1 00:00:05,309 --> 00:00:05,777 Need. 2 00:00:05,777 --> 00:00:13,918 >> good afternoon and welcome to a regular meeting of the boca raton city council on monday, september 22nd, 2025 time is 358. 3 00:00:13,918 --> 00:00:18,289 Our first item of business is the application I will ask councilmembers also to deliver please. 4 00:00:18,289 --> 00:00:21,920 >> thank you mayor. 5 00:00:21,225 --> 00:00:21,626 >> thank you. 6 00:00:21,626 --> 00:00:38,543 Maybe we should do this earlier in the day but nonetheless heavenly father so thank for the chance we have to conduct the people's business here in this fantastic city and we pray that as we do that we do so with your wisdom, with humility and 7 00:00:38,543 --> 00:00:56,940 with the heart of servants recognizing that we are here not to be served but to serve as the events of the last few weeks and months have reminded us there are divisions in our city, our country and our world and we pray that those divisions 8 00:00:56,940 --> 00:01:05,690 be healed through you and we're all you can do and all of us here and all those listening all become instruments of your peace. 9 00:01:05,169 --> 00:01:07,937 We give you all the reason the glory. 10 00:01:08,806 --> 00:01:09,400 Amen. 11 00:01:09,207 --> 00:01:09,607 Now please rise. 12 00:01:09,607 --> 00:01:13,440 Join the pledge of allegiance. 13 00:01:13,177 --> 00:01:28,926 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 14 00:01:28,926 --> 00:01:38,202 This is what these mayors here your deputy mayor necklace here councilmember drucker here councilmember thompson think over here. 15 00:01:38,202 --> 00:01:39,300 Councilmember wicker, you're all present. 16 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:39,404 Thank you, senator. 17 00:01:39,404 --> 00:01:46,770 I know we got a request from the applicant to postpone to the date certain of the 1st november excuse me? 18 00:01:46,277 --> 00:01:52,750 >> the 2nd november meeting november 18th the items at 11 b1 b2 concerning baccarat. 19 00:01:52,750 --> 00:01:53,510 Is that correct? 20 00:01:53,217 --> 00:01:53,551 That's correct. 21 00:01:53,551 --> 00:01:53,885 All right. 22 00:01:53,885 --> 00:01:57,255 Thank you mr. 23 00:01:57,255 --> 00:01:57,422 Taylor. 24 00:01:57,422 --> 00:02:01,826 We can do a joint motion to amend the agenda with that postpone it be a council action. 25 00:02:01,826 --> 00:02:02,600 >> all right. 26 00:02:02,226 --> 00:02:15,600 Thank you, council members and all I can make a motion to postpone to the date certain items 11 eight and 11 b1 b2 to november 18th excuse me. 27 00:02:15,406 --> 00:02:15,673 Sorry. 28 00:02:15,673 --> 00:02:25,160 11 now that's right 11 b one and 11 b two to november 18th 2025 and then the agenda lastly so moved for any further discussion. 29 00:02:25,116 --> 00:02:39,664 >> all those in favor please say I I very good well now move to the next we've got seven sets of minutes workshop august 25th executive session august 25th regular meeting august 26th special meeting workshop meeting of a budget hearing the 30 00:02:39,664 --> 00:02:47,405 september 8th regular meeting of september 9th 2025 any questions or additions hearing that will entertain a motion to approve all business so second thank you. 31 00:02:47,405 --> 00:02:51,942 Any further discussion then? 32 00:02:51,942 --> 00:02:52,543 All those are all right. 33 00:02:52,543 --> 00:03:01,850 All right as approved we have no proclamations or reservations nor board appointments and I don't believe that any responses to version of information requests? 34 00:03:01,850 --> 00:03:01,850 No thank you. 35 00:03:01,485 --> 00:03:15,766 Let's turn to the consent agenda with any councilmember wish to and consent agenda item one any member of the public wish to comment on the consent agenda only mr. 36 00:03:15,766 --> 00:03:24,375 Argent is jonathan g and 65 on college avenue. 37 00:03:24,375 --> 00:03:43,294 So what I would like to see adjusted me or pulled is item resolution 145 2025 that is the one that I think everybody had a problem with here today. 38 00:03:43,294 --> 00:03:56,730 I'm not sure why the city does it why they can't skip a week to then have a meeting that's not a holiday week like many other cities do as I'm sure all of you would rather be doing work. 39 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:04,949 I had to leave for a while to go to work while these people like to do work as opposed to being here from 10:00 till five 6:00. 40 00:04:04,949 --> 00:04:24,735 I think that it's important to have city business done city council especially at a time that outside of normal business hours so I would hope that council can consider that that for instance this week's meeting would us on to the next week 41 00:04:24,735 --> 00:04:28,806 and then pushed back thereafter to two weeks after that. 42 00:04:28,806 --> 00:04:36,681 >> I think that that would be a good adjustment to the schedule to involve the community as they should in the meetings that their meetings. 43 00:04:36,681 --> 00:04:37,810 >> thank you. 44 00:04:37,810 --> 00:04:40,885 Anyone else on the consent agenda? 45 00:04:40,885 --> 00:04:44,419 >> see no one can afford to close the consent agenda. 46 00:04:44,889 --> 00:05:00,271 I would suggest that anyone moving on the consent agenda for a resolution 145 2025 make make it with the changes we discussed at the workshop and the series move in those weeks to adjust as is to say for those weeks in january so moved as discussed 47 00:05:00,271 --> 00:05:03,774 earlier at this c.r.a. 48 00:05:03,774 --> 00:05:08,112 Meeting the calendar changes to reflect mr. 49 00:05:08,112 --> 00:05:10,681 Brown discussed with the council thank you. 50 00:05:10,681 --> 00:05:14,719 >> so the second that's all right mr. 51 00:05:14,719 --> 00:05:15,860 Speaker thank you. 52 00:05:15,219 --> 00:05:18,723 >> any further discussion and just mr. 53 00:05:18,723 --> 00:05:31,720 Head we do meetings sometimes we also have meetings in consecutive weeks we try to find policies we are so this is not it can't be perfect for everyone because I don't want to say one conference or at least we had back to back was subpar but 54 00:05:31,605 --> 00:05:35,900 it is at least positive here early. 55 00:05:35,142 --> 00:05:38,312 So in that case would you please call the roll mrs.. 56 00:05:38,312 --> 00:05:38,779 Now close yes. 57 00:05:38,779 --> 00:05:39,180 Trucker yes. 58 00:05:39,180 --> 00:05:42,583 Thompson yes. 59 00:05:42,583 --> 00:05:43,170 >> wagner yes. 60 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:43,317 Singer yes. 61 00:05:43,317 --> 00:05:47,210 Motion passes 5 to 0. 62 00:05:47,188 --> 00:05:52,590 We now turn to item ten and I don't believe you're going to have any further presentation from staff on the government campus opportunity no. 63 00:05:52,590 --> 00:05:52,930 Right. 64 00:05:52,226 --> 00:06:01,635 Any public comment on this? 65 00:06:01,635 --> 00:06:02,360 It is mr. 66 00:06:02,236 --> 00:06:15,160 Burke all right. 67 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:23,991 Historically we'd like to come out first to go ahead. 68 00:06:23,991 --> 00:06:24,910 Thank you. 69 00:06:24,358 --> 00:06:26,961 Martha parker, 64 northwest seventh street. 70 00:06:26,961 --> 00:06:43,411 The past few meetings I've come before you and just really trying to give you guys some ideas on some things that you can do to address public trust that really was really destroyed by by the attempts to give away our public land without a public 71 00:06:43,411 --> 00:06:43,577 vote. 72 00:06:43,577 --> 00:06:47,982 And really honestly you guys were going to do it without the grassroots movement. 73 00:06:47,982 --> 00:07:03,970 I do want to say, fran, that I appreciate you taking the time, taking an hour of your time to meet with me and my neighbor and walk through and really understand how the project would impact the lives of the people in my neighborhood. 74 00:07:03,564 --> 00:07:10,710 You know the last council meeting you mentioned the inclusion of ab3 in the c 23 strategic plan. 75 00:07:10,638 --> 00:07:22,516 Clearly the city and the council did incomplete and just flat out terrible job on the public outreach related to the nature and scope of that plan. 76 00:07:22,516 --> 00:07:39,500 The city staff mentioned at the last meeting waiting until the end of this process to get an appraisal of the value of land and if the city and the council used in 2023 that this is what you guys were going to pursue, you really should have 77 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:47,700 known what the value of the land was at the onset of negotiations and planning. 78 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:55,516 How else can you negotiate a fair deal for residents is a complete and total disregard of your fiscal responsibilities to the residents of our city. 79 00:07:55,516 --> 00:08:07,610 And I mean to get into a discussion on how important it is to maintain a public land for public use it's just I'm at a complete loss of four words on the complete and total approach to this project. 80 00:08:07,261 --> 00:08:19,740 Clearly our city staff are not equipped to negotiate a deal of this magnitude and are getting bad advice from consultants and it's not the staff's fault this is not and should not be their job. 81 00:08:19,740 --> 00:08:37,725 And I think you said it about one of your town halls our staff please firefighters are among the best in the nation at providing top notch civic services, some of which have fallen to the wayside as our resources are being diverted into this 82 00:08:37,725 --> 00:08:37,991 project. 83 00:08:37,991 --> 00:08:44,730 >> let's get our city back to providing services and focusing on providing services to residents. 84 00:08:45,566 --> 00:08:46,967 We don't need ap3 to take care of our government campus. 85 00:08:46,967 --> 00:08:53,907 We don't need to spend tens of millions of dollars relocating our park services all across our city. 86 00:08:53,907 --> 00:09:00,948 We don't need to chop down hundreds of trees and the and we don't need to destroy a memorial park to have a vibrant downtown. 87 00:09:00,948 --> 00:09:08,856 I do want to address those of you who received some campaign contributions from tier four to be given back. 88 00:09:08,856 --> 00:09:16,697 It gives the complete appearance of pay to play in our city and it compromises the ability for us to trust you to have a fair and impartial evaluation of this deal. 89 00:09:16,697 --> 00:09:32,613 Give them back scott you've done so much for the schools of our city by working with the school district to open new schools with limited land that we have in our city rebuilding elementary schools to incorporate to increase capacity let this 90 00:09:32,613 --> 00:09:37,117 important work that you've done for education for future generations of of boca raton is be your legacy. 91 00:09:37,117 --> 00:09:41,255 Don't take your legacy with unnecessary and risky conversions of public land. 92 00:09:41,255 --> 00:10:06,947 >> thank you john roman for 98 northeast street it might be in my speech earlier I discussed how the city council and the mayor and the city of boca raton is misusing this city wide email database as they have from the start of the year to promote 93 00:10:06,947 --> 00:10:23,230 propaganda and advertising for the developers interests with no reference to the mass of opposition to this project throughout the community and where any summary details or recognition of the thousands of citizens who signed the petition that 94 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:34,808 was submitted and have come forward any such intelligent and important points about why this project should be scrapped and does not make any sense for our community as we did at the last meeting. 95 00:10:34,808 --> 00:10:51,910 >> we have over 70 people coming to everybody opposed to the project except one person over 70 people today we had over 40 people maybe 35, maybe over 40 people speaking everybody in opposition to the project I just received an email from the 96 00:10:51,759 --> 00:10:57,620 city of boca raton at 3:18 p.m.. 97 00:10:58,165 --> 00:11:17,510 It says resident advertising the two charette so the developer and it says residents are encouraged to sign up in advance for one of the two sessions due to the capacity limitation and the strong interests of the project and that is incredible. 98 00:11:17,451 --> 00:11:20,988 >> truly incredible what what a misrepresentation. 99 00:11:20,988 --> 00:11:40,420 I mean this is to say due to the strong opposition to the project that's what that means to say can you maybe you need to send the email also they then have a link to one boca.com the site of the developer which has an electronic form with it 100 00:11:40,275 --> 00:11:48,830 a prepaid letter that says that we you know it's prepaid that you put in your name and your email address. 101 00:11:48,830 --> 00:11:54,957 It could be from anybody in the world that you know not nine boca. 102 00:11:54,957 --> 00:12:09,710 Meanwhile we have to go out onto the ground throughout the city on the streets spending hours sweating in the summer heat to collect signatures in pen on a form that has to be notarized with people writing full address and everything and they 103 00:12:09,338 --> 00:12:16,745 have an electronic form that anybody can can from anywhere in the world can and what are you going to use that for? 104 00:12:16,745 --> 00:12:29,124 Are you going to be accepting these just to show that there's support for this project and you're directing them to one you have the going to their website one boca.com why don't you have a link to see bogota. 105 00:12:29,124 --> 00:12:45,341 >> org yeah let's let's let's send out an email let's let's send out an email and let's start talking about the truth of what's happening this is propaganda why are you advertising for them with this citywide database the city wide email base 106 00:12:45,341 --> 00:12:45,674 that's corruption. 107 00:12:45,674 --> 00:13:02,154 >> let's let's let's try it out let's let's share an email was able to show some pictures of what's really happening some photos of the party room out there with people sitting on the floor thank you and anyone else wishing to speak strongly 108 00:13:03,225 --> 00:13:11,300 yeah jonathan and 65 or 1 congreso yeah so I kind of call them with a little different stance. 109 00:13:11,300 --> 00:13:14,937 I understand where the city's going with this. 110 00:13:14,937 --> 00:13:27,716 They decided to do engage in a three they picked their partner but they didn't involve the community and that's where I had a problem. 111 00:13:27,716 --> 00:13:31,860 >> they did say at the end of this process that there would be a vote. 112 00:13:31,787 --> 00:13:34,589 >> that's where I had a problem . 113 00:13:34,589 --> 00:13:40,950 >> the reality is the feelings of the people I don't think that it should be scrapped. 114 00:13:40,462 --> 00:13:58,980 I think that you all and the developer who wants to have this project have an obligation to the people of the city and I think that these threats that are coming up need to be framed in a way that the you're not going to win over everybody but 115 00:13:58,980 --> 00:14:03,850 you need to win over a lot of these people and how do you do that? 116 00:14:03,518 --> 00:14:26,740 There needs to be a constructive discussion not just a developer led discussion coming up in these threats to come up with an idea and a plan that you can win over more and more of the people that frankly this council I believe didn't want them 117 00:14:26,441 --> 00:14:41,890 included if they really wanted community involvement, if they really wanted community engagement it wouldn't be meetings that are here in a silo. 118 00:14:41,890 --> 00:14:52,634 >> I mean maybe maybe one of 100 people that watch these meetings come to these meetings on a biweekly basis. 119 00:14:52,634 --> 00:15:01,900 It's a silo that we're in here and the reality is if you really want community engagement there would have been yellow signs which wouldn't have been needed necessarily. 120 00:15:01,476 --> 00:15:05,947 You typically for a regular development but this is nothing regular. 121 00:15:05,947 --> 00:15:21,596 There would have been mailers going to the people that do live in the surrounding area prior to the site plan approval but that's in essence what this was is we were working towards a site plan, a plan that was going to be going forward and 122 00:15:21,596 --> 00:15:41,583 I don't think this council wanted these people involved but they really are now and if this council wants to see something meaningful that makes sense for this council, the city, the developer and most importantly this community, these charrette 123 00:15:41,583 --> 00:15:54,329 need to win these people over and the plan needs to be something that moves in a way that works for the community because that's who this is about. 124 00:15:54,329 --> 00:15:54,696 Thank you. 125 00:15:54,696 --> 00:15:58,660 So if you speak all right. 126 00:15:58,467 --> 00:16:00,600 Thank you. 127 00:16:09,978 --> 00:16:10,612 Oh, good afternoon. 128 00:16:10,612 --> 00:16:15,500 >> my name is xander and overnight southwest terrace boca raton. 129 00:16:15,150 --> 00:16:18,820 >> I just have a message for you guys. 130 00:16:18,820 --> 00:16:33,166 >> I've been knocking doors almost every day and I have a message because they told me please tell the what our username is that they arms about you guys. 131 00:16:34,236 --> 00:16:35,370 They say please how we're designed. 132 00:16:35,203 --> 00:16:38,707 That's not what they asked me to sign. 133 00:16:38,707 --> 00:16:50,952 I said only to legal papers and then they go when they sign and everything they go how we can get rid of them doesn't it? 134 00:16:50,952 --> 00:16:54,990 How can we get rid of this council? 135 00:16:54,990 --> 00:17:19,448 I said well the only way you will have the vote this coming election in march so unfortunately and he said all along is not you are going to fight against you all of you together for this may your position right no good news you guys all up 136 00:17:19,448 --> 00:17:23,618 there in the sun in the rain I don't care but I am out there. 137 00:17:23,618 --> 00:17:35,828 I am in a dilemma every single basically week we guys and you guys approach me you could be this miss universe including mr. 138 00:17:36,331 --> 00:17:51,670 Universe by the people you gain nothing you gain only this place people are upset with you guys are very upset and that's why I am. 139 00:17:51,670 --> 00:17:59,776 I don't understand why you keep on spending our time wasting your time wasting my money. 140 00:17:59,776 --> 00:18:03,913 I can in order for me to be sorry for the terror unfreeze me. 141 00:18:03,913 --> 00:18:16,459 It is rare and a grass root person who lives in boca raton feeling sorry for a billionaire company because you guys are punishing them. 142 00:18:16,459 --> 00:18:20,163 I spoke with mr. 143 00:18:20,163 --> 00:18:25,350 Crazy today even and he goes well I'm here because we have to be here. 144 00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:25,502 Why? 145 00:18:25,502 --> 00:18:26,302 Because you are pushing him to do it. 146 00:18:26,302 --> 00:18:27,300 If you come up pick up the phone. 147 00:18:27,170 --> 00:18:30,974 I say listen, please let us stop this. 148 00:18:30,974 --> 00:18:42,952 I'm sorry but are we going we're going to hire you only to build the places that no beautiful city hall nothing is . 149 00:18:42,952 --> 00:18:47,691 Please be mindful once more about your people saying mr. 150 00:18:47,691 --> 00:18:48,240 Mayor yes I do. 151 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:48,910 You are here. 152 00:18:48,491 --> 00:19:04,741 You are so good you are excellent speaker you it isn't me with the idea of going to the garbage no to the recycle bin because when you listen to us it is not correct. 153 00:19:04,741 --> 00:19:05,740 >> so mr. 154 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:05,740 Novelas and mr. 155 00:19:05,508 --> 00:19:12,480 Bayoumi zucker also going to offer something you guys unfortunately the people are not with you. 156 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,315 I'm sorry. 157 00:19:16,190 --> 00:19:16,319 Thank you. 158 00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:32,735 Anyone else wishing to speak right closes I have a problem requests for you to at least of them as far as common by the time of the appraisal in order to properly appraise the property that we will be conveying we need to know exactly what property 159 00:19:32,735 --> 00:19:36,939 we could be conveying and he uses that would be proposed for that property. 160 00:19:36,939 --> 00:19:46,820 So until we actually have a fairly tied down plan it's not reasonable to make an appraisal right and just as you said earlier, didn't even want to see meeting the turf. 161 00:19:46,282 --> 00:19:55,580 There's a conversation about 31 acres, 18 acres we're looking at actually a lot less few fewer acres than that but no actually be conveyed. 162 00:19:55,580 --> 00:19:55,580 >> yes. 163 00:19:55,324 --> 00:19:55,491 Yes. 164 00:19:55,491 --> 00:19:55,858 All right. 165 00:19:55,858 --> 00:19:58,127 Thank you. 166 00:19:58,127 --> 00:20:02,650 Any other responses to the workshop information or to the speakers? 167 00:20:02,231 --> 00:20:06,569 I think it's comments. 168 00:20:06,569 --> 00:20:07,700 >> no, I think so. 169 00:20:07,203 --> 00:20:07,470 You know. 170 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:07,804 All right. 171 00:20:07,804 --> 00:20:11,741 I will know that by the way, the email came from the city's interest in the project. 172 00:20:11,741 --> 00:20:20,850 >> he didn't say support for the project so people are invited to come out regardless interviews and we expect that they will. 173 00:20:20,850 --> 00:20:38,968 >> that concludes item ten will now turn to quasi judicial unrelated public hearings and I'll read title resolution 141 2025 resolution number one 4125 a resolution of the city of boca raton considering the approximately 0.51 acre property generally 174 00:20:38,968 --> 00:20:56,520 located at one four northwest 20th street, it conditional use approval to authorize approximately 10,560ft2 of retail use an existing building in the m2 general district excuse me an end to general industrial zoning district providing for a 175 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:56,719 buehler planning effective date. 176 00:20:56,719 --> 00:20:59,789 >> thank you. 177 00:20:59,789 --> 00:21:03,459 They were asked to review the quality control procedures that will govern public hearing. 178 00:21:03,459 --> 00:21:16,706 Sure this matter is quasi judicial and accordingly the following rules apply each applicant requesting approval relief or other action from the council shall disclose at commencement or continuous public hearing any consideration payment provided 179 00:21:16,706 --> 00:21:25,915 or made directly or indirectly on behalf or agreement to support or withhold objection to the proposed relief action. 180 00:21:25,915 --> 00:21:31,870 This afternoon a summary of the procedures governing this proceedings attached to the agenda is available in the lobby. 181 00:21:31,870 --> 00:21:35,910 An online copy can also be obtained from the city clerk. 182 00:21:35,858 --> 00:21:36,920 >> thank you. 183 00:21:36,225 --> 00:21:44,670 This point last council members have had an expert in the communications business starting in this part of the world I have no expertise. 184 00:21:44,233 --> 00:21:44,534 Thank you. 185 00:21:44,534 --> 00:21:48,905 Thank you for supporting this writer and I know as well. 186 00:21:48,905 --> 00:21:56,913 >> so I just want to ask anyone who wishes to see this matter please rise with the clerk and administer the oath. 187 00:21:56,913 --> 00:21:57,413 Please raise your hand. 188 00:21:57,413 --> 00:22:01,684 Do you swear or affirm that any testimony you made before this public hearing will be truthful and accurate? 189 00:22:01,684 --> 00:22:04,921 >> thank you, sir. 190 00:22:04,921 --> 00:22:05,540 Thank you. 191 00:22:05,221 --> 00:22:09,920 Mayor heather hanson's plan with adult services department will make the presentation resolution one 4125. 192 00:22:09,659 --> 00:22:11,692 Yes. 193 00:22:12,795 --> 00:22:13,363 Thank you. 194 00:22:13,363 --> 00:22:13,830 >> good afternoon. 195 00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:17,400 For the record, my name is heather hansen and I have been sworn in. 196 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:33,820 The half acre property is located in two general industrial district just west of dixie highway and four east coast railway tracks on the northeast corner of northwest 20th street and northwest first avenue. 197 00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:51,000 >> the building was constructed in the 1950s and is nonconforming regarding setbacks and a number and design of off street parking spaces between the 1950s and 1978 retail with permitted use in this district. 198 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:59,909 >> in 1978 there was a code amendment that allowed retail uses between 1000 and 20,000ft2 as a conditional use in that district. 199 00:22:59,909 --> 00:23:12,789 >> while there have been various retail uses in the building since the 50s, the building was recently occupied by boca raton small engines a landscape equipment supply business which was permitted under a combination of machinery and farm implements, 200 00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:29,939 sales and repair garages without a square footage limit the applicant requested a business license for an auto zone store which is when it was determined that a conditional use approval is required since the retail uses more than 2000ft2 as 201 00:23:29,939 --> 00:23:46,890 far as parking back then the code well the code currently provides that won't existing use of a portion or all of the structures change additional off street parking facilities shall be provided to the extent that off street parking required 202 00:23:46,356 --> 00:23:50,860 for the new uses exceed the street parking for the previous use. 203 00:23:50,860 --> 00:24:07,290 >> however, while the previous use was not classified entirely as retail in terms of use it has been classified as retail for the purpose of parking since at least the mid 1980s so the new use does not increase the code required parking is not 204 00:24:07,290 --> 00:24:19,208 required to comply with the current code requirements for parking but they are proposing some improvements which I'll go through to the existing parking lot as well as to the landscaping. 205 00:24:19,208 --> 00:24:27,850 So the current conditions this is an aerial view you can see that is a barren site on a very visible corner. 206 00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:32,540 >> there's two queen palms along northwest 20th street right up in here there's asphalt driveway. 207 00:24:32,154 --> 00:24:47,836 >> there's some point I don't know if they got approval for it or what happened exactly but there's an excellent work driveway right here that goes straight into where the parking spaces are and there's pavement and then this sort of grassy 208 00:24:47,836 --> 00:24:52,740 area to the south and to the south of that is an auto repair facility. 209 00:24:52,740 --> 00:25:02,685 And then between the building and the railroad tracks there's just gravel. 210 00:25:02,685 --> 00:25:11,894 >> so the proposed site improvements they're going to add more ponds and foundation and plants along northwest 20th. 211 00:25:11,894 --> 00:25:23,572 >> so these are the existing ones and so they're adding this they're removing that asphalt driveway so instead of that driveway will be there will be landscaping. 212 00:25:23,572 --> 00:25:31,380 They're increasing the parking spaces from 10 to 12, one of which will be an ada accessible space. 213 00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:47,960 >> there's an addition of canopy trees and shrubs on the south side so it will be screening that auto repair place and they're going to put in the dumpster will go here with a dumpster enclosure and there will be shrubs around the to screen 214 00:25:47,960 --> 00:26:06,849 and then they also are putting a hedge all along here several years ago there was a very dense, tall close year hedge on the railroad side of the property and since then the railroad decided to remove it for whatever reason. 215 00:26:06,849 --> 00:26:19,928 >> so now it's very visible but they did a originally they just proposed having a decorative rock in there and they had a preliminary review by the city who recommended putting in hedges and they agreed to do so. 216 00:26:19,928 --> 00:26:34,900 >> it staff's opinion that given that autozone is moving into an existing building on a site that basically looks the same as it did when it was developed in the 19 50s, the improvements they are proposing are significant for what is essentially 217 00:26:34,576 --> 00:26:35,440 a change of use. 218 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,848 Let's go quickly through the existing conditions of the street view just very, very quickly. 219 00:26:39,848 --> 00:26:43,719 >> so that's how it looks on the corner there. 220 00:26:43,719 --> 00:26:49,892 >> that's where that driveway is that goes straight from the 20 20th into the parking spaces that will be removed. 221 00:26:49,892 --> 00:26:58,267 Here's what it looks like on the northwest first avenue side they are going to replace there's not room to do anything else other than parking. 222 00:26:58,267 --> 00:27:02,400 The site is very small so it's very constrained. 223 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:13,820 They're going to put in a garage opening here for deliveries and then this is that south side that I mentioned. 224 00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:28,530 So there will be a dumpster enclosure here and then trees and shrubs along the side and this is the site adjacent to the railroad tracks which will have that hedge put that will look a lot nicer. 225 00:27:28,530 --> 00:27:43,780 So the applicant meets the code criteria for approval of a conditional use that is compatible with the existing and planned development and the character of the district is suitable for the use the existing building property and infrastructure 226 00:27:43,779 --> 00:28:02,164 adequate for the use and no adverse impacts are anticipated and so the development services department and the planning and zoning board recommend approval that there are october 20th october, august 21st meeting the planning board discussed 227 00:28:02,164 --> 00:28:06,350 the application voted six zero to recommended approval and a cbi's preliminary review. 228 00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:21,550 They did review it and the applicant was very responsive to their recommendations and made some adjustments to the landscape plan so we recommend approval of the conditional use permit subject to the conditions set forth. 229 00:28:21,550 --> 00:28:35,970 >> thank you councilors any questions seen on will open up the public hearing are you from the applicant or if you'd like you'd like if you'd like to speak you can no one else wanted to speak but no one else. 230 00:28:35,397 --> 00:28:36,650 No one else wanted to speak. 231 00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:39,340 But you can make a reservation if you like. 232 00:28:39,168 --> 00:28:43,806 You may not you may not want to make a very long one based on weekly radio address. 233 00:28:43,806 --> 00:28:52,810 >> I don't have a presentation any and if you have any questions regarding the project at all I'm with the design team otherwise broken and I know or at least that we do want to our 20 20th street. 234 00:28:52,614 --> 00:28:55,170 Thank you councilors any questions? 235 00:28:55,170 --> 00:28:55,818 The applicant all right thank you. 236 00:28:55,818 --> 00:29:02,910 Anyone else wishing to speak and so just confirm that since no one else spoke you all concluded remarks you don't want to report yourself. 237 00:29:02,758 --> 00:29:03,580 He indicated that. 238 00:29:03,158 --> 00:29:12,134 So at this point we'll close the public hearing will entertain a motion to adopt 141 2025 moved to move on to the second second mr. 239 00:29:12,134 --> 00:29:19,108 Thompson any further discussion and seeing none since please wager yes thompson yes. 240 00:29:19,108 --> 00:29:19,441 Singer yes. 241 00:29:19,441 --> 00:29:21,575 Trucker yes. 242 00:29:22,678 --> 00:29:23,145 Necklace yes. 243 00:29:23,145 --> 00:29:24,790 >> motion passes five votes to zero. 244 00:29:24,790 --> 00:29:25,914 Thank you again. 245 00:29:25,914 --> 00:29:39,940 Item 11 b was postponed or 2nd november meeting substitute item 12 regular public hearings please be title of ordinance 5750 ordinance number 5750 an ordinance of the city of boca raton relating to the general employees pension plan providing 246 00:29:39,628 --> 00:29:46,802 for a one time lump sum payment paid for certain retired or disabled general employees providing for a peeler providing an effective date. 247 00:29:46,802 --> 00:29:50,572 >> thank you mr.. 248 00:29:50,572 --> 00:29:58,246 Thank you mayor jim service r c f o w city manager will make the presentation ordinance number 5750 thank you mr. 249 00:29:58,246 --> 00:29:58,380 Reserves. 250 00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:02,317 >> yes good afternoon mayor section 12 dash 123 of the code. 251 00:30:02,317 --> 00:30:14,810 The code of ordinance provides that a biennial review of the retirement and disability benefits under the general employees pension plan be made to determine whether such benefits have been eroded by increases in the cost of living. 252 00:30:14,381 --> 00:30:17,184 This is done on a bi annual basis. 253 00:30:17,184 --> 00:30:38,605 Staff has reviewed the cost of living increases and determined that they have been eroded and is recommending recommending a one time lump sum payment for retirees before october 1st, 2015 of 5% and before october 1st 2020 and after october 254 00:30:38,605 --> 00:30:46,130 1st 2015 of 3% the total cost of those lump sum payments are $490,465. 255 00:30:46,130 --> 00:31:05,650 >> the the plan as proposed would be for the pension plan to make those payments to the pensions and for the city to pay the pension plan the same amount at the same time thus having no net impact on the unfunded pension liability. 256 00:31:05,198 --> 00:31:08,969 And there is an actuarial statement to that effect included in the agenda item. 257 00:31:08,969 --> 00:31:12,339 I'm available to answer any questions. 258 00:31:12,339 --> 00:31:12,906 Thank you council members. 259 00:31:12,906 --> 00:31:13,273 Any questions? 260 00:31:13,273 --> 00:31:24,217 Well the public hearing last call course is a public hearing on ordinance 5750 will entertain a motion to adopt some of that. 261 00:31:24,217 --> 00:31:25,180 Any further discussion I'll give it to mr. 262 00:31:25,118 --> 00:31:27,921 Rader on the second any further discussion? 263 00:31:27,921 --> 00:31:28,210 Mrs. 264 00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:30,688 Roll drucker yes. 265 00:31:31,258 --> 00:31:31,925 Waiter yes. 266 00:31:31,925 --> 00:31:32,920 Necklace? 267 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:32,920 Yes. 268 00:31:32,292 --> 00:31:32,693 Singer yes. 269 00:31:32,693 --> 00:31:35,429 Thompson yes. 270 00:31:35,429 --> 00:31:36,363 >> motion passes five votes to zero. 271 00:31:36,363 --> 00:31:36,663 Thank you. 272 00:31:36,663 --> 00:31:52,546 Would you please read the title of resolution item excuse me resolution one 4725 as item 12 b resolution 147 2025 a resolution of the city of boca raton authorizing the city manager to execute a telecommunication rights of way use agreement 273 00:31:52,546 --> 00:32:01,421 with kelsey's cable usa inc for the purpose of use of certain public rights of way for the telecommunications purposes providing for severability voting for a future providing effective date. 274 00:32:01,421 --> 00:32:04,758 >> thank you mr. 275 00:32:04,758 --> 00:32:05,920 Thanks to ms. 276 00:32:05,225 --> 00:32:09,960 Zack b r p w director will make a presentation on resolution one 4725 thank you. 277 00:32:09,596 --> 00:32:09,796 Mr. 278 00:32:09,796 --> 00:32:24,911 Beer yes good afternoon mayor and city council the applicant sent forward an updated right away use agreement for the use of the city's right away for any existing chelsea's cables to update their existing right away agreement so these contracts 279 00:32:24,911 --> 00:32:36,890 have been in place and the city is moving forward the resolution to update the cost per linear foot and also add an updated lease agreement and be happy to answer any questions. 280 00:32:36,256 --> 00:32:36,590 Thank you. 281 00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:51,710 Council has any questions open up the public hearing john perlman for 9890 c street on please confirm this is the same this is the same company that's bringing cable through spanish river park. 282 00:32:51,505 --> 00:32:52,105 >> is that correct? 283 00:32:52,105 --> 00:32:52,239 Actually mr. 284 00:32:52,239 --> 00:32:55,800 Pro and just so your state your remarks and then yes. 285 00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:56,900 >> so this is this is the same cable coming through. 286 00:32:56,677 --> 00:33:13,860 This is the same company and that they are an easement agreement was approved at a prior meeting to allow this company to come through with cable to no one knows the methods or the mechanics of how they install it through a ecologically sensitive 287 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:24,905 area and very well trafficked main beach of boca raton and that I was approved at the prior meeting on this company. 288 00:33:24,905 --> 00:33:25,720 So mr. 289 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:45,492 Shad was here at the meeting when it was approved and questions were and also another a woman I don't remember her name it was and they were making the presentation they asked her did did the cable have any benefit to to the citizens of boca 290 00:33:45,492 --> 00:33:49,463 raton and to remind you at a prior meeting to that mr. 291 00:33:49,463 --> 00:33:50,630 Shad recognized that the only benefit was financial. 292 00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:57,902 >> this was this was two meetings ago because this is the third time this is coming up. 293 00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:59,272 So she said that it did it did happen. 294 00:33:59,272 --> 00:34:03,430 It did but but it you know it came out that no, it doesn't have any benefit. 295 00:34:03,243 --> 00:34:23,610 This cable is servicing hotels and infrastructure in one of the on the islands in the caribbean and so this cable is not is there's no benefit there's no service being provided to the citizens of boca raton. 296 00:34:24,765 --> 00:34:25,165 Additionally mr. 297 00:34:25,165 --> 00:34:29,670 Shad recognized therefore there's no there's no benefit to the citizens from the infrastructure mr. 298 00:34:29,670 --> 00:34:37,770 Shad recognized the only benefit is $2 million which they're paying for the easement because they need $2 million. 299 00:34:37,210 --> 00:34:39,913 >> we're we're sitting on over 600 million cash. 300 00:34:39,913 --> 00:34:42,747 We bring in over 500 million a year. 301 00:34:43,817 --> 00:34:54,461 So now there's a second string of approvals, a second string of rights of way to enable this company to now come through our streets in various portions of the city. 302 00:34:54,461 --> 00:35:05,439 But it's not benefiting the people other than a measly 2 million which doesn't mean that much given how much cash reserves we have and how much revenue we bring in. 303 00:35:05,439 --> 00:35:22,890 >> so I guess the question is what why are you why are you giving so so many privileges to this company when it doesn't have a benefit to the people and there's no service being provided to the people other than this this chunk of cash which 304 00:35:22,189 --> 00:35:23,230 again isn't going to make or break us. 305 00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:41,700 It's it's not it's really pennies pennies to bulga so I think I think there needs to be some type of an explanation on this about why they're allowed to come in through the issue that me and each and panel and allowing them to come through our 306 00:35:41,641 --> 00:35:45,512 streets throughout our city why are we allowing this? 307 00:35:45,512 --> 00:35:51,780 >> can you maybe you can ask that anyone else wishing to speak mr. 308 00:35:52,850 --> 00:36:07,634 Virgin jonathan 65 one congress avenue be super brief the only part of the last meeting that he was referencing I have talked about millions of dollars to the all. 309 00:36:07,634 --> 00:36:08,340 I think it's a bad thing. 310 00:36:08,268 --> 00:36:15,910 I just think the timeline should be looked at when you close on property, when you do things you don't get it like four years later. 311 00:36:15,258 --> 00:36:24,634 I think that the timeline should be expedited significantly that the city should get these funds and not have it be many, many, many years later that you're allowing this. 312 00:36:24,634 --> 00:36:25,680 >> that's the only thing I leave. 313 00:36:25,501 --> 00:36:27,670 Thank you. 314 00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:28,710 Anyone else wishing to speak on this matter? 315 00:36:28,638 --> 00:36:28,971 All right. 316 00:36:28,971 --> 00:36:36,790 Well, close the public hearing about five factual inaccuracies that I hope we can clear up. 317 00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:40,160 We can set aside the opinion of whether $2.6 million in payments is coca cola money or not. 318 00:36:40,149 --> 00:36:43,860 But let's see all the facts here first mr. 319 00:36:43,860 --> 00:36:48,558 Beer, it was alleged first I think we're talking about two different complete rights of way. 320 00:36:48,558 --> 00:36:51,828 >> so can you clarify that for the public here we have existing telecom wires here, right? 321 00:36:51,828 --> 00:36:53,961 >> sure. 322 00:36:54,664 --> 00:37:09,412 So historically a few decades ago the city was actually an early adopter and work with sub aqueous transcontinental telecommunications companies to be one of the leading providers and have the telecom company land there. 323 00:37:09,412 --> 00:37:22,910 So the aqueous transcontinental cables in the united states have over a dome so they need or got early payments for those landings historically and now the time has come to restore those existing agreements. 324 00:37:22,191 --> 00:37:29,198 So an easement is over the spanish river property which is separate and apart from the right of use agreement. 325 00:37:29,198 --> 00:37:39,942 So the city has I believe already received certain payment for that easement I have it's I saw an email come through that it was wired in so the payment has already been remitted for the first portion of that and are working through the close 326 00:37:39,942 --> 00:37:43,790 of sale that's related to the easement over spanish river park. 327 00:37:43,379 --> 00:37:52,121 Those have existing cables that have landed and they were horizontally directionally drilled and had to have gone through the army corps permitting process. 328 00:37:52,121 --> 00:37:55,758 They have gone all the way to the highest state. 329 00:37:55,758 --> 00:38:04,670 It's my understanding that the governor's office had to review that subset of permits which was why it was important to get it on the docket for a high level of review to make sure that that was an appropriate action. 330 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:10,740 Additionally, the equipment that was set up is likely to not show any impact whatsoever. 331 00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:24,354 So it's done through technically do horizontal directional drilling where they go several hundred thousand feet below the surface and then land cables and existing switching yard that takes it into existing conduit to two facilities that I won't 332 00:38:24,354 --> 00:38:39,268 name in the facility for facility for security reasons those are secure telecommunications and the right way agreement is the portion that extends out of spanish river park and then the city right away that the city gets an annual payment of 333 00:38:39,268 --> 00:38:44,540 around $65,000 for these cables in congress to be just within the cities right away. 334 00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:49,912 So from a public works perspective it's always great to have any interim revenues coming in for the expenditures. 335 00:38:49,912 --> 00:38:55,510 We're always happy to get any revenue of any amount to other assertions made. 336 00:38:55,184 --> 00:38:58,540 Why don't you just clarify it? 337 00:38:58,540 --> 00:38:58,988 Someone said no one knows how this is done. 338 00:38:58,988 --> 00:39:03,920 No one knows the technical technology on this or something to that effect. 339 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,930 >> clearly it's very well known, is it not? 340 00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:06,462 Oh that's correct. 341 00:39:06,462 --> 00:39:20,777 It is been time tested and the city of boca raton even to restore the gumbo limo system had to set up an almost identical situation and horizontally directional drill out several thousand feet in the ocean to restore the pumping system. 342 00:39:20,777 --> 00:39:28,840 It's done almost the same and I assure you all environmental permitting and ecological considerations were taken. 343 00:39:28,251 --> 00:39:39,128 We actually consulted with our coastal specialists to review our sensitive coral systems and also our borrow pits for our dredging because that's an important resource for the city to continue to our beach nourishment. 344 00:39:39,128 --> 00:39:43,990 The consultant actually relocated and rerouted the cables at the city's request. 345 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:48,710 So we have been coordinating very closely with our engineering team to be able to deliver this right. 346 00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:50,390 Thank you. 347 00:39:50,273 --> 00:39:55,945 And I'm getting back to this particular resolution which deals with our wires that are already existing in our rights of way and in some cases have been there for several decades. 348 00:39:55,945 --> 00:40:02,885 Would it be fair to say that there is a benefit to the users in the city who tap into those lines? 349 00:40:02,885 --> 00:40:07,924 Yeah, I would just say from a personal perspective this is just a curiosity. 350 00:40:07,924 --> 00:40:13,596 I'm a career person so I asked celsius and it is transcontinental that goes through the caribbean to the yucatan and then also distributes to brazil. 351 00:40:13,596 --> 00:40:17,934 So my family actually lives partially in brazil and the company identified it. 352 00:40:17,934 --> 00:40:29,780 If you're doing a face time in any one of those countries are likely using that cable to transmit the information back and forth at high rates of speed to communicate with the people. 353 00:40:29,645 --> 00:40:38,354 So I would say yes, this idea of over time does get a benefit of having those cables is something benefits in addition to these other financial benefits? 354 00:40:38,354 --> 00:40:38,755 That is correct. 355 00:40:38,755 --> 00:40:49,966 Any of the questions of staff right at this point the public hearing supposedly in a motion to adopt resolution 147 2025 so moved second thank you. 356 00:40:49,966 --> 00:40:50,990 Any further discussion? 357 00:40:50,466 --> 00:40:50,633 Mr. 358 00:40:50,633 --> 00:40:53,836 Thomson yes. 359 00:40:53,836 --> 00:40:54,137 Singer yes. 360 00:40:54,137 --> 00:40:54,504 Waiter yes. 361 00:40:54,504 --> 00:40:54,671 Necklace? 362 00:40:54,671 --> 00:40:54,904 Yes. 363 00:40:54,904 --> 00:40:57,380 Drucker yes. 364 00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:58,740 Motion passes by those two zero. 365 00:40:58,441 --> 00:41:07,216 Thank you will now turn to public requests as we have no regular public hearings or settlements any further public requests. 366 00:41:07,216 --> 00:41:10,419 John polman for 98 northeast eighth street. 367 00:41:10,419 --> 00:41:14,690 >> so I was at the financial advisory board meeting with mr. 368 00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:19,610 Service and he he he misrepresented what happened there. 369 00:41:19,562 --> 00:41:39,715 So as you know, they only approved $125 million bond on there was they recognize that there was so much cash in the coffers of our city that they actually started the chief of the head person the the boss of the financial advisory board started 370 00:41:39,715 --> 00:41:48,391 to proceed with a vote of only 100 million and he started even lower before he even got to 125 because he knew that there's so much cash around. 371 00:41:48,391 --> 00:41:48,691 You know, mr. 372 00:41:48,691 --> 00:41:56,320 Jervis gave that explanation at a prior meeting of saying how about 677 million? 373 00:41:56,132 --> 00:41:59,835 We only had about 30 million to use, you know, for various purposes. 374 00:41:59,835 --> 00:42:03,572 So he narrowed it down from 677 to 30 million of use. 375 00:42:03,572 --> 00:42:10,780 >> but the financial advisory board disagreed with with that view of that and they started 100 it went to 125. 376 00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:11,130 >> mr. 377 00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:15,918 Jervis said that on that it was a split vote. 378 00:42:15,918 --> 00:42:26,430 >> it wasn't it was a 4 to 3 definitive or that voted for it 125 million dollar bond that you've overridden so you're not taking the advice of them which is unfortunate. 379 00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:39,890 I mean unfortunate because you know, when I was at the meeting they had such incredible insights and they had spent such a long amount of time to review all the information and to be honest part of the reason why they wanted to start with a 380 00:42:39,356 --> 00:42:48,980 lower number of bond is because of what's happened as a result of this government campus because the people may no longer have faith in what you're doing. 381 00:42:48,198 --> 00:43:04,548 >> so they're they're actually they were very concerned very worried that if you came to the people with $175 million bonds that day, they would turn it down which could happen because everyone's on alert here now everyone's way on alert and 382 00:43:04,548 --> 00:43:05,449 that's the reason why they started lower. 383 00:43:05,449 --> 00:43:08,952 They were afraid the bond was going to be turned out and it could be a possibility. 384 00:43:08,952 --> 00:43:13,624 >> the thing is is that when the government campus goes to a vote, it's it's not going to pass. 385 00:43:13,624 --> 00:43:19,728 >> it's going to fail because we've been on the streets like we've collected. 386 00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:28,972 There's as richard warner said and I love his speeches you have little to no basically little to no support for the project. 387 00:43:28,972 --> 00:43:36,460 And when that happens on the capital fund by the way that can be used for a police station and in the next five years mr. 388 00:43:36,246 --> 00:43:54,765 Service in his presentation presented at 1.6 $1.2 billion is plan to be used for public works and engineering and utility services and I mean as we know and he'll probably deny it but the reality is a lot of that's going to be going towards 389 00:43:54,765 --> 00:44:09,279 the infrastructure of the government campus need to support the private buildings of tariff so on and so forth and when when the government campus is turned down you're going to be flush with cash and you can probably even build it on your own. 390 00:44:09,279 --> 00:44:11,679 Mr. 391 00:44:16,787 --> 00:44:48,585 Engine jonathan ag and 60 5a1 congress avenue so wanted to thank the council members that I had spoken with for the vote quarter meeting being postponed I'm a fan a good development not a bad development and not when it impacts their neighbors. 392 00:44:48,585 --> 00:44:49,530 >> but mr. 393 00:44:49,530 --> 00:45:03,267 Thompson's starting off today and talking about the times yesterday I spent a good portion of my day watching about charlie kirk which I have a little daughter and I see that and it hurts. 394 00:45:03,267 --> 00:45:23,821 But the one thing I heard was restoring faith which I think has been lost in this country a lot but being accountable to the people that you you disagree with that you may not see eye to eye with and what I heard yesterday was charlie kirk who 395 00:45:23,821 --> 00:45:35,990 has millions and millions of followers would leave a meeting such as this and respond to his emails and would respond to the people that he disagreed with. 396 00:45:35,966 --> 00:45:55,986 There are council members that I see up here that do that amazingly, the mayor responded to me last night and listen, it was great that it got postponed but there are council members that I didn't hear from that I did reach out to a number of 397 00:45:55,986 --> 00:46:16,600 times for calls that I two emails that I think would surprise some of the people in the city and I'm not going to mention a name at this time but I think that being responsive to your constituents in a town of 100,000 people that there's a very, 398 00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:27,618 very few amount of those people that do really, really want your ear on something that they feel impacts them that they want to speak to you. 399 00:46:27,618 --> 00:46:48,505 And I think it's important that you take this office or any other office that you have to be responsive to your constituents and there are a number of you like I said that that did do this that I that did ask for staff and to be involved and 400 00:46:48,505 --> 00:46:52,420 to have conversations and I think that's critical. 401 00:46:52,175 --> 00:47:05,880 And then the last point that I want to make is you do have people that are for smart development that are not against anything that you want to necessarily do there that may say there's a lot of this part of town that you're going to leave here 402 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,910 at rush hour. 403 00:47:08,258 --> 00:47:15,899 Take a look at the traffic at the worst part of the day that it makes sense for development that we continue to not do. 404 00:47:15,899 --> 00:47:19,970 But if you do want a successful government candidate, if you think there is any hope and I have to agree with mr. 405 00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:31,281 Coleman that what I see is not great for this thing passing you need to use voices in the city that aren't necessarily council that have lost the trust of the people. 406 00:47:31,281 --> 00:47:43,600 The developer is never going to have the trust of the people and you need to use the voice of the people that could maybe find something that may work for the people because that's the most important. 407 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:43,600 Thank you. 408 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:43,627 Anyone else? 409 00:47:43,627 --> 00:47:43,960 All right. 410 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,960 We'll close the time for open requests. 411 00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:46,930 >> mr. 412 00:47:46,930 --> 00:47:47,970 Brown. 413 00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:49,697 Yes, mr. 414 00:47:50,467 --> 00:47:51,568 Service, I would could you please respond? 415 00:47:51,568 --> 00:47:55,720 I know we again we get a different opinions but I'd rather get the facts. 416 00:47:55,238 --> 00:47:55,405 Mr. 417 00:47:55,405 --> 00:47:57,941 Service, please sir. 418 00:47:57,941 --> 00:47:59,900 Thank you, mayor on a couple just a couple of points regarding mr. 419 00:47:59,443 --> 00:48:05,820 Berman statements ,so are the city's five year capital improvement plan is 1.26 billion? 420 00:48:05,682 --> 00:48:06,830 That is correct. 421 00:48:06,830 --> 00:48:09,686 That is not just utilities and public works and engineering. 422 00:48:09,686 --> 00:48:20,630 That is the entirety of the city's five year capital projects and that is not just money that we have that is money from future sources grants, water revenues any any sources. 423 00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:25,168 So that's that's the totality of the city's five year capital improvement program. 424 00:48:25,168 --> 00:48:36,326 There's no project on there that funds anything related to the downtown redevelopment plan from territories me so that plan is publicly available. 425 00:48:36,326 --> 00:48:36,760 It's on our website. 426 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,462 It will be discussed it's being discussed in public. 427 00:48:39,462 --> 00:48:52,308 It will be discussed again on thursday if there's any project on there that anyone has a question about I'm happy to answer that but nothing nothing in that plan relates to the territories b development proposal. 428 00:48:52,308 --> 00:48:52,709 >> thank you. 429 00:48:52,709 --> 00:48:52,976 And mr. 430 00:48:52,976 --> 00:48:59,115 Service, there were also some comments about quote the boss and quote of the board I think mr. 431 00:48:59,115 --> 00:49:03,887 The gentleman was speaking about the chair of the volunteer or financial advisory board. 432 00:49:03,887 --> 00:49:06,489 >> could you just again recap what you said earlier? 433 00:49:06,489 --> 00:49:07,570 Yeah, that's that's mr. 434 00:49:07,157 --> 00:49:10,894 Grout the chair of the financial advisory board. 435 00:49:10,894 --> 00:49:18,680 He did make a motion at $100 million to make a recommendation a $100 million bond issue that died for a lack of a second. 436 00:49:18,501 --> 00:49:25,800 A subsequent member made a motion at $125 million and that ended up passing on a 4 to 3 vote. 437 00:49:25,308 --> 00:49:27,944 So it was a split vote as I mentioned earlier. 438 00:49:27,944 --> 00:49:35,852 And the three dissenting votes had an opinion that a higher bond amount was more appropriate for the project and so in mr. 439 00:49:35,852 --> 00:49:36,860 Was he one of the 4 or 1 of the three? 440 00:49:36,853 --> 00:49:38,288 He was one of the four. 441 00:49:38,288 --> 00:49:42,492 He's second of the motion so he was at least 125 and the other three indicated they would have gone higher. 442 00:49:42,492 --> 00:49:42,692 Correct. 443 00:49:42,692 --> 00:49:42,959 Thank you. 444 00:49:42,959 --> 00:49:45,295 All right. 445 00:49:45,295 --> 00:49:50,467 >> I think that because of that we have no introduction of ordinances we no quasi judicial public hearings for variances and appeals. 446 00:49:50,467 --> 00:49:54,700 So attorneys city manager reports and light of the hour no report. 447 00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:54,700 >> thank you. 448 00:49:54,504 --> 00:49:57,107 City reports no report. 449 00:49:57,107 --> 00:49:57,440 Thank you. 450 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,744 Council members, any reports of mr. 451 00:50:00,744 --> 00:50:00,910 Reader? 452 00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:04,714 If you'll just be a quick thank you I'll go very fast to there's been a long time. 453 00:50:04,714 --> 00:50:19,129 >> I'm going to put it up oh we got it okay well I to talk about all of them but I just want to before you go I know some some people have a hard stop. 454 00:50:19,129 --> 00:50:20,630 >> how long is your presentation? 455 00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:20,630 Roughly three minutes. 456 00:50:20,563 --> 00:50:20,764 Okay. 457 00:50:20,764 --> 00:50:26,503 Tommy, you run across anyone else of a report we just ask we all right. 458 00:50:26,503 --> 00:50:27,370 >> moderator thank you. 459 00:50:27,370 --> 00:50:31,608 The only thing I'll talk about is the way it construction ordinance. 460 00:50:31,608 --> 00:50:34,770 I brought this up before we've done research on this. 461 00:50:34,477 --> 00:50:35,780 I've had my interns do research on this. 462 00:50:35,478 --> 00:50:42,520 There are some significantly delayed construction projects in this city that can cause structural mine safety risks risk should be mitigated. 463 00:50:42,385 --> 00:50:50,360 I won't go through them all but there's structural hazards water intrusion hazards, fire inspection hazards, life safety code hazards. 464 00:50:50,360 --> 00:51:06,760 Anyway, there's some delayed high rise projects for years that have a at risk of structural degradation mold infestation fireproofing waterproofing public safety dangers, eventual non code compliance in many cases engineers should be doing a 465 00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:10,130 forensic structural assessment before this work can resume. 466 00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:21,458 But I'm seeking consensus here in advance for before is proceed that staff should proceed with an ordinance that requires an enhanced inspection and compliance of significantly delayed projects. 467 00:51:21,458 --> 00:51:22,920 We don't need to go into this today. 468 00:51:22,392 --> 00:51:35,972 We could bring it up for another workshop but I'd like to see support and yes, it's a long meeting but we do have lots of other things as we do in every meeting that we need to get done and one of them is projects that don't get completed after 469 00:51:35,972 --> 00:51:36,600 they're started. 470 00:51:36,406 --> 00:51:36,573 Okay. 471 00:51:36,573 --> 00:51:40,810 And now you could potentially be a lifesaver risk. 472 00:51:40,810 --> 00:51:51,870 So the idea is the intent of this ordinance is to ensure that construction sites that remain inactive were exposed to the elements for extended periods of time are subject to enhanced inspection remediation and compliance measures before the 473 00:51:51,588 --> 00:51:51,921 work resumes. 474 00:51:51,921 --> 00:52:04,868 Work for the project significantly delayed the other things we could talk about later but but but I really am imploring my colleagues to get some consensus here that staff should be working on this. 475 00:52:04,868 --> 00:52:07,871 It's not a complicated do ordinance. 476 00:52:07,871 --> 00:52:16,790 I can draft it myself but it's something that we should be working on because there are some projects here that are open to the elements especially after the rain that we've had just these past several weeks. 477 00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:27,824 It's a great concern of mine that these projects are not yet writing and they could be at risk upon completion and there's nothing yet as my understanding there's nothing in our code which which details it. 478 00:52:27,824 --> 00:52:32,610 So anyway those are my thoughts and I'm sorry such a late hour. 479 00:52:32,228 --> 00:52:32,562 That's right. 480 00:52:32,562 --> 00:52:33,396 Don't be sorry you you're there. 481 00:52:33,396 --> 00:52:35,310 We'll take whatever time. 482 00:52:35,198 --> 00:52:36,320 >> just wanted to ask in terms of others mr. 483 00:52:36,265 --> 00:52:39,736 Brown staff is evaluating the issue that mr. 484 00:52:39,736 --> 00:52:43,639 Wheeler is identified and will be coming forward with the recommendation. 485 00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:44,400 >> all right. 486 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:44,400 Thank you. 487 00:52:44,340 --> 00:52:44,707 Thank you. 488 00:52:44,707 --> 00:52:44,974 Appreciate it. 489 00:52:44,974 --> 00:53:02,358 Start to be really quick 60s I wanted to give an update on trial we had an update from our s c f rta chair marcy woodworth who's also a commissioner for district for the county and their lobbyist has sent a letter to the governor's office to 490 00:53:02,358 --> 00:53:14,570 reinstate and to the speaker of the house after you see the asset part of the tribune which is about $27 million and we're still working through the gap and that is going to be addressed during the overall legislature today the property tax 491 00:53:14,570 --> 00:53:17,273 select committee was meeting. 492 00:53:17,273 --> 00:53:22,780 We have two representatives from our area gazette simon and rob kelly skidmore are on there. 493 00:53:22,412 --> 00:53:28,184 The meeting I think was until four and it there's a little bit of a meeting tomorrow morning or the next day. 494 00:53:28,184 --> 00:53:44,434 Lastly I mentioned earlier the county wide transportation master plan you can visit ww dot pdc move.com to give your opinion there's 3 or 4 surveys from different angles whether you're a resident, a user, a business or a visitor. 495 00:53:44,434 --> 00:53:51,808 So if you want to take off or you can add a laugh or at least I want to congratulate my peers on and on a positive mr. 496 00:53:51,808 --> 00:54:07,560 Wagner and it's not for me selected to again for the league of city policy committees we're having their thursday after budget thursday night after budget to have our first meetings on friday and start getting ready for our legislative session. 497 00:54:07,557 --> 00:54:23,720 Of course ciara is will be discussed and out of law on taxes so again thank you very much and I just want to give those couple of feedback and if you're celebrating the holiday like some of us are listening so happy and three happy new year. 498 00:54:23,506 --> 00:54:24,700 Be safe out there. 499 00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:24,700 Thank you. 500 00:54:24,307 --> 00:54:26,676 Thank you, ms. 501 00:54:26,676 --> 00:54:30,513 Drucker and also congratulations and thank you to as well who's been reappointed to another committees of schools. 502 00:54:30,513 --> 00:54:35,318 >> very quickly I just wanted to thank everyone who who came out today. 503 00:54:35,318 --> 00:54:50,780 I spent a lot of time in the last couple of weeks since the last meeting meeting with people, speaking with people emailing, calling and I really mean it if I had more calls to make today when I go home or meetings this week with people you 504 00:54:50,578 --> 00:54:53,848 want to be heard you want more than three minutes. 505 00:54:53,848 --> 00:54:58,386 I have been sitting with some people for hours so please let me know reach out. 506 00:54:58,386 --> 00:55:01,889 I'm completely open to meeting with you and hearing your input. 507 00:55:01,889 --> 00:55:17,500 I just also wanted to say we were at the police department's celebration of their 100 year anniversary also this great celebration at the alison and thank you to the police foundation edison for putting that on and celebrating all the good work 508 00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:20,740 that our police department has done for 100 years. 509 00:55:20,208 --> 00:55:20,575 >> thank you mr. 510 00:55:20,575 --> 00:55:36,900 Nelson norbert thank you again, as I said multiple times we appreciate that we all come out as business equals just said you do not only have to come to city council meeting in fact I've seen a lot of people in the last few months where who 511 00:55:36,257 --> 00:55:40,428 have not emailed or not reached out and please we encourage you to do so. 512 00:55:40,428 --> 00:55:52,740 We understand it takes time to be here and we are about to respond in comments as well our development partner on this so please sign up for those upcoming shuras and on all issues whether it's the downtown or otherwise you try our best of be 513 00:55:52,740 --> 00:56:01,000 responsive and accountable for celebrating the new year like our family is a happy healthy one and happiness and healthy everyone in our city