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All this city council bond workshop to order, 5.33 p.m. September 2nd

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on the agenda item A is

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to discuss the bond.

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I think everybody got an updated road list yesterday. Email to them

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with

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the road list of the bond and I think most of the bond and splits kind of done.

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on

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my my ward I went and did DBS T on a bunch of streets behind the fire

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station which is 556 and Avenue B instead of conventional asphalt which cut

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about 500,000 out of my need which still left me a little short so you

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want

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I'm going to go by Ward, look at each road list there.

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I'm pretty satisfied with mine.

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All right, Ward 1, Mr. Seal.

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I must have our stuff done after the storm during the storm.

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The county did a couple of roads.

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Joe's by your road.

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Is that me paved?

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It's just bad.

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I mean from the county or somebody paved from the bridge going to Blue Meadow.

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So from this side, it's not, you know, we wrote it, we looked at it, it's got some holes in it, but it's not a thoroughfare.

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I mean, if we can maintain it, but maybe for a little bit of cost.

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That's the only road I had any questions about.

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Yeah.

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And I've wrote it, you know, and it's the same thing.

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I just don't know much traffic's on it.

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Right.

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I know it's shut down. Some people use it to go to the casino.

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It's not sure, really.

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That's what's here.

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people. Yeah, it's coming from that way.

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You see somebody getting off 90.

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Really just bad by the bridge. It is. And we can maybe if you hot

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patch, you know, just that one section from the bridge that would

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you know, I mean, we also

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So, you know, the DBST and the chip seal and all, the D1, but I don't know if they're

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going to be in that area where it would make it worthwhile to use.

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If they're not in that area for one, it's going to be as much as asphalt.

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So really, that's probably, you know, we looked at that.

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That probably won't be an option on that road.

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We just need to see if that's what we want to go ahead and use.

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or two.

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Jason, this pricing and everything includes the striping and all for Main Street.

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We do have the striping, yes, sir, so we've got striping on St. Francis and then Main

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Street for the first block. That's all included in this final number, right?

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Is that indicative of every single ward?

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We're only looking. If there's no current striping, then we weren't going to go back and strike it.

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Whatever's there now. Main Street, we've got to mill up so much of it because of the carbon gutter.

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So we're going to take up all that striping anyway, so we've got to redo it.

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Okay, thank you.

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Jason on that beach area down there, we've talked about trying to come in with some striping

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and all through that area, traffic regions,

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crossover walks and things like that.

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We have anything for this or is this something

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we're gonna look at on the side?

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The numbers that we have now are strictly for what's there?

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Strictly on Main Street.

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Main Street, right.

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We're gonna have to do something there.

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You know, we've looked and all

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and trying to create some, I guess,

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unloading and loading zones.

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Right.

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Maybe at the end of the mile

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And we created the one on Port Street of Smalling.

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And if we need to take up a little more

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and to restripe that one as well,

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we'll talk about the one on Main Street along the bank side

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where it can take care of that area

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and then come down to the mollusins

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and maybe take care of a little,

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that a truck can fit in there as well

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and to keep them off the beach and everything

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from blocking traffic down there

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when they get supplies in.

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And I think a few years ago, we looked at a striping plan for the downtown area.

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There are some, probably Gulf region would be a good source to reach out to.

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It's like, and, you know, we, we talked about the crosswalks at the base of Main Street,

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middle of Main Street.

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And marked the ADA ramps.

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Yeah, the ADA ramps.

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Yeah, and with that, one of the things is, is our parking as well, you know,

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they went up to the garage,

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do we mark it in the street with arrows so you can see it

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plainly in the street, mark the parking garage, you know, to try to get people there. Signed,

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we put signs up. I don't know, they just don't catch the eye, they get blocked or whatever it is

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to let people know, hey, the parking garage is a couple hundred feet down the road right here.

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Is that something we'd want, maybe we do this striping on the beach itself to go in

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and add that to it to try to, you know, get people to the garage for parking.

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I have a question there.

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Does Dunbar Street start at Main Street?

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Dunbar?

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Dunbar starts at Main and goes to the highway?

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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The first one is St. Francis Street.

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It stops at Main Street.

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So, Jason, you got Dunbar St. John.

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there at St. Francis Street. What are you including in that 750 feet? Because it's not 750 feet

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from St. John to Maine.

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And that's $38,000 from St. John to Maine.

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There's striping and milling included in that also. It's not just an overlay.

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Yeah, that's the sidewalks that are in there.

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You got 750 feet.

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Without my map in front of me, I don't know exactly where I got that measurement from,

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but the names of the streets might be wrong, but then your footage is still in there.

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That's where Gene would pick up middle of that block there, and I think on yours...

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I know, but in St. John, the main is not 750 feet.

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I wouldn't think so.

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I know on Main Street, yeah, I know it looks like a couple of blocks on Main Street, maybe

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the three and four hundred might be swapped as far as footage goes on.

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I'll verify that dimension, but that's where the intent is to go from Dunbar all the way

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to St. John, or from Main Street all the way to St. John on St. Francis.

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Right, but what are we doing on the other side of the 290 and Main

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Street?

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I've got Dunbar Street, St. Francis to Highway 90, that's in there, it's about 1,600 feet.

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Okay,

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so that's all Dunbar, so to speak, but then St. Francis, Dunbar to St. John, that's done up Main Street.

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Do you think that's supposed to be St. John to Main Street, instead of Dunbar?

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Is it all tied into...

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Yeah, because then we pick up...

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We have some in...

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Old Spanish Trail?

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Yeah, then we pick up from Old Spanish Trail from Bookter to St. John.

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You've got, uh, 38 is 79,000 from Maine, Highway 90, which is 1,600 feet, and this is only 79, then the block is 38.

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,600 is about twice as, 750 is 1,500, twice as much.

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It's about twice as much.

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It's not 750, though.

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Well, I changed the number.

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like I said 600 or 750 these are all budget numbers these are all estimates

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none of this has been designed yet none of this has been wheeled off or measured

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off so I can confirm that number away

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from 90 past Main Street and on through

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Yeah, the intent is to go from 90

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all the way to Bookter.

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Unbar slash St. Francis slash.

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The only one I had a question on here, I think,

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in Ward 2 was the 400 block of Carroll.

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That would be a one just riding the roads

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and all looking and all.

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I'd like to rewrite that road, you know.

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I just don't, I don't remember that.

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Where are some of them?

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I'd have to ride through there.

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I do, I mean, I ride it all the time, but I don't,

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That's the one bottom park there.

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I mean, you ride them in a golf course, you'll know it's bad.

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Just done more. And I just don't remember getting beat on that.

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I'm going to go with that. State Street.

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400 block of faith. President Maine.

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And G.O. Fordham. Because from St. John to states like 699.

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I'm not sure where it came from.

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And now if you're talking about some assets, that little cut by the...

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Yeah, I don't know what that's, 700.

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So it was probably 200 feet,

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then you got the telephone company's property right there,

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Yeah, we might be honest, yeah, you know, I was looking at 3,350, but total, some of that might be for Ward 3 as well, but we stopped that in there.

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But again, you know, like Jason said, it's just for the budget, I guess the exact numbers when it comes, but we can recheck some of these.

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Now, there's a couple other roads as well.

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How far is it from St. John, past Maine to where it intersects?

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That was the 700 feet.

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That's what I see.

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Back to St. John.

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That's where a dumb boy turns around State Street to where it meets the point.

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And that was the 700.

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It might be one of those on the flip side.

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That would be in front of Anthony.

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That's showing about 600, 700 feet.

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That's going over Main Street to State Street for the how much where they intersect.

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That's what I'm showing there, 700.

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So footage is there just maybe moved to different might just have a different

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treatment. Yeah, it's like 350 from Maine to St. John, but then it's another 350 or so to state.

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That's all I got. Mike, do you want to revisit Carol? I do. I'd like to see it and I think

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Jason, do we have the fire department in here to try to concrete? Yes, sir.

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It's actually highlighted on the list. Yeah, it's not the last one that says

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main street okay I got it yeah main street concrete by the fire department I

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figured about 300 feet and I'd use the same it's priced out as concrete not

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asphalt but it's I didn't have a separate take us into what m dot into that

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concrete off the highway no sir there'd be another probably three or four hundred

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feet to get to them it's really just right in front of where the fire

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station is and where the trucks make the turn and we go back to asphalt we

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We can extend it if you want, but all I priced out was just pretty much right in front of the fire department.

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Okay.

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Can I sit myself in?

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All right.

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Mr. Reed, Ward 3?

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Yes.

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With Michael, Sheila, and Cappy, the first price Jason was $8,800, and it went up to $37,000.

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That's that's we wouldn't look at those that's gonna I feel like that needs to

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be go back to concrete. Turn around in there and everything with the garbage trucks

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and all going through those road eight up the concrete now, you know, call Jason

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talking him about it,

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not in stone, but I think we'll have to tear all that out and whether we

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asphalt or not. I think it has to be two out and four, probably four inches, Jason, if we do the asphalt at least for one more. So that those three, they're in pretty bad shape. And to be concrete in that bad shape, they get a lot of wear.

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That's the reason you see the increase in those three right

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down.

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The original estimate was just based off of a two inch overlay. And then once I went and looked at them and realized that they were concrete in the shape that they were in,

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And they've got curving gutter, so we can't just go in there and just do an overlay right

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on top of it.

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You could bridge all that broken up concrete, but we'd have to go with at least six inches

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of asphalt so that you don't end up with the asphalt cracking within a few months.

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You can do that, then you've got to drop off on the edge by the curving gutter, and

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then that all starts breaking off, so I think the best thing on those would be to

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tear out the concrete, regrade it, repack the sub-grade, and go back with concrete

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and tie that into the gutter lines.

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Only one of them is concrete.

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What's the first one?

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The first one is Kathy.

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Kathy.

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And Sheila is the second one.

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Michael's second.

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Michael's the only one concrete.

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Wasn't they all concrete?

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Just Kathy and Sheila.

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I mean, it's our asphalt.

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Michael's the only one that's concrete.

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Something we can look at then and go back.

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And at the end, at Kella, I talked with Moriali, and he's okay with just putting some rocks

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down there, grading that out, putting some rocks.

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So when we get back on that, we're probably going to drop something over.

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That was one of the ones I wanted to look at, it's not a whole lot, but it is something.

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And Marty, Marty Street, I think from the end of the asphalt, to the end of the asphalt,

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Marty is about 700 feet, 800 feet, Marty is 800 feet.

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And they're okay with grating it in, but there's some rocks in there.

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Just cover them in holes and then in them pot holes.

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But taking asphalt to where it is now, they've got five new houses in there.

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Basically the cutouts in the road, just to mess the road up.

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Union

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You just need to go back and look at Michael shielding

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happy rest of it. The only other thing I had on in Ward 3 was a depot, like take that. I would

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got that grant coming for that. I feel like there's plenty of money in that to do that road

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and look at it and what we want to actually do with that road. So that was one, you know,

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we looked at maybe possibly taking out away from the bond and have that money for

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We got plenty to put to where we got as you can see we got $7,000 $7 million worth of roads

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I see that that

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was one you know we talked about that we can put that on the side and

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all yeah that's what I would like to do if we took that out and used that money for

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that people have, I'd like to put it toward their condition.

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That's all, that's all, Mr.

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That's

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all, Mr. Reed.

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Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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Mr. Smith, four.

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Yes, sir.

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In the Spanish Acres, is the concrete that the cul-de-sac included in this price?

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Yes, sir, it is.

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It's such a small section that I didn't do a separate price for it, but I included

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that in the overall cost.

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In 8th Street to Sube and Turner, that's going to be split.

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but I

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don't know that it's necessary that we include Mr. Mayor, EZ Street?

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Yeah, I got EZ Street. I also have Webb Street as a question. Mark, I wrote Webb quite a few times trying to figure it's in pretty good shape.

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Right.

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I wrote Webb Street yesterday. I thought it was in pretty good shape.

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I think Webb is not falling apart. You know that it's really in pretty good shape.

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and all. Yeah because that's a chunk of money. Yeah I had I had easy and we had

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I think it's another one that's good. Right. There was another one I had a

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question mark on on Valentine Street. I'm not sure what block that was on

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Valentine.

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That's between railroad and old Spanish trail. Okay. Everything south

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everything south and east of there was yeah we can go look at that

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it's a little warm but I wrote it just actually a little while ago and it seemed pretty decent

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he's got some rocks and the other killer street that's behind um

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depot row back there

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Right I just had a question mark on that

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The only thing other thing I'd like to ask to see if we could do is

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Put a crush rock on Ballard court

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Charles

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What's been on the trail or is that that strip along Jesus Christ?

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That's on the north side one.

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Above that chain.

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Yeah, that's bad.

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I don't look like that's been touched in...

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Oh my God, years.

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I would think that in Konichi probably was done last time together.

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Yeah, it really needs to be taken care of.

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But those are the only things that I have to...

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So are we taking those last two off?

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Whatever they're using?

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I mean, it's something to look at, you know, just revisit.

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Yeah, I'd like to just revisit those two.

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Those could be alternate bids.

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I think we need to consider looking at the numbers

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and looking at how much the bond is.

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I think we need to come up with a base bid and alternate bid

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so that if the money comes in less,

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anticipated coming in less than what I'm estimating.

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And then at that time we can evaluate which streets we absolutely need to do

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and then alternate streets that we can do that and then we can come back and add

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those in let's just do that make that an alternate I talked to Jason before we

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came over he thinks we may get they'll get a little better by money

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A few more dollars out of this bond, also reached out to ask, you know, originally, we figured,

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I think it was 440 for a note, 440,000 for a note, you know, we scaled back to 400,000.

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I asked them to see what we could get down for that 40 as well.

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The money's there, so the possibility we can go ahead and maybe get that.

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Jason, what's the tonnage price?

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What do you figure out?

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For the overlay, we were figuring $80 per ton.

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And we do have some asphalt base repair.

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So we've got several different pay items.

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The asphalt base repair, what that is, is in our section of road,

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say like by Turner Street, by the little grocery store.

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Yes.

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It's cracked, it's really bad shape.

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They have to come in and actually move that out about four inches and put some leveling

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course or some asphalt in and then come back and overlay it.

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That's usually higher because it just takes longer to do.

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So we've got that at $85 per ton, that's the asphalt base repair.

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And the contingency, is all I'm going to have a contingency fee?

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Yeah, we just did a cross the board contingency for unforeseen issues coming to

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field. I mean all the quantities are estimated and of course the contractors

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paid on what's installed. So we put that 10% in there just so we'd have a

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little bit of extra room. The mobilization is something that I think we

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budgeted high once we actually get down to bidding the projects out and if

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we know if we're going to have three contracts or two contracts or whatever

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we're going to do, then I feel like that mobilization is going to come die down as

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Well, so those those line items contingency mobilization engineering will all be lower than what's on this sheet

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It just depends on how the projects are broken up

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So the mobilization is you got to figure that what?

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Is

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We did that at 10%

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Engineering you got about 9%

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That's budgeted for right now is that 10%

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you got put everything you got to add everything into it

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mobilization, contingency, and everything

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got to be added all together, and it's

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going to be pushing that 10%.

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That'll be a savings right there, too, once it's actually.

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We just didn't know exactly what level of work

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and what the scope of work was going to be.

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There are several streets that we've looked at that we know

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we're going to have to identify the right-of-way,

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just so particularly back by the grocery store or Old Spanish

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Trail, because we've got to be

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To fix that drainage, we've got to know where the right-of-way is and mill all the way to the right-of-way and then slope it back down.

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There's a couple out on Ward 6 that we suspect that this road has actually gotten outside the right-of-way a little bit,

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so we need to identify that and erect those before we go out there and pave anything on private property.

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So that'll all be included in that fee as well, but it's just a little bit of additional work that we haven't had to do in the past.

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Are we able to reuse any of the new materials as base materials for the Ward 6 roads?

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That's something we'll have to talk about. I've kind of got a list of design questions

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I don't want her to go through once y'all have figured out what streets you want to

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do. And that's one thing because we have a lot of millings in this project too.

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So we can do that and have the contractor transport that out to some of the roads

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or they can stockpile it and the city can move it as they get it. The need for

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There's a couple of different ways you can handle it.

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You could have the contractor haul it off and reuse it.

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You get a better tonnage price if you do things like that.

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I know there was some concern about the large material

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that was milled the first time,

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so if we want to include screening measures.

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I talked to several asphalt contractors

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and they said the only way to make it finer

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is either slow down the milling machine

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which really increases your milling cost

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and it doesn't become feasible to reuse it, you can always screen it, either have them

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screen it and haul off the large chunks and then just transport the smaller material.

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So there's a couple of things like that that we have to talk about before we actually

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put the bids out to see exactly what's the best way to go.

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I think the intent is to reuse some of that material out there.

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We have an idea of what it may bring our tonnage down to before we make a decision.

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That'll be something that we'll bear that we'll have to talk to some of the

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contract and it all depends on the quantity so we need that's why we need

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to know what are we going to be milling base bits we know exactly it's going to

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be two thousand yards of milling there's gonna be a thousand yards things

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like that then we can figure back they reuse that how much savings on that

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kind of price that was something that came up last go around they hauled it

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off and they were able to reuse it it was we got a better price on the

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million because they knew they could reuse it. If they don't get that

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material, then they don't give this bit of a price for it. Just like crushing concrete.

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A lot of times, they'll remove it for no cost because they can crush it up and reuse it.

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Mr. Smith, that'll do me. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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Hey Larry, what about that one strip along Shieldsboro? Is that a lower or is that

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private property. They're turning lane? Yeah. St. Charles? Yeah. Well, going into shield. Oh,

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well, yeah. I thought right across from Larry's house. Right. Well, that was pay. Yeah, they've

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already done that. They did that already. I think maybe is are you talking about on St.

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Charles side? Yeah, because there is a there is a strip. Okay. I'm using. Yeah, by Dave

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I mean, people use it to park, right?

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People are using it to park.

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I don't know if that's private property or if that's actual city street.

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I would suspect it's public road or the right-of-way St. Charles.

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We'd have to pull the maps and verify it, but...

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It's just a little worky.

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Yeah, it's got some bumps and stuff in it.

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We could look at adding that too.

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I think that would just be a real...

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Just an overlay.

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Overlay probably one inch over that because it's not a absolutely full road

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We make it look finished. Yeah, yeah, because the other section was paid last time

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Mr.

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Zimmerman five probably

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about

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That's where the repairs have been done and down the street. There's a smaller spot very small

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maybe 10 by 10 that's failing also in the traffic grip and in another area you're going to have to go from the edge of the road to the edge of the road again

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and get that section of road in the shape and get that tunnel way down where we're using it.

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The only thing is we're going to have to go in before that mic and do some base repairs.

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We're probably getting ready to get started on that as soon as we get caught up on a couple of these main drains and all.

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get Jamie to go in and tear out.

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You know, we just patched that and it started just the north side of the patch.

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It goes all the way to the next patch.

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Probably need to tear up that whole section at least.

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Between the two patches, really.

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We're getting ready to get started on that.

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I would ask the engineer to design a plan on what we need.

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I would say go in and take three feet of material out.

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We're going to have to go in and take a couple feet.

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Whether it's stumps under there that got buried at one time,

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I'm not sure, but you know, we just did that.

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Some good sand and put it back in and compact it.

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Also got a couple of dirt roads through Dan and Jay.

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Kingston Road.

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I think we have those in.

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Yeah, I got them on there.

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OK.

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One of the things in this, I'm not sure whether it

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would be feasible or not to do it.

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That chip seal and all, the car roads,

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They do need haven and pretty bad shape all five of them back in there.

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But if that's something that could possibly be chip sealed, it's not heavy traffic.

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There's no culture sacks in it or anything turning around.

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But again, Jason, you'd have to look and see if it's an area that's feasible to bring in the chip seal and all.

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And I thought about that even going on those streets you just mentioned.

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and Buddy J and Boudin Road.

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But again, you know, the dump truck did back in that guy

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turn around, and that dump truck always trucked and all.

428
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Probably not going to hold up that long.

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Car streets.

430
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They've got the roads coming off of Longfellow.

431
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What's the road parallel?

432
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They did in Battleac, right?

433
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That's Call Street, too.

434
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Yeah, Cadillac, Lincoln, Alwik, Mercury, and Piney.

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It's five of them, I think.

436
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You got a turn where they tie into Cadillac.

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You have that turn coming off a long cut.

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My only concern with the chip seal is in that particular intersection,

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you go out of his trucks and dump trucks, whatever going through there,

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school buses, when they turn on that, that's where he kind of issues with the chip seal.

441
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Yeah, it may not be feasible, isn't it?

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That was the only question Mark, I had along, whether all the reserve needs,

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and I don't know, that's going to be a tough one right there.

444
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Yeah, and I think I priced out the entire length.

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I wasn't real sure what we wanted to look at at that point, but we could definitely scale that back

446
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We did have base repair included in this cost. So yeah, we okay have that gun

447
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Mr.

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Zermann

449
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They just cut out all the streets on 9th and

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All the way from 9th to on fellow

451
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put those new culverts in, and we get a smaller contractor that can handle that pair of those.

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All those cut-ins that we did when we replaced all those culverts.

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From 9th all the way down to the streets that we got.

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I think we don't have 9th on there.

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Well, yeah, 9th's on there, but I'm just saying that when you replace the culverts.

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The one we get in the road the other day?

457
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Yeah, cut the 5-foot sections across.

458
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10th and Hugo?

459
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Yeah.

460
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You know the 8th or 10th and Hugo?

461
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Yeah, we can put those I mean they don't have to go in here. We could just do it as a separate project

462
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You know out of the road bridge or something and just let some smaller like Johnson or something like that. Yeah

463
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Yeah, they did the one on State Street

464
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Okay, yeah, we can look at that

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the record reflect the record

466
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:16,780
show that Mr. Nobody brought them up fixing anything by

467
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:20,360
my building on the floor. Oh yeah. I didn't bring that up.

468
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:31,140
Oh lord. Bring that. Let's see here. Alright. Mine's the big one.

469
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:33,920
Mr.

470
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:42,020
Mayor. Were you talking possibly trying to go to six million on the bond?

471
00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:47,790
Is that

472
00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:49,310
We have five, three right now.

473
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:49,930
Yes.

474
00:39:53,540 --> 00:39:57,040
I think, you know, we do have the money up there.

475
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,080
I don't want to spend everything we got towards this.

476
00:40:00,540 --> 00:40:03,700
We're talking about, I think maybe another 30,000,

477
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,660
as long as it's for needs, very much needs

478
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:13,060
and our infrastructure and everything and all.

479
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,300
I think we need to do it

480
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,320
and make sure we get what's needed right now.

481
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:20,820
Yes.

482
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:21,220
Okay.

483
00:40:21,220 --> 00:40:24,440
Again, this is going to be a 20-year note.

484
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
We've got one on the books now, Doug.

485
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,600
But five years has been now, four to five years on that one.

486
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:33,680
So we still have 15 on that.

487
00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:39,320
But again, when we put it together, it's something, you know,

488
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:43,100
you would never be able to do it in a year at a time.

489
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,380
It's something that, with the cost of it,

490
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,520
you can see what mobilization costs each time

491
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,000
we try to do something right now.

492
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:55,280
So that, you know, there's no doubt, talking with a couple, you know, upstate and everything,

493
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,980
the price of asphalt is going to be nothing, probably, but go up, you know, as we move on.

494
00:41:00,740 --> 00:41:02,960
So I think this is an opportunity right now.

495
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:10,100
We need to get all of our needs and then, you know, make sure we go back into the areas that need it also.

496
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:18,880
So I think that's probably where we had exactly how much more I don't know, Josh.

497
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:20,120
Okay. I was just curious.

498
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:26,900
We've been beating around the bush with it for the last couple of weeks when we got the numbers in and all.

499
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,680
And one time I thought we were going to be good with the 5.3 or whatever it is and all,

500
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:36,040
but it seemed like we were going up a pretty good bit and everything on that.

501
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,360
So what did it get us? We can look and see.

502
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,100
I really do believe even if we kept everything on here and minus a few roads

503
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:48,940
here and there, you know, one or two here and there, I think we can probably still

504
00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:50,340
come up with enough to do.

505
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,000
That's right. I was just asking just some quick math I

506
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:04,460
seen. You know, drainage, you know, we're working in-house on drainage and all we're

507
00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:09,000
gonna have, I know a lot of Ward 6 has got cross culverts and everything, you know,

508
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:15,960
identified this past week and all, you know, the crossings and all coming, we're going to get those identified, we're going to get that taken care of.

509
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:27,140
We got sent a letter to the county today, I mean, the morning first thing that had been sent today, requesting that grader and operator to come in, we're going to start raising streets out there.

510
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:35,340
You know, a lot of side streets getting to, like, off-league, you know, out that way, the ones that need to, off-central out there, you know, by UBEs west,

511
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,080
take some of those in the streets there and start raising those most of them in

512
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,520
pretty good shape they need to be raised you know they all have a deli every one

513
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:53,400
of them got a deli in the middle of it. We're looking at trying to reshape those roads as well and have everything when it comes time for the Haven and all we're ready to go. Same thing around town.

514
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,900
You know we've got the big drainage project we hadn't heard anything left on you know back on St. John

515
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:01,720
and Esther Brooke, I think that's gonna be huge.

516
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,900
Jamie went out the other day,

517
00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:10,480
crossover from the Lumberjolli Reverend Reed

518
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,760
back behind y'all, you know,

519
00:43:11,780 --> 00:43:13,660
coming back through there, the Byers and everything.

520
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:18,740
Broke a dam, a couple dams, I think,

521
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,680
opened back there and drained a couple lakes ahead

522
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,940
and it stopped and we went back on the other end

523
00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:31,760
off a cane back home and in that area I found a drainage that's coming through there that's

524
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:38,560
it's a defined drain coming through so we at the same time worked out pretty good little Ronnie

525
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:45,300
Fanny was there with um the engineer in front that's got the county so they're going to take

526
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:49,460
and do some drone flyovers in there and try to define that that drain and they have more

527
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:57,600
So we'll have an idea how we can tie in back behind, you know, further down behind the bars and all that into that drain there.

528
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,780
So we've made some headway on that.

529
00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:03,840
We're not saying we still have to get in that big end when we need to get in there.

530
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:10,340
He's willing to send his people back in there with the track going and the path and everything working with Jameson.

531
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:18,340
So a lot of drainage work we're working on, you know, got some in the Cedar Point, all areas, you know,

532
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:21,260
just trying to try to get ahead of them, catch up.

533
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,720
Again, we, you know, having a hard time with employees, whether it's COVID

534
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:26,860
this and that or whatever,

535
00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:31,900
one here, two here, that's out and everything.

536
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:35,850
We're we're moving forward on all that.

537
00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:39,650
So, you know, we don't we don't want drainage to be a problem on our roads.

538
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:42,410
Slow things down once we get started.

539
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:45,730
So we've got we've got three or four months at least to try to get

540
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:48,970
the drainage done by the time this is all said and done in that way.

541
00:44:48,970 --> 00:44:53,150
Hopefully, at least by the first two years, we can get moving on as if not the same.

542
00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:54,290
Did the tractor come in?

543
00:44:54,670 --> 00:44:55,130
Who's that?

544
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:56,490
The tractor with the ditch cleaner?

545
00:44:57,170 --> 00:44:58,110
It is coming.

546
00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:03,200
I

547
00:45:05,540 --> 00:45:07,720
think we

548
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:22,790
need to talk about the different type of work. So you've got asphalt

549
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:29,930
paving, you've got chip seal, DBST, there's no contractor that does both of them.

550
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:35,750
The two big paving contractors, they sell about the DBST to two other contractors.

551
00:45:36,070 --> 00:45:39,930
So if we're going to go with that amount of quantity on DBST, my recommendation is

552
00:45:39,930 --> 00:45:45,790
We have a separate DBST contract that they can get in and do it, because if you go with,

553
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:49,910
if you combine them, then you're going to end up paying the markup on the DBST

554
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:51,670
for a general contractor to do it.

555
00:45:51,810 --> 00:45:56,090
And there are large enough projects that you can still get the quantity down low enough

556
00:45:56,090 --> 00:45:57,730
to get the great unit price.

557
00:45:58,410 --> 00:46:02,870
And then if we have concrete repair like fire department, Michael Sheila,

558
00:46:03,330 --> 00:46:05,770
Kathy Drive, those streets, whatever that works out to be,

559
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:08,050
Spanish Acres the end of there.

560
00:46:08,050 --> 00:46:13,710
there. I think that could be another standalone project that would be smaller, a smaller contract

561
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:20,830
could go in there, prepare the sub-basin and pay those areas with concrete. If you start

562
00:46:20,830 --> 00:46:24,290
mixing the different types of work, then I think you're going to end up paying more.

563
00:46:25,170 --> 00:46:28,930
There's a general contractor, the paving contractors don't do DVST like I said, they

564
00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:32,230
don't do concrete. So, you're just paying somebody to sub it out.

565
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:34,710
You're just paying somebody to sub it out, so why not just go to them directly.

566
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:38,370
So if we do three separate contractors, kind of what I have in the back of my mind, you

567
00:46:38,370 --> 00:46:43,090
know, with the concrete, DBST, then paving, and then you got to decide on where you would

568
00:46:43,090 --> 00:46:43,610
want to start.

569
00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:50,370
And it just kind of depends on, I guess, I wouldn't say let's do a paving contract

570
00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:55,110
in DBST at the same time because then you got two separate contractors working, potentially

571
00:46:55,110 --> 00:46:56,350
working in the same area.

572
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:59,730
And so I think you ought to figure out, you know, where you want to go with the

573
00:46:59,730 --> 00:47:03,010
first contract and go from there.

574
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:12,960
And last time we had two phase one and phase two paving, so all the DVSTs pretty much out

575
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,120
in ward six, so if that area wanted to start first and get that done and then do another

576
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,420
phase one paving, it seems like it works out pretty well from a mobilization standpoint

577
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:26,420
because ward six is really one separate area and then you can do the other paving

578
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:30,920
down in the old part of town as one separate contract, so maybe you end up with four

579
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:31,520
contracts.

580
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:38,000
The mobilization is, budgeted right now, we're estimated at 10%, and that's 10% of whatever

581
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:38,960
the total cost of.

582
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:44,620
So, if you have four million dollar projects, or if you have one four million dollar project,

583
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,200
the mobilization is still 10%, so, and I think that what makes sense is breaking it

584
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,600
up into those different types of contracts to save money.

585
00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:54,980
Yeah.

586
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:55,880
I agree with that.

587
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,960
Go directly to the, to the contractor, sell it in the sub, make the money on

588
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:00,080
it.

589
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:08,400
And like I say to DBST asphalt asphalt this side in the concrete so for I think

590
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:14,420
it make will make a lot of sense to do it that way I said they all large enough

591
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:24,680
projects we shouldn't get the quantity right discounts area DBST we came up

592
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,720
almost seven miles I think, so it's got a lot of them.

593
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,020
Look, you know, the county's using it.

594
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,700
Some, I'll get a list of roads you can go look at.

595
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,420
Ship seal, they did on Firetile Road,

596
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:38,160
I can remember that one being done

597
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,140
towards East, towards Harrison County, through there.

598
00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:44,620
That road has held up very, very well.

599
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,040
I'll get a list of a couple more roads

600
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,280
that they're looking at that day.

601
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:48,760
One day,

602
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:57,920
there's also something they call,

603
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,420
they can help me put larger rocks

604
00:49:01,420 --> 00:49:01,640
to

605
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:08,930
have it written down as something to check on the way.

606
00:49:09,050 --> 00:49:13,040
Remember, like on 53 up north past,

607
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:15,620
where he was towards the county line up there,

608
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:18,620
they came in and did that and they used the bigger rocks

609
00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:20,420
and all this something to wear that there.

610
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:24,100
Just like a chip seal chip.

611
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:24,680
And

612
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:30,150
that'll be in the design specs

613
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:31,490
for whatever type of material.

614
00:49:32,350 --> 00:49:35,070
The down, I don't want to say a downfall with DBST,

615
00:49:35,090 --> 00:49:38,270
but some things to consider is it's not as smooth

616
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:41,230
as asphalt, so out in county areas

617
00:49:41,230 --> 00:49:45,010
where the traffic volume or the traffic speeds are a lot higher sometimes there

618
00:49:45,010 --> 00:49:49,030
are noise complaints it's mitigated because you got a lot larger area the

619
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:52,310
houses aren't as compacted so a lot of people don't complain about it I think

620
00:49:52,310 --> 00:49:55,750
it'll be fine down here because the streets are a lot smaller shorter and

621
00:49:55,750 --> 00:50:00,130
you're not driving 40 50 60 miles an hour a lot slower speed so I think you

622
00:50:00,130 --> 00:50:04,370
know that's shouldn't be a problem yeah every rule we looking at doing 25

623
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:06,970
miles an hour yeah they're all low speed roads low volume

624
00:50:06,970 --> 00:50:08,990
We got a lot of them in one house here, one house there.

625
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:11,210
I think it clearly showed out there.

626
00:50:16,050 --> 00:50:20,110
Road 556, 19th Street, all that down to 1999 or 2000.

627
00:50:20,290 --> 00:50:20,730
Yeah, it's been 90 years.

628
00:50:21,130 --> 00:50:21,910
Check out the problems.

629
00:50:22,750 --> 00:50:24,350
It's a good product with it being loaded.

630
00:50:24,370 --> 00:50:25,410
Got a little flex to it.

631
00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:26,950
They say it won't crack and all that.

632
00:50:29,070 --> 00:50:31,670
And we're talking about doing a fog seal on top yourself?

633
00:50:31,810 --> 00:50:33,810
Yeah, so what's priced out here is a fog seal.

634
00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:37,650
So another complaint about DVST is

635
00:50:37,650 --> 00:50:41,470
it looks more gray than black asphalt

636
00:50:42,370 --> 00:50:47,330
and a way to seal that off so that it does extend the life of it and keep water out.

637
00:50:47,550 --> 00:50:52,370
It's to do a real thin fog seal. It makes it look more like asphalt, but it does give you a better ride.

638
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:53,890
It smooths it out and seals it off.

639
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:56,030
Killing in that dust that will come from the rock.

640
00:50:56,030 --> 00:50:59,290
And then it knocks down the dust, yeah, because the rock that they use is limestone.

641
00:50:59,590 --> 00:50:59,690
Yeah.

642
00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:03,390
And so sometimes that can be dusty for a few months until it all wears off.

643
00:51:03,610 --> 00:51:08,050
So putting fog seal on it gives you that look of a nice clean asphalt road.

644
00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:14,290
It quiets it down a bit keeps it dust down and all those costs are figured into the I think we estimate it's

645
00:51:14,290 --> 00:51:15,990
$6 per square yard

646
00:51:18,310 --> 00:51:23,410
Talking to some of the contractors, I think that's going to be on the high side, too, but again

647
00:51:24,090 --> 00:51:27,350
We actually get in and bid it out. We don't know exactly what the costs are going to be

648
00:51:29,330 --> 00:51:34,830
What are we planning on like fine-tuning these numbers I was going to say just

649
00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:59,800
Just to give some numbers, Mr. Reed, I don't know if you looked at it, but it came out like 540 award, I think, or something, was the total numbers or something, then per award I think it was 1 through 4, then 1.6 for 5 and 1.6 for 6 was the original, based on the 5.3 million that we received.

650
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,980
And then if we went up more, as the mayor was speaking, it would go to about 600,000.

651
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,140
I mean, when are we planning on fine-tuning the numbers?

652
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:18,440
You know, I think we need to, I think, look, we almost do without budget.

653
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,000
We've got work, we've got to, I want to do more workshops and I'll finalize in the budget coming up.

654
00:52:26,780 --> 00:52:28,980
I think we need to continue the path on this.

655
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,020
I'll have some numbers, maybe for Tuesday night on it.

656
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:37,600
I think Mr. Reed's talking about like hard numbers

657
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,400
compared to just the estimates on this list, which would be...

658
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,440
I would say really wouldn't know until we bit it out and got some quotes back.

659
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,900
The next step would be, these are all cost estimates that we've been looking at right now.

660
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,500
The next step would be to actually go to the design phase of it.

661
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:53,720
Okay.

662
00:52:54,060 --> 00:52:56,760
So that's where the engineering line item comes in,

663
00:52:56,780 --> 00:52:58,320
so we can go actually measure the roads,

664
00:52:58,820 --> 00:53:00,720
get hard numbers on it, look at the base repair

665
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,060
to see which ones we think.

666
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,880
We've just kind of done it across the board,

667
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,360
10% estimation on the base repair on each road.

668
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,080
So we need to go out to each road

669
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,020
and look and see how many failures that they have

670
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:10,920
that have to be cut out,

671
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,820
and that's where we'll refine those numbers.

672
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,760
But there's some field work that's required

673
00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:18,120
that'll take some time and extra effort to do that.

674
00:53:18,580 --> 00:53:20,280
So really on our part, kind of the next step

675
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,740
is to go ahead and submit that design contract

676
00:53:22,740 --> 00:53:50,140
actually doing the final design on everything. So we're gonna have to know what roads are going to be done and a ton of trees and everything and if we're going to do concrete we have to know that's separate and the same thing that he did, STL, same thing with that. So we can have accurate numbers to go out for this and try to get the best bang of all of that.

677
00:53:50,140 --> 00:53:52,140
Will the contingency fee

678
00:53:53,380 --> 00:53:57,800
Mobilization and the engineering will that percentage stay the same because right now

679
00:53:58,620 --> 00:54:02,580
We're twelve point one percent the engineering fee

680
00:54:02,580 --> 00:54:04,840
We're at eleven percent

681
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,700
for the

682
00:54:08,890 --> 00:54:10,940
The mobilization fee

683
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:18,200
And we're at no yeah, and we have ten percent for

684
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,360
are the contingency fee, except in Josh's award.

685
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:28,220
In Josh's award, we had 5% for the mobilization, 5.3%

686
00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:32,020
for the contingency, and 11% for the engineering.

687
00:54:32,420 --> 00:54:33,720
I think it's all campers' camp.

688
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:36,920
The difference is in Ward 6, there's

689
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,820
so much more quantity nearby.

690
00:54:39,140 --> 00:54:40,860
So mobilization is going to be a lot lower,

691
00:54:41,140 --> 00:54:43,220
because they don't have to move around the city

692
00:54:43,220 --> 00:54:45,180
like they're having to do in other areas.

693
00:54:46,620 --> 00:54:52,920
But if you look, you know, if you look at the contingency, it's based on 10% of the, like, what is that?

694
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,180
It all adds to itself.

695
00:54:56,540 --> 00:55:03,420
It all adds up to 10%. You know, if your contingency is 10% of the cost, you add that into it,

696
00:55:03,460 --> 00:55:12,880
then your mobilization is 10% of the contingency in it, and the engineer is 10% of the asphalt, the contingency, and the mobilization.

697
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,580
It all works out the way it's right at 10% or another.

698
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,820
Yeah, so I can award one that the total,

699
00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:24,000
subtotal for construction estimate is 114.

700
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,220
So contingency, 10% of that is 114.50.

701
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:32,280
And then you add that contingency to the subtotal for mobilization.

702
00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:39,380
And so 10% of 125 is 1250, 125.95.

703
00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:43,860
and all that's added up to get the 10% for the engineering.

704
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,900
You're coming out right on the target when you do 12.1%

705
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:54,220
when you take that subtotal of 114.503 to send Doug's award

706
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:58,620
you do 12% of it, you're coming out at 13.54.

707
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,820
Right, that's not how it's calculated on here.

708
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:06,020
It's added to 114.50 plus 12.595.

709
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,860
That total right there is 130, about 138, that's where the 10% comes from.

710
00:56:12,580 --> 00:56:15,980
So if you look at, yeah, if you want to pull that, if you pull the numbers out

711
00:56:15,980 --> 00:56:19,500
individually and compare them to the subtotal, yeah, it's going to be high percentage.

712
00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:22,340
But that's not, it's all based off of 10% for each one.

713
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,120
Which again, estimations for budget purposes, I do believe that the

714
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,220
mobilization is going to be less and I know the engineering is going to be less.

715
00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:39,180
I guess we're just getting at Jason, is that you're charging engineering fees on top of mobilization fees on top of the contingency fees?

716
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:49,400
That's all built into the contract. Contingency is, let's say we have Dunbar Avenue, we've got it figured at 650 feet or 97 tons of overlay.

717
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,880
And if it comes back to needing 125 tons, that's where the contingency fee comes in.

718
00:56:53,880 --> 00:57:09,620
I get that, but you're taking the 114.50 to 12.595, and then that added up comes in to 138, and then you're adding 10% to that number.

719
00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:14,080
Why isn't the engineering is stuck to the actual roads themselves?

720
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,720
Mobileization is part of the contract, and contingency is part of the contract.

721
00:57:18,820 --> 00:57:20,660
I know, but that has nothing to do with engineering.

722
00:57:21,460 --> 00:57:28,620
Well, if mobilization came back at, say, they did no mobilization, just this amount, everybody

723
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:33,020
wanted to pay another road in their ward, which required engineering, I think, on top of it.

724
00:57:33,060 --> 00:57:37,620
So I think it's just a safe proof to not wind up like happened last time.

725
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:44,740
I think at the end some fees wasn't all discussed up front, and then it was a big shortfall at the end.

726
00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:52,000
So your contingency is fine, your mobilization is fine, but then you're adding engineering

727
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,160
fees to mobilization and contingency.

728
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:58,700
Mobilization is always a line item in the contract.

729
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:03,980
Every contract has a mobilization line item, so it's just like a bear's paving or striping

730
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:04,780
or anything else.

731
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:05,840
Okay, I get that.

732
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:14,160
I'm saying that you got 114-503, and then you're saying that you need extra engineering

733
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:20,140
Fees for the contingency where that would come into play is in the field for the from the inspection side and the additional

734
00:58:20,140 --> 00:58:23,180
Certification for the construction side of it and

735
00:58:26,350 --> 00:58:28,090
again, those are budgeted at 10%

736
00:58:28,090 --> 00:58:34,690
But once it comes down now that we know pretty much almost a detailed or a more defined scope after this meeting tonight

737
00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:37,330
Those numbers will start fluctuating. They'll be down further

738
00:58:37,330 --> 00:58:38,250
Everybody

739
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:42,640
good with that?

740
00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:52,480
I think it's just a good fees contingent if there's no contingency. There's no engineering cost associated with it

741
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:59,400
I think the contingency, if you want to bump that down to 5% for contingency and then add

742
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,520
that back into the construction cost, well you can do that too.

743
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,880
I think the important, what I'm trying to relay is there's a lot of unknowns once you

744
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,980
get out and start paving areas, there could be more base repair than what's anticipated

745
00:59:11,980 --> 00:59:13,800
so the quantities may fluctuate.

746
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:18,600
So I don't want to think that you've got $500,000 in each bucket of money or each

747
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,920
ward and you're going to get $500,000 worth of paving.

748
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,700
A lot of that stuff needs to be looked at as the projects progress.

749
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:26,880
And

750
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:40,580
as you define it a little better, we'll know how much closer we might need to cut still from each ward.

751
00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:46,220
Why don't you get ridden out on those concrete jobs?

752
00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:52,260
Yeah, I mean that could be the first one to go.

753
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,900
Yeah, I mean he's got three streets, partial streets.

754
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:59,860
We need to verify, Mr. Reed, those streets through there.

755
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,400
We're here with Main Street, Spanish Acres, and then one of the Michael Street or whichever

756
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:04,960
one it was.

757
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:07,780
Yeah, let's look at that and see what you're over there.

758
01:00:07,780 --> 01:00:11,160
That takes about six, you don't have to do that on a six-week bid project, huh?

759
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:16,520
Well, that, if it comes in, more than likely those would be less than the $50,000. I don't

760
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:17,380
remember what we had.

761
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,480
We'd probably get quotes from that.

762
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,640
That's something that we could, yeah, we could do a quick quote package on that and

763
01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:25,240
then get that going pretty quick.

764
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:26,120
Yeah.

765
01:00:26,420 --> 01:00:28,220
You don't have to do a full bid on it because that's the difference.

766
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:31,940
I would install a main sheet this month.

767
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,820
Well, I wouldn't install a construction worker.

768
01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:37,440
That was going to start before...

769
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:37,620
Yeah.

770
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:38,660
Once crews were closed.

771
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,520
I mean, it's...

772
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,800
We're in September now, so you're going to be close.

773
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:43,580
That's where we at.

774
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:45,960
Thanks, guys, for the quick before it goes.

775
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:47,280
Well, but then you go lame.

776
01:00:47,420 --> 01:00:50,980
We're going to have to rebuild that old structure of that room.

777
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:54,700
Yeah, that's...

778
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:55,880
And that's where that base...

779
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,000
I just wanted to remind you about that,

780
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,860
because that's going to be something that contingency money

781
01:00:58,860 --> 01:01:00,420
that's going to come in this year.

782
01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:06,020
Those are some of the quantities that may fluctuate once we actually go and evaluate

783
01:01:06,020 --> 01:01:09,440
all your streets with a detailed evaluation and we'll know that.

784
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:14,420
You're not the one you're looking at maybe trying to widen that one, but I don't know

785
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:14,740
if we can...

786
01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:16,520
I'll just move back to...

787
01:01:19,220 --> 01:01:23,040
We've talked about trying to widen some of these and where you run into the issue

788
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:23,740
is the shoulder.

789
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,580
The ditches are so close to them that if you widen it, then you're going to

790
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:30,300
be having the edge of the road pretty much right in the ditch.

791
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,600
And then it's a safety standpoint, not as concerned

792
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,720
because these are low-frequency traveled roads.

793
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:38,780
But there's not a lot of support there.

794
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:40,800
And the edges start crumbling off.

795
01:01:40,940 --> 01:01:44,480
And then you end up with the same with road that you have now.

796
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,580
Another road I would like to see maybe,

797
01:01:47,620 --> 01:01:49,420
if we can do like the last time with the counting,

798
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,880
use their contract would be reserve streets.

799
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,080
I think Socracy is about to start, isn't it?

800
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:56,840
I would like to get that one done.

801
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:03,400
serve just needs that one section yes just that one 20 20 years we've been

802
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:09,360
working on that one section rude needs to be dug out probably a cover put in I

803
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,400
don't know something is there a submarine or something is there if we can get

804
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,960
with the counting we have we've worked on it since I've been 20 years I've

805
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,900
been that league and where that little guy from first section Williams yeah

806
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:23,960
I pick you in here if we can get him to come in now.

807
01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:25,300
Well, let's be dug out.

808
01:02:25,380 --> 01:02:26,180
Oh, we're going to dig it out.

809
01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:27,220
We're going to be dug out.

810
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:28,780
Something's bad in that way.

811
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:31,820
No, I'm just saying, use that $78 dollar contract.

812
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:34,700
Well, use it at 75.

813
01:02:34,820 --> 01:02:35,460
Same session.

814
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:36,860
I've got to put it on my list here.

815
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,300
Use that to do it like the last time.

816
01:02:38,420 --> 01:02:39,200
We'll just pay him back.

817
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,140
We'll take out a room bridge money and get that done

818
01:02:42,140 --> 01:02:43,280
like soon as we can.

819
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,180
We'll have it ready to go for him and all.

820
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,160
And we get taxed out.

821
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,400
So we do need to get it dug out and over there

822
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,560
or something, because that's something.

823
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:56,760
And they did dig out, Vic dug out the last two spots and now it's just between the two good spots at the last spot.

824
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:03,280
Oh, if you want to get them to do that, Comagé, will they fix that big culvert?

825
01:03:03,340 --> 01:03:09,460
Well, that's what I was talking earlier about. Mike, how can we fix it? They got two water cuts in that Comagé as well, so it's not...

826
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,260
Just overlay it or whatever, but we'd like to get that one fixed.

827
01:03:16,060 --> 01:03:18,320
Could you reach out to the county about that one too?

828
01:03:19,220 --> 01:03:19,580
Comagé?

829
01:03:19,580 --> 01:03:26,520
No reserve. Not yet. I said could you though. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

830
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,960
Put a time frame together, see when they're going to have it and everything, when they may be doing something.

831
01:03:32,380 --> 01:03:39,600
Yeah, we'll have it dug out hopefully in the next few weeks.

832
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,140
When soccer is starting, I'm going to get registration.

833
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:46,000
When they're doing advertising around there, it's the registration they'll be.

834
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,700
Yeah, I think they've started, huh?

835
01:03:48,260 --> 01:03:50,400
They're trying to get the league forming.

836
01:03:50,860 --> 01:03:51,540
They got a new board.

837
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:54,360
They started asking for sponsors.

838
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:55,280
They reached out. I know that.

839
01:03:56,100 --> 01:03:57,760
They usually start somewhere around Halloween

840
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,700
and then start playing games around Thanksgiving.

841
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,420
Okay, so we've got a little time.

842
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:04,460
I've just seen registration come out

843
01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:06,420
on my own, so...

844
01:04:06,420 --> 01:04:08,080
Okay. Good deal.

845
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:12,580
Anything else?

846
01:04:14,770 --> 01:04:15,630
Any public forum?

847
01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:16,830
Nope.

848
01:04:16,830 --> 01:04:26,280
see it anybody have any new business role business discuss yes

849
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,460
okay nothing to do

850
01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:34,100
with buying anything like that right now we are for

851
01:04:37,230 --> 01:04:42,650
short over in city hall one

852
01:04:42,650 --> 01:04:51,190
and if we can maybe use a day or so here at the utility counting maybe the

853
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:54,030
you know, get the other one trained over there as well.

854
01:04:54,670 --> 01:04:55,350
You'll end something.

855
01:04:55,810 --> 01:04:58,510
Wouldn't be, you know, anything steady,

856
01:04:58,750 --> 01:05:01,270
but it just starts on that and everything.

857
01:05:01,970 --> 01:05:02,410
This

858
01:05:06,730 --> 01:05:08,510
is, you know, part-time, 40 hours.

859
01:05:09,830 --> 01:05:12,650
So would y'all give them a run for in

860
01:05:12,650 --> 01:05:14,450
for a full-time position?

861
01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:16,010
And you'll be able to get much help.

862
01:05:16,030 --> 01:05:18,750
Yeah, it would just be a temporary right now.

863
01:05:19,030 --> 01:05:19,430
And what is it?

864
01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:20,670
We have a medical leave.

865
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:24,030
We have a FMLA with COVID.

866
01:05:26,590 --> 01:05:31,730
He was up there helping, she's going to be at the harbor filling in down there helping them out down there.

867
01:05:32,030 --> 01:05:33,630
And there's one more that's out right now.

868
01:05:33,870 --> 01:05:39,750
So we're just short on staff over there and wondering if we can just get, you know.

869
01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:45,010
Yeah, if we can, at least she wants the hours or what?

870
01:05:45,570 --> 01:05:46,310
Yeah, I don't know.

871
01:05:46,990 --> 01:05:48,610
Yeah, why don't we do that, give her some more hours?

872
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:54,510
Well, I supposed to say if we can reach out to her if she wants the hours.

873
01:05:56,690 --> 01:05:58,790
I can text her to get out of the truck.

874
01:06:00,590 --> 01:06:02,030
That's sharp as a tack, man.

875
01:06:02,970 --> 01:06:04,810
Is that something you look temporarily,

876
01:06:05,290 --> 01:06:07,410
temporarily burn rental for 40 hours a week

877
01:06:07,410 --> 01:06:08,410
just for temporary basis?

878
01:06:08,490 --> 01:06:09,330
Yeah, and she can, you know,

879
01:06:09,390 --> 01:06:11,170
she can still fill in over here as needed.

880
01:06:11,790 --> 01:06:14,550
You know, one of them is going to be four to five weeks of them.

881
01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:16,690
I don't know how long the other one may be.

882
01:06:17,130 --> 01:06:18,290
He's talking about weeks ago.

883
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:21,090
Wherever they...

884
01:06:21,090 --> 01:06:22,670
Yeah, and they can go back and forth, you know.

885
01:06:25,590 --> 01:06:25,950
You

886
01:06:28,060 --> 01:06:31,320
know, it's just filling in here, you know, it might be, you know, like,

887
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,580
I would prefer Caitlyn stay here because she's the only thing Caitlyn might need

888
01:06:35,580 --> 01:06:39,060
her in the beginning because she's already trained over the money and everything.

889
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,460
Yeah, well, we don't want to lose our Caitlyn, though, right?

890
01:06:43,620 --> 01:06:44,340
We won't.

891
01:06:44,660 --> 01:06:48,380
Yeah, we'll bring something to you tonight, just, you know, maybe look at it and I'll

892
01:06:48,380 --> 01:06:50,900
try to get over there and talk to everybody and see what we've got.

893
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:54,540
Have you thought of somebody else with it? Maybe the building department to help with

894
01:06:55,780 --> 01:06:56,660
site review

895
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,840
Not site reviews. I was thinking

896
01:07:00,220 --> 01:07:02,760
Answering the phone and that kind of stuff doing

897
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,800
Need somebody else for doing site plan

898
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:09,900
Like three or four weeks up

899
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:14,620
Certified city planner

900
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,120
They pretty well caught up

901
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:30,580
I mean go somewhere else and see how long it takes I mean, you know, we are you know Jerry and him backed up some but I mean they getting it done

902
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:40,000
But they've got no on them and they are they pretty well caught up. I don't think two to three weeks is you know

903
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,340
I was born in Ariane, anyway.

904
01:07:41,580 --> 01:07:42,700
I think Ariane could use him now.

905
01:07:43,660 --> 01:07:45,140
Right now, I see that's the other thing.

906
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,360
Ariane works accounting, too, but right now,

907
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,720
we've got licenses coming in, renewals, and everything.

908
01:07:50,060 --> 01:07:52,680
That's something to tell them how bad she can be backed up.

909
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,880
And just everything right now is falling at the same time.

910
01:08:01,590 --> 01:08:03,690
People out there working hard and doing a great job.

911
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,880
We got behind when Ricky was out with his house.

912
01:08:11,740 --> 01:08:13,380
He had taken some time off trying

913
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:15,240
to get with him, and he was fooling with the termites

914
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:16,540
and all rebuilding his house.

915
01:08:16,980 --> 01:08:18,280
So they got a little behind him.

916
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:23,800
and they were caught up before that and they're pretty close to being caught up again from what you're saying.

917
01:08:28,730 --> 01:08:29,270
Okay.

918
01:08:30,450 --> 01:08:32,470
Is MML going to still be this much?

919
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:35,090
Are they cancel it or move it back or what?

920
01:08:35,950 --> 01:08:36,670
What's that?

921
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:37,370
MML.

922
01:08:40,020 --> 01:08:40,840
Uh-huh.

923
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:42,080
No, it's canceled.

924
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:43,240
It's canceled.

925
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:43,880
Yeah.

926
01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:50,380
Congratulations to Larry, Smith, and Mike Fawrd.

927
01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:50,960
They're graduating.

928
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,340
Larry's graduating.

929
01:08:55,340 --> 01:09:02,900
and Mike's basic. Mike's basic and Mike's advanced. Congratulations. Good deal.

930
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,500
Good deal. Good. All

931
01:09:13,780 --> 01:09:26,500
right. Will you know something for next council meeting? Yeah, I hope to have some numbers that give us time to look at these numbers here again and see what we can possibly get.

932
01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:28,860
Yeah, they gave us the estimated interest rate. Yeah

933
01:09:29,780 --> 01:09:35,720
Working on that as well, you know, he thinks anything's with them come out better than we was a month

934
01:09:36,980 --> 01:09:42,520
Okay, good. I do know I think I sent to Jason. You know, we're looking at that

935
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:46,360
Two projects to DEQ

936
01:09:46,940 --> 01:09:49,480
this station one that area and

937
01:09:50,580 --> 01:09:52,020
then by our

938
01:09:52,020 --> 01:09:53,000
Espionade

939
01:09:55,540 --> 01:09:59,220
Replacing that one in an upgrade on station one

940
01:09:59,940 --> 01:10:01,780
think the match is somewhere

941
01:10:02,940 --> 01:10:03,500
180

942
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:10,940
Yeah, close to two hundred thousand dollars for match for those right there. We do we did talk about it

943
01:10:10,940 --> 01:10:15,380
You know through the budget and everything right now. They have a home and we do have the money

944
01:10:15,380 --> 01:10:18,620
You know until right now there's a grant out there

945
01:10:18,620 --> 01:10:21,660
I think it's 0.8% loan or something like that.

946
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:23,800
Yeah.

947
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,100
So when we get a little more information,

948
01:10:29,300 --> 01:10:30,080
we'll bring that back.

949
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,500
Is it worth spending cash for?

950
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,600
Or is it, you know, 0.8%?

951
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,160
Almost nothing on a 20-year loan.

952
01:10:39,820 --> 01:10:41,920
Something we look at when we get closer on that.

953
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:42,980
How much is that going to be?

954
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:45,540
Yeah.

955
01:10:46,180 --> 01:10:49,500
Probably, for both projects, about $1.5 million.

956
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:54,560
Sunset line is about a little over a million dollars to replace and relay that one.

957
01:10:54,860 --> 01:10:59,780
And then lift station one is close to about half a million dollars to provide the pumps and new piping

958
01:10:59,780 --> 01:11:01,360
and reroute a force main coming up.

959
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,660
Are those the ones that get a lot of water intrusion drainage?

960
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,260
Yeah, the main problem with lift station one is that there's a power outage

961
01:11:10,260 --> 01:11:12,700
and the single pump can't keep up.

962
01:11:13,260 --> 01:11:17,300
So we want to re-pipe, put an external suction lift pump on the outside of the wet well

963
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:20,580
And in that way, we basically got three pumps running at all times.

964
01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:31,350
On the other thing, money has been released from Tideland and everything.

965
01:11:31,710 --> 01:11:35,790
We're back on board with that spending, so we'll get back on 603.

966
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:42,410
The boat launch out there received information this week that we can start back on that.

967
01:11:43,230 --> 01:11:47,990
Good thing with the Harbor project and everything going on down there that we use county funds for that.

968
01:11:48,630 --> 01:12:05,110
We made some funds that they'd given us so we was able to continue working through this time and everything with Dan didn't have to postpone anywhere with Dan possibly causing more expenses with the mobilization in and out of there.

969
01:12:06,230 --> 01:12:11,130
Hopefully we'll get back on 603 on the boat launch and start getting it ready.

970
01:12:11,130 --> 01:12:17,060
Good fast-track yeah only four months late now

971
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,640
Todd might work on our fave when we do the job

972
01:12:23,220 --> 01:12:24,940
Yeah be low tide months

973
01:12:29,060 --> 01:12:31,760
Anybody have anything else good

974
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,120
Motion to adjourn motion motion Smith

975
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,520
Second seal vote the motion

976
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:43,920
All right, all right.

977
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:45,980
Paisus, thank you all.

978
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:47,960
Thank you, Jason.

979
01:12:48,260 --> 01:12:48,680
Thank you, Mike.