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[0:43] Good evening, everyone. Today is August 17, 2026, the 16th meeting of the 27 Council will come to order. All counters are present this evening.
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[4:07] Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I just wanted to follow up from our conversation last week about
[4:14] cleanliness and district sick. So I'll ask the directors, Solid Waste Transit,
[4:19] Code Enforcement, GSD, DMD, and Parks and Rec to come on down.
[4:25] And I don't have another slide show, so just don't want to put us through that again.
[4:30] I just wanted to publicly think this team for your action last meeting, after we went through
[4:41] that exercise, I saw a visible change in my district and in some of the cleanliness and
[4:49] things that are happening in district six.
[4:52] But I just wanted to ask a follow-up question.
[4:53] What did we learn about the telephone poles and the shoes?
[4:57] Who actually removes those?
[5:00] I know that was something we weren't sure of last time, so just wondering, what do we find out about?
[5:04] Who removes the shoes from the light poles and all the different things that we have?
[5:08] Madam Chair Council Rogers, some I understand that it's P&M, and I know I'm not sure somebody was going to reach out to P&M. I don't know who that was.
[5:17] Thank you, Madam President. Who we've started to the P&M?
[5:25] Thank you, Madam President. I'll take that as no one.
[5:30] Thank you, Madam President, Councillor Rogers.
[5:34] We have multiple ongoing conversations going on right now with P&N.
[5:38] And I think we have a range to phone call, and I will make sure that we include that
[5:43] on the list to ask them about how they go about prioritizing and scheduling that because
[5:49] I don't know that any of us have insight into their shoe removal strategy.
[5:55] Thank you, Madam President.
[5:56] And then I know, does the city have bucket trucks and in our fleet?
[6:05] Madam President Council Rogers, we do, but we don't have the authority to touch P&M lines.
[6:10] So like there are strict restrictions around P&M polls, P&M lines, and all of that.
[6:15] So that's a big part of our utility.
[6:18] Is that what we would refer to?
[6:24] Madam President, Councillor Rogers, so yes, DMD traffic engineering does have bucket trucks
[6:31] that are dedicated every day to addressing traffic signal issues that, as you know, when
[6:38] the traffic signal goes out, it's an emergency.
[6:40] We deploy people.
[6:41] We have them on staff, 24, 7, to make sure those safety issues are handled, but we do not
[6:46] have authority to interfere or handle PNM equipment?
[6:53] Sure, thank you.
[6:54] That helps the public also know who we need to hold accountable
[6:57] for those things.
[6:58] But I at least my expectation was someone on our team
[7:01] would have reached out and asked that question
[7:04] or asked them to remove them.
[7:07] So I would love to see a regular process for that.
[7:10] And then I just do Dr. Keener.
[7:12] I do want to ask for some extra help on our bus stops
[7:14] because I did not see a big change in our bus stops,
[7:20] especially one that you and I have talked about putting benches.
[7:24] There's no trash cans, if it's just a single bench.
[7:28] And so I would love your help, especially along central
[7:30] on the bus stops, especially the one outside the ID library,
[7:34] because that one's still pretty in disrepair.
[7:39] So could you help me with that?
[7:41] Council President, Councilor Rogers, yes, we can.
[7:43] And we were actually working through some staffing issues right now on the bus stop maintenance
[7:46] side.
[7:47] But they're holding interviews next week so we've got about 14 applicants that we're
[7:52] going through right now and a new supervisor that will be onboarded on the 24th.
[7:55] So we should have some good movement on the bus stops there.
[7:59] Wonderful.
[7:59] Thank you.
[8:00] I do see them on the platforms a lot and I know they're focusing on the platform so I just
[8:04] wanted to say that.
[8:05] Thank you.
[8:06] And then code enforcement for Pizza Hut on Central and Wyoming.
[8:11] I saw that pizza, did we clean it or did pizza clean it?
[8:16] And the Council President and Councillor Pizza Hut have received several notices of violation.
[8:21] They've been fined on it. They are cleaning it and they hopefully are to the point where they're willing to just tear the thing down and clear it a lot.
[8:30] That's what it looks like we're edging them towards that decision.
[8:34] Wonderful. Thank you so much. So thank you all so much. I did see a visible change in the district after we went through that exercise last time.
[8:41] And I promise I won't do it every meeting because I really want to, because it worked.
[8:47] But I know we can figure this out.
[8:48] And we will still our team is going to reach out to all of you to meet so we can get to
[8:52] this later ordinance and make some changes.
[8:54] Because there are some silent things about who handles neighborhood cleanliness that I think
[9:00] we can as a team figure out together.
[9:02] Thank you so much.
[9:04] Mr. President, my next question is for APD and ACS.
[9:07] if I could have Chief Barker and Jody Eskabel.
[9:20] And while you're coming down, I'll preface my question.
[9:23] Before we left on break, I asked specifically
[9:25] about Officer involved shootings
[9:27] and our process for those and asked specifically in one case
[9:32] why ACS wasn't dispatched.
[9:34] We had another case, another person lost their life again.
[9:40] Same type, I don't know this facts of the case, but first,
[9:43] Chief Barker, thank you for having your team send me.
[9:46] I'll break down of all of your processes that helped me understand what you all do when
[9:53] these things happen and so I thank you for that and we'll follow up.
[9:58] I know you couldn't make the meeting with me.
[10:00] Had scheduled this week, so we'll try to re-schedule so that I can ask some specific questions about that process.
[10:07] And then I, Jody, Director Estabelle is not here?
[10:11] She's not here tonight.
[10:12] Okay, thank you Walter. I'll be happy to ask you my questions.
[10:15] I asked Director Estabelle for a breakdown of the dispatch and why ACS wasn't dispatch and I haven't heard nothing back.
[10:22] Can you, do you know if anybody from the department is looked into this?
[10:26] As I asked, Council President and Council Rogers, yes, myself and Jody have gone over that and we do have an explanation that we would love to sit down with you and talk to you about and we did follow policy as far as the dispatch goes.
[10:40] But we would like to just review that with you so that you have that and we have had the opportunity to talk to other Councillors and go over that with them as well.
[10:47] Thank you. I'm doing this for the public.
[10:49] not for counselors, doing this for the folks who have lost loved ones, who have asked for,
[10:56] you know, some kind of follow-up. So I would like it to be public of what happened. And so
[11:03] if we're not able to do that today then I'd ask that you have that for us for next time so that we
[11:08] can, the public needs to know, not just counselors privately. President Pena and Council Rogers,
[11:15] we would be able to discuss that today but I would like to put together presentations so that
[11:18] that's thorough. If we can do that at the next council meeting, we would love to do that.
[11:22] That sounds great. We'll work with you to do that. I just, but the no response from director Eskivel is not, you know,
[11:30] the biggest champion for ACS up here, but you're not exempt from my tough love either.
[11:35] And so I would appreciate a response to that. And I thank you for letting me in the least you guys were both working on that.
[11:42] Thank you, Madam President.
[11:44] Councillor Grill.
[11:48] Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[11:50] I have a few questions for Director Stoker from Human Resources.
[12:08] Good evening, Director.
[12:09] Thank you for being here.
[12:11] This week, I asked you a few quick last week.
[12:15] I sent these questions to you last week about some employees that didn't get the 2% across the board raise that Council approved in the fiscal year 27 budget.
[12:24] Could you please very briefly describe the practice of red circling for everyone watching at home?
[12:33] Certainly Madam President comes to the ground. Red circling is a long honored and well established practice in terms of compensation.
[12:43] And in some it means that when an employee's pay is above the maximum of the pay range assigned to their position,
[12:52] They do not receive increases.
[12:55] It's borne out in the city's current rule structure in section 733 of the personal rules and regulations.
[13:02] Okay, thank you.
[13:03] How many employees were red circled and didn't get the raise that Council called for?
[13:08] At the beginning of FY27, we had 104 employees that were in non-bargaining positions
[13:17] who did not receive a 2% increase.
[13:20] Okay, how many employees received that raise and are now eligible for red circle?
[13:29] So, no one that was
[13:34] trying to think of it answer your question.
[13:38] Either the positions were already red circle or not.
[13:46] So, there were, I believe, some positions that were at or near the maximum of their pay range that have subsequently become red circle.
[13:55] They would have received the entire 2% increase.
[14:00] Thank you.
[14:01] I understand that red-circled employees are going to get a payout equivalent to
[14:06] the 2%.
[14:07] Does this lump sum count towards their para?
[14:11] Retirement payments?
[14:13] And there are over time pay and future percentage increases.
[14:18] Does this lump sum count toward those items?
[14:21] Madam President, Councillor Grette, I believe that those would fall under compensation that
[14:28] is considered for PRA and their retirement.
[14:32] It is not a change to the base rate that those employees get, so it would not impact
[14:38] over time or other things of that, Patre.
[14:42] Okay,
[14:45] are you sure about that, because I think it, I think that this practice does put
[14:52] the meta-distant vantage, some of those, so I think we need to follow up on that.
[14:57] Madam President comes to the grout. So to the end
[15:00] I extend that when you compute the hourly rate for an employee under the FLSA, you have to look at their overall average compensation. Then yes, it might have a small impact in that realm in terms of it being a change in their base rate for things like contractual over time or things of that nature, not that this applies to any bargaining unit employees, but it would not count in those circumstances.
[15:25] All right. Thank you, sir.
[15:30] I think we need to fix that. Mr. Vice President, I have one more comment to say actually a couple of it.
[15:39] I wanted to commend talk about to Dr. Iris, excuse me, Chief Barker. You don't have to come up, but I wanted to say that on Saturday evening I was invited to observe the DWI checkpoint in my in the Flick Hills.
[15:58] where we represent.
[16:01] So I got to go on that checkpoint evening.
[16:05] And I have to say that that team is very professional.
[16:09] It's very well organized.
[16:13] And so that was very cool.
[16:16] I also was equally impressed with the officers
[16:19] and the engagement they had between the folks
[16:24] that they did not do the search, but go through the process to, you know, if they
[16:34] qualified or not. And it was very professional. It was equally neat to see the people that
[16:42] they were interacting with. We're also very respectful of the officers. And then one of
[16:49] coolest things that I thought was when the person was not arrested for DWI.
[16:56] The officers escorted them back to their cars very, very nicely.
[17:01] And the interaction was just really good.
[17:04] So I was impressed with the on both sides to see.
[17:08] It was very good that there was respect on both sides.
[17:11] So I want to commend your officers for that.
[17:13] And then the public too.
[17:15] And then the people that came through the checkpoint, it was very smooth.
[17:18] And so it's that as it should be.
[17:21] So very good.
[17:21] Thank you.
[17:23] And then finally, for Director Turner,
[17:27] I had asked for a list of a timeline for when some street projects
[17:32] were going to be done in my district this year.
[17:36] And I had yet to receive that.
[17:38] So would you please get that to me this week?
[17:42] Madam President, Councillor Grout.
[17:44] So CIO's single had let me know while I was out last week about your questions for the timeline and so I went back through all my emails and our correspondence and I had actually provided a list to you of our upcurrent and upcoming projects and so some of these projects are actually not slated until like the next calendar year they're just upcoming big projects in D9.
[18:13] They're a total of actually almost $10 million worth of street projects, so that can't happen overnight.
[18:20] And we also kind of reconcile ourselves with the fact that obviously all counselors want their street projects done immediately.
[18:28] And we have a limited number of contractors that can do that work and can't do one fortunately nine districts worth of projects at the same time.
[18:37] So, I do not have a specific schedule right now of all of those projects, but we are working on them and look forward to obviously completing them and all of our projects around the city.
[18:53] Thank you. I am Mr. Vice President. I will get back with you because I have information that tells you told me that I would have these things done this year.
[19:03] So we'll chat offline. Thank you.
[19:09] Councillor Chays.
[19:13] Thank you, Mr. Vice-President.
[19:15] I have a few questions for Director Verella.
[19:33] Councillor Verella.
[19:35] Councillor, good evening.
[19:35] Hi, good evening.
[19:37] Madam President, Mr. Verella.
[19:40] I am still waiting on information about
[19:45] the light readers for code enforcement,
[19:49] regarding the lumens and codes because I've been continuing to get complaints from constituents about
[20:00] Neighbors, having lights directly into their, their lights, into their homes. And I recall that in April of this year, Councillor Lewis did provide $20,000 for a light reader to help with that work, but it was rescinded. And so I'm still waiting on information about why that was rescinded.
[20:27] And if the $20,000 is returned to Councillor Lewis and the legal memo that you referenced
[20:35] in our conversation about not being able to issue citations for outdoor lighting complaints
[20:46] because of preponderance of evidence concerns, have you ever been able to find that?
[20:55] and the SOP also. I'm still looking for the SOP on the end-forcent process for the luminance.
[21:02] So Council President and Councillor, I believe that you requested a copy of the
[21:08] notice of decision in one of the lighting cases. And I think that was sent to you.
[21:14] The other question was whether the department had used the funding string and the answer is no.
[21:21] So if you don't use a funding string, you didn't get the money so you don't have to return any
[21:25] because that wasn't utilized, and then we had a brief conversation about different philosophies
[21:37] about how to treat people, and I brought up the argument for preponderance of the evidence,
[21:44] and so our standard in a code enforcement case is we have to believe that the person is probably
[21:51] guilty of the violation. This was in the context of lighting and the IDEO, which went into
[21:59] effect approximately five years ago, exempts lighting and we're talking porch lights, folks,
[22:06] things like that, that existed or were installed before the IDEO came into place. There's a provision
[22:14] in there, I think that says by 2034 and I could be wrong on that year, people even if they had
[22:20] existing lighting that didn't comply, we'll have to change those out.
[22:25] And the example that I use is when I drive, because I thought about that a lot, and I drive
[22:31] through sections of town, I have relatives in different parts of town, some sections,
[22:38] not wealthy sections, basic sections of town, and I drive through and I can see people's
[22:42] porch lights.
[22:43] And I can see, they have those lights that you used to buy at Home Depot that are, which
[22:47] It's like a can, and you can see the bulb, and under the IDO, those would be illegal that
[22:55] have to get replaced by that grandfathered ear.
[22:59] My recollection of the conversation was I said, we were asked, we felt some interesting pressure
[23:09] to drive around town, citing everybody who had those, and I said, that's not our approach,
[23:15] that is not what we fill is constitutional.
[23:17] That is not what we fill is right.
[23:19] We have to, and I'm going to answer my questions.
[23:21] I don't interrupt you, please.
[23:22] But Council President, I said we're not going to do that.
[23:26] Where would we start?
[23:27] The International District?
[23:28] Would we start in the, in the Northease Heights?
[23:33] We're not going to do that.
[23:34] We continue to respond to complaints as they come in,
[23:38] normally through the 3-1, 1 system, and investigate those.
[23:41] Okay, Mr. Rela, I'm going to interrupt you.
[23:43] No, you can't.
[23:43] President, I'm going to interrupt you, Mr. Ferrell, because your story is not at all what our conversation was about.
[23:50] Our conversation was about my constituent who for a year has been seeking assistance because there is a light that is shining directly into his bedroom.
[24:02] And he has repeatedly submitted complaints to your department and have been told that there is nothing that we can do about it.
[24:11] When we had our conversation, Deputy Director Kaiser informed me that they don't have the correct tool to measure the lumens.
[24:21] And so I asked what tool do you need?
[24:24] And it was brought to my attention that actually Councillor Lewis already gave you the money to buy that tool to be able to do that job.
[24:32] It was then rescinded.
[24:34] So, I asked why was it rescinded and why didn't you buy the tool so that you could test the lumens so that my poor constituent can get some sleep at night.
[24:46] I have yet to receive an answer to that.
[24:50] The second part of that was I didn't ask if you drove around and gave citations.
[24:56] I said, how do you do complaints come into you?
[25:00] How do you track them and what is your process? I asked for an SOP. There was no SOP. I asked, do you what do you do when you have a new employee come to your department for this particular job? What do you have them? So they know how to do your their job. I have yet to receive that. I still don't know why.
[25:23] The tool that is supposed to be able to test these lumens has not been purchased, why the funding was rescinded.
[25:35] The second part of that was, I asked, well, why wasn't a citation issued?
[25:42] And the response was, well, there's a 10-year grandfather, so we can't issue the citations because we don't know about the 10 years.
[25:49] I then asked, well don't you have a hearing officer to do that work, where and you replied,
[25:56] yes, we do. So I asked again, why are you acting as the hearing officer and not issuing
[26:02] a citation? This is the same process we talked about. It would be like being me being pulled over
[26:10] and getting a ticket for not having insurance, even though I have insurance. I would still get
[26:17] ticket and have to go in front of a judge to show them that I have my insurance.
[26:25] So essentially you are acting as the judge by saying we're not going to issue this citation
[26:31] because we don't know if they're grandfathered in or not.
[26:34] That's not your call to make.
[26:37] That is the hearing officer's call to make.
[26:40] When we had this conversation, you said you received a legal memo from your legal department,
[26:48] instructing you that's what you're supposed to do.
[26:51] I've requested a copy of the legal memo, so I can understand the process.
[26:55] I've yet to receive that.
[26:57] I still have a constituent who can't sleep at night,
[27:00] because for the last year, a bright light has been shining right into his bedroom.
[27:05] So, again, my question is, not whether or not you need to drive around and issue citations,
[27:13] it's for the citations, for the complaints that you receive.
[27:19] How do you track them?
[27:21] How do you then go and test the lighting, Mr. Kaiser inform me that you go out at night and use
[27:28] your meter reader, but you don't have the proper one, so you haven't been able to do it.
[27:35] So, where is it?
[27:37] Councilor Tares.
[27:38] Those are my questions.
[27:40] So I don't appreciate you misleading our conversation.
[27:43] I just want the legal memo.
[27:45] I want the SLP.
[27:46] And I want to know why the money was rescinded for the tool that you said you needed.
[27:51] Thank you.
[27:52] Yes.
[27:53] Councilor President, if I could respond please.
[27:56] And so, you know, we have a memo that we put out earlier this year.
[28:00] And this is in Director to Councilor Tares.
[28:02] This is just in general.
[28:04] Directors are to be here till 530 answer our questions.
[28:07] So I just want everybody to be just aware.
[28:10] We still have, I think, a few people signed up to speak.
[28:12] And we're limited on time.
[28:14] And I did also want to ask Mr. Watson to come up
[28:18] and light up his new promotion.
[28:21] So yes, thank you so much.
[28:22] Go ahead.
[28:24] We have very different recollections of the conversation.
[28:26] It would end to charge everybody,
[28:28] make them come in and prove their innocence.
[28:30] I said no, that is not going to be our approach.
[28:34] If there was a specific address and question that was not provided to me, that could be provided
[28:39] then we can look at the exact situation there.
[28:43] If it's the one that we sent the hearing officers decision on the hearing officer dismissed
[28:50] it in part because he felt that the party with the lights had taken the mitigating measures
[28:55] that were necessary.
[28:57] So that's what happened with that.
[29:00] Thank you.
[29:01] Vice President Shemplein.
[29:02] Thank you.
[29:03] Councillor Lewis.
[29:09] Thank you, Madam.
[29:10] Our Mr. Chair.
[29:14] Just because you're up here still, Director.
[29:17] I thought I'd come in.
[29:18] So my understanding and is that.
[29:22] I mean, your your department doesn't really enforce lighting issues.
[29:27] Then I mean, you really have the I guess the the policy background or the authority.
[29:33] under our charter to do that, or is it maybe I'm, maybe I don't know that.
[29:36] And Council President and Councillor, if it's in the IDO, the Department does enforce that
[29:41] when we receive a complaint on it, then we go in and look at that if we feel that there
[29:46] is a proponderance of evidence, then we have a good faith basis for filing a notice of violation.
[29:52] The Department, as far as I know, does have light meters, maybe they don't have the latest
[29:57] and greatest light meter, which I think you're, uh...
[30:00] You were going to help us pay for. If that funding becomes available again, I'll direct staff to order at least one of those. They cost at the leave somewhere near at $4,000 each all in properly calibrated.
[30:12] So I was not involved with the particular conversations between your office and the code enforcement group.
[30:18] A hundred, 91, a hundred, 91 investigations are the number that code enforcement did in the last week
[30:25] across the hundreds of pages of ordinances that we do.
[30:29] 927, that's how many they did the week before.
[30:33] So we're happy to look into particular situations and we'll continue to do that.
[30:39] I think from my office as perspective, I think we've worked together really well and tried to resolve
[30:45] I know some of the specific issues that we're reference to.
[30:48] And we took that money back or rescinded it just because it was more of just a few
[30:55] need it than what do you need it for.
[30:58] And then so if you need it, we'll certainly work on getting that to you.
[31:02] I mean, make sure you have that resource to help with it.
[31:07] So I think that was more of our decision because I mean,
[31:10] at the time, maybe it wasn't just within the purview of what you guys could do, so I think
[31:18] that was, that's all I had on the point, thanks for the follow-up on that.
[31:24] My question would just be the missing, we were talking about this earlier, and I was
[31:31] looking at the map of the available properties, so I was just looking at it, I wonder maybe
[31:39] just a brief explanation of how that map was populated.
[31:43] I mean, what was some of the criteria?
[31:44] Is it just a, do we take every city property that we have
[31:47] and put on their start with or what's the, what's the criteria on that map?
[31:52] Madam President, Councillor Lewis, our strategy has been to think about how to make, how to
[31:58] ensure that city owned properties can be utilized across everything from short-term use
[32:04] of availability through long-term potential development, if there is a property that makes sense
[32:10] for that.
[32:11] The initial making available of those properties is one that is indicated to say, any of
[32:19] the properties, if someone has interest, there's an interest form that they can then fill out
[32:23] in contact our real estate department so that they can propose the types of uses that they
[32:29] would like.
[32:29] We have everything from neighborhood associations that like to use city owned vacant property to you have their
[32:37] block party and that has been actually a very successful strategy so a one day use all the way through.
[32:44] We know there are properties that are ideal for both housing development and other types of potential development with retail or whatever it may be.
[32:54] So we identified all properties that did not have an immediate use that by the city so that
[33:01] the community would understand where those properties are and what they are with the intent
[33:05] for folks to inquire with us what types of use they would like.
[33:10] Again, be anything from a day use permit all the way through a development agreement, but it
[33:15] could be anything in between maybe a short term lease, it could be a short term use for a community
[33:21] garden while a project is being master planned, you know, sometimes that can take two years
[33:26] and so having the opportunity to have a garden while we don't to move any dirt for a while
[33:32] would be a native or a hood of opportunity.
[33:36] Okay.
[33:36] And then, you know, thank you.
[33:37] I mean, and that makes sense.
[33:39] I mean, you put it on there for inquiries.
[33:42] Like open land, like let's say some of the properties there.
[33:45] See below where there's a couple of pins on there.
[33:49] One of them actually says it's under contract, it's just a kind of vacant land, and if it's under contract, what would that mean?
[33:57] Madam President, Councillor Lewis, I don't know the specific one you're speaking to exactly what the detail would be on it, but we do have a few properties, for example, that
[34:06] If that's in an MRA and we have a development contract under development, that's under negotiation.
[34:14] And because we are trying to show folks that properties are moving from unused to utilized for these types of uses.
[34:22] And so if something indicates that it's under contract, we would not be necessarily in a position to negotiate anything new related to that.
[34:32] But since things are under sometimes contracts fall through,
[34:35] developments end up falling through,
[34:37] we are trying to again kind of shine light in transparency
[34:40] on all of the city available properties for types of uses.
[34:44] And who would be managing like that specific property,
[34:47] who takes those inquire reason with that property and says,
[34:50] okay, you can do this, you can't do that.
[34:51] Here's how long it's available, who makes those decisions on that.
[34:55] Madam President Councillor Lewis,
[34:57] Each property will be vetted in division.
[35:00] In each inquiry, they'll come in to our real estate department, and they have understand what department and owns that property, if that makes sense, whether it's assigned to a department or an MRA, or to MRA for the development options.
[35:17] So, but it comes through real estate, they work with the department that is currently assigned as the ownership department, and then we've that will vet that with the exact level as well to make sure that the kind of use makes sense for the long term plans and short term plans for any piece of property.
[35:35] Okay, so I guess I need to get up to speed on the, I mean, which, which these parcels which department they fall under, I'm assuming that.
[35:41] Because one of them that has a blue dot-on is that's where, you know, a city owned property, you know, designated future poll tool next to our multi-generational center.
[35:54] I'm assuming that'd be other parks in Iraq might be under, you know, housing maybe still from a previous deal.
[36:02] And then the other one that actually says under contract is, again, it's open land, it's designated for our library and park.
[36:08] So city on property, hopefully we can get that,
[36:11] it was developed in that way, sooner than later.
[36:15] And we're, you know, we've been banking,
[36:17] you know, capital money and working to get those projects done.
[36:21] So I'm highly interested in, like who's under contract right there
[36:25] for a pretty good size property that is right next door to our
[36:31] our multi-gen center, brand new multi-gen center,
[36:34] another neighborhood right next door,
[36:36] Ellison right there. I know it's kind of like a part of it or designated as,
[36:44] you know, it's kind of runoff. And so I'm highly interested in what contract that is.
[36:49] So I guess, and I think that I would want to be involved in any way those properties used between
[36:57] now and when we actually build a library and park on that property. And so if you could give me some
[37:05] inside into the hat and certainly if you could find out it's 101 silver avenue, that's not
[37:10] even the one actually. So I click on it and it highlights a different address. So it might
[37:16] even be a pin that's in the wrong place. But I would think that there's hopefully, and I think
[37:24] that's the intention of it that people in the city want people looking at this and certainly want
[37:30] be accurate, and we want to have a pretty good process for, you know, how they might
[37:35] inquire and maybe that's all in place.
[37:37] But I do want to make sure I'm very familiar with specifically that property.
[37:42] Madam President Councillor Lewis, I will look into that.
[37:44] It sounds like there might be a technical error if that's the case.
[37:49] And then the last piece I want to mention is which is disposal property, a surplus in
[37:53] a property, as you all know, comes through City Council.
[37:56] So that process is still current and the current process that we have for determining surplus.
[38:05] So that is still built into any long-term disposal of property or selling of the property.
[38:13] And we do want to work with City Council on the most fluid way to ensure that we can give good answers
[38:19] to the community around timelines, as well, so that, but I am remembering that that process
[38:26] comes for you all.
[38:28] Thank you.
[38:29] Before we proceed, Vice President, so you know, I know we have an agreement that the administrative
[38:37] staff can leave by 530, so I think that if there's no other questions for them and we shouldn't
[38:43] be, because it was supposed to be at 530, I'm there more than welcome to leave if they
[38:48] unless they want to, you know, wait on the announcement, but I just want to make sure you're aware of that, and then vice-president Shunt Mike.
[38:55] Thank you, Madam President. And again, on that line to streamline the timing on this, I'm going to go to a couple of councilors for follow-up questions of the forum move to next on my list.
[39:05] So, Councilor Barker.
[39:07] Thank you.
[39:07] Mr. Vice Chair.
[39:09] Just really quick.
[39:10] What are we doing to protect the city's interests with these parcels?
[39:14] So, for example, to prevent mind-banking as opposed to making sure that line gets housing
[39:20] built on it.
[39:23] Madam President, Councillor Boca, our intention is to make, we will have contractual
[39:27] documents that ensure that we're in a position to understand the intent for the property and
[39:33] milestones, expectations, and that it meets what we're trying to do as a city which is to
[39:38] activate properties rather than have them sit empty. So, that process of negotiation will be
[39:44] you know we'll have to make sure we have light shining into the intentions and those contracts
[39:50] and you know vetting them appropriately for sure.
[39:55] Perfect Councillor Rogers.
[39:56] Thank you Madam President.
[39:57] I just want to thank you for doing this after.
[40:00] I'm going to try to get something passed on council that didn't pass for a fixed price program to get utilizing resources like this that the city has.
[40:09] So I just want to say thank you for doing this, this is this website.
[40:12] And for the public watching, you can just Google CVQ vacant properties, and it'll come right up.
[40:18] It helped us with our participatory budgeting projects that we have right now.
[40:23] community members were able to use this to see city lots that we could potentially do pocket
[40:27] parks or more gardens. This page helped them identify some really good lots in our district
[40:34] that may be able to help with that. So I just want to say thank you and I would ask everyone
[40:39] to check it out because you can see a lot of great information on here that I think is super helpful
[40:47] for a lot of things, including pocket parks and I love the spontaneous seasonal shop locations.
[40:55] I would like to see the people's market added to that.
[40:59] We just built that in District 6, and so I would love to see that added as a spontaneous
[41:04] spot, people can activate.
[41:07] If you would please add them to update that out of the debate.
[41:10] Thank you, Madam President.
[41:11] Councillor Pissot.
[41:13] Madam President, Mr. Vice President, I wanted to circle back on the conversation
[41:17] with Director Stoker, no need to come down here,
[41:19] but I do have a follow-up comment on that topic from a while back.
[41:24] I met last week with Director Stoker, CFO Martinez,
[41:29] Director Padilla, and IG Pecheco,
[41:32] and although many counselors might not actually enjoy hearing
[41:35] what I'm about to say, I found it very informative,
[41:38] the meeting that I had with him.
[41:39] And I don't want to speak for Director Padilla,
[41:41] but I sure hope that you will circle back with the counselors.
[41:44] I learned information that I did not know about the way the administration took the class
[41:50] and calm study, and did not make that the new Bible, they used that as a guiding tool.
[41:57] And I think that's something that I didn't realize until I had a calm, professional meeting
[42:03] with them and with our director and learned some of this information. So I think it would be great
[42:10] if the director would make sure to circle back with the other counselors. I don't
[42:14] necessarily think and believe that there's been 100% misguidance.
[42:19] I think there might have been some misunderstanding when it comes to what Red
[42:22] Circle really means.
[42:24] And I thank you for that meeting.
[42:26] I think it was informative.
[42:28] I left and director Patea did say he was going to do more research,
[42:31] but that it was informative for him as well.
[42:33] Aside from that, I don't want to say any more for him.
[42:38] Madam President.
[42:44] So I want to call up Mr. our city clerk, Mr. Ethan Watson,
[42:48] and just congratulating him on his promotion and one, if you had a few words to say, so you're going to be missed here.
[42:57] Thank you, Madam President, and members of the council.
[43:00] This is my last council meeting. I'll be finishing up in two weeks and then taking a little time off to get ready to start my services.
[43:08] the director of the Mexico Institute of Council Service.
[43:12] It's been an honor to serve you all.
[43:14] I really enjoyed working with any number of bills.
[43:17] With all of you from the board board bill, which is not that.
[43:20] But, and to the hearing office bills,
[43:24] by annual campaign finance bills, I also do really appreciate
[43:27] the council support for the city's public records program.
[43:32] It really has become a gem I think of in the state
[43:35] and it's due to your support.
[43:38] That's really been critical.
[43:39] And so I will miss you all, but I'm not
[43:42] be too far away.
[43:44] We are moving to Santa Fe to make this all a little bit easier.
[43:48] But it's a big transition, but I'm very much looking forward to it.
[43:53] Well, congratulations again.
[43:55] I mean, I think you've done an outstanding job.
[43:58] I know going in there and some of the issues
[44:00] would have as either just related to the officer related
[44:05] to you, running for office.
[44:06] And I love how you were able to kind of use a GAT chart
[44:10] and it was across the whole office.
[44:13] And I think those are things and tools
[44:15] that are really important to help with your work flow.
[44:18] So I appreciate how you implemented that.
[44:20] I don't know if any of the other councillors.
[44:23] Councillor Rogers.
[44:24] Thank you, Madam President.
[44:24] I just want to say thank you to the same thing.
[44:26] We geeked out over process improvement
[44:28] and those charts as well
[44:30] because I love process improvement
[44:32] and still want to see other departments adopt
[44:34] what you did for process improvement. It was really awesome. And I'm excited for, you know,
[44:40] sad to lose you here, but I know we're gaining your up there in Santa Fe. So I'll be knocking
[44:45] on your door a lot as I need to bring money back just just six. Are there any city of the whole? Thank you.
[44:53] Ms. Singles, do you want to add anything? Madam President, thank you. I just wanted to on the right
[45:00] I have appreciated working with City Clerk Watson. He has been a consummate professional in the work that he does and ensuring that the city is able to address some of the hardest things.
[45:12] We have as a city when we think about the volume of inspection of public records request that we receive and being really thoughtful about the issues that we have to understand and address to ensure that we're taking care of our records and taking care of our city.
[45:29] So thank you, Mr. Watson.
[45:31] It's been a pleasure to work with you.
[45:34] Councillor Lewis.
[45:36] Thank you, Madam President.
[45:37] Yeah, I was thinking about in 2009, it's been 2009 since I worked first
[45:40] walked into the clerk's office.
[45:43] And you know, 17 years ago.
[45:45] And from the very beginning, there's just,
[45:48] has always been a great culture, you know,
[45:50] within that department at that office.
[45:53] And so, and certainly over the last,
[45:55] over the most recent years as well,
[45:57] notice that great people at work there, they love the job, and they go above and beyond to
[46:04] really take care of people. And so thanks for what you've done to carry that on and it just
[46:12] put a lot of good people in the right places that enjoy the work and where you can really see the
[46:17] So, thank you.
[46:20] Thank you.
[46:22] Thank you.
[46:31] Thank you.
[46:31] Thank you.
[46:31] Madam President, that concludes.
[46:34] I have an question in the answer.
[46:35] Okay.
[46:36] We are on to other business.
[46:38] And this is EC-22 veto of R-2630, adopting a proposition to be submitted to the voters
[46:45] at the next election to be held in the city of Albuquerque concerning an amendment to
[46:50] Article 5, Section 4 of the Albuquerque City Charter Providing.
[46:54] the form of the question and the designation clause for such question on the ballot.
[47:02] And so this is Vice President Shampaine, but if you want me to read first, or would you
[47:09] like to just speak first, do you can go ahead and read first, then, and press OK.
[47:15] So, and then I'll turn it over to you.
[47:16] If a Councillor wishes to attempt an overwrite of the mayor's veto, they will make a motion
[47:21] to overwrite.
[47:21] If no motion is made, or if the second is not received, the mayor's veto stands, also if a motion is made,
[47:30] second is received, but six voters are not obtained in favor of the overwrite, the motion,
[47:36] overwrite motion that mayors veto stands by President Trump.
[47:43] Thank you, Madam President. That assumes that I'm going to make a motion.
[47:48] But I will. I'll make a motion to move to overwrite the mayor's veto.
[47:55] There's a motion, is there a second?
[48:01] There's a motion in the second by committee
[48:03] the whole chair, grab.
[48:06] Thank you, Madam President. This bill that we put forth in this council passed on a six
[48:11] revoked two weeks ago was to remedy and improve government. During a couple of incidents
[48:23] earlier this year and some investigation, it was shown that there were some deficiencies
[48:30] within the current charter, that this bill goes to an attempt to remedy. It is not, again,
[48:40] just like everything else, that is not 100% the solution in a sense.
[48:47] It is a solution in an attempt to repair these deficiencies that we're discovered.
[48:53] It is, again, a direction to go in and I've said it back then two weeks ago that it's
[49:00] a direction that we have to change something in the way it is and the deficiencies that came
[49:05] up.
[49:06] And again, this was an attempt in the move toward that.
[49:09] It showed that the office of the city attorney truly wasn't
[49:16] an independent office, although the findings of an investigation
[49:24] kind of proved that the city attorney had already
[49:27] was in a sense, but there's no accountability for it.
[49:30] Right now, in order for a city attorney who,
[49:34] And again, please understand that this is in the direction at the current person who is holding
[49:40] that office.
[49:41] It is the sense of the office in itself that if they do not properly represent the city
[49:49] council or the administration, that it is near impossible to remove that person.
[49:56] Right now, and that's why this amendment or this bill was put forth to-
[50:00] Show that there's some accountability, not only to the administration, but to the city council.
[50:07] It also showed that a true independence is needed so that the city attorney can work for the city of Albuquerque, not for one entity or the other.
[50:16] Again, incidents earlier this year prove that incident, prove that in and south, because it was decided or shown that there was preference being shown.
[50:28] And that's why, again, the whole purpose of this is to try to improve government.
[50:36] We work through all these bills, we work through all these amendments, and we work through
[50:39] all these resolutions proposals, because we see deficiencies throughout all of the government,
[50:44] whether it be IDO, whether it be land use and zoning, you see these, and we make these attempts
[50:50] to say, hey, let's change something.
[50:53] Let's improve it.
[50:54] Let's go in a direction.
[50:55] That is not stopping anything from six months from now going, all right, that works 75 percent.
[51:02] We need to tweak it again.
[51:03] I believe, truly, that that's what we should be doing as lawmakers on this council.
[51:09] We need to be improving this, not just essentially for a sense for us currently, but for who
[51:17] holds this position five years from now, ten years from now.
[51:20] How do you improve government and how do you keep it moving forward and moving forward and
[51:25] around obstacles that can be fine,
[51:29] so this veto was done based off of, from what I gather
[51:33] and reading this off of one issue, and that is, that this thing creates a total new branch
[51:41] of government, which I find interesting that the administration says in it, and I'll read
[51:48] what it says, it says I will note that if it weren't for the changes in E5 lines 20
[51:55] through 23. I would sign this resolution. Well, E5, 2323, says it requires a total new branch
[52:04] of government that is independent of the criteria identified in this and that's a judicial branch,
[52:12] something that shows that the city attorney works for the city. It doesn't work for the city council.
[52:17] It doesn't work for the administration. It works for the city. It is how it is held accountable
[52:23] by the administration and by the attorney or by the council.
[52:28] Currently, again, I go back to a currently if the administration wanted to fire the city attorney.
[52:36] The administration has to go to the OIG.
[52:38] It has to find that it has cause.
[52:41] Then it has to come to the council and then all of us have to vote on it.
[52:45] It has to get a majority of the vote.
[52:47] This proposed amendment changes it so that, again, it's held accountable to the administration.
[52:52] That if it goes the assert city attorney goes rogue, that the administration can fire her without cause or fire that person without cause because they aren't doing what
[53:03] They're supposed to be doing that's
[53:05] Working for the city the council then again has doesn't have that authority right now this post this puts that authority in the council of the 72 vote
[53:14] So the city attorney would have to do something so it reaches that it would cost seven of us to say this attorney isn't doing what they're supposed to
[53:23] So I find it interesting that that veto came down, there was talk about how it would have
[53:28] to hire dozens of other attorneys because it regents this new branch of government.
[53:34] I think our federal government is on three branches of government and I think our state is
[53:37] on three branches of government.
[53:40] But our council right now has attorneys that we go to.
[53:43] I don't go to the city attorney when I need legal advice on a bill that I'm proposing.
[53:47] I go to our council now their held accountable by not only their ethics but also by the city
[53:54] attorney in the sense of the city attorney oversees these things they are made aware of it but
[53:59] they're not our council doesn't go to them for advice but they are held accountable to be
[54:05] that sense as well that's what this is doing and again I love this job because I can come up with
[54:12] an idea and a direction and you get advice from other counselors and you try to adjust it and
[54:16] it. But this is an idea. I think this is a good move forward. I think it doesn't solve it
[54:23] a hundred percent and a year from now and someone other than me or another council that
[54:27] shows up and says, I got a better idea than you build off of that. That's the whole point.
[54:36] So with that, I do urge your support in overwriting this week too.
[54:40] Thank you Vice President Shampai. So there was a motion a second for an overwrite, all those
[54:46] favor say yes. Yes. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't get any tens of rays. Oh, Mary, we close, but I will.
[55:03] I believe that was open. I believe that was open. I believe that was open. I believe that was open.
[55:07] Okay.
[55:10] Councillor Tays.
[55:12] Thank you, Madam President. I have a question for our legal department on this matter.
[55:19] And this is just for my own clarification. I did not realize this could be a potential issue until recently.
[55:28] But the charter states that for a charter amendment, there has to be two public hearings.
[55:38] But if at the second public hearing, the proposed amendment has any revisions, substantial amendments, that a third hearing has to be held.
[55:51] And I am just wondering if we failed to follow that or if please help me understand this because I, I was, I'm not sure.
[56:05] Madam President, Councillor Teas, let's correct. The charter does require at least two hearings on a proposed charter amendment with a third hearing required if there are amendments at the second.
[56:15] We run into this scenario several times in the past where we get into like four hearings or beyond the three that's contemplated in the charter and then those instances as we did here we ended after the required third hearing.
[56:31] So we don't continue kicking to a subsequent hearing infinitely the cut off that we followed is what's in the text of the charter.
[56:41] Madam President, thank you, Ms. Kudon, I just, but we only had two hearings on this.
[56:48] Madam President, can you clarify,
[57:04] so deferment isn't a hearing. It's just a deferment.
[57:10] We didn't hear anything, so I don't know how the deferment is counted as a hearing.
[57:20] We had two deferments and then two hearings.
[57:26] Madam President and Councillor Teas, we're checking to see if the bills were on the consent
[57:30] agenda for deferral, but there was opportunity for discussion at each of those council meetings
[57:37] what we do treat as a hearing, and then the ultimate vote at each of those hearings was for a
[57:43] deferral to the subsequent meeting for additional comments.
[57:47] Madam President, Ms. Cluton. So is that the intent of that charter was that the legislative
[57:52] intent was to treat a postponement that had an opportunity for discussion as a hearing?
[58:00] It doesn't seem to me that that is the legislative intent. The postponement was an opportunity,
[58:06] But we didn't because it was being postponed. We all knew that was being postponed. So we wouldn't have any sort of
[58:15] Conversation about it and so the postponements in my
[58:23] logic don't
[58:24] Add up to being a hearing and so I'm just wondering what the legislative intent is here and you know, hey man
[58:34] I'm still new, so learning it, that's why I'm asking, but the charter specifically states that
[58:42] if such a revision is made at the second of two public hearings, the Council shall hold a third
[58:47] public hearing on the proposed charter amendment. And any revision shall be posted. I just don't
[58:53] remember having that third hearing of those amendments that were held. And I will had fully admit that
[59:02] I did not realize that this was part of the process at the last hearing.
[59:09] So it's also on me that I didn't bring it up on the third, which is why I'm now bringing
[59:16] it up because I don't recall having a third public hearing on those last amendments that were made
[59:24] that changed the substance of the the the the bill.
[59:32] Madam President and Councillor Tayaz, to clarify one piece, the requirement for two to three hearings is for the amendments in the bill itself.
[59:42] We haven't treated it as you need to have two or three hearings on each subsequent amendment to the bill in addition to the bill itself.
[59:55] Okay, Madam President, please.
[59:59] That still doesn't make sense.
[1:00:00] Okay,
[1:00:04] all right, thank you.
[1:00:08] Madam President, yeah, roll and can you turn in? Thank you. Madam Chair, Councillor Kase,
[1:00:20] I don't know that the language in here from the perspective of trying to figure out is a deferment of hearing is necessarily clear enough to be able to make that determination, however, as we see constantly.
[1:00:38] with most appeals, on most issues that or suits that are filed, if there is an ambiguity,
[1:00:45] it's going to be grabbed out too.
[1:00:47] So it's certainly a risk that could be an issue that has brought up in a suit challenging
[1:00:53] the piece of legislation, or in this case the charter amendment, it would be an argument
[1:00:58] that was made, that could be made, that would be a reasonable argument, whether not that
[1:01:05] hearing itself or that the deferment was a hearing spy recall correctly, there was some public
[1:01:11] comment that was done. Maybe that would be sufficient to make it a hearing, maybe not,
[1:01:17] how a judge would come down on it is difficult to say, but I do think it would be something
[1:01:22] that could be reasonably challenged, whether or not it would win or not hard to say.
[1:01:29] And then additionally there's the only other issue that would call out is just the final
[1:01:33] sentence of the section. I mean it does say any revisions made shall be posted along with
[1:01:40] notice to the next of the next meeting. Red as a whole, it can be hard to kind of
[1:01:46] distinguish between if they're talking about two meetings compared to or two hearings compared
[1:01:51] to one hearing. But if you read that sentence and it's plain language, it suggests that any revision
[1:02:01] made, wouldn't require that those revisions be made to be posted for a following public meeting.
[1:02:08] Again, hard to say exactly how this would work out in a, in a, in a, in litigation.
[1:02:16] But it would certainly we've opened the opportunity for a challenge.
[1:02:23] Thank you, Madam President. I'll just, yeah, I, I will just say I don't feel like
[1:02:31] We follow the process for this charter amendment.
[1:02:38] Now, I don't know if we can retroactively go back.
[1:02:41] That's another question, but it does.
[1:02:45] I agree that there can be potential risks here.
[1:02:50] And in particular, because it's going to be going on a ballot,
[1:02:54] that is also my other concern.
[1:02:56] And this is going to be a very, very, very, very long ballot.
[1:03:00] This coming November and city items are at the end of that.
[1:03:05] So I'm concerned that people won't see it and vote on it and, you know, I'm just concerned
[1:03:11] about all those things, couples with the concern and the risk that it could also lead to
[1:03:19] a potential lawsuit if any public stakeholder.
[1:03:26] disagrees with the disagrees with these bills, but thank you, yeah, I don't. I guess we'll see you.
[1:03:38] Thank you. Councillor Boca.
[1:03:42] Thank you, Madam President. I have a little bit of criticism here. My self included.
[1:03:49] You know, every nearly every council meeting I vote against going late.
[1:03:54] and I don't think that's appropriate.
[1:03:55] People aren't available.
[1:03:57] We get sloppy in our work, myself included,
[1:04:00] and I thought this P-Bill, a portion that was left
[1:04:03] under the Council of Champagne,
[1:04:04] just mentioned about the independent portion of it.
[1:04:07] State in there, I fundamentally don't agree
[1:04:09] with that particular piece.
[1:04:11] And I don't agree with it because the IG report
[1:04:13] that which I think is a floppy piece of work
[1:04:16] to be honest, had an interpretation of the city charter
[1:04:21] I don't agree with, and because of that, I think that, I'm sorry, I'm trying to
[1:04:33] shut there.
[1:04:35] The interpretation of the charter says the city attorney essentially is serving the
[1:04:40] amorphous city, and because of that did not do anything in violation of her ethical
[1:04:46] rules or professional rules.
[1:04:47] I fundamentally disagree with that mostly because
[1:04:50] hey, we've worked under the city to interpret the charter,
[1:04:54] but also how the city of attorney herself said it directly.
[1:04:56] Like she herself said that she did not.
[1:05:00] How she operated was not how the IG report came out. And so, so the criticism, I think, level is directly at the administration and how they handled this and how this went from a small thing to months and months of time and energy and thousands of dollars spent, and none of it serve the city of Albuquerque in any good way.
[1:05:21] Um, moreover that report opens up a lot of questions about accountability, accountability,
[1:05:26] accountability attorney, who hold that accountability and what they can do.
[1:05:30] Um, essentially with this, the city attorney, yeah, we're creating a judicial branch
[1:05:34] and I don't think that's, I don't agree with that.
[1:05:36] Because I believe the city attorney works for us counselors and the administration.
[1:05:41] Which, of course, now doesn't really even exist itself because of this,
[1:05:45] and you report that it was produced.
[1:05:48] And so that needs to be fixed 100%.
[1:05:51] We should be able to hold a city attorney accountable, 100%.
[1:05:56] I think we made some fundamental mistakes
[1:05:57] on this particular people late at night.
[1:06:01] And I'm kind of angry at myself for not catching it,
[1:06:03] because I would try to make that change
[1:06:04] because I would 100% be voting for sending that
[1:06:09] to the electorate and hopefully they would pass it.
[1:06:13] And I'm not happy with their administration
[1:06:14] with the way you guys have handled all this and the mayor and I have talked and I've let
[1:06:18] of know my frustration is exactly how I feel about what's happened and how this has played
[1:06:23] out. And so I do hope and I didn't get a vote to uphold the veto. I'm going to say that out,
[1:06:30] but I want people to know that, you know, he put in his message. I'd like to see, I'd like to see
[1:06:34] that sent down by a request that that changed into people. I'd like, you know, we got the EC,
[1:06:41] there's going to be another city attorney coming down. I look forward to having questions with
[1:06:44] with that attorney. And how that person interprets our city charter and how they, how we can
[1:06:51] expect them to actually function within that role given that interpretation, their interpretation,
[1:06:56] which I hope fits with what we've been operating under for the last decades or so. So,
[1:07:02] so I just wanted to get that out there. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Boca. So, I don't see any other
[1:07:08] questions or comments. So, I will go to Vice President Schamcline to close. Thank you, Madam President.
[1:07:16] I want to say everybody's support on this, and I thank everybody for their input.
[1:07:22] Again, it still is a thought, an idea and a direction that we can do to improve governance,
[1:07:30] so I do urge you support with the overridden.
[1:07:32] Thank you. So there is a motion in the second for an override. All those in favor,
[1:07:39] raise your hand and say yes.
[1:07:40] Yes.
[1:07:42] Opposed?
[1:07:44] No.
[1:07:48] No.
[1:07:48] That motion fails on the four to five?
[1:07:54] Okay.
[1:07:54] We are now on to proclamations and presentations.
[1:07:57] There are none.
[1:07:58] We are now on to the journal.
[1:08:00] I move approval of the August 3rd journal.
[1:08:03] There's a motion a second by Vice President Shampai.
[1:08:06] All those in favor say yes and raise your hand.
[1:08:08] Yes.
[1:08:09] Opposed.
[1:08:10] Same motion.
[1:08:10] Motion carries.
[1:08:11] we are now on to communications and introductions.
[1:08:14] Are there any changes to the letter of introduction?
[1:08:18] So, I move that the rules be suspended for the purpose
[1:08:22] of pulling EC26192 out of financing government operations,
[1:08:27] committee and placing it on the September 9th Council agenda for action.
[1:08:32] EC192 is a mayor's recommendation of award for street outreach housing services.
[1:08:37] Second, there's a motion and second by Councillor Feebocorn.
[1:08:41] So a motion has been made by Councillor Feebocorn, second by myself, seconded by Councillor
[1:08:46] Feebocorn, to suspend the rules to pull EC192 out of FGO and place it on the September 9
[1:08:52] Council agenda for action, is there any objection?
[1:08:58] Hearing none, the motion passes.
[1:09:01] We are now on to EC-223. I move the roles we suspended for the purpose of introducing EC-2623
[1:09:10] and placing it on the September 9th Council agenda for action. EC-223 is the appointment of Joshua
[1:09:16] D. Bloom to the position of City Attorney.
[1:09:20] Second, there's a motion and a second by committee the whole chair.
[1:09:26] to suspend the rules to introduce EC-223 and place it on the September 9th Council agenda
[1:09:31] fraction. Is there any objection? Hearing none, motion passes. We are now on EC-210
[1:09:40] Councillor PEOPLE CARN. Madam President, EC-210. I move that the rules be suspended for
[1:09:45] the purpose of pulling EC-26210 out of the Finance and Government Operations Committee in
[1:09:50] placing it onto the night's agenda for action.
[1:09:52] EC210 is the approval of the Development Agreement
[1:09:54] for the Uptown Connect Affordable Housing Project
[1:09:57] with Family Housing Development Corporation.
[1:10:00] You must work for housing trust funds and state capital outlay funding towards the new construction
[1:10:04] of a multi-family rental housing project.
[1:10:09] A motion has been made by Councillor Feebocorn and seconded by Councillor TAS to suspend the
[1:10:15] rules and pull ECT-10 out of FTO and place it on tonight's agenda for action. Is there
[1:10:20] any objection?
[1:10:23] Hearing none, motion passes.
[1:10:28] So I move a approval of the letter of introduction.
[1:10:30] There's a motion, a second by Vice President Shampaine, all those in favor, say yes and raise your hand.
[1:10:36] Opposed, same motion, motion carries.
[1:10:38] We are now on reports of committee, Councillor Lewis.
[1:10:43] Madam President, the Finance Government Operations Committee met on Monday, August 10th,
[1:10:47] and reports out the following.
[1:10:49] You see 175 received be noted.
[1:10:52] The matter of EC191-199-201, that they be approved.
[1:10:56] the amount of 203.045.046 with that, that they be without recommendation, the amount of
[1:11:03] 048.049 that they do pass, the amount of 044 that they be without recommendation as
[1:11:08] substituted, and 047, that it be without recommendation as amended.
[1:11:12] I moved to accept the committee report.
[1:11:15] There's a motion a second, by committee the whole chair.
[1:11:19] Grout, all those in favor say yes and raise your hand, opposed to emotion, motion carries,
[1:11:25] Councilperson. Madam President, the land use planning and zoning committee met on Wednesday, August
[1:11:29] 12, 20, 26, and reports out the following items in the matter of EC208 that it be confirmed
[1:11:34] in the matter of 0.55 that it do pass. I make a motion to accept the committee reports.
[1:11:40] There's a motion and a second by committee to hold chair grout to accept the committee report.
[1:11:44] All those in favor say yes and raise your hand. Opposed same motion motion carries.
[1:11:49] We are now on to deferrals and withdraw. Counselor, are there any deferrals or withdrawals
[1:11:54] this time, and I will go to myself. So, E.C. 160 approval of the agreement with home-wise
[1:12:01] to utilize housing and neighborhood economic development funds in the amount of $2,835,000.
[1:12:09] To administer a home-owner rehabilitation program, I move with straw. And there's a motion in a
[1:12:17] second-by-vice President Shampaim for withdrawal. All those in favor say yes and raise your hand.
[1:12:22] Yes.
[1:12:23] Opposed?
[1:12:23] Same motion.
[1:12:25] Motion carries.
[1:12:26] We are now on the consent agenda.
[1:12:27] Are there any changes to the consent agenda hearing none for individuals on tonight's
[1:12:34] consent agenda?
[1:12:35] Who are being appointed to serve on a Board of Commission?
[1:12:38] Thank you for your willingness to serve.
[1:12:40] I'm a approval of the consent agenda.
[1:12:42] There's a motion in a second by Councillor Rogers way over there on that side.
[1:12:47] So there's a motion in a second.
[1:12:48] All those in favor say yes and raise your hand?
[1:12:51] Opposed?
[1:12:52] motion, motion carries. We are now on to Announcements Council
[1:12:56] Rogers. Thank you, Madam President. There will be a local government
[1:12:59] coordinating commission meeting on Thursday, August 20th at 5 p.m.
[1:13:04] here in the Vincent E. Grego Chambers, basement level of the Albuquerque
[1:13:07] government center. This is a hybrid meeting and I just want to thank
[1:13:11] our staff from the bottom of my heart for helping us APS was
[1:13:16] able to host and our team stepped up very quickly to get this done in the proper ways for
[1:13:25] our open meeting act and they did that on a council Monday. So I just want to give a shout-out
[1:13:30] to our team to ask them to do that on a council Monday. It allows us to have this meeting and not
[1:13:36] have to cancel it again, especially with opioid settlement dollars. We need some updates on
[1:13:42] those money's are going so we cannot cancel that meeting so thank you thank you thank you
[1:13:47] you shot out to our team Ernesto Michelle Julian everyone that helped us make that happen I
[1:13:52] thank you from the bottom of my heart I didn't want to ask them to do that on a council Monday but
[1:13:57] they saved our meeting and thank you so much that's great Councillor Bassan Madam President there
[1:14:02] will be an intergovernmental legislative relations committee meeting on Wednesday September 2nd at
[1:14:12] instrumental instruments, Councillor Baca.
[1:14:19] Thank you, Madam President.
[1:14:20] O38 authorizing the issuance and sale of the city of Albuquerque,
[1:14:24] and Mexico taxable industrial revenue bond,
[1:14:26] Dreamcatcher, Somme Hotel Project.
[1:14:27] Series 2026 in the maximum principal amount of 40 million,
[1:14:32] 520, 2067 to provide funds to acquire,
[1:14:34] construct equipment, improve the Dreamcatcher,
[1:14:36] Somme Hotel, dual-branded Hampton Inn,
[1:14:38] and home-to-sweets with anticipated 135 guest rooms.
[1:14:41] The move do pass.
[1:14:43] Second, there's a motion in the second by Councillor Rogers
[1:14:46] for a due pass, and so I'm going to just read a little announcement here as a reminder,
[1:14:52] pursuant to our rules of procedure, Article 1, Section 8, C, General Public comment, shall
[1:14:57] not be permitted on quasi-judicial.
[1:15:00] Social matters. Please do not include in your comment anything related to quasi-judicial matter, including
[1:15:05] proposal-site plans or other land use or permitting action related to this development.
[1:15:11] Failure to comply with this rule may result in your comment being cut off. So just reading that
[1:15:21] out loud, I would just like to ask our staff, our legal staff, you know, we went circle in circles
[1:15:28] about this and, you know, this commitments from the community and quasi-judicial, so I'm not going
[1:15:33] to go into the site, but I'm just going to say how do we hear from the community if they're
[1:15:39] going to talk about some of the agreements that were made that may have zoning implications.
[1:15:56] Council President, the existence of the discussions that happened and whether they were productive
[1:16:02] or not is not a quasi-judicial matter in itself. It's getting into the
[1:16:08] specifics of design or aesthetics, that would veer
[1:16:11] until what would be considered quasi-judicial.
[1:16:15] So the sort of sum it up, that there were discussions
[1:16:19] is fine.
[1:16:20] What the subject of those discussions is not.
[1:16:23] That's the line to draw.
[1:16:26] So how do we hear from the community
[1:16:29] about what those agreements were?
[1:16:34] And I think I'd like to hear from the city attorney as well.
[1:16:38] Just because I think this has gotten very complicated and we're getting all these different
[1:16:44] rulings on how we address community concern.
[1:16:50] And I say that because if all this is in the best industry to the community and the community
[1:16:57] can't do anything until a site plant is done, but yet we provide an IRB without any of these
[1:17:08] or concessions to or agreements with a community?
[1:17:24] So, Councillor President, the procedure by which a site plan
[1:17:28] would be approved would allow for that kind of input.
[1:17:31] So, at this junction, this is only for the issuance of the IRBs.
[1:17:35] At a later time, when the site plan is being approved,
[1:17:38] if there's concerns about that,
[1:17:40] those aesthetic designs, those designs of the building itself,
[1:17:45] how that can sit within the character of the neighborhood that would be an opportunity for input from the public.
[1:17:52] I think putting a course in the cart before the horse.
[1:17:57] I mean, I don't know.
[1:17:58] I'm curious to hear from the community to really find out what we need to do,
[1:18:05] or if this would require potentially a deferral to allow the community to really work with the developer to figure out what needs to happen.
[1:18:14] And so, I guess I won't go to the city attorney just yet.
[1:18:19] I think we have a couple of floor amendments that will move those first, and then we'll
[1:18:24] go to public comment.
[1:18:27] Okay, so we have floor amendments A and B, and I think they are in front of us.
[1:18:36] And so I have an amendment, and it's proposed amendment A, which will now become floor
[1:18:45] amendment number one, and what this is, is it, um, beginning on page six, um,
[1:18:53] lines, lines six, and insert a new section as follows and remember the remaining sections
[1:18:58] accordingly. Um, and this really the explanation without reading the whole thing is this
[1:19:03] amendment mandates that the company proposes a good neighbor agreement between saw mill, um,
[1:19:08] land trust and nearby neighborhood associations to address concerns that may arise with
[1:19:13] of this project. And the reason for this is that because of the concern that I just stated,
[1:19:24] so I move floor amendment number one.
[1:19:30] So there'd be no second. There's a motion in a second
[1:19:34] by Councillor Bessant for floor amendment number one. And is there any discussion? Councillor
[1:19:42] Bessant. Madam President, I'd like to ask Mr. Cox if he can confirm or let us know was there
[1:19:49] another it was there a good neighbor agreement for any of the other properties in the area
[1:19:53] that got an IRB for any developments.
[1:20:02] Councilor Visan. I don't know if I am the right person that might be our bond council or anyone who has done the RBs, but to my knowledge we have not had any good neighbor agreement tied to IRBs or any community benefits of such either.
[1:20:22] Okay, so then Madam President, can I ask Director Mitchell or Mr.
[1:20:26] Meerhead, or I guess whoever might have a firm answer,
[1:20:30] was there a good neighbor agreement on any other IRB in that area?
[1:20:37] Madam President and Counselors, not that I'm aware of,
[1:20:41] but I would ask because last council meeting,
[1:20:46] we were not given the opportunity to present the project.
[1:20:49] So before public comment, I would ask that we be allowed to present the project, at least.
[1:20:57] Okay, after the amendment.
[1:20:59] Thank you.
[1:21:00] Thank you.
[1:21:01] Any other comments?
[1:21:02] I'm sorry, Madam President.
[1:21:03] I'm still, I'm still trying to get my answer.
[1:21:06] Oh, doesn't seem as though I have one so can I just at least make a comment?
[1:21:10] She was still not done with her comment.
[1:21:14] Sorry about that.
[1:21:20] Madam President, Councilperson No, there were no other agreements outside of the standard.
[1:21:24] I will be documents.
[1:21:26] So I do solve no transactions.
[1:21:28] Thank you, Mr. Mirhead.
[1:21:30] I guess my comment now is that I supported the last IRB.
[1:21:33] I support this IRB.
[1:21:35] I don't think it's fair to put different burdens on different groups and individuals and different
[1:21:42] projects in the same area.
[1:21:44] So therefore I'm not going to support this.
[1:21:47] I think that if we were going to do it, we should do it for everybody.
[1:21:49] We shouldn't do it just for some and not others.
[1:21:53] Thank you, Councillor Osan, is that it?
[1:21:57] Councillor Lewis.
[1:21:58] Thank you, Madam President.
[1:21:59] And I tend to agree with that.
[1:22:02] I'm just interested in maybe I would just be interested if the developer is coming to ask
[1:22:11] and for the IRB.
[1:22:12] I'm just not sure if I want to know how they feel about some of these amendments that
[1:22:17] could put some additional or even if they understand what a good neighbor agreement
[1:22:21] is, what are all the implications of it?
[1:22:25] I mean, I guess I thought I was to be in favor of this.
[1:22:28] I'd be interested in hearing from hearing from some other folks on that, just their understanding
[1:22:34] of it.
[1:22:37] Thank you.
[1:22:37] I mean, if you want to call the developer up, but we're not on that right now.
[1:22:40] I mean, I necessarily don't need to.
[1:22:42] I guess if you want my vote for it, then I'd probably need to do that, but if not, then if
[1:22:46] that's not appropriate for them to come up and weigh in on it, then I guess it is what it is.
[1:22:50] It is appropriate if you want them to come up.
[1:22:55] Well, let me give them that opportunity, that if they're here, it would like to.
[1:23:08] Thank you, Madam President.
[1:23:10] Thank you.
[1:23:11] Counselors for having me here today.
[1:23:13] My name is Deepash Kohler Walaugh with some capital hotels.
[1:23:16] I am the developer of this project.
[1:23:18] And we've had several meetings with the neighborhood.
[1:23:22] We had meetings with the Somile Area Neighborhood Association.
[1:23:25] we had meetings with historical town, business, board of director meetings, and then most
[1:23:36] recently after our last August third meeting, the council directed me to meet with additional
[1:23:42] folks, the trust and Senator O'Malley, and we did do that. We had a really good conversation
[1:23:47] with the Senator and the trust, and I thank you for that opportunity, and we showcased how we
[1:23:54] to our current design. So it does incorporate a lot of the fabrics of the neighborhood. And then
[1:24:00] host meeting up to Senator Ormali, we made some elevation changes so that we broke her.
[1:24:09] I'm sorry to jump and this is exactly the kind of quasi-judicial discussion about designs that
[1:24:16] later would come up under a site plan or under an effort permitting process that we're concerned about.
[1:24:20] and the risk here is that if the council hears on this in votes on this, then it could be
[1:24:25] effectively precluded from voting on if there's a site plan or if there's a permitting
[1:24:29] or a variance that comes up in the future related to this property.
[1:24:32] So, Madam President, maybe I have to restate the question, so the past few could really just
[1:24:37] specifically on your understanding of what a community agreement like that this amendment is
[1:24:45] offering your understanding of it and if it is something that would be agreeable with you,
[1:24:52] I guess.
[1:24:53] You know, are you okay with some of these in this portion of the process, which is a
[1:24:59] a
[1:25:00] The approval or not approval of an IRB. I mean, how do you feel about these amendments?
[1:25:07] Madam President, Councillor Lewis, it is ambiguous. I don't know what good neighbor policy is.
[1:25:16] I wouldn't know how to define that. So when it's written in the amendment like this, and wouldn't know how to interpret it.
[1:25:23] Well, I mean, that's kind of Madam President, just a little bit of an indicator that I mean,
[1:25:27] we're, again, we're putting something on, I mean, regards whether it was on you or on the
[1:25:32] community or whatever, I think there's a pretty clear understanding that they're, well, I mean, I
[1:25:37] think it's clear that there's not really an understanding of what even that agreement means and what
[1:25:40] the implications are of it.
[1:25:46] Thank you, sir. Thank you. So seeing no one else, I'll just close by,
[1:25:52] you know, not sure that this was going to pass, but you know, we've been kind of going in circles
[1:25:56] on, again, like I said, the cart before the horse.
[1:25:59] I mean, when we're doing IRBs in the community,
[1:26:02] that's a lot of tax deferment for these big projects.
[1:26:06] And I think it's important that when we're doing maybe
[1:26:10] a policy should be made that we do site plans before we do IRB.
[1:26:14] So the community knows what's going in the community.
[1:26:18] I agree that it's not fair for them to have to adhere to this.
[1:26:23] But what protections do we have for such an historic neighborhood like Old Town, one of the
[1:26:30] gems of our city, that if we're not sure when, because, and the other thing with the other
[1:26:35] properties that are on here, they do not a butt, a neighborhood. This is going to a butt houses.
[1:26:42] And so I'm uncomfortable voting for this, knowing that we don't have any of those protections.
[1:26:49] We can't talk about the protections, community can't come up, but talk about whether they agreed
[1:26:53] or didn't agree, amendments can't be made
[1:26:55] because of quasi-judicial.
[1:26:57] So, I mean, not just this project,
[1:26:59] but I think it really leads towards,
[1:27:02] we shouldn't be doing our IRBs
[1:27:05] unless we've had community input.
[1:27:10] So, thank you.
[1:27:11] So, I would, thank you, sir.
[1:27:12] So, I would, I would urge your support.
[1:27:17] All those in favor of floor amendment number one,
[1:27:20] raise your hand and say yes, opposed no.
[1:27:25] motion bail of eight win. I didn't even get one. So then now we're on
[1:27:34] floor amendment label B will now become floor amendment number two and this is
[1:27:38] Councillor Batta. Thank you Madam President. I think yeah this has become very
[1:27:45] convoluted and the groups did me and they came to some agreements and we
[1:27:49] to put those as amendments into here. And our attorneys are telling us we can't do that.
[1:27:56] My understanding is we can cook conditions on an IRB, but the question isn't what conditions
[1:28:01] we put on. It's later in the process, if there's an appeal, we'll be able to weigh in on that.
[1:28:08] And if it's a very specific to one specific project, it details like that then we wouldn't be able to.
[1:28:13] And that part of this is I would hope that whatever agreement
[1:28:19] they came up with, the developer will stick to those.
[1:28:24] They won't change those.
[1:28:25] And within the site plan, I assume this is the point where if
[1:28:28] he doesn't follow through on his commitments to the community,
[1:28:30] the telepeel and all they'll be able to support the community
[1:28:33] in that context.
[1:28:34] And so that's the long way of saying, here's our amorphous amendment.
[1:28:40] that I wanted there to acknowledge that the community met, the Farmell Land Trust, the Farmell
[1:28:45] Association, other members, and everyone's kind of worked together to come to, including
[1:28:51] the developer, to come to the agreement on what this hotel will ultimately look like and
[1:28:57] be a positive, and that positive for the community.
[1:29:01] So I move, move in a second, thank you.
[1:29:06] So there's a motion in a second for floor amendment that was labeled B that's now floor amendment number two by committee the whole chair.
[1:29:15] Rout.
[1:29:16] Councillor.
[1:29:18] Madam President, I just want to point out for the clerk.
[1:29:21] There's just a typo in there that needs to be corrected.
[1:29:24] And this is a trust not trust.
[1:29:26] And I guess to Councillor Baca's point.
[1:29:29] I don't think that this, I think this seems fine.
[1:29:32] But I do hope that both the developer and the neighbors, and the sawmill, trust, and all of these different entities,
[1:29:41] hold up their end of the bargain, too, and that this is something that works both ways and mutually,
[1:29:46] because I think that we talk about wanting to improve areas in Albuquerque.
[1:29:52] And I still don't think it's right for us to start discriminating one IRB in a very similar location over another.
[1:30:05] I mean,
[1:30:08] this is just a statement that says that folks met together and were able to reach a mutual agreement.
[1:30:19] I mean, why, I don't know, it just seems like a statement that has a lot of implications,
[1:30:25] but it's very vague.
[1:30:29] I'm not even sure what it means.
[1:30:30] I mean, maybe it's vague, because we're afraid to get into some of the quasi-judicial.
[1:30:35] Is that it?
[1:30:37] So in that regard, I mean, it's just, I don't know.
[1:30:41] I don't know whether or not it just seems, it just seems like a, I don't know,
[1:30:47] That's your point, but was that a question or just okay, observation, thank you, Madam President, Councillor Rogers.
[1:31:02] Thank you, Madam President. I think my question is also with the tea. Are we going to add the tea? Okay, and then my question is what I'm worried about.
[1:31:13] And I think I'll go to our legal team.
[1:31:18] What I'm worried about on this one is the way it's worded,
[1:31:20] means we did the community engagement, everything's great.
[1:31:25] We met, we discussed the concerns,
[1:31:29] and we have a mutual agreement.
[1:31:30] But we've only heard from one party today.
[1:31:35] And so I'm worried that this is going to lock us in to say,
[1:31:37] that's already done, check the box, move along.
[1:31:40] And I am interpreting that correctly because it says we have met doesn't say that there's any more to be done.
[1:31:47] Like it's done, we did it.
[1:31:51] Madam President, Councilor Rogers, this would exist separately from the site plan process that we've been dancing around a little bit.
[1:31:58] So there are additional public engagement requirements associated with that side of the development.
[1:32:04] And so, this doesn't touch whatever that entails.
[1:32:08] This is just for purposes of considering this ordinance.
[1:32:12] Thank you, Madam President.
[1:32:13] So this does not bind the community to say we agree.
[1:32:19] Because I read it as back.
[1:32:21] Madam President, Councillor Rogers, no, it does not bind for this ordinance.
[1:32:30] Thank you, Madam President.
[1:32:34] Thank you, Councillor Rogers.
[1:32:35] Councillor Lewis.
[1:32:36] I'm going to take this to say, because I think it's what it does, this is that the company,
[1:32:43] the Somile Land Trust, and other nearby residents, neighbors, and organizations, are supportive
[1:32:51] of the salary that everything's been worked out, and everyone's good. Am I wrong?
[1:33:05] Better President and Councillor Lewis, I think what we need that the Council, it's important
[1:33:09] to understand that these are two separate processes.
[1:33:13] So one process is trying to deal with the site plan.
[1:33:17] That's quasi-judicial, and that's its own process that goes to its own thing.
[1:33:21] This is not going to be binding based on that, it's not like that is what they worked
[1:33:26] with a separate process.
[1:33:27] The IRB, you can put anything that you want, like there's a lot of different things that
[1:33:32] can be included in an IRB. The issue is if you include certain things in this particular IRB,
[1:33:38] when there's a site plan that's going through the system, then the council could potentially
[1:33:43] would be in a spot where they wouldn't be able to hear a potential appeal of the site plan.
[1:33:48] So that's what's going on here. That's why it's difficult because you don't want the council,
[1:34:00] We, what our legal team, what city legal we've talked to, are both doing is trying to be sure that if a site plan is appealed to Council, Council can weigh in and won't have to refuse.
[1:34:12] So separate processes. You've got the IRB, and you've got the site plan.
[1:34:18] Madam President, and I get that. This is an amendment attached to the issuance of an IRB for this specific project.
[1:34:28] And so, you know, if we just relate it to that specifically, then I'll take the statement for what it's worth.
[1:34:39] Is that it counts for us?
[1:34:41] Yeah?
[1:34:43] Anyone else?
[1:34:44] So, with that, counts for bucket of clothes.
[1:34:49] There's a motion and a second for floor.
[1:34:52] Proposed to amendment number.
[1:34:54] Floor amendment number two.
[1:34:55] All those in favor say yes and raise your hand.
[1:34:59] Opposed.
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[1:35:02] 6, 3 motion passes.
[1:35:07] So now we are back on the bill as amended and we will now go before we go to councilors.
[1:35:15] We will go to public comment. So Mr. Cornelius, can you call our first speaker?
[1:35:21] Thank you, Madam President. Our first speaker is Senator Debbie O'Malley, followed by Dr Lisa Fristofferson.
[1:35:53] Madam chair counselors, I just want to do, I do want to say that we did meet, I thought it was a good meeting.
[1:36:02] I think we really need to figure this thing out when it comes to an IRB versus, you know, it was mentioned there's two separate processes.
[1:36:12] Well, but then now it looks like council is kind of like combat, I mean your legal council is now combining them.
[1:36:19] And it's my understanding that you can put conditions on an R&B and I just want to say that we don't have an agreement
[1:36:27] We have an understanding I think that's in this characterization of what happened and the understanding was that we would have some strong amendments dealing with the issues we discussed.
[1:36:38] The conditions we discussed and now we were told of course that we couldn't do that.
[1:36:43] So, you know, I think that we're headed in the right direction, however now it looks like we can't talk about anything having to do with the site, the building, height, the mass, anything like that, because that would become a problem.
[1:36:57] So, by the way, I just want to say that that does not mean we have remained, we remain neutral on the IRB, just so you know, thank you.
[1:37:10] Dr. Lisa Kristofferson, followed by William Keller.
[1:37:15] Thank you all very much, and thank you very much for the good neighbor agreement.
[1:37:19] I would have voted for it, that's a good idea.
[1:37:22] I would say to answer the question, why now, not why before?
[1:37:26] Truly, honestly, we weren't organized the way we are now.
[1:37:29] We weren't organized that way before, and getting information out to commute.
[1:37:33] Hey, did you know that this is happening?
[1:37:34] Because sometimes, as you'll hear here, as happened with, in my situation, I lived close
[1:37:39] to a property that I didn't get notice on because of the amount of space, legally, right?
[1:37:45] So I would say that NMSTC supports construction as long as there have been conversations
[1:37:50] with stakeholders.
[1:37:52] We maintain that for everything going forward.
[1:37:55] We're not like against developers, the communities not against housing, et cetera.
[1:37:59] Just are we including?
[1:38:00] So I would ask that same question.
[1:38:02] When does the community get to express our concerns about how far the parking, the traffic,
[1:38:09] all of that. So I would appreciate if we could have confirmation that they got the agreements
[1:38:15] that they wanted. That's really what we're asking for. Let them work with the community.
[1:38:19] How long it takes?
[1:38:23] Thank you. William Keller, followed by Michael Silva.
[1:38:31] Thank you. Thank you, Madam President, Counselors. I'm my name's Bill Keller. I'm here just as
[1:38:37] member of the public, basically I grew up in Albuquerque, I worked here all my life, and
[1:38:43] I currently manage a family real estate company, and I'm more importantly a big booster
[1:38:49] of Albuquerque.
[1:38:51] And I just, I want Albuquerque to be better, and this is something that will bring places
[1:38:57] to stay to an important part of town, somebody, you know, we've mentioned, old town and
[1:39:04] It's a great area, and this will bring people there.
[1:39:08] This particular place won't have a bar or a restaurant in it, so the visitors will walk
[1:39:16] outside, drive outside, they will go someplace, and spend a little bit of money.
[1:39:22] And the business visitors will be doing business here.
[1:39:25] So I think it's just a part of developing out the Turkey, and I hope that we can get behind
[1:39:31] it.
[1:39:34] Michael Silva, followed by Pete Kisetas.
[1:39:42] Hello, my name is Michael Silva.
[1:39:45] I first wanted to say I dealt with this hotel company in a previous entrepreneurial endeavor that I own and operate.
[1:39:55] And I found them to be incredibly kind.
[1:40:00] Driven, I found them to be the type of people that wouldn't be comfortable in their success so much so that they would forget about those around them, and the greater goods.
[1:40:11] I just wanted to put that on record first. Kindness is essential, and they appear to be kind operators.
[1:40:16] As a business owner, that's impacted by this. I am the co-owner of the, from what I know, the only tourter company in the state of Mexico, Tory, BQ.
[1:40:25] we operate the city tour of the trolley here in Albuquerque.
[1:40:30] I'm in favor of more people being in the
[1:40:32] old town, Songil area because that means they're going to get on my trolley and that means that's economic
[1:40:36] development and we are as a company the best first thing to do in Albuquerque. That's how we promote ourselves.
[1:40:42] We take people and show them all that is Albuquerque and gives us a greater view of the city so they can go out and
[1:40:48] explore and do other things. Thank you.
[1:40:54] Pete Casetas, father of our trolley Bradley.
[1:41:01] Good evening
[1:41:01] I was at the last meeting and here I am again.
[1:41:05] I have skin in the game.
[1:41:06] I manage Plaza Don Luis, which is an old town.
[1:41:08] I own Outpost 176 Caproom in Plaza Don Luis.
[1:41:12] I live in the heart of Old Town.
[1:41:14] I support the development in the IRB.
[1:41:16] I feel if it's given to other developers in the area.
[1:41:18] It should be extended to this developer.
[1:41:22] New construction is difficult in Old Town in the old town area.
[1:41:26] Here we have an opportunity.
[1:41:27] It's usually difficult because of land.
[1:41:28] and we have that. We need to take full advantage of it. I do not think this brand or this
[1:41:34] project will lessen anything in the particular area. It will add two old town, especially since
[1:41:39] the fact the developer will not be putting a bar or restaurant in there, those folks will take the
[1:41:43] rail trail, they'll walk to old town, they'll come to my establishment and many others and spend
[1:41:48] money and have a great time. I also think it provides an affordable option for the tourists coming
[1:41:54] through Albuquerque to stay in that downtown old town area.
[1:41:57] So I think that's a plus also.
[1:42:00] In addition to that, it creates jobs for the local community.
[1:42:04] Thank you.
[1:42:07] Thank you.
[1:42:08] Troy Bradley, fellow by Adale Rose, Ben Etaheric.
[1:42:16] Madam Chair, and Councillor Stank's for allowing us to come and speak on this.
[1:42:20] My name is Troy Bradley, I'm the executive chief pilot for Rainbow Riders, well known for
[1:42:25] the building community and the largest right operator in North America, and we've grown out
[1:42:30] of Albuquerque.
[1:42:31] That's where we're from.
[1:42:33] But what we're looking for is we want everyone to think about in vision, if I say Albuquerque.
[1:42:40] Right there, what's the first thought that comes to your mind?
[1:42:43] All of us are from different neighborhoods.
[1:42:45] We're all from different areas.
[1:42:46] We have a vision of Albuquerque that is our own.
[1:42:49] When we say Albuquerque to an outsider to a tourist, old town is the vision that they
[1:42:53] see.
[1:42:53] That is what we sell.
[1:42:55] That's what we are promoting and pushing because that's what people want to see.
[1:42:59] They want to have the old west.
[1:43:00] They want to have the old town area.
[1:43:03] Recently I was in part of two organizations that RFPs have gone out to and they had responded
[1:43:09] with Albuquerque as being one of the possible host cities.
[1:43:12] We lost both of those bids due to the cost of staying in the old town area.
[1:43:19] So I think that this would provide a good mid-scale all-logging need that is necessary down there.
[1:43:26] Thank you very much.
[1:43:28] Adele Rose Bennett, Eric, followed by Grace Dukes.
[1:43:36] So this is why we want caretakers not developers.
[1:43:40] I would ask that you pull that amendment to amendment B out.
[1:43:45] I live near old town.
[1:43:48] I can't support this.
[1:43:49] They're pushing people around and out of their homes.
[1:43:57] Adele Rose, if you don't mind.
[1:44:02] I'm going to take a personal privilege.
[1:44:04] First time I've seen you since the last time we're here
[1:44:07] and I just want to make a public apology to you
[1:44:10] for how I announced you the last time.
[1:44:14] So, again, apologize.
[1:44:17] Take care.
[1:44:18] Thank you.
[1:44:19] Okay, our next speaker.
[1:44:22] Thank you, Madam President.
[1:44:23] Grace Dukes, followed by then, Michael Bararros.
[1:44:30] I've been watching these comments for a few months
[1:44:32] about this hotel, and frankly,
[1:44:33] I'm surprised by the way people talk about this.
[1:44:36] You would think they're trying to build another
[1:44:38] birch colifah in the Somel, but in reality,
[1:44:42] this is a five story hotel
[1:44:43] that's going to give people more options.
[1:44:45] It's a locally owned project,
[1:44:48] but I can't in good faith support this
[1:44:50] with the amendment B.
[1:44:51] This essentially binds the community into approval and silence.
[1:44:57] I came into supporting the IRB, but now I genuinely don't know how to...
[1:45:00] This feels incredibly fishy in the fact that you don't know that the site plan will stay the same from tonight, approval, this IRB, to when they break ground should be grounds to vote this down, regardless of how you feel about the options that this will open up.
[1:45:18] Ben Michael Vereris, followed by Austin Shovel.
[1:45:32] Austin Shovel, followed by Concewello, Avaita.
[1:45:46] Well, everyone, not a big public speaker, so bear with me.
[1:45:50] But I'm here for a second time, because I really do believe in this project.
[1:45:53] My name is Austin Shovel, I'm an in Mexico native, born and raised in North Valley.
[1:45:58] I've been graduating some St. Pius, played football at UNM,
[1:46:00] and I now operate a small business in the village of Los Ranchos,
[1:46:03] own and operate a small business.
[1:46:06] I'm here to speak in support of the Post Hotel.
[1:46:09] After recently looking for a room for special occasions,
[1:46:12] I find the prices of the two local closest hotels are pretty darn expensive.
[1:46:18] You know, Chaco at $477 and then $285 a night.
[1:46:25] It's not doable for young people that are trying to be in the area.
[1:46:30] A nice new locally owned and staff to mid-range price hotel and walking distance of all the gems that we know and love is much needed in the area.
[1:46:40] All in all, I think it would be a fantastic addition to the old town in Albuquerque as a whole.
[1:46:46] I want to thank you all so much for your time.
[1:46:49] Consuelo Abeta, followed by Viola Martinez.
[1:47:01] I am Consuelo with some capital hotels.
[1:47:03] At my Hilton property, we have made several upgrades to improve our environmental footprint, which includes water saving fixtures,
[1:47:11] LED lighting, motion controlled thermostats, high efficiency laundry units,
[1:47:16] and other planet-friendly practices.
[1:47:18] This bulk amenity bottles have been replaced or have replaced individual amenities.
[1:47:25] Hilton saved the world program, recycles our amenity plastics, and used bar soaps.
[1:47:30] The new sawmill hotel will continue the same spirit of sustainability.
[1:47:35] I will personally make sure, excuse me, I will personally help make sure we bring
[1:47:44] the same standards to this hotel and operate it as a responsible neighbor in Samuel and
[1:47:50] Old Town.
[1:47:51] I support this therapy.
[1:47:55] Violet Martinez, followed by Bernice Guerrero,
[1:48:08] Bernice Guerrero, followed by Robert
[1:48:10] Avalos.
[1:48:20] Hello.
[1:48:21] Good evening.
[1:48:22] I'm sorry.
[1:48:23] I'm sorry.
[1:48:24] My name is Bernice.
[1:48:25] I lead the house keeping the carbonation capitals when I started speaking English in front
[1:48:31] people was very difficult for me. Throughout the leadership program, I learned to communicate better,
[1:48:36] present in English and become more confident. Today, I lead the entire housekeeping department.
[1:48:43] The company supports our families. They provide Thanksgiving meals and help us with school
[1:48:49] for plus for our children's. This is more than a job for me as being an opportunity to grow and become
[1:48:58] a leader in a better support with my family, thank you.
[1:49:08] Robert Avalos, followed by Orlando Alvichris.
[1:49:15] Hello, Madam President. I'm Kelsa members. I'm Robert Avalos. I'm also
[1:49:19] with some capital hotels and at our hotels, we work hard to support nearby restaurants,
[1:49:24] bars and local businesses. Our guests are looking for places to eat and things to do,
[1:49:29] and we want to help them connect with the neighborhood. I will be helping with the new
[1:49:34] Hamilton integrate into the community and build relationships with nearby businesses like for myself at my hotel
[1:49:40] There's five six seven restaurants around us and so when we have teams coming in or we know big sports events are coming in
[1:49:47] We help coordinate that with those restaurants so then they're not surprised with a party of 20 or 30 coming in the door
[1:49:53] There, you know, made aware of that and they can prepare properly for their staff as well
[1:49:57] Because the hotel will not have its own
[1:50:08] I think it's important that we spread the wealth of something I learned in our visit, Albuquerque Ace class, and not just kind of keep it in one area, but spread it all around Albuquerque. So thank you, I hope you support this IRB.
[1:50:25] Orlando Alvdres, followed by Helia Todd.
[1:50:34] Madam President and counselors, my name is Orlando, and I'm the director of the Salmel Community
[1:50:38] Land Trust.
[1:50:39] We met with the hotel developer and our counselor, Joaquin Baca, and Good Faith, Friday
[1:50:44] before last to come up with amendments that address our concerns.
[1:50:47] We felt it was our responsibility to speak up for the historic neighborhoods immediately
[1:50:50] east of the proposed hotel.
[1:50:52] There is no development that exceeds three stories that immediately abut single family homes
[1:50:56] in the area.
[1:50:57] As we know, the developer slash property owner has the right through zoning to build 60 feet.
[1:51:02] However, it's clear that he needs the financial incentive of the IRB to build his hotel.
[1:51:07] And this is where Council has a say.
[1:51:09] We are asking that you support strong amendments to this bill that deal with the issues we discussed.
[1:51:14] Thank you.
[1:51:17] Halea Tom, followed by DePesh, Nicole Wadwala.
[1:51:21] Good afternoon, Madam President, counselors.
[1:51:23] I wrote a speech today, but I'm not going to say it.
[1:51:27] I want to thank you for your time.
[1:51:28] I want to thank you for hearing us out the last couple of weeks.
[1:51:33] I have learned so much by coming to the City Council meetings and how I can be a better
[1:51:37] member of the community and how I can support us in joining what you counselors are working on
[1:51:44] in your districts. We have a really cool leadership program that you've heard us talk about over
[1:51:49] the last couple of weeks and we are really about growing individuals. So we don't hire a person that
[1:51:56] go to college or necessarily that's not the right path for them, but we want to give them
[1:52:02] career opportunities. Something really tangible to hold on to. And that's a career. We invest
[1:52:08] in them. We want them to start out in a very beginning position and have the opportunity to grow
[1:52:16] and whether they grow with us or whether we help them go out and find a job someplace else.
[1:52:21] We want to do that for our people. We also want to be a part of this community. So thank you guys
[1:52:26] for hearing us today, and I'm excited for what we can do next.
[1:52:33] DePesh, called Wadwala, followed by William R. Stafford on Zoom.
[1:52:39] Hi, DePesh, I can't do better than that.
[1:52:41] I just want to thank you for your time today.
[1:52:57] William Stafford, followed by Ray Strong on Zoom.
[1:53:09] Madam President and Councillors, thank you so much.
[1:53:13] My name is William R. Stafford.
[1:53:14] I'm the owner of the State of New Mexico.
[1:53:16] So, very proud to say that my family has been serving authentic New Mexican cuisine for 72 years
[1:53:23] in the Albuquerque area.
[1:53:25] My support for this project comes in many aspects.
[1:53:29] What stands out the most as a destination city for Albuquerque is affordable overnight rooms.
[1:53:36] We need more of that.
[1:53:37] We need the destination.
[1:53:39] We need that economic development.
[1:53:41] And secondly, employment opportunities.
[1:53:45] I think that all of us as business people in this area in the city of Albuquerque, the village of Los Ranchos, and
[1:53:53] and beyond really understand just how important it is to get people.
[1:54:00] Let's hire more Albuquerqueians, new Mexicans.
[1:54:03] Let's put them to work.
[1:54:04] Thank you so much for all the work that you do.
[1:54:07] I really appreciate it.
[1:54:09] God bless.
[1:54:12] Raise strong, followed by Zachary Poon.
[1:54:17] Madam President, council members, thank you for this opportunity.
[1:54:21] This is the second time I will speak to you about this project.
[1:54:24] I am fully supporting of this project and I think it's compelling.
[1:54:28] We've heard a lot of statements about the economic, the positive economic impact of a
[1:54:32] project of this nature and the quality and benefit to the community and to the noble
[1:54:39] I'm speaking you today as a longtime resident that will retire here.
[1:54:46] I am a professional risk manager and insurance broker for 47 years.
[1:54:52] I've worked with some capital for over 15 years.
[1:54:55] I've walked every one of their properties here in the Mexico and I could assure you.
[1:55:00] That there are the quality of the buildings, the quality of the product that they will produce and they have produced many.
[1:55:06] We'll make our community proud. They meet and exceed the standards that you would expect for life safety, for public safety, and fire prevention.
[1:55:16] And I cannot advocate for them. I'm so impressed with the leadership group. They do such a great job.
[1:55:23] I hope you can support this project. I think it will be a benefit to everyone. Thank you.
[1:55:29] Zachary Holm, followed by a Jordan McConnell.
[1:55:35] I thank you guys for your time.
[1:55:38] In support of this project and given these guys their IRB,
[1:55:43] I have a business with two locations that would be affected by a bit of
[1:55:48] traffic from a hotel like this.
[1:55:51] And I think that's a positive thing for the community.
[1:55:54] I live in the area and I would welcome the addition of extra affordable
[1:55:59] rooms to bring customers to my bar. I also think that building hotels will help us take
[1:56:07] the pressure off converting housing into airB and B's, and that's something we desperately
[1:56:12] need in Albuquerque to use more affordable housing. And I thank you guys for your time.
[1:56:21] Jordan McConnell.
[1:56:25] Good evening, President Pennion. Members of the Council,
[1:56:27] my name is Jordan McConnell. I'm a district to resident. Earlier in my life, I worked in
[1:56:33] Spitality is a front desk agent, a night auditor, and in hotel management.
[1:56:38] This was during a period of my life where I struggled financially in having a hotel
[1:56:42] job within walking distance of my home literally kept me housed.
[1:56:46] I'm asking you to approve this IRB.
[1:56:48] The developers done what we asked the developers to do, they followed our rules, they
[1:56:52] listened to neighbors, and they were responding to concerns.
[1:56:55] The project will comply with planning frameworks, neighborhood age requirements, and
[1:56:59] at some point the process has to mean something.
[1:57:01] And at Grace's point, it won't be a Birch Khalifa.
[1:57:05] We're investing millions in the rail trail through the sawmill in Old Town.
[1:57:08] This hotel compliments and leverages that investment by putting visitors within walking and biking
[1:57:12] distance of all these lovely businesses, that's also what an IRB does, leverages investment.
[1:57:18] Council already approved an IRB for another property in your journal center.
[1:57:21] I appreciate Councillor Bassong for underlining that.
[1:57:25] We want this investment, we want these jobs and we want this project in our community.
[1:57:29] Please approve this IRB.
[1:57:30] Thank you. Thank you, Madam President. I was unable to locate four speakers in Zoom, so that concludes comment. Thank you.
[1:57:39] Thank you before we go to Councillor's staff wanted to present.
[1:57:57] Thank you, Madam President and city councillors. Tonight I am pleased to present the Dreamcatcher
[1:58:02] Sommel Hotel Development, a project that represents a significant private investment in it underutilized
[1:58:09] site that continues the redevelopment of an important area of Albuquerque.
[1:58:15] The applicant is requesting $40 million, $520,267,000, and city issued taxable industrial
[1:58:23] revenue bonds to support the construction of a new dual-branded Hampton Inn and Hohmto
[1:58:28] Sweets Hotel at 1,8th Street. The development will include approximately 135 rooms that
[1:58:36] fly with the IDO and Old Town Historic Overlay along with parking and new landscaping.
[1:58:42] The development has intentionally decided not to include a bar or restaurant in the hotel
[1:58:47] to generate broad community benefit to local small businesses.
[1:58:52] The hotel replaces approximately 25,600 square foot office building that will improve traffic
[1:58:58] patterns by staggering them throughout the day rather than current concentration at peak hours
[1:59:03] Monday through Friday.
[1:59:04] This investment will also put this property back into productive use that generates gross
[1:59:11] receipts, tax, lodgers, tax, albuquerque tourism, marketing district assessment, and contributes
[1:59:18] to much needed foot traffic in the area.
[1:59:22] The project also aligns with several important economic development priorities.
[1:59:26] It is located with a metropolitan redevelopment area, an opportunity zone, and a historically
[1:59:32] underutilized business zone. These designations reflect the areas potential for redevelopment
[1:59:38] and make this project an opportunity to advance both local and federal economic development goals.
[1:59:44] This project is expected to create approximately 42 to 47 permanent full-time and part-time jobs.
[1:59:53] These positions will include professional, supervisory, clerical, and operational hospitality roles.
[2:00:00] This project also provides meaningful benefits to its employees, eligible employees will have access to medical, dental, and vision insurance as well as retirement plans.
[2:00:11] This fiscal impact is also positive, according to UNM Beaver of Business and Economic Research, the project is estimated to generate approximately 6.4 million in taxes by 2045 and remain tax-positive throughout the term of the bond.
[2:00:26] I also want to emphasize that no city funds will be used and the city's credit will not be pledged.
[2:00:33] This project will be eligible for up to 20 years of property tax abatement on the land building and equipment.
[2:00:40] Equipment purchase with bond proceeds will be exempt from gross receipts and compensating tax.
[2:00:46] At its core this project, this project takes an underutilized property, bringing more than 40 million in private investment, creates jobs, generates long-term tax revenue, and contributes to the local tourism economy.
[2:01:02] The DreamCatcher saw Mill Hotel Development represents a strong example of how the city's industrial revenue bond program can leverage private investment and support economic development, job creation and revitalization.
[2:01:13] And for this reason, staff recommends approval of the Dream Catcher, Salmil Hotel.
[2:01:18] I would now like to invite the Pesh if you choose to hear from him.
[2:01:23] Thank you for your time.
[2:01:34] Madam President, Council, I had a presentation, but I'm going to skip it because,
[2:01:38] oh, what we talked about earlier.
[2:01:45] Okay, so does that finalize your presentation?
[2:01:47] It does.
[2:01:48] Okay, thank you.
[2:01:49] Okay, thank you.
[2:01:49] Okay, thank you.
[2:01:49] So we're going to go to Councillors, but before we do Mr. Pesh,
[2:01:52] You're already here. I would just like to ask a couple of questions.
[2:01:57] So we have, I mean, we're hearing from everyone.
[2:02:00] I think I RBI just voted on IRB right down the street from there.
[2:02:05] We voted on IRB that you have another project going.
[2:02:09] And obviously this one in front of us.
[2:02:11] And so I guess my question is, is community, right?
[2:02:15] Community is, is, you know, the old town.
[2:02:18] Again, like I said earlier, is a historic neighborhood, and all the positive that we've heard from everybody about how economic development is a driver.
[2:02:26] It's doing all these wonderful things in agreement, but what about the residents that have to live there?
[2:02:35] So I guess my question to you is, is an amendment that says that you would adhere to the stipulations that you made with the community.
[2:02:46] Are you amenable to that? Because I was told that you're amenable to the agreement. I think I received any mail from you and you guys had some agreements.
[2:02:55] Can we have the staff be creative and figure out a way how to say that you know you're committed to you know the neighborhood you're going to move into a historic neighborhood.
[2:03:05] And that you're committed to those agreements, not additional ones, but the agreements that you discussed with the neighbors who live adjacent to it.
[2:03:15] Madam President, members of the council, we did have the discussion, I think we had a very
[2:03:21] cordial discussion.
[2:03:22] It was very productive and without getting into quasi-traditional items, we agreed to make
[2:03:32] things look better and we also talked about what can't be done, which allows us to do economic
[2:03:43] the sick scale and really to make an affordable hotel,
[2:03:48] we've got to do certain things in our process.
[2:03:51] This, as Monica Mitchell said,
[2:03:55] we do comply to the current zoning planning,
[2:03:59] ideal, historic, old, or lay in this area.
[2:04:02] So we will do the best as we can to meet with the community,
[2:04:06] we'll continue to meet with them and take their input.
[2:04:10] And if recent progress is any indication,
[2:04:13] We have been listening. We've changed a few things already and I've been sharing that with Senator Romalia as as the conversation goes on
[2:04:23] So Mr. Pesh, I would like to ask Commissioner, I mean Senator O'Malley would come down and and talk about those things and I think it's important because I received an email from you saying that you had some agreements
[2:04:36] So I'm not saying to do an amendment outside of those things and so some of the things that you're mentioning now are you know
[2:04:44] They're there words and the words, you know, don't really mean anything after this IRB is approved right
[2:04:51] So I'm just saying that it would be nice to know that the residents and you know and if anybody in here doesn't know
[2:05:00] Senator O'Malley really is a grassroots organizer who really was the leader in transforming the whole downtown area into what it is today.
[2:05:11] And when she speaks and says that she has some things that wants to get addressed in order to do all the wonderful things that everybody wants an economic development and bring businesses.
[2:05:20] I think we should probably listen.
[2:05:23] So I would just ask that if Senator Malie, there was some agreements that were made.
[2:05:30] I haven't any mail.
[2:05:31] I don't know what they were, but I think that a Mr. DePesh year, the one that sent me the
[2:05:36] email.
[2:05:36] So I would like to see if maybe staff can get creative and figure out an amendment on how we
[2:05:42] can ensure that the community historic community can be protected.
[2:05:46] So Senator Malie, if you can add to that.
[2:05:51] Thank you, Madam Chair.
[2:05:53] I do believe that we did have a good meetings.
[2:05:57] We,
[2:05:59] the Trust Board also met afterwards.
[2:06:03] I believe that, you know, it was more of what can we do to affect, you know, as best we
[2:06:12] can, right, to affect this development.
[2:06:14] So that it's not as I guess we would say uptrusive in the sense that of its, you know,
[2:06:24] size, et cetera. And I think that the developer listened to us.
[2:06:30] I would think that there would be something we could do.
[2:06:34] I mean, I think that there are understandings that we have as we move forward.
[2:06:40] of course, you know, as was mentioned, there is still that process that the developer has
[2:06:47] to go through, and that's the process as he goes toward the permitting process, so there was
[2:06:54] some confusion about that, that this was actually a site plan that was approved, it was not,
[2:07:00] it was just part of the IRB presentation.
[2:07:03] I think, you know, it's been kind of frustrating, I think, and it's something I hope that the council will look into in terms of how this process plays out because it is more of a, you know, kind of a cart before the horse kind of thing.
[2:07:20] And I understand that the developer was looking for a financial incentives because he saw that, you know, this project wouldn't pencil.
[2:07:28] So I understand that. I guess the big issue for us was, again, and I'll repeat the same thing,
[2:07:36] was, you know, the property is adjacent to single family housing and it's right there.
[2:07:42] And also we, so that's one of the reasons, we did talk about it.
[2:07:46] So that was good, and I think we have some understanding about that.
[2:07:49] And then the other issue, of course, was traffic.
[2:07:52] And we were talking about a local street, which is 18th.
[2:07:55] We have to look at the bigger area.
[2:07:57] We did talk with our counselor, walking back about it.
[2:08:00] We have to look at the area around traffic mobility,
[2:08:04] pedestrian access, et cetera.
[2:08:06] This is getting to a point where it's getting pretty dangerous.
[2:08:10] And so that was a big issue for the trust as well,
[2:08:13] because there's what over 250 people that live in the trust.
[2:08:18] And we've been, as a trust, as you mentioned earlier,
[2:08:22] We've been very, very careful and very considerate, I believe, as developers, as we move forward,
[2:08:29] when we do development, we consider a lot of things, and we do consider character and those kinds of things,
[2:08:36] and movement, and traffic, and things like that.
[2:08:38] And we're basically an island of affordability.
[2:08:41] The sum of interest has developed permanently affordable housing.
[2:08:45] The average price of the house when it goes to resell is about $150,000.
[2:08:50] That's unheard of. And that's because we kept that, or that subsidies within that house.
[2:08:57] And we want to make sure that we keep that going and that we support families within the area.
[2:09:02] But it did come out that I'm sure that there's concern about children.
[2:09:06] We have a lot of families there. So that said, you know, I certainly understand that we're
[2:09:11] a developer's perspective. His investment that he wants to make sure that he gets the highest, you know,
[2:09:17] You saw that his investment. I certainly get that. But those were the concerns we had and, you know,
[2:09:24] all I can say is, you know, we had an understanding that somehow the amendments would reflect that.
[2:09:30] But apparently they cannot, so that's kind of where we are. I appreciate the, the.
[2:09:36] So just to say that there was some agreements made, right? There was some understanding,
[2:09:42] So then the developer is saying, see, this is the concern, right?
[2:09:48] So you're looking, like you didn't agree to it because you don't have to,
[2:09:53] if this thing passes without those amendments.
[2:09:56] So I'm just saying that all the wonderful things about this...
[2:10:00] Project, which I agree, I'm not proposed to it. I'm just saying that how do we then ensure that those agreements
[2:10:06] that aren't just words that are solidified in some type of language. So I don't know if we can actually
[2:10:13] put in there, that you know, you have to, as the process goes on, you have to meet with the community
[2:10:21] and look through those stipulations or ideas that were made and be able to figure out how you
[2:10:29] walk down this path together because when everyone leaves at night and goes home from their
[2:10:36] businesses and leaves the area, it's the neighborhood that's going to have to deal with
[2:10:41] what's there. So it's a big thing for me. I mean, I don't know whether I have votes or not votes,
[2:10:47] but I think that it's important. So I'd like to turn to our staff to ask them, how do we get
[2:10:53] the community's voice heard with this project moving forward.
[2:10:59] And then I'll go to Councillor Pissant.
[2:11:04] Madam President, I think, in terms of what we can do inside this IRB bill while still protecting
[2:11:13] your ability to hear an appeal that may come before the Council in the separate site plan.
[2:11:19] We will, I think, need to do some brainstorming on other ways to approach that.
[2:11:24] I will add, again, not to sound like a broken record, but a lot of these things can be captured in the separate site plan application.
[2:11:35] And so that is one place.
[2:11:37] I know that's not quite the answer that we're looking for, but that is one place where those things, those concerns, those agreements can be reflected.
[2:11:44] But in terms of this bill tonight, we'll give some additional thought to what we can do to navigate around maintaining your ability to hear a QJ appeal.
[2:11:54] Correct, and I understand that but the IRB will have already been given and we can't take it back
[2:12:00] They decide they don't want to listen to the neighborhood
[2:12:02] So Madam President in that case there the other option would be a deferral while the site plan runs its course
[2:12:09] So that the QJ side separately has been resolved before the council has asked to vote on the funding piece
[2:12:17] Which I know there's new ones is another pitfalls to that approach as well
[2:12:21] that just so. And I think I forgot about the challenge on the developer while he's trying
[2:12:26] to go through the process. And yeah. So our city is trying to get like to hear from you
[2:12:31] and then Councilperson.
[2:12:35] Council Chair, Madam Chair, sorry. I think it's going to be very difficult
[2:12:42] to come up with language that is going to address the concerns of the community, what level of
[2:12:50] language agreement that they come to without putting it in language into the IRB, when without
[2:12:58] running the risk of the challenges we've been talking about all night if there is a appeal
[2:13:04] and becomes quasi-judicial. So I'm happy to work with Julie and Victor and see if we can come
[2:13:12] up with something but I do think it's going to be challenging to meet the kind of the criteria
[2:13:17] and the threshold that you guys are looking for
[2:13:20] without running the risk of being problematic down the road?
[2:13:26] Well, thank you.
[2:13:29] And I mean, this is really a difficult situation, right?
[2:13:32] I mean, I think the hotel's cool.
[2:13:35] I feel really bad for the neighborhoods
[2:13:36] that they don't have any assurements,
[2:13:39] but anyway, Councillor Pissant.
[2:13:43] Madam President, I think that I feel like at least
[2:13:47] I'm sitting in a different universe tonight when it comes to these.
[2:13:53] If we want to improve our bookarchy, and we want people to invest in our bookarchy, and we want people to come here,
[2:13:59] and we want tourism, and we want business, and we want to reduce crime, and we want to increase affordability,
[2:14:06] and we want all of these things.
[2:14:09] we sure also seem to want to make it
[2:14:13] excruciatingly difficult for businesses and developers
[2:14:16] to want to even try.
[2:14:19] This site plan, and I would like to ask our staff on this,
[2:14:23] to kind of roll down a little bit of the process,
[2:14:27] because I think we're talking about two different things.
[2:14:30] If we don't incentivize certain larger projects,
[2:14:34] they're not going to happen.
[2:14:35] We're going to have a vacant building
[2:14:36] on a vacant piece of property that causes
[2:14:38] the whole other problem that we've been facing.
[2:14:40] And if we incentivize, then there's still the planning process.
[2:14:44] And this is what I want confirmation on,
[2:14:46] whether it's from this one's with more,
[2:14:48] whether it's from our staff, or whoever that means to be.
[2:14:51] But if we don't incentivize through some of something
[2:14:54] like an IRB, developers aren't even going to try.
[2:14:57] If they try and we give them the IRB.
[2:15:00] I believe also Mr. Mayor had a question for you to please confirm. Isn't it in here that if the developer
[2:15:07] doesn't deliver on certain commitments, then they don't get all of the benefit. And I would like to hear,
[2:15:14] I mean, I read it, I get it, but I want to hear, in an IRB, Mr. Mayor had, isn't it true that there are certain
[2:15:22] requirements that the developer must follow through on in order to qualify and keep any of this incentive?
[2:15:28] Madam President, Councilperson, yes, there are things in the lease agreement after the IRB closes which puts requirements on the developer to enjoy the city's benefit and the incentive you mentioned for the full 20 years.
[2:15:42] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So that prevents what I'm going to coin as a bait and switch as far as the IRB is concerned.
[2:15:49] When it comes to the site plan and the details that I think we've heard it multiple times so far, there's been conversation, there's been it sounds to me like maybe there's been some willingness on certain things on unwillingness because of probably because of very valid reasons on both sides.
[2:16:09] But at the same time is there not and so I guess Ms. Rens Whitmore.
[2:16:13] Just so I can get our staff off the hook because we've gone in a few circles on this but
[2:16:18] Can you please confirm when this site plan is getting approved?
[2:16:24] One, will it eventually come before the council,
[2:16:27] especially if there's a problem or disagreement?
[2:16:34] Madam President, Councillor Vassan,
[2:16:36] so a site plan won't come before you for approval,
[2:16:39] but if an approval gets appealed, it will come before you.
[2:16:42] So if there's a problem, then it will come before us.
[2:16:45] If the problem is that there's a disagreement in any of this
[2:16:49] and the developer or the community have not linked together and there's a problem.
[2:16:54] There's a problem.
[2:16:55] It will come before the council.
[2:16:57] The site plan does does that process for everybody watching have a community engagement process
[2:17:03] where there is going to be the cross-teas and the eyes dotted for at least making sure
[2:17:09] to deliver what this is going to look like.
[2:17:12] What this will be have the community express their concerns and then potentially have an agreement
[2:17:17] or not, or an appeal that comes before the council?
[2:17:20] Madam President, Councillor Gassan, are you asking about the site plan approval process?
[2:17:25] Yeah, well, I'm asking if a site plan in the process to even just get the site plan approved?
[2:17:31] Is there any community involvement?
[2:17:34] So, Madam President, Councillor Gassan, the site plan would be approved administratively.
[2:17:38] There would be notice that goes out to the neighborhood association and a sign on the property.
[2:17:42] of people could send their comments, check the design, make sure it met any agreements that
[2:17:48] were made privately between the parties.
[2:17:51] The site plan can absolutely reflect what that agreement was, what the city couldn't
[2:17:56] do is put into the site plan approval that no change could ever be made or that a different
[2:18:03] building height than what was allowed in the IDO that they could never maximize what's allowed
[2:18:09] under the zoning.
[2:18:09] So the site client can absolutely confirm the agreements, but it couldn't lock it in forever.
[2:18:15] Right. Okay. And thank you. Because to me, I'm trying to get at, I think that the trust and the neighborhoods,
[2:18:21] they have an ability to be able to get this in communication formally with the developer.
[2:18:28] And the developer has an opportunity to formally respond.
[2:18:32] And all of that can be wrapped up hopefully with a bow for everybody in order to do this.
[2:18:39] But the point to me is that if we don't incentivize then we're not going to get this across the
[2:18:46] finish line and by this I don't mean just this project. I mean a lot of them that come before
[2:18:50] the council in the city and respectfully I do think that old town is a gem but some would argue that
[2:18:57] the open space is a gem and somewhere to argue that the foothills is a gem and there's other gems
[2:19:02] in the city so where do we draw the line on that if our process is broken which I'm not saying
[2:19:07] It's not, then let's not take it out on this particular piece of legislation.
[2:19:12] Let's take that out and fix the process, which we're all getting really good at wanting
[2:19:16] to do.
[2:19:17] So let's do that.
[2:19:18] Let's fix the process instead of taking it out on this potential applicant for something
[2:19:24] that we've done recently for other areas of the city or we've done recently for the
[2:19:29] same area of the city.
[2:19:30] I just think that we are getting a little mixed up in some of what on other instances has
[2:19:37] very simple. And on this one, I can suspect what my thoughts are as to what the hiccups are,
[2:19:45] but I just don't think that that's fair and that that's the right way to govern.
[2:19:54] Senator Mellie, you had your hand up.
[2:19:57] Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to say, you know, the reason
[2:20:00] And that we have focused on this one is, I think we're saying, oh, this whole area. Well, that whole area, depending on where the building is, is very different. And the reason that we looked at this particular one was the adjacency to single family housing, which is that lot that's a butts single family house. That's the reason we focused on it. And so, and also the other issue was concerned about about traffic.
[2:20:30] So that's why, and I don't want to, you know, and we'll look at the other IRBs, I think that I know that the ones that you all supported for Jim Long with Heritage Hotels, and I know that a lot of folks think, well, you know, let's be fair. After all, you've given Jim Long, but I do want to say something in defense of Jim Long and Heritage Hotels is that they did create the destination there.
[2:20:58] So let's not slam them for asking for IRBs, and of course you have the right as a council to decide what conditions you put on the IRBs.
[2:21:08] What we need to get straight now I think here is the right for you all to put a condition on an IRB.
[2:21:15] It's my understanding that you can because you are making the financial commitment for something.
[2:21:22] And you're right, it could end up or something
[2:21:25] doesn't get billed or the site plan gets a field
[2:21:28] or something like that can happen.
[2:21:29] But you still have the right to do it.
[2:21:32] And that seems to be very unclear with the council.
[2:21:34] And so I have concerns about that.
[2:21:36] But that's all I have to say.
[2:21:38] And that's I just wanted to respond to that.
[2:21:40] Mr. Depesh, if you wanted to add anything
[2:21:42] to that, you're part of the walk up to since I
[2:21:45] love her the time.
[2:21:47] No, Madam Chair, I don't have anything else to add.
[2:21:50] OK.
[2:21:50] So I'll just end with, you know, I know what, um,
[2:21:54] okay, I was still, I was still in my, yeah.
[2:21:58] So I, I'll just, and you guys can have a, have a seat
[2:22:01] unless they have any additional questions of you,
[2:22:03] but I just want to end by just saying that, um,
[2:22:05] I agree with what Calcifus want to say.
[2:22:07] And I mean, we do need economic development,
[2:22:09] but just saying that we can do economic development
[2:22:11] and just, you know, do all these IRBs
[2:22:14] or all this stuff for development in the community
[2:22:16] without taking into account neighborhoods
[2:22:18] is really going in the wrong direction, right?
[2:22:21] I mean, if you live in an underserved neighborhood zoning,
[2:22:25] actually, the Narrow, the neighborhood recognition ordinance
[2:22:28] really came into play, it came out of the civil rights movement,
[2:22:33] and it was the federal government's way of making sure
[2:22:37] that underserved neighborhoods had a voice
[2:22:40] in planning and local government, right?
[2:22:42] And now, even some of the underserved neighborhoods
[2:22:46] don't really have a voice like they should.
[2:22:48] They don't have lawyers who are on their boards,
[2:22:49] and don't have, you know, zoning people who are on their boards.
[2:22:53] So some of what's happened with our neighborhood
[2:22:54] and associations is some of what we talk about,
[2:22:57] Naysayers, is some of the more fluid neighborhoods
[2:23:00] that don't want, like us Starbucks and their neighborhood,
[2:23:02] don't want all these other things.
[2:23:03] I think we, as a body, need to look at that.
[2:23:06] But when you're looking at marginalized communities,
[2:23:11] historic communities, we really, really need to make sure
[2:23:14] that the communities have a voice.
[2:23:16] And I'll just end with that.
[2:23:18] I mean, I don't think there's appetite for a two-week deferral.
[2:23:21] I think everybody wants to vote on this.
[2:23:25] You know, I think it's unfortunate.
[2:23:27] I think that I do understand the process
[2:23:29] to give them both a side-to-side development plan,
[2:23:30] but they'll have already gotten their IRB.
[2:23:33] So I just think it's kind of backwards.
[2:23:35] So Councillor Rogers, thank you, Madam President.
[2:23:39] I just have a question from Mr. Meerhead.
[2:23:41] Are there any, I'm looking through the packet
[2:23:44] because we have to stick to it's in our record.
[2:23:48] Are there any clawbacks in this actual agreement for the RB?
[2:23:52] Usually for my RBs that I've sponsored,
[2:23:54] I've gotten a copy of the actual agreement,
[2:23:58] and I'm just seeing a summary in the packet.
[2:24:00] So are there any clawbacks written in for instance,
[2:24:04] there don't have any president to account for Roger.
[2:24:06] Yes, it is consistent with other RBs,
[2:24:09] is this one that if they fail to live up to the terms
[2:24:11] that they are subject to clawbacks of some of the benefits that have been obtained.
[2:24:17] Can you talk?
[2:24:17] Thank you, Madam President.
[2:24:18] What are the clawbacks?
[2:24:20] So it would depend on where in terms of what your agreements that you and I have worked
[2:24:25] on and talked about are in the lead at context where their employment driven and so you see
[2:24:29] clawbacks based on it.
[2:24:30] They don't hit those employment targets or they don't stay in the community for 10 years
[2:24:34] that they might suffer 50% reduction in 25% reduction.
[2:24:38] In the IRB context, it's a little bit different because they aren't driven by employment.
[2:24:44] They're driven by the other economic development incentive or goals.
[2:24:49] So if there were clawbacks, it would be drafted in a way that if they don't live up to the terms of it within any point during the agreement.
[2:25:00] They could be subject to clawbacks, and that could be negotiating with the company subject to everybody's approval.
[2:25:06] But that absolutely is common that there would be clawbacks if they could have lived up to the terms of the deal.
[2:25:11] And they don't live up to their side at the bargain.
[2:25:14] Thank you, Madam President. I'm just not seeing where they are in our record.
[2:25:18] So there's no clawback from this one, the councillors think.
[2:25:22] For this IRB, I'm getting conflicting answers from the sponsor and then from the news.
[2:25:29] I just want to clarify.
[2:25:31] Yes, so Madam President, Councillor Rogers, yes.
[2:25:33] So there is a standard form of lease agreement that is prepared and is available.
[2:25:39] And then in terms of the clawbacks, then in terms, when we move toward finalizing and closing
[2:25:43] it, we can put those provisions in and again, in the IRB context, it is not as common
[2:25:49] as in the lead, but given the discussion and everything that is happening, certainly would
[2:25:53] be part of the discussion on behalf of the city that that is in there before this closing.
[2:25:57] Yeah.
[2:25:58] I think we're dealing with this right now with the state fair, right, community benefits.
[2:26:04] And so we took an exploration trip to find out cities that have actually successfully done this.
[2:26:09] I'm not proposing we do what the county did here.
[2:26:13] Because I think there's a fine line between making it being business,
[2:26:17] customer service friendly to our business owners and making it extra hard for them as a fine line that I think we're pushing a little bit.
[2:26:25] So I just, I would be interested in what that looked like here, because I think that would make folks more comfortable that, hey, if the developer, if we're giving them this amount of attacks break for this long 20 years.
[2:26:39] That we want to see that there are some things we can do to if they don't meet those that we get our money back.
[2:26:46] And I think we're even dealing with this on some other things in the downtown area.
[2:26:51] So just wanted to just offer that. Thank you, Madam President.
[2:26:57] Seeing no other questions or comments, we're going to go to break after this, but don't
[2:27:01] sir pocket a close.
[2:27:02] Thank you, Madam President, and this is gone all.
[2:27:07] We're going to have to think past midnight again.
[2:27:09] I'm going to vote against that again because we'll make that decisions that have been
[2:27:11] night.
[2:27:14] That's a, I think, you know, there are some serious concerns when you in certain parts of
[2:27:19] our city that matter, you know, this is a historic neighborhood, there is some residential
[2:27:23] there. There's also industrial mixed in there. So it's not cutting
[2:27:28] try the way it is, but both parties man and good faith. They worked a lot. I'm
[2:27:33] disappointed we couldn't put something in written word to satisfy everybody. I
[2:27:38] think that is disappointing. And so that leads us to trust. I mean, I have to
[2:27:43] trust that folks are going to do the right thing. If this was a
[2:27:48] to stay. I'd be like no way. I don't trust anybody. Mr. DePesh though, actually from Albuquerque
[2:27:54] and as multiple businesses here, he's not leaving. And I hopefully, this process, we fix this
[2:28:02] process, the therapy process for sure. And there's some serious concerns in terms of traffic.
[2:28:07] I hope the administration prioritizes the roads that we want to get in there. And the larger
[2:28:12] study that we're going to do to help out because there's a lot going on over there right now.
[2:28:19] So all that said I'm going to trust and I've seen all the work that everyone's put into this
[2:28:24] and so I urge everyone support.
[2:28:29] So there's a motion in the second for a due pass of 030 or 038
[2:28:35] as amended once, all those in favor raise your hand and say yes, opposed no. Motion carries
[2:28:43] on an eight one. Thank you. So we're now going to go to break and we'll return at eight o'clock.
[2:31:14] All right, guys, we're back from dinner, and as you can see, things have changed a little bit.
[2:31:25] So we're back in final instruments, and we are going to be going to, so I'll get my proper paperwork in order, because I feel really cool being in the official seats.
[2:31:39] We are on 052.
[2:31:47] Oh, we're not on 052.
[2:31:52] It's a sign.
[2:31:53] I think
[2:32:15] that's used to separate it, push it out, right now.
[2:32:24] Okay.
[2:32:25] There we go.
[2:32:28] All right, financial instruments.
[2:32:30] Let it be, Councillor Bassong.
[2:32:33] Mr. Vice President, oh 52, approving a project involving its secure and incorporated
[2:32:37] pursuant to the local economic development act in city ordinance.
[2:32:41] F-S-O-410, the city's implementing legislation for that act, and to support the expansion of secure and
[2:32:52] but you pass.
[2:32:53] Motion is a new pass and seconded by
[2:32:56] community the whole Council of Grout.
[2:32:59] Council is any questions?
[2:33:00] Mr. Vice President, I may open.
[2:33:03] Yes, I apologize.
[2:33:04] Mr. Vice President, I know that WD Director Monica Mitchell is here
[2:33:07] and since she's here for her big glory tonight,
[2:33:11] she's going to be busy.
[2:33:12] I'd love for her to go ahead and do her open.
[2:33:17] Thank you, Madam President and city counselors.
[2:33:20] Today I'm proud to present that proposed
[2:33:22] lead a project for secure and rapidly growing Albuquerque Cyber Security Company that protects
[2:33:28] organizations around the world through vulnerability, intelligence, and attacks, surface management.
[2:33:35] Securing is exactly the kind of homegrown company we want to retain, grow, and celebrate.
[2:33:41] Cyber Security is essentially a nearly every modern industry and demands for these skills
[2:33:48] will only continue to grow. This project gives Albuquerque an opportunity to strengthen our
[2:33:53] high value technology sector creating well-paying careers and demonstrate the innovative
[2:33:59] companies can start here, scale here, and compete globally. So Karen has chosen to remain
[2:34:06] and expand an Albuquerque because of our growing technology ecosystem, skilled workforce
[2:34:12] and research institutions and collaborative business environment. The company plans to recruit
[2:34:18] locally through partnerships with New Mexico
[2:34:19] universities, community colleges, workforce,
[2:34:23] organizations, and professional networks helping us
[2:34:26] build a sustainable cybersecurity
[2:34:28] talent pipeline right here in New Mexico.
[2:34:32] The company plans approximately 1 million in
[2:34:35] private investment and relocate to
[2:34:38] approximately 13,000 square facility at 881
[2:34:42] horizon boulevard.
[2:34:43] The proposed city lead-a investment is $100,000,
[2:34:48] alongside $250,000 in state lead-a funds.
[2:34:52] The in return secure and has a binding commitment
[2:34:55] to create 44 new jobs over 10 years.
[2:34:58] Most important.
[2:35:00] Currently, this is a performance-based investment. The fiscal analysis projects that this city will
[2:35:07] recoup its investment within the required tenure period with an estimated 689,000 in net fiscal benefit.
[2:35:15] The project is also expected to generate approximately 62.7 million in economic impact.
[2:35:21] Securing is homegrown, globally competitive, and positioned as an industry critical to our economic
[2:35:30] future.
[2:35:31] This is an opportunity to keep a successful Albuquerque company here, support quality, technology
[2:35:37] careers, and strengthen our local talent pipeline.
[2:35:41] For this reason, staff recommends approval of the Secure and Lead a Project.
[2:35:46] I would now like to invite Frankie or Macio, or Senior Economic Developer to present the staff
[2:35:50] Before you go on to that next part, I understand that whoever put up a sign is trying to express something in the concern being brought, but signs are not allowed within council chambers.
[2:36:02] Would you please take it down? Thank you very much.
[2:36:13] Thank you, Madam President and City Councillors for the opportunity to present this economic development project.
[2:36:20] Project.
[2:36:21] Security incorporated includes approximately $1 million in a private investment for their headquarters
[2:36:28] that were formerly in uptown moving to 8801 Horizon Boulevard.
[2:36:34] The facility is zoned MXM and the proposed use is permitted by that right.
[2:36:41] The utility has been noted as unremarkable.
[2:36:43] In return for this $1,000,000 private investment, the city is contributing $100,000 and the state
[2:36:53] $250.
[2:36:56] The economic impact analysis projects the city's investment is going to will be recovered
[2:37:01] well within the required 10-year period.
[2:37:04] As such, 026-52 is a qualified project as defined by the state's local economic development
[2:37:12] Act and the cities enabling legislation and based on the above findings, staff recommends
[2:37:18] approval of 02652 as proposed in the project plan application.
[2:37:25] I'd now like to introduce Land Romano of Economic Development New Mexico to speak on behalf
[2:37:31] of the state's support.
[2:37:37] Thank you, Madam President, Members of the Council.
[2:37:40] My name is Len Romano, and I'm with New Mexico Economic Development, and I've also owned a business in downtown Albuquerque for close to 30 years.
[2:37:54] We're very pleased to support Securians continue growth here in Albuquerque.
[2:38:00] And Albuquerque is rapidly becoming a hub for industries like aerospace and defense, advanced energy, quantum technology and advanced computing.
[2:38:11] And with that growth, we see more high quality jobs and career opportunities being created
[2:38:16] right here.
[2:38:18] And that's exciting because it wasn't so long ago that many of our young people felt
[2:38:22] they had to leave New Mexico to pursue careers in these fields.
[2:38:28] So, homegrown technology companies like secure in a part of that changing story.
[2:38:32] The state is proud to support secureings expansion with $250,000 in leader funding, alongside
[2:38:43] approximately $1 million of their own private investment and a commitment to create
[2:38:49] 44 new high-quality jobs here in Albuquerque.
[2:38:55] We appreciate secureings continued commitment to our community and we appreciate the city's
[2:39:02] partnership in helping companies like this grow here.
[2:39:06] So on behalf of New Mexico Economic Development,
[2:39:09] I respectfully ask the Council to support
[2:39:12] 0-26-52.
[2:39:16] Thank you, Peter.
[2:39:20] One second, I do apologize for the interruption.
[2:39:21] The person who is behind with the sign,
[2:39:23] I understand what you're trying to do.
[2:39:25] If you took the sign down and I really appreciate that.
[2:39:28] But by you holding it up so that the camera can see it
[2:39:30] is no different than you putting it on the pole.
[2:39:33] So again,
[2:39:33] put the sign away, or I will ask you to leave,
[2:39:38] and the same that goes for the one behind it.
[2:39:45] Sir, I can't see who it is, take the sign down, or I will ask you to leave.
[2:39:53] I'm talking to anybody who has a sign that seems to want to put it up, so that the camera can see it.
[2:39:58] It violates the rules.
[2:40:00] Please, don't, I don't want to have to, but I will. Again, I apologize for the interruptions. Please continue.
[2:40:09] Thank you, Vice President Champine. I love, now I would like to introduce Jennifer Littlefield. She's the chief financial officer for securing incorporated.
[2:40:17] And she can share more about her project and stand for any questions.
[2:40:23] That's really me too, guys.
[2:40:24] That's the city council.
[2:40:25] So I'm the Chief Financial Officer for securing.
[2:40:28] I'd like to also kind of add.
[2:40:29] They did a great job of presenting us.
[2:40:30] I really don't have too much to add.
[2:40:32] But we are going on our five year anniversary in New
[2:40:34] Xcode this week alone.
[2:40:36] So this is a very exciting for us again.
[2:40:38] We've been home grocery.
[2:40:39] This is beginning.
[2:40:40] This is not the first company that the CEO has also opened
[2:40:43] here.
[2:40:43] He opened another cybersecurity company that was around
[2:40:46] for 10 years before they were acquired by another company.
[2:40:49] He decided to start all over again.
[2:40:50] We do love this community very much and we're happy here in New Mexico and in Albuquerque.
[2:40:55] We work really closely with the universities and we have an internship program so we're
[2:40:58] trying to try to build them from the very ground up to ensure that we keep those candidates here.
[2:41:02] So 44 is what we're hiring a full-time but that is not include our intern candidates.
[2:41:06] We have about 18 of those currently and we hope to expand it.
[2:41:10] Thank you. We got to do you have any questions?
[2:41:15] Councillors, do we have any questions?
[2:41:19] Councillor TAYS.
[2:41:21] Thank you.
[2:41:22] President, Vice President.
[2:41:24] President, for now.
[2:41:26] Champagne.
[2:41:27] I just have a question.
[2:41:29] I'm glad that you have interns.
[2:41:31] Are those paid internship positions?
[2:41:32] Yes.
[2:41:33] All of them 100% paid.
[2:41:37] And we have about a 75% conversion rate.
[2:41:39] So there's ones that we have.
[2:41:40] We convert them.
[2:41:40] Let's see.
[2:41:41] Leave us sometimes it's by their choice.
[2:41:45] Perfect.
[2:41:46] Thank you.
[2:41:47] Anything else?
[2:41:52] I
[2:41:56] don't think we have to take, she's not here and nobody's online.
[2:41:59] So all those in favor of 052 raise your hand and say yes.
[2:42:04] Any opposed?
[2:42:06] Seeing none.
[2:42:08] I'm going to see.
[2:42:11] Councilperson.
[2:42:12] Mr. Vice President of 053 approving a project involving quantum quantum new.
[2:42:18] Say that three times fast.
[2:42:21] Sorry.
[2:42:22] Continuum LLC, pursuant to the local economic development act and city ordinance, FSO4,
[2:42:28] 10, the city's implementing legislation for that act to support the acquisition construction
[2:42:32] and improvement of a facility for a quantum computing facility with photo-tonics, photonics,
[2:42:38] and ion-trapping labs to be located in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
[2:42:42] I move a due pass.
[2:42:44] So we have a motion for a new pass on no 53 second by committee of the whole route.
[2:42:51] Councilperson for opening.
[2:42:53] Mr. Vice President, I would like to invite Deputy Director Mitchell up to open.
[2:42:59] Sure. Thank you.
[2:43:02] Thank you, Vice President City Councillors.
[2:43:06] Today, I'm proud to present a continuum, one of the world's leading quantum computing companies,
[2:43:10] and exactly the kind of global significant technology company Albuquerque
[2:43:14] should be competing for.
[2:43:16] Quantum technology is not simply another emerging industry.
[2:43:20] It will help shape the future of computing, national security,
[2:43:24] scientific discovery, and advanced manufacturing.
[2:43:27] This project gives Albuquerque an opportunity to turn new Mexico's world-class
[2:43:31] research strengths into high-wage careers, private investment, and long-term economic growth.
[2:43:37] Continuum shows Albuquerque because very few communities can match the concentration of
[2:43:44] quantum expertise we already have.
[2:43:48] Sandia National Laboratories, Los Alamos National Laboratories, the University of New
[2:43:52] Mexico, CNN, and our growing private sector ecosystem provide access to exceptional research,
[2:43:58] partners, and talent.
[2:44:01] And importantly, this project is also about creating opportunities for Albuquerque residents.
[2:44:05] This continuum is working with Central New Mexico Community College and its quantum technical
[2:44:10] technician bootcamp to build a local workforce pipeline, creating an accessible pathway
[2:44:16] for residents to enter this emerging industry and pursue high-paying careers.
[2:44:22] The economic investment is significant, continuum pays, plans to invest approximately 32.5 million
[2:44:30] and establish a 13,263-square-foot research and development center at 5501 Wilshire
[2:44:38] Avenue, Northeast.
[2:44:40] The project is expected to create 25 new high-wage jobs with a salary and with a salary
[2:44:49] spend of approximately 4 million in the first three years alone and generate approximately
[2:44:54] the 80, 6.4 million in economic impact over 10 year period.
[2:45:00] The proposed lead a package is 1.5 million split evenly between the city and the state, leveraging more than 32 million in private investment.
[2:45:08] The city's independent fiscal analysis projects approximately 480,000 net benefit and 1 million estimated city payback within the required 10 year period.
[2:45:21] The project brings global credibility to our quantum ecosystem creates exceptional career opportunities
[2:45:30] and converts our research strengths into private sector growth.
[2:45:34] It gives Albuquerque the opportunity to help define the future of an industry in which
[2:45:38] New Mexico already has a genuine competitive advantage.
[2:45:43] For these reasons, staff recommends approval of the Continuum Lead Up Project.
[2:45:47] I would now like to invite Frankie and Maseo Senior Economic Developer to present the
[2:45:51] deaf analysis.
[2:45:53] Thank you.
[2:45:57] Hello again, Vice President Champagne and City Counselors.
[2:46:00] Thank you.
[2:46:01] Quantinium is proposing to establish a 13,000 square foot research and development center.
[2:46:09] It will be located at 55-01, Wilshire Avenue, Northeast.
[2:46:13] The facility is owned non-residential, light manufacturing, and the proposed research and development
[2:46:20] use is permitted under the current zoning, and based upon a July 20, 20, 20, 26, email with ABC,
[2:46:29] the Water Authority, it was determined that the water requirement for their facility will be unremarkable
[2:46:35] for its use. This project represents approximately 32-line and private investment. The economic
[2:46:43] impact analysis in your packet, identify as approximately 2.3.24 million in total estimated
[2:46:51] incentives, because it incorporates a broader incentive assumption associated with
[2:46:56] continuums discussions with the state of New Mexico.
[2:47:00] The city's action under this ordinance is limited to the 1.5 million package for
[2:47:06] data and the commitments established under the Project Participation Agreement.
[2:47:12] In return, Continuum will create 25 new high-wage full-time jobs, which the company anticipates
[2:47:20] currently creating by 2028.
[2:47:23] The Project Participation Agreement establishes a date of December 31st, 2036 as the final
[2:47:30] determination date, because Lita permits a performance period for up to 10 years.
[2:47:35] That contractual deadline does not replace the company's projected hiring schedule.
[2:47:42] It establishes only the enforceable period for the monitoring compliance and applying
[2:47:47] performance remedies.
[2:47:49] If necessary, the economic impact analysis also estimates 36 indirect and induced jobs and approximately
[2:47:58] 100 construction jobs during the project's development.
[2:48:03] The economic impact also projects 86.4 million in total economic impact over 10 years.
[2:48:12] And the city's investment will be recooked well within the required 10-year lead evaluation period.
[2:48:20] O2653 is a qualified project as defined by the State Local Economic Development Act,
[2:48:26] And the city is in every legislation, and based upon the above findings, the staff recommends approval of 026-53.
[2:48:36] At this time, I would now like to introduce Beth Waldrip of Economic Development New Mexico to speak on behalf of the State's incentive.
[2:48:45] getting the Madam Chair and Counselors.
[2:48:49] I am Beth Walgaret.
[2:48:50] I am one of two regional representatives representing
[2:48:53] Burnley-Avelins in Tornst County,
[2:48:55] and the Greater Albuquerque Metro Area.
[2:48:58] Quantum Union is an internationally known
[2:49:01] Quantum Computing Company.
[2:49:03] They're choosing Albuquerque to set up their R&D facility,
[2:49:08] solidifies our presence as an international leader
[2:49:13] and photonics and quantum computing.
[2:49:16] This is a very high importance to the state economic development department.
[2:49:22] They're creating 25 jobs all over $100,000 in salary with an average salary of $155,000.
[2:49:32] The state's pledging $500,000 in Lita.
[2:49:35] And we respectfully request your support of this ordinance.
[2:49:40] So you can be the fiscal agent for that.
[2:49:42] Thank you.
[2:49:46] Thank you.
[2:49:47] Vice President Shem,
[2:49:48] Hi,
[2:49:48] and I'd like to introduce Denise
[2:49:51] HomeQuist.
[2:49:52] She's Continuum,
[2:49:53] CFO,
[2:49:54] and she can share more about the company
[2:49:55] and their investment in Africa.
[2:50:02] Good evening, Vice Chair and good evening, council members. Thank you so much for having us here tonight. And on behalf of Quantanyu, I would first like to thank you, the City of Albuquerque and the State of New Mexico for really investing in quantum.
[2:50:17] Quantanyu is very excited to be here tonight to be considered for a leader proposal, a leader grant. And thank you for having me to speak.
[2:50:25] We were the first full staff quantum company that decided to plant our flag here in New Mexico.
[2:50:30] And we really did that because Albuquerque checks all the boxes.
[2:50:35] Albuquerque has a commitment, and the state has a commitment to quantum technologies.
[2:50:39] Certainly there are technological resources here, spearheaded by C&DA and Los Alamos National Labs.
[2:50:45] And there's also a very strong academic and workforce development strategy.
[2:50:50] And we can benefit from all of those.
[2:50:52] And we hope to help build that ecosystem.
[2:50:54] One great example of workforce opportunities that we've recently had is the first cohort of the
[2:51:01] Quantan Boot at CNN. We brought an intern in this last summer, and we have converted that
[2:51:07] employee to full-time employment now. And so we really do appreciate the academic resources that
[2:51:12] are found here in New Mexico. As mentioned, we do plan to invest over $32 million in capital and
[2:51:19] over 25 high paid jobs and that are well above the average that we see in the region.
[2:51:27] We are building our research and development labs here, focus on integrated
[2:51:30] photonics, and that will fuel our next generation quantum computers.
[2:51:36] We have lease of facility here in Albuquerque and we plan to use these funds to help
[2:51:40] us construct and improve the lab and our business operations here.
[2:51:45] We do expect this project where we really help us deepen our relationships across the ecosystem
[2:51:50] that you've built here in the city of Albuquerque and the state of New Mexico, and I respectfully
[2:51:55] ask for your support.
[2:52:02] Thank you very much, guys.
[2:52:03] Our council is in any questions, comments, concerns,
[2:52:09] all right, I'm seeing none that I'm
[2:52:10] quick.
[2:52:12] Councillor Baca.
[2:52:16] Yes.
[2:52:16] Councillor Baca.
[2:52:17] Yes.
[2:52:18] Vice President Champagne?
[2:52:20] Yes.
[2:52:21] Councillor People Point.
[2:52:22] Councillor Rodgers?
[2:52:23] Yes.
[2:52:24] Councillor Lewis?
[2:52:25] Yes.
[2:52:26] Councillor Rodgers?
[2:52:27] Yes.
[2:52:28] Councillor Tays?
[2:52:30] President Pena?
[2:52:32] Yes.
[2:52:33] Thank you.
[2:52:34] Passes unanimously.
[2:52:36] Thank you.
[2:52:36] Move on to D. O56.
[2:52:40] Councillor Rodgers.
[2:52:45] Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[2:52:48] O56 is approving a project involving black view ink pursuant of the Local Economic Development Act.
[2:52:55] and City Ordnance FS004-10, the city's implementing legislation for that act to support the acquisition,
[2:53:04] construction, and improvement of a 55,000 square foot satellite design manufacturing and operations facility.
[2:53:12] At the MaxQ Campus adjacent to Kurt Winner for Space and Albuquerque, New Mexico, I move a due pass.
[2:53:19] It's a motion for a due passing a second by a committee of the whole ground.
[2:53:24] Council Rogers opened.
[2:53:27] Thank you, Madam President. I'll turn it over to Deputy Director Mitchell.
[2:53:35] Thank you, Vice President and City Counselors. This is the last one. So appreciate your time.
[2:53:41] I would like to briefly explain why the city staff believes BlackV is such an important project for Albuquerque.
[2:53:47] BlackBee aligns directly with the city strategy to grow our aerospace, advanced manufacturing and
[2:53:54] national security industries. The company will create high-paying careers. We'll strengthen
[2:53:59] in one of Albuquerque's significant industries, industry clusters. BlackBee selected Albuquerque
[2:54:06] because we have a mutually strong space and defense ecosystem. Curtain Air Force Base,
[2:54:13] the National Laboratories and Air Force Research Laboratories, Space Force missions UNM, CNM, and the
[2:54:20] MaxQ Campus give the company access to talent, research partners, customers, and room to grow.
[2:54:28] This project allows BlackBee to build on those assets will helping us retain and develop more
[2:54:34] of our own technical workforce. The economic impact is significant. BlackBee plans to invest
[2:54:41] up to $22.3 million in an existing facility on the max Q campus and create 152 new jobs over
[2:54:50] ten years with an average salary of approximately $142,000 during the first three years.
[2:54:58] The project is expected to generate a profit.
[2:55:00] Amendment 228.4 million in economic impact over 10 years. The proposed leader package is 1.25 million, including 250,000 from the city and 1 million from the state.
[2:55:14] Our independent economic analysis estimates the city will net fiscal benefit of approximately 1.98 million, with the city's investment expected to be recovered in three years.
[2:55:27] This is also a project with strong performance results and requirements, the agreement establishes a commitment of 152 new jobs with the first 40 positions tied to 100% clawback provision.
[2:55:43] City staff will also work with CNM UNM APS and the Academies and other workforce partners to connect local students and graduates with these opportunities.
[2:55:54] BlackBee's strengthens our aerospace ecosystem, creates outstanding careers, leverages assets
[2:56:00] that we have spent years developing, and represents a strong performance-based public
[2:56:05] private partnership.
[2:56:10] For these reasons, staff recommends approval of the BlackBee lead-up project.
[2:56:15] With that, I will turn it over to Frankie Armassillo, our senior economic developer, to walk
[2:56:19] through the project details.
[2:56:21] Thank you.
[2:56:25] Thank you again, Vice President Shampine and City Councilors.
[2:56:30] Black V as Deputy Director Mitchell said is an advanced satellite manufacturing
[2:56:36] serving U.S. national security needs. The companies are requesting $250,000 from the
[2:56:42] City of Albuquerque to complement the $1 million in the state of New Mexico incentives.
[2:56:49] BlackV is proposing to expand into an ex-already existing 50,000 square foot light manufacturing facility,
[2:56:59] which is located at 4,000 Ranger Road Southeast.
[2:57:02] The project represents a commitment to 152 new jobs.
[2:57:08] The project participation agreement uses an existing algal curkey and new Mexico employment baseline of 24 employees
[2:57:16] establishes a final employment target of 176 employees. The 152 job commitment is the difference
[2:57:25] between those figures. The separate figure of 52 full-time employees represents black fees total
[2:57:33] company wide workforce across New Mexico and Virginia. The remaining 28 employees are located in
[2:57:41] Virginia and are not included in the Albuquerque baseline.
[2:57:47] The project will occupy an existing industrial facility and requires no zoning change
[2:57:53] and is expected to have a negligible or otherwise unremarkable utility usage.
[2:58:03] The first 40 new positions are especially important because they are tied to a 100% claw
[2:58:08] back provision.
[2:58:10] For incentive compliance purposes, these must be qualifying project jobs based in Albuquerque
[2:58:16] and filled by employees who reside in New Mexico.
[2:58:20] Remote employees residing outside of New Mexico do not count towards the commitment.
[2:58:26] I'd like to bring now Beth Lawdrip from the Economic Development Department of New
[2:58:31] Mexico on their contributions for this project.
[2:58:38] Thank you, Mr. Vice-freshing Council.
[2:58:42] The state is firmly committed to supporting this company with $1 million in state lead
[2:58:47] of funds, $452 jobs and an average salary of $145,565, now for stock options to their
[2:58:56] employees, 5% matching 401k and excellent health benefits, and the state strongly urges
[2:59:04] your support.
[2:59:05] Thank you.
[2:59:07] Thank you, Vice President and City Councilors.
[2:59:11] I'd now like to introduce you to Dr. Peter Wagner, the CEO of BlackV, to share more
[2:59:17] about their company and their investment to Albuquerque.
[2:59:24] Good evening, Mr. Vice President and Councillors.
[2:59:27] Thank you for having me here this evening and thank you for the support of my company.
[2:59:33] We started the company two and a half years ago at the CNM Workforce Training Center and
[2:59:39] We've been embedded there, growing very, very rapidly, and in fact, growing out of the space.
[2:59:46] And so that's why we really need to expand, and we were lucky enough to find an existing
[2:59:50] facility that meets our needs right near Curtin and Air Force Base, where many of our customers
[2:59:56] and partners at San Diego National Labs.
[3:00:00] And organizations on Curtland Air Force Base reside. Albuquerque is a great place to grow a space company.
[3:00:08] I first moved to Albuquerque in 1995 and started working at the Air Force Research Laboratory.
[3:00:14] And I had a dream back then that, you know, to start a space company here where you could build and design satellites and operate them here.
[3:00:21] I ended up moving away and started three other companies in Seattle and other places around the country.
[3:00:27] But three years ago, when we looked at starting a new company, we looked around the country and decided Albuquerque was a place.
[3:00:34] So I'm really excited to be back, really thrilled to grow the team.
[3:00:40] I've got a wonderful team here locally that we've been able to hire from organizations that, you know,
[3:00:47] from New Mexico, students from New Mexico, New Mexico Tech, UNM, New Mexico State.
[3:00:53] So, really excited for the next chapter in the company and appreciate your support tonight.
[3:01:00] Thank you very much.
[3:01:01] I appreciate it.
[3:01:03] Councils, any questions?
[3:01:06] Seems caught in dry.
[3:01:08] All right.
[3:01:08] Madam Clerk.
[3:01:10] Councillor Baca.
[3:01:11] Hold on a second, Madam Clerk.
[3:01:12] Yes.
[3:01:13] You may close.
[3:01:14] Thank you, Madam President.
[3:01:16] I'm sorry.
[3:01:17] That's a habit.
[3:01:17] I didn't want you close.
[3:01:19] Mr. Vice President.
[3:01:22] I just wanted to, and I don't want to belabor it,
[3:01:24] But I just want to talk about the clawbacks, as I know we mentioned it a little bit and I'm
[3:01:28] very grateful to the department who already knows what I want to see in these and didn't
[3:01:34] even have to ask.
[3:01:35] It was already included.
[3:01:36] Some of the clawbacks are around the employees that targeted that they have to hire before
[3:01:42] December 31st, 2027 as early as 2027.
[3:01:48] If the employment falls below 36, which is the cap for the first period of time is 36,
[3:01:53] Then they may be required to pay, repay up to 100% of the applicable public funding after an 180-day
[3:02:02] period, which is really important.
[3:02:04] If they don't get to the 176 employees by December 3rd, 2036, then there's another trigger for
[3:02:11] clawbacks there as well.
[3:02:13] And so I just am grateful that that's what I'd like to see and that's why I love working with
[3:02:18] department online because we make sure those those things are already built in in good
[3:02:24] face that the they're already homegrown company they've been here they're pouring back
[3:02:28] into our community even then we still need these assurances if we're using public dollars
[3:02:34] and so thank you to the department thank you to see them and the community because we want
[3:02:40] these things here just in a responsible way if this something happens and it doesn't we don't
[3:02:46] out of all of our control sometimes, that the public's money is still secured and we can get it back
[3:02:52] and I think that's the point. So I will urge your support.
[3:02:58] Thank you, Councillor Rogers.
[3:02:59] Madam Clerk. Councillor Baca. Yes. Councillor Pissong. Yes.
[3:03:05] Nice President Shemheim. Yes. Councillor Peeblecorn? Yes. Councillor Grail. Yes. Councillor Lewis. Yes.
[3:03:12] Councillor Rodgers.
[3:03:14] Councillor Tays?
[3:03:15] Yes.
[3:03:16] President Pena.
[3:03:19] Yes.
[3:03:20] Passes unanimously.
[3:03:22] Thank you.
[3:03:22] We'll move on to appeals now.
[3:03:24] AC-07, the Yale Village, Neighborhood Association, and D. Love's Restaurant, LLC.
[3:03:30] Appeals the zoning hearing examiner's decision to approve a conditional use for an overnight
[3:03:36] shelter for the property located at 2300 Yale Boulevard, Southeast.
[3:03:41] Mr. Hall.
[3:03:49] Thank you Vice President Shempain, Councillors.
[3:03:51] This is an appeal for the appeal of the Azizah's decision to approve a conditional
[3:04:00] use permit with 19 additional conditions.
[3:04:04] This property is located in the like the title says at 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
[3:04:15] airport that helps orient anyone.
[3:04:19] The conditional use permit would permit this property
[3:04:24] used as an overnight shelter. The applicant in this case erroneously believed that at
[3:04:34] the time they began operations in November 2025 that a permit was not needed predicated on
[3:04:40] incorrect advice from my known city staff. Nevertheless, the application came before the city
[3:04:47] in December 2025 and then produced their actress three hearings in front of the ZHE. At the first
[3:04:57] hearing for the ZHE, there were some questions written.
[3:05:00] On the basis of some of the impacts that we're going to be faced by the neighborhood surrounding area due to the proposed grant of the conditional use permit.
[3:05:11] Notably, it was whether the proposed conditional use would create significant adverse impacts on adjacent properties, starting neighborhood and our logic community.
[3:05:19] That phrase will come up often because it's one of the required elements of the shallow grant scheme in a conditional use permitting scheme.
[3:05:29] On that basis, the ZIG order continues to get some clarification on those questions.
[3:05:34] They continue the ZIG continue that hearing to February 17th, 2025.
[3:05:39] The February 17th, 2025, the ZIG held a second public hearing.
[3:05:43] And while some answers, some questions were answered, the ZHE still felt that there was an outstanding question regarding the adverse impacts on the surrounding adjacent properties trying to neighborhood larger community.
[3:05:58] And what efforts could be taken to mitigate those impacts with additional conditions while the parties during that hearing appear to agree that there need to be some kind of conditions that would be adjusted or changed or added.
[3:06:12] neither party to the ZHE's estimation believed that they had the 80 kinds that they wanted
[3:06:20] to offer. So the ZHE continued to hearing to the April 21st hearing and the interim directed
[3:06:27] his staff to consult different applicable suit departments and commenting agencies including
[3:06:32] but unlimited to go enforcement. Family and community services department, Albuquerque Community
[3:06:39] safety, Harvard Health Housing and Homelessness,
[3:06:41] Albuquerque Police Department, and Albuquerque Farmer Rescue.
[3:06:46] So we're coming to the third CHE hearing.
[3:06:48] And at the third CHE hearing, the CHE took comments
[3:06:53] from, or at least took suggestions from,
[3:06:55] the three commenting agents that responded.
[3:06:58] KPDs, AFRs abandoned and dilapidated
[3:07:00] payment property, also known as Adapt and Code Enforcement.
[3:07:04] Following those comments, the CHE constructed
[3:07:08] 19 additional conditions, including several sub-parts for some of the conditions, that he
[3:07:15] then added to the conditional use permit. With those Nike conditions, these EHU approved the
[3:07:22] application for the conditional use of an overnight shelter at this property location.
[3:07:28] On appeal, there are two appellants, the Appellants at Yale Village and the
[3:07:31] Association and D-Luds restaurants LLC doing businesses a waffle house.
[3:07:36] They generally challenged on the basis of failure to show sufficient evidence to support
[3:07:42] the ZHE's decision, arbitrary and capricious decision-making and that resulted in that
[3:07:48] more in the approval of the conditional use permit and that the ZHE misapplied the idea.
[3:07:56] July 30th, we hold held a quasi-judicial appeal hearing in which the applicant and the
[3:08:01] appellant appeared and provided testimony.
[3:08:06] So as a threshold finding, the threshold issue, Lujo recommended that the council find
[3:08:14] that the Yale Village Neighborhood Association does not have standing.
[3:08:19] The reason for that being is that under the idea, a neighborhood association must provide
[3:08:24] a submit a petition of majority of all property members,
[3:08:27] property owners are tensed in 600 feet of an application
[3:08:29] and includes an inclusive rights of way.
[3:08:33] The yellow village neighbor association failed
[3:08:35] to present this petition, and on that basis,
[3:08:37] the Lujo found that they should be dismissed
[3:08:39] from this matter for life of standing.
[3:08:42] That does not apply to appellant de-loves.
[3:08:46] They are the law of the House directly adjacent
[3:08:48] to this property, and so their standing remains unchanged.
[3:08:54] to the merits of this matter.
[3:08:57] The Lujo found that the ZHU's decision should be partially denied, partially granted.
[3:09:06] In looking at what is partially denied, at least the appeals should be partially denied.
[3:09:11] That's why I mean to say.
[3:09:13] The Lujo found that the ZHU's decision should be partially denied, partially granted, gosh.
[3:09:17] The Lujo concluded that the apparent deal of appeals, seeking reversal of the decision, did not meet the standards for reversing.
[3:09:29] Specifically, the Lujo hinged on the conditions that were attached by the ZAT-19 conditions.
[3:09:37] And found that not only do they apply the IDEO correctly, and they've actually added that only they provide substantial evidence.
[3:09:45] but they also show that they were carefully and considered based on the expert testimony
[3:09:51] so to speak.
[3:09:52] The expert submissions by the commenting agencies.
[3:09:56] I emphasize that when these are-
[3:10:00] The types of conditions that are not merely speculative, but, or, quote, specifically designed, is a sufficiently
[3:10:06] mitigated adverse offsite and on-site impacts linked to the overnight shelter use.
[3:10:11] So, on that basis, including the additional 19 conditions with subparts, the Lujo found that the
[3:10:17] CHC decision was neither an arbitration or capricious, was not an error implying that I go and I was
[3:10:22] supported by substantial elements. However, this is where we get to the partially grant
[3:10:27] the appeal. The ZHE decision, the Lujo felt the ZHE decision should be partially granted
[3:10:34] only to the extent that some timelines for conditions should be cut to a shorter time friend
[3:10:42] what's normally allowed under a conditional use scheme. An occasional use scheme, it's a year
[3:10:48] standard to meet those additional conditions.
[3:10:51] The Lujo felt that because there are adverse impacts being felt to and testified to by the
[3:10:58] pellets and by surrounding businesses and those representatives of members of the, you know,
[3:11:03] providing neighborhoods, that the some conditions needed to be addressed sooner, not within
[3:11:11] a year time.
[3:11:12] The LOOHO proposed that four different requirements be met within 60 days and that four different requirements be met within 90 days of the Council's final decision.
[3:11:22] Those conditions that were met within 60 days are requiring adequate lighting, requiring natural surveillance and crude lines of sight on the property,
[3:11:32] requiring installation of exterior lighting and requiring on-site security response and oversight procedures to be implemented for level 2 security.
[3:11:40] Within 90 days, the Lujo recommended that the applicant be required to ensure adequate locking
[3:11:47] devices on exterior doors, limit and clearly delineate access to the property, install
[3:11:52] no trust passing signs directly visible upon entering the property, and implement and
[3:11:56] control access practices to the facility.
[3:12:00] The remaining additional 19 conditions, minus 8, so 11 conditions would be implemented no
[3:12:06] later than May 5, 20, 27.
[3:12:08] So, on that whole summation, the Luhore recommends that the City Council partially deny and partially grant the appeal.
[3:12:16] It would be a partial deny of the appeal as to overturning the entirety of the ZAT's findings,
[3:12:23] but it would be partially grant in adjusting the timeframes for eight different conditions.
[3:12:31] I stand for questioning.
[3:12:33] Councillor, do you have any questions from Mr. Hall?
[3:12:38] Councillor Teyes.
[3:12:39] Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[3:12:41] Mr. Hall, on the 60 days, those are items A, B, in the in the.
[3:12:51] Yes.
[3:12:52] Vice President and Councillor Teyes, that would be 25, A, 25, B, 25, Q, and 25, P, as reflected in
[3:13:01] in the ZHE's order of April 21st.
[3:13:07] I believe if you look in the appeal packet,
[3:13:10] that would be Hage, 16 and 17.
[3:13:17] Thank you, Mr. All, Mr. Vice President.
[3:13:20] And for the 90 days, I see it's items FG
[3:13:24] and what were the other two?
[3:13:26] F, I, M, and N.
[3:13:28] and so not G. I thought it was G2.
[3:13:39] Thank you, Mr. Vice-Person. One more question.
[3:13:43] What are we going to do if the spotty accepts that recommendation?
[3:13:50] How can we ensure oversight and accountability on those 30, 90, and 365?
[3:13:58] So Vice President Champagne, Councillor Tays, that would be the responsibility of code enforcement
[3:14:02] to make sure that they're meeting those obligations and that they're following up.
[3:14:07] And we think that, you know, because of the prolonged period and the contentious nature
[3:14:11] of this matter, there's likely going to be pretty serious oversight of making sure those
[3:14:15] conditions are met.
[3:14:16] In fact, the Lou Hogue noted in 5th and 5th and 5th and 5th and 15th that the applicant should
[3:14:20] be advised that, quote, if any conditions are not met within this time, the approval is
[3:14:24] of the voice setting, IDO section 640.
[3:14:28] Thank you, Mr. Hall, and Mr. Vice President,
[3:14:30] one more question for our planning director
[3:14:33] or whose here on behalf of codes.
[3:14:47] Mr. Vice President, thank you, director.
[3:14:50] Have you reviewed these recommendations
[3:14:53] from the Louvre for the 1690 and the 19 recommendations
[3:14:57] of the work that needs to be done?
[3:14:59] Yeah.
[3:15:00] And a council president and councillor, no, I have not. We're waiting to determine what city council does with this, but no, I have not personally gotten involved with this particular case.
[3:15:12] Thank you, Director. Are you able to just kind of do a quick review and just let us know based off of your capacity and codes if you think you can meet those particular.
[3:15:23] Councillor TAYS.
[3:15:25] Thanks, President.
[3:15:26] Thank you.
[3:15:27] Thank you.
[3:15:27] Councillor TAYS.
[3:15:28] I apologize for jumping in.
[3:15:29] Thank you.
[3:15:30] Thank you.
[3:15:31] The purpose of this accept or reject proceeding at this time is on a closed record, so I would
[3:15:38] not recommend that this body take it outside information that's outside the record.
[3:15:43] Thank you.
[3:15:44] Thank you.
[3:15:45] Mr. Baysford.
[3:15:46] Councillor Rogers.
[3:15:47] Thank you, Mr. Baysford.
[3:15:48] I'd like to move to reject the Lujo recommendation and schedule a full hearing at the next
[3:15:52] council meeting?
[3:15:57] All right, there's a motion to not accept, correct?
[3:16:02] To reject it? Yes, I'm going to make sure it's recommendation. Okay.
[3:16:09] Let me have a second by committee of the whole grant.
[3:16:13] Councillors, there are any discussion on the regention? On the motion.
[3:16:19] Council Lewis?
[3:16:21] I don't know. Okay.
[3:16:24] All right. That being said.
[3:16:25] Councillor Baca.
[3:16:28] Councillor Bazaar?
[3:16:29] No.
[3:16:30] Vice President Shampai.
[3:16:32] Yes.
[3:16:34] Councillor Peoplehorn.
[3:16:37] Yes.
[3:16:38] Councillor Grow.
[3:16:39] Yes.
[3:16:40] Councillor Lewis.
[3:16:41] Yes.
[3:16:41] Councillor Rogers.
[3:16:42] Yes.
[3:16:43] Councillor Tays.
[3:16:45] President Pena.
[3:16:50] It passes on a seven-way boat.
[3:16:59] We will move on to general public comments.
[3:17:05] Members of the public can provide live public comments to the Council in person.
[3:17:08] or virtually if they have signed up for public comment,
[3:17:11] further instructions published on the agenda and our website that's Friday.
[3:17:16] As a reminder, pursuant to our rules and procedures, article 1, section 8,
[3:17:20] general public comment shall not be permitted on quasi-judicial matters.
[3:17:25] Please do not include in your comment anything related to any quasi-judicial matters,
[3:17:31] including proposed site plans, zoning map amendments, or the Luhull appeal we just heard.
[3:17:37] Failure to comply with this rule, may result in your comment being cut off.
[3:17:42] Please take this time to edit your comments.
[3:17:45] Here are the public ground rules.
[3:17:47] For tonight, each participant has one minute to present.
[3:17:50] Comments will be addressed to the counselors only through the council vice president.
[3:17:56] Any disruption, any disruptive conduct will result in removal from the meeting.
[3:18:01] Again, there is a one minute time limit and the indicator your bell will ring.
[3:18:06] So Mr. Cornelius, thank you Mr. Vice President, our first speaker is Tad Nieminski,
[3:18:12] followed by Dr. Lisa, Kristofferson.
[3:18:30] Excuse me, just a second,
[3:18:43] would you give me your overhead?
[3:18:56] Thank you.
[3:18:58] That's all we're looking right here. My name is Tad Nieminski.
[3:19:03] And what we look right now, here, in the consent agenda, 5, almost 5%, new taxes.
[3:19:17] Let's go now to the real issue, economic and neighborhood redevelopment.
[3:19:24] Anybody can remember, or you should be a winner and so on, you're just back, while everything
[3:19:33] went down here, nothing deserted, on the 50s, look at now, how beautiful up down a vibrant,
[3:19:44] for every tick, restaurants, hotels, all offices, every tick, even in corroborated with
[3:19:56] Now, compare to here, down, down, down.
[3:20:00] One, Mr. Chavez, on the front of his building,
[3:20:09] the property city posting, parking lot meters. What kind of, how would you like a neighbor like he has, thank you.
[3:20:22] Dr. Lisa Christopherson, followed by Maryland, Moquino.
[3:20:30] Good evening, Vice President Champagne City Counselors.
[3:20:34] My name is Lisa Krasofferson.
[3:20:36] I speak to you today about three matters.
[3:20:39] First of all, I am super excited about democracy
[3:20:41] and how in Albuquerque, we are able to tackle things together.
[3:20:47] Even when we're this far apart, and we work it out.
[3:20:50] So I'm very excited and you all are part of that, allowing us.
[3:20:54] I mean, I know it's constitutional, but the public comment
[3:20:57] getting to interact with you all, we're solving things.
[3:20:59] So, my two things now, the moratorium on the sweeps, having to have a special court for civil
[3:21:05] citations for trespassing, loitering, blocking sidewalks, hindering passage, all of the versions
[3:21:11] of that, I would ask for us to consider the task force, the working with businesses, to
[3:21:19] try and have alternatives.
[3:21:21] If we might have an avenue where we might offer some alternative solutions to the constant
[3:21:26] incarceration.
[3:21:27] And the second thing is for the mayor, a abundance policy, I don't know what that is that he was talking about.
[3:21:34] I would love an explanation because it really sounds like a left-in meat cake.
[3:21:41] Maryland, Mochino, followed by Adonica, Graven, Good.
[3:21:50] Happy Monday Vice President and Counselors.
[3:21:55] My name is Maryland, Mochino, and I'm a third generation vendor with the permit in the Old Town Portown Market Program.
[3:22:02] where I have held a permit for over 50 years, and I am here today to request your immediate help to move benders back to our original front spaces at 206 San Felipe Street Northwest in the Old Town Plaza.
[3:22:21] Following the recent ruling by the Lambrates Commission on August 12, 2026, the Lambrates Commission voted by the Lambrates Commission.
[3:22:32] Okay, you're you're commenting on something that couldn't come in front of this council as a quasi-digital issue
[3:22:37] And we can't hear that during public comment
[3:22:40] Okay, because this is that that ruling could come in front of us and then it presents an issue for us in order to rule on it
[3:22:47] Is that an you didn't make sense?
[3:22:49] Yes, I am okay
[3:22:53] So so can I continue
[3:22:56] not if it's gonna be
[3:22:58] commenting about a possible issue coming before this council.
[3:23:03] If it's an opinion, just that you need to return things, or we'd like to see things back,
[3:23:08] but you can't make comments that go specifically to the appeal or to the issue at hand.
[3:23:16] Well, I'm just requesting that we have been moved with our spaces.
[3:23:21] We have been moved to the south side where the private property is, and we're under an ordinance
[3:23:26] on that too. It was exactly the history that we are required to be on the west side under
[3:23:33] a public right away under an ordinance. So we're just asking to move back to the front where
[3:23:40] we're supposed to be. Okay. Thank you, man. Thank you.
[3:23:43] Thank you.
[3:23:44] Thank you, Mr. President. Doctor Single, can you? I know that that is a violation of the
[3:23:49] city-existing ordinance. Can you work with Ms. Moquino to get folks back to where they need
[3:23:53] until everything gets resolved.
[3:23:58] Mr. Garrett.
[3:24:00] Thank you.
[3:24:01] Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[3:24:02] Our next speaker is Adonica Graven Gid, followed by Joseph Leicon.
[3:24:07] Hello, Vice President Champagne and City Councilors.
[3:24:11] Thank you for the opportunity.
[3:24:12] I'm the last speaker's daughter.
[3:24:14] My name is Adonica Graven Gid.
[3:24:16] I'm also a fourth generation vendor with the permitted null term.
[3:24:20] Where I've held the permit for 23 years.
[3:24:22] I'm here today.
[3:24:23] For the same purposes, my mom to request assistance to move our vendor spaces back to the original front spaces at 206.
[3:24:30] I'm fully pissed off, no questions, excuse me.
[3:24:33] The building owner may not have proved changes with this building replacing the old windows, and that's what prompted the spaces being moved.
[3:24:40] The city departments have a lot of ongoing violations of the city ordinance, subsection 13321, section A.
[3:24:48] Since former arts and culture services director Dr. Sanchez succeeded her authority by moving six bases to a private property on the south side in April 2026
[3:25:01] I'm just asking you for any help that you could possibly provide for us to get us back up from, where the ordinance protects us.
[3:25:09] Thank you.
[3:25:12] Joseph Leica, followed by our let's, Otto.
[3:25:24] Let's, Otto, followed by a brick, jealousy.
[3:25:33] Vice President, council members,
[3:25:37] I don't know what a citizen's supposed to do. You seem very concerned about your ordinances and that they're followed to the letter.
[3:25:48] And if somebody doesn't do that, you'll haul them off to jail.
[3:25:53] Right?
[3:25:54] We can all agree upon that.
[3:25:55] Don't wait.
[3:25:56] We do.
[3:25:57] Because you, you're jail's a full of people.
[3:26:00] But Lord forbid somebody with intelligence tries to tell you that your police officers
[3:26:08] are currently in violation of New Mexico's Constitution, which I think would have a
[3:26:15] bit more sway than a simple city ordinance. So if you all got a pen and paper you might want
[3:26:22] to write down Article 20 section one of the New Mexico Constitution. And if I'm wrong you tell me
[3:26:31] about it, Mr. Clerk, because I've approached you and you blew me off and told me to go to the city
[3:26:36] attorney. Well guess what? You're the city attorney.
[3:26:43] Brick Jonesy followed by Gray Stooks.
[3:26:47] Get the overhead, please
[3:26:56] see that's okay.
[3:26:59] A, you can see it, good enough, okay.
[3:27:03] We've all heard the saying, this is your brain on drugs, but this is your brain on flock.
[3:27:09] That's your whole country on flock, or whatever surveillance state that the country is produced.
[3:27:16] That's the state.
[3:27:17] It's not so bad out here in Mexico, but it's still there, right?
[3:27:21] There's your city, right? All them flock cameras. Oh look, we can actually detail all of that surveillance, right?
[3:27:29] Oh look at that, downtown. That's your surveillance. Just pointing it out because like, you know, obviously you guys,
[3:27:38] I'm really going to watch us. But when I pull out the camera, I got a camera right here too.
[3:27:45] This is my own personal camera right but I'm a citizen. People expect the citizens to be able to
[3:27:53] press.
[3:27:55] Because that's our first amendment.
[3:27:57] But I don't really be
[3:28:00] I don't really expect to like walk out on the sidewalk and have you guys watching the other where I go.
[3:28:05] Just saying that's your uh, that's your city on flat.
[3:28:11] Grace Duke's followed by Anami Dawson.
[3:28:14] Good evening. Yes today. I was out knocking doors. This is my different Abbey Foster
[3:28:19] in Councillor Besan's district that she likely already knows and the thing I took away from it
[3:28:24] is that money isn't in the right places. We are skipping meals and living out of our cars
[3:28:30] because we can't afford to live and you don't help us instead you try and raise the GRT.
[3:28:36] Our city's financial stability can't come at the cost of ignoring the fact that our federal
[3:28:40] government is being decimated and we are not picking up the slack. And you knew GRT revenue must
[3:28:46] go to our safety net, which we don't do because we're uninterested in shifting away from
[3:28:52] the military industrial complex that's sending your kids to die for Israel and perpetuating
[3:28:58] the cycles of poverty and extraction.
[3:29:01] So I'm here to demand accountability from President Pena, who isn't here.
[3:29:05] She must start serving us, not her donors, and if she doesn't have the balls, then she needs
[3:29:09] to resign, and that's the one who actually knows Barbara's rules.
[3:29:12] Take the gaffle.
[3:29:13] Thank you.
[3:29:16] Anami Das, followed by a Dale Rose Bennett Herrick.
[3:29:28] A Dale Rose Bennett Herrick, followed by Laura Alderetti.
[3:29:51] Just for solo Garcia.
[3:30:04] I get wine on the can't be here today.
[3:30:13] Laura Alderetti, followed by Ben Michael Barreras.
[3:30:22] Vice President of Council members, Jose Armas, a tall striking young man with defining features
[3:30:28] in by all the council moments, boy.
[3:30:30] Born in Mason, Albuquerque, he was 23 years old, a big brother to four siblings.
[3:30:35] He was. My nephew.
[3:30:38] On May 26, Jose was having a mental crisis. He wanted the pain to stop. It was not his
[3:30:43] for one of many since experiencing PTSD after working as a correctional officer for the county.
[3:30:50] ACS did not show up, and I'm here to ask each and one of you. Why? Isn't that their primary function?
[3:30:58] APD likes your function, and if scenario, so let me pose a few for you.
[3:31:03] If ACS has showed up, Jose would be alive. If APD had allowed his mother to talk to him, he would be alive.
[3:31:12] If ABD would not have created a chaotic scene, it would have been clear that Jose was not armed or shooting from upstairs.
[3:31:20] Jose was legally shot at the front door and just a few steps from there.
[3:31:24] He bled to death and died.
[3:31:29] Jose was murdered, but his spirit was not killed.
[3:31:32] And this is the prelude to a movement that will be his voice for justice.
[3:31:38] Thank you.
[3:31:41] Ben Michael Vereras, followed by Eva Montoya.
[3:31:53] Eva Montoya, followed by Mervin Tilden.
[3:32:03] Good evening, Vice President, Council members.
[3:32:07] Thank you.
[3:32:07] I'm just calling to comment or coming in to comments on
[3:32:12] like super speeders and chronic speeders who are basically not
[3:32:16] just stacking up to get after tickets of the automated cameras.
[3:32:21] And they're just not paying them.
[3:32:24] I guess I just stumbled across the Facebook thread and as people
[3:32:27] bragging about how I have double digit tickets now and I'm never going to pay them.
[3:32:34] It's just people that are talking about going, you know, you're having to get gold 10 miles
[3:32:39] over to get these tickets. So it's just what are we going to do about this situation if there's
[3:32:45] no consequences to getting these tickets. That's all I kind of wanted to bring up.
[3:32:50] Hopefully we call this an idea as to remedy the situation.
[3:32:55] Thank you.
[3:32:58] Mervin Tillden, followed by Janine Malone.
[3:33:11] Mr. Gerer, one second please.
[3:33:12] Councillor Roberts?
[3:33:13] Thank you Mr. Vice President.
[3:33:15] I just want to be an admin to speak to that because I also saw the same thread.
[3:33:19] And there are consequences for not paying your automatic speed tickets.
[3:33:24] So do we know what those consequences are?
[3:33:27] I do, but just wanting to.
[3:33:30] for the public to make sure they know that there are consequences.
[3:33:33] Mr. Vice President, Councillor Rogers, there are steps, obviously, of consequences. I won't
[3:33:39] get them in the right order off the top of my head, but there are consequences that we follow
[3:33:46] and we'd have happy to provide you those answers.
[3:33:50] Thank you, Madam President. So, yes, I think it would be good because we'll try to educate the
[3:33:55] So what I remember of the consequences are the feet goes up if you don't pay them after a certain amount of time
[3:34:02] You get pulled over and you see we see you know police officer sees all of those
[3:34:07] They can use them. They can boot your vehicle
[3:34:09] if you're in a parking meter and let's say your parking meter runs out
[3:34:14] They look up your license plate and see that they can boot your vehicle
[3:34:17] Which then you would have to pay all of those tickets on top of the booting fee to get your car unbooted
[3:34:23] And then finally, it also is referred over to court as well after a certain threshold and then we'll go on collections as well.
[3:34:34] So there are lots of different consequences for not paying your automatic speed tickets.
[3:34:39] This council did add.
[3:34:41] I was happy to sponsor one of those amendments to add that you can volunteer for four hours at any of the list of events.
[3:34:50] We had it for Juneteenth. We had about 48 volunteers that were there to pay off their automatic speed tickets. I've never had so many volunteers for an event and so if you're not
[3:35:00] People to pay for that, you can volunteer at a city event that's listed on the website, and you
[3:35:05] won't have to pay your fee. But there are consequences, so just wanted to put that out there.
[3:35:10] Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I appreciate you homering me on that.
[3:35:14] Mr. Croix.
[3:35:15] Thank you, Mr. President.
[3:35:17] Damien Malone, followed by Dale Crants.
[3:35:31] Okay. My name is Damien Malone. I'm a member of IOTC423.
[3:35:36] I represent stage connections and skilled workers who make events and concerts.
[3:35:41] Public gatherings, I'm here regarding a recently approved amphitheater project
[3:35:46] at 1500 Desert Circle located behind Rebel.
[3:35:50] I want to be clear at the outset, I'm not here to oppose the project.
[3:35:53] I'm here to ask that this project moves forward,
[3:35:56] CDLators and the public key forkers at the center of this discussion.
[3:35:59] I work with NRG in the beginning of I started in 98 and in 2024,
[3:36:04] I was removed from work from the company without a phone call, former notice or explanation.
[3:36:11] I was simply taking off the work app.
[3:36:12] Before workers began using NRG paid minimum wage to the workers.
[3:36:19] And in my experience, if you ever asked for a raise, you were let go.
[3:36:23] NRG also moved employees from W2 status to 1099 status without permission or notice.
[3:36:30] Despite these obstacles, we did unionize it.
[3:36:33] And Danny has not gotten to the table with us.
[3:36:36] We just wanted to put that out there to you guys
[3:36:38] to keep an eye on it, keep an eye on Danny,
[3:36:41] and help the workers fleece.
[3:36:44] Thank you.
[3:36:47] Dale Cranz, followed by Sylvia Rommels.
[3:36:59] Sylvia Rommels, followed by Jessie Erinberg.
[3:37:05] Missed by President and Counselors,
[3:37:07] I am Sylvia Rommels Cruz.
[3:37:09] I live in historic Old Town and Servant
[3:37:11] the Board of the Historical Town Association.
[3:37:14] I am here to speak in support of the portal market program and its artisan vendors.
[3:37:21] Or the past few years the program has deteriorated beginning with the elimination of the
[3:37:26] portal manager position that had been funded by the Arts and Culture Department until late
[3:37:32] 2023.
[3:37:34] That deterioration culminated in October 2025 with the overnight on authorized replacement
[3:37:39] of windows with windows with doors and La Placita on the whose portals, several generations
[3:37:46] of artists have sat vending their wares and earning their living.
[3:37:51] Lastly, a few months ago, again over and back.
[3:37:55] I apologize.
[3:37:56] Vice Chair, the issue with the door and involvement of portals is something very well
[3:38:03] to the land.
[3:38:04] Mark condition could be a cause I'd usually come up.
[3:38:07] Again, as I explained earlier, the council wants to make sure they stay safe in this situation.
[3:38:14] I understand.
[3:38:15] We can hear it fully and be able to voice and vote on that issue.
[3:38:20] So we don't want to jeopardize that with any comments made.
[3:38:23] So if you could adjust your comments not to speak of the details of that issue.
[3:38:29] Okay, so I am respectfully asking the Council to restore order to this historic cultural,
[3:38:36] generational, and financially viable market in Old Town by returning the vendors to their
[3:38:42] ordained spaces and re-instituting the position of Portown Manager for the program.
[3:38:48] Thank you, Madam.
[3:38:48] Thank you.
[3:38:51] You see, Erin Burd, followed by Roger Belderz.
[3:38:55] Again, if this is this motion please,
[3:38:58] tread lightly, sir, please.
[3:39:00] If I tread on something please stop me.
[3:39:03] And if it's helpful, Vice Chair,
[3:39:06] the issues with the ordinance and the manager,
[3:39:10] it's unrelated to the issue with the door and the window.
[3:39:14] So it's just anything related to what was in front of the landmark commission
[3:39:20] would be. I think I'm good. Awesome. The decision made, I'm sorry, Vice President Council.
[3:39:32] The decision made to eliminate the highly trained position of Old Town Quartal Manager,
[3:39:39] which left the Portal vendors with no one to manage and enforce the rules without any
[3:39:47] without any direct communication with the city itself.
[3:39:53] When the new,
[3:39:58] I probably can't do that.
[3:40:00] I'd just have to leave that. Thank you. I appreciate it. And folks, again, I really want to emphasize, I know there's some frustrations.
[3:40:10] We just want to make sure that we can, this council can, can be effective when this comes in front of us or if it comes in front of us, that we have all the abilities at hand to make a good sound decision.
[3:40:21] Okay, so we don't want to jeopardize any of that. So it's frustrating as it is. This isn't the right venue when this comes up in front, then perhaps that will be the time.
[3:40:30] Thank you.
[3:40:34] Roger Valdez, followed by Janet Sators, on Zoom.
[3:40:40] Vice President, members of the Council, I'm Roger Valdez with the Center for Housing and Economics, speaking on behalf of the Cottages at 161 Chama, a 20 unit affordable cottage project in the International District.
[3:40:52] So I want to thank Councillor Rogers and Councillor Grout for introducing resolution 51.
[3:41:01] This will be an allocation of capital outlay that will completely fund the project and
[3:41:08] will make the city a partner with 18 state legislature legislators who funded the project
[3:41:13] through capital outlay.
[3:41:15] The governor who put in additional funding and the county who is acting as the fiscal agent.
[3:41:20] So we're grateful to all of you for considering this and hopefully supporting it, and we hope to have you at the ribbon cutting in next May or June
[3:41:30] That's our target, and we are looking forward to having you there. Thank you for the help and the support
[3:41:38] Thank
[3:41:41] you
[3:41:42] Janet Sayers, followed by Sarah Aziba
[3:42:00] Janet Sayers, followed by Sarah Aziba
[3:42:06] Yes, good. Can you hear me okay?
[3:42:10] We can hear you, John.
[3:42:12] Thank you so much.
[3:42:13] Yes, good evening, Mr. Vice President.
[3:42:16] Members of the Council.
[3:42:18] And I'm Janet Sayers, a resident district nine.
[3:42:22] But I also advocate for the Del Norte High School
[3:42:26] Cluster of Schools, which are in District 4 and District 7.
[3:42:31] The first thing I'd like to say is
[3:42:33] Thank you again for the time and effort that you all put in, serving your individual districts.
[3:42:42] You're the residents, the neighbors, the neighborhoods, the businesses, the churches.
[3:42:48] It's a very big job that you have a very big and challenging job, and I do appreciate it.
[3:42:54] Lastly, I am also here tonight in my role as Chairperson of the Unified City County Library Advisory Board.
[3:43:01] we are once again starting our education process, regarding the highest priority, which is
[3:43:10] to replace the HVAC system at the Main Library.
[3:43:15] We did not reach the finish line last year, and we are hoping to meet it again, that we
[3:43:19] are hoping to meet it this year.
[3:43:21] Thank you very much.
[3:43:24] Sarah Azivo, followed by a walking Montoya.
[3:43:30] Thank you, Mr. Cornel, yes. Good evening, Council Vice President, City Counselors.
[3:43:36] In 1991, the front page of Albuquerque Street News read New Mexico on track to begin abolishing homelessness.
[3:43:45] Yet today, the City continues to spend public money just placing people, citing them for resting anywhere in public, even on 100-degree days, creating a homeless court to manage citations and circulating people through shelters.
[3:43:59] Nearly 35 years later, in 2024, enough, that's 35, I'm sorry, 50 unhoused people in pets were displaced from Utah Chico, into a city funded hotel voucher program that offered no services.
[3:44:14] Three months later, they were sent back out to live on the streets.
[3:44:16] In 2025, the city pursued an expensive legal battle to remove 20 people and $3 from quirky
[3:44:23] used books, parking lot, with the only option offered being up to 90 days in emergency
[3:44:28] shelter that didn't accommodate their needs.
[3:44:32] Meanwhile, hotel-based recovery centers are showing up, showing us what support can look like.
[3:44:38] People who have been displaced or cycle through the shelter system are experiencing healing,
[3:44:42] and success with up to seven months in private rooms with private bathrooms, meals, recovery
[3:44:48] services, time to clear warrants, pursue their education, create art, find work, and move
[3:44:53] toward housing. One center is made impossible for disabled mother and son to remain together
[3:44:58] while receiving support.
[3:45:00] Mayor, finding a job in shaping a path toward housing.
[3:45:03] Thank you, Mayor. Your time is up.
[3:45:05] Please support these centers. Thank you.
[3:45:08] Joaquin Montoya, followed by Benjamin Bean.
[3:45:15] My name is Joaquin Montoya, and I'm a resident of Albuquerque.
[3:45:18] I am speaking on behalf of Deflock New Mexico.
[3:45:21] I'm here to raise concerns about APD's automatic license plate recognition system.
[3:45:26] Specifically, genetic APL, APLR network, integrated APD's real-time crime center, APD operates
[3:45:34] over 100 APL cameras that are that store every residence plate location data for 365 days
[3:45:42] with no warrant, no suspicion, or no meaningful oversight.
[3:45:47] The governing policy that was last updated was in April 2016 over a decade ago, and
[3:45:53] was only itself a slight revision of the 2020-2012 policy.
[3:45:58] The technology that technology now has far moved,
[3:46:01] has moved far beyond the rules of mental governance.
[3:46:05] The system does, it doesn't just replay its attacks movement.
[3:46:09] It crosses cross-reficent social media,
[3:46:12] commercial data brokers, federal databases,
[3:46:15] that builds the detailed picture of where you go,
[3:46:17] when it, and how often, without your knowledge or consent,
[3:46:23] I also want to flag in 2025 a critical security vulnerability
[3:46:27] was publicly disposed in Genetech Security Center.
[3:46:30] They exact platform APD uses with the severity score of 9.8 out of 10.
[3:46:36] APD has not publicly confirmed whether the system
[3:46:40] has been attached.
[3:46:41] When you're storing a year of location data of hundreds of thousands
[3:46:45] of visitors, thank you so much.
[3:46:46] your time is up.
[3:46:52] Benjamin B.
[3:46:55] Good evening Vice President and Councillor's. I'm actually talking about the same thing. So first
[3:47:01] thank you Councillor Torres for looking into this. I'm glad we're not using flock. I wish we weren't
[3:47:05] using any system. These are reasons why you should and should not support automatic license plate
[3:47:12] patron is first law enforcement can do to more with less money. That's great but I trust that
[3:47:17] police officers who have been doing their job for so long without these can continue to do their job,
[3:47:23] especially when they're funded at three times the rate of the next most funded department.
[3:47:30] And again, like the previous person was saying, this is not, this data is not limited to local police.
[3:47:37] Anybody can access this data and maybe that's not intentional. Maybe it's a security breach.
[3:47:45] There is no perfect security, even if you have perfect security, you have people involved, and that data is going to get out.
[3:47:53] Also, this is great.
[3:47:54] I'm in support of cameras for some things like speeding.
[3:47:58] But could we take care of the cars that don't have license plates?
[3:48:02] That would be fabulous.
[3:48:03] Thank you very much.
[3:48:06] Thank you.
[3:48:07] Mr. Vice President, that concludes general public comment.
[3:48:10] Thank you, Mr. Perneus.
[3:48:11] We'll move on to approvals.
[3:48:14] EC-126 approval of the first, first supplemental agreement to add funds for outside council legal services between modules perling in the city of Elbuquerque, move for approval.
[3:48:27] Second, invite committee of the whole ground.
[3:48:31] Don't believe there's anybody signed up to speak.
[3:48:33] Councillor, do you have any questions?
[3:48:35] Comments, concerns?
[3:48:44] All those in favor of EC-126, raise your hands, say yes?
[3:48:50] Yes?
[3:48:51] Post?
[3:48:54] All right.
[3:48:54] That passes.
[3:49:03] Now we move on to EC-210.
[3:49:05] Councilor Febucord.
[3:49:06] Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[3:49:08] EC-210 is approval of the Development Agreement for the Uptown Connect Affordable
[3:49:13] Housing Project with Family Housing Development Corporation to utilize workforce housing
[3:49:17] dress funds and state capital outlay funding towards the new construction of a
[3:49:21] multifamily rental housing project.
[3:49:24] I move approval.
[3:49:26] I have a motion for approval in a second by Councillor TAS.
[3:49:36] Open your remarks.
[3:49:37] Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[3:49:39] So I appreciate everybody supporting getting this through quickly tonight.
[3:49:42] This was introduced on the last letter of introduction.
[3:49:45] But was not heard at FGO.
[3:49:47] I don't think it made it to the list of the administrations priorities.
[3:49:50] Not sure why because it really should be.
[3:49:52] This is needed to move forward this month so that we can continue
[3:49:56] closing on our raised grants for the uptown.
[3:50:00] Connect affordable housing project and make sure that we get that project completed as soon as possible because I need this affordable housing.
[3:50:09] I'm happy to answer any questions.
[3:50:12] Councillor's any questions? Comments? Mr. Cornelis, we believe we have one speaker.
[3:50:18] Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I'll bring in Benjamin Bean.
[3:50:31] good evening Vice President and councillors. Good to talk to you again.
[3:50:37] So I would ask that you please support this project.
[3:50:41] This is an excellent opportunity to provide more housing for people who can't afford it at the currently high housing prices.
[3:50:49] Everybody needs shelter.
[3:50:52] And amongst all the benefits that this is going to bring, it's going to be one small piece of
[3:50:58] using homelessness now per turkey by providing shelter at an affordable rate.
[3:51:03] This is going to be more housing generally, which is the number one contributor to
[3:51:09] un affordable housing in an area is a lack of housing, and so the prices go up.
[3:51:17] This is going to be density and an appropriate location. It's going to be right next to
[3:51:21] transportation shops and services that are all within easy reach.
[3:51:24] It's going to be significantly better use of a transportation hub than empty parking lots, making use of increased use of existing trains that seems like the obvious thing to me.
[3:51:40] Thank you, guys.
[3:51:43] Thank you, Mr. President.
[3:51:44] That concludes comment.
[3:51:45] Thank you, administration.
[3:51:47] The big comments.
[3:51:49] Chairman.
[3:51:51] Thank you, Mr. President.
[3:51:52] This is an incredibly important project.
[3:51:55] It's been a partnership between Councillor Fibilgorn, the developer, and as we all know the information that the transit department has put into this project is related to ensuring that we have a transit focused development for housing.
[3:52:14] It's a very exciting project that we have seen examples in other cities where, when you build housing adjacent to transit, you can actually enable really productive household opportunities that both reduce the cost of living as well as put us in a position to maximize use of other city assets to move people to jobs and other activities.
[3:52:38] This is as Council of People Court indicated connected to the federal raise grant that we have received and as you all know,
[3:52:48] HHH and transit have been working together on this project to move it forward with as a priority.
[3:52:54] So this allocation of funding is really critical for the final piece to put all of these together so the development agreement can be entered into.
[3:53:04] Thank you, Mayor of CAO.
[3:53:06] Councilor, is there any questions for this sponsored?
[3:53:09] Councilor Lewis.
[3:53:10] Just a little quick.
[3:53:11] I'm just interested why it wasn't heard enough to you.
[3:53:14] Oh, thank you.
[3:53:17] Mr. Vice President.
[3:53:18] I don't know.
[3:53:20] It was on the letter of introduction and it wasn't on the FGO agenda.
[3:53:25] And so we asked and we were told that the administration had provided a list of things that
[3:53:30] needed to be heard at FGO and my mind was not on there.
[3:53:35] I don't know who makes that list or why my project would not be included, but obviously I think this is a very important project that I really want to move forward on the timeframe that we've worked so hard with the developer to get to this point.
[3:53:50] Ms. Montoya.
[3:53:52] Madam President, are Mr. President to have an answer to the question.
[3:53:58] That item was not on the FGO,
[3:54:01] because when it was submitted by administration,
[3:54:04] they did not specify that that needed to be heard immediately.
[3:54:07] Like multiple other items had to have that notation on there.
[3:54:13] Councilor Lewis.
[3:54:14] I just want to make sure it was for the record.
[3:54:15] I didn't keep it from going to FGO.
[3:54:18] Mr. Vice President, I did not mean to imply.
[3:54:21] No, no, no, no.
[3:54:21] It's from you.
[3:54:22] I truly believe that there was a list from the administration and for some reason this did not
[3:54:26] make it on to that list.
[3:54:27] And I don't, for the record, like that list, or I think it should exist, I think everything
[3:54:31] should get moved forward at the same pace.
[3:54:34] Does it say for the record as the administration's fall?
[3:54:36] So, all right.
[3:54:37] Thank you.
[3:54:37] Just do you know that?
[3:54:39] It's good.
[3:54:39] I'm joking.
[3:54:41] I'm not going to give you a chance to comment on that.
[3:54:45] I'm kidding.
[3:54:46] Go ahead.
[3:54:48] Thank you, Mr. Vice President and
[3:54:52] When we send down, I mean, this is a procedural process, when we send down if we have something that has to be executed by a specific time.
[3:55:00] We do ask for either hold over media action or other items. It does not mean that the items that don't have that are not important to us.
[3:55:09] It's simply that we try to make sure we give notation if there is an urgency that it has to be executed by a specific date.
[3:55:16] And I think, in this case, we felt that the regular of schedule would meet our requirements and appreciate that the Councillor has prioritized it by no means are we going to ever argue when something can get done quickly
[3:55:29] and especially something of the great magnitude.
[3:55:32] Councillor Davis, thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[3:55:35] So that is the Council President's decision though, correct?
[3:55:39] I mean, the Council President gets requests from the administration
[3:55:43] and the Council President could decide whether it's held over,
[3:55:47] so really would come from a, it would be a request by the administration
[3:55:50] to the President, correct?
[3:55:52] And the President has discretion in that regard.
[3:55:55] So would that be my correct on that?
[3:56:00] Mr. Vice President, Councillor Lewis, it is under the rules to the discretion of the President,
[3:56:06] but I think, every since I've been in this job, all the Council presidents have kind
[3:56:12] of followed the lead of the administration in a lab, use yourself, and you'll add stuff
[3:56:17] for holdover stuff like that.
[3:56:19] So although it is the discretion of the Council for the most part, I mean the Council President
[3:56:23] for the most part, they do follow it.
[3:56:24] I will also point out that I believe this letter of introduction probably had about
[3:56:30] 50 different pieces of legislation, so the administration did have a lot of stuff coming in,
[3:56:36] so just wanted to point that out as well.
[3:56:38] Yeah, I'm surprised.
[3:56:39] Yeah, nobody did anything wrong.
[3:56:40] I mean, it's just the president's decision on whether it goes down to you or whether
[3:56:45] it's held over or anything like that.
[3:56:46] Nothing wrong with making that request either.
[3:56:49] Thank you, Mr. West.
[3:56:52] Councils, we do have a motion for approval and a second and further questions comments.
[3:56:57] Seeing none, all those in favor of the approval, raise your hand, say yes?
[3:57:02] Yes.
[3:57:04] Post.
[3:57:12] On to final actions.
[3:57:14] Baka, grab and Rogers, who wants to go?
[3:57:18] Councillor Bokke.
[3:57:19] Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[3:57:20] Oh, 50 amending the public purchases ordinance related to the definition of social services
[3:57:24] and department references and directing the city update information accordingly.
[3:57:27] I move due paths.
[3:57:29] I can't.
[3:57:30] We have a motion for a due pass by.
[3:57:32] in a second by Councillor Rogers.
[3:57:37] Mr. Bunker, or one of you don't think you Mr. VP.
[3:57:42] Yeah, this is allowing the city to contract.
[3:57:44] Currently, the city only contracts with nonprofits on social services.
[3:57:48] This would allow them to contract with four profits.
[3:57:51] I think what we've found, at least in my time here,
[3:57:55] is while some of the nonprofits do good work.
[3:57:57] Some of them have a lot to be lacking.
[3:58:00] This will allow a, allow a larger pull to pull for RFPs, but be also provide a little incentive for some of the existing nonprofits to step it up.
[3:58:13] Yeah.
[3:58:15] Thank you.
[3:58:15] We have one public comment.
[3:58:18] Thank you Mr. Vice President.
[3:58:19] We have Ted, human scheme to come.
[3:58:53] Okay, my end, my end, my end, my end, this or the end is about corrupted non-profile.
[3:59:03] There is what they change in counsel, that nothing,
[3:59:14] not something, because it's something,
[3:59:18] nothing for nothing, another word.
[3:59:22] They are not doing anything, corrupt exist, and all of this will be with this non-profits,
[3:59:30] because they want nobody overseas them.
[3:59:37] I love public to know, read that more agendas.
[3:59:46] Now, what I was talking about, one neighborhood and another, while downtown,
[3:59:54] this soul, nasty, as all of this being.
[4:00:00] Yes, because it's neighborhood. I mean, there's a sheet, city leadership above all. And city control, this real state.
[4:00:21] Thank you, Mr. Clinton. We're back on the bill. Councils, questions? Councils are growing.
[4:00:30] Yeah, you are a council broker. Sorry.
[4:00:34] Excuse me. Mr. Vice President, can I ask Ms. Bradley to go over and describe what this
[4:00:39] ordinance does?
[4:00:43] Ms. Bradley?
[4:00:44] Yes.
[4:00:44] It's all right.
[4:00:45] Getting technology straight.
[4:00:47] Vice President Champlain, Councilor Grout.
[4:00:50] So we worked for.
[4:00:53] With Councillor Baca for a while to streamline some of the.
[4:00:56] Ornances in the city, some of the processes in the city.
[4:00:59] surrounding affordable housing and in conjunction with the department.
[4:01:05] And so one of the things that we looked at was
[4:01:09] broadening the definition of social services in the purchasing
[4:01:13] ordinance to make sure that there's a bigger pool of people to respond to our
[4:01:19] piece. So that was, and this was one piece of a big picture of a lot of
[4:01:29] part of this bill is also for us to work with the department to look at other regulations
[4:01:37] of administrative instructions, policies, other ordinances in the city, and further streamlined
[4:01:43] based on this broad and deaf edition.
[4:01:49] Councillor Growell.
[4:01:50] Thank you.
[4:01:50] No, thank you very much, Miss Bradley.
[4:01:54] I think this is a great update to this ordinance.
[4:01:59] This current ordinance is well-intentioned.
[4:02:03] It was meant to expand the capacity of our non-profits and it did that, but I think that
[4:02:10] they are maxed out and there's a lot of good for-profit social services providers who are
[4:02:16] doing excellent work and treating addiction and mental illness.
[4:02:22] And these companies know how to manage their resources and I'd like to partner with them so
[4:02:27] the city can provide services, provide these services for people who couldn't afford
[4:02:32] otherwise.
[4:02:34] So I think we need to expand our capacity to help people, not limited, and that's why
[4:02:38] I think this is a great change.
[4:02:41] And I hope that you all will support it.
[4:02:44] Robert, Councillor Zayn for the questions.
[4:02:47] Councillor Baudkler.
[4:02:48] Or?
[4:02:49] Councillor Baudkler.
[4:02:50] Thank you.
[4:02:50] Mr. Vice President, my colleagues did it well, and I thank you, Bradley, for the additional
[4:02:57] information. I will just say that this limits our debt current ordinance limits a social service
[4:03:04] contract between the city and a non-profit or a public agency. And what that means is
[4:03:09] only non-profits and government is eligible to contract with the city, whether by means
[4:03:16] of an award or a competitive solicitation or standard contract issued under another procurement
[4:03:21] method. This just allows us to be more nimble and not shrink who's able to help us with some
[4:03:29] of the issues facing our city and not saying we have anything against nonprofits. They have
[4:03:34] been carrying this work in our city and for a long time our economic development department didn't
[4:03:40] even offer services to the nonprofits which now they are which I'm grateful for because that is
[4:03:46] We have to help strengthen their capacity but we also have some very very big needs that for-profit businesses can also help us with.
[4:03:55] So, doesn't take non-profit out of it, it just allows us to expand who can help us with some of these hard issues facing our city.
[4:04:04] So, I urge your support. Thank you.
[4:04:07] Thank you, Councillor Rogers.
[4:04:10] See you in another.
[4:04:11] All those in favor of.
[4:04:14] Oh, 50.
[4:04:16] Is your answer yes?
[4:04:19] Those opposed.
[4:04:20] All right, passes.
[4:04:23] All right.
[4:04:23] Council press on O-51.
[4:04:25] Mr. Vice President O-51 adopting a zoning map amendment from N-R-S-U to N-R-L-M for approximately
[4:04:32] and 165 acres, legally described as all or a portion of tract A,
[4:04:38] plat of tract A, City of Albuquerque Water Treatment Facility
[4:04:41] located at 6,000 Alexander Northeast and owned
[4:04:44] by the Albuquerque Burnley County Water Utility Authority.
[4:04:47] I move a due pass.
[4:04:50] The motion for a due pass in a second on 051.
[4:05:01] Now, O2651 is a quasi-judicial request which requires special procedures to allow the applicant staff and the public, the opportunity to speak.
[4:05:11] This agenda item will proceed as follow. Council planning staff will present for five minutes. The applicants will present for ten minutes.
[4:05:20] testimony by public speakers two minutes each.
[4:05:23] Rebuttal by the applicant will be five minutes cross-examination by anyone who spoke during public comment.
[4:05:31] We'll be limited to two minutes each.
[4:05:33] Comments by the planning department if any for another five in the council planning staff closing comments.
[4:05:39] If any for five minutes the city staff and the applicant must be sworn in.
[4:05:44] So, if you are speaking to this matter as a staff member or an applicant, please raise your right hand.
[4:05:53] I see one, two, three, four.
[4:05:57] All right, I'll for view.
[4:05:58] Do you affirm, under penalty, or perjury, that your testimony will be true.
[4:06:04] I see all of you shaking your head.
[4:06:06] Public speakers will be sworn in on an individual basis when we get to the portion of the hearing.
[4:06:10] Mr. Delgado, please begin with your introduction and there should be like a time or like a day or something.
[4:06:20] Vice President, Council, thank you very much.
[4:06:24] So this item, oh 2651, is adopting a zoning map amendment city council per our integrated development ordinance.
[4:06:33] It is requesting a zone change from non-residential special use to non-residential light manufacturing
[4:06:39] for approximately 165 acres located at 6,000 Alexander Boulevard North East.
[4:06:52] This site is owned by the Albuquerque Burnley County Water Utility Authority.
[4:07:01] So as you see projected, the site is billinated in the Turquoise Boundary,
[4:07:19] and as you
[4:07:19] stated, this is a quasi-judicial item.
[4:07:23] The council has pervy over certain ZMAs or zoning map amendments that pertain to certain
[4:07:29] criteria.
[4:07:30] So in this case any or 10 gross acres or more that are located in an area of consistency
[4:07:38] require council council approval and as you can see projected on the screen the entirety of
[4:07:46] the site is located in an area of consistency next slide please Garrett.
[4:07:54] For current context land use in zoning,
[4:08:01] the current zoning is non-residential special use.
[4:08:06] There is currently a water treatment or treatment facility onsite.
[4:08:09] However, our ideal considers that as a non-conforming primary use as that was
[4:08:24] to non-residential light manufacturing that zone actually allows for major utility as a primary use on site.
[4:08:32] And as you can see, it projected the surrounding zoning consists of non-residential business park,
[4:08:40] non-residential, also more non-residential light manufacturing, which is the purple. Next slide, Garrett, please.
[4:08:49] In terms of the notification requirements, so in accordance with our ideal procedures, all
[4:08:56] neighborhood associations within 660 feet and all property owners within 100 feet of the
[4:09:02] subject property were notified as required and that included the district board coalition
[4:09:08] of neighborhood associations and the North Valley coalition, notification to Indian nations,
[4:09:14] tribes and pueblos was not required for this request, as well as the staff were the applicant
[4:09:20] received any public comment.
[4:09:24] This item did go to the Environmental Planning Commission on May 21st, which they forwarded
[4:09:29] about a recommendation of approval to the council.
[4:09:33] In this has gone historically to the EPC for several requests.
[4:09:39] So November 8th of 2018, the EBC approved a condition approved, made an approval, but it also imposed a condition of approval requiring the applicant to pursue a zoning map amendment to where the district could add major utility as in a lot of primary use.
[4:09:58] Um, the applicant.
[4:10:00] And then we're back to the EPC for a site plan. And in April of 2026, and they also just reminded the applicant that they had this outstanding condition of approval, which is why we're seeing them here today at the council.
[4:10:18] And with that, that concludes my presentation. And if there are any questions.
[4:10:21] Don't
[4:10:28] think we've got a question, it's just yet we do a pre of the applicant's presentation.
[4:10:38] Now, I apologize, ma'am, there isn't a name associated with the applicant other than the applicant's.
[4:10:43] Okay.
[4:10:46] All right.
[4:10:47] Mr. Vice President and Counselors.
[4:10:49] My name is Jackie Fishman and I'm here on behalf of the water authority for the zone change request.
[4:10:57] And were you going to swear me in?
[4:11:00] I believe we did that at the beginning.
[4:11:02] Okay.
[4:11:03] Sounds good.
[4:11:04] Thank you.
[4:11:04] And I have a brief, very brief presentation as well.
[4:11:08] If somebody could pull that off.
[4:11:10] If you don't mind.
[4:11:13] Okay.
[4:11:14] That's not, that's, oh.
[4:11:18] It's the, the one, the slide before that.
[4:11:25] Okay.
[4:11:25] There we go.
[4:11:26] Okay.
[4:11:27] Thank you very much.
[4:11:28] So again, I'm Jackie Fishman.
[4:11:31] With me today is Rochelle Larson.
[4:11:33] She's a principal engineer at the water authority, also Shard Johnson from Consensus Planning.
[4:11:40] As Ms. Delgado mentioned, the subject property is about 165 acres in size.
[4:11:46] It's own NRSU, which is non-residential sensitive use.
[4:11:51] The property was previously used for gravel extraction, which that many years ago,
[4:11:57] and the use transferred to major utility, which as Ms. Delgado pointed out,
[4:12:03] is not a primary permissive use in the NRSU zone.
[4:12:07] In fact, NRSU is one of the only zones
[4:12:10] where major utility is not allowed.
[4:12:14] So we are left with a non-conforming use on the property,
[4:12:18] which means the San Juan Chama drinking water treatment
[4:12:22] planned project cannot be expanded
[4:12:24] until the zone change is approved hopefully this evening.
[4:12:29] This is a critical infrastructure project
[4:12:32] for the water authority and so we're very pleased to be here tonight.
[4:12:39] In approving our initial zone, I'm sorry,
[4:12:42] our initial site plan, major amendment in April,
[4:12:45] the EPC condition, the site plan on securing a zone
[4:12:51] map amendment.
[4:12:52] We followed up with that the next month in May with a zone change
[4:12:58] request, the EBC found that the zone change furthered the comprehensive plan goes and objectives,
[4:13:08] and met all the criteria for zone changes.
[4:13:13] Next slide, please.
[4:13:15] So I'm sure you're aware that the San Juan Chama drinking water treatment plan's large scale
[4:13:21] research expansion project is a very critical project to the Albuquerque metro.
[4:13:28] It is a project to enhance long-term water supply, reliability, and resiliency through
[4:13:35] expanded aquifer storage and recovery infrastructure.
[4:13:38] We call that the ASR.
[4:13:40] The zone change will allow two ASR well sites to store treated San Juan Chama surface
[4:13:46] water, in the regional aquifer for later recovery during peak demand periods and drought conditions.
[4:13:53] And we also had warehouse complexes as part of that zone change, part of the site plan request.
[4:14:01] So all of that would be now allowed with this zone change.
[4:14:05] The project is the key component of the water authorities, water, long range water planning efforts.
[4:14:12] I think, again, this is, I see this is more of a housekeeping zone map amendment.
[4:14:21] It's, again, I think we all are in support of the water authority doing its business, and
[4:14:26] I'm pleased to be here and ready for any questions you may have for us.
[4:14:37] Thank you, Ms. Fishman.
[4:14:40] I appreciate it.
[4:14:41] We'll go on to public speakers, I believe we have one,
[4:14:48] thank you, Mr. President, and
[4:14:49] We're bringing in James Shanley right now.
[4:15:13] Mr. Vice President, I have James Shanley on. Mr. Shanley, are you there?
[4:15:25] Yes, I am.
[4:15:26] Oh, perfect. Mr. Shanley, do you, will you raise your right hand, please?
[4:15:31] Appreciate it. Do you affirm under penalty of perjury that your testimony today will be true?
[4:15:38] I do.
[4:15:39] Thank you for that. Please proceed with your comment. You have two minutes, sir.
[4:15:44] Okay. My comment was on the project at 161.
[4:15:49] I'm not sure whether that's happy.
[4:15:53] I checked an O instead of an R.
[4:15:57] Well, I'm glad to affirm that you would be truthful with that tonight.
[4:16:01] I apologize.
[4:16:02] Way to come forward. That's perfect.
[4:16:04] No, we will move on to that.
[4:16:06] And if that's what your comment is for, then we'll wait until later tonight.
[4:16:09] Okay. Thank you.
[4:16:10] Perfect, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
[4:16:12] The applicant, do we have a five minute
[4:16:14] or a bottle from the applicant?
[4:16:21] Mr. Chairman, or I'm sorry, Mr. Vice President,
[4:16:26] only to urge your support.
[4:16:27] Okay, thank you.
[4:16:30] No public speakers, so planning department,
[4:16:33] any comments from the planning department?
[4:16:35] There she comes.
[4:16:39] You don't have to hurry, will we?
[4:16:43] Planning department supports the Environmental Planning
[4:16:45] and Commission's recommendation.
[4:16:47] Thank you.
[4:16:47] Perfect.
[4:16:50] Council staff?
[4:16:51] Comments?
[4:16:53] Vice President, no comments from staff?
[4:16:57] Comments?
[4:16:58] Questions?
[4:16:59] Concerns?
[4:17:05] Here was one question that I'll ask.
[4:17:08] Comments are about the later.
[4:17:10] Just out of curiosity.
[4:17:12] So we do have a motion for a due pass and it has been seconded.
[4:17:16] No questions.
[4:17:17] Comments?
[4:17:19] All those in favor?
[4:17:20] for a due pass, raise your hands, say yes, yes, opposed? No, passes.
[4:17:28] We will move on to item
[4:17:30] C, 054. That's a few important.
[4:17:33] Thank you Mr. Rice President. 054 is a mending ROA-1994 chapter 2 article 7, part 2, related
[4:17:41] to the city attorney in the city legal department and repealing section 325 of the code of
[4:17:46] resolutions, and we will do fast.
[4:17:49] We have a do pass in a second from the committee of the whole
[4:17:52] crowd.
[4:17:58] We have one person signed up to speak, actually,
[4:18:03] too.
[4:18:04] Thank you, Mr. President.
[4:18:05] We have a bit of jealousy, followed by Ted and you, Midski,
[4:18:08] I think.
[4:18:09] I think it's great to go along here, so.
[4:18:11] Ted and Midski.
[4:18:21] Thank you.
[4:18:22] My name, Ted and Midski, Midski.
[4:18:25] Well, I thought it ended the day of the city of Tornu.
[4:18:35] 1971, 1972, being a contractor, and having issues with the theft by employee.
[4:18:47] are walk to city attorney, they used to be here in this basement,
[4:18:58] and because somebody
[4:19:00] suggested to go to city attorney, I said fine, that time city attorney like the way
[4:19:09] and says, go to any judges, from judge argument to judge during the clearing, that's all the other words.
[4:19:24] So anyway, that was now where we are. I have filed a little sort of assignment all of you.
[4:19:36] Well, who's going to defend that day or I'll say thank you Mr. Nameski.
[4:19:43] Thank you.
[4:19:44] The motion on the floor for a due pass counts as any questions comments.
[4:19:51] Did you open?
[4:19:55] You want to open since there's no questions any?
[4:19:57] I can open any questions.
[4:19:59] I...
[4:20:00] Thank you, Mr. Vice President. You know, we've had a lot of conversations around accountability tonight on a lot of things and really all that this bill does is creates accountability with the city attorney and us, this fight.
[4:20:15] We have numerous examples of accountability going towards the administration, which is very right and should happen, but we should also have some accountability.
[4:20:25] if we ask for things like we want to be kept up the day on a case that involves this
[4:20:31] body we should be kept up the day. If we want our staff to be involved in a case
[4:20:36] that moves forward because it matters to us we should be able to do that and that's
[4:20:42] all that this will does. So I urge your support.
[4:20:46] I don't think Councillors, if that opening closing
[4:20:51] I don't see an amendment actually I do
[4:20:57] It's not for me, and I don't believe it's from you, and there's nothing in the iPad, so I think it might have just been a mistake.
[4:21:04] What's that, it's an error?
[4:21:05] Mr. Vice President.
[4:21:06] No, that's correct.
[4:21:09] No, we talked about this.
[4:21:10] There was, it's supposed to be for R54, not 058, so there's not an error.
[4:21:15] Councillor Pissot.
[4:21:16] Mr. Vice President, I have concerns.
[4:21:20] And I was talking to Ms. Cullit on earlier today with in regards to the still.
[4:21:24] We just found out that we're having an EC come down for a new city attorney given the history of everything that just happened this last year.
[4:21:33] I have concerns because some of what I see in this ordinance, I think it makes sense.
[4:21:40] I think that it's okay. I think some of it doesn't necessarily, to me, seem like we need to legislate it.
[4:21:46] And so my concern is that we are sitting here, are we reacting to something that happened
[4:21:54] or are we legislating something that we actually need to legislate?
[4:21:59] One question that was asked of me was, but we could be correcting something in the new city
[4:22:05] attorney from not doing something wrong.
[4:22:09] And is that what we need to do if we've never really seemingly had a problem before?
[4:22:14] or I have, I mean, I don't think that this is on the right track for us to not be looking
[4:22:24] as a reaction to something that happened. I made a commitment in the investigation that happened
[4:22:30] saying that, hey, if we find out that what we suspected was incorrect, that I would accept that,
[4:22:38] I mean, it still is something that was a surprise to me, but I accept it, and I'm worried
[4:22:45] that some of the things in here are creating a larger problem that we're going to have
[4:22:50] some massive unintended consequences for coming up.
[4:22:54] I would love to hear from the administration on their concerns.
[4:22:57] I know that I have had my conversations with them.
[4:22:59] I've contacted our staff.
[4:23:01] I've tried to do some of my research.
[4:23:04] I just don't want us to end up doing something that will be a lot.
[4:23:09] It's always harder to undo it than it is to do it.
[4:23:12] And I think that we should see what this new city attorney is going to be like if we ever appoint that person or whoever we end up appointing.
[4:23:21] And there should be things that we do that are not just reactionary and emotional, which I am concerned that some of this is.
[4:23:30] Madam, see you.
[4:23:31] Thank you Mr. Vice President.
[4:23:33] I have shared some, I've had a few council's ask me questions related to this and I've shared some of the issues that I think that the current as a written language raise.
[4:23:46] I did ask Mr. Roland for his review so that I made sure I wasn't reacting emotionally and I think he can speak to some of the very specific issues that are related to potential direct conflict with the charter as it's written today.
[4:24:02] But also in some of the other issues that it raises in terms of meeting structure and requirements.
[4:24:13] I just want to make sure I say on the record publicly that I have spoken with both Council Services Director and other Councillors about sitting down and working together around what are the standing operating procedures.
[4:24:26] What is the general expectations of the city of turning in terms of communication, reporting,
[4:24:32] structures and others that we can do that work, I think, together and then think about
[4:24:38] revisions to this ordinance that reflect in ways that are not in conflict with the charter,
[4:24:44] but also aren't prescriptive in a way that potentially binds future councils through ordinance.
[4:24:50] typically future departmental matters like this would be by resolution, but I don't want
[4:24:58] to get into the specific...
[4:25:00] Legal interpretation. If I can ask Mr. Rollin to speak to those issues that we have raised. And again,
[4:25:07] would just ask that if we work together on some amendments, I think that the city attorney
[4:25:14] ordinance would be more reflective of kind of how we can move forward together. If I may ask
[4:25:22] Mr. Rollin to speak to those items. Mr. Rollin. Thank you, Vice President and Vice President and Council.
[4:25:30] And reviewing this, some of the issues that kind of popped out of me is, especially as Deputy City Attorney that manages individuals or manages attorneys and departments with or divisions within city legal is kind of decentralization of power that potentially could be the aftermath or the unintended consequence of removing some language and putting additional language.
[4:26:01] One of them being, I think, in 2-7-2-1, there's the removal of executive and administrative
[4:26:12] head of the legal department and just leaves as the head of the legal department.
[4:26:17] Not exactly sure what that would entail, but when read with some of the other changes
[4:26:24] and the ordinance what it potentially suggests and could be argued down the road and could
[4:26:30] create conflict and confusion is does that mean that the city attorney then does not is not the
[4:26:37] final legal interpreter when it comes to specific legislation or legal issues that might come up
[4:26:45] specifically in this case a lot of the language is around of course city council the city attorney
[4:26:50] being City Council's attorney.
[4:26:53] One of the examples is there's language in here that specifically directs.
[4:26:58] I guess maybe direct is not the right term,
[4:27:02] but provides for that city attorney or that
[4:27:09] council, individual council's council services, or what's determined to be the general council
[4:27:15] of Council Services, can't have the discretion just seek legal advice from anybody within the legal
[4:27:22] department. From a managerial perspective, that could be a nightmare, but just from a legal
[4:27:29] perspective, one of the, the way that the charter is drafted is the city attorney is the top
[4:27:38] legal interpreter of laws for the city of Albuquerque, I apologize. This essentially removes
[4:27:49] the city attorney from that process right we are wrongly but it does remove the city
[4:27:55] attorney from that process. So if let's say one city counselor is going to one attorney
[4:28:01] and then another city counselor is going to another attorney and then another attorney is
[4:28:05] talking with Julia or Victor or Isaac,
[4:28:09] they can all potentially get different versions of legal advice.
[4:28:14] And I know, as has been told to me, sitting here in a couple
[4:28:18] of times, I've been here at Council.
[4:28:20] There can be frustration.
[4:28:21] You get 10 attorneys in a room.
[4:28:23] You can get 10 different advice on anyone particular subject.
[4:28:27] And that's just the nature of the law.
[4:28:30] But it can create a lot of confusion and conflict
[4:28:33] in the legal department when that happens and I see it often from just representing the administration
[4:28:39] issues or representing city council on land use issues that are appealed with out a singular
[4:28:47] person kind of reviewing and making those legal decisions it can be really disruptive to the process
[4:28:53] and that's not how any legal firm would ever operate or could operate. And so that's the primary
[4:29:01] level of concern from this is the unintinent consequence being a decentralized legal department
[4:29:07] with potentially multiple individuals and you know we've got 30 plus attorneys sitting in
[4:29:14] city legal and one of those potentially at any councilor's discretion could be decided okay
[4:29:20] you're going to answer my legal question today that legal removing the city attorney from that
[4:29:28] Capability is could be very disruptive.
[4:29:33] The other additional issue, and I have a lot of respect for Julia, a lot of respect for Victor,
[4:29:40] and what they do in their highly competent attorneys by the city charter,
[4:29:46] specifically allocates the power of city attorney or legal, the attorney for the city with the city attorney.
[4:29:55] And what this language does in here is it requires the city of
[4:30:00] Attorney to essentially get approval of legal advice from other attorneys and other departments.
[4:30:06] And it may not operate that, may not happen that way in operation, but it could happen that way based on just the language it's written in there.
[4:30:14] So those are just some of the concerns I found.
[4:30:19] Councillor Teyes.
[4:30:21] Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I guess I'm just, does this in any way preempt or require us to consider
[4:30:31] the resolution and the proposition that was vetoed and I think my bigger concern here is like
[4:30:41] I think we're trying to operationalize good faith in the process which is really critical to
[4:30:50] do, but I don't know, you know, I agree with Councillor Bassan. I don't know if this
[4:31:00] necessarily does what we're trying to accomplish here, right? And I wasn't here last
[4:31:12] year. So I'm really removed from sort of the personal and, you know, kind of the Taylor Swift
[4:31:22] bad blood. Things that went on. And so I really am truly looking at this from a governance
[4:31:32] and a control perspective and how we best achieve that. And quite frankly, I think before we
[4:31:39] can do an ordinance like this, we need to have a full charter review.
[4:31:45] And we need to have a full, you know, our charter needs to be modernized in a lot of ways.
[4:31:53] It hasn't, we haven't had a charter review since 2015, I will leave.
[4:31:58] So now is a really good time to do that.
[4:32:01] And, you know, I think because of that, we need to hold off on, you know, an ordinance like this because we have to combine sort of the technical compliance with the public trust in this type of scenario.
[4:32:19] And I, you know, just because a process is legal,
[4:32:27] or legally adequate, it could still be ethically hollow.
[4:32:32] And I want to make sure if we're going to do this, we're doing it right.
[4:32:36] So, thank you.
[4:32:40] Councilors, any other questions?
[4:32:43] Comments?
[4:32:45] Council, feeble, corner closed.
[4:32:47] Thank you, Mr. Rice President.
[4:32:49] Well, I'm going to ask Ms. Coulot on two questions and then I'll close.
[4:32:53] Ms. Coulot on, I know I have real strong feelings on whether this is a decentralization
[4:33:00] of power. I already go. I have many times in the last four and a half years gone to people
[4:33:10] in the city attorney's office for assistance and I did not always go to the city attorney
[4:33:15] because I did not know that that was the person I wanted to ask about something.
[4:33:19] And so I know I've already been doing this, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.
[4:33:24] I'm a service president and Councillor Feebocorn.
[4:33:27] I would say that I agreed at that as has been a pre-standard practice for Councillors to reach out to
[4:33:37] folks that they're working with for legal questions, whether that's in the city legal department or within council services.
[4:33:44] So I'd say that for the most part is consistent with our practices. Thank you.
[4:33:48] And so I'll just give one example of when I went to the non-city attorney and went someone
[4:33:53] else in the department because I knew that the city attorney works for the mayor and the
[4:33:57] mayor has a different opinion than I do on, for example, cannabis.
[4:34:03] And so I worked with someone else in the city attorney's office because I needed some
[4:34:07] independent analysis.
[4:34:10] And so I don't see a problem with that, especially given that we all now have confirmed that
[4:34:17] city attorney works for the mayor.
[4:34:20] So second one was this, you know, that you would be required
[4:34:24] to get approval from, I guess, from you, Ms.
[4:34:27] Cooladon, is there anything in this bill
[4:34:30] that would require the city attorney
[4:34:31] to get approval on anything from anyone?
[4:34:35] Mr. Vice President, Councilor Fibreau-Karn,
[4:34:37] the bill would not require approval prior
[4:34:40] to the city attorney acting within the scope
[4:34:42] of their authority.
[4:34:43] The section that I think is what's raising some concern is a section G, which is meant to loop in council's attorneys when there is illegal matter on going that involves an act of the council.
[4:35:00] And use appeal, or a legal challenge to an ordinance that the council adopted that the council would, essentially, like their, their attorney used to be looped in on that process to keep them up to date and potentially contribute to discussions on how to handle that case.
[4:35:19] But that section does explicitly say that nothing in that section should be construed to require the city council's general counsel.
[4:35:28] to enter appearance in the litigation or direct control or manage
[4:35:33] the litigation because that is the authority of the city attorney.
[4:35:38] Thank you, Ms. Coulot, so Mr. Vice President, I guess there was a couple of questions that came
[4:35:42] up that I just want to say. First of all, I just kind of find it interesting that we are negotiating
[4:35:48] with the administration on a bill that sets how we, as the council, get to interact with
[4:35:54] city attorney. I think that says a lot about who the attorney works for and and how this
[4:36:01] is going to play out. I think that this is completely outside of the investigation that was
[4:36:08] referenced. My concerns have been varied and wide. There have been many cases where we have
[4:36:15] asked for an outside council and not that. There have been cases where we've asked to keep our
[4:36:21] staff up to date so that they could then keep us up to date on land use cases that are really
[4:36:26] important to us.
[4:36:29] And that didn't happen.
[4:36:30] And so I want to be clear that this is not a knee jerk reaction to one thing.
[4:36:35] This is a pattern of problem that may or may not change with a new CD attorney.
[4:36:42] But I think it's important for us to set these guardrails right now for how we interact
[4:36:48] in the future so that these things don't happen again, because the land use matters that involve this body
[4:36:54] are vital to the future of our city.
[4:36:58] And if we are not getting any input into the way those cases are run, that means that we are not being effective as a city council.
[4:37:08] And I truly believe that that is a very big problem for us.
[4:37:12] I will just also say that I heard from the CAO last two weeks ago when this was introduced
[4:37:18] that she may have some concerns, I'm saying great, let's meet.
[4:37:23] Never heard from her, heard from her today, about three-fifteen, you know, this is the kind
[4:37:29] of thing that happens with this administration all the time, it don't have time at three
[4:37:34] 15, the email came in at 235 and the phone call came in and around 315.
[4:37:41] And this is not how these bills should work, right?
[4:37:45] If you have concerns, you should immediately meet with the person that's saying, sure,
[4:37:51] I'm happy to meet with you.
[4:37:52] But they don't do that.
[4:37:53] They waited until we get here, and then they think that they can just kill these bills
[4:37:57] because they have no accountability and we are weak.
[4:38:00] And I don't think that those things are true.
[4:38:02] All I'm trying to do here is set up a somewhat level playing field where we have some input
[4:38:09] into how the city attorney behaves on cases that directly involve city council.
[4:38:18] So, I urge your support.
[4:38:22] Thanks to the council.
[4:38:23] People according to motion is for a due pass,
[4:38:29] all those in favor?
[4:38:30] Raise your hand and say yes?
[4:38:31] Yes.
[4:38:33] Why do you have to be a real comment?
[4:38:35] She's back on. I wasn't important. Okay. I want to make sure I wasn't missing something. So I'll address all those in favor. Raise your hands. Yes, post and passes on a seven to two.
[4:38:53] Six to my math is back. We'll move on to D. O. 58. Councillor Groud.
[4:39:02] Thank you, Mr. Vice President. O. 58 is a menning chapter two article 11 of the city of Albuquerque, Cote of Ordnance is to
[4:39:10] to improve the city's budget, proposal processes,
[4:39:14] and strengthen oversight and accountability measures.
[4:39:17] I move a due pass.
[4:39:20] Motion to do pass.
[4:39:21] No, the second.
[4:39:23] I second by council, but some.
[4:39:29] Councilor Grant?
[4:39:30] Mr. Vice President, I have a floor amendment.
[4:39:34] It is in your iPads, also on our DIAs.
[4:39:40] This is for amendment, this is from Councillor Pina beginning on page 9, line 32 and page 10, lines 1 through 19, strike through sections 2, dash 11, dash 5, h and its entirety.
[4:39:55] The explanation is because this section remained in the final.
[4:40:00] Opposal in Edward and May. This amendment removes the provision to reflect the outcome and intent of the working group discussion.
[4:40:08] I move a due pass.
[4:40:11] Motion and a side proof in council of the song for a due pass on a amendment labeled a but limited as amendment 1.
[4:40:21] Thank you.
[4:40:22] So, I want to Councillor President Pignette, got a committee together, a small working group I should say together.
[4:40:33] Councilors of the Sun, Councilor Feevele Corn, myself and Councilor Pena, then we worked
[4:40:40] with the administration over the last, over the break actually,
[4:40:48] and our current
[4:40:49] ordinance,
[4:40:52] this is, yeah, no, no, no, no, it's really important for the Councilor's
[4:40:56] budget chair and the administration to work together through the budget process.
[4:41:02] And so this bill provides guidelines to do that.
[4:41:06] And I do appreciate Councillor Pinnon bringing this committee together, this working group.
[4:41:12] There were compromises on both sides and the bill in front of us reflects that.
[4:41:20] This is a good working document and we can always reopen this ordinance and refine it later if we need to.
[4:41:26] But our current ordinance hasn't been updated since 2001.
[4:41:30] So there are some really big changes in here, and I think it will be important to work through one budget cycle before we start amending it again
[4:41:38] But I'd like to ask our budget staff to briefly go over some changes. Oh, this is on the amendment. Oh, I'm sorry
[4:41:51] So we have a motion in a second for amendment number one to
[4:41:57] to 058, Council is in a conversation with the amendment, Council Rogers.
[4:42:04] Thank you, Mr. Vice President, and reading the explanation of this amendment, I said that
[4:42:09] we're just, the final proposal included this inadvertently, but this is all of the amendments
[4:42:15] I put forward in the original, like, before.
[4:42:19] So thank you to the universe for keeping it in there, even if it was inadvertently, because
[4:42:24] would like it to stay in there and I'll explain why and I would urge you to
[4:42:27] know on this amendment because we have continuously during budget cycle talked
[4:42:34] about not having metrics to go with the objectives so that we can see if the
[4:42:39] department is actually making progress towards those goals. It should be tied to
[4:42:45] the budget so at some point we can actually get to a point where we can say to
[4:42:49] a department you didn't meet your goals you don't get an increase in your
[4:42:52] budget. And now we can't do that. There's no, I've been screaming about this for three years.
[4:42:59] Keeping this in the budget ordinance, I know the administration wanted me to work with
[4:43:03] the indicator progress committee. I met with them, heard them out, happy to sponsor some
[4:43:09] of their changes to their ordinance and put it in both places. But what I know of this
[4:43:13] group, if working with them in equity and inclusion, is they don't get the resources or
[4:43:19] really the respect that they deserve to be driving progress and outcomes is a better way
[4:43:27] to say an impact and they don't get the resources that they need so I don't think we can just
[4:43:32] rely on this board and commission to do that for the City of Albuquerque because they didn't meet
[4:43:37] for like two years and so I do not without having this in the budget ordinance have the faith that
[4:43:46] we're going to do this without it being tied to the budget.
[4:43:50] So I would please urge my colleagues to vote no on this amendment to keep that in
[4:43:56] because we work really hard to make sure after three years of yelling about it that we can actually have some action.
[4:44:02] And so I would ask for you to not support this amendment.
[4:44:05] Thank you.
[4:44:07] Thank you, Councillor Rogers.
[4:44:09] Any other comments from the council?
[4:44:12] Administration would you like to weigh in on this?
[4:44:15] Mr. Vice President, I think the intent of the working group was to work together on income
[4:44:23] up with consensus in terms of how that we make the budget bill better.
[4:44:28] I think I could refer to the CFO in relation to this specific portion in terms of whether
[4:44:34] it's not against counselors, goals around thinking through how we get to objectives and do that
[4:44:42] in a way that is measurable, not just statements, so I want to speak to the process that
[4:44:50] I think our budget director and others asked why this was considered, we didn't have
[4:44:56] consensus on this.
[4:44:58] Mr. Vice President.
[4:45:00] Is it not that I want to punt it to anybody else, but I wasn't involved in these meetings?
[4:45:06] So if I may, I would ask Josh Anderson or our budget officer, Kevin Noel, who were in those
[4:45:13] meetings with city councilors.
[4:45:20] I think they picked up or presented it.
[4:45:28] Mr. Vice President and Council Rogers, I mean, for us, for the budget office, we don't really
[4:45:35] have opinion on this.
[4:45:37] The only thing I can say is that as far as measure miss we already include the budget by goals section in the budget book.
[4:45:46] I mean so that already ties the budget to the goals.
[4:45:55] Is that a question or are you making your statements?
[4:45:57] I'm just making a statement.
[4:45:59] I guess if there's a question.
[4:46:02] Councillor Rogers.
[4:46:04] Thank you, Madam.
[4:46:04] are such a habit to think as a Mr. Vice President. I think that what I heard from from
[4:46:13] the Expendigator Progress Chair today when I met with them was that they don't have
[4:46:17] objections to this at all. The consensus was where it should live. And I think that
[4:46:23] what my question is yes we have objectives but there's not a metric that tells me if the
[4:46:29] department met that objective. So yes, we have objectives spelled out, but there's not a like metric that I can see year over year and that's what this asks for.
[4:46:41] The administration shall report annually for year over year benchmarks. So that is not included in the budget right now for me to be able to see.
[4:46:51] like let's take health housing and homelessness, for example, right? If we do not see
[4:46:58] some changes to the lived, like daily numbers of homelessness in our community, why would we continue
[4:47:08] to give that department more money? And so without actual indicators that give me a metric to point
[4:47:15] to progress why do we continue to give these departments
[4:47:20] extra money to manage and that's what this is getting to
[4:47:25] and that's what I'm trying to get to here so I appreciate the statement
[4:47:29] but I would like to ask Council of people who are in these meetings
[4:47:33] was there conversations specifically about these
[4:47:36] getting removed during those meetings?
[4:47:39] Thank you Mr. Vice President. I you know I went to all of the meetings
[4:47:43] and they were quite a few, and they were long, so I might have forgotten something, but I do not recall having the conversation that we would remove this part, and I did review the bill before it was introduced to make sure that it fit with my notes, and I went through, and it did the version without this amendment matched my personal notes from those three year for multi-hour meetings.
[4:48:10] Thank you so much.
[4:48:17] Mr. Chair, members, I was also at the meetings, I think, as far as this amendment goes,
[4:48:23] I would agree with Councillor.
[4:48:25] I don't remember specifically us debating or talking about this exact item in our meetings.
[4:48:34] So we went through, as a starting point, the legislation that failed a year ago, and all the adopted amendments.
[4:48:42] and I think Councilor you had one specifically around the IPC and other Councilor's had different amendments and we kind of review those one like one and went through those
[4:48:53] but as Councilor Feeble court stated I do not also recall this being a specific topic of discussion during our working year.
[4:49:04] Councilor Graham?
[4:49:06] So thank you Mr. Vice President, Councillor.
[4:49:10] I remember I don't I'm good either way with this but I could have I thought I
[4:49:17] remember that this we didn't think that this belonged in the budget or
[4:49:22] and it belonged in a different document but
[4:49:28] I remember by this president and
[4:49:34] implying and comes or grow yes it was discussed about where that where the
[4:49:39] specific, measurable indicator section, the one.
[4:49:45] It was in the summary, however, that specific one was left out of the summary because it was under discussion when we had that meeting about whether or not we wanted to move it.
[4:50:00] It was still included in the drafts that were sent to the administration to the councilors.
[4:50:06] So it remained in the document, but it was discussed whether or not we should move it in or out.
[4:50:12] I do remember that, conversation.
[4:50:19] Okay.
[4:50:20] So I urge your support.
[4:50:23] I don't think any more questions, that's a good closing.
[4:50:26] All those in favor of amendment number one raise your hand say yes yes those opposed so
[4:50:38] it's a four four
[4:50:38] sort of fails okay we're back on the bill not as amended okay so I already said a whole bunch of
[4:50:48] things and this is a device president that can I ask our budget staff to kind of go over the
[4:50:55] changes.
[4:50:58] Let's go.
[4:51:00] Vice President and Councilor Grape.
[4:51:02] So really quickly, OTHFDA is updating and amending chapter 2.
[4:51:08] Before you start that, Councilor Grape.
[4:51:12] Mr. Vice President.
[4:51:13] This feels odd for me, but okay.
[4:51:15] Mr. Vice President, I moved to suspend the rules to extend the meeting to 11 this evening.
[4:51:23] So motion to spend the rule second second if I count for feeble corn, do we really need to talk about it?
[4:51:30] No. Okay, all those in favor of suspending the rule sixth and we need to 11.
[4:51:33] Raise your hands. Yes. Yes. Those post passes.
[4:51:38] Six to our staff. Thank you.
[4:51:41] Thank you, Vice President.
[4:51:43] Okay, so O58 is a Mending Chapter 2 article 11.
[4:51:46] It reorganizes the chapter as mentioned earlier that has been updated in quite some time with the exception of a couple of sections, which have not been touched in this particular revision.
[4:51:59] So since some of them since 1995 haven't been reviewed by 2001 seems to be the last time that we went through this.
[4:52:09] So, this is updating the goals and objective structures, it's codifying budget questions and deadlines.
[4:52:16] It's formalizing the council access to financial information.
[4:52:21] It's including now the measurable indicators updated the IPC duties.
[4:52:28] It doesn't include an informal mid-year study session.
[4:52:31] that will be required every year, and it does require deadline turnerounds for what you
[4:52:39] guys know as the general questions that are now being codified into this particular proposal.
[4:52:45] It did replace the printing and indexing section, which is now as the mission and distribution
[4:52:51] section to include electronic copies sent to all counselors and printed copies for the president and the
[4:52:59] It does change the transfer threshold for the mayor from 100,000 to 500,000, but the existing 5% remains.
[4:53:10] There will be quarter-leaf fiscal status reports due within 70 calendar days, and then there is the new access to financial information section towards the back.
[4:53:19] We also added a cross section, so you'll see that as section 99, and we'll be adding to that over the next
[4:53:26] Probably forever any cross sections throughout the ordinances that have to do with the budget.
[4:53:36] Thank you
[4:53:42] Councilor
[4:53:42] That description
[4:53:44] Councilor Gra
[4:53:45] I want to thank the committee. I want to thank the
[4:53:49] Administration and their staff and our staff
[4:53:54] It was really good, it was really good and I know it's a big, big lift and I look forward
[4:54:01] to making, seeing it work together and I hope that this next year is a really good one.
[4:54:06] So, I urge your support everyone.
[4:54:09] All those in favor of 02658 raise your hands to the yes?
[4:54:14] as opposed, has his 8-0.
[4:54:19] Camps are rout or routers, oh, are 51.
[4:54:22] And just so noted, I noticed that,
[4:54:24] Ms. Garrett, there was public comment,
[4:54:27] but there are no longer here.
[4:54:29] So, for 58, oh, 58.
[4:54:33] Pardon me, Mr. President,
[4:54:34] we do have James Stanley,
[4:54:36] that wanted to speak on this item,
[4:54:37] and he's still one more.
[4:54:40] I remember he was on a long one.
[4:54:42] Okay.
[4:54:43] And I thought he was on 51, okay?
[4:54:45] I think he meant to be signing up.
[4:54:46] That's right.
[4:54:49] Mind the state.
[4:54:49] The next bill.
[4:54:50] Thank you.
[4:54:51] Sorry about that.
[4:54:51] Thank you.
[4:54:54] So we are on R-51.
[4:54:56] Councils Grant and Rogers.
[4:54:58] Thank you Mr. Vice President.
[4:55:00] Our 26th F-51 is directing the city administration to utilize state capital outlay funding for the cottages at 161 trauma, affordable housing development and to facilitate the determination that street vision housing strategies is a qualifying grantee.
[4:55:18] And I move a few pass and I do have an amendment. I second.
[4:55:22] So we have a motion for a two-pass on our 51 and a second, by community to hold
[4:55:26] ground.
[4:55:27] I apologize.
[4:55:28] Mr. Vice President.
[4:55:29] The James Shanley did want to speak of our 51 as he stated.
[4:55:36] Which is what we're on now.
[4:55:38] Okay.
[4:55:38] Excuse me.
[4:55:39] Perfect.
[4:55:41] Shall we go to him now?
[4:55:42] One second.
[4:55:43] It's taking.
[4:55:46] Councillor Rogers for opening.
[4:55:49] Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[4:55:51] And this, I'm grateful to Councillor Grow and Councillor Volcker.
[4:55:55] I think this also approached for help with a gap in financing for a project in our community
[4:56:02] that has received fake capital dollars received MFA funding and governor funding as we heard from
[4:56:09] Roger Valdez.
[4:56:10] That was a public speaker earlier and I do want to move my amendment A number one in our
[4:56:21] This will require a title change so we will defer after we do this amendment as per our rules
[4:56:30] when we change our titles.
[4:56:32] And so this is beginning on page 1, line 3, amend as follow.
[4:56:37] You're just going to remove project number 24, dash i2735 and then on page 1, beginning
[4:56:45] online eight we're removing that whole striking the whole red there just taking out that
[4:56:50] fund number and then on page one line twenty one same thing we're just removing the project
[4:56:58] number twenty four i twenty seven thirty five and and then on page two line nine same thing
[4:57:05] removing the project number and then section one removing any reference to that project number.
[4:57:11] And that's because we worked with the administration, so thank you to Jordan and Monica Montoya for helping us find a good solution so that we can make sure two projects that are slated to be breaking ground any day really can actually happen.
[4:57:29] So I appreciate the collaboration from the department,
[4:57:34] and we were able to come up with a fix
[4:57:35] where we can take all of the funding from project number 24-I
[4:57:40] two, six, nine, nine, so we're just removing
[4:57:43] any language for the other fund number.
[4:57:45] And I was back at that.
[4:57:46] OK, that was my question.
[4:57:48] We have an amendment and a second now by Councillor.
[4:57:51] Committed a whole group.
[4:57:54] Is this a board?
[4:57:57] I have, I know that.
[4:57:59] She hasn't closed yet, man.
[4:58:00] It was about to ask if there were any questions.
[4:58:03] Councillor Pissot.
[4:58:04] Mr. Vice President, I actually have several questions, and I get that we're on the amendment,
[4:58:09] but for those listening, can we have a description of what these two projects are from the state?
[4:58:18] Either Councillor.
[4:58:19] I don't know.
[4:58:20] I don't know.
[4:58:20] Thank you.
[4:58:21] I'm happy to answer.
[4:58:22] Are you asking me?
[4:58:24] Yeah, I mean, or whoever from the department or I just, I would like for the public to know,
[4:58:29] and I would like to have some.
[4:58:31] Sure.
[4:58:31] So project number 24, I $27-35 was capital outlay dollars for housing, specifically tied to that was in our equity and inclusion office.
[4:58:46] That was moved over to a project also in my district for the choice neighborhood grant that we're applying for for HUD.
[4:58:53] That money was slated, and I wasn't aware of that until I met with the department for replanting of city lot that we would build some housing on.
[4:59:03] And so we're due to hear about that, but whether we get the ground or not, that project is moving forward.
[4:59:07] I wasn't aware of that when we wrote it, and so now that we are, we want to remove that so that we don't inadvertently mess up that project.
[4:59:14] The other one that we're pulling all of the funding from the I-24-I-2699 is just re-appropriating affordable housing dollars that already existed at the city of Albuquerque to pull from for this project.
[4:59:35] So that's the switch that we're making.
[4:59:37] So, Mr. Vice President, I guess from the administration, who lobbies for just affordable housing dollars for the city is that something that's been already committed somewhere else, or is this available funds that's going to close a gap?
[4:59:53] You know, I just, I would, I think I have part-burn over the idea of us starting to realize.
[5:00:00] And I guess I'll get into that in a little bit. But I would like to know when it's affordable housing dollars, is that allocated to something already?
[5:00:09] Mr. Vice President and Councillor Bassan, I think Deputy Director, we're all I can speak to the RFP that we issued in the projects that were awarded in the original RFP that these project funds were allocated to.
[5:00:24] And I'm sorry to interrupt. Just real quick. Just also make sure if it's to be
[5:00:28] pulling from specifically the one project now. If this amendment were to pass, but then I
[5:00:35] am curious, and I think for everyone else, it's benefit to know. So you said there's an RFP that's
[5:00:40] already happened. Mr. Vice President, and Councillor Pison, yes. I believe that an RFP was issued
[5:00:46] and competed for. And I'll let Mr. Burrell. I'm sorry. Burrell and Burrell, I've
[5:00:53] And in next step, speak to what that RFP was for and how we awarded those funds previously.
[5:01:02] Mr. Vice President, Councilor Bessong.
[5:01:04] So to the general question, it is not uncommon for the department to get general affordable housing grants through the state CIP process.
[5:01:12] Generally speaking, when those grants are received, we do RFP them out as a component for funding through a competitive process.
[5:01:19] for the specific grant that was totaling $780,000,
[5:01:24] there was an RFP process that occurred for that.
[5:01:27] So on June 11th, 2025,
[5:01:29] HHH issued RFP 2025-669,
[5:01:33] and that was a multi-site RFP process
[5:01:37] for an affordable housing homeowners project.
[5:01:41] There was two components to it.
[5:01:42] One component was city owned land,
[5:01:45] and the CIP grant in the Brella's era, and the other component of it was city-owned land,
[5:01:53] and this particular grant in the Signing National Era.
[5:01:57] So, through that RFP process on October 6, 2025, an award letter was issued to the Santa Fe Community Housing Trust
[5:02:04] to provide both the property and both grants to them for a affordable home ownership project.
[5:02:10] At this point in time, development agreement has not been executed with the Santa Fe Community Housing Trust for those projects, specifically because the developer is still attempting to find
[5:02:21] GAP financing to make this project pensable financially.
[5:02:27] So Mr. Vice President, I guess.
[5:02:30] So, if we pass this, then that goes away, correct, and I mean, okay, let me, but before,
[5:02:41] because I'm just going to do my questions now, because they are, I mean, it's going to be affected by this.
[5:02:46] Thank you.
[5:02:48] So, was this with the state capital program, was it something that counselors lobbied for,
[5:02:55] Or is this something that was on the ever-loving book of priorities that we, that the mayor
[5:03:03] sends up and that the admins sends up?
[5:03:05] Or it is.
[5:03:06] So where did this money, who went out to retrieve this money?
[5:03:10] Madam, see you.
[5:03:11] Mr. Vice President and Councillor Vassan, generally with affordable housing dollars, we lobby across
[5:03:18] all of our, all of us, to have as much affordable housing dollars going towards the city
[5:03:24] and the projects that we know that we have.
[5:03:27] In specific, these two specific project numbers,
[5:03:30] I believe these were general capital outlay appropriations
[5:03:34] that came through the legislative process
[5:03:36] in the distribution of affordable housing funds.
[5:03:40] I don't think we could say it's our proportionate amount,
[5:03:43] I think it's just ensuring that dollars are coming
[5:03:46] to the city of Albuquerque.
[5:03:48] And we issue those, typically, issue those funds through RFP
[5:03:52] to allow for the highest ranked possible affordable housing projects to be awarded those dollars
[5:03:58] based upon the RFP criteria that we set each time.
[5:04:03] And at this one, I believe it was related to homeowner affordable housing and home ownership was the priority set by this RFP.
[5:04:12] And Mr. Vice President, I guess another question I have is if there was already an RFP and all of that had already happened,
[5:04:21] and then why were these two project numbers picked to now move into this project?
[5:04:29] Thank you Mr. Vice-President. I appreciate the question.
[5:04:31] We relied on the Department to help us come up with a solution when we found out that the funds
[5:04:36] that we had originally allocated were already spoken for.
[5:04:40] And because this project is this particular one for this development agreement has not been executed
[5:04:46] in over a year. The Department felt confident that we could still move forward on projects
[5:04:52] that are ready now and replace this funding in this RFP. We've already asked the legislators
[5:04:58] to re-allocate some of our re-off.
[5:05:04] Okay, the one thing that we can get to a meeting is a panel of public meetings.
[5:05:23] And that's a new package, a meeting between governments, and a committee.
[5:05:24] So, the time that is a bill that has been banished, it's a critical moment, which is a problem.
[5:05:26] In the end, the issue is some of the recommendations used for the decision, if we'd like to support the policy.
[5:05:29] We have one another, a little bit of a little bit of a problem to ask for a case.
[5:05:29] and then figure out a plan for the other ones that are waiting.
[5:05:33] And so Mr. Vice President, I think that I, so is that no disrespect, Councillor, is the Department good with this?
[5:05:42] Is the administration good with this? I guess, and then I have another question that I'm trying not to go attend tendental,
[5:05:49] but is this something that the Department is fine with and that the admin agrees with?
[5:05:54] Mr. Vice President, Council of the Sun.
[5:05:56] So we do have two grant agreements, both of which were issued in 2025, totaling about $446,000.
[5:06:04] As the language in those agreements are currently written, one is for a subdivision and one
[5:06:09] is for a motel renovation, which we do not have a motel renovation project.
[5:06:14] And so the intent of the Department is to request reauthorization for both of those grants.
[5:06:19] Should they be reauthorized, there is the ability to make the Santa Fe Community Housing
[5:06:23] trust whole, the variable in that is that it is dependent on reauthorization and going through
[5:06:28] the legislative process to remove or edit some of the language to make it fit this specific
[5:06:32] project.
[5:06:34] Okay, and I think my last question is, I mean, I was always under the impression that if we're
[5:06:40] going to move any kind of capital dollars that are obtained from Santa Fe that it needs to
[5:06:53] I was going to say something to completely inappropriate.
[5:06:56] This is the whole new mind game that I'm not aware of,
[5:07:00] because I've always been told that we should reauthorize
[5:07:04] and have the legislators.
[5:07:05] So I would hate for us to do something that the legislators are
[5:07:09] going to say, no, I gave funding for that project.
[5:07:11] And now we're going to change it up.
[5:07:14] So I don't know, Director Pitya, you have something with your history
[5:07:17] and all of that that could help clarify.
[5:07:20] Mr. Vice President, we can counsel for some if so I asked the question like where does this
[5:07:27] money come from is it from individual legislators or and then that would be important
[5:07:31] to be going to change the intent or the intent of the legislator. If this was just from one
[5:07:38] of my understanding is this was just a pot of money that council and the administration went up
[5:07:42] and said we would just like housing dollars so it was pretty broad. So in that sense it makes sense
[5:07:47] that they would go to our P to figure out what was happening.
[5:07:51] We can verify that since this has to be deferred anyway,
[5:07:55] and verify that that money is in fact a plot
[5:07:57] of just a pot of money that legislators were giving.
[5:08:04] If the scope is broad enough,
[5:08:08] then we don't need to go back to Santa Fe
[5:08:10] because the scope will allow the money to be used
[5:08:12] for this particular project.
[5:08:14] That is why they said that the scope for these other two pots of money, they'll have to go back to Santa Fe to redo the scope in a reauthorization so that the scope is broad enough to allow them to use it for the other project.
[5:08:29] Education.
[5:08:30] Thank you.
[5:08:31] I don't know if Madam CEO had something else to say or not, but thank you.
[5:08:35] Thank you.
[5:08:35] Just my president, Councillor.
[5:08:37] Just for clarity on the two pots of money we would have to have reauthorize.
[5:08:40] There were some changes done at the state level in regards to the authorizations.
[5:08:43] they do allow only one time for reauthorization of that funding and therefore we do have to make
[5:08:48] sure that we have a support of the state to be able to re-appropriate the funding to make that
[5:08:52] full. And so that's a consideration. It's not a guarantee, right? So I do understand the pressing.
[5:08:58] We have a project that's viable. The scope is broad enough to be able to put the money there.
[5:09:02] It is also not guaranteed the authorization would happen. And therefore we have to submit that
[5:09:07] because the two scopes of which we would redirect funding to make it all again,
[5:09:10] could get caught or could get flag. There's no guarantee, but we would make that attempt to
[5:09:15] able to make it full and then re-appropriate that money to fill it. Secondly, we wanted
[5:09:19] to be clear that the two projects that were fun to do sit and respect the district areas,
[5:09:22] right? So I believe in Councilor Box area, as well as Councilor Penis. And so that is where the
[5:09:28] finding would sit for this particular project that would, you know, it still needs to be made full
[5:09:32] and full, but this appropriation is pending that. That's why there is no development agreed.
[5:09:38] Mr. Vice President, no, because he was responding to me.
[5:09:42] Thank you.
[5:09:45] So these projects are not pulling from something that's already existing in district six or district nine.
[5:09:52] Mr. Vice President Kaspersot, not currently existing awarded, but not fully funded for full development yet.
[5:09:57] The projects are on conflict.
[5:09:59] I mean, are we going to go down?
[5:10:00] On that road, we're going to start doing that to each other.
[5:10:04] Madam C.A. Okay. Thank you. Councillor Rogers.
[5:10:09] Yeah, thank you, Madam President. I think it's our Mr. Vice President. I think it's important to note
[5:10:17] just important to note that the part where we're trying to reauthorize is for the motel conversions.
[5:10:22] It's not the whole pot and there's not a current project holding correct Mr.
[5:10:28] Button for Motel conversions for this money.
[5:10:32] Mr. President, Councilor, that's correct.
[5:10:34] So we're not trying to take money already, you slated for any projects and any other districts.
[5:10:39] That is not my intention and I definitely asked that question to make sure before we did this.
[5:10:45] This is all we're doing is reauthorizing the word motel conversions to say we want to use that pot
[5:10:51] for this funding.
[5:10:53] We've already reached out to the legislators as well,
[5:10:55] just I've been doing my due diligence as well
[5:10:57] and talking to them.
[5:10:58] And it's really just the motel conversion part of that money
[5:11:02] that we're reauthorizing and requesting a reauthorization.
[5:11:06] This is something I'm working on with my legislators.
[5:11:08] I get their report and I help them see what money we can find
[5:11:12] and reauthorize.
[5:11:14] And we do need to wait for the legislative session as well.
[5:11:16] So I want to be fully transparent in the process.
[5:11:19] But the part that we're taking from this is for the motel conversions and there is no
[5:11:24] project slated or any development agreements right now for motel conversions.
[5:11:29] Councillor PASS.
[5:11:31] Thank you Mr. Vice President. I just have a question. Can you confirm that this came from
[5:11:35] HB2? Is this from HB2 the Department of Finance? Pull money? Because that's what I'm
[5:11:41] looking at where it says to support housing, portable housing, transitional housing and the
[5:11:49] providers that facilitate behavioral health services,
[5:11:52] substance abuse recovery, homelessness, assistance,
[5:11:54] and prevention for persons with behavioral health needs.
[5:11:57] So if I just want to make sure it's coming from that,
[5:12:02] from HB2, DFA.
[5:12:05] Because if it is, it should be fine.
[5:12:09] Good.
[5:12:10] Mr. Vice President, Councillor Tess,
[5:12:12] that is my understanding. I don't have the agreement in front of me,
[5:12:15] but this, my understanding has been appropriate
[5:12:16] to the House of Prophecy, no, HV2.
[5:12:19] So it's HV2, DFA.
[5:12:21] No, 400.
[5:12:22] How many times did I say that?
[5:12:23] So it's been a little shaking now.
[5:12:24] It's not HV2, HV2, HV2.
[5:12:25] This is 2025 money.
[5:12:27] HV2 is 2026.
[5:12:29] This is money that's been sitting here since 2025.
[5:12:33] Madam, I'm sorry, Mr.
[5:12:34] If I make pressure record, these project numbers are 24 dash,
[5:12:39] which means they are from fiscal year 24, which is not the HV2 bill
[5:12:44] that you just read different legislative sessions.
[5:12:47] So I just want to be super clear.
[5:12:49] I just want to make sure we're really accurate because, again,
[5:12:52] just want to make sure we have the facts.
[5:12:55] So regular session of 2024?
[5:12:56] Yes.
[5:12:58] And just want to be clear.
[5:13:00] The funding that these projects are funded are not the motel conversion.
[5:13:07] The funding that we are ultimately in these projects is the RFP that we issued
[5:13:12] in which we awarded the project in San Ignacio and Boralas.
[5:13:19] What we will have to do is take the Motel Conversion funding that we received and then
[5:13:25] the second project and have those reauthorized in the next legislative session or at the
[5:13:31] least attempt because we hear that that is going to be far more scrutiny on doing
[5:13:36] not going forward, to then back fill the San Ignacio and the Barralis projects.
[5:13:43] So I just want to be really clear about the sequencing because I don't want anyone to
[5:13:47] think that we're pulling any fast ones on anybody.
[5:13:50] The sequence is really important because I know in time we get let just say the dollars we
[5:13:54] need to be able to show where they go and how they progress.
[5:13:58] So hopefully that's clear.
[5:13:59] Councillor Tays.
[5:14:01] Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[5:14:03] So I'm looking at HB2 from 2024 and it does say that there's a specific line item here for to convene and engage service providers to develop new community solutions for affordable housing in the international district in Albuquerque.
[5:14:21] Is that where this is coming from?
[5:14:25] That's specific in the bill.
[5:14:26] Mr. Vice President and Mr. Vice President, and Mr. Vice President and Council Teyes, what we
[5:14:34] can state is that the capital outlay project number and the agreement that we signed with
[5:14:40] the state has these specific scopes that are in this, with these whereas clauses. I can't
[5:14:46] probably trace it on the fly back to exactly which line in HB2 it was coming from, but what we
[5:14:56] Okay, we shouldn't be too hard. We can...
[5:15:00] Review that offline and trace it back if we have to, because there is specific language in here for international district.
[5:15:08] Okay, and Councillor Tess, it is thinking, because of this amendment that we're still on, it's going to need to be deferred.
[5:15:15] Anyway, so it gives time to appropriately do this. Okay.
[5:15:18] So we are on the amendment with a due pass for form amendment number one.
[5:15:25] I urge your support.
[5:15:26] There we go, the closing.
[5:15:29] All those in favor of amendment number one, raise your hand, say yes.
[5:15:33] Yes.
[5:15:34] All opposed?
[5:15:35] No, no.
[5:15:36] OK.
[5:15:36] So we're back on the bill as amended are 51.
[5:15:40] Any further discussion?
[5:15:41] I think we got through all the discussion
[5:15:42] on the amendment bar, exactly.
[5:15:44] Yes, Mr. Vice President, I would just move a deferral
[5:15:47] to our next council meeting, which is September 9th.
[5:15:52] OK.
[5:15:52] So there's a motion to defer until September 9
[5:15:54] You have a second, second in by many of the whole ground.
[5:16:01] I can ask if there's a discussion on those of favor of the firm.
[5:16:03] Raise your hands to yes.
[5:16:05] Yes.
[5:16:06] Opposed?
[5:16:07] Passes.
[5:16:08] All right.
[5:16:13] Mr. Garrett, I believe I made a mistake because we did have a speaker on that.
[5:16:17] So can we go to that speaker, please?
[5:16:23] And I apologize to this speaker that we went through this quickly, but please accept my
[5:16:32] apology.
[5:16:36] Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[5:16:38] we have James Shanley.
[5:16:41] All right.
[5:16:41] So you don't have to raise your hand this time, I promise.
[5:16:45] So Mr. Vice President Counselor, is that actually I probably should defer my comment
[5:16:51] until you are going to act on this.
[5:16:55] But my intention was to not only urge you to support this resolution,
[5:17:02] but actually to engage and activate as a council in replicating this type of project.
[5:17:12] I'm not sure if all of you understand that this street vision project at 161, Chama,
[5:17:21] will probably produce the most affordable, sustainably affordable housing in Albuquerque
[5:17:28] for families earning less than 40% of AMI, the majority of so-called affordable housing projects
[5:17:37] that go on are not aimed at people in that economic circumstance, but we certainly have
[5:17:45] plenty in the city who are.
[5:17:48] So I will carry on with this again in the future, but I urge you to consider the value of community
[5:17:55] land trust in this kind of project and the fact that the mayor didn't point out that the
[5:18:01] city owns 1,128 parcels comprising 22,581 acres of vacant land. That is abundance we should
[5:18:13] put it to work. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I appreciate your understanding and look forward to hearing
[5:18:18] in your comments again on the night.
[5:18:22] R51.
[5:18:25] No, I'm sorry.
[5:18:26] R54.
[5:18:27] R54, Mr. Vice President, a resolution authorizing the execution
[5:18:31] delivery of a water project fund grant agreement by the,
[5:18:34] and between the city of New Mexico,
[5:18:36] finance authority and MFA in the city of Albuquerque,
[5:18:38] the grantee in the total amount of $6.16 million.
[5:18:42] I moved you past.
[5:18:43] Second.
[5:18:44] Motion and second by Council of Fibocorn.
[5:18:47] There is an amendment.
[5:18:48] Yes, we do have an amendment and believe it's in the iPads, is it not?
[5:18:53] Yeah, and this is just technical amendment that allow the changes of who can sign in this case.
[5:18:58] The CEO instead of the mayor
[5:19:06] to see it up there on the TV, hopefully folks at home can see that.
[5:19:12] Can we get a second?
[5:19:13] Second.
[5:19:15] There's a motion and a second for a due pass on amendment 1 for our 54.
[5:19:19] Councillor, Councillor, any questions?
[5:19:22] All those in favor of the amendment, raise your hand, say yes?
[5:19:25] Yes?
[5:19:25] All opposed?
[5:19:27] That amendment passes.
[5:19:29] Councillor Bunker.
[5:19:31] Thank you.
[5:19:31] This is the long going project, and we've got some funding ready to go.
[5:19:36] We'll just need to vote, yes.
[5:19:39] Councillor, any questions?
[5:19:40] I heard your support.
[5:19:42] I'm hoping to go.
[5:19:43] Councillor, any questions on our 54?
[5:19:53] Being no questions or comments on our 54, the motion is to do pass as amended on our 54, those in favor of your agency.
[5:20:00] Those opposed, no, the amendment passes.
[5:20:07] And I believe that concludes all on our agenda, so seeing nothing further, this meeting is adjourned.