25:43] a stabilization plan or model
[25:45] scenario where if an active
[25:49] federal grant is terminated or
[25:51] delayed, and what reserve or
[25:52] contingency funding would cover
[25:54] that gap for these fy27
[25:58] programs?
[26:00] >> council PRESIDENT, councilor
[26:02] telles, like you said, we had a
[26:06] very short window to respond.
[26:08] I'm also a member of one of the
[26:10] committee for gfoa.
[26:12] They received -- omb received
[26:15] over 500,000 comments.
[26:18] The response we gave and had a
[26:22] separate one with gfoa is extend
[26:23] the period for implementation to
[26:26] change policy and procedures and
[26:27] get us prepared.
[26:29] just saying it's OCTOBER 1st,
[26:32] 2026 is not enough time.
[26:33] That would be the best thing.
[26:38] Not just for us, for any other
[26:39] affected branch.
[26:41] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MS.
[26:41] Sandoval.
[26:43] I understand that would be the
[26:44] best thing.
[26:46] I don't anticipate that it's
[26:48] actually going to happen, given
[26:49] the direction of the federal
[26:51] government right now.
[26:53] And what this omb director has
[26:56] done when it comes down to cfcb
[26:59] rules and regulations they have
[27:00] cut.
[27:02] Again, this kit was pretty much
[27:04] caught me off-guard because they
[27:07] just updated rules to uniform
[27:08] guidance.
[27:10] They generally don't do that
[27:12] unless it's every five years.
[27:15] For them to do it a year later,
[27:17] you know, it's surprising.
[27:20] I have been in contact with
[27:23] dfa's local government division.
[27:26] To ask if they're providing any
[27:30] guidance to local governments
[27:34] before OCTOBER 1st.
[27:37] I anticipate that some type of
[27:39] final rule will likely be
[27:40] published on OCTOBER 1st.
[27:44] My question here is do we have
[27:49] any sort of plans for
[27:50] stabilizing the federal awards
[27:52] that we get here?
[27:53] These are going to be block
[27:54] grants.
[27:55] These are going to be
[27:56] discretionary grants.
[27:58] These are formula grants.
[28:00] The majority of these grants are
[28:02] going to hit hhh pretty hard.
[28:05] That just means we're going to
[28:09] lose services if these
[28:11] discretionary grants are pulled.
[28:14] And again, these can be pulled
[28:16] for any reason based on the
[28:17] rules.
[28:19] my question, again, is are you
[28:23] developing or have a plan to
[28:26] develop any sort of
[28:28] stabilization -- federal funding
[28:29] stabilization plan for these
[28:32] grants that MAY be affected?
[28:35] >> MADAM Chair, councilor
[28:38] telles, I think there have been
[28:40] ongoing conversations, frankly,
[28:41] since this administration has
[28:43] been in office because there
[28:48] have been concerns over time
[28:49] related to different grants.
[28:52] So, there have been questions
[28:54] posed to all the departments
[28:57] about their funding and what
[28:59] would be their contingency
[29:00] plans.
[29:01] I think this is just another
[29:03] part of those ongoing
[29:04] conversations that we've been
[29:05] having.
[29:07] >>coun. Telles: thank you, cfo.
[29:09] Does that mean you are putting
[29:14] together a stabilization plan?
[29:16] >> MADAM Chair, councilor
[29:18] telles, I guess without knowing
[29:20] what you mean by stabilization
[29:22] plan -- I think what I'm saying
[29:24] is we had ongoing conversations
[29:26] with the departments about if
[29:28] they lost federal funding what
[29:29] would be their plan to ensure
[29:32] they would be able to continue
[29:32] services.
[29:34] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM
[29:34] Cfo.
[29:35] Are you leaving it up to the
[29:38] department to come up with a
[29:39] contingency plan for their
[29:41] federal awards?
[29:43] Are you providing guidance as
[29:45] the tone at the top for the
[29:47] directors and their fiscal
[29:53] officers in each department?
[29:55] I'm trying to understand if the
[29:57] city can provide department by
[29:59] department inventory of what
[30:01] federal discretionary awards
[30:03] that the city administers, what
[30:05] that total amount might be, what
[30:07] the funding agency is, what the
[30:10] award period is, if we're up for
[30:12] renewal or continuation, what
[30:15] these awards are, how many are
[30:16] discretion.
[30:19] I think we need to have an idea
[30:22] of what it looks like -- what
[30:24] our picture looks like for the
[30:26] awards that we get that fund our
[30:26] work.
[30:28] I know we have several programs
[30:32] in hhh in particular that are
[30:34] 100% funded by federal awards.
[30:38] So, if that award gets --
[30:42] disappears mid.
[30:43] -year with zero
[30:45] notice and no appeal, what are
[30:47] we going to do about that?
[30:49] I personally identified, with
[30:52] the help of our awesome team,
[30:57] 26.7 million at risk right now.
[30:58] You know, what's the plan?
[31:00] Are we doing anything to say,
[31:03] okay, if this happens, let's say
[31:05] worst case scenario, OCTOBER
[31:09] 1st, these proposed rules by omb
[31:12] go into effect on OCTOBER 1st,
[31:15] and now these federal agencies
[31:17] that provide us these awards,
[31:19] whether they're direct awards,
[31:21] whether they're pass through
[31:23] grants or federal awards,
[31:28] whether we have subrecipient
[31:31] monitoring we have to deal with.
[31:34] What happens if they get pulled?
[31:36] What is our continuity plan?
[31:37] What are we going to do if we
[31:39] lose, at minimum, 27
[31:41] $27 million?
[31:42] >> MADAM Chair, councilor
[31:45] telles, as I said, when this
[31:46] administration came into office
[31:49] we did an inventory of all of
[31:51] our federal grants in
[31:52] collaboration with the
[31:52] departments.
[31:54] We're not leaving it up to the
[31:57] departments, but they them are
[31:59] the experts as to what funding
[32:01] they're receiving and what that
[32:02] funding is being used for.
[32:05] We're happy to go back and
[32:06] pinpoint these ones as it
[32:11] relates to this much
[32:11] transaction.
[32:12] But this is something we've been
[32:14] looking at and talking about for
[32:15] quite sometime.
[32:17] Even before I was cfo.
[32:18] These conversations were
[32:19] happening.
[32:19] >>coun. Telles: that's great to
[32:20] hear.
[32:21] Thank you so much.
[32:22] I would respectfully request,
[32:24] MADAM PRESIDENT, if possible, I
[32:26] would like to -- I have some
[32:28] more questions I can send over
[32:30] to you offline that you can
[32:33] review so we know what reserve
[32:33] funds we have.
[32:35] I'm wondering what reserve funds
[32:36] we have.
[32:38] Any bridge financing.
[32:40] What type of reolication
[32:42] authority we might have to
[32:45] sustain these services if a
[32:47] major grant is suspended or
[32:49] pulled without notice.
[32:50] MADAM PRESIDENT, respectfully, I
[32:54] would love to add -- request
[32:56] that we include a presentation
[33:00] from your office -- from you --
[33:02] about what type of
[33:05] stabilizations we have so we can
[33:06] know, you know, what is going to
[33:08] happen if there's a sudden loss
[33:12] of this federal discretionary
[33:12] funding.
[33:17] Because potentially this has
[33:19] impact on transit, vouchers,
[33:22] behavioral health contracts,
[33:23] aviation grants.
[33:25] I think we need to be prepared
[33:29] to backfill these if, again,
[33:31] worst case scenario, that
[33:33] happens on OCTOBER 1st.
[33:34] We don't know.
[33:36] We don't know what the omb is
[33:37] going to do.
[33:38] We don't know what the federal
[33:41] government is going to do.
[33:43] But because we don't know what
[33:44] they're going to do it's even
[33:48] more imperative that we have a
[33:51] stabilization continuity plan.
[33:53] I'm happy to send that
[33:54] information and questions to
[33:54] you.
[33:56] I would love to have a
[34:01] presentation from you all.
[34:02] >> council PRESIDENT, we submit
[34:05] a grant report to council.
[34:06] We also prepared it for the
[34:09] audit every year.
[34:10] That's audited.
[34:13] We'd be happy to do it.
[34:14] >>coun. Telles: thank you.
[34:16] I appreciate it.
[34:17] >>coun. Champine: hold on for
[34:19] one second, lady.
[34:19] Councilor rogers.
[34:20] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[34:21] I have a follow up.
[34:23] I also wanted to see if we could
[34:25] collaborate as a team, as the
[34:27] city of albuquerque, because I
[34:28] think the administration is
[34:29] setting one set of comments,
[34:33] we're sending another set of
[34:33] comments.
[34:36] So far that I've seen, they
[34:39] haven't been differing but
[34:40] there's different points and
[34:42] pages we want to highlight based
[34:45] on expertise from our
[34:45] colleagues.
[34:46] I think it would be good if we
[34:48] can all get on the same page and
[34:49] we're saying the same thing to
[34:51] our congressional delegation.
[34:53] I'm sending them information.
[34:53] I know councilor telles and
[34:56] councilor fiebelkorn is sending
[34:56] them information.
[34:58] I think it would just be good
[35:00] for the city of albuquerque as a
[35:00] whole.
[35:02] One albuquerque spirit that
[35:03] we're communicating these
[35:04] important things.
[35:06] I think having a list and having
[35:07] the audits are good.
[35:08] I think what councilor telles is
[35:12] asking for is a contingency
[35:12] plan.
[35:14] Same as I asked for when this
[35:17] administration took office, not
[35:19] mayor, but the federal
[35:21] administration, on what our
[35:23] grants -- like what is the list?
[35:24] You're able to pull that
[35:24] together.
[35:27] Should we lose funding, what is
[35:28] our plan together?
[35:29] As the appropriating body and
[35:31] the executing of the budget, how
[35:34] do we work together as a team to
[35:35] replace that funding?
[35:36] I think for me that's the most
[35:37] important thing, especially that
[35:40] we have some officers on federal
[35:43] funding for their positions.
[35:45] We need to have a plan.
[35:48] I just wanted to echo that.
[35:49] Thank you.
[35:49] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[35:50] councilor rogers.
[35:52] MADAM PRESIDENT, I just have one
[35:52] question.
[35:54] It's for the cao.
[35:57] I know it's past 5:30.
[36:01] Is there any plans on -- we
[36:02] haven't received quarter two,
[36:05] quarter three, or quarter four
[36:06] of the litigation reports.
[36:08] Is there any plans?
[36:10] I know we sent several emails.
[36:12] Are there any plans to send
[36:12] those eventually?
[36:15] >> MADAM PRESIDENT --
[36:17] >>coun. Champine: I'm sorry,
[36:18] quarter of '25.
[36:20] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[36:22] champine, I would ask city
[36:24] attorney to respond as reports
[36:25] come directly from the city
[36:27] attorney's office.
[36:28] >> we do have the reports up to
[36:29] date.
[36:36] They're ready to circulate into
[36:36] docusign.
[36:38] >>coun. Champine: there ready --
[36:42] I'm sorry, I meant '26.
[36:43] Not '25.
[36:44] >> yes.
[36:46] I'm about to get the next
[36:48] quarter next week.
[36:50] The three quarters -- I'm
[36:52] sorry -- I'm not sure I can
[36:54] think through the quarters.
[36:56] I'm up to date through the
[36:57] quarters and I'll get another
[36:58] one next week.
[37:00] Whatever that most recent
[37:02] quarter is is done and ready to
[37:06] send to docusign.
[37:08] >>coun. Champine: they will be
[37:09] released before next council
[37:09] meeting?
[37:14] >> yes, once they go into docu
[37:15] sign is just days.
[37:16] >> weicide send them down
[37:18] ?
[37:19] >> we would send them down the
[37:21] next time we send legislation
[37:23] which would be next tuesday.
[37:25] >>coun. Champine: noted.
[37:26] Councilor grout.
[37:27] >>coun. Grout: I just wanted to
[37:28] follow up.
[37:29] How come we haven't gotten the
[37:33] ones before?
[37:35] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[37:37] grout, we have been working on a
[37:41] new system for getting those
[37:41] out.
[37:43] There have been some staffing
[37:45] changes in my office and we've
[37:46] been trying to get a new system.
[37:48] I think we now have it set.
[37:53] Those have been delayed as a
[37:56] result.
[37:58] >>coun. Champine: perfect.
[37:59] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[38:00] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you, vice
[38:01] PRESIDENT Champine.
[38:04] We're now on item 15, other
[38:04] business.
[38:08] executive session pursuant to
[38:10] nmsa1978 section 10-15-1,
[38:12] discussion of limited personnel
[38:14] matter pertaining to the
[38:16] inspector general investigation
[38:19] of our city attorney.
[38:22] We need a roll call vote to go
[38:24] into special session.
[38:26] [Roll call].
[38:28] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[38:30] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[38:32] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[38:35] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[38:36] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[38:40] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[38:42] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[38:44] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[38:44] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[38:46] >> passes unanimously.
[39:13] >>coun. Pe}a: we're back.
[39:15] I affirm that the matters
[39:16] discussed in the executive
[39:19] session were limited to those
[39:20] specified in the motion for
[39:22] closure.
[39:24] Now, we're on item three,
[39:26] proclamations and presentations.
[39:27] This will be vice PRESIDENT
[39:28] Champine.
[39:29] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[39:30] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[39:31] Councilor fiebelkorn.
[39:32] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[39:33] MR. Vice PRESIDENT Champine.
[39:36] We have a presentation tonight
[39:39] on our move and mentor program
[39:40] that councilor bassan is in the
[39:41] lead on.
[39:44] And I have been supportive.
[39:48] It will be from MS. Karen anale
[39:50] director of housing efficiency.
[39:52] And lauren gallegos from
[39:54] catholic charities.
[39:55] If they can come on down.
[39:57] We asked them to give a quick
[39:59] update on the program that
[40:02] council funded and how
[40:05] incredibly successful it's been
[40:07] in its first couple months.
[40:09] >> good evening, councilors.
[40:11] i'm the director of housing and
[40:13] self-efficiency at catholic
[40:13] charity.
[40:14] Thank you for the opportunity to
[40:15] speak with you today.
[40:17] I'm here to share the impacted
[40:19] of two city funded initiatives
[40:23] made possible through our
[40:24] support.
[40:27] I especially like to thank
[40:28] councilor bassan and councilor
[40:28] fiebelkorn.
[40:29] And everyone who helped bring
[40:30] these programs to life.
[40:34] Your investment is making a very
[40:35] meaningful difference.
[40:37] Between JANUARY and JUNE 2026
[40:39] catholic charities received
[40:41] funding to launch these
[40:42] programs.
[40:44] $300,000 was provided as direct
[40:45] financial assistance to
[40:47] households that were in crisis.
[40:50] During that time we received 807
[40:51] applications for assistance and
[40:54] helped 238 households with past
[40:56] due rent, move in cost and
[40:57] utility assistance.
[40:59] More than two-thirds of the
[41:01] households were served including
[41:03] children and 129 families were
[41:05] facing financial crisis caused
[41:07] by medical emergencies.
[41:09] These are families who were one
[41:11] expected event away from
[41:11] homelessness.
[41:15] This year, we've ex-pandemiceded
[41:18] and launching our move and
[41:19] mentor program.
[41:21] Many people don't need long-term
[41:21] case management.
[41:23] They simply need someone to help
[41:26] them overcome barriers like poor
[41:27] credit, criminal background,
[41:29] technology challenges, or
[41:31] navigating rental processes.
[41:32] Our team has worked one-on-one
[41:34] with clients while partnering
[41:35] with landlord and property
[41:37] managers across albuquerque to
[41:38] help people access housing.
[41:40] Through this work, we also
[41:42] identified dozens of seniors at
[41:45] gateway west to who have been
[41:46] priced out of housing.
[41:48] For someone living on a fixed
[41:51] income a significant rent
[41:54] increase can become an eviction
[41:54] notice.
[41:59] We've donated $25,000 to help
[42:00] transition them into stable
[42:01] housing.
[42:01] One point that's important to
[42:03] mention is homelessness does
[42:05] cost our community far more than
[42:07] housing our community does.
[42:08] Research estimates that a person
[42:10] experiencing chronic
[42:12] homelessness cost taxpayers
[42:15] between $50-75,000 each year
[42:16] through medical care and law
[42:18] enforcement and crisis services.
[42:20] Once that person is placed in
[42:22] supportive housing the cost
[42:24] drops to $12,800.
[42:27] That's a saving of $37,000 per
[42:29] person every single year.
[42:31] Housing isn't just a
[42:33] compassionate choice, it's a
[42:34] fiscally responsible choice.
[42:36] We've already seen the impact of
[42:37] our move and mentor program.
[42:39] We've helped people with
[42:41] full-time jobs who simply
[42:42] couldn't secure housing because
[42:43] of barriers beyond their
[42:44] control.
[42:45] They didn't need years of
[42:46] assistance.
[42:47] They just needed someone to
[42:48] advocate for them and connect
[42:49] them with landlords and help
[42:52] them navigate this complicated
[42:53] system.
[42:54] The families serve are working,
[42:57] raising children and recovering
[42:58] from medical crisis and doing
[43:00] everything they can to remain
[43:00] self-sufficient.
[43:01] Sometimes the difference between
[43:04] stability and homelessness isn't
[43:04] motivation, it's opportunity.
[43:07] Your investment creates that
[43:08] opportunity.
[43:11] It keeps families together and
[43:13] helps ensure albuquerque
[43:15] residents have a safe stable
[43:16] place to call home.
[43:17] We're here to ask for your
[43:19] continued support to expand this
[43:19] program.
[43:21] We can prevent homelessness
[43:22] before it happens.
[43:25] This is a preventative measure.
[43:26] Remove barriers to housing and
[43:28] help families achieve lasting
[43:29] stability.
[43:30] Thank you for your partnership,
[43:30] leadership and continued
[43:32] commitment to making housing
[43:33] stability a reality for our
[43:34] community.
[43:36] We do have this we wanted to
[43:38] potentially show you folks.
[43:39] I don't know where we do that
[43:44] at.
[43:46] If you have any questions --
[43:47] there we go.
[43:49] We would love to answer them for
[44:01] you.
[44:02] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I think this
[44:04] is an incredible program that is
[44:05] very little money in the grand
[44:07] scheme of our really large
[44:09] budget here in the city of
[44:09] albuquerque.
[44:11] It's done a lot of good.
[44:13] I want to thank councilor
[44:13] bassan.
[44:15] She's the one that led this from
[44:20] the beginning and made sure it
[44:20] hammed
[44:21] happened.
[44:22] I'll tell the public, if you
[44:24] want to learn about it, the next
[44:27] district seven connection zoom
[44:28] meeting we'll have a
[44:31] presentation and q&a.
[44:33] If you're not signed up, sign up
[44:36] for a longer more detailed
[44:38] presentation the first friday of
[44:38] the month.
[44:42] Thank you.
[44:42] >>coun. Champine: MADAM
[44:45] PRESIDENT, we do have a second
[44:52] presentation tonight from MS. --
[44:54] councilor bassan.
[44:55] I apologize.
[44:56] You are second in that
[44:59] presentation.
[45:04] My apologies.
[45:06] >>coun. Pe}a: I'd love to hear
[45:08] from councilor bassan because I
[45:12] think catholic charities does
[45:13] remarkable work and they never
[45:15] have come to the city of
[45:16] albuquerque to get funded in a
[45:18] way that we really should.
[45:20] I have personal experience.
[45:21] I just think you guys have done
[45:24] an amazing job over there.
[45:24] Thank you.
[45:25] Councilor bassan, I'd love to
[45:27] hear from you.
[45:28] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[45:29] MR. Vice PRESIDENT, I was going
[45:31] to ask if they make sure we get
[45:34] a copy of the flier so we can
[45:36] distribute it and put it on the
[45:38] website so people can get it.
[45:40] It's been a pleasure to come up
[45:42] with this and work with
[45:43] everyone.
[45:43] >>coun. Champine: councilor
[45:44] fiebelkorn.
[45:44] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[45:45] MR. Vice PRESIDENT Champine.
[45:46] I have the flier and I'll send
[45:51] it to all of you right now.
[45:52] >>coun. Champine: MADAM
[45:55] PRESIDENT, we have a second
[45:58] presentation from the city
[45:59] economist.
[46:00] She'll provide an update to the
[46:05] cannabis and gross receipts tax.
[46:06] >> MR. Vice PRESIDENT Champine,
[46:08] I have a quick presentation for
[46:09] you, councilors.
[46:13] This is the MAY grt report.
[46:15] here it is.
[46:18] For MAY, growth slowed quite a
[46:20] bit from past several months.
[46:22] It was still 3.2%.
[46:26] That brings the clumlative
[46:28] growth to 5%.
[46:30] We've got one more month in the
[46:31] fiscal year.
[46:32] Construction seemed to
[46:34] contribute the most to the
[46:35] slower growth this month.
[46:40] It declined 17.5%.
[46:44] Retail was 0.3% declined.
[46:45] Essentially flat to slightly
[46:46] negative.
[46:48] On the upside, professional
[46:50] services grew 10.6%.
[46:53] Other services, 9.3.
[46:55] Health care 21.7.
[46:59] All did quite well.
[47:02] Manufacturing grew as well.
[47:05] I guess I can speak more to
[47:05] that.
[47:07] I'll go ahead and move to
[47:11] cannabis.
[47:13] Cannabis dropped a little bit
[47:15] from last month.
[47:16] 33.7% growth.
[47:18] It was quite strong at 16%.
[47:22] The assumption or hopefully trd
[47:24] is doing compliance efforts.
[47:26] Hopefully that will continue to
[47:28] stay a little bit stronger than
[47:33] it had been.
[47:35] Cumulative growth is 6.5% for
[47:36] the year.
[47:38] Briefly, it's hard to believe
[47:39] it's quarterly report time.
[47:43] It's time for unm b irksey ber.
[47:46] I got their data ahead of time
[47:48] and looked it over to see if
[47:50] there's changes expected for
[47:51] fy27.
[47:53] Employment was supposed to grow
[47:56] the tiniest little bit more than
[48:00] the previous quarter's
[48:00] projection.
[48:01] Almost negligible.
[48:05] And housing permits and those
[48:08] sorts of things remain.
[48:09] no significant changes from the
[48:10] last quarter.
[48:13] I can stand for questions.
[48:13] >>coun. Champine: councilor
[48:14] rogers.
[48:15] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[48:15] PRESIDENT.
[48:17] Thank you -- I love these
[48:19] presentations every month.
[48:21] Do you get access to the market
[48:24] presentations that we get as a
[48:25] part of our tid?
[48:31] I sit on the board for south
[48:34] campus and mesa del sol.
[48:35] There's three of them.
[48:37] And state fair.
[48:39] Not really a tid.
[48:40] Do you get access to those
[48:42] market reports that we get as a
[48:44] part of that?
[48:48] I know merehead is a -- is there
[48:49] a lot of time.
[48:52] >> councilor rogers, I actually
[48:54] attend some of those tid
[48:55] meetings.
[48:58] I usually hang out in the
[48:59] background.
[48:59] I don't believe I get the
[49:00] reports.
[49:01] I would love to see them.
[49:02] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[49:04] The reason I ask is because
[49:06] there's information we share
[49:07] during those meetings that I
[49:12] think would be good for overall
[49:13] public about all the different
[49:16] things that make-up this report
[49:18] to incorporate into ours.
[49:21] I learn a ton of what's
[49:22] happening in the market.
[49:24] That really affects city
[49:24] government.
[49:26] I'm happy to share those with
[49:27] you and maybe there's stuff to
[49:28] incorporate.
[49:33] I'd love to get a copy of the
[49:35] beiber report.
[49:37] If you could help me by sending
[49:39] those, I would love to read
[49:41] those and learn more.
[49:44] last question I have is as we do
[49:48] a bunch of tax abatements and
[49:50] IRBs, does your department track
[49:52] or anyone on your team track
[49:54] that year over year so we know
[49:56] we have it -- we have given all
[49:58] these tax breaks, all these
[50:00] people that affect our grt at
[50:04] some point so we maybe don't
[50:06] need to do those for a little
[50:10] while so we're not inadvertently
[50:10] move
[50:13] losing grt because we don't have
[50:15] a cumulative running total of
[50:18] what that is going to affect grt
[50:19] in the city?
[50:20] Do you do anything like that?
[50:23] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[50:26] rogers, there's something called
[50:31] the gaz b
[50:32] by 77.
[50:36] It's looking at the irb and mra
[50:38] and looking at the tax revenue
[50:41] that is lost, essentially.
[50:43] There's a report for it
[50:43] annually.
[50:44] I think this month or next I
[50:46] have to start that over again.
[50:48] Perhaps, you'd like to see that
[50:49] report?
[50:50] >>coun. Rogers: that would be
[50:53] super helpful for us.
[50:55] I'm just worried at some point
[50:57] if we keep doing that we'll
[51:01] affect our grt and what we have
[51:02] as a city.
[51:04] I wonder how that affects it.
[51:06] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[51:11] >>coun. Pe}a: MADAM PRESIDENT.
[51:12] Councilor champine, do you have
[51:13] a follow-up?
[51:14] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[51:16] You mentioned cannabis was at
[51:19] 33% and it dropped a little bit.
[51:24] You indicated 16, so it dropped
[51:25] half?
[51:27] It went from 33 to 16?
[51:28] Okay.
[51:29] I just wanted to clarify that.
[51:31] >>coun. Pe}a: I'll just ask a
[51:31] question.
[51:33] Do you have an average of the
[51:34] grt increase over the past ten
[51:36] years?
[51:40] Do you track that in terms of
[51:40] perjuries?
[51:44] Has the grt been 5% increase
[51:45] every year?
[51:47] Do you know that off the top of
[51:49] your head?
[51:50] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, that would
[51:52] be easy to come up with.
[51:53] Certain things like covid and
[51:54] certain things like the
[51:56] introduction of local gross
[51:59] receipts tax on internet sales,
[52:00] those were significant changes
[52:03] that would throw that average
[52:03] off.
[52:06] It would skew it.
[52:09] That kind of information, I can
[52:10] easily provide that.
[52:12] If you want an average over the
[52:13] past ten years.
[52:14] >>coun. Pe}a: sure.
[52:17] And you can remove the covid
[52:18] time.
[52:20] You can include it in there.
[52:21] But maybe go ten years without
[52:24] that and ten years with covid.
[52:26] I'm just trying to see in terms
[52:27] of city gross receipts.
[52:29] This is our main source of
[52:31] revenue we use to provide all
[52:33] the services to our employees
[52:35] and do everything we need to do
[52:36] as a city.
[52:37] I think sometimes we're
[52:40] challenged with that.
[52:41] We have bernalillo county,
[52:43] they're doing amazing work over
[52:46] there, but they also have their
[52:46] grt.
[52:49] Plus they have the property tax.
[52:52] And the property tax goes up 4%
[52:55] on average a year.
[52:59] That on top of the grt, to me,
[53:00] looking at budgets over the
[53:03] years and I've talked with the
[53:05] county manager about this, it
[53:08] looks as though our budget is
[53:09] stagnant.
[53:10] But we provide services here in
[53:13] the city of albuquerque but for
[53:16] the unincorporated area.
[53:18] But also for rio rancho and
[53:19] surrounding communities.
[53:22] There's a real drain on our
[53:25] budget without the ability to
[53:28] have access to additional
[53:29] revenue.
[53:30] I think it's a larger
[53:32] conversation that we have to
[53:33] have, obviously I put forward
[53:36] the grt once again.
[53:37] I think it's a larger
[53:39] conversation that we have to
[53:42] have on how we best use our
[53:43] resources.
[53:45] Just like when people come into
[53:46] to go the gateway.
[53:49] Those are things that -- or rio
[53:51] rancho coming into albuquerque
[53:53] driving on the -- we're having
[53:55] to repave the roads and this and
[53:56] that.
[53:58] Those are just good partners and
[53:59] relationships we need to figure
[54:02] out how we help with that.
[54:05] Even with our water treatment.
[54:07] Obviously, that's an issue for
[54:11] the water authority, but intel,
[54:15] we're cleaning that water.
[54:17] That's another burden that we
[54:18] have as a city.
[54:21] We're the largest city in the
[54:22] state of new mexico.
[54:24] And we have to keep up to be
[54:26] able to provide really good
[54:28] services and pave our streets
[54:31] and put street lighting and
[54:34] we're just really, I think, each
[54:37] city council district, similar
[54:38] to councilor rogers's question,
[54:42] we really need to figure out a
[54:45] way to -- that's more in our
[54:45] city.
[54:47] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I'll try to
[54:48] put together some sort of
[54:50] helpful report in that regard.
[54:52] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you so much.
[54:56] We're now on item five, the
[54:56] journal.
[54:59] I move approval of the JUNE 15th
[54:59] journal.
[55:01] There's a motion and second by
[55:02] committee of the whole chair
[55:03] grout.
[55:06] [Roll call].
[55:09] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[55:10] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[55:12] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[55:14] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[55:16] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[55:18] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[55:20] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[55:21] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[55:22] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[55:24] >> passes unanimously.
[55:24] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[55:26] We're now on communications and
[55:28] introductions, which is item
[55:28] six.
[55:30] Are there any changes to the
[55:31] letter of introduction?
[55:33] I have one.
[55:34] Ec-195, I move the rules be
[55:35] suspended for the purpose of
[55:39] placing ec-195 on tonight's
[55:42] agenda for action.
[55:43] Authorizing social services
[55:44] agreement with new mexico
[55:46] veteran's integration center
[55:49] utilizing opioid settlement fund
[55:50] appropriations as outlined in
[55:54] city council r-25-128.
[55:56] I make a motion.
[55:58] There's a motion, and a second
[56:00] by councilor rogers.
[56:03] We need two-thirds vote.
[56:07] [Roll call].
[56:10] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[56:11] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[56:13] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[56:15] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[56:18] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[56:20] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[56:22] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[56:23] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[56:23] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[56:25] >> passes unanimously.
[56:27] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[56:29] Ec-196, I move the rules be
[56:30] suspended for the purpose of
[56:34] placing ec-196 on tonight's
[56:35] janned for action.
[56:39] It's to increase funding for
[56:41] substance treatment contract
[56:42] with albuquerque behavioral
[56:43] health.
[56:44] There's motion and second by
[56:45] councilor grout.
[56:47] This also requires a two-thirds
[56:48] vote.
[56:50] [Roll call].
[56:53] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[56:54] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[56:56] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[56:58] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[56:59] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[57:02] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[57:04] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[57:05] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[57:05] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[57:07] >> passes unanimously.
[57:09] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[57:09] Ec-197.
[57:11] I move that the rules be sus
[57:13] pend for the purpose of placing
[57:14] ec-197 on tonight's agenda for
[57:17] action.
[57:17] Ec-
[57:19] ec-197 is approval to increase
[57:23] funding for fy27 substance abuse
[57:26] treatment contract with engender
[57:28] incorporated and this does not
[57:31] require -- yes, it does require
[57:32] two-thirds vote.
[57:33] There's a motion, and a second
[57:35] by councilor grout.
[57:38] [Roll call].
[57:39] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[57:41] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[57:43] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[57:44] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[57:46] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[57:47] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[57:51] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[57:54] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[57:55] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[57:56] >> passes unanimously.
[57:59] >>coun. Pe}a: we are now --
[58:01] councilor baca, r-54.
[58:03] This one only requires five
[58:03] votes.
[58:04] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM
[58:05] PRESIDENT.
[58:06] R-54, I make a motion to amend
[58:07] the letter of introduction for
[58:10] the purpose of placing r-54 on
[58:11] the AUGUST 17th council agenda
[58:13] instead of placing it on
[58:14] tonight's agenda for action.
[58:16] Authorizing the execution and
[58:17] delivery of water project fund
[58:18] agreement between the new mexico
[58:21] finance authority and the city
[58:23] of albuquerque in the full
[58:26] amount of $6.1 million.
[58:26] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[58:27] and two seconds.
[58:30] I'll take the second by
[58:30] councilor rogers.
[58:32] [Roll call].
[58:33] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[58:35] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[58:37] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[58:39] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[58:40] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[58:42] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[58:43] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[58:45] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[58:45] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[58:47] >> passes unanimously.
[58:48] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[58:50] Councilor baca, by request.
[58:50] R-56.
[58:52] >>coun. Baca: thank you, r-56 I
[58:55] move the rules be suspend for
[58:56] placing r-56 on tonight's agenda
[58:58] for action.
[59:00] R-56 amending the adopted
[59:03] capital implementation program
[59:06] of the city by supplementing
[59:07] current grant and projects.
[59:08] I move do pass.
[59:09] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[59:10] and second by councilor grout.
[59:12] This will require two-thirds
[59:13] vote.
[59:15] [Roll call].
[59:15] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[59:17] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[59:18] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[59:19] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[59:22] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[59:23] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[59:25] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[59:26] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[59:26] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[59:29] >> passes unanimously.
[59:29] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[59:31] Councilor fiebelkorn, r-57.
[59:34] This will require two-thirds
[59:34] vote.
[59:35] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[59:35] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[59:36] I move the rules be suspended
[59:39] for placing r-57 on tonight's
[59:40] agenda for action.
[59:43] Dedicated state capital outlay
[59:45] funds to specific projects and
[59:46] phases and requiring council
[59:49] approval of scope changes.
[59:50] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[59:52] and a second by vice PRESIDENT
[59:52] Champine.
[59:56] [Roll call].
[59:58] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[59:59] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[1:00:01] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[1:00:03] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[1:00:04] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[1:00:06] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[1:00:09] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[1:00:10] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[1:00:10] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[1:00:13] >> passes unanimously.
[1:00:14] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[1:00:17] I move approval of the letter of
[1:00:17] introduction.
[1:00:19] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: point of
[1:00:19] order.
[1:00:20] Thank you.
[1:00:22] I would request the PRESIDENT
[1:00:23] Determine whether the
[1:00:26] introduction of r-58 is out of
[1:00:31] order based on violation of
[1:00:33] robert's rule of order which
[1:00:37] prohibits improper motion.
[1:00:39] as a reminder in robert's rules,
[1:00:43] it does state that no motion can
[1:00:45] be renewed during the same
[1:00:47] session which it has aural been
[1:00:52] before the the assembly, and the
[1:00:55] similar questions cannot be
[1:00:57] brought up a second time.
[1:00:59] The session for this council is
[1:01:00] two years long.
[1:01:02] We're on the 15th meeting of the
[1:01:04] 27th council.
[1:01:04] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor
[1:01:05] fiebelkorn, what bill are you
[1:01:06] referring to?
[1:01:12] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: it is r-58.
[1:01:13] >>coun. Pe}a: which we don't
[1:01:14] have in front of us.
[1:01:16] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: that is the
[1:01:18] gross receipts tax bill that has
[1:01:22] been voted down three times
[1:01:24] already this calendar year.
[1:01:27] I would say this is
[1:01:28] substantially the same what is
[1:01:29] being proposed tonight.
[1:01:31] I don't believe it qualifies
[1:01:37] under the rules that we have for
[1:01:37] council.
[1:01:38] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[1:01:38] I got it.
[1:01:40] We're just shuffling papers.
[1:01:41] Around.
[1:01:43] Thank you so much.
[1:01:45] I think I will defer to the city
[1:01:47] attorney.
[1:01:50] I will actually go through some
[1:01:54] of -- let me find -- this is not
[1:02:00] on the agenda.
[1:02:03] I think this is the second time
[1:02:04] with the grt.
[1:02:06] It's not the third time,
[1:02:06] correct?
[1:02:07] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM
[1:02:09] PRESIDENT, I can answer that
[1:02:09] question for you.
[1:02:16] We've voted down o-26-16.
[1:02:18] Which was back earlier this
[1:02:18] year.
[1:02:21] And then we also voted down
[1:02:23] r-26-43, which was recent.
[1:02:26] And then there was a motion to
[1:02:28] reconsider that failure, and
[1:02:31] that also was voted down by this
[1:02:34] council.
[1:02:36] I believe a gross receipt tax
[1:02:39] has been voted down three times
[1:02:41] by this council in this calendar
[1:02:42] year.
[1:02:43] >>coun. Pe}a: yes, working with
[1:02:46] our attorneys, it really has to
[1:02:48] have some change to it in order
[1:02:49] for it to be a different bill.
[1:02:52] This one is prettily
[1:02:56] substantially different.
[1:02:57] O-26-57 structure
[1:02:58] ally different
[1:03:01] approach designed with stronger
[1:03:02] taxpayer protection guarantee
[1:03:04] which the last one did not have.
[1:03:05] Long-term fiscal responsibility.
[1:03:08] Unlike past proposals this
[1:03:10] establishes clear boundaries on
[1:03:12] how funds are allocated, spent,
[1:03:14] and sustained.
[1:03:16] Balance allocation, we shifted
[1:03:19] from 50-50 split which we added
[1:03:22] for more operation and 47 for
[1:03:25] capital projects.
[1:03:28] Operational funding remains
[1:03:28] main z
[1:03:29] mains
[1:03:31] permanent to support on going
[1:03:34] services, the capital portion
[1:03:36] automatically ceases after 21
[1:03:36] years.
[1:03:37] We didn't have that before.
[1:03:40] With the capital, we're all --
[1:03:43] if it were to pass and go to the
[1:03:46] taxpayers, which I think is
[1:03:47] paramount, this is really, I
[1:03:49] feel, the fact the bill hasn't
[1:03:54] passed so many times is really
[1:03:59] unfair to the taxpayers.
[1:04:00] I have confidence in taxpayers
[1:04:01] to make the right decision.
[1:04:03] If they decide not to pass it,
[1:04:04] that's what their decision is.
[1:04:07] We get people coming here are
[1:04:09] the time saying let us make the
[1:04:10] decisions, this is a decision
[1:04:12] for the taxpayer.
[1:04:14] i'm just proposing we put it on
[1:04:15] the ballot.
[1:04:17] And protecting the wages for
[1:04:20] employees, we have a specific in
[1:04:24] there for employees to outline
[1:04:26] they would be part of this bill.
[1:04:28] It's not here or there or maybe
[1:04:29] or maybe not.
[1:04:31] I think this really guarantees
[1:04:34] protections for our employees.
[1:04:37] And then, the other strong
[1:04:42] language in here is that it's to
[1:04:45] supplement, not supplant.
[1:04:48] Some of the services, as you
[1:04:50] know, it could be this
[1:04:52] administration or other
[1:04:53] administrations that they can
[1:04:55] use it to sustain current
[1:04:57] operations that the city of
[1:04:58] albuquerque has.
[1:04:59] This actually protects from
[1:04:59] doing that.
[1:05:03] It ensures this new money goes
[1:05:07] to new services and new
[1:05:09] operations for the city of
[1:05:10] albuquerque.
[1:05:12] MS. Keefe, I don't know if you
[1:05:14] can answer the question further.
[1:05:18] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[1:05:21] I just -- I don't construe the
[1:05:24] council to operate in session.
[1:05:27] The rule of order has a specific
[1:05:31] definition of a session.
[1:05:32] In contrast, the new mexico
[1:05:35] legislature operates in sessions
[1:05:38] and bills die at the end of a
[1:05:39] session.
[1:05:41] We don't have a session where
[1:05:42] bills die.
[1:05:44] We have calendar from jan to
[1:05:44] DECEMBER.
[1:05:46] If a bill is pending it carries
[1:05:48] over to next JANUARY, that's
[1:05:50] true if it's this council or
[1:05:51] next council.
[1:05:53] There's no reference to session
[1:05:55] in the council's rules.
[1:05:57] When the calendar is passed it's
[1:05:59] not referred to as a session or
[1:06:01] part of a session.
[1:06:03] i don't think the rule cited is
[1:06:07] applicable.
[1:06:08] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM
[1:06:09] PRESIDENT, MAY I respond to
[1:06:10] that?
[1:06:10] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor
[1:06:11] fiebelkorn.
[1:06:12] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: that is very
[1:06:14] interesting because we have been
[1:06:16] working under this rule for the
[1:06:19] entire time I've been on
[1:06:19] council.
[1:06:20] I've specifically not
[1:06:22] reintroduced bill for the
[1:06:25] mandatory two-year wait period.
[1:06:26] If we are going to hear this
[1:06:28] bill tonight, I look forward to
[1:06:31] reintroducing rank choice voting
[1:06:33] immediately and also my full
[1:06:34] renter's bill of rights
[1:06:35] immediately and I will continue
[1:06:38] to keep those on the dais as
[1:06:40] long as I possibly can.
[1:06:41] Because now I'm being told there
[1:06:44] are no rules that say that we do
[1:06:46] not repeat bills immediately
[1:06:51] upon their failure.
[1:06:51] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you,
[1:06:52] councilor fiebelkorn.
[1:06:54] I think it does state the bill
[1:06:55] does have to differ.
[1:06:57] If you introduce it has to
[1:06:58] differ somewhat.
[1:06:58] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM
[1:07:00] PRESIDENT, the bill in front of
[1:07:01] us is substantially the same as
[1:07:03] the bill we voted down twice
[1:07:03] already.
[1:07:06] I did a line by line, word by
[1:07:10] word analysis changing 50-50 to
[1:07:14] 47-53 and adding one
[1:07:15] three-paragraph new paragraph
[1:07:18] and three-sentence paragraph in
[1:07:19] there, strategic editing doesn't
[1:07:21] create a new question.
[1:07:23] This will be the fourth time
[1:07:25] that the citizens of albuquerque
[1:07:28] have had this voted down by this
[1:07:29] council tonight.
[1:07:33] I was asking for a ruling by the
[1:07:36] president to determine if this
[1:07:38] was in vailation of robert's
[1:07:41] rule of order.
[1:07:42] >>coun. Pe}a: before I go to
[1:07:43] you, vice PRESIDENT Champine, I
[1:07:50] would say that it is not.
[1:07:52] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you, I
[1:07:55] move that the council appeal the
[1:07:56] PRESIDENT's decision.
[1:07:56] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[1:07:59] and a second.
[1:08:05] [Roll call].
[1:08:08] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[1:08:13] >>coun. Bassan: no.
[1:08:16] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[1:08:22] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[1:08:25] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[1:08:28] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[1:08:31] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[1:08:35] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[1:08:35] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[1:08:41] >> it passes on a 7-2 vote.
[1:08:45] >>coun. Pe}a: formalities -- how
[1:08:46] would you -- what's the process
[1:08:48] now for formalities?
[1:08:51] Before we go to that, I just
[1:08:53] want to say, you know, we
[1:08:55] have -- this is really -- you
[1:08:57] know, I expected this to be kind
[1:08:59] of dead in the water.
[1:09:01] I've already talked to some of
[1:09:02] the union folks and let them
[1:09:03] know it's probably dead in the
[1:09:04] water.
[1:09:07] I wanted to make sure to try to
[1:09:10] bring this back as a last-ditch
[1:09:10] effort.
[1:09:12] As you think, I'm going to
[1:09:13] rehash some of what councilor
[1:09:16] bassan said at one point.
[1:09:23] We have a budget -- I just
[1:09:24] described our budget we have
[1:09:25] with our grt.
[1:09:28] The truth of the matter is we
[1:09:30] don't grow it by that much.
[1:09:36] We're held hostage, by lack of a
[1:09:38] better word, but we base most of
[1:09:41] our entire budget on the grt.
[1:09:44] When we talk about flexibility
[1:09:45] and services that the community
[1:09:48] wants and needs and the trash
[1:09:51] picked up and all the pictures
[1:09:53] that councilor rogers just
[1:09:56] showed minutes ago, all those
[1:09:58] things require staff needed to
[1:09:59] be able to do those things.
[1:10:01] And when you look at our budget
[1:10:04] you hear we don't have enough
[1:10:05] staff.
[1:10:06] We have vacancies.
[1:10:09] We're not paying our staff
[1:10:10] adequately.
[1:10:12] They're going to other
[1:10:12] municipalities.
[1:10:13] They're leaving the city.
[1:10:15] Before, many years ago, working
[1:10:18] for the city of albuquerque was
[1:10:19] paramount.
[1:10:21] That's how you -- when you're in
[1:10:23] poverty or when you're working
[1:10:25] class that's how you got out by
[1:10:28] getting a job that provided
[1:10:30] benefits and security.
[1:10:33] And government has not been that
[1:10:33] way.
[1:10:36] We haven't done a good job of
[1:10:37] doing that.
[1:10:40] I mentioned this last time, I've
[1:10:42] been on council for 12 years.
[1:10:45] Of those 12 years, our city
[1:10:49] employees have not been able to
[1:10:53] receive a significant wage
[1:10:55] increase to really even keep up
[1:10:56] with cost of living.
[1:10:59] When we ask ourselves why aren't
[1:11:00] these things happening in the
[1:11:02] way we would like to see them
[1:11:06] happen in our community, it's
[1:11:07] going to continue.
[1:11:08] Because if we do nothing, we
[1:11:09] have the same.
[1:11:14] If we do something -- not us as
[1:11:16] a council doing it, this vote
[1:11:19] right now really took the
[1:11:21] ability away from you the voters
[1:11:23] to make the decision whether we
[1:11:26] should do this or not.
[1:11:30] Thank you.
[1:11:35] Formalities.
[1:11:36] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, in
[1:11:38] consulting with the clerk of the
[1:11:39] council, the letter of
[1:11:43] introduction will be amended to
[1:11:45] remove that bill from the letter
[1:11:47] and it will be reflected in the
[1:11:49] journal that the vote was taken
[1:11:51] to take that off.
[1:11:52] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[1:11:54] Thank you so much.
[1:11:57] We can proceed?
[1:11:58] Okay.
[1:12:00] MADAM Clerk.
[1:12:02] >> this is approval of the
[1:12:03] letter of introduction.
[1:12:06] Did I get a second?
[1:12:09] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[1:12:11] Did you get the person?
[1:12:15] [Roll call].
[1:12:18] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[1:12:19] >>coun. Bassan: repeat what
[1:12:22] we're voting on.
[1:12:24] Thank you, yes.
[1:12:26] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[1:12:29] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[1:12:31] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[1:12:33] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[1:12:36] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[1:12:37] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[1:12:46] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[1:12:53] 8-1.
[1:12:58] Got it?
[1:13:01] We are now on item 7, reports of
[1:13:01] committee.
[1:13:02] There are none.
[1:13:05] Deferrals and withdrawals,
[1:13:07] councilors, are there any
[1:13:11] deferrals or withdrawals?
[1:13:13] Committee of the whole chair
[1:13:13] grout.
[1:13:16] >>coun. Grout: I'd like to pull
[1:13:25] ec-26-160.
[1:13:26] >>coun. Pe}a: on the consent
[1:13:29] agenda.
[1:13:31] Did you want to read it off?
[1:13:35] >>coun. Grout: sure.
[1:13:37] Ec-160 is approval of the
[1:13:39] agreement with home wise
[1:13:41] incorporated to utilize housing
[1:13:42] and neighborhood economic
[1:13:43] development funds in the amount
[1:13:48] of $2.8 million to administer
[1:13:50] homeowner rehabilitation
[1:13:51] program.
[1:13:54] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[1:13:56] Now, we don't need a second.
[1:13:58] Thank you, councilor rogers.
[1:14:00] With that, for the individuals
[1:14:02] on tonight's consent agenda
[1:14:04] being appointed tosoever on a
[1:14:05] board or commission thank you
[1:14:07] for your willingness to serve.
[1:14:10] I move proval of the consent
[1:14:10] agenda.
[1:14:11] I'll take it now.
[1:14:12] Councilor rogers.
[1:14:13] There's a motion, and a second
[1:14:13] by councilor rogers.
[1:14:15] [Roll call].
[1:14:17] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[1:14:19] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[1:14:21] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[1:14:23] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[1:14:25] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[1:14:27] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[1:14:30] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[1:14:32] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[1:14:32] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[1:14:35] >> passes unanimously.
[1:14:35] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[1:14:36] Councilor grout.
[1:14:38] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[1:14:38] PRESIDENT.
[1:14:41] I'm very interested in this
[1:14:42] program.
[1:14:44] I think it's wonderful.
[1:14:46] I have a few questions.
[1:14:49] First of all, it took -- this
[1:14:51] rfp went out two, three years
[1:14:51] ago.
[1:14:52] Three years ago.
[1:14:57] And it's just now coming to
[1:14:57] council.
[1:15:01] Can someone explain a little
[1:15:02] bit?
[1:15:04] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[1:15:07] grout, director ramirez is here.
[1:15:09] You can speak with our new
[1:15:12] deputy director, jordan barela,
[1:15:15] to speak to this specific
[1:15:17] contract.
[1:15:20] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[1:15:21] Councilor grout, the timing
[1:15:23] related to the home wise
[1:15:25] contract did take quite
[1:15:25] sometime.
[1:15:27] As I understand it from staff,
[1:15:29] the rfp was submitted in
[1:15:30] SEPTEMBER of 2023.
[1:15:31] Some of the issues pertain to
[1:15:33] the rfp review committee as far
[1:15:35] as the timing was concerned.
[1:15:39] This program is funded through
[1:15:42] our fund which requires members
[1:15:44] to be on the ad hoc committee.
[1:15:46] It was very difficult to get two
[1:15:48] members to go through the entire
[1:15:48] process.
[1:15:50] A few members had to change a
[1:15:52] couple times which stalled the
[1:15:54] reward.
[1:15:55] >>coun. Grout: thank you.
[1:15:58] I'm looking at a map of the
[1:16:00] pockets of poverty.
[1:16:03] Can that be expanded at all?
[1:16:05] It's very concentrated.
[1:16:07] I know there are other areas in
[1:16:08] the city that can benefit from
[1:16:08] this.
[1:16:11] How can we make that change?
[1:16:14] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[1:16:17] grout, to go back to the history
[1:16:19] of the program, it was initially
[1:16:21] funded through an urban
[1:16:22] development action grant that
[1:16:24] was provided by hud.
[1:16:25] At the time that grant, I
[1:16:26] believe it was awarded in the
[1:16:29] 80s, was provided for economic
[1:16:30] development activities.
[1:16:33] The loan proceeds were provided
[1:16:34] for the program.
[1:16:36] As I understand one of the
[1:16:38] requirements is the loan
[1:16:40] proceeds be used in the pocket
[1:16:42] of poverty which is why the
[1:16:43] ordinance is set up this way.
[1:16:45] In terms of whether that map can
[1:16:47] be readdressed at this point in
[1:16:50] time, that's a question that was
[1:16:51] brought to my attention.
[1:16:52] that's something we going to
[1:16:53] have to research to determine if
[1:16:55] those requirements are removed
[1:16:57] to make that change.
[1:16:58] >>coun. Grout: thank you.
[1:17:00] I personally would like to defer
[1:17:02] this ec a couple weeks and work
[1:17:04] on it to see what we can do if
[1:17:08] we need to make changes to the
[1:17:08] ordinance.
[1:17:12] I do believe there's more -- a
[1:17:14] broader area that could benefit
[1:17:14] from this.
[1:17:16] It's a great program.
[1:17:18] I'm all for it.
[1:17:21] I think the rfp went out three
[1:17:24] years ago, AUGUST 21st.
[1:17:25] That's three years.
[1:17:27] I don't think two weeks is going
[1:17:29] to hurt just to get a few more
[1:17:31] questions answered and possibly
[1:17:33] broaden the scope of where this
[1:17:35] would take us.
[1:17:36] >> councilor grout, I believe
[1:17:38] councilor rogers has a few
[1:17:38] questions.
[1:17:41] Your motion to defer and
[1:17:45] questions over it with councilor
[1:17:45] telles.
[1:17:47] Can it wait for questions?
[1:17:48] >>coun. Grout: sure.
[1:17:49] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MR.
[1:17:50] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.
[1:17:51] Thank you for being here.
[1:17:54] I have a lot of questions.
[1:17:56] I was very vocal about the last
[1:17:57] round of home renovation money
[1:17:58] that home wise got.
[1:18:01] They were responsible for doing
[1:18:03] low income areas, communities of
[1:18:04] color.
[1:18:05] They brought us data and helped
[1:18:08] nobody in the low income
[1:18:08] bracket.
[1:18:11] And the data was shoddy on who
[1:18:12] they actually helped.
[1:18:14] But it was clear it wasn't
[1:18:16] anyone in the low income bracket
[1:18:18] which is also what the grant
[1:18:18] requires.
[1:18:20] what are we putting in place
[1:18:21] this time if we're going to give
[1:18:22] them more money?
[1:18:25] Last time it was $3 million.
[1:18:29] I was a city employee working in
[1:18:30] inclusion and it took three
[1:18:32] years to get that money out and
[1:18:33] only because I became a city
[1:18:34] councilor and I asked what
[1:18:36] happened to this money.
[1:18:38] We found out at that time they
[1:18:40] still hadn't spent it all.
[1:18:41] And we're going to reward them
[1:18:45] with $2.8 million when they kept
[1:18:52] this in their accounts
[1:18:53] generating interest while
[1:18:54] thousands of people in
[1:18:55] albuquerque, especially seniors,
[1:18:59] who could not afford home
[1:19:02] renovations were not helped.
[1:19:03] What is the department going to
[1:19:05] do to make sure if we agree to
[1:19:08] give them 2.8
[1:19:11] $2.8 million more,
[1:19:12] which I don't think we should,
[1:19:17] what is the contingency plan to
[1:19:19] make sure they do what we expect
[1:19:20] quickly and it doesn't take
[1:19:22] three years to get this money
[1:19:22] out?
[1:19:24] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[1:19:26] rogers, within hhh and community
[1:19:27] development we have a compliance
[1:19:29] team and when it comes to this
[1:19:32] types of programs and the
[1:19:33] grantees of the programs.
[1:19:36] Hhh reserves to audit the files
[1:19:36] to determine anybody that
[1:19:39] received that funding income
[1:19:41] qualified and lived in a
[1:19:41] designated area.
[1:19:42] >>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[1:19:44] I hate to cut you off.
[1:19:45] Those contingency plans didn't
[1:19:48] work with the last $3 million
[1:19:50] you gave them.
[1:19:52] I know you're knew to the city.
[1:19:54] You shouldn't be speaking to
[1:19:56] this, let's switch places with
[1:19:58] director ramirez.
[1:20:01] director ramirez, you and I have
[1:20:03] gone round and round about home
[1:20:04] wise and this program.
[1:20:06] Your contingency plans didn't
[1:20:07] work last time.
[1:20:08] What are we going to do
[1:20:10] differently this time to make
[1:20:10] sure?
[1:20:13] Where is it in the contract?
[1:20:17] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[1:20:19] rogers, the initial awarding of
[1:20:23] the partnership with home
[1:20:25] wise -- and the applications
[1:20:25] now.
[1:20:27] Did we work hand and hand with
[1:20:29] home wise and they're here
[1:20:30] tonight as well, it was to be
[1:20:31] able to make sure that
[1:20:33] compliance was there and the
[1:20:34] structure was there and there
[1:20:35] was the ability to get that
[1:20:36] money out to the individuals
[1:20:37] that qualified for that
[1:20:38] particular program.
[1:20:42] As this funding comes to you all
[1:20:44] for approval and we move forward
[1:20:47] in that, those contingency
[1:20:47] ies
[1:20:50] will make sure the compliances
[1:20:52] happens and the individuals
[1:20:54] served meet the qualifications
[1:20:55] in the overview.
[1:20:56] >>coun. Rogers: it sounds like
[1:20:58] the same answer.
[1:21:01] What is different this time?
[1:21:03] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[1:21:04] rogers, I don't understand in
[1:21:05] regards to what you would like
[1:21:06] to see different.
[1:21:08] I'm hearing you're saying the
[1:21:09] compliance wasn't there.
[1:21:11] I don't believe that was --
[1:21:12] >>coun. Rogers: your department
[1:21:13] audited them, correct?
[1:21:15] >> the compliance for the
[1:21:17] previous funding allocation?
[1:21:19] Yes, the monitoring did happen.
[1:21:20] >>coun. Rogers: I heard from
[1:21:21] your previous director there was
[1:21:24] some issues with that, correct?
[1:21:26] with how quickly they got the
[1:21:28] money out and who were they
[1:21:31] expected to help?
[1:21:32] It was an issue.
[1:21:35] And now I'm asking as the
[1:21:37] steward of this money, your
[1:21:39] responsibility as the director
[1:21:40] of the department is to make
[1:21:43] sure who we give it to does the
[1:21:45] right thing with the dollars.
[1:21:47] If you can't speak to that, who
[1:21:51] from home wise can?
[1:21:54] Who is here from home wise?
[1:21:55] If your department -- thank you,
[1:21:56] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[1:21:57] If your department cannot tell
[1:21:59] me how we're going to make sure,
[1:22:01] I'd like to hear from the
[1:22:05] provider directly.
[1:22:08] Just for the public, I've been
[1:22:09] doing this with home wise for
[1:22:10] almost six years.
[1:22:14] It was first as a city employee
[1:22:16] and now as a councilor.
[1:22:17] Tell me your name.
[1:22:19] >> carl davis.
[1:22:20] >>coun. Rogers: how long have
[1:22:21] you been with home wise?
[1:22:22] >> seven years.
[1:22:24] >>coun. Rogers: awesome, tell me
[1:22:26] how we're going to make sure
[1:22:27] this money gets to the people
[1:22:31] it's intended to get to.
[1:22:32] It didn't happen in the last
[1:22:32] round.
[1:22:34] >> we have to take a minute.
[1:22:35] It did get to the people.
[1:22:38] The average income of the
[1:22:40] recipients was 26k a year.
[1:22:42] Everyone was below 80% ami.
[1:22:44] >>coun. Rogers: that is not the
[1:22:47] data we actually displayed
[1:22:49] publicly from your company.
[1:22:51] >> that is the data we provided
[1:22:53] ahead of this meeting.
[1:22:55] >>coun. Rogers: ahead of this
[1:22:57] meeting, but what was presented
[1:22:59] to this council publicly did not
[1:23:00] show that.
[1:23:02] I am am happy to send that to
[1:23:03] you.
[1:23:04] I know we have to move on.
[1:23:06] We have a lot of things.
[1:23:08] I don't want to belabor this
[1:23:09] point.
[1:23:10] We need to get on the same page.
[1:23:11] We have people suffering.
[1:23:14] We have an insurance crisis in
[1:23:15] this country where insurance
[1:23:17] companies are leaving homeowners
[1:23:18] with the bag.
[1:23:21] Holding the bag who have holes
[1:23:22] in their roof.
[1:23:24] Who have not working plumbing
[1:23:26] which home wise, thank you for
[1:23:28] helping one of the constituents
[1:23:30] I was able to call you and hold
[1:23:32] your feet to the fire to help
[1:23:33] someone in my district who
[1:23:34] needed your help.
[1:23:37] You went and above and beyond to
[1:23:40] help because a councilor called.
[1:23:41] I want us to work together as a
[1:23:43] team to make sure the people who
[1:23:44] needs this help gets the help
[1:23:45] they deserve.
[1:23:47] And that is extremely important.
[1:23:50] Back to director ramirez, how
[1:23:54] many rauntds -- respondents did
[1:23:56] we have for this rfp?
[1:23:57] >> one.
[1:23:58] >>coun. Rogers: and that's
[1:24:00] exactly the excuse you gave me
[1:24:00] last time.
[1:24:02] Which means your department did
[1:24:04] not do any recruitment.
[1:24:08] Can you tell me about your
[1:24:09] recruitment process for this?
[1:24:11] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[1:24:14] rogers, understanding that the
[1:24:18] agency we spoken to encourage to
[1:24:20] apply the capacity surpassed the
[1:24:21] city.
[1:24:22] We had the conversations with
[1:24:24] them to encouraging them to
[1:24:27] submit applications, in the end
[1:24:29] we had one respondent.
[1:24:32] >>coun. Rogers: guess what, I
[1:24:33] tried to recruit.
[1:24:34] They didn't want to do business
[1:24:35] with your department.
[1:24:37] That's the feedback I got from
[1:24:40] the companies I begged to
[1:24:41] respond to this.
[1:24:42] They don't want to do business
[1:24:44] with the city of albuquerque.
[1:24:45] We have to do better.
[1:24:47] I'm going to continue to say
[1:24:50] this to hhh, health, housing,
[1:24:51] and homelessness.
[1:24:52] That is your charge.
[1:24:54] Not ACSs.
[1:24:56] You have millions of dollars at
[1:24:58] your fingertips.
[1:25:01] We saw amazing outcomes from
[1:25:03] $380,000 from councilor
[1:25:06] bassan's -- did you see that
[1:25:07] data?
[1:25:11] $380 million, I can't get that
[1:25:13] data from your department to
[1:25:14] show impact and outcomes.
[1:25:16] My district, I'm done.
[1:25:18] I think that's the theme for
[1:25:18] today.
[1:25:20] I'm done living like this.
[1:25:21] I am done, done, done.
[1:25:22] We've got to get better.
[1:25:26] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[1:25:27] One more thing.
[1:25:30] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[1:25:31] To answer councilor grout's
[1:25:35] question about pockets of
[1:25:36] poverty, that is held for
[1:25:38] opportunity zones we just went
[1:25:39] through as a city, and thank you
[1:25:41] to secretary rob black for
[1:25:43] giving me and the city of
[1:25:45] albuquerque an extension.
[1:25:48] We almost missed that deadline,
[1:25:49] councilor grout, to identify new
[1:25:50] opportunity zones.
[1:25:52] That is how this map is taking
[1:25:54] care of through our census and
[1:25:57] opportunity zones.
[1:25:58] Thank goodness I know all about
[1:26:00] the census and how this works
[1:26:02] and was able to flag it go
[1:26:04] myself and get an extension from
[1:26:06] the state of new mexico because
[1:26:09] albuquerque missed the deadline.
[1:26:12] and thank goodness we got that
[1:26:13] extension and worked as a team
[1:26:14] with economic development to
[1:26:17] make sure we put in opportunity
[1:26:19] zones so the pockets of poverty
[1:26:21] can be extended to the other
[1:26:22] areas that need them.
[1:26:23] That's the process.
[1:26:25] We almost missed the boat.
[1:26:27] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[1:26:28] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor telles.
[1:26:29] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM
[1:26:31] PRESIDENT.
[1:26:34] Hello, director.
[1:26:38] Welcome to the
[1:26:45] circus of chaos.
[1:26:48] I wanted to visit the pockets of
[1:26:49] poverty matter here.
[1:26:52] From our ordinance, it doesn't
[1:26:53] come from opportunity zones.
[1:26:57] It was written into our city's
[1:26:57] ordinance.
[1:26:58] I don't know if you know this,
[1:27:00] so if you do, please indulge me
[1:27:03] for a minute because maybe other
[1:27:04] people don't.
[1:27:06] It was written into our city's
[1:27:10] code of ordinances back in 1987.
[1:27:11] Because we wanted to make sure
[1:27:15] we were in compliance with the
[1:27:15] udag.
[1:27:18] That's what you're following,
[1:27:18] correct?
[1:27:19] Okay.
[1:27:21] The udag no longer exists.
[1:27:26] It was terminated at the federal
[1:27:26] level.
[1:27:29] These funds, as far as I can
[1:27:30] find, haven't been included in
[1:27:32] the cfa for years.
[1:27:34] It's not listed as an active
[1:27:38] federal award.
[1:27:41] So, are you treating these loan
[1:27:43] repayments in that projects fund
[1:27:45] as a permanent condition that
[1:27:47] was tied to those specific
[1:27:49] parameters of pockets of
[1:27:53] poverty?
[1:27:55] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[1:27:56] telles, no.
[1:27:57] not in relation to trying it
[1:27:59] into the original grant
[1:28:00] agreements, but in relation to
[1:28:04] trying it into the ordinance.
[1:28:05] >>coun. Telles: right.
[1:28:08] Then, we need to do some work on
[1:28:09] the council.
[1:28:10] Our job now -- we're going to
[1:28:13] have to update that ordinance
[1:28:14] and amend it.
[1:28:18] Because we can't just
[1:28:20] unilaterally extend it outside
[1:28:22] of the pockets of poverty, which
[1:28:24] is an 11-mile area.
[1:28:27] How long have those funds been
[1:28:30] sitting in that fund 277?
[1:28:31] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[1:28:33] telles, I don't know exactly,
[1:28:34] but quite sometime.
[1:28:36] >>coun. Telles: yeah, like 40
[1:28:36] years.
[1:28:38] Those funds have been sitting in
[1:28:43] that fund for 40 years.
[1:28:45] It's all been based off of these
[1:28:51] pockets of poverty under a
[1:28:52] definition that hasn't existed
[1:28:55] since 1988.
[1:28:59] So, we need to -- but, we can't
[1:29:00] actually do that until we have
[1:29:03] answers to a couple of things.
[1:29:07] And it requires us to know if
[1:29:11] there is a permanent condition
[1:29:15] in that original udag
[1:29:17] requirement that tied to the
[1:29:20] loan repayment.
[1:29:23] While we can amend that
[1:29:26] ordinance, we can't until we
[1:29:26] know that.
[1:29:29] I had a good conversation with
[1:29:32] MS. Montoya from your office
[1:29:33] earlier today.
[1:29:35] She did send me some really good
[1:29:35] information.
[1:29:36] But I'm really glad that
[1:29:37] councilor grout pulled this
[1:29:39] because we definitely need to
[1:29:42] defer this until we can know
[1:29:43] what those original grant
[1:29:45] parameters were.
[1:29:47] Because we just -- you know, we
[1:29:49] can either -- there's two things
[1:29:51] that can happen.
[1:29:54] We're just stuck within this
[1:29:57] 11-mile restriction that was
[1:30:00] created in 1987, or we can
[1:30:04] expand it to other pockets of
[1:30:05] poverty that exist in the city
[1:30:07] that really, really needs this
[1:30:07] money.
[1:30:12] And that really -- to councilor
[1:30:22] rogers's point, to extend these
[1:30:24] opportunities -- when I was in
[1:30:27] school, when I was 14 or 15
[1:30:30] years old, my family benefitted
[1:30:32] from a rehabilitation program by
[1:30:34] the city.
[1:30:37] This was in las cruces, but it
[1:30:38] made a huge difference.
[1:30:41] We were literally sleeping on
[1:30:43] our concrete floors in our
[1:30:44] house.
[1:30:52] We had to shove napkins in the
[1:30:55] corners of our houses because it
[1:30:57] would get cold.
[1:30:59] It was just -- these type of
[1:31:02] programs are so incredibly
[1:31:04] important and they make it such
[1:31:05] a huge difference that we should
[1:31:09] not be restricting them to
[1:31:12] certain zones when that poverty
[1:31:15] exists throughout the city.
[1:31:19] I do need to -- before we can do
[1:31:22] anything, we have to find out if
[1:31:27] there is any sort of permanent
[1:31:30] condition tied to loan
[1:31:30] repayments.
[1:31:36] It MAY be worth requesting our
[1:31:38] ITAs to extend our scope and
[1:31:40] test that and see if they can
[1:31:43] find that information for us.
[1:31:46] MS. Sandoval, that might be an
[1:31:47] option because this is going to
[1:31:53] go pretty far back into cfa
[1:31:53] items.
[1:31:56] I don't think it's been on -- I
[1:32:03] haven't seen it since the fy24
[1:32:04] acfr.
[1:32:07] I think it came up in, maybe,
[1:32:08] 2008.
[1:32:12] But the historical documents
[1:32:15] aren't very there for us.
[1:32:17] Yeah, I would appreciate if we
[1:32:20] could find that information out
[1:32:23] because otherwise we're
[1:32:26] unfortunately stuck with that
[1:32:32] 11-mile area for this particular
[1:32:33] money.
[1:32:36] Thank you.
[1:32:38] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[1:32:40] Just a couple questions related
[1:32:41] to this.
[1:32:44] This is the home wise that does
[1:32:46] rehabilitation for the houses,
[1:32:47] right?
[1:32:48] Am I correct?
[1:32:49] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, that's
[1:32:49] correct.
[1:32:53] >>coun. Pe}a: that's what where
[1:32:53] a
[1:32:55] -- that's what I assumed it
[1:32:55] was.
[1:32:57] Hearing some of the concerns, I
[1:32:58] think they should probably look
[1:33:02] at, you know, we should always
[1:33:04] revisiting -- we should revisit
[1:33:06] fees and whether we have tax
[1:33:07] increase for revenue.
[1:33:09] We should revisit how we fund
[1:33:11] some of our social service
[1:33:12] grant.
[1:33:13] I think all those things are
[1:33:14] important.
[1:33:16] I'll just say that I think my
[1:33:20] opinion differs a little.
[1:33:21] I just don't want the public to
[1:33:23] think everyone on the council,
[1:33:25] but I'm speaking for myself, put
[1:33:27] it came across that everybody on
[1:33:28] the council feels this way.
[1:33:30] I just want you all to know just
[1:33:32] a few short years ago, I'm not
[1:33:36] sure who was on council then,
[1:33:40] maybe councilor bassan and maybe
[1:33:41] councilor lewis, but we were
[1:33:43] using most of this money --
[1:33:45] correct me if I'm wrong, we were
[1:33:47] using most of this money for
[1:33:48] affordable housing.
[1:33:50] We were stockpiling affordable
[1:33:51] housing dollars.
[1:33:52] and we were not being able to
[1:33:55] get many of those affordable
[1:33:57] housing dollars out the door.
[1:34:00] I did an amendment one year -- I
[1:34:02] think councilor fiebelkorn was
[1:34:05] here -- I did an amendment one
[1:34:06] here to actually take out that
[1:34:11] $3 million for housing
[1:34:12] rehabilitation.
[1:34:13] I think councilor baca later
[1:34:17] renamed it a name -- gave it a
[1:34:17] name.
[1:34:20] Just a few short years ago,
[1:34:21] whether home wise is the only
[1:34:24] recipient who responded or not,
[1:34:27] we were not doing home
[1:34:28] rehabilitation in our city.
[1:34:30] We have so many seniors and
[1:34:35] houses are delpidated, yet we
[1:34:40] take both -- eventually, they
[1:34:44] have their resources to be able
[1:34:48] to rehabilitation their houses.
[1:34:50] And we vote here on this dais to
[1:34:53] condemn that house, knock that
[1:34:55] house down.
[1:34:56] On principle, it's something
[1:34:59] that's needed to be done, but on
[1:35:01] principle, I've never voted for
[1:35:03] those because I said I won't
[1:35:05] vote for those until we have a
[1:35:09] program that helps with housing
[1:35:09] rehabilitation.
[1:35:11] Just carving out that $3
[1:35:13] million, which I think we should
[1:35:15] give this money to home wise and
[1:35:17] we should carve out another six
[1:35:19] or seven million dollars to do
[1:35:20] this because our housing
[1:35:22] stock -- if we're talking about
[1:35:24] housing first and keeping people
[1:35:26] in their houses we need to help
[1:35:27] those in the neighborhoods and
[1:35:30] people who can't afford to make
[1:35:34] those necessary repairs.
[1:35:37] I met with home wise, I talked
[1:35:39] to them about they've done with
[1:35:42] the resources.
[1:35:43] Unfortunately, the resources
[1:35:46] don't go as far as we would
[1:35:46] like.
[1:35:52] i know they ended up helping 60
[1:35:56] homeowners, but -- 58?
[1:35:57] I know it was about 58 for the
[1:35:59] $3 million.
[1:36:01] I would hope that our department
[1:36:03] can look at how we get the best
[1:36:07] bang for the dollar in terms of
[1:36:11] $2.8 million for 60 homes, even
[1:36:12] though there's all the costs
[1:36:14] that's associated with it.
[1:36:15] They have administrative cost
[1:36:17] and utility cost and everything
[1:36:20] is partially factored into this.
[1:36:23] And as we bring these back in
[1:36:25] house like we used to have the
[1:36:27] housing, right, which I'm for
[1:36:31] those kinds of things, but as
[1:36:35] far as I know home wise has done
[1:36:36] a decent job.
[1:36:37] I think you guys have to do do
[1:36:40] the checks and balances to make
[1:36:41] sure for that.
[1:36:43] But I really think that this is
[1:36:47] just a drop in the bucket.
[1:36:50] In reality, $2.8 million can
[1:36:54] only help 60 homes, we have to
[1:36:55] do better.
[1:36:56] 68 homes.
[1:36:57] We were all wrong.
[1:37:00] It was 68 homes.
[1:37:03] Just to say that, I'm not going
[1:37:06] to vote for the deferral.
[1:37:09] I do think when we're talking
[1:37:11] about some of these things, even
[1:37:12] budgetary how we need these
[1:37:14] things and how we need housing
[1:37:15] rehabilitation and we need it in
[1:37:18] more pockets of poverty and as
[1:37:20] you can see the frustration from
[1:37:22] some councilors here talking
[1:37:24] about it they want it in their
[1:37:26] area as well, this is a new
[1:37:27] program that just started a few
[1:37:28] years ago.
[1:37:30] And the demand out there is so
[1:37:34] high that we're a little bit
[1:37:35] behind the eight ball.
[1:37:37] I hope when we talk about the
[1:37:38] budget, we do that.
[1:37:39] And when we talk about
[1:37:41] affordable housing dollars, I
[1:37:44] know it helps the bigger cause,
[1:37:46] but putting everything just into
[1:37:49] affordable housing doesn't
[1:37:51] address our neighbors in our
[1:37:52] community.
[1:37:55] With that, I will go to
[1:37:57] councilor grout for her main
[1:37:57] motion.
[1:37:59] >>coun. Grout: I would like to
[1:38:01] defer it for two weeks so we can
[1:38:06] have a little bit more offline
[1:38:09] conversations and plan going
[1:38:09] forward.
[1:38:10] I think it's great program.
[1:38:11] I'm all for it.
[1:38:15] But I have some questions.
[1:38:16] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[1:38:20] and a second for a two-week
[1:38:21] deferral.
[1:38:22] [Roll call].
[1:38:23] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[1:38:25] >>coun. Bassan: no.
[1:38:26] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[1:38:28] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[1:38:30] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[1:38:32] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[1:38:35] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[1:38:37] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[1:38:37] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[1:38:41] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.
[1:38:42] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[1:38:43] We're now on announcements,
[1:38:47] which is item 9.
[1:38:49] Councilor lewis.
[1:38:51] >>coun. Lewis: one second.
[1:38:52] There will be a finance
[1:38:53] government operations committee
[1:38:56] meeting on monday, AUGUST 10,
[1:38:57] 5:00 P.M. In city council
[1:38:59] committee room, ninth floor
[1:39:03] suite 9003 city of albuquerque
[1:39:04] government center.
[1:39:05] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor bassan.
[1:39:06] >>coun. Bassan: there will be an
[1:39:07] intergovernmental legislative
[1:39:09] relations committee meeting on
[1:39:11] wednesday, AUGUST 5th at 3:00
[1:39:12] P.M. Via zoom.
[1:39:13] And there's a land use planning
[1:39:15] zoning committee meeting on
[1:39:18] wednesday, AUGUST 12th at 5:00
[1:39:19] P.M. In the vincent e. Griego
[1:39:20] chambers basement level of the
[1:39:21] albuquerque government center.
[1:39:23] This will be a hybrid meeting.
[1:39:25] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you,
[1:39:27] councilor bassan, for those two
[1:39:28] announcements.
[1:39:34] It is now 7:05.
[1:39:34] I apologize.
[1:39:35] Councilor rogers.
[1:39:36] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[1:39:36] PRESIDENT.
[1:39:38] I just wanted to announce we
[1:39:40] have national night out tomorrow
[1:39:41] across the city.
[1:39:45] If you google cabq national
[1:39:47] night out you can find one at a
[1:39:48] park or somewhere near you.
[1:39:51] I think we have over 40 events
[1:39:54] across the entire city.
[1:39:55] Me and councilor baca compete
[1:39:57] for who has more.
[1:40:00] I think he has beat me by one.
[1:40:04] District six has seven events to
[1:40:05] join us.
[1:40:07] All the council districts.
[1:40:09] I encourage everybody to come
[1:40:09] out.
[1:40:11] This is about engaging in a
[1:40:13] different way with our
[1:40:15] neighbors, with each other,
[1:40:17] neighborhood associations, city
[1:40:18] leaders.
[1:40:20] All of us I'm sure are making
[1:40:21] the rounds.
[1:40:26] I know directors are getting
[1:40:26] assigned.
[1:40:27] It's really one of my favorite
[1:40:29] times to humanize each other to
[1:40:30] each other.
[1:40:32] We're all in this albuquerque
[1:40:33] together.
[1:40:34] And national night out is a
[1:40:37] really good time for us to break
[1:40:38] bread together.
[1:40:41] I'm hosting one at daniel
[1:40:43] webster park.
[1:40:45] We have taco tuesday happening.
[1:40:49] and we have rockin' rob and dj's
[1:40:52] spinning the ones and twos.
[1:40:53] I encourage everyone to come on
[1:40:55] out and find one near you.
[1:40:56] Let's fellowship together.
[1:40:58] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[1:41:00] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you,
[1:41:01] councilor rogers.
[1:41:04] Now, it is 7:08.
[1:41:06] We are going to take a dinner
[1:41:07] break.
[1:41:09] We'll return at 7:40.
[1:41:15] >>coun. Pe}a: okay, everyone.
[1:41:18] We're back in session.
[1:41:23] We're now on item 10, financial
[1:41:24] instruments.
[1:41:25] This is councilor baca by
[1:41:29] request.
[1:41:29] O-38.
[1:41:36] Councilor baca.
[1:41:38] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM
[1:41:39] PRESIDENT.
[1:41:40] O-38, authorizing the issuance
[1:41:42] and sale of the albuquerque, new
[1:41:45] mexico, taxable industrial
[1:41:47] revenue bond sawmill hotel
[1:41:50] projects series 2026 in the
[1:41:54] principle amount of $40.2
[1:41:57] million to construct improve the
[1:42:02] sawmill dream catcher hotel and
[1:42:05] hampton suites with 130 guest
[1:42:05] rooms.
[1:42:07] I guess we open it up to public
[1:42:07] comment.
[1:42:10] >>coun. Pe}a: was that a motion?
[1:42:25] You need to make a motion.
[1:42:28] There's a motion, and a second
[1:42:29] by councilor fiebelkorn for do
[1:42:34] pass of o-38.
[1:42:35] Councilor baca to open.
[1:42:37] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM
[1:42:37] PRESIDENT.
[1:42:38] I think I'd like to start with
[1:42:41] public comment on this one.
[1:42:42] Everybody has been waiting.
[1:42:46] We have quite a few people.
[1:42:47] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[1:42:50] Call our first speaker, garret.
[1:42:51] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[1:42:54] Our first speaker is senator
[1:43:05] o'malley followed by lisa.
[1:43:10] >> MADAM Chair, I do have a
[1:43:13] handout just so you can get a
[1:43:15] sense of the -- you know, it's a
[1:43:18] very primitive drawing, but it
[1:43:24] gives you a sense of where we're
[1:43:25] talking about.
[1:43:27] Good evening, MADAM PRESIDENT,
[1:43:28] councilors, I'm debbie o'malley.
[1:43:31] I serve as advisor to the board
[1:43:33] of directors for the sawmill
[1:43:34] land trust.
[1:43:35] I do want to say I appreciate
[1:43:38] you have taken our concerns into
[1:43:39] consideration regarding the irb
[1:43:42] for hotel in the sawmill
[1:43:42] district.
[1:43:46] I did get a call from the
[1:43:48] developer on thursday.
[1:43:52] I met with him that afternoon.
[1:43:54] He said he wants to move forward
[1:43:55] with five stories.
[1:43:58] That is the model he based his
[1:43:59] model on.
[1:44:02] Any change to the model would
[1:44:03] require he reevaluate whether
[1:44:05] that project is feasible.
[1:44:06] That's what happens when you do
[1:44:07] development.
[1:44:08] In particular, we do a private
[1:44:09] development and you're asking
[1:44:12] for tax subsidies.
[1:44:14] It's not a static thing.
[1:44:17] You have to revise it because of
[1:44:17] changes.
[1:44:19] That argument could be made that
[1:44:20] feasibility is placed on a
[1:44:22] number of units.
[1:44:24] We're not suggesting that he
[1:44:25] reduce the number of rooms,
[1:44:27] we're just suggesting the height
[1:44:30] standards listed in mx-m be
[1:44:30] followed.
[1:44:32] He also stated he would not put
[1:44:34] windows on the side of the
[1:44:35] hotels so the people could not
[1:44:38] look into people's yards.
[1:44:42] Since it would be next to single
[1:44:44] family housing.
[1:44:50] That would be pretty weird.
[1:44:52] he also said he was approved for
[1:44:54] variance of a building for 60
[1:44:55] feet.
[1:44:57] Assuming this is true, he would
[1:44:59] have a variance for up to 60
[1:44:59] feet.
[1:45:01] This is not a requirement he
[1:45:03] build to 60 feet.
[1:45:10] This council has a right to
[1:45:11] lower the irb.
[1:45:15] If it's the council's wish to
[1:45:17] approve, we wish the restriction
[1:45:20] for height and traffic for exit
[1:45:23] and entering the development be
[1:45:23] supported.
[1:45:27] Thank you so much.
[1:45:33] >> lisa followed by michael.
[1:45:34] >> hello.
[1:45:36] It's been a while.
[1:45:38] Thank you so very much.
[1:45:40] I'm here on behalf of new mexico
[1:45:41] stronger together coalition.
[1:45:42] As the founder.
[1:45:45] Speaking to o-26-38, we
[1:45:49] recognize that we are in need of
[1:45:51] businesses and hotels and places
[1:45:53] for people to stay when they
[1:45:55] come and visit.
[1:45:57] What we have been looking at and
[1:45:59] for myself individually I very
[1:46:00] much appreciate the patience
[1:46:02] we've had.
[1:46:04] And not ramrodding things and
[1:46:06] taking the time and listening to
[1:46:07] community.
[1:46:09] The reality is you can make a
[1:46:11] hotel and force one to be there,
[1:46:12] that doesn't mean the community
[1:46:14] is going to accept it or
[1:46:14] partner.
[1:46:16] I would encourage us to go at
[1:46:18] the pace of the community that
[1:46:19] lives there.
[1:46:20] That doesn't mean you can't get
[1:46:23] a hotel, I'm just asking -- and
[1:46:25] thank you to the developers and
[1:46:27] listening and partnering with
[1:46:27] our community.
[1:46:29] Our goal going forward is we
[1:46:33] don't have to be at odds for tax
[1:46:34] subsidies.
[1:46:36] But we can do this together.
[1:46:37] Community is not opposed to
[1:46:38] development, just include us.
[1:46:41] Please.
[1:46:56] >> michael followed by austin.
[1:47:09] Austin followed by peat.
[1:47:11] >> I've never done formal
[1:47:12] speaking.
[1:47:13] Deal with me.
[1:47:15] I'm a new mexico native, born
[1:47:17] and raised in the north valley.
[1:47:23] I went to st. Pious and went to
[1:47:23] unm.
[1:47:25] I wanted to get off it the
[1:47:28] sidelines and be proactive on
[1:47:30] voicing my opinion in the
[1:47:31] community.
[1:47:34] I'm in support of the new hotel
[1:47:38] in the sawmill district.
[1:47:40] After looking into a night for
[1:47:42] special occasion and closer
[1:47:45] hotels in the area, it ranges
[1:47:52] from ch a -- chaco at $477.
[1:47:55] It's not doable for somebody
[1:47:55] like me.
[1:47:59] A nice likeally mid-range priced
[1:48:01] hotel with walking distance and
[1:48:05] the restaurant and old town and
[1:48:05] dpal
[1:48:08] galleries and museums, I think
[1:48:09] it would be help with traffic.
[1:48:14] More walking and people doing
[1:48:14] that.
[1:48:15] That's all I have.
[1:48:18] Hopefully that's enough.
[1:48:19] I think it would be a great
[1:48:20] addition.
[1:48:22] Thank you so much for your time.
[1:48:33] >> pete followed by tod.
[1:48:36] >> I am the manager of plaza don
[1:48:40] luiz and I own the taproom and
[1:48:41] live in old town.
[1:48:43] I retired from the state police
[1:48:45] in 2019 as the chief.
[1:48:47] I know about crime and what goes
[1:48:48] on in the area.
[1:48:50] I support the development.
[1:48:52] I think it's difficult for new
[1:48:53] construction projects in old
[1:48:53] town.
[1:48:56] This is as close aswe're going
[1:48:59] to get.
[1:49:00] The developers decided not to
[1:49:01] include a bar or restaurant,
[1:49:02] which is great.
[1:49:04] Because where are those folks
[1:49:06] going that are staying there?
[1:49:08] They're going to old town and
[1:49:10] sawmill and visit the local
[1:49:10] establishments.
[1:49:12] I think it offers an affordable
[1:49:14] place for the average tourist to
[1:49:16] stay when they come to downtown
[1:49:17] and old town which is great for
[1:49:18] the community.
[1:49:19] Creates some good jobs too.
[1:49:24] For the irb, I feel it should be
[1:49:25] extended to anyone as it has
[1:49:27] been for other entities.
[1:49:29] I fully support it.
[1:49:29] Thank you.
[1:49:33] >> haily followed by tom.
[1:49:37] >> hello, MADAM PRESIDENT,
[1:49:37] councilors.
[1:49:39] I am here to express my support
[1:49:41] for the industrial revenue bond.
[1:49:44] My first point is that this
[1:49:47] hotel will befality
[1:49:50] nefit albuquerque.
[1:49:53] It strengthen's albuquerque's
[1:49:56] ability to compete with houston
[1:49:57] and phoenix.
[1:50:00] Meeting planners consider many
[1:50:03] factors when considering
[1:50:05] destinations including
[1:50:06] availability of programs.
[1:50:09] We want to become part of the
[1:50:10] community and create meaningful
[1:50:12] long-term careers for residents.
[1:50:15] Sun capital hotels has a
[1:50:16] leadership development program
[1:50:18] available to every employee not
[1:50:19] just a select few.
[1:50:20] And an employee's current
[1:50:23] position does not determine how
[1:50:25] they can -- a person can begin
[1:50:27] in housekeeping, maintenance or
[1:50:29] front desk and development into
[1:50:30] a supervisor department head or
[1:50:31] general manager.
[1:50:33] For these reasons, I
[1:50:34] respectfully ask you to support
[1:50:36] this irb and thank you for your
[1:50:42] consideration.
[1:50:45] >> dina followed by aaron.
[1:50:48] >> good evening, everybody.
[1:50:52] I'm the general manager of
[1:50:54] albuquerque uptown.
[1:50:56] I've been -- I spent over 17
[1:50:58] years in the hospitality
[1:50:58] industry.
[1:51:00] I'm in support of improving the
[1:51:02] irb for the project.
[1:51:04] I understand concerns about
[1:51:07] traffic and architecture and
[1:51:11] bringing a hillton bran into old
[1:51:11] town.
[1:51:13] It will be locally owned and
[1:51:15] operated and create local jobs
[1:51:16] while generating tax revenue
[1:51:18] that stays in the community.
[1:51:20] Most importantly, hotels don't
[1:51:22] just serve tourists, they serve
[1:51:23] neighbors.
[1:51:26] Every year, families are
[1:51:28] displaced because of house
[1:51:33] fires, flooding, mold and other
[1:51:33] emergencies.
[1:51:35] Most homeowners insurance
[1:51:37] include coverage for temporary
[1:51:39] hotel stays when a home is no
[1:51:40] longer safe.
[1:51:43] Allowing families to stay close
[1:51:44] door communities.
[1:51:47] Throughout my career I've seen
[1:51:49] them stay with us for weeks and
[1:51:51] months while they put their
[1:51:52] lives back together.
[1:51:54] Having quality affordable hotels
[1:51:56] means our residents have a safe
[1:51:58] place to go during some of the
[1:51:59] most difficult times in their
[1:51:59] life.
[1:52:01] These hotels will also provide
[1:52:05] an affordable option for local
[1:52:07] families, hosting out of town
[1:52:07] visitors.
[1:52:08] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[1:52:10] Your time is up.
[1:52:15] >> aaron followed by bernice.
[1:52:16] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,
[1:52:18] thank you for having us here
[1:52:19] tonight.
[1:52:20] Sun capital hotels changed the
[1:52:22] path of my career by believing
[1:52:23] in me and giving me the
[1:52:27] opportunity to become a general
[1:52:27] manager.
[1:52:29] They saw the skills I already
[1:52:31] had and invested in my potential
[1:52:32] and trusted me to take the
[1:52:34] challenge to help me grow in
[1:52:37] ways I never imagined.
[1:52:38] Though this opportunity --
[1:52:39] through this opportunity, I
[1:52:40] learned how to solve new
[1:52:43] construction and pre-opening
[1:52:44] challenges.
[1:52:46] Train and develop employees, and
[1:52:47] set up new business for
[1:52:48] long-term success.
[1:52:50] Most importantly, I was able to
[1:52:53] help others by hiring a local
[1:52:54] team, building strong company
[1:52:57] culture and developing future
[1:52:59] leaders with sun capital hotels.
[1:53:00] This experience shows me that
[1:53:03] sun capital hotels truly einvest
[1:53:05] in people, promotes from within
[1:53:07] and prepares team members for
[1:53:09] successful leadership
[1:53:09] opportunities.
[1:53:11] I am grateful for the trust they
[1:53:13] placed in me because not only
[1:53:15] did it change my career, degave
[1:53:17] me the chance to help shape
[1:53:18] career for others.
[1:53:20] Thank you.
[1:53:24] >> bernice followed by robert.
[1:53:28] >> good evening, PRESIDENT,
[1:53:29] councilors.
[1:53:35] I live in the -- I am the
[1:53:37] executive housekeeper there.
[1:53:40] Throughout my career, I assist
[1:53:42] with the leadership development
[1:53:46] program at sun capitals program.
[1:53:48] I have experienced significant
[1:53:50] personal and professional growth
[1:53:52] as I have developed I also
[1:53:54] remain committed to supporting
[1:53:56] the growth of and success to
[1:53:58] supporting the growth in success
[1:54:01] to others by encouraging
[1:54:02] opportunities.
[1:54:04] I believe these new projects
[1:54:06] represents an exceptional
[1:54:11] opportunity not only for the
[1:54:12] companies expansion, but also
[1:54:14] for the professional development
[1:54:18] for our employees.
[1:54:19] It would create new career
[1:54:21] paths, strengthen our workforce
[1:54:23] and provide meaningful
[1:54:24] employment opportunities for
[1:54:28] members of our community.
[1:54:31] Thank you.
[1:54:36] >> robert followed by adrian.
[1:54:37] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, fellow
[1:54:39] council members.
[1:54:44] I am the general manager of
[1:54:45] fairfield inn.
[1:54:47] I grew up near central avenue
[1:54:48] near old town.
[1:54:50] I am proud to call albuquerque
[1:54:51] home.
[1:54:53] I worked in hospitality for 18
[1:54:54] years.
[1:54:56] Starting in housekeeping and
[1:54:58] working my way up through the
[1:54:58] ranks.
[1:55:01] Before joining sun capital
[1:55:02] hotels I held leadership
[1:55:04] positions and they gave me the
[1:55:05] opportunity to grow in my
[1:55:08] current role as general manager.
[1:55:10] Sun capital believes in
[1:55:12] investing in people and the
[1:55:14] opportunity to attend
[1:55:14] conferences.
[1:55:17] I was given the tools to grow
[1:55:18] professionally and personally.
[1:55:20] Today, I have the privilege of
[1:55:21] paying that forward.
[1:55:23] I mentor and development
[1:55:24] employees.
[1:55:25] I am proud to say two of my
[1:55:26] associates completed leadership
[1:55:28] programs and managed departments
[1:55:29] of their own.
[1:55:31] started from breakfast and now
[1:55:33] are front office manager and
[1:55:35] house keepers.
[1:55:37] I built strong relationship with
[1:55:38] local businesses especially
[1:55:40] restaurants and I hope you guys
[1:55:47] support this.
[1:55:53] >> adrian followed by consuela.
[1:55:56] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,
[1:55:58] I've spoken on behalf of this
[1:55:58] before.
[1:56:00] I'm asking you to protect the
[1:56:01] sawmill district.
[1:56:03] How I thought I could express my
[1:56:06] thoughts in a one-minute session
[1:56:10] in front of you is best
[1:56:12] illustrated by a koat channel 7
[1:56:16] investigation that was done JUNE
[1:56:17] 13th of this year.
[1:56:19] The headline reads, albuquerque
[1:56:22] hotels denied booking to local
[1:56:22] residents.
[1:56:28] Two hilton inn expresses have
[1:56:29] policies prohibiting local
[1:56:31] residents from booking rooms.
[1:56:34] With one citing concerns about
[1:56:35] unsavory activity.
[1:56:37] I can't read the whole article
[1:56:37] to you.
[1:56:38] What I'm asking you to do is
[1:56:40] protect the sawmill district.
[1:56:43] A limited service hotel in the
[1:56:46] most culturally sensitive
[1:56:47] district in the city that we've
[1:56:49] worked so hard for the last 25
[1:56:51] years to cure at something
[1:56:52] special in the district with old
[1:56:55] town and sawmill does not need
[1:56:55] this.
[1:56:58] Thank you very much for your
[1:56:58] consideration.
[1:57:04] >> consuela followed by viola.
[1:57:09] >> good afternoon.
[1:57:11] Evening, actually, already.
[1:57:13] I am a general manager for the
[1:57:15] sun capital honechlz I
[1:57:18] hotels.
[1:57:20] Sun capital is one of the most
[1:57:22] caring companies I ever worked
[1:57:22] for.
[1:57:24] not only do their care about our
[1:57:25] team members but they care about
[1:57:26] our beautiful city.
[1:57:28] We volunteer in our community,
[1:57:30] purchase school supplies for our
[1:57:31] team member's children.
[1:57:33] We purchase turkeys and hams for
[1:57:37] our team members over the the
[1:57:37] holidays.
[1:57:39] That's just a few things we do.
[1:57:42] I worked at a hotel previously
[1:57:44] owned by sun capital that was
[1:57:45] sold to a different owner.
[1:57:50] When the sale occurred, dapesh
[1:57:52] gave me the opportunity to stay
[1:57:54] with the same hotel or move to
[1:57:56] another hotel within the sun
[1:57:57] capital company.
[1:58:00] At the time I chose to stay at
[1:58:02] the hotel, I realized my home
[1:58:03] was with sun capital.
[1:58:05] He welcomed me back as a general
[1:58:12] manager of an hilton hotel.
[1:58:14] Hilton is not only a huge brand,
[1:58:16] but sun capital is a local
[1:58:20] company who takes pride and is
[1:58:22] proud to be part of the city of
[1:58:23] albuquerque.
[1:58:27] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[1:58:38] >> viola followed by david.
[1:58:39] >> good evening, MADAM
[1:58:42] PRESIDENT, city councilors.
[1:58:44] I am PRESIDENT Of the sawmill
[1:58:45] land trust.
[1:58:47] At the last meeting we all spoke
[1:58:48] about the fact that the traffic
[1:58:50] is becoming a worse problem in
[1:58:52] the sawmill district.
[1:58:54] And this five story hotel would
[1:58:56] increase traffic along 18th
[1:58:57] street.
[1:58:58] The developers said at that time
[1:59:00] the traffic would be less than
[1:59:02] that of an office building and
[1:59:04] he did not have to get a traffic
[1:59:05] study.
[1:59:07] Maybe not for an irb, but likely
[1:59:10] for a building permit.
[1:59:12] The fact is 18th street is not
[1:59:14] an arterial street that can
[1:59:16] carry a lot of vehicle traffic.
[1:59:19] It is a street where pedestrian
[1:59:23] traffic, bicycle traffic is
[1:59:23] paramount.
[1:59:25] For these reasons, we ask our
[1:59:26] councilors to move amendments
[1:59:28] forward for traffic and height
[1:59:31] as condition of approval for the
[1:59:31] irb.
[1:59:34] It is important we get it right
[1:59:35] at this area that we consider
[1:59:41] the adjacent land use and design
[1:59:42] and neighborhood character.
[1:59:44] Thank you so much for your time.
[1:59:51] >> david, followed by orlando.
[1:59:53] >> I don't know if this camera
[1:59:57] can focus on this.
[2:00:04] Can it focus on that?
[2:00:06] I'm PRESIDENT Of the sawmill
[2:00:08] area neighborhood association.
[2:00:10] And we are not opposed to the
[2:00:11] development.
[2:00:13] We think the idea of the hotel
[2:00:14] is great.
[2:00:17] I like the idea of the
[2:00:18] mid-priced hotel.
[2:00:20] But we're against the five
[2:00:20] stories.
[2:00:21] Three stories would be good.
[2:00:25] Four stories, ehh, five stories
[2:00:28] is the sort of thing that gets
[2:00:30] the neighborhood association
[2:00:30] irritated.
[2:00:31] I think the council needs to
[2:00:32] take that into account.
[2:00:34] If you look at this map, it's
[2:00:39] part of the packet you got
[2:00:40] originally, the red dot is where
[2:00:42] the hotel is, what you'll note
[2:00:44] is on this proposal they cut all
[2:00:44] the neighborhood away.
[2:00:46] All you have here is industrial
[2:00:46] stuff.
[2:00:48] You have the apartments in this
[2:00:49] area.
[2:00:51] But the rest of it is not where
[2:00:53] folks live, most of the time.
[2:00:54] Where the folks live is to the
[2:00:56] east of that.
[2:00:58] That will be impacted by a
[2:01:01] five-story building.
[2:01:03] I think that's a bit of the
[2:01:05] metaphor for the procedure that
[2:01:08] has gone on for this which is
[2:01:10] worried about grt.
[2:01:12] We need to worry about the
[2:01:12] neighbors.
[2:01:13] For this reason, we're opposed
[2:01:17] to a five-story building.
[2:01:19] We're not opposed to a hotel.
[2:01:24] >> orlando, followed by shaun on
[2:01:25] zoom.
[2:01:26] >> good evening, MADAM
[2:01:27] PRESIDENT, councilors.
[2:01:28] I'm the executive director of
[2:01:30] the sawmill community land
[2:01:30] trust.
[2:01:34] I attended the meeting, the
[2:01:37] communication consultant had.
[2:01:40] As we mentioned at the last
[2:01:42] meeting the land trust is
[2:01:44] gearing up to the plan
[2:01:47] repairening parcel.
[2:01:49] Our effort include a traffic
[2:01:49] study.
[2:01:50] We appreciate the councilor
[2:01:51] support for the effort.
[2:01:52] Developments that exceed two
[2:01:54] stories comply with the mxm none
[2:01:57] of which exceed the maximum
[2:01:59] height called out in the zon,
[2:02:00] that's because the development
[2:02:03] abuts a single family
[2:02:04] subdivision.
[2:02:05] We're asking the developers
[2:02:06] consider the effort that height
[2:02:08] and traffic on the existing
[2:02:08] community.
[2:02:10] This proposed hotel abuts an
[2:02:12] older single family
[2:02:12] neighborhood.
[2:02:15] What is being proposed is a five
[2:02:19] story boss, how is that
[2:02:20] acceptable?
[2:02:22] Please consider the amendments
[2:02:24] to right that height comply with
[2:02:28] mxm and any vehicular traffic
[2:02:30] proposed enter and exit through
[2:02:31] connection through 12th street.
[2:02:34] >> shaun followed by jasper.
[2:02:36] >>coun. Pe}a: one second.
[2:02:38] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,
[2:02:39] I'd like to make you aware that
[2:02:42] the site plan and building a
[2:02:45] permit stage of the proposed
[2:02:46] development is going to be
[2:02:48] considered quasi-judicial
[2:02:50] commentary on design and zoning
[2:02:53] for the property should be
[2:02:56] limited and that will be for
[2:02:57] further discussion as this
[2:02:58] progresses.
[2:03:02] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[2:03:07] >> shaun, followed by jasper.
[2:03:09] >> good evening, can everyone
[2:03:10] hear me?
[2:03:13] >> we hear you very well.
[2:03:14] >> thank you.
[2:03:16] I was born and raised in
[2:03:17] albuquerque, new mexico.
[2:03:20] And as someone that owns a small
[2:03:21] local business in the north
[2:03:22] valley, I care about our local
[2:03:24] community and its growth.
[2:03:26] I believe this hotel project by
[2:03:28] sun capital will greatly benefit
[2:03:31] albuquerque sawmill and the old
[2:03:33] town area by supporting existing
[2:03:35] businesses, replacing daytime
[2:03:36] office traffic with vibrant
[2:03:38] weekend and providing affordable
[2:03:39] lodging.
[2:03:42] There are tons of community and
[2:03:43] economic benefits.
[2:03:48] It will boost log
[2:03:49] cal shops and
[2:03:50] restaurants and museums.
[2:03:51] This hotel in particular will
[2:03:54] not have an on-site bar or
[2:03:54] restaurant.
[2:03:56] I see tremendous opportunity for
[2:03:58] local growth that this project
[2:04:04] will replace the 25,000 square
[2:04:05] foot office building. It fills
[2:04:07] the need for quality mid-scale
[2:04:09] hotel that costs less than the
[2:04:10] local luxury options.
[2:04:12] This hotel will be affordable
[2:04:13] and community based.
[2:04:15] The architecture of this project
[2:04:17] will match the existing theme of
[2:04:18] sawmill and in turn make it a
[2:04:20] great companion hotel to the
[2:04:21] area.
[2:04:23] It will create jobs and revenue
[2:04:26] by generating construction jobs
[2:04:28] permanent hospitality work and
[2:04:30] opportunity for local workforce.
[2:04:31] As someone who lived in
[2:04:33] albuquerque their entire life, I
[2:04:35] understand the want and the need
[2:04:36] for this project.
[2:04:41] It's local, affordable,
[2:04:42] job-generating and encourages
[2:04:45] positive traffic to the sawmill
[2:04:48] and old town area.
[2:04:50] Thank you very much.
[2:04:53] >> jazz
[2:04:55] sper followed by shane.
[2:04:55] >> good evening.
[2:04:58] I'm the owner of noisy water
[2:05:02] winery and plaza don luis.
[2:05:04] I support the sawmill project.
[2:05:09] I see how tourism vanth
[2:05:09] strengthens
[2:05:12] local businesses.
[2:05:14] For museums, wineries, shops and
[2:05:15] attractions in the area.
[2:05:18] I like this hotel is designed to
[2:05:19] compliment the neighborhood.
[2:05:21] Without the restaurant and bar
[2:05:23] guests will explore old town and
[2:05:25] sawmill supporting the
[2:05:27] businesses that already invested
[2:05:31] in the community, it generates
[2:05:32] jobs and help albuquerque
[2:05:33] continue to grow as a
[2:05:33] destination.
[2:05:35] I believe this is a thoughtful
[2:05:36] redevelopment that will benefit
[2:05:37] the surrounding neighborhood and
[2:05:38] local economy.
[2:05:41] I respectfully ask for your
[2:05:42] support.
[2:05:42] Thank you.
[2:05:58] >> shane followed by douglas.
[2:06:03] >> I'm the owner of rent macy
[2:06:04] electric out of gallup, new
[2:06:04] mexico.
[2:06:07] We've had contract work in
[2:06:08] albuquerque, which has required
[2:06:12] us to house our employees.
[2:06:14] And we usually have a hotel
[2:06:17] about seven to ten rooms per
[2:06:18] week.
[2:06:21] Over the last several years.
[2:06:24] I believe this hotel it will be
[2:06:26] a tremendous benefit to have a
[2:06:28] dual ground hotel built in the
[2:06:29] sawmill district.
[2:06:30] Not only for employees like mine
[2:06:31] to stay but also for the
[2:06:34] business travellers, leisure
[2:06:36] travellers, they'll be able to
[2:06:37] enjoy historic downtown and
[2:06:39] newer restaurants and breweries
[2:06:40] and entertainment.
[2:06:42] All of this is within walking
[2:06:46] distance of where this hotel is
[2:06:47] going to be.
[2:06:50] It would be great for the owners
[2:06:53] of the businesses in that area
[2:06:54] also.
[2:06:56] I also have the opportunity to
[2:06:58] work with sun capital hotels and
[2:07:00] like the employees have said, he
[2:07:02] also treats the people that he
[2:07:03] works with the same way.
[2:07:07] Please support this irb.
[2:07:14] Thank you.
[2:07:28] >> douglas, followed by ray.
[2:07:30] >> good evening, everyone.
[2:07:33] My name is dugerous
[2:07:34] ouglas.
[2:07:37] I live in phoenix, arizona.
[2:07:42] I do almost all of my work in
[2:07:42] albuquerque.
[2:07:47] I'm also a diamond member at
[2:07:48] hilton.
[2:07:52] And I stay at hilton products.
[2:07:53] This would be great for me and
[2:07:54] my business.
[2:07:56] I do most of my meetings, as I
[2:07:58] do not have a full-time office,
[2:08:01] at local establishments,
[2:08:02] restaurants, starbucks.
[2:08:04] Any coffee shop.
[2:08:06] This will be a great avenue to
[2:08:07] stay and walk.
[2:08:09] I'm usually there for about five
[2:08:10] days per week.
[2:08:13] Two or three times a month.
[2:08:18] Thank you for your time.
[2:08:22] >> ray followed by diana.
[2:08:24] >> good afternoon, or good
[2:08:24] evening.
[2:08:26] Thank you for this opportunity.
[2:08:28] I've been a citizen of
[2:08:30] albuquerque for 30 years.
[2:08:32] I want to give you a background
[2:08:34] to give you context on my
[2:08:34] comments.
[2:08:36] I served as risk manager and
[2:08:38] insurance broker for over 48
[2:08:38] years.
[2:08:40] I walked thousands of properties
[2:08:43] and looked at many projects with
[2:08:46] an eye toward risk management,
[2:08:49] staft safety, commitment of the
[2:08:49] developer.
[2:08:51] I've also been working with sun
[2:08:53] capital and the leadership team
[2:08:54] for the last 15 years.
[2:08:56] I've been privileged to watch
[2:08:58] this leadership team work so
[2:08:58] hard.
[2:09:01] I worked and walked all of the
[2:09:02] properties owned by sun capital
[2:09:05] in the state of new mexico and
[2:09:06] tell you without exception they
[2:09:08] meet and exceed the standards
[2:09:10] for life safety, public safety,
[2:09:12] and fire prevention.
[2:09:13] They work hard.
[2:09:14] I've watched them and witnessed
[2:09:16] them invest millions of dollars
[2:09:18] into their property to ensure
[2:09:20] that the property continues not
[2:09:22] only to be safe, but to be
[2:09:25] aesthetically correct for the
[2:09:25] areas.
[2:09:28] Proof of that concept is what
[2:09:30] they've done in the I-25
[2:09:32] corridor as well as uptown.
[2:09:36] I am in support of this project.
[2:09:37] I am confident that sun capital
[2:09:39] will deliver on their promise to
[2:09:42] give you a quality product
[2:09:43] that's safe for the public and
[2:09:44] benefits the economy.
[2:09:51] thank you for your time today.
[2:09:58] >> diana followed by johnny.
[2:10:00] Diana, you'll have to accept
[2:10:17] promotion to panelist.
[2:10:18] >> can you hear me?
[2:10:20] >> we can hear you.
[2:10:21] Thank you.
[2:10:24] >> hello, I am joining you from
[2:10:25] las cruces.
[2:10:27] I am an employee of sun capital
[2:10:31] hotels as general manager at the
[2:10:33] holiday inn express north.
[2:10:34] I have witnessed the growth of
[2:10:36] the company and excited with all
[2:10:38] the projects that are in the
[2:10:38] pipeline.
[2:10:41] In my journey with sun capital
[2:10:42] hotels they have given me the
[2:10:44] opportunity to focus on my
[2:10:44] leadership growth.
[2:10:47] I have been a mentor for the
[2:10:48] company's future leaders in a
[2:10:50] program that they developed to
[2:10:53] invest and promote within.
[2:10:55] In addition, I've also been
[2:10:56] approached by the city of las
[2:10:58] cruces to be part of the
[2:11:00] lodger's tax committee.
[2:11:01] I am the chair of the leadership
[2:11:03] program with the greater chamber
[2:11:06] to develop skills and educate
[2:11:08] participants on all the local
[2:11:10] dynamics in las cruces.
[2:11:14] With the support of sun capital
[2:11:16] hotels, there are numerous
[2:11:18] volunteer hours company-wide in
[2:11:22] our local community.
[2:11:25] At food banks and support local
[2:11:25] events.
[2:11:28] With every new hotel
[2:11:29] development, our company just
[2:11:34] doesn't grow, it impacts local
[2:11:34] economies.
[2:11:36] Thank you.
[2:11:47] >> johnny followed by steve.
[2:11:51] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,
[2:11:54] I'm an old town business owner
[2:11:57] and property owner.
[2:11:59] Of old town shopping plaza.
[2:12:00] Old town needs more visitors
[2:12:03] that are spending more money.
[2:12:05] We do not need an existing
[2:12:09] office space that MAY be vacant.
[2:12:10] Most of the time.
[2:12:14] I believe approving this irb is
[2:12:16] an investment in our community
[2:12:20] and the future that will pay
[2:12:21] dividends in the community and
[2:12:25] benefit old town businesses and
[2:12:27] residents for many years in the
[2:12:27] future.
[2:12:29] If you don't invest in old town
[2:12:33] and our community, we'll not
[2:12:33] grow.
[2:12:35] You talked earlier about
[2:12:37] increasing gross receipts to
[2:12:39] support our city budget,
[2:12:42] approving this irb generates
[2:12:45] more revenue for old town and
[2:12:47] more gross receipts.
[2:12:49] It generates more jobs for our
[2:12:49] city.
[2:12:54] I hope you'll vote yes on this
[2:12:54] irb.
[2:12:57] Thank you.
[2:12:59] >> steve chavez, followed by
[2:13:02] adam
[2:13:03] adam.
[2:13:04] >> good evening, MADAM
[2:13:07] PRESIDENT, members of the city
[2:13:08] council.
[2:13:10] I'm with s3 development.
[2:13:11] I apologize for thought being
[2:13:12] there in person this evening.
[2:13:14] I'm out traveling today.
[2:13:18] I am in support of the irb's for
[2:13:20] the hotel proposed in the
[2:13:21] sawmill district.
[2:13:23] I feel in today's world of
[2:13:26] trying to find an afford able
[2:13:28] able --
[2:13:29] it's important to work together
[2:13:32] to support this type of
[2:13:33] development.
[2:13:35] Depesh and his team do quality
[2:13:35] work.
[2:13:36] I'll vouch for his group as
[2:13:38] professional operators and
[2:13:39] developers.
[2:13:41] How can we give irb's to one
[2:13:42] large developer in the area and
[2:13:44] not to a developer who will
[2:13:46] provide the affordability we
[2:13:46] need?
[2:13:48] Sometimes competition is good.
[2:13:51] And I support him and what he's
[2:13:51] doing in that district.
[2:13:56] Thank you.
[2:14:03] >> adam.
[2:14:07] >> yes, hi.
[2:14:10] MADAM PRESIDENT, council
[2:14:11] members.
[2:14:14] I'm also a downtowner.
[2:14:16] Echoing a lot of comments we
[2:14:19] heard tonight, I'm sorry I had
[2:14:20] to leave tonight, I have
[2:14:22] something early in the morning.
[2:14:27] Diversity of lodging, increasing
[2:14:27] gross receipts tax.
[2:14:30] All those things happen when we
[2:14:31] have new development.
[2:14:33] Especially with lodging
[2:14:34] development because those are
[2:14:35] people from out of town that
[2:14:37] come and want to spend their
[2:14:39] money in our community.
[2:14:41] I think we all have a reason to
[2:14:44] vote for this financial
[2:14:46] instrument because of those
[2:14:46] things.
[2:14:47] I like to urge you that this is
[2:14:49] something that will be good for
[2:14:50] our community.
[2:14:51] This will be good for the rail
[2:14:53] trail that we allotted money
[2:14:53] for.
[2:14:58] I would really like to see some
[2:14:59] mountain finished this hotel and
[2:15:02] get rid of an office building
[2:15:03] that is out of date and
[2:15:05] shouldn't have place in the
[2:15:05] sawmill.
[2:15:06] Thank you and I appreciate all
[2:15:07] of your service to the
[2:15:09] community.
[2:15:10] >> thank you, MADAM Chair.
[2:15:16] That takes care of zoom.
[2:15:19] Pauline, would you like to
[2:15:19] speak?
[2:15:33] >>coun. Pe}a: pauline chavez.
[2:15:39] here she comes.
[2:15:40] >> good evening, MADAM
[2:15:43] PRESIDENT, councilors.
[2:15:46] I spoke at the last council
[2:15:46] meeting.
[2:15:49] I am a member of the community
[2:15:50] land trust.
[2:15:53] I was born and raised in the
[2:15:54] neighborhood.
[2:15:59] At the last meeting, after the
[2:16:00] hearing the testimony, you asked
[2:16:02] the developers to reach out to
[2:16:03] the community.
[2:16:05] I have not heard from the
[2:16:08] community, neekt
[2:16:09] ither have my
[2:16:10] neighbors.
[2:16:11] It's my understanding that they
[2:16:13] contacted our executive director
[2:16:16] orlando and that meeting was
[2:16:19] with him and one other person.
[2:16:22] I don't know who their
[2:16:24] communication person is, but
[2:16:26] they did not do an outreach to
[2:16:27] our neighborhood.
[2:16:30] It's my understanding that
[2:16:32] councilor baca had a couple
[2:16:34] amendments that require
[2:16:37] conditions for approval of the
[2:16:38] irb.
[2:16:41] They're very important concerns.
[2:16:43] They deal with traffic and
[2:16:44] height.
[2:16:46] While we still feel this project
[2:16:50] does not deserve taxpayer's
[2:16:52] subsidies, we know there are
[2:16:55] some councilors who believe it
[2:16:56] does.
[2:16:59] I hope that --
[2:17:02] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[2:17:03] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, that
[2:17:05] concludes list of sign-ups for
[2:17:08] this matter.
[2:17:10] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor baca,
[2:17:10] o-38.
[2:17:12] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM
[2:17:13] PRESIDENT.
[2:17:14] There's obviously clear support
[2:17:17] for this project within the
[2:17:19] community, simultaneously,
[2:17:23] there's not support for this
[2:17:23] project.
[2:17:26] I think if this the journal
[2:17:28] area, we did approval and didn't
[2:17:30] talk about that.
[2:17:32] Downtown and old town and
[2:17:32] sawmill are different.
[2:17:34] They do require a little bit
[2:17:36] more, a little bit more time for
[2:17:37] everybody to sit down and go
[2:17:39] through it.
[2:17:42] I think we heard that the design
[2:17:43] team met with the land trust but
[2:17:45] not the developer.
[2:17:47] I think the land trust really
[2:17:48] wanted to meet with the
[2:17:49] developer directly.
[2:17:50] I think that's important.
[2:17:51] Also, there was mention of a
[2:17:54] couple amendments I was going to
[2:17:54] introduce.
[2:17:58] I'm not going to introduce those
[2:17:59] because our counsel advised me
[2:18:00] against that.
[2:18:02] That changes things a little
[2:18:02] bit.
[2:18:03] I think that's important.
[2:18:06] I did meet with both groups to
[2:18:07] see where they where and what
[2:18:08] happened.
[2:18:11] There's still a lot of confusion
[2:18:11] there.
[2:18:14] With that, I would like to move
[2:18:18] deferral for times like the
[2:18:21] groups and developers to meet.
[2:18:23] I don't know if our counsel will
[2:18:26] allow me to do that?
[2:18:28] I'd like to move deferral to the
[2:18:29] 17th.
[2:18:33] Am I able to sit with them?
[2:18:36] >> counsel PRESIDENT, councilor
[2:18:37] baca, yes.
[2:18:38] >>coun. Baca: okay.
[2:18:40] I think we can hopefully hash
[2:18:40] out something there.
[2:18:43] At least there won't be any
[2:18:45] discussion of he said, she said,
[2:18:48] or we haven't heard.
[2:18:50] I know everybody does a good
[2:18:52] faith effort to try and reach
[2:18:52] out.
[2:18:54] That doesn't mean everybody
[2:18:54] hears.
[2:18:55] We can always do better with
[2:18:56] that.
[2:18:57] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[2:19:00] and a second by vice PRESIDENT
[2:19:03] Champine for a deferral to
[2:19:04] AUGUST 17th.
[2:19:09] [Roll call].
[2:19:12] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[2:19:14] >>coun. Bassan: no.
[2:19:16] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[2:19:19] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[2:19:22] >>coun. Grout: no.
[2:19:25] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[2:19:27] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[2:19:29] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[2:19:29] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[2:19:32] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.
[2:19:33] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[2:19:35] We're now on to item 11, which
[2:19:35] is appeals.
[2:19:37] There are none.
[2:19:39] Item 12, general public comment.
[2:19:40] Members of the public can
[2:19:43] provide live public comment to
[2:19:44] the council in person or
[2:19:45] virtually if they signed up for
[2:19:46] public comment per the
[2:19:48] instructions published on the
[2:19:49] agenda and our website friday.
[2:19:51] Here are the public comment
[2:19:57] ground rules, if you can exit
[2:19:57] quietly.
[2:20:00] Thank you so much.
[2:20:03] Excuse me.
[2:20:05] Each participant has one minute
[2:20:06] to present.
[2:20:08] Comments are also to be
[2:20:09] addressed to the councilors only
[2:20:11] through the council PRESIDENT.
[2:20:13] Any disruptive conduct will
[2:20:14] result in removal from the
[2:20:14] meeting.
[2:20:17] There's a one-minute time limit
[2:20:18] and the bill will ring to
[2:20:19] indicate your time is up.
[2:20:21] MR. Cornelius, please call the
[2:20:22] name of the first speaker.
[2:20:24] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[2:20:26] Our first speaker is jackson
[2:20:33] followed by matthew.
[2:20:34] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MR. Vice
[2:20:35] PRESIDENT Champine, members of
[2:20:39] the council, I am a senior at
[2:20:40] eldorado high school.
[2:20:47] I'm here to share how -- tobacco
[2:20:48] products are still used at
[2:20:49] school companies every day.
[2:20:51] Especially in restrooms.
[2:20:52] More specifically they're used
[2:20:54] in the handicap stalls.
[2:20:55] At times I had to leave my
[2:20:57] campus and push my wheelchair
[2:21:05] over a mile to use the restroom.
[2:21:06] If you wish
[2:21:09] one reason that many students
[2:21:11] are vaping is because of
[2:21:11] flavors.
[2:21:13] Accord to the 2025 national
[2:21:15] youth tobacco survey, 1 hoit 45
[2:21:17] mill wherein youth in the united
[2:21:19] states currently vape.
[2:21:21] And 91% use flavored product.
[2:21:24] We need to continue to prevent
[2:21:25] nicotine addiction.
[2:21:27] I hope you support efforts that
[2:21:28] keep youth safe and create
[2:21:29] healthier communities for
[2:21:30] everyone.
[2:21:32] I'm happy to talk to anyone
[2:21:34] about this at the end of the
[2:21:34] meeting.
[2:21:36] Thank you for your time and
[2:21:36] consideration.
[2:21:43] >> matthew followed by lex.
[2:21:46] >> good evening, MADAM
[2:21:47] PRESIDENT, MR. Vice PRESIDENT
[2:21:49] Champine, members of the
[2:21:50] council.
[2:21:53] I am a sophomore at eldorado.
[2:21:56] I've been with the involvement
[2:21:57] program.
[2:21:59] I have seen how vaping affects
[2:22:00] students and communities.
[2:22:03] One way we can help prevent
[2:22:08] youth nicotine addiction is
[2:22:09] restrictioning flavored vapes.
[2:22:12] While current laws mean the
[2:22:14] policies must be passed at the
[2:22:15] state or federal level, support
[2:22:17] from local leaders like you can
[2:22:19] build momentum for municipal
[2:22:19] change.
[2:22:21] We hope you will consider
[2:22:23] supporting everts to protect new
[2:22:24] mexico's youth from nicotine
[2:22:25] addiction.
[2:22:25] Thank you for your time and
[2:22:28] consideration.
[2:22:32] >> lex followed by brick.
[2:22:51] >> overhead, please.
[2:23:02] ?
[2:23:05] >> MR. Greigo contacted police
[2:23:07] and advised he was pepper
[2:23:10] sprayed by the female and had
[2:23:16] his phone stolen.
[2:23:19] >> I'm talking to them.
[2:23:20] Did I say anything to them?
[2:23:22] >> I'm not recording them.
[2:23:23] I was recording that kid.
[2:23:25] I am recording you by the say,
[2:23:36] sir.
[2:23:39] [Distorted audio].
[2:23:41] >> some guy hit his phone out of
[2:23:42] his hand.
[2:23:46] I went to pick it up and the --
[2:23:47] tackled me.
[2:23:57] He didn't do nothing.
[2:23:58] He's your favorite content
[2:24:03] creator or whatever.
[2:24:06] He said -- you ought to go see
[2:24:06] it.
[2:24:08] Also, we don't have his phone.
[2:24:10] And picked it up after they
[2:24:12] tackled me.
[2:24:17] Nobody has your fuckin phone,
[2:24:25] punk ass bitch.
[2:24:34] >> brick followed by francesco.
[2:24:36] >> just to be clear, I want to
[2:24:37] make sure the narrative is
[2:24:37] clear.
[2:24:39] Because the narrative that was
[2:24:41] attempted to be painted by the
[2:24:42] video the police released in my
[2:24:46] opinion is not the actual thing
[2:24:47] that happened.
[2:24:50] But when it comes to a person's
[2:24:51] life, I believe this young man
[2:24:53] personally was defending
[2:24:53] himself.
[2:24:55] He was attacked multiple times
[2:24:57] while he was downtown.
[2:25:03] He was a tiktoker.
[2:25:08] I want to make sure to include
[2:25:13] in this you can see his types of
[2:25:17] interactions after harris shot
[2:25:19] him.
[2:25:26] This is the real --
[2:25:39] [Inaudible].
[2:25:43] [Beeping and inaudible audio].
[2:25:44] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[2:25:46] Your time is up.
[2:25:48] >> just to be clear, he defended
[2:25:50] himself.
[2:26:09] >> francesco followed by tad.
[2:26:11] >> I propose an additional
[2:26:13] options for some of our unhoused
[2:26:15] neighbors who have lost their
[2:26:16] way.
[2:26:17] Picture public laneeraries and
[2:26:19] transit system being used as
[2:26:21] homeless shelters but without
[2:26:25] all the bells and whys
[2:26:25] istles.
[2:26:31] Convert an empty storefront in
[2:26:33] each quadrant.
[2:26:35] And new public restroom for
[2:26:37] people that need them the most.
[2:26:39] Maybe if acs likes the idea,
[2:26:41] make each one into a substation.
[2:26:43] The city has arrested more
[2:26:44] homeless in the last year than
[2:26:47] the last eight years combined,
[2:26:50] which is the most inhumane and
[2:26:51] expensive option.
[2:26:53] Making unhoused approximately
[2:26:56] half of our current prison
[2:26:57] population.
[2:27:00] Compass is short of compassion.
[2:27:02] Thank you.
[2:27:07] >> tad followed by joseph.
[2:27:22] >> could you give me overhead?
[2:27:22] Thank you.
[2:27:30] Excuse me.
[2:27:32] I believe I won't have time to
[2:27:36] get through this issue tonight.
[2:27:53] So, anyway, apd cops isn't
[2:27:54] writing tickets.
[2:27:57] i'm speaking about public
[2:27:58] safety.
[2:28:00] Now, what they doing?
[2:28:08] They operating from the inside
[2:28:13] through the cameras.
[2:28:15] Private contractors and what
[2:28:21] kind of job they do?
[2:28:24] They finally went after me.
[2:28:26] And we will go through the
[2:28:27] court.
[2:28:31] I'll get these bastards because
[2:28:33] that's the way this was written,
[2:28:38] this citation to me, that also
[2:28:40] against constitutional and also
[2:28:43] against apd policy.
[2:28:46] Thank you.
[2:29:04] >> joseph followed by denise.
[2:29:12] Denise followed by justin.
[2:29:19] Justin followed by janet.
[2:29:21] >> I'll be using the overhead.
[2:29:23] Also, I have handouts for each
[2:29:27] councilor.
[2:29:30] Including one for councilor
[2:29:38] lewis.
[2:29:39] Good evening.
[2:29:40] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,
[2:29:41] members of the council.
[2:29:43] I'm here with report cards.
[2:29:45] This a group project.
[2:29:48] We tracked over 150 votes from
[2:29:49] JANUARY through JUNE.
[2:29:53] And picked 32 key voting items.
[2:29:55] We asked people to read them and
[2:29:59] say which are the most
[2:29:59] important.
[2:30:01] Then weighing them by
[2:30:02] importance, we looked at all the
[2:30:04] council votes to give you a
[2:30:05] score.
[2:30:07] No ai was used in this process.
[2:30:08] This is just the voice of the
[2:30:10] people and what we want to see
[2:30:12] you all do.
[2:30:14] There's six main categories of
[2:30:17] priorities on the front side of
[2:30:17] this.
[2:30:19] From immigrant rights which is
[2:30:22] 8.2 down to taxes which is 2.2
[2:30:24] and if you're curious where
[2:30:25] these came from.
[2:30:26] these are some of the 32 votes
[2:30:27] we considered.
[2:30:28] Not all.
[2:30:34] The other side, flip the page,
[2:30:37] is other grades.
[2:30:37] This is for you to know that
[2:30:39] people are watching and I just
[2:30:42] want to say that, yeah, take
[2:30:44] this into consideration.
[2:30:45] And two councilors are getting
[2:30:49] extra credit for putting in the
[2:30:50] budgeting process.
[2:30:53] The rest of you can get credit
[2:30:59] for that.
[2:31:18] >> janet followed by lisa.
[2:31:24] Lisa followed by thomas.
[2:31:26] >> welcome back, city
[2:31:27] councilors.
[2:31:28] And to the public, I'm lisa.
[2:31:30] I live in albuquerque, district
[2:31:31] three.
[2:31:32] Founder of -- we've already been
[2:31:32] through that.
[2:31:35] We have a partnership with over
[2:31:36] 52 state groups and
[2:31:37] organizations.
[2:31:40] I'm here making public comment
[2:31:42] as an individual with the
[2:31:45] understanding I share similar
[2:31:48] concerns with many in the
[2:31:48] community.
[2:31:49] I love that some of you care
[2:31:51] about us, that doesn't mean we
[2:31:52] always have to agree.
[2:31:56] But I have to tell you I was so
[2:31:57] invigorated and excited that we
[2:31:59] have people advocating for us
[2:32:01] with passion because it really
[2:32:03] has felt like we have not had a
[2:32:04] voice.
[2:32:06] People who had money or
[2:32:07] positions -- I'm just being
[2:32:08] honest.
[2:32:09] It felt like you guys don't care
[2:32:11] and only a few of you care.
[2:32:13] For a month, we have gone back
[2:32:14] to community.
[2:32:16] That's why you're seeing, we're
[2:32:17] going to come to you all with
[2:32:19] what we would like albuquerque
[2:32:20] to look like.
[2:32:21] We're asking you all to please
[2:32:23] partner with us so we can have
[2:32:24] an albuquerque that all of us
[2:32:26] love and are proud of.
[2:32:27] Right now, we don't feel like
[2:32:33] you care.
[2:32:39] >> thomas followed by grace.
[2:32:42] >> so, last time I came and
[2:32:43] spoke at city council, police
[2:32:45] force was used to remove me from
[2:32:47] the podium because I broke a
[2:32:50] rule that I believe to be
[2:32:51] constitutionally wrong, which is
[2:32:54] that I cannot ask direct
[2:32:56] questions of city councilors.
[2:32:57] After police force was used
[2:33:00] against me, I went to my
[2:33:00] representative, councilor
[2:33:01] rogers, and I asked would you
[2:33:03] still be willing to hear
[2:33:04] questions from me as you have in
[2:33:06] the past here in city council.
[2:33:08] Rogers said yes.
[2:33:10] Here I am to do what I did last
[2:33:12] time, which got me forcibly
[2:33:13] removed.
[2:33:14] Can I ask you a question,
[2:33:19] councilor rogers?
[2:33:20] >>coun. Pe}a: pass your comments
[2:33:22] through the chair.
[2:33:23] If councilor rogers would like
[2:33:27] to have a direct question to
[2:33:28] her, she can make a motion to
[2:33:30] override the rules.
[2:33:31] >> I'd like to ask the question
[2:33:33] to councilor rogers who is here
[2:33:34] in the room with us.
[2:33:36] Yeah, I'd like to ask her
[2:33:36] directly.
[2:33:37] >>coun. Pe}a: you have to ask
[2:33:39] your questions through the
[2:33:39] chair.
[2:33:41] >> I would like to ask my
[2:33:42] question to my representative
[2:33:44] who is expressed -- are you
[2:33:45] willing to hear, councilor
[2:33:46] rogers?
[2:33:47] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[2:33:48] Your time is up.
[2:33:50] >>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[2:33:52] as long as he follows the rule
[2:33:54] and asks the question of the
[2:33:56] chair, I am willing to hear it.
[2:33:59] We talked about that in our
[2:33:59] meeting.
[2:34:01] I still have to follow the rule
[2:34:02] of the council and ask the
[2:34:05] questions through the chair.
[2:34:06] >>coun. Pe}a: if you make a
[2:34:08] motion, procedurarily, that's
[2:34:09] correct.
[2:34:11] Is that correct?
[2:34:14] >> MADAM Chair, if he speaks
[2:34:15] through you and the councilor
[2:34:17] wishes to answer the question,
[2:34:17] that would be fine.
[2:34:19] People have done that in the
[2:34:20] past.
[2:34:21] But they have to speak through
[2:34:22] the chair.
[2:34:24] >> I think it should be clear my
[2:34:25] question is not for the chair.
[2:34:27] My question is for my
[2:34:30] representative whom I voted for.
[2:34:30] >>coun. Pe}a: we understand what
[2:34:31] you're trying to do.
[2:34:33] There are procedural things we
[2:34:34] have as a council.
[2:34:36] I'm telling you if she wishes to
[2:34:38] answer your question, she could.
[2:34:40] The rule is she would have to
[2:34:42] make a motion, but I guess we
[2:34:45] have set precedence we have not
[2:34:46] done that.
[2:34:49] If she says you can ask her
[2:34:51] direction questions and she
[2:34:54] indicated you can, you can.
[2:34:58] >> if I can ask a quick question
[2:35:01] to you, councilor rogers?
[2:35:02] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[2:35:03] I believe that the speaker's
[2:35:05] time is up.
[2:35:06] >> okay.
[2:35:08] Most of my time was spent
[2:35:10] listening to them debate.
[2:35:11] My comment was not her speaking
[2:35:12] to me.
[2:35:13] My comment is a question.
[2:35:15] MAY I ask you a question,
[2:35:15] rogers?
[2:35:17] >>coun. Pe}a: your time is up.
[2:35:18] I'm sorry.
[2:35:20] >> councilor rogers, would you
[2:35:22] mind making a motion to suspend
[2:35:24] the rules to make a motion.
[2:35:25] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, I'd
[2:35:26] like you to ask the question
[2:35:28] through the chair and I'm happy
[2:35:29] to answer it for the council
[2:35:30] rules.
[2:35:32] As a member of this body, I
[2:35:34] honor our rules which we talked
[2:35:35] about when we met.
[2:35:37] You can absolutely ask he any
[2:35:38] questions but it must be through
[2:35:40] the chair.
[2:35:42] And I ask to be recognized.
[2:35:42] That's the process.
[2:35:44] And the chair can choose to
[2:35:45] recognize me or not.
[2:35:48] If I wish to push the issue, I
[2:35:49] have to challenge the rule of
[2:35:50] the chair and we would have to
[2:35:51] take a vote.
[2:35:54] To avoid all of that, all you
[2:35:58] have to say is MADAM, chair ask
[2:35:58] the question.
[2:36:01] I ask her to answer, and I'm
[2:36:02] sure she'll oblige.
[2:36:05] And we'll move on.
[2:36:06] >>coun. Pe}a: it's not
[2:36:06] discussion.
[2:36:07] It's public comment.
[2:36:10] She does not have to answer your
[2:36:11] question.
[2:36:11] >> understood.
[2:36:14] >>coun. Pe}a: and your time is
[2:36:14] up.
[2:36:17] I don't know, councilor rogers,
[2:36:18] do you want to allow for more
[2:36:18] time?
[2:36:19] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[2:36:20] PRESIDENT.
[2:36:22] As long as we follow the rules
[2:36:22] through the chair.
[2:36:25] I'm happy to answer any
[2:36:28] questions
[2:36:29] questions directed.
[2:36:30] >> on that note, madam
[2:36:32] president, would you please ask
[2:36:33] my representative, councilor
[2:36:36] rogers, why it is that I have to
[2:36:38] avoid my constitutional right to
[2:36:40] ask questions of my
[2:36:40] representatives here in this
[2:36:42] city council chambers?
[2:36:44] And I have to direct my
[2:36:45] questions through you, why is it
[2:36:47] when I fail to do so police
[2:36:49] force is used to remove me from
[2:36:51] the building and it is
[2:36:53] dangerously used to prohibit my
[2:36:54] free speech and my ability as
[2:36:56] the journalist to ask questions
[2:36:57] when you might not be able to
[2:36:59] get away from them.
[2:37:00] I understand you don't have a
[2:37:02] blaikz to answer them, but it
[2:37:04] would be nice to know why I was
[2:37:06] removed forceally with police
[2:37:08] force last time I was here and
[2:37:10] why dan lewis is protected from
[2:37:13] questions he doesn't want to
[2:37:13] answer.
[2:37:18] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I would
[2:37:19] advise he do not answer
[2:37:21] questions that could be a matter
[2:37:23] of litigation.
[2:37:24] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers.
[2:37:25] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[2:37:26] Chair.
[2:37:32] Because this is wrapped up in
[2:37:34] active legal matters.
[2:37:36] I would have to defer to my
[2:37:39] legal counsel's advice.
[2:37:40] >> disappointing.
[2:37:41] Thank you.
[2:37:42] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[2:37:45] >> grace, followed by jonah.
[2:37:47] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, welcome back
[2:37:50] from your taxpayer funded
[2:37:50] seven-week vacation.
[2:37:52] I hope you enjoy it because we
[2:37:53] did not.
[2:37:54] We suffered in the heat and
[2:37:55] suffered in the jail for the
[2:37:58] crime of sitting down on the
[2:37:58] sidewalk.
[2:38:01] Our every move was tracked by
[2:38:03] flock cameras that are being
[2:38:08] used by ice to snatch the
[2:38:10] constituents from the streets.
[2:38:12] Yet silence from this dais.
[2:38:14] You have an opportunity, MADAM
[2:38:15] PRESIDENT, now that we're back
[2:38:17] from your break, you can correct
[2:38:21] the course like you did earlier
[2:38:22] tonight.
[2:38:25] You can vote to stop the sweeps,
[2:38:26] take down flock cameras to give
[2:38:30] us a lifeline.
[2:38:33] To stop treating us at the
[2:38:35] working class people are second
[2:38:36] class citizens.
[2:38:39] We're tired of sitting down and
[2:38:41] being employed while you and the
[2:38:43] billionaires extract from us.
[2:38:46] You can make an easy buck off
[2:38:46] of.
[2:38:49] When we stand up you sick the
[2:38:52] police force on us.
[2:38:53] You have to vote like it if you
[2:38:55] want to help us.
[2:38:58] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[2:39:08] >> jonah followed by erica.
[2:39:10] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, city
[2:39:12] councilors, I live in district
[2:39:14] seven and attend unm.
[2:39:15] My studies and conversations
[2:39:16] with my community have taught me
[2:39:18] about a couple concerning themes
[2:39:19] in today's agenda.
[2:39:22] O-38 is a potential tool for
[2:39:24] restitution and systemic reform
[2:39:28] over housing market to a large
[2:39:29] corporation
[2:39:30] corporation.
[2:39:32] Community land trust with proper
[2:39:34] developers are models for good.
[2:39:37] O-35, minimum wage increases is
[2:39:42] not matching up with inflation.
[2:39:44] Lack of creative problem
[2:39:44] solving.
[2:39:45] We're all scared about
[2:39:49] increasing rates, leze -- please
[2:39:55] don't make it worse.
[2:39:58] -- we know the historical
[2:40:00] implications that normally
[2:40:01] carries.
[2:40:03] prop two seem to me theatrics.
[2:40:05] I believe we are capable of more
[2:40:07] progressive policies to help us
[2:40:11] tackle this brutal affordability
[2:40:11] crisis.
[2:40:16] Stop the sweeps of the transient
[2:40:16] neighbors.
[2:40:17] Thanks to councilor fiebelkorn
[2:40:18] and councilor rogers.
[2:40:21] I see improvements every day.
[2:40:27] >> erica followed by mervin.
[2:40:29] >> good evening, MADAM
[2:40:32] PRESIDENT, councilors.
[2:40:34] I am owner operator of carver
[2:40:38] family farm, new mexico's first
[2:40:40] licensed vertically integrated
[2:40:40] cannabis business.
[2:40:42] It's located in district four
[2:40:44] and I live in district seven.
[2:40:45] I'm speaking to please ask you
[2:40:51] to vote no on o-26-39.
[2:40:52] It works against small
[2:40:54] businesses and accessibility to
[2:40:56] real estate options and against
[2:40:58] medical patience having access
[2:40:59] to cannabis medicines.
[2:41:01] I understand we have many
[2:41:03] dispensaries in albuquerque but
[2:41:05] I don't see how disallowing new
[2:41:07] cannabis businesses to open in
[2:41:08] previously allowed areas is fair
[2:41:10] when there are no other
[2:41:12] businesses singled out in this
[2:41:12] manner.
[2:41:15] Without actually data to the
[2:41:17] contrary, this is based on moral
[2:41:18] prejudice.
[2:41:20] There's no data that indicates
[2:41:25] having a cannabis retail and
[2:41:28] nicotine retail has a negative
[2:41:29] outcome to the fostering
[2:41:31] community to live, work, learn,
[2:41:32] shop and play together.
[2:41:33] Thank you.
[2:41:43] >> mervin followed by antoina.
[2:41:44] >> good evening, MADAM
[2:41:49] PRESIDENT, councilors.
[2:41:50] I want to talk about something
[2:41:54] that I really feel is missing
[2:41:57] from the course of any
[2:41:57] discussions that I've ever heard
[2:41:59] since I've been here in
[2:42:02] albuquerque for the past six
[2:42:03] years.
[2:42:06] That is, the creation of the
[2:42:08] memorandum of understanding with
[2:42:13] the navajo nation regarding the
[2:42:17] injuries, deaths, and the
[2:42:20] killings of native americans,
[2:42:21] particularly with my tribe the
[2:42:22] navajo nation.
[2:42:24] I would encourage this council
[2:42:26] and even the mayor to begin to
[2:42:30] look into dialogue with the
[2:42:31] navajo nation.
[2:42:35] There are concerns that I have.
[2:42:39] 12 years ago, two navajos were
[2:42:39] killed here.
[2:42:42] There was an mou established
[2:42:45] with the navajo nation.
[2:42:47] On MAY 30th of last year, 2025,
[2:42:51] I was ran down and pinned under
[2:42:54] and injured quite severely.
[2:42:56] Requiring surgery on my knee and
[2:42:59] on my meta tarsal.
[2:43:01] The employee with the solid
[2:43:03] waste management was using a
[2:43:04] city of albuquerque vehicle.
[2:43:07] This has to end.
[2:43:10] Mou with the navajo nation would
[2:43:12] spell this out in detail.
[2:43:14] I urge you to reach out to the
[2:43:16] navajo nation.
[2:43:33] >> antonia followed by marslen.
[2:43:46] Marslen followed by bryant.
[2:43:52] >> 98, 98, 97, that is the
[2:43:53] predicted high temp for the next
[2:43:56] week here in albuquerque.
[2:43:58] A drastic increase in hate
[2:44:00] advisory warnings, yet does the
[2:44:03] city have designated cooling
[2:44:03] stations?
[2:44:03] No.
[2:44:05] Do we have shade at every one of
[2:44:07] the bus stops that many have to
[2:44:09] endure waiting for a long time
[2:44:11] for their bus?
[2:44:12] No.
[2:44:14] Where are people to go?
[2:44:16] Where are people to go?
[2:44:18] prison?
[2:44:20] To the prison shelter in the
[2:44:21] desert?
[2:44:22] The shelter with single digit
[2:44:27] case workers the shelter where
[2:44:29] being difficult can land you a
[2:44:29] permanent ban.
[2:44:32] It seems as though the city is
[2:44:34] giving folks three options.
[2:44:36] Jail, jail wearing the mask of a
[2:44:38] shelter, or death.
[2:44:40] The temperature will continue to
[2:44:41] rise and we'll continue to harm
[2:44:43] and kill people in our city.
[2:44:44] I suggest councilors and the
[2:44:46] public alike get familiar with
[2:44:49] the urban heat island effect.
[2:44:51] And we do something about this.
[2:44:53] We can do hard things.
[2:44:55] We can take care of each other.
[2:45:03] We can do these thicks
[2:45:03] ngs.
[2:45:04] It's something that's really
[2:45:04] important.
[2:45:05] We can't just put it to the
[2:45:10] side.
[2:45:12] >> bryant followed by mark on
[2:45:13] zoom.
[2:45:14] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I was here a
[2:45:17] year ago to the month last year.
[2:45:21] You guys gave me a proclamation
[2:45:24] making human kind day.
[2:45:25] I'm here a year later.
[2:45:27] I did my part.
[2:45:30] I have a cultural celebration
[2:45:32] weekend coming up AUGUST 14th.
[2:45:34] I invited all of you guys and
[2:45:36] some of the community to a black
[2:45:37] tie gala.
[2:45:38] We'll break bread.
[2:45:40] You have the opportunity to see
[2:45:42] what your constituents -- not as
[2:45:44] politicians but as people so
[2:45:45] they can get to know you.
[2:45:46] Where they actually know you as
[2:45:48] people with families.
[2:45:51] Ia -- you can break bread
[2:45:53] without there being reelection
[2:45:54] cycle or anything like that.
[2:45:56] You show up because you want to.
[2:45:58] i emailed you guys.
[2:46:00] I gave you guys also an
[2:46:00] invitation.
[2:46:02] If you need them.
[2:46:04] Again, I'll send them to you.
[2:46:06] One of the events is AUGUST 14th
[2:46:08] is the human kind gala.
[2:46:11] AUGUST 15th winrock park from
[2:46:14] 1:00 P.M. To 6:00 P.M. We have
[2:46:16] a cultural celebration.
[2:46:19] AUGUST 16th I've got an art
[2:46:20] battle.
[2:46:21] We're doing the art battle.
[2:46:23] 12 artists.
[2:46:27] Three 20-minute rounds.
[2:46:30] We auctioned off all the art.
[2:46:32] One of the events is councilor
[2:46:33] baca's area.
[2:46:35] I'm going to have security
[2:46:36] coming through the area.
[2:46:40] >>coun. Pe}a: your time is up.
[2:46:41] Sir, your time is up.
[2:46:54] >> I hope to see you guys there.
[2:46:56] >> mark followed by benjamin.
[2:46:57] >> good evening, MADAM
[2:47:00] PRESIDENT, members of the
[2:47:02] council.
[2:47:05] 71 years ago I became a resident
[2:47:07] of albuquerque.
[2:47:10] I've been with the senior
[2:47:11] affairs advisory council.
[2:47:12] I've learned about the work of
[2:47:14] the department and dedicated
[2:47:16] staff that care for our growing
[2:47:17] senior population.
[2:47:19] I'm also an active voice for the
[2:47:20] council and department works
[2:47:22] that demand programs and
[2:47:24] services that keep our adults
[2:47:26] healthy and independent and
[2:47:26] connected.
[2:47:29] This includes providing feedback
[2:47:30] during the evaluation.
[2:47:32] Including the recent breakfast
[2:47:34] alignment at the senior and
[2:47:34] multigeneration centers.
[2:47:36] I can tell you the department is
[2:47:39] very transparent and the
[2:47:40] evaluation included public
[2:47:41] meetings.
[2:47:43] based on the feedback from
[2:47:45] public and council member I
[2:47:47] provided direct input to the
[2:47:49] support and alignment program
[2:47:50] sustainable.
[2:47:52] Which included the recently
[2:47:54] revised menu that was posted on
[2:47:55] friday.
[2:47:57] Further, I want to make sure the
[2:47:59] department does an incredible
[2:48:03] amount of work as lifeline for
[2:48:05] seniors and those who need
[2:48:07] access to family support and
[2:48:08] transportation and other
[2:48:08] services.
[2:48:09] I'll skip to the bottom.
[2:48:14] The department realignment that
[2:48:16] optional for 20 years and done
[2:48:17] for the betterment of resources
[2:48:21] and keeps the program going.
[2:48:23] A real need of growth should be
[2:48:24] focused on other services many
[2:48:25] do not see.
[2:48:27] Thank you for your time and
[2:48:29] hearing my perspective on the
[2:48:32] support of the senior advisory
[2:48:33] committee.
[2:48:35] >> benjamin followed by joe.
[2:48:37] >> good evening, MADAM
[2:48:38] PRESIDENT, councilors.
[2:48:40] Tonight I'd like to ask you to
[2:48:42] please stop the mass
[2:48:45] surveillance in our city through
[2:48:47] drones and flock cameras.
[2:48:49] It is my belief that this is
[2:48:51] unwarranted surveillance.
[2:48:53] Normally, police require a
[2:48:55] warrant to spy on you, but not
[2:48:56] with flock cameras.
[2:48:57] Information is shared without
[2:49:00] any such warrant.
[2:49:01] Some of the reasons you should
[2:49:04] not use flock, they have poor
[2:49:08] security.
[2:49:11] They share video with any law
[2:49:11] enforcement organization
[2:49:12] throughout the country
[2:49:15] regardless of your privacy
[2:49:15] settings.
[2:49:18] They have over-confident ai that
[2:49:19] flags incident people as
[2:49:22] dangerous persons of interest.
[2:49:23] They're extremely expensive.
[2:49:24] It's another company that likes
[2:49:27] to move fast and break things.
[2:49:28] I don't know if we want to trust
[2:49:31] that with our data.
[2:49:33] They say they're all about
[2:49:35] safety, but who are they keeping
[2:49:36] us safe from?
[2:49:39] It's a question about a tradeoff
[2:49:40] between safety and freedom.
[2:49:43] Please take down the flock
[2:49:43] cameras.
[2:49:48] >> joe.
[2:49:50] >> good evening, MADAM
[2:49:51] PRESIDENT, good evening,
[2:49:51] councilors.
[2:49:52] I had a chance over the summer
[2:49:54] break to rewatch all of the
[2:49:56] council meetings from this year.
[2:49:58] Which admittedly at moments had
[2:50:00] me questioning my life choices.
[2:50:03] I wanted to offer a quick
[2:50:04] observation and recommendation
[2:50:05] on a few things.
[2:50:09] The first item is in regards to
[2:50:09] agendas.
[2:50:11] Specifically just not packing
[2:50:12] them.
[2:50:14] That's something I think this
[2:50:15] council leadership should
[2:50:16] consider.
[2:50:17] We have 1:00 A.M. Meetings.
[2:50:20] I noticed a few people nodding
[2:50:21] off.
[2:50:22] It does make hard to do the
[2:50:23] people's business.
[2:50:28] And it gets a bit confusing at
[2:50:29] 12 in the morning.
[2:50:31] Keeping the agenda is lighter is
[2:50:31] a good idea.
[2:50:34] I moats
[2:50:36] noticed unequal public
[2:50:37] comment.
[2:50:40] Some folks goover by 15 seconds
[2:50:42] and some by a minute or two
[2:50:42] minutes.
[2:50:44] I think it can be solvable.
[2:50:47] In terms of access, althea
[2:50:49] mentioned it at the last
[2:50:50] meeting, but things like food
[2:50:52] and childcare access and not
[2:50:54] going overtime is a good
[2:50:55] practice to make the council
[2:50:58] more accessible to regular
[2:50:58] folks.
[2:50:59] That's something this council
[2:51:03] could easily do and make some
[2:51:05] steps towards.
[2:51:06] Thank you for your time.
[2:51:07] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,
[2:51:11] that concludes general public
[2:51:13] comment.
[2:51:16] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you, MR.
[2:51:16] Cornelius.
[2:51:20] Councilor telles is having point
[2:51:21] of personal privilege.
[2:51:22] >>coun. Telles: I just wanted to
[2:51:24] make a quick clarification to
[2:51:27] some folks regarding the flock
[2:51:27] safety.
[2:51:30] I have been looking into this
[2:51:30] issue.
[2:51:34] I want to let you all know that
[2:51:40] we have not, at this point,
[2:51:42] found any direct contact or
[2:51:44] purchase orders with flock
[2:51:44] safety.
[2:51:46] My understanding that apd
[2:51:51] currently utilizes vigilant
[2:51:52] solutions for the automatic
[2:51:55] license plate readers.
[2:52:00] And we are definitely doing our
[2:52:03] vigilance and due diligence to
[2:52:06] understand how data is stored --
[2:52:09] what data restrictions are in
[2:52:11] place and what that sort of
[2:52:13] looks like.
[2:52:16] Just so the public is aware of
[2:52:18] what that kind of looks like, we
[2:52:21] don't at this point that I know
[2:52:25] of have any contracts with flock
[2:52:25] safety.
[2:52:30] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[2:52:31] >>coun. Pe}a: vice PRESIDENT
[2:52:31] Champine.
[2:52:33] >>coun. Champine: I believe cao
[2:52:35] sengel would like to speak on
[2:52:35] that.
[2:52:37] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[2:52:39] champine, councilor telles, city
[2:52:40] of albuquerque does not have any
[2:52:43] flock cameras or flock
[2:52:47] contracts.
[2:52:49] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you, MADAM
[2:52:49] Cao.
[2:52:52] We're now on approvals.
[2:52:54] Ec-195 authorization for social
[2:52:55] service agreement with new
[2:52:57] mexico veterans integration
[2:53:03] centers utilizing opioid
[2:53:04] settlement fund appropriations
[2:53:07] as outlined in city council
[2:53:09] resolution 125-28.
[2:53:12] We have a few of those contracts
[2:53:13] coming up.
[2:53:17] I move approval.
[2:53:20] There's a second by committee of
[2:53:21] the whole chair grout.
[2:53:22] She has a couple questions.
[2:53:26] If we can have the staff come
[2:53:35] up.
[2:53:36] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[2:53:36] PRESIDENT.
[2:53:40] Thank you for being here,
[2:53:40] director.
[2:53:42] I am pleased to see this
[2:53:45] contract, but my question is,
[2:53:47] can you tell us what the
[2:53:48] veterans integration center -- I
[2:53:54] know it's for services for $1.5
[2:53:56] million.
[2:53:57] Endorphin power company is
[2:54:01] getting 6.9-plus million.
[2:54:02] What are we getting for that?
[2:54:05] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[2:54:08] grout, for endorphin power
[2:54:10] company -- it's construction.
[2:54:11] They're going to be doing work
[2:54:12] on their campus.
[2:54:14] We'll be able to expand their
[2:54:15] capacity to provide services on
[2:54:19] their campus.
[2:54:20] >>coun. Grout: okay.
[2:54:22] Expand their campus.
[2:54:24] Would you tell me where the
[2:54:26] campus is?
[2:54:30] >> it's on zuni near the cares
[2:54:30] campus.
[2:54:32] >>coun. Grout: that's what I
[2:54:32] thought.
[2:54:36] MADAM PRESIDENT, is it housing
[2:54:38] or is it workshop?
[2:54:39] What is it?
[2:54:41] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[2:54:42] grout, endorphin power company
[2:54:44] are renovating one of the
[2:54:46] existing -- the original
[2:54:47] buildings.
[2:54:48] They're going to build
[2:54:49] additional case management
[2:54:50] spaces and provide additional
[2:54:55] education and group spaces.
[2:54:56] That's in a nutshell.
[2:54:59] That seems like not much for $7
[2:55:00] million.
[2:55:00] >>coun. Grout: when are they
[2:55:01] going to start this?
[2:55:03] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[2:55:05] grout, the contract negotiations
[2:55:07] with endorphin power company and
[2:55:10] serenity mesa are still ongoing.
[2:55:12] These are more complicated
[2:55:14] contracts due to intricacies
[2:55:17] with the anti-donation.
[2:55:19] But they both are ready to start
[2:55:24] within the time frames laid out
[2:55:25] in the strategic plan.
[2:55:26] >>coun. Grout: thank you.
[2:55:28] MADAM PRESIDENT, question for
[2:55:31] serenity mesa, I love this
[2:55:32] program.
[2:55:33] So much.
[2:55:34] I love everything that they do
[2:55:35] there.
[2:55:37] I support them 100%.
[2:55:39] What are we getting for $1.5
[2:55:40] million?
[2:55:41] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[2:55:44] grout, they're expanding
[2:55:47] their -- not their actual site,
[2:55:50] but they're renovating and up
[2:55:55] grading the housing piece that's
[2:55:56] off
[2:55:57] offsite.
[2:55:57] >>coun. Grout: it's like
[2:55:59] transitional housing?
[2:55:59] >> yes.
[2:56:01] >>coun. Grout: very good.
[2:56:03] and are they ready to go?
[2:56:04] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[2:56:07] grout, the same answer as the
[2:56:09] power company.
[2:56:10] Yes, they're be ready.
[2:56:11] >>coun. Grout: thank you.
[2:56:12] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[2:56:15] Any additional questions?
[2:56:15] Councilor rogers.
[2:56:18] And we have one person signed up
[2:56:20] to speak.
[2:56:21] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[2:56:23] This is part of the rfp for the
[2:56:26] opioid settlement dollars,
[2:56:26] correct?
[2:56:27] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[2:56:29] grout, this is part of the grant
[2:56:31] process as part of the opioid
[2:56:31] dollars.
[2:56:32] >>coun. Rogers: thank you so
[2:56:33] much.
[2:56:34] MADAM PRESIDENT, one of the
[2:56:37] things is the chair of the lgcc
[2:56:38] hadn't help
[2:56:41] that helped put this together is
[2:56:43] we wanted to prioritize those
[2:56:44] who weren't already getting
[2:56:45] funding.
[2:56:48] I saw from the rfp we gave extra
[2:56:50] points to folks who already had
[2:56:51] city contracts.
[2:56:53] Can you tell me why we went
[2:56:56] against what we were intending?
[2:56:59] Not that these programs aren't
[2:56:59] worthy.
[2:57:01] We really talk about the same
[2:57:02] old people getting the funding
[2:57:06] over and over and over and over
[2:57:06] again.
[2:57:10] And not opening it up to new
[2:57:10] providers.
[2:57:11] We talked about that a lot.
[2:57:14] When I read that in the rfp, I
[2:57:16] was a little taken aback.
[2:57:18] Can you tell me about why we did
[2:57:20] that?
[2:57:20] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[2:57:22] rogers, that is a really good
[2:57:23] question.
[2:57:25] I'd like to do research and have
[2:57:27] an answer question and give that
[2:57:28] to you tomorrow.
[2:57:30] I know our capacity building we
[2:57:32] did prioritize agencies who have
[2:57:34] had not historically had
[2:57:35] contracts.
[2:57:37] I need -- I want to make sure I
[2:57:38] answer your question correctly.
[2:57:39] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[2:57:40] PRESIDENT.
[2:57:41] I would appreciate that.
[2:57:42] I think endorphin power company
[2:57:45] is a newer provider with the
[2:57:46] city.
[2:57:48] They've been doing work with the
[2:57:49] county.
[2:57:52] I see that with endorphin power
[2:57:52] companies.
[2:57:53] I'm disappointed to see they're
[2:57:55] not going to expand housing.
[2:57:57] They do a really great job about
[2:58:00] housing with substance abuse not
[2:58:03] just building rooms.
[2:58:07] I would hope they would be
[2:58:10] expanding that.
[2:58:12] I would love -- I read through
[2:58:13] the contract and everything, but
[2:58:15] I think that was my biggest
[2:58:17] question is not expanding
[2:58:20] housing to that big amount of
[2:58:20] dollars.
[2:58:22] Just would love some more
[2:58:23] information about that for this
[2:58:25] amount of funding.
[2:58:27] That we're not expanding
[2:58:28] housing.
[2:58:29] Transitional housing with
[2:58:31] substance abuse care.
[2:58:32] Which they're great at.
[2:58:35] I would like to see them do
[2:58:36] more.
[2:58:37] >>coun. Pe}a: vice PRESIDENT
[2:58:37] Champine.
[2:58:38] >>coun. Champine: a good segue
[2:58:41] from that into my only really
[2:58:41] question.
[2:58:42] I just wanted to understand a
[2:58:44] little better, how is the amount
[2:58:45] awarded determined?
[2:58:48] I say this because each one seem
[2:58:51] to be -- the two seem to be low,
[2:58:53] but there's lot -- yeah.
[2:58:57] Double than what the other two
[2:58:58] are, combined.
[2:58:59] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[2:59:01] champine, they were awarded
[2:59:02] based on some of the parameters
[2:59:04] that we put in rfp.
[2:59:06] One of the parameters we placed
[2:59:09] in the rfp was project could not
[2:59:12] exceed $7.5 million, which was
[2:59:14] part of the lgc and city council
[2:59:15] approved strategic plan.
[2:59:17] Also we capped the services at
[2:59:18] 15%.
[2:59:22] We interrupted the 15% of the
[2:59:24] operating to also improve
[2:59:24] services.
[2:59:27] That's why you see new mexico
[2:59:30] vic at $1.5 million.
[2:59:31] That's 15%.
[2:59:33] And also based on what they
[2:59:36] actually ask for.
[2:59:39] We prioritize in accordance to
[2:59:42] the score and based on what the
[2:59:46] agencies asked for in the
[2:59:47] proposals.
[2:59:48] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[2:59:48] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[2:59:49] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[2:59:51] Any other questions?
[2:59:52] We'll go to our public
[2:59:55] commenter.
[2:59:56] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[3:00:15] Lisa to speak.
[3:00:16] >> hello.
[3:00:22] I was unpapered because I was
[3:00:23] distracted.
[3:00:23] I'm sorry.
[3:00:27] Thank you to everyone who has
[3:00:32] been working on our very nuanced
[3:00:33] layered onion project.
[3:00:37] We have a proposal, if you're
[3:00:38] interested in the next remainder
[3:00:41] of the year, some of the very
[3:00:43] difficult ideas.
[3:00:44] Sidewalk ordinance and
[3:00:47] moratorium on sweeps, the need
[3:00:49] for tents.
[3:00:51] We in our group have started
[3:00:54] talking about the pros and cons.
[3:00:57] It's not always clear-cut and
[3:00:57] dry.
[3:00:59] Because there's always good and
[3:00:59] bad.
[3:01:02] We seem to be getting into
[3:01:03] division and these conflicts and
[3:01:05] arguing and fighting as
[3:01:07] community and friends and
[3:01:07] families.
[3:01:09] Maybe what if we -- I really
[3:01:10] appreciate the deferment.
[3:01:14] What if we had more time?
[3:01:15] Because from the time it's on
[3:01:17] the committee stuff and by the
[3:01:19] time it gets on the agenda, how
[3:01:21] have we as the community had
[3:01:22] opportunity to talk about some
[3:01:24] of these things so we're here
[3:01:26] fighting over it or sitting next
[3:01:28] to people we really might be in
[3:01:29] agreement if we had more
[3:01:30] information.
[3:01:32] How could we develop something
[3:01:34] in between before it gets to
[3:01:37] here and let some of us help
[3:01:39] communicate?
[3:01:42] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:01:43] Final speaker?
[3:01:46] >> yes, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[3:01:47] >>coun. Pe}a: seeing no other
[3:01:48] discussion.
[3:01:51] I would urge your support for
[3:01:52] r-25-128.
[3:01:58] [Roll call].
[3:02:01] -- I believe we were on ec-195.
[3:02:02] Prac roll call].
[3:02:04] [Roll call].
[3:02:05] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:02:07] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:02:09] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:02:11] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:02:13] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:02:15] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[3:02:17] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:02:18] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:02:19] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[3:02:22] >> passes unanimously.
[3:02:23] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:02:31] Just so the public knows,
[3:02:33] --
[3:02:34] ec-196 approval requested to
[3:02:38] increase funding for fy27
[3:02:39] substance abuse treatment
[3:02:40] voucher contract with
[3:02:41] albuquerque behavioral health.
[3:02:43] I move approval.
[3:02:44] There's a motion and a second by
[3:02:47] committee of the whole chair
[3:02:47] grout.
[3:02:50] We started with comments first.
[3:02:53] We can start there again.
[3:02:54] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.
[3:02:55] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[3:02:56] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[3:02:57] I don't know who to direct this
[3:02:58] to.
[3:03:02] It has to do with 96-97.
[3:03:05] It will be the same question.
[3:03:07] Reading through this, I just
[3:03:08] jotted down a few things.
[3:03:09] My first question is the
[3:03:11] contract date.
[3:03:15] It seems to start JULY 1st at
[3:03:18] 100,000 and why now are we
[3:03:20] asking for triple the amount?
[3:03:23] >> we go based on historical
[3:03:26] contracts with engendered and
[3:03:27] albuquerque behavioral health.
[3:03:30] They will exceed $100,000 before
[3:03:30] mid-year.
[3:03:35] We are based on clients we see,
[3:03:37] we know this is how much they'll
[3:03:39] need for the whole year.
[3:03:40] >>coun. Champine: MADAM
[3:03:41] PRESIDENT, if we knew that going
[3:03:44] in, why not ask for the $300,000
[3:03:46] before JULY 1st when the
[3:03:48] contract started?
[3:03:49] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:03:50] champine, that's to ensure
[3:03:52] continuity of care.
[3:03:54] Whenever we're executing
[3:03:56] contracts, it was to give them
[3:03:58] $100,000 to start and have
[3:04:00] enough time for them to continue
[3:04:03] operating or providing services
[3:04:05] from JUNE 30th.
[3:04:07] They have existing clients.
[3:04:10] After the budget is approved for
[3:04:10] fy27.
[3:04:14] We're in a bit of a tight
[3:04:17] window.
[3:04:21] >>coun. Champine: okay.
[3:04:24] Seeing there's these three, how
[3:04:26] many substance abuse treatment
[3:04:27] contracts are out there right
[3:04:27] now.
[3:04:29] These are three we're talking
[3:04:30] about.
[3:04:31] How many more are there?
[3:04:32] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:04:35] champine, specific to providing
[3:04:37] addiction treatment and healing,
[3:04:39] which is engenered and
[3:04:40] albuquerque behavioral health,
[3:04:41] we have five contractors this
[3:04:41] year.
[3:04:45] Several of them are smaller
[3:04:46] providers.
[3:04:48] And provide less than $100,000
[3:04:50] worth of services.
[3:04:52] We're monitoring that closely.
[3:04:54] If we see one needs additional
[3:04:55] dollars, we'll bring that
[3:04:59] contract forward as well.
[3:05:02] We have other substance
[3:05:04] addiction providers but in this
[3:05:06] program there's five.
[3:05:07] >>coun. Champine: MADAM
[3:05:09] PRESIDENT, again, I get what
[3:05:10] you're saying.
[3:05:11] I'm having a hard time
[3:05:12] swallowing the fact that we know
[3:05:15] what they usually spend and we
[3:05:19] know they go over $100,000 but
[3:05:21] we're going to ask and come back
[3:05:22] for more.
[3:05:23] Do you understand my point?
[3:05:25] If we know they're going to go
[3:05:27] over, then give us a good
[3:05:28] picture going forward with it.
[3:05:30] Maybe that's just me not
[3:05:33] understanding it properly.
[3:05:34] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:05:38] champine, I understand what
[3:05:39] you're saying.
[3:05:40] We'll see if next year we're
[3:05:43] able to put forward a contract
[3:05:48] after the budget's approved.
[3:05:51] because it meets a certain
[3:05:52] threshold and have it in place
[3:05:54] prior to JULY 1.
[3:05:55] >>coun. Champine: thank you.
[3:05:57] >> it's a bit of a timing issue.
[3:05:58] >>coun. Champine: thank you.
[3:05:59] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:05:59] Councilor grout.
[3:06:01] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[3:06:02] PRESIDENT.
[3:06:05] I have a question about -- this
[3:06:06] contract requires the provider
[3:06:08] to participate in the
[3:06:09] implementation of the cap
[3:06:11] voucher database.
[3:06:12] And it's our understanding that
[3:06:15] it's not ready yet.
[3:06:17] It's going to take longer for
[3:06:21] you guys to get that negotiated.
[3:06:30] Can you tell us --
[3:06:33] >> we had to go back and forth
[3:06:33] with that contract.
[3:06:36] I talked to our division manager
[3:06:36] today.
[3:06:39] I think it needs one final
[3:06:40] review and it will move to
[3:06:41] execution.
[3:06:42] We expect the contract will move
[3:06:44] to execution with the database
[3:06:45] provider.
[3:06:46] We expect they're going to take
[3:06:48] this first part of this fiscal
[3:06:51] year to build it out and by
[3:06:54] JANUARY we should have it
[3:06:55] operational.
[3:06:57] >>coun. Grout: very good.
[3:06:57] Thank you.
[3:06:58] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers.
[3:07:01] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[3:07:02] PRESIDENT.
[3:07:03] I appreciate this contract has
[3:07:06] some very specific things for
[3:07:10] process descriptions and data
[3:07:12] that we're getting from the
[3:07:12] providers.
[3:07:14] I thank you, councilor grout,
[3:07:16] for bringing up the database.
[3:07:17] We're waiting for outcomes on
[3:07:18] there.
[3:07:20] I want to make sure these
[3:07:22] contracts -- also with the
[3:07:26] opioid settlement dashboard.
[3:07:28] One thing I found interesting
[3:07:30] was the qualification.
[3:07:33] This is for the past substance
[3:07:34] abuse treatment provider
[3:07:35] network.
[3:07:36] For exhibit a, it says
[3:07:38] identification of clients who
[3:07:40] are eligible for treatment
[3:07:43] subsidies is part of the
[3:07:45] standard process of agencies.
[3:07:48] Eligibility is defined as
[3:07:50] clients who meet all established
[3:07:50] criteria.
[3:07:52] And there's six of them.
[3:07:54] One, they need substance use
[3:07:57] treatment defined as having a
[3:07:59] substance within the last two
[3:08:00] year, which I'm grateful for.
[3:08:02] We have some folks who I was
[3:08:03] trying to get help this weekend
[3:08:07] through acs but wanted to go to
[3:08:10] mac but haven't used in two
[3:08:10] weeks.
[3:08:11] The gentleman said I'm going to
[3:08:12] go use.
[3:08:14] I'm going to go real quick to
[3:08:16] central and use real quick so
[3:08:18] they'll take me.
[3:08:21] Which is a disastrous outcome.
[3:08:24] We need to work on that.
[3:08:26] We tried to get them on that and
[3:08:27] they were turned away because
[3:08:29] they haven't used within the
[3:08:30] last two weeks.
[3:08:32] I appreciate the city saying two
[3:08:35] years because we know this is
[3:08:37] getting someone out of substance
[3:08:38] abuse is lot.
[3:08:42] These are the ones I'm concerned
[3:08:44] about.
[3:08:46] Do not receive full medicaid
[3:08:47] benefits.
[3:08:49] So, is this provider able to
[3:08:53] bill for medicaid?
[3:08:56] So they will be -- if you have
[3:08:57] medicaid we'll bill under this
[3:08:59] and if they don't their only
[3:09:01] billing the city of albuquerque
[3:09:01] for those?
[3:09:03] Because that was interesting to
[3:09:03] read that.
[3:09:05] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:09:06] rogers, yes.
[3:09:08] In fact, our providers are
[3:09:10] expected to bill medicaid.
[3:09:12] Additionally, the reason we
[3:09:15] utilize the term full medicaid
[3:09:17] benefits because at one time
[3:09:19] they had family plans and that
[3:09:20] didn't cover any behavioral
[3:09:21] health.
[3:09:23] We wanted to make sure if you
[3:09:26] had that type of medicaid which
[3:09:27] didn't cover behavioral health
[3:09:28] services you would still be
[3:09:30] eligible for this program.
[3:09:31] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[3:09:32] PRESIDENT.
[3:09:35] The next one was have commercial
[3:09:36] insurance that covers the cost
[3:09:38] of behavioral health services to
[3:09:42] the deductible greater than
[3:09:45] $2500 or copay is $35 or more.
[3:09:46] Talk to me about that.
[3:09:48] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:09:49] rogers, what we're finding is
[3:09:51] people in the very low income,
[3:09:53] sometimes they MAY have
[3:09:54] commercial insurance, but that
[3:09:57] copay or deductive was too
[3:09:59] challenging for them to meet and
[3:10:00] still receive behavioral health.
[3:10:02] We added that to make sure we're
[3:10:05] covering the people who weren't
[3:10:06] covered in areas for services.
[3:10:07] >>coun. Rogers: wonderful.
[3:10:08] Thank you.
[3:10:11] Last question is just how do
[3:10:13] these providers give us all of
[3:10:14] this information.
[3:10:15] One of the things they're
[3:10:18] required to do is summarize the
[3:10:20] client's pattern of drug and
[3:10:21] alcohol use over time.
[3:10:23] Including how and why the
[3:10:25] problems began, describe any
[3:10:28] triggers to use the client's
[3:10:30] readiness for treatment and
[3:10:32] describe the client's experience
[3:10:34] and level of success.
[3:10:36] Including when they were in
[3:10:37] treatment and what type of
[3:10:38] treatment.
[3:10:39] Include information about why
[3:10:41] the client began using
[3:10:42] substances again.
[3:10:45] There's a whole a through I.
[3:10:47] How is the department going to
[3:10:49] get that information and share
[3:10:50] it so we can see it?
[3:10:53] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:10:54] rogers, what you're reading from
[3:10:56] is defining how expectations of
[3:10:59] how they're conducting an
[3:11:00] addition assessment.
[3:11:04] Those are required components.
[3:11:08] Due to higher standards for
[3:11:09] confidentiality for substance
[3:11:10] abuse treatment.
[3:11:12] They're expected to maintain
[3:11:14] that in the file.
[3:11:17] We have consult
[3:11:18] suality
[3:11:21] sultants monitor.
[3:11:23] To make sure they're having good
[3:11:24] clinical standards.
[3:11:25] Based on the assessment they're
[3:11:27] required to do a treatment plant
[3:11:28] and quarterly treatment plan
[3:11:29] updates.
[3:11:30] We don't actually receive this
[3:11:31] information and we shouldn't.
[3:11:32] But we do check to make sure
[3:11:34] this information is maintained
[3:11:38] in the file in accordance with
[3:11:39] procedures.
[3:11:39] >>coun. Rogers: in that unless,
[3:11:42] do we ever take those nuggets
[3:11:46] and help us design our programs?
[3:11:47] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:11:48] rogers, I'm so glad you're
[3:11:49] asking these questions.
[3:11:50] In addition, there's some
[3:11:51] additionalal information that we
[3:11:54] do ask them to collect.
[3:11:56] They're called outcomes reports.
[3:11:59] It's used for two decades.
[3:12:01] They're expected to show there's
[3:12:03] some type of progress.
[3:12:05] And sometimes in our clients we
[3:12:06] see have they established with a
[3:12:07] primary care doctor.
[3:12:09] That is a positive outcome.
[3:12:11] Those are the outcomes we looked
[3:12:12] at over time.
[3:12:15] And they also maintain that in
[3:12:17] they're file.
[3:12:18] >>coun. Rogers: those are what
[3:12:20] we should see on the dashboard?
[3:12:22] >> those are the outcomes we
[3:12:24] want to see that we hope to have
[3:12:24] operational.
[3:12:26] That we'll have operational in
[3:12:29] this fiscal year.
[3:12:30] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[3:12:32] We need to have it ready and
[3:12:33] ready to go.
[3:12:34] I know our teams are working
[3:12:35] hard on that.
[3:12:40] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[3:12:41] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:12:43] Seeing no other questions, our
[3:12:47] public commenter took her name
[3:12:51] off.
[3:12:53] With that, I urge your support
[3:12:57] on ec-196.
[3:12:59] [Roll call].
[3:13:01] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:13:03] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:13:04] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:13:07] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:13:09] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:13:10] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[3:13:13] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:13:14] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:13:15] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[3:13:17] >> passes unanimously.
[3:13:18] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:13:21] We're now on ec-197 under
[3:13:21] approvals.
[3:13:26] I move approval of the requested
[3:13:29] increase funding for the fy27
[3:13:31] substance abuse treatment
[3:13:33] contract with engender
[3:13:33] incorporated.
[3:13:34] I move approval.
[3:13:38] There's a motion, and a second
[3:13:40] by vice PRESIDENT Champine.
[3:13:41] we'll start with comments from
[3:13:45] the councilors.
[3:13:46] I see none.
[3:13:48] We have anyone signed up to
[3:13:48] speak.
[3:13:49] There is no one signed up to
[3:13:50] speak.
[3:13:53] I urge your support on this.
[3:13:55] [Roll call].
[3:13:57] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:13:59] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:14:01] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:14:03] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:14:05] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:14:07] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[3:14:08] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:14:10] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:14:10] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[3:14:12] >> passes unanimously.
[3:14:13] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:14:14] We're now on item 14.
[3:14:16] Final actions.
[3:14:16] Councilor grout and councilor
[3:14:19] fiebelkorn.
[3:14:20] O-32.
[3:14:23] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[3:14:26] PRESIDENT.
[3:14:28] Amending the secondhand
[3:14:31] catalytic converter purchase
[3:14:33] ordinance and renaming it the
[3:14:35] sale of recycled materials
[3:14:36] ordinance and expanding the
[3:14:38] scope to cover copper or brass
[3:14:40] materials and updating reporting
[3:14:42] and record keeping requirements
[3:14:44] andmanidating the form of tender
[3:14:46] for transactions for this
[3:14:46] ordinance.
[3:14:50] I move do pass.
[3:14:50] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.
[3:14:51] Sdmrp
[3:14:53] .
[3:14:55] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[3:14:57] and a second by councilor
[3:14:58] fiebelkorn.
[3:15:00] I'm going to go to public
[3:15:00] comment.
[3:15:01] There's none.
[3:15:01] Thank you.
[3:15:06] Any questions from councilors?
[3:15:08] open from councilor grout.
[3:15:11] Or councilor fiebelkorn.
[3:15:12] >>coun. Grout: thank you.
[3:15:15] I want to thank councilor
[3:15:16] fiebelkorn for co-sponsoring
[3:15:17] this with me.
[3:15:21] Four years ago, we brought the
[3:15:23] secondhand catalytic converter
[3:15:24] ordinance to the public.
[3:15:28] And we have seen a dramatic
[3:15:32] change -- drop in theft.
[3:15:35] And I have been -- I can
[3:15:37] honestly say I believe this has
[3:15:37] helped.
[3:15:42] We also had our partners at the
[3:15:45] county, they also passed that
[3:15:46] ordinance.
[3:15:46] I think that also helped.
[3:15:48] And we went to the state.
[3:15:50] And did the same thing.
[3:15:52] I think when you work together
[3:15:54] it can do great things.
[3:15:57] We continue to have problems
[3:16:01] with copper theft.
[3:16:04] Last year, it's been over a
[3:16:06] year, since the copper has been
[3:16:08] stripped out of the lights on
[3:16:10] east central.
[3:16:13] They dramatically changed -- it
[3:16:17] has been so dark up there.
[3:16:19] Pnm had to totally go through
[3:16:22] different measures to bring it
[3:16:22] back.
[3:16:23] And we're slowly getting it
[3:16:24] back.
[3:16:26] This can all be avoided if we
[3:16:27] make it a little more tough on
[3:16:29] the people that are selling it.
[3:16:32] Not the retailers that are
[3:16:32] buying it.
[3:16:34] That's not my intent.
[3:16:36] But to make it a little harder
[3:16:37] for the people that should not
[3:16:44] be selling it.
[3:16:45] I'm going to have -- we do have
[3:16:46] amendments.
[3:16:50] I will tell you that we worked
[3:16:52] with the community -- the
[3:16:53] recyclers in the community.
[3:16:55] It was great.
[3:16:57] we brought apd together with us.
[3:16:59] Our council staff together.
[3:17:01] And so that collaboration, I
[3:17:03] really think we have come up
[3:17:04] with a good document.
[3:17:06] We have several amendments.
[3:17:08] Again we want to make sure it's
[3:17:09] tough on the people that
[3:17:11] shouldn't be selling it, and
[3:17:13] okay for the people that are
[3:17:14] selling it.
[3:17:18] I think a lot of these
[3:17:19] amendments will be good for
[3:17:19] that.
[3:17:25] I would like to ask victor, our
[3:17:28] council counsel to go over what
[3:17:31] this bill does.
[3:17:33] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,
[3:17:35] this bill does four principle
[3:17:36] things.
[3:17:39] First of all, it amends the
[3:17:42] secondhand catalytic converter
[3:17:43] purchase ordinance to cover
[3:17:45] copper and brass material.
[3:17:49] We to do this because there's
[3:17:50] changes to state law that allow
[3:17:52] for record keeping and reporting
[3:17:55] requirements to include copper.
[3:17:58] Second, like I alluded, this
[3:18:00] updates the record and record
[3:18:02] keeping requirements for those
[3:18:03] types of purchases.
[3:18:04] This allows for the record
[3:18:05] keeping and reporting of
[3:18:08] catalytic converters.
[3:18:11] And record keeping of copper and
[3:18:12] brass material.
[3:18:16] Current state law does not
[3:18:17] require secondhand them to
[3:18:19] report copper and brass
[3:18:20] materials.
[3:18:22] This does not require reporting
[3:18:23] for copper and brass it requires
[3:18:25] record keeping.
[3:18:26] Third, this ordinance
[3:18:28] establishes a holding period for
[3:18:31] both catalytic converters and
[3:18:34] copper and brass material for
[3:18:36] the investigation that needs to
[3:18:38] be conducted for those materials
[3:18:42] by apd or by an investigator as
[3:18:44] authorized by the ordinance.
[3:18:46] Last, this ordinance requires
[3:18:49] that transactions in the current
[3:18:52] form -- requires it's done with
[3:18:53] check not cash.
[3:18:56] That was a specific ask by the
[3:18:58] partners at apd to help in
[3:19:01] investigations to track the
[3:19:04] purchases and the use of those
[3:19:08] funds that are coming from
[3:19:10] illicitly gained catalytic
[3:19:13] converters or copper and brass
[3:19:14] material.
[3:19:15] >>coun. Grout: thank you.
[3:19:16] At this time, MADAM PRESIDENT,
[3:19:19] I'd like to offer some
[3:19:19] amendments.
[3:19:23] We'll start with floor amendment
[3:19:23] a.
[3:19:26] That will be our first one.
[3:19:30] Again, going back, working with
[3:19:34] the vendors, these were -- and
[3:19:39] their lobbyists, they we work
[3:19:42] together to come up with these
[3:19:42] ideas to this.
[3:19:44] I'm not going to read the whole
[3:19:44] thing.
[3:19:46] I'm going to read the
[3:19:46] explanation.
[3:19:49] This first amendment changes the
[3:19:50] holding period for copper and
[3:19:52] brass materials to seven days
[3:19:55] for all sellers aside from a new
[3:19:57] seller classification.
[3:19:58] We have different
[3:20:00] classifications here now.
[3:20:02] Verified commercial sellers, and
[3:20:04] they're verified commercial
[3:20:04] sellers.
[3:20:08] But there are a lot of vendors.
[3:20:11] And plumbers, and construction
[3:20:13] folks, that these recyclers see
[3:20:14] all the time.
[3:20:16] So they know them and they're
[3:20:18] very familiar with them.
[3:20:20] That's how this came about.
[3:20:22] Due to the volume of copper and
[3:20:24] brass materials sold by verified
[3:20:27] commercial sellers, and
[3:20:31] regularity of their sales to
[3:20:34] secondhand material metal
[3:20:35] dealers cannot physically keep
[3:20:37] the volume of copper and brass
[3:20:39] material for seven days.
[3:20:41] Further, the purpose of this
[3:20:42] ordinance is to frustrate sale
[3:20:49] of illicit-sourced copper or
[3:20:51] brass.
[3:20:53] Verified brass sellers are not
[3:20:56] the target of the evils sought
[3:20:58] to be remedied by the ordinance.
[3:21:00] As such a verified commercial
[3:21:03] seller provides additional
[3:21:06] information such as industrial
[3:21:07] specific identification, copper
[3:21:09] and brass materials sold by a
[3:21:12] contractor MAY be sold or
[3:21:14] disposed of in a shorter time
[3:21:17] frame than other purchasers.
[3:21:18] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.
[3:21:19] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[3:21:22] and a second by councilor
[3:21:24] fiebelkorn for floor amendment
[3:21:25] abled a.
[3:21:27] It will become floor amendment
[3:21:28] number one.
[3:21:32] Any discussion on the amendment?
[3:21:34] [Roll call].
[3:21:36] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:21:38] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:21:40] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:21:41] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:21:48] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:21:49] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[3:21:52] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:21:53] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:21:55] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[3:21:58] >> passes on an 8-1 vote.
[3:22:00] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor
[3:22:02] amendment labeled b in your
[3:22:02] packet.
[3:22:03] It will be floor amendment
[3:22:05] number two.
[3:22:06] Councilor grout.
[3:22:07] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[3:22:07] PRESIDENT.
[3:22:10] Floor amendment number two, this
[3:22:12] is one is payment by check.
[3:22:15] This was specifically asked by
[3:22:15] apd.
[3:22:19] Secondhand metal dealer or
[3:22:20] dealers agent employee or
[3:22:23] representative shall pay for all
[3:22:24] purchases above $50 subject to
[3:22:27] the ordinance only by check.
[3:22:28] No person shall structure divide
[3:22:31] or separate a transaction into
[3:22:32] multiple purchases for the
[3:22:34] purpose of evading this
[3:22:35] requirement.
[3:22:37] And multiple purchases from the
[3:22:39] same seller occurring within the
[3:22:42] same business day shall be
[3:22:45] aggregated the purposes of
[3:22:47] determining whether the $50
[3:22:49] threshold has been met.
[3:22:50] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.
[3:22:51] >>coun. Pe}a: motion, and second
[3:22:52] by councilor fiebelkorn, for
[3:22:53] floor amendment number two.
[3:22:58] Any discussion?
[3:22:58] Councilor lewis.
[3:23:01] >>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[3:23:01] thank you.
[3:23:03] Is there someone from apd that
[3:23:04] might be able to address some
[3:23:10] questions regarding this?
[3:23:11] >>coun. Pe}a: they're working
[3:23:13] their way to the podium.
[3:23:15] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, commander
[3:23:21] sanchez is here.
[3:23:27] >>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[3:23:31] thank you.
[3:23:34] How many -- what we call
[3:23:37] vendors, how many secondhand
[3:23:39] vendors in the city of
[3:23:39] albuquerque?
[3:23:41] >> currently, we have five or
[3:23:42] six in the city.
[3:23:45] The rest is in the county of
[3:23:45] bernalillo.
[3:23:48] >>coun. Lewis: five or six.
[3:23:51] They already go through a
[3:23:53] pretty -- they're required under
[3:23:59] state laws to go through
[3:24:00] extensive -- they have to
[3:24:04] understand and know who their
[3:24:08] purchasing from.
[3:24:11] I guess, tell me about the
[3:24:13] cases, or how many cases you
[3:24:16] have where you discovered the
[3:24:19] purchase of stolen property by
[3:24:21] the vendors?
[3:24:21] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:24:24] lewis, as far as specific cases
[3:24:26] within the last year, and going
[3:24:29] back into 2025, a large number
[3:24:31] that we received is a lot of the
[3:24:33] cell phone towers that have been
[3:24:34] hit, which have taken a lot of
[3:24:36] the copper.
[3:24:39] We've also had some memorials
[3:24:40] that have been taken.
[3:24:43] Yes, the state does have some
[3:24:44] stringent enforcement policies
[3:24:50] in place, however, the way this
[3:24:52] amendment makes it is to give
[3:24:54] law enforcement some better
[3:24:57] tracking purposes as far as
[3:24:58] looking back to see who sold it
[3:25:01] to make sure that they're not
[3:25:04] using fictitious drivers license
[3:25:06] to present they're selling this
[3:25:10] metal to the secondhand sellers.
[3:25:15] And also, it gives us kind of a
[3:25:16] deterrent, especially whenever
[3:25:18] you're looking at the check.
[3:25:20] Whenever you're paying, instead
[3:25:24] of cash, you're not getting
[3:25:26] instant gratification for
[3:25:27] individuals stealing from the
[3:25:28] citizens and taking the copper
[3:25:31] and providing larger monetary
[3:25:33] value to the damage that's done
[3:25:35] to get some of this copper.
[3:25:38] As far as when you look at the
[3:25:39] cases, we looked at what would
[3:25:41] be best suited to work with not
[3:25:44] only the citizens but also the
[3:25:44] businesses.
[3:25:47] So that way we can combat the
[3:25:48] crime and make sure we're
[3:25:50] providing a deterrent but also
[3:25:52] being fair to the businesses and
[3:25:55] also the citizens.
[3:25:57] >>coun. Lewis: I know there's
[3:25:58] already a pretty extensive
[3:26:01] amount of deterrence, what
[3:26:02] evidence do you have this is
[3:26:07] being sold to these vendors?
[3:26:08] >> whenever there's a theft,
[3:26:12] whenever it's a large theft, we
[3:26:16] have our leads op
[3:26:17] nline and do
[3:26:19] copper theft or metal theft
[3:26:19] alerts.
[3:26:21] When those come in, we get
[3:26:21] those.
[3:26:23] Building those cases out as
[3:26:24] investigators, some of the
[3:26:26] things these amendments will
[3:26:28] cover will give us more teeth
[3:26:30] and more investigative leads to
[3:26:31] go after these individuals to
[3:26:34] find out who the ring leaders
[3:26:38] are to make sure the bad actors
[3:26:40] are held accountable for the
[3:26:40] actions.
[3:26:42] >>coun. Lewis: so there's five
[3:26:44] vendors in the city and you have
[3:26:46] zero evidence that stolen
[3:26:48] property is being sold to the
[3:26:48] vendors.
[3:26:49] What's your evidence?
[3:26:50] Tell me the evidence you have
[3:26:52] that this property is being sold
[3:26:54] to these five vendors in the
[3:26:54] city of albuquerque?
[3:26:56] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:26:59] lewis, the evidence is whenever
[3:27:02] the victims of these crimes call
[3:27:05] in and whenever we take the
[3:27:09] reports for the metal theft, we
[3:27:10] need ordinances like this to
[3:27:12] help us to prove that those
[3:27:16] individuals did take it to these
[3:27:17] metal sellers.
[3:27:19] These recycling places.
[3:27:22] So that way we can pinpoint this
[3:27:23] individual to being in that
[3:27:25] area, whether it be by video
[3:27:27] camera, surveillance camera, or
[3:27:28] forensic evidence located on
[3:27:30] scene to help build those cases.
[3:27:33] As it stands now, metal theft is
[3:27:37] a big issue within the city.
[3:27:39] Especially when it comes to
[3:27:40] copper theft.
[3:27:41] >>coun. Lewis: sir, I have no
[3:27:43] doubt that metal theft is a big
[3:27:43] issue in the city.
[3:27:45] But I also have no doubt that
[3:27:47] probably a large of that metal
[3:27:50] is being sold outside of our
[3:27:52] city and other states.
[3:27:56] I know that a lot of it goes to
[3:27:59] mexico.
[3:28:01] So, I believe the intentions are
[3:28:03] right.
[3:28:06] But for years and years, I know
[3:28:08] your department, this is one of
[3:28:10] the strategies to try and fight
[3:28:12] crime in the city.
[3:28:14] I do have a fundamental problem
[3:28:18] with efforts like this that put
[3:28:23] such a stringent hardship on
[3:28:26] good businesses that provide a
[3:28:28] service
[3:28:30] service.
[3:28:31] And really not having any kind
[3:28:34] of evidence that shows they've
[3:28:37] ever -- I'm sure it happens.
[3:28:40] But raising to a level of a
[3:28:42] massive problem where we put
[3:28:44] laws in place like this that
[3:28:49] just contained and constrict and
[3:28:52] restrict law-abiding citizens
[3:28:54] that want to do business in the
[3:28:55] city of albuquerque when we have
[3:28:57] no evidence that the problem is
[3:28:57] really centered there.
[3:28:59] The problem is behavior.
[3:29:02] The problem is the thefts going
[3:29:04] on around the city.
[3:29:06] I think in comparison the
[3:29:09] problem to pinpoint our efforts
[3:29:13] are not on these five
[3:29:17] businesses.
[3:29:20] Again, I also -- reading these
[3:29:21] bills, it's my understanding
[3:29:26] these are very dueplicative.
[3:29:31] These are restrictions in laws
[3:29:32] that these secondhand vendors
[3:29:37] are abiding by within our state.
[3:29:38] I think putting more and more
[3:29:42] laws on the books where we don't
[3:29:43] have evidence shows this is the
[3:29:56] heart
[3:29:58] I believe our intentions are
[3:30:00] right, I believe the sponsors's
[3:30:01] intentions are right.
[3:30:02] But I don't believe the focus
[3:30:06] should be on these, again, good
[3:30:07] businesses that provide a great
[3:30:13] service for our city.
[3:30:17] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[3:30:18] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:30:20] Thank you so much for answering
[3:30:22] those questions.
[3:30:24] I don't see anyone else.
[3:30:25] Any comments?
[3:30:27] You said you're good with no
[3:30:28] closing.
[3:30:31] >>coun. Grout: I urge your
[3:30:31] support.
[3:30:32] [Roll call].
[3:30:35] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:30:37] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:30:39] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:30:41] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:30:43] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:30:45] >>coun. Lewis: no.
[3:30:48] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:30:48] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:30:51] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[3:30:54] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.
[3:30:55] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor
[3:30:57] amendment labeled c.
[3:30:58] It will become floor amendment
[3:30:58] number three.
[3:30:59] Councilor grout.
[3:31:01] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[3:31:01] PRESIDENT.
[3:31:04] This amendment just adds in this
[3:31:08] ordinance's record keeping and
[3:31:10] requirements shall be construed
[3:31:12] and no more strangeant than the
[3:31:14] state's requirements.
[3:31:15] I move do pass.
[3:31:16] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[3:31:17] and a second by vice PRESIDENT
[3:31:17] Champine.
[3:31:19] >>coun. Grout: I would like to
[3:31:22] just mention we went on field
[3:31:23] trips.
[3:31:27] We went to one of the recycling
[3:31:27] vendor.
[3:31:29] And they walked us through the
[3:31:29] process.
[3:31:31] they also told us that there are
[3:31:35] times when people show up and
[3:31:37] they're afraid that they didn't
[3:31:40] come by that scrap honestly.
[3:31:43] So they will call in.
[3:31:47] And also, those bad actors learn
[3:31:49] that they won't be accepted
[3:31:51] there so they go to some other
[3:31:51] ones.
[3:31:53] There's a couple just right down
[3:31:54] the road from 2nd street.
[3:31:56] I think it might be in the
[3:31:57] county.
[3:32:00] I will say the county -- the
[3:32:01] county commissioner is very
[3:32:05] excited about bringing this to
[3:32:05] bernalillo county pause
[3:32:06] because we
[3:32:07] want to make sure all of the
[3:32:09] surrounding areas -- I do agree,
[3:32:10] sometimes they go down south.
[3:32:12] But we have to capture those
[3:32:14] ones around here.
[3:32:17] We did work with the vendors.
[3:32:18] I'll go back to that.
[3:32:24] They told us that these are best
[3:32:28] practices.
[3:32:29] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[3:32:30] and a second.
[3:32:34] [Roll call].
[3:32:36] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:32:37] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:32:39] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:32:42] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:32:44] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:32:47] >>coun. Lewis: no.
[3:32:49] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:32:50] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:32:51] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[3:32:54] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.
[3:32:55] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor
[3:32:58] amendment labeled d in your
[3:32:58] packet.
[3:33:00] It will become floor amendment
[3:33:01] number four.
[3:33:02] Councilor grout.
[3:33:03] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[3:33:05] PRESIDENT.
[3:33:06] Floor amendment four.
[3:33:07] Again, not going to read through
[3:33:10] the whole thing.
[3:33:12] It gives an alternative option
[3:33:15] for secondhand metal dealers to
[3:33:17] preserve a record of a catalytic
[3:33:19] converter or copper or brass
[3:33:20] material transaction via
[3:33:22] continuous video recording.
[3:33:28] Again, not wanting to make it so
[3:33:30] burdensome on it the vendors.
[3:33:34] The vendor we visited with, they
[3:33:35] actually have equipment and
[3:33:37] they're able to record when the
[3:33:38] vehicle drives up.
[3:33:42] And record that license plate.
[3:33:43] They're going to capture the
[3:33:44] person's face.
[3:33:47] And there's a process by how
[3:33:48] they go.
[3:33:50] And there are some small
[3:33:52] businesses that won't have the
[3:33:54] means to buy the fancy equipment
[3:33:55] yet.
[3:33:57] They will have to do it the
[3:34:01] old-fashioned way.
[3:34:01] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.
[3:34:02] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[3:34:03] and a second by councilor
[3:34:04] fiebelkorn, for floor amendment
[3:34:05] number four.
[3:34:08] Any questions from the
[3:34:08] councilors?
[3:34:09] Councilor rogers.
[3:34:10] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[3:34:11] PRESIDENT.
[3:34:13] I just want to ask the sponsor,
[3:34:15] given all the conversation we
[3:34:18] had about flock cameras during
[3:34:24] public comment, this is it MAY
[3:34:26] create, it doesn't require them.
[3:34:27] If they do they have to keep
[3:34:30] this for two months as outlined
[3:34:30] here?
[3:34:33] >>coun. Grout: I believe so.
[3:34:35] >> councilor pe}a, councilor
[3:34:36] rogers, that's correct.
[3:34:38] The reason being is the current
[3:34:42] state law is a permissive
[3:34:43] scheme.
[3:34:46] It states that a seller MAY take
[3:34:49] a digital photograph -- I'm
[3:34:52] sorry -- a secondhand metal
[3:34:53] dealer MAY take a photograph of
[3:34:54] a seller.
[3:34:56] This provides an alternative to
[3:34:58] serve as a best practices
[3:35:00] approach based on what we've
[3:35:02] seen with the industry to get a
[3:35:04] sense of an alternative version
[3:35:06] to make sure they can correctly
[3:35:07] have alternative ways of
[3:35:09] documenting the process.
[3:35:12] This is sort of a section of
[3:35:14] this bill is an aspirational
[3:35:18] best practices kind of structure
[3:35:22] so when there's a record being
[3:35:25] taken, the kind we sought during
[3:35:27] our field trip, so to speak,
[3:35:30] that really left an imprint on
[3:35:32] how these industries should be
[3:35:34] approaching records retention
[3:35:35] that best assist in further
[3:35:37] investigation should they arise.
[3:35:37] >>coun. Rogers: just a follow up
[3:35:38] to that.
[3:35:41] Just like the city of
[3:35:42] albuquerque must label that we
[3:35:44] have automatic speed cameras,
[3:35:47] for example, so folks know.
[3:35:49] Are businesses required to say
[3:35:53] we are -- you're under
[3:35:53] surveillance?
[3:35:54] Is there any requirements in
[3:35:57] this that says we have to
[3:35:58] actively let people know that's
[3:36:00] what's happening if they choose
[3:36:03] to patron that business?
[3:36:05] >> councilor rogers, this
[3:36:07] wouldn't require that those --
[3:36:09] there will be a notification
[3:36:10] that this kind of notification
[3:36:11] would be there.
[3:36:15] But the best practices we've
[3:36:17] seen from the metal center we
[3:36:19] went to make it very obvious.
[3:36:21] They indicate your picture will
[3:36:24] be taken and your id will be
[3:36:25] copied and information will be
[3:36:27] taken down about the vehicle
[3:36:28] that's going to be removed.
[3:36:29] When the material is being
[3:36:31] weighed, it won't be moved until
[3:36:32] documentation has been made of
[3:36:35] that material in terms of video
[3:36:39] from above or from the side.
[3:36:42] It is -- it's not only obvious,
[3:36:45] it's clear that the material and
[3:36:49] that the record that's being
[3:36:53] kept is evident.
[3:36:54] >>coun. Rogers: we saw that was
[3:36:55] a best practice but didn't make
[3:36:57] it a requirement?
[3:36:59] >> that's correct.
[3:37:00] >>coun. Rogers: would the
[3:37:03] sponsor be willing to have a
[3:37:04] friendly amendment that the
[3:37:06] business owner needs to have
[3:37:07] something displayed to meet the
[3:37:11] best practices of what you saw?
[3:37:12] If they're going to do this they
[3:37:16] should advertise that.
[3:37:17] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:37:18] rogers, I think an amendment
[3:37:20] that would be proposed and voted
[3:37:24] on would be an promote
[3:37:24] circumstance.
[3:37:26] For council, we have a standing
[3:37:28] resistance to friendly
[3:37:30] amendments as procedural point.
[3:37:32] As to an amendment, that could
[3:37:33] be something that could be
[3:37:36] discussed along the councilors.
[3:37:38] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[3:37:40] I appreciate what our staff
[3:37:40] prefers.
[3:37:42] My question is for the sponsor,
[3:37:46] if she would be open.
[3:37:46] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers,
[3:37:48] I think because there's no such
[3:37:51] things a friendly amendment, I
[3:37:53] think what you would have to do
[3:37:55] is propose it as an amendment to
[3:37:55] the amendment.
[3:37:56] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[3:37:56] PRESIDENT.
[3:37:58] When did that change?
[3:38:00] I've been here for three years
[3:38:03] and did a bunch of friendly
[3:38:03] amendments.
[3:38:04] >>coun. Pe}a: there's no such
[3:38:06] thing as a friendly amendment.
[3:38:07] >>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[3:38:08] since when?
[3:38:13] >>coun. Pe}a: in robert's rules.
[3:38:15] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[3:38:22] PRESIDENT, I'd love to see that.
[3:38:24] Oh, so I call it the amendment
[3:38:26] to the amendment, not friendly
[3:38:26] amendment.
[3:38:28] Thank you for helping me learn.
[3:38:30] Three years in, I'm still
[3:38:31] learning.
[3:38:32] I'd like to make an amendment to
[3:38:34] the amendment, to include
[3:38:37] language there has to be some
[3:38:38] type of notification to the
[3:38:39] public that this is taking
[3:38:39] place.
[3:38:40] Similar to what you saw in the
[3:38:44] best practices that you visited.
[3:38:45] >>coun. Pe}a: that was in the
[3:38:47] form of a motion?
[3:38:49] Is there a second?
[3:38:54] I'll second it.
[3:38:56] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[3:38:57] PRESIDENT.
[3:38:57] >>coun. Pe}a: any discussion on
[3:39:02] the amendment to the amendment?
[3:39:04] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, can you
[3:39:07] clarify what your secondary
[3:39:07] amendment is?
[3:39:08] >>coun. Rogers: what I would
[3:39:13] like to add is if businesses
[3:39:15] choose, MAY, they're not
[3:39:16] required to, if they choose to
[3:39:20] have this type of level of
[3:39:22] surveillance, they advertise
[3:39:24] that in some kind of signage.
[3:39:26] Whatever the best practice they
[3:39:28] saw when they went on the field
[3:39:28] trip.
[3:39:29] I don't know what that is
[3:39:31] because I didn't get to go.
[3:39:34] I'll maybe need to work with the
[3:39:35] sponsor to come up with the
[3:39:36] correct language.
[3:39:38] I see our team doing that.
[3:39:41] >>coun. Pe}a: they're working on
[3:39:42] drafting that.
[3:39:43] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[3:39:45] I have a question.
[3:39:46] if I'm understanding it
[3:39:47] correctly.
[3:39:49] This amendment is adding in a
[3:39:50] section.
[3:39:53] So the buyer would have to
[3:39:55] either take photographs of
[3:39:58] everything listed in this bill,
[3:40:01] or they MAY choose to do a video
[3:40:04] of all of these things.
[3:40:05] Is that correct?
[3:40:06] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:40:07] bassan, that's correct.
[3:40:12] >>coun. Bassan: thank you.
[3:40:13] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor
[3:40:13] fiebelkorn.
[3:40:14] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[3:40:14] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[3:40:17] I guess I just have a bigger
[3:40:18] question.
[3:40:19] I'm not sure that you're
[3:40:22] entitled to privacy anywhere in
[3:40:23] public anymore.
[3:40:25] I go to a lot of stores and all
[3:40:27] the stores have surveillance.
[3:40:30] I don't see any signage in my
[3:40:31] neighborhood store when I go in
[3:40:33] there that says you're under
[3:40:34] surveillance, but I am.
[3:40:36] I want to make sure that we're
[3:40:38] not just singling out these
[3:40:39] particular businesses with that
[3:40:40] kind of requirement.
[3:40:42] I don't know if anybody can
[3:40:44] answer that, but it's my
[3:40:47] understanding that in public you
[3:40:49] don't have to -- I agree with
[3:40:50] the councilor.
[3:40:50] You should.
[3:40:53] But I don't think that is the
[3:40:56] generally agreed upon way this
[3:40:56] work.
[3:40:57] I just want to make sure we're
[3:40:59] not making these five businesses
[3:41:00] do something that everybody else
[3:41:01] isn't doing.
[3:41:02] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[3:41:03] PRESIDENT.
[3:41:04] I think that's a good point.
[3:41:07] That's why I love the debate.
[3:41:10] I think most of the places i
[3:41:12] patron will have a sign that
[3:41:15] says you're under surveillance.
[3:41:16] It's not mandatory.
[3:41:19] Even at the airport, when you
[3:41:21] have to put your face to fly.
[3:41:23] It says you have the option not
[3:41:26] to be photographed, even at our
[3:41:26] airport.
[3:41:28] I'm willing to -- I don't want
[3:41:29] us to do that.
[3:41:32] I don't want us to single out --
[3:41:34] to councilor lewis's point, five
[3:41:35] businesses if we don't make that
[3:41:37] a rule across the board.
[3:41:38] I think that is the right thing
[3:41:39] to do.
[3:41:42] I'll withdraw my not-friendly
[3:41:46] amendment to the amendment.
[3:41:47] >>coun. Pe}a: the unfriendly
[3:41:48] amendment.
[3:41:49] I just want to say that I
[3:41:51] supported the amendment.
[3:41:53] I think that somebody is going
[3:41:55] to go in there, I think they
[3:41:55] should know.
[3:41:58] It falls in the line of
[3:42:00] entrapment if you go into a
[3:42:01] place to sell copper and you're
[3:42:03] being recorded and you don't
[3:42:03] realize that.
[3:42:04] That's that.
[3:42:05] >> MADAM Chair, since that
[3:42:08] amendment was seconded -- it
[3:42:09] belongs to the body.
[3:42:14] You have to take a vote.
[3:42:16] >>coun. Pe}a: I thought she can
[3:42:18] withdraw it?
[3:42:18] Okay.
[3:42:20] [Roll combraubtial].
[3:42:23] [Roll call].
[3:42:27] >>coun. Baca: no.
[3:42:30] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:42:34] >>coun. Champine: no.
[3:42:37] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:42:43] >>coun. Grout: no.
[3:42:45] -- withdrawal, yes.
[3:42:47] >> you're changing your vote to
[3:42:48] a yes?
[3:42:49] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:42:51] [Roll call].
[3:42:54] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[3:42:57] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:42:57] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:43:00] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[3:43:03] >> passes on a 6-3 vote.
[3:43:06] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now back on
[3:43:10] the amendment as it was not
[3:43:12] amended.
[3:43:14] I don't think there was any
[3:43:16] additional discussions.
[3:43:17] Councilor grout.
[3:43:18] >>coun. Grout: I urge your
[3:43:19] support.
[3:43:23] [Roll call].
[3:43:25] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:43:27] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:43:29] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:43:32] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:43:35] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:43:37] >>coun. Lewis: no.
[3:43:39] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:43:41] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:43:42] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[3:43:45] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.
[3:43:46] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:43:48] We're now on floor amendment
[3:43:49] labeled e in your packet will be
[3:43:51] floor amendment number five.
[3:43:51] Councilor grout.
[3:43:52] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[3:43:52] PRESIDENT.
[3:43:56] This one is just an amendment to
[3:43:58] correct multiple type graphical
[3:44:01] errors in the bill by incerting
[3:44:06] the term term of art
[3:44:08] catalytic
[3:44:09] converter.
[3:44:10] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.
[3:44:11] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[3:44:12] and a second by councilor
[3:44:12] fiebelkorn.
[3:44:15] Any discussion from councilors?
[3:44:19] [Roll call].
[3:44:21] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:44:23] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:44:24] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:44:26] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:44:29] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:44:32] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[3:44:34] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:44:36] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:44:37] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[3:44:38] >> passes unanimously.
[3:44:40] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on the
[3:44:43] final amendment that I see,
[3:44:44] anyway.
[3:44:45] This is floor amendment labeled
[3:44:46] f.
[3:44:46] It will be floor amendment
[3:44:47] number six.
[3:44:49] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[3:44:50] PRESIDENT.
[3:44:51] This one that councilor bassan
[3:44:53] was able to notify us of.
[3:44:58] We just need to change one word
[3:44:59] from state to city.
[3:45:01] This amendment corrects an error
[3:45:03] in the bill by correcting
[3:45:04] reflecting the jurisdictional
[3:45:07] bounds of this ordinance only to
[3:45:10] the city not the entire state.
[3:45:11] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.
[3:45:12] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[3:45:14] and a second by councilor
[3:45:15] fiebelkorn.
[3:45:16] For technical fix.
[3:45:18] Any councilors?
[3:45:19] >>coun. Grout: urge your
[3:45:19] support.
[3:45:21] [Roll call].
[3:45:23] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:45:25] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:45:27] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:45:29] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:45:30] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:45:32] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[3:45:35] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:45:38] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:45:39] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[3:45:44] >> passes unanimously.
[3:45:46] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:45:50] We're now back on the bill as
[3:45:52] amended six times.
[3:45:52] O-39.
[3:45:54] Do we have anyone signed up to
[3:45:55] speak?
[3:45:56] We have no one signed up to
[3:46:06] speak?
[3:46:06] No?
[3:46:09] Okay.
[3:46:10] any other discussion from
[3:46:11] councilors?
[3:46:11] Seeing none.
[3:46:12] Councilor grout and councilor
[3:46:13] fiebelkorn to close.
[3:46:15] >>coun. Grout: I would just like
[3:46:19] to thank everybody that worked
[3:46:21] on this -- everybody that worked
[3:46:25] on this ordinance update.
[3:46:25] Apd.
[3:46:26] Council staff.
[3:46:30] The vendors.
[3:46:31] And councilor fiebelkorn.
[3:46:33] I just am grateful for the
[3:46:35] collaboration and the teamwork
[3:46:37] of coming together and making
[3:46:40] compromises and I think it will
[3:46:40] be better.
[3:46:43] I look forward to having
[3:46:47] brighter days on the streets.
[3:46:50] And I know that the vendors --
[3:46:51] there's some great vendors out
[3:46:52] there that want to do the
[3:46:56] recognize -- right thing.
[3:46:58] They don't want to get caught up
[3:46:59] in what could be something bad.
[3:47:01] Ibrush
[3:47:04] I appreciate their willingness
[3:47:06] to know there needs to be this
[3:47:06] change.
[3:47:07] I'm grateful for it.
[3:47:08] I urge your support.
[3:47:13] [Roll call].
[3:47:16] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:47:17] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:47:19] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:47:22] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:47:24] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:47:26] >>coun. Lewis: no.
[3:47:28] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:47:30] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:47:30] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[3:47:34] >> passes on an 8-1 vote.
[3:47:35] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:47:36] We're on o-35.
[3:47:42] This is my -- by request.
[3:47:45] This is municipal solid waste
[3:47:46] ordinance collection and
[3:47:49] disposal rate to increase
[3:47:52] disposal fees for centers for
[3:47:54] businesses and residents outside
[3:47:55] of albuquerque limits.
[3:47:58] Collection fees for city
[3:47:59] municipality landfill and
[3:48:01] convenience center to provide
[3:48:01] proof of residency.
[3:48:06] I move do pass.
[3:48:09] There's a motion, and a second
[3:48:11] by councilor bassan for do pass
[3:48:15] of o-35.
[3:48:16] Anyone signed up to speak?
[3:48:30] >> jonah followed by mervin.
[3:48:47] Mervin.
[3:48:52] >> thank you, again, MADAM
[3:48:52] PRESIDENT.
[3:48:54] I've been here before with this
[3:48:55] matter.
[3:48:58] On MAY 30th, 2025 I was run down
[3:49:02] by a city of albuquerque solid
[3:49:03] waste management vehicle driven
[3:49:07] by three employees of the solid
[3:49:07] waste management.
[3:49:14] The driver that -- samir
[3:49:17] edwards.
[3:49:21] Imil -- charles casias was
[3:49:22] passenger.
[3:49:28] The apd public service aide
[3:49:33] enrique diaz, 8-7-14.
[3:49:37] He filed a falsified new mexico
[3:49:39] investigation crash report.
[3:49:42] He, himself, told me that the
[3:49:46] camera that he had on was --
[3:49:47] >> sir.
[3:49:49] Your comments have to be germane
[3:49:51] to the topic in the ordinance
[3:49:53] that we're discussing.
[3:49:56] >> let me get back to the topic
[3:49:57] at hand.
[3:49:59] The amendment you're talking
[3:50:02] about should include that the
[3:50:04] city of albuquerque employees
[3:50:07] should not be allowed to use
[3:50:10] city of albuquerque property to
[3:50:14] harm, injure, maim or cause the
[3:50:15] death of any city of albuquerque
[3:50:18] death or visitors.
[3:50:21] The traffic cams, the camera of
[3:50:23] the day, the video was
[3:50:23] destroyed.
[3:50:25] >>coun. Champine: sir, again,
[3:50:28] this ordinance we're discussing
[3:50:30] front has to do with an increase
[3:50:32] in fees.
[3:50:34] Not have to do with cameras or
[3:50:36] policies and procedures of how
[3:50:38] accidents are tracked within the
[3:50:39] system.
[3:50:41] If you have comment about the
[3:50:44] increase in fees for outside the
[3:50:45] residents, please give them.
[3:50:46] If not, then your public comment
[3:50:48] is over, sir.
[3:50:49] >> okay.
[3:50:52] I would like to address, again,
[3:50:54] if anybody is going to be paying
[3:50:57] for services of the city of
[3:50:58] albuquerque here in the city or
[3:51:00] outside of the city, I think the
[3:51:03] rule of law should be followed.
[3:51:07] I think enforcement should be
[3:51:08] included in this amendment.
[3:51:09] That city of albuquerque
[3:51:11] employees should not be allowed
[3:51:14] to use city of albuquerque
[3:51:16] property to injure other people
[3:51:19] or cause death.
[3:51:19] Thank you.
[3:51:20] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[3:51:29] sir.
[3:51:30] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[3:51:34] Any other questions from
[3:51:34] councilors?
[3:51:35] Councilor telles.
[3:51:36] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM
[3:51:36] PRESIDENT.
[3:51:41] I just have a couple of
[3:51:41] questions.
[3:51:43] I guess for the director.
[3:51:56] Maybe even our sponsors.
[3:51:58] Hello, director.
[3:52:00] How are you?
[3:52:01] >> good.
[3:52:02] >>coun. Telles: I had fun on my
[3:52:03] solid waste tour.
[3:52:04] Thank you for that.
[3:52:07] Really was hoping I would get a
[3:52:08] pink hard hat, but yellow is not
[3:52:10] my color.
[3:52:11] It worked out anyway.
[3:52:14] I just have a couple of
[3:52:19] questions on the cost basis for
[3:52:23] setting it at $12 versus $5.
[3:52:29] Did you do a cost of service
[3:52:34] analysis, or is that a round
[3:52:37] number policy choice?
[3:52:38] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:52:40] telles, we do have a cost of
[3:52:41] service we do annually.
[3:52:46] The cost of service will show we
[3:52:51] subsidize $19.69 for the $5, and
[3:52:55] 12 will be subsidized at $12.69.
[3:52:57] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM
[3:52:57] PRESIDENT, director.
[3:53:00] Who checks the utility bill or
[3:53:03] id at the point of disposal at
[3:53:05] the convenience center?
[3:53:07] Have they trained staff for it
[3:53:09] to be effective after the
[3:53:10] adoption of the bill?
[3:53:11] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:53:14] telles, the cashiers will be the
[3:53:17] ones checking for the
[3:53:18] information required.
[3:53:20] As far as being trained, we have
[3:53:22] not fully trained them at this
[3:53:22] time.
[3:53:25] But it will not take more than a
[3:53:26] week to train them.
[3:53:28] >>coun. Telles: thank you,
[3:53:28] director.
[3:53:31] Will there be an sop developed
[3:53:34] so they can follow that?
[3:53:36] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:53:37] telles, yes.
[3:53:38] >>coun. Telles: wonderful.
[3:53:38] Thank you.
[3:53:40] MADAM PRESIDENT, director, what
[3:53:42] happens to someone who is a
[3:53:47] genuine in city resident but
[3:53:48] doesn't
[3:53:50] have a utility bill or id.
[3:53:53] Is there an appeal or process or
[3:53:55] are they just charged out of
[3:53:55] city rate?
[3:53:57] >> currently, they're charged
[3:53:58] out of city rate.
[3:54:00] >>coun. Telles: my final
[3:54:01] question, thank you, MADAM
[3:54:02] PRESIDENT.
[3:54:04] How many out of city residential
[3:54:05] and commercial accounts use
[3:54:07] these convenience centers?
[3:54:09] And what's the projected revenue
[3:54:10] impact?
[3:54:11] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[3:54:14] telles, roughly 42% is what
[3:54:17] we -- during the time we got the
[3:54:19] information, is out of the city.
[3:54:24] And roughly $1.1 million is what
[3:54:25] we would generate.
[3:54:26] >>coun. Telles: thank you.
[3:54:27] Those are all my questions.
[3:54:29] I appreciate it.
[3:54:30] >>coun. Pe}a: any additional
[3:54:32] comments or questions?
[3:54:32] No.
[3:54:33] There you go.
[3:54:36] I will close by saying I urge
[3:54:36] your support.
[3:54:40] [Roll call].
[3:54:42] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[3:54:44] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[3:54:46] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[3:54:48] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[3:54:51] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[3:54:53] >>coun. Lewis: no.
[3:54:55] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[3:54:56] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[3:54:57] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[3:55:00] >> passes on an 8-1 vote.
[3:55:02] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you so much
[3:55:05] we're now on o-39, by request.
[3:55:06] Councilor grout.
[3:55:08] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[3:55:08] PRESIDENT.
[3:55:09] Amending the integrated
[3:55:11] development ordinance to revise
[3:55:13] regulation for cannabis and
[3:55:17] nicotine retail uses in table
[3:55:21] 4-2-1, allowable uses in section
[3:55:24] 14-16-4-3.
[3:55:35] I move a do pass.
[3:55:36] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[3:55:38] and a second by councilor
[3:55:39] bassan.
[3:55:40] We'll go to public comment,
[3:55:41] right out of the gate.
[3:55:42] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[3:55:44] First speaker is grace followed
[3:55:55] by jonah.
[3:55:58] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I stand in
[3:55:59] opposition to this ordinance
[3:56:02] because it's a thinly veiled
[3:56:03] attempt to continue exclusionary
[3:56:06] and racist history of zoning
[3:56:07] laws.
[3:56:09] This isn't about buffers and
[3:56:10] setbacks, albuquerque has a
[3:56:13] documented history of racial
[3:56:14] covenants that excluded black
[3:56:17] and hispanic and asian american
[3:56:18] families from entire
[3:56:19] neighborhoods.
[3:56:21] Covenants that will sit on
[3:56:22] property deeds today.
[3:56:25] This city has documented history
[3:56:27] of routing undesirable land uses
[3:56:31] into the same historic
[3:56:31] neighborhoods of color.
[3:56:34] South valley, international
[3:56:35] districts, west side.
[3:56:37] That's the result of neutral
[3:56:40] tools like buffers.
[3:56:42] I'm not asking to draw more
[3:56:44] lines on a map.
[3:56:46] More buffers overlays, it's the
[3:56:49] same exclusionary tool kit aimed
[3:56:50] at a new target.
[3:56:53] You created cannabis equity fund
[3:56:55] for putting money into
[3:56:58] communities run by exclusionary
[3:56:59] tool kit.
[3:57:01] Yet the sponsor voted against
[3:57:02] the guarantee basic income
[3:57:04] process which is funded by
[3:57:06] cannabis grt revenue which will
[3:57:13] be decreasing as a result of the
[3:57:15] disclusionary on cannabis doors.
[3:57:16] Please oppose this.
[3:57:27] >> jonah followed by erica.
[3:57:34] Erica, followed by jeff.
[3:57:35] >> good evening, MADAM
[3:57:38] PRESIDENT, councilors.
[3:57:40] Albuquerque has generated over
[3:57:44] $670 million in cumulative
[3:57:45] economic activity from legal
[3:57:49] cannabis sales since adult use
[3:57:51] launched in APRIL of 2022.
[3:57:54] Representing nearly 30% of new
[3:57:55] mexico's total state market, the
[3:57:56] city leveraged the industry into
[3:57:58] a major driver for local
[3:58:01] businesses, job creation, and
[3:58:02] municipal infrastructure.
[3:58:04] Please help us as an industry to
[3:58:06] survive and thrive rather than
[3:58:09] creating legislation that
[3:58:12] continues the stigmamization of
[3:58:14] a plant that is useful.
[3:58:15] New mexico has the opportunity
[3:58:17] to support the small business in
[3:58:19] an industry that can bolster
[3:58:21] tourism and health
[3:58:21] opportunities.
[3:58:24] You all are cutting us away from
[3:58:26] more real estate opportunities
[3:58:31] we already don't have.
[3:58:32] Lumping us with nicotine and
[3:58:36] vape stores makes no sense to me
[3:58:37] either.
[3:58:41] Please reconsider.
[3:58:41] Vote no.
[3:58:49] >> jeff followed by ian.
[3:58:52] >> good evening, MADAM
[3:58:53] PRESIDENT, council members.
[3:58:55] I spoke the last time this bill
[3:58:55] came up.
[3:58:57] I'm not going to go over what I
[3:58:59] said the last time.
[3:59:01] I know -- I actually
[3:59:02] represent -- I run the small
[3:59:03] business for ten years now.
[3:59:06] In the last year, I had to form
[3:59:07] the small business coalition of
[3:59:09] new mexico as well as the
[3:59:11] consumer rights coalition of new
[3:59:11] mexico.
[3:59:12] Trying to protect consumer's
[3:59:15] right to fair and free access to
[3:59:16] products.
[3:59:19] And also protect small business
[3:59:20] owners in new mexico.
[3:59:22] Just like myself, I put hundreds
[3:59:24] of thousands of dollars into
[3:59:26] businesses only to find the next
[3:59:28] morning I wake up to some new
[3:59:29] regulation or some law that
[3:59:31] actually isn't helping to make
[3:59:32] us thrive.
[3:59:35] You create one industry or laws
[3:59:36] that allow industries to thrive
[3:59:38] but the next day there's a new
[3:59:40] rule or regulation that makes us
[3:59:42] want to leave the state.
[3:59:44] I'm here to -- I really
[3:59:46] appreciate the mayor's office
[3:59:47] and some of the councilors met
[3:59:50] with representatives of our
[3:59:54] coalition to work out -- thank
[3:59:54] you.
[4:00:08] >> ian followed by alan.
[4:00:26] Alan followed by tad.
[4:00:30] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, members of
[4:00:33] the council, there's an
[4:00:36] ordinance that you want to close
[4:00:38] out of this bill -- you want to
[4:00:42] close smoke shops at 11 o'clock.
[4:00:44] I understand the reason because
[4:00:46] it's like five or six smoke
[4:00:49] shops that are just terrible.
[4:00:51] They have bad actors outside.
[4:00:54] But you can take care of those
[4:00:57] five or six smoke shops by doing
[4:01:01] an ordinance that's noise --
[4:01:04] nuisance ordinance, and you
[4:01:07] can't go around and close every
[4:01:09] gas station at 10 o'clock.
[4:01:11] We don't have the policing for
[4:01:11] it.
[4:01:12] There's no money in the bill to
[4:01:13] police it.
[4:01:16] You can't go to a circle k gas
[4:01:19] station and maverick and smith's
[4:01:21] to make sure this will is really
[4:01:23] going to go through.
[4:01:25] Lastly, you have enough time to
[4:01:27] get rid of clusters of
[4:01:30] dispensaries and smoke shops.
[4:01:33] There are more smoke shops
[4:01:34] closing than opening.
[4:01:36] The free market is taking care
[4:01:40] of this problem.
[4:01:41] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[4:01:51] >> tad.
[4:01:51] >> thank you.
[4:01:57] My name is tad.
[4:02:02] Well, here is -- back before
[4:02:04] 1969, I love in chicago.
[4:02:07] We have bars all over.
[4:02:13] Almost on every corner.
[4:02:17] now, when I move to albuquerque,
[4:02:18] same ways.
[4:02:20] Bars all over.
[4:02:28] What's going on with bars?
[4:02:32] What are they doing over there?
[4:02:36] They're selling drug
[4:02:38] paraphernalia for high price.
[4:02:41] That is the picture.
[4:02:45] You go to the smoke shops,
[4:02:49] marijuana shops, no.
[4:02:50] I doubt it.
[4:02:52] I urge you to go over there and
[4:02:54] check it.
[4:02:59] And cops need to stay behind it.
[4:03:04] And they put in low income
[4:03:08] districts like the tower
[4:03:08] downtown.
[4:03:09] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[4:03:13] >> smoke shops.
[4:03:13] Thank you.
[4:03:15] >> that concludes comment.
[4:03:16] Thank you.
[4:03:17] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[4:03:18] We were back on the bill.
[4:03:21] Before I go to councilors, I
[4:03:23] will ask the sponsor if she's
[4:03:24] like to move the floor amendment
[4:03:26] first before we go to questions
[4:03:29] or comments?
[4:03:31] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[4:03:31] PRESIDENT.
[4:03:34] We do have a committee amendment
[4:03:34] to offer.
[4:03:39] I will say, again, we worked
[4:03:40] with the industry.
[4:03:42] Spent some time with them.
[4:03:45] And because we know -- I want to
[4:03:47] start, also, by saying this has
[4:03:52] nothing to do with me and my
[4:03:52] morals.
[4:03:54] This has nothing to do with me.
[4:03:57] It has to do with the
[4:03:57] administration.
[4:04:00] This is the administration's
[4:04:00] bill.
[4:04:02] I am offering it by request.
[4:04:03] We met with them.
[4:04:05] We met with the industry.
[4:04:07] We talked with them.
[4:04:11] We went over things that we
[4:04:16] could change that when this
[4:04:19] industry as a whole came in and
[4:04:20] went gangbusters.
[4:04:24] We had so many everywhere.
[4:04:26] And you never want to see a
[4:04:27] business go out of business
[4:04:29] because a lot of people invested
[4:04:32] a lot in that.
[4:04:33] That's their choice.
[4:04:36] You also want to make sure that
[4:04:40] whatever you can do to make it
[4:04:41] work.
[4:04:46] What we were finding is -- apd
[4:04:49] is finding is sometimes there's
[4:04:50] a cluster.
[4:04:53] And it causes an issue.
[4:04:55] We came together and we came up
[4:04:58] with some changes.
[4:05:01] I want to thank the industry for
[4:05:04] working with us to come up with
[4:05:06] these, and the administration.
[4:05:08] We worked a lot on this.
[4:05:11] It's not perfect.
[4:05:15] But I think it's a good
[4:05:18] compromise.
[4:05:21] Can I ask our council staff to
[4:05:26] go over it?
[4:05:29] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:05:31] grout, thank you.
[4:05:33] The amendment -- I'm talking
[4:05:35] about the amendment.
[4:05:36] The amendment that's in front of
[4:05:40] you is changing some of the
[4:05:43] things that were introduced at
[4:05:44] the lupz.
[4:05:46] Starting off with changing the
[4:05:48] distance separation from
[4:05:49] existing cannabis retail.
[4:05:53] It changes that from 60 feet to
[4:05:53] 99
[4:05:55] 990 feet.
[4:05:58] The second amendment introduces
[4:06:01] a distance correction of 990
[4:06:06] feet from existing retails.
[4:06:09] The third amendment increases
[4:06:11] the buffer distance from 330
[4:06:16] feet to 990 schools and daycare
[4:06:16] centers.
[4:06:17] >>coun. Champine: we're
[4:06:18] discussing something that hasn't
[4:06:26] been seconded.
[4:06:28] >>coun. Grout: I'm sorry.
[4:06:30] I would like to move floor
[4:06:31] amendment one.
[4:06:34] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[4:06:38] and a second by councilor
[4:06:38] bassan.
[4:06:39] >> I'll continue.
[4:06:42] I was on the third amendment.
[4:06:46] It talks about increasing buffer
[4:06:47] distance from schools and
[4:06:51] daycares from 60 feet to 990
[4:06:52] feet.
[4:06:55] The fourth in the line is to be
[4:06:58] consistent and reduces the
[4:07:02] buffer from existing nicotine
[4:07:06] retails from 1,000 to 9
[4:07:07] 90 feet.
[4:07:09] The fifth one is being
[4:07:12] consistent of introducing a
[4:07:15] buffer distance of 990 feet from
[4:07:19] existing cannabis retail.
[4:07:23] And the last one is introducing
[4:07:26] a -- increasing buffer distance
[4:07:30] from 330 feet to 990 feet.
[4:07:32] There's also an amendment to
[4:07:34] increase the distance from
[4:07:38] residential zone and lots
[4:07:41] containing the unis from 550 to
[4:07:42] 663 feet.
[4:07:45] And also changing the timing of
[4:07:49] existing businesses and
[4:07:51] prohibiting these from 11:00
[4:07:54] P.M. To 7:00 A.M.
[4:07:58] These are only for nicotine
[4:07:58] shops.
[4:08:04] It will not affect any small
[4:08:05] accessory users that are there
[4:08:07] in gas station or grocery
[4:08:08] stores.
[4:08:10] This will only affect nicotine
[4:08:12] shops and cannabis retail.
[4:08:18] I stand for any questions.
[4:08:21] >>coun. Grout: thank you.
[4:08:30] MAY I have -- councilor lewis.
[4:08:31] >>coun. Lewis: thank you, MADAM
[4:08:31] PRESIDENT.
[4:08:33] Just a question for the
[4:08:34] administration.
[4:08:36] It sounds like this is the
[4:08:37] administration's bill.
[4:08:42] I guess I would ask where did it
[4:08:44] orig
[4:08:45] originate?
[4:08:46] Did this come from the cannabis
[4:08:49] retail industry to the
[4:08:50] administration with
[4:08:52] recommendations?
[4:08:54] Or was this -- did this
[4:08:57] orageinate within the
[4:08:58] administration with consultation
[4:09:00] of the cannabis industry?
[4:09:04] Where did it begin?
[4:09:05] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:09:09] lewis, I'll invite deputy chief
[4:09:13] and deputy director aranda from
[4:09:14] planning up.
[4:09:16] They led in this work related to
[4:09:17] both the analysis of our data
[4:09:20] and the impacts we're seeing
[4:09:22] related to clustering as well as
[4:09:27] the discussions we've had with
[4:09:33] industry.
[4:09:35] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,
[4:09:37] I'm here to talk about the
[4:09:40] public safety and law
[4:09:41] enforcement perspective on what
[4:09:44] we're seeing realtime with
[4:09:45] nicotine retailers and cannabis
[4:09:46] shops.
[4:09:48] I guess the best way to start
[4:09:50] off -- actually, I'd like to
[4:09:52] applaud councilor rogers and
[4:09:56] echo the sentiment that she said
[4:09:58] earlier about the shoes that are
[4:10:01] thrown over power lines.
[4:10:04] The way I interpret that is in
[4:10:07] certain regions of our city when
[4:10:10] shoe
[4:10:12] shoes are thrown over
[4:10:13] powerlines, that is a call you
[4:10:15] can obtain illicit substances
[4:10:17] that these locations.
[4:10:19] I know she said that she's sick
[4:10:20] of the filth.
[4:10:23] I interpret that as she's sick
[4:10:26] of crime and the criminal
[4:10:27] element that is happening.
[4:10:29] I would present to you in my
[4:10:30] experience and obviously all of
[4:10:33] the different calls for service,
[4:10:35] enforcement, and data that I
[4:10:36] have personally seen and
[4:10:39] personally witnessed, when you
[4:10:41] have a geographical area in our
[4:10:43] city that has such a high
[4:10:46] concentration of volume of
[4:10:47] individuals -- I'm not here to
[4:10:49] tell you it's the nicotine
[4:10:52] retailers or cannabis shops that
[4:10:54] is the sole reason why these
[4:10:55] individuals are drawn to these
[4:10:55] areas.
[4:10:57] There's a whole bunch of other
[4:10:59] factors that draws them to this
[4:11:00] area.
[4:11:02] Of course, there's outliers too.
[4:11:04] There are different parts of
[4:11:06] town where there are nicotine
[4:11:07] retailers and cannabis shops
[4:11:10] where we don't see these issues.
[4:11:11] But in these concentrated areas
[4:11:14] where we have large populations
[4:11:16] of people congregating, like I
[4:11:19] said, for whatever the different
[4:11:21] variables that drew them to that
[4:11:25] area, I know that they
[4:11:26] congrauigate in front of
[4:11:27] nicotine retailers.
[4:11:29] To give you an example how it
[4:11:32] affects public safety, we have
[4:11:34] this concentration of people
[4:11:37] where they can pretty much buy
[4:11:40] all the articles they need to
[4:11:42] use controlled substances.
[4:11:45] Thus turning it into drug
[4:11:46] paraphernalia.
[4:11:48] It draws them in this area and
[4:11:49] keeps them in this area.
[4:11:52] We have drug traffickers that
[4:11:54] know if they need to offload a
[4:11:56] shipment of narcotics they can
[4:11:58] go to the area and there will
[4:11:59] always be individuals there
[4:12:03] willing to buy.
[4:12:05] When the drug traffickers are
[4:12:07] making drug deals and it turns
[4:12:09] bad, it turns to violent crime.
[4:12:12] We have aggravated assaults and
[4:12:13] robberies and homicides happen
[4:12:15] in front of nicotine retailers.
[4:12:17] In the event it does not turn
[4:12:20] into a violent crime, then we
[4:12:23] have situations where we have
[4:12:26] pretty open-air drug use.
[4:12:28] And another point that I bring
[4:12:29] to that is at that point if it's
[4:12:32] not law enforcement response,
[4:12:34] I'd like to talk about how that
[4:12:35] affects our department.
[4:12:37] And we're also pulling resources
[4:12:39] from community safety department
[4:12:41] and albuquerque fire rescue.
[4:12:46] I look at the amount of man
[4:12:46] hours.
[4:12:49] The time and officers it takes
[4:12:51] to where when these officers are
[4:12:53] driving by, they cannot turn
[4:12:56] blind eye to open-air drug use.
[4:12:58] They cannot turn a blind eye to
[4:12:59] altercations that are turning
[4:13:01] into aggravated assault.
[4:13:02] They have to address that.
[4:13:05] We call them on-site.
[4:13:07] Proactive enforcement on-site.
[4:13:09] I look at the volume of on-site,
[4:13:11] particularly nicotine retailers,
[4:13:13] in these concentrated
[4:13:17] geographical areas, it takes up
[4:13:21] a huge amount of resources.
[4:13:24] That's just for the police
[4:13:24] department.
[4:13:26] I can't speak for exact numbers
[4:13:28] for albuquerque fire rescue or
[4:13:30] community safety, but again,
[4:13:32] with the open-air drug use we
[4:13:34] know it affects them because
[4:13:36] they also do have to respond.
[4:13:38] From a public safety standpoint,
[4:13:39] obviously this is not going to
[4:13:44] be the full fix to completely
[4:13:47] eliminate crime and where we
[4:13:48] have perfect public safety.
[4:13:50] Any additional tools we can have
[4:13:53] in the toolbox, whether it's the
[4:13:54] distance between shops, whether
[4:13:57] it's the timing to where once
[4:14:00] that retailer is closed this
[4:14:01] crowd of people isn't going to
[4:14:03] be hanging out there and they
[4:14:06] may be under the influence and
[4:14:09] it turns into altercation that
[4:14:11] turns into violent assault or
[4:14:11] violent crime.
[4:14:13] This is another tool for us to
[4:14:14] combat that.
[4:14:16] Obviously, on the police
[4:14:19] department we are doing multiple
[4:14:21] operations whether it's in the
[4:14:23] nuisance front, covert
[4:14:25] operations, overt, high
[4:14:27] visibility patrol.
[4:14:29] It's everyday work for us we're
[4:14:30] willing to do.
[4:14:33] Again, and feel with this
[4:14:35] particular amendments that it
[4:14:37] would -- like I said, it would
[4:14:38] give us the additional tool in
[4:14:42] the toolbox to keep public
[4:14:45] safety.
[4:14:46] >>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[4:14:47] thank you, sir.
[4:14:48] You described a pretty big
[4:14:48] problem.
[4:14:50] I can imagine the resources and
[4:14:52] the challenges that the
[4:14:54] department faces and certainly
[4:14:56] afr faces as well in that
[4:14:56] regard.
[4:15:02] And as a community, we face.
[4:15:06] This bill says that the problem
[4:15:09] is these retailers.
[4:15:11] The bill identifies the problem
[4:15:16] as not the drug dealers, not the
[4:15:19] people that are throwing shoes
[4:15:22] over power lines, not the people
[4:15:24] that are congregating in
[4:15:25] different places.
[4:15:28] This is a bill that says the
[4:15:30] problem is a saturation of
[4:15:36] cannabis retail stores and smoke
[4:15:38] shops.
[4:15:40] I know you gave a pretty good
[4:15:41] description of all the
[4:15:42] challenges, but you understand
[4:15:44] that by supporting this bill and
[4:15:46] saying this council needs to
[4:15:48] support this bill, you're saying
[4:15:50] that the problem is the retail
[4:15:50] stores.
[4:15:53] is that the case?
[4:15:55] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:15:56] lewis, not entirely.
[4:15:58] I understand your position.
[4:15:59] It does make sense.
[4:16:03] I think in totality, it's not
[4:16:04] just the retailers.
[4:16:06] It's not just the drug
[4:16:07] traffickers.
[4:16:08] It's not the area where, like I
[4:16:10] said, there's several factors
[4:16:12] that cause these individuals to
[4:16:12] come there.
[4:16:14] But when they're staying there,
[4:16:16] we know where they're hanging
[4:16:16] out.
[4:16:18] I think in totality, it's
[4:16:21] actually a combination of all of
[4:16:22] the above.
[4:16:24] I think as we look at each
[4:16:28] causation factor, whether if it
[4:16:29] is the drug traffickers or
[4:16:32] retailers, by taking steps for
[4:16:35] each of these root causes,
[4:16:37] again, I think that will help us
[4:16:40] in achieving public safety and
[4:16:42] reducing the crime.
[4:16:43] >>coun. Lewis: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[4:16:45] sir, is it the nature of the
[4:16:46] businesses?
[4:16:47] We're not limiting the amount of
[4:16:50] parks we have in this city.
[4:16:52] Yet, there's people that
[4:16:54] congregate in parks and commit
[4:16:55] crimes.
[4:16:56] So, is it the nature of these
[4:17:01] types of businesses that are the
[4:17:02] problem?
[4:17:04] It's not -- for example, we
[4:17:14] haven't pinpointed snowcone
[4:17:14] restaurants.
[4:17:17] It's the nature of the business,
[4:17:17] correct?
[4:17:19] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:17:20] lewis, if I understand your
[4:17:23] question correctly, like I
[4:17:27] stated earlier, I would consider
[4:17:28] them outliers.
[4:17:31] But there are nicotine retailers
[4:17:32] in various parts of the city
[4:17:35] that don't generate the type of
[4:17:37] criminal element that we see.
[4:17:40] Again, just for those reasons,
[4:17:43] when we have -- especially in
[4:17:45] several of the districts along
[4:17:47] our central avenue corridor.
[4:17:48] When we just have that
[4:17:50] concentrated amount of people --
[4:17:54] just a high volume of people --
[4:17:57] these are the properties that we
[4:17:58] have crime.
[4:18:00] Violent crime and open-air drug
[4:18:02] usage which leads to a myriad of
[4:18:04] other issues.
[4:18:05] Again, I don't know if that
[4:18:08] answers your question, councilor
[4:18:08] lewis.
[4:18:09] >>coun. Lewis: I appreciate it,
[4:18:09] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[4:18:11] I appreciate it.
[4:18:12] I think you're doing your best
[4:18:13] to answer the question.
[4:18:15] The answer is clear.
[4:18:16] I think you guys identified the
[4:18:20] nature of certain businesses.
[4:18:22] I would -- I'm not disagreeing
[4:18:22] with you.
[4:18:23] I would argue some of the most
[4:18:25] crime that happens in my
[4:18:32] district is around several bars.
[4:18:34] The most calls happen in that
[4:18:37] few blocks around those areas.
[4:18:39] There's a part of me that wants
[4:18:41] to protect businesses and
[4:18:44] people's ability to do in this
[4:18:47] city that they're given a right
[4:18:49] to do under state law to protect
[4:18:51] people from being picked on.
[4:18:53] In the same way I would five
[4:18:54] metal businesses that have
[4:18:57] legitimate businesses that are
[4:18:59] retailers for certain
[4:19:00] commodities and metals.
[4:19:05] I do find it interesting also
[4:19:07] that we're saying the smoke
[4:19:10] shops a lot, yet this is a bill
[4:19:13] that limits the cannabis retail
[4:19:14] stores.
[4:19:18] And my guess is that the
[4:19:24] cannabis lobby is for this bill.
[4:19:26] it sounds like it because
[4:19:28] they're saturated and they know
[4:19:30] they're saturated and it's
[4:19:33] hurting their profits and
[4:19:34] businesses.
[4:19:36] So this is a way to do that.
[4:19:38] When you come from a moral
[4:19:40] standpoint, I'm falling on both
[4:19:40] sides of this.
[4:19:44] This is a bill -- I think it's
[4:19:44] misrepresented.
[4:19:47] I think even some in the public
[4:19:49] here tonight feel like this is a
[4:19:53] bill restricting the cannabis
[4:19:54] industry, when in reality I
[4:19:56] think they're behind it.
[4:19:58] And they see this as an
[4:20:00] advantage for this industry to
[4:20:00] be stronger.
[4:20:03] The ones that have the licenses
[4:20:05] and have that ability, they're
[4:20:06] going to get stronger when they
[4:20:08] eliminate more and more
[4:20:10] saturation and other competition
[4:20:11] around them.
[4:20:15] I do think we should be cloor --
[4:20:16] clear what this bill says the
[4:20:16] problem is.
[4:20:21] The bill says the problem is
[4:20:23] cannabis and smoke shops that
[4:20:27] are the problem for crime in our
[4:20:28] city.
[4:20:32] Again, I think I'm going to be
[4:20:35] consistent with misguided bills
[4:20:37] like this that actually go
[4:20:38] after -- they identify the
[4:20:40] problem as the retail stores.
[4:20:43] Dwlng -- I think the problem is
[4:20:44] the drug dealers and the crime
[4:20:45] that happens and the behaviors
[4:20:47] of the people that happen.
[4:20:48] Not only around these shops but
[4:20:50] bars and every other place
[4:20:51] around our city.
[4:20:55] Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[4:20:56] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor baca.
[4:20:57] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM
[4:20:57] PRESIDENT.
[4:20:59] Just three quick things.
[4:21:01] One, I got some sneakers hanging
[4:21:03] from the power lines at 8th and
[4:21:06] central if we can do something
[4:21:08] about that.
[4:21:10] Two, am I reading this
[4:21:10] correctly?
[4:21:13] The hour restrictions are only
[4:21:17] for the nicotine and not the
[4:21:17] cannabis?
[4:21:20] That's the way I read it.
[4:21:28] Or are they both being limited?
[4:21:30] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:21:31] baca, in the amendment we're
[4:21:35] talking about nicotine retail.
[4:21:37] But it does summarize that the
[4:21:41] cannabis retail is prohibited
[4:21:44] between 11:00 P.M. To 7:00 P.M.
[4:21:45] >>coun. Baca: okay.
[4:21:47] My first thing was to make an
[4:21:49] amendment to put cannabis as the
[4:21:51] same hours as nicotine.
[4:21:53] Separate from this bill, I had
[4:21:54] cannabis retailers to reach out
[4:21:56] to ask me to do something like
[4:21:56] that.
[4:21:59] There's a whole story behind
[4:22:00] that.
[4:22:01] This will put cannabis on the
[4:22:04] same footing as nicotine, hours
[4:22:04] wise?
[4:22:05] >> yes.
[4:22:07] >>coun. Baca: okay.
[4:22:08] Thank you.
[4:22:08] >>coun. Pe}a: vice PRESIDENT
[4:22:09] Champine.
[4:22:10] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[4:22:10] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[4:22:16] Just a couple of quick things.
[4:22:22] Dc, don't get me wrong.
[4:22:26] Your explanation of what's going
[4:22:28] on, I interpret it as shooting
[4:22:29] fish in a barrel.
[4:22:31] If you know where they are, and
[4:22:35] you know they congregate in
[4:22:39] these places on central, why
[4:22:43] aren't prt teams hitting them
[4:22:43] up?
[4:22:47] I see you have a plan, you hit
[4:22:48] these areas up.
[4:22:49] You don't sit there.
[4:22:50] I'm not pinpointing you.
[4:22:53] yipe pinpointing the fact, if
[4:22:56] you know where the crime is, hit
[4:22:57] it up.
[4:22:59] We shouldn't change a whole city
[4:23:01] ordinance based on the fact of
[4:23:01] that corridor.
[4:23:14] I disagree
[4:23:16] you should be, in your
[4:23:18] explanation or definition, you
[4:23:20] already know what the problem
[4:23:21] is.
[4:23:24] There are laws.
[4:23:34] Conduct -- conduct -- the plume
[4:23:38] of it is I'm torn.
[4:23:41] I do agree to the high schoolers
[4:23:42] that are here.
[4:23:44] I agree that the buffer zone for
[4:23:48] schools from 300 to 30 feet,
[4:23:50] that's a city block.
[4:23:52] I don't think a city block is
[4:23:52] enough.
[4:23:55] It presents a question, do you
[4:23:56] do it three city blocks or four
[4:23:58] city blocks?
[4:24:00] Now we're pinpointing small
[4:24:01] businesses in town.
[4:24:05] I know there's a cvs next to
[4:24:06] eldorado.
[4:24:07] They sell cigarettes.
[4:24:10] Are we going to go after big box
[4:24:11] stores in that sense to say you
[4:24:13] can't sell cigarettes so close
[4:24:14] to a school?
[4:24:17] I'm torn between the fact that
[4:24:20] we should be, I think, expanding
[4:24:26] the buffer zone around schools,
[4:24:28] daycare, churches.
[4:24:31] But I have a real big problem
[4:24:32] with trying to say that the
[4:24:35] store is the issue.
[4:24:42] That if we expand the -- like
[4:24:42] councilor lewis said, the
[4:24:44] problem is criminals.
[4:24:46] The problem isn't the stores.
[4:24:48] The problem is the enforcement
[4:24:51] of the criminals going on.
[4:24:53] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:24:56] champine, would I be able to
[4:24:58] provide commentary?
[4:24:59] >>coun. Champine: please.
[4:25:00] >> I completely understand what
[4:25:02] you're saying.
[4:25:04] I would point out that I did
[4:25:07] personally look at data from
[4:25:09] some big box stores and also
[4:25:10] liquor stores.
[4:25:12] There are big box stores that
[4:25:15] have a high higher call volume
[4:25:18] than nicotine retailers.
[4:25:19] I look at the breakdown for what
[4:25:21] the calls for service are.
[4:25:23] Lot of them are shoplifting.
[4:25:27] Lot are disturbances.
[4:25:29] Versus, even though there's such
[4:25:31] a high call volume, the rate of
[4:25:33] violent crimes happening or
[4:25:34] on-sites that take us out of
[4:25:36] service to where we can't
[4:25:39] respond to 911 calls because
[4:25:43] we're doing that work, you
[4:25:46] compare that to nicotine
[4:25:48] retailers, even though retailers
[4:25:51] MAY not have the same exact high
[4:25:53] call volume, there's a
[4:25:54] difference in the type of calls.
[4:25:57] It's clear, clear as day, the
[4:25:59] calls more at had nicotine
[4:26:01] resellers in the areas I
[4:26:02] described are violent crimes
[4:26:05] that's happening.
[4:26:06] Something I would also talk to
[4:26:10] you about is prt -- I know you
[4:26:11] experienced to back it up.
[4:26:14] We're there every day.
[4:26:17] We're seizing guns every day.
[4:26:20] We're making felonious arrests
[4:26:21] every day.
[4:26:23] The way it's going now, that's
[4:26:26] pretty much going to be every
[4:26:27] day.
[4:26:29] Again, I don't believe that this
[4:26:31] is going to be the solve-all
[4:26:32] tool.
[4:26:33] This is just the additional tool
[4:26:36] to help get us there for
[4:26:40] long-term sustainable solution.
[4:26:41] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: point of
[4:26:43] order, are we still on the
[4:26:44] amendment?
[4:26:45] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[4:26:45] >>coun. Champine: MADAM
[4:26:47] PRESIDENT, I need to make a
[4:26:48] motion, while I have the floor,
[4:26:51] to suspend the rules.
[4:26:54] To tengsd
[4:26:57] extend the meeting until
[4:26:58] midnight.
[4:26:59] >>coun. Pe}a: second.
[4:27:00] [Roll call].
[4:27:03] >>coun. Baca: no.
[4:27:05] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[4:27:07] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[4:27:09] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[4:27:11] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[4:27:14] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[4:27:16] >>coun. Rogers: no.
[4:27:18] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[4:27:19] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[4:27:22] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.
[4:27:23] >>coun. Champine: back to my
[4:27:23] point.
[4:27:25] Thank you for that.
[4:27:29] I see what you're saying.
[4:27:31] How do we -- anything that can
[4:27:33] help us solve this or help in
[4:27:37] solving crime is a benefit.
[4:27:39] I don't think this is the right
[4:27:40] direction.
[4:27:41] I think there's another way of
[4:27:41] doing it.
[4:27:44] I think we should explore that,
[4:27:46] then go after
[4:27:51] I think we should explore that
[4:27:52] rather than go after small
[4:27:53] businesses.
[4:27:54] >>coun. Rogers: I'm going to ask
[4:27:55] my questions before we get to
[4:27:58] the discussion on the bill.
[4:27:59] In the explanation of the
[4:28:03] amendment it says it adds
[4:28:04] restriction for nicotine and
[4:28:06] other primary locations.
[4:28:08] It doesn't mention cannabis in
[4:28:09] the explanation.
[4:28:10] I know I heard councilor grout
[4:28:11] say that -- what is the
[4:28:13] restriction for cannabis for
[4:28:13] hours?
[4:28:14] They have to close by what time
[4:28:19] now?
[4:28:20] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:28:23] rogers, they have to close by
[4:28:25] 11:00 P.M.
[4:28:27] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[4:28:29] Is that in a different ordinance
[4:28:32] or we're adding it in this
[4:28:32] amendment?
[4:28:34] The explanation threw me off.
[4:28:37] It says it adds it for nicotine
[4:28:39] retailers and other retail
[4:28:40] locations.
[4:28:42] I just want to make sure -- I'm
[4:28:42] tired.
[4:28:43] That's why I vote no.
[4:28:44] My brain shuts off.
[4:28:47] I just want to make sure.
[4:28:50] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:28:53] rogers, it's separately in the
[4:28:55] rules that govern the cannabis
[4:28:56] retail businesses.
[4:29:00] It is not part ido, but the only
[4:29:02] language part of the ido is
[4:29:03] nicotine retail.
[4:29:04] >>coun. Rogers: that's not in
[4:29:07] our ido, but part of the state
[4:29:12] law they have to close by 11:00
[4:29:17] P.M.?
[4:29:19] P.M.?
[4:29:22] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, it's a set
[4:29:24] of rules promulgated by the
[4:29:26] planning department in 2022
[4:29:33] after the state law was enacted.
[4:29:34] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[4:29:38] >>coun. Pe}a: we are back on the
[4:29:38] amendment.
[4:29:40] Committee amendment number one.
[4:29:44] Councilor grout to close.
[4:29:47] >>coun. Grout: thank you for the
[4:29:47] discussion.
[4:29:52] I know this is a tough one.
[4:29:57] Apd, afr, acs, public safety
[4:29:58] department, they asked for these
[4:29:59] things.
[4:30:00] Again we worked with the
[4:30:01] industry.
[4:30:03] And we came up with these to
[4:30:04] compromise for all of these.
[4:30:08] We want to make sure that they
[4:30:10] are the same distances and so
[4:30:10] forth.
[4:30:12] and they are under a thousand
[4:30:12] feet.
[4:30:15] I urge your support.
[4:30:20] [Roll call].
[4:30:23] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[4:30:25] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[4:30:28] >>coun. Champine: no.
[4:30:31] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: no.
[4:30:33] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[4:30:35] >>coun. Lewis: no.
[4:30:38] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[4:30:40] >>coun. Telles: no.
[4:30:41] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[4:30:47] >> fails on a 4-5 vote.
[4:30:48] >>coun. Pe}a: we're back on the
[4:30:49] bill.
[4:30:51] It was not amended.
[4:30:52] Is that the last amendment,
[4:30:53] councilor grout?
[4:30:54] Yes, it is.
[4:30:57] We're back on the bill.
[4:31:00] Do we have any questions from
[4:31:00] councilors?
[4:31:01] Councilor fiebelkorn.
[4:31:03] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[4:31:04] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[4:31:05] Unfortunately, I asked a lot of
[4:31:07] these questions at the
[4:31:09] hearing -- the committee hearing
[4:31:11] where this bill was killed.
[4:31:14] And didn't get any answers.
[4:31:15] I'm going to have to ask them
[4:31:16] all again here.
[4:31:17] This could have been solved.
[4:31:19] I was promised a lot of data at
[4:31:20] that committee meeting.
[4:31:23] Not a single thing in the seven
[4:31:25] and a half weeks since I was
[4:31:26] promised this information have I
[4:31:28] received any information.
[4:31:32] So, we're going to start from
[4:31:32] scratch.
[4:31:36] I am curious why -- I totally
[4:31:38] understand the distance
[4:31:41] separation for church s
[4:31:42] es and
[4:31:44] things like that.
[4:31:45] What this bill does that is
[4:31:47] completely new to our entire
[4:31:49] system of regulations for the
[4:31:51] city of albuquerque is it says
[4:31:54] one kind of business can't be
[4:31:57] near a completely unrelated
[4:32:01] different kind of business.
[4:32:02] Just to say that again.
[4:32:05] It is saying one business cannot
[4:32:08] be near a completely different
[4:32:10] type of business.
[4:32:13] It's like saying, you can't have
[4:32:16] a gym near a fastfood joint.
[4:32:18] I wouldn't propose that, even
[4:32:19] though it would be helpful to
[4:32:20] me.
[4:32:23] Because what I think -- what my
[4:32:24] morals are don't matter.
[4:32:26] And when I ask these questions
[4:32:27] at the last committee meeting,
[4:32:29] why this was coming forward, the
[4:32:30] answer we heard loud and strong
[4:32:31] from the administration is
[4:32:33] because we said so.
[4:32:36] And that is not a legitimate
[4:32:40] reason to regulate anybody in
[4:32:41] our city.
[4:32:43] I'm going to ask again.
[4:32:47] Why have we chosen these two
[4:32:48] types of business to require
[4:32:50] that they can't be near each
[4:32:56] other, which really means that a
[4:32:58] cigar shop, which I've never
[4:33:00] heard problems with a cigar
[4:33:02] shop, can't be located near a
[4:33:05] cannabis shop.
[4:33:06] Different clientele.
[4:33:10] I can tell you, I go to cannabis
[4:33:11] shops.
[4:33:14] My parent goes to cigar shops.
[4:33:16] They're not the same people.
[4:33:18] Rather than choosing bars or
[4:33:22] liquor sales, why have we chosen
[4:33:25] cannabis retail and tobacco
[4:33:29] retail?
[4:33:33] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:33:35] fiebelkorn,
[4:33:36] --
[4:33:42] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: my name is
[4:33:42] fiebelkorn.
[4:33:44] >> what we have looked at is
[4:33:45] concentration for calls of
[4:33:45] services.
[4:33:47] when we look at concentration of
[4:33:50] types of businesses that are in
[4:33:52] close proximity, the discussion
[4:33:56] we had is not necessarily
[4:33:57] causation but correlation.
[4:33:59] The mapping of the crime and cad
[4:34:02] data we looked at indicates that
[4:34:04] when you have two types of
[4:34:07] businesses that are already
[4:34:07] regulated
[4:34:08] regulated.
[4:34:10] Nicotine is regulated through
[4:34:12] ido and cannabis through rule 19
[4:34:13] in state law.
[4:34:18] We can see the correlation of
[4:34:20] that in density in locations.
[4:34:22] This is not targeting in a way
[4:34:25] that is intended based upon the
[4:34:29] individual folks that are using
[4:34:31] these businesses for lawful use
[4:34:33] and the types of activities that
[4:34:35] you're describing.
[4:34:37] What we're talking about is the
[4:34:40] type of activities we know are
[4:34:42] occurring in this business.
[4:34:44] The paraphernalia and other
[4:34:45] items utilized for other types
[4:34:48] of use that are not the original
[4:34:49] intended use of these
[4:34:50] businesses.
[4:34:51] This is not related to
[4:34:54] businesses that are not nicotine
[4:34:57] primary businesses as well.
[4:35:00] To the question around cvs and
[4:35:01] others.
[4:35:02] There are specific rules that
[4:35:04] put a husband into that kaality
[4:35:12] .
[4:35:13] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I am aware
[4:35:14] this does not affect large
[4:35:14] businesses.
[4:35:16] We would never pass an ordinance
[4:35:19] in our city that would say, hey,
[4:35:25] cvs, walgreen's, chevron,
[4:35:28] smith's, you can't sell tubalk
[4:35:28] obacco
[4:35:29] tobacco.
[4:35:30] We wouldn't do that because
[4:35:31] they're big business and you
[4:35:33] wouldn't want to hurt them.
[4:35:37] but we don't have a problem
[4:35:39] passing something like this that
[4:35:40] is going to hurt almost
[4:35:43] exclusively small, locally owned
[4:35:43] businesses.
[4:35:46] I can tell you and I can pick in
[4:35:49] erica because she's here.
[4:35:51] I'm telling you nothing bad is
[4:35:53] happening in that shop.
[4:35:56] There's no crimes happening.
[4:35:57] It was a lovely day.
[4:36:03] Thank you for the tour.
[4:36:06] We're punishing erica as a small
[4:36:10] business owner because we think
[4:36:11] there's correlation, and
[4:36:13] correlation is not causation.
[4:36:18] I appreciate if we stop saying
[4:36:21] correlation is causation.
[4:36:23] We should all take a statistics
[4:36:24] class.
[4:36:26] I haven't heard data.
[4:36:31] I heard you had data but haven't
[4:36:33] seen it.
[4:36:36] I asked for it seven weeks ago.
[4:36:38] I have not seen it in seven
[4:36:39] weeks.
[4:36:41] I have not seen a problem with
[4:36:45] data being linked with cannabis
[4:36:46] stores near a cigar store.
[4:36:49] That is unfortunate.
[4:36:52] I also asked seven and a half
[4:36:54] weeks ago about the use of
[4:36:55] nuisance ordinance.
[4:36:58] We have an ordinance in place
[4:37:01] that deals with problem
[4:37:02] properties.
[4:37:05] What I heard commander talking
[4:37:09] about is there are a few places
[4:37:12] where there are congregations of
[4:37:12] people.
[4:37:14] I didn't hear proof that it was
[4:37:15] one of these stores.
[4:37:16] But there are congregations of
[4:37:20] people that are causing
[4:37:21] problems.
[4:37:22] And I believe that is the reason
[4:37:25] we have a nuisance ordinance.
[4:37:27] A nuisance property ordinance.
[4:37:30] I asked for details seven and a
[4:37:32] half weeks ago on how many times
[4:37:35] has that nuisance ordinance been
[4:37:38] used to go after a problem
[4:37:43] cannabis store or cigar store or
[4:37:44] tobacco store.
[4:37:45] Again, haven't received
[4:37:45] anything.
[4:37:47] I have to assume that data does
[4:37:49] not exist because why else would
[4:37:51] you not share for seven and a
[4:37:53] half weeks?
[4:37:55] I do have one question for the
[4:37:57] council sponsor.
[4:37:58] You mentioned you worked with
[4:37:58] industry.
[4:38:00] Can you tell us who you worked
[4:38:00] with?
[4:38:03] I've gotten lots of letters,
[4:38:05] including the cannabis
[4:38:06] association of new mexico that
[4:38:08] said they were not worked with.
[4:38:10] I'm curious if you can give us a
[4:38:13] list of who was at those
[4:38:13] meetings?
[4:38:16] >>coun. Grout: MR. Jeff apodaca
[4:38:17] was there.
[4:38:22] I worked with him.
[4:38:25] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I appreciate
[4:38:25] that.
[4:38:27] We did all receive a letter from
[4:38:29] the cannabis association of new
[4:38:29] mexico.
[4:38:31] Which is the actual industry
[4:38:35] that is representing cannabis
[4:38:36] retail.
[4:38:39] And they are adamantly opposed
[4:38:42] to this proposal.
[4:38:44] I don't know that we have a
[4:38:45] tobacco association.
[4:38:47] I did look around for one.
[4:38:48] I couldn't find one.
[4:38:51] I can pretty much guarantee they
[4:38:53] would also be in opposition to
[4:38:55] this because it seems like we
[4:38:58] have chosen these two industries
[4:39:00] to be the evil devil that is
[4:39:01] causing all of our problems in
[4:39:02] our city.
[4:39:03] I just do not believe that is
[4:39:04] the case.
[4:39:07] Given, seven and a half weeks
[4:39:09] and apd, planning department,
[4:39:10] the administration, they've had
[4:39:12] lots of time to call all the
[4:39:13] councilors and lobby pretty hard
[4:39:15] on this bill.
[4:39:17] But they haven't had time to
[4:39:20] gather data and share with us.
[4:39:22] I think that is very
[4:39:23] unfortunate.
[4:39:25] I wanted to talk a little bit
[4:39:27] about the paraphernalia that I
[4:39:31] guess you can buy from cannabis
[4:39:31] stores.
[4:39:32] Or perhaps cigar store.
[4:39:36] I don't know if there's anything
[4:39:38] for sale in a cigar store.
[4:39:40] I believe there's also things in
[4:39:42] smith's that could be used for
[4:39:44] paraphernal
[4:39:45] paraphernalia.
[4:39:46] Again, we're not going after
[4:39:48] large businesses.
[4:39:52] We're only targeting small,
[4:39:54] locally owned businesses because
[4:39:56] someone in the administration
[4:39:57] decided these types of
[4:39:59] businesses aren't good.
[4:40:00] Now, there are businesses out
[4:40:04] there that have a real problem.
[4:40:06] I believe and commander, if you
[4:40:08] have different data, everything
[4:40:12] I ever read and asked about, the
[4:40:15] number one cause of problems
[4:40:18] with violence, with theft, with
[4:40:21] robbery, with drunk driving, are
[4:40:25] all from bars, and retail
[4:40:26] alcohol sales.
[4:40:29] I noticed that none of that is
[4:40:30] included in this bill.
[4:40:34] We have not decided they're bad.
[4:40:34] Someone in the administration
[4:40:36] doesn't like the way smoke shops
[4:40:38] look and the way cannabis stores
[4:40:38] look.
[4:40:41] I think that is really a
[4:40:42] dangerous sliply slope when
[4:40:46] you're looking at how to
[4:40:47] regulate our city.
[4:40:51] Our regulatory structure is
[4:40:52] supposed to help the citizens of
[4:40:54] albuquerque and we're supposed
[4:40:55] to help small businesses.
[4:40:57] Rather than doing that, we're
[4:41:00] looking for a bogeyman and we're
[4:41:01] saying your cannabis staff is
[4:41:04] that bogeyman.
[4:41:06] Again, we have zero other
[4:41:08] examples anywhere in our
[4:41:11] regulatory structure in the
[4:41:13] city -- anywhere, that says one
[4:41:16] business type can't be next to
[4:41:18] another business type.
[4:41:20] Of course we have school
[4:41:22] separations and things like
[4:41:24] that, but this bill is a
[4:41:25] solution to a problem that is
[4:41:27] made up by the administration
[4:41:28] because they don't like cannabis
[4:41:31] stores and they don't like smoke
[4:41:31] shops.
[4:41:33] I'm here to say I like cannabis
[4:41:34] stores.
[4:41:36] I like smoke shops.
[4:41:37] I don't like cigar stores, but
[4:41:38] I'm certainly not going to try
[4:41:40] to use my power to make sure
[4:41:44] that they go away.
[4:41:46] Thank you.
[4:41:46] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor rogers.
[4:41:48] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[4:41:49] PRESIDENT.
[4:41:50] I think as the council district
[4:41:53] that you can look at the data
[4:41:55] has the highest concentration of
[4:41:58] smoke-vape shops and cannabis
[4:42:00] shops, for my district she is
[4:42:01] absolutely something we need to
[4:42:02] figure out.
[4:42:04] I don't know that this gets to
[4:42:04] that.
[4:42:06] In my district, I've asked for
[4:42:09] help from our law enforcement
[4:42:10] partners, specifically on some
[4:42:12] of the ones we know are hot
[4:42:12] spots.
[4:42:14] I'm a person that wants to get
[4:42:16] to the root cause of the issue.
[4:42:18] I don't think it's the business
[4:42:18] type.
[4:42:21] For my district, I took myself
[4:42:22] into some of these smoke shops
[4:42:25] and literally walked around,
[4:42:28] looked for myself what was going
[4:42:28] on.
[4:42:30] What I found is in the ones that
[4:42:32] are hot spots in our district,
[4:42:35] they're allowing folks to use
[4:42:38] ebt to purchase smoke products
[4:42:39] and paraphernalia.
[4:42:44] I witnessed it with my own eyes.
[4:42:45] I was able to get help.
[4:42:49] I want to shout out ben baker
[4:42:51] from the governor's office who
[4:42:53] worked with me for human
[4:42:55] services to do a sting
[4:42:55] operation.
[4:42:57] In those smoke shops, two out of
[4:42:59] the three in my district were
[4:43:02] absolutely found using --
[4:43:09] letting people illegally use
[4:43:09] ebt.
[4:43:12] They have since gotten their ebt
[4:43:13] privileges revoked.
[4:43:19] You have seen a major difference
[4:43:22] difference -- deputy chief,
[4:43:25] we've seen a huge difference and
[4:43:28] a decrease in the activity in
[4:43:30] front of these smoke shops
[4:43:31] because people can no longer
[4:43:33] commit ebt fraud.
[4:43:36] And that's why these businesses
[4:43:37] were hot spots and continue to
[4:43:38] be hot spots.
[4:43:40] I would like us to keep working
[4:43:43] on the root causes of the issue.
[4:43:45] And getting those particular
[4:43:50] business owners that are doing
[4:43:52] those things held accountable
[4:43:56] and not all cannabis and all
[4:43:57] nicotine shops.
[4:43:59] Because that is what is really
[4:44:00] going to help us.
[4:44:03] Trust me, I would love to see
[4:44:07] some of these places close at
[4:44:08] 11:00 o'clock.
[4:44:10] I'm with law enforcement on
[4:44:10] that.
[4:44:11] I would love to see that.
[4:44:13] But to councilor fiebelkorn's
[4:44:15] point, if we're not going to do
[4:44:18] that across the board for all
[4:44:20] businesses that sell nick
[4:44:21] otine
[4:44:24] and alcohol and cannabis, just
[4:44:29] like withdrew my amendment for
[4:44:30] the other one, I don't think
[4:44:33] this is not the right way to do
[4:44:33] it.
[4:44:35] For me and my district, it's
[4:44:37] about getting to the root cause
[4:44:38] of the issue.
[4:44:40] And working with our partners at
[4:44:42] the state to shut those things
[4:44:44] down.
[4:44:45] This doesn't get to that root
[4:44:46] cause.
[4:44:47] I do want them separated and all
[4:44:48] the things.
[4:44:50] But I think we should do it
[4:44:52] across the board and treat all
[4:44:54] the businesses same rather than
[4:44:57] just one or the other.
[4:45:00] Thank you.
[4:45:02] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM
[4:45:02] PRESIDENT.
[4:45:05] We're not hitting the root cause
[4:45:06] oftentimes.
[4:45:09] I wish I could get rid of all
[4:45:09] guns.
[4:45:11] If we get rid of guns, we'll
[4:45:12] stop gun violence.
[4:45:13] Not going to happen.
[4:45:15] We have to regulate it other
[4:45:15] ways.
[4:45:22] Just like everything else, it's
[4:45:32] a zoning question.
[4:45:33] Councilor lewis, I totally
[4:45:34] respect his position.
[4:45:37] He also doesn't have metal
[4:45:38] recyclers down the road and
[4:45:40] doesn't have cannabis down the
[4:45:40] road.
[4:45:41] He doesn't get all the calls
[4:45:43] that district two gets regularly
[4:45:44] about this.
[4:45:47] Just like everything else, good
[4:45:48] actors will be grandfathered in.
[4:45:50] They be fine if they're good
[4:45:50] players.
[4:45:51] They're still going to be here
[4:45:53] five or ten years from now.
[4:45:54] This is just working toward the
[4:45:55] future and working toward fixing
[4:45:57] a problem that does exist.
[4:46:01] We know it exists.
[4:46:03] This isn't the perfect solution
[4:46:04] by any means.
[4:46:07] Where was reached out to by
[4:46:09] cannabis industry, asking for
[4:46:10] hours to be curtailed because
[4:46:13] they couldn't do it themselves.
[4:46:15] To me, that's surprising, but
[4:46:15] that's real.
[4:46:18] For those of us who live in
[4:46:19] districts that have to deal with
[4:46:20] all these problems regularly,
[4:46:24] it's a step in the right
[4:46:25] direction.
[4:46:25] Thank you.
[4:46:26] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor telles.
[4:46:28] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM
[4:46:28] PRESIDENT.
[4:46:30] DR. Sengel, I just have a couple
[4:46:33] follow-up questions regarding
[4:46:38] our concentration for calls of
[4:46:39] service.
[4:46:41] When you were reviewing the
[4:46:43] calls of service data, was it
[4:46:46] equally reliable across the
[4:46:47] neighborhoods or did some areas
[4:46:50] get more patrol presence and
[4:46:52] thus generate more calls
[4:46:53] independent of actual
[4:46:56] conditions?
[4:46:58] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I want to
[4:47:00] actually defer to either our
[4:47:03] executive director of public
[4:47:05] safety or deputy chief so they
[4:47:09] can technically answer that
[4:47:16] question.
[4:47:18] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:47:19] telles, can you rephrase the
[4:47:20] question for me?
[4:47:21] >> yeah.
[4:47:23] I just want to know if you're
[4:47:25] referring to concentration of
[4:47:28] calls for service, how are you
[4:47:33] making sure that it is equally
[4:47:35] reliable across neighborhoods?
[4:47:36] Per capita.
[4:47:38] do some areas get some more
[4:47:40] patrol presence and because of
[4:47:44] that generate more calls
[4:47:47] independent of the actual
[4:47:49] business use and matters
[4:47:50] happening in the area?
[4:47:52] >> when we're looking at the
[4:47:55] overall data, we're looking at
[4:47:58] specific to what those calls for
[4:47:58] service were.
[4:48:00] Some of these cases, they could
[4:48:01] have been the actual business
[4:48:03] themselves looking at it as a
[4:48:04] victim.
[4:48:05] We have to look through all
[4:48:08] those calls and decipher what it
[4:48:09] is that they're requesting and
[4:48:11] what kind of services they're
[4:48:12] asking from apd.
[4:48:14] When we looked at all that data
[4:48:16] collect frbly is when we started
[4:48:20] to see what's been rev
[4:48:21] ferenced as
[4:48:22] hot spots.
[4:48:24] Looking at it, and it goes back
[4:48:26] to something that councilor
[4:48:28] champine said, you kind of know
[4:48:30] what are the areas that are
[4:48:31] causing the situation.
[4:48:32] You have different resources and
[4:48:33] tools.
[4:48:34] I think when we're looking at
[4:48:35] these calls for services
[4:48:37] specific to these areas we
[4:48:38] already any there's issues and
[4:48:39] concerns.
[4:48:41] It's not a mystery to any of us
[4:48:42] that we're responding to an area
[4:48:43] that needs to be addressed.
[4:48:45] We're looking at those specific
[4:48:47] calls across the city, not just
[4:48:48] in the specific area, but there
[4:48:50] are certain areas impacted more.
[4:48:52] More so when we're talking about
[4:48:53] specific districts.
[4:48:54] When we're looking at calls for
[4:48:56] service, we're looking also for
[4:48:58] correlation between the type of
[4:48:59] activity that is happening, and
[4:49:01] where it is that we're
[4:49:01] responding to.
[4:49:05] And we're correlating those
[4:49:05] things.
[4:49:07] We're not saying there's a
[4:49:09] causation, there's just emphasis
[4:49:11] into the types of calls we're
[4:49:13] responding into the specific
[4:49:14] areas.
[4:49:15] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM
[4:49:18] PRESIDENT and director.
[4:49:25] How, then, did you address the
[4:49:26] measurement bias of those
[4:49:30] independent conditions?
[4:49:32] What were the distributional
[4:49:33] effects there?
[4:49:35] Who lived in the zones that were
[4:49:36] being restricted?
[4:49:38] Who benefits from that type of
[4:49:38] restriction?
[4:49:40] I'm just trying to figure out
[4:49:42] when you reviewed your data, did
[4:49:47] you account for any potential
[4:49:48] dis
[4:49:49] disproportional impacts on low
[4:49:52] income residents, renters,
[4:49:56] demographic groups when you were
[4:49:58] excluding or including certain
[4:49:59] populations?
[4:50:01] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:50:02] telles, no.
[4:50:03] We're really responding to what
[4:50:07] the activity is of those calls.
[4:50:09] That would be across the board.
[4:50:11] We didn't respond to any call or
[4:50:14] community regardless of who it
[4:50:17] is putting the sols
[4:50:18] calls.
[4:50:20] It's the same manner regardless
[4:50:26] of the call set out.
[4:50:27] >>coun. Telles: that's very
[4:50:28] helpful.
[4:50:29] The data wasn't full a measured.
[4:50:32] If the goal is public safety,
[4:50:35] why is zoning -- why is
[4:50:37] restriction the chosen lever
[4:50:41] here rather than public safety
[4:50:41] tools?
[4:50:43] Like more patrol allocation,
[4:50:46] more lighting, more code
[4:50:47] enforcement, more essential
[4:50:48] services.
[4:50:49] I know you have a proactive
[4:50:50] response team.
[4:50:53] Are they being called out to
[4:50:55] these response teams?
[4:50:56] I'm in close conversations with
[4:50:58] the officers in the southwest
[4:51:00] area command and northwest area
[4:51:01] command because my district
[4:51:03] doesn't have an area command.
[4:51:07] We do have a cute little place
[4:51:10] where you can -- if you need to
[4:51:12] report something you can go to
[4:51:14] our office off of ouray.
[4:51:16] I digress.
[4:51:18] What I'm trying to say is I know
[4:51:21] that unlike the northwest area
[4:51:24] command, I have six officers in
[4:51:26] that area that between MAY 1st
[4:51:35] and JULY 31st had 950 calls.
[4:51:37] To councilor champine's point of
[4:51:39] having a point to do this, you
[4:51:42] have a response team, but I'm
[4:51:44] not sure that any of our other
[4:51:46] officers can take on much more
[4:51:47] capacity.
[4:51:51] Again, if public safety is the
[4:51:53] goal, why zoning?
[4:51:55] It doesn't seem that the policy
[4:51:59] here fits the problem.
[4:52:02] We're using -- we're trying to
[4:52:07] fit a swear block into a round
[4:52:09] round -- thank you.
[4:52:13] It doesn't make sense to me.
[4:52:15] I think restrictive based zoning
[4:52:18] has been the most consistent
[4:52:21] finding in various types of
[4:52:23] literature that is against using
[4:52:26] restrictive zoning as a crime
[4:52:27] reduction tool.
[4:52:31] There's no studies that find
[4:52:34] that it actually works.
[4:52:36] So, I want public safety.
[4:52:38] That's a big reason why I was
[4:52:40] pushing to try to use some of
[4:52:43] our apd dollars from recruitment
[4:52:48] to go toward violence prevention
[4:52:51] and more patrol allocations and
[4:52:52] more social services and more
[4:52:54] code enforcement.
[4:52:58] i just don't think zoning a land
[4:53:02] use tool is proper policy fit
[4:53:04] for the problem you're trying to
[4:53:05] solve here.
[4:53:08] Thank you for clarifying on how
[4:53:12] your data was being reviewed.
[4:53:14] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, if I MAY?
[4:53:15] I think it would be helpful if
[4:53:17] we showed the overall map where
[4:53:19] we had the calls.
[4:53:23] If we could display that, for
[4:53:25] the dc to walk over where these
[4:53:27] calls are and these hot spots
[4:53:28] we've been talking about.
[4:53:30] I think it would be helpful.
[4:53:34] >>coun. Pe}a: that would be
[4:53:46] good.
[4:53:47] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilors,
[4:53:49] the data that you're seeing in
[4:53:51] front of you is our calls for
[4:53:55] service for a rolling year.
[4:53:58] And my understanding is as the
[4:54:00] shapes increase in size, that's
[4:54:02] the increase in volume of
[4:54:03] different calls.
[4:54:05] I would also state to you, like
[4:54:08] to councilor telles's point,
[4:54:10] like I talked about earlier,
[4:54:12] when we have different
[4:54:13] geographical regions of the
[4:54:16] city, there are different
[4:54:20] factors such as low lower income
[4:54:21] real estate.
[4:54:24] Whether it's motels or social
[4:54:25] services that have brought
[4:54:26] individuals to the area.
[4:54:29] That obviously is bringing those
[4:54:31] people to the area.
[4:54:34] Since we see that concentration
[4:54:37] of people, you can clearly see,
[4:54:40] especially in district six, we
[4:54:44] have a higher call volume at
[4:54:46] these nicotine retailers.
[4:54:48] And breaking down what the
[4:54:49] actual calls are compared to
[4:54:51] other areas of the city, that's
[4:54:53] where we see the trend of all of
[4:54:59] our proactive enforcement to
[4:55:00] vice PRESIDENT Champine's point
[4:55:02] is we're there every day making
[4:55:02] arrests.
[4:55:05] Our prt is there every day.
[4:55:07] It's not stopping for us.
[4:55:10] Compared to other areas of the
[4:55:14] city, you can see that these
[4:55:16] particular regions that are
[4:55:19] increasing the call for service
[4:55:22] us -- for us.
[4:55:23] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor telles.
[4:55:24] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM
[4:55:25] PRESIDENT.
[4:55:27] Thank you, dc.
[4:55:28] Here's my question.
[4:55:30] If we removed that tomorrow.
[4:55:32] Let's just say tomorrow we
[4:55:34] snapped our fingers and we
[4:55:37] removed nicotine shops were --
[4:55:42] all problem shops that relate to
[4:55:44] increased, you know, call
[4:55:46] volume, is there evidence that
[4:55:47] calls would drop?
[4:55:51] Or would they just shift to the
[4:55:54] next most visible property
[4:55:54] problem area?
[4:55:57] If we restrict this on nicotine
[4:56:01] shops and cannabis shops, are
[4:56:03] those calls going to drop, or
[4:56:05] are they just going to shift to
[4:56:06] the next business?
[4:56:09] Is it going to shift to bars?
[4:56:12] Is it going to shift to whatever
[4:56:14] other type of business that's
[4:56:16] the most visible and vulnerable?
[4:56:18] And are we going to have to come
[4:56:20] back here and see we're still
[4:56:22] seeing calls here and it didn't
[4:56:24] work so we need to restrict
[4:56:28] other businesses and zoning?
[4:56:30] I just want to know when are we
[4:56:33] going to actually create policy
[4:56:35] that fits the problem.
[4:56:37] Because a land use tool is not
[4:56:41] the right lever for public
[4:56:41] safety.
[4:56:45] It's investing in public safety
[4:56:47] reduction, not tearing down
[4:56:48] business owners.
[4:56:52] I would actually be willing to
[4:56:54] subsidize security cameras for
[4:56:55] some of these businesses.
[4:56:58] that's a public safety tool that
[4:57:00] has been actually proven to
[4:57:03] reduce these type of calls.
[4:57:08] I just don't believe that -- I
[4:57:10] believe you're getting calls.
[4:57:11] But I don't know that the ratio
[4:57:16] of these calls are necessarily
[4:57:19] necessarily -- again, it's the
[4:57:22] correlation versus causation.
[4:57:23] Is it because they're just
[4:57:25] elevated for other reasons,
[4:57:29] poverty, density, foot traffic?
[4:57:31] It's not the right policy fit to
[4:57:33] solve the problem.
[4:57:37] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[4:57:41] telles, I can respond.
[4:57:43] I understand your point, but I
[4:57:46] definitely would point out it
[4:57:48] depends on -- you're asking
[4:57:50] like, well, if you get rid of it
[4:57:52] is the crime just going to go to
[4:57:54] a different business.
[4:57:55] Each business has its own
[4:57:57] particular set of crimes.
[4:57:59] We've seen with our retailers
[4:58:01] where theft is the number one
[4:58:02] issue.
[4:58:03] We've seen with our cell phone
[4:58:05] stores or other small
[4:58:06] businesses, especially in the
[4:58:08] northeast rights, burglary is
[4:58:09] our issue.
[4:58:10] I have personally seen the calls
[4:58:13] for service data where I pull
[4:58:14] statistic for six different
[4:58:16] liquor stores, there were no
[4:58:17] calls for service.
[4:58:19] I'm sure bars, you're going to
[4:58:21] sigh fights and disturbances and
[4:58:23] DWIs.
[4:58:25] But each particular genre of
[4:58:26] business, if that's the right
[4:58:28] term, has their own set of
[4:58:30] crimes, unfortunately.
[4:58:32] With this particular nicotine
[4:58:34] retailers and cannabis locations
[4:58:36] where they're densely populated,
[4:58:38] the types of crime I'm seeing is
[4:58:41] violent crimes and open-air drug
[4:58:46] use such that pulls so much
[4:58:48] resources every day from
[4:58:49] community safety, albuquerque
[4:58:53] fire rescue and apd.
[4:58:53] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor
[4:58:54] fiebelkorn.
[4:58:55] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[4:58:55] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[4:58:56] First of all, can you scroll
[4:58:57] down.
[4:59:01] I assume there's some sort of
[4:59:01] legend.
[4:59:02] Administration, it would have
[4:59:04] been great if this was shared
[4:59:05] sometime in the last seven and a
[4:59:08] half weeks.
[4:59:08] Okay.
[4:59:12] Those are cad calls.
[4:59:12] Okay.
[4:59:12] Thank you.
[4:59:15] Is this the entire entity of the
[4:59:17] data that has been gathered to
[4:59:20] support this bill?
[4:59:22] Because all this is is literally
[4:59:26] a map of our city and it shows
[4:59:29] not support for this bill, which
[4:59:33] is for everywhere in our city.
[4:59:38] It covers all of these areas.
[4:59:41] This map, I'm assuming, we have
[4:59:43] people with maps that can do
[4:59:44] this.
[4:59:47] I'm guessing if you overlaid
[4:59:50] crosswalks, bars, transit
[4:59:52] corridors, big box stores,
[4:59:54] grocery stores, corner stores,
[4:59:59] dark streets, any of those
[5:00:00] things would overlap because
[5:00:01] what you're seeing is a map of
[5:00:03] our city where there are hot
[5:00:06] spots that need attention by
[5:00:06] apd.
[5:00:09] I don't see any data that proves
[5:00:13] that a cannabis store nextdore
[5:00:16] to a cigar store impacts this.
[5:00:19] I'm sorry, I called you
[5:00:19] commander.
[5:00:21] Your now deputy chief.
[5:00:23] I apologize for misremembering.
[5:00:25] But the deputy chief has been
[5:00:27] clear that there are many
[5:00:30] cannabis stores and cigar stores
[5:00:32] and tobacco stores all around
[5:00:33] the city that do not have calls
[5:00:36] for service.
[5:00:38] So, I appreciate the map, but
[5:00:40] it's really proving my point not
[5:00:42] the point of the bill that's in
[5:00:45] front of us.
[5:00:48] Still would have like to have it
[5:00:50] about seven and a half weeks
[5:00:50] ago.
[5:00:52] I appreciate it.
[5:00:53] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor baca.
[5:00:54] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM
[5:00:55] PRESIDENT.
[5:00:57] I'm looking at this map and I'll
[5:00:59] take district one as an example.
[5:01:01] There are only shops on unser
[5:01:05] and coors boulevard zoned to
[5:01:05] allow these.
[5:01:09] And the rest of district one is
[5:01:09] black.
[5:01:11] Because of the restrictive
[5:01:13] zoning in those areas that don't
[5:01:17] allow anything but single family
[5:01:17] homes.
[5:01:19] I've got three or four metal
[5:01:21] shops down the road where it's
[5:01:23] hard to get any other husbands
[5:01:23] near them.
[5:01:26] There's zero chance we could
[5:01:30] open a metal shop in that big
[5:01:32] black blocks in district one.
[5:01:33] Zoning matters lot.
[5:01:35] What we allow in certain areas.
[5:01:36] In this case, whatever is
[5:01:38] already there exists.
[5:01:40] You're not taking that away
[5:01:41] unless there's bad actor.
[5:01:42] In which case, we can see where
[5:01:45] those folks are.
[5:01:47] Ideally, if you get rid of the
[5:01:50] bad actors and the good actors
[5:01:51] stay and you don't get new
[5:01:52] players in that area.
[5:01:54] Over time this gets better.
[5:01:56] We use zoning for a ton of
[5:01:57] things.
[5:01:58] We are always trying to add
[5:02:00] zoning ability in our city.
[5:02:02] This is one of those.
[5:02:05] we have so much restriking
[5:02:05] e ing
[5:02:06] ing
[5:02:06] e ing
[5:02:07] ing --
[5:02:07] restrictive zoning in the city.
[5:02:10] But it appears as if it doesn't
[5:02:11] make a difference.
[5:02:13] But that's because it's always
[5:02:15] that way because of restrictive
[5:02:17] zoning.
[5:02:19] You can look at this map in a
[5:02:21] variety of ways and it's clear
[5:02:22] with it's happening.
[5:02:24] Those of us that deal with this
[5:02:26] on regular basis, I would love
[5:02:28] to see this problem get better.
[5:02:29] This is one tool.
[5:02:33] It's not as if it's either or on
[5:02:34] any of these things.
[5:02:37] If we use all the tools and
[5:02:38] adjust them together they all
[5:02:40] get better over time.
[5:02:42] It's never an either or with any
[5:02:45] of these things.
[5:02:45] Thank you.
[5:02:47] >>coun. Pe}a: seeing no other
[5:02:48] questions before I turn it over
[5:02:49] to councilor grout to close.
[5:02:52] I'll just add a few things.
[5:02:55] First of all, just looking at
[5:02:57] this -- the ido and the fact
[5:02:59] that we have cannabis and
[5:03:01] nicotine retail uses throughout
[5:03:04] the ido, I intend to bring back
[5:03:06] an ordinance that changes that
[5:03:08] to the marijuana.
[5:03:11] I don't know that it will pass.
[5:03:13] This is exactly why when we had
[5:03:16] the cannabis equity fund put in
[5:03:18] front of us, I fought really
[5:03:21] hard to make sure we change it
[5:03:25] to the marijuana equity fund and
[5:03:27] this body passed that resolution
[5:03:29] because I think it's important
[5:03:31] because when it was illegal it
[5:03:33] was marijuana, and that's when
[5:03:35] we were being incarcerated and
[5:03:37] put in jail and it became
[5:03:38] popular and legal.
[5:03:41] and they changed it to cannabis.
[5:03:44] I intend to bring that back for
[5:03:44] this.
[5:03:46] The marijuana equity fund.
[5:03:50] I'm proud we're able to get that
[5:03:50] passed.
[5:03:52] When we first talked about
[5:03:53] opening these cannabis shops,
[5:03:56] one of the things -- grace
[5:03:59] talked about it during her
[5:03:59] commentary.
[5:04:01] When we first did this, it was
[5:04:03] really going to be the
[5:04:06] Mcdonald's of cannabis shops.
[5:04:10] And the fact that we fought also
[5:04:12] to make sure that it was a free
[5:04:13] market and everybody who could
[5:04:15] go into business and small
[5:04:18] business owners and people that
[5:04:20] just cobbled up some money, they
[5:04:24] could open up their own
[5:04:27] marijuana shop.
[5:04:28] Anyway, I think that's important
[5:04:31] to say that, yes, the market
[5:04:33] somebody else talked about the
[5:04:34] market dwindling down.
[5:04:35] It's happening.
[5:04:37] But at least those people who
[5:04:40] weren't the Mcdonald's of the
[5:04:42] world would have a shot at
[5:04:43] opening cannabis.
[5:04:45] These are the same people that
[5:04:47] went through all the grief of
[5:04:48] marijuana.
[5:04:50] And then, to say that.
[5:04:54] And we have deputy chief up
[5:04:54] here.
[5:04:56] And we really should have
[5:04:59] planning up here.
[5:05:04] This is really a planning issue.
[5:05:09] To councilor fiebelkorn's point,
[5:05:11] when we're doing restricted
[5:05:13] areas, back to the argument when
[5:05:15] we first did this to allow
[5:05:17] cannabis shops to go wherever
[5:05:19] businesses wanted to go, now
[5:05:21] this is just going in reverse.
[5:05:22] And it's actually going to push
[5:05:23] out.
[5:05:27] And it does create certain areas
[5:05:29] that aren't going to be allowed.
[5:05:31] And some of the districts that
[5:05:33] already see a dis proportion
[5:05:34] proportionate
[5:05:36] amount of this will see more.
[5:05:37] Although, my argument doesn't
[5:05:39] stand so much because I'm proud
[5:05:40] of district three because we do
[5:05:43] have a lot of cannabis shops
[5:05:44] along central.
[5:05:46] Working with southwest area
[5:05:47] command, they do the partnership
[5:05:49] and working with the prt and
[5:05:51] doing all those things we need
[5:05:52] to do.
[5:05:54] Coors and central was bad for a
[5:05:55] minute.
[5:05:56] We worked hard and they did a
[5:05:57] lot of things.
[5:05:59] You can see door and central
[5:06:01] didn't pop up on that map.
[5:06:03] And to the north of central, I
[5:06:08] know we have that in councilor
[5:06:08] telles's district.
[5:06:09] We have that truck stop.
[5:06:12] I know there's a lot of issues
[5:06:12] there.
[5:06:14] But I don't serve that area.
[5:06:15] Just to councilor telles's
[5:06:17] point, we have the southwest
[5:06:21] area command on los volcanes.
[5:06:25] That is in your district for
[5:06:27] that.
[5:06:29] I think I got everything that I
[5:06:32] have on my notes.
[5:06:34] Yeah, I think we have an
[5:06:35] epidemic on our hands.
[5:06:37] Everybody wants a solution and
[5:06:39] try to figure out how we address
[5:06:40] some of the issues.
[5:06:42] But I think targeting certain
[5:06:45] businesses isn't the answer.
[5:06:49] I think we need to do a lot of
[5:06:51] proactive approach.
[5:06:54] Anyway, again, to look to the
[5:06:56] nuisance abatement ordinance
[5:06:57] because this is something that
[5:07:00] was a tool that we used heavily
[5:07:01] at one point.
[5:07:03] I think we should bring that
[5:07:06] back in a strong way but not as
[5:07:08] heavy-handed as we did in the
[5:07:09] past.
[5:07:11] And I will end with that and go
[5:07:14] to councilor grout to close.
[5:07:16] >>coun. Grout: thank you, all.
[5:07:18] I appreciate the dialogue and
[5:07:21] the debate.
[5:07:25] It's good.
[5:07:26] I have nothing against cannabis
[5:07:27] or smoke shops.
[5:07:29] I really don't.
[5:07:31] I don't frequent them.
[5:07:31] That's okay.
[5:07:35] I know they have a purpose.
[5:07:37] I know that there's good in
[5:07:37] them.
[5:07:39] I also know there can be issues
[5:07:40] with them.
[5:07:44] Trying to put a little distance
[5:07:46] between them and our officers
[5:07:53] and afr and acs, they're all
[5:07:54] -- code
[5:07:56] enforcement -- they all asked we
[5:07:59] do something because there's a
[5:07:59] problem.
[5:08:01] If this isn't the answer, we'll
[5:08:03] keep working on it.
[5:08:06] I appreciate everybody that we
[5:08:08] worked with.
[5:08:10] And it will be okay.
[5:08:15] With that, I urge your support.
[5:08:16] [Roll call].
[5:08:19] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:08:21] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:08:24] >>coun. Champine: no.
[5:08:27] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: no.
[5:08:29] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:08:31] >>coun. Lewis: no.
[5:08:33] >>coun. Rogers: no.
[5:08:36] >>coun. Telles: no.
[5:08:40] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[5:08:44] >> fails on a 3-6 vote.
[5:08:45] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:08:49] o-40 repealing roa1994 chapter
[5:08:51] four creating consolidated
[5:08:52] accountability and government
[5:08:54] ordinance governing the ago
[5:08:56] committee office of internal
[5:08:58] audit and office of inspector
[5:08:59] general.
[5:09:00] I move do pass.
[5:09:02] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[5:09:04] and a second by councilor rogers
[5:09:06] for o-40.
[5:09:07] >>coun. Bassan: I'd like to move
[5:09:16] floor substitute.
[5:09:17] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.
[5:09:18] >>coun. Bassan: thank you.
[5:09:20] Just to clarify what's in the
[5:09:22] floor substitute, I did ask
[5:09:24] julia send it out.
[5:09:25] It did go out a little bit later
[5:09:27] than we wanted.
[5:09:30] At the same time we tried to
[5:09:31] notify everyone what was in.
[5:09:33] I want to review what the
[5:09:35] changes are so hopefully you'll
[5:09:36] feel comfortable with it.
[5:09:38] Most of it -- there are
[5:09:39] technical changes.
[5:09:42] But after the last fgo meeting
[5:09:45] we had a while back, the admin
[5:09:47] came to me pointing out some
[5:09:48] issues including technical
[5:09:49] changes but we found a couple of
[5:09:50] other things.
[5:09:53] Running down that list, the
[5:09:54] definition of waste.
[5:09:56] We changed it.
[5:09:58] Instead of the wordf buse in
[5:10:00] that definition, we say
[5:10:01] inefficient use.
[5:10:03] There's also a separate
[5:10:05] definition for the word abuse.
[5:10:11] We didn't want to have that be
[5:10:11] confusing.
[5:10:16] I say we, I mean me.
[5:10:17] Allowing the mayor to review and
[5:10:21] comment on proposed and policy
[5:10:22] procedures from the ago.
[5:10:24] And the council will have to
[5:10:26] approve those policy and
[5:10:27] procedures presented from ago
[5:10:29] while also considering any
[5:10:30] comments that the mayor includes
[5:10:32] and wants to suggest because
[5:10:34] that way there's a little bit of
[5:10:36] both sides that could have some
[5:10:38] kind of input.
[5:10:40] we want it to be consistent with
[5:10:41] the other sections.
[5:10:43] We made sure to clarify adding
[5:10:46] in 15 days to publish reports.
[5:10:50] Changing the timeline for
[5:10:53] publishing of reports from 15
[5:10:55] days to 30 if there's a revised
[5:10:57] report from the ig.
[5:10:59] Which would allow some more
[5:11:01] opportunity for the ig to be
[5:11:02] able to make changes and
[5:11:04] actually complete that revision.
[5:11:10] We would add in the word youth
[5:11:13] for sick leave.
[5:11:15] Instead of the ig having to
[5:11:18] report sick leave to the
[5:11:18] committee.
[5:11:22] Being at the ago committee is
[5:11:29] not -- the ig needs to make sure
[5:11:32] to report their significant use
[5:11:34] of vacation or sick leave.
[5:11:38] The office, both the ig and ia
[5:11:41] office can select out could
[5:11:43] counsel in consultation with the
[5:11:44] city attorney.
[5:11:45] If the city attorney is to
[5:11:48] provide a list of different
[5:11:49] outside legal services and
[5:11:52] different options, the office
[5:11:54] can choose to select one from
[5:11:54] that list.
[5:11:57] Or if the office consulted city
[5:11:59] legal and they want to pick
[5:12:00] somewhere else, that is within
[5:12:03] their purview as well, being
[5:12:05] they're both supposed to be
[5:12:06] independent.
[5:12:08] Adding in the certification
[5:12:10] verification requirements that
[5:12:13] we changed in some of that they
[5:12:15] if the auditor and the inspector
[5:12:17] general voocertain requirements
[5:12:21] that they have to provide,
[5:12:23] verifying certification.
[5:12:24] And it needs to be within
[5:12:25] certain dates.
[5:12:29] We made sure to add in the
[5:12:31] council can be able to offer a
[5:12:32] one-year extension if that
[5:12:34] hasn't been completed within
[5:12:36] that two-year time frame.
[5:12:39] If council decides, but they
[5:12:41] don't have to, to change the
[5:12:43] term that if any kind of
[5:12:45] criminal activity is suspected
[5:12:48] that instead of report to the
[5:12:49] prosecuting authority, it would
[5:12:51] be reporting to the law
[5:12:52] enforcement authority because we
[5:12:54] cannot skip law enforcement and
[5:12:56] go straight to prosecution.
[5:12:57] It's law enforcement that should
[5:12:59] go to prosecution.
[5:13:01] And making sure to add in some
[5:13:03] of the attorney-client privilege
[5:13:05] requirement changes as well as
[5:13:09] some updates to the recruiting
[5:13:11] and hiring that be included in
[5:13:12] the annual report.
[5:13:15] If there are vacancies, whether
[5:13:16] it's through A.G.O. -- I'm
[5:13:19] sorry, if there are vacancies
[5:13:22] between the ig and ia, and
[5:13:25] there's been certain times that
[5:13:27] have gone by that part of the
[5:13:29] annual report coming from the
[5:13:32] A.G.O. And ig and ia should
[5:13:34] include updates on how the
[5:13:34] hiring process has been going
[5:13:38] and what has been done to
[5:13:38] recruit.
[5:13:42] I think I covered it all.
[5:13:43] MS. Coulloudon can help if you
[5:13:45] have more specific questions.
[5:13:48] I open for questions, or I urge
[5:13:50] your spoerality
[5:13:51] upport.
[5:13:52] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[5:13:54] and a second for floor sub.
[5:14:01] [Roll call].
[5:14:04] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:14:05] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:14:08] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:14:10] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:14:12] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:14:14] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:14:16] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:14:17] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:14:18] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:14:19] >> passes unanimously.
[5:14:21] >>coun. Pe}a: back on the bill
[5:14:24] as substituted.
[5:14:26] Do we have anyone signed up to
[5:14:27] speak?
[5:14:29] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:14:42] We have tad.
[5:14:43] >> thank you.
[5:14:49] My name is tad.
[5:14:53] Well, I can see many problems
[5:14:56] with this government.
[5:14:59] We do not -- city has to come up
[5:15:04] with new policy.
[5:15:05] Accountability.
[5:15:08] Inspector general doing what?
[5:15:08] Zero.
[5:15:10] And so on.
[5:15:18] Nobody can touch it.
[5:15:21] We spend this evening discussing
[5:15:24] economic development abuses.
[5:15:26] Abuses with everywhere with
[5:15:31] every nonprofit organization.
[5:15:35] And who is controlling
[5:15:36] everything?
[5:15:37] Nobody from the city.
[5:15:39] That's what they need.
[5:15:42] That is policy.
[5:15:46] Somebody have to step in with
[5:15:46] policy.
[5:15:50] Council better come up and
[5:15:52] somebody have to look at all the
[5:15:52] problems.
[5:15:55] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[5:15:58] That concludes public comment.
[5:16:03] Any questions, comments?
[5:16:04] Councilor bassan to close.
[5:16:05] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:16:06] I know -- I would like to
[5:16:09] request your permission, if
[5:16:10] there is a development of
[5:16:12] wanting to reopen conversation,
[5:16:14] but seeing it appears the
[5:16:16] council doesn't have issues.
[5:16:18] Instead of moving deferral, I'd
[5:16:19] like to make a motion to suspend
[5:16:24] the rules to vote on this at the
[5:16:26] same meeting in which it was
[5:16:29] substituted.
[5:16:31] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[5:16:33] and a second.
[5:16:34] Clarify the motion one more
[5:16:34] time.
[5:16:35] >>coun. Bassan: motion to
[5:16:38] suspend the rules to act upon
[5:16:45] the bill at the same meeting
[5:16:47] which it was substituted.
[5:16:49] [Roll call].
[5:16:50] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:16:50] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:16:52] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:16:55] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:16:57] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:16:59] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:17:00] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:17:02] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:17:02] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:17:05] >> passes unanimously.
[5:17:06] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[5:17:09] We're now on o-41.
[5:17:09] Councilor bassan.
[5:17:10] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:17:13] I think we're still on o-40.
[5:17:16] As substitute.
[5:17:16] >>coun. Pe}a: I'm sorry.
[5:17:17] Councilor bassan.
[5:17:19] >>coun. Bassan: I urge your
[5:17:20] support.
[5:17:21] >>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk.
[5:17:24] [Roll call].
[5:17:28] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:17:29] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:17:30] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:17:33] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:17:34] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:17:36] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:17:38] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:17:39] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:17:40] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:17:41] >> passes unanimously.
[5:17:45] >>coun. Pe}a: now, we're on
[5:17:45] o-41.
[5:17:47] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:17:49] o-41, amending the whistleblower
[5:17:52] ordinance, roa1994 chapter three
[5:17:53] article seven.
[5:17:54] I move do pass.
[5:17:55] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[5:17:56] and a second by councilor rogers
[5:17:59] for do pass of o-41.
[5:18:00] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:18:04] if you will please bear with me,
[5:18:05] i don't know if I have ever done
[5:18:07] this, but I'm going to read to
[5:18:09] you some of the significant
[5:18:13] changes or the changes in this
[5:18:16] version of the whistleblower
[5:18:16] ordinance.
[5:18:17] I know councilor telles has one
[5:18:18] coming down the pipe to
[5:18:19] committee.
[5:18:21] I just want to make sure to
[5:18:24] clarify for the public's
[5:18:26] information as well as the
[5:18:28] council's what this one has in
[5:18:28] it.
[5:18:31] That way it can be, I hope, more
[5:18:32] clear for everybody.
[5:18:34] Please bear with me.
[5:18:37] The general edits are citation
[5:18:39] edits and emphasizing that city
[5:18:40] employees are the reporting body
[5:18:43] to properly report improper
[5:18:45] governmental action.
[5:18:48] And some of the more
[5:18:49] comprehensive summaries are
[5:18:51] changing to the reporting
[5:18:51] procedures.
[5:18:54] This bill makes two substantive
[5:18:56] amendments to the reporting
[5:18:57] procedures.
[5:18:58] First when submitting a
[5:18:59] complaint the complainant must
[5:19:01] include sufficient facts.
[5:19:04] If true, establish the improper
[5:19:05] government action occurred.
[5:19:07] In addition to the existing
[5:19:10] limitation on oig investigations
[5:19:12] into discrimination labor law
[5:19:15] matters and other matters, the
[5:19:17] inspector general shall not
[5:19:19] accept complaints related to
[5:19:21] retaliation based on status in a
[5:19:23] protected class or protected
[5:19:23] activity.
[5:19:26] Violations related to collective
[5:19:29] bargaining agreement matters,
[5:19:30] violations of the merit system
[5:19:31] ordinance or matters under
[5:19:33] investigation by any state or
[5:19:34] federal agency.
[5:19:38] The other change is changes to
[5:19:39] the investigative procedures
[5:19:40] section.
[5:19:42] It amends several of those.
[5:19:44] First it mandates investigations
[5:19:45] are conducted in a timely manner
[5:19:47] by an independent and qualified
[5:19:49] fact finder.
[5:19:50] Second, the bill clarifies that
[5:19:52] all city employees board
[5:19:53] commission and committee members
[5:19:55] and elected officials shall
[5:19:57] assist the oig in investigation.
[5:19:59] Including making them
[5:20:02] self-available for interview.
[5:20:04] And the inspector MAY decline to
[5:20:06] investigate a complaint if the
[5:20:07] allegations have been
[5:20:09] investigated or adjudicated by
[5:20:10] human resources.
[5:20:13] Any state or federal agency or
[5:20:13] arbitration.
[5:20:15] Last, this bill requires in this
[5:20:17] section the city to maintain the
[5:20:19] secure case management and
[5:20:21] tracking system for all
[5:20:22] complaints investigated pursuant
[5:20:23] to this ordinance.
[5:20:25] I have an upcoming amendment to
[5:20:27] clarify one of the
[5:20:29] technicalities on that.
[5:20:30] Under the confidentiality
[5:20:31] section it prohibits disclosure
[5:20:34] of a complainants identity
[5:20:35] without consent.
[5:20:36] And when disclosure is
[5:20:38] necessary, reasonable advanced
[5:20:41] notice shall be provided.
[5:20:43] Personally identifiable
[5:20:45] information must be protected by
[5:20:50] the max misdemeanor extent.
[5:20:52] Retaliation section, it directs
[5:20:53] employees to submit complaints
[5:20:55] in accord once the grievance
[5:20:56] resolution procedure.
[5:20:57] Unclassified employees MAY
[5:20:59] submit complains to their
[5:21:01] department director or human
[5:21:02] resources.
[5:21:03] In either situation, if there
[5:21:05] has been a finding of
[5:21:06] retaliation against the
[5:21:07] employee, it should be remedied
[5:21:11] by reversing any disciplinary
[5:21:13] action, expunging materials from
[5:21:16] the employee's personnel file
[5:21:19] and the cao shall determine
[5:21:21] whether additional actions shall
[5:21:24] be needed to address retaliatory
[5:21:24] actions taken.
[5:21:32] This clarifies what constitutes
[5:21:35] retaliation.
[5:21:38] Under the city's action
[5:21:40] sections, it requires that
[5:21:41] employees know of their
[5:21:43] protections granted by the
[5:21:45] whistleblower protection
[5:21:45] ordinance.
[5:21:48] And noticed prepared by the oig,
[5:21:50] the city must ensure awareness
[5:21:52] of the whistleblower protections
[5:21:53] through training onboarding
[5:21:56] accessible and contractor vendor
[5:21:57] notification.
[5:21:58] Additionally, this will impose
[5:22:01] the deadline for oig to submit
[5:22:02] the report to the city council
[5:22:04] within 60 days of the end of
[5:22:05] each fiscal year.
[5:22:06] We got our first report for the
[5:22:09] first time in the city's history
[5:22:10] last year.
[5:22:12] This is like a tiny thing, but I
[5:22:14] think it's important we put a
[5:22:16] date so it doesn't get
[5:22:18] overlooked by accident.
[5:22:20] Those are some of the -- that's
[5:22:22] the nuts and bolts of this
[5:22:23] whistleblower ordinance update
[5:22:25] which has been in the works and
[5:22:31] I worked with admin and ig and
[5:22:31] legal.
[5:22:33] This is part of that process
[5:22:35] that we've been going through.
[5:22:38] With that, MADAM PRESIDENT, can
[5:22:40] I move my more technical
[5:22:41] amendment before the other
[5:22:43] amendments?
[5:22:45] >>coun. Pe}a: sure.
[5:22:46] >>coun. Bassan: thank you.
[5:22:47] It's right here.
[5:22:49] i would like to move amendment
[5:22:49] one.
[5:22:53] It's in your ipad.
[5:22:56] I promise it's really technical,
[5:22:57] not too gross.
[5:23:00] On page, eight, line three.
[5:23:02] Amend the section as follows.
[5:23:04] Instead of it saying the city
[5:23:06] shall maintain a secure case
[5:23:07] management and tracking system,
[5:23:11] change it to say the office of
[5:23:13] inspector general shall maintain
[5:23:14] secure case management and
[5:23:14] tracking system.
[5:23:17] This is pointed out by the ig.
[5:23:19] And our legal team decided that
[5:23:22] was probably a more accurate use
[5:23:24] of the proper term, not just for
[5:23:28] the city to do it.
[5:23:29] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[5:23:31] and three seconds.
[5:23:32] I'll take councilor grout's
[5:23:35] because she said it first.
[5:23:36] Councilor grout.
[5:23:41] For floor amendment number one.
[5:23:42] Let me write that down.
[5:23:45] Any discussion?
[5:23:50] [Roll call].
[5:23:52] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:23:54] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:23:56] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:23:59] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:24:02] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:24:04] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:24:06] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:24:07] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:24:08] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:24:11] >> passes unanimously.
[5:24:12] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[5:24:16] We are -- is that -- does that
[5:24:18] conclude your items?
[5:24:19] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:24:21] >>coun. Pe}a: I'm going to move
[5:24:22] to councilor telles.
[5:24:25] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM
[5:24:26] PRESIDENT.
[5:24:30] I have three amendments to bring
[5:24:31] forward.
[5:24:33] I just want -- before I go
[5:24:40] forward with these, I want to
[5:24:41] thank councilor bassan for
[5:24:43] moving forward in her work and
[5:24:45] restructuring the institution
[5:24:50] here of the whistleblower
[5:24:51] ordinance.
[5:24:53] These amendments work on the
[5:24:57] reporter's side of the same
[5:24:58] system.
[5:25:01] I think -- just so everyone
[5:25:02] knows, to clarify things a
[5:25:06] little bit here, councilor
[5:25:09] bassan builds the pipes, and my
[5:25:11] amendments are the folks who
[5:25:14] turn the faucet on.
[5:25:18] That is the point here.
[5:25:23] I will move with floor amendment
[5:25:24] a-2.
[5:25:24] Is that correct?
[5:25:26] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:25:30] We're on floor amendment labeled
[5:25:31] a, it will be floor amendment
[5:25:39] number two.
[5:25:40] >>coun. Telles: I do want to say
[5:26:03] we worked closely with oig.
[5:26:23] >>coun. Telles: -- we want to
[5:26:25] make sure anyone who is
[5:26:27] comfortable and brave and safe
[5:26:31] enough to come forward and
[5:26:33] report, if they accidently don't
[5:26:38] do it in such a way that follows
[5:26:43] the procedures specifically,
[5:26:45] line by line, because not
[5:26:48] everybody knows these, right?
[5:26:50] They're still protected.
[5:26:52] That is really the point here.
[5:26:58] I urge your support.
[5:26:59] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[5:27:02] and a second for floor amendment
[5:27:03] number two.
[5:27:07] [Roll call].
[5:27:10] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:27:13] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:27:14] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:27:17] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:27:18] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:27:20] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:27:23] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:27:24] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:27:25] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:27:26] >> passes unanimously.
[5:27:27] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[5:27:29] We're now on floor amendment,
[5:27:31] labeled b, which is floor
[5:27:33] amendment number three.
[5:27:33] Councilor telles.
[5:27:36] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM
[5:27:36] PRESIDENT.
[5:27:38] This amendment attars the
[5:27:40] standard in which retaliation
[5:27:41] MAY be established under the
[5:27:42] article.
[5:27:44] Under this amendment,
[5:27:48] retaliation is supported when a
[5:27:50] complainant engaged in activity
[5:27:51] protected under this article,
[5:27:53] and two, adverse action taken
[5:27:57] against the complainant factored
[5:27:58] in the protected disclosure.
[5:28:01] And protected disclosure is
[5:28:05] defined within the ordinance
[5:28:05] itself.
[5:28:06] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.
[5:28:07] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[5:28:08] and a second by councilor
[5:28:09] fiebelkorn, for floor amendment
[5:28:11] number three.
[5:28:12] Any discussion?
[5:28:12] Councilor bassan.
[5:28:13] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:28:15] I just want to clarify,
[5:28:17] protected disclosure, this
[5:28:20] amendment is adding the
[5:28:21] definition.
[5:28:23] It's not already in the bill.
[5:28:26] I thought I just heard it was
[5:28:28] already in the bill.
[5:28:29] This is adding in the
[5:28:30] definition.
[5:28:32] >>coun. Telles: I'm sorry.
[5:28:33] Thank you.
[5:28:37] Yes, protected disclosure,
[5:28:38] individual consistent with the
[5:28:40] standards and case law
[5:28:41] interpreting the new mexico
[5:28:44] whistleblower protection act.
[5:28:46] That's what it is consistent
[5:28:46] with.
[5:28:49] The state wising
[5:28:49] ing
[5:28:50] ing
[5:28:50] ing
[5:28:52] wisingal --
[5:28:52] whistleblower act.
[5:28:55] That's is the protected
[5:28:55] disclosure.
[5:28:56] >>coun. Pe}a: does that answer
[5:28:57] your question?
[5:28:59] >>coun. Bassan: I guess, I'm
[5:29:01] just making sure everyone is
[5:29:03] aware this amendment is adding
[5:29:04] in that definition.
[5:29:07] It's not in the proposed bill.
[5:29:08] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:29:10] I'm sorry if that wasn't
[5:29:11] clarified.
[5:29:12] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[5:29:13] Any other discussion?
[5:29:14] Seeing none.
[5:29:17] [Roll call].
[5:29:20] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:29:25] >>coun. Bassan: no.
[5:29:27] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:29:30] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:29:33] >>coun. Grout: no.
[5:29:34] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:29:37] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:29:38] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:29:39] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:29:43] >> passes on a 7-2 vote.
[5:29:46] >>coun. Pe}a: we're on floor
[5:29:46] amendment c.
[5:29:48] Floor amendment number four.
[5:29:49] >>coun. Telles: thank you, MADAM
[5:29:50] PRESIDENT.
[5:29:51] This amendment as a provision
[5:29:53] that really emphasizes the
[5:29:55] identity of a reporting
[5:29:57] individual shall be kept
[5:29:59] confidential and provides a
[5:30:01] reporting individual MAY be
[5:30:01] anonymous.
[5:30:03] I urge your support.
[5:30:03] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: second.
[5:30:05] >>coun. Pe}a: any discussion?
[5:30:06] Seeing none.
[5:30:10] [Roll call].
[5:30:13] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:30:16] >>coun. Bassan: no.
[5:30:18] >>coun. Champine: no.
[5:30:21] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:30:23] >>coun. Grout: no.
[5:30:26] >>coun. Lewis: no.
[5:30:28] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:30:28] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:30:30] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[5:30:34] >> fails on a 4-5 vote.
[5:30:35] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now back on
[5:30:44] the bill as amended four times.
[5:30:46] Amended four times.
[5:30:50] Three times?
[5:30:51] No?
[5:30:54] I have four.
[5:30:54] Okay.
[5:30:57] And we have another one labeled
[5:31:00] d?
[5:31:00] >>coun. Telles: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:31:04] that has been withdrawn.
[5:31:05] >>coun. Pe}a: it just got handed
[5:31:07] to me.
[5:31:10] With that, any discussion by
[5:31:11] councilors?
[5:31:12] Seeing none.
[5:31:13] Councilor bassan to close.
[5:31:14] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:31:15] I actually have a question about
[5:31:18] the protected disclosure.
[5:31:22] I realize, just to clarify,
[5:31:24] maybe in the upcoming
[5:31:29] whistleblower ordinance update,
[5:31:31] I believe it's perhaps might be
[5:31:32] the people turning the faucet on
[5:31:37] without the pipe.
[5:31:38] To be something considered
[5:31:39] moving forward.
[5:31:40] I don't think there's a system
[5:31:43] in place for a protected
[5:31:44] disclosure in the city.
[5:31:47] That probably needs to get built
[5:31:48] out now.
[5:31:51] With everything else, aside from
[5:31:53] that, I urge your support.
[5:31:58] >>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk [Roll
[5:31:58] call].
[5:32:00] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:32:02] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:32:04] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:32:06] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:32:08] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:32:10] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:32:12] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:32:13] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:32:14] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:32:15] >> passes unanimously.
[5:32:21] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on p2.
[5:32:25] >>coun. Champine: p2-6-2.
[5:32:26] Adoption sent to the voters
[5:32:29] proposing to amend article five
[5:32:30] of the charter regarding the
[5:32:32] appointment removal and
[5:32:33] independence of the city
[5:32:34] attorney and city clerk.
[5:32:39] I move for do pass.
[5:32:40] >>coun. Pe}a: was there a
[5:32:40] second?
[5:32:43] There's a motion, and a second
[5:32:44] by councilor fiebelkorn.
[5:32:47] For p-2.
[5:32:48] Councilor champine to open.
[5:32:49] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[5:32:51] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:32:54] This is to submit a chart
[5:32:56] charter amendment to the
[5:32:57] amendment to the voters.
[5:33:00] The amendment is basically going
[5:33:03] to propose to change the charter
[5:33:04] regarding our appointment
[5:33:06] removal and independence of the
[5:33:12] city clerk and city attorney.
[5:33:13] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[5:33:14] We'll go to public comment.
[5:33:16] We have a couple people signed
[5:33:17] up to speak.
[5:33:18] >> thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:33:21] We have francesco followed by
[5:33:36] mervin.
[5:33:38] >> plenty of ambulance chasers
[5:33:41] out there, but the only ethical
[5:33:42] professionals with integrity and
[5:33:44] good character can be the tip of
[5:33:46] the spear of law enforcement,
[5:33:48] pulling in over six figures.
[5:33:50] Multiple guardrails already
[5:33:53] exist, including but not limited
[5:33:55] to city policy, and the state
[5:33:57] bar that prohibits attorneys
[5:33:59] from making misleading and false
[5:34:01] statements into the record.
[5:34:04] No need for permission from a
[5:34:07] king to get rid of bad faith
[5:34:08] lawyers.
[5:34:10] much as they want to, the
[5:34:13] constitution prohibits royalty
[5:34:15] from paying unethical attorneys
[5:34:17] working for the city after they
[5:34:18] loose their license to practice
[5:34:19] law.
[5:34:22] Cut off the money train, report
[5:34:27] them to the state bar, problem
[5:34:31] solved.
[5:34:35] >> mervin.
[5:34:35] I believe that concludes
[5:34:53] comment.
[5:35:00] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I move floor
[5:35:02] amendment number one.
[5:35:04] This is addition into both page
[5:35:06] three, line ten, and page four
[5:35:06] line eight.
[5:35:08] It says the mayor MAY remove the
[5:35:10] city attorney or the city clerk
[5:35:12] at any time with notice to the
[5:35:14] council and interim city
[5:35:15] attorney.
[5:35:17] The council MAY remove city
[5:35:18] attorney with notice to the
[5:35:22] mayor and city attorney by an
[5:35:25] affirmative vote of 7 members of
[5:35:26] the council.
[5:35:27] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[5:35:29] and a second by councilor
[5:35:29] telles.
[5:35:30] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[5:35:31] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:35:34] This is really just clarifying
[5:35:37] when these appointed positions
[5:35:41] can be ere mufb
[5:35:43] removed and by whom and
[5:35:44] making sure city council has a
[5:35:53] path there.
[5:35:54] Sdmrp okay.
[5:35:54] I was
[5:35:55] .
[5:35:56] >>coun. Pe}a: I was trying to
[5:35:56] read the amendment.
[5:35:57] I'm sorry.
[5:35:58] I'm catching up.
[5:36:01] Any discussion on the amendment?
[5:36:04] No?
[5:36:04] Councilor fiebelkorn.
[5:36:05] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your
[5:36:07] support.
[5:36:07] >>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk.
[5:36:09] [Roll call].
[5:36:11] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:36:12] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:36:14] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:36:16] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:36:18] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:36:21] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:36:22] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:36:24] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:36:24] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:36:28] >> passes unanimously.
[5:36:32] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor
[5:36:34] amendment -- not labeled in your
[5:36:35] packet -- this is floor
[5:36:36] amendment number two.
[5:36:37] Councilor fiebelkorn and
[5:36:37] councilor champine.
[5:36:38] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[5:36:39] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:36:40] I think there's confusion on
[5:36:40] this.
[5:36:42] I want to make sure we're
[5:37:03] getting two up on the screen.
[5:37:11] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: great.
[5:37:11] Thank you.
[5:37:13] Floor amendment number two.
[5:37:15] It's now on the screen.
[5:37:19] Basically, this removes the
[5:37:22] language that had city council
[5:37:24] participating in the appointment
[5:37:26] of the city attorney and city
[5:37:27] clerk.
[5:37:30] It takes us back to the mayor
[5:37:31] doing his thing and interviewing
[5:37:33] folks and doing hr, which is not
[5:37:34] our job.
[5:37:36] And bringing that appointment to
[5:37:42] council for approval by majority
[5:37:44] of us.
[5:37:46] Two-thirds of the entire
[5:37:47] membership.
[5:37:49] This is really getting us away
[5:37:51] from hr, which has been the
[5:37:52] problem that I have heard from
[5:37:54] the administration as well as
[5:37:57] from other folks.
[5:37:58] I am happy to answer any
[5:38:00] questions.
[5:38:03] >>coun. Pe}a: any questions?
[5:38:04] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[5:38:05] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:38:06] It's not really a question as
[5:38:08] I'm co-sponsor, I will second
[5:38:09] it.
[5:38:12] I know we haven't had a second.
[5:38:13] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[5:38:16] and a second by vice PRESIDENT
[5:38:17] Champine.
[5:38:18] >>coun. Champine: when I started
[5:38:19] going through this charter
[5:38:20] amendment and the idea of what
[5:38:23] this was, I was very thankful
[5:38:24] for the fact that councilor
[5:38:25] fiebelkorn reached out and said,
[5:38:28] hey, can we sit down and talk.
[5:38:29] I'm going through it and I have
[5:38:30] a few questions.
[5:38:31] We sat down.
[5:38:33] Discussed the questions we had.
[5:38:34] And then actually came back
[5:38:36] again and said here I have a
[5:38:42] couple of ideas that might
[5:38:44] necessarily improve it.
[5:38:45] This is a good collaboration.
[5:38:47] She pointed out a couple things
[5:38:50] that said this might work better
[5:38:52] than the way written right now.
[5:38:54] Seconding it, but I also urge
[5:38:56] your support with it in the
[5:38:58] sense of knowing it wasn't
[5:38:58] one-sided.
[5:38:59] This is a collaboration between
[5:39:04] the two of us which was awesome.
[5:39:04] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: MADAM
[5:39:05] PRESIDENT, I'm sorry.
[5:39:08] I think we had the wrong one up.
[5:39:10] Show the one labeled d in the
[5:39:16] printout in front of us, please.
[5:39:17] >>coun. Pe}a: I have a hard time
[5:39:19] seeing that far.
[5:39:23] It didn't coincide what I was
[5:39:24] looking down with.
[5:39:25] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I apologize.
[5:39:27] Even with my new glasses I can't
[5:39:29] see that far.
[5:39:30] >>coun. Pe}a: I know you're
[5:39:38] writing your own amendments --
[5:39:50] that's it.
[5:39:51] Go to the top.
[5:39:54] it says amendment b.
[5:39:56] Out of courtesy, if you're
[5:39:57] writing them independent of the
[5:40:02] staff, if we can put up d on
[5:40:03] that liable.
[5:40:05] And did you give explanation on
[5:40:05] the bottom?
[5:40:15] It's just helpful.
[5:40:18] >> MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:40:19] >>coun. Champine: MADAM
[5:40:23] PRESIDENT.
[5:40:26] >>coun. Bassan: I was looking at
[5:40:28] r-30 amendment packet.
[5:40:29] Not the p2.
[5:40:30] My fault.
[5:40:32] I apologize.
[5:40:34] >>coun. Pe}a: I'm like this is
[5:40:34] what I have.
[5:40:39] >>coun. Champine: we are on
[5:40:40] p-2-62.
[5:40:42] >>coun. Pe}a: with that, any
[5:40:42] discussion?
[5:40:44] Seeing none.
[5:40:45] Councilor fiebelkorn, councilor
[5:40:46] champine.
[5:40:47] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your
[5:40:47] support.
[5:40:54] [Roll call].
[5:40:55] --
[5:40:56] >>coun. Pe}a: second by
[5:40:58] councilor champine.
[5:40:59] [Roll call].
[5:41:00] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:41:01] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:41:03] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:41:05] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:41:07] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:41:09] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:41:11] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:41:12] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:41:13] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:41:15] >> passes unanimously.
[5:41:18] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor
[5:41:20] amendment that actually is
[5:41:23] labeled c on the top right-hand
[5:41:24] corner.
[5:41:25] It will be now floor amendment
[5:41:26] number three.
[5:41:27] Councilor fiebelkorn and
[5:41:27] councilor champine.
[5:41:30] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[5:41:30] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:41:33] We're going to put this one up
[5:41:33] on the screen.
[5:41:37] This one basically just says
[5:41:39] that in both -- on page three,
[5:41:42] line ten, page four line eight,
[5:41:45] interim appointment cannot last
[5:41:48] for more than 270 days.
[5:41:50] I'm making sure that it looks
[5:41:52] like -- that is it.
[5:41:55] I'll move that amendment.
[5:41:57] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[5:41:59] and a second by councilor telles
[5:42:02] for floor amendment number
[5:42:03] three.
[5:42:08] Any questions?
[5:42:08] Councilor rogers.
[5:42:09] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[5:42:09] PRESIDENT.
[5:42:15] Just a quick question.
[5:42:17] 270, how did we arrive at that
[5:42:18] many days?
[5:42:19] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thanks for
[5:42:20] the question, councilor.
[5:42:21] That is consistent with the rest
[5:42:23] of the charter.
[5:42:25] Since it was already being used
[5:42:27] elsewhere, we decided to use it
[5:42:29] here.
[5:42:30] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[5:42:32] Just wondering if the admin is
[5:42:34] good with the 270 days?
[5:42:40] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor,
[5:42:43] the consistency is useful in the
[5:42:44] charter.
[5:42:45] >>coun. Pe}a: councilor
[5:42:45] fiebelkorn and councilor
[5:42:47] champine to close.
[5:42:49] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your
[5:42:50] support.
[5:42:51] >>coun. Pe}a: MADAM Clerk.
[5:42:53] [Roll call].
[5:42:54] Sgrb
[5:42:55] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:42:55] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:42:57] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:42:59] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:43:02] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:43:04] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:43:05] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:43:07] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:43:07] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:43:09] >> passes unanimously.
[5:43:11] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor
[5:43:12] amendment labeled d in your
[5:43:15] packet on the top right-hand
[5:43:15] corner.
[5:43:17] It will be floor amendment
[5:43:18] number four.
[5:43:19] Councilor bassan.
[5:43:19] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:43:22] I'm not moving that one.
[5:43:24] Thank you.
[5:43:26] >>coun. Pe}a: we have p-2 as
[5:43:32] amended three times.
[5:43:33] Correct?
[5:43:35] Okay.
[5:43:41] Any discussion?
[5:43:43] Vice PRESIDENT Champine to
[5:43:44] close.
[5:43:44] >>coun. Champine: I urge your
[5:43:47] support for this one.
[5:43:51] [Roll call].
[5:43:54] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:43:56] >>coun. Bassan: no.
[5:43:58] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:44:01] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:44:03] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:44:06] >>coun. Lewis: yes.
[5:44:08] >>coun. Rogers: no.
[5:44:11] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:44:12] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[5:44:15] >> passes on a 6-3 vote.
[5:44:16] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[5:44:20] We're now on to -- oh, companion
[5:44:22] bill.
[5:44:24] R-30.
[5:44:25] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.
[5:44:26] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[5:44:29] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:44:31] R-2-630 is the companion bill to
[5:44:32] the p-bill.
[5:44:35] Adopting the proposition to be
[5:44:37] steent the voters at the next
[5:44:38] election.
[5:44:40] Concerning amendment to article
[5:44:41] five section four of the
[5:44:42] albuquerque city charter.
[5:44:45] In regards to the city clerk and
[5:44:46] city attorney.
[5:44:48] This is providing the form of
[5:44:49] question and designated clause
[5:44:52] for such question.
[5:44:56] I make a motion for do pass.
[5:44:57] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[5:44:59] and second by committee of the
[5:45:02] whole chair grout.
[5:45:11] Vice PRESIDENT Champine to open.
[5:45:14] >>coun. Champine: one second,
[5:45:32] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:45:41] >> we have francesco signed up
[5:45:45] to speak.
[5:45:47] >> just because you can do
[5:45:49] something doesn't mean you
[5:45:49] should.
[5:45:52] How many lifetimes would you
[5:45:55] need to forgive someone who knew
[5:45:57] you were innocent but broke the
[5:46:00] law to cover up having broken
[5:46:01] the law while tampering with
[5:46:04] evidence to put you in jail for
[5:46:07] the crimes they committed?
[5:46:10] I pray for theimate release of
[5:46:12] public records in the matter of
[5:46:15] mayor keller's illegal wall.
[5:46:17] Get your affairs in order.
[5:46:19] There's no statute of
[5:46:22] limitations on conspiracy.
[5:46:23] Otherwise, known as organized
[5:46:24] crime.
[5:46:26] Sooner or letter, the rule of
[5:46:30] law will come for you.
[5:46:31] Turn yourself in.
[5:46:39] MAY GOD for mercy on your soul.
[5:46:40] >> that concludes comment, MADAM
[5:46:43] PRESIDENT.
[5:46:43] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you.
[5:46:44] Councilor champine.
[5:46:46] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[5:46:48] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:46:50] Just as the p bill.
[5:46:52] The companion part is changing
[5:46:54] the hiring interest the city
[5:46:56] clerk and city attorney to be
[5:46:58] selected from a committee
[5:47:00] composed of two from the mayor
[5:47:02] and two from the city council
[5:47:04] and they should make
[5:47:05] recommendation to the full
[5:47:06] council.
[5:47:07] Again it clarifies the mayor and
[5:47:08] committee will recommend to
[5:47:12] council the appointee to fill
[5:47:15] the city clerk vacancies within
[5:47:17] 90 days of the mayor's first
[5:47:19] term and successive term as
[5:47:22] mayor or upon vacancy of either
[5:47:24] one of the offices.
[5:47:27] Again, myself we wrote this -- I
[5:47:30] wrote this up and we have some
[5:47:32] amendments coming forth that I
[5:47:36] teamed up with councilor
[5:47:44] fiebelkorn.
[5:47:46] >>coun. Pe}a: we'll go to the
[5:47:48] floor amendments labeled a.
[5:47:51] That will be floor amendment
[5:47:51] wbnen.
[5:47:52] Councilor fiebelkorn and
[5:47:52] councilor champine.
[5:47:53] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: these are
[5:47:56] pretty repetitive from the last
[5:47:56] one.
[5:47:58] Floor amendment number one is on
[5:48:01] page three, line 12, on page
[5:48:02] four line ten, we just add in
[5:48:06] the language that says that both
[5:48:08] the mayor or city council can
[5:48:13] remove interim city attorneys.
[5:48:14] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[5:48:15] and second by committee of the
[5:48:17] whole chair grout.
[5:48:18] Any questions?
[5:48:19] Seeing none.
[5:48:19] Councilor fiebelkorn to close.
[5:48:21] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your
[5:48:22] support.
[5:48:25] [Roll call].
[5:48:27] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:48:29] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:48:30] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:48:33] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:48:37] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:48:38] >>coun. Lewis: --
[5:48:44] >>coun. Pe}a: he's excused.
[5:48:47] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:48:49] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:48:50] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:48:53] >> passes on an 8-0 vote.
[5:48:55] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor
[5:48:56] amendment labeled b in your
[5:48:59] packet on the right-hand corner.
[5:49:00] It will be floor amendment
[5:49:03] number two.
[5:49:03] Councilor fiebelkorn and vice
[5:49:04] PRESIDENT Champine.
[5:49:05] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[5:49:05] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:49:06] I'm going to move floor
[5:49:08] amendment number two.
[5:49:10] Which for both the city attorney
[5:49:13] and city clerk clarifies the
[5:49:15] beginning of the mayor's term,
[5:49:17] whether the first term of new
[5:49:21] mayor or second term of the
[5:49:25] mayor or -- the mayor shall 90
[5:49:28] days to appoint to council fill
[5:49:30] the position.
[5:49:31] >>coun. Pe}a: motion and a
[5:49:34] second by committee of the whole
[5:49:36] chair grout.
[5:49:36] Councilor fiebelkorn and vice
[5:49:37] PRESIDENT Champine to close.
[5:49:38] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your
[5:49:39] support.
[5:49:41] [Roll call].
[5:49:44] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:49:47] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:49:51] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:49:54] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:49:56] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:49:58] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:49:59] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:50:00] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:50:02] >> passes on an 8-0 vote.
[5:50:05] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor
[5:50:07] amendment labeled c.
[5:50:09] It will be floor amendment
[5:50:10] number three.
[5:50:16] Councilors and -- councilor
[5:50:18] fiebelkorn and councilor
[5:50:18] champine.
[5:50:19] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I'll move
[5:50:20] floor amendment number three.
[5:50:24] Page three line 12 and page four
[5:50:27] line ten, clarifies both city
[5:50:29] attorney and city clerk can be
[5:50:33] interim for a total of 207 days.
[5:50:35] >>coun. Pe}a: motion and a
[5:50:36] second by councilor grout.
[5:50:38] any discussion?
[5:50:38] Councilor fiebelkorn and vice
[5:50:41] PRESIDENT Champine to close.
[5:50:41] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: urge your
[5:50:45] support.
[5:50:47] [Roll call].
[5:50:49] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:50:50] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:50:52] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:50:54] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:50:57] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:50:59] >>coun. Rogers: yes.
[5:51:00] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:51:00] >>coun. Pe}a: yes.
[5:51:03] >> passes on an 8-0 vote.
[5:51:05] >>coun. Pe}a: we're now on floor
[5:51:07] amendment labeled b.
[5:51:08] It will become floor amendment
[5:51:09] number four.
[5:51:10] Councilor bassan.
[5:51:11] >>coun. Bassan: I'm not going to
[5:51:13] move that, MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:51:14] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[5:51:15] We'll dispose of that.
[5:51:17] We're back on the bill as
[5:51:24] amended three times.
[5:51:26] Back too
[5:51:28] -- any questions,
[5:51:28] comments?
[5:51:29] Councilor champine to close.
[5:51:31] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[5:51:32] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[5:51:34] Just, again, to reemphasize like
[5:51:38] with had
[5:51:40] p-bill, and r is the
[5:51:41] companion bill.
[5:51:43] Certain situations took place in
[5:51:47] the past that promoted this idea
[5:51:48] of ensuring there's an
[5:51:51] independence between the city
[5:51:51] attorney and city council and
[5:51:54] the mayor's office and changing
[5:51:58] the hiring procedure to this
[5:51:59] committee to present to the
[5:52:04] council as wales -- well-as the
[5:52:06] city clerk but clarifying the
[5:52:08] times that the city attorney and
[5:52:09] city clerk need to be appointed
[5:52:11] with an interim deal.
[5:52:12] It's really trying to mandate
[5:52:14] the city attorney and city clerk
[5:52:16] have an employment agreement
[5:52:17] with the city that the mayor can
[5:52:19] terminate as well as the council
[5:52:21] can terminate based on a certain
[5:52:29] number of votes and because of
[5:52:29] actions.
[5:52:31] This also establishes the city
[5:52:33] attorney accountable to both but
[5:52:35] independent to the mayor and
[5:52:36] mayor's office and city council
[5:52:39] office as it should be and is
[5:52:41] not part either of the executive
[5:52:44] branch ear the city council.
[5:52:46] It promotes independence of the
[5:52:48] city clerk and city attorney not
[5:52:50] only have the freedom to
[5:52:52] represent both entities of the
[5:52:54] government, but also is account
[5:52:56] to both entities of the
[5:52:57] government in a very well
[5:52:59] balanced checks and balances.
[5:53:05] With that, I urge your support.
[5:53:06] .
[5:53:08] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I apologize
[5:53:09] for the interruption.
[5:53:11] I just want to make sure we're
[5:53:12] ticking all the procedural boxes
[5:53:14] for the resolution.
[5:53:17] The charter requires when we
[5:53:19] have a p-bill going to the
[5:53:21] ballot that gets amended, the
[5:53:23] city attorney reviews the
[5:53:24] language contained in the
[5:53:26] summary on the resolution to
[5:53:34] ensure it is still consistent.
[5:53:35] This is the opportunity before
[5:53:39] we take a final vote.
[5:53:41] >>coun. Champine: I know the
[5:53:43] procedure I didn't know when to
[5:53:43] clarify that.
[5:53:46] We would need to check with the
[5:53:48] city attorney to make sure both
[5:53:51] match based on the amendment?
[5:53:52] >> I recommend we do that before
[5:53:53] we vote.
[5:53:56] If there are any edits we can
[5:53:58] make those before we make the
[5:54:04] final vote on the bill.
[5:54:05] >>coun. Champine: I think she
[5:54:10] has to go over it now?
[5:54:12] >>coun. Pe}a: can we defer it?
[5:54:13] >>coun. Champine: we cannot
[5:54:17] defer it in the time.
[5:54:18] >>coun. Pe}a: that's lot of
[5:54:21] pressure to read all that right
[5:54:22] now.
[5:54:26] Okay.
[5:54:27] >>coun. Champine: make a motion
[5:54:28] to table while the attorney
[5:54:30] reads it over it based on the
[5:54:32] amendments that both the p-bill
[5:54:33] and r-bill match.
[5:54:35] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[5:54:37] and second by councilor grout to
[5:54:42] table this item, which is r-30.
[5:54:44] Until our city attorney had an
[5:54:49] opportunity to read the bill.
[5:54:52] [Roll call].
[5:54:55] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:54:57] >>coun. Bassan: no.
[5:54:58] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:55:01] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:55:05] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:55:08] >>coun. Rogers: no.
[5:55:09] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:55:10] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[5:55:13] >> passes on a 5-3 vote.
[5:55:14] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[5:55:18] We'll move on to --
[5:55:18] >>coun. Champine: MADAM
[5:55:19] PRESIDENT.
[5:55:21] I need to suspend the rules.
[5:55:23] I make a motion to suspend the
[5:55:25] rules to extend the meeting
[5:55:26] until 12:30.
[5:55:28] >>coun. Pe}a: motion, and a
[5:55:29] second by councilor grout to
[5:55:37] tengsd the [Roll call].
[5:55:39] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:55:42] >>coun. Bassan: no.
[5:55:44] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:55:46] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:55:49] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:55:51] >>coun. Rogers: no.
[5:55:52] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:56:10] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[5:56:11] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:56:12] I'll make a motion for
[5:56:30] reconsideration.
[5:56:42] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion.
[5:56:44] [Roll call].
[5:56:46] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:56:48] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:56:49] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:56:52] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:56:54] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:56:57] >>coun. Rogers: no.
[5:56:58] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:57:00] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[5:57:05] >> passes on a 6-2 vote.
[5:57:06] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:57:08] I make a motion to suspend the
[5:57:11] rules to extend the meeting
[5:57:13] until 12:30.
[5:57:14] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[5:57:16] and a second by councilor grout
[5:57:20] to extend the meeting to 12:30.
[5:57:25] [Roll call].
[5:57:27] >>coun. Baca: yes.
[5:57:28] >>coun. Bassan: yes.
[5:57:30] >>coun. Champine: yes.
[5:57:32] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: yes.
[5:57:34] >>coun. Grout: yes.
[5:57:36] >>coun. Rogers: no.
[5:57:37] >>coun. Telles: yes.
[5:57:39] >>coun. Pe}a: no.
[5:57:44] >> passes on a 6-2 vote.
[5:57:45] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[5:57:46] >>coun. Rogers: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:57:48] if there's no one online we
[5:57:51] don't have to continue roll call
[5:57:51] anymore, correct?
[5:57:54] Just want to make sure.
[5:58:02] >>coun. Pe}a: correct.
[5:58:02] Councilor baca.
[5:58:04] Are we on that one?
[5:58:09] Yes, we are.
[5:58:09] R-56.
[5:58:10] >>coun. Baca: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[5:58:16] r-56, amending adopted capital
[5:58:17] im
[5:58:20] imalism
[5:58:20] im
[5:58:21] imimplementation program.
[5:58:24] I move do pass.
[5:58:26] >>coun. Pe}a: there was a
[5:58:26] motion.
[5:58:28] Was there a second?
[5:58:34] Second by councilor fiebelkorn.
[5:58:39] councilor baca to open.
[5:58:42] >>coun. Baca: thank you, MADAM
[5:58:42] PRESIDENT.
[5:58:44] This is the administration's
[5:58:44] request.
[5:58:46] If they have anything to say, I
[5:58:54] open the floor to DR. Sengel.
[5:58:57] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[5:58:58] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I apologize.
[5:59:00] I was sleeping.
[5:59:00] I want actually.
[5:59:05] But I was reading.
[5:59:11] This item is -- I apologize.
[5:59:12] >>coun. Pe}a: I don't know that
[5:59:14] you need to open, open.
[5:59:18] I think we're good.
[5:59:19] >>coun. Pe}a: I'll go to
[5:59:21] questions by councilors.
[5:59:24] You have an amendment?
[5:59:25] Okay.
[5:59:25] Councilor rogers.
[5:59:26] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[5:59:26] PRESIDENT.
[5:59:28] I'd like to move floor amendment
[5:59:32] a, or number one.
[5:59:32] R-26-66.
[5:59:37] Page one, line 26, insert the
[5:59:37] following.
[5:59:39] Section 2, the following project
[5:59:43] scope is changed.
[5:59:47] Project title district six food
[5:59:48] security source of the 25 go
[5:59:49] bond.
[5:59:51] These changes add a project to
[5:59:52] provide rez
[5:59:53] sident of city council
[5:59:56] district six with a facility or
[5:59:59] locations to grow fresh fruit
[6:00:00] and vegetables.
[6:00:04] I urge your support.
[6:00:06] >>coun. Pe}a: is there a second?
[6:00:09] There's a motion, and a second
[6:00:11] by councilor grout for a floor
[6:00:12] amendment number one.
[6:00:18] Any discussion?
[6:00:19] >>coun. Champine: thank you,
[6:00:19] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[6:00:21] Just a point of clarification.
[6:00:26] Is the city providing the land?
[6:00:27] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, vice
[6:00:28] president champine.
[6:00:32] We're planting on different city
[6:00:33] location like community centers
[6:00:35] that already have gardens and
[6:00:37] also parks.
[6:00:38] We put council district six.
[6:00:40] The money was in youth and
[6:00:43] families, but we needed to put
[6:00:45] them at city locations we
[6:00:48] already have planned that exist.
[6:00:48] >>coun. Champine: perfect.
[6:00:51] Thank you for that.
[6:00:53] >>coun. Pe}a: does this come
[6:00:54] with the same time frame to get
[6:00:56] it done?
[6:00:57] >>coun. Rogers: yes, MADAM
[6:00:58] PRESIDENT.
[6:01:00] It would be included -- I didn't
[6:01:01] change the substance of the bill
[6:01:02] for the timeline change.
[6:01:08] We do have a timeline for the go
[6:01:11] bond already.
[6:01:11] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[6:01:17] [Roll --
[6:01:21] >>coun. Pe}a: all those in favor
[6:01:24] of floor amendment number one,
[6:01:29] say yes and raise your hand.
[6:01:35] We are back on the bill as
[6:01:35] amended.
[6:01:36] Councilor baca.
[6:01:38] Questions from councilors?
[6:01:38] No.
[6:01:42] >>coun. Baca: I urge your
[6:01:45] support.
[6:01:47] >>coun. Pe}a: all those in favor
[6:01:51] of r-56, say yes and raise your
[6:01:52] hand.
[6:01:54] Opposed, same motion.
[6:01:58] Motion passes unanimously.
[6:02:01] We're now on r-57.
[6:02:03] Dedicating state capital outlay
[6:02:04] funds to specific projects and
[6:02:08] spaces and requiring council
[6:02:10] approval of changes.
[6:02:11] I have to apologize, councilor
[6:02:16] rogers, I thought this -- I'm
[6:02:18] getting tired -- in this actual
[6:02:18] bill.
[6:02:20] I would have voted yes.
[6:02:21] We can't change it now.
[6:02:26] i would have voted yes.
[6:02:33] Councilor fiebelkorn.
[6:02:33] --
[6:02:35] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I move do
[6:02:35] pass.
[6:02:36] >>coun. Rogers: second.
[6:02:37] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[6:02:38] and second by councilor rogers
[6:02:42] for do pass of r-57.
[6:02:44] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[6:02:45] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[6:02:49] I did not want to propose this
[6:02:50] bill.
[6:02:52] I still don't want to pass it.
[6:02:54] I have gotten to the point where
[6:02:56] I cannot get projects completed
[6:02:57] in my district.
[6:02:59] The administration just will not
[6:03:01] work with me.
[6:03:03] I have been in office for four
[6:03:04] and a half years.
[6:03:15] I have gotten one road capital
[6:03:16] outlay state project completed
[6:03:17] in four years.
[6:03:20] My breaking point came when
[6:03:21] capital outlay amount of money
[6:03:24] that I raised quite a few years
[6:03:26] ago, and it's very clearly
[6:03:27] supposed to be for three
[6:03:29] projects and the administration
[6:03:31] has repeatedly used for
[6:03:33] different project mchdz despite
[6:03:35] the fact that I'm willing to
[6:03:36] raise the money and I'm the one
[6:03:38] that talks to legislators and
[6:03:40] promised what the money is going
[6:03:41] to be spent on.
[6:03:43] That followed up with another
[6:03:45] project that they changed the
[6:03:46] place they're going to be
[6:03:47] implementing something without
[6:03:50] any discussions with me.
[6:03:52] I just don't think this is good
[6:03:53] government.
[6:03:56] I do appreciate the call from
[6:04:01] the cao today.
[6:04:02] So, I am going to go ahead and
[6:04:04] move the amendments and get
[6:04:06] things going.
[6:04:08] And I'll move for deferral.
[6:04:11] if the cao was honest about what
[6:04:13] she said in the call which is
[6:04:14] she's going to work with the
[6:04:16] city councilors that raised this
[6:04:18] money to get projects completed
[6:04:20] in city council districts.
[6:04:22] If that is the promise that is
[6:04:25] made on this dais, I will move a
[6:04:27] deferral to see how much we can
[6:04:29] actually get done before we hear
[6:04:30] this bill again.
[6:04:34] I would like to first move the
[6:04:38] amendment to get the bill ready.
[6:04:39] >>coun. Pe}a: thank you,
[6:04:40] councilor fiebelkorn.
[6:04:43] I actually only have one
[6:04:44] amendment.
[6:04:44] Councilor rogers.
[6:04:46] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[6:04:46] PRESIDENT.
[6:04:48] This will be amendment on page
[6:04:55] two, after line 23, add and
[6:04:57] amend section one as follows,
[6:04:58] albuquerque teen recreation
[6:04:59] center.
[6:04:59] Same thing.
[6:05:02] Just want to make sure this is
[6:05:03] as intended.
[6:05:05] And so, just add additional
[6:05:08] state capital projects that was
[6:05:13] already approved by state.
[6:05:14] Worked with MR. Whelan and think
[6:05:16] we can do the same thing.
[6:05:19] Get to a good resolution before
[6:05:20] our next council meeting.
[6:05:21] I urge your support on the
[6:05:22] amendment.
[6:05:23] >>coun. Pe}a: we need a motion.
[6:05:24] >>coun. Rogers: thank you.
[6:05:26] I move the amendment.
[6:05:27] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[6:05:28] and a second by councilor
[6:05:29] fiebelkorn for floor amendment
[6:05:30] number one.
[6:05:33] All those -- councilor bassan.
[6:05:34] >>coun. Bassan: MADAM PRESIDENT,
[6:05:36] I know that I received -- I
[6:05:37] believe it went to all the
[6:05:39] councilors regarding a potential
[6:05:40] for separation of powers issue.
[6:05:42] i'd like to ask for
[6:05:43] clarification on that.
[6:05:47] In addition, because of that, I
[6:05:49] struggle to -- it's not personal
[6:05:53] to anybody, but if there's a
[6:05:55] risk of separation of powers
[6:05:56] issues that I could potentially
[6:05:59] see this being, but I'd love to
[6:06:00] hear from the city attorney
[6:06:02] before I end up voting on this
[6:06:04] amendment or the bill.
[6:06:05] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: if I can
[6:06:06] clarify, there are two
[6:06:07] amendments coming up that
[6:06:10] address the separation of powers
[6:06:16] issue.
[6:06:20] >>coun. Pe}a: okay.
[6:06:24] We'll --
[6:06:27] >> yes, we did receive a message
[6:06:28] identifying two potential
[6:06:30] separation of powers issues.
[6:06:32] And I'll defer to the city
[6:06:34] attorney if I say anything
[6:06:35] incorrect based on that
[6:06:36] analysis.
[6:06:39] There could be an issue with
[6:06:40] giving a deadline to complete a
[6:06:44] work order of SEPTEMBER 30th.
[6:06:46] And then, an issue with section
[6:06:49] two of the bill which would
[6:06:52] require approval by the
[6:06:53] councilor whose district a
[6:06:57] project is located in to pursue
[6:07:01] a change to the project scope.
[6:07:03] And the issue raised there was
[6:07:05] that the initial project is
[6:07:07] approved by the council as a
[6:07:09] body and that can be changed
[6:07:11] with consent from one councilor.
[6:07:13] As councilor fiebelkorn
[6:07:15] mentioned, there are amendments
[6:07:17] later on in the ipads that
[6:07:18] weren't printed out because we
[6:07:20] couldn't get to them before we
[6:07:22] got this analysis.
[6:07:24] But we can talk about those
[6:07:29] further when we get to those.
[6:07:30] >>coun. Bassan: I guess have a
[6:07:31] follow-up question.
[6:07:35] Do those amendments relate to
[6:07:36] this particular amendment that
[6:07:39] we're currently discussing as
[6:07:43] well?
[6:07:45] >>coun. Pe}a: I didn't hear an
[6:07:45] answer.
[6:07:47] That was a yes?
[6:07:51] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, the
[6:07:52] amendment that is by councilor
[6:07:55] rogers is separate from the ones
[6:07:57] drafted by the response from
[6:07:59] notification from city legal
[6:08:00] today.
[6:08:01] >>coun. Rogers: thank you, MADAM
[6:08:01] PRESIDENT.
[6:08:03] I just kept the exact same scope
[6:08:07] that was approved by the state.
[6:08:09] So, we're not trying to --
[6:08:10] there's no -- I don't think
[6:08:11] separation of powers -- I'm
[6:08:13] trying to make sure the word I
[6:08:15] gave to my legislator of how we
[6:08:16] spend this money.
[6:08:19] I'm not doing it for all the
[6:08:21] capital we have at the city in
[6:08:22] my district, just the ones I
[6:08:24] asked my legislators for funding
[6:08:27] for to make sure it gets spent
[6:08:28] in that way.
[6:08:30] >>coun. Pe}a: any questions or
[6:08:30] comments?
[6:08:33] I'll just say that, yeah, I
[6:08:34] voted wrong on the last bill.
[6:08:36] This one, I just can't support
[6:08:36] it.
[6:08:38] I'm glad to hear you're asking
[6:08:41] for two week deferral to figure
[6:08:42] this out.
[6:08:45] This bill asks for projects in
[6:08:45] districts.
[6:08:47] I know I have similar concerns
[6:08:51] in my area and I would actually
[6:08:53] do an amendment to this add to
[6:08:55] my projects to it as well like
[6:08:57] every other city councilor would
[6:08:59] do that and that would bog down
[6:09:02] the whole -- I don't know if
[6:09:06] that's good government to do
[6:09:06] that.
[6:09:07] I can't support the amendment or
[6:09:09] the bill, but I'm glad to hear
[6:09:10] it looks like there's going to
[6:09:14] be discussion and maybe some
[6:09:16] kind of concession.
[6:09:18] With that, if there's no other
[6:09:20] questions -- all those in favor
[6:09:21] of floor amendment number one
[6:09:28] raise your hand and say yes.
[6:09:30] Oppose, no.
[6:09:38] That motion passes on a 6-2.
[6:09:43] Now, we are back on r-57 as
[6:09:43] amended.
[6:09:46] And are there any questions?
[6:09:47] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I have
[6:09:49] additional amendments.
[6:09:51] >>coun. Pe}a: oh, you do?
[6:09:52] There's more amendments.
[6:09:53] I'm sorry about that.
[6:09:55] I just don't have them in front
[6:09:56] of me.
[6:09:58] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: if they can
[6:10:11] pull those up please.
[6:10:16] While ware we're waiting I think
[6:10:16] the
[6:10:20] the up of times spent lobbying
[6:10:22] today would have -- this is
[6:10:27] floor amendment number two to
[6:10:27] r-26-57.
[6:10:29] And it deletes the requirement
[6:10:31] for work order for the one
[6:10:32] project that unfortunately will
[6:10:35] not be completed by this date.
[6:10:36] And unfortunately that means a
[6:10:39] project that is funded in 2023
[6:10:42] will have a contract expire and
[6:10:43] you'll have to get a new
[6:10:45] contract and the price will go
[6:10:46] up again.
[6:10:48] But, given the administration's
[6:10:52] time today to figure out what is
[6:10:53] a separation of power rather
[6:10:54] than moving the project forward,
[6:10:56] I'm happy to delete that line.
[6:10:59] I move that amendment.
[6:11:00] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion,
[6:11:02] and a second, for floor
[6:11:09] amendment number two.
[6:11:10] The second was by councilor
[6:11:11] rogers.
[6:11:14] Any discussion?
[6:11:16] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I urge your
[6:11:16] support.
[6:11:17] >>coun. Pe}a: all those in favor
[6:11:19] of floor amendment number two,
[6:11:23] raise your hand and say yes.
[6:11:25] Opposed?
[6:11:26] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[6:11:27] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[6:11:29] I have an additional floor
[6:11:31] amendment.
[6:11:33] Number three.
[6:11:38] And this changes the wording
[6:11:39] from the individual city
[6:11:41] councilor representing the
[6:11:43] district to prior approval by
[6:11:45] the city council because I know
[6:11:47] that no city councilor up here
[6:11:49] on the dais would interfere with
[6:11:51] what's going on in my district
[6:11:53] just like I wouldn't afear with
[6:12:00] what's going on in their
[6:12:01] district
[6:12:02] district.
[6:12:02] Projects I raised money for from
[6:12:04] state legislators with promises
[6:12:07] of specific think
[6:12:07] gs in my
[6:12:09] district that would get done.
[6:12:10] I urge your support for floor
[6:12:13] amendment number three.
[6:12:14] >>coun. Pe}a: did we make a
[6:12:15] motion on that?
[6:12:16] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I motioned
[6:12:18] and councilor rogers just
[6:12:18] seconded.
[6:12:19] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[6:12:20] and a second by councilor rogers
[6:12:22] for floor amendment number
[6:12:22] three.
[6:12:24] Is there any discussion?
[6:12:25] Seeing none.
[6:12:28] All those in favor of floor
[6:12:29] amendment number three raise
[6:12:31] your hand and say yes.
[6:12:32] Opposed, no.
[6:12:34] Motion carries unanimously.
[6:12:38] We're back on the bill as
[6:12:44] amended.
[6:12:45] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: before I
[6:12:47] close, I'd like to hear from the
[6:12:48] cao to get the promises that
[6:12:50] were made on the phone today on
[6:12:51] the public record.
[6:12:53] And make sure that there's going
[6:12:57] to be some movement on some of
[6:12:59] the projects before the next
[6:13:03] meeting because I do believe
[6:13:05] despite of all of the phone
[6:13:08] calls, I can get this bill
[6:13:10] passed and get the money spent
[6:13:13] the way I want it spent.
[6:13:14] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[6:13:16] fiebelkorn, we had a
[6:13:17] conversation today by phone
[6:13:18] discussing the items -- the
[6:13:21] projects listed in here and some
[6:13:23] of the concerns that were raised
[6:13:24] and addressed through
[6:13:25] amendments.
[6:13:27] I made that commitment to you
[6:13:30] today to work on those projects
[6:13:33] to move them forward and get us
[6:13:34] moving long.
[6:13:36] You and I talked about the
[6:13:37] specific median project that had
[6:13:40] the date in it, which we had the
[6:13:41] debate of the conversation
[6:13:44] related to the department's
[6:13:46] selection of medians within that
[6:13:49] scope based upon the demand and
[6:13:51] need for specific improvements
[6:13:55] and conditions being weighed.
[6:13:58] And the department weighing
[6:13:59] conditions of the ones
[6:14:00] identified were severely worse.
[6:14:02] We had that conversation as well
[6:14:04] around the pricing changes that
[6:14:07] occur when we delay and how we
[6:14:09] can think through getting these
[6:14:11] projects done.
[6:14:13] I think I -- because I want to
[6:14:14] make sure I say it on the
[6:14:14] record.
[6:14:17] I support the department's
[6:14:19] prioritization of the medians
[6:14:21] that were without water, without
[6:14:24] irrigation, and without the
[6:14:26] needs for that area and
[6:14:27] understand that we're going to
[6:14:29] work together to get the
[6:14:31] projects moving and moving as
[6:14:33] quickly as we can.
[6:14:35] I couldn't promise the date, but
[6:14:36] we'll move the project along in
[6:14:38] the medians.
[6:14:39] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: I just want
[6:14:42] to clarify, in this bill it's a
[6:14:44] very specific section of the
[6:14:44] medians that will be moved
[6:14:45] forward.
[6:14:48] If you're not willing to commit
[6:14:50] to that, I'm not going to move
[6:14:50] deferral.
[6:14:52] I'm just going to pass the bill.
[6:14:55] Are we going to work on the
[6:14:56] project that I have promised the
[6:14:59] community and the state capital
[6:15:01] outlay providers?
[6:15:03] >> what I said to you this
[6:15:05] morning is we moved forward on
[6:15:07] those that you announced.
[6:15:08] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: it's going
[6:15:10] to be what is in this bill that
[6:15:11] we're going to be working
[6:15:12] together on.
[6:15:14] I want to clarify there are two
[6:15:16] items in there for councilor
[6:15:17] rogers and I expect those would
[6:15:19] be considered part of this bill
[6:15:21] and movement on those projects
[6:15:23] would also happen.
[6:15:25] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[6:15:25] fiebelkorn, I believe that we
[6:15:29] are working on those projects
[6:15:30] actively right now.
[6:15:32] I have no concern about those.
[6:15:34] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: and lastly,
[6:15:36] I want to, again, say how
[6:15:38] incredibly frustrating it is to
[6:15:42] be accused of stealing by staff
[6:15:44] and I appreciate that you said
[6:15:46] that was wrong, but I think you
[6:15:49] need to do more to clarify with
[6:15:53] staff how capital outlay works
[6:15:54] and when a city councilor up
[6:15:56] here goes and gets capital
[6:15:57] outlay money and they wanted to
[6:15:59] be used for what they promised,
[6:16:01] that is not stealing.
[6:16:03] In any way, shape or form.
[6:16:06] And the idea that was said and
[6:16:08] backed up by a department
[6:16:10] director is unconscionable and I
[6:16:12] don't expect it to happen again.
[6:16:13] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[6:16:15] fiebelkorn, as we said today, I
[6:16:18] felt that the words -- the word
[6:16:20] of stealing was definitely
[6:16:23] inappropriate use of that word.
[6:16:25] And I can't speak to exactly how
[6:16:26] it was discussed.
[6:16:30] As I said, I apologize for that
[6:16:32] choice of words.
[6:16:33] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you.
[6:16:35] Given this commitment on the
[6:16:37] record by the cao to move
[6:16:38] something forward in district
[6:16:40] seven, and so that I can report
[6:16:42] back to my constituents that
[6:16:44] I've gotten more than one
[6:16:46] project finished in four and a
[6:16:48] half years, I'll move deferral
[6:16:50] for two weeks.
[6:16:51] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[6:16:55] and a second for deferral.
[6:17:00] [Inaudible].
[6:17:01] >>coun. Grout: thank you, MADAM
[6:17:01] PRESIDENT.
[6:17:03] I appreciate you bringing this
[6:17:03] forward.
[6:17:09] And also deferring it.
[6:17:14] My question is, respectfully, is
[6:17:17] this going to push our projects
[6:17:20] to the side?
[6:17:21] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, councilor
[6:17:23] grout, I think our department is
[6:17:25] incredibly capable of managing
[6:17:26] projects.
[6:17:29] I know that we are all
[6:17:30] frustrated with many projects
[6:17:31] taking longer than we wanted.
[6:17:34] I think we had a conversation, I
[6:17:35] can't remember which councilor,
[6:17:40] around the ordering and backlogs
[6:17:42] we've had.
[6:17:44] I've also had conversations
[6:17:45] about the ways in which we can
[6:17:47] provide updates on projects and
[6:17:50] I think that we have had
[6:17:53] improvement in that space with
[6:17:55] other staff attending meetings.
[6:17:56] we're open to thinking through
[6:17:58] other ways to continue to give
[6:17:59] updates.
[6:18:00] I would like to move projects
[6:18:05] just as fast as anyone of you
[6:18:05] councilors.
[6:18:07] I might be one of the most
[6:18:09] impatient people in regards to
[6:18:10] getting projects moving and
[6:18:11] getting things done.
[6:18:13] I'm moted in the same way.
[6:18:15] I can't promise you what this
[6:18:17] actually impact is for any
[6:18:17] project.
[6:18:21] Does that make sense?
[6:18:22] I can promise you we're paying
[6:18:24] attention to all of our projects
[6:18:26] and moving forward.
[6:18:27] My commitment to councilor
[6:18:28] fiebelkorn today was to look at
[6:18:30] the projects in her district and
[6:18:34] make sure we aren't unbalanced
[6:18:35] in where we're getting work
[6:18:36] done.
[6:18:38] >>coun. Grout: MAY I follow up?
[6:18:40] Can you get me a timeline of
[6:18:44] when the roads that have been
[6:18:46] announced that they would be
[6:18:47] surfaced in my district.
[6:18:49] I've asked for that a few times
[6:18:50] and I haven't gotten it.
[6:18:51] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, we'll
[6:18:53] provide an update for you.
[6:18:54] >>coun. Grout: thank you.
[6:18:57] >>coun. Pe}a: before we go to
[6:19:00] it -- I will add a couple
[6:19:00] comments.
[6:19:02] The first one is the same that
[6:19:04] councilor grout just asked.
[6:19:07] My projects are moving -- we're
[6:19:09] moving these up or around, and I
[6:19:10] don't know where they fall.
[6:19:12] Is that going to delay my
[6:19:13] projects?
[6:19:15] If that's the case, I'd like
[6:19:17] some surety that's not going to
[6:19:18] happen.
[6:19:20] If that's going to happen I'll
[6:19:23] have some of amendments to add
[6:19:28] to this as well.
[6:19:30] i think some of the comments are
[6:19:32] threatening to holdia
[6:19:32] ia
[6:19:36] ia you to a
[6:19:38] certain standard and using you
[6:19:40] have the votes here.
[6:19:42] That goes against quorum issues.
[6:19:43] I don't think that anybody of us
[6:19:45] can rely and say you do this
[6:19:46] because I have the votes.
[6:19:49] I think that's a very concerning
[6:19:55] language to be used.
[6:19:59] I understand the councilor.
[6:20:01] I am there.
[6:20:02] I have projects.
[6:20:04] It's road paving.
[6:20:07] Yeah, that's very alarming to
[6:20:07] me.
[6:20:09] Anyway, there's a motion --
[6:20:10] councilor fiebelkorn to close.
[6:20:11] >>coun. Fiebelkorn: thank you,
[6:20:12] MADAM PRESIDENT.
[6:20:14] I stand by everything I said.
[6:20:16] Today is the first time I've
[6:20:19] gotten actually updates on
[6:20:21] projects and movement forward.
[6:20:23] If this is what it takes to get
[6:20:24] something done for my district,
[6:20:28] I will do it again and again.
[6:20:30] I do urge your support for the
[6:20:30] deferral.
[6:20:33] And I hope that we can withdraw
[6:20:37] the bill when we come pack.
[6:20:37] -- back.
[6:20:39] That remains to be seen.
[6:20:41] >>coun. Pe}a: motion and second
[6:20:43] for two-week deferral.
[6:20:46] All those in favor say yes and
[6:20:49] raise your hand.
[6:20:50] Passes unanimously.
[6:20:54] I think we need a motion to
[6:20:55] untable.
[6:20:55] >>coun. Champine: I make a
[6:20:58] motion to untable r-26-30.
[6:20:59] >>coun. Pe}a: there's a motion
[6:21:05] and a second to untable r-30 by
[6:21:09] councilor rogers.
[6:21:09] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.
[6:21:10] Any discussion?
[6:21:13] Seeing none.
[6:21:14] questions?
[6:21:15] All those -- no?
[6:21:17] >>coun. Bassan: I have a
[6:21:17] question.
[6:21:19] I thought that the reason we
[6:21:21] tabled it was because why need
[6:21:22] the city attorney to approve
[6:21:24] whether or not it was accurate
[6:21:24] or not.
[6:21:25] >>coun. Pe}a: correct.
[6:21:30] We had to untable the bill.
[6:21:32] >>coun. Bassan: thank you.
[6:21:34] >>coun. Pe}a: we're all getting
[6:21:34] tired.
[6:21:36] Our first meeting back and not
[6:21:39] being up like this, I think it's
[6:21:41] taking a toll on all of us.
[6:21:44] All those in favor of untabling
[6:21:47] r-30, raise your hand and say
[6:21:47] yes.
[6:21:48] Opposed, same motion.
[6:21:52] Motion passes unanimously.
[6:21:53] Vice PRESIDENT Champine.
[6:21:54] >>coun. Champine: I do believe
[6:21:57] our city attorney has reviewed
[6:22:01] both p-bill and r-resolution and
[6:22:04] confirmed they're matching and
[6:22:05] good to go.
[6:22:08] I'll look to her for
[6:22:08] confirmation.
[6:22:10] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, that's
[6:22:10] correct.
[6:22:13] I met with MS. Coulloudon to
[6:22:15] discuss amendments that would
[6:22:16] streamline this process to
[6:22:18] eliminate the need for both the
[6:22:19] resolution and p-bill.
[6:22:21] Including eliminating the
[6:22:22] summary itself which is actually
[6:22:25] no longer necessary in
[6:22:27] conforming to state law.
[6:22:28] I think we should move forward
[6:22:30] with those and make it easier on
[6:22:33] the council.
[6:22:36] >>coun. Pe}a: we have
[6:22:37] confirmation.
[6:22:38] Vice PRESIDENT Champine, if
[6:22:40] there's no questions from
[6:22:40] councilors, vice PRESIDENT
[6:22:41] Champine to close.
[6:22:43] >>coun. Champine: I urge your
[6:22:43] support.
[6:22:45] >>coun. Pe}a: we are now on the
[6:22:49] final passage of r-30.
[6:22:52] All -- as amended.
[6:22:53] Three times.
[6:22:55] All those in favor say yes and
[6:22:57] raise your hand.
[6:23:00] Opposed, no.
[6:23:02] I meant to say no.
[6:23:04] That's how tired I am.
[6:23:09] I'm a no.
[6:23:19] 5-3.
[6:23:21] There being no further business,
[6:23:23] this city council meeting is