1 00:00:02,639 --> 00:00:08,559 We're now doing things by Zoom. Uh, do we need to take RO for our study 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:12,080 session? Yes. We should we should get on the record who's here. So, we can have 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:14,000 the city clerk take. >> Council member Cow 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:19,800 » here. >> Council member Han 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,800 » Council member Quan. 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,600 » Mayor Prompu. >> Yes. 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:30,080 » Mayor Ch >> here. Right. people are on the zoom and 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,080 » Karen just joined. >> Okay. 9 00:00:36,239 --> 00:00:43,320 So, how many people are on the zoom and would like to speak uh as to the study 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,320 session I am 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:49,440 Michelle? Do you have any public comments on 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:53,840 » um not yet? I'm trying to uh it's not allowing me to 13 00:00:53,199 --> 00:00:56,960 » Yeah, >> I don't think we have 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:00,640 » attendings >> to make her a panelist. 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:04,479 » Okay, one second. We need to >> So, while while we're doing this, what 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,439 I'll do, Michelle, is just for the people who may want to speak. Well, if 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:13,920 you raise your hand and then we'll close it. The um this because this is the 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:17,680 special meeting. This public comment section will be for the items that are 19 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:22,080 on the special meeting agenda. There will be additional public comment at 7 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:26,159 o'clock. This will only be limited to items on our study session or close 21 00:01:23,759 --> 00:01:30,159 session. >> I think 22 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,280 sir, are you here to speak on the study session item as well or is it just 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,360 » I don't know. Yeah, I haven't heard what you have to say. 24 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,640 » Understood. >> We do take public comments at the 25 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:43,759 beginning. So, that would be the opportunity to speak if you'd like to 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:50,240 speak before we get started. Well, I assume this is about the drone. 27 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:55,720 I think I had a couple questions. Okay, let us get this squared away and then 28 00:01:51,759 --> 00:01:55,720 we'll we'll take your questions. 29 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:15,640 See if I can hear. 30 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:28,080 » So, um, we're trying to promote council member Fan to a panelist so she can 31 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:32,480 participate. We need to send her the request again. The first one we sent was 32 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:38,879 declined. So, 33 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,879 but she is on. Okay, she's on. Correct. 34 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:45,360 Was there someone in the room who wanted to make public comments? Okay. And then 35 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:50,840 we have some fine too. >> We have two. 36 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,840 » Let's see. 37 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:02,120 » If there's anybody that wishes to speak on public comment online, please raise 38 00:02:58,959 --> 00:03:02,120 your hand. 39 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:14,319 one hand raised. >> Okay, we'll have five minutes for the 40 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:18,040 person online and then five minutes for producer as well. 41 00:03:23,519 --> 00:03:28,920 » Devin, please proceed with your public comment. 42 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:45,400 So he accept the request. Deon, if you're speaking, you should 43 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,400 unmute yourself. 44 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:57,519 Devin, are you with us? Okay. Technology is amazing. What 45 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:03,519 » we could do is we could have the the speaker in the room if you have five 46 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:10,920 minutes to speak, sir. Okay. Um I understood the very brief summary 47 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,920 discussion 48 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:23,520 especially today is about civilian and tactical drone use. Is that correct? 49 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:27,600 No. And are you allowed to answer? >> So we're not really supposed to. So it's 50 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:30,080 not really a conversation but if you but you are correct. 51 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:36,639 » Okay. Okay. Well, that's why I was thinking I would wait until after so I 52 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:43,680 know what my questions were. But, uh, to the extent that you are contemplating 53 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:47,600 tactical drone use, um, what's the genesis of that need? That's one of my 54 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:53,280 questions. Two, are you contemplating that this 55 00:04:50,400 --> 00:05:00,160 will be run by a city department such as the police department or by a third 56 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:07,919 outside agency? Three, do you anticipate that this tactical use will be 57 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:12,720 coordinated or correlated with the license plate cameras that are prevalent 58 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:18,160 throughout the session? Or 59 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:24,560 do you anticipate that the cost of this is going to be a normal budget item or 60 00:05:20,479 --> 00:05:28,960 it's going to be defraed by some outside entity providing the service and 61 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:34,960 therefore fraing the cost? Those are my initial 62 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:39,280 questions and I will probably have more after I hear you all talk and then I'll 63 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:43,039 come back for the next meeting and ask those questions again. 64 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,520 » Yeah. So the four questions I heard uh what was your name sir? 65 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:51,919 » David Bigalow. >> Mr. Bigalow. Um 66 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:56,720 just to clarify it is Genesis of Need run by a city department or an outside 67 00:05:53,919 --> 00:06:02,479 agency coordinated or correlated with the license plate reader and the cost of 68 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,319 this is it going to be a budget item or or something else? 69 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:15,039 » Oh and there is one more question. Um to the extent that there is civilian use 70 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:20,880 limited or allowed um is there any 71 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:28,160 feasibility that has been considered for the areas of the city that are fairly 72 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:34,479 impacted [clears throat] by the San Gabriel Valley airport. I for example 73 00:06:31,039 --> 00:06:41,680 live right under the flight path of the sustenance that routinely do touches at 74 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:47,840 that airport. So I would be impacted if either tactical civilian drone use were 75 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:52,720 allowed over a certain height limit. >> Thank you. 76 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:56,919 » All right. Uh do we have the person online that would like to speak? 77 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,440 » Kevin, are you with us? Did you want to make a comment? 78 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:10,319 » Are you talking to me, >> Devin? Oh, that's mayor. Oh, sorry. 79 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,400 Council member, >> I'm sorry, Sharon. We were we were uh we 80 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:19,440 were asking for there's a person online with the name of Devon that had said 81 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:23,039 originally they wanted to speak. >> Okay. 82 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:26,479 » Okay, great. Let's have our presentation. 83 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:30,960 So, this is an item before that we get to the the police. So, um this is an 84 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:36,880 item that was actually, I believe, asked for by um council member Cal. We have an 85 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:40,720 item in this year's budget to add drones in the police department. 86 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,280 And there was sort of a general question on if we're going to be adding them in 87 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,400 the police department, what sort of policies and protocols will there be in 88 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:52,240 the police department? But it also references in the last couple of months 89 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:58,000 we've had increased number of concerns about private drone flights or quazi 90 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:03,440 governmental flights that were happening over um the the wildland areas. 91 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:08,080 Specifically Edison was flying checking their power lines with drones and kind 92 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:11,759 of was the general question of what are the rules? Should there be different 93 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:15,360 rules? What are other cities doing about drones and those types of things? So 94 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,319 since it was in the budget, it was a good time to kind of collectively talk 95 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,400 about all that. I think that kind of characterizes what we understand the 96 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:23,840 question was. >> Yes sir, city manager. That does 97 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,160 characterize what uh what our points are. 98 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:32,159 » Okay. So we have a presentation if it going to be led by our acting chief 99 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:36,240 here. Um but uh it also goes it goes into private and public sector and what 100 00:08:33,839 --> 00:08:40,479 the FCC says about all these things. And I think the presentation automatically 101 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:43,680 includes most of the questions that uh Mr. Mr. Bigalow had, but we'll make sure 102 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,440 to answer all those questions as well. >> Yes. So, thank you all for allowing us 103 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:51,680 to be here, mayor, council, everyone else. Um, forgive me while I fumble 104 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,959 through this as my first one, but uh if I mess anything up, please stop me and 105 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:58,800 get me back in line. Um, I have Lieutenant Ryan Mohal here. He is our 106 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:03,440 subject matter expert for all things drones. Um, normally when I do these 107 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:06,959 kind of presentations, I don't like to just talk because I figure I'm talking 108 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,839 and I'm not answering your guys' questions. We'll go through the slides. 109 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:13,519 If there's things that you guys have questions for, please just interrupt me 110 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:17,120 and we'll address them as it goes on. So again, um, Lieutenant Mohal put this 111 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:21,120 together with the help of Justine. I think it's very comprehensive in terms 112 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:24,399 of what it covers. So, um, if it's something that, uh, you guys want to 113 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:28,480 expand on, we're happy to answer any questions that you may have. 114 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:32,720 So again, some of the stuff that we'll talk about tonight, um just an overview 115 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:37,279 of what the federal regulations look like, what are our restrictions both 116 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:44,000 locally, um what does the FAA have to say in terms of drone usage, um what can 117 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:47,760 we expect to uh adhere to in terms of local rules and regulations, and what 118 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:53,680 should we have our our citizens be familiar with? Um, I think a lot of this 119 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:58,240 pertains to an educational campaign for our civilians. I'm sorry, for our 120 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:03,399 citizens. Um, so that's kind of going to be what our uh foundation is here. 121 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:13,839 So, what that says, I know there up there, but it it's rules for every drone 122 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:20,240 operator. So, um, what is it that a drone operator needs to understand when 123 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:25,600 they go out and fly a drone? Um, essentially, when I first understood 124 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:29,200 drones, I thought that the FAA had a strict set of rules that you came in and 125 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:33,360 I had to abide by those, and if I didn't abide by those, I was fined. I was put 126 00:10:31,839 --> 00:10:36,079 in jail. And there were things that happened. Come to find out through the 127 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:39,360 research and through the assistance of Lieutenant Mohal, it's not as clear-cut. 128 00:10:39,287 --> 00:10:44,240 » [clears throat] >> Um there are different categories in 129 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:48,800 terms of drone operators. Um both a hobbyist and then a professional use. 130 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:55,360 Those are both uh subject to different restrictions. So in essence um if I'm a 131 00:10:53,120 --> 00:11:00,240 16-year-old kid in my backyard flying a drone, I can fly it. I don't have to 132 00:10:58,079 --> 00:11:04,800 clear it with the FAA. I don't have to have uh specific rules and regulations. 133 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:10,959 I'm considered a hobbyist. So, I can go out and I can let that drone fly up and 134 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:15,360 as long as I don't violate state laws that are in place which pertain to 135 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:19,040 peeping, things like that kind of prowling. And I think that's where some 136 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:24,000 of the concerns with uh Council Member Cow came in. As long as we're not 137 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:29,519 violating those specific laws, he's free to fly. Now, there are certain FAA 138 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:35,440 regulations that come into uh play in terms of how high that drone can go, but 139 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:40,560 in terms of local enforcement of that, we as a police department are handcuffed 140 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:45,920 into what we can actually enforce. Since we can't enforce federal laws, what we 141 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:52,320 do is we would report back to the FAA the best that we can and then hope that 142 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:58,000 at some point in the FAA's uh time they get back to following up on our case. 143 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:01,200 So, um it is the federal government and it does take a while, but that is the 144 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,640 hope that we have is that they come back and and address the issue that we've 145 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:09,079 brought to them. >> Any questions with any of that so far? 146 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:17,519 So again, the federal framework, we talked about it a little bit. Um the 147 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:22,639 non-recreational, the small drone operators, and then there's the 148 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:26,399 recreational use. So um if you're a non-recreational, so you're a let's call 149 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:30,800 it a real estate agent who's out there for a purpose, right? Looking to um use 150 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:36,160 the drone for some type of monetary gain, um you are subject to different 151 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:42,240 regulations. Um, so something like that, you would have to apply for a what they 152 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:49,360 call a part 107 license. So that is basically a uh course in FA rules and 153 00:12:46,079 --> 00:12:54,240 regulations, how to fly. It talks about um ceiling heights, things like that. 154 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:58,639 Um, and then you have to take a test at the end of that course and you then 155 00:12:56,399 --> 00:13:03,680 become part 107 certified. So that allows you as a person who's essentially 156 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:09,760 looking to monetarily gain from the use of your drone to uh operate it. Um 157 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:14,560 again, as we talked about the hobbyists, they don't have to uh go and do that 158 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:20,079 part 107 licensing. They're allowed to go up uh fly. Typically, it's up to a 159 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:25,680 400 ft level. However, as you'll see in in uh a future slide, those height 160 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:30,399 restrictions do change based on the location to our airport to the south of 161 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:35,360 us in Almani. So, the closer you are to the airport, the lower that ceiling 162 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:39,920 becomes to the point where in some areas it does reach a 0 foot ceiling. So, 163 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:43,320 essentially, you're not allowed to fly in that area. 164 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:49,680 And I think another key point on the recreational versus the business use is 165 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:53,519 recreational people who don't need licenses and all that. They have to fly 166 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:57,040 the drone with be able to see the drone at all times. It has to be line of 167 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,199 sight. The people with licenses sometimes can fly them where they can't 168 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:01,680 see them. >> Yeah, you can get a waiver for that. And 169 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:06,160 and Brian, what is it? >> Yeah. On visual line of sight, BBO loss. 170 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,040 » And that's something you apply for, correct? 171 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:10,560 » Yes. >> So that's something you apply for. Um, 172 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,880 and essentially like what the city manager and Lieutenant Warl are saying, 173 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:19,920 it allows you to operate it where you're not visually uh looking at your drone. 174 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:25,199 Now, does that mean that people file this and and and get this beyond line of 175 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:32,120 sight uh exemption? No. But again, what can we enforce and what can we do in 176 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,120 terms of locally? Very little. 177 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:42,800 » Uh California drone laws. So, we touched upon it uh a little bit initially. Um, 178 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:47,040 essentially in in California and then as it relates more closely to our 179 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:52,399 community, we don't have control over the airspace. So, the airspace is what 180 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:58,320 you would know it to be. It's everything above us that would uh facilitate the 181 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:06,000 the flight of drones. Um, that goes to the FAA. um we have no legal ground to 182 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:10,959 put any rules, ordinances, laws in place that would restrict a individual's 183 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:20,480 ability to use that airspace. That's all regulated by the FAA. Um so the some of 184 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:25,120 the things that we can regulate are um where people can fly them from, city 185 00:15:22,959 --> 00:15:30,800 grounds, um where they can take off from. We can regulate some of those 186 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:36,000 things. We can put some exemptions in to uh flights over city sponsored events. 187 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:40,560 Um you know the patriotic festival for example, we could write in an ordinance 188 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:46,399 or an exemption where people would not be allowed to fly drones over that um 189 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:52,880 city sponsored event. So those are kind of the limitations that we have in terms 190 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:57,360 of some of the uh enforcement actions. >> Anything to add on? Well, kind of key to 191 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:02,000 that, it's implied and he sort of touched on it, but it's an important 192 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:05,839 point, which means from my backyard, I can throw up a drone and fly that over 193 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:10,079 my neighbor's house. There's nothing we can do to stop that. But if I fly that 194 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,440 drone over my neighbor's house with the intent on peeping on my neighbor, 195 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:18,079 looking at my neighbor by their swimming pool, doing the kind of things you can't 196 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:21,600 do from the ground, meaning check them out kind of in a creepy way, I can be 197 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:26,560 enforced for doing that kind of thing. It's not a drone violation. It's a 198 00:16:24,079 --> 00:16:30,079 peeping tom type of violation. >> Yeah. In essence, it would be no 199 00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:33,600 different than if you had a person physically in your backyard looking 200 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:39,759 through your window. It's essentially the same criminal uh statute, sir. So, 201 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:44,480 is there a distinction between our ability to register or track the 202 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:51,040 ownership of these things limits as opposed to saying you can't fly it? 203 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:56,320 Does. So if the FAA has occupied the field regarding anything above your 204 00:16:53,279 --> 00:17:01,279 rooftop and we can't do that, but do we have other avenues of regulation? Not 205 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:05,600 that I think we necessarily want to do that, but do we have the ability to say 206 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:11,360 if you're going to fly it in the city then you need to register it with us? Do 207 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:15,199 do we have the ability to do that or >> Yeah, it'll So, we'll touch on that a 208 00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:17,760 little bit um as we move forward and then again, if I don't address it, then 209 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:19,439 we'll come back to it. But yes, we >> short answer is yes. 210 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,559 » Yes, >> you can tell them they can't do it, but 211 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,839 you can say everybody who flies needs to be registered with the city. 212 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:30,480 » By the way, every time I don't want to answer a question, I say to the person, 213 00:17:27,919 --> 00:17:36,760 I'm gonna get to that in a minute. And then they always forget. So, I'll give 214 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,760 you that that tip, right? 215 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:43,039 So this is what we were talking about the uh airspace kind of the ceiling map. 216 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:47,919 So you'll see this is a condensed version but there is a larger version 217 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:53,280 that can be provided um if necessary but you'll kind of see uh I'll stand up here 218 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:58,320 the northern end of the city you see we get to 400t limits. So essentially you 219 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:03,280 can fly up 400 ft without any rules or restrictions. the further south we get 220 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:08,480 uh north Omani, hence the Omani airport, we get into a zero foot cap. So 221 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:12,799 essentially, it's a it's a no-fly zone. So if you're in the north end of town, 222 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:17,039 you've got um a much higher ceiling and for obvious reasons, the closer you get 223 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:21,960 to an airport, they want to uh avoid any type of conflict. So you can't fly. 224 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,679 So here we talk about some of the options for the local regulations. And 225 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:36,160 this may be kind of some of the stuff where we get into um the questions about 226 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:42,480 that you had uh council member. So how do we regulate locally if that's what 227 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:47,520 we're looking to do? Um some of the things that we can do is like we talked 228 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:52,000 about we regulate how a drone is used not where it may fly. So, in how it's 229 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:58,559 used, it's takeoff and landing locations, um, distances from specific 230 00:18:55,360 --> 00:19:04,080 locations. So, you know, in essence, we could say that you're not allowed to 231 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:09,440 take off a drone within I'm just throwing numbers out, 50 ft of a 232 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:14,400 specific location within the city. So, it thereby affords us a little bit of a 233 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:20,960 buffer in terms of areas that we want to dissuade any type of drone activity. 234 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:25,840 Um, we've talked about the privacy and kind of the harassment and the 235 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:30,640 trespassing, uh, state laws that apply. Um, and those are things that that's an 236 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:36,080 intent crime. So, we would have to prove that that intent exists with the drone 237 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:39,760 operator. Um, so there are steps that we would have to do. Obviously, identifying 238 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,720 where the drone is being flown from, identifying who's flying it, and then 239 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,880 talking to that person and seeing what their intent was behind the use of their 240 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:51,280 drone. So again, like any criminal investigation, there are steps that we 241 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:56,720 would have to follow um to try to ensure a successful prosecution for something 242 00:19:53,120 --> 00:20:02,799 like that. Um obviously, anything that involves an emergency response, 243 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:08,480 wildfires, um there was in the Eaton fire, I'm sure we all saw the news where 244 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:15,039 they had to cease uh uh water drops because of uh drone activity. So, 245 00:20:11,679 --> 00:20:18,720 anything like that, those are automatic no- gossos and those are violations that 246 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:25,600 that are enforceable that we can look at. Um, again, since we have the Sanita 247 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:29,840 Racetrack in town, there are uh rules and regulations and laws that apply to 248 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:35,280 interfering with the sporting event. So any private drone use that interferes 249 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:41,440 with a brace uh or any sporting event that's being held there at the track 250 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:45,600 would again qualify for a uh uh state statute violation. 251 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,760 Is there any questions on that? Does that kind of address [clears throat] 252 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,720 what you were looking for? >> Um 253 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:54,720 but it would be state law that we're looking at there, not local law to 254 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:58,320 enforce regarding let's say a recreational area like Santaita. 255 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,600 » State Yeah, state law already is in existence. Um, I don't know the actual 256 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:06,480 penal code off the top of my head, but there is a specific statute that um, 257 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,280 applies to interference with a sporting event. Um, [clears throat] and that 258 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:15,840 would fall under that. >> But you do have the ability to add a 259 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:20,000 recreational registration could be required. 260 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:23,039 » And all the drones, well, there's a thing we're going to get to. It's called 261 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:27,679 Real ID, and it's basically, think of it like a license plate drone. So you can 262 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:31,679 identify the operator and maybe origin. And that would be one of the options for 263 00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:36,159 you all to consider if you want to talk about one of the ways we'd like to 264 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:44,080 monitor this would be having some type of registration or permit. And so um 265 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:48,159 real ID um or it requires um sensors for detection and stuff. And so there's 266 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:51,440 progressive ways to choose what option would work best for us. We're interested 267 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,840 in that. And so, um, they could talk about that more, but that's one of the 268 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:58,720 ways that you would do kind of enforcement and help identify if you 269 00:21:55,679 --> 00:22:02,559 have a drone that's going rogue or, you know, violating local laws or state 270 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,440 laws. And that that would be the way that you would try to identify the 271 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,760 operator and the perpetrator in that instance. 272 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:12,559 » And I think Brian, correct me if I'm wrong, but that requires equipment that 273 00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:16,400 we would have to purchase. So, it's it's not like a public database that that we 274 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:20,720 would have free access for. It would be equipment that the city would have to 275 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:24,880 purchase that would allow us to uh be able to identify that drone. And 276 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:28,960 » it's like everything from like a handheld radar gun kind of looking thing 277 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,559 to something that's on all of our vehicles that automatically is searching 278 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,640 the skies and looking for it. Depends on the level of commitment to 279 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:40,720 [clears throat] that issue. emergency. 280 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:45,280 » So, these are some of the other cities just locally that um we looked at in 281 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:49,679 terms of some of the uh ordinances are already in place. I think if you look at 282 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:53,280 the cities, the albeit a a bigger city, but the most comparable to us given the 283 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:59,200 fact that it has a a sporting venue is Pasadena. Um and they've kind of taken a 284 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,080 a broader approach to things. Um and so far from the people that that I've 285 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:08,240 spoken to and that Ryan has spoken to in Pasadena, it's worked for them given the 286 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:12,559 venues that they have. um their ordinance obviously it addresses the 287 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:18,400 flight takeoff and landing um like we've talked about um and then there's other 288 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:21,919 instances where they can get um approvals [clears throat] for special 289 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:25,520 events, filming things like that. So there are ways to go around but it's 290 00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:30,320 going to take a process and a special exemption for it. Um again as you look 291 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:36,080 at the the kind of the common theme for the other cities is the majority of it 292 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:42,960 pertains to takeoff and landing. Where can you fly these things from? Um, you 293 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:48,480 know, some of it, um, I think again pertaining to us, we can look at the 294 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:52,559 distance from a specific venue, but the vast majority of ordinances that are 295 00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:57,440 adopted by surrounding cities pertain strictly to taking off and landing and 296 00:23:54,559 --> 00:24:02,000 and us dictating where that happens. And it seems like no one attempts to try to 297 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:07,200 register ownership that that we've seen in our surrounding neighbors, right, 298 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:11,679 » Ryan? Nothing. They're required by law, excuse me, if the drone is manufactured 299 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:17,200 after a certain year, they're required by law to register that drone with the 300 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:21,360 FAA using remote ID. Remote ID is what everybody's referring to. That would be 301 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:24,880 able to track the location of where the drone took off, which is where the 302 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:31,279 remote control should be, which is where the pilot should also be standing. So, 303 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:35,120 it it is required in in new drones. >> What year is that? 304 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:39,520 » I believe it was 2024. But we wouldn't have the ability to 305 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:42,559 monitor it monitor it ourselves unless we purchase the monitoring equipment. 306 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,360 And then would we have the right to do that or do we have to seek FAA approval 307 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,120 for that too? >> No, you'd be looking at uh installing 308 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:55,360 radar equipment pick up on radio frequencies and uh infrared from the 309 00:24:52,240 --> 00:25:00,240 actual drone flight itself and you'd be able to track it with the radar. 310 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:03,919 » Is that equipment possibly utilized for any other purpose? 311 00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:08,960 Anything anybody's going to complain about that we bought this stuff or 312 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:15,440 » complaints? I don't know. Uh would it be useful for a city, especially on the the 313 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:18,000 28 coming up? I I do believe there would be some use to it. 314 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:20,240 » No, he's saying is there anything else you can use that for other than tracking 315 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:25,840 a drone? >> I'm sorry. Uh I I've only looked at at 316 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:29,919 drones using it for drones, although I have heard of other cities using it for 317 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:33,840 different reasons, but I don't recall what those reasons were. 318 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:38,559 I mean, I'm sure given today's day and age with the tech savvy of these kids, 319 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,887 there's ways that they can be used. >> You're telling me some 15-year-old is 320 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,799 going to find a clever way to uh [laughter] You sure my 12-year-old son 321 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,559 will figure out some way to get that thing, you know, to track down a pirated 322 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,400 movie or something? But >> what will be the cost? 323 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,360 » Sorry, >> what would be the cost? 324 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,600 » I I don't have any estimated costs right now. 325 00:25:53,679 --> 00:26:00,720 » And I think it depends too on how extensive we utilize this. If we have a 326 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:05,279 few handheld devices, it's going to be active. we actually equip every cruiser, 327 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:09,279 it's going to be why, right? So, and these are all things that that if the 328 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:13,760 council elects to to investigate further, we can go out and get dollar 329 00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:20,080 amounts that that can be presented back to you guys. So, um but yes, you're 330 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:23,840 right. It will range from small to >> not so small 331 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,320 to expensive. >> And one of the things that you're 332 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:30,159 looking at, there's a lot of location based things on that list. Uh the other 333 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:36,720 thing that pops up in several cities is the idea of weaponry. And that doesn't 334 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:41,600 necessarily mean like no no uh you know uh 335 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:45,360 » ammunitions on the drone does mean that. But it also means things that look like 336 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,559 weapons. So you couldn't have a drone that kind of scared people kind of 337 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,080 looked like a fake gun and freaked people out. You could just say those are 338 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:56,320 whether or not it was a gun. It if it looks like a gun, that's an illegal 339 00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:01,240 operation of a drone because it has a potential for inciting riots or what. 340 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:11,360 So, what could some of our uh municipal code sections look like? Um, again, as 341 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:16,159 we've talked about frequently, the restriction of landing and takeoffs. Um, 342 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:20,960 would have the ability to restrict landing and takeoff from any city-owned 343 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:25,440 property. um except in designated areas or with city authorization. Um again 344 00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:30,960 like we talked about specified distance from city permitted special events. Um 345 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:38,000 obviously active law enforcement, fire, any emergency response incidents. Um and 346 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:42,000 then private property. So um public safety and critical facilities, the 347 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:48,000 infrastructure, um restrict your own use, PD, fire, um you know, water 348 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:52,640 resources, things like that. You know, these are all things that we would have 349 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:56,320 to roundt as a city with department heads looking at what those critical 350 00:27:54,240 --> 00:28:01,760 infrastructures would be within our city and then um go back and and write these 351 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:06,240 ordinances so that it would uh entail and encompass everything. So, it's it 352 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,840 would not be a let's decide this on a Friday and enact it on a Monday type 353 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:14,960 thing. It would take some some planning and some some thinking to get it done. 354 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:18,799 Um and then obviously al like the uh city manager talked about any type of 355 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:22,799 reckless activity. Um whether it be the appearance of a drone um you know using 356 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:26,480 it for property damage, things like that. Those things are obviously uh 357 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,799 things that we would uh enact a municipal code section to avoid. 358 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:36,200 » Are we able to limit the ability for these things to carry any kind of like a 359 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:36,200 payload something? 360 00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:39,399 No. 361 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,080 » Yeah. And I think that's one of those things. I mean, it's implied in your 362 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,760 question, but the Amazons and the FedEx's and all of that in the next 363 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:51,120 couple years are going to be delivering food and packages and all of that stuff 364 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,459 and all of that will be controlled by the FAA and not us. 365 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,559 » I'm not as worried about them, [laughter] 366 00:28:55,039 --> 00:29:00,000 but no, I'm just thinking about things like our water supply and stuff like 367 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:05,760 that. And you >> um it's a matter of concern 368 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:10,080 » and I think it it becomes increasingly a matter of concern as these become more 369 00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:14,960 prevalent. We already see a lot of them, but you know, you can equate it back to 370 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,559 the legal purchase of a firearm. You know, I know we're getting at extremes, 371 00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:21,600 but if it's legally purchased, then it's legally purchased. And the same thing 372 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:28,399 with a drone. You know, you can legally purchase a drone. It's just the intent 373 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:33,679 of the person who purchases it. So, um, so some of the Q&A, um, you know, I 374 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:39,840 don't need to read that verbatim for for all of you. Um, I think the one of the 375 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:46,880 biggest things to take away from here, um, is yes, there are already state laws 376 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:51,600 that are in place that allow enforcement of some of these violations committed by 377 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:56,960 drone operators. Again, it relates to the the prowling, the trespassing, some 378 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,880 of the things that um exist with human beings going into backyards can also be 379 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:08,159 done by drones. Those things are already in place. Um, can the police department 380 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:11,600 take down or jam a drone? No. Um, you know, it's not like the movies where we 381 00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:15,520 can go out and, you know, point our little gun at it and it falls out of the 382 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:20,240 sky and and the world's a happy place. We have to be realistic about what our 383 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:25,919 capabilities are when it comes to drones, the usage of it. Um, and I think 384 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:31,919 again, like we said, it would take kind of a robust education campaign for the 385 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:36,799 public to understand what the intentions of us as an enforcement arm is and also 386 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:40,760 what the responsibilities of a community member is using a drone. 387 00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:48,320 » Uh, to touch on the police drone program. So, 388 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:54,320 this is something that uh Lieutenant Mohal and a couple of our officers uh 389 00:30:50,799 --> 00:31:03,080 have delved into um after the approval of funding for this fiscal year. Um so 390 00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:03,080 there is uh $105,500 391 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:14,480 time and then a budgeted $92,600 annually. So, our initial uh short-term 392 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:21,360 objectives is to purchase uh three drones. Um one, you know, the the I 393 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:26,080 don't like to word use the word tactical because then it it conjures up all these 394 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:30,399 images of, you know, armies and things like that. Um when we say, you know, a 395 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:37,600 tactical drone in this thing, it's basically it's utilized for interior 396 00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:42,799 spaces. Um, so an interior drone provides an exceptional level of safety 397 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,840 for officers. It allows us to obviously, like it says, clear the inside of a 398 00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:51,679 location before ever having to send an officer inside there. Um, and then we'd 399 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:58,240 also like to purchase two outdoor drones. So the outdoor ones um would 400 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:04,880 work handinhand with our uh contract with our helicopter. So it would give us 401 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:10,000 a lower view while also maintaining the ability for the helicopter to provide a 402 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:15,279 much higher uh wider perspective. So these things work complimentary towards 403 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:22,080 each other um and don't take away from um the ability and the feasibility of 404 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:26,960 these things to work. Um so with the uh purchase of the drones, we obviously 405 00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:32,320 need people to fly them. um we are not exempt from the part 107 licensing. So 406 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:38,240 our people will have to go through the course and be certified as part 107 407 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:42,640 flight um drone operators. So those are courses that um [clears throat] are 408 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:46,720 difficult. They are not an easy course to do. Um so it's going to take us 409 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:51,120 finding the right people who are uh interested in this kind of work and then 410 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:56,399 putting them through the courses and getting them certified. So, um those are 411 00:32:54,399 --> 00:33:02,320 the short-term goals. We're currently actively researching uh the kind of 412 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:05,360 drones to purchase so that um we get the most out of the money that you guys have 413 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:10,000 allotted for us. Sir, >> when you talk about the indoor tactical 414 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:14,399 drone, you're referring to a flying uh drone or actually like a robotic kind of 415 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:18,080 » No, it's it is a flying drone. It is essentially any drone that you see 416 00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:22,559 outside. There are some modifications that are made to an interior drone so 417 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:27,519 that um you know it doesn't get the blades caught in a curtain or something 418 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:33,519 like that. It makes it they're smaller typically to obviously get into smaller 419 00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:40,080 spaces. Um so it on face value is there a huge difference? No. Um but it is 420 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:43,840 still an uh an unmanned aerial um >> but as far as building searches on the 421 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,840 ground we already have a robot that we can send in. 422 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:52,080 » We do. Yes, we do have a robot. Um, again, there are limitations to 423 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:56,640 everything, right? So, these drones in terms of a police setting would just 424 00:33:53,919 --> 00:34:00,480 enhance our capabilities and provide an extra layer of safety for our officers, 425 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:06,399 but yes, we do already have a a robot that we use and that is available uh to 426 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:11,520 our people every day. Um, long-term goals, again, you know, I'm speaking as 427 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,639 as the interim sitting here for the next, you know, 3 weeks and then we're 428 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:18,079 getting somebody else coming in. But, you know, it's been the um long-term 429 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:22,960 goals of our police department to have a drone as a first responder program. That 430 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:30,159 takes again a lot of thought and a lot of uh leg work to get that program up 431 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:34,480 and running. Um so, we've decided to make that a long-term goal with the 432 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:40,159 hopes of achieving that, but taking the incremental steps of getting the smaller 433 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:45,200 drone program up and running. Um, so I fully am in with, you know, Lieutenant 434 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:49,440 Mohal's uh expertise on this and then the work that our officers are doing. I 435 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:55,520 absolutely 100% believe that within this fiscal year, we will have the uh smaller 436 00:34:52,879 --> 00:35:00,880 drone program up and running. Um, and then obviously all of this goes into a 437 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:06,960 long-term goal of a real-time crime center where all of these things can can 438 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:10,480 come back and help combat the overall uh mission of reducing crime in our city. 439 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:14,720 And what you mean by a drone as first responder is rather than being mounted 440 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:19,200 in a car or or deployed from a handheld throwing it up in the air, it's mounted 441 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:24,320 on a central location and then you put in that we have a crime at 123 Main 442 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:28,079 Street and it immediately deploys to 123 Main Street while our officers are in 443 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,040 route and then it can get eyes and ears on what's going on before we even get 444 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,839 there in some occasions. >> Yeah, I apologize. I take for granted 445 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,119 that, you know, we sit here and talk about these things. I figure everybody 446 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,760 else knows about them too, right? No, the city manager is absolutely right. It 447 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:45,920 is um it's a huge tool and you'll see it as a force multiplier that's used 448 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:52,480 through um I don't want to say a lot of agencies in our area, but there are 449 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:57,040 several that have adopted it. Um and you do see that it provides an added layer 450 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:01,119 of safety again for the officers. Um real-time intelligence that you can't 451 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:07,920 get while you're in route to some of these calls. um within a very brief 452 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:12,400 amount of time, you get a live view over a problem and the person watching that 453 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:17,359 can then relay that information to officers that are responding. So, it's a 454 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:22,160 very valuable program. Um again, it's something that we hope to achieve within 455 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:26,960 a reasonable period of time, but again, like everything, it takes time, effort, 456 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:31,200 and takes money. So, not going to lie and say that it's cheap. It's not. Um, 457 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,320 but it's things for us to look at as we move forward in in [clears throat] our 458 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:39,280 drone endeavor. >> And Colin, I don't think we put it on 459 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:44,720 the next slide, so stop me if I if I cut you off, but we had talked about um 460 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:49,599 policies and protocols and how we'd make sure, you know, what our 461 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:54,400 » PB requirements would be for operating the drones and all that. You want to 462 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,839 » uh I'm sorry in [clears throat] one more time, sir. I'm 463 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:06,160 » our policies and protocols for operating the drones for our employees. 464 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:09,040 » Okay. Um so yeah, as we talked about um and if I missed some of the specifics 465 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,800 you're talking about, interrupt, but some of the things that we talked about 466 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:16,400 for our employees is the certification. Um they obviously have to be certified 467 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:24,000 in terms of their licensing in order to to fly it. Um the you know, we have to 468 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:31,760 abide by FAA rules and regulations also. Um, so we would have to submit uh plans 469 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:36,000 to the FAA because all of our flying I said the the majority of our flying 470 00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:43,520 would be um beyond line of visual sight. So we we are not uh exempt from these 471 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:48,720 things. The FAA shows no uh care that we're a government agency and a police 472 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:53,280 department. we are still mandated to adhere to the same things that a um in 473 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,520 this case a professional drone user or somebody like that would have to adhere 474 00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:02,480 to. So we would have to um submit those flight plans, submit all the necessary 475 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:08,079 paperwork, get approval from the FAA. Um and it's not guaranteed. You know, we 476 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:14,720 our proximity to the uh uh St. Gabriel Valley Airport does pose a little bit of 477 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:17,520 a a hiccup in the road because, you know, there are flying there are planes 478 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:21,280 that that we see every day that come over our city. So, we have to navigate 479 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,000 that and and we have to comply with the rules and regulations that the FAA would 480 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,760 set forth. >> I was talking about we have a vetted 481 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,920 policy manual that we use for pretty much everything. 482 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:35,920 » Yes, I'm sorry. >> Yes. So yeah, Lexiple um Lexiple is our 483 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:40,720 our department policy that covers everything from drone usage to you name 484 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:45,599 it, you know, time off requests and things like that. So there are uh 485 00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:51,839 policies that are put forth by Lexiple that um our department would enact and 486 00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:56,160 uh be held to answer to just like our uh people flying them. um the operators, 487 00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:01,280 the observers, they would be held to the lexical policy that would be adopted by 488 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:08,000 um our uh department and then obviously reviewed by the city attorney um you 489 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:11,119 know how it pertains to our city. >> Did that answer your question, Dominic? 490 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,800 I'm sorry. >> Sure. Um first of all, Colin, I want to 491 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,960 say thank you for an incredible presentation. Thank you so much, 492 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:25,200 Lieutenant, for also uh being our subject matter expert. I mean this is a 493 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:32,880 topic that is not easy. Uh it uh it it involves both uh civil and military 494 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:38,400 uses. Um and so you know I actually have a plethora of questions uh and with 495 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:41,359 exclamation point triple underline. But I don't think that this is the right 496 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:46,960 setting for me to ask a plethora of questions because I think that I think 497 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:51,839 that the scope of this work is actually a lot because it's going to have to 498 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:56,480 involve civilian and and uh law enforcement use as well. At the same 499 00:39:53,760 --> 00:40:02,640 time, we have to be respectful of our constitutional rights as well too. So 500 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:08,640 what I like to do is I like to propose a motion. Uh the motion is to create a 501 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:13,839 subcommittee to be able to uh discuss this uh help vet this out, work with the 502 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:23,119 police department so that we can really get a um a really 503 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:29,280 encompassing program that respects what our uses are from a civilian standpoint 504 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:33,520 to what we need to do as a m force multiplier, from a law enforcement 505 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:38,480 standpoint as well. and also dealing, frankly speaking, I've dealt with the 506 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:42,960 FAA and uh getting a 107 certification I don't think is going to be an easy task. 507 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:47,440 Uh whether it's for uh realators or whether it's for law enforcement, too. 508 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:52,320 So I like to create a subcommittee and I like to make a motion that I like to 509 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:56,400 appoint mayor prom David Fu and then council member John Han to be on that 510 00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:00,160 subcommittee so that this way I can ask my plethora of questions for David and 511 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:04,319 John because they have nothing else to do in their life. And then this way I 512 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:08,480 won't be bugging I won't be bugging you guys with my plethora of questions. And 513 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:13,280 then and then this way uh our mayor prompu and council member John Han can 514 00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:18,800 field the questions from all of us and then be able to work with you to be able 515 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:22,720 to kind of move this ball slowly in an effective manner. Um I'd like to see if 516 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,560 I can get a second for that motion. >> Before you second the motion, just I 517 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:29,359 need to understand the motion. So you're not suggesting that you would be on the 518 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,720 committee. The committee would still be a committee of two. Yes, that's right. 519 00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:37,119 And just any council member that had questions could get them to the staff 520 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:39,520 and the could investigate that. >> Yes. So this way it's it's more 521 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,783 efficient. >> Okay. 522 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:46,400 » It's more efficient for every [clears throat] keep in mind that we 523 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:51,040 have whenever we have an ad hoc committee there's serial potential 524 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:55,680 serial meeting issue where they've got to address the issue. And so, you know, 525 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,119 you guys can certainly pose questions to staff, but ultimately we're going to 526 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,280 have to come back in a setting like this with what they're reporting back. And 527 00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:08,480 more information we can get in a setting like this, the better that works. 528 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:14,000 » 100% agreement. So, just to clarify, my motion is that questions from council 529 00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:19,359 members will go to the city staff and then the subcommittee will work on this 530 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:23,599 and then report back to us. So, we as a entire body can make a collective 531 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,680 decision. Is is is that your point city attorney? Okay, great. 532 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,880 » Great. I'll second. >> We have a first and a second. Let's take 533 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,720 a vote. Roll call. >> Council member Cow, 534 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,400 » yes. >> Council member Han, 535 00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:37,920 » yes. >> Council member Quan, 536 00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:39,839 » yes. >> Mayor Promfu, 537 00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:42,240 » yes. >> Mayor Cheng, 538 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:48,079 » yes. Okay. Well, we're done. Thank you so 539 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:56,200 much. Thank you, Chief. Thank you. And uh we're going to be close now. We are 540 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,200 but starting our council meeting.