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second meeting of the advisory committee

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on homelessness.

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Would it be beneficial for everyone?

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if to start we went around and just did

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names again as we start to learn one

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>> And I think that's true. That's not bad

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because the people joining us

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do a couple times as members I mean

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committee members.

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>> So I'll kick us north. My name is

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Carolyn Leer. I am the city manager. I'm

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uh Pat

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» I'm Pat Keton

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Bundle, director of marketing for

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Hollywood Casino.

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>> Um Tony, psychiatrist locally.

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>> Uh Ben Treat, director of Bangor Public

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Library.

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>> Hey now, my name is Jason Goodri.

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>> I am Melissa Rhodess, director of

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property management.

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>> Howdy. I'm Tal Vasquez. My pronouns are

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they them and I am a community organizer

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in the banker.

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>> Any staff in the background?

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>> I am Bruce Hughes. I'm the homeless

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response coordinator for public health

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and community services. And

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>> I'm Robin Stanicki. I'm the community

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development officer.

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» Right. So the first item on the agenda

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is to elect a chair, vice chair, and

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secretary for this committee. Um the way

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aligned with council normal procedures,

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which are to first take nominations um

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and then do committee vote. Um,

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if it's okay with everyone, we can start

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with the the chair. I mean, I said

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president. Did I say president?

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» The chair and the vice chair. Forgive my

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the conduct of meetings.

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myself.

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meet with the chair ahead of each

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meeting to help set the agenda and then

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fortunately for you all, we generally

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failure that's a pretty easy non-comm,

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report as well as a final thing.

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write this or it's going to be supported

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commitment that we would also use the

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officers kind of reviewing the cont

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identify the path of content and

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whatever it is and then they review

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content and then goes once they approve

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nominations for chair. Yeah, it includes

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self-nomination if anyone would like to

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nominate someone else like three?

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» I nominate Alvin.

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committee, too. I am respect.

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operational standpoint, it's generally

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extenduating circumstances, I think it's

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totally fine. Um but I think um and this

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everybody's remote. Exactly. Continuous

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remote. That's the only way to do it.

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guys are both subject matter experts and

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well respected in the community and and

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holding those qualifications.

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flows that work well and navigating kind

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what your experience has been like from

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your other committees and then maybe we

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split the if the plans continue beyond

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at a time. Now, this group, especially,

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>> You said you would nominate

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Amy.

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>> Yeah. As you can see, even me just like

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screaming in here at 5:15, that's like a

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typical day in the life of a clinician.

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I'm open to live stream.

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But yeah, but I think if you know, we

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should just take the ball and see.

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>> So, somebody has to put that in.

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>> Oh, do. So motion and a second and then

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>> Okay. Second.

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» Pat hat.

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>> Yes.

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>> J. The motion is for you.

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>> Lee.

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>> Melissa.

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>> That's fine. I'll answer.

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>> Teal.

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>> Amy.

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>> All right. is a unanimous 8 to zero.

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>> Now, do you want to take us over for the

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>> I can certainly give it a shot. Um, so

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obviously next is is vice chair. Um, so

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we'll open it up for discussion. Does

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anyone have strong feelings about who

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should be nominated vice chair?

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>> I like I would say Jason. I know Jason's

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been in this sort a lot. Uh, the only

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reason why I didn't say you is because I

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know that you're overworked. Hey Jason,

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I know I've seen you about I know what

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you're doing

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>> and you have the time. I've seen your posts. I know what's up, man. So,

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>> I'm going to nominate Jason.

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» Anybody else have strong feelings?

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>> Nominate.

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» So, should we do motions or

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>> So, we'll need motions and second.

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>> Okay. Um I introduce a motion to appoint

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Jay um as the vice chair.

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So we'll do a vote. Start to my left.

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I'll say yes.

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>> Yes.

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>> No.

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>> Yes.

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>> Is that a yes?

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>> Sorry. [laughter]

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go for it.

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>> I think I will vote yes. Um I think it

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sounded like it was going to go either

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way or go that way either.

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So then we have secretary um which as

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Caroline mentioned earlier is not the

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heaviest of lifts um because YouTube

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does the bulk of the work. Um everyone's

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looking at you Ben.

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>> Yeah, I know.

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>> It's just something about being a

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librarian. except for

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>> it imparts trust.

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[clears throat and laughter]

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>> Um, so

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>> I've seen the movie too.

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>> The secretary or the librarian?

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>> The librarian.

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>> Yeah. Um, uh, so basically it would just

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be like if if tech failed then I would

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need to record motions and

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>> yeah, I'm happy to do that.

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>> Does anyone else have any nominations?

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That's doubling down on the

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>> Seeing no more nominations, we will put

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it to vote.

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>> Do you need a second?

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>> Second.

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>> Oh, yes.

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>> Yes.

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>> Just got volunteer.

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>> Take better notes. [laughter]

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[clears throat]

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>> Right. So with that, we have elected our

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chair, our vice chair, and our

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secretary. And the next item on the

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agenda is the update on facilitator

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selection RFP. So I will hand that back

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to Karen.

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>> So um we posted an RFP on the 16th,

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which was lightning speed in city

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business. [laughter] Um and that RFP was

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soliciting um a facilitator for this

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work. As I mentioned, it also um

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included the possibility of drafting

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assistance.

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Um it closes on the 29th.

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We did get one question from a potential

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bidder.

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It was a professor from Texas that was

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interested and his question was

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two-part. It was would we be interested

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in a facilitator participating remotely

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for our meetings or would we be

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interested in a um facilitator who was

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only able to participate twice. So, we

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would only have them for two instances,

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perhaps for longer meetings. Um, and I

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will say that I did take the liberty to

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say I didn't think that that was going

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to be the most effective way

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[clears throat] for the facilitator to

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participate. Um, I hope you will forgive

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me.

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>> And on both accords or just on the two

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visits? I I said no on both that I

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didn't think that it would be effective.

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Um

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>> yeah,

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>> that's actually going to put a lot of

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work on it.

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>> For sure. Yeah.

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>> But it sounds like we still have time

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for other biders.

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>> Correct. Yeah. And that was just there

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their um biders had until I believe

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Wednesday of this week to submit

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questions. And so we only got

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>> noting they're just asking questions.

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They were just answering questions.

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Yeah.

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>> But I'm going to do this as

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>> um and I don't know, they don't tell me

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whether we've gotten any yet. Um

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>> and how long do you open that window

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open? [snorts]

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>> Um so it was posted the 16th, closes the

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19th. So um two weeks, which you know,

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if we don't get the types of responses,

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um we're interested in

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>> the 19th or the 29th.

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>> 29th.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Um we can open it back up. you know, but

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um I figured we'd start with a really

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brief period in hopes that we can get

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someone in here really quickly to help

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facilitate.

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>> Um and so my hope is because those the RFP process will be closed this week

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that by our next meeting I'll at least

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have some recommendations if not a

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selection. Um depending, you know, I

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think it kind of depends on what we get.

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um whether we just want to I think you

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sort of authorized me to sort of make

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the decision. If it's close and there's

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some really good candidates, I may ask

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for your input. Um

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we have that situation where we have

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lots of really wonderful candidates to

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choose from.

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>> Awesome. Any other on the RFP?

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>> Does anybody have suggestions that city

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could report in that?

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>> There was a great facilitator that the

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state used for

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>> [clears throat]

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>> strategic action plan around uh the HIV

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response that I could get the name of

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but I also think they're far away so I

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don't think I think it would be another

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situation where it be like one or two

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>> meetings they traveled all over the

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country but if I mean if we get to the

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end of the twoe period and there's just

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like nothing and we want to extend it I

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can always check

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>> how many hours we save

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>> so We estimated that um at minimum it

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would be the twohour participating in

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the meetings plus we explained work to

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repair to prepare [clears throat]

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um but we didn't sort of set an

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expectation on how many hours and what

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we asked for was an hourly rate so

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they're not being asked to bid you know

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$10,000 it's you know my hourly rate is

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x and then

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>> I mean if we don't get any candidates we

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can also maybe revisit whether or not we

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think trying somebody who is remote just

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to at least

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>> have that person in the room. Yeah. If

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nobody comes through in the RFP process,

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maybe that's a conversation we have at

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future meeting.

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>> The other thing also is by the time we

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make that decision to have consider that I'm guessing put us two meetings

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into it.

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>> So we would also have a good idea of

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momentum too.

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>> Yeah. So we can say oh wow we may not

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eat one because the fact that we

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actually

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say let's back that

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» but like I said it's the important thing

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is to get to work as quickly as possible

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because that's I think city wants to

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know people want it we want

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>> I think the University of Maine system

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um and their uh has in the like the

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chancellor's office some sort of

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function that trains facilitators. Um,

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so they may have like a list of people

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they've trained they can send it out to.

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>> I'll see if I can find a contact there

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and and forward it to you. Sure. Is it

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appropriate to

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>> Yeah. And I'll say I mean staff has our

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staff has worked with facilitators in

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various professional functions and you

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know they've freely forwarded those the

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RFP along to to them. I reached out to

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someone in New Brunswick who just said

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it was too far. Um, so I think you know

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to the extent we know people locally who

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are willing to do the work that would be

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wonderful.

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>> Information is like 8 to 10 years old.

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So I may have completely reorganized but

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you know

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» any other comment on

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facilitator.

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» Seeing none next uh item on the agenda

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is to discuss public comment structure

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and schedule. Um

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so bullet A is public input email. So

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you want to start with the email? Sure.

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So, um, staff have created an email that

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we can give to the public to receive

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emailed public input. It is

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homelessness. Committee at Bangormain

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>> homelessness.

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>> Y,

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» Bangor maine. Maine fully spelled

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out.gov.

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Is it up and running yet?

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>> It is. Yeah. Um and so myself and two

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members of my support staff have access

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to that. Okay.

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>> And so our plan will be to periodically

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provide you in your packet the input

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that we've received

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>> to avoid you getting

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emails after emails to your personal

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email. Um, and my question to you is,

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and I wanted to ask you before we just

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did this, are you okay with me asking

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city staff to do some public outreach on

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your behalf to, you know, post to social

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media and put out a press release saying

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this is a place that you can go to

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provide the community.

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>> Okay. My understanding from the previous

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meeting is that the email would be

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established and posted to socials in the

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interim and because that that seemed to

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be how the

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proposition of the email was phrased is

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this way to collect the public input

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while we didn't have a format. So, I'm

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all for it.

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>> Okay.

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» I did have a question about the city's

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agenda as well. Um, and maybe it's just

525
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another misunderstanding of mine, but I

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thought that we would have some of the

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research that we requested just later.

528
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>> It's in the agenda.

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» So, public input email, city staff, make

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sure everyone is on the same page. city

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staff is going to promote that, put it

532
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out in a press release, put it out to

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social and we're all in agreement with

534
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that. It's but one one thing also is

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it'll be helpful if some of the feedback

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that goes council people has brought it

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that way too because people may email

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specifically let's say Angela Walker

539
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about something

540
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>> that they be encouraged to centralize

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the same way rather shooting a separate

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email to all that.

543
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>> Okay. Absolutely. And I can I think

544
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that's actually a good point. There may

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be instances um generally the public

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emails council

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>> collectively and I also get a copy of

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that but if the public emails a

549
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counselor directly I don't get a copy of

550
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:22,480
that.

551
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,039
>> Y

552
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:24,240
>> which means that they may be getting

553
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,320
input that they may want to pass along

554
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,320
to you and I will communicate to them

555
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,400
>> and we don't want but only think that we

556
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,559
dismiss them because we never got it.

557
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:34,480
So, I think that we know that that's the

558
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,279
way to get to.

559
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,520
>> So, that's a good segue. I'm gonna go a

560
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,440
little off agenda here. Do we have a

561
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,720
council representative at this time?

562
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,039
>> We have not had a liaison assigned yet.

563
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,200
>> We haven't.

564
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,240
>> So, um

565
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,520
>> these are questions.

566
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,400
>> Sorry. And I heard Tony's question.

567
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,279
Yeah.

568
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:01,520
>> Um,

569
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,320
yes, I believe that. I mean, I I'm not

570
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,919
sure if the ordinance actually directs

571
00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:07,679
it or not. It does. So, yeah, the

572
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:11,200
council chair should assign a liaison.

573
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,120
We've chatted about it. She has not yet

574
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,200
made that assignment. So, I will take

575
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,760
that as a takeaway for my next check-in

576
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,480
with council chair hos to assign the

577
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,919
liaison.

578
00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:24,240
>> I think it's important to to your point

579
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,760
earlier, Tony, about they may get

580
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,200
messages and things like that. That's

581
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,039
the whole point of having that liaison

582
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:30,720
here is to be able to help articulate

583
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,600
those things,

584
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,120
>> but also to be able to articulate back

585
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,520
to council as a whole the things that we

586
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,360
are discussing. So,

587
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:38,720
>> I think that would just be a good thing

588
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,960
to generally educate the council on is

589
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,960
that we have this email now. And so if

590
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,400
people are getting concerns from

591
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,080
constituents, you know, maybe when

592
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,320
you're responding to them, maybe the top

593
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,480
uh level comment that you make should be

594
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,320
um hey, we've got the email um you know,

595
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,159
not to dismiss your point, but it might

596
00:27:58,159 --> 00:27:59,760
be

597
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,919
more adequately received if it comes

598
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:04,080
through this email.

599
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,000
>> So we don't have an ETA of when they're

600
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,600
going to assign.

601
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,640
I will uh prompt that for [laughter]

602
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,360
that. Um,

603
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,880
and if I might, would you like us to

604
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,960
craft a response acknowledging these

605
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,600
emails on your behalf? And would you

606
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,399
like to review that before we start

607
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:28,320
using it?

608
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,600
>> Like a canned response.

609
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,520
>> Yeah. like acknowledging that they've

610
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,000
received the emails you so that so that

611
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,000
people who email in under know that it's

612
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,200
been received

613
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,399
>> I don't think it just went to a black

614
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:39,679
hole a good idea

615
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:42,320
>> I think absolutely you guys should and I

616
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,159
mean I'm sure you do it for other

617
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:44,480
>> yes yes

618
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,399
>> email addresses so I don't think we need

619
00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:47,440
to review it

620
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,159
>> okay

621
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:54,870
>> unless somebody feels strongly otherwise

622
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,679
» so that was the email however the first

623
00:28:57,679 --> 00:28:59,679
primary bullet point was actually and

624
00:28:59,679 --> 00:29:02,559
started there just to make this clean um

625
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,399
public comment structure and schedule.

626
00:29:04,399 --> 00:29:05,919
So we had talked at our last meeting

627
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:08,880
about having um public forums if you

628
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,720
will for for folks to come in and share

629
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,760
their thoughts. Um does anyone have

630
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,559
feelings strong or otherwise on what

631
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:19,039
that cadence looks like?

632
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:20,799
>> You talked about having either a

633
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:22,880
separate forum time or 20 minutes before

634
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,279
each meeting. Um would be to be

635
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,440
>> I think we tabled the 20 minutes. Yeah,

636
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,279
I think 20 minutes.

637
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:30,880
I just not enough time.

638
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,679
>> I am in support of a independent forum

639
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:38,159
that is purely for um collecting

640
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:41,120
feedback and you know sort of feeling

641
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,200
out the community and what their

642
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,320
feelings on a the issue is and b um the

643
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,480
advisory. Um, [clears throat]

644
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,080
>> there's a part that wants to have like

645
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,440
two separate meetings, one like soon to

646
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,679
get some public feedback and another one

647
00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,840
halfway through just to see where just

648
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,600
guess give us a gauge of the

649
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,760
temperature, how they receiving it, how

650
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,600
they how they can hear because they're

651
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,640
hearing what we're doing anyway. So, um,

652
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,000
because that would be a nice way and

653
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,799
then you know you be compliment with the

654
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,039
middle part the email stuff. So I think

655
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,679
that'll give chance to do the one thing

656
00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:20,240
though is we do this especially if we do

657
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,640
a whole meeting we do have to put some

658
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,279
structure in because I I honestly I

659
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,159
worry this because it's so people so

660
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:29,520
passionate about this topic it's going

661
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,080
to turn into unfortunate school that you

662
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,000
don't want to have almost like nothing

663
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,159
gets done other than people just really

664
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:38,159
taking anger out at each other or

665
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:40,880
whatever. So you we got a way to support

666
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,120
their feedback but yet also giving

667
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,360
people some opportunities through the

668
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,440
feedback.

669
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,840
So what are what are the rules on that

670
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,840
front when it comes to public comment?

671
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,120
Are are we as a committee allowed to say

672
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,120
everyone gets three minuteed? I'm just

673
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,799
throwing them right.

674
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:00,320
>> Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys have structure?

675
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,399
>> So our typical structure

676
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:03,440
>> two minutes

677
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,760
>> three. So, three minutes. And it would

678
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,440
also be appropriate if you were

679
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,240
interested to set a maximum duration.

680
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,840
So, for example, for a city council

681
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,559
meeting, um they'll do no more than an

682
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:15,440
hour.

683
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,960
>> If you're holding a meeting specifically

684
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,559
for public input, maybe you want to do

685
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,600
more than an hour. Um but yeah, it would

686
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,960
be certainly within your um purview to

687
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,399
set parameters and then we could

688
00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:28,399
communicate that proactively as part of

689
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:30,240
the notification so people's

690
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,880
expectations aren't are met. um they

691
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,760
don't come in thinking they're going to

692
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,399
have 15 minutes and they only have three

693
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:37,679
>> and of course I'm guessing there would

694
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:39,039
be guidelines about like nothing

695
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:40,720
derogatory.

696
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,320
Now the other thing too is would there

697
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,600
be um the chair have the authority to

698
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,399
say um okay appreciate your time but

699
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:49,840
that has nothing to do with the homeless

700
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,320
community.

701
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,159
>> Yes. So, we have a whole um public

702
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:56,080
comment policy and we would just deem if

703
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,679
you if you wanted to follow that policy,

704
00:31:57,679 --> 00:31:59,200
we would deem that that policy would

705
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,880
apply and that would give the chair the

706
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,640
authority if you come in and start

707
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,840
talking about something completely

708
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,039
unrelated or um

709
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,600
>> use obscene language.

710
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,720
>> Just going to ask if we could have that

711
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,960
policy distributed to our emails,

712
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,519
>> at least mine.

713
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,440
>> That would be for us to take a look at

714
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,039
>> that. I mean that way it doesn't take up

715
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,720
actual like advisory time but we can

716
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,080
just pour over it and we find anything

717
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,480
truly heinous in there we can be like

718
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,080
that.

719
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,519
>> I suspect there won't be anything like

720
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:34,240
that.

721
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,120
>> You never know.

722
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,120
>> I know the city of you never know.

723
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,840
>> Okay. So it sounds like we are pretty

724
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,600
well in agreement that we want a

725
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,720
separate meeting. Um, so talking about

726
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,480
cadence, um, and I know you'd mentioned

727
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,640
maybe one and then six months, but as

728
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,120
far as that first one goes,

729
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,519
respecting everyone's time as we talked

730
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,039
about a little bit earlier, do we think

731
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,159
it makes sense to use our next what

732
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:02,080
would be our next scheduled committee

733
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,240
meeting to hold the public public forum?

734
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,000
Should we go two in the road or should

735
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,720
it be a completely separate

736
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,120
time? What are people's thoughts? if we

737
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,840
can avoid a completely separate time. Um

738
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,960
I know that when I was asking um when

739
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,200
the position was offered and we were

740
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,600
talking one of the questions I had was

741
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,240
like how frequently are we expecting the

742
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,240
committee to meet. It was not the

743
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,760
frequency that we're meeting now. It was

744
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,279
significantly less. Um so I can tell you

745
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,600
I can't accommodate certainly more than

746
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,720
what we're doing now. Um,

747
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,200
so I would

748
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,000
that it not be an additional meeting.

749
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,519
>> I think also especially again summer

750
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,760
looks like I'll be around for that. And

751
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,399
I think

752
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:52,640
I'm I'm hoping that because it's this

753
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,080
early infancy, we're trying to get all

754
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,440
the logistics, get some data

755
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,480
that we can start diving up that we

756
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,679
don't need two weeks to do stuff. We

757
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:05,039
should have a touch base. Maybe maybe

758
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,279
the exact group every two weeks with

759
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,440
some key. Hey, this week I may need Amy

760
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,560
to come in or something like that. This

761
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,879
week you know I may need you know

762
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:14,800
someone else to come in. So I think that

763
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,320
I could see that happening but right now

764
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,679
at least with summer I wouldn't do a

765
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:18,800
separate meeting just because I don't

766
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,280
think any

767
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,000
>> I know I support that totally Tony

768
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,480
because

769
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,960
again like if I'm not at work I have

770
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,560
three kids that I'm taking care of and

771
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,359
when I am at work for instance today in

772
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:36,639
a 4-hour period I saw 17 patients

773
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,599
because I have walk-in hours too. So,

774
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,200
um, yeah, the less frequent the easier

775
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,800
it is for me to make sure that I can get

776
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,149
here and get here on time and devote.

777
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,760
So Amy and other advisory members, um,

778
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,440
how do you feel about like a format

779
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,280
where there are some of us who are sort

780
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,240
of like designated members of a forum

781
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,000
group who attend like this

782
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,240
forum meeting that would not be part of

783
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,960
the regular schedule and

784
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,000
>> like a public comment?

785
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,160
>> Yeah, like a public comment.

786
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,000
>> Yeah. And then that information would

787
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,760
just be consolidated in the packet for

788
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,560
you to review.

789
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,960
>> How often say how often is that going to

790
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,680
happen?

791
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,920
>> What I I would want to know if Amy is,

792
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,680
you know, is okay with it.

793
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,359
>> Yeah. Like if what you're asking is if

794
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:32,720
we were to have a separate meeting

795
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,560
differently from our regular scheduled

796
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,400
Tuesday meetings, is it okay if some of

797
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,480
us are not able to attend? I'm fine with

798
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,000
that. Um as long as the group is fine

799
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,960
with that. I don't know

800
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,079
>> I I just don't I mean my my my thought

801
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,720
is I wish I was hoping that that would

802
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,599
be few because really it should be the

803
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,520
group entire group listens to comment

804
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,720
that's just

805
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:55,359
>> that's very

806
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:58,000
>> so one

807
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:58,240
yeah

808
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,520
>> but I don't want I don't see

809
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,280
>> um see the plus side in terms of us half

810
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,040
the group missing the comments

811
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,119
>> and reading it because you know because

812
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:10,960
I'm guessing to some degree we can even

813
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,560
ask questions from you someone making

814
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,480
comments and hey, can you clarify what

815
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,000
that means? I can't get that through

816
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:16,800
being a transfer.

817
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,680
>> That's true.

818
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,599
>> Yep. I think that's a very that's a fair

819
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,720
and valid point. So, I would say if if

820
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,240
we think everyone should be there, which

821
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,400
I'm also totally fine with. Um I would

822
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,000
just personally ask that it be on a

823
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,920
Tuesday.

824
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,880
>> And this doesn't stop chair any of us at

825
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,000
some point say, hey, you know what? We

826
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,119
need a special meeting. Just ask

827
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,280
specifically about this. Yep. And then

828
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,839
people can come to give that feedback

829
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:41,280
whether that's priority but it's just

830
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,359
for the general piece because you know

831
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:48,320
it's also it's helpful comments we need

832
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,320
to get the work done. So the comments

833
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,839
going to give us some guidance where it

834
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:53,920
start to work and then you know we hope

835
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,960
that they won't do what they put forth

836
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,960
and again you know we may not hit every

837
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,280
comment we may not hear as you said so

838
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,920
at least give us a road map but we won't

839
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,270
make every

840
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,640
one thing we can walk away

841
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,310
>> as much as we can

842
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,560
» I think to suggest we do this like in

843
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,839
two weeks like that we just

844
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:20,880
Y

845
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,119
>> get in. Let's do that meeting.

846
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:24,960
>> Especially knowing that if if the hope

847
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200
is to get a facilitator, we're not going

848
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,880
to have one here in two weeks. So, we

849
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,720
might as well be efficient with their

850
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,240
time and utilize that

851
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,520
>> to get public on

852
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,400
>> I was just say, do we think putting a

853
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,480
timeline on that like

854
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,880
>> hour like you were saying? I feel like

855
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,400
you normally if we're here two hours

856
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,240
like I feel like two hours a long time

857
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:50,069
to you know

858
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:51,440
» but that's just

859
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,680
>> and I think it depends too on the the

860
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,200
cadence right where this is the first

861
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,720
one we may want to have that extra time

862
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:00,720
um I mean just because that this is

863
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,240
going to be the one where the most

864
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,920
people will likely show up

865
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,560
>> and [clears throat] you can also

866
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,560
encourage people for in interest of time

867
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,000
what they're you know whatever they can

868
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,480
submit their comments using this get it

869
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,240
out you know and then we And then that

870
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,320
takes it may not be in a whole hour and

871
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,920
a half, two hours, I don't know. So,

872
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,760
>> well, I mean, if only 10 people show up.

873
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,320
>> Yeah,

874
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,119
>> it might be shorter. Um, but I think

875
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:25,200
from a from a scheduling, just being

876
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,480
optimistic. Come on. [laughter] Um,

877
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,160
>> from a from a like public perception um

878
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,800
public need place, I think having that

879
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,760
two hours probably make at least for the

880
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,400
first one. Um, but that would bring me

881
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,880
back to do we think that the next

882
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,560
scheduled meeting is the right time and

883
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,480
is that enough time for city to get word

884
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,400
out and feel like we can make sure

885
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,839
people know.

886
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:51,520
>> So that's something that I have a lot of

887
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,200
strong feelings about. I feel like if we

888
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,640
just do one sort of introductory public

889
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,960
comment meeting, we are at risk of just

890
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,480
soliciting

891
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,680
the most tokenistic, most accessible

892
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,839
opinions because people who might have

893
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:11,599
scheduling issues, people like Amy who

894
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,359
have children at home in a full-time job

895
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:15,440
are not going to be able to attend that

896
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,839
one meeting that's in our regular

897
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:19,839
format. you know, we're not we're we're

898
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:23,520
at risk of not capturing a

899
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,839
wide enough or, you know, heartfelt

900
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:30,800
enough

901
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,800
group of public comment. And

902
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,560
>> I think that's the value of the email,

903
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,320
too.

904
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,000
>> But I I also understand majority of the

905
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,680
folks that I'm caring for don't have

906
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,760
easy email access or reliable email

907
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,119
access. And there's a fair amount of

908
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,880
work that goes into needing to get to a

909
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,960
computer and get someone's computer and

910
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,800
then checking the computer and all the

911
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,560
things. So, but I think that's a I think

912
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,079
that's a fair point.

913
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:55,599
>> The other thing else is use this first

914
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,440
meeting, get a gauge what it's like

915
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,839
before we decide if I know.

916
00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:01,040
>> I I'll agree with that.

917
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,320
>> Yeah, because that way you can see,

918
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,240
okay, only one person show up and okay,

919
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,240
then we deal with that. But if we had

920
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,160
got a like, you know, line packed up

921
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,920
here, okay, we do need to have something

922
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,800
separate

923
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,920
>> on top of that.

924
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,960
>> I agree with that, you know.

925
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,560
>> Yeah.

926
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,480
Um the other thing I'll say and I don't

927
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,520
think we need to workshop this

928
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,000
uh to completion here is the committee

929
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,800
may want to do some amount of meeting

930
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,560
people where they are and getting

931
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,480
comment. Um

932
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,320
>> and so we don't have to do all of the

933
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,720
public comment gathering here. We may

934
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:34,160
want to reach out to maybe some

935
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,920
stakeholders who are interested in

936
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,839
posting maybe not all nine of you

937
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:40,079
because that might be overwhelming but

938
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,560
posting a contingency.

939
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,119
We do have some outreach experts here.

940
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:48,160
>> I fully support I fully support going

941
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,839
and meeting people where they are.

942
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:52,240
Obviously, it's my pretty much my entire

943
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,040
job.

944
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,160
>> Um so yeah, I think that's a great idea.

945
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,319
>> I had somebody reach out about a meeting

946
00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:00,640
that happens every second Monday, a

947
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,640
leadership committee. Um uh

948
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,200
Jesse Arshbalt is the person who reached

949
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,160
out. And so I I uh that that might be a

950
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,200
good opportunity for a group of four of

951
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,880
us, like whatever it takes to not be a

952
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,599
public meeting that we didn't advertise,

953
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,920
right? You know, uh so that we're not

954
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,200
violating any laws. Um uh so like three

955
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,280
or four of us could go to a meeting like

956
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,160
that and hear what folks have to say. Um

957
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,480
I'd be happy to reach out to her

958
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,040
>> that the only one

959
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,119
>> was Monday. The one thing I would do

960
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,280
then you can just behind the scenes is

961
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,720
like set up some guidelines what we're

962
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,000
going to do if you're going to send me

963
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,240
and him out. What are things that we

964
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:43,839
could do or shouldn't do out there

965
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:45,119
because we don't have the group to back

966
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,599
us up. So yeah,

967
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,280
>> so he can set up some guidelines. Hey,

968
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,800
we only listen feedback. We're not

969
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,440
giving you opinions about anything that

970
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,680
>> I literally have that thing that the

971
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,079
city solicitor told us to say up on my

972
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:06,710
computer screen.

973
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,680
like the fear of God

974
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,960
>> that will please the city solicitor

975
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,839
>> and it's on record

976
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:17,680
too

977
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:24,309
solic

978
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:28,960
» so it sounds like uh we're in near

979
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,200
agreement that the next meeting should

980
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,960
be a public comment meeting. Is that

981
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,359
>> Yes.

982
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:34,160
>> accurate?

983
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,839
>> We need a motion to make that happen or

984
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:37,200
[clears throat] is that a I don't think

985
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:37,680
so. But

986
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,359
>> can we bundle the one hour time frame in

987
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:40,720
that motion?

988
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,560
>> So we we're thinking of limiting it to

989
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,880
one hour or are we thinking going our

990
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,680
schedule two hours?

991
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,520
>> I'm okay with two if

992
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,960
>> we could do.

993
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,200
>> No, you go too. I

994
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,400
>> was going to say we could do split

995
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,839
difference. Do one hour of comment and

996
00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:59,280
then one hour of discussion of comment.

997
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,280
I'll do an hour half comment 30 minutes.

998
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,319
>> Sure. That's perfect.

999
00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:04,800
>> Love it.

1000
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,630
>> Nothing. It's not amenable.

1001
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,760
» Yeah, we'll be doing

1002
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,470
>> the chair.

1003
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,720
If we publish that we are going to take

1004
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:23,119
public comment um until say 6:30 um and

1005
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,520
we get one person that shows up at

1006
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,200
opening. Do we have to remain until 6:30

1007
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,319
or is that

1008
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:32,560
>> we'll publish it to be up to

1009
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:32,960
>> okay

1010
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,800
>> a particular amount of time. So I'll say

1011
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,960
up to an hour and a half of public

1012
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:37,359
comment

1013
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,440
>> but you know I can print out any email

1014
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,720
feedback. So

1015
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,359
>> if we have let's say you know low this

1016
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:45,040
is where you can read off a comment from

1017
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,160
somebody.

1018
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,440
>> So I actually have a question about the

1019
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,920
email feedback just appreciating that

1020
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,280
volume

1021
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,359
>> and management of that like is there an

1022
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:59,200
expectation that each email gets

1023
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,079
acknowledged and addressed and if so if

1024
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,280
we're getting a very large volume how we

1025
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,720
want to navigate that or do we want to

1026
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,040
cross that bridge when we get to it? So,

1027
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,599
if I understand correctly, when somebody

1028
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,280
sends in the email, they'll get

1029
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,400
essentially a bounce back or not a

1030
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,240
bounce back, but a response, automated

1031
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:17,359
response saying, "Hey, we've

1032
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:20,240
acknowledged your city staff is going to

1033
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:21,599
bundle that

1034
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,280
>> uh into a packet. Just send that to us

1035
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,240
in bulk,

1036
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,200
>> right? And then once it Sorry,

1037
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:27,520
>> go ahead.

1038
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,240
>> Did you have more to say?"

1039
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:32,480
>> No, you um once we get that in bulk,

1040
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,760
when do we do we review that at the next

1041
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,599
meeting? Do we review those at a public

1042
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:39,599
comment meeting? Like when do those get

1043
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:41,760
looked at by us? Because I can imagine

1044
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,280
if you know, say they're 20 emails every

1045
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,440
couple of weeks, that's a lot of public

1046
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,520
comment for us to manage and sort

1047
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,720
through each meeting.

1048
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:53,599
>> Can we have like

1049
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:54,480
>> how does that

1050
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,800
>> can we have that information archived?

1051
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,119
And

1052
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:58,800
>> it's all it has to be,

1053
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,160
>> right? I I what I mean is like

1054
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,560
for the express purposes of you know

1055
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,720
like our our

1056
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,760
review you know like outside of that way

1057
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,319
we are truly capturing everything. But

1058
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:17,359
if we're getting like 15 hate comments

1059
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:19,760
and five comments from, you know,

1060
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,440
stakeholders,

1061
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,720
um, you know, we we can look, you know,

1062
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:26,160
look through that database oursel and

1063
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,680
say, "Okay, well, that's a hate comment

1064
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,839
skip." You know,

1065
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:32,800
>> I I'm guess I'm I'm hoping that I don't

1066
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,160
as a committee, we don't have to deal

1067
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,720
with any emails that don't apply to us.

1068
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:37,760
you know, if it's something that's

1069
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,760
inappropriate, something that, you know,

1070
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,920
just talk about, you know, parking

1071
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,240
committee doesn't come to us and we just

1072
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:47,040
deal with what's here and then Yeah, it

1073
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,800
probably makes it too. And then and

1074
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,599
again, my I was wondering if it's

1075
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,839
possible that maybe you and talk

1076
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:55,680
separately. I'm actually more interested

1077
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:56,960
in the themes that come [clears throat]

1078
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,480
out. Sure. If 12 50 emails Paul has the

1079
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,880
same theme about you know homeless

1080
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,599
individuals on you know Cedar Street

1081
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:07,440
okay then that's a different discussion

1082
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,920
than reading every 15 you know 50 emails

1083
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,400
right

1084
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,400
>> so that could be a way for you folk to

1085
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,240
figure out process identifying hey we've

1086
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:15,760
noticed all the things that came out all

1087
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,280
these feedback we have

1088
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,560
>> so I I think you're absolutely right um

1089
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,800
that is one but I also think that as

1090
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,160
we're sending these out or we're getting

1091
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,760
these emails as community members

1092
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,760
reviewing them and then we are seeing

1093
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,560
themes that that because I might not see

1094
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,800
a theme that you may see or that Ben

1095
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,960
might see um and then sharing that so

1096
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,400
that it gets added to the agenda. I

1097
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,480
think that's how we address it. So we

1098
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,040
all

1099
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,520
>> there's not like an expected we have to

1100
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,960
have an individual response to each and

1101
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,790
every

1102
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,160
let's say depend on volume I mean I

1103
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,079
don't have no idea what that you decided

1104
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,240
to sh like each of us get five emails

1105
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:57,430
take a look at what's in common

1106
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,560
this

1107
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,240
>> yeah I mean we can we can look at that I

1108
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:01,440
mean I think once we understand the

1109
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,240
volume

1110
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,160
>> yeah keeping in mind that realistically

1111
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,839
early on we're going to have probably

1112
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:08,560
the largest volume Um and in that

1113
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,560
instance I do actually think it would

1114
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,880
and open to other suggest but I think if

1115
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,640
we're reviewing all of those and I know

1116
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,079
it's timeconuming and we're all

1117
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,720
incredibly busy um but then again

1118
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,480
everybody has a different perspective

1119
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,319
you may pick up on a pattern that the

1120
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:24,160
rest of us aren't and be able to say hey

1121
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,160
can we add this to the agenda

1122
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,480
>> so that not the next meeting the

1123
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,800
following meeting um we have like that's

1124
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,800
sort of making the basis of our agenda

1125
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,720
moving forward is is okay these are the

1126
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,560
themes we've gotten from public comment.

1127
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Here's what we've seen from the data.

1128
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,839
Here's how we can start having

1129
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:43,760
meaningful conversations to address

1130
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,800
these themes and the data.

1131
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,480
>> So, is that something that we could just

1132
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,400
like self-direct if we had access to

1133
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,079
this archive of emails? We could pour

1134
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,079
over them, extract some themes, and if

1135
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:54,800
any [clears throat] of us felt

1136
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,240
passionately about a theme that we

1137
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:57,599
encountered in the wild, we would be

1138
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,319
like, "Okay, well, you know, let's bring

1139
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:02,640
it to the advisory and hear what Alton

1140
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,280
has to say." Well, and I think hear what

1141
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,359
the committee has to say. Uh, [laughter]

1142
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:10,640
>> yeah, I think if I'm understanding

1143
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,720
correctly, Carol,

1144
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,240
>> it will all have access to all the

1145
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,920
emails. It'll be part of the packet.

1146
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,599
>> I was planning to make it essentially

1147
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:19,040
every week. I would

1148
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,640
>> every email will be printed.

1149
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,319
>> Well, I'll include it in your PDF

1150
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:24,160
packet. You certainly aren't obligated

1151
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,839
to print them out, but it will

1152
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:28,559
eventually be part of the public record

1153
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,920
of the work of this committee by being a

1154
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,720
attachment to this packet. Great.

1155
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,119
>> Will it be on the website or the general

1156
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,040
public? Will he

1157
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,720
>> Oh, great. Can we put something on the

1158
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:42,319
email

1159
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:45,599
um social media that whatever is emailed

1160
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:49,040
to this address will become public

1161
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,000
because

1162
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,760
>> I just feel like that that would be

1163
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,880
something that people might not be

1164
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,800
immediately aware of.

1165
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,480
>> But you should also be aware that

1166
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,480
everything you email the city of Bangor

1167
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,240
is public.

1168
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,680
>> But you're right, not everyone has that

1169
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,040
understanding. So that might be some

1170
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,800
language we want to make sure we add to

1171
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,000
the response email.

1172
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,280
>> We can put it into the automated

1173
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:12,230
response. Yep. Any

1174
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,880
other questions or comments on public

1175
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,470
comment?

1176
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,319
So, next meeting will be public comment.

1177
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:23,440
Following meeting, we'll get into our

1178
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,520
regular routine. Do we want to talk

1179
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,599
about ongoing or do we want to

1180
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:30,160
start with

1181
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,119
>> I really want to start getting into

1182
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,044
Robin.

1183
00:49:35,044 --> 00:49:36,880
[laughter]

1184
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,960
No sir, I would look at and once we get

1185
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,960
that, we can go from there.

1186
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,640
>> I'm in agreement.

1187
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,240
>> Awesome. All right. Well, then moving on

1188
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,480
to uh city staff info and data,

1189
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,240
>> which Dr. Tony,

1190
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,280
>> I would sucking it off. She can say

1191
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,480
Bruce would do it.

1192
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,640
>> I gave up my chair. We pulled another

1193
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,960
one over and the three staff people all

1194
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,119
tabled up and I can

1195
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:00,960
>> disappear.

1196
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:01,680
>> Don't do that.

1197
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,200
>> Yeah, don't do that. You

1198
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,439
>> Nothing would make me happy.

1199
00:50:08,449 --> 00:50:16,950
» [laughter]

1200
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,400
» You're all

1201
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,319
>> good.

1202
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:22,240
>> Mr. chair,

1203
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,880
if it pleases you and this committee and

1204
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,440
my contemporary,

1205
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,079
I thought that what we might do is I

1206
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:33,200
could introduce the structure of the

1207
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,800
memo and talk about the data sources

1208
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,040
and then have David and Bruce talk about

1209
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,520
the the data specifically

1210
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,240
if that sounds like a good approach when

1211
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,240
I can come in and kind of build out

1212
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:51,119
whatever might be.

1213
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:52,800
Okay.

1214
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,359
>> So, in your memo here, we have compiled

1215
00:50:57,359 --> 00:51:00,480
what we know from city sources and

1216
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,760
available sources that we are that we

1217
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,960
commonly interact with. We were not able

1218
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,920
to pull new raw data and analyze it in

1219
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,079
preparation for today's meeting. So,

1220
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,960
I'll preface this by saying we

1221
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,480
understand that these are ongoing

1222
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,440
conversations and we can drill down into

1223
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,520
anything that you see here at any time.

1224
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,280
So, we organized this data into five

1225
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,000
domains to kind of create some buckets

1226
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,079
um and give us a little bit of structure

1227
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,240
for your discussion. So we talk about

1228
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:39,200
the scope and characteristics of the

1229
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,280
homeless population

1230
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,599
um faces and places. We talk about uh

1231
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:49,119
the conditions leading to homelessness.

1232
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:50,960
We wanted to address some of your

1233
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,720
questions regarding population movement.

1234
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,280
And then there are two other domains

1235
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,480
that we felt were really really chunky

1236
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,520
and we could give you an entire meeting

1237
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,079
just covering the homeless response

1238
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:09,520
system and then also the individual and

1239
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,000
community impacts. So at a later uh date

1240
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,079
we'll we'll build all of those things

1241
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,200
out for you. Um but we felt like there

1242
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,520
was a lot here.

1243
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:27,040
Um so to pull the different plans

1244
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,680
studies and reports

1245
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,000
I have listed them here and everybody

1246
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,319
has a link so you can go in and you can

1247
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:36,960
look at that source material. We've

1248
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,640
given you the data in a very distilled

1249
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,440
format. You can go back into all of

1250
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,440
these documents and look for some

1251
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,720
context if that is helpful. and we'll

1252
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,040
also try to build that out for you here

1253
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,480
if you um request it.

1254
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:00,079
Some notes about data though and and I don't want to assume that everyone

1255
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,000
is a data geek like me. Um but if many

1256
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,960
of you are working in

1257
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,359
um a field where you're touching social

1258
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:13,040
issues, you might know that not every

1259
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,000
data point is measuring the same thing

1260
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,760
as the data point next to it. And and

1261
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,319
homeless data is really no different. um

1262
00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:27,440
the geographic boundaries, the

1263
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,400
populations, the encounter types, all of

1264
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,440
these things mean that one number is not

1265
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,640
always measuring the other number. Um,

1266
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,920
and a good example of this is a one

1267
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,599
night count of those that are sheltered

1268
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:47,440
or unsheltered homeless is not also the

1269
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,640
same number that you can report in any

1270
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,920
other count of how many homeless

1271
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,480
individuals we have in the city. And for

1272
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,599
that same reason, whoever is collecting

1273
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:03,920
the data also has their own geographic

1274
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,640
scope and aim for that data. So they

1275
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,079
might be measuring it a little bit

1276
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:09,599
differently.

1277
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:13,839
Our our continuum of care measures data

1278
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:17,599
in a hub which for our hub is three

1279
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,800
counties. Ponobskot County also collects

1280
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,880
countywide data. The state collects

1281
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,319
statewide data. And so at times I'm

1282
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:30,480
giving you numbers that are not only

1283
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,079
describing the city specifically, but

1284
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:38,079
what we can offer is that potentially in

1285
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,720
some of these numbers, you could create

1286
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,839
some assumptions about to what degree

1287
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:46,640
that number does describe the people

1288
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,000
that come through here. If you know if

1289
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,240
the city as a service center is

1290
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,640
providing services then maybe a

1291
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,839
countywide number describes

1292
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:00,160
something related to the services that

1293
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,599
are provided in the city.

1294
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:05,920
We also talk about a couple of um

1295
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,480
different terms um just to kind of make

1296
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,760
sure that everyone has a good

1297
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,440
foundation. Um the point in time count

1298
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,119
when we talk about the point in time

1299
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:18,240
count it's a one January night that a

1300
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,599
bunch of volunteers and staff go out and

1301
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:23,839
make contact with the number of

1302
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:25,839
individuals that they are able to count

1303
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:29,119
on a single night. Um it's so it's not

1304
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:32,960
an estimate of of that total. Um we also

1305
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,680
talk about service utilization. So these

1306
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,359
are encounters and visits, shelter beds.

1307
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:41,680
We're talking about capacity in a lot of

1308
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,599
those measures.

1309
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,880
Um, we think about data in terms of

1310
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,160
unique people, but we understand that

1311
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,880
you might have a unique person that

1312
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,880
visits every service. And so they are

1313
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,599
counted multiple times.

1314
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:01,920
And so you're going to see numbers that

1315
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,760
might describe the same people.

1316
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,680
And then we talk about you know the

1317
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,480
definition of homelessness is different

1318
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:15,119
for many different uh sets of numbers.

1319
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,880
So for the school their definition of

1320
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:23,280
homelessness is lacking a fixed regular

1321
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,640
nighttime residence. The HUD definition

1322
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,280
of homelessness is not having a suitable

1323
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,040
place for habitation. So in those ways

1324
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,839
you have a number that describes a very

1325
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:40,000
different condition of homelessness than

1326
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,160
the other. And so then you might

1327
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,680
compound some of that to say well what

1328
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,680
about the data for those who are at risk

1329
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,559
of homelessness again another data. So,

1330
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,160
it's really important to just kind of

1331
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,040
look at what is the data attempting to

1332
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,880
describe and make sure that we um uh

1333
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,040
ensure that we're not kind of dragging

1334
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,559
that same definition of the data to

1335
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:08,559
another data point because we could

1336
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:11,040
>> is the variation in definitions or

1337
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,000
whatever criteria they're using based on

1338
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,880
their funding requirements because like

1339
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,160
you would think well everybody want to

1340
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,599
use HU definition because it's

1341
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,000
equalizing playing field. But I

1342
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,359
understand that some funding may say,

1343
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:24,880
"Well, this is what I'm paying you money

1344
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,400
for." That you have to look for how many

1345
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,599
people and that's why they change

1346
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:30,799
quality data to reflect that. So, do you

1347
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:32,720
think that's the difference why people

1348
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,079
are different in terms of what they're

1349
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:35,280
looking for?

1350
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,680
>> I think in some cases it can, like I

1351
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,880
said, it it could be that the intended

1352
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,680
use of the data is different from who

1353
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,040
collects it. Okay. But [clears throat]

1354
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,040
another reason could be that the data um

1355
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,680
that they're looking for

1356
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,119
is is compounded or the approach to

1357
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,119
collecting that data occurs at different

1358
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,599
times in which your concept of what is

1359
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:03,599
an equitable measure is different. So

1360
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,839
that definition might have occurred many

1361
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:08,559
years down the line in you know a best

1362
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:11,200
practice. For example,

1363
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,040
>> Samson and Hut are a good example of

1364
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,799
that. in the sense that have different

1365
00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:16,640
definitions of the two different funding

1366
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,400
structures but a lot of times you end up

1367
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,480
with over overlapped requirements on the

1368
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,520
person

1369
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,680
>> and you know and and not to be cynical

1370
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,559
about but I know sometimes the data

1371
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:28,319
you almost use the data to answer

1372
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:30,319
pre-existing

1373
00:58:30,319 --> 00:58:33,040
conclusion you have to say that oh see

1374
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,440
the data shows like 100% of these people

1375
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,000
all involved in crime when or 100% are

1376
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,839
you know medical issues 100% involved

1377
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:41,680
mental health because you look for that

1378
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,319
data versus someone who basically have a

1379
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:46,079
neutral slate to see okay what is the

1380
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:49,119
difference what is the variation so I

1381
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:51,040
think that's something just again at the

1382
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,240
end of the day it depends on who's

1383
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,200
asking for the data and tally it

1384
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,760
>> right question why they're collecting

1385
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:58,319
that data

1386
00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:01,839
>> right and in some cases the data is due

1387
00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:04,880
to I need to go I need to go and find

1388
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,640
the answer to the question so I'm

1389
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,240
essentially

1390
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,880
>> creating an experiment right I'm doing a

1391
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,040
test and I'm getting the data and

1392
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,559
you know, to to your point, um you know,

1393
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:18,960
the the definition of homelessness for

1394
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,440
youth lacking a fixed regular nighttime

1395
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,200
residence,

1396
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,119
that definition takes into account

1397
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:28,960
education

1398
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,760
and grades and the things that you need,

1399
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,280
right? Like a fixed regular nighttime

1400
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,599
residency, those things. Um, so I I

1401
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:39,920
would like to leave it there and I will

1402
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,920
come back in if you have questions, but

1403
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,480
I know Bruce and and David have some

1404
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:49,040
really good um data here also. Um, and

1405
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,200
if you have any specific questions about

1406
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,079
some of the data that I pulled, go from

1407
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:56,240
there.

1408
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:57,280
>> Any Sure.

1409
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,559
>> Do you want to start?

1410
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:00,960
>> Glad to. Yeah. Um, so I know you're all

1411
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,200
busy. So, I did today I just printed out

1412
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,640
some of the data that I had. Um,

1413
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,680
just so you can look at what our

1414
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,119
community action team has been

1415
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:14,079
collecting for data. Um, and I'll give a

1416
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:15,599
little bit of background on our BCAT

1417
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:17,200
just for those of you that aren't

1418
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,359
familiar with the program. We found it

1419
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:21,359
to be tremendously beneficial at the

1420
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:29,349
city level and at the police department.

1421
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:31,599
And if you've already seen this uh or

1422
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:33,359
you don't need feel free to just link

1423
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:36,630
the paper.

1424
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,040
» Yeah. So it's the acronym is uh Bangor

1425
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,240
community action team.

1426
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,640
>> Okay. So this was developed in 2023 by

1427
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,240
the city. It was more of a collaboration

1428
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,599
between public health and the police

1429
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,000
department. Um what we found at the

1430
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,760
police department was uh more and more

1431
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,559
of our officers were responding

1432
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:56,480
to uh calls for homelessness uh mental

1433
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,799
health um

1434
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:01,920
concerns and things that

1435
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,599
people weren't particularly comfortable

1436
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:05,280
speaking with a law enforcement officer

1437
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,280
uniform. We developed this civilian

1438
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,400
response team and it's essentially it is

1439
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,520
the boots on the ground um

1440
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,040
for the city and you see numbers you

1441
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,880
look through that first couple of pages

1442
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,870
not to um

1443
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,839
focus too much on the numbers but you do

1444
01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:28,480
see I'm sorry to go left or right it's

1445
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:34,079
all go month to month of down so um you

1446
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:37,520
do see an increase in new people

1447
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,480
typically in the summer months

1448
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,119
and then the numbers tend to uh drop in

1449
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,280
the colder months of the year which I

1450
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,760
think makes sense. People are using

1451
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,520
utilizing warming shelters. Um some

1452
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,599
people will leave our area and then

1453
01:01:55,599 --> 01:02:00,309
return when the weather changes.

1454
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:02,880
So just what you're looking at on these

1455
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,319
first couple pages is calls for our

1456
01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:09,440
BCAT. These are all non-emergent calls

1457
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,319
and uh so if a police officer typically

1458
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:14,880
at BCAD is not being sent to these calls

1459
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,400
that is the breakdown of the types of

1460
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,160
calls that they go on for all calls for

1461
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:22,079
the month. Diversions.

1462
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:25,599
What's diversions? diversions are for us

1463
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:27,760
somebody identifies selfidentifies as

1464
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,680
not being from Bangor they do not want

1465
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,160
to be in Bangor they have a place to go

1466
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,920
they'd like to get home and then we

1467
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:40,079
verify that they're welcome so we do not um complete a diversion unless

1468
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,000
the person has a place to go and and is

1469
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:42,720
welcome there

1470
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,480
>> how do you get home

1471
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,559
>> uh typically we coordinate through

1472
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:49,359
public health we'll set up a ride bus

1473
01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:51,839
>> yeah bus a ride has provided a lot of

1474
01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:54,799
rides as well has place to go. So that's

1475
01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:57,280
what the diversions are and you will see

1476
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,960
u those numbers tend to increase as the

1477
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,559
weather

1478
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:03,760
gets colder I guess.

1479
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,200
>> Do you have a sense of diversion? How

1480
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,680
many of them a local diversion like a

1481
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,720
place in someone called?

1482
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,359
>> Yeah. So they started in the if you sort

1483
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:16,079
of the third page I think happened the

1484
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:19,359
pie chart they they do actually this was

1485
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:20,720
a new addition. They they weren't

1486
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,720
collecting this

1487
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,799
I went back 12 months for the first set

1488
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:26,480
of data and then the second set of data

1489
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,920
with the pigraphs. They only started

1490
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,599
collecting this back in December. But if

1491
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:31,280
you have a chance to look through that,

1492
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,480
you can see the breakdown of of housed

1493
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,680
unhoused from Bangor not from Bangor.

1494
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,440
And this is self-reporting. So these

1495
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,920
people are identifying that it's not a

1496
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,160
determination. It's what the person that

1497
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,480
they're speaking with is

1498
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,559
um so what are the limiting factors on

1499
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:53,200
supporting someone who is in this

1500
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,280
diverent category? I mean if they're

1501
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,680
from

1502
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,839
California, do we finance the bus ticket

1503
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:04,309
for them to go to California?

1504
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:06,720
» I don't know if we've gone that far, but

1505
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:17,349
we do go far. Yeah, if something

1506
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:19,200
usually

1507
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,000
on the other side and they want out find

1508
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:27,670
them away.

1509
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,200
» Look at this pie chart. Looks like

1510
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,280
almost every month is

1511
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,440
not from Bangor,

1512
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,280
>> right? Yeah.

1513
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:40,960
>> Can I just like just because a lot of

1514
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,359
these folks I've also interacted with

1515
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:44,880
like you said it's self-reported

1516
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:45,680
demographic.

1517
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,240
>> Yeah.

1518
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,559
>> So

1519
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:50,400
patients may not identify as being from

1520
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,559
Bangor and then I talked to them they

1521
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,680
spent 10 out of the 12 months for a long

1522
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,440
period of time. They were just like well

1523
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,280
I was born in Connecticut but I've lived

1524
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,160
here for

1525
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,400
>> Connecticut. I've lived here for like 10

1526
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:03,680
years. I was in Portland but now I'm

1527
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,920
back. So I think again like when we were

1528
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,160
talking about data

1529
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,440
I think it's always important for us to

1530
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,079
look at the way questions are asked how

1531
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:15,760
folks are responding how we're

1532
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,400
collecting it. Um

1533
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,160
>> well actually that's a good point. So

1534
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:21,920
when you say not from Bangalore is it

1535
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,079
mean that I'm not talking about where

1536
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:25,920
you born but are you currently from

1537
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,359
Bangor area? I mean I I I hear that I

1538
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:30,480
hear that you may have been from

1539
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,680
Bangalore because you're born here and

1540
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,720
then you stay here for 23 years in to me

1541
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,319
you're not from Bangalore. It's because

1542
01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:38,000
you you have it living here,

1543
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,599
>> right? So I think that's the piece with

1544
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:41,839
this data. know like I've worked really

1545
01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:44,000
closely with BCAT over the years and it

1546
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,079
just depends how somebody interprets the

1547
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:46,559
question

1548
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:47,200
>> how it's asked

1549
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,520
>> and how it's asked and understand that

1550
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,039
ECAT's not collecting this information

1551
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:53,039
to publish it in like a research article

1552
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:56,160
but like the the variable you know we're

1553
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,760
not like making sure the questions are

1554
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,799
like very specific necessarily so

1555
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:02,079
>> assistance will ask you to leave an

1556
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,079
account 30 days before their consumer

1557
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:05,920
resistance

1558
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,400
get assistance from

1559
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:13,119
>> VA does also ask for your last stable

1560
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:17,119
housing address. So again, people are

1561
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:20,240
asking the question for the data in a

1562
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,240
way that is helpful for them.

1563
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,599
>> The last stable could be your level

1564
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:26,160
>> could be.

1565
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,599
>> Okay.

1566
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:28,799
>> Can I ask you a question? It's not

1567
01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:31,119
necessarily relevant to the data. Um

1568
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:32,960
what do you do for foreign nationals

1569
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,079
that are

1570
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:39,280
being do you kind of population a lot

1571
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,119
and what sort of protocol does that I'll

1572
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:44,480
have to get back I'll have to get back

1573
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,200
to the committee on u if we have had an

1574
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,359
interaction with a foreign national how

1575
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:53,119
that went um but I'm not sure I'm not

1576
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:54,319
sure on that one I don't know you need

1577
01:06:54,319 --> 01:06:54,960
to

1578
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,760
>> I I could just anecdotally I have not

1579
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,000
run into many situations where folks are

1580
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,880
from um our foreign national are trying

1581
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,160
to get back to their home country.

1582
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,160
But just because I haven't encountered

1583
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,160
it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

1584
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:11,599
>> Not in Bangor anyway. That has happened

1585
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:14,160
in Boston. We usually work with the

1586
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,039
embassy.

1587
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:15,440
>> Yeah.

1588
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,839
>> So we identify someone truly I mean I

1589
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:20,559
remember one person was German and we

1590
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:22,720
work with the embassy

1591
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,240
of transportation.

1592
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:24,559
>> Yes.

1593
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:26,559
>> He was a German national astron. And

1594
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:28,319
then sometimes state department but

1595
01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:30,880
again that's New York City and DC where

1596
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,440
tons of those whereas here you really

1597
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:34,799
yeah you know this is the end of the

1598
01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:37,599
line so to speak from rehound that

1599
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:39,200
people usually don't go up this way

1600
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,720
usually

1601
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,356
so

1602
01:07:42,356 --> 01:07:45,430
[laughter]

1603
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,760
» yeah so I mean this is just the data

1604
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,599
that was collected by I didn't want to

1605
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:50,960
interpret it I just wanted to provide

1606
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,200
the data

1607
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,920
the opportunities data that we provide

1608
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,200
Great. Thank you.

1609
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,760
>> Questions about the BAP structure. Am I

1610
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,280
to email you or is there someone else

1611
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,400
directed?

1612
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:05,680
>> You certainly can.

1613
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,520
>> And you know, I was going I was thinking

1614
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,240
when the committee was talking um I can

1615
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,079
when I get back to the police station,

1616
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:14,880
uh talk about members of the committee

1617
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,679
would be interested in getting into a

1618
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:20,719
car with ECAD or just getting to know

1619
01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:22,239
them. It's a four person group. They're

1620
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:25,040
great. Nobody had his experience with

1621
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:26,319
him, but

1622
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,239
>> yeah, I would have to think about it.

1623
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:31,359
>> Question. Um, with this data, how do you

1624
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:33,679
have an idea how many people released

1625
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:35,199
from incarceration that ended up being

1626
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:36,960
in the house?

1627
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:37,839
>> Released from incarceration.

1628
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:39,359
>> Yeah. Like, you know, you're done. You

1629
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,040
just got released. You got picked up and

1630
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,719
then now, okay, you're done. You got,

1631
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:45,440
you know, drops charge. I presume they

1632
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:47,120
don't send you home only if you have a

1633
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,719
house. They said you're done, right? you

1634
01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:50,319
open the door and would do we have an

1635
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:52,960
idea how many people fits in that

1636
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,759
category. I don't it would be anecdotal

1637
01:08:55,759 --> 01:08:58,319
u I don't have a percentage but I know

1638
01:08:58,319 --> 01:08:59,279
what happens right now

1639
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:00,799
>> and as far as you know currently there's

1640
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:03,600
no system where the jail would call

1641
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,440
somebody and say listen we have so and

1642
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:07,920
so here we're about to uh release he has

1643
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,080
no place to go uh can you guys

1644
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,640
facilitate him going some we don't have

1645
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,319
that structure in place not yet um I am

1646
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,719
in the process of reaching out to those

1647
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:20,960
places like fresh start the jail and

1648
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,359
those places so that when they know that

1649
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:24,799
someone may be going on the streets,

1650
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:27,359
they can get a hold of me and I can help

1651
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,279
give them resources wherever they may

1652
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:29,679
have to go.

1653
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:31,199
>> It'd be great if you find something, you

1654
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:32,960
know, just curious. I'm just curious

1655
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:33,920
because

1656
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,920
>> I will say

1657
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,839
with when it comes to releases too even

1658
01:09:37,839 --> 01:09:40,400
with like any attempt at a system like

1659
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,480
often you don't know when the release is

1660
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,000
coming and you're going to get released

1661
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,799
at like 6:00 a.m. unexpectedly. I mean

1662
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:47,920
just it would be great if they could get

1663
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,000
a packet with the local

1664
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,600
>> they just even my card and they call me

1665
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:52,640
the next day whatever it

1666
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,239
>> work

1667
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:56,800
like it's like in some cities I know

1668
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:57,920
like

1669
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,560
>> like New York Rikers people get dropped

1670
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,719
off at this bus stop and somewhere in

1671
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:04,960
Queens everyone get a bus metro card or

1672
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,960
whatever it was back then and then

1673
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,960
couple bucks and that's it. So that's

1674
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,040
the point of drop off and many of them

1675
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,800
have no place to go and then you're on

1676
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,880
your own. results. I don't I think here

1677
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:16,880
probably Okay, you're done. The doors

1678
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,040
open. You can go.

1679
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,520
>> I do think the jail could provide data

1680
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,280
if requested that would show that maybe

1681
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,800
u based on inmate numbers uh

1682
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,120
incarcerated individuals who identify as

1683
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:32,800
transient. That's the code that they use

1684
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,480
when they file trans.

1685
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:36,320
>> Yeah, it may be not a huge number. I

1686
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,080
just don't know what that number is. I

1687
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,159
agree that it would probably quite

1688
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:43,189
advisory.

1689
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:44,800
» I'll try to reach out to the popular

1690
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:45,840
county jail

1691
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,159
>> because my supposition is if they

1692
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:50,480
inoculate support they almost you're

1693
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,040
setting up for recidivism in sense of

1694
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,679
like you know in trouble because you're

1695
01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:58,560
forging those dollars.

1696
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,719
>> And I'll also say like having worked

1697
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:02,080
pretty closely with a lot of the folks

1698
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,000
at the jails because a lot of folks I

1699
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,760
care for are in and out of the PCJ. Um,

1700
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,360
if that's not happening, it's probably

1701
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:10,800
not because of I'm not saying that

1702
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,040
you're saying that, but it's it's often

1703
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,640
not because it's a lack of desire on the

1704
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,560
jail side. It's

1705
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,040
>> again like terrible. Yeah. System and

1706
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,679
structure.

1707
01:11:21,679 --> 01:11:23,840
>> My understanding like you know Mo is

1708
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,120
quite invested in that kind of stuff.

1709
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:25,440
But

1710
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:26,719
>> if it's not there, you can't do

1711
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:28,000
anything.

1712
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,920
>> Yep. I think also if we reached out to

1713
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,560
the main prisoner re-entry network to

1714
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:39,520
find out whether they are um supporting

1715
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:44,080
or raising certain data that could, you

1716
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,719
know, highlight a trend that you might

1717
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,880
find helpful. We could see if they have

1718
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,719
anything available. I don't I don't know

1719
01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:51,840
if they do. That's

1720
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,159
>> a good point, Robin. So there is a uh

1721
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:57,280
state program supervised community

1722
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,600
confinement program which is you're

1723
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,480
released into a community uh with

1724
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:05,199
housing and I believe it's 90 days I

1725
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,760
could be wrong. I believe it's 90 days

1726
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,560
with housing and then you're released um

1727
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,159
after the 90 days and and that does

1728
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:18,400
happen routinely in Bangor

1729
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:19,679
>> through different programs.

1730
01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:21,679
>> Is there like a different street name

1731
01:12:21,679 --> 01:12:23,120
for that? And [laughter] I don't know

1732
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,960
how to describe it, but like certainly

1733
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,120
I provide a lot of um prescribe a lot of

1734
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,360
Suboxone. So as folks get released,

1735
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,120
they'll walk in and I usually will say

1736
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,040
like, "Are you on any release

1737
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,320
conditions?" And they'll be like, "I'm

1738
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,560
on a bed to bed." And I understand that

1739
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,480
bedtoed means I was released to a

1740
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:42,480
residential treatment program and as

1741
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:43,760
long as I'm attending that residential

1742
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,600
treatment program, I'm good. I don't

1743
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,360
have to be in jail. If I bounce, I have

1744
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,920
to go back to jail. Is there like a

1745
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,239
street name for supervised community

1746
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:53,199
confinement? Um,

1747
01:12:53,199 --> 01:13:02,550
>> well, they go by the SEC.

1748
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,600
» And so if folks at Fresh Start might be

1749
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:06,320
part of

1750
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,800
>> Yes, that

1751
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,280
feedback leading the way.

1752
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:14,800
>> This sounds like a group probably gonna

1753
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,440
want to solicit for feedback honestly

1754
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:18,960
because

1755
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:20,800
Now is down does the main prison

1756
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,320
re-entry network with that? You were

1757
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,800
just asking about that. Are they the

1758
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,719
ones supervising the SECP or is that the

1759
01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:31,600
board?

1760
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,000
>> I don't know the answer to that.

1761
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,400
>> Typically, we're notified if somebody is

1762
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:40,560
being uh accepted in the SEC pro SCTP

1763
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,360
program. uh where we are notified

1764
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,920
through state probation officers that

1765
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,440
person is being

1766
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:51,600
at a particular address in

1767
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,440
>> that could be a really valuable group of

1768
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:56,960
stakeholders as the POS because a lot of

1769
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,840
our folks certainly unhoused folks that

1770
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,320
are on release conditions whether I know

1771
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,640
like SCCP that are staying at fresh

1772
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,679
start are leading the way um there's

1773
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:09,520
only a few poss like

1774
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,159
>> Chad Reynolds Yeah, Chad and

1775
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:14,880
>> he Chad's overseas leading the way.

1776
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,320
>> Yes. because I've had a lot of folks

1777
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,120
that leading away and often

1778
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,760
if they're gonna, you know, folks that

1779
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,520
have been previously unhoused are

1780
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,840
sometimes more motivated to do an SECP

1781
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,480
auction um because it also gives them a

1782
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,000
space

1783
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,960
to be in early recovery um in a more

1784
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:36,480
stable and supportive environment

1785
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:37,679
because you can imagine if you're

1786
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:39,280
released from incarceration, you've had

1787
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,600
a period of sobriety and you're released

1788
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,920
back to being unhoused. it's really

1789
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,719
difficult to maintain sobriety or

1790
01:14:46,719 --> 01:14:48,880
recovery or whatever term works for that

1791
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:53,280
individual um while living outside. So

1792
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,520
many of our folks do opt for that and

1793
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,080
the POS have been very supportive I know

1794
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,400
and really really helpful for people um

1795
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,239
and I'd be really curious like

1796
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:04,000
anecdotally what they've seen as helpful

1797
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,800
for folks that have been previously in

1798
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,159
housed has worked and what hasn't

1799
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:08,880
worked.

1800
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,719
>> I do have his email address. I'd be glad

1801
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:12,960
to reach out to him. There's one other

1802
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,120
one.

1803
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:19,840
>> Rob, works for DHS.

1804
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:20,400
>> Okay,

1805
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,080
>> anyways, doesn't matter. I can find it,

1806
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:22,719
but

1807
01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:24,960
>> that would be great. Thank you.

1808
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,800
>> And I think it's in the hyperlinks that

1809
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,040
Robin sent out, but uh I also brought in

1810
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,560
a printed copy of the city's

1811
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,320
homelessness crisis protocol. Um,

1812
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,239
and so I don't know if uh if the group

1813
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:38,960
had an opportunity to do that yet as

1814
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,159
well, but uh

1815
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,000
>> somewhere

1816
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,189
in

1817
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:49,040
I don't see any

1818
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,719
>> so it's actually it's actually on the

1819
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:53,120
city's website as well. It's one of our

1820
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,360
public facing policies. So if you go to

1821
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,920
the city's website, police department,

1822
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,280
you can find it listed under the

1823
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,280
policies.

1824
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,310
Um,

1825
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,159
and this was a mandated policy that was

1826
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:10,000
created by the attorney general in 2020

1827
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,159
four, I believe. uh and it was mandated

1828
01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:13,920
that all police departments in the state

1829
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,360
have a policy in place to address um you

1830
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:18,800
know I think primarily what we were

1831
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,800
seeing was unhoused individuals um

1832
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,640
flooding the jails and it was uh for

1833
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,679
low-level crimes that it was just a real

1834
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:28,159
challenge for for the individuals that

1835
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,480
were being incarcerated and then also

1836
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:31,840
for the jails that were being flooded

1837
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,480
with folks who were um you know being

1838
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:36,880
held for a series of low-level crimes

1839
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,840
that we were seeing on a regular basis.

1840
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,719
And so the protocol

1841
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:46,719
is on the city site

1842
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:49,760
that I will just highlight briefly uh

1843
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,400
that there were the crimes that were

1844
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,520
identified as if if a police officer

1845
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,199
interacts with an individual and that

1846
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:02,000
individual identifies as unhoused. Um

1847
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,480
using a definition that um Robin had

1848
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,320
mentioned earlier, the definition in

1849
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:07,920
policy is a person who is experiencing

1850
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,719
homelessness that lacked fixed regular

1851
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:12,640
and adequate nighttime residence. That's

1852
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,520
the policy definition. Um and the crimes

1853
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,760
that were listed criminal trespass

1854
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,960
conduct indeed conduct

1855
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,440
marinating in public possession of

1856
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:26,239
scheduled drugs or drinking in public um

1857
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:28,880
when possible. And um you know there's

1858
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,560
obviously provisions that allow for

1859
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,320
different actions from discretion from

1860
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,640
the officers when possible.

1861
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,719
>> We try to refer somebody to resources as

1862
01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:38,480
opposed to jail.

1863
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:38,880
>> Yeah.

1864
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,600
>> And um

1865
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,600
so I mean that's that's obviously

1866
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,280
something that I think affects law

1867
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:46,960
enforcement statewide,

1868
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,360
>> but um it's something that was developed

1869
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,360
by the training general's office as a

1870
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,000
mandated policy that does sort of play

1871
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,600
into working with this committee. Can I

1872
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,040
ask this? Oh, sorry.

1873
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,960
>> I was just going to ask a question for

1874
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,239
specific to Bangor. When officers kind

1875
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,000
of come across this situation, do you

1876
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,760
know what resources get offered to

1877
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:08,880
folks?

1878
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,360
>> So, I brought the

1879
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,280
>> You like set it up for me.

1880
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:14,560
>> That's right. You probably saw this in

1881
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,000
here. So, these are the resource cards.

1882
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,040
If you haven't had one of them, I

1883
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:18,400
thought I'd bring them in just just so

1884
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,000
everybody could could take a look.

1885
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,719
>> Super

1886
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:25,840
these five.

1887
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,920
>> Yes. Yep. I actually grabbed those. That

1888
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,040
was the new one.

1889
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:33,910
>> Y came in.

1890
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,560
» I can bring

1891
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,080
>> I think I brought

1892
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:42,630
>> them.

1893
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,719
» I got to update our new our address.

1894
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:48,400
Bridge Clinic. That's the old one.

1895
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,920
>> This is a great committee for if there's

1896
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,080
changes or updates, let me know. We'll

1897
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,560
get those. I'm involved.

1898
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,000
>> Do you ever utilize resources

1899
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,440
um like out of state? So meaning if

1900
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:04,800
somebody says

1901
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,679
a bed somewhere like you don't so or

1902
01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:10,080
they're in crisis in here is full and

1903
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,520
can't get in you know out of state New

1904
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,320
Hampshire or whatever may have that

1905
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,480
availability.

1906
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:21,199
I'm just curious or you know do we I

1907
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:23,120
mean I've seen many situations where

1908
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,440
people need it right then and there

1909
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:27,280
can't get it and they're just put back

1910
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,760
out on the street and then event you

1911
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,679
know people having to advocate to get

1912
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:33,360
them elsewhere and it ends up being out

1913
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,760
of state. Um

1914
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,440
but a lot of people don't have that

1915
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:39,199
support to get them there. You know what

1916
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:41,760
I mean? But I don't know. I just know of

1917
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,600
a lot of those places out of state that

1918
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,800
do they're looking to pull and help. And

1919
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,040
sometimes to get that help, you can't be

1920
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,360
here. You know what I mean? You it just

1921
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,360
you you get it here, you leave here,

1922
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,600
you're out back where it all is. And so

1923
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,000
to get them out where they can really do

1924
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,239
the work, you know, I'm just curious to

1925
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:02,880
find that resource to get them. There's

1926
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,239
a better one. You can question.

1927
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:07,920
>> Yeah. I mean, when we're working with

1928
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,760
people on the streets, if someone wants

1929
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,760
to be in recovery and wants to do

1930
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,679
something like that, and there's nowhere

1931
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:16,159
around here that we can get them in. Um,

1932
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:20,159
BCAT has done this and and um then Joe

1933
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:22,320
Archel from the other place also gets

1934
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,040
people really um going in that direction

1935
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,679
too and a ride and options.

1936
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:30,000
>> Um, and we'll take them down to St.

1937
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,159
Mary's. Yeah. And so they'll go to the

1938
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:35,520
hospital there, then get into detox

1939
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,600
>> kind of like realistically. Obviously,

1940
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,440
what we're saying is there are fewer

1941
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:43,600
detox beds in reality than what it

1942
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,800
appears to be in the state. And it is

1943
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,280
there are surprisingly a large

1944
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:50,960
proportion of those are in Bangor, which

1945
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:55,120
is a beautiful thing. Um there's a lot

1946
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,080
there's often a wait to detox. If you

1947
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,320
present to one of the hospitals, it is

1948
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:05,120
surprisingly hard to uh stay for detox.

1949
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,440
And similarly, so like St. Mary's, we'll

1950
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:09,199
just use St. Mary's as an example. Often

1951
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:11,440
we can get folks a ride to St. Mary's,

1952
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:13,360
but if they don't get admitted, there's

1953
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,679
no way for them to come back.

1954
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:16,880
>> Make a call down there.

1955
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:17,920
>> Yeah.

1956
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,480
>> I think the challenge is

1957
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:22,480
if you're sending someone for other

1958
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:24,640
program or family. I It's we've seen

1959
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,159
this. We've actually done it. We sent

1960
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:27,520
pictures back to their family in New

1961
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,159
York State.

1962
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,560
>> Unless you have

1963
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,719
intervention along the way, you can

1964
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:36,000
easily just basically look like you

1965
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,520
shipped them and well, they're not

1966
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,760
dealing with it because they get lost.

1967
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:40,159
>> Yeah.

1968
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:42,560
>> Um so I remember this patient we

1969
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:48,960
actually had was um um home um was

1970
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,640
basically able to contact his

1971
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,560
counterpart in Portland who met him at

1972
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,719
the bus station. So he had like an hour

1973
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:56,320
to kill where he basically talked to him

1974
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,080
about treatment. So by the time he gets

1975
01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:59,679
on the bus and by he got back to New

1976
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:01,120
York he was ready to get treatment.

1977
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:05,189
Otherwise he would just

1978
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:07,199
get a lot of labor intensive stuff.

1979
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:10,229
>> Yeah.

1980
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:12,400
» And really I mean ideally you'd like to

1981
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,080
have the time to do that but not

1982
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,080
everyone have.

1983
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,120
I would just quick notice to those of us

1984
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,320
here who are providers or working in the

1985
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,159
services or in outreach that something

1986
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,480
to look out for is patient brokering. I

1987
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:31,040
know that um during my sort of work um

1988
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:32,800
at together place that is one of the

1989
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,199
issues that we ran into were these sort

1990
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:37,120
of brokering agencies that come through

1991
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:40,320
and their job is to recruit patients and

1992
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,800
um form them to an outofstate recovery

1993
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,360
program. And if you it doesn't take a

1994
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:46,960
lot of research into this practice to

1995
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,280
find out that a a lot of states have

1996
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,800
outright banned it. Um and b like the

1997
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,560
federal government has taken an interest

1998
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:58,960
in trying to to limit it and um

1999
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,000
it you know obviously you know I can't

2000
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,400
outright declare that it's dangerous but

2001
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,080
I think if you talk to our our

2002
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,199
stakeholders and our friends on the

2003
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:08,400
streets you'll realize that they think

2004
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,080
it is. You'll realize that when they

2005
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,440
interacted with these patient brokers

2006
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:13,520
they did not feel safe. And so you have

2007
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:14,639
to be careful when you're working with

2008
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:16,639
outside providers because you have no

2009
01:23:16,639 --> 01:23:18,960
way to hold them to account if they're

2010
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,639
>> Yeah, usually you do that if you have

2011
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:22,960
like a concrete plan that they will take

2012
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,480
the patient. They vetted everything

2013
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:27,440
patient I want to go to agency so and so

2014
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:30,320
and that everything is discussed that

2015
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,480
kind of it'll just facilitate that. But

2016
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:34,159
I I agree with you. You don't be like,

2017
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:35,760
"Hey, I got a great program out in the

2018
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,520
middle of nowhere that we like to get

2019
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:38,239
you into it."

2020
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:39,280
>> And that's the format that a lot of

2021
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,280
these patient program structures use.

2022
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,239
Like I know that during my research of

2023
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:45,520
it when we were trying to investigate

2024
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:46,880
wanted to see who was doing it here in

2025
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:48,480
Bangor by the way

2026
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:51,199
>> um was that like

2027
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:53,600
some of their affiliates are widely

2028
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,679
reported to put people into treatment

2029
01:23:55,679 --> 01:23:57,840
facilities with no running water. So you

2030
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,360
know it's like

2031
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,239
>> that doesn't thrill me. Um

2032
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:03,760
>> so that's one of the things that I worry

2033
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,840
about. I know Melissa back to what you

2034
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,520
were saying about like we used to have

2035
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,920
project hold

2036
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,320
um

2037
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:15,440
Bangor do that for a brief period back

2038
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:17,440
do that for like a teeny like a really

2039
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:21,280
little bit of time um [clears throat]

2040
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:25,510
is are they still doing that

2041
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,600
» the water

2042
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:32,368
>> used to be

2043
01:24:32,378 --> 01:24:32,719
» [laughter]

2044
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:34,080
>> my daughter.

2045
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,440
>> Hey, does um I know Bango PD many folks

2046
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:40,080
get CIT training places. Do they get any

2047
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,440
orientation training working with

2048
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:42,880
homeless individuals so that everyone

2049
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,120
has some competency some basic knowledge

2050
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:49,199
of what challenges they face?

2051
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:50,400
>> I I [clears throat] can answer that

2052
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,679
question because I paid for staff trauma

2053
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:55,760
informed training a couple months ago.

2054
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,520
So, I know that they've received that.

2055
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:58,320
But what about

2056
01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:59,040
>> that though?

2057
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:00,960
>> Yeah, the BCAT. I'm talking about

2058
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,719
officers in general.

2059
01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:05,280
>> Our our trainings are typically online

2060
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,239
now. So, you know, one hour,

2061
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:09,679
>> but you didn't even get it. What What is

2062
01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:10,719
it? What is it? I mean, I haven't seen

2063
01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:11,679
the training, so I don't know what it

2064
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:12,719
is.

2065
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:17,669
>> Last year's was either last year's or

2066
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:19,360
mandatory training. Yeah.

2067
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:20,719
>> I'm just curious because the thing is

2068
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:23,120
also like if they have I mean just like

2069
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,639
anybody if they have a great response

2070
01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:27,760
with police offic

2071
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,080
but they have really bad interaction it

2072
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,440
doesn't matter what program I have

2073
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:32,639
they're going to say I don't trust you

2074
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:34,560
because you know this is how I got you

2075
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,280
know suckered you know last time. So I

2076
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,600
just want to you know um see what

2077
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,920
programs the Pango PD has. And the

2078
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,159
second question is

2079
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:47,040
do we know if um other jurisdiction

2080
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,880
around us here have similar approach

2081
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,199
because like if you guys take this human

2082
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:53,600
humanistic way of looking at but other

2083
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,520
jurisdiction take a much more black and

2084
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,440
white approach that means we're going to

2085
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:59,120
get hit you know more people want to

2086
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,560
come here because this is how people are

2087
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,080
treated

2088
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:03,920
right I try to avoid police lingo I

2089
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:04,880
might have just done it a minute ago

2090
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,880
when I say mandatory training so when I

2091
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,639
say mandatory training that is statewide

2092
01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:11,679
so it's mandated by the criminal justice

2093
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:14,639
academy and if if it's a topic that's

2094
01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:16,960
required or mandated

2095
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,760
>> y then it's mandated for all law

2096
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,040
enforcement so everybody in the state

2097
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,400
would training

2098
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,159
>> and the interesting thing about the cip

2099
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:26,080
training there's a couple of things here

2100
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,239
um they're mandated to have at least 20%

2101
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:31,760
of the force across the state so Bangor

2102
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,679
has a little bit higher of a number on

2103
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:35,520
that because their force can you can

2104
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:36,480
take the time off

2105
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:36,960
>> okay

2106
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:38,639
>> but there are two actual trainings

2107
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:39,840
there's an eight hour training and

2108
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,280
there's a 40hour Yeah.

2109
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,080
>> CIT.

2110
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:42,880
>> Yeah.

2111
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,040
And most of the most of the

2112
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:46,880
officers are taking the hour.

2113
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:47,679
>> Yeah.

2114
01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:49,360
>> You were talking about training specific

2115
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,440
to dealing with homelessness issues,

2116
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:54,960
right? As opposed to the CSS example.

2117
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,080
>> Again, I'm not saying they need to take

2118
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:57,840
a CIT like course, but I'm just saying

2119
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:58,480
like

2120
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:00,719
>> what education do they have about some

2121
01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:02,320
of the challenges homeless people, you

2122
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:06,000
know, can and encounter the perception

2123
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,440
of police, perception of law

2124
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:08,560
enforcement? How does that, you know,

2125
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,080
how do we bridge that gap? and things

2126
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:14,159
like that is that you kind of some of

2127
01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:16,159
role as well, right, is to kind of be

2128
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:19,040
that in between and have a little bit

2129
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,840
more specialized experience. It's a

2130
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:23,760
really good point actually. Uh, and that

2131
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,159
was we did the level of trust with law

2132
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:27,440
enforcement. I do understand that

2133
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,360
sometimes wearing a uniform does sort of

2134
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,800
put people at a

2135
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,320
more uncomfortable I suppose in

2136
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:38,159
interacting with us. ECAT really was

2137
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:40,639
very helpful.

2138
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:42,400
>> PD, you guys also used to have that

2139
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,199
community liaison officer, Officer Ash,

2140
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:49,920
and that was wildly helpful. Um,

2141
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,480
>> she was

2142
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:53,920
>> I think she moved on to like a different

2143
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,760
opportunity, right? I don't think it was

2144
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:56,320
anything

2145
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,560
>> was a military obligation,

2146
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,800
>> but in that position is something that I

2147
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,120
know Chief Hway liked to fill. He has

2148
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,199
talked several times about, you know,

2149
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:07,040
stepping up a few months ago. But

2150
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,840
>> it made a huge difference with our folk

2151
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,840
that were on our own house and also just

2152
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,920
like community stakeholders like Officer

2153
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,679
Ash would call me all the time

2154
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:18,800
>> if there was like a theme [laughter]

2155
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,639
with either a group or a human.

2156
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:23,280
>> She liked research as well. Police also

2157
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:26,480
have two mental health on hospital,

2158
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:28,239
right? You guys still have that?

2159
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,960
>> Yeah. So they they're very helpful,

2160
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,120
>> right? And there's the five officers on

2161
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:34,560
our team that

2162
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:35,520
>> options [clears throat]

2163
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,400
options are at least exposed to a global

2164
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,159
homeless person.

2165
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:42,480
>> I can tell you they got a pretty good

2166
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:42,800
>> Yeah.

2167
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,280
>> And I can tell you having

2168
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,880
worked in Boston, the community

2169
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:52,560
perception of Boston PD of our unhoused

2170
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,560
folks was not great. having worked on

2171
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,719
the street for so long, our on house

2172
01:28:56,719 --> 01:28:58,960
population actually typically has great

2173
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,440
interactions with Bangor PD and BCAT.

2174
01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:05,520
>> Um, and another other towns that are

2175
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,239
surrounding Bangor folks do not always

2176
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:10,880
have as good of an inter as they do with

2177
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,960
Bangor PD. Um, so I I you guys have done

2178
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:16,800
a lot of work to make that happen. It's

2179
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,719
very appreciated.

2180
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:21,920
>> Do you prefer Dr. Tony for this purpose?

2181
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,239
just

2182
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:26,080
um

2183
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,719
what I would say is that um just aside

2184
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:31,120
from our

2185
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,920
research from our experts, but like it

2186
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,360
is very important to me that at some

2187
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,360
point in our

2188
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,120
12 month scope here that we have an

2189
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,639
agenda item discussing um what the

2190
01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:46,320
police interactions look like with our

2191
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,199
unhoused and what the cultural compet

2192
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:51,360
competency levels are for law

2193
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:52,239
enforcement.

2194
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:56,560
um on the unhoused because I think that has a major major major impact and

2195
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,679
I think that what you said um

2196
01:29:59,679 --> 01:30:02,480
is very telling like

2197
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:05,600
you know unhoused people Mr. smart are

2198
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,120
just like any other demographic of

2199
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,360
people. I mean, if anything, um, they're

2200
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:10,719
more due to this because they have to be

2201
01:30:10,719 --> 01:30:12,239
street smart on a daily basis to

2202
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:14,719
survive. So, they have key interactions,

2203
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:16,159
even if they're tokenistic interactions,

2204
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:18,560
right? Like one bad apple poisoning a

2205
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:20,960
bunch, uh, it creates adversarial

2206
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,840
perception against all of the services

2207
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,679
in Bangor and it pushes them deeper into

2208
01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:30,960
addiction and deeper into isolation, um,

2209
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:35,199
and deeper into mental distress. So that

2210
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:37,120
is something that I really want to best

2211
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:38,639
study at some point because I think it

2212
01:30:38,639 --> 01:30:39,760
plays an outsized impact.

2213
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,600
>> I often say like the interaction with

2214
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,199
law enforcement and also first responder

2215
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:45,840
medics and stuff like that if it's a

2216
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,320
good spot my job is a whole lot easier

2217
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:49,760
because I'm not spending all my time

2218
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:51,679
fighting that

2219
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:55,440
um emotional toll from a bad interaction

2220
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:58,320
with law enforcement.

2221
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,040
So I think I mean really they do a good

2222
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,440
job with you know and like I said I said

2223
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:07,280
I notic that here also places they it

2224
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,440
makes really makes my life a lot

2225
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:13,600
>> in the interest of time I want to make

2226
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,760
sure Bruce has a chance to talk about

2227
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,560
his information [laughter]

2228
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:22,310
>> you off sir

2229
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,560
» you have opportunity as well

2230
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,159
>> absolutely I mean I was just going to go

2231
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:28,480
off I mean I work very closely with them

2232
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:30,239
and they're just a wonderful team too

2233
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:32,560
and they do.

2234
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:34,960
Um just to give you a little overview of

2235
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,600
what we're doing in community public

2236
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,719
health community services. Um I'll start

2237
01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:44,000
with community services is we have a

2238
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,480
city outreach worker which right now

2239
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:51,040
starts August 1st. Um and that person

2240
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,360
will be going out on the streets um

2241
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,080
working closely I think with PATH going

2242
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,639
to the places like the brick church and

2243
01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:01,280
the well and these places and building

2244
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,920
relationships and um starting to work on

2245
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:05,920
housing with people. Um

2246
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,120
>> it was a full-time position.

2247
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:08,960
>> It was full-time position. Yeah. I think

2248
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,560
the last person that held that position

2249
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,880
I think housed

2250
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:16,080
I think it was between 10 and 14 people

2251
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:17,280
last year.

2252
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,920
>> Um They're doing case work as well.

2253
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,080
>> They are. Yeah. So they'll take a person

2254
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:23,360
right up the streets and work with them

2255
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:26,960
right through till they get housed in

2256
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,719
>> uh then and then TR and then we have

2257
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:32,400
after that we also have a housing

2258
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,520
stabilization navigator um for eviction

2259
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,520
prevention. So what and I held that

2260
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,600
position before

2261
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,239
this person just took over. Um, in the

2262
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:44,639
year that I did that position, I had

2263
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:47,360
over 170 referrals

2264
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:51,679
and I had I we

2265
01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:55,040
forgotten I think 100 of those referrals

2266
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:59,520
and I helped I think it was I have my

2267
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:03,040
dad right here. Um, but what that is

2268
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:04,080
going in and building a relationship

2269
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:05,360
with the landlord,

2270
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:06,719
>> right? and building the relationship

2271
01:33:06,719 --> 01:33:08,800
with the tenant and trying to come up

2272
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,239
with a solution where we're gonna help

2273
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:11,760
these people stay housed.

2274
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:12,800
>> Housing diversion.

2275
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:16,159
>> Housing divers. Right. So, um I would go

2276
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:19,920
in and build that relationship with um

2277
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,760
the landlord, see what I could do for

2278
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:23,600
his on his part, talk to the tenant, see

2279
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,360
what I could do for his part, see if we

2280
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:26,800
could get into some middle ground, if we

2281
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,280
could save the housing or if we could uh

2282
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,360
or we would have to try to help that

2283
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:35,199
person move on to a safer place. um bel

2284
01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:37,920
sometimes it was finding rehousing that

2285
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:39,760
person.

2286
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:40,719
Yeah.

2287
01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:41,760
>> So

2288
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:42,560
>> yeah, go ahead.

2289
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,560
>> Does that take I'm assuming that takes

2290
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,400
the format of also maybe some referrals

2291
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,800
to services like RAP and general

2292
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,560
assistance or is it completely

2293
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,800
independent of that? um the grant that

2294
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,719
we worked under and I think is still

2295
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:58,000
working under that for the next year um

2296
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,400
had had its own money um under that

2297
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,600
grant to be able to help people um with

2298
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,880
back rent um help them if they were in

2299
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,560
eviction. So going forward will they

2300
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,520
have their own funds?

2301
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:12,560
>> No.

2302
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,239
>> And will in that case will they be

2303
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:17,679
following on that those programs?

2304
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:19,360
>> Well, I think we we always looked into

2305
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:20,880
those programs too. It wasn't just that

2306
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,040
we were there where are the two shelters

2307
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,440
also have diversion funds so they help

2308
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:27,280
people also stay stabilized in their

2309
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:31,520
apartment um along with GA right um so

2310
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:32,880
depending on the situation

2311
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:37,760
>> street has a diversion fund yeah Janice

2312
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,679
um works there and then Maria does it at

2313
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:41,040
the banker shelter

2314
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,960
>> I can say I've been working more closely

2315
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:44,719
with the diversion program than

2316
01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:47,520
typically for what I do you know usually

2317
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,000
it's GA and local searches and things

2318
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,920
trying to find that. But recent most

2319
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,760
recently I've been working with

2320
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,920
diversion programming and keeping people

2321
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,679
housed. Um which is is great.

2322
01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:00,239
>> Oh, sorry.

2323
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:02,960
>> No. So adding to I mean we've worked

2324
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,679
together to avoid evictions and keep

2325
01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:08,080
people housed. I think the bigger the

2326
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,480
bigger thing on that is it come you can

2327
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:13,920
only do so much and then if people fire

2328
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:18,480
people, right? Like you get them in and then they are trying to help them

2329
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:20,159
with their cleaning, trying to keep it,

2330
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:21,600
but they're not housing the rest of the

2331
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:22,159
unhoused.

2332
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:22,800
>> That's the gap.

2333
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,679
>> And yeah, and then they say, "Oh, never

2334
01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:28,080
mind. I'm in. I don't want you anymore."

2335
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,159
and then they're backed out because

2336
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:32,880
they've, you know, they've made

2337
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,159
themselves or they're smoking in the

2338
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:35,679
unit or they're trashing the unit or

2339
01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:37,199
things are happening, right? We've

2340
01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:39,199
worked hard to keep them, but then they

2341
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,199
fire their workers and that's like our

2342
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:43,199
biggest gap as far as housing to keep

2343
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:45,600
them housed. the most recent like I'll

2344
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,760
use is the 10 we recently helped in a

2345
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,760
new project and I have one success story

2346
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,480
left because we've busted our tail and

2347
01:35:52,480 --> 01:35:54,480
I'm not you know meet with them and do

2348
01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:56,639
all the things but those services and

2349
01:35:56,639 --> 01:35:59,120
people quit right so people walk away

2350
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,679
they're working they oh I'm done I quit

2351
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:04,480
and now we can't hire can't hire to it

2352
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:06,159
in the meantime trying to hang on to

2353
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:07,840
them trying to personally work with them

2354
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,080
too but you can only do so much and then

2355
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:15,199
that it's that service that's there's a gap there.

2356
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:17,120
>> I mean, in Portland, they just hired, I

2357
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,679
think, three retention navigators.

2358
01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:21,600
>> So, those retention navigators would

2359
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,199
fill that gap a little bit, right? Like

2360
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:25,120
where you would be able to

2361
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:26,880
>> um

2362
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,960
the case worker work, they got housing,

2363
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:29,920
work with them for a little bit, and

2364
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:31,120
then make that pass off to their

2365
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:32,480
retention navigator.

2366
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:34,560
>> But you're right. I mean, tenants,

2367
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,560
>> those nine people that are back out now

2368
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,000
have another cabin in,

2369
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:38,320
>> right?

2370
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,639
But that makes us nine, it's

2371
01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:42,639
harder to house them anywhere. Right.

2372
01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:44,480
And I when I see people I do the

2373
01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:46,480
hearings if they have denials I'll do

2374
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:48,719
the hearings and say okay give me all

2375
01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:50,800
your resource like things that are going

2376
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:52,800
to help you in these next few years and

2377
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:54,880
let's make a list like I want to help

2378
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:56,239
you but I feel like I'm putting you in

2379
01:36:56,239 --> 01:36:57,679
the midst of the US.

2380
01:36:57,679 --> 01:36:58,159
>> Yeah.

2381
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:01,360
>> Right. Like you need people in your

2382
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,760
fighting and not fall into this.

2383
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,199
>> I'm still fighting with people you know

2384
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:07,440
for some of the people that I've

2385
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:10,000
>> question for both of you. Well, from

2386
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,600
your work and observation, are there

2387
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:17,520
certain characteristics of clients that

2388
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,600
you know this is going to be easier to

2389
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,239
get this person services with keeping

2390
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:24,480
them house on house versus someone that

2391
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:25,760
you know you have to spend more resource

2392
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:27,119
because the thing is

2393
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:29,040
>> we you know we at the end of day it's

2394
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:30,159
going to be resource at the end of day.

2395
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,719
So, so this one person I can keep Amy

2396
01:37:32,719 --> 01:37:34,639
out but I'm spending like 15 people

2397
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:36,880
around her trying to keep her house two

2398
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:38,560
you know four months at a time. Yeah.

2399
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:42,080
>> Yes. I kept a house, but I also missed

2400
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:43,199
the opportunity to take care of someone

2401
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:45,360
who's now vulnerable and I never got to

2402
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:46,880
them because they were willing to get

2403
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:48,800
help. And

2404
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,800
>> triage combat triage. Now you understand

2405
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,040
that we have a path team that does that

2406
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:54,480
out on our streets here in Bangalore,

2407
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:56,159
right? We have the options team that is

2408
01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:58,000
also on our street. We wanted to try to

2409
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,920
fill a gap of trying to make it so

2410
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:01,360
people weren't becoming

2411
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:05,920
>> Yeah. homeless if we could because we we you know I mean in that year that I

2412
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,800
worked there I saved over 100 people's

2413
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:09,760
housing. Yeah.

2414
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:11,360
>> Right.

2415
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,880
>> Which or or found them new housing.

2416
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,040
>> Um so like that could have been another

2417
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:18,400
100 people on the streets

2418
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,080
>> because I could see people who are

2419
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:21,600
somewhat receptive but just struggling

2420
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:27,510
with identifying resourc

2421
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,920
» and um versus someone who needs more

2422
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:31,280
intensive stuff. That's where

2423
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,280
>> these are these are intensive people. A

2424
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,520
lot of them what I

2425
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,000
street that's kind of what I do personal

2426
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,320
experience.

2427
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,400
>> A lot of the folks that I care for that

2428
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,880
have either been chronically unhoused or

2429
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:46,639
have like cycled through housed and

2430
01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:48,639
unhoused. We know that these folks are

2431
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:50,560
disproportionately affected by severe

2432
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:52,400
persistent mental illness. They're

2433
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,239
struggling with substance use. Many of

2434
01:38:54,239 --> 01:38:56,560
them have had fall into brain injury

2435
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:57,840
categories, whether it's because of

2436
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,480
overdose or assault or all the reasons

2437
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:03,840
that people can acquire brain injury.

2438
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,400
And when we house them in a new place,

2439
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:08,080
they're navigating how do I stay

2440
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,159
connected to my recovery provider, my

2441
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,159
mental health provider, how do I get

2442
01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:15,520
there? Typically, as people get housed,

2443
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:17,920
their housing navigators pull back. And

2444
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:21,119
even with peer supports, Bangor is,

2445
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:22,239
believe it or not, a really

2446
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:25,760
geographically tricky city to navigate

2447
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:27,920
if you don't have a vehicle.

2448
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,920
>> It costs money. It's very timeconuming

2449
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,920
to take the bus. The walking routes are

2450
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,080
really tricky. So, if you have

2451
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:35,760
>> Yeah, if you have someone that can't

2452
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,600
transport you to your appointments and

2453
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:38,880
you don't qualify for links because you

2454
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,440
live on a bus line, you start to fall

2455
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:43,119
away from all of the folk that we're

2456
01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:45,440
getting able to help you get housed. So

2457
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:48,320
I think looking at posthousing support

2458
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:50,560
there's great opportunity for us to be

2459
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,280
more creative with how we provide that

2460
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,600
support and transportation is huge piece

2461
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:56,000
of it.

2462
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:57,840
>> One of the things like some research I

2463
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,480
looked at is um

2464
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:01,760
for [clears throat] people who have been

2465
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:03,040
institutionalized all their lives

2466
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,920
whether it's in jail incarceration

2467
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,199
hospital they stand a high risk of not

2468
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:11,360
knowing what to do outside because

2469
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,440
everyone's been taking care of for them

2470
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:15,040
whether they want to or not. suddenly

2471
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:16,480
they have being forced to fend for

2472
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:17,679
themselves. Some people actually want to

2473
01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:19,119
go back to jail, want to go back to a

2474
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:21,119
hospital because of the fact that it's

2475
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:23,679
easier. Uh and not because they don't

2476
01:40:23,679 --> 01:40:25,199
want to because it's so tough for them

2477
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:27,679
to navigate. You need you need a PhD to

2478
01:40:27,679 --> 01:40:28,880
navigate some of this stuff and even

2479
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:30,320
then it's not that easy.

2480
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,040
>> So I think that's where you know if

2481
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:35,119
someone I mean I can almost guarantee if

2482
01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:37,280
a patient comes to me and she said I've

2483
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,040
been in the hospital for like 40 years

2484
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,040
on my 50 years of life that person is

2485
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,679
going to have a hard time. And many of

2486
01:40:43,679 --> 01:40:45,719
our folks, we have great compassion for

2487
01:40:45,719 --> 01:40:46,480
[clears throat]

2488
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:49,119
young people that have struggled with

2489
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:51,600
homelessness and we see generational

2490
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:53,440
homelessness. And when people turn 18,

2491
01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:54,639
we're like, you should have figured it

2492
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:56,000
out on your own somehow, even though

2493
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,360
nobody taught you how to do these

2494
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,159
things. And I've worked with folks long

2495
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:02,239
term that get housed, they don't know

2496
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:03,840
how to do their laundry because no one's

2497
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:05,119
ever taught them because they were

2498
01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:08,480
unhoused since they were 14.

2499
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:10,320
>> Again,

2500
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,480
right? and they're 25 now and they've

2501
01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:14,480
lost housing 18 times because they can't

2502
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:15,840
keep their unit clean because no one's

2503
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:17,440
caught them cleaning their unit or

2504
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:19,119
triage

2505
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:22,560
even people that are right%

2506
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:25,119
>> that you see the generations like they

2507
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:27,040
now the their kids are in housing right

2508
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,520
but they had these issues beforehand and

2509
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,320
now and you know we really try to work

2510
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,800
with them to say okay what you know yes

2511
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:36,880
the t is you know we don't want to make

2512
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:38,800
you you on house like we need to keep

2513
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:40,880
your house this house is unsanitary What

2514
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,560
are we going to do? How are we going to

2515
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,280
do it? Do I feel like because of certain

2516
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,920
lack of services like we are now a

2517
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:49,760
little bit of everything, right? I'm not

2518
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,600
just the, you know, the property

2519
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,360
manager. I'm also

2520
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,520
>> similar to a case worker, you know, a

2521
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,360
PSS worker because I'm like, okay, you

2522
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,119
windex that, I'll show you how to index

2523
01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:01,280
this, right? I'll go in on boots on the

2524
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:03,840
ground and do the work with them, but

2525
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:07,119
>> it's not really the job, right? Um but

2526
01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:08,880
we are all trying to work together to

2527
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:11,520
keep keep it and you know it's it's

2528
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:12,080
difficult.

2529
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:14,000
>> So I know some agencies each of them do

2530
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,639
different things like educate how look

2531
01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:19,440
at um you know getting housing um get

2532
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:21,360
assistant you know assistance support

2533
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,000
whatever it is but there's no organized

2534
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,679
city efforts to say that we have a

2535
01:42:25,679 --> 01:42:28,400
series of you know uh educational events

2536
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,560
that you know uh purple street may want

2537
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,639
to tag into and we can support them and

2538
01:42:32,639 --> 01:42:35,199
things like that. So because um it's

2539
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:36,560
really kind of fe for all whatever

2540
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,040
agency wants to do all is that correct?

2541
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,080
Well, I think every agency has a

2542
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,320
different mission, right? I mean, some

2543
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:46,960
are work with low barrier people, low

2544
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:50,800
barrier situations and some are more

2545
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:52,480
high barrier.

2546
01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:55,199
>> And layering all of that on is like

2547
01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:57,920
staffing, funding, all the things

2548
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,040
agency. I was going to offer at a a

2549
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:05,520
future meeting that we bring to you

2550
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:10,719
a ecosystem map of the current services.

2551
01:43:10,719 --> 01:43:11,520
>> That would be cool.

2552
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:15,280
>> Um that you might be able to draw lines

2553
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:18,400
between the agency, the service, or the

2554
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:22,000
pathway that someone might navigate.

2555
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:25,280
um just to understand how the system

2556
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:28,080
currently functions for someone that is

2557
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:29,840
actively

2558
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:32,159
you know navigating through that to try

2559
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:35,040
to see if you can identify some

2560
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:37,600
weaknesses. Does the um city bank

2561
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:39,199
currently have any like a forum where

2562
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:41,119
all the agency provide homeless care can

2563
01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:43,440
get together one you know to just

2564
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:44,960
discuss things?

2565
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:46,400
>> Typically that would be through the

2566
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:47,679
continuum of care

2567
01:43:47,679 --> 01:43:51,520
>> coordinator we meet uh weekly

2568
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:52,320
>> um

2569
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,400
>> for a camp meeting which would be the

2570
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:57,119
people that are outside and then we also

2571
01:43:57,119 --> 01:44:00,000
meet for coordinated entry. That's a

2572
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,639
meeting where anyone that has done an

2573
01:44:02,639 --> 01:44:04,400
assessment for a coordinated entry

2574
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,400
system would go into that and then we

2575
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:09,920
would talk to about them um when it for

2576
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,080
vouchers that are available. No, but I'm

2577
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:13,520
talking about all the homeless agencies

2578
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:16,159
getting together as group to, you know,

2579
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:18,639
um just have a discussion to say, "Okay,

2580
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:20,400
these are services we Okay, so if you're

2581
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:21,840
doing that, I figure a way to get my

2582
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,360
people to help, you know, go to you and

2583
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,040
get services so they can all coordinate

2584
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:26,800
services because I I get the feeling

2585
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,440
sometimes we have too many agencies

2586
01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:32,159
providing just coordinated care like

2587
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:33,520
someone's doing something without

2588
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,360
coordinating and then we lose

2589
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,280
>> I can say that from my insight. Yeah. in

2590
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,080
the recovery community that we do keep a

2591
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,000
pretty close eye on each other. I mean,

2592
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,360
if anything, the patient brokering

2593
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:44,719
situation was a good example because we

2594
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:46,400
were able to tap our network of other

2595
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,639
recovery agencies and shelters and say,

2596
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:50,880
"Hey, did someone strange come by and

2597
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:52,159
talk to your clients and say, "We'll

2598
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:54,000
take you to California to have a VIP

2599
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,520
recovery experience." They're like,

2600
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,199
"Yeah, some something like that hit."

2601
01:44:57,199 --> 01:45:00,080
So, we keep we do math with each other

2602
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,800
about available recovery beds. And

2603
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,280
you're right that it is probably more of

2604
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:07,679
a free-for-all than it deserved to be.

2605
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:09,520
>> But what I will say too is there's a lot

2606
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:13,040
of agencies that on paper offer a

2607
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:14,719
service that in reality is not

2608
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:16,719
accessible. So when you're looking at

2609
01:45:16,719 --> 01:45:18,800
who the stakeholders are, the list looks

2610
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:23,440
this long. In reality, it's this long

2611
01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:25,600
>> and

2612
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:30,080
it's really difficult to coordinate in a

2613
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:33,199
efficient and effective way among

2614
01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:35,440
multiple agencies.

2615
01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:37,440
It's like coordination maybe I'm using

2616
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:42,239
the so and I'm going to take my other

2617
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:44,560
hat disaster hat for we used to have

2618
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:46,320
this thing called a voluntary

2619
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:47,920
organization active disaster where

2620
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,400
basically pull different agency involved

2621
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,880
in human human service work and you have

2622
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:58,080
the focus on collaboration cooperation that we basically would meet

2623
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,080
regularly to say okay this is service we

2624
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:01,920
can provide blah blah blah blah and we

2625
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,159
actually call people out and say okay

2626
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:05,840
you said you have this list but are you

2627
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,639
able to really do this so people can

2628
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:10,400
discuss this as a group not just say but

2629
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:12,080
this is take four words of you know

2630
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,159
faith that that's exactly what you do so

2631
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:16,719
we can say okay uh how I mean you saying

2632
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:18,159
you can provide this case management how

2633
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:20,159
often are you doing that can you do all

2634
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:25,013
that can you reality do you think this sustainable program I mean we put

2635
01:46:25,013 --> 01:46:26,159
[clears throat] people on the spot is

2636
01:46:26,159 --> 01:46:27,440
within that group

2637
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:29,360
>> and then that way everyone knows you

2638
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:31,040
know you said the case management knows

2639
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:32,719
exactly what you know sometimes would

2640
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:34,719
call but that's the informal network you

2641
01:46:34,719 --> 01:46:36,000
need a formal

2642
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,400
>> composite to say everyone has a clearing

2643
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:40,800
house of stuff that we know exactly

2644
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,119
>> where folks can um try to at least ask

2645
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:44,960
those questions. I think there's great

2646
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,440
opportunity to that. And I also will say

2647
01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:49,920
I've been in some of those we have like

2648
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:51,679
somewhat of that situation going on

2649
01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:53,440
right now because of the HIV outbreak

2650
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:55,600
with regular meetings with stakeholders.

2651
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,520
And even when

2652
01:46:57,520 --> 01:46:58,960
>> you're on the ground and you know that

2653
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:00,639
that's not happening when you do call

2654
01:47:00,639 --> 01:47:01,920
folks out,

2655
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:02,880
>> you know,

2656
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,760
>> they don't always acknowledge that what

2657
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:06,800
they're saying they're doing isn't what

2658
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:08,800
they're doing. Well, I think there is

2659
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,679
incredible opportunity for that um as an

2660
01:47:11,679 --> 01:47:13,040
intervention.

2661
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:17,360
>> And I would want to enjoin Amy's point

2662
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:20,800
about how sometimes mostly incomplete

2663
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:22,000
good faith when it comes to like the

2664
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:23,840
banker agencies, people say one thing

2665
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:26,639
and then do the other. But when it comes

2666
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:29,679
to constructing like a food web of what

2667
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:33,840
services are available, I think um

2668
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:35,440
there's sort of an informal question of

2669
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:38,320
available to who that is super super

2670
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,480
important and super relevant to why we

2671
01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:42,400
have so many people who are not over

2672
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,040
openly not seeking shelters, who are

2673
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,360
openly not seeking services. One thing I

2674
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:49,520
learned from my outreach because I try

2675
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:51,520
to reach people who I feel are not being

2676
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:53,360
reached by others. So that's

2677
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:56,080
transgender, J, gay, queer individuals,

2678
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:58,239
black and brown individuals. And one

2679
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:01,280
thing that I heard particularly from um

2680
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:04,719
transgender individuals in recent

2681
01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:06,639
discourse was we're not going to stay at

2682
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:07,920
shelters because when we stay at

2683
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,880
shelters, we're misgendered, we're

2684
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,280
touched, and violent things are said

2685
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:14,719
about us. We're not allowed to use the

2686
01:48:14,719 --> 01:48:19,440
women's facilities. Um, and so it's like

2687
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:22,560
I could role playing as them cross off

2688
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:24,800
half of the food web right now if I

2689
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:26,480
looked at look at it because I had some

2690
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:27,600
issues I didn't want to go.

2691
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:30,960
>> And I think even for people without any

2692
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,520
specific issues if I go to shelter I'd

2693
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,119
be taken advantage of. I'd be bullied

2694
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:36,400
and all kind makes me just I don't want

2695
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,960
to go. So I mean we see that even for

2696
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,119
folks nothing else going on. the fact

2697
01:48:41,119 --> 01:48:43,040
that I'm a new kid on the block. They

2698
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:44,880
also have on me.

2699
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:46,800
>> Well, that's a marginaliz marginalized

2700
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,119
position too. New homelessness, not your

2701
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:50,080
streets smart develop.

2702
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:50,880
>> Yeah,

2703
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:53,679
>> but Bruce

2704
01:48:53,679 --> 01:48:55,600
whatever whatever final points you can

2705
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:58,639
get across

2706
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:00,560
>> um yeah, I mean we have general

2707
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,480
assistance at the city obviously and

2708
01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:06,480
that they are seeing people from 8 to 4

2709
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:09,520
or whenever they come in. I mean also

2710
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:12,000
keeping people housed and also helping

2711
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:14,560
people um that are looking to get into

2712
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:16,800
new places.

2713
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:26,709
So we have obviously and and and help

2714
01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:29,440
you have management. Yeah. Yeah. I'm

2715
01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:32,080
sorry. We have intensive case management

2716
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:35,440
for the HIV breakouts

2717
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:37,360
do case management. Now I know this data

2718
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,840
could be abstractable. Who would have

2719
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:41,920
the data to say

2720
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,639
we can extrapolate that how many people

2721
01:49:44,639 --> 01:49:46,400
become homeless, how many people leave

2722
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:47,600
homelessness because at the end of the

2723
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:50,719
day you want the net to be more people

2724
01:49:50,719 --> 01:49:53,280
going home home going into homes. Yeah.

2725
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:56,159
>> So um so it's who can extrapolate that

2726
01:49:56,159 --> 01:49:56,880
data.

2727
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,480
>> So we call that in HMIS data inflow and

2728
01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:02,159
outflow. And let me see if I can find

2729
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:10,870
where we have that.

2730
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,800
annotation

2731
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,440
might have added I might have added it

2732
01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:17,600
to it. I think I might have added it to

2733
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,199
the uh response system data. So you

2734
01:50:21,199 --> 01:50:22,880
might not have it here,

2735
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:27,520
>> but there is a way that they're tracking

2736
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,760
when you're putting someone into the

2737
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:32,400
system for the first time or when

2738
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:33,920
another hub

2739
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,880
>> is either known to someone that would

2740
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,600
you know uh entered into like the

2741
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:42,000
beginning hub and then you know when

2742
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,639
they're uh you know find housing you

2743
01:50:46,639 --> 01:50:49,440
know then they are considered inactive

2744
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:52,159
and then they can you

2745
01:50:52,159 --> 01:50:55,199
So, so shelters, both shelters would put

2746
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:57,040
people in the EMIS when they're when

2747
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:58,560
they go into shelter.

2748
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,440
>> Um, and then the PATH team um would also

2749
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:02,960
do the same thing when they're working

2750
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:06,560
with people out outside. Um,

2751
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:09,360
the team at the city, we don't put our

2752
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,760
data into HMIS yet. We're working on

2753
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:12,639
that.

2754
01:51:12,639 --> 01:51:15,280
>> Um, so that I mean, it's only as good as

2755
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:18,080
what's being put in there as well. out

2756
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,400
the middle. I think that's how far we

2757
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,480
don't know what the actual number is.

2758
01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:23,920
>> It's like impossible.

2759
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:25,199
>> I know it's impossible, but I don't

2760
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:26,000
know,

2761
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,760
>> right? You're not going to get

2762
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:29,360
>> Yeah, it is because I I heard you

2763
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,119
talking earlier. I mean, about the

2764
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:33,440
definition of homelessness when a

2765
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:35,040
person's couch surfing, they're not

2766
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:36,560
considered homeless,

2767
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:37,599
>> and or squatting.

2768
01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:38,000
>> Yeah.

2769
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,400
>> Right. So, like that's a whole different

2770
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,960
number of people that come in and out of

2771
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,040
the streets throughout the day.

2772
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:45,520
>> Yep.

2773
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:47,920
>> Right. Right. And that's very much by

2774
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,639
season. That's very much we see a huge

2775
01:51:50,639 --> 01:51:52,480
change in that by season.

2776
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:54,080
>> Um,

2777
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:56,400
and talk about like in and out of

2778
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:58,480
Bangor. It's not uncommon. We have folks

2779
01:51:58,480 --> 01:52:00,320
that are from Bangor that have been in

2780
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,239
Bangor. They have a relative in Lincoln

2781
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:03,840
that they can go to Lincoln for six

2782
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:05,280
months until they burn that bridge and

2783
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:07,520
they're back back in Bangor. So it's

2784
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:10,239
>> it's

2785
01:52:10,239 --> 01:52:11,840
incarcerated go to hospital and they

2786
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,639
consider house even though they

2787
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:17,440
>> they never did anything

2788
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:20,560
>> yeah right it

2789
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:22,480
>> can I ask you a question

2790
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:24,960
>> um when we're interacting with the

2791
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:26,480
unhoused and we're collecting this data

2792
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:28,960
for him are we apprising them of the

2793
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:31,280
fact that we are putting them into the

2794
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:31,920
database

2795
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:33,840
>> so they are told when they're in

2796
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:36,080
shelters I'm not sure what path does but

2797
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:38,960
I know that they they both shelters read

2798
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:41,840
a thing letting them know what that

2799
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,239
they're being put into the system.

2800
01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:45,599
>> There is an updated. Yeah.

2801
01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:46,960
>> Is there a way that they can revoke

2802
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:57,350
their data if they would like to? Jason

2803
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:59,199
» I I should just come to you first and

2804
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:01,840
question the protections are there opt

2805
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:04,320
in and opt out. [clears throat]

2806
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,199
>> Thank you.

2807
01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:10,400
>> Feel like this conversation like I

2808
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:12,080
already knew there's just tremendous

2809
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:13,760
work being done by all of these

2810
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:15,840
different agencies and agencies that

2811
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:17,280
don't happen to be at this table

2812
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,440
tonight. feel like there's a large

2813
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:21,840
population in the city that has no idea

2814
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,440
um what's happening and even listening

2815
01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:25,840
to the conversation might say that's all

2816
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:28,320
alphabet soup to me. I have no idea. So

2817
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,080
I think one of the benefits of this

2818
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:33,679
committee might be finding a way to uh

2819
01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:35,760
think about the rhetoric of of how we

2820
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:37,679
talk about this because like this is a

2821
01:53:37,679 --> 01:53:40,400
great conversation. I have just great

2822
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:42,159
respect for everyone around the table

2823
01:53:42,159 --> 01:53:45,520
and what you do. Um but there's not

2824
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:47,840
necessarily as many people seeing it. uh

2825
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:50,080
the way I see it, the way my co-orker

2826
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:52,480
Olivia sees it, working with all or many

2827
01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:56,313
of you and and uh not you, but

2828
01:53:56,313 --> 01:53:58,320
[laughter]

2829
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:01,840
I don't know if she

2830
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:05,119
>> but yeah. Um but

2831
01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:08,320
uh but but I I just feel like um you

2832
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:10,159
know, it's heartbreaking that I I get to

2833
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:13,119
see how much good work is done by each

2834
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:15,119
of the agencies you represent and many

2835
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:17,360
more. And I know there are many people

2836
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:20,000
who for whatever reason don't see that

2837
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:24,080
and and don't understand the value. Um

2838
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:26,320
so I just I hope that we can also think

2839
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:29,040
about bringing along the rest of the

2840
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:31,440
population with the way that we we talk

2841
01:54:31,440 --> 01:54:33,199
about uh this and I'm not saying

2842
01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:34,800
anyone's talked about it wrong tonight.

2843
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:36,800
I'm just saying as we think about it

2844
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:38,159
like and that can be an element of

2845
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:40,639
public comment in a couple of weeks. How

2846
01:54:40,639 --> 01:54:42,639
do we hear what the person's saying and

2847
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:45,520
say how would it change someone's mind

2848
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,719
if they heard us talk about uh you know

2849
01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:50,960
independent living

2850
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:54,000
in in terms uh that that relate to the

2851
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:55,920
very complaint that they had. So that

2852
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:57,840
that's just what comes to mind. And you

2853
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:59,199
know, I hear things that people are

2854
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:01,520
saying and I'm just like so excited

2855
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,760
because I know it's like a lot of work

2856
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:08,639
that goes into it. But um but I I just

2857
01:55:08,639 --> 01:55:09,920
that's the other thing I want to think

2858
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:11,599
about is how do how do we as this

2859
01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:14,800
committee help the the general public?

2860
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:15,840
>> It's been right

2861
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:16,560
>> been. Yeah.

2862
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:21,199
>> Um so when I actually interviewed for

2863
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:23,119
this position, that was my whole that

2864
01:55:23,119 --> 01:55:25,840
was my whole platform. Um, I said that

2865
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,159
like one of the major focuses that I

2866
01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:29,520
mean one of the questions was how would

2867
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:31,440
you address it? I mean if you had $3

2868
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:33,679
million what would you do? I said, well,

2869
01:55:33,679 --> 01:55:35,599
I would focus on restoring trust and I

2870
01:55:35,599 --> 01:55:38,480
would put advocacy up front of the issue

2871
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:40,560
and I would try and pressure the city

2872
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:42,960
councilors to put this in layman's terms

2873
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:45,520
because this is a heavily pathized issue

2874
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:48,320
and in this room where we have providers

2875
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:50,960
who are experts in it, it's even more

2876
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:54,400
pathized and the layman has almost no

2877
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:56,960
access to

2878
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:58,800
um the terminology we're using. and they

2879
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:00,239
have no understanding

2880
01:56:00,239 --> 01:56:04,639
>> and they can do simple math and they can do great math but they they

2881
01:56:04,639 --> 01:56:07,840
look outside. They see that the issue is

2882
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:11,360
growing every day and they see that all

2883
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:12,800
of these experts are speaking in these

2884
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:16,080
heavily pathologized siloed ways that

2885
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:17,679
don't make sense to them and don't make

2886
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:20,400
sense to the stakeholders. Um and

2887
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:21,920
they're like I think that's contributing

2888
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:24,800
to the issue and it creates um

2889
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:27,840
adversarial angles in the city. So, I

2890
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:29,119
think that that is something that I

2891
01:56:29,119 --> 01:56:30,239
really hope that this committee can

2892
01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:33,599
focus on as well is just removing these

2893
01:56:33,599 --> 01:56:36,000
barriers, doing more direct advocacy and

2894
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,159
direct outreach and appealing to the

2895
01:56:38,159 --> 01:56:42,000
layman um and teaching um our citizens

2896
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:44,400
and community members what it is we do,

2897
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:46,880
why we do it, why it's important, and

2898
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:48,560
maybe there are other avenues that we

2899
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:51,199
can pursue it that simplify the process

2900
01:56:51,199 --> 01:56:53,520
and make it more accessible. I mean one

2901
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:55,840
of sorry one of the goals that you guys

2902
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:59,199
identify as part of the end product this

2903
01:56:59,199 --> 01:57:01,520
is to figure out mechanism to continue

2904
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:04,080
to educate both professional and

2905
01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:06,480
nonprofessional about homelessness and

2906
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:09,040
how it's evolving because I think you

2907
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:12,560
know your point is right I mean both s

2908
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:14,400
we we stop talking the way we just used

2909
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,239
to shop because that's how we function

2910
01:57:16,239 --> 01:57:19,679
but it changes even for us now versus

2911
01:57:19,679 --> 01:57:22,400
three years from now so And I think a

2912
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:24,560
lot of the challenges

2913
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,159
you know the population face I suppose

2914
01:57:26,159 --> 01:57:29,040
community because no one gets it no one

2915
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:31,280
understands it uh for whatever the

2916
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:33,119
perspective. So I think a goal for this

2917
01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:35,119
committee as a strategic action 12

2918
01:57:35,119 --> 01:57:37,840
months is probably and how to have a

2919
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:40,639
system of ongoing education to just

2920
01:57:40,639 --> 01:57:47,910
about services and also dstigmatize the challengors.

2921
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:49,199
I mean they cycle through.

2922
01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:50,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. So

2923
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:51,199
>> well that's why you're hoping to build

2924
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:51,920
this in so

2925
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:54,960
>> we could create a playbook for the city

2926
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:56,560
>> having some historical knowledge.

2927
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:58,400
>> I mean they they change but the staff

2928
01:57:58,400 --> 01:57:59,920
does don't change as much. So that's

2929
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:02,880
where they can hand inviting a regional

2930
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:05,440
respons

2931
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:07,599
I thought of when you were talking.

2932
01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:09,679
>> No that's fine. But something that I

2933
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:11,760
actually wrote down in my notes here is

2934
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:14,000
I think it'd be interesting if one of

2935
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:16,880
our unhoused or recovery agencies would

2936
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:18,880
um do something like an unhoused

2937
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:20,239
education or like welcome to

2938
01:58:20,239 --> 01:58:22,800
homelessness where uh we could do sort

2939
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:26,159
of an open um class

2940
01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:28,080
>> um for newcomers to homelessness because

2941
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:29,199
like I said earlier that is a

2942
01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:31,760
marginalized position and say

2943
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:34,960
>> to be naked and afraid in Bangor

2944
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:37,360
>> they're just not

2945
01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:38,639
>> it's a horrible experience.

2946
01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:40,719
>> The one challenge with that is when you

2947
01:58:40,719 --> 01:58:42,880
do education like that, people already

2948
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:44,880
have an interest. They want to go learn

2949
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,080
about it. Um you need to build in a way

2950
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:49,760
of education that how it ties into

2951
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:52,159
almost everything in our community. Even

2952
01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:53,520
if you don't think about homelessness

2953
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,280
right off the bat, all these have

2954
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:57,440
implications of homelessness if let's

2955
01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:59,760
say food insecurity,

2956
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:01,920
um heating bills and all kinds of stuff.

2957
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:04,880
So I think there's got to be

2958
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:06,480
just regular education but there's also

2959
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:08,400
other things to build in that hey

2960
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,360
everyone's invested it's not just this

2961
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:13,199
person because he's homeless. I know

2962
01:59:13,199 --> 01:59:16,639
some jurisdiction for example um

2963
01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:18,639
I can't remember jurisdiction where they

2964
01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:21,119
the mental health budget was not by one

2965
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:23,679
inst but by everybody education

2966
01:59:23,679 --> 01:59:25,440
department police department has a

2967
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:28,080
built-in budget they said all of you

2968
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:30,000
have a stake in it so you guys got to be

2969
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,840
part of this. So it's the same thing

2970
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:34,080
with justification that everyone even if

2971
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:35,599
they have never seen homeless but they

2972
01:59:35,599 --> 01:59:39,830
got what they

2973
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,159
in the interest of time as we're getting

2974
01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:45,432
close to wrapping up. Does anyone

2975
01:59:45,432 --> 01:59:47,360
[clears throat] have any final questions

2976
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:49,760
or remarks for any of the staff that we

2977
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:52,320
have here today? Uh Melissa asked me to

2978
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:54,800
pass on uh her request for the next date

2979
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,440
and time of the meeting to be sent to

2980
01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:00,159
her email or at least posted onto city

2981
02:00:00,159 --> 02:00:01,119
site.

2982
02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:05,270
>> It's the 11th, right?

2983
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:08,560
» 11 I think that's

2984
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:12,709
people.

2985
02:00:12,719 --> 02:00:14,880
» Yeah. I mean anyone thinks I think we

2986
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:15,920
keep [clears throat] at the same time.

2987
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:22,229
>> Yeah. I miss Mr. Al.

2988
02:00:22,239 --> 02:00:24,639
» Anybody else?

2989
02:00:24,639 --> 02:00:26,080
Motion to adjurnn.

2990
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:26,719
>> Exactly.

2991
02:00:26,719 --> 02:00:28,239
>> So, one last thing. What are we asking

2992
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:30,719
the staff to do for next?

2993
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:31,440
>> Yes.

2994
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:33,840
>> Yeah. So, I think for the next meeting,

2995
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:36,800
we we need to have that protocol for

2996
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:39,119
public comment because that sense.

2997
02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:42,159
>> Yes. I'll email the policy. If if I

2998
02:00:42,159 --> 02:00:44,000
don't turn on the mic, it doesn't go

2999
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:45,920
through the TV. Um, I'll I'll email the

3000
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:47,840
policy and we'll start doing public

3001
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:50,639
outreach to encourage folks to come to

3002
02:00:50,639 --> 02:00:54,159
that um to that

3003
02:00:54,159 --> 02:00:56,239
session and then maybe because we

3004
02:00:56,239 --> 02:00:57,920
probably won't have an opportunity to

3005
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:00,239
have a robust conversation about the

3006
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:03,040
next meeting, maybe folks could send

3007
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:05,679
their input to you Alton and then we can

3008
02:01:05,679 --> 02:01:07,360
coordinate on an agenda.

3009
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:08,960
>> Yeah, I mean I I think it's likely going

3010
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:10,560
to be

3011
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:13,360
agenda for the if I call correctly. We

3012
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:15,599
were thinking 90 minutes of public

3013
02:01:15,599 --> 02:01:17,920
comment and about 30 minutes for

3014
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:19,840
committee discussion of said public

3015
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:21,840
comment and I mean that essentially

3016
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:25,280
would be the agenda. Um however if there

3017
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:27,280
are other items that anybody wants on

3018
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:29,040
the agenda for that conversation please

3019
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:30,719
send it so that we can make sure it's

3020
02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:32,480
included. I think this what you going to

3021
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:35,119
give that map or something that um

3022
02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:36,239
something you were saying you're going

3023
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:36,719
to show.

3024
02:01:36,719 --> 02:01:38,800
>> Yeah.

3025
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:43,679
>> So we as technical advisors

3026
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:46,400
thought to continue the conversation in

3027
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:48,960
the data by looking at the homeless

3028
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:51,679
response system building that eco map

3029
02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:54,080
and then you had mentioned that you

3030
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:56,880
wanted to hear like other municipal

3031
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:59,360
examples specific things that the city

3032
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:03,199
is doing. So perhaps if you maybe have

3033
02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:05,679
ideas about what that should entail, it

3034
02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:07,760
would give us all that much more time to

3035
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:10,639
prepare for you. So any lead time that

3036
02:02:10,639 --> 02:02:12,159
you could give us with what you'd really

3037
02:02:12,159 --> 02:02:14,239
like us to bring would be helpful.

3038
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:16,719
>> Well, email should we send that to you?

3039
02:02:16,719 --> 02:02:17,520
>> You can.

3040
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:19,040
>> I think you're on the list actually.

3041
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:21,760
>> Yeah, I'm on the I think that you you've

3042
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:25,040
respond I think I've seen email. So I I

3043
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:26,880
think was the election of a chair. It

3044
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,280
probably makes sense to work those asks

3045
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:30,880
through the chair.

3046
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:34,800
>> Does that make sense to everyone else?

3047
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:35,440
>> Okay.

3048
02:02:35,440 --> 02:02:38,000
>> I got include both of us, right? Like

3049
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:40,480
you can cut out the middleman.

3050
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:41,440
>> Does that make sense?

3051
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:43,594
>> But then the numbers are going up

3052
02:02:43,594 --> 02:02:46,159
[clears throat] the

3053
02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:48,719
solicitor numbers.

3054
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:53,430
>> Number of public document. [laughter]

3055
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:55,440
» Either way is fine. Okay. send it

3056
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:56,639
directly to me and I'm happy to

3057
02:02:56,639 --> 02:02:57,280
coordinate.

3058
02:02:57,280 --> 02:02:59,520
>> I'll probably CC both of you. I don't

3059
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,560
really understand how technology works,

3060
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,639
but I'm going to try and believe what

3061
02:03:04,639 --> 02:03:07,840
it's out there and it will find me.

3062
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:10,960
>> Thank you so much for all the data.

3063
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:12,719
>> A great place to start the conversation.

3064
02:03:12,719 --> 02:03:14,400
I'm sure it took a lot of work to pull

3065
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:16,639
all of it together. I appreciate our

3066
02:03:16,639 --> 02:03:20,159
experts here too who are work not only

3067
02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:24,629
working on the issue on a daily basis

3068
02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:28,880
knowledge to bring to us

3069
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:31,440
in this room right but we are going to

3070
02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:32,320
do it

3071
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:34,080
>> public comment in this room correct

3072
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:38,000
>> I'm guessing we s there will

3073
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:39,760
be

3074
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:43,840
>> um I would suggest that we you you

3075
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:47,119
either could sit at count see the people

3076
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:47,599
have them

3077
02:03:47,599 --> 02:03:50,080
>> or we could rearrange this table and

3078
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:52,320
then folks will step to the podium to

3079
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:53,280
get their movement

3080
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:55,119
>> see like

3081
02:03:55,119 --> 02:03:56,719
>> I just worry about the power dynamic of

3082
02:03:56,719 --> 02:03:58,080
that I know it's just like

3083
02:03:58,080 --> 02:03:59,440
>> you know you're right

3084
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:01,440
>> you're worried that it'll feel like

3085
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:03,040
you're like

3086
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,320
>> it will dstigmatize

3087
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:07,040
>> just do the table all table

3088
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:08,960
>> when we did something similar for the

3089
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:11,199
opioid advisory committee the committee

3090
02:04:11,199 --> 02:04:13,360
did sit at this table

3091
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:15,679
>> facing the audience Yes, that's perfect.

3092
02:04:15,679 --> 02:04:18,080
Yeah,

3093
02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:21,520
>> there's nothing else. A motion to journ.

3094
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:22,159
>> I second.

3095
02:04:22,159 --> 02:04:26,400
>> I do need a gabble. was like