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So, to get to do more of an expulsion, it's um, yeah, squirmals. Yes, we're running the hand cards,

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basically, um, we have three people out the vote for, yeah, somebody else pointed out something

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on it. There's nothing on that kind of thing. And that was so honest.

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I will hereby call to order the regular meeting of the Baraboo Common Council for Tuesday, February 14, 2023.

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We will begin with a roll call and pledge of allegiance led by Council President Petty we can call here hazard here can't here Petty

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here Ellington here Sloan Sloan here here Kyrzik

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thorough I

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation

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under God in the middle of the world with liberty and justice for all

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All right. Minutes were included on the website and email to you. I will entertain a motion to approve the minutes from January 24th.

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I'll show a proof. Second. All right. Is there any comment or correction to anything in the minutes?

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All right. All in favor of approving the minutes. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Minutes are approved.

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Approval of tonight's agenda that has not been modified. I will entertain a motion to approve tonight's agenda.

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All right, we have motion and second all in favor of proving tonight's agenda please say aye.

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Aye.

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We have an agenda for this evening.

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Madam Clerk, are we in compliance with the open meetings law?

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Yes.

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All right, thank you.

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Item six, we have a couple of presentations tonight, so we will start things off with our utility superintendent, Wade Peterson.

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So, Wade, you have the floor.

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For ever, we've always monitored what our side of the water service is, but now under the EPA guidelines, we now have to identify all the private side led services, which is quite a task.

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We've got like 4,000 services to identify, so I want to come tonight to show you a little bit of what we're working on in two to hopefully get our community that are watching this to help us complete this task.

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We have tell October of 2024 to try to identify as many of these services as we

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have.

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So so

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we track here as you can see we track our in the process of

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tracking services and if they're copper lead galvanized unknown so all these

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these different colors. Red and yellow are not good. That's either lead or galvanized.

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Blue is good, white or vacant. So we have a lot of work ahead of us.

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We just kind of started putting this together. Spend a lot of time on it so far.

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But as we get every individual home to do their survey,

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it'll turn to a hopefully a blue blue where it's non-led service. So over here

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we'll kind of verify what the utility side is and then we'll go down and

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verify what the property owner's side of the services. And you can do this one

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of two ways. One, we have a on our web city website. You can go to right here. We're

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to take a survey so you can do this right from home. We'll just kind of go through one

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real quick. So you just click on here.

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You can just kind of fill in your name, your address.

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If you have your account number and we kind of show you where the account number is on there

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You kind of identify what type of service you have if you're single family your residential commercial

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Then down here you'll get into a couple parts where we help you try to identify your service

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Here is a magnet where a magnet will stick to galvanize, but it won't stick to lead

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so there's kind of one pointer. Here's kind of a picture of a meter and how

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the service comes into the house and goes through the meter. Here is different

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types. If it's lead you can scratch it, it'll turn shiny like that. Copper will

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be like that. It can be tarnished, but if you scratch it it'll turn to a

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copper galvanize. You can scratch it ain't nothing going to happen, but a magnet will

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stick to that. So we kind of give a little bit of help to our customers, helping us try

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to identify. And then all you do is you click what you believe your service is, size-wise.

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And if you want, you can take a photo which kind of comes in handy. If you have a tough

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time identifying the service yourself, you can click a photo and add it to here.

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able to assist with that. For example, here's one of our surveys. With the light it

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makes it kind of a little bit different, it's difficult to see. Well, older house, not much there.

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Here's where your service comes up out of the ground and ties into the meter. As you can tell,

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there's not a lot of space in there, but I can tell you that that's half inch galvanized pipe.

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The individual tried scratching it and it didn't turn shiny and she did put a magnet to it.

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So she was able to identify what that is.

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So it's not too difficult, but for those that don't want to go through that route,

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you can simply just call us at the office at 3552740.

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Mrs. Thurall, she was, we sent this to all you folks.

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She decided to just make the phone call and have us come visit, and were we there five minutes?

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I don't think so.

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Nope, it doesn't take long.

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It just doesn't really take long for us to come and identify what kind of service.

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So we're just asking for the public's help to try to get as much as this identified as possible.

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So here's my lovely tracker.

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So we have roughly 4,430 services in the city.

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Of that, we have still 2,980 that we need to identify the homeowner side of the service.

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So we're over a thousand done. We're making good progress but we have a way to

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ways to go. I can tell you since we started the lead service replacement

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program in 2017 we've replaced the 136 lead services homeowner side lead

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services. So we kind of track that into the percentage and then down here in this

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lower part this is the city our side. I can tell you roughly we're going to be

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We had about 830 LED services on our side.

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And then over on the homeowner side, what we have identified so far, we're looking

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at roughly about 230 galvanized services that we'd like to get replaced.

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But the LED ones right here is 319.

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Not all of them have been completely verified yet, but for what we know the most, that those

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are the ones we want to try to go after and get out of the system.

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So you're just kind of a pie chart.

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One of the things with the EPA's mandate is in October of 24 we have to make this available

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to the public.

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So where you see this like right here, you'll be able to click on the city's website and

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you'll actually be able to get in and look at something very similar to this.

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You won't be able to tell by who service it is or click on one, but you'll be able to

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use this identifier off to the side, and if you wanted to check your resident and see

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what kind of service you have, or if you just wanted a general idea of what we look like,

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this is kind of what you'll see, but this is one of the things that we have to make public,

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so it'll be attached to our website.

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so again I'm just asking hopefully we can get some of our customers residents to

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help us out with this and if you see folks please let them know that either go

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to the website and do the little survey there or just give us a jingle and we'll

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come and visit you real quick. Any questions?

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Any questions for Wade?

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MSA doing a presentation on the Conceptual Study and Design for the Oak Street Overlook

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and ADA Path Project.

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My name is Marcus Ruehl with MSA.

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We were asked to take a look at the Oak Street Overlook and assess situations with the

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existing structure and then also look at alternatives to turn it into a park.

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Start with kind of an overview on the park.

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One of the things we noticed with the existing structures, the east wall is shifting.

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There's a fair amount of cracking through the blocks.

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There's been multiple repairs over time,

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and then there's some site drainage and voids

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that are occurring behind the structure itself.

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These are kind of evident in the pictures.

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You can kind of see that tip in the upper corner there,

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and you can see the iterative repairs that have happened

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over the years there with pieces getting parsed together,

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I guess, is the best word.

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And then there's some drainage issues that are occurring on site with the existing sidewalk

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is getting washed out, voids behind the wall, the cracks in the actual structure.

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And it's a general safety concern.

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Some of the other things we notice with the site is there's a large elevation change between

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the sides.

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It's about 30 feet from the top of the site at first street down to water street, so that's

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going to present some ADA compliance issues.

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There's general aesthetic issues with the existing walls

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that are on there, the railings, everything's kind

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of settling and shifting around.

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So we performed some preliminary borings on the site.

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And boring one, one in three indicated,

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one was native fill or native material.

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A boring three indicated, about 10 feet of fill

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in that area, because there's a former raceway that used to run through there from a mill or

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something that ran under the road and then back. Boring 2, we hit obstructions, and when we dug into

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that a little more, there's an old bridge that used to actually cross over that raceway. That's

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probably the abutment for that. We've shifted over to Boring 4, which also indicated more fill about

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about 10, 15 feet total on that. So once again, as I said, there's almost 30 feet of elevation change

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between that first-av ADA ramp and then the one down on Water Street that supplies access

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to the parks.

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So with the dug into it a bit, we got some of the concept together here and we're looking

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at a lot of 5% to 8% slopes for an ADA compliance so there'll be a lot of railing.

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That railing we're proposing to all be like a lighted railing to kind of provide an accent

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along the route. We'll also put that around the actual overlook itself. Due to the structural

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concerns on the overlook, we're suggesting to actually take it down and shift it over slightly

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and rebuild it with like a post-emphial wall, which can be modified to have a facade that looks more

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like a natural stone, whether it be like the bearaboo, the bearaboo quartz site in the area here or

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where we could even make it look like the existing structure itself and stain that concrete.

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And then supply some additional parking down there and provide that access from downtown

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to that Kiwana Park there and future developments that are happening across the river.

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So give you a guess some ideas on what we're looking at for railing here.

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The lighted railing is kind of those top two photos there.

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We're like a steel railing with an accent light underneath the hand rail.

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Those stones that you see there are actually stained concrete that can be put on the front

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of the post-empanel wall and help it blend in with the area.

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We're proposing since we're taking, recommend taking down the structure itself that we could

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even save those stones and restack them as planters or retaining walls on site, provide

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historical signage, something along those lines to indicate the history that actually

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was there.

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The structure has been here for 150 years. And then with the slopes that are on the

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sides, they're proposing like a native planting with stone, need like boulders,

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the restax stone from the existing abutment, and then some native plantings to help

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with erosion and help with the water control through the area.

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This is kind of a

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sketchup of what we're proposing. We'll have the plantings in the front there, and

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nice little parkway down or a walkway down that upper portion by first street

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there we're closing like a in our park that you could kind of walk through as you

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go down and that would be provided all the art would be provided by the local

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artists.

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Then the big thing is the budget. Due to the retaining walls the post

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some pile, the ED ramp that has to come down, there's a large cost in the retaining walls

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for those, the lighted railing, we'll have a bit of a cost that's kind of one of the

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things driving factors here, and then there's some contingencies in there because of the

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market variability. So in total, it's looking like it's about 3.5, 3.6 million.

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That seems

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It seems like a big number and there's funding available for all of this that's we can access.

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There's the TAP program, which is like an 80-20 split with the DOT federal funds.

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I know that there's been some earmarked funds already set aside about a half million, I believe.

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And then we've got stewardship funding grants that are available all over.

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So that's one of the things we can help you through.

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So I guess with that or questions, any questions?

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Have we started to go after those grants?

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Yes, we've already received 500,000 in a congressional earmark.

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So that's allocated.

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And then across the street as a part of kind of this project,

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we also are looking at that park installation down there.

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we have 153,000 that we receive for stewardship funding.

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So ultimately, this would be a multi-phase plan

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of going after grants and then doing the work

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that the grants would fund.

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Thank you.

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So is that three and a half million?

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Does that include the removal of the existing?

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Because there's an $80,000 unclassified excavation

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that is kind of vague.

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Yeah, it is a little vague.

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There is some removal in there, there's a fair amount of fill that would have to come in on site for the ADA ramp to come down because that's a retaining wall structure, so along those residents is along the backside with the shifting of the structure and all the fill that goes in behind that, that's what encompasses that.

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But that's what the 80,000 is for.

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Yeah, so the 3.5 does or does not include the removal,

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because I'm assuming this will be done in phase

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as we discussed in finance tonight.

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There's removal portion of it based off of public safety

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with the existing structure.

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So is that part of the 3.5 million or 3.5 million

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just the new ramp?

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We had included in this estimate.

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estimate and so it's an overall the removal yeah okay thank you any other questions

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will you be

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staying until we get to those items on the agenda in case any questions come up in the discussion

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and we anticipate some more okay some points so all right great thank you thank you very much all right

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all right brings us to okay losing okay I'm gonna wait till you're got it

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we're trying we're trying

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to get Alderman Sloan back with us via phone.

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That brings us to item 8.

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Public invited to speak.

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Any citizen has a right to speak on any item

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of business that is on the agenda for council action tonight.

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We do have quite a few people that are registered to speak tonight.

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And before we get into this, I did just want to tell folks

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that I imagine there's some things on the agenda

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that may evoke some strong feelings.

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And I do ask that all speakers and viewpoints be treated

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with respect tonight.

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I have no doubt that everyone at the day

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and everyone in the audience tonight is working towards the best interest of

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bearable. We sometimes have a difference of opinion on what that looks like or

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how to get there and the job of the democracies to work through those

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differences. So again, please treat each other with respect and treat all those

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viewpoints with respect. I will also mention that this is not a Q&A. Sometimes people

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think it's a question and answer. It's not an opportunity for counsel to answer

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your questions. It's an opportunity for you to present us with your opinion on the topic.

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And there is a three minute limit on each speaker tonight and in the interest of moving things along don't feel like you have to use those whole three minutes if you can get your point across more succinctly we encourage you to do that.

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And please don't make me get the going out and hook you off the stage.

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And with that, we will get started with I believe Jerome Mercer is the first person who wishes to speak tonight.

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My

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name is Jerome Mercer, I live at 833-year-core circle in the city of Berber.

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I am here tonight to speak in favor of Mary Nelson's veto and against the spirit-like

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development.

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I want to compliment Mary Nelson on his veto memorandum.

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It is with clarity and detail, I do not disagree with any aspect of that memo, including

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his thanking you for your service on the City Council for the City of Bearaboo.

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We all appreciate it.

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The concern that I have with the development is that it basically opens up urban sprawl

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for the city of Barabook.

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The day may come when that development is appropriate for the city of Barabook.

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in my opinion that day has not come. I hope that I do not live long enough for

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that day to come. Thank you.

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Thank you. Next we have Michael Plott's.

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My name

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is Michael Plott's 16th Effinger Road on City Council for 12 years and I think I

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and we've had a little or no development.

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For me, now is the time to take advantage

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of the building expansion to expand our tax base

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and pay for increased costs for police and fire.

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It is time to welcome people to bear a boo,

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not drive them away.

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If I was a mayor, I wouldn't have vetoed this building project.

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The idea that it's an isolated place to build,

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I drove it, it's five minutes from downtown,

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takes five minutes to get out to Devil's Lake,

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the people come to downtown

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Baraboo from Devils Lake.

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I'm sure the people out there in the new building area will come down and

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support the people downtown, the businesses.

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Just like that new began furniture will help with people being right there to

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these building projects are going to bring people to Baraboo

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and when I was on council many business owners said they're on razor thin margins.

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People don't shop down there mainly because

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it wasn't a grocery store, we'll now, again, furniture project, there'd be a grocery store.

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So I think this is a good thing for Baraboo to maintain the downtown businesses and

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be prosperous.

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There's an idea that this will endanger Pewitt's nest to stay protected area.

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I don't believe that at all, because then the proposed development near Devils Lake would

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endanger Devils Lake.

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I think that's just an excuse to stop increased tax revenue for the City of Baraboo, which

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we badly need. I wasn't made aware of this when I was on

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City Council, but we are short in there in 20,000 this year,

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because money was improperly taken out of a tiff district to pay

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for operating expense, it's like robbing Peter to pay Paul. But the

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costs are increasing for police, fire, snow removal, street

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repairs, and these building projects are going to bring in

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needed tax revenue in order to take care of the increased cost.

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If you don't want the wheel tax to jump from 20 to 40 per vehicle, because we were looking

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for ways to fund all our increased costs, and this is the way to do it through new building

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projects.

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But if you don't want the wheel tax to jump up to 40, well then let's go ahead and approve

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these developments.

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For me, the compulsive plan for 2005 covers that area, it wouldn't change much with an

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an updated plan. I think merely it's an attempt to stop or delay new building projects

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for our city from people who want to keep arable small. If we stay small and we don't

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have the revenue for income coming in to pay for increased cost, we'll end up dying

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out. We'll have you start wrapping things up,

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right? I will do that, sir.

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I guess lastly, I'll just say the

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Bible says there is wisdom in the council of many. I trust you guys on city council. I

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I worked with you for 12 years.

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I know you do your research, you do your homework,

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and I would urge you to override the mayor's veto

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and then pass this for that spirit lake development.

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Thank you.

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Thanks, Mayor.

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Next up we have Bill Dagnon.

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Very much.

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I just really want to state that I back the mayor's veto

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for the reasons he stated.

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I read that article on the paper twice

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and I think it's very well thought out.

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I'm very concerned that the new highway 12 will turn out like the old one where you build up and build up and build up until you don't even know there is a country around here.

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And it's going to take a lot of thought and planning to see what should be west of the highway 12.

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I know there was a special ruling just to get the substation there for the electrical.

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And a lot of thought went into that.

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So I appreciate your work on that.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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And next up is Marianne Cotter.

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Hello, I'm Marianne Cotter.

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I live at 907 Second Street.

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I'm here to encourage you as council members

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to sustain Mayor Nelson's veto of the approval

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of the development agreement with Spirit Lake LLC.

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And it's really for two reasons.

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Primarily, one is the rural.

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I think it would seriously erode the rural character of Barabu and would also promote urban

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sprawl.

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In his memorandum, Mayor Nelson said, preserving the rural character and view scapes west

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of the highway enhances the allure of our community and provides a valuable balance to the commercial

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corridors on the east side of the highway.

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And I completely agree with him.

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Building 254 apartments west of Highway 12 plus additional commercial development would

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significantly alter the perception of Baraboo to people traveling on Highway 12 and I

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don't think that would be in a positive way.

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My husband and I chose to buy a home and retire in Baraboo partly because we appreciate

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that rural feeling of this small town which has so much natural beauty surrounding it.

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The conservation vibe of Baraboo was a big draw for me as it is for many others who

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choose to make this their home.

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This proposed development would seriously erode, I think, that special quality of Baraboo

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as a community that values its natural resources.

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Secondly, urban sprawl.

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Residents of this proposed apartments could neither walk nor bike safely into town.

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They'd have to get in their cars to do just about anything.

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Why is that important?

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Because many, because, along with many others in Barabu, I believe that it's vitally important we do everything to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to avoid the worst effects of climate change.

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Reducing emissions from gas-powered cars is part of this picture.

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If this development goes through, there would, I believe, be pressured to build even more amenities to support the people now living out there making further urban sprawl.

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even more likely, and that would mean people driving even more.

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As much as possible, let's make bearable a place where people can walk and bike to get

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groceries, go to school, work, enjoy cultural activities, and eat out.

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Clearly, there is a need for more housing in bearable, but let's approve new housing

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and other development in a climate smart way.

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You have a chance to make this more likely tonight by taking a step back and thinking about

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the bigger picture.

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So I urge you to sustain Mayor Nelson's veto of this proposed Spirit Lake development.

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Finally, it's crucial that there be open and meaningful community engagement in what kind

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of development happens in Baraboo going forward.

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Thank you for all you are doing to make this city, make sure this city staff puts creating

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a new comprehensive plan on the top of their to-do list.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. A Bruce Stewart is next.

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Thank you. My name is Bruce Stewart. I live at 1618 Algonquin Drive in Baraboo. I've lived here since 1998. And my wife and I oppose development at this time on lands to the west of Highway 12 and at the entrance to Devils Lake State Park for four reasons. Number one, the process has not employed meaningful public discussion. The city of Baraboo comprehensive plan points to a separate,

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detailed planning process for these, quote, urban reserve areas, unquote.

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That employs public participation and creates a preliminary concept plan.

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The city should then require compliance with this detailed plan as a condition of annexation.

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These steps are detailed on page 88 of the comprehensive plan.

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Our second concern is the loss of prime agricultural land.

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The soils on the land west of Highway 12 are classified as prime farmland.

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The comprehensive plan states on page 40 quote, the poorer soils are preferred development

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areas for the city where the land is able to adequately be served by public infrastructure.

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Our prime agricultural farmland is best used to grow food.

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Our third concern is the proximity of the area west of Highway 12 to skill at creek, pew

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next state natural area and ultimately the bearable river.

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The comprehensive plan states as a goal on page 48, quote,

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prevent future problems associated with developing land too close

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to natural areas, drainageways and flood plains, unquote.

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Development here will produce volumes of run-off from roofs and

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impervious surfaces that could have potential impacts on

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sensitive ecological areas.

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Our fourth concern is the risk of urban sprawl.

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One characteristic of urban sprawl is automobile dependency.

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Transportation from residential areas west of Highway 12 will be difficult via any means other than car.

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We should be encouraging walking and biking like the extremely popular river walk.

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A second characteristic of urban sprawl is strip development.

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Do we want to see a ribbon of residential and commercial properties along the west side

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of Highway 12 as we're beginning to see along the east side?

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Driving along Highway 12, you would be in a tunnel of development, like the entrances

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to so many communities across our country.

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Bearaboo is unique, being surrounded by rolling agricultural land and the bearaboo range.

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Let's maintain and enhance the quality of life that that landscape inspires and

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contributes to by planning wisely, carefully, and with caution following the steps set out in the

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comprehensive plan created by the leaders that came before us. To do otherwise, there's

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too much at stake to do otherwise. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Samuel, are you poking it? Just next.

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I'm Sam Poston. I live at 218 Seconds Street here in Bearbrook. I speak in support of the Mayor's

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position. When I talk about people I know, bring your makeup a little bit so

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big. Thank you. When I talk to people I know who don't live here when I tell

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about Barbaro is what makes Barbaro special is it has a vibrant downtown. You

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put that apartment complex west of the highway. To me that takes away from it.

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You want to keep the downtown vibrant. You got to have development closer to

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downtown so people go there mostly. That development west of the highway, people

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people are going to go to the businesses that are close to that development.

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We know what those businesses are.

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That's not the downtown business.

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The other aspect of it is bearable looks beautiful when you're driving to it.

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You drive out of it going west, it's the most beautiful place, but in that development

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there will kill it.

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And once you lose the charm of bearable, that's it, it'll be difficult to get that back.

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We do need development.

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The world's going to change.

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We can't change that.

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But there's developments downtown and I think that's the way to go if you have to do it

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It'll support the downtown. There's plenty of towns here in this state that do not have a vibrant downtown

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We don't want to lose that. Thank you. Thank you

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Next up we have Ryan Devine

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Ryan Devine 701 Wallnut Street

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I grew up my whole life in bearable. I watched a lot of things change. I personally spent a lot of time

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on the very wherever, enjoying it, enjoying the beauty of this town.

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I have a couple questions for the City Council that I will ask you to think about when it comes to the Oak Street development.

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The $3.5 million. I know a lot of it comes from grants, but how much of it exactly does?

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What is the exact purpose of the project aside from the safety? I understand that.

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How much created parking would we get out of it as people move to this community and

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become more and more popular, I think we all understand that parking is a situation

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in Baraboo.

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And how does this project benefit the citizens of Baraboo?

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Is it something that we need or is it something that we think we want?

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I just feel like if we can get grants for things in this city that maybe we can get grants

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for things that might better benefit not only the citizens of Baraboo, but the tourists that come

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into this town. Thank you. Thank you.

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Next up we have Todd Pershi.

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Hi, my name is Todd Pershi.

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I live at South 6674 Freedom Road in the town of Freedom and I am the Director for the Baraboo

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Range Preservation Association. We are a local land trust working throughout the bluffs as well as

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in the city, our office is in the civic center and we have close to 350 members, the great majority

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of them live pretty close to here. Our mission is and has always been to preserve and protect

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the qualities and culture of the bearable range which you've heard expressed here at night.

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I had a lot of other things I was going to say, interest of not repeating them, I will not mention

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them, but I will mention that our group formed 30 years ago exactly because of this urban sprawl

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issue. We don't want to look like everybody else. We have biological treasure in those hills.

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We've done an awesome job. I would say on the township level, the county level,

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and the city level, we've done a nice job of interfacing development with the wild places.

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And I think up into this point, I've been pretty happy with it. I'm here tonight to support Mayor

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Robb's recent veto of the planned subdivision, but I really have a bigger issue that I would

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would like to address with you folks.

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I don't recognize your process often for bringing these development proposals up anymore.

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I don't recognize some of the stuff that happens in closed session.

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In our 30 years of working of planning and zoning, you've pretty much had open processes.

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You've involved the public, you've gone out of the way to involve the public, and I would

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really love it if you could return to that.

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Also, many members in our group that have talked about making bearable, livable, walkable,

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greener community, it's in your resolutions.

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You have that sitting somewhere in your charters.

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00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:09,030
I would love to see you return and think more about those situations.

446
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:17,330
Another thing some people have brought up is the urban sprawl we see now is a reminder of

447
00:38:17,330 --> 00:38:22,970
the 1980s and 90s but with this caveat, we now know the climate change is a major problem.

448
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:27,430
I mean, what is today? Valentine's Day, my neighbor's sap is running in their maple trees.

449
00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:34,810
The yard is green in my yard. That never used to happen. So building things that bring

450
00:38:34,810 --> 00:38:39,610
more cars and more trips to the area, it just makes absolutely no sense to me. And we haven't

451
00:38:39,610 --> 00:38:45,270
done it yet. We still have an opportunity to back off on that. The other thing that kind

452
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:52,330
of bothers me is technically a lot of the process that goes on. It is legal, but I have some

453
00:38:52,810 --> 00:38:59,290
It just feels like ethical irresponsibility to not try more and more to reach out to the public.

454
00:38:59,650 --> 00:39:04,930
It's great to see the newspaper here, but if Rob, if you had not vetoed this process,

455
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:08,230
I would have had no idea that this was even going on.

456
00:39:08,670 --> 00:39:09,930
Well, have you started writing the paper?

457
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:11,710
Well, let's start to wrap it up here, okay?

458
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:15,130
Yeah, I'm just letting you know that that's my main thing.

459
00:39:15,370 --> 00:39:18,650
So the last meeting we were at, we were talking about annexing something.

460
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:34,290
Brian Hazard had a great idea to just pause, put all these things kind of on the table and come up with your comprehensive plan to just take it easy and ask you to do that, sir.

461
00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:35,250
Thanks, brother.

462
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:38,450
James O'Neil is next.

463
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:38,650
Next.

464
00:39:47,530 --> 00:39:48,150
Thank you.

465
00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:49,050
I'm James O'Neill.

466
00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:52,010
I live at 9.23, Manchester Street, in bearable.

467
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:55,870
I agree with the mayor's veto.

468
00:39:56,070 --> 00:39:58,070
I want you to uphold the veto.

469
00:39:59,410 --> 00:40:05,110
And I won't repeat the many eloquent arguments that have been given to you.

470
00:40:05,250 --> 00:40:09,230
But I just want you to know that I would like you to uphold that veto.

471
00:40:09,730 --> 00:40:09,990
Thank you.

472
00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:11,570
Thank you.

473
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:15,050
Next up is Wayne Muffet.

474
00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:24,130
Good evening.

475
00:40:24,310 --> 00:40:25,250
My name is Wayne Muffet.

476
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:27,790
Okay, I live at 215 Ninth Street.

477
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:34,350
I'm a partner in law firm that's been in variable for 130 years.

478
00:40:34,610 --> 00:40:38,970
I've only been with the firm a small number of those years, not my partner.

479
00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:45,190
Jerome's been there longer, but it's been my privilege over the years to

480
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:49,950
represent a number of municipalities and governmental entities, including towns.

481
00:40:51,250 --> 00:41:11,970
I'm here to also support Mayor Nelson's veto of the bill, and for the reasons that were stated, however my main reason to be here tonight is to voice my objection to the process that was followed here because I disagree with my friend Todd Persi.

482
00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:18,750
I don't think the city abided by the law when it passed this resolution last month.

483
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:23,070
And specifically, the Open Meeting Law.

484
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:31,110
In 1976, Wisconsin passed what were called Wisconsin Sunshine Laws, which included

485
00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:32,810
the Open Meeting Law.

486
00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:40,170
When it passed that law, it said the legislature, quote, it is declared to be the policy of

487
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:46,370
this state that the public is entitled to the fullest and most complete information regarding

488
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:52,170
the affairs of government as is compatible with the conduct of governmental business.

489
00:41:53,470 --> 00:42:01,750
Now with regard to meetings, the law says today at any meeting of a governmental body all

490
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:09,530
discussion shall be held and all action of any kind formal or informal shall be initiated

491
00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:16,570
deliberated upon and acted upon only in open session except as provided in section

492
00:42:16,570 --> 00:42:24,230
nineteen point eighty five okay now I looked at the agenda last month when

493
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:32,890
this was passed and item sixteen says closed session under nineteen point eighty

494
00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:37,690
five per and one per and e to review the terms and conditions of a proposed

495
00:42:37,690 --> 00:42:47,370
development agreement with respect to spirit lake. Now 19.85 per and one per

496
00:42:47,370 --> 00:42:53,430
and e is an exemption to the rule that you have to discuss and deliberate

497
00:42:53,430 --> 00:43:00,010
everything in open session. What that exemption says is that you may go into

498
00:43:00,010 --> 00:43:05,770
closed session for deliberating or negotiating the purchasing of public

499
00:43:05,770 --> 00:43:11,270
public properties, the investing of public funds, or conducting other specified public

500
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:17,410
business, whenever competitive or bargaining reasons required a closed session.

501
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:18,990
Well, have you start wrapping up here Wayne?

502
00:43:19,470 --> 00:43:19,570
Okay.

503
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:23,850
The point is there was already a deal.

504
00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:26,450
There was no negotiating to be done.

505
00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:30,010
That was not an applicable exemption last month.

506
00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:35,890
You can't have a deal done and then go in the closed session and discuss it.

507
00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:36,890
All right, thank you.

508
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:37,410
Okay.

509
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:38,330
Thank you.

510
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:41,470
Next up is Tom Kriego.

511
00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:50,140
Thank you.

512
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:57,320
I'm here to support the veto of Mayor Nelson of the Spirit Lake proposal.

513
00:43:58,340 --> 00:44:07,120
And I have to say that I agree with all the great points that the previous speakers supporting that veto have stated tonight.

514
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:14,020
I also like to acknowledge that Mayor Nelson made several excellent points.

515
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:21,620
Any single which one would be enough to reverse the vote of the City Council.

516
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:26,020
But I'd like to make a couple of other points that other speakers haven't made.

517
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,580
There was an argument made that this is needed for the tax space.

518
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:36,920
And I'm going to read some comments here to try to keep on time.

519
00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:46,820
But it was shown a long time ago that a town city or village cannot grow itself out of property tax.

520
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:56,980
If that was possible, there should be no property tax in large cities such as Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York.

521
00:44:57,620 --> 00:44:59,960
I have friends that own property in a couple of...

522
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,860
All of those cities, Madison and Milwaukee, and they think their property taxes are too high. And that's because every time you add growth, you add expenses that offset any income that is added. The other problem that you have is that a tax incremental finance district is a mechanism by which local governments can also engage in corporate welfare.

523
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:39,320
Every tax incremental finance district causes a wealth and income distribution from outside

524
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:45,080
of that TIF district to inside that TIF district.

525
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:52,700
So if you build a house in a township, not only do you expect to pay for the cost of your

526
00:45:52,700 --> 00:46:00,160
well, your septic system, your driveway, and you will pay your property taxes to pay

527
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,600
for the expenses of your township, of your school district, of the county, the vocational

528
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:12,340
technical school, and you will have already paid for all of this infrastructure outside

529
00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:17,980
of your property taxes. So you are paying for the infrastructure that's already there.

530
00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:34,120
In too many tax incremental finance districts, most of your property taxes that you pay for 20, 25 years just goes to pay for the infrastructure that's sort of like the septic system, etc.

531
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:36,480
We'll have you step wrapping up here Tom, we're almost done with time.

532
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:47,800
Okay, so there's no good economic advantage for doing this development and especially doing it with a tax incremental finance district.

533
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:57,160
So again, I urge you to uphold the mayor's veto and take another look at this in a more open way.

534
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:57,820
Thank you.

535
00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:58,300
Thank you.

536
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,480
Next up is Jennifer Stewart.

537
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,780
Hello,

538
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,120
I'm Jennifer Stewart.

539
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,880
I live at 1618 Elgonquin Drive in Baraboo.

540
00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:19,340
My husband Bruce spoke previously.

541
00:47:20,140 --> 00:47:23,520
And as he remarked, we both share the points

542
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,820
that he shared with you.

543
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,560
And so I registered to speak to also just provide

544
00:47:29,130 --> 00:47:34,240
our personal endorsement of keeping development

545
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:39,940
in Baraboo condensed and focused on areas

546
00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:42,640
There are already slated for development.

547
00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:47,480
We came to this town because I fell in love with it in 1993,

548
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,540
and it convinced a packer fan to move from Green Bay.

549
00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:56,880
We've left twice and keep coming back

550
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,460
because we love it so much,

551
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,000
and we'll likely stay for a long time.

552
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,480
We have raised a child here.

553
00:48:04,820 --> 00:48:06,540
We're involved with community activities,

554
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:14,200
And so we do want to continue to stay here and that what's important to us is that rural

555
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,840
characters surrounding the town and a vibrant town.

556
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:28,480
And so appreciate your support of Mary Nelson's veto and not developing especially west

557
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,240
of Highway 12.

558
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:31,760
Thank you for your service.

559
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:43,360
I used to work for University Extension, especially supporting local municipalities and Steven's point, and I know how much time you invest in our community and I appreciate it.

560
00:48:44,260 --> 00:48:44,640
Thank you.

561
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:46,100
Thank you.

562
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:49,840
And that brings up Patrick Liston.

563
00:48:56,610 --> 00:49:05,550
Good evening. My name is Pat Liston. I live at 1013 Manchester Street in City of Bearaboo, and I'm not going to echo all of

564
00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:11,950
Well, really good arguments I heard tonight about sustaining the mayor's veto, but I certainly hope you do that.

565
00:49:12,830 --> 00:49:14,670
There's a number of concerns I have.

566
00:49:15,350 --> 00:49:20,230
One, you haven't had an updated comprehensive plan since 2005.

567
00:49:21,610 --> 00:49:30,710
I mean, and so you're building any available piece of land, you're just plugging down something, and you have no basis for doing it.

568
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:32,590
You don't look at the impact on schools.

569
00:49:32,590 --> 00:49:36,850
I mean, there's all kinds of issues that you have not looked at.

570
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:40,370
The other thing I'm concerned about is a lack of transparency.

571
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:45,770
Since the last year and a half, you folks have done a lot of stuff in secret.

572
00:49:47,350 --> 00:49:49,170
And I think that's wrong.

573
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:50,830
I don't know if it's legal or not.

574
00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:53,170
I'll let the attorneys deal with that.

575
00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:57,290
But if it's legal or not, it's definitely wrong.

576
00:49:57,550 --> 00:50:01,250
You need to invite the public to further input.

577
00:50:01,250 --> 00:50:10,010
I mean, you represent 13,000 other people, and they have the right to have their say so.

578
00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:11,250
Thank you.

579
00:50:12,190 --> 00:50:12,910
Thank you.

580
00:50:15,340 --> 00:50:17,660
And I believe that's everyone who wanted to speak.

581
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,360
Is that correct?

582
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,200
Anybody else who wanted to address council?

583
00:50:23,260 --> 00:50:23,420
Right.

584
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:24,120
Thank you all.

585
00:50:25,740 --> 00:50:29,320
Moving on, Mayor's business, just a couple of election-related things tonight.

586
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:33,560
The spring primary is scheduled for Tuesday, February 21st.

587
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:39,540
All City of Berville residents vote at the Civic Center, and the polls will be open from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m.

588
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:46,460
If you want to vote early, in-person absentee voting is available at the clerk's office here in the Civic Center

589
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:50,860
during business hours up until Friday, February 17th.

590
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:51,900
Is that correct, Brenda?

591
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:52,320
Correct.

592
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:53,300
Okay, thank you.

593
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,260
And that takes us to consent.

594
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:02,560
Item 1 is approve the accounts payable to be paid in the amount of $6,795,907.

595
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:08,460
nine hundred seven dollars in 64 cents and item two is approved the temporary alcohol license

596
00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:13,900
application for downtown bearbue rue ha ha March 10, 2023.

597
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,940
Oh sure, probably again. Second.

598
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,540
We have motion in a second to approve consent agenda. Would you please call the roll?

599
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:23,520
Sloan.

600
00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:28,400
Here's it.

601
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:28,780
Aye.

602
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:30,400
Sir O.

603
00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:30,660
Aye.

604
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:31,400
Wheat again.

605
00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:31,880
Aye.

606
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:32,420
Cold.

607
00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:32,760
Aye.

608
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:33,420
Hazard.

609
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:33,740
Aye.

610
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:34,160
Kent.

611
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:34,540
Aye.

612
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:35,120
Petty.

613
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:35,600
Aye.

614
00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:36,340
Ellington.

615
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:36,640
Aye.

616
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,700
Consent passes unanimously.

617
00:51:39,020 --> 00:51:39,300
Thank you.

618
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:40,560
Item 11.

619
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,040
Ordnance is on second reading.

620
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,280
11.1.

621
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,220
Consider approving the annexation of certain lands in the town of Barrow, which is the city of Barrow.

622
00:51:49,540 --> 00:51:52,940
This was passed in the first reading at our last meeting.

623
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,020
Does anyone need a refresher on this item?

624
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,120
motion to approve, Petty.

625
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:58,740
Second.

626
00:51:59,380 --> 00:52:02,860
All right, we have a motion and a second to approve the annexation of certain lands

627
00:52:02,860 --> 00:52:04,080
into the city of Baraboo.

628
00:52:04,580 --> 00:52:06,140
Any further discussion on the motion?

629
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:07,980
I'd like to make a statement.

630
00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:09,380
Go ahead.

631
00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:15,200
I expressed some concerns about the annexation in the first meeting.

632
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:21,840
And some of those I won't bother repeating some of that, but it was a preference for

633
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:27,680
infill projects, it was concerned about what impact this would have on Devil's

634
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,940
Lake State Park and some of the early ideas that were floated were somewhat

635
00:52:31,940 --> 00:52:37,860
unappealing. I also mentioned the irregular boundaries between the city and

636
00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:44,640
the township and I remember in the past that Mayor Liston at that time he was

637
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,460
trying to straighten out those boundaries so that we could do more infill projects

638
00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:50,060
and stuff.

639
00:52:52,380 --> 00:53:02,420
I think that the other side of that is that the positive points of annexation

640
00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:08,860
is that the city had been in control of those properties and could provide extensive review

641
00:53:08,860 --> 00:53:16,300
of any potential development out there. I like the idea of Salui's residential development,

642
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:19,240
but the rest seems kind of undefined.

643
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:24,160
Our outdated comprehensive plan, which we still rely on,

644
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,500
says that the city ultimately would like to see this area,

645
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:31,160
and that's the area around Devil's Lake State Park,

646
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,620
incorporated into the city proper.

647
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:38,900
I've had the opportunity to meet with two of the owners

648
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:42,600
out there who have stated that their intent

649
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,860
is to have a high quality development

650
00:53:44,860 --> 00:53:47,560
that would appeal to bearable residents.

651
00:53:48,180 --> 00:53:50,960
I believe that there's sincere in this, however.

652
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,020
Our outdated comprehensive plan does say

653
00:53:54,020 --> 00:53:57,440
that premature development should not be promoted.

654
00:53:58,340 --> 00:54:00,680
And I quote, it is a direction of this plan

655
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,220
that a separate detailed planning process

656
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:07,280
be followed that employs meaningful public participation.

657
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,340
And with that in mind, if the owners,

658
00:54:10,340 --> 00:54:33,680
and by extension any potential developer that they hire would commit to engage the public in a transparent matter through open forums, involving city residents, business entities, civic groups on, civic groups on the record, I would be willing to change my no vote that I originally cast.

659
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:41,580
So, I guess I would ask Greg MacArthur, I mean you've been the spokesman of the group.

660
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:53,840
Greg MacArthur, I did have a chance to talk to some of you and very productive conversations

661
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:54,840
I learned a lot.

662
00:54:55,340 --> 00:55:00,100
I mean I learned what we needed to do a better job with communication to the public communication

663
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:00,820
to you.

664
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,920
And I also learned today that speaking to Jason that there's committees.

665
00:55:05,260 --> 00:55:07,580
Committees can have a play a big role here too.

666
00:55:07,580 --> 00:55:14,820
So what I did tonight is I invited Bill Ryan from ADCI to give a just a brief overview.

667
00:55:15,780 --> 00:55:21,220
Five years ago we started working with Bill, Bill came up with a plan that got us excited.

668
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:27,040
Something that we thought we could be very proud of as bearable residents to do the right thing with that property.

669
00:55:27,260 --> 00:55:30,880
If you look at the property now, it's kind of a mess and it needs to get cleaned up.

670
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,440
So Bill, I'd like you to just come up and-

671
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,300
Before you do that, right, could I ask a question?

672
00:55:36,340 --> 00:55:36,480
Sure.

673
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:41,760
Are you, as a group, committed both you and any developers

674
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:48,900
you hire to conduct a transparent review involving

675
00:55:49,460 --> 00:55:51,720
city residents, business partners?

676
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:52,400
Absolutely.

677
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:53,400
Absolutely.

678
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,220
And I think what's most important with that

679
00:55:56,220 --> 00:55:58,480
is you have to be transparent.

680
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,860
Otherwise, you waste time.

681
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:02,960
If we bring something, if we spend a lot of money

682
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,180
a developer spends a lot of money to bring a plan to the table and it gets shot down because

683
00:56:07,180 --> 00:56:11,780
you haven't seen it and we surprise you with it which by the way I apologize for that book

684
00:56:11,780 --> 00:56:15,280
that I gave you because I think there was some assumptions that that's just what we're going

685
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,720
to do no that's just a vision plan so absolutely I mean I think that's most important you know in

686
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:26,120
business you you work with your people you work with your team I think this whole community's a team

687
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,300
needs to be so thank you

688
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:35,670
I'll keep this very brief because I know it's getting long tonight

689
00:56:36,510 --> 00:56:41,330
I'm Bill Ryan with Architectural Design Consultants ADCI and we're the architect working with

690
00:56:41,330 --> 00:56:42,230
Greg and his partnership.

691
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:48,090
And I'm not sure I can express more enthusiasm for the idea of annexation and being part

692
00:56:48,090 --> 00:56:51,010
of the City of Bearwood in the Great Can, but I'll do my best.

693
00:56:51,830 --> 00:56:55,650
Tonight we heard some comments about keep bearwood special.

694
00:56:56,650 --> 00:57:00,210
That's exactly what Greg and his partnership team really want to do.

695
00:57:01,570 --> 00:57:05,050
Devel's Lake is precious to the city of Barbarale, precious to Saucone.

696
00:57:06,310 --> 00:57:12,970
And when we designed for Randy Scott, the tumbled rock restaurant brewery out there,

697
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:19,530
Randy Scott wanted that to be a very enhanced addition to the gateway of Devel's Lake.

698
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:25,550
And we want to do no less as we continue to clean up some of the property that Greg has out there,

699
00:57:25,570 --> 00:57:27,470
as you know it could certainly use some improvement.

700
00:57:28,690 --> 00:57:31,150
and that's what this whole development idea is about.

701
00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:36,330
We're looking to not put as much density as we possibly can.

702
00:57:37,590 --> 00:57:42,830
We work with developers that would put significant property on that land.

703
00:57:43,090 --> 00:57:44,290
This is not what they're out to do.

704
00:57:44,410 --> 00:57:47,530
They're not out to see how much they can fit on there.

705
00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:52,130
They're out there to see what they can provide that's really nice for the entrance of devil's lake.

706
00:57:53,130 --> 00:57:56,550
I look at it from my perspective when I listen to what they want to do.

707
00:57:56,550 --> 00:58:05,730
So when my children and my grandchildren go to Devils Lake, they can't, they go get a tent, they sleep on the ground, that's not me, I'm not doing that anymore.

708
00:58:06,450 --> 00:58:23,370
We might be able to create a housing development, a rental community or and a small boutique hotel or whatever we do out there to create somebody like myself coming out to that area and staying in that building.

709
00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:28,790
and then going out and joining my grandkids and my son and daughter and so on,

710
00:58:28,810 --> 00:58:31,370
out there as part of the devil's lake experience.

711
00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:34,430
So I think by doing the right thing out there,

712
00:58:34,450 --> 00:58:37,410
whatever that comprehensive plan submission will be later on,

713
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:41,570
we'll show you that what we're trying to do out there is the right thing.

714
00:58:42,210 --> 00:58:44,810
And I'm here to answer any questions.

715
00:58:45,110 --> 00:58:47,310
If you have any, I'm happy to answer.

716
00:58:47,950 --> 00:58:50,170
But keep in mind this isn't such early stages.

717
00:58:50,170 --> 00:58:51,830
We're really here about annexation.

718
00:58:51,830 --> 00:58:57,150
and we're really not here to circumvent any open meetings.

719
00:59:00,530 --> 00:59:01,990
Any questions from Mr. Ryan?

720
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:05,190
All right, thank you.

721
00:59:05,490 --> 00:59:05,830
Thank you.

722
00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:07,390
All right,

723
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,380
I think we have a motion and second on the floor, is that correct?

724
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:15,820
I do.

725
00:59:15,980 --> 00:59:16,240
We do?

726
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,920
Is there any other discussion on the motion to approve the annexation?

727
00:59:22,650 --> 00:59:23,970
All right, hearing none, please call the roll.

728
00:59:24,670 --> 00:59:25,070
Curesick.

729
00:59:25,230 --> 00:59:25,350
Hi.

730
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:26,530
Thurough.

731
00:59:26,830 --> 00:59:26,930
Hi.

732
00:59:27,470 --> 00:59:27,830
Weedekin.

733
00:59:27,970 --> 00:59:28,130
Hi.

734
00:59:28,450 --> 00:59:28,670
Cole.

735
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:29,150
Hi.

736
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:29,210
Aye.

737
00:59:29,590 --> 00:59:30,150
Asard.

738
00:59:30,430 --> 00:59:30,570
Aye.

739
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:31,410
Kent.

740
00:59:31,590 --> 00:59:31,770
Aye.

741
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:32,590
Petty.

742
00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:33,090
Aye.

743
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:33,890
Helington.

744
00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:34,270
Aye.

745
00:59:34,690 --> 00:59:35,030
Sloan.

746
00:59:35,690 --> 00:59:36,250
Aye.

747
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:37,490
All right.

748
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:38,650
Motion passes unanimously.

749
00:59:38,970 --> 00:59:39,270
Thank you.

750
00:59:40,550 --> 00:59:41,830
On to new business.

751
00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:43,870
12.1.

752
00:59:44,350 --> 00:59:45,290
Development agreement with Spirit Lake.

753
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:49,630
Consideration of the mayor's veto of the Council of January 24th approval of the Spirit Lake

754
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:50,870
Development Agreement.

755
00:59:52,170 --> 00:59:55,130
I believe everybody got a copy of the memo.

756
00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:56,490
I issued a couple of weeks ago.

757
00:59:56,490 --> 00:59:59,690
So, Mayor, did we skip 10.2?

758
01:00:00,270 --> 01:00:06,890
There was not consent. Oh, okay. We just did 11.1 and now thank you. Now we're on 12.1.

759
01:00:09,390 --> 01:00:26,990
So as I was saying, I believe everybody got a memo of the reasons that I issued the veto and I don't feel like I need to go over those again, unless somebody wants me to, but I don't think I do. I think everyone also should have gotten a letter from the developers, which I believe was yesterday, is that right?

760
01:00:28,170 --> 01:00:31,150
with some of their additional information in that.

761
01:00:33,210 --> 01:00:36,890
So I guess I will open it up for discussion if you can.

762
01:00:37,890 --> 01:00:39,790
Travis come up and discuss his letter.

763
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:43,610
Would you like to say anything to council Travis?

764
01:00:44,130 --> 01:00:44,850
Sure. Thank you.

765
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:52,560
Appreciate the time mayor and my name is Travis Zick.

766
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:56,640
I am apparently I'm the only one of spirit lake who doesn't have

767
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:02,760
good Valentine's plan so I get to be here tonight. No, I'm just kidding. I appreciate

768
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:08,260
the time and the opportunity to come in. I listened and I respect everyone's

769
01:01:08,260 --> 01:01:12,000
opinions and every comment that's been made. I think it's part of what makes

770
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,380
bearable so great is that we do have a diverse, you know, diverse outlook, a

771
01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:20,800
diverse group of people here. I've been a bearable resident my entire life with

772
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:25,460
the exception of college up until a year and a half ago when I became an empty

773
01:01:25,460 --> 01:01:30,100
yesterday and moved to Merrimack to downsize, but I was raised in this community. I love

774
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:36,460
this community. It's been our intention. We bought this property in 2005 from Sheriff

775
01:01:36,460 --> 01:01:42,500
Mike Spencer. It's been our intention all along to someday put together a high quality

776
01:01:43,220 --> 01:01:49,000
gateway type development that the community will be proud of and that people will be attracted

777
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:54,920
to when they come into town as the entryway to bearable. We've been working on this project

778
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,140
for a year and a half.

779
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,120
We've been working very closely for the past year

780
01:02:01,740 --> 01:02:04,920
to try to put together and answer some legitimate concerns

781
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,160
and legitimate questions that have come up along the way.

782
01:02:08,060 --> 01:02:09,960
And I feel like we've put together a project

783
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,740
that is a tremendous and will be a tremendous asset

784
01:02:12,740 --> 01:02:13,400
to bearable.

785
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,980
I think it hits on some areas that are desperately in need

786
01:02:17,980 --> 01:02:18,720
in the community.

787
01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:20,860
Obviously the big one being housing.

788
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,740
You all had a housing study done,

789
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:30,360
Sock County did a housing study a few years ago we paid for our own study to be done before we even started down this path

790
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:36,420
And they all say the same thing. There's a drastic shortage in in bearable, especially in rental units

791
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,680
You know, we've you've heard commentary about the tax base and the need to grow

792
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:49,140
Obviously, you know commercial is is is also an area where bearable needs some additional sites

793
01:02:49,740 --> 01:02:55,700
Just to be honest, there's very little to nothing that's affordable for a commercial business look into come here.

794
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:59,160
And that's why we haven't seen much for a long, long time.

795
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,180
This site will offer some of those opportunities as well.

796
01:03:03,820 --> 01:03:10,440
But I want to make clear, as Bill said, this is, we're early on in this process as well.

797
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:16,980
So as interest comes along for businesses or for commercial development out there,

798
01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:23,960
So we want to work with the city to make sure that it's the right businesses, that it's the right type of buildings that are going up out there.

799
01:03:24,540 --> 01:03:27,000
The type of thing that, again, is going to be attractive to people.

800
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,020
And the last thing I want to say is, again, I've lived here my whole life.

801
01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:34,440
I love so much of what bearable brings.

802
01:03:34,820 --> 01:03:36,720
And we have a tremendous amount of assets here.

803
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,260
The river is a tremendous asset, downtown bearable is a tremendous asset.

804
01:03:41,820 --> 01:03:46,140
Devils Lake is a tremendous asset, and the bypass is a tremendous asset.

805
01:03:46,140 --> 01:03:47,620
And they don't have to compete.

806
01:03:48,340 --> 01:03:51,660
They all bring their own appeal, they all bring their own positives, and

807
01:03:51,660 --> 01:03:53,880
they all attract people to the area.

808
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:59,000
The area in front of our property has the highest traffic count anywhere in the city of Beirutville.

809
01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:01,040
That is appealing.

810
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:07,680
That brings the type of businesses, the type of people, the type of facilities that we want out there.

811
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,620
And again, I understand some of the concerns that have been raised.

812
01:04:12,620 --> 01:04:19,540
and I appreciate everybody coming out tonight to share their thoughts, and I just hope that you all see,

813
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:24,480
and I hope you had a chance to read through the information I sent, the positives that come along

814
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,400
with this project, and that you'll again vote as you did last month to pass it on.

815
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,740
Thank you. Thank you. Jake, did you have something you wanted to say as well?

816
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:43,850
Not much. I just kind of want to reiterate what Travis said, and I want to thank the council and the

817
01:04:43,850 --> 01:04:46,530
city for crafting what I think is a great development agreement.

818
01:04:47,610 --> 01:04:52,850
I'm sorry, I'm Jake Buswell, one of the developers of the multi-family piece in the development agreement.

819
01:04:54,210 --> 01:05:00,270
And I'll just, if I don't say we will build a nice property, aesthetically pleasing property.

820
01:05:00,930 --> 01:05:07,250
It's kind of designed after one of our other properties off of a highway 53 and on Alaska, it'll look very similar.

821
01:05:07,250 --> 01:05:37,230
It'll be an attractive building and buildings and yeah, just want to thank you for the opportunity to come up and speak today and I think the city has that demand and supply report on their website and that really outlines the the stark shortage of supply in this area and we sought first hand with our rapid river development that property we had all the deposits down five months before we had full occupancy on the building and I've

822
01:05:37,230 --> 01:05:41,270
I've heard that the Greenfield states has similar demand.

823
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:44,710
I've seen similar demand over the last few years.

824
01:05:45,810 --> 01:05:47,110
That's really all I have to add.

825
01:05:47,450 --> 01:05:50,010
It will be a nice walkable property as well.

826
01:05:50,510 --> 01:05:51,730
I drove by it on the way here.

827
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:54,130
There's a sidewalk that connects from this property

828
01:05:54,130 --> 01:05:55,610
already to the town.

829
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:59,710
You can literally walk to Walmart within a couple of minutes.

830
01:06:01,630 --> 01:06:03,770
And yeah, I guess that's really all I had.

831
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:04,130
Thank you.

832
01:06:04,270 --> 01:06:04,410
All right.

833
01:06:04,910 --> 01:06:05,370
Thank you, Jake.

834
01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:10,950
We appeared with the loss of Alderman Sloan again and trying to pick him back up back

835
01:06:15,820 --> 01:06:17,380
with us. Okay. All right.

836
01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:27,240
I like the common mayor. I'll go ahead and go ahead and first can down the road to get things started if other council members chooses to participate.

837
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:34,080
First of all, thank you all for being here. This is like the largest crowd I've seen in the gallery. Since we're looking about urban chickens.

838
01:06:35,260 --> 01:06:40,760
It's a packed house. There's a hot topic. So yeah, we got we've got urban chickens.

839
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:53,760
I'm an extreme pragmatist, but I'm also a person that does a lot of research and a lot of homework, and I did read the mayors memo several times.

840
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:55,200
I also—

841
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,360
Hey Joel, could you just maybe speak up a little bit so we make sure that it's gotten—

842
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,080
How about I put this up closer to me?

843
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:01,860
That probably—

844
01:07:01,860 --> 01:07:04,460
I did read the mayors memo several times.

845
01:07:04,460 --> 01:07:12,980
I also am kind of dovetailed off power up their boo and they sent a little thing out encouraging people to come and speak and

846
01:07:14,060 --> 01:07:18,380
Support the mayor's veto. I also read

847
01:07:19,420 --> 01:07:23,320
Information from Spirit Lake and I'd read their development design and all that stuff

848
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:28,200
But they sent us some information too. I also read the

849
01:07:28,860 --> 01:07:33,540
178 page smart growth comprehensive plan from 2005

850
01:07:33,540 --> 01:07:43,480
I also reviewed the 2018 housing study by Saukone Economic Development Corporation.

851
01:07:44,580 --> 01:07:49,220
And a couple of things in regards to the smart growth from 2005.

852
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:58,180
Reading that is a, it is a document of many, many paradoxes.

853
01:07:59,060 --> 01:08:05,700
It is an antiquated document, it is an old document from 2005, July like people had said.

854
01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:13,560
Also, the forecast and trends were used off the 2000 census and data, which means that

855
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,160
data is 23 years old.

856
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,000
The smart growth is 18 years old.

857
01:08:18,860 --> 01:08:23,780
The projections are not accurate and I know people working from a crystal ball at that time.

858
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:30,080
The hopes and dreams of variable in 2005 were redeveloped the water street, riverfront

859
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:37,060
area, promote historic downtown square, enhance community entryways, tourism, and also

860
01:08:37,060 --> 01:08:41,620
to encourage greater public involvement in community planning.

861
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,220
But it doesn't say what encourages it.

862
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,280
There's no definition in there about it.

863
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:49,780
So what does that encourage me to put something in the paper, whatever.

864
01:08:49,780 --> 01:08:53,520
So I'm saying that document is full of paradoxes.

865
01:08:53,660 --> 01:08:58,280
Another part of that is expanding recreational areas, development of the ICH trail,

866
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:04,700
nurture small businesses, preserve and enhance the surrounding natural environment.

867
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,620
It doesn't define what that is.

868
01:09:07,540 --> 01:09:11,800
So when people are talking about these outlying areas and protecting this and that,

869
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,320
the comprehensive plan doesn't say what that is.

870
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:17,400
That's really everyone of us in this room.

871
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:23,100
That's our lens that we look through and we decide what that is based on our own personal preferences and

872
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:23,560
and

873
01:09:24,140 --> 01:09:25,720
how we see the work

874
01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:32,160
Housing it also said the city should explore new ways of ensuring a mix of housing types and affordable levels

875
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,440
Especially to meet the demands of first-time homeowners seniors

876
01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:40,580
It mentions nothing about transitional housing or mobility housing short-term housing

877
01:09:40,580 --> 01:09:42,940
There's no mention in the comprehensive plan about that

878
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,200
So where are those folks love? I got a story. I'm gonna tell you a little bit later

879
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:54,920
I'm going to I'm going to be I'm going to be concise.

880
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:02,800
What I also said in 2005 is the city of variable has a very good supply of housing available.

881
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:07,060
Does the city of variable have a very good housing supply available now?

882
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:10,500
Again, we got a bunch of paradoxes working here.

883
01:10:11,780 --> 01:10:14,740
Consider the school board members be involved in plant commission.

884
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:16,800
Do we have any school board members on plant commission?

885
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,920
I don't know if we do. It was brought up earlier that when we talk about developments,

886
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:25,700
do we have the school involved? Well, we do. School members are involved. School board members

887
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:30,680
are involved in looking at developments and projecting out populations of potential school

888
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,100
children, okay?

889
01:10:36,230 --> 01:10:42,090
Economic development. The city should not subsidize development. There's not a

890
01:10:42,090 --> 01:10:47,910
development that I've been involved with that the city is not subsidized, okay? Moreover,

891
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:52,750
However, the business community would like to see greater consensus at the console level

892
01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:54,410
regarding decision making.

893
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:59,190
It is believed that there is rarely a clear voice of the elected officials.

894
01:10:59,730 --> 01:11:01,810
The previous vote for this was 8-0.

895
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,620
Visual preference survey.

896
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,920
In 2004, they used the slide projector to show different cities and stuff.

897
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,300
How many of you were currently using a slide projector?

898
01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:17,940
You know, we just, you don't see those sorts of things.

899
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:25,680
Growth alternative to page 34 features growth opportunity that continues in recent development

900
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:31,840
trends and provides more land for employment, shopping and anticipating development stimulated

901
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,640
by the proposed bypass project.

902
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,340
Plan neighborhood areas, it should be noted that traditional neighborhood plans different

903
01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:47,800
from types of land use such as single multi-family residences are not random but located in a

904
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,480
a logical, reasonable manner.

905
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,480
And that is not defined, folks, as to what that actually is.

906
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:58,540
I'm almost not.

907
01:11:59,460 --> 01:12:05,500
The 2018 Saucone Economic Development Corporation Housing Study,

908
01:12:06,140 --> 01:12:08,920
the number one challenge for hiring the workforce

909
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,640
in the city of Baraboo for major employers

910
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:15,280
is the inability for them to find housing in Baraboo.

911
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,940
Plan amendments, appropriate plan amendments

912
01:12:19,940 --> 01:12:23,780
to the smart growth comprehensive plan is becoming,

913
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,520
if it becomes irrelevant or contradictory

914
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,420
to emergency policy or trends in the city,

915
01:12:30,060 --> 01:12:32,940
should be evaluated every three years or sooner.

916
01:12:33,780 --> 01:12:35,040
And we have not done that.

917
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:38,100
Shame on us, and some of our predecessors.

918
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,900
So, 39 years ago, I took a job

919
01:12:43,900 --> 01:12:45,660
with the South County Social Services,

920
01:12:45,740 --> 01:12:47,040
which is now Human Services.

921
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:52,600
I took a job as a Child Protective Services Social Worker doing abuse neglect, investigations

922
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,200
of children, and ongoing case management.

923
01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:01,580
I came to Bearaboo, got off of the job, and came up for two weeks to look for a place

924
01:13:01,580 --> 01:13:02,900
that I could stay in Bearaboo.

925
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:09,520
I could not find a place suitable 39 years ago for me to live in Bearaboo.

926
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:14,460
I got an apartment in low-income housing at Howard Woods in Portage and lived there for six

927
01:13:14,460 --> 01:13:19,360
months until a co-worker of mine said, hey, we're kicking out some pot heads out of our

928
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:19,820
duplex.

929
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,260
Junior wife want to move in there?

930
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:22,700
I said, absolutely.

931
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:24,340
I can't find no other place to live.

932
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:30,060
And we lived there for two years until we bought our starter house at 3.29 second avenue

933
01:13:30,060 --> 01:13:33,140
where we still live this day in our starter house.

934
01:13:34,740 --> 01:13:42,380
So again, when we look at these things through our different lenses, in short, I'm not

935
01:13:42,380 --> 01:13:49,140
support for the veto. As far as urban sprawl goes, I took a couple drives today just like

936
01:13:49,140 --> 01:13:55,780
Mike Klotz. I drove up T, drove from Sullivan's to up to Line Road where that housing development is.

937
01:13:56,180 --> 01:14:01,800
What's in front of it is enormous corn field. What's behind it is wooded area and then Line Road.

938
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:08,020
Please tell me what's different about that. It's the same distance I drove it today. I actually got out

939
01:14:08,020 --> 01:14:12,600
of my car. I drove down the bypass twice, once down, once back to look at this land. Then

940
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:17,180
I drove to where that sub station has parked my car and got out and looked around. I bike

941
01:14:17,180 --> 01:14:23,080
by there at least once a week during biking season. I think that it's a good fit. I think

942
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:28,500
it's going to provide housing that's desperately needed. And I think the city has the infrastructure

943
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:33,600
to maintain it. I do not feel it's detached from the city as a matter of fact. I feel it's

944
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,460
a segue, and future development is going to occur.

945
01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:39,040
I do understand people's concerns.

946
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:44,480
I appreciate those concerns, but I'm also here to provide my perspective and my point

947
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:50,700
of view from the research and the homework that I've done, and also having a 35-year career

948
01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:52,240
at human services know that.

949
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:57,900
In the winter times, we have some families that will stay three days in devil's lake, they

950
01:14:57,900 --> 01:14:59,760
And then they go over to mirror like to stay three days.

951
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,760
Go back and forth because they can't find a place to live. So think about those things when you're thinking about the big picture, the city of bearable. It's a lot of people. It's a lot of things to consider, but I am going to oppose the mayor's veto based on that information that I've obtained. So thank you for your time. Thank you, Joe. Anybody else want to go ahead? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. A couple of things that I liked.

952
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,440
One is that Travis also doesn't have any valentines day.

953
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:46,200
In the other thing is I appreciate the effort that Casey has put in on this development.

954
01:15:47,060 --> 01:15:59,180
The problem is that I had nine calls all today or in the last three or four days all opposing

955
01:15:59,180 --> 01:16:06,120
this development. That's probably six more calls than I've had in the entire 14 years

956
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:12,780
I've been on City Council. To me, when I think of a neighborhood, I think of a place

957
01:16:12,780 --> 01:16:20,380
where people can walk or bike easily to grocery stores, schools, libraries, churches, engage

958
01:16:20,380 --> 01:16:27,720
in civic amenities. And I think this development will certainly have the green space and the

959
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:34,800
walking past and in easy access to the highway, but little else of what I consider a vital

960
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,040
neighborhood project.

961
01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:48,130
We were talking about the comprehensive plan, 175 pages. I got to

962
01:16:48,130 --> 01:16:53,390
about 90 pages of my eyes went blank, you know, I did it in three settings to be quite honest.

963
01:16:53,470 --> 01:16:57,550
I did not do it in one. It's a bit of a dry read to be quite honest.

964
01:16:57,550 --> 01:17:05,850
But it speaks to the vision of the participants in the quality of life issues, saying that the city

965
01:17:05,850 --> 01:17:11,170
quotes should develop plans that encourage neighborhoods with parks, trees sidewalks, and

966
01:17:11,170 --> 01:17:15,990
safe and adequate connections of these neighborhoods to the city amenities.

967
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:18,270
I don't see that in this project.

968
01:17:18,450 --> 01:17:21,850
I don't see it connected to other neighborhoods quite frankly.

969
01:17:21,850 --> 01:17:33,090
This project I feel encourages more of a commuter neighborhood where residents have little social or cultural connection to the city.

970
01:17:34,050 --> 01:17:47,710
I'm not going to go through, you know, what Rob has already mentioned, page 38, of course talks about accelerated peripheral areas, such as this one.

971
01:17:47,710 --> 01:17:55,430
and suggested that at some point we go west of Highway 12 bypass that the city engaged in meaningful participation,

972
01:17:56,010 --> 01:18:01,770
which I think thanks to Mayor's veto, we finally have had that civic engagement.

973
01:18:04,970 --> 01:18:12,470
The problem that I also have with this is that the designated school for the youngsters would be North Freedom School,

974
01:18:12,610 --> 01:18:15,470
which is quite a hike from bearable.

975
01:18:17,710 --> 01:18:44,410
The other part that bothers me somewhat is two of the projects that are two of the commercial entities that we've talked about have to do with what I would call heavy commercial rather than, you know, grocery stores and drive-ins and truck traffic and there's a single in this project. There's a single egress to county W.

976
01:18:44,410 --> 01:18:49,250
And so when you have 240 apartments,

977
01:18:49,810 --> 01:18:53,270
plus commercial development,

978
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:57,090
which includes some heavy truck traffic,

979
01:18:57,450 --> 01:19:01,630
sharing an egress with other vehicles to a small county road,

980
01:19:01,850 --> 01:19:06,070
it creates what seems to me a public safety issue.

981
01:19:07,090 --> 01:19:08,810
So those are my thoughts.

982
01:19:10,130 --> 01:19:10,790
Thank you, Tom.

983
01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:19,570
I agree with a lot of what Tom said.

984
01:19:21,190 --> 01:19:26,690
I was one of the ones who voted yes to the last meeting and since then I got educated

985
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:32,250
not only with the mayor's menu, Mel and other things I looked into and heard about.

986
01:19:33,330 --> 01:19:39,990
Like Tom I got many contacts from my constituents who were all against this development.

987
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:45,210
I believe we should wait until that comprehensive plan gets redone.

988
01:19:46,130 --> 01:19:50,310
Once that thing is on our agenda, I know to do it in the next year, correct?

989
01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:57,970
Yeah, once we have a new comprehensive plan, then maybe we could revisit this and decide

990
01:19:57,970 --> 01:19:59,450
if this is a good idea or not.

991
01:19:59,770 --> 01:20:02,450
But as of tonight, I'm not in favor of it.

992
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:04,150
I agree with your veto.

993
01:20:04,430 --> 01:20:04,710
Thank you.

994
01:20:06,270 --> 01:20:06,850
Thank you.

995
01:20:06,850 --> 01:20:06,910
Thank you.

996
01:20:08,610 --> 01:20:09,170
Please.

997
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:10,730
We don't.

998
01:20:10,810 --> 01:20:11,090
Thank you.

999
01:20:12,810 --> 01:20:23,530
I appreciate all the community involvement tonight.

1000
01:20:24,510 --> 01:20:29,470
This is a very hard decision because there's a bunch of different views on this.

1001
01:20:30,850 --> 01:20:33,470
Joel made some very good comments and so to dress.

1002
01:20:34,450 --> 01:20:39,570
housing is needed. I was on the fence when I voted the last time we voted on

1003
01:20:39,570 --> 01:20:42,910
this, and I'm still on the fence to be quite honest because I've gotten calls

1004
01:20:42,910 --> 01:20:50,470
as well. I agree with what you're saying, Bryant and Tom, it's not just about

1005
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:56,050
the comprehensive plan. I think what Joel read from the comprehensive plan, I'm

1006
01:20:56,050 --> 01:21:01,630
glad he read it and I didn't have to redo it, is community involvement and

1007
01:21:01,630 --> 01:21:06,710
engagement. Mr. Muffet made a very good comment.

1008
01:21:08,930 --> 01:21:11,650
I have said this a number of times that

1009
01:21:11,650 --> 01:21:20,630
I think that things get fast tracked in the sake of money or they need to get done

1010
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:28,470
right away. And what that does is that discourages community involvement. It lacks transparency

1011
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:37,390
agency and it lacks community engagement and by not having that, we have this.

1012
01:21:37,690 --> 01:21:43,030
We have a lot of people who either don't have all the information or don't understand

1013
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:43,970
why we're doing something.

1014
01:21:44,590 --> 01:21:50,710
To Joel's point, the comments were made about our schools involved.

1015
01:21:51,290 --> 01:21:52,770
So yes, I think they are.

1016
01:21:52,930 --> 01:21:56,630
I think that Casey does a good job involving the school district and communicating back

1017
01:21:56,630 --> 01:21:56,990
and forth.

1018
01:21:56,990 --> 01:22:02,250
But it's pretty obvious that the rest of the people in this room don't know what that

1019
01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:03,050
process is.

1020
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:04,110
That's wrong.

1021
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:05,330
That's wrong.

1022
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:10,270
And I sit here on a regular basis in this seat and question what I'm actually approving

1023
01:22:10,270 --> 01:22:11,030
or voting for.

1024
01:22:11,570 --> 01:22:18,310
And the reason for that is because we load up the agenda and we sit here and we have to

1025
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:20,630
go through the agenda and then all of a sudden it's a vote.

1026
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:21,770
It's a vote for what.

1027
01:22:21,770 --> 01:22:26,550
And afterwards I kind of found myself going, what am I voting for?

1028
01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:31,050
I got a lot of information coming at me every week and I think everybody here does too.

1029
01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:37,710
So with the information that we have, I think we're more informed tonight.

1030
01:22:37,930 --> 01:22:40,930
I think you possibly could see if people switch their vote.

1031
01:22:41,210 --> 01:22:44,110
But I do think we need to have comprehensive plan.

1032
01:22:44,170 --> 01:22:46,330
A comprehensive plan is developed with community involvement.

1033
01:22:46,890 --> 01:22:48,550
And that's my take on this whole situation.

1034
01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:50,910
So that's all I have to say.

1035
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:52,410
Thank you, Jason.

1036
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:56,350
Anyone else who would like to

1037
01:22:57,950 --> 01:23:00,570
weigh in or comment or questions?

1038
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:03,690
Scott, are you still with us?

1039
01:23:09,220 --> 01:23:09,860
Did you have anything?

1040
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:11,700
Just want to make sure you're getting an opportunity

1041
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:13,000
if there's anything you wanted to say as well.

1042
01:23:18,190 --> 01:23:18,870
Sorry, could you say it?

1043
01:23:19,390 --> 01:23:19,590
Okay.

1044
01:23:19,690 --> 01:23:20,470
It doesn't have anything to add.

1045
01:23:20,590 --> 01:23:21,150
Okay, thank you.

1046
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:23,980
Yeah, I have.

1047
01:23:24,540 --> 01:23:27,100
We came the bearable in 1968.

1048
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:37,520
and I as a vocal music teacher and my wife is a school nurse. We had one child in

1049
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:46,220
another child on the way and we had to live out in the cabins out on what's

1050
01:23:46,220 --> 01:23:52,940
bare-boothed no longer there because there was absolutely no zero housing.

1051
01:23:56,900 --> 01:23:57,580
We

1052
01:23:57,580 --> 01:24:07,180
got a house and he was remodeling it and he said he'd rent it to us. So we put all our stuff in his

1053
01:24:07,180 --> 01:24:14,620
garage and went out to the and then came to get our stuff out of the garage and move in the

1054
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:24,540
house and he had used our bed slats for some of his labors in the house. So anyway, there was in that,

1055
01:24:24,540 --> 01:24:28,820
But, you know, I, a back jaw with it.

1056
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:33,420
It's been a year after year there, there's no housing.

1057
01:24:34,180 --> 01:24:38,440
And people come, where am I going to live?

1058
01:24:39,260 --> 01:24:41,240
So they're not going to come here to work.

1059
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:50,300
It just seems to me, I understand my wife is concerned about pueness because that's one

1060
01:24:50,300 --> 01:24:51,860
of her favorite places to walk.

1061
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:59,480
and she goes there at least once a month during the summer, not twice, and he was

1062
01:24:59,480 --> 01:25:05,940
concerned about people who are asking as I understand Travis's comments, that

1063
01:25:05,940 --> 01:25:16,740
should not be, I think we do have a pond there to help with that. So you know I look

1064
01:25:16,740 --> 01:25:29,140
at T, out at T, that's not connected to bearable. It's you can't walk from T to downtown

1065
01:25:29,140 --> 01:25:39,860
bearable. So we already have it. And I just don't understand the I understand I appreciate

1066
01:25:39,860 --> 01:25:46,320
everybody's comments very much. But I don't understand that we have what they're saying

1067
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:52,940
that we don't need. We already have it and it just keeps going away from

1068
01:25:52,940 --> 01:25:58,600
bearable. This won't go away from bearable because it's it's pretty well

1069
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:10,340
stopped in that area. So I appreciate everybody's comments but I haven't I'm

1070
01:26:10,340 --> 01:26:14,780
for overturning Mayor's video.

1071
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:19,540
Thank you, John.

1072
01:26:20,500 --> 01:26:22,060
I think Phil wants to be in.

1073
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:23,260
Yeah.

1074
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:24,440
Thank you.

1075
01:26:25,660 --> 01:26:32,540
I'm kind of a laden duck here now, but I was here when we did that last comprehensive

1076
01:26:32,540 --> 01:26:33,100
plan.

1077
01:26:33,380 --> 01:26:34,320
I was part of it.

1078
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:43,100
I look on Facebook and every day there's people in there trying to find a place to live

1079
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:49,900
and bearable. Every day there's somebody that wants to move the bearable. They can't find a

1080
01:26:49,900 --> 01:26:57,460
place to live. We have employers at bearable that hire people and they can't find a place to live

1081
01:26:57,460 --> 01:27:09,140
there so they can't hire them. Back in 2005, we didn't have to worry about this advancement,

1082
01:27:12,020 --> 01:27:16,800
because there was nothing out there. Nobody wanted to build anything. And I

1083
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:24,020
watched that. I watched it for 20 years. Nothing. Nobody built anything in

1084
01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:31,540
here. We were just dead. And we're on a point right now. We need housing in

1085
01:27:31,540 --> 01:27:34,620
but it aspires on concern.

1086
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,460
I have a fear of overruling not there to be no thank you.

1087
01:27:42,420 --> 01:27:43,000
Thank you, Phil.

1088
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:45,360
Casey, you wanted to weigh in?

1089
01:27:45,860 --> 01:27:48,980
Yeah, not weigh in as a couple of points of clarification.

1090
01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:54,220
This property, there's been a lot of comments that it's not in the comprehensive plan.

1091
01:27:54,220 --> 01:27:59,080
It's in a urban reserve area or I believe is what it's classified as.

1092
01:27:59,900 --> 01:28:04,120
This property, when the 2005 plan went through,

1093
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:08,300
it was actually zoned A1 in 2015, I believe,

1094
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:10,780
2014-2015 typebrain.

1095
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,320
The landowners actually came into the city

1096
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,000
and asked you guys to rezone this.

1097
01:28:15,700 --> 01:28:17,620
You rezoned it to I4,

1098
01:28:17,860 --> 01:28:19,700
so it went through the full rezoning process,

1099
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,660
there was multiple public hearings that was a result of that

1100
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:24,340
and that's how they've operated

1101
01:28:24,340 --> 01:28:27,200
and they've designed this particular property

1102
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:31,660
is looking at, they have the ability to do this.

1103
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,820
That's kind of what brought this plan forward.

1104
01:28:35,820 --> 01:28:38,400
What we're talking about here is just simply

1105
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,360
a development agreement.

1106
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:40,960
So it's a partnership between the city

1107
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,160
and the developer in the development agreement.

1108
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:48,620
Every single aspect of all of our vetting processes

1109
01:28:48,620 --> 01:28:49,620
is still in place.

1110
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,620
So the next step for the landowner,

1111
01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:55,260
obviously, is creating a plat, getting that recorded,

1112
01:28:55,260 --> 01:28:57,540
which is multiple public hearings.

1113
01:28:58,420 --> 01:29:02,160
The next step after that, they're going to break out the parcel

1114
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:06,640
that Jake will be developing as part of Pewitt's NAS or Pewitt's landing.

1115
01:29:07,500 --> 01:29:11,880
LLC, he's given a preliminary renderings of what he plans on doing,

1116
01:29:12,300 --> 01:29:15,860
but he's going to have to rezone that to a residential, like an R3,

1117
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:20,000
so he gets more density down there, so that'll go through that public process.

1118
01:29:20,740 --> 01:29:24,220
And then as a part of that, he'll have to go for the building permit,

1119
01:29:24,220 --> 01:29:26,140
that which will go through the plan commission,

1120
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,240
I'll have to review that.

1121
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:28,960
There'll be public hearings there,

1122
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:30,500
public hearings when it comes back.

1123
01:29:31,180 --> 01:29:34,340
I, you know, the, the concerns about protecting

1124
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,280
to its nest and skill at creek,

1125
01:29:37,460 --> 01:29:40,520
that is a huge issue for everyone involved.

1126
01:29:40,700 --> 01:29:42,420
We all are stakeholders in that.

1127
01:29:42,980 --> 01:29:46,520
Obviously, storm water plan has to go through,

1128
01:29:47,220 --> 01:29:49,000
specifically through plan commission

1129
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,080
and through public hearings

1130
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:51,880
and that ultimately comes up to council

1131
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:58,620
and same thing with the site, what rendering plan or landscape plan.

1132
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,020
Part of that too. So every element of every project that's going to occur out there is going to have two, three, four, five public hearings that everybody will have the opportunity to weigh in on. What is being done and what the veto is pertaining to is specifically the development agreement. So that's the start of the project. And then going forward, each and every project that occurs out there is going to have numerous public processes. And if they fail to go through that process, if you read the development agreement,

1133
01:30:29,020 --> 01:30:31,140
then they're in violation of the development agreement.

1134
01:30:31,460 --> 01:30:37,220
So we require every project to go through as part of the development agreement the exact

1135
01:30:37,220 --> 01:30:39,380
same process that every other project does.

1136
01:30:39,740 --> 01:30:45,860
So the terms and conditions that were negotiated between the city and the developer does not

1137
01:30:45,860 --> 01:30:49,620
remove any of the other aspects of the public transparency process.

1138
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,500
So just so it's cut out the same page.

1139
01:30:53,020 --> 01:30:58,160
This is the start of the project, the development agreement is the start of that and then you've

1140
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:01,200
We've got the public process that takes place throughout.

1141
01:31:01,900 --> 01:31:03,780
So just want to clarify that for everyone.

1142
01:31:05,020 --> 01:31:05,860
All right, thank you.

1143
01:31:08,980 --> 01:31:11,080
Anyone else with any comments or discussion?

1144
01:31:12,340 --> 01:31:13,220
We didn't lose them again, did we?

1145
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:15,880
Sorry, we lost all of them in Sloan again.

1146
01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:20,400
Apparently the phone service in South Korea is not up to snuff tonight.

1147
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:41,480
Hey, Scott.

1148
01:31:45,220 --> 01:31:48,780
All right, is there any further discussion or comment from anyone?

1149
01:31:53,020 --> 01:31:56,820
There's no comment, I'll entertain a motion if someone would like to make that.

1150
01:31:56,820 --> 01:32:00,560
or I'll make a motion to veto the mayor's,

1151
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,580
or override the mayor's veto.

1152
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:04,560
I'll make that motion.

1153
01:32:04,740 --> 01:32:04,900
Second.

1154
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:05,980
Okay.

1155
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:07,240
Got that?

1156
01:32:07,780 --> 01:32:08,040
Yes.

1157
01:32:08,380 --> 01:32:09,920
All right, so we have a motion and a second

1158
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,460
to override the mayor's veto

1159
01:32:11,460 --> 01:32:14,820
and approve the Spirit Lake LLC development agreement.

1160
01:32:15,340 --> 01:32:17,800
Is there any other further discussion on the motion?

1161
01:32:18,060 --> 01:32:18,460
All right,

1162
01:32:21,260 --> 01:32:22,380
hearing none, we will call the roll.

1163
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:28,000
And just to clarify, a yes vote is to override the veto

1164
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:29,600
and approve the development agreement,

1165
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,740
and overriding the veto will require a two-thirds vote

1166
01:32:32,740 --> 01:32:33,520
or six votes.

1167
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,180
I'll go ahead and please call the rule.

1168
01:32:36,820 --> 01:32:37,240
Thurough.

1169
01:32:37,660 --> 01:32:38,120
Aye.

1170
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:39,160
Wheat again.

1171
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:39,560
Aye.

1172
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:40,200
Cold.

1173
01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:40,620
No.

1174
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:41,480
Hazard.

1175
01:32:41,740 --> 01:32:41,920
No.

1176
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:42,640
Kent.

1177
01:32:43,900 --> 01:32:44,380
No.

1178
01:32:45,460 --> 01:32:45,860
Petty.

1179
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:46,320
Aye.

1180
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:47,340
Ellington.

1181
01:32:47,620 --> 01:32:47,820
Aye.

1182
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:48,640
Slow.

1183
01:32:49,540 --> 01:32:50,020
Aye.

1184
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:51,040
Here's it.

1185
01:32:51,340 --> 01:32:51,440
Aye.

1186
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,160
All right.

1187
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:55,880
So I believe that was six votes in favor, correct?

1188
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:56,780
All right.

1189
01:32:56,780 --> 01:33:00,660
So the veto is overturned, and we will proceed with the development agreement.

1190
01:33:05,530 --> 01:33:08,650
Thank you all for your consideration on that topic tonight.

1191
01:33:09,530 --> 01:33:13,210
It takes us to 12. Lots more exciting stuff. Don't run away everyone.

1192
01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:18,610
Yeah, we don't get a large gallery very often, normally it's a gold town area.

1193
01:33:18,930 --> 01:33:19,930
We're just getting warmed up tonight.

1194
01:33:21,890 --> 01:33:26,470
12.2, removal of the Oak Street Overlook. Consider approving the removal of the old bridge

1195
01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:29,030
about the abutment at Oak Street and Water Street.

1196
01:33:30,290 --> 01:33:31,630
Mr. Hart, you have a question.

1197
01:33:31,630 --> 01:33:31,870
Thank you.

1198
01:33:32,110 --> 01:33:34,570
I don't know if I should be offended if everyone's leaving now,

1199
01:33:34,710 --> 01:33:37,170
but I don't have Valentine's night plans either,

1200
01:33:37,410 --> 01:33:38,990
so I'm just, you're stuck with me.

1201
01:33:39,630 --> 01:33:42,170
So anyway, you heard from Marcus and MSA tonight

1202
01:33:42,170 --> 01:33:44,690
with the presentation, so I don't have to repeat that,

1203
01:33:44,730 --> 01:33:46,030
but if you have any questions, I'm sure.

1204
01:33:46,450 --> 01:33:49,010
Marcus can answer or I can try to answer as best as I can.

1205
01:33:49,630 --> 01:33:51,690
There are some questions as to why now.

1206
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:54,390
So this, obviously, this abutment has been around

1207
01:33:54,390 --> 01:34:00,030
for over 100 years. And why now are we looking at doing something with it why haven't we before?

1208
01:34:00,610 --> 01:34:06,590
Well, I guess in the interest of some of the other discussions we've heard, we do a comprehensive

1209
01:34:06,590 --> 01:34:10,970
outdoor recreation plan every five years. I've done four of them since I've been here in the 14

1210
01:34:10,970 --> 01:34:16,990
years I've been here. When we get to year four, I tell Parks Commission that we need to start the

1211
01:34:16,990 --> 01:34:22,770
process again. We need to assemble a committee, a public committee so we can get a new comprehensive

1212
01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:26,910
of outdoor recreation plan passed because every five years we have to have one done to become

1213
01:34:26,910 --> 01:34:32,630
eligible for grants. On the last court plan that we did, we do a community survey in every

1214
01:34:32,630 --> 01:34:39,290
court plan. This last survey that we did which covers 2022, excuse me, 2022 to 2027, we're currently

1215
01:34:39,290 --> 01:34:46,650
in right now. 2021, we did a community survey, we had a 11% response rate from 11% of city

1216
01:34:46,650 --> 01:34:52,510
households, which is good anytime we can get over 10%, we're very happy. Of those, those

1217
01:34:52,510 --> 01:35:06,290
Households, Year 3, Households, the number one thing they wanted, which has been the number one thing every five years, has been a continued expansion and improvement of the Riverwalk, which is why we put that as a priority, the proximity and puts that as a priority see that our budgets every year.

1218
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:08,930
The number two thing in 2021.

1219
01:35:11,150 --> 01:35:12,690
Can you open that door back up?

1220
01:35:15,090 --> 01:35:22,270
The number two thing that the community wanted us to concentrate on in 2021 was this project

1221
01:35:22,270 --> 01:35:28,030
was the Oak Street Overlock connection between the businesses and the downtown businesses

1222
01:35:28,030 --> 01:35:28,790
in the Riverwalk.

1223
01:35:29,450 --> 01:35:31,170
So that's why we put this on our budget.

1224
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:34,710
We went, we got on the way funding to get a study done.

1225
01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:39,590
We went out and did bidding and got MSA came in to do this project.

1226
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:41,650
And again, that was on the way to funds that wasn't tax dollars.

1227
01:35:42,830 --> 01:35:45,270
The number three thing, of course, was bringing the Great

1228
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:47,230
Sox State Trail to Baribu.

1229
01:35:47,610 --> 01:35:50,630
And of course, I've been on that Great Sox State Trail

1230
01:35:50,630 --> 01:35:53,150
Commission since 2018, so that's something that we're

1231
01:35:53,150 --> 01:35:53,750
working on as well.

1232
01:35:54,230 --> 01:35:55,470
But the community has asked for this.

1233
01:35:55,530 --> 01:35:58,330
This was their number two thing that they asked of us to do.

1234
01:35:58,530 --> 01:36:01,130
So that's why, number one, that's why we're doing it.

1235
01:36:02,590 --> 01:36:06,650
So when we went at this, we went looking at the original plan

1236
01:36:06,650 --> 01:36:11,590
that was done back in I think it was 97 or 2002 something like this and using the existing

1237
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:16,950
abutment and doing an ADA ran to get up there and that sort of thing. So that's the original

1238
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:22,550
route that that we took. Unfortunately as you heard tonight there are some concerns structurally

1239
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:28,990
with that. We're not able to do that anymore. So the three things that that you require me to do,

1240
01:36:29,130 --> 01:36:34,090
my department to do is we look at safety, we look at accessibility, we look at being within budget.

1241
01:36:34,090 --> 01:36:36,970
But those are the three things that we need to do regardless of what the community wants.

1242
01:36:37,490 --> 01:36:40,810
Regardless of what grants we have available, we need to make sure it's safe.

1243
01:36:41,650 --> 01:36:45,630
Obviously, we want to take that liability away from the city, so there are no opportunities

1244
01:36:45,630 --> 01:36:46,910
for injury or anything like that.

1245
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:52,970
We have to make it accessible so that the majority of our residents are able to access it regardless

1246
01:36:52,970 --> 01:36:54,070
of their physical ability.

1247
01:36:54,770 --> 01:36:57,830
And we need to be within budget, and that's why we've been pursuing these grants.

1248
01:36:57,990 --> 01:37:02,870
This is going to be a multi-phase project that we are going to be continuing to pursue grants

1249
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:10,010
for Casey was instrumental in helping us get this start with this half million dollar appropriation

1250
01:37:10,010 --> 01:37:14,450
with Senator Baldwin and Representative Polkan helping out with that and there'll be future

1251
01:37:14,450 --> 01:37:22,810
grants coming. This is probably one of the best projects that's going to qualify for several

1252
01:37:22,810 --> 01:37:29,950
different grant funding opportunities as we go through it. So it's going to combine a lot of opportunities.

1253
01:37:29,950 --> 01:37:36,570
So number one, once we heard that this, this abutment was unsafe, we did snow fence it off to the public.

1254
01:37:36,930 --> 01:37:45,550
It does need to have considerably more barriers put up to make it less accessible to people.

1255
01:37:46,090 --> 01:37:59,570
We had our staff meeting, we determined that the best course of action due to the report from the structural engineers was to immediately take that down, or as soon as possible, take that down to eliminate any risk, especially knowing that.

1256
01:37:59,570 --> 01:38:06,630
It wasn't feasible to to keep so so the first thing that we're looking at is is permission for us to remove that hazard and

1257
01:38:07,810 --> 01:38:13,210
This did go to I should mention this did go to Park's Commission last night. It was actually the second

1258
01:38:14,450 --> 01:38:19,470
Last month. They had actually first looked at it and had a presentation from Marcus and then last night

1259
01:38:19,470 --> 01:38:23,890
They they had considered this it was the unanimous recommendation. However, it was

1260
01:38:24,690 --> 01:38:29,450
Discussed especially by three of those members quite a bit of discussion that went on a lot of people that

1261
01:38:29,570 --> 01:38:33,930
And I really hated to do it, but they knew that in the position that we were in, we did

1262
01:38:33,930 --> 01:38:34,410
have to do it.

1263
01:38:34,410 --> 01:38:35,550
So it was unanimous decision.

1264
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:40,390
Did go to finance tonight as well, and they also recommended it for your consideration

1265
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:40,730
tonight.

1266
01:38:40,890 --> 01:38:44,390
So if you have any questions, Marcus, or I would be happy to answer.

1267
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:56,580
Marcus suggested that you could keep some of the original stone to put as planters, or maybe

1268
01:38:56,580 --> 01:39:02,700
maybe even a memorial, you know, you know, a bronze memorial that would depict the old

1269
01:39:02,700 --> 01:39:08,880
high bridge or something like that. And I think as long as some of those original stones

1270
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:15,200
are saved, you know, I agree that, you know, in this litigious society, I think that

1271
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,480
proposes a hazard the way it is.

1272
01:39:18,660 --> 01:39:22,900
Yeah, and like your report said, about 5% to 10% of those stones could not be used or what

1273
01:39:22,900 --> 01:39:27,340
if we're found out to be, the Parks Commission was told this as well.

1274
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:33,560
That is our intent to do that on the project to save what we can and to work with the

1275
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:38,840
Parks Commission and with yourselves to develop additional science and additional memorials

1276
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:39,000
there.

1277
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,760
You will have the opportunity and Parks Commission will have the opportunity if this does

1278
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:47,560
continue to go forward to see future designs as we go on to the next phases.

1279
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,300
So you'll be able to see what it's actually going to look like.

1280
01:39:50,300 --> 01:39:55,100
So we will have some options as as far as what finishes type of finishes we can make and what kind of a historical

1281
01:39:55,760 --> 01:40:02,320
Science that we can add as well. I make a motion that we approve this resolution to remove the ice cream

1282
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,080
Second, all right, we have hazard made a motion remove the answer

1283
01:40:10,580 --> 01:40:11,340
You've been waiting

1284
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:23,540
All right. We have a motion and a second. If I could just ask one quick question, Mike.

1285
01:40:24,140 --> 01:40:29,540
So when you say staff would immediately start removing that, what kind of timeline are

1286
01:40:29,540 --> 01:40:39,140
we looking at? Like, yeah, as soon as we want to get to, as soon as we can. And so if anyone

1287
01:40:39,140 --> 01:40:42,300
and wants a picture they better get out there tomorrow and I would say get a

1288
01:40:42,300 --> 01:40:45,720
Suzy Ken because it's going to depend on the snowstorm but we're going to have

1289
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:49,980
people working out it immediately. It is a safety hazard. This sooner we get it

1290
01:40:49,980 --> 01:40:54,340
out this sooner we eliminate the risk. Right. Thank you. Right. Sorry for

1291
01:40:54,340 --> 01:40:58,460
interjecting. So we do have a motion and a second on the floor to approve the

1292
01:40:58,460 --> 01:41:01,540
removal of the old bridge abutment at Oak Street and Water Street. Is there any

1293
01:41:01,540 --> 01:41:05,340
further discussion? I guess I'm going to ask the question again I'm still a little

1294
01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:06,820
on clear what the cost of that is.

1295
01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:13,520
So just the cost of strictly just the removal

1296
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:15,280
of the abutment.

1297
01:41:15,420 --> 01:41:16,980
Do we have any kind of a figure for that?

1298
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:19,240
We don't know.

1299
01:41:19,860 --> 01:41:23,900
No, yeah, it'll be an in-house removal using staff

1300
01:41:23,900 --> 01:41:25,040
and equipment from in-house.

1301
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:27,760
So we're not looking at contracting that part out.

1302
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,920
So that's just by city staff, I mean in streets

1303
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:31,460
or in public.

1304
01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:34,160
Streets department and parts department, primarily, yes.

1305
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:35,780
You're welcome to come down

1306
01:41:35,780 --> 01:41:40,100
and bring your heart ahead if you want. We'll take volunteer. Just have to sign a volunteer for them.

1307
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:44,500
I'm talking about liability. Sign a volunteer. We've got volunteer waivers for that, so yeah.

1308
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:51,340
So if I'm understanding questions, it wouldn't really be a cost per se other than we're

1309
01:41:51,340 --> 01:41:57,920
potentially pulling people off from other other jobs. Yes, well it's snow storm coming in obviously

1310
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:03,820
parks or road streets. Street guys are going to be tied up so once we can get crews freed up,

1311
01:42:03,820 --> 01:42:07,320
We're going to be dedicating them to getting this taken care of as soon as possible.

1312
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:07,640
Okay.

1313
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:15,300
What are you going to do to mitigate erosion once you tear that wall down, the effutment

1314
01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:15,560
down?

1315
01:42:17,580 --> 01:42:21,680
Um, we've, well, so until something gets built there anyhow.

1316
01:42:21,860 --> 01:42:22,020
Yeah.

1317
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:23,400
So it'll be obviously self-hunt.

1318
01:42:23,540 --> 01:42:30,360
Everything that we do, that, you know, that we do with any street, any park development,

1319
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:37,820
any landscaping type projects, still fencing, landscaping and then getting seated, of course, as soon as possible.

1320
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:42,360
So, yeah, we'll be following those same protocols that we use in any other development.

1321
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:43,340
Okay, thank you.

1322
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:46,610
All right, any further discussion?

1323
01:42:48,290 --> 01:42:50,350
All right, hearing none, please call the rule.

1324
01:42:50,350 --> 01:42:58,970
All right

1325
01:43:02,900 --> 01:43:20,840
motion passes unanimously. Thank you. And on the 12-13 requests for proposals consider approving the city engineer to solicit requests for proposals for the design and construction administration of the obstreet overlook an ADA path project.

1326
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:24,520
I'm sorry.

1327
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:24,880
Oh, sorry.

1328
01:43:25,020 --> 01:43:27,440
Oh, numbers are appearing before my eyes.

1329
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,160
12.3 requests for proposals.

1330
01:43:30,740 --> 01:43:32,460
Mike, please make me stop talking.

1331
01:43:33,180 --> 01:43:34,020
All right.

1332
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:34,340
Thank you.

1333
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:35,000
All right.

1334
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:35,760
So this is.

1335
01:43:38,260 --> 01:43:43,520
This process, again, this was recommended to you by the Parks Commission after last night's meeting.

1336
01:43:43,520 --> 01:44:02,360
This allows us to go on with the next phase of planning or soliciting RFPs to get a final plan on the future ADA ramp and the overlook that will allow us to continue to pursue additional grant funding.

1337
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:12,440
We are also looking as part of that RFP to provide an option to continue design for the, across the river into the new Riverfront Park.

1338
01:44:12,440 --> 01:44:22,080
work. What our goal is to ideally work with the same designer, the same firm so that we

1339
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:29,680
have a consistent design in that area. This kind of goes to meet our, the Bairbon Riverfront

1340
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:36,480
corridor improvement projects that we've been working on. So we're looking at continuing

1341
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:41,480
I mean, the planning for the corridor and the parks.

1342
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:45,200
There's, as I mentioned before, this area is ripe for a lot of grants.

1343
01:44:45,340 --> 01:44:50,940
And right now, there's a lot of, for instance, Cap funding out there, some stewardship funding.

1344
01:44:51,220 --> 01:44:58,020
And there's been more appropriations made for these types of projects and for trails and those type of projects.

1345
01:44:58,020 --> 01:44:59,920
So get in.

1346
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:25,600
On this right away, getting some RFPs out there, right away, that will help us also to pursue additional grants and additional donations. And to continue this project going because one of the concerns that we did here is that we don't want a plan to happen. We don't want you to tear down the abutment and to set for another 20 years before anything happens. So we want to continue this process going, especially while the funding is out there and is available. This was also discussed by finance and recommended to you tonight.

1347
01:45:28,260 --> 01:45:29,900
Any questions for Mike on this one?

1348
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:42,040
Okay, we have a motion and a second to allow the city engineer to request RFPs for the design and construction of the Oak Street overlook an ADA path. Any further discussion on the motion?

1349
01:45:43,740 --> 01:45:45,120
Hearing none, please call the roll.

1350
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:45,160
Cool.

1351
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:46,640
Aye.

1352
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:47,420
Anzard.

1353
01:45:47,700 --> 01:45:47,980
Aye.

1354
01:45:48,340 --> 01:45:48,520
Ken.

1355
01:45:48,780 --> 01:45:48,960
Aye.

1356
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:49,600
Penny.

1357
01:45:49,940 --> 01:45:50,120
Aye.

1358
01:45:50,420 --> 01:45:50,820
Ellington.

1359
01:45:51,020 --> 01:45:51,120
Aye.

1360
01:45:51,980 --> 01:45:53,840
Sloan, Sloan, Sloan, Sloan, Sloan, Sloan, Sloan, Sloan.

1361
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:53,920
Okay.

1362
01:45:54,260 --> 01:45:54,740
Gearsick.

1363
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:55,140
Aye.

1364
01:45:55,480 --> 01:45:55,840
Stero.

1365
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:56,880
Weed again.

1366
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:57,220
Aye.

1367
01:45:57,640 --> 01:45:58,800
Motion passes unanimously.

1368
01:45:59,060 --> 01:45:59,420
Thank you.

1369
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:00,720
12.4.

1370
01:46:01,060 --> 01:46:08,720
Consider approving a Class A combination liquor license for SSS Wisconsin BRW LLC doing business as squirrel,

1371
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:10,940
service station number 707.

1372
01:46:10,940 --> 01:46:15,920
located at 516-Street.

1373
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:19,510
I was dragging it out as long as I could.

1374
01:46:22,050 --> 01:46:23,310
I'll go ahead and start

1375
01:46:23,310 --> 01:46:29,450
on that one. That is just a standard class A combination license, which means that it is for

1376
01:46:29,450 --> 01:46:37,490
fermented malt beverages along with the liquor. This will be United Cooperative formally held the liquor

1377
01:46:37,490 --> 01:46:44,250
license at that location. They have surrendered it, and now with SSS Wisconsin Brew LLC,

1378
01:46:44,250 --> 01:46:50,510
has come in in place of them. So this would be at the corner of the

1379
01:46:50,510 --> 01:46:53,370
corner of the act. It was sold as ever. Correct. Correct.

1380
01:46:53,570 --> 01:46:57,890
It's been reviewed by city staff. Sorry, this would be the

1381
01:46:57,890 --> 01:47:00,310
senate station. It's at the corner of the corner.

1382
01:47:00,870 --> 01:47:03,070
Thank you. Formerly the senate station. Correct.

1383
01:47:03,110 --> 01:47:08,170
Thank you. It's been reviewed by city staff including the police department and it went

1384
01:47:08,170 --> 01:47:13,890
before the administrative committee with unanimous approval. If approved

1385
01:47:13,890 --> 01:47:20,670
If tonight this liquor license would be effective starting tomorrow, February 15th, until the end of June, when all liquor licenses expire.

1386
01:47:22,570 --> 01:47:23,910
Motion to approve, Sarah.

1387
01:47:24,250 --> 01:47:24,770
Petty, second.

1388
01:47:25,330 --> 01:47:28,130
All right, there's a motion and a second to approve the Class A complaint.

1389
01:47:30,210 --> 01:47:37,270
Motion and a second to approve the Class A combination liquor license for SSF Wisconsin BRW, any further discussion on the motion.

1390
01:47:38,330 --> 01:47:39,710
Hearing none, please call the rule.

1391
01:47:40,210 --> 01:47:40,610
Hazard.

1392
01:47:40,790 --> 01:47:40,990
Aye.

1393
01:47:41,410 --> 01:47:41,570
Kent.

1394
01:47:41,570 --> 01:47:41,870
Aye.

1395
01:47:42,230 --> 01:47:42,550
Petty.

1396
01:47:42,710 --> 01:47:42,870
Aye.

1397
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:43,710
Ellington.

1398
01:47:43,850 --> 01:47:43,970
Aye.

1399
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:44,750
Kierzig.

1400
01:47:45,050 --> 01:47:45,150
Aye.

1401
01:47:45,490 --> 01:47:45,790
Thurough.

1402
01:47:46,110 --> 01:47:46,230
Aye.

1403
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:46,890
Weed again.

1404
01:47:46,990 --> 01:47:47,150
Aye.

1405
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:47,670
Aye.

1406
01:47:47,850 --> 01:47:48,010
Aye.

1407
01:47:49,130 --> 01:47:50,110
Motion passes unanimously.

1408
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:50,650
Thank you.

1409
01:47:51,090 --> 01:47:51,770
12.5.

1410
01:47:52,230 --> 01:47:59,510
Consider authorizing chief send-in to purchase body cameras to be reimbursed from the tribal and local law enforcement agency initiative grant funds.

1411
01:48:00,030 --> 01:48:00,930
Chief, you have the floor.

1412
01:48:01,310 --> 01:48:02,010
Good evening, everyone.

1413
01:48:02,290 --> 01:48:02,550
Everyone.

1414
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:08,250
One thing I've learned as a new chief of police is when the city clerk puts your name on an agenda item you show up at the podium.

1415
01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:18,250
four-th with reference to body cameras. All of you are undoubtedly aware of the grant

1416
01:48:18,250 --> 01:48:24,330
that I'm proposing to spend tonight. The City Council did vote at an earlier meeting

1417
01:48:24,330 --> 01:48:34,290
to accept grant funds in the amount of $32,178 in some sense. What the purpose of my presence

1418
01:48:34,290 --> 01:48:36,830
Since here tonight is to request to spend those funds.

1419
01:48:37,330 --> 01:48:42,850
I'm proposing to spend those funds on replacement body-borne cameras for each of our police officers.

1420
01:48:44,490 --> 01:48:53,330
The amount of $32,160 will be spent, and trust me, I promised the finance committee I would find a place to spend $18, and I will do that.

1421
01:48:54,730 --> 01:49:04,270
But this allows for 29 body-borne cameras, but that also allows our community service office.

1422
01:49:04,270 --> 01:49:06,290
to where those, which is very important.

1423
01:49:07,170 --> 01:49:14,490
So my request is to expend the $32,160 for body cameras out of the grant funds.

1424
01:49:14,710 --> 01:49:21,410
If you recall, the city spends the money and then is reimbursed by the Department of Administration for those funds.

1425
01:49:22,210 --> 01:49:29,350
I have a question on the body cameras how they've been in the news lately, if you've probably seen that.

1426
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:36,470
Now, are they both the, what's the, what's the rule with your officers about how the

1427
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:40,090
cameras are on or when they're off, etc.?

1428
01:49:40,090 --> 01:49:45,230
We have specific policies required by law that dictate when those cameras go on, when

1429
01:49:45,230 --> 01:49:50,030
they go off, and those policies are quite extensive actually.

1430
01:49:50,570 --> 01:49:55,730
So as far as, you know, the individual specific circumstances when they're turned on and

1431
01:49:55,730 --> 01:49:58,950
when they're turned off, I will tell you that in my opinion,

1432
01:49:58,950 --> 01:50:02,710
and over the last 32 years of service,

1433
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:06,150
the risk of not having body-worn cameras,

1434
01:50:06,510 --> 01:50:09,470
the liability to the city is much greater

1435
01:50:09,470 --> 01:50:11,930
without those cameras than it is with the cameras.

1436
01:50:12,210 --> 01:50:15,490
But there are rules and regulations on, on and off.

1437
01:50:15,890 --> 01:50:18,310
Yes, mandated by state law.

1438
01:50:18,670 --> 01:50:19,870
Okay, good, thank you.

1439
01:50:20,270 --> 01:50:21,210
Motion to approve.

1440
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:22,070
Senator?

1441
01:50:22,350 --> 01:50:26,690
We have a motion and a second to authorize

1442
01:50:26,690 --> 01:50:31,010
the purchase of body cameras through the grant funds, any further discussion on the motion.

1443
01:50:32,510 --> 01:50:33,910
Hearing none, please call the rule.

1444
01:50:34,330 --> 01:50:34,490
Kent.

1445
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:35,470
I'm Betty.

1446
01:50:35,670 --> 01:50:35,770
Hi.

1447
01:50:36,170 --> 01:50:36,470
Ellington.

1448
01:50:36,570 --> 01:50:36,670
Hi.

1449
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:40,950
Here's a thorough, sweet again, cold, hazard.

1450
01:50:41,190 --> 01:50:41,330
Hi.

1451
01:50:42,150 --> 01:50:43,190
Emotion passes unanimously.

1452
01:50:43,450 --> 01:50:43,770
Thank you.

1453
01:50:44,350 --> 01:50:45,010
12.6.

1454
01:50:45,170 --> 01:50:49,210
Consider authorizing the mayor to execute and enter into a joint powers agreement with sought

1455
01:50:49,210 --> 01:50:51,290
county for the 9-1-1 emergency system.

1456
01:50:51,770 --> 01:50:52,850
This is also you, Craig.

1457
01:50:54,190 --> 01:50:55,890
Yes, I get to be a stand-in for Tom.

1458
01:50:55,890 --> 01:50:58,170
Right, you also have to come to the podium when you click on that.

1459
01:50:58,170 --> 01:50:58,690
That's right.

1460
01:51:00,390 --> 01:51:02,450
This is a rather simple agreement.

1461
01:51:02,730 --> 01:51:06,330
It is a joint powers agreement required by state statute.

1462
01:51:06,650 --> 01:51:13,410
Whenever a city or an entity is involved in a countywide emergency 911 system, they have to sign an agreement,

1463
01:51:13,690 --> 01:51:22,050
pursuant to state statute that says, when we are called outside of our boundaries, if we are not utilizing specific pieces of equipment,

1464
01:51:22,050 --> 01:51:27,530
that we will utilize those outside our boundaries if we're asked to do so.

1465
01:51:28,190 --> 01:51:34,290
And this agreement, which again is mandatory to be part of the 9-1-1 system, details that.

1466
01:51:37,620 --> 01:51:38,760
Motion to approve, hazard.

1467
01:51:39,140 --> 01:51:39,540
Code second.

1468
01:51:40,180 --> 01:51:46,140
All right, we have a motion and a second to authorize the execution of a joint powers agreement for 9-1-1 emergency system.

1469
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:48,060
Any further discussion on the motion?

1470
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:50,420
Hearing none, please call the roll.

1471
01:51:50,420 --> 01:51:50,460
Hello.

1472
01:51:50,780 --> 01:51:51,300
Petty.

1473
01:51:51,540 --> 01:51:51,700
Aye.

1474
01:51:52,060 --> 01:51:52,500
Ellington.

1475
01:51:52,700 --> 01:51:52,840
Aye.

1476
01:51:53,140 --> 01:51:53,660
Kyrzyk.

1477
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:53,940
Aye.

1478
01:51:54,220 --> 01:51:54,500
Thurill.

1479
01:51:54,780 --> 01:51:55,500
Wheat again.

1480
01:51:55,580 --> 01:51:55,760
Aye.

1481
01:51:55,980 --> 01:51:56,240
Gold.

1482
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:56,560
Aye.

1483
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:57,220
Hazard.

1484
01:51:57,300 --> 01:51:57,480
Aye.

1485
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:57,960
Kent.

1486
01:51:58,140 --> 01:51:58,280
Aye.

1487
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:00,260
Motion passes unanimously.

1488
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:01,060
Thank you.

1489
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:01,520
Thank you.

1490
01:52:02,220 --> 01:52:03,260
12.7.

1491
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:08,260
Consider preliminary resolution declaring intent to levy special

1492
01:52:08,260 --> 01:52:13,860
assessments in accordance with the sidewalk policy for new sidewalks at 11th street between Elizabeth

1493
01:52:13,860 --> 01:52:18,380
and Jefferson that will be installed as part of the 2023 street improvements.

1494
01:52:18,380 --> 01:52:20,160
Mr. Pinion, take it away.

1495
01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:21,520
Thank you Mayor and good evening.

1496
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:24,460
This is a resolution that should sound familiar.

1497
01:52:24,700 --> 01:52:26,680
We go through this pretty much every year.

1498
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:31,600
It's part of a statutory process to assess brand new sidewalks

1499
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:33,060
where none currently exist.

1500
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:36,300
That's consistent with the city's sidewalk policy.

1501
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:39,900
It's part of the budget preparation and review,

1502
01:52:40,340 --> 01:52:43,900
Public Safety Committee reviewed several areas within the city.

1503
01:52:44,140 --> 01:52:46,800
We have a map that shows the entire network of sidewalks

1504
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:47,380
throughout the city.

1505
01:52:47,380 --> 01:52:53,720
and when we're doing street projects that already have sidewalk, the committee tends to target

1506
01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:59,320
those areas to provide better connectivity in some of those areas that don't have sidewalks

1507
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:06,160
currently. So this year there's roughly $75,000 available and we looked at 10th street, 11th

1508
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:12,840
street and 12th street between Elizabeth and Jefferson. So it's at 2 block stretch. 11th

1509
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:16,900
street has the least amount of obstacles in the way. So we'll simplify that and keep the

1510
01:53:16,900 --> 01:53:23,440
cost reasonable and that will essentially exhaust the available funds for new sidewalks.

1511
01:53:24,100 --> 01:53:29,600
So public safety committee at their meeting last month decided that this would be a good

1512
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:33,440
place to provide new sidewalks.

1513
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:36,060
And this is the first step in that statutory process.

1514
01:53:36,660 --> 01:53:43,000
So it's the preliminary resolution that declares our intent to levies special assessments for

1515
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:43,840
new sidewalks.

1516
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:53,500
So that triggers the city engineer to have to prepare an assessment report, send out notices to the affected property owners, part of that process.

1517
01:53:53,740 --> 01:54:01,240
We try to hold a neighborhood meeting with the affected property owners, and then there's a mandatory public hearing that she'll see in the upcoming months.

1518
01:54:01,860 --> 01:54:07,320
I think I'm forecasting toward the end of April as part of this particular agenda under item eight.

1519
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:12,160
I'm estimating it will be April 25th for that public hearing if we can get everything

1520
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:12,840
done in the meantime.

1521
01:54:13,900 --> 01:54:15,480
So with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

1522
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:19,060
Any questions for Tom?

1523
01:54:19,500 --> 01:54:26,800
All right, we have a motion and a second to approve the Declaration of Intent to Level

1524
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:28,600
to Levy Special Assetsments.

1525
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:36,140
We have a motion and a second to approve the Declaration of Intent to Levy Special Assessments

1526
01:54:36,140 --> 01:54:39,760
for our sidewalks on 11th Street between Elizabeth and Jefferson.

1527
01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:42,460
Any additional discussion on the motion?

1528
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:44,980
Hearing none, please call the roll.

1529
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:46,180
Bellington.

1530
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:52,680
Here's a thorough, weed again, cold, hazard, pen, penny.

1531
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:55,640
All right, motion passes unanimously, thank you.

1532
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:58,000
To new business, 13.1.

1533
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:03,500
An amendment of ordinance 7.09 sub 20 to relate it to overnight parking

1534
01:55:03,500 --> 01:55:09,140
being prohibited on certain streets or parking lots, still you, Tom.

1535
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:10,760
It is. Thank you again.

1536
01:55:11,860 --> 01:55:16,640
So this ordinance revision comes by way of the staff, primarily the Public Works Department

1537
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:21,600
and Parks Department, those that are charged with clearing the streets and municipal parking

1538
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:27,880
lots of snow. Right now, Downtown Bearbow has a prohibition of overnight parking between

1539
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:34,440
the hours of 2 a.m. and 6 a.m. every single day that does not extend into the municipal parking lots.

1540
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:41,540
We have many parking lots that are 24 hour parking. It doesn't give them indefinitely 24 hours

1541
01:55:41,540 --> 01:55:46,540
passes. They have to move at least 90 feet to comply with the ordinance. So what staff is suggesting

1542
01:55:46,540 --> 01:55:52,380
is there's a couple of lots that are used rather sparingly for overnight parking. Northside of 5th

1543
01:55:52,380 --> 01:55:56,320
Avenue, just east of Broadway, and the Lower Civic Center parking lot.

1544
01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:02,280
So since they're used sparingly, we'd like to concentrate the location of those vehicles,

1545
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:07,380
so we can maximize the efficiency of removing snow from those.

1546
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:14,380
So on the fifth avenue, parking lot, we'd like to create alternate side parking, if you will.

1547
01:56:14,380 --> 01:56:22,060
and it would be restricted from 2 a.m. to 6 a.m. on the east side on odd days. West

1548
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:27,500
half would be allowed during odd days, east half on even days. So we'd be able to

1549
01:56:27,500 --> 01:56:32,220
clear at least 50% of the parking lot completely and not put our operators or

1550
01:56:32,220 --> 01:56:37,220
equipment in Perl's way trying to sneak through scattered parking via park

1551
01:56:37,220 --> 01:56:43,360
vehicles. Similarly, Lord Civic Center lot. A lot of stalls there. In fact, there's

1552
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:46,380
six different aisles of parking running east and west.

1553
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:53,620
So the proposal from staff is that the central area be restricted from 2am to 6am so

1554
01:56:53,620 --> 01:56:58,380
we can complete four out of six of those are 66% of the lot cleared.

1555
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:04,560
So the far north row of stalls, which is against the upper civic center parking lot.

1556
01:57:05,180 --> 01:57:12,400
And the southernmost row of stalls adjacent to first street would be 24 hour parking.

1557
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:15,260
The balance, no parking, 2 a.m. to 6 a.m.

1558
01:57:15,940 --> 01:57:17,800
I know there's a question, what about special events?

1559
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:24,300
Typically that's posted for special events, so that basically voids that 2 a.m. to 6 a.m. restriction.

1560
01:57:25,220 --> 01:57:28,120
So this was looked at the January 30th meeting in public safety.

1561
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:33,800
I know it's the police department has chained in, and I know that the folks from the parks department

1562
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:38,620
feel that this is a reasonable approach to improve the city's operational capabilities.

1563
01:57:38,620 --> 01:57:43,240
So that would be happy to address any questions or concerns that you might have.

1564
01:57:43,860 --> 01:57:49,580
This is going to be a huge learning curve for the people that park in those overnight lots.

1565
01:57:50,180 --> 01:57:57,420
How are you going to put this information out so that it's an understandable format for these folks?

1566
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:03,860
I think we have ten different signs to identify exactly.

1567
01:58:03,860 --> 01:58:10,700
it'll be very well signed. It comes as close to being in self-explanatory as long as someone's

1568
01:58:10,700 --> 01:58:16,880
looking at the signs and not at their phones. So it will be well. We've already sent notified

1569
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:22,780
our normal sign company. They've sent us drafts back. So if this gets approved at the next meeting,

1570
01:58:22,780 --> 01:58:27,920
we would have them ordered. We don't really expect to sign it. They're enforce it any more this season,

1571
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:31,920
but certainly for the fall portion of winter.

1572
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:33,940
Just get people used to it.

1573
01:58:33,940 --> 01:58:35,220
Yeah, that's it, thanks.

1574
01:58:36,060 --> 01:58:38,400
But it would be a year round change, though, correct?

1575
01:58:38,620 --> 01:58:39,960
Not just in the winter.

1576
01:58:39,980 --> 01:58:40,480
Yes, it would.

1577
01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:42,420
Yep, upon the erection of the science.

1578
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:44,720
So, ordinance will be there and science,

1579
01:58:45,020 --> 01:58:46,440
and they're taking six to eight weeks

1580
01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:47,900
to get them delivered these days, so.

1581
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,040
By then, hopefully, this season of winter is over.

1582
01:58:54,270 --> 01:58:55,390
Any other questions for Tom?

1583
01:59:07,210 --> 01:59:23,910
I just want to say that one of the biggest things I hear from people who live downtown is how restrictive the parking already is and is there any other way to accommodate parking downtown to also accommodate snow removal.

1584
01:59:23,910 --> 01:59:31,570
I don't know if there is, but I can assure you that more restrictive parking downtown,

1585
01:59:31,850 --> 01:59:38,550
even as sparingly as you say, it's being used, is going to cause more consternation

1586
01:59:38,550 --> 01:59:39,230
for people downtown.

1587
01:59:39,770 --> 01:59:44,870
I don't know if there's any other way to do snow removal that makes sense to do maintenance

1588
01:59:44,870 --> 01:59:45,190
up there.

1589
01:59:45,350 --> 01:59:45,990
I don't know.

1590
01:59:46,490 --> 01:59:53,170
I'm just saying that potentially, if there's any other creative way to do that and allow

1591
01:59:53,170 --> 01:59:59,750
people depart without all these restrictions, I think that would be a very open

1592
02:00:00,940 --> 02:00:28,140
That's all I have to say about that, because parking right now down there is something that I've heard about parking passes, about snow emergencies instead of hoping to set parking and being allowed to park on the street. And now we're not doing that or not even talking about that. We are going to restrict parking and lots that we're not restricted before. So I just want to bring that up as maybe there's other ways to do things.

1593
02:00:28,140 --> 02:00:31,380
So, I'd be happy to hear.

1594
02:00:32,220 --> 02:00:40,320
Well, it was a concern as well on public safety, but we had several aerial photos of that area.

1595
02:00:40,980 --> 02:00:45,900
And there really were just a smattering of cars parking overnight.

1596
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:52,000
And there's adequate parking, you know, for the cars that are identified there's adequate

1597
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:56,260
parking on the alternative parking spaces.

1598
02:00:56,260 --> 02:01:06,020
And in addition to that, the snowplough drivers were engaged in this and Tony, so Tony, the

1599
02:01:06,020 --> 02:01:11,760
street superintendent confirmed that there really isn't a lot.

1600
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:20,960
The parking spaces that are going to be allotted will more than compensate for that one when

1601
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:21,740
they're plowing.

1602
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:22,160
Okay.

1603
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:22,600
Okay.

1604
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:27,380
Any further discussion on the motion?

1605
02:01:29,930 --> 02:01:30,470
All right.

1606
02:01:30,470 --> 02:01:31,310
Please call the rule.

1607
02:01:32,370 --> 02:01:33,130
Curezik, aye.

1608
02:01:33,670 --> 02:01:34,510
Thurar, aye.

1609
02:01:34,830 --> 02:01:35,530
Whittigan, aye.

1610
02:01:35,890 --> 02:01:36,410
Cole, aye.

1611
02:01:36,650 --> 02:01:37,370
Hazard, aye.

1612
02:01:37,670 --> 02:01:38,010
Can't.

1613
02:01:38,010 --> 02:01:38,230
Aye.

1614
02:01:38,610 --> 02:01:39,230
Petty, aye.

1615
02:01:39,590 --> 02:01:39,970
Alington.

1616
02:01:40,210 --> 02:01:40,290
Aye.

1617
02:01:41,050 --> 02:01:42,270
Motion passes unanimously.

1618
02:01:42,850 --> 02:01:43,130
Thank you.

1619
02:01:43,190 --> 02:01:43,610
Thank you, Tom.

1620
02:01:44,550 --> 02:01:45,750
Minister, I don't have Council comments.

1621
02:01:45,830 --> 02:01:46,550
Casey, do you have anything?

1622
02:01:47,030 --> 02:01:47,510
Okay.

1623
02:01:47,810 --> 02:01:48,530
Any older persons?

1624
02:01:48,650 --> 02:01:50,110
Any comments to share to me?

1625
02:01:50,290 --> 02:02:00,410
I'd like to point out fees are in our building inspectors report is 10% of the

1626
02:02:00,410 --> 02:02:10,410
total fees collected 10% in January. The total fees collected in 22. So there's

1627
02:02:10,410 --> 02:02:11,230
something going on.

1628
02:02:13,470 --> 02:02:17,670
Thank you. Anyone else have any announcements to share?

1629
02:02:18,890 --> 02:02:23,390
All right. Thank you. That takes us to 15 reports, petitions and correspondence.

1630
02:02:23,390 --> 02:02:29,210
We're linked to the packet online, which takes us to item 16. I'll entertain a

1631
02:02:29,210 --> 02:02:30,730
a motion to go into closed session,

1632
02:02:30,890 --> 02:02:33,370
pursuant to statute 19.85 sub one,

1633
02:02:33,370 --> 02:02:34,910
sub C to consider employment,

1634
02:02:35,130 --> 02:02:35,890
promotion, compensation,

1635
02:02:35,970 --> 02:02:37,930
or performance evaluation of a public employee.

1636
02:02:38,790 --> 02:02:40,310
And this would be continuing

1637
02:02:40,890 --> 02:02:42,550
the annual performance evaluation

1638
02:02:42,550 --> 02:02:43,710
for the City Administrator.

1639
02:02:44,530 --> 02:02:45,350
Call some old.

1640
02:02:45,550 --> 02:02:46,290
What did you have a second?

1641
02:02:46,690 --> 02:02:48,350
All right, we have a motion in a second

1642
02:02:48,350 --> 02:02:49,770
to go into closed session.

1643
02:02:49,930 --> 02:02:50,830
Would you please call the roll?

1644
02:02:51,430 --> 02:02:53,310
Curesic, I, thorough, I,

1645
02:02:53,650 --> 02:02:54,610
Wittigan, call,

1646
02:02:55,230 --> 02:02:56,750
hazards, I, can, I,

1647
02:02:56,750 --> 02:03:01,950
All right, all right, we are going into closed session. Does anyone need a break?

1648
02:03:04,210 --> 02:03:08,530
Looks like they are already queuing up. Looks like they are queuing up the fear and all right.