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We'll pay the day.

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afternoon everyone and welcome. Will the clerk please call the roll.

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Clague, here, Jordan, Ludwig, McLean, Quintana, Tomson, all present.

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First, actually, second item on the agenda is a quest for approval of the minutes of the workshop of May 17, 2016 in the council meeting in the same day.

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Move approval of the workshop and regular evening meeting of May 17.

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those in favor say aye.

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O's nay.

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Motion passes.

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A third order of businesses to consent agenda.

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All items with an asterisk are considered to be routine by the council and will be enacted by one motion.

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There will be no separate discussion of these items.

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Unless the council member are citizens so request.

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In which case the item will be removed from the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.

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We'll

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I'm approval of the consent agenda.

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Moving second.

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I need discussion.

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Hearing none, will the quick please call her all.

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Thompson.

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Fleg.

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All in favor, motion carries.

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Or, the order of businesses are reading of ordinances.

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There are no items on the first reading calendar, which brings us to the second

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Mr. Mayor.

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I ask unanimous consent that all ordinances on the second reading calendar be read by

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number in title only and file for the third reading calendar.

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That objection.

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O-R-D-17-16 and ordinate Z-O-A-15-0-0-0-7, a mini-title 11 chapter 6 section 1, table 11-0-6-0-1, table of

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allowed uses of the Boise City Code to permit indoor recreational uses such as health

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club or similar uses with an existing buildings in the M-1-D, light industrial with

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design of use zone and providing an effective date.

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Mr. Mayor, third reading calendar, I move that further reading of

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ordinance 16-16 be dispensed with and the record reflect that has been read the third time in full.

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Second, roll call, please.

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All in favor of motion carries.

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O-R-D-16-16 and ordinance C-A-R-15-0-0-0-0-0-3-2 for property located at

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one, two, four and two, one, three, four, self-long mont Avenue.

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A menion zoning classifications of the city of Boise City to change the classification

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of real property, particularly described in section one of this ordinance from R-1-C single

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family residential eight units per acre to R-1-N-D residential town lot with design or view

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17 units per acre, setting forth a recent statement and supportive such is own change

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Mr. Mayor. Yes. I asked that ordinance 16-16 be approved. Second.

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Will the second is the right discussion.

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We'll clear please call the roll.

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All in favor motion carries.

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Pitch order of business and special business appointments have been

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10 of Mary and Jordan Scott Loebley's terms ending in May 2020-2021 and 2021 respectively.

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Mr. Mayor.

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I move the appointment of Ben Quintana to the capital city development corporation to complete an

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unexpired term ending May 1, 2020. The appointment of Mary and Jordan to CCDC for a five-year

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term ending May 9th, 2021, and the appointment of Scott Ludwig to the CCDC Board for a five-year

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term ending April 30th, 2021.

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Moving to second is very discussion.

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Hearing none, will the clerk please call the roll.

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next up item five four the appointment of Embers I'll say to the Public Works Commission for

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a one year term ending May 31st 2017. I just want to comment this is our student position.

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Embers here up in the front row. Great that it's been a great program to have a voice state

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engineering student to be out of public works commission and and continues that line.

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So we're really pleased to have a lot of talent.

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Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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I ask unanimous consent for the appointment of Amber Toledo to the Public Works Commission for

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one year term ending May 31st, 2017 and would echo what you said about how valuable it is to have that student member

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from that engineering department.

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Well, congratulations.

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We always allow our appointees to comment if you'd like to not required, but.

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Next up, the re-appointment of Connor Skibnus to the Public Works Commission for the remainder

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of our taxpayer term in September 14, 2018.

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Mr. Mayor, I would ask unanimous consent for the re-appointment.

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of Connor Skibniss, the Public Works Commission for the remainder of an unexpired term ending

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September 14, 2018 and comment that it's great that we had this unexpired term that

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our former student public works commission director could fulfill and thank you Connor.

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I don't think he is here today.

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right without objection right next up item six six work plan updates

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mayor council key goals basically year 2016 I'll

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be brief Mr. Mayor

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council members there was a memo in your packet proposed kind of a quick

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discussion outline per our practice of a monthly review of the work plan so the

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first item that we just like to do a quick update and I've asked Joanne to

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join me as just kind of how we're doing on some community engagement areas.

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I just wanted to give you a couple of quick updates.

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I have some handouts.

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If I could be someone to approach the bench.

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I'm going to sort of approach the bench.

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Thank you, man.

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to show that.

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Okay, so we've been pretty busy over here in the community engagement team.

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team. I'm really happy to share with you some complete projects right now. We have the recruiting

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materials that we're just completed. As many of you know, we are recruiting actively for CIO.

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And we put together a really nice materials of that in our team. We did just a phenomenal job with

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some of this as well as Chris Wagner, who's our internal graphic designer. So the handheld brochure

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that you have in your hand, that your holding is one of those materials, and then I just wanted

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to take a couple of moments and share this video with you if you haven't seen it yet.

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Some good work.

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So hopefully this will monitor technology's going to work for me.

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Just want to give you a preview of kind of the kind of creative content that's coming out of the team,

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and things like this are really helpful to show the true innovation and passion that is throughout these

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these halls so thank you. And then I'm just going to indulge me with one more video that I

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want to show you here and then we'll be done wherever it went. Okay so this is this is actually

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the downtown DBA presentation we're about ready to post this on our social media posts and this is

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a good example of taking something that the mayor did and then adding some creative creativity to

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to their graphic pieces and rolling it on to do a visual and then we're going to be

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posting this and so that therefore people who were not a part of the DBA presentation

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have an opportunity to learn what the mayor's vision is for downtown and really start

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to champion the message.

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Mike Laura, we praise that just a little, we'll take what the mayor did and add some creativity

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That's really not there.

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I didn't mean it like that.

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It's a great experience that came to me.

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I really re-work that since it's just a little bit.

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Not in the future, remember.

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so grateful for the opportunity.

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Because it's a transformation of time in downtown Boyson.

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I think it's such a great time to talk about the city's vision

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for downtown and how we're going to work together

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and make that vision happen.

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It's probably the most important of the elements I'm going to talk about and probably the most difficult.

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Generation after generation.

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I've added their chapters to the story of that time voicing.

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So then that will click through to your full presentation.

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So those are just some completed projects I wanted to share with you. The other big one that you can hear a lot more about is the parking program.

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So that was a folder I passed for everybody.

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And you've seen this creative the last time I was at before you.

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So I didn't have any slides prepared for that.

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But I just wanted to let you know that program is live.

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You will be seeing signage throughout many buildings in the downtown area.

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We will have our advertising campaign starting next week.

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Press release will go out this week.

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This is a big big effort and it's go time.

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So that's exciting stuff that's happening there.

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And then just some preview on some other work that I will be sharing with you in the coming

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coming couple of months is we're working on the public campaign and they create

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of materials for the transportation action plan.

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And we've got a lot to to before us around the sustainability efforts

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efforts with wastewater treatment, re-branding and curb it, you're going to hear a lot more

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about that in a moment, but we'll be working on the communication outreach efforts for

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a lot of those things, and a lot more to come on our housing programs as well.

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So, we'll keep busy this summer, but just wanted to continue each month to share with you

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some highlights as we accomplish them.

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So, the question this all looks great, but what does GEO stand for after Dixie Drain in the

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That's zero building.

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Yeah, yeah, grand opening.

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My short hand.

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Thanks for what I've missed.

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Grand opening.

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Questions on Q&D?

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Not on Q&D engagement.

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If it's okay with Mayor and Council,

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I'd queue to up just a couple topics that I just wanted to bring top of mind

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to let most of these that I was proposing for a kind of a deeper briefing

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with the council at the June Budget Workshop.

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So the following would be,

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we're, I've had discussions with Councillor Cotana

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about kind of energizer neighborhood,

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specifically from a VISTA perspective.

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What does that look like this next year?

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And so we thought it'd be good to circle back

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at the June Budget Workshop

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and have a full council discussion about energize

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from a VISTA perspective and then energize kind of 2.0.

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What could that look like in some of the geographies

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of the city?

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Council's perspective on that. Related to that, Council President Kleg has had some ideas

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on how we could kind of up our game from a neighbor out engagement perspective, so it'd

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be proposing to have that discussion during the June budget workshop. The next topic that

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we'd like to go a little deeper on is the housing strategy and specifically the five-year

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plan, so that topic would be proposed for next month's discussion to go a little deeper and

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visit kind of those different categories in affordable housing. And then last but not

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least, we'd like to block a good amount of time to talk about the capital improvement plan.

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I outlined in the memo, we've been doing some strategy sessions around the main library. We've been

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trying to come up with some financing concepts based on the three design options that the council

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had approved or where good was being final three options.

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So we'd like to go a little deeper into that and see if you're comfortable.

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And then today we're queuing off under a capital firm of plan,

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a follow-up on impact for these, so just keep in the momentum going on impact fees.

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And then the last thing I put in the memo is to have a discussion today of any additions or adjustments

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and the one I'm carrying that's in concept right now.

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council member Craig had brought forth previously kind of where the city could go on TODs and

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some key corridors and I know she just said that with Derek's team to talk about state street

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what could be scoped as a potential endeavor on that. So those are kind of, I guess, the high points

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from the work plan. Mr. Mayor, just on the TODs, the reason I brought it up is that the new

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transportation bill has specifically has some eligibility for doing some planning for

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TODs in it, and there seems to be an opportunity to take advantage of some of that to

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do some work that we've already committed to do in our MOU, so that we as we'll have a discussion

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about it, and then the two things on here that seem to, you know, I know that this is just

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high level list, but the downtown housing initiative, I think that I'd like to see an update

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on it.

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I know that Council Member McLean is interested in it as well, and so I'm just understanding

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where that is and what, as a council, we might be able to help give us visibility or whatever

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else it needs and that on Boise competes is a great list and I think this is where it fits.

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We don't have anything in here about the efforts to energize the industrial park area and

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especially see if we can do something to really increase our ability to handle freight out there.

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That's fair. Well, we'll add that specifically in that category because we've been doing a lot on that front.

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Jay, thanks for the update. This is excellent work.

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The one thing I think I brought up at one point, but I'm not sure if I've seen this in the memo or

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on this document was the key needs that the team needs from Council.

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Because we talked about any potential gaps on the sponsor side or if there's something that

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but we're missing that the team is looking for from us.

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I just wanted to make sure that we loop back to that one too,

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because I think a lot of this is kind of us asking for support

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from the staff.

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We'd love to know, what does the staff need from us

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if anything, just so we can help advance the work.

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Okay, that's very fair.

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And I think we could maybe focus in on that a little bit

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of the budget workshop.

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We are, I mean, we're working through it now,

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but we're building making some requests

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for some additional kind of one-time resources

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to address some of these larger capital primitive plants to get them to kind of their launch

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phase. We're realizing we need to add a little resource there.

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Any other questions or concerns

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about the work plan?

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Thank you for your time.

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Okay. Next up,

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36 street hill road could top

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out about landscape plant.

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Welcome. Thank you.

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Afternoon, Mr. Mayor and Council.

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With me today is Toby Norton to talk to you about landscaping

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for the 36th Street roundabout and I have a video as well.

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All right.

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Okay,

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so starting out to see that you're oriented.

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I'm pretty sure most of you are familiar with the site we've been talking about it for a few years now.

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years I think. I actually think it's 12. So in landscaping this project we have a few

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constraints that are opposing each other that we're trying to hit that sweet spot with. So here

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I'm showing the floodplain and wanted to explain that the aluvial fan effect and so this is the

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point mostly where the water floodwaters would be coming in the large 100 year event we would be

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expecting the debris coming down here, the highest sensitivity is here at this point where the water would then flow out and one of the main concerns is just anything that would create any kind of dam with that debris that would then push the water and expand the area to flood beyond what's shown here.

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This is just a aerial behind that in case anybody need a more details in one to see exactly where that

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the floodplain does flow.

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So then switching, this is ACHD's plan showing we've got about four different site-distance restrictions

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for various movements throughout the roundabout.

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So within these areas, you cannot have plants that are over three feet or pardon me.

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You need to be, yeah, between that three and seven foot range so that you could see pedestrians, cars, anything else that any other kind of activity.

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Additionally, so we've talked about this a little bit briefly about a year ago when we entered into the cost of your agreement.

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But typically in a roundabout, you would burn up in the center and then put your plants up

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there.

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Part of one of the other concerns is that you don't want the headlights to shine through

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to the other direction so that people don't get confused, that thinking that car needs

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to be on their left side.

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So we're working through the site distance, the flood plane, and so with the flood plane,

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you want plants that can actually lay down, should debris come, so we're just working kind

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a set here.

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Oh, maybe I, I have to escape. Thank you.

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Maybe not. I worked fine at my desk.

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That's okay. So what I wanted to show you with the video one, it shows you a little bit of just the layout and how it operates, but just gives you a perspective on the size of them round about and the landscaping.

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gaping, it just gives a little different perspective than the two-dimensional maps that we have here.

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So we did take a look at two density plans for landscape, and one was a higher density,

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and this one we had to forego because the density of landscaping did create conflicts with the floodplain

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and creating that damning effect. So we moved on to the medium density which has less planting in the center here,

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But we have swaths of higher plants along the edge to give that appearance of fullness.

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So we've got taller grasses and then fading into lavender around the outside and just the opposite on the other corner.

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And in the center here we have red carpet roses planned.

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We might need to adjust that a bit with some of the grasses just to work on that headlamps, the headlights from the cars.

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But we are proposing the carpet roses to help deter pedestrians from walking across the center of the island.

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There are also trees, we've got larger trees in each of the lobes of the roundabout as well as ornamentals here at the crab apple.

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And we've been working with ACHD also on the, we'll have to do a little bit of tweaking here for those sight distance that the grass is really need to pull back here

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we could do the low-growth sumac. So we've got a little bit tweaking but this is the general plan.

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These are the specific plants that we've also worked with Jim Lyleon that's spacing again

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on the floodplain concerns.

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Here is a conceptual rendering of what we're looking at.

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And then we ADHD has requested a fence through the center of the round about

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out to deter the pedestrians from coming through this.

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Mr. Mayor, I think Karen's pausing because she's heard from council leadership that the

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fence is not something that we think is a great idea.

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We don't support it.

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And in addition to that, the fence introduces another barrier to any floodwaters and so from

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a flooding perspective, it's actually a worse solution.

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and we think that it makes sense to recommend against it for that reason.

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Yeah, I agree. I don't like the idea of the fence at all. I think for the flood standpoint,

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it makes no sense for changing the vegetation to avoid damning effects and then we put up a fence.

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It's completely counterintuitive.

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And I think that between the vegetation that's going in, that will help navigate the pedestrian activity.

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And I'm sure that we can work on the enforcement piece and get the behaviors lined up properly, we should be fine.

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So the last item is the funding. So we have both the initial construction cross for both the high density and the medium density and then the annual maintenance cost.

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And as you've heard from us, the high density is not not an option, but it's here for comparison. So a funding source has not been identified for this for the 89,000 for construction and under 5,000 for the annual maintenance.

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maintenance. We do have an opportunity to come back before you should do approve this in June for an interim budget change.

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So a question on the maintenance. Do we have water rights in the

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Stuart Gulch in the ditch? Can we use that water? Do we have other water rights there? Can the school give us some?

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Mr. Mayor council member, we'd have to look into the water rights.

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So the way we have it designed now is a water meter has been installed on the island for

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our use as far as I understand it was not feasible to get the irrigation water up to the

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island there.

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So we resulted in using United Water for irrigation.

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It seems like we could circle back at least with the school district.

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I know they irrigate that front part and I don't think it's with potable water.

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Potentially we could utilize their water source and pay them for it. It would certainly be cheaper than using potable.

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Sure. Yes, and we are using drip irrigation. So we would be applying it in very low volumes, but certainly cheaper if we were able to use irrigation water.

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Here isn't there any project money for the media and so on or for the center of a roundabout.

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It's just left as dirt in ACC plan for these.

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Mr. Mayor, maybe I should back up, but I kind of went over quickly early on.

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You might recall that I came before you probably got a year ago with, we kind of called it the Moonscape plan.

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that was gravel with large boulders and that's what if we didn't participate that's what

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ACHD would put in the center of the round about to take care of the concerns that we talked about

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but actually the boulders even had floodplain concerns as well that they would move or could move

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with that much water and debris. So at that time Mayor and Council elected to enter into a

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and stall and maintain landscaping in this round about this in a very prominent location.

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I guess follow up on that.

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Remind me because I can't remember.

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Does the cost share include that ACHD will cover the cost of whatever it would have cost

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for the moon's cape and the boulders?

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Or do we cover the entire cost?

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Mr. Mayor, council member, we didn't push that issue at that time.

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In the past, ACHD has been made pretty clear that if they were to do gravel or whatever they would do would not be a credit.

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When we went through the transportation land use integration plan, that was a policy that they stated that point.

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And we did not revisit that issue with those folders.

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One, our moonscape, a clever day, and we would take that back to the exchange team.

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If it could have spent something to do moon, it would seem like we'd get that much.

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How much moonscape cost, but it's not nothing.

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Go ahead.

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Karen, on the landscaping, I would agree that a fence is not appropriate.

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I think we could get there with vegetation and education.

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And was the fence suggestion was that something that was going to be funded by ACHD or?

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Mr. Mayor, we did not had a follow-up conversation with ACHD on the fence yet.

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I was going to touch a base with you today.

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That's a real good.

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So Mr. Mayor, am I taking that not to being that we're okay with the medium density and to come back with

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Mr. Mayor, I don't know if we need clear direction, but if we do, I would, as you

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can understand, say that we are supportive of the medium density landscaping and would

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ask, staff to review the water rights issue and to review the cost share agreement with ACHD.

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That seemed reasonable. They've got some money to do.

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They had an, you know, lesser treatment.

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They should have that much to contribute to the more involved ones.

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So, okay, Matt, can you take that back and with all?

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And that we're not supportive of the fans.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.

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All right.

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It packed free program.

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Excuse me, I think I called you Matt, right?

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I'm sorry about that.

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I just, that was the previous ACCC guy.

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You know you're not all being Matt.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good afternoon, Mayor Council members.

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Yes.

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We are here to give some follow-up to three roundtable sessions that we had with some

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developers regarding our proposed capital improvement updates and impact

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program modifications. We did have three, certainly in my opinion, three very successful

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round tables. We invited approximately 50 members of the development community and had nearly 20

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folks attend to these round table sessions in participate. I'm going to go through very quickly

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seven primary themes that we heard from these round tables and then for more entertaining

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reading or creative reading, if you'd like, are some written comments that I have received

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after the round table sessions and then I also have a list of all of those folks that actually

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attended the round tables for you. The first theme that we heard was regarding

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the land use categories for the non-residential.

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So we have the commercial and the industrial

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and really what we're hearing was the high increase

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the substantial increase to the commercial category

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relative to the industrial

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and that the commercial categories seemed very broad.

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And we have a lot of comments and if there was a further breakdown on that

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And so what staff is recommending is that the city consider moving in that direction to get a breakdown on that and there's a lot of work that would have to move for us to move into that direction, but that is our recommendation.

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And then regarding the commercial and the industrial that significant increase, we are also recommending at this time that we consider phasing that impact fee in until as we progress and get our refined land use categories.

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What's in there?

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Mr. Rain.

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Good question.

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So you'll come back to us later with what the phasing schedule would look like.

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But you're just saying overall direction.

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That's what you heard, and that's what you're recommending to us.

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Mayor, Council Member, that is correct.

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Certainly following any feedback we get from you today or a redirection that we get from you today.

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We will follow up next month with a final study where we will validate all the calculations.

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produced the final output product and bring all final recommendations to you at that time.

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I think the primary concern that was heard in the round tables was that with that

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category being so broad when you have a function like retail that's very call intensive

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and then you have a function of white office that is not at all intensive that there

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to be a little more nuanced and that kind of goal. So that's really kind of what drove that.

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Mr. Mayor. I like this list. I guess my only concern is that it gets so complex that it's

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going to be hard to apply.

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So I guess I would warn that we try not to get too much into the details.

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But I think you've identified probably the primary differences in use. So.

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Mr. Mayor.

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I have one.

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All the quick question also.

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So going forward if these were the categories that it would be defined going forward

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as new commercial comes on.

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It would fall into one of the four categories and the fee would be associated would be

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based on that category.

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Mayor, Council Member, that is correct.

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Certainly going forward and what I envision is that we would first come to you with specific

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we would agree to those first and then start working with staff to align the data that is required to make to calculate those impact fees accordingly, as well as our permitting system to ensure that we're classifying the new development

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on the purple and use those classifications.

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The second primary concern that we're hearing about

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was regarding Barbara Bally, and I believe it's because

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we're experiencing a lot of high growth in that area right now.

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There was concern that the population projections were

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understated.

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And so in the memo that was provided to you,

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we've clarified how those projections were calculated

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And how it does right now align with state code, it does need to be according to engineering and planning criteria and be approved projections and compass is definitely that source for the valley.

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And our suggestion our recommendation is that staff also work with compass right now they're in the process of updating those projections in that we work with them.

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very diligently to get any updates or modifications accordingly.

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Tonya, on this one, I think you're on the right track. I guess the one thing I would add is that we should have

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PTSD or a calculation of how many building lots are approved today and check those with the numbers that we've got.

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And if they're out of line, in other words,

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if those productions are actually below what we're already,

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we already have approved either conceptually or in plaat,

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we should immediately adjust them to that number that we've approved,

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and then work with Compass to update in 2018

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when they do their published update, if that makes sense.

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So I'm not sure that we're even caught up to what we've approved today.

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Mayor Council member, I will certainly do that.

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I would just like to caution too on the flip side, though, of what we've been seen through,

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at least some of the revenue analysis, is that some of our other areas, such as Southwest,

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are showing much significantly slower from a revenue perspective,

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slower growth.

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And so we may want to broaden it at not just to look at Barbara Valley in terms of accelerated growth

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00:42:31,630 --> 00:42:36,330
on those projections and validated that way, but also look at Southwest, some of the areas

461
00:42:36,330 --> 00:42:41,270
that are going slower than anticipated to see if the population protection there is not

462
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:42,510
also overstated.

463
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:54,220
The third item is, and you'll see it in the, it was came in and is a written comment, was

464
00:42:54,220 --> 00:43:05,440
on residential expansion, since we are proposing to move to based on square footage of what

465
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:14,100
or a family room, et cetera, right now we do charge impact fees if we expand for non-residential

466
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:21,500
and upon research what we did find is that for a lot of jurisdictions that do base impact fees

467
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:28,500
for residential on square footage there are impact fees assessed for additions in that square footage

468
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:34,960
but the most common threshold is at 25% of an increase and that was applicable to all

469
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,640
expansion, it's not just residential, but it applied to the non-residential expansion

470
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,620
as well.

471
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:48,140
So that is why a staff would recommend that we consider as a fair and equitable application.

472
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,020
The further phase the impact fees are, I don't know, that's organic end up with.

473
00:43:55,140 --> 00:44:01,820
Are we allowed to implement the phase to approach from started we have to revisit it once?

474
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:07,640
I mean let's say we phased it a little every year, we could we do that at the outside,

475
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,560
we have to come back in, amend the ordinance in a year.

476
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:20,100
Mayor, in the research that I've done, if a jurisdiction had phased it, I had typically

477
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:25,160
seen where they had outlined the entire phased approach and had approved the entire

478
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,260
phased approach.

479
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:30,880
The fourth item?

480
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:31,960
Mr. Mayor.

481
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:32,500
Who has?

482
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:59,400
Back to this last one, certainly believe that large expansions of commercial uses need to have an impact fee adjustment if they are over a certain amount, but it occurs to me that assessing an impact fee on a remodel or addition to a residence.

483
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,260
Actually, is a disincentive to remodel and renovate or existing housing stock in some degree.

484
00:45:09,580 --> 00:45:15,140
And so I wonder if this is worth maybe a little bit larger discussion or at least a different threshold,

485
00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:18,140
maybe a 50 percent threshold instead of 25 percent.

486
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,820
I think we want to insent the renovation and remodel of our existing housing stock.

487
00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:25,820
to know

488
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,840
how other council members feel about that.

489
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:40,630
Council member, like I can certainly research it further to see what other jurisdictions do.

490
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:42,550
Okay, thank you.

491
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:47,400
The fourth item that was discussed.

492
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,640
Yeah, I just want to make a comment on what council member played brought up.

493
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,480
Because I think when we're talking about

494
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,880
remodels and additions, it depends on the use.

495
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:07,080
where if someone's doing an addition, that's an excessive rolling unit or intended to be a separate

496
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:12,340
or a living quarter, it makes perfect sense for there to be a development fee assessed on that,

497
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,800
because an impact fee to be assessed on that, because it would be an additional population.

498
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,960
If somebody is remodeling an older home, and it's the same people living in the home,

499
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:26,180
it doesn't seem all fair that there's an impact fee assessed on that model.

500
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:33,140
it's already been accumulated somewhere, and so I think there's a difference in the type of

501
00:46:33,140 --> 00:46:37,620
remodel that we're talking about. And you're very correct, Mayor Council member Jordan,

502
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,100
certainly for remodels that have no expansion of the footprint or the square footage,

503
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:49,760
would have no impact fee associated. There's typically just such a diff if the size is increased.

504
00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:54,960
But Mr. Mayor, I mean, that still doesn't make any sense today, because what if a family is adding

505
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:02,100
a family room. You know, it's the same people we're talking about population for residential

506
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:09,440
impact. And it's the same group people living in the home. They're not adding, you know,

507
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:15,100
turning the garage into an apartment or something like that. So I, that concerns me. I'm not sure

508
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:20,660
about that one yet. And I wonder what percentage of our impact fee collection we'd even be talking

509
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:27,660
about in terms of these type of remodels because it may be such a small percentage that

510
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:33,440
we need to look at the whole of it first before we go further with that one.

511
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,380
I will definitely do some more work on that.

512
00:47:35,380 --> 00:47:36,260
Thank you.

513
00:47:38,420 --> 00:47:46,380
The next item was discussed and you'll see in now written comments were also received regarding

514
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:52,680
just commercial parking structures. So these are structures that are

515
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:59,380
associated specifically with any type of other commercial building. And what I

516
00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:03,840
had had found in some research is that a lot of jurisdictions these were

517
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:10,360
exempt as being accessory. So I asked legal to do a little bit of research to

518
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:17,820
see if that was also applicable and what legal had come back with is that it does sound very

519
00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:26,280
duplicative of an impact fee under our state code as well. So for that reason, our recommendation

520
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:40,340
at this time is that if it is just a standalone parking garage structure, we would deem it as

521
00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:45,200
have a building and I'm building a parking structure as part of that that serves that building,

522
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:51,900
that the parking structure square footage would would be exempt. That would make sense to me.

523
00:48:52,600 --> 00:49:01,140
But a separate parking structure that I'm intending to utilize to make a profit to rent those

524
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:09,180
spaces and make a profit does have an impact because it does serve more cars coming into downtown

525
00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:15,040
and that doesn't seem like, even though it may serve existing buildings, it does seem to

526
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,540
mean that, so to me, it seems backwards that the stand-alone structure would be the one

527
00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:25,860
that we would do an impact fee on in the one that would be part of a separate development.

528
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:31,480
Another development, even if it was a separate structure, but it was associated with a larger

529
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:36,380
development, those I could see being exempt. I don't know how other folks feel.

530
00:49:36,380 --> 00:49:46,000
It's managed to question, would you envision, would you look at it as a commercial use at that point then if we were to have impact fees?

531
00:49:46,420 --> 00:49:56,280
Well, I know from, I guess I'm saying from a police, especially from a police and fire standpoint, that building does, in fact, have impact on service needs and service provision.

532
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:06,780
So maybe, maybe exempt from park, I could see that, but I think exempt from police and fire seems to me to be,

533
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:11,220
I don't know, how other folks feel about it.

534
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:13,320
Mr. Mayor, I'll just chime in on that.

535
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,860
I think having it go this route, based on recommendation.

536
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:20,220
I don't know if it would help and send others to build them.

537
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:24,780
And I almost see that if we had a problem or there was too much parking,

538
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:25,620
that's one thing.

539
00:50:25,740 --> 00:50:28,380
But the fact that we have too few parking for the future,

540
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,720
as we look at our downtown,

541
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:34,220
this seems like it could be a good policy decision for us to help

542
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:35,500
and send some of that activity.

543
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:41,480
because I don't see that adding it is increasing the service, you think it's going to draw more cars.

544
00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:45,900
I think we have the cars already coming, but there's no where to put them in a good way.

545
00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:49,400
They're using all the surface slots, but if we can have them in a parking garage,

546
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:50,900
then I should be a better use.

547
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:58,080
So I like this because it seems like it'll get us closer to having higher likelihood of having parking garage partners in the future.

548
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,140
And so because it's almost a supply and demand piece, I support the recommendation.

549
00:51:04,540 --> 00:51:07,840
That's my take on on this one.

550
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:13,920
And Mayor Council members, under the new land use categories, the parking garage, if

551
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:20,280
impact fees were imposed would be under the industrial classification, which is the lower

552
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,220
lower rate.

553
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,760
But like I said, up on research, when I did find jurisdictions with fire and police

554
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,940
impact fees, in many cases, these were specifically called out as exempt.

555
00:51:39,140 --> 00:51:40,600
more research.

556
00:51:46,510 --> 00:51:54,930
The next item is regard to infill versus new development in more of the open-space areas.

557
00:51:57,650 --> 00:52:04,630
And specifically, I assumed this was around the fire stations, and you'll see we did have an email response

558
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:13,170
of where there's something similar to the part situation of serving a primary close area,

559
00:52:13,450 --> 00:52:19,670
and then there's also a regional benefit, but it's very challenging to come up with different

560
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:28,330
degrees of impact for invalve versus new. And many other elements that need to be considered

561
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:30,870
regarding that.

562
00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:37,850
Certainly going forward, we can look at other methods of determining that degree of impact.

563
00:52:38,810 --> 00:52:45,850
At this time, what we have is our policy to provide an equal and uniform level of service.

564
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:51,900
On there.

565
00:52:52,140 --> 00:52:54,080
Tonya, I think you're right.

566
00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:58,040
I think at this point it would be pretty difficult to figure out that different level

567
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:04,980
service. I would like us to explore in the future doing with fire what we did with parks which

568
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:12,000
is create that regional impact versus the localized impact. And in that case, the capital

569
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:19,520
costs of new local stations may or may not be a reality. And if they're not, then infill could

570
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:24,180
be an example. But I think that's a big, much bigger discussion than would take a lot of work.

571
00:53:24,180 --> 00:53:27,800
I can't see it being ready for this, this iteration.

572
00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:32,160
It's agreed.

573
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:36,560
Our next item is regarding affordable housing.

574
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:43,040
As you know our current policy does state that affordable housing may exempt

575
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,460
upon your approval.

576
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:47,240
And we are moving in that direction.

577
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,180
We this year in 16, we did have some funding set aside

578
00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:53,480
and we did have one request for this exemption

579
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,580
and it was a very successful housing project.

580
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,960
So I think the city is moving in a good direction.

581
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,340
And there can probably be a little more outreach on that.

582
00:54:07,580 --> 00:54:15,220
Because from this comment, I took it to be that it's just not known about this exemption.

583
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,680
But it is available out there.

584
00:54:16,820 --> 00:54:19,400
So we do need to do a little more public outreach in that area.

585
00:54:20,970 --> 00:54:23,770
And then Mr. Mayor, I'm quick on that.

586
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:25,550
So you're saying more research on that?

587
00:54:26,070 --> 00:54:32,970
No, right now it's maybe deemed not suggesting we say exempt it from impact fees.

588
00:54:33,050 --> 00:54:34,130
You're saying more research.

589
00:54:34,610 --> 00:54:36,370
I want to make sure I understood what you're suggesting.

590
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:37,810
Thank you.

591
00:54:38,110 --> 00:54:39,090
Mayor, Council Member Thompson.

592
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:43,310
It is allowed affordable housing and has some criteria to meet.

593
00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:46,470
And we have that criteria outlined in our ordinance currently.

594
00:54:47,710 --> 00:54:59,290
It's not a blanket exemption because the one of the criteria that is required in that's per state code is that we have to have, we have to replace that impact fee revenue from another source.

595
00:55:00,730 --> 00:55:07,730
So in 2016, we have set aside funding to actually replace that impact fee revenue upon request for this exemption.

596
00:55:07,730 --> 00:55:12,310
And that's where we've had one request, it was very successful and we did replace that

597
00:55:12,310 --> 00:55:15,830
impact fee revenue.

598
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:23,990
But what it appears to be is that the development community is just unaware that we do

599
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:30,370
have this and it is available and they have to meet criteria for that but we are moving

600
00:55:30,370 --> 00:55:31,190
in that direction.

601
00:55:33,900 --> 00:56:02,280
Thank you Mr. Mayor, I kind of favor the way that we have this set up now because it gives us the opportunity based on the code section that says that we have to replace the revenue to review it for consistency and to really make sure that the criteria are being met and the community is being served, whatever the application is because I think affordable housing is something that can be defined in a variety of different ways.

602
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,460
and favors the review of these individually by project.

603
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:09,360
But I do agree that we need to do a better job

604
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,200
to get the word out on this.

605
00:56:11,780 --> 00:56:12,280
Thank you.

606
00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:17,500
Secretary, I, the category I'm a particular fan

607
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:19,560
of this institutional category,

608
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,600
which we've never had, right?

609
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:28,620
Because the book, not all those uses are tax exempt

610
00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:34,640
But the needs are still there, so I think that's a good category.

611
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:42,680
I don't want to start giving away, you know, the same kind of request could be made of these.

612
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,520
And I really like this category.

613
00:56:44,740 --> 00:56:47,600
They're getting this exemptions in all these other ways.

614
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,600
The impact you should be paid, I think.

615
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,740
So, that's the only thing that makes me nervous about the affordable housing one

616
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,820
Are we open in the door for more requests like that, but anyway?

617
00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:04,310
Okay.

618
00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:08,130
The very last item, and that will just be part of this study.

619
00:57:09,310 --> 00:57:14,790
It turns out that you'll see it in the written comments of different

620
00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:18,970
Comparabilities, different cities, from developers perspective of what

621
00:57:18,970 --> 00:57:22,850
they compare themselves against and where they do business.

622
00:57:22,850 --> 00:57:27,970
So we will certainly include some of these cities in that final study.

623
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:33,360
Tony, on this one, can you make sure to just connect with Nick Miller?

624
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,300
This is a line with the work that came out of boys he competes.

625
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,880
Because I know there were several comparable cities that we looked at and there was multiple categories.

626
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,900
It'd be great to line those and maybe we'll learn something new or maybe we can add a city or two

627
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:48,320
that really came out of that study.

628
00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:51,700
So just make sure to sync up with him because this really fits in the boys.

629
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:56,980
If we're going to be a place where you can develop, we want to make sure that we're comparable

630
00:57:56,980 --> 00:57:58,360
across those other markets.

631
00:57:58,620 --> 00:57:59,180
So that'd be helpful.

632
00:57:59,500 --> 00:57:59,620
Yes.

633
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:00,560
Thank you.

634
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,680
Thank you.

635
00:58:02,940 --> 00:58:03,800
Mr. Mayor.

636
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:05,460
Tonya.

637
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,820
Thank you for working on this.

638
00:58:07,940 --> 00:58:11,160
You state in your memo, and I want to ask you a question about it.

639
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:17,960
The developer feedback was very positive about the increased impact fees schedule.

640
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,720
That would surprise me, unless you didn't talk about how much those were.

641
00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:30,740
Mayor Councilmember Ludwig, I believe we gave you a couple of the presentation.

642
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:31,960
It was very detailed.

643
00:58:32,180 --> 00:58:37,340
We did go for a proposed schedule, and we went through some examples.

644
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:46,700
By feedback being positive, I think overall they appreciated the direction that the city was going

645
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:52,240
and how the city has been very open to listening to them, bringing them into the process.

646
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,820
They certainly appeared to me, and of course, Council Member Clay, and Council Member

647
00:58:58,820 --> 00:59:04,640
Jordan participated in these roundtables, it appears that they did appreciate a lot of the

648
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,500
work that the city has done and the direction that we're going in general.

649
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:14,880
Now, specifically to the increases, they understood the increases, they understood the

650
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,280
be seen for the increases,

651
00:59:19,940 --> 00:59:24,100
but they were all very positive, and it was a very good group

652
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:25,580
to work with.

653
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,460
It was mayor.

654
00:59:27,420 --> 00:59:33,320
The Council member led with my experience in the round table that I sat in on was that

655
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,160
people knew that there would be potential increases coming, and I think they were sealed

656
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,440
for a lot worse than what they saw.

657
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,660
They anticipated it being more than what it was, and I think there was great appreciation

658
00:59:44,660 --> 00:59:51,160
especially on the discussion about the commercial and narrowing the definitions on commercial

659
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:57,940
and office a little bit to help out with that. I kind of went into it expecting a lot more

660
00:59:57,940 --> 00:59:59,680
confrontation than there was.

661
01:00:04,060 --> 01:00:31,180
I think another important part of that discussion that came up in the two round tables that I was in is that the city's been pretty consistently in favor of making sure that we get our impact fees based on the reality of the situation in front of us in terms of capital improvement needs and also the reality of what generates those needs.

662
01:00:31,180 --> 01:00:37,600
And that if we could do that internally, then we'd be in a better position to ask our partners,

663
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,540
specifically, ASHD, to do the same kind of work.

664
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:47,240
And so I think the developers that were in the round tables, I was really appreciated the fact

665
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:52,840
that we were trying to go after this very transparently and very openly, so that we could

666
01:00:52,840 --> 01:01:00,440
align the impact trees with stated policies and values that we have, and so that we could be

667
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:06,820
a better position to perhaps ask our partners to do the same thing.

668
01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:12,940
Mr. Mayor. So you'll be able to, you're going to shoot us those, right, and, like,

669
01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:18,300
see those. And I, you know, I'm going back to Councillor member Ludwig's comment as well.

670
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:25,340
I would have guessed that biggest pushback would be on a commercial noncommercial, and it sounds like it was.

671
01:01:25,340 --> 01:01:55,320
I mean, where the most conversation occurred is related to item number one, which to me out of these, all of them are important, but number one in particular, and I wanted to make sure I understood, so the idea here would be to go forward with defining what these categories might be for commercial and phase those in over, so wait, hold off on that section of the impact fee.

672
01:01:55,340 --> 01:01:59,900
until they have been defined or, and then do it then or.

673
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,200
Great question, there are two options.

674
01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:11,340
And certainly the option that I had in mind was bringing a phased

675
01:02:11,900 --> 01:02:17,420
implementation forward with the industrial and the non-industrial category,

676
01:02:17,420 --> 01:02:29,300
But because it will take possibly two to three years to refine that non-industrial or that commercial category and a line of the data accordingly,

677
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:37,720
that we would work on that while we're implementing at least the industrial and the commercial categories and those fees,

678
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:49,700
rather than the alternative of waiting probably several years before we get to refine commercial

679
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:50,240
categories.

680
01:02:52,740 --> 01:02:53,860
Mr. Graham.

681
01:02:54,360 --> 01:03:00,540
I guess one final clarification on that, then as we go through this sort of phased

682
01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:08,500
in approach, given that we know that there's more complexity in understanding the

683
01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:17,480
structure will, will the fees that we impose in originally be reflect that complexity

684
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:23,360
and maybe be not quite the either or split that we have today that we are proposing?

685
01:03:25,460 --> 01:03:29,220
Or were you proposing implementing the fees as we presented them?

686
01:03:29,660 --> 01:03:34,080
Mayor Council Member, I was proposing implementing the fees as presented.

687
01:03:34,860 --> 01:03:36,420
but phased.

688
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:44,840
We might want to do a little bit more research on whether or not there's some

689
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:49,180
in between that would reflect if it's coming in complexities. Okay, potentially.

690
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:55,360
Okay,

691
01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:01,100
it counts, remember? I'm going to give you these and then we'll just move forward with the process

692
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:03,320
and the next steps are outlined in your memo.

693
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,740
Okay, thank you. Well, we take five and four

694
01:04:07,740 --> 01:04:09,700
head into the next item.

695
01:07:26,110 --> 01:07:33,190
We are back the riveting topic of curbside organic. It's a definition

696
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:40,810
of a slow news and we could seem to be. Thank you all for coming and turn it over to

697
01:07:40,810 --> 01:07:46,250
you folks, curb it to point all. Thank you, Mr. Mayor Good afternoon, Mayor Council members.

698
01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:51,450
With me today, I have Catherine Shoutini, our Solid Waste Program Manager and Heather Buchanan

699
01:07:51,450 --> 01:07:54,250
is our administration manager for public works.

700
01:07:54,990 --> 01:07:56,510
And thanks again for letting us come in and talk

701
01:07:56,510 --> 01:07:59,570
about the proposed residential curbside organic program.

702
01:08:00,250 --> 01:08:01,630
So today we're going to give you some background

703
01:08:01,630 --> 01:08:04,230
on the program, kind of where the impetus

704
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:06,450
for the idea came from.

705
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:08,710
Catherine's going to give you an overview of the actual program

706
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:11,110
specifics, giving in to cart sizes

707
01:08:11,710 --> 01:08:13,310
and what we'll be collecting, et cetera.

708
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:15,590
We'll turn it over to Heather and she'll cover the program

709
01:08:15,590 --> 01:08:18,030
funding piece and then I'll close it with a schedule

710
01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:20,110
and then we'll stand for questions that certainly throughout

711
01:08:20,110 --> 01:08:22,110
will be available for questions.

712
01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:27,150
So by way of background, in 2013, a city staff reviewed

713
01:08:27,150 --> 01:08:29,430
and updated the city's solid waste strategic plan.

714
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:33,310
And in that plan, there were goals that were related to

715
01:08:33,310 --> 01:08:34,930
curve side organics that was a recognition

716
01:08:34,930 --> 01:08:37,710
that we had a firm out of our waste dream related

717
01:08:37,710 --> 01:08:38,710
to organic material.

718
01:08:39,130 --> 01:08:41,410
So food waste that comes from food scraps,

719
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:44,750
and then grass clippings, what do you do

720
01:08:44,750 --> 01:08:46,650
breathe it comes from landscaping?

721
01:08:47,690 --> 01:08:50,090
And so one of the goals that we had in that program

722
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:55,770
the update of the Strategic Plan was to reduce our per capita waste generation, and then

723
01:08:55,770 --> 01:09:00,210
focusing on resource recovery, really trying to figure out how could we recover the resources

724
01:09:00,210 --> 01:09:04,330
that we knew were in some of that waste region that was going to the landfill, and specifically

725
01:09:04,330 --> 01:09:08,190
Curbsat Organics, how could we promote the highest value of that recovered material?

726
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:15,210
In subsequent to that update in 2014, Aida County commissioned a waste stream analysis with

727
01:09:15,210 --> 01:09:21,610
two primary objectives. One was to provide data on the composition and quantity of what was actually going

728
01:09:21,610 --> 01:09:26,490
to the landfill and then more importantly for us and kind of what we're taking action on is to provide

729
01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:30,550
data that can be used to plan future programs. I'm going to show you some of the information

730
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:36,870
that came from that waste stream analysis. So this is a look at for all of eight accounting. This is the

731
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:41,890
waste stream breakdown for all of the trash that goes to the eight accounting landfill. So this would

732
01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:46,430
include both residential and commercial and industrial for that matter.

733
01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:50,770
So this is a breakout of all the ways that goes to the landfill and I draw your attention

734
01:09:50,770 --> 01:09:52,430
to the lower right-hand corner here.

735
01:09:52,450 --> 01:09:58,350
This is the percent of organics that goes to the landfill from that complete waste stream.

736
01:09:58,670 --> 01:10:02,930
It's about 30 percent of the landfill is comprised of organics that comes and is delivered to

737
01:10:02,930 --> 01:10:03,510
the landfill.

738
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:04,870
This way.

739
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:07,170
Question on that.

740
01:10:07,530 --> 01:10:11,850
So up in the paper, there's the compostable paper that looks like it's maybe 3.8 percent

741
01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:17,370
would that also be part of the curbside composting or now?

742
01:10:17,970 --> 01:10:21,950
Mr. Mayor, council member, I think what we're going to limit it to is food scraps and we'll

743
01:10:21,950 --> 01:10:24,870
talk about we actually have a slide that talks about what we're going to accept and we're

744
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:29,590
limiting it to food scraps and then yard debris and I defer to any if there's a kind of a different

745
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:31,190
take on that.

746
01:10:31,190 --> 01:10:31,950
I think.

747
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:37,710
But then we kind of analyze and slice and dice the information in a little more detailed

748
01:10:37,710 --> 01:10:44,070
fashion. We find that specific to single-family residential homes in the city of Boise, there's

749
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:49,210
kind of a different break out of what we see going to the landfill. And in fact, almost 46% of

750
01:10:49,210 --> 01:10:54,530
the trash that goes to the landfill from single-family residential in the city of Boise is comprised

751
01:10:54,530 --> 01:11:00,070
of organics. And so when staff, we saw this information, there's an opportunity there to potentially

752
01:11:00,070 --> 01:11:04,370
beneficiously reuse those organics that are going to landfill. I'll just all kinds of benefits

753
01:11:04,370 --> 01:11:07,410
that come from reducing the attacks that are going to the landfill.

754
01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:13,310
And so out of this information, we decided that if we wanted to go ahead and try to achieve

755
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:19,430
some of those goals that were identified in the 2013 updated Southeast or TG plan, and in

756
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:23,270
order to divert, recycle over 40% of voices residential, organic waste, we're going to

757
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:24,070
require two things.

758
01:11:24,770 --> 01:11:28,630
One would be the actual composting facility, and the second would be the ability to collect

759
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:31,290
and haul the organic materials to take it to the composting facility.

760
01:11:32,010 --> 01:11:36,690
So, in 2014, late 2014, we started discussions with the public services, our franchise

761
01:11:36,690 --> 01:11:41,890
Haller, just to start the conversation on what would this take to achieve those top two

762
01:11:41,890 --> 01:11:46,350
bullets there, actual building accomplishing facility, and what would be the financial capital

763
01:11:46,350 --> 01:11:51,270
impacts of the ability to collect and haul the organic material from just residential

764
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:52,350
kerbset or ganks.

765
01:11:53,710 --> 01:11:59,570
And so, in 2015, Republic came back with a cost estimate, really was a performance that they

766
01:11:59,570 --> 01:12:04,190
outside of GANX program. Again, just emphasizing this is residential only. And based on that

767
01:12:04,190 --> 01:12:09,610
information we got back from public, it seemed apparent to a staff that this was worth pursuing

768
01:12:09,610 --> 01:12:15,270
further, that the cost implications that we'll get into and much more detail later seem to be

769
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:20,090
worth going further and pursuing, if you see if we could pull this off, the curves out of GANX program.

770
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:29,550
So at that point, about two years ago, eight of county formed what's referred to as the

771
01:12:29,550 --> 01:12:37,730
trash to the landfill, in addition, there are folks who are kind of citizens that large and other folks that may have an interest in kind of trash issues.

772
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:50,910
And so at one point about early 2015, we floated the idea to the Solid Waste Advisory Committee and the potential for initially we thought what if we put the composting facility at the 80 county landfill.

773
01:12:51,450 --> 01:12:56,890
And based on feedback that we got from the citizens, there's a citizen member on that committee.

774
01:12:57,570 --> 01:13:00,210
And then also the county, there was a lot of concern about voters.

775
01:13:00,950 --> 01:13:05,310
The county had worked very hard to try to address the other issues at the county landfill.

776
01:13:05,950 --> 01:13:10,250
And they were concerned about maybe this causing issues related to voter.

777
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:14,590
We're very confident that a well-operated composting facility does not have voters.

778
01:13:14,590 --> 01:13:20,030
in fact we visited one out in Corvallis, that is very well operated and didn't have any

779
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:20,250
orders.

780
01:13:20,910 --> 01:13:25,270
But appreciating the concern, we decided what, we went back to Republic and asked, what happens

781
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:30,470
if we would pivot and potentially locate the composting facility at our 20 miles south

782
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:32,090
farm, what are the consequences of that?

783
01:13:32,670 --> 01:13:35,310
And they were almost the menimists, they were very minor.

784
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:40,890
So we decided maybe it's just best, in order not to kind of have to address that over issue

785
01:13:40,890 --> 01:13:43,770
in an area that has a lot of citizens surrounding landfill.

786
01:13:43,770 --> 01:13:48,270
Maybe we pivot and go down to our 20 miles south farm where we have available acreage.

787
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:49,290
This may.

788
01:13:50,590 --> 01:13:53,130
I have a question on the location piece.

789
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:57,890
I appreciate that you guys are trying to be sensitive about the concerns and I think that's really wise.

790
01:13:58,850 --> 01:14:05,110
I wonder if in any of your conversations did you look at all of the land that we own out near the airport,

791
01:14:05,410 --> 01:14:11,990
which seems to be a lot closer than the 20 miles south farm and talked to us about that analysis a little bit, please?

792
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:19,130
Mr. Mayor Counselor, Mr. Jordan, but the level of analysis wasn't detailed to a point

793
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:21,850
where we looked at specific parcels that we own as a city.

794
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:27,050
I think it jumped out to us that we already had the farm composting fit well with that

795
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:28,830
operation, a farming operation.

796
01:14:29,610 --> 01:14:35,910
There is potential for birds, other type of wildlife that probably wouldn't be very conducive

797
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:36,930
with an airport environment.

798
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:41,890
And so that's where we kind of decided probably want to go south and be in an area where we're

799
01:14:41,890 --> 01:14:45,890
not really surrounded by any neighbors and fit well with what we had at the farm.

800
01:14:50,710 --> 01:14:55,750
Okay, with that I'll turn it over to Katherine and she's going to get into some details on the actual program itself.

801
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:59,970
So some of the things that we've looked at are kind of the best practices around the country.

802
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:21,700
We want to focus first on residential customers only, get our feet wet, get that going and do it very well. It will be curbside collection with the specialty mark to 95 gallon carts.

803
01:15:21,700 --> 01:15:26,080
Republic is willing to offer customers the smaller size cards of 48 gallon or

804
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:31,480
this is 65 gallon so we want to write size folks's service whatever fits your

805
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:34,780
situation the best and we know that we're going to have customers with unique

806
01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:38,620
situations and we want to work with them to provide the right size service for

807
01:15:38,620 --> 01:15:43,260
their needs. The curbsite collection will be weekly and it will be year

808
01:15:43,260 --> 01:15:46,760
around because we will be able to collect all of the food scraps as well as

809
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:51,480
yard waste and we have found really with our leaf collection and Christmas tree

810
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:53,760
collection program over the last few years.

811
01:15:53,820 --> 01:15:56,020
Mother Nature Drops leaves is early September

812
01:15:56,020 --> 01:15:57,440
and is latest January.

813
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,680
So we know that we have a lot of materials that are being

814
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,940
landfill or held on to impact yards that throughout the year

815
01:16:03,940 --> 01:16:06,380
that we could be taking in a curbside program.

816
01:16:06,980 --> 01:16:09,620
Mr. Mayor, a quick question on that.

817
01:16:09,620 --> 01:16:12,980
I turn on the different size with that result

818
01:16:12,980 --> 01:16:17,320
in a different cost, so less if you have a smaller one.

819
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,760
Mr. Mayor, councilmember, there is no differential

820
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:25,760
the size of the car is just what will work the best for you.

821
01:16:27,540 --> 01:16:30,220
There's really no way around.

822
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,880
If you have glass recycling,

823
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:35,870
regular waste and organic shit get poor.

824
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,020
Can there's no way around that?

825
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:38,600
Is there a meaning?

826
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:41,760
They don't do it, do it.

827
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,480
Reset the client again.

828
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,320
Mr. Mayor, there are communities that do that.

829
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:53,860
However, it oftentimes means a modification to the trucks in order to provide that kind

830
01:16:53,860 --> 01:16:54,140
of service.

831
01:16:54,340 --> 01:16:56,880
So you spend it one way or you've kind of spend it in another.

832
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,220
And that's why we want to work with customers.

833
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,420
Ultimately, you know, the goal is to reduce the amount of trash folks are setting out.

834
01:17:03,700 --> 01:17:07,940
You know, that's our long-term goal is the less trash and the more that's diverted or reduced.

835
01:17:08,620 --> 01:17:12,920
And so hopefully customers can kind of find that right mix of services for their needs.

836
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:17,360
Okay.

837
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:23,240
that we have right now. Are they in three sizes two? Mr. Mayor Council member, yes, we offer

838
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:27,940
three sizes in trash, recycling and now in the composting. So it's the smallest garbage

839
01:17:27,940 --> 01:17:35,420
can right now, the same size as the glass. Mr. Mayor, no, it's actually the recycling for glass

840
01:17:35,420 --> 01:17:39,820
is a 65 gallon cart that's the middle size. Oh, so you can go smaller. You can't go

841
01:17:39,820 --> 01:17:44,620
Okay, so then this mayor. I actually need to get smaller. I thought we had this moan.

842
01:17:45,980 --> 01:17:51,660
So my next question is related to that. So I know you'll get to rates shortly.

843
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:57,660
But right now I have a smaller garbage can. So do I get a rebate or something back monthly

844
01:17:57,660 --> 01:18:05,720
for using that smaller garbage can? Mr. Mayor council member. Yes, you do get a reduced rate for using a 65 or 48 gallon trash cart.

845
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,520
is at the same rate for both the 65 and the 48.

846
01:18:08,980 --> 01:18:10,620
And what is that?

847
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,120
It's about a dollar last a month.

848
01:18:14,460 --> 01:18:14,940
All right.

849
01:18:15,060 --> 01:18:15,860
Can these difference?

850
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:17,020
Wait a minute.

851
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,440
This target is

852
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:22,120
built.

853
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,960
It literally goes to there's no one who goes to South America.

854
01:18:31,070 --> 01:18:32,850
Mr. Mayor, council member, absolutely.

855
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:33,950
We want those leaves.

856
01:18:34,190 --> 01:18:37,710
And you can put them out any time you generate them.

857
01:18:37,930 --> 01:18:38,810
Good for you, teacher.

858
01:18:38,970 --> 01:18:41,210
Big tree that dumps a lot all at once.

859
01:18:41,210 --> 01:18:48,830
would we allow stickers like we do with trash cans for extra organic material pick up on those

860
01:18:48,830 --> 01:18:54,390
on those specific what maybe once a year on those days when you have those. Mr. Mayor,

861
01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:59,810
councilmember, we will allow people to continue to use during that kind of leaf collection period,

862
01:18:59,890 --> 01:19:04,390
the paper bags, because we know they work really well. Okay. If you do have a tree that drops suddenly,

863
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:09,190
And we'll take them as long as you're part of the weekly pickup.

864
01:19:11,010 --> 01:19:17,590
Secondly, if I could to the size, I've done just a quick look around in the country.

865
01:19:18,190 --> 01:19:22,810
And in terms of the cards that seem to work with our, with the trucks,

866
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:26,130
Republicans, and you guys can certainly correct me if I'm wrong.

867
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:31,590
It appears that if there's a 35 gallon size and not just a 48 gallon.

868
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:39,530
And I wonder if, yeah, they're very skinny and I wonder if, especially, you know, in some instances,

869
01:19:40,850 --> 01:19:46,050
a lot of folks, we, for instance, have the 65 gallon trash cart only for yard waste.

870
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:49,830
We don't come close to needing that for trash.

871
01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:55,670
I wonder if, as part of that, this we could explore having that even smaller size for trash.

872
01:19:55,670 --> 01:19:58,750
And if you go to that, have an extra reduction

873
01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:01,470
for taking that very small size and trash.

874
01:20:01,950 --> 01:20:05,290
Mr. Mayor, Councilmember, when we evaluated the

875
01:20:05,290 --> 01:20:07,790
curbate program in the beginning, we did look at the

876
01:20:07,790 --> 01:20:09,670
small size cards of 35 gallon cards.

877
01:20:09,810 --> 01:20:12,430
Most communities that we talked to that had those

878
01:20:12,430 --> 01:20:14,410
recommended that we not use them.

879
01:20:14,410 --> 01:20:17,170
And the biggest issue was it can be very hard

880
01:20:17,170 --> 01:20:19,670
particularly in the winter months to get the trash

881
01:20:19,670 --> 01:20:20,550
out of those cards.

882
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:23,790
It tends to pack in the bottom and it's pretty hard to get

883
01:20:24,410 --> 01:20:28,410
solid trash out of the bottom of those cards they also suggest pizza boxes are a nightmare

884
01:20:28,410 --> 01:20:33,470
getting out of those cards. So that's why we didn't go with them originally. We can

885
01:20:33,470 --> 01:20:39,530
re-look at that and see if we want to make those available. Another option for folks is we

886
01:20:39,530 --> 01:20:44,650
may want to set up a structure or a rate structure over time that would incentivize people to

887
01:20:44,650 --> 01:20:48,570
set out their trash less frequently. So if you don't fill in your card every week, set it

888
01:20:48,570 --> 01:20:52,750
out every other week or maybe once a month and we come up with a system or a rate structure

889
01:20:52,750 --> 01:20:55,150
that would incentivize people to really reduce

890
01:20:55,150 --> 01:20:57,070
their amount of pressure that they're setting up.

891
01:20:57,450 --> 01:21:00,250
The biggest cost is driving down the street

892
01:21:00,250 --> 01:21:02,110
and emptying that container.

893
01:21:03,310 --> 01:21:05,190
So I think that there's lots of opportunities

894
01:21:05,190 --> 01:21:08,910
with this program to work towards the future of reducing

895
01:21:08,910 --> 01:21:13,090
the waste we're producing and providing pay as you throw

896
01:21:13,090 --> 01:21:16,170
or an opportunity to really reward people

897
01:21:16,170 --> 01:21:18,210
who reduce their amount of pressure that we now.

898
01:21:19,050 --> 01:21:21,830
This man just had, I think, anecdotally the feedback

899
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:24,510
that we've gotten from citizens who we've talked to.

900
01:21:24,670 --> 01:21:26,330
I think that's probably the primary concern

901
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:28,650
is I've got now four cards or three cards.

902
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:31,230
And so we're going to try to be very sensitive to that

903
01:21:31,230 --> 01:21:33,050
and try to develop options that will help

904
01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:34,610
address that concern that's definitely the one

905
01:21:34,610 --> 01:21:35,850
that probably popping up in the most.

906
01:21:36,090 --> 01:21:38,910
And oh, if I could, Mr. Mayor, my son lives in Seattle

907
01:21:38,910 --> 01:21:41,130
and he doesn't, his trash is not a cart.

908
01:21:41,290 --> 01:21:44,550
His trash is really a very small bin that they don't physically.

909
01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:51,760
The materials that we'll be collecting are kitchen scraps

910
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,480
in yard waste and I'm glad that we heard the conversation

911
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:59,260
about the compostable paper products. Obviously, a small amount of compostable paper products is not

912
01:21:59,260 --> 01:22:03,700
going to be a problem. Folks want to put out the leaf bags. We can deal with those. In the

913
01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:07,660
beginning, I don't know that we would want to take a lot of compostable paper products, but it is

914
01:22:07,660 --> 01:22:12,080
something that we will be working through. Leaves and Christmas trees, as we mentioned, bundle

915
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,180
branches, all those branches that come down in the middle of the year that you want to get rid of.

916
01:22:16,180 --> 01:22:21,580
We'll be able to take care of those. And it is unlimited collection and customers can rent extra

917
01:22:21,580 --> 01:22:26,540
If you have a large yard, I have a third of an acre with a lot of plant material because I like to grow things.

918
01:22:27,220 --> 01:22:29,200
I may be the kind of person who wants two carts.

919
01:22:29,940 --> 01:22:33,960
There may be lots of folks out there that have acreages or property with a lot of trees.

920
01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:37,300
They may want additional carts, and we're going to make those available for folks.

921
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:43,700
The composting facility will be located at the 20 mile south farm site, a steep mentioned earlier.

922
01:22:43,700 --> 01:22:54,080
And we did take a look, you know, at least in a cursory level at other properties the city had, and because of the FAA rules for bird attractance, composting is not recommended near airports.

923
01:22:55,380 --> 01:23:01,720
This is an ideal site even though it's further out of town and it is a bit of a drive, but it is an ideal site from an operational perspective.

924
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:06,240
There's water there, there's good transportation system there, we can access the site very easily.

925
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:10,540
Republic services will develop and operate the site, the city will own it.

926
01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:16,420
They expect to be able to create finished compost within about 100 days from start to finish.

927
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,840
We will own the city, we'll own the finished product.

928
01:23:20,820 --> 01:23:24,840
We built into kind of our rate structure that about 50% would be sold.

929
01:23:25,340 --> 01:23:32,200
50% would be available to put on city properties, golf courses, parks, public lands where we might need it.

930
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:37,080
And then we would also make some of that material available to the public at no charge.

931
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,140
The program would be launched some time in the spring of next year.

932
01:23:41,180 --> 01:23:42,220
My goal is March.

933
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:47,920
We typically see our trash volumes got 30 to 40 percent in March to April.

934
01:23:48,140 --> 01:23:52,300
So I'd kind of like to have it start about the time we're starting to see that volume increase.

935
01:23:52,740 --> 01:23:58,420
But a lot of it will have to be dependent upon getting the trucks in the equipment here in time to launch it.

936
01:23:58,420 --> 01:23:59,280
Next spring.

937
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,140
Mr. Mayor.

938
01:24:01,460 --> 01:24:07,060
Katherine, on the 50% so that's one part that well I understand being worked into the

939
01:24:07,060 --> 01:24:13,000
rate structure sounds like that was an important component of that.

940
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:20,940
I have difficulty increasing rates on one hand and then not offering the product to our citizens

941
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:22,600
on the other.

942
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:35,960
And while you suggest possibly recommended giving some of it, I like the concept of giving certainly to our parks.

943
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:44,940
That makes sense that reduces costs to our citizens, and it's a great use, but whatever's left, first offering that,

944
01:24:44,940 --> 01:24:51,040
And, you know, at least a residential level free of charge, because the residents were other

945
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:56,240
ones at large-scale companies coming in and taking it all, but small residential

946
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:00,620
were coming, filling up their truck, taking it and putting it on their yard.

947
01:25:00,980 --> 01:25:07,100
I love that concept, and what does that do to the race structure if we offer it all of

948
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:08,660
it, to the public for free?

949
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,920
Mr. Mayor, council member, one of the things that we did look at is where other communities

950
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:20,100
have done similar programs, oftentimes they have found that they produce more compost than

951
01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:27,280
they can actually give away. So they're sort of that other side of the point. And then

952
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:32,980
I'll let Heather talk about the amount of revenue that we expected from that.

953
01:25:33,580 --> 01:25:39,920
May I count some member? In our program our will include about $64,000 of revenue from the

954
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:46,720
So it's actually a pretty small amount, if we weren't to sell, it wouldn't make, we figured

955
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:51,620
it would per customer per month, it's about a seven-cent difference, so it's not huge enough.

956
01:25:52,420 --> 01:25:54,880
Okay, so just a little quick follow up on that, Mr. Mayor.

957
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:00,560
I think it'd be great to be able to give as much as we could.

958
01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:08,540
I mean, use as much as a city and then give as much as we could and sell the rest because we don't want it to.

959
01:26:08,540 --> 01:26:17,860
we have to get rid of it. But if there are citizens there ready to pick it up, give it.

960
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:26,620
I think that's a great perk of this program. And it goes to the concerns of those that are already

961
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:33,760
composting. That concerns still exist, so I'm to agree, but it helps if they know they're going to get as much

962
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:38,320
they can take, and then we sell the rest, especially knowing it's a small component of the feed.

963
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,900
So Mr. Man, Council Member, I appreciate the comment, and I think one of the things we actually talked about,

964
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:48,500
and I haven't worked out all the logistics of this yet, but from the farm, we'd be able to back

965
01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:52,780
call it to the city. So we have trucks that deliver stuff to the farm, and then head back to the

966
01:26:52,780 --> 01:26:55,620
tree and plants. We're trying to work out some of the details, but we might be able to back

967
01:26:55,620 --> 01:27:00,160
call it to say a central location like the voici water shatter, and then make it available for free

968
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:03,520
and so appreciate the comment. We'll look into it.

969
01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:06,410
We wanted to give you some ideas.

970
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:07,870
Yeah, let's go ahead.

971
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:11,290
Katherine, or whoever's doing the financial analysis this,

972
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:12,630
I don't think I saw a performer.

973
01:27:12,990 --> 01:27:14,710
So I have some questions along those lines,

974
01:27:15,210 --> 01:27:19,170
because at first blush, I'm somewhat opposed to an increase in fees

975
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:26,630
or the cost of this other than the cost of the cart.

976
01:27:27,290 --> 01:27:30,590
At least at this point, I think this is something that is very important.

977
01:27:30,590 --> 01:27:36,570
all, I think, encourage conservation. But when you say, you've done a per form, a couple

978
01:27:36,570 --> 01:27:42,530
of questions for you, as I'd like to know how you got to $64,000 on the 20 mile farm retail

979
01:27:42,530 --> 01:27:48,370
side, that surprises me because I would pick that number of these significantly higher, but

980
01:27:48,370 --> 01:27:55,550
I don't know. And then on the front side, the reduced landfill costs that would save the city

981
01:27:55,550 --> 01:28:02,350
the taxpayers on the front end of the back end, I really think there needs to be a significant

982
01:28:02,350 --> 01:28:07,590
analysis to determine whether or not there needs to be a fee increase. I'm not faulting

983
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:11,210
a republic, they're entitled to make a profit, and that's a whole other animal I'm not talking

984
01:28:11,210 --> 01:28:20,450
about right now, but to really determine how this sort of an innovative and creative and something

985
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:30,330
that we should encourage effort could be done in such a way that the user, which I'm

986
01:28:30,330 --> 01:28:35,410
support voluntary use at this point in time, but the user of this service might not have

987
01:28:35,410 --> 01:28:39,310
a fee because of the front and back end savings or revenue.

988
01:28:40,110 --> 01:28:46,370
So I was surprised when you got to 64,000, might not so sharp pencil had substantial revenue.

989
01:28:47,650 --> 01:28:53,790
Mr. Mayor, Councillor, fair question, I think on the 64,000 piece we're trying to be somewhat

990
01:28:53,790 --> 01:28:58,990
conservative because we take that, what we take on the revenue side for selling compost,

991
01:28:59,210 --> 01:29:03,770
we use that to reduce rate impacts to citizens. So we're trying to be somewhat conservative

992
01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:07,230
if that market wasn't there and we had to come back for another rate increase. We're trying

993
01:29:07,230 --> 01:29:16,350
to be conservative on that front. And then as far as the larger cost of the program, one of

994
01:29:16,350 --> 01:29:22,230
value. There's certainly airspace at the landfill, significant savings that will see by not using

995
01:29:22,230 --> 01:29:27,210
the landfill. So we had an estimate about five to six dollars per cubic yard of airspace

996
01:29:27,210 --> 01:29:32,770
that it takes to develop a landfill. And so when we think about the capital costs on the on the

997
01:29:32,770 --> 01:29:38,250
on the on the front side of a composting program, we think we'd be able to recover those costs

998
01:29:38,250 --> 01:29:46,330
and maybe a 25 to 30 year period on a net present value. So from a financial standpoint, on a

999
01:29:46,330 --> 01:29:53,430
that present value calc, and then on the ONM side, you'll see that we'll have a slide here

1000
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:56,170
that talks about the reimbursement rate to Republic Services.

1001
01:29:57,130 --> 01:29:59,970
That rate gets offset by the...

1002
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,280
Saving the landfill savings and the limited revenue will see on the composting sales. You'll see here in a second how that breaks out. Hopefully that'll help a little bit.

1003
01:30:09,700 --> 01:30:18,700
So to just orient you to where we're located. The 20 miles south farm site is really 20 miles south of the west voice of wastewater treatment plant off of the end of Cloverdale Road.

1004
01:30:19,260 --> 01:30:25,700
Now, we have a location of about 8 to 10 acres on that site that's not really farmable land,

1005
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,500
but it would be absolutely perfect for composting facility.

1006
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,900
And so we can designate that.

1007
01:30:31,540 --> 01:30:33,480
We have the road to, we have water available.

1008
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:39,700
And because it's within the farming operation, we have the opportunity to permit the facility

1009
01:30:39,700 --> 01:30:40,800
in that location.

1010
01:30:45,330 --> 01:30:46,790
So, you need to go from here.

1011
01:30:47,610 --> 01:30:48,830
Okay, I get this one.

1012
01:30:48,830 --> 01:30:52,010
All right, so our investment, getting into our money.

1013
01:30:52,450 --> 01:30:54,170
Republic services will need to purchase

1014
01:30:54,170 --> 01:30:58,210
15 new, compressed natural gas collection trucks for the program.

1015
01:30:59,030 --> 01:31:00,770
We have to purchase the composting equipment.

1016
01:31:00,770 --> 01:31:02,010
It is a wind road turner.

1017
01:31:02,090 --> 01:31:05,150
One of those previous pictures you saw the big piece

1018
01:31:05,150 --> 01:31:06,990
of equipment that actually would go through

1019
01:31:06,990 --> 01:31:09,290
and turn the rows very frequently.

1020
01:31:10,350 --> 01:31:15,330
And then 73,000, we have over 73,000 residential customers now.

1021
01:31:15,610 --> 01:31:17,710
73,000 residential carts to be purchased

1022
01:31:17,710 --> 01:31:22,370
and then to develop the compost site, the city will do the siding application that conditional

1023
01:31:22,370 --> 01:31:27,510
use permit with the county. The siding application has to be submitted to DEQ and Central

1024
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:32,170
District Health within also work with them on the review of the siding application and the

1025
01:31:32,170 --> 01:31:38,110
operating plan, which all have to be permitted. Republic will prepare the operating plan.

1026
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:42,190
We're going to have to work on this kind of concurrently together with the siding application

1027
01:31:42,750 --> 01:31:45,850
and the city will provide the location and the water for the facility.

1028
01:31:51,380 --> 01:31:57,500
As we discuss in this kind of gets into the performer part of things, our reimbursement

1029
01:31:57,500 --> 01:32:01,740
to Republic Services would we are expecting to be about $5.86.

1030
01:32:03,020 --> 01:32:09,140
So we looked at every way possible to reduce that cost to the customer otherwise it would

1031
01:32:09,140 --> 01:32:10,740
be passed directly through to the customer.

1032
01:32:11,020 --> 01:32:17,400
So as we discussed earlier, we found ways including the Composter Avenue and landfill savings

1033
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:23,040
to reduce that there are a few other items that we've also included as ways to reduce that

1034
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:31,940
cost to our customers. So, including those savings, we come out to the result that about 80%

1035
01:32:31,940 --> 01:32:41,280
of our customers would see a $3.40 increase per month. So, the remaining 20% of customers would

1036
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:48,600
They're increased cost more than $3.40, but that's because they have multiple trash containers.

1037
01:32:50,620 --> 01:32:52,540
And we currently have that in our rate structure already.

1038
01:32:52,780 --> 01:32:56,640
So if you have additional trash service, you automatically pay more for that.

1039
01:32:57,340 --> 01:33:01,480
So we're incorporating into this a participation in rebate of $5 per month.

1040
01:33:01,660 --> 01:33:09,620
If you choose to participate in the composting program, you will offer the trash only cost.

1041
01:33:09,620 --> 01:33:15,720
you would have a participation rate of five dollars. So we're expecting now our customer rate increase

1042
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:22,680
in effect October 1st or 2016. And as Katherine mentioned the program would start in March,

1043
01:33:23,780 --> 01:33:29,220
so that lead time is so that we can purchase cards, track, equipment and develop the composting site.

1044
01:33:29,220 --> 01:33:30,500
I have a question for you.

1045
01:33:30,660 --> 01:33:30,920
Thanks.

1046
01:33:32,780 --> 01:33:35,520
Is the cost of 340 a month after the rebate?

1047
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:37,640
Yes.

1048
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:39,320
Mayor Council member.

1049
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:40,100
Yes it is.

1050
01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:42,940
So I have a couple of examples in the next slide.

1051
01:33:45,380 --> 01:33:48,480
So this is an example of our 80% of customers.

1052
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,780
So currently 80% of our customers have one trash cart and one recycling cart.

1053
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:56,860
And so if we add the composting service on to that,

1054
01:33:56,860 --> 01:34:02,900
It will be increased of $3.40, so that'll bring their cost up to $17.77.

1055
01:34:05,580 --> 01:34:12,940
So the next example is one of the scenarios of what the other 20% of our customers can have.

1056
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:19,200
So in this case, this customer has one recycling cart and three trash carts currently.

1057
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:20,880
So they have quite a bit of trash service.

1058
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:28,620
If we're adding on the composting cart, their increase would be roughly $7 per month, and that's

1059
01:34:28,620 --> 01:34:31,140
because they have the two additional trashcarts in there.

1060
01:34:31,820 --> 01:34:36,680
And this is just one example of that service.

1061
01:34:38,580 --> 01:34:41,080
So, and granted our rates right now are preliminary.

1062
01:34:41,340 --> 01:34:44,500
We need to do a lot of additional work on our rate schedule and so forth.

1063
01:34:45,140 --> 01:34:50,680
But our whole goal is so that we're in training and sent customers to participate in the composting

1064
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,900
recycling programs and minimize their trash that gives the landfill.

1065
01:34:54,860 --> 01:34:58,720
So this slide shows a comparison of our rates both

1066
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:02,360
regionally and to some of the cities that we compare with

1067
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:06,180
regionally and then another one for their way.

1068
01:35:06,580 --> 01:35:10,340
But you can see the 1777 for listed under Boise,

1069
01:35:10,780 --> 01:35:15,080
would be our rate after we add that increase for composting.

1070
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:18,620
And you can see then that we're still very comparable to

1071
01:35:18,620 --> 01:35:23,800
to county and we're at the end of Q&A now, but we're still right in the ballpark or what they

1072
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:24,200
offer.

1073
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:31,160
If you compare more visually to Spokane Salt Lake, Portland, and even Austin, which is a little

1074
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:37,960
bit further away, we're still under what they are charging their customers, and like for example

1075
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:42,500
in Spokane, they actually charge their customers separately to compost, so it's an additional

1076
01:35:42,500 --> 01:35:45,880
be on top of their base rate.

1077
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:54,520
Mr. Speaker, is this inclusive of what we're anticipating in terms of a rate increase

1078
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,400
in solid waste anyway?

1079
01:35:57,340 --> 01:36:01,440
Mayor, council member, play, yes, this would be for that increase that we spoke of, yes.

1080
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:10,560
Mr. Mayor, so the savings from what we won't be sending to the landfill, that's incorporated

1081
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:18,980
it here. What we would pay into county or yeah. Yes, Mayor. Yes, that is part of the

1082
01:36:18,980 --> 01:36:25,140
differential from the reimbursement rate of 586 to republic services to the $3.40

1083
01:36:25,140 --> 01:36:30,060
sense that we'd actually be charging customers, the difference between those two numbers

1084
01:36:30,660 --> 01:36:35,160
is that savings for the landfill tip fees and things that are going to the landfill,

1085
01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:39,480
the compost revenue and a few other things that we've incorporated. That's quite a bit.

1086
01:36:39,480 --> 01:36:47,800
of the reduction on that and on. Now, have you seen anything in looking at these other cities

1087
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:57,120
in terms of those that are individual citizens that already compost small segment of population,

1088
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:07,560
we do a little in our house and is there anything that continues to incentivize them to do that

1089
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:09,420
when they are paying this fee, you know,

1090
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:11,000
like today's article on statesmen.

1091
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,500
And the situation such as that,

1092
01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:17,560
I don't know if other cities have up-down options

1093
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:18,880
for citizens that compost,

1094
01:37:19,100 --> 01:37:21,560
but of course you'd have to, we don't want to police that.

1095
01:37:23,300 --> 01:37:25,060
And if there's no, one last point,

1096
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:28,020
if there's no reduced rates for smaller containers,

1097
01:37:28,940 --> 01:37:32,320
other than providing the compost for free,

1098
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:36,280
what's the incentive for someone already composting

1099
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:42,860
to support this. Mr. Mayor, Council Member, what we found is those cities who have very aggressive

1100
01:37:42,860 --> 01:37:47,000
waste diversion programs have a rate structure that really provides the incentive on

1101
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:52,420
the trash and rather than focusing on the recycling waste reduction in. So they really,

1102
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:58,680
as Council Member Clayton noted, Seattle, they have a 20 gallon rate. I mean, it's a little

1103
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:03,200
tiny candy you might put out from your kitchen. So they've done it from the trash perspective

1104
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:09,360
of really providing me incentive at that end, if you pay more, the more you throw away.

1105
01:38:10,140 --> 01:38:16,260
We haven't really seen any that provide rate reductions solely based on your recycling

1106
01:38:16,260 --> 01:38:17,140
or your composting.

1107
01:38:17,140 --> 01:38:21,720
They're more of a bundled rate for those kinds of services and then the incentive comes

1108
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,240
from reducing the amount of trash you sell.

1109
01:38:23,260 --> 01:38:24,080
Trash, okay.

1110
01:38:24,140 --> 01:38:28,060
One of the things that we've talked about is, we do know we have some folks who are really

1111
01:38:28,060 --> 01:38:32,180
avid composters and we want to make sure that if they feel like they want to continue doing

1112
01:38:32,180 --> 01:38:38,740
they are empowered to do that. And so we can create a waiver process or a process to provide

1113
01:38:39,580 --> 01:38:42,720
them an opportunity to continue to do that without any penalty.

1114
01:38:43,580 --> 01:38:46,380
I really really like that. Thank you.

1115
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:47,100
Mr. Mayor.

1116
01:38:48,940 --> 01:38:52,780
So I just wanted to go back to that if you think on first I do like the idea of a waiver if we can

1117
01:38:52,780 --> 01:39:03,530
come up with that. So right now I was going back to the re-vades and I asked because if

1118
01:39:03,530 --> 01:39:09,250
Right now, our garbage, 45% of our garbage is organics.

1119
01:39:11,330 --> 01:39:16,110
So in theory, we could use a garbage can that's 45% smaller,

1120
01:39:16,190 --> 01:39:17,290
anybody that opted in.

1121
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:21,090
So getting to the true cost of garbage versus trying

1122
01:39:21,090 --> 01:39:24,550
to regulate it on the reusing, reducing the waste stream

1123
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:33,560
side, I wonder if we can't look at a more noticeable

1124
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:38,740
rebate over time. So right now I think you said it's a dollar off and I think I get something for recycling.

1125
01:39:39,100 --> 01:39:44,520
So it's a dollar for recycling but it has to be chipped a certain number of times. It's four dollars for recycling.

1126
01:39:45,300 --> 01:39:51,120
So what was the dollar that I asked that I got before? Oh, the smaller part. Okay, so it's four dollars for

1127
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:59,540
recycling. The dollar for the smaller cart. But the true cost of that cart difference is a lot.

1128
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:03,540
I mean

1129
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:09,900
Over time, perhaps after we see the data, and then the other thing I wanted to ask about

1130
01:40:10,940 --> 01:40:15,000
when Councilman Thompson asked about what's in it for people that already compost.

1131
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:21,640
With this being, I think one of the questions was whether or not meet product as part of this.

1132
01:40:21,980 --> 01:40:27,820
So can we put things in this composting that you couldn't put in to your home composting?

1133
01:40:28,460 --> 01:40:35,200
So Mayor Council member, the first question about the incentivizing and kind of looking at the rate structure,

1134
01:40:35,300 --> 01:40:39,240
absolutely want to do that, I think we want to get our kind of legs under us first, get the program started,

1135
01:40:39,660 --> 01:40:44,420
and over time we'll start to see that shift, and then have to start to address that, which would be a good thing.

1136
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:49,220
So I agree with that and made a note of it, to maybe start thinking about how that evolves.

1137
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:55,320
And the second question of the meets graphs.

1138
01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:00,200
So currently under state regulations, the DQ is not allowed.

1139
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:02,440
Meet and dairy to go into a composting facility.

1140
01:41:03,420 --> 01:41:07,540
They have agreed to work with us on maybe trying to adjust that state rule.

1141
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:12,540
So that potentially isn't, maybe an incentive for those folks to compost at home

1142
01:41:12,540 --> 01:41:16,240
that maybe don't want that in their compost that that might be an option for them.

1143
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:20,420
But currently under state regs, it's not allowed, but we're going to work with the DQ and C if we get that changed.

1144
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:21,220
All right.

1145
01:41:21,540 --> 01:41:22,380
Oh, one more question.

1146
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:26,220
On the, so the glass cart, do we still pay for that?

1147
01:41:26,420 --> 01:41:28,240
Or have we wiped the charges out for that?

1148
01:41:29,060 --> 01:41:31,860
Is it, is it five now instead of ten the way it started?

1149
01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:33,860
Mayor of Council member, yes.

1150
01:41:34,820 --> 01:41:38,500
There's still will be a fee for the glass cart and it does around the five dollar work.

1151
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:38,900
All right.

1152
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:42,240
This just, I mean, this gets back to the kind of waste stream thing,

1153
01:41:42,780 --> 01:41:43,940
you know, a lot of people don't like carts,

1154
01:41:43,940 --> 01:41:51,020
But even in my neighborhood where you might expect everybody to be willing to pay for these services,

1155
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:55,080
I often hear, well, why would I spend five bucks a month to recycle glass?

1156
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:56,300
I can just put in the garbage hand.

1157
01:41:57,780 --> 01:42:01,340
So, I know that glass can crunch down and, you know, people make arguments.

1158
01:42:01,980 --> 01:42:03,140
Just say it's okay.

1159
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:09,540
But I think that the more, if we aren't doing things on the garbage side long-term,

1160
01:42:09,540 --> 01:42:15,880
we're not going to get people to do the waste reduction on the right side.

1161
01:42:21,340 --> 01:42:22,380
All right, Mary, tell some members.

1162
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:28,000
So the bottom part of the slide just shows a little bit of a comparison of what's currently in our race.

1163
01:42:28,740 --> 01:42:30,340
So we offer glass service.

1164
01:42:30,440 --> 01:42:36,940
It is at a fee, but none of our comparable cities in our area offer glass service.

1165
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:42,880
But we also offer leaf and tree, bulk items are for free, appliances are for free.

1166
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:49,060
And we also have our household hazardous waste program that's not included on the side that is also free for our customers.

1167
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:58,960
And you can see in some of the other neighboring areas that some of those services are offered also offered, but they may offer them at a digital fee to their customers.

1168
01:42:59,380 --> 01:43:08,900
So that kind of reinforces that even with the composting fee added on to our rate that we're still very competitive in the market.

1169
01:43:08,900 --> 01:43:13,000
and trying to make those incentives for our customers.

1170
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:16,680
I hate to turn this into things we should already know,

1171
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:18,820
but where do you put your house on the hazardous waste?

1172
01:43:19,020 --> 01:43:22,120
You know, I have to take them to the downport to you.

1173
01:43:22,580 --> 01:43:28,580
Mr. Mayor, we have specific collection sites that you can take your hazardous waste to,

1174
01:43:29,480 --> 01:43:32,620
so there's a, on our curbitboise.org site.

1175
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:34,200
There's a, you can't set them up.

1176
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:35,580
So you've got to take them to the place.

1177
01:43:35,620 --> 01:43:38,260
I have to take them to the location where you can take them up to the landfill.

1178
01:43:38,260 --> 01:43:38,920
Okay.

1179
01:43:40,380 --> 01:43:41,600
Mr. Mayer.

1180
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:46,920
Also, isn't there additional savings, not on our own, perhaps, but on a decounties, and

1181
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:54,720
they have to organic waste, thanks to some recent research that have done on my understanding

1182
01:43:54,720 --> 01:44:02,740
that the methane production has to be managed, and so if organics produce the vast majority

1183
01:44:02,740 --> 01:44:12,000
of that methane, 80-county has to manage one, we required to manage less, which is a potential

1184
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,640
savings, or all of 80-county citizens.

1185
01:44:21,290 --> 01:44:25,270
Okay, just a quick overview of the upcoming schedule, so obviously, may we're here in front

1186
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:28,930
of Council, just looking for the approval to proceed, and I got another slide that talks

1187
01:44:28,930 --> 01:44:30,510
about what we're actually asking for today.

1188
01:44:31,410 --> 01:44:38,610
In June, we're going to be presenting to the 80-county commissioners and the Slack as the

1189
01:44:38,610 --> 01:44:40,630
basically what we're presenting to you today.

1190
01:44:40,830 --> 01:44:42,370
Initiate the public education and outreach.

1191
01:44:42,690 --> 01:44:45,910
We have had meetings with Joanna and her group on the community engagement piece.

1192
01:44:46,370 --> 01:44:49,610
So hopefully, in June, we'll be working out those details within July.

1193
01:44:49,890 --> 01:44:51,970
We start rolling out the public education piece.

1194
01:44:52,590 --> 01:44:54,410
We need to work on the renewing the franchise agreement.

1195
01:44:54,450 --> 01:44:55,510
This is pretty important.

1196
01:44:55,670 --> 01:44:56,950
It's almost a critical, not almost.

1197
01:44:56,970 --> 01:44:59,970
It is a critical pathway to them because it then allows us.

1198
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,540
To be able to acquire the capital investment on the public side.

1199
01:45:05,220 --> 01:45:09,440
And lieu of that, they can't go ahead and make that investment in those 15 new trucks that we need, etc.

1200
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:13,000
The writing increase we mentioned will happen on October 1st.

1201
01:45:13,780 --> 01:45:16,880
The conditional use permit, we have a question mark on that. We've been talking to House Simmons.

1202
01:45:17,420 --> 01:45:20,320
It looks like we'll probably need a conditional use permit from a county.

1203
01:45:21,140 --> 01:45:23,020
So we'll be working through that process.

1204
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:28,340
We'll have the compost facility permitted through the DEQ to help to have that wrapped up by December.

1205
01:45:28,340 --> 01:45:32,200
and then initiate car delivery in early part of 2017 and this

1206
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:35,880
cast me alluded to initiate the collection and composting program in the spring of

1207
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:41,000
2017 March April 10th. Yes, Mr. Mayor. So Steve,

1208
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:45,200
during the car delivery will you

1209
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:48,580
also trade out existing trashcarts for smaller ones?

1210
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:53,800
Mayor Council, remember I think that would be the probably the appropriate time to do it.

1211
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:58,320
And one of the things that we're going to recommend regarding the car is that we

1212
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:01,660
We use the gray carts with a green lid that gives us more flexibility.

1213
01:46:01,940 --> 01:46:05,520
We already have a number of gray carts related to our existing program.

1214
01:46:05,940 --> 01:46:08,040
And hopefully, over time, provides some capital savings.

1215
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:12,380
But yes, at that time, we would try to cycle through all the cart size changes.

1216
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:20,760
So our final slide, a staff recommendation, we're hopefully get direction to proceed with the

1217
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,960
addition of the residence of curbside Organics Program, direction to go ahead and work with

1218
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:28,160
Republic Services to update and renew the franchise agreement with Republic Services.

1219
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:29,860
And then, approve the rate recommendations.

1220
01:46:29,860 --> 01:46:34,480
we don't require any motions at this time. Certainly we'll come back to you with the updated

1221
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:38,520
French Hazard Agreement hopefully in the July August timeframe and the approval of the rate

1222
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:44,400
recommendations will hopefully follow the budgeting process as it typically moves forward and you'll

1223
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,000
have an opportunity to comment on those as they move forward.

1224
01:46:51,070 --> 01:46:53,250
I really appreciate you all bringing this

1225
01:46:53,250 --> 01:46:58,970
forward today. I love work that you've done on this and I know in my time on the council

1226
01:46:58,970 --> 01:47:05,670
So the request for this kind of recycling has been consistent over all that time.

1227
01:47:05,790 --> 01:47:21,670
I mean, people want to be able to have this option to do this and, you know, when we look at where we are from our boundary standpoint, we are at our city boundaries and whatever we can do in terms of preserving the landfill space for as long as humanly possible, I think we need to be doing.

1228
01:47:21,670 --> 01:47:30,110
So, and I'm also comforted by the fact that you're going to establish some type of a waiver provision for the true home compost.

1229
01:47:30,350 --> 01:47:36,230
I think that's important as well. So, I'm fully in support of this, and I really appreciate the work you guys have done.

1230
01:47:36,810 --> 01:47:38,290
Thank you. Mr. Mayor.

1231
01:47:38,730 --> 01:47:44,190
One of the questions I had forgotten to ask that. First of all, I love the selection of the 20 miles south location,

1232
01:47:44,190 --> 01:47:53,310
a great research and decision there that there's space I assume for allowing additional cities

1233
01:47:53,310 --> 01:47:59,090
to join in. I mean because I could see OECS taking the lead a lot of times on programs such

1234
01:47:59,090 --> 01:48:06,670
as this and then it proves to be successful and I would hope this one does too and then cities

1235
01:48:06,670 --> 01:48:14,050
like Meridian, Q&A, and those could join in and don't need that location. So is that

1236
01:48:14,050 --> 01:48:19,910
location that allows for that. Mayor, Councilor Thompson, yes. That's something that we considered

1237
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:25,170
several months ago. We talked to Councilor leadership just for some direction on how would you

1238
01:48:25,170 --> 01:48:30,930
feel about if other cities were contacting us about one in the join in on our composting facility

1239
01:48:30,930 --> 01:48:36,930
down the farm. And we're sounding yes, we would support that and want to be a leader and make that

1240
01:48:36,930 --> 01:48:41,490
available to other communities. And we kind of hopefully had the caveat that we want to get our

1241
01:48:41,490 --> 01:48:49,470
Kind of legs under us first, first maybe four, five, six years, get up and running, see how it's working and then be able to pivot if other communities are interested, we'd like to make that land available.

1242
01:48:49,730 --> 01:48:50,490
Thank you.

1243
01:48:53,260 --> 01:48:54,000
Mr. Mayor.

1244
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:59,260
Just a few comments on the program and thank you for bringing this, because I think it's very important.

1245
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:13,180
I'm fully supportive of being involved in this program, but on a voluntary basis, as I mentioned before, I'd like to see the program get started, but in some way of a manner of educating the public.

1246
01:49:14,180 --> 01:49:19,800
and since it has hit the news in the last week, it's been a lot of time researching

1247
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:25,460
and a lot more than I did a week ago on this issue, I might be able to do it successfully.

1248
01:49:26,420 --> 01:49:33,060
I tried, but also to encourage the public to make a commitment to take part in a voluntary

1249
01:49:33,060 --> 01:49:41,620
program over the course of the next 60 or 90 days so that the city knows how many people

1250
01:49:41,620 --> 01:49:47,540
willing to take part. It makes the fee less interesting because if somebody wants to take part,

1251
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:51,840
they certainly can go in with their eyes open and know what the fee is. I might even get some

1252
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:58,600
car cure Christmas. What a great gift. But I do think that it should be volunteering. I think

1253
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:04,140
that there needs to be further analysis as the franchise agreement is being developed with

1254
01:50:04,140 --> 01:50:10,340
Republic who's done a great job, by the way. Then we can get a better performer on the financial aspects

1255
01:50:10,340 --> 01:50:16,900
of what that fee would be. And if the numbers are conservative, a year or two down the road

1256
01:50:16,900 --> 01:50:22,240
when we're successfully accomplishing this program and the amount of compost is significant

1257
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:31,320
in the landfill uses reduce significantly. You might find that the user taxpayer might have

1258
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:37,600
a reduced fee because the compost program has been so successful at 20 miles. That's

1259
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:40,560
I thought and thank you for your effort on this.

1260
01:50:43,550 --> 01:50:44,770
It's one last point.

1261
01:50:46,010 --> 01:50:47,130
I didn't say great job.

1262
01:50:47,710 --> 01:50:53,010
This phenomenal work, the three of you have done and appreciate all you put into this.

1263
01:50:54,350 --> 01:50:57,190
And it's an important program for all the right reasons.

1264
01:50:57,330 --> 01:51:05,610
You know, the space of the landfill, the product that is created from it, the reduction in methane gas.

1265
01:51:05,610 --> 01:51:12,070
I certainly am concerned about costs and so the savings from the landfill, it's important

1266
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:13,150
to see that transition.

1267
01:51:13,490 --> 01:51:20,650
I like seeing incentives that reduce people's costs when they put out less trash, which

1268
01:51:20,650 --> 01:51:26,130
certainly makes sense to vital components of this program for me, our course, the waiver,

1269
01:51:26,590 --> 01:51:27,510
which you would move forward.

1270
01:51:27,650 --> 01:51:33,990
So if someone is already composting on their property, they could be excluded from the program

1271
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:38,770
and the fee associated, and then also the product itself,

1272
01:51:38,890 --> 01:51:42,210
making that free for all of our residential citizens,

1273
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:45,030
so that they see a true benefit and make a backup

1274
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:47,130
to truck and pick some up and put it in their yard.

1275
01:51:47,790 --> 01:51:48,590
So, thanks, and great work.

1276
01:51:49,230 --> 01:51:49,890
Thank you.

1277
01:51:50,210 --> 01:51:52,330
Ms. Mayor, I just want to say two.

1278
01:51:52,330 --> 01:51:54,310
I know that we'll have the hearing on fees later.

1279
01:51:54,730 --> 01:51:56,530
I'm just a couple of thoughts.

1280
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:59,550
I think this is a great program.

1281
01:51:59,890 --> 01:52:02,370
And for us to make it happen, I think that it's important

1282
01:52:02,370 --> 01:52:05,770
that we just move forward with it all at once.

1283
01:52:06,270 --> 01:52:10,650
We saw youth go up and down with recycling, with glass.

1284
01:52:11,610 --> 01:52:15,590
And we have heard from citizens, you've been here even longer.

1285
01:52:16,050 --> 01:52:18,670
But since I've gotten here, it's one of the most regular things

1286
01:52:18,670 --> 01:52:20,910
that I hear from people is, why isn't Boise?

1287
01:52:21,490 --> 01:52:24,590
Why doesn't Boise have a curbside composing program?

1288
01:52:25,310 --> 01:52:29,230
I would love, once we said this once we started,

1289
01:52:29,230 --> 01:52:37,330
to actually have a report and interactive report either online or in our bills over time that shows.

1290
01:52:37,950 --> 01:52:42,110
And what we're saving, because really citizens are shareholders in this.

1291
01:52:42,690 --> 01:52:47,310
And if we over time are reducing 45% of the waste that goes into the landfill,

1292
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:51,950
that means that we're saving right now the $5 rebate and we can explain that.

1293
01:52:52,190 --> 01:52:57,570
But I expect over time we also save money related to not having to move and create a new landfill.

1294
01:52:57,570 --> 01:53:00,870
And we might find that we have more income from compost.

1295
01:53:01,510 --> 01:53:07,870
We can show that, but to explain to our citizens how all of this works together is part

1296
01:53:07,870 --> 01:53:14,650
of an education process that I think will help us start to determine how to get at reducing

1297
01:53:14,650 --> 01:53:21,450
waste stream and incentivizing and rebating reduced waste stream moving forward.

1298
01:53:26,220 --> 01:53:32,640
I won't repeat what everyone else has had good job, but I think Councilmember McLean really

1299
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:38,580
gets to this issue, which is we need to make these things make economic sense for people.

1300
01:53:39,260 --> 01:53:46,520
And even people sometimes really want to do something, won't often do it if it doesn't

1301
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:52,700
make economic sense to them, but when they understand the economics of it, they become much

1302
01:53:52,700 --> 01:53:59,220
more likely to participate and be loyal to it, so I think really our job here is to make

1303
01:53:59,220 --> 01:54:05,260
sure that we show that triple bottom line in this case, the economic bottom line in a

1304
01:54:05,260 --> 01:54:06,940
really transparent way.

1305
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:09,260
Thank you, Mayor.

1306
01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:16,310
You know, I had one other question before that we got everybody here that I think I know

1307
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:23,590
the answer, but one of my concerns, and as I've looked at research these issues and especially

1308
01:54:23,590 --> 01:54:30,670
countries that have gone to a zero waste, it's almost always and correct me if I'm wrong

1309
01:54:30,670 --> 01:54:37,710
that they use some type of incineration that produces power, they have almost no emissions

1310
01:54:37,710 --> 01:54:43,030
or whatever the low emissions, and that's one of the ways they attain it.

1311
01:54:43,670 --> 01:54:49,930
I assume the green waste can't be sinnerated in that way, but one of my concerns is always

1312
01:54:49,930 --> 01:54:59,320
of ours, the recyclables, the marqueness, volatile to say the least, where I think what

1313
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:06,260
they've done to hedge that, and to go to zero waste is this. No, or lower emissions

1314
01:55:06,860 --> 01:55:15,120
incineration. Can you just give me a kind of, what's the state of things out there when it comes

1315
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:17,300
to that, whether green waste figures in there or not?

1316
01:55:17,300 --> 01:55:18,380
Sure, Mr. Mayor.

1317
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:22,420
And I could start maybe Catherine can provide more detail information, but certainly as

1318
01:55:22,420 --> 01:55:26,880
a city, one of the things broadly we're looking at is we have kind of all these waste

1319
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:30,180
streams that we generate as a city and how do we beneficially reuse that whether it's

1320
01:55:30,180 --> 01:55:34,540
wastewater and the methane and that we're producing there and then our waste stream analysis

1321
01:55:34,540 --> 01:55:35,660
was solid waste.

1322
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:42,160
So broadly we're trying to develop kind of umbrella programs on energy on how do we get the

1323
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:43,300
zero waste?

1324
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:47,280
How do we get to maybe a carbon neutral see those types of discussions we've already

1325
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:54,460
started. So, broadly we're looking at that regarding how we pivot on that specific to this issue,

1326
01:55:54,620 --> 01:55:58,300
maybe Catherine, if you have any more detailed information, there's certainly this

1327
01:55:58,300 --> 01:56:03,880
base is moving quickly, very quickly. And so, there's a power piece to this that we can

1328
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:06,040
certainly investigate further as we move along.

1329
01:56:06,860 --> 01:56:11,280
Mr. Mayor, one of the things that we've talked about is on the, and I'm surprised to know

1330
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:17,160
on the commercial side, what about food waste and yard waste from the commercial generators?

1331
01:56:17,780 --> 01:56:24,520
And one of the things that we have in the back of our mind and planning for is to take commercial food waste in particular,

1332
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:30,000
restaurants, grocery stores, institutions, and be able to use those to beneficially create energy.

1333
01:56:31,240 --> 01:56:33,940
Particularly through the wastewater treatment plan in anaerobic digestion.

1334
01:56:34,220 --> 01:56:36,640
So that's kind of out there on the horizon for those folks.

1335
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:50,860
Another thing that we've talked about from a zero waste sort of perspective that Republic is really stepping up to the plate and helping us with this future thinking is construction and demolition debris is another huge part of our waste stream here.

1336
01:56:51,380 --> 01:57:04,660
And is there an opportunity to beneficially reuse or divert those materials and what kind of facility and infrastructure would we have to have in place to provide that opportunity to reuse those materials and to divert them at the lowest cost possible.

1337
01:57:04,660 --> 01:57:08,980
because we want to make sure that the system is economically efficient as well.

1338
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:13,160
So, having an opportunity, maybe in the next year, two or three or four,

1339
01:57:13,660 --> 01:57:18,380
of being able to divert some of those construction and demolition materials for reuse.

1340
01:57:18,780 --> 01:57:23,900
And, and build the industries and the businesses that can take those materials and reuse them locally,

1341
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:28,480
like we have with our glass. I mean, we're really blessed that we can take the glass

1342
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:33,760
because we have a local partner that can make a product and make money off of that glass.

1343
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:37,100
It's not a lot of money, but at least it's making a little bit of money locally off of our

1344
01:57:37,100 --> 01:57:37,460
glass.

1345
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:43,040
So that's some of the other opportunities that we know are kind of the next phase after

1346
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:44,020
organics.

1347
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:48,500
Organics obviously represent the largest volume room material that we could remove from

1348
01:57:48,500 --> 01:57:49,540
that waste from immediately.

1349
01:57:50,380 --> 01:57:55,040
Now, the curb it plan originally, the cell waste plan originally actually included that

1350
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:57,760
as a long term goal getting the yard waste out of there.

1351
01:57:58,020 --> 01:58:01,500
And Mr. Mayor, one of the last things I wanted to comment on was the green waste.

1352
01:58:01,500 --> 01:58:05,140
The city of Spokane has a waste of energy, facility.

1353
01:58:05,500 --> 01:58:11,120
Their TIPP is $99 a ton, and they have to get all of the green waste out of that material

1354
01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:15,560
before it goes in the incinerator, because if they didn't, it brings the temperature of

1355
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:18,720
the incinerator down, it is less efficient, and we're costly to operate.

1356
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:23,260
So they have a separate green waste program that they actually charge that additional fee

1357
01:58:23,260 --> 01:58:23,720
for.

1358
01:58:23,740 --> 01:58:24,900
And it's a seasonal fee.

1359
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:29,660
In the winter months it's a lower fee, because they collect less and more kitchen scraps

1360
01:58:29,660 --> 01:58:31,600
and in the summertime, it's all of their yard waste.

1361
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:36,660
So that's how those communities are doing it because those systems are very expensive to operate

1362
01:58:36,660 --> 01:58:40,280
and they have to be able to divert those multiple wasteings in different ways.

1363
01:58:41,140 --> 01:58:45,440
Mr. Rader, on the food waste piece, Catherine mentioned, is certainly an idea that we're

1364
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:49,460
going to be pushing out in the future right now. We're just trying to focus on the curb center

1365
01:58:49,460 --> 01:58:53,460
as a residential first, and then at some point be able to pivot to the commercial side.

1366
01:58:54,220 --> 01:58:57,340
And then as far as the incineration answer to your question directly, we have really looked

1367
01:58:57,340 --> 01:59:02,480
that too closely, we can certainly do some more research and figure out where that space is

1368
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:02,920
moving.

1369
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:07,400
It's an interesting question for us because of our cheap power, generally speaking that

1370
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:11,360
we did a lot of times financially, those solutions are really difficult to make pencil.

1371
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:12,800
I don't know what I thought the answer was,

1372
01:59:15,710 --> 01:59:19,110
but it concerns me because it costs more

1373
01:59:19,970 --> 01:59:25,570
to collect it sometimes than you get from whatever the commodity is.

1374
01:59:25,570 --> 01:59:30,310
And then you read these, I don't think they're applicable to us,

1375
01:59:30,310 --> 01:59:34,410
but these horror stories that they're, you know,

1376
01:59:34,530 --> 01:59:37,970
barging it around, trying to find a place for it,

1377
01:59:38,990 --> 01:59:41,450
or that you're taking it, you know, farther,

1378
01:59:42,570 --> 01:59:45,810
and storing it rather than recycling it.

1379
01:59:46,050 --> 01:59:49,350
So I just wonder, I think, given my hands with these,

1380
01:59:49,730 --> 01:59:53,210
which is often times the answer here, with the power rates as low as they are,

1381
01:59:53,210 --> 01:59:59,890
You can't get to a model that works in that way and that makes sense to me just keep an eye on that

1382
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,820
It was a time we talked about this, so we had the latest and greatest coming into the office to say, you know, this is the new cold fusion, and we're going to have power from here, real soon. And obviously we've seen where that ends, and we've been right to be suspect, but just to keep an eye on that for us and report how that's going. The other question just before we all close is the water usage for the compost, is that,

1383
02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:39,080
You know, you're always faced with a much energy, does it cost and other substances

1384
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:44,600
and whether that's a net gain, you know, you always have those naseres or the equations

1385
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:49,780
that say, well, actually you're taking more energy than you're saving or you're those kinds

1386
02:00:50,820 --> 02:00:57,280
of equations, the water usage and compost is that relatively reasonable, I guess.

1387
02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:01,460
Mr. Mayor, we think so, and that's one of the reasons we located at the Twain Mile

1388
02:01:01,460 --> 02:01:01,980
South Farm.

1389
02:01:01,980 --> 02:01:03,580
We have the water right down there.

1390
02:01:04,260 --> 02:01:10,580
That water gets used on the site already, and it's available, so as far as the amount

1391
02:01:10,580 --> 02:01:11,980
of water after we went in the average.

1392
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:15,060
We can get more detailed information on the actual amount of water.

1393
02:01:15,340 --> 02:01:17,980
It will take a little more water in our air climate, certainly.

1394
02:01:18,440 --> 02:01:21,240
We went out to the Portland Corballester Outer Facility.

1395
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:23,280
They didn't need a whole lot of water.

1396
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:25,600
In fact, the day we were there was just a downpour.

1397
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:30,540
But that's something that we will definitely have to augment our composting facility with given our climate.

1398
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:32,300
We'll get back to you on that.

1399
02:01:33,700 --> 02:01:35,500
We're just one quick request.

1400
02:01:35,780 --> 02:01:37,640
Can you send us the slide that you showed?

1401
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:42,360
Because I think the most telling thing and all of this is the comparison of costs,

1402
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:49,580
trash service for all the cities and the value that this really does represent.

1403
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:53,500
And so I think it'd be helpful to us and respond to how that information.

1404
02:01:53,500 --> 02:01:55,560
We'll do that.

1405
02:01:55,660 --> 02:01:55,900
Yes.

1406
02:01:56,700 --> 02:02:01,140
And Katherine, I appreciate you mentioning looking at additional opportunities going forward.

1407
02:02:01,660 --> 02:02:04,540
I do want to encourage you to, and I know you well.

1408
02:02:05,100 --> 02:02:09,960
But tie those in with some of the great things that may already be happening.

1409
02:02:10,820 --> 02:02:15,800
Like wood shipping at the landfill, of course, that's a great product program.

1410
02:02:16,100 --> 02:02:17,980
And we wouldn't want to take away from that.

1411
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:22,120
Ms. Mayor, I'm sorry. I have one more question.

1412
02:02:25,620 --> 02:02:31,120
The, because when we do rates, this, when we do rate changes this week, this summer, it'll

1413
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:36,140
be a whole bunch of rates. So I'm just on this. So we're getting the total cost of the program

1414
02:02:36,140 --> 02:02:44,460
is 840 per household, but we're giving a $5 rebate based on what we save, see if you're about

1415
02:02:44,460 --> 02:02:52,900
to correct me. Okay, so if we're getting a $5 rebate because we save $5, but it costs 840. Does that

1416
02:02:52,900 --> 02:03:01,640
that regardless, the rates would have to go up. What is that? $1.60? To cover the growing costs of

1417
02:03:02,660 --> 02:03:03,180
service?

1418
02:03:07,270 --> 02:03:13,510
Do the math or my head not following the dollar $1.60 or maybe it's not. But so, you know, they're

1419
02:03:13,510 --> 02:03:21,050
going up $3.40. Yes, but if we didn't do this morning, I'll take it offline because I'm just wondering

1420
02:03:21,050 --> 02:03:26,510
if there's actually the difference between what rates would really end up next year if we didn't do this.

1421
02:03:26,610 --> 02:03:33,270
We're assuming they'd say the same, but it sounds like it would cost more regardless

1422
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:36,350
because there's a cost of putting the things in the lentil.

1423
02:03:36,630 --> 02:03:42,150
But as you've got that afterwards, and then we can figure out if there's the actual change

1424
02:03:42,150 --> 02:03:44,850
theory would be $1.85 or something.

1425
02:03:44,850 --> 02:04:06,040
We just have to ask this, I assume, besides the spoken situation, that's, so there's really no such thing as putting your composted green waste in your recycling,

1426
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:09,640
but non-sort.

1427
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:18,540
I just, I'm so thankful for the life that you've given me and that's not standing out there in the morning sorting between the recyclables.

1428
02:04:19,180 --> 02:04:25,240
I'm about to head back into sort land, right? There's no alternative.

1429
02:04:26,300 --> 02:04:34,060
I mean, just going to have to make it in your home or at the receptacle, right?

1430
02:04:34,060 --> 02:04:42,240
I'm Mr. Mayor. I did fail to mention that we're going to make available to customers and inside bins, so you could do it right there.

1431
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:44,640
Your kitchen sink and hollow right out to your company.

1432
02:04:46,120 --> 02:04:48,560
They'll be a thief, but it'll be a good one.

1433
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:52,020
No, I'll live just wondering what's coming.

1434
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:53,280
It'll be alright.

1435
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:57,860
It would be very hard to separate out grass clippings from all the grass to your recycling.

1436
02:04:58,620 --> 02:04:59,560
Just visualize.

1437
02:05:00,660 --> 02:05:01,020
That would be a...

1438
02:05:01,020 --> 02:05:02,280
No, I understand it.

1439
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:05,280
So we really have to keep a bar.

1440
02:05:05,600 --> 02:05:12,600
Our friends at Republic are so cutting edge that maybe they've gotten there.

1441
02:05:14,910 --> 02:05:15,250
All right.

1442
02:05:15,890 --> 02:05:17,590
We're going to leave it there, I think.

1443
02:05:17,790 --> 02:05:17,890
Okay.

1444
02:05:17,890 --> 02:05:18,490
Thank you very much.

1445
02:05:20,310 --> 02:05:20,770
Thank you.

1446
02:05:20,930 --> 02:05:21,290
Thank you.

1447
02:05:21,690 --> 02:05:22,310
Mr. Mayor.

1448
02:05:23,270 --> 02:05:24,030
I move.

1449
02:05:24,150 --> 02:05:25,650
We're going to executive session.

1450
02:05:26,070 --> 02:05:28,040
Personnel, land acquisition records.

1451
02:05:28,390 --> 02:05:31,270
Exam from public disclosure, pending probable litigation.

1452
02:05:31,270 --> 02:05:36,270
and labor contract, Idaho code 74206-1BCDFNJ.

1453
02:05:38,710 --> 02:05:39,270
Rokal.

1454
02:05:39,330 --> 02:05:39,850
Sorry, I think.

1455
02:05:39,910 --> 02:05:40,250
Hansen.

1456
02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:41,990
Gordon.

1457
02:05:42,570 --> 02:05:42,630
Yes.

1458
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:43,370
Ludwig.

1459
02:05:43,430 --> 02:05:43,990
Yes.

1460
02:05:44,950 --> 02:05:45,230
Montana.