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. >> all
. >> all right. Let's do this.
>> all right. Let's do this. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
let's do this. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. >> and if you please stand for
welcome, ladies and gentlemen. >> and if you please stand for the prayer in the pledge now
your heads please father god,
we come to you and we just are
so thankful for this day.
First of all, we are thankful
for the beautiful weather that
first of all, we are thankful for the beautiful weather that you've given us in
this
first of all, we are thankful for the beautiful weather that you've given us in this
glorious sunshine that we will
all live under today.
Father, we just ask that you
put your hands upon each and
father, we just ask that you put your hands upon each and every one of us and continue to
bless us and you continue to
bless this county.
Father, we ask that you instill
your will in each one of us
father, we ask that you instill your will in each one of us that sit up here so that we
make decisions that are in the
benefit of all citizens of
marion county.
And father, we just thank you
that we live in marion county
and father, we just thank you that we live in marion county where we are able to come
together and we're able to do
the work for the citizens of
this county in your name and
that you continue to bless each
and every one of us.
Please watch over our first
responders as they go about
please watch over our first responders as they go about their daily business and watch
over our service men and women
here and abroad in the lord
jesus name we pray.
>> amen.
jesus name we pray. >> amen. And as we just do the flag of
the united states of america
and as we just do the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which
it stands one nation under god,
indivisible with liberty and
justice for
it stands one nation under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all
.
. >>
. >> good
. >> good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
Madam clerk, if you'll call the
roll.
madam clerk, if you'll call the roll. Yes, sir.
Chairman zalak, your vice
yes, sir. Chairman zalak, your vice chairman mcclain here.
chairman zalak, your vice chairman mcclain here. Commissioner curry?
chairman zalak, your vice chairman mcclain here. Commissioner curry?-
chairman zalak, your vice chairman mcclain here. Yeah.ssioner curry?-
commissioner bryant here.
yeah.ssioner curry?- commissioner bryant here. Commissioner stone.
>> you're all right.
commissioner stone. >> you're all right. So we can have our meeting.
Everyone, just a reminder if
so we can have our meeting. Everyone, just a reminder if you would please take out your
everyone, just a reminder if you would please take out your cell phone and any other
devices that ring or do
anything funky and please put
them on silence.
If you have to take a phone
call, please go outside to take
if you have to take a phone call, please go outside to take that.
If not please come to the
podium so we can all
if not please come to the podium so we can all participate.
Today we have our regular
scheduled board of county
today we have our regular scheduled board of county commissioners meeting.
At 150 we have our c.r.a.
Community redevelopment agency
at 150 we have our c.r.a. Community redevelopment agency meeting.
community redevelopment agency meeting. At 2:00 today we'll have our
regularly scheduled third
at 2:00 today we'll have our regularly scheduled third tuesday of every month planning
and zoning meeting and hen
tomorrow at 130 we ill have
our ext regularly scheduled
wednesday planning and zoning
meeting with that
commissioners.
We have a couple of
proclamations and to go so
we have a couple of proclamations and to go so moved I have a motion by
commissioner bryant second by
commissioner curry.
All those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed that
all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passes unanimously.
You throw me around front.
>> commissioner mcclain will
you throw me around front. >> commissioner mcclain will present engineering we all the
engineers come on up.
Look at all these people
engineers come on up. Look at all these people beautiful.
look at all these people beautiful. Thank you.
Thanks for
beautiful. Thank you. Thanks for being in.
thank you. Thanks for being in. Good morning.
thanks for being in. Good morning. Good morning.
good morning. Good morning. >> good morning.
good morning. >> good morning. Morning.
Marcus is here in the morning.
morning. Marcus is here in the morning. >> and he wins attorneys week.
marcus is here in the morning. >> and he wins attorneys week. >> yeah, whatever that is.
You know there should be man, I
wish I could be your public
you know there should be man, I wish I could be your public comment.
You come up
wish I could be your public comment. You come up and.
Good morning.
you come up and. Good morning. Hey, how are you?
good morning. Hey, how are you? Good morning.
hey, how are you? Good morning. How are you?
good morning. How are you? Yeah.
how are you? Yeah. Good
how are you? Yeah. Good morning.
yeah. Good morning. Hey, good morning.
good morning. Hey, good morning. How are you?
hey, good morning. How are you? These are great until the
how are you? These are great until the engineers are on journeys.
these are great until the engineers are on journeys. >> yeah.
That's awesome.
Pretty darn
>> yeah. That's awesome. Pretty darn good.
that's awesome. Pretty darn good. You guys need a lot more.
pretty darn good. You guys need a lot more. Need to bring her in.
you guys need a lot more. Need to bring her in. I'm going to go.
need to bring her in. I'm going to go. >> very good.
Here you all get on in there
for you.
here you all get on in there for you. >> all right.
Well, good morning, everyone.
Thank you for being here with
well, good morning, everyone. Thank you for being here with us.
thank you for being here with us. I keep forgetting mike mccain's
an engineer.
That's the you know, university
of florida engineer got here.
that's the you know, university of florida engineer got here. All right.
Well, thank you all for joining
all right. Well, thank you all for joining us today.
well, thank you all for joining us today. Let me present this
proclamation from the board of
let me present this proclamation from the board of county commissioners.
Says whereas national engineers
week founded in 1951 by the
says whereas national engineers week founded in 1951 by the national society of
professional engineers is
always celebrated at the
time of george washington's
birthday in february because he
was our first president and
military engineer.
And.
Whereas, professional engineers
and. Whereas, professional engineers make significant contributions
whereas, professional engineers make significant contributions to improve and support our
quality of life in marion
county through innovative and
creative solutions to technical
problems.
And.
problems. And. Wereas, professional engineers
and. Wereas, professional engineers hold considerable
wereas, professional engineers hold considerable responsibilities for the
benefit and protection of
marion county citizens and the
areas of public safety, health,
welfare, the environment,
transportation, water power and
communications as well
as mechanical electrical and
electronic devices important to
everyday life.
And.
Whereas, engineers are
and. Whereas, engineers are encouraging our young math and
whereas, engineers are encouraging our young math and science students to realize the
practical power of their
knowledge.
And.
knowledge. And. Whereas, the purpose of
and. Whereas, the purpose of national engineers week is to
whereas, the purpose of national engineers week is to increase public awareness and
appreciation of the engineering
profession.
And.
profession. And. Whereas, the 2026 national
and. Whereas, the 2026 national engineers week theme transform
whereas, the 2026 national engineers week theme transform your future is a powerful
reminder that engineering
shapes our opportunities, our
communities and the futures we
can imagine for ourselves and
for our children.
Now therefore the board of
county commissioners of marion
now therefore the board of county commissioners of marion county, florida by virtue of
the authority vested in us do
hereby proclaim february 22nd
through february 28th 2026 be
known as the engineers week
duly proclaimed the 17th day of
february 2026, signed by all
five county commissioners and
attested to by greg harrell,
our clerk of the court.
So I want to first want to
thank all of you for all that
so I want to first want to thank all of you for all that you do in the community, all
that you do for our county.
We have so many talented people
in all areas with our
we have so many talented people in all areas with our stakeholders in the county.
Our folks here even in our
administration we have a number
our folks here even in our administration we have a number of engineers.
You uys help.
You guys are the problem
you uys help. You guys are the problem solvers for this community and
you guys are the problem solvers for this community and we depend on you for a lot.
So thank you very much for all
that you do.
so thank you very much for all that you do. >> yes.
Well thank you so
much.
that you do. >> yes. Well thank you so much.
We appreciate t.
well thank you so much. We appreciate t. We are here on behalf of
we appreciate t. We are here on behalf of florida engineering society and
we are here on behalf of florida engineering society and we are here to, you know,
promote the advancement for and
advocate for the engineering
profession we have a couple of
stem outreach programs coming
up shortly that I just want to
do a quick shout out for which
is mouth the counts which is
february 21st and that is for
middle school students.
And then we also have
engineering day march 7th.
and then we also have engineering day march 7th. >> so we really hope to see
more young professionals out
there and bring them into the
community and e appreciate
that.
>> thank you.
Wonderful.
Right.
wonderful. Right. Thank you very an engineering
right. Thank you very an engineering thing.
thank you very an engineering thing. >>
thing. >> yeah.
thank you very an engineering thing. >> yeah.
Yeah.
At the discovery center.
yeah. At the discovery center. >> so you had a you had a
at the discovery center. >> so you had a you had a question.
You're ready for the discovery
center?
you're ready for the discovery center? Oh yeah.
>> at the discovery center is
oh yeah. >> at the discovery center is engineering day and it's a
really cool activity for
students of all ages to come
and we do egg drops rom
dfferent heights and they have
to protect that egg and then
water filtration systems and
it's a cool engaging activity
for you know, children to to
learn a little bit of
engineering that's great.
>> let's give all of our
engineering professionals
another round of applause
please.
>> thank
another round of applause please. >> thank you.
please. >> thank you. You
you
all.
all. I
all. I was
all. I was there
all. I was there there I
all. I was there there I know you have you all are proud of you I
guess problem solvers.
Yeah, I know I didn't yeah yeah
guess problem solvers. Yeah, I know I didn't yeah yeah right yeah I know
guess problem solvers. Yeah, I know I didn't yeah yeah right yeah I know I
yeah, I know I didn't yeah yeah right yeah I know I
I
I let's
I let's bring the
I let's bring the curry difference in had me so sidebar sidebar turn that tile.
All right we have next we have
public comment mr. Walker is
all right we have next we have public comment mr. Walker is signed up for five minutes to
talk about item nine one update
on various road projects.
Mr. Walker, I'm not here and
you signed up.
mr. Walker, I'm not here and you signed up. >> okay.
Wow.
Hurry up.
wow. Hurry up. Move on.
hurry up. Move on. Oh, all right.
move on. Oh, all right. >> anybody else in the public
oh, all right. >> anybody else in the public like to speak on one of the
agenda items are seeing none.
Fantastic.
We'll bring it back to the
fantastic. We'll bring it back to the board.
we'll bring it back to the board. >> we have five sets of
minutes, commissioners so moved
have a motion ith the minutes
by commissioner bryant second
by commissioner stone.
All those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed that
all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passed unanimously have no
constitutional officers mr.
Clerk good morning, sir.
>> good morning, mr. Chair.
clerk good morning, sir. >> good morning, mr. Chair. Good
morning.
clerk good morning, sir. >> good morning, mr. Chair. Good morning.
Board have for the board's
good morning. Board have for the board's consideration and adoption
board have for the board's consideration and adoption budget amendment resolution
items 511 through 516 would
point out that item 513 relates
to consent agenda item 764.
>> kay commissioners, would
you like to pull anything?
Okay.
All right.
okay. All right. I'm in motion for the consent
all right. I'm in motion for the consent here.
>> sure.
Does anybody want to pull 764?
No, no.
does anybody want to pull 764? No, no. All right, I'll move up.
no, no. All right, I'll move up. Seven, six four as well
all right, I'll move up. Seven, six four as well as 511351 six a motion by
seven, six four as well as 511351 six a motion by commissioner bryant second by
commissioner curry.
All those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed I passed
all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed I passed unanimously as for making it
easy for me today thank you.
>> thank you, mr. Chair.
Item 521 is a project
adjustment request related to
item 521 is a project adjustment request related to the infrastructure surtax
capital project fund.
>> all right, excellent update
the sales tax so moved on
second motion by
commissioner bryant second by
commissioner mcclain.
All those in favor signify by
saying I any opposed that
all those in favor signify by saying I any opposed that passes unanimously s well.
>> all right.
Finally, mr. Chair item 31
which is a request for
finally, mr. Chair item 31 which is a request for disposition of miscellaneous
property by commissioners any
questions on the property to
approve?
I have a motion approved by
commissioner curry second by
commissioner stone.
All those in favor signify by
saying I any opposed that
all those in favor signify by saying I any opposed that passes unanimously.
All right.
Questions we're going to move
all right. Questions we're going to move on consent.
questions we're going to move on consent. Commissioner stone I have
nothing all my questions got
commissioner stone I have nothing all my questions got answered as late s even this
morning.
>> so thank you.
Perfect.
Commissioner bryant, I have
perfect. Commissioner bryant, I have nothing.
commissioner bryant, I have nothing. >> I just will make one note.
I'm really glad to see and we
already passed it ut 764.
Yeah.
Finally.
yeah. Finally. Okay, good.
finally. Okay, good. Yeah.
okay, good. Yeah. No, that's been a long
yeah. No, that's been a long time coming.
no, that's been a long time coming. Yes.
>> all right.
yes. >> all right. Any other questions or
comments?
any other questions or comments?
any other questions or comments? Commissioner curry good.
>> no question.
commissioner curry good. >> no question. Mclane we do have a couple of
revisions on 732751 eight one
mclane we do have a couple of revisions on 732751 eight one a a walk on and eight two is a
walk on by the county attorney
so commissioners in regards to
the revisions any questions or
issues mounir just let's
go over those revisions real
quick please.
>> 732 commissioners that's the
county state housing initiative
partnership but the revision on
page eight section h one in
page ten section eight one to
include priority will be given
to families who wish to reside
in an unincorporated arion
county.
>> okay, excellent.
That's the addition we added to
the plan.
that's the addition we added to the plan. Thank you for fixing that.
>> sure appreciate you and
thank you for fixing that. >> sure appreciate you and seven five one it's the letter
of engagement with the trust
for public land.
We are adding that regional
parks would be the focus of
we are adding that regional parks would be the focus of that study to we clarify in
parks and recreation to be at
the regional level.
>> yeah ommissioners I know
that we had that conversation
already and I just wanted even
our letter to be on notice that
we're focused on regional
parks.
If we're talking about parks at
all in that egard.
if we're talking about parks at all in that egard. >> so any other questions or
comments on those?
All right.
Or good to its core,
all right. Or good to its core, can we move them ll in the
or good to its core, can we move them ll in the consent agenda with the
revisions?
All right.
Commissioners will take a
all right. Commissioners will take a motion if you guys are
commissioners will take a motion if you guys are prepared.
>> so I moved have a motion to
move the consent agenda with
the revisions by
commissioner stone or seconded
by commissioner curry.
All those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed that
all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passed unanimously.
All right, r. Attorney, we've
got a couple of walk ons from
all right, r. Attorney, we've got a couple of walk ons from you, sir.
Cmmissioners, I need a motion
to accept both these walk ons I
cmmissioners, I need a motion to accept both these walk ons I moved second motion to consider
by commissioner mcclain, second
by commissioner bryant.
All those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed passes
all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed passes unanimously.
>> all right, mr. Minter.
Good morning, mr. Chair.
>> item 8.1 relates o a board
good morning, mr. Chair. >> item 8.1 relates o a board decision back in december of
last year denying a small scale
plan amendment that had a
concurrent result owning for a
period attached to t for a
property off of southwest 80th
street and southwest 72nd
court.
So he board denied that
application and for the small
so he board denied that application and for the small scale amendment and then the
property owner withdrew the
rezoning because they needed
the complaint amendment for the
rezoning.
Subsequent to that in january
of this year the applicant ms.
subsequent to that in january of this year the applicant ms. Campos only through her
attorney mr. Roper in orlando
campos only through her attorney mr. Roper in orlando filed a request for a mediation
and I flew her hearing.
We're becoming more familiar
with those things lately and
we're becoming more familiar with those things lately and among other things that would
call for a mediation process
that could take a day of board
a board member and staff
time to go through that in lieu
of that and discussions with
attorney roper, we've subject
to the board's approval of
course agreed that we would I
would recommend to the board
that the board allow this as a
way to be able to bring her
application potentially with
modifications back before the
normal 12 month period that you
usually have to wait and then
that would come before the
board.
This this agreement makes no
commitment whatsoever that the
this this agreement makes no commitment whatsoever that the board would approve any new
application for ms. Campos
okay.
But this is in lieu of the the
florida proceeding.
but this is in lieu of the the florida proceeding. One of the outcome potential
outcomes of the polluter
one of the outcome potential outcomes of the polluter proceeding is that it might end
up coming back before the board
anyway.
So it's the thought of mr.
Roper and myself that this
so it's the thought of mr. Roper and myself that this might save all the parties
roper and myself that this might save all the parties concerned some time and
attorney fees.
>> so my recommendation is the
board allow this if the board
agrees with this then at the
next board meeting I would
bring a very brief agreement
signed by both parties back to
the board itemizing these
items.
>> mr. Mitchell the reason
you're considering this is
because there's some
technicality otherwise we
wouldn't bring these back in
before 12 months, correct?
>> normally, right.
Yeah.
There was an issue with he
yeah. There was an issue with he notice in the application last
there was an issue with he notice in the application last time, you know otherwise we
wouldn't consider it within a
year.
Commissioners, if you remember
this this is the one that we
commissioners, if you remember this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that
intersection especially but was
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that intersection especially but was-
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that there ection especially but was-
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that there mr. On especially but was-
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that there mr. Chairman ally but was-
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that there mr. Chairman mr. But was-
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that there mr. Chairman mr. Mr.t was-
minter was there a reason that
we had to do this on a walk on
and it couldn't have just come
to us in our agenda in march?
>> well again I think here's a
thought that we're trying to do
this as expeditiously
as possible to give her an
opportunity to go ahead and
bring this back within six
months.
So that was the rather just the
timing issue our
so that was the rather just the timing issue our commissioners any other
questions anyone in the public
want to comment about bringing
this hearing back?
>> yes, mr. Little please.
>> yes, bernie little 4899
northwest 90th avenue, ocala.
It's a walk on item and so I
don't I wasn't aware of it.
it's a walk on item and so I don't I wasn't aware of it. It's not on the current agenda
for the county right.
it's not on the current agenda for the county right. Will these documents be posted
to where someone like me
will these documents be posted to where someone like me can look at them publicly?
>> we're talking about the walk
on item or are we talking about
the walk on this particular
walk on item?
I just checked again, it's not
on the current agenda for this
morning so if I assume they're
public record and if they are a
copy of there you go right
here.
Well thank you so much.
>> I'm happy to give it to
well thank you so much. >> I'm happy to give it to simone or this this does get
updated.
When does it get updated and
how does it work?
when does it get updated and how does it work? We will we will post them with
the after agenda material and
we will we will post them with the after agenda material and then they will be this item
will be on the next agenda.
>> was all the information
you're discussing today and and
there will be an additional
agreement from mr. Minter
bringing it to you for
approval.
>> okay.
Hopefully that makes sense.
Mr. Little any other questions
hopefully that makes sense. Mr. Little any other questions or comments?
mr. Little any other questions or comments? >> all right.
So you know, we'll bring it
back to the board
so you know, we'll bring it back to the board commissioners.
So mr. Chair, before we make a
motion but I would just like to
so mr. Chair, before we make a motion but I would just like to say this on something like this
I think it's important when it
comes to the public and it's a
decision that we've already
made that it could possibly be
coming back to us and the
decision could be changed that
these don't come to us in a
walk on unless it's absolutely
necessary.
You know, in light of mr.
Little's comments, the ublic
you know, in light of mr. Little's comments, the ublic has no idea that this is going
little's comments, the ublic has no idea that this is going on.
So they've had no opportunity
to come out and give any input
so they've had no opportunity to come out and give any input on this and I understand that
it's all being done on a
technicality.
But unless this was super
time sensitive, I really
but unless this was super time sensitive, I really believe that these items should
be on a published agenda.
>> I don't disagree.
I mean we aren't going to
republish it though and have an
entire public hearing on it.
So I mean yeah I, I, I
understand your sentiments
so I mean yeah I, I, I understand your sentiments though and I understand mr.
Little sentiment so we will
publish them and make them part
little sentiment so we will publish them and make them part of the agenda.
>> so thank you
commissioner bryant as always.
So any other concerns or are
you okay to move this forward?
so any other concerns or are you okay to move this forward? >> I'll make a motion to
approve the agreement waiving
the 12 month limitation for
refiling of this application.
>> thank you commissioner stone
have a motion to approve second
by commissioner mcclain.
All those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed that
all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passed unanimously.
So please make sure that these
get on the updated agenda.
so please make sure that these get on the updated agenda. Thank you, sir.
>> yes, sir.
thank you, sir. >> yes, sir. All right.
We also have the second item,
all right. We also have the second item, mr. Minter yes.
we also have the second item, mr. Minter yes. >> the board will recall that
back in november of 25 mr.
Jason roberts, the ceo of upper
communities made a presentation
jason roberts, the ceo of upper communities made a presentation to the board regarding his
firm's proposal a very unique
proposal to provide affordable
housing for essential
workforce
firm's proposal a very unique proposal to provide affordable housing for essential workforce
for government agencies
including potentially marion
county employee city of ocala
employees, marion county public
school and marion county
sheriff's office employees and
this would be a a unique
project that among other things
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique project that among other things-
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique would t that among other things-
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique would provide mong other things-
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique would provide for other things-
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique would provide for marion things-
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique would provide for marion county-
to own the tract of land and
then there would be a master
lease agreement between marion
county and the developer.
The developer would develop
several hundred a single family
the developer would develop several hundred a single family homes, single family and or
potentially multifamily homes
that would have the benefit of
lower than normal arket rates
for rentals for qualifying
public employees the idea being
that this would address the
dual needs of public agencies
both for attracting
new
that this would address the dual needs of public agencies both for attracting new
employees because of the need
for affordable housing and also
retaining employees that we
already have for the same
reason.
So it's a very interesting
proposal.
so it's a very interesting proposal. The same company currently has
a project that they're working
the same company currently has a project that they're working through the details on up in
franklin county a little bit
different than us but at this
point all I'm asking for from
the board is consensus is for
us to continue our due
diligence review of this.
That was a request of upward
communities they have a council
that was a request of upward communities they have a council with gray robinson in orlando
and also their bond counsel up
in tallahassee, brian miller
and have and we're going to be
having a subsequent meeting
when I say we chris traver, our
bond counsel and myself and
representatives from the
clerk's office this coming
friday to continue to evaluate
the aspects of the financing.
Of course our objective in this
is to look at it from every
of course our objective in this is to look at it from every possible angle and determine
that this would be safe for the
board of county
commissioners to enter into
such a deal.
It would be kind of somewhat
similar to a conduit financing
it would be kind of somewhat similar to a conduit financing that we enter into with
industrial revenue bonds.
So generally speaking the board
would not have direct liability
so generally speaking the board would not have direct liability on any of the bonds that would
be used to finance it.
But we want to make sure that
the board wouldn't be exposed
but we want to make sure that the board wouldn't be exposed to any indirect negative
impacts on our financial
statement as a result of the
project.
So again we've been working
aong in discussions both in
so again we've been working aong in discussions both in person with representative from
upwork communities and munir's
office and online zoom calls
with their representatives and
we're just asking for their
benefit.
They want to know that the
board is really has an interest
they want to know that the board is really has an interest in this and that's so I'm
asking for today
commissioners any questions
asking for today commissioners any questions comments yeah I mean yeah I'm
still very interested to to
see
commissioners any questions comments yeah I mean yeah I'm still very interested to to see
the process through and to see
what the possibility of doing
that is.
I think there's a significant
benefit that that could that
could be for for the county and
for our staff and employees and
I think it's a great idea.
>> so I'd like to see it
continue doesn't mean we have
to do it but I'd like to see
the process through.
>> right.
I feel the same way.
I mean good opportunity but
as I we had a conversation
previously mr. Minter I want to
make sure that the county and
the taxpayers are very
protected.
You know, just like when we
kind of did the landfill deal,
you know, just like when we kind of did the landfill deal, I want to make sure at the end
of it that worst case scenario
and we know exactly what that
is and taxpayers don't lose.
Right?
I mean I think the court will
right? I mean I think the court will make sure that that happens
between all of us.
I think we're we're in good
shape so long as we can all
come to some kind of agreement.
>> mr. Kirk, I just wanted to
see if the clerk had any if you
had any involvement of this
since the last.
Yes and certainly the finance
team under.
yes and certainly the finance team under. Ms. Cole and myself we've had
conversations with mr. Minter,
ms. Cole and myself we've had conversations with mr. Minter, mr. Traver, you know mr.
Minter
ms. Cole and myself we've had conversations with mr. Minter, mr. Traver, you know mr. Minter
and it's typical way very well.
And so ust wanting to continue
those discussions more than
and so ust wanting to continue those discussions more than anything I think the concern is
how what the actual documents
would look like and say and how
that would translate to what
would be on the county's books
as far s potential liability
and long term debt obligations
.
>> yeah.
Would it affect our bonding in
the future those kind of
would it affect our bonding in the future those kind of questions right.
They're all great questions
that we need to know at least
they're all great questions that we need to know at least if we yeah and just as an aside
commissioner curry, I would say
to you know I think you know
as the discussion goes forward
if the sort of methodology nd
approach looks sound you know I
think it's worth having an
honest conversation for you all
amongst yourselves and with
each other at meetings.
>> you know there is sort of
the national narrative of a
need for public housing.
I will say at least in my own
experience part of the growth
we're experiencing here in
marion county is still relative
to other places even in the
state, much less he country.
We're actually in pretty good
shape.
we're actually in pretty good shape. I mean I keep getting new
employees from south florida
because they're moving up here
because it's more affordable to
buy housing here.
So I think, you know, before
you get too far down the road
so I think, you know, before you get too far down the road of does the financial package
make sense, it's like is that
something you really want to
commit to or not?
>> your question thank you, mr.
Craig well, you know the only
originally I think the big
craig well, you know the only originally I think the big concern from the commission was
that it was looking like we
were going to encumber upwards
of $200 million of bonding but
that doesn't seem to be the
case.
>> yeah, I think you know all
that remains to be seen.
We certainly we've heard
representations from their
we certainly we've heard representations from their principal that it wouldn't be
the case but it's still a
fairly novel concept that's
still being worked out in its
first iterations elsewhere.
So it's not in my opinion sort
of a tried and true proven
so it's not in my opinion sort of a tried and true proven approach yet it's not to say
can't work or you can't get
there but there's definitely
some lingering concern about
you know, somebody is going to
be on the hook and it's most
likely the county that kind of
money in that scope project
isn't done without somebody
ultimately being on the hook
for it.
>> great questions.
Commissioner curry anyone else
real good with your staff?
commissioner curry anyone else real good with your staff? >> well, I mean I think we've
all said about the same thing
and I don't think our position
has changed.
W're very interested but again
we are not willing to encumber
w're very interested but again we are not willing to encumber our our borrowing abilities and
bonding abilities in the future
.
>> yeah, I mean I think listen
until until there's a
documentation I don't think
anyone's changed their mind
right until we can evaluate the
actual deal there's no deal in
front of us at this point.
We need to figure that part out
and then once once the deal
we need to figure that part out and then once once the deal comes to us and we get a draft
paper document then we
can actually make it we
can actually start to make some
decisions until then we're
interested.
So I'm not guidance that's good
.
so I'm not guidance that's good . All right.
Any anyone of the public you
all right. Any anyone of the public you heard our discussion anyone in
any anyone of the public you heard our discussion anyone in the public would like to
comment.
This is a walk on item thing.
None.
this is a walk on item thing. None. We'll bring it back to the
none. We'll bring it back to the board is all you needed was
we'll bring it back to the board is all you needed was consensus.
>> yeah.
All right.
>> excellent.
all right. >> excellent. Anything else, mr. Attorney?
No, thank you.
anything else, mr. Attorney? No, thank you. No story?
no, thank you. No story? >> no.
no story? >> no. All right.
We'll move on to the stories of
all right. We'll move on to the stories of our county administrator.
we'll move on to the stories of our county administrator. >> good morning.
Good morning, commissioners.
>> and the story for you today
good morning, commissioners. >> and the story for you today is an update on our road
projects.
Excellent.
projects. Excellent. >> favorite story ur favorite
excellent. >> favorite story ur favorite story.
Good morning.
Stephen kane, county engineer.
good morning. Stephen kane, county engineer. I'm here to present the
stephen kane, county engineer. I'm here to present the february 2026 update.
Just a reminder for the public
to this is just a snapshot of
just a reminder for the public to this is just a snapshot of what we've got going on in the
county.
If you o to the agenda you
can download the map of some of
if you o to the agenda you can download the map of some of our highest priority projects
as well as more information on
numerous projects throughout
the county.
With that I'll go right into
the presentation.
with that I'll go right into the presentation. I wanted to highlight the
southwest 40th the 49th avenue
phase one project as well lots
o work going on right now
southwest 60 street 66th street
intersection improvement phase
one detour is an acted.
We're also improving upon that
detour.
we're also improving upon that detour. So we did get some citizen
concerns.
so we did get some citizen concerns. The phase two detour is
expected to have portable
the phase two detour is expected to have portable changeable message boards on
200 with some of the confusion
we heard from the community
we're going to go ahead move
forward with that in our phase
one so our teams are out there
putting some of those message
boards out today on 200
coordinating with dot as well
as the contractor to try to get
some additional information out
to the community.
Aso finding ways to improve
coordination, other ways we
aso finding ways to improve coordination, other ways we were meeting with numerous
entities throughout the county
giving presentations last night
my deputy county engineer was
giving a presentation to a
group as well.
>> this detour is expected to
be complete without signage on
200 and what is that?
It's 80th right?
Tat is that right steven I'm
it's 80th right? Tat is that right steven I'm sorry on 80th itself I don't
tat is that right steven I'm sorry on 80th itself I don't believe there's any signage on
.
We need signage there.
Right.
we need signage there. Right. So at least put it there.
right. So at least put it there. So when people hit 80th they
so at least put it there. So when people hit 80th they know the detour for the bridge.
so when people hit 80th they know the detour for the bridge. We need something they're
saying hey, this is the way you
we need something they're saying hey, this is the way you should go instead of making
people go like we talked about
all the way down to 66 right or
60th going all the way down all
the way back around back to
80th and then down like that's
so annoying.
>> it is and I get it if you
already hit it but if you
haven't hit it yet and you're
coming from there we need to be
warning people like we talked
about all the way down 200 hey
the bridge has a detour right?
Fastest way there or whatever
you want to say.
fastest way there or whatever you want to say. Yep.
Need to be turning on trying to
yep. Need to be turning on trying to divert as much traffic on 80th
need to be turning on trying to divert as much traffic on 80th as we can.
>> I'll bring that back to the
team this morning for the phase
one and see what we can do in
coordination with d.o.t.
As well to get all that taken
care of.
as well to get all that taken care of. The city did approve the left
turn lane extension at 42nd or
the city did approve the left turn lane extension at 42nd or 43rd street and 40th avenue and
then the design is underway for
the dual lefts at 27 as well
as the extension for the
westbound left turn lane
southwest 80th avenue segment
one.
So with today's approval of
these various agreements we'll
so with today's approval of these various agreements we'll be able to move forward with
the construction activities.
We're reviewing the schedule
right now, the cpm schedule.
we're reviewing the schedule right now, the cpm schedule. There's a lot of back and forth
with the contractor identifying
there's a lot of back and forth with the contractor identifying what is the critical path.
We all agree to that.
Then we move forward with the
we all agree to that. Then we move forward with the pre con and ultimately
then we move forward with the pre con and ultimately construction we're looking at
around a february 15th date to
give that notice to proceed to
the contractor and let them
loose or 16th I'm sorry also
talking about that coordination
we've been meeting with
numerous entities and we've got
an indigo east meeting that's
going to be coming up to try to
get more word out
as construction activities ramp
up.
Just last week we met with the
school board and the new
just last week we met with the school board and the new principal at the south marion
high school and have some more
school presentations that will
be giving the later part of
this month southwest 80th and
70th avenue segment three.
>> so this is going to e the
next major project that lets
loose out f the office of the
county engineer.
We're finishing up some of our
last few negotiations.
we're finishing up some of our last few negotiations. The good news for us work is
the largest roperty owner
the good news for us work is the largest roperty owner as it relates to outstanding
teaching properties.
They have agreed verbally to
let us have a right of entry
they have agreed verbally to let us have a right of entry agreement.
What that does is open up that
project for us as we're
what that does is open up that project for us as we're negotiating and settling the
last few remaining parcels
that'll open up the entire
north half of this project
potentially they have a lot of
holdings on the east side down
here as well that gives us a
comfort level to move forward.
We talked a little bit about
the cpm schedule.
we talked a little bit about the cpm schedule. We can work with the contractor
saying you can work in these
we can work with the contractor saying you can work in these areas, you cannot work in these
areas.
Concurrent activities start to
open up and we can start to see
concurrent activities start to open up and we can start to see some progress out here on this
particular project you have
that agreement.
>> I don't have it yet verbally
they've agreed to I'm working
with their attorney as well
as our legal team getting all
of that squared away will
execute.
That gives us the comfort level
to move forward with an
that gives us the comfort level to move forward with an advertisement as well as some
additional parcels that are
going to stipulate or of taking
hearing in april once we see
how all of this plays out which
I don't have any hesitation but
that allows us to advertise
this project and start
construction out here.
>> so it's it's coming it's
coming quick hold on one second
mr. West are we getting close
on that agreement so we
can start work or no, I haven't
seen the agreement yet.
I can't tell you but I think it
would be a
pretty straightforward
agreement.
>> okay.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
thank you, sir. Thank you. We're we're expecting atp to
thank you. We're we're expecting atp to the contractor june july of
we're we're expecting atp to the contractor june july of this year and then right behind
that's going to be the 49th
street project as well while we
also are gearing up for the
38th and 40th 38th 40th avenue
project as well.
So we talked a little bit about
bonding at the strategic plan
so we talked a little bit about bonding at the strategic plan update.
I believe the 80th 70th avenue
segment three we will have
enough funds to move that one
forward without a bond
consideration.
It starts to become a real
conversation where the 40
it starts to become a real conversation where the 40 not
consideration. It starts to become a real conversation where the 40 not
it starts to become a real conversation where the 40 not street 38 40th avenue as well
the marion oaks flyover all of
those are going to start the
discussion for the bonding and
in a nutshell I know I jumped
around a little bit those are
those are the highlights that
I've got before you today and
will absolutely be working to
get some improved signage out
there for that reason and any
other questions or comments?
>> mr. Curry yes, sir.
Is it fair to say from your
best guesstimate that he four
is it fair to say from your best guesstimate that he four lining of ideas the entire 11
miles while seeing 27 going up
to the new interchange and
including bucky's that all of
this will be completed by 28?
I think we're going to be
extremely close with the
exception of the segment two so
when you go south of 40 and you
tie in to where our phase 1/80
avenue project is that segment
two it's a little over a mile
and a half remnant that will
still be in design and gearing
up for construction.
So thinking about the top
that's the one that's kind of
so thinking about the top that's the one that's kind of tucked in between one and three
and that'll come after that
construction is wrapping up on
1 in 3 as well.
>> well that's one of the
questions I'm sure everybody's
getting and I know I get it up
.
Paramount number one when's
bucky's coming?
paramount number one when's bucky's coming? Keep telling them 2028.
That's what I've been told.
keep telling them 2028. That's what I've been told. And then when those ideas are
that's what I've been told. And then when those ideas are going to be completed then it
and then when those ideas are going to be completed then it all kind of fits
together
and then when those ideas are going to be completed then it all kind of fits together
because once you close 27 you
got to cut that new road into
the new interchange.
But you know it is oh go ahead.
>> I think bucky's also is
but you know it is oh go ahead. >> I think bucky's also is contingent upon that
interchange being done.
They can't start until that
interchange gets done.
they can't start until that interchange gets done. >> so be simultaneous.
Yeah.
We don't have and that's out of
yeah. We don't have and that's out of our I would I would start
we don't have and that's out of our I would I would start telling people 29 that way if
it's earlier they think you're
a hero I think we're going to
be at the tail end 35 of 20 we
did coordinate closely with dot
as well I understand that
they're going to start breaking
ground within the next week or
two at that interchange.
So the interchange work is
actually going to be one of the
so the interchange work is actually going to be one of the early out components of that
project.
They identified that in their
schedule as needing to be
they identified that in their schedule as needing to be completed at the onset for the
new florida and the interchange
is funded they to have that
interchange funded and the 49th
street extension that's he
bond discussion that we're
going to have to have to make
that all fall into place.
>> excellent.
Sir, I did speak with secretary
tyler told me in mid-march that
sir, I did speak with secretary tyler told me in mid-march that turn lane on 44 will be done
and hopefully he's going to
help me not to let the
contractor linger too long
after that to get the rest of
it cleaned up.
So that's our we're working on
that as well.
so that's our we're working on that as well. >> so everybody knows anything
else stephen.
All right, commissioners, any
other questions for stephen?
all right, commissioners, any other questions for stephen? Thank you so much.
Christopher stephen as always,
thank you so much. Christopher stephen as always, like everybody.
christopher stephen as always, like everybody. >> are we have committee items.
Mr. Clerk thank ou, mr. Chair.
>> yes, we have a handful of
mr. Clerk thank ou, mr. Chair. >> yes, we have a handful of them today.
First is item 10.1 which was a
request to appoint one member
first is item 10.1 which was a request to appoint one member to serve on the code
enforcement board for the
remainder of a full unexpired
term ending august 26th or a
new alternate term ending
february 29th.
Mr. David francis received the
appropriate votes to serve for
mr. David francis received the appropriate votes to serve for the full term expiring august
26th so moved.
>> I have a motion by
commissioner bryant second by
commissioner curry all those in
favor signify by saying I any
opposed that passes
unanimously.
>> item 10.2 is a request to
reappoint one full member to
the hills of ocala to you for
recreation advisory council for
a new term ending february 2030
and mr. Victor m for rare jr
received the appropriate votes
so moved our motion by
commissioner bryant second by
cmmissioner mcclain all those
in favor signify by saying I
any opposed that passes
unanimously.
>> item ten point three is a
request for ratification of
commissioner ron livesey or
livesey as the city of
belleview representative on the
tourist development council so
moved by motion y
commissioner ryan, second by
commissioner mcclain all those
in favor signify by saying
any opposed that passes
unanimously.
>> item 10.4 is a request for
ratification of councilmember
barry mansfield as the city of
ocala representative on the tdc
so moved back I'm most american
mr. Bryant second by
commissioner curry.
I think we should mess with him
and send him a letter.
All those in favor signify by
saying I.
all those in favor signify by saying I. >> I opposed that passes
unanimously.
Item 10.5 is a equest to
appoint two collector members
item 10.5 is a equest to appoint two collector members to the tourist development
council for individual new
terms ending february 2030.
Douglas cone and rich larkin
received the appropriate votes
douglas cone and rich larkin received the appropriate votes so moved I have a motion mr.
Stone the second
commissioner mcclain all those
stone the second commissioner mcclain all those in favor signify by saying I
any opposed that passed
unanimously.
Finally, item 10.6 is a request
to appoint two non ollector
finally, item 10.6 is a request to appoint two non ollector members to the tdc for
individual new terms ending
february 2030 mr. Robert walker
and mr. Christopher fernandez
as received the appropriate
votes so moved by
commissioner o'brien second by
mr. Mcclain.
All those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed that
all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passed unanimously.
>> all right.
Thank you mr. Clerk.
Appreciate it.
thank you mr. Clerk. Appreciate it. Notation for action
appreciate it. Notation for action commissioners we are scheduling
notation for action commissioners we are scheduling a workshop with the trust for
public land regarding the
actually in regarding the thing
we did today in regards to the
support letter that will be
march 3rd at 2 p.m. Any.
>> good so moved all right o
move by commissioner bryant
second by commissioner stone
all those in favor signify by
saying I.
I opposed that passes
unanimously we're going to move
on to general public comments.
I don't have anyone signed up
so would anyone like to speak
on any item?
Oh no.
Imean I'm calling so anybody
oh no. Imean I'm calling so anybody
imean I'm calling so anybody know?
oh no. Imean I'm calling so anybody know?
imean I'm calling so anybody know? All right.
We'll bring it back to the
all right. We'll bring it back to the board.
we'll bring it back to the board. Commissioner curry?
>> no.
commissioner curry? >> no. Good.
Good.
good. Good. Mr. Stone if.
good. Mr. Stone if. >> any banners?
mr. Stone if. >> any banners? Yeah.
I'll just remind everyone that
yeah. I'll just remind everyone that we have the rent for the
springs coming up in the end of
february 28th.
That'll take place a beautiful
silver spring state park.
that'll take place a beautiful silver spring state park. But many old come out and join
us that day.
but many old come out and join us that day. >> thank you, mr. Bryant.
I'm good.
Oh, all right.
Let me go quick.
oh, all right. Let me go quick. Mr. Mcclain.
let me go quick. Mr. Mcclain. Ribbons today.
mr. Mcclain. Ribbons today. No ribbons and I'm great.
ribbons today. No ribbons and I'm great. What a great day in
no ribbons and I'm great. What a great day in marion county.
what a great day in marion county. 942 that's pretty darn good.
I will be in recess till this
afternoon.
>> thank you, mr. Chair.
Are we doing sierra at 154?
>> are we?
are we doing sierra at 154? >> are we? Well, we're this meeting is in
>> are we? Well, we're this meeting is in recess
well, we're this meeting is in recess
well, we're this meeting is in recess right.
recess right. All right, ladies and
gentlemen, have a seat.
all right, ladies and gentlemen, have a seat. Get comfortable.
I was going to go to the
get comfortable. I was going to go to the bathroom.
Do you want.
Yeah, I did.
do you want. Yeah, I did. >> and you know, welcome to our
yeah, I did. >> and you know, welcome to our continuation of our board of
county commissioners meeting
into our zoning portion of your
please again, I know you guys
are already practiced up but
please stand for the pledge of
allegiance.
>> make it sound good.
>> I pledge allegiance to the
flag of the united states of
america and to the republic for
which it stands.
Why wasting your time and
liberty and justice for a man
why wasting your time and liberty and justice for a man that don't get you excited?
I don't know what will madam
clerk call the roll chairman
zalak vice chairman mcclain.
Commissioner curry.
>> commissioner bryant
commissioner curry. >> commissioner bryant commissioner so I'm here.
All right.
>> thank you.
all right. >> thank you. And proof of publication I have
proof of publication entitled
and proof of publication I have proof of publication entitled notice of public hearing by
marion county board of county
commissioners to consider
adoption of an ordinance
published on the publicly
accessible website marion f
l.org/legal notices on february
2nd, 2026.
>> thank you so much.
All right ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to our zoning.
all right ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our zoning. This does work a little bit
differently than our our normal
this does work a little bit differently than our our normal legislative meetings so we're
going to get it kicked off with
our waiver requests.
These are waivers for the land
development code.
these are waivers for the land development code. After that we're going to
go into our consent agenda and
after that we're going to go into our consent agenda and then.
As I'm sure most of you are
here, we've got a couple items
as I'm sure most of you are here, we've got a couple items for individual consideration
I'm going to pass it over to
our county attorney.
He's going to talk to you and
give you a super bowl analogy.
he's going to talk to you and give you a super bowl analogy. Riveting information.
Also make sure that you take
riveting information. Also make sure that you take your phone and your ipad and
also make sure that you take your phone and your ipad and any other thing that beeps
vibrate or whatever and make
sure it's on silent.
If you don't have it on silent,
you're going to come up here
if you don't have it on silent, you're going to come up here because the price will be
right
if you don't have it on silent, you're going to come up here because the price will be right
and you're going to share your
conversation with the rest of
us.
Otherwise.
us. Otherwise. Put them on silent and if you
otherwise. Put them on silent and if you have a call please take it out
put them on silent and if you have a call please take it out into the corridor, wait for the
door to close.
Otherwise we hear all of your
conversations as these meetings
otherwise we hear all of your conversations as these meetings go on.
We're going to have a great
vibrant discourse together.
we're going to have a great vibrant discourse together. Everybody's opinion actually
matters and we're here to
everybody's opinion actually matters and we're here to listen to all of those opinions
as your commissioners.
What we will not do is allow if
you come up to the podium to
what we will not do is allow if you come up to the podium to turn around and point at
someone, accuse someone you are
more than welcome to come give
your opinion to the county
commissioners you are not
welcome to attack people in the
audience.
Okay so we're going to have a
great discourse but we're going
okay so we're going to have a great discourse but we're going to have a civil discourse if
you don't.
These fine officers in the back
will escort you out.
these fine officers in the back will escort you out. Okay with that, mr. Attorney,
if you will please give
okay with that, mr. Attorney, if you will please give everybody the information they
need and swear everybody that
will be speaking in.
>> okay.
Thank you, mr. Chair.
So as the chair said, the first
thank you, mr. Chair. So as the chair said, the first three items will be the
so as the chair said, the first three items will be the development review committee
request.
I don't speak any of you except
the property owners are here
for those items.
They usually go pretty quickly
.
they usually go pretty quickly . We have two items on consent
the consent agenda is tems
we have two items on consent the consent agenda is tems as to which before today we
have not received any letters
of objection.
In a moment.
When I'm finished with my
in a moment. When I'm finished with my little talk here.
when I'm finished with my little talk here. The grow services irector will
read off the two items on
the grow services irector will read off the two items on consent if you're here today
and do have an objection and
you haven't previously had an
opportunity to voice that when
he reads the items off.
Raise your hand and we will
move those items either one of
raise your hand and we will move those items either one of them on to the next category
which is the category of items
for individual consideration.
If nobody has any objection or
question about the two items on
if nobody has any objection or question about the two items on consent, the board will make a
single motion at and approve
both of those at one time.
>> even if you just have a
question about something on
consent, if you just have a
question raise your hand.
We'll try to address that
question right away and see if
we'll try to address that question right away and see if that resolves your issue.
Then we get into the item 15.3
which is the items that almost
then we get into the item 15.3 which is the items that almost all of you are here for and
these are the items for
individual consideration and
for the land use law.
We have two main categories of
activities that the board of
we have two main categories of activities that the board of county commissioners deals
with.
The most important category is
comprehensive land use planning
the most important category is comprehensive land use planning state of florida and florida
courts have called the
comprehensive plan the land use
constitution for the state of
florida when the board is
dealing with comprehensive plan
issues they are acting in a
legislative policymaking
function and they have broad
discretion in the decisions
they can make about that.
The chairman indicated that
we're where you have a forum
the chairman indicated that we're where you have a forum where you can express a your
opinions and actually the
opinions are more relevant when
we're dealing with policymaking
functions.
In contrast to that.
we're dealing with policymaking functions. In contrast to that.-
we're dealing with policymaking functions. As contrast to that.-
we're dealing with policymaking functions. As it trast to that.-
we're dealing with policymaking functions. As it turns to that.-
we're dealing with policymaking functions. As it turns out hat.-
we're dealing with policymaking functions. As it turns out today on this
particular agenda, none of the
as it turns out today on this particular agenda, none of the items here today are
comprehensive plan amendments.
All of the items are what we
call quasi judicial proceedings
all of the items are what we call quasi judicial proceedings and that means they're either
rezonings or special use
permits and the rezoning
include applications for a
planned unit development which
is a specific type of rezoning
.
The issue for special use
permits and planning
the issue for special use permits and planning developments is there are three
three criteria that are most
important.
Number one, all of these
applications have to be
number one, all of these applications have to be consistent with the future land
use map in our comprehensive
plan.
For instance, if someone was
coming in for some kind of
for instance, if someone was coming in for some kind of intense commercial development
in a rezoning but he
comprehensive plan for that
property said it was for
agricultural or rural property
it would be inconsistent and
would not be allowed.
I don't think we have that
situation here today.
So the first item is is the
application consistent with the
so the first item is is the application consistent with the cob plan?
Second item is is the item in
the public interest and now
second item is is the item in the public interest and now this is an area where the board
really engages in quite a bit
of balancing of different
interests between the interests
of the public at large.
Obviously the board is elected
by the electors f marion
obviously the board is elected by the electors f marion county so the board has to
consider the interests of the
public at large.
But at the same time the board
also has to balance the
but at the same time the board also has to balance the interest and concerns of the
public at large with the
property rights of the property
owner and or developer who is
making the application and
property rights have
constitutional protections in
in america and in the state of
oregon.
And so the board is
always
in america and in the state of oregon. And so the board is always
concerned about both of those
and so the board is always concerned about both of those factors when balancing
considerations of whether
something is or is not in the
public interest.
And then finally we have the
issue of whether or not the
and then finally we have the issue of whether or not the application is compatible with
the surrounding property.
>> the unique thing about
special use permits and
planning developments
as opposed to a regular
rezoning is that both the
special use permit and the
planning unit developments
allow the board to impose
certain specific conditions on
that particular project.
One of the most important goals
of those conditions is to
one of the most important goals of those conditions is to provide for enhancing the
compatibility of the
application with the
surrounding property and when
the application comes up the
applicant or our staff will
read out the conditions that
are recommended if the board is
going to approve that item.
If you are here not upporting
the item but if you're opposed
if you are here not upporting the item but if you're opposed to it listen carefully to the
conditions that are being
recommended.
If there's some reason that you
believe some additional
if there's some reason that you believe some additional condition or more stringent
conditions should be imposed
imposed as part of your
statement to the board, you're
free to recommend omething in
addition to what staff has
already listed in the
application materials and
the
addition to what staff has already listed in the application materials and the
board has the discretion to
evaluate that when it comes to
their deliberation the order of
presentation is that generally
speaking the staff will
introduce the item then we will
invite the applicant up to
provide more specific
information about why they're
asking for what they're asking
for, what the project will
entail and so forth.
After we finish the staff
presents ation and the
after we finish the staff presents ation and the individual applicant's
presentation then we open the
hearing up to comments from the
public and we have two podiums
and particularly with an
enthusiastic crowd like we have
today we encourage people that
want to speak to utilize both
of these podiums and so what
does that mean?
We recommend that a couple of
people kind of line up on the
we recommend that a couple of people kind of line up on the wall not candy but a couple of
people and kind of wait your
turn behind the podium so that
as soon as someone speaks at
this podium we usually go to
that one but then you'll be
moving up to this podium so
that you can be ready to speak
so that we can keep the
proceedings moving along
steadily.
>> the chair indicated that I
would make some reference to
the super bowl and many of you
have heard that before about
four or the people speaking
either in favor or against the
application.
You have a two minute
time limit.
you have a two minute time limit. Some people may think well
that's that doesn't sound fair
some people may think well that's that doesn't sound fair because we do allow the
applicant to pend more time.
>> of course the applicant.
All right.
Come on down.
all right. Come on down. Spend a lot more money.
come on down. Spend a lot more money. We're bringing to apply for the
spend a lot more money. We're bringing to apply for the application.
we're bringing to apply for the application. No, no takers.
The super bowl silence the
no, no takers. The super bowl silence the super bowl analogy is that I
the super bowl silence the super bowl analogy is that I think in the most recent super
bowl the advertisements or a
32nd ad were going like $7
million for a 32nd ad and
somehow they get their point
across in 30s.
So I'm sure if you work your
real hard you can get your
so I'm sure if you work your real hard you can get your point across in two minutes.
The main point all kidding
aside is make sure you you get
the main point all kidding aside is make sure you you get your most important point out
first whatever it is and it
should be factual information
not not opinion in the sense of
well we have 50 people here and
we're all against this that
kind of opinion legally is not
something the board can rely
on.
The board has o make its
decision based on what the
the board has o make its decision based on what the courts call competent
substantial evidence.
That's fact based evidence.
If you have specific concerns
that's fact based evidence. If you have specific concerns about traffic or you know,
if you have specific concerns about traffic or you know, environmental issues or
whatever it might be but it
shouldn't just be that I don't
like it if you're here in
opposition to one of these
applications and also on that
point just like if we were in a
court of law downtown generally
speaking the courts don't allow
what they call repetitive
evidence.
They don't allow ten people to
say the same testimony over and
they don't allow ten people to say the same testimony over and over again.
So if you're here and someone
in front of you has already
so if you're here and someone in front of you has already spoken the same concerns you
have, there is no reason to get
up and say the same thing again
.
I'm not trying to discourage
anyone who wants to speak
from
. I'm not trying to discourage anyone who wants to speak from
saying that but but again try
to bring new information to the
board.
If somebody as already said
something you have in mind
if somebody as already said something you have in mind getting back to the final item
I indicated that the board's
decision has to be based on
competence substantial
evidence.
And so with that in mind, I'm
going to ask anyone and
and so with that in mind, I'm going to ask anyone and everyone who even thinks you
and so with that in mind, I'm going to ask anyone and everyone who even thinks you-
and so with that in mind, I'm going to ask anyone and may yone who even thinks you-
and so with that in mind, I'm going to ask anyone and may speak ho even thinks you-
and so with that in mind, I'm going to ask anyone and may speak today n thinks you-
and so with that in mind, I'm going to ask anyone and may speak today stand ks you-
and so with that in mind, I'm going to ask anyone and may speak today stand up you-
and so with that in mind, I'm going to ask anyone and may speak today stand up and-
I'm going to in mass place you
all under oath so that we
can get the oath out of the way
at one time.
>> and if you will raise your
right hand and repeat after me
I solemnly swear or affirm the
testimony I will give today
will be the truth and nothing
but the truth under penalty of
all.
>> thank you.
Be seated.
Mr. Chair.
be seated. Mr. Chair. Thank you, sir.
mr. Chair. Thank you, sir. >> all right.
thank you, sir. >> all right. First up, we have a couple of
waivers.
first up, we have a couple of waivers. >> want to tackle those first?
So if I have one 1 in 5.
>> one two.
so if I have one 1 in 5. >> one two. Sir.
Good
>> one two. Sir. Good afternoon, commissioners.
sir. Good afternoon, commissioners. Cuck varian, director of group
good afternoon, commissioners. Cuck varian, director of group services.
cuck varian, director of group services. I'm going to get us started
today with item 15.1.
Point one as noted that was a
that is a buffer waiver request
point one as noted that was a that is a buffer waiver request and if we could pull up the
screens this was a buffer
waiver request that was denied
by the drc january 5th, 2026
and they're appealing the drc
decision just to get us
oriented a ittle bit.
This kind of pinkish box is the
location.
this kind of pinkish box is the location. This is like we're high school
so it's a little south of there
this is like we're high school so it's a little south of there of southeast mary camp and
right next door to the silver
springs shores vfw it is does
have a commercial land use and
it does have a two zoning sorry
it's not one to here we go all
right.
Looking at the zoning and the
buffer requirements, it does
looking at the zoning and the buffer requirements, it does this is sorry this is the
subject property aerial view.
So it is commercial zone to eg
to the east which requires a
so it is commercial zone to eg to the east which requires a type d buffer by the code
that's 15ft wide and with a six
foot wall to the south is
residential zoning.
So commercial to residential
requires a b-type buffer which
so commercial to residential requires a b-type buffer which is a 20 foot wide landscaping
and a six foot wall.
They are requesting to waive
the wall requirement completely
they are requesting to waive the wall requirement completely so not been an offense or
anything but nstead provide an
enhanced buffer.
There is some visuals of that
drc just to be brief knowing
there is some visuals of that drc just to be brief knowing the agenda we did recommend to
do a precast masonry wall we
did not see any visuals at that
time.
One of the concerns from staff
and this is their site plan
one of the concerns from staff and this is their site plan they are doing a retail store I
believe it's going to be a
dollar general store.
One of the concerns from staff
is with enhanced buffers.
one of the concerns from staff is with enhanced buffers. They'll look good initially but
a lot of times especially with
they'll look good initially but a lot of times especially with some of these dollar generals
we've had a number of code
cases where for whatever reason
if they turn off the water the
vegetation dies off.
So from a staff perspective our
concern would be the long term
so from a staff perspective our concern would be the long term maintenance of the enhanced
buffer was good.
This is their landscape plan
and that's a picture of their
this is their landscape plan and that's a picture of their enhanced buffer applicant here
no yes.
Okay.
>> yes I'm on a first in the
okay. >> yes I'm on a first in the
okay. >> yes I'm on a first in the back
back
.
. >>
. >> I
. >> I need our name and address for the record.
My name is lindsey klein.
Address james 4656 ellis park
my name is lindsey klein. Address james 4656 ellis park avenue charleston, south
address james 4656 ellis park avenue charleston, south carolina.
>>
avenue charleston, south carolina. >> okay.
And your six, five six also.
Okay.
and your six, five six also. Okay. Okay with that madam clerk
okay. Okay with that madam clerk okay.
okay with that madam clerk okay. Thank you, bn I mean we kind
of just wanted to be able to
thank you, bn I mean we kind of just wanted to be able to dive into this a little bit
more.
The drc comments that we got
all recommended approval we
the drc comments that we got all recommended approval we didn't receive any comments
from them besides presenting a
rendering for you all here.
>> so that's kind of what we're
here to do and I believe drc
denied your request correct and
then they pushed it to here but
we didn't receive any comments
besides drc or recommended
approval so that's where we
were unsure they didn't
recommend approval so it was so
drc with these kinds of
requests for the board's
direction with these walls we
deny it and then will this I
think what she's referring to
is staff like maybe susan hand
I'm guessing in her review
recommended approval from a a
landscape architect
perspective.
>>
landscape architect perspective. >> okay.
Anyway, just so you're clear
your request got denied and
anyway, just so you're clear your request got denied and sent us to make the decision.
>> okay.
Okay.
I
>> okay. Okay. I was just we didn't receive
okay. I was just we didn't receive like specific comments is all
I'm saying about what we could
have changed to get this to be
approved.
But basically the point is to
keep the esthetic of this area
but basically the point is to keep the esthetic of this area the same and ot include a six
foot wall on both sides where
we feel hat the landscape and
agricultural feel of this area
is more prevalent than a six
foot wall.
But what are you going to do
with that?
but what are you going to do with that? So just for curiosity, what are
you going to do with the store
so just for curiosity, what are you going to do with the store to make it fit into this
community?
>> I mean I feel like the store
itself fits in the community
with the way that it is built.
I mean it's really it's it
serves the community in the
neighborhood.
That's the whole intention of
it.
that's the whole intention of it. But I think that the
landscaping here would look
but I think that the landscaping here would look reduces the amount of concrete
in the area at least I
understand.
Anything else?
>> okay.
anything else? >> okay. We'll bring it back to the
board commissioners.
we'll bring it back to the board commissioners. >> any questions?
Mr. Chair, I'm going to make a
motion for denial.
mr. Chair, I'm going to make a motion for denial. We have we have standards in
place for a reason.
we have we have standards in place for a reason. You've got residential to the
south.
you've got residential to the south. You've got agricultural to the
east.
you've got agricultural to the east. We put those standards in place
to protect hose neighbors.
we put those standards in place to protect hose neighbors. When you come in your what
you're oing to do the business
when you come in your what you're oing to do the business you're going to put there is
going to be a disruption to
that residential neighbor to
the south of you.
And so we have these standards
in place for that reason.
and so we have these standards in place for that reason. So with that I recommend and
I'll have a motion by
so with that I recommend and I'll have a motion by commissioner bryant okay.
>> second by commissioner curry
all those in favor of kind of
comment?
Sure commissioners, I don't I
appreciate what walls do as
sure commissioners, I don't I appreciate what walls do as far
comment? Sure commissioners, I don't I appreciate what walls do as far
sure commissioners, I don't I appreciate what walls do as far as buffers and protecting
neighbors and things like that
but I hate putting up concrete
in the middle of nowhere
especially six foot high
concrete all over the place.
I felt like there was another
way we could have gotten here
with a with a maybe a fence or
something else that was that's
better than just throwing up
concrete in the middle of
summer springs when there's
nothing else on that.
>> it's not silver springs
shores yeah.
On that silver spring shores
when there's nothing else on
on that silver spring shores when there's nothing else on mary camp that has these walls
if it's if it is a dollar
general there's another dollar
general right down the road
that doesn't have that that
doesn't have this either.
>> so I'm against throwing up
concrete all over the place
right now but it's there with
all due respect, I understand
no worries.
But it's their job to give us
an alternative plan.
but it's their job to give us an alternative plan. They provided none except more
trees, right?
they provided none except more trees, right? I mean o we've done this all
the time.
The commissioner where we asked
the person to do something else
the commissioner where we asked the person to do something else so well but that's the problem
is we're not holding people to
the standards that we've set
and in 20 years as that area
develops and it will because
there's going to be more
development in there, you're
going to see more waivers and
then you're going to end up
with people who have these
businesses abutting their
residential properties and they
have no protection from the
business activity that's going
on in those properties and that
wall is there for sound
abatement for vehicles coming
in and out.
I mean if you look at the way
that this residential property
abuts that commercial property
you're going to have headlights
coming right into it.
And so I think as a protection
to the person that's already
and so I think as a protection to the person that's already there, we owe them that to
stick to the standards we put
in place.
>> and I and I've been against
those standards as I know
because you don't like that
because I think there's a
better way we can do this with
vegetation or an opaque
fence
because I think there's a better way we can do this with vegetation or an opaque fence
or something else that's not
okay.
>> fences are terrible and they
look terrible after so long and
they fall down in vegetation
unless it's well taken care of.
It does not provide the
protection for the residents
it does not provide the protection for the residents fom the business going in
there and that's one of the
things we need to work on in
our code is to have a little
bit of flexibility but then
also have long term maintenance
of landscaping because that's
what happens, right?
Is that they put it in and they
plant it and then they don't
is that they put it in and they plant it and then they don't irrigate it or they get in
there and then they shut off
the irrigation and the
fertilizer and they don't take
care of it for the first five
years and then all of a sudden
I mean no disrespect but
there's $3 general on my way
home and they all put them all
in and almost all of the
vegetation is is is destroyed.
The one closest to my house the
opaque fence is laying on its
the one closest to my house the opaque fence is laying on its side.
So yeah, I'm not in favor of
anyway so e have a motion by
so yeah, I'm not in favor of anyway so e have a motion by commissioner bryant denial and
seconded by commissioner curry
all those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed that
passes unanimous I'm sorry that
passes 4 to 1 with
commissioner mcclain dissenting
yes or sorry about that.
>> all right.
415 one two.
Thank you mr. Chair.
>> could I just verify a
thank you mr. Chair. >> could I just verify a precast wall though is also
available for just making sure
that they understood that?
Yep.
Our staff can give you those
yep. Our staff can give you those indications as well.
our staff can give you those indications as well. All right, tony, I want to put
in one two.
all right, tony, I want to put in one two. >> sorry.
Good afternoon, mr. Chair.
Commissioners, my name is tony
good afternoon, mr. Chair. Commissioners, my name is tony cunningham.
commissioners, my name is tony cunningham. I serve in the role as a
utility director here in marion
county.
We had a project that came
before the development review
we had a project that came before the development review committee on december 15th.
That project was denied or the
waiver request for that project
that project was denied or the waiver request for that project was denied and so they appealed
that and we're here today to
have a further discussion on
that project 15.12 and 15.13
are both are ones water and one
sewer.
>> so I'm going to kind of talk
about them together.
Okay, good.
We're going to take them up to
okay, good. We're going to take them up to you.
we're going to take them up to you. >> all right.
How do you want to go so this
project is located in I'll zoom
how do you want to go so this project is located in I'll zoom out in my in my head in words
so you can see it not not on
the map itself.
So this project is located
north of ocala south of 20 six
so this project is located north of ocala south of 20 six about midway between and the
midway between I-75 and 441.
It's in the urban growth
boundary but it's in an area
it's in the urban growth boundary but it's in an area where we don't have
our
it's in the urban growth boundary but it's in an area where we don't have our
utilities water and sewer
utilities located city of ocala
has utilities that are further
south.
>> they're not near it as well.
So typically I come before you
and there's usually a request
so typically I come before you and there's usually a request because of connection distance
this is not about connection
distance so there they are
outside of connection distance.
What our code says is if you
have a project that's like a
what our code says is if you have a project that's like a multi family project or a
commercial project that's
outside of connection distance
then they're required to
construct a decentralized water
system, a ecentralized
wastewater system package
plants package plants.
The waiver is a request to a
waiver from that so the
the waiver is a request to a waiver from that so the applicant in lieu of that and
the applicants here or the
representative is here help
come up in a second because
we've met several times since
the since the drc meeting on
december 17th.
So they're looking for a waiver
from that.
so they're looking for a waiver from that. It's a it's a rather small
site.
it's a it's a rather small site. They're trying to put six
buildings which consist of 12
they're trying to put six buildings which consist of 12 duplexes on that site.
And so I think what his what
he'll talk about I won't put
and so I think what his what he'll talk about I won't put words in his model let him do
his thing but we'll be that
there's not enough room and
there's a quite an expense to
putting those package plants
tony from from our notes here
it says 12 duplex units is that
like 12 buildings or 12 unix
buildings with 12 you okay
thank you and so so again his
waiver request is from that
from our perspective what we
have to think about is several
things.
So one is the desire in the
future if utilities are in this
so one is the desire in the future if utilities are in this area for them to connect to the
central are centralized
utilities.
We don't have any plans right
now.
we don't have any plans right now. There aren't any developments
that are about to extend the
there aren't any developments that are about to extend the bunch of water and sewer in the
area so we don't know the
timing of that in the future.
And the other thing we have to
think about is just our our
and the other thing we have to think about is just our our natural resources of water and
the impacts of putting in non
decentralized or centralized
water or sewer in the area.
And so from both of those
reasons my recommendation would
and so from both of those reasons my recommendation would be to continue to enforce our
code and have what's in the
code in there and I'm here to
go into more detail and answer
questions as mr. Ratcliffe I
think will represent the
applicant and provide some
perspective as well.
>> let me just verify because
you know we deal with this
somewhat but not all he
time as more of the connection
issue.
So if they were to put in a
water we'd have one central
so if they were to put in a water we'd have one central connection at least going into
the project that in the future
some utility connect to same
thing on the sewer side right
you have one connection that
you could take a package plant
offline.
Yes.
offline. Yes. Otherwise you get six different
yes. Otherwise you get six different units if you do it the other
otherwise you get six different units if you do it the other way possibly.
What else is the benefit of the
package plant that we need to
what else is the benefit of the package plant that we need to be aware of?
>> the other benefits would be
just more requirements are
monitoring requirements they're
meeting more as opposed to just
a well or a septic tank or
meeting certain monitoring
requirements and the quality
because you're providing you're
not just doing a single family
home with a well, you're
providing it to a development
units and different owners.
So I think it's those those
monitoring requirements on a
so I think it's those those monitoring requirements on a wastewater side they'd have to
treat to a higher level to meet
I think it's ten I think it'll
be ten parts per million would
be the package plant for the
treat the 90% you could roughly
say around 90% yeah but you
have to treat to limit that
then you are then sampling and
making sure you're below going
into the future.
>> all right.
Any other questions for staff
commissioners?
any other questions for staff commissioners? All right, mr. Ratcliffe.
Good afternoon.
all right, mr. Ratcliffe. Good afternoon. >> afternoon commissioners mike
good afternoon. >> afternoon commissioners mike radcliffe radcliffe engineering
2611 outh east lake weir
avenue ocala.
>> I would actually echo what
tony has said so far as far
as being correct in actual
factual.
We have met several times
trying to figure out how to a
we have met several times trying to figure out how to a solution to this project
because it just seems to fall
into all the cracks regulatory
and size.
It is a very small low flow
project.
it is a very small low flow project. The six duplexes total of 12
units I did submit and I
the six duplexes total of 12 units I did submit and I intended or assumed that it
would be part of the submittal
package but it as not in the
packet.
Thank you.
>> so in showing how the site
thank you. >> so in showing how the site the site lays out it is a it is
a small site.
So one of the difficulties of a
decentralized system is that
so one of the difficulties of a decentralized system is that dep regulates that they usually
regulated it and you put this
on hold on one second mr.
Ratcliffe we just need to make
sure that everybody gets to see
ratcliffe we just need to make sure that everybody gets to see the same thing.
Sure.
>> tony can you make sure this
sure. >> tony can you make sure this gets on the screen?
Give us one moment,
>> tony can you make sure this gets on the screen? Give us one moment, sir
give us one moment, sir
.
. >>
. >> perfect. Go ahead.
A very fine.
go ahead. A very fine. So the connection distance
a very fine. So the connection distance where is required 30 840ft
so the connection distance where is required 30 840ft where 7000 you may see 10,000
as one number on my particular
plan.
But this was created before the
latest site distance was
but this was created before the latest site distance was uploaded by him in
marion county utilities which
was around 7000 both for water
and sewer.
>> but those numbers are
exorbitant half $1 million for
water and 700,000 for sewer for
12 duplex units is quite
exorbitant half $1 million for water and 700,000 for sewer for 12 duplex units is quite-
exorbitant half $1 million for water and 700,000 for sewer for unreasonable.ts is quite-
so back to the decentralized
system typically that is the
package plant which I wouldn't
say they're necessarily out of
style but they're not the
greatest thing going.
They're regulated by dep
usually they're starting
they're regulated by dep usually they're starting gallons per day for that is
5000 gallons per day.
The setbacks on those basically
wipe out the entire site, the
the setbacks on those basically wipe out the entire site, the setbacks and the disposal
system to meet the actual wwt
of package plant standards are
extreme for this site so we're
proposing other types another
type of decentralized system
and in the simplest form
separate tanks our
decentralized system according
to department of health but
we're not we're not proposing
that we go with a standard
septic tank.
There's there's two and I'm
glad tony linked them together
there's there's two and I'm glad tony linked them together for the water and the sewer if
we re regulated by the fda.
>> yep.
>> well it has a 200 foot
radius for our 2400 gallons per
day so under the way the
package plant limit for dep we
for the well it has a 200 foot
radius which wipes out most of
the development.
So what we're proposing for the
well are to limited use
so what we're proposing for the well are to limited use department of department of
health wells they are
constructed to the same
standard with grouting as a dep
well but it's just not
regulated by dep.
I ave talked to evan searcy
with the department of health
and it could be permitted
permitted with two wells and
they would have 100 foot
radiuses which would allow the
the the sewer systems to
operate it.
Mr. Ratcliffe is one well going
to is going to service all ix
mr. Ratcliffe is one well going to is going to service all ix units it would be two but they
would be next to each other.
They would service all six
units okay and they will be
they would service all six units okay and they will be connected they would they would
provide ndividual services to
each unit as would be a future
marion county requirement so it
could be metered and it would
be right next to the
highway.
marion county requirement so it could be metered and it would be right next to the highway.
>> so connection could be
easily made in the future.
>> we have said that e would
connect at such time as
as water becomes available and
sewer and sewer yes we on our
on our site plan we've shown
where the piping would go for
the sewer future sewer
connection it would go we would
go ahead and build it all the
way out to the road and cap it
and just wait until sewer
became available.
>> mr. Ratcliffe, mr. Stone has
a question for you.
Yes, ma'am.
Thank you for the map that
yes, ma'am. Thank you for the map that you've provided, mr. Ratcliffe
thank you for the map that you've provided, mr. Ratcliffe can you tell me about the
project itself?
Is this going to be affordable?
>> okay.
is this going to be affordable? >> okay. Okay.
Well tony, it is such a good
okay. Well tony, it is such a good job of introducing it.
well tony, it is such a good job of introducing it. I'd kind of jump right into the
details but I did have some
information about that.
It is supposed to be
or
details but I did have some information about that. It is supposed to be or
proposed to be affordable
it is supposed to be or proposed to be affordable housing there duplexes the
market is very tight in in
marion county s you know for
reasonable housing and there's
not too many residential areas
sorry residents for projects
going into this area and it is
in kendrick essentially it's in
the so when you say affordable
housing, can you give me a
dollar value of what those
rents are going to okay okay
the rents would be 1400 or
$1500 which is based on the
cost of development.
I would as an aside or just
further information let you
know that all the other
landscaping requirements buffer
requirements, fencing and those
sort of things have been met.
Drainage on the site and fire
fire requirements how big are
drainage on the site and fire fire requirements how big are these units going to be?
>> pardon how big are these
units going to be?
>> I believe they're about
900ft2.
>> okay.
So with all due respect that is
not affordable.
so with all due respect that is not affordable. So not that much standing right
housing or more for that square
so not that much standing right housing or more for that square footage and you're bringing in
$18,000 a month at $1,500 per
unit with 12 units.
>> you can't afford to do it.
You need to rent and I
understand it's not and but it
you need to rent and I understand it's not and but it is not subsidized housing.
Some of that is much more is
more affordable.
some of that is much more is more affordable. >> this is not subsidized
housing so yes, so curry mr.
Griffin, what is what's the
cost of a package plan for this
griffin, what is what's the cost of a package plan for this location?
griffin, what is what's the cost of a package plan for this location?-
griffin, what is what's the cost of a package plan for this >> ation?-
griffin, what is what's the cost of a package plan for this >> uh, n?-
griffin, what is what's the cost of a package plan for this >> uh, it's in the hundreds of
thousands.
I used to design them 20 years
ago but I probably haven't
designed 1 in 20 years and for
this size it was two $300,000.
>> then the disposal puzzle
takes up quite a bit of area
whether you can't you could get
it approved for a spray feel
which takes up a lot more area
than percolation ponds but you
know that just doesn't have
enough room to fit.
I do have some information on
what we're proposing if I could
go ahead and continue.
>> yes, sir.
>> that the answer your
question.
Yeah, I'll follow.
Okay.
yeah, I'll follow. Okay. So what we're proposing is a
okay. So what we're proposing is a and you know I in rb which is
so what we're proposing is a and you know I in rb which is in ground nitrogen reducing bio
filter and I do realize it's
and which is a septic tank with
enhanced drain field treatment
it is in the b map area basin
management action plan and
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin management action plan and-
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin another nt action plan and-
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin another crack ion plan and-
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin another crack that lan and-
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin another crack that it and-
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin another crack that it kind of
falls in is the under the beam
out regulations beginning june
1st 2023 lots less than one
acre requires 65% nitrogen
reduction or over an acre.
It doesn't qualify for that but
beginning june 1st, 20, 34
it doesn't qualify for that but beginning june 1st, 20, 34 years from now all our lots
would require 65% nitrogen
reduction and for a comparison,
conventional septic systems
only remove about 25 to 30%
nitrogen and ground nitrogen
reducing by filter does remove
65% nitrogen.
>> so we would be meeting the
requirement that's going to
come into effect in 20.
>> mr. Chair all right.
Those are all current.
>> I mean that's basically
those are all current. >> I mean that's basically almost current code we're doing
that, correct?
Correct.
Right.
correct. Right. >> that's what I'm doing.
right. >> that's what I'm doing. That's yeah, that was my point.
So the code or the code is
that's yeah, that was my point. So the code or the code is coming.
so the code or the code is coming. We will be meeting the 65%
nitrogen at that that would be
we will be meeting the 65% nitrogen at that that would be about $4,500 a unit $54,000
there there also advanced
treatment units are appropriate
treatment units or just
distributed wastewater
treatment systems which offer
up to 80% 80% reduction.
Those are almost double in cost
little over double only
those are almost double in cost little over double only $350
up to 80% 80% reduction. Those are almost double in cost little over double only $350
those are almost double in cost little over double only $350 per unit for that.
Those also have more mechanical
parts and pumps, that sort of
those also have more mechanical parts and pumps, that sort of thing that that could fail in
about a $6,000 per year
operating cost.
So that's those are the the the
difference in costs.
so that's those are the the the difference in costs. >> so we are requesting in lieu
of a wastewater treatment plant
to use the I in rb and also the
two limited use wells otherwise
the radiuses and the setbacks
pretty much wipe out the
project I think we understand
that right brian had a question
for you how big are the I mean
we know how big they are square
footage how many bedrooms are
these units going to be two
bedroom or two bedrooms for
staff or I'm just thinking
about this morning when we had
our l have a plan that we
approved this morning and I
made specific notes that we
have rental new construction
and acquisition and
rehabilitation at the 250,000
per unit available through
community services.
We desperately need some true
affordable housing.
we desperately need some true affordable housing. We've approved a lot of market
rate housing, multifamily,
we've approved a lot of market rate housing, multifamily, single family and I really
think this may be before its
time because it doesn't have
the the lines that you need to
develop this that you would
have to do the well in the
septic right and they right and
they would be temporary we're
going to put in the piping so
that we can connect as well.
>> if you told me you doing
affordable housing I'd lean
more into making that exception
.
But I hear what your plan is or
what your applicant's plan is
but I hear what your plan is or what your applicant's plan is for that though I think I'm
going to pause on this one
today and I'm sorry I didn't
catch the program that you were
talking about.
>> we have assistance through
our community development
excuse me community services.
>> okay.
>> and there are dollars
available to help developers
truly do true affordable
housing.
That means it's going to be
based on a sliding scale.
that means it's going to be based on a sliding scale. However much that applet or the
the person renting that
however much that applet or the the person renting that property makes and it's a
sliding scale based on that
household income that's the
type of housing we need
and
sliding scale based on that household income that's the type of housing we need and
that's the type of housing I'd
be more inclined to want to
make exceptions for especially
for multifamily housing at this
juncture in the urban growth
boundary.
Mr. Stone mr. Curry tony, yes.
How temporary is this going to
mr. Stone mr. Curry tony, yes. How temporary is this going to be?
how temporary is this going to be? >> yeah, I think we just we
just don't know.
So we don't have utility has no
plans to extend facilities into
so we don't have utility has no plans to extend facilities into this so it would be driven by
other growth that would be
extending years of you know
things in here this is in the
urban growth boundary but we
aren't seeing significant
amount of activity here that
we're seeing in other places
and from the cost standpoint,
the the package plan would be
just for storage.
>> yes, the water would be in
addition.
Yes, sir.
>> so just so so that would be
yes, sir. >> so just so so that would be $25,000 a year unit 300,000.
So the enhanced septic is what
?
so the enhanced septic is what ? >> well, 15,000 per unit is 40
55.
Right.
55. Right. Right.
right. Right. Per
right. Right. Per unit that's the enhanced
right. Per unit that's the enhanced septic with it because they're
per unit that's the enhanced septic with it because they're not it's not a 80 years not
anaerobic treatment unit and
mr. Radcliffe it's not one for
each unit, right?
>> correct.
>> right.
That's it.
Right.
that's it. Right. It would be one for two units.
right. It would be one for two units. >> all right.
it would be one for two units. >> all right. Let me tell you my concern that
I understand the cracks through
let me tell you my concern that I understand the cracks through your hand.
Right.
But you know, we've just spent
right. But you know, we've just spent over $40 million of arpa money
but you know, we've just spent over $40 million of arpa money and other money to try to put
water and septic and silver
spring shores and we keep going
out and and making these
accommodations to put more
holes in the ground when we're
trying to cover them up.
>> and the thing that's always
bothered me about the well
aspect is that nobody is
keeping up with that usage with
that water t just seems like
we keep working against that's
correct.
Right?
correct. Right? Correct.
right? Correct. But
right? Correct. But there they're going to be
correct. But there they're going to be using about 200 gallons per day
but there they're going to be using about 200 gallons per day so they know about how much
water they're going to be
using, whether it's regulated
by that limited use ell or the
the p well or if it's connected
to the central water system and
which will eventually get
better get there and we
certainly would would like to
have that there it's much
easier to connect and just pay
the pay the connection fees so
and we we pay in the connection
fees at a future point whenever
it does connect so about the 45
hundred dollars debt yes and
that's for one duplex or two
unit is for $4,500 per unit not
thousand per duplex.
Okay.
Right.
okay. Right. And then the upper the higher
right. And then the upper the higher level of treatment which was
and then the upper the higher level of treatment which was but certainly I guess in
today's regulation and some of
the regulations are still being
developed for a decentralized
system would be he itu.
>> yeah and the distributed
waste now that would fit also
double the cost but probably
wouldn't kill the project.
>> thank you mr. Radcliffe.
Mr. Echo, I'm going o bring
this back to the board.
mr. Echo, I'm going o bring this back to the board. We need to we need to move on.
Okay.
we need to we need to move on. Okay. Sorry, ma'am.
okay. Sorry, ma'am. Thank you for your time, sir.
sorry, ma'am. Thank you for your time, sir. So commissioners, I think
thank you for your time, sir. So commissioners, I think here's the simple thing they're
so commissioners, I think here's the simple thing they're going to sign two agreements to
say hey, if you run the
utilities, whether it's water
and sewer that they're going to
automatically connect.
So that is a plus if we want to
give a waiver of sorts to the
so that is a plus if we want to give a waiver of sorts to the septic tank systems, I think
what we should do is like what
we've done in the past and put
our performance based standard
on it.
So we would say hey mike, if
you want to make this work some
so we would say hey mike, if you want to make this work some other way you still need to
make meet the 90% criteria in
mr. Chair before you keep
going, let me just jump on out
there and say I make a motion
to uphold the trustees action
to deny the waiver request and
I'm going to second that.
>> I think that that's too
intense of a use on that
property right there.
I understand that it has our
three zoning but they are
trying to cram 12 duplexes on
an acre and a half six no it's
12 units six duplexes 12 units
that's 40 eight people on an
acre and a half on septic tanks
when we have been working hard
to make sure that that doesn't
happen.
And if you look at the
surrounding area, it's
and if you look at the surrounding area, it's certainly I know it has the
zoning but it doesn't match the
homes that are around it that
are single family residential
homes on acre lots.
So for me I'm going to be in no
at this time so that a second
so for me I'm going to be in no at this time so that a second that's a second might be a
third.
>> all right have a motion by
commissioners no motion by
commissioner stone second by
commissioner bryant a question
of discussion.
I see none.
All those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed sorry
all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed sorry mr. Radcliffe that that's
denied.
>> thank ou for both of them.
15 one two and 15 one three.
All right, let's get into our
consent
15 one two and 15 one three. All right, let's get into our consent agenda
all right, let's get into our consent agenda
consent agenda
.
. >>
. >> good
. >> good afternoon, commissioners.
Chuck very and again charter
growth services if we could
chuck very and again charter growth services if we could bring up the map or sorry the
screen so the community can see
the map.
So I'm going to go through the
two consent items and we'll
so I'm going to go through the two consent items and we'll hopefully the community
can follow along and see where
these are at.
So the first one is item 15.2.
Point one.
so the first one is item 15.2. Point one. This is case number 26 0201
point one. This is case number 26 0201 issue for seeing okay nine a
this is case number 26 0201 issue for seeing okay nine a llc as well as christina
sanders and charles kent wall
they're requesting a special
use permit to allow three
things outdoor torage and
sales of propane to up to five
53 foot trailers to store hay
and three a saturday farmer's
market from 9 a.m. To 2 p.m. In
a community business be to zone
it's an 8.58 acre parcel parcel
account number is
18
a community business be to zone it's an 8.58 acre parcel parcel account number is 18
01-000a-001 site address is
4860 as well as 4880 and 4900
us highway 41 in dunellen this
is this was a result of a court
case.
It was self generated case so
there's no opposition to this
it was self generated case so there's no opposition to this at the moment storage in
trailers so pull it all to be
heard individually okay.
The next one is 15.2.
Point two case number 26 0206
the next one is 15.2. Point two case number 26 0206 zc mike kirby in amber kirby
point two case number 26 0206 zc mike kirby in amber kirby and roberta peyton is a zoning
change from general culture a-1
to single family dwelling are
one zone for all permitted
uses.
It's a little over four acre
portion of a 6.23 acre parcel.
it's a little over four acre portion of a 6.23 acre parcel. The parcel account number is 30
9279-010-00 so that address is
the parcel account number is 30 9279-010-00 so that address is 80 107 and 8111 east highway 25
belleview, florida 34420.
They're requesting a to rezone
the whole property to r one so
they're requesting a to rezone the whole property to r one so they can put two single family
dwellings on it and they did
sign an affidavit saying that
they would remove the mobile
home that's currently on the
site within 60 days if those
owners approved.
Those are for your
owners approved. Those are for your consideration commissioners 15
those are for your consideration commissioners 15 to 2 or good with anyone in the
public have any items or any
issues with any of these I
to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any issues with any of these I-
to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any think with any of these I-
to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any think then any of these I-
to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any think then we'll f these I-
to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any think then we'll bring e I-
to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any think then we'll bring it -
to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any think then we'll bring it back
to the board of approval if you
guys want move approval 15 to 2
I moved section move 15 to 2 by
commissioner mcclain second by
commissioner bryant.
>> all those in favor signify
by saying I any opposed that
passes unanimously.
>> hey can't let's just take a
look at 15 to 1.
Can we just I don't mind.
>> I love the farmer's market.
can we just I don't mind. >> I love the farmer's market. I love all the other stuff but
I hate these these tractor
broken down tractor trailer
sitting out there or 20 years
and I understand that is
actually one of the the items
that we are excuse me kenneth
gregg services item number
260201 issue that is one of the
things that we had a discussion
with the applicants about there
are unsightly one of the things
there's two alternatives one in
the temporary staff requested
to install a custom head on the
north or excuse me the south
side of the property where
there's a direct visual buffer
between the residences that do
have a line of sight with them.
The intent of the applicant is
actually to install a drive
the intent of the applicant is actually to install a drive through metal building to
dispense of those at some point
in the future although that
time has not been illustrated
or delineated and it was not a
recommendation by staff, it is
not an intent to have this
term.
Is there a long term other than
delivery instead to be replaced
is there a long term other than delivery instead to be replaced by storage f that metal
building at some point in time?
So that could be something that
the board could recommend to
so that could be something that the board could recommend to use.
>> let's just get rid of that
and put the I mean if if we
can get three votes but rather
than do some kind of metal
building or a lean to or
something else like that meets
the standard, those trailers
are just we did not mr.
Chairman we never we never
discussed any kind of timeline
chairman we never we never discussed any kind of timeline .
Would you mind if I
actually
discussed any kind of timeline . Would you mind if I actually
brought the applicant ups or we
would you mind if I actually brought the applicant ups or we yes, we have to remember they
are excellent.
>> come on down.
>> they can probably give us
some remedy quicker.
Hello my name's can't all 6650
southeast u.s. Highway 41
hello my name's can't all 6650 southeast u.s. Highway 41 morrison florida north for we
are the owners of the feed
store it is a feed store and
trailers are part of the feed
store that's where we store a
so in you have had no
complaints have you been out
there and seen them?
Yeah I've seen them all.
They're all over marion county.
yeah I've seen them all. They're all over marion county. Okay but have you seen our
they're all over marion county. Okay but have you seen our property where it's at.
okay but have you seen our property where it's at. Yeah.
Yes okay well that's what I was
yeah. Yes okay well that's what I was we could do anything but that's
yes okay well that's what I was we could do anything but that's that's part of our business.
That's part of our business for
this community is people who
that's part of our business for this community is people who need their hay.
They need their feed.
Yes, they're all over.
they need their feed. Yes, they're all over. But we are essential to our
yes, they're all over. But we are essential to our area and that's part of it and
but we are essential to our area and that's part of it and nobody's complained about it.
Nobody said anything or is
ruining the looks of anything.
nobody said anything or is ruining the looks of anything. >> that was just your opinion?
Yes, sir.
It is my yeah and but if you
yes, sir. It is my yeah and but if you would like I mean if you want
it is my yeah and but if you would like I mean if you want me to paint them but there's no
I don't I don't see the big
problem with it in there we
have discussed I probably even
need more but we have discussed
with him about wo the five
there and then in the future we
are wanting to try to build a
bigger building so it all
can go in there but we got to
understand that these trailers
people will come in and drop
the hay off and then when we
sell it then they come back and
pick it up and replace it with
another trailer to just not
just junkies trailers sitting
out in the middle of the field.
>> I am christina sanders 6650
just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field. >> I am christina sanders 6650-
just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field. Southeast ristina sanders 6650-
just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field. Southeast missouri anders 6650-
just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field. Southeast missouri 41 ers 6650-
just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field. Southeast missouri 41 marston0-
florida we have just discussed
southeast missouri 41 marston0- florida we have just discussed with them visually about
putting something different
there and these railers can be
moved and we can get something
more of a better eye appeal to
replace the hay that's in them
or or whatever you suggest for
us to do.
>> so we don't have a problem
with helping you.
I like what you guys are doing.
I love it.
I just these trailers in the
practice that they use or yeah
it's just terrible.
>> so if we can figure out a
different way to do it but they
don't have the they don't
have
>> so if we can figure out a different way to do it but they don't have the they don't have
the current right to have those
trailers, they're not on the
beach, you know.
>> right.
So you don't have the right my
opinion.
so you don't have the right my opinion. Yes, absolutely because you
don't have the right to have
yes, absolutely because you don't have the right to have them there so I think you need
to make it as unsightly
as possible.
>> you know, understand that
that's what we're trying to
make mr. And mr. Chair, I just
want to verify so people load
that hay up, bring it to you,
leave the trailer taken they
went out that that's the
business model that it's
operating with.
>> but the bottom line is is
that there's always a set of
trailers but hat's what the
special use I mean for them
yeah I live out you get it an
area where I see that often I
mean that that's them on so
hold on a second this happens
to be in my district I have
never not one time gotten an
email or a phone call from a
constituent complaining about
this business.
>> they've come in, they've
self-reported.
They're trying to make it right
.
they're trying to make it right . >> I don't think that we need
to make it harder on them.
We can just plant the heads
though, right?
we can just plant the heads though, right? Like our staff is there and
like I do, I'm willing to do
like our staff is there and like I do, I'm willing to do whatever you want us to do to
increase the line of sight.
>> that's what I'm sure you're
willing to do that you willing
to do whatever whatever you'd
like us to do, make sure it's
as was mentioned before this
was a self generated case of of
course we're not agents are
officer maureen bennett
actually located this area.
There were a few other things
that we noticed in the area
there were a few other things that we noticed in the area upon site visits they've
immediately corrected these
these issues if we have a
screen up please.
This was a temporary fix as far
as staff was concerned.
this was a temporary fix as far as staff was concerned. The the trailers are located in
a revetment on the southern
the the trailers are located in a revetment on the southern portion of the property.
This location the residences
are located around this corner.
this location the residences are located around this corner. This is heavily wooded.
The temporary fix that we were
this is heavily wooded. The temporary fix that we were suggesting was all a customer
the temporary fix that we were suggesting was all a customer by burnham hedge that would
come up on the north side of
this small parcel which is a
lip station and then across the
southern face of their parcel
until uch time as they were
able to have a permanent
building installed and that's
in the permit.
It is, yes, sir.
We're going to go hold on.
it is, yes, sir. We're going to go hold on. Can you bring me up a picture
we're going to go hold on. Can you bring me up a picture of the view along that side
can you bring me up a picture of the view along that side there that you're talking about
having them a lie by burnham
hedge and we've got some others
located right here down in the
lower left corner.
Okay.
>> and you're seeing that from
okay. >> and you're seeing that from that is the first home that's
the driveway of the first
time we're right out in front
of it at that location you're
out in front of the driveway of
the first home.
The driveway is just down to
the bottom.
the driveway is just down to the bottom. You can see it right there
right in front of the hedge.
you can see it right there right in front of the hedge. But I'm in front of the home
when I was taking that photo
but I'm in front of the home when I was taking that photo there's a series of homes that
are extending from north to
south that go up the street.
Yes, ma'am.
They're not working up to it.
yes, ma'am. They're not working up to it. >> that's correct.
they're not working up to it. >> that's correct. Away from the property and so
is it as their view is their
away from the property and so is it as their view is their view that or only when they're
coming out of the driveway is
going down the driveway the
first two homes probably the
first permit I actually walked
up on to the sidewalk near one
of the homes.
The first two homes have a
visual line of sight to this.
the first two homes have a visual line of sight to this. The rest of the homes do not
appear in their yard and as I
the rest of the homes do not appear in their yard and as I mentioned before, staff
recommended we feel like custom
edge and started that location
would completely stop ny kind
of line of sight to those
trailers from that location.
>> okay.
All right then.
Yes, sir.
all right then. Yes, sir. This note to two of the people
yes, sir. This note to two of the people who live on that road or my
this note to two of the people who live on that road or my drivers that leave their truck
or at their place.
So it ain't like they're not
used to seeing trailers.
so it ain't like they're not used to seeing trailers. How long have you been there?
Yeah,we have motion for a year
how long have you been there? Yeah,we have motion for a year and we're planning second by
yeah,we have motion for a year and we're planning second by commission.
So all those in favor signify
by saying I opposed that passed
so all those in favor signify by saying I opposed that passed unanimously.
Thank you for taking care of
that.
thank you for taking care of that. Thank you.
>> thank you.
thank you. >> thank you. All right.
>> wow.
all right. >> wow. You need to relax.
You had too much caffeine on
you need to relax. You had too much caffeine on lunch.
you had too much caffeine on lunch. >> well, he gave it to me.
He gave it and it's been going
on for a while, huh?
he gave it and it's been going on for a while, huh? All right.
And lord, lord have mercy.
all right. And lord, lord have mercy. >> good afternoon.
and lord, lord have mercy. >> good afternoon. Kathleen bagnoli
growth services this is 25 050
kathleen bagnoli growth services this is 25 050 to asu.
This is fish hawk distillery.
This is coming back before you
this is fish hawk distillery. This is coming back before you as the six month update.
this is coming back before you as the six month update. >> so I'm just kind of as a
refresher this was a special
use permit to allow for an
artisanal micro distillery and
an a-1 zoning classification.
The properties there's two
parcels they are located in a
the properties there's two parcels they are located in a rural land land use and general
agriculture a-1 zone.
They're currently listed as I
production with the
they're currently listed as I production with the marion county property
appraisers.
As far as the two parcels that
I just mentioned they are
as far as the two parcels that I just mentioned they are outside the urban growth
boundary.
They're inside the primary
springs protection zone.
they're inside the primary springs protection zone. They're part of westwood acas
north subdivision initially the
they're part of westwood acas north subdivision initially the first as up for this was
granted in 2012.
This is the concept plan
provided over to the left is
this is the concept plan provided over to the left is the western property currently
vacant except for a storage a
storage unit there that they're
using for the business or for
the distillery and then of
course the parcel to the east
is the gift shop, the
distillery itself and a couple
of outbuildings just some site
photos of the property.
>> so we initially posted t
and this is our most recent
posting for this meeting some
of the buildings on site, the
distillery this was the tasting
room and then a couple more
shots of the distillery itself
.
>> so as far as the history
again 2012 was initially the
micro distillery at that
time it was just the 280 square
foot accessory building is
essentially like a hobby.
There were no commercial sales
on sites, no commercial traffic
there were no commercial sales on sites, no commercial traffic on site in 2015 they came back
in for their renewal the same
conditions.
So between 2015 and 2021 there
were a number of buildings that
so between 2015 and 2021 there were a number of buildings that were constructed.
Those were done without
permitting and then sales
those were done without permitting and then sales started taking place on site.
They have that tasting room so
commercial traffic was coming
they have that tasting room so commercial traffic was coming on site.
So at that time and 2021 they
were giving an itemized list of
so at that time and 2021 they were giving an itemized list of things that they needed to
do
so at that time and 2021 they were giving an itemized list of things that they needed to do
to bring that back into
compliance.
That permit expired as of may
2025 and then that's kind of
that permit expired as of may 2025 and then that's kind of bringing us up to date here
2025 they came in or their
renewal.
It was to be heard in may.
We gave them a little bit more
it was to be heard in may. We gave them a little bit more time to try to get things
we gave them a little bit more time to try to get things finalized.
Came before you in august and
then at that time they were
came before you in august and then at that time they were granted the six month period in
which to have one of two things
happen which we'll get into in
a moment.
Of course we had those list of
concerns at the time staff
of course we had those list of concerns at the time staff recommended denial planning and
zoning recommended denial and
that brought us to the six
months.
>> so as of today as of this
meeting we did each out and we
spoke to mr. Pheno.
We had a phone call with him
and I believe it was the ceo
we had a phone call with him and I believe it was the ceo for fish hawk was also on the
call just asking them what the
two conditions that were
provided were.
Option number one, bring the
site into compliance, get that
option number one, bring the site into compliance, get that site plan approval, get those
building permits, get
everything up to code.
The other option that was
provided back in august by the
the other option that was provided back in august by the board was to find an
alternative location that
perhaps worked better for the
distillery to move to.
So during the food conference
we did discuss those two
so during the food conference we did discuss those two options and what had happened
with both of them as of today
there's no site plan review in
process and there's none
approved.
There are also no building
permits that have been pulled.
there are also no building permits that have been pulled. So we did ask why that was.
We were told that the process
so we did ask why that was. We were told that the process itself was cost prohibitive
we were told that the process itself was cost prohibitive just for needing to do things
like reach out to have an
engineer provide a site
plan
just for needing to do things like reach out to have an engineer provide a site plan
the cost of building permits.
So they said that the that
option was cost prohibitive and
so they said that the that option was cost prohibitive and then option two they said that
they did look for some
alternative locations but they
did not find anything that
would match the needs of the
distillery for present or
future.
So currently either of those
things have happened and that's
so currently either of those things have happened and that's where we are today.
Applicant here come on down.
Question for you yeah
applicant here come on down. Question for you yeah commissioner have we ever
question for you yeah commissioner have we ever received any complaints
about
question for you yeah commissioner have we ever received any complaints about
this location?
received any complaints about this location? Yes at our last hearing I oh
I'm sorry.
yes at our last hearing I oh I'm sorry. So in speaking yes people came
up to speak but I don't think
so in speaking yes people came up to speak but I don't think that we've had I don't recall
any written opposition that we
have received no formal
complaints from neighbors or
anything like that.
>> I don't believe so.
>> no.
No.
Only the gunman like some of
no. Only the gunman like some of the gunshots stuff and then the
only the gunman like some of the gunshots stuff and then the building permit?
No, the building permit is not
issued.
no, the building permit is not issued. >> right.
But not complaints from there.
Yeah.
but not complaints from there. Yeah. The neighbors were here at our
yeah. The neighbors were here at our last hearing and they had come
the neighbors were here at our last hearing and they had come they had complaints and there
were concerns.
>> okay.
All right.
Hey, guys.
all right. Hey, guys. Hey, how you doing?
hey, guys. Hey, how you doing? Why did you have it done?
hey, how you doing? Why did you have it done? Joe for, you know, 19375
why did you have it done? Joe for, you know, 19375 northwest highway 335
joe for, you know, 19375 northwest highway 335 williston, florida three two
again 19375 five northwest
highway 335 williston 32696.
>> I am dr. Molineaux.
I'm the ceo of fish hawk
spirits 1102 mary water drive
tampa, florida.
>> do either of you live on the
property?
No, ma'am.
More.
no, ma'am. More. Master distiller matthew bag
more. Master distiller matthew bag damage does that was part of
master distiller matthew bag damage does that was part of the original recipe.
I just want to give you a quick
update so I'm trying to get
close to the microphone.
First of all, thank you for
your time.
first of all, thank you for your time. I'm going to be extremely brief
.
Thank you very much for the
board and the previous boards
thank you very much for the board and the previous boards that allowed us to operate for
over 13 years here in marion
county.
>> we're very appreciative that
we've invested over $4.5
million into this business now
in people equipment inventory
and also into our brand itself
.
>> we've been given six months.
We have exhausted all our
opportunities to try to stir up
we have exhausted all our opportunities to try to stir up some more capital to be able to
renovate the site to meet the
requirements that marion county
has placed on us.
And you know, there there is
nothing that we can do to bring
and you know, there there is nothing that we can do to bring it up to code right now with
you know, the amount of money
that it's going to require.
We've taken the suggestions of
the board from last meeting to
we've taken the suggestions of the board from last meeting to seek alternative locations and
we're actually in negotiations
right now with a couple of
different distilleries and this
is the plan that we are
pursuing.
So it's going to take about 60
days for us to completely
so it's going to take about 60 days for us to completely remove ourself from the
premises, turn it back over to
the landlord.
We already started ramping up
production at the end of last
we already started ramping up production at the end of last year.
We've already laid off one of
our staff members early this
we've already laid off one of our staff members early this year we have another one that's
put in his two week notice
because he's pursuing other
opportunities.
We have transfers and bonds n
place.
we have transfers and bonds n place. That's part of that state and
federal requirement for us to
that's part of that state and federal requirement for us to be able to transfer liquor off
the site in a legal manner
because it's got to be in a
bonded area and bonded and
transfer and I'm going to turn
it over to dr. Molineaux.
I'll answer any questions you
guys have after he gets a
chance to speak.
>> thank you.
And just reiterate what joe
said.
and just reiterate what joe said. Thank you very much for the
opportunity and the years we've
thank you very much for the opportunity and the years we've been here.
We have exhausted all
possibilities.
we have exhausted all possibilities. The site itself doesn't lend
itself to the type of business
the site itself doesn't lend itself to the type of business that we currently have.
We could modify the business
and maybe continue to operate
we could modify the business and maybe continue to operate there but then we have other
problems with buildings we
built septic system e were
told we got to pave from
southwest 27th avenue.
It's almost a mile so it's $1
million a mile to pay for road.
it's almost a mile so it's $1 million a mile to pay for road. These are just unreasonable
requirements.
these are just unreasonable requirements. We can't do it again.
The building that we have will
we can't do it again. The building that we have will not be compliant.
the building that we have will not be compliant. Even if we brought in engineers
we would have to tear it down
even if we brought in engineers we would have to tear it down and then rebuild the building.
Okay.
Very apologetic that we did not
okay. Very apologetic that we did not follow procedures and
very apologetic that we did not follow procedures and protocols.
We were working in an
agricultural zone and we were a
we were working in an agricultural zone and we were a little craft company just
trying to get and get our get
ourselves going.
>> and as joe indicated, we've
spent over $4 million on this
business.
We've only had a few hundred
thousand dollars in actual
we've only had a few hundred thousand dollars in actual revenue when you look at it all
said and done and there's just
no possible way we can do
anything there to meet the
current building requirements
that are placed on us.
So with that said, we've gone
and tried to find other
so with that said, we've gone and tried to find other buildings in marion county,
other locations that we could
maybe move into make
modifications.
We found nothing that's
suitable in marion county so we
we found nothing that's suitable in marion county so we are going to have to move the
business out of marion county
and he distilleries that we're
working with right now to get
this transfer and bond that joe
was talking about will be
outside of marion county.
We are the last distillery left
in marion county and I know you
we are the last distillery left in marion county and I know you guys watch the news and the
whiskey business is terrible
right now the whole alcohol
industry is just dying out and
we're suffering from that and
we don't have any choice but to
try to find some other location
and work with another place to
continue to have our 27 brands
propagate throughout the united
states.
S thank you very much.
We appreciate everything.
s thank you very much. We appreciate everything. You have any questions for me
we appreciate everything. You have any questions for me or any comments from the
you have any questions for me or any comments from the audience?
>> mr. Chair?
Any questions?
I have a question.
any questions? I have a question. I mean I hate that it's come to
this I mean you're a small
craft business.
You grew out of an area and
it's just unfortunate that you
you grew out of an area and it's just unfortunate that you can't bring yourself into
compliance and I hate that and
especially that you have to
take it outside of marion
county.
How long is it going to take
you to exit the property?
how long is it going to take you to exit the property? >> it's going to take us 60
days probably to get the
alcohol and the equipment out
and then probably another 30
days or so to move the other
ancillary equipment.
We do have two lots there.
One of them is a leased lot.
we do have two lots there. One of them is a leased lot. >> the other one where our
one of them is a leased lot. >> the other one where our distiller lives and our
facility is the one next to it
is the lot that we grow the
court on that we actually use
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the court on that we actually use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in rt on that we actually use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the n that we actually use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the whiskey e actually use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the whiskey we ctually use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the whiskey we make ly use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the whiskey we make so use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the whiskey we make so we'll
continue to own that lot and be
able to do agricultural things
like grow corn but clearly we
can't make liquor on that site.
We can't pave a mile highway.
>> it's just inconceivable.
we can't pave a mile highway. >> it's just inconceivable. Yeah, I don't by the way I
don't know that anyone is
yeah, I don't by the way I don't know that anyone is actually to pave a mile road.
>> I yeah actually it's it's in
the documents that we were to
pay from southwest 27th all the
way up to the driveway five
handicapped parking parking
spots handicapped parking spots
regular parking spots it just
it's you don't do that in the
middle of a farm field so and
there's lots of farms out here
that on't have that understand
but well, you're operating a
commercial business in a
residential area.
>> I mean I mean that's the
problem.
Well, kathleen, it's impossible
that you could pull up that one
well, kathleen, it's impossible that you could pull up that one document that has the drc
requirements that we were put
under in order to be compliant.
>> it does it doesn't matter.
>> okay.
We just want to make sure that
you can you know, at the end of
we just want to make sure that you can you know, at the end of the day we've we've tried to
give you we've actually we've
given you years to come into
compliance with the building
permits.
Yes, sir.
You have we have done
yes, sir. You have we have done everything we can.
you have we have done everything we can. You knew for years this process
was coming.
you knew for years this process was coming. Yes, sir.
And we don't want you to leave.
yes, sir. And we don't want you to leave. We don't want you to go.
and we don't want you to leave. We don't want you to go. But you have to come in
we don't want you to go. But you have to come in compliance at some level.
but you have to come in compliance at some level. So I understand you have to
make a business decision
so I understand you have to make a business decision whether to put money into the
current property and bring it
up to code or to go try to do
something else and I respect
the business but I just want to
say I mean we have for years
tried to work with you because
we love what you do.
Thank you.
You know and appreciate what
thank you. You know and appreciate what you do.
you know and appreciate what you do. And so but unfortunately we
can't waive the building code
and so but unfortunately we can't waive the building code for for any longer and that's
kind of what got us to this
point.
We try to give you time and
time and time and time and
we try to give you time and time and time and time and unfortunately we've we've seen
no progress and so we you know
but we'll try to give you the
90 days after that you'll force
our hand into code enforcement
to actually start filing if
that's if that's up to the
board to take public comment.
>> yeah.
Well no, I don't think so.
No.
well no, I don't think so. No. Okay.
no. Okay.
no. Okay. >> sorry.
okay. >> sorry. Any anything else on your side?
I noticed we didn't the time to
any anything else on your side? I noticed we didn't the time to be able to make this move and
make everything happen
correctly because we have a lot
of state and federal
requirements besides the ones
that exist in marion county
with respect to alcohol
production and distribution,
etc. I mean I know we can grow
corn but you know, I don't know
what I'm going to do with it.
> okay.
Questions or comments?
Questions.
questions or comments? Questions. All right.
questions. All right. Anyone in the public want to
all right. Anyone in the public want to speak?
anyone in the public want to speak? Aren't seeing none.
>> we'll bring it back to the
aren't seeing none. >> we'll bring it back to the board for denial and give them
90 days to vacate and to shut
the business down on
enforcement.
>> yep.
Yep.
So madam commissioner, I mean
yep. So madam commissioner, I mean would you be willing to add an
so madam commissioner, I mean would you be willing to add an additional 60 days?
I think 90 days is plenty.
>> he said he needs 60 days to
get his alcohol and all the
equipment off of there and then
an additional 30 days.
>> so I think 90 days is
plenty.
They knew this was coming.
I just would have been
they knew this was coming. I just would have been operating in a residential area
for however many years and
quite frankly I I'm not really
appreciative of the fact that
you made this sound like a
marion county problem because
it's not a marion county
problem.
It's a you problem.
You set up a business in a
it's a you problem. You set up a business in a residential area.
you set up a business in a residential area. You operated this business
where you shouldn't have been
you operated this business where you shouldn't have been operating it and we told you
time and time again look for
alternative locations come into
compliance and you didn't do
it.
So you are here where you are
at because of the decisions
so you are here where you are at because of the decisions that were made by you, your
management team, whomever.
>> so no, I'm good.
May I comment on hat?
Nope.
may I comment on hat? Nope. Okay.
nope. Okay. Thank you, sir.
okay. Thank you, sir. All right.
thank you, sir. All right. All those in favor signify by
all right. All those in favor signify by saying I got a second.
all those in favor signify by saying I got a second. We had a motion by
commissioner o'brien.
we had a motion by commissioner o'brien. I thought you know, I ask if
we
we had a motion by commissioner o'brien. I thought you know, I ask if we
could mr. Curry a second have a
motion by commissioner o'brien
second by commissioner curry.
All those in favor signify by
saying I I any opposed that
all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passed unanimously.
Thank you.
>> thank you very much.
thank you. >> thank you very much. All right.
Next we have 1532 blue sky
all right. Next we have 1532 blue sky
all right. Next we have 1532 blue sky towers
next we have 1532 blue sky towers
towers
.
. >>
. >> we're getting closer and closer to food trucks and
margaritaville and it's getting
closer and closer to 5:00.
>> I guess that's about
perfect, isn't it?
You know, I can work with grow
services.
you know, I can work with grow services. This is item number 15 .3.2 I
think it is you know this is
this is item number 15 .3.2 I think it is you know this is case number 260202 issued a
special use permit request for
a 225 foot tall
telecommunication tower in a
one general agriculture the
location is est highway 40.
We'll get to it and property s
ten acas.
we'll get to it and property s ten acas. We have sent out 35 letters and
we received one letter of
we have sent out 35 letters and we received one letter of opposition which is why it's
not on consent here you can see
the location a little bit
better.
It's west of 140th on the south
side of the road over by
it's west of 140th on the south side of the road over by rainbow park over just south of
animal park.
Here's the land use.
You can see it's rural land
here's the land use. You can see it's rural land which allows for one dwelling
you can see it's rural land which allows for one dwelling unit per ten acas and general
agriculture zoning.
You look at the existing uses
to the south there's mostly
you look at the existing uses to the south there's mostly large lots that are
agricultural production into
te north is rural park which
is a mixture of developed an
undeveloped residential lots.
This is the proposed conceptual
plan so they would have access
this is the proposed conceptual plan so they would have access coming off of highway 40 and
then this second conceptual
plan shows the fall radius
within their leased area for
the most part or think it goes
outside a little bit right
there but on the fall radius
would be within the developed
within the parcel and at 225ft
it would be required to have a
light on top for faa purposes.
And the next map over here
showing this will be read at
and the next map over here showing this will be read at night right?
>> yes, sir.
It would have to flash and we
show that it right.
it would have to flash and we show that it right. >> we do have a condition for
shielding from the ground.
>> okay.
This is showing the distance to
existing at&t towers.
this is showing the distance to existing at&t towers. There's a five miles 4.7 miles,
3.5 and 3.3 miles and we would
there's a five miles 4.7 miles, 3.5 and 3.3 miles and we would have the current coverage for
at&t.
As you can see right here the
applicant is showing that
as you can see right here the applicant is showing that there's a gap in service.
This is showing how that
service would be covered.
this is showing how that service would be covered. Currently the site is wooded
and undeveloped.
currently the site is wooded and undeveloped. >> this is for two hundred 25
foot tower and a1 general
agriculture.
>> it is allowed to be
requested for special use
permit at least space would be
30 600 square foot but an eight
foot security fence around it
and would be lit and staff is
recommending approval.
What conditions we can go
through the conditions if you
what conditions we can go through the conditions if you would like but I believe the
applicant is here for sure.
>> you have any questions of
the commission's or the
conditions applicant here from
on now and an address for the
record please.
>> good afternoon mary soul at
121 south orange avenue suite
1500 orlando, lorida I am the
applicant and I'm legal counsel
for blue sky towers.
Let's say to ramos with blue
sky is with me here today we
let's say to ramos with blue sky is with me here today we are in agreement with all of
the conditions of approval.
We meet all of your code
requirements.
we meet all of your code requirements. Do you have any questions for
me?
do you have any questions for me? We don't need water.
We don't need sewer.
we don't need water. We don't need sewer. We don't have any trailers.
we don't need sewer. We don't have any trailers. I think we're I think we have
we don't have any trailers. I think we're I think we have followed the letter of the law.
>> thank you, ma'am.
>> I'm glad that many attorneys
have a sense of humor.
I do.
>> you have to have one.
So we appreciate that.
That's great.
so we appreciate that. That's great. Hey, by the way, we need one
that's great. Hey, by the way, we need one at&t tower just east of silver
hey, by the way, we need one at&t tower just east of silver springs.
>> all right.
Okay.
Was it is on it it goes that
okay. Was it is on it it goes that every time we the people drive
was it is on it it goes that every time we the people drive through there and our citizens
complain if you can get it up
and going, w'd appreciate it.
>> okay.
All right.
Any questions for I'd love a
all right. Any questions for I'd love a chance to respond to any
any questions for I'd love a chance to respond to any citizens who yeah think we'll
do that anyone in the public
want to speak I this the only
other question we had and just
to make sure lighting right at
night yeah consistent with faa
yes thank you any other
questions or comments?
>> commissioners will take a
motion.
Motion to approve a motion to
approve by commissioner bryant
motion to approve a motion to approve by commissioner bryant second seconded by
commissioner curry.
>> all in favor signify by
saying I opposed think that
passes unanimously.
>> thank you for doing
everything you're supposed to
do.
Can we all right before we
go into this one.
can we all right before we go into this one. >> all right.
Hey guys, we're going to we're
going to be food trucks next
hey guys, we're going to we're going to be food trucks next man.
>> so we're going to take five
minutes.
>> we're going to the restroom
so we can buckle in for this
exciting moment.
>> buckle in.
You
exciting moment. >> buckle in. You like
.
you like . We're not playing again though,
right?
we're not playing again though, right? We're just going.
Yeah.
we're just going. Yeah. All right.
yeah. All right. >> gracious.
all right. >> gracious.
all right. >> gracious. Obviously.
All right, ladies and
obviously. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to to bed we
all right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to to bed we women to 1533 kick it off all
right and we walk across
services this is item 15 .3.3 is
case number 260204 issued is a
special use permit request for
a permanent food truck park and
b one zoning on 2.02 acas.
The applicants are carla garcia
and walter pimentel.
the applicants are carla garcia and walter pimentel. We have notified 47 folks that
says here's opposition in the
we have notified 47 folks that says here's opposition in the zero but that's not true.
We have a a petition with over
100 signatures on it from
we have a a petition with over 100 signatures on it from residents within the
neighborhood to the north
tropicana villas village.
>> these villas well see the
village so the location here is
on highway 44 just east of
southeast 47th avenue.
There's a dollar general on the
northeast quadrant and this is
there's a dollar general on the northeast quadrant and this is adjacent to the dollar general
.
It s inside of the urban
growth boundary just barely and
it s inside of the urban growth boundary just barely and the intended use is for a
permanent food truck park with
up to 24 food trucks.
But but here we can see the
surrounding area.
but but here we can see the surrounding area. There is commercial here to the
west which is the dollar
there is commercial here to the west which is the dollar general and then to the south
there's also a little bit of
commercial to the north is the
tropicana village residential
community and into the west and
south you have other
residential communities and to
the far east over here and the
belleview area is an industrial
commercial park coming in
future land use is commercial
and the zoning is b one hich
allows for restaurants but no
drive thrus and everything must
be completely indoors and as it
is intended to serve
neighborhoods, here's some site
photos.
This is the location the actual
property here and this site
this is the location the actual property here and this site this part this one right here
is looking through north into
the vacant parcel.
>> basically you can see the
the dollar general here and
then the gas station across the
street.
Here's the proposed site plan
originally the request was for
here's the proposed site plan originally the request was for 24 food trucks is the applicant
did back it down to 21.
One key note here is anything
above 15 food trucks would
one key note here is anything above 15 food trucks would require a full traffic study a
15 food trucks and below is a
traffic assessment and they are
proposing 120 seats within the
facility with a dining hall and
permanent restrooms with
parking of 60 spaces and on the
site plan here they're showing
two two buffers the first one
being 25 foot with a six foot
vinyl fence and the second
being another 25ft with a
nother six foot vinyl fence.
One thing to note here is this
site plan does not account for
one thing to note here is this site plan does not account for stormwater if approved they
would need a place to put heir
stormwater and it's likely that
it would be pointers not
working today very well likely
would be in the buffer rea so
that needs to be taken into
account if this is approved
when it comes to access the
applicant would like access
here where there's an existing
apron curb cut for on highway
44 however stuff does not like
that access code they would
need to come in through on
southeast fourth avenue come
through the dollar general and
through parallel access and
enter the site that way.
One issue here this does not
this this access does not meet
one issue here this does not this this access does not meet the distance between access
points for measurement and also
you have the merge lane coming
in from from belleview that is
like right here at the end of
the property and that would be
potentially a very dangerous
access point.
Here's he site with the site
plan on it showing the growing
here's he site with the site plan on it showing the growing the access through dollar
general when we compare this to
other restaurants we're looking
at a high turnover sit down
restaurant.
They might get what 142 seats
they get 55 peak hour trips in
they might get what 142 seats they get 55 peak hour trips in the evening fast food with a
drive through with 103 seats
but get 99.9 peak hour trips
and then you can see here when
we calculate the different food
trucks at nine food trucks 5,
1592 and then at 0 food trucks
you get 123 123 premium peak
hour trips that's comparable to
more of a fast food restaurant
when you come nto the the pm
peak hour trips when parking
looking at the required parking
staff broke it down to
something comparable to a food
truck park like in osceola
county which is right here they
have for food for for parking
spaces for the first vehicle
and then two spaces for each
additional vehicle beyond that
.
And here a proposed 120 seats
and of 20 food trucks they
and here a proposed 120 seats and of 20 food trucks they would need t least 42 parking
spaces and they're offering 60
.
>> it is one when we look at
utilities, the water sewer is
about 1000ft away and they are
within connection distance to
the city of belleview central
water and central waste sewer
water, sewer lines.
The applicant I believe just
not want to connect to
the applicant I believe just not want to connect to centralized water sewer looking
at planning principles within
the rugby his would allow for
a mix of land ses to create
compact commercial areas and
employment hubs that would
strengthen and direct
development towards existing
communities and foster distinct
and communities.
That's what staff's analysis
found.
that's what staff's analysis found. So with that said we have found
that it on its face it would
so with that said we have found that it on its face it would not affect would not adversely
affect a public interest.
It is consistent with a
comprehensive plan and may e
it is consistent with a comprehensive plan and may e or would be compatible with the
surrounding area.
We're recommending approval
would conditions pnc had no
we're recommending approval would conditions pnc had no recommendation they had a33 tie
.
One of the limitations staff
has is that the food trucks
one of the limitations staff has is that the food trucks would be late we're sorry
limited to 15 instead of the
full 2020 or 24 and that we
have hours of operation.
We have other conditions if
you'd like to go through that.
we have other conditions if you'd like to go through that. >> the applicant is here if
you'd like to talk to him and
then of course any questions
for staff if not the applicant
here, come on down.
>> name and address for the
record tell us your
here, come on down. >> name and address for the record tell us your plan
.
. Well,
. Well, first of all, good afternoon, your honor.
well, first of all, good afternoon, your honor. Their honorary commission and
everyone I showed up today.
their honorary commission and everyone I showed up today. >> believe it or not I am very
thankful for everyone showing
another name for the oh yeah,
of course.
I'm orry.
I'm going ahead of myself here.
Walter five four, six, six.
>> blue azura drive.
walter five four, six, six. >> blue azura drive. Why mama?
Florida 33598.
why mama? Florida 33598. Thank you, sir.
florida 33598. Thank you, sir. Yeah, of course.
thank you, sir. Yeah, of course. >> give us last name.
yeah, of course. >> give us last name. Last name pimental p I am ncl
perfect.
last name pimental p I am ncl perfect. >> thank you.
Yes, of course.
Yes, sir.
yes, of course. Yes, sir. >> so what I do like about this
yes, sir. >> so what I do like about this proposal it is very open ended
.
I'm open to anything really and
I really do want to make a
holistically comprehensive plan
and development one that works
for the surrounding
communities, one that works for
the greater region f course
and of course one that follows
health in development code and
all the governing bodies in our
region.
Originally we had a proposal to
have a playground for all the
originally we had a proposal to have a playground for all the kids in the area and all of our
visitors our ommunity behind
us voiced their concern about
noise after certain hour that
playground was going to have a
fence around it nd it was
going to be closed.
The fence and the playground
itself 20 minutes before
the fence and the playground itself 20 minutes before closing but in light and in
lieu of what everyone has
voiced like said, it is a
very open ended project and I'm
very open minded to everything
and the concerns of our
community.
We've gotten rid of the
playground itself on top of
we've gotten rid of the playground itself on top of that we've gone ahead and we've
done two buffers to 25 foot
buffers which I don't want to
speak for everyone but that's
that's a pretty big buffer and
it's a total of 50 50 foot
buffer approximately 14,000ft2
of buffer area and I'm
proposing two different fences
one at the 25 foot mark and one
at a 50 foot mark as well.
We have brought down the the
amount of proposed food trucks
we have brought down the the amount of proposed food trucks to 2024 could add traffic to
the area.
So obviously we're very
cautious like I said, we are
so obviously we're very cautious like I said, we are down to 20 and ithin our
market study and our business
study 20 is what we need to
operate within business sense
and business bounds.
Like said we are a full
operational we plan on being
like said we are a full operational we plan on being there for for a while for
decades to come.
This is a heavy investment
obviously not $24 million like
this is a heavy investment obviously not $24 million like the previous gentleman I'm just
a kid that grew up in a low
income family and worked his
way up in the world and intend
to keep it so it's about
600,000 as far as development
costs go and I mean for someone
like me or someone like us
that's pretty half the amount
we are.
We know we understand that all
of the conditions are public
we know we understand that all of the conditions are public that would deter most
developers and most
entrepreneurs.
That's one we welcome.
Actually there probably can.
that's one we welcome. Actually there probably can. The reason we didn't run away
actually there probably can. The reason we didn't run away from it is because we had
the reason we didn't run away from it is because we had good
actually there probably can. The reason we didn't run away from it is because we had good
the reason we didn't run away from it is because we had good intention and we need to do
well and we plan on being there
for or decades to come like I
said.
>> and of course the investment
itself that's not monopoly
money for us that's a real
investment and down could drag
us into the hole if we're not
successful.
So having said that, we do have
nothing but great intentions on
so having said that, we do have nothing but great intentions on being there for while and
complying not just with the
conditions but also with
ongoing and rolling concerns
for the community we intend on
having an office which will be
open to the public and very
accessible a lot of the members
of our community behind us they
have my phone number, they have
my email.
I'm very accessible.
I'll be there all the time.
They can come and talk to me
whenever any concern that I
they can come and talk to me whenever any concern that I can take care of in the future
I will do so in a comprehensive
way the way I've been doing it
so far it is of no that this
project has a predecessor.
I don't talk negatively of
anyone as a predecessor and we
intend on picking that up and
doing it the right way not
taking a single shortcut.
We have not taken a shortcut.
This has been a very arduous,
we have not taken a shortcut. This has been a very arduous, very tough and challenging
this has been a very arduous, very tough and challenging process where we you know, it's
a business but we have to meet
all of the development and
health codes and then of course
we all have to meet in the
middle and we've been doing
this for quite some time now.
Like I said, we're very formal
and want to be there for quite
like I said, we're very formal and want to be there for quite a long time.
>> we will be employing about 7
or 8 employees that would be
property management employees,
maintenance crew and janitorial
crew.
We intend on keeping the
property clean all the time and
we intend on keeping the property clean all the time and really whenever we're open
before we're open, after we're
done with the day's operation,
we intend to be in cleveland
all at once.
We will we will have a
management company taking care
we will we will have a management company taking care of the place, making sure we're
always up to par with all the
conditions that have been
placed upon us.
>> with that being said, I do
want to make a note that the
hours of operation the proposed
hours of operation are monday
through thursday from 10 to 9
p.m., 10 a.m. To 9 p.m. And I
did that because I know there's
a retirement community behind
us and they're retired and that
is our sleep and in lieu of
that I brought up the 10 a.m.
Opening hours monday through
thursday 10 a.m. At 9 p.m.
opening hours monday through thursday 10 a.m. At 9 p.m. Friday and saturday 10 a.m. To
9:30 p.m. And then sunday 10
friday and saturday 10 a.m. To 9:30 p.m. And then sunday 10 a.m. To 8:30 p.m..
I think those are
pretty comprehensive hours
again as part of a holistic
strategy of making sure that we
take care of our community not
just the whole region because I
know the whole region is going
to want to be there but our
community as a whole as well
our surrounding community we
will have ada compliant
bathrooms two of them one for a
gentleman, one for ladies.
We will have four handicapped
parking spots with an aisle so
we will have four handicapped parking spots with an aisle so that our community with special
needs may enjoy our place
as well.
Obviously we're going to have
ramps around the dining hall,
obviously we're going to have ramps around the dining hall, the bathrooms so that the whole
place is accessible to everyone
and we care very much about the
flow and interface between our
patrons and the place itself
and I think we've done a
pretty good job of creating one
that does that.
Having said that, our food
vendors are to be inspected
having said that, our food vendors are to be inspected periodic periodically and
actually I'm the one to impose
this periodically by the health
and fire department as mandated
by applicable restaurant
industry standards.
We will have a victorian era
style they saw it victorian era
we will have a victorian era style they saw it victorian era style sidewalk lamp placed in
front of every food vendor
along the sidewalks an
ornamental tree planted near
each corner of the dining hall
all of the different variety we
want this place to be different
everywhere you look and unique
in every angle 20 varied food
want this place to be different everywhere you look and unique in every angle 20 varied food-
want this place to be different everywhere you look and unique vendors angle 20 varied food-
want this place to be different everywhere you look and unique vendors and le 20 varied food-
want this place to be different everywhere you look and unique vendors and it 20 varied food-
want this place to be different everywhere you look and unique vendors and it is varied food-
want this place to be different everywhere you look and unique vendors and it is of ied food-
want this place to be different everywhere you look and unique vendors and it is of no food-
want this place to be different everywhere you look and unique vendors and it is of no that -
want this place to be different everywhere you look and unique vendors and it is of no that we
will be searching for american
cuisine before we go abroad.
I'm one of the biggest patrons
will ever be america first at
all times and it's nothing
personal but we will be looking
for a new england coastal
cuisine texas barbecue creative
hamburger waste cuisine
louisiana cajun cuisine
pizzeria pennsylvania dutch
cuisine pastry and coffee shop.
>> and then of course we will
start going abroad asian
cuisine, mexican cuisine,
caribbean cuisine, central and
south american cuisine and
european vendors among many
others.
One of our main one of my main
one of our main goals here is
one of our main one of my main one of our main goals here is to be very varied have a lot of
variety, make sure there's no
too many of one thing because
we want to place everyone in
our region and we do have a
special a few special
considerations in mind given
the fact that I'm just here
every day american I'm not a
corporation.
I do not come from money.
I have worked my way up from a
mobile home where ten of us
live and that's where I come
from.
So in lieu of that I would like
to have the following special
so in lieu of that I would like to have the following special considerations we asked that we
may have an initial in period
of five years instead of three.
This is due to the time period
it will take to permit,
this is due to the time period it will take to permit, construct and finally open to
our community and also due to
the formal and sizable
investment that we will make
upon for development we asset
in consideration of the 50 foot
buffer and its two line of
fences one at the 25 foot mark
and one at the 50 foot mark
that we may be given a waiver
for the mason wall.
It is of note that we are also
proposing a chain link fence at
it is of note that we are also proposing a chain link fence at the very front and sides of the
whole compound for safekeeping
and to be able to close the
entry gate to public access 20
minutes before closing so that
way we ensure that we are
following what we propose at
all times.
It ill be like clockwork 20
minutes before closing time no
it ill be like clockwork 20 minutes before closing time no one else will be allowed in,
will be allowed in.
This is a one way driveway so
the entry get will be closed 20
this is a one way driveway so the entry get will be closed 20 minutes before closing time and
again those are
pretty comprehensive and very
limited hours but alas
something that I'm willing to
work with we ask that we are
able to get the here's the bill
the boogeyman that always keeps
coming back.
We asked that we are able to
connect to a water well with a
we asked that we are able to connect to a water well with a filtration system and a septic
tank for the first five years
we asked that we are able to
connect to our local water and
sewer systems between year five
and six.
This is obviously as part of a
five year business plan
this is obviously as part of a five year business plan as right now the closest per
the city of belleview, the
closest connection point for
both water and sewer sewage are
at 1006 hundred and 30ft.
>> that's 1630ft.
That's I mean that's
pretty cost prohibitive for any
that's I mean that's pretty cost prohibitive for any corporation.
Never mind someone like
ourselves at this point in
never mind someone like ourselves at this point in water sewer connection of this
magnitude is understandably
cost prohibitive worth it is
cost prohibitive for us and
that is of note that I myself
proposed and insisted on
providing clean water for the
greater safety of our
community.
For this project's very
inception we will be providing
for this project's very inception we will be providing water to all of the food
vendors and we will also be
clean water of course and we
will also be providing
electrical hookups 30 amp 50
amp hookups that way there is
virtually zero noise coming out
of our compound that is 50ft of
buffer space two separate
fences that is no not a single
generator site.
Everything will be underground
electric joint underground
everything will be underground electric joint underground infrastructure that is very
expensive as revenue up our
cost but I'll be this is
something we're okay with
because again we re here to do
right by the community and if
you want to you know if people
talk about traffic okay is now
the number two most moved to
region in the whole country I
can't stop it no of course not
that developers are developing
left and right.
We can't stop that at all.
So as far as traffic goes, I do
we can't stop that at all. So as far as traffic goes, I do apologize.
so as far as traffic goes, I do apologize. There's not much any of us in
the area could do about that.
there's not much any of us in the area could do about that. What I can do is mitigate noise
which I completely have
what I can do is mitigate noise which I completely have mitigate buffering which not
many actually implement more
buffering which I completely
have done and we're going to be
providing clean water
electricity with no noise where
we providing park service that
is a centralized company, a
centralized subcontractor
company by ourselves by the
management company company that
guarantees that all the trucks
are pumped out at the right
time and it's done in a
professional manner.
We're not going to let anyone
just do what they want to do
we're not going to let anyone just do what they want to do the dining hall itself was and
actually I did the scientist
myself I did take a little bit
credit for that.
I'm not an architect.
I'm not a civil engineer so the
scientist myself and I designed
a second one myself as well.
The what we're looking at now
and the goal of the dining hall
the what we're looking at now and the goal of the dining hall is to control the flow and the
movement of the whole place and
to make sure that it is always
clean and sanitize from the
center out.
And this also does make it
easier on us.
and this also does make it easier on us. >> we're looking to build eight
bathrooms.
That's what was recommended by
the county and that's what we
that's what was recommended by the county and that's what we will be doing.
And let's see ere we have all
the easements necessary 20 foot
and let's see ere we have all the easements necessary 20 foot by front of 50ft buffer on the
north side towards tropicana
village and we would like a
special consideration for the
entrance at 484.
I'm not going to go further
into detail whether it's just
a
entrance at 484. I'm not going to go further into detail whether it's just a
developer or another one.
I think a special consideration
should be given the fact that
the lep at dollar general it's
not the biggest as everyone
here knows it is
pretty congested as it is a lot
of delivery trucks have trouble
coming in and out and the last
thing I would want is a kid an
emergency vehicle got her
better as an emergency to not
be able to get through because
because of the bottleneck
effect that this cross access
will create and besides
that
because of the bottleneck effect that this cross access will create and besides that
just five years where the
water
effect that this cross access will create and besides that just five years where the water
well with a filtration system a
proper septic tank I was
hearing about the specific
requirements you guys were
talking about with their
previous gentlemen we're okay
with that between year five and
six we will go ahead and take
o 2630ft endeavor.
We're not against that at all.
We just need the financing
we're not against that at all. We just need the financing capacity to do it.
we just need the financing capacity to do it. We're not looking to avoid,
evade and take any shortcuts we
we're not looking to avoid, evade and take any shortcuts we have not done that at all.
We have done this n a proper
manner by gathering everyone
we have done this n a proper manner by gathering everyone here today and the last during
the last meeting I wasn't as we
payers today I didn't know what
the concerns were going to be.
I think I've taken a
pretty holistic approach at
making sure that we meet the
county's demands of our local
communities demands and I mean
I'm sure as heck this is going
to meet all of our regional
demands.
A lot of people have messaged
me, a lot of people have called
a lot of people have messaged me, a lot of people have called me and support unfortunately
fortunately because of the 2:00
time a lot of them are at work.
They can't be here today.
Having said that, I appreciate
they can't be here today. Having said that, I appreciate the county for having given me
having said that, I appreciate the county for having given me this opportunity to be here and
I appreciate everyone who has
shown up and has been very
civil and that's the way I
intended to be at all times.
>> thank you so much.
Thank you.
Yeah.
thank you. Yeah. All right, commissioners, any
yeah. All right, commissioners, any questions?
all right, commissioners, any questions? >> we'll take public comment
first.
Yes.
first. Yes. Do you own the property or is
yes. Do you own the property or is it subject to I'm sorry, sir.
do you own the property or is it subject to I'm sorry, sir. Do you own the property now?
>> my auntie and I own it.
do you own the property now? >> my auntie and I own it. Yes, sir.
Yeah.
yes, sir. Yeah. >> all right.
yeah. >> all right. Yeah.
All right.
yeah. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, I do have
all right. Ladies and gentlemen, I do have a list of if you would just sit
ladies and gentlemen, I do have a list of if you would just sit here if you come up if you'll
take notes or try to answer the
questions of the people the
best you can when you come
back.
Okay?
back. Okay? Yes, sir.
okay? Yes, sir. All right.
yes, sir. All right. We're going to take public
all right. We're going to take public comments so the way this is
we're going to take public comments so the way this is going to work as we get into
these bigger, you know,
hearings where we have multiple
people signed up.
I'm going to call your ames
out.
I'm going to call them out 2 or
3 at a time.
Okay.
So we have two podiums.
okay. So we have two podiums. You come to both podiums.
so we have two podiums. You come to both podiums. I'm also call the next person
you come to both podiums. I'm also call the next person on deck so you know you're on
deck.
Okay.
deck. Okay. And we're going to rotate
okay. And we're going to rotate through this as fast as we can.
and we're going to rotate through this as fast as we can. We don't take comments from the
from the audience.
we don't take comments from the from the audience. All right.
Pamela newell yes.
all right. Pamela newell yes. Come on down.
pamela newell yes. Come on down. Randy steward, margaret
come on down. Randy steward, margaret cardenas, you'll be on deck.
randy steward, margaret cardenas, you'll be on deck. All right.
If you come down to the podium
all right. If you come down to the podium name, address, record remember
if you come down to the podium name, address, record remember this is a quasi judicial
hearing.
We need to hear three things.
Is it compatible with the comp
we need to hear three things. Is it compatible with the comp plan?
is it compatible with the comp plan? Is it in the public interest
and is it compatible with the
is it in the public interest and is it compatible with the surrounding areas?
This is the decision and the
legal decision that the county
this is the decision and the legal decision that the county commission can make.
>> yes, ma'am.
Cme to this podium, don.
Yes, ma'am.
cme to this podium, don. Yes, ma'am. Go ahead.
yes, ma'am. Go ahead. Name and address.
go ahead. Name and address. >> good afternoon.
name and address. >> good afternoon. Thank you, commissioners, for
letting me speak.
thank you, commissioners, for letting me speak. My name is pamela noel and I
live in tropicana village.
my name is pamela noel and I live in tropicana village. I'd like to summarize the
traffic impact analysis for
this project.
>> address darlin.
Name address please.
>> address 13350 southeast 49th
name address please. >> address 13350 southeast 49th court belleview, florida 34420.
>> perfect.
Thank you so much.
>> I'd like o summarize the
thank you so much. >> I'd like o summarize the traffic impact analysis for
this project.
What's missing?
There is no published f d o t
what's missing? There is no published f d o t marion county safety audit
there is no published f d o t marion county safety audit specifically for this
intersection.
>> that means no official crash
rate calculations, no signal
warrant analysis and no
engineering determinations for
this site.
Study shows this site is
expected to germinate generate
study shows this site is expected to germinate generate 160 plus trips during peak
hours which means we must
carefully manage how traffic
uses the exits and property.
Where were the key
intersections on county road or
where were the key intersections on county road or 84 and 47th avenue?
Well they seemed to handle the
additional volume mitigation on
well they seemed to handle the additional volume mitigation on these roads are required.
>> this includes turn and lane
improvements and signal timing
adjustments to maintain safe
and efficient flow.
>> also reviewed is access
management making sure driveway
spacing and site distance meet
county standards.
Proper spacing is essential to
reduce conflict points and keep
proper spacing is essential to reduce conflict points and keep traffic moving safely inside
the site.
The layout must prevent
stacking meaning vehicles
the layout must prevent stacking meaning vehicles cannot be allowed to back p on
county road for a 47 avenue
adequate road up clear site
length and internal irculation
design will ensure traffic
stays within the site and does
not spill on to the roadway.
I oppose the food truck park in
this location.
Thank you again for this time.
>> so just so you know and for
thank you again for this time. >> so just so you know and for the rest of the audience I know
you're asking about some of the
traffic concerns they would
have to do a complete traffic
study.
They would have to if it got
approved.
they would have to if it got approved. Right.
approved. Right. They would have to make those
right. They would have to make those accommodations as our staff has
they would have to make those accommodations as our staff has already recommend.
I'm assuming the county
engineer his office that that a
entrance off directly off a 44
at that curve would be
dangerous.
So I think that our staff would
recommend probably against that
so I think that our staff would recommend probably against that and that's why they're saying
hey you probably need to
go through the cross access
easement through dollar general
but what all of those things
would get handled in a traffic
study just if it did get
approved.
>> and that would be for
anybody's case.
Yeah, whenever we do a
development they have to meet
yeah, whenever we do a development they have to meet those land development
code
yeah, whenever we do a development they have to meet those land development code
regulations.
>> thank you again.
All right.
The next person on deck would
all right. The next person on deck would be mark barton.
the next person on deck would be mark barton. >> yes, ma'am.
My name is margaret guardian at
4812 southeast 100th place
my name is margaret guardian at 4812 southeast 100th place belleview in tropicana village.
>> I want to focus on one core
issue the pedestrian safety and
legal compliance.
The intersection of southeast
highway 44 and southeast 47th
the intersection of southeast highway 44 and southeast 47th avenue is a high speed
multi-lane highway.
>> it has no pedestrian
crosswalks, no pedestrian
signals, imited sidewalks,
poor lighting, no refuge lanes
and a documented history of
pedestrian fatalities.
Under florida department of
transportation rules,
under florida department of transportation rules, pedestrians are expected on all
state roadways unless it is a
limited access highway one
pedestrian infrastructure is
not provided.
Fda requires formal design
variation and there are only
fda requires formal design variation and there are only three allowable reasons.
>> none of those apply here
especially when pedestrian
oriented business like a food
truck park is being introduced.
>> this project would increase
pedestrian traffic, not reduce
it.
>> there is also the americans
with disabilities act to
consider ada is a civil rights
law.
If pedestrians are expected and
they will be then accessible
if pedestrians are expected and they will be then accessible routes curb rants continuous
sidewalks lighting safe
crossing with signals are
legally required.
This intersection is not ada
compliant.
this intersection is not ada compliant. This location is especially
dangerous at night during peak
this location is especially dangerous at night during peak dining hours and when families
and children are present.
High speeds multi lanes and
turning traffic create a
high speeds multi lanes and turning traffic create a serious risk of injury or
death.
>> in closing, think of this
as a car and truck dominated
highway where you're about to
inject a lot of pedestrian
foot.
>> thank you for your time.
>> thank you, ma'am.
Gojo you'll be up next.
Yes, sir.
gojo you'll be up next. Yes, sir. >> go ahead.
yes, sir. >> go ahead. Name and address.
Okay.
name and address. Okay. Name randy stewart.
okay. Name randy stewart. Address 13350 southeast 49th
name randy stewart. Address 13350 southeast 49th court belleview, florida.
address 13350 southeast 49th court belleview, florida. My name is randy stewart and I
want to thank you
my name is randy stewart and I want to thank you commissioners, for letting me
speak.
I served in the u.s. Army under
a secret clearance stationed at
fort bragg, north carolina.
After leaving the army, I
became a commercial diver
after leaving the army, I became a commercial diver performing duties for large
corporations throughout the
u.s..
I've owned my own construction
company for 40 years.
The reason I'm getting into
this I learned that details are
the reason I'm getting into this I learned that details are the most important part of
business and leadership
positions.
Details ept me alive.
A stop lawsuits.
details ept me alive. A stop lawsuits. They protected employees and
a stop lawsuits. They protected employees and they helped design long lasting
they protected employees and they helped design long lasting projects.
My concern for this food truck
park our roads merging lanes,
my concern for this food truck park our roads merging lanes, fire and ambulance access
crosswalks at the lights truck
and trailer parking congestion
crime and accidents.
We in tropicana village are not
against the business we're just
we in tropicana village are not against the business we're just against the food truck park.
>> we hope that all the details
are considered to achieve the
findings for the proper
decisions not for revenue alone
but for the safety of
communities vehicle and road
safety, public safety and
safety in general.
>> being mindful as well of the
marion county growth, we asked
the good commissioners what are
our assurances that all of
the
marion county growth, we asked the good commissioners what are our assurances that all of the
rules, regulations and statutes
will be followed?
At the I-75 food truck park.
It's now closed down because
at the I-75 food truck park. It's now closed down because they didn't follow these rules
it's now closed down because they didn't follow these rules logs and regulations.
>> here is the paperwork
containing the findings that we
all from tropicana came up with
and I'd like to give these to
the carmel county
commissioners.
>> you can hand them to our
county minister asthma and so
anyway, I would just like to
finish my time with this.
>> honestly, any business is
we're not against the business.
It's just this business, this
particular type.
we're not against the business. It's just this business, this particular type.-
we're not against the business. It's just this business, this >> ticular type.-
we're not against the business. It's just this business, this >> it ular type.-
we're not against the business. It's just this business, this >> it just type.-
we're not against the business. It's just this business, this >> it just addresses way too
it's just this business, this >> it just addresses way too little and creates a lot of
crime and different things.
So that's all I have to say.
>> thank you for.
so that's all I have to say. >> thank you for. All right.
Thank you.
all right. Thank you. Yes, sir.
thank you. Yes, sir. You are up next.
yes, sir. You are up next. >> name and address for the
you are up next. >> name and address for the record.
And by the way, everybody
everybody gets two minutes.
and by the way, everybody everybody gets two minutes. You'll see that the green light
turns the yellow, right?
you'll see that the green light turns the yellow, right? That means red is coming.
Red means stop.
that means red is coming. Red means stop. Okay.
red means stop. Okay. So that gives you your two
okay. So that gives you your two minutes helps to guide you
so that gives you your two minutes helps to guide you through this process.
>> yes, sir.
Okay.
>> my name is mark ryden and
okay. >> my name is mark ryden and it's 13117 south east 49th
court and belleview.
>> perfect.
>> okay.
I'd like to thank the
commissioners for every seen
everybody today.
I really appreciate that.
Okay.
The guidance for used oil
okay. The guidance for used oil grease from this charter 62710
the guidance for used oil grease from this charter 62710 are facilities with and p.
D.
S permits no person may
d. S permits no person may discharge used oil on the
s permits no person may discharge used oil on the ground septics in the sewers,
septic tanks or any type of
drainage oc must have a license
to be a hauler to haul all this
grease okay and self cleaners.
Section 4030741 regional it's
the removal and transport its
section 4030741 regional it's the removal and transport its own grease as long as it's less
than 55 gallons if they do it
themselves haulers must have a
license documentation for
removal and disposal of the
grease.
Okay.
grease. Okay. A disposal facility must be
okay. A disposal facility must be permitted and certified to
a disposal facility must be permitted and certified to collect the grease must have a
manifest of where the grease
was picked up and where it's
going.
>> okay, that's that's my say
right there.
Ys, sir.
So so just so you know, I mean
ys, sir. So so just so you know, I mean obviously we're not you know
so so just so you know, I mean obviously we're not you know we're not in the food truck.
The county commission itself
we're not in the food truck
the county commission itself we're not in the food truck regulation business.
They are licensed through the
state of florida and those
they are licensed through the state of florida and those requirements will be held by
the I believe the department of
health.
Is that correct, tracy?
So so the department of health
is that correct, tracy? So so the department of health does the inspections on trucks.
so so the department of health does the inspections on trucks. They're the ones that make sure
the manifest is correct that
they're the ones that make sure the manifest is correct that make sure all those things
happen.
>> so if if any food truck
parked anywhere ever got
permitted the department of
health would be the one just
like the restaurant business,
right?
They'd be the one regulating
and making sure that they kept
they'd be the one regulating and making sure that they kept up with the grease and all the
other health inspection items
for food trucks and or
restaurants.
>> okay.
For your information, thank
you, sir.
for your information, thank you, sir. I'm glad you explained that to
everybody and I appreciate
that.
>> I know there's lots of
questions out there.
Okay.
Thank you.
okay. Thank you. >> mr. Weston is up next.
thank you. >> mr. Weston is up next. Sanley.
Yes, sir.
sanley. Yes, sir. >> good afternoon.
yes, sir. >> good afternoon. My name is scott jewell.
I live at 13031 southeast 49th
my name is scott jewell. I live at 13031 southeast 49th court.
I recently retired from the
federal government as an
environmental safety and
compliance administrator for
the past 20 years with the
department f justice.
>> we are an adult community
that has been in existence
since 1986.
We are governed by five member
board elected by our residents
we are governed by five member board elected by our residents and have 111 homes which is
consisting of 174 voting
constituents.
We alue and expect a specific
quality of life and wish to
we alue and expect a specific quality of life and wish to protect and maintain the same.
>> the food truck proposal
which will be adjacent to our
park has become a serious
concern.
A committee has been formed and
formed information research
a committee has been formed and formed information research thoroughly and compiled into a
report that we will present to
you today for review several
committee members will be
making presentations today.
Communication has been
presented to a targeted
communication has been presented to a targeted audience consisting of only
three senior residents.
The developer has come or the
developer has come to our
the developer has come or the developer has come to our private clubhouse with written
proposals or changes to the
site plan at the front entrance
of our park is signage that
clearly states that
solicitation is not allowed.
His intimidation tactic to this
targeted audience has raised
his intimidation tactic to this targeted audience has raised safety concerns.
Perception is everything I know
workshops or eetings have been
perception is everything I know workshops or eetings have been established by two county
commissioners and developer
with our community.
Funding for this endeavor has
not been transparent and the
funding for this endeavor has not been transparent and the taxpayers of marion county all
complaints will be irected to
the stakeholders for example
the state of florida, the board
of health, the fire
marshal
the stakeholders for example the state of florida, the board of health, the fire marshal
osha and the department of
environmental protection in
order to be transparent to the
taxpayers a public vote by the
commissioners should be held.
>> thank you for your time.
That's what we're doing here
today, sir.
that's what we're doing here today, sir. Having a public vote.
>> mr. Watson, you're up next.
having a public vote. >> mr. Watson, you're up next. >> theresa bush you'll be on
deck.
>> well, to the next podium,
please.
Okay.
please. Okay. My name is stanley weston.
okay. My name is stanley weston. My wife and I reside at 1305
my name is stanley weston. My wife and I reside at 1305 8000 east 49th court in
my name is stanley weston. My wife and I reside at 1305 8000 east 49th court in-
my name is stanley weston. My wife and I reside at 1305 tropicana 49th court in-
my name is stanley weston. My wife and I reside at 1305 tropicana village. T in-
my wife and I reside at 1305 tropicana village. T in- >> we are both taxpaying
residents of marion county.
I am speaking about the b1
zoning designation for the 2.02
acre site under review within
the guidelines within the
guidelines established
previously by the planning
commissions in this county be
one designation is for
neighborhood businesses small
scale local commercial
businesses operating within the
confines of their interior
spaces nothing in outside
spaces.
Your examples stated in b1
zoning are a bank barber salon
your examples stated in b1 zoning are a bank barber salon bakery, medical and business
offices and etc. A b1 special
use variance deviates from
these guidelines.
The property is surrounded by
residential areas needing
the property is surrounded by residential areas needing services that are brick and
mortar established businesses
food and truck truck trailers
do not comply with the
commission's designate
designation 4b1 zoning and are
not needed near our community.
All we ask is that you that
this commission follow their
all we ask is that you that this commission follow their own previous designation.
>> thank you.
>> thank you sir harrell
caraway will be up next.
>> yes.
Yes ma'am.
Afternoon.
yes ma'am. Afternoon. My name
yes ma'am. Afternoon. My name is 206 southeast 47th
afternoon. My name is 206 southeast 47th terrace and belleview 34420.
my name is 206 southeast 47th terrace and belleview 34420. >> ma'am, could you pull the
microphone a little bit closer?
Okay.
Thank you.
okay. Thank you. I am a resident of tropicana
thank you. I am a resident of tropicana tropicana village of 55 and
over community.
You could tell we're very
passionate about this are
you could tell we're very passionate about this are safety concerns or tropicana
village residents have
expressed concern that
permanent food trucks in
florida are facing crime.
Rising crime crime in florida
food truck ones include
rising crime crime in florida food truck ones include serious violations incidents,
theft of equipment allegations
of such areas function
as common nuisances due to
chronic criminal activity.
>> that's the second time I
just I just want to
chronic criminal activity. >> that's the second time I just I just want to make sure
that you guys now this is a
quasi judicial hearing so we
have to have actual evidence if
you can provide evidence of
increased crime no problem.
But this is a zoning hearing
and we do need to stick with
but this is a zoning hearing and we do need to stick with facts hearsay with all due
respect, as the attorney
illustrated earlier is not a
fact.
Okay.
fact. Okay. So if you don't have proof with
okay. So if you don't have proof with number of crime stats and fdle
so if you don't have proof with number of crime stats and fdle information reports, then it
really I mean I don't want to
waste your time but it's not
admissible.
We can't use it as fact.
Does that make sense?
we can't use it as fact. Does that make sense? I just want you to know I mean
does that make sense? I just want you to know I mean I don't want to be a but at
the end of the day we have to
we can only make these
decisions based on a set of
criteria and facts.
>> okay.
So some of the stuff that's
being mentioned right now is
so some of the stuff that's being mentioned right now is hearsay and we can't use it.
Okay.
Well I will skip my next
okay. Well I will skip my next paragraph.
well I will skip my next paragraph. Okay.
paragraph. Okay. Belleview has an acted stricter
okay. Belleview has an acted stricter ordinances banning food trucks
belleview has an acted stricter ordinances banning food trucks not owned by the vendor to curb
theft and complaints and april
2025 a deadly shooting occurred
at a food truck gathering and
made miami dade resulting in
two deaths.
These mobile home businesses
are particularly vulnerable
these mobile home businesses are particularly vulnerable during off hours especially
when parked in unattended
poorly lit areas on outskirts
of commercial or in residential
areas.
Security measures should
increase include increased
security measures should increase include increased security with enhanced
lighting, fencing and cameras,
low security storage trucks
parked in open and monitored
lots easy access points order
vehicles often lack advanced
built in security making them
easy for breaking low visible
values which include cash tip
jars equipment left in plain
sight as a resident of
tropicana village I am against
a food truck behind our 5 and
over community.
>> thank you.
Thank you for your time.
>> all right.
thank you for your time. >> all right. >> tom hill will be the
following.
Yes, ma'am.
> kyra crawley I live at 13097
yes, ma'am. > kyra crawley I live at 13097 some of these following night
court and basically I'm doing
the crime thing too.
But what you said we're like
repeating ourselves so yes,
but what you said we're like repeating ourselves so yes, ma'am, I'm just I guess maybe
I'm just waving denial that you
don't like it.
Yes.
No, and I.
yes. No, and I. I come home.
no, and I. I come home. Do I work a day, night hours
and I come home nine 10:00 at
do I work a day, night hours and I come home nine 10:00 at night sometimes and there's I
can tell you at least once or
twice a week those police cars
and the dollar general parking
lot that back area I took
pictures the other day.
It shows laura with all kinds
of stuff.
it shows laura with all kinds of stuff. There is just not a good place
for that part to come in.
there is just not a good place for that part to come in. >> thank you.
Yes, please if you have if you
if you're going to make
yes, please if you have if you if you're going to make criminal allegations, you need
to bring criminal support.
I's me, sir.
>> all right.
Marlene turin.
Is that right?
marlene turin. Is that right? >> if I said that right?
is that right? >> if I said that right? Yes, sir.
Okay.
yes, sir. Okay. My name is tom hills.
okay. My name is tom hills. I live at 13179 southeast 49th
my name is tom hills. I live at 13179 southeast 49th court belleview.
>> I have my two minute speech
here but it's been touched on
quite a bit.
>> but I want to reiterate it
just because the developer
wants to get like special
permission from you about that
entry way off before 84.
>> that's correct.
>> and plus I want to get rid
of this stupid thing but yes,
I'll just reiterate merging
traffic coming in here, the
entrances here you can't, you
know, even start to merge to
go into the other lane till you
get 356ft away from the
entrance and then also anybody
coming from this way going
westbound who would want to
go into that would be utting
right straight across the
traffic there.
>> so I'll get rid of this too.
Thank you sir.
Appreciate it.
thank you sir. Appreciate it. Be a bit of work.
appreciate it. Be a bit of work. Steven.
be a bit of work. Steven. Did you receive a traffic?
steven. Did you receive a traffic? Can you just address the curve?
did you receive a traffic? Can you just address the curve? Let me let me help us out here.
can you just address the curve? Let me let me help us out here. >> let me fast forward this
let me let me help us out here. >> let me fast forward this little bit and let me have my
county engineer just come up
quickly and give us a testimony
in regards to the traffic at
that at that curve.
>> yes, sir.
Good afternoon.
Sticking here in county
good afternoon. Sticking here in county engineer so the county engineer
sticking here in county engineer so the county engineer does not support that driveway
that's proposed there that
driveway you see today actually
predates the arrival of the
dollar general so that was the
legal access that had to be a
part of our project that
happened back in 2008.
Not long after that the d.g.
Came through cross access was
not long after that the d.g. Came through cross access was required that would be the new
came through cross access was required that would be the new legal access 440ft is what the
code requires from driveway
spacings for this criteria of
why 45 miles an hour just to
the west of this is a 55 mile
an hour stretch so speeds are
probably higher than 45 miles
an hour at times.
Also looking t the merge and
that tapered distance there is
also looking t the merge and that tapered distance there is indeed a merge conflict that
would be present at this
location further supporting our
recommendation not to allow
driveway at this location.
>> so I think what you're
hearing ladies and gentlemen
especially for you that live
there pretty much no matter
what business ever comes here
in the future our county
engineer would not approve an
entrance off a 44 right.
So if that helps to alleviate
some of your concerns I think
so if that helps to alleviate some of your concerns I think you've addressed that.
Thank you, stephen.
I appreciate it.
thank you, stephen. I appreciate it. >> by the way, if if if your
friends and neighbors have
already, you know, said
everything you were going to
say when I call your name you
can just raise your hand and
say I'm just opposed or for
okay, we can help expedite this
process if you'd like.
I think it's loud tall toro
as well.
>> it's up to me.
You're up.
Okay.
you're up. Okay. >> my name my name is maryland
okay. >> my name my name is maryland third rail I live at 13339
southeast 49th court in
tropicana village belleview.
My husband and I do not want
this project behind our home
my husband and I do not want this project behind our home because we fear it will draw
drug dealers, squatters and
homeless people it will provide
please try to keep well we know
what we see and what we
experience in our I
can disrespect but the project
isn't there so you can't say
that's going to draw drug
dealers you don't know.
So it's just hearsay and I
appreciate my fear.
so it's just hearsay and I appreciate my fear. >> that's why it's my fear,
right?
I'm not saying I read it
somewhere.
Okay.
somewhere. Okay. Okay.
okay. Okay. Okay.
okay. Okay. I fear it will draw drug
okay. I fear it will draw drug dealers, squatters and homeless
people.
It will provide them with
handicap bathrooms, running
it will provide them with handicap bathrooms, running water, shelter and places to
eat, congregate, relax, hide
and sleep.
It could become their home
in
eat, congregate, relax, hide and sleep. It could become their home in
tropicana village could become
it could become their home in tropicana village could become a ew target for crime and
themes will experience heavy
traffic in tropicana village
because as their customers
order food and eat and check
out the park they will notice
for the first time probably
this home development behind
here which is tropicana village
and they'll probably come check
us out as they are checking out
the park.
We believe our property value
will plummet with food trucks
we believe our property value will plummet with food trucks in our backyard because it will
destroy our privacy and safety
.
The back of a home actually
butts the back of the proposed
the back of a home actually butts the back of the proposed site.
Their customers will be able to
see me wash my dishes, eat and
their customers will be able to see me wash my dishes, eat and play games.
They can also climb the trees
in my back yard on the other
they can also climb the trees in my back yard on the other side of the fence and hide in
my backyard behind my sheds.
Tropicana residents have had
golf carts stolen and
tropicana residents have had golf carts stolen and vandalized and items missing so
more traffic could easily lead
to more crime.
We're also had outsiders use
our water, our swimming pool
we're also had outsiders use our water, our swimming pool and facilities without our
permission.
We are concerned about the all
day activities basically from 9
we are concerned about the all day activities basically from 9 a.m. To 10 p.m. All these
activities that cause issues
like loud noises from traffic
and crowds and generators if
they're used for temporarily
vehicles and speakers even our
own dogs will be barking all
the time because they're seeing
and hearing strangers.
They'll be strong odors all day
long from different foods being
they'll be strong odors all day long from different foods being cooked burnt to even cigaret
smoke issues like trash litter
and garbage will draw
cockroaches, flies and rats if
it's not removed every single
day by the way, the two 25 foot
buffer between the fences won't
stop noise but it could provide
areas for storing supplies,
cardboard boxes, rubbish and a
nice place for places like
homeless or run less homeless
runaways to to sleep and hide
long I have enjoyed living
at
homeless or run less homeless runaways to to sleep and hide long I have enjoyed living at
tropicana village for nine
years.
>> it's safe, peaceful and
tranquil.
Thank you so much for
your
>> it's safe, peaceful and tranquil. Thank you so much for your
testimony.
thank you so much for your testimony. Thank you.
Yes sir.
thank you. Yes sir. The next is michelle jungle for
yes sir. The next is michelle jungle for me.
the next is michelle jungle for me. Is that right?
I was supposed to go before
is that right? I was supposed to go before her.
You would have been better off
,huh?
you would have been better off ,huh? >> yes, sir.
I understand.
I mean she said she she she
basically spoke for you.
She said me and my husband
that's how my wife starts off
she said me and my husband that's how my wife starts off because I'm already in
agreement.
>> okay?
Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
yes, sir. Go ahead. Name and address for the
go ahead. Name and address for the record.
name and address for the record. >> yes.
Lyle thrill 13 339 southeast
49th court in belleview and
lyle thrill 13 339 southeast 49th court in belleview and that is directly about abuts
the main part of the of the
where the business is going.
>> yes so go ahead and I'm
concerned about lighting
requirements.
I have a picture of a food
truck lighting acility.
>> yes, sir.
And if you notice this, those
are not regulation lights for
and if you notice this, those are not regulation lights for being outside a residential
area.
>> yes, sir.
And
area. >> yes, sir. And there is such a thing
as light pollution, outdoor
and there is such a thing as light pollution, outdoor lighting or parking areas,
signage and truck service
lights can create lights spill
over into nearby homes, bright
lights at night can be blinding
and diminish sleep quality for
all ages glare controlled
lighting design and operational
hours are commonly a part of
the special use permit
conditions to minimize impacts
on neighbors especially
sensitive communities like 55
plus neighborhoods.
I am a disabled american
veteran vietnam veteran thank
you for your service.
I don't want or need a food
truck in my backyard.
I don't think it's it's not not
a part of the tranquil life
that we have been used to and
also I was concerned about
security but there's not hasn't
been any designated security
part the security that they
said they were having is
consists of three janitors and
I don't think that's adequate
security.
How and at the time thank you
very much for your testimony,
how and at the time thank you very much for your testimony, sir and thank you for your
service.
>> I didn't say that to the
other gentleman also there's a
couple other folks that served.
Thank you for your service.
We appreciate you especially in
thank you for your service. We appreciate you especially in light of america 250 we're here
we appreciate you especially in light of america 250 we're here and we have this opportunity
today because of you.
>> we appreciate it.
All right.
Yes, ma'am.
all right. Yes, ma'am. Richard and then richard, you
yes, ma'am. Richard and then richard, you learn let your wife go first to
richard and then richard, you learn let your wife go first to well, he was supposed to
go before me.
>> oh, where's richard at?
All ight.
Come on down, sir.
all ight. Come on down, sir. And that's young erman.
come on down, sir. And that's young erman. Young for okay.
and that's young erman. Young for okay. Okay.
young for okay. Okay. Thank you.
okay. Thank you. I appreciate that.
thank you. I appreciate that. I did.
>> I messed that up.
I apologize.
Everybody does.
Don't worry about it.
everybody does. Don't worry about it. Douglas mcgee, you'll be on
don't worry about it. Douglas mcgee, you'll be on deck 13134 southeast 48th
douglas mcgee, you'll be on deck 13134 southeast 48th terrace belleview tropicana
village.
My concern is with fires,
fuel
terrace belleview tropicana village. My concern is with fires, fuel
and power sources from the nfpa
my concern is with fires, fuel and power sources from the nfpa codes one and 6 from various
chapters and also national
electric code 70 the common
causes of fires and food trucks
are malfunctioning electrical
systems grease build up and
improper use of cooking
equipment in food trucks.
The use of liquefied petroleum
gas or propane to fuel cooking
the use of liquefied petroleum gas or propane to fuel cooking operations presents additional
hazards.
Many accidents involving gas
cylinders used by food trucks
many accidents involving gas cylinders used by food trucks have occurred over the years
from leaking propane tanks.
>> any engine driven source of
power must be checked on a
regular basis.
Generators must be separated
from the public by barriers
generators must be separated from the public by barriers such as physical guards,
fencing or enclosures any
engine driven source of power
must be shut own prior to
refueling from a portable
container.
Also the exhaust from the
engine driven source of power
also the exhaust from the engine driven source of power complies with the following it
must be at least 12 foot in all
directions from openings air
intakes and have an
unobstructed path from any
point to a public way.
The designed for safe
evacuation of the area it must
the designed for safe evacuation of the area it must be directed away from all
buildings.
It must be directed away from
any mobile or temporary cooking
it must be directed away from any mobile or temporary cooking operations.
Also and electrical appliances,
fixtures, equipment and wiring
also and electrical appliances, fixtures, equipment and wiring must comply with the national
electric code and then we get
into the propane tank integrity
main shut off valve for liquid
and vapors pressure on piping
systems piping and flexible
connectors, leak detection
systems.
Each food truck is an
independent business.
each food truck is an independent business. Not all businesses are created
equally.
not all businesses are created equally. My hope is that if this is
passed the fire marshal
my hope is that if this is passed the fire marshal can inspect them on a regular
basis before an accident occurs
at our back doors.
>> yes, ma'am.
Thank you again, the department
of health is in charge of these
thank you again, the department of health is in charge of these particular inspections and they
would make sure but before any
business whether it's this one
or anything else ever gets
approved for a marshal inspects
all the connections how it
works.
I know I called the fire
department and and and the
building department would make
sure that the correct
electrical pedestals are in
place.
>> he said once a year or every
three months depending.
>> yeah.
I mean if we had an incident or
something happened you know I
don't I don't recall any fire
trucks catching on fire but we
could always oh I checked out
in our in our area yeah I
checked over the over the
national average and they
explode so that was just too
enforcement too much
information to bring with me.
>> well thank you, darlin.
>> thank you.
Take your time and our brenda
hampton will be n deck.
take your time and our brenda hampton will be n deck. >> yes, sir.
We gave you the microphone
perfect.
we gave you the microphone perfect. Hello, rick young from in 13134
our company that's working
hello, rick young from in 13134 our company that's working years it isn't.
>> it is on perfect.
All right, we'll get you taken
care of.
all right, we'll get you taken care of. Okay.
There we go.
okay. There we go. Oh, rick young four men 13134
there we go. Oh, rick young four men 13134 southeast 48 terrace and
oh, rick young four men 13134 southeast 48 terrace and belleview.
I wanted to talk about general
safety checklist from the
national fire prevention
association and you need to
make sure or ensure that all
trucks are properly licensed
and that we verify that the
proper fire department
vehicular access is provided
for the fire lanes and access
roads.
The fire trucks might have to
go through that donald general
the fire trucks might have to go through that donald general parking lot just to gain
access
the fire trucks might have to go through that donald general parking lot just to gain access
to this property should an
accident occur, ensure
clearance of the
fire
to this property should an accident occur, ensure clearance of the fire
department access to the fire
hydrants and fire department
connections, ensure all the
appliances are checked to that
produced grease laden vapors
and that might be the source of
grease in the hood.
Also grease removal devices or
ducts are protected by fire
also grease removal devices or ducts are protected by fire extinguisher equipment.
Portable fire extinguishers
have been selected and
portable fire extinguishers have been selected and installed in all kitchen
cooking areas whether it's type
a, b, c, d or k depending on
the type f the truck.
>> also ensuring that all the
workers are trained in the
following areas proper use of
portable fire extinguishers
proper method of shutting off
fuel sources, proper procedures
to notify the local fire
department and how to perform a
simple leak test on lp gas
connections according to the
nfpa codes you can congesting a
lot of different sources all in
one congested area.
That's where fire becomes my
concern if one truck goes
that's where fire becomes my concern if one truck goes there's a real possibility many
more can go further.
I've looked up many food truck
court locations in florida
as many as I can find and I
can't find any that are
adjacent to a residential area
.
>> thank you for your time.
Thank you for your comments or
all right, brenda hampton one
thank you for your comments or all right, brenda hampton one 3100 southeast 47th court
belleview, florida tropicana
villages I oppose the food
truck park.
>> I back every one from
tropicana that said anything
most everything that I wanted
to say is already been said.
>> so thank you for your time.
Appreciate that.
Thank you.
appreciate that. Thank you. Mary ellen bennett and jason
thank you. Mary ellen bennett and jason terry, you next couple up.
mary ellen bennett and jason terry, you next couple up. >> yes, sir.
My name's douglas mcgee live at
13162 southeast 7th court here
my name's douglas mcgee live at 13162 southeast 7th court here in belleview.
I too am against the food court
but my biggest concern is my
background and my employment
was a traffic accident
reconstructionist with the
pennsylvania state police and I
there is nothing more sobering
than anyone whether it's first
responder ems, police officer,
whatever.
Go to ind a a body that is
that is dead and obviously it
go to ind a a body that is that is dead and obviously it could have been prevented just
you know, this past february
8th a individual was trying to
cross 44 to go to dollar
general.
I don't know whether he was
crossing illegally with a red
light or the car was going
through a red light but
nonetheless a human body was,
you know, glittering the same
thing whether or not in ocala
or any large city there is
crosswalk lights and
pedestrians are still run over.
There is no crosswalk there.
Maybe that'll be covered with a
there is no crosswalk there. Maybe that'll be covered with a traffic and engineering study I
maybe that'll be covered with a traffic and engineering study I don't know but at this point it
is a dangerous situation to
think that young people are
going to be crossing a highly
busy traffic roadway there
wether or not their traffic
crossing with a green light or
not they could still have a lot
of a lot of individuals hurt
and killed.
And last thing I want to do is
to see many more crosses
and last thing I want to do is to see many more crosses flowers, wreaths, teddy bears,
laudatory charts because these
children in schools out there
are going to be crossing I'm
sure to get go to the food
trucks.
>> thank you.
Thank you, sir.
>> thank you. Thank you, sir. Right.
thank you, sir. Right. Oh, jason terry already I
right. Oh, jason terry already I think.
oh, jason terry already I think. And carrie mcgee will be
following.
and carrie mcgee will be following. >> yes, ma'am.
Mary ellen bennett 13159 south
east 49th court belleview.
mary ellen bennett 13159 south east 49th court belleview. My main concern is the safety
issues created by the use of
my main concern is the safety issues created by the use of the dollar general parking lot
as egress to and from 47th
avenue kids jump out of cars in
ad in their excitement make a
beeline to the store not
waiting for the adult or
thought of checking left or
right for through traffic like
the traffic they're used to is
parking.
They're not used to people
traveling through the lot
they're not used to people traveling through the lot can get very congested when
there is a delivery truck let
alone two of them in a parking
lot at the same time and it is
quite possible and highly
probable that people will use
the parking lot of the church
located directly across on the
north side of 44 thereby
crossing four lanes of traffic
with no designated pedestrian
crossing or lights only a ditch
as a safety zone separating the
lanes.
I do not see the priority in
this for pedestrian safety in
this plan to the degree that it
warrants.
This is a recipe for disaster
and it's ot a question of if
this is a recipe for disaster and it's ot a question of if but when.
Thank you, ma'am.
You all right?
thank you, ma'am. You all right? >> and then charlene lagasse.
you all right? >> and then charlene lagasse. Yes, jason terry 13451
south
you all right? >> and then charlene lagasse. Yes, jason terry 13451 south
east 46th court belleview.
yes, jason terry 13451 south east 46th court belleview. I live across the street from
the dollar general.
Unfortunately for us in growth
,whether it's a business or a
unfortunately for us in growth ,whether it's a business or a food truck or whatever, it's
going to be traffic is going to
be inevitable.
We're going to have to deal
with it.
we're going to have to deal with it. Our concern on that end is it
really doesn't benefit the
our concern on that end is it really doesn't benefit the community and surrounding area
like it doesn't enefit jobs
like a fast food restaurant or
a jiffy store or things like
that.
Also it's the noise that's
outside the area will be
also it's the noise that's outside the area will be confined inside if it was a
regular business as it's oned.
Is that correct?
He would be one?
is that correct? He would be one? Yes, sir.
he would be one? Yes, sir. So I think our concerns is we
yes, sir. So I think our concerns is we would rather see it stay that
so I think our concerns is we would rather see it stay that way than to have this permit be
approved.
>> so thank you.
Appreciate your comments.
>> yes, sir.
appreciate your comments. >> yes, sir. Leaving a humble chairman I
will just district members
leaving a humble chairman I will just district members please.
My name's coby mcgee.
I live at 13200 southeast
my name's coby mcgee. I live at 13200 southeast fourth seventh court belleview,
florida.
I am a member of the hoa for
tropicana village and I think
my fellow tropicana village
members have done their best to
explain their displeasure with
this this concern going on and
also they did my research and I
mean I hope you guys realize
how much this means to this
community.
I being a councilman for
ten years I know what you guys
go through and I know your job
is also to bring it been this
business into the town but it
is not a good idea.
We have we didn't we don't want
this place to go up in here.
we have we didn't we don't want this place to go up in here. It's not going to be good for
our community again, you've
it's not going to be good for our community again, you've heard it you've heard it all
and I don't want to reiterate
what everybody has said but
these people are your
constituents.
These are the people who vote
for you into office.
these are the people who vote for you into office. Just please take that into
consideration.
just please take that into consideration. >> thank you, sir.
All right, charlene charlene
lagasse 4413 southeast 134th
all right, charlene charlene lagasse 4413 southeast 134th street, belleview, florida.
We do not live in tropicana
estates.
we do not live in tropicana estates. >> we live are you sure?
Yeah.
So look, I just double checking
yeah. So look, I just double checking because we live in belleview
so look, I just double checking because we live in belleview heights estates.
>> all right?
From what I understand with the
access and from 484 not being
from what I understand with the access and from 484 not being allowed you want to send them
through the door?
Correct.
In sending the traffic through
correct. In sending the traffic through dollar general we lready
in sending the traffic through dollar general we lready experience traffic that goes
through belleview heights
estates trying to avoid the
traffic light at 484 going
westbound by sending people to
that traffic light to
go through dollar general we're
going to have more people
cutting out that light going up
40 fourth court my house is
right on the corner of 100 and
34th street and 44th court.
>> all of the traffic that
comes through there avoiding
the traffic light then turns
right on 4130 fourth street and
it would turn into dollar
general after dark every one of
those cars shines lights in my
windows so I can you please fix
that, sir?
>> he has a question about or
concern of the traffic signal
the traffic signal you give
your name and address for the
record jean lee ac 4413
southeast 1/34 street.
>> thank you sir.
Right now the traffic light is
a fixed traffic light because
right now the traffic light is a fixed traffic light because of the 55 mile per hour 44th
court is the last median exit
onto our street.
>> so we get a lot of traffic
cutting the light because of
its time duration as a result
we get a back up of traffic at
rush hour traffic as it is this
would only lend more to that
and at the end of 44th street
44th court and 1/34 street
people going to the store
already have to take a very
short right turn and a left
turn right at the traffic
light.
>> so it incurs a ot of lock
up traffic coming down 47th and
it's only going to get worse.
Thank you, sir.
That's it ery much.
thank you, sir. That's it ery much. >> thank you.
that's it ery much. >> thank you. All right.
>> thank you. All right. So that's everybody that signed
all right. So that's everybody that signed up for the entertainment of the
so that's everybody that signed up for the entertainment of the evening if if you have listen,
I'm going to invite some other
folks to come speak but you got
to say something different.
Okay?
All right.
okay? All right. Anyone else want to speak?
all right. Anyone else want to speak? Come on.
anyone else want to speak? Come on. Anybody else after that I'm
come on. Anybody else after that I'm going to close public comment.
anybody else after that I'm going to close public comment. >> all right?
It's like you'll be the last
one to speak.
it's like you'll be the last one to speak. I I'm short.
>> nicole grant 13279 southeast
49th court belleview, florida
tropicana village.
I'll be really brief.
So the gentleman the mr.
Pimentel mentioned that a
so the gentleman the mr. Pimentel mentioned that a dining hall so I don't think
pimentel mentioned that a dining hall so I don't think it's a dining hall because to
you maybe a dining hall is a
closed building but it's a
pavilion so people are going to
come in, they're going to be at
the pavilion and they're going
to talk till 930, 9:00 whenever
they're going to close.
>> so there's more noise and
the other thing the fence in
the back so there's going to be
a fence between tropicana and
then two fences.
>> but what about the sides?
>> the sides it's going to be
chain link so it's like the
noise is going to come from
that pavilion might be blocked
in the back for some of these
people.
I live two doors down from
that.
I live in the retention pond
right behind the retention pond
and the retention pond.
>> no, but I'm glad it's there
.
I'm only two doors down from
all this noise so I'm going to
hear it.
I'm not hearing it in the back
but I'm going to hear it on the
sides.
And let's talk about the lights
in our backyard.
and let's talk about the lights in our backyard. So just want you to consider
that do you want to pavilion in
so just want you to consider that do you want to pavilion in your backyard?
>> unless I'm mistaken, it's a
civilian.
>> so.
All right.
Thank you.
all right. Thank you. All right.
thank you. All right. The applicants come back and
all right. The applicants come back and you can address some of these
the applicants come back and you can address some of these comments.
>> well, thank you so much for
coming up and voicing your
concerns and thank you for the
opportunity to speak as a
follow up to their comments
before I do so I do want to say
thank you for your service to
all the veterans who stepped
up.
It means a lot to us.
It is our 250 50th anniversary
it means a lot to us. It is our 250 50th anniversary and we have 250 more.
it is our 250 50th anniversary and we have 250 more. I really do mean it.
Before I do address everyone's
concerns I will say the
before I do address everyone's concerns I will say the following I did talk to mr.
Todd ms..
Lisa at veterans health and
todd ms.. Lisa at veterans health and veterans usa and one of the
lisa at veterans health and veterans usa and one of the proposals I made and I actually
made a pledge and it's written
down so there's no going back
and doesn't matter because I
fully made it is to set up a
donation box, a safe a donation
safe box on our own dime where
veterans helping veterans usa
will have a key to it where
they can pick up the nation's
every week.
They will also have the right
in our blessing to set up a van
they will also have the right in our blessing to set up a van is called a vet van close to
our pavilion so they can bring
awareness to the costs which is
our shared costs and also
accept more donations whether
it be funds financial
donations, clothes, shoes and
all that good stuff.
So that is something to keep in
mind.
so that is something to keep in mind. I do want to be a part of the
community and contribute and
you can ask mr. Lisa and mr.
Todd I walk through their
facilities and I think that
todd I walk through their facilities and I think that you're doing a lovely job and
are actually thoughtful over
here.
>> yeah, they really are and in
tandem with that I've also gone
to the vet center by
the
>> yeah, they really are and in tandem with that I've also gone to the vet center by the
paddock mall and that one's
actually a so veterans help
and
to the vet center by the paddock mall and that one's actually a so veterans help and
veterans usa it's a nonprofit
organization to stick to this
yes I really do appreciate
it.
veterans usa it's a nonprofit organization to stick to this yes I really do appreciate it.
Yeah for ure.
Yeah but there's a lot of
yeah for ure. Yeah but there's a lot of people ere and I still have
yeah but there's a lot of people ere and I still have another hearing after you.
>> yeah, of course I do.
Yeah.
Yeah, I saw veterans coming up
yeah. Yeah, I saw veterans coming up and address their yeah, their
yeah, I saw veterans coming up and address their yeah, their concerns and then what the
county commission make a vote.
We'd appreciate it.
Yes, of course.
we'd appreciate it. Yes, of course. Yeah, definitely.
yes, of course. Yeah, definitely. And I do thank everyone for
yeah, definitely. And I do thank everyone for coming up here.
and I do thank everyone for coming up here. It does make us a lot better
and and being better every day
it does make us a lot better and and being better every day is what are we strive for.
So I'm going to try to address
everyone's concerns to the best
so I'm going to try to address everyone's concerns to the best of my ability.
So s far as lighting goes
there will be a photometric
so s far as lighting goes there will be a photometric plan obviously has to pass code
that's we're not going to throw
up lights that we could never
do it.
What goes into putting up
lights a lot of underground
what goes into putting up lights a lot of underground digging a lot of tube wiring
through tubes it's
all
lights a lot of underground digging a lot of tube wiring through tubes it's all
expensive.
It all has to be done the right
way.
it all has to be done the right way. So obviously there will be a
photometric plan and also a
so obviously there will be a photometric plan and also a photometric plan for a soft
light nightlight and so that
obviously because we're going
to have a 24 hour surveillance
system at all times as far
as security goes, we're going
to have a going to be one fence
at the front the chain link
fence.
There's going to be a second
fence at the 50 foot mark, a
there's going to be a second fence at the 50 foot mark, a third fence at a 25 foot mark
and then a fourth fence at the
at your own on your own
perimeter on your own
property's perimeter.
That's four fences.
I mean it's it can't be any
that's four fences. I mean it's it can't be any more safety net as far as the
sides go.
>> we were proposed to have
vinyl on the sides within the
well.
They can't see it but within
the first 25 foot buffer and a
they can't see it but within the first 25 foot buffer and a second buffer I would propose
to put vinyl on the side.
>> obviously that would walk
out noise and anyone from
seeing into their properties
which they already do but
obviously we're here to provide
even more security with through
four fences.
So let's see here we have a
okay for adventure when the
so let's see here we have a okay for adventure when the homeless again we will have a
24 hour surveillance so we will
have a fence.
This will not be open door and
there will be soft light and
this will not be open door and there will be soft light and expose and anyone coming in and
out and at some point we're
thinking about hiring a
security guard.
I'm not sure if that's allowed
for someone to stay overnight.
Is that is that okay or is that
not permissible?
is that is that okay or is that not permissible? >> I don't know.
You can figure that out later.
Okay.
you can figure that out later. Okay. Yeah.
okay. Yeah. And that is within our plans
yeah. And that is within our plans as well.
and that is within our plans as well. Like I said, we are trying to
do a real permanent a permanent
like I said, we are trying to do a real permanent a permanent infrastructure, a permanent
development let's see here.
So oak oil and pick up again
that's not something we plan on
so oak oil and pick up again that's not something we plan on doing ourselves.
This will be under contract
every vendor will be under
this will be under contract every vendor will be under contract to have their oil
pumped out by a company hat we
choose based on uality and
experience of service.
This is not so free nelly
thing where everyone just does
this is not so free nelly thing where everyone just does what they want.
There have been things on the
floor today that that we would
there have been things on the floor today that that we would be closed down in a heartbeat
and respectfully so of course I
mean that the environmental
protection agency will be on
our backs and I want to be to
actually I would never allow
that in in a hundred years and
again by contract they will be
forced and obligated to be
pumped out by our pre-selected
company and that is a part of
their package as far as their
rent package goes that is a
part of their package there
will be again I'm not sure if
everyone heard that there will
be no generators 3050 amp
connections all very expensive.
They all add a whole much a
whole lot of more expensive to
they all add a whole much a whole lot of more expensive to us but we're willing to do it
because e want to do it the
right way.
>> let's see here real quick.
Oh okay.
Again the last thing is
oh okay. Again the last thing is traffic.
again the last thing is traffic. Traffic okay.
And traffic.
traffic okay. And traffic.
traffic okay. And traffic. Oh yeah.
and traffic. Oh yeah. As far as traffic goes we have
oh yeah. As far as traffic goes we have gone down from 24 to 20.
as far as traffic goes we have gone down from 24 to 20. Whether it's this
development
as far as traffic goes we have gone down from 24 to 20. Whether it's this development
or all the fall on a
whether it's this development or all the fall on a permissible with everyone
hospitals that operate 24 seven
urgent care centers with sirens
and emergency vehicles running
all the time they could be
restaurants that run into late
hours, 24 hour drapes and
laundromats as well.
There could be a big plaza
there as well.
there could be a big plaza there as well. So as far as traffic goes, I
mean that's pretty trivial and
so as far as traffic goes, I mean that's pretty trivial and I don't mean to downplay that.
I can't help all the people
moving into the area and
whether it's me or someone else
there's going to be traffic and
that's so much something I
can do.
I, I can't do much about that
myself.
>> and as far as all the trucks
being inspected there will be
inspected by the health
departments and the fire
departments and actually one of
the public conditions is that
the county will have a list of
everyone hat is operating.
So that is I mean that's
everything right there.
so that is I mean that's everything right there. There will have a list of
everyone operating if
there will have a list of everyone operating if anyone
everything right there. There will have a list of everyone operating if anyone
there will have a list of everyone operating if anyone ever goes away and someone new
comes in as a new vendor they
have to be notified by public
condition.
Again, I want to reiterate this
is a 600,000 plus $600,000 plus
again, I want to reiterate this is a 600,000 plus $600,000 plus investment on our part.
We're not playing around with
that kind of money.
we're not playing around with that kind of money. I mean it might be monopoly
money for others, definitely
not for me.
We are looking to be a
permanent staple