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>> Everybody ready? Yeah. All right. This

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is the city of Aenddale Estates, Georgia

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Board of Mayor and Commissioners regular

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meeting. It is August 26, 2026. It's

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5:30. I'd like to call the meeting to

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order. We have an agenda before us. Do I

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have a motion to adopt?

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>> So moved.

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>> That was Graham. Lot of second. All in

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favor say I.

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>> Can everybody hear me?

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>> Okay. All right. Um, first up,

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commissioner comments. Uh, Commissioner

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Sedman.

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>> Well, just welcome all of you to this

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evening's meeting. Um, and I hope you

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learned something and get to express

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your, you know, your comments to us. So,

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uh, I'll hear me out.

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>> Okay. Mr. Swazo,

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>> No. Welcome everybody.

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This is your chains

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approach.

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>> Uh, I don't really have much either, but

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thank you all for coming in the hot

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weather. I was just commenting out. So,

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it feels like August has lasted a very

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long time, so um I'm glad to see it

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coming to an end. Um, that's it for me.

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Thank you all for coming tonight. Yep. I

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likewise have nothing. Uh, thank you all

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for being here. We had a good crowd.

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Appreciate it. Uh, Mr. Manager.

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>> All right. and I'll say stuff since

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y'all y'all have no commentary tonight.

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Uh just want to remind everybody we've

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got two big events in the city this week

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um or this weekend. Uh Friday night is

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the Aendale Estates kickoff centennial

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celebration with a street festival u

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from 6:00 to 9 on Franklin Street

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between Olive and Pine. Uh, we have so

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much fun to have. Outdoor music DJed by

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Commune, a dedicated Kid Zone, local art

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and live improv comedy at Little Tree

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Art Studios. Those improv show

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at 7 and 8:00 p.m. We'll have a special

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Aendale Estates exhibit from the Dicab

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History Center inside of the Olive and

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Pine development. A self-care corner

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sponsored by Referology Pilates. Food

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and beverages for purchase from Skips,

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Los Nños Takaria, Enzo Isakaya, Night

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Owl, and Banjo. And we'll we will also

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be including a special centennial beer

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brewed by Wild Heaven. Uh all

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surrounding businesses will also be

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open. Free Italian ice will be provided

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courtesy of Dicab County CEO Lorraine

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Cochran Johnson. We will have decade

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themed photo opportunities, temporary

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tattoos from Aendel Estates's own Swinx

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Tattoo Emporia, free coasters, and a

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chance to see a working 1924 letter

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press at Methane and specially designed

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Studio and much much more. And then

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Saturday night, the community is hosting

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a centennial gala at the Aenddale

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Estates Lakehouse. Um, tickets are still

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available online. There's also posters

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throughout city hall that include a QR

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code that will link you right there. Uh,

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should be a fun event. Uh, so if you are

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interested in in that, please go ahead

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and buy your tickets before they sell

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>> Okay. Any other comments up here? All

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right. Uh, public comment. Julie

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and everybody just name and address,

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>> Yes. Julie Fleming, 40 Clarendon. I

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don't yet have a final opinion about

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what's best for Aenddale with our flock

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camera contract. I'm here with an open

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mind to listen. I promised some people

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to speak first because

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some people are nervous about public

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speaking. I have always felt welcome,

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heard, and respected here. I'm glad if

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we see more people here or online. Thank

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>> I apologize, guys. This is going to be a

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>> You're not going to cut me off. Adam

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Gallatio, everybody. Yeah, I didn't get

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a chance to time this. So, um

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3048 place. I know a lot of you. Uh I've

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been around here for a long time. Um so,

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this is up block. I don't think a lot of

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people understand what Flock is. It's

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not a camera system. It's software

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running AI recognition on all the

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people, vehicles, everything your

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national network video and audio sensors

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picks up to establish profiles in a

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database um of movement history and

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real-time location tracking that is

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searched by anyone with access to the

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system. It's really big. I should

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probably just skip all this. My beef is

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not AAPD with Flock. It's everyone else.

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people have uh I checked out a 729

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search where we were one of 6,138

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other network search. My concern is not

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AAPD, it's the other 6,137

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networks out there that have access

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potentially to our system. Um,

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there's the access we know about and

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there's the access we don't. Block has a

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documented history of lying to people.

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uh block gave DHS backdoor access to uh

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Washington, excuse me, Washington State

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Police Department networks without their

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wishes or without their knowledge and

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against their wishes. So, they cancel

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the contracts. Um there's loginins for

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sale on Russian hacker sites. Uh though

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hacked. Technically could be true. A

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local guy named Ben Jordan got into

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their system through what's basically

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advanced Googling. Um, and Flock

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maintains that was not a hack, which is

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accurate because it's not breaking in

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when the doors open. Uh, Ben's stuff is

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uh I shared is what one guy can public

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share without being sued or prosecuted.

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resources and less concern for US law

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can do with this system that's

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accessible in our town. Um, then there's

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out a Flock employee accessed a camera

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in a kids gymnastics studio against

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their agreement. Uh Flock said it was a

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sales demo except that guy only accessed

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one camera that day, which is a little

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weird. Uh and then behind closed doors,

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Flock brought in a $100 million National

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Political Crisis Management Firm to meet

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with Dunwy City staff. Then of course

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there's the 100 plus cases of officers

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stalking their exartners, 20 of which

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were in Georgia. Uh there's the Dunwhaty

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search that I found for vehicle with a

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political bumper sticker. I can't

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imagine what legal legal circumstance

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that could be demonstrating. Um, it's

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everyone else I'm worried about. Uh, the

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system is also horribly inaccurate. They

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advertise a 95% accuracy rate uh with on

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20 billion processes. That's 1 billion

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false identifications per month. Um,

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long email. Sorry about that. Before

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this, um, they're also running

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predictive policing features now that

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flag people in vehicles on behavior

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their I AI thinks is suspicious, way

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match behaviors to a crime. Uh, and

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one else can access our system, but they

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have repeatedly lied about this. There's

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lots out there. There's so much out

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there that I can't find articles I found

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before because they are getting buried.

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>> All right, that's it, right?

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>> Y'all got the email you're reading.

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commenting on Flock. Uh I'm curious

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about the details of our current

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contract in the transcript from the

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January meeting. When it was approved

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and talked about, it was described as a

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two-year trial run contract to see

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whether or not this system works for us.

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January of this year. I would like

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clarity on the current state of the

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contract, whether it has been expanded

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or extended, and whether those details

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were ever discussed publicly. Since that

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original two-year contract, we've

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learned a lot more about the Flock

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system. Flock is a company. A lot of

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what I was going to say has been touched

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on here. I'll reiterate, my concern is

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not with the Aenddale Police Department.

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I don't think any of us have any reason

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to think they have done anything

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untored, but we're in the system and we

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know that this system has been used for

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the other purposes. Even during that

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initial presentation,

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some questions were raised about

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potential security concerns. They were

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dismissed and the flock representative

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uh said that the uh people using the

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only use it when they need it. We know that is not true. There have been

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dozens of cases locally alone in which

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law enforcement officers have been

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caught using the system for nefarious

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purposes unlawfully.

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Many have been arrested.

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crime. They want credit for any law

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enforcement success stories, but they

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show no accountability when the system

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is abused countless times. Successes are

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attributed to the systems power, but

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misuse is attributed to individual bad

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actors. Recently, the Flock CEO even

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implied that's actually a great thing

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that so many law enforcement officers

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are being caught abusing their system.

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police abuse. I think we're the first

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company to shine a light on it and build

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the tools to find it." So, allegedly

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now, the purpose of Flock is to find

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police abuse by giving them the tools to

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be abusive. It doesn't make any sense

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and they're taking no responsibility or

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ownership for creating the system and

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opening it up indiscriminately to

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everyone they can. There's a concept in

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system design that says the purpose of a

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system is what it does. It does not

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matter what the original intentions of

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the flock system are. Invasion of

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privacy is what it does. Many civil

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rights groups like the ACLU oppose them.

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Many other cities have already cancelled

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contracts from Los Angeles, California

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through as of yesterday, Asheville,

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North Carolina. Aenddale should be a

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leader and join them in protecting our

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citizens privacy. Thank you.

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>> Yes, please.

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» Hi. Um Lizzie Ber, 712 Stratford Green,

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also speaking on Flock today and also

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during the working meeting later. Um, so

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I urge the city of Aenddale Estates to

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please take the concerns of the public

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to heart today. We are not merely

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reacting to social media posts. When we

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first signed our initial contract with

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Flock in 2024, the technology was new on

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the scene. In the years since, there

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have been shocking reports that exposed

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the dangers of ALPRs as a tool of mass

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surveillance. In my letter to the editor

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published in Decatorish last November, I

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outlined several concerning cases,

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including a Virginia resident who was

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tracked 849 times without cause

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and cities including Austin, Texas, and

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LA cancelling their contracts due to

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data privacy concerns. And most

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concerningly, a family held at gunpoint

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due to a flock camera misreading their

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license plate number. Since that was

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published, even more disturbing story

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stories have surfaced. Just this month,

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eight Dicab PD officers were suspended

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over misuse of ALPRs. And we are in

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Dicap County. Security vulnerabilities

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have been presented to the company that

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they have failed to remedy. And cameras

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located inside of a children's

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gymnastics room in Dunwy have been

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accessed for sales demo purposes.

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A woman in Florida spent two weeks in

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jail and seven months in traumatizing

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legal limbo due to a mistake on the

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flock data and officers putting their

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full trust in this technology. This is

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high stakes stuff and there's no room

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for error here. Earlier this year, Santa

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Cruz, California terminated their

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contract with Flock after reports that

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outofstate agencies were accessing their

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city's data despite assurances that this

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was not the case. I want to be clear, I

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am not accusing APD of misconduct and

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there's no evidence of that. But we are

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connected to this entire network and

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this company or any similar company such

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as Axon do not get to define safety. I

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believe that we protect our residents

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and visitors here by ensuring that when

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they are here, they will be safe from

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any exartner using our cameras and our

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data to track their whereabouts. Sadly,

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this is becoming a near weekly news

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event here in Georgia. We have had our

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trial run and I believe that when we

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know better, we do better. And we know

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better now. And I'm happy to provide my

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sources for the cases I've used to

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inform my public comment. I will end

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with a quote from the ACLU.

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Literally the only way to protect data

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from being misused is to not collect it

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at all. Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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» Everybody, my name is Kate Denny. I live

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at uh 37 Clarendon

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and I appreciate the work that you do

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for us. You're part of our community.

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you we voted for you so that you would

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represent us and do what we want. Um

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I think it's important that we remember

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that

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Chief Hess is going to you know tell us

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about how potentially flock has helped

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us but I think that we need to remember

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that we're self-governed.

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So whether flock is saving us from a

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huge disaster it's still our choice

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whether we have flock or not. It's just

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basically as simple as informed consent,

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right? Like in the hospital, your doctor

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says if you do this treatment, it'll

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save your life. If you don't do it, this

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is what's going to happen. You are

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allowed to choose. We are self-governed.

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We are allowed to choose. We're allowed

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to say no. Even if it's helpful for us

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and most of us who are, you know, really

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educating ourselves on this do not think

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that it is helpful for us. But I

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appreciate that you recognize that we

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are self-governed and we can say no even

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if our police in Dicap County think it's

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in our best interest. We're in charge.

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We celebrate that as a hundred years,

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right? Of us being in charge of

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ourselves. We do have this opportunity

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to be the first state, the first city in

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the state of Georgia to say

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we can make our own choices. We're all

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looking for that right now, for our

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leaders at every level to really

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represent us and to listen to our voices

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and and thankfully you do that. So,

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thank you for that and I hope that you

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continue to listen to us and what we

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want and allow us to make our own

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decisions for our own community.

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>> Thank you.

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online.

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>> Uh, Jennifer online.

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» Hi, my name uh Oops.

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I don't know if you can see me. I can't

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make the camera work. But my name is

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Jennifer. I live at 402 Kensington Park

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Drive. I am urging you all to please

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reject these flock cameras. These

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systems create a searchable record of

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where private citizens travel and the

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dangers are no longer hypothetical. As

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some others have pointed out, there are

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dozens of documented cases showing these

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automatic, excuse me, automated license

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plate readers, make mistakes, and then

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police act on that incorrect

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information. Innocent people have been

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stopped, searched, handcuffed, detained

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at gunpoint, and even jailed because a

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camera misread their license plate or

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incorrectly identified a vehicle. They

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were then forced to prove their

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innocence at the cost of their time,

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money, jobs, and dignity. Uh the

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potential for deliberate abuse is

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equally disturbing. As others have said,

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we now know police officers, not Aendale

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police, but police officers nonetheless,

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have been using these databases to stalk

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former partners and other women. When we

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give the government power to track

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people's movements, we cannot simply

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assume that data will be used

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appropriately or that every automated

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match will be accurate. Public safety

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should not require tracking of private

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citizens and placing innocent people at

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risk. Once this surveillance network is

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built, it will be extremely difficult to

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undo. Please, please reject these block

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cameras. We do not want to be a

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surveillance state where private

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citizens lose their privacy in the name

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of false safety. Aenddale should reject

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this insanity. Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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» Any others?

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Okay. Uh any others in the audience?

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Yes, Paul.

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» Paul Dora 820 Stratford Road. I'd like

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to speak to

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agenda item 10.

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This is the regular meeting. Says

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consideration of the project agreement

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for downtown Evenddale Multim

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Improvement.

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I'm going to encourage you to read

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appendix F as in Frank. The way I read

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that appendix,

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if if you if you accept this, if you all

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pass this the way it is,

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that appendix says that Aenddale reads

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two things. One, not to be a sanctuary

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city. and two, more importantly, who

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agreed to have our Aenddale Police Force

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assist other enforcement

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agencies with the arrest of what are

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described as criminal negligence.

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My concern has to do with what's going on in our country with ICE.

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Uh, from a practical standpoint, I'd

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like to see you all consider

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mending the agreement to drop appendix F

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entirely.

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Uh if you read it closely, it really has

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nothing to do with the road project. The

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state of Georgia and Adidel are simply

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trying to build a road.

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Uh the the sanctuary city and the

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especially the

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having our police force assist with

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those arrests doesn't seem to be

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project. I'd encourage you to drop

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offendings. Thank you for that.

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>> Thank you, Paul. You're welcome.

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All right.

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Uh, no one online.

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Okay. Any last call

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in the audience?

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Okay. Seeing no comments, I'm going to

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bring it back up here. All right. So,

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thank you for all your comments. All

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right. So, we're going to move to item

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number five. Um, we have before us the

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August 12th, 2026 regular meeting

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minutes and the August 12th, 2026 work

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session minutes. Do I have a motion to

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engross?

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>> So, move.

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>> That was Lou. Do I have a second?

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>> Second.

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>> Mike. All in favor say I.

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>> I.

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>> Okay.

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All right. Uh, item number six,

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presentation of fiscal year 2025 audit

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results from Malden and Jenkins. Mr.

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Manager, could you tee this up for us?

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Yes, as we do every year following the

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aual audit uh process and the release of

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the annual comprehensive financial

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report, uh Josh Carroll with Maldin and

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Jenkins, who is our independent audit

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auditing agency, uh is here to uh

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deliver a report uh regarding the

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results of the 2025 fiscal year audit.

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So Josh

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Thank you, Patrick.

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And can you hear me? Yeah.

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>> Oh, it goes. Okay. And thanks to the the

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mayor and the the board for having me.

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As Patrick said, I'm going to just kind

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of quickly go through a PowerPoint here

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to go over our results of the 2025

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audit. Um,

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this is kind of my agenda. I'm going to

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go over our team, our opinion. I got a

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few financial trends, the results, um,

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and questions at the end, but if

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somebody has a question as I'm going,

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you can feel free to stop me as we're

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going along. Uh, next slide. This is

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Amal Jenkins. Um, we've been around over

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100 years now. We spent a lot of time in

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energy investing in state and local

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government audits. I spend my whole year

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doing nothing but counties and cities

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and development authorities and state

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agencies um, all over the Southeast. I

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don't do any tax work like a traditional

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CPA. I do government audits all year

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long. Everybody that works on your audit

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is in the same position. Um, you know,

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we also audit Dicap County. We audit

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many of your neighbors. So, we bring a

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lot of local knowledge to your audit as

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well. Next slide. The statements are the

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responsibility of the city's management.

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Our objective is your external auditors

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to express an opinion. We followed all

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the generally accepted auditing

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standards, the government auditing

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standards, and we did issue an

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unmodified or clean opinion, which is

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what you'd hope to receive from your

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annual audit. So, as far as we're

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concerned, your statements are

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materially correct. Uh, next slide. We

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also report a compliance and control.

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Got to come in and we look at really all

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your accounting cycles. We look at how

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00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,240
you receipt cash, how you disperse cash,

542
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,919
how you're on board and terminating

543
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:10,159
employee contracts with vendors. We look

544
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:12,559
at PC card transactions. We look at your

545
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:14,559
spending of SPLS dollars. Kind of kind

546
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:15,520
of go through everything. We look at

547
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,440
your segregation of duties and how funds

548
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,200
are flowing in and out of the city. And

549
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,640
you have clean opinion there. The city

550
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,480
has pretty good segregation of duties.

551
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,240
Um, you also had a big grant program

552
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,840
this year. This year, highway planning

553
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,679
and construction. We looked at those

554
00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:29,919
costs, compared them to the agreement,

555
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:31,279
city did all the reporting requirements

556
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:32,799
that come along with federal programs,

557
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:34,159
and you got a clean opinion there as

558
00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:36,960
well. So, all in all, really clean. Um,

559
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,400
this slide, if I was on the board, I

560
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,279
think I'd want to know, do we have

561
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:41,840
anything unusual or maybe aggressive in

562
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,000
your accounting policies or maybe our

563
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,360
estimates or judgments in your

564
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,520
statements? You don't. The policies are

565
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,039
disclosed in the notes. They're very

566
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:51,520
similar to a city of your size. Many of

567
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,360
your neighbors have very, very similar,

568
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,360
very common policies. And your only

569
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:56,960
estimates are really your useful life of

570
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,799
capital assets. Like how long do we

571
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:00,400
think a police car is going to last or

572
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,080
we're going to use it. We depreciate it

573
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,159
over that life. We we review those. We

574
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:05,760
feel pretty good about them. And your

575
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,919
actuary uses assumptions for your

576
00:26:07,919 --> 00:26:09,679
pension liability. You're kind of in the

577
00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:12,559
GMA plan. Everybody is in that plan has

578
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,080
the same assumptions. We kind of look at

579
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,679
those. We feel pretty good about them.

580
00:26:15,679 --> 00:26:18,159
Uh next slide. We have a good

581
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:19,360
relationship with management. It

582
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,120
definitely takes the city. It's not just

583
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,039
the auditors. It's a lot of work on the

584
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,120
finance team of the city. Um, we come

585
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,039
in, we ask for a lot of information.

586
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:28,799
Nothing seems hidden or covered up. We

587
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,720
get everything we need, often more

588
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,159
information than we ask for. So, we

589
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:34,080
really appreciate the city partnering

590
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,520
with us to get the audit done and

591
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,360
dedicating your resources uh to help us

592
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,080
get it done. Um, we didn't have any

593
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,400
adjustments either. Um, we get a trial

594
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,840
balance. I know Britney's no longer with

595
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,080
us, but she gives us a trial balance and

596
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,600
we audit it. We do our thing. We don't

597
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,440
have any adjustments. is very clean and

598
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,520
I've worked with Tony Joe in the past

599
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,880
and I think you guys will be really

600
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,400
pleased with her and we'll be in the

601
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,120
same place for the 2026 audit. And we

602
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,279
are independent. Um we don't close the

603
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:00,720
books. We don't post journal entries. We

604
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,000
don't reconcile bank accounts. We just

605
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,520
do the audit. So the clean opinion you

606
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,440
have is not influenced by us kind of

607
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,559
auditing our own work. Uh next slide. Um

608
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:09,600
you can skip this one. We'll go to the

609
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,240
next one. Um so this is kind of my one

610
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,840
uh financial trend. This is your general

611
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,600
fund which is the main operating fund of

612
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,440
the city and it shows your fund balance.

613
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,600
Another word for fund balance is equity.

614
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,600
Um, and it kind of shows it as compared

615
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,840
to your your annual expenses and your

616
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,919
transfers out to other funds. So, kind

617
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:27,600
of had a big dip down this year. And the

618
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,440
purple there I wrote we transferred a

619
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,919
lot of money to the capital fund. Um, we

620
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:33,440
just kind of moved it over there. So,

621
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,279
that fund's going to hold it and use it

622
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:37,039
for whatever capital we budget to spend

623
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:38,640
in the future. So, that's the real

624
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,320
reason for the big dip down. If we took

625
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,880
that out, you still be at 53%. The

626
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,799
GFOAS, the standard setting body for

627
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:46,640
local government, they recommend two to

628
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,240
three months as a minimum threshold. We

629
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,919
don't want to see anybody go below that.

630
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:53,120
That's 16 to 25%. So you're you're even

631
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,559
double that even with the big transfer

632
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,640
out. You got a healthy fund balance. Um

633
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,919
what we like to see. Um next slide. So

634
00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:01,279
we do have two management comments. We

635
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:02,880
don't have any findings findings make it

636
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,480
into your actual audit report. These are

637
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,960
just FYI we came across them. They were

638
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,799
here last year. They're kind of repeats.

639
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:11,039
And the the one is the payroll

640
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,120
processor. you know, the the the company

641
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:14,640
we use, they don't have a sock one

642
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,440
performed, and that creates some low

643
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,039
level of risk. We have some procedures

644
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:20,320
in place where we review their

645
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,919
information, but just want to kind of

646
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:23,679
continue to remind them that they don't

647
00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:25,679
have a SAC one reformed where it kind of

648
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:27,120
walks through their controls and how

649
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:28,960
they they how they operate and how they

650
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,720
do what they do. Um, and the journal

651
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,799
entries, you know, Britney was still had

652
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,120
the ability to post journal entries and

653
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:36,399
approve them without kind of an

654
00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:37,840
independent segregation of duties.

655
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,679
That's not a perfect world. It's a small

656
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:42,399
finance department. Um, that has trended

657
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:43,679
down over the years. It used to be a

658
00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:45,440
whole bunch of them, but she does have

659
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,200
an employee in there and there was some

660
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,120
segregation, but sometimes she just had

661
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,720
to get it done, so she posted entries.

662
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,159
So, kind of continue to highlight that,

663
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:54,799
but nothing over consu concerning. It's

664
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:56,240
a clean audit. You got good segregation

665
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,960
of duties throughout the city. You know,

666
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,840
cash coming in gets to the bank and

667
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,440
there's checks and balances on the money

668
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,039
going out the door, which is really what

669
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,799
I think the board will be most concerned

670
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:10,880
with. Um, next slide. And we are a

671
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,039
full-ervice EPA firm. We have a

672
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,200
government advisory services group. Um

673
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,720
they do a lot of projects in these four

674
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,960
buckets here. They deal they deal kind

675
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,960
of operations. You know the audit that I

676
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,440
do is very financial in nature and are

677
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,320
we reporting the money right? Are we

678
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,559
following Gazsby and following GAP and

679
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,399
following acral basis of accounting and

680
00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:32,159
they deal more with operations and kind

681
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:34,000
of like the flow of funds and how are

682
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,440
things flowing through the city? Why are

683
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,279
we doing what we're doing? how to that

684
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,039
align with maybe our own internal

685
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,200
policies and maybe best practices and

686
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,240
how could we ultimately deliver more

687
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,240
efficient services to this the citizens

688
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,480
of Aenddale. Um so that is something we

689
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,399
offer outside the scope of the audit.

690
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:51,600
It's something the board is ever

691
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,360
interested in hearing more about. I'd

692
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,480
love to, you know, connect you with the

693
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,320
partner that heads that up. It's it's

694
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,320
not an audit. They're not CPAs. They don't do accounting. They do, like

695
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,240
I said, it's just more operational and

696
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,679
what we're how we're doing and how the

697
00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:04,880
funds and everything are flowing through

698
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,320
the city. Um so that is something we

699
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,399
offer. Next slide. And we also have an

700
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:10,480
IT group. Um they do a lot of cyber

701
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,159
security assessments. Um they look at

702
00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:14,559
kind of like a gap analysis of what

703
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:17,279
information do we have from you know our

704
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,279
citizens or any vendors we work with and

705
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,080
how do we protect and keep that data you

706
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,000
know safe and what are we doing? Well

707
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000
the world's ever changing. I usually use

708
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,440
this slide as just kind of a reminder

709
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,880
that we have information and the hackers

710
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,880
are always out there and I see this a

711
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,399
lot. It's some of the largest

712
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:36,000
governments we work with and even some

713
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,559
that are minuscule. So, no one's too big

714
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:39,919
or too small. So, just kind of remind

715
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:41,440
our IT group to stay a breast of the

716
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,120
changes and but we do have a group that

717
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,799
deals with this if it's something you're

718
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:46,320
interested in. It's outside the scope of

719
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,159
the audit, but we'd love to help out.

720
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:50,480
Um, and then we can kind of skip to the

721
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,480
end. These are Gazsby's busy, but we'll

722
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,399
implement those as they come along. And

723
00:30:54,399 --> 00:30:55,760
that's really all I've got. It's a clean

724
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,120
audit. And, you know, like I said, we

725
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,799
really appreciate the city partner with

726
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:00,880
us to get it done. Um, it's a big big

727
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,120
task for y'all. And we do offer free CPE

728
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,679
to all of our clients. Um Tony Joe will

729
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:07,760
attend those. They're they're a heavy

730
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,200
government accounting basis, but anybody

731
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,960
at the city's welcome to attend. And

732
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,240
they are free. They're quarterly.

733
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,919
They're virtual. You don't have to drive

734
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:15,600
anywhere. You just do it on Zoom or

735
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Teams. And so appreciate the opportunity

736
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,520
to work with y'all. And if there's

737
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,760
questions, I'm happy to answer them.

738
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:22,240
>> Thank you.

739
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,039
>> Great. Thank you.

740
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:24,000
>> Yeah. Thank you.

741
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,149
>> I have none. Anybody?

742
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:30,720
» No. Thank for coming up with a clean

743
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,600
audit.

744
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,000
>> Yeah.

745
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,120
>> Thanks for having me.

746
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:33,760
>> Thank you.

747
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,880
>> Good job, guys.

748
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,720
>> Yes.

749
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,559
>> Thank you. Okay. Uh any questions,

750
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:46,480
comments appear regarding that?

751
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,120
>> All right. Uh item number seven, Mr.

752
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,559
Manager?

753
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,679
>> Yes. So tonight is the second read andor

754
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:57,840
consideration for uh the 2026 fiscal

755
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,279
year proposed budget amendments. Uh

756
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:05,440
nothing has changed between uh the last

757
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,000
read and this read. So it's still the

758
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,960
same information. Uh one thing I do want

759
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,000
to bring to your attention. Uh however,

760
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,840
we're not ready to make a a

761
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,000
recommendation on a revision for this

762
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,559
quite yet. Uh but uh we we have received

763
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:26,000
uh the 30% engineered drawings for the

764
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,080
Southwoods storm water and dam

765
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,640
rehabilitation project.

766
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,799
uh the phase one. If y'all recall, uh,

767
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,399
we began the the engineering work for

768
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:41,200
the phase one, uh, which is the west

769
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,120
side of the, uh, South Woods where the

770
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,279
pipe was exposed.

771
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,360
>> Uh, and, uh, that cost is projected

772
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,760
lower than, uh,

773
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,960
or maybe I should say within anticipated

774
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,159
budget. uh which will allow us to now

775
00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:05,279
move forward with the phase two design

776
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,720
uh comfortably. Uh we anticipate by the

777
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,000
end of the year we will have those

778
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,440
completely engineered and ready for bid.

779
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,720
Uh at that time we will be able to get a

780
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,440
really good cost estimate for the

781
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,320
project in its entirety. And so when we

782
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,200
go through the 27 budget process and

783
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
begin to adjust the capital program for

784
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,840
that, uh I think we'll have an

785
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,880
opportunity to um uh reallocate some of

786
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,039
the funds that were otherwise pledged

787
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,440
for that project to other storm water

788
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,080
projects, which will probably also allow

789
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,840
us to free up uh capital monies uh for

790
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,519
other purposes. So that is good news. Uh

791
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,919
we're very we're very excited that uh

792
00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:57,360
we're going to be able to move forward

793
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,760
with that project in its entirety. Um,

794
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,600
regarding the remainder of the the uh

795
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,560
consideration for you tonight, uh, just

796
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,560
kind of as a quick recap, um, we have

797
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,159
revised

798
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:19,839
uh, the 26 budget uh, for um, a a kind

799
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:22,639
of a a reduction in property tax

800
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,879
anticipated property tax collections

801
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:28,079
based on uh, the final digest and the

802
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:31,200
change in millage rate. Uh we have also

803
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,839
included uh the the operating budget for

804
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:39,760
2026 centennial activities

805
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,800
uh and uh made some changes to the

806
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,599
capital program to reflect the inclusion

807
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,839
of the center street storm water

808
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:52,560
project. uh the increase in the uh

809
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,399
monies allocated for uh the the the

810
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:59,280
improvements to the city hall facility

811
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,599
and uh monies that were provided via

812
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:07,599
donation uh thanks to Waffle House. Um

813
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,599
if y'all have any additional questions,

814
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:13,040
I'm happy to answer. Uh but that's all

815
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,800
of the information you have remains

816
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,640
unchanged.

817
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,400
How much was that estimate that they

818
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,359
gave us

819
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:20,960
>> for phase one?

820
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,190
>> Uh, $1.3 million.

821
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:36,470
» Um,

822
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,400
uh, what what projects do we um

823
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,160
out of this list do we think we're

824
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,920
actually going to get done hopefully the

825
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,839
end of the year?

826
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:50,079
um that that it depends. Now, I want to

827
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,480
remind you and the remainder of the

828
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,560
board that the capital program is not a

829
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,640
one-year budget. That is a two-year

830
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,440
rolling program that is that continues

831
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,839
to roll. It's like a it's a living

832
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:07,280
program. So, um not all of those

833
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,599
projects on the capital program are

834
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,680
scheduled for completion this year. Not

835
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,440
all of those projects that are on the

836
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,280
program will be scheduled for completion

837
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,760
next year. Some of those will roll into

838
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,160
future years. Those are just the

839
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,480
identified capital projects that we know

840
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,520
of and potential funding sources

841
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,880
allocated to those. Any any of those

842
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,880
projects to actually begin execution

843
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,760
would require an additional uh

844
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,720
appropriation via a contract from you

845
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,880
guys. So y'all actually get a acute

846
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,280
opportunity to make a decision about any

847
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,760
of the projects that are listed within

848
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:54,230
the capital program.

849
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,160
» Any other questions up here?

850
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,000
>> Well, I just um I would just like to

851
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,320
make a comment. Um I feel like that um

852
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,480
that we need a uh more cash flow basis

853
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,680
for our capital projects reporting. Um

854
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,480
so that we do see you know most places

855
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,119
do three to five years out where we kind

856
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:17,680
of project and then you know a more

857
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,880
specific kind of um information about

858
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,280
where the revenue is coming from to pay

859
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,640
those projects. um some of it's kind of

860
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,320
wrapped into the balance. Um and so to

861
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,119
me it's not, you know, it's just not

862
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,520
clear enough, you know, as to what we

863
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,880
are going to get done and when we're

864
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,280
going to do it. And I would like to see

865
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:48,150
that expanded.

866
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,880
» Others

867
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,280
motions, comments. Good.

868
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,760
>> Everybody good? All right. So, let's

869
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,640
see. Uh, do I have a motion to approve

870
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,280
an ordinance amending the budget for

871
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,920
fiscal year 2026 for the city of Avidel

872
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,800
Estates?

873
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,359
>> So, moved.

874
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:07,440
>> That was Graham. Do I have a second?

875
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,520
That was Mike. All in favor say

876
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,480
I. I.

877
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,640
>> All opposed. Nay.

878
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,320
>> Um, and that is because there are some

879
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,079
projects on there that I don't approve

880
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:17,920
of and also that I don't feel like I

881
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,960
have a clear enough u idea of the

882
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:32,230
revenues coming through to

883
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:36,079
» Okay. All right. Item number eight. Uh

884
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,960
we have talked about adopting a civility

885
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,079
pledge for two meetings.

886
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:43,520
I think two

887
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,359
>> yes multiple meetings that has been

888
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:47,200
discussed in the work

889
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,920
>> and we have kind of

890
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,079
settled on for lack of a better word two

891
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,920
versions. Um so we agreed that we were

892
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,200
just going to vote up or down on the

893
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,320
two. Um any comments beforehand up here?

894
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,880
Um

895
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,960
well, I mean, I would like to make a

896
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,000
motion that we um pass the one that

897
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,160
includes the final comment that the

898
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,079
board recognizes that these principles

899
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,079
are intended to establish the standards

900
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,079
of professional conduct perspective of

901
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,560
city officials. Conduct inconsistent

902
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,800
with these principles may be may be

903
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,240
addressed by the board through its

904
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,560
existing authority under the charter

905
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,359
city ordinance, personnel policies,

906
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:31,280
employment agreements, and other ethical

907
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,800
laws. That's what I would like to have

908
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,680
to approve.

909
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,680
>> Okay, that's version two. So,

910
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,119
Commissioner Stevens made a motion. Is

911
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:46,230
there a second?

912
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,760
Is there is there a way to get

913
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,240
clarification on the because like I

914
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,800
apologize. Um

915
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,320
>> just a further explanation on that that

916
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,520
>> version one and version two are almost

917
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,680
identical. Version two includes section

918
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,880
8 with the language that Commissioner

919
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,550
Steedman just referenced.

920
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,240
Is there anything wrong with that?

921
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:16,960
>> Is there can you explain section 8? Are

922
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,760
you able to um

923
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,800
as to what what difference I mean

924
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,800
>> materially? No. Uh

925
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,680
the the the language simply uh states

926
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,320
um or or condenses or compiles

927
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,839
um

928
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:40,480
you know a a reaffirmation

929
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,359
to follow your existing laws and and uh

930
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:55,270
policies.

931
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,680
But it's just a reaffirmation. Correct.

932
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:04,390
>> That is correct.

933
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,280
» So motion has been made.

934
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,280
>> Got a second. Wait, I did not have a

935
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,880
second.

936
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,599
>> It just it just reaffirms what the prior

937
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,119
ones do. I mean, is there any

938
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,599
difference? I um

939
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:24,790
>> there's no legal difference here.

940
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,400
I mean, if there's no legal difference,

941
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,400
I mean, and we're reaffirming the

942
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,680
previous points, I mean, I'm okay with

943
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,720
the second.

944
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,800
>> Okay. So,

945
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,440
Mr. Smith has made a second. Okay. All

946
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,640
in favor say I.

947
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,280
>> I.

948
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,040
All post say nay.

949
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:41,839
>> Nay.

950
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:44,240
>> All right. So, that's two, three. All

951
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,640
right. So, do I have a motion to approve

952
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,839
version one?

953
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:49,520
>> So moved. That was Graham. Do I have a

954
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:49,920
second?

955
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,319
>> Second.

956
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:52,560
>> That was Louie.

957
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,599
>> Any comments, questions?

958
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:54,400
>> I'll make a comment.

959
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,359
>> Okay. So the reason why I feel that the

960
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:01,119
first one is more consistent with what

961
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:05,599
it is the civility of

962
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,280
uh

963
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,750
a civil

964
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,200
sorry because

965
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,200
um again the la to me the last bit as I

966
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,440
mentioned publicly before just feels

967
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,160
like a bit of a stick at the end and

968
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,359
It's for the purpose of this document as

969
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:32,160
it's written. That's sort of not in the character of it what it's

970
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,560
trying to say. Um I felt like it was

971
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,280
just trying to add something. I wasn't

972
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:45,030
in the spirit of what this tended to do.

973
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,680
» Any other comments?

974
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,880
>> Um yes. I don't feel like that that

975
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,280
statement at all was a stick. It was

976
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,839
simply a statement that we acknowledge

977
00:42:55,839 --> 00:43:00,480
that this is important and uh that there

978
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,040
you know that we're assuring our

979
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,440
residents that we take this cons we take

980
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,079
it seriously. Um I don't think it's

981
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:09,680
there's anything there that would

982
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,800
suggest that we are you know imposing

983
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,589
anything on anybody.

984
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,440
» Any other?

985
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,720
>> All right. So I'd like to ask for a

986
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,960
vote. All in favor say I. I

987
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,319
>> was it five?

988
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:26,800
>> Yes.

989
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,560
>> Okay.

990
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,359
And none opposed. Okay. Thank you. And

991
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:36,000
I'm glad we have done that. Okay. Um

992
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:41,280
so item number nine. Um

993
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,400
was that the one? Uh we could do a

994
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,800
consent vote and vote this in first

995
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,119
time. Correct, Patrick?

996
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:49,440
>> All right.

997
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,920
>> Correct. Um did you want to say anything

998
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,680
before this? I mean this is fairly

999
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,800
straightforward.

1000
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,520
>> Yeah, just briefly uh to remind the

1001
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,800
board and the public that um every so

1002
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,520
often the state uh uh updates its

1003
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,280
regulation of storm water discharge and

1004
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,640
requests uh municipalities that reside

1005
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,040
within the state to update their local

1006
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,920
ordinance to reflect state law change.

1007
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,480
This is exactly what is being performed

1008
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,599
here.

1009
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:25,109
>> Okay. [clears throat]

1010
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,960
Uh we did talk about this before. This

1011
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,359
is just as the manager said, this is a

1012
00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:30,800
fairly straightforward thing. We

1013
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,800
basically have to adopt it to receive

1014
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,240
funding and some other stuff. Um

1015
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,599
so normally we do two reads on a change

1016
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:40,960
to the ordinance. This would be the

1017
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,480
first read. There would be a second one

1018
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,800
in two weeks. Uh we did change the

1019
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,200
ordinance a couple years ago to say that

1020
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,599
we can vote on the first read if we have

1021
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,920
a consent vote and that consent vote has

1022
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,079
to be five. It has to be unanimous. So

1023
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,800
do I have a motion to have a consent

1024
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:59,760
vote?

1025
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,560
>> So moved.

1026
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,160
>> That was Graham. Do I have a second?

1027
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:02,480
>> Second.

1028
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,800
>> That was Lou. All in favor say I.

1029
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,720
>> That's five. Okay. Now we are unable to

1030
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,800
vote on this. Um so uh we have before us

1031
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,560
an ordinance by the city of Aendell

1032
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,880
states to amend chapter 11 of the code

1033
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,440
of ordinances health and sanitation to

1034
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,560
add new section 11-12 entitled private

1035
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040
decentralized wastewater systems

1036
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,200
prohibited to article one of said

1037
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,280
chapter for the purpose of prohibiting

1038
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,440
certain private wastewater systems

1039
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,599
within the city of Aenddale states in

1040
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:33,760
accordance with the metropolitan north

1041
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,520
Georgia water planning district

1042
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,520
requirements. Do I have a motion to

1043
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,040
approve?

1044
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:39,520
>> So moved.

1045
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,960
>> That was That was Mike. Do I have a

1046
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:41,280
second?

1047
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:41,599
>> Second.

1048
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:43,440
>> That was Lou. All in favor say I.

1049
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:43,839
>> I.

1050
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:46,640
>> That's five.

1051
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,560
>> Thank you everyone.

1052
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,839
Okay. Now item number 10. Uh Mr.

1053
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:53,839
Manager, could you?

1054
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:56,560
>> Yes. So, as we discussed at the last

1055
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,119
work session, uh before you, you have

1056
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,000
the first of what will be two project

1057
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,400
framework agreements with G DOT for the

1058
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,000
purposes of receiving a federal award

1059
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,000
um through G DOT. That award uh is for

1060
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,560
what we are calling our downtown shared

1061
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,839
streets project uh to provide for

1062
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:20,400
multimodal improvements to our downtown

1063
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,079
road network. uh this framework is for

1064
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,720
the design phase of the project. You

1065
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:28,960
will have another framework uh for the

1066
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,359
construction phase. I did want to take

1067
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:33,599
this time to address the comment made by

1068
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,800
Mr. Doro during public comment. Uh that

1069
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,440
is a legal requirement that that exhibit

1070
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,280
F is a legal requirement from the state

1071
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,920
of Georgia to receive federal funds via

1072
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,400
G dot. Um, so if we uh were to not

1073
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,640
accept that project framework agreement,

1074
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,280
that means we could not accept uh the

1075
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,190
grant award.

1076
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,280
» Well, and that would be problematic

1077
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,920
because then we would be essentially

1078
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,200
blacklisting ourselves all future

1079
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,880
transportation.

1080
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,560
>> Well, each of them are voted on,

1081
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,160
correct?

1082
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,480
>> What's that? I mean, you're not you're

1083
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,560
not just sort of blanket listed

1084
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,040
>> proving.

1085
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,760
>> No, I mean, if we if we if we do not

1086
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,000
follow state of Georgia law, then we

1087
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,040
would not no longer be eligible for

1088
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,480
these awards.

1089
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,480
>> I mean, that we don't have a choice.

1090
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,480
>> How much is this award?

1091
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,599
>> It's over three million.

1092
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:37,040
>> Um, is this being required of all

1093
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:37,440
>> Yes.

1094
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,079
>> municipalities? every single one.

1095
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:42,960
>> And also the state law that was adopted

1096
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,240
I think two years ago uh essentially

1097
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:50,160
holds that if the state concludes that a

1098
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,920
municipality is a sanctuary city then we

1099
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,200
will not receive any state funding

1100
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,440
if so it's not just this project or

1101
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,390
other projects that we would bid on

1102
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,800
» proposed for.

1103
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,119
What's the timeline for this particular

1104
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,119
um

1105
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:12,720
item vote

1106
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:16,079
>> then? Now,

1107
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,280
>> I I would highly advise y'all to uh

1108
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,960
follow the state law.

1109
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,760
I don't think we have any recourse,

1110
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,960
positive recourse by not doing so at

1111
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,480
all.

1112
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,119
>> Um I've got something on another matter

1113
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:37,040
with this. Um, so I see where it says

1114
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,800
the city's responsible for accomplishing

1115
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,200
the preliminary engineering work. Is

1116
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,160
that part of that 100,000 or is that

1117
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,400
additional funds?

1118
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,640
>> So part of the grant award is for design

1119
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,720
engineered design. Part of the grant

1120
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,160
award is for construction.

1121
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:54,640
>> Yeah.

1122
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,760
>> This project framework agreement is

1123
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,760
>> covers the design piece.

1124
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,839
>> The match component throughout the

1125
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:04,079
entire award is the same. It's an 8020

1126
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:05,119
match component.

1127
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,760
>> That that that wasn't what I asked or

1128
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,559
don't think. Basically, it's saying here

1129
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,000
and I don't know if it's kind of

1130
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,359
separating it says that the city is

1131
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:17,359
responsible for accomplishing the pre

1132
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:19,520
preliminary engineering work. That's the

1133
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,640
$500,000.

1134
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,359
>> That's correct.

1135
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:23,839
>> Okay. And then our the our part of it is

1136
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:26,960
h 100,000 which the DEA is paying for.

1137
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:27,760
>> Correct.

1138
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,359
>> And what happens if we go over on that

1139
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:33,599
500,000?

1140
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:38,160
If if design costs cost more than that,

1141
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,200
>> um I I I I think we would certainly have

1142
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,960
to to to increase our contribution of

1143
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,880
local funds. We don't anticipate that to

1144
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,240
happen or we ask for more money and

1145
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:55,280
every time that's true. Every time we

1146
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,599
have run into that situation in the

1147
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,960
past, G do has provided additional

1148
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,559
funding to cover the gap.

1149
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,599
>> All right. Thank you.

1150
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:11,030
>> Okay.

1151
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,240
So,

1152
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:20,150
any other questions, comments?

1153
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,119
» Well, I will say I appreciate Mr. Dora

1154
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:26,400
for bringing this up. It's frustrating.

1155
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,880
It's annoying that that has to be shoved

1156
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,800
into into these grant agreements.

1157
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,200
Um we've benefited from many grants and

1158
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,839
as have other

1159
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:41,200
organizations and municipalities. Um but

1160
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,440
I I do appreciate the sentiment in which

1161
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,280
it was brought up and I think it's very

1162
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,480
frustrating.

1163
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,240
you know, has the potential for making

1164
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:49,920
it look like we're complicit when really

1165
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,839
we're trying to because the purpose of

1166
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:54,720
this multimodal

1167
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,200
improvement is to make a, you know, two

1168
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,800
streets be less, you know, vehicle

1169
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,520
friendly and more pedestrian friendly.

1170
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,359
make them, you know, where um uh make

1171
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:10,160
that part of our downtown feel like you

1172
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,520
can walk down the middle of the street

1173
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,040
and the cars are the ones that have to

1174
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,440
be patient and wait for you to get by or

1175
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,440
for the kid on their bike or the person

1176
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,400
walking their dog. So, this is all meant

1177
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,760
to um really do something for the

1178
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,760
healthy welfare and benefit of the

1179
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,240
residents. Um and it has that little

1180
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:29,920
thorn in it that makes you feel a little

1181
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,520
bit icky now. So, um, you know, if I

1182
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,160
vote to approve this, it in no way and

1183
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,480
none of us, I believe, is is meant to

1184
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,680
imply that we are, um, think that's a

1185
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,160
nice way to do business with the state.

1186
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,520
>> You're welcome. And there's a simple

1187
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,680
solution that you'd like to hear at some

1188
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,839
point that keeps having where you can

1189
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:56,240
get the money and solve the problem.

1190
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:57,520
Okay.

1191
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,000
>> U, I have to agree with with Louie. I'm

1192
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,920
very disappointed that that's in the in

1193
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,280
the contract, but at the same time, you

1194
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,920
know, we need state contracts to get

1195
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,920
things done in this city. And u it's

1196
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,760
just unfortunate that we have to sign on

1197
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,559
to something that includes um you know,

1198
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,400
something that we may not support in

1199
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:22,069
order to get money to improve our city.

1200
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:26,790
And I agree as well. Um

1201
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,160
well uh

1202
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,000
I just think this is something that's

1203
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,480
been decided from a state level. So I

1204
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,800
mean everybody can vote accordingly in

1205
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,440
their state elections as well.

1206
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,599
It's true.

1207
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:46,640
All right. So uh [sighs] I have read

1208
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,280
Well, no I haven't. Okay. So I haven't

1209
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,079
made a motion. So, do I have a motion to

1210
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:54,800
approve a project framework agreement by

1211
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,480
and between Georgia Department of

1212
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,319
Transportation and City of Aenddale

1213
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:00,480
states for transportation facility

1214
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,240
improvements?

1215
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:03,680
>> That was Mike. Do I have a second?

1216
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,000
>> Second.

1217
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,000
>> That's Louis. All in favor say I.

1218
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:06,319
>> I.

1219
00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:13,990
>> That's five.

1220
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,040
» All right. And last item of business

1221
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,599
this evening. Uh, Mr. manager, could you

1222
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:20,800
tee this up as well?

1223
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,359
>> Yes. Uh before you, as discussed at the

1224
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:25,119
last work session is an easement

1225
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:28,079
agreement with the property owner at 732

1226
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,720
Stratford Road. Uh that typo

1227
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,079
transposition has now been bent. Uh this

1228
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:38,079
is for the purposes of uh allowing the

1229
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,520
city to perform work on private property

1230
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,760
to address an issue with its own storm

1231
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,160
water system. Um and uh the property

1232
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,319
owner has already agreed to the e the easement agreement that you have

1233
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:54,640
before you and in order to complete that

1234
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,520
agreement uh we would also need um

1235
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,240
consideration from the

1236
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:03,200
>> Thank you. Uh any questions, comments on

1237
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,359
this one?

1238
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:08,240
We did discuss this last time. Again,

1239
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,040
this is just sort of a I wouldn't call

1240
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,720
housekeeping but close to it. We just

1241
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,359
need to get an easement so we can access

1242
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:16,800
our storm water structure that's on

1243
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,480
someone else's property. So, um,

1244
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,440
questions, comments?

1245
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,240
Okay. Do I have a motion to approve an

1246
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,880
easement agreement between Samuel

1247
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,839
Sundelle Grantor and the city of Aendell

1248
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:34,079
States Georgia Grantee Municipal

1249
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,119
Corporation? So, Louie, do I have a

1250
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,480
second? Laida. All in favor say I. I.

1251
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,069
>> That's five.

1252
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,559
Thank you. All right. So, that concludes

1253
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:48,720
our business for the evening. Uh, do I

1254
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,000
have a motion to adjurnn?

1255
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,119
>> So, move.

1256
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:52,240
>> Do I have a second?

1257
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,079
>> Second. That's Mike. All in favor say I.

1258
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:56,319
That's five. Uh, for those of you who

1259
00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:57,280
haven't been to one of our meetings

1260
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,640
before, we're going to take a 10-minute

1261
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,920
break. Uh, we will reconvene uh down at

1262
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,000
the table for our work session. You are

1263
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,079
more than welcome to stay. Um,

1264
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:09,440
but that's just how we're running things

1265
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,839
now. So, 10-minute break. It is what

1266
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:13,359
time you have.

1267
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:16,960
>> It's 6:22. We will reconvene at 6:32.

1268
00:55:16,960 --> 01:07:44,630
So, thank you all.

1269
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,960
This is our work session. It's August

1270
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:51,119
26, 2026. It's now 64

1271
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:54,799
34. Um, I'd like to call the meeting to

1272
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:57,119
order. We have an agenda for fourth. I

1273
01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:02,559
have a motion to adopt. So, I was grate.

1274
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:04,559
I Okay.

1275
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:07,359
>> All right. First item up for discussion.

1276
01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:09,520
Uh item number three, continue

1277
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,200
discussion of an amendment to the golf

1278
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,000
cart ordinance to allow crossing from

1279
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,400
South Avenue to Pine Street. Uh Mr.

1280
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:17,600
Manager.

1281
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,560
>> Yes. Uh so we began this discussion at

1282
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,480
our last work session uh in order for us

1283
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:28,719
to uh potentially obtain uh G dot

1284
01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:34,239
permission uh for a crossing to be um

1285
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:35,759
instructed

1286
01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:39,600
uh from uh South Aenddale to Pine Street

1287
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,239
for the purposes of golf carts traveling

1288
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:46,319
across uh 278. we would have to amend

1289
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,679
our own ordinance uh prior to receiving

1290
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:54,400
that permission. Uh if y'all recall um

1291
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,560
our discussion evolved from one where we

1292
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,520
were then beginning to talk about some

1293
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,920
other regulations within the golf cart

1294
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,799
ordinance that we might want to address

1295
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:08,880
uh and decided to bring that back to

1296
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,480
work session. And so that's where we uh

1297
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:15,759
remain today.

1298
01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:19,839
Um, and I may have been the the primary

1299
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:22,799
person behind that. Um, I'm concerned

1300
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:27,040
for just younger drivers,

1301
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,120
you know, safely crossing the road and

1302
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,679
not creating a

1303
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:34,080
hazardous situation that could result in

1304
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,480
something bad. Um,

1305
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:40,159
I guess really I've been thinking about

1306
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:43,120
this a bit. Uh our our our current

1307
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,560
ordinance does allow a person who has a

1308
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,640
Georgia driver's license to drive a golf

1309
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,799
cart. Correct.

1310
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:55,040
>> Uh I would like us to consider changing

1311
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,960
it that to drive a golf cart. You got to

1312
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,719
be 18.

1313
01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:01,440
>> Uh and that

1314
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:04,000
Stephen just for purposes of moving the

1315
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,600
discussion forward. the state allows for

1316
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:11,120
local municipalities to increase the age

1317
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,840
at which eligibility occurs,

1318
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,400
>> right? With with 18 being as low as we

1319
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:17,520
can go

1320
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,199
>> or as high. I'm sorry. as high as

1321
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:23,679
>> well. And I was talking to

1322
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:26,159
>> someone after the meeting last week or

1323
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:29,040
two weeks ago and was a younger person

1324
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,600
and they put it most succinctly that

1325
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,480
golf carts create the illusion of safety

1326
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:36,880
and they are not as safe as a car. Uh

1327
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,000
cars are rigorously tested. Uh we all

1328
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,760
see the commercials and hear about all

1329
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,679
that and golf carts are different. I

1330
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:45,520
mean they're meant to be on a golf cart

1331
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,159
on a golf course, you know. Um, and I

1332
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,719
just feel like

1333
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:54,400
even though the state of Georgia says a

1334
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,719
16-year-old can drive a car on the

1335
01:10:56,719 --> 01:11:00,400
interstate or cross country, uh, I think

1336
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,040
that I don't know. I just would like us

1337
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,600
to consider upping the age for golf

1338
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,400
drivers just perhaps there's a little

1339
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,840
more maturity there, a little more

1340
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,560
appreciation for

1341
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,040
safety and what can happen and and how

1342
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,120
thing how quickly things can go wrong

1343
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:22,239
and um you know perhaps uh someone who's

1344
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:23,760
been driving a car for two years can

1345
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,199
appreciate that a little more. But I'm

1346
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:27,760
just I don't want to be overly paranoid.

1347
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,840
I just, you know, not sure that uh all

1348
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,679
the 16 year olds out there driving golf

1349
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:36,080
carts are really

1350
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,199
sort of mindful of the hazard of driving

1351
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:41,600
that they should be. So that's just

1352
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,640
that's in a nutshell is just maybe some

1353
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,480
consideration up in the age on that one.

1354
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:49,440
>> Um

1355
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,120
>> it's not a concern for safety. I mean

1356
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,360
it's just not trying to penalize anyone.

1357
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,360
I don't want to assume anyone's

1358
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:56,560
>> I'm sorry.

1359
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,719
>> Whatever. No, you didn't. I would. I I

1360
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:01,840
just I just think a couple extra years

1361
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,679
might help prevent

1362
01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:08,320
some driving that you do otherwise. So,

1363
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:08,880
no good.

1364
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,640
>> That's okay. I just wanted to make Are

1365
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,480
these items that were highlighted in

1366
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:15,280
yellow? Are those the only changes or

1367
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,199
are those the exact changes that we're

1368
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:19,840
making?

1369
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:20,159
>> Yeah.

1370
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:22,719
>> Yes. Well, in a rough draft form, I mean

1371
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:25,280
once we get the more direction

1372
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:29,040
>> from the board, then I will take that

1373
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,159
rough draft and word smith it.

1374
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:34,560
>> So, so we're thinking content right now

1375
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,455
rather than exact wording. If you have

1376
01:12:36,455 --> 01:12:38,400
[clears throat] an exact wording, then

1377
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,199
>> so it says here that only 18 years of

1378
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:42,960
that year older may register the

1379
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:48,000
vehicle. 16 can drive, right? Right.

1380
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,960
Um

1381
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,880
I saw somewhere where it said only 18

1382
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,600
year olds cross the street

1383
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:00,550
in the thing but it just

1384
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:05,600
um just for my curiosity. I think the

1385
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,920
fact that

1386
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,960
you know before 270 it was the the

1387
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:19,199
highway concept when when it changed to the new complete street um is it's I

1388
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:21,760
thought golf carts were not allowed to

1389
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,520
put in the speed limit.

1390
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,560
>> That is one component. Okay. So uh and

1391
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,920
not just the speed on 278 but also the

1392
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,800
speed on the road connecting. So South

1393
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,159
Aenddale. Okay. Um

1394
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:39,600
that is another step in the permitting

1395
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:44,560
process from G dot um to uh provide for

1396
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,480
this crossing would be a reduction in

1397
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:50,640
speed on South Aenddale Road. uh which

1398
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:54,400
um would require a speed study to um

1399
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,960
demonstrate that a reduction in speed on

1400
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:02,480
that road is even uh palatable or

1401
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:05,679
>> what is it now?

1402
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:07,360
>> 30 correct

1403
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:08,000
>> 35.

1404
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,229
>> Oh, it's 35 on South.

1405
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:14,800
» Yeah, it has to go. So any any road that

1406
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,679
has golf motorized carts that can be no

1407
01:14:17,679 --> 01:14:18,960
more than 30.

1408
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,120
>> So in order for the crossing to be made,

1409
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,000
>> okay,

1410
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,440
>> the speed, the highest rate of speed

1411
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:29,840
permitted on South Aenddale Road has to

1412
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:34,000
be reduced from 35 to 30 because of the

1413
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,360
aforementioned dangers that uh the mayor

1414
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,679
has spoken. So we have to go through a

1415
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:42,480
study before we could lower it to 30 or

1416
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:43,920
could we just lower it 30 if we

1417
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,280
>> No, G dot has to uh allow us to reduce

1418
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,520
the speed in order to provide for this

1419
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,400
permit. So first step is amending the

1420
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,760
ordinance to provide for language

1421
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,880
allowing the crossing to be made. Next

1422
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,199
step would be to ensure that the speed

1423
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:06,480
of travel on South Aendale uh can be

1424
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:10,000
lowered to accommodate the crossing. Um

1425
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,400
and of course uh we've already taken

1426
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,719
other steps to accommodate the crossing

1427
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,719
such as making that intersection a

1428
01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:19,600
protected intersection with lights um

1429
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,920
and a designated crossing spot. There

1430
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,480
would also be a requirement to place

1431
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:28,000
signage at the location indicating that

1432
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:34,480
it is a golf cart crossing uh and that would be the only place that we

1433
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:37,280
would allow for uh golf carts to cross

1434
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,080
278. So there are several things that we

1435
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:41,920
would have to do in this process. This

1436
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:43,600
is just the first of those.

1437
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,800
>> So North Aendelle is 35. South Aendelle

1438
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,640
is the residential side

1439
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,280
>> and it's 35 as well. I think it's

1440
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,840
actually 30 and it needed to go to 25.

1441
01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:01,110
>> Yes,

1442
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,000
» I'm okay with the crossing. It's taking

1443
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,880
this first step. Um, and I've

1444
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,760
considered, you know, changing the age,

1445
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:14,000
but I think the bigger issue is

1446
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,560
educating people with DOM cards. like we

1447
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,560
can tell all day long they don't have to

1448
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,960
be 18 but you know the police can't

1449
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:26,320
really pull them over if they don't look 18 don't look 16 or whatever

1450
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,560
so it's like and I know we can't you

1451
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,760
know we can't uh legislate good behavior

1452
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,440
but good you know ownership or whatever

1453
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:37,199
but somehow and I know the police

1454
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:38,480
department's been really trying to do

1455
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:40,320
this with registering the carts having

1456
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:41,679
the golf cart rodeos and things like

1457
01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:44,800
that somehow we have to figure out a way

1458
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,920
to reach every golf card on her and you

1459
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,920
know

1460
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,159
they'll you know really figure out how

1461
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:54,320
to educate them on what you're supposed

1462
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:55,840
to do with these things that they're not

1463
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:01,280
as safe as car that they're not as uh

1464
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,080
carefree as people think they are. So I

1465
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,480
mean it's like

1466
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,080
but you know the crossing I think the

1467
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,440
road this was part of our plan to begin

1468
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:14,800
with think people with golf cars will

1469
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,120
welcome us I want to bring some activity

1470
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,000
between two sides of the road which I'm

1471
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,760
always looking to do um with crossing I

1472
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,320
don't have any issue with uh I think you

1473
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,719
know I think it needs to be done

1474
01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:33,440
absolutely the G9 specifications I guess

1475
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:35,360
25 is fine. Feel like most of us in the

1476
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,600
city 25 already. So

1477
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,640
um and I think I think just you know

1478
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,400
somehow

1479
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,760
figuring out how to

1480
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,159
teach our teach I don't know what the

1481
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:53,440
right word is but educate our golf

1482
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:56,880
that you know there are laws and you

1483
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,920
have to follow these laws. It's not okay

1484
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:01,920
to just

1485
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,840
>> And do you mind if I elaborate on

1486
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,159
something? Sure. uh speaking to your

1487
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:11,600
point about um recognizing age.

1488
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,640
>> Um so

1489
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:21,040
in order for for the police to um

1490
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:25,199
stop a golf cart user or engage a golf

1491
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:27,600
cart user in the course of them using

1492
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,960
the cart. uh there there would have to

1493
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,440
be a moving violation in order to make

1494
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:36,159
that engagement. So um we can't just

1495
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:39,920
profile uh I just wanted to clarify that

1496
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,199
for you guys. So um

1497
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:45,600
>> so if someone was like noticeably like

1498
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,189
10

1499
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:47,920
[laughter]

1500
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:49,520
like

1501
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:50,480
>> unfortunately no.

1502
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:51,520
>> Okay.

1503
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,360
>> Unfortunately in this time and age you

1504
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:54,880
have 12 year olds that look like they're

1505
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,640
21 and you have 20 year olds that look

1506
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:57,760
like they're 12.

1507
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,440
>> Yeah. and and can't go off of solely

1508
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:03,199
like I think Patrick said it we're

1509
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:05,520
profiling at that point which is highly

1510
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,360
illegal. We have to have probable cause

1511
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,840
or reasonable article suspicion and

1512
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,440
profiling does not fall into the

1513
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:13,280
reasonable article suspicion. Uh it

1514
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,000
would have to be a violation

1515
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,400
come out to legal interaction.

1516
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:25,750
>> Probably not going to catch speed.

1517
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,400
» But they do people do run stop sign.

1518
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,320
>> No, that would be a moving violation

1519
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:35,040
that would that would allow for a stop.

1520
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:40,630
I I I for one I think um

1521
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,679
I initially I'm I would not be in favor

1522
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:48,239
of raising the the age. I just I think

1523
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:50,400
golf carts are part of this neighborhood

1524
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,360
and I think I'm more concerned about the

1525
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,159
ebikes and how fast they go. There's

1526
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:58,640
kids that are eight, nine

1527
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,560
years old that are going 40 miles an

1528
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,560
hour and like these I mean the carts I

1529
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,640
mean if we can restrict it to a safe

1530
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:12,000
crossing I think think that's something that um

1531
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,520
you know there's always inherent risk

1532
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,239
with with everything pedestrians even

1533
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:18,719
but I think

1534
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:24,320
I don't know I would I would not be in favor of of

1535
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,400
race

1536
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:27,920
16

1537
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:33,430
they can drive a car drive a

1538
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:36,400
» um now with when they register now do

1539
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,159
they get a decal or something to put on

1540
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:41,120
their vehicle and are we having problems

1541
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,480
with people registering I mean or do we

1542
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:47,920
>> actually with well we've um

1543
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,920
>> we we've been able to capture a lot of

1544
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,080
unregistered golf carts the previous two

1545
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,920
years with our golf cart registration

1546
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:54,960
drives

1547
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,719
Uh so that is less of an issue than it

1548
01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:01,040
was previously and we'll continue to do

1549
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,360
that. Um so that we don't have

1550
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,360
unregistered vehicles on our streets. Um

1551
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,320
now an unregistered cart and I'll defer

1552
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,600
to Chief Hess on this uh would

1553
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,640
potentially be a moving violation

1554
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,320
>> potentially. Potentially yes. The um

1555
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,880
only concern with that is we've kind of

1556
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,199
come up with consistent place to put

1557
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:28,159
said sticker the last two years.

1558
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:31,679
Previous administration, previous wave

1559
01:21:31,679 --> 01:21:33,280
stickers were put on were all over the

1560
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,440
place. And with the aging stickers,

1561
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:37,280
we're finding uh more and more residents

1562
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,440
have reached out to Detective Powrill

1563
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:41,360
about getting a new sticker because

1564
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,080
their old sticker is falling apart or

1565
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,679
fallen off or weathered. um she is

1566
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:49,520
working with those residents as a a case

1567
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,760
by case basis. So um we can more than

1568
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:58,560
likely yes we see a golf cart moving and

1569
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,199
we can stop and make contact.

1570
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:02,960
>> Can you state where the preferred spot

1571
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,520
was? Uh but moving forward it's going to

1572
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,199
be the driver side rear like quarter

1573
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:10,960
panel uh either right of on either front

1574
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,880
or rear because the golf carts nowadays

1575
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,000
they've got like basically no fender to

1576
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,679
the rear. Some of them do, some of them

1577
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:19,360
don't. So we've putting them on that

1578
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:27,110
driver side rear tire fender area.

1579
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:28,639
Well, I don't know if I have any trouble

1580
01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:31,520
with um the 18y old requirement because

1581
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,199
I wish they changed that with driver's

1582
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:35,440
license.

1583
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:38,159
My granddaughter is going to be 16 next

1584
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:41,830
June and I'm horrified.

1585
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:43,120
The thought of her driving around in

1586
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:50,229
Atlanta.

1587
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:54,080
Well, crossing is the part that I'm uh

1588
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,600
most

1589
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,400
looking forward to and the fact that

1590
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,719
we've got, you know, new residences,

1591
01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:02,719
single family residences, etc. being

1592
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:06,800
built on this side. Um, it it it's a way

1593
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,480
to promote connectivity. It's a way to

1594
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:11,840
promote sort of ease. I mean, there is

1595
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,400
definitely something nice about putting

1596
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,159
children in a golf cart, driving to

1597
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:18,960
their school, dropping them off. that I

1598
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,480
mean that's a lovely thing and you don't

1599
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:23,520
get to do that in many places and um I

1600
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,600
would hate to have some people have the

1601
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,600
ability to do that and others not. Now I

1602
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,199
know that still exists and know there's

1603
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:31,840
other parts that can't do that but at

1604
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,159
least there is a part here that will

1605
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:37,040
hopefully will it will

1606
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,480
and just to be clear I'm all for the

1607
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,400
crossing. I think it's great and I think

1608
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,199
it'll be just an expansion of that

1609
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,920
specialness that you know we enjoy. I'm

1610
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,280
all for that. I'm just, you know,

1611
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,159
as I said before, I was not the most

1612
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:55,760
careful 16-year-old driver. So,

1613
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,120
um, yeah.

1614
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,480
Well, okay. So, we're all okay with the

1615
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:04,080
crossing itself.

1616
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,719
>> Is there any appetite for open age?

1617
01:24:06,719 --> 01:24:09,360
>> Straw both.

1618
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:10,560
>> You're not.

1619
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,880
>> It don't matter either way.

1620
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,360
>> And you can drive a car.

1621
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,760
>> Okay. All right. So, we'll drop that.

1622
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,520
So, what's next?

1623
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,320
>> So, based on that direction, the only

1624
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,639
amendment that we will propose to you

1625
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:29,120
guys via ordinance is for the crossing.

1626
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,000
Um, so that will be brought forward to

1627
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,600
you at the next regular meeting for um

1628
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:36,159
first street,

1629
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:37,120
>> right? For street.

1630
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,280
>> Okay. And I'll say one more time like I

1631
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,600
think that that doing this I think will

1632
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,760
be good opportunity to teach people just

1633
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,440
number one where that crossing's going

1634
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:49,920
to be. It's not every crossing, you

1635
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,639
know.

1636
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:54,400
>> Well, I think there's going to be signs.

1637
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:55,760
>> Yeah. I think the important thing though

1638
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,880
is you cross, you don't get on. Yeah.

1639
01:24:58,880 --> 01:24:59,360
Exactly.

1640
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,199
>> And that's going to be

1641
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:02,800
>> that's not going to be I mean that's

1642
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,159
always going to be

1643
01:25:04,159 --> 01:25:04,960
>> not allowed.

1644
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:05,360
>> Correct.

1645
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:05,840
>> Yeah.

1646
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:10,790
No travel on on the highway.

1647
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,320
» Uh curious. I know we have, you know,

1648
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,719
that that this is discussion about

1649
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:18,960
crossing on that side, but I mean, is

1650
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,080
there even access to the downtown area

1651
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,960
from like say the other side

1652
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,120
>> without a hill like?

1653
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:28,960
>> You mean here down here?

1654
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:29,760
>> Yeah.

1655
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,120
>> For a golf cart?

1656
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:35,199
>> No. Because it's not protected with

1657
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:37,199
>> signaling.

1658
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:37,440
Yeah.

1659
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:39,679
>> Is there a theoretical possibility that

1660
01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:41,600
when that rest of the

1661
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,679
>> road from here to Kensington Station

1662
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:47,520
gets upgraded that whatever could occur

1663
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,679
theoretically if there was a will to

1664
01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:50,800
make it to

1665
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,360
>> I don't want to weigh in Ellen that uh

1666
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:58,560
without good information. Um so uh I

1667
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,560
I'll try and seek that information for

1668
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,440
you guys but uh I don't have it right

1669
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:05,760
now. when you dropped, would you be able

1670
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,520
to drive around this neighborhood back

1671
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:07,840
here?

1672
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,560
>> Yes. Yeah. So, once you get if you would

1673
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:14,320
cross like so if you cross 278 down

1674
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:14,719
there,

1675
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:15,360
>> right,

1676
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,080
>> and that would allow for you to drive

1677
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,239
your golf cart on any of the the the

1678
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:26,239
interior roads here. So, theoretically,

1679
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:28,000
um I you know,

1680
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,400
>> but you couldn't cross at Laredo.

1681
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,760
>> You mean like cross Clarendon? cross

1682
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,199
Laredo or Clarendon.

1683
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:36,880
>> You have to cross Laredo to get over

1684
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,719
here.

1685
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:41,280
>> I mean, you you Yes. Well, you'd have to

1686
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,560
cross Clarendon.

1687
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:43,280
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1688
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:44,800
>> But there's Right. Right.

1689
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,120
>> But you can go right into Laredo, too,

1690
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,320
off where Center Street curves.

1691
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,080
>> Well, you can already do that.

1692
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:52,480
>> Yeah.

1693
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:54,560
>> Well, I'm saying if you wanted to get

1694
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,560
from

1695
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,800
the area

1696
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,760
across Clarendon over to this side.

1697
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:02,719
Okay.

1698
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:06,400
>> I I you know I don't have a a good

1699
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,400
knowledge of the the allowance for

1700
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,320
crossing clarity.

1701
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,719
We really haven't discussed that. But

1702
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:15,760
you can tell that declaration drive over

1703
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,320
those.

1704
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,320
>> Yeah. I think

1705
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,600
>> this intersection was here 278

1706
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:24,639
>> right

1707
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:27,360
>> way too high too much traffic. I mean

1708
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,000
there are lots of constraints around

1709
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:36,870
that that intersection did not

1710
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,800
» so we'll we'll have those discussions

1711
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,280
and talk about declaring the cross if

1712
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,280
that's even

1713
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,560
possible. So you may it it could be that

1714
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:50,480
you are limited to staying on the west

1715
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:54,000
side of Clarendon u in the downtown of

1716
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,280
course unless you own a home on the east

1717
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,280
side of Clarendon and you're not

1718
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,679
crossing over Clarendon.

1719
01:28:01,679 --> 01:28:04,320
>> Yeah, that that was kind of my like the

1720
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,440
residents that I live I mean

1721
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,080
>> just some I just it crossed my mind

1722
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:11,360
>> pocket over here.

1723
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,679
>> Yeah. And and then the people that live

1724
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:17,679
over by the like that are in Ael tracks.

1725
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:20,080
>> Yeah. Where the town homes are

1726
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,719
>> town homes. And then isn't there another

1727
01:28:22,719 --> 01:28:26,080
part of Aenddale that like

1728
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,400
where the the elementary school

1729
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,080
>> that's actually well AES right down

1730
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,040
there

1731
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,960
>> or are you talking about the

1732
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,199
>> DSA elementary school? Is that part of a

1733
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:38,080
city? That is not

1734
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:39,679
>> That is not but there are there is a

1735
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:42,000
pocket of homes back there the Windsor

1736
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:42,560
area.

1737
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:43,040
>> Okay.

1738
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:43,520
>> Yeah.

1739
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,000
>> I just want to make sure B if we're

1740
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,480
looking down the road maybe providing

1741
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:52,239
access. Currently, we do not have

1742
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:55,040
any provision

1743
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,239
unless it's otherwise already legal for

1744
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:00,880
persons who live

1745
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:05,199
uh on the north side of 278 east of

1746
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:08,480
Clarendon to cross Clarendon over into

1747
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:10,480
the west side

1748
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:15,040
uh of the downtown. Okay.

1749
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,480
All right. So, uh, again, first read

1750
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:22,310
will be at the

1751
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:23,760
» what's the what's the date?

1752
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,199
>> September 9th.

1753
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:31,910
>> At the September 9th meeting.

1754
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:36,480
Good. All right. Next item. Uh, item

1755
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,000
number four. review an easement

1756
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,480
agreement with Maple 278 Ventures for

1757
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:42,800
temporary construction staging and

1758
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,280
landscaping in the alley at 102 Olive

1759
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,000
Street.

1760
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,440
>> Yes. So, as we've encountered in the

1761
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:54,400
past, uh there is a series of alleys

1762
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,920
um that exist in the downtown. Some of

1763
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:01,440
those are actually private, some of

1764
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:06,400
those are publicly owned. Uh the Aba

1765
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:10,159
Hedgewood team has identified a small

1766
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:12,560
portion of the alley

1767
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,679
uh that was immediately to the north of

1768
01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:18,239
one of the properties they purchased uh

1769
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:20,560
which we refer to as the Roric property.

1770
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:24,159
It's that vacant corner property uh as

1771
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:27,600
an alley that uh they would like to be

1772
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:32,560
able to use for two purposes. Uh one is

1773
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,280
uh during their construction to be able

1774
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,760
to use that alleyway to transport

1775
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:43,440
materials and then the other uh is to

1776
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:46,000
once they have completed construction to

1777
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,440
be able to nicely landscape that

1778
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:53,199
alleyway in order to um create an an

1779
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:59,679
inviting uh area. Um, now, uh, that

1780
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:04,159
alleyway is really small. Um,

1781
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:06,800
if y'all are familiar with that lot.

1782
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:07,600
>> Where is it?

1783
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,840
>> So, that lot is on the corner of Olive

1784
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:11,520
in 278.

1785
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,080
>> So, it's on the west corner of Olive.

1786
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,400
Uh, it was a just kind of a tiny

1787
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:17,360
property.

1788
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:18,960
>> Is it next to um

1789
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,360
>> We have a canal in the pack.

1790
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:22,159
>> Oh,

1791
01:31:22,159 --> 01:31:23,600
>> yeah.

1792
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,120
It was in

1793
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,199
>> which

1794
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:28,960
work

1795
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:42,790
>> number

1796
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,629
right next to

1797
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:48,239
» you little cottages down there.

1798
01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:49,840
>> That's what I was

1799
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,800
>> right. It's It's immediately south of

1800
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,440
the building known as 120 Olive that

1801
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:56,719
houses Little Cottage.

1802
01:31:56,719 --> 01:32:03,270
>> Okay.

1803
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,440
» There's an alley there.

1804
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:08,400
>> They're not developed alleys. Uh they

1805
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:13,120
are just identified as alleys. And um uh

1806
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:16,560
again um we we check these on a

1807
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,679
case-byase basis as development concerns

1808
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:22,159
arise because what we found is there's

1809
01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:24,560
no real consistency of ownership. Some

1810
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,719
of those alleyways go with the deed to

1811
01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:28,560
the private property. Some of those

1812
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,480
alleyways are excluded from the deed and

1813
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:32,000
are public.

1814
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,560
>> On in this case have

1815
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,280
the people that own that building been

1816
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,840
told about it? They don't have any

1817
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:41,280
ownership of that.

1818
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:42,960
>> I know they don't, but I mean, as far as

1819
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,040
that it will be used that way, just, you

1820
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,120
know, informing them of

1821
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,040
>> I I don't I don't know the answer to

1822
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,840
that question.

1823
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,480
I mean, I I doubt they would care given

1824
01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:58,080
the fact that uh if the whole entire

1825
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:02,960
property was utilized as a um uh for

1826
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,440
construction easement on 278. If y'all

1827
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:08,480
recall, we had some some lay down of

1828
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:12,080
that property. Uh I don't think it

1829
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:18,629
affects their ingress and egress

1830
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:20,960
and the alley exists on the Avalon

1831
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,199
property. It's just a public portion of

1832
01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:26,320
that property. So the adjacent neighbor

1833
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,560
doesn't have any

1834
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,480
right.

1835
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:32,239
>> I understand. I was just talking about,

1836
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:33,920
you know, them being aware that it's

1837
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:38,550
going to happen.

1838
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,790
» Um,

1839
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:44,960
» so

1840
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,440
any other questions or so this be

1841
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:49,199
something we vote on September 9th,

1842
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:51,920
>> correct?

1843
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,040
>> Am I okay with that?

1844
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,760
>> Okay. Item number five, presentation by

1845
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,080
Chief Hess. But like to start over here

1846
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:01,840
with Mr. managers.

1847
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:04,639
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, um we're

1848
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:07,840
making this presentation to the board

1849
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:12,480
tonight uh mostly because of increased

1850
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:16,320
discussion about uh flock safety company

1851
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,639
uh not only locally but at the national

1852
01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:23,199
level. Uh and I think we've all we've

1853
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:25,679
all had internal conversations about our

1854
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:28,400
use of flock safety equipment.

1855
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,440
um and realize there are very valid

1856
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:36,159
concerns about uh potential abuse of the

1857
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:39,360
system that uh you know not only our

1858
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,760
residents have but persons throughout

1859
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:47,840
the country. Um and uh not only that but

1860
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:52,719
um you know as most large topics of

1861
01:34:52,719 --> 01:34:54,960
discussion

1862
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,000
uh result in there is you know some

1863
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,400
misinformation we've identified in in

1864
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,360
discussions that perhaps we could speak

1865
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,000
to to to clarify

1866
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,320
um what type of equipment we have and

1867
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:15,920
what we use it for. Um, I realize that may not matter to some folks. Um,

1868
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,719
and again, I I I

1869
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:22,800
uh very much empathize with the the

1870
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,120
concern about flock safety and the

1871
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,239
products that they provide. I think we

1872
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:33,280
are very aware of um, you know, some of

1873
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:34,800
the

1874
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:39,840
very real pitfalls of the system. Um but

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01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:44,560
uh for the purposes of um you know

1876
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,040
encouraging further discussion and

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01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,760
inviting our residents to participate in

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01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,320
that discussion, we felt it appropriate

1879
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:56,320
at this time to go ahead and have a

1880
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:59,520
chief hes make a presentation about uh

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01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,920
ADAL state's flock safety program so

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01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,840
that we can um you know help move that

1883
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,639
discussion um in whatever way it

1884
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:12,400
evolves. So, um, without further ado,

1885
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,120
I'll hand it over to the Chief Hess and

1886
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,199
he can walk us through the Aenddale

1887
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:19,120
Estates's block safety approach.

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01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,360
>> All right. So, good evening. Um, like to

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01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,440
reiterate what Patrick said is, you

1890
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:25,760
know, [clears throat] I've heard

1891
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,320
residents, I've heard concerns, and

1892
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:30,480
hopefully, you know, I can't control how

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01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:33,360
you feel, but I think education plays a

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01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:37,600
big factor. Um and you know so basically

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01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,440
what we're going to do is go over basic

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01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:42,159
background of flock safety corporation

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01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:44,719
the technology and the policies that I

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01:36:44,719 --> 01:36:46,639
have adopted for the Aenddale state's

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01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:48,480
police department. Please keep in mind

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01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:50,400
that when I'm speaking about policies

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01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,960
and how we use the system I am only

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01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,520
speaking about how Aenddale's police

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01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,560
department utilizes this system and how

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01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,960
it benefits our city. I cannot speak to

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01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,119
other agencies. I cannot speak to other

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01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:05,360
administrators or their policies in any

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01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,679
way, shape, or form. And law enforcement

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01:37:07,679 --> 01:37:09,920
policies are not cookie cutter by any

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01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,719
means whatsoever. Um, and I've got

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01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:14,880
experience with that. So hopefully uh I

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01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:18,000
can educate y'all a little bit and uh

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01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,159
answer some questions. See if this

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01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:22,800
works. It does. All right. So, Block

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01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,280
Safety is a public safety technology uh

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01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:27,440
platform that helps a law enforcement

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01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:29,119
investigate crimes by providing

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01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:30,880
information captured on their devices

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01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,480
associated with incidents. Um,

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01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:37,280
moving forward, Flock offers, and if you

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01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:38,480
guys don't mind, I'm just going to refer

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01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:40,080
to as Flock instead of Flock Safety.

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01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,639
Moving forward, they offer um several

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01:37:42,639 --> 01:37:45,520
different options. And to clarify what

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01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,320
we use, uh the first is the license

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01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,480
plate readers are often referred to as

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01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:52,080
automated license plate readers or

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01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:56,400
ALPRs. We use this system. We also use

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01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:00,560
the software behind the ALPR system and

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01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:03,199
that is it. Do not use their mobile

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01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:05,760
security trailers. We do not use their

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01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,880
gunshot or gunshot detection software or

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01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,000
devices. We do not use their drones and

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01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,239
we do not use their pan, tilt, zoom, or

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01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:17,199
CCTV camera systems in any way, shape or

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01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:19,760
form. Uh we do not subscribe to any of

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01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,840
the extra software that would have to be

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01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:23,920
enabled to be able to use this system,

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01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,400
nor do we have any of their devices

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01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:32,709
other than the ALPR systems.

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01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:36,960
The plot falcon ALPR is the only device

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01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,520
that we use as I stated previously.

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01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,239
Basically, an ALPR camera captures f

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01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:44,320
photos of the rear of a vehicle, their

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01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,199
license plates, records the location,

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01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:51,520
date, time uh the photo was taken.

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01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,520
Vehicle license plate is listed as

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01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:55,119
stolen, linked to other criminal

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01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:58,000
activities. wanted or and wanted or

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01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:00,080
missing persons. An alert will be sent

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01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:05,119
out to ALPD a staff who are logged in

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01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:08,000
via the software via a desktop software

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01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:13,350
or a mobile application.

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01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,080
So, common concerns and questions that

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01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,040
are uh I've heard recently, you know,

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01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,280
what does ALPR detect? It detects

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01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:22,960
vehicles and license plates. Does not

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01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:24,480
detect people. It does not record

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01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:26,639
people. Uh, it's only vehicles and

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01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:29,280
license plates. What does it not detect?

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01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,520
Once again, people, gender, race, or fa

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01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,760
any type of facial recognition software

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01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:37,199
built into our system. How many ALPRs do

1963
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:39,440
we have? We currently have 10. And we

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01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:41,600
have 10 cameras in 10 separate

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01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,480
locations. We do not have any cameras

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01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:46,800
that are multiple cameras on at one

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01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,199
location. Just to clarify because I know

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01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:51,280
uh some people have asked me about that.

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01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,400
Um, our 10 cameras are in 10 different

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01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:57,360
locations spread out through the city.

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01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,760
The data retention is 30 days on a

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01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:02,560
rolling basis. What that means is that

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01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:04,159
it's not at the end of the month all the

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01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:07,679
data. So once 30-day hits on that date

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01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:10,000
and time, that data is permanently

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01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:11,840
erased, which I'll get kind of more into

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01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,400
here in a minute. Okay.

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Uh, federal sharing and safeguards flock

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01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:18,480
does not contract with federal agencies

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01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:21,440
such as ICE or DHS. And I'll go a little

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01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:23,600
bit more into data sharing in a few

1982
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,880
minutes too. Data resale flock does not

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01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,560
sell LPR data privately. [clears throat]

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01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,760
And uh the flock alpr systems are not

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01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:37,440
connected to DDS or DMV softwares.

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01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:39,440
They're all connected through portals

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01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:42,080
for GCIC and NCIC which is Georgia

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01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,080
Criminal Information Center as well as

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01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:45,840
the National Criminal Information

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01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:49,669
Center.

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01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:51,440
So, when we're talking about the data,

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01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:53,040
what kind of data is collected by the

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01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:56,239
ALPR? It's a license plate text. Oh,

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01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:58,400
sorry, I forgot the head. That's my

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01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:02,480
fault. Um, it's a license plate text.

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01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:04,800
It's the date and time the image was

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01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,280
captured or when the vehicle passed that

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01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:10,960
camera, hammer location uh that captured

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01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,159
the image and basic vehicle attributes

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01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:17,360
such as make, model, and color. That is

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01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:23,350
all Eclipse

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01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:26,560
um tracking a vehicle block does not

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01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:28,800
have the capabilities to physically

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01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,320
track a vehicle. Uh the A alpr system

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01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,080
does not track vehicle. It's a moment in

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01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,119
time at a specific location. So your

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01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:40,159
vehicle passes a fixed location. It

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01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:42,960
captures the image. It doesn't know if

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01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:44,400
you went up to the next street and turn

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01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,760
right, left. The only way we can see

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01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:51,280
that is it when you pass the next block

2012
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,520
camera. If you pass another block

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01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,000
camera, it cannot detect after that

2014
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:57,679
image. It does not detect if you turn

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01:41:57,679 --> 01:41:59,760
down the next street, went three streets

2016
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,639
forward or turn left or right. It only

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01:42:02,639 --> 01:42:06,000
is capturing, think about it as a moment

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01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:08,800
in time, like I stated, one location

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01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:12,880
with a date and a time. That is it.

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01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:16,080
Once you pass the camera, AED and Flock,

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01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,199
uh, have no idea what your route is. U,

2022
01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:21,280
I'm going to use this as an example. We

2023
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,320
had an incident earlier this week where,

2024
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:27,199
uh, after the crime occurred, the

2025
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:29,920
vehicle fled the location, did not pass

2026
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,719
a single one of our flock cameras,

2027
01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:35,040
did not hit a single flot camera

2028
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:37,440
throughout Ticap County.

2029
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:41,840
It only hit a camera in uh, 8 bill.

2030
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:44,960
And that's where we're able to kind of

2031
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:46,560
bring the case to a closure, so to

2032
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,440
speak. So to give you an example, from

2033
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:51,840
here to Hateville is approximately 15 20

2034
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,800
miles. Did not fast pass a single flat

2035
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,360
camera from Aenddale states until it hit

2036
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:03,750
a camera in the hate bill.

2037
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,080
So I know the news has been reporting on

2038
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,320
Senator John Albert's uh task force

2039
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,600
lately. Uh I want to bring that up. he's

2040
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:15,360
uh to increase a oversight with ALPRs.

2041
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,840
Um the partners, which I think is very

2042
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:20,880
important to be aware of, is the Georgia

2043
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,119
Sheriff's Association as well as the

2044
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:25,280
Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police,

2045
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:26,800
which I'm currently the third vice

2046
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,600
president of. Because of that, I will be

2047
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:32,800
heavily involved with the Senator

2048
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,840
Albert's task force moving forward. We

2049
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,639
actually have meetings scheduled

2050
01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:40,320
um and I will be attending those

2051
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:42,960
meetings. So the idea is to figure out

2052
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,199
what if any oversight needs to be

2053
01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:46,719
legislated

2054
01:43:46,719 --> 01:43:50,000
um best practices, sample policies for

2055
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,600
law enforcement agencies throughout the

2056
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,360
state. Those are just some of the things

2057
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,920
that we are specifically looking at and

2058
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:57,360
addressing some of the currents coming

2059
01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:59,840
from our legislators at the capital as

2060
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:02,239
well to uh specifically address those in

2061
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:04,480
the state of Georgia. So that will be

2062
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:08,719
more to come as time goes on.

2063
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:11,360
So again, I want to reiterate the policy

2064
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:12,560
for [clears throat] Aenddale State

2065
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,800
Police Department is only our policy. I

2066
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,639
cannot control or dictate other agency

2067
01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:19,199
policies in any way, shape or form. Uh

2068
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:22,320
pulling out of our ALPR policy. I just

2069
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:23,920
wanted to highlight some things. Uh

2070
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,159
considering operation is used for

2071
01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:29,520
official law enforcement business only.

2072
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:31,280
Officers must complete training on the

2073
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:34,080
system and pol and review the policy and

2074
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:35,679
training on the policy prior to being

2075
01:44:35,679 --> 01:44:38,159
issued any type of credentials

2076
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:42,000
to utilize the block ALBR system. Uh the

2077
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,840
data retention is specifically mentioned

2078
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:47,119
in our policy with a 30-day rolling

2079
01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:48,719
basis.

2080
01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:50,960
uh after 30 days. It's important to know

2081
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,159
that once it's deleted, it cannot be

2082
01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:56,480
recovered for any reason what whatsoever

2083
01:44:56,480 --> 01:45:00,080
by my by any of my staff, my agency,

2084
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,080
another agency, or the vendor

2085
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,480
themselves. It is completely hard wiped

2086
01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:06,719
from the system. So that 30 days

2087
01:45:06,719 --> 01:45:09,760
expires, if we get information on day 31

2088
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,840
that a vehicle may have hit one of our

2089
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:15,040
cameras and it's day 31, we can't even

2090
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:16,960
search. It's not going to give us any

2091
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:18,800
information on that regardless of what

2092
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:20,320
it's involved in. It could be a

2093
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,159
homicide. There's no way for me to pull

2094
01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:25,600
that stuff out. Uh accountability. I

2095
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,000
think this is uh very important and I

2096
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:29,679
want to highlight something. Uh Deputy

2097
01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:32,239
Chief Branch actually leads this on a

2098
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:35,280
weekly basis. We conduct audits of our

2099
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:36,960
officers and how they're using the

2100
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,280
system. And I want to get into the audit

2101
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:43,840
basis uh uh factors in a minute. Um, and

2102
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:47,040
also important to note that our they're

2103
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,199
single user login. They're specific to

2104
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:50,719
one user and they're

2105
01:45:50,719 --> 01:45:52,960
multi-authentification

2106
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:58,719
login. So, um, if an employee leaves on

2107
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:00,480
their last day, we take them out of the

2108
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:04,480
system. If if if loginins are appearing

2109
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:08,480
on the web, they maybe more than likely

2110
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:11,119
are not good login. can't confirm or

2111
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:14,239
deny that, but it's up to the agency and

2112
01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:16,719
the administrators to ensure that if an

2113
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:19,040
employee is no longer an employee, they

2114
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:20,800
should not have access to it. And we do

2115
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:22,800
that as employees leave. Luckily, we

2116
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:24,639
haven't had to deal with any employees

2117
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:28,239
legally. So,

2118
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:30,960
all right. So, we have adopted a three

2119
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:32,960
tier search access for the city of

2120
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:35,280
Aenddale States Police Department on

2121
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:38,159
tier one. Um,

2122
01:46:38,159 --> 01:46:41,280
I'm behind here again. I'm sorry. Tier

2123
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:44,000
one is absolutely no search access with

2124
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,760
the within the database. That includes

2125
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,239
our line level officers which account

2126
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:51,119
for six of our staff. Myself and deputy

2127
01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:53,040
chief branch do not have searchability

2128
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,840
factor. The reason why we do not is

2129
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:58,719
deputy chief branch and myself are over

2130
01:46:58,719 --> 01:47:01,199
the audits and for transparency reasons.

2131
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:03,360
How are we supposed to officially and

2132
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,520
truthfully audit ourselves if we have

2133
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,920
search bill?

2134
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,639
We don't need it at our level and we're

2135
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:12,159
conducting audits. So, we've removed

2136
01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:14,159
oursel from being able to search flock

2137
01:47:14,159 --> 01:47:18,000
for any reason. On tier two, it's in

2138
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,000
state of Georgia searches only. Those

2139
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,639
are assigned to our four patrol

2140
01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:24,960
sergeants that run a shift, our four

2141
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:28,159
shifts within the uh police department.

2142
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:30,159
And then tier three is a full search

2143
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:33,040
access which only our two detectives uh

2144
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,360
the sergeant inc as well as our one

2145
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:38,080
detective have full access to that which

2146
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:41,360
again they they're logged and audited on

2147
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:46,470
a weekly basis.

2148
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:48,560
So some additional state cards. I want

2149
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,239
to reiterate that our staff receives

2150
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:53,440
training on the system. uh they receive

2151
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:56,639
uh electronic training uh web training

2152
01:47:56,639 --> 01:47:58,400
as well as when they're in their field

2153
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:00,880
training program they are given uh real

2154
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:02,719
world training by their field training

2155
01:48:02,719 --> 01:48:05,119
officers and they're also trained on the

2156
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:07,440
policies. Additionally, the policies are

2157
01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:09,760
electronically acknowledged and logged

2158
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:12,239
for accountability. So the officer says

2159
01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:13,760
they've read the policy, they understand

2160
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:15,280
the policy, they can't come back and

2161
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:17,199
say, "I didn't know I couldn't do that."

2162
01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:21,040
Um, so that's another level of safeguard

2163
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:22,960
when conducting searches within the

2164
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,280
system. Any of our staff that has search

2165
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:28,159
capabilities are required to put in the

2166
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:31,119
case or CAD number. A CAD number is

2167
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:34,480
generated by Dicap County E911. You call

2168
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:37,119
911, they're dispatching a call. It's

2169
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:39,119
given a CAD number. Not every call

2170
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:41,360
generates a report.

2171
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:44,880
So sometimes a CAD number can be used um

2172
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:47,360
instead of a case number, the criminal

2173
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:49,840
offense being investigated. It also logs

2174
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,520
the date, the time, the officer's name,

2175
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,360
what type of device they were on, and

2176
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,280
that all pulls up in our audit logs as

2177
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,199
we do those weekly audits as well.

2178
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:01,040
>> And they can't search anything about

2179
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:02,000
case I

2180
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:03,600
>> Yeah, they have to have a case or a cat

2181
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,080
number. Let me Some people may ask why

2182
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,480
would we search without a case number?

2183
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:13,440
Uh prime example um is uh Dicab County.

2184
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:16,639
Just an example, DIC County PD puts out

2185
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:19,760
a be on the lookout on a stolen vehicle

2186
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,480
that was last seen in the area memorial

2187
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:24,880
and coming to the highway. Okay. Because

2188
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,600
of the proximity, the officer may want

2189
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:29,199
to search and make sure that that didn't

2190
01:49:29,199 --> 01:49:31,679
they didn't get a delayed hit or maybe

2191
01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:34,000
ensure that it's not coming in the city.

2192
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,320
They can put the CAD number which then

2193
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,239
deputy chief because we didn't generate

2194
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:40,480
a case or case report. They can put the

2195
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:41,360
CAD number in

2196
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,840
>> that they get from the cab county

2197
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:45,440
because it's the cab county call that

2198
01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:48,800
we're assisting on. Um similarly a

2199
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,679
missing person vehicle be broadcast. A

2200
01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:53,520
lot of times an Amber alert or a

2201
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:55,040
Mattiey's call gets put out. There's a

2202
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:56,800
vehicle associated with it. Our officers

2203
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:01,679
may log in, put a reference and search

2204
01:50:01,679 --> 01:50:03,840
and see where if it's been hidden up in

2205
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:05,679
our area, if they have reason to do

2206
01:50:05,679 --> 01:50:09,669
that,

2207
01:50:09,679 --> 01:50:12,400
kind of dig into the audit process and

2208
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:14,639
what we look at. We look at the

2209
01:50:14,639 --> 01:50:16,800
frequency a staff an individual staff

2210
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:19,840
member runs number. Additionally, we

2211
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,080
look at the frequency a tag number is

2212
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:25,199
run by all staff. That may be a red flag

2213
01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:26,320
also.

2214
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:29,040
Ensure vehicle that is associated with

2215
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:31,199
to we also ensure the vehicle associated

2216
01:50:31,199 --> 01:50:33,360
with the case or pad number that we are

2217
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:35,920
conducting the audit on. Ensure the

2218
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:37,440
criminal offense is being investigated

2219
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:39,600
is logged and confirm the vehicle is

2220
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:43,679
linked to the case or pad. Um, we have

2221
01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:45,440
seen

2222
01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:48,960
we have had to dig into some um things

2223
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:51,520
that kind of raised our spidey senses,

2224
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:55,840
but they were directly correlated to

2225
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:59,760
uh a report, a case, a CAD number, which

2226
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:02,080
was completely justified by

2227
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,119
investigation. One example is that was

2228
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:07,600
uh one of our tags off of one of our

2229
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:09,760
Mark patrol cars was stolen two months

2230
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:13,920
ago. Well, that tag number showed

2231
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,600
multiple entries by multiple officers

2232
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:19,520
over multiple days because what they

2233
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:21,600
were doing was when they would come into

2234
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:23,199
shift, they would log in because we want

2235
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:25,760
to try to find where how and why the

2236
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:28,320
government tag was stolen. Can't tell

2237
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:31,199
you why. Doesn't make sense. But every

2238
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:34,080
that audit came up as a red flag for us

2239
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:35,520
because we were seeing the government

2240
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,920
tag being run by multiple staff members

2241
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:39,920
multiple times by each member because

2242
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:41,360
what they were doing was they were

2243
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:42,880
logging in and they were running that

2244
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:44,719
tag when they started their shift to see

2245
01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:46,480
if it popped up on any of the flock

2246
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:48,560
cameras in our area to make sure it

2247
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,080
wasn't being used on a fraudulent

2248
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:56,390
vehicle or anything like that.

2249
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:58,320
» Let's see.

2250
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,040
So, an alert, I mentioned alerts earlier

2251
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:06,400
where if a tag, whatever it may be, um

2252
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,000
actually alerts one of our staff

2253
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,159
members. I want to stress the importance

2254
01:52:10,159 --> 01:52:14,000
of this because this is also um

2255
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,000
it may cover some of the concerns of

2256
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,719
officers taking action that the

2257
01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:21,840
information was wrong. Um our staff the

2258
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,000
information sets an officer being alert

2259
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:25,440
includes a photo of the rear of the

2260
01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:27,920
vehicle, license plate, the location,

2261
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,679
date and time stamps. An alert tone,

2262
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:35,840
this is important. Alert alone is not

2263
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,880
reasonable suspicion to stop a vehicle.

2264
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:40,880
We have to take that alert one couple

2265
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:42,960
steps further. Our officers must

2266
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,840
visually verify the plate and the

2267
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:49,199
vehicle from the alert is correct. Um, I

2268
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:51,599
think someone may have brought it up

2269
01:52:51,599 --> 01:52:55,280
earlier. Um, uh, an eight may come up as

2270
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:57,599
a B in flock.

2271
01:52:57,599 --> 01:52:59,679
Well, that that means that that stolen

2272
01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:02,960
vehicle is not that tag. They have to

2273
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:08,719
visually verify that tag, confirm that tag matches the alert. In addition

2274
01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:11,280
to that, the officers must verify the

2275
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:15,040
hit via their incar computer andor cab

2276
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,840
county dispatch. So what that means is

2277
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:19,440
stolen license plate coming through our

2278
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:21,440
city. ABC123

2279
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:23,040
alert

2280
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:26,080
officer deputy chief branch gets behind

2281
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:27,840
it. He can't just turn on his blue

2282
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:30,960
lights. He's going to get on his radio

2283
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:34,000
county e 911 and tell him run this tag.

2284
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:35,840
I'm getting a flock alert for a stolen

2285
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:38,000
vehicle ABC123.

2286
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:39,679
Give it a minute or two. Decap county

2287
01:53:39,679 --> 01:53:41,599
police is going to come back and say

2288
01:53:41,599 --> 01:53:43,520
that is confirmed. It is a stolen

2289
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,679
vehicle. Now we have articulable

2290
01:53:45,679 --> 01:53:48,239
reasonable probable cause to conduct a

2291
01:53:48,239 --> 01:53:50,800
traffic stop on that vehicle or which

2292
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,840
has happened negative that vehicle is

2293
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:57,360
not stolen. Guess what? We don't do

2294
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:01,520
anything. So there multi levels that we

2295
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:03,840
require our officers and our staff to do

2296
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:06,719
before taking actions. The alert alone

2297
01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:10,000
is not enough reason to take law

2298
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,560
enforcement action. We need to visually

2299
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:15,040
verify, confirm the alert as being

2300
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,199
active and valid. And that's the most

2301
01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:18,800
important thing because a stolen vehicle

2302
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:21,040
may have been recovered and for whatever

2303
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,360
reason it hasn't hit updated in the

2304
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,760
flock system. So we want real-time

2305
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:31,350
information to confirm everything.

2306
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:33,440
Moving on to some of the data concerns.

2307
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:35,520
Freedom of information act captured

2308
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:37,199
license plate data by law enforcement

2309
01:54:37,199 --> 01:54:39,520
agencies shall not be subject to public

2310
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:43,520
disclosure. That's in Georgia law 35122

2311
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:48,639
subsection F. That 35122 addresses all

2312
01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:52,080
license plate data, ALPRS, LPR data for

2313
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:54,400
Georgia law. Captured license plate data

2314
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:56,080
means global positioning, device

2315
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:58,080
coordinates, date, time, photograph,

2316
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:01,440
license plate number, any other data

2317
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,760
captured or derived from the automatic

2318
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,880
license recognition system or any way or

2319
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:09,840
any other source. That's 35122

2320
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,960
subsection A2. That's important to know

2321
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:15,040
because basically that says anything

2322
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:16,560
coming out of the flock system is not

2323
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:19,280
subject to open records.

2324
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:21,440
>> We do not release ALPR data under

2325
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:23,520
Freedom of Information Act or Open

2326
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:26,560
Records Act. So we we don't whatever

2327
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:29,679
that flock system is capturing. We get a

2328
01:55:29,679 --> 01:55:31,280
request for that. We will not release it

2329
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:33,280
to the public in any way, shape or form.

2330
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,040
nor would we release it to an agency

2331
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:36,960
that is not a subscriber to Flock for

2332
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:39,679
any reason. But what that means is that

2333
01:55:39,679 --> 01:55:41,599
jump back to what I was saying that PL

2334
01:55:41,599 --> 01:55:44,400
does not contract with federal agencies.

2335
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:49,750
Okay,

2336
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:51,760
getting a little bit deeper in the data.

2337
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:54,080
Uh once again, I really think I I want

2338
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:55,599
to hammer this home that the data is

2339
01:55:55,599 --> 01:55:57,360
only retained for 30 days on a rolling

2340
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:59,119
basis. Once it's gone, it's gone. It's

2341
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:02,400
gone forever. After 30 days, no one can

2342
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,480
retrieve it to include my agency, my

2343
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:07,280
staff, block, or any other agency that

2344
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:10,080
may have access to the debt.

2345
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,320
This information can be accessed by law

2346
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,320
enforcement for law enforcement. I put

2347
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:16,639
parentheses investigative purp purposes

2348
01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:19,840
only. That is what's getting officers in

2349
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:26,629
trouble, not law enforcement purposes.

2350
01:56:26,639 --> 01:56:30,400
agency sharing. I will admit we Sorry.

2351
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:31,280
Go ahead. Go ahead.

2352
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:32,960
>> Um, you have to put a case number in.

2353
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:34,960
Yes. So, if you don't put a case number

2354
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:35,280
in,

2355
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:37,599
>> it won't even let you search.

2356
01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:39,199
>> Okay.

2357
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:41,679
>> We've added that within our system in

2358
01:56:41,679 --> 01:56:44,320
the search parameters, we require it.

2359
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:46,639
So, thus, you have to put something up.

2360
01:56:46,639 --> 01:56:48,880
So, even if one of my staff wanted to

2361
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:51,280
say, I'll just put make up a case number

2362
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:52,719
or whatever, that's going to be a red

2363
01:56:52,719 --> 01:56:55,040
flag in RV. This is not going to

2364
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:57,440
correlate with anything we have.

2365
01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:01,599
>> But do you have um a so the cab when

2366
01:57:01,599 --> 01:57:02,960
they send their alert they would send

2367
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:05,920
you their case number or CAD number?

2368
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:10,560
>> We Yeah, we would do the CAD number. If the CAB was passing along information

2369
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:11,760
that someone was seen in our

2370
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:12,800
jurisdiction, headed to our

2371
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:14,480
jurisdiction, maybe have reason to

2372
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:17,280
believe that an endangered person or

2373
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:19,040
Mattiey's or Amber call was coming

2374
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:20,960
towards our jurisdiction. Obviously, if

2375
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:22,960
we have that CAD number, we want to stay

2376
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:25,920
on top of it and see where it is, if

2377
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:27,679
it's hitting on any camera. And going

2378
01:57:27,679 --> 01:57:29,520
back to that previous example, you can

2379
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:31,760
get from Aenddale to Hayville, not hit a

2380
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,880
single flock camera. Um, but yeah, they

2381
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:39,270
would have to enter something.

2382
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:41,920
the agency sharing uh within the flock

2383
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:43,840
system. Law enforcement agencies that

2384
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,320
are contracted under flock can request

2385
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:48,400
and grant access to other agencies to

2386
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:51,119
share our data. And by data, what I mean

2387
01:57:51,119 --> 01:57:53,360
is the searchability of a vehicle,

2388
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:55,840
location, a time, and a date. Um all

2389
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:57,760
requests have to be approved by myself

2390
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:00,880
and solid. So, uh we do share it with

2391
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:02,880
local agencies. We do share it with

2392
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:05,280
agencies throughout the US, but there's

2393
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:07,760
reason for it and

2394
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:12,790
it it's successful. It really is.

2395
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:16,880
» So you actually give them a access to

2396
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:18,800
search our data

2397
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,920
>> within reason. I have capabilities to

2398
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:24,320
restrict

2399
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:26,560
hot list. I can have capabilities to do

2400
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:28,960
search only. I have capabilities.

2401
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:30,960
Generally agencies when we share our

2402
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:34,560
data it is searchability only um and

2403
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:38,080
that's because again we got the hit from

2404
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:39,840
hateville we share our system with

2405
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:41,760
hateful PD going back to the incident

2406
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:44,159
from earlier this week shared

2407
01:58:44,159 --> 01:58:47,199
reciprocates that shares it with us um

2408
01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:50,080
and we were able to get that tag is it

2409
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:53,040
turned off or terminated

2410
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,520
so they always have access until I go in

2411
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:59,990
and physically remove

2412
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:01,040
Do you

2413
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:01,599
>> do I

2414
01:59:01,599 --> 01:59:04,000
>> physically remove after you?

2415
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:06,000
>> No, I have not had a case where I needed

2416
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:09,280
to I felt like it needed to be removed

2417
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:12,000
and and and going back to and we'll get

2418
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:13,920
into some success stories here in just a

2419
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:15,760
second. Um

2420
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:18,800
the the sharing is reciprocated

2421
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:24,080
and I can only control my staff. Um,

2422
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:26,480
I understand some of the concerns that

2423
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:30,960
come along with that. Um, but you start

2424
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:33,840
cutting off partners because of one

2425
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:36,400
person. I I think it's more detrimental

2426
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:38,480
to the investigative tool that it

2427
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:41,440
actually has to offer to us, which has

2428
01:59:41,440 --> 01:59:45,760
paid huge dividends for our city. Um,

2429
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,840
and obviously being a smaller city, I've

2430
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:50,159
been able to get more involved in this,

2431
01:59:50,159 --> 01:59:52,080
and that's what I want to be is more

2432
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:54,239
involved with with our policy decisions

2433
01:59:54,239 --> 01:59:55,760
and how we're operating and everything

2434
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:59,199
else. Um, you know, if a circumstance

2435
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:01,760
did arise, obviously, I would consider

2436
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:03,920
it. I would take action if I felt like

2437
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:06,639
it needed to be. Uh, currently, I just

2438
02:00:06,639 --> 02:00:08,159
kind of [clears throat]

2439
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:10,000
>> So, would you get grant that access to

2440
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:13,199
one user or the whole agency? It's the

2441
02:00:13,199 --> 02:00:15,599
agency and then the agency then has the

2442
02:00:15,599 --> 02:00:17,920
ability to restrict

2443
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:21,760
what their staff or who similar to my

2444
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:23,440
tier three tiers.

2445
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:25,840
>> So we can share it but my line level

2446
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:28,080
officers and deputy chief branch and I

2447
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:30,960
cannot search

2448
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,199
Georgia. We cannot search anywhere. We

2449
02:00:33,199 --> 02:00:36,400
can't even search our own campus. Um, so

2450
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:39,679
in a lot of agencies, I I have a feeling

2451
02:00:39,679 --> 02:00:43,040
the discussion within law enforcement is

2452
02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:45,520
looking at the restriction, who has the

2453
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:47,280
rights to search and what do those

2454
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:50,159
rights look like? And and you know, we I

2455
02:00:50,159 --> 02:00:52,320
feel like we kind of got ahead of the

2456
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:54,639
curve and teared it off into that. And I

2457
02:00:54,639 --> 02:00:56,800
think I had the reason to do it and it

2458
02:00:56,800 --> 02:01:01,350
makes sense for us.

2459
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:03,040
» Let's see where we at. All right. So,

2460
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:05,440
the contract with plot uh signed January

2461
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:06,960
2024,

2462
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:09,119
multi-year contract to provide 10 of the

2463
02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:11,599
Falcons automated license plate readers.

2464
02:01:11,599 --> 02:01:14,320
Uh the cameras were placed along Highway

2465
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:17,520
278 within the residential area and

2466
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:20,639
along surface streets. Um basically the

2467
02:01:20,639 --> 02:01:23,840
idea was to

2468
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:26,639
strategically place them where I can get

2469
02:01:26,639 --> 02:01:29,679
see who's coming into the city. My

2470
02:01:29,679 --> 02:01:33,280
concern are the criminal activities, the

2471
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:35,440
individuals that are, you know, that we

2472
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:37,280
would get alert from naturally that the

2473
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:39,920
vehicle is associated with a crime

2474
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:43,360
already stolen wanted individuals coming

2475
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:46,000
into the city that obviously I want to

2476
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:48,639
protect our citizens. That's the whole

2477
02:01:48,639 --> 02:01:50,880
idea. So, most of the cameras are coming

2478
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:54,639
into the city along uh 278 with I

2479
02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:56,639
believe it was two of the residential

2480
02:01:56,639 --> 02:01:58,960
areas and one on the uh north side of

2481
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:03,430
278.

2482
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:07,280
Last but not the least, um

2483
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:09,199
not trying to sell anyone on anything,

2484
02:02:09,199 --> 02:02:12,080
but I think it's very important to hit

2485
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:14,320
where these were

2486
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:17,599
the the cameras provided us resources

2487
02:02:17,599 --> 02:02:21,199
that we were able to close some cases

2488
02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:23,920
that if we didn't have it, there's no

2489
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:25,520
those cases would be sitting in limbo

2490
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:28,880
right now. Victims would be not have

2491
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:32,719
closure or anything else. Uh to me the

2492
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:36,320
big two in two things are the first two

2493
02:02:36,320 --> 02:02:39,119
we had two um residents of Aendale

2494
02:02:39,119 --> 02:02:41,119
states with diminished uh mental

2495
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:43,760
capacity were reported missing on two

2496
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:46,639
separate incidents two separate people

2497
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:48,880
um one was located in Dawsonville

2498
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:51,599
Georgia because of flock uh we share our

2499
02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:53,360
cameras with Dawsonville as soon as the

2500
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:56,080
person was met reported missing use

2501
02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:58,000
block search for that tag and that

2502
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:00,239
vehicle they were last seen in it was it

2503
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:04,239
all up 75 into Dawsonville. Dawsonville,

2504
02:03:04,239 --> 02:03:05,679
uh we were able to locate with the

2505
02:03:05,679 --> 02:03:07,199
sheriff's department and return that

2506
02:03:07,199 --> 02:03:10,480
resident's home safely. Uh one that was

2507
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:12,719
a little bit more recent, uh an

2508
02:03:12,719 --> 02:03:15,520
individual had been not seen for about a

2509
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:19,760
week or two. A resident called in. Um

2510
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:22,159
the vehicle was located in a small town

2511
02:03:22,159 --> 02:03:24,639
in North Carolina. Additionally, the

2512
02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:26,159
resident was found wandering in the

2513
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:29,280
woods on the brink of hyperotherm

2514
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:32,080
block. You know, I'm not saying I'm not

2515
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:33,440
gonna say the what if game because

2516
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:34,880
there's no way to predict the future,

2517
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,760
but that one really hit home because we

2518
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:40,000
located the vehicle. The deputies set

2519
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:42,159
out a search area up in North Carolina

2520
02:03:42,159 --> 02:03:44,239
and found this individual wandering in

2521
02:03:44,239 --> 02:03:46,400
the woods. What would have happened if

2522
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:49,840
12, 24, 48 hours would have passed? You

2523
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:52,960
just don't know. Um we had a robbery

2524
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:54,800
where all we had was a color make a

2525
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:56,560
model of a vehicle. We were able to

2526
02:03:56,560 --> 02:04:00,080
locate that vehicle uh in East Point and

2527
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:01,840
additionally that we were able to

2528
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:03,679
identify the suspects make an arrest and

2529
02:04:03,679 --> 02:04:05,119
those suspects were tied to additional

2530
02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:07,119
robberies in East Point, Atlanta and

2531
02:04:07,119 --> 02:04:08,880
South

2532
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:11,599
entering auto suspects um and attempted

2533
02:04:11,599 --> 02:04:13,840
entering auto suspects. These are u

2534
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,320
numerous for us where if we get only

2535
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:18,320
have a description of a vehicle or a

2536
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:19,840
neighbor's ring camera that doesn't

2537
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,960
capture the tag but gets me a yellow

2538
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:25,040
Chevy Camaro. [clears throat] Plug that

2539
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:27,280
in there, start doing our searches. This

2540
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:30,000
is detectives doing these searches. Sure

2541
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:33,280
enough, that vehicle hit. Uh recently we

2542
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:34,960
were able to identify a vehicle within

2543
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,199
24 hours with assistance with the cab

2544
02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:40,320
over on Colombia. stop the vehicle,

2545
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:42,719
arrest the suspect, and decapitate them

2546
02:04:42,719 --> 02:04:45,360
to almost 50 or 60 additional entering

2547
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:47,119
autos the night they hit two of our

2548
02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:49,840
residents. So, reoccurring criminal

2549
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:52,000
activity and then theft damage to

2550
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:53,760
property where the ring camera of the

2551
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,440
resident,

2552
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:57,440
you know, captured the vehicle again,

2553
02:04:57,440 --> 02:04:59,440
make model, were able to track them

2554
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:01,599
down, affect an arrest in a short amount

2555
02:05:01,599 --> 02:05:02,880
of time to where that individual

2556
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:05,360
couldn't come back and or the victim had

2557
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:07,440
closure, so on so forth. These are just

2558
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:09,920
a few. Um,

2559
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:14,159
I could go on and on for hours with some

2560
02:05:14,159 --> 02:05:16,239
of the success stories that we've had

2561
02:05:16,239 --> 02:05:18,480
because of Flock. And these are success

2562
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:21,360
stories that it's not taken away from

2563
02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:22,560
the boots on the ground where the

2564
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:24,239
detectives doing the investigative work.

2565
02:05:24,239 --> 02:05:25,679
They're still using the doing the

2566
02:05:25,679 --> 02:05:27,920
investigative work. still have to go in

2567
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:30,960
front of a judge. But this is a tool

2568
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:32,960
that they're now using that we're able

2569
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:35,520
to link criminal activity across

2570
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:38,719
jurisdictional boundaries, solve cases

2571
02:05:38,719 --> 02:05:41,599
and fractions of times without this in

2572
02:05:41,599 --> 02:05:44,480
without this system could potentially

2573
02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:49,199
limbo for years with no workable leads.

2574
02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:52,950
But again,

2575
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:56,400
» um, okay. So, now that we've we've

2576
02:05:56,400 --> 02:05:58,239
learned about the program itself, I

2577
02:05:58,239 --> 02:06:00,159
wanted to talk about the contract just

2578
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:04,560
briefly. Uh, the way it worked was that

2579
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:06,159
um,

2580
02:06:06,159 --> 02:06:08,960
we entered into essentially a 4-year

2581
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:12,000
contract with Flock Safety with an opt

2582
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:15,679
out after two years, which we chose not

2583
02:06:15,679 --> 02:06:20,080
to do because of its success. Um,

2584
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:21,679
the way it works is you're essentially

2585
02:06:21,679 --> 02:06:25,599
leasing the equipment. So, we have 10

2586
02:06:25,599 --> 02:06:26,960
cameras. [clears throat]

2587
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:29,520
To lease each one of those cameras over

2588
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:31,920
a year's period is $3,000

2589
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:32,800
>> per camera.

2590
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:37,360
Correct. So, it's a $30,000

2591
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:42,800
um lease deal a year. U we our contract

2592
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:46,079
expires in 2028, the first quarter of

2593
02:06:46,079 --> 02:06:47,760
2028.

2594
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:53,040
Uh so that would be our opportunity to

2595
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:56,480
um either continue to lease the product

2596
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:59,040
and enter into a new contract or to

2597
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:02,639
remove the product without penalty.

2598
02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:07,760
Now I have noticed um just reading news

2599
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:10,800
stories from across the country uh that

2600
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:13,920
cities are terminating the contract

2601
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:17,599
during the contract period. Um, and some

2602
02:07:17,599 --> 02:07:20,239
of those cities are paying the remainder

2603
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:22,000
of the contract and some of those cities

2604
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:24,079
are arguing breach a contract in order

2605
02:07:24,079 --> 02:07:28,079
to not pay the remaining uh uh value of

2606
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:33,599
that contract. Um, I can't speak to

2607
02:07:33,599 --> 02:07:35,119
um

2608
02:07:35,119 --> 02:07:38,800
whether or not we would be potentially

2609
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:41,119
successful in

2610
02:07:41,119 --> 02:07:43,920
um removing ourselves from the financial

2611
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:45,599
burden if we were to terminate that

2612
02:07:45,599 --> 02:07:47,280
contract early.

2613
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:51,119
uh depends on you know

2614
02:07:51,119 --> 02:07:53,920
what that decision would look like what

2615
02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:56,480
we would what the discussions with flock

2616
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:59,199
itself would be whether we take legal

2617
02:07:59,199 --> 02:08:02,960
action or anything like that. Um so

2618
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:07,679
essentially uh we go ahead and pay for

2619
02:08:07,679 --> 02:08:09,280
that

2620
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:12,639
annual lease rate early in the year. So,

2621
02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:14,880
from a financial standpoint, we are

2622
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:17,199
currently 3/4s of the way done with the

2623
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:22,400
contract. Um, so, uh, let's just say you

2624
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:24,719
decided that you no longer want to be

2625
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:26,480
associated with Flock and you wanted to

2626
02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:28,159
terminate that contract effective

2627
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:30,800
immediately. If we weren't able to reach

2628
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:32,639
an agreement with Flock or take

2629
02:08:32,639 --> 02:08:35,760
successful legal action, we would owe

2630
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:37,920
$30,000

2631
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:39,679
um, to fulfill the terms of that

2632
02:08:39,679 --> 02:08:41,199
contract.

2633
02:08:41,199 --> 02:08:45,280
um plus lose the back third of the value

2634
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:49,599
that we've already spent for um

2635
02:08:49,599 --> 02:08:52,639
you know the contract to date this year.

2636
02:08:52,639 --> 02:08:55,599
Uh now we are we did not bring this to

2637
02:08:55,599 --> 02:08:58,880
you in order to necessarily engage in a

2638
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:01,599
discussion about whether or not to

2639
02:09:01,599 --> 02:09:03,440
continue the use of the block safety

2640
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:06,400
program. We didn't want to necessarily

2641
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:08,560
make that assumption. We just wanted to

2642
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:11,040
start the conversation by informing you

2643
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:14,159
and the general public how we use the

2644
02:09:14,159 --> 02:09:18,960
program. Uh and really to also make it

2645
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:22,079
very clear that we

2646
02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:25,199
very much understand the concerns of the

2647
02:09:25,199 --> 02:09:27,199
general public, any concerns you may

2648
02:09:27,199 --> 02:09:30,079
have and the potential pitfalls that are

2649
02:09:30,079 --> 02:09:32,800
associated with the product. Like Chief

2650
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:37,599
has said um there is no way currently

2651
02:09:37,599 --> 02:09:41,760
uh to address how another agency or the

2652
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:43,679
members of that agency would use the

2653
02:09:43,679 --> 02:09:45,920
product if we allowed them to access the

2654
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:48,000
product if they are a block subscribing

2655
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:53,119
agency. Um those are some of the things

2656
02:09:53,119 --> 02:09:57,040
that uh Chief Hess will be involved in

2657
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:58,800
discussing

2658
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:02,480
uh with Senator Alers and the potential

2659
02:10:02,480 --> 02:10:05,840
formation of this task force in order to

2660
02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:07,360
provide

2661
02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:09,920
um you know a regulatory framework that

2662
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:14,480
has you know teeth to it. Um we're not

2663
02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:17,040
there yet. I do believe there's a

2664
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:19,119
meeting tomorrow to begin that

2665
02:10:19,119 --> 02:10:22,320
discussion. Correct. Um

2666
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:25,199
so uh

2667
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:29,119
that's where we stand contractually.

2668
02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:31,040
Uh

2669
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:34,079
obviously I think you know if if a

2670
02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:38,639
regulatory framework existed to uh

2671
02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:43,760
remove the concerns that we in fact have

2672
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:47,440
about other abuse by other potential

2673
02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:49,840
agencies who subscribe. Uh that would

2674
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:53,679
allay a lot of our concerns. Um however

2675
02:10:53,679 --> 02:10:56,000
we're, you know, to to be candid, we're

2676
02:10:56,000 --> 02:11:00,960
not there yet. Um and you have seen uh

2677
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:05,119
localized abuse. I mean uh Chief S uh um

2678
02:11:05,119 --> 02:11:10,320
we we we discussed the you know the CAP

2679
02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:13,520
had had to place multiple officers on

2680
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:17,119
leave for unauthorized searches. Um you

2681
02:11:17,119 --> 02:11:18,960
know this happens in other

2682
02:11:18,960 --> 02:11:21,280
jurisdictions. Uh it hasn't happened

2683
02:11:21,280 --> 02:11:24,719
here. Uh, of course, the way we we try

2684
02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:27,199
and guard against that is with our

2685
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:30,320
weekly audit program. Uh, knowing that,

2686
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:36,000
you know, uh, if somebody were to violate,

2687
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:39,040
uh, the policy that we have in place and

2688
02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:41,520
that they have signed to adhere to that,

2689
02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:43,520
they would be subject to serious

2690
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:49,679
disciplinary action. Um so uh that is

2691
02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:52,079
the proactive approach we're taking. We

2692
02:11:52,079 --> 02:11:54,400
realize we can't ensure other agencies

2693
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:56,400
are taking that proactive approach.

2694
02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:58,159
That's why we are participating in

2695
02:11:58,159 --> 02:12:00,800
creating a regulatory framework to

2696
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:03,520
ensure that happens um at least across

2697
02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:08,000
the state of Georgia. Um but uh you know

2698
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:11,360
like uh a resident stated earlier this

2699
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:15,520
technology is still very new. Um, you

2700
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:18,400
know, our use of it is new. A lot of use

2701
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:21,199
by other cities, not only in Dicab

2702
02:12:21,199 --> 02:12:23,440
County, but the state of Georgia and

2703
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:26,960
nationwide are new. Um, so, you know, it

2704
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:30,400
we are unfortunately in a kind of learn

2705
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:32,880
as you go process from a legal

2706
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:35,280
standpoint about how we address some of

2707
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:39,119
these concerns. But um that being said

2708
02:12:39,119 --> 02:12:42,239
uh I think it is important for us to

2709
02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:44,800
continue having this discussion with the

2710
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:46,400
public, having this discussion amongst

2711
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:55,280
ourselves. um to weigh uh you know the pros versus the cons. uh to

2712
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:59,440
understand, you know, um

2713
02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:04,400
you know, what value we want to place on

2714
02:13:04,400 --> 02:13:07,280
uh being able to close cases and make

2715
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:10,400
arrests that we wouldn't otherwise be

2716
02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:12,159
able to with the use of the system

2717
02:13:12,159 --> 02:13:15,840
versus, you know, potential, you know,

2718
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:19,040
privacy value lost by uh residents who

2719
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:22,000
live here. So, I think that's the

2720
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:24,880
conversation. uh we're very much open to

2721
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:28,400
it and um you know want to be as

2722
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:34,639
transparent as humanly possible uh with our residents and you know visitors

2723
02:13:34,639 --> 02:13:37,040
to this city you know not not just our

2724
02:13:37,040 --> 02:13:40,079
residents are affected um it's anyone

2725
02:13:40,079 --> 02:13:41,840
who travels through here really it's

2726
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:43,599
anyone who travels through Dicap County

2727
02:13:43,599 --> 02:13:47,920
because um if you'll recall and I think

2728
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:50,320
uh Graham and Mike have just joined the

2729
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:54,239
council when we began considering this

2730
02:13:54,239 --> 02:13:59,280
um was that uh you know we at that time

2731
02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:01,280
we actually existed as a whole in the

2732
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:05,679
system where um you know other law

2733
02:14:05,679 --> 02:14:07,679
enforcement agencies around us already

2734
02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:10,320
had the system installed. We didn't. So

2735
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:11,599
there was kind of a loss of

2736
02:14:11,599 --> 02:14:14,400
investigative capability as vehicles

2737
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:18,639
entered and exited uh at states. So um

2738
02:14:18,639 --> 02:14:21,040
that's why we brought this to you all

2739
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:24,480
tonight. We want to, you know, make sure

2740
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:26,719
that the public understands that we get

2741
02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:29,119
where a lot of their concerns are coming

2742
02:14:29,119 --> 02:14:31,440
from. We want to be, we want to have an

2743
02:14:31,440 --> 02:14:36,560
open, honest discussion about it. Um,

2744
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:40,239
that's led us to this point.

2745
02:14:40,239 --> 02:14:43,520
>> Uh, you said it's 3K per camera. Do we

2746
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:46,239
have any software maintenance expense or

2747
02:14:46,239 --> 02:14:47,040
data storage?

2748
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:50,400
>> So, we had a no a contract. We had an

2749
02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:52,560
installation expense when we first

2750
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:54,400
contracted the equipment, but the

2751
02:14:54,400 --> 02:14:56,960
entirety of the program is built into

2752
02:14:56,960 --> 02:14:58,159
each camera.

2753
02:14:58,159 --> 02:15:02,480
>> So, $3,000 per camera includes the use

2754
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:05,679
of the software in order to,

2755
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:07,679
you know, execute searches for

2756
02:15:07,679 --> 02:15:08,079
>> okay,

2757
02:15:08,079 --> 02:15:08,800
>> the data.

2758
02:15:08,800 --> 02:15:11,199
>> Um, so am I understanding that this is

2759
02:15:11,199 --> 02:15:13,440
not video, this is like it's taking

2760
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:15,119
pictures.

2761
02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:18,320
>> They are snapshots in time. So, so, uh,

2762
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:21,199
like Chief Bev said, um, they are

2763
02:15:21,199 --> 02:15:24,400
location, date, and time specific and

2764
02:15:24,400 --> 02:15:28,719
stamped to that effect. Um, and, uh, the

2765
02:15:28,719 --> 02:15:31,040
cameras that we have, and of course they

2766
02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:33,280
block offers different products, but the

2767
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:36,400
cameras that we have takes pictures of

2768
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:39,280
the rear of vehicles only.

2769
02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:41,679
>> And we have a specific vendor that we

2770
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:42,880
work through or

2771
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:43,520
>> it's Flock.

2772
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:44,239
>> It is Flock.

2773
02:15:44,239 --> 02:15:46,079
>> Yeah. Flock. This is their product.

2774
02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:48,400
Okay. Um, just one last question. Sure.

2775
02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:51,040
Uh, how many agencies would you say have

2776
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:57,109
access to our system?

2777
02:15:57,119 --> 02:16:00,560
» I was just looking at it yesterday. Um,

2778
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:04,310
I think we're at

2779
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:06,719
most and I will let me just preface

2780
02:16:06,719 --> 02:16:10,320
this. Most of them are in the southeast.

2781
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:14,480
Um, mostly Georgia. I would say probably

2782
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:17,599
80 plus percent are shared access in

2783
02:16:17,599 --> 02:16:21,520
Georgia. We do have uh several in

2784
02:16:21,520 --> 02:16:25,599
Florida. Uh we do have Alabama, North,

2785
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:27,199
South Carolina, Tennessee, Southeast

2786
02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:30,719
mainly. Um I feel like the the ones that

2787
02:16:30,719 --> 02:16:34,399
are outliers, we had a case that kind of

2788
02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:37,280
went up to Maryland, so we added the

2789
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:39,760
states between Georgia and Maryland. Uh

2790
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:41,920
we had a case that went out to Arizona.

2791
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:44,160
So we started adding and reciprocating

2792
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:48,160
those out to Arizona. So you know I

2793
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:49,760
review every one of them. Matter of

2794
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:51,920
fact, I had three this morning and all

2795
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:53,760
three were from Georgia that just

2796
02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:56,399
actually came on board with Flock that

2797
02:16:56,399 --> 02:16:59,439
are fairly close like

2798
02:16:59,439 --> 02:17:01,200
>> the access is case specific though,

2799
02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:02,800
right? They don't have blanket access,

2800
02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:03,280
right?

2801
02:17:03,280 --> 02:17:05,040
>> No, they they would have to they would

2802
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:07,040
have to do the search data input to be

2803
02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:09,280
able to search our campus. And when you

2804
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:11,280
do that, you can do your cameras, you

2805
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:13,840
can do within 50 miles, you could do

2806
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:17,200
state of Georgia. So you, you know, when

2807
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:19,519
you're searching, we limit our searches

2808
02:17:19,519 --> 02:17:22,080
to what do we need? You know, we're not

2809
02:17:22,080 --> 02:17:24,800
going to search New York City just to

2810
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:29,120
search New York City. get out.

2811
02:17:29,120 --> 02:17:31,040
>> So, I'm a little confused on the you

2812
02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:32,639
have to have a case, but if somebody's

2813
02:17:32,639 --> 02:17:36,080
coming in from another, you know, place,

2814
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:38,399
they're not going to have a case number.

2815
02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:40,080
I mean, don't understand that.

2816
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:42,160
>> So, every agency can set their own

2817
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:45,280
parameters within Flock. and and I I

2818
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:47,439
don't want to misspeak so I may have to

2819
02:17:47,439 --> 02:17:50,160
follow up with you on that because I I

2820
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:53,439
will say Flock has been adding a lot of

2821
02:17:53,439 --> 02:17:56,719
the audit tools that we we used to do

2822
02:17:56,719 --> 02:17:59,120
audits by hand. Now they have an audit

2823
02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:01,280
tool in addition to us still doing

2824
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:04,479
audits by hand. Um and th those systems

2825
02:18:04,479 --> 02:18:07,040
they're bringing on audit system. So if

2826
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:08,639
you don't mind I can get you an answer

2827
02:18:08,639 --> 02:18:10,240
tomorrow. I just don't want to misspeak

2828
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:16,319
about what's required on all agencies.

2829
02:18:16,319 --> 02:18:19,280
>> Um, thank you, Chief H, for the

2830
02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:23,120
presentation and for all the

2831
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:27,519
work that you've done and safeguard

2832
02:18:27,519 --> 02:18:30,880
try to make our use of it responsible.

2833
02:18:30,880 --> 02:18:33,200
Um, I just have like a couple questions

2834
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:34,319
and you might not know the answer to

2835
02:18:34,319 --> 02:18:36,631
this one, but even if it's a even

2836
02:18:36,631 --> 02:18:37,840
[clears throat] if I know we only

2837
02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:39,439
subscribe to the, you know, moment in

2838
02:18:39,439 --> 02:18:41,599
time snapshot, but do the cameras that

2839
02:18:41,599 --> 02:18:44,719
we have, are they capable of taking

2840
02:18:44,719 --> 02:18:47,040
pictures of other things like people and

2841
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:49,120
things like that, even though we don't

2842
02:18:49,120 --> 02:18:50,559
have access to it because we don't pay

2843
02:18:50,559 --> 02:18:51,280
for it.

2844
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:52,960
>> The only thing that triggers that photo

2845
02:18:52,960 --> 02:18:54,000
is a view.

2846
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:54,479
>> Okay,

2847
02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:56,719
>> the cameras, and this is something I may

2848
02:18:56,719 --> 02:18:57,920
probably should have put in there. So,

2849
02:18:57,920 --> 02:18:59,920
the cameras are in the rightway of the

2850
02:18:59,920 --> 02:19:00,479
roadway.

2851
02:19:00,479 --> 02:19:01,120
>> Yep.

2852
02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:02,800
>> Way the cameras are angled, they're not

2853
02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:04,559
angled at the sidewalk. They're angled

2854
02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:06,800
into the roadway to be able to capture

2855
02:19:06,800 --> 02:19:11,840
that. Now, I will say that

2856
02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:14,960
>> you may get a a more down the road

2857
02:19:14,960 --> 02:19:17,120
picture of a sidewalk because the angle

2858
02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:19,920
that the the the wide ang the angle of

2859
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:21,359
the camera capturing it,

2860
02:19:21,359 --> 02:19:24,960
>> right? But it would be a car car that

2861
02:19:24,960 --> 02:19:27,840
would happen to be somebody on the side.

2862
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:31,679
Well, my my other question is like what

2863
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:34,240
would it mean like let's say we get rid

2864
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:36,319
of our flock ch what would it mean for

2865
02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:40,000
our city to be a no flock zone in the

2866
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:43,920
middle of a area that is heavily blocked

2867
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:46,080
like could it could let's say somebody

2868
02:19:46,080 --> 02:19:47,359
commits a crime

2869
02:19:47,359 --> 02:19:50,240
>> and they know I know I've driven by 10

2870
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:52,479
blockheads getting away from the scene

2871
02:19:52,479 --> 02:19:55,359
of the crime could they theoretically

2872
02:19:55,359 --> 02:19:57,439
then ditch that car somewhere in Adele

2873
02:19:57,439 --> 02:20:00,560
states, steal another car, then get out

2874
02:20:00,560 --> 02:20:02,880
of Adale.

2875
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:03,760
>> Hey, Mike.

2876
02:20:03,760 --> 02:20:05,712
>> That that's kind of a loaded question.

2877
02:20:05,712 --> 02:20:07,760
[laughter] I mean, don't get me wrong. I

2878
02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:09,520
mean, we can throw a theory out. Yeah,

2879
02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:10,240
that's a theory.

2880
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:10,560
>> Yeah.

2881
02:20:10,560 --> 02:20:11,600
>> Um,

2882
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:12,160
>> but like,

2883
02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:13,760
>> do I want to give that much credit to a

2884
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:14,319
criminal?

2885
02:20:14,319 --> 02:20:14,800
>> Yeah,

2886
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:16,880
>> probably not. But

2887
02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:20,800
>> what what it is is

2888
02:20:20,800 --> 02:20:23,520
>> we're a whole in a network. And right I

2889
02:20:23,520 --> 02:20:26,080
will tell you the cab county we work

2890
02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:27,680
very closely together all of our

2891
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:29,280
municipalities

2892
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:31,600
>> and Susan went on board our first

2893
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:33,680
agencies that were approved were the cab

2894
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:38,080
county agencies capdo marshals you know

2895
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:40,479
>> the municipalities um

2896
02:20:40,479 --> 02:20:42,560
>> it it pays dividends across the board

2897
02:20:42,560 --> 02:20:44,399
and you know don't want to get into

2898
02:20:44,399 --> 02:20:46,960
speculation but you know that that's

2899
02:20:46,960 --> 02:20:49,600
just something that's only only the

2900
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:51,359
future would know is if we were to

2901
02:20:51,359 --> 02:20:54,080
become another void weekend. Um because

2902
02:20:54,080 --> 02:20:58,399
every agency in the cab minus Pine Lake

2903
02:20:58,399 --> 02:21:00,319
>> is a subscriber to

2904
02:21:00,319 --> 02:21:01,520
>> so Clarkston

2905
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:04,870
>> Clarkston

2906
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:08,080
» everybody not to mention the caps county

2907
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:11,200
actually has very robust robust system

2908
02:21:11,200 --> 02:21:13,040
um and

2909
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:15,439
>> yep and and you're seeing all the the

2910
02:21:15,439 --> 02:21:17,200
flock is feeding into real time crime

2911
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:20,319
centers on these bigger cities that have

2912
02:21:20,319 --> 02:21:24,630
a need and create these real time crime

2913
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:27,040
Yeah.

2914
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:29,840
>> Um, Chief, are you because I know some

2915
02:21:29,840 --> 02:21:32,640
of the concerns that have been um talked

2916
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:34,240
about

2917
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:37,520
concerns like legality and and privacy

2918
02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:40,319
concerns and are you able to elaborate a

2919
02:21:40,319 --> 02:21:42,160
little bit on like the legal hurdles

2920
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:44,640
that allow Flock to even run this model

2921
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:51,439
in the first place? So you know what the legal things that they pass and

2922
02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:54,240
what's passed and you know to because we

2923
02:21:54,240 --> 02:21:57,520
do have private laws and place and

2924
02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:59,920
stuff. Can you elaborate on on some of

2925
02:21:59,920 --> 02:22:01,359
those concerns and what was what

2926
02:22:01,359 --> 02:22:02,240
measures were

2927
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:06,150
>> yeah? Um

2928
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:08,240
the arguments that have been made in

2929
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:09,840
district courts and that's where it's

2930
02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:12,960
been at now are fourth amendment fourth

2931
02:22:12,960 --> 02:22:14,720
amendment

2932
02:22:14,720 --> 02:22:16,479
illegal search and seizure to capture

2933
02:22:16,479 --> 02:22:20,080
that data. Um those arguments have been

2934
02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:23,120
struck down by circuit courts. Um there

2935
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:25,920
are still several pending to include the

2936
02:22:25,920 --> 02:22:28,800
one in our circuit um and it'll be the

2937
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:31,760
first one that's heard out of Florida.

2938
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:34,319
The way that the the way the rulings

2939
02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:38,640
have geared is to be a Fourth Amendment

2940
02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:40,720
illegal search and seizure. They're

2941
02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:44,720
arguing the track versus the snapshot

2942
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:46,800
and time.

2943
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:49,680
When a citizen is in public in a public

2944
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:52,319
space to include a roadway,

2945
02:22:52,319 --> 02:22:55,359
they do not have a right to privacy. Uh,

2946
02:22:55,359 --> 02:22:58,319
it goes back to you see videos of First

2947
02:22:58,319 --> 02:22:59,760
Amendment auditors that stand on a

2948
02:22:59,760 --> 02:23:01,840
sidewalk and videotape shopping center

2949
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:03,840
trying to get a reaction because you

2950
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:05,600
have no right to privacy when you're in

2951
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:08,880
a public space. Um, the roadway

2952
02:23:08,880 --> 02:23:11,040
specifically, you have no right to

2953
02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:13,200
privacy preventing an officer running

2954
02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:17,680
your tag just to run your tag. Um,

2955
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:20,399
that's been ruled on as well. So what

2956
02:23:20,399 --> 02:23:23,760
Flock is virtually doing is doing what

2957
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:25,920
any officer could do at any time and

2958
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:28,479
capturing that data and getting that

2959
02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:30,960
return and if it's on a what we call a

2960
02:23:30,960 --> 02:23:33,760
hot list wanted stolen vehicle wanted

2961
02:23:33,760 --> 02:23:36,319
stol wanted person missing person

2962
02:23:36,319 --> 02:23:38,240
associated with other criminal activity

2963
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:41,120
that falls in that category.

2964
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:42,960
It's capturing that and basically doing

2965
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:46,560
an officer's job. Um, I don't want to

2966
02:23:46,560 --> 02:23:48,479
pinch and hold myself, but it is a huge

2967
02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:51,120
force multiplier for a 14 person police

2968
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:54,640
department in metro Atlanta

2969
02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:58,160
that it really is. Uh, now I also

2970
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,399
respect everyone's right to privacy. I

2971
02:24:00,399 --> 02:24:02,160
mean, when I take the uniform off and

2972
02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:04,160
I'm out with my family, you know, if

2973
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:05,680
someone were to throw a video camera up

2974
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:08,399
my face in public, I wouldn't react.

2975
02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:10,479
But, I mean, would it kind of burp me?

2976
02:24:10,479 --> 02:24:13,305
Yeah, I respect that. But that's where

2977
02:24:13,305 --> 02:24:15,439
[clears throat] we're at with the

2978
02:24:15,439 --> 02:24:18,560
current federal case laws, current

2979
02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:20,880
circuit court rulings.

2980
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:24,399
Can that change in time? We all know one

2981
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:26,000
of these cases go to Supreme Court.

2982
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:28,240
justices rule differently.

2983
02:24:28,240 --> 02:24:30,399
It changes the whole scope of that. But

2984
02:24:30,399 --> 02:24:33,120
until that happens, we work in the here

2985
02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:36,640
and now of that this is all public

2986
02:24:36,640 --> 02:24:38,720
information. It's the right privacy.

2987
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:40,560
It's not tracking your vehicle as I

2988
02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:42,160
explained before because it's a moment

2989
02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:44,960
in time at a specific location. That's

2990
02:24:44,960 --> 02:24:46,399
why [clears throat] if I were to put a

2991
02:24:46,399 --> 02:24:48,399
GPS tracker on your vehicle, I would

2992
02:24:48,399 --> 02:24:51,680
have to have a warrant to place that

2993
02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:54,160
tracker to track your vehicle and

2994
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:56,240
actually give me where your vehicle's

2995
02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:59,040
travel. Flock doesn't do that. The ALPR

2996
02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:00,720
system does not do that. Let me

2997
02:25:00,720 --> 02:25:02,240
reiterate, I'm only talking about what

2998
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:05,040
we have.

2999
02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:07,760
It's a moment in time. It's a snapshot

3000
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:10,240
on a public roadway in a vehicle where

3001
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:12,319
you're legally required to have a

3002
02:25:12,319 --> 02:25:17,670
registration a tag on that vehicle.

3003
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:20,880
» Thank you.

3004
02:25:20,880 --> 02:25:23,359
>> I've got a question.

3005
02:25:23,359 --> 02:25:27,920
So, first thank you for you personally, for your activity

3006
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:29,600
with your your organization with the

3007
02:25:29,600 --> 02:25:32,640
chiefs of police and with your demeanor

3008
02:25:32,640 --> 02:25:35,120
and the way you talk about this and the

3009
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:38,560
way you consider it because it's clear

3010
02:25:38,560 --> 02:25:41,359
that you are seeing it holistically. You

3011
02:25:41,359 --> 02:25:46,240
are aware of personal, private, big

3012
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:48,479
picture and small picture concerns.

3013
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:50,160
you've given examples of lots of

3014
02:25:50,160 --> 02:25:52,319
different ways where it could go in in

3015
02:25:52,319 --> 02:25:53,680
different directions. So, thank you for

3016
02:25:53,680 --> 02:25:55,760
that. I really appreciate the way you

3017
02:25:55,760 --> 02:25:58,000
address this. So, I have a two

3018
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:00,720
questions. One is about retention time

3019
02:26:00,720 --> 02:26:03,840
frame and one is about a technical

3020
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:08,479
specific thing about camp. So I saw that

3021
02:26:08,479 --> 02:26:11,920
the uh police chiefs of city of Decar

3022
02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:13,520
did a similar presentation to their

3023
02:26:13,520 --> 02:26:16,800
board and I think I also read I just

3024
02:26:16,800 --> 02:26:18,960
can't remember where that the flock

3025
02:26:18,960 --> 02:26:21,680
systems has changed their maximum

3026
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:24,640
retention day to 7 days instead of 30

3027
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:26,160
days

3028
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:28,560
for not for cases like when it's in a

3029
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:31,760
case it can keep going but just for like

3030
02:26:31,760 --> 02:26:35,200
the raw data let's say can you comment

3031
02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:36,479
on

3032
02:26:36,479 --> 02:26:39,040
So

3033
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:40,960
that [clears throat] specific retention

3034
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:43,280
period has come up in some preemptive

3035
02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:45,840
conversations leading into some of these

3036
02:26:45,840 --> 02:26:48,160
future meetings we're going to have with

3037
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:51,359
GACP and GSA sheriff's chief

3038
02:26:51,359 --> 02:26:52,880
associations

3039
02:26:52,880 --> 02:26:56,399
um is further reducing that time limit

3040
02:26:56,399 --> 02:27:00,319
down shorter. Um

3041
02:27:00,319 --> 02:27:05,120
I personally what I have seen is

3042
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:07,200
reducing it down to 7 days may be a

3043
02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:11,040
little bit too much. The reason being is

3044
02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:15,200
we may be investigating a case and we

3045
02:27:15,200 --> 02:27:17,520
may not have that vehicle information

3046
02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:21,920
for six days. We may not only get that

3047
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:24,800
vehicle information till day seven.

3048
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:27,520
Could I see it being reduced? Yeah, I

3049
02:27:27,520 --> 02:27:29,920
think seven days is a little bit much.

3050
02:27:29,920 --> 02:27:32,240
I'm I'm open to discussions with my

3051
02:27:32,240 --> 02:27:34,160
peers as we move forward working with

3052
02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:37,840
the um legislators.

3053
02:27:37,840 --> 02:27:39,840
I think seven days is too little. And

3054
02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:42,399
also think about prime example of this

3055
02:27:42,399 --> 02:27:44,560
is how many of y'all go for a vacation

3056
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:47,359
for a full week? That's seven days. You

3057
02:27:47,359 --> 02:27:49,359
come home and you realize your house is

3058
02:27:49,359 --> 02:27:52,160
fertilized. You have Ring cameras. You

3059
02:27:52,160 --> 02:27:54,240
didn't see the alert. It captured the

3060
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:56,080
vehicle.

3061
02:27:56,080 --> 02:27:58,399
day eight you're reporting that burglary

3062
02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:02,560
or day seven in the you know 11 hour

3063
02:28:02,560 --> 02:28:04,960
you're reporting that burglary and that

3064
02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:07,520
data is gone and that's what I'm looking

3065
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:10,640
at is in a perfect world we have vehicle

3066
02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:13,200
information in real time in a real world

3067
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:15,040
situation most of our cases we're not

3068
02:28:15,040 --> 02:28:18,640
developing those leads of a vehicle for

3069
02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:23,439
several days so seven days I've seen it

3070
02:28:23,439 --> 02:28:26,560
and you know And I'm preparing for some

3071
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:27,680
of these meetings, I'm going to be

3072
02:28:27,680 --> 02:28:30,000
talking to my criminal investigators and

3073
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:32,240
kind of seeing what their timeline is on

3074
02:28:32,240 --> 02:28:34,800
when they're developing realistic leads

3075
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:37,840
because we don't want to go every, you

3076
02:28:37,840 --> 02:28:39,680
know, black SUV. We want to make them

3077
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:42,000
up. You know, we may not get that

3078
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:44,560
Cadillac Escalade till day seven or day

3079
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:47,200
eight. Um, that's kind of where I'm at

3080
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:49,040
with that.

3081
02:28:49,040 --> 02:28:51,280
>> Okay. Okay. And then just a practical

3082
02:28:51,280 --> 02:28:53,840
camera question like you mentioned

3083
02:28:53,840 --> 02:28:56,319
uh when the system's installed or when a

3084
02:28:56,319 --> 02:28:58,399
camera is installed or if the future

3085
02:28:58,399 --> 02:29:00,720
camera were to be installed, do you

3086
02:29:00,720 --> 02:29:03,359
personally get an opportunity to see the

3087
02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:05,760
angle or view that that that camera has?

3088
02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:09,040
>> Yeah. So basically in the um coding

3089
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:12,080
phase, the development before approval,

3090
02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:14,080
um they have to send a scout team out.

3091
02:29:14,080 --> 02:29:17,200
Um I give them I give them locations

3092
02:29:17,200 --> 02:29:19,359
where I would like them. um those

3093
02:29:19,359 --> 02:29:21,200
cameras are solar powered. So they have

3094
02:29:21,200 --> 02:29:22,800
to send a scout team out and they have

3095
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:25,120
to do some map work on the back end to

3096
02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:26,240
make sure that it's going to generate

3097
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:28,319
enough solar power.

3098
02:29:28,319 --> 02:29:31,680
Additionally, it gives me a snapshot um

3099
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:34,080
of what that angle would look like

3100
02:29:34,080 --> 02:29:37,280
before install and then after install.

3101
02:29:37,280 --> 02:29:39,280
We can see it in real time and we can

3102
02:29:39,280 --> 02:29:40,720
also make adjustments. I mean that

3103
02:29:40,720 --> 02:29:43,760
that's the thing too is they they have a

3104
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:46,640
an angle downward angle because they're

3105
02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:48,960
up on holes as well as like an angle

3106
02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:51,200
away from the road that they maintain

3107
02:29:51,200 --> 02:29:53,920
for their system to be effective. I know

3108
02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:55,840
that, you know, many people would prefer

3109
02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:59,600
to just maybe not have it, but if there

3110
02:29:59,600 --> 02:30:02,160
is an an if there were a camera in a

3111
02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:03,920
what someone might consider a sensitive

3112
02:30:03,920 --> 02:30:06,399
location, like near a school, if there

3113
02:30:06,399 --> 02:30:07,920
was other places where it could be, if

3114
02:30:07,920 --> 02:30:09,680
it could be moved 50 feet and still

3115
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:11,680
operate function, is is there an

3116
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:13,840
opportunity to consider that?

3117
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:15,600
>> Yeah. If there was a concern, a

3118
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:17,920
reasonable concern if even if it's just

3119
02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:20,960
to feel better and feel like the school

3120
02:30:20,960 --> 02:30:22,960
is not in the field of view, for

3121
02:30:22,960 --> 02:30:23,760
example,

3122
02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:25,680
>> absolutely and that could be done. Um, I

3123
02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:29,200
will just caveat that with uh once the

3124
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:31,280
cameras are in place and everything is

3125
02:30:31,280 --> 02:30:33,040
good to go. There is a cost associated

3126
02:30:33,040 --> 02:30:35,760
with moving the equipment. To me, it's

3127
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:38,160
minimal. It's anywhere between $500 to

3128
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:40,399
$1,500 based on location and everything

3129
02:30:40,399 --> 02:30:41,280
else.

3130
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:43,439
um you know th those can be considered

3131
02:30:43,439 --> 02:30:46,560
and dealt with after installation.

3132
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:50,950
>> Thank you.

3133
02:30:50,960 --> 02:30:51,760
» Okay.

3134
02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:54,000
>> Thank you, Chief H.

3135
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:55,680
>> Thank you.

3136
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:56,240
>> All right.

3137
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:59,120
Uh let's move to the next

3138
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:02,720
item since I know there's people here.

3139
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:05,910
Um

3140
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:10,479
» Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So uh the dicab

3141
02:31:10,479 --> 02:31:12,800
municipal association which is the

3142
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:15,600
association of municipal governments

3143
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:18,240
within the capab county. So all of the

3144
02:31:18,240 --> 02:31:22,960
cities of the cab county have a um

3145
02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:27,760
working group to discuss items of mutual

3146
02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:29,520
relevance.

3147
02:31:29,520 --> 02:31:33,760
And uh one of the the

3148
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:36,800
items of mutual relevance,

3149
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:40,880
though unlikely and far into the future,

3150
02:31:40,880 --> 02:31:43,359
if ever considered, would be the

3151
02:31:43,359 --> 02:31:46,000
complete municipalization of the cab

3152
02:31:46,000 --> 02:31:50,319
county, meaning that uh either existing

3153
02:31:50,319 --> 02:31:52,800
cities would expand their boundaries or

3154
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:55,920
new cities would be created to remove

3155
02:31:55,920 --> 02:31:59,520
uninccorporated areas of Dicab county.

3156
02:31:59,520 --> 02:32:02,399
Now, the likelihood of that happening,

3157
02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:05,359
um, as the mayor and I understand

3158
02:32:05,359 --> 02:32:09,040
politically, is about 0%.

3159
02:32:09,040 --> 02:32:10,800
Um

3160
02:32:10,800 --> 02:32:15,120
however uh as an exercise

3161
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:18,240
uh the BMA executive director has asked

3162
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:20,399
all of the municipalities

3163
02:32:20,399 --> 02:32:25,840
to provide a map of its

3164
02:32:25,840 --> 02:32:28,160
ultimate aspirational

3165
02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:31,439
annexation goals if there were no

3166
02:32:31,439 --> 02:32:34,160
political hurdles.

3167
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:36,479
um so that

3168
02:32:36,479 --> 02:32:40,000
Brook the city of Brook Haven who has a

3169
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:43,600
u robust GIS system can plot all of

3170
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:46,720
that. The reason to do that is so that

3171
02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:49,840
if this ever came to fruition uh we

3172
02:32:49,840 --> 02:32:51,600
would have a head start on those

3173
02:32:51,600 --> 02:32:56,800
discussions and not uh be embroiled in

3174
02:32:56,800 --> 02:32:59,200
inner city conflict.

3175
02:32:59,200 --> 02:33:01,600
Uh so

3176
02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:05,439
what I am proposing to submit to the

3177
02:33:05,439 --> 02:33:08,000
Dicap Municipal Association for this

3178
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:11,200
exercise purpose is the study map that

3179
02:33:11,200 --> 02:33:13,920
we developed in 2018 with the Carl

3180
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:16,640
Vincent Institute. And I've included

3181
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:21,040
that map uh in your packet.

3182
02:33:21,040 --> 02:33:24,319
The map is a little out of date because

3183
02:33:24,319 --> 02:33:28,319
uh some of some of the area that we

3184
02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:30,640
studied for annexation purposes has

3185
02:33:30,640 --> 02:33:33,280
already been annexed i.e. Berkeley

3186
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:40,479
Village. Um so my thought was to provide

3187
02:33:40,479 --> 02:33:42,880
DMA with this map for the purposes of

3188
02:33:42,880 --> 02:33:46,399
their GIS exercise knowing that this is

3189
02:33:46,399 --> 02:33:49,359
not a decision point for you guys. It's

3190
02:33:49,359 --> 02:33:52,160
not a decision point that will happen

3191
02:33:52,160 --> 02:33:54,720
anytime in the near future or something

3192
02:33:54,720 --> 02:33:56,800
that the county is interested in taking

3193
02:33:56,800 --> 02:33:59,200
on with the state legislature or

3194
02:33:59,200 --> 02:34:01,200
anything that the state legislature is

3195
02:34:01,200 --> 02:34:05,520
actually interested in taking. So, uh I

3196
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:10,080
say that to say that our submission is

3197
02:34:10,080 --> 02:34:14,720
likely um just for for show purposes.

3198
02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:18,880
Now, what could become a reality

3199
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:22,880
and the CEO has expressed interest in in

3200
02:34:22,880 --> 02:34:27,040
the fans is that there are what we kind

3201
02:34:27,040 --> 02:34:30,800
of refer to as donut holes in already

3202
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:35,760
incorporated areas where you have

3203
02:34:35,760 --> 02:34:38,160
a a property or an assemblage of

3204
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:41,359
properties that still exist as

3205
02:34:41,359 --> 02:34:44,000
uninccorporated within the normal

3206
02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:46,560
boundary. of the incorporated area and

3207
02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:51,359
we have two of those. Um the first is

3208
02:34:51,359 --> 02:34:53,920
Aendell Station Apartments

3209
02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:56,479
and the other is the American Legion

3210
02:34:56,479 --> 02:35:00,960
property. Uh now the CEO has expressed

3211
02:35:00,960 --> 02:35:02,960
an interest because it's difficult for

3212
02:35:02,960 --> 02:35:05,760
them to provide services to these

3213
02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:07,520
properties within the boundaries of

3214
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:10,000
cities. So she she has expressed

3215
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:14,479
interest in hearing uh a case from the

3216
02:35:14,479 --> 02:35:17,280
municipalities for incorporating

3217
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:21,359
existing donut holes. Uh I don't know if

3218
02:35:21,359 --> 02:35:23,379
what her interest level is. I

3219
02:35:23,379 --> 02:35:25,439
[clears throat] don't know whether or

3220
02:35:25,439 --> 02:35:28,800
not uh the state legislature would share

3221
02:35:28,800 --> 02:35:30,240
that interest because it would have to

3222
02:35:30,240 --> 02:35:35,359
be a legislative annexation. Uh just to to clarify with you guys, there's

3223
02:35:35,359 --> 02:35:38,479
only two ways that a city uh can

3224
02:35:38,479 --> 02:35:41,680
accomplish a leg an annexation outside

3225
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:44,240
the bounds of of state legislation and

3226
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:46,640
that is through either the 100% method

3227
02:35:46,640 --> 02:35:51,200
or 60 method to

3228
02:35:51,200 --> 02:35:53,600
uh brush you up on that those processes.

3229
02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:56,560
The 100% method means that a property

3230
02:35:56,560 --> 02:35:59,680
owner with a you know who has control of

3231
02:35:59,680 --> 02:36:02,880
an entire property says we want to annex

3232
02:36:02,880 --> 02:36:06,319
into uh the city and if the city is

3233
02:36:06,319 --> 02:36:08,240
interested in that proposition from that

3234
02:36:08,240 --> 02:36:10,880
property owner and it's contiguous then

3235
02:36:10,880 --> 02:36:13,520
the city can grant that annexation

3236
02:36:13,520 --> 02:36:16,720
petition. There's also another method

3237
02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:19,600
for neighborhoods called the 6060

3238
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:21,760
method. This is

3239
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:27,359
>> yeah 60 no it's 606 it's 60 and I'll

3240
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:28,640
explain

3241
02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:32,000
>> okay so so the 6060 method for

3242
02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:34,240
neighborhoods so prop individual

3243
02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:36,640
properties owned by multiple you know

3244
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:38,880
you have more than one owner such as

3245
02:36:38,880 --> 02:36:42,000
what happened with Berkeley Village 60%

3246
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:44,720
of the property owners in that area and

3247
02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:47,280
60% of the registered voters in that

3248
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:49,760
area have to sign the annexation

3249
02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:52,240
petition for you guys to even consider

3250
02:36:52,240 --> 02:36:57,439
the action. Um, so, uh, needless to say

3251
02:36:57,439 --> 02:37:00,319
again, what I'm proposing to submit to

3252
02:37:00,319 --> 02:37:03,920
DMA is really just for exercise purposes

3253
02:37:03,920 --> 02:37:08,399
only. And uh uh I you know I propose

3254
02:37:08,399 --> 02:37:16,960
revising this map uh to to uh exclude the need or the want or the

3255
02:37:16,960 --> 02:37:19,120
desire for Berkeley Village which is

3256
02:37:19,120 --> 02:37:20,560
already in the case.

3257
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:22,880
>> This was the map you did in 2018.

3258
02:37:22,880 --> 02:37:25,040
>> Yeah, those were areas we studied for

3259
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:26,960
potential addexation noting that that

3260
02:37:26,960 --> 02:37:31,200
would be uh the the far reaches of

3261
02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:33,920
boundary expansion.

3262
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:43,349
That's correct.

3263
02:37:43,359 --> 02:37:47,840
And if we if one other thing to uh speak

3264
02:37:47,840 --> 02:37:49,359
to

3265
02:37:49,359 --> 02:37:52,720
um was that potential municipal conflict

3266
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:58,640
earlier. So let's just say we reduced

3267
02:37:58,640 --> 02:38:02,319
these areas. uh that would provide a

3268
02:38:02,319 --> 02:38:05,600
greater opportunity for your neighbors

3269
02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:08,800
in Clarkston or Decater to try food

3270
02:38:08,800 --> 02:38:13,600
those are. So you want to be as um

3271
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:17,590
aspiration

3272
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:19,760
but like Patrick said I mean I think the

3273
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:22,000
chances of something like this happening

3274
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:24,720
are pretty slim.

3275
02:38:24,720 --> 02:38:27,120
I mean the county has no I mean other

3276
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:28,960
than these donut holes you mentioned you

3277
02:38:28,960 --> 02:38:30,319
mentioned which are this really

3278
02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:32,160
departments of the American Legion

3279
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:33,920
there's no reason for the county to want

3280
02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:37,200
to do this I mean they're just you know

3281
02:38:37,200 --> 02:38:39,520
why would they do it it's like

3282
02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:41,120
>> think they would be very opposed to

3283
02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:42,640
>> they would I mean unless they're

3284
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:44,560
spending more on services in that area

3285
02:38:44,560 --> 02:38:46,960
than they're collecting in taxes which

3286
02:38:46,960 --> 02:38:48,880
is rare I mean I don't know maybe it's

3287
02:38:48,880 --> 02:38:51,920
not but generally that's not something

3288
02:38:51,920 --> 02:38:55,990
they're super interested

3289
02:38:56,000 --> 02:38:57,680
um

3290
02:38:57,680 --> 02:38:59,760
there would be some advantage to them

3291
02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:02,080
municipalizing themselves for the entire

3292
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:03,680
southern part of the county because they

3293
02:39:03,680 --> 02:39:05,600
collect a whole other range of taxes

3294
02:39:05,600 --> 02:39:08,640
that don't currently collect

3295
02:39:08,640 --> 02:39:12,000
>> and um but the argument for that is not

3296
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:15,120
actually that great either. Um and there

3297
02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:17,359
would be probably some serious

3298
02:39:17,359 --> 02:39:19,200
opposition to that. I mean, there was an

3299
02:39:19,200 --> 02:39:21,520
effort for years to municipalize the

3300
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:25,920
whole southern part of the county and it got a tiny bit of traction, but it

3301
02:39:25,920 --> 02:39:29,359
eventually fizzled out after years of

3302
02:39:29,359 --> 02:39:30,880
effort.

3303
02:39:30,880 --> 02:39:34,240
And um

3304
02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:36,800
you know,

3305
02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:39,600
I think if if if we could gain some of

3306
02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:41,600
these properties like the Legion and the

3307
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:43,920
apartment complex, that'd be great. That

3308
02:39:43,920 --> 02:39:46,240
makes sense. there's been an indication

3309
02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:48,399
that the countyy's interested in doing

3310
02:39:48,399 --> 02:39:51,520
that because again they're

3311
02:39:51,520 --> 02:39:54,399
the cost of servicing those is I guess

3312
02:39:54,399 --> 02:39:59,840
in their mind not really worth it and there's a lot of those in the county

3313
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:02,080
and um they probably studied that and

3314
02:40:02,080 --> 02:40:03,920
said hey you know it's not going to be a

3315
02:40:03,920 --> 02:40:06,560
big big enough hit for us these cities

3316
02:40:06,560 --> 02:40:09,200
need it we don't want it you know works

3317
02:40:09,200 --> 02:40:12,160
out better

3318
02:40:12,160 --> 02:40:14,560
but like Patrick said to not participate

3319
02:40:14,560 --> 02:40:17,200
in this could be falling in. Well, you

3320
02:40:17,200 --> 02:40:19,760
just you never know. But

3321
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:21,359
um because the legislature changes

3322
02:40:21,359 --> 02:40:24,240
frequently and what the legislature was

3323
02:40:24,240 --> 02:40:26,319
10 years ago or 12 years ago is not what

3324
02:40:26,319 --> 02:40:30,560
it is now and that change and the

3325
02:40:30,560 --> 02:40:34,960
who knows. Um yeah. So we're just trying

3326
02:40:34,960 --> 02:40:37,359
to

3327
02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:39,280
as we've done many times before just

3328
02:40:39,280 --> 02:40:42,960
make sure we put our claim in.

3329
02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:45,680
Um,

3330
02:40:45,680 --> 02:40:46,080
so

3331
02:40:46,080 --> 02:40:46,560
>> that's it.

3332
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:48,240
>> Is that fair where we are?

3333
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:50,080
>> Yes.

3334
02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:52,960
>> So,

3335
02:40:52,960 --> 02:40:54,960
you know, so I mean,

3336
02:40:54,960 --> 02:40:56,800
>> y'all are all good if I send

3337
02:40:56,800 --> 02:40:57,520
>> We have

3338
02:40:57,520 --> 02:41:00,000
>> Yeah.

3339
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:01,840
>> Um,

3340
02:41:01,840 --> 02:41:04,160
this is probably at least the third time

3341
02:41:04,160 --> 02:41:07,280
we've done this.

3342
02:41:07,280 --> 02:41:09,680
Like, okay, let's try it again. Why not?

3343
02:41:09,680 --> 02:41:15,120
You know, so let's see. Um but uh anyway

3344
02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:16,240
I got nothing more.

3345
02:41:16,240 --> 02:41:16,800
>> That's it.

3346
02:41:16,800 --> 02:41:20,640
Okay. So any other we take a

3347
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:22,319
two three minute break.

3348
02:41:22,319 --> 02:41:23,840
>> Sure. Two minute break.

3349
02:41:23,840 --> 02:41:25,280
>> All right.

3350
02:41:25,280 --> 02:44:19,190
>> She's counting. Don't count.

3351
02:44:19,200 --> 02:44:22,560
We have um

3352
02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:25,600
you know covered all of our discussion

3353
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:29,279
items and so public comment. We're now

3354
02:44:29,279 --> 02:44:31,279
open for public comment. If you see the

3355
02:44:31,279 --> 02:44:33,040
thing three minutes, please give us your

3356
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:35,600
name and address just for the record. Uh

3357
02:44:35,600 --> 02:44:41,520
yes, Phil. Uh Phil 891. Um

3358
02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:45,120
been ordered about regarding the golf

3359
02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:48,960
cart ordinance. Um I

3360
02:44:48,960 --> 02:44:53,279
would basically agree that keeping the

3361
02:44:53,279 --> 02:44:58,960
game fast 16 I guess makes sense. Uh

3362
02:44:58,960 --> 02:45:00,560
but

3363
02:45:00,560 --> 02:45:05,510
I would like

3364
02:45:05,520 --> 02:45:08,080
counselor and

3365
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:10,240
to explore

3366
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:15,439
mechanisms for giving uh police force a

3367
02:45:15,439 --> 02:45:18,080
greater opportunity to actually do

3368
02:45:18,080 --> 02:45:21,600
policing on golf carts because I from

3369
02:45:21,600 --> 02:45:24,319
what I am seeing which included I think

3370
02:45:24,319 --> 02:45:25,920
yesterday

3371
02:45:25,920 --> 02:45:28,160
someone ing with a baby strapped to

3372
02:45:28,160 --> 02:45:35,120
their chest um in a golf ball. U that

3373
02:45:35,120 --> 02:45:38,240
some some greater form of enforcement I

3374
02:45:38,240 --> 02:45:40,560
think is necessary to keep uh something

3375
02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:42,720
from happening because obviously even

3376
02:45:42,720 --> 02:45:46,720
with the roads occurring people are not

3377
02:45:46,720 --> 02:45:50,560
uh the existing laws and raising the age

3378
02:45:50,560 --> 02:45:54,160
is going to change that. Uh then uh

3379
02:45:54,160 --> 02:45:57,120
regarding the the clock system

3380
02:45:57,120 --> 02:45:59,520
I would encourage

3381
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:03,040
to continue the current uh in the

3382
02:46:03,040 --> 02:46:06,800
current contract. Uh and but be very

3383
02:46:06,800 --> 02:46:10,240
cognizant of what is doing to make the

3384
02:46:10,240 --> 02:46:13,830
security

3385
02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:16,720
to eliminate abuse of the program. Uh

3386
02:46:16,720 --> 02:46:19,279
and then hopefully having that

3387
02:46:19,279 --> 02:46:21,600
information available

3388
02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:23,840
the decision on whether to renew it and

3389
02:46:23,840 --> 02:46:26,319
thank the chief for having a really good

3390
02:46:26,319 --> 02:46:29,200
policy for us and uh hopefully influence

3391
02:46:29,200 --> 02:46:32,800
any building policies for uh statewide

3392
02:46:32,800 --> 02:46:35,760
task force and then I will say with a

3393
02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:38,800
great amount of relief uh I'm happy to

3394
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:41,120
hear that it was an exercise only for

3395
02:46:41,120 --> 02:46:46,160
the annestation because uh and seeing

3396
02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:50,800
Gam and discussing it to my better half.

3397
02:46:50,800 --> 02:46:54,240
Uh I was very very worried about what an

3398
02:46:54,240 --> 02:46:58,080
increase in geographical size of of the

3399
02:46:58,080 --> 02:47:00,960
what's being shown there uh would be to

3400
02:47:00,960 --> 02:47:03,600
the the character of our city as a

3401
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:05,040
whole. Thank you.

3402
02:47:05,040 --> 02:47:10,150
>> You go on.

3403
02:47:10,160 --> 02:47:11,520
Yes, ma'am.

3404
02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:14,800
>> Hi, I'm Laura Whan. I'm SFDA executive.

3405
02:47:14,800 --> 02:47:17,279
Uh thank you chief foration. I very much

3406
02:47:17,279 --> 02:47:20,960
appreciate that. Um two things strike

3407
02:47:20,960 --> 02:47:23,120
me. Um thank you for putting some guard

3408
02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:27,750
rails in place more of our

3409
02:47:27,760 --> 02:47:31,439
appreciate that. Uh two things that were

3410
02:47:31,439 --> 02:47:34,720
said. Um chief you said that

3411
02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:38,800
approximately 300 agencies beyond Avenue

3412
02:47:38,800 --> 02:47:41,279
have access to our

3413
02:47:41,279 --> 02:47:43,600
chat. I don't know if you looked at me,

3414
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:45,200
but my mouth dropped open like a fish

3415
02:47:45,200 --> 02:47:46,800
when you said that. Um because it

3416
02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:49,439
doesn't go away. That's the fight that

3417
02:47:49,439 --> 02:47:51,760
concerns. I realize that your control

3418
02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:56,080
over here you said and is true. you

3419
02:47:56,080 --> 02:47:59,520
don't have a woman as if using it in

3420
02:47:59,520 --> 02:48:04,000
appropriate use in other places that is

3421
02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:08,479
um I ask you to think about not having

3422
02:48:08,479 --> 02:48:11,040
revoking or limiting that access because

3423
02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:13,439
that is extreme

3424
02:48:13,439 --> 02:48:18,469
you can control what happens here.

3425
02:48:18,479 --> 02:48:21,120
Um and then Patrick you mentioned and

3426
02:48:21,120 --> 02:48:24,319
maybe chief as you can speak to this if

3427
02:48:24,319 --> 02:48:26,800
this is an if someone violates the

3428
02:48:26,800 --> 02:48:29,520
policy prison

3429
02:48:29,520 --> 02:48:31,680
inappropriate use

3430
02:48:31,680 --> 02:48:35,200
here Patrick you mentioned discipline I

3431
02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:38,640
want to know what that is and can you

3432
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:41,200
think

3433
02:48:41,200 --> 02:48:43,359
>> let me just point this is public comment

3434
02:48:43,359 --> 02:48:47,120
and we try not to engage in sort of a

3435
02:48:47,120 --> 02:48:50,080
debate or dialogue and we're recording

3436
02:48:50,080 --> 02:48:53,359
your questions and can get back to you,

3437
02:48:53,359 --> 02:48:55,359
but we can't always answer everything on

3438
02:48:55,359 --> 02:48:59,200
the spot and we try to avoid that. So,

3439
02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:01,359
>> comment with more dialogue than

3440
02:49:01,359 --> 02:49:03,920
>> it's not it's actually there, but I'll

3441
02:49:03,920 --> 02:49:06,560
do Yeah, we've done that in the past,

3442
02:49:06,560 --> 02:49:09,680
but it doesn't work.

3443
02:49:09,680 --> 02:49:11,680
>> So, if you're able to get back to me,

3444
02:49:11,680 --> 02:49:12,800
how will that

3445
02:49:12,800 --> 02:49:15,600
>> you'd have to give us your email or

3446
02:49:15,600 --> 02:49:19,279
>> I can go back. We have comment

3447
02:49:19,279 --> 02:49:20,720
there.

3448
02:49:20,720 --> 02:49:24,080
>> So the comment on it will be responded

3449
02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:25,439
to.

3450
02:49:25,439 --> 02:49:26,560
>> Okay. Thank you.

3451
02:49:26,560 --> 02:49:28,560
>> And that's just to be fair to everyone.

3452
02:49:28,560 --> 02:49:30,399
So

3453
02:49:30,399 --> 02:49:32,720
>> um yes ma'am.

3454
02:49:32,720 --> 02:49:36,640
>> Um my name is Diane Dhy and I'm uh live

3455
02:49:36,640 --> 02:49:39,760
in the condos and I'm also a member of

3456
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:42,560
Aendale Action.

3457
02:49:42,560 --> 02:49:45,279
I'm very concerned about what you had

3458
02:49:45,279 --> 02:49:48,240
said. I I loved your presentation.

3459
02:49:48,240 --> 02:49:51,359
I'm very satisfied with the uh work of

3460
02:49:51,359 --> 02:49:53,040
Aenddale

3461
02:49:53,040 --> 02:50:00,720
um police, but what I am concerned and I believe the local structure is

3462
02:50:00,720 --> 02:50:05,279
being framed properly with a with uh

3463
02:50:05,279 --> 02:50:06,880
benchmarks

3464
02:50:06,880 --> 02:50:09,279
so that you could look back and see how

3465
02:50:09,279 --> 02:50:12,800
this is working. My large concern is of

3466
02:50:12,800 --> 02:50:15,279
um is building a larger surveillance

3467
02:50:15,279 --> 02:50:21,200
network. And at any point in time,

3468
02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:23,760
we couldn't stop it.

3469
02:50:23,760 --> 02:50:27,760
And I would like to know whe uh when you

3470
02:50:27,760 --> 02:50:30,399
go to these meetings with the senator, I

3471
02:50:30,399 --> 02:50:32,720
think it's really important to have

3472
02:50:32,720 --> 02:50:35,920
everybody understand that even if there

3473
02:50:35,920 --> 02:50:39,200
is oversight in Georgia, this is much

3474
02:50:39,200 --> 02:50:43,359
larger than one state or the southern

3475
02:50:43,359 --> 02:50:47,279
states and we have to keep in mind the

3476
02:50:47,279 --> 02:50:51,840
broader picture of what is going to um

3477
02:50:51,840 --> 02:50:53,680
be the final outcome.

3478
02:50:53,680 --> 02:50:56,479
as laws change.

3479
02:50:56,479 --> 02:50:59,200
So I think it's it can be a very good

3480
02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:01,439
thing, but a lot of times when you build

3481
02:51:01,439 --> 02:51:04,000
something that is this massive and

3482
02:51:04,000 --> 02:51:06,000
grows,

3483
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:08,399
I think it could become something that

3484
02:51:08,399 --> 02:51:12,640
is uh um out of that can get out of

3485
02:51:12,640 --> 02:51:14,240
control

3486
02:51:14,240 --> 02:51:17,920
and could come back to bite us.

3487
02:51:17,920 --> 02:51:19,920
Thank you all and thank you for your

3488
02:51:19,920 --> 02:51:28,469
efforts.

3489
02:51:28,479 --> 02:51:31,359
Okay. Uh, yes, ma'am. Back there. And

3490
02:51:31,359 --> 02:51:32,720
then,

3491
02:51:32,720 --> 02:51:34,960
>> yeah. U, my name is Paula Rose. I'm at

3492
02:51:34,960 --> 02:51:38,640
842 Stratford. And I was not planning to

3493
02:51:38,640 --> 02:51:40,000
speak tonight, so I don't have anything

3494
02:51:40,000 --> 02:51:42,640
prepared, but I did want to say I came

3495
02:51:42,640 --> 02:51:45,120
into it, uh, as many people have already

3496
02:51:45,120 --> 02:51:47,520
said, not necessarily concerned about

3497
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:49,279
the AEPD.

3498
02:51:49,279 --> 02:51:51,680
Um, and thank you, Chief Hess. What you

3499
02:51:51,680 --> 02:51:54,640
said tonight really just confirmed that

3500
02:51:54,640 --> 02:51:56,160
we, you know, we don't necessarily have

3501
02:51:56,160 --> 02:51:58,960
anything to be worried about locally.

3502
02:51:58,960 --> 02:52:01,359
That being said, my bigger concerns are

3503
02:52:01,359 --> 02:52:04,160
with Flock as a company and not just

3504
02:52:04,160 --> 02:52:08,319
Flock, but also their competitors. Um,

3505
02:52:08,319 --> 02:52:11,600
the idea that they the data just

3506
02:52:11,600 --> 02:52:14,560
disappears after 30 days.

3507
02:52:14,560 --> 02:52:16,560
Maybe I'm cynical, but I don't believe

3508
02:52:16,560 --> 02:52:17,983
that.

3509
02:52:17,983 --> 02:52:19,040
>> [laughter]

3510
02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:21,040
>> And that's that's the concern that I

3511
02:52:21,040 --> 02:52:24,479
have. It's not even not not Aenddale and

3512
02:52:24,479 --> 02:52:26,399
maybe not even, you know, some of the

3513
02:52:26,399 --> 02:52:28,880
other access, which is a concern, but my

3514
02:52:28,880 --> 02:52:31,760
bigger concern is is the bigger picture,

3515
02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:34,319
the flock, what they're doing with it,

3516
02:52:34,319 --> 02:52:36,000
what other companies are working with

3517
02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:37,920
them to do with it, what governments are

3518
02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:40,080
working with them to do. Um, whether

3519
02:52:40,080 --> 02:52:44,080
it's under the table or above the board.

3520
02:52:44,080 --> 02:52:46,240
>> Thank you. Pleasure.

3521
02:52:46,240 --> 02:52:48,560
Great.

3522
02:52:48,560 --> 02:52:50,319
Uh

3523
02:52:50,319 --> 02:52:50,880
yeah.

3524
02:52:50,880 --> 02:52:52,640
>> Hey there. Uh my name's Ethan. I live at

3525
02:52:52,640 --> 02:52:56,640
315 Stratford Green. Um I believe you

3526
02:52:56,640 --> 02:52:58,080
are a good man. I appreciate you

3527
02:52:58,080 --> 02:53:00,319
preparing this presentation. Cheap pets.

3528
02:53:00,319 --> 02:53:02,399
The gap in your logic is yes. Perhaps

3529
02:53:02,399 --> 02:53:04,880
now. This seems on the up and up. I

3530
02:53:04,880 --> 02:53:06,560
understand you want to focus on the now.

3531
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:08,960
You reiterated that many times. You said

3532
02:53:08,960 --> 02:53:10,560
you don't want to play the what if game.

3533
02:53:10,560 --> 02:53:12,880
Then why have the risk? You do seem

3534
02:53:12,880 --> 02:53:14,399
ready to focus on what if when we're

3535
02:53:14,399 --> 02:53:17,040
talking about a 7-day limit. Why is this

3536
02:53:17,040 --> 02:53:19,840
different? Why should we trust SLO? What

3537
02:53:19,840 --> 02:53:22,000
if the policy changes in the future?

3538
02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:22,640
>> Yep.

3539
02:53:22,640 --> 02:53:24,160
>> Shouldn't the purpose of the chief of

3540
02:53:24,160 --> 02:53:26,000
police be to be forward thinking for

3541
02:53:26,000 --> 02:53:28,800
assessing risk and leading by example?

3542
02:53:28,800 --> 02:53:30,080
Wouldn't you want a leader with

3543
02:53:30,080 --> 02:53:31,840
accountability?

3544
02:53:31,840 --> 02:53:33,600
Why should we trust Flock to look out

3545
02:53:33,600 --> 02:53:36,479
for that in those states? Cities in

3546
02:53:36,479 --> 02:53:38,160
Colorado have canceled their Flock

3547
02:53:38,160 --> 02:53:40,399
cameras and are taping garbage bags over

3548
02:53:40,399 --> 02:53:42,319
the cameras because Flock won't take

3549
02:53:42,319 --> 02:53:44,720
them down. Does that seem like a vendor

3550
02:53:44,720 --> 02:53:46,720
we can trust for our city?

3551
02:53:46,720 --> 02:53:47,520
>> Speak on it.

3552
02:53:47,520 --> 02:53:49,600
>> I'm skeptical of the claim that we don't

3553
02:53:49,600 --> 02:53:51,760
that they don't track roots as these

3554
02:53:51,760 --> 02:53:53,600
cameras are everywhere. It doesn't

3555
02:53:53,600 --> 02:53:55,439
matter what route you are taking if they

3556
02:53:55,439 --> 02:53:57,920
are tracking the points where you are.

3557
02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:00,000
Also, your hateville point is flawed

3558
02:54:00,000 --> 02:54:02,399
because if you take 285 block doesn't

3559
02:54:02,399 --> 02:54:05,040
monitor interstates yet. You can get to

3560
02:54:05,040 --> 02:54:07,520
Aenddale to hate because it's on 285.

3561
02:54:07,520 --> 02:54:10,080
Otherwise, Atlanta is the most surveiled

3562
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:13,040
state in the country.

3563
02:54:13,040 --> 02:54:14,960
There's a lot in your in lot of

3564
02:54:14,960 --> 02:54:16,640
information in your presentation about

3565
02:54:16,640 --> 02:54:19,200
what's happening now, but we are worried

3566
02:54:19,200 --> 02:54:21,520
about how these systems will may be

3567
02:54:21,520 --> 02:54:24,960
abused now and in the future. I hope you

3568
02:54:24,960 --> 02:54:27,359
will join us in being proactive and

3569
02:54:27,359 --> 02:54:29,279
thinking about a better world that we

3570
02:54:29,279 --> 02:54:31,600
would like to live in.

3571
02:54:31,600 --> 02:54:36,070
>> Thank you.

3572
02:54:36,080 --> 02:54:39,040
» Yes. Well, again, thank you for the

3573
02:54:39,040 --> 02:54:41,680
presentation. I do really appreciate

3574
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:43,200
steps you've taken locally. You seem

3575
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:45,520
like you've been proactive more than

3576
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:47,200
what was required to be on top of a lot

3577
02:54:47,200 --> 02:54:49,520
of these concerns. I think it's clear

3578
02:54:49,520 --> 02:54:53,840
not everywhere has. Um but beyond just

3579
02:54:53,840 --> 02:54:55,600
potential for abuse, I also want to just

3580
02:54:55,600 --> 02:54:57,840
talk about what even the company does on

3581
02:54:57,840 --> 02:54:59,920
the surface. I understand that it's

3582
02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:03,279
taking still pictures, not technically

3583
02:55:03,279 --> 02:55:06,479
tracking you, but if there's cameras at

3584
02:55:06,479 --> 02:55:11,279
every corner, you can see here, here, that paints a very clear picture.

3585
02:55:11,279 --> 02:55:12,640
I understand the cameras are not

3586
02:55:12,640 --> 02:55:14,800
everywhere right now, but the push seems

3587
02:55:14,800 --> 02:55:16,800
to be to install more and more of them

3588
02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:20,000
and expand them to get to that point

3589
02:55:20,000 --> 02:55:23,040
that is effectively tracking.

3590
02:55:23,040 --> 02:55:24,800
Um, even the distinction with still

3591
02:55:24,800 --> 02:55:27,520
pictures between videos, a video is just

3592
02:55:27,520 --> 02:55:29,120
a lot of still pictures. If you put

3593
02:55:29,120 --> 02:55:31,040
enough still pictures together, you get

3594
02:55:31,040 --> 02:55:33,120
a very clear picture. It might not be 24

3595
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:35,600
frames per second. It might be one frame

3596
02:55:35,600 --> 02:55:37,600
per second, one frame every 10 seconds.

3597
02:55:37,600 --> 02:55:40,240
You can still clearly see what's going

3598
02:55:40,240 --> 02:55:43,520
on with that. Um,

3599
02:55:43,520 --> 02:55:45,520
this creates a database on everyone that

3600
02:55:45,520 --> 02:55:47,600
passes in front of these cameras whether

3601
02:55:47,600 --> 02:55:50,080
they committed a crime or not just in

3602
02:55:50,080 --> 02:55:52,960
the database ready to be looked up. I

3603
02:55:52,960 --> 02:55:55,439
think regardless of a technicality, I

3604
02:55:55,439 --> 02:55:57,040
know it's a legal gray area currently

3605
02:55:57,040 --> 02:55:58,560
going through the courts. I think that

3606
02:55:58,560 --> 02:56:02,469
makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

3607
02:56:02,479 --> 02:56:05,279
Um, I also don't really believe the

3608
02:56:05,279 --> 02:56:07,920
company's claims about still photos and

3609
02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:10,319
only tracking vehicles. Not in Evan

3610
02:56:10,319 --> 02:56:12,240
states, but in other places in Georgia,

3611
02:56:12,240 --> 02:56:14,800
there's lot cameras in parks, on walking

3612
02:56:14,800 --> 02:56:17,279
trails, places where cars would never

3613
02:56:17,279 --> 02:56:20,240
be. If all they can do is take pictures

3614
02:56:20,240 --> 02:56:23,279
of videos, what are those cameras doing?

3615
02:56:23,279 --> 02:56:26,160
It just doesn't seem to add up. The

3616
02:56:26,160 --> 02:56:31,920
company has been publicly called many, times before. I don't know why we

3617
02:56:31,920 --> 02:56:41,269
really trust them.

3618
02:56:41,279 --> 02:56:45,680
Greg Tendler, 712 Stratford Green.

3619
02:56:45,680 --> 02:56:48,080
>> Uh, Will Kidd, uh, 13 South Avenue

3620
02:56:48,080 --> 02:56:50,319
Plaza. Uh, thank you for addressing some

3621
02:56:50,319 --> 02:56:54,319
of our concerns, Chief. I just been

3622
02:56:54,319 --> 02:56:55,680
wondering throughout all of this in

3623
02:56:55,680 --> 02:56:58,160
discussion of lock cameras. Why would

3624
02:56:58,160 --> 02:57:00,720
like an a more analog type of traffic

3625
02:57:00,720 --> 02:57:03,120
camera not be sufficient? one that is

3626
02:57:03,120 --> 02:57:07,920
not included on this enormous nationwide

3627
02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:10,479
database with so many points of access

3628
02:57:10,479 --> 02:57:12,560
to so many different people who we have

3629
02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:16,399
no idea who they are. So that's that

3630
02:57:16,399 --> 02:57:17,439
makes sense.

3631
02:57:17,439 --> 02:57:20,479
>> Thank you.

3632
02:57:20,479 --> 02:57:22,720
>> Yeah, Phil,

3633
02:57:22,720 --> 02:57:25,600
Philip Pavish, 3230 Kensington. My whole

3634
02:57:25,600 --> 02:57:27,200
career has been in IT, so I just want to

3635
02:57:27,200 --> 02:57:29,359
talk about kind of the IT concern I

3636
02:57:29,359 --> 02:57:31,600
have. Um

3637
02:57:31,600 --> 02:57:32,800
I don't know about flock. I don't know

3638
02:57:32,800 --> 02:57:35,840
about the company how good they are but

3639
02:57:35,840 --> 02:57:37,439
once they deliver data to somebody

3640
02:57:37,439 --> 02:57:39,760
they've lost control of it. So the claim

3641
02:57:39,760 --> 02:57:42,000
about 14 days for 30 30 days of data

3642
02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:43,520
retention. Yeah you lose ability to

3643
02:57:43,520 --> 02:57:45,439
search but once it's out there it's out

3644
02:57:45,439 --> 02:57:47,680
there. And so if the data go you know

3645
02:57:47,680 --> 02:57:50,640
prints screen captures you know copy

3646
02:57:50,640 --> 02:57:52,960
paste whatever. We live in a world of

3647
02:57:52,960 --> 02:57:54,640
aggregation where people are taking all

3648
02:57:54,640 --> 02:57:55,920
this data about us and putting it all

3649
02:57:55,920 --> 02:57:57,279
together about where we shop and what we

3650
02:57:57,279 --> 02:57:59,120
do and photos. So once that data is

3651
02:57:59,120 --> 02:58:01,040
delivered to the customer, the data

3652
02:58:01,040 --> 02:58:03,040
retention, it's not a moot point, but

3653
02:58:03,040 --> 02:58:04,640
it's a lesser point. So I just want

3654
02:58:04,640 --> 02:58:06,000
people to remember that once it

3655
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:08,160
delivered, it's delivered. And the data

3656
02:58:08,160 --> 02:58:10,000
retention doesn't really stop that.

3657
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:15,990
Thank you.

3658
02:58:16,000 --> 02:58:18,893
» Yes, ma'am.

3659
02:58:18,893 --> 02:58:19,920
[clears throat]

3660
02:58:19,920 --> 02:58:23,040
>> Um, hello. I'm Ashley Kinger. I also

3661
02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:26,800
live at 3154 Stratford Green.

3662
02:58:26,800 --> 02:58:29,120
Uh, I understand that you find the block

3663
02:58:29,120 --> 02:58:31,840
system is successful, but I wonder if

3664
02:58:31,840 --> 02:58:33,680
it's worth all of us living in a

3665
02:58:33,680 --> 02:58:36,880
surveillance state. Uh, while you say

3666
02:58:36,880 --> 02:58:38,960
it's a snapshot, the success stories are

3667
02:58:38,960 --> 02:58:40,640
because it tracks people across the

3668
02:58:40,640 --> 02:58:43,600
state and over state lines. A system

3669
02:58:43,600 --> 02:58:45,600
across our country is being built that

3670
02:58:45,600 --> 02:58:47,600
have tracked women looking for abortion

3671
02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:49,840
care, have stalked women, have stopped

3672
02:58:49,840 --> 02:58:52,160
activists and protesters. What else will

3673
02:58:52,160 --> 02:58:54,800
it track in the future? and our cameras

3674
02:58:54,800 --> 02:58:57,680
contributes to this system. It would be

3675
02:58:57,680 --> 02:58:59,439
easier to arrest people without the

3676
02:58:59,439 --> 02:59:01,680
Constitution, without needing a warrant,

3677
02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:04,080
without having to prove just cause. Just

3678
02:59:04,080 --> 02:59:06,080
because these cameras make your job

3679
02:59:06,080 --> 02:59:09,983
easier doesn't mean they're right.

3680
02:59:09,983 --> 02:59:10,960
[clears throat]

3681
02:59:10,960 --> 02:59:12,960
It's the scale and connected network

3682
02:59:12,960 --> 02:59:15,600
that makes it a violation. It's also our

3683
02:59:15,600 --> 02:59:18,479
money and our community. uh we can say

3684
02:59:18,479 --> 02:59:20,479
if we don't want to be photographed in

3685
02:59:20,479 --> 02:59:22,720
public with our own tax dollars every

3686
02:59:22,720 --> 02:59:25,600
time I go past the falcon.

3687
02:59:25,600 --> 02:59:33,830
>> Thank you.

3688
02:59:33,840 --> 02:59:38,399
» Yes, Adam Galludo 3048 open place. Uh

3689
02:59:38,399 --> 02:59:40,479
back again still here.

3690
02:59:40,479 --> 02:59:43,040
>> Um so the 7-day thing is a setting. You

3691
02:59:43,040 --> 02:59:44,640
can revert it back to 30 days. It's just

3692
02:59:44,640 --> 02:59:47,520
a default setting. Um, the DHS thing,

3693
02:59:47,520 --> 02:59:50,640
check the email. It's a lot. Uh, the,

3694
02:59:50,640 --> 02:59:53,200
uh, let's see, facial recognition,

3695
02:59:53,200 --> 02:59:55,200
vehicle making model, those are full

3696
02:59:55,200 --> 02:59:57,439
video sensors. They can do it. Raven was

3697
02:59:57,439 --> 02:59:59,760
a gunshot detection system and then a

3698
02:59:59,760 --> 03:00:01,840
software roll out turned it into a human

3699
03:00:01,840 --> 03:00:04,000
distress detection system. It's all

3700
03:00:04,000 --> 03:00:05,359
there. Whether or not they're giving it

3701
03:00:05,359 --> 03:00:07,760
to us, that's a different question. Um,

3702
03:00:07,760 --> 03:00:10,560
also Dunwy PD, they ran a search for a

3703
03:00:10,560 --> 03:00:13,760
vehicle with a sticker. That's uh,

3704
03:00:13,760 --> 03:00:15,600
that's more. Yeah, it's you can find

3705
03:00:15,600 --> 03:00:18,080
this stuff. It's all been foyed. Um,

3706
03:00:18,080 --> 03:00:20,160
let's see. I don't know about John

3707
03:00:20,160 --> 03:00:21,760
Alvers. I don't know anything about him,

3708
03:00:21,760 --> 03:00:23,279
but there's some interesting stuff

3709
03:00:23,279 --> 03:00:25,680
online about uh Flock's access to Chris

3710
03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:28,160
Carr or AG. So, I'd be surprised if

3711
03:00:28,160 --> 03:00:30,240
Garrett doesn't show up at all meetings,

3712
03:00:30,240 --> 03:00:33,200
honestly. Um,

3713
03:00:33,200 --> 03:00:35,439
privacy argument is uh basically

3714
03:00:35,439 --> 03:00:38,319
predicated on the fact that they're so

3715
03:00:38,319 --> 03:00:40,560
disconnected, it's not tracking. Atlanta

3716
03:00:40,560 --> 03:00:42,560
is not the most sur the correction on

3717
03:00:42,560 --> 03:00:44,240
that is Atlanta is the most surveiled

3718
03:00:44,240 --> 03:00:47,279
city in the world outside of China. We

3719
03:00:47,279 --> 03:00:49,680
have 28 they have at least 28,000 flock

3720
03:00:49,680 --> 03:00:52,399
cameras and AJC clocks it at 60,000. I

3721
03:00:52,399 --> 03:00:53,439
just don't know if they're all connected

3722
03:00:53,439 --> 03:00:56,160
to flock. So at some point how dense

3723
03:00:56,160 --> 03:00:57,840
does it have to get before you are

3724
03:00:57,840 --> 03:01:01,680
tracking? Um so this system wasn't built

3725
03:01:01,680 --> 03:01:03,439
to be secure. It was built to make

3726
03:01:03,439 --> 03:01:05,600
money. I'm glad they finally added

3727
03:01:05,600 --> 03:01:07,520
multiple factor authentication and

3728
03:01:07,520 --> 03:01:08,960
requiring case numbers, but they didn't

3729
03:01:08,960 --> 03:01:12,000
before. Block is just plugging holes in

3730
03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:14,560
a dam after they're found in a foyer

3731
03:01:14,560 --> 03:01:15,920
request that makes a national news

3732
03:01:15,920 --> 03:01:17,680
story. So, if I was wearing that badge,

3733
03:01:17,680 --> 03:01:19,600
I would absolutely be arguing on how to

3734
03:01:19,600 --> 03:01:21,920
use this ethically because it's very

3735
03:01:21,920 --> 03:01:23,600
powerful and it's helpful, but we can't

3736
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:26,479
unfortunately. It's just bad. It's just

3737
03:01:26,479 --> 03:01:30,880
a bad system and we cannot control how

3738
03:01:30,880 --> 03:01:33,840
other people use it. So, we're part of

3739
03:01:33,840 --> 03:01:35,920
this thing trying to use it well, but we

3740
03:01:35,920 --> 03:01:37,680
can't control how everyone else is using

3741
03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:40,319
it. And we can't know if the company is

3742
03:01:40,319 --> 03:01:42,319
doing to us what they have

3743
03:01:42,319 --> 03:01:44,080
demonstrabably done to other

3744
03:01:44,080 --> 03:01:46,240
municipalities throughout. So,

3745
03:01:46,240 --> 03:01:48,880
unfortunately, we just can't use it.

3746
03:01:48,880 --> 03:01:50,800
It's a venture capital backed private

3747
03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:53,920
firm in their series G funding round.

3748
03:01:53,920 --> 03:01:56,319
>> They are uh what are they up to that we

3749
03:01:56,319 --> 03:01:58,960
can't foil is basically the question.

3750
03:01:58,960 --> 03:02:00,960
like how much policing do we have to be

3751
03:02:00,960 --> 03:02:03,760
doing of block to make sure we are not

3752
03:02:03,760 --> 03:02:05,520
participating in all these things we

3753
03:02:05,520 --> 03:02:09,359
know that have already happened nations

3754
03:02:09,359 --> 03:02:12,880
um yeah oh and and the cameras by the

3755
03:02:12,880 --> 03:02:14,960
way I've walked by cameras uh that are

3756
03:02:14,960 --> 03:02:18,080
pointed at kids parks um it's all there

3757
03:02:18,080 --> 03:02:19,760
pools stuff like that it's it's all

3758
03:02:19,760 --> 03:02:28,550
there thank you

3759
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:30,000
Yes.

3760
03:02:30,000 --> 03:02:32,080
>> So, I won't reiterate my entire

3761
03:02:32,080 --> 03:02:34,960
statement again, Lizzie Bourge, 712

3762
03:02:34,960 --> 03:02:37,520
Stratford Green. Um, but as per the

3763
03:02:37,520 --> 03:02:39,520
concerns mentioned in the regular

3764
03:02:39,520 --> 03:02:43,279
session about ICE having access to us

3765
03:02:43,279 --> 03:02:45,359
and I know that Flock says they've not

3766
03:02:45,359 --> 03:02:48,000
contract with federal agencies, but if

3767
03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:50,560
we can be compelled to work with ICE or

3768
03:02:50,560 --> 03:02:54,000
DHS as per appendix F that was mentioned

3769
03:02:54,000 --> 03:02:56,560
last meeting, then effectively our data

3770
03:02:56,560 --> 03:02:58,399
is their data. But I do think we have to

3771
03:02:58,399 --> 03:02:59,920
keep that in mind. We're thinking about

3772
03:02:59,920 --> 03:03:02,720
security. This is I understand Chief

3773
03:03:02,720 --> 03:03:04,560
Hess is doing everything he can to keep

3774
03:03:04,560 --> 03:03:06,960
it safe within ABPD and I appreciate

3775
03:03:06,960 --> 03:03:10,160
what you've done, but respectfully it's

3776
03:03:10,160 --> 03:03:21,510
out of your hands. Thank you.

3777
03:03:21,520 --> 03:03:26,746
» All right. Uh do we have any online?

3778
03:03:26,746 --> 03:03:26,880
>> [clears throat]

3779
03:03:26,880 --> 03:03:28,080
>> None.

3780
03:03:28,080 --> 03:03:30,640
>> Okay. All right. Last call from the

3781
03:03:30,640 --> 03:03:32,960
audience.

3782
03:03:32,960 --> 03:03:36,960
>> Is anybody missing a phone?

3783
03:03:36,960 --> 03:03:38,720
>> Oh,

3784
03:03:38,720 --> 03:03:43,349
personal tracking device.

3785
03:03:43,359 --> 03:03:44,560
» You don't think this thing is listening

3786
03:03:44,560 --> 03:03:46,560
to everything today?

3787
03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:51,120
>> Um, okay. Any other comments?

3788
03:03:51,120 --> 03:03:55,279
Once or twice? Okay. Thank you all for

3789
03:03:55,279 --> 03:03:56,800
being here. Thank you all for your

3790
03:03:56,800 --> 03:03:59,439
comments and and waiting through three

3791
03:03:59,439 --> 03:04:02,160
hours of meeting. I hope that it was

3792
03:04:02,160 --> 03:04:04,080
worthwhile in some way for you. Do

3793
03:04:04,080 --> 03:04:07,680
appreciate you being here this time with

3794
03:04:07,680 --> 03:04:11,200
that. Any folks comments up here? We all

3795
03:04:11,200 --> 03:04:14,800
>> Okay. So, do I have a motion to move?

3796
03:04:14,800 --> 03:04:18,160
>> Do I have a second? Call say I

3797
03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:20,160
>> Thank you all again.

3798
03:04:20,160 --> 03:04:23,640
>> Have a good evening.