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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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So to start off this evening we'll have a presentation and this is the Alpharetta Business

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Association canine donation presentation.

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If members of ABA would please come forward and members of the Alpharetta Public Safety

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Foundation would like to join us.

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Good

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evening.

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I mean, oftentimes when I get to speak in front of groups like this, I am a broken record

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and then I talk about how well supported we are as a public safety organization in our

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city.

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It's amazing.

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I was just at a conference last week with police chiefs all over the world and I'm

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like, my city is better than yours.

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It really is.

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So, this is a perfect example of that.

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The ABA, who's been a wonderful partner over the years in several different ways,

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has really stepped it up tonight.

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I'm gonna let her explain here just a second kind of what got us to this point

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But we are unfortunately we're down to canines right now

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And so we have been working toward filling those those two positions

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And they became aware that we have a need and wanted to step up and help us with that

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I'm gonna let you talk about that from this point

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We're so thrilled my name is Tracy Morton. I'm with the Alfredo Business Association on behalf of the ABA

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We would like to thank the city council for allowing us to be here today

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to present this very, very special gift to the Public Safety Foundation.

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The ABA has been an active presence and dedicated business professionals for over 25 years in Alpharetta.

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We work together to improve and support our local business climate and serve the greater community.

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The support of the city and our public safety department allows the ABA to hold such events

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is the very popular Alpharetta Farmers Market and the Breemoon Festival, and it runs smoothly

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and safely because of that.

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We would like to show our appreciation to the City of Alpharetta and the Alpharetta Public

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Safety Foundation for all you do to support our events and our community.

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With this donation, the Foundation would like to present a check for $17,000 to acquire and

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train a new canine police dog.

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Thank you to the Alfreda Public Safety Officers and Department for your dedication in improving

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and securing the quality of life for those who live, work, and play in Alfredo. Thank you.

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Thank

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you so much. Again, it's King of Generous and we're hoping early next year to be able to go

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and purchase the dog and send an officer training and we'll certainly keep you in touch with

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what's going on with that. I don't know if anybody else wants to.

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On

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behalf of the people of Alfredo, we thank you.

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That's good. Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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So next item up on our agenda this evening is Board and Commission appointments.

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appointments, and commission appointments by myself, Mayor, and City Councilman Binder.

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So perhaps we'll delay this until Councilman Binder's here.

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We can do that, Mr. Mayor.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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So we'll move on to the consent agenda.

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Consent agenda consists of the council meeting minutes from the meeting of October

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17th, 2022.

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Bless you.

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City of Alfred a home-by-dark memorandum of understanding and the service contract community agriculture volunteer and education

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coordinator. Is there anyone who would like to remove anything from the consent agenda? Councilman Will.

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Mr. Mayor, I'd like to remove the meeting minutes from the consent agenda since I wasn't here last week.

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It's duly noted.

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Any other removals?

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So the consent agenda that we'll be voting on for the time being will be this city of

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off-road home-by-dark memorandum of understanding in the service contract, community, agriculture,

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volunteer, and education coordinator to have a motion from council.

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Yes, sir.

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Mr. Mayor, I'd offer a motion to approve the consent agenda this evening as presented

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by the mayor.

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Second.

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I have a motion by Mayor Pro Tem Merkel, a second by Councilman Hypes, in discussion.

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All those in favor, please vote yes, otherwise vote no,

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and does pass unanimously.

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So now we'll go ahead and take up separately the Council meeting minutes for the meeting

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of October 17th, 2022.

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Mr. Mayor, I'd offer a motion tonight to approve the Council meeting minutes of 10,

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17, 22.

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Second.

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We have a motion by Mayor Pro Tem Merkle, second by Councilman Mitchell in discussion.

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All those in favor of approving the minutes, please vote yes, otherwise vote accordingly.

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And it does pass unanimously, but Councilman will abstain.

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So that'll wrap up the consent agenda for this evening and we'll move right into

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the public hearing.

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The first item under public hearing this evening is CLUP-22-03-Z-22-11-V-22-20, mid-broadball

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residential.

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Mr. Woodman, you have the floor.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council.

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The first item before you is a comprehensive land use plan amendment of rezoning and variances

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to allow for 17 for-sale single family detached homes

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and 26 for-sale town homes on 10.77 acres.

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The density is 3.99 dwelling units per acre.

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Comprehensive land use plan amendment

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is requested from commercial

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and medium density residential

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to medium density residential.

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A rezoning is requested from C2 general commercial,

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O&I office institutional and R10M

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dwelling for rent or for sale residential to R4A slash D.

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Variants is requested to reduce minimum townhome with,

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reduce front and rear setbacks,

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increase maximum building coverage,

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and reduce undisturbed buffers.

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And I do have the location map on the overhead.

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This property is located at 510 Mid-Broadwell Road

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and Zero Broadwell Road Rear

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on the southwest side of Mid-Broadwell

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and West of Wills Road.

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It's undeveloped property.

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It's heavily wooded property.

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It does have an intermittent stream on the property as well.

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The Lex apartments is located to the north

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and west of the development.

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Hunter's Oaks subdivision is located to the south

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of the development as well as the Cronin Cabinet Shop.

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And then we have Belvoir Manor

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and Broadwell Oaks across Mid-Broadwell

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from this property.

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property.

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As it relates to the variance request, this property does have an unusual shape. Its

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triangular shape property does have pretty significant topography on the property. This

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property is located just outside of the downtown. So the downtown limits are Wills Road south

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of Milton Avenue or mid-Broadball. And then the limit north of Milton Avenue is the

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east side of the Belvoir Manor subdivision. So this development is outside the downtown,

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downtown, but just outside the downtown.

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The applicant's request for zoning the R4A-D represents a transition from the lower densities

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that you see out in the west side of the city as they transition to the downtown area,

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which is where you have higher densities.

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This is the applicant's site plan.

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There are 18 townhomes oriented to Mid-Broadwell Road.

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Those have a 35-foot setback from Mid-Broadwell Road.

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These are two stories from Mid-Broadwell Road.

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There are three-story townhomes.

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There's eight right here that are positioned behind those townhomes that are along Mid-Broadwell.

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And then the 17 detached homes represent the remaining portion of the property.

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There is a 50-foot revegetated buffer depicted adjacent to the Lex development.

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The first 30 feet of this buffer is shown to remain undisturbed except for where lots

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D1 and D2 encroach on that buffer.

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And then the outer 20 feet of that 50-foot buffer is where they would re-vegetate that

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buffer where they would grade and replant.

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And then they would have a re-vegetated buffer here adjacent to the Cronin cabinet

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shop.

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up.

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The average lot side of the detached product is just under 7,000 square feet.

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The townhomes are, most of the townhomes are reloaded, as I mentioned, the ones along

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Mid-Broadwell with the townhomes here front-loaded.

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Townhomes are 24 feet wide here and 26 foot wide along Mid-Broadwell.

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Of course, access is from the new driveway.

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This is just up the street from the intersection at Wills and mid-broad wall sits about here.

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It's about a little over 300 feet away from that intersection, so it does meet the minimum

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separation requirements.

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Each of the townhomes as well as each of the detached homes will have the two required

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parking spaces in a garage, and then there will be two additional parking spaces within

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the driveway.

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They do have code compliant driveways.

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The UDC requires a total of 112 spaces for this development.

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They are providing a total of 180 spaces, which includes eight guest parking spaces by the

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mail kiosk.

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There are 20 specimen trees that were listed on the applicant's arborist report.

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They're depicting saving seven of those specimen trees.

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Then, of course, the buffer area here, especially the underserved portions of that, as well

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close to where the stream and the stream buffer, all the trees will be protected within that

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first 30 feet, except for this encroachment here. The trees around the stream will be

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protected. The applicant also, while not required by code to have a buffer between residential

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and residential, the applicant is showing a 25-foot revegetated buffer along the common

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property line with Hunter's Oaks subdivision. Hunter's Oaks sits to the south of this

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development, so there'll be some tree saves there as well.

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And then the two detention facilities are showing right near the stream.

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The applicant studied traffic along the mid-broad wall and specifically looked at a westbound

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left turn lane into the development as well as an eastbound right turn lane into the

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development to see if either of those would be warranted.

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The westbound left turn lane was warranted, however the eastbound right turn lane in was

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not warranted for this development.

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And they have accommodated that westbound left turn lane.

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Of course, looking at this development, actually before we go into those details, wanted to

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show the future land use map.

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So, this is an area that is predominantly low-density residential on the west side of

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the city.

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But as you see, as you come down Mid-Broadway approaching the downtown overlay area, you

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see areas of high density and medium density with future land use.

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As I mentioned, the predominant future land use of this property is commercial.

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is a rendering of the townhomes lining Mid-Broadville Road and

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these are

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surrenderings of detached product that the applicant provided.

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at the applicant's proposal against the established review criteria, the area,

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surrounding areas developed with residential uses, not commercial, in a

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portion of the property already carries a medium density residential feature lane

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use designation.

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We do acknowledge that the properties outside the downtown, however, it is in an area that

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is transitioning from lower densities into higher densities, which is why we're supporting

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the applicants can, uh,

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Comprehensive land use plan amendment and rezoning request. The original application that the

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applicant submitted to the city was for R8A slash D. The density on that plan, this has

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a total of 43 units. That plan had a total of 83 units on the development, on the site

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plan. And they reduced the density basically in half from where they originally proposed

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that based on feedback they received at community zoning information meeting.

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As I mentioned some

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of the hardships to point to the unusual shape of the property as well as topographic

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challenges on the property to support the variances. The applicant did submit a citizen

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participation plan. They indicated that they met with Hunter's Oaks residents on June

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21st of this year. Some of the concerns identified at that time was a desire for

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a buffer adjacent to Hunter's Oaks, which the applicant did provide.

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And then there was some discussion about some existing flooding problems near the western

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boundary of the property.

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City also received some correspondence from residents in this particular area.

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Concerns that we heard were concerns over density, traffic, timing of the traffic study.

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So the original traffic study was conducted before the school year started.

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The applicant did go back, based on concerns from surrounding residents, they did go back

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and update that traffic study during the school year.

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The buffer variance was a concern.

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The request for a buffer adjacent to Hunter's Oaks was identified, stormwater.

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There was a desire to have a

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one-to-one lot ratio within this development adjacent

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to Hunter's Oaks.

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At the time that comment was coming up, the detached lots were proposed on the site plan

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adjacent to Hunter's Oaks.

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The applicant actually flipped this.

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So they moved the detached product north and moved the road south, and then they provided

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a greater buffer.

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The previous plan where the detached directly abutted Hunter's Oaks only provided a 10-foot

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buffer, so they provided a greater buffer with that change.

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then, of course, city staff met with Hunter's Oaks residents at their request on July 25th.

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That's where we heard a lot of those concerns.

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This applicant presented their request at two different community zoning information meetings.

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The first meeting was on July 13th.

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The plan that was submitted on that date was the R8A slash D plan.

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That was the plan with over 80 units on this development.

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It had a density of 7.75 dwelling units per acre.

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And there were a lot of the similar concerns that I've already mentioned were voiced at

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that meeting.

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And then, of course, the applicant revised the site plan, reduced the density, basically

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about reduced it from 7.75 to 3.99, and they changed the rezoning request to R4A

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slash D.

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They presented that plan at the August 10th Community Zoning Information Meeting.

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There's still some concerns with proximity of the project entrance to the wills in mid

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Broadwell intersection, storm water traffic, one-to-one lot ratio.

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And it was after the August 10th CCIM that the applicant actually flipped the detached

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in the road in order to address the one to one lot ratio concern.

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This item was

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taken to the Planning Commission on October 6. Staff recommended approval

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subject to 22 conditions. There were several public comments have that

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meeting some in favor and some in opposition to the request. Concerns

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identified at that meeting were traffic. Doesn't match the character of the

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area. There was a comment about removing lot D1 from the buffer, stormwater, and then the

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location of the hammerhead turn around. The applicant has worked with Hunter's Oaks and

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Hunter's Oaks has also tried to keep the city up to date with respect to whether they

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support this request. Based on what we have heard from the affected, the directly affected

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did lots in Hunter's Oaks that are adjacent to this development.

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It appears that there is one property owner that was not in support of this plan based

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on the location of the Hammerhead turnaround, but it sounded like most of the other residents

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were on board with this current plan.

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I'm not speaking for other residents within Hunter's Oaks, just talking about the

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properties directly adjacent to this development.

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Planning

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Commission ultimately recommended approval

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subject to staff's recommended conditions

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and they did accept some changes requested by the applicant

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and I will mention those as I go through the conditions.

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That was a, the vote was five to one on that.

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And so Planning Commission recommended approval

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subject to 23 conditions and I'll go through those.

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Condition one is a site plan specific condition

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tying to the paradigm site plan dated 928-22 and with R4A slash D zoning.

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Two, comprehensive land use plan designation of the property shall be medium density residential.

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Three, home and town home architecture and materials shall be substantially similar to

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the submitted renderings in elevations labeled exhibit A. Those are the elevations that

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I show to you, and shall have three-sided architecture

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and materials as approved by staff.

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Four, minimum 20-foot decorative landscape strip

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shall be provided along Mid-Broadwell Road,

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consisting of trees and shrubs and ground cover

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as approved by staff.

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Existing tree groupings and trees of quality

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shall be saved in the landscape strip as approved

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by staff.

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Condition five addresses the building setbacks

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within the development.

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Condition six, project frontage and entrance

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and shall include a decorative wall, fencing and ornamental planning as approved by staff.

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Condition 7 addresses the 50-foot revegetated buffer.

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The applicant requested a sentence added in.

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The second sentence reads, applicant shall be granted a variance for the encroachment

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of lots D1 and D2 into the buffer as shown on the site plan.

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That was added by Planning Commission at the request of the applicant.

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And then the last sentence just addresses the 50-foot undisturbed buffer adjacent to

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the cabinet shop.

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Condition 8 addresses the 25-foot revegetated buffer that the developer offered adjacent

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to Hunter's Oaks.

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Condition 9, per applicants agreement, developer shall provide an 8-foot privacy fence.

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Our code only allows a 6-foot privacy fence on residential properties.

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The applicant at the request of Hunter's Oaks asks for that to be changed to an 8-foot

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privacy fence, and that was changed by Planning Commission.

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Condition 10 addresses the detention facilities.

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trees, having those developed as with a natural appearance and improved as a neighborhood

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amenity. Condition 11, developer shall plant street trees in the six-foot planter as approved

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by staff. 12 addresses the open space throughout the development. 13 addresses the mid-broadway

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road street frontage and how the developer shall improve that.

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Condition 14 requires

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requires the developer to remove exotic and invasive trees and shrubs within the stream

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buffers and tree save areas and replant or sparse.

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Condition 15 unfinished wood fences and decks shall not be visible from Broadwell Road.

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Condition 16 trees shall be preserved as depicted on the plan prepared by Paradigm

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dated 9, 28, 22.

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17 requires additional tree groupings and trees of quality to be saved outside

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of required buffers, 18 streets less than 24 foot wide shall be marked no parking, 19 developer

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shall construct a westbound left turn lane on mid-broad wall at the project entrance to the site

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as approved by staff, 20 project access shall be designed to comply with applicable design

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standards including site distance and appropriate shift taper and storage length as approved by

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staff. 21 requires that utility structures head walls be finished with decorative stone

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if visible from offsite. 22 limits the number of residential units rented to no more than

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10%. And then condition 23 was added by Planning Commission and references these conditions

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agreed between the developer and the abutting properties and hunter's oaks. That

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condition reads the agreed to seven conditions with hunter's oaks abutting

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property owners are incorporated herein by reference and made part of the

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conditions. And the condition those seven conditions are on the overhead. And

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that concludes the presentation. If you have questions I'm happy to answer

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those. Do we have any questions for staff on this item?

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Thank you Mr.

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wouldn't. The applicant would like to come forward now if there's a chance to do so.

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Members of the City Council, I'm Don Rowlater. My address is 200 Foothills Parkway, Marble

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Hill, Georgia. Yes, there is Marble Hill. It's full of marble. Glad to be here tonight

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on behalf of the applicant and on behalf of Toll Brothers, Toll Brothers being the

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chosen developer by the applicant to produce this project. I think Michael's done a magnificent

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job of giving you a description of what the request is and where the property is. The only

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note I'd like to add that that is is that two things. Number one, it's the most unusually

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zoned piece of property I've ever seen in the city of Alpharetta. I think Jimmy Buffett

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would say, how I got here, I don't have a clue. I don't have a clue, but it's

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interesting. The majority of it is owned commercial. A good chunk of it is owned

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office and the tailpiece is zoned for apartments. What a mess. So when you look

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at what's going on there and then you look at the southwest side of Mid

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Bravo Road, if you come from the fire station back into the city, past the

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fire station you will find the saddle creek apartments to the rear. You will

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find the habitat for humanity, community next coming along that side of Midbobble Road.

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Then you'll find the condominiums that have been there for a long, long time.

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And then you find the Lex apartments.

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And then you find this piece of property.

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So we hope that we have proposed and the staff and the Planning Commission support

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a transitional use for this property that makes sense.

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Nobody wants any commercial development in their backyard, and I don't blame them.

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It's not a proper place for office.

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I'm thrilled that it's Toll Brothers that will produce this product.

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They have an excellent reputation in the city.

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They have good reputation in the city.

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They bought their position from Tom Sharp and Sharp Properties

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and have come forward from there and have enriched and enhanced the product that was brought there.

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So, that's what we get to at this point.

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We've proposed 26 townhomes, and they're from $800,000 up, most of them up along the

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frontage of Mid Bravo Road, and then we've proposed 17 single-family detached homes along

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the boundary line of Hunter's Oaks, and those will run from a million one up.

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I love the product that Toll Brothers produces. Michael went to, in detail, to explain to you

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what we did to soften the impact for the people in Hudders Oak subdivision. Originally the

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houses backed up to it. There was only a 20-foot setback, a five-foot landscape strip,

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and a little old, we'd proposed a rod iron fence. That didn't make anyone very happy.

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The bad news was not only where the house is close, but you got to look at the backyard,

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which is where the grill is and where the hot tub is and where all those other amenities

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that everyone enjoys, but they're right up next to your neighbor.

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So we flipped the plan, and all only a five-foot landscape strip was required.

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We put in a 25-foot landscape strip that would be revegetated to buffer standards

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along there.

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And whatever good trees are in there, we'll save, we'll plant new trees, and that will

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become a very attractive area.

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More importantly is that that fence in there with your approval will be eight feet.

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That blocks the view of anyone on the lower or left-hand side of that subdivision who

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would otherwise look into the front of this subdivision.

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I personally don't see much wrong with looking at the front of a million-dollar

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house, but just the same with the 8 foot fence. That left side of the property is the

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only part that's close in topography to the new subdivision. The people up closer to Mid

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Bravo Road are high above this area. Any water that originates comes down into the subdivision

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so we don't flood other people. We're on the level with the last two or three

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lots on the left-hand side, and so our land planner has gone to great trouble to make sure

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we�

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We divert all of the water from our development down in that bottom part into our detention

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ponds so that we don't have any negative impact. They have some negative impact already. They've

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had some interesting challenges down there, and I know how this city loves to hear about

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stormwater drainage problems. So not only will we not make it worse, we will make it

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better. So I think that's an important thing to consider with this development as well.

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Now, the other important overall fact is that we asked for several of these variances which

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Planning Commission and staff have recommended approval of to compress the development more

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into the property.

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The benefit there is, is that you get substantial green space.

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In this instance, you get 48% of the property when we're done being green.

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I have an example of that.

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If you can turn it on, I'll put it on the overhead.

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This is the green area when

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we're done.

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And again, that's 48% of the development.

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So with those things in mind, we began to work with staff

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and to work with Hunter's Oaks.

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We've had multiple meetings with them.

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And we tried to listen to every concern that we could hear about.

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So we added those conditions that Michael showed you to make sure that we don't impact the lighting,

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that we don't do other things that cause problems, that we tend to the stormwater development,

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and do all of those things that make this a very plausible project.

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So we are asking you tonight to approve this application subject to the Planning Commission version

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of the conditions. There were only two minute changes from what staff had proposed to start

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with, and then in addition it added the seven conditions that are important to the people

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in Hunter's Oaks. We also heard some comments from people across the road and Broadville

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Oaks and the other subdivision over there who were afraid they would be looking down

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on to the housetops there. I went and looked on Google Earth and the Broadville Oak subdivision

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has a substantial line of trees between it and the roadway. There's one house on the

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other little subdivision right up on the corner that may get some view over the cabinet

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shop and into the subdivision. But our wish is that when they look down there that

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they find a very pleasing and plausible product that attracts people to the city.

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We're still suffering a housing shortage in the city of Alpharetta.

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We don't seem to be able to put enough good houses up quick enough to staunch the demand.

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I'm fascinated.

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I work in an office with a mortgage broker, and I listen to him cry and complain about

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what's going on out in the northern suburbs and how the market has withered and died

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somewhat, and we don't see that here.

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Everything that's put up, there are people standing in line to buy it.

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That's a credit to the city and what this city has created and what it's done.

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With it being a tech center, with it having downtown, with it having Avalon,

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with it having the park system that does, and with the trail system coming up,

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I saw the additions to that that are to be approved.

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I'm excited about it. $15 million, I think? Fantastic.

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So this subdivision is designed to be a part and parcel of that product.

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At this point in time, I would ask you, if you have any questions, we have representatives

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and toll brothers here.

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We have our land planner here.

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I'll answer what I can if necessary.

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Other than that, we'd like to close our presentation on the front side and reserve

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time for rebuttal at the end.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Thank you, sir. We have any questions for the applicant?

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Seeing none. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

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Mr. Pirro, do we have any public comment cards on this item? Yes, Mr. Mayor. We have two that

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have been submitted at this point. Our first speaker this evening is Karen Miller.

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If you would like to come forward and just state your first and last name and your address

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into the podium microphone here, and please address all of your comments to Mayor and Council.

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Karen Miller, and it's five three four five hunters oaks drive

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And I am just

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Here I'm basically Michael and Dawn covered everything that I would want to say

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We have worked throughout the process with the development team. They have been

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Accessible and ready to meet with us and discuss any of our concerns all along so

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So we, my husband and I are property boarders.

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We'll share the property line with this development and we are pleased with this latest site plan.

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I feel like we've made a lot of progress and this is something that I think we can live with.

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And I am only speaking to the detached homes, the townhouses.

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that's you know that's something that we don't border so and I sent an email this

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morning so I think I covered everything thank you ma'am you said we had two

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public comment cards our second speaker this evening is Pamela Clark if you would

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also like to come forward just as a reminder state your first and last name

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in your address and as she comes forward if there's anyone who hasn't

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submitted a request. You can still come up. Just want to let you know.

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Good evening, everyone. Pamela Clark, 53, 2500 Oaks Drive, Alpharetta. I am a neighbor in

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the subdivision in question and my home sits at the hammerhead, opposite the hammerhead

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and D1 house. My concern is I've lived in Alpharetta in that same house for over 30 years. Never

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had a problem, no one ever. The wooded area, the nature, we enjoy that environment. My concern

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is for, like was read off, the runoff of water, the loss of nature, the loss of the

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trees and the lighting and the noise that would come from that road that is proposed.

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Yes, it is the best plan that was developed with us and the developer. However, my concern

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was that we don't have to use, agree to use the, allow the, I'm sorry, I don't remember,

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the un, the buffered area. D1, the D1 house does not need to be there. We, there are

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plenty of homes in that area. And to say that Alpharetta is in a hardship for homes,

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I'm having a hard time with that, with all the development that's going on in Alpharetta.

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However, the 50 foot on the buffer, if we remove that D1 home, we don't have to agree

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to disturb that buffer.

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And then the hammerhead road could be pushed further up in that area.

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It is a small area of land, 10 point something acres, and as many, I don't understand why

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So many homes are being squeezed into that small space.

458
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If we did the one-to-one ratio of homes, single-family homes, that would be fine.

459
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:29,560
A lot of the neighbors that are affected by this did not come tonight.

460
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,720
And they are, to the point, frustrated because there are just too many homes that are opposite them.

461
00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:41,400
When you have two and three homes in your line of sight where you didn't have it before,

462
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:50,520
you had trees and nature. It's just too many homes. So I'm opposed to that. If

463
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,300
there's another plan, and I said it at the planning committee, if there's another

464
00:38:54,300 --> 00:39:02,720
plan that would allow for that D1 home to be removed, the hammerhead could be

465
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:09,440
pushed forward, that would allow less, I believe, runoff because we do have a

466
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,540
water problem, and we've always had a water problem, yes, but I believe that it would

467
00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:23,420
be worse. The more land you try to take away to allow for the runoff of the stream or the

468
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:30,760
creek that's there. So I'm asking you to relook at what's being proposed and maybe

469
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,760
come up with another plan, particularly for the runoff of the lower portion, because

470
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:42,480
yes, it is on a gradient. It's higher and then our homes and the homes that are at that

471
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:54,700
very tip that was not being left alone because it is truly a problem with water would be

472
00:39:54,700 --> 00:40:02,260
resolved if we did less, if we took less of the land to build homes that one home

473
00:40:02,260 --> 00:40:10,020
home is not going to make a difference. And I just feel that there's so much of a financial

474
00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:17,660
issue that's going on with this property that it does not take into consideration what homeowners

475
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:23,380
have lived and enjoyed for, as I said, I've been there 30 years and I know some of the

476
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:29,460
other neighbors who have not shown up tonight. But I've been there for 30 years. And I

477
00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:34,760
know what the environment is like it's not we're not downtown if I wanted to

478
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:42,380
live downtown I would live one mile downtown I chose to have my house built

479
00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:48,940
in an area where it was low density fewer people fewer neighbors not all of

480
00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:55,620
this traffic up and down the road and I just don't understand why we are

481
00:40:55,620 --> 00:41:03,860
taking on this venture, well, I do, from a financial perspective, that the city wins,

482
00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:07,900
the developer wins, but the homeowners don't win.

483
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,020
So there's no win-win for the homeowners.

484
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,720
There may be a win-win for the city.

485
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,400
There may be a win-win for the developer.

486
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,780
So I would like you to think about that before you agree to have this development

487
00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:22,600
go forward.

488
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:23,580
Thank you.

489
00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:29,740
Thank you, ma'am. Is there anyone else that would like to come forward and speak on this

490
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:30,020
matter?

491
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:44,630
Good evening. My name is Shereen Hawk, and thank you so much, Mayor Gilvin, for supporting

492
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:52,830
so far our efforts with the Kimball Corridor Parents Coalition that are very surprised

493
00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:58,970
and very frankly terrified at the current redistricting map that has come out from

494
00:41:58,970 --> 00:42:02,890
the Fulton School Board. I see some of you frowning, so maybe.

495
00:42:03,330 --> 00:42:08,930
No, I just wanted to check right quick. Are you talking about this zoning issue at hand?

496
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:11,310
No. So is this public comment only for that?

497
00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:17,850
Right. This is an opportunity for people to speak on this item. The open public comment

498
00:42:17,850 --> 00:42:19,970
doesn't come towards the end of the meeting.

499
00:42:20,090 --> 00:42:20,290
Okay, all right.

500
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:23,710
So you have your young children, so I don't know whether you'll be able to stay here.

501
00:42:24,070 --> 00:42:24,170
Okay.

502
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:28,370
I appreciate your comments. And if you want to stick around, you're more than welcome

503
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:31,290
Welcome to, but we're trying to make a decision based on this.

504
00:42:31,290 --> 00:42:31,870
I'm so sorry.

505
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:33,010
Thank you very much.

506
00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:33,830
It's quite all right.

507
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:40,930
Was there anyone else that wanted to come forward and speak on this particular item?

508
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:45,850
Seeing none, we'll close public comment.

509
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:50,410
Did the applicant want to rebut?

510
00:43:00,130 --> 00:43:04,030
Just like to make a couple very brief comments and rebuttal.

511
00:43:05,070 --> 00:43:11,050
Most importantly, we completely revamped and redesigned this subdivision

512
00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:15,690
for the benefit of the people in Hunter's Oaks along its boundary.

513
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:22,730
There's 25 foot of what will be re-vegetated buffer to buffer standards.

514
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:28,490
There's a 26 foot road, there's a 26, there's a 20 foot front setback,

515
00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:32,270
and then there's the front of a million dollar home.

516
00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:38,490
Assisting that more is that within that 25 foot re-vegetated buffer,

517
00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:41,190
we've constructed an eight-foot fence.

518
00:43:41,830 --> 00:43:44,930
The sight line from the main floor of any of the homes

519
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:49,270
down along that level will not cause any view whatsoever

520
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:51,430
even into that kind of product.

521
00:43:51,610 --> 00:43:53,550
It's a nice home, but you won't have to look at it.

522
00:43:53,550 --> 00:43:55,550
You'll have an eight-foot fence to go with it there.

523
00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:59,390
If you count the number of lots in Hunter's Oaks

524
00:43:59,390 --> 00:44:01,930
and the number of lots budding the property,

525
00:44:02,170 --> 00:44:03,190
there are 10 of each.

526
00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:06,090
So we have not exceeded a one-to-one ratio.

527
00:44:06,090 --> 00:44:13,270
we have done it as we propose to benefit the people that we're closest to.

528
00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:18,090
So our statement is there that we've tried to be very sensitive.

529
00:44:18,310 --> 00:44:20,230
We've tried to do a lot of things to benefit.

530
00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:28,650
We originally had Home D1 all the way on the left side down there behind the turnabout.

531
00:44:29,250 --> 00:44:35,150
And that was more offensive, so we moved it back up into the development, shortened

532
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:39,650
to turn around and save the substantial number of trees in this area.

533
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:46,290
The last point I'd like to make for you is that Barry Dunlop, our engineer, has designed

534
00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:54,530
this development so that that buffer along Mid-Brawl and then the road catch all of

535
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:59,310
our water and turn it in up into our detention areas.

536
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,940
We don't leak any water onto the part of Hunter's Oaks that may be almost level with us. As I said,

537
00:45:08,060 --> 00:45:12,700
a majority of it flows onto us. We don't have a choice. We get water here. It comes. But

538
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:18,020
down at the bottom there, we are lifting and changing our grading so that whatever hits

539
00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:23,040
in that subdivision will be directed toward the detention pond and on toward the apartments

540
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,960
rather than toward our neighbors further to the left through Hunter's Oaks. So with

541
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,960
That said, we're prepared to close.

542
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,060
I'd be happy to answer any questions that any council member or the mayor might have before I sit down.

543
00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:38,260
Any other questions for the applicant?

544
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:39,740
Councilman Derrida.

545
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:41,700
Thank you, Mayor.

546
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,740
Mr. O'Lata, thanks for your presentation.

547
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:51,660
I also want to thank you and tell brothers for addressing some of the neighbors' concerns.

548
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:59,600
I was part of the Community Information Zoning Meeting initially to listen in and, you know,

549
00:45:59,940 --> 00:46:04,540
suffice to say it was the plans come a long way from the initial plan.

550
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,280
So I appreciate Tobler's listening and making some, you know, significant changes.

551
00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:14,640
With that said, I still have some concerns.

552
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:18,120
I noticed the traffic study wasn't addressed.

553
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:20,020
I'd like that to be addressed in a minute.

554
00:46:20,020 --> 00:46:29,560
but before we get to that, can you speak to Ms. Clarke's comment regarding D1 and why that needs

555
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:35,980
to be there versus encroaching upon the buffer and possibly removing that? Yes, we moved D1 from

556
00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:41,380
where it was down in the corner, where it destroyed more trees and fit completely within the

557
00:46:41,380 --> 00:46:45,720
buffers without any penetration there. And because of the concerns of the neighbors

558
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:53,100
of having homes that far into it. We relocated D1 back uphill into the property and shortened

559
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:58,960
the hammerhead. Now this hammerhead is not a turnaround, Mr. Dorito, where people would come

560
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,360
down there and make a loop and go back out into the street. It's for the purpose of emergency

561
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,540
vehicles, fire trucks, ambulances, and large delivery trucks that might have a problem

562
00:47:08,540 --> 00:47:12,440
turnaround when they deliver the furniture there for the first time. So it's not an

563
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:18,960
obtrusive thing, but we feel like with all of the pluses we have put in with 25 feet

564
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,320
of buffer with an 8 foot fence with moving the homes up that we have done what we need

565
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,920
to do and we have to reach a certain yield there to make the project work.

566
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:31,140
These are wonderful homes.

567
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:33,520
People are standing in line to buy them, even today.

568
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,200
That's alpharetta.

569
00:47:35,740 --> 00:47:40,760
So we would propose that what we have proposed here is an ample solution.

570
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:47,660
It was approved by the Planning Commission two weeks ago, and we think it's a reasonable solution.

571
00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:52,720
I think there was a, I'll ask Mr. Chairman or Kathy that's created.

572
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,700
I think it was a four to two vote, the Planning Commission, but I may be wrong.

573
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:56,520
Six-one.

574
00:47:57,180 --> 00:47:58,020
Six-one.

575
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,400
It was five-one.

576
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:03,580
I did watch the video.

577
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:04,160
It was five-one?

578
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:04,440
Okay.

579
00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:08,780
Mr. Rowlett, I just, I did want you to address the traffic study.

580
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:14,580
There was a reference by Ms. Cook that the initial traffic study was done, I believe in

581
00:48:14,580 --> 00:48:20,820
July during the summer months, and then I think I'm paraphrasing what Ms.

582
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,400
Let me find the right piece of paper.

583
00:48:22,540 --> 00:48:23,620
What Mr. Woodman mentioned.

584
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:25,120
I anticipated your question.

585
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:37,220
And on August the 26th, I believe, a new traffic study was conducted.

586
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:42,480
on Thursday, August 25th, 2022, during schooltimes.

587
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,100
The result of that was there was an increase in total vehicles

588
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:54,340
in a day from 11,728 to 12,776.

589
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:57,820
So we did take the new sample, run the new numbers,

590
00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:02,920
but it doesn't affect the traffic generated in the subdivision.

591
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,780
We had those figures run with 43 total homes.

592
00:49:07,420 --> 00:49:09,320
That was filed with the city as well.

593
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,300
And that's table, which is table two,

594
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,560
shows total new trips in the AM peak hour

595
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:22,060
of six in and 19 out for a total of 25 trips.

596
00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:26,020
On that same chart on the PM peak hour,

597
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,340
it shows a total of 21 trips in

598
00:49:29,340 --> 00:49:33,380
and 12 out for a total of 33.

599
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,760
So you have 25 peak hour trips in and 33 out.

600
00:49:38,020 --> 00:49:40,160
Based on what's going on in that area,

601
00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:42,300
those are insignificant numbers

602
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:45,900
and they didn't justify a right turn in lane.

603
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,000
They certainly justified the left turn in.

604
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,040
It's important there with the amount of traffic

605
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,640
that's on Midbrawl Road.

606
00:49:52,180 --> 00:49:54,860
But the numbers from the traffic specialist,

607
00:49:54,860 --> 00:50:02,160
Mr. Arkampora said that there's no use losing all of that vegetation and sidewalks and bushes

608
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:08,060
on the front to bring a right turn lane in because so little of the traffic is coming

609
00:50:08,060 --> 00:50:13,680
in from that side. It's 80% the other way and 20% that way. So those were the figures.

610
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:19,440
Those items should be in your report. If not, I'll be glad to lend you my copy.

611
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:19,500
Okay.

612
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:22,060
Thank you.

613
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:26,420
Councilman Biner.

614
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:29,460
Mr. Royder, I apologize.

615
00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:32,340
I was running in late trying to get acclimated here.

616
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:39,320
The buffer for the D1 side, let's say, the height, I don't know the topography of that,

617
00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:45,980
but the height of that between the new homes and the existing homes, is there going to

618
00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:49,880
be any problems say if somebody is backing into their garage like I do and my wife makes

619
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,980
fun of me all the time for but of headlights going into the house or

620
00:50:53,980 --> 00:51:00,620
the level and the garages there's those will be front entry garages and

621
00:51:01,220 --> 00:51:06,820
and they're at like say a minimum of 71 feet from the property line so you'll

622
00:51:06,820 --> 00:51:12,640
come down the road if you're coming down the road Hunter's Oaks is to your

623
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,240
left you got the buffer you got the road and then the house is on the

624
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:22,300
right. So you'll turn it into the garage there, the headlights, and I will be going into the

625
00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:22,580
garage.

626
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:31,380
Not if it's me, but I say that in justice, just one example. I want to make sure, as a

627
00:51:31,380 --> 00:51:35,640
property owner, they have a right to build, and so you can't always have a nature preserve

628
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:40,780
in your backyard, but it also means that you shouldn't have headlights hidden, a kitchen

629
00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:44,180
or a second to the second floor or anything.

630
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,100
So I understand the buffer the width on there,

631
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,720
but as far as height to make sure that there's...

632
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:53,580
Well, there'll be an 8-foot fence abutting Hunter's Oaks.

633
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,840
And so the ones down low, the one homeowner

634
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,100
who expressed her dislike and complained

635
00:52:00,650 --> 00:52:03,620
is just about on the level with the houses

636
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:04,880
that will be across the street.

637
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:07,560
And with an 8-foot fence within that buffer,

638
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,400
she shouldn't see anything on the bottom floor.

639
00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:16,440
And on the lighting there, we will take the lighting and direct it down into the property

640
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,820
so that you don't get any bleed.

641
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,240
That's pretty good science now.

642
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:23,920
We've been doing that 20 years, but that will also be a consideration so that we don't

643
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,700
have any problems.

644
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:30,260
I'm not sure if I'm going to have a comment, but I do appreciate what you have done in

645
00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:34,520
the applicant as far as working with the concerned homeowners.

646
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:40,740
owners, and you guys have done a good job of evolving this application as much as reasonably

647
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:41,200
possible.

648
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:47,400
So I've seen it go stonewall, and I've seen it where people work together, so thank you.

649
00:52:51,830 --> 00:52:56,810
Mr. Woodman, I've got a question I meant to ask you earlier just to clarify.

650
00:52:59,390 --> 00:53:02,930
Mentioned that the property is zoned commercial.

651
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:10,090
was that C1 or C2 and if you could elaborate on what the potential by right uses for that

652
00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:10,790
parcel are?

653
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:25,220
Yes, Mayor. The property currently has zoning of C2, so general commercial. It's about

654
00:53:25,220 --> 00:53:31,000
it's on this piece here. There's a diamond shaped piece right about here. It's about

655
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:37,560
an acre, a little less than an acre that's O&I. And then the tail end has the for-rent

656
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:43,200
zoning on at the R10M on this piece right back here but the bulk of this

657
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:51,360
property right here is C2 general commercial auto service type uses gas

658
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:56,020
station that's an allowable use within C2 so it is the heavy commercial zoning

659
00:53:56,020 --> 00:54:01,500
district. Would that be conditional uses? So gas station is allowed by right

660
00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:04,540
All right, auto repair is allowed by right in C2.

661
00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:07,710
Anything else?

662
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:16,230
There's quite a few, anything that's allowed in C1 is allowed here so any retail use, restaurant

663
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:23,650
use is allowed by right, C2 you can have a restaurant with drive-through, a car wash

664
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:30,630
is conditional in C2, a variety of heavy commercial uses.

665
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:34,010
Yeah, I was just trying to frame in my mind the potential uses.

666
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:35,290
Okay, thank you.

667
00:54:37,590 --> 00:54:38,210
Councilman Mitchell.

668
00:54:38,910 --> 00:54:39,050
Thank you.

669
00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:40,330
I have a question for you as well.

670
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:44,690
Are you all comfortable as a staff with the water runoff and the plan that's laid

671
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:44,930
out?

672
00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:49,110
And so, our stormwater engineer did review this application.

673
00:54:49,630 --> 00:54:55,570
She was also involved in the meeting that we had with Hunter's Oaks folks and, yeah,

674
00:54:55,610 --> 00:54:56,990
she has signed off on this.

675
00:54:56,990 --> 00:55:02,130
any conditions that she felt that were needed with this development would have been included

676
00:55:02,130 --> 00:55:07,590
within the conditions. But, yes, she has signed off on this and she didn't find that there

677
00:55:07,590 --> 00:55:09,550
were any particular problems.

678
00:55:10,290 --> 00:55:18,370
Okay. And a follow-up on Jimmy's question. It's also allowed by right, the rental across

679
00:55:18,370 --> 00:55:18,890
the front.

680
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:29,380
The rental zoning, so the R10M zoning, which is the same zoning that the Lex has,

681
00:55:29,380 --> 00:55:32,040
is just on this tailpiece on the back.

682
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,900
There's a question of whether that zoning is even there.

683
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:41,720
I went through the history of this property.

684
00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:45,500
This property is referred to as the Territude property.

685
00:55:45,940 --> 00:55:48,440
It is associated with the Lex property,

686
00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:50,920
goes back to the 60s the zoning does.

687
00:55:51,780 --> 00:55:54,200
There was some dispute over the zoning,

688
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,240
whether it was C1 or C2 zoning

689
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:57,520
that was on this property.

690
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:03,800
and in fact, the state of Georgia's Supreme Court weighed in on this, and it was determined

691
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,140
that it was C2 zoning.

692
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,760
So there's a variety of zoning here.

693
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:12,960
Yes, we did identify R10M, which does allow for a run product back here, but there's

694
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,800
a question of whether that's really there.

695
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,280
That zoning is really there on this tail end piece here or not.

696
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,760
But there is definitely C2 zoning.

697
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:25,140
It's not that far-fetched considering the Lex is right there.

698
00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:25,700
Correct.

699
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:30,700
In fact, we believe the R10 entitlement was probably covered by the LEX development and

700
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:32,320
not zoning is probably incorrect.

701
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:38,440
We went back through old zoning maps and I wasn't able to find a situation where that

702
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,700
R10M wasn't there, so I had to leave it.

703
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:46,700
So if this is approved tonight, it will convert to the new zoning in perpetuity.

704
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:53,560
So yes, so if it were approved, the recommendation is for R for A slash D, so the zoning

705
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,660
would apply to this entire property.

706
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:58,280
Thank you.

707
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,780
Councilman Byter.

708
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:10,100
Just to back up on the question I have with Mr. Rolater, as far as making sure there's

709
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:16,400
no intrusion of light or anything to the existing neighborhoods, is there something like when

710
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:21,700
we have new developments come up and we see that there is an issue, sometimes deciduous

711
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:27,960
trees where they're full leaves when you bite and almost some fall happens and you can see

712
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:34,040
through everything. Do we have anything protecting those existing neighbors that if there is

713
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:39,720
an issue that we can put some kind of screen buffer height-wise, not between the houses?

714
00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:49,240
So our code says that buffers be replanted where sparse and the replantings would consist

715
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,820
of primarily evergreen, 80% evergreen, 20% deciduous.

716
00:57:54,600 --> 00:58:00,120
So the buffer, the requirement to replant that we're sparse, of course, would apply to

717
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,760
this buffer adjacent to the LEX.

718
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:07,580
This buffer that the developer has agreed to provide here adjacent to Hunter's Oaks,

719
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,500
that will be planted to our buffer standards as well.

720
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:10,980
Perfect.

721
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:11,560
Thank you, sir.

722
00:58:15,110 --> 00:58:15,850
Any other questions?

723
00:58:16,570 --> 00:58:17,170
Councilman Dorito.

724
00:58:18,250 --> 00:58:18,670
Thank you, Mayor.

725
00:58:18,670 --> 00:58:23,430
Just a quick question on the eight-foot fencing, there doesn't seem to be any

726
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:31,330
conditions that require the aesthetics of the fence. When I hear eight-foot

727
00:58:31,330 --> 00:58:36,350
fence it sounds like a wooden wall to me, which is not aesthetically pleasing

728
00:58:36,350 --> 00:58:41,650
particularly over time. I don't think the neighbors would, you know, appreciate

729
00:58:41,650 --> 00:58:47,430
over a period of time when it starts aging. Was there any thought given to

730
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:55,450
a decorative fencing with kind of what Councillor Bind alluded to with some evergreens of trees

731
00:58:55,450 --> 00:59:02,170
that actually are 8 foot tall, that in the combination will maintain the aesthetics of

732
00:59:02,170 --> 00:59:08,070
the green space back there versus a solid wall between the two developments.

733
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:11,850
I think that question would be best for the applicant.

734
00:59:12,350 --> 00:59:16,850
The fencing requirement is in a city code requirement, so we only have it in the

735
00:59:16,850 --> 00:59:20,850
conditions because the applicant has made that agreement with Hunter's Oaks, so we want

736
00:59:20,850 --> 00:59:25,710
to capture it. But I do agree with you. The privacy fences, the wooden privacy fences,

737
00:59:25,890 --> 00:59:29,770
they do gray out over time, but it might be a question for them.

738
00:59:30,550 --> 00:59:35,950
Mr. Rito, I'd be happy to answer it. In one of the conditions, it was added for the

739
00:59:35,950 --> 00:59:40,850
benefit of the Hunter's Oaks people. In the end of condition number one, it says

740
00:59:40,850 --> 00:59:47,410
The fence shall be finished on both sides and be located interior to the development property line

741
00:59:47,410 --> 00:59:53,390
The purpose of that is to provide an attractive item there. The city has buffer

742
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:59,530
Standards that are defined. I think Michael was talking about the 80 percent evergreen 20 percent deciduous

743
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,460
That kind of thing, so what we anticipate there is a fairly solid screen because it is as beneficial to our homeowners as it is to the people and hunters folks.

744
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:17,120
It will be controlled by the city. It's as approved by staff, I believe. If not, we're certainly happy to make it as approved by staff.

745
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:22,470
Would that be, that would be agreeable to the applicant?

746
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:25,210
Did you make it approved by staff?

747
01:00:27,130 --> 01:00:33,530
Any other reasons I said, by the time this gets approved and told Brothers Moves forward with it,

748
01:00:34,310 --> 01:00:38,250
I know if my home was there, I'd be looking for more of a decorative looking fence

749
01:00:38,250 --> 01:00:42,270
that blends in with the natural environment behind my home,

750
01:00:42,270 --> 01:00:45,550
versus a wooden, basically, fence.

751
01:00:45,850 --> 01:00:48,910
We had originally proposed a fence like that

752
01:00:48,910 --> 01:00:55,370
because we used one over on the east side in a recent zoning for Toe Brothers. We have

753
01:00:55,370 --> 01:01:01,950
an aluminum decorative fence product that looks like wrought iron, and it's more durable.

754
01:01:03,330 --> 01:01:08,810
And that was discussed early with this, but then when the need came for concerns about

755
01:01:08,810 --> 01:01:14,350
lighting, for concerns about noise, for concerns about lots of other things, we offered

756
01:01:14,350 --> 01:01:21,030
for the 8-foot wooden fence, and that was really the choice of the Hunter's Oaks people.

757
01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:26,150
So we didn't think it up, but we're more than happy to build it, and if it's finished

758
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:28,530
on both sides and properly painted, it'll be fine.

759
01:01:29,370 --> 01:01:34,530
But that was, that wasn't, we offered that as an additional solution, which they accept.

760
01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:39,130
We, Ms. Related Member, we went through this discussion with the other toll brothers,

761
01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:44,330
Bellino from Kimberlidge Road there, and they end up putting the what iron, decorative fence

762
01:01:44,330 --> 01:01:47,210
that we talked about with the nice evergreens and all that.

763
01:01:47,570 --> 01:01:51,670
I just throw it out to the hunters' oaks people that maybe they're not thinking about that,

764
01:01:51,790 --> 01:01:55,830
they're just thinking of trying to protect their homes, and I fully understand that.

765
01:01:56,110 --> 01:02:02,010
But I think there's a better way that would actually enhance the buffer, the so-called

766
01:02:02,610 --> 01:02:10,410
wall between the two developments, but also give that kind of natural environment and actually

767
01:02:10,410 --> 01:02:12,150
beautify it behind their homes, frankly.

768
01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:17,010
So I would like actually some flexibilities, the Hunter Oaks people along with Tollbethers

769
01:02:17,010 --> 01:02:21,430
could work with the city staff to make sure we put the right wall there, if I can call

770
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:21,730
it that.

771
01:02:22,070 --> 01:02:25,830
We negotiated this with them in good faith, and it's what they asked for.

772
01:02:26,250 --> 01:02:30,610
If they choose to change it down the road before we construct it, I'm sure we'd

773
01:02:30,610 --> 01:02:34,450
be happy to re-address that with them. We're comfortable with building either fence. The

774
01:02:34,450 --> 01:02:41,530
one will soon go up over on the other side, on the east side. So it was a concession

775
01:02:41,530 --> 01:02:43,630
to meet their concerns. Thank you.

776
01:02:46,670 --> 01:02:48,730
Any other questions from council at this time?

777
01:02:52,450 --> 01:02:53,030
So we've

778
01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:58,330
already had public comment. We'll have a motion from council. Yes, Mr. Mayor, tonight

779
01:02:58,330 --> 01:03:14,890
I'd like to offer a motion for approval of public hearing on CLUP-22-03-Z-22-11-V-22-20-mid-Broadwell

780
01:03:14,890 --> 01:03:20,850
residential with the 23 conditions presented tonight by staff and the additional seven

781
01:03:20,850 --> 01:03:26,230
conditions presented tonight by staff in conjunction with the Hunter's Oak neighborhood.

782
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:39,120
I'm going to take time to repeat a lot of what was said, but if you pull it all together,

783
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:45,200
the common theme was that they work together. It's a very difficult piece of property. A

784
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,980
combination of things. One, folks that are already stakeholders in the area, they have

785
01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:56,940
some rights. And I think that these guys showed great respect for those rights and

786
01:03:56,940 --> 01:04:01,700
discussions and what y'all are able to put together considering the size of the neighborhood

787
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:04,520
and the amount of people that are still not happy.

788
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,220
I'll be looking to make sure, ma'am, that I forgot Ms. Clark.

789
01:04:11,060 --> 01:04:14,080
If any of this goes the way it's not supposed to go, let us know.

790
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,120
If you don't get the fence you were told, if you don't get the greenage you were told,

791
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:23,760
our phone numbers are out there, so feel free to use us if you need to hold some

792
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,240
accountability as well as anybody else in this, in any project that we do in the city.

793
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,120
So I do want to commend both sides because, again, it's a very difficult piece of property

794
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:38,200
and that property owner has the right to try to do something with it and I think really

795
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:43,560
you're going to be happy that it was a medium density residential versus, you know, what

796
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:48,460
he may be forced to put there or, you know, his next generation may come in, you know,

797
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,260
if that property gets passed down in the family they're just looking to get paid.

798
01:04:52,260 --> 01:04:57,360
So, I think it was a great idea and it's going to be an amazing addition to that part of the city.

799
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:00,460
Councilman Heights.

800
01:05:02,820 --> 01:05:03,660
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

801
01:05:04,820 --> 01:05:17,640
I think this is a great looking project and I just wanted to say I'm historically very, very reluctant to make changes to the comprehensive land use plan and I'm always seeking for that elusive, compelling reason.

802
01:05:18,340 --> 01:05:24,720
I'm proud to say, in my own subjective opinion, this is the compelling reason to change the

803
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:25,420
land use plan.

804
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:33,660
A commercial designation surrounded by R-15 and an apartment complex seems like a unicorn

805
01:05:33,660 --> 01:05:40,080
sitting over there on that side of the city, and I can't speak to whether each individual

806
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,080
and Hunter's Oak and surrounding area will be happy with what gets built.

807
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:50,680
I hope and believe that they will be, but going through the list as the mayor had alluded

808
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:55,360
to what commercial uses could be built there as a matter of right with the owner of the

809
01:05:55,360 --> 01:06:00,380
property never having come before council, the one that made me smile as you could

810
01:06:00,380 --> 01:06:04,980
have a bowling alley right next to you over there as a commercial use, then there's

811
01:06:04,980 --> 01:06:06,380
a long, long, long list.

812
01:06:06,380 --> 01:06:14,380
So, you know, my comment tonight is I wish everybody well, I appreciate how the applicant

813
01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:22,520
and a deeply rooted neighborhood in our city work together on this, and this is that compelling

814
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,320
reason for a land use plan change that I'm happy to support.

815
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:39,160
Yes, I echo Councilman Hype's comments as well, basically taking a piece of commercially

816
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:46,560
zoned property and making it medium density residential, which I think is a great change

817
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,320
to that piece of property.

818
01:06:49,780 --> 01:06:57,440
Again going back to the initial application of vision for this project that told Brothers

819
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:02,680
brought forth my personal opinions that would have never been passed by our

820
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:07,560
planning mission of this council and a lot of those issues were addressed and

821
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,780
it's always nice when a developer works with the community to come up with a

822
01:07:10,780 --> 01:07:15,540
you know an acceptable plan that meets everybody's needs and addresses their

823
01:07:15,540 --> 01:07:20,260
concerns. We're up here to represent the folks from Hunter's Oaks and the

824
01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:24,940
people reside around there. When I drive over there and I look around the

825
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:29,680
area when I was preparing for this. It's a beautiful part of the city as everybody knows.

826
01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:36,540
And it is a transitional point from downtown area of Alpharetta. And so, you know, the

827
01:07:36,540 --> 01:07:42,860
density itself was a concern from day one. I think Toll Brothers did a good job in addressing

828
01:07:42,860 --> 01:07:47,740
that and bringing the density down to lessen the impact on the traffic issues we already

829
01:07:47,740 --> 01:07:52,420
have in that area. And it's now going to be up to the city of this thing as realized,

830
01:07:52,420 --> 01:07:57,500
and I'm sure it will be to make sure that we address any sort of traffic improvements

831
01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:01,600
in that area, because we're going to set up here and approve projects like this.

832
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:07,460
We also need to be prepared to address any accompanying issues that are caused by things

833
01:08:07,460 --> 01:08:08,060
that we approve.

834
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:13,460
So we do have some traffic over there today, and we will probably need to address it.

835
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:17,760
I know Pete Sukovitz and his team is always looking at that stuff, and we've talked

836
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:22,460
about it, Pete, as far as the current situation there and what could happen in the future.

837
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:24,540
So we're on top of that already.

838
01:08:24,980 --> 01:08:30,540
But I wanted to thank the neighbors out there that we represent for working well with Toll

839
01:08:30,540 --> 01:08:34,520
Brothers and bringing it to this point and prepared to support this this evening.

840
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:35,200
Thank you.

841
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:38,840
Any other comments from Council?

842
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,500
I'll just say one quick thing.

843
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,640
I appreciate both the homeowners that came forward and spoke.

844
01:08:45,220 --> 01:08:48,680
I know that takes a lot of courage for most people to come down to a City Council

845
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:56,740
meeting and stand up and talk to us. Unfortunately, with only two people speaking and both of them

846
01:08:56,740 --> 01:09:04,800
having different points of view it wasn't really decisive in my decision because both of you

847
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:15,700
are adjacent property owners and so I kind of have to go back to the fact that I've seen

848
01:09:15,700 --> 01:09:21,640
Zoning Decisions where residents were happy when they left here and it wasn't zoned a

849
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:27,160
certain way behind their houses and then two years later something came back and they were

850
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:27,940
not happy.

851
01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:35,720
And so especially with something with a commercial zoning back there, I think they could do

852
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,400
it and we wouldn't have any conditions.

853
01:09:37,980 --> 01:09:40,360
We wouldn't be able to get them to plan anything.

854
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,720
We wouldn't be able to require anything because if it's owned by right

855
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:52,900
They don't there's nothing we can do about conditions because they don't need a rezoning and so that's why I support this application

856
01:09:54,200 --> 01:10:02,740
That being said in the matter of cl up dash 22 dash o 3 slash z dash 2 2 dash 1 1

857
01:10:02,740 --> 01:10:06,120
V dash 2 2 dash 2 oh

858
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:12,040
mid-broadball residential motion was to approve with conditions as outlined by

859
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:16,760
Mayor Pro Tem Merkel. All those in favor please vote yes otherwise vote accordingly.

860
01:10:19,220 --> 01:10:20,700
And it does pass unanimously.

861
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,640
If I could I apologize on my my later arrival here.

862
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:34,260
I had to do I had a last-minute pickup for my daughter at soccer practice but on that note

863
01:10:35,460 --> 01:10:39,500
this young lady here I would like to see if I can make a motion

864
01:10:39,500 --> 01:10:43,260
and so that she can participate in the civic process

865
01:10:43,260 --> 01:10:44,900
and she can get her kids to bed early in there.

866
01:10:45,580 --> 01:10:47,960
So I'd like to make a motion to amend the agenda

867
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,020
for public comment and to move it up next

868
01:10:50,020 --> 01:10:51,080
and hopefully get a second.

869
01:10:52,220 --> 01:10:55,260
I was going to ask the public if they minded

870
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:58,200
if I allowed this young mother to come forward anyway.

871
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,600
We can do it formally if we'd like, but

872
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:04,770
please come forward.

873
01:11:05,090 --> 01:11:07,450
We typically allow three minutes for a public comment.

874
01:11:07,930 --> 01:11:08,030
I

875
01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:13,350
want to apologize first of all

876
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:15,910
for causing a little bit of a problem.

877
01:11:16,650 --> 01:11:18,690
It's okay, it's always good to see new faces.

878
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:22,750
Okay, well, councilmen and women,

879
01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:26,910
we are so thankful that several of you have communicated

880
01:11:26,910 --> 01:11:30,310
with us your support of the concern

881
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:33,090
over the Fulton County School Board redistricting process.

882
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:36,830
We, as parents, got involved back in August.

883
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:40,870
In September, we were apprised of how this would work.

884
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:46,730
work. We were told by the Fulton County School Board that their primary agenda would be to

885
01:11:46,730 --> 01:11:53,710
offload or rebalance elementary school capacity and to look at the opening of Crabapple Middle

886
01:11:53,710 --> 01:12:00,210
School. We have reached out to our school board member. We've been very engaged in

887
01:12:00,210 --> 01:12:04,250
the process. We have attended all the meetings and we've had a very active level of community

888
01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:10,490
engagement. On Tuesday, October 18th, our entire life turned upside down when all

889
01:12:10,490 --> 01:12:17,230
of the maps that were presented at round two, they were not represented in map four.

890
01:12:17,950 --> 01:12:24,650
So along Kimball Bridge, which is a 2.6 mile stretch of road, they have divided the community

891
01:12:25,130 --> 01:12:31,790
in a very choppy way where one neighborhood on one side of the street will attend Haines

892
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:36,070
Bridge Middle School and Centennial High School. The neighbors across the street

893
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:39,410
will attend OC, Webbridge, and Alpharetta High School.

894
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:44,470
Currently, this plan is dividing friends

895
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:47,870
who have been together, you know,

896
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:49,550
I'm trying not to cry, but families.

897
01:12:51,550 --> 01:12:55,830
I moved to Alpharetta for a lot of reasons.

898
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:57,330
I'm an anesthesiologist.

899
01:12:57,570 --> 01:12:58,590
I practice medicine.

900
01:12:59,110 --> 01:13:00,710
I have a very stressful life.

901
01:13:01,450 --> 01:13:04,390
I tried to cohort my children's schools,

902
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:13,210
schools, their activities, my job. So if this plan goes through, we can't attend after school

903
01:13:13,210 --> 01:13:18,210
activities because we don't have neighborhood carpal and there's no public bus to take the

904
01:13:18,210 --> 01:13:24,350
children to any of the activities after school. Just a few weeks ago when my nanny was sick,

905
01:13:24,970 --> 01:13:29,690
one of my daughter's friend's mother was able to pick her up and take her to school.

906
01:13:29,690 --> 01:13:34,570
otherwise I wouldn't have had the means to take her to school. She's not really

907
01:13:34,570 --> 01:13:39,670
willing to get on a school bus and there's a whole lot of reasons why. Later on

908
01:13:39,670 --> 01:13:44,610
as she ages that'll change but right at this point she's not. There's a lot of

909
01:13:44,610 --> 01:13:49,270
kids who have special needs who may not want to get on a school bus and get

910
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:53,710
on a school bus for 35 to 40 minutes. There are siblings that can't attend

911
01:13:53,710 --> 01:13:58,970
the same school with their sibling. There are so many social problems that

912
01:13:58,970 --> 01:14:04,230
will come. And we can't understand the benefit. We simply can't. We can't find how the math

913
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:09,710
justifies this kind of community disruption. When we look at the data for Webbridge, we

914
01:14:09,710 --> 01:14:14,690
don't see a clear pattern of overcrowding. When we look at the enrollment numbers and

915
01:14:14,690 --> 01:14:20,250
the birth rates, we see a declining enrollment. And we really are confused and we really

916
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:24,870
respect the Fulton County Board of Education. We respect their process. We are just

917
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:30,330
confused and we are scared because November 8th, we don't have the opportunity to give

918
01:14:30,330 --> 01:14:35,690
any more input. This map came so late in the process. It came on a Tuesday morning and

919
01:14:35,690 --> 01:14:41,130
feedback closed the following day at midnight. And there's no more community engagement.

920
01:14:41,370 --> 01:14:46,650
They're going to present whatever attendance zone they come up with to the board. And

921
01:14:46,650 --> 01:14:51,830
then it's a vote. So we as parents, I mean, we formed a coalition. It's called Keeping

922
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:58,930
Kimball Bridge kids together. We got 200 members and 48 hours. We have 800 signatures on a

923
01:14:58,930 --> 01:14:59,890
petition that was started.

924
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,500
On Friday, we are panicked. We have members that have, you know, completely fallen apart.

925
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,220
And we think this is unfair and this is not the right thing to do. And this is not the

926
01:15:12,220 --> 01:15:18,000
right time to do two years after the pandemic already disrupted these children in so many

927
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:24,500
ways. Why are we isolating these pocket of children? Why are we causing more problems

928
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:31,120
then we're solving. Is this really necessary? Can they show us the case? Can they explain

929
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:36,940
to us how they got there? Can they provide us a traffic study? Can they provide us, you

930
01:15:36,940 --> 01:15:41,720
know, the promise that if they do this, then there will be public transportation for all

931
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:47,600
the elements of public education, not just the school day. So if you will write your

932
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,720
letters, we're going through the process, we're trying to stay positive, we are

933
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,060
are linking out neighbor to neighbor

934
01:15:53,060 --> 01:15:56,360
and we're not saying anything negative about the process.

935
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,080
We don't want overcrowded schools.

936
01:15:58,540 --> 01:16:00,500
We agree, Creekview is overcrowded.

937
01:16:00,820 --> 01:16:01,860
Rebalance Creekview.

938
01:16:02,260 --> 01:16:05,500
But please don't tear this community up.

939
01:16:05,620 --> 01:16:06,900
I love Alpharetta.

940
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:09,520
It has been an amazing experience.

941
01:16:10,220 --> 01:16:11,780
So help us to stay here.

942
01:16:12,740 --> 01:16:13,340
Thank you.

943
01:16:14,620 --> 01:16:15,260
Thank you.

944
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:27,260
So next item up on our public hearing agenda

945
01:16:27,260 --> 01:16:34,040
is CU-22-08, Pavlova by Marion, 302 North Main Street.

946
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:51,060
Thank you, Mayor and Council.

947
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,340
The next item before you is the conditional use

948
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,620
to allow a bakery and restaurant

949
01:16:57,380 --> 01:17:00,720
in a 1,648 square foot suite

950
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,940
in an existing two-story building in the downtown overlay.

951
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,980
The conditional use is for Pavlova by Marion.

952
01:17:08,820 --> 01:17:12,200
The business will serve as a coffee shop and bakery.

953
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,080
Coffee shop in our zoning is categorized as a restaurant.

954
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:25,480
Property owner intends to utilize the second floor of the building, a two-story building

955
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:29,080
for their professional office, which is a permitted use on this property.

956
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,460
Do you have the location map on the overhead?

957
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,660
The property is located at 302 North Main Street.

958
01:17:34,660 --> 01:17:38,940
This is on the west side of North Main Street and north of Mayfield Road.

959
01:17:40,380 --> 01:17:46,600
Property is about .38 acres, so an O&I office institutional.

960
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:52,660
It was developed in 1955 as a two-story, just under 3,000 square foot duplex.

961
01:17:52,820 --> 01:17:57,760
So it was being rented as basically apartment, two apartment units.

962
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:04,800
And the building on the property was developed at the rear of the property.

963
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:06,900
So here is the site plan.

964
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,680
This is North Main Street frontage here.

965
01:18:11,460 --> 01:18:16,040
And the building is all the way on the back side of the property, this existing building.

966
01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:27,100
Pavlova by Marion is a new concept serving baked goods, coffee, and other prepared foods.

967
01:18:27,100 --> 01:18:32,340
The applicant is proposing to utilize the first floor of this building.

968
01:18:33,460 --> 01:18:35,280
There will be a service area.

969
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:41,480
The applicant did provide some floor plans as well as a new elevation.

970
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,020
They're going to spruce up the front elevation of the building.

971
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:50,280
And this is the proposed first floor plan here.

972
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,620
There will be about a service area that's about 400 square feet.

973
01:18:54,620 --> 01:18:56,960
so we have minimal tables and chairs.

974
01:18:58,220 --> 01:19:05,100
Hours of operation are Sunday through Wednesday 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. and then Thursday through

975
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:07,400
Saturday 8 a.m. to 9 p.m.

976
01:19:08,780 --> 01:19:13,040
And the applicant anticipate approximately three employees for the business.

977
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,960
Going back to the site plan, there are 16 parking spaces on this plan.

978
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:26,620
the use for the bakery and restaurant as well as for the office space up above

979
01:19:26,620 --> 01:19:31,300
would in the downtown the requirement is seven parking spaces so they do comply

980
01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:36,620
with parking. They do have the applicant property owners not the

981
01:19:36,620 --> 01:19:39,620
applicant but the property owners do have some future plans they're not

982
01:19:39,620 --> 01:19:43,040
ready to bring that forward yet but they would like to develop a building

983
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:48,640
at the front of this property sometime in the future and they would have to

984
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,880
come back through the process to do that.

985
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,820
Of course, we looked at the conditional use against the established review criteria.

986
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:03,940
We believe the proposed use would be compatible with surrounding uses, which are similarly

987
01:20:03,940 --> 01:20:07,700
situated along commercial areas and in downtowns.

988
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,920
We believe the applicant's business will add to the variety of bakeries and restaurant

989
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,260
offerings in the downtown.

990
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:23,020
We did show this applicant's request to the public at the September 9th Community Zoning Information Meeting.

991
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,260
There was one public comment in support of the request.

992
01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:33,170
And then this item went to the Planning Commission on October 6th.

993
01:20:33,170 --> 01:20:36,090
Staff recommended approval subject to six conditions.

994
01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:38,790
There were no public comments at Planning Commission.

995
01:20:39,330 --> 01:20:44,770
And Planning Commission recommended unanimous approval subject to staff's recommended conditions.

996
01:20:44,770 --> 01:20:48,690
and they did make a change to the hours of operation at the applicant's

997
01:20:48,690 --> 01:20:56,270
request. Staff Planning Commission recommendation is to approve CU 22-08

998
01:20:56,270 --> 01:21:00,270
Pavlova-Bimerian slash 302 North Main Street subject to the following

999
01:21:00,270 --> 01:21:05,030
conditions. One restaurant and bakery shall be added as conditional use at

1000
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:11,530
302 North Main Street and limited to no more than 1,648 square feet. Two

1001
01:21:11,530 --> 01:21:14,790
Two conditional use approval shall be limited to Pavlova by Marion.

1002
01:21:15,410 --> 01:21:19,750
No additional restaurant or bakery uses or sub-leasing shall be permitted within the

1003
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:20,430
approved space.

1004
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:26,610
Three hours of operation shall be limited to Sunday through Wednesday 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

1005
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:31,010
Thursday through Saturday 8 a.m. to 9 p.m.

1006
01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:35,930
Four developers shall provide the required 10-foot landscape strip along the property

1007
01:21:35,930 --> 01:21:40,490
frontage, parking lot landscaping and 5-foot landscape strips along the north and

1008
01:21:40,490 --> 01:21:42,810
and south property lines as approved by DRB.

1009
01:21:43,730 --> 01:21:46,070
Five is the site plan specific condition,

1010
01:21:46,330 --> 01:21:51,590
tying it to the grade engineering site plan dated 921, 2022.

1011
01:21:52,830 --> 01:21:56,790
And six is the change to the front building facade,

1012
01:21:57,550 --> 01:21:59,850
tying it to the elevation prepared

1013
01:21:59,850 --> 01:22:03,450
by HRIM Design LLC dated 411, 2022

1014
01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:05,390
with final approval by DRB.

1015
01:22:05,490 --> 01:22:08,690
This is on Main Street, so it would go to design review board

1016
01:22:08,690 --> 01:22:14,930
As well as being in the downtown and that concludes the presentation. If you have questions, I'm happy to answer those

1017
01:22:16,370 --> 01:22:17,250
Councilman Hubs

1018
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:21,330
Mr. Woodman, it's an it's an interesting

1019
01:22:21,330 --> 01:22:28,950
Piece of property when you do a street view from Highway 9 how far back it sits almost all to the rear setback

1020
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:34,790
Which my question is are you aware of any comments pro or con from the?

1021
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:40,870
property owner that's behind them on Canton Street. It looks to me like 319

1022
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:47,170
Canton Street. So I have not received any comments from the public sent to me by

1023
01:22:47,170 --> 01:22:51,770
email. We did receive one comment in support at the community zoning

1024
01:22:51,770 --> 01:22:56,230
information meeting. I'm not sure if that who that came from that particular

1025
01:22:56,230 --> 01:23:01,490
comment but I'm not aware that we have received any comments for against from

1026
01:23:01,490 --> 01:23:04,630
that property owner but to your knowledge it was properly noticed for the

1027
01:23:04,630 --> 01:23:10,610
community yes yes it was appreciate it thanks any other questions from

1028
01:23:10,610 --> 01:23:18,490
council did the applicant bring any samples tonight for the audience no any

1029
01:23:18,490 --> 01:23:25,030
other questions from council see none this is shock tank now thank you mr.

1030
01:23:25,130 --> 01:23:29,470
women welcome with the applicant like to come forward at this time my

1031
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:34,800
name is

1032
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:41,620
Mary and and I'm used here to answer any questions that you have and I didn't bring

1033
01:23:41,620 --> 01:23:49,980
nothing but you can go and visit me when I open yeah you can visit the place any

1034
01:23:49,980 --> 01:23:56,080
questions for the applicant thank you Mary public

1035
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,800
comment cards we do not Mr.

1036
01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:06,160
Mayor however if anyone would like to come forward and speak on this item now

1037
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:12,020
is your chance to do so. Seeing none, we'll close public comment. Do I have a motion from

1038
01:24:12,020 --> 01:24:20,060
Council? Yes, Mr. Mayor, I'd offer a motion tonight to approve CU-22-08, Pav Lava by Marion

1039
01:24:20,060 --> 01:24:26,080
slash 302 North Main Street as presented tonight with the six conditions. Second? I'll second.

1040
01:24:26,740 --> 01:24:31,880
Have a motion by Mayor Pro Tem Merkle, a second by Councilman Dorito by a noes.

1041
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:34,980
Any discussion?

1042
01:24:34,980 --> 01:24:35,660
All

1043
01:24:38,410 --> 01:24:44,790
those in favor of the motion to approve CU-22-08,

1044
01:24:44,990 --> 01:24:47,910
Pavlova, Bimmerian, 302 North Main Street,

1045
01:24:48,490 --> 01:24:51,250
with the conditions as outlined by Mayor Pro Tem Merkle,

1046
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:53,750
please vote yes, otherwise vote accordingly.

1047
01:24:54,770 --> 01:24:56,110
And it does pass unanimously.

1048
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:56,930
Congratulations.

1049
01:24:59,990 --> 01:25:05,490
Final public hearing item this evening will be CU-22-07

1050
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:11,050
media care slash 0 North Main Street.

1051
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:12,650
Director and

1052
01:25:14,890 --> 01:25:17,030
housekeeping note.

1053
01:25:17,670 --> 01:25:24,050
I believe we will go ahead now that we have some of the appointees after the public hearing

1054
01:25:24,050 --> 01:25:26,270
before we get to the new business if that's okay.

1055
01:25:27,930 --> 01:25:28,590
Please proceed.

1056
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:29,270
Thank you, Mayor.

1057
01:25:29,810 --> 01:25:31,150
The next item, the applicant.

1058
01:25:31,150 --> 01:25:40,970
Peachtree Immediate Care is requesting a conditional use to operate a clinic in a 4058 square foot building, which was previously developed and used for an IHOP.

1059
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:48,610
The Fulton Greens master plan requires a conditional use in order to allow the change to a clinic from the restaurant.

1060
01:25:49,090 --> 01:25:55,610
Properties located at 870 North Main Street near the northwest corner of North Main Street and Oneward Parkway.

1061
01:25:55,610 --> 01:26:00,190
If approved, it would allow Peach Tree immediate care to operate the clinic.

1062
01:26:01,210 --> 01:26:09,110
The building, again, previously used for the IHOP, and that was part of one of the allowed uses within the Fulton Greens Master Plan.

1063
01:26:10,210 --> 01:26:15,510
The building was built in 2003, and it's only operated as a restaurant since that time.

1064
01:26:16,150 --> 01:26:21,870
And it's subject to the Fulton Greens Master Plan, Pod A, and let me put the site plan here.

1065
01:26:21,870 --> 01:26:25,410
Of course, to the north and the east is the Lowe's.

1066
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:30,190
The Burger King is located to the east of the property, and then you have the retail

1067
01:26:30,190 --> 01:26:32,630
that's located across the street to the south.

1068
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:37,410
Site plan of the existing site.

1069
01:26:38,110 --> 01:26:40,090
There are several parking spaces.

1070
01:26:40,230 --> 01:26:42,630
They actually have more parking spaces than are needed.

1071
01:26:43,150 --> 01:26:49,030
There are 54 parking spaces, although the code only requires 20 parking spaces.

1072
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:54,750
And Peachtree Immediate Care operates 53 different urgent care clinics throughout Georgia.

1073
01:26:55,290 --> 01:26:59,310
And they're the exclusive urgent care partner of Emory Health Care.

1074
01:26:59,790 --> 01:27:03,410
They have another location you may be familiar with, which is on Haines Bridge Road.

1075
01:27:03,550 --> 01:27:06,790
That's at 10905 Haines Bridge Road.

1076
01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:11,090
It's across the entrance to North Point Drive, North Point Mall.

1077
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:18,390
Their hours that they're proposing are Monday through Sunday from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

1078
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:26,430
And they did submit changes to the renderings, changes to the elevation which would of course have to go through the design review board process.

1079
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:38,850
They are proposing removal of the blue awnings and painting of the brick which will require the design review board review and approval.

1080
01:27:42,140 --> 01:27:49,800
They also submitted their traffic numbers and there is a reduction in the number of trips moving from a restaurant to a clinic use.

1081
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:56,520
With the restaurant, there's 39 a.m. peak hour trips and 37 p.m. peak hour trips

1082
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:02,680
that would be reduced to 11 for the a.m. And then 15 for the peak hour trips in

1083
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:07,320
the evening. This item was also presented at the citizen's owning

1084
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,660
information meeting. We didn't have any comments at that meeting that was held

1085
01:28:11,660 --> 01:28:17,020
on September the 14th. And it was also presented to the planning

1086
01:28:17,020 --> 01:28:18,960
Commission on October 6.

1087
01:28:19,820 --> 01:28:23,220
Staff recommended approval subject to six conditions.

1088
01:28:23,780 --> 01:28:26,100
And there was no public comments at that meeting.

1089
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:32,520
And after discussion, the Planning Commission did recommend unanimously to recommend approval

1090
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,340
to the City Council with six conditions.

1091
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:42,540
Number one, clinics shall be added as a conditional use at 870 North Main Street and limited

1092
01:28:42,540 --> 01:28:45,500
to no more than 4,058 square feet.

1093
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,720
Two, conditional use approval shall be limited

1094
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,440
to Peachtree immediate care.

1095
01:28:51,260 --> 01:28:54,860
No additional clinic use or sub-leasing shall be permitted

1096
01:28:54,860 --> 01:28:56,200
within the approved space.

1097
01:28:57,260 --> 01:29:00,320
Three, clinic shall be limited to an urgent care clinic.

1098
01:29:00,940 --> 01:29:04,180
Four, exterior changes to the building shall require final

1099
01:29:04,180 --> 01:29:05,840
approval by the Design Review Board.

1100
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,580
Existing blue awnings shall be replaced

1101
01:29:08,580 --> 01:29:10,600
with awnings approved by DRB.

1102
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:16,880
5 hours of operation shall be limited to Monday through Sunday, 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

1103
01:29:17,660 --> 01:29:21,840
And 6, property owners shall assess site landscaping or replace missing, dead,

1104
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:25,340
or dying landscape material as approved by staff.

1105
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,320
And that should actually say as approved by Design Review Board.

1106
01:29:29,540 --> 01:29:35,540
Apologies, since they have to go through Design Review Board for the elevation change.

1107
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:45,720
This assessment shall include monument-signed landscape material as well as trees, shrubs removed by the GDOT construction.

1108
01:29:46,740 --> 01:29:52,240
And that is the Planning Commission recommendation. If you have any questions, I'll be glad to try to answer those.

1109
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,040
Councilor Mitchell

1110
01:29:56,250 --> 01:29:59,770
miss cook the number six condition

1111
01:30:00,300 --> 01:30:10,280
I've noticed when it lows, that site has some, it's the landscape material on the backside is

1112
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:18,940
so overgrown and so old, it's just taken over, and it does not have the offer to look at all.

1113
01:30:19,220 --> 01:30:24,840
Is there any way this could be worded so that they can reassess the existing landscaping

1114
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:30,320
So that we can send that the DRB with the confidence that...

1115
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,660
And I think number six, it does.

1116
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:38,220
And we even went so far to make sure that we pointed out that you have to include the

1117
01:30:38,220 --> 01:30:44,760
Monuments on Landscaping because exactly what you've seen, we see some of those shrubs

1118
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:48,640
are so large and it's kind of an outdated look.

1119
01:30:48,780 --> 01:30:53,200
So I think that the applicant can talk more about what they plan to do.

1120
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:58,480
but we even included as well as tree shrubs that are removed by GDOT.

1121
01:30:58,900 --> 01:31:02,740
So that will be something that's required for the design review board.

1122
01:31:03,020 --> 01:31:06,600
So you're comfortable that number six addresses that fully.

1123
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:07,980
Okay, thank you.

1124
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:13,940
And on six it does need to say as approved by DRB instead of staff.

1125
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:17,960
Any other questions for staff?

1126
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:21,440
Thank you, Director Cook.

1127
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,060
Would the applicant likely come forward at this time?

1128
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:24,940
Good

1129
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:38,980
evening. My name is John Richmond. I'm happy to answer any questions that you guys have.

1130
01:31:39,820 --> 01:31:46,340
And with your approval, we are very excited about the opportunity to open a new medical

1131
01:31:46,340 --> 01:31:52,600
clinic to serve Alpharetta. We provide high quality, convenient and affordable healthcare.

1132
01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:58,920
Regarding the question on landscaping, we have not engaged a landscape architect yet.

1133
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,740
we I was thinking that we were going to have to be approved by staff and if we

1134
01:32:02,740 --> 01:32:07,280
need to include that as part of the DRB submission and we'll get on that but we

1135
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:11,400
agree it has overgrown and we certainly plan to thin it out and we'll do what

1136
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:18,140
makes sense for the community so I don't foresee any obstacles there. Any

1137
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:19,560
other questions for the applicant?

1138
01:32:21,650 --> 01:32:24,770
Thanks sir. Thank you. Mr. Pirro, do we have any

1139
01:32:24,770 --> 01:32:29,650
public comment cards on this item? We do not Mr. Mayor. However, anyone would

1140
01:32:29,650 --> 01:32:32,210
I'd like to come forward and speak on this matter now is your chance.

1141
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:35,790
Seeing no one will close public comment.

1142
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:37,910
Do I have a motion from council?

1143
01:32:38,330 --> 01:32:38,970
Yes, sir.

1144
01:32:38,990 --> 01:32:45,610
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion this evening to approve CU-22-07 slash Peachtree

1145
01:32:45,610 --> 01:32:51,610
immediate care slash 870 North Main Street with the six conditions and noting that in

1146
01:32:51,610 --> 01:32:57,970
condition number six where it says of dying landscape materials as approved by staff,

1147
01:32:57,970 --> 01:33:01,470
I would strike the word staff and replace with designer view board

1148
01:33:02,890 --> 01:33:07,670
Have a motion by mayor pro temp Merkel a second by councilman binder, and that was to approve

1149
01:33:07,670 --> 01:33:14,910
CU dash 2 2 dash 0 7 p3 immediate care slash 8 7 oh North Main Street with conditions as

1150
01:33:14,910 --> 01:33:17,050
Outline by mayor pro temp Merkel

1151
01:33:17,610 --> 01:33:18,490
any discussion

1152
01:33:20,050 --> 01:33:24,930
All those in favor of the motion, please vote yes otherwise vote accordingly and

1153
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:29,800
it does pass unanimously

1154
01:33:30,420 --> 01:33:31,160
Thanks, sir.

1155
01:33:31,260 --> 01:33:31,580
Congratulations.

1156
01:33:34,590 --> 01:33:35,310
All right.

1157
01:33:35,450 --> 01:33:40,090
And so now that we have our distinguished guest here, we'll go ahead and pull forward

1158
01:33:40,590 --> 01:33:47,890
the item that we had put off at the beginning, which was the appointments and swearing in.

1159
01:33:48,830 --> 01:33:50,710
Ms. Shapiro, do you want to handle that?

1160
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:52,530
Yes, Mr. Mayor.

1161
01:33:52,850 --> 01:33:57,250
Our first Boards and Commission appointment, I think, was by Council Member Binder.

1162
01:33:57,410 --> 01:33:59,870
You'd have someone that you'd like to appoint to Boards and Commission.

1163
01:34:07,130 --> 01:34:11,670
And Mr. Mayor, I believe you had two appointments that you'd like to make to our Board of Ethics this evening.

1164
01:34:16,190 --> 01:34:17,570
Yes, just a second.

1165
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:24,880
Councilman Beiner, feel free.

1166
01:34:25,420 --> 01:34:34,280
Yes, sir. I have Art Leach as my new appointment to the Ethics Commission, and he is not here today.

1167
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,280
So we will swear him in on a future meeting.

1168
01:34:36,660 --> 01:34:37,100
There we go.

1169
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:37,680
Yes, sir.

1170
01:34:42,030 --> 01:34:46,630
And my appointments to the Ethics Commission will be Heather Wagner and Dale Sizemore.

1171
01:34:46,630 --> 01:34:55,170
Wonderful. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you and our next item under this portion of tonight's agenda is this wearing in of our

1172
01:34:55,170 --> 01:34:59,690
Code enforcement board member mr. Dick Freeman if you'd like to come on up, please sir

1173
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,780
Well, good evening, but a while since I've been here

1174
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,920
I just want

1175
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,080
to make sure we have the same writing on ours.

1176
01:35:44,340 --> 01:35:50,480
I typically did not do the swearing in, so this is a new exercise for me as well.

1177
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:58,360
So if you would, Mr. Freeman, if you'll raise your right hand, I, state your name.

1178
01:35:58,700 --> 01:35:59,640
I, Richard Freeman.

1179
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:05,100
Hereby accept the honor of serving as a board member of the Code Enforcement Board.

1180
01:36:05,900 --> 01:36:09,080
Hereby accept the honor of serving on the Code Enforcement Board.

1181
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:12,420
Or Board of Ethics of the City of Alfredo, Georgia.

1182
01:36:12,580 --> 01:36:15,000
Or Board of Ethics of the City of Alfredo.

1183
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:17,640
That was when we were supposed to have two people sworn in, Mr. Mayor.

1184
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:20,860
Yeah, I told you this was my first time.

1185
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:21,220
Yeah.

1186
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:28,640
I do solemnly swear or affirm that I am not the holder of an unaccounted

1187
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:35,520
unaccounted for public money due of this state or any political subdivision or authority thereof.

1188
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:43,840
I am not the holder of any unaccounted for public money.

1189
01:36:44,820 --> 01:36:45,160
Okay.

1190
01:36:51,940 --> 01:36:52,060
Okay.

1191
01:36:53,220 --> 01:36:54,520
Let me start that again.

1192
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:55,600
Yeah, let's go ahead.

1193
01:36:55,620 --> 01:37:00,560
I am not the holder of any unaccounted for public money due to this state or any political

1194
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:02,600
subdivision or authority thereof.

1195
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:08,140
I am qualified to hold set office according to the Constitution and Laws of Georgia.

1196
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:15,000
I am qualified to hold set office according to the Constitution and Laws of Georgia.

1197
01:37:15,500 --> 01:37:18,000
And I shall support the Constitution.

1198
01:37:18,260 --> 01:37:25,340
And I shall support the Constitution and Laws of the State of Georgia and the Constitution and Laws of the United States of America.

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01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:29,780
Further, I do solemnly swear or affirm that I shall.

1200
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:36,200
further I do solemnly swear or affirm that I shall faithfully perform the duties

1201
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:40,340
of a board member regularly attend meetings uphold the ideals of community

1202
01:37:40,340 --> 01:37:46,000
and service act and conduct business in accordance with the city code of ethics

1203
01:37:46,820 --> 01:37:53,040
conduct and support the charter and laws of the city of El Verde so sworn this

1204
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:59,460
24th day of October 2022 congratulations sir thank you for

1205
01:37:59,460 --> 01:38:04,640
your service. Thank you,

1206
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:09,980
Dick. Thank you, Mr. Freeman.

1207
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:14,260
We

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01:38:40,020 --> 01:38:43,400
lost

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01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:56,720
someone.

1210
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:02,680
We lost our mayor

1211
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:03,180
pro 10.

1212
01:39:08,780 --> 01:39:14,200
So next item up on our agenda this evening is new business. First item under

1213
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:18,740
new business is the Milton Avenue and Canton Street pedestrian scramble director Robson.

1214
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:20,300
Mr.

1215
01:39:23,260 --> 01:39:27,820
Mayor, if I could just real quickly as the Chief is walking up here, I do want to

1216
01:39:27,820 --> 01:39:32,800
highlight that we did have a couple of Council members request the item on the agenda tonight.

1217
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,180
We're certainly happy to lead with the staff presentation, but I also wanted to defer not

1218
01:39:36,180 --> 01:39:40,240
get in front of the Council if either of the two members who indicated their desire

1219
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:44,280
to speak on this tonight had a comment that they wanted to lead with before the

1220
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:45,320
Chief made his presentation.

1221
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:46,700
I'll just offer that out there.

1222
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:49,820
Okay.

1223
01:39:49,820 --> 01:39:53,520
Okay, so then I'll turn it over to the Chief and he can talk about some of the study that

1224
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:54,360
they have done in the area.

1225
01:39:54,460 --> 01:39:54,880
Thanks, Chief.

1226
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:55,480
Yes, sir.

1227
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:56,460
Good evening, Mayor and Council.

1228
01:39:57,240 --> 01:40:00,400
I think with this, I'll just go ahead and start with the background of kind of what

1229
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:04,400
got us here tonight and then talk about our recommendation based on the study.

1230
01:40:04,540 --> 01:40:09,220
So back in August, when school went back in session, we all, including you, immediately

1231
01:40:09,220 --> 01:40:11,780
started getting flowed with phone calls about traffic issues downtown.

1232
01:40:12,460 --> 01:40:16,460
And sure enough, we were having some major traffic congestion issues, which of course

1233
01:40:16,460 --> 01:40:21,280
is always a concern for public safety, particularly around the Innovation Academy from there up

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01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:25,580
until nine in an intersection of Milton and Canton as well.

1235
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:32,160
So with that, I was directed to please send our team down there to do a study to see

1236
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:36,300
what was maybe causing the congestion and the issues, and if we could determine that

1237
01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:38,100
and maybe make a recommendation on that.

1238
01:40:38,660 --> 01:40:42,180
So we sent our team down, our traffic teams specifically down there for several

1239
01:40:42,180 --> 01:40:48,240
days, actually a couple of weeks to observe the traffic. As you can imagine, the major

1240
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:52,560
traffic issues were in the mornings and afternoons when school was being let out, when students

1241
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:57,240
were being picked up or dropped off, as we assumed. And so after a couple of weeks of

1242
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:02,420
observation and studying the situation, our traffic unit came back and made a report,

1243
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:07,580
gave me a report stating that they felt that the all-cross or the scramble was

1244
01:41:07,580 --> 01:41:13,040
was certainly the major reason for the traffic congestion that we were seeing in that area.

1245
01:41:13,820 --> 01:41:18,940
So with that, we decided to test our hypothesis and we had it turned off.

1246
01:41:19,020 --> 01:41:23,220
Had Pete worked to get it turned off for several days and again our traffic team was

1247
01:41:23,220 --> 01:41:28,080
down there observing and observed that when the all-cross, the scramble was turned off

1248
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:32,480
and back to the way it was before the scramble was installed, we basically had

1249
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:34,980
very little, if any, traffic issues at all.

1250
01:41:34,980 --> 01:41:41,700
So after the study that was done, the work that was put in, my staff recommended to me

1251
01:41:42,380 --> 01:41:48,020
that the scramble be removed, and that would basically take care of the traffic problems

1252
01:41:48,020 --> 01:41:52,060
we've been having downtown. I agree with your recommendation on that, and therefore I'm bringing

1253
01:41:52,060 --> 01:42:00,680
this recommendation to you tonight. One caveat I was asked also about turning off the no turn

1254
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:06,000
on red, or getting rid of the no-turn on red signs in that area, and I did disagree with

1255
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:10,460
that. We do believe that does provide an extra layer of safety for our pedestrians walking

1256
01:42:10,460 --> 01:42:16,200
in that area, and we think that should stay. So part of my recommendation is to have that

1257
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:22,040
continue to be in place moving forward. And then, of course, Pete has done his work

1258
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:26,200
with Public Works regarding the cost with the ongoing project downtown, which would

1259
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:32,860
be 27 to 47 and 50 cents and that is how we arrived at this moment. That's how I arrived

1260
01:42:32,860 --> 01:42:34,840
at this recommendation that I'm presenting to you tonight.

1261
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:42,800
Thank you, George Robinson. Any questions from Council? Councilman Binder?

1262
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:51,500
You said who directed you? Councilman Will asked me to come visit. Check it out.

1263
01:42:51,500 --> 01:42:52,400
And

1264
01:42:55,000 --> 01:43:04,840
then the another another was I think I must have gone past that eight times today going back and forth.

1265
01:43:05,980 --> 01:43:11,040
The hotel have we have we worked on that too? I know that was a big cause.

1266
01:43:11,300 --> 01:43:18,580
We have we've we've had several meetings and I guess James is probably about a month and a half ago we met and things have been much better.

1267
01:43:18,580 --> 01:43:24,060
I won't tell you they're perfect, but we definitely have seen great improvements in that area regarding the plan and working with the hotel to

1268
01:43:24,060 --> 01:43:27,360
come up with a better way to handle valet parking and

1269
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:33,860
Making sure that we keep whole can clear it out. And and so we have made progress that I wouldn't say it's it's a hundred percent

1270
01:43:33,860 --> 01:43:39,760
It's definitely been much better. Okay, and then I noticed that the crosswalks getting built right now

1271
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:42,120
I think it's right in front of

1272
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,540
They're building it right in front of the vet.

1273
01:43:46,020 --> 01:43:47,100
When is that going to be online?

1274
01:43:52,350 --> 01:43:54,230
I didn't know since the chief's doing traffic counts now

1275
01:43:54,230 --> 01:43:56,550
if he was also doing the construction for the crosswalk.

1276
01:43:56,690 --> 01:43:58,110
We used all the help we could get.

1277
01:43:59,870 --> 01:44:04,690
There's supposed to be doing the resurfacing the week of the 24th.

1278
01:44:04,690 --> 01:44:04,970
Okay.

1279
01:44:05,170 --> 01:44:07,790
So the 24th and the week of the 31st they'll be doing the resurfacing.

1280
01:44:08,090 --> 01:44:09,810
So beginning of November it'll be done.

1281
01:44:10,670 --> 01:44:11,530
Beginning of November.

1282
01:44:11,530 --> 01:44:17,350
And then there's a crosswalk going by our Baptist church.

1283
01:44:17,810 --> 01:44:21,730
That is shown on the Downtown Pedestrian Safety Plan study.

1284
01:44:21,790 --> 01:44:24,950
It's a concept that has not been 100% determined yet.

1285
01:44:25,330 --> 01:44:27,430
So we're just starting that process now.

1286
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:29,030
That was just awarded a couple of weeks ago.

1287
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:29,710
Okay.

1288
01:44:31,950 --> 01:44:36,430
Is there a way for that scramble to be shut off during peak?

1289
01:44:36,430 --> 01:44:40,970
When was the traffic happening?

1290
01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:44,650
Is there a time of day that we just turn it off maybe for peak?

1291
01:44:44,930 --> 01:44:50,310
The traffic was obviously worse during morning, schools on hours, and after new schools on hours.

1292
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:53,230
Obviously we had a lot of traffic going back and forth to Innovation Academy.

1293
01:44:53,770 --> 01:44:54,170
Okay,

1294
01:44:57,660 --> 01:44:58,580
that works for me. Thanks, Mayor.

1295
01:45:01,710 --> 01:45:10,310
Councilmember Mitchell. Director Robinson. Are you familiar with, have we done any studies

1296
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:15,970
in the last ten years on how our pedestrian traffic has increased in our downtown? I believe,

1297
01:45:16,490 --> 01:45:20,550
I hate to throw this on Pete, but I believe we've had a study done. We had a study back

1298
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:27,530
done in 2019. And what were the results of that? There was recommendations on how to

1299
01:45:27,530 --> 01:45:31,930
improve the pedestrian safety in different areas of different intersections. And that

1300
01:45:31,930 --> 01:45:33,610
It included this intersection, did it not?

1301
01:45:34,090 --> 01:45:35,870
It included this intersection, yes.

1302
01:45:36,650 --> 01:45:40,750
It included the recommendation was a no-turn-on-right signage.

1303
01:45:41,950 --> 01:45:45,810
They had some other grandiose plans as well as a roundabout and some other things, but

1304
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:47,770
the low-hanging fruit was a no-turn-on-right.

1305
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:55,890
And how many pedestrian accidents or near-accidents are you familiar with that have happened

1306
01:45:55,890 --> 01:45:57,170
in our city in the last year?

1307
01:45:57,290 --> 01:45:58,630
Can you give me a stat on that?

1308
01:45:59,450 --> 01:46:06,950
In our city, no, within the last year, I know we had one hit-and-run incident, not at that

1309
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:07,410
intersection.

1310
01:46:08,350 --> 01:46:12,170
I'm off the top of my head, not familiar with any others, but I can't say that for sure.

1311
01:46:12,290 --> 01:46:15,470
I'd have to go back and check, but it's very few, if any.

1312
01:46:16,670 --> 01:46:22,250
It feels to me that this is more autocentric and our comprehensive land use plan for

1313
01:46:22,250 --> 01:46:25,010
downtown and every plan and study that we've done.

1314
01:46:25,010 --> 01:46:33,610
When we issued a $100,000 study for pedestrian improvements, it all is to mix not only vehicular

1315
01:46:34,250 --> 01:46:37,310
conveniences but also save pedestrian accidents.

1316
01:46:37,730 --> 01:46:41,010
The best pedestrian accident is the one that never occurred.

1317
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:43,490
And I do believe the scramble has helped.

1318
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:47,610
I was there the other weekend on a, it was, no, it was a Thursday night.

1319
01:46:48,030 --> 01:46:51,850
Every corner was filled with people trying to cross and you couldn't cross.

1320
01:46:51,850 --> 01:46:57,510
It delayed the action because you had to go you had to wait and then there were some people who were crossing

1321
01:46:57,510 --> 01:47:00,550
darting across the the road

1322
01:47:01,370 --> 01:47:07,450
When traffic wasn't coming and this occurs a lot it hasn't occurred with the scramble as much

1323
01:47:07,450 --> 01:47:15,630
So I'm I'm curious as to why we're only looking at the vehicular and not really judging it based on

1324
01:47:15,630 --> 01:47:17,410
pedestrian safety as well

1325
01:47:19,070 --> 01:47:25,050
My only response to that is we were directed to specifically look at the vehicular traffic

1326
01:47:25,050 --> 01:47:29,790
to your point regarding the issues we're having here in the day and that's what our department

1327
01:47:29,790 --> 01:47:30,030
did.

1328
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:30,730
Okay.

1329
01:47:31,050 --> 01:47:35,330
What are we doing as a public safety department to improve pedestrian safety?

1330
01:47:35,550 --> 01:47:36,430
Is it through education?

1331
01:47:36,810 --> 01:47:38,830
What are we doing right now as a city?

1332
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:41,510
Education enforcement.

1333
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:47,910
enforcement. I mean, we do at times, especially when we have issues with people improperly

1334
01:47:47,910 --> 01:47:52,570
crossing, creating dangerous situations. Also, people speeding through downtown, we will go

1335
01:47:52,570 --> 01:47:58,290
down and utilize enforcement, right citations. So, I think education, I think long-term,

1336
01:47:58,990 --> 01:48:02,910
any, you know, enforcement is always one of our number one options. But we, like any

1337
01:48:02,910 --> 01:48:06,430
other area of the city, we always try to make sure that we are addressing any areas

1338
01:48:06,430 --> 01:48:08,970
of concern regarding vehicular or pedestrian safety.

1339
01:48:09,950 --> 01:48:10,250
Okay.

1340
01:48:11,530 --> 01:48:17,770
I looked online, I didn't see anything that was addressing vehicular traffic to watch

1341
01:48:17,770 --> 01:48:21,490
out for pedestrians and things like that and how they could be a safer driver.

1342
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:25,850
There may not be right at this moment, but I mean, you know, like other educational

1343
01:48:25,850 --> 01:48:30,350
presentations we make online, we do different ones, so I mean, it may be time for us

1344
01:48:30,350 --> 01:48:30,850
to do that again.

1345
01:48:30,930 --> 01:48:34,070
We have done it in the past, but I can't say we have one right at this moment,

1346
01:48:34,170 --> 01:48:34,350
no.

1347
01:48:34,350 --> 01:48:39,570
Okay, I've looked up some statistics and I'd like to share them. Perhaps that's better during discussion

1348
01:48:40,750 --> 01:48:42,830
Okay, thank you

1349
01:48:44,410 --> 01:48:47,590
Any other questions for staff on this item, I

1350
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:51,290
have a few it

1351
01:48:52,690 --> 01:48:54,730
Mr. Robison have you

1352
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:57,470
have any evidence that

1353
01:48:58,110 --> 01:49:01,530
Safety has improved in that quarter since

1354
01:49:02,230 --> 01:49:06,030
The scramble was in place. Yes. There's no evidence of that at all

1355
01:49:06,030 --> 01:49:06,610
That's it.

1356
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:09,210
Pete, are you aware of any?

1357
01:49:09,930 --> 01:49:11,270
Nothing I could put my hands on.

1358
01:49:12,030 --> 01:49:12,590
Okay.

1359
01:49:14,330 --> 01:49:19,110
And, Pete, while you're here, I remember us going through this whole process before.

1360
01:49:19,950 --> 01:49:27,270
Did you recommend the scramble as a solution to pedestrian safety or moving traffic faster?

1361
01:49:27,790 --> 01:49:28,570
It's a component.

1362
01:49:28,750 --> 01:49:33,530
I think it was not the volume of counts at the time that we were working forward,

1363
01:49:33,530 --> 01:49:39,710
forward, that it would be the perfect solution for that intersection. It would not be the

1364
01:49:39,710 --> 01:49:44,470
best solution, the perfect solution for that intersection due to the not being the traffic,

1365
01:49:44,730 --> 01:49:50,390
the pedestrian warrants. I mean, downtown Atlanta has a scramble, a Georgia attack, and it's

1366
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:56,990
a much larger volume going forward more frequently. And it's the, I mean, as we watch on the

1367
01:49:56,990 --> 01:50:02,490
video, we'll see kids come by and push the yellow button and cross perpendicular.

1368
01:50:02,930 --> 01:50:10,670
So that 46 seconds, 40 plus second delay does increase traffic and it's also just not working

1369
01:50:10,670 --> 01:50:14,530
functionally for us in the whole corridor, but the no turn on reds have helped.

1370
01:50:14,910 --> 01:50:19,290
I mean, we've had it off for a while and the no turn on reds, people are following

1371
01:50:19,290 --> 01:50:24,190
it, thanks to the enforcement that people are following it, and that is, that's working

1372
01:50:24,190 --> 01:50:24,770
very well.

1373
01:50:27,170 --> 01:50:34,710
You know, we've gotten several e-mails about, you know, claims of higher safety and you know,

1374
01:50:35,470 --> 01:50:41,870
so I just, I remember going through all this before and so I went back through my e-mails

1375
01:50:41,870 --> 01:50:48,790
and I specifically saw where you had recommended a study before we invested $100,000 in putting

1376
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:49,610
in a scramble.

1377
01:50:50,010 --> 01:50:50,730
Do you recall that?

1378
01:50:51,110 --> 01:50:54,010
I recall it would determine the warrants for it.

1379
01:50:54,010 --> 01:50:58,030
Everything we do in our world of engineering is warrants, stop sign warrants, traffic signal

1380
01:50:58,030 --> 01:51:04,170
warrants, even doing traffic calming itself. We would like to have a warrant so we could

1381
01:51:04,170 --> 01:51:07,170
put our hands on something that says it's valid for us to move forward.

1382
01:51:08,330 --> 01:51:11,650
And as I recall, because I went back and pulled the email today,

1383
01:51:13,870 --> 01:51:15,370
you specifically asked for

1384
01:51:15,370 --> 01:51:20,550
that study to be done for the warrants. And then a former council member told you

1385
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:25,170
there was no need. He already had the support for installing a scramble. Is that correct?

1386
01:51:25,730 --> 01:51:27,930
I have a vague reminder, but yes, something similar to that.

1387
01:51:36,190 --> 01:51:40,170
One other thing I wanted to ask you about, because as we were getting these complaints

1388
01:51:40,170 --> 01:51:47,230
about the backup on Milton Avenue and the traffic in that quarter, one of my concerns

1389
01:51:47,230 --> 01:51:52,330
was, and I've known you've spoken about this in the past, that stretch of road

1390
01:51:52,330 --> 01:51:59,130
between Canton Street and Highway 9 is problematic, correct?

1391
01:51:59,470 --> 01:52:00,630
It's got challenges.

1392
01:52:01,030 --> 01:52:03,110
Especially since the hotel's opened up.

1393
01:52:03,930 --> 01:52:10,950
But I've heard you say in the past that if we don't provide a good flow of traffic through that corridor

1394
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:17,170
that the State Road Highway 9 is impacted,

1395
01:52:17,170 --> 01:52:24,650
Then G dot Georgia Department of Transportation has the ability to take control of our lights. Is that correct?

1396
01:52:24,930 --> 01:52:27,790
They had the control to take control of the single timing of state route night

1397
01:52:28,490 --> 01:52:32,670
So what we try to do is we try and blend it all together and try to balance it out

1398
01:52:33,650 --> 01:52:38,270
With doing additional traffic counts to modify our single timing in that area

1399
01:52:38,270 --> 01:52:44,490
What we don't want is to keep the flow going so well on East West and the North South backs up so much

1400
01:52:44,490 --> 01:52:47,110
That's adversely impacting the flow on a state route

1401
01:52:47,110 --> 01:52:53,110
So we can't let it flow so well east-west and then hinder state route 9 and vice versa

1402
01:52:53,110 --> 01:52:55,950
We don't want it to flow so well on 9 that it backs up on

1403
01:52:56,570 --> 01:52:58,870
Molton Avenue and Mid-Broadwell

1404
01:52:59,450 --> 01:53:02,650
So it's a challenging balancing act the

1405
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:07,110
Okay, thank you

1406
01:53:07,110 --> 01:53:11,670
Any other questions from council council like to follow up on

1407
01:53:11,670 --> 01:53:18,590
You say that you don't know what the pedestrian safety has been.

1408
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:26,310
I don't have a study to put my hands on it to say that yes, there has been an improvement

1409
01:53:26,310 --> 01:53:28,250
of X scale out there.

1410
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:32,870
I do know that the no turn on reds have benefited downtown tremendously.

1411
01:53:33,210 --> 01:53:38,350
I do know that the rapid flashing beacons on Canton Street have helped out tremendously,

1412
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:40,790
especially at night with people walking across.

1413
01:53:42,330 --> 01:53:45,770
the hawk signal with the lights and with the refuge island has helped out

1414
01:53:45,770 --> 01:53:51,410
tremendously. So elements that we have put in and even moving forward with have

1415
01:53:51,410 --> 01:53:56,810
helped out very well. I had not done a study and determined there was an accident

1416
01:53:56,810 --> 01:54:00,750
here or not a pedestrian accident here. Okay so you the truth is you don't know

1417
01:54:00,750 --> 01:54:07,070
either way. I can't qualify and say yes there's been yes or no sir. Okay when

1418
01:54:07,070 --> 01:54:11,570
And you put in the crosswalk at Old Roswell Street with the flashing lights.

1419
01:54:11,790 --> 01:54:17,430
I remember I had citizens complain about that as we've had citizens complain about being

1420
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:23,530
able to cross as a pedestrian at Milton and Highway 9 and also Roswell and Canton.

1421
01:54:24,010 --> 01:54:30,670
So back up when we go to where Pure is crossing over at Roswell, the Old Roswell Street,

1422
01:54:30,990 --> 01:54:36,310
you put in the crosswalk, did you do a study to determine if it was needed pedestrian-wise

1423
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:37,590
or has it just benefited?

1424
01:54:38,410 --> 01:54:42,190
We put, we did a study in the fact that we actually wanted to put a roundabout in that location

1425
01:54:42,670 --> 01:54:48,050
and we did a study where we could not engineer-wise get the grade to work for us

1426
01:54:48,050 --> 01:54:54,610
and in return we did a rapid flashing beacon crosswalk to be a temporary measure

1427
01:54:54,610 --> 01:54:57,130
until if we come up with a more permanent solution for that area.

1428
01:54:57,650 --> 01:55:02,630
So yes, studies were done in that area and the number one reason why we needed one out there

1429
01:55:02,630 --> 01:55:05,570
was for visibility because there is a topography challenge in that area

1430
01:55:05,570 --> 01:55:11,310
So we had to make sure that our poles were the right height. So yes, and we raised the as I recall we raised the

1431
01:55:11,810 --> 01:55:13,410
the crossing area

1432
01:55:14,050 --> 01:55:18,450
somewhat and I got calls from pedestrians who were walking

1433
01:55:18,450 --> 01:55:26,430
Throughout the morning and stuff like that that that they they feel much safer with those improvements as I have from the scramble

1434
01:55:26,430 --> 01:55:33,650
So but either way we haven't done a study to see how much safer pedestrians are from those

1435
01:55:33,650 --> 01:55:36,730
have we? I have not, sir. Okay, thank you.

1436
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:44,330
Councilman Dorito. Hey Pete, can I want to

1437
01:55:44,330 --> 01:55:53,070
address the walkability and pedestrian safety study done in 2018-19? I went through it today

1438
01:55:53,070 --> 01:55:58,490
and I didn't see any reference to one of the potential solutions for creating more

1439
01:55:58,490 --> 01:56:05,030
walkable downtown area that a scramble would be one of those options. Is that somewhere

1440
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:06,370
where in the report that I missed or?

1441
01:56:06,670 --> 01:56:07,530
It's not in the report.

1442
01:56:07,870 --> 01:56:08,070
Okay.

1443
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:13,120
Second, I gotta be real honest.

1444
01:56:13,300 --> 01:56:14,960
I'm just gonna be very honest with everybody

1445
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:16,160
on the council and the public.

1446
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:19,360
I'm really disgusted with some of the inferences

1447
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:20,980
made by some council members up here

1448
01:56:20,980 --> 01:56:23,060
against yourself and our chief.

1449
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:27,240
You are here to answer questions on an issue

1450
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:31,940
that former elected officials voted on and implemented

1451
01:56:31,940 --> 01:56:39,140
it without a safety study, a pedestrian safety study, and without a traffic study. But now

1452
01:56:39,140 --> 01:56:41,460
the same two of those people who still are on council.

1453
01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:44,440
Councillor Mendrita, is there a question in here somewhere?

1454
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:51,280
Well, I'll wait to let discussion in. I just want to keep things moving in the

1455
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:54,540
right direction. Any other questions for staff?

1456
01:56:57,200 --> 01:56:57,660
Thank you, gentlemen.

1457
01:56:57,940 --> 01:57:01,200
Thank you. So there better be one line.

1458
01:57:01,900 --> 01:57:04,520
Mr. Pirro, do we have any public comment cards on this item?

1459
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:06,220
We do not, Mr. Mayor.

1460
01:57:07,100 --> 01:57:09,120
However, if anyone would like to come forward,

1461
01:57:09,380 --> 01:57:10,920
now's your opportunity to do so.

1462
01:57:12,540 --> 01:57:15,060
If you will, please state your name and address

1463
01:57:15,060 --> 01:57:16,240
for the public record.

1464
01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:20,400
And you've got three minutes to speak your piece.

1465
01:57:21,780 --> 01:57:22,180
Good evening.

1466
01:57:22,500 --> 01:57:23,600
My name is Karen Quinn.

1467
01:57:24,280 --> 01:57:26,620
I live at 169 Ladder and Ridge Court.

1468
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:29,520
We moved here in 1987.

1469
01:57:30,940 --> 01:57:32,780
My daughter called this Alphatator.

1470
01:57:32,780 --> 01:57:35,840
there was one traffic light.

1471
01:57:38,090 --> 01:57:41,570
Getting through downtown was nothing. It was just very easy.

1472
01:57:42,010 --> 01:57:45,010
My kids went to the old Milton that's gone.

1473
01:57:47,590 --> 01:57:51,130
Alpharetta Elementary, Haynes Bridge. So we've

1474
01:57:51,130 --> 01:58:00,370
been here a long time. Milton Avenue East West is a quarter for people from Cobb County,

1475
01:58:00,370 --> 01:58:08,710
from people from other counties to get through, to get to 400 now to get to all the different

1476
01:58:08,710 --> 01:58:16,530
places they go. That has always been, at Canton and Milton, has always been a dangerous area.

1477
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:27,480
In these intervening years, to the wisdom of someone that I cannot feature, has decided

1478
01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:34,640
to put tall buildings, many tall buildings, with people who live in these buildings, and

1479
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:45,880
you're creating tunnels. Psychologically, it's frightening. And in my driving, I traveled

1480
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:51,200
in that area as little as possible. I will go out of my way to miss the downtown area

1481
01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:57,860
because it's scary. Yes, I'm an old lady but I've been driving for a long long

1482
01:58:57,860 --> 01:59:05,600
time and I know how to drive. I like the scramble. I know it really angers people

1483
01:59:06,380 --> 01:59:11,380
and a lot of these people don't live here and a lot of the people who do live

1484
01:59:11,380 --> 01:59:18,040
here haven't lived here very long. Every time the city decides that they want

1485
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:24,120
to do something for the betterment of the people who don't drive, the people who don't

1486
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:31,360
live in the fancy houses in the fancy neighborhoods, they're screaming. It's fussing. And there's

1487
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:40,140
no patience. We put this thing in. I like it, obviously. I've seen it happen in other

1488
01:59:40,140 --> 01:59:46,540
cities, larger cities, where it's a lifesaver. And I believe that this is a lifesaver.

1489
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:51,760
I was through that area the other day because I simply could not avoid it.

1490
01:59:52,300 --> 01:59:59,560
And there's a lady with a stroller, and she's watching, watching, watching, watching for the light.

1491
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,420
She gets the light and has to run across the street because somebody who's not watching

1492
02:00:05,420 --> 02:00:07,440
the light was in a hurry.

1493
02:00:10,150 --> 02:00:15,450
Now, I've made my views known to you. Some of you have responded

1494
02:00:15,450 --> 02:00:21,990
to my email, and I appreciate that. I appreciate your comments. But I am asking for patience.

1495
02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:30,930
If you want to turn it off like Mr. Binder says during the very busy times, maybe, but

1496
02:00:30,930 --> 02:00:35,090
And of course that's a very busy time when you have a lot of pedestrians.

1497
02:00:36,470 --> 02:00:40,690
So you have people trying to get to and from school and they're very important.

1498
02:00:40,810 --> 02:00:42,230
You can tell by the cars they drive.

1499
02:00:43,550 --> 02:00:46,690
But the people on the street are important, too.

1500
02:00:49,650 --> 02:00:52,190
And I've not seen anybody get killed.

1501
02:00:52,550 --> 02:00:56,470
I'm very fortunate, but I've seen people have really close calls.

1502
02:00:56,470 --> 02:01:04,810
calls, and I've had close calls myself. And I really would appreciate you tabling this,

1503
02:01:05,990 --> 02:01:13,070
doing some more study, being patient, letting people get used to it,

1504
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:16,400
and seeing if maybe

1505
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:22,560
it isn't a help, because I believe it is. Thank you for your time.

1506
02:01:22,980 --> 02:01:24,120
Thank you very much.

1507
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,420
Anyone else that wants to come forward from the public now is your

1508
02:01:31,420 --> 02:01:31,660
chance.

1509
02:01:32,180 --> 02:01:32,380
Good

1510
02:01:40,670 --> 02:01:45,330
evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Daniel MacLennan. 1995, Will Shariglin, Alfreda

1511
02:01:45,330 --> 02:01:50,550
3-3-0-0-9. I think you might have met me or talked to me at least once before, and

1512
02:01:50,550 --> 02:01:56,230
if so, you know that I'm a pretty big proponent of pedestrian safety in the downtown district.

1513
02:01:56,610 --> 02:02:01,130
That's a guaranteed way to get me to come to these meetings every time. I love it

1514
02:02:01,130 --> 02:02:01,990
when you put this on the agenda.

1515
02:02:01,990 --> 02:02:07,670
to. I'm a little concerned about this item tonight though. I've like some of what I've

1516
02:02:07,670 --> 02:02:11,470
heard tonight from various council members concerned by some other commons. I'll tell

1517
02:02:11,470 --> 02:02:16,310
you what I think about it and I'll do my best to keep it under three minutes too. I was

1518
02:02:16,310 --> 02:02:22,510
excited last year when the city decided to implement this great piece of safety for pedestrians.

1519
02:02:23,010 --> 02:02:31,970
That is a busy corner. That corner has a number of restaurants. You've got the animal

1520
02:02:31,970 --> 02:02:35,210
traffic. I walk it all the time. I walk it with my dog. I walk it with my wife. I walk

1521
02:02:35,210 --> 02:02:40,110
it with my parents. I see people using it all the time. And if I recall, I'm not an

1522
02:02:40,110 --> 02:02:44,110
expert on traffic engineering or anything, but if I recall when it was implemented a

1523
02:02:44,110 --> 02:02:49,690
year ago, the scramble was only going to be activated when someone pressed the button

1524
02:02:49,690 --> 02:02:54,490
to scramble diagonally across the intersection. I don't know if that's still the case,

1525
02:02:54,570 --> 02:02:59,010
but that's how it was originally talked about. So if it is causing delays, that

1526
02:02:59,010 --> 02:03:01,550
That means it's getting use, which is good.

1527
02:03:02,010 --> 02:03:05,010
It's protecting pedestrians in the right of way.

1528
02:03:06,370 --> 02:03:10,330
The city spent 100,000 on this last year, a little bit over that, and there were some

1529
02:03:10,330 --> 02:03:15,010
concerns on council at the time that it was just too much to spend in an uncertain economic

1530
02:03:15,010 --> 02:03:15,510
environment.

1531
02:03:16,030 --> 02:03:17,730
That's a fair position to have.

1532
02:03:18,610 --> 02:03:23,630
To spend even more money tonight, just one year later after spending that money,

1533
02:03:23,630 --> 02:03:30,770
to me. It seems to be quite frank, a bit ridiculous to me. As was mentioned a few times, studies

1534
02:03:31,310 --> 02:03:35,930
were the studies. I love words, Mr. Mayor, you asked, is there any evidence to show that

1535
02:03:35,930 --> 02:03:41,410
safety has been improved as a result of this? The answer was no, there's no evidence. But

1536
02:03:41,410 --> 02:03:46,850
there's no evidence to say anything. There's no traffic numbers. There is no times. There

1537
02:03:46,850 --> 02:03:52,050
is just this objective opinion that traffic is worse. I guarantee you I could pick

1538
02:03:52,050 --> 02:03:56,350
a number of intersections around Afaretta, sit there and say, oh, this traffic is very

1539
02:03:56,350 --> 02:04:00,850
much a problem here. If you guys ever go to the farmers' market, on a Saturday morning

1540
02:04:00,850 --> 02:04:06,730
I do, that hawk is active more often than not. You can't drive down Main Street while

1541
02:04:06,730 --> 02:04:12,430
that hawk is active. That's not a concern for traffic backup. Granted, I'm G-DOT and

1542
02:04:12,430 --> 02:04:17,610
other things I don't understand. But I think we need more data. I think something

1543
02:04:17,610 --> 02:04:21,370
First thing can be done before spending $27,000 to just remove it.

1544
02:04:21,930 --> 02:04:26,050
If you're going to fault the previous counsel for not having data and deciding to implement

1545
02:04:26,050 --> 02:04:30,270
this, then you guys are also at fault for not having data and deciding to remove it.

1546
02:04:30,710 --> 02:04:32,810
Don't repeat the mistakes of your previous counsel.

1547
02:04:33,230 --> 02:04:33,830
Show them better.

1548
02:04:34,570 --> 02:04:36,490
Try disabling it during the school rush hours.

1549
02:04:36,930 --> 02:04:40,630
Maybe shorten the time from 30 seconds scramble to 20.

1550
02:04:41,090 --> 02:04:42,670
That saves 33% time.

1551
02:04:42,670 --> 02:04:48,170
time. There are a lot of things you could do. At least try it first. Come back with the

1552
02:04:48,170 --> 02:04:51,830
data and then I think I would be convinced and members of the public would be convinced

1553
02:04:52,310 --> 02:04:56,750
if the data showed that it wasn't a good idea to have this here. But until that happens,

1554
02:04:57,370 --> 02:05:01,190
you're spending money and you don't know why. That's the way I see it and I hope you

1555
02:05:01,190 --> 02:05:05,910
guys will choose to at least keep the intersection long enough until you have more data

1556
02:05:05,910 --> 02:05:07,750
to make a choice. Thank you.

1557
02:05:08,610 --> 02:05:13,570
Thank you, sir. Is there anyone else that would like to come forward and speak on this

1558
02:05:13,570 --> 02:05:20,170
item? Seeing none, we'll close public comment. Do I have a motion from Council?

1559
02:05:20,290 --> 02:05:24,210
Yes, sir. I move to approve the disable and remove the pedestrian scramble at Milton

1560
02:05:24,210 --> 02:05:29,090
Avenue and Canton Street to award a contract change order to complete all necessary work

1561
02:05:29,090 --> 02:05:33,870
and to authorize the merit to execute necessary documents only after the completion

1562
02:05:33,870 --> 02:05:38,670
of the crosswalk directly to the west of said scramble we

1563
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:43,500
have a motion do we

1564
02:05:43,500 --> 02:05:44,060
have a second

1565
02:05:46,460 --> 02:05:50,820
motion fails for no second do

1566
02:05:53,700 --> 02:05:56,960
we have any other motions yes

1567
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,940
sir mr. mayor I make a motion to approve to disable and remove the pest

1568
02:05:59,940 --> 02:06:03,140
pedestrian scramble at Milton Avenue and Canton Street toward a contract

1569
02:06:03,140 --> 02:06:06,400
change order to complete all necessary work and to authorize a merit to

1570
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:12,940
execute necessary documents we have a motion do we have a second I'll

1571
02:06:15,890 --> 02:06:16,050
second

1572
02:06:16,630 --> 02:06:20,770
We have a motion by councilman will second by councilman to read out.

1573
02:06:21,670 --> 02:06:23,170
Any discussion? Yes, sir.

1574
02:06:24,490 --> 02:06:25,250
Councilman binder.

1575
02:06:26,690 --> 02:06:34,010
Um, no, I want to add a little bit more of a backstory to keep hearing about a former council member. I was one of those that

1576
02:06:34,550 --> 02:06:39,530
sponsored the idea as one of only two at the time that lived west of highway nine.

1577
02:06:41,010 --> 02:06:47,190
Taking my family and having to go and meander and having to do two crosswalks was pretty

1578
02:06:47,190 --> 02:06:52,910
scary and things were not happening and we moved at a fast pace to have that north-south

1579
02:06:52,910 --> 02:06:55,250
connection between Milton Avenue and Academy.

1580
02:06:56,550 --> 02:07:02,090
Also on the other end, there was multiple discussions by council members to add scramble

1581
02:07:02,090 --> 02:07:04,350
studies into the discussion.

1582
02:07:05,010 --> 02:07:13,050
mostly where it began was Highway 9 and Milton Avenue Academy because that's such a dangerous

1583
02:07:13,050 --> 02:07:19,150
area of having to cross twice in such a busy intersection, whereas to Pete to his credit

1584
02:07:19,150 --> 02:07:22,130
said that would be pretty difficult to prove to GDOT.

1585
02:07:22,290 --> 02:07:25,210
So we used it as an opportunity as a proof of concept.

1586
02:07:26,130 --> 02:07:28,510
I do believe that scrambled works.

1587
02:07:28,810 --> 02:07:30,990
I know a lot of families really enjoy it.

1588
02:07:31,730 --> 02:07:35,950
To say that it causes traffic, I think it's pretty silly when we have a study that says

1589
02:07:35,950 --> 02:07:39,370
that we want to slow down traffic to improve pedestrian friendly.

1590
02:07:39,610 --> 02:07:46,010
But I have to disassociate how I feel that I sponsored it to saying, where are we today?

1591
02:07:46,970 --> 02:07:50,030
Those crosswalks that we are implementing are improving.

1592
02:07:50,970 --> 02:07:53,490
However, why are we rushing to close that off now?

1593
02:07:53,630 --> 02:07:58,890
Why not just do it when we have that crosswalk for our West Side residents to use and then

1594
02:07:58,890 --> 02:08:00,230
you can shut off the scramble.

1595
02:08:00,230 --> 02:08:02,910
That's what the majority of council wants.

1596
02:08:05,110 --> 02:08:09,010
For small things like this, I'm a big fan of just hitting the vote and let's move on

1597
02:08:09,010 --> 02:08:10,870
because we got bigger fish to fry.

1598
02:08:11,050 --> 02:08:15,990
We got North Point, Web Bridge, fixing up in there, so whatever happens there.

1599
02:08:16,050 --> 02:08:20,090
But I would ask that we consider keeping the scramble until that crosswalk's finished,

1600
02:08:20,630 --> 02:08:22,270
which Pete's doing a good job with that.

1601
02:08:25,740 --> 02:08:33,420
But additionally on my bigger concerns, and I think where I was mostly frustrated on is

1602
02:08:33,420 --> 02:08:36,780
the word from the Chief saying I was directed.

1603
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:47,460
And the liaisons, which have been our job as liaisons per our code, is to serve for

1604
02:08:47,460 --> 02:08:52,280
information from those departments to City Council, but shall not direct the activities

1605
02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:53,380
these are the department directors.

1606
02:08:54,340 --> 02:08:56,900
And I think we need to work on that as a council.

1607
02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:58,160
I mean, it's not an official there,

1608
02:08:58,300 --> 02:09:00,640
but our liaison ships really need some help

1609
02:09:00,640 --> 02:09:03,200
where we're supposed to be conduits and not directing.

1610
02:09:04,060 --> 02:09:07,280
And there is, and since I guess it was an inferno,

1611
02:09:07,300 --> 02:09:08,740
I was really trying to say, you know,

1612
02:09:08,780 --> 02:09:10,000
I'll just stay quiet and be there.

1613
02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:13,140
But when one of the sponsors writes to me and says,

1614
02:09:14,660 --> 02:09:18,200
I thought it was sponsored by a past council member

1615
02:09:18,200 --> 02:09:20,100
and he is not on my good list,

1616
02:09:23,330 --> 02:09:25,370
the political gamesmanship's got to stop.

1617
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:29,090
So let's move on and make this vote on there,

1618
02:09:29,190 --> 02:09:31,450
but I would hope maybe cooler heads can prevail to say,

1619
02:09:32,030 --> 02:09:33,430
let's hold this off for 30 days

1620
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:34,930
and then we can disamble the scramble

1621
02:09:34,930 --> 02:09:37,110
until the crosswalk.

1622
02:09:37,210 --> 02:09:39,430
And that was my only intent to throw in all of brands,

1623
02:09:39,610 --> 02:09:41,230
to say, I hear what y'all are saying,

1624
02:09:41,330 --> 02:09:43,430
but please wait there.

1625
02:09:43,810 --> 02:09:46,870
So I just hope, I know we can do better

1626
02:09:46,870 --> 02:09:47,850
on liaison ships.

1627
02:09:48,790 --> 02:09:49,990
That needs to get improved.

1628
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:53,170
And but we can we can get there and work together as a team

1629
02:09:54,770 --> 02:09:55,550
Councilman hypes

1630
02:09:58,450 --> 02:09:59,910
Thank You mr. Mayor, and I

1631
02:10:00,870 --> 02:10:07,130
Wholeheartedly agree about you know looking forward looking backwards doesn't accomplish anything and you know what I wanted to say

1632
02:10:07,130 --> 02:10:13,270
Is there's been a lot of discussion about pedestrian safety, and I look around the room and other than

1633
02:10:13,730 --> 02:10:19,830
My fellow resident Daniel over here. I suspect I do more walking around downtown than anybody in this room

1634
02:10:20,510 --> 02:10:22,290
Let's take my reputation on that.

1635
02:10:22,990 --> 02:10:28,490
And I'm through that intersection quite a bit and occasionally on that rear instance

1636
02:10:28,490 --> 02:10:29,510
while I'm in my car.

1637
02:10:30,290 --> 02:10:35,550
And I do believe since pedestrian safety has come up, it's been presented as a false

1638
02:10:35,550 --> 02:10:43,390
choice because we do provide to get our pedestrians across those intersections in a safe manner

1639
02:10:43,390 --> 02:10:48,130
going with traffic like a traditional intersection.

1640
02:10:49,650 --> 02:10:56,950
As a council member, trying to determine what's best for Alpharetta, I have to take into account

1641
02:10:56,950 --> 02:11:02,650
what our staff says, and I put a lot of credence into anything that addresses safety from our

1642
02:11:02,650 --> 02:11:04,010
staff and the chief.

1643
02:11:04,670 --> 02:11:08,670
I have to take into account what I hear from the public, and I've heard from the public

1644
02:11:08,670 --> 02:11:16,470
like prior to the issue coming up on the agenda, mostly negative comments is what I had heard

1645
02:11:16,470 --> 02:11:24,910
about the scramble. And even now when it's been put out there on social media by some

1646
02:11:24,910 --> 02:11:30,930
people, it's about, you know, 50-50 or maybe a little bit more negative toward the scramble

1647
02:11:30,930 --> 02:11:38,250
than positive from what I have seen, but that's anecdotal. But lastly, I would be

1648
02:11:38,250 --> 02:11:41,930
remiss if I did not rely upon what I see and experience.

1649
02:11:42,690 --> 02:11:48,690
And what I see and experience is sitting in the left-hand turn lane at Canton, Turn Left

1650
02:11:48,690 --> 02:11:54,110
on Roswell, and the cars behind me are backed up through the Highway 9 intersection.

1651
02:11:54,830 --> 02:11:57,190
Now that's not somebody telling me that.

1652
02:11:57,290 --> 02:11:58,810
That's something that I've experienced.

1653
02:11:59,290 --> 02:12:03,410
And it was happening fairly regularly in August and into September.

1654
02:12:03,410 --> 02:12:09,970
And meanwhile, while I'm sitting there waiting to turn left, one person is using the diagonal

1655
02:12:09,970 --> 02:12:16,590
and four lanes of traffic trying to get someplace in the morning, you know, are stopped in all

1656
02:12:16,590 --> 02:12:19,190
four directions while one person was using the diagonal.

1657
02:12:20,470 --> 02:12:26,650
Now, I'm all about pedestrian safety, but I think the choice between safety or not

1658
02:12:26,650 --> 02:12:28,010
safety is the false choice.

1659
02:12:28,010 --> 02:12:31,150
I think it's a choice between safety and convenience.

1660
02:12:32,070 --> 02:12:37,890
And the convenience of that one person using the diagonal, it was far greater in favor

1661
02:12:37,890 --> 02:12:44,190
of that person than it was all the myriad of other people in all four directions trying

1662
02:12:44,190 --> 02:12:46,390
to get some place at that moment in time.

1663
02:12:46,990 --> 02:12:57,290
I will also tell you that when I have been stopped at Highway 9 to turn left on Academy

1664
02:12:57,290 --> 02:13:04,150
Highway 9 from Academy Street, I was seeing the box, the intersection, blocked on a regular

1665
02:13:04,150 --> 02:13:07,350
basis in morning traffic around 8 o'clock in the morning.

1666
02:13:07,970 --> 02:13:13,110
And most of those cars blocking the traffic, we're trying to go northbound on Highway 9

1667
02:13:13,110 --> 02:13:17,050
and turn left onto Milton Avenue like they're heading toward Innovation Academy.

1668
02:13:17,690 --> 02:13:23,970
And I would submit to anybody who is getting ready to vote on this, their pedestrian

1669
02:13:23,970 --> 02:13:25,510
safety is now becoming an issue.

1670
02:13:25,510 --> 02:13:25,570
issue.

1671
02:13:26,130 --> 02:13:31,670
We created convenience down there at Canton where the scramble was.

1672
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:36,450
We created convenience, I don't believe we enhanced safety, but we created a safety issue

1673
02:13:36,450 --> 02:13:40,050
at Milton and Highway 9 with cars blocking the box.

1674
02:13:40,770 --> 02:13:46,850
And once again, I would be remiss when this item is brought forward if I didn't take

1675
02:13:46,850 --> 02:13:52,050
into account those things that I experience and can bring to the table as a council

1676
02:13:52,050 --> 02:13:54,210
person being a downtown resident.

1677
02:13:54,210 --> 02:13:54,630
So,

1678
02:13:57,590 --> 02:14:03,910
you know, it's, I think we need to look forward and I think we just need to do and

1679
02:14:03,910 --> 02:14:06,750
make the best decision we can for our residents.

1680
02:14:07,070 --> 02:14:10,190
And so to that I want to echo Councilman Binder's statement.

1681
02:14:12,090 --> 02:14:12,870
Councilman Mitchell.

1682
02:14:15,110 --> 02:14:21,550
I would agree with Councilmember Hype's assertion that Highway 9 and people blocking

1683
02:14:21,550 --> 02:14:22,150
the box.

1684
02:14:22,150 --> 02:14:28,450
I know there's a way we can put up signs that say do not block the box and start ticketing

1685
02:14:28,450 --> 02:14:31,570
those vehicles.

1686
02:14:32,590 --> 02:14:41,950
But pedestrian deaths are up 51.5 percent since hitting a low of 4,109 in 2009.

1687
02:14:42,290 --> 02:14:46,810
That's 51.5 percent according to GHSA.

1688
02:14:46,810 --> 02:14:53,850
They now make up about 16% of all road deaths, up 12% in 2009, death on foot.

1689
02:14:55,010 --> 02:14:59,970
More than 7,000 pedestrians were killed in our nation's roads and crashes and

1690
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,740
Involving a motor vehicle in 2020. That's about one death every 75 minutes. And there were also

1691
02:15:08,740 --> 02:15:17,660
an estimated 104,000 emergency department visits and pedestrians treated for non-fatal crash-related

1692
02:15:17,660 --> 02:15:25,440
injuries in 2020. So my whole thing is, if we want to change it and adjust the scramble

1693
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:30,760
so that perhaps like you had suggested one person was walking across where it has to

1694
02:15:30,760 --> 02:15:36,300
be pressed twice before the scrambles activated, I'm good with that. But I'm not good with

1695
02:15:36,300 --> 02:15:42,460
going backwards as a city and going backwards when we say our long range comprehensive land

1696
02:15:42,460 --> 02:15:47,240
use plan for our downtown is to create a pedestrian friendly and the vehicular

1697
02:15:47,240 --> 02:15:52,060
friendly downtown. And we've done that. We've gotten more density in the last

1698
02:15:52,060 --> 02:15:58,780
10 years. Consequently, as you just so eloquently said, ma'am, we've increased our pedestrian

1699
02:15:58,780 --> 02:16:07,960
traffic exponentially. And thereby, there are misses and near misses of people on who almost

1700
02:16:07,960 --> 02:16:13,840
had an accident or who have darted across our street. So pedestrian safety is a main

1701
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:19,820
factor for why I will not vote to remove this scramble, because scramble's whether

1702
02:16:19,820 --> 02:16:25,920
whether you choose to admit it or not, they're suggested by national pedestrian experts who

1703
02:16:27,180 --> 02:16:35,120
major in these areas. They are suggested as means to get traffic across busy intersections.

1704
02:16:35,540 --> 02:16:39,620
So it's not just something that the previous council dreamed up. It's something that's

1705
02:16:39,620 --> 02:16:44,920
real and it was something we did look at. Now, I think we need to do some pedestrian

1706
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:49,700
studies in our downtown. I think we really need to know whether or not how many people

1707
02:16:49,700 --> 02:16:54,920
there versus how many people were there 10 years ago or even a year ago. It's

1708
02:16:54,920 --> 02:16:59,640
increased even a year. Our bicycle traffic has increased in our downtown

1709
02:16:59,640 --> 02:17:05,960
area and we really don't know those studies and quite frankly to me a

1710
02:17:05,960 --> 02:17:10,180
public safety department, our main concern should not only be automobiles

1711
02:17:10,180 --> 02:17:14,300
but it should be pedestrian safety as well because that's what our city is

1712
02:17:14,300 --> 02:17:19,120
all about now. It's what every mixed use development area of our city is

1713
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:24,820
about is about making people, allowing them to walk around without being hit or injured

1714
02:17:24,820 --> 02:17:29,920
or killed. And so I can't support this tonight. I think it's a ridiculous thing to go back

1715
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:37,060
and spend $30,000 after we spent $100,000 implementing it just a year ago. It's a bad

1716
02:17:37,060 --> 02:17:43,720
use of funds and it's a retaliatory political thing, if you ask me. Thank you.

1717
02:17:46,310 --> 02:17:47,790
Any other comments?

1718
02:17:48,290 --> 02:17:48,930
Councilman Dorito?

1719
02:17:49,810 --> 02:17:54,670
Let me start out apologizing publicly to Councilman Mitchell and Binder.

1720
02:17:55,030 --> 02:17:59,770
I wasn't intended on, you know, attacking you on my comments.

1721
02:17:59,910 --> 02:18:00,570
It wasn't intended.

1722
02:18:00,750 --> 02:18:08,990
I was just emotionally concerned about our directors, at least my perception.

1723
02:18:09,650 --> 02:18:12,210
I won't suggest what you were attempting to do.

1724
02:18:12,210 --> 02:18:19,330
but, you know, being the so-called punching bag to the issue that we're discussing tonight.

1725
02:18:19,710 --> 02:18:22,010
Let's all be honest and be very transparent.

1726
02:18:22,810 --> 02:18:28,110
This issue happened before Councilman Will and I got on the City Council, and it was

1727
02:18:28,110 --> 02:18:28,710
very political.

1728
02:18:29,090 --> 02:18:35,850
In fact, all the time I spent researching public discussions on before the scramble

1729
02:18:35,850 --> 02:18:39,690
was approved and the money was appropriated, that by the way, from at least what I've

1730
02:18:39,690 --> 02:18:46,690
read from minutes and things that there was no appropriation in the budget for a scramble

1731
02:18:46,690 --> 02:18:52,050
that the money was allocated at the time. And there's very little discussion on it by those

1732
02:18:52,050 --> 02:18:57,270
who sponsored it. I'm not suggesting that their intentions are bad. I think we're all

1733
02:18:57,270 --> 02:19:04,970
here to improve pedestrian safety and traffic safety whenever we can. And Councilman Mitchell

1734
02:19:04,970 --> 02:19:09,270
right, I mean, we've seen a dramatic increase in the activities of downtown

1735
02:19:09,270 --> 02:19:14,270
Alpharetta, and on top of that, while we talk about traffic safety and pedestrian

1736
02:19:14,270 --> 02:19:19,730
safety, this council and our retreat of your call and subsequent to that, which

1737
02:19:19,730 --> 02:19:23,690
Chief Roberson has discussed, just public safety in the city center areas

1738
02:19:23,690 --> 02:19:27,390
as far as beefing up our police presence and making sure that we

1739
02:19:27,390 --> 02:19:33,670
maintain a very safe environment all around. With that said, I got to be

1740
02:19:33,670 --> 02:19:35,510
To be honest with you, I struggle with this.

1741
02:19:35,970 --> 02:19:45,150
I struggle with this because first of all, I wasn't here to create the political football in the last council that led us to this discussion tonight.

1742
02:19:46,930 --> 02:19:50,510
I don't think, by the way, Chief Oberson was directed.

1743
02:19:50,750 --> 02:19:52,770
He was probably requested to take a look at it.

1744
02:19:54,030 --> 02:19:57,470
I've had multiple discussions with our public works director on it.

1745
02:19:58,190 --> 02:20:05,930
You know, they're here answering our questions and it would have been nice if a traffic study

1746
02:20:05,930 --> 02:20:10,690
was done as part of the consideration for implementing a scramble anywhere in the city

1747
02:20:10,690 --> 02:20:16,970
or a pedestrian study to support the investment of a little over $103,000 of taxpayer funding.

1748
02:20:18,030 --> 02:20:22,850
I even asked Pete today, you know, for the $27,000 and change whatever the exact

1749
02:20:22,850 --> 02:20:30,510
amount is in the agenda tonight. To remove the scramble, you know, it seems to me if

1750
02:20:30,510 --> 02:20:34,530
you remove the striping and you turn off the switches, it could be a lot cheaper, but he

1751
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:39,450
provided a full explanation of why it would cost that much, which made a lot of sense

1752
02:20:39,450 --> 02:20:43,210
from an aesthetically pleasing standpoint. To remove those stripes from the street,

1753
02:20:43,370 --> 02:20:47,730
it's a lot bigger project than it looks. You can't just cover up the yellow walkways

1754
02:20:47,730 --> 02:20:54,470
in that sort of thing. So I've done a lot of, I spent a lot of time on this issue. I knew

1755
02:20:54,470 --> 02:20:58,530
it was going to become political tonight. Not because I wanted it to be or anybody wanted

1756
02:20:58,530 --> 02:21:02,850
it to be. It's just there's a lot of heat on this discussion even when it happened

1757
02:21:02,850 --> 02:21:03,610
in the last council.

1758
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:10,370
I, you know, looked at the walkability study from 2018. Yeah,

1759
02:21:10,390 --> 02:21:13,790
a lot of things have changed. And maybe the good thing that will come out of this

1760
02:21:13,790 --> 02:21:20,110
discussion tonight is as Councilor Mitchell already suggests is maybe we do do a current

1761
02:21:20,110 --> 02:21:25,630
study of pedestrian safety and traffic safety in the downtown area or other parts of the

1762
02:21:25,630 --> 02:21:32,290
city where we see a high growth level and an impact on current safety standards that

1763
02:21:32,290 --> 02:21:34,150
we have around the city.

1764
02:21:36,270 --> 02:21:40,310
I just think that and my personal experience and I'm going

1765
02:21:40,310 --> 02:21:45,810
to take it down to that because I do go down the city center on weekends with my wife and

1766
02:21:45,810 --> 02:21:48,690
sometimes my kids when they're in town and friends and family.

1767
02:21:51,050 --> 02:21:52,450
Every time we go through

1768
02:21:52,450 --> 02:21:58,850
that scramble there's a lot of confusion by people. And to me that's a pedestrian safety

1769
02:21:58,850 --> 02:22:03,150
concern because people are not used to a scramble. And typically scramble is from at least

1770
02:22:03,150 --> 02:22:07,510
my research and I think the only one in the region is Georgia Tech. I have thousands

1771
02:22:07,510 --> 02:22:09,550
thousands of students crossing it on that intersection.

1772
02:22:10,090 --> 02:22:11,710
And I think it's a timed intersection.

1773
02:22:12,030 --> 02:22:15,030
I don't think you hit buttons and turn on the scramble to turn off the scramble.

1774
02:22:15,550 --> 02:22:21,670
And so there's a little bit better safety precautions given to how that scramble operates for,

1775
02:22:22,590 --> 02:22:27,750
you might have 30 students on each corner trying to cross it between classes or what have you.

1776
02:22:28,330 --> 02:22:34,750
We have a different situation down here where you don't have that type of value unless you have the blue moon or

1777
02:22:34,750 --> 02:22:36,610
some big event going on in city center,

1778
02:22:36,970 --> 02:22:40,650
where you have 30 people in each corner trying to cross.

1779
02:22:41,310 --> 02:22:42,950
And I think the confusion of hitting the buttons

1780
02:22:42,950 --> 02:22:44,390
and which button and which way to go,

1781
02:22:44,570 --> 02:22:45,970
I've seen a lot of people confused.

1782
02:22:46,530 --> 02:22:49,290
And that itself is a pedestrian safety issue in my mind.

1783
02:22:50,050 --> 02:22:53,570
And so I wanna leave with this thought.

1784
02:22:54,330 --> 02:22:57,730
Removing the scramble does not remove pedestrian safety

1785
02:22:57,730 --> 02:22:58,410
at that intersection.

1786
02:22:58,690 --> 02:23:01,110
In fact, I think it will enhance it

1787
02:23:01,110 --> 02:23:06,850
and by bringing it back to a what I'll call normal intersection where the lights will change

1788
02:23:06,850 --> 02:23:09,790
and people will cross with the right signage and all that stuff.

1789
02:23:10,310 --> 02:23:19,350
And we eliminate the turns that Pete spoke about earlier to kind of just provide some

1790
02:23:19,910 --> 02:23:23,350
consistent traffic though there but also safely for the people who are trying to cross that

1791
02:23:23,350 --> 02:23:23,790
intersection.

1792
02:23:24,550 --> 02:23:28,530
And for that reason that's why I believe it's the right thing to move forward and

1793
02:23:28,530 --> 02:23:31,250
and change this intersection to, you know,

1794
02:23:31,650 --> 02:23:33,390
basically bring it back to an intersection

1795
02:23:33,390 --> 02:23:34,470
that people can understand.

1796
02:23:34,950 --> 02:23:38,690
And the low value that we have of what typically hits

1797
02:23:38,690 --> 02:23:41,810
a scramble around the country in Alpharetta,

1798
02:23:42,690 --> 02:23:45,010
it actually will enhance the safety of that intersection.

1799
02:23:45,350 --> 02:23:47,190
And that's the conclusion I'm coming to.

1800
02:23:50,620 --> 02:23:51,520
Any other discussion?

1801
02:23:52,640 --> 02:23:54,280
Councilman Buyer, do you have a question?

1802
02:23:54,740 --> 02:23:56,740
Question, I asked and it kind of floated,

1803
02:23:57,020 --> 02:23:59,380
but after making my comments,

1804
02:23:59,980 --> 02:24:11,520
Is there any interest to executing this today, but holding it until Pete's crosswalk is completed in November at the end of November?

1805
02:24:11,740 --> 02:24:12,600
Can I comment on the question?

1806
02:24:13,260 --> 02:24:15,800
Yeah, I mean, if you want to make comments, there's your opportunity.

1807
02:24:15,980 --> 02:24:20,640
My understanding is it's not even operating right now, correct? It hasn't been operating.

1808
02:24:26,100 --> 02:24:30,980
Yes, no, I understood that. I was asking to put it back on until it got back on November. Sorry, sir.

1809
02:24:30,980 --> 02:24:34,140
All cars on the table, it is not operating now.

1810
02:24:34,320 --> 02:24:36,300
However, we did notice that the light went in flash

1811
02:24:36,300 --> 02:24:38,480
about two weeks ago when we checked our records

1812
02:24:38,480 --> 02:24:41,640
and when we reset the signal, unfortunately,

1813
02:24:41,940 --> 02:24:43,400
yes, the scramble was not working.

1814
02:24:43,640 --> 02:24:47,140
However, when someone did push the yellow call button,

1815
02:24:48,340 --> 02:24:52,020
the two perpendicular pellet tracks,

1816
02:24:52,200 --> 02:24:55,240
the white lines were actually holding still.

1817
02:24:56,040 --> 02:24:59,320
So in other words, it was working as a scramble,

1818
02:24:59,320 --> 02:25:02,660
unfortunately, there was no countdowns for diagonal.

1819
02:25:03,160 --> 02:25:05,000
So all the traffic was stopped for a little bit.

1820
02:25:05,440 --> 02:25:08,820
So we caught the air, reprogrammed everything.

1821
02:25:10,040 --> 02:25:12,020
What happened is we went back to factory setting.

1822
02:25:12,820 --> 02:25:14,560
So we had to reset everything again.

1823
02:25:14,820 --> 02:25:17,060
So it is not operational now, that is for sure.

1824
02:25:17,700 --> 02:25:20,240
The one thing I had to air on caution,

1825
02:25:20,740 --> 02:25:22,560
Councilman Binder, is they're gonna be doing

1826
02:25:22,560 --> 02:25:23,300
milling resurfacing.

1827
02:25:24,540 --> 02:25:28,260
So when we fin, I can't finish this,

1828
02:25:28,260 --> 02:25:36,240
the mid-block crosswalk and keep the scramble open because milling or sourcing operations

1829
02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:42,820
are going to remove the scramble crosswalk. At the same time, we're finalizing the mid-block

1830
02:25:42,820 --> 02:25:43,240
crosswalk.

1831
02:25:49,240 --> 02:25:49,980
Thank you, sir.

1832
02:25:55,950 --> 02:25:58,830
Any other comments? I'll

1833
02:25:58,830 --> 02:26:04,610
just make a couple. One is to Councilman Dorito's point, you know, several years

1834
02:26:04,610 --> 02:26:09,670
ago I was in Nashville and I actually remember saying, well, maybe a scramble could work.

1835
02:26:10,410 --> 02:26:19,520
But there's ways we typically go about making investments with the public's money. And typically

1836
02:26:20,410 --> 02:26:30,040
we know that if we're spending $100,000, we've got some data or some experience or

1837
02:26:30,040 --> 02:26:35,100
recommendation from staff to rely on and none of that took place. I share

1838
02:26:35,100 --> 02:26:40,720
Councilman Mitchell's frustration. It annoys me to no end that we're sitting here

1839
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:47,100
talking about spending more money to fix something that we never ever studied to

1840
02:26:47,100 --> 02:26:52,740
see if it was going to have the wanted impact. And I'm disappointed on that. I

1841
02:26:52,740 --> 02:26:58,780
trust Pete, I trust John Robinson, despite what anybody thinks, we have

1842
02:26:58,780 --> 02:27:06,620
have the best safety record of pedestrian safety of any of the cities around us. And yes, do

1843
02:27:06,620 --> 02:27:12,400
we need to improve? Yes, we do. And have we? Yes, we have. We spent millions of dollars

1844
02:27:12,400 --> 02:27:19,360
on pedestrian safety downtown. And to the nice woman who was talking about downtown,

1845
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:26,040
it is a shame sometimes that when zoning decisions were made, that pedestrian safety

1846
02:27:26,040 --> 02:27:30,020
he wasn't taken into consideration and traffic, quite frankly, at those times.

1847
02:27:30,800 --> 02:27:36,340
And I share your frustration with some of that as the only person who voted against that

1848
02:27:36,340 --> 02:27:41,020
hotel, not because it wasn't great and it wasn't good for the economy and it's been

1849
02:27:41,020 --> 02:27:46,740
great for downtown economically, but the traffic patterns it created has been tremendously

1850
02:27:46,740 --> 02:27:47,560
problematic.

1851
02:27:48,000 --> 02:27:52,700
And that was foreseeable, but it's there now and it's going to remain there.

1852
02:27:52,700 --> 02:27:58,320
So we have to do the best we can to keep people safe in that built environment now.

1853
02:27:58,860 --> 02:28:00,820
So I do support it.

1854
02:28:03,690 --> 02:28:13,570
That being said, the motion was to approve the Milton Avenue County Street pedestrian scramble approval to disable.

1855
02:28:14,310 --> 02:28:17,910
All those in favor, please vote yes, otherwise vote accordingly.

1856
02:28:20,530 --> 02:28:22,210
And it does pass, 5-2.

1857
02:28:22,210 --> 02:28:27,490
that wrap up that part of the new business and we'll move on to the

1858
02:28:27,490 --> 02:28:31,890
Intergovernmental Agreement Alfredo jail facility and operations director

1859
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:43,380
Robinson you have the floor okay that's fine he's taking enough air I'm sure

1860
02:28:43,380 --> 02:28:48,900
y'all will have questions for him but so as you all know we have the Alfredo

1861
02:28:48,900 --> 02:28:53,200
jail facility which Fulton County had been or the Fulton County Sheriff had

1862
02:28:53,200 --> 02:28:57,400
been operating I think until 2019 and it's been out of commission since then this

1863
02:28:57,400 --> 02:29:02,840
IGA with Fulton County is intended to get it back up and running and so I think

1864
02:29:02,840 --> 02:29:06,400
that Fulton County is already working on the jail itself but this agreement

1865
02:29:07,320 --> 02:29:13,800
provides our city with basically relief for our officers so that when they

1866
02:29:13,800 --> 02:29:17,800
find someone and they need to book them it's more convenient it's located

1867
02:29:17,800 --> 02:29:22,160
here it's quicker turnaround because the sheriff's office is handling it in

1868
02:29:22,160 --> 02:29:29,520
city so our officers can get back out on the street. It gives the city a minimum of or at

1869
02:29:29,520 --> 02:29:38,480
all times 20 spaces for alpharetta inmates specifically. So the jail is going to be operated

1870
02:29:38,480 --> 02:29:45,200
fully by the Fulton County Sheriff. We would pay booking fees for our individual alpharetta

1871
02:29:45,200 --> 02:29:50,360
inmates, be responsible for utilities which was I think the same as it was with the

1872
02:29:50,360 --> 02:29:56,340
prior agreement, though we do not currently have any other agreements in place.

1873
02:29:56,760 --> 02:29:59,840
We are going to be, and I think you'll have actually already approved a conflict resolution.

1874
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,460
We have a motion for our office to work on agreements with other North Fulton municipalities

1875
02:30:05,460 --> 02:30:10,040
so that they can also utilize the jail. So that might actually offset some of those costs.

1876
02:30:10,400 --> 02:30:19,960
So I think there was, let me see what the actual cost is. It's, yeah, it's $60 a day for a

1877
02:30:19,960 --> 02:30:26,740
booking fee after they've spent their four hours in the jail facility and then the

1878
02:30:26,740 --> 02:30:34,060
costs for utilities, but the cost for utilities could be offset with additional agreements depending on if you know Milton or

1879
02:30:34,060 --> 02:30:36,060
John's Creek or anybody else wants to use it

1880
02:30:36,060 --> 02:30:41,380
And those separate agreements which would come to you at a different date would provide for them to have

1881
02:30:41,980 --> 02:30:43,740
Allocated spaces as well

1882
02:30:43,740 --> 02:30:50,280
But ultimately this is intended to provide some relief to to our public safety department and have the jail operational again

1883
02:30:52,900 --> 02:30:55,440
Any questions from my last line on this?

1884
02:30:56,520 --> 02:30:58,040
Councilman will have

1885
02:31:00,500 --> 02:31:05,920
we implemented the additional fees on tickets in court cases yet so that

1886
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:07,880
we can cover costs so

1887
02:31:10,830 --> 02:31:14,090
that will be the next step that yes apparently that will be the

1888
02:31:14,090 --> 02:31:18,970
next step apparently was not the answer I'm looking I can go ahead take a shot of that

1889
02:31:18,970 --> 02:31:23,510
yes yes we will but the precursor to doing that is to have this idea in place until

1890
02:31:23,510 --> 02:31:27,710
you all vote on this idea there was nothing for us to do to start that process but if

1891
02:31:27,710 --> 02:31:29,910
If you approve this tonight, then the answer to your questions, yes.

1892
02:31:30,370 --> 02:31:30,730
Thank you.

1893
02:31:33,470 --> 02:31:35,470
Any other questions for staff on this item?

1894
02:31:38,150 --> 02:31:38,650
Thank you, gentlemen.

1895
02:31:40,590 --> 02:31:42,590
Mr. Shapiro, do we have any public comment cards?

1896
02:31:43,050 --> 02:31:43,970
We do not, Mr. Mayor.

1897
02:31:44,590 --> 02:31:48,570
However, if anyone would like to come forward and speak on the JLIGA, how's your chance

1898
02:31:48,570 --> 02:31:49,130
to do so?

1899
02:31:50,050 --> 02:31:54,170
Seeing no one, we'll close the public comment to have a motion by Council.

1900
02:31:58,020 --> 02:32:01,100
Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to approve an intergovernmental agreement by and between

1901
02:32:01,100 --> 02:32:04,140
the City of Alpharetta, Georgia and Fulton County Sheriff's Office and Fulton County,

1902
02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:10,260
Georgia to board and provide for the housing of inmates at the Alpharetta County jail, Alpharetta

1903
02:32:10,260 --> 02:32:10,720
jail, sorry.

1904
02:32:11,620 --> 02:32:12,380
I'll second that.

1905
02:32:12,860 --> 02:32:13,640
The longer version.

1906
02:32:14,260 --> 02:32:15,380
That would be third.

1907
02:32:16,620 --> 02:32:20,820
So we do have a motion by Councilman Will, seconded by Mayor Pro Tem Merkle, and that

1908
02:32:20,820 --> 02:32:24,760
was to approve the Intergovernmental Agreement, Alpharetta Jail Facility and Operations

1909
02:32:24,760 --> 02:32:27,140
as outlined by Councilman Will.

1910
02:32:27,140 --> 02:32:33,960
All those in favor please vote yes otherwise vote accordingly councilman

1911
02:32:36,200 --> 02:32:40,040
will and it does pass unanimously

1912
02:32:41,740 --> 02:32:44,920
So that wrap up new business portion of tonight's meeting

1913
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:50,740
Now there's an opportunity for public comment if anyone might come forward at this time

1914
02:32:52,570 --> 02:32:55,430
Seeing none will close public comment

1915
02:32:56,010 --> 02:32:56,950
any reports

1916
02:32:59,110 --> 02:33:04,110
Councilman Mitchell. I'd like to wish all of our South Asian residents, which

1917
02:33:04,110 --> 02:33:08,390
comprise about 13 percent of our population, our largest minority group,

1918
02:33:08,750 --> 02:33:14,630
happy Diwali that is today and wish them the best and bringing light into the

1919
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:14,850
world.

1920
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:22,080
Any other reports? Mr. Mayor, if I may, I'd like to give a report on our

1921
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:27,540
election season. Thank you for asking. I would love to hear that. Wonderful. So

1922
02:33:27,540 --> 02:33:30,640
So as you all may know, it is election season.

1923
02:33:30,940 --> 02:33:35,140
Early voting began earlier this month and will go until November 4th.

1924
02:33:35,200 --> 02:33:39,560
So our local early voting location is the Alfreda Library just right next door.

1925
02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:45,420
As a friendly reminder, early voting is on the upper floor of the library, so the lower

1926
02:33:45,420 --> 02:33:49,080
floors are locked when the library is not typically open.

1927
02:33:49,600 --> 02:33:55,720
But earlier this spring, we did start some poll worker training within the City of

1928
02:33:55,720 --> 02:34:00,020
Alpharetta hosted right here in City Hall and our turnout was okay it could

1929
02:34:00,020 --> 02:34:03,940
have been better so we had about two days of poll worker training but I'm

1930
02:34:03,940 --> 02:34:09,660
happy to report that we have had an incredible turnout for this season's

1931
02:34:09,660 --> 02:34:15,100
poll worker training so that's where we coordinate four days on our schedule

1932
02:34:15,100 --> 02:34:21,080
this year to offer classes two classes a day to our poll workers in our city

1933
02:34:21,080 --> 02:34:23,440
also in residence in North Fulton.

1934
02:34:24,020 --> 02:34:31,700
So each class allows about 25 citizens to participate in the poll worker training sessions.

1935
02:34:32,320 --> 02:34:36,180
And we had several days that the poll worker classes were completely full.

1936
02:34:36,320 --> 02:34:38,220
So we had never experienced that in town before.

1937
02:34:38,500 --> 02:34:43,520
So just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone in our community that's participating

1938
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:46,120
in our local election for this season.

1939
02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:49,820
And we're also going to be coordinating additional days.

1940
02:34:49,820 --> 02:34:53,800
It's one of the greater turnouts that they've had in Fulton County for pole worker training.

1941
02:34:54,180 --> 02:34:57,260
So we look forward to getting to hosting next time we have it.

1942
02:34:59,420 --> 02:35:00,460
Great job Lauren.

1943
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:05,280
She was telling me about that the other day and I thought I would like for you to share

1944
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:08,320
that with the public and with the rest of council because you've done a tremendous

1945
02:35:08,320 --> 02:35:13,620
job and an issue that was very pointed a couple of years ago and while it's still

1946
02:35:13,620 --> 02:35:18,960
as critical, Alpharetta has been the most proactive community I've seen in North

1947
02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:22,240
and so I appreciate it. Well thank you Mr. Mayor. You're welcome.

1948
02:35:25,590 --> 02:35:26,370
We have no

1949
02:35:26,370 --> 02:35:28,290
executive session necessary tonight.

1950
02:35:30,720 --> 02:35:31,880
Have a motion to adjourn?

1951
02:35:35,890 --> 02:35:37,050
We have a motion by

1952
02:35:37,050 --> 02:35:40,150
Councilman Binder, a second by Councilman Mitchell, all those in favor of

1953
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:48,400
adjourning please vote yes. Thank you ladies and gentlemen.