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you know.

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Good morning everyone.

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My name is rudy louijeune,

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at-large city councilor and I

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am the vice chair of the boston

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city council committee on

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And I will be conducting

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today's hearing in the chair's

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absence.

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Today is AUGUST 11th, 2026.

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The exact time is 10:06 A.M..

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testifying in person, please

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add your name to the sign up

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cavanaugh right here.

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Um at megan dawn

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That's nega and bless you.

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Cavanaugh cavanagh.

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H I boston.Gov for the link and

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your name will be added to the

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list.

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Today's hearing is on docket

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number 1541.

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Ordinance establishing minimum

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training requirements for

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unarmed security guards.

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This matter is sponsored by

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councilors henry santana and

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richard louijeune.

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It was referred to the

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committee on AUGUST 5th, 2026.

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Today I'm joined by my

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colleagues and or whatever

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rival councilor aaron murphy,

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councilor ed flynn,

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council PRESIDENT Liz creighton

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,councilor santana and

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councilor durkan, um and

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councilor fitzgerald.

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Uh we will start with opening

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I will give the lead sponsor

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three minutes for opening

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statements and my colleagues

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two minutes if they'd like to

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offer opening statements.

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The chair recognizes, uh, the

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lead sponsor, councilor santana

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Good morning everyone and thank

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you, vice chair louijeune.

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First I want to thank my

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colleagues, um, the

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administration 32 bjj um and

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most importantly the workers

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who are here today.

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We are here because this is not

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just a conversation about

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training.

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It is a conversation about

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public safety, worker

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protection and our

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responsibility as a city to

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make sure the people we depend

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on are properly prepared and

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protected.

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The voices of the workers on

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the front lines must be at the

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center of this discussion.

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I look forward to working

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together to find meaningful

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path forward for boston.

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Public safety begins with

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preparedness every day unarmed

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security guards serve on the

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front lines of our communities

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protecting people and um,

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protecting people and

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properties in hospitals,

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residential buildings,

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workplaces, businesses and

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respond to medical emergencies

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overdoses and conflicts.

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Yet in boston there are

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currently no minimum training

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requirements for unarmed

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security guards.

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respond to emergencies,

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de-escalate conflicts and

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protect others without ensuring

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they have the proper training

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and tools to do the job safely

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and effectively.

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Establishing minimum standards

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in areas such as cpr first aid

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overdose, overdose response,

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de-escalation, behavioral

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health and emergency

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preparedness is an investment

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in both workers and the

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communities they serve as a

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city council.

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examine whether boston can

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establish a reasonable baseline

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of training for those who are

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often first on the scene.

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our communities, we must make

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sure they are prepared to do

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This is how we build safer

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workplaces, protect our workers

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and create safer boston for

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everyone.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, councilor santana.

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The chair recognizes

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You have the floor and two

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Morning.

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>> um, thank you everyone for

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being here.

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I'm looking forward to hearing

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from jody about more about

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this.

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This was just filed last week.

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We're here.

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It's quick turnaround.

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I just want to get on record

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before we learn more about this

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that I support.

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Always support appropriate

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training that protects all

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of our workers.

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So she has security guards in

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the public worker protection is

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very important and thank you

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jody I know we've had many

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hearings over these years.

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I've been on the council making

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sure we are doing everything we

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can on the council and whatever

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powers we have to make sure

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that our workers are protected.

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proposal and when I read

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through it it will impose 40

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hours of initial exclusively

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in-person training eight hours

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annually employer paid tuition

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and wages, annual permitting

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and reporting and penalties

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of $300 per guard per day.

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Those are substantial mandates.

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of the testimony that you know

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I am supporting those, right?

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today to learn because making

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sure that those who will have

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to comply do they have the

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tools necessary right.

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negatively impact someone that

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we MAY inadvertently be not

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thinking about?

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I'm looking forward to the

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advocates.

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I do just want to ask um, the

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makers of this and the chair

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of the committee I see that all

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of the advocates who were

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speaking are from 32 bj so

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thank you for being here.

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I know many of you guard

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yourselves so you'll bring a

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very personal opinion to this

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important conversation.

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But is there anyone maybe small

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business security owners who

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were also invited to speak?

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here and have signed up to at

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least give two minute public

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testimony but if necessary I

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know that this MAY need another

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hearing if we can get the other

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side because I think it's

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always important that when

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we're passing these important

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ordinances that we make sure we

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know exactly the impacts

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they're going to have.

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more about how we can support

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councilor flynn.

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Councilor flynn, you have the

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This is an important discussion

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and an opportunity for us to

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provide some critical training

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that unarmed security guards

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desperately need.

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When I was a probation officer

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at suffolk superior court, I

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worked part time at the carney

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hospital in their security

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division.

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I understand how important

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unarmed security guards are.

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For the safety of many

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employees and safety of the

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public as well.

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Um, I do support this proposal.

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I read it.

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I have respect for 32 objects

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probably now no city

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council that is has a better

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record on labor issues than

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myself.

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Uh, calling on hotel and

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restaurant workers.

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Um, so I'm here to support this

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proposal because I could

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because I know about this

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firsthand.

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Although I'm not a an original

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sponsor.

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I do know every detail about

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this proposal.

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Um, I would have I would have

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been a sponsor if I was asked.

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Um, but I do know that it is

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important for us to provide

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critical training support to

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unarmed security guards and

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ensuring that they're also

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treated with respect and

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dignity.

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And that's what this city is

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all about providing not just a

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job for people but providing

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them a career.

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And you all can have a career

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when you have the necessary

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training and resources and you

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get a good salary and good

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working conditions.

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But I do know the importance

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of the unarmed security guards

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in boston and they make a

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difference whether they're at

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schools, colleges, universities

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but especially from hospitals.

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That's where I can speak from

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experience.

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I know the critical role

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unarmed security guards play at

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many hospitals in boston and

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um, I want to be there for our

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security guards because they've

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always been there for the

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residents of boston.

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Thank you.

302
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Thank you.

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The chair recognizes

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council PRESIDENT Liz breeden.

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You have the floor and two

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minutes.

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Thank you.

308
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MADAM Chair and good.

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Morning everyone.

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>> good to see our friends from

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32 pj and jody and uh, lou,

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thank you for being here.

313
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Um, I am in total support

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of this ordinance.

315
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Uh, it's very exciting to think

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that we're bringing this

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forward at this time.

318
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Um, it's the training minimum

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training is critically

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important for our unarmed

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security, uh, guards to elevate

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the skills and preparedness to

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equip our workers to deal with

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an array of different scenarios

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that can arise on any given day

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in their workplace.

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Uh, it enhances their safety

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and the safety of the public.

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And I really look forward to

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the conversation and, uh, hope

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that we can move this forward

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in a timely way.

333
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Thank you, MADAM Chair.

334
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Thank you.

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>> the chair recognizes

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councilor sharon durkan.

337
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Thank you so much.

338
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Um, I might have been the only

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one I represent the last one

340
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being held back by fenway and

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mission hall.

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I might.

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>> be the only one who heard a

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lot of concerns about this

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ordinance.

346
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Um, so I do have a lot

347
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of questions.

348
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Um, and I look forward to, um,

349
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chatting um, and having

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potentially another hearing to

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go through, uh.

352
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>> the.

353
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Director's language because um

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,knowing that uh, hospitals

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and academia music venues I

356
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also have concerns about sort

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of the broadness of how this is

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written, what it applied to

359
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doormen outside of a bar or a

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restaurant.

361
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Um, so I do want to make sure I

362
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get my questions answered and

363
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I'm not sure this is the

364
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appropriate format for that.

365
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So um so I look forward to more

366
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process and more hearings

367
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regarding this because I do

368
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think there are definitely

369
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small business impacts that I

370
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would like to consider as well.

371
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Thank you.

372
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Thank you.

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>> the chair recognizes

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councilor fitzgerald.

375
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You have the floor.

376
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Thank you, MADAM Chair and

377
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thank you to the administration

378
00:16:21,115 --> 00:16:22,551
in 32 bj for being here.

379
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Uh, I look forward to learning

380
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more in this hearing and asking

381
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questions and figuring out.

382
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So let's get started.

383
00:16:26,688 --> 00:16:29,880
Thank you very much.

384
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Thank you.

385
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Um and then I'd just like to

386
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say thank you to

387
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councilor santana for adding

388
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me as an original co-sponsor on

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this.

390
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Um, on this ordinance I grew up

391
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with a lot of people neighbors,

392
00:16:42,237 --> 00:16:43,304
residents, uh, who are security

393
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guards, unarmed security

394
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guards.

395
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It's often um, uh an entry

396
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level uh or beginning job for a

397
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lot of people in our

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communities, especially in our

399
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black and brown communities.

400
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so I uh this is really

401
00:16:55,483 --> 00:16:56,551
important and I want to thank

402
00:16:56,551 --> 00:16:57,619
all of our unarmed security

403
00:16:57,619 --> 00:16:58,887
workers every day for all

404
00:16:58,887 --> 00:16:59,154
of the incredible work that you

405
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do.

406
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Protecting our buildings often

407
00:17:02,657 --> 00:17:02,824
at, um, uh, standing in harm's

408
00:17:02,824 --> 00:17:04,626
way.

409
00:17:04,626 --> 00:17:06,610
We've seen it here.

410
00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:07,729
We've seen it in new york

411
00:17:07,729 --> 00:17:09,598
unfortunately where uh and uh,

412
00:17:09,598 --> 00:17:11,265
security guard passed away, um

413
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,in the line of duty.

414
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So this is really important

415
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work.

416
00:17:14,569 --> 00:17:15,437
Um, at its core this is about

417
00:17:15,437 --> 00:17:17,105
recognizing that unarmed

418
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security work has become a real

419
00:17:19,174 --> 00:17:19,874
part of the public safety

420
00:17:19,874 --> 00:17:21,309
landscape in our city.

421
00:17:21,309 --> 00:17:22,777
Uh, they're working in

422
00:17:22,777 --> 00:17:23,411
hospitals, universities, uh,

423
00:17:23,411 --> 00:17:24,679
housing developments, office

424
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buildings and many of the

425
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places where they are asked to

426
00:17:27,415 --> 00:17:28,483
regularly deal with emergencies

427
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and people in crisis.

428
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This is about making sure that

429
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when workers are already being

430
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placed in these situations they

431
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have the training, preparation

432
00:17:34,823 --> 00:17:35,824
and support to respond safely

433
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and appropriately.

434
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If we're going to rely on these

435
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professions as heavily as we

436
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do.

437
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We need to make sure that

438
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there's some consistency.

439
00:17:42,970 --> 00:17:42,364
I also have heard feedback from

440
00:17:42,364 --> 00:17:44,364
industry.

441
00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:45,867
I've heard feedback uh from uh

442
00:17:45,867 --> 00:17:48,169
small business owners from

443
00:17:48,169 --> 00:17:50,439
large companies uh from india,

444
00:17:50,439 --> 00:17:50,905
from hospitals from uh a number

445
00:17:50,905 --> 00:17:52,140
of different entities.

446
00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:52,907
And I know that there are some

447
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training that already happened,

448
00:17:53,875 --> 00:17:54,942
but we're one of the only

449
00:17:54,942 --> 00:17:56,612
places that don't that doesn't

450
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have standardized training

451
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across the board.

452
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And so I'm looking forward to

453
00:18:00,181 --> 00:18:01,783
hearing testimony.

454
00:18:01,783 --> 00:18:03,510
Uh, in terms of uh, this

455
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:04,352
ordinance how we make it better

456
00:18:04,352 --> 00:18:06,154
,how we work in partnership,

457
00:18:06,154 --> 00:18:07,550
uh, to make sure that we are

458
00:18:07,550 --> 00:18:08,523
doing the best for our city,

459
00:18:08,523 --> 00:18:09,891
that best for all of our

460
00:18:09,891 --> 00:18:10,158
industry and the best for our

461
00:18:10,158 --> 00:18:11,392
workers.

462
00:18:11,392 --> 00:18:11,760
So thank you for everyone for

463
00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,940
being here.

464
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I am now going to turn it over

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00:18:13,861 --> 00:18:15,861
to the administration.

466
00:18:17,131 --> 00:18:17,499
We are joined today uh by the

467
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administration.

468
00:18:19,134 --> 00:18:20,601
We are joined by lumen dorine,

469
00:18:20,601 --> 00:18:23,710
senior advisor for labor policy

470
00:18:23,710 --> 00:18:24,973
and uh jody sugarman bra bra

471
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and deputy chief of work

472
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empowerment.

473
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I will turn it over to you for

474
00:18:29,544 --> 00:18:30,545
any introductory remarks or any

475
00:18:30,545 --> 00:18:32,114
comments or I'm not sure if you

476
00:18:32,114 --> 00:18:34,182
have a presentation but you now

477
00:18:34,182 --> 00:18:35,149
have the floor and I will not

478
00:18:35,149 --> 00:18:35,550
the timer is off.

479
00:18:35,550 --> 00:18:37,385
Okay.

480
00:18:37,385 --> 00:18:37,986
Uh, louie the floor.

481
00:18:37,986 --> 00:18:38,620
Uh good.

482
00:18:38,620 --> 00:18:39,200
Morning chairs.

483
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,255
Councilors.

484
00:18:40,255 --> 00:18:41,289
Thank you for the opportunity

485
00:18:41,289 --> 00:18:43,289
to testify today.

486
00:18:43,358 --> 00:18:44,659
Um, as is my practice.

487
00:18:44,659 --> 00:18:45,761
I'll keep the opening quick and

488
00:18:45,761 --> 00:18:48,430
save time for the conversation

489
00:18:48,430 --> 00:18:50,990
and the questions, but, uh, I

490
00:18:50,990 --> 00:18:51,599
think from the, uh,

491
00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:53,599
administration standpoint, uh,

492
00:18:53,668 --> 00:18:54,936
there's a lot to like in, uh,

493
00:18:54,936 --> 00:18:55,404
this ordinance at least in

494
00:18:55,404 --> 00:18:57,404
concept.

495
00:18:57,639 --> 00:19:00,175
Uh, we also, uh, sort of only

496
00:19:00,175 --> 00:19:01,809
got it recently and have been

497
00:19:01,809 --> 00:19:03,911
preparing and you know, much

498
00:19:03,911 --> 00:19:05,581
of the work uh, is obviously

499
00:19:05,581 --> 00:19:07,248
going to be done when uh, it's

500
00:19:07,248 --> 00:19:09,150
passed and the agency has to

501
00:19:09,150 --> 00:19:10,618
set it up and implement it so,

502
00:19:10,618 --> 00:19:12,587
you know, that's one uh, flag

503
00:19:12,587 --> 00:19:14,689
we know but uh, you know, there

504
00:19:14,689 --> 00:19:17,158
are obviously things in here I

505
00:19:17,158 --> 00:19:17,426
think that, um, have a lot

506
00:19:17,426 --> 00:19:19,426
of merit.

507
00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:22,664
So you know, the training in

508
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narcan administration or

509
00:19:23,731 --> 00:19:25,600
de-escalation, uh, dealing with

510
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,468
folks, uh, struggling with

511
00:19:26,468 --> 00:19:28,468
addiction issues.

512
00:19:28,703 --> 00:19:31,206
I don't think anybody could be

513
00:19:31,206 --> 00:19:33,740
opposed to having, uh, you

514
00:19:33,740 --> 00:19:34,342
know, ensuring that we have a

515
00:19:34,342 --> 00:19:35,811
baseline uniform standard

516
00:19:35,811 --> 00:19:36,645
across the city to protect our

517
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hospitals, protect our

518
00:19:37,712 --> 00:19:40,112
universities, protect our banks

519
00:19:40,214 --> 00:19:40,448
,uh, protect our concert

520
00:19:40,448 --> 00:19:42,448
venues.

521
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,385
Um, in those circumstances and

522
00:19:44,385 --> 00:19:45,453
also most importantly, I think

523
00:19:45,453 --> 00:19:46,321
protect the workers themselves

524
00:19:46,321 --> 00:19:47,422
and make sure that they have

525
00:19:47,422 --> 00:19:48,490
the skills and the training to

526
00:19:48,490 --> 00:19:49,891
deal with whatever they face.

527
00:19:49,891 --> 00:19:52,994
And then I think the other

528
00:19:52,994 --> 00:19:54,462
piece of it uh, that um, you

529
00:19:54,462 --> 00:19:55,730
know, jumps up to us is the

530
00:19:55,730 --> 00:19:57,730
economic mobility.

531
00:19:57,799 --> 00:19:59,467
So uh, you know, the

532
00:19:59,467 --> 00:20:02,971
commonwealth in its in in in

533
00:20:02,971 --> 00:20:04,239
its decision making in 1972 uh

534
00:20:04,239 --> 00:20:05,506
embraced the principle that

535
00:20:05,506 --> 00:20:07,609
police officers should formally

536
00:20:07,609 --> 00:20:09,277
be uh formally get education

537
00:20:09,277 --> 00:20:10,879
and be compensated for it.

538
00:20:10,879 --> 00:20:12,347
And I think the same principle

539
00:20:12,347 --> 00:20:14,449
obtains for our private unarmed

540
00:20:14,449 --> 00:20:15,717
security guards education and

541
00:20:15,717 --> 00:20:16,584
training makes them better able

542
00:20:16,584 --> 00:20:18,420
to do their jobs.

543
00:20:18,420 --> 00:20:19,854
A uniform standard protects the

544
00:20:19,854 --> 00:20:21,356
city and protects the

545
00:20:21,356 --> 00:20:22,223
stakeholders and protects the

546
00:20:22,223 --> 00:20:22,457
institutions that we care

547
00:20:22,457 --> 00:20:24,457
about.

548
00:20:25,293 --> 00:20:27,162
So uh that is essentially what

549
00:20:27,162 --> 00:20:28,429
you'll hear from us today and

550
00:20:28,429 --> 00:20:29,898
we look forward to answering

551
00:20:29,898 --> 00:20:30,231
your questions and having a

552
00:20:30,231 --> 00:20:30,965
conversation.

553
00:20:30,965 --> 00:20:32,200
Thanks so much.

554
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,340
Thank you.

555
00:20:33,340 --> 00:20:34,435
Advisor amanda rini.

556
00:20:34,435 --> 00:20:36,835
Uh, deputy chief sugarman

557
00:20:37,105 --> 00:20:38,339
bronson rosen.

558
00:20:38,339 --> 00:20:40,174
Sorry if I'm frozen.

559
00:20:40,174 --> 00:20:41,175
A second.

560
00:20:41,175 --> 00:20:42,410
Okay.

561
00:20:42,410 --> 00:20:42,811
That's all good.

562
00:20:42,811 --> 00:20:44,445
Um.

563
00:20:44,445 --> 00:20:45,714
Thank you so much for the

564
00:20:45,714 --> 00:20:47,315
opportunity to be here today.

565
00:20:47,315 --> 00:20:48,816
Um, as you know, the office

566
00:20:48,816 --> 00:20:50,840
of labor compliance and worker

567
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,954
protections is always looking

568
00:20:51,954 --> 00:20:53,421
for opportunities to ensure

569
00:20:53,421 --> 00:20:55,289
that the workers in the city

570
00:20:55,289 --> 00:20:56,991
of boston not only have the

571
00:20:56,991 --> 00:20:58,590
protections that they need but

572
00:20:58,590 --> 00:20:58,293
pathways to good living wage

573
00:20:58,293 --> 00:21:00,293
jobs.

574
00:21:00,361 --> 00:21:03,310
I don't have much to add, um,

575
00:21:03,310 --> 00:21:04,899
from what lou said except that

576
00:21:04,899 --> 00:21:05,967
um we also are always very

577
00:21:05,967 --> 00:21:06,234
supportive of earn and learn

578
00:21:06,234 --> 00:21:08,234
models.

579
00:21:08,303 --> 00:21:10,371
They're really a critical way

580
00:21:10,371 --> 00:21:12,641
to allow people to enter into

581
00:21:12,641 --> 00:21:14,542
an occupation, uh, without any

582
00:21:14,542 --> 00:21:17,411
of the barriers and to be paid

583
00:21:17,411 --> 00:21:18,680
from day one and have portable

584
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,481
credentials that they can take

585
00:21:20,481 --> 00:21:21,716
in order to have a good start

586
00:21:21,716 --> 00:21:23,384
in a living wage career.

587
00:21:23,384 --> 00:21:24,252
So we look forward to answering

588
00:21:24,252 --> 00:21:26,252
questions here today.

589
00:21:26,487 --> 00:21:27,588
Um, we are you know, we've had

590
00:21:27,588 --> 00:21:29,257
a short amount of time to

591
00:21:29,257 --> 00:21:31,159
review so we have a lot of work

592
00:21:31,159 --> 00:21:32,627
that MAY have to happen um

593
00:21:32,627 --> 00:21:34,496
afterwards but we are looking

594
00:21:34,496 --> 00:21:35,129
forward to answer questions and

595
00:21:35,129 --> 00:21:35,463
engaging with the

596
00:21:35,463 --> 00:21:37,463
council today.

597
00:21:37,832 --> 00:21:39,832
Thank you.

598
00:21:40,468 --> 00:21:41,336
Thank you very much to um the

599
00:21:41,336 --> 00:21:42,403
advisor and to the deputy

600
00:21:42,403 --> 00:21:43,304
director for being here at the

601
00:21:43,304 --> 00:21:44,573
beginning of this conversation

602
00:21:44,573 --> 00:21:46,274
as we introduce this ordinance

603
00:21:46,274 --> 00:21:48,310
and uh, begin the conversation.

604
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:49,544
We appreciate your perspective.

605
00:21:49,544 --> 00:21:50,111
I am now going to turn it over

606
00:21:50,111 --> 00:21:52,800
to my colleagues.

607
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,348
If they have any questions for

608
00:21:53,348 --> 00:21:53,615
this panel, I will give my

609
00:21:53,615 --> 00:21:55,160
colleague.

610
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:55,884
Seven minutes inclusive of any

611
00:21:55,884 --> 00:21:57,884
questions and answers.

612
00:21:58,253 --> 00:21:59,721
Uh, councilor santana as the

613
00:21:59,721 --> 00:22:00,288
lead sponsor you begin and you

614
00:22:00,288 --> 00:22:01,522
have seven minutes.

615
00:22:01,522 --> 00:22:03,522
Thank you.

616
00:22:03,958 --> 00:22:06,194
Um thank you, MADAM Chair.

617
00:22:06,194 --> 00:22:07,261
Um, and thank you, um, both for

618
00:22:07,261 --> 00:22:07,729
being here and for answering

619
00:22:07,729 --> 00:22:09,664
our questions.

620
00:22:09,664 --> 00:22:11,320
Um, you know, I failed to

621
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,234
mention in my opening statement

622
00:22:13,234 --> 00:22:15,303
um, you know, I actually was um

623
00:22:15,303 --> 00:22:15,971
,my first campaign, um, for

624
00:22:15,971 --> 00:22:17,305
this job.

625
00:22:17,305 --> 00:22:19,173
Um, I was actually working

626
00:22:19,173 --> 00:22:21,573
overnights doing security, um,

627
00:22:21,576 --> 00:22:23,440
and um, you know, it was it was

628
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:23,511
a great job and I was very

629
00:22:23,511 --> 00:22:25,511
tiring job.

630
00:22:25,747 --> 00:22:26,814
Um, but I also um it goes in

631
00:22:26,814 --> 00:22:27,480
hand with what's being proposed

632
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,480
today.

633
00:22:29,684 --> 00:22:31,586
I did not have the proper

634
00:22:31,586 --> 00:22:32,621
training to be able to deal

635
00:22:32,621 --> 00:22:33,921
with all the situations that

636
00:22:33,921 --> 00:22:34,155
MAY dad, I MAY have encountered

637
00:22:34,155 --> 00:22:36,155
.

638
00:22:36,191 --> 00:22:37,458
Um, and I learned that

639
00:22:37,458 --> 00:22:39,694
firsthand while doing the job.

640
00:22:39,694 --> 00:22:42,597
Um, you know, I was supervising

641
00:22:42,597 --> 00:22:43,640
or securing a, um, an elderly

642
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,640
facility.

643
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:47,368
Um, you know, many of them were

644
00:22:47,368 --> 00:22:48,836
um and that by, you know, 8:09

645
00:22:48,836 --> 00:22:50,305
P.M. Um, and I was working

646
00:22:50,305 --> 00:22:53,207
overnight and um, all sorts

647
00:22:53,207 --> 00:22:54,208
of things will happen um,

648
00:22:54,208 --> 00:22:55,677
between 11 P.M. And 7 A.M. When

649
00:22:55,677 --> 00:22:58,746
I was um when I was there.

650
00:22:58,746 --> 00:23:01,150
um um so I got to do want to

651
00:23:01,150 --> 00:23:02,517
thank the um, um, the union 32

652
00:23:02,517 --> 00:23:04,385
bj um for having conversations

653
00:23:04,385 --> 00:23:05,953
with my office um, and being

654
00:23:05,953 --> 00:23:06,421
able to bring this, um, up to

655
00:23:06,421 --> 00:23:08,421
the attention.

656
00:23:09,257 --> 00:23:10,725
So, um, I know you've had, um,

657
00:23:10,725 --> 00:23:12,627
short on time to be able to

658
00:23:12,627 --> 00:23:13,728
review this, but, um, you know,

659
00:23:13,728 --> 00:23:15,129
I want to make sure that we are

660
00:23:15,129 --> 00:23:15,363
not just passing good policy on

661
00:23:15,363 --> 00:23:17,298
paper.

662
00:23:17,298 --> 00:23:18,966
Um, from the administration

663
00:23:18,966 --> 00:23:21,269
perspective, um, what are

664
00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:23,237
specific resources staffing, um

665
00:23:23,237 --> 00:23:25,139
systems and processes that need

666
00:23:25,139 --> 00:23:26,607
to be in place for an ordinance

667
00:23:26,607 --> 00:23:26,874
like this one to work in

668
00:23:26,874 --> 00:23:28,874
practice?

669
00:23:29,277 --> 00:23:30,345
That's a great question that

670
00:23:30,345 --> 00:23:31,120
we're we're still trying to

671
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:32,347
figure that out.

672
00:23:32,347 --> 00:23:33,214
Um, we've been in contact with

673
00:23:33,214 --> 00:23:34,916
some of our colleagues

674
00:23:34,916 --> 00:23:36,916
counterparts in philadelphia.

675
00:23:37,351 --> 00:23:39,654
Um, but it's clear that we need

676
00:23:39,654 --> 00:23:41,322
the capacity to be able to

677
00:23:41,322 --> 00:23:42,590
review um, proposed

678
00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:44,590
applications permits.

679
00:23:45,627 --> 00:23:48,329
Uh, but I think we want to make

680
00:23:48,329 --> 00:23:49,564
sure that we do that work and

681
00:23:49,564 --> 00:23:50,331
do the due diligence

682
00:23:50,331 --> 00:23:52,633
of understanding that in

683
00:23:52,633 --> 00:23:54,302
partnership with the workers on

684
00:23:54,302 --> 00:23:55,136
the front lines with industry

685
00:23:55,136 --> 00:23:57,136
including understanding what

686
00:23:57,639 --> 00:23:58,105
should be part of the training

687
00:23:58,105 --> 00:24:00,105
program?

688
00:24:02,176 --> 00:24:03,244
Um, so we we know that there is

689
00:24:03,244 --> 00:24:05,113
capacity needed and we're still

690
00:24:05,113 --> 00:24:06,130
trying to figure that out.

691
00:24:06,130 --> 00:24:07,949
Yeah.

692
00:24:07,949 --> 00:24:09,251
>> and then as we still figure

693
00:24:09,251 --> 00:24:10,485
that out I'm wondering if there

694
00:24:10,485 --> 00:24:12,485
are any um.

695
00:24:14,355 --> 00:24:15,156
Uh like in terms

696
00:24:15,156 --> 00:24:16,230
of implementation, are there

697
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:17,592
any barriers that you're able

698
00:24:17,592 --> 00:24:19,494
to see right now that um, that

699
00:24:19,494 --> 00:24:20,861
we MAY be able to identify um

700
00:24:20,861 --> 00:24:23,261
in terms of implementation?

701
00:24:24,966 --> 00:24:29,166
I don't know that I would say

702
00:24:29,904 --> 00:24:30,538
barriers as much as um ups or

703
00:24:30,538 --> 00:24:32,373
not even obstacles.

704
00:24:32,373 --> 00:24:33,841
We need to figure out what's

705
00:24:33,841 --> 00:24:35,109
needed and set up systems in

706
00:24:35,109 --> 00:24:37,378
place to make that happen.

707
00:24:37,378 --> 00:24:39,470
So the first step is what is

708
00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:40,315
involved what would be required

709
00:24:40,315 --> 00:24:41,983
of our office, what kind

710
00:24:41,983 --> 00:24:43,251
of capacity would be needed and

711
00:24:43,251 --> 00:24:44,919
then moving forward to ensure

712
00:24:44,919 --> 00:24:45,386
that we could meet that

713
00:24:45,386 --> 00:24:46,587
capacity.

714
00:24:46,587 --> 00:24:47,622
We're very lucky.

715
00:24:47,622 --> 00:24:50,124
The office of labor compliance

716
00:24:50,124 --> 00:24:51,559
and worker protections is new.

717
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:52,627
It is part of the new worker

718
00:24:52,627 --> 00:24:54,950
empowerment cabinet, but it

719
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:54,929
also is part of a cabinet that

720
00:24:54,929 --> 00:24:56,197
includes the office

721
00:24:56,197 --> 00:24:57,899
of workforce development, which

722
00:24:57,899 --> 00:24:58,900
has extensive experience in.

723
00:24:58,900 --> 00:24:59,333
Supporting training programs

724
00:24:59,333 --> 00:25:01,333
like this.

725
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:04,906
So I feel like we have a lot

726
00:25:04,906 --> 00:25:06,207
of um, expertise and we've got

727
00:25:06,207 --> 00:25:07,242
a couple of other cities that

728
00:25:07,242 --> 00:25:09,642
we can learn from.

729
00:25:10,478 --> 00:25:12,380
Uh, so I think really it's a

730
00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:14,480
timeline and understanding that

731
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,950
we we would need some lead time

732
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:18,190
to go through that process and

733
00:25:18,190 --> 00:25:20,321
not be able to jump into this

734
00:25:20,321 --> 00:25:21,989
um, in 30 days even if it's

735
00:25:21,989 --> 00:25:23,858
effective in 30 days we'd need

736
00:25:23,858 --> 00:25:25,126
more time to ensure that we're

737
00:25:25,126 --> 00:25:26,594
setting up the systems in place

738
00:25:26,594 --> 00:25:28,129
to take in the permit

739
00:25:28,129 --> 00:25:28,963
applications and ensure all the

740
00:25:28,963 --> 00:25:30,198
systems are there.

741
00:25:30,198 --> 00:25:30,965
Absolutely, absolutely.

742
00:25:30,965 --> 00:25:33,201
>> I really appreciate that.

743
00:25:33,201 --> 00:25:33,901
Um, lou, I know you're in um I

744
00:25:33,901 --> 00:25:35,536
appreciate you being here.

745
00:25:35,536 --> 00:25:36,404
I know you're in constant

746
00:25:36,404 --> 00:25:37,839
communications with a lot

747
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:38,940
of our unions, a lot of our

748
00:25:38,940 --> 00:25:41,208
worker, uh, workers throughout

749
00:25:41,208 --> 00:25:42,677
the city wondering um, you

750
00:25:42,677 --> 00:25:44,512
know, what are you hearing?

751
00:25:44,512 --> 00:25:45,980
Um, maybe prior to even this

752
00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:47,849
introduction from our workers,

753
00:25:47,849 --> 00:25:48,916
um, and maybe specifically our

754
00:25:48,916 --> 00:25:50,916
unarmed security guards.

755
00:25:51,252 --> 00:25:52,520
Um, and then, you know, have

756
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,788
you heard anything since maybe

757
00:25:53,788 --> 00:25:55,788
this introduction?

758
00:25:56,257 --> 00:25:57,658
Well, I mean, I think, um, this

759
00:25:57,658 --> 00:25:58,693
is probably a point to talk a

760
00:25:58,693 --> 00:26:00,161
little bit more about the

761
00:26:00,161 --> 00:26:01,229
economic mobility, uh, piece

762
00:26:01,229 --> 00:26:01,529
of this which is very

763
00:26:01,529 --> 00:26:03,529
attractive.

764
00:26:04,131 --> 00:26:06,601
So I think having a uniform

765
00:26:06,601 --> 00:26:09,103
standard um, that enables our

766
00:26:09,103 --> 00:26:10,571
workers uh, to get a credential

767
00:26:10,571 --> 00:26:12,571
enhances their economic

768
00:26:12,841 --> 00:26:13,908
mobility and that could be as

769
00:26:13,908 --> 00:26:15,810
simple as sort of moving to

770
00:26:15,810 --> 00:26:18,790
another security provider or it

771
00:26:18,790 --> 00:26:19,681
could be potentially getting

772
00:26:19,681 --> 00:26:20,748
exposed to, you know, something

773
00:26:20,748 --> 00:26:22,416
that takes them on a different

774
00:26:22,416 --> 00:26:24,251
but related career trajectory.

775
00:26:24,251 --> 00:26:26,530
This is an incredibly expensive

776
00:26:26,530 --> 00:26:26,487
city to live in and I think

777
00:26:26,487 --> 00:26:28,122
giving.

778
00:26:28,122 --> 00:26:28,990
Opportunities to people

779
00:26:28,990 --> 00:26:30,158
particularly at the bottom

780
00:26:30,158 --> 00:26:31,425
of the economic scale so that

781
00:26:31,425 --> 00:26:33,494
they can move around a little

782
00:26:33,494 --> 00:26:34,962
bit more easily, they can have

783
00:26:34,962 --> 00:26:36,231
good, you know, middle class

784
00:26:36,231 --> 00:26:37,298
wages and economic protection

785
00:26:37,298 --> 00:26:38,533
that comes.

786
00:26:38,533 --> 00:26:38,966
This is a step in that

787
00:26:38,966 --> 00:26:40,334
direction.

788
00:26:40,334 --> 00:26:41,802
So you know that's why it's

789
00:26:41,802 --> 00:26:43,171
attractive to us and I think it

790
00:26:43,171 --> 00:26:44,271
gives a lot of opportunity to a

791
00:26:44,271 --> 00:26:46,541
lot of people that are working

792
00:26:46,541 --> 00:26:47,608
very hard and they could uh

793
00:26:47,608 --> 00:26:48,709
they could have something that

794
00:26:48,709 --> 00:26:49,143
makes it a little bit easier

795
00:26:49,143 --> 00:26:50,978
for them.

796
00:26:50,978 --> 00:26:51,212
So that's a I think what we

797
00:26:51,212 --> 00:26:51,846
stand.

798
00:26:51,846 --> 00:26:52,880
All right.

799
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,181
No I really appreciate that

800
00:26:53,181 --> 00:26:54,248
perspective.

801
00:26:54,248 --> 00:26:55,116
It it's something that we

802
00:26:55,116 --> 00:26:57,116
definitely took under

803
00:26:57,385 --> 00:26:59,687
consideration when um um when

804
00:26:59,687 --> 00:27:00,889
creating this ordinance um I, I

805
00:27:00,889 --> 00:27:02,757
don't I don't want to have

806
00:27:02,757 --> 00:27:04,325
questions um for for this panel

807
00:27:04,325 --> 00:27:05,927
um I have a few for the the

808
00:27:05,927 --> 00:27:06,894
next panel but I do want to um

809
00:27:06,894 --> 00:27:08,396
thank the administration for

810
00:27:08,396 --> 00:27:10,640
being here being present um, on

811
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,233
a short timeline and then I

812
00:27:12,233 --> 00:27:13,535
also um you know, I think

813
00:27:13,535 --> 00:27:15,203
there's, uh we want to be able

814
00:27:15,203 --> 00:27:16,700
to work with you all, um, work

815
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:17,338
with everyone.

816
00:27:17,338 --> 00:27:18,306
Um, and you know, I know we're

817
00:27:18,306 --> 00:27:18,773
going to have public testimony

818
00:27:18,773 --> 00:27:20,773
later too.

819
00:27:20,908 --> 00:27:22,844
Um, looking forward to that.

820
00:27:22,844 --> 00:27:23,911
Um, to make sure that, um, as

821
00:27:23,911 --> 00:27:24,979
we're creating this that we're

822
00:27:24,979 --> 00:27:25,847
not speeding through this um,

823
00:27:25,847 --> 00:27:27,315
but that we're being

824
00:27:27,315 --> 00:27:28,583
thoughtful, um, and thinking

825
00:27:28,583 --> 00:27:29,160
about everyone and how this

826
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,160
affects everyone.

827
00:27:31,252 --> 00:27:31,819
So um and again, thank you both

828
00:27:31,819 --> 00:27:33,287
for being here.

829
00:27:33,287 --> 00:27:34,288
Um, and I'll hand back my time.

830
00:27:34,288 --> 00:27:35,122
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

831
00:27:35,122 --> 00:27:35,957
Thank you.

832
00:27:35,957 --> 00:27:36,959
Uh, the.

833
00:27:36,959 --> 00:27:37,358
Chair recognizes

834
00:27:37,358 --> 00:27:38,793
councilor murphy.

835
00:27:38,793 --> 00:27:39,600
You have the floor in seven

836
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:39,394
minutes.

837
00:27:39,394 --> 00:27:40,194
Thank you.

838
00:27:40,194 --> 00:27:41,829
>> um.

839
00:27:41,829 --> 00:27:42,630
Thank you.

840
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:44,630
Um, has.

841
00:27:45,299 --> 00:27:46,167
Any of this work already been

842
00:27:46,167 --> 00:27:47,368
going on?

843
00:27:47,368 --> 00:27:49,700
Because I know this ordinance

844
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:50,438
and I if I heard you correctly

845
00:27:50,438 --> 00:27:51,305
,you said it a few times that

846
00:27:51,305 --> 00:27:51,872
this is kind of coming.

847
00:27:51,872 --> 00:27:52,173
>> on quick.

848
00:27:52,173 --> 00:27:52,640
And you.

849
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,640
>> don't.

850
00:27:54,642 --> 00:27:55,943
really have you know, the all

851
00:27:55,943 --> 00:27:56,777
the answers or thought through

852
00:27:56,777 --> 00:27:57,812
this yet.

853
00:27:57,812 --> 00:27:59,812
So if.

854
00:27:59,947 --> 00:28:01,415
We have as an administration

855
00:28:01,415 --> 00:28:03,815
already kind of thinking

856
00:28:04,118 --> 00:28:06,387
of this work have any small

857
00:28:06,387 --> 00:28:07,655
security companies nonunion

858
00:28:07,655 --> 00:28:09,557
security guards or property

859
00:28:09,557 --> 00:28:11,426
owners, hospitals, schools, you

860
00:28:11,426 --> 00:28:12,694
know, all of the organizations

861
00:28:12,694 --> 00:28:14,762
that MAY be impacted

862
00:28:14,762 --> 00:28:16,331
neighborhood businesses have we

863
00:28:16,331 --> 00:28:16,797
as an administration consulted

864
00:28:16,797 --> 00:28:18,797
any of.

865
00:28:18,833 --> 00:28:21,233
Them on this issue?

866
00:28:22,670 --> 00:28:23,538
So we are uh we have had

867
00:28:23,538 --> 00:28:25,606
exchanges and in preparation

868
00:28:25,606 --> 00:28:27,709
for this we have had uh some

869
00:28:27,709 --> 00:28:29,176
conversations with industry and

870
00:28:29,176 --> 00:28:30,278
uh are looking forward to

871
00:28:30,278 --> 00:28:30,511
continuing those conversations

872
00:28:30,511 --> 00:28:31,612
.

873
00:28:31,612 --> 00:28:33,114
We haven't touched the whole

874
00:28:33,114 --> 00:28:34,381
ecosystem yet as we said

875
00:28:34,381 --> 00:28:36,417
because this moved on fast.

876
00:28:36,417 --> 00:28:37,485
But councilor, I think you're

877
00:28:37,485 --> 00:28:38,720
highlighting a point that's

878
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,520
important, which is that we

879
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,588
need to have those cameras so

880
00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:42,657
you can't do something like

881
00:28:42,657 --> 00:28:43,124
this over the objections of the

882
00:28:43,124 --> 00:28:44,759
entire industry.

883
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:45,526
You have to do it with them and

884
00:28:45,526 --> 00:28:45,726
working in partnership with

885
00:28:45,726 --> 00:28:46,561
them.

886
00:28:46,561 --> 00:28:48,620
And I think that could.

887
00:28:48,620 --> 00:28:50,164
>> you explain um, maybe for

888
00:28:50,164 --> 00:28:51,832
the public watching to who do

889
00:28:51,832 --> 00:28:54,232
you consider the industry?

890
00:28:55,102 --> 00:28:56,304
Well uh, certainly folks that

891
00:28:56,304 --> 00:28:57,171
are on the other side of the

892
00:28:57,171 --> 00:28:58,205
collective bargaining

893
00:28:58,205 --> 00:28:59,473
relationship with some of the

894
00:28:59,473 --> 00:29:00,341
unions but I think it's anybody

895
00:29:00,341 --> 00:29:00,608
that provides this private

896
00:29:00,608 --> 00:29:02,210
security.

897
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:04,278
I mean, I think the more people

898
00:29:04,278 --> 00:29:05,546
you talk to and at least get

899
00:29:05,546 --> 00:29:07,849
their input it doesn't, you

900
00:29:07,849 --> 00:29:09,317
know, mean that all points are

901
00:29:09,317 --> 00:29:09,517
equal and all things have to be

902
00:29:09,517 --> 00:29:11,118
done.

903
00:29:11,118 --> 00:29:12,860
But I think those conversations

904
00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:12,954
are important so we're in the

905
00:29:12,954 --> 00:29:15,354
process of having them.

906
00:29:15,389 --> 00:29:17,789
Okay a question um.

907
00:29:18,250 --> 00:29:18,359
The ordinance says training.

908
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:20,194
MAY be.

909
00:29:20,194 --> 00:29:21,996
>> provided only by a federally

910
00:29:21,996 --> 00:29:23,970
tax exempt organization, MAY.

911
00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:23,331
>> not be controlled.

912
00:29:23,331 --> 00:29:24,565
By a.

913
00:29:24,565 --> 00:29:26,565
>> security employer.

914
00:29:26,601 --> 00:29:28,690
And must be conducted

915
00:29:28,690 --> 00:29:28,970
exclusively through in-person

916
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:30,970
classroom instruction.

917
00:29:32,606 --> 00:29:33,875
Um why are qualified security

918
00:29:33,875 --> 00:29:34,341
companies and legitimate online

919
00:29:34,341 --> 00:29:36,143
or hybrid.

920
00:29:36,143 --> 00:29:37,445
Training providers

921
00:29:37,445 --> 00:29:38,479
categorically excluded?

922
00:29:38,479 --> 00:29:40,781
Like have we thought that

923
00:29:40,781 --> 00:29:41,415
through or do you have an

924
00:29:41,415 --> 00:29:42,850
understanding of.

925
00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:44,185
Why it MAY have.

926
00:29:44,185 --> 00:29:46,454
>> had such strong wording

927
00:29:46,454 --> 00:29:50,540
of just in person tax exempt?

928
00:29:50,758 --> 00:29:53,661
I think that first we know that

929
00:29:53,661 --> 00:29:55,363
there are risks in for profit

930
00:29:55,363 --> 00:29:57,631
training programs and I think

931
00:29:57,631 --> 00:30:00,134
that the ensuring that the

932
00:30:00,134 --> 00:30:02,203
training programs are there to

933
00:30:02,203 --> 00:30:03,671
benefit workers and employers

934
00:30:03,671 --> 00:30:05,139
and ensuring that they're

935
00:30:05,139 --> 00:30:06,607
meeting the needs of the

936
00:30:06,607 --> 00:30:07,740
workers and the employers who

937
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:09,740
hire them.

938
00:30:11,746 --> 00:30:14,615
Um, I know that um, in-person

939
00:30:14,615 --> 00:30:15,820
training for things like

940
00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:17,820
de-escalation.

941
00:30:20,187 --> 00:30:22,560
And um overdose training and um

942
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,725
other important trainings that

943
00:30:23,725 --> 00:30:25,260
are critical to ensuring that

944
00:30:25,260 --> 00:30:26,494
the public and workers are safe

945
00:30:26,494 --> 00:30:29,494
are best done in person.

946
00:30:29,530 --> 00:30:31,198
Um, so I think that is the

947
00:30:31,198 --> 00:30:31,666
reasoning and thinking behind

948
00:30:31,666 --> 00:30:32,660
that.

949
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:34,660
Um.

950
00:30:34,401 --> 00:30:35,670
>> I think as we go through the

951
00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:37,371
process of developing the

952
00:30:37,371 --> 00:30:38,840
training program, we as we said

953
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,106
we will engage with the

954
00:30:39,106 --> 00:30:41,106
industry.

955
00:30:41,342 --> 00:30:42,610
We will engage with workers on

956
00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:44,679
the front lines to ensure that

957
00:30:44,679 --> 00:30:46,381
what we are creating and

958
00:30:46,381 --> 00:30:47,848
certifying meets the needs

959
00:30:47,848 --> 00:30:49,116
of those workers on the front

960
00:30:49,116 --> 00:30:50,170
lines and of course the

961
00:30:50,170 --> 00:30:50,384
employers that are going to be

962
00:30:50,384 --> 00:30:51,585
hiring them.

963
00:30:51,585 --> 00:30:53,585
Thank you.

964
00:30:53,821 --> 00:30:55,923
The ordinance would take effect

965
00:30:55,923 --> 00:30:57,791
30 days after passage, but it

966
00:30:57,791 --> 00:30:59,600
requires the city to create a

967
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,695
permit system, certify.

968
00:31:00,695 --> 00:31:02,695
Training providers.

969
00:31:02,864 --> 00:31:04,864
Establish qualifications,

970
00:31:05,132 --> 00:31:05,599
determine fees, issue notices,

971
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:07,599
develop complaint.

972
00:31:08,235 --> 00:31:08,703
Procedures and promulgate

973
00:31:08,703 --> 00:31:09,937
regulations.

974
00:31:09,937 --> 00:31:12,337
How can businesses legally.

975
00:31:12,773 --> 00:31:14,420
Comply when none of those

976
00:31:14,420 --> 00:31:15,643
systems are already in place?

977
00:31:15,643 --> 00:31:16,644
If you could kind of talk

978
00:31:16,644 --> 00:31:16,877
through what that would look

979
00:31:16,877 --> 00:31:18,877
like.

980
00:31:19,914 --> 00:31:21,816
,uh, I my understanding is

981
00:31:21,816 --> 00:31:22,650
that those systems must be in

982
00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:24,118
place for the first

983
00:31:24,118 --> 00:31:26,321
certification by JULY of the

984
00:31:26,321 --> 00:31:28,155
following year, JULY 2027.

985
00:31:28,155 --> 00:31:29,623
So I have not yet had an

986
00:31:29,623 --> 00:31:30,891
opportunity to really dig in to

987
00:31:30,891 --> 00:31:33,161
understand what must be in

988
00:31:33,161 --> 00:31:35,864
place prior versus when people

989
00:31:35,864 --> 00:31:36,331
would be permitted and by that

990
00:31:36,331 --> 00:31:37,966
JULY 1st.

991
00:31:37,966 --> 00:31:38,566
2027 would.

992
00:31:38,566 --> 00:31:40,566
Be the.

993
00:31:41,736 --> 00:31:43,604
>> first set of permitted and

994
00:31:43,604 --> 00:31:46,400
um new training programs.

995
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,308
So I can't really answer that

996
00:31:47,308 --> 00:31:49,610
question because I'm not quite

997
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:50,110
sure yet what the differences.

998
00:31:50,110 --> 00:31:51,111
Okay.

999
00:31:51,111 --> 00:31:52,246
>> thank you.

1000
00:31:52,246 --> 00:31:52,680
that's all I have for.

1001
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,215
Thank you.

1002
00:31:54,215 --> 00:31:54,782
>> the chair recognizes

1003
00:31:54,782 --> 00:31:56,217
councilor flynn.

1004
00:31:56,217 --> 00:31:56,451
You have the floor and seven

1005
00:31:56,451 --> 00:31:58,860
minutes.

1006
00:31:58,860 --> 00:31:59,220
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

1007
00:31:59,220 --> 00:31:59,854
Thank you, jody for your

1008
00:31:59,854 --> 00:32:00,688
important work.

1009
00:32:00,688 --> 00:32:02,688
That you're doing.

1010
00:32:02,923 --> 00:32:04,792
Um, jody, just wanted to follow

1011
00:32:04,792 --> 00:32:05,192
up on a comment

1012
00:32:05,192 --> 00:32:06,260
councilor murphy.

1013
00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:07,940
Made or a.

1014
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:08,529
Question rather.

1015
00:32:08,529 --> 00:32:08,963
The people.

1016
00:32:08,963 --> 00:32:10,963
That would.

1017
00:32:11,699 --> 00:32:12,767
>> be providing the training or

1018
00:32:12,767 --> 00:32:14,100
the groups that would be.

1019
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:14,802
Providing the training.

1020
00:32:14,802 --> 00:32:16,300
Could you just.

1021
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,300
Restate that who.

1022
00:32:18,472 --> 00:32:19,540
Would be qualified under under

1023
00:32:19,540 --> 00:32:21,540
what conditions.

1024
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:24,712
The the the as it stands right

1025
00:32:24,712 --> 00:32:27,781
now it must be a nonprofit.

1026
00:32:27,781 --> 00:32:28,849
Entity that provides the

1027
00:32:28,849 --> 00:32:29,851
training that would be

1028
00:32:29,851 --> 00:32:30,840
permitted in order to receive a

1029
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:31,218
permit.

1030
00:32:31,218 --> 00:32:32,620
To give the training.

1031
00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:33,654
That's what must.

1032
00:32:33,654 --> 00:32:34,889
It must.

1033
00:32:34,889 --> 00:32:35,222
>> be the case a nonprofit

1034
00:32:35,222 --> 00:32:37,191
organization.

1035
00:32:37,191 --> 00:32:38,325
Is there any.

1036
00:32:38,325 --> 00:32:40,194
>> type of nonprofit

1037
00:32:40,194 --> 00:32:41,620
organizations currently that do

1038
00:32:41,620 --> 00:32:43,620
provide that training?

1039
00:32:44,699 --> 00:32:45,766
I don't know I'm not sure I.

1040
00:32:45,766 --> 00:32:49,366
Lo do you know the answer?

1041
00:32:49,437 --> 00:32:50,710
Uh I don't as I sit here and

1042
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:52,710
talk I don't.

1043
00:32:55,376 --> 00:32:56,243
Okay MADAM Chair, MAY I get

1044
00:32:56,243 --> 00:32:58,243
that information?

1045
00:32:58,279 --> 00:32:59,881
Um please.

1046
00:32:59,881 --> 00:33:00,581
Yet the question is if there

1047
00:33:00,581 --> 00:33:01,416
are nonprofit organizations

1048
00:33:01,416 --> 00:33:02,516
that already provide the

1049
00:33:02,516 --> 00:33:03,384
training that's being required

1050
00:33:03,384 --> 00:33:03,884
under this ordinance.

1051
00:33:03,884 --> 00:33:05,884
It's the.

1052
00:33:06,721 --> 00:33:08,155
Question I guess, um.

1053
00:33:08,155 --> 00:33:10,570
If there are no.

1054
00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:12,457
Nonprofits that do provide.

1055
00:33:13,661 --> 00:33:16,661
This training, is there any.

1056
00:33:17,331 --> 00:33:18,165
For profit organization

1057
00:33:18,165 --> 00:33:18,632
organizations that do provide

1058
00:33:18,632 --> 00:33:20,632
this training?

1059
00:33:21,502 --> 00:33:24,171
I think the structure at the

1060
00:33:24,171 --> 00:33:26,273
moment is that the companies

1061
00:33:26,273 --> 00:33:27,308
that hire security guards and.

1062
00:33:27,308 --> 00:33:29,308
Contract them out.

1063
00:33:29,744 --> 00:33:32,460
Provide the training, but it is

1064
00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:35,646
as minimal as eight hours and

1065
00:33:36,384 --> 00:33:38,452
then the training is also then

1066
00:33:38,452 --> 00:33:39,420
additionally provided by the

1067
00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:40,654
site that they are.

1068
00:33:40,654 --> 00:33:42,654
Assigned to.

1069
00:33:44,325 --> 00:33:45,926
That structure is varies from

1070
00:33:45,926 --> 00:33:46,727
worker to worker from site.

1071
00:33:46,727 --> 00:33:48,727
To site.

1072
00:33:48,763 --> 00:33:50,465
And what this seeks to do is

1073
00:33:50,465 --> 00:33:52,865
create a minimum standard

1074
00:33:52,967 --> 00:33:53,834
across the board which is

1075
00:33:53,834 --> 00:33:56,234
of significant value that

1076
00:33:56,537 --> 00:33:58,405
ensures that all folks who are

1077
00:33:58,405 --> 00:33:59,874
put on this on the front lines

1078
00:33:59,874 --> 00:34:02,143
who are dealing with medical

1079
00:34:02,143 --> 00:34:03,811
emergencies and other kinds

1080
00:34:03,811 --> 00:34:06,314
of um public safety situations

1081
00:34:06,314 --> 00:34:06,781
have the training they need to

1082
00:34:06,781 --> 00:34:07,348
engage.

1083
00:34:07,348 --> 00:34:09,348
>> with those.

1084
00:34:09,951 --> 00:34:10,217
Would would form of police

1085
00:34:10,217 --> 00:34:11,619
officers.

1086
00:34:11,619 --> 00:34:12,453
That are engaged.

1087
00:34:12,453 --> 00:34:14,453
>> in public.

1088
00:34:14,688 --> 00:34:16,124
Safety in a for.

1089
00:34:16,124 --> 00:34:18,124
Profit space.

1090
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,760
Would they be able to provide.

1091
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:23,864
Formal training to unarmed

1092
00:34:23,864 --> 00:34:24,732
security officers as part

1093
00:34:24,732 --> 00:34:27,132
of this uh, plan?

1094
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:30,271
The ordinance allows a process

1095
00:34:30,271 --> 00:34:32,271
through.

1096
00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:34,808
Which the trainers can then

1097
00:34:34,808 --> 00:34:37,208
define their instructors so

1098
00:34:38,512 --> 00:34:41,382
that is yet to be determined on

1099
00:34:41,382 --> 00:34:42,450
how and where instructors are

1100
00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:44,840
certified, if at all.

1101
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:45,152
But in order to receive a

1102
00:34:45,152 --> 00:34:47,210
permit to provide the training

1103
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:48,489
that's required, the

1104
00:34:48,489 --> 00:34:49,557
application process as it

1105
00:34:49,557 --> 00:34:51,425
stands in the ordinance

1106
00:34:51,425 --> 00:34:54,128
requires that they name their

1107
00:34:54,128 --> 00:34:56,397
um their training trainers and

1108
00:34:56,397 --> 00:34:59,397
one would assume that former

1109
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:00,268
police officers who have had

1110
00:35:00,268 --> 00:35:00,701
significant training.

1111
00:35:00,701 --> 00:35:01,635
>> could.

1112
00:35:01,635 --> 00:35:01,969
Be part of that process.

1113
00:35:01,969 --> 00:35:02,736
Yeah okay.

1114
00:35:02,736 --> 00:35:03,437
>> that's what I was.

1115
00:35:03,437 --> 00:35:04,872
Thinking that this.

1116
00:35:04,872 --> 00:35:07,107
Potentially could go to a.

1117
00:35:07,107 --> 00:35:07,374
Company where a former police

1118
00:35:07,374 --> 00:35:07,775
chief.

1119
00:35:07,775 --> 00:35:09,775
Of a.

1120
00:35:10,411 --> 00:35:12,279
>> city could potentially get

1121
00:35:12,279 --> 00:35:12,546
the contract to provide this

1122
00:35:12,546 --> 00:35:13,614
training.

1123
00:35:13,614 --> 00:35:13,948
Is that is that accurate?

1124
00:35:13,948 --> 00:35:15,916
You're saying.

1125
00:35:15,916 --> 00:35:17,718
>> it the way this is written

1126
00:35:17,718 --> 00:35:19,353
it must be a nonprofit entity.

1127
00:35:19,353 --> 00:35:20,788
Unless it's changed.

1128
00:35:20,788 --> 00:35:22,189
Yeah, after the fact.

1129
00:35:22,189 --> 00:35:23,224
When we write it.

1130
00:35:23,224 --> 00:35:24,580
>> up basically.

1131
00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:25,292
>> is that accurate?

1132
00:35:25,292 --> 00:35:25,893
That is true.

1133
00:35:25,893 --> 00:35:27,528
Okay.

1134
00:35:27,528 --> 00:35:29,196
I think the important piece for

1135
00:35:29,196 --> 00:35:31,265
us, um, is that the training.

1136
00:35:31,265 --> 00:35:34,134
Is no cost to the workers and

1137
00:35:34,134 --> 00:35:34,501
that they are paid to be part

1138
00:35:34,501 --> 00:35:36,136
of the training.

1139
00:35:36,136 --> 00:35:36,704
Those things are really

1140
00:35:36,704 --> 00:35:37,538
critical pieces.

1141
00:35:37,538 --> 00:35:38,472
>> of the ordinance.

1142
00:35:38,472 --> 00:35:40,708
>> no thank you jody.

1143
00:35:40,708 --> 00:35:42,343
Um lou has been.

1144
00:35:42,343 --> 00:35:43,177
Um, invited.

1145
00:35:43,177 --> 00:35:45,177
Into the conversation.

1146
00:35:45,379 --> 00:35:46,481
Uh, but we're certainly on the

1147
00:35:46,481 --> 00:35:48,149
list of people that we will

1148
00:35:48,149 --> 00:35:49,617
talk to but we have not uh, as

1149
00:35:49,617 --> 00:35:50,885
as we say this is moving fast

1150
00:35:50,885 --> 00:35:52,553
and we've had the opportunity

1151
00:35:52,553 --> 00:35:54,755
to talk to some folks and, uh,

1152
00:35:54,755 --> 00:35:55,456
we will talk to others, but

1153
00:35:55,456 --> 00:35:56,123
that was certainly on the list

1154
00:35:56,123 --> 00:35:59,723
of people we need to consult.

1155
00:36:01,428 --> 00:36:02,897
I do hear from a lot of people

1156
00:36:02,897 --> 00:36:03,998
that this is moving fast.

1157
00:36:03,998 --> 00:36:05,432
Is there a reason why.

1158
00:36:05,432 --> 00:36:06,100
It is moving fast?

1159
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:07,401
I'm not saying.

1160
00:36:07,401 --> 00:36:08,369
>> I disagree with that or

1161
00:36:08,369 --> 00:36:11,238
agree with that but what.

1162
00:36:11,238 --> 00:36:11,873
Why is there a sense of urgency

1163
00:36:11,873 --> 00:36:13,873
on this?

1164
00:36:14,741 --> 00:36:16,741
Um.

1165
00:36:18,379 --> 00:36:20,810
>> we're responding to well,

1166
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:20,915
we're responding to a filing I

1167
00:36:20,915 --> 00:36:22,490
think I would leave it at that.

1168
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:24,840
I don't know more than that.

1169
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,953
Uh, and we're sort of doing our

1170
00:36:25,953 --> 00:36:27,454
best to get ahead of it and

1171
00:36:27,454 --> 00:36:29,230
testify to the to the extent

1172
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:29,991
that we can but I I don't know

1173
00:36:29,991 --> 00:36:30,291
the answer to your question,

1174
00:36:30,291 --> 00:36:30,657
COUNCILMAN.

1175
00:36:30,657 --> 00:36:32,657
Well.

1176
00:36:32,693 --> 00:36:33,127
>> it was filed the reason.

1177
00:36:33,127 --> 00:36:33,460
>> I'm.

1178
00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:34,195
Asking was.

1179
00:36:34,195 --> 00:36:35,562
>> filed in the.

1180
00:36:35,562 --> 00:36:35,996
City council recently a couple

1181
00:36:35,996 --> 00:36:37,631
of weeks ago.

1182
00:36:37,631 --> 00:36:40,301
And we're here having a.

1183
00:36:40,301 --> 00:36:42,770
Last week and we're having a

1184
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:45,205
hearing on it and and and.

1185
00:36:45,205 --> 00:36:45,973
There's still a lot of.

1186
00:36:45,973 --> 00:36:46,541
Unanswered questions I'm just

1187
00:36:46,541 --> 00:36:48,175
trying to get to.

1188
00:36:48,175 --> 00:36:48,442
I there's something I'm missing

1189
00:36:48,442 --> 00:36:49,643
.

1190
00:36:49,643 --> 00:36:51,345
There's something I'm missing

1191
00:36:51,345 --> 00:36:53,745
here about the timing.

1192
00:36:53,981 --> 00:36:54,448
Who has information about the

1193
00:36:54,448 --> 00:36:54,982
timing.

1194
00:36:54,982 --> 00:36:56,982
I want to.

1195
00:36:57,318 --> 00:36:58,953
>> know why.

1196
00:36:58,953 --> 00:37:00,221
I want to make sure if we pass

1197
00:37:00,221 --> 00:37:01,489
something it has to be the

1198
00:37:01,489 --> 00:37:02,423
right language.

1199
00:37:02,423 --> 00:37:03,557
I don't want to.

1200
00:37:03,557 --> 00:37:05,250
rush something just to get

1201
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:07,610
something done within two.

1202
00:37:07,610 --> 00:37:07,328
Weeks and then find out we made

1203
00:37:07,328 --> 00:37:08,930
mistakes.

1204
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:10,364
Why are we rushing this.

1205
00:37:10,364 --> 00:37:13,364
To get it done tomorrow?

1206
00:37:16,871 --> 00:37:18,605
No, I.

1207
00:37:18,605 --> 00:37:21,108
>> guess the lead sponsor would

1208
00:37:21,108 --> 00:37:21,542
like to speak on this through

1209
00:37:21,542 --> 00:37:22,776
the chair.

1210
00:37:22,776 --> 00:37:24,110
You MAY through the chair.

1211
00:37:24,110 --> 00:37:25,646
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

1212
00:37:25,646 --> 00:37:25,980
I just want to bring some

1213
00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:27,514
clarification.

1214
00:37:27,514 --> 00:37:28,782
I don't want to I definitely do

1215
00:37:28,782 --> 00:37:29,783
I don't think they know the

1216
00:37:29,783 --> 00:37:30,251
answer to that as well as the

1217
00:37:30,251 --> 00:37:32,251
lead filer.

1218
00:37:32,286 --> 00:37:34,756
Um uh, as you know,

1219
00:37:34,756 --> 00:37:37,257
councilor uh, I as a public

1220
00:37:37,257 --> 00:37:37,492
knows I was away um, for a few

1221
00:37:37,492 --> 00:37:39,359
weeks.

1222
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:42,290
Um, and this was supposed to be

1223
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:43,970
filed um prior um and we were

1224
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:44,365
working with um, the committee

1225
00:37:44,365 --> 00:37:47,340
to try to get things scheduled.

1226
00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:48,702
So, um, it was just that I, uh

1227
00:37:48,702 --> 00:37:49,136
my last week was my first

1228
00:37:49,136 --> 00:37:50,805
meeting back.

1229
00:37:50,805 --> 00:37:52,473
Um, so I've made all my filings

1230
00:37:52,473 --> 00:37:52,673
that I had missed, um, prior to

1231
00:37:52,673 --> 00:37:54,673
this.

1232
00:37:54,775 --> 00:37:55,542
So this is why I think some

1233
00:37:55,542 --> 00:37:58,542
of the timing, um, questions

1234
00:37:58,846 --> 00:38:00,314
but I think, um, I do want to

1235
00:38:00,314 --> 00:38:02,583
make clear that, um, I don't

1236
00:38:02,583 --> 00:38:03,451
think anyone here wants to rush

1237
00:38:03,451 --> 00:38:04,618
through this process.

1238
00:38:04,618 --> 00:38:05,385
I think we want to make sure

1239
00:38:05,385 --> 00:38:07,121
that we're getting it right.

1240
00:38:07,121 --> 00:38:08,389
Um, I think, um I already heard

1241
00:38:08,389 --> 00:38:10,257
from multiple councilors as

1242
00:38:10,257 --> 00:38:11,525
well, of of having another

1243
00:38:11,525 --> 00:38:12,793
hearing usually an ordinance as

1244
00:38:12,793 --> 00:38:14,862
we have working sessions to

1245
00:38:14,862 --> 00:38:16,163
work on um, the language um and

1246
00:38:16,163 --> 00:38:17,431
that that is all something that

1247
00:38:17,431 --> 00:38:18,932
you know, I definitely want to

1248
00:38:18,932 --> 00:38:19,133
do as the lead sponsor.

1249
00:38:19,133 --> 00:38:20,670
Yeah.

1250
00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:21,201
>> thank you.

1251
00:38:21,201 --> 00:38:22,200
Thank you, councilor santana.

1252
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:22,636
I agree.

1253
00:38:22,636 --> 00:38:23,737
With you.

1254
00:38:23,737 --> 00:38:23,937
>> I want to make sure I get

1255
00:38:23,937 --> 00:38:24,805
this.

1256
00:38:24,805 --> 00:38:26,641
We get this right.

1257
00:38:26,641 --> 00:38:27,341
I was a security guard.

1258
00:38:27,341 --> 00:38:28,775
I know this.

1259
00:38:28,775 --> 00:38:30,811
Issue as well as anyone here.

1260
00:38:30,811 --> 00:38:32,680
I have the strongest record on

1261
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,948
the city council in support

1262
00:38:33,948 --> 00:38:35,682
of organized labor.

1263
00:38:35,682 --> 00:38:37,351
Then there's no one that has a

1264
00:38:37,351 --> 00:38:37,818
better record on the city

1265
00:38:37,818 --> 00:38:39,253
council than I do.

1266
00:38:39,253 --> 00:38:41,880
I want to get this done.

1267
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:41,755
Uh, but I want to get it done

1268
00:38:41,755 --> 00:38:43,591
the right way.

1269
00:38:43,591 --> 00:38:44,580
And the right way is making

1270
00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:46,580
sure we.

1271
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,950
Uh, do our due diligence.

1272
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:49,964
In ensuring all voices are.

1273
00:38:49,964 --> 00:38:50,697
Heard included.

1274
00:38:50,697 --> 00:38:51,980
>> and respected.

1275
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:51,832
Um.

1276
00:38:51,832 --> 00:38:53,667
>> thank you.

1277
00:38:53,667 --> 00:38:55,667
Thank you.

1278
00:38:56,303 --> 00:38:56,871
>> the chair recognizes, uh,

1279
00:38:56,871 --> 00:38:57,471
council PRESIDENT.

1280
00:38:57,471 --> 00:38:59,471
Liz breadon.

1281
00:39:00,410 --> 00:39:00,274
You have the floor and seven

1282
00:39:00,274 --> 00:39:01,108
minutes.

1283
00:39:01,108 --> 00:39:03,108
Thank you.

1284
00:39:03,744 --> 00:39:06,744
>> um, MADAM Chair, um, I'm

1285
00:39:06,847 --> 00:39:08,115
just, uh, again, I think I'm

1286
00:39:08,115 --> 00:39:10,515
familiarizing myself with this

1287
00:39:10,818 --> 00:39:13,321
this, uh this ordinance and

1288
00:39:13,321 --> 00:39:15,789
also looking at what other

1289
00:39:15,789 --> 00:39:17,391
standards other states have and

1290
00:39:17,391 --> 00:39:19,391
other other municipalities.

1291
00:39:20,828 --> 00:39:21,895
Uh, it says that, you know,

1292
00:39:21,895 --> 00:39:24,198
massachusetts does not enforce

1293
00:39:24,198 --> 00:39:26,300
a statewide minimum or mandate

1294
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:27,134
for an armed guard leaving

1295
00:39:27,134 --> 00:39:29,534
specific training standards up

1296
00:39:29,837 --> 00:39:31,205
to individual licensed uh

1297
00:39:31,205 --> 00:39:33,205
employers and municipalities.

1298
00:39:33,774 --> 00:39:35,242
Um, I think that leaves a lot

1299
00:39:35,242 --> 00:39:37,344
of wiggle room and doesn't

1300
00:39:37,344 --> 00:39:37,778
really establish a clear

1301
00:39:37,778 --> 00:39:39,778
standard.

1302
00:39:40,247 --> 00:39:43,317
Uh, by comparison I think uh,

1303
00:39:43,317 --> 00:39:44,818
carol, uh, california requires

1304
00:39:44,818 --> 00:39:46,860
40 hours of total training,

1305
00:39:46,860 --> 00:39:47,755
eight hours pre assignment to

1306
00:39:47,755 --> 00:39:49,857
on partial arrest plus eight 30

1307
00:39:49,857 --> 00:39:50,124
hours of general and elective

1308
00:39:50,124 --> 00:39:51,925
subjects.

1309
00:39:51,925 --> 00:39:53,193
New york mandated mandates

1310
00:39:53,193 --> 00:39:54,861
eight hours pre assignment

1311
00:39:54,861 --> 00:39:57,261
training followed by 16 hours

1312
00:39:57,564 --> 00:39:59,233
of on the job training uh

1313
00:39:59,233 --> 00:40:01,301
of course within the first 90

1314
00:40:01,301 --> 00:40:02,369
days north carolina requires a

1315
00:40:02,369 --> 00:40:04,370
minimum of 16 hours basic

1316
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:05,839
classroom covering legal

1317
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:06,674
issues, communications and

1318
00:40:06,674 --> 00:40:08,674
emergency response.

1319
00:40:10,344 --> 00:40:12,846
It seems like this uh ordinance

1320
00:40:12,846 --> 00:40:14,315
is is filling a gap and meets

1321
00:40:14,315 --> 00:40:14,748
the need for some standardized

1322
00:40:14,748 --> 00:40:16,748
training.

1323
00:40:17,417 --> 00:40:19,286
Uh, I also think that the issue

1324
00:40:19,286 --> 00:40:21,755
about economic mobility if you

1325
00:40:21,755 --> 00:40:23,657
have a uh a portable credential

1326
00:40:23,657 --> 00:40:25,926
that allows you to seek

1327
00:40:25,926 --> 00:40:27,795
employment elsewhere um, and

1328
00:40:27,795 --> 00:40:28,462
that's that is good a

1329
00:40:28,462 --> 00:40:29,530
credential that's well

1330
00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:29,797
respected and has good

1331
00:40:29,797 --> 00:40:31,797
standing.

1332
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:35,799
I think that's um that's really

1333
00:40:35,903 --> 00:40:37,971
critically important in terms

1334
00:40:37,971 --> 00:40:39,807
of um in terms of the terrain.

1335
00:40:39,807 --> 00:40:42,910
Just how do you why do we why

1336
00:40:42,910 --> 00:40:44,745
do we not have more in 2026?

1337
00:40:44,745 --> 00:40:47,415
Why do we not have a more

1338
00:40:47,415 --> 00:40:49,283
standard training for um,

1339
00:40:49,283 --> 00:40:49,750
unarmed security guards in

1340
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:51,385
massachusetts?

1341
00:40:51,385 --> 00:40:53,253
Is there any sort of history to

1342
00:40:53,253 --> 00:40:53,687
that or is it what's the

1343
00:40:53,687 --> 00:40:55,687
background?

1344
00:40:56,123 --> 00:40:58,225
Uh, MADAM PRESIDENT, I think I

1345
00:40:58,225 --> 00:40:59,493
mean what I would say is that,

1346
00:40:59,493 --> 00:41:00,761
uh, those kind of uniform

1347
00:41:00,761 --> 00:41:01,620
standards come from the state

1348
00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:03,620
government.

1349
00:41:03,464 --> 00:41:05,332
Uh, you know that sort of when

1350
00:41:05,332 --> 00:41:07,201
we want to make a uniform

1351
00:41:07,201 --> 00:41:08,669
policy across the 351 cities

1352
00:41:08,669 --> 00:41:09,937
and towns in the commonwealth,

1353
00:41:09,937 --> 00:41:10,304
it falls to the legislature to

1354
00:41:10,304 --> 00:41:11,939
do that.

1355
00:41:11,939 --> 00:41:12,205
You know, that hasn't happened

1356
00:41:12,205 --> 00:41:14,205
.

1357
00:41:14,242 --> 00:41:15,509
Um, I don't want to make that

1358
00:41:15,509 --> 00:41:17,177
sound like I'm blaming anybody,

1359
00:41:17,177 --> 00:41:18,712
but it hasn't happened.

1360
00:41:18,712 --> 00:41:20,181
Uh, the simple fact is as we

1361
00:41:20,181 --> 00:41:22,282
sit here and talk, we don't

1362
00:41:22,282 --> 00:41:24,951
have a uniform standard for

1363
00:41:24,951 --> 00:41:25,619
training these critical

1364
00:41:25,619 --> 00:41:27,454
frontline workers.

1365
00:41:27,454 --> 00:41:28,322
And so I think from our

1366
00:41:28,322 --> 00:41:29,623
standpoint that's the

1367
00:41:29,623 --> 00:41:30,891
circumstance where it falls to

1368
00:41:30,891 --> 00:41:32,259
local government that's closest

1369
00:41:32,259 --> 00:41:33,293
to the ground to do this work.

1370
00:41:33,293 --> 00:41:35,293
It hasn't happened.

1371
00:41:35,729 --> 00:41:36,564
So it falls to us to do it and

1372
00:41:36,564 --> 00:41:37,798
that's you and me.

1373
00:41:37,798 --> 00:41:38,632
Yeah that's us.

1374
00:41:38,632 --> 00:41:40,632
We're we're it.

1375
00:41:40,667 --> 00:41:42,667
Um.

1376
00:41:42,903 --> 00:41:44,571
>> in terms of the menu

1377
00:41:44,571 --> 00:41:45,472
of training skills I think this

1378
00:41:45,472 --> 00:41:47,307
might be a question for you.

1379
00:41:47,307 --> 00:41:49,376
What do you think has been the

1380
00:41:49,376 --> 00:41:51,478
most important skill set that

1381
00:41:51,478 --> 00:41:52,946
we want to ensure that there's

1382
00:41:52,946 --> 00:41:53,580
uniformity for all armed

1383
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:55,580
security guards?

1384
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,953
I think that's a question for

1385
00:41:59,953 --> 00:42:01,221
the frontline workers and the

1386
00:42:01,221 --> 00:42:02,856
employers who hire them.

1387
00:42:02,856 --> 00:42:04,325
But the list and the ordinance

1388
00:42:04,325 --> 00:42:07,325
has some really critical pieces

1389
00:42:07,928 --> 00:42:10,328
around de-escalation, um, and

1390
00:42:10,831 --> 00:42:11,698
uh, cpr and other health and

1391
00:42:11,698 --> 00:42:13,698
safety training.

1392
00:42:13,734 --> 00:42:15,100
Um, you know, the office that I

1393
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:16,690
lead, I always think it's

1394
00:42:16,690 --> 00:42:17,337
important that workers know and

1395
00:42:17,337 --> 00:42:19,406
understand their rights on the

1396
00:42:19,406 --> 00:42:19,673
job and that is part of the

1397
00:42:19,673 --> 00:42:21,673
training.

1398
00:42:21,875 --> 00:42:22,943
Uh, but again, the best

1399
00:42:22,943 --> 00:42:24,811
training programs are

1400
00:42:24,811 --> 00:42:27,114
created in consultation with

1401
00:42:27,114 --> 00:42:28,715
the frontline workers and the

1402
00:42:28,715 --> 00:42:28,949
people who are going to employ

1403
00:42:28,949 --> 00:42:30,884
them.

1404
00:42:30,884 --> 00:42:31,850
So I think that work is to be

1405
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:32,452
done.

1406
00:42:32,452 --> 00:42:34,555
But the list and the ordinance

1407
00:42:34,555 --> 00:42:37,424
certainly is a very good start

1408
00:42:37,424 --> 00:42:38,892
with important, important

1409
00:42:38,892 --> 00:42:41,892
skills and trainings that will

1410
00:42:41,995 --> 00:42:43,897
ensure that, um, unarmed guards

1411
00:42:43,897 --> 00:42:44,765
are safe and the people that

1412
00:42:44,765 --> 00:42:46,765
they protect also.

1413
00:42:46,801 --> 00:42:48,135
Um I think.

1414
00:42:48,135 --> 00:42:49,603
You know the whole issue on

1415
00:42:49,603 --> 00:42:51,271
de-escalation and communication

1416
00:42:51,271 --> 00:42:53,340
when there's conflict people

1417
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:55,800
get very feisty at times um,

1418
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:55,342
handling difficult public

1419
00:42:55,342 --> 00:42:57,111
interactions.

1420
00:42:57,111 --> 00:42:59,213
That's a particular skill set

1421
00:42:59,213 --> 00:43:01,150
that not everyone has.

1422
00:43:01,150 --> 00:43:03,116
So it's not about using brute

1423
00:43:03,116 --> 00:43:05,585
force to manage a situation.

1424
00:43:05,585 --> 00:43:07,985
It's about de-escalating and

1425
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:09,523
and uh handling situations

1426
00:43:09,523 --> 00:43:11,240
sensitively so that people feel

1427
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,693
heard and that the that they

1428
00:43:12,693 --> 00:43:14,828
don't ramp up their aggression

1429
00:43:14,828 --> 00:43:17,228
or whatever their displeasure.

1430
00:43:19,650 --> 00:43:20,534
Um uh under any particular and

1431
00:43:20,534 --> 00:43:22,402
like obviously I think this

1432
00:43:22,402 --> 00:43:24,710
will be refined and will be

1433
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:25,172
going to I am assuming will be

1434
00:43:25,172 --> 00:43:27,410
having working sessions on this

1435
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:27,908
and and I look forward to the

1436
00:43:27,908 --> 00:43:28,375
conversation with the next

1437
00:43:28,375 --> 00:43:30,375
panel.

1438
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Um, do you foresee any

1439
00:43:35,515 --> 00:43:37,915
particular challenges with um

1440
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:40,721
uh standing up this this this

1441
00:43:40,721 --> 00:43:42,990
standard going forward like

1442
00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:44,990
timelines, training

1443
00:43:45,692 --> 00:43:46,961
requirements, um, um any any

1444
00:43:46,961 --> 00:43:48,961
other particular challenges?

1445
00:43:48,995 --> 00:43:50,264
I think that we need a little

1446
00:43:50,264 --> 00:43:51,532
bit more time to do our due

1447
00:43:51,532 --> 00:43:53,133
diligence to come up with a

1448
00:43:53,133 --> 00:43:54,601
solid implementation plan

1449
00:43:54,601 --> 00:43:57,710
that's realistic based on the

1450
00:43:57,710 --> 00:43:57,638
capacity and we are already

1451
00:43:57,638 --> 00:43:59,720
starting to do that.

1452
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:00,374
Talk to our counterparts in

1453
00:44:00,374 --> 00:44:02,774
other cities and towns.

1454
00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:04,478
Um, but as a new department,

1455
00:44:04,478 --> 00:44:06,146
the office of labor compliance

1456
00:44:06,146 --> 00:44:06,980
has been tasked with

1457
00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:08,482
implementation of new

1458
00:44:08,482 --> 00:44:11,184
ordinances and um, we've been

1459
00:44:11,184 --> 00:44:12,652
able to take it from beginning

1460
00:44:12,652 --> 00:44:12,920
to end, including the heat

1461
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,920
ordinance.

1462
00:44:15,555 --> 00:44:16,390
And I feel confident that, um,

1463
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:18,790
we would be able.

1464
00:44:18,859 --> 00:44:20,127
To with enough time to do our

1465
00:44:20,127 --> 00:44:20,761
due diligence, come up with a

1466
00:44:20,761 --> 00:44:21,595
plan for.

1467
00:44:21,595 --> 00:44:21,995
This as well.

1468
00:44:21,995 --> 00:44:23,995
Yeah.

1469
00:44:24,265 --> 00:44:25,532
And I think the partnership

1470
00:44:25,532 --> 00:44:27,601
with our union colleagues are

1471
00:44:27,601 --> 00:44:29,690
going to be really critical in

1472
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:31,138
managing the putting this

1473
00:44:31,138 --> 00:44:33,600
together and developing a

1474
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,740
workable plan and also the the

1475
00:44:34,740 --> 00:44:36,474
actual subject matter that

1476
00:44:37,177 --> 00:44:37,411
folks are going to need to be

1477
00:44:37,411 --> 00:44:39,411
skilled.

1478
00:44:40,881 --> 00:44:41,949
Um and I feel and it's more

1479
00:44:41,949 --> 00:44:42,382
of a statement rather than a

1480
00:44:42,382 --> 00:44:44,382
question.

1481
00:44:45,652 --> 00:44:47,721
Um having well-trained staff

1482
00:44:47,721 --> 00:44:50,721
who are confident in their

1483
00:44:51,825 --> 00:44:53,293
skills uh, is safety in itself

1484
00:44:53,293 --> 00:44:55,796
like I think they they generate

1485
00:44:55,796 --> 00:44:58,640
are they manifest like

1486
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,933
confidence and um they're

1487
00:44:59,933 --> 00:45:00,968
nobody it's it's not about.

1488
00:45:00,968 --> 00:45:02,968
Brute force.

1489
00:45:03,604 --> 00:45:04,905
It's about being able to manage

1490
00:45:04,905 --> 00:45:06,373
situations complex situations

1491
00:45:06,373 --> 00:45:09,373
that can change very quickly.

1492
00:45:10,244 --> 00:45:12,112
Um are there any other issues

1493
00:45:12,112 --> 00:45:13,380
or concerns that you have in

1494
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:14,415
relation to how this might.

1495
00:45:14,415 --> 00:45:16,415
Be viewed.

1496
00:45:17,284 --> 00:45:18,752
More generally in the broader

1497
00:45:18,752 --> 00:45:20,200
um environment in terms

1498
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,420
of other businesses etc.?

1499
00:45:24,124 --> 00:45:27,194
No, I think I, I really look

1500
00:45:27,194 --> 00:45:29,950
forward to creating um an

1501
00:45:29,950 --> 00:45:30,764
opportunity to fill a gap

1502
00:45:30,764 --> 00:45:33,764
that's really needed and to

1503
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:35,735
ensuring that we are providing

1504
00:45:35,735 --> 00:45:37,171
um, a workforce which is

1505
00:45:37,171 --> 00:45:37,838
increasingly part of our public

1506
00:45:37,838 --> 00:45:39,838
safety.

1507
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:43,977
Ecosystem the skills they need

1508
00:45:43,977 --> 00:45:46,790
while at the same time um

1509
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:47,147
giving them portable

1510
00:45:47,147 --> 00:45:49,547
credentials earned and learning

1511
00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:51,118
opportunities and career

1512
00:45:51,118 --> 00:45:51,952
advancement opportunities and

1513
00:45:51,952 --> 00:45:53,952
mobility opportunities.

1514
00:45:54,621 --> 00:45:55,689
I think this this provides an

1515
00:45:55,689 --> 00:45:56,923
opportunity to do two of the

1516
00:45:56,923 --> 00:45:57,757
two things at once with that.

1517
00:45:57,757 --> 00:45:58,859
But in that.

1518
00:45:58,859 --> 00:45:59,393
Regard very good.

1519
00:45:59,393 --> 00:46:00,394
Thank you.

1520
00:46:00,394 --> 00:46:01,428
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

1521
00:46:01,428 --> 00:46:02,362
Thank you.

1522
00:46:02,362 --> 00:46:02,596
Uh, council PRESIDENT Breeden

1523
00:46:02,596 --> 00:46:04,230
um.

1524
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:05,499
And thank you everyone for

1525
00:46:05,499 --> 00:46:06,700
doing so great on time.

1526
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:08,335
Um.

1527
00:46:08,335 --> 00:46:10,203
We have also been joined by

1528
00:46:10,203 --> 00:46:10,737
councilors ben weber and

1529
00:46:10,737 --> 00:46:12,505
councilor and councilor.

1530
00:46:12,505 --> 00:46:13,740
Reverend maynard culpeper.

1531
00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:15,342
Uh, next.

1532
00:46:15,342 --> 00:46:16,476
We have.

1533
00:46:16,476 --> 00:46:17,177
Councilor sharon durkan.

1534
00:46:17,177 --> 00:46:17,744
Councilor durkan.

1535
00:46:17,744 --> 00:46:18,311
>> you have.

1536
00:46:18,311 --> 00:46:18,612
>> the floor.

1537
00:46:18,612 --> 00:46:19,346
Thank you.

1538
00:46:19,346 --> 00:46:20,647
>> and seven minutes.

1539
00:46:20,647 --> 00:46:23,470
Thank you, councilor louijeune.

1540
00:46:25,285 --> 00:46:26,453
Um, so, uh, obviously as a city

1541
00:46:26,453 --> 00:46:28,853
councilor we're often, you

1542
00:46:29,356 --> 00:46:31,358
know, diving into issues that

1543
00:46:31,358 --> 00:46:33,627
require a ton of intricacies

1544
00:46:33,627 --> 00:46:36,264
and you know, but often.

1545
00:46:36,264 --> 00:46:39,165
We are we are figuring out the

1546
00:46:39,165 --> 00:46:41,680
intricacies and like the uh,

1547
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:41,701
confines of an issue as we're

1548
00:46:41,701 --> 00:46:43,701
debating it.

1549
00:46:45,339 --> 00:46:46,840
So, um so I want to just say

1550
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,708
thanks to the sponsors for

1551
00:46:48,708 --> 00:46:50,944
their work, uh, on this issue.

1552
00:46:50,944 --> 00:46:52,412
It's not an issue that I know a

1553
00:46:52,412 --> 00:46:52,879
ton about other than the calls

1554
00:46:52,879 --> 00:46:54,879
I've received.

1555
00:46:55,916 --> 00:46:57,818
Uh, regarding um, you know,

1556
00:46:57,818 --> 00:46:59,486
just folks and industry in our

1557
00:46:59,486 --> 00:47:02,486
district just trying to figure

1558
00:47:02,589 --> 00:47:03,891
out exactly what this would do

1559
00:47:03,891 --> 00:47:04,691
and exactly who it.

1560
00:47:04,691 --> 00:47:06,691
Applies to.

1561
00:47:06,927 --> 00:47:08,195
Um, one issue I see with the

1562
00:47:08,195 --> 00:47:11,195
way that this is currently

1563
00:47:11,698 --> 00:47:13,467
drafted is that 1722 is the

1564
00:47:13,467 --> 00:47:14,768
road safety and accountability

1565
00:47:14,768 --> 00:47:15,201
for third party delivery

1566
00:47:15,201 --> 00:47:16,603
drivers ordinance.

1567
00:47:16,603 --> 00:47:17,871
So I think that we should

1568
00:47:17,871 --> 00:47:18,739
create a new section in the

1569
00:47:18,739 --> 00:47:19,390
city code.

1570
00:47:19,390 --> 00:47:20,808
Uh.

1571
00:47:20,808 --> 00:47:24,408
>> if this were to go into

1572
00:47:26,146 --> 00:47:28,448
effect, um I do think that the

1573
00:47:28,448 --> 00:47:29,716
way that I've heard from some

1574
00:47:29,716 --> 00:47:31,184
of these security companies is

1575
00:47:31,184 --> 00:47:33,530
they think that their training

1576
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:35,121
is their secret sauce like it's

1577
00:47:35,121 --> 00:47:36,390
the type of work that they do

1578
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:38,659
and there are a lot

1579
00:47:38,659 --> 00:47:40,327
of different settings that um

1580
00:47:40,327 --> 00:47:42,829
that the security guards are

1581
00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:44,980
are in um particularly with

1582
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:45,365
hospitals it might require a

1583
00:47:45,365 --> 00:47:46,666
different training than

1584
00:47:46,666 --> 00:47:49,503
guarding a door at a concert.

1585
00:47:49,503 --> 00:47:50,971
Um, so can you speak to that

1586
00:47:50,971 --> 00:47:52,439
from the city's perspective

1587
00:47:52,439 --> 00:47:53,707
of the different settings that

1588
00:47:53,707 --> 00:47:55,976
private security officers might

1589
00:47:55,976 --> 00:47:57,677
be in and if there were to be a

1590
00:47:57,677 --> 00:47:58,945
training establish how you

1591
00:47:58,945 --> 00:47:59,179
would get at those intricacies

1592
00:47:59,179 --> 00:48:01,179
?

1593
00:48:01,214 --> 00:48:02,582
Yeah.

1594
00:48:02,582 --> 00:48:04,651
>> I think this ordinance sets

1595
00:48:04,651 --> 00:48:07,354
us sets a baseline so that

1596
00:48:07,354 --> 00:48:07,788
there are different kinds

1597
00:48:07,788 --> 00:48:09,788
of settings.

1598
00:48:09,823 --> 00:48:11,725
Hospitals would be certainly

1599
00:48:11,725 --> 00:48:13,794
different than um, a setting

1600
00:48:13,794 --> 00:48:15,462
out a front desk of a major

1601
00:48:15,462 --> 00:48:15,729
office building or things like

1602
00:48:15,729 --> 00:48:17,729
that.

1603
00:48:17,965 --> 00:48:19,833
Um, but what this seeks to do

1604
00:48:19,833 --> 00:48:23,336
is create a baseline so that

1605
00:48:23,336 --> 00:48:25,805
all guards have um guards have

1606
00:48:25,805 --> 00:48:28,805
some basic level of training.

1607
00:48:30,877 --> 00:48:32,379
It's set out 40 hours um which

1608
00:48:32,379 --> 00:48:34,447
um on the surface seems

1609
00:48:34,447 --> 00:48:35,916
reasonable to me but that is um

1610
00:48:35,916 --> 00:48:37,384
I would want to have additional

1611
00:48:37,384 --> 00:48:37,851
conversations as we move

1612
00:48:37,851 --> 00:48:39,851
forward.

1613
00:48:39,886 --> 00:48:41,154
Um, to understand what is the

1614
00:48:41,154 --> 00:48:42,823
baseline versus what is that

1615
00:48:42,823 --> 00:48:44,491
extra on top piece that might

1616
00:48:44,491 --> 00:48:44,758
be necessary from side to side

1617
00:48:44,758 --> 00:48:46,526
?

1618
00:48:46,526 --> 00:48:48,926
>> and regarding the 40 hours

1619
00:48:49,429 --> 00:48:51,970
of initial training I, I mean

1620
00:48:51,970 --> 00:48:52,966
that sounds like on the face

1621
00:48:52,966 --> 00:48:55,350
like a reasonable amount

1622
00:48:55,350 --> 00:48:56,103
of hours but um, having talked

1623
00:48:56,103 --> 00:48:57,370
to some of these security

1624
00:48:57,370 --> 00:48:59,390
companies there's a lot of part

1625
00:48:59,390 --> 00:49:00,674
time workers.

1626
00:49:00,674 --> 00:49:02,342
Um, a lot of people who do

1627
00:49:02,342 --> 00:49:03,744
private security are our lowest

1628
00:49:03,744 --> 00:49:04,377
income workers, people who do

1629
00:49:04,377 --> 00:49:06,460
it part time.

1630
00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:08,715
They need that revenue in their

1631
00:49:08,715 --> 00:49:11,115
lives for their families.

1632
00:49:11,785 --> 00:49:13,453
Um, and so I think it's really

1633
00:49:13,453 --> 00:49:15,853
important that this ordinance,

1634
00:49:18,391 --> 00:49:18,658
um, puts the uh cost on the

1635
00:49:18,658 --> 00:49:20,658
employer.

1636
00:49:21,461 --> 00:49:23,563
But one concern I have is that,

1637
00:49:23,563 --> 00:49:24,865
uh, you know, if you if you

1638
00:49:24,865 --> 00:49:26,533
move like we were talking about

1639
00:49:26,533 --> 00:49:28,401
from employer to employer, um,

1640
00:49:28,401 --> 00:49:30,103
there's not something right now

1641
00:49:30,103 --> 00:49:31,972
having read through um, in this

1642
00:49:31,972 --> 00:49:33,440
ordinance it says if you have a

1643
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,908
training and you've been

1644
00:49:34,908 --> 00:49:36,410
trained, you know, you have

1645
00:49:36,410 --> 00:49:38,678
this training for a year and

1646
00:49:38,678 --> 00:49:39,746
then it sounds like you're it

1647
00:49:39,746 --> 00:49:40,847
sounds like there's a little

1648
00:49:40,847 --> 00:49:41,281
bit of ambiguity in the current

1649
00:49:41,281 --> 00:49:43,281
text.

1650
00:49:43,316 --> 00:49:44,985
uh, that would essentially

1651
00:49:44,985 --> 00:49:45,852
you'd have to be retrained when

1652
00:49:45,852 --> 00:49:47,287
you joined a new.

1653
00:49:47,287 --> 00:49:48,255
Uh.

1654
00:49:48,255 --> 00:49:50,157
>> security company.

1655
00:49:50,157 --> 00:49:53,757
Uh, and I think that there's

1656
00:49:53,860 --> 00:49:55,228
kind of lacks the nuances of,

1657
00:49:55,228 --> 00:49:55,462
you know, people living their

1658
00:49:55,462 --> 00:49:57,462
lives.

1659
00:49:57,531 --> 00:50:00,000
You know, when we get ethics

1660
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,670
trained, you know, we have that

1661
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:03,467
certification for a certain

1662
00:50:03,837 --> 00:50:04,604
period of time and um, and you

1663
00:50:04,604 --> 00:50:05,472
know, we do trainings

1664
00:50:05,472 --> 00:50:07,374
throughout the city for

1665
00:50:07,374 --> 00:50:10,430
different issues, you know, um,

1666
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:12,112
and so I think you should have

1667
00:50:12,112 --> 00:50:14,414
a certificate and a certificate

1668
00:50:14,414 --> 00:50:15,281
should, you know, carry you to

1669
00:50:15,281 --> 00:50:17,281
any employer.

1670
00:50:19,753 --> 00:50:21,621
Um I also have concerns um, I

1671
00:50:21,621 --> 00:50:23,490
not necessarily about it being

1672
00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:26,193
in person but I do think we

1673
00:50:26,193 --> 00:50:29,193
absolutely need to talk you

1674
00:50:29,696 --> 00:50:31,564
know, talk to employers and

1675
00:50:31,564 --> 00:50:33,667
understand the nuances of these

1676
00:50:33,667 --> 00:50:34,835
people's lives because uh, I

1677
00:50:34,835 --> 00:50:36,303
mean, in the city of boston a

1678
00:50:36,303 --> 00:50:38,772
lot of people work from home.

1679
00:50:38,772 --> 00:50:40,640
Um, you know, and so asking

1680
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,709
people to go to a specific

1681
00:50:42,709 --> 00:50:43,510
site, um, you know, where is

1682
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:44,911
their transportation covered?

1683
00:50:44,911 --> 00:50:46,146
Where do they live?

1684
00:50:46,146 --> 00:50:47,814
There's there's so many

1685
00:50:47,814 --> 00:50:50,484
questions I have about kind

1686
00:50:50,484 --> 00:50:52,586
of the burden on low income

1687
00:50:52,586 --> 00:50:54,855
workers to get to trainings in

1688
00:50:54,855 --> 00:50:56,323
person and um, depending on

1689
00:50:56,323 --> 00:50:58,723
where they are located.

1690
00:50:58,992 --> 00:51:00,460
Um, I understand the point

1691
00:51:00,460 --> 00:51:01,928
of this ordinance and I

1692
00:51:01,928 --> 00:51:03,597
understand potentially the

1693
00:51:03,597 --> 00:51:03,864
issue that it's trying to solve

1694
00:51:03,864 --> 00:51:05,864
.

1695
00:51:07,301 --> 00:51:09,200
But um, I do think that the

1696
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,700
data in effect does not give

1697
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:10,904
enough time for these programs

1698
00:51:10,904 --> 00:51:12,904
to be developed.

1699
00:51:15,609 --> 00:51:17,277
I'm definitely concerned, um,

1700
00:51:17,277 --> 00:51:18,311
about how this MAY conflict

1701
00:51:18,311 --> 00:51:20,311
with state law.

1702
00:51:22,182 --> 00:51:23,283
Um, and I understand um, the

1703
00:51:23,283 --> 00:51:24,584
framework that we're working

1704
00:51:24,584 --> 00:51:25,852
with in because this framework

1705
00:51:25,852 --> 00:51:26,486
was used for the third party

1706
00:51:26,486 --> 00:51:28,486
delivery ordinance.

1707
00:51:29,122 --> 00:51:30,623
Um, so I understand that piece

1708
00:51:30,623 --> 00:51:32,580
of this I do think it's

1709
00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:34,458
important that these are

1710
00:51:34,961 --> 00:51:36,290
different issues and um and I

1711
00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:39,290
think it requires some nuance.

1712
00:51:39,266 --> 00:51:40,734
Um, obviously like you, I

1713
00:51:40,734 --> 00:51:41,100
haven't had a ton of time to

1714
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,100
digest.

1715
00:51:44,672 --> 00:51:47,140
Uh, but I know that there are a

1716
00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:49,843
lot of different types of, uh,

1717
00:51:49,843 --> 00:51:51,311
security training that people

1718
00:51:51,311 --> 00:51:52,379
are currently and frameworks

1719
00:51:52,379 --> 00:51:53,446
that they're operating within

1720
00:51:53,446 --> 00:51:55,281
within their businesses.

1721
00:51:55,281 --> 00:51:57,551
And I think that does need to

1722
00:51:57,551 --> 00:51:59,986
be sort of infused here.

1723
00:51:59,986 --> 00:52:01,254
Um, because one concern that

1724
00:52:01,254 --> 00:52:03,156
I've gotten from institutions

1725
00:52:03,156 --> 00:52:06,660
in my district is that there is

1726
00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:08,328
this um, idea that based based

1727
00:52:08,328 --> 00:52:09,195
on their reading and this could

1728
00:52:09,195 --> 00:52:11,195
be untrue.

1729
00:52:11,632 --> 00:52:13,934
They want to offer like, uh,

1730
00:52:13,934 --> 00:52:16,334
special training to their

1731
00:52:16,803 --> 00:52:18,671
specific site, um, and and the

1732
00:52:18,671 --> 00:52:21,374
specific confines of like the

1733
00:52:21,374 --> 00:52:23,443
security of of where people are

1734
00:52:23,443 --> 00:52:25,111
protecting and they feel like

1735
00:52:25,111 --> 00:52:28,415
the way that this is written is

1736
00:52:28,415 --> 00:52:29,916
a little too stringent about

1737
00:52:29,916 --> 00:52:31,184
but I don't think that's the

1738
00:52:31,184 --> 00:52:32,180
intent and I do think this

1739
00:52:32,180 --> 00:52:34,287
could be worked through.

1740
00:52:34,287 --> 00:52:35,955
Um, I just think it's really

1741
00:52:35,955 --> 00:52:38,240
important that we talk about

1742
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,327
those nuances because I

1743
00:52:40,327 --> 00:52:42,195
wouldn't want to vote for

1744
00:52:42,195 --> 00:52:42,662
something that I think still

1745
00:52:42,662 --> 00:52:44,662
needed work.

1746
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:47,667
And I do think that as a um,

1747
00:52:47,667 --> 00:52:49,169
city councilor that represents

1748
00:52:49,169 --> 00:52:52,439
a lot of places that are

1749
00:52:52,439 --> 00:52:54,307
targets um having based it

1750
00:52:54,307 --> 00:52:56,210
sounds great to have like

1751
00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:58,780
baseline security and to

1752
00:52:58,780 --> 00:53:00,780
protect against threats.

1753
00:53:00,113 --> 00:53:01,381
Um but I you know, there's a

1754
00:53:01,381 --> 00:53:02,949
lot of different stakeholders

1755
00:53:02,949 --> 00:53:06,453
that I would want to bring into

1756
00:53:06,453 --> 00:53:08,721
that and I think that uh,

1757
00:53:08,721 --> 00:53:09,589
security in my district is like

1758
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:12,589
of utmost importance to me.

1759
00:53:12,959 --> 00:53:15,461
Um, and I just want to um first

1760
00:53:15,461 --> 00:53:16,960
armor who works in mission main

1761
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,960
right now.

1762
00:53:18,365 --> 00:53:19,432
Um, they've they've brought up

1763
00:53:19,432 --> 00:53:19,666
to me we had a security

1764
00:53:19,666 --> 00:53:21,670
meeting.

1765
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:21,335
There was a shooting on JULY

1766
00:53:21,335 --> 00:53:23,335
5th.

1767
00:53:24,171 --> 00:53:25,839
Um, they've brought up to me a

1768
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:27,307
lot of disrespect that they've

1769
00:53:27,307 --> 00:53:28,775
received recently from

1770
00:53:28,775 --> 00:53:31,478
residents and from folks that

1771
00:53:31,478 --> 00:53:32,679
work within um, and so I.

1772
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:33,947
Don't think we're getting at

1773
00:53:33,947 --> 00:53:35,448
all the nuances of what private

1774
00:53:35,448 --> 00:53:36,716
security are dealing with right

1775
00:53:36,716 --> 00:53:39,116
now within this ordinance.

1776
00:53:39,152 --> 00:53:40,621
Um, and understanding that like

1777
00:53:40,621 --> 00:53:42,289
the top issue I'm hearing from

1778
00:53:42,289 --> 00:53:43,356
private security is the

1779
00:53:43,356 --> 00:53:45,250
disrespect that they're facing

1780
00:53:45,250 --> 00:53:47,294
when they are unarmed.

1781
00:53:47,294 --> 00:53:48,761
And so I don't know that an

1782
00:53:48,761 --> 00:53:50,230
ordinance can fix that, but

1783
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:51,898
that that's the top security

1784
00:53:51,898 --> 00:53:53,366
issue I'm hearing about

1785
00:53:53,366 --> 00:53:55,350
regarding private security, um

1786
00:53:55,350 --> 00:53:56,202
,in my district.

1787
00:53:56,202 --> 00:53:56,836
So thank you to the chair.

1788
00:53:56,836 --> 00:53:57,604
Thank you councilor derek in

1789
00:53:57,604 --> 00:53:58,238
the chair and this council for

1790
00:53:58,238 --> 00:53:58,605
cheryl to have the floor and

1791
00:53:58,605 --> 00:53:59,640
seven minutes.

1792
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,400
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

1793
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:03,176
Um, as always, I support a

1794
00:54:03,176 --> 00:54:04,611
worker's right to unionize.

1795
00:54:04,611 --> 00:54:05,779
Uh, and standards are always

1796
00:54:05,779 --> 00:54:06,646
good to have to both, uh,

1797
00:54:06,646 --> 00:54:07,130
measure and ensure

1798
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:08,150
accountability.

1799
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:09,549
Uh, with.

1800
00:54:09,549 --> 00:54:10,717
>> that some basic questions.

1801
00:54:10,717 --> 00:54:11,986
Do we know how many jobs does

1802
00:54:11,986 --> 00:54:12,286
this training cover if

1803
00:54:12,286 --> 00:54:13,487
implemented?

1804
00:54:13,487 --> 00:54:14,955
Do we know how many actual

1805
00:54:14,955 --> 00:54:16,323
security guards are out there

1806
00:54:16,323 --> 00:54:18,558
that this would, uh, impact?

1807
00:54:18,558 --> 00:54:19,859
I have not done that analysis

1808
00:54:19,859 --> 00:54:20,627
yet but we could get that the

1809
00:54:20,627 --> 00:54:20,794
answer to that question for

1810
00:54:20,794 --> 00:54:21,394
you.

1811
00:54:21,394 --> 00:54:23,229
Thank you.

1812
00:54:23,229 --> 00:54:25,980
Um, and who pays for it?

1813
00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:25,732
I think I know, but I just want

1814
00:54:25,732 --> 00:54:26,433
to say for.

1815
00:54:26,433 --> 00:54:27,000
>> the training.

1816
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,635
The employers.

1817
00:54:28,635 --> 00:54:29,703
The employers of each

1818
00:54:29,703 --> 00:54:29,970
individual got whoever they're

1819
00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:30,370
with.

1820
00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:32,370
Right.

1821
00:54:32,805 --> 00:54:33,406
Um, is current training.

1822
00:54:33,406 --> 00:54:34,474
Uh.

1823
00:54:34,474 --> 00:54:35,942
>> by those companies that own

1824
00:54:35,942 --> 00:54:37,444
a company by company basis or

1825
00:54:37,444 --> 00:54:38,845
is it by sight etc..

1826
00:54:38,845 --> 00:54:40,680
Uh and what.

1827
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,183
Standards do they base their

1828
00:54:43,183 --> 00:54:43,417
training off of if any at the

1829
00:54:43,417 --> 00:54:45,417
moment?

1830
00:54:45,652 --> 00:54:45,919
At the moment there are no

1831
00:54:45,919 --> 00:54:47,721
standards.

1832
00:54:47,721 --> 00:54:49,589
It's my understanding that

1833
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:51,570
they're each company does some

1834
00:54:51,570 --> 00:54:52,525
level of baseline training and

1835
00:54:52,525 --> 00:54:54,627
then depending upon the site

1836
00:54:54,627 --> 00:54:56,296
that they are assigned to there

1837
00:54:56,296 --> 00:54:57,765
MAY or MAY not be additional

1838
00:54:57,765 --> 00:55:01,670
training and it can be as

1839
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:01,534
little as from what I've seen

1840
00:55:01,534 --> 00:55:03,534
eight hours.

1841
00:55:04,404 --> 00:55:05,438
Um but then additional training

1842
00:55:05,438 --> 00:55:06,873
MAY happen on site.

1843
00:55:06,873 --> 00:55:07,941
But there's nothing that the

1844
00:55:07,941 --> 00:55:10,243
local, state or federal level

1845
00:55:10,243 --> 00:55:10,543
that holds them to any sort

1846
00:55:10,543 --> 00:55:11,177
of standard.

1847
00:55:11,177 --> 00:55:11,711
>> at the moment.

1848
00:55:11,711 --> 00:55:12,912
That is correct for.

1849
00:55:12,912 --> 00:55:13,146
Unarmed yards.

1850
00:55:13,146 --> 00:55:14,347
great.

1851
00:55:14,347 --> 00:55:15,348
>> thank you.

1852
00:55:15,348 --> 00:55:17,348
Um.

1853
00:55:17,751 --> 00:55:18,518
>> what are we worried about?

1854
00:55:18,518 --> 00:55:19,953
What is this.

1855
00:55:19,953 --> 00:55:22,255
That the training that they

1856
00:55:22,255 --> 00:55:23,890
would be put into if we have a

1857
00:55:23,890 --> 00:55:24,557
standard what is it

1858
00:55:24,557 --> 00:55:26,192
specifically there to address?

1859
00:55:26,192 --> 00:55:27,600
What is the problem that it's

1860
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,600
trying to solve?

1861
00:55:30,296 --> 00:55:31,498
I think the next panel will

1862
00:55:31,498 --> 00:55:32,565
give a lot more detail if you

1863
00:55:32,565 --> 00:55:33,833
want to hear from frontline

1864
00:55:33,833 --> 00:55:36,503
workers first and foremost, but

1865
00:55:36,503 --> 00:55:38,571
I believe that unarmed workers

1866
00:55:38,571 --> 00:55:41,571
are increasingly part of our

1867
00:55:41,675 --> 00:55:44,178
public safety ecosystem and are

1868
00:55:44,178 --> 00:55:46,578
consistently put in positions

1869
00:55:47,470 --> 00:55:49,249
of um where they're dealing

1870
00:55:49,249 --> 00:55:51,249
with aggressive confrontations,

1871
00:55:51,751 --> 00:55:54,221
medical issues that they are

1872
00:55:54,221 --> 00:55:55,689
not necessarily receiving the

1873
00:55:55,689 --> 00:55:56,790
proper training to keep

1874
00:55:56,790 --> 00:55:57,230
themselves in the public sector

1875
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:59,230
.

1876
00:55:59,590 --> 00:56:01,127
So it's fair to say just all

1877
00:56:01,127 --> 00:56:02,395
around general increase in

1878
00:56:02,395 --> 00:56:04,497
certain behaviors that need to

1879
00:56:04,497 --> 00:56:05,965
be trained for now rather than

1880
00:56:05,965 --> 00:56:07,834
any specific.

1881
00:56:07,834 --> 00:56:08,670
And playing an increasing role

1882
00:56:08,670 --> 00:56:08,601
.

1883
00:56:08,601 --> 00:56:09,535
>> yeah.

1884
00:56:09,535 --> 00:56:09,736
Fair enough.

1885
00:56:09,736 --> 00:56:10,336
Great.

1886
00:56:10,336 --> 00:56:12,336
Thank you.

1887
00:56:14,207 --> 00:56:15,475
Um kind of in the weeds here

1888
00:56:15,475 --> 00:56:16,743
but I know what the ordinance

1889
00:56:16,743 --> 00:56:18,411
asks for if they employ more

1890
00:56:18,411 --> 00:56:19,913
than two security guards that

1891
00:56:19,913 --> 00:56:22,313
are within city limits.

1892
00:56:22,348 --> 00:56:25,452
So say I'm company x and I have

1893
00:56:25,452 --> 00:56:27,320
20 security guards, 18 are out

1894
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:27,787
in western mass but two are in

1895
00:56:27,787 --> 00:56:28,788
the city.

1896
00:56:28,788 --> 00:56:30,230
Does the training.

1897
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:31,591
Apply to all 20.

1898
00:56:31,591 --> 00:56:32,860
>> or just the two within the

1899
00:56:32,860 --> 00:56:33,927
city or I understand if they

1900
00:56:33,927 --> 00:56:34,294
rotate and it makes it

1901
00:56:34,294 --> 00:56:36,294
different right.

1902
00:56:36,529 --> 00:56:37,397
But is it for anyone that is in

1903
00:56:37,397 --> 00:56:38,531
the city?

1904
00:56:38,531 --> 00:56:39,199
Does it uh automatically touch

1905
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:41,199
the entire company?

1906
00:56:43,690 --> 00:56:44,537
The ordinance would apply to

1907
00:56:44,537 --> 00:56:46,773
workers in the city of boston.

1908
00:56:46,773 --> 00:56:47,641
Um, so I believe it's just

1909
00:56:47,641 --> 00:56:48,841
those two.

1910
00:56:48,841 --> 00:56:50,276
But I do want to have a little

1911
00:56:50,276 --> 00:56:50,911
bit more time to go through in

1912
00:56:50,911 --> 00:56:52,911
more detail.

1913
00:56:53,179 --> 00:56:54,247
And you have the number of uh,

1914
00:56:54,247 --> 00:56:55,810
workers in boston who are.

1915
00:56:55,810 --> 00:56:57,810
9000.

1916
00:56:57,830 --> 00:56:57,317
>> 9000 and I'm security

1917
00:56:57,317 --> 00:56:58,510
guards.

1918
00:56:58,510 --> 00:56:59,686
Thank you.

1919
00:56:59,686 --> 00:57:01,686
Um.

1920
00:57:02,121 --> 00:57:02,856
Who was I?

1921
00:57:02,856 --> 00:57:03,857
My next one.

1922
00:57:03,857 --> 00:57:04,591
Um.

1923
00:57:04,591 --> 00:57:06,591
>> oh, so.

1924
00:57:06,626 --> 00:57:08,626
Rule 400.

1925
00:57:08,695 --> 00:57:11,950
>> was repealed several years

1926
00:57:12,632 --> 00:57:14,301
ago now, uh, and I believe that

1927
00:57:14,301 --> 00:57:15,969
created the unarmed security

1928
00:57:15,969 --> 00:57:16,569
guard in a way because they

1929
00:57:16,569 --> 00:57:16,803
weren't allowed to have

1930
00:57:16,803 --> 00:57:18,803
weapons.

1931
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:21,108
Is this end result is this in

1932
00:57:21,108 --> 00:57:23,409
response to rule 400 going away

1933
00:57:23,409 --> 00:57:24,770
and the need to bring back more

1934
00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:25,511
training for that?

1935
00:57:25,511 --> 00:57:26,579
I know they can't still they

1936
00:57:26,579 --> 00:57:28,979
are not armed guards.

1937
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:30,483
Um but I know that in dealing

1938
00:57:30,483 --> 00:57:31,951
with taking care of property

1939
00:57:31,951 --> 00:57:33,951
with munis etc..

1940
00:57:34,187 --> 00:57:35,288
Uh they didn't have that they

1941
00:57:35,288 --> 00:57:36,756
could not actually put their

1942
00:57:36,756 --> 00:57:38,424
hands on individuals to remove

1943
00:57:38,424 --> 00:57:39,920
them from science because

1944
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:39,526
of rule 400.

1945
00:57:39,526 --> 00:57:40,861
.

1946
00:57:40,861 --> 00:57:42,620
>> to the best of my knowledge

1947
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:42,228
the answer to that question is

1948
00:57:42,228 --> 00:57:43,730
no.

1949
00:57:43,730 --> 00:57:45,198
I think these problems have uh,

1950
00:57:45,198 --> 00:57:46,666
bedeviled this industry for a

1951
00:57:46,666 --> 00:57:48,769
lot longer than the repeal

1952
00:57:48,769 --> 00:57:49,602
of rule 400 and I think this is

1953
00:57:49,602 --> 00:57:51,838
a long time coming.

1954
00:57:51,838 --> 00:57:53,106
So I don't think the two are,

1955
00:57:53,106 --> 00:57:53,506
uh, directly connected.

1956
00:57:53,506 --> 00:57:55,506
Okay.

1957
00:57:55,775 --> 00:57:57,430
>> and is there anything in the

1958
00:57:57,430 --> 00:58:00,643
training that we would seek for

1959
00:58:01,347 --> 00:58:03,249
them to get does not um, put

1960
00:58:03,249 --> 00:58:04,317
back anything that was taken

1961
00:58:04,317 --> 00:58:06,317
away with that.

1962
00:58:06,553 --> 00:58:07,821
Repeal here again here again

1963
00:58:07,821 --> 00:58:09,122
council the trouble is we've

1964
00:58:09,122 --> 00:58:10,390
got a baseline here that's in

1965
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:11,224
the draft ordinance that's in

1966
00:58:11,224 --> 00:58:11,991
front of us and we're talking.

1967
00:58:11,991 --> 00:58:13,827
>> to you about.

1968
00:58:13,827 --> 00:58:15,128
Building above the baseline and

1969
00:58:15,128 --> 00:58:16,529
what's in it and what we do and

1970
00:58:16,529 --> 00:58:17,731
how we do it is still to come.

1971
00:58:17,731 --> 00:58:19,731
Fair enough.

1972
00:58:21,401 --> 00:58:23,670
Um, you say you've talked with

1973
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:24,537
uh, philadelphia they have

1974
00:58:24,537 --> 00:58:26,172
implemented this.

1975
00:58:26,172 --> 00:58:27,641
We have reached out to them and

1976
00:58:27,641 --> 00:58:29,242
we found the correct they are

1977
00:58:29,242 --> 00:58:30,710
working on implementation now

1978
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:31,945
and they're totally looking

1979
00:58:31,945 --> 00:58:33,646
forward to sharing with us what

1980
00:58:33,646 --> 00:58:35,515
they've learned and um,

1981
00:58:35,515 --> 00:58:36,583
allowing us to learn from from

1982
00:58:36,583 --> 00:58:36,916
what worked well didn't work

1983
00:58:36,916 --> 00:58:38,184
well there.

1984
00:58:38,184 --> 00:58:38,851
But yeah, my question is

1985
00:58:38,851 --> 00:58:39,953
question is going to be is

1986
00:58:39,953 --> 00:58:40,821
there any foresight on what to

1987
00:58:40,821 --> 00:58:41,955
expect but so yet to come.

1988
00:58:41,955 --> 00:58:42,422
We look forward to those

1989
00:58:42,422 --> 00:58:43,857
conversations.

1990
00:58:43,857 --> 00:58:45,491
Um and is there any.

1991
00:58:45,491 --> 00:58:46,726
Unintended consequences this

1992
00:58:46,726 --> 00:58:47,126
MAY have on other businesses?

1993
00:58:47,126 --> 00:58:49,126
Uh.

1994
00:58:49,395 --> 00:58:51,640
Given the terminology used in

1995
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:52,331
the ordinance um, is there

1996
00:58:52,331 --> 00:58:54,401
anyone else that could be is

1997
00:58:54,401 --> 00:58:57,504
there a gray area of is there

1998
00:58:57,504 --> 00:58:58,137
strictly security guard uh,

1999
00:58:58,137 --> 00:58:59,507
companies and I'm security.

2000
00:58:59,507 --> 00:59:01,808
guard companies and that is it

2001
00:59:01,808 --> 00:59:02,642
or does it does it bleed into

2002
00:59:02,642 --> 00:59:04,642
anything elsewhere?

2003
00:59:04,677 --> 00:59:05,645
Someone out there you know, as

2004
00:59:05,645 --> 00:59:06,713
we go down the line here,

2005
00:59:06,713 --> 00:59:07,914
someone else might raise their

2006
00:59:07,914 --> 00:59:09,883
hand and reach out to us and

2007
00:59:09,883 --> 00:59:11,840
say hey john, you know I know

2008
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,520
you wouldn't think it but this

2009
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:13,720
affects me and here's what it

2010
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,287
will do to my business,

2011
00:59:14,287 --> 00:59:16,287
company, neighborhood etc..

2012
00:59:18,391 --> 00:59:19,259
And the definitions are pretty

2013
00:59:19,259 --> 00:59:21,361
significant that are pretty

2014
00:59:21,361 --> 00:59:24,397
clear as to who this covers.

2015
00:59:24,397 --> 00:59:26,650
Um but I think I can only

2016
00:59:26,650 --> 00:59:27,567
answer that we would go by this

2017
00:59:27,567 --> 00:59:28,901
definition and I think it's um.

2018
00:59:28,901 --> 00:59:30,170
Do you have the definition

2019
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:31,838
because I'm sorry I don't but

2020
00:59:31,838 --> 00:59:33,106
and what what is the definition

2021
00:59:33,106 --> 00:59:36,106
of an unarmed security guard?

2022
00:59:36,576 --> 00:59:37,443
It is um well definition of of

2023
00:59:37,443 --> 00:59:39,443
the employer.

2024
00:59:39,479 --> 00:59:41,381
The security employer is anyone

2025
00:59:41,381 --> 00:59:43,850
who employers employees two or

2026
00:59:43,850 --> 00:59:45,318
more unarmed security guards to

2027
00:59:45,318 --> 00:59:47,318
perform security services

2028
00:59:47,987 --> 00:59:48,388
services at one or more

2029
00:59:48,388 --> 00:59:48,788
covered property.

2030
00:59:48,788 --> 00:59:50,623
Okay.

2031
00:59:50,623 --> 00:59:51,891
>> and has nothing about what

2032
00:59:51,891 --> 00:59:53,560
an and I'm sure there's no

2033
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:54,427
definition for the unarmed

2034
00:59:54,427 --> 00:59:56,827
security guard and what.

2035
00:59:57,630 --> 00:59:57,331
There is it's a larger

2036
00:59:57,331 --> 00:59:59,331
paragraph.

2037
00:59:59,733 --> 01:00:03,670
Um but again we would we would

2038
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:05,538
use this and um but it's always

2039
01:00:05,538 --> 01:00:06,640
I can't answer whether or not

2040
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:06,839
they're unintended consequences

2041
01:00:06,839 --> 01:00:08,508
.

2042
01:00:08,508 --> 01:00:10,143
We would we would look at this

2043
01:00:10,143 --> 01:00:11,177
very closely as we move forward

2044
01:00:11,177 --> 01:00:13,446
with our due diligence to

2045
01:00:13,446 --> 01:00:15,114
ensure that we are taking into

2046
01:00:15,114 --> 01:00:16,182
account as much as we possibly

2047
01:00:16,182 --> 01:00:17,500
could and meet with

2048
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:17,517
stakeholders to try to

2049
01:00:17,517 --> 01:00:18,751
understand that.

2050
01:00:18,751 --> 01:00:19,118
and we will work with you guys

2051
01:00:19,118 --> 01:00:20,530
along the way.

2052
01:00:20,530 --> 01:00:20,988
As we do that.

2053
01:00:20,988 --> 01:00:21,921
That's our intent so.

2054
01:00:21,921 --> 01:00:22,856
>> look forward to it.

2055
01:00:22,856 --> 01:00:23,489
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

2056
01:00:23,489 --> 01:00:23,790
No further questions.

2057
01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:24,724
Thank you.

2058
01:00:24,724 --> 01:00:25,910
>> the chair recognizes

2059
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:26,459
councilor weber.

2060
01:00:26,459 --> 01:00:26,693
You have the floor and seven

2061
01:00:26,693 --> 01:00:28,328
minutes.

2062
01:00:28,328 --> 01:00:29,620
Okay.

2063
01:00:29,620 --> 01:00:29,463
>> thank you.

2064
01:00:29,463 --> 01:00:30,960
Uh.

2065
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:31,531
>> yeah.

2066
01:00:31,531 --> 01:00:33,990
>> I think, um.

2067
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:34,100
Councilor fitzgerald.

2068
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:35,568
Stole my first question, which

2069
01:00:35,568 --> 01:00:37,470
is, you know how many security

2070
01:00:37,470 --> 01:00:37,704
guards uh, do we have here in

2071
01:00:37,704 --> 01:00:39,704
boston?

2072
01:00:39,739 --> 01:00:41,407
And if you do the the research,

2073
01:00:41,407 --> 01:00:43,407
it's 9000.

2074
01:00:44,444 --> 01:00:46,946
Uh, um, where do you do over

2075
01:00:46,946 --> 01:00:48,140
the the country has like 1.3

2076
01:00:48,140 --> 01:00:50,283
million security guards and

2077
01:00:50,283 --> 01:00:51,751
it's more uh, than the, you

2078
01:00:51,751 --> 01:00:53,453
know, total number of police

2079
01:00:53,453 --> 01:00:53,686
officers across the country

2080
01:00:53,686 --> 01:00:55,121
here.

2081
01:00:55,121 --> 01:00:57,357
It's the same in boston.

2082
01:00:57,357 --> 01:01:00,260
This is like a large group

2083
01:01:00,260 --> 01:01:01,694
of people, um, who are often,

2084
01:01:01,694 --> 01:01:03,396
you know, paid among the lowest

2085
01:01:03,396 --> 01:01:05,640
wages and asked to put

2086
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,533
themselves in harm's way often

2087
01:01:07,533 --> 01:01:07,767
and work tedious shifts and

2088
01:01:07,767 --> 01:01:08,601
hours.

2089
01:01:08,601 --> 01:01:09,836
And so I.

2090
01:01:09,836 --> 01:01:11,504
I.

2091
01:01:11,504 --> 01:01:13,172
,uh I know a lot of the

2092
01:01:13,172 --> 01:01:14,841
studies highlight how many

2093
01:01:14,841 --> 01:01:15,909
of these workers there are and

2094
01:01:15,909 --> 01:01:17,143
obviously there's a lot here.

2095
01:01:17,143 --> 01:01:18,411
Just think about how it dwarfs

2096
01:01:18,411 --> 01:01:20,647
our own police department.

2097
01:01:20,647 --> 01:01:22,548
Um I'm getting up to speed

2098
01:01:22,548 --> 01:01:23,583
there there is an article I

2099
01:01:23,583 --> 01:01:25,885
think that the uc berkeley

2100
01:01:25,885 --> 01:01:26,786
labor center put out this month

2101
01:01:26,786 --> 01:01:27,987
or in the last month.

2102
01:01:27,987 --> 01:01:28,421
Actually JULY.

2103
01:01:28,421 --> 01:01:30,560
>> 2026.

2104
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:30,923
Called underpaid, undervalued

2105
01:01:30,923 --> 01:01:32,191
and essential.

2106
01:01:32,191 --> 01:01:32,692
I don't know if anyone talked

2107
01:01:32,692 --> 01:01:33,759
about this already.

2108
01:01:33,759 --> 01:01:35,428
Uh it's the security guard

2109
01:01:35,428 --> 01:01:37,331
workforce in the united states

2110
01:01:37,331 --> 01:01:38,831
is kind of outlines a lot

2111
01:01:38,831 --> 01:01:40,901
of issues I think that occur

2112
01:01:40,901 --> 01:01:42,768
you know, uh, in the in the

2113
01:01:42,768 --> 01:01:44,837
work space for our security

2114
01:01:44,837 --> 01:01:46,106
guards um, even just finding

2115
01:01:46,106 --> 01:01:49,706
out how many there are this

2116
01:01:49,809 --> 01:01:50,760
sort of eye opening um, to do

2117
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:51,177
you.

2118
01:01:51,177 --> 01:01:53,177
Uh, I.

2119
01:01:53,346 --> 01:01:55,615
>> guess so do we already

2120
01:01:55,615 --> 01:01:56,490
certify companies to do to do

2121
01:01:56,490 --> 01:01:58,490
this work?

2122
01:01:58,284 --> 01:01:58,751
Uh, no we don't, you know,

2123
01:01:58,751 --> 01:02:00,751
track them.

2124
01:02:03,456 --> 01:02:05,325
Um uh, do you know if they're

2125
01:02:05,325 --> 01:02:07,827
and I don't think this is part

2126
01:02:07,827 --> 01:02:09,295
of this ordinance but is any

2127
01:02:09,295 --> 01:02:10,964
thought been given to

2128
01:02:10,964 --> 01:02:12,231
background checks for people

2129
01:02:12,231 --> 01:02:15,231
who work as security guards?

2130
01:02:16,102 --> 01:02:18,471
I believe that is included.

2131
01:02:18,471 --> 01:02:20,540
But I'm not 100% don't quote

2132
01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:20,973
me but okay, but I believe

2133
01:02:20,973 --> 01:02:22,175
that's included in.

2134
01:02:22,175 --> 01:02:23,276
>> the I'll leave the file here

2135
01:02:23,276 --> 01:02:25,378
too so if you want to address

2136
01:02:25,378 --> 01:02:26,846
that later uh, we we have

2137
01:02:26,846 --> 01:02:27,814
background checks for people

2138
01:02:27,814 --> 01:02:31,284
going into this kind of work.

2139
01:02:31,284 --> 01:02:32,752
Um, and I guess in terms of I

2140
01:02:32,752 --> 01:02:34,821
think we are just sort

2141
01:02:34,821 --> 01:02:37,724
of touching on this uh, getting

2142
01:02:37,724 --> 01:02:38,925
to who's covered and um.

2143
01:02:38,925 --> 01:02:40,961
I guess what's to.

2144
01:02:40,961 --> 01:02:42,280
Stop uh, someone from saying

2145
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,297
well, that that person who's

2146
01:02:44,297 --> 01:02:46,799
working at the desk is not

2147
01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:47,834
providing security services

2148
01:02:47,834 --> 01:02:49,268
under he they're just.

2149
01:02:49,268 --> 01:02:49,702
They're a concierge or

2150
01:02:49,702 --> 01:02:51,671
something.

2151
01:02:51,671 --> 01:02:52,138
How to how do we how do we

2152
01:02:52,138 --> 01:02:53,573
handle that?

2153
01:02:53,573 --> 01:02:53,806
How does this ordinance deal

2154
01:02:53,806 --> 01:02:55,806
with.

2155
01:02:56,420 --> 01:02:57,944
The ordinance has a structure

2156
01:02:57,944 --> 01:02:59,379
for enforcement where people

2157
01:02:59,379 --> 01:03:02,281
can make complaints if they

2158
01:03:02,281 --> 01:03:04,784
believe that they are um,

2159
01:03:04,784 --> 01:03:05,818
working and uh, job that

2160
01:03:05,818 --> 01:03:06,686
security and they don't have

2161
01:03:06,686 --> 01:03:08,686
the proper training.

2162
01:03:09,422 --> 01:03:10,289
Um, so there are administrative

2163
01:03:10,289 --> 01:03:11,758
enforcement and penalties

2164
01:03:11,758 --> 01:03:14,158
detailed in the ordinance.

2165
01:03:14,427 --> 01:03:15,461
Um, I have not had an

2166
01:03:15,461 --> 01:03:17,964
opportunity to go through the

2167
01:03:17,964 --> 01:03:19,932
in detail to again

2168
01:03:19,932 --> 01:03:21,802
operationalizing this is um

2169
01:03:21,802 --> 01:03:23,703
work that is yet to be that we

2170
01:03:23,703 --> 01:03:25,939
have to do still okay.

2171
01:03:25,939 --> 01:03:27,841
And then in terms of protective

2172
01:03:27,841 --> 01:03:30,309
gear you know like is are we

2173
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:32,178
going to like um sort

2174
01:03:32,178 --> 01:03:33,847
of mandate companies to provide

2175
01:03:33,847 --> 01:03:36,247
like sort of non-lethal

2176
01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:38,618
protective measures for people

2177
01:03:38,618 --> 01:03:38,885
or what what is the thinking on

2178
01:03:38,885 --> 01:03:40,885
that?

2179
01:03:41,921 --> 01:03:43,623
This focuses on training not

2180
01:03:43,623 --> 01:03:45,491
protective gear or requirements

2181
01:03:45,491 --> 01:03:48,394
around protective gear, but it

2182
01:03:48,394 --> 01:03:51,640
does focus on the necessary

2183
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:51,731
health and safety training,

2184
01:03:51,731 --> 01:03:51,998
de-escalation etc. That's

2185
01:03:51,998 --> 01:03:53,800
required.

2186
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,800
Um okay.

2187
01:03:57,471 --> 01:04:00,173
And then in terms of the I mean

2188
01:04:00,173 --> 01:04:02,241
the the shifts uh that people

2189
01:04:02,241 --> 01:04:03,242
are required to work I mean is

2190
01:04:03,242 --> 01:04:04,311
there I don't know philadelphia

2191
01:04:04,311 --> 01:04:04,577
or any of these other places

2192
01:04:04,577 --> 01:04:06,577
too.

2193
01:04:07,213 --> 01:04:09,810
They look at trying to I think

2194
01:04:09,810 --> 01:04:11,150
it's often I don't know how you

2195
01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:11,417
know, 12 hour shifts or

2196
01:04:11,417 --> 01:04:13,417
overnight.

2197
01:04:14,530 --> 01:04:16,122
Is there any benefit to

2198
01:04:16,122 --> 01:04:18,424
requiring shorter shifts for

2199
01:04:18,424 --> 01:04:20,360
people or regulating them?

2200
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:20,993
go ahead.

2201
01:04:20,993 --> 01:04:22,528
>> yeah.

2202
01:04:22,528 --> 01:04:23,562
>> uh I mean, councilor, this

2203
01:04:23,562 --> 01:04:24,863
is exactly the kind of work

2204
01:04:24,863 --> 01:04:26,499
that we have to do.

2205
01:04:26,499 --> 01:04:27,533
Moving forward both with the

2206
01:04:27,533 --> 01:04:27,900
ordinance and the

2207
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:29,900
implementation.

2208
01:04:29,936 --> 01:04:31,571
I appreciate.

2209
01:04:31,571 --> 01:04:33,971
These fine grained questions,

2210
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,941
but they're not ones that we

2211
01:04:35,941 --> 01:04:36,542
can answer as we talked today.

2212
01:04:36,542 --> 01:04:38,377
Okay.

2213
01:04:38,377 --> 01:04:39,645
I you know, just want to shoot

2214
01:04:39,645 --> 01:04:41,515
straight with you about what we

2215
01:04:41,515 --> 01:04:41,781
are equipped to do and not do

2216
01:04:41,781 --> 01:04:43,781
today.

2217
01:04:44,217 --> 01:04:46,217
Um, so.

2218
01:04:46,452 --> 01:04:47,887
So sounds good.

2219
01:04:47,887 --> 01:04:48,888
Uh, and did you.

2220
01:04:48,888 --> 01:04:49,221
Know I.

2221
01:04:49,221 --> 01:04:51,221
Do we.

2222
01:04:51,591 --> 01:04:52,625
>> have several large employers

2223
01:04:52,625 --> 01:04:54,293
uh, here in the city.

2224
01:04:54,293 --> 01:04:56,950
Usually they're concentrated.

2225
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:57,363
You know who who the large

2226
01:04:57,363 --> 01:04:57,664
employers are in boston.

2227
01:04:57,664 --> 01:04:59,298
Yeah.

2228
01:04:59,298 --> 01:05:00,666
>> we've had an opportunity to

2229
01:05:00,666 --> 01:05:01,735
speak with at least one who I

2230
01:05:01,735 --> 01:05:04,135
believe has submitted testimony

2231
01:05:04,637 --> 01:05:06,305
here today and, um, we would

2232
01:05:06,305 --> 01:05:07,574
want to be able to move forward

2233
01:05:07,574 --> 01:05:09,410
in the work ahead that

2234
01:05:09,410 --> 01:05:09,308
involving all stakeholders

2235
01:05:09,308 --> 01:05:10,910
including.

2236
01:05:10,910 --> 01:05:11,911
>> them employers.

2237
01:05:11,911 --> 01:05:13,746
Okay.

2238
01:05:13,746 --> 01:05:14,981
>> um.

2239
01:05:14,981 --> 01:05:16,981
,and.

2240
01:05:17,917 --> 01:05:18,885
In terms of administering this

2241
01:05:18,885 --> 01:05:19,952
uh, you know, we've talked

2242
01:05:19,952 --> 01:05:20,219
about this in other contexts

2243
01:05:20,219 --> 01:05:22,219
like.

2244
01:05:23,456 --> 01:05:25,758
What does your office will that

2245
01:05:25,758 --> 01:05:27,627
you need more people in your

2246
01:05:27,627 --> 01:05:29,950
office to do this work or how

2247
01:05:29,950 --> 01:05:31,564
how can you handle it?

2248
01:05:31,564 --> 01:05:32,632
Um, again, we haven't had a

2249
01:05:32,632 --> 01:05:34,701
chance to really understand

2250
01:05:34,701 --> 01:05:36,200
what capacity is needed to

2251
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,200
operationalize this.

2252
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,706
Um, but we are a small office

2253
01:05:40,706 --> 01:05:42,576
and there's a lot of work to

2254
01:05:42,576 --> 01:05:43,843
determine how we would move

2255
01:05:43,843 --> 01:05:44,760
forward and what capacity we

2256
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:45,945
need.

2257
01:05:45,945 --> 01:05:47,945
Okay.

2258
01:05:48,315 --> 01:05:49,348
>> so we would need to set up a

2259
01:05:49,348 --> 01:05:50,416
a database.

2260
01:05:50,416 --> 01:05:51,818
Can you just walk me.

2261
01:05:51,818 --> 01:05:52,485
Through what you what you think

2262
01:05:52,485 --> 01:05:54,485
needs to happen?

2263
01:05:55,755 --> 01:05:56,389
Uh, you know, if we pass this

2264
01:05:56,389 --> 01:05:58,389
in your office.

2265
01:06:00,893 --> 01:06:02,328
Um, as with the heat ordinance

2266
01:06:02,328 --> 01:06:03,830
and other ordinance we've been

2267
01:06:03,830 --> 01:06:05,698
tasked with, we first try to

2268
01:06:05,698 --> 01:06:08,980
understand exactly what is

2269
01:06:08,167 --> 01:06:10,169
required and then set up an

2270
01:06:10,169 --> 01:06:12,169
implementation infrastructure

2271
01:06:12,438 --> 01:06:14,740
and, um, philadelphia and other

2272
01:06:14,740 --> 01:06:15,808
places they've hired a, um,

2273
01:06:15,808 --> 01:06:17,760
consultant to set up the

2274
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,678
permitting system.

2275
01:06:18,678 --> 01:06:20,346
That MAY be something we need

2276
01:06:20,346 --> 01:06:21,247
here in boston, but I think as

2277
01:06:21,247 --> 01:06:23,315
we've said, there's there's

2278
01:06:23,315 --> 01:06:25,585
still a lot of work ahead to

2279
01:06:25,585 --> 01:06:26,852
understand exactly what is

2280
01:06:26,852 --> 01:06:28,321
required, what capacity would

2281
01:06:28,321 --> 01:06:30,623
be needed and what strategies

2282
01:06:30,623 --> 01:06:33,459
we would use to to meet that.

2283
01:06:33,459 --> 01:06:35,940
Um, okay.

2284
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:36,950
Uh I think that's.

2285
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:37,330
All for my questions.

2286
01:06:37,330 --> 01:06:39,730
Thank thank you chair.

2287
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,600
Thank you.

2288
01:06:43,236 --> 01:06:43,669
Um, the chair recognizes

2289
01:06:43,669 --> 01:06:44,170
councilor culpeper.

2290
01:06:44,170 --> 01:06:44,871
You have the floor.

2291
01:06:44,871 --> 01:06:46,105
In seven minutes.

2292
01:06:46,105 --> 01:06:48,341
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

2293
01:06:48,341 --> 01:06:50,420
I want to begin by

2294
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:52,112
acknowledging what I think is

2295
01:06:52,112 --> 01:06:52,979
an important common ground in

2296
01:06:52,979 --> 01:06:54,979
this conversation.

2297
01:06:55,615 --> 01:06:56,916
We know security officers play

2298
01:06:56,916 --> 01:06:59,916
an important role in keeping

2299
01:07:00,620 --> 01:07:02,688
people safe across our city,

2300
01:07:02,688 --> 01:07:04,757
often an incredibly difficult

2301
01:07:04,757 --> 01:07:05,910
and unpredictable

2302
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:07,910
circumstances.

2303
01:07:07,460 --> 01:07:09,762
They deserve to have training

2304
01:07:09,762 --> 01:07:11,300
and preparation and support

2305
01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:12,732
necessary to do their job

2306
01:07:12,732 --> 01:07:14,732
safely and effectively.

2307
01:07:14,734 --> 01:07:16,836
Here's what's interesting as we

2308
01:07:16,836 --> 01:07:19,236
discuss training for security

2309
01:07:19,305 --> 01:07:22,208
officers um while in law

2310
01:07:22,208 --> 01:07:24,877
student and law school uh, I

2311
01:07:24,877 --> 01:07:26,779
was a security officer uh,

2312
01:07:26,779 --> 01:07:28,470
untrained uh, and they put

2313
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:28,281
me in a warehouse and some

2314
01:07:28,281 --> 01:07:29,715
of you.

2315
01:07:29,715 --> 01:07:31,715
Big huge.

2316
01:07:32,151 --> 01:07:33,186
Warehouse and I was there all

2317
01:07:33,186 --> 01:07:35,186
night by myself.

2318
01:07:35,454 --> 01:07:37,924
The good news is that I had a

2319
01:07:37,924 --> 01:07:38,891
german shepherd named ginger

2320
01:07:38,891 --> 01:07:41,161
that took good care of me.

2321
01:07:41,161 --> 01:07:43,396
I had no training whatsoever.

2322
01:07:43,396 --> 01:07:45,465
And when I think about where we

2323
01:07:45,465 --> 01:07:48,367
are now, I think about how long

2324
01:07:48,367 --> 01:07:51,967
ago that was and no training

2325
01:07:52,471 --> 01:07:54,574
has been, uh, discussed in a

2326
01:07:54,574 --> 01:07:56,410
serious way like we are now and

2327
01:07:56,410 --> 01:07:57,310
now we're at the point where we

2328
01:07:57,310 --> 01:07:57,777
have an ordinance of by

2329
01:07:57,777 --> 01:07:59,777
training.

2330
01:08:02,448 --> 01:08:03,916
I think there's broad agreement

2331
01:08:03,916 --> 01:08:05,951
that there's a big gap here.

2332
01:08:05,951 --> 01:08:07,190
Unlike most states,

2333
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:08,321
massachusetts does not

2334
01:08:08,321 --> 01:08:10,321
currently require training.

2335
01:08:11,357 --> 01:08:12,425
And when you think about

2336
01:08:12,425 --> 01:08:14,930
philadelphia and we'll talk

2337
01:08:14,930 --> 01:08:16,996
about philadelphia in a minute

2338
01:08:16,996 --> 01:08:19,466
,um, my question is that

2339
01:08:19,466 --> 01:08:20,333
they're not coming from a place

2340
01:08:20,333 --> 01:08:22,168
of opposition to training.

2341
01:08:22,168 --> 01:08:25,168
They're coming from a place

2342
01:08:25,504 --> 01:08:26,973
of wanting to understand how we

2343
01:08:26,973 --> 01:08:27,406
operationalize this proposal

2344
01:08:27,406 --> 01:08:29,406
successfully.

2345
01:08:29,442 --> 01:08:31,911
You've heard a lot of questions

2346
01:08:31,911 --> 01:08:33,579
about how do we actually

2347
01:08:33,579 --> 01:08:35,281
operationalize this, especially

2348
01:08:35,281 --> 01:08:37,350
when you look at philadelphia,

2349
01:08:37,350 --> 01:08:40,853
they had to stop the program

2350
01:08:40,853 --> 01:08:42,955
completely because when they

2351
01:08:42,955 --> 01:08:45,955
got it started they hadn't

2352
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:48,527
planned in a way that required

2353
01:08:48,527 --> 01:08:49,161
everything to be in place that

2354
01:08:49,161 --> 01:08:51,161
was necessary.

2355
01:08:51,431 --> 01:08:52,498
I look at the size of your

2356
01:08:52,498 --> 01:08:53,365
office and we'll talk about

2357
01:08:53,365 --> 01:08:55,401
that a little bit.

2358
01:08:55,401 --> 01:08:56,269
I heard you mention that you

2359
01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:58,104
had a small office.

2360
01:08:58,104 --> 01:08:58,337
We'll talk a little bit about

2361
01:08:58,337 --> 01:09:00,337
that.

2362
01:09:00,373 --> 01:09:02,441
Uh, but we've heard concerns

2363
01:09:02,441 --> 01:09:04,841
about the 40 hour requirement,

2364
01:09:05,345 --> 01:09:07,447
the capacity of city to certify

2365
01:09:07,447 --> 01:09:08,514
training providers and

2366
01:09:08,514 --> 01:09:10,914
administer a new permitting

2367
01:09:11,183 --> 01:09:12,852
system, the cost to employers

2368
01:09:12,852 --> 01:09:14,921
and institutions that contract

2369
01:09:14,921 --> 01:09:16,822
with them, whether existing

2370
01:09:16,822 --> 01:09:18,291
high quality training should

2371
01:09:18,291 --> 01:09:20,726
receive some form of credit.

2372
01:09:20,726 --> 01:09:22,595
We also heard and I talked and

2373
01:09:22,595 --> 01:09:24,897
we'll talk more about

2374
01:09:24,897 --> 01:09:25,931
philadelphia, but that

2375
01:09:25,931 --> 01:09:27,400
experience should not

2376
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,680
necessarily tell boston not to

2377
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,170
add but I think it should cause

2378
01:09:31,170 --> 01:09:32,338
us to ask what we can learn

2379
01:09:32,338 --> 01:09:33,105
from it and we'll talk about

2380
01:09:33,105 --> 01:09:35,341
that a little bit.

2381
01:09:35,341 --> 01:09:37,209
What lessons learned from

2382
01:09:37,209 --> 01:09:38,277
philadelphia in trying to

2383
01:09:38,277 --> 01:09:39,946
implement a system that they

2384
01:09:39,946 --> 01:09:41,381
weren't prepared to implement.

2385
01:09:41,381 --> 01:09:42,848
And my goal today is pretty

2386
01:09:42,848 --> 01:09:44,450
simple I want to understand

2387
01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:46,619
what problem we are trying to

2388
01:09:46,619 --> 01:09:48,121
solve, what infrastructure is

2389
01:09:48,121 --> 01:09:50,890
necessary to solve it, what

2390
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:52,890
implement implementation will

2391
01:09:52,591 --> 01:09:54,694
actually require the city and

2392
01:09:54,694 --> 01:09:56,362
employers and whether there are

2393
01:09:56,362 --> 01:09:57,630
adjustments we can make that

2394
01:09:57,630 --> 01:09:59,699
preserved the intent of this

2395
01:09:59,699 --> 01:10:01,601
ordinance while making sure it

2396
01:10:01,601 --> 01:10:02,668
works in practice if we're

2397
01:10:02,668 --> 01:10:04,937
going to establish a new

2398
01:10:04,937 --> 01:10:06,405
system, a new standard, I want

2399
01:10:06,405 --> 01:10:08,274
it to be a standard that is

2400
01:10:08,274 --> 01:10:10,274
meaningful for workers,

2401
01:10:10,576 --> 01:10:12,576
manageable for employers,

2402
01:10:12,845 --> 01:10:15,348
enforceable by the city and

2403
01:10:15,348 --> 01:10:15,615
ultimately one that makes boces

2404
01:10:15,615 --> 01:10:17,350
safer.

2405
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:18,417
So let's talk a little bit

2406
01:10:18,417 --> 01:10:21,860
about the size of your office.

2407
01:10:21,860 --> 01:10:22,955
What is the size of your office

2408
01:10:22,955 --> 01:10:24,991
and what do you think you need?

2409
01:10:24,991 --> 01:10:25,825
And I heard council weber kind

2410
01:10:25,825 --> 01:10:28,225
of allude to that.

2411
01:10:28,694 --> 01:10:30,563
But as you look at what's

2412
01:10:30,563 --> 01:10:32,665
required in ordinance, what do

2413
01:10:32,665 --> 01:10:34,133
you think you need in terms

2414
01:10:34,133 --> 01:10:36,533
of additional staffing to

2415
01:10:37,737 --> 01:10:39,605
actually uh, operationalize and

2416
01:10:39,605 --> 01:10:41,674
implement this ordinance in the

2417
01:10:41,674 --> 01:10:42,575
way that we've seen other

2418
01:10:42,575 --> 01:10:44,575
states have implemented?

2419
01:10:44,977 --> 01:10:45,478
Well, first I think we share

2420
01:10:45,478 --> 01:10:47,790
the same goals.

2421
01:10:47,790 --> 01:10:48,681
So thank you, um,

2422
01:10:48,681 --> 01:10:49,115
councilor culpeper for laying

2423
01:10:49,115 --> 01:10:51,115
that out.

2424
01:10:51,784 --> 01:10:53,853
Our office is small in addition

2425
01:10:53,853 --> 01:10:56,322
to myself we have three staff.

2426
01:10:56,322 --> 01:10:57,790
We enforce the wage theft

2427
01:10:57,790 --> 01:11:00,590
executive order, the living

2428
01:11:00,590 --> 01:11:02,128
wage ordinance and the heat

2429
01:11:02,128 --> 01:11:04,230
ordinance and we also do

2430
01:11:04,230 --> 01:11:05,264
workers rights training and

2431
01:11:05,264 --> 01:11:05,864
outreach and health and safety

2432
01:11:05,864 --> 01:11:07,864
training and outreach.

2433
01:11:10,336 --> 01:11:12,605
So um we have to we would have

2434
01:11:12,605 --> 01:11:14,730
to do uh our due diligence to

2435
01:11:14,730 --> 01:11:14,540
really understand what is

2436
01:11:14,540 --> 01:11:15,775
involved.

2437
01:11:15,775 --> 01:11:18,440
Before I could answer the

2438
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:20,346
question about what capacity we

2439
01:11:20,346 --> 01:11:21,614
need, I don't really know until

2440
01:11:21,614 --> 01:11:23,883
I've had that opportunity.

2441
01:11:23,883 --> 01:11:26,185
I will say we are very lucky to

2442
01:11:26,185 --> 01:11:27,853
,um, have the opportunity to

2443
01:11:27,853 --> 01:11:28,921
be in community with other

2444
01:11:28,921 --> 01:11:30,921
municipal labor departments

2445
01:11:32,224 --> 01:11:33,526
like philadelphia, new york and

2446
01:11:33,526 --> 01:11:35,628
otherwise who've taken on some

2447
01:11:35,628 --> 01:11:37,296
of these tasks and we intend to

2448
01:11:37,296 --> 01:11:38,965
learn from them of what has

2449
01:11:38,965 --> 01:11:41,267
worked, what hasn't worked, the

2450
01:11:41,267 --> 01:11:43,736
kind of capacity um and I think

2451
01:11:43,736 --> 01:11:45,404
we've always looked at

2452
01:11:45,404 --> 01:11:48,404
opportunities to ensure that we

2453
01:11:49,341 --> 01:11:51,100
are creating meaningful, um,

2454
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:53,410
meaningful laws in compliance

2455
01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:55,581
and I turn to our living wage

2456
01:11:55,581 --> 01:11:57,950
wage theft executive order in

2457
01:11:57,950 --> 01:11:59,218
the implementation of the

2458
01:11:59,218 --> 01:12:00,886
recent ordinance around um

2459
01:12:00,886 --> 01:12:03,155
protecting workers from heat,

2460
01:12:03,155 --> 01:12:04,623
we really looked at what we had

2461
01:12:04,623 --> 01:12:06,926
the capacity to do and how we

2462
01:12:06,926 --> 01:12:09,280
could utilize our resources for

2463
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:10,329
the maximum impact and we'd

2464
01:12:10,329 --> 01:12:11,897
like to do that here as well.

2465
01:12:11,897 --> 01:12:13,165
>> in terms of philadelphia,

2466
01:12:13,165 --> 01:12:15,668
what was there did that give

2467
01:12:15,668 --> 01:12:17,336
you any glaring problems that

2468
01:12:17,336 --> 01:12:18,304
they said this has been a major

2469
01:12:18,304 --> 01:12:19,739
problem for us.

2470
01:12:19,739 --> 01:12:20,606
I have not yet had an

2471
01:12:20,606 --> 01:12:21,240
opportunity to have the

2472
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,240
conversation with them.

2473
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:25,344
I have been able to identify

2474
01:12:25,344 --> 01:12:26,812
the key staff person

2475
01:12:26,812 --> 01:12:28,915
implementing that and look

2476
01:12:28,915 --> 01:12:29,348
forward to having the

2477
01:12:29,348 --> 01:12:31,348
conversation.

2478
01:12:31,617 --> 01:12:32,451
Um, you know for we are just

2479
01:12:32,451 --> 01:12:32,918
getting started and

2480
01:12:32,918 --> 01:12:34,918
understanding this.

2481
01:12:35,988 --> 01:12:38,570
So um we reached out to them

2482
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:38,524
and just have set up some

2483
01:12:38,524 --> 01:12:39,158
initial.

2484
01:12:39,158 --> 01:12:40,159
>> phone calls.

2485
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:40,760
Counselor, if I MAY.

2486
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,528
I think talking.

2487
01:12:42,528 --> 01:12:43,496
About talking to labor folks in

2488
01:12:43,496 --> 01:12:43,863
philadelphia is going to be

2489
01:12:43,863 --> 01:12:44,897
important too.

2490
01:12:44,897 --> 01:12:45,464
>> that's another have you

2491
01:12:45,464 --> 01:12:46,899
talked to them yet?

2492
01:12:46,899 --> 01:12:48,768
We're working on that as well.

2493
01:12:48,768 --> 01:12:49,100
And what have they told you so

2494
01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:50,970
far?

2495
01:12:50,970 --> 01:12:52,271
Uh, we we're literally working

2496
01:12:52,271 --> 01:12:52,638
on setting up the conversation.

2497
01:12:52,638 --> 01:12:54,473
Okay.

2498
01:12:54,473 --> 01:12:55,541
>> could you report back to us

2499
01:12:55,541 --> 01:12:56,942
as you get the information?

2500
01:12:56,942 --> 01:12:58,244
it's going to be helpful to

2501
01:12:58,244 --> 01:12:59,812
look at that as we assess it.

2502
01:12:59,812 --> 01:13:00,120
And let me ask you a question,

2503
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:01,881
lou.

2504
01:13:01,881 --> 01:13:03,449
You said a minute ago to

2505
01:13:03,449 --> 01:13:06,449
council whether you say we're

2506
01:13:08,187 --> 01:13:10,656
here to do we are here giving

2507
01:13:10,656 --> 01:13:11,924
you what we can do or not what

2508
01:13:11,924 --> 01:13:12,324
we can't do today.

2509
01:13:12,324 --> 01:13:13,959
Yeah.

2510
01:13:13,959 --> 01:13:16,462
What can you tell us today

2511
01:13:16,462 --> 01:13:19,462
about the ordinance as you

2512
01:13:19,531 --> 01:13:20,733
assessed it in terms

2513
01:13:20,733 --> 01:13:21,367
of implementation issues other

2514
01:13:21,367 --> 01:13:23,367
than staffing?

2515
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,504
I think that's difficult and I

2516
01:13:25,504 --> 01:13:26,572
think that that we've

2517
01:13:26,572 --> 01:13:27,840
repeatedly answered that

2518
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:28,908
question that going further

2519
01:13:28,908 --> 01:13:30,843
than the text of the ordinance

2520
01:13:30,843 --> 01:13:31,677
today without the conversations

2521
01:13:31,677 --> 01:13:32,978
with the folks in philly,

2522
01:13:32,978 --> 01:13:34,947
without the conversations with

2523
01:13:34,947 --> 01:13:35,815
other municipalities makes it

2524
01:13:35,815 --> 01:13:36,810
difficult to answer those

2525
01:13:36,810 --> 01:13:38,810
questions.

2526
01:13:39,318 --> 01:13:41,587
So that is not you know, anyone

2527
01:13:41,587 --> 01:13:42,254
trying to mislead you or

2528
01:13:42,254 --> 01:13:42,921
obfuscate or any.

2529
01:13:42,921 --> 01:13:44,323
>> of that.

2530
01:13:44,323 --> 01:13:44,723
>> it's literally we don't have

2531
01:13:44,723 --> 01:13:45,624
that information.

2532
01:13:45,624 --> 01:13:46,892
We haven't had those

2533
01:13:46,892 --> 01:13:48,727
conversations we want to.

2534
01:13:48,727 --> 01:13:49,995
And in response to your

2535
01:13:49,995 --> 01:13:51,300
question about seasonally

2536
01:13:51,300 --> 01:13:52,198
updating you with information

2537
01:13:52,198 --> 01:13:54,233
will be glad to do that.

2538
01:13:54,233 --> 01:13:55,701
MADAM Chair, MAY I have one

2539
01:13:55,701 --> 01:13:56,569
question or are we going to

2540
01:13:56,569 --> 01:13:58,804
have a second round?

2541
01:13:58,804 --> 01:13:59,471
I mean if we have a second

2542
01:13:59,471 --> 01:14:01,471
round I'm good.

2543
01:14:01,907 --> 01:14:03,576
Just ask you you MAY ask you

2544
01:14:03,576 --> 01:14:05,878
you MAY have additional time

2545
01:14:05,878 --> 01:14:06,445
counselor reverend culpeper you

2546
01:14:06,445 --> 01:14:06,712
MAY ask for additional

2547
01:14:06,712 --> 01:14:08,247
questions.

2548
01:14:08,247 --> 01:14:10,316
From real quick question is

2549
01:14:10,316 --> 01:14:14,190
there a way we could and within

2550
01:14:14,190 --> 01:14:15,487
this ordinance create an

2551
01:14:15,487 --> 01:14:17,487
equivalency or accreditation

2552
01:14:18,191 --> 01:14:19,859
process with a city of value

2553
01:14:19,859 --> 01:14:21,859
evaluator curriculum rather

2554
01:14:22,161 --> 01:14:23,280
than the tax status of the

2555
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:23,462
organized organization

2556
01:14:23,462 --> 01:14:25,462
delivering it?

2557
01:14:26,980 --> 01:14:28,401
How do we come to use tax

2558
01:14:28,401 --> 01:14:29,835
status as the basis for.

2559
01:14:29,835 --> 01:14:31,835
This training?

2560
01:14:34,730 --> 01:14:35,874
Uh, well counselor, I'll say

2561
01:14:35,874 --> 01:14:36,842
this I you all are the ones

2562
01:14:36,842 --> 01:14:38,144
that are going to pass the

2563
01:14:38,144 --> 01:14:38,811
ordinance and we'll all work

2564
01:14:38,811 --> 01:14:41,211
together to do that.

2565
01:14:41,647 --> 01:14:42,515
So I think, uh, anything is

2566
01:14:42,515 --> 01:14:44,183
possible when you're drafting

2567
01:14:44,183 --> 01:14:45,840
an ordinance as long as it

2568
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:45,918
conforms to the law and the

2569
01:14:45,918 --> 01:14:47,353
home rule charter.

2570
01:14:47,353 --> 01:14:49,353
.

2571
01:14:49,989 --> 01:14:51,230
>> you mute write about texas.

2572
01:14:51,230 --> 01:14:52,358
But MADAM Chair.

2573
01:14:52,358 --> 01:14:52,892
>> I only answer like I

2574
01:14:52,892 --> 01:14:53,826
answered your question.

2575
01:14:53,826 --> 01:14:54,526
>> in a manner of speaking.

2576
01:14:54,526 --> 01:14:56,161
>> back to it.

2577
01:14:56,161 --> 01:14:58,197
Uh, if there's a second round.

2578
01:14:58,197 --> 01:14:59,980
Thank you.

2579
01:14:59,980 --> 01:15:00,733
>> council culpeper.

2580
01:15:00,733 --> 01:15:03,133
If you have additional

2581
01:15:03,235 --> 01:15:04,703
questions I think that now is

2582
01:15:04,703 --> 01:15:06,572
the time to ask them.

2583
01:15:06,572 --> 01:15:07,600
I've got for this for this

2584
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,600
panel.

2585
01:15:10,676 --> 01:15:11,344
Yeah but I mean are you are you

2586
01:15:11,344 --> 01:15:12,378
going to let them go.

2587
01:15:12,378 --> 01:15:13,412
Now I, I mean.

2588
01:15:13,412 --> 01:15:14,446
>> do any of my.

2589
01:15:14,446 --> 01:15:15,915
>> other colleagues have

2590
01:15:15,915 --> 01:15:18,784
additional questions and I have

2591
01:15:18,784 --> 01:15:20,252
not yet asked my questions so

2592
01:15:20,252 --> 01:15:21,520
uh if you have additional

2593
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:22,121
questions okay okay.

2594
01:15:22,121 --> 01:15:24,121
Thank you.

2595
01:15:24,791 --> 01:15:27,459
Thank you and I will I will

2596
01:15:27,459 --> 01:15:27,726
start the timer at seven

2597
01:15:27,726 --> 01:15:29,726
minutes.

2598
01:15:30,562 --> 01:15:32,310
Um, and state that I've been

2599
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:33,990
informed that there are some

2600
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:34,300
entities that do offer this

2601
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:35,367
training and they are a

2602
01:15:35,367 --> 01:15:37,236
nonprofit some of our our

2603
01:15:37,236 --> 01:15:39,738
community colleges and so that

2604
01:15:39,738 --> 01:15:41,206
could be I mean I'll defer to

2605
01:15:41,206 --> 01:15:43,676
the sponsor but that could be a

2606
01:15:43,676 --> 01:15:44,977
reason why that that language

2607
01:15:44,977 --> 01:15:47,377
is in the ordinance.

2608
01:15:47,413 --> 01:15:48,681
I believe the reason why you

2609
01:15:48,681 --> 01:15:50,490
respond to this way is that the

2610
01:15:50,490 --> 01:15:50,316
ordinance does originate with

2611
01:15:50,316 --> 01:15:52,316
us.

2612
01:15:52,751 --> 01:15:54,620
And so as counselors, if we do

2613
01:15:54,620 --> 01:15:56,880
want to alter the language,

2614
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,591
probably make it more expansive

2615
01:15:58,591 --> 01:16:01,694
to include for profit or other

2616
01:16:01,694 --> 01:16:03,362
entities that is our ability we

2617
01:16:03,362 --> 01:16:04,831
have that ability to do so in a

2618
01:16:04,831 --> 01:16:06,980
working session as we work on

2619
01:16:06,980 --> 01:16:08,334
the language of the ordinance.

2620
01:16:08,334 --> 01:16:10,200
I'm I'm I was just trying to

2621
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:11,904
friendly like be friendly and

2622
01:16:11,904 --> 01:16:12,971
answer your question but I do

2623
01:16:12,971 --> 01:16:14,239
have my questions for this

2624
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:15,307
panel and if there's a second

2625
01:16:15,307 --> 01:16:16,542
round I'll go back to you.

2626
01:16:16,542 --> 01:16:17,142
Thank you.

2627
01:16:17,142 --> 01:16:18,677
Thank you.

2628
01:16:18,677 --> 01:16:20,112
So um I had six questions here.

2629
01:16:20,112 --> 01:16:22,382
My colleagues have asked I

2630
01:16:22,382 --> 01:16:24,683
believe 2 or 3 of them, but,

2631
01:16:24,683 --> 01:16:26,151
um, deputy director sugarman

2632
01:16:26,151 --> 01:16:28,530
broaden what you said when you

2633
01:16:28,530 --> 01:16:30,289
spoke about the your office.

2634
01:16:30,289 --> 01:16:32,191
I wonder how do you see this

2635
01:16:32,191 --> 01:16:34,590
ordinance fitting into the work

2636
01:16:34,590 --> 01:16:35,694
that your office already does?

2637
01:16:35,694 --> 01:16:37,562
How does it fit into sort

2638
01:16:37,562 --> 01:16:39,431
of like the thesis of the

2639
01:16:39,431 --> 01:16:39,731
office of, uh, worker

2640
01:16:39,731 --> 01:16:41,731
empowerment?

2641
01:16:42,935 --> 01:16:43,802
I think it fits with the very

2642
01:16:43,802 --> 01:16:45,271
well within the worker

2643
01:16:45,271 --> 01:16:46,338
empowerment cabinet first and

2644
01:16:46,338 --> 01:16:47,806
foremost through our office

2645
01:16:47,806 --> 01:16:48,107
of labor compliance and worker

2646
01:16:48,107 --> 01:16:50,107
protections.

2647
01:16:50,276 --> 01:16:51,977
It gives us the opportunity and

2648
01:16:51,977 --> 01:16:54,460
strategies to ensure workers

2649
01:16:54,460 --> 01:16:56,348
are safe and that they receive

2650
01:16:56,348 --> 01:16:59,180
the training they need to be

2651
01:16:59,180 --> 01:16:59,285
safe and to be able to do their

2652
01:16:59,285 --> 01:17:00,920
jobs.

2653
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:01,987
I think that the office

2654
01:17:01,987 --> 01:17:03,455
of workforce development, which

2655
01:17:03,455 --> 01:17:05,524
is a part of the worker

2656
01:17:05,524 --> 01:17:07,426
empowerment cabinet, its

2657
01:17:07,426 --> 01:17:10,296
mission is to ensure that there

2658
01:17:10,296 --> 01:17:10,763
are pathways to good quality um

2659
01:17:10,763 --> 01:17:12,763
careers.

2660
01:17:12,798 --> 01:17:13,699
We invest in training programs

2661
01:17:13,699 --> 01:17:14,733
to the office of workforce

2662
01:17:14,733 --> 01:17:15,868
development all the time.

2663
01:17:15,868 --> 01:17:16,835
We've learned quite a bit

2664
01:17:16,835 --> 01:17:17,503
through that and through

2665
01:17:17,503 --> 01:17:18,137
implementing the neighborhood

2666
01:17:18,137 --> 01:17:20,137
jobs trust.

2667
01:17:20,406 --> 01:17:21,240
So I would lean heavily on the

2668
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:22,508
experience of office

2669
01:17:22,508 --> 01:17:23,409
of workforce development as we

2670
01:17:23,409 --> 01:17:24,944
move forward with understanding

2671
01:17:24,944 --> 01:17:25,678
how to operationalize this.

2672
01:17:25,678 --> 01:17:26,311
Thank you.

2673
01:17:26,311 --> 01:17:28,311
>> thank you.

2674
01:17:28,347 --> 01:17:31,450
And then um, my colleagues kind

2675
01:17:31,450 --> 01:17:34,320
of asked this question, um, is

2676
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:35,821
what benefit do you see in sort

2677
01:17:35,821 --> 01:17:36,855
of uh having a level

2678
01:17:36,855 --> 01:17:39,855
of consistency in the type

2679
01:17:41,193 --> 01:17:42,227
of training across um across

2680
01:17:42,227 --> 01:17:44,196
this industry?

2681
01:17:44,196 --> 01:17:45,264
Um, we do know that there was

2682
01:17:45,264 --> 01:17:46,331
an unarmed security guard that

2683
01:17:46,331 --> 01:17:46,765
was recently injured here in

2684
01:17:46,765 --> 01:17:48,000
our city.

2685
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,269
Um, and there's an unarmed

2686
01:17:50,269 --> 01:17:52,371
security guard in new york city

2687
01:17:52,371 --> 01:17:55,441
who was fatally who was fatally

2688
01:17:55,441 --> 01:17:55,708
killed as well, um, at the nfl

2689
01:17:55,708 --> 01:17:57,443
building.

2690
01:17:57,443 --> 01:17:59,111
And so MAY his memory be

2691
01:17:59,111 --> 01:18:00,579
honored in the work that we do

2692
01:18:00,579 --> 01:18:01,847
to try to make sure that, you

2693
01:18:01,847 --> 01:18:03,549
know, when you talk when folks

2694
01:18:03,549 --> 01:18:05,417
ask about the genesis and the

2695
01:18:05,417 --> 01:18:06,318
need for these trainings, I

2696
01:18:06,318 --> 01:18:06,519
think that's where it starts.

2697
01:18:06,519 --> 01:18:08,519
Okay.

2698
01:18:08,554 --> 01:18:10,122
What benefit do you see to any

2699
01:18:10,122 --> 01:18:10,789
sort of standardization either

2700
01:18:10,789 --> 01:18:12,789
lou or jody?

2701
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:15,940
Uh, so counselor, I think the

2702
01:18:15,940 --> 01:18:16,395
answer to that is um,

2703
01:18:16,395 --> 01:18:17,663
essentially what we have now is

2704
01:18:17,663 --> 01:18:18,797
a patchwork.

2705
01:18:18,797 --> 01:18:19,465
Uh, some of these trainings MAY

2706
01:18:19,465 --> 01:18:20,866
be very good.

2707
01:18:20,866 --> 01:18:21,967
Some of them MAY be

2708
01:18:21,967 --> 01:18:22,801
non-existent, some of them MAY

2709
01:18:22,801 --> 01:18:24,103
be middling.

2710
01:18:24,103 --> 01:18:25,571
But the point is we don't have

2711
01:18:25,571 --> 01:18:27,439
a uniform standard and that's

2712
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:27,639
why this is beneficial at its

2713
01:18:27,639 --> 01:18:29,441
base.

2714
01:18:29,441 --> 01:18:30,709
That's why this is beneficial

2715
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:32,378
guarantees a uniform standard

2716
01:18:32,378 --> 01:18:34,480
and everybody knows you know

2717
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:35,514
what's baked into the training

2718
01:18:35,514 --> 01:18:35,781
and it's promulgated by the

2719
01:18:35,781 --> 01:18:37,781
city.

2720
01:18:39,170 --> 01:18:39,885
Uh so I think that that is the

2721
01:18:39,885 --> 01:18:40,753
overwhelming benefit

2722
01:18:40,753 --> 01:18:41,353
of considering doing this.

2723
01:18:41,353 --> 01:18:42,988
Thank you.

2724
01:18:42,988 --> 01:18:44,560
>> one concern we've heard is

2725
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:45,910
that the ordinance could

2726
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:47,192
duplicate trainings and again

2727
01:18:47,192 --> 01:18:47,426
I've spoken to small business

2728
01:18:47,426 --> 01:18:49,426
owners.

2729
01:18:50,696 --> 01:18:52,164
I've spoken to um, some of uh

2730
01:18:52,164 --> 01:18:53,432
our large institutions already

2731
01:18:53,432 --> 01:18:55,501
about this ordinance and I've

2732
01:18:55,501 --> 01:18:58,203
heard their concerns from um

2733
01:18:58,203 --> 01:19:00,472
especially our um, black owned

2734
01:19:00,472 --> 01:19:02,141
uh, companies and know that

2735
01:19:02,141 --> 01:19:03,108
there are especially for our

2736
01:19:03,108 --> 01:19:03,375
small business that there are

2737
01:19:03,375 --> 01:19:05,110
concerns.

2738
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:07,450
So what could we do?

2739
01:19:07,450 --> 01:19:08,313
Um, is there a way to recognize

2740
01:19:08,313 --> 01:19:09,581
strong existing programs while

2741
01:19:09,581 --> 01:19:10,650
still making sure every worker

2742
01:19:10,650 --> 01:19:10,883
meets the same minimum standard

2743
01:19:10,883 --> 01:19:12,883
?

2744
01:19:14,353 --> 01:19:15,621
I think it's important to talk

2745
01:19:15,621 --> 01:19:16,588
to those people providing the

2746
01:19:16,588 --> 01:19:19,910
training and find out what they

2747
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:20,259
have to say and look, uh, a

2748
01:19:20,259 --> 01:19:21,326
good idea is a good idea

2749
01:19:21,326 --> 01:19:21,560
regardless of where it comes

2750
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:22,795
from.

2751
01:19:22,795 --> 01:19:24,620
So if there's training that

2752
01:19:24,620 --> 01:19:25,531
helps enhance what we're doing

2753
01:19:25,531 --> 01:19:26,999
here or we learn things in the

2754
01:19:26,999 --> 01:19:27,466
industry, that's all work we

2755
01:19:27,466 --> 01:19:29,466
should do.

2756
01:19:29,501 --> 01:19:30,469
Uh, so but to answer your

2757
01:19:30,469 --> 01:19:31,737
question, I think it's

2758
01:19:31,737 --> 01:19:32,371
important to have those

2759
01:19:32,371 --> 01:19:34,371
conversations and understand

2760
01:19:35,107 --> 01:19:36,375
what the landscape is and see

2761
01:19:36,375 --> 01:19:37,676
if there are things that we can

2762
01:19:37,676 --> 01:19:37,910
replicate or take or borrow or

2763
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:39,910
enhance.

2764
01:19:40,412 --> 01:19:41,847
Um, so that's what I would say.

2765
01:19:41,847 --> 01:19:43,715
Thank you.

2766
01:19:43,715 --> 01:19:44,883
And then what do you think like

2767
01:19:44,883 --> 01:19:47,152
the council especially when we

2768
01:19:47,152 --> 01:19:48,821
talk about um you know for our

2769
01:19:48,821 --> 01:19:49,955
small businesses but and we

2770
01:19:49,955 --> 01:19:52,591
know there are a lot of large

2771
01:19:52,591 --> 01:19:53,580
players here as well um, how do

2772
01:19:53,580 --> 01:19:54,930
we do this work?

2773
01:19:54,930 --> 01:19:55,194
And I'm sure we'll hear

2774
01:19:55,194 --> 01:19:56,662
testimony and we've received it

2775
01:19:56,662 --> 01:19:59,620
as well without creating

2776
01:19:59,131 --> 01:20:01,531
unnecessary barriers of entry

2777
01:20:01,967 --> 01:20:03,836
or of continuation for workers

2778
01:20:03,836 --> 01:20:04,703
and employers, many of whom

2779
01:20:04,703 --> 01:20:06,571
have already expressed that

2780
01:20:06,571 --> 01:20:07,390
they do some some level

2781
01:20:07,390 --> 01:20:09,390
of training already.

2782
01:20:12,911 --> 01:20:14,179
Uh, I would say again

2783
01:20:14,179 --> 01:20:15,281
council those folks we have to

2784
01:20:15,281 --> 01:20:16,316
talk to we have to talk to

2785
01:20:16,316 --> 01:20:18,500
folks about the burdens of this

2786
01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:19,518
and what it in genders and

2787
01:20:19,518 --> 01:20:21,620
ensure that, you know, those

2788
01:20:21,620 --> 01:20:22,654
folks are heard from and that

2789
01:20:22,654 --> 01:20:24,656
they're protected and that

2790
01:20:24,656 --> 01:20:25,724
we're not sort of unnecessarily

2791
01:20:25,724 --> 01:20:26,591
doing something to important

2792
01:20:26,591 --> 01:20:27,426
neighborhood businesses or

2793
01:20:27,426 --> 01:20:28,460
something like that.

2794
01:20:28,460 --> 01:20:29,270
These are just conversations we

2795
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:29,528
have to have.

2796
01:20:29,528 --> 01:20:30,162
Thank you.

2797
01:20:30,162 --> 01:20:30,496
>> thank you.

2798
01:20:30,496 --> 01:20:31,230
Those are.

2799
01:20:31,230 --> 01:20:33,230
>> my questions.

2800
01:20:33,365 --> 01:20:36,680
i think I did five minutes um

2801
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,337
going to um look to my

2802
01:20:38,337 --> 01:20:38,671
colleagues for any second round

2803
01:20:38,671 --> 01:20:40,671
of questions.

2804
01:20:40,873 --> 01:20:41,507
I see your light and I know

2805
01:20:41,507 --> 01:20:41,974
council coburn MAY have

2806
01:20:41,974 --> 01:20:43,408
questions.

2807
01:20:43,408 --> 01:20:44,676
I was very generous on the

2808
01:20:44,676 --> 01:20:46,110
front end with seven minutes.

2809
01:20:46,110 --> 01:20:47,312
I also do want to make sure

2810
01:20:47,312 --> 01:20:49,140
that we can get to our work uh

2811
01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:50,282
to our to our next panel and I

2812
01:20:50,282 --> 01:20:51,350
then do want to make sure that

2813
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:52,651
we can get to public testimony.

2814
01:20:52,651 --> 01:20:53,752
I do not have a second round.

2815
01:20:53,752 --> 01:20:54,720
The lead sponsor does not have

2816
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:55,521
a second round counter flynn,

2817
01:20:55,521 --> 01:20:56,922
you have a second round.

2818
01:20:56,922 --> 01:20:57,289
You have three minutes for that

2819
01:20:57,289 --> 01:20:58,691
second round.

2820
01:20:58,691 --> 01:21:00,691
Thank you.

2821
01:21:03,796 --> 01:21:06,265
>> lou did you reach out to

2822
01:21:06,265 --> 01:21:07,132
beckman on this issue and if so

2823
01:21:07,132 --> 01:21:09,167
what was their response?

2824
01:21:09,167 --> 01:21:10,235
Uh counselor, I think I

2825
01:21:10,235 --> 01:21:11,303
answered that in the first

2826
01:21:11,303 --> 01:21:12,671
instance and said that beckman

2827
01:21:12,671 --> 01:21:13,472
is a group that we need to talk

2828
01:21:13,472 --> 01:21:14,106
to, but we have not yet.

2829
01:21:14,106 --> 01:21:16,106
Okay.

2830
01:21:16,341 --> 01:21:16,775
>> a little I'm just asking you

2831
01:21:16,775 --> 01:21:18,644
a question.

2832
01:21:18,644 --> 01:21:19,110
I'm just respectfully asking a

2833
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:20,145
question him.

2834
01:21:20,145 --> 01:21:20,412
And I'm pointing out it's a

2835
01:21:20,412 --> 01:21:21,460
question.

2836
01:21:21,460 --> 01:21:21,246
>> I already answered.

2837
01:21:21,246 --> 01:21:23,246
Okay.

2838
01:21:25,284 --> 01:21:26,752
>> so do you want to provide

2839
01:21:26,752 --> 01:21:26,985
any additional information on

2840
01:21:26,985 --> 01:21:27,953
that.

2841
01:21:27,953 --> 01:21:28,954
>> that I've reached out to

2842
01:21:28,954 --> 01:21:29,321
them and that we have in

2843
01:21:29,321 --> 01:21:30,155
contact again?

2844
01:21:30,155 --> 01:21:31,723
Yeah no.

2845
01:21:31,723 --> 01:21:32,591
>> I don't that's all I have to

2846
01:21:32,591 --> 01:21:34,591
say okay.

2847
01:21:38,297 --> 01:21:38,964
Lou what's the status of the uh

2848
01:21:38,964 --> 01:21:40,964
civilian flag positions?

2849
01:21:47,272 --> 01:21:48,541
Uh, we are working so that uh

2850
01:21:48,541 --> 01:21:50,776
there are two aspects of that.

2851
01:21:50,776 --> 01:21:54,313
Uh, there is an rfp that we put

2852
01:21:54,313 --> 01:21:56,782
out uh, relative to an app that

2853
01:21:56,782 --> 01:21:57,883
operates uh, those that uh is

2854
01:21:57,883 --> 01:21:59,751
proceeding along and we are

2855
01:21:59,751 --> 01:22:02,151
also have another uh

2856
01:22:02,221 --> 01:22:03,889
procurement where we have um

2857
01:22:03,889 --> 01:22:05,157
it's been won by the ed davis

2858
01:22:05,157 --> 01:22:06,825
company and we are working

2859
01:22:06,825 --> 01:22:09,225
through uh, the process

2860
01:22:10,129 --> 01:22:13,432
of prospect of setting up uh,

2861
01:22:13,432 --> 01:22:13,899
that program now um, we've had

2862
01:22:13,899 --> 01:22:15,899
um.

2863
01:22:16,535 --> 01:22:19,535
Uh it's been slow largely

2864
01:22:19,838 --> 01:22:20,272
because of the app but um it is

2865
01:22:20,272 --> 01:22:22,272
proceeding apace.

2866
01:22:23,341 --> 01:22:24,409
I can get, uh, more detailed

2867
01:22:24,409 --> 01:22:24,843
information and update you if

2868
01:22:24,843 --> 01:22:25,644
that's helpful.

2869
01:22:25,644 --> 01:22:27,479
Sure.

2870
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:28,146
>> and let me I have another

2871
01:22:28,146 --> 01:22:29,781
minute left.

2872
01:22:29,781 --> 01:22:31,490
But why don't you think it

2873
01:22:31,490 --> 01:22:32,317
wasn't important for you to

2874
01:22:32,317 --> 01:22:34,553
reach out to beckman?

2875
01:22:34,553 --> 01:22:37,553
Wouldn't they play a critical

2876
01:22:37,823 --> 01:22:39,291
role in ensuring that small

2877
01:22:39,291 --> 01:22:40,159
businesses owned by people

2878
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:41,593
of color are included?

2879
01:22:41,593 --> 01:22:42,694
Council I I don't know if

2880
01:22:42,694 --> 01:22:43,963
something's getting lost in the

2881
01:22:43,963 --> 01:22:45,197
translation here, but what I've

2882
01:22:45,197 --> 01:22:46,231
said twice is that we've

2883
01:22:46,231 --> 01:22:47,332
reached out to beckman.

2884
01:22:47,332 --> 01:22:49,670
>> I haven't talked to them.

2885
01:22:49,670 --> 01:22:49,702
I'm asking no no no no.

2886
01:22:49,702 --> 01:22:50,936
No no no.

2887
01:22:50,936 --> 01:22:53,336
>> no no no I'm.

2888
01:22:53,572 --> 01:22:54,940
Okay I am now I am I am now

2889
01:22:54,940 --> 01:22:56,108
interjecting councilor flynn

2890
01:22:56,108 --> 01:22:56,508
you have asked a question he

2891
01:22:56,508 --> 01:22:57,509
has answered it.

2892
01:22:57,509 --> 01:22:57,776
If you have an additional

2893
01:22:57,776 --> 01:22:59,776
question.

2894
01:23:00,412 --> 01:23:02,515
Yes I'm asking so why don't you

2895
01:23:02,515 --> 01:23:04,383
think it was important during

2896
01:23:04,383 --> 01:23:05,851
this conversation to reach out

2897
01:23:05,851 --> 01:23:06,651
to black and brown?

2898
01:23:06,651 --> 01:23:07,920
Counselor.

2899
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:08,520
>> I don't agree with the

2900
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,289
premise of your question.

2901
01:23:10,289 --> 01:23:11,423
We reached out to beckman.

2902
01:23:11,423 --> 01:23:12,891
We haven't had the opportunity

2903
01:23:12,891 --> 01:23:13,158
to talk to them yet, but we

2904
01:23:13,158 --> 01:23:13,959
fully.

2905
01:23:13,959 --> 01:23:15,594
Intend to do so.

2906
01:23:15,594 --> 01:23:17,429
Well I'm asked we.

2907
01:23:17,429 --> 01:23:17,897
Fully intend to talk to beckman

2908
01:23:17,897 --> 01:23:18,497
low.

2909
01:23:18,497 --> 01:23:19,331
I'm asking.

2910
01:23:19,331 --> 01:23:19,965
He has.

2911
01:23:19,965 --> 01:23:20,565
>> asked and.

2912
01:23:20,565 --> 01:23:21,660
>> answered your.

2913
01:23:21,660 --> 01:23:22,467
Question, MADAM Chair.

2914
01:23:22,467 --> 01:23:24,903
I'm being respectful to them.

2915
01:23:24,903 --> 01:23:25,737
I'm asking in a polite manner.

2916
01:23:25,737 --> 01:23:26,972
I'm asking.

2917
01:23:26,972 --> 01:23:27,973
Questions that I feel.

2918
01:23:27,973 --> 01:23:29,973
Are important.

2919
01:23:30,442 --> 01:23:33,111
I do want to ensure that black

2920
01:23:33,111 --> 01:23:34,413
and brown small businesses are

2921
01:23:34,413 --> 01:23:36,813
heard during this discussion.

2922
01:23:37,449 --> 01:23:39,518
I support this proposal well I

2923
01:23:39,518 --> 01:23:41,586
want I know the important role

2924
01:23:41,586 --> 01:23:44,489
security guards do play in the

2925
01:23:44,489 --> 01:23:45,757
city, but I also want to know

2926
01:23:45,757 --> 01:23:48,260
that black and brown.

2927
01:23:48,260 --> 01:23:49,895
Businesses are going to be

2928
01:23:49,895 --> 01:23:52,131
heard during this process.

2929
01:23:52,131 --> 01:23:52,598
I'm being respectful to you but

2930
01:23:52,598 --> 01:23:54,598
I also.

2931
01:23:55,233 --> 01:23:55,701
Expect that you are respectful

2932
01:23:55,701 --> 01:23:56,468
to me as well.

2933
01:23:56,468 --> 01:23:56,869
I am respectful to you.

2934
01:23:56,869 --> 01:23:58,869
Okay you.

2935
01:23:59,104 --> 01:23:59,371
>> sound like the answer is

2936
01:23:59,371 --> 01:24:01,371
yes.

2937
01:24:01,406 --> 01:24:02,774
Okay thank you.

2938
01:24:02,774 --> 01:24:03,375
>> that is time we are thank

2939
01:24:03,375 --> 01:24:04,810
you for being here.

2940
01:24:04,810 --> 01:24:05,577
Thank you jody we are moving on

2941
01:24:05,577 --> 01:24:07,813
to our second panel.

2942
01:24:07,813 --> 01:24:08,647
If you could please have uh,

2943
01:24:08,647 --> 01:24:10,349
kevin brown executive vice

2944
01:24:10,349 --> 01:24:11,683
PRESIDENT Of 32.

2945
01:24:11,683 --> 01:24:12,751
Pj, if you could please have

2946
01:24:12,751 --> 01:24:14,751
stanley watching.

2947
01:24:15,187 --> 01:24:16,455
Uh, security guard if you could

2948
01:24:16,455 --> 01:24:17,889
please have tonya brown powell.

2949
01:24:17,889 --> 01:24:19,889
Oh.

2950
01:24:20,926 --> 01:24:21,993
>> you had okay you had a

2951
01:24:21,993 --> 01:24:23,695
second round of questions for

2952
01:24:23,695 --> 01:24:24,896
the for this panel.

2953
01:24:24,896 --> 01:24:26,331
Well okay.

2954
01:24:26,331 --> 01:24:28,331
Them in writing.

2955
01:24:28,601 --> 01:24:29,434
Thank you thank you

2956
01:24:29,434 --> 01:24:30,702
council thank you and apologies

2957
01:24:30,702 --> 01:24:32,237
but yes thank you for allowing

2958
01:24:32,237 --> 01:24:33,905
us to move on to the second

2959
01:24:33,905 --> 01:24:35,273
thank you when we already have

2960
01:24:35,273 --> 01:24:35,874
a few questions that we have to

2961
01:24:35,874 --> 01:24:37,175
submit in writing.

2962
01:24:37,175 --> 01:24:38,143
So we could just add those on

2963
01:24:38,143 --> 01:24:39,110
and the administration can

2964
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:41,110
answer thank you.

2965
01:24:41,247 --> 01:24:41,513
If uh the panel can please

2966
01:24:41,513 --> 01:24:43,513
proceed.

2967
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:47,350
Tanya brown powell, jeff

2968
01:24:47,452 --> 01:24:49,852
franchetti and kim rodriguez.

2969
01:24:51,523 --> 01:24:54,626
We also have virtually with us

2970
01:24:54,626 --> 01:24:54,860
rob cook who will be testifying

2971
01:24:54,860 --> 01:24:56,860
last.

2972
01:25:08,473 --> 01:25:09,474
Good.

2973
01:25:09,474 --> 01:25:11,509
What is now okay.

2974
01:25:11,509 --> 01:25:13,178
No we're still good morning at

2975
01:25:13,178 --> 01:25:13,445
1125 okay good morning

2976
01:25:13,445 --> 01:25:14,450
everyone.

2977
01:25:14,450 --> 01:25:14,513
Thank you for.

2978
01:25:14,513 --> 01:25:14,913
>> being.

2979
01:25:14,913 --> 01:25:16,581
With us.

2980
01:25:16,581 --> 01:25:17,160
Uh we are going to start this

2981
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:18,650
panel.

2982
01:25:18,650 --> 01:25:20,151
Um and this is a panel

2983
01:25:20,151 --> 01:25:20,786
of advocates uh we are going to

2984
01:25:20,786 --> 01:25:22,621
start with kevin.

2985
01:25:22,621 --> 01:25:24,289
Kevin, you have the floor and

2986
01:25:24,289 --> 01:25:25,157
then you can hot potato pass it

2987
01:25:25,157 --> 01:25:27,557
to the next person.

2988
01:25:27,792 --> 01:25:29,270
Uh.

2989
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:31,427
,thank you, MADAM Chair.

2990
01:25:32,264 --> 01:25:33,265
Uh, thank you,

2991
01:25:33,265 --> 01:25:33,699
COUNCILMAN Santana for

2992
01:25:33,699 --> 01:25:35,699
sponsoring this.

2993
01:25:35,734 --> 01:25:36,501
And, uh, thank you,

2994
01:25:36,501 --> 01:25:37,736
council PRESIDENT Breadon.

2995
01:25:37,736 --> 01:25:38,570
My name is kevin brown.

2996
01:25:38,570 --> 01:25:39,971
I'm the.

2997
01:25:39,971 --> 01:25:41,971
Director of 32 bjc.

2998
01:25:42,441 --> 01:25:42,874
I use new england district and

2999
01:25:42,874 --> 01:25:44,874
we represent.

3000
01:25:44,910 --> 01:25:47,310
22,000 service workers here in

3001
01:25:47,412 --> 01:25:48,881
the new england area and 8500

3002
01:25:48,881 --> 01:25:50,148
essential workers that work

3003
01:25:50,148 --> 01:25:52,250
here in the city of boston,

3004
01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:54,119
including more than 1800

3005
01:25:54,119 --> 01:25:54,353
officers who work within the

3006
01:25:54,353 --> 01:25:56,353
city.

3007
01:25:56,388 --> 01:25:58,290
Confines who carry out this

3008
01:25:58,290 --> 01:25:59,958
difficult work of keeping

3009
01:25:59,958 --> 01:26:00,625
bostonians safe and secure

3010
01:26:00,625 --> 01:26:02,625
every single day.

3011
01:26:03,662 --> 01:26:04,730
We strongly support this

3012
01:26:04,730 --> 01:26:06,231
ordinance, which would require

3013
01:26:06,231 --> 01:26:07,699
security companies to pay for

3014
01:26:07,699 --> 01:26:10,990
in-person training for all

3015
01:26:10,569 --> 01:26:12,471
unarmed security officers, 40

3016
01:26:12,471 --> 01:26:14,172
hours for new hires and eight

3017
01:26:14,172 --> 01:26:16,208
hours every year thereafter.

3018
01:26:16,208 --> 01:26:17,242
The city would certify the

3019
01:26:17,242 --> 01:26:19,544
training programs as you've

3020
01:26:19,544 --> 01:26:19,811
heard and ensure that they are

3021
01:26:19,811 --> 01:26:21,811
qualified.

3022
01:26:22,881 --> 01:26:23,749
Currently there is no legal

3023
01:26:23,749 --> 01:26:25,749
requirement for unarmed

3024
01:26:25,817 --> 01:26:27,285
security officers for training

3025
01:26:27,285 --> 01:26:27,719
here in boston or in the

3026
01:26:27,719 --> 01:26:29,719
commonwealth.

3027
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:33,580
In contrast, most states

3028
01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:34,726
nationwide now mandate training

3029
01:26:34,726 --> 01:26:36,726
for unarmed officers.

3030
01:26:36,761 --> 01:26:37,229
This should be a concern for

3031
01:26:37,229 --> 01:26:39,229
all of us.

3032
01:26:39,865 --> 01:26:42,367
Boston is a global hub for

3033
01:26:42,367 --> 01:26:43,235
higher education, life sciences

3034
01:26:43,235 --> 01:26:45,235
and health care.

3035
01:26:45,871 --> 01:26:47,973
These industries, which are

3036
01:26:47,973 --> 01:26:49,841
driving job growth in the city,

3037
01:26:49,841 --> 01:26:52,241
contract heavily from security

3038
01:26:52,344 --> 01:26:54,120
firms and depend on over 9000

3039
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:55,280
officers as you have heard to

3040
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:56,148
keep these buildings and

3041
01:26:56,148 --> 01:26:58,148
facilities safe.

3042
01:26:59,417 --> 01:27:02,417
This is grueling work standing

3043
01:27:02,921 --> 01:27:04,389
up hour after hour, day after

3044
01:27:04,389 --> 01:27:06,659
day, paying attention and being

3045
01:27:06,659 --> 01:27:08,894
eyes and ears is grueling work.

3046
01:27:08,894 --> 01:27:11,294
We've heard about hatchet

3047
01:27:11,396 --> 01:27:13,396
fights, machete wielding

3048
01:27:14,499 --> 01:27:16,499
trespassers, overdoses and

3049
01:27:16,968 --> 01:27:18,871
of course lost children and

3050
01:27:18,871 --> 01:27:20,338
security officers a workforce

3051
01:27:20,338 --> 01:27:22,607
primarily made up of people

3052
01:27:22,607 --> 01:27:24,910
of color with 61% identifying

3053
01:27:24,910 --> 01:27:25,977
as black are themselves

3054
01:27:25,977 --> 01:27:28,377
frequently in harm's way.

3055
01:27:28,847 --> 01:27:30,315
In DECEMBER of last year, a

3056
01:27:30,315 --> 01:27:31,383
security officer at boston

3057
01:27:31,383 --> 01:27:33,852
medical center was left in

3058
01:27:33,852 --> 01:27:35,120
critical condition after being

3059
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,989
stabbed by a hospital visitor.

3060
01:27:37,989 --> 01:27:39,570
These types of incidents

3061
01:27:39,570 --> 01:27:40,525
contribute to the high rate

3062
01:27:40,525 --> 01:27:40,959
of turnover we see in the

3063
01:27:40,959 --> 01:27:42,794
industry.

3064
01:27:42,794 --> 01:27:44,463
That means that emergencies

3065
01:27:44,463 --> 01:27:45,764
must frequently be handled by

3066
01:27:45,764 --> 01:27:46,931
newly hired officers who

3067
01:27:46,931 --> 01:27:48,931
haven't been comprehensively

3068
01:27:50,435 --> 01:27:50,969
trained or trained at all,

3069
01:27:50,969 --> 01:27:52,203
despite what the.

3070
01:27:52,203 --> 01:27:54,603
Contractors MAY tell you.

3071
01:27:55,174 --> 01:27:56,841
The best way to combat turnover

3072
01:27:56,841 --> 01:27:58,310
is of course by increasing

3073
01:27:58,310 --> 01:28:00,310
compensation including

3074
01:28:00,378 --> 01:28:02,378
providing quality affordable

3075
01:28:02,881 --> 01:28:04,783
health care and in the meantime

3076
01:28:04,783 --> 01:28:06,251
a robust training standard is a

3077
01:28:06,251 --> 01:28:07,419
good starting point for

3078
01:28:07,419 --> 01:28:08,860
professionalizing boston's

3079
01:28:08,860 --> 01:28:10,860
security workforce.

3080
01:28:11,356 --> 01:28:13,258
This legislation will empower

3081
01:28:13,258 --> 01:28:14,459
security officers to.

3082
01:28:14,459 --> 01:28:16,361
Better protect themselves and

3083
01:28:16,361 --> 01:28:17,829
the public by giving them real

3084
01:28:17,829 --> 01:28:19,297
world skills that they need

3085
01:28:19,297 --> 01:28:20,965
perform their duties including

3086
01:28:20,965 --> 01:28:23,340
life saving first aid

3087
01:28:23,340 --> 01:28:23,368
techniques and conflicts on

3088
01:28:23,368 --> 01:28:25,368
de-escalation.

3089
01:28:25,737 --> 01:28:27,405
It is time that boston joined

3090
01:28:27,405 --> 01:28:28,874
the list of localities that

3091
01:28:28,874 --> 01:28:29,341
have common sense training

3092
01:28:29,341 --> 01:28:30,275
requirements.

3093
01:28:30,275 --> 01:28:32,275
Thank you.

3094
01:28:32,277 --> 01:28:33,378
>> I also want to speak to the

3095
01:28:33,378 --> 01:28:34,245
question that was raised about

3096
01:28:34,245 --> 01:28:36,245
why now?

3097
01:28:37,316 --> 01:28:38,583
Um we intend we are in

3098
01:28:38,583 --> 01:28:39,851
collective bargaining, uh, with

3099
01:28:39,851 --> 01:28:40,619
the security contractors

3100
01:28:40,619 --> 01:28:42,855
of boston at the moment.

3101
01:28:42,855 --> 01:28:45,255
Uh, that contract actually

3102
01:28:45,357 --> 01:28:46,825
expired uh, JULY 31st and we

3103
01:28:46,825 --> 01:28:48,894
intend on tuesday at our next

3104
01:28:48,894 --> 01:28:50,762
bargaining to present to them a

3105
01:28:50,762 --> 01:28:51,296
training program that we have.

3106
01:28:51,296 --> 01:28:53,296
At 32.

3107
01:28:54,366 --> 01:28:55,801
Bjj for tens of thousands

3108
01:28:55,801 --> 01:28:57,269
of officers in the new york and

3109
01:28:57,269 --> 01:28:58,937
new jersey area, uh, which is

3110
01:28:58,937 --> 01:29:00,500
already in place in both new

3111
01:29:00,500 --> 01:29:01,706
york and new jersey have

3112
01:29:01,706 --> 01:29:02,774
requirements for training but

3113
01:29:02,774 --> 01:29:05,644
we don't have that here.

3114
01:29:05,644 --> 01:29:06,311
So the cost of that is $312 a

3115
01:29:06,311 --> 01:29:07,746
month per officer.

3116
01:29:07,746 --> 01:29:09,147
So if a company.

3117
01:29:09,147 --> 01:29:10,615
You know employs 100 people

3118
01:29:10,615 --> 01:29:12,284
that's you know not a lot

3119
01:29:12,284 --> 01:29:14,284
of money so $30,000.

3120
01:29:14,553 --> 01:29:15,186
So uh we think that that's you

3121
01:29:15,186 --> 01:29:17,186
know there's no.

3122
01:29:17,622 --> 01:29:17,889
You can't put a price on safety

3123
01:29:17,889 --> 01:29:19,889
.

3124
01:29:19,925 --> 01:29:20,392
Um and we believe that it's

3125
01:29:20,392 --> 01:29:21,726
high time.

3126
01:29:21,726 --> 01:29:23,762
That we take care.

3127
01:29:23,762 --> 01:29:24,429
Of this and fix this, um, in

3128
01:29:24,429 --> 01:29:26,640
the future.

3129
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:26,298
And I also want to respond to

3130
01:29:26,298 --> 01:29:26,731
the.

3131
01:29:26,731 --> 01:29:28,667
>> fact.

3132
01:29:28,667 --> 01:29:30,135
That, um, you know, we do have

3133
01:29:30,135 --> 01:29:31,236
too many colleges in the area

3134
01:29:31,236 --> 01:29:33,104
which already have can provide

3135
01:29:33,104 --> 01:29:34,572
this training and also the 32

3136
01:29:34,572 --> 01:29:35,841
B.J. Uh, thomas sherman

3137
01:29:35,841 --> 01:29:36,508
training fund can provide this

3138
01:29:36,508 --> 01:29:37,442
training as well.

3139
01:29:37,442 --> 01:29:37,876
And we'd like to.

3140
01:29:37,876 --> 01:29:39,876
>> make.

3141
01:29:40,111 --> 01:29:40,979
Sure that our members um, those

3142
01:29:40,979 --> 01:29:41,580
3000 people.

3143
01:29:41,580 --> 01:29:42,948
Um.

3144
01:29:42,948 --> 01:29:45,170
>> could use the training fund,

3145
01:29:45,170 --> 01:29:45,484
uh, and then employers pay for

3146
01:29:45,484 --> 01:29:46,840
it.

3147
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,840
Thank you.

3148
01:29:48,220 --> 01:29:49,654
And now we want to hear from,

3149
01:29:49,654 --> 01:29:50,522
um, our security officers.

3150
01:29:50,522 --> 01:29:52,957
i think we're going to.

3151
01:29:52,957 --> 01:29:53,358
Begin with stanley king.

3152
01:29:53,358 --> 01:29:54,192
Kevin.

3153
01:29:54,192 --> 01:29:55,270
>> um.

3154
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:55,427
>> thank you.

3155
01:29:55,427 --> 01:29:56,861
Um.

3156
01:29:56,861 --> 01:29:57,262
Good afternoon.

3157
01:29:57,262 --> 01:29:58,296
Um.

3158
01:29:58,296 --> 01:30:00,131
Chair, vice chair.

3159
01:30:00,131 --> 01:30:01,399
And members of the committee

3160
01:30:01,399 --> 01:30:03,399
of government operations.

3161
01:30:03,435 --> 01:30:03,835
My name is stanley watching.

3162
01:30:03,835 --> 01:30:05,270
Third.

3163
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:06,938
>> I am a security.

3164
01:30:06,938 --> 01:30:07,639
Officer and a member.

3165
01:30:07,639 --> 01:30:09,441
>> of 32 pg.

3166
01:30:09,441 --> 01:30:10,408
And I'm here today in support.

3167
01:30:10,408 --> 01:30:11,409
>> of this ordinance.

3168
01:30:11,409 --> 01:30:13,440
Requiring training.

3169
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:13,912
For private security officers

3170
01:30:13,912 --> 01:30:15,547
in boston.

3171
01:30:15,547 --> 01:30:17,983
I want to start with a simple.

3172
01:30:17,983 --> 01:30:19,417
Question how can we.

3173
01:30:19,417 --> 01:30:19,751
Expect security officers to.

3174
01:30:19,751 --> 01:30:21,751
Protect the.

3175
01:30:21,986 --> 01:30:22,587
>> public if we're not.

3176
01:30:22,587 --> 01:30:23,421
Given the tools.

3177
01:30:23,421 --> 01:30:24,456
And training.

3178
01:30:24,456 --> 01:30:26,456
>> to protect ourselves?

3179
01:30:27,125 --> 01:30:28,994
When I first started working at

3180
01:30:28,994 --> 01:30:31,394
boston public library I

3181
01:30:32,297 --> 01:30:34,165
received no training and oh and

3182
01:30:34,165 --> 01:30:36,835
it but from day one.

3183
01:30:36,835 --> 01:30:38,503
I was expected to handle

3184
01:30:38,503 --> 01:30:40,503
difficult situations involving

3185
01:30:40,772 --> 01:30:41,840
mental health crisis,

3186
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,840
homelessness, disruptive

3187
01:30:44,542 --> 01:30:44,810
behavior and confrontation with

3188
01:30:44,810 --> 01:30:46,810
patrons.

3189
01:30:47,245 --> 01:30:48,313
I was expected to respond

3190
01:30:48,313 --> 01:30:49,981
professionally and keep

3191
01:30:49,981 --> 01:30:51,490
everybody safe, but no one had

3192
01:30:51,490 --> 01:30:53,285
prepared me for these moments.

3193
01:30:53,285 --> 01:30:54,753
I wanted to do the right thing

3194
01:30:54,753 --> 01:30:56,210
but I often do not know the

3195
01:30:56,210 --> 01:30:56,254
safest or most effective way to

3196
01:30:56,254 --> 01:30:58,254
respond.

3197
01:30:58,290 --> 01:30:59,958
That's not fair to security

3198
01:30:59,958 --> 01:31:00,425
officers and it's not fair to

3199
01:31:00,425 --> 01:31:02,425
the public.

3200
01:31:02,661 --> 01:31:05,163
later when I transfer to

3201
01:31:05,163 --> 01:31:06,832
faneuil hall I only received

3202
01:31:06,832 --> 01:31:08,199
maybe a few hours of training

3203
01:31:08,199 --> 01:31:11,269
before being put on the job.

3204
01:31:11,269 --> 01:31:12,738
Then one day a fight broke out

3205
01:31:12,738 --> 01:31:12,971
between a coworker and a

3206
01:31:12,971 --> 01:31:14,971
patron.

3207
01:31:16,241 --> 01:31:17,309
Only after that incident did

3208
01:31:17,309 --> 01:31:17,542
some additional training begin

3209
01:31:17,542 --> 01:31:19,542
.

3210
01:31:19,577 --> 01:31:20,445
Training should not come after

3211
01:31:20,445 --> 01:31:22,800
someone gets hurt.

3212
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,783
It should come before anyone

3213
01:31:24,783 --> 01:31:25,500
gets hurt so hopefully it never

3214
01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:27,500
happens.

3215
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:29,387
Boston depends on thousands

3216
01:31:29,387 --> 01:31:30,540
of security officers every

3217
01:31:30,540 --> 01:31:32,540
single day.

3218
01:31:33,291 --> 01:31:35,691
We protect hospitals, libraries

3219
01:31:36,595 --> 01:31:38,595
,office buildings, hotels,

3220
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:40,331
schools, laboratories and

3221
01:31:40,331 --> 01:31:42,330
historical landmarks for

3222
01:31:42,330 --> 01:31:43,935
example like friend or hall we

3223
01:31:43,935 --> 01:31:45,804
are often the first people to

3224
01:31:45,804 --> 01:31:47,804
respond before police,

3225
01:31:47,872 --> 01:31:49,274
firefighters or ems arrives

3226
01:31:49,274 --> 01:31:50,742
that responsibility and

3227
01:31:50,742 --> 01:31:51,176
deserves professional employer

3228
01:31:51,176 --> 01:31:53,176
pay training.

3229
01:31:53,211 --> 01:31:54,679
The ordinance will establish a

3230
01:31:54,679 --> 01:31:57,790
citywide training center that

3231
01:31:57,182 --> 01:31:59,251
includes de-escalation, cpr and

3232
01:31:59,251 --> 01:32:00,719
first aid, emergency response,

3233
01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:02,821
mental health awareness report

3234
01:32:02,821 --> 01:32:03,888
writing and skills we need to

3235
01:32:03,888 --> 01:32:04,122
keep ourselves in the public

3236
01:32:04,122 --> 01:32:06,122
safe.

3237
01:32:07,792 --> 01:32:09,461
It raises a standard not only

3238
01:32:09,461 --> 01:32:10,929
for workers but for every

3239
01:32:10,929 --> 01:32:11,996
person that walks through the

3240
01:32:11,996 --> 01:32:12,263
doors of the buildings that we

3241
01:32:12,263 --> 01:32:14,263
protect.

3242
01:32:14,265 --> 01:32:15,567
This isn't just about security

3243
01:32:15,567 --> 01:32:15,800
officers it's about public

3244
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:17,235
safety.

3245
01:32:17,235 --> 01:32:18,903
It's about making sure workers

3246
01:32:18,903 --> 01:32:20,772
are prepared before a crisis

3247
01:32:20,772 --> 01:32:22,772
happens, not after.

3248
01:32:23,808 --> 01:32:24,876
So today we're calling on the

3249
01:32:24,876 --> 01:32:27,345
boston city council to stand

3250
01:32:27,345 --> 01:32:28,847
with workers who demand and

3251
01:32:28,847 --> 01:32:29,314
stand up for the city every

3252
01:32:29,314 --> 01:32:31,314
single day.

3253
01:32:31,383 --> 01:32:32,851
Let's invest in protection

3254
01:32:32,851 --> 01:32:34,319
instead of reaction less,

3255
01:32:34,319 --> 01:32:34,786
invest in training instead

3256
01:32:34,786 --> 01:32:36,786
of tragedy.

3257
01:32:37,422 --> 01:32:38,890
And let's show boston that

3258
01:32:38,890 --> 01:32:41,290
security officers deserve their

3259
01:32:41,292 --> 01:32:42,361
respect, professionalism and

3260
01:32:42,361 --> 01:32:43,228
support that comes with

3261
01:32:43,228 --> 01:32:45,228
protecting our communities.

3262
01:32:45,297 --> 01:32:46,197
Thank you for your time and

3263
01:32:46,197 --> 01:32:46,465
I'll pass it to my fellow

3264
01:32:46,465 --> 01:32:47,632
colleague.

3265
01:32:47,632 --> 01:32:49,632
Thank you.

3266
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,303
Thank you thank you stanley.

3267
01:32:52,303 --> 01:32:54,500
Um, while there is no clapping

3268
01:32:54,500 --> 01:32:55,874
in chambers I appreciate your

3269
01:32:55,874 --> 01:32:56,307
share your testimony the chair

3270
01:32:56,307 --> 01:32:57,142
recognizes.

3271
01:32:57,142 --> 01:32:58,343
Is it tanya?

3272
01:32:58,343 --> 01:32:59,577
Are you tanya?

3273
01:32:59,577 --> 01:33:00,178
Tanya, you have the floor.

3274
01:33:00,178 --> 01:33:01,813
Okay.

3275
01:33:01,813 --> 01:33:03,648
>> so hello everyone.

3276
01:33:03,648 --> 01:33:05,884
My name is tanya paul brown.

3277
01:33:05,884 --> 01:33:07,752
Um, I've been working at the

3278
01:33:07,752 --> 01:33:10,210
library, uh, for six years now.

3279
01:33:10,210 --> 01:33:10,255
Um, and a proud member of 32 pj

3280
01:33:10,255 --> 01:33:12,255
.

3281
01:33:15,961 --> 01:33:18,463
Uh, I stand along my co um my

3282
01:33:18,463 --> 01:33:20,932
I'm sorry guys, I stand on the

3283
01:33:20,932 --> 01:33:23,932
side my, uh, fellow security

3284
01:33:24,436 --> 01:33:25,704
officers and we're demanding

3285
01:33:25,704 --> 01:33:27,171
better in constant training to

3286
01:33:27,171 --> 01:33:29,171
do our jobs.

3287
01:33:30,441 --> 01:33:32,911
I was intentionally trained on

3288
01:33:32,911 --> 01:33:36,415
line as well as at the library

3289
01:33:36,415 --> 01:33:38,884
on some of more basic

3290
01:33:38,884 --> 01:33:41,185
principles of security making

3291
01:33:41,185 --> 01:33:43,185
rounds, being vigilant.

3292
01:33:45,657 --> 01:33:46,825
But I'll be the first to tell

3293
01:33:46,825 --> 01:33:47,580
you after six years is not

3294
01:33:47,580 --> 01:33:49,580
enough.

3295
01:33:51,930 --> 01:33:53,198
Uh, at my job I have dealt with

3296
01:33:53,198 --> 01:33:55,198
overdose.

3297
01:33:55,233 --> 01:33:55,834
Um, needles.

3298
01:33:55,834 --> 01:33:56,668
Unattended needles.

3299
01:33:56,668 --> 01:33:58,668
Uh.

3300
01:34:00,939 --> 01:34:01,172
>> incidents where there's

3301
01:34:01,172 --> 01:34:01,906
fight.

3302
01:34:01,906 --> 01:34:04,306
Uh, the hatchet fight.

3303
01:34:06,377 --> 01:34:07,246
Um, overdose in bathroom

3304
01:34:07,246 --> 01:34:08,680
overdose outside.

3305
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,382
We have to continuously to call

3306
01:34:11,382 --> 01:34:13,510
the police all the time and not

3307
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:14,118
every time the police is there

3308
01:34:14,118 --> 01:34:16,118
like right away.

3309
01:34:16,554 --> 01:34:18,856
Um, sometimes it's the

3310
01:34:18,856 --> 01:34:20,910
firefighters and they come

3311
01:34:20,910 --> 01:34:22,491
quicker than the police.

3312
01:34:23,361 --> 01:34:25,290
But, um, just like we have to

3313
01:34:25,290 --> 01:34:26,899
explain to a lot of patrons

3314
01:34:26,899 --> 01:34:29,000
that, um, you know, we do our

3315
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,668
best as we try to make them

3316
01:34:30,668 --> 01:34:33,668
safe and keep ourselves safe.

3317
01:34:33,738 --> 01:34:34,539
Um, it's pretty hard.

3318
01:34:34,539 --> 01:34:36,539
Uh.

3319
01:34:39,211 --> 01:34:41,211
>> uh.

3320
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:44,680
>> the analyzing the training

3321
01:34:44,949 --> 01:34:46,618
across boston means that the

3322
01:34:46,618 --> 01:34:48,486
security officers are all

3323
01:34:48,486 --> 01:34:50,588
allowed the same protocol

3324
01:34:50,588 --> 01:34:52,657
working more ethically with law

3325
01:34:52,657 --> 01:34:55,657
enforcement when we need to

3326
01:34:56,995 --> 01:35:00,595
when to keep the public safer.

3327
01:35:03,101 --> 01:35:05,570
And as we as we expect the city

3328
01:35:05,570 --> 01:35:07,472
of boston stand with security

3329
01:35:07,472 --> 01:35:07,739
officers and support the

3330
01:35:07,739 --> 01:35:09,141
ordinance.

3331
01:35:09,141 --> 01:35:09,407
Thank you, thank you, thank you

3332
01:35:09,407 --> 01:35:10,141
.

3333
01:35:10,141 --> 01:35:11,900
Tanya, you did a.

3334
01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:11,442
>> you did a great job.

3335
01:35:11,442 --> 01:35:12,210
Thank thank you.

3336
01:35:12,210 --> 01:35:14,210
>> for your testimony.

3337
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:17,916
Um is next is it jeff.

3338
01:35:17,916 --> 01:35:18,349
Franchetti and.

3339
01:35:18,349 --> 01:35:19,684
You can.

3340
01:35:19,684 --> 01:35:20,451
>> just come up and share one

3341
01:35:20,451 --> 01:35:22,851
of the mics if.

3342
01:35:23,210 --> 01:35:23,288
>> you'd like I can with you

3343
01:35:23,288 --> 01:35:24,556
or.

3344
01:35:24,556 --> 01:35:25,323
>> you can just bring up your

3345
01:35:25,323 --> 01:35:26,191
chair as well and they.

3346
01:35:26,191 --> 01:35:26,958
>> could just make for the.

3347
01:35:26,958 --> 01:35:28,958
>> little people to.

3348
01:35:29,294 --> 01:35:29,761
Steer you.

3349
01:35:29,761 --> 01:35:30,161
>> yeah.

3350
01:35:30,161 --> 01:35:30,795
go ahead.

3351
01:35:30,795 --> 01:35:32,795
Um.

3352
01:35:33,831 --> 01:35:35,467
>> good afternoon.

3353
01:35:35,467 --> 01:35:36,334
Vice chair members of the

3354
01:35:36,334 --> 01:35:38,334
government operations.

3355
01:35:38,369 --> 01:35:39,604
Committee and the city council.

3356
01:35:39,604 --> 01:35:41,472
My name is jeffrey franchetti

3357
01:35:41,472 --> 01:35:41,806
and I'm a student at

3358
01:35:41,806 --> 01:35:43,806
northeastern.

3359
01:35:44,175 --> 01:35:45,244
I'm here today in support

3360
01:35:45,244 --> 01:35:46,711
of this ordinance requiring

3361
01:35:46,711 --> 01:35:47,779
training for private security

3362
01:35:47,779 --> 01:35:49,779
officers in boston.

3363
01:35:50,150 --> 01:35:51,215
And I is all other students

3364
01:35:51,215 --> 01:35:52,884
of northeastern benefit from

3365
01:35:52,884 --> 01:35:54,752
the workers at our school every

3366
01:35:54,752 --> 01:35:55,720
day, whether it's our

3367
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:57,622
classrooms being ready to learn

3368
01:35:57,622 --> 01:35:59,891
in every day because of our

3369
01:35:59,891 --> 01:36:01,359
custodians or dorms and labs

3370
01:36:01,359 --> 01:36:02,260
being safe to live and work in

3371
01:36:02,260 --> 01:36:04,495
because of our facilities

3372
01:36:04,495 --> 01:36:05,764
workers the people however, who

3373
01:36:05,764 --> 01:36:07,665
allow us to pursue our

3374
01:36:07,665 --> 01:36:08,299
education day or night are our

3375
01:36:08,299 --> 01:36:10,134
security guards.

3376
01:36:10,134 --> 01:36:11,200
The dorms we sleep in are

3377
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:12,437
protected by them.

3378
01:36:12,437 --> 01:36:13,871
The labs and classrooms we

3379
01:36:13,871 --> 01:36:14,339
learn in are protected by them

3380
01:36:14,339 --> 01:36:16,339
as well.

3381
01:36:16,374 --> 01:36:17,442
And the campus at night whether

3382
01:36:17,442 --> 01:36:19,310
it's we're studying or cramming

3383
01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:20,378
for tests is only accessible

3384
01:36:20,378 --> 01:36:22,814
because of them being there.

3385
01:36:22,814 --> 01:36:23,481
That's particularly important

3386
01:36:23,481 --> 01:36:24,917
to me.

3387
01:36:24,917 --> 01:36:26,317
My student organization meets

3388
01:36:26,317 --> 01:36:27,385
in a building that is open in

3389
01:36:27,385 --> 01:36:28,653
the late hours a night only

3390
01:36:28,653 --> 01:36:29,870
because security is always up

3391
01:36:29,870 --> 01:36:31,870
there.

3392
01:36:31,956 --> 01:36:33,224
Many of us are living away from

3393
01:36:33,224 --> 01:36:34,259
home for the first time, and

3394
01:36:34,259 --> 01:36:35,560
it's reassuring to know that

3395
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:36,270
security guards always have our

3396
01:36:36,270 --> 01:36:37,862
back.

3397
01:36:37,862 --> 01:36:39,130
They are the first people we

3398
01:36:39,130 --> 01:36:41,766
turn to if we need help.

3399
01:36:41,766 --> 01:36:42,533
We all assume they have basic

3400
01:36:42,533 --> 01:36:43,401
training and know what

3401
01:36:43,401 --> 01:36:44,602
protocols to follow in

3402
01:36:44,602 --> 01:36:46,237
different kinds of emergencies.

3403
01:36:46,237 --> 01:36:46,471
It's surprising to hear that

3404
01:36:46,471 --> 01:36:47,305
that's.

3405
01:36:47,305 --> 01:36:49,305
>> not required by.

3406
01:36:49,574 --> 01:36:50,808
Law, especially at institutions

3407
01:36:50,808 --> 01:36:53,208
where there are additional

3408
01:36:53,311 --> 01:36:54,579
security concerns like at

3409
01:36:54,579 --> 01:36:54,812
hospitals or universities like

3410
01:36:54,812 --> 01:36:56,812
mine.

3411
01:36:57,882 --> 01:36:59,350
And I think this ordinance

3412
01:36:59,350 --> 01:37:00,818
would change that and guarantee

3413
01:37:00,818 --> 01:37:02,687
that these things are

3414
01:37:02,687 --> 01:37:04,956
considered these workers are

3415
01:37:04,956 --> 01:37:05,723
inseparable from me and all

3416
01:37:05,723 --> 01:37:06,724
of my fellow students being

3417
01:37:06,724 --> 01:37:08,760
able to get our education.

3418
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,828
It's important to me that they

3419
01:37:10,828 --> 01:37:11,896
have good jobs, stable income

3420
01:37:11,896 --> 01:37:13,966
and the training to keep

3421
01:37:13,966 --> 01:37:15,333
themselves and us safe and

3422
01:37:15,333 --> 01:37:16,434
that's why I'm here today in

3423
01:37:16,434 --> 01:37:17,302
support of this bill as well as

3424
01:37:17,302 --> 01:37:17,802
a few other students.

3425
01:37:17,802 --> 01:37:18,603
Thank you.

3426
01:37:18,603 --> 01:37:20,380
Thank you.

3427
01:37:20,380 --> 01:37:20,205
>> um.

3428
01:37:20,205 --> 01:37:20,405
.

3429
01:37:20,405 --> 01:37:21,840
I.

3430
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:23,908
Finally remember my security

3431
01:37:23,908 --> 01:37:24,575
guards at college and they

3432
01:37:24,575 --> 01:37:26,411
really did.

3433
01:37:26,411 --> 01:37:27,245
So thank you for bringing that

3434
01:37:27,245 --> 01:37:27,512
element of being a student.

3435
01:37:27,512 --> 01:37:27,979
I think.

3436
01:37:27,979 --> 01:37:28,680
>> that's.

3437
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:30,680
Really, really important.

3438
01:37:31,749 --> 01:37:32,183
Um, next we're moving on to sam

3439
01:37:32,183 --> 01:37:33,418
rodriguez.

3440
01:37:33,418 --> 01:37:34,419
Is it rodriguez or rodriguez?

3441
01:37:34,419 --> 01:37:35,220
Rodriguez.

3442
01:37:35,220 --> 01:37:36,787
>> rodriguez okay.

3443
01:37:36,787 --> 01:37:37,255
>> sam rodriguez, you have the

3444
01:37:37,255 --> 01:37:38,489
floor.

3445
01:37:38,489 --> 01:37:39,724
I thank you very much.

3446
01:37:39,724 --> 01:37:40,525
Good morning.

3447
01:37:40,525 --> 01:37:41,159
My name is.

3448
01:37:41,159 --> 01:37:42,193
Samuel gomez.

3449
01:37:42,193 --> 01:37:44,193
Rodriguez junior.

3450
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:45,830
i've worked in the security.

3451
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:47,365
Industry for six years.

3452
01:37:47,365 --> 01:37:48,633
I have been.

3453
01:37:48,633 --> 01:37:50,201
Working at northeastern.

3454
01:37:50,201 --> 01:37:51,869
University as a northeast

3455
01:37:51,869 --> 01:37:52,537
security guard for the past

3456
01:37:52,537 --> 01:37:54,537
four years.

3457
01:37:57,842 --> 01:37:58,276
45 hours a week I patrol the

3458
01:37:58,276 --> 01:37:58,876
premises.

3459
01:37:58,876 --> 01:38:00,711
And help.

3460
01:38:00,711 --> 01:38:02,346
Visitors and respond to.

3461
01:38:02,346 --> 01:38:04,150
Incidents and make sure

3462
01:38:04,150 --> 01:38:04,282
everyone in my building is safe

3463
01:38:04,282 --> 01:38:06,282
.

3464
01:38:06,518 --> 01:38:07,585
Security officers are expected

3465
01:38:07,585 --> 01:38:08,185
to handle all types of.

3466
01:38:08,185 --> 01:38:10,185
Situations.

3467
01:38:10,621 --> 01:38:11,890
>> but many of us receive very

3468
01:38:11,890 --> 01:38:13,591
little training before being

3469
01:38:13,591 --> 01:38:16,227
thrown out into the field.

3470
01:38:16,227 --> 01:38:18,329
When I was hired I was

3471
01:38:18,329 --> 01:38:18,763
fortunate because I had prior

3472
01:38:18,763 --> 01:38:20,598
experience.

3473
01:38:20,598 --> 01:38:22,660
However, a majority of my

3474
01:38:22,660 --> 01:38:24,466
fellow officers do not.

3475
01:38:25,536 --> 01:38:27,205
Turnovers are extremely high in

3476
01:38:27,205 --> 01:38:29,307
this industry because of the

3477
01:38:29,307 --> 01:38:31,376
wages and the benefits to not

3478
01:38:31,376 --> 01:38:32,844
keep up with the cost of living

3479
01:38:32,844 --> 01:38:33,770
here in the greater boston

3480
01:38:33,770 --> 01:38:35,770
area.

3481
01:38:35,714 --> 01:38:38,783
I am thankful to have a job.

3482
01:38:38,783 --> 01:38:41,783
However it can be better.

3483
01:38:42,220 --> 01:38:44,620
We want affordable healthcare,

3484
01:38:44,922 --> 01:38:46,991
livable wages and we want

3485
01:38:46,991 --> 01:38:48,660
proper training so we can keep

3486
01:38:48,660 --> 01:38:51,296
ourselves and the public safe.

3487
01:38:51,296 --> 01:38:53,696
At my work site.

3488
01:38:53,731 --> 01:38:55,731
Incidents always occur.

3489
01:38:56,367 --> 01:38:58,469
Security officers always their

3490
01:38:58,469 --> 01:38:58,703
first people look at us for

3491
01:38:58,703 --> 01:39:00,538
hope.

3492
01:39:00,538 --> 01:39:01,205
They have faith that we know

3493
01:39:01,205 --> 01:39:03,205
what to do.

3494
01:39:03,441 --> 01:39:05,310
But the training we have

3495
01:39:05,310 --> 01:39:06,777
received over the past years

3496
01:39:06,777 --> 01:39:08,479
have mostly involved those

3497
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:08,713
watching videos on the computer

3498
01:39:08,713 --> 01:39:10,713
.

3499
01:39:11,582 --> 01:39:14,819
It is barely the bare minimum.

3500
01:39:14,819 --> 01:39:16,921
a couple of years ago we

3501
01:39:16,921 --> 01:39:17,188
completed cpr training

3502
01:39:17,188 --> 01:39:19,188
virtually.

3503
01:39:19,791 --> 01:39:21,893
There was no practice dummies

3504
01:39:21,893 --> 01:39:23,361
no real way for us to actually

3505
01:39:23,361 --> 01:39:25,761
practice for this situation.

3506
01:39:26,631 --> 01:39:28,333
Watching a video is not the

3507
01:39:28,333 --> 01:39:29,601
same as knowing what to do in

3508
01:39:29,601 --> 01:39:31,601
this critical moment.

3509
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:32,270
This ordinance will change that

3510
01:39:32,270 --> 01:39:34,270
.

3511
01:39:36,141 --> 01:39:36,374
This ordinance would change

3512
01:39:36,374 --> 01:39:38,374
that.

3513
01:39:38,609 --> 01:39:39,911
It would mean in-person

3514
01:39:39,911 --> 01:39:41,346
training on topics that

3515
01:39:41,346 --> 01:39:42,213
actually prepare us for the

3516
01:39:42,213 --> 01:39:44,248
reality of the work.

3517
01:39:44,248 --> 01:39:44,715
Security officers are expected

3518
01:39:44,715 --> 01:39:46,715
to perform.

3519
01:39:48,386 --> 01:39:49,887
This would mean employers not

3520
01:39:49,887 --> 01:39:50,154
the workers would pay for the

3521
01:39:50,154 --> 01:39:52,154
training.

3522
01:39:52,190 --> 01:39:53,825
Most of us already struggle

3523
01:39:53,825 --> 01:39:54,826
with paying for the basic human

3524
01:39:54,826 --> 01:39:56,826
right of healthcare.

3525
01:39:57,620 --> 01:39:59,331
We cannot afford to pay for our

3526
01:39:59,331 --> 01:40:00,598
own training as someone who

3527
01:40:00,598 --> 01:40:03,234
does this work every day.

3528
01:40:03,234 --> 01:40:04,702
I can tell you that security

3529
01:40:04,702 --> 01:40:06,537
officers want to be prepared.

3530
01:40:06,537 --> 01:40:08,840
We want to do the right thing

3531
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:09,307
for everyone especially in

3532
01:40:09,307 --> 01:40:11,307
emergencies.

3533
01:40:11,943 --> 01:40:12,376
Passing this law would help us

3534
01:40:12,376 --> 01:40:14,245
do that.

3535
01:40:14,245 --> 01:40:17,245
Thank you for your time.

3536
01:40:18,316 --> 01:40:19,984
And thank you so much sam for

3537
01:40:19,984 --> 01:40:20,451
your testimony and thank you to

3538
01:40:20,451 --> 01:40:22,860
this panel.

3539
01:40:22,860 --> 01:40:23,755
We will now move on to

3540
01:40:23,755 --> 01:40:25,390
questions from my colleagues.

3541
01:40:25,390 --> 01:40:26,357
Um, there was an additional

3542
01:40:26,357 --> 01:40:27,258
person that I thought was on

3543
01:40:27,258 --> 01:40:28,326
the panel, but they're going to

3544
01:40:28,326 --> 01:40:28,760
be actually for public

3545
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:30,595
testimony.

3546
01:40:30,595 --> 01:40:32,263
Um, I'm going to start with uh,

3547
01:40:32,263 --> 01:40:33,531
the lead sponsor and I will

3548
01:40:33,531 --> 01:40:34,598
give all of my colleagues now

3549
01:40:34,598 --> 01:40:35,666
five minutes to ask any

3550
01:40:35,666 --> 01:40:38,660
questions of this panel.

3551
01:40:38,403 --> 01:40:39,504
Uh, councilor santana, you have

3552
01:40:39,504 --> 01:40:40,304
the floor and five minutes.

3553
01:40:40,304 --> 01:40:42,304
Thank you.

3554
01:40:42,741 --> 01:40:44,776
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

3555
01:40:44,776 --> 01:40:46,440
And thank you, um.

3556
01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:47,511
>> to this, uh, panel for being

3557
01:40:47,511 --> 01:40:49,381
here and being present and

3558
01:40:49,381 --> 01:40:50,848
sharing your, um, uh,

3559
01:40:50,848 --> 01:40:51,115
particularly to to our workers

3560
01:40:51,115 --> 01:40:52,350
.

3561
01:40:52,350 --> 01:40:54,152
Sharing your experiences.

3562
01:40:54,152 --> 01:40:55,253
I know some of you already

3563
01:40:55,253 --> 01:40:57,221
touched it in your opening

3564
01:40:57,221 --> 01:40:58,389
remarks, but, um, you know, can

3565
01:40:58,389 --> 01:40:58,656
you walk me through the

3566
01:40:58,656 --> 01:40:59,157
training.

3567
01:40:59,157 --> 01:41:00,958
>> you received.

3568
01:41:00,958 --> 01:41:01,426
>> when you first hired as a

3569
01:41:01,426 --> 01:41:03,426
security guard?

3570
01:41:03,461 --> 01:41:04,929
What did that training involve

3571
01:41:04,929 --> 01:41:06,931
and how long did it last?

3572
01:41:06,931 --> 01:41:09,167
Any of you can answer.

3573
01:41:09,167 --> 01:41:10,234
I'll start off, um, when I was

3574
01:41:10,234 --> 01:41:10,501
at the boston public library

3575
01:41:10,501 --> 01:41:10,901
for.

3576
01:41:10,901 --> 01:41:12,536
Example.

3577
01:41:12,536 --> 01:41:13,571
>> uh, they had somebody sit

3578
01:41:13,571 --> 01:41:14,806
with me in the tech.

3579
01:41:14,806 --> 01:41:15,540
Center for.

3580
01:41:15,540 --> 01:41:16,241
>> like maybe.

3581
01:41:16,241 --> 01:41:17,608
The day.

3582
01:41:17,608 --> 01:41:18,943
>> just looking at people.

3583
01:41:18,943 --> 01:41:19,176
Then the next day I was by

3584
01:41:19,176 --> 01:41:20,110
myself.

3585
01:41:20,110 --> 01:41:21,345
So that was.

3586
01:41:21,345 --> 01:41:21,612
>> based on a minimum of a

3587
01:41:21,612 --> 01:41:23,612
training.

3588
01:41:27,118 --> 01:41:31,318
I got hired, um, I got hired,

3589
01:41:31,856 --> 01:41:32,891
uh, covid, um, and it was g g

3590
01:41:32,891 --> 01:41:35,259
for us at the time.

3591
01:41:35,259 --> 01:41:35,426
So we didn't get trained at

3592
01:41:35,426 --> 01:41:36,628
all.

3593
01:41:36,628 --> 01:41:37,695
It was just sitting in a

3594
01:41:37,695 --> 01:41:38,662
building watching the door and

3595
01:41:38,662 --> 01:41:40,931
making sure it was closed.

3596
01:41:40,931 --> 01:41:44,469
There was no training at all.

3597
01:41:44,469 --> 01:41:45,136
For me specifically.

3598
01:41:45,136 --> 01:41:47,136
>> on my site.

3599
01:41:47,171 --> 01:41:47,438
I remember my first day it was

3600
01:41:47,438 --> 01:41:48,739
literally.

3601
01:41:48,739 --> 01:41:49,974
>> that point out of the boot.

3602
01:41:49,974 --> 01:41:52,374
So sit in there.

3603
01:41:52,643 --> 01:41:52,877
Uh well technically they didn't

3604
01:41:52,877 --> 01:41:54,746
allow.

3605
01:41:54,746 --> 01:41:56,815
Us really to sit and prefer us

3606
01:41:56,815 --> 01:41:58,820
to walk outside of boot but uh,

3607
01:41:58,820 --> 01:41:59,283
essentially stand around the.

3608
01:41:59,283 --> 01:41:59,617
Boot and that was my

3609
01:41:59,617 --> 01:42:00,985
introduction.

3610
01:42:00,985 --> 01:42:01,986
This is your site you show.

3611
01:42:01,986 --> 01:42:02,821
Up at this time.

3612
01:42:02,821 --> 01:42:04,821
You stand there.

3613
01:42:06,257 --> 01:42:06,824
Then once every while we would

3614
01:42:06,824 --> 01:42:07,959
have like.

3615
01:42:07,959 --> 01:42:10,359
>> I said, uh, just.

3616
01:42:10,995 --> 01:42:11,462
Online classes basically

3617
01:42:11,462 --> 01:42:12,263
teaching.

3618
01:42:12,263 --> 01:42:14,263
Bout of.

3619
01:42:15,132 --> 01:42:17,132
Cpr for example.

3620
01:42:17,568 --> 01:42:19,360
Uh we would have regular

3621
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,539
meetings I would say probably

3622
01:42:21,539 --> 01:42:23,407
once every year essentially uh

3623
01:42:23,407 --> 01:42:25,710
they would mask it as training

3624
01:42:25,710 --> 01:42:26,777
but in reality just from

3625
01:42:26,777 --> 01:42:28,679
observation it was more of a

3626
01:42:28,679 --> 01:42:29,547
way to make sure that the

3627
01:42:29,547 --> 01:42:31,349
company didn't get sued.

3628
01:42:31,349 --> 01:42:32,216
So instead of teaching us

3629
01:42:32,216 --> 01:42:34,616
de-escalation they would just

3630
01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:35,953
tells flat out oh if let's say

3631
01:42:35,953 --> 01:42:37,421
someone's being attacked you

3632
01:42:37,421 --> 01:42:39,900
are not to touch them.

3633
01:42:39,900 --> 01:42:39,924
The most you can do is call uh

3634
01:42:39,924 --> 01:42:41,792
campus police.

3635
01:42:41,792 --> 01:42:42,260
There was really no training no

3636
01:42:42,260 --> 01:42:43,261
.

3637
01:42:43,261 --> 01:42:45,129
Training on how to protect

3638
01:42:45,129 --> 01:42:46,970
ourselves properly without

3639
01:42:46,970 --> 01:42:47,980
violating any laws, how.

3640
01:42:47,980 --> 01:42:48,733
>> to protect.

3641
01:42:48,733 --> 01:42:49,601
The public without violating

3642
01:42:49,601 --> 01:42:51,601
any laws.

3643
01:42:52,437 --> 01:42:54,539
For the most part it was here

3644
01:42:54,539 --> 01:42:55,973
this we workshop on time.

3645
01:42:55,973 --> 01:42:56,974
We expect you to do your.

3646
01:42:56,974 --> 01:42:57,475
Job and also.

3647
01:42:57,475 --> 01:42:58,142
Don't get.

3648
01:42:58,142 --> 01:42:59,143
>> us sued.

3649
01:42:59,143 --> 01:43:00,978
For the most part.

3650
01:43:00,978 --> 01:43:02,613
no, I appreciate that.

3651
01:43:02,613 --> 01:43:03,948
Um and I think I.

3652
01:43:03,948 --> 01:43:04,249
>> really resonated with with

3653
01:43:04,249 --> 01:43:05,650
your answer.

3654
01:43:05,650 --> 01:43:07,318
Uh, you know, I mentioned

3655
01:43:07,318 --> 01:43:09,620
earlier that, um, I was working

3656
01:43:09,620 --> 01:43:10,655
security a few years ago, um,

3657
01:43:10,655 --> 01:43:13,550
overnight and my training

3658
01:43:13,157 --> 01:43:14,825
encompassed just my supervisor,

3659
01:43:14,825 --> 01:43:16,527
uh, sitting with me the first

3660
01:43:16,527 --> 01:43:17,295
two evenings or the first two

3661
01:43:17,295 --> 01:43:19,330
nights that I worked.

3662
01:43:19,330 --> 01:43:20,398
Um, and you know, whatever came

3663
01:43:20,398 --> 01:43:22,467
up during that those two

3664
01:43:22,467 --> 01:43:23,834
evenings is what he showed me.

3665
01:43:23,834 --> 01:43:24,468
Um, but then I was left alone

3666
01:43:24,468 --> 01:43:25,703
after that.

3667
01:43:25,703 --> 01:43:26,137
Um, and obviously different

3668
01:43:26,137 --> 01:43:28,137
encounters happened.

3669
01:43:28,372 --> 01:43:28,640
Um, different days, different

3670
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:30,640
weeks.

3671
01:43:32,109 --> 01:43:32,743
Um, so, uh no, I really

3672
01:43:32,743 --> 01:43:34,111
appreciate that.

3673
01:43:34,111 --> 01:43:34,779
And then in terms of you know,

3674
01:43:34,779 --> 01:43:37,179
so that you talked.

3675
01:43:37,848 --> 01:43:39,116
To you pointed out some of the

3676
01:43:39,116 --> 01:43:41,185
um, training you received can

3677
01:43:41,185 --> 01:43:42,453
you all share some of the

3678
01:43:42,453 --> 01:43:43,221
challenges day to day

3679
01:43:43,221 --> 01:43:45,456
challenges that you see?

3680
01:43:45,456 --> 01:43:47,959
Um, I know you mentioned um you

3681
01:43:47,959 --> 01:43:48,793
know, you know, needles and um

3682
01:43:48,793 --> 01:43:50,261
and those type of stuff.

3683
01:43:50,261 --> 01:43:51,429
Are there any other challenges

3684
01:43:51,429 --> 01:43:52,196
that you see that you were

3685
01:43:52,196 --> 01:43:54,596
maybe not prepared for.

3686
01:43:56,867 --> 01:43:58,970
Peop people being um, passed

3687
01:43:58,970 --> 01:43:59,837
out in the bathroom sometimes

3688
01:43:59,837 --> 01:44:02,237
locking themselves in the

3689
01:44:03,141 --> 01:44:05,443
bathroom sometimes um being

3690
01:44:05,443 --> 01:44:05,676
completely nude in the bathroom

3691
01:44:05,676 --> 01:44:07,676
.

3692
01:44:07,912 --> 01:44:08,179
Um or they're fighting in the

3693
01:44:08,179 --> 01:44:10,179
bathroom.

3694
01:44:10,614 --> 01:44:11,182
And what are you supposed to do

3695
01:44:11,182 --> 01:44:13,182
in those situations?

3696
01:44:14,118 --> 01:44:17,655
Uh, we are supposed to stand

3697
01:44:17,655 --> 01:44:19,724
down by, um, my fellow security

3698
01:44:19,724 --> 01:44:21,593
officer said, um, make sure

3699
01:44:21,593 --> 01:44:22,260
that we don't step in and just

3700
01:44:22,260 --> 01:44:23,895
call the police.

3701
01:44:23,895 --> 01:44:25,363
And most of the time, like I

3702
01:44:25,363 --> 01:44:28,320
said before, the police take

3703
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:29,834
their time to come and so we

3704
01:44:29,834 --> 01:44:30,401
just have to stand by and lock

3705
01:44:30,401 --> 01:44:31,569
down the bathroom.

3706
01:44:31,569 --> 01:44:32,971
All right.

3707
01:44:32,971 --> 01:44:33,804
>> anyone else want to check?

3708
01:44:33,804 --> 01:44:35,306
Oh, sure.

3709
01:44:35,306 --> 01:44:35,740
>> so, um, for example.

3710
01:44:35,740 --> 01:44:36,807
>> I.

3711
01:44:36,807 --> 01:44:38,750
Know apparently at the funeral

3712
01:44:38,750 --> 01:44:40,979
hall there's a situation where

3713
01:44:40,979 --> 01:44:42,213
I had a seizure and we I wasn't

3714
01:44:42,213 --> 01:44:43,647
trained cpr at that.

3715
01:44:43,647 --> 01:44:43,814
Time so I didn't know what to

3716
01:44:43,814 --> 01:44:44,548
do.

3717
01:44:44,548 --> 01:44:46,548
>> in this situation.

3718
01:44:46,617 --> 01:44:46,884
So I had to call my colleagues

3719
01:44:46,884 --> 01:44:47,885
who.

3720
01:44:47,885 --> 01:44:48,252
Some of them had minimum

3721
01:44:48,252 --> 01:44:49,887
training maybe.

3722
01:44:49,887 --> 01:44:51,355
Like maybe an hour or two

3723
01:44:51,355 --> 01:44:52,323
of cpr and they were able to.

3724
01:44:52,323 --> 01:44:52,723
Go through.

3725
01:44:52,723 --> 01:44:54,723
>> with.

3726
01:44:55,259 --> 01:44:56,261
That so well um no thank you.

3727
01:44:56,261 --> 01:44:57,795
I know my time is about to come

3728
01:44:57,795 --> 01:44:59,630
up but I do want to thank um

3729
01:44:59,630 --> 01:44:59,531
the whole the entire panel that

3730
01:44:59,531 --> 01:45:00,764
I've met.

3731
01:45:00,764 --> 01:45:01,632
I appreciate the student

3732
01:45:01,632 --> 01:45:02,901
perspective of someone who's

3733
01:45:02,901 --> 01:45:03,734
not security guard above the

3734
01:45:03,734 --> 01:45:05,734
civil services.

3735
01:45:05,770 --> 01:45:07,238
Um, and I also lived on a

3736
01:45:07,238 --> 01:45:09,106
campus, um, once upon a time,

3737
01:45:09,106 --> 01:45:11,376
so I did feel secure.

3738
01:45:11,376 --> 01:45:14,412
Um, I don't know a lot.

3739
01:45:14,412 --> 01:45:15,279
Um, but I do I really

3740
01:45:15,279 --> 01:45:16,547
appreciate the workers being

3741
01:45:16,547 --> 01:45:17,615
here and appreciate the work

3742
01:45:17,615 --> 01:45:19,615
that you do.

3743
01:45:19,684 --> 01:45:19,917
Um, to keep our city, um, safe

3744
01:45:19,917 --> 01:45:21,552
.

3745
01:45:21,552 --> 01:45:23,952
Um, and this was.

3746
01:45:23,988 --> 01:45:25,857
Uh this ordinance was, uh,

3747
01:45:25,857 --> 01:45:26,900
created, um, with you all in

3748
01:45:26,900 --> 01:45:28,900
mind.

3749
01:45:28,459 --> 01:45:29,260
Uh, making sure that you are

3750
01:45:29,260 --> 01:45:29,527
equipped with the proper

3751
01:45:29,527 --> 01:45:30,828
training.

3752
01:45:30,828 --> 01:45:31,295
Um, whether you are first and

3753
01:45:31,295 --> 01:45:33,310
foremost safe.

3754
01:45:33,310 --> 01:45:34,498
Um, but then also the public

3755
01:45:34,498 --> 01:45:34,765
that you're serving are also

3756
01:45:34,765 --> 01:45:36,100
safe.

3757
01:45:36,100 --> 01:45:37,301
So I really appreciate the

3758
01:45:37,301 --> 01:45:38,536
courage, um, that it takes, um,

3759
01:45:38,536 --> 01:45:39,603
to be here to be public

3760
01:45:39,603 --> 01:45:40,710
speaking, um, in front of the

3761
01:45:40,710 --> 01:45:41,272
city council.

3762
01:45:41,272 --> 01:45:42,706
Um, really appreciate that.

3763
01:45:42,706 --> 01:45:45,106
Thank you very much.

3764
01:45:45,142 --> 01:45:46,277
Thank you.

3765
01:45:46,277 --> 01:45:48,277
>> thank you.

3766
01:45:48,612 --> 01:45:50,348
>> um, the chair recognizes.

3767
01:45:50,348 --> 01:45:50,848
Councilor murphy.

3768
01:45:50,848 --> 01:45:51,482
Councilor flynn.

3769
01:45:51,482 --> 01:45:53,482
Um.

3770
01:45:53,818 --> 01:45:54,850
>> council PRESIDENT Lose

3771
01:45:54,850 --> 01:45:56,850
breadon.

3772
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:56,387
You have the floor and five

3773
01:45:56,387 --> 01:45:57,221
minutes.

3774
01:45:57,221 --> 01:45:58,656
Thank you.

3775
01:45:58,656 --> 01:45:59,900
And thank you all for your

3776
01:45:59,900 --> 01:46:01,900
testimony.

3777
01:46:01,525 --> 01:46:02,994
I really appreciate, um, what

3778
01:46:02,994 --> 01:46:03,461
you said because it gives us

3779
01:46:03,461 --> 01:46:04,862
some insight.

3780
01:46:04,862 --> 01:46:05,129
Into the day to day challenges

3781
01:46:05,129 --> 01:46:06,564
of your.

3782
01:46:06,564 --> 01:46:08,564
Work and how.

3783
01:46:08,599 --> 01:46:09,634
Difficult it is to feel that

3784
01:46:09,634 --> 01:46:10,935
you're, um, haven't had

3785
01:46:10,935 --> 01:46:12,803
adequate training to meet

3786
01:46:12,803 --> 01:46:14,672
whatever comes as I mentioned

3787
01:46:14,672 --> 01:46:16,974
in my remarks earlier, I think

3788
01:46:16,974 --> 01:46:18,442
you know, you can't anticipate

3789
01:46:18,442 --> 01:46:19,811
what you might meet and what

3790
01:46:19,811 --> 01:46:22,446
comes at you in a day's work.

3791
01:46:22,446 --> 01:46:22,913
Um, as an unarmed security

3792
01:46:22,913 --> 01:46:24,913
officer.

3793
01:46:25,149 --> 01:46:26,417
So, uh, I appreciate all the

3794
01:46:26,417 --> 01:46:27,851
great work you do and um.

3795
01:46:27,851 --> 01:46:29,851
Um.

3796
01:46:32,523 --> 01:46:34,250
>> in terms of in terms of uh

3797
01:46:34,250 --> 01:46:35,590
if you're in an incident and

3798
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:35,659
and you feel that.

3799
01:46:35,659 --> 01:46:37,659
You.

3800
01:46:37,895 --> 01:46:39,463
>> uh, needed more training.

3801
01:46:39,463 --> 01:46:41,980
Who do you go to?

3802
01:46:41,980 --> 01:46:43,100
Do you go to a supervisor or do

3803
01:46:43,100 --> 01:46:44,302
you can you advocate for say

3804
01:46:44,302 --> 01:46:45,803
you know, I really need to have

3805
01:46:45,803 --> 01:46:46,700
a cpr training or I need to do

3806
01:46:46,700 --> 01:46:47,871
for.

3807
01:46:47,871 --> 01:46:50,374
Can you I need first aid

3808
01:46:50,374 --> 01:46:52,410
training or is it a mechanism.

3809
01:46:52,410 --> 01:46:53,877
For actually requesting more

3810
01:46:53,877 --> 01:46:55,914
training on your job?

3811
01:46:55,914 --> 01:46:57,348
So I guess.

3812
01:46:57,348 --> 01:46:57,882
I'm sorry.

3813
01:46:57,882 --> 01:46:58,316
>> go ahead.

3814
01:46:58,316 --> 01:46:58,716
Yes, yes.

3815
01:46:58,716 --> 01:47:00,317
Uh.

3816
01:47:00,317 --> 01:47:02,353
Specifically on my site.

3817
01:47:02,353 --> 01:47:02,620
And I can't speak for everyone

3818
01:47:02,620 --> 01:47:03,587
.

3819
01:47:03,587 --> 01:47:05,222
>> else but I know, uh.

3820
01:47:05,222 --> 01:47:07,222
Northeastern university for

3821
01:47:07,324 --> 01:47:08,560
northeast security we're given

3822
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:08,926
very little information on how

3823
01:47:08,926 --> 01:47:09,927
to go.

3824
01:47:09,927 --> 01:47:11,729
>> about any of this.

3825
01:47:11,729 --> 01:47:13,397
>> for the most part I see a

3826
01:47:13,397 --> 01:47:15,700
lot of guards confused of who

3827
01:47:15,700 --> 01:47:16,967
to speak to if there even is

3828
01:47:16,967 --> 01:47:17,835
anyone to speak to for any

3829
01:47:17,835 --> 01:47:19,771
of these things.

3830
01:47:19,771 --> 01:47:21,439
For the most part a lot

3831
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:23,507
of guards unfortunately because

3832
01:47:23,507 --> 01:47:24,608
of this they feel very

3833
01:47:24,608 --> 01:47:25,750
discarded and being down.

3834
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:26,430
So there's.

3835
01:47:26,430 --> 01:47:27,678
>> a sense of apathy.

3836
01:47:27,678 --> 01:47:30,381
It's come to a certain point

3837
01:47:30,381 --> 01:47:32,249
where most people feel as if it

3838
01:47:32,249 --> 01:47:32,483
is what it is to be very

3839
01:47:32,483 --> 01:47:34,483
honest.

3840
01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:36,621
Do you have a do you have a

3841
01:47:36,621 --> 01:47:37,880
line of command like who's your

3842
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:38,489
supervisor?

3843
01:47:38,489 --> 01:47:41,359
Do you and check in?

3844
01:47:41,359 --> 01:47:42,526
Do they check in with you on a

3845
01:47:42,526 --> 01:47:42,793
regular basis on how things are

3846
01:47:42,793 --> 01:47:44,595
going?

3847
01:47:44,595 --> 01:47:46,697
For the most part all the time

3848
01:47:46,697 --> 01:47:48,399
supervisors really show up for

3849
01:47:48,399 --> 01:47:50,434
my experiences and experiences.

3850
01:47:50,434 --> 01:47:53,103
my coworkers are either for uh

3851
01:47:53,103 --> 01:47:53,371
shift changes or disciplinary

3852
01:47:53,371 --> 01:47:54,371
reasons.

3853
01:47:54,371 --> 01:47:56,371
Okay.

3854
01:47:56,807 --> 01:47:58,709
>> and in terms of um, your

3855
01:47:58,709 --> 01:48:00,778
work experience so far like

3856
01:48:00,778 --> 01:48:03,247
this for any of you um, in

3857
01:48:03,247 --> 01:48:04,916
terms of what sort of scenario

3858
01:48:04,916 --> 01:48:05,183
is the most challenging for

3859
01:48:05,183 --> 01:48:07,183
you?

3860
01:48:07,418 --> 01:48:10,155
Like I think you mentioned.

3861
01:48:10,155 --> 01:48:13,570
Uh, front for me personally,

3862
01:48:13,570 --> 01:48:16,570
um, having to patrol outside

3863
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,262
and there are two um homeless

3864
01:48:18,262 --> 01:48:18,929
people outside putting needles

3865
01:48:18,929 --> 01:48:20,929
in each.

3866
01:48:21,365 --> 01:48:22,433
Other um, very dangerous

3867
01:48:22,433 --> 01:48:23,100
because they are kept going

3868
01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:25,100
back and forth.

3869
01:48:26,770 --> 01:48:29,874
Um, honestly, I've been at my

3870
01:48:29,874 --> 01:48:30,508
side for six years so I'm going

3871
01:48:30,508 --> 01:48:32,508
to be truthful.

3872
01:48:33,978 --> 01:48:35,646
Um, I trained the supervisor at

3873
01:48:35,646 --> 01:48:38,749
both of the supervisors and my

3874
01:48:38,749 --> 01:48:40,952
manager so at my say we just

3875
01:48:40,952 --> 01:48:41,685
wing it at this point because I

3876
01:48:41,685 --> 01:48:41,886
mean no one knows what they're

3877
01:48:41,886 --> 01:48:43,886
doing.

3878
01:48:45,556 --> 01:48:46,223
Um oh turkeys, repeat the

3879
01:48:46,223 --> 01:48:46,824
question one more time.

3880
01:48:46,824 --> 01:48:47,358
And the.

3881
01:48:47,358 --> 01:48:48,159
>> most.

3882
01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:50,159
Challenging situation you've

3883
01:48:50,461 --> 01:48:51,729
had to deal with so far like I

3884
01:48:51,729 --> 01:48:53,197
know you can deal with all

3885
01:48:53,197 --> 01:48:54,498
sorts of scenarios but what

3886
01:48:54,498 --> 01:48:55,266
what's the one that you feel

3887
01:48:55,266 --> 01:48:57,302
you really didn't feel?

3888
01:48:57,302 --> 01:48:57,735
Oh goodness, I'm not equipped

3889
01:48:57,735 --> 01:48:59,735
for this.

3890
01:49:00,371 --> 01:49:01,672
I'll use a recent example not

3891
01:49:01,672 --> 01:49:02,873
not just from my from my site.

3892
01:49:02,873 --> 01:49:04,141
There's a couple colleagues

3893
01:49:04,141 --> 01:49:05,900
of mine that had to deal with

3894
01:49:05,900 --> 01:49:05,743
uh, protests.

3895
01:49:05,743 --> 01:49:06,977
And it was.

3896
01:49:06,977 --> 01:49:08,646
Hundreds of people at the

3897
01:49:08,646 --> 01:49:09,480
protest and maybe as a

3898
01:49:09,480 --> 01:49:11,880
supervisor and two guards.

3899
01:49:12,349 --> 01:49:13,417
So that situation and they

3900
01:49:13,417 --> 01:49:14,285
could try to call someone

3901
01:49:14,285 --> 01:49:15,519
of like a certain account

3902
01:49:15,519 --> 01:49:16,787
manager or account manager and

3903
01:49:16,787 --> 01:49:18,488
they were nowhere to be found

3904
01:49:18,488 --> 01:49:19,623
or able to respond whatsoever.

3905
01:49:19,623 --> 01:49:20,691
So that was probably the most

3906
01:49:20,691 --> 01:49:21,926
difficult I would say for

3907
01:49:21,926 --> 01:49:23,361
me and my other colleagues.

3908
01:49:23,361 --> 01:49:25,830
And because you haven't had any

3909
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:27,731
training have no contact, no no

3910
01:49:27,731 --> 01:49:28,666
no skill set as to how to

3911
01:49:28,666 --> 01:49:28,866
respond to a situation like

3912
01:49:28,866 --> 01:49:29,600
that.

3913
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,350
That's correct.

3914
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:33,350
Yes.

3915
01:49:33,437 --> 01:49:35,940
>> if I MAY also I too often

3916
01:49:35,940 --> 01:49:37,808
times and once again I can't

3917
01:49:37,808 --> 01:49:39,710
speak for my fellow workers

3918
01:49:39,710 --> 01:49:40,978
here but I know on my site a

3919
01:49:40,978 --> 01:49:42,112
lot of times they will try.

3920
01:49:42,112 --> 01:49:44,148
>> to lean on uh.

3921
01:49:44,148 --> 01:49:46,216
The campus police but to be

3922
01:49:46,216 --> 01:49:48,919
very honest and just like you

3923
01:49:48,919 --> 01:49:49,753
said, the police often aren't

3924
01:49:49,753 --> 01:49:50,287
the most responsive.

3925
01:49:50,287 --> 01:49:52,122
I've had.

3926
01:49:52,122 --> 01:49:54,122
Few instances.

3927
01:49:54,258 --> 01:49:56,727
Uh, first time I began working

3928
01:49:56,727 --> 01:49:58,429
there I had someone stuck in

3929
01:49:58,429 --> 01:49:58,696
the elevator for about 30

3930
01:49:58,696 --> 01:50:00,531
minutes.

3931
01:50:00,531 --> 01:50:00,831
I really didn't have any help

3932
01:50:00,831 --> 01:50:02,199
out there.

3933
01:50:02,199 --> 01:50:03,634
There was no supervisors.

3934
01:50:03,634 --> 01:50:05,634
No coworkers.

3935
01:50:06,471 --> 01:50:07,710
Somehow I was able to get the.

3936
01:50:07,710 --> 01:50:08,106
Elevator working.

3937
01:50:08,106 --> 01:50:09,240
Again.

3938
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:11,640
>> got the person out.

3939
01:50:12,309 --> 01:50:14,178
It took about 30 minutes for

3940
01:50:14,178 --> 01:50:15,130
the police to show up after I

3941
01:50:15,130 --> 01:50:17,130
called them.

3942
01:50:17,881 --> 01:50:18,316
It takes about 15 minutes to

3943
01:50:18,316 --> 01:50:20,150
walk there.

3944
01:50:20,150 --> 01:50:21,385
They use their suvs.

3945
01:50:21,385 --> 01:50:22,653
I've seen them on multiple

3946
01:50:22,653 --> 01:50:23,921
occasions run through red

3947
01:50:23,921 --> 01:50:25,589
lights but for some reason

3948
01:50:25,589 --> 01:50:27,570
during emergencies nowhere to

3949
01:50:27,570 --> 01:50:29,360
be found and once they finally

3950
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:31,280
showed up and I told them the

3951
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:32,296
situation was handled it was

3952
01:50:32,296 --> 01:50:33,163
not uh sorry for being late or

3953
01:50:33,163 --> 01:50:34,798
is everyone okay?

3954
01:50:34,798 --> 01:50:37,340
It was literally word for word.

3955
01:50:37,340 --> 01:50:39,304
Uh, next time call us because

3956
01:50:39,304 --> 01:50:40,771
it takes us a while to get here

3957
01:50:40,771 --> 01:50:41,105
and that was the end of the

3958
01:50:41,105 --> 01:50:41,639
conversation.

3959
01:50:41,639 --> 01:50:43,639
Okay.

3960
01:50:44,875 --> 01:50:45,342
>> um thank you for your

3961
01:50:45,342 --> 01:50:47,342
examples.

3962
01:50:47,345 --> 01:50:50,810
I think it gives us some flavor

3963
01:50:50,810 --> 01:50:53,384
of what so in terms of uh, B.J.

3964
01:50:53,384 --> 01:50:54,510
Um 32 bj you you have a

3965
01:50:54,510 --> 01:50:55,886
training program.

3966
01:50:55,886 --> 01:50:56,186
Could you tell us a little more

3967
01:50:56,186 --> 01:50:57,821
about that?

3968
01:50:57,821 --> 01:50:58,222
Oh, sorry, MADAM Chair, can.

3969
01:50:58,222 --> 01:50:58,489
>> you.

3970
01:50:58,489 --> 01:50:58,822
Answer.

3971
01:50:58,822 --> 01:50:58,989
The question?

3972
01:50:58,989 --> 01:51:00,989
Yes.

3973
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:04,896
>> um, yes.

3974
01:51:04,896 --> 01:51:06,630
The time servant training fund

3975
01:51:06,630 --> 01:51:07,731
,uh, is a labor management

3976
01:51:07,731 --> 01:51:08,999
training fund, uh, established

3977
01:51:08,999 --> 01:51:09,266
between the employers and the

3978
01:51:09,266 --> 01:51:11,266
union.

3979
01:51:12,102 --> 01:51:13,370
Um, both the security employers

3980
01:51:13,370 --> 01:51:15,390
and, uh, the unions sit

3981
01:51:15,390 --> 01:51:16,306
together to establish it and

3982
01:51:16,306 --> 01:51:18,742
it's been in existence for.

3983
01:51:18,742 --> 01:51:20,742
Um about 50 years.

3984
01:51:21,411 --> 01:51:23,681
Uh, and we train thousands

3985
01:51:23,681 --> 01:51:23,948
of officers in new york and uh,

3986
01:51:23,948 --> 01:51:25,948
jersey.

3987
01:51:26,884 --> 01:51:28,586
Um, and we have you know, we

3988
01:51:28,586 --> 01:51:30,540
training people now in boston

3989
01:51:30,540 --> 01:51:31,522
but not for security because

3990
01:51:31,522 --> 01:51:31,755
the employers don't pay for it

3991
01:51:31,755 --> 01:51:33,755
.

3992
01:51:35,426 --> 01:51:37,494
Um, so uh, you know, all those

3993
01:51:37,494 --> 01:51:41,940
all of these classes and first

3994
01:51:42,833 --> 01:51:44,101
responder cpr um uh um, you

3995
01:51:44,101 --> 01:51:45,369
know how to deal with people

3996
01:51:45,369 --> 01:51:47,438
and overdose all of those

3997
01:51:47,438 --> 01:51:49,473
things is what the the, uh.

3998
01:51:49,473 --> 01:51:51,341
But the program can do the

3999
01:51:51,341 --> 01:51:52,409
initial 40 hour training as

4000
01:51:52,409 --> 01:51:53,877
well as the research every

4001
01:51:53,877 --> 01:51:55,346
eight hours and it's a huge

4002
01:51:55,346 --> 01:51:56,413
program in new york city and

4003
01:51:56,413 --> 01:51:56,981
thousands of officers run.

4004
01:51:56,981 --> 01:51:58,916
>> through it.

4005
01:51:58,916 --> 01:52:00,584
>> we have uh, 20,000 officers

4006
01:52:00,584 --> 01:52:02,486
in new york city who go through

4007
01:52:02,486 --> 01:52:03,754
the program every year, uh, and

4008
01:52:03,754 --> 01:52:04,955
get those those research.

4009
01:52:04,955 --> 01:52:06,323
Thank you.

4010
01:52:06,323 --> 01:52:07,358
>> thank you, MADAM Chair.

4011
01:52:07,358 --> 01:52:08,892
Thank you.

4012
01:52:08,892 --> 01:52:10,961
Uh, council PRESIDENT Bratton,

4013
01:52:10,961 --> 01:52:12,290
uh, the chair now recognizes

4014
01:52:12,290 --> 01:52:13,300
councilor for gerald

4015
01:52:13,300 --> 01:52:14,299
COUNCILMAN Gerald, you have the

4016
01:52:14,299 --> 01:52:15,733
floor and five minutes.

4017
01:52:15,733 --> 01:52:18,133
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

4018
01:52:18,168 --> 01:52:19,971
Um, uh, I'll say again as

4019
01:52:19,971 --> 01:52:21,639
always, uh, support uh, workers

4020
01:52:21,639 --> 01:52:22,906
right to unionize and I think

4021
01:52:22,906 --> 01:52:23,574
standards are a good thing to

4022
01:52:23,574 --> 01:52:23,941
measure and uphold

4023
01:52:23,941 --> 01:52:25,342
accountability.

4024
01:52:25,342 --> 01:52:26,777
So always in favor of that.

4025
01:52:26,777 --> 01:52:27,578
And thank you guys for bringing

4026
01:52:27,578 --> 01:52:28,379
this issue to the table.

4027
01:52:28,379 --> 01:52:30,379
Um.

4028
01:52:31,415 --> 01:52:33,517
>> a question around the uh,

4029
01:52:33,517 --> 01:52:35,987
you know, the contract that was

4030
01:52:35,987 --> 01:52:38,550
previously had with security

4031
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:40,557
guards through the union um,

4032
01:52:40,557 --> 01:52:42,226
and what it says in there about

4033
01:52:42,226 --> 01:52:44,940
training and how you guys feel

4034
01:52:44,940 --> 01:52:45,462
that was upheld, what it says

4035
01:52:45,462 --> 01:52:47,765
in there to what we wanted to

4036
01:52:47,765 --> 01:52:48,799
say in the next contract and

4037
01:52:48,799 --> 01:52:49,934
more importantly to me.

4038
01:52:49,934 --> 01:52:51,568
,the.

4039
01:52:51,568 --> 01:52:53,270
>> limits that you guys have on

4040
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:54,938
yourselves right to the job you

4041
01:52:54,938 --> 01:52:56,373
have about cannot touch.

4042
01:52:56,373 --> 01:52:58,642
And with the repeal of rule 400

4043
01:52:58,642 --> 01:53:00,111
and things of that nature, what

4044
01:53:00,111 --> 01:53:01,612
is it that we want added into

4045
01:53:01,612 --> 01:53:03,800
the training that can be

4046
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:04,548
applicable given some of the

4047
01:53:04,548 --> 01:53:05,816
constraints that you guys have

4048
01:53:05,816 --> 01:53:06,851
to like trying to find that

4049
01:53:06,851 --> 01:53:09,153
middle ground of like what are

4050
01:53:09,153 --> 01:53:09,586
we really asking for in this

4051
01:53:09,586 --> 01:53:11,210
training?

4052
01:53:11,210 --> 01:53:12,723
Uh and I've heard you say I

4053
01:53:12,723 --> 01:53:14,391
mean there's cpr and you know

4054
01:53:14,391 --> 01:53:15,426
and uh and uh overdose training

4055
01:53:15,426 --> 01:53:16,293
and things of that nature I

4056
01:53:16,293 --> 01:53:17,562
think it's all necessary

4057
01:53:17,562 --> 01:53:19,290
because what you guys see every

4058
01:53:19,290 --> 01:53:20,464
day um.

4059
01:53:20,464 --> 01:53:22,266
But what are the.

4060
01:53:22,266 --> 01:53:23,534
Confines that might, uh, the

4061
01:53:23,534 --> 01:53:24,735
training that you would want to

4062
01:53:24,735 --> 01:53:27,400
have that you can't is there

4063
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:28,473
any, uh, physical limitations

4064
01:53:28,473 --> 01:53:28,906
that you guys are expected to.

4065
01:53:28,906 --> 01:53:30,374
>> go.

4066
01:53:30,374 --> 01:53:30,741
Through to be in order to be a

4067
01:53:30,741 --> 01:53:32,741
security guard?

4068
01:53:32,776 --> 01:53:35,120
Um, things of that nature.

4069
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:36,681
So just I guess in overall my

4070
01:53:36,681 --> 01:53:37,748
only question is from the

4071
01:53:37,748 --> 01:53:39,650
previous contract to the

4072
01:53:39,650 --> 01:53:41,119
current contract what we want

4073
01:53:41,119 --> 01:53:42,586
to see added uh, maybe what

4074
01:53:42,586 --> 01:53:44,870
lacked in the previous one is

4075
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:46,156
as we go forward in the current

4076
01:53:46,156 --> 01:53:47,257
one and then what given the

4077
01:53:47,257 --> 01:53:49,326
confines around the laws that

4078
01:53:49,326 --> 01:53:50,427
you guys cannot do, do we want

4079
01:53:50,427 --> 01:53:51,695
to see that training go up to

4080
01:53:51,695 --> 01:53:52,796
to make sure we're focused in

4081
01:53:52,796 --> 01:53:54,264
on giving you training that's

4082
01:53:54,264 --> 01:53:54,498
actually applicable to your

4083
01:53:54,498 --> 01:53:56,498
job?

4084
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:01,305
So to be clear there's nothing

4085
01:54:01,305 --> 01:54:01,572
in the contract now about

4086
01:54:01,572 --> 01:54:03,572
training.

4087
01:54:03,974 --> 01:54:05,242
Um and we are proposing it to

4088
01:54:05,242 --> 01:54:06,543
the security contractors

4089
01:54:06,543 --> 01:54:07,578
of boston um.

4090
01:54:07,578 --> 01:54:09,578
To to.

4091
01:54:09,780 --> 01:54:11,682
You know, to have that $312 a

4092
01:54:11,682 --> 01:54:12,950
year training fund benefit for

4093
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:14,950
each uh member.

4094
01:54:16,186 --> 01:54:18,889
Uh, but also we're not trying

4095
01:54:18,889 --> 01:54:19,856
to have a panacea, um, that the

4096
01:54:19,856 --> 01:54:21,240
officers are going to, you

4097
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:23,461
know, be able to be police.

4098
01:54:23,461 --> 01:54:25,295
That's far from the case.

4099
01:54:25,295 --> 01:54:26,463
Uh, and then, you know, the

4100
01:54:26,463 --> 01:54:27,131
police are going to do the

4101
01:54:27,131 --> 01:54:29,131
police job.

4102
01:54:31,100 --> 01:54:33,704
Um, but we are often there most

4103
01:54:33,704 --> 01:54:35,372
often first and whatever can be

4104
01:54:35,372 --> 01:54:37,241
done in the first minutes

4105
01:54:37,241 --> 01:54:38,976
before the officer arrives.

4106
01:54:38,976 --> 01:54:39,743
Um, you know, those are the

4107
01:54:39,743 --> 01:54:40,878
things that we want to.

4108
01:54:40,878 --> 01:54:42,878
>> try to resolve.

4109
01:54:43,146 --> 01:54:44,114
Um, 40 hours training is not a

4110
01:54:44,114 --> 01:54:47,840
panacea but it's a start.

4111
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:48,185
So my only thought I was just I

4112
01:54:48,185 --> 01:54:48,853
was trying to read through the

4113
01:54:48,853 --> 01:54:50,121
previous contract, understand

4114
01:54:50,121 --> 01:54:50,387
where we're at and where we can

4115
01:54:50,387 --> 01:54:51,588
go.

4116
01:54:51,588 --> 01:54:52,456
Um.

4117
01:54:52,456 --> 01:54:53,624
>> but there's supposed to be

4118
01:54:53,624 --> 01:54:53,857
some committee that was to be

4119
01:54:53,857 --> 01:54:54,825
formed.

4120
01:54:54,825 --> 01:54:55,726
Maybe it's just never formed

4121
01:54:55,726 --> 01:54:56,360
and that's what I want to be.

4122
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:57,294
That's what I.

4123
01:54:57,294 --> 01:54:57,528
Wanted it said not it.

4124
01:54:57,528 --> 01:54:58,729
Right.

4125
01:54:58,729 --> 01:55:00,397
But the committee shall be

4126
01:55:00,397 --> 01:55:01,866
formed to discuss issues

4127
01:55:01,866 --> 01:55:03,367
regarding training, safety,

4128
01:55:03,367 --> 01:55:03,801
recruitment, retention

4129
01:55:03,801 --> 01:55:05,636
of officers.

4130
01:55:05,636 --> 01:55:07,905
Uh and the committee MAY meet

4131
01:55:07,905 --> 01:55:09,573
by mutual consent not any less

4132
01:55:09,573 --> 01:55:10,874
than once per year and shall be

4133
01:55:10,874 --> 01:55:12,420
made up of three officers from

4134
01:55:12,420 --> 01:55:13,100
the union and up to three

4135
01:55:13,100 --> 01:55:13,276
representatives from the

4136
01:55:13,276 --> 01:55:14,679
employer.

4137
01:55:14,679 --> 01:55:14,845
So that committee has never met

4138
01:55:14,845 --> 01:55:15,450
.

4139
01:55:15,450 --> 01:55:16,681
No.

4140
01:55:16,681 --> 01:55:18,916
>> thank you very much.

4141
01:55:18,916 --> 01:55:20,916
Thank you the.

4142
01:55:21,585 --> 01:55:22,352
Thank you the chair and I

4143
01:55:22,352 --> 01:55:24,352
recognizes councilor culpeper.

4144
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:25,456
You have the floor and five

4145
01:55:25,456 --> 01:55:26,456
minutes.

4146
01:55:26,456 --> 01:55:27,291
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

4147
01:55:27,291 --> 01:55:28,859
Um.

4148
01:55:28,859 --> 01:55:30,327
>> I wanted to ask the question

4149
01:55:30,327 --> 01:55:31,395
about the training that you do

4150
01:55:31,395 --> 01:55:33,229
in new york.

4151
01:55:33,229 --> 01:55:35,980
How much of that do you do in

4152
01:55:35,980 --> 01:55:35,432
boston or you do none here?

4153
01:55:35,432 --> 01:55:37,432
None.

4154
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:40,171
>> and what kind of training is

4155
01:55:40,171 --> 01:55:42,390
that in new york and would it

4156
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:43,306
meet the requirements in the

4157
01:55:43,306 --> 01:55:45,306
ordinance for training?

4158
01:55:46,143 --> 01:55:48,450
Yes it was this was you know,

4159
01:55:48,450 --> 01:55:50,113
sort of modeled after that the

4160
01:55:50,113 --> 01:55:52,116
basic 40 hour initial and then

4161
01:55:52,116 --> 01:55:53,784
eight hours um, recertification

4162
01:55:53,784 --> 01:55:55,453
and really it was modeled.

4163
01:55:55,453 --> 01:55:55,686
Upon what's in new york in new

4164
01:55:55,686 --> 01:55:56,721
jersey.

4165
01:55:56,721 --> 01:55:58,555
What's in new york now?

4166
01:55:58,555 --> 01:56:00,555
Um, and.

4167
01:56:00,924 --> 01:56:03,160
In terms of operationalizing

4168
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:04,228
it, you heard the discussion

4169
01:56:04,228 --> 01:56:05,696
uh, this morning about some

4170
01:56:05,696 --> 01:56:06,363
of the challenges that they

4171
01:56:06,363 --> 01:56:08,363
would have.

4172
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:11,702
How long do you think knowing

4173
01:56:11,702 --> 01:56:14,805
what's in the contract would it

4174
01:56:14,805 --> 01:56:17,274
take to actually hire the staff

4175
01:56:17,274 --> 01:56:18,542
,uh, put a program in place

4176
01:56:18,542 --> 01:56:20,811
and then implement it?

4177
01:56:20,811 --> 01:56:22,679
How far in the future are you

4178
01:56:22,679 --> 01:56:23,113
looking to have this program

4179
01:56:23,113 --> 01:56:25,113
implemented.

4180
01:56:26,183 --> 01:56:27,217
So that the requirements in

4181
01:56:27,217 --> 01:56:29,617
philadelphia initially were a

4182
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:31,388
very short 30 days but as you

4183
01:56:31,388 --> 01:56:33,560
heard um, in previous testimony

4184
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:34,358
this would not go into effect

4185
01:56:34,358 --> 01:56:36,226
the requirement to be

4186
01:56:36,226 --> 01:56:38,226
implemented until JULY 2027.

4187
01:56:38,662 --> 01:56:41,365
So it would give, you know,

4188
01:56:41,365 --> 01:56:41,598
whatever 11 months uh, of time

4189
01:56:41,598 --> 01:56:43,598
to.

4190
01:56:44,568 --> 01:56:44,835
Prepare and to get it up and

4191
01:56:44,835 --> 01:56:46,436
running.

4192
01:56:46,436 --> 01:56:47,538
Um, you know, our training

4193
01:56:47,538 --> 01:56:48,939
funds are already in existence.

4194
01:56:48,939 --> 01:56:49,172
We know how to do these

4195
01:56:49,172 --> 01:56:50,741
classes.

4196
01:56:50,741 --> 01:56:51,809
It's the same director and

4197
01:56:51,809 --> 01:56:53,276
assistant director of the

4198
01:56:53,276 --> 01:56:53,711
training fund in new york as it

4199
01:56:53,711 --> 01:56:55,345
is here.

4200
01:56:55,345 --> 01:56:57,214
um, we'd have to have some

4201
01:56:57,214 --> 01:57:00,317
local staff and we often call

4202
01:57:00,317 --> 01:57:01,985
upon, um, retired uh, officers

4203
01:57:01,985 --> 01:57:04,388
,uh, police officers to assist

4204
01:57:04,388 --> 01:57:06,556
us, um, in the implementation.

4205
01:57:06,556 --> 01:57:08,425
Um, but I do want to stress if

4206
01:57:08,425 --> 01:57:09,493
it's if I MAY also that the

4207
01:57:09,493 --> 01:57:11,395
question earlier was raised

4208
01:57:11,395 --> 01:57:14,970
about why for profit versus non

4209
01:57:14,970 --> 01:57:14,965
profit right right yeah um and

4210
01:57:14,965 --> 01:57:17,201
we you know we.

4211
01:57:17,201 --> 01:57:19,303
There MAY be some cutting

4212
01:57:19,303 --> 01:57:21,371
of corners in a for profit uh

4213
01:57:21,371 --> 01:57:22,439
company versus a nonprofit um

4214
01:57:22,439 --> 01:57:24,341
and whether it's the community

4215
01:57:24,341 --> 01:57:25,409
colleges or the 32 bridge

4216
01:57:25,409 --> 01:57:27,277
training fund or some other

4217
01:57:27,277 --> 01:57:28,145
nonprofit entity max cash I

4218
01:57:28,145 --> 01:57:30,380
know can do training.

4219
01:57:30,380 --> 01:57:31,648
Um, whoever ends up doing the

4220
01:57:31,648 --> 01:57:33,116
training, we think that, you

4221
01:57:33,116 --> 01:57:35,190
know, their incentive would be

4222
01:57:35,190 --> 01:57:37,888
to provide quality training and

4223
01:57:37,888 --> 01:57:40,288
not to make money.

4224
01:57:40,324 --> 01:57:41,625
And so you've been doing the

4225
01:57:41,625 --> 01:57:41,859
training in new york for how

4226
01:57:41,859 --> 01:57:43,859
long?

4227
01:57:46,563 --> 01:57:50,163
Uh, I think since right after

4228
01:57:50,234 --> 01:57:51,201
911 it was uh 2005 I think.

4229
01:57:51,201 --> 01:57:53,201
Somewhere short.

4230
01:57:54,370 --> 01:57:55,872
>> and do you think that would

4231
01:57:55,872 --> 01:57:56,706
it makes sense for.

4232
01:57:56,706 --> 01:57:58,706
Um.

4233
01:57:59,343 --> 01:58:01,411
>> there to be some kind

4234
01:58:01,411 --> 01:58:03,280
of equivalency or accreditation

4235
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:05,680
process where the city

4236
01:58:05,983 --> 01:58:08,383
evaluates a curriculum rather

4237
01:58:09,486 --> 01:58:10,687
than the tax status or are you

4238
01:58:10,687 --> 01:58:11,321
stuck on the tax?

4239
01:58:11,321 --> 01:58:11,888
>> I think it's.

4240
01:58:11,888 --> 01:58:13,190
Both I think.

4241
01:58:13,190 --> 01:58:15,250
>> it's both yeah.

4242
01:58:15,250 --> 01:58:16,293
Nonprofit and also for the city

4243
01:58:16,293 --> 01:58:17,795
to evaluate the program and

4244
01:58:17,795 --> 01:58:18,228
make sure it's a quality

4245
01:58:18,228 --> 01:58:20,228
program and.

4246
01:58:21,698 --> 01:58:23,166
You know, because sometimes

4247
01:58:23,166 --> 01:58:24,668
they're they aren't and you

4248
01:58:24,668 --> 01:58:25,802
know, the employers want to do

4249
01:58:25,802 --> 01:58:27,504
the program the you know, do

4250
01:58:27,504 --> 01:58:28,739
training themselves they think

4251
01:58:28,739 --> 01:58:31,174
they have that secret sauce.

4252
01:58:31,174 --> 01:58:32,442
But um, we think that it you

4253
01:58:32,442 --> 01:58:34,311
know, really is much better

4254
01:58:34,311 --> 01:58:36,580
done by in third party.

4255
01:58:36,580 --> 01:58:39,250
And do you think there should

4256
01:58:39,250 --> 01:58:43,450
be some kind of uh credit given

4257
01:58:45,222 --> 01:58:47,491
to if even to uh 30 to B.J. For

4258
01:58:47,491 --> 01:58:49,891
the training and experience

4259
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:52,560
already because you've been

4260
01:58:53,463 --> 01:58:55,332
doing it for a while and the

4261
01:58:55,332 --> 01:58:57,434
other piece of that is do you

4262
01:58:57,434 --> 01:58:58,802
think there should be some kind

4263
01:58:58,802 --> 01:59:00,700
of grandfathering in for

4264
01:59:00,700 --> 01:59:00,737
companies that are already

4265
01:59:00,737 --> 01:59:02,737
doing the training?

4266
01:59:03,607 --> 01:59:05,750
Um, the ordinance provides that

4267
01:59:05,750 --> 01:59:06,943
every single officer currently

4268
01:59:06,943 --> 01:59:09,343
employed would get certified

4269
01:59:09,446 --> 01:59:10,714
within I forget 90 days I

4270
01:59:10,714 --> 01:59:13,114
believe or 100 and 880 days.

4271
01:59:13,550 --> 01:59:15,452
Um we think everyone needs this

4272
01:59:15,452 --> 01:59:17,521
training and as you've heard

4273
01:59:17,521 --> 01:59:18,789
people are they they MAY be

4274
01:59:18,789 --> 01:59:19,823
working there a long time but

4275
01:59:19,823 --> 01:59:21,925
they're not getting the

4276
01:59:21,925 --> 01:59:24,194
training and this is only one

4277
01:59:24,194 --> 01:59:25,463
week's training initially 40

4278
01:59:25,463 --> 01:59:26,730
hours and it sort

4279
01:59:26,730 --> 01:59:28,632
of establishes a baseline which

4280
01:59:28,632 --> 01:59:30,501
we think would be good for the

4281
01:59:30,501 --> 01:59:32,569
safety of the officers, the

4282
01:59:32,569 --> 01:59:34,370
safety of the residents and the

4283
01:59:34,370 --> 01:59:35,906
citizens of the city of boston.

4284
01:59:35,906 --> 01:59:37,507
So let me ask this another way.

4285
01:59:37,507 --> 01:59:39,176
So stanley's been working for

4286
01:59:39,176 --> 01:59:40,277
how long stanley have been with

4287
01:59:40,277 --> 01:59:40,511
the company a year and five

4288
01:59:40,511 --> 01:59:42,145
months.

4289
01:59:42,145 --> 01:59:43,414
Uh, and tell him that you've

4290
01:59:43,414 --> 01:59:44,214
been working for how long?

4291
01:59:44,214 --> 01:59:46,214
Six years.

4292
01:59:46,250 --> 01:59:47,317
And sam, you've been working

4293
01:59:47,317 --> 01:59:48,752
for how long?

4294
01:59:48,752 --> 01:59:50,787
So with the company.

4295
01:59:50,787 --> 01:59:51,855
Four years and total six years

4296
01:59:51,855 --> 01:59:53,855
for security.

4297
01:59:53,891 --> 01:59:55,359
And so tanya's six years and

4298
01:59:55,359 --> 01:59:56,994
stanley's four years.

4299
01:59:56,994 --> 01:59:59,496
You think they still should

4300
01:59:59,496 --> 02:00:00,965
have to go through a 40 hour

4301
02:00:00,965 --> 02:00:02,232
program knowing that he's been

4302
02:00:02,232 --> 02:00:03,466
doing it for four years?

4303
02:00:03,466 --> 02:00:05,866
Probably could teach it.

4304
02:00:05,936 --> 02:00:07,604
Tanya, uh, mentioned that she

4305
02:00:07,604 --> 02:00:08,710
had taught some of her

4306
02:00:08,710 --> 02:00:09,272
supervisors.

4307
02:00:09,272 --> 02:00:10,941
You think they should still

4308
02:00:10,941 --> 02:00:12,642
have to go through the program

4309
02:00:12,642 --> 02:00:15,420
for certification for the

4310
02:00:15,112 --> 02:00:17,512
initial certification and then

4311
02:00:18,150 --> 02:00:18,181
each year how many hours was

4312
02:00:18,181 --> 02:00:20,181
it?

4313
02:00:20,617 --> 02:00:20,851
Was it it's eight hours each

4314
02:00:20,851 --> 02:00:22,851
year.

4315
02:00:23,286 --> 02:00:25,286
We do okay.

4316
02:00:25,455 --> 02:00:29,550
We do I mean I know.

4317
02:00:30,327 --> 02:00:32,727
That my time already.

4318
02:00:33,620 --> 02:00:34,498
Uh but you MAY.

4319
02:00:34,498 --> 02:00:36,633
You MAY continue uh.

4320
02:00:36,633 --> 02:00:38,535
>> just just as uh, boston you

4321
02:00:38,535 --> 02:00:39,970
know, uh, police officers have

4322
02:00:39,970 --> 02:00:40,437
continuing ed I'm continuing

4323
02:00:40,437 --> 02:00:41,638
training.

4324
02:00:41,638 --> 02:00:42,339
The people need to be

4325
02:00:42,339 --> 02:00:44,339
continually trained.

4326
02:00:45,575 --> 02:00:46,443
Things change over time and yes

4327
02:00:46,443 --> 02:00:47,244
,we do.

4328
02:00:47,244 --> 02:00:48,110
Okay.

4329
02:00:48,110 --> 02:00:50,110
>> thank you.

4330
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:51,281
Um, did you want to provide an

4331
02:00:51,281 --> 02:00:52,149
answer?

4332
02:00:52,149 --> 02:00:53,160
I see your light is on.

4333
02:00:53,160 --> 02:00:53,250
Did you want to provide an

4334
02:00:53,250 --> 02:00:53,683
answer?

4335
02:00:53,683 --> 02:00:54,885
No.

4336
02:00:54,885 --> 02:00:55,519
Okay, okay.

4337
02:00:55,519 --> 02:00:56,853
And counselor.

4338
02:00:56,853 --> 02:00:58,288
,um.

4339
02:00:58,288 --> 02:00:59,156
>> culpeper, did you have a did

4340
02:00:59,156 --> 02:00:59,423
you have an additional

4341
02:00:59,423 --> 02:01:00,624
question?

4342
02:01:00,624 --> 02:01:02,624
Yeah.

4343
02:01:03,460 --> 02:01:04,928
>> I mean I think everyone

4344
02:01:04,928 --> 02:01:06,997
agrees that there's a gap that

4345
02:01:06,997 --> 02:01:09,499
there is no training and that

4346
02:01:09,499 --> 02:01:09,766
there, uh, needs to be

4347
02:01:09,766 --> 02:01:11,568
training.

4348
02:01:11,568 --> 02:01:14,171
I just think part of the

4349
02:01:14,171 --> 02:01:16,571
challenge is the implementation

4350
02:01:17,474 --> 02:01:21,740
and the creating of an office

4351
02:01:21,478 --> 02:01:23,878
for, um, operationalizing this

4352
02:01:24,381 --> 02:01:24,815
uh, within the city and then

4353
02:01:24,815 --> 02:01:26,815
implementation.

4354
02:01:26,883 --> 02:01:30,860
And so the question is when you

4355
02:01:30,860 --> 02:01:31,955
look at operationalizing this

4356
02:01:31,955 --> 02:01:33,623
and you look at the

4357
02:01:33,623 --> 02:01:35,125
implementation from the city,

4358
02:01:35,125 --> 02:01:37,995
how do you see yourself working

4359
02:01:37,995 --> 02:01:40,464
with the city to help get this,

4360
02:01:40,464 --> 02:01:40,831
uh, in place and then

4361
02:01:40,831 --> 02:01:42,831
implementation?

4362
02:01:43,266 --> 02:01:45,266
Um.

4363
02:01:45,736 --> 02:01:47,604
Well, uh, we would you know,

4364
02:01:47,604 --> 02:01:48,672
our training fund would work

4365
02:01:48,672 --> 02:01:51,174
together with the employers and

4366
02:01:51,174 --> 02:01:52,242
the city to make sure that the

4367
02:01:52,242 --> 02:01:53,510
instructors and the times

4368
02:01:53,510 --> 02:01:54,945
of the classes etc. And

4369
02:01:54,945 --> 02:01:57,470
scheduling them and make you

4370
02:01:57,470 --> 02:01:57,347
know, it's a it's a

4371
02:01:57,347 --> 02:01:59,316
partnership.

4372
02:01:59,316 --> 02:02:01,418
You know, the our training fund

4373
02:02:01,418 --> 02:02:03,887
is a labor management, uh, you

4374
02:02:03,887 --> 02:02:05,556
know, employer employee union

4375
02:02:05,556 --> 02:02:06,623
cooperation and we work

4376
02:02:06,623 --> 02:02:08,492
together to implement the

4377
02:02:08,492 --> 02:02:09,760
training and and in this case

4378
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:12,462
the city would certify that

4379
02:02:12,462 --> 02:02:14,331
that training is um adequate

4380
02:02:14,331 --> 02:02:16,966
and uh, meets the needs.

4381
02:02:16,966 --> 02:02:18,268
And you would charge the for

4382
02:02:18,268 --> 02:02:19,469
the $12.

4383
02:02:19,469 --> 02:02:21,469
Each employer.

4384
02:02:21,705 --> 02:02:21,971
They come for you to pay for

4385
02:02:21,971 --> 02:02:22,472
the.

4386
02:02:22,472 --> 02:02:23,507
Company would.

4387
02:02:23,507 --> 02:02:24,908
>> play okay.

4388
02:02:24,908 --> 02:02:26,543
$312 a year.

4389
02:02:26,543 --> 02:02:27,477
That's what they pay now in new

4390
02:02:27,477 --> 02:02:27,711
york and it would be the same

4391
02:02:27,711 --> 02:02:28,511
here.

4392
02:02:28,511 --> 02:02:30,346
Thank you.

4393
02:02:30,346 --> 02:02:30,714
>> thank you thank you that's

4394
02:02:30,714 --> 02:02:32,490
good bye bye.

4395
02:02:32,490 --> 02:02:33,116
I just have a few questions

4396
02:02:33,116 --> 02:02:36,116
going to start my timer.

4397
02:02:37,187 --> 02:02:38,455
Um, so I want to say thank you

4398
02:02:38,455 --> 02:02:38,889
to everyone who's offered

4399
02:02:38,889 --> 02:02:40,724
testimony.

4400
02:02:40,724 --> 02:02:42,192
um, you all if this was your

4401
02:02:42,192 --> 02:02:42,459
first time, I couldn't tell it

4402
02:02:42,459 --> 02:02:43,593
.

4403
02:02:43,593 --> 02:02:43,861
Uh, you guys, you all were

4404
02:02:43,861 --> 02:02:45,861
great.

4405
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:49,199
Um, wanted to ask a few

4406
02:02:49,199 --> 02:02:50,867
questions, however, um, so you

4407
02:02:50,867 --> 02:02:52,680
know, this was the last

4408
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:52,936
question that I asked to the

4409
02:02:52,936 --> 02:02:54,671
first panel.

4410
02:02:54,671 --> 02:02:55,939
So, you know, we received a lot

4411
02:02:55,939 --> 02:02:57,574
of testimony from industry.

4412
02:02:57,574 --> 02:02:58,842
I've had conversations with

4413
02:02:58,842 --> 02:02:59,509
industry and a lot of the focus

4414
02:02:59,509 --> 02:03:01,509
is on cost.

4415
02:03:01,745 --> 02:03:03,130
Um, the push back is on cost

4416
02:03:03,130 --> 02:03:04,481
and the possibility that

4417
02:03:04,481 --> 02:03:06,149
employers your clients could

4418
02:03:06,149 --> 02:03:07,617
reduce security coverage if

4419
02:03:07,617 --> 02:03:09,286
they were if they had to

4420
02:03:09,286 --> 02:03:10,754
implement something um,

4421
02:03:10,754 --> 02:03:12,656
pursuant to this ordinance, how

4422
02:03:12,656 --> 02:03:14,124
do you respond to that concern

4423
02:03:14,124 --> 02:03:15,392
that, you know, having to

4424
02:03:15,392 --> 02:03:17,261
assume and internalize this

4425
02:03:17,261 --> 02:03:19,996
costs will lead to less

4426
02:03:19,996 --> 02:03:21,264
security coverage and what do

4427
02:03:21,264 --> 02:03:22,980
you think is the cost of not

4428
02:03:22,980 --> 02:03:23,800
having a consistent training

4429
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:24,434
standard for workers, employers

4430
02:03:24,434 --> 02:03:26,434
and the public?

4431
02:03:29,105 --> 02:03:30,373
Well, uh, we work for

4432
02:03:30,373 --> 02:03:32,373
contractors and contractors.

4433
02:03:32,609 --> 02:03:35,111
Um, contract is dependent upon

4434
02:03:35,111 --> 02:03:36,780
the contracting entity and so,

4435
02:03:36,780 --> 02:03:38,849
uh, I would assume that in

4436
02:03:38,849 --> 02:03:40,150
time, uh, that this cost would

4437
02:03:40,150 --> 02:03:42,485
be absorbed by the contracting

4438
02:03:42,485 --> 02:03:44,687
entity, um, as is appropriate.

4439
02:03:44,687 --> 02:03:45,755
Um, this would also serve to

4440
02:03:45,755 --> 02:03:47,570
level the playing field between

4441
02:03:47,570 --> 02:03:48,859
large and small contractors.

4442
02:03:48,859 --> 02:03:50,126
Smaller contractors right now

4443
02:03:50,126 --> 02:03:52,280
have a more difficult time

4444
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:53,696
providing this training, but

4445
02:03:53,696 --> 02:03:55,765
once it's standardized across

4446
02:03:55,765 --> 02:03:57,330
industry both large and small

4447
02:03:57,330 --> 02:03:58,301
contractors would that would be

4448
02:03:58,301 --> 02:03:59,769
standardized and everyone would

4449
02:03:59,769 --> 02:04:01,238
be on a level playing field for

4450
02:04:01,238 --> 02:04:02,939
training, which we thinks would

4451
02:04:02,939 --> 02:04:03,373
actually help smaller companies

4452
02:04:03,373 --> 02:04:05,373
to grow.

4453
02:04:06,810 --> 02:04:08,278
Um, and uh we think that's a

4454
02:04:08,278 --> 02:04:09,546
you know, can be in many cases

4455
02:04:09,546 --> 02:04:11,946
a very good thing.

4456
02:04:13,617 --> 02:04:13,884
So um, what was the other

4457
02:04:13,884 --> 02:04:15,884
question?

4458
02:04:15,886 --> 02:04:16,986
Um, what it what what is the

4459
02:04:16,986 --> 02:04:17,254
cost of not having consistent

4460
02:04:17,254 --> 02:04:19,550
training.

4461
02:04:19,550 --> 02:04:20,724
Standards not having it and

4462
02:04:20,724 --> 02:04:21,992
it's like the amex commercial,

4463
02:04:21,992 --> 02:04:23,930
you know what's the cost of not

4464
02:04:23,930 --> 02:04:24,694
having training prices?

4465
02:04:24,694 --> 02:04:25,929
Um, okay.

4466
02:04:25,929 --> 02:04:27,230
Uh, I have a question uh,

4467
02:04:27,230 --> 02:04:28,899
that's geared more towards uh,

4468
02:04:28,899 --> 02:04:29,766
security to or towards the

4469
02:04:29,766 --> 02:04:31,766
security guards.

4470
02:04:32,402 --> 02:04:33,670
Um, what made you decide to get

4471
02:04:33,670 --> 02:04:34,237
into this into your current

4472
02:04:34,237 --> 02:04:35,472
line of employment?

4473
02:04:35,472 --> 02:04:35,939
What was the decision to become

4474
02:04:35,939 --> 02:04:37,939
a security guard?

4475
02:04:39,609 --> 02:04:39,843
I guess that's both to, uh to

4476
02:04:39,843 --> 02:04:40,243
tania.

4477
02:04:40,243 --> 02:04:41,679
Yeah.

4478
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:43,800
Uh, so honestly.

4479
02:04:43,800 --> 02:04:43,513
Um, be 100%.

4480
02:04:43,513 --> 02:04:44,715
Honest.

4481
02:04:44,715 --> 02:04:46,715
>> I wanted.

4482
02:04:47,951 --> 02:04:48,418
To just, you know, experience

4483
02:04:48,418 --> 02:04:50,418
something new.

4484
02:04:51,454 --> 02:04:53,356
Um, outside of before doing my

4485
02:04:53,356 --> 02:04:55,425
security, I was at boston ball

4486
02:04:55,425 --> 02:04:57,930
and I was the cash register, so

4487
02:04:57,930 --> 02:04:58,128
I wanted to try something new.

4488
02:04:58,128 --> 02:05:00,128
To just.

4489
02:05:00,563 --> 02:05:03,867
You know, have the ball rolling

4490
02:05:03,867 --> 02:05:05,368
but also, um, being a part

4491
02:05:05,368 --> 02:05:05,602
of the public a little bit

4492
02:05:05,602 --> 02:05:07,602
more.

4493
02:05:07,637 --> 02:05:09,506
I do spend my time upstairs

4494
02:05:09,506 --> 02:05:12,209
with the kids at my job a lot

4495
02:05:12,209 --> 02:05:14,878
so I just wanted something new,

4496
02:05:14,878 --> 02:05:17,180
something that would be okay to

4497
02:05:17,180 --> 02:05:18,248
secure people and just remind

4498
02:05:18,248 --> 02:05:20,648
them that they're safe.

4499
02:05:21,618 --> 02:05:22,385
Thank you stanley or I mean you

4500
02:05:22,385 --> 02:05:23,186
don't have to answer the

4501
02:05:23,186 --> 02:05:24,687
question, but it's stanley sam,

4502
02:05:24,687 --> 02:05:26,523
if either of you guys I'm sure.

4503
02:05:26,523 --> 02:05:27,391
So for me, uh, I was out

4504
02:05:27,391 --> 02:05:27,757
of work for a little bit prior

4505
02:05:27,757 --> 02:05:28,992
to that.

4506
02:05:28,992 --> 02:05:29,459
Prior that I was doing, uh,

4507
02:05:29,459 --> 02:05:31,459
government work.

4508
02:05:31,495 --> 02:05:32,963
Um, for green maybe getting

4509
02:05:32,963 --> 02:05:34,397
into the industry is, uh it's.

4510
02:05:34,397 --> 02:05:35,666
Fortunately just don't want

4511
02:05:35,666 --> 02:05:36,466
hire me after.

4512
02:05:36,466 --> 02:05:38,466
Oh hire me.

4513
02:05:38,735 --> 02:05:40,203
So at the time, uh, as time

4514
02:05:40,203 --> 02:05:42,272
went on I've like I already had

4515
02:05:42,272 --> 02:05:43,139
experience in security but it

4516
02:05:43,139 --> 02:05:44,740
does help me.

4517
02:05:44,740 --> 02:05:44,941
Uh, they taught me a lot.

4518
02:05:44,941 --> 02:05:46,941
>> about how to.

4519
02:05:47,377 --> 02:05:47,678
Interact with people, talk and

4520
02:05:47,678 --> 02:05:49,678
de-escalate.

4521
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:50,914
Situations and hopefully turn

4522
02:05:50,914 --> 02:05:52,382
into something different.

4523
02:05:52,382 --> 02:05:54,382
>> so I think.

4524
02:05:54,617 --> 02:05:56,486
Uh, for me personally I started

4525
02:05:56,486 --> 02:05:57,954
going into security because I

4526
02:05:57,954 --> 02:05:59,220
already had some prior

4527
02:05:59,220 --> 02:06:01,124
experience working for other

4528
02:06:01,124 --> 02:06:02,192
jobs and to be very honest I

4529
02:06:02,192 --> 02:06:05,940
was just looking for steady

4530
02:06:05,940 --> 02:06:06,963
work, steady income uh, to be

4531
02:06:06,963 --> 02:06:07,831
honest they had benefits the

4532
02:06:07,831 --> 02:06:09,831
specific site.

4533
02:06:10,867 --> 02:06:12,135
And a decent wage um could be

4534
02:06:12,135 --> 02:06:14,637
better in the greater boston

4535
02:06:14,637 --> 02:06:15,705
area but for my current

4536
02:06:15,705 --> 02:06:16,573
situation it was better than

4537
02:06:16,573 --> 02:06:16,806
nothing to be completely

4538
02:06:16,806 --> 02:06:18,806
honest.

4539
02:06:19,420 --> 02:06:20,543
Thank you and thank you for

4540
02:06:20,543 --> 02:06:21,978
offering that and thank you for

4541
02:06:21,978 --> 02:06:23,680
keeping the people and

4542
02:06:23,680 --> 02:06:23,913
buildings that you work at safe

4543
02:06:23,913 --> 02:06:25,782
.

4544
02:06:25,782 --> 02:06:27,500
It's also great to know that we

4545
02:06:27,500 --> 02:06:27,617
have the experience on the

4546
02:06:27,617 --> 02:06:28,918
council of three former

4547
02:06:28,918 --> 02:06:30,787
security guards who can bring

4548
02:06:30,787 --> 02:06:33,560
their own lived experience into

4549
02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:34,257
this my my older sister one

4550
02:06:34,257 --> 02:06:35,325
of her first jobs was as a

4551
02:06:35,325 --> 02:06:37,361
security guard as well.

4552
02:06:37,361 --> 02:06:38,228
And so I know that for a lot

4553
02:06:38,228 --> 02:06:39,496
of folks working class folks

4554
02:06:39,496 --> 02:06:42,496
this is an important job.

4555
02:06:42,532 --> 02:06:44,340
Um and it's a job that many

4556
02:06:44,340 --> 02:06:45,301
people, you know, end up having

4557
02:06:45,301 --> 02:06:46,970
and it's an important one that

4558
02:06:46,970 --> 02:06:47,837
is worthy of having, uh, the

4559
02:06:47,837 --> 02:06:49,673
training necessary.

4560
02:06:49,673 --> 02:06:50,841
Um, I asked that question in

4561
02:06:50,841 --> 02:06:52,309
part because I think one of the

4562
02:06:52,309 --> 02:06:54,611
goals here is to try to treat

4563
02:06:54,611 --> 02:06:55,450
security work more like a

4564
02:06:55,450 --> 02:06:56,579
profession.

4565
02:06:56,579 --> 02:06:57,481
And so I'm wondering should the

4566
02:06:57,481 --> 02:06:58,748
training credential belong to

4567
02:06:58,748 --> 02:06:59,816
the worker or follow them from

4568
02:06:59,816 --> 02:07:01,451
employer to employer?

4569
02:07:01,451 --> 02:07:02,719
Have you have we thought about

4570
02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:04,821
that and what could that look

4571
02:07:04,821 --> 02:07:05,889
like to and especially in terms

4572
02:07:05,889 --> 02:07:06,156
of creating a career path for

4573
02:07:06,156 --> 02:07:08,156
people?

4574
02:07:08,391 --> 02:07:10,260
Yeah yeah I mean I'm most

4575
02:07:10,260 --> 02:07:11,961
familiar with new jersey which

4576
02:07:11,961 --> 02:07:13,430
is where I work before and you

4577
02:07:13,430 --> 02:07:14,898
would get the called your saw a

4578
02:07:14,898 --> 02:07:16,166
license and so once you had

4579
02:07:16,166 --> 02:07:17,634
that 40 hours initial you'd

4580
02:07:17,634 --> 02:07:19,102
have you saw a license and it

4581
02:07:19,102 --> 02:07:20,570
had to be renewed and it didn't

4582
02:07:20,570 --> 02:07:22,238
matter which employer you were

4583
02:07:22,238 --> 02:07:22,505
with it went from person to

4584
02:07:22,505 --> 02:07:24,505
person.

4585
02:07:25,141 --> 02:07:26,409
So I assume that that this

4586
02:07:26,409 --> 02:07:26,643
that's what this training would

4587
02:07:26,643 --> 02:07:28,780
be.

4588
02:07:28,780 --> 02:07:30,780
Thank you.

4589
02:07:30,113 --> 02:07:32,382
Um, do any of my colleagues

4590
02:07:32,382 --> 02:07:33,883
when I, uh the lead sponsor do

4591
02:07:33,883 --> 02:07:34,351
you have any okay, I'm done

4592
02:07:34,351 --> 02:07:35,785
with my time.

4593
02:07:35,785 --> 02:07:36,853
Do you have any follow up

4594
02:07:36,853 --> 02:07:37,254
questions for this panel?

4595
02:07:37,254 --> 02:07:38,880
Okay.

4596
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:39,550
Thank you.

4597
02:07:39,550 --> 02:07:39,356
I want to thank this panel for

4598
02:07:39,356 --> 02:07:40,490
being here.

4599
02:07:40,490 --> 02:07:41,358
I want to thank you for your

4600
02:07:41,358 --> 02:07:42,258
work and your testimony and the

4601
02:07:42,258 --> 02:07:44,327
work that you do on behalf

4602
02:07:44,327 --> 02:07:45,195
of the residents and out here

4603
02:07:45,195 --> 02:07:46,430
in the city of boston.

4604
02:07:46,430 --> 02:07:48,131
This is just the beginning and

4605
02:07:48,131 --> 02:07:49,199
we'll continue to have ongoing

4606
02:07:49,199 --> 02:07:50,967
conversations to have an

4607
02:07:50,967 --> 02:07:52,135
inclusive dialog to make sure

4608
02:07:52,135 --> 02:07:53,200
that we work and get the

4609
02:07:53,200 --> 02:07:54,704
language and the meaning

4610
02:07:54,704 --> 02:07:57,140
of this um, ordinance right.

4611
02:07:57,140 --> 02:07:57,941
Uh, kevin, you have some final

4612
02:07:57,941 --> 02:07:58,174
remarks that you'd like to

4613
02:07:58,174 --> 02:08:00,174
offer.

4614
02:08:00,310 --> 02:08:02,812
I just wanted to say thank you,

4615
02:08:02,812 --> 02:08:03,380
MADAM Chair louijeune and

4616
02:08:03,380 --> 02:08:04,447
COUNCILMAN Santana for

4617
02:08:04,447 --> 02:08:04,881
sponsoring this.

4618
02:08:04,881 --> 02:08:05,916
Thank you.

4619
02:08:05,916 --> 02:08:06,516
>> thank you, thank you.

4620
02:08:06,516 --> 02:08:08,516
Thanks everyone.

4621
02:08:18,270 --> 02:08:20,270
Thank you.

4622
02:08:20,864 --> 02:08:22,332
>> my I do also want to I

4623
02:08:22,332 --> 02:08:24,434
mentioned several times the

4624
02:08:24,434 --> 02:08:25,802
security guard who passed in uh

4625
02:08:25,802 --> 02:08:27,360
new york city and I failed to

4626
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:28,204
say his name so I just want to

4627
02:08:28,204 --> 02:08:29,873
make sure I just honor the

4628
02:08:29,873 --> 02:08:31,741
memory of I wanted to end in

4629
02:08:31,741 --> 02:08:33,943
this meeting in this in this

4630
02:08:33,943 --> 02:08:34,611
hearing we are now moving on to

4631
02:08:34,611 --> 02:08:36,611
public testimony.

4632
02:08:38,281 --> 02:08:40,583
Um, tribal testimony will be

4633
02:08:40,583 --> 02:08:43,653
called in the order of arrival.

4634
02:08:43,653 --> 02:08:44,721
Um, each person will have two

4635
02:08:44,721 --> 02:08:45,189
minutes to offer public

4636
02:08:45,189 --> 02:08:46,723
testimony.

4637
02:08:46,723 --> 02:08:47,891
As you can see I have not been

4638
02:08:47,891 --> 02:08:49,492
lethal with the timer today but

4639
02:08:49,492 --> 02:08:50,861
if we could try to keep to the

4640
02:08:50,861 --> 02:08:51,940
two minutes that would be

4641
02:08:51,940 --> 02:08:52,562
great.

4642
02:08:52,562 --> 02:08:54,864
Um, first on the list for

4643
02:08:54,864 --> 02:08:55,331
public testimony is um irby

4644
02:08:55,331 --> 02:08:56,132
duran.

4645
02:08:56,132 --> 02:08:58,132
Uh, irby.

4646
02:08:58,801 --> 02:08:59,869
Hello, I want you you have the

4647
02:08:59,869 --> 02:09:01,704
floor in two minutes.

4648
02:09:01,704 --> 02:09:02,438
Um.

4649
02:09:02,438 --> 02:09:03,673
>> good morning.

4650
02:09:03,673 --> 02:09:05,908
good morning, MADAM Chair.

4651
02:09:05,908 --> 02:09:06,176
Um, my name is herbert

4652
02:09:06,176 --> 02:09:08,176
duvernay.

4653
02:09:08,378 --> 02:09:09,646
I'm the founder of and ceo

4654
02:09:09,646 --> 02:09:12,460
of one worker group.

4655
02:09:12,115 --> 02:09:14,184
Well, boston based security

4656
02:09:14,184 --> 02:09:15,510
company employing approximately

4657
02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:17,510
one 200 people.

4658
02:09:17,921 --> 02:09:20,423
I want to make something clear

4659
02:09:20,423 --> 02:09:21,891
from the beginning I believe in

4660
02:09:21,891 --> 02:09:23,159
training and training and

4661
02:09:23,159 --> 02:09:24,361
workforce development.

4662
02:09:24,361 --> 02:09:24,627
Uh, actually part of my

4663
02:09:24,627 --> 02:09:26,627
business.

4664
02:09:27,263 --> 02:09:29,650
But I'm concerned that the

4665
02:09:29,650 --> 02:09:31,650
ordinance will unintentionally

4666
02:09:31,735 --> 02:09:34,370
hurt two groups small and

4667
02:09:34,370 --> 02:09:36,370
disadvantaged businesses trying

4668
02:09:36,906 --> 02:09:38,408
to compete and people who need

4669
02:09:38,408 --> 02:09:38,641
flexible part time work to get

4670
02:09:38,641 --> 02:09:40,641
ahead.

4671
02:09:40,676 --> 02:09:43,760
I know both up.

4672
02:09:43,313 --> 02:09:45,150
Personally I came to this

4673
02:09:45,150 --> 02:09:45,648
country from haiti when I was

4674
02:09:45,648 --> 02:09:47,648
20 years old.

4675
02:09:47,884 --> 02:09:49,552
I didn't speak a word

4676
02:09:49,552 --> 02:09:51,822
of english, I cleaned bathrooms

4677
02:09:51,822 --> 02:09:52,288
,I drove a cab, I work in

4678
02:09:52,288 --> 02:09:54,288
grocery store.

4679
02:09:54,524 --> 02:09:56,826
I did whatever job I could find

4680
02:09:56,826 --> 02:09:58,940
when I enrolled at northeastern

4681
02:09:58,940 --> 02:09:59,162
university I didn't even know

4682
02:09:59,162 --> 02:10:01,597
what I wanted to study.

4683
02:10:01,597 --> 02:10:03,499
Then somebody gave me an

4684
02:10:03,499 --> 02:10:05,969
opportunity to work security at

4685
02:10:05,969 --> 02:10:07,871
dana-farber I receive an

4686
02:10:07,871 --> 02:10:10,271
orientation and basic training

4687
02:10:11,141 --> 02:10:13,209
and then I learn on the job.

4688
02:10:13,209 --> 02:10:15,609
Supervisors and mentors coached

4689
02:10:15,879 --> 02:10:16,746
me, corrected me and wanted

4690
02:10:16,746 --> 02:10:18,746
me to succeed.

4691
02:10:19,582 --> 02:10:19,816
That opportunity changed my

4692
02:10:19,816 --> 02:10:21,684
life.

4693
02:10:21,684 --> 02:10:23,953
I discovered that security

4694
02:10:23,953 --> 02:10:25,989
could become my profession.

4695
02:10:25,989 --> 02:10:28,570
I chose criminal justice,

4696
02:10:28,570 --> 02:10:29,759
earned my bachelor's degree and

4697
02:10:29,759 --> 02:10:31,627
master's degree from

4698
02:10:31,627 --> 02:10:33,627
northeastern university, move

4699
02:10:33,897 --> 02:10:35,565
into management and executive

4700
02:10:35,565 --> 02:10:37,565
leadership and eventually

4701
02:10:38,670 --> 02:10:38,334
founded my own security

4702
02:10:38,334 --> 02:10:40,334
company.

4703
02:10:40,737 --> 02:10:42,171
My career did not start.

4704
02:10:42,171 --> 02:10:43,807
With a card.

4705
02:10:43,807 --> 02:10:45,807
>> of 40 hours checklist.

4706
02:10:45,842 --> 02:10:48,144
It started because somebody

4707
02:10:48,144 --> 02:10:50,413
give me an opportunity that is

4708
02:10:50,413 --> 02:10:52,115
the concern me about this

4709
02:10:52,115 --> 02:10:53,349
ordinance today look at the

4710
02:10:53,349 --> 02:10:55,349
people we hire.

4711
02:10:56,619 --> 02:10:58,870
We hire students, we hire

4712
02:10:58,870 --> 02:11:00,487
immigrants, we hire people

4713
02:11:00,790 --> 02:11:02,258
working on a job we hire people

4714
02:11:02,258 --> 02:11:04,727
would need a weekend or a part

4715
02:11:04,727 --> 02:11:06,290
time job and we want people we

4716
02:11:06,290 --> 02:11:06,462
want to help people to pay

4717
02:11:06,462 --> 02:11:08,462
their bills.

4718
02:11:09,532 --> 02:11:09,999
These are people are actually

4719
02:11:09,999 --> 02:11:11,999
employees.

4720
02:11:12,836 --> 02:11:13,303
Now imagine a student who wants

4721
02:11:13,303 --> 02:11:15,303
to work.

4722
02:11:16,139 --> 02:11:17,607
Security on weekends or someone

4723
02:11:17,607 --> 02:11:20,109
already working a full time job

4724
02:11:20,109 --> 02:11:23,109
who want an additional 15 hours

4725
02:11:23,613 --> 02:11:25,681
a week with before they can

4726
02:11:25,681 --> 02:11:28,184
access the opportunity they now

4727
02:11:28,184 --> 02:11:30,286
have to five 40 hours of time

4728
02:11:30,286 --> 02:11:30,921
so they can they can get the

4729
02:11:30,921 --> 02:11:32,921
training going.

4730
02:11:33,790 --> 02:11:35,258
I do believe that this

4731
02:11:35,258 --> 02:11:36,125
ordinance will be a

4732
02:11:36,125 --> 02:11:38,525
disadvantage to make companies

4733
02:11:38,628 --> 02:11:40,897
like my be competitive because

4734
02:11:40,897 --> 02:11:42,365
it's hard to do that even

4735
02:11:42,365 --> 02:11:45,668
though we did that big event

4736
02:11:45,668 --> 02:11:49,206
that we see outside my firm

4737
02:11:49,206 --> 02:11:51,474
hire and train 100 and I 190

4738
02:11:51,474 --> 02:11:52,341
people and five weeks due to

4739
02:11:52,341 --> 02:11:54,577
the fifa world cup.

4740
02:11:54,577 --> 02:11:55,412
We train our people, we have

4741
02:11:55,412 --> 02:11:57,800
our secret sauce.

4742
02:11:57,800 --> 02:11:59,148
We think that training should

4743
02:11:59,148 --> 02:12:00,216
be something internal because

4744
02:12:00,216 --> 02:12:01,885
that's what companies are going

4745
02:12:01,885 --> 02:12:02,352
to need so they can thrive and

4746
02:12:02,352 --> 02:12:04,352
do better.

4747
02:12:05,788 --> 02:12:08,910
And also for the record myself

4748
02:12:08,910 --> 02:12:10,491
and other minority company

4749
02:12:10,593 --> 02:12:13,960
we're not invited to be on a

4750
02:12:13,960 --> 02:12:14,563
panel at all which I think is a

4751
02:12:14,563 --> 02:12:17,563
disgrace because if we're doing

4752
02:12:17,667 --> 02:12:19,101
this work and we want to help

4753
02:12:19,101 --> 02:12:21,204
security company I wonder what

4754
02:12:21,204 --> 02:12:23,306
people it's a simple thing to

4755
02:12:23,306 --> 02:12:24,774
call the security and small

4756
02:12:24,774 --> 02:12:27,760
business that do business in

4757
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:28,144
the city and have them sit down

4758
02:12:28,144 --> 02:12:30,647
so they can have that

4759
02:12:30,647 --> 02:12:32,315
discussion and as far as I know

4760
02:12:32,315 --> 02:12:32,582
back my was not informed as

4761
02:12:32,582 --> 02:12:33,916
well.

4762
02:12:33,916 --> 02:12:34,884
Just for the record I want to

4763
02:12:34,884 --> 02:12:35,418
make that clear.

4764
02:12:35,418 --> 02:12:36,190
Thank you.

4765
02:12:36,190 --> 02:12:38,190
Thank you.

4766
02:12:39,689 --> 02:12:41,257
Um we are now moving on to uh,

4767
02:12:41,257 --> 02:12:43,125
zoom testimony someone who was

4768
02:12:43,125 --> 02:12:45,395
on a time constraint that steve

4769
02:12:45,395 --> 02:12:48,995
amity you have the floor and

4770
02:12:49,466 --> 02:12:49,832
you have two minutes.

4771
02:12:49,832 --> 02:12:51,832
Um.

4772
02:12:54,904 --> 02:12:56,904
Starting now.

4773
02:12:57,274 --> 02:12:58,341
Uh, you're sorry steve, if you

4774
02:12:58,341 --> 02:12:58,875
could start over because I

4775
02:12:58,875 --> 02:13:00,900
believe you're muted.

4776
02:13:00,900 --> 02:13:01,211
Thank you.

4777
02:13:01,211 --> 02:13:02,779
>> members of the committee.

4778
02:13:02,779 --> 02:13:04,470
My name is steve amata and I'm

4779
02:13:04,470 --> 02:13:05,315
the executive director of the

4780
02:13:05,315 --> 02:13:07,315
national association

4781
02:13:07,584 --> 02:13:08,170
of security companies nasco in

4782
02:13:08,170 --> 02:13:09,652
boston.

4783
02:13:09,652 --> 02:13:10,921
Nasco members employ thousands

4784
02:13:10,921 --> 02:13:12,588
of trained security officers,

4785
02:13:12,588 --> 02:13:14,257
receive initial on the job

4786
02:13:14,257 --> 02:13:15,725
client and site specific and

4787
02:13:15,725 --> 02:13:17,393
recurrent training that enables

4788
02:13:17,393 --> 02:13:18,261
them to successfully perform

4789
02:13:18,261 --> 02:13:20,163
the security tasks required

4790
02:13:20,163 --> 02:13:22,231
of them as laid out in client

4791
02:13:22,231 --> 02:13:22,699
contracts as specified in site

4792
02:13:22,699 --> 02:13:24,699
post orders.

4793
02:13:25,134 --> 02:13:26,202
Nasco believes that all persons

4794
02:13:26,202 --> 02:13:27,700
performing security service

4795
02:13:27,700 --> 02:13:29,700
should undergo baseline

4796
02:13:29,139 --> 02:13:30,206
training but for structural,

4797
02:13:30,206 --> 02:13:32,740
substantive and practical

4798
02:13:32,740 --> 02:13:33,142
reasons stock at 1541 the

4799
02:13:33,142 --> 02:13:35,110
ordinance is not appropriate.

4800
02:13:35,110 --> 02:13:35,745
a vehicle for attaining such.

4801
02:13:35,745 --> 02:13:37,347
>> a goal.

4802
02:13:37,347 --> 02:13:38,848
Has currently drafted as herbie

4803
02:13:38,848 --> 02:13:39,916
just said it will deter persons

4804
02:13:39,916 --> 02:13:42,316
from entering the field.

4805
02:13:42,986 --> 02:13:44,253
Uh it will uh it will cause

4806
02:13:44,253 --> 02:13:46,122
nonprofits and other clients

4807
02:13:46,122 --> 02:13:48,191
who have set security budgets

4808
02:13:48,191 --> 02:13:49,892
to decrease their uh, security

4809
02:13:49,892 --> 02:13:50,860
services because they will not

4810
02:13:50,860 --> 02:13:52,128
be able to absorb the

4811
02:13:52,128 --> 02:13:54,197
additional costs that the

4812
02:13:54,197 --> 02:13:54,631
training will require them to

4813
02:13:54,631 --> 02:13:56,600
pay.

4814
02:13:56,600 --> 02:13:58,670
And perhaps most significantly,

4815
02:13:58,670 --> 02:13:59,336
the ordinance fails to

4816
02:13:59,336 --> 02:13:59,969
comprehend the enormity and

4817
02:13:59,969 --> 02:14:01,400
difficulty of the task.

4818
02:14:01,400 --> 02:14:02,500
At hand.

4819
02:14:02,500 --> 02:14:03,673
There's been some discussion,

4820
02:14:03,673 --> 02:14:04,574
but I think you've got to

4821
02:14:04,574 --> 02:14:06,642
understand that this ordinance

4822
02:14:06,642 --> 02:14:08,711
is assigning all authority and

4823
02:14:08,711 --> 02:14:10,413
responsibility for a 40 hour

4824
02:14:10,413 --> 02:14:11,681
training program to an office

4825
02:14:11,681 --> 02:14:12,949
that has no experience in

4826
02:14:12,949 --> 02:14:14,417
developing, certify and

4827
02:14:14,417 --> 02:14:15,685
implementing administering

4828
02:14:15,685 --> 02:14:17,685
overseeing training programs

4829
02:14:17,754 --> 02:14:18,622
nor is any experience related

4830
02:14:18,622 --> 02:14:20,490
to private security.

4831
02:14:20,490 --> 02:14:21,758
One just needs to look at

4832
02:14:21,758 --> 02:14:23,226
philadelphia to see that this

4833
02:14:23,226 --> 02:14:25,261
is a problematic formula.

4834
02:14:25,261 --> 02:14:26,729
In philadelphia in MARCH a law

4835
02:14:26,729 --> 02:14:28,231
became effective that requires

4836
02:14:28,231 --> 02:14:29,899
all new unarmed security

4837
02:14:29,899 --> 02:14:31,768
officers to undergo a 12 hour

4838
02:14:31,768 --> 02:14:33,436
training requirement and assign

4839
02:14:33,436 --> 02:14:34,704
that task to its office

4840
02:14:34,704 --> 02:14:35,138
of workers protection like the

4841
02:14:35,138 --> 02:14:37,138
ordinance does.

4842
02:14:37,206 --> 02:14:38,274
But now, five months later,

4843
02:14:38,274 --> 02:14:40,343
there's not a single recognized

4844
02:14:40,343 --> 02:14:42,450
security training program for a

4845
02:14:42,450 --> 02:14:43,112
12 hour program far less than a

4846
02:14:43,112 --> 02:14:45,112
40 hour program.

4847
02:14:45,549 --> 02:14:47,150
And also the city has proposed

4848
02:14:47,150 --> 02:14:48,384
it implementation indefinitely

4849
02:14:48,384 --> 02:14:49,452
and it's estimated that

4850
02:14:49,452 --> 02:14:50,320
implement implementing

4851
02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:52,388
regulations will not be

4852
02:14:52,388 --> 02:14:52,655
available for review until

4853
02:14:52,655 --> 02:14:54,655
2028.

4854
02:14:54,891 --> 02:14:56,960
Uh one has to seriously

4855
02:14:56,960 --> 02:14:58,327
question the reality and

4856
02:14:58,327 --> 02:15:00,229
feasibility of implementing the

4857
02:15:00,229 --> 02:15:01,865
bill, you know, in boston.

4858
02:15:01,865 --> 02:15:03,533
And I'll note that the philly

4859
02:15:03,533 --> 02:15:05,100
bill started out as a bill

4860
02:15:05,100 --> 02:15:07,470
almost identical to this bill

4861
02:15:07,470 --> 02:15:08,538
and in the end it was after

4862
02:15:08,538 --> 02:15:10,406
much consideration with.

4863
02:15:10,406 --> 02:15:12,275
Industry and the players errors

4864
02:15:12,275 --> 02:15:13,743
reduced to a 12 hour initial

4865
02:15:13,743 --> 02:15:15,811
requirement an eight hour

4866
02:15:15,811 --> 02:15:18,211
recurring requirement with an

4867
02:15:18,315 --> 02:15:21,315
emphasis on use of force

4868
02:15:21,784 --> 02:15:23,286
de-escalation uh cpr, first aid

4869
02:15:23,286 --> 02:15:23,720
communication and other vital

4870
02:15:23,720 --> 02:15:25,555
skills.

4871
02:15:25,555 --> 02:15:27,220
Relatedly, the ordinance does

4872
02:15:27,220 --> 02:15:28,791
not provide additional staffing

4873
02:15:28,791 --> 02:15:31,327
and appropriations and I would

4874
02:15:31,327 --> 02:15:32,595
note that in minnesota at 2025

4875
02:15:32,595 --> 02:15:34,931
they tried to increase training

4876
02:15:34,931 --> 02:15:36,199
from 12 hours to 40 hours with

4877
02:15:36,199 --> 02:15:37,266
a similar bill and it was

4878
02:15:37,266 --> 02:15:38,968
estimated that it would take

4879
02:15:38,968 --> 02:15:40,837
eight full time staff and a

4880
02:15:40,837 --> 02:15:42,305
budget of well over $1 million

4881
02:15:42,305 --> 02:15:44,741
to get that program rolling.

4882
02:15:44,741 --> 02:15:46,800
Finally, the ordinance somewhat

4883
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:47,477
infers that security officers

4884
02:15:47,477 --> 02:15:48,444
based on a minimum amount

4885
02:15:48,444 --> 02:15:50,346
of required training will have

4886
02:15:50,346 --> 02:15:52,140
a duty to engage with violent

4887
02:15:52,140 --> 02:15:53,820
individuals people in mental

4888
02:15:53,820 --> 02:15:54,951
health crises or people

4889
02:15:54,951 --> 02:15:56,219
impaired by substance that is

4890
02:15:56,219 --> 02:15:57,420
wrong, dangerous and not.

4891
02:15:57,420 --> 02:15:58,688
It's for growing role

4892
02:15:58,688 --> 02:16:00,688
of security officer.

4893
02:16:01,157 --> 02:16:02,425
As the rep said security

4894
02:16:02,425 --> 02:16:04,460
officers are the eyes and ears.

4895
02:16:04,460 --> 02:16:05,728
They are not police officers,

4896
02:16:05,728 --> 02:16:07,596
emts, drug counselors or mental

4897
02:16:07,596 --> 02:16:09,650
health crisis responders who go

4898
02:16:09,650 --> 02:16:10,533
hundreds of hours of training

4899
02:16:10,533 --> 02:16:11,400
and encouraging officers to get

4900
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:11,834
involved in dangerous

4901
02:16:11,834 --> 02:16:13,469
situations.

4902
02:16:13,469 --> 02:16:14,937
Cancer post orders puts

4903
02:16:14,937 --> 02:16:17,240
officers and bystanders at

4904
02:16:17,240 --> 02:16:18,474
physical risk and also exposes

4905
02:16:18,474 --> 02:16:20,376
officers and their companies to

4906
02:16:20,376 --> 02:16:21,811
legal and civil liability.

4907
02:16:21,811 --> 02:16:23,790
We look forward to working with

4908
02:16:23,790 --> 02:16:24,747
the council to come up with

4909
02:16:24,747 --> 02:16:25,982
some common sense legislation.

4910
02:16:25,982 --> 02:16:28,180
Thank you, thank you.

4911
02:16:28,180 --> 02:16:28,451
The chair recognizes gregory

4912
02:16:28,451 --> 02:16:30,451
maynard.

4913
02:16:31,254 --> 02:16:31,487
Uh, you have the floor in two

4914
02:16:31,487 --> 02:16:33,487
minutes.

4915
02:16:34,757 --> 02:16:36,920
Thank you so much.

4916
02:16:36,920 --> 02:16:37,360
Uh, my name is gregory maynard

4917
02:16:37,360 --> 02:16:38,628
and I am the executive director

4918
02:16:38,628 --> 02:16:38,861
of the boston policy institute

4919
02:16:38,861 --> 02:16:40,861
.

4920
02:16:40,897 --> 02:16:42,565
Why is this hearing happening

4921
02:16:42,565 --> 02:16:43,833
now that's an important

4922
02:16:43,833 --> 02:16:44,901
question to ask because this

4923
02:16:44,901 --> 02:16:46,901
hearing is unusual.

4924
02:16:47,737 --> 02:16:48,805
It happened fast in a chamber

4925
02:16:48,805 --> 02:16:50,473
where dockets typically don't

4926
02:16:50,473 --> 02:16:51,941
move very quickly especially

4927
02:16:51,941 --> 02:16:53,410
one like this which is not a

4928
02:16:53,410 --> 02:16:54,877
time sensitive mayoral

4929
02:16:54,877 --> 02:16:56,946
appointment or a piece of city

4930
02:16:56,946 --> 02:16:58,614
hall legislation but instead a

4931
02:16:58,614 --> 02:16:59,281
docket offered by a city

4932
02:16:59,281 --> 02:17:01,281
councilor in AUGUST.

4933
02:17:01,317 --> 02:17:01,584
How fast did this hearing

4934
02:17:01,584 --> 02:17:03,190
happen?

4935
02:17:03,190 --> 02:17:04,888
This docket was offered less

4936
02:17:04,888 --> 02:17:06,522
than a week ago on AUGUST 5th.

4937
02:17:06,522 --> 02:17:08,191
It was scheduled for a hearing

4938
02:17:08,191 --> 02:17:10,920
on AUGUST 6th and now the

4939
02:17:10,920 --> 02:17:10,526
hearing is happening today,

4940
02:17:10,526 --> 02:17:12,526
AUGUST 11th.

4941
02:17:12,562 --> 02:17:14,300
That means this docket cut

4942
02:17:14,300 --> 02:17:14,297
dozens of other dockets in

4943
02:17:14,297 --> 02:17:16,990
line.

4944
02:17:16,990 --> 02:17:18,100
That is a choice that comes

4945
02:17:18,100 --> 02:17:19,669
with an opportunity cost best

4946
02:17:19,669 --> 02:17:21,137
demonstrated using examples

4947
02:17:21,137 --> 02:17:22,605
of the government operations

4948
02:17:22,605 --> 02:17:22,872
committee and the public safety

4949
02:17:22,872 --> 02:17:24,807
committee.

4950
02:17:24,807 --> 02:17:26,475
as of the last council meeting

4951
02:17:26,475 --> 02:17:27,743
on AUGUST 5th, the government

4952
02:17:27,743 --> 02:17:29,612
operations committee which is

4953
02:17:29,612 --> 02:17:30,480
holding this hearing had 30

4954
02:17:30,480 --> 02:17:31,547
dockets before it without

4955
02:17:31,547 --> 02:17:33,547
hearing scheduled.

4956
02:17:33,783 --> 02:17:35,151
That includes an ordinance from

4957
02:17:35,151 --> 02:17:36,419
councilor pepen on the use

4958
02:17:36,419 --> 02:17:38,287
of school bus violation

4959
02:17:38,287 --> 02:17:39,755
detector um detection

4960
02:17:39,755 --> 02:17:41,424
monitoring system devices

4961
02:17:41,424 --> 02:17:43,526
weapons ordinance was first

4962
02:17:43,526 --> 02:17:44,594
offered in 2025 but didn't get

4963
02:17:44,594 --> 02:17:46,429
a hearing last year either.

4964
02:17:46,429 --> 02:17:47,897
The public safety committee,

4965
02:17:47,897 --> 02:17:49,766
which is chaired by henry

4966
02:17:49,766 --> 02:17:51,867
santana, the lead sponsor

4967
02:17:51,867 --> 02:17:53,336
of this docket, had 25 dockets

4968
02:17:53,336 --> 02:17:53,803
without hearing scheduled as

4969
02:17:53,803 --> 02:17:55,803
of AUGUST 5th.

4970
02:17:55,838 --> 02:17:58,307
That number doesn't include the

4971
02:17:58,307 --> 02:17:59,275
public safety briefing that the

4972
02:17:59,275 --> 02:18:01,344
council demanded in a unanimous

4973
02:18:01,344 --> 02:18:02,345
vote, including every

4974
02:18:02,345 --> 02:18:03,312
councilor who's asked a

4975
02:18:03,312 --> 02:18:03,880
question at this hearing back

4976
02:18:03,880 --> 02:18:05,880
on JULY 8th.

4977
02:18:06,949 --> 02:18:08,618
Right now, boston is facing a

4978
02:18:08,618 --> 02:18:10,319
variety of pressing issues from

4979
02:18:10,319 --> 02:18:12,388
the deadliest summer in several

4980
02:18:12,388 --> 02:18:13,856
years to an emotional and

4981
02:18:13,856 --> 02:18:14,190
policy heavy street safety

4982
02:18:14,190 --> 02:18:16,190
conversation.

4983
02:18:16,359 --> 02:18:17,827
More pressing issues are coming

4984
02:18:17,827 --> 02:18:19,295
the first day of school is less

4985
02:18:19,295 --> 02:18:20,329
than a month away, and the

4986
02:18:20,329 --> 02:18:21,397
district has told the school

4987
02:18:21,397 --> 02:18:22,698
committee that another round

4988
02:18:22,698 --> 02:18:24,233
of school closures are coming.

4989
02:18:24,233 --> 02:18:26,502
The council hasn't held

4990
02:18:26,502 --> 02:18:27,170
hearings on any of those issues

4991
02:18:27,170 --> 02:18:29,500
this summer.

4992
02:18:29,500 --> 02:18:29,271
Instead this hearing is

4993
02:18:29,271 --> 02:18:30,473
happening.

4994
02:18:30,473 --> 02:18:31,507
Thank you so much.

4995
02:18:31,507 --> 02:18:33,507
Thank you.

4996
02:18:33,543 --> 02:18:36,543
Uh, the chair recognizes david.

4997
02:18:37,413 --> 02:18:37,881
David, you have the floor and

4998
02:18:37,881 --> 02:18:39,881
two minutes.

4999
02:18:43,152 --> 02:18:44,787
Uh good afternoon everyone.

5000
02:18:44,787 --> 02:18:46,622
my name is david console.

5001
02:18:46,622 --> 02:18:47,690
I'm a co-founder of recon

5002
02:18:47,690 --> 02:18:48,958
security along with alongside

5003
02:18:48,958 --> 02:18:49,391
with my business partner, uh,

5004
02:18:49,391 --> 02:18:51,391
jesse rivera.

5005
02:18:51,461 --> 02:18:52,895
Uh, I want to start out by

5006
02:18:52,895 --> 02:18:54,364
saying I believe in training.

5007
02:18:54,364 --> 02:18:54,797
We train everyone that we

5008
02:18:54,797 --> 02:18:56,232
employ.

5009
02:18:56,232 --> 02:18:58,632
I work security myself.

5010
02:18:59,268 --> 02:19:00,536
Uh, as an immigrant in college

5011
02:19:00,536 --> 02:19:02,205
playing college football, I

5012
02:19:02,205 --> 02:19:04,400
played d3 so I had to work.

5013
02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:05,508
I worked overnight shifts and I

5014
02:19:05,508 --> 02:19:06,175
go straight and play a full

5015
02:19:06,175 --> 02:19:08,175
college football game.

5016
02:19:09,812 --> 02:19:11,514
Um, so I understand the

5017
02:19:11,514 --> 02:19:11,781
importance of just properly

5018
02:19:11,781 --> 02:19:13,781
preparing.

5019
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:14,250
I worked all kinds of security

5020
02:19:14,250 --> 02:19:15,718
.

5021
02:19:15,718 --> 02:19:17,820
I've been a bouncer at clubs so

5022
02:19:17,820 --> 02:19:18,855
I've seen every kind

5023
02:19:18,855 --> 02:19:20,957
of scenario when it comes to

5024
02:19:20,957 --> 02:19:21,791
security in addition to being

5025
02:19:21,791 --> 02:19:23,626
an employer.

5026
02:19:23,626 --> 02:19:24,293
Uh, I started this company when

5027
02:19:24,293 --> 02:19:26,128
I was 26.

5028
02:19:26,128 --> 02:19:29,198
So I get in these rooms and I'm

5029
02:19:29,198 --> 02:19:30,233
the only one at this age.

5030
02:19:30,233 --> 02:19:31,334
I have gray hair.

5031
02:19:31,334 --> 02:19:32,601
That's just why I'm coming

5032
02:19:32,601 --> 02:19:32,869
along from here on in this

5033
02:19:32,869 --> 02:19:34,869
business.

5034
02:19:35,504 --> 02:19:37,573
But I'm still very young and um

5035
02:19:37,573 --> 02:19:40,573
,when we built the company

5036
02:19:41,477 --> 02:19:42,945
from the ground up we face a

5037
02:19:42,945 --> 02:19:45,470
lot of like balancing payroll,

5038
02:19:45,470 --> 02:19:45,881
staffing, insurance and

5039
02:19:45,881 --> 02:19:46,349
competing against national

5040
02:19:46,349 --> 02:19:48,349
companies.

5041
02:19:48,985 --> 02:19:50,453
I've been able to win bigger

5042
02:19:50,453 --> 02:19:51,321
contracts only because

5043
02:19:51,321 --> 02:19:52,788
relationships I played college

5044
02:19:52,788 --> 02:19:53,990
football so I know people and

5045
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:56,459
that's the only reason why, um

5046
02:19:56,459 --> 02:19:58,961
,when it comes to bidding out

5047
02:19:58,961 --> 02:20:00,229
we're getting priced out so you

5048
02:20:00,229 --> 02:20:01,297
add certain things like this if

5049
02:20:01,297 --> 02:20:03,766
it's not implemented the right

5050
02:20:03,766 --> 02:20:06,602
way, uh, it begins to hurt us.

5051
02:20:06,602 --> 02:20:08,504
Um, I've seen other instances

5052
02:20:08,504 --> 02:20:10,172
where a lot of people don't

5053
02:20:10,172 --> 02:20:11,441
want to pay for security just

5054
02:20:11,441 --> 02:20:13,441
another line item.

5055
02:20:13,909 --> 02:20:15,979
So when we passed the cost

5056
02:20:15,979 --> 02:20:17,646
passed the cost off to the

5057
02:20:17,646 --> 02:20:18,715
client then they're like they

5058
02:20:18,715 --> 02:20:20,783
they just go in-house.

5059
02:20:20,783 --> 02:20:22,184
So that hurts us as well.

5060
02:20:22,184 --> 02:20:24,184
Um.

5061
02:20:26,255 --> 02:20:27,924
My partner he came from

5062
02:20:27,924 --> 02:20:29,191
florida, uh, where he seen

5063
02:20:29,191 --> 02:20:31,461
models where the training costs

5064
02:20:31,461 --> 02:20:32,929
are passed off to the employee

5065
02:20:32,929 --> 02:20:35,329
to different economies from

5066
02:20:35,431 --> 02:20:36,532
boston and uh, florida.

5067
02:20:36,532 --> 02:20:36,799
I don't think that's the

5068
02:20:36,799 --> 02:20:38,234
answer.

5069
02:20:38,234 --> 02:20:40,634
Philadelphia has its issues.

5070
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:42,705
Um, I'll be candid.

5071
02:20:42,705 --> 02:20:42,938
This process happened very

5072
02:20:42,938 --> 02:20:44,938
quickly.

5073
02:20:44,974 --> 02:20:46,442
I'm an employer directly

5074
02:20:46,442 --> 02:20:47,910
affected by this ordinance and

5075
02:20:47,910 --> 02:20:49,812
I didn't know it was being

5076
02:20:49,812 --> 02:20:51,470
considered until recently.

5077
02:20:51,470 --> 02:20:52,515
If I didn't know, I imagine

5078
02:20:52,515 --> 02:20:53,582
there are other employers who

5079
02:20:53,582 --> 02:20:53,816
haven't had the opportunity to

5080
02:20:53,816 --> 02:20:55,251
provide.

5081
02:20:55,251 --> 02:20:56,485
So I'm asking the city

5082
02:20:56,485 --> 02:20:57,553
council to give employers

5083
02:20:57,553 --> 02:20:59,210
employees training

5084
02:20:59,210 --> 02:21:00,490
professionals and particularly

5085
02:21:00,490 --> 02:21:02,890
small and minority owned

5086
02:21:03,192 --> 02:21:04,660
businesses more opportunity to

5087
02:21:04,660 --> 02:21:04,994
participate in this

5088
02:21:04,994 --> 02:21:06,994
conversation.

5089
02:21:08,365 --> 02:21:09,365
Training is important but

5090
02:21:09,365 --> 02:21:10,599
implementation, affordability

5091
02:21:10,599 --> 02:21:10,866
and accessibility are just as

5092
02:21:10,866 --> 02:21:12,101
important.

5093
02:21:12,101 --> 02:21:12,968
Let's make sure we get all

5094
02:21:12,968 --> 02:21:13,402
through right before moving

5095
02:21:13,402 --> 02:21:15,402
forward.

5096
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:18,710
Thank you.

5097
02:21:19,375 --> 02:21:20,142
Um I see a name here but I feel

5098
02:21:20,142 --> 02:21:20,643
like they've already talked.

5099
02:21:20,643 --> 02:21:22,244
Is it?

5100
02:21:22,244 --> 02:21:23,746
yeah, he was on the jeff what?

5101
02:21:23,746 --> 02:21:23,913
Uh, you this is just signing

5102
02:21:23,913 --> 02:21:24,313
in.

5103
02:21:24,313 --> 02:21:24,714
Okay, great.

5104
02:21:24,714 --> 02:21:25,314
Yep.

5105
02:21:25,314 --> 02:21:25,714
Okay.

5106
02:21:25,714 --> 02:21:26,949
Um.

5107
02:21:26,949 --> 02:21:28,949
Liam o'connell.

5108
02:21:33,856 --> 02:21:34,890
You have the floor in two

5109
02:21:34,890 --> 02:21:35,424
minutes.

5110
02:21:35,424 --> 02:21:35,958
Thank you.

5111
02:21:35,958 --> 02:21:36,191
>> very much.

5112
02:21:36,191 --> 02:21:36,792
Uh.

5113
02:21:36,792 --> 02:21:37,927
Be brief.

5114
02:21:37,927 --> 02:21:38,594
My name is liam o'connell.

5115
02:21:38,594 --> 02:21:39,462
>> of the law firm.

5116
02:21:39,462 --> 02:21:40,462
>> mclennan.

5117
02:21:40,462 --> 02:21:41,497
>> I represent, uh, securitas.

5118
02:21:41,497 --> 02:21:42,498
Security services.

5119
02:21:42,498 --> 02:21:43,320
Uh, we.

5120
02:21:43,320 --> 02:21:43,599
>> found out.

5121
02:21:43,599 --> 02:21:45,201
>> about this.

5122
02:21:45,201 --> 02:21:47,103
Uh, hearing yesterday, so

5123
02:21:47,103 --> 02:21:47,937
apologies for not having, uh,

5124
02:21:47,937 --> 02:21:49,572
pre-prepared remarks.

5125
02:21:49,572 --> 02:21:50,840
I've sat here and listened to

5126
02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:51,974
all the testimony and really

5127
02:21:51,974 --> 02:21:52,942
just want to echo a few points.

5128
02:21:52,942 --> 02:21:54,377
That were made.

5129
02:21:54,377 --> 02:21:55,144
Securitas has.

5130
02:21:55,144 --> 02:21:56,145
>> a long standing.

5131
02:21:56,145 --> 02:21:56,412
Reputation in the security

5132
02:21:56,412 --> 02:21:58,140
industry.

5133
02:21:58,140 --> 02:21:58,381
It's committed to training its

5134
02:21:58,381 --> 02:21:58,814
employees.

5135
02:21:58,814 --> 02:22:00,249
It has a.

5136
02:22:00,249 --> 02:22:02,151
Positive relationship with its

5137
02:22:02,151 --> 02:22:04,190
union brethren at 32 bjj we

5138
02:22:04,190 --> 02:22:04,453
don't oppose training but we do

5139
02:22:04,453 --> 02:22:05,888
oppose this.

5140
02:22:05,888 --> 02:22:06,889
Ordinance as it presently.

5141
02:22:06,889 --> 02:22:08,889
Uh presented.

5142
02:22:08,891 --> 02:22:09,558
Um there's.

5143
02:22:09,558 --> 02:22:09,959
>> a legitimate.

5144
02:22:09,959 --> 02:22:11,260
Question about.

5145
02:22:11,260 --> 02:22:14,960
>> the state and federal and.

5146
02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:14,463
State or uh city implications

5147
02:22:14,463 --> 02:22:15,498
of this.

5148
02:22:15,498 --> 02:22:17,330
>> uh, to my knowledge.

5149
02:22:17,330 --> 02:22:17,233
>> there are 41 states in the

5150
02:22:17,233 --> 02:22:18,401
union.

5151
02:22:18,401 --> 02:22:19,835
They require security training.

5152
02:22:19,835 --> 02:22:21,671
Those are states, not cities.

5153
02:22:21,671 --> 02:22:22,972
Uh, there's been much talk

5154
02:22:22,972 --> 02:22:24,241
about philadelphia and the

5155
02:22:24,241 --> 02:22:25,541
experience in philadelphia with

5156
02:22:25,541 --> 02:22:26,809
the city ordinance and how

5157
02:22:26,809 --> 02:22:28,277
they've had to scale back what

5158
02:22:28,277 --> 02:22:30,179
was initially proposed in the

5159
02:22:30,179 --> 02:22:31,313
ordinance the 40 hours to 12

5160
02:22:31,313 --> 02:22:32,781
they now are grandfathering

5161
02:22:32,781 --> 02:22:35,684
exit training that was already

5162
02:22:35,684 --> 02:22:37,553
uh conducted as uh council uh

5163
02:22:37,553 --> 02:22:38,421
person uh cole pepper was

5164
02:22:38,421 --> 02:22:38,854
questioning about not.

5165
02:22:38,854 --> 02:22:40,289
>> all.

5166
02:22:40,289 --> 02:22:42,158
The training now is required in

5167
02:22:42,158 --> 02:22:43,225
person but at at some core

5168
02:22:43,225 --> 02:22:45,940
level there is a legitimate

5169
02:22:45,940 --> 02:22:46,762
issue here that much of the

5170
02:22:46,762 --> 02:22:47,630
discussion here today and the

5171
02:22:47,630 --> 02:22:49,699
proposals that are contained

5172
02:22:49,699 --> 02:22:51,601
within the ordinance takes the

5173
02:22:51,601 --> 02:22:53,269
private security function in a

5174
02:22:53,269 --> 02:22:55,669
direction that becomes more

5175
02:22:55,771 --> 02:22:56,500
like a quasi public safety

5176
02:22:56,500 --> 02:22:57,640
role.

5177
02:22:57,640 --> 02:22:58,908
That is not what we do,

5178
02:22:58,908 --> 02:23:00,743
certainly not in all locations.

5179
02:23:00,743 --> 02:23:01,811
In fact we have some clients

5180
02:23:01,811 --> 02:23:03,479
universities in example that

5181
02:23:03,479 --> 02:23:05,714
have their own police force.

5182
02:23:05,714 --> 02:23:07,583
Uh, we have restrictions on

5183
02:23:07,583 --> 02:23:09,251
what our people can do by way

5184
02:23:09,251 --> 02:23:11,754
of security and they can't get

5185
02:23:11,754 --> 02:23:13,220
involved in certain uh,

5186
02:23:13,220 --> 02:23:14,290
incidents and their job is to

5187
02:23:14,290 --> 02:23:15,958
just reported to the police

5188
02:23:15,958 --> 02:23:17,626
either uh, the university

5189
02:23:17,626 --> 02:23:18,940
police, for example, or public

5190
02:23:18,940 --> 02:23:19,729
authorities.

5191
02:23:19,729 --> 02:23:21,197
Uh, and moreover there's been

5192
02:23:21,197 --> 02:23:23,499
some discussion of this already

5193
02:23:23,499 --> 02:23:26,202
a mr amini made the the uh the

5194
02:23:26,202 --> 02:23:28,704
point that our officers and our

5195
02:23:28,704 --> 02:23:30,773
employers don't enjoy uh,

5196
02:23:30,773 --> 02:23:32,641
immunity from um, civil

5197
02:23:32,641 --> 02:23:34,310
litigation, uh, for getting

5198
02:23:34,310 --> 02:23:36,710
involved in such incidents.

5199
02:23:37,179 --> 02:23:38,647
So we respectfully urge the

5200
02:23:38,647 --> 02:23:40,115
council to take more time to

5201
02:23:40,115 --> 02:23:41,183
consider the number of items

5202
02:23:41,183 --> 02:23:42,651
that were discussed here today

5203
02:23:42,651 --> 02:23:44,220
that remain open, including

5204
02:23:44,220 --> 02:23:46,220
whether the infrastructure

5205
02:23:46,922 --> 02:23:47,356
exists to do this training.

5206
02:23:47,356 --> 02:23:49,356
Thank you.

5207
02:23:53,620 --> 02:23:55,620
Thank you.

5208
02:23:55,297 --> 02:23:55,531
Next up we have terry williams

5209
02:23:55,531 --> 02:23:57,531
.

5210
02:23:59,101 --> 02:23:59,568
You have the floor terry and

5211
02:23:59,568 --> 02:24:00,370
two minutes.

5212
02:24:00,370 --> 02:24:02,370
Hi.

5213
02:24:02,404 --> 02:24:04,240
>> thank you.

5214
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:04,874
Um first of all I did just

5215
02:24:04,874 --> 02:24:05,608
reset my hair.

5216
02:24:05,608 --> 02:24:06,241
Uh, let.

5217
02:24:06,241 --> 02:24:06,643
>> me.

5218
02:24:06,643 --> 02:24:07,276
Introduce myself.

5219
02:24:07,276 --> 02:24:08,511
I'm terry williams.

5220
02:24:08,511 --> 02:24:10,511
I'm PRESIDENT.

5221
02:24:10,546 --> 02:24:10,880
And owner of one united bank.

5222
02:24:10,880 --> 02:24:12,715
Um.

5223
02:24:12,715 --> 02:24:13,480
>> headquartered here in

5224
02:24:13,480 --> 02:24:14,483
massachusetts.

5225
02:24:14,483 --> 02:24:17,153
But we also have offices.

5226
02:24:17,153 --> 02:24:18,554
In miami and in los angeles.

5227
02:24:18,554 --> 02:24:20,554
Uh, I.

5228
02:24:21,223 --> 02:24:24,223
Just heard about this, uh,

5229
02:24:24,293 --> 02:24:24,560
hearing and so I didn't prepare

5230
02:24:24,560 --> 02:24:26,560
remarks.

5231
02:24:26,695 --> 02:24:28,564
However, I do want to share our

5232
02:24:28,564 --> 02:24:30,564
experience with security.

5233
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:31,467
Um, we hire security for our

5234
02:24:31,467 --> 02:24:33,467
branches.

5235
02:24:36,772 --> 02:24:38,241
Um, it is a huge expense and

5236
02:24:38,241 --> 02:24:39,909
what we try to do in each

5237
02:24:39,909 --> 02:24:42,811
of the cities we're in is to

5238
02:24:42,811 --> 02:24:45,810
hire locally and to hire small

5239
02:24:45,810 --> 02:24:45,948
firms, um, because they tend to

5240
02:24:45,948 --> 02:24:47,948
be cost effective.

5241
02:24:49,418 --> 02:24:53,180
In addition to that, we also

5242
02:24:53,122 --> 02:24:54,590
have a very limited, uh,

5243
02:24:54,590 --> 02:24:55,424
responsibility that we give to

5244
02:24:55,424 --> 02:24:57,424
those security officers.

5245
02:24:58,930 --> 02:24:59,562
Um, very similar to what uh the

5246
02:24:59,562 --> 02:25:02,640
gentleman just uh, stated that

5247
02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:04,133
was here previously is that we

5248
02:25:04,133 --> 02:25:07,636
don't want them to get involved

5249
02:25:07,636 --> 02:25:08,738
in public safety, um,

5250
02:25:08,738 --> 02:25:11,600
circumstances because it does

5251
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:13,750
put our employees at risk, our

5252
02:25:13,750 --> 02:25:14,943
customers at risk if anything

5253
02:25:14,943 --> 02:25:16,412
does happen, the first charge

5254
02:25:16,412 --> 02:25:19,281
is really to call the police.

5255
02:25:19,281 --> 02:25:21,350
Um, so I believe that this

5256
02:25:21,350 --> 02:25:23,620
ordinance should not be enacted

5257
02:25:23,620 --> 02:25:24,520
,um, because it does take away

5258
02:25:24,520 --> 02:25:26,520
the flexibility.

5259
02:25:28,757 --> 02:25:31,260
For employers like me, uh, to

5260
02:25:31,260 --> 02:25:33,229
hire security firms to do a

5261
02:25:33,229 --> 02:25:34,897
narrow range of responsibility

5262
02:25:34,897 --> 02:25:37,897
and to be cost effective.

5263
02:25:38,133 --> 02:25:39,401
So I would ask that you would

5264
02:25:39,401 --> 02:25:40,200
reconsider this ordinance.

5265
02:25:40,200 --> 02:25:40,602
Thank you.

5266
02:25:40,602 --> 02:25:42,602
Thank you.

5267
02:25:43,672 --> 02:25:44,941
>> um, I believe that's all we

5268
02:25:44,941 --> 02:25:46,141
have for in-person testimony.

5269
02:25:46,141 --> 02:25:47,610
Unless there's anyone else who

5270
02:25:47,610 --> 02:25:48,770
is here to offer in-person

5271
02:25:48,770 --> 02:25:50,770
testimony.

5272
02:25:50,213 --> 02:25:51,447
Megan, do we have.

5273
02:25:51,447 --> 02:25:52,214
Anyone signed up virtually.

5274
02:25:52,214 --> 02:25:53,649
>> we have oh, yes.

5275
02:25:53,649 --> 02:25:56,351
We have one additional person

5276
02:25:56,351 --> 02:25:56,986
to, uh, offer testimony online

5277
02:25:56,986 --> 02:25:58,986
via zoom.

5278
02:26:01,560 --> 02:26:02,724
Um, rob cook uh, you have the

5279
02:26:02,724 --> 02:26:05,270
floor and you have two minutes

5280
02:26:05,270 --> 02:26:07,427
for public testimony starting.

5281
02:26:07,696 --> 02:26:07,997
With moment by moment.

5282
02:26:07,997 --> 02:26:09,997
Uh.

5283
02:26:12,869 --> 02:26:14,869
Okay.

5284
02:26:15,905 --> 02:26:16,939
>> okay.

5285
02:26:16,939 --> 02:26:18,939
Starting now.

5286
02:26:20,900 --> 02:26:22,445
Thank you, MADAM Vice chair.

5287
02:26:22,445 --> 02:26:24,146
Uh, counselor santana and, uh,

5288
02:26:24,146 --> 02:26:26,415
the committee um, there were

5289
02:26:26,415 --> 02:26:27,416
just a few concerns, uh, raised

5290
02:26:27,416 --> 02:26:29,351
today that I'd like to.

5291
02:26:29,351 --> 02:26:30,185
Oh, can you not hear me?

5292
02:26:30,185 --> 02:26:31,320
We can hear you.

5293
02:26:31,320 --> 02:26:32,454
We can you okay.

5294
02:26:32,454 --> 02:26:33,689
Yeah, we can hear you.

5295
02:26:33,689 --> 02:26:34,624
Um, yeah.

5296
02:26:34,624 --> 02:26:35,825
So there were just a few

5297
02:26:35,825 --> 02:26:37,626
concerns, uh, raised today.

5298
02:26:37,626 --> 02:26:40,729
I'm, uh I'm the, uh, policy

5299
02:26:40,729 --> 02:26:41,797
fellow at 32 pj uh, and a few

5300
02:26:41,797 --> 02:26:44,500
concerns I just wanted to

5301
02:26:44,500 --> 02:26:46,368
briefly address um, there there

5302
02:26:46,368 --> 02:26:47,236
were some concerns raised about

5303
02:26:47,236 --> 02:26:48,504
whether this bill would

5304
02:26:48,504 --> 02:26:50,904
conflict with state law.

5305
02:26:51,140 --> 02:26:52,207
Um, and, uh, we don't think

5306
02:26:52,207 --> 02:26:52,641
there's a cause for concern

5307
02:26:52,641 --> 02:26:54,641
there.

5308
02:26:54,877 --> 02:26:56,378
Um, well, uh, municipal law

5309
02:26:56,378 --> 02:26:58,247
that's inconsistent with state

5310
02:26:58,247 --> 02:26:58,481
law can be preempted in some

5311
02:26:58,481 --> 02:27:00,481
cases.

5312
02:27:01,551 --> 02:27:02,618
Um and state law here does

5313
02:27:02,618 --> 02:27:03,886
include a registration scheme

5314
02:27:03,886 --> 02:27:05,886
for security companies.

5315
02:27:06,321 --> 02:27:07,790
Um, there's no state level

5316
02:27:07,790 --> 02:27:08,123
unarmed guard training

5317
02:27:08,123 --> 02:27:10,123
requirements.

5318
02:27:10,693 --> 02:27:13,395
Uh, so there's no conflict

5319
02:27:13,395 --> 02:27:14,463
between state law and uh, this

5320
02:27:14,463 --> 02:27:16,463
municipal proposal.

5321
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:20,803
Um, I think another point to be

5322
02:27:20,803 --> 02:27:22,671
made about part timers, uh and

5323
02:27:22,671 --> 02:27:24,173
the uh timeline of getting the

5324
02:27:24,173 --> 02:27:25,841
training if you're a busy part

5325
02:27:25,841 --> 02:27:28,241
timer, uh, existing employees

5326
02:27:28,344 --> 02:27:28,777
have uh, half a year to finish

5327
02:27:28,777 --> 02:27:30,112
the training.

5328
02:27:30,112 --> 02:27:32,214
Uh, and new employees have to

5329
02:27:32,214 --> 02:27:34,116
have three months and, uh, we

5330
02:27:34,116 --> 02:27:37,116
think that part timers, uh,

5331
02:27:37,419 --> 02:27:38,454
deserve uh, you know, the the

5332
02:27:38,454 --> 02:27:40,550
support and the preparation

5333
02:27:40,550 --> 02:27:40,289
that full timers would get as

5334
02:27:40,289 --> 02:27:42,289
well.

5335
02:27:42,925 --> 02:27:45,227
Um, and and I guess as far as

5336
02:27:45,227 --> 02:27:46,695
uh, questions about the role

5337
02:27:46,695 --> 02:27:48,764
of officers officer security

5338
02:27:48,764 --> 02:27:50,320
officers acting as the eyes and

5339
02:27:50,320 --> 02:27:51,400
ears.

5340
02:27:51,400 --> 02:27:52,668
Um, you know, they do wear

5341
02:27:52,668 --> 02:27:54,737
uniforms and people look to

5342
02:27:54,737 --> 02:27:56,605
them in emergencies so they're

5343
02:27:56,605 --> 02:27:59,500
involved in public safety.

5344
02:27:59,275 --> 02:28:01,675
Uh uh, regardless, um.

5345
02:28:02,511 --> 02:28:04,813
And uh several uh of the guards

5346
02:28:04,813 --> 02:28:06,810
who testified have mentioned uh

5347
02:28:06,810 --> 02:28:06,515
the police don't always arrive

5348
02:28:06,515 --> 02:28:08,515
right away.

5349
02:28:09,786 --> 02:28:11,854
Um, and and training like cpr

5350
02:28:11,854 --> 02:28:12,870
and de-escalation can can save

5351
02:28:12,870 --> 02:28:14,870
lives.

5352
02:28:15,157 --> 02:28:16,825
Uh, so because security

5353
02:28:16,825 --> 02:28:18,294
officers do find themselves in

5354
02:28:18,294 --> 02:28:20,195
harm's way regardless of the

5355
02:28:20,195 --> 02:28:22,265
intent of the companies in

5356
02:28:22,265 --> 02:28:23,532
terms of their uh, the

5357
02:28:23,532 --> 02:28:25,401
limitations on when they should

5358
02:28:25,401 --> 02:28:27,469
intervene, uh, we do think

5359
02:28:27,469 --> 02:28:29,371
that, uh, it's it's a serious

5360
02:28:29,371 --> 02:28:29,806
risk not to provide them basic

5361
02:28:29,806 --> 02:28:31,641
training.

5362
02:28:31,641 --> 02:28:32,174
Um, and uh.

5363
02:28:32,174 --> 02:28:32,708
>> I.

5364
02:28:32,708 --> 02:28:34,243
Think that's.

5365
02:28:34,243 --> 02:28:34,677
>> all uh, all I wanted to say.

5366
02:28:34,677 --> 02:28:36,677
So thank.

5367
02:28:37,246 --> 02:28:38,414
>> you, thank you, thank you

5368
02:28:38,414 --> 02:28:40,115
and thank you to everyone who

5369
02:28:40,115 --> 02:28:42,515
is offered public testimony.

5370
02:28:45,387 --> 02:28:46,555
Um, I want to thank the panel

5371
02:28:46,555 --> 02:28:47,423
and I want to thank the

5372
02:28:47,423 --> 02:28:48,891
administration panel advocate

5373
02:28:48,891 --> 02:28:50,359
panel I want to thank those who

5374
02:28:50,359 --> 02:28:50,826
testified, including those from

5375
02:28:50,826 --> 02:28:52,826
industry.

5376
02:28:53,896 --> 02:28:56,765
And I will now turn it over to

5377
02:28:56,765 --> 02:28:58,434
my uh, co-sponsor to the lead

5378
02:28:58,434 --> 02:28:59,635
sponsor council, santana, for

5379
02:28:59,635 --> 02:29:00,202
any closing remarks that you

5380
02:29:00,202 --> 02:29:00,602
would like to make.

5381
02:29:00,602 --> 02:29:02,602
Right.

5382
02:29:02,671 --> 02:29:03,939
>> thank you because I want to

5383
02:29:03,939 --> 02:29:06,441
thank you, MADAM Chair, for for

5384
02:29:06,441 --> 02:29:07,609
chairing us um, today I do want

5385
02:29:07,609 --> 02:29:09,711
to thank the administration and

5386
02:29:09,711 --> 02:29:11,179
our advocate panel, um, for

5387
02:29:11,179 --> 02:29:13,480
being, um, willing to come and

5388
02:29:13,480 --> 02:29:13,316
testify and answer our

5389
02:29:13,316 --> 02:29:15,316
questions.

5390
02:29:16,351 --> 02:29:17,553
Um, and I do want to uh I do

5391
02:29:17,553 --> 02:29:18,387
want to thank the public and

5392
02:29:18,387 --> 02:29:20,289
people who provided public

5393
02:29:20,289 --> 02:29:20,556
testimony, um, who are here

5394
02:29:20,556 --> 02:29:21,590
today.

5395
02:29:21,590 --> 02:29:22,624
I've also had many

5396
02:29:22,624 --> 02:29:23,692
conversations over the last

5397
02:29:23,692 --> 02:29:25,194
several days including with

5398
02:29:25,194 --> 02:29:26,461
some um, you know, I think

5399
02:29:26,461 --> 02:29:27,296
people who are supporting and

5400
02:29:27,296 --> 02:29:29,296
have questions or.

5401
02:29:29,765 --> 02:29:30,933
Concerns or opposing um, this

5402
02:29:30,933 --> 02:29:32,201
ordinance and I want to make

5403
02:29:32,201 --> 02:29:34,690
sure that um, as the lead

5404
02:29:34,690 --> 02:29:36,371
sponsor that I'm taking those

5405
02:29:36,371 --> 02:29:36,638
um, conversations um,

5406
02:29:36,638 --> 02:29:38,240
seriously.

5407
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:39,341
So I'll tell you today

5408
02:29:39,341 --> 02:29:39,575
obviously you're here in this

5409
02:29:39,575 --> 02:29:41,410
chamber.

5410
02:29:41,410 --> 02:29:42,678
Uh, but my office and myself

5411
02:29:42,678 --> 02:29:44,546
are wanting to always meet, um

5412
02:29:44,546 --> 02:29:46,480
,um, with a meeting, um, to

5413
02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:47,316
make sure that, um, we're

5414
02:29:47,316 --> 02:29:49,585
meeting the needs um and

5415
02:29:49,585 --> 02:29:51,487
hearing um, again, uh, all

5416
02:29:51,487 --> 02:29:52,855
sides here, uh, I want to make

5417
02:29:52,855 --> 02:29:53,922
sure that this, um, is you

5418
02:29:53,922 --> 02:29:54,356
know, I think we've heard from

5419
02:29:54,356 --> 02:29:56,125
multiple councilors.

5420
02:29:56,125 --> 02:29:57,626
Um, we want to make sure that

5421
02:29:57,626 --> 02:29:59,228
we get this right and we want

5422
02:29:59,228 --> 02:30:01,497
to make sure that, um, even,

5423
02:30:01,497 --> 02:30:02,197
um, uh, we want to make sure

5424
02:30:02,197 --> 02:30:03,532
that we get this right.

5425
02:30:03,532 --> 02:30:04,600
We want to make sure that, um,

5426
02:30:04,600 --> 02:30:07,102
the intent of this one entity

5427
02:30:07,102 --> 02:30:09,400
again is to, um, really protect

5428
02:30:09,400 --> 02:30:09,238
our workers, um, frontline

5429
02:30:09,238 --> 02:30:10,706
workers.

5430
02:30:10,706 --> 02:30:12,374
Um, but we want to make sure

5431
02:30:12,374 --> 02:30:14,243
that all parties and people who

5432
02:30:14,243 --> 02:30:15,711
are affected by this, um, uh,

5433
02:30:15,711 --> 02:30:16,779
are a part of the table and

5434
02:30:16,779 --> 02:30:18,814
part of the conversation.

5435
02:30:18,814 --> 02:30:20,682
So um, I encourage um, those

5436
02:30:20,682 --> 02:30:22,451
who do want to meet with me in

5437
02:30:22,451 --> 02:30:24,219
my office um, to reach out.

5438
02:30:24,219 --> 02:30:25,287
Um, I will also be reaching out

5439
02:30:25,287 --> 02:30:27,356
proactively also if you

5440
02:30:27,356 --> 02:30:28,624
weren't, um, invited as a panel

5441
02:30:28,624 --> 02:30:31,326
here, I hope that you don't

5442
02:30:31,326 --> 02:30:32,394
take it as a as uh um sign

5443
02:30:32,394 --> 02:30:32,862
of disrespect or any of that

5444
02:30:32,862 --> 02:30:34,696
stuff.

5445
02:30:34,696 --> 02:30:36,865
Um, I want to meet with you.

5446
02:30:36,865 --> 02:30:37,499
Um, um, we want to make sure

5447
02:30:37,499 --> 02:30:39,601
that we get this right.

5448
02:30:39,601 --> 02:30:40,690
I do want thank um, 32 bj for

5449
02:30:40,690 --> 02:30:42,690
your work.

5450
02:30:42,705 --> 02:30:44,606
um, and in bringing this to

5451
02:30:44,606 --> 02:30:45,841
this point as well and and I

5452
02:30:45,841 --> 02:30:47,109
want to thank particularly the

5453
02:30:47,109 --> 02:30:48,811
the workers who shared their

5454
02:30:48,811 --> 02:30:50,979
stories um I you know, I

5455
02:30:50,979 --> 02:30:52,181
acknowledge that it takes a lot

5456
02:30:52,181 --> 02:30:54,249
of courage to be able to come

5457
02:30:54,249 --> 02:30:55,717
and share your experience um,

5458
02:30:55,717 --> 02:30:56,185
and not always positive

5459
02:30:56,185 --> 02:30:58,200
experiences.

5460
02:30:58,200 --> 02:30:59,121
Especially when your your you

5461
02:30:59,121 --> 02:31:00,689
have an employer as well right?

5462
02:31:00,689 --> 02:31:02,558
So I do want to thank them for

5463
02:31:02,558 --> 02:31:04,593
their um for their testimony.

5464
02:31:04,593 --> 02:31:05,427
Um thank you MADAM Chair.

5465
02:31:05,427 --> 02:31:06,628
Um that's.

5466
02:31:06,628 --> 02:31:08,630
A member of my.

5467
02:31:08,630 --> 02:31:09,866
Thank you.

5468
02:31:09,866 --> 02:31:10,766
And thank you again, counselor

5469
02:31:10,766 --> 02:31:11,934
santana for your leadership and

5470
02:31:11,934 --> 02:31:14,203
for offering this thank you to

5471
02:31:14,203 --> 02:31:15,838
the for, uh, your work.

5472
02:31:15,838 --> 02:31:17,339
I want to just echo what you

5473
02:31:17,339 --> 02:31:19,841
stated that I think this is the

5474
02:31:19,841 --> 02:31:20,142
beginning of important

5475
02:31:20,142 --> 02:31:21,410
legislation.

5476
02:31:21,410 --> 02:31:22,478
Um, it was really important for

5477
02:31:22,478 --> 02:31:24,347
me to hear from our security

5478
02:31:24,347 --> 02:31:25,815
guards who every day sometimes

5479
02:31:25,815 --> 02:31:27,282
people walk by and not really

5480
02:31:27,282 --> 02:31:28,350
notice the labor that they're

5481
02:31:28,350 --> 02:31:29,251
doing and the importance

5482
02:31:29,251 --> 02:31:30,850
of making sure that they have

5483
02:31:30,850 --> 02:31:31,153
the requisite training right,

5484
02:31:31,153 --> 02:31:32,554
not just for their benefit.

5485
02:31:32,554 --> 02:31:33,722
Right.

5486
02:31:33,722 --> 02:31:34,790
Making sure that they have the

5487
02:31:34,790 --> 02:31:35,657
requisite training is also for

5488
02:31:35,657 --> 02:31:37,293
everyone else's benefit.

5489
02:31:37,293 --> 02:31:39,795
Um, and we know that there's

5490
02:31:39,795 --> 02:31:40,863
there's wild variation in the

5491
02:31:40,863 --> 02:31:41,897
industry in terms of what

5492
02:31:41,897 --> 02:31:43,399
training is and isn't offered

5493
02:31:43,399 --> 02:31:45,267
and I think there's a lot to

5494
02:31:45,267 --> 02:31:46,235
learn uh, from what is actually

5495
02:31:46,235 --> 02:31:46,501
happening in those in the

5496
02:31:46,501 --> 02:31:47,936
industry.

5497
02:31:47,936 --> 02:31:48,804
So again this is the beginning

5498
02:31:48,804 --> 02:31:50,804
of a conversation.

5499
02:31:50,839 --> 02:31:52,941
This is an ordinance that was

5500
02:31:52,941 --> 02:31:54,443
offered um, and from ordinances

5501
02:31:54,443 --> 02:31:55,311
we have additional hearings, we

5502
02:31:55,311 --> 02:31:56,378
have additional working

5503
02:31:56,378 --> 02:31:58,547
sessions and we have additional

5504
02:31:58,547 --> 02:32:00,849
work uh, just to make that very

5505
02:32:00,849 --> 02:32:01,751
clear but I really, um, uh,

5506
02:32:01,751 --> 02:32:03,418
appreciate everyone for coming

5507
02:32:03,418 --> 02:32:04,887
forward for offering testimony

5508
02:32:04,887 --> 02:32:06,255
and for making sure that we do

5509
02:32:06,255 --> 02:32:07,556
work, uh, that we do right by

5510
02:32:07,556 --> 02:32:10,392
our workers and by our city.

5511
02:32:10,392 --> 02:32:13,992
Um, with that this hearing on

5512
02:32:14,329 --> 02:32:14,596
docket number one of 541 is

5513
02:32:14,596 --> 02:32:16,596
adjourned.