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Good evening, everyone. Today is August 17, 2026, the 16th meeting of the 27 Council will come to order. All counters are present this evening.

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Please join us now in a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance and English in Spanish.

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Please join us in the pledge.

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Right to nations to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic of

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which stands one nation under God in the visible liberty and justice

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program.

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Vice President Shampa.

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Thank you, Madam President.

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Council will take a break at approximately 7pm this evening if needed, with regard to the

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core of the chambers, we want tonight's proceedings to be as civil and respectful as possible.

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other outbursts during the meeting.

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The President will provide one warning to anyone causing a disruption upon a second or continued

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That individual will be asked to leave the chambers and if necessary, security will be asked

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escort that person out of the chambers.

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Such removal from the Council chambers will be effective for the remainder of that meeting.

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If continued disruptions do occur, the President may recess the meeting until order is restored,

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and, if necessary, may clear the chambers of persons participating in that disturbance.

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The meeting will go a lot smoother if we are respectful of the Council and one another.

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Council staff has received over 50 public comment sign-ups for this evening's meeting.

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So pursuant to the Council's rules of procedures, Article 1, 8C, the public comment

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time will reduce from two minutes to one minute, allow to allow everyone to speak.

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Please begin editing your comments to fill within this time frame now, please.

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This time we will move to administrative question and answer period.

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Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I just wanted to follow up from our conversation last week about

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cleanliness and district sick. So I'll ask the directors, Solid Waste Transit,

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Code Enforcement, GSD, DMD, and Parks and Rec to come on down.

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And I don't have another slide show, so just don't want to put us through that again.

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I just wanted to publicly think this team for your action last meeting, after we went through

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that exercise, I saw a visible change in my district and in some of the cleanliness and

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things that are happening in district six.

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But I just wanted to ask a follow-up question.

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What did we learn about the telephone poles and the shoes?

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Who actually removes those?

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I know that was something we weren't sure of last time, so just wondering, what do we find out about?

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Who removes the shoes from the light poles and all the different things that we have?

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Madam Chair Council Rogers, some I understand that it's P&M, and I know I'm not sure somebody was going to reach out to P&M. I don't know who that was.

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Thank you, Madam President. Who we've started to the P&M?

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Thank you, Madam President. I'll take that as no one.

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Thank you, Madam President, Councillor Rogers.

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We have multiple ongoing conversations going on right now with P&N.

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And I think we have a range to phone call, and I will make sure that we include that

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on the list to ask them about how they go about prioritizing and scheduling that because

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I don't know that any of us have insight into their shoe removal strategy.

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Thank you, Madam President.

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And then I know, does the city have bucket trucks and in our fleet?

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Madam President Council Rogers, we do, but we don't have the authority to touch P&M lines.

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So like there are strict restrictions around P&M polls, P&M lines, and all of that.

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So that's a big part of our utility.

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Is that what we would refer to?

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Madam President, Councillor Rogers, so yes, DMD traffic engineering does have bucket trucks

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that are dedicated every day to addressing traffic signal issues that, as you know, when

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the traffic signal goes out, it's an emergency.

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We deploy people.

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We have them on staff, 24, 7, to make sure those safety issues are handled, but we do not

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have authority to interfere or handle PNM equipment?

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Sure, thank you.

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That helps the public also know who we need to hold accountable

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for those things.

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But I at least my expectation was someone on our team

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would have reached out and asked that question

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or asked them to remove them.

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So I would love to see a regular process for that.

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And then I just do Dr. Keener.

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I do want to ask for some extra help on our bus stops

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because I did not see a big change in our bus stops,

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especially one that you and I have talked about putting benches.

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There's no trash cans, if it's just a single bench.

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And so I would love your help, especially along central

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on the bus stops, especially the one outside the ID library,

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because that one's still pretty in disrepair.

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So could you help me with that?

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Council President, Councilor Rogers, yes, we can.

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And we were actually working through some staffing issues right now on the bus stop maintenance

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side.

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But they're holding interviews next week so we've got about 14 applicants that we're

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going through right now and a new supervisor that will be onboarded on the 24th.

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So we should have some good movement on the bus stops there.

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Wonderful.

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Thank you.

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I do see them on the platforms a lot and I know they're focusing on the platform so I just

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wanted to say that.

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Thank you.

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And then code enforcement for Pizza Hut on Central and Wyoming.

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I saw that pizza, did we clean it or did pizza clean it?

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And the Council President and Councillor Pizza Hut have received several notices of violation.

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They've been fined on it. They are cleaning it and they hopefully are to the point where they're willing to just tear the thing down and clear it a lot.

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That's what it looks like we're edging them towards that decision.

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Wonderful. Thank you so much. So thank you all so much. I did see a visible change in the district after we went through that exercise last time.

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And I promise I won't do it every meeting because I really want to, because it worked.

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But I know we can figure this out.

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And we will still our team is going to reach out to all of you to meet so we can get to

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this later ordinance and make some changes.

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Because there are some silent things about who handles neighborhood cleanliness that I think

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we can as a team figure out together.

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Thank you so much.

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Mr. President, my next question is for APD and ACS.

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if I could have Chief Barker and Jody Eskabel.

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And while you're coming down, I'll preface my question.

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Before we left on break, I asked specifically

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about Officer involved shootings

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and our process for those and asked specifically in one case

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why ACS wasn't dispatched.

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We had another case, another person lost their life again.

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Same type, I don't know this facts of the case, but first,

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Chief Barker, thank you for having your team send me.

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I'll break down of all of your processes that helped me understand what you all do when

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these things happen and so I thank you for that and we'll follow up.

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I know you couldn't make the meeting with me.

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Had scheduled this week, so we'll try to re-schedule so that I can ask some specific questions about that process.

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And then I, Jody, Director Estabelle is not here?

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She's not here tonight.

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Okay, thank you Walter. I'll be happy to ask you my questions.

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I asked Director Estabelle for a breakdown of the dispatch and why ACS wasn't dispatch and I haven't heard nothing back.

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Can you, do you know if anybody from the department is looked into this?

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As I asked, Council President and Council Rogers, yes, myself and Jody have gone over that and we do have an explanation that we would love to sit down with you and talk to you about and we did follow policy as far as the dispatch goes.

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But we would like to just review that with you so that you have that and we have had the opportunity to talk to other Councillors and go over that with them as well.

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Thank you. I'm doing this for the public.

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not for counselors, doing this for the folks who have lost loved ones, who have asked for,

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you know, some kind of follow-up. So I would like it to be public of what happened. And so

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if we're not able to do that today then I'd ask that you have that for us for next time so that we

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can, the public needs to know, not just counselors privately. President Pena and Council Rogers,

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we would be able to discuss that today but I would like to put together presentations so that

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that's thorough. If we can do that at the next council meeting, we would love to do that.

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That sounds great. We'll work with you to do that. I just, but the no response from director Eskivel is not, you know,

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the biggest champion for ACS up here, but you're not exempt from my tough love either.

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And so I would appreciate a response to that. And I thank you for letting me in the least you guys were both working on that.

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Thank you, Madam President.

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Councillor Grill.

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Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

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I have a few questions for Director Stoker from Human Resources.

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Good evening, Director.

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Thank you for being here.

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This week, I asked you a few quick last week.

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I sent these questions to you last week about some employees that didn't get the 2% across the board raise that Council approved in the fiscal year 27 budget.

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Could you please very briefly describe the practice of red circling for everyone watching at home?

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Certainly Madam President comes to the ground. Red circling is a long honored and well established practice in terms of compensation.

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And in some it means that when an employee's pay is above the maximum of the pay range assigned to their position,

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They do not receive increases.

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It's borne out in the city's current rule structure in section 733 of the personal rules and regulations.

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Okay, thank you.

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How many employees were red circled and didn't get the raise that Council called for?

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At the beginning of FY27, we had 104 employees that were in non-bargaining positions

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who did not receive a 2% increase.

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Okay, how many employees received that raise and are now eligible for red circle?

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So, no one that was

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trying to think of it answer your question.

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Either the positions were already red circle or not.

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So, there were, I believe, some positions that were at or near the maximum of their pay range that have subsequently become red circle.

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They would have received the entire 2% increase.

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Thank you.

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I understand that red-circled employees are going to get a payout equivalent to

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the 2%.

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Does this lump sum count towards their para?

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Retirement payments?

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And there are over time pay and future percentage increases.

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Does this lump sum count toward those items?

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Madam President, Councillor Grette, I believe that those would fall under compensation that

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is considered for PRA and their retirement.

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It is not a change to the base rate that those employees get, so it would not impact

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over time or other things of that, Patre.

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Okay,

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are you sure about that, because I think it, I think that this practice does put

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the meta-distant vantage, some of those, so I think we need to follow up on that.

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Madam President comes to the grout. So to the end

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I extend that when you compute the hourly rate for an employee under the FLSA, you have to look at their overall average compensation. Then yes, it might have a small impact in that realm in terms of it being a change in their base rate for things like contractual over time or things of that nature, not that this applies to any bargaining unit employees, but it would not count in those circumstances.

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All right. Thank you, sir.

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I think we need to fix that. Mr. Vice President, I have one more comment to say actually a couple of it.

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I wanted to commend talk about to Dr. Iris, excuse me, Chief Barker. You don't have to come up, but I wanted to say that on Saturday evening I was invited to observe the DWI checkpoint in my in the Flick Hills.

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where we represent.

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So I got to go on that checkpoint evening.

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And I have to say that that team is very professional.

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It's very well organized.

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And so that was very cool.

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I also was equally impressed with the officers

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and the engagement they had between the folks

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that they did not do the search, but go through the process to, you know, if they

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qualified or not. And it was very professional. It was equally neat to see the people that

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they were interacting with. We're also very respectful of the officers. And then one of

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coolest things that I thought was when the person was not arrested for DWI.

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The officers escorted them back to their cars very, very nicely.

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And the interaction was just really good.

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So I was impressed with the on both sides to see.

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It was very good that there was respect on both sides.

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So I want to commend your officers for that.

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And then the public too.

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And then the people that came through the checkpoint, it was very smooth.

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And so it's that as it should be.

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So very good.

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Thank you.

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And then finally, for Director Turner,

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I had asked for a list of a timeline for when some street projects

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were going to be done in my district this year.

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And I had yet to receive that.

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So would you please get that to me this week?

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Madam President, Councillor Grout.

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So CIO's single had let me know while I was out last week about your questions for the timeline and so I went back through all my emails and our correspondence and I had actually provided a list to you of our upcurrent and upcoming projects and so some of these projects are actually not slated until like the next calendar year they're just upcoming big projects in D9.

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They're a total of actually almost $10 million worth of street projects, so that can't happen overnight.

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And we also kind of reconcile ourselves with the fact that obviously all counselors want their street projects done immediately.

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And we have a limited number of contractors that can do that work and can't do one fortunately nine districts worth of projects at the same time.

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So, I do not have a specific schedule right now of all of those projects, but we are working on them and look forward to obviously completing them and all of our projects around the city.

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Thank you. I am Mr. Vice President. I will get back with you because I have information that tells you told me that I would have these things done this year.

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So we'll chat offline. Thank you.

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Councillor Chays.

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Thank you, Mr. Vice-President.

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I have a few questions for Director Verella.

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Councillor Verella.

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Councillor, good evening.

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Hi, good evening.

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Madam President, Mr. Verella.

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I am still waiting on information about

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the light readers for code enforcement,

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regarding the lumens and codes because I've been continuing to get complaints from constituents about

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Neighbors, having lights directly into their, their lights, into their homes. And I recall that in April of this year, Councillor Lewis did provide $20,000 for a light reader to help with that work, but it was rescinded. And so I'm still waiting on information about why that was rescinded.

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And if the $20,000 is returned to Councillor Lewis and the legal memo that you referenced

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in our conversation about not being able to issue citations for outdoor lighting complaints

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because of preponderance of evidence concerns, have you ever been able to find that?

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and the SOP also. I'm still looking for the SOP on the end-forcent process for the luminance.

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So Council President and Councillor, I believe that you requested a copy of the

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notice of decision in one of the lighting cases. And I think that was sent to you.

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The other question was whether the department had used the funding string and the answer is no.

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So if you don't use a funding string, you didn't get the money so you don't have to return any

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because that wasn't utilized, and then we had a brief conversation about different philosophies

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about how to treat people, and I brought up the argument for preponderance of the evidence,

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and so our standard in a code enforcement case is we have to believe that the person is probably

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guilty of the violation. This was in the context of lighting and the IDEO, which went into

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effect approximately five years ago, exempts lighting and we're talking porch lights, folks,

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things like that, that existed or were installed before the IDEO came into place. There's a provision

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in there, I think that says by 2034 and I could be wrong on that year, people even if they had

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existing lighting that didn't comply, we'll have to change those out.

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And the example that I use is when I drive, because I thought about that a lot, and I drive

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through sections of town, I have relatives in different parts of town, some sections,

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not wealthy sections, basic sections of town, and I drive through and I can see people's

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porch lights.

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And I can see, they have those lights that you used to buy at Home Depot that are, which

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It's like a can, and you can see the bulb, and under the IDO, those would be illegal that

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have to get replaced by that grandfathered ear.

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My recollection of the conversation was I said, we were asked, we felt some interesting pressure

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to drive around town, citing everybody who had those, and I said, that's not our approach,

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that is not what we fill is constitutional.

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That is not what we fill is right.

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We have to, and I'm going to answer my questions.

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I don't interrupt you, please.

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But Council President, I said we're not going to do that.

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Where would we start?

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The International District?

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Would we start in the, in the Northease Heights?

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We're not going to do that.

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We continue to respond to complaints as they come in,

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normally through the 3-1, 1 system, and investigate those.

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Okay, Mr. Rela, I'm going to interrupt you.

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No, you can't.

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President, I'm going to interrupt you, Mr. Ferrell, because your story is not at all what our conversation was about.

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Our conversation was about my constituent who for a year has been seeking assistance because there is a light that is shining directly into his bedroom.

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And he has repeatedly submitted complaints to your department and have been told that there is nothing that we can do about it.

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When we had our conversation, Deputy Director Kaiser informed me that they don't have the correct tool to measure the lumens.

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And so I asked what tool do you need?

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And it was brought to my attention that actually Councillor Lewis already gave you the money to buy that tool to be able to do that job.

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It was then rescinded.

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So, I asked why was it rescinded and why didn't you buy the tool so that you could test the lumens so that my poor constituent can get some sleep at night.

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I have yet to receive an answer to that.

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The second part of that was I didn't ask if you drove around and gave citations.

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I said, how do you do complaints come into you?

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How do you track them and what is your process? I asked for an SOP. There was no SOP. I asked, do you what do you do when you have a new employee come to your department for this particular job? What do you have them? So they know how to do your their job. I have yet to receive that. I still don't know why.

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The tool that is supposed to be able to test these lumens has not been purchased, why the funding was rescinded.

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The second part of that was, I asked, well, why wasn't a citation issued?

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And the response was, well, there's a 10-year grandfather, so we can't issue the citations because we don't know about the 10 years.

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I then asked, well don't you have a hearing officer to do that work, where and you replied,

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yes, we do. So I asked again, why are you acting as the hearing officer and not issuing

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a citation? This is the same process we talked about. It would be like being me being pulled over

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and getting a ticket for not having insurance, even though I have insurance. I would still get

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ticket and have to go in front of a judge to show them that I have my insurance.

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So essentially you are acting as the judge by saying we're not going to issue this citation

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because we don't know if they're grandfathered in or not.

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That's not your call to make.

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That is the hearing officer's call to make.

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When we had this conversation, you said you received a legal memo from your legal department,

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instructing you that's what you're supposed to do.

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I've requested a copy of the legal memo, so I can understand the process.

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I've yet to receive that.

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I still have a constituent who can't sleep at night,

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because for the last year, a bright light has been shining right into his bedroom.

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So, again, my question is, not whether or not you need to drive around and issue citations,

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it's for the citations, for the complaints that you receive.

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How do you track them?

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How do you then go and test the lighting, Mr. Kaiser inform me that you go out at night and use

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your meter reader, but you don't have the proper one, so you haven't been able to do it.

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So, where is it?

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Councilor Tares.

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Those are my questions.

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So I don't appreciate you misleading our conversation.

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I just want the legal memo.

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I want the SLP.

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And I want to know why the money was rescinded for the tool that you said you needed.

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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Councilor President, if I could respond please.

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And so, you know, we have a memo that we put out earlier this year.

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And this is in Director to Councilor Tares.

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This is just in general.

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Directors are to be here till 530 answer our questions.

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So I just want everybody to be just aware.

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We still have, I think, a few people signed up to speak.

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And we're limited on time.

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And I did also want to ask Mr. Watson to come up

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and light up his new promotion.

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So yes, thank you so much.

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Go ahead.

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We have very different recollections of the conversation.

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It would end to charge everybody,

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make them come in and prove their innocence.

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I said no, that is not going to be our approach.

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If there was a specific address and question that was not provided to me, that could be provided

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then we can look at the exact situation there.

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If it's the one that we sent the hearing officers decision on the hearing officer dismissed

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it in part because he felt that the party with the lights had taken the mitigating measures

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that were necessary.

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So that's what happened with that.

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Thank you.

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Vice President Shemplein.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Lewis.

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Thank you, Madam.

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Our Mr. Chair.

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Just because you're up here still, Director.

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I thought I'd come in.

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So my understanding and is that.

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I mean, your your department doesn't really enforce lighting issues.

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Then I mean, you really have the I guess the the policy background or the authority.

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under our charter to do that, or is it maybe I'm, maybe I don't know that.

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And Council President and Councillor, if it's in the IDO, the Department does enforce that

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when we receive a complaint on it, then we go in and look at that if we feel that there

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is a proponderance of evidence, then we have a good faith basis for filing a notice of violation.

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The Department, as far as I know, does have light meters, maybe they don't have the latest

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and greatest light meter, which I think you're, uh...

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You were going to help us pay for. If that funding becomes available again, I'll direct staff to order at least one of those. They cost at the leave somewhere near at $4,000 each all in properly calibrated.

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So I was not involved with the particular conversations between your office and the code enforcement group.

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A hundred, 91, a hundred, 91 investigations are the number that code enforcement did in the last week

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across the hundreds of pages of ordinances that we do.

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927, that's how many they did the week before.

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So we're happy to look into particular situations and we'll continue to do that.

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I think from my office as perspective, I think we've worked together really well and tried to resolve

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I know some of the specific issues that we're reference to.

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And we took that money back or rescinded it just because it was more of just a few

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need it than what do you need it for.

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And then so if you need it, we'll certainly work on getting that to you.

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I mean, make sure you have that resource to help with it.

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So I think that was more of our decision because I mean,

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at the time, maybe it wasn't just within the purview of what you guys could do, so I think

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that was, that's all I had on the point, thanks for the follow-up on that.

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My question would just be the missing, we were talking about this earlier, and I was

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looking at the map of the available properties, so I was just looking at it, I wonder maybe

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just a brief explanation of how that map was populated.

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I mean, what was some of the criteria?

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Is it just a, do we take every city property that we have

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and put on their start with or what's the, what's the criteria on that map?

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Madam President, Councillor Lewis, our strategy has been to think about how to make, how to

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ensure that city owned properties can be utilized across everything from short-term use

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of availability through long-term potential development, if there is a property that makes sense

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for that.

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The initial making available of those properties is one that is indicated to say, any of

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the properties, if someone has interest, there's an interest form that they can then fill out

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in contact our real estate department so that they can propose the types of uses that they

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would like.

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We have everything from neighborhood associations that like to use city owned vacant property to you have their

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block party and that has been actually a very successful strategy so a one day use all the way through.

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We know there are properties that are ideal for both housing development and other types of potential development with retail or whatever it may be.

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So we identified all properties that did not have an immediate use that by the city so that

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the community would understand where those properties are and what they are with the intent

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for folks to inquire with us what types of use they would like.

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Again, be anything from a day use permit all the way through a development agreement, but it

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could be anything in between maybe a short term lease, it could be a short term use for a community

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garden while a project is being master planned, you know, sometimes that can take two years

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and so having the opportunity to have a garden while we don't to move any dirt for a while

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would be a native or a hood of opportunity.

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Okay.

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And then, you know, thank you.

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I mean, and that makes sense.

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I mean, you put it on there for inquiries.

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Like open land, like let's say some of the properties there.

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See below where there's a couple of pins on there.

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One of them actually says it's under contract, it's just a kind of vacant land, and if it's under contract, what would that mean?

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Madam President, Councillor Lewis, I don't know the specific one you're speaking to exactly what the detail would be on it, but we do have a few properties, for example, that

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If that's in an MRA and we have a development contract under development, that's under negotiation.

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And because we are trying to show folks that properties are moving from unused to utilized for these types of uses.

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And so if something indicates that it's under contract, we would not be necessarily in a position to negotiate anything new related to that.

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But since things are under sometimes contracts fall through,

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developments end up falling through,

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we are trying to again kind of shine light in transparency

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on all of the city available properties for types of uses.

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And who would be managing like that specific property,

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who takes those inquire reason with that property and says,

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okay, you can do this, you can't do that.

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Here's how long it's available, who makes those decisions on that.

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Madam President Councillor Lewis,

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Each property will be vetted in division.

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In each inquiry, they'll come in to our real estate department, and they have understand what department and owns that property, if that makes sense, whether it's assigned to a department or an MRA, or to MRA for the development options.

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So, but it comes through real estate, they work with the department that is currently assigned as the ownership department, and then we've that will vet that with the exact level as well to make sure that the kind of use makes sense for the long term plans and short term plans for any piece of property.

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Okay, so I guess I need to get up to speed on the, I mean, which, which these parcels which department they fall under, I'm assuming that.

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Because one of them that has a blue dot-on is that's where, you know, a city owned property, you know, designated future poll tool next to our multi-generational center.

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I'm assuming that'd be other parks in Iraq might be under, you know, housing maybe still from a previous deal.

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And then the other one that actually says under contract is, again, it's open land, it's designated for our library and park.

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So city on property, hopefully we can get that,

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it was developed in that way, sooner than later.

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And we're, you know, we've been banking,

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you know, capital money and working to get those projects done.

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So I'm highly interested in, like who's under contract right there

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for a pretty good size property that is right next door to our

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our multi-gen center, brand new multi-gen center,

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another neighborhood right next door,

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Ellison right there. I know it's kind of like a part of it or designated as,

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you know, it's kind of runoff. And so I'm highly interested in what contract that is.

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So I guess, and I think that I would want to be involved in any way those properties used between

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now and when we actually build a library and park on that property. And so if you could give me some

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inside into the hat and certainly if you could find out it's 101 silver avenue, that's not

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even the one actually. So I click on it and it highlights a different address. So it might

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even be a pin that's in the wrong place. But I would think that there's hopefully, and I think

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that's the intention of it that people in the city want people looking at this and certainly want

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be accurate, and we want to have a pretty good process for, you know, how they might

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inquire and maybe that's all in place.

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But I do want to make sure I'm very familiar with specifically that property.

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Madam President Councillor Lewis, I will look into that.

434
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,480
It sounds like there might be a technical error if that's the case.

435
00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:53,980
And then the last piece I want to mention is which is disposal property, a surplus in

436
00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:56,360
a property, as you all know, comes through City Council.

437
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:04,420
So that process is still current and the current process that we have for determining surplus.

438
00:38:05,140 --> 00:38:12,240
So that is still built into any long-term disposal of property or selling of the property.

439
00:38:13,180 --> 00:38:19,560
And we do want to work with City Council on the most fluid way to ensure that we can give good answers

440
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:26,460
to the community around timelines, as well, so that, but I am remembering that that process

441
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:27,400
comes for you all.

442
00:38:28,780 --> 00:38:29,340
Thank you.

443
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:37,240
Before we proceed, Vice President, so you know, I know we have an agreement that the administrative

444
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:43,600
staff can leave by 530, so I think that if there's no other questions for them and we shouldn't

445
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,900
be, because it was supposed to be at 530, I'm there more than welcome to leave if they

446
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:55,020
unless they want to, you know, wait on the announcement, but I just want to make sure you're aware of that, and then vice-president Shunt Mike.

447
00:38:55,620 --> 00:39:04,900
Thank you, Madam President. And again, on that line to streamline the timing on this, I'm going to go to a couple of councilors for follow-up questions of the forum move to next on my list.

448
00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:06,440
So, Councilor Barker.

449
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:07,600
Thank you.

450
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,420
Mr. Vice Chair.

451
00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:09,980
Just really quick.

452
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,560
What are we doing to protect the city's interests with these parcels?

453
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,580
So, for example, to prevent mind-banking as opposed to making sure that line gets housing

454
00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:22,680
built on it.

455
00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:27,760
Madam President, Councillor Boca, our intention is to make, we will have contractual

456
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,120
documents that ensure that we're in a position to understand the intent for the property and

457
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,080
milestones, expectations, and that it meets what we're trying to do as a city which is to

458
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:44,500
activate properties rather than have them sit empty. So, that process of negotiation will be

459
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:50,420
you know we'll have to make sure we have light shining into the intentions and those contracts

460
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:54,740
and you know vetting them appropriately for sure.

461
00:39:55,340 --> 00:39:56,440
Perfect Councillor Rogers.

462
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:57,720
Thank you Madam President.

463
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,980
I just want to thank you for doing this after.

464
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:08,900
I'm going to try to get something passed on council that didn't pass for a fixed price program to get utilizing resources like this that the city has.

465
00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:12,620
So I just want to say thank you for doing this, this is this website.

466
00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:18,660
And for the public watching, you can just Google CVQ vacant properties, and it'll come right up.

467
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:23,000
It helped us with our participatory budgeting projects that we have right now.

468
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,440
community members were able to use this to see city lots that we could potentially do pocket

469
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:34,540
parks or more gardens. This page helped them identify some really good lots in our district

470
00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:39,820
that may be able to help with that. So I just want to say thank you and I would ask everyone

471
00:40:39,820 --> 00:40:47,460
to check it out because you can see a lot of great information on here that I think is super helpful

472
00:40:47,460 --> 00:40:54,680
for a lot of things, including pocket parks and I love the spontaneous seasonal shop locations.

473
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,540
I would like to see the people's market added to that.

474
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,720
We just built that in District 6, and so I would love to see that added as a spontaneous

475
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:06,260
spot, people can activate.

476
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,760
If you would please add them to update that out of the debate.

477
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:11,340
Thank you, Madam President.

478
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:12,520
Councillor Pissot.

479
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,400
Madam President, Mr. Vice President, I wanted to circle back on the conversation

480
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,680
with Director Stoker, no need to come down here,

481
00:41:19,740 --> 00:41:23,900
but I do have a follow-up comment on that topic from a while back.

482
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,900
I met last week with Director Stoker, CFO Martinez,

483
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,960
Director Padilla, and IG Pecheco,

484
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:35,260
and although many counselors might not actually enjoy hearing

485
00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:38,040
what I'm about to say, I found it very informative,

486
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,980
the meeting that I had with him.

487
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:41,840
And I don't want to speak for Director Padilla,

488
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:44,900
but I sure hope that you will circle back with the counselors.

489
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:50,960
I learned information that I did not know about the way the administration took the class

490
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:57,240
and calm study, and did not make that the new Bible, they used that as a guiding tool.

491
00:41:57,580 --> 00:42:03,480
And I think that's something that I didn't realize until I had a calm, professional meeting

492
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:10,380
with them and with our director and learned some of this information. So I think it would be great

493
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:14,160
if the director would make sure to circle back with the other counselors. I don't

494
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:19,060
necessarily think and believe that there's been 100% misguidance.

495
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,880
I think there might have been some misunderstanding when it comes to what Red

496
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,900
Circle really means.

497
00:42:24,220 --> 00:42:25,740
And I thank you for that meeting.

498
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,480
I think it was informative.

499
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:30,940
I left and director Patea did say he was going to do more research,

500
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:33,300
but that it was informative for him as well.

501
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,400
Aside from that, I don't want to say any more for him.

502
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:39,090
Madam President.

503
00:42:44,380 --> 00:42:48,500
So I want to call up Mr. our city clerk, Mr. Ethan Watson,

504
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:56,920
and just congratulating him on his promotion and one, if you had a few words to say, so you're going to be missed here.

505
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,200
Thank you, Madam President, and members of the council.

506
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:08,080
This is my last council meeting. I'll be finishing up in two weeks and then taking a little time off to get ready to start my services.

507
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,860
the director of the Mexico Institute of Council Service.

508
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:14,320
It's been an honor to serve you all.

509
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,660
I really enjoyed working with any number of bills.

510
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:20,220
With all of you from the board board bill, which is not that.

511
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:23,840
But, and to the hearing office bills,

512
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,920
by annual campaign finance bills, I also do really appreciate

513
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,740
the council support for the city's public records program.

514
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,720
It really has become a gem I think of in the state

515
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:37,760
and it's due to your support.

516
00:43:38,260 --> 00:43:39,040
That's really been critical.

517
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:42,720
And so I will miss you all, but I'm not

518
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:43,660
be too far away.

519
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,300
We are moving to Santa Fe to make this all a little bit easier.

520
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,740
But it's a big transition, but I'm very much looking forward to it.

521
00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:55,700
Well, congratulations again.

522
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,140
I mean, I think you've done an outstanding job.

523
00:43:58,140 --> 00:44:00,660
I know going in there and some of the issues

524
00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:05,220
would have as either just related to the officer related

525
00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:06,580
to you, running for office.

526
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:10,660
And I love how you were able to kind of use a GAT chart

527
00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:12,600
and it was across the whole office.

528
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,200
And I think those are things and tools

529
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,900
that are really important to help with your work flow.

530
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,780
So I appreciate how you implemented that.

531
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,040
I don't know if any of the other councillors.

532
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:23,920
Councillor Rogers.

533
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:24,840
Thank you, Madam President.

534
00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:26,420
I just want to say thank you to the same thing.

535
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,340
We geeked out over process improvement

536
00:44:28,340 --> 00:44:30,160
and those charts as well

537
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,060
because I love process improvement

538
00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:34,940
and still want to see other departments adopt

539
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:40,360
what you did for process improvement. It was really awesome. And I'm excited for, you know,

540
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:45,920
sad to lose you here, but I know we're gaining your up there in Santa Fe. So I'll be knocking

541
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:52,380
on your door a lot as I need to bring money back just just six. Are there any city of the whole? Thank you.

542
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,980
Ms. Singles, do you want to add anything? Madam President, thank you. I just wanted to on the right

543
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:12,160
I have appreciated working with City Clerk Watson. He has been a consummate professional in the work that he does and ensuring that the city is able to address some of the hardest things.

544
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:29,200
We have as a city when we think about the volume of inspection of public records request that we receive and being really thoughtful about the issues that we have to understand and address to ensure that we're taking care of our records and taking care of our city.

545
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,180
So thank you, Mr. Watson.

546
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,500
It's been a pleasure to work with you.

547
00:45:34,580 --> 00:45:35,420
Councillor Lewis.

548
00:45:36,060 --> 00:45:36,700
Thank you, Madam President.

549
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:40,800
Yeah, I was thinking about in 2009, it's been 2009 since I worked first

550
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,420
walked into the clerk's office.

551
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:44,960
And you know, 17 years ago.

552
00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:48,000
And from the very beginning, there's just,

553
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,260
has always been a great culture, you know,

554
00:45:50,340 --> 00:45:52,560
within that department at that office.

555
00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:54,880
And so, and certainly over the last,

556
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,380
over the most recent years as well,

557
00:45:57,380 --> 00:46:04,620
notice that great people at work there, they love the job, and they go above and beyond to

558
00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:12,220
really take care of people. And so thanks for what you've done to carry that on and it just

559
00:46:12,220 --> 00:46:17,620
put a lot of good people in the right places that enjoy the work and where you can really see the

560
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:19,500
So, thank you.

561
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:21,760
Thank you.

562
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,100
Thank you.

563
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:31,300
Thank you.

564
00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:31,640
Thank you.

565
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,900
Madam President, that concludes.

566
00:46:34,020 --> 00:46:34,880
I have an question in the answer.

567
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:36,220
Okay.

568
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,020
We are on to other business.

569
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:45,400
And this is EC-22 veto of R-2630, adopting a proposition to be submitted to the voters

570
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,240
at the next election to be held in the city of Albuquerque concerning an amendment to

571
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:54,620
Article 5, Section 4 of the Albuquerque City Charter Providing.

572
00:46:54,620 --> 00:47:00,940
the form of the question and the designation clause for such question on the ballot.

573
00:47:02,580 --> 00:47:09,910
And so this is Vice President Shampaine, but if you want me to read first, or would you

574
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:14,710
like to just speak first, do you can go ahead and read first, then, and press OK.

575
00:47:15,390 --> 00:47:16,830
So, and then I'll turn it over to you.

576
00:47:16,830 --> 00:47:21,010
If a Councillor wishes to attempt an overwrite of the mayor's veto, they will make a motion

577
00:47:21,010 --> 00:47:21,770
to overwrite.

578
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:29,570
If no motion is made, or if the second is not received, the mayor's veto stands, also if a motion is made,

579
00:47:30,190 --> 00:47:35,770
second is received, but six voters are not obtained in favor of the overwrite, the motion,

580
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:40,710
overwrite motion that mayors veto stands by President Trump.

581
00:47:43,090 --> 00:47:46,270
Thank you, Madam President. That assumes that I'm going to make a motion.

582
00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:53,470
But I will. I'll make a motion to move to overwrite the mayor's veto.

583
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,940
There's a motion, is there a second?

584
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,760
There's a motion in the second by committee

585
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,160
the whole chair, grab.

586
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:11,600
Thank you, Madam President. This bill that we put forth in this council passed on a six

587
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:23,880
revoked two weeks ago was to remedy and improve government. During a couple of incidents

588
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:30,260
earlier this year and some investigation, it was shown that there were some deficiencies

589
00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:40,960
within the current charter, that this bill goes to an attempt to remedy. It is not, again,

590
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,500
just like everything else, that is not 100% the solution in a sense.

591
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:53,040
It is a solution in an attempt to repair these deficiencies that we're discovered.

592
00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:00,840
It is, again, a direction to go in and I've said it back then two weeks ago that it's

593
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,780
a direction that we have to change something in the way it is and the deficiencies that came

594
00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:06,420
up.

595
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:09,640
And again, this was an attempt in the move toward that.

596
00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:16,000
It showed that the office of the city attorney truly wasn't

597
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:23,140
an independent office, although the findings of an investigation

598
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,000
kind of proved that the city attorney had already

599
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,940
was in a sense, but there's no accountability for it.

600
00:49:30,540 --> 00:49:34,120
Right now, in order for a city attorney who,

601
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:40,700
And again, please understand that this is in the direction at the current person who is holding

602
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:41,240
that office.

603
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:49,980
It is the sense of the office in itself that if they do not properly represent the city

604
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:55,020
council or the administration, that it is near impossible to remove that person.

605
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:59,960
Right now, and that's why this amendment or this bill was put forth to-

606
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,680
Show that there's some accountability, not only to the administration, but to the city council.

607
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:15,440
It also showed that a true independence is needed so that the city attorney can work for the city of Albuquerque, not for one entity or the other.

608
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:28,260
Again, incidents earlier this year prove that incident, prove that in and south, because it was decided or shown that there was preference being shown.

609
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:35,420
And that's why, again, the whole purpose of this is to try to improve government.

610
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:39,700
We work through all these bills, we work through all these amendments, and we work through

611
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:44,780
all these resolutions proposals, because we see deficiencies throughout all of the government,

612
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,980
whether it be IDO, whether it be land use and zoning, you see these, and we make these attempts

613
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:52,760
to say, hey, let's change something.

614
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,260
Let's improve it.

615
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:55,220
Let's go in a direction.

616
00:50:55,220 --> 00:51:02,100
That is not stopping anything from six months from now going, all right, that works 75 percent.

617
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,080
We need to tweak it again.

618
00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:08,820
I believe, truly, that that's what we should be doing as lawmakers on this council.

619
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:17,020
We need to be improving this, not just essentially for a sense for us currently, but for who

620
00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:20,300
holds this position five years from now, ten years from now.

621
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:25,200
How do you improve government and how do you keep it moving forward and moving forward and

622
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,920
around obstacles that can be fine,

623
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:33,600
so this veto was done based off of, from what I gather

624
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:41,360
and reading this off of one issue, and that is, that this thing creates a total new branch

625
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:48,720
of government, which I find interesting that the administration says in it, and I'll read

626
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:55,180
what it says, it says I will note that if it weren't for the changes in E5 lines 20

627
00:51:55,180 --> 00:52:04,200
through 23. I would sign this resolution. Well, E5, 2323, says it requires a total new branch

628
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:12,100
of government that is independent of the criteria identified in this and that's a judicial branch,

629
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:17,000
something that shows that the city attorney works for the city. It doesn't work for the city council.

630
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:23,140
It doesn't work for the administration. It works for the city. It is how it is held accountable

631
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,920
by the administration and by the attorney or by the council.

632
00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:35,700
Currently, again, I go back to a currently if the administration wanted to fire the city attorney.

633
00:52:36,380 --> 00:52:38,200
The administration has to go to the OIG.

634
00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:41,220
It has to find that it has cause.

635
00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:44,900
Then it has to come to the council and then all of us have to vote on it.

636
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,400
It has to get a majority of the vote.

637
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,640
This proposed amendment changes it so that, again, it's held accountable to the administration.

638
00:52:52,640 --> 00:53:02,660
That if it goes the assert city attorney goes rogue, that the administration can fire her without cause or fire that person without cause because they aren't doing what

639
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,640
They're supposed to be doing that's

640
00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:14,260
Working for the city the council then again has doesn't have that authority right now this post this puts that authority in the council of the 72 vote

641
00:53:14,260 --> 00:53:22,020
So the city attorney would have to do something so it reaches that it would cost seven of us to say this attorney isn't doing what they're supposed to

642
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,300
So I find it interesting that that veto came down, there was talk about how it would have

643
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:33,380
to hire dozens of other attorneys because it regents this new branch of government.

644
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,920
I think our federal government is on three branches of government and I think our state is

645
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,100
on three branches of government.

646
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:43,880
But our council right now has attorneys that we go to.

647
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,620
I don't go to the city attorney when I need legal advice on a bill that I'm proposing.

648
00:53:47,620 --> 00:53:54,140
I go to our council now their held accountable by not only their ethics but also by the city

649
00:53:54,140 --> 00:53:59,320
attorney in the sense of the city attorney oversees these things they are made aware of it but

650
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:05,360
they're not our council doesn't go to them for advice but they are held accountable to be

651
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:12,000
that sense as well that's what this is doing and again I love this job because I can come up with

652
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,460
an idea and a direction and you get advice from other counselors and you try to adjust it and

653
00:54:16,460 --> 00:54:23,360
it. But this is an idea. I think this is a good move forward. I think it doesn't solve it

654
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,760
a hundred percent and a year from now and someone other than me or another council that

655
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:33,500
shows up and says, I got a better idea than you build off of that. That's the whole point.

656
00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:40,240
So with that, I do urge your support in overwriting this week too.

657
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:46,660
Thank you Vice President Shampai. So there was a motion a second for an overwrite, all those

658
00:54:46,660 --> 00:54:59,980
favor say yes. Yes. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't get any tens of rays. Oh, Mary, we close, but I will.

659
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:06,360
I believe that was open. I believe that was open. I believe that was open. I believe that was open.

660
00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:07,440
Okay.

661
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,120
Councillor Tays.

662
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:17,960
Thank you, Madam President. I have a question for our legal department on this matter.

663
00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:28,820
And this is just for my own clarification. I did not realize this could be a potential issue until recently.

664
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:37,500
But the charter states that for a charter amendment, there has to be two public hearings.

665
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:51,120
But if at the second public hearing, the proposed amendment has any revisions, substantial amendments, that a third hearing has to be held.

666
00:55:51,120 --> 00:56:03,940
And I am just wondering if we failed to follow that or if please help me understand this because I, I was, I'm not sure.

667
00:56:05,620 --> 00:56:15,040
Madam President, Councillor Teas, let's correct. The charter does require at least two hearings on a proposed charter amendment with a third hearing required if there are amendments at the second.

668
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:31,000
We run into this scenario several times in the past where we get into like four hearings or beyond the three that's contemplated in the charter and then those instances as we did here we ended after the required third hearing.

669
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:40,300
So we don't continue kicking to a subsequent hearing infinitely the cut off that we followed is what's in the text of the charter.

670
00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:47,660
Madam President, thank you, Ms. Kudon, I just, but we only had two hearings on this.

671
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,380
Madam President, can you clarify,

672
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:09,640
so deferment isn't a hearing. It's just a deferment.

673
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:17,300
We didn't hear anything, so I don't know how the deferment is counted as a hearing.

674
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,920
We had two deferments and then two hearings.

675
00:57:26,890 --> 00:57:30,530
Madam President and Councillor Teas, we're checking to see if the bills were on the consent

676
00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:37,430
agenda for deferral, but there was opportunity for discussion at each of those council meetings

677
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:43,890
what we do treat as a hearing, and then the ultimate vote at each of those hearings was for a

678
00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:46,770
deferral to the subsequent meeting for additional comments.

679
00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:52,210
Madam President, Ms. Cluton. So is that the intent of that charter was that the legislative

680
00:57:52,210 --> 00:57:58,430
intent was to treat a postponement that had an opportunity for discussion as a hearing?

681
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:06,900
It doesn't seem to me that that is the legislative intent. The postponement was an opportunity,

682
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:15,540
But we didn't because it was being postponed. We all knew that was being postponed. So we wouldn't have any sort of

683
00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:21,000
Conversation about it and so the postponements in my

684
00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:24,620
logic don't

685
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:34,000
Add up to being a hearing and so I'm just wondering what the legislative intent is here and you know, hey man

686
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:41,200
I'm still new, so learning it, that's why I'm asking, but the charter specifically states that

687
00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:47,460
if such a revision is made at the second of two public hearings, the Council shall hold a third

688
00:58:47,460 --> 00:58:53,700
public hearing on the proposed charter amendment. And any revision shall be posted. I just don't

689
00:58:53,700 --> 00:59:02,520
remember having that third hearing of those amendments that were held. And I will had fully admit that

690
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:08,640
I did not realize that this was part of the process at the last hearing.

691
00:59:09,020 --> 00:59:16,340
So it's also on me that I didn't bring it up on the third, which is why I'm now bringing

692
00:59:16,340 --> 00:59:23,720
it up because I don't recall having a third public hearing on those last amendments that were made

693
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:31,040
that changed the substance of the the the the bill.

694
00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:42,370
Madam President and Councillor Tayaz, to clarify one piece, the requirement for two to three hearings is for the amendments in the bill itself.

695
00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:52,730
We haven't treated it as you need to have two or three hearings on each subsequent amendment to the bill in addition to the bill itself.

696
00:59:55,900 --> 00:59:56,940
Okay, Madam President, please.

697
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:59,980
That still doesn't make sense.

698
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:01,340
Okay,

699
01:00:04,810 --> 01:00:06,470
all right, thank you.

700
01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:15,240
Madam President, yeah, roll and can you turn in? Thank you. Madam Chair, Councillor Kase,

701
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:37,520
I don't know that the language in here from the perspective of trying to figure out is a deferment of hearing is necessarily clear enough to be able to make that determination, however, as we see constantly.

702
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:45,380
with most appeals, on most issues that or suits that are filed, if there is an ambiguity,

703
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:46,980
it's going to be grabbed out too.

704
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:53,140
So it's certainly a risk that could be an issue that has brought up in a suit challenging

705
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:58,360
the piece of legislation, or in this case the charter amendment, it would be an argument

706
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:05,400
that was made, that could be made, that would be a reasonable argument, whether not that

707
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:11,700
hearing itself or that the deferment was a hearing spy recall correctly, there was some public

708
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:16,620
comment that was done. Maybe that would be sufficient to make it a hearing, maybe not,

709
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:22,900
how a judge would come down on it is difficult to say, but I do think it would be something

710
01:01:22,900 --> 01:01:28,720
that could be reasonably challenged, whether or not it would win or not hard to say.

711
01:01:29,780 --> 01:01:33,960
And then additionally there's the only other issue that would call out is just the final

712
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:40,060
sentence of the section. I mean it does say any revisions made shall be posted along with

713
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:46,880
notice to the next of the next meeting. Red as a whole, it can be hard to kind of

714
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,680
distinguish between if they're talking about two meetings compared to or two hearings compared

715
01:01:51,680 --> 01:02:01,040
to one hearing. But if you read that sentence and it's plain language, it suggests that any revision

716
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:08,180
made, wouldn't require that those revisions be made to be posted for a following public meeting.

717
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:15,820
Again, hard to say exactly how this would work out in a, in a, in a, in litigation.

718
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,560
But it would certainly we've opened the opportunity for a challenge.

719
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:30,760
Thank you, Madam President. I'll just, yeah, I, I will just say I don't feel like

720
01:02:31,820 --> 01:02:37,260
We follow the process for this charter amendment.

721
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:41,300
Now, I don't know if we can retroactively go back.

722
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,020
That's another question, but it does.

723
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,040
I agree that there can be potential risks here.

724
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:54,160
And in particular, because it's going to be going on a ballot,

725
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,360
that is also my other concern.

726
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,820
And this is going to be a very, very, very, very long ballot.

727
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:05,000
This coming November and city items are at the end of that.

728
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:11,800
So I'm concerned that people won't see it and vote on it and, you know, I'm just concerned

729
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:19,980
about all those things, couples with the concern and the risk that it could also lead to

730
01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:26,160
a potential lawsuit if any public stakeholder.

731
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:38,980
disagrees with the disagrees with these bills, but thank you, yeah, I don't. I guess we'll see you.

732
01:03:38,980 --> 01:03:40,380
Thank you. Councillor Boca.

733
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:48,660
Thank you, Madam President. I have a little bit of criticism here. My self included.

734
01:03:49,340 --> 01:03:54,020
You know, every nearly every council meeting I vote against going late.

735
01:03:54,020 --> 01:03:55,060
and I don't think that's appropriate.

736
01:03:55,220 --> 01:03:56,120
People aren't available.

737
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,420
We get sloppy in our work, myself included,

738
01:04:00,940 --> 01:04:03,680
and I thought this P-Bill, a portion that was left

739
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:04,920
under the Council of Champagne,

740
01:04:04,940 --> 01:04:07,200
just mentioned about the independent portion of it.

741
01:04:07,460 --> 01:04:09,700
State in there, I fundamentally don't agree

742
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:11,220
with that particular piece.

743
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,960
And I don't agree with it because the IG report

744
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,820
that which I think is a floppy piece of work

745
01:04:16,820 --> 01:04:21,880
to be honest, had an interpretation of the city charter

746
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:33,860
I don't agree with, and because of that, I think that, I'm sorry, I'm trying to

747
01:04:33,860 --> 01:04:34,660
shut there.

748
01:04:35,900 --> 01:04:40,940
The interpretation of the charter says the city attorney essentially is serving the

749
01:04:40,940 --> 01:04:46,080
amorphous city, and because of that did not do anything in violation of her ethical

750
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:47,900
rules or professional rules.

751
01:04:47,900 --> 01:04:50,840
I fundamentally disagree with that mostly because

752
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,860
hey, we've worked under the city to interpret the charter,

753
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,380
but also how the city of attorney herself said it directly.

754
01:04:56,860 --> 01:04:59,480
Like she herself said that she did not.

755
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:21,080
How she operated was not how the IG report came out. And so, so the criticism, I think, level is directly at the administration and how they handled this and how this went from a small thing to months and months of time and energy and thousands of dollars spent, and none of it serve the city of Albuquerque in any good way.

756
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,960
Um, moreover that report opens up a lot of questions about accountability, accountability,

757
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,540
accountability attorney, who hold that accountability and what they can do.

758
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,000
Um, essentially with this, the city attorney, yeah, we're creating a judicial branch

759
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,300
and I don't think that's, I don't agree with that.

760
01:05:36,540 --> 01:05:40,680
Because I believe the city attorney works for us counselors and the administration.

761
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,320
Which, of course, now doesn't really even exist itself because of this,

762
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,120
and you report that it was produced.

763
01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:51,780
And so that needs to be fixed 100%.

764
01:05:51,780 --> 01:05:56,060
We should be able to hold a city attorney accountable, 100%.

765
01:05:56,060 --> 01:05:57,760
I think we made some fundamental mistakes

766
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,500
on this particular people late at night.

767
01:06:01,460 --> 01:06:03,500
And I'm kind of angry at myself for not catching it,

768
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:04,720
because I would try to make that change

769
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,120
because I would 100% be voting for sending that

770
01:06:09,700 --> 01:06:13,340
to the electorate and hopefully they would pass it.

771
01:06:13,540 --> 01:06:14,980
And I'm not happy with their administration

772
01:06:14,980 --> 01:06:18,160
with the way you guys have handled all this and the mayor and I have talked and I've let

773
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:22,400
of know my frustration is exactly how I feel about what's happened and how this has played

774
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:29,740
out. And so I do hope and I didn't get a vote to uphold the veto. I'm going to say that out,

775
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,260
but I want people to know that, you know, he put in his message. I'd like to see, I'd like to see

776
01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:41,020
that sent down by a request that that changed into people. I'd like, you know, we got the EC,

777
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,940
there's going to be another city attorney coming down. I look forward to having questions with

778
01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:51,360
with that attorney. And how that person interprets our city charter and how they, how we can

779
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:56,520
expect them to actually function within that role given that interpretation, their interpretation,

780
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:02,640
which I hope fits with what we've been operating under for the last decades or so. So,

781
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:08,880
so I just wanted to get that out there. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Boca. So, I don't see any other

782
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:14,180
questions or comments. So, I will go to Vice President Schamcline to close. Thank you, Madam President.

783
01:07:16,830 --> 01:07:20,650
I want to say everybody's support on this, and I thank everybody for their input.

784
01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:30,330
Again, it still is a thought, an idea and a direction that we can do to improve governance,

785
01:07:30,670 --> 01:07:32,270
so I do urge you support with the overridden.

786
01:07:32,970 --> 01:07:39,250
Thank you. So there is a motion in the second for an override. All those in favor,

787
01:07:39,530 --> 01:07:40,580
raise your hand and say yes.

788
01:07:40,580 --> 01:07:40,780
Yes.

789
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:43,280
Opposed?

790
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:44,380
No.

791
01:07:48,820 --> 01:07:48,960
No.

792
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,080
That motion fails on the four to five?

793
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:54,820
Okay.

794
01:07:54,820 --> 01:07:57,080
We are now on to proclamations and presentations.

795
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:58,180
There are none.

796
01:07:58,900 --> 01:08:00,000
We are now on to the journal.

797
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,160
I move approval of the August 3rd journal.

798
01:08:03,020 --> 01:08:05,880
There's a motion a second by Vice President Shampai.

799
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,160
All those in favor say yes and raise your hand.

800
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:08,700
Yes.

801
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:09,760
Opposed.

802
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:10,400
Same motion.

803
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,240
Motion carries.

804
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,120
we are now on to communications and introductions.

805
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,660
Are there any changes to the letter of introduction?

806
01:08:18,100 --> 01:08:22,360
So, I move that the rules be suspended for the purpose

807
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:26,260
of pulling EC26192 out of financing government operations,

808
01:08:27,580 --> 01:08:31,320
committee and placing it on the September 9th Council agenda for action.

809
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:37,420
EC192 is a mayor's recommendation of award for street outreach housing services.

810
01:08:37,420 --> 01:08:41,260
Second, there's a motion and second by Councillor Feebocorn.

811
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,520
So a motion has been made by Councillor Feebocorn, second by myself, seconded by Councillor

812
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:52,940
Feebocorn, to suspend the rules to pull EC192 out of FGO and place it on the September 9

813
01:08:52,940 --> 01:08:55,980
Council agenda for action, is there any objection?

814
01:08:58,320 --> 01:08:59,980
Hearing none, the motion passes.

815
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:10,140
We are now on to EC-223. I move the roles we suspended for the purpose of introducing EC-2623

816
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:16,340
and placing it on the September 9th Council agenda for action. EC-223 is the appointment of Joshua

817
01:09:16,340 --> 01:09:19,760
D. Bloom to the position of City Attorney.

818
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,260
Second, there's a motion and a second by committee the whole chair.

819
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:31,340
to suspend the rules to introduce EC-223 and place it on the September 9th Council agenda

820
01:09:31,340 --> 01:09:40,620
fraction. Is there any objection? Hearing none, motion passes. We are now on EC-210

821
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:45,620
Councillor PEOPLE CARN. Madam President, EC-210. I move that the rules be suspended for

822
01:09:45,620 --> 01:09:50,220
the purpose of pulling EC-26210 out of the Finance and Government Operations Committee in

823
01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:51,920
placing it onto the night's agenda for action.

824
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,800
EC210 is the approval of the Development Agreement

825
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,720
for the Uptown Connect Affordable Housing Project

826
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,700
with Family Housing Development Corporation.

827
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,800
You must work for housing trust funds and state capital outlay funding towards the new construction

828
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,220
of a multi-family rental housing project.

829
01:10:09,740 --> 01:10:15,840
A motion has been made by Councillor Feebocorn and seconded by Councillor TAS to suspend the

830
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,320
rules and pull ECT-10 out of FTO and place it on tonight's agenda for action. Is there

831
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:21,000
any objection?

832
01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:24,730
Hearing none, motion passes.

833
01:10:28,020 --> 01:10:30,280
So I move a approval of the letter of introduction.

834
01:10:30,980 --> 01:10:35,680
There's a motion, a second by Vice President Shampaine, all those in favor, say yes and raise your hand.

835
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,120
Opposed, same motion, motion carries.

836
01:10:38,580 --> 01:10:41,380
We are now on reports of committee, Councillor Lewis.

837
01:10:43,980 --> 01:10:47,780
Madam President, the Finance Government Operations Committee met on Monday, August 10th,

838
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:49,220
and reports out the following.

839
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,720
You see 175 received be noted.

840
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:56,440
The matter of EC191-199-201, that they be approved.

841
01:10:56,440 --> 01:11:03,340
the amount of 203.045.046 with that, that they be without recommendation, the amount of

842
01:11:03,340 --> 01:11:08,540
048.049 that they do pass, the amount of 044 that they be without recommendation as

843
01:11:08,540 --> 01:11:12,720
substituted, and 047, that it be without recommendation as amended.

844
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,720
I moved to accept the committee report.

845
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,500
There's a motion a second, by committee the whole chair.

846
01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:25,500
Grout, all those in favor say yes and raise your hand, opposed to emotion, motion carries,

847
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:29,880
Councilperson. Madam President, the land use planning and zoning committee met on Wednesday, August

848
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:34,900
12, 20, 26, and reports out the following items in the matter of EC208 that it be confirmed

849
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:39,600
in the matter of 0.55 that it do pass. I make a motion to accept the committee reports.

850
01:11:40,540 --> 01:11:44,780
There's a motion and a second by committee to hold chair grout to accept the committee report.

851
01:11:44,780 --> 01:11:49,220
All those in favor say yes and raise your hand. Opposed same motion motion carries.

852
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:54,960
We are now on to deferrals and withdraw. Counselor, are there any deferrals or withdrawals

853
01:11:54,960 --> 01:12:01,780
this time, and I will go to myself. So, E.C. 160 approval of the agreement with home-wise

854
01:12:01,780 --> 01:12:08,980
to utilize housing and neighborhood economic development funds in the amount of $2,835,000.

855
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:17,240
To administer a home-owner rehabilitation program, I move with straw. And there's a motion in a

856
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:22,240
second-by-vice President Shampaim for withdrawal. All those in favor say yes and raise your hand.

857
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:22,520
Yes.

858
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:23,540
Opposed?

859
01:12:23,780 --> 01:12:24,360
Same motion.

860
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:25,900
Motion carries.

861
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:27,600
We are now on the consent agenda.

862
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:34,840
Are there any changes to the consent agenda hearing none for individuals on tonight's

863
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:35,560
consent agenda?

864
01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:37,740
Who are being appointed to serve on a Board of Commission?

865
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,960
Thank you for your willingness to serve.

866
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,900
I'm a approval of the consent agenda.

867
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:47,120
There's a motion in a second by Councillor Rogers way over there on that side.

868
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:48,760
So there's a motion in a second.

869
01:12:48,820 --> 01:12:50,780
All those in favor say yes and raise your hand?

870
01:12:51,980 --> 01:12:52,460
Opposed?

871
01:12:52,460 --> 01:12:56,380
motion, motion carries. We are now on to Announcements Council

872
01:12:56,380 --> 01:12:59,620
Rogers. Thank you, Madam President. There will be a local government

873
01:12:59,620 --> 01:13:03,700
coordinating commission meeting on Thursday, August 20th at 5 p.m.

874
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,960
here in the Vincent E. Grego Chambers, basement level of the Albuquerque

875
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,740
government center. This is a hybrid meeting and I just want to thank

876
01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:16,300
our staff from the bottom of my heart for helping us APS was

877
01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:25,220
able to host and our team stepped up very quickly to get this done in the proper ways for

878
01:13:25,220 --> 01:13:30,880
our open meeting act and they did that on a council Monday. So I just want to give a shout-out

879
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:36,900
to our team to ask them to do that on a council Monday. It allows us to have this meeting and not

880
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:42,180
have to cancel it again, especially with opioid settlement dollars. We need some updates on

881
01:13:42,180 --> 01:13:47,080
those money's are going so we cannot cancel that meeting so thank you thank you thank you

882
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:52,600
you shot out to our team Ernesto Michelle Julian everyone that helped us make that happen I

883
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:57,160
thank you from the bottom of my heart I didn't want to ask them to do that on a council Monday but

884
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:02,960
they saved our meeting and thank you so much that's great Councillor Bassan Madam President there

885
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:12,160
will be an intergovernmental legislative relations committee meeting on Wednesday September 2nd at

886
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,100
instrumental instruments, Councillor Baca.

887
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:20,280
Thank you, Madam President.

888
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,940
O38 authorizing the issuance and sale of the city of Albuquerque,

889
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,840
and Mexico taxable industrial revenue bond,

890
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,420
Dreamcatcher, Somme Hotel Project.

891
01:14:27,420 --> 01:14:31,620
Series 2026 in the maximum principal amount of 40 million,

892
01:14:32,580 --> 01:14:34,740
520, 2067 to provide funds to acquire,

893
01:14:34,900 --> 01:14:36,340
construct equipment, improve the Dreamcatcher,

894
01:14:36,660 --> 01:14:38,220
Somme Hotel, dual-branded Hampton Inn,

895
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,320
and home-to-sweets with anticipated 135 guest rooms.

896
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:42,500
The move do pass.

897
01:14:43,140 --> 01:14:46,600
Second, there's a motion in the second by Councillor Rogers

898
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:52,560
for a due pass, and so I'm going to just read a little announcement here as a reminder,

899
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:57,560
pursuant to our rules of procedure, Article 1, Section 8, C, General Public comment, shall

900
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,960
not be permitted on quasi-judicial.

901
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,620
Social matters. Please do not include in your comment anything related to quasi-judicial matter, including

902
01:15:05,620 --> 01:15:10,860
proposal-site plans or other land use or permitting action related to this development.

903
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:21,240
Failure to comply with this rule may result in your comment being cut off. So just reading that

904
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:28,040
out loud, I would just like to ask our staff, our legal staff, you know, we went circle in circles

905
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:33,760
about this and, you know, this commitments from the community and quasi-judicial, so I'm not going

906
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:39,440
to go into the site, but I'm just going to say how do we hear from the community if they're

907
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:45,820
going to talk about some of the agreements that were made that may have zoning implications.

908
01:15:56,940 --> 01:16:02,920
Council President, the existence of the discussions that happened and whether they were productive

909
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:08,220
or not is not a quasi-judicial matter in itself. It's getting into the

910
01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:11,980
specifics of design or aesthetics, that would veer

911
01:16:11,980 --> 01:16:13,840
until what would be considered quasi-judicial.

912
01:16:15,740 --> 01:16:19,120
So the sort of sum it up, that there were discussions

913
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,240
is fine.

914
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,400
What the subject of those discussions is not.

915
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:24,520
That's the line to draw.

916
01:16:26,820 --> 01:16:29,360
So how do we hear from the community

917
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:33,960
about what those agreements were?

918
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,820
And I think I'd like to hear from the city attorney as well.

919
01:16:38,820 --> 01:16:44,880
Just because I think this has gotten very complicated and we're getting all these different

920
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:49,720
rulings on how we address community concern.

921
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:57,180
And I say that because if all this is in the best industry to the community and the community

922
01:16:57,180 --> 01:17:08,560
can't do anything until a site plant is done, but yet we provide an IRB without any of these

923
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:14,160
or concessions to or agreements with a community?

924
01:17:24,190 --> 01:17:28,050
So, Councillor President, the procedure by which a site plan

925
01:17:28,050 --> 01:17:30,210
would be approved would allow for that kind of input.

926
01:17:31,390 --> 01:17:35,350
So, at this junction, this is only for the issuance of the IRBs.

927
01:17:35,610 --> 01:17:38,190
At a later time, when the site plan is being approved,

928
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:40,230
if there's concerns about that,

929
01:17:40,930 --> 01:17:45,710
those aesthetic designs, those designs of the building itself,

930
01:17:45,710 --> 01:17:52,450
how that can sit within the character of the neighborhood that would be an opportunity for input from the public.

931
01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:56,510
I think putting a course in the cart before the horse.

932
01:17:57,170 --> 01:17:58,470
I mean, I don't know.

933
01:17:58,970 --> 01:18:05,250
I'm curious to hear from the community to really find out what we need to do,

934
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:14,230
or if this would require potentially a deferral to allow the community to really work with the developer to figure out what needs to happen.

935
01:18:14,230 --> 01:18:18,770
And so, I guess I won't go to the city attorney just yet.

936
01:18:19,130 --> 01:18:24,910
I think we have a couple of floor amendments that will move those first, and then we'll

937
01:18:24,910 --> 01:18:25,910
go to public comment.

938
01:18:27,570 --> 01:18:34,770
Okay, so we have floor amendments A and B, and I think they are in front of us.

939
01:18:36,660 --> 01:18:45,520
And so I have an amendment, and it's proposed amendment A, which will now become floor

940
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:52,820
amendment number one, and what this is, is it, um, beginning on page six, um,

941
01:18:53,260 --> 01:18:58,980
lines, lines six, and insert a new section as follows and remember the remaining sections

942
01:18:58,980 --> 01:19:03,820
accordingly. Um, and this really the explanation without reading the whole thing is this

943
01:19:03,820 --> 01:19:08,880
amendment mandates that the company proposes a good neighbor agreement between saw mill, um,

944
01:19:08,980 --> 01:19:13,400
land trust and nearby neighborhood associations to address concerns that may arise with

945
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:21,020
of this project. And the reason for this is that because of the concern that I just stated,

946
01:19:24,290 --> 01:19:26,470
so I move floor amendment number one.

947
01:19:30,980 --> 01:19:34,800
So there'd be no second. There's a motion in a second

948
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:42,840
by Councillor Bessant for floor amendment number one. And is there any discussion? Councillor

949
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:49,120
Bessant. Madam President, I'd like to ask Mr. Cox if he can confirm or let us know was there

950
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:53,640
another it was there a good neighbor agreement for any of the other properties in the area

951
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,980
that got an IRB for any developments.

952
01:20:02,670 --> 01:20:22,230
Councilor Visan. I don't know if I am the right person that might be our bond council or anyone who has done the RBs, but to my knowledge we have not had any good neighbor agreement tied to IRBs or any community benefits of such either.

953
01:20:22,230 --> 01:20:26,290
Okay, so then Madam President, can I ask Director Mitchell or Mr.

954
01:20:26,370 --> 01:20:30,130
Meerhead, or I guess whoever might have a firm answer,

955
01:20:30,410 --> 01:20:34,870
was there a good neighbor agreement on any other IRB in that area?

956
01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:40,840
Madam President and Counselors, not that I'm aware of,

957
01:20:41,260 --> 01:20:46,180
but I would ask because last council meeting,

958
01:20:46,820 --> 01:20:49,320
we were not given the opportunity to present the project.

959
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:55,740
So before public comment, I would ask that we be allowed to present the project, at least.

960
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,040
Okay, after the amendment.

961
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:00,240
Thank you.

962
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:01,380
Thank you.

963
01:21:01,460 --> 01:21:02,200
Any other comments?

964
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:03,400
I'm sorry, Madam President.

965
01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:05,880
I'm still, I'm still trying to get my answer.

966
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,480
Oh, doesn't seem as though I have one so can I just at least make a comment?

967
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,500
She was still not done with her comment.

968
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:15,100
Sorry about that.

969
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:24,420
Madam President, Councilperson No, there were no other agreements outside of the standard.

970
01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:26,200
I will be documents.

971
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:28,140
So I do solve no transactions.

972
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:29,860
Thank you, Mr. Mirhead.

973
01:21:30,020 --> 01:21:33,740
I guess my comment now is that I supported the last IRB.

974
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,040
I support this IRB.

975
01:21:35,580 --> 01:21:42,480
I don't think it's fair to put different burdens on different groups and individuals and different

976
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:43,920
projects in the same area.

977
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,240
So therefore I'm not going to support this.

978
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,300
I think that if we were going to do it, we should do it for everybody.

979
01:21:49,580 --> 01:21:52,100
We shouldn't do it just for some and not others.

980
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,300
Thank you, Councillor Osan, is that it?

981
01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:57,940
Councillor Lewis.

982
01:21:58,780 --> 01:21:59,520
Thank you, Madam President.

983
01:21:59,780 --> 01:22:01,080
And I tend to agree with that.

984
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:11,140
I'm just interested in maybe I would just be interested if the developer is coming to ask

985
01:22:11,140 --> 01:22:12,120
and for the IRB.

986
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:17,080
I'm just not sure if I want to know how they feel about some of these amendments that

987
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:21,060
could put some additional or even if they understand what a good neighbor agreement

988
01:22:21,060 --> 01:22:24,880
is, what are all the implications of it?

989
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:28,060
I mean, I guess I thought I was to be in favor of this.

990
01:22:28,140 --> 01:22:34,100
I'd be interested in hearing from hearing from some other folks on that, just their understanding

991
01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:35,080
of it.

992
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:37,720
Thank you.

993
01:22:37,780 --> 01:22:40,760
I mean, if you want to call the developer up, but we're not on that right now.

994
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,360
I mean, I necessarily don't need to.

995
01:22:42,420 --> 01:22:46,700
I guess if you want my vote for it, then I'd probably need to do that, but if not, then if

996
01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:50,940
that's not appropriate for them to come up and weigh in on it, then I guess it is what it is.

997
01:22:50,940 --> 01:22:54,100
It is appropriate if you want them to come up.

998
01:22:55,340 --> 01:23:01,360
Well, let me give them that opportunity, that if they're here, it would like to.

999
01:23:08,830 --> 01:23:10,190
Thank you, Madam President.

1000
01:23:10,690 --> 01:23:10,950
Thank you.

1001
01:23:11,050 --> 01:23:12,550
Counselors for having me here today.

1002
01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:15,810
My name is Deepash Kohler Walaugh with some capital hotels.

1003
01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:18,030
I am the developer of this project.

1004
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:22,190
And we've had several meetings with the neighborhood.

1005
01:23:22,250 --> 01:23:25,270
We had meetings with the Somile Area Neighborhood Association.

1006
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:36,230
we had meetings with historical town, business, board of director meetings, and then most

1007
01:23:36,230 --> 01:23:42,190
recently after our last August third meeting, the council directed me to meet with additional

1008
01:23:42,190 --> 01:23:47,670
folks, the trust and Senator O'Malley, and we did do that. We had a really good conversation

1009
01:23:47,670 --> 01:23:54,790
with the Senator and the trust, and I thank you for that opportunity, and we showcased how we

1010
01:23:54,790 --> 01:24:00,890
to our current design. So it does incorporate a lot of the fabrics of the neighborhood. And then

1011
01:24:00,890 --> 01:24:08,270
host meeting up to Senator Ormali, we made some elevation changes so that we broke her.

1012
01:24:09,210 --> 01:24:16,050
I'm sorry to jump and this is exactly the kind of quasi-judicial discussion about designs that

1013
01:24:16,050 --> 01:24:20,210
later would come up under a site plan or under an effort permitting process that we're concerned about.

1014
01:24:20,210 --> 01:24:25,710
and the risk here is that if the council hears on this in votes on this, then it could be

1015
01:24:25,710 --> 01:24:29,330
effectively precluded from voting on if there's a site plan or if there's a permitting

1016
01:24:29,330 --> 01:24:31,850
or a variance that comes up in the future related to this property.

1017
01:24:32,810 --> 01:24:37,970
So, Madam President, maybe I have to restate the question, so the past few could really just

1018
01:24:37,970 --> 01:24:45,430
specifically on your understanding of what a community agreement like that this amendment is

1019
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:52,730
offering your understanding of it and if it is something that would be agreeable with you,

1020
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:53,350
I guess.

1021
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:59,330
You know, are you okay with some of these in this portion of the process, which is a

1022
01:24:59,330 --> 01:24:59,350
a

1023
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,740
The approval or not approval of an IRB. I mean, how do you feel about these amendments?

1024
01:25:07,740 --> 01:25:15,420
Madam President, Councillor Lewis, it is ambiguous. I don't know what good neighbor policy is.

1025
01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:23,660
I wouldn't know how to define that. So when it's written in the amendment like this, and wouldn't know how to interpret it.

1026
01:25:23,660 --> 01:25:27,520
Well, I mean, that's kind of Madam President, just a little bit of an indicator that I mean,

1027
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:32,000
we're, again, we're putting something on, I mean, regards whether it was on you or on the

1028
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:37,520
community or whatever, I think there's a pretty clear understanding that they're, well, I mean, I

1029
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,960
think it's clear that there's not really an understanding of what even that agreement means and what

1030
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,780
the implications are of it.

1031
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:52,520
Thank you, sir. Thank you. So seeing no one else, I'll just close by,

1032
01:25:52,540 --> 01:25:56,160
you know, not sure that this was going to pass, but you know, we've been kind of going in circles

1033
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,320
on, again, like I said, the cart before the horse.

1034
01:25:59,540 --> 01:26:02,640
I mean, when we're doing IRBs in the community,

1035
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,500
that's a lot of tax deferment for these big projects.

1036
01:26:06,580 --> 01:26:10,420
And I think it's important that when we're doing maybe

1037
01:26:10,420 --> 01:26:14,680
a policy should be made that we do site plans before we do IRB.

1038
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,100
So the community knows what's going in the community.

1039
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:23,580
I agree that it's not fair for them to have to adhere to this.

1040
01:26:23,580 --> 01:26:30,060
But what protections do we have for such an historic neighborhood like Old Town, one of the

1041
01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:35,160
gems of our city, that if we're not sure when, because, and the other thing with the other

1042
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:41,480
properties that are on here, they do not a butt, a neighborhood. This is going to a butt houses.

1043
01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:48,780
And so I'm uncomfortable voting for this, knowing that we don't have any of those protections.

1044
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:53,000
We can't talk about the protections, community can't come up, but talk about whether they agreed

1045
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,940
or didn't agree, amendments can't be made

1046
01:26:55,940 --> 01:26:57,260
because of quasi-judicial.

1047
01:26:57,940 --> 01:26:59,440
So, I mean, not just this project,

1048
01:26:59,620 --> 01:27:02,520
but I think it really leads towards,

1049
01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:05,820
we shouldn't be doing our IRBs

1050
01:27:05,820 --> 01:27:07,740
unless we've had community input.

1051
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:10,980
So, thank you.

1052
01:27:11,220 --> 01:27:12,360
So, I would, thank you, sir.

1053
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,060
So, I would, I would urge your support.

1054
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,440
All those in favor of floor amendment number one,

1055
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,380
raise your hand and say yes, opposed no.

1056
01:27:25,290 --> 01:27:34,070
motion bail of eight win. I didn't even get one. So then now we're on

1057
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:38,710
floor amendment label B will now become floor amendment number two and this is

1058
01:27:38,710 --> 01:27:43,050
Councillor Batta. Thank you Madam President. I think yeah this has become very

1059
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:49,670
convoluted and the groups did me and they came to some agreements and we

1060
01:27:49,670 --> 01:27:55,710
to put those as amendments into here. And our attorneys are telling us we can't do that.

1061
01:27:56,370 --> 01:28:01,570
My understanding is we can cook conditions on an IRB, but the question isn't what conditions

1062
01:28:01,570 --> 01:28:08,910
we put on. It's later in the process, if there's an appeal, we'll be able to weigh in on that.

1063
01:28:08,910 --> 01:28:13,570
And if it's a very specific to one specific project, it details like that then we wouldn't be able to.

1064
01:28:13,570 --> 01:28:19,530
And that part of this is I would hope that whatever agreement

1065
01:28:19,530 --> 01:28:24,190
they came up with, the developer will stick to those.

1066
01:28:24,250 --> 01:28:25,090
They won't change those.

1067
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:28,370
And within the site plan, I assume this is the point where if

1068
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:30,410
he doesn't follow through on his commitments to the community,

1069
01:28:30,890 --> 01:28:33,330
the telepeel and all they'll be able to support the community

1070
01:28:33,330 --> 01:28:34,290
in that context.

1071
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:40,950
And so that's the long way of saying, here's our amorphous amendment.

1072
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:45,490
that I wanted there to acknowledge that the community met, the Farmell Land Trust, the Farmell

1073
01:28:45,490 --> 01:28:51,290
Association, other members, and everyone's kind of worked together to come to, including

1074
01:28:51,290 --> 01:28:57,270
the developer, to come to the agreement on what this hotel will ultimately look like and

1075
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:59,730
be a positive, and that positive for the community.

1076
01:29:01,990 --> 01:29:06,710
So I move, move in a second, thank you.

1077
01:29:06,710 --> 01:29:14,670
So there's a motion in a second for floor amendment that was labeled B that's now floor amendment number two by committee the whole chair.

1078
01:29:15,230 --> 01:29:15,590
Rout.

1079
01:29:16,370 --> 01:29:16,530
Councillor.

1080
01:29:18,970 --> 01:29:21,010
Madam President, I just want to point out for the clerk.

1081
01:29:21,290 --> 01:29:23,990
There's just a typo in there that needs to be corrected.

1082
01:29:24,330 --> 01:29:25,810
And this is a trust not trust.

1083
01:29:26,330 --> 01:29:28,570
And I guess to Councillor Baca's point.

1084
01:29:29,090 --> 01:29:32,770
I don't think that this, I think this seems fine.

1085
01:29:32,770 --> 01:29:40,750
But I do hope that both the developer and the neighbors, and the sawmill, trust, and all of these different entities,

1086
01:29:41,050 --> 01:29:46,630
hold up their end of the bargain, too, and that this is something that works both ways and mutually,

1087
01:29:46,770 --> 01:29:50,470
because I think that we talk about wanting to improve areas in Albuquerque.

1088
01:29:52,690 --> 01:29:59,910
And I still don't think it's right for us to start discriminating one IRB in a very similar location over another.

1089
01:30:05,330 --> 01:30:06,290
I mean,

1090
01:30:08,690 --> 01:30:18,390
this is just a statement that says that folks met together and were able to reach a mutual agreement.

1091
01:30:19,450 --> 01:30:24,910
I mean, why, I don't know, it just seems like a statement that has a lot of implications,

1092
01:30:25,390 --> 01:30:27,490
but it's very vague.

1093
01:30:29,190 --> 01:30:30,350
I'm not even sure what it means.

1094
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:35,230
I mean, maybe it's vague, because we're afraid to get into some of the quasi-judicial.

1095
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:36,470
Is that it?

1096
01:30:37,230 --> 01:30:41,010
So in that regard, I mean, it's just, I don't know.

1097
01:30:41,190 --> 01:30:47,950
I don't know whether or not it just seems, it just seems like a, I don't know,

1098
01:30:47,950 --> 01:31:01,090
That's your point, but was that a question or just okay, observation, thank you, Madam President, Councillor Rogers.

1099
01:31:02,270 --> 01:31:13,530
Thank you, Madam President. I think my question is also with the tea. Are we going to add the tea? Okay, and then my question is what I'm worried about.

1100
01:31:13,530 --> 01:31:16,490
And I think I'll go to our legal team.

1101
01:31:18,190 --> 01:31:20,570
What I'm worried about on this one is the way it's worded,

1102
01:31:20,650 --> 01:31:24,910
means we did the community engagement, everything's great.

1103
01:31:25,710 --> 01:31:28,830
We met, we discussed the concerns,

1104
01:31:29,010 --> 01:31:30,330
and we have a mutual agreement.

1105
01:31:30,490 --> 01:31:33,410
But we've only heard from one party today.

1106
01:31:35,490 --> 01:31:37,810
And so I'm worried that this is going to lock us in to say,

1107
01:31:37,870 --> 01:31:40,410
that's already done, check the box, move along.

1108
01:31:40,410 --> 01:31:47,150
And I am interpreting that correctly because it says we have met doesn't say that there's any more to be done.

1109
01:31:47,470 --> 01:31:50,450
Like it's done, we did it.

1110
01:31:51,290 --> 01:31:57,910
Madam President, Councilor Rogers, this would exist separately from the site plan process that we've been dancing around a little bit.

1111
01:31:58,050 --> 01:32:04,410
So there are additional public engagement requirements associated with that side of the development.

1112
01:32:04,410 --> 01:32:08,270
And so, this doesn't touch whatever that entails.

1113
01:32:08,530 --> 01:32:11,770
This is just for purposes of considering this ordinance.

1114
01:32:12,890 --> 01:32:13,570
Thank you, Madam President.

1115
01:32:13,650 --> 01:32:17,650
So this does not bind the community to say we agree.

1116
01:32:19,130 --> 01:32:21,330
Because I read it as back.

1117
01:32:21,550 --> 01:32:28,270
Madam President, Councillor Rogers, no, it does not bind for this ordinance.

1118
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:31,660
Thank you, Madam President.

1119
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:35,140
Thank you, Councillor Rogers.

1120
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:36,000
Councillor Lewis.

1121
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:43,360
I'm going to take this to say, because I think it's what it does, this is that the company,

1122
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:51,240
the Somile Land Trust, and other nearby residents, neighbors, and organizations, are supportive

1123
01:32:51,240 --> 01:33:00,860
of the salary that everything's been worked out, and everyone's good. Am I wrong?

1124
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:09,920
Better President and Councillor Lewis, I think what we need that the Council, it's important

1125
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,160
to understand that these are two separate processes.

1126
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:17,300
So one process is trying to deal with the site plan.

1127
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:21,640
That's quasi-judicial, and that's its own process that goes to its own thing.

1128
01:33:21,700 --> 01:33:26,120
This is not going to be binding based on that, it's not like that is what they worked

1129
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:27,200
with a separate process.

1130
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:32,040
The IRB, you can put anything that you want, like there's a lot of different things that

1131
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:38,080
can be included in an IRB. The issue is if you include certain things in this particular IRB,

1132
01:33:38,220 --> 01:33:43,240
when there's a site plan that's going through the system, then the council could potentially

1133
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:48,400
would be in a spot where they wouldn't be able to hear a potential appeal of the site plan.

1134
01:33:48,900 --> 01:33:58,540
So that's what's going on here. That's why it's difficult because you don't want the council,

1135
01:34:00,430 --> 01:34:11,690
We, what our legal team, what city legal we've talked to, are both doing is trying to be sure that if a site plan is appealed to Council, Council can weigh in and won't have to refuse.

1136
01:34:12,890 --> 01:34:17,530
So separate processes. You've got the IRB, and you've got the site plan.

1137
01:34:18,130 --> 01:34:27,990
Madam President, and I get that. This is an amendment attached to the issuance of an IRB for this specific project.

1138
01:34:28,570 --> 01:34:34,050
And so, you know, if we just relate it to that specifically, then I'll take the statement for what it's worth.

1139
01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:40,630
Is that it counts for us?

1140
01:34:41,770 --> 01:34:41,850
Yeah?

1141
01:34:43,470 --> 01:34:44,130
Anyone else?

1142
01:34:44,810 --> 01:34:48,350
So, with that, counts for bucket of clothes.

1143
01:34:49,850 --> 01:34:52,010
There's a motion and a second for floor.

1144
01:34:52,410 --> 01:34:53,950
Proposed to amendment number.

1145
01:34:54,430 --> 01:34:55,490
Floor amendment number two.

1146
01:34:55,690 --> 01:34:58,430
All those in favor say yes and raise your hand.

1147
01:34:59,410 --> 01:34:59,890
Opposed.

1148
01:34:59,890 --> 01:34:59,970
Thanks for watching, and don't forget to like, share, and subscribe to my channel.

1149
01:35:02,740 --> 01:35:04,640
6, 3 motion passes.

1150
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:15,170
So now we are back on the bill as amended and we will now go before we go to councilors.

1151
01:35:15,250 --> 01:35:19,090
We will go to public comment. So Mr. Cornelius, can you call our first speaker?

1152
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:27,880
Thank you, Madam President. Our first speaker is Senator Debbie O'Malley, followed by Dr Lisa Fristofferson.

1153
01:35:53,450 --> 01:36:00,850
Madam chair counselors, I just want to do, I do want to say that we did meet, I thought it was a good meeting.

1154
01:36:02,650 --> 01:36:11,570
I think we really need to figure this thing out when it comes to an IRB versus, you know, it was mentioned there's two separate processes.

1155
01:36:12,670 --> 01:36:19,970
Well, but then now it looks like council is kind of like combat, I mean your legal council is now combining them.

1156
01:36:19,970 --> 01:36:27,430
And it's my understanding that you can put conditions on an R&B and I just want to say that we don't have an agreement

1157
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:37,330
We have an understanding I think that's in this characterization of what happened and the understanding was that we would have some strong amendments dealing with the issues we discussed.

1158
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:42,170
The conditions we discussed and now we were told of course that we couldn't do that.

1159
01:36:43,710 --> 01:36:57,210
So, you know, I think that we're headed in the right direction, however now it looks like we can't talk about anything having to do with the site, the building, height, the mass, anything like that, because that would become a problem.

1160
01:36:57,990 --> 01:37:08,110
So, by the way, I just want to say that that does not mean we have remained, we remain neutral on the IRB, just so you know, thank you.

1161
01:37:10,540 --> 01:37:13,760
Dr. Lisa Kristofferson, followed by William Keller.

1162
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:19,200
Thank you all very much, and thank you very much for the good neighbor agreement.

1163
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:21,540
I would have voted for it, that's a good idea.

1164
01:37:22,300 --> 01:37:25,780
I would say to answer the question, why now, not why before?

1165
01:37:26,260 --> 01:37:29,140
Truly, honestly, we weren't organized the way we are now.

1166
01:37:29,180 --> 01:37:32,940
We weren't organized that way before, and getting information out to commute.

1167
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:34,440
Hey, did you know that this is happening?

1168
01:37:34,660 --> 01:37:39,560
Because sometimes, as you'll hear here, as happened with, in my situation, I lived close

1169
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:45,260
to a property that I didn't get notice on because of the amount of space, legally, right?

1170
01:37:45,420 --> 01:37:50,840
So I would say that NMSTC supports construction as long as there have been conversations

1171
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:51,720
with stakeholders.

1172
01:37:52,140 --> 01:37:55,420
We maintain that for everything going forward.

1173
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,360
We're not like against developers, the communities not against housing, et cetera.

1174
01:37:59,900 --> 01:38:00,740
Just are we including?

1175
01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:02,360
So I would ask that same question.

1176
01:38:02,460 --> 01:38:09,380
When does the community get to express our concerns about how far the parking, the traffic,

1177
01:38:09,380 --> 01:38:15,200
all of that. So I would appreciate if we could have confirmation that they got the agreements

1178
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:19,640
that they wanted. That's really what we're asking for. Let them work with the community.

1179
01:38:19,740 --> 01:38:20,960
How long it takes?

1180
01:38:23,500 --> 01:38:27,760
Thank you. William Keller, followed by Michael Silva.

1181
01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:37,320
Thank you. Thank you, Madam President, Counselors. I'm my name's Bill Keller. I'm here just as

1182
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:43,140
member of the public, basically I grew up in Albuquerque, I worked here all my life, and

1183
01:38:43,140 --> 01:38:49,540
I currently manage a family real estate company, and I'm more importantly a big booster

1184
01:38:49,540 --> 01:38:50,480
of Albuquerque.

1185
01:38:51,700 --> 01:38:57,080
And I just, I want Albuquerque to be better, and this is something that will bring places

1186
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:03,520
to stay to an important part of town, somebody, you know, we've mentioned, old town and

1187
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:07,760
It's a great area, and this will bring people there.

1188
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:16,560
This particular place won't have a bar or a restaurant in it, so the visitors will walk

1189
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:22,020
outside, drive outside, they will go someplace, and spend a little bit of money.

1190
01:39:22,540 --> 01:39:25,200
And the business visitors will be doing business here.

1191
01:39:25,380 --> 01:39:31,180
So I think it's just a part of developing out the Turkey, and I hope that we can get behind

1192
01:39:31,180 --> 01:39:31,700
it.

1193
01:39:34,130 --> 01:39:37,490
Michael Silva, followed by Pete Kisetas.

1194
01:39:42,380 --> 01:39:44,100
Hello, my name is Michael Silva.

1195
01:39:45,420 --> 01:39:54,060
I first wanted to say I dealt with this hotel company in a previous entrepreneurial endeavor that I own and operate.

1196
01:39:55,020 --> 01:39:56,860
And I found them to be incredibly kind.

1197
01:40:00,660 --> 01:40:11,080
Driven, I found them to be the type of people that wouldn't be comfortable in their success so much so that they would forget about those around them, and the greater goods.

1198
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:15,840
I just wanted to put that on record first. Kindness is essential, and they appear to be kind operators.

1199
01:40:16,660 --> 01:40:25,160
As a business owner, that's impacted by this. I am the co-owner of the, from what I know, the only tourter company in the state of Mexico, Tory, BQ.

1200
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:28,180
we operate the city tour of the trolley here in Albuquerque.

1201
01:40:30,510 --> 01:40:32,210
I'm in favor of more people being in the

1202
01:40:32,210 --> 01:40:36,850
old town, Songil area because that means they're going to get on my trolley and that means that's economic

1203
01:40:36,850 --> 01:40:42,810
development and we are as a company the best first thing to do in Albuquerque. That's how we promote ourselves.

1204
01:40:42,930 --> 01:40:48,770
We take people and show them all that is Albuquerque and gives us a greater view of the city so they can go out and

1205
01:40:48,770 --> 01:40:51,510
explore and do other things. Thank you.

1206
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:56,940
Pete Casetas, father of our trolley Bradley.

1207
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:01,260
Good evening

1208
01:41:01,260 --> 01:41:04,640
I was at the last meeting and here I am again.

1209
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:06,340
I have skin in the game.

1210
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:08,760
I manage Plaza Don Luis, which is an old town.

1211
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:12,460
I own Outpost 176 Caproom in Plaza Don Luis.

1212
01:41:12,860 --> 01:41:14,140
I live in the heart of Old Town.

1213
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:16,460
I support the development in the IRB.

1214
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,800
I feel if it's given to other developers in the area.

1215
01:41:18,980 --> 01:41:21,220
It should be extended to this developer.

1216
01:41:22,620 --> 01:41:25,660
New construction is difficult in Old Town in the old town area.

1217
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:27,020
Here we have an opportunity.

1218
01:41:27,340 --> 01:41:28,840
It's usually difficult because of land.

1219
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:34,340
and we have that. We need to take full advantage of it. I do not think this brand or this

1220
01:41:34,340 --> 01:41:39,520
project will lessen anything in the particular area. It will add two old town, especially since

1221
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:43,880
the fact the developer will not be putting a bar or restaurant in there, those folks will take the

1222
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:48,640
rail trail, they'll walk to old town, they'll come to my establishment and many others and spend

1223
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:54,420
money and have a great time. I also think it provides an affordable option for the tourists coming

1224
01:41:54,420 --> 01:41:57,600
through Albuquerque to stay in that downtown old town area.

1225
01:41:57,940 --> 01:42:00,020
So I think that's a plus also.

1226
01:42:00,940 --> 01:42:04,500
In addition to that, it creates jobs for the local community.

1227
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:05,980
Thank you.

1228
01:42:07,220 --> 01:42:08,260
Thank you.

1229
01:42:08,540 --> 01:42:12,180
Troy Bradley, fellow by Adale Rose, Ben Etaheric.

1230
01:42:16,420 --> 01:42:20,340
Madam Chair, and Councillor Stank's for allowing us to come and speak on this.

1231
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:25,880
My name is Troy Bradley, I'm the executive chief pilot for Rainbow Riders, well known for

1232
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:30,140
the building community and the largest right operator in North America, and we've grown out

1233
01:42:30,140 --> 01:42:30,580
of Albuquerque.

1234
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:32,060
That's where we're from.

1235
01:42:33,220 --> 01:42:40,160
But what we're looking for is we want everyone to think about in vision, if I say Albuquerque.

1236
01:42:40,900 --> 01:42:43,180
Right there, what's the first thought that comes to your mind?

1237
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:44,760
All of us are from different neighborhoods.

1238
01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:46,040
We're all from different areas.

1239
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:48,780
We have a vision of Albuquerque that is our own.

1240
01:42:49,180 --> 01:42:53,620
When we say Albuquerque to an outsider to a tourist, old town is the vision that they

1241
01:42:53,620 --> 01:42:53,980
see.

1242
01:42:53,980 --> 01:42:55,440
That is what we sell.

1243
01:42:55,700 --> 01:42:59,560
That's what we are promoting and pushing because that's what people want to see.

1244
01:42:59,740 --> 01:43:00,640
They want to have the old west.

1245
01:43:00,780 --> 01:43:02,700
They want to have the old town area.

1246
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:09,160
Recently I was in part of two organizations that RFPs have gone out to and they had responded

1247
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:12,280
with Albuquerque as being one of the possible host cities.

1248
01:43:12,940 --> 01:43:19,300
We lost both of those bids due to the cost of staying in the old town area.

1249
01:43:19,300 --> 01:43:25,700
So I think that this would provide a good mid-scale all-logging need that is necessary down there.

1250
01:43:26,020 --> 01:43:27,300
Thank you very much.

1251
01:43:28,700 --> 01:43:31,720
Adele Rose Bennett, Eric, followed by Grace Dukes.

1252
01:43:36,190 --> 01:43:39,330
So this is why we want caretakers not developers.

1253
01:43:40,030 --> 01:43:44,170
I would ask that you pull that amendment to amendment B out.

1254
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:47,650
I live near old town.

1255
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:49,950
I can't support this.

1256
01:43:49,950 --> 01:43:55,950
They're pushing people around and out of their homes.

1257
01:43:57,190 --> 01:43:59,890
Adele Rose, if you don't mind.

1258
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:03,960
I'm going to take a personal privilege.

1259
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:07,580
First time I've seen you since the last time we're here

1260
01:44:07,580 --> 01:44:10,560
and I just want to make a public apology to you

1261
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:13,940
for how I announced you the last time.

1262
01:44:14,780 --> 01:44:16,880
So, again, apologize.

1263
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:18,360
Take care.

1264
01:44:18,620 --> 01:44:19,080
Thank you.

1265
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:20,840
Okay, our next speaker.

1266
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:22,860
Thank you, Madam President.

1267
01:44:23,220 --> 01:44:26,140
Grace Dukes, followed by then, Michael Bararros.

1268
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,240
I've been watching these comments for a few months

1269
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:33,740
about this hotel, and frankly,

1270
01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:36,560
I'm surprised by the way people talk about this.

1271
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:38,620
You would think they're trying to build another

1272
01:44:38,620 --> 01:44:42,020
birch colifah in the Somel, but in reality,

1273
01:44:42,220 --> 01:44:43,640
this is a five story hotel

1274
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:45,460
that's going to give people more options.

1275
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:47,380
It's a locally owned project,

1276
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:50,060
but I can't in good faith support this

1277
01:44:50,060 --> 01:44:51,340
with the amendment B.

1278
01:44:51,340 --> 01:44:55,960
This essentially binds the community into approval and silence.

1279
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:59,980
I came into supporting the IRB, but now I genuinely don't know how to...

1280
01:45:00,740 --> 01:45:15,720
This feels incredibly fishy in the fact that you don't know that the site plan will stay the same from tonight, approval, this IRB, to when they break ground should be grounds to vote this down, regardless of how you feel about the options that this will open up.

1281
01:45:18,180 --> 01:45:22,060
Ben Michael Vereris, followed by Austin Shovel.

1282
01:45:32,620 --> 01:45:35,760
Austin Shovel, followed by Concewello, Avaita.

1283
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:50,080
Well, everyone, not a big public speaker, so bear with me.

1284
01:45:50,380 --> 01:45:53,360
But I'm here for a second time, because I really do believe in this project.

1285
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:57,380
My name is Austin Shovel, I'm an in Mexico native, born and raised in North Valley.

1286
01:45:58,020 --> 01:46:00,600
I've been graduating some St. Pius, played football at UNM,

1287
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,280
and I now operate a small business in the village of Los Ranchos,

1288
01:46:03,480 --> 01:46:05,140
own and operate a small business.

1289
01:46:06,420 --> 01:46:09,020
I'm here to speak in support of the Post Hotel.

1290
01:46:09,860 --> 01:46:12,180
After recently looking for a room for special occasions,

1291
01:46:12,420 --> 01:46:17,240
I find the prices of the two local closest hotels are pretty darn expensive.

1292
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:24,240
You know, Chaco at $477 and then $285 a night.

1293
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:29,580
It's not doable for young people that are trying to be in the area.

1294
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:40,400
A nice new locally owned and staff to mid-range price hotel and walking distance of all the gems that we know and love is much needed in the area.

1295
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:45,960
All in all, I think it would be a fantastic addition to the old town in Albuquerque as a whole.

1296
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:48,140
I want to thank you all so much for your time.

1297
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:54,580
Consuelo Abeta, followed by Viola Martinez.

1298
01:47:01,140 --> 01:47:03,120
I am Consuelo with some capital hotels.

1299
01:47:03,980 --> 01:47:10,980
At my Hilton property, we have made several upgrades to improve our environmental footprint, which includes water saving fixtures,

1300
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:15,600
LED lighting, motion controlled thermostats, high efficiency laundry units,

1301
01:47:16,020 --> 01:47:18,720
and other planet-friendly practices.

1302
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:24,600
This bulk amenity bottles have been replaced or have replaced individual amenities.

1303
01:47:25,300 --> 01:47:30,400
Hilton saved the world program, recycles our amenity plastics, and used bar soaps.

1304
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:34,920
The new sawmill hotel will continue the same spirit of sustainability.

1305
01:47:35,940 --> 01:47:44,700
I will personally make sure, excuse me, I will personally help make sure we bring

1306
01:47:44,700 --> 01:47:50,580
the same standards to this hotel and operate it as a responsible neighbor in Samuel and

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01:47:50,580 --> 01:47:51,180
Old Town.

1308
01:47:51,180 --> 01:47:52,500
I support this therapy.

1309
01:47:55,660 --> 01:47:59,480
Violet Martinez, followed by Bernice Guerrero,

1310
01:48:08,580 --> 01:48:10,940
Bernice Guerrero, followed by Robert

1311
01:48:10,940 --> 01:48:11,740
Avalos.

1312
01:48:20,810 --> 01:48:20,910
Hello.

1313
01:48:21,470 --> 01:48:22,070
Good evening.

1314
01:48:22,450 --> 01:48:22,750
I'm sorry.

1315
01:48:23,130 --> 01:48:23,790
I'm sorry.

1316
01:48:24,570 --> 01:48:25,650
My name is Bernice.

1317
01:48:25,870 --> 01:48:31,050
I lead the house keeping the carbonation capitals when I started speaking English in front

1318
01:48:31,050 --> 01:48:36,610
people was very difficult for me. Throughout the leadership program, I learned to communicate better,

1319
01:48:36,750 --> 01:48:42,810
present in English and become more confident. Today, I lead the entire housekeeping department.

1320
01:48:43,310 --> 01:48:49,050
The company supports our families. They provide Thanksgiving meals and help us with school

1321
01:48:49,050 --> 01:48:58,710
for plus for our children's. This is more than a job for me as being an opportunity to grow and become

1322
01:48:58,710 --> 01:49:03,570
a leader in a better support with my family, thank you.

1323
01:49:08,050 --> 01:49:11,430
Robert Avalos, followed by Orlando Alvichris.

1324
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:19,380
Hello, Madam President. I'm Kelsa members. I'm Robert Avalos. I'm also

1325
01:49:19,380 --> 01:49:24,420
with some capital hotels and at our hotels, we work hard to support nearby restaurants,

1326
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:29,620
bars and local businesses. Our guests are looking for places to eat and things to do,

1327
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:34,220
and we want to help them connect with the neighborhood. I will be helping with the new

1328
01:49:34,220 --> 01:49:40,940
Hamilton integrate into the community and build relationships with nearby businesses like for myself at my hotel

1329
01:49:40,940 --> 01:49:47,180
There's five six seven restaurants around us and so when we have teams coming in or we know big sports events are coming in

1330
01:49:47,180 --> 01:49:53,200
We help coordinate that with those restaurants so then they're not surprised with a party of 20 or 30 coming in the door

1331
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:57,940
There, you know, made aware of that and they can prepare properly for their staff as well

1332
01:49:57,940 --> 01:49:59,960
Because the hotel will not have its own

1333
01:50:08,540 --> 01:50:23,640
I think it's important that we spread the wealth of something I learned in our visit, Albuquerque Ace class, and not just kind of keep it in one area, but spread it all around Albuquerque. So thank you, I hope you support this IRB.

1334
01:50:25,110 --> 01:50:29,070
Orlando Alvdres, followed by Helia Todd.

1335
01:50:34,910 --> 01:50:38,510
Madam President and counselors, my name is Orlando, and I'm the director of the Salmel Community

1336
01:50:38,510 --> 01:50:39,050
Land Trust.

1337
01:50:39,930 --> 01:50:44,050
We met with the hotel developer and our counselor, Joaquin Baca, and Good Faith, Friday

1338
01:50:44,050 --> 01:50:46,970
before last to come up with amendments that address our concerns.

1339
01:50:47,490 --> 01:50:50,870
We felt it was our responsibility to speak up for the historic neighborhoods immediately

1340
01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:52,350
east of the proposed hotel.

1341
01:50:52,910 --> 01:50:56,910
There is no development that exceeds three stories that immediately abut single family homes

1342
01:50:56,910 --> 01:50:57,550
in the area.

1343
01:50:57,550 --> 01:51:02,530
As we know, the developer slash property owner has the right through zoning to build 60 feet.

1344
01:51:02,550 --> 01:51:06,550
However, it's clear that he needs the financial incentive of the IRB to build his hotel.

1345
01:51:07,130 --> 01:51:08,750
And this is where Council has a say.

1346
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:13,630
We are asking that you support strong amendments to this bill that deal with the issues we discussed.

1347
01:51:14,030 --> 01:51:15,010
Thank you.

1348
01:51:17,220 --> 01:51:20,440
Halea Tom, followed by DePesh, Nicole Wadwala.

1349
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,260
Good afternoon, Madam President, counselors.

1350
01:51:23,940 --> 01:51:27,040
I wrote a speech today, but I'm not going to say it.

1351
01:51:27,340 --> 01:51:28,880
I want to thank you for your time.

1352
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:32,840
I want to thank you for hearing us out the last couple of weeks.

1353
01:51:33,340 --> 01:51:37,500
I have learned so much by coming to the City Council meetings and how I can be a better

1354
01:51:37,500 --> 01:51:44,220
member of the community and how I can support us in joining what you counselors are working on

1355
01:51:44,220 --> 01:51:49,940
in your districts. We have a really cool leadership program that you've heard us talk about over

1356
01:51:49,940 --> 01:51:56,900
the last couple of weeks and we are really about growing individuals. So we don't hire a person that

1357
01:51:56,900 --> 01:52:02,660
go to college or necessarily that's not the right path for them, but we want to give them

1358
01:52:02,660 --> 01:52:08,960
career opportunities. Something really tangible to hold on to. And that's a career. We invest

1359
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:15,680
in them. We want them to start out in a very beginning position and have the opportunity to grow

1360
01:52:16,440 --> 01:52:21,240
and whether they grow with us or whether we help them go out and find a job someplace else.

1361
01:52:21,860 --> 01:52:26,760
We want to do that for our people. We also want to be a part of this community. So thank you guys

1362
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:31,640
for hearing us today, and I'm excited for what we can do next.

1363
01:52:33,580 --> 01:52:38,440
DePesh, called Wadwala, followed by William R. Stafford on Zoom.

1364
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,260
Hi, DePesh, I can't do better than that.

1365
01:52:41,260 --> 01:52:43,740
I just want to thank you for your time today.

1366
01:52:57,560 --> 01:53:00,800
William Stafford, followed by Ray Strong on Zoom.

1367
01:53:09,940 --> 01:53:13,020
Madam President and Councillors, thank you so much.

1368
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:14,400
My name is William R. Stafford.

1369
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,760
I'm the owner of the State of New Mexico.

1370
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:23,820
So, very proud to say that my family has been serving authentic New Mexican cuisine for 72 years

1371
01:53:23,820 --> 01:53:25,020
in the Albuquerque area.

1372
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:28,920
My support for this project comes in many aspects.

1373
01:53:29,780 --> 01:53:36,460
What stands out the most as a destination city for Albuquerque is affordable overnight rooms.

1374
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:37,860
We need more of that.

1375
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:38,920
We need the destination.

1376
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:40,500
We need that economic development.

1377
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:45,160
And secondly, employment opportunities.

1378
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:53,100
I think that all of us as business people in this area in the city of Albuquerque, the village of Los Ranchos, and

1379
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:59,480
and beyond really understand just how important it is to get people.

1380
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:03,220
Let's hire more Albuquerqueians, new Mexicans.

1381
01:54:03,260 --> 01:54:04,300
Let's put them to work.

1382
01:54:04,820 --> 01:54:07,320
Thank you so much for all the work that you do.

1383
01:54:07,380 --> 01:54:08,360
I really appreciate it.

1384
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:09,520
God bless.

1385
01:54:12,850 --> 01:54:16,950
Raise strong, followed by Zachary Poon.

1386
01:54:17,790 --> 01:54:20,930
Madam President, council members, thank you for this opportunity.

1387
01:54:21,110 --> 01:54:24,050
This is the second time I will speak to you about this project.

1388
01:54:24,630 --> 01:54:27,750
I am fully supporting of this project and I think it's compelling.

1389
01:54:28,010 --> 01:54:32,950
We've heard a lot of statements about the economic, the positive economic impact of a

1390
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:39,770
project of this nature and the quality and benefit to the community and to the noble

1391
01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:44,970
I'm speaking you today as a longtime resident that will retire here.

1392
01:54:46,210 --> 01:54:51,870
I am a professional risk manager and insurance broker for 47 years.

1393
01:54:52,250 --> 01:54:55,250
I've worked with some capital for over 15 years.

1394
01:54:55,730 --> 01:54:59,650
I've walked every one of their properties here in the Mexico and I could assure you.

1395
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,900
That there are the quality of the buildings, the quality of the product that they will produce and they have produced many.

1396
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:15,320
We'll make our community proud. They meet and exceed the standards that you would expect for life safety, for public safety, and fire prevention.

1397
01:55:16,820 --> 01:55:22,820
And I cannot advocate for them. I'm so impressed with the leadership group. They do such a great job.

1398
01:55:23,260 --> 01:55:28,120
I hope you can support this project. I think it will be a benefit to everyone. Thank you.

1399
01:55:29,530 --> 01:55:32,510
Zachary Holm, followed by a Jordan McConnell.

1400
01:55:35,690 --> 01:55:37,450
I thank you guys for your time.

1401
01:55:38,730 --> 01:55:42,330
In support of this project and given these guys their IRB,

1402
01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:48,010
I have a business with two locations that would be affected by a bit of

1403
01:55:48,010 --> 01:55:50,670
traffic from a hotel like this.

1404
01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:53,610
And I think that's a positive thing for the community.

1405
01:55:54,050 --> 01:55:59,190
I live in the area and I would welcome the addition of extra affordable

1406
01:55:59,190 --> 01:56:07,810
rooms to bring customers to my bar. I also think that building hotels will help us take

1407
01:56:07,810 --> 01:56:12,450
the pressure off converting housing into airB and B's, and that's something we desperately

1408
01:56:12,450 --> 01:56:17,890
need in Albuquerque to use more affordable housing. And I thank you guys for your time.

1409
01:56:21,220 --> 01:56:22,040
Jordan McConnell.

1410
01:56:25,700 --> 01:56:27,880
Good evening, President Pennion. Members of the Council,

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01:56:27,940 --> 01:56:33,780
my name is Jordan McConnell. I'm a district to resident. Earlier in my life, I worked in

1412
01:56:33,780 --> 01:56:37,780
Spitality is a front desk agent, a night auditor, and in hotel management.

1413
01:56:38,660 --> 01:56:42,120
This was during a period of my life where I struggled financially in having a hotel

1414
01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:45,880
job within walking distance of my home literally kept me housed.

1415
01:56:46,500 --> 01:56:48,380
I'm asking you to approve this IRB.

1416
01:56:48,980 --> 01:56:52,700
The developers done what we asked the developers to do, they followed our rules, they

1417
01:56:52,700 --> 01:56:54,760
listened to neighbors, and they were responding to concerns.

1418
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:59,240
The project will comply with planning frameworks, neighborhood age requirements, and

1419
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:01,380
at some point the process has to mean something.

1420
01:57:01,380 --> 01:57:04,340
And at Grace's point, it won't be a Birch Khalifa.

1421
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:08,280
We're investing millions in the rail trail through the sawmill in Old Town.

1422
01:57:08,380 --> 01:57:12,780
This hotel compliments and leverages that investment by putting visitors within walking and biking

1423
01:57:12,780 --> 01:57:17,520
distance of all these lovely businesses, that's also what an IRB does, leverages investment.

1424
01:57:18,220 --> 01:57:21,580
Council already approved an IRB for another property in your journal center.

1425
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:24,620
I appreciate Councillor Bassong for underlining that.

1426
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:28,660
We want this investment, we want these jobs and we want this project in our community.

1427
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:30,420
Please approve this IRB.

1428
01:57:30,420 --> 01:57:39,760
Thank you. Thank you, Madam President. I was unable to locate four speakers in Zoom, so that concludes comment. Thank you.

1429
01:57:39,820 --> 01:57:43,420
Thank you before we go to Councillor's staff wanted to present.

1430
01:57:57,330 --> 01:58:02,830
Thank you, Madam President and city councillors. Tonight I am pleased to present the Dreamcatcher

1431
01:58:02,830 --> 01:58:09,390
Sommel Hotel Development, a project that represents a significant private investment in it underutilized

1432
01:58:09,390 --> 01:58:13,610
site that continues the redevelopment of an important area of Albuquerque.

1433
01:58:15,290 --> 01:58:23,250
The applicant is requesting $40 million, $520,267,000, and city issued taxable industrial

1434
01:58:23,250 --> 01:58:28,870
revenue bonds to support the construction of a new dual-branded Hampton Inn and Hohmto

1435
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:36,350
Sweets Hotel at 1,8th Street. The development will include approximately 135 rooms that

1436
01:58:36,350 --> 01:58:41,770
fly with the IDO and Old Town Historic Overlay along with parking and new landscaping.

1437
01:58:42,490 --> 01:58:47,570
The development has intentionally decided not to include a bar or restaurant in the hotel

1438
01:58:47,570 --> 01:58:51,430
to generate broad community benefit to local small businesses.

1439
01:58:52,330 --> 01:58:58,730
The hotel replaces approximately 25,600 square foot office building that will improve traffic

1440
01:58:58,730 --> 01:59:03,950
patterns by staggering them throughout the day rather than current concentration at peak hours

1441
01:59:03,950 --> 01:59:04,970
Monday through Friday.

1442
01:59:04,970 --> 01:59:11,630
This investment will also put this property back into productive use that generates gross

1443
01:59:11,630 --> 01:59:18,470
receipts, tax, lodgers, tax, albuquerque tourism, marketing district assessment, and contributes

1444
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:21,290
to much needed foot traffic in the area.

1445
01:59:22,350 --> 01:59:26,690
The project also aligns with several important economic development priorities.

1446
01:59:26,990 --> 01:59:32,550
It is located with a metropolitan redevelopment area, an opportunity zone, and a historically

1447
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:38,310
underutilized business zone. These designations reflect the areas potential for redevelopment

1448
01:59:38,310 --> 01:59:43,990
and make this project an opportunity to advance both local and federal economic development goals.

1449
01:59:44,890 --> 01:59:52,650
This project is expected to create approximately 42 to 47 permanent full-time and part-time jobs.

1450
01:59:53,210 --> 01:59:59,790
These positions will include professional, supervisory, clerical, and operational hospitality roles.

1451
02:00:00,140 --> 02:00:10,780
This project also provides meaningful benefits to its employees, eligible employees will have access to medical, dental, and vision insurance as well as retirement plans.

1452
02:00:11,940 --> 02:00:26,360
This fiscal impact is also positive, according to UNM Beaver of Business and Economic Research, the project is estimated to generate approximately 6.4 million in taxes by 2045 and remain tax-positive throughout the term of the bond.

1453
02:00:26,980 --> 02:00:32,760
I also want to emphasize that no city funds will be used and the city's credit will not be pledged.

1454
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:39,780
This project will be eligible for up to 20 years of property tax abatement on the land building and equipment.

1455
02:00:40,580 --> 02:00:46,280
Equipment purchase with bond proceeds will be exempt from gross receipts and compensating tax.

1456
02:00:46,280 --> 02:01:01,120
At its core this project, this project takes an underutilized property, bringing more than 40 million in private investment, creates jobs, generates long-term tax revenue, and contributes to the local tourism economy.

1457
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:13,380
The DreamCatcher saw Mill Hotel Development represents a strong example of how the city's industrial revenue bond program can leverage private investment and support economic development, job creation and revitalization.

1458
02:01:13,380 --> 02:01:18,160
And for this reason, staff recommends approval of the Dream Catcher, Salmil Hotel.

1459
02:01:18,940 --> 02:01:22,740
I would now like to invite the Pesh if you choose to hear from him.

1460
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:24,460
Thank you for your time.

1461
02:01:34,190 --> 02:01:37,470
Madam President, Council, I had a presentation, but I'm going to skip it because,

1462
02:01:38,210 --> 02:01:39,550
oh, what we talked about earlier.

1463
02:01:45,060 --> 02:01:46,880
Okay, so does that finalize your presentation?

1464
02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:47,860
It does.

1465
02:01:48,100 --> 02:01:48,920
Okay, thank you.

1466
02:01:49,220 --> 02:01:49,620
Okay, thank you.

1467
02:01:49,620 --> 02:01:49,820
Okay, thank you.

1468
02:01:49,820 --> 02:01:52,120
So we're going to go to Councillors, but before we do Mr. Pesh,

1469
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:55,180
You're already here. I would just like to ask a couple of questions.

1470
02:01:57,660 --> 02:02:00,000
So we have, I mean, we're hearing from everyone.

1471
02:02:00,160 --> 02:02:04,860
I think I RBI just voted on IRB right down the street from there.

1472
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:09,560
We voted on IRB that you have another project going.

1473
02:02:09,980 --> 02:02:11,620
And obviously this one in front of us.

1474
02:02:11,740 --> 02:02:15,620
And so I guess my question is, is community, right?

1475
02:02:15,860 --> 02:02:18,420
Community is, is, you know, the old town.

1476
02:02:18,420 --> 02:02:26,160
Again, like I said earlier, is a historic neighborhood, and all the positive that we've heard from everybody about how economic development is a driver.

1477
02:02:26,460 --> 02:02:34,920
It's doing all these wonderful things in agreement, but what about the residents that have to live there?

1478
02:02:35,180 --> 02:02:46,360
So I guess my question to you is, is an amendment that says that you would adhere to the stipulations that you made with the community.

1479
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:54,580
Are you amenable to that? Because I was told that you're amenable to the agreement. I think I received any mail from you and you guys had some agreements.

1480
02:02:55,420 --> 02:03:05,220
Can we have the staff be creative and figure out a way how to say that you know you're committed to you know the neighborhood you're going to move into a historic neighborhood.

1481
02:03:05,740 --> 02:03:15,000
And that you're committed to those agreements, not additional ones, but the agreements that you discussed with the neighbors who live adjacent to it.

1482
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:21,260
Madam President, members of the council, we did have the discussion, I think we had a very

1483
02:03:21,260 --> 02:03:22,000
cordial discussion.

1484
02:03:22,220 --> 02:03:32,560
It was very productive and without getting into quasi-traditional items, we agreed to make

1485
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:43,940
things look better and we also talked about what can't be done, which allows us to do economic

1486
02:03:43,940 --> 02:03:48,240
the sick scale and really to make an affordable hotel,

1487
02:03:48,440 --> 02:03:51,000
we've got to do certain things in our process.

1488
02:03:51,940 --> 02:03:55,100
This, as Monica Mitchell said,

1489
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:58,920
we do comply to the current zoning planning,

1490
02:03:59,220 --> 02:04:02,440
ideal, historic, old, or lay in this area.

1491
02:04:02,760 --> 02:04:05,940
So we will do the best as we can to meet with the community,

1492
02:04:06,220 --> 02:04:09,320
we'll continue to meet with them and take their input.

1493
02:04:10,020 --> 02:04:13,460
And if recent progress is any indication,

1494
02:04:13,460 --> 02:04:22,740
We have been listening. We've changed a few things already and I've been sharing that with Senator Romalia as as the conversation goes on

1495
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:36,460
So Mr. Pesh, I would like to ask Commissioner, I mean Senator O'Malley would come down and and talk about those things and I think it's important because I received an email from you saying that you had some agreements

1496
02:04:36,460 --> 02:04:44,060
So I'm not saying to do an amendment outside of those things and so some of the things that you're mentioning now are you know

1497
02:04:44,060 --> 02:04:51,040
They're there words and the words, you know, don't really mean anything after this IRB is approved right

1498
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:59,880
So I'm just saying that it would be nice to know that the residents and you know and if anybody in here doesn't know

1499
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:10,340
Senator O'Malley really is a grassroots organizer who really was the leader in transforming the whole downtown area into what it is today.

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02:05:11,080 --> 02:05:20,380
And when she speaks and says that she has some things that wants to get addressed in order to do all the wonderful things that everybody wants an economic development and bring businesses.

1501
02:05:20,380 --> 02:05:23,100
I think we should probably listen.

1502
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:29,920
So I would just ask that if Senator Malie, there was some agreements that were made.

1503
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:31,160
I haven't any mail.

1504
02:05:31,240 --> 02:05:36,300
I don't know what they were, but I think that a Mr. DePesh year, the one that sent me the

1505
02:05:36,300 --> 02:05:36,540
email.

1506
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:42,420
So I would like to see if maybe staff can get creative and figure out an amendment on how we

1507
02:05:42,420 --> 02:05:46,600
can ensure that the community historic community can be protected.

1508
02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:50,260
So Senator Malie, if you can add to that.

1509
02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:52,380
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1510
02:05:53,400 --> 02:05:56,680
I do believe that we did have a good meetings.

1511
02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:57,360
We,

1512
02:05:59,540 --> 02:06:02,160
the Trust Board also met afterwards.

1513
02:06:03,820 --> 02:06:12,020
I believe that, you know, it was more of what can we do to affect, you know, as best we

1514
02:06:12,020 --> 02:06:14,340
can, right, to affect this development.

1515
02:06:14,340 --> 02:06:23,340
So that it's not as I guess we would say uptrusive in the sense that of its, you know,

1516
02:06:24,100 --> 02:06:28,800
size, et cetera. And I think that the developer listened to us.

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02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:34,560
I would think that there would be something we could do.

1518
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:40,980
I mean, I think that there are understandings that we have as we move forward.

1519
02:06:40,980 --> 02:06:47,720
of course, you know, as was mentioned, there is still that process that the developer has

1520
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:54,680
to go through, and that's the process as he goes toward the permitting process, so there was

1521
02:06:54,680 --> 02:07:00,060
some confusion about that, that this was actually a site plan that was approved, it was not,

1522
02:07:00,240 --> 02:07:03,820
it was just part of the IRB presentation.

1523
02:07:03,820 --> 02:07:20,700
I think, you know, it's been kind of frustrating, I think, and it's something I hope that the council will look into in terms of how this process plays out because it is more of a, you know, kind of a cart before the horse kind of thing.

1524
02:07:20,720 --> 02:07:28,660
And I understand that the developer was looking for a financial incentives because he saw that, you know, this project wouldn't pencil.

1525
02:07:28,660 --> 02:07:35,520
So I understand that. I guess the big issue for us was, again, and I'll repeat the same thing,

1526
02:07:36,360 --> 02:07:42,380
was, you know, the property is adjacent to single family housing and it's right there.

1527
02:07:42,860 --> 02:07:46,420
And also we, so that's one of the reasons, we did talk about it.

1528
02:07:46,440 --> 02:07:49,280
So that was good, and I think we have some understanding about that.

1529
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:51,800
And then the other issue, of course, was traffic.

1530
02:07:52,380 --> 02:07:55,780
And we were talking about a local street, which is 18th.

1531
02:07:55,780 --> 02:07:57,480
We have to look at the bigger area.

1532
02:07:57,640 --> 02:08:00,560
We did talk with our counselor, walking back about it.

1533
02:08:00,720 --> 02:08:03,520
We have to look at the area around traffic mobility,

1534
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:06,080
pedestrian access, et cetera.

1535
02:08:06,140 --> 02:08:10,080
This is getting to a point where it's getting pretty dangerous.

1536
02:08:10,640 --> 02:08:13,060
And so that was a big issue for the trust as well,

1537
02:08:13,260 --> 02:08:17,900
because there's what over 250 people that live in the trust.

1538
02:08:18,500 --> 02:08:21,560
And we've been, as a trust, as you mentioned earlier,

1539
02:08:22,820 --> 02:08:29,380
We've been very, very careful and very considerate, I believe, as developers, as we move forward,

1540
02:08:29,660 --> 02:08:35,500
when we do development, we consider a lot of things, and we do consider character and those kinds of things,

1541
02:08:36,040 --> 02:08:38,600
and movement, and traffic, and things like that.

1542
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:41,520
And we're basically an island of affordability.

1543
02:08:41,900 --> 02:08:45,540
The sum of interest has developed permanently affordable housing.

1544
02:08:45,540 --> 02:08:50,040
The average price of the house when it goes to resell is about $150,000.

1545
02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:57,820
That's unheard of. And that's because we kept that, or that subsidies within that house.

1546
02:08:57,960 --> 02:09:02,300
And we want to make sure that we keep that going and that we support families within the area.

1547
02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:06,100
But it did come out that I'm sure that there's concern about children.

1548
02:09:06,100 --> 02:09:11,760
We have a lot of families there. So that said, you know, I certainly understand that we're

1549
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:17,860
a developer's perspective. His investment that he wants to make sure that he gets the highest, you know,

1550
02:09:17,860 --> 02:09:24,360
You saw that his investment. I certainly get that. But those were the concerns we had and, you know,

1551
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:29,880
all I can say is, you know, we had an understanding that somehow the amendments would reflect that.

1552
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:36,320
But apparently they cannot, so that's kind of where we are. I appreciate the, the.

1553
02:09:36,740 --> 02:09:42,940
So just to say that there was some agreements made, right? There was some understanding,

1554
02:09:42,940 --> 02:09:48,000
So then the developer is saying, see, this is the concern, right?

1555
02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:52,920
So you're looking, like you didn't agree to it because you don't have to,

1556
02:09:53,500 --> 02:09:55,860
if this thing passes without those amendments.

1557
02:09:56,360 --> 02:09:59,980
So I'm just saying that all the wonderful things about this...

1558
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:06,980
Project, which I agree, I'm not proposed to it. I'm just saying that how do we then ensure that those agreements

1559
02:10:06,980 --> 02:10:13,720
that aren't just words that are solidified in some type of language. So I don't know if we can actually

1560
02:10:13,720 --> 02:10:20,560
put in there, that you know, you have to, as the process goes on, you have to meet with the community

1561
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:29,980
and look through those stipulations or ideas that were made and be able to figure out how you

1562
02:10:29,980 --> 02:10:36,960
walk down this path together because when everyone leaves at night and goes home from their

1563
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:41,040
businesses and leaves the area, it's the neighborhood that's going to have to deal with

1564
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:46,820
what's there. So it's a big thing for me. I mean, I don't know whether I have votes or not votes,

1565
02:10:47,260 --> 02:10:53,460
but I think that it's important. So I'd like to turn to our staff to ask them, how do we get

1566
02:10:53,460 --> 02:10:58,700
the community's voice heard with this project moving forward.

1567
02:10:59,700 --> 02:11:01,100
And then I'll go to Councillor Pissant.

1568
02:11:04,540 --> 02:11:12,660
Madam President, I think, in terms of what we can do inside this IRB bill while still protecting

1569
02:11:13,470 --> 02:11:19,640
your ability to hear an appeal that may come before the Council in the separate site plan.

1570
02:11:19,960 --> 02:11:24,800
We will, I think, need to do some brainstorming on other ways to approach that.

1571
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:34,560
I will add, again, not to sound like a broken record, but a lot of these things can be captured in the separate site plan application.

1572
02:11:35,740 --> 02:11:36,880
And so that is one place.

1573
02:11:37,020 --> 02:11:42,840
I know that's not quite the answer that we're looking for, but that is one place where those things, those concerns, those agreements can be reflected.

1574
02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:54,420
But in terms of this bill tonight, we'll give some additional thought to what we can do to navigate around maintaining your ability to hear a QJ appeal.

1575
02:11:54,960 --> 02:12:00,060
Correct, and I understand that but the IRB will have already been given and we can't take it back

1576
02:12:00,060 --> 02:12:02,100
They decide they don't want to listen to the neighborhood

1577
02:12:02,100 --> 02:12:08,500
So Madam President in that case there the other option would be a deferral while the site plan runs its course

1578
02:12:09,500 --> 02:12:17,320
So that the QJ side separately has been resolved before the council has asked to vote on the funding piece

1579
02:12:17,320 --> 02:12:21,880
Which I know there's new ones is another pitfalls to that approach as well

1580
02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:26,160
that just so. And I think I forgot about the challenge on the developer while he's trying

1581
02:12:26,160 --> 02:12:31,860
to go through the process. And yeah. So our city is trying to get like to hear from you

1582
02:12:31,860 --> 02:12:33,020
and then Councilperson.

1583
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:42,880
Council Chair, Madam Chair, sorry. I think it's going to be very difficult

1584
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:50,920
to come up with language that is going to address the concerns of the community, what level of

1585
02:12:50,920 --> 02:12:58,860
language agreement that they come to without putting it in language into the IRB, when without

1586
02:12:58,860 --> 02:13:04,300
running the risk of the challenges we've been talking about all night if there is a appeal

1587
02:13:04,300 --> 02:13:12,540
and becomes quasi-judicial. So I'm happy to work with Julie and Victor and see if we can come

1588
02:13:12,540 --> 02:13:17,720
up with something but I do think it's going to be challenging to meet the kind of the criteria

1589
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:20,940
and the threshold that you guys are looking for

1590
02:13:20,940 --> 02:13:24,740
without running the risk of being problematic down the road?

1591
02:13:26,820 --> 02:13:28,720
Well, thank you.

1592
02:13:29,060 --> 02:13:32,060
And I mean, this is really a difficult situation, right?

1593
02:13:32,200 --> 02:13:34,560
I mean, I think the hotel's cool.

1594
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:36,840
I feel really bad for the neighborhoods

1595
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:38,760
that they don't have any assurements,

1596
02:13:39,740 --> 02:13:41,360
but anyway, Councillor Pissant.

1597
02:13:43,140 --> 02:13:47,640
Madam President, I think that I feel like at least

1598
02:13:47,640 --> 02:13:51,780
I'm sitting in a different universe tonight when it comes to these.

1599
02:13:53,660 --> 02:13:59,700
If we want to improve our bookarchy, and we want people to invest in our bookarchy, and we want people to come here,

1600
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:06,740
and we want tourism, and we want business, and we want to reduce crime, and we want to increase affordability,

1601
02:14:06,820 --> 02:14:09,120
and we want all of these things.

1602
02:14:09,120 --> 02:14:12,280
we sure also seem to want to make it

1603
02:14:13,160 --> 02:14:16,720
excruciatingly difficult for businesses and developers

1604
02:14:16,720 --> 02:14:18,940
to want to even try.

1605
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:22,940
This site plan, and I would like to ask our staff on this,

1606
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:27,340
to kind of roll down a little bit of the process,

1607
02:14:27,660 --> 02:14:29,760
because I think we're talking about two different things.

1608
02:14:30,040 --> 02:14:33,720
If we don't incentivize certain larger projects,

1609
02:14:34,120 --> 02:14:34,880
they're not going to happen.

1610
02:14:35,020 --> 02:14:36,120
We're going to have a vacant building

1611
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:38,100
on a vacant piece of property that causes

1612
02:14:38,100 --> 02:14:40,300
the whole other problem that we've been facing.

1613
02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:44,380
And if we incentivize, then there's still the planning process.

1614
02:14:44,540 --> 02:14:46,280
And this is what I want confirmation on,

1615
02:14:46,280 --> 02:14:47,840
whether it's from this one's with more,

1616
02:14:48,100 --> 02:14:50,860
whether it's from our staff, or whoever that means to be.

1617
02:14:51,180 --> 02:14:54,560
But if we don't incentivize through some of something

1618
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:57,580
like an IRB, developers aren't even going to try.

1619
02:14:57,820 --> 02:14:59,980
If they try and we give them the IRB.

1620
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,360
I believe also Mr. Mayor had a question for you to please confirm. Isn't it in here that if the developer

1621
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:14,340
doesn't deliver on certain commitments, then they don't get all of the benefit. And I would like to hear,

1622
02:15:14,620 --> 02:15:22,120
I mean, I read it, I get it, but I want to hear, in an IRB, Mr. Mayor had, isn't it true that there are certain

1623
02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:28,880
requirements that the developer must follow through on in order to qualify and keep any of this incentive?

1624
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:42,360
Madam President, Councilperson, yes, there are things in the lease agreement after the IRB closes which puts requirements on the developer to enjoy the city's benefit and the incentive you mentioned for the full 20 years.

1625
02:15:42,760 --> 02:15:49,960
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So that prevents what I'm going to coin as a bait and switch as far as the IRB is concerned.

1626
02:15:49,960 --> 02:16:09,000
When it comes to the site plan and the details that I think we've heard it multiple times so far, there's been conversation, there's been it sounds to me like maybe there's been some willingness on certain things on unwillingness because of probably because of very valid reasons on both sides.

1627
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:13,080
But at the same time is there not and so I guess Ms. Rens Whitmore.

1628
02:16:13,960 --> 02:16:17,960
Just so I can get our staff off the hook because we've gone in a few circles on this but

1629
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:23,040
Can you please confirm when this site plan is getting approved?

1630
02:16:24,020 --> 02:16:27,220
One, will it eventually come before the council,

1631
02:16:27,640 --> 02:16:29,680
especially if there's a problem or disagreement?

1632
02:16:34,730 --> 02:16:36,330
Madam President, Councillor Vassan,

1633
02:16:36,690 --> 02:16:39,170
so a site plan won't come before you for approval,

1634
02:16:39,470 --> 02:16:42,130
but if an approval gets appealed, it will come before you.

1635
02:16:42,270 --> 02:16:44,930
So if there's a problem, then it will come before us.

1636
02:16:45,450 --> 02:16:49,670
If the problem is that there's a disagreement in any of this

1637
02:16:49,670 --> 02:16:54,590
and the developer or the community have not linked together and there's a problem.

1638
02:16:54,710 --> 02:16:55,410
There's a problem.

1639
02:16:55,630 --> 02:16:56,530
It will come before the council.

1640
02:16:57,330 --> 02:17:03,070
The site plan does does that process for everybody watching have a community engagement process

1641
02:17:03,070 --> 02:17:09,810
where there is going to be the cross-teas and the eyes dotted for at least making sure

1642
02:17:09,810 --> 02:17:12,050
to deliver what this is going to look like.

1643
02:17:12,250 --> 02:17:17,870
What this will be have the community express their concerns and then potentially have an agreement

1644
02:17:17,870 --> 02:17:20,270
or not, or an appeal that comes before the council?

1645
02:17:20,850 --> 02:17:25,050
Madam President, Councillor Gassan, are you asking about the site plan approval process?

1646
02:17:25,770 --> 02:17:31,150
Yeah, well, I'm asking if a site plan in the process to even just get the site plan approved?

1647
02:17:31,470 --> 02:17:33,050
Is there any community involvement?

1648
02:17:34,430 --> 02:17:38,810
So, Madam President, Councillor Gassan, the site plan would be approved administratively.

1649
02:17:38,930 --> 02:17:42,830
There would be notice that goes out to the neighborhood association and a sign on the property.

1650
02:17:42,830 --> 02:17:48,750
of people could send their comments, check the design, make sure it met any agreements that

1651
02:17:48,750 --> 02:17:50,270
were made privately between the parties.

1652
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:56,950
The site plan can absolutely reflect what that agreement was, what the city couldn't

1653
02:17:56,950 --> 02:18:03,310
do is put into the site plan approval that no change could ever be made or that a different

1654
02:18:03,310 --> 02:18:09,250
building height than what was allowed in the IDO that they could never maximize what's allowed

1655
02:18:09,250 --> 02:18:09,970
under the zoning.

1656
02:18:09,970 --> 02:18:14,850
So the site client can absolutely confirm the agreements, but it couldn't lock it in forever.

1657
02:18:15,450 --> 02:18:21,210
Right. Okay. And thank you. Because to me, I'm trying to get at, I think that the trust and the neighborhoods,

1658
02:18:21,890 --> 02:18:28,390
they have an ability to be able to get this in communication formally with the developer.

1659
02:18:28,610 --> 02:18:32,130
And the developer has an opportunity to formally respond.

1660
02:18:32,690 --> 02:18:39,510
And all of that can be wrapped up hopefully with a bow for everybody in order to do this.

1661
02:18:39,510 --> 02:18:46,670
But the point to me is that if we don't incentivize then we're not going to get this across the

1662
02:18:46,670 --> 02:18:50,870
finish line and by this I don't mean just this project. I mean a lot of them that come before

1663
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:57,370
the council in the city and respectfully I do think that old town is a gem but some would argue that

1664
02:18:57,790 --> 02:19:02,870
the open space is a gem and somewhere to argue that the foothills is a gem and there's other gems

1665
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:07,650
in the city so where do we draw the line on that if our process is broken which I'm not saying

1666
02:19:07,650 --> 02:19:12,110
It's not, then let's not take it out on this particular piece of legislation.

1667
02:19:12,130 --> 02:19:16,450
Let's take that out and fix the process, which we're all getting really good at wanting

1668
02:19:16,450 --> 02:19:16,930
to do.

1669
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:17,970
So let's do that.

1670
02:19:18,150 --> 02:19:24,970
Let's fix the process instead of taking it out on this potential applicant for something

1671
02:19:24,970 --> 02:19:29,370
that we've done recently for other areas of the city or we've done recently for the

1672
02:19:29,370 --> 02:19:30,630
same area of the city.

1673
02:19:30,970 --> 02:19:37,430
I just think that we are getting a little mixed up in some of what on other instances has

1674
02:19:37,430 --> 02:19:45,270
very simple. And on this one, I can suspect what my thoughts are as to what the hiccups are,

1675
02:19:45,590 --> 02:19:49,610
but I just don't think that that's fair and that that's the right way to govern.

1676
02:19:54,620 --> 02:19:56,140
Senator Mellie, you had your hand up.

1677
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,980
Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to say, you know, the reason

1678
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,980
And that we have focused on this one is, I think we're saying, oh, this whole area. Well, that whole area, depending on where the building is, is very different. And the reason that we looked at this particular one was the adjacency to single family housing, which is that lot that's a butts single family house. That's the reason we focused on it. And so, and also the other issue was concerned about about traffic.

1679
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:58,900
So that's why, and I don't want to, you know, and we'll look at the other IRBs, I think that I know that the ones that you all supported for Jim Long with Heritage Hotels, and I know that a lot of folks think, well, you know, let's be fair. After all, you've given Jim Long, but I do want to say something in defense of Jim Long and Heritage Hotels is that they did create the destination there.

1680
02:20:58,900 --> 02:21:08,220
So let's not slam them for asking for IRBs, and of course you have the right as a council to decide what conditions you put on the IRBs.

1681
02:21:08,220 --> 02:21:15,540
What we need to get straight now I think here is the right for you all to put a condition on an IRB.

1682
02:21:15,780 --> 02:21:22,960
It's my understanding that you can because you are making the financial commitment for something.

1683
02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:25,260
And you're right, it could end up or something

1684
02:21:25,260 --> 02:21:28,340
doesn't get billed or the site plan gets a field

1685
02:21:28,340 --> 02:21:29,620
or something like that can happen.

1686
02:21:29,620 --> 02:21:31,460
But you still have the right to do it.

1687
02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:34,640
And that seems to be very unclear with the council.

1688
02:21:34,980 --> 02:21:36,280
And so I have concerns about that.

1689
02:21:36,980 --> 02:21:38,320
But that's all I have to say.

1690
02:21:38,400 --> 02:21:40,640
And that's I just wanted to respond to that.

1691
02:21:40,820 --> 02:21:42,840
Mr. Depesh, if you wanted to add anything

1692
02:21:42,840 --> 02:21:45,540
to that, you're part of the walk up to since I

1693
02:21:45,540 --> 02:21:46,380
love her the time.

1694
02:21:47,640 --> 02:21:49,640
No, Madam Chair, I don't have anything else to add.

1695
02:21:50,540 --> 02:21:50,700
OK.

1696
02:21:50,700 --> 02:21:54,400
So I'll just end with, you know, I know what, um,

1697
02:21:54,980 --> 02:21:57,920
okay, I was still, I was still in my, yeah.

1698
02:21:58,460 --> 02:22:01,000
So I, I'll just, and you guys can have a, have a seat

1699
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:02,960
unless they have any additional questions of you,

1700
02:22:03,360 --> 02:22:05,880
but I just want to end by just saying that, um,

1701
02:22:05,880 --> 02:22:07,680
I agree with what Calcifus want to say.

1702
02:22:07,820 --> 02:22:09,420
And I mean, we do need economic development,

1703
02:22:09,660 --> 02:22:11,980
but just saying that we can do economic development

1704
02:22:11,980 --> 02:22:13,860
and just, you know, do all these IRBs

1705
02:22:14,280 --> 02:22:16,340
or all this stuff for development in the community

1706
02:22:16,340 --> 02:22:18,420
without taking into account neighborhoods

1707
02:22:18,420 --> 02:22:21,480
is really going in the wrong direction, right?

1708
02:22:21,720 --> 02:22:24,680
I mean, if you live in an underserved neighborhood zoning,

1709
02:22:25,500 --> 02:22:28,720
actually, the Narrow, the neighborhood recognition ordinance

1710
02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:33,920
really came into play, it came out of the civil rights movement,

1711
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:37,520
and it was the federal government's way of making sure

1712
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:40,400
that underserved neighborhoods had a voice

1713
02:22:40,400 --> 02:22:42,460
in planning and local government, right?

1714
02:22:42,880 --> 02:22:46,000
And now, even some of the underserved neighborhoods

1715
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:48,220
don't really have a voice like they should.

1716
02:22:48,220 --> 02:22:49,880
They don't have lawyers who are on their boards,

1717
02:22:49,980 --> 02:22:52,300
and don't have, you know, zoning people who are on their boards.

1718
02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:54,620
So some of what's happened with our neighborhood

1719
02:22:54,620 --> 02:22:56,980
and associations is some of what we talk about,

1720
02:22:57,020 --> 02:23:00,060
Naysayers, is some of the more fluid neighborhoods

1721
02:23:00,060 --> 02:23:02,080
that don't want, like us Starbucks and their neighborhood,

1722
02:23:02,200 --> 02:23:03,240
don't want all these other things.

1723
02:23:03,320 --> 02:23:06,340
I think we, as a body, need to look at that.

1724
02:23:06,460 --> 02:23:09,920
But when you're looking at marginalized communities,

1725
02:23:11,200 --> 02:23:14,360
historic communities, we really, really need to make sure

1726
02:23:14,360 --> 02:23:16,420
that the communities have a voice.

1727
02:23:16,420 --> 02:23:18,720
And I'll just end with that.

1728
02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:21,460
I mean, I don't think there's appetite for a two-week deferral.

1729
02:23:21,540 --> 02:23:23,620
I think everybody wants to vote on this.

1730
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:26,940
You know, I think it's unfortunate.

1731
02:23:27,100 --> 02:23:29,180
I think that I do understand the process

1732
02:23:29,180 --> 02:23:30,820
to give them both a side-to-side development plan,

1733
02:23:30,900 --> 02:23:32,820
but they'll have already gotten their IRB.

1734
02:23:33,280 --> 02:23:35,400
So I just think it's kind of backwards.

1735
02:23:35,960 --> 02:23:39,460
So Councillor Rogers, thank you, Madam President.

1736
02:23:39,460 --> 02:23:41,260
I just have a question from Mr. Meerhead.

1737
02:23:41,580 --> 02:23:44,300
Are there any, I'm looking through the packet

1738
02:23:44,300 --> 02:23:46,740
because we have to stick to it's in our record.

1739
02:23:48,900 --> 02:23:52,120
Are there any clawbacks in this actual agreement for the RB?

1740
02:23:52,240 --> 02:23:54,560
Usually for my RBs that I've sponsored,

1741
02:23:54,780 --> 02:23:56,880
I've gotten a copy of the actual agreement,

1742
02:23:58,020 --> 02:24:00,260
and I'm just seeing a summary in the packet.

1743
02:24:00,600 --> 02:24:04,220
So are there any clawbacks written in for instance,

1744
02:24:04,420 --> 02:24:06,720
there don't have any president to account for Roger.

1745
02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:08,860
Yes, it is consistent with other RBs,

1746
02:24:09,140 --> 02:24:11,980
is this one that if they fail to live up to the terms

1747
02:24:11,980 --> 02:24:16,840
that they are subject to clawbacks of some of the benefits that have been obtained.

1748
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:17,780
Can you talk?

1749
02:24:17,980 --> 02:24:18,620
Thank you, Madam President.

1750
02:24:18,960 --> 02:24:19,940
What are the clawbacks?

1751
02:24:20,020 --> 02:24:25,560
So it would depend on where in terms of what your agreements that you and I have worked

1752
02:24:25,560 --> 02:24:29,540
on and talked about are in the lead at context where their employment driven and so you see

1753
02:24:29,540 --> 02:24:30,400
clawbacks based on it.

1754
02:24:30,480 --> 02:24:34,980
They don't hit those employment targets or they don't stay in the community for 10 years

1755
02:24:34,980 --> 02:24:38,720
that they might suffer 50% reduction in 25% reduction.

1756
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:44,680
In the IRB context, it's a little bit different because they aren't driven by employment.

1757
02:24:44,840 --> 02:24:48,680
They're driven by the other economic development incentive or goals.

1758
02:24:49,440 --> 02:24:59,940
So if there were clawbacks, it would be drafted in a way that if they don't live up to the terms of it within any point during the agreement.

1759
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:06,300
They could be subject to clawbacks, and that could be negotiating with the company subject to everybody's approval.

1760
02:25:06,460 --> 02:25:11,220
But that absolutely is common that there would be clawbacks if they could have lived up to the terms of the deal.

1761
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:13,560
And they don't live up to their side at the bargain.

1762
02:25:14,540 --> 02:25:17,920
Thank you, Madam President. I'm just not seeing where they are in our record.

1763
02:25:18,400 --> 02:25:22,080
So there's no clawback from this one, the councillors think.

1764
02:25:22,960 --> 02:25:29,400
For this IRB, I'm getting conflicting answers from the sponsor and then from the news.

1765
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:30,540
I just want to clarify.

1766
02:25:31,380 --> 02:25:33,440
Yes, so Madam President, Councillor Rogers, yes.

1767
02:25:33,440 --> 02:25:38,120
So there is a standard form of lease agreement that is prepared and is available.

1768
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:43,760
And then in terms of the clawbacks, then in terms, when we move toward finalizing and closing

1769
02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:49,160
it, we can put those provisions in and again, in the IRB context, it is not as common

1770
02:25:49,160 --> 02:25:53,360
as in the lead, but given the discussion and everything that is happening, certainly would

1771
02:25:53,360 --> 02:25:57,760
be part of the discussion on behalf of the city that that is in there before this closing.

1772
02:25:57,980 --> 02:25:58,460
Yeah.

1773
02:25:58,460 --> 02:26:03,980
I think we're dealing with this right now with the state fair, right, community benefits.

1774
02:26:04,820 --> 02:26:09,780
And so we took an exploration trip to find out cities that have actually successfully done this.

1775
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:12,260
I'm not proposing we do what the county did here.

1776
02:26:13,060 --> 02:26:16,860
Because I think there's a fine line between making it being business,

1777
02:26:17,500 --> 02:26:25,840
customer service friendly to our business owners and making it extra hard for them as a fine line that I think we're pushing a little bit.

1778
02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:38,800
So I just, I would be interested in what that looked like here, because I think that would make folks more comfortable that, hey, if the developer, if we're giving them this amount of attacks break for this long 20 years.

1779
02:26:39,660 --> 02:26:45,940
That we want to see that there are some things we can do to if they don't meet those that we get our money back.

1780
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:50,360
And I think we're even dealing with this on some other things in the downtown area.

1781
02:26:51,440 --> 02:26:54,180
So just wanted to just offer that. Thank you, Madam President.

1782
02:26:57,460 --> 02:27:01,860
Seeing no other questions or comments, we're going to go to break after this, but don't

1783
02:27:01,860 --> 02:27:02,660
sir pocket a close.

1784
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:07,460
Thank you, Madam President, and this is gone all.

1785
02:27:07,460 --> 02:27:09,120
We're going to have to think past midnight again.

1786
02:27:09,340 --> 02:27:11,900
I'm going to vote against that again because we'll make that decisions that have been

1787
02:27:11,900 --> 02:27:12,340
night.

1788
02:27:14,240 --> 02:27:19,580
That's a, I think, you know, there are some serious concerns when you in certain parts of

1789
02:27:19,580 --> 02:27:23,300
our city that matter, you know, this is a historic neighborhood, there is some residential

1790
02:27:23,300 --> 02:27:28,560
there. There's also industrial mixed in there. So it's not cutting

1791
02:27:28,560 --> 02:27:33,280
try the way it is, but both parties man and good faith. They worked a lot. I'm

1792
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:38,280
disappointed we couldn't put something in written word to satisfy everybody. I

1793
02:27:38,280 --> 02:27:43,240
think that is disappointing. And so that leads us to trust. I mean, I have to

1794
02:27:43,240 --> 02:27:48,440
trust that folks are going to do the right thing. If this was a

1795
02:27:48,440 --> 02:27:54,460
to stay. I'd be like no way. I don't trust anybody. Mr. DePesh though, actually from Albuquerque

1796
02:27:54,460 --> 02:28:02,540
and as multiple businesses here, he's not leaving. And I hopefully, this process, we fix this

1797
02:28:02,540 --> 02:28:07,480
process, the therapy process for sure. And there's some serious concerns in terms of traffic.

1798
02:28:07,980 --> 02:28:12,560
I hope the administration prioritizes the roads that we want to get in there. And the larger

1799
02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:18,800
study that we're going to do to help out because there's a lot going on over there right now.

1800
02:28:19,340 --> 02:28:24,980
So all that said I'm going to trust and I've seen all the work that everyone's put into this

1801
02:28:24,980 --> 02:28:26,380
and so I urge everyone support.

1802
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:35,840
So there's a motion in the second for a due pass of 030 or 038

1803
02:28:35,840 --> 02:28:43,900
as amended once, all those in favor raise your hand and say yes, opposed no. Motion carries

1804
02:28:43,900 --> 02:28:50,900
on an eight one. Thank you. So we're now going to go to break and we'll return at eight o'clock.

1805
02:31:14,380 --> 02:31:19,740
All right, guys, we're back from dinner, and as you can see, things have changed a little bit.

1806
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:35,120
So we're back in final instruments, and we are going to be going to, so I'll get my proper paperwork in order, because I feel really cool being in the official seats.

1807
02:31:39,080 --> 02:31:40,820
We are on 052.

1808
02:31:47,340 --> 02:31:48,520
Oh, we're not on 052.

1809
02:31:52,310 --> 02:31:53,330
It's a sign.

1810
02:31:53,330 --> 02:31:53,870
I think

1811
02:32:15,530 --> 02:32:18,410
that's used to separate it, push it out, right now.

1812
02:32:24,640 --> 02:32:24,680
Okay.

1813
02:32:25,960 --> 02:32:26,360
There we go.

1814
02:32:28,780 --> 02:32:29,860
All right, financial instruments.

1815
02:32:30,940 --> 02:32:32,260
Let it be, Councillor Bassong.

1816
02:32:33,480 --> 02:32:37,740
Mr. Vice President, oh 52, approving a project involving its secure and incorporated

1817
02:32:37,740 --> 02:32:41,200
pursuant to the local economic development act in city ordinance.

1818
02:32:41,940 --> 02:32:52,520
F-S-O-410, the city's implementing legislation for that act, and to support the expansion of secure and

1819
02:32:52,520 --> 02:32:53,780
but you pass.

1820
02:32:53,880 --> 02:32:56,100
Motion is a new pass and seconded by

1821
02:32:56,100 --> 02:32:59,040
community the whole Council of Grout.

1822
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:00,180
Council is any questions?

1823
02:33:00,980 --> 02:33:02,780
Mr. Vice President, I may open.

1824
02:33:03,400 --> 02:33:03,820
Yes, I apologize.

1825
02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:07,680
Mr. Vice President, I know that WD Director Monica Mitchell is here

1826
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:11,120
and since she's here for her big glory tonight,

1827
02:33:11,280 --> 02:33:12,180
she's going to be busy.

1828
02:33:12,420 --> 02:33:14,940
I'd love for her to go ahead and do her open.

1829
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:19,680
Thank you, Madam President and city counselors.

1830
02:33:20,280 --> 02:33:22,280
Today I'm proud to present that proposed

1831
02:33:22,280 --> 02:33:28,900
lead a project for secure and rapidly growing Albuquerque Cyber Security Company that protects

1832
02:33:28,900 --> 02:33:34,640
organizations around the world through vulnerability, intelligence, and attacks, surface management.

1833
02:33:35,600 --> 02:33:40,680
Securing is exactly the kind of homegrown company we want to retain, grow, and celebrate.

1834
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:48,340
Cyber Security is essentially a nearly every modern industry and demands for these skills

1835
02:33:48,340 --> 02:33:53,620
will only continue to grow. This project gives Albuquerque an opportunity to strengthen our

1836
02:33:53,620 --> 02:33:59,560
high value technology sector creating well-paying careers and demonstrate the innovative

1837
02:33:59,560 --> 02:34:06,560
companies can start here, scale here, and compete globally. So Karen has chosen to remain

1838
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:11,740
and expand an Albuquerque because of our growing technology ecosystem, skilled workforce

1839
02:34:12,540 --> 02:34:18,000
and research institutions and collaborative business environment. The company plans to recruit

1840
02:34:18,000 --> 02:34:19,880
locally through partnerships with New Mexico

1841
02:34:19,880 --> 02:34:22,940
universities, community colleges, workforce,

1842
02:34:23,720 --> 02:34:26,300
organizations, and professional networks helping us

1843
02:34:26,300 --> 02:34:28,360
build a sustainable cybersecurity

1844
02:34:28,360 --> 02:34:31,280
talent pipeline right here in New Mexico.

1845
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:35,300
The company plans approximately 1 million in

1846
02:34:35,300 --> 02:34:38,720
private investment and relocate to

1847
02:34:38,720 --> 02:34:42,400
approximately 13,000 square facility at 881

1848
02:34:42,400 --> 02:34:43,460
horizon boulevard.

1849
02:34:43,460 --> 02:34:47,760
The proposed city lead-a investment is $100,000,

1850
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:51,820
alongside $250,000 in state lead-a funds.

1851
02:34:52,580 --> 02:34:55,480
The in return secure and has a binding commitment

1852
02:34:55,480 --> 02:34:58,640
to create 44 new jobs over 10 years.

1853
02:34:58,640 --> 02:34:59,980
Most important.

1854
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:07,240
Currently, this is a performance-based investment. The fiscal analysis projects that this city will

1855
02:35:07,240 --> 02:35:14,440
recoup its investment within the required tenure period with an estimated 689,000 in net fiscal benefit.

1856
02:35:15,220 --> 02:35:21,880
The project is also expected to generate approximately 62.7 million in economic impact.

1857
02:35:21,880 --> 02:35:30,020
Securing is homegrown, globally competitive, and positioned as an industry critical to our economic

1858
02:35:30,020 --> 02:35:30,460
future.

1859
02:35:31,060 --> 02:35:37,100
This is an opportunity to keep a successful Albuquerque company here, support quality, technology

1860
02:35:37,100 --> 02:35:39,620
careers, and strengthen our local talent pipeline.

1861
02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:46,040
For this reason, staff recommends approval of the Secure and Lead a Project.

1862
02:35:46,380 --> 02:35:50,560
I would now like to invite Frankie or Macio, or Senior Economic Developer to present the staff

1863
02:35:50,560 --> 02:36:02,760
Before you go on to that next part, I understand that whoever put up a sign is trying to express something in the concern being brought, but signs are not allowed within council chambers.

1864
02:36:02,980 --> 02:36:05,600
Would you please take it down? Thank you very much.

1865
02:36:13,180 --> 02:36:20,120
Thank you, Madam President and City Councillors for the opportunity to present this economic development project.

1866
02:36:20,120 --> 02:36:20,560
Project.

1867
02:36:21,260 --> 02:36:28,620
Security incorporated includes approximately $1 million in a private investment for their headquarters

1868
02:36:28,620 --> 02:36:34,160
that were formerly in uptown moving to 8801 Horizon Boulevard.

1869
02:36:34,680 --> 02:36:40,460
The facility is zoned MXM and the proposed use is permitted by that right.

1870
02:36:41,060 --> 02:36:43,980
The utility has been noted as unremarkable.

1871
02:36:43,980 --> 02:36:53,100
In return for this $1,000,000 private investment, the city is contributing $100,000 and the state

1872
02:36:53,100 --> 02:36:53,940
$250.

1873
02:36:56,330 --> 02:37:01,790
The economic impact analysis projects the city's investment is going to will be recovered

1874
02:37:01,790 --> 02:37:04,210
well within the required 10-year period.

1875
02:37:04,850 --> 02:37:12,610
As such, 026-52 is a qualified project as defined by the state's local economic development

1876
02:37:12,610 --> 02:37:18,990
Act and the cities enabling legislation and based on the above findings, staff recommends

1877
02:37:18,990 --> 02:37:24,410
approval of 02652 as proposed in the project plan application.

1878
02:37:25,510 --> 02:37:31,010
I'd now like to introduce Land Romano of Economic Development New Mexico to speak on behalf

1879
02:37:31,010 --> 02:37:32,630
of the state's support.

1880
02:37:37,820 --> 02:37:40,340
Thank you, Madam President, Members of the Council.

1881
02:37:40,340 --> 02:37:52,780
My name is Len Romano, and I'm with New Mexico Economic Development, and I've also owned a business in downtown Albuquerque for close to 30 years.

1882
02:37:54,840 --> 02:37:59,000
We're very pleased to support Securians continue growth here in Albuquerque.

1883
02:38:00,340 --> 02:38:10,280
And Albuquerque is rapidly becoming a hub for industries like aerospace and defense, advanced energy, quantum technology and advanced computing.

1884
02:38:11,260 --> 02:38:16,620
And with that growth, we see more high quality jobs and career opportunities being created

1885
02:38:16,620 --> 02:38:17,900
right here.

1886
02:38:18,600 --> 02:38:22,740
And that's exciting because it wasn't so long ago that many of our young people felt

1887
02:38:22,740 --> 02:38:27,240
they had to leave New Mexico to pursue careers in these fields.

1888
02:38:28,020 --> 02:38:32,960
So, homegrown technology companies like secure in a part of that changing story.

1889
02:38:32,960 --> 02:38:43,140
The state is proud to support secureings expansion with $250,000 in leader funding, alongside

1890
02:38:43,140 --> 02:38:49,600
approximately $1 million of their own private investment and a commitment to create

1891
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:53,620
44 new high-quality jobs here in Albuquerque.

1892
02:38:55,320 --> 02:39:02,160
We appreciate secureings continued commitment to our community and we appreciate the city's

1893
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:04,880
partnership in helping companies like this grow here.

1894
02:39:06,160 --> 02:39:08,440
So on behalf of New Mexico Economic Development,

1895
02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:11,780
I respectfully ask the Council to support

1896
02:39:12,820 --> 02:39:15,120
0-26-52.

1897
02:39:16,100 --> 02:39:16,780
Thank you, Peter.

1898
02:39:20,070 --> 02:39:21,810
One second, I do apologize for the interruption.

1899
02:39:21,850 --> 02:39:23,470
The person who is behind with the sign,

1900
02:39:23,610 --> 02:39:25,070
I understand what you're trying to do.

1901
02:39:25,230 --> 02:39:27,570
If you took the sign down and I really appreciate that.

1902
02:39:28,030 --> 02:39:30,810
But by you holding it up so that the camera can see it

1903
02:39:30,810 --> 02:39:32,570
is no different than you putting it on the pole.

1904
02:39:33,150 --> 02:39:33,490
So again,

1905
02:39:33,490 --> 02:39:36,390
put the sign away, or I will ask you to leave,

1906
02:39:38,620 --> 02:39:41,000
and the same that goes for the one behind it.

1907
02:39:45,890 --> 02:39:51,690
Sir, I can't see who it is, take the sign down, or I will ask you to leave.

1908
02:39:53,420 --> 02:39:58,480
I'm talking to anybody who has a sign that seems to want to put it up, so that the camera can see it.

1909
02:39:58,600 --> 02:39:59,680
It violates the rules.

1910
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:08,420
Please, don't, I don't want to have to, but I will. Again, I apologize for the interruptions. Please continue.

1911
02:40:09,040 --> 02:40:16,880
Thank you, Vice President Champine. I love, now I would like to introduce Jennifer Littlefield. She's the chief financial officer for securing incorporated.

1912
02:40:17,660 --> 02:40:20,800
And she can share more about her project and stand for any questions.

1913
02:40:23,020 --> 02:40:24,180
That's really me too, guys.

1914
02:40:24,480 --> 02:40:25,020
That's the city council.

1915
02:40:25,800 --> 02:40:27,620
So I'm the Chief Financial Officer for securing.

1916
02:40:28,180 --> 02:40:29,340
I'd like to also kind of add.

1917
02:40:29,440 --> 02:40:30,620
They did a great job of presenting us.

1918
02:40:30,660 --> 02:40:31,600
I really don't have too much to add.

1919
02:40:32,120 --> 02:40:34,900
But we are going on our five year anniversary in New

1920
02:40:34,900 --> 02:40:36,000
Xcode this week alone.

1921
02:40:36,180 --> 02:40:37,640
So this is a very exciting for us again.

1922
02:40:38,020 --> 02:40:38,960
We've been home grocery.

1923
02:40:39,200 --> 02:40:39,360
This is beginning.

1924
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:43,420
This is not the first company that the CEO has also opened

1925
02:40:43,420 --> 02:40:43,740
here.

1926
02:40:43,880 --> 02:40:46,360
He opened another cybersecurity company that was around

1927
02:40:46,360 --> 02:40:49,280
for 10 years before they were acquired by another company.

1928
02:40:49,280 --> 02:40:50,580
He decided to start all over again.

1929
02:40:50,580 --> 02:40:54,180
We do love this community very much and we're happy here in New Mexico and in Albuquerque.

1930
02:40:55,120 --> 02:40:58,540
We work really closely with the universities and we have an internship program so we're

1931
02:40:58,540 --> 02:41:02,080
trying to try to build them from the very ground up to ensure that we keep those candidates here.

1932
02:41:02,400 --> 02:41:05,820
So 44 is what we're hiring a full-time but that is not include our intern candidates.

1933
02:41:06,940 --> 02:41:09,440
We have about 18 of those currently and we hope to expand it.

1934
02:41:10,360 --> 02:41:11,600
Thank you. We got to do you have any questions?

1935
02:41:15,520 --> 02:41:16,980
Councillors, do we have any questions?

1936
02:41:19,390 --> 02:41:20,270
Councillor TAYS.

1937
02:41:21,410 --> 02:41:22,010
Thank you.

1938
02:41:22,990 --> 02:41:23,930
President, Vice President.

1939
02:41:24,450 --> 02:41:25,870
President, for now.

1940
02:41:26,690 --> 02:41:26,810
Champagne.

1941
02:41:27,950 --> 02:41:29,050
I just have a question.

1942
02:41:29,230 --> 02:41:31,030
I'm glad that you have interns.

1943
02:41:31,110 --> 02:41:32,550
Are those paid internship positions?

1944
02:41:32,590 --> 02:41:32,910
Yes.

1945
02:41:33,190 --> 02:41:34,190
All of them 100% paid.

1946
02:41:37,150 --> 02:41:38,990
And we have about a 75% conversion rate.

1947
02:41:39,070 --> 02:41:40,010
So there's ones that we have.

1948
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:40,690
We convert them.

1949
02:41:40,890 --> 02:41:41,150
Let's see.

1950
02:41:41,290 --> 02:41:42,270
Leave us sometimes it's by their choice.

1951
02:41:45,910 --> 02:41:46,350
Perfect.

1952
02:41:46,530 --> 02:41:46,850
Thank you.

1953
02:41:47,950 --> 02:41:48,530
Anything else?

1954
02:41:52,630 --> 02:41:53,190
I

1955
02:41:56,780 --> 02:41:59,540
don't think we have to take, she's not here and nobody's online.

1956
02:41:59,860 --> 02:42:03,620
So all those in favor of 052 raise your hand and say yes.

1957
02:42:04,580 --> 02:42:05,300
Any opposed?

1958
02:42:06,960 --> 02:42:08,080
Seeing none.

1959
02:42:08,820 --> 02:42:10,420
I'm going to see.

1960
02:42:11,660 --> 02:42:12,140
Councilperson.

1961
02:42:12,660 --> 02:42:18,000
Mr. Vice President of 053 approving a project involving quantum quantum new.

1962
02:42:18,700 --> 02:42:20,160
Say that three times fast.

1963
02:42:21,160 --> 02:42:21,420
Sorry.

1964
02:42:22,480 --> 02:42:28,460
Continuum LLC, pursuant to the local economic development act and city ordinance, FSO4,

1965
02:42:28,460 --> 02:42:32,140
10, the city's implementing legislation for that act to support the acquisition construction

1966
02:42:32,140 --> 02:42:38,740
and improvement of a facility for a quantum computing facility with photo-tonics, photonics,

1967
02:42:38,980 --> 02:42:41,900
and ion-trapping labs to be located in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

1968
02:42:42,100 --> 02:42:42,880
I move a due pass.

1969
02:42:44,060 --> 02:42:50,700
So we have a motion for a new pass on no 53 second by committee of the whole route.

1970
02:42:51,340 --> 02:42:52,500
Councilperson for opening.

1971
02:42:53,020 --> 02:42:57,660
Mr. Vice President, I would like to invite Deputy Director Mitchell up to open.

1972
02:42:59,920 --> 02:43:02,200
Sure. Thank you.

1973
02:43:02,300 --> 02:43:04,440
Thank you, Vice President City Councillors.

1974
02:43:06,060 --> 02:43:10,620
Today, I'm proud to present a continuum, one of the world's leading quantum computing companies,

1975
02:43:10,620 --> 02:43:14,560
and exactly the kind of global significant technology company Albuquerque

1976
02:43:14,560 --> 02:43:16,440
should be competing for.

1977
02:43:16,640 --> 02:43:19,940
Quantum technology is not simply another emerging industry.

1978
02:43:20,560 --> 02:43:23,860
It will help shape the future of computing, national security,

1979
02:43:24,320 --> 02:43:26,980
scientific discovery, and advanced manufacturing.

1980
02:43:27,760 --> 02:43:31,920
This project gives Albuquerque an opportunity to turn new Mexico's world-class

1981
02:43:31,920 --> 02:43:37,420
research strengths into high-wage careers, private investment, and long-term economic growth.

1982
02:43:37,420 --> 02:43:44,320
Continuum shows Albuquerque because very few communities can match the concentration of

1983
02:43:44,320 --> 02:43:47,600
quantum expertise we already have.

1984
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:52,100
Sandia National Laboratories, Los Alamos National Laboratories, the University of New

1985
02:43:52,100 --> 02:43:58,460
Mexico, CNN, and our growing private sector ecosystem provide access to exceptional research,

1986
02:43:58,760 --> 02:44:00,080
partners, and talent.

1987
02:44:01,560 --> 02:44:05,860
And importantly, this project is also about creating opportunities for Albuquerque residents.

1988
02:44:05,860 --> 02:44:10,740
This continuum is working with Central New Mexico Community College and its quantum technical

1989
02:44:10,740 --> 02:44:16,080
technician bootcamp to build a local workforce pipeline, creating an accessible pathway

1990
02:44:16,080 --> 02:44:21,480
for residents to enter this emerging industry and pursue high-paying careers.

1991
02:44:22,620 --> 02:44:30,360
The economic investment is significant, continuum pays, plans to invest approximately 32.5 million

1992
02:44:30,360 --> 02:44:38,440
and establish a 13,263-square-foot research and development center at 5501 Wilshire

1993
02:44:38,440 --> 02:44:39,280
Avenue, Northeast.

1994
02:44:40,640 --> 02:44:49,280
The project is expected to create 25 new high-wage jobs with a salary and with a salary

1995
02:44:49,280 --> 02:44:54,720
spend of approximately 4 million in the first three years alone and generate approximately

1996
02:44:54,720 --> 02:44:59,420
the 80, 6.4 million in economic impact over 10 year period.

1997
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,140
The proposed lead a package is 1.5 million split evenly between the city and the state, leveraging more than 32 million in private investment.

1998
02:45:08,980 --> 02:45:21,040
The city's independent fiscal analysis projects approximately 480,000 net benefit and 1 million estimated city payback within the required 10 year period.

1999
02:45:21,040 --> 02:45:30,340
The project brings global credibility to our quantum ecosystem creates exceptional career opportunities

2000
02:45:30,340 --> 02:45:33,700
and converts our research strengths into private sector growth.

2001
02:45:34,700 --> 02:45:38,820
It gives Albuquerque the opportunity to help define the future of an industry in which

2002
02:45:38,820 --> 02:45:42,140
New Mexico already has a genuine competitive advantage.

2003
02:45:43,020 --> 02:45:47,160
For these reasons, staff recommends approval of the Continuum Lead Up Project.

2004
02:45:47,160 --> 02:45:51,600
I would now like to invite Frankie and Maseo Senior Economic Developer to present the

2005
02:45:51,600 --> 02:45:52,220
deaf analysis.

2006
02:45:53,300 --> 02:45:54,080
Thank you.

2007
02:45:57,260 --> 02:46:00,020
Hello again, Vice President Champagne and City Counselors.

2008
02:46:00,380 --> 02:46:01,040
Thank you.

2009
02:46:01,740 --> 02:46:08,640
Quantinium is proposing to establish a 13,000 square foot research and development center.

2010
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:13,320
It will be located at 55-01, Wilshire Avenue, Northeast.

2011
02:46:13,320 --> 02:46:20,740
The facility is owned non-residential, light manufacturing, and the proposed research and development

2012
02:46:20,740 --> 02:46:29,100
use is permitted under the current zoning, and based upon a July 20, 20, 20, 26, email with ABC,

2013
02:46:29,500 --> 02:46:35,740
the Water Authority, it was determined that the water requirement for their facility will be unremarkable

2014
02:46:35,740 --> 02:46:43,200
for its use. This project represents approximately 32-line and private investment. The economic

2015
02:46:43,200 --> 02:46:51,180
impact analysis in your packet, identify as approximately 2.3.24 million in total estimated

2016
02:46:51,180 --> 02:46:56,820
incentives, because it incorporates a broader incentive assumption associated with

2017
02:46:56,820 --> 02:47:00,020
continuums discussions with the state of New Mexico.

2018
02:47:00,680 --> 02:47:06,820
The city's action under this ordinance is limited to the 1.5 million package for

2019
02:47:06,820 --> 02:47:11,680
data and the commitments established under the Project Participation Agreement.

2020
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:20,020
In return, Continuum will create 25 new high-wage full-time jobs, which the company anticipates

2021
02:47:20,020 --> 02:47:22,520
currently creating by 2028.

2022
02:47:23,280 --> 02:47:30,860
The Project Participation Agreement establishes a date of December 31st, 2036 as the final

2023
02:47:30,860 --> 02:47:35,860
determination date, because Lita permits a performance period for up to 10 years.

2024
02:47:35,860 --> 02:47:41,700
That contractual deadline does not replace the company's projected hiring schedule.

2025
02:47:42,100 --> 02:47:47,360
It establishes only the enforceable period for the monitoring compliance and applying

2026
02:47:47,360 --> 02:47:48,580
performance remedies.

2027
02:47:49,860 --> 02:47:58,440
If necessary, the economic impact analysis also estimates 36 indirect and induced jobs and approximately

2028
02:47:58,440 --> 02:48:02,700
100 construction jobs during the project's development.

2029
02:48:03,720 --> 02:48:12,600
The economic impact also projects 86.4 million in total economic impact over 10 years.

2030
02:48:12,920 --> 02:48:18,900
And the city's investment will be recooked well within the required 10-year lead evaluation period.

2031
02:48:20,480 --> 02:48:26,100
O2653 is a qualified project as defined by the State Local Economic Development Act,

2032
02:48:26,100 --> 02:48:35,260
And the city is in every legislation, and based upon the above findings, the staff recommends approval of 026-53.

2033
02:48:36,040 --> 02:48:43,780
At this time, I would now like to introduce Beth Waldrip of Economic Development New Mexico to speak on behalf of the State's incentive.

2034
02:48:45,580 --> 02:48:48,520
getting the Madam Chair and Counselors.

2035
02:48:49,560 --> 02:48:50,400
I am Beth Walgaret.

2036
02:48:50,580 --> 02:48:53,480
I am one of two regional representatives representing

2037
02:48:53,480 --> 02:48:55,320
Burnley-Avelins in Tornst County,

2038
02:48:55,500 --> 02:48:57,260
and the Greater Albuquerque Metro Area.

2039
02:48:58,260 --> 02:49:01,500
Quantum Union is an internationally known

2040
02:49:01,500 --> 02:49:02,920
Quantum Computing Company.

2041
02:49:03,860 --> 02:49:08,500
They're choosing Albuquerque to set up their R&D facility,

2042
02:49:08,920 --> 02:49:13,520
solidifies our presence as an international leader

2043
02:49:13,520 --> 02:49:15,540
and photonics and quantum computing.

2044
02:49:16,320 --> 02:49:21,480
This is a very high importance to the state economic development department.

2045
02:49:22,260 --> 02:49:31,200
They're creating 25 jobs all over $100,000 in salary with an average salary of $155,000.

2046
02:49:32,260 --> 02:49:35,220
The state's pledging $500,000 in Lita.

2047
02:49:35,760 --> 02:49:39,160
And we respectfully request your support of this ordinance.

2048
02:49:40,220 --> 02:49:42,580
So you can be the fiscal agent for that.

2049
02:49:42,580 --> 02:49:44,500
Thank you.

2050
02:49:46,540 --> 02:49:47,540
Thank you.

2051
02:49:47,620 --> 02:49:48,440
Vice President Shem,

2052
02:49:48,500 --> 02:49:48,720
Hi,

2053
02:49:48,760 --> 02:49:51,100
and I'd like to introduce Denise

2054
02:49:51,620 --> 02:49:51,940
HomeQuist.

2055
02:49:52,440 --> 02:49:53,200
She's Continuum,

2056
02:49:53,380 --> 02:49:53,900
CFO,

2057
02:49:54,480 --> 02:49:55,840
and she can share more about the company

2058
02:49:55,840 --> 02:49:57,880
and their investment in Africa.

2059
02:50:02,510 --> 02:50:16,030
Good evening, Vice Chair and good evening, council members. Thank you so much for having us here tonight. And on behalf of Quantanyu, I would first like to thank you, the City of Albuquerque and the State of New Mexico for really investing in quantum.

2060
02:50:17,270 --> 02:50:24,350
Quantanyu is very excited to be here tonight to be considered for a leader proposal, a leader grant. And thank you for having me to speak.

2061
02:50:25,150 --> 02:50:30,170
We were the first full staff quantum company that decided to plant our flag here in New Mexico.

2062
02:50:30,170 --> 02:50:34,170
And we really did that because Albuquerque checks all the boxes.

2063
02:50:35,310 --> 02:50:38,830
Albuquerque has a commitment, and the state has a commitment to quantum technologies.

2064
02:50:39,710 --> 02:50:45,170
Certainly there are technological resources here, spearheaded by C&DA and Los Alamos National Labs.

2065
02:50:45,750 --> 02:50:49,610
And there's also a very strong academic and workforce development strategy.

2066
02:50:50,650 --> 02:50:52,350
And we can benefit from all of those.

2067
02:50:52,490 --> 02:50:54,250
And we hope to help build that ecosystem.

2068
02:50:54,250 --> 02:51:01,170
One great example of workforce opportunities that we've recently had is the first cohort of the

2069
02:51:01,170 --> 02:51:07,390
Quantan Boot at CNN. We brought an intern in this last summer, and we have converted that

2070
02:51:07,390 --> 02:51:12,730
employee to full-time employment now. And so we really do appreciate the academic resources that

2071
02:51:12,730 --> 02:51:19,150
are found here in New Mexico. As mentioned, we do plan to invest over $32 million in capital and

2072
02:51:19,150 --> 02:51:26,290
over 25 high paid jobs and that are well above the average that we see in the region.

2073
02:51:27,210 --> 02:51:30,170
We are building our research and development labs here, focus on integrated

2074
02:51:30,730 --> 02:51:34,590
photonics, and that will fuel our next generation quantum computers.

2075
02:51:36,610 --> 02:51:40,330
We have lease of facility here in Albuquerque and we plan to use these funds to help

2076
02:51:40,330 --> 02:51:44,910
us construct and improve the lab and our business operations here.

2077
02:51:45,470 --> 02:51:50,430
We do expect this project where we really help us deepen our relationships across the ecosystem

2078
02:51:50,430 --> 02:51:55,170
that you've built here in the city of Albuquerque and the state of New Mexico, and I respectfully

2079
02:51:55,170 --> 02:51:56,450
ask for your support.

2080
02:52:02,320 --> 02:52:03,220
Thank you very much, guys.

2081
02:52:03,420 --> 02:52:06,900
Our council is in any questions, comments, concerns,

2082
02:52:09,780 --> 02:52:10,720
all right, I'm seeing none that I'm

2083
02:52:10,720 --> 02:52:11,360
quick.

2084
02:52:12,580 --> 02:52:13,060
Councillor Baca.

2085
02:52:16,130 --> 02:52:16,290
Yes.

2086
02:52:16,970 --> 02:52:17,490
Councillor Baca.

2087
02:52:17,610 --> 02:52:17,910
Yes.

2088
02:52:18,670 --> 02:52:19,750
Vice President Champagne?

2089
02:52:20,350 --> 02:52:20,530
Yes.

2090
02:52:21,250 --> 02:52:21,970
Councillor People Point.

2091
02:52:22,450 --> 02:52:23,670
Councillor Rodgers?

2092
02:52:23,690 --> 02:52:23,950
Yes.

2093
02:52:24,450 --> 02:52:24,990
Councillor Lewis?

2094
02:52:25,310 --> 02:52:25,950
Yes.

2095
02:52:26,330 --> 02:52:27,130
Councillor Rodgers?

2096
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:27,990
Yes.

2097
02:52:28,470 --> 02:52:28,930
Councillor Tays?

2098
02:52:30,250 --> 02:52:30,750
President Pena?

2099
02:52:32,890 --> 02:52:33,110
Yes.

2100
02:52:33,770 --> 02:52:34,190
Thank you.

2101
02:52:34,370 --> 02:52:34,930
Passes unanimously.

2102
02:52:36,390 --> 02:52:36,710
Thank you.

2103
02:52:36,770 --> 02:52:39,130
Move on to D. O56.

2104
02:52:40,370 --> 02:52:40,750
Councillor Rodgers.

2105
02:52:45,270 --> 02:52:47,230
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

2106
02:52:48,490 --> 02:52:55,390
O56 is approving a project involving black view ink pursuant of the Local Economic Development Act.

2107
02:52:55,390 --> 02:53:04,230
and City Ordnance FS004-10, the city's implementing legislation for that act to support the acquisition,

2108
02:53:04,990 --> 02:53:11,690
construction, and improvement of a 55,000 square foot satellite design manufacturing and operations facility.

2109
02:53:12,150 --> 02:53:18,370
At the MaxQ Campus adjacent to Kurt Winner for Space and Albuquerque, New Mexico, I move a due pass.

2110
02:53:19,970 --> 02:53:23,970
It's a motion for a due passing a second by a committee of the whole ground.

2111
02:53:24,990 --> 02:53:26,570
Council Rogers opened.

2112
02:53:27,690 --> 02:53:32,050
Thank you, Madam President. I'll turn it over to Deputy Director Mitchell.

2113
02:53:35,320 --> 02:53:41,160
Thank you, Vice President and City Counselors. This is the last one. So appreciate your time.

2114
02:53:41,940 --> 02:53:47,960
I would like to briefly explain why the city staff believes BlackV is such an important project for Albuquerque.

2115
02:53:47,960 --> 02:53:54,080
BlackBee aligns directly with the city strategy to grow our aerospace, advanced manufacturing and

2116
02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:59,160
national security industries. The company will create high-paying careers. We'll strengthen

2117
02:53:59,160 --> 02:54:06,140
in one of Albuquerque's significant industries, industry clusters. BlackBee selected Albuquerque

2118
02:54:06,140 --> 02:54:13,000
because we have a mutually strong space and defense ecosystem. Curtain Air Force Base,

2119
02:54:13,000 --> 02:54:20,520
the National Laboratories and Air Force Research Laboratories, Space Force missions UNM, CNM, and the

2120
02:54:20,520 --> 02:54:28,320
MaxQ Campus give the company access to talent, research partners, customers, and room to grow.

2121
02:54:28,760 --> 02:54:34,860
This project allows BlackBee to build on those assets will helping us retain and develop more

2122
02:54:34,860 --> 02:54:41,100
of our own technical workforce. The economic impact is significant. BlackBee plans to invest

2123
02:54:41,100 --> 02:54:50,200
up to $22.3 million in an existing facility on the max Q campus and create 152 new jobs over

2124
02:54:50,200 --> 02:54:57,180
ten years with an average salary of approximately $142,000 during the first three years.

2125
02:54:58,000 --> 02:54:59,980
The project is expected to generate a profit.

2126
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:13,460
Amendment 228.4 million in economic impact over 10 years. The proposed leader package is 1.25 million, including 250,000 from the city and 1 million from the state.

2127
02:55:14,480 --> 02:55:27,820
Our independent economic analysis estimates the city will net fiscal benefit of approximately 1.98 million, with the city's investment expected to be recovered in three years.

2128
02:55:27,820 --> 02:55:42,500
This is also a project with strong performance results and requirements, the agreement establishes a commitment of 152 new jobs with the first 40 positions tied to 100% clawback provision.

2129
02:55:43,380 --> 02:55:52,720
City staff will also work with CNM UNM APS and the Academies and other workforce partners to connect local students and graduates with these opportunities.

2130
02:55:54,060 --> 02:56:00,260
BlackBee's strengthens our aerospace ecosystem, creates outstanding careers, leverages assets

2131
02:56:00,260 --> 02:56:05,780
that we have spent years developing, and represents a strong performance-based public

2132
02:56:05,780 --> 02:56:06,800
private partnership.

2133
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:14,540
For these reasons, staff recommends approval of the BlackBee lead-up project.

2134
02:56:15,220 --> 02:56:19,760
With that, I will turn it over to Frankie Armassillo, our senior economic developer, to walk

2135
02:56:19,760 --> 02:56:20,960
through the project details.

2136
02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:22,480
Thank you.

2137
02:56:25,560 --> 02:56:29,700
Thank you again, Vice President Shampine and City Councilors.

2138
02:56:30,160 --> 02:56:34,920
Black V as Deputy Director Mitchell said is an advanced satellite manufacturing

2139
02:56:36,040 --> 02:56:42,540
serving U.S. national security needs. The companies are requesting $250,000 from the

2140
02:56:42,540 --> 02:56:48,040
City of Albuquerque to complement the $1 million in the state of New Mexico incentives.

2141
02:56:49,180 --> 02:56:57,260
BlackV is proposing to expand into an ex-already existing 50,000 square foot light manufacturing facility,

2142
02:56:59,140 --> 02:57:02,120
which is located at 4,000 Ranger Road Southeast.

2143
02:57:02,700 --> 02:57:07,600
The project represents a commitment to 152 new jobs.

2144
02:57:08,380 --> 02:57:16,880
The project participation agreement uses an existing algal curkey and new Mexico employment baseline of 24 employees

2145
02:57:16,880 --> 02:57:25,980
establishes a final employment target of 176 employees. The 152 job commitment is the difference

2146
02:57:25,980 --> 02:57:33,900
between those figures. The separate figure of 52 full-time employees represents black fees total

2147
02:57:33,900 --> 02:57:41,700
company wide workforce across New Mexico and Virginia. The remaining 28 employees are located in

2148
02:57:41,700 --> 02:57:45,900
Virginia and are not included in the Albuquerque baseline.

2149
02:57:47,180 --> 02:57:53,240
The project will occupy an existing industrial facility and requires no zoning change

2150
02:57:53,240 --> 02:58:01,060
and is expected to have a negligible or otherwise unremarkable utility usage.

2151
02:58:03,060 --> 02:58:08,760
The first 40 new positions are especially important because they are tied to a 100% claw

2152
02:58:08,760 --> 02:58:09,700
back provision.

2153
02:58:10,520 --> 02:58:16,980
For incentive compliance purposes, these must be qualifying project jobs based in Albuquerque

2154
02:58:16,980 --> 02:58:20,120
and filled by employees who reside in New Mexico.

2155
02:58:20,820 --> 02:58:25,680
Remote employees residing outside of New Mexico do not count towards the commitment.

2156
02:58:26,780 --> 02:58:31,220
I'd like to bring now Beth Lawdrip from the Economic Development Department of New

2157
02:58:31,220 --> 02:58:34,520
Mexico on their contributions for this project.

2158
02:58:38,290 --> 02:58:41,030
Thank you, Mr. Vice-freshing Council.

2159
02:58:42,250 --> 02:58:47,290
The state is firmly committed to supporting this company with $1 million in state lead

2160
02:58:47,290 --> 02:58:56,810
of funds, $452 jobs and an average salary of $145,565, now for stock options to their

2161
02:58:56,810 --> 02:59:04,150
employees, 5% matching 401k and excellent health benefits, and the state strongly urges

2162
02:59:04,150 --> 02:59:04,850
your support.

2163
02:59:05,470 --> 02:59:06,130
Thank you.

2164
02:59:07,540 --> 02:59:11,240
Thank you, Vice President and City Councilors.

2165
02:59:11,420 --> 02:59:17,800
I'd now like to introduce you to Dr. Peter Wagner, the CEO of BlackV, to share more

2166
02:59:17,800 --> 02:59:20,960
about their company and their investment to Albuquerque.

2167
02:59:24,950 --> 02:59:27,110
Good evening, Mr. Vice President and Councillors.

2168
02:59:27,490 --> 02:59:32,990
Thank you for having me here this evening and thank you for the support of my company.

2169
02:59:33,670 --> 02:59:39,090
We started the company two and a half years ago at the CNM Workforce Training Center and

2170
02:59:39,090 --> 02:59:45,090
We've been embedded there, growing very, very rapidly, and in fact, growing out of the space.

2171
02:59:46,150 --> 02:59:50,350
And so that's why we really need to expand, and we were lucky enough to find an existing

2172
02:59:50,350 --> 02:59:56,470
facility that meets our needs right near Curtin and Air Force Base, where many of our customers

2173
02:59:56,470 --> 02:59:59,770
and partners at San Diego National Labs.

2174
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:06,840
And organizations on Curtland Air Force Base reside. Albuquerque is a great place to grow a space company.

2175
03:00:08,140 --> 03:00:13,860
I first moved to Albuquerque in 1995 and started working at the Air Force Research Laboratory.

2176
03:00:14,560 --> 03:00:21,260
And I had a dream back then that, you know, to start a space company here where you could build and design satellites and operate them here.

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03:00:21,940 --> 03:00:27,200
I ended up moving away and started three other companies in Seattle and other places around the country.

2178
03:00:27,200 --> 03:00:34,380
But three years ago, when we looked at starting a new company, we looked around the country and decided Albuquerque was a place.

2179
03:00:34,940 --> 03:00:39,860
So I'm really excited to be back, really thrilled to grow the team.

2180
03:00:40,000 --> 03:00:47,420
I've got a wonderful team here locally that we've been able to hire from organizations that, you know,

2181
03:00:47,640 --> 03:00:53,340
from New Mexico, students from New Mexico, New Mexico Tech, UNM, New Mexico State.

2182
03:00:53,340 --> 03:00:58,160
So, really excited for the next chapter in the company and appreciate your support tonight.

2183
03:01:00,610 --> 03:01:01,130
Thank you very much.

2184
03:01:01,950 --> 03:01:03,150
I appreciate it.

2185
03:01:03,390 --> 03:01:04,330
Councils, any questions?

2186
03:01:06,450 --> 03:01:07,210
Seems caught in dry.

2187
03:01:08,050 --> 03:01:08,250
All right.

2188
03:01:08,490 --> 03:01:08,970
Madam Clerk.

2189
03:01:10,450 --> 03:01:10,970
Councillor Baca.

2190
03:01:11,210 --> 03:01:12,370
Hold on a second, Madam Clerk.

2191
03:01:12,930 --> 03:01:13,070
Yes.

2192
03:01:13,430 --> 03:01:14,110
You may close.

2193
03:01:14,930 --> 03:01:15,850
Thank you, Madam President.

2194
03:01:16,410 --> 03:01:16,570
I'm sorry.

2195
03:01:17,010 --> 03:01:17,770
That's a habit.

2196
03:01:17,990 --> 03:01:18,890
I didn't want you close.

2197
03:01:19,270 --> 03:01:20,970
Mr. Vice President.

2198
03:01:22,470 --> 03:01:24,410
I just wanted to, and I don't want to belabor it,

2199
03:01:24,410 --> 03:01:28,210
But I just want to talk about the clawbacks, as I know we mentioned it a little bit and I'm

2200
03:01:28,770 --> 03:01:34,430
very grateful to the department who already knows what I want to see in these and didn't

2201
03:01:34,430 --> 03:01:35,130
even have to ask.

2202
03:01:35,350 --> 03:01:36,590
It was already included.

2203
03:01:36,990 --> 03:01:42,850
Some of the clawbacks are around the employees that targeted that they have to hire before

2204
03:01:42,850 --> 03:01:47,470
December 31st, 2027 as early as 2027.

2205
03:01:48,490 --> 03:01:53,750
If the employment falls below 36, which is the cap for the first period of time is 36,

2206
03:01:53,750 --> 03:02:02,090
Then they may be required to pay, repay up to 100% of the applicable public funding after an 180-day

2207
03:02:02,090 --> 03:02:03,810
period, which is really important.

2208
03:02:04,250 --> 03:02:11,910
If they don't get to the 176 employees by December 3rd, 2036, then there's another trigger for

2209
03:02:11,910 --> 03:02:13,310
clawbacks there as well.

2210
03:02:13,670 --> 03:02:18,990
And so I just am grateful that that's what I'd like to see and that's why I love working with

2211
03:02:18,990 --> 03:02:24,330
department online because we make sure those those things are already built in in good

2212
03:02:24,330 --> 03:02:28,870
face that the they're already homegrown company they've been here they're pouring back

2213
03:02:28,870 --> 03:02:34,330
into our community even then we still need these assurances if we're using public dollars

2214
03:02:34,330 --> 03:02:40,910
and so thank you to the department thank you to see them and the community because we want

2215
03:02:40,910 --> 03:02:46,630
these things here just in a responsible way if this something happens and it doesn't we don't

2216
03:02:46,630 --> 03:02:52,450
out of all of our control sometimes, that the public's money is still secured and we can get it back

2217
03:02:52,450 --> 03:02:55,230
and I think that's the point. So I will urge your support.

2218
03:02:58,040 --> 03:02:59,220
Thank you, Councillor Rogers.

2219
03:02:59,700 --> 03:03:05,200
Madam Clerk. Councillor Baca. Yes. Councillor Pissong. Yes.

2220
03:03:05,900 --> 03:03:12,580
Nice President Shemheim. Yes. Councillor Peeblecorn? Yes. Councillor Grail. Yes. Councillor Lewis. Yes.

2221
03:03:12,580 --> 03:03:13,780
Councillor Rodgers.

2222
03:03:14,880 --> 03:03:15,540
Councillor Tays?

2223
03:03:15,960 --> 03:03:16,000
Yes.

2224
03:03:16,480 --> 03:03:17,080
President Pena.

2225
03:03:19,120 --> 03:03:19,340
Yes.

2226
03:03:20,220 --> 03:03:20,880
Passes unanimously.

2227
03:03:22,480 --> 03:03:22,720
Thank you.

2228
03:03:22,780 --> 03:03:24,340
We'll move on to appeals now.

2229
03:03:24,660 --> 03:03:30,020
AC-07, the Yale Village, Neighborhood Association, and D. Love's Restaurant, LLC.

2230
03:03:30,580 --> 03:03:36,260
Appeals the zoning hearing examiner's decision to approve a conditional use for an overnight

2231
03:03:36,260 --> 03:03:40,360
shelter for the property located at 2300 Yale Boulevard, Southeast.

2232
03:03:41,620 --> 03:03:43,200
Mr. Hall.

2233
03:03:49,160 --> 03:03:50,900
Thank you Vice President Shempain, Councillors.

2234
03:03:51,420 --> 03:04:00,460
This is an appeal for the appeal of the Azizah's decision to approve a conditional

2235
03:04:00,460 --> 03:04:02,740
use permit with 19 additional conditions.

2236
03:04:04,040 --> 03:04:15,780
This property is located in the like the title says at 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

2237
03:04:15,780 --> 03:04:17,700
airport that helps orient anyone.

2238
03:04:19,900 --> 03:04:24,520
The conditional use permit would permit this property

2239
03:04:24,520 --> 03:04:34,560
used as an overnight shelter. The applicant in this case erroneously believed that at

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03:04:34,560 --> 03:04:40,980
the time they began operations in November 2025 that a permit was not needed predicated on

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03:04:40,980 --> 03:04:47,740
incorrect advice from my known city staff. Nevertheless, the application came before the city

2242
03:04:47,740 --> 03:04:57,160
in December 2025 and then produced their actress three hearings in front of the ZHE. At the first

2243
03:04:57,160 --> 03:04:59,960
hearing for the ZHE, there were some questions written.

2244
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:09,900
On the basis of some of the impacts that we're going to be faced by the neighborhood surrounding area due to the proposed grant of the conditional use permit.

2245
03:05:11,360 --> 03:05:19,920
Notably, it was whether the proposed conditional use would create significant adverse impacts on adjacent properties, starting neighborhood and our logic community.

2246
03:05:19,920 --> 03:05:28,500
That phrase will come up often because it's one of the required elements of the shallow grant scheme in a conditional use permitting scheme.

2247
03:05:29,580 --> 03:05:33,980
On that basis, the ZIG order continues to get some clarification on those questions.

2248
03:05:34,900 --> 03:05:38,280
They continue the ZIG continue that hearing to February 17th, 2025.

2249
03:05:39,060 --> 03:05:43,480
The February 17th, 2025, the ZIG held a second public hearing.

2250
03:05:43,480 --> 03:05:58,180
And while some answers, some questions were answered, the ZHE still felt that there was an outstanding question regarding the adverse impacts on the surrounding adjacent properties trying to neighborhood larger community.

2251
03:05:58,640 --> 03:06:12,300
And what efforts could be taken to mitigate those impacts with additional conditions while the parties during that hearing appear to agree that there need to be some kind of conditions that would be adjusted or changed or added.

2252
03:06:12,300 --> 03:06:20,440
neither party to the ZHE's estimation believed that they had the 80 kinds that they wanted

2253
03:06:20,440 --> 03:06:27,060
to offer. So the ZHE continued to hearing to the April 21st hearing and the interim directed

2254
03:06:27,060 --> 03:06:32,500
his staff to consult different applicable suit departments and commenting agencies including

2255
03:06:32,500 --> 03:06:39,020
but unlimited to go enforcement. Family and community services department, Albuquerque Community

2256
03:06:39,020 --> 03:06:41,560
safety, Harvard Health Housing and Homelessness,

2257
03:06:41,840 --> 03:06:44,700
Albuquerque Police Department, and Albuquerque Farmer Rescue.

2258
03:06:46,040 --> 03:06:47,580
So we're coming to the third CHE hearing.

2259
03:06:48,080 --> 03:06:53,000
And at the third CHE hearing, the CHE took comments

2260
03:06:53,000 --> 03:06:55,460
from, or at least took suggestions from,

2261
03:06:55,460 --> 03:06:57,280
the three commenting agents that responded.

2262
03:06:58,140 --> 03:07:00,300
KPDs, AFRs abandoned and dilapidated

2263
03:07:00,300 --> 03:07:03,360
payment property, also known as Adapt and Code Enforcement.

2264
03:07:04,660 --> 03:07:08,380
Following those comments, the CHE constructed

2265
03:07:08,380 --> 03:07:15,820
19 additional conditions, including several sub-parts for some of the conditions, that he

2266
03:07:15,820 --> 03:07:22,820
then added to the conditional use permit. With those Nike conditions, these EHU approved the

2267
03:07:22,820 --> 03:07:26,780
application for the conditional use of an overnight shelter at this property location.

2268
03:07:28,140 --> 03:07:31,280
On appeal, there are two appellants, the Appellants at Yale Village and the

2269
03:07:31,280 --> 03:07:35,920
Association and D-Luds restaurants LLC doing businesses a waffle house.

2270
03:07:36,720 --> 03:07:42,820
They generally challenged on the basis of failure to show sufficient evidence to support

2271
03:07:42,820 --> 03:07:48,460
the ZHE's decision, arbitrary and capricious decision-making and that resulted in that

2272
03:07:48,460 --> 03:07:54,680
more in the approval of the conditional use permit and that the ZHE misapplied the idea.

2273
03:07:56,480 --> 03:08:01,840
July 30th, we hold held a quasi-judicial appeal hearing in which the applicant and the

2274
03:08:01,840 --> 03:08:04,000
appellant appeared and provided testimony.

2275
03:08:06,020 --> 03:08:13,880
So as a threshold finding, the threshold issue, Lujo recommended that the council find

2276
03:08:14,780 --> 03:08:18,980
that the Yale Village Neighborhood Association does not have standing.

2277
03:08:19,680 --> 03:08:24,260
The reason for that being is that under the idea, a neighborhood association must provide

2278
03:08:24,260 --> 03:08:27,660
a submit a petition of majority of all property members,

2279
03:08:27,760 --> 03:08:29,800
property owners are tensed in 600 feet of an application

2280
03:08:29,800 --> 03:08:32,080
and includes an inclusive rights of way.

2281
03:08:33,080 --> 03:08:35,020
The yellow village neighbor association failed

2282
03:08:35,020 --> 03:08:37,680
to present this petition, and on that basis,

2283
03:08:37,900 --> 03:08:39,800
the Lujo found that they should be dismissed

2284
03:08:39,800 --> 03:08:41,220
from this matter for life of standing.

2285
03:08:42,220 --> 03:08:45,580
That does not apply to appellant de-loves.

2286
03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:48,580
They are the law of the House directly adjacent

2287
03:08:48,580 --> 03:08:52,420
to this property, and so their standing remains unchanged.

2288
03:08:54,260 --> 03:08:56,540
to the merits of this matter.

2289
03:08:57,380 --> 03:09:04,100
The Lujo found that the ZHU's decision should be partially denied, partially granted.

2290
03:09:06,240 --> 03:09:11,860
In looking at what is partially denied, at least the appeals should be partially denied.

2291
03:09:11,940 --> 03:09:12,520
That's why I mean to say.

2292
03:09:13,040 --> 03:09:17,180
The Lujo found that the ZHU's decision should be partially denied, partially granted, gosh.

2293
03:09:17,180 --> 03:09:28,840
The Lujo concluded that the apparent deal of appeals, seeking reversal of the decision, did not meet the standards for reversing.

2294
03:09:29,080 --> 03:09:37,240
Specifically, the Lujo hinged on the conditions that were attached by the ZAT-19 conditions.

2295
03:09:37,780 --> 03:09:45,720
And found that not only do they apply the IDEO correctly, and they've actually added that only they provide substantial evidence.

2296
03:09:45,720 --> 03:09:51,560
but they also show that they were carefully and considered based on the expert testimony

2297
03:09:51,560 --> 03:09:52,160
so to speak.

2298
03:09:52,240 --> 03:09:55,620
The expert submissions by the commenting agencies.

2299
03:09:56,260 --> 03:09:59,980
I emphasize that when these are-

2300
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:06,000
The types of conditions that are not merely speculative, but, or, quote, specifically designed, is a sufficiently

2301
03:10:06,000 --> 03:10:11,260
mitigated adverse offsite and on-site impacts linked to the overnight shelter use.

2302
03:10:11,760 --> 03:10:17,840
So, on that basis, including the additional 19 conditions with subparts, the Lujo found that the

2303
03:10:17,840 --> 03:10:22,620
CHC decision was neither an arbitration or capricious, was not an error implying that I go and I was

2304
03:10:22,620 --> 03:10:27,840
supported by substantial elements. However, this is where we get to the partially grant

2305
03:10:27,840 --> 03:10:34,560
the appeal. The ZHE decision, the Lujo felt the ZHE decision should be partially granted

2306
03:10:34,560 --> 03:10:42,900
only to the extent that some timelines for conditions should be cut to a shorter time friend

2307
03:10:42,900 --> 03:10:48,180
what's normally allowed under a conditional use scheme. An occasional use scheme, it's a year

2308
03:10:48,180 --> 03:10:51,160
standard to meet those additional conditions.

2309
03:10:51,900 --> 03:10:58,000
The Lujo felt that because there are adverse impacts being felt to and testified to by the

2310
03:10:58,000 --> 03:11:03,740
pellets and by surrounding businesses and those representatives of members of the, you know,

2311
03:11:03,760 --> 03:11:11,400
providing neighborhoods, that the some conditions needed to be addressed sooner, not within

2312
03:11:11,400 --> 03:11:12,240
a year time.

2313
03:11:12,240 --> 03:11:21,640
The LOOHO proposed that four different requirements be met within 60 days and that four different requirements be met within 90 days of the Council's final decision.

2314
03:11:22,980 --> 03:11:31,620
Those conditions that were met within 60 days are requiring adequate lighting, requiring natural surveillance and crude lines of sight on the property,

2315
03:11:32,700 --> 03:11:40,020
requiring installation of exterior lighting and requiring on-site security response and oversight procedures to be implemented for level 2 security.

2316
03:11:40,020 --> 03:11:47,220
Within 90 days, the Lujo recommended that the applicant be required to ensure adequate locking

2317
03:11:47,220 --> 03:11:52,360
devices on exterior doors, limit and clearly delineate access to the property, install

2318
03:11:52,360 --> 03:11:56,760
no trust passing signs directly visible upon entering the property, and implement and

2319
03:11:56,760 --> 03:11:59,320
control access practices to the facility.

2320
03:12:00,060 --> 03:12:06,920
The remaining additional 19 conditions, minus 8, so 11 conditions would be implemented no

2321
03:12:06,920 --> 03:12:08,480
later than May 5, 20, 27.

2322
03:12:08,480 --> 03:12:16,460
So, on that whole summation, the Luhore recommends that the City Council partially deny and partially grant the appeal.

2323
03:12:16,920 --> 03:12:23,060
It would be a partial deny of the appeal as to overturning the entirety of the ZAT's findings,

2324
03:12:23,420 --> 03:12:29,280
but it would be partially grant in adjusting the timeframes for eight different conditions.

2325
03:12:31,740 --> 03:12:32,360
I stand for questioning.

2326
03:12:33,540 --> 03:12:37,000
Councillor, do you have any questions from Mr. Hall?

2327
03:12:38,020 --> 03:12:38,580
Councillor Teyes.

2328
03:12:39,020 --> 03:12:40,520
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

2329
03:12:41,540 --> 03:12:50,700
Mr. Hall, on the 60 days, those are items A, B, in the in the.

2330
03:12:51,180 --> 03:12:51,780
Yes.

2331
03:12:52,900 --> 03:13:01,360
Vice President and Councillor Teyes, that would be 25, A, 25, B, 25, Q, and 25, P, as reflected in

2332
03:13:01,360 --> 03:13:06,360
in the ZHE's order of April 21st.

2333
03:13:07,220 --> 03:13:10,460
I believe if you look in the appeal packet,

2334
03:13:10,840 --> 03:13:16,340
that would be Hage, 16 and 17.

2335
03:13:17,680 --> 03:13:19,860
Thank you, Mr. All, Mr. Vice President.

2336
03:13:20,100 --> 03:13:24,340
And for the 90 days, I see it's items FG

2337
03:13:24,340 --> 03:13:26,220
and what were the other two?

2338
03:13:26,740 --> 03:13:28,860
F, I, M, and N.

2339
03:13:28,860 --> 03:13:33,080
and so not G. I thought it was G2.

2340
03:13:39,200 --> 03:13:40,940
Thank you, Mr. Vice-Person. One more question.

2341
03:13:43,300 --> 03:13:49,700
What are we going to do if the spotty accepts that recommendation?

2342
03:13:50,000 --> 03:13:55,700
How can we ensure oversight and accountability on those 30, 90, and 365?

2343
03:13:58,340 --> 03:14:02,980
So Vice President Champagne, Councillor Tays, that would be the responsibility of code enforcement

2344
03:14:02,980 --> 03:14:06,560
to make sure that they're meeting those obligations and that they're following up.

2345
03:14:07,020 --> 03:14:11,420
And we think that, you know, because of the prolonged period and the contentious nature

2346
03:14:11,420 --> 03:14:15,820
of this matter, there's likely going to be pretty serious oversight of making sure those

2347
03:14:15,820 --> 03:14:16,420
conditions are met.

2348
03:14:16,560 --> 03:14:20,860
In fact, the Lou Hogue noted in 5th and 5th and 5th and 5th and 15th that the applicant should

2349
03:14:20,860 --> 03:14:24,520
be advised that, quote, if any conditions are not met within this time, the approval is

2350
03:14:24,520 --> 03:14:27,300
of the voice setting, IDO section 640.

2351
03:14:28,840 --> 03:14:30,600
Thank you, Mr. Hall, and Mr. Vice President,

2352
03:14:30,760 --> 03:14:33,420
one more question for our planning director

2353
03:14:33,420 --> 03:14:36,500
or whose here on behalf of codes.

2354
03:14:47,580 --> 03:14:49,500
Mr. Vice President, thank you, director.

2355
03:14:50,240 --> 03:14:53,420
Have you reviewed these recommendations

2356
03:14:53,420 --> 03:14:57,760
from the Louvre for the 1690 and the 19 recommendations

2357
03:14:57,760 --> 03:14:59,520
of the work that needs to be done?

2358
03:14:59,520 --> 03:14:59,960
Yeah.

2359
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:11,960
And a council president and councillor, no, I have not. We're waiting to determine what city council does with this, but no, I have not personally gotten involved with this particular case.

2360
03:15:12,400 --> 03:15:23,880
Thank you, Director. Are you able to just kind of do a quick review and just let us know based off of your capacity and codes if you think you can meet those particular.

2361
03:15:23,880 --> 03:15:25,000
Councillor TAYS.

2362
03:15:25,040 --> 03:15:25,620
Thanks, President.

2363
03:15:26,000 --> 03:15:26,260
Thank you.

2364
03:15:27,040 --> 03:15:27,680
Thank you.

2365
03:15:27,860 --> 03:15:28,020
Councillor TAYS.

2366
03:15:28,200 --> 03:15:29,640
I apologize for jumping in.

2367
03:15:29,640 --> 03:15:29,860
Thank you.

2368
03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:31,600
Thank you.

2369
03:15:31,640 --> 03:15:38,020
The purpose of this accept or reject proceeding at this time is on a closed record, so I would

2370
03:15:38,020 --> 03:15:42,780
not recommend that this body take it outside information that's outside the record.

2371
03:15:43,220 --> 03:15:43,820
Thank you.

2372
03:15:44,100 --> 03:15:44,920
Thank you.

2373
03:15:45,200 --> 03:15:45,740
Mr. Baysford.

2374
03:15:46,520 --> 03:15:47,100
Councillor Rogers.

2375
03:15:47,580 --> 03:15:48,200
Thank you, Mr. Baysford.

2376
03:15:48,460 --> 03:15:52,920
I'd like to move to reject the Lujo recommendation and schedule a full hearing at the next

2377
03:15:52,920 --> 03:15:53,840
council meeting?

2378
03:15:57,360 --> 03:16:01,900
All right, there's a motion to not accept, correct?

2379
03:16:02,480 --> 03:16:07,920
To reject it? Yes, I'm going to make sure it's recommendation. Okay.

2380
03:16:09,220 --> 03:16:12,380
Let me have a second by committee of the whole grant.

2381
03:16:13,720 --> 03:16:17,280
Councillors, there are any discussion on the regention? On the motion.

2382
03:16:19,920 --> 03:16:20,420
Council Lewis?

2383
03:16:21,160 --> 03:16:21,940
I don't know. Okay.

2384
03:16:24,550 --> 03:16:25,190
All right. That being said.

2385
03:16:25,190 --> 03:16:27,610
Councillor Baca.

2386
03:16:28,630 --> 03:16:29,410
Councillor Bazaar?

2387
03:16:29,450 --> 03:16:29,830
No.

2388
03:16:30,930 --> 03:16:31,890
Vice President Shampai.

2389
03:16:32,850 --> 03:16:33,010
Yes.

2390
03:16:34,980 --> 03:16:35,900
Councillor Peoplehorn.

2391
03:16:37,120 --> 03:16:37,260
Yes.

2392
03:16:38,000 --> 03:16:38,660
Councillor Grow.

2393
03:16:39,040 --> 03:16:39,220
Yes.

2394
03:16:40,080 --> 03:16:40,660
Councillor Lewis.

2395
03:16:41,620 --> 03:16:41,680
Yes.

2396
03:16:41,680 --> 03:16:42,260
Councillor Rogers.

2397
03:16:42,760 --> 03:16:43,020
Yes.

2398
03:16:43,600 --> 03:16:44,240
Councillor Tays.

2399
03:16:45,440 --> 03:16:46,100
President Pena.

2400
03:16:50,790 --> 03:16:52,590
It passes on a seven-way boat.

2401
03:16:59,730 --> 03:17:02,410
We will move on to general public comments.

2402
03:17:05,320 --> 03:17:08,740
Members of the public can provide live public comments to the Council in person.

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or virtually if they have signed up for public comment,

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further instructions published on the agenda and our website that's Friday.

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03:17:16,580 --> 03:17:20,500
As a reminder, pursuant to our rules and procedures, article 1, section 8,

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03:17:20,660 --> 03:17:25,600
general public comment shall not be permitted on quasi-judicial matters.

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03:17:25,960 --> 03:17:30,960
Please do not include in your comment anything related to any quasi-judicial matters,

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03:17:31,860 --> 03:17:37,160
including proposed site plans, zoning map amendments, or the Luhull appeal we just heard.

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03:17:37,160 --> 03:17:42,000
Failure to comply with this rule, may result in your comment being cut off.

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03:17:42,380 --> 03:17:44,560
Please take this time to edit your comments.

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Here are the public ground rules.

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For tonight, each participant has one minute to present.

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03:17:50,740 --> 03:17:55,880
Comments will be addressed to the counselors only through the council vice president.

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03:17:56,580 --> 03:18:00,540
Any disruption, any disruptive conduct will result in removal from the meeting.

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03:18:01,300 --> 03:18:06,140
Again, there is a one minute time limit and the indicator your bell will ring.

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03:18:06,140 --> 03:18:12,420
So Mr. Cornelius, thank you Mr. Vice President, our first speaker is Tad Nieminski,

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03:18:12,800 --> 03:18:14,900
followed by Dr. Lisa, Kristofferson.

2418
03:18:30,720 --> 03:18:31,960
Excuse me, just a second,

2419
03:18:43,950 --> 03:18:45,210
would you give me your overhead?

2420
03:18:56,270 --> 03:18:57,090
Thank you.

2421
03:18:58,910 --> 03:19:03,910
That's all we're looking right here. My name is Tad Nieminski.

2422
03:19:03,910 --> 03:19:15,370
And what we look right now, here, in the consent agenda, 5, almost 5%, new taxes.

2423
03:19:17,190 --> 03:19:24,290
Let's go now to the real issue, economic and neighborhood redevelopment.

2424
03:19:24,290 --> 03:19:33,670
Anybody can remember, or you should be a winner and so on, you're just back, while everything

2425
03:19:33,670 --> 03:19:44,590
went down here, nothing deserted, on the 50s, look at now, how beautiful up down a vibrant,

2426
03:19:44,590 --> 03:19:55,530
for every tick, restaurants, hotels, all offices, every tick, even in corroborated with

2427
03:19:56,450 --> 03:19:59,970
Now, compare to here, down, down, down.

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03:20:00,140 --> 03:20:07,040
One, Mr. Chavez, on the front of his building,

2429
03:20:09,480 --> 03:20:22,360
the property city posting, parking lot meters. What kind of, how would you like a neighbor like he has, thank you.

2430
03:20:22,700 --> 03:20:25,820
Dr. Lisa Christopherson, followed by Maryland, Moquino.

2431
03:20:30,460 --> 03:20:34,260
Good evening, Vice President Champagne City Counselors.

2432
03:20:34,600 --> 03:20:35,900
My name is Lisa Krasofferson.

2433
03:20:36,160 --> 03:20:38,320
I speak to you today about three matters.

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03:20:39,000 --> 03:20:41,940
First of all, I am super excited about democracy

2435
03:20:41,940 --> 03:20:46,680
and how in Albuquerque, we are able to tackle things together.

2436
03:20:47,600 --> 03:20:50,380
Even when we're this far apart, and we work it out.

2437
03:20:50,460 --> 03:20:54,380
So I'm very excited and you all are part of that, allowing us.

2438
03:20:54,460 --> 03:20:57,100
I mean, I know it's constitutional, but the public comment

2439
03:20:57,100 --> 03:20:59,000
getting to interact with you all, we're solving things.

2440
03:20:59,000 --> 03:21:05,880
So, my two things now, the moratorium on the sweeps, having to have a special court for civil

2441
03:21:05,880 --> 03:21:11,500
citations for trespassing, loitering, blocking sidewalks, hindering passage, all of the versions

2442
03:21:11,500 --> 03:21:19,840
of that, I would ask for us to consider the task force, the working with businesses, to

2443
03:21:19,840 --> 03:21:21,000
try and have alternatives.

2444
03:21:21,460 --> 03:21:26,760
If we might have an avenue where we might offer some alternative solutions to the constant

2445
03:21:26,760 --> 03:21:27,460
incarceration.

2446
03:21:27,460 --> 03:21:34,380
And the second thing is for the mayor, a abundance policy, I don't know what that is that he was talking about.

2447
03:21:34,640 --> 03:21:38,280
I would love an explanation because it really sounds like a left-in meat cake.

2448
03:21:41,640 --> 03:21:45,600
Maryland, Mochino, followed by Adonica, Graven, Good.

2449
03:21:50,180 --> 03:21:54,760
Happy Monday Vice President and Counselors.

2450
03:21:55,520 --> 03:22:02,400
My name is Maryland, Mochino, and I'm a third generation vendor with the permit in the Old Town Portown Market Program.

2451
03:22:02,400 --> 03:22:20,740
where I have held a permit for over 50 years, and I am here today to request your immediate help to move benders back to our original front spaces at 206 San Felipe Street Northwest in the Old Town Plaza.

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03:22:21,460 --> 03:22:32,380
Following the recent ruling by the Lambrates Commission on August 12, 2026, the Lambrates Commission voted by the Lambrates Commission.

2453
03:22:32,380 --> 03:22:37,660
Okay, you're you're commenting on something that couldn't come in front of this council as a quasi-digital issue

2454
03:22:37,660 --> 03:22:40,060
And we can't hear that during public comment

2455
03:22:40,960 --> 03:22:47,960
Okay, because this is that that ruling could come in front of us and then it presents an issue for us in order to rule on it

2456
03:22:47,960 --> 03:22:49,720
Is that an you didn't make sense?

2457
03:22:49,900 --> 03:22:51,980
Yes, I am okay

2458
03:22:53,000 --> 03:22:55,120
So so can I continue

2459
03:22:56,620 --> 03:22:58,420
not if it's gonna be

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03:22:58,960 --> 03:23:02,700
commenting about a possible issue coming before this council.

2461
03:23:03,280 --> 03:23:08,580
If it's an opinion, just that you need to return things, or we'd like to see things back,

2462
03:23:08,700 --> 03:23:15,140
but you can't make comments that go specifically to the appeal or to the issue at hand.

2463
03:23:16,120 --> 03:23:21,300
Well, I'm just requesting that we have been moved with our spaces.

2464
03:23:21,880 --> 03:23:26,920
We have been moved to the south side where the private property is, and we're under an ordinance

2465
03:23:26,920 --> 03:23:33,380
on that too. It was exactly the history that we are required to be on the west side under

2466
03:23:33,380 --> 03:23:40,220
a public right away under an ordinance. So we're just asking to move back to the front where

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03:23:40,220 --> 03:23:43,700
we're supposed to be. Okay. Thank you, man. Thank you.

2468
03:23:43,780 --> 03:23:44,800
Thank you.

2469
03:23:44,820 --> 03:23:49,680
Thank you, Mr. President. Doctor Single, can you? I know that that is a violation of the

2470
03:23:49,680 --> 03:23:53,660
city-existing ordinance. Can you work with Ms. Moquino to get folks back to where they need

2471
03:23:53,660 --> 03:23:55,300
until everything gets resolved.

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03:23:58,570 --> 03:23:59,130
Mr. Garrett.

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03:24:00,130 --> 03:24:00,410
Thank you.

2474
03:24:01,770 --> 03:24:02,910
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

2475
03:24:02,930 --> 03:24:07,090
Our next speaker is Adonica Graven Gid, followed by Joseph Leicon.

2476
03:24:07,890 --> 03:24:10,690
Hello, Vice President Champagne and City Councilors.

2477
03:24:11,050 --> 03:24:11,970
Thank you for the opportunity.

2478
03:24:12,650 --> 03:24:13,950
I'm the last speaker's daughter.

2479
03:24:14,430 --> 03:24:15,690
My name is Adonica Graven Gid.

2480
03:24:16,210 --> 03:24:19,410
I'm also a fourth generation vendor with the permitted null term.

2481
03:24:20,390 --> 03:24:22,070
Where I've held the permit for 23 years.

2482
03:24:22,450 --> 03:24:23,250
I'm here today.

2483
03:24:23,250 --> 03:24:30,750
For the same purposes, my mom to request assistance to move our vendor spaces back to the original front spaces at 206.

2484
03:24:30,970 --> 03:24:33,230
I'm fully pissed off, no questions, excuse me.

2485
03:24:33,850 --> 03:24:39,110
The building owner may not have proved changes with this building replacing the old windows, and that's what prompted the spaces being moved.

2486
03:24:40,110 --> 03:24:48,750
The city departments have a lot of ongoing violations of the city ordinance, subsection 13321, section A.

2487
03:24:48,750 --> 03:24:59,970
Since former arts and culture services director Dr. Sanchez succeeded her authority by moving six bases to a private property on the south side in April 2026

2488
03:25:01,040 --> 03:25:09,340
I'm just asking you for any help that you could possibly provide for us to get us back up from, where the ordinance protects us.

2489
03:25:09,480 --> 03:25:10,560
Thank you.

2490
03:25:12,670 --> 03:25:15,070
Joseph Leica, followed by our let's, Otto.

2491
03:25:24,750 --> 03:25:27,150
Let's, Otto, followed by a brick, jealousy.

2492
03:25:33,110 --> 03:25:34,750
Vice President, council members,

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03:25:37,720 --> 03:25:48,580
I don't know what a citizen's supposed to do. You seem very concerned about your ordinances and that they're followed to the letter.

2494
03:25:48,580 --> 03:25:52,820
And if somebody doesn't do that, you'll haul them off to jail.

2495
03:25:53,440 --> 03:25:53,560
Right?

2496
03:25:54,020 --> 03:25:55,440
We can all agree upon that.

2497
03:25:55,660 --> 03:25:55,980
Don't wait.

2498
03:25:56,280 --> 03:25:56,660
We do.

2499
03:25:57,200 --> 03:25:59,040
Because you, you're jail's a full of people.

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03:26:00,820 --> 03:26:08,400
But Lord forbid somebody with intelligence tries to tell you that your police officers

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03:26:08,400 --> 03:26:15,060
are currently in violation of New Mexico's Constitution, which I think would have a

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03:26:15,060 --> 03:26:22,960
bit more sway than a simple city ordinance. So if you all got a pen and paper you might want

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03:26:22,960 --> 03:26:31,020
to write down Article 20 section one of the New Mexico Constitution. And if I'm wrong you tell me

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03:26:31,020 --> 03:26:36,780
about it, Mr. Clerk, because I've approached you and you blew me off and told me to go to the city

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03:26:36,780 --> 03:26:39,960
attorney. Well guess what? You're the city attorney.

2506
03:26:43,580 --> 03:26:46,000
Brick Jonesy followed by Gray Stooks.

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03:26:47,320 --> 03:26:49,100
Get the overhead, please

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03:26:56,840 --> 03:26:58,900
see that's okay.

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03:26:59,780 --> 03:27:01,300
A, you can see it, good enough, okay.

2510
03:27:03,000 --> 03:27:07,580
We've all heard the saying, this is your brain on drugs, but this is your brain on flock.

2511
03:27:09,220 --> 03:27:15,840
That's your whole country on flock, or whatever surveillance state that the country is produced.

2512
03:27:16,340 --> 03:27:17,240
That's the state.

2513
03:27:17,360 --> 03:27:20,480
It's not so bad out here in Mexico, but it's still there, right?

2514
03:27:21,300 --> 03:27:28,880
There's your city, right? All them flock cameras. Oh look, we can actually detail all of that surveillance, right?

2515
03:27:29,020 --> 03:27:37,620
Oh look at that, downtown. That's your surveillance. Just pointing it out because like, you know, obviously you guys,

2516
03:27:38,440 --> 03:27:45,340
I'm really going to watch us. But when I pull out the camera, I got a camera right here too.

2517
03:27:45,340 --> 03:27:52,280
This is my own personal camera right but I'm a citizen. People expect the citizens to be able to

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03:27:53,880 --> 03:27:54,440
press.

2519
03:27:55,040 --> 03:27:55,920
Because that's our first amendment.

2520
03:27:57,140 --> 03:28:00,050
But I don't really be

2521
03:28:00,050 --> 03:28:04,590
I don't really expect to like walk out on the sidewalk and have you guys watching the other where I go.

2522
03:28:05,950 --> 03:28:09,010
Just saying that's your uh, that's your city on flat.

2523
03:28:11,430 --> 03:28:13,390
Grace Duke's followed by Anami Dawson.

2524
03:28:14,830 --> 03:28:19,550
Good evening. Yes today. I was out knocking doors. This is my different Abbey Foster

2525
03:28:19,550 --> 03:28:24,450
in Councillor Besan's district that she likely already knows and the thing I took away from it

2526
03:28:24,450 --> 03:28:30,030
is that money isn't in the right places. We are skipping meals and living out of our cars

2527
03:28:30,030 --> 03:28:35,750
because we can't afford to live and you don't help us instead you try and raise the GRT.

2528
03:28:36,190 --> 03:28:40,430
Our city's financial stability can't come at the cost of ignoring the fact that our federal

2529
03:28:40,430 --> 03:28:46,790
government is being decimated and we are not picking up the slack. And you knew GRT revenue must

2530
03:28:46,790 --> 03:28:52,230
go to our safety net, which we don't do because we're uninterested in shifting away from

2531
03:28:52,230 --> 03:28:58,350
the military industrial complex that's sending your kids to die for Israel and perpetuating

2532
03:28:58,350 --> 03:29:00,570
the cycles of poverty and extraction.

2533
03:29:01,350 --> 03:29:04,630
So I'm here to demand accountability from President Pena, who isn't here.

2534
03:29:05,070 --> 03:29:09,610
She must start serving us, not her donors, and if she doesn't have the balls, then she needs

2535
03:29:09,610 --> 03:29:12,410
to resign, and that's the one who actually knows Barbara's rules.

2536
03:29:12,630 --> 03:29:13,370
Take the gaffle.

2537
03:29:13,610 --> 03:29:14,090
Thank you.

2538
03:29:16,330 --> 03:29:20,490
Anami Das, followed by a Dale Rose Bennett Herrick.

2539
03:29:28,360 --> 03:29:32,060
A Dale Rose Bennett Herrick, followed by Laura Alderetti.

2540
03:29:51,180 --> 03:29:52,180
Just for solo Garcia.

2541
03:30:04,460 --> 03:30:07,120
I get wine on the can't be here today.

2542
03:30:13,050 --> 03:30:16,210
Laura Alderetti, followed by Ben Michael Barreras.

2543
03:30:22,010 --> 03:30:28,090
Vice President of Council members, Jose Armas, a tall striking young man with defining features

2544
03:30:28,090 --> 03:30:30,090
in by all the council moments, boy.

2545
03:30:30,770 --> 03:30:34,910
Born in Mason, Albuquerque, he was 23 years old, a big brother to four siblings.

2546
03:30:35,850 --> 03:30:37,910
He was. My nephew.

2547
03:30:38,830 --> 03:30:43,610
On May 26, Jose was having a mental crisis. He wanted the pain to stop. It was not his

2548
03:30:43,610 --> 03:30:48,850
for one of many since experiencing PTSD after working as a correctional officer for the county.

2549
03:30:50,090 --> 03:30:56,950
ACS did not show up, and I'm here to ask each and one of you. Why? Isn't that their primary function?

2550
03:30:58,630 --> 03:31:02,950
APD likes your function, and if scenario, so let me pose a few for you.

2551
03:31:03,850 --> 03:31:12,110
If ACS has showed up, Jose would be alive. If APD had allowed his mother to talk to him, he would be alive.

2552
03:31:12,970 --> 03:31:19,330
If ABD would not have created a chaotic scene, it would have been clear that Jose was not armed or shooting from upstairs.

2553
03:31:20,130 --> 03:31:23,870
Jose was legally shot at the front door and just a few steps from there.

2554
03:31:24,230 --> 03:31:25,730
He bled to death and died.

2555
03:31:29,240 --> 03:31:32,060
Jose was murdered, but his spirit was not killed.

2556
03:31:32,500 --> 03:31:36,640
And this is the prelude to a movement that will be his voice for justice.

2557
03:31:38,060 --> 03:31:38,540
Thank you.

2558
03:31:41,860 --> 03:31:45,880
Ben Michael Vereras, followed by Eva Montoya.

2559
03:31:53,310 --> 03:31:55,810
Eva Montoya, followed by Mervin Tilden.

2560
03:32:03,460 --> 03:32:06,220
Good evening, Vice President, Council members.

2561
03:32:07,040 --> 03:32:07,680
Thank you.

2562
03:32:07,940 --> 03:32:12,120
I'm just calling to comment or coming in to comments on

2563
03:32:12,120 --> 03:32:16,400
like super speeders and chronic speeders who are basically not

2564
03:32:16,400 --> 03:32:20,820
just stacking up to get after tickets of the automated cameras.

2565
03:32:21,500 --> 03:32:24,060
And they're just not paying them.

2566
03:32:24,060 --> 03:32:27,880
I guess I just stumbled across the Facebook thread and as people

2567
03:32:27,880 --> 03:32:33,880
bragging about how I have double digit tickets now and I'm never going to pay them.

2568
03:32:34,600 --> 03:32:38,700
It's just people that are talking about going, you know, you're having to get gold 10 miles

2569
03:32:39,220 --> 03:32:45,720
over to get these tickets. So it's just what are we going to do about this situation if there's

2570
03:32:45,720 --> 03:32:50,540
no consequences to getting these tickets. That's all I kind of wanted to bring up.

2571
03:32:50,540 --> 03:32:54,460
Hopefully we call this an idea as to remedy the situation.

2572
03:32:55,560 --> 03:32:56,660
Thank you.

2573
03:32:58,540 --> 03:33:01,620
Mervin Tillden, followed by Janine Malone.

2574
03:33:11,300 --> 03:33:12,560
Mr. Gerer, one second please.

2575
03:33:12,860 --> 03:33:13,180
Councillor Roberts?

2576
03:33:13,580 --> 03:33:15,260
Thank you Mr. Vice President.

2577
03:33:15,300 --> 03:33:19,200
I just want to be an admin to speak to that because I also saw the same thread.

2578
03:33:19,820 --> 03:33:23,540
And there are consequences for not paying your automatic speed tickets.

2579
03:33:24,160 --> 03:33:26,980
So do we know what those consequences are?

2580
03:33:27,500 --> 03:33:30,180
I do, but just wanting to.

2581
03:33:30,180 --> 03:33:32,860
for the public to make sure they know that there are consequences.

2582
03:33:33,720 --> 03:33:39,000
Mr. Vice President, Councillor Rogers, there are steps, obviously, of consequences. I won't

2583
03:33:39,000 --> 03:33:46,320
get them in the right order off the top of my head, but there are consequences that we follow

2584
03:33:46,320 --> 03:33:49,000
and we'd have happy to provide you those answers.

2585
03:33:50,900 --> 03:33:55,040
Thank you, Madam President. So, yes, I think it would be good because we'll try to educate the

2586
03:33:55,040 --> 03:34:02,220
So what I remember of the consequences are the feet goes up if you don't pay them after a certain amount of time

2587
03:34:02,680 --> 03:34:07,040
You get pulled over and you see we see you know police officer sees all of those

2588
03:34:07,040 --> 03:34:09,220
They can use them. They can boot your vehicle

2589
03:34:09,740 --> 03:34:14,020
if you're in a parking meter and let's say your parking meter runs out

2590
03:34:14,020 --> 03:34:17,480
They look up your license plate and see that they can boot your vehicle

2591
03:34:17,480 --> 03:34:23,540
Which then you would have to pay all of those tickets on top of the booting fee to get your car unbooted

2592
03:34:23,540 --> 03:34:33,640
And then finally, it also is referred over to court as well after a certain threshold and then we'll go on collections as well.

2593
03:34:34,300 --> 03:34:39,420
So there are lots of different consequences for not paying your automatic speed tickets.

2594
03:34:39,860 --> 03:34:41,680
This council did add.

2595
03:34:41,680 --> 03:34:50,180
I was happy to sponsor one of those amendments to add that you can volunteer for four hours at any of the list of events.

2596
03:34:50,180 --> 03:34:59,860
We had it for Juneteenth. We had about 48 volunteers that were there to pay off their automatic speed tickets. I've never had so many volunteers for an event and so if you're not

2597
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:05,000
People to pay for that, you can volunteer at a city event that's listed on the website, and you

2598
03:35:05,000 --> 03:35:09,800
won't have to pay your fee. But there are consequences, so just wanted to put that out there.

2599
03:35:10,080 --> 03:35:13,020
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I appreciate you homering me on that.

2600
03:35:14,760 --> 03:35:15,260
Mr. Croix.

2601
03:35:15,880 --> 03:35:16,860
Thank you, Mr. President.

2602
03:35:17,080 --> 03:35:20,020
Damien Malone, followed by Dale Crants.

2603
03:35:31,880 --> 03:35:36,440
Okay. My name is Damien Malone. I'm a member of IOTC423.

2604
03:35:36,440 --> 03:35:41,080
I represent stage connections and skilled workers who make events and concerts.

2605
03:35:41,820 --> 03:35:46,420
Public gatherings, I'm here regarding a recently approved amphitheater project

2606
03:35:46,420 --> 03:35:49,940
at 1500 Desert Circle located behind Rebel.

2607
03:35:50,320 --> 03:35:53,340
I want to be clear at the outset, I'm not here to oppose the project.

2608
03:35:53,400 --> 03:35:55,820
I'm here to ask that this project moves forward,

2609
03:35:56,240 --> 03:35:59,560
CDLators and the public key forkers at the center of this discussion.

2610
03:35:59,980 --> 03:36:04,700
I work with NRG in the beginning of I started in 98 and in 2024,

2611
03:36:04,700 --> 03:36:10,540
I was removed from work from the company without a phone call, former notice or explanation.

2612
03:36:11,200 --> 03:36:12,660
I was simply taking off the work app.

2613
03:36:12,980 --> 03:36:17,900
Before workers began using NRG paid minimum wage to the workers.

2614
03:36:19,160 --> 03:36:23,440
And in my experience, if you ever asked for a raise, you were let go.

2615
03:36:23,820 --> 03:36:29,760
NRG also moved employees from W2 status to 1099 status without permission or notice.

2616
03:36:30,700 --> 03:36:33,620
Despite these obstacles, we did unionize it.

2617
03:36:33,620 --> 03:36:36,480
And Danny has not gotten to the table with us.

2618
03:36:36,620 --> 03:36:38,860
We just wanted to put that out there to you guys

2619
03:36:38,860 --> 03:36:41,080
to keep an eye on it, keep an eye on Danny,

2620
03:36:41,660 --> 03:36:44,200
and help the workers fleece.

2621
03:36:44,460 --> 03:36:45,380
Thank you.

2622
03:36:47,450 --> 03:36:50,370
Dale Cranz, followed by Sylvia Rommels.

2623
03:36:59,010 --> 03:37:02,350
Sylvia Rommels, followed by Jessie Erinberg.

2624
03:37:05,460 --> 03:37:07,560
Missed by President and Counselors,

2625
03:37:07,700 --> 03:37:09,300
I am Sylvia Rommels Cruz.

2626
03:37:09,660 --> 03:37:11,800
I live in historic Old Town and Servant

2627
03:37:11,800 --> 03:37:14,140
the Board of the Historical Town Association.

2628
03:37:14,140 --> 03:37:20,700
I am here to speak in support of the portal market program and its artisan vendors.

2629
03:37:21,740 --> 03:37:26,640
Or the past few years the program has deteriorated beginning with the elimination of the

2630
03:37:26,640 --> 03:37:32,200
portal manager position that had been funded by the Arts and Culture Department until late

2631
03:37:32,200 --> 03:37:33,320
2023.

2632
03:37:34,340 --> 03:37:39,880
That deterioration culminated in October 2025 with the overnight on authorized replacement

2633
03:37:39,880 --> 03:37:46,760
of windows with windows with doors and La Placita on the whose portals, several generations

2634
03:37:46,760 --> 03:37:50,760
of artists have sat vending their wares and earning their living.

2635
03:37:51,480 --> 03:37:54,000
Lastly, a few months ago, again over and back.

2636
03:37:55,160 --> 03:37:55,740
I apologize.

2637
03:37:56,580 --> 03:38:03,220
Vice Chair, the issue with the door and involvement of portals is something very well

2638
03:38:03,220 --> 03:38:03,860
to the land.

2639
03:38:04,240 --> 03:38:07,120
Mark condition could be a cause I'd usually come up.

2640
03:38:07,480 --> 03:38:14,500
Again, as I explained earlier, the council wants to make sure they stay safe in this situation.

2641
03:38:14,980 --> 03:38:15,560
I understand.

2642
03:38:15,900 --> 03:38:19,880
We can hear it fully and be able to voice and vote on that issue.

2643
03:38:20,540 --> 03:38:23,020
So we don't want to jeopardize that with any comments made.

2644
03:38:23,280 --> 03:38:29,720
So if you could adjust your comments not to speak of the details of that issue.

2645
03:38:29,720 --> 03:38:36,520
Okay, so I am respectfully asking the Council to restore order to this historic cultural,

2646
03:38:36,660 --> 03:38:42,420
generational, and financially viable market in Old Town by returning the vendors to their

2647
03:38:42,420 --> 03:38:48,040
ordained spaces and re-instituting the position of Portown Manager for the program.

2648
03:38:48,340 --> 03:38:48,780
Thank you, Madam.

2649
03:38:48,780 --> 03:38:50,040
Thank you.

2650
03:38:51,420 --> 03:38:54,460
You see, Erin Burd, followed by Roger Belderz.

2651
03:38:55,200 --> 03:38:58,160
Again, if this is this motion please,

2652
03:38:58,380 --> 03:38:59,640
tread lightly, sir, please.

2653
03:39:00,160 --> 03:39:03,520
If I tread on something please stop me.

2654
03:39:03,980 --> 03:39:05,660
And if it's helpful, Vice Chair,

2655
03:39:06,700 --> 03:39:10,520
the issues with the ordinance and the manager,

2656
03:39:10,860 --> 03:39:14,520
it's unrelated to the issue with the door and the window.

2657
03:39:14,960 --> 03:39:20,620
So it's just anything related to what was in front of the landmark commission

2658
03:39:20,620 --> 03:39:30,920
would be. I think I'm good. Awesome. The decision made, I'm sorry, Vice President Council.

2659
03:39:32,100 --> 03:39:38,640
The decision made to eliminate the highly trained position of Old Town Quartal Manager,

2660
03:39:39,440 --> 03:39:47,660
which left the Portal vendors with no one to manage and enforce the rules without any

2661
03:39:47,660 --> 03:39:51,940
without any direct communication with the city itself.

2662
03:39:53,160 --> 03:39:54,320
When the new,

2663
03:39:58,240 --> 03:39:59,980
I probably can't do that.

2664
03:40:00,600 --> 03:40:07,840
I'd just have to leave that. Thank you. I appreciate it. And folks, again, I really want to emphasize, I know there's some frustrations.

2665
03:40:10,880 --> 03:40:21,600
We just want to make sure that we can, this council can, can be effective when this comes in front of us or if it comes in front of us, that we have all the abilities at hand to make a good sound decision.

2666
03:40:21,600 --> 03:40:30,020
Okay, so we don't want to jeopardize any of that. So it's frustrating as it is. This isn't the right venue when this comes up in front, then perhaps that will be the time.

2667
03:40:30,740 --> 03:40:31,840
Thank you.

2668
03:40:34,550 --> 03:40:38,450
Roger Valdez, followed by Janet Sators, on Zoom.

2669
03:40:40,190 --> 03:40:52,750
Vice President, members of the Council, I'm Roger Valdez with the Center for Housing and Economics, speaking on behalf of the Cottages at 161 Chama, a 20 unit affordable cottage project in the International District.

2670
03:40:52,750 --> 03:41:00,390
So I want to thank Councillor Rogers and Councillor Grout for introducing resolution 51.

2671
03:41:01,050 --> 03:41:08,010
This will be an allocation of capital outlay that will completely fund the project and

2672
03:41:08,010 --> 03:41:13,550
will make the city a partner with 18 state legislature legislators who funded the project

2673
03:41:13,550 --> 03:41:14,870
through capital outlay.

2674
03:41:15,350 --> 03:41:20,330
The governor who put in additional funding and the county who is acting as the fiscal agent.

2675
03:41:20,330 --> 03:41:30,750
So we're grateful to all of you for considering this and hopefully supporting it, and we hope to have you at the ribbon cutting in next May or June

2676
03:41:30,750 --> 03:41:36,330
That's our target, and we are looking forward to having you there. Thank you for the help and the support

2677
03:41:38,270 --> 03:41:38,830
Thank

2678
03:41:41,480 --> 03:41:42,040
you

2679
03:41:42,040 --> 03:41:45,020
Janet Sayers, followed by Sarah Aziba

2680
03:42:00,320 --> 03:42:03,280
Janet Sayers, followed by Sarah Aziba

2681
03:42:06,100 --> 03:42:10,280
Yes, good. Can you hear me okay?

2682
03:42:10,600 --> 03:42:11,260
We can hear you, John.

2683
03:42:12,100 --> 03:42:13,100
Thank you so much.

2684
03:42:13,540 --> 03:42:15,620
Yes, good evening, Mr. Vice President.

2685
03:42:16,140 --> 03:42:17,240
Members of the Council.

2686
03:42:18,040 --> 03:42:21,720
And I'm Janet Sayers, a resident district nine.

2687
03:42:22,260 --> 03:42:26,480
But I also advocate for the Del Norte High School

2688
03:42:26,480 --> 03:42:31,500
Cluster of Schools, which are in District 4 and District 7.

2689
03:42:31,940 --> 03:42:33,620
The first thing I'd like to say is

2690
03:42:33,620 --> 03:42:40,520
Thank you again for the time and effort that you all put in, serving your individual districts.

2691
03:42:42,080 --> 03:42:47,760
You're the residents, the neighbors, the neighborhoods, the businesses, the churches.

2692
03:42:48,540 --> 03:42:54,560
It's a very big job that you have a very big and challenging job, and I do appreciate it.

2693
03:42:54,880 --> 03:43:01,660
Lastly, I am also here tonight in my role as Chairperson of the Unified City County Library Advisory Board.

2694
03:43:01,660 --> 03:43:10,080
we are once again starting our education process, regarding the highest priority, which is

2695
03:43:10,080 --> 03:43:15,000
to replace the HVAC system at the Main Library.

2696
03:43:15,400 --> 03:43:19,860
We did not reach the finish line last year, and we are hoping to meet it again, that we

2697
03:43:19,860 --> 03:43:21,140
are hoping to meet it this year.

2698
03:43:21,600 --> 03:43:22,560
Thank you very much.

2699
03:43:24,420 --> 03:43:28,100
Sarah Azivo, followed by a walking Montoya.

2700
03:43:30,500 --> 03:43:35,420
Thank you, Mr. Cornel, yes. Good evening, Council Vice President, City Counselors.

2701
03:43:36,360 --> 03:43:44,200
In 1991, the front page of Albuquerque Street News read New Mexico on track to begin abolishing homelessness.

2702
03:43:45,560 --> 03:43:58,700
Yet today, the City continues to spend public money just placing people, citing them for resting anywhere in public, even on 100-degree days, creating a homeless court to manage citations and circulating people through shelters.

2703
03:43:59,440 --> 03:44:13,280
Nearly 35 years later, in 2024, enough, that's 35, I'm sorry, 50 unhoused people in pets were displaced from Utah Chico, into a city funded hotel voucher program that offered no services.

2704
03:44:14,160 --> 03:44:16,700
Three months later, they were sent back out to live on the streets.

2705
03:44:16,700 --> 03:44:23,400
In 2025, the city pursued an expensive legal battle to remove 20 people and $3 from quirky

2706
03:44:23,400 --> 03:44:28,580
used books, parking lot, with the only option offered being up to 90 days in emergency

2707
03:44:28,580 --> 03:44:31,100
shelter that didn't accommodate their needs.

2708
03:44:32,180 --> 03:44:38,500
Meanwhile, hotel-based recovery centers are showing up, showing us what support can look like.

2709
03:44:38,960 --> 03:44:42,940
People who have been displaced or cycle through the shelter system are experiencing healing,

2710
03:44:42,940 --> 03:44:48,040
and success with up to seven months in private rooms with private bathrooms, meals, recovery

2711
03:44:48,040 --> 03:44:53,780
services, time to clear warrants, pursue their education, create art, find work, and move

2712
03:44:53,780 --> 03:44:58,800
toward housing. One center is made impossible for disabled mother and son to remain together

2713
03:44:58,800 --> 03:44:59,980
while receiving support.

2714
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:03,060
Mayor, finding a job in shaping a path toward housing.

2715
03:45:03,360 --> 03:45:05,000
Thank you, Mayor. Your time is up.

2716
03:45:05,280 --> 03:45:07,880
Please support these centers. Thank you.

2717
03:45:08,200 --> 03:45:11,140
Joaquin Montoya, followed by Benjamin Bean.

2718
03:45:15,070 --> 03:45:17,910
My name is Joaquin Montoya, and I'm a resident of Albuquerque.

2719
03:45:18,670 --> 03:45:21,070
I am speaking on behalf of Deflock New Mexico.

2720
03:45:21,550 --> 03:45:26,050
I'm here to raise concerns about APD's automatic license plate recognition system.

2721
03:45:26,050 --> 03:45:34,370
Specifically, genetic APL, APLR network, integrated APD's real-time crime center, APD operates

2722
03:45:34,370 --> 03:45:42,690
over 100 APL cameras that are that store every residence plate location data for 365 days

2723
03:45:42,690 --> 03:45:46,430
with no warrant, no suspicion, or no meaningful oversight.

2724
03:45:47,030 --> 03:45:53,310
The governing policy that was last updated was in April 2016 over a decade ago, and

2725
03:45:53,310 --> 03:45:57,450
was only itself a slight revision of the 2020-2012 policy.

2726
03:45:58,170 --> 03:46:01,610
The technology that technology now has far moved,

2727
03:46:01,610 --> 03:46:04,810
has moved far beyond the rules of mental governance.

2728
03:46:05,830 --> 03:46:09,150
The system does, it doesn't just replay its attacks movement.

2729
03:46:09,450 --> 03:46:12,090
It crosses cross-reficent social media,

2730
03:46:12,330 --> 03:46:14,310
commercial data brokers, federal databases,

2731
03:46:15,010 --> 03:46:17,750
that builds the detailed picture of where you go,

2732
03:46:17,750 --> 03:46:22,250
when it, and how often, without your knowledge or consent,

2733
03:46:23,510 --> 03:46:27,150
I also want to flag in 2025 a critical security vulnerability

2734
03:46:27,150 --> 03:46:30,570
was publicly disposed in Genetech Security Center.

2735
03:46:30,630 --> 03:46:36,390
They exact platform APD uses with the severity score of 9.8 out of 10.

2736
03:46:36,730 --> 03:46:40,010
APD has not publicly confirmed whether the system

2737
03:46:40,010 --> 03:46:40,970
has been attached.

2738
03:46:41,350 --> 03:46:45,170
When you're storing a year of location data of hundreds of thousands

2739
03:46:45,170 --> 03:46:46,430
of visitors, thank you so much.

2740
03:46:46,430 --> 03:46:48,290
your time is up.

2741
03:46:52,370 --> 03:46:53,050
Benjamin B.

2742
03:46:55,120 --> 03:47:01,280
Good evening Vice President and Councillor's. I'm actually talking about the same thing. So first

2743
03:47:01,280 --> 03:47:05,960
thank you Councillor Torres for looking into this. I'm glad we're not using flock. I wish we weren't

2744
03:47:05,960 --> 03:47:12,100
using any system. These are reasons why you should and should not support automatic license plate

2745
03:47:12,100 --> 03:47:17,960
patron is first law enforcement can do to more with less money. That's great but I trust that

2746
03:47:17,960 --> 03:47:23,580
police officers who have been doing their job for so long without these can continue to do their job,

2747
03:47:23,700 --> 03:47:28,380
especially when they're funded at three times the rate of the next most funded department.

2748
03:47:30,140 --> 03:47:36,280
And again, like the previous person was saying, this is not, this data is not limited to local police.

2749
03:47:37,560 --> 03:47:44,360
Anybody can access this data and maybe that's not intentional. Maybe it's a security breach.

2750
03:47:45,140 --> 03:47:52,240
There is no perfect security, even if you have perfect security, you have people involved, and that data is going to get out.

2751
03:47:53,000 --> 03:47:54,560
Also, this is great.

2752
03:47:54,860 --> 03:47:57,680
I'm in support of cameras for some things like speeding.

2753
03:47:58,200 --> 03:48:01,720
But could we take care of the cars that don't have license plates?

2754
03:48:02,200 --> 03:48:03,260
That would be fabulous.

2755
03:48:03,980 --> 03:48:05,020
Thank you very much.

2756
03:48:06,220 --> 03:48:06,780
Thank you.

2757
03:48:07,200 --> 03:48:09,900
Mr. Vice President, that concludes general public comment.

2758
03:48:10,600 --> 03:48:11,660
Thank you, Mr. Perneus.

2759
03:48:11,760 --> 03:48:12,920
We'll move on to approvals.

2760
03:48:14,280 --> 03:48:25,800
EC-126 approval of the first, first supplemental agreement to add funds for outside council legal services between modules perling in the city of Elbuquerque, move for approval.

2761
03:48:27,240 --> 03:48:29,140
Second, invite committee of the whole ground.

2762
03:48:31,250 --> 03:48:33,150
Don't believe there's anybody signed up to speak.

2763
03:48:33,290 --> 03:48:34,370
Councillor, do you have any questions?

2764
03:48:35,810 --> 03:48:36,630
Comments, concerns?

2765
03:48:44,930 --> 03:48:49,710
All those in favor of EC-126, raise your hands, say yes?

2766
03:48:50,650 --> 03:48:51,290
Yes?

2767
03:48:51,950 --> 03:48:52,250
Post?

2768
03:48:54,380 --> 03:48:54,700
All right.

2769
03:48:54,940 --> 03:48:55,280
That passes.

2770
03:49:03,130 --> 03:49:05,570
Now we move on to EC-210.

2771
03:49:05,610 --> 03:49:06,330
Councilor Febucord.

2772
03:49:06,730 --> 03:49:08,110
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

2773
03:49:08,930 --> 03:49:13,290
EC-210 is approval of the Development Agreement for the Uptown Connect Affordable

2774
03:49:13,290 --> 03:49:17,430
Housing Project with Family Housing Development Corporation to utilize workforce housing

2775
03:49:17,430 --> 03:49:21,530
dress funds and state capital outlay funding towards the new construction of a

2776
03:49:21,530 --> 03:49:23,790
multifamily rental housing project.

2777
03:49:24,190 --> 03:49:24,730
I move approval.

2778
03:49:26,650 --> 03:49:32,050
I have a motion for approval in a second by Councillor TAS.

2779
03:49:36,300 --> 03:49:36,840
Open your remarks.

2780
03:49:37,340 --> 03:49:38,500
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

2781
03:49:39,180 --> 03:49:42,480
So I appreciate everybody supporting getting this through quickly tonight.

2782
03:49:42,500 --> 03:49:44,580
This was introduced on the last letter of introduction.

2783
03:49:45,240 --> 03:49:47,060
But was not heard at FGO.

2784
03:49:47,360 --> 03:49:50,040
I don't think it made it to the list of the administrations priorities.

2785
03:49:50,360 --> 03:49:52,740
Not sure why because it really should be.

2786
03:49:52,780 --> 03:49:56,760
This is needed to move forward this month so that we can continue

2787
03:49:56,760 --> 03:49:59,860
closing on our raised grants for the uptown.

2788
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:09,480
Connect affordable housing project and make sure that we get that project completed as soon as possible because I need this affordable housing.

2789
03:50:09,840 --> 03:50:11,880
I'm happy to answer any questions.

2790
03:50:12,380 --> 03:50:17,340
Councillor's any questions? Comments? Mr. Cornelis, we believe we have one speaker.

2791
03:50:18,780 --> 03:50:23,140
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I'll bring in Benjamin Bean.

2792
03:50:31,780 --> 03:50:36,140
good evening Vice President and councillors. Good to talk to you again.

2793
03:50:37,940 --> 03:50:40,700
So I would ask that you please support this project.

2794
03:50:41,380 --> 03:50:48,960
This is an excellent opportunity to provide more housing for people who can't afford it at the currently high housing prices.

2795
03:50:49,480 --> 03:50:50,700
Everybody needs shelter.

2796
03:50:52,080 --> 03:50:58,000
And amongst all the benefits that this is going to bring, it's going to be one small piece of

2797
03:50:58,000 --> 03:51:02,200
using homelessness now per turkey by providing shelter at an affordable rate.

2798
03:51:03,340 --> 03:51:09,000
This is going to be more housing generally, which is the number one contributor to

2799
03:51:09,820 --> 03:51:16,040
un affordable housing in an area is a lack of housing, and so the prices go up.

2800
03:51:17,220 --> 03:51:21,360
This is going to be density and an appropriate location. It's going to be right next to

2801
03:51:21,360 --> 03:51:24,660
transportation shops and services that are all within easy reach.

2802
03:51:24,660 --> 03:51:40,600
It's going to be significantly better use of a transportation hub than empty parking lots, making use of increased use of existing trains that seems like the obvious thing to me.

2803
03:51:40,960 --> 03:51:41,540
Thank you, guys.

2804
03:51:43,160 --> 03:51:43,880
Thank you, Mr. President.

2805
03:51:44,020 --> 03:51:44,780
That concludes comment.

2806
03:51:45,560 --> 03:51:46,360
Thank you, administration.

2807
03:51:47,080 --> 03:51:48,320
The big comments.

2808
03:51:49,100 --> 03:51:49,160
Chairman.

2809
03:51:51,220 --> 03:51:52,980
Thank you, Mr. President.

2810
03:51:52,980 --> 03:51:55,460
This is an incredibly important project.

2811
03:51:55,740 --> 03:52:14,580
It's been a partnership between Councillor Fibilgorn, the developer, and as we all know the information that the transit department has put into this project is related to ensuring that we have a transit focused development for housing.

2812
03:52:14,580 --> 03:52:38,400
It's a very exciting project that we have seen examples in other cities where, when you build housing adjacent to transit, you can actually enable really productive household opportunities that both reduce the cost of living as well as put us in a position to maximize use of other city assets to move people to jobs and other activities.

2813
03:52:38,400 --> 03:52:48,820
This is as Council of People Court indicated connected to the federal raise grant that we have received and as you all know,

2814
03:52:48,900 --> 03:52:54,140
HHH and transit have been working together on this project to move it forward with as a priority.

2815
03:52:54,840 --> 03:53:03,520
So this allocation of funding is really critical for the final piece to put all of these together so the development agreement can be entered into.

2816
03:53:04,540 --> 03:53:06,380
Thank you, Mayor of CAO.

2817
03:53:06,640 --> 03:53:08,800
Councilor, is there any questions for this sponsored?

2818
03:53:09,660 --> 03:53:10,160
Councilor Lewis.

2819
03:53:10,840 --> 03:53:11,560
Just a little quick.

2820
03:53:11,960 --> 03:53:13,560
I'm just interested why it wasn't heard enough to you.

2821
03:53:14,580 --> 03:53:16,680
Oh, thank you.

2822
03:53:17,100 --> 03:53:17,860
Mr. Vice President.

2823
03:53:18,960 --> 03:53:19,820
I don't know.

2824
03:53:20,040 --> 03:53:24,780
It was on the letter of introduction and it wasn't on the FGO agenda.

2825
03:53:25,260 --> 03:53:30,000
And so we asked and we were told that the administration had provided a list of things that

2826
03:53:30,000 --> 03:53:35,320
needed to be heard at FGO and my mind was not on there.

2827
03:53:35,900 --> 03:53:50,720
I don't know who makes that list or why my project would not be included, but obviously I think this is a very important project that I really want to move forward on the timeframe that we've worked so hard with the developer to get to this point.

2828
03:53:50,720 --> 03:53:52,000
Ms. Montoya.

2829
03:53:52,960 --> 03:53:57,320
Madam President, are Mr. President to have an answer to the question.

2830
03:53:58,540 --> 03:54:01,500
That item was not on the FGO,

2831
03:54:01,840 --> 03:54:03,560
because when it was submitted by administration,

2832
03:54:04,480 --> 03:54:06,960
they did not specify that that needed to be heard immediately.

2833
03:54:07,720 --> 03:54:11,640
Like multiple other items had to have that notation on there.

2834
03:54:13,110 --> 03:54:13,970
Councilor Lewis.

2835
03:54:14,410 --> 03:54:15,630
I just want to make sure it was for the record.

2836
03:54:15,790 --> 03:54:17,450
I didn't keep it from going to FGO.

2837
03:54:18,650 --> 03:54:21,010
Mr. Vice President, I did not mean to imply.

2838
03:54:21,010 --> 03:54:21,750
No, no, no, no.

2839
03:54:21,770 --> 03:54:22,530
It's from you.

2840
03:54:22,990 --> 03:54:26,750
I truly believe that there was a list from the administration and for some reason this did not

2841
03:54:26,750 --> 03:54:27,670
make it on to that list.

2842
03:54:27,890 --> 03:54:31,870
And I don't, for the record, like that list, or I think it should exist, I think everything

2843
03:54:31,870 --> 03:54:34,230
should get moved forward at the same pace.

2844
03:54:34,470 --> 03:54:36,670
Does it say for the record as the administration's fall?

2845
03:54:36,890 --> 03:54:37,130
So, all right.

2846
03:54:37,130 --> 03:54:37,450
Thank you.

2847
03:54:37,730 --> 03:54:39,170
Just do you know that?

2848
03:54:39,250 --> 03:54:39,630
It's good.

2849
03:54:39,810 --> 03:54:40,430
I'm joking.

2850
03:54:41,330 --> 03:54:43,610
I'm not going to give you a chance to comment on that.

2851
03:54:45,170 --> 03:54:45,650
I'm kidding.

2852
03:54:46,890 --> 03:54:47,490
Go ahead.

2853
03:54:48,330 --> 03:54:50,610
Thank you, Mr. Vice President and

2854
03:54:52,330 --> 03:54:59,970
When we send down, I mean, this is a procedural process, when we send down if we have something that has to be executed by a specific time.

2855
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:09,240
We do ask for either hold over media action or other items. It does not mean that the items that don't have that are not important to us.

2856
03:55:09,580 --> 03:55:16,320
It's simply that we try to make sure we give notation if there is an urgency that it has to be executed by a specific date.

2857
03:55:16,900 --> 03:55:28,700
And I think, in this case, we felt that the regular of schedule would meet our requirements and appreciate that the Councillor has prioritized it by no means are we going to ever argue when something can get done quickly

2858
03:55:29,420 --> 03:55:32,180
and especially something of the great magnitude.

2859
03:55:32,880 --> 03:55:35,460
Councillor Davis, thank you, Mr. Vice President.

2860
03:55:35,960 --> 03:55:39,160
So that is the Council President's decision though, correct?

2861
03:55:39,860 --> 03:55:43,680
I mean, the Council President gets requests from the administration

2862
03:55:43,680 --> 03:55:47,020
and the Council President could decide whether it's held over,

2863
03:55:47,420 --> 03:55:50,380
so really would come from a, it would be a request by the administration

2864
03:55:50,380 --> 03:55:51,840
to the President, correct?

2865
03:55:52,080 --> 03:55:55,040
And the President has discretion in that regard.

2866
03:55:55,940 --> 03:55:57,780
So would that be my correct on that?

2867
03:56:00,600 --> 03:56:06,360
Mr. Vice President, Councillor Lewis, it is under the rules to the discretion of the President,

2868
03:56:06,960 --> 03:56:12,100
but I think, every since I've been in this job, all the Council presidents have kind

2869
03:56:12,100 --> 03:56:17,540
of followed the lead of the administration in a lab, use yourself, and you'll add stuff

2870
03:56:17,540 --> 03:56:19,040
for holdover stuff like that.

2871
03:56:19,500 --> 03:56:23,500
So although it is the discretion of the Council for the most part, I mean the Council President

2872
03:56:23,500 --> 03:56:24,860
for the most part, they do follow it.

2873
03:56:24,980 --> 03:56:30,580
I will also point out that I believe this letter of introduction probably had about

2874
03:56:30,580 --> 03:56:36,220
50 different pieces of legislation, so the administration did have a lot of stuff coming in,

2875
03:56:36,340 --> 03:56:38,360
so just wanted to point that out as well.

2876
03:56:38,760 --> 03:56:39,000
Yeah, I'm surprised.

2877
03:56:39,240 --> 03:56:40,100
Yeah, nobody did anything wrong.

2878
03:56:40,640 --> 03:56:45,260
I mean, it's just the president's decision on whether it goes down to you or whether

2879
03:56:45,260 --> 03:56:46,860
it's held over or anything like that.

2880
03:56:46,880 --> 03:56:48,380
Nothing wrong with making that request either.

2881
03:56:49,220 --> 03:56:50,160
Thank you, Mr. West.

2882
03:56:52,480 --> 03:56:57,100
Councils, we do have a motion for approval and a second and further questions comments.

2883
03:56:57,100 --> 03:57:02,160
Seeing none, all those in favor of the approval, raise your hand, say yes?

2884
03:57:02,340 --> 03:57:02,460
Yes.

2885
03:57:04,200 --> 03:57:04,460
Post.

2886
03:57:12,050 --> 03:57:13,550
On to final actions.

2887
03:57:14,870 --> 03:57:17,090
Baka, grab and Rogers, who wants to go?

2888
03:57:18,150 --> 03:57:18,870
Councillor Bokke.

2889
03:57:19,010 --> 03:57:19,970
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

2890
03:57:20,210 --> 03:57:24,450
Oh, 50 amending the public purchases ordinance related to the definition of social services

2891
03:57:24,450 --> 03:57:27,450
and department references and directing the city update information accordingly.

2892
03:57:27,530 --> 03:57:28,730
I move due paths.

2893
03:57:29,170 --> 03:57:29,930
I can't.

2894
03:57:30,150 --> 03:57:32,170
We have a motion for a due pass by.

2895
03:57:32,170 --> 03:57:36,130
in a second by Councillor Rogers.

2896
03:57:37,670 --> 03:57:40,890
Mr. Bunker, or one of you don't think you Mr. VP.

2897
03:57:42,590 --> 03:57:44,590
Yeah, this is allowing the city to contract.

2898
03:57:44,670 --> 03:57:48,130
Currently, the city only contracts with nonprofits on social services.

2899
03:57:48,930 --> 03:57:51,170
This would allow them to contract with four profits.

2900
03:57:51,510 --> 03:57:54,530
I think what we've found, at least in my time here,

2901
03:57:55,090 --> 03:57:56,790
is while some of the nonprofits do good work.

2902
03:57:57,270 --> 03:57:59,530
Some of them have a lot to be lacking.

2903
03:58:00,390 --> 03:58:12,530
This will allow a, allow a larger pull to pull for RFPs, but be also provide a little incentive for some of the existing nonprofits to step it up.

2904
03:58:13,490 --> 03:58:13,570
Yeah.

2905
03:58:15,230 --> 03:58:15,510
Thank you.

2906
03:58:15,650 --> 03:58:16,810
We have one public comment.

2907
03:58:18,050 --> 03:58:19,090
Thank you Mr. Vice President.

2908
03:58:19,190 --> 03:58:21,150
We have Ted, human scheme to come.

2909
03:58:53,420 --> 03:59:03,080
Okay, my end, my end, my end, my end, this or the end is about corrupted non-profile.

2910
03:59:03,080 --> 03:59:12,060
There is what they change in counsel, that nothing,

2911
03:59:14,180 --> 03:59:18,140
not something, because it's something,

2912
03:59:18,440 --> 03:59:22,140
nothing for nothing, another word.

2913
03:59:22,700 --> 03:59:30,920
They are not doing anything, corrupt exist, and all of this will be with this non-profits,

2914
03:59:30,920 --> 03:59:35,240
because they want nobody overseas them.

2915
03:59:37,470 --> 03:59:44,390
I love public to know, read that more agendas.

2916
03:59:46,830 --> 03:59:54,260
Now, what I was talking about, one neighborhood and another, while downtown,

2917
03:59:54,260 --> 03:59:59,960
this soul, nasty, as all of this being.

2918
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:16,420
Yes, because it's neighborhood. I mean, there's a sheet, city leadership above all. And city control, this real state.

2919
04:00:21,600 --> 04:00:30,900
Thank you, Mr. Clinton. We're back on the bill. Councils, questions? Councils are growing.

2920
04:00:30,900 --> 04:00:32,740
Yeah, you are a council broker. Sorry.

2921
04:00:34,280 --> 04:00:39,740
Excuse me. Mr. Vice President, can I ask Ms. Bradley to go over and describe what this

2922
04:00:39,740 --> 04:00:40,740
ordinance does?

2923
04:00:43,550 --> 04:00:43,930
Ms. Bradley?

2924
04:00:44,930 --> 04:00:44,990
Yes.

2925
04:00:44,990 --> 04:00:45,230
It's all right.

2926
04:00:45,430 --> 04:00:46,590
Getting technology straight.

2927
04:00:47,270 --> 04:00:49,150
Vice President Champlain, Councilor Grout.

2928
04:00:50,050 --> 04:00:52,110
So we worked for.

2929
04:00:53,470 --> 04:00:56,990
With Councillor Baca for a while to streamline some of the.

2930
04:00:56,990 --> 04:00:59,550
Ornances in the city, some of the processes in the city.

2931
04:00:59,550 --> 04:01:04,830
surrounding affordable housing and in conjunction with the department.

2932
04:01:05,470 --> 04:01:09,810
And so one of the things that we looked at was

2933
04:01:09,810 --> 04:01:13,490
broadening the definition of social services in the purchasing

2934
04:01:13,490 --> 04:01:19,250
ordinance to make sure that there's a bigger pool of people to respond to our

2935
04:01:19,250 --> 04:01:29,530
piece. So that was, and this was one piece of a big picture of a lot of

2936
04:01:29,530 --> 04:01:37,690
part of this bill is also for us to work with the department to look at other regulations

2937
04:01:37,690 --> 04:01:43,810
of administrative instructions, policies, other ordinances in the city, and further streamlined

2938
04:01:43,810 --> 04:01:45,970
based on this broad and deaf edition.

2939
04:01:49,290 --> 04:01:49,910
Councillor Growell.

2940
04:01:50,350 --> 04:01:50,570
Thank you.

2941
04:01:50,910 --> 04:01:53,470
No, thank you very much, Miss Bradley.

2942
04:01:54,750 --> 04:01:58,370
I think this is a great update to this ordinance.

2943
04:01:59,950 --> 04:02:03,530
This current ordinance is well-intentioned.

2944
04:02:03,650 --> 04:02:10,130
It was meant to expand the capacity of our non-profits and it did that, but I think that

2945
04:02:10,130 --> 04:02:16,810
they are maxed out and there's a lot of good for-profit social services providers who are

2946
04:02:16,810 --> 04:02:21,930
doing excellent work and treating addiction and mental illness.

2947
04:02:22,650 --> 04:02:27,510
And these companies know how to manage their resources and I'd like to partner with them so

2948
04:02:27,510 --> 04:02:32,510
the city can provide services, provide these services for people who couldn't afford

2949
04:02:32,510 --> 04:02:33,130
otherwise.

2950
04:02:34,170 --> 04:02:38,790
So I think we need to expand our capacity to help people, not limited, and that's why

2951
04:02:38,790 --> 04:02:40,750
I think this is a great change.

2952
04:02:41,570 --> 04:02:43,470
And I hope that you all will support it.

2953
04:02:44,450 --> 04:02:46,810
Robert, Councillor Zayn for the questions.

2954
04:02:47,590 --> 04:02:48,010
Councillor Baudkler.

2955
04:02:48,810 --> 04:02:48,990
Or?

2956
04:02:49,390 --> 04:02:49,530
Councillor Baudkler.

2957
04:02:50,090 --> 04:02:50,750
Thank you.

2958
04:02:50,910 --> 04:02:57,090
Mr. Vice President, my colleagues did it well, and I thank you, Bradley, for the additional

2959
04:02:57,090 --> 04:03:04,530
information. I will just say that this limits our debt current ordinance limits a social service

2960
04:03:04,530 --> 04:03:09,890
contract between the city and a non-profit or a public agency. And what that means is

2961
04:03:09,890 --> 04:03:16,630
only non-profits and government is eligible to contract with the city, whether by means

2962
04:03:16,630 --> 04:03:21,390
of an award or a competitive solicitation or standard contract issued under another procurement

2963
04:03:21,390 --> 04:03:29,630
method. This just allows us to be more nimble and not shrink who's able to help us with some

2964
04:03:29,630 --> 04:03:34,190
of the issues facing our city and not saying we have anything against nonprofits. They have

2965
04:03:34,190 --> 04:03:40,470
been carrying this work in our city and for a long time our economic development department didn't

2966
04:03:40,470 --> 04:03:46,510
even offer services to the nonprofits which now they are which I'm grateful for because that is

2967
04:03:46,510 --> 04:03:54,470
We have to help strengthen their capacity but we also have some very very big needs that for-profit businesses can also help us with.

2968
04:03:55,130 --> 04:04:04,790
So, doesn't take non-profit out of it, it just allows us to expand who can help us with some of these hard issues facing our city.

2969
04:04:04,910 --> 04:04:07,750
So, I urge your support. Thank you.

2970
04:04:07,750 --> 04:04:09,450
Thank you, Councillor Rogers.

2971
04:04:10,510 --> 04:04:11,390
See you in another.

2972
04:04:11,450 --> 04:04:13,810
All those in favor of.

2973
04:04:14,190 --> 04:04:14,510
Oh, 50.

2974
04:04:16,050 --> 04:04:17,450
Is your answer yes?

2975
04:04:19,070 --> 04:04:19,730
Those opposed.

2976
04:04:20,450 --> 04:04:21,230
All right, passes.

2977
04:04:23,380 --> 04:04:23,540
All right.

2978
04:04:23,760 --> 04:04:24,720
Council press on O-51.

2979
04:04:25,540 --> 04:04:32,240
Mr. Vice President O-51 adopting a zoning map amendment from N-R-S-U to N-R-L-M for approximately

2980
04:04:32,240 --> 04:04:37,800
and 165 acres, legally described as all or a portion of tract A,

2981
04:04:38,080 --> 04:04:41,240
plat of tract A, City of Albuquerque Water Treatment Facility

2982
04:04:41,240 --> 04:04:44,220
located at 6,000 Alexander Northeast and owned

2983
04:04:44,220 --> 04:04:47,580
by the Albuquerque Burnley County Water Utility Authority.

2984
04:04:47,600 --> 04:04:48,520
I move a due pass.

2985
04:04:50,600 --> 04:04:54,640
The motion for a due pass in a second on 051.

2986
04:05:01,650 --> 04:05:10,370
Now, O2651 is a quasi-judicial request which requires special procedures to allow the applicant staff and the public, the opportunity to speak.

2987
04:05:11,030 --> 04:05:20,650
This agenda item will proceed as follow. Council planning staff will present for five minutes. The applicants will present for ten minutes.

2988
04:05:20,650 --> 04:05:23,590
testimony by public speakers two minutes each.

2989
04:05:23,770 --> 04:05:30,830
Rebuttal by the applicant will be five minutes cross-examination by anyone who spoke during public comment.

2990
04:05:31,450 --> 04:05:33,010
We'll be limited to two minutes each.

2991
04:05:33,390 --> 04:05:38,730
Comments by the planning department if any for another five in the council planning staff closing comments.

2992
04:05:39,250 --> 04:05:44,750
If any for five minutes the city staff and the applicant must be sworn in.

2993
04:05:44,750 --> 04:05:51,870
So, if you are speaking to this matter as a staff member or an applicant, please raise your right hand.

2994
04:05:53,390 --> 04:05:55,750
I see one, two, three, four.

2995
04:05:57,750 --> 04:05:58,570
All right, I'll for view.

2996
04:05:58,630 --> 04:06:02,550
Do you affirm, under penalty, or perjury, that your testimony will be true.

2997
04:06:04,630 --> 04:06:06,010
I see all of you shaking your head.

2998
04:06:06,590 --> 04:06:10,750
Public speakers will be sworn in on an individual basis when we get to the portion of the hearing.

2999
04:06:10,750 --> 04:06:18,910
Mr. Delgado, please begin with your introduction and there should be like a time or like a day or something.

3000
04:06:20,870 --> 04:06:23,450
Vice President, Council, thank you very much.

3001
04:06:24,150 --> 04:06:32,250
So this item, oh 2651, is adopting a zoning map amendment city council per our integrated development ordinance.

3002
04:06:33,210 --> 04:06:39,730
It is requesting a zone change from non-residential special use to non-residential light manufacturing

3003
04:06:39,730 --> 04:06:52,090
for approximately 165 acres located at 6,000 Alexander Boulevard North East.

3004
04:06:52,450 --> 04:06:58,050
This site is owned by the Albuquerque Burnley County Water Utility Authority.

3005
04:07:01,730 --> 04:07:10,330
So as you see projected, the site is billinated in the Turquoise Boundary,

3006
04:07:19,040 --> 04:07:19,320
and as you

3007
04:07:19,320 --> 04:07:21,280
stated, this is a quasi-judicial item.

3008
04:07:23,460 --> 04:07:29,620
The council has pervy over certain ZMAs or zoning map amendments that pertain to certain

3009
04:07:29,620 --> 04:07:30,080
criteria.

3010
04:07:30,080 --> 04:07:38,700
So in this case any or 10 gross acres or more that are located in an area of consistency

3011
04:07:38,700 --> 04:07:46,600
require council council approval and as you can see projected on the screen the entirety of

3012
04:07:46,600 --> 04:07:51,540
the site is located in an area of consistency next slide please Garrett.

3013
04:07:54,580 --> 04:07:57,820
For current context land use in zoning,

3014
04:08:01,100 --> 04:08:05,600
the current zoning is non-residential special use.

3015
04:08:06,340 --> 04:08:09,540
There is currently a water treatment or treatment facility onsite.

3016
04:08:09,720 --> 04:08:24,560
However, our ideal considers that as a non-conforming primary use as that was

3017
04:08:24,560 --> 04:08:31,680
to non-residential light manufacturing that zone actually allows for major utility as a primary use on site.

3018
04:08:32,100 --> 04:08:38,560
And as you can see, it projected the surrounding zoning consists of non-residential business park,

3019
04:08:40,320 --> 04:08:48,010
non-residential, also more non-residential light manufacturing, which is the purple. Next slide, Garrett, please.

3020
04:08:49,640 --> 04:08:56,440
In terms of the notification requirements, so in accordance with our ideal procedures, all

3021
04:08:56,440 --> 04:09:02,740
neighborhood associations within 660 feet and all property owners within 100 feet of the

3022
04:09:02,740 --> 04:09:08,200
subject property were notified as required and that included the district board coalition

3023
04:09:08,200 --> 04:09:14,140
of neighborhood associations and the North Valley coalition, notification to Indian nations,

3024
04:09:14,140 --> 04:09:20,620
tribes and pueblos was not required for this request, as well as the staff were the applicant

3025
04:09:20,620 --> 04:09:22,620
received any public comment.

3026
04:09:24,240 --> 04:09:29,720
This item did go to the Environmental Planning Commission on May 21st, which they forwarded

3027
04:09:29,720 --> 04:09:32,900
about a recommendation of approval to the council.

3028
04:09:33,760 --> 04:09:39,200
In this has gone historically to the EPC for several requests.

3029
04:09:39,200 --> 04:09:58,080
So November 8th of 2018, the EBC approved a condition approved, made an approval, but it also imposed a condition of approval requiring the applicant to pursue a zoning map amendment to where the district could add major utility as in a lot of primary use.

3030
04:09:58,080 --> 04:09:59,980
Um, the applicant.

3031
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:15,180
And then we're back to the EPC for a site plan. And in April of 2026, and they also just reminded the applicant that they had this outstanding condition of approval, which is why we're seeing them here today at the council.

3032
04:10:18,230 --> 04:10:21,450
And with that, that concludes my presentation. And if there are any questions.

3033
04:10:21,450 --> 04:10:22,250
Don't

3034
04:10:28,360 --> 04:10:32,440
think we've got a question, it's just yet we do a pre of the applicant's presentation.

3035
04:10:38,300 --> 04:10:42,600
Now, I apologize, ma'am, there isn't a name associated with the applicant other than the applicant's.

3036
04:10:43,240 --> 04:10:43,780
Okay.

3037
04:10:46,160 --> 04:10:46,700
All right.

3038
04:10:47,260 --> 04:10:49,780
Mr. Vice President and Counselors.

3039
04:10:49,960 --> 04:10:56,520
My name is Jackie Fishman and I'm here on behalf of the water authority for the zone change request.

3040
04:10:57,420 --> 04:11:00,480
And were you going to swear me in?

3041
04:11:00,480 --> 04:11:02,460
I believe we did that at the beginning.

3042
04:11:02,780 --> 04:11:03,060
Okay.

3043
04:11:03,300 --> 04:11:03,820
Sounds good.

3044
04:11:04,120 --> 04:11:04,320
Thank you.

3045
04:11:04,840 --> 04:11:08,360
And I have a brief, very brief presentation as well.

3046
04:11:08,540 --> 04:11:10,520
If somebody could pull that off.

3047
04:11:10,760 --> 04:11:11,360
If you don't mind.

3048
04:11:13,820 --> 04:11:14,060
Okay.

3049
04:11:14,560 --> 04:11:17,460
That's not, that's, oh.

3050
04:11:18,300 --> 04:11:21,480
It's the, the one, the slide before that.

3051
04:11:25,380 --> 04:11:25,640
Okay.

3052
04:11:25,800 --> 04:11:26,360
There we go.

3053
04:11:26,900 --> 04:11:27,160
Okay.

3054
04:11:27,220 --> 04:11:28,000
Thank you very much.

3055
04:11:28,440 --> 04:11:31,120
So again, I'm Jackie Fishman.

3056
04:11:31,840 --> 04:11:33,540
With me today is Rochelle Larson.

3057
04:11:33,540 --> 04:11:39,340
She's a principal engineer at the water authority, also Shard Johnson from Consensus Planning.

3058
04:11:40,220 --> 04:11:46,260
As Ms. Delgado mentioned, the subject property is about 165 acres in size.

3059
04:11:46,620 --> 04:11:50,860
It's own NRSU, which is non-residential sensitive use.

3060
04:11:51,640 --> 04:11:56,920
The property was previously used for gravel extraction, which that many years ago,

3061
04:11:57,240 --> 04:12:03,020
and the use transferred to major utility, which as Ms. Delgado pointed out,

3062
04:12:03,020 --> 04:12:06,720
is not a primary permissive use in the NRSU zone.

3063
04:12:07,300 --> 04:12:10,500
In fact, NRSU is one of the only zones

3064
04:12:10,500 --> 04:12:12,720
where major utility is not allowed.

3065
04:12:14,040 --> 04:12:18,140
So we are left with a non-conforming use on the property,

3066
04:12:18,340 --> 04:12:21,780
which means the San Juan Chama drinking water treatment

3067
04:12:22,300 --> 04:12:24,540
planned project cannot be expanded

3068
04:12:24,540 --> 04:12:29,340
until the zone change is approved hopefully this evening.

3069
04:12:29,900 --> 04:12:32,720
This is a critical infrastructure project

3070
04:12:32,720 --> 04:12:38,380
for the water authority and so we're very pleased to be here tonight.

3071
04:12:39,140 --> 04:12:42,060
In approving our initial zone, I'm sorry,

3072
04:12:42,260 --> 04:12:45,460
our initial site plan, major amendment in April,

3073
04:12:45,620 --> 04:12:51,100
the EPC condition, the site plan on securing a zone

3074
04:12:51,100 --> 04:12:51,880
map amendment.

3075
04:12:52,320 --> 04:12:58,160
We followed up with that the next month in May with a zone change

3076
04:12:58,160 --> 04:13:07,140
request, the EBC found that the zone change furthered the comprehensive plan goes and objectives,

3077
04:13:08,100 --> 04:13:10,340
and met all the criteria for zone changes.

3078
04:13:13,240 --> 04:13:14,040
Next slide, please.

3079
04:13:15,700 --> 04:13:21,220
So I'm sure you're aware that the San Juan Chama drinking water treatment plan's large scale

3080
04:13:21,220 --> 04:13:27,200
research expansion project is a very critical project to the Albuquerque metro.

3081
04:13:28,300 --> 04:13:35,140
It is a project to enhance long-term water supply, reliability, and resiliency through

3082
04:13:35,140 --> 04:13:38,360
expanded aquifer storage and recovery infrastructure.

3083
04:13:38,680 --> 04:13:40,140
We call that the ASR.

3084
04:13:40,740 --> 04:13:46,260
The zone change will allow two ASR well sites to store treated San Juan Chama surface

3085
04:13:46,260 --> 04:13:53,160
water, in the regional aquifer for later recovery during peak demand periods and drought conditions.

3086
04:13:53,980 --> 04:14:00,620
And we also had warehouse complexes as part of that zone change, part of the site plan request.

3087
04:14:01,680 --> 04:14:05,020
So all of that would be now allowed with this zone change.

3088
04:14:05,600 --> 04:14:11,840
The project is the key component of the water authorities, water, long range water planning efforts.

3089
04:14:12,700 --> 04:14:20,000
I think, again, this is, I see this is more of a housekeeping zone map amendment.

3090
04:14:21,240 --> 04:14:26,880
It's, again, I think we all are in support of the water authority doing its business, and

3091
04:14:26,880 --> 04:14:32,840
I'm pleased to be here and ready for any questions you may have for us.

3092
04:14:37,460 --> 04:14:38,400
Thank you, Ms. Fishman.

3093
04:14:40,320 --> 04:14:41,000
I appreciate it.

3094
04:14:41,120 --> 04:14:44,060
We'll go on to public speakers, I believe we have one,

3095
04:14:48,030 --> 04:14:49,070
thank you, Mr. President, and

3096
04:14:49,070 --> 04:14:51,730
We're bringing in James Shanley right now.

3097
04:15:13,620 --> 04:15:18,840
Mr. Vice President, I have James Shanley on. Mr. Shanley, are you there?

3098
04:15:25,960 --> 04:15:26,520
Yes, I am.

3099
04:15:26,600 --> 04:15:30,740
Oh, perfect. Mr. Shanley, do you, will you raise your right hand, please?

3100
04:15:31,640 --> 04:15:37,160
Appreciate it. Do you affirm under penalty of perjury that your testimony today will be true?

3101
04:15:38,700 --> 04:15:39,020
I do.

3102
04:15:39,980 --> 04:15:44,060
Thank you for that. Please proceed with your comment. You have two minutes, sir.

3103
04:15:44,060 --> 04:15:49,280
Okay. My comment was on the project at 161.

3104
04:15:49,500 --> 04:15:52,940
I'm not sure whether that's happy.

3105
04:15:53,620 --> 04:15:55,800
I checked an O instead of an R.

3106
04:15:57,360 --> 04:16:00,380
Well, I'm glad to affirm that you would be truthful with that tonight.

3107
04:16:01,660 --> 04:16:02,180
I apologize.

3108
04:16:02,700 --> 04:16:04,260
Way to come forward. That's perfect.

3109
04:16:04,860 --> 04:16:06,120
No, we will move on to that.

3110
04:16:06,260 --> 04:16:08,840
And if that's what your comment is for, then we'll wait until later tonight.

3111
04:16:09,440 --> 04:16:10,200
Okay. Thank you.

3112
04:16:10,240 --> 04:16:11,720
Perfect, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

3113
04:16:12,280 --> 04:16:14,360
The applicant, do we have a five minute

3114
04:16:14,360 --> 04:16:15,320
or a bottle from the applicant?

3115
04:16:21,820 --> 04:16:25,460
Mr. Chairman, or I'm sorry, Mr. Vice President,

3116
04:16:26,240 --> 04:16:27,540
only to urge your support.

3117
04:16:27,920 --> 04:16:28,740
Okay, thank you.

3118
04:16:30,900 --> 04:16:33,380
No public speakers, so planning department,

3119
04:16:33,640 --> 04:16:35,000
any comments from the planning department?

3120
04:16:35,640 --> 04:16:36,300
There she comes.

3121
04:16:39,740 --> 04:16:40,560
You don't have to hurry, will we?

3122
04:16:43,250 --> 04:16:45,950
Planning department supports the Environmental Planning

3123
04:16:45,950 --> 04:16:46,930
and Commission's recommendation.

3124
04:16:47,330 --> 04:16:47,730
Thank you.

3125
04:16:47,730 --> 04:16:48,630
Perfect.

3126
04:16:50,030 --> 04:16:50,990
Council staff?

3127
04:16:51,810 --> 04:16:52,230
Comments?

3128
04:16:53,910 --> 04:16:56,050
Vice President, no comments from staff?

3129
04:16:57,530 --> 04:16:57,670
Comments?

3130
04:16:58,490 --> 04:16:58,850
Questions?

3131
04:16:59,850 --> 04:17:00,410
Concerns?

3132
04:17:05,560 --> 04:17:08,120
Here was one question that I'll ask.

3133
04:17:08,320 --> 04:17:09,180
Comments are about the later.

3134
04:17:10,640 --> 04:17:11,220
Just out of curiosity.

3135
04:17:12,640 --> 04:17:16,500
So we do have a motion for a due pass and it has been seconded.

3136
04:17:16,500 --> 04:17:17,540
No questions.

3137
04:17:17,780 --> 04:17:18,240
Comments?

3138
04:17:19,840 --> 04:17:20,440
All those in favor?

3139
04:17:20,440 --> 04:17:26,180
for a due pass, raise your hands, say yes, yes, opposed? No, passes.

3140
04:17:28,540 --> 04:17:30,180
We will move on to item

3141
04:17:30,180 --> 04:17:33,180
C, 054. That's a few important.

3142
04:17:33,960 --> 04:17:41,220
Thank you Mr. Rice President. 054 is a mending ROA-1994 chapter 2 article 7, part 2, related

3143
04:17:41,220 --> 04:17:46,340
to the city attorney in the city legal department and repealing section 325 of the code of

3144
04:17:46,340 --> 04:17:48,380
resolutions, and we will do fast.

3145
04:17:49,400 --> 04:17:52,620
We have a do pass in a second from the committee of the whole

3146
04:17:52,620 --> 04:17:53,080
crowd.

3147
04:17:58,250 --> 04:18:01,310
We have one person signed up to speak, actually,

3148
04:18:03,770 --> 04:18:03,890
too.

3149
04:18:04,030 --> 04:18:04,810
Thank you, Mr. President.

3150
04:18:05,590 --> 04:18:08,270
We have a bit of jealousy, followed by Ted and you, Midski,

3151
04:18:08,550 --> 04:18:09,130
I think.

3152
04:18:09,930 --> 04:18:11,570
I think it's great to go along here, so.

3153
04:18:11,810 --> 04:18:12,510
Ted and Midski.

3154
04:18:21,530 --> 04:18:22,370
Thank you.

3155
04:18:22,610 --> 04:18:25,090
My name, Ted and Midski, Midski.

3156
04:18:25,090 --> 04:18:34,270
Well, I thought it ended the day of the city of Tornu.

3157
04:18:35,810 --> 04:18:47,050
1971, 1972, being a contractor, and having issues with the theft by employee.

3158
04:18:47,050 --> 04:18:56,310
are walk to city attorney, they used to be here in this basement,

3159
04:18:58,330 --> 04:19:00,670
and because somebody

3160
04:19:00,670 --> 04:19:09,650
suggested to go to city attorney, I said fine, that time city attorney like the way

3161
04:19:09,650 --> 04:19:23,830
and says, go to any judges, from judge argument to judge during the clearing, that's all the other words.

3162
04:19:24,210 --> 04:19:36,110
So anyway, that was now where we are. I have filed a little sort of assignment all of you.

3163
04:19:36,110 --> 04:19:43,070
Well, who's going to defend that day or I'll say thank you Mr. Nameski.

3164
04:19:43,370 --> 04:19:44,610
Thank you.

3165
04:19:44,610 --> 04:19:48,390
The motion on the floor for a due pass counts as any questions comments.

3166
04:19:51,420 --> 04:19:52,620
Did you open?

3167
04:19:55,330 --> 04:19:57,070
You want to open since there's no questions any?

3168
04:19:57,070 --> 04:19:58,530
I can open any questions.

3169
04:19:59,450 --> 04:19:59,970
I...

3170
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:14,500
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. You know, we've had a lot of conversations around accountability tonight on a lot of things and really all that this bill does is creates accountability with the city attorney and us, this fight.

3171
04:20:15,160 --> 04:20:25,200
We have numerous examples of accountability going towards the administration, which is very right and should happen, but we should also have some accountability.

3172
04:20:25,200 --> 04:20:31,840
if we ask for things like we want to be kept up the day on a case that involves this

3173
04:20:31,840 --> 04:20:36,780
body we should be kept up the day. If we want our staff to be involved in a case

3174
04:20:36,780 --> 04:20:42,100
that moves forward because it matters to us we should be able to do that and that's

3175
04:20:42,100 --> 04:20:45,400
all that this will does. So I urge your support.

3176
04:20:46,740 --> 04:20:49,000
I don't think Councillors, if that opening closing

3177
04:20:51,850 --> 04:20:54,550
I don't see an amendment actually I do

3178
04:20:57,880 --> 04:21:04,000
It's not for me, and I don't believe it's from you, and there's nothing in the iPad, so I think it might have just been a mistake.

3179
04:21:04,960 --> 04:21:05,680
What's that, it's an error?

3180
04:21:05,760 --> 04:21:06,280
Mr. Vice President.

3181
04:21:06,600 --> 04:21:08,200
No, that's correct.

3182
04:21:09,280 --> 04:21:10,140
No, we talked about this.

3183
04:21:10,320 --> 04:21:15,440
There was, it's supposed to be for R54, not 058, so there's not an error.

3184
04:21:15,620 --> 04:21:16,200
Councillor Pissot.

3185
04:21:16,860 --> 04:21:19,360
Mr. Vice President, I have concerns.

3186
04:21:20,080 --> 04:21:24,340
And I was talking to Ms. Cullit on earlier today with in regards to the still.

3187
04:21:24,980 --> 04:21:33,140
We just found out that we're having an EC come down for a new city attorney given the history of everything that just happened this last year.

3188
04:21:33,640 --> 04:21:39,960
I have concerns because some of what I see in this ordinance, I think it makes sense.

3189
04:21:40,100 --> 04:21:46,340
I think that it's okay. I think some of it doesn't necessarily, to me, seem like we need to legislate it.

3190
04:21:46,340 --> 04:21:54,460
And so my concern is that we are sitting here, are we reacting to something that happened

3191
04:21:54,460 --> 04:21:59,440
or are we legislating something that we actually need to legislate?

3192
04:21:59,960 --> 04:22:05,260
One question that was asked of me was, but we could be correcting something in the new city

3193
04:22:05,260 --> 04:22:08,000
attorney from not doing something wrong.

3194
04:22:09,060 --> 04:22:14,280
And is that what we need to do if we've never really seemingly had a problem before?

3195
04:22:14,280 --> 04:22:23,420
or I have, I mean, I don't think that this is on the right track for us to not be looking

3196
04:22:24,040 --> 04:22:30,540
as a reaction to something that happened. I made a commitment in the investigation that happened

3197
04:22:30,540 --> 04:22:38,500
saying that, hey, if we find out that what we suspected was incorrect, that I would accept that,

3198
04:22:38,500 --> 04:22:45,160
I mean, it still is something that was a surprise to me, but I accept it, and I'm worried

3199
04:22:45,160 --> 04:22:50,960
that some of the things in here are creating a larger problem that we're going to have

3200
04:22:50,960 --> 04:22:54,160
some massive unintended consequences for coming up.

3201
04:22:54,220 --> 04:22:57,600
I would love to hear from the administration on their concerns.

3202
04:22:57,680 --> 04:22:59,920
I know that I have had my conversations with them.

3203
04:22:59,940 --> 04:23:01,200
I've contacted our staff.

3204
04:23:01,420 --> 04:23:04,100
I've tried to do some of my research.

3205
04:23:04,100 --> 04:23:09,240
I just don't want us to end up doing something that will be a lot.

3206
04:23:09,440 --> 04:23:11,940
It's always harder to undo it than it is to do it.

3207
04:23:12,040 --> 04:23:20,520
And I think that we should see what this new city attorney is going to be like if we ever appoint that person or whoever we end up appointing.

3208
04:23:21,100 --> 04:23:27,940
And there should be things that we do that are not just reactionary and emotional, which I am concerned that some of this is.

3209
04:23:30,380 --> 04:23:31,760
Madam, see you.

3210
04:23:31,860 --> 04:23:33,220
Thank you Mr. Vice President.

3211
04:23:33,220 --> 04:23:45,600
I have shared some, I've had a few council's ask me questions related to this and I've shared some of the issues that I think that the current as a written language raise.

3212
04:23:46,180 --> 04:24:02,240
I did ask Mr. Roland for his review so that I made sure I wasn't reacting emotionally and I think he can speak to some of the very specific issues that are related to potential direct conflict with the charter as it's written today.

3213
04:24:02,240 --> 04:24:12,640
But also in some of the other issues that it raises in terms of meeting structure and requirements.

3214
04:24:13,680 --> 04:24:26,140
I just want to make sure I say on the record publicly that I have spoken with both Council Services Director and other Councillors about sitting down and working together around what are the standing operating procedures.

3215
04:24:26,140 --> 04:24:32,000
What is the general expectations of the city of turning in terms of communication, reporting,

3216
04:24:32,660 --> 04:24:38,400
structures and others that we can do that work, I think, together and then think about

3217
04:24:38,400 --> 04:24:44,240
revisions to this ordinance that reflect in ways that are not in conflict with the charter,

3218
04:24:44,600 --> 04:24:50,000
but also aren't prescriptive in a way that potentially binds future councils through ordinance.

3219
04:24:50,000 --> 04:24:58,860
typically future departmental matters like this would be by resolution, but I don't want

3220
04:24:58,860 --> 04:24:59,980
to get into the specific...

3221
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:07,840
Legal interpretation. If I can ask Mr. Rollin to speak to those issues that we have raised. And again,

3222
04:25:07,840 --> 04:25:14,420
would just ask that if we work together on some amendments, I think that the city attorney

3223
04:25:14,420 --> 04:25:22,340
ordinance would be more reflective of kind of how we can move forward together. If I may ask

3224
04:25:22,340 --> 04:25:28,920
Mr. Rollin to speak to those items. Mr. Rollin. Thank you, Vice President and Vice President and Council.

3225
04:25:30,620 --> 04:25:59,980
And reviewing this, some of the issues that kind of popped out of me is, especially as Deputy City Attorney that manages individuals or manages attorneys and departments with or divisions within city legal is kind of decentralization of power that potentially could be the aftermath or the unintended consequence of removing some language and putting additional language.

3226
04:26:01,000 --> 04:26:12,260
One of them being, I think, in 2-7-2-1, there's the removal of executive and administrative

3227
04:26:12,260 --> 04:26:17,080
head of the legal department and just leaves as the head of the legal department.

3228
04:26:17,740 --> 04:26:24,000
Not exactly sure what that would entail, but when read with some of the other changes

3229
04:26:24,000 --> 04:26:30,780
and the ordinance what it potentially suggests and could be argued down the road and could

3230
04:26:30,780 --> 04:26:37,220
create conflict and confusion is does that mean that the city attorney then does not is not the

3231
04:26:37,220 --> 04:26:45,460
final legal interpreter when it comes to specific legislation or legal issues that might come up

3232
04:26:45,460 --> 04:26:50,740
specifically in this case a lot of the language is around of course city council the city attorney

3233
04:26:50,740 --> 04:26:52,280
being City Council's attorney.

3234
04:26:53,000 --> 04:26:58,780
One of the examples is there's language in here that specifically directs.

3235
04:26:58,780 --> 04:27:00,500
I guess maybe direct is not the right term,

3236
04:27:02,680 --> 04:27:09,300
but provides for that city attorney or that

3237
04:27:09,300 --> 04:27:15,280
council, individual council's council services, or what's determined to be the general council

3238
04:27:15,280 --> 04:27:22,880
of Council Services, can't have the discretion just seek legal advice from anybody within the legal

3239
04:27:22,880 --> 04:27:29,960
department. From a managerial perspective, that could be a nightmare, but just from a legal

3240
04:27:29,960 --> 04:27:38,600
perspective, one of the, the way that the charter is drafted is the city attorney is the top

3241
04:27:38,600 --> 04:27:49,840
legal interpreter of laws for the city of Albuquerque, I apologize. This essentially removes

3242
04:27:49,840 --> 04:27:55,580
the city attorney from that process right we are wrongly but it does remove the city

3243
04:27:55,580 --> 04:28:01,920
attorney from that process. So if let's say one city counselor is going to one attorney

3244
04:28:01,920 --> 04:28:05,680
and then another city counselor is going to another attorney and then another attorney is

3245
04:28:05,680 --> 04:28:08,560
talking with Julia or Victor or Isaac,

3246
04:28:09,640 --> 04:28:14,080
they can all potentially get different versions of legal advice.

3247
04:28:14,900 --> 04:28:18,900
And I know, as has been told to me, sitting here in a couple

3248
04:28:18,900 --> 04:28:20,260
of times, I've been here at Council.

3249
04:28:20,660 --> 04:28:21,480
There can be frustration.

3250
04:28:21,780 --> 04:28:23,020
You get 10 attorneys in a room.

3251
04:28:23,140 --> 04:28:27,620
You can get 10 different advice on anyone particular subject.

3252
04:28:27,620 --> 04:28:29,620
And that's just the nature of the law.

3253
04:28:30,420 --> 04:28:33,820
But it can create a lot of confusion and conflict

3254
04:28:33,820 --> 04:28:39,960
in the legal department when that happens and I see it often from just representing the administration

3255
04:28:39,960 --> 04:28:47,400
issues or representing city council on land use issues that are appealed with out a singular

3256
04:28:47,400 --> 04:28:53,860
person kind of reviewing and making those legal decisions it can be really disruptive to the process

3257
04:28:53,860 --> 04:29:01,600
and that's not how any legal firm would ever operate or could operate. And so that's the primary

3258
04:29:01,600 --> 04:29:07,980
level of concern from this is the unintinent consequence being a decentralized legal department

3259
04:29:07,980 --> 04:29:14,820
with potentially multiple individuals and you know we've got 30 plus attorneys sitting in

3260
04:29:14,820 --> 04:29:20,980
city legal and one of those potentially at any councilor's discretion could be decided okay

3261
04:29:20,980 --> 04:29:27,740
you're going to answer my legal question today that legal removing the city attorney from that

3262
04:29:28,820 --> 04:29:32,160
Capability is could be very disruptive.

3263
04:29:33,500 --> 04:29:39,580
The other additional issue, and I have a lot of respect for Julia, a lot of respect for Victor,

3264
04:29:40,140 --> 04:29:45,860
and what they do in their highly competent attorneys by the city charter,

3265
04:29:46,220 --> 04:29:55,540
specifically allocates the power of city attorney or legal, the attorney for the city with the city attorney.

3266
04:29:55,540 --> 04:29:59,980
And what this language does in here is it requires the city of

3267
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:05,340
Attorney to essentially get approval of legal advice from other attorneys and other departments.

3268
04:30:06,780 --> 04:30:14,080
And it may not operate that, may not happen that way in operation, but it could happen that way based on just the language it's written in there.

3269
04:30:14,440 --> 04:30:16,560
So those are just some of the concerns I found.

3270
04:30:19,280 --> 04:30:20,060
Councillor Teyes.

3271
04:30:21,500 --> 04:30:31,980
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I guess I'm just, does this in any way preempt or require us to consider

3272
04:30:31,980 --> 04:30:41,960
the resolution and the proposition that was vetoed and I think my bigger concern here is like

3273
04:30:41,960 --> 04:30:50,280
I think we're trying to operationalize good faith in the process which is really critical to

3274
04:30:50,280 --> 04:30:59,780
do, but I don't know, you know, I agree with Councillor Bassan. I don't know if this

3275
04:31:00,360 --> 04:31:12,480
necessarily does what we're trying to accomplish here, right? And I wasn't here last

3276
04:31:12,480 --> 04:31:22,560
year. So I'm really removed from sort of the personal and, you know, kind of the Taylor Swift

3277
04:31:22,560 --> 04:31:31,520
bad blood. Things that went on. And so I really am truly looking at this from a governance

3278
04:31:32,540 --> 04:31:39,500
and a control perspective and how we best achieve that. And quite frankly, I think before we

3279
04:31:39,500 --> 04:31:43,560
can do an ordinance like this, we need to have a full charter review.

3280
04:31:45,160 --> 04:31:52,480
And we need to have a full, you know, our charter needs to be modernized in a lot of ways.

3281
04:31:53,060 --> 04:31:57,940
It hasn't, we haven't had a charter review since 2015, I will leave.

3282
04:31:58,360 --> 04:32:01,040
So now is a really good time to do that.

3283
04:32:01,040 --> 04:32:19,560
And, you know, I think because of that, we need to hold off on, you know, an ordinance like this because we have to combine sort of the technical compliance with the public trust in this type of scenario.

3284
04:32:19,560 --> 04:32:25,560
And I, you know, just because a process is legal,

3285
04:32:27,580 --> 04:32:32,380
or legally adequate, it could still be ethically hollow.

3286
04:32:32,680 --> 04:32:35,340
And I want to make sure if we're going to do this, we're doing it right.

3287
04:32:36,900 --> 04:32:38,500
So, thank you.

3288
04:32:40,540 --> 04:32:42,320
Councilors, any other questions?

3289
04:32:43,080 --> 04:32:43,680
Comments?

3290
04:32:45,220 --> 04:32:46,660
Council, feeble, corner closed.

3291
04:32:47,560 --> 04:32:49,280
Thank you, Mr. Rice President.

3292
04:32:49,280 --> 04:32:53,180
Well, I'm going to ask Ms. Coulot on two questions and then I'll close.

3293
04:32:53,860 --> 04:33:00,440
Ms. Coulot on, I know I have real strong feelings on whether this is a decentralization

3294
04:33:00,440 --> 04:33:09,380
of power. I already go. I have many times in the last four and a half years gone to people

3295
04:33:10,540 --> 04:33:15,000
in the city attorney's office for assistance and I did not always go to the city attorney

3296
04:33:15,000 --> 04:33:19,020
because I did not know that that was the person I wanted to ask about something.

3297
04:33:19,280 --> 04:33:24,060
And so I know I've already been doing this, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.

3298
04:33:24,560 --> 04:33:26,520
I'm a service president and Councillor Feebocorn.

3299
04:33:27,580 --> 04:33:35,720
I would say that I agreed at that as has been a pre-standard practice for Councillors to reach out to

3300
04:33:37,160 --> 04:33:43,620
folks that they're working with for legal questions, whether that's in the city legal department or within council services.

3301
04:33:44,580 --> 04:33:48,500
So I'd say that for the most part is consistent with our practices. Thank you.

3302
04:33:48,500 --> 04:33:53,040
And so I'll just give one example of when I went to the non-city attorney and went someone

3303
04:33:53,040 --> 04:33:57,820
else in the department because I knew that the city attorney works for the mayor and the

3304
04:33:57,820 --> 04:34:02,240
mayor has a different opinion than I do on, for example, cannabis.

3305
04:34:03,000 --> 04:34:07,780
And so I worked with someone else in the city attorney's office because I needed some

3306
04:34:07,780 --> 04:34:09,560
independent analysis.

3307
04:34:10,020 --> 04:34:17,540
And so I don't see a problem with that, especially given that we all now have confirmed that

3308
04:34:17,540 --> 04:34:19,640
city attorney works for the mayor.

3309
04:34:20,880 --> 04:34:24,820
So second one was this, you know, that you would be required

3310
04:34:24,820 --> 04:34:27,820
to get approval from, I guess, from you, Ms.

3311
04:34:27,920 --> 04:34:30,100
Cooladon, is there anything in this bill

3312
04:34:30,100 --> 04:34:31,580
that would require the city attorney

3313
04:34:31,580 --> 04:34:33,960
to get approval on anything from anyone?

3314
04:34:35,060 --> 04:34:36,760
Mr. Vice President, Councilor Fibreau-Karn,

3315
04:34:37,740 --> 04:34:40,740
the bill would not require approval prior

3316
04:34:40,740 --> 04:34:42,460
to the city attorney acting within the scope

3317
04:34:42,460 --> 04:34:43,640
of their authority.

3318
04:34:43,640 --> 04:34:59,100
The section that I think is what's raising some concern is a section G, which is meant to loop in council's attorneys when there is illegal matter on going that involves an act of the council.

3319
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:19,620
And use appeal, or a legal challenge to an ordinance that the council adopted that the council would, essentially, like their, their attorney used to be looped in on that process to keep them up to date and potentially contribute to discussions on how to handle that case.

3320
04:35:19,940 --> 04:35:28,500
But that section does explicitly say that nothing in that section should be construed to require the city council's general counsel.

3321
04:35:28,500 --> 04:35:33,040
to enter appearance in the litigation or direct control or manage

3322
04:35:33,040 --> 04:35:37,180
the litigation because that is the authority of the city attorney.

3323
04:35:38,020 --> 04:35:42,200
Thank you, Ms. Coulot, so Mr. Vice President, I guess there was a couple of questions that came

3324
04:35:42,200 --> 04:35:48,000
up that I just want to say. First of all, I just kind of find it interesting that we are negotiating

3325
04:35:48,000 --> 04:35:54,600
with the administration on a bill that sets how we, as the council, get to interact with

3326
04:35:54,600 --> 04:36:01,120
city attorney. I think that says a lot about who the attorney works for and and how this

3327
04:36:01,120 --> 04:36:08,060
is going to play out. I think that this is completely outside of the investigation that was

3328
04:36:08,060 --> 04:36:15,640
referenced. My concerns have been varied and wide. There have been many cases where we have

3329
04:36:15,640 --> 04:36:21,880
asked for an outside council and not that. There have been cases where we've asked to keep our

3330
04:36:21,880 --> 04:36:26,880
staff up to date so that they could then keep us up to date on land use cases that are really

3331
04:36:26,880 --> 04:36:28,780
important to us.

3332
04:36:29,000 --> 04:36:29,880
And that didn't happen.

3333
04:36:30,480 --> 04:36:34,760
And so I want to be clear that this is not a knee jerk reaction to one thing.

3334
04:36:35,040 --> 04:36:41,620
This is a pattern of problem that may or may not change with a new CD attorney.

3335
04:36:42,060 --> 04:36:48,680
But I think it's important for us to set these guardrails right now for how we interact

3336
04:36:48,680 --> 04:36:54,540
in the future so that these things don't happen again, because the land use matters that involve this body

3337
04:36:54,540 --> 04:36:58,040
are vital to the future of our city.

3338
04:36:58,640 --> 04:37:07,880
And if we are not getting any input into the way those cases are run, that means that we are not being effective as a city council.

3339
04:37:08,240 --> 04:37:11,540
And I truly believe that that is a very big problem for us.

3340
04:37:12,220 --> 04:37:18,720
I will just also say that I heard from the CAO last two weeks ago when this was introduced

3341
04:37:18,720 --> 04:37:22,560
that she may have some concerns, I'm saying great, let's meet.

3342
04:37:23,100 --> 04:37:29,480
Never heard from her, heard from her today, about three-fifteen, you know, this is the kind

3343
04:37:29,480 --> 04:37:34,980
of thing that happens with this administration all the time, it don't have time at three

3344
04:37:34,980 --> 04:37:41,060
15, the email came in at 235 and the phone call came in and around 315.

3345
04:37:41,920 --> 04:37:45,020
And this is not how these bills should work, right?

3346
04:37:45,020 --> 04:37:50,940
If you have concerns, you should immediately meet with the person that's saying, sure,

3347
04:37:51,040 --> 04:37:52,460
I'm happy to meet with you.

3348
04:37:52,720 --> 04:37:53,720
But they don't do that.

3349
04:37:53,740 --> 04:37:57,160
They waited until we get here, and then they think that they can just kill these bills

3350
04:37:57,160 --> 04:38:00,420
because they have no accountability and we are weak.

3351
04:38:00,860 --> 04:38:02,380
And I don't think that those things are true.

3352
04:38:02,380 --> 04:38:09,560
All I'm trying to do here is set up a somewhat level playing field where we have some input

3353
04:38:09,560 --> 04:38:17,680
into how the city attorney behaves on cases that directly involve city council.

3354
04:38:18,460 --> 04:38:19,400
So, I urge your support.

3355
04:38:22,720 --> 04:38:23,320
Thanks to the council.

3356
04:38:23,380 --> 04:38:26,940
People according to motion is for a due pass,

3357
04:38:29,240 --> 04:38:30,000
all those in favor?

3358
04:38:30,460 --> 04:38:31,480
Raise your hand and say yes?

3359
04:38:31,900 --> 04:38:32,140
Yes.

3360
04:38:33,140 --> 04:38:34,440
Why do you have to be a real comment?

3361
04:38:35,020 --> 04:38:49,530
She's back on. I wasn't important. Okay. I want to make sure I wasn't missing something. So I'll address all those in favor. Raise your hands. Yes, post and passes on a seven to two.

3362
04:38:53,330 --> 04:39:00,310
Six to my math is back. We'll move on to D. O. 58. Councillor Groud.

3363
04:39:02,320 --> 04:39:10,720
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. O. 58 is a menning chapter two article 11 of the city of Albuquerque, Cote of Ordnance is to

3364
04:39:10,720 --> 04:39:13,680
to improve the city's budget, proposal processes,

3365
04:39:14,560 --> 04:39:17,060
and strengthen oversight and accountability measures.

3366
04:39:17,780 --> 04:39:19,440
I move a due pass.

3367
04:39:20,260 --> 04:39:21,360
Motion to do pass.

3368
04:39:21,760 --> 04:39:22,480
No, the second.

3369
04:39:23,940 --> 04:39:27,980
I second by council, but some.

3370
04:39:29,340 --> 04:39:30,360
Councilor Grant?

3371
04:39:30,640 --> 04:39:33,120
Mr. Vice President, I have a floor amendment.

3372
04:39:34,000 --> 04:39:37,560
It is in your iPads, also on our DIAs.

3373
04:39:40,080 --> 04:39:54,600
This is for amendment, this is from Councillor Pina beginning on page 9, line 32 and page 10, lines 1 through 19, strike through sections 2, dash 11, dash 5, h and its entirety.

3374
04:39:55,560 --> 04:39:59,660
The explanation is because this section remained in the final.

3375
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:07,320
Opposal in Edward and May. This amendment removes the provision to reflect the outcome and intent of the working group discussion.

3376
04:40:08,100 --> 04:40:09,640
I move a due pass.

3377
04:40:11,770 --> 04:40:19,210
Motion and a side proof in council of the song for a due pass on a amendment labeled a but limited as amendment 1.

3378
04:40:21,670 --> 04:40:22,010
Thank you.

3379
04:40:22,470 --> 04:40:33,050
So, I want to Councillor President Pignette, got a committee together, a small working group I should say together.

3380
04:40:33,050 --> 04:40:40,130
Councilors of the Sun, Councilor Feevele Corn, myself and Councilor Pena, then we worked

3381
04:40:40,130 --> 04:40:45,950
with the administration over the last, over the break actually,

3382
04:40:48,510 --> 04:40:49,430
and our current

3383
04:40:49,430 --> 04:40:50,230
ordinance,

3384
04:40:52,270 --> 04:40:56,710
this is, yeah, no, no, no, no, it's really important for the Councilor's

3385
04:40:56,710 --> 04:41:02,070
budget chair and the administration to work together through the budget process.

3386
04:41:02,070 --> 04:41:06,190
And so this bill provides guidelines to do that.

3387
04:41:06,350 --> 04:41:11,130
And I do appreciate Councillor Pinnon bringing this committee together, this working group.

3388
04:41:12,130 --> 04:41:19,850
There were compromises on both sides and the bill in front of us reflects that.

3389
04:41:20,070 --> 04:41:25,870
This is a good working document and we can always reopen this ordinance and refine it later if we need to.

3390
04:41:26,150 --> 04:41:30,310
But our current ordinance hasn't been updated since 2001.

3391
04:41:30,310 --> 04:41:38,270
So there are some really big changes in here, and I think it will be important to work through one budget cycle before we start amending it again

3392
04:41:38,270 --> 04:41:48,890
But I'd like to ask our budget staff to briefly go over some changes. Oh, this is on the amendment. Oh, I'm sorry

3393
04:41:51,220 --> 04:41:57,450
So we have a motion in a second for amendment number one to

3394
04:41:57,450 --> 04:42:03,130
to 058, Council is in a conversation with the amendment, Council Rogers.

3395
04:42:04,910 --> 04:42:09,750
Thank you, Mr. Vice President, and reading the explanation of this amendment, I said that

3396
04:42:09,750 --> 04:42:15,630
we're just, the final proposal included this inadvertently, but this is all of the amendments

3397
04:42:15,630 --> 04:42:18,650
I put forward in the original, like, before.

3398
04:42:19,310 --> 04:42:24,190
So thank you to the universe for keeping it in there, even if it was inadvertently, because

3399
04:42:24,190 --> 04:42:27,910
would like it to stay in there and I'll explain why and I would urge you to

3400
04:42:27,910 --> 04:42:34,790
know on this amendment because we have continuously during budget cycle talked

3401
04:42:34,790 --> 04:42:39,710
about not having metrics to go with the objectives so that we can see if the

3402
04:42:39,710 --> 04:42:45,010
department is actually making progress towards those goals. It should be tied to

3403
04:42:45,010 --> 04:42:49,490
the budget so at some point we can actually get to a point where we can say to

3404
04:42:49,490 --> 04:42:52,870
a department you didn't meet your goals you don't get an increase in your

3405
04:42:52,870 --> 04:42:59,050
budget. And now we can't do that. There's no, I've been screaming about this for three years.

3406
04:42:59,690 --> 04:43:03,410
Keeping this in the budget ordinance, I know the administration wanted me to work with

3407
04:43:03,410 --> 04:43:09,270
the indicator progress committee. I met with them, heard them out, happy to sponsor some

3408
04:43:09,270 --> 04:43:13,930
of their changes to their ordinance and put it in both places. But what I know of this

3409
04:43:13,930 --> 04:43:19,030
group, if working with them in equity and inclusion, is they don't get the resources or

3410
04:43:19,030 --> 04:43:27,270
really the respect that they deserve to be driving progress and outcomes is a better way

3411
04:43:27,270 --> 04:43:32,810
to say an impact and they don't get the resources that they need so I don't think we can just

3412
04:43:32,810 --> 04:43:37,870
rely on this board and commission to do that for the City of Albuquerque because they didn't meet

3413
04:43:37,870 --> 04:43:46,390
for like two years and so I do not without having this in the budget ordinance have the faith that

3414
04:43:46,390 --> 04:43:49,790
we're going to do this without it being tied to the budget.

3415
04:43:50,430 --> 04:43:56,390
So I would please urge my colleagues to vote no on this amendment to keep that in

3416
04:43:56,390 --> 04:44:02,170
because we work really hard to make sure after three years of yelling about it that we can actually have some action.

3417
04:44:02,530 --> 04:44:05,010
And so I would ask for you to not support this amendment.

3418
04:44:05,110 --> 04:44:06,910
Thank you.

3419
04:44:07,190 --> 04:44:08,190
Thank you, Councillor Rogers.

3420
04:44:09,050 --> 04:44:11,390
Any other comments from the council?

3421
04:44:12,150 --> 04:44:14,370
Administration would you like to weigh in on this?

3422
04:44:15,970 --> 04:44:23,810
Mr. Vice President, I think the intent of the working group was to work together on income

3423
04:44:23,810 --> 04:44:27,490
up with consensus in terms of how that we make the budget bill better.

3424
04:44:28,190 --> 04:44:34,710
I think I could refer to the CFO in relation to this specific portion in terms of whether

3425
04:44:34,710 --> 04:44:42,390
it's not against counselors, goals around thinking through how we get to objectives and do that

3426
04:44:42,390 --> 04:44:50,330
in a way that is measurable, not just statements, so I want to speak to the process that

3427
04:44:50,330 --> 04:44:56,690
I think our budget director and others asked why this was considered, we didn't have

3428
04:44:56,690 --> 04:44:58,290
consensus on this.

3429
04:44:58,810 --> 04:44:59,970
Mr. Vice President.

3430
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:05,080
Is it not that I want to punt it to anybody else, but I wasn't involved in these meetings?

3431
04:45:06,400 --> 04:45:13,220
So if I may, I would ask Josh Anderson or our budget officer, Kevin Noel, who were in those

3432
04:45:13,220 --> 04:45:14,960
meetings with city councilors.

3433
04:45:20,880 --> 04:45:23,400
I think they picked up or presented it.

3434
04:45:28,940 --> 04:45:35,440
Mr. Vice President and Council Rogers, I mean, for us, for the budget office, we don't really

3435
04:45:35,440 --> 04:45:37,120
have opinion on this.

3436
04:45:37,880 --> 04:45:46,500
The only thing I can say is that as far as measure miss we already include the budget by goals section in the budget book.

3437
04:45:46,600 --> 04:45:50,120
I mean so that already ties the budget to the goals.

3438
04:45:55,380 --> 04:45:57,500
Is that a question or are you making your statements?

3439
04:45:57,560 --> 04:45:58,640
I'm just making a statement.

3440
04:45:59,580 --> 04:46:01,940
I guess if there's a question.

3441
04:46:02,600 --> 04:46:03,520
Councillor Rogers.

3442
04:46:04,180 --> 04:46:04,540
Thank you, Madam.

3443
04:46:04,540 --> 04:46:13,100
are such a habit to think as a Mr. Vice President. I think that what I heard from from

3444
04:46:13,100 --> 04:46:17,460
the Expendigator Progress Chair today when I met with them was that they don't have

3445
04:46:17,460 --> 04:46:23,820
objections to this at all. The consensus was where it should live. And I think that

3446
04:46:23,820 --> 04:46:29,960
what my question is yes we have objectives but there's not a metric that tells me if the

3447
04:46:29,960 --> 04:46:40,820
department met that objective. So yes, we have objectives spelled out, but there's not a like metric that I can see year over year and that's what this asks for.

3448
04:46:41,040 --> 04:46:51,840
The administration shall report annually for year over year benchmarks. So that is not included in the budget right now for me to be able to see.

3449
04:46:51,840 --> 04:46:58,140
like let's take health housing and homelessness, for example, right? If we do not see

3450
04:46:58,140 --> 04:47:08,560
some changes to the lived, like daily numbers of homelessness in our community, why would we continue

3451
04:47:08,560 --> 04:47:15,920
to give that department more money? And so without actual indicators that give me a metric to point

3452
04:47:15,920 --> 04:47:20,940
to progress why do we continue to give these departments

3453
04:47:20,940 --> 04:47:25,120
extra money to manage and that's what this is getting to

3454
04:47:25,120 --> 04:47:29,380
and that's what I'm trying to get to here so I appreciate the statement

3455
04:47:29,380 --> 04:47:32,920
but I would like to ask Council of people who are in these meetings

3456
04:47:33,540 --> 04:47:36,620
was there conversations specifically about these

3457
04:47:36,620 --> 04:47:38,840
getting removed during those meetings?

3458
04:47:39,320 --> 04:47:43,860
Thank you Mr. Vice President. I you know I went to all of the meetings

3459
04:47:43,860 --> 04:48:08,600
and they were quite a few, and they were long, so I might have forgotten something, but I do not recall having the conversation that we would remove this part, and I did review the bill before it was introduced to make sure that it fit with my notes, and I went through, and it did the version without this amendment matched my personal notes from those three year for multi-hour meetings.

3460
04:48:10,000 --> 04:48:12,100
Thank you so much.

3461
04:48:17,230 --> 04:48:23,550
Mr. Chair, members, I was also at the meetings, I think, as far as this amendment goes,

3462
04:48:23,770 --> 04:48:25,370
I would agree with Councillor.

3463
04:48:25,870 --> 04:48:33,450
I don't remember specifically us debating or talking about this exact item in our meetings.

3464
04:48:34,010 --> 04:48:42,190
So we went through, as a starting point, the legislation that failed a year ago, and all the adopted amendments.

3465
04:48:42,190 --> 04:48:53,530
and I think Councilor you had one specifically around the IPC and other Councilor's had different amendments and we kind of review those one like one and went through those

3466
04:48:53,530 --> 04:49:01,410
but as Councilor Feeble court stated I do not also recall this being a specific topic of discussion during our working year.

3467
04:49:04,790 --> 04:49:05,230
Councilor Graham?

3468
04:49:06,190 --> 04:49:08,830
So thank you Mr. Vice President, Councillor.

3469
04:49:10,930 --> 04:49:17,310
I remember I don't I'm good either way with this but I could have I thought I

3470
04:49:17,310 --> 04:49:22,250
remember that this we didn't think that this belonged in the budget or

3471
04:49:22,250 --> 04:49:25,610
and it belonged in a different document but

3472
04:49:28,940 --> 04:49:34,190
I remember by this president and

3473
04:49:34,190 --> 04:49:39,130
implying and comes or grow yes it was discussed about where that where the

3474
04:49:39,130 --> 04:49:42,910
specific, measurable indicator section, the one.

3475
04:49:45,370 --> 04:49:55,450
It was in the summary, however, that specific one was left out of the summary because it was under discussion when we had that meeting about whether or not we wanted to move it.

3476
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:05,940
It was still included in the drafts that were sent to the administration to the councilors.

3477
04:50:06,940 --> 04:50:11,920
So it remained in the document, but it was discussed whether or not we should move it in or out.

3478
04:50:12,640 --> 04:50:14,460
I do remember that, conversation.

3479
04:50:19,070 --> 04:50:19,170
Okay.

3480
04:50:20,110 --> 04:50:21,930
So I urge your support.

3481
04:50:23,070 --> 04:50:24,830
I don't think any more questions, that's a good closing.

3482
04:50:26,710 --> 04:50:35,590
All those in favor of amendment number one raise your hand say yes yes those opposed so

3483
04:50:38,120 --> 04:50:38,800
it's a four four

3484
04:50:38,800 --> 04:50:48,040
sort of fails okay we're back on the bill not as amended okay so I already said a whole bunch of

3485
04:50:48,840 --> 04:50:55,180
things and this is a device president that can I ask our budget staff to kind of go over the

3486
04:50:55,180 --> 04:50:55,680
changes.

3487
04:50:58,820 --> 04:50:59,560
Let's go.

3488
04:51:00,400 --> 04:51:01,960
Vice President and Councilor Grape.

3489
04:51:02,500 --> 04:51:08,120
So really quickly, OTHFDA is updating and amending chapter 2.

3490
04:51:08,940 --> 04:51:12,280
Before you start that, Councilor Grape.

3491
04:51:12,720 --> 04:51:13,420
Mr. Vice President.

3492
04:51:13,500 --> 04:51:14,840
This feels odd for me, but okay.

3493
04:51:15,320 --> 04:51:22,620
Mr. Vice President, I moved to suspend the rules to extend the meeting to 11 this evening.

3494
04:51:23,160 --> 04:51:30,020
So motion to spend the rule second second if I count for feeble corn, do we really need to talk about it?

3495
04:51:30,020 --> 04:51:33,420
No. Okay, all those in favor of suspending the rule sixth and we need to 11.

3496
04:51:33,740 --> 04:51:37,900
Raise your hands. Yes. Yes. Those post passes.

3497
04:51:38,440 --> 04:51:41,040
Six to our staff. Thank you.

3498
04:51:41,040 --> 04:51:42,100
Thank you, Vice President.

3499
04:51:43,380 --> 04:51:46,820
Okay, so O58 is a Mending Chapter 2 article 11.

3500
04:51:46,820 --> 04:51:58,580
It reorganizes the chapter as mentioned earlier that has been updated in quite some time with the exception of a couple of sections, which have not been touched in this particular revision.

3501
04:51:59,500 --> 04:52:08,520
So since some of them since 1995 haven't been reviewed by 2001 seems to be the last time that we went through this.

3502
04:52:09,620 --> 04:52:16,340
So, this is updating the goals and objective structures, it's codifying budget questions and deadlines.

3503
04:52:16,480 --> 04:52:19,520
It's formalizing the council access to financial information.

3504
04:52:21,900 --> 04:52:27,040
It's including now the measurable indicators updated the IPC duties.

3505
04:52:28,260 --> 04:52:31,680
It doesn't include an informal mid-year study session.

3506
04:52:31,680 --> 04:52:39,860
that will be required every year, and it does require deadline turnerounds for what you

3507
04:52:39,860 --> 04:52:45,340
guys know as the general questions that are now being codified into this particular proposal.

3508
04:52:45,780 --> 04:52:51,160
It did replace the printing and indexing section, which is now as the mission and distribution

3509
04:52:51,620 --> 04:52:57,040
section to include electronic copies sent to all counselors and printed copies for the president and the

3510
04:52:59,440 --> 04:53:09,630
It does change the transfer threshold for the mayor from 100,000 to 500,000, but the existing 5% remains.

3511
04:53:10,750 --> 04:53:19,550
There will be quarter-leaf fiscal status reports due within 70 calendar days, and then there is the new access to financial information section towards the back.

3512
04:53:19,550 --> 04:53:26,490
We also added a cross section, so you'll see that as section 99, and we'll be adding to that over the next

3513
04:53:26,490 --> 04:53:32,390
Probably forever any cross sections throughout the ordinances that have to do with the budget.

3514
04:53:36,440 --> 04:53:36,740
Thank you

3515
04:53:42,130 --> 04:53:42,730
Councilor

3516
04:53:42,730 --> 04:53:43,430
That description

3517
04:53:44,090 --> 04:53:45,150
Councilor Gra

3518
04:53:45,990 --> 04:53:48,510
I want to thank the committee. I want to thank the

3519
04:53:49,550 --> 04:53:53,650
Administration and their staff and our staff

3520
04:53:54,430 --> 04:54:01,770
It was really good, it was really good and I know it's a big, big lift and I look forward

3521
04:54:01,770 --> 04:54:06,450
to making, seeing it work together and I hope that this next year is a really good one.

3522
04:54:06,690 --> 04:54:07,910
So, I urge your support everyone.

3523
04:54:09,510 --> 04:54:13,330
All those in favor of 02658 raise your hands to the yes?

3524
04:54:14,330 --> 04:54:17,190
as opposed, has his 8-0.

3525
04:54:19,030 --> 04:54:22,470
Camps are rout or routers, oh, are 51.

3526
04:54:22,910 --> 04:54:24,550
And just so noted, I noticed that,

3527
04:54:24,950 --> 04:54:26,450
Ms. Garrett, there was public comment,

3528
04:54:27,010 --> 04:54:28,130
but there are no longer here.

3529
04:54:29,770 --> 04:54:32,830
So, for 58, oh, 58.

3530
04:54:33,430 --> 04:54:34,190
Pardon me, Mr. President,

3531
04:54:34,370 --> 04:54:35,410
we do have James Stanley,

3532
04:54:36,050 --> 04:54:37,470
that wanted to speak on this item,

3533
04:54:37,710 --> 04:54:38,850
and he's still one more.

3534
04:54:40,170 --> 04:54:42,190
I remember he was on a long one.

3535
04:54:42,970 --> 04:54:43,310
Okay.

3536
04:54:43,310 --> 04:54:45,310
And I thought he was on 51, okay?

3537
04:54:45,310 --> 04:54:46,710
I think he meant to be signing up.

3538
04:54:46,750 --> 04:54:48,030
That's right.

3539
04:54:49,010 --> 04:54:49,730
Mind the state.

3540
04:54:49,870 --> 04:54:50,470
The next bill.

3541
04:54:50,790 --> 04:54:50,910
Thank you.

3542
04:54:51,230 --> 04:54:51,730
Sorry about that.

3543
04:54:51,870 --> 04:54:53,230
Thank you.

3544
04:54:54,170 --> 04:54:55,610
So we are on R-51.

3545
04:54:56,350 --> 04:54:57,350
Councils Grant and Rogers.

3546
04:54:58,530 --> 04:54:59,750
Thank you Mr. Vice President.

3547
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:17,640
Our 26th F-51 is directing the city administration to utilize state capital outlay funding for the cottages at 161 trauma, affordable housing development and to facilitate the determination that street vision housing strategies is a qualifying grantee.

3548
04:55:18,320 --> 04:55:22,300
And I move a few pass and I do have an amendment. I second.

3549
04:55:22,920 --> 04:55:26,640
So we have a motion for a two-pass on our 51 and a second, by community to hold

3550
04:55:26,640 --> 04:55:27,020
ground.

3551
04:55:27,220 --> 04:55:27,700
I apologize.

3552
04:55:28,260 --> 04:55:28,980
Mr. Vice President.

3553
04:55:29,160 --> 04:55:34,280
The James Shanley did want to speak of our 51 as he stated.

3554
04:55:36,500 --> 04:55:37,500
Which is what we're on now.

3555
04:55:38,220 --> 04:55:38,440
Okay.

3556
04:55:38,680 --> 04:55:39,140
Excuse me.

3557
04:55:39,380 --> 04:55:39,580
Perfect.

3558
04:55:41,240 --> 04:55:42,340
Shall we go to him now?

3559
04:55:42,620 --> 04:55:43,000
One second.

3560
04:55:43,320 --> 04:55:43,560
It's taking.

3561
04:55:46,820 --> 04:55:48,220
Councillor Rogers for opening.

3562
04:55:49,780 --> 04:55:51,200
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

3563
04:55:51,200 --> 04:55:55,320
And this, I'm grateful to Councillor Grow and Councillor Volcker.

3564
04:55:55,460 --> 04:56:02,680
I think this also approached for help with a gap in financing for a project in our community

3565
04:56:02,680 --> 04:56:09,460
that has received fake capital dollars received MFA funding and governor funding as we heard from

3566
04:56:09,460 --> 04:56:10,140
Roger Valdez.

3567
04:56:10,180 --> 04:56:18,860
That was a public speaker earlier and I do want to move my amendment A number one in our

3568
04:56:21,800 --> 04:56:30,540
This will require a title change so we will defer after we do this amendment as per our rules

3569
04:56:30,540 --> 04:56:32,040
when we change our titles.

3570
04:56:32,840 --> 04:56:36,600
And so this is beginning on page 1, line 3, amend as follow.

3571
04:56:37,240 --> 04:56:45,460
You're just going to remove project number 24, dash i2735 and then on page 1, beginning

3572
04:56:45,460 --> 04:56:50,700
online eight we're removing that whole striking the whole red there just taking out that

3573
04:56:50,700 --> 04:56:58,600
fund number and then on page one line twenty one same thing we're just removing the project

3574
04:56:58,600 --> 04:57:05,020
number twenty four i twenty seven thirty five and and then on page two line nine same thing

3575
04:57:05,020 --> 04:57:11,740
removing the project number and then section one removing any reference to that project number.

3576
04:57:11,740 --> 04:57:29,820
And that's because we worked with the administration, so thank you to Jordan and Monica Montoya for helping us find a good solution so that we can make sure two projects that are slated to be breaking ground any day really can actually happen.

3577
04:57:29,820 --> 04:57:33,300
So I appreciate the collaboration from the department,

3578
04:57:34,220 --> 04:57:35,940
and we were able to come up with a fix

3579
04:57:35,940 --> 04:57:40,440
where we can take all of the funding from project number 24-I

3580
04:57:40,440 --> 04:57:42,840
two, six, nine, nine, so we're just removing

3581
04:57:43,680 --> 04:57:45,700
any language for the other fund number.

3582
04:57:45,860 --> 04:57:46,980
And I was back at that.

3583
04:57:46,980 --> 04:57:47,980
OK, that was my question.

3584
04:57:48,160 --> 04:57:50,340
We have an amendment and a second now by Councillor.

3585
04:57:51,040 --> 04:57:52,120
Committed a whole group.

3586
04:57:54,800 --> 04:57:55,720
Is this a board?

3587
04:57:57,060 --> 04:57:58,540
I have, I know that.

3588
04:57:59,020 --> 04:58:00,840
She hasn't closed yet, man.

3589
04:58:00,840 --> 04:58:02,480
It was about to ask if there were any questions.

3590
04:58:03,680 --> 04:58:04,520
Councillor Pissot.

3591
04:58:04,840 --> 04:58:08,780
Mr. Vice President, I actually have several questions, and I get that we're on the amendment,

3592
04:58:09,780 --> 04:58:15,280
but for those listening, can we have a description of what these two projects are from the state?

3593
04:58:18,480 --> 04:58:19,000
Either Councillor.

3594
04:58:19,760 --> 04:58:20,100
I don't know.

3595
04:58:20,100 --> 04:58:20,260
I don't know.

3596
04:58:20,700 --> 04:58:21,380
Thank you.

3597
04:58:21,420 --> 04:58:22,300
I'm happy to answer.

3598
04:58:22,620 --> 04:58:23,460
Are you asking me?

3599
04:58:24,520 --> 04:58:29,320
Yeah, I mean, or whoever from the department or I just, I would like for the public to know,

3600
04:58:29,340 --> 04:58:31,380
and I would like to have some.

3601
04:58:31,380 --> 04:58:31,660
Sure.

3602
04:58:31,660 --> 04:58:45,580
So project number 24, I $27-35 was capital outlay dollars for housing, specifically tied to that was in our equity and inclusion office.

3603
04:58:46,020 --> 04:58:53,480
That was moved over to a project also in my district for the choice neighborhood grant that we're applying for for HUD.

3604
04:58:53,480 --> 04:59:02,880
That money was slated, and I wasn't aware of that until I met with the department for replanting of city lot that we would build some housing on.

3605
04:59:03,300 --> 04:59:07,460
And so we're due to hear about that, but whether we get the ground or not, that project is moving forward.

3606
04:59:07,840 --> 04:59:14,260
I wasn't aware of that when we wrote it, and so now that we are, we want to remove that so that we don't inadvertently mess up that project.

3607
04:59:14,260 --> 04:59:35,040
The other one that we're pulling all of the funding from the I-24-I-2699 is just re-appropriating affordable housing dollars that already existed at the city of Albuquerque to pull from for this project.

3608
04:59:35,620 --> 04:59:37,260
So that's the switch that we're making.

3609
04:59:37,260 --> 04:59:52,640
So, Mr. Vice President, I guess from the administration, who lobbies for just affordable housing dollars for the city is that something that's been already committed somewhere else, or is this available funds that's going to close a gap?

3610
04:59:53,640 --> 04:59:59,960
You know, I just, I would, I think I have part-burn over the idea of us starting to realize.

3611
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:08,440
And I guess I'll get into that in a little bit. But I would like to know when it's affordable housing dollars, is that allocated to something already?

3612
05:00:09,320 --> 05:00:24,320
Mr. Vice President and Councillor Bassan, I think Deputy Director, we're all I can speak to the RFP that we issued in the projects that were awarded in the original RFP that these project funds were allocated to.

3613
05:00:24,320 --> 05:00:28,900
And I'm sorry to interrupt. Just real quick. Just also make sure if it's to be

3614
05:00:28,900 --> 05:00:35,160
pulling from specifically the one project now. If this amendment were to pass, but then I

3615
05:00:35,160 --> 05:00:40,140
am curious, and I think for everyone else, it's benefit to know. So you said there's an RFP that's

3616
05:00:40,140 --> 05:00:46,820
already happened. Mr. Vice President, and Councillor Pison, yes. I believe that an RFP was issued

3617
05:00:46,820 --> 05:00:53,660
and competed for. And I'll let Mr. Burrell. I'm sorry. Burrell and Burrell, I've

3618
05:00:53,660 --> 05:01:00,180
And in next step, speak to what that RFP was for and how we awarded those funds previously.

3619
05:01:02,040 --> 05:01:03,740
Mr. Vice President, Councilor Bessong.

3620
05:01:04,360 --> 05:01:11,860
So to the general question, it is not uncommon for the department to get general affordable housing grants through the state CIP process.

3621
05:01:12,160 --> 05:01:19,220
Generally speaking, when those grants are received, we do RFP them out as a component for funding through a competitive process.

3622
05:01:19,220 --> 05:01:23,740
for the specific grant that was totaling $780,000,

3623
05:01:24,020 --> 05:01:26,740
there was an RFP process that occurred for that.

3624
05:01:27,220 --> 05:01:28,920
So on June 11th, 2025,

3625
05:01:29,400 --> 05:01:33,400
HHH issued RFP 2025-669,

3626
05:01:33,760 --> 05:01:37,940
and that was a multi-site RFP process

3627
05:01:37,940 --> 05:01:40,680
for an affordable housing homeowners project.

3628
05:01:41,060 --> 05:01:42,680
There was two components to it.

3629
05:01:42,680 --> 05:01:45,800
One component was city owned land,

3630
05:01:45,800 --> 05:01:52,600
and the CIP grant in the Brella's era, and the other component of it was city-owned land,

3631
05:01:53,480 --> 05:01:56,280
and this particular grant in the Signing National Era.

3632
05:01:57,020 --> 05:02:04,900
So, through that RFP process on October 6, 2025, an award letter was issued to the Santa Fe Community Housing Trust

3633
05:02:04,900 --> 05:02:10,440
to provide both the property and both grants to them for a affordable home ownership project.

3634
05:02:10,440 --> 05:02:21,860
At this point in time, development agreement has not been executed with the Santa Fe Community Housing Trust for those projects, specifically because the developer is still attempting to find

3635
05:02:21,860 --> 05:02:25,760
GAP financing to make this project pensable financially.

3636
05:02:27,500 --> 05:02:29,540
So Mr. Vice President, I guess.

3637
05:02:30,760 --> 05:02:41,080
So, if we pass this, then that goes away, correct, and I mean, okay, let me, but before,

3638
05:02:41,260 --> 05:02:45,960
because I'm just going to do my questions now, because they are, I mean, it's going to be affected by this.

3639
05:02:46,020 --> 05:02:46,520
Thank you.

3640
05:02:48,000 --> 05:02:55,440
So, was this with the state capital program, was it something that counselors lobbied for,

3641
05:02:55,440 --> 05:03:03,440
Or is this something that was on the ever-loving book of priorities that we, that the mayor

3642
05:03:03,440 --> 05:03:05,640
sends up and that the admins sends up?

3643
05:03:05,920 --> 05:03:06,320
Or it is.

3644
05:03:06,440 --> 05:03:09,740
So where did this money, who went out to retrieve this money?

3645
05:03:10,140 --> 05:03:11,220
Madam, see you.

3646
05:03:11,340 --> 05:03:18,580
Mr. Vice President and Councillor Vassan, generally with affordable housing dollars, we lobby across

3647
05:03:18,580 --> 05:03:24,360
all of our, all of us, to have as much affordable housing dollars going towards the city

3648
05:03:24,360 --> 05:03:27,480
and the projects that we know that we have.

3649
05:03:27,940 --> 05:03:30,720
In specific, these two specific project numbers,

3650
05:03:30,920 --> 05:03:34,580
I believe these were general capital outlay appropriations

3651
05:03:34,580 --> 05:03:36,540
that came through the legislative process

3652
05:03:36,540 --> 05:03:39,500
in the distribution of affordable housing funds.

3653
05:03:40,500 --> 05:03:43,340
I don't think we could say it's our proportionate amount,

3654
05:03:43,420 --> 05:03:46,140
I think it's just ensuring that dollars are coming

3655
05:03:46,140 --> 05:03:47,200
to the city of Albuquerque.

3656
05:03:48,760 --> 05:03:52,460
And we issue those, typically, issue those funds through RFP

3657
05:03:52,460 --> 05:03:58,600
to allow for the highest ranked possible affordable housing projects to be awarded those dollars

3658
05:03:58,600 --> 05:04:02,740
based upon the RFP criteria that we set each time.

3659
05:04:03,260 --> 05:04:10,460
And at this one, I believe it was related to homeowner affordable housing and home ownership was the priority set by this RFP.

3660
05:04:12,080 --> 05:04:21,660
And Mr. Vice President, I guess another question I have is if there was already an RFP and all of that had already happened,

3661
05:04:21,660 --> 05:04:28,020
and then why were these two project numbers picked to now move into this project?

3662
05:04:29,180 --> 05:04:31,120
Thank you Mr. Vice-President. I appreciate the question.

3663
05:04:31,460 --> 05:04:36,560
We relied on the Department to help us come up with a solution when we found out that the funds

3664
05:04:36,560 --> 05:04:40,060
that we had originally allocated were already spoken for.

3665
05:04:40,280 --> 05:04:46,260
And because this project is this particular one for this development agreement has not been executed

3666
05:04:46,260 --> 05:04:52,100
in over a year. The Department felt confident that we could still move forward on projects

3667
05:04:52,100 --> 05:04:58,080
that are ready now and replace this funding in this RFP. We've already asked the legislators

3668
05:04:58,080 --> 05:04:59,980
to re-allocate some of our re-off.

3669
05:05:04,620 --> 05:05:23,720
Okay, the one thing that we can get to a meeting is a panel of public meetings.

3670
05:05:23,720 --> 05:05:24,320
And that's a new package, a meeting between governments, and a committee.

3671
05:05:24,320 --> 05:05:26,680
So, the time that is a bill that has been banished, it's a critical moment, which is a problem.

3672
05:05:26,680 --> 05:05:29,040
In the end, the issue is some of the recommendations used for the decision, if we'd like to support the policy.

3673
05:05:29,040 --> 05:05:29,980
We have one another, a little bit of a little bit of a problem to ask for a case.

3674
05:05:29,980 --> 05:05:32,680
and then figure out a plan for the other ones that are waiting.

3675
05:05:33,900 --> 05:05:42,340
And so Mr. Vice President, I think that I, so is that no disrespect, Councillor, is the Department good with this?

3676
05:05:42,740 --> 05:05:48,680
Is the administration good with this? I guess, and then I have another question that I'm trying not to go attend tendental,

3677
05:05:49,300 --> 05:05:53,760
but is this something that the Department is fine with and that the admin agrees with?

3678
05:05:54,260 --> 05:05:56,000
Mr. Vice President, Council of the Sun.

3679
05:05:56,580 --> 05:06:03,460
So we do have two grant agreements, both of which were issued in 2025, totaling about $446,000.

3680
05:06:04,320 --> 05:06:09,940
As the language in those agreements are currently written, one is for a subdivision and one

3681
05:06:09,940 --> 05:06:14,360
is for a motel renovation, which we do not have a motel renovation project.

3682
05:06:14,800 --> 05:06:18,700
And so the intent of the Department is to request reauthorization for both of those grants.

3683
05:06:19,200 --> 05:06:23,080
Should they be reauthorized, there is the ability to make the Santa Fe Community Housing

3684
05:06:23,080 --> 05:06:28,220
trust whole, the variable in that is that it is dependent on reauthorization and going through

3685
05:06:28,220 --> 05:06:32,900
the legislative process to remove or edit some of the language to make it fit this specific

3686
05:06:32,900 --> 05:06:33,580
project.

3687
05:06:34,360 --> 05:06:40,260
Okay, and I think my last question is, I mean, I was always under the impression that if we're

3688
05:06:40,260 --> 05:06:53,060
going to move any kind of capital dollars that are obtained from Santa Fe that it needs to

3689
05:06:53,060 --> 05:06:55,240
I was going to say something to completely inappropriate.

3690
05:06:56,460 --> 05:07:00,520
This is the whole new mind game that I'm not aware of,

3691
05:07:00,680 --> 05:07:04,200
because I've always been told that we should reauthorize

3692
05:07:04,200 --> 05:07:04,920
and have the legislators.

3693
05:07:05,260 --> 05:07:09,100
So I would hate for us to do something that the legislators are

3694
05:07:09,100 --> 05:07:11,460
going to say, no, I gave funding for that project.

3695
05:07:11,640 --> 05:07:13,360
And now we're going to change it up.

3696
05:07:14,860 --> 05:07:17,900
So I don't know, Director Pitya, you have something with your history

3697
05:07:17,900 --> 05:07:19,980
and all of that that could help clarify.

3698
05:07:20,840 --> 05:07:27,260
Mr. Vice President, we can counsel for some if so I asked the question like where does this

3699
05:07:27,260 --> 05:07:31,660
money come from is it from individual legislators or and then that would be important

3700
05:07:31,660 --> 05:07:38,540
to be going to change the intent or the intent of the legislator. If this was just from one

3701
05:07:38,540 --> 05:07:42,900
of my understanding is this was just a pot of money that council and the administration went up

3702
05:07:42,900 --> 05:07:47,960
and said we would just like housing dollars so it was pretty broad. So in that sense it makes sense

3703
05:07:47,960 --> 05:07:50,140
that they would go to our P to figure out what was happening.

3704
05:07:51,940 --> 05:07:54,260
We can verify that since this has to be deferred anyway,

3705
05:07:55,180 --> 05:07:57,840
and verify that that money is in fact a plot

3706
05:07:57,840 --> 05:08:01,280
of just a pot of money that legislators were giving.

3707
05:08:04,940 --> 05:08:07,640
If the scope is broad enough,

3708
05:08:08,320 --> 05:08:10,080
then we don't need to go back to Santa Fe

3709
05:08:10,080 --> 05:08:12,800
because the scope will allow the money to be used

3710
05:08:12,800 --> 05:08:14,300
for this particular project.

3711
05:08:14,300 --> 05:08:27,460
That is why they said that the scope for these other two pots of money, they'll have to go back to Santa Fe to redo the scope in a reauthorization so that the scope is broad enough to allow them to use it for the other project.

3712
05:08:29,500 --> 05:08:29,900
Education.

3713
05:08:30,560 --> 05:08:31,100
Thank you.

3714
05:08:31,320 --> 05:08:35,140
I don't know if Madam CEO had something else to say or not, but thank you.

3715
05:08:35,440 --> 05:08:35,800
Thank you.

3716
05:08:35,880 --> 05:08:37,280
Just my president, Councillor.

3717
05:08:37,660 --> 05:08:40,640
Just for clarity on the two pots of money we would have to have reauthorize.

3718
05:08:40,780 --> 05:08:43,960
There were some changes done at the state level in regards to the authorizations.

3719
05:08:43,960 --> 05:08:48,700
they do allow only one time for reauthorization of that funding and therefore we do have to make

3720
05:08:48,700 --> 05:08:52,560
sure that we have a support of the state to be able to re-appropriate the funding to make that

3721
05:08:52,560 --> 05:08:58,300
full. And so that's a consideration. It's not a guarantee, right? So I do understand the pressing.

3722
05:08:58,440 --> 05:09:02,220
We have a project that's viable. The scope is broad enough to be able to put the money there.

3723
05:09:02,760 --> 05:09:07,340
It is also not guaranteed the authorization would happen. And therefore we have to submit that

3724
05:09:07,340 --> 05:09:10,680
because the two scopes of which we would redirect funding to make it all again,

3725
05:09:10,680 --> 05:09:15,460
could get caught or could get flag. There's no guarantee, but we would make that attempt to

3726
05:09:15,460 --> 05:09:19,140
able to make it full and then re-appropriate that money to fill it. Secondly, we wanted

3727
05:09:19,140 --> 05:09:22,780
to be clear that the two projects that were fun to do sit and respect the district areas,

3728
05:09:22,980 --> 05:09:28,340
right? So I believe in Councilor Box area, as well as Councilor Penis. And so that is where the

3729
05:09:28,340 --> 05:09:32,300
finding would sit for this particular project that would, you know, it still needs to be made full

3730
05:09:32,300 --> 05:09:36,780
and full, but this appropriation is pending that. That's why there is no development agreed.

3731
05:09:38,300 --> 05:09:42,020
Mr. Vice President, no, because he was responding to me.

3732
05:09:42,800 --> 05:09:44,000
Thank you.

3733
05:09:45,560 --> 05:09:51,700
So these projects are not pulling from something that's already existing in district six or district nine.

3734
05:09:52,580 --> 05:09:57,700
Mr. Vice President Kaspersot, not currently existing awarded, but not fully funded for full development yet.

3735
05:09:57,880 --> 05:09:58,640
The projects are on conflict.

3736
05:09:59,140 --> 05:09:59,980
I mean, are we going to go down?

3737
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:04,100
On that road, we're going to start doing that to each other.

3738
05:10:04,200 --> 05:10:09,040
Madam C.A. Okay. Thank you. Councillor Rogers.

3739
05:10:09,700 --> 05:10:16,140
Yeah, thank you, Madam President. I think it's our Mr. Vice President. I think it's important to note

3740
05:10:17,540 --> 05:10:22,040
just important to note that the part where we're trying to reauthorize is for the motel conversions.

3741
05:10:22,040 --> 05:10:27,560
It's not the whole pot and there's not a current project holding correct Mr.

3742
05:10:28,300 --> 05:10:32,400
Button for Motel conversions for this money.

3743
05:10:32,400 --> 05:10:34,260
Mr. President, Councilor, that's correct.

3744
05:10:34,760 --> 05:10:39,580
So we're not trying to take money already, you slated for any projects and any other districts.

3745
05:10:39,740 --> 05:10:45,000
That is not my intention and I definitely asked that question to make sure before we did this.

3746
05:10:45,380 --> 05:10:51,260
This is all we're doing is reauthorizing the word motel conversions to say we want to use that pot

3747
05:10:51,260 --> 05:10:52,440
for this funding.

3748
05:10:53,080 --> 05:10:55,440
We've already reached out to the legislators as well,

3749
05:10:55,700 --> 05:10:57,500
just I've been doing my due diligence as well

3750
05:10:57,500 --> 05:10:58,520
and talking to them.

3751
05:10:58,780 --> 05:11:02,120
And it's really just the motel conversion part of that money

3752
05:11:02,120 --> 05:11:05,620
that we're reauthorizing and requesting a reauthorization.

3753
05:11:06,140 --> 05:11:08,000
This is something I'm working on with my legislators.

3754
05:11:08,060 --> 05:11:12,260
I get their report and I help them see what money we can find

3755
05:11:12,260 --> 05:11:13,380
and reauthorize.

3756
05:11:14,260 --> 05:11:16,900
And we do need to wait for the legislative session as well.

3757
05:11:16,900 --> 05:11:19,360
So I want to be fully transparent in the process.

3758
05:11:19,360 --> 05:11:24,780
But the part that we're taking from this is for the motel conversions and there is no

3759
05:11:24,780 --> 05:11:29,000
project slated or any development agreements right now for motel conversions.

3760
05:11:29,520 --> 05:11:30,880
Councillor PASS.

3761
05:11:31,020 --> 05:11:35,740
Thank you Mr. Vice President. I just have a question. Can you confirm that this came from

3762
05:11:35,740 --> 05:11:41,640
HB2? Is this from HB2 the Department of Finance? Pull money? Because that's what I'm

3763
05:11:41,640 --> 05:11:49,340
looking at where it says to support housing, portable housing, transitional housing and the

3764
05:11:49,340 --> 05:11:52,080
providers that facilitate behavioral health services,

3765
05:11:52,200 --> 05:11:54,400
substance abuse recovery, homelessness, assistance,

3766
05:11:54,520 --> 05:11:56,900
and prevention for persons with behavioral health needs.

3767
05:11:57,720 --> 05:12:01,800
So if I just want to make sure it's coming from that,

3768
05:12:02,200 --> 05:12:05,480
from HB2, DFA.

3769
05:12:05,980 --> 05:12:07,740
Because if it is, it should be fine.

3770
05:12:09,100 --> 05:12:09,140
Good.

3771
05:12:10,460 --> 05:12:12,060
Mr. Vice President, Councillor Tess,

3772
05:12:12,300 --> 05:12:14,260
that is my understanding. I don't have the agreement in front of me,

3773
05:12:15,000 --> 05:12:16,560
but this, my understanding has been appropriate

3774
05:12:16,560 --> 05:12:18,340
to the House of Prophecy, no, HV2.

3775
05:12:19,240 --> 05:12:21,180
So it's HV2, DFA.

3776
05:12:21,540 --> 05:12:22,160
No, 400.

3777
05:12:22,400 --> 05:12:23,280
How many times did I say that?

3778
05:12:23,400 --> 05:12:24,580
So it's been a little shaking now.

3779
05:12:24,580 --> 05:12:25,740
It's not HV2, HV2, HV2.

3780
05:12:25,740 --> 05:12:27,200
This is 2025 money.

3781
05:12:27,300 --> 05:12:28,820
HV2 is 2026.

3782
05:12:29,580 --> 05:12:32,300
This is money that's been sitting here since 2025.

3783
05:12:33,320 --> 05:12:34,440
Madam, I'm sorry, Mr.

3784
05:12:34,740 --> 05:12:39,020
If I make pressure record, these project numbers are 24 dash,

3785
05:12:39,120 --> 05:12:44,600
which means they are from fiscal year 24, which is not the HV2 bill

3786
05:12:44,600 --> 05:12:47,560
that you just read different legislative sessions.

3787
05:12:47,740 --> 05:12:49,040
So I just want to be super clear.

3788
05:12:49,680 --> 05:12:52,280
I just want to make sure we're really accurate because, again,

3789
05:12:52,680 --> 05:12:54,800
just want to make sure we have the facts.

3790
05:12:55,200 --> 05:12:56,480
So regular session of 2024?

3791
05:12:56,960 --> 05:12:57,280
Yes.

3792
05:12:58,100 --> 05:12:59,240
And just want to be clear.

3793
05:13:00,020 --> 05:13:07,360
The funding that these projects are funded are not the motel conversion.

3794
05:13:07,580 --> 05:13:12,560
The funding that we are ultimately in these projects is the RFP that we issued

3795
05:13:12,560 --> 05:13:18,520
in which we awarded the project in San Ignacio and Boralas.

3796
05:13:19,320 --> 05:13:25,640
What we will have to do is take the Motel Conversion funding that we received and then

3797
05:13:25,640 --> 05:13:31,780
the second project and have those reauthorized in the next legislative session or at the

3798
05:13:31,780 --> 05:13:36,560
least attempt because we hear that that is going to be far more scrutiny on doing

3799
05:13:36,560 --> 05:13:42,920
not going forward, to then back fill the San Ignacio and the Barralis projects.

3800
05:13:43,260 --> 05:13:47,120
So I just want to be really clear about the sequencing because I don't want anyone to

3801
05:13:47,120 --> 05:13:49,360
think that we're pulling any fast ones on anybody.

3802
05:13:50,260 --> 05:13:54,180
The sequence is really important because I know in time we get let just say the dollars we

3803
05:13:54,180 --> 05:13:57,340
need to be able to show where they go and how they progress.

3804
05:13:58,360 --> 05:13:59,740
So hopefully that's clear.

3805
05:13:59,900 --> 05:14:00,820
Councillor Tays.

3806
05:14:01,240 --> 05:14:03,180
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

3807
05:14:03,180 --> 05:14:20,700
So I'm looking at HB2 from 2024 and it does say that there's a specific line item here for to convene and engage service providers to develop new community solutions for affordable housing in the international district in Albuquerque.

3808
05:14:21,760 --> 05:14:24,180
Is that where this is coming from?

3809
05:14:25,140 --> 05:14:26,920
That's specific in the bill.

3810
05:14:26,920 --> 05:14:34,260
Mr. Vice President and Mr. Vice President, and Mr. Vice President and Council Teyes, what we

3811
05:14:34,260 --> 05:14:40,540
can state is that the capital outlay project number and the agreement that we signed with

3812
05:14:40,540 --> 05:14:46,380
the state has these specific scopes that are in this, with these whereas clauses. I can't

3813
05:14:46,380 --> 05:14:56,900
probably trace it on the fly back to exactly which line in HB2 it was coming from, but what we

3814
05:14:56,900 --> 05:14:59,980
Okay, we shouldn't be too hard. We can...

3815
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:07,440
Review that offline and trace it back if we have to, because there is specific language in here for international district.

3816
05:15:08,160 --> 05:15:15,320
Okay, and Councillor Tess, it is thinking, because of this amendment that we're still on, it's going to need to be deferred.

3817
05:15:15,320 --> 05:15:18,560
Anyway, so it gives time to appropriately do this. Okay.

3818
05:15:18,900 --> 05:15:25,120
So we are on the amendment with a due pass for form amendment number one.

3819
05:15:25,120 --> 05:15:26,320
I urge your support.

3820
05:15:26,980 --> 05:15:27,760
There we go, the closing.

3821
05:15:29,700 --> 05:15:32,600
All those in favor of amendment number one, raise your hand, say yes.

3822
05:15:33,220 --> 05:15:33,380
Yes.

3823
05:15:34,360 --> 05:15:34,920
All opposed?

3824
05:15:35,700 --> 05:15:36,200
No, no.

3825
05:15:36,200 --> 05:15:36,360
OK.

3826
05:15:36,760 --> 05:15:39,660
So we're back on the bill as amended are 51.

3827
05:15:40,340 --> 05:15:41,260
Any further discussion?

3828
05:15:41,380 --> 05:15:42,640
I think we got through all the discussion

3829
05:15:42,640 --> 05:15:44,040
on the amendment bar, exactly.

3830
05:15:44,760 --> 05:15:47,260
Yes, Mr. Vice President, I would just move a deferral

3831
05:15:47,260 --> 05:15:52,240
to our next council meeting, which is September 9th.

3832
05:15:52,260 --> 05:15:52,440
OK.

3833
05:15:52,620 --> 05:15:54,980
So there's a motion to defer until September 9

3834
05:15:54,980 --> 05:15:58,540
You have a second, second in by many of the whole ground.

3835
05:16:01,110 --> 05:16:03,550
I can ask if there's a discussion on those of favor of the firm.

3836
05:16:03,790 --> 05:16:04,730
Raise your hands to yes.

3837
05:16:05,650 --> 05:16:05,790
Yes.

3838
05:16:06,490 --> 05:16:06,890
Opposed?

3839
05:16:07,590 --> 05:16:08,030
Passes.

3840
05:16:08,330 --> 05:16:08,950
All right.

3841
05:16:13,300 --> 05:16:17,740
Mr. Garrett, I believe I made a mistake because we did have a speaker on that.

3842
05:16:17,900 --> 05:16:19,360
So can we go to that speaker, please?

3843
05:16:23,440 --> 05:16:32,760
And I apologize to this speaker that we went through this quickly, but please accept my

3844
05:16:32,760 --> 05:16:33,120
apology.

3845
05:16:36,990 --> 05:16:38,210
Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

3846
05:16:38,210 --> 05:16:40,330
we have James Shanley.

3847
05:16:41,270 --> 05:16:41,330
All right.

3848
05:16:41,410 --> 05:16:43,170
So you don't have to raise your hand this time, I promise.

3849
05:16:45,470 --> 05:16:51,190
So Mr. Vice President Counselor, is that actually I probably should defer my comment

3850
05:16:51,190 --> 05:16:55,070
until you are going to act on this.

3851
05:16:55,590 --> 05:17:02,030
But my intention was to not only urge you to support this resolution,

3852
05:17:02,030 --> 05:17:12,170
but actually to engage and activate as a council in replicating this type of project.

3853
05:17:12,230 --> 05:17:20,450
I'm not sure if all of you understand that this street vision project at 161, Chama,

3854
05:17:21,230 --> 05:17:28,190
will probably produce the most affordable, sustainably affordable housing in Albuquerque

3855
05:17:28,190 --> 05:17:37,950
for families earning less than 40% of AMI, the majority of so-called affordable housing projects

3856
05:17:37,950 --> 05:17:45,710
that go on are not aimed at people in that economic circumstance, but we certainly have

3857
05:17:45,710 --> 05:17:47,890
plenty in the city who are.

3858
05:17:48,750 --> 05:17:55,970
So I will carry on with this again in the future, but I urge you to consider the value of community

3859
05:17:55,970 --> 05:18:01,570
land trust in this kind of project and the fact that the mayor didn't point out that the

3860
05:18:01,570 --> 05:18:13,290
city owns 1,128 parcels comprising 22,581 acres of vacant land. That is abundance we should

3861
05:18:13,290 --> 05:18:18,510
put it to work. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I appreciate your understanding and look forward to hearing

3862
05:18:18,510 --> 05:18:20,810
in your comments again on the night.

3863
05:18:22,970 --> 05:18:23,470
R51.

3864
05:18:25,450 --> 05:18:26,370
No, I'm sorry.

3865
05:18:26,770 --> 05:18:27,270
R54.

3866
05:18:27,550 --> 05:18:31,270
R54, Mr. Vice President, a resolution authorizing the execution

3867
05:18:31,270 --> 05:18:34,750
delivery of a water project fund grant agreement by the,

3868
05:18:34,750 --> 05:18:36,190
and between the city of New Mexico,

3869
05:18:36,350 --> 05:18:38,630
finance authority and MFA in the city of Albuquerque,

3870
05:18:38,810 --> 05:18:42,070
the grantee in the total amount of $6.16 million.

3871
05:18:42,710 --> 05:18:43,730
I moved you past.

3872
05:18:43,770 --> 05:18:44,250
Second.

3873
05:18:44,550 --> 05:18:46,390
Motion and second by Council of Fibocorn.

3874
05:18:47,130 --> 05:18:47,830
There is an amendment.

3875
05:18:48,370 --> 05:18:53,050
Yes, we do have an amendment and believe it's in the iPads, is it not?

3876
05:18:53,450 --> 05:18:58,330
Yeah, and this is just technical amendment that allow the changes of who can sign in this case.

3877
05:18:58,550 --> 05:19:01,710
The CEO instead of the mayor

3878
05:19:06,280 --> 05:19:09,880
to see it up there on the TV, hopefully folks at home can see that.

3879
05:19:12,540 --> 05:19:13,140
Can we get a second?

3880
05:19:13,620 --> 05:19:14,060
Second.

3881
05:19:15,200 --> 05:19:19,560
There's a motion and a second for a due pass on amendment 1 for our 54.

3882
05:19:19,560 --> 05:19:21,160
Councillor, Councillor, any questions?

3883
05:19:22,500 --> 05:19:24,840
All those in favor of the amendment, raise your hand, say yes?

3884
05:19:25,500 --> 05:19:25,720
Yes?

3885
05:19:25,920 --> 05:19:26,680
All opposed?

3886
05:19:27,460 --> 05:19:28,500
That amendment passes.

3887
05:19:29,860 --> 05:19:30,580
Councillor Bunker.

3888
05:19:31,260 --> 05:19:31,740
Thank you.

3889
05:19:31,820 --> 05:19:36,480
This is the long going project, and we've got some funding ready to go.

3890
05:19:36,720 --> 05:19:38,780
We'll just need to vote, yes.

3891
05:19:39,960 --> 05:19:40,700
Councillor, any questions?

3892
05:19:40,860 --> 05:19:41,780
I heard your support.

3893
05:19:42,660 --> 05:19:43,280
I'm hoping to go.

3894
05:19:43,480 --> 05:19:46,280
Councillor, any questions on our 54?

3895
05:19:53,380 --> 05:19:59,600
Being no questions or comments on our 54, the motion is to do pass as amended on our 54, those in favor of your agency.

3896
05:20:00,500 --> 05:20:04,380
Those opposed, no, the amendment passes.

3897
05:20:07,900 --> 05:20:15,500
And I believe that concludes all on our agenda, so seeing nothing further, this meeting is adjourned.