1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,000 225 meeting of the Board of Zoning Appeals. For those of you who have not been to a Board of Zoning Appeals meeting, 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:22,000 I'd like to provide a brief overview of some of our procedures. So when a case is called, the city staff will have up to three minutes to present their case. 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 That's correct, Mary. 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Should be five minutes. 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:41,000 City staff will, apologies. City staff will have up to five minutes to present their case after which the applicant and their representatives will have up to a total of five minutes as well to present their position. 6 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Finally, the case will be open to public comments with each speaker also limited to five minutes. 7 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:55,000 There's members of a public wish to speak. They must fill out a speaker form for the record. 8 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,000 The Board may ask questions during any of these presentations. 9 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:06,000 And the response to Board questions do not count against your five minutes a lot. 10 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:14,000 However, speakers are asked to only respond to the question from the Board and refrain from elaborating, 11 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:19,000 restating their position or asking questions of the Board. 12 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Once public comment is closed, the Board will deliberate on the case during which the Board may ask additional questions. 13 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:34,000 As always, speakers are asked only to respond to the question and refrain from discussion. 14 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:40,000 The Board of Zoning Appeals is a seven member board with a four member accord requirement. 15 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:48,000 All motions must have four affirmative votes to pass regardless of a number of board members in attendance. 16 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,000 So with that said, this Christmas and please call the roll. 17 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Mr. Liu. 18 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Mr. Patel. 19 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Mr. Foley. 20 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Mr. Burke. 21 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Mr. Justice. 22 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Here. 23 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,000 We do have a climb. 24 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Perfect. 25 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,000 We're seeing that there are no announcements for tonight. 26 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Let's get to new business. 27 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Talk in number two. 28 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000 VZA 2025. 29 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Dash five. 30 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:23,000 605 East Timber Branch Parkway Public Hearing and consideration of a request for a special exception to convert an existing addition into an attached garage. 31 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Located less than eight feet from the front building wall facing the primary yard zone R8 residential. 32 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Would city staff like to present? 33 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Yes. 34 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,000 evening Mr. Chair, members of the board tonight. 35 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,000 I have the pleasure to introduce to you. 36 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,000 605 East Timber Branch Parkway for special exception request. 37 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,000 For tonight's agenda, I have a quick summary. 38 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Some background information regarding the property. 39 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000 The proposal as well as task recommendation. 40 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:16,000 So the question I is a special exception to convert an existing addition into an attached private garage with the front door located less than eight feet from the front building wall. 41 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 About the primary front yard. 42 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Some key elements to this discussion are the conversion of the existing addition to a garage. 43 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Attached to an existing curb cut and the topography of the lot to do the fact that a majority of the property is located in RPA resource protection area. 44 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Some background information on the property that is owned R8 residential is surrounded by similar single unit dwellings. 45 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:52,000 And like I stated previously, majority of the property is located in a resource protected area which is highlighted on the figure in the presentation right there. 46 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:59,000 As you can see, there's no change of footprint to the actual building. 47 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:08,000 They're just adding a front a garage door opening right located right in on that primary primary front yard right there on the existing addition. 48 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:19,000 So for the special exception request, the required setback for a forward facing garage is eight feet. 49 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,000 The current proposed setback, the applicant's requesting is 0.6. 50 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,000 So therefore, they're asking relief of 7.4 feet. 51 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:32,000 This is a setback from that front building wall. 52 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Stacked records approval, special exception as it means the conditions listed below of each of the criteria for special exception. 53 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Thank you. 54 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Does the board have any questions for city staff? 55 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 I got a question. 56 00:04:50,000 --> 00:05:00,000 So is there any record that, I mean, so when I look at the architecture of this house, it really looks like this used to be a garage and there was converted to a living space. 57 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 And now it's being converted back. 58 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,000 So is there any record of this being a garage in the past? 59 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 So it wasn't a garage, it was actually a car port. 60 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,000 And then the previous owner of the property enclosed it into what is now a addition. 61 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,000 So they want to go back to that being a parking area. 62 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Okay. 63 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 So it's going back to its original use. 64 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Right. 65 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Thank you. 66 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Do is there any record of when that change happened? 67 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,000 The static curiosity when it was converted from a car port? 68 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000 So from our records, this went through a grading plan process. 69 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,000 But then that's when it was done in terms of that enclosure. 70 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,000 All right. Thank you. 71 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 I think it was about 2018. 72 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 All right. 73 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Any other questions? 74 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 I guess a question. 75 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,000 It was the, when it was enclosed, was it permitted to be enclosed? 76 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,000 So as of our records, the grading plan was not completed. 77 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 So therefore that was done under a previous property owner. 78 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,000 So that the whole focus of this was be focusing on the conversion back to parking area. 79 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 That car port did comply. 80 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Okay. 81 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Thanks. 82 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Yeah. 83 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:17,000 So the applicant will be required to get permits for all of the enclosure for any of the work that was done before she purchased the property. 84 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:27,000 We want to take this case for because of to determine whether or not she could convert it to a garage didn't make sense to do two separate building permits for sort of the same. 85 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 The same work. 86 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:40,000 And basically when it was converted to an enclosed addition, it became, it was a non-complying car port with a vehicle opening facing the street closer than eight feet to the front building wall. 87 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,000 When they enclosed it into just living space, it became compliance. 88 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 So it lost its non-complying status. 89 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:54,000 And now they want to go back to the, basically non-complying vehicle opening, less than eight feet from the front building wall. 90 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Okay. 91 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:06,000 But I guess my, my concern was that it was, it wasn't done with permits initially. 92 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,000 So now what you're saying is that, and I'm just trying to paraphrase what I just heard. 93 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:22,000 I think I just heard you say is that now it's going to be required to have permits for everything that was done before such that now it's being brought up to a current code standard. 94 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Correct. 95 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Okay. 96 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Thank you. 97 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Okay. 98 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Sure. You know question, no further questions for staff. 99 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 With the applicant. 100 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Mrs. Lauren and Dad. 101 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Do you like to present? 102 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,000 So I bought the property last September. 103 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,000 And yes, the best of my knowledge. 104 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:54,000 It was a car port before we are willing to do whatever it takes necessary to go through the proper permit process. 105 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,000 The undy burden that it would cause if I had to recess it back eight feet. 106 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:06,000 There's a French drain behind this enclosed is a dining room now at the space that I'm now converting into a garage. 107 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:11,000 It's a French rain behind it and along the entire side of it with a parking lot behind it as well. 108 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 The parking lot is covered more than 80 percent. 109 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 I know I have to take that off in order to get birth building permits for that. 110 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 But it's pretty simple. 111 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,000 We just want to put a one car garage door metal door on the front of the property. 112 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Go about it the right way with the proper permits. 113 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Whatever previous permits were not pulled in order. 114 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,000 We'll address all of that and get all of that corrected before moving forward with anything. 115 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:49,000 So that is what we're looking to convert a previous car port back into a garage into a enclosed car garage without changing anything else other than the front building wall. 116 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 With the door. 117 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Yes, so just there's no plans to add any extra doors on the side or anything for access to the garage. 118 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 It's just saying the same other than the front door. 119 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:09,000 There's got there has to be fire rated doors inside that we have to put in one between the di room and the current kitchen and one between the di room and the family room that's right next to it. 120 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:15,000 We're just going to enclose that walkway through to the family room that's in the back of the house. 121 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,000 That's drywall, but the other areas can be fire rated door. 122 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,000 No new doors exiting to the yard. 123 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 Okay. 124 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Okay. Thank you. 125 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:38,000 There's four members have any questions for the applicant. 126 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Okay. Hearing none. Thank you. 127 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Let's move on to your board to deliverations. 128 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Any board members have any thoughts that they would like to express? 129 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,000 We're doing the application here from the applicant and city staff. 130 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,000 You know, I would support approval of this and just from the photographs that looks. 131 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,000 I honestly thought it was a garage when I first saw the front of the house. 132 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:13,000 And I understand, you know, it's just the only burden of having to push everything back a feed. 133 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,000 If we have staff's recommendation to approve. 134 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,000 And I'm not certain even with other additions or modifications like that. 135 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,000 I was this at this point. 136 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Yeah, it seems like the, the alternative of converting the existing space, which we understand used to be used for car storage is the least disruptive to the applicant. 137 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,000 The applicant neighborhood. 138 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:47,000 The potential upside to complying with the letter of the rules seems pretty low. 139 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:56,000 So I would just like to say that I very much appreciate that the, you know, that there's a need for a garage. 140 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,000 It's kind of near and dear to my heart totally understand it. 141 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:07,000 I would also like to encourage you to consider putting in a side door to the yard or to the back. 142 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,000 If it's compliant to the city agrees with it and stuff. 143 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 I don't think you have to come back here to do something like that. 144 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:23,000 But in my experience, those side doors garage make a lot of sense for practicality when you're, when you're trying to get in and out of there. 145 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,000 There's already a car in there makes it make it much challenging. 146 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:45,000 But yeah, I agree with Mr. Patel that I see absolutely no reason why we would oppose this and I completely agree with the city staff and do support the approval of this application. 147 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,000 It's a quick question for staff. 148 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:59,000 A residential and fill regulations that prohibits from facing garages is a, does that apply to the entire city. 149 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:08,000 That was adopted in 2008 and what's sort of the rationale behind that besides preserving neighborhood character. 150 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:28,000 So I can speak to that. So in 2008, the the Intel task force wanted to promote detached career garages and try to eliminate front forward facing garages is like a prime as being the most prominent feature on it welling. 151 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:35,000 And they were basically pretty much prohibited in the city in 2008 and you had to come and get a variance. 152 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,000 They did not meet the standards for a variance typically. 153 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:46,000 And we saw that there were neighborhoods similar to this one where a forward facing garage is very typical. 154 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,000 So we created the special exception process. 155 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:56,000 If you meet certain standards, which this one does being that there's a majority of the other homes in their blockface. 156 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Have forward facing garages. 157 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,000 You can come forward for a special exception if you don't meet any of that criteria. 158 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:10,000 And the only criteria that they don't meet is the being eight feet set back from that front building wall. 159 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,000 They meet all the other criteria to actually do it by right. 160 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 It's just that eight foot. 161 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Set back that requires the special exception. 162 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:26,000 So we tried to eliminate them and then we realized that that wasn't that didn't mostly make sense in every neighborhood to prohibit. 163 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:37,000 From that a garage is should we create that special exception process that this applicant is taking advantage of. 164 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Any other thoughts on the board. 165 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Mr. Chair, if there's no other thoughts I'd like to motion to approve this special exception. 166 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Based upon the city staff's recommendation and the the seeming the the apparent board. 167 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:03,000 Positive disposition to the application. 168 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 We have a second for that motion. 169 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 A second that motion. 170 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Motion to approve the application. 171 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,000 All those in favor say aye. 172 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 I. 173 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,000 All those against the same sign. 174 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000 I'm hearing none. 175 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,000 The application is passed. 176 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Thank you. 177 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Dock at item number three consideration of the minutes of the April 7th, 178 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,000 2025 board of zoning appeals hearing. 179 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,000 So our secretary Ms. Eblen is not here. 180 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,000 I have. 181 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Review the minutes and I've found that they are accurate to my right right collection of the previous meeting. 182 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,000 So do we have a motion to approve the minutes. 183 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Motion to approve the minutes. 184 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 We have a second. 185 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Second. 186 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Okay. 187 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:08,000 All those in favor of approval of the minutes, say aye. 188 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Aye. Aye. 189 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Okay, same sign? 190 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:19,000 No read, read, redressions or the motion is passed. 191 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Other business, do we have any other business? 192 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,000 There are, there's no other additional business. 193 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,000 I will just give the Board of heads since we have had regular meetings. 194 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,140 have a case that was submitted for September, and then they'll also be the review of the annual 195 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:39,760 for the September hearing, so plan on they're being a September-Eath-Easy Amity. 196 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,000 That's it? 197 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Okay. 198 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 We have a motion to a join. 199 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,000 Motion to a join. 200 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Second. 201 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 This meeting is a join. 202 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Thank you all.