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Buying this.

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Good morning everyone.

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For the record my name is liz

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breadon, city

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council PRESIDENT, district

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nine city councilor and chair

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of the boston city

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council committee on rules,

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ethics and administration.

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Today is AUGUST 13th 2026 and

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Today's hearing is on docket

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number 0475.

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Order for a hearing to review

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the application and intent

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of rule 15 this matter.

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councilors aaron flynn and

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councilmember um erin murphy

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and councilor flynn and was

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referred to the committee on

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MARCH 4th 2026.

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Uh, today I am joined by my

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colleagues uh, in order

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of arrival councilor flynn.

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Um, councilor murphy and we

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have a letter of absence, uh,

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from councilor pepen.

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Just, uh I'd like to start with

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some opening remarks.

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I want to thank, uh, michelle

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goldberg and alex of the city

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clerk for being here and and to

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and bring resources to this

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process being we began this

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term with a collaborative rules

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process, uh, multiple working

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sessions.

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opportunity to discuss the

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rules and ensure they're

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meeting the needs of the

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council and current practice.

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This is a chance for us to

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>> look at how the rule is

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functioning and ask what

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improvements, if any might help

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us operate more smoothly.

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Every councilor has been around

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rule 15 at some point there's a

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sure our rules are leading to.

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A councilor has been uh uh

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every councilor has been rule

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shared desire to make sure our

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rules are leading to a smooth

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as smooth a council process.

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councilor fitzgerald.

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to also introduce today's

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panelists.

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city truck uh, of the city

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clerk of the city of boston and

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michelle goldberg, uh, who's

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the central staff director for

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the city of boston.

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Um, we'll open up with, um, two

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minutes opening statements for

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the for uh, colleagues, um,

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councilor my constituents and

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countryman murphy, since you're

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the lead sponsor.

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Thank you.

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It's different to see you,

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michelle and clark.

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Um, across.

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But thank you for being here.

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Like I said, I know since it's

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my fifth year on the council we

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have had and I think it's a

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productive thing to do.

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crowley room talking through

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the rules.

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I know when council of flynn

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was the PRESIDENT A couple

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times we just went through all

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the rules to kind of make sure

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we were in an understanding

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of we're using them to the true

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intent of making sure everyone

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on the council feels as though

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the rules they're not supposed

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to be used against us, they're

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supposed to support us and help

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the work that we push forward.

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I was telling um you clark

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trent is that when I looked

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back we filed this over five

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months ago.

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intent then I had to remind

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myself why I felt the need to

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put it to a hearing.

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where certain filings have been

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rule 15 and I do just want to

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take a couple seconds of my

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time to make sure those

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listening in it's clear what

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rule 15 means and.

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I felt even after speaking to

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the clerk and speaking to you,

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michelle, that it's still maybe

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had been pulled or didn't seem

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as though it was being

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consistently applied.

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Across the board.

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So rule 15 governs the filing

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of matters that are duplicative

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or of substantial similar

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matters already in committee or

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previously acted upon during

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that municipal year.

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It provides that it shall not

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preclude filings whose content

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is on a different sub topic or

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for which a hearing or debate

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would not result in the same

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hearing or the same debate as a

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previous filing.

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So of course there's open to

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interpretation.

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placing on the agenda only the

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first file matter when filings

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are determined.

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>> or substantially similar.

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And in the case that brought

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me to do this, it was a women's

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history month resolution and I

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did get a call at my house, um,

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on a friday morning, um, from

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the clerk to say, you know,

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these are similar and or and

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then we talked through and

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changes were made in time.

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were made it was still rule 15.

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And you know, other things kind

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of snowballed after that.

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But um I think it's important

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that consistency and flaherty

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in this conversation I hope

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will get us to a place where

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people feel as though.

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You know, things are being done

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fairly 100% agree that if

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something is duplicative rules

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apply to everyone you can't

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file it.

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I also think there's a small

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right it's a finite it's not an

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infinite number of filings that

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we can work on on the

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council and many times they are

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very similar in nature,

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especially when we all care

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about many of the similar

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quality of life issues.

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intent or a different outcome

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we're hoping for and they MAY

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seem similar, but I do think we

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should make sure we're using

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the.

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Rules to support each other and

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support the work that

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ultimately we're always trying

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to uplift.

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Not personally ourselves.

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So looking forward to this

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conversation and thank you for.

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Both of you for being here for

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it.

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Thank you.

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Councilor flynn.

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And thank you, MADAM Chair and

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Thank you for your leadership

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on this issue.

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MADAM Chair.

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And I want to say thank you to

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our city clerk and to the staff

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director for the important

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professional work they do every

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day on behalf of the city

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council but on behalf of the

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residents of the city as well.

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i want to say thank you to

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councilor murphy for bringing

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this forward, including me as

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an original co-sponsor that

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councilor murphy highlighted

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the importance of rule 15 one

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aspect of rule 15.

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I just want to stress is.

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Having everybody be consistent

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Everybody knows the rules.

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Everybody knows what to expect

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Ensuring that everybody is

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heard.

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Everybody has respect even when

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we disagree.

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We can give someone an

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explanation of why fifth rule

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15 might be might preclude that

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matter from moving forward and

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with an explanation that it's

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duplicative or very similar.

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I think that answer with an

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explanation goes a long way.

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So I'm just want to encourage

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my colleagues, um, to continue

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to work with the chair, work

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with the city clerk with the

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with the staff director as

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well.

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And this is an important city

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council hearing one of the most

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important of of of the year

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because it gives everybody an

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important opportunity to ask

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questions directly to the

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clerk, directly to the staff

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director and they know these

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rules um, extremely well and

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this is our opportunity to

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engage with them and want to

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encourage my colleagues to ask

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pertinent questions.

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And this is the time to do it.

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So we want to welcome all of my

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colleagues that are here.

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I know city

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councilor fitzgerald is here as

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well.

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um thank you, MADAM Chair.

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Thank you.

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Um councilor fitzgerald.

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Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

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Um, as always at the beginning

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of this year when I, uh.

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First blocked.

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Uh, the first meeting to make

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sure we understood the rules

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of starting off the city

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council here.

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I always appreciate

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understanding the rules more

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and making sure we're all on

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the same page.

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Uh, and so I'm here to learn

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and educate myself more and

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look to you guys as always and

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thank you all for the work you

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do to educate us every day I

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appreciate it.

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Uh that's all thank you ma'am.

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Thank you.

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>> um.

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So, um I've introduced our

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today's panelists.

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Um, I'd just like to give you

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councilor um, MR. Clerk and.

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And.

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>> um, michelle, uh, director

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of um central staff if you have

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any, uh, remarks to opening

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remarks to make at this point.

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>> it's okay.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah, I think I'm.

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I think you're good.

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Um, well, um, happy to be here

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today for this discussion.

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Um, really fun to sit on this

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side.

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Um, I think, um I didn't really

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prepare it but, you know, big

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opening statement or anything

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like that.

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Um, but I think all of you

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covered it in terms of, you

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know, the city council rules

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are meant to support the work

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of the body.

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um, and I mean, that's the

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whole point.

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So, um, important to review

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them, make sure that they are

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doing what the body wants them

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to be doing.

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Um, and equally important to

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make sure that councilors staff

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and the clerk's office are all

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on the same page.

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So, um, thank you to the chair.

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Thank you to the sponsors.

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Um, thank you for to everyone

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here for um the opportunity to

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to talk about rule 15 which is

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one of our more.

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Um, you know.

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I don't wanna say confusing but

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you know, um.

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Uh.

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>> rules that is is sometimes

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difficult to interpret.

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So thank you.

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MISTER Chair.

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Thank you, council for the

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invitation to be here today.

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Uh.

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Likewise myself.

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It's it's a great opportunity

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to review the rules and.

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Rule 15.

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For me as the clerk and our

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staff upstairs we take, uh, um.

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Great time upstairs to review

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rule 15.

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Items when we get them.

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So.

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>> uh, the process can be.

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Difficult and, uh, time

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consuming.

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But you know, we do get things

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done and, uh, determined what

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that.

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Choice will be and contact the

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council as affected and, uh, I

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look forward to the

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conversation.

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Thank you, mr clerk.

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We've been joined by

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councilor durkan and

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councilor weber.

401
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Um, I followed my colleagues

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two minutes of opening

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comments.

404
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Would you, councilor durkan,

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would you?

406
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Thank you so much,

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council PRESIDENT.

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Um, I think it's always

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important to review the rules.

410
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They're incredibly important.

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It's you know, and I also

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believe in, um, supporting the

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clerk, um, when he makes

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certain determinations.

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Um, there was.

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>> an instance with rule 15

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where.

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I think I had.

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Three, uh, hearing orders on

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speed humps at one time in my

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committee.

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So I think this role has been

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incredibly important to me.

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Um, I you know, back to the

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women's history month filing.

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I did think it was duplicative

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and I did cite rule 15.

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Um, upon further review I do

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think rule 15 and um is really

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intended to be used by the

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clerk and not by city

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councilors.

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But um with that being said, I

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believe that city councilors

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have um you know, carte blanche

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to not pass something on the

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first day that it's introduced

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if it is at all controversial

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um and or if it at all needs

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more time.

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Um, so I definitely stand

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behind my um, initial uh I did

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think it was pretty similar.

444
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Um, and um but I I don't want

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to be considered someone who

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just, you know, doing things on

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the basis of um, personalities

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or anything.

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So I appreciate, um, this

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hearing and I appreciate, um,

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the chance to talk about it.

452
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Um, and I'll just say that, um

453
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,I think that when we get a

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call from the clerk saying that

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our filing is too similar.

456
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Um, there have been times where

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I've just withdrawn my filing

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and said, okay, great.

459
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I'll support.

460
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>> the work of my colleague

461
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that's doing that work.

462
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Um, and I you know, I think we

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actually have to talk to each

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other to have those

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conversations and I think as a

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body uh, we need to have more

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communication and more

468
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collegiality and, um and we do

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need to work together more.

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And so, um, I think in the case

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where someone has filed

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something super similar to you,

473
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it might behoove us to pick up

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the phone and see if you can be

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a second or a third rather than

476
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filing something very similar.

477
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Thank you.

478
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Thank you.

479
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>> councilor durkan.

480
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Um, chair recognizes councilor.

481
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Uh, whether.

482
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>> you just got two minutes.

483
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Uh, thank you very much.

484
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And I think, uh, if you.

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>> look at.

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Like the.

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>> history of the language

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of rule 15 and why it's there

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there's.

490
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>> good.

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Policy reasons why.

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You would have something like

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that to prevent duplicative

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filings and to be able to keep

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the body, uh, moving forward

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and efficient, uh, and to

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prevent debate over the same

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thing over and over again.

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Uh, and I also appreciate that

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we have, uh, you know, sort

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of a nonpartisan clerk who's an

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umpire calling and strikes and

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so rule 15 or something I know

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in our office we talk about a

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lot.

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It's one of you know, we're

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talking about an idea about

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whether to file something if it

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would be a rule 15 to we don't

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file it.

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Um, and uh, look forward to the

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conversation to figure out if

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there's any ways we can improve

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the function of the rule or how

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to work with the clerk or how

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to better work with each other

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as a body.

518
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Uh, I'm all for it.

519
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Thank you.

520
00:23:03,468 --> 00:23:05,468
Thank you.

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Um.

522
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So we'll move on to.

523
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Uh, questions.

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Um.

525
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Councilor murphy, would you

526
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like to start and give you and

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we'll give you seven minutes

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for.

529
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Uh, give our.

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Colleague seven.

531
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>> minutes to see if I can set

532
00:23:22,687 --> 00:23:23,488
up the thank you, MADAM Chair.

533
00:23:23,488 --> 00:23:24,880
Oh.

534
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,560
>> good morning.

535
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,910
I beg your pardon?

536
00:23:26,910 --> 00:23:27,726
Culpeper.

537
00:23:27,726 --> 00:23:27,959
I'd like to recognize the

538
00:23:27,959 --> 00:23:28,893
council.

539
00:23:28,893 --> 00:23:30,929
Culpeper has joined us.

540
00:23:30,929 --> 00:23:31,796
Would you like to take a two

541
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minute, uh, opening statement

542
00:23:32,163 --> 00:23:33,698
if you'd.

543
00:23:33,698 --> 00:23:34,399
Like to use the time.

544
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Thank you.

545
00:23:35,233 --> 00:23:37,233
>> thank you.

546
00:23:37,969 --> 00:23:38,636
Thank you.

547
00:23:38,636 --> 00:23:40,171
>> chair I.

548
00:23:40,171 --> 00:23:43,171
>> think rule 15 makes sense in

549
00:23:43,474 --> 00:23:44,642
principle and, uh, I don't

550
00:23:44,642 --> 00:23:46,311
think we need to keep fouling

551
00:23:46,311 --> 00:23:47,178
debating the exact same thing

552
00:23:47,178 --> 00:23:49,415
over and over again.

553
00:23:49,415 --> 00:23:51,282
But in practice I think there

554
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were some times when the rule

555
00:23:53,384 --> 00:23:55,784
can be confusing, particularly

556
00:23:56,688 --> 00:23:58,356
when dealing with issues uh are

557
00:23:58,356 --> 00:24:00,240
changing and things have

558
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,461
changed outside in real time.

559
00:24:02,461 --> 00:24:05,330
I think something and so

560
00:24:05,330 --> 00:24:05,997
there's one issue we saw that

561
00:24:05,997 --> 00:24:07,997
with that uh.

562
00:24:11,102 --> 00:24:13,502
So the issue that.

563
00:24:15,173 --> 00:24:16,641
Was voted down by the

564
00:24:16,641 --> 00:24:19,143
council but when things changed

565
00:24:19,143 --> 00:24:22,447
with the homicide we brought it

566
00:24:22,447 --> 00:24:23,514
back and it was approved and so

567
00:24:23,514 --> 00:24:25,783
I don't think we should

568
00:24:25,783 --> 00:24:27,251
automatically treat a new

569
00:24:27,251 --> 00:24:28,853
conversation as the same

570
00:24:28,853 --> 00:24:30,321
conversation because it falls

571
00:24:30,321 --> 00:24:30,555
on in the same general subject

572
00:24:30,555 --> 00:24:32,555
.

573
00:24:34,425 --> 00:24:36,294
But I do think we can discuss

574
00:24:36,294 --> 00:24:38,596
it and and here's what's really

575
00:24:38,596 --> 00:24:40,899
been good for me and exciting

576
00:24:40,899 --> 00:24:44,803
for me is the way it's been

577
00:24:44,803 --> 00:24:47,105
handled, uh, without any real

578
00:24:47,105 --> 00:24:49,505
regimented protocol for how

579
00:24:49,574 --> 00:24:52,243
it's been handled in writing.

580
00:24:52,243 --> 00:24:53,711
I think the clerk or his office

581
00:24:53,711 --> 00:24:54,512
has come to us.

582
00:24:54,512 --> 00:24:56,512
We've discussed it.

583
00:24:57,782 --> 00:25:01,382
For me it was good discussion

584
00:25:01,686 --> 00:25:02,754
but I think in other times it

585
00:25:02,754 --> 00:25:04,989
can get out of hand.

586
00:25:04,989 --> 00:25:06,291
So I just think we need to talk

587
00:25:06,291 --> 00:25:06,524
through this see what makes

588
00:25:06,524 --> 00:25:08,524
sense.

589
00:25:10,795 --> 00:25:13,298
Um, but I do think there's some

590
00:25:13,298 --> 00:25:15,566
things we can clarify uh, maybe

591
00:25:15,566 --> 00:25:17,635
even be more flexible making

592
00:25:17,635 --> 00:25:18,703
sure rule 15 prevents

593
00:25:18,703 --> 00:25:20,703
duplication without preventing

594
00:25:21,405 --> 00:25:23,708
this body from responding when

595
00:25:23,708 --> 00:25:25,743
an issue is really changing.

596
00:25:25,743 --> 00:25:26,211
So yeah, I think the clerk's

597
00:25:26,211 --> 00:25:28,211
office has.

598
00:25:29,848 --> 00:25:30,181
For me we've got a great

599
00:25:30,181 --> 00:25:31,516
relationship.

600
00:25:31,516 --> 00:25:33,384
i love when they come to

601
00:25:33,384 --> 00:25:34,652
me with something and ask give

602
00:25:34,652 --> 00:25:35,921
me their opinion because you

603
00:25:35,921 --> 00:25:37,880
know I'm gonna have my opinion

604
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:38,523
and my interpretation.

605
00:25:38,523 --> 00:25:40,358
So it's been it's been good.

606
00:25:40,358 --> 00:25:43,227
I just think we need to nail

607
00:25:43,227 --> 00:25:45,960
down some protocol on how we

608
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,164
anticipate the discussion is

609
00:25:46,164 --> 00:25:48,564
going to take place.

610
00:25:49,133 --> 00:25:49,367
Otherwise I hope it was good to

611
00:25:49,367 --> 00:25:51,367
go.

612
00:25:51,736 --> 00:25:54,136
Thank you, councilor culpeper.

613
00:25:54,305 --> 00:25:55,573
Um, constable murphy, um.

614
00:25:55,573 --> 00:25:55,807
Let me see if I can send this

615
00:25:55,807 --> 00:25:57,807
to.

616
00:26:01,512 --> 00:26:01,746
That so I can start seven

617
00:26:01,746 --> 00:26:03,581
minutes.

618
00:26:03,581 --> 00:26:04,215
Seven minutes.

619
00:26:04,215 --> 00:26:06,215
>> thank you.

620
00:26:08,386 --> 00:26:10,688
>> um, and for me, like I said

621
00:26:10,688 --> 00:26:11,956
in my opening statement, the

622
00:26:11,956 --> 00:26:14,580
filing when I looked back to

623
00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:15,727
the timing was I forget it now

624
00:26:15,727 --> 00:26:18,629
I've moved on but it was based

625
00:26:18,629 --> 00:26:19,697
to that particular filing but

626
00:26:19,697 --> 00:26:22,333
has been an ongoing issue.

627
00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:24,635
I know we've shall we have many

628
00:26:24,635 --> 00:26:26,337
conversations alex I go up to

629
00:26:26,337 --> 00:26:28,500
the sixth floor often and thank

630
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:28,640
you to both of you for.

631
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,640
You know.

632
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:34,178
,talking through and you know,

633
00:26:34,178 --> 00:26:35,847
trying to come to some

634
00:26:35,847 --> 00:26:37,114
understanding on issues related

635
00:26:37,114 --> 00:26:38,549
to the rules.

636
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:39,584
And it is.

637
00:26:39,584 --> 00:26:40,918
True when you read the.

638
00:26:40,918 --> 00:26:42,754
Rule there is a lot of.

639
00:26:42,754 --> 00:26:45,754
Words in there that sometimes

640
00:26:45,857 --> 00:26:47,125
MAY get lost on the floor when

641
00:26:47,125 --> 00:26:48,893
it's like you know, when it's

642
00:26:48,893 --> 00:26:49,961
the council meeting and

643
00:26:49,961 --> 00:26:50,228
something's blocked on the

644
00:26:50,228 --> 00:26:51,830
floor.

645
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:52,931
It's not the same as a

646
00:26:52,931 --> 00:26:54,931
conversation beforehand.

647
00:26:57,201 --> 00:26:59,671
But in this case I had talked

648
00:26:59,671 --> 00:27:03,808
to the clerk's office and I had

649
00:27:03,808 --> 00:27:06,208
made substantial changes and

650
00:27:07,780 --> 00:27:09,381
when it was blocked on the

651
00:27:09,381 --> 00:27:11,282
floor it was after because it

652
00:27:11,282 --> 00:27:13,751
even says right in the rule

653
00:27:13,751 --> 00:27:15,853
topics for which context has a

654
00:27:15,853 --> 00:27:18,322
content has evolved since the

655
00:27:18,322 --> 00:27:19,391
previous filing or things have

656
00:27:19,391 --> 00:27:21,580
changed or the wording has

657
00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:23,294
changed to make it clearer.

658
00:27:23,294 --> 00:27:24,762
And in that particular case I

659
00:27:24,762 --> 00:27:26,263
already felt as though the

660
00:27:26,263 --> 00:27:27,732
intent and my conversation with

661
00:27:27,732 --> 00:27:29,400
you we both agreed that the

662
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,268
outcome of those two filings

663
00:27:30,268 --> 00:27:30,768
were very different.

664
00:27:30,768 --> 00:27:31,402
One was.

665
00:27:31,402 --> 00:27:33,400
Focusing on.

666
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,839
Federal state.

667
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:36,107
Overall rights for women, which

668
00:27:36,107 --> 00:27:37,575
is an important hearing.

669
00:27:37,575 --> 00:27:38,609
I think we could have voted and

670
00:27:38,609 --> 00:27:40,609
supported both easily.

671
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:42,747
Mine was more based on you know

672
00:27:42,747 --> 00:27:44,215
as the chair a strong women

673
00:27:44,215 --> 00:27:45,883
families and communities

674
00:27:45,883 --> 00:27:47,752
supporting and highlighting the

675
00:27:47,752 --> 00:27:49,654
work of women here in the city

676
00:27:49,654 --> 00:27:51,723
to different outcomes also and

677
00:27:51,723 --> 00:27:53,424
tying it to a celebration that

678
00:27:53,424 --> 00:27:55,293
most of our colleagues joined

679
00:27:55,293 --> 00:27:56,961
in and uplifting women across

680
00:27:56,961 --> 00:27:58,129
the city and thanking them for

681
00:27:58,129 --> 00:28:00,129
their contributions.

682
00:28:00,798 --> 00:28:02,660
But I guess a procedural

683
00:28:02,660 --> 00:28:03,935
question would be and I'll tie

684
00:28:03,935 --> 00:28:07,405
it to that day at that hearing.

685
00:28:07,405 --> 00:28:09,730
If I've already spoken to the

686
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:10,575
clerk's office and changes have

687
00:28:10,575 --> 00:28:12,975
been made and then.

688
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:14,879
A block which everyone has the

689
00:28:14,879 --> 00:28:16,747
right to do and then when what

690
00:28:16,747 --> 00:28:18,216
is the correct procedure

691
00:28:18,216 --> 00:28:20,118
because it's been said a couple

692
00:28:20,118 --> 00:28:21,585
of times you know you are kind

693
00:28:21,585 --> 00:28:22,653
of like the umpire the final

694
00:28:22,653 --> 00:28:23,654
say is on.

695
00:28:23,654 --> 00:28:25,654
The clerk.

696
00:28:25,690 --> 00:28:27,992
But when the chair decides to

697
00:28:27,992 --> 00:28:29,260
block it after conversations

698
00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:31,129
and I came into a meeting

699
00:28:31,129 --> 00:28:32,597
feeling as though the clerk's

700
00:28:32,597 --> 00:28:34,699
office agreed it shouldn't be

701
00:28:34,699 --> 00:28:36,934
blocked, what procedures is it?

702
00:28:36,934 --> 00:28:37,201
Call a recess to make sure that

703
00:28:37,201 --> 00:28:37,635
.

704
00:28:37,635 --> 00:28:39,270
>> you.

705
00:28:39,270 --> 00:28:40,538
Know it gets communicated.

706
00:28:40,538 --> 00:28:40,705
>> do you just let it go and

707
00:28:40,705 --> 00:28:41,472
try.

708
00:28:41,472 --> 00:28:42,306
>> to file again?

709
00:28:42,306 --> 00:28:43,741
>> is that what seems.

710
00:28:43,741 --> 00:28:46,110
To happen when you're in.

711
00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:47,879
The midst of like the meeting

712
00:28:47,879 --> 00:28:49,347
and the two minute clerk is

713
00:28:49,347 --> 00:28:50,615
going people want to get to the

714
00:28:50,615 --> 00:28:51,282
next agenda item, but you're

715
00:28:51,282 --> 00:28:53,282
feeling as though.

716
00:28:53,918 --> 00:28:54,785
Your filing is not getting the

717
00:28:54,785 --> 00:28:56,785
time it needs.

718
00:28:56,821 --> 00:28:57,889
But work had been done

719
00:28:57,889 --> 00:28:58,756
beforehand to make sure there

720
00:28:58,756 --> 00:29:00,756
shouldn't be any.

721
00:29:01,826 --> 00:29:03,394
Confusion and there MAY be a

722
00:29:03,394 --> 00:29:04,762
miscommunication between the

723
00:29:04,762 --> 00:29:05,229
council PRESIDENT And the clerk

724
00:29:05,229 --> 00:29:07,229
or your.

725
00:29:07,465 --> 00:29:07,732
Communications with your

726
00:29:07,732 --> 00:29:09,567
office.

727
00:29:09,567 --> 00:29:10,434
So how can you speak to that to

728
00:29:10,434 --> 00:29:12,834
make sure going forward?

729
00:29:12,871 --> 00:29:14,538
Anyone who feels like at the

730
00:29:14,538 --> 00:29:16,207
moment at the hearing, how do

731
00:29:16,207 --> 00:29:18,420
you advocate for yourself and.

732
00:29:18,420 --> 00:29:18,275
Push to make sure that it's not

733
00:29:18,275 --> 00:29:19,911
.

734
00:29:19,911 --> 00:29:20,178
Taken off the agenda or

735
00:29:20,178 --> 00:29:22,178
blocked?

736
00:29:22,614 --> 00:29:23,781
Yeah, I.

737
00:29:23,781 --> 00:29:26,160
>> mean I think just um.

738
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,485
So that's a really good example

739
00:29:27,485 --> 00:29:28,753
of kind of like the interplay

740
00:29:28,753 --> 00:29:31,753
of a couple different rules.

741
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:33,891
Um, and for me I don't remember

742
00:29:33,891 --> 00:29:36,194
every detail from the from the

743
00:29:36,194 --> 00:29:38,296
situation but um, you know,

744
00:29:38,296 --> 00:29:40,765
rule 15 is something that takes

745
00:29:40,765 --> 00:29:42,633
place before the agenda ever um

746
00:29:42,633 --> 00:29:44,633
is published.

747
00:29:44,869 --> 00:29:46,571
So rule 15 is really something

748
00:29:46,571 --> 00:29:48,439
that lays with the clerk um,

749
00:29:48,439 --> 00:29:50,341
and the clerk's office in terms

750
00:29:50,341 --> 00:29:53,211
of what makes it onto the

751
00:29:53,211 --> 00:29:53,811
agenda um, under those kind of.

752
00:29:53,811 --> 00:29:54,645
You know.

753
00:29:54,645 --> 00:29:56,645
Um.

754
00:29:57,181 --> 00:29:58,449
>> considerations to try to

755
00:29:58,449 --> 00:29:59,160
make things not duplicative and

756
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,160
things like that.

757
00:30:01,886 --> 00:30:03,955
Um, once something is on the

758
00:30:03,955 --> 00:30:06,457
agenda and comes before the

759
00:30:06,457 --> 00:30:08,526
body um, there's kind of a

760
00:30:08,526 --> 00:30:10,194
second catchall for duplicative

761
00:30:10,194 --> 00:30:10,628
matters which would be under

762
00:30:10,628 --> 00:30:12,630
rule five.

763
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:13,531
So that would be something

764
00:30:13,531 --> 00:30:14,498
where then the

765
00:30:14,498 --> 00:30:15,366
council PRESIDENT Has the

766
00:30:15,366 --> 00:30:17,766
discretion to rule something

767
00:30:18,669 --> 00:30:19,937
out of order due to it being

768
00:30:19,937 --> 00:30:21,606
substantially similar,

769
00:30:21,606 --> 00:30:23,307
duplicative or already taken up

770
00:30:23,307 --> 00:30:26,307
in a given municipal year.

771
00:30:27,178 --> 00:30:29,213
Um, that is a separate um.

772
00:30:29,213 --> 00:30:29,781
Inquiry just from an objection

773
00:30:29,781 --> 00:30:30,481
to taking.

774
00:30:30,481 --> 00:30:32,481
>> a vote.

775
00:30:32,751 --> 00:30:33,818
So um, you know, I think

776
00:30:33,818 --> 00:30:34,685
there's a distinct you know,

777
00:30:34,685 --> 00:30:36,354
there are different distinguish

778
00:30:36,354 --> 00:30:38,220
distinguish between like

779
00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:39,491
something being on the agenda

780
00:30:39,491 --> 00:30:39,957
coming to the floor and then

781
00:30:39,957 --> 00:30:41,159
passing.

782
00:30:41,159 --> 00:30:43,159
Before the body.

783
00:30:43,828 --> 00:30:45,396
Um, so when something is

784
00:30:45,396 --> 00:30:48,990
objected to for a vote on the

785
00:30:48,990 --> 00:30:49,467
day it's introduced, um, it

786
00:30:49,467 --> 00:30:50,101
doesn't have to be because of.

787
00:30:50,101 --> 00:30:51,535
>> a rule.

788
00:30:51,535 --> 00:30:52,603
It would just be like the

789
00:30:52,603 --> 00:30:52,871
objection is just the

790
00:30:52,871 --> 00:30:53,871
objection.

791
00:30:53,871 --> 00:30:55,871
Um.

792
00:30:55,907 --> 00:30:58,307
>> rule five would be.

793
00:30:58,542 --> 00:30:59,844
To rule something out of order

794
00:30:59,844 --> 00:31:00,511
because it's duplicative on the

795
00:31:00,511 --> 00:31:02,546
day of a meeting.

796
00:31:02,546 --> 00:31:03,781
And rule 15 would be.

797
00:31:03,781 --> 00:31:04,782
To exactly.

798
00:31:04,782 --> 00:31:06,782
Yeah.

799
00:31:06,851 --> 00:31:07,485
>> so is there conversation at

800
00:31:07,485 --> 00:31:09,485
the pre meeting.

801
00:31:09,754 --> 00:31:11,622
So there is an understanding

802
00:31:11,622 --> 00:31:14,910
when there's a pre meeting on

803
00:31:14,910 --> 00:31:15,920
wednesday with the

804
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,161
council PRESIDENT And the

805
00:31:17,161 --> 00:31:18,629
clerk's office that everything

806
00:31:18,629 --> 00:31:19,897
that has made it through has

807
00:31:19,897 --> 00:31:20,298
already been checked.

808
00:31:20,298 --> 00:31:22,298
Yes.

809
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:27,710
>> and if the PRESIDENT Has no

810
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:28,539
personal questions and feels as

811
00:31:28,539 --> 00:31:30,241
though that's right of course

812
00:31:30,241 --> 00:31:30,875
they have an opinion maybe it

813
00:31:30,875 --> 00:31:31,742
would come.

814
00:31:31,742 --> 00:31:32,810
>> up would it come up.

815
00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:35,145
>> on wednesday before the.

816
00:31:35,145 --> 00:31:37,448
Council meeting start if they

817
00:31:37,448 --> 00:31:38,490
had any questions could it.

818
00:31:38,490 --> 00:31:40,490
I guess.

819
00:31:40,284 --> 00:31:41,753
>> well you know most of the

820
00:31:41,753 --> 00:31:43,221
dockets of course they get

821
00:31:43,221 --> 00:31:45,723
filed up in the office before

822
00:31:45,723 --> 00:31:47,358
ten uh so we have to review

823
00:31:47,358 --> 00:31:49,260
each docket and of course if I

824
00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:51,329
find a duplicate of docket all

825
00:31:51,329 --> 00:31:51,996
the my staff does then we have

826
00:31:51,996 --> 00:31:52,997
to review it.

827
00:31:52,997 --> 00:31:54,432
Uh.

828
00:31:54,432 --> 00:31:56,432
See.

829
00:31:56,667 --> 00:31:57,536
>> we have the 10:00 deadline

830
00:31:57,536 --> 00:31:58,870
and so.

831
00:31:58,870 --> 00:32:00,571
>> I mean the wednesday meeting

832
00:32:00,571 --> 00:32:01,605
that happens kind of to check

833
00:32:01,605 --> 00:32:03,241
in before the.

834
00:32:03,241 --> 00:32:05,241
Council starts like.

835
00:32:05,376 --> 00:32:06,544
So all the dockets have been

836
00:32:06,544 --> 00:32:06,777
arranged and you know, on the

837
00:32:06,777 --> 00:32:07,211
agenda.

838
00:32:07,211 --> 00:32:09,211
So we're.

839
00:32:09,481 --> 00:32:11,749
Evergreen review all the items

840
00:32:11,749 --> 00:32:12,817
that the pre meeting and we go

841
00:32:12,817 --> 00:32:14,485
over what committee they should

842
00:32:14,485 --> 00:32:17,355
be assigned to and review them.

843
00:32:17,355 --> 00:32:18,823
Uh if there was a rule 15 on a

844
00:32:18,823 --> 00:32:20,491
particular docket of course

845
00:32:20,491 --> 00:32:22,593
that would all been made out

846
00:32:22,593 --> 00:32:24,280
and decided before they even

847
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,628
got in on onto the agenda.

848
00:32:28,132 --> 00:32:29,801
So to me if we uh solve the

849
00:32:29,801 --> 00:32:31,268
issue then it's a regular

850
00:32:31,268 --> 00:32:32,604
docket that's on the agenda.

851
00:32:32,604 --> 00:32:33,537
That any council colleague.

852
00:32:33,537 --> 00:32:34,205
Could lock in to.

853
00:32:34,205 --> 00:32:35,807
>> be right.

854
00:32:35,807 --> 00:32:37,274
So what is the correct

855
00:32:37,274 --> 00:32:39,674
procedure especially if after

856
00:32:39,977 --> 00:32:41,245
the fact the chair agreed that

857
00:32:41,245 --> 00:32:41,879
it probably shouldn't have been

858
00:32:41,879 --> 00:32:43,547
blocked but it.

859
00:32:43,547 --> 00:32:46,217
Was and I get that when things

860
00:32:46,217 --> 00:32:47,685
are happening in real time

861
00:32:47,685 --> 00:32:49,521
things don't always.

862
00:32:49,521 --> 00:32:53,230
Go the way maybe be wanted but

863
00:32:53,230 --> 00:32:55,159
how do you then fix that right?

864
00:32:55,159 --> 00:32:56,694
How do you come back properly?

865
00:32:56,694 --> 00:32:57,528
I know I know the rules and.

866
00:32:57,528 --> 00:32:59,528
Robert's order but.

867
00:33:00,798 --> 00:33:01,232
Especially when it's a timely

868
00:33:01,232 --> 00:33:03,680
resolution.

869
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,101
I that you wanted to.

870
00:33:04,101 --> 00:33:05,836
Have a vote on.

871
00:33:05,836 --> 00:33:06,337
You don't want a hearing you

872
00:33:06,337 --> 00:33:07,539
don't want to block.

873
00:33:07,539 --> 00:33:09,273
There's nothing to talk about.

874
00:33:09,273 --> 00:33:10,775
>> it's tied to a celebration

875
00:33:10,775 --> 00:33:11,575
like a flag raising.

876
00:33:11,575 --> 00:33:12,309
Yeah.

877
00:33:12,309 --> 00:33:13,744
>> so I.

878
00:33:13,744 --> 00:33:15,120
Think the two mechanisms would

879
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,381
be if it's during the same

880
00:33:16,381 --> 00:33:16,747
meeting it could be a

881
00:33:16,747 --> 00:33:18,747
reconsideration.

882
00:33:21,652 --> 00:33:23,921
Um if it's stirring um if it's

883
00:33:23,921 --> 00:33:25,890
after a meeting um it would be

884
00:33:25,890 --> 00:33:26,157
by pulling it from the green

885
00:33:26,157 --> 00:33:27,992
sheets at the next meeting.

886
00:33:27,992 --> 00:33:30,392
Um, for that vote.

887
00:33:34,665 --> 00:33:35,933
Sometimes we do you know, on

888
00:33:35,933 --> 00:33:37,434
many occasions we've taken a

889
00:33:37,434 --> 00:33:38,690
recess as well to discuss

890
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:38,669
certain things.

891
00:33:38,669 --> 00:33:40,669
Yeah.

892
00:33:41,338 --> 00:33:43,700
And if there's an issue or

893
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:44,909
there's, uh, some ambiguity on

894
00:33:44,909 --> 00:33:46,811
a on a particular docket,

895
00:33:46,811 --> 00:33:48,879
of course we would take a a

896
00:33:48,879 --> 00:33:49,146
short recess to discuss it as

897
00:33:49,146 --> 00:33:50,148
well.

898
00:33:50,148 --> 00:33:52,148
And do you.

899
00:33:52,984 --> 00:33:54,251
Both feel as though that's

900
00:33:54,251 --> 00:33:54,685
reasonable if one of.

901
00:33:54,685 --> 00:33:56,321
>> the.

902
00:33:56,321 --> 00:33:58,721
Councilors feels as though

903
00:33:59,323 --> 00:33:59,991
there isn't enough time, you

904
00:33:59,991 --> 00:34:00,458
know, because it's quick, it's.

905
00:34:00,458 --> 00:34:02,458
Moving fast and.

906
00:34:04,128 --> 00:34:05,596
Procedures are being trumped

907
00:34:05,596 --> 00:34:06,997
with another one.

908
00:34:06,997 --> 00:34:10,301
And do you feel it's reasonable

909
00:34:10,301 --> 00:34:10,868
to call a recess to get

910
00:34:10,868 --> 00:34:11,335
flaherty, to.

911
00:34:11,335 --> 00:34:12,937
Feel as though.

912
00:34:12,937 --> 00:34:13,804
>> it's not being moved on and

913
00:34:13,804 --> 00:34:15,804
then pushed aside?

914
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,841
Yeah, well if a

915
00:34:16,841 --> 00:34:18,509
council believes that you know

916
00:34:18,509 --> 00:34:19,711
they need to have.

917
00:34:19,711 --> 00:34:21,711
A further explanation.

918
00:34:22,981 --> 00:34:24,249
Like to me by for my opinion

919
00:34:24,249 --> 00:34:26,350
would be take a short recess

920
00:34:26,350 --> 00:34:27,818
and discuss that a little bit

921
00:34:27,818 --> 00:34:29,286
more and of course like

922
00:34:29,286 --> 00:34:30,989
michelle said you know

923
00:34:30,989 --> 00:34:32,356
council can move for

924
00:34:32,356 --> 00:34:32,823
reconsideration in the same

925
00:34:32,823 --> 00:34:34,458
meeting.

926
00:34:34,458 --> 00:34:36,327
Of course once the meeting ends

927
00:34:36,327 --> 00:34:38,395
then the next meeting you can

928
00:34:38,395 --> 00:34:38,863
have the option of pulling it

929
00:34:38,863 --> 00:34:40,465
from committee.

930
00:34:40,465 --> 00:34:42,299
All right thank you thank.

931
00:34:42,299 --> 00:34:44,101
You chair recognizes

932
00:34:44,101 --> 00:34:46,501
councilor flynn construed um.

933
00:34:46,771 --> 00:34:48,739
I'll have to reset.

934
00:34:48,739 --> 00:34:50,739
Seven minutes.

935
00:34:51,141 --> 00:34:53,377
>> well thank you, MADAM Chair.

936
00:34:53,377 --> 00:34:55,446
And thank you again to the city

937
00:34:55,446 --> 00:34:56,513
clerk and to the city

938
00:34:56,513 --> 00:34:59,513
council staff director for the

939
00:35:00,651 --> 00:35:02,920
important work you do every day

940
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,388
on behalf of the city

941
00:35:04,388 --> 00:35:04,855
council and the residents

942
00:35:04,855 --> 00:35:06,855
of boston.

943
00:35:09,727 --> 00:35:12,127
I believe we have.

944
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:18,736
Rules in place to ensure that

945
00:35:18,736 --> 00:35:20,370
the meetings go smoothly.

946
00:35:20,370 --> 00:35:22,370
They go effectively,

947
00:35:22,473 --> 00:35:25,473
efficiently and so that the

948
00:35:27,378 --> 00:35:29,881
public has a sense that this

949
00:35:29,881 --> 00:35:31,548
body is a serious body,

950
00:35:31,548 --> 00:35:34,218
understands the rules and is

951
00:35:34,218 --> 00:35:36,520
doing the people's work, the

952
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,988
critical work of the residents

953
00:35:37,988 --> 00:35:39,560
of boston whether it's on

954
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,325
public safety, whether it's on

955
00:35:41,325 --> 00:35:43,725
public education, public health

956
00:35:46,463 --> 00:35:50,567
or whatever it is my my main

957
00:35:50,567 --> 00:35:51,969
point is as the former city

958
00:35:51,969 --> 00:35:53,969
council PRESIDENT Just

959
00:35:55,272 --> 00:35:57,272
providing positive leadership

960
00:35:57,975 --> 00:35:59,443
to all city councilors

961
00:35:59,443 --> 00:36:01,712
regardless if you politically

962
00:36:01,712 --> 00:36:04,150
agree with them or politically

963
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:07,150
disagree with them, that should

964
00:36:07,518 --> 00:36:11,210
be relevant to the case in

965
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:14,210
deciding how you're going to

966
00:36:14,525 --> 00:36:15,993
for several I think as as a

967
00:36:15,993 --> 00:36:16,193
body we have to listen to each

968
00:36:16,193 --> 00:36:18,193
other.

969
00:36:18,195 --> 00:36:21,795
We have to respect each other,

970
00:36:21,899 --> 00:36:23,968
put personalities aside, um,

971
00:36:23,968 --> 00:36:25,680
put politics aside and do

972
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,571
what's best for the residents

973
00:36:27,571 --> 00:36:31,171
of boston and that is coming

974
00:36:32,476 --> 00:36:33,944
together to solve problems and

975
00:36:33,944 --> 00:36:35,212
work with our colleagues,

976
00:36:35,212 --> 00:36:35,879
especially when we don't agree

977
00:36:35,879 --> 00:36:37,879
with each other.

978
00:36:40,551 --> 00:36:41,118
We can be we can we can still

979
00:36:41,118 --> 00:36:42,419
support each other.

980
00:36:42,419 --> 00:36:44,121
We can still work with each

981
00:36:44,121 --> 00:36:45,356
other even if we don't

982
00:36:45,356 --> 00:36:45,622
necessarily agree with each

983
00:36:45,622 --> 00:36:46,691
other.

984
00:36:46,691 --> 00:36:49,159
And that's what I've tried to

985
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:50,761
do as the as the as the city

986
00:36:50,761 --> 00:36:51,950
council PRESIDENT And the city

987
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:53,950
council here.

988
00:36:53,864 --> 00:36:56,567
I just want us to continue to

989
00:36:56,567 --> 00:36:58,350
move forward where as a body we

990
00:36:58,350 --> 00:37:00,138
respect each other and the

991
00:37:00,138 --> 00:37:02,206
public knows that we come to

992
00:37:02,206 --> 00:37:03,730
work every day to do the

993
00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:05,730
people's business.

994
00:37:05,709 --> 00:37:07,578
The public needs to be

995
00:37:07,578 --> 00:37:09,978
comfortable knowing that we

996
00:37:10,810 --> 00:37:11,381
show up every single day and on

997
00:37:11,381 --> 00:37:14,510
wednesday we know exactly what

998
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:16,553
we're doing and doing our due

999
00:37:16,553 --> 00:37:18,222
diligence and providing the

1000
00:37:18,222 --> 00:37:19,490
critical leadership for the

1001
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:20,891
residents of boston.

1002
00:37:20,891 --> 00:37:22,426
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

1003
00:37:22,426 --> 00:37:23,861
Thank you, councilor flynn.

1004
00:37:23,861 --> 00:37:25,429
Um.

1005
00:37:25,429 --> 00:37:27,429
Councilor fitzgerald.

1006
00:37:28,432 --> 00:37:30,832
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

1007
00:37:31,201 --> 00:37:31,536
Um, let's start with some

1008
00:37:31,536 --> 00:37:32,703
of the basics.

1009
00:37:32,703 --> 00:37:35,939
What is the process right now?

1010
00:37:35,939 --> 00:37:37,939
Oh, okay.

1011
00:37:38,175 --> 00:37:39,420
The process for the, uh, went

1012
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:40,711
for the agenda.

1013
00:37:40,711 --> 00:37:41,945
All the dockets are due by

1014
00:37:41,945 --> 00:37:43,945
10:00 on monday.

1015
00:37:44,615 --> 00:37:46,830
Um, although council was have

1016
00:37:46,830 --> 00:37:47,551
the opportunity to file things

1017
00:37:47,551 --> 00:37:48,652
from the day after the

1018
00:37:48,652 --> 00:37:50,870
wednesday meaning till that

1019
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:52,323
month the next monday.

1020
00:37:52,323 --> 00:37:53,591
Uh, unfortunately a lot

1021
00:37:53,591 --> 00:37:56,493
of councils don't file their

1022
00:37:56,493 --> 00:37:57,361
dockets until 10 minutes or 15

1023
00:37:57,361 --> 00:37:58,996
minutes before the deadline.

1024
00:37:58,996 --> 00:38:00,831
So if you can.

1025
00:38:00,831 --> 00:38:02,299
Imagine like the last meeting

1026
00:38:02,299 --> 00:38:03,767
we had like I don't know 50

1027
00:38:03,767 --> 00:38:06,671
dockets on the agenda so that's

1028
00:38:06,671 --> 00:38:08,138
very time consuming to process

1029
00:38:08,138 --> 00:38:11,241
each docket to make sure that

1030
00:38:11,241 --> 00:38:12,760
it's in proper form to get the

1031
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,760
agenda created.

1032
00:38:14,711 --> 00:38:17,414
And then when we do get the

1033
00:38:17,414 --> 00:38:19,683
issues uh, rule 15 then I we

1034
00:38:19,683 --> 00:38:20,151
have to stop and review those

1035
00:38:20,151 --> 00:38:22,151
items.

1036
00:38:22,186 --> 00:38:24,254
So I have to read the uh the

1037
00:38:24,254 --> 00:38:24,721
order that is currently for the

1038
00:38:24,721 --> 00:38:26,156
agenda.

1039
00:38:26,156 --> 00:38:28,292
Then I have to compare.

1040
00:38:28,292 --> 00:38:29,593
It to the previous order file

1041
00:38:29,593 --> 00:38:31,228
like a few months before.

1042
00:38:31,228 --> 00:38:33,628
So that's time consuming.

1043
00:38:33,664 --> 00:38:34,498
And I also have to meet the

1044
00:38:34,498 --> 00:38:36,400
requirements of the open

1045
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,669
meeting law because the agenda

1046
00:38:38,669 --> 00:38:42,106
has to be posted at 12 noon.

1047
00:38:42,106 --> 00:38:44,808
So so we do our due diligence,

1048
00:38:44,808 --> 00:38:47,310
we create our uh the agenda and

1049
00:38:47,310 --> 00:38:49,981
I do contact the council uh,

1050
00:38:49,981 --> 00:38:52,981
personally uh regarding a rule

1051
00:38:53,830 --> 00:38:55,385
15 issue and either we speak on

1052
00:38:55,385 --> 00:38:57,254
the phone or I go to the office

1053
00:38:57,254 --> 00:38:59,556
and uh and that's happened with

1054
00:38:59,556 --> 00:39:01,625
uh most of the council was here

1055
00:39:01,625 --> 00:39:03,126
on the council now have gotten

1056
00:39:03,126 --> 00:39:05,796
phone calls for me regarding

1057
00:39:05,796 --> 00:39:08,796
rule 15 and a lot and 99%

1058
00:39:08,899 --> 00:39:09,166
of the time the council is very

1059
00:39:09,166 --> 00:39:11,166
agreeable.

1060
00:39:11,168 --> 00:39:12,436
We change a few words here and

1061
00:39:12,436 --> 00:39:14,104
there we change the title or

1062
00:39:14,104 --> 00:39:15,806
the it's better or it's pulled

1063
00:39:15,806 --> 00:39:16,440
and it's reworded and filed at

1064
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,440
the next meeting.

1065
00:39:19,276 --> 00:39:20,944
So from that perspective, um,

1066
00:39:20,944 --> 00:39:22,846
you know the back and forth

1067
00:39:22,846 --> 00:39:23,681
with the council is usually

1068
00:39:23,681 --> 00:39:25,215
pretty positive.

1069
00:39:25,215 --> 00:39:25,482
And at that point who would

1070
00:39:25,482 --> 00:39:25,916
win.

1071
00:39:25,916 --> 00:39:27,384
Out on a.

1072
00:39:27,384 --> 00:39:28,510
>> rule 15 is that the person

1073
00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:30,510
who files first?

1074
00:39:30,487 --> 00:39:32,356
Well when you file a document

1075
00:39:32,356 --> 00:39:32,623
in the granicus it gets time

1076
00:39:32,623 --> 00:39:34,623
stamped.

1077
00:39:35,259 --> 00:39:37,561
So whoever gets the timestamp

1078
00:39:37,561 --> 00:39:39,429
first then that is the doc that

1079
00:39:39,429 --> 00:39:39,696
will be placed on on the

1080
00:39:39,696 --> 00:39:41,331
agenda.

1081
00:39:41,331 --> 00:39:43,200
And I imagine what we look for

1082
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,468
when looking at rule 15 is that

1083
00:39:44,468 --> 00:39:46,971
you know, all of us councilors

1084
00:39:46,971 --> 00:39:50,274
work word things a certain way

1085
00:39:50,274 --> 00:39:51,942
to try and reflect a message or

1086
00:39:51,942 --> 00:39:52,209
something button and a certain

1087
00:39:52,209 --> 00:39:54,209
light.

1088
00:39:54,444 --> 00:39:55,712
But um I imagine that you look

1089
00:39:55,712 --> 00:39:57,712
for similar words.

1090
00:39:57,948 --> 00:39:59,617
Similar yeah very similar

1091
00:39:59,617 --> 00:40:01,485
message you know I mean that

1092
00:40:01,485 --> 00:40:02,853
and that's but ultimately the

1093
00:40:02,853 --> 00:40:03,860
final call is in your hands.

1094
00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:05,860
Yeah.

1095
00:40:05,122 --> 00:40:05,756
>> over the uh I would.

1096
00:40:05,756 --> 00:40:07,756
>> read both.

1097
00:40:08,392 --> 00:40:10,260
Dockets if they for me I picked

1098
00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:12,362
uh try to find similar words

1099
00:40:12,362 --> 00:40:14,431
and similar themes sometimes

1100
00:40:14,431 --> 00:40:14,898
the titles are exactly the same

1101
00:40:14,898 --> 00:40:16,898
as well.

1102
00:40:16,934 --> 00:40:18,402
Uh and then I make a

1103
00:40:18,402 --> 00:40:18,969
determination if it's a

1104
00:40:18,969 --> 00:40:20,969
duplicate or not.

1105
00:40:21,205 --> 00:40:24,805
But I also converse with the

1106
00:40:24,908 --> 00:40:26,376
essential staff and with uh

1107
00:40:26,376 --> 00:40:28,450
council uh attorney for the

1108
00:40:28,450 --> 00:40:31,548
council as well and we all come

1109
00:40:31,548 --> 00:40:33,500
to a determination sometimes

1110
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:34,918
it's easy to determine if it's

1111
00:40:34,918 --> 00:40:35,185
a real 15 but other times it

1112
00:40:35,185 --> 00:40:37,200
isn't.

1113
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,290
So you know I call the

1114
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:41,391
counselor and we talk about it

1115
00:40:41,391 --> 00:40:42,859
and we try to review things and

1116
00:40:42,859 --> 00:40:44,928
you know last year we had

1117
00:40:44,928 --> 00:40:47,310
several rule fifteens on white

1118
00:40:47,310 --> 00:40:48,899
stadium and that those were

1119
00:40:48,899 --> 00:40:50,968
difficult uh discussions to

1120
00:40:50,968 --> 00:40:53,471
have because some you know that

1121
00:40:53,471 --> 00:40:57,671
was a very hot issue and uh

1122
00:40:57,974 --> 00:40:59,643
back in 2025 so and most of the

1123
00:40:59,643 --> 00:41:01,511
times the council would have

1124
00:41:01,511 --> 00:41:02,813
pulled it back and reworded it

1125
00:41:02,813 --> 00:41:03,460
and filed it at the next

1126
00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:04,481
meeting.

1127
00:41:04,481 --> 00:41:06,550
I guess what's difficult to

1128
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:06,817
kind of separate too is in an

1129
00:41:06,817 --> 00:41:08,817
issue.

1130
00:41:09,453 --> 00:41:10,921
There can be many sub issues

1131
00:41:10,921 --> 00:41:11,788
and and you could file

1132
00:41:11,788 --> 00:41:13,223
something on that issue.

1133
00:41:13,223 --> 00:41:14,491
You could file something on the

1134
00:41:14,491 --> 00:41:16,159
subset of that issue and a

1135
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,662
subset of that subset issue and

1136
00:41:18,662 --> 00:41:20,331
is that in your eyes if you

1137
00:41:20,331 --> 00:41:21,832
look at subsets of issues does

1138
00:41:21,832 --> 00:41:23,501
that still ultimately rise

1139
00:41:23,501 --> 00:41:24,968
under the statewide stadium for

1140
00:41:24,968 --> 00:41:25,836
example does that all say well,

1141
00:41:25,836 --> 00:41:28,236
someone else already filed

1142
00:41:28,305 --> 00:41:28,772
something around a larger

1143
00:41:28,772 --> 00:41:29,573
purview.

1144
00:41:29,573 --> 00:41:30,641
Of you.

1145
00:41:30,641 --> 00:41:32,309
>> know, economic development

1146
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:34,378
in white stadium and so there's

1147
00:41:34,378 --> 00:41:35,879
no need for that specific

1148
00:41:35,879 --> 00:41:37,347
language of a separate one even

1149
00:41:37,347 --> 00:41:38,148
if it was time stamped prior.

1150
00:41:38,148 --> 00:41:39,583
right.

1151
00:41:39,583 --> 00:41:42,520
>> I don't you know, it.

1152
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,921
Depends on the uh the closing

1153
00:41:44,921 --> 00:41:47,191
paragraph for me is what I

1154
00:41:47,191 --> 00:41:49,493
usually focus on because you

1155
00:41:49,493 --> 00:41:50,561
know, they MAY be to look it up

1156
00:41:50,561 --> 00:41:52,290
words at the beginning of the

1157
00:41:52,290 --> 00:41:54,970
order but at the end the

1158
00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:57,100
summary tells me exactly what

1159
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,904
the council is intent is uh,

1160
00:41:59,904 --> 00:42:01,171
most of the time and uh and if

1161
00:42:01,171 --> 00:42:03,441
the intent is different than

1162
00:42:03,441 --> 00:42:04,708
what the original one is I give

1163
00:42:04,708 --> 00:42:05,976
them the benefit give the

1164
00:42:05,976 --> 00:42:06,410
council the benefit of the

1165
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:08,410
doubt.

1166
00:42:08,879 --> 00:42:10,747
But in other instances it's it

1167
00:42:10,747 --> 00:42:13,984
brings the same to me and I.

1168
00:42:13,984 --> 00:42:16,984
After conversing with uh, the

1169
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,555
central staff and and reviewing

1170
00:42:18,555 --> 00:42:19,423
it again and then we make a

1171
00:42:19,423 --> 00:42:21,258
determination from there.

1172
00:42:21,258 --> 00:42:23,727
And how long has this current

1173
00:42:23,727 --> 00:42:24,394
rule 15 been operating as it

1174
00:42:24,394 --> 00:42:26,394
currently does?

1175
00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:28,265
Uh, well.

1176
00:42:28,265 --> 00:42:29,900
In 2020 the 26.

1177
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:33,500
Rules it's just the clerk makes

1178
00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:35,439
the determination in 24 it was

1179
00:42:35,439 --> 00:42:37,839
the uh the PRESIDENT.

1180
00:42:38,108 --> 00:42:39,175
And the clerk and then in 22 it

1181
00:42:39,175 --> 00:42:40,377
was just the clerk.

1182
00:42:40,377 --> 00:42:42,450
Okay.

1183
00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:42,679
>> so it's gone back and it was

1184
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:44,114
now reverted back.

1185
00:42:44,114 --> 00:42:44,714
To the clerk.

1186
00:42:44,714 --> 00:42:46,349
Um.

1187
00:42:46,349 --> 00:42:48,349
,okay.

1188
00:42:48,985 --> 00:42:50,860
Um and in those in going back

1189
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:51,655
and forth and back and forth

1190
00:42:51,655 --> 00:42:53,757
which were I mean personally I

1191
00:42:53,757 --> 00:42:55,192
see the checks and balances

1192
00:42:55,192 --> 00:42:57,494
of you making being defined

1193
00:42:57,494 --> 00:42:59,290
elaborated on that I would.

1194
00:42:59,290 --> 00:42:59,663
Yeah well in I was with.

1195
00:42:59,663 --> 00:43:00,397
>> the.

1196
00:43:00,397 --> 00:43:01,965
Council PRESIDENT.

1197
00:43:01,965 --> 00:43:03,633
>> I would I would go down to

1198
00:43:03,633 --> 00:43:06,136
the office and discuss it with

1199
00:43:06,136 --> 00:43:08,205
her and and review the points

1200
00:43:08,205 --> 00:43:10,707
that I thought were similar in

1201
00:43:10,707 --> 00:43:12,175
nature and and you know, nine

1202
00:43:12,175 --> 00:43:13,243
times out of ten the the

1203
00:43:13,243 --> 00:43:14,911
PRESIDENT Would have agreed

1204
00:43:14,911 --> 00:43:16,813
with me and then I would go to

1205
00:43:16,813 --> 00:43:19,820
the council to the counselor

1206
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:19,850
and discuss it further and then

1207
00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:20,884
we would go from there.

1208
00:43:20,884 --> 00:43:22,884
All right.

1209
00:43:23,553 --> 00:43:25,210
>> uh and that I think you've

1210
00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:26,923
done a great job at that clerk

1211
00:43:26,923 --> 00:43:28,392
and I can as long as we trust

1212
00:43:28,392 --> 00:43:30,293
the person in your position to

1213
00:43:30,293 --> 00:43:31,661
,uh, arbitrarily and fairly

1214
00:43:31,661 --> 00:43:32,929
make those decisions, I think

1215
00:43:32,929 --> 00:43:33,563
it's a good check and balance

1216
00:43:33,563 --> 00:43:33,997
on the council.

1217
00:43:33,997 --> 00:43:35,832
Um.

1218
00:43:35,832 --> 00:43:36,901
>> and I appreciate all your

1219
00:43:36,901 --> 00:43:38,301
work and time that you put into

1220
00:43:38,301 --> 00:43:39,369
that and we'll try and get it a

1221
00:43:39,369 --> 00:43:40,137
little bit in before ten

1222
00:43:40,137 --> 00:43:41,710
minutes to the deadline.

1223
00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:42,305
It out.

1224
00:43:42,305 --> 00:43:42,939
>> thank you council.

1225
00:43:42,939 --> 00:43:43,774
Great thank you.

1226
00:43:43,774 --> 00:43:45,542
That is all MADAM PRESIDENT.

1227
00:43:45,542 --> 00:43:47,377
Thank you councilor fitzgerald

1228
00:43:47,377 --> 00:43:47,978
chair recognizes I know just.

1229
00:43:47,978 --> 00:43:49,212
Recently pete.

1230
00:43:49,212 --> 00:43:50,181
Chair recognizes

1231
00:43:50,181 --> 00:43:50,814
councilor durkan country you

1232
00:43:50,814 --> 00:43:51,948
have the floor.

1233
00:43:51,948 --> 00:43:52,215
Thank you so much chair

1234
00:43:52,215 --> 00:43:53,851
bratton.

1235
00:43:53,851 --> 00:43:55,552
Um and actually clark I

1236
00:43:55,552 --> 00:43:57,187
recognize that at the last, um

1237
00:43:57,187 --> 00:43:58,455
,I filed something pretty late

1238
00:43:58,455 --> 00:43:59,323
and it was one of the first

1239
00:43:59,323 --> 00:44:01,358
things on the agenda.

1240
00:44:01,358 --> 00:44:02,625
So I was my first inkling that

1241
00:44:02,625 --> 00:44:03,930
people were filing things

1242
00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:05,930
pretty late.

1243
00:44:05,529 --> 00:44:07,197
So, um, so not an easy job that

1244
00:44:07,197 --> 00:44:08,265
you have putting an agenda

1245
00:44:08,265 --> 00:44:10,665
together in two hours.

1246
00:44:10,901 --> 00:44:13,571
Um, and also not an easy job

1247
00:44:13,571 --> 00:44:15,472
that, um, you rely on us to re

1248
00:44:15,472 --> 00:44:16,740
approve you for your job so

1249
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:19,242
you're often trying to be the

1250
00:44:19,242 --> 00:44:20,544
most fair and do a great job

1251
00:44:20,544 --> 00:44:21,978
and a great balancing act.

1252
00:44:21,978 --> 00:44:22,546
So clark, thank you for all

1253
00:44:22,546 --> 00:44:24,546
that you do.

1254
00:44:25,582 --> 00:44:26,683
Um, and, um, I know when it's

1255
00:44:26,683 --> 00:44:27,784
time for you to retire we're

1256
00:44:27,784 --> 00:44:28,818
going to we're going to have to

1257
00:44:28,818 --> 00:44:29,920
give you so many flowers

1258
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:30,921
because we put you through a

1259
00:44:30,921 --> 00:44:33,156
lot in the past few years.

1260
00:44:33,156 --> 00:44:34,224
Um, so I definitely think

1261
00:44:34,224 --> 00:44:36,920
there's a difference between

1262
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,280
rule 15 and rule 33.

1263
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,331
Um, so I just wanted to ask a

1264
00:44:41,331 --> 00:44:44,331
question about um obviously um

1265
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:48,138
I think in the specific um

1266
00:44:48,138 --> 00:44:50,600
anecdote that's was the cause

1267
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,600
of this hearing.

1268
00:44:53,677 --> 00:44:56,346
Um, I objected to a filing on

1269
00:44:56,346 --> 00:44:57,613
the basis of rule 15, but rule

1270
00:44:57,613 --> 00:44:58,480
33 is actually.

1271
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,480
>> the.

1272
00:45:01,318 --> 00:45:03,386
Rule that allows for a city

1273
00:45:03,386 --> 00:45:04,654
councilor to, um, you know,

1274
00:45:04,654 --> 00:45:06,690
object to a filing.

1275
00:45:06,690 --> 00:45:06,923
Can you speak a little more to

1276
00:45:06,923 --> 00:45:08,923
that?

1277
00:45:10,394 --> 00:45:13,394
Um, to rule 33 and uh,

1278
00:45:14,297 --> 00:45:15,999
obviously um, rule 33 is where

1279
00:45:15,999 --> 00:45:17,867
it is derived that city

1280
00:45:17,867 --> 00:45:20,136
councilors can object on the

1281
00:45:20,136 --> 00:45:21,304
first day um, like on you know,

1282
00:45:21,304 --> 00:45:22,172
on the first day that it's

1283
00:45:22,172 --> 00:45:24,572
introduced before the council.

1284
00:45:25,842 --> 00:45:26,760
But well, usually the uh on the

1285
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,760
um.

1286
00:45:28,144 --> 00:45:31,448
One step back we're going to

1287
00:45:31,448 --> 00:45:33,316
move 15 of the rule 15 uh

1288
00:45:33,316 --> 00:45:34,384
issues take place before the

1289
00:45:34,384 --> 00:45:36,419
agenda is even published.

1290
00:45:36,419 --> 00:45:38,521
So when the agenda when we come

1291
00:45:38,521 --> 00:45:40,790
to our meeting and the agenda

1292
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:43,259
is all there and ready to go,

1293
00:45:43,259 --> 00:45:45,128
uh, and if a docket doesn't get

1294
00:45:45,128 --> 00:45:46,196
unanimous consent to pass and

1295
00:45:46,196 --> 00:45:47,664
then there's an objection

1296
00:45:47,664 --> 00:45:49,990
of course it goes to committee.

1297
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:50,567
So like there were two

1298
00:45:50,567 --> 00:45:50,967
objections in the last meeting.

1299
00:45:50,967 --> 00:45:52,967
Yes.

1300
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,505
so that that whatever happens

1301
00:45:55,505 --> 00:45:58,174
in the meeting I think it

1302
00:45:58,174 --> 00:45:59,843
doesn't really reflect back to

1303
00:45:59,843 --> 00:46:01,911
rule 15 because that was

1304
00:46:01,911 --> 00:46:03,180
already you know, the issue was

1305
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:06,180
reviewed prior to the meeting.

1306
00:46:06,449 --> 00:46:08,118
So it's kind of it's improper

1307
00:46:08,118 --> 00:46:09,386
you know, taking the women's

1308
00:46:09,386 --> 00:46:11,855
history month as the anecdote

1309
00:46:11,855 --> 00:46:13,323
here, um, it's improper to cite

1310
00:46:13,323 --> 00:46:15,723
rule 15 because rule 15 the

1311
00:46:16,426 --> 00:46:18,940
powers with the clerk wear rule

1312
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:18,695
33 the powers with the council.

1313
00:46:18,695 --> 00:46:20,695
Okay.

1314
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:25,368
>> um and I guess um, I know

1315
00:46:25,368 --> 00:46:27,437
when I want to pass something

1316
00:46:27,437 --> 00:46:28,905
the same day there's a number

1317
00:46:28,905 --> 00:46:30,807
of people I usually need to

1318
00:46:30,807 --> 00:46:31,675
talk to to ensure that it's not

1319
00:46:31,675 --> 00:46:33,109
going to be blocked.

1320
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:35,378
Otherwise I might be surprised

1321
00:46:35,378 --> 00:46:35,645
on the day that I file

1322
00:46:35,645 --> 00:46:37,247
something.

1323
00:46:37,247 --> 00:46:38,548
Um, particularly there's a

1324
00:46:38,548 --> 00:46:40,417
couple of landmarks that I

1325
00:46:40,417 --> 00:46:41,685
tried to suspend in past that

1326
00:46:41,685 --> 00:46:43,685
were objected to.

1327
00:46:44,754 --> 00:46:46,623
Um, so I know that if I want to

1328
00:46:46,623 --> 00:46:49,926
bring something to the floor on

1329
00:46:49,926 --> 00:46:51,394
the same day for passage that

1330
00:46:51,394 --> 00:46:52,462
often I need to check with my

1331
00:46:52,462 --> 00:46:53,730
colleagues to make sure that

1332
00:46:53,730 --> 00:46:56,130
they're okay with suspension

1333
00:46:56,633 --> 00:46:58,701
and passage on on the day and

1334
00:46:58,701 --> 00:47:01,404
that is because of rule 33

1335
00:47:01,404 --> 00:47:02,672
knowing that, um, you know,

1336
00:47:02,672 --> 00:47:04,141
someone might want a hearing

1337
00:47:04,141 --> 00:47:06,810
for a specific docket, they

1338
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:09,312
might want more information um,

1339
00:47:09,312 --> 00:47:10,780
at least for me for rule 15

1340
00:47:10,780 --> 00:47:11,848
given all everything that

1341
00:47:11,848 --> 00:47:14,248
you've, you know, already

1342
00:47:14,317 --> 00:47:15,585
spoken to and given the

1343
00:47:15,585 --> 00:47:17,454
verbiage um, and given that the

1344
00:47:17,454 --> 00:47:19,155
city council um unanimously

1345
00:47:19,155 --> 00:47:20,423
approved the rules um, I don't

1346
00:47:20,423 --> 00:47:21,691
have any questions about rule

1347
00:47:21,691 --> 00:47:23,691
15 in particular.

1348
00:47:25,361 --> 00:47:27,430
Um, I will say that um, now

1349
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:28,498
having this hearing um and

1350
00:47:28,498 --> 00:47:30,366
hearing from my colleagues uh,

1351
00:47:30,366 --> 00:47:32,680
on this issue, I think it's

1352
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,336
improper to cite rule 15 as a

1353
00:47:33,336 --> 00:47:33,803
reason that you're objecting to

1354
00:47:33,803 --> 00:47:35,803
a docket.

1355
00:47:36,473 --> 00:47:37,841
So, um, given that that gives

1356
00:47:37,841 --> 00:47:38,108
power to the clerk and not to

1357
00:47:38,108 --> 00:47:38,441
the.

1358
00:47:38,441 --> 00:47:40,441
Council.

1359
00:47:42,479 --> 00:47:44,547
>> um, I'll say that I haven't

1360
00:47:44,547 --> 00:47:46,547
always been completely

1361
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:47,917
satisfied with um, rule 15,

1362
00:47:47,917 --> 00:47:48,785
particularly when it comes to

1363
00:47:48,785 --> 00:47:50,785
my committee.

1364
00:47:51,210 --> 00:47:52,489
Um, because often there are

1365
00:47:52,489 --> 00:47:53,957
duplicative dockets that I end

1366
00:47:53,957 --> 00:47:56,600
up combining to have one

1367
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,327
hearing on the subject because

1368
00:47:57,327 --> 00:48:00,196
it's the same stakeholders that

1369
00:48:00,196 --> 00:48:01,264
are interested in the multiple

1370
00:48:01,264 --> 00:48:03,264
subject matter.

1371
00:48:04,134 --> 00:48:06,200
I think my uh, charge for our

1372
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,710
colleagues is that if you

1373
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:09,372
jointly care about an issue, we

1374
00:48:09,372 --> 00:48:09,806
should work on those issues

1375
00:48:09,806 --> 00:48:11,474
together.

1376
00:48:11,474 --> 00:48:14,377
And I think it actually creates

1377
00:48:14,377 --> 00:48:16,446
for a more robust hearing when

1378
00:48:16,446 --> 00:48:17,514
especially just um, with

1379
00:48:17,514 --> 00:48:18,381
planning, development and

1380
00:48:18,381 --> 00:48:19,449
transportation I think it

1381
00:48:19,449 --> 00:48:22,118
creates for a more robust

1382
00:48:22,118 --> 00:48:23,419
hearing when all of the people

1383
00:48:23,419 --> 00:48:24,921
who care about a specific

1384
00:48:24,921 --> 00:48:26,589
subject matter are working on

1385
00:48:26,589 --> 00:48:27,257
the same docket and working on

1386
00:48:27,257 --> 00:48:29,257
the same issue.

1387
00:48:31,528 --> 00:48:31,828
Um, and I think that if

1388
00:48:31,828 --> 00:48:33,396
colleagues.

1389
00:48:33,396 --> 00:48:34,464
Were willing to talk to each

1390
00:48:34,464 --> 00:48:35,298
other, a lot of these issues

1391
00:48:35,298 --> 00:48:37,298
would not exist.

1392
00:48:38,168 --> 00:48:39,200
Um, because we know baseline

1393
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:39,869
what our colleagues were

1394
00:48:39,869 --> 00:48:41,704
working on.

1395
00:48:41,704 --> 00:48:44,574
Um, so we would yeah.

1396
00:48:44,574 --> 00:48:46,443
And there have been times where

1397
00:48:46,443 --> 00:48:48,545
I call it being scooped you get

1398
00:48:48,545 --> 00:48:49,379
scooped on an issue, you care

1399
00:48:49,379 --> 00:48:50,714
deeply about it.

1400
00:48:50,714 --> 00:48:51,515
you've already you MAY have

1401
00:48:51,515 --> 00:48:53,116
already written the filing.

1402
00:48:53,116 --> 00:48:56,619
It might be sitting in your

1403
00:48:56,619 --> 00:48:59,489
drive and it gets filed before

1404
00:48:59,489 --> 00:49:02,992
um one of those examples was um

1405
00:49:02,992 --> 00:49:04,694
single stare uh, reform um, my

1406
00:49:04,694 --> 00:49:06,163
office had been part of a

1407
00:49:06,163 --> 00:49:07,231
statewide working group for

1408
00:49:07,231 --> 00:49:08,465
literally six months.

1409
00:49:08,465 --> 00:49:09,933
We were joining meetings for

1410
00:49:09,933 --> 00:49:10,967
six months on single stair

1411
00:49:10,967 --> 00:49:11,968
reform and the

1412
00:49:11,968 --> 00:49:13,236
council PRESIDENT And her team

1413
00:49:13,236 --> 00:49:13,470
had been working on the same

1414
00:49:13,470 --> 00:49:15,470
thing.

1415
00:49:16,139 --> 00:49:17,607
She filed it and I went

1416
00:49:17,607 --> 00:49:19,476
directly to her office and

1417
00:49:19,476 --> 00:49:20,343
said, you know, hey, I'd really

1418
00:49:20,343 --> 00:49:21,478
love to be on this.

1419
00:49:21,478 --> 00:49:21,945
I've actually been working on

1420
00:49:21,945 --> 00:49:23,945
this statewide.

1421
00:49:25,181 --> 00:49:26,182
Um, so um that's the kind

1422
00:49:26,182 --> 00:49:27,160
of collaboration that should

1423
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,718
exist in the council and

1424
00:49:28,718 --> 00:49:28,952
doesn't always exist in the

1425
00:49:28,952 --> 00:49:30,952
council.

1426
00:49:31,621 --> 00:49:32,889
Um, and I think um it makes it

1427
00:49:32,889 --> 00:49:33,756
harder to collaborate with

1428
00:49:33,756 --> 00:49:34,991
colleagues when they are

1429
00:49:34,991 --> 00:49:36,226
calling you things in the news.

1430
00:49:36,226 --> 00:49:39,226
And I think that's something

1431
00:49:39,529 --> 00:49:42,310
that we need to think about is

1432
00:49:42,310 --> 00:49:43,700
um, if we're going to hurl

1433
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:44,968
things at people in the

1434
00:49:44,968 --> 00:49:47,871
news and then not respond to

1435
00:49:47,871 --> 00:49:51,374
their emails um, I think that

1436
00:49:51,374 --> 00:49:52,642
is really important, um, that

1437
00:49:52,642 --> 00:49:53,510
we have that level

1438
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:54,978
of collaboration where if we

1439
00:49:54,978 --> 00:49:57,881
asked to meet they'll meet with

1440
00:49:57,881 --> 00:50:00,149
us and um, I think that to be

1441
00:50:00,149 --> 00:50:01,510
honest like that's where all

1442
00:50:01,510 --> 00:50:02,719
this is coming from, we

1443
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:03,987
wouldn't need to have an entire

1444
00:50:03,987 --> 00:50:05,254
hearing on roles if we just

1445
00:50:05,254 --> 00:50:06,256
talked to each other and had

1446
00:50:06,256 --> 00:50:07,560
more collaboration.

1447
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:08,624
Thank you.

1448
00:50:08,624 --> 00:50:11,240
Thank you, councilor durkan.

1449
00:50:11,861 --> 00:50:12,228
Uh, the chair recognizes, uh,

1450
00:50:12,228 --> 00:50:13,162
councilor weber.

1451
00:50:13,162 --> 00:50:13,997
Councilor, you have the floor.

1452
00:50:13,997 --> 00:50:14,731
Uh.

1453
00:50:14,731 --> 00:50:16,466
>> thank you.

1454
00:50:16,466 --> 00:50:16,933
Uh, I guess for uh for the

1455
00:50:16,933 --> 00:50:18,933
clerk.

1456
00:50:19,969 --> 00:50:21,237
Um, so it's a sub topic you can

1457
00:50:21,237 --> 00:50:24,740
file something on a sub topic.

1458
00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:24,741
How do you define sub topic or

1459
00:50:24,741 --> 00:50:26,142
what do you.

1460
00:50:26,142 --> 00:50:28,770
Look at to.

1461
00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:28,345
Is that just like you know when

1462
00:50:28,345 --> 00:50:28,778
you see.

1463
00:50:28,778 --> 00:50:29,312
>> it.

1464
00:50:29,312 --> 00:50:31,312
For us.

1465
00:50:31,347 --> 00:50:33,449
As well I would read it over

1466
00:50:33,449 --> 00:50:34,717
and uh you know it depends on

1467
00:50:34,717 --> 00:50:36,419
what the outcome is of that

1468
00:50:36,419 --> 00:50:37,653
order in the in the summary

1469
00:50:37,653 --> 00:50:40,530
of the last paragraph.

1470
00:50:40,323 --> 00:50:42,392
That certainly determines for

1471
00:50:42,392 --> 00:50:44,610
me if it would be a duplicate

1472
00:50:44,610 --> 00:50:46,296
uh, docket or not here.

1473
00:50:46,296 --> 00:50:48,164
And even if there was uh like

1474
00:50:48,164 --> 00:50:49,466
white stating is a good issue

1475
00:50:49,466 --> 00:50:50,934
because then there was a lot

1476
00:50:50,934 --> 00:50:53,403
of different orders filed for

1477
00:50:53,403 --> 00:50:55,505
white stadium on many different

1478
00:50:55,505 --> 00:50:57,373
areas of like construction and

1479
00:50:57,373 --> 00:50:58,641
financing and budgeting and

1480
00:50:58,641 --> 00:51:01,641
community input and all that.

1481
00:51:02,311 --> 00:51:03,980
So you know, those those those

1482
00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:05,481
orders were somewhat you know,

1483
00:51:05,481 --> 00:51:07,951
a little bit more tedious to

1484
00:51:07,951 --> 00:51:09,852
review because I had to

1485
00:51:09,852 --> 00:51:11,120
determine what the outcome

1486
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,589
of that particular ward or what

1487
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:15,589
the intention of it is.

1488
00:51:16,426 --> 00:51:18,528
So nine times out of ten I we

1489
00:51:18,528 --> 00:51:21,197
would determine that it is a

1490
00:51:21,197 --> 00:51:22,265
separate distinct order and it

1491
00:51:22,265 --> 00:51:24,367
doesn't really conflict with

1492
00:51:24,367 --> 00:51:25,201
the others even though it

1493
00:51:25,201 --> 00:51:26,636
seemed duplicate.

1494
00:51:26,636 --> 00:51:27,471
To be to uh.

1495
00:51:27,471 --> 00:51:29,720
Duplicate but.

1496
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,472
The outcome is different.

1497
00:51:32,942 --> 00:51:35,440
So that would be probably the

1498
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,514
best example I could give in

1499
00:51:37,514 --> 00:51:39,816
terms of a sub a sub topic uh

1500
00:51:39,816 --> 00:51:41,251
on an order uh again.

1501
00:51:41,251 --> 00:51:42,952
We review it with michelle and

1502
00:51:42,952 --> 00:51:45,352
with the council's central

1503
00:51:46,456 --> 00:51:48,124
staff and and we come to a

1504
00:51:48,124 --> 00:51:51,270
consensus and we go from there.

1505
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:51,828
So uh, I guess is it fair to.

1506
00:51:51,828 --> 00:51:53,163
Say that you.

1507
00:51:53,163 --> 00:51:54,764
You're you're trying to get.

1508
00:51:54,764 --> 00:51:57,164
>> the the, uh, filing.

1509
00:51:57,233 --> 00:51:58,501
Onto the agenda like, you know,

1510
00:51:58,501 --> 00:51:59,769
you said nine times out of ten

1511
00:51:59,769 --> 00:52:01,170
you you can find a sub.

1512
00:52:01,170 --> 00:52:03,170
Topic like we.

1513
00:52:03,206 --> 00:52:03,539
Just you're for you

1514
00:52:03,539 --> 00:52:04,674
individually.

1515
00:52:04,674 --> 00:52:04,908
Are you?

1516
00:52:04,908 --> 00:52:05,842
Yeah.

1517
00:52:05,842 --> 00:52:06,676
>> do you do you.

1518
00:52:06,676 --> 00:52:08,676
Are you just.

1519
00:52:09,312 --> 00:52:10,514
Looking at this and calling

1520
00:52:10,514 --> 00:52:11,915
and strikes on that or are you

1521
00:52:11,915 --> 00:52:14,160
trying to find a way to get the

1522
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,840
filing you know not you're not

1523
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:15,885
have to invoke rule 15.

1524
00:52:15,885 --> 00:52:16,686
Well when we.

1525
00:52:16,686 --> 00:52:17,120
Uh get.

1526
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:17,353
>> all.

1527
00:52:17,353 --> 00:52:18,588
The.

1528
00:52:18,588 --> 00:52:19,322
Dockets by 10:00, you know.

1529
00:52:19,322 --> 00:52:19,722
It's like a.

1530
00:52:19,722 --> 00:52:21,357
Race for.

1531
00:52:21,357 --> 00:52:22,250
>> 12 because the open meeting

1532
00:52:22,250 --> 00:52:24,425
while we have to.

1533
00:52:25,294 --> 00:52:28,294
Post everything at 12:00 and so

1534
00:52:29,198 --> 00:52:32,302
in in in in 2026 I've had 16

1535
00:52:32,302 --> 00:52:33,569
rule 15 items so those uh they

1536
00:52:33,569 --> 00:52:35,171
take up a lot of time.

1537
00:52:35,171 --> 00:52:36,500
To review to.

1538
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:37,841
Read the order.

1539
00:52:37,841 --> 00:52:40,109
Sometimes an order is like one

1540
00:52:40,109 --> 00:52:42,411
page of orders are like 3 or 4

1541
00:52:42,411 --> 00:52:43,279
pages so I have to read the

1542
00:52:43,279 --> 00:52:44,514
current order than.

1543
00:52:44,514 --> 00:52:45,848
Review the previous.

1544
00:52:45,848 --> 00:52:47,884
>> one that's a duplicate.

1545
00:52:47,884 --> 00:52:50,586
Uh so that involves a lot

1546
00:52:50,586 --> 00:52:52,255
of time and and for me I have

1547
00:52:52,255 --> 00:52:54,524
to abide by the open meeting

1548
00:52:54,524 --> 00:52:55,925
law so I call the

1549
00:52:55,925 --> 00:52:56,993
council directly or I come down

1550
00:52:56,993 --> 00:52:59,610
to the office I review

1551
00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:01,264
everything, we talk with the

1552
00:53:01,264 --> 00:53:03,566
central staff and we try to

1553
00:53:03,566 --> 00:53:07,700
come to a decision to to see if

1554
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:08,738
it is truly a duplicate for and

1555
00:53:08,738 --> 00:53:10,440
nine times out of ten we do

1556
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,275
that pretty quickly and and

1557
00:53:12,275 --> 00:53:13,976
then if it isn't then it will

1558
00:53:13,976 --> 00:53:15,445
go on to the agenda and be part

1559
00:53:15,445 --> 00:53:16,312
of the meeting at the next

1560
00:53:16,312 --> 00:53:18,147
meeting okay.

1561
00:53:18,147 --> 00:53:20,216
And I guess with all of your

1562
00:53:20,216 --> 00:53:22,850
experience with this rule is

1563
00:53:22,850 --> 00:53:23,353
there is there any additional

1564
00:53:23,353 --> 00:53:24,954
guidance or anything that you

1565
00:53:24,954 --> 00:53:26,356
know in the rule that you.

1566
00:53:26,356 --> 00:53:28,191
Think the council.

1567
00:53:28,191 --> 00:53:30,590
Could help you out on uh, with

1568
00:53:30,590 --> 00:53:30,727
the language in the rule or do

1569
00:53:30,727 --> 00:53:32,161
you feel like yeah.

1570
00:53:32,161 --> 00:53:33,996
This this well I think.

1571
00:53:33,996 --> 00:53:36,699
>> for me for for me and my

1572
00:53:36,699 --> 00:53:39,602
staff especially we uh there's

1573
00:53:39,602 --> 00:53:42,471
like a race for 12 noon and you

1574
00:53:42,471 --> 00:53:44,140
know, I my hope is that the

1575
00:53:44,140 --> 00:53:46,642
council has could submit items

1576
00:53:46,642 --> 00:53:46,909
sooner than ten minutes before

1577
00:53:46,909 --> 00:53:48,909
10:00.

1578
00:53:49,946 --> 00:53:51,214
Uh, and we have discussed the

1579
00:53:51,214 --> 00:53:52,682
possibility of changing that,

1580
00:53:52,682 --> 00:53:54,351
but we you know, that's still

1581
00:53:54,351 --> 00:53:57,951
like an idea that we could.

1582
00:53:58,210 --> 00:54:00,210
Introduce but the.

1583
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,123
The dockets the filing

1584
00:54:01,123 --> 00:54:01,391
of dockets actually has

1585
00:54:01,391 --> 00:54:02,191
increased.

1586
00:54:02,191 --> 00:54:03,626
A great.

1587
00:54:03,626 --> 00:54:07,731
Deal in the last few years like

1588
00:54:07,731 --> 00:54:07,964
in 2025 there was 2114 dockets

1589
00:54:07,964 --> 00:54:09,964
filed.

1590
00:54:12,340 --> 00:54:14,700
Where in 19 2019 it was 1700.

1591
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:16,470
So so far in.

1592
00:54:18,140 --> 00:54:18,374
2026 we've had uh 1588 dockets

1593
00:54:18,374 --> 00:54:20,374
file.

1594
00:54:21,244 --> 00:54:21,878
So each meeting that we have

1595
00:54:21,878 --> 00:54:23,513
there's a.

1596
00:54:23,513 --> 00:54:23,980
Great amount of dockets on the

1597
00:54:23,980 --> 00:54:25,980
end.

1598
00:54:25,982 --> 00:54:27,884
Those dockets all have to be

1599
00:54:27,884 --> 00:54:28,117
reviewed by myself and my staff

1600
00:54:28,117 --> 00:54:30,117
.

1601
00:54:30,787 --> 00:54:33,656
So that takes uh quite a bit

1602
00:54:33,656 --> 00:54:35,358
of time to to get the agenda

1603
00:54:35,358 --> 00:54:35,791
created, assign docket numbers

1604
00:54:35,791 --> 00:54:37,791
to them.

1605
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:40,730
Uh, if there are all 15 items

1606
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:42,598
then we have to contact the

1607
00:54:42,598 --> 00:54:43,466
council or come down and talk

1608
00:54:43,466 --> 00:54:45,466
to the counselor.

1609
00:54:45,701 --> 00:54:48,204
Uh, so all that takes time and

1610
00:54:48,204 --> 00:54:50,306
then hopefully by there was one

1611
00:54:50,306 --> 00:54:53,306
instance where we posted the

1612
00:54:53,810 --> 00:54:55,478
agenda at like 1201 because we

1613
00:54:55,478 --> 00:54:55,945
had to review.

1614
00:54:55,945 --> 00:54:56,912
>> certain.

1615
00:54:56,912 --> 00:54:57,780
Certain things on that

1616
00:54:57,780 --> 00:54:58,470
particular order with the

1617
00:54:58,470 --> 00:55:00,470
council.

1618
00:55:00,851 --> 00:55:02,819
So you know, we try to do.

1619
00:55:02,819 --> 00:55:05,121
>> our due diligence and I try

1620
00:55:05,121 --> 00:55:06,789
to process everything as

1621
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:08,570
quickly as I can to meet the

1622
00:55:08,570 --> 00:55:09,580
open meeting deadline.

1623
00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:11,580
Okay.

1624
00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:12,561
>> so you know I'm I'm writing

1625
00:55:12,561 --> 00:55:14,163
down make sure everything filed

1626
00:55:14,163 --> 00:55:15,565
at least 11 minutes before.

1627
00:55:15,565 --> 00:55:15,831
The deadline so you won't blame

1628
00:55:15,831 --> 00:55:17,831
me.

1629
00:55:18,901 --> 00:55:20,136
Um uh, but uh, so it sounds

1630
00:55:20,136 --> 00:55:23,639
like that that that's that's an

1631
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:25,741
issue uh, and the number

1632
00:55:25,741 --> 00:55:28,211
of filings makes it, uh,

1633
00:55:28,211 --> 00:55:29,478
stressful uh, to get through

1634
00:55:29,478 --> 00:55:31,347
everything but in terms of the

1635
00:55:31,347 --> 00:55:34,500
rule itself, like when you're

1636
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:35,651
applying rule 15, um, have you

1637
00:55:35,651 --> 00:55:36,452
is there some something in

1638
00:55:36,452 --> 00:55:39,550
there that you keep going?

1639
00:55:39,550 --> 00:55:39,722
Um, I wish they had not done

1640
00:55:39,722 --> 00:55:40,322
that or.

1641
00:55:40,322 --> 00:55:41,691
Clarified something.

1642
00:55:41,691 --> 00:55:43,726
The language for rule 15.

1643
00:55:43,726 --> 00:55:44,270
Has pretty much been

1644
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:45,995
consistent.

1645
00:55:45,995 --> 00:55:48,464
Sure for the last few years.

1646
00:55:48,464 --> 00:55:48,664
So I don't think that's the

1647
00:55:48,664 --> 00:55:50,664
issue.

1648
00:55:50,666 --> 00:55:51,901
I think the issue is uh to

1649
00:55:51,901 --> 00:55:54,804
review the dockets did making

1650
00:55:54,804 --> 00:55:57,204
the determination uh, working

1651
00:55:57,707 --> 00:55:58,140
with the counselor um I think

1652
00:55:58,140 --> 00:56:00,140
another.

1653
00:56:00,576 --> 00:56:02,245
Uh aspect of all this is we

1654
00:56:02,245 --> 00:56:03,313
have the green sheet so all the

1655
00:56:03,313 --> 00:56:03,779
counselors have that

1656
00:56:03,779 --> 00:56:05,779
information.

1657
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,117
Yeah, the tip of their hands to

1658
00:56:08,117 --> 00:56:08,484
before they file any dockets.

1659
00:56:08,484 --> 00:56:09,218
They could.

1660
00:56:09,218 --> 00:56:09,618
>> review the.

1661
00:56:09,618 --> 00:56:11,530
Green sheets.

1662
00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:13,530
And say, oh.

1663
00:56:14,290 --> 00:56:15,791
There's a similar sounding

1664
00:56:15,791 --> 00:56:16,225
docket on the green sheets

1665
00:56:16,225 --> 00:56:18,225
already.

1666
00:56:18,494 --> 00:56:20,730
So that could be a step that a.

1667
00:56:20,730 --> 00:56:21,797
Council could take to avoid any

1668
00:56:21,797 --> 00:56:23,320
rule 15.

1669
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,266
Issues okay.

1670
00:56:24,266 --> 00:56:26,266
Yeah yeah.

1671
00:56:26,502 --> 00:56:27,770
Sorry I just um because we did

1672
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:29,439
go back to kind of review the

1673
00:56:29,439 --> 00:56:31,341
history of rule 15 before the

1674
00:56:31,341 --> 00:56:32,408
um before this hearing I just

1675
00:56:32,408 --> 00:56:34,477
wanted to share because it's

1676
00:56:34,477 --> 00:56:35,778
interesting also but um, you

1677
00:56:35,778 --> 00:56:36,879
know, rule 15 comes up for the

1678
00:56:36,879 --> 00:56:40,479
first time in our council rules

1679
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:43,853
and like the 1980s um, and then

1680
00:56:43,853 --> 00:56:45,121
um it was expanded slightly in

1681
00:56:45,121 --> 00:56:47,121
the early 90s.

1682
00:56:47,356 --> 00:56:48,424
Um, we're making an assumption

1683
00:56:48,424 --> 00:56:49,892
because there were duplicate

1684
00:56:49,892 --> 00:56:51,361
matters in the previous year

1685
00:56:51,361 --> 00:56:53,290
that um, you know, the team was

1686
00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:54,930
able to go back and find um and

1687
00:56:54,930 --> 00:56:57,330
then it remained largely

1688
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,504
unchanged until um the past few

1689
00:57:01,504 --> 00:57:03,406
terms um when it became

1690
00:57:03,406 --> 00:57:04,473
something that was coming up in

1691
00:57:04,473 --> 00:57:06,342
conversations with the clerk,

1692
00:57:06,342 --> 00:57:08,411
with myself and at our rules

1693
00:57:08,411 --> 00:57:08,878
committee meetings, um, to

1694
00:57:08,878 --> 00:57:09,478
review.

1695
00:57:09,478 --> 00:57:11,113
The rules.

1696
00:57:11,113 --> 00:57:13,513
So the current iteration

1697
00:57:14,383 --> 00:57:16,850
of rule 15, um, tried to

1698
00:57:16,850 --> 00:57:19,850
address some of the concerns

1699
00:57:19,388 --> 00:57:21,457
that people had in the um the

1700
00:57:21,457 --> 00:57:21,691
end of 2025 at the last rules

1701
00:57:21,691 --> 00:57:23,125
meeting.

1702
00:57:23,125 --> 00:57:25,270
So at that last rules meeting

1703
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:26,495
people talked about, you know,

1704
00:57:26,495 --> 00:57:28,364
how things you know should be

1705
00:57:28,364 --> 00:57:28,831
allowed if they do evolve or

1706
00:57:28,831 --> 00:57:29,331
subtopics should.

1707
00:57:29,331 --> 00:57:30,966
Be evolved.

1708
00:57:30,966 --> 00:57:31,233
Um or some topics should be

1709
00:57:31,233 --> 00:57:33,233
allowed.

1710
00:57:33,869 --> 00:57:36,138
So all of that language was

1711
00:57:36,138 --> 00:57:37,406
added in in as a response to

1712
00:57:37,406 --> 00:57:39,806
what councilors had indicated

1713
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:43,412
they were hoping to see um

1714
00:57:43,412 --> 00:57:43,946
change about that rule from

1715
00:57:43,946 --> 00:57:45,946
2025 to 2026.

1716
00:57:48,417 --> 00:57:49,886
Um, so I think you can kind

1717
00:57:49,886 --> 00:57:51,187
of see us continuing to

1718
00:57:51,187 --> 00:57:51,420
struggle about how to implement

1719
00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:53,420
that.

1720
00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:56,290
Um, because um.

1721
00:57:56,292 --> 00:57:58,292
You know it.

1722
00:57:59,562 --> 00:58:00,630
You know it we add more

1723
00:58:00,630 --> 00:58:01,297
language but it's not

1724
00:58:01,297 --> 00:58:03,297
necessarily more clear.

1725
00:58:03,333 --> 00:58:04,670
So okay.

1726
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:04,601
Thank you very much.

1727
00:58:04,601 --> 00:58:05,801
Thank you chair.

1728
00:58:05,801 --> 00:58:07,801
Thank you.

1729
00:58:07,837 --> 00:58:09,138
Um, chair recognizes constable

1730
00:58:09,138 --> 00:58:09,372
culpeper councilor you have the

1731
00:58:09,372 --> 00:58:10,406
floor.

1732
00:58:10,406 --> 00:58:12,806
Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT.

1733
00:58:13,242 --> 00:58:15,642
Thank you, mr clerk.

1734
00:58:15,678 --> 00:58:17,678
Turn.

1735
00:58:18,547 --> 00:58:21,451
Michelle, is there any written

1736
00:58:21,451 --> 00:58:24,451
um, objective standard that you

1737
00:58:26,589 --> 00:58:27,290
use when you begin to review

1738
00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:28,457
two dockets that have been

1739
00:58:28,457 --> 00:58:30,459
filed that seem like a similar.

1740
00:58:30,459 --> 00:58:32,459
I just.

1741
00:58:32,928 --> 00:58:34,831
Uh, whatever whatever is in the

1742
00:58:34,831 --> 00:58:36,899
order I read the order I read

1743
00:58:36,899 --> 00:58:39,602
the previous order that seems

1744
00:58:39,602 --> 00:58:41,570
to be the duplicate and I just

1745
00:58:41,570 --> 00:58:44,473
make it that way if I see I

1746
00:58:44,473 --> 00:58:45,941
read enough duplicate uh

1747
00:58:45,941 --> 00:58:47,610
duplication in the wording and

1748
00:58:47,610 --> 00:58:50,112
the intent in the theme of the

1749
00:58:50,112 --> 00:58:51,381
order that's how I determine if

1750
00:58:51,381 --> 00:58:53,150
it's a duplicate or not.

1751
00:58:53,150 --> 00:58:54,283
So the there's no written

1752
00:58:54,283 --> 00:58:54,583
objective criteria.

1753
00:58:54,583 --> 00:58:54,984
No.

1754
00:58:54,984 --> 00:58:56,519
Okay.

1755
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:57,219
I think I would just say beyond

1756
00:58:57,219 --> 00:58:58,621
what's in the rules.

1757
00:58:58,621 --> 00:59:00,289
So the difference for this year

1758
00:59:00,289 --> 00:59:01,990
is that we've um the clerk you

1759
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:03,459
know or the rule has changed to

1760
00:59:03,459 --> 00:59:05,928
focus more on whether something

1761
00:59:05,928 --> 00:59:06,395
would result in the same kind

1762
00:59:06,395 --> 00:59:08,395
of hearing.

1763
00:59:09,310 --> 00:59:10,699
Um, so I think that's been the

1764
00:59:10,699 --> 00:59:11,767
kind of like written standard

1765
00:59:11,767 --> 00:59:14,437
that's changed a little bit.

1766
00:59:14,437 --> 00:59:16,939
I think what I'm probably more

1767
00:59:16,939 --> 00:59:19,441
concerned about is when there's

1768
00:59:19,441 --> 00:59:20,276
a disagreement with the clerk,

1769
00:59:20,276 --> 00:59:22,276
then what happens?

1770
00:59:23,345 --> 00:59:26,345
Um, and I'm wondering whether

1771
00:59:26,348 --> 00:59:29,348
the council should have uh.

1772
00:59:31,821 --> 00:59:34,123
Some appeal mechanism whether

1773
00:59:34,123 --> 00:59:36,392
to the PRESIDENT Or whether

1774
00:59:36,392 --> 00:59:39,992
it's, uh, to the council or

1775
00:59:41,531 --> 00:59:44,399
another process where um, the

1776
00:59:44,399 --> 00:59:47,399
council that has a disagreement

1777
00:59:48,938 --> 00:59:51,441
can appeal to uh or whether

1778
00:59:51,441 --> 00:59:53,209
there's there should be a

1779
00:59:53,209 --> 00:59:55,209
mechanism for reconsideration

1780
00:59:55,911 --> 00:59:57,580
just to give a councilors an

1781
00:59:57,580 --> 00:59:57,814
opportunity to state their case

1782
00:59:57,814 --> 00:59:59,814
.

1783
01:00:02,918 --> 01:00:03,786
Um, in case they disagree with

1784
01:00:03,786 --> 01:00:05,786
the final decision.

1785
01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:12,161
And uh, and you know, because

1786
01:00:12,161 --> 01:00:14,263
it's going to happen there's

1787
01:00:14,263 --> 01:00:15,431
going to be situations where

1788
01:00:15,431 --> 01:00:15,898
council is going to say um I

1789
01:00:15,898 --> 01:00:17,898
don't.

1790
01:00:19,168 --> 01:00:20,350
Should we have some kind

1791
01:00:20,350 --> 01:00:22,350
of appeal mechanism?

1792
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:23,739
And in that case whether it's

1793
01:00:23,739 --> 01:00:26,609
to the PRESIDENT Or whether

1794
01:00:26,609 --> 01:00:29,612
it's to the PRESIDENT To bring

1795
01:00:29,612 --> 01:00:33,115
to the council itself so the

1796
01:00:33,115 --> 01:00:35,170
council rules on it, uh,

1797
01:00:35,170 --> 01:00:37,860
because I can't see where there

1798
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:40,860
MAY be situations in the

1799
01:00:40,990 --> 01:00:43,892
future, uh, where council will

1800
01:00:43,892 --> 01:00:44,727
disagree and get uh again and

1801
01:00:44,727 --> 01:00:46,727
not me now.

1802
01:00:49,598 --> 01:00:49,899
But I think we should think

1803
01:00:49,899 --> 01:00:50,990
about that.

1804
01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:52,990
Yeah.

1805
01:00:53,469 --> 01:00:56,171
Um, MR. Clerk, just so it

1806
01:00:56,171 --> 01:00:59,171
relieves you of always having

1807
01:01:01,677 --> 01:01:05,581
to be the final arbiter um, and

1808
01:01:05,581 --> 01:01:09,840
to give a counselor, uh, some

1809
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,521
option in case you want a

1810
01:01:11,521 --> 01:01:11,954
reconsideration or to appeal to

1811
01:01:11,954 --> 01:01:13,789
the body.

1812
01:01:13,789 --> 01:01:16,910
The reason why I say appeal to

1813
01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:17,560
the PRESIDENT Or to the body

1814
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:18,627
because I know you've got that

1815
01:01:18,627 --> 01:01:19,610
file and you've got that

1816
01:01:19,610 --> 01:01:21,610
deadline.

1817
01:01:21,931 --> 01:01:24,931
There wouldn't be time really?

1818
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:28,471
Because I think in some

1819
01:01:28,471 --> 01:01:31,471
of these rule 15 matters they

1820
01:01:32,574 --> 01:01:34,476
come up so quickly when someone

1821
01:01:34,476 --> 01:01:36,345
file something you look at it

1822
01:01:36,345 --> 01:01:39,480
say oh my GOD got something

1823
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,480
filed already it's 11:45.

1824
01:01:41,830 --> 01:01:44,830
Uh so you're trying to.

1825
01:01:48,391 --> 01:01:50,590
Review it, come to the

1826
01:01:50,590 --> 01:01:50,526
PRESIDENT Then get to the

1827
01:01:50,526 --> 01:01:52,526
counselor.

1828
01:01:55,831 --> 01:01:58,501
Um and this probably not enough

1829
01:01:58,501 --> 01:02:00,336
time and some situations.

1830
01:02:00,336 --> 01:02:03,439
So I'm wondering if we should

1831
01:02:03,439 --> 01:02:06,108
think about some kind of appeal

1832
01:02:06,108 --> 01:02:07,776
procedure where if some of the

1833
01:02:07,776 --> 01:02:08,430
disagrees with and not MAY now

1834
01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:10,430
.

1835
01:02:10,279 --> 01:02:12,347
Well, there have been occasions

1836
01:02:12,347 --> 01:02:14,249
when it at one here at one

1837
01:02:14,249 --> 01:02:16,649
particular meeting we've had

1838
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:19,621
you know 3 to 15 items and

1839
01:02:19,621 --> 01:02:22,910
that's where I my opinion is

1840
01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:23,759
that is there's not enough time

1841
01:02:23,759 --> 01:02:25,394
for me to review right.

1842
01:02:25,394 --> 01:02:28,664
Um those three if I going to

1843
01:02:28,664 --> 01:02:30,966
post the agenda at 12 noon and

1844
01:02:30,966 --> 01:02:33,468
and then reviewing a rule 15

1845
01:02:33,468 --> 01:02:34,836
item is becomes tedious because

1846
01:02:34,836 --> 01:02:36,400
you have to read the the

1847
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,473
current one you have to read

1848
01:02:37,473 --> 01:02:39,775
the uh the previous one you

1849
01:02:39,775 --> 01:02:41,143
have to contact the counselor

1850
01:02:41,143 --> 01:02:43,110
night then I you know, I've

1851
01:02:43,110 --> 01:02:46,110
been upstairs for 20 years and

1852
01:02:46,315 --> 01:02:48,384
uh, my experience has been most

1853
01:02:48,384 --> 01:02:50,252
the council is that I've dealt

1854
01:02:50,252 --> 01:02:53,756
with over the years have been

1855
01:02:53,756 --> 01:02:55,858
very agreeable to my, um,

1856
01:02:55,858 --> 01:02:57,126
observation and opinion of what

1857
01:02:57,126 --> 01:02:58,727
the duplication is.

1858
01:02:58,727 --> 01:03:00,429
But there have been occasions

1859
01:03:00,429 --> 01:03:01,897
when yes, you you're right a

1860
01:03:01,897 --> 01:03:03,165
council that digs in and says

1861
01:03:03,165 --> 01:03:06,350
no it's not the same.

1862
01:03:06,350 --> 01:03:07,302
It's uh it this the outcome

1863
01:03:07,302 --> 01:03:08,771
of this is going to be

1864
01:03:08,771 --> 01:03:11,440
different and I don't agree

1865
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,742
with you so but I you know

1866
01:03:13,742 --> 01:03:15,811
there was I think one occasion

1867
01:03:15,811 --> 01:03:16,440
many years ago that that did

1868
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:17,680
happen.

1869
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:18,981
I was there probably the there

1870
01:03:18,981 --> 01:03:21,250
was the assistant clerk back

1871
01:03:21,250 --> 01:03:22,718
then but I think we allowed

1872
01:03:22,718 --> 01:03:25,821
something to go on the agenda

1873
01:03:25,821 --> 01:03:26,889
and then whatever the

1874
01:03:26,889 --> 01:03:28,157
council wanted to do with that

1875
01:03:28,157 --> 01:03:28,991
item then that would be voted

1876
01:03:28,991 --> 01:03:31,226
on during the meeting.

1877
01:03:31,226 --> 01:03:32,661
So I think that goes back to.

1878
01:03:32,661 --> 01:03:34,396
The interplay with rule five.

1879
01:03:34,396 --> 01:03:35,897
So I mean I don't want to know

1880
01:03:35,897 --> 01:03:37,499
if it my understanding is that,

1881
01:03:37,499 --> 01:03:39,334
you know, if that disagreement

1882
01:03:39,334 --> 01:03:40,836
does happen you would tend to

1883
01:03:40,836 --> 01:03:41,700
allow the filing to move

1884
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:43,700
forward.

1885
01:03:43,505 --> 01:03:45,808
Um, and then once it's on the

1886
01:03:45,808 --> 01:03:47,609
agenda, if the PRESIDENT Or

1887
01:03:47,609 --> 01:03:49,780
another councilor feels that it

1888
01:03:49,780 --> 01:03:51,346
is duplicative and should have

1889
01:03:51,346 --> 01:03:53,449
been brought 15, they would

1890
01:03:53,449 --> 01:03:55,918
make a case under rule five

1891
01:03:55,918 --> 01:03:56,785
because rule five is within the

1892
01:03:56,785 --> 01:03:58,253
council to rule that out

1893
01:03:58,253 --> 01:04:00,880
of order for the same reasons.

1894
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:00,956
Was that something that came to

1895
01:04:00,956 --> 01:04:02,956
the full council?

1896
01:04:03,425 --> 01:04:04,893
So the way rule five works is

1897
01:04:04,893 --> 01:04:05,761
that it's technically the

1898
01:04:05,761 --> 01:04:06,280
PRESIDENT Who rules it out

1899
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:07,229
of order.

1900
01:04:07,229 --> 01:04:09,131
no, I understand it's subject

1901
01:04:09,131 --> 01:04:10,366
to appeal so it would be up for

1902
01:04:10,366 --> 01:04:12,366
a vote okay.

1903
01:04:13,435 --> 01:04:15,103
Yeah but it has to come to the

1904
01:04:15,103 --> 01:04:17,606
PRESIDENT By way of the clerk

1905
01:04:17,606 --> 01:04:19,475
bringing it to the PRESIDENT Or

1906
01:04:19,475 --> 01:04:20,309
just hit the floor because it

1907
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:20,709
was on the agenda.

1908
01:04:20,709 --> 01:04:22,709
Right.

1909
01:04:22,945 --> 01:04:26,481
And what I'm saying is maybe

1910
01:04:26,481 --> 01:04:28,881
there's something where it

1911
01:04:29,585 --> 01:04:32,870
doesn't go to the floor at that

1912
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:34,957
point, uh, without using rule

1913
01:04:34,957 --> 01:04:37,250
five whether we could seriously

1914
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:38,927
think about having some kind

1915
01:04:38,927 --> 01:04:41,927
of procedure without using rule

1916
01:04:42,231 --> 01:04:44,901
five where if someone really

1917
01:04:44,901 --> 01:04:49,101
dug in with the clerk it could

1918
01:04:49,237 --> 01:04:49,604
then go to the PRESIDENT Or to

1919
01:04:49,604 --> 01:04:51,440
the body.

1920
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,943
I just think there has to be

1921
01:04:54,943 --> 01:04:57,846
some kind of kill mechanism

1922
01:04:57,846 --> 01:05:00,846
that allows that council to

1923
01:05:01,950 --> 01:05:05,530
take their um argument or their

1924
01:05:05,530 --> 01:05:07,322
position uh, that differs with

1925
01:05:07,322 --> 01:05:08,190
the clerks to the PRESIDENT Or

1926
01:05:08,190 --> 01:05:10,590
the council or something.

1927
01:05:12,394 --> 01:05:13,428
I just think that's something

1928
01:05:13,428 --> 01:05:16,932
we might want to think about

1929
01:05:16,932 --> 01:05:19,534
and um, save you a little

1930
01:05:19,534 --> 01:05:19,802
aggravation of questioning and

1931
01:05:19,802 --> 01:05:21,802
uh.

1932
01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:25,941
Well, usually the uh if that uh

1933
01:05:25,941 --> 01:05:26,975
,issue occurs, uh, like

1934
01:05:26,975 --> 01:05:28,477
michelle said, you know, we

1935
01:05:28,477 --> 01:05:30,746
would allow it to be filed as

1936
01:05:30,746 --> 01:05:32,214
part of the agenda and be a

1937
01:05:32,214 --> 01:05:34,116
part of the regular meeting and

1938
01:05:34,116 --> 01:05:35,484
then at the meeting the

1939
01:05:35,484 --> 01:05:36,952
council could get up and say,

1940
01:05:36,952 --> 01:05:37,819
well, this is the reason why I

1941
01:05:37,819 --> 01:05:39,655
think this is different.

1942
01:05:39,655 --> 01:05:41,523
And if his colleagues agree

1943
01:05:41,523 --> 01:05:42,791
with that then it could be

1944
01:05:42,791 --> 01:05:43,580
passed or referred to

1945
01:05:43,580 --> 01:05:45,580
committee.

1946
01:05:45,294 --> 01:05:46,461
It could be objected to but

1947
01:05:46,461 --> 01:05:47,930
that would be on the floor

1948
01:05:47,930 --> 01:05:48,497
of the of the meeting and the

1949
01:05:48,497 --> 01:05:50,497
council meeting.

1950
01:05:51,133 --> 01:05:53,635
can we put that in writing or

1951
01:05:53,635 --> 01:05:56,338
some way formalize that so the

1952
01:05:56,338 --> 01:05:59,338
councilors will know uh, that's

1953
01:05:59,641 --> 01:05:59,975
uh protocol procedure that

1954
01:05:59,975 --> 01:06:01,209
could be.

1955
01:06:01,209 --> 01:06:01,643
>> we could create something.

1956
01:06:01,643 --> 01:06:02,477
>> yes.

1957
01:06:02,477 --> 01:06:04,313
So yeah yeah.

1958
01:06:04,313 --> 01:06:06,313
Thank you.

1959
01:06:07,983 --> 01:06:09,651
Appreciate how uh and and I can

1960
01:06:09,651 --> 01:06:11,520
only talk for about the eight

1961
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,623
months that I've been here and

1962
01:06:14,623 --> 01:06:16,910
how we've had real good

1963
01:06:16,910 --> 01:06:17,359
discussion sometimes sometimes

1964
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:17,759
intense discussion.

1965
01:06:17,759 --> 01:06:19,759
Yes.

1966
01:06:20,596 --> 01:06:21,463
Uh, with megan and, uh and meg

1967
01:06:21,463 --> 01:06:23,463
is not here.

1968
01:06:24,299 --> 01:06:25,534
She's, uh, been very helpful.

1969
01:06:25,534 --> 01:06:25,767
All of you have been very

1970
01:06:25,767 --> 01:06:27,767
helpful.

1971
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:29,704
I think the relationship lends

1972
01:06:29,704 --> 01:06:31,773
itself to even if there is a

1973
01:06:31,773 --> 01:06:33,875
proper procedure, it will still

1974
01:06:33,875 --> 01:06:34,710
be as smooth as things have

1975
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:36,710
been.

1976
01:06:37,345 --> 01:06:37,813
And, uh, just appreciate work

1977
01:06:37,813 --> 01:06:39,813
with you.

1978
01:06:40,820 --> 01:06:41,950
I think part probably what

1979
01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:42,384
happens is when you do that

1980
01:06:42,384 --> 01:06:44,384
prayer.

1981
01:06:45,821 --> 01:06:47,289
I've been doing a lot of press.

1982
01:06:47,289 --> 01:06:49,689
>> I know you write.

1983
01:06:49,925 --> 01:06:50,759
Pretty good.

1984
01:06:50,759 --> 01:06:52,194
.

1985
01:06:52,194 --> 01:06:54,594
>> uh well thank you

1986
01:06:54,696 --> 01:06:56,565
councilor I think um being here

1987
01:06:56,565 --> 01:06:58,267
and uh, for in the clerk's

1988
01:06:58,267 --> 01:07:00,335
office for 20 years I have a

1989
01:07:00,335 --> 01:07:03,380
like a very unique perspective

1990
01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:04,439
on the what the

1991
01:07:04,439 --> 01:07:06,839
responsibilities are and the

1992
01:07:07,142 --> 01:07:08,611
doing the agendas and uh,

1993
01:07:08,611 --> 01:07:10,879
reviewing the dockets but I

1994
01:07:10,879 --> 01:07:13,181
think in the with with what you

1995
01:07:13,181 --> 01:07:16,685
just said I, I agree with that

1996
01:07:16,685 --> 01:07:18,587
because that will release any

1997
01:07:18,587 --> 01:07:20,210
tensions between the our

1998
01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:21,723
offices you know the 13

1999
01:07:21,723 --> 01:07:24,192
council is you know I have 13

2000
01:07:24,192 --> 01:07:26,261
bosses so over the years and I

2001
01:07:26,261 --> 01:07:28,163
come to this job as an open as

2002
01:07:28,163 --> 01:07:29,831
with an open mind every single

2003
01:07:29,831 --> 01:07:31,701
day because at the end of the

2004
01:07:31,701 --> 01:07:32,701
day it's we like

2005
01:07:32,701 --> 01:07:34,569
councilor flynn said you know

2006
01:07:34,569 --> 01:07:36,380
we're here to to move the

2007
01:07:36,380 --> 01:07:37,706
people's business forward and

2008
01:07:37,706 --> 01:07:39,808
and work for the citizens

2009
01:07:39,808 --> 01:07:41,643
of boston and for me it doesn't

2010
01:07:41,643 --> 01:07:43,745
matter what side of the

2011
01:07:43,745 --> 01:07:45,614
political spectrum a

2012
01:07:45,614 --> 01:07:47,883
councilor is for me it's

2013
01:07:47,883 --> 01:07:49,785
reading the order determining

2014
01:07:49,785 --> 01:07:52,540
if it's a duplicate,

2015
01:07:52,540 --> 01:07:53,922
determining what the outcome uh

2016
01:07:53,922 --> 01:07:54,589
,is the intended outcome

2017
01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:56,989
of the order is.

2018
01:07:57,225 --> 01:07:59,161
So I've always taken that open

2019
01:07:59,161 --> 01:07:59,594
mind approach and will continue

2020
01:07:59,594 --> 01:08:00,595
to do that.

2021
01:08:00,595 --> 01:08:02,995
And I think that.

2022
01:08:06,601 --> 01:08:08,601
Thank you.

2023
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:11,710
>> because you.

2024
01:08:14,542 --> 01:08:15,111
>> thank you thank you,

2025
01:08:15,111 --> 01:08:17,111
councilor culpepper.

2026
01:08:20,181 --> 01:08:22,510
Um, let me see I I know that we

2027
01:08:22,510 --> 01:08:23,752
we changed the rules back to

2028
01:08:23,752 --> 01:08:25,220
having you mean the sole

2029
01:08:25,220 --> 01:08:27,689
arbiter um, when we did the

2030
01:08:27,689 --> 01:08:29,491
changes for 20 2627

2031
01:08:29,491 --> 01:08:31,593
council session, uh, we

2032
01:08:31,593 --> 01:08:34,593
rephrased for flaherty, uh, and

2033
01:08:34,696 --> 01:08:36,364
how specify the intent of the

2034
01:08:36,364 --> 01:08:38,834
rule and to clarify that you

2035
01:08:38,834 --> 01:08:40,736
were, uh, the decision maker

2036
01:08:40,736 --> 01:08:42,300
and I did also attempted to

2037
01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:43,505
clarify what should and should

2038
01:08:43,505 --> 01:08:45,905
not be considered duplicative.

2039
01:08:46,341 --> 01:08:48,810
I think also the the decision

2040
01:08:48,810 --> 01:08:51,313
that we made as a as a body

2041
01:08:51,313 --> 01:08:53,181
when we changed the rules uh,

2042
01:08:53,181 --> 01:08:56,284
in in at the beginning of the

2043
01:08:56,284 --> 01:08:57,520
year adding the sentence um

2044
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,821
prescribing that when rule 15

2045
01:08:59,821 --> 01:09:02,724
should not be invoked filings

2046
01:09:02,724 --> 01:09:04,593
whose content is on a different

2047
01:09:04,593 --> 01:09:07,897
sub target topic or a sub topic

2048
01:09:07,897 --> 01:09:10,365
not specified or that that

2049
01:09:10,365 --> 01:09:11,867
should not have reasonably been

2050
01:09:11,867 --> 01:09:13,935
expected to be covered by the

2051
01:09:13,935 --> 01:09:15,837
previous filing or topics on

2052
01:09:15,837 --> 01:09:18,106
topic finding some topics for

2053
01:09:18,106 --> 01:09:19,774
which content has evolved since

2054
01:09:19,774 --> 01:09:21,843
the previous filing because

2055
01:09:21,843 --> 01:09:23,311
things change in the world um

2056
01:09:23,311 --> 01:09:25,180
so long as the hearing or

2057
01:09:25,180 --> 01:09:26,648
debate on the new filing would

2058
01:09:26,648 --> 01:09:28,951
not result in the same hearing

2059
01:09:28,951 --> 01:09:30,619
or same debate that would

2060
01:09:30,619 --> 01:09:32,287
otherwise have been under the

2061
01:09:32,287 --> 01:09:34,550
previous filing, I think it's

2062
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:35,357
the sole purpose of um you

2063
01:09:35,357 --> 01:09:36,224
know, we should try and keep it

2064
01:09:36,224 --> 01:09:37,492
streamlined that we're not

2065
01:09:37,492 --> 01:09:39,492
having duplicative hearings.

2066
01:09:41,764 --> 01:09:43,310
Um, and to um, you know, so a

2067
01:09:43,310 --> 01:09:45,300
hearing order for an update on

2068
01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:46,801
a topic matter or a matter that

2069
01:09:46,801 --> 01:09:48,270
has already had a hearing is

2070
01:09:48,270 --> 01:09:50,670
now no longer considered

2071
01:09:51,373 --> 01:09:52,640
duplicate if if the landscape

2072
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,509
was changed and there's a

2073
01:09:54,509 --> 01:09:55,176
timely reason to have an update

2074
01:09:55,176 --> 01:09:57,176
on that topic.

2075
01:09:57,212 --> 01:09:58,881
So I think those are good

2076
01:09:58,881 --> 01:10:00,782
improvements I think and in

2077
01:10:00,782 --> 01:10:02,251
terms of are there other

2078
01:10:02,251 --> 01:10:03,285
categories of filings laguna we

2079
01:10:03,285 --> 01:10:05,285
have hearing orders.

2080
01:10:05,954 --> 01:10:08,223
We have uh resolutions are

2081
01:10:08,223 --> 01:10:11,223
there categories where the rule

2082
01:10:11,526 --> 01:10:13,194
15 rule should be the 15 should

2083
01:10:13,194 --> 01:10:14,496
be applied differently like is

2084
01:10:14,496 --> 01:10:16,364
this a different weight to it

2085
01:10:16,364 --> 01:10:17,320
if it's a hearing versus a

2086
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,320
resolution or whatever?

2087
01:10:19,467 --> 01:10:21,536
Uh I've always treated them

2088
01:10:21,536 --> 01:10:23,400
both the same in terms

2089
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,706
of reading them and determining

2090
01:10:24,706 --> 01:10:27,342
if they are duplicative or not.

2091
01:10:27,342 --> 01:10:29,110
Uh, if enough words come out

2092
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:30,712
that are the same or similar

2093
01:10:30,712 --> 01:10:32,581
and the outcome is the same,

2094
01:10:32,581 --> 01:10:32,847
then I would consider that a

2095
01:10:32,847 --> 01:10:34,847
duplicate.

2096
01:10:35,851 --> 01:10:38,754
But however there could be

2097
01:10:38,754 --> 01:10:40,221
instances where there are

2098
01:10:40,221 --> 01:10:41,890
situations where it differs a

2099
01:10:41,890 --> 01:10:42,357
bit and the outcome is

2100
01:10:42,357 --> 01:10:44,159
different.

2101
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:46,862
So if it's an order or if it's

2102
01:10:46,862 --> 01:10:48,930
a resolution uh, if it's an

2103
01:10:48,930 --> 01:10:50,432
order for one uh issue and the

2104
01:10:50,432 --> 01:10:51,466
resolution is on the same issue

2105
01:10:51,466 --> 01:10:53,368
then that's those are two

2106
01:10:53,368 --> 01:10:54,202
different things one's an auto

2107
01:10:54,202 --> 01:10:56,202
one's a resolution.

2108
01:10:57,672 --> 01:10:59,107
So I wouldn't rule 15 those.

2109
01:10:59,107 --> 01:11:01,107
Okay thank you.

2110
01:11:02,143 --> 01:11:03,612
And does the current language

2111
01:11:03,612 --> 01:11:05,800
give you enough flaherty and

2112
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:06,548
enough guidance like it's it's

2113
01:11:06,548 --> 01:11:07,615
I think it's trying to fight I

2114
01:11:07,615 --> 01:11:09,840
think it has improved but

2115
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:10,752
doesn't give you enough enough

2116
01:11:10,752 --> 01:11:12,421
flaherty and enough guidance to

2117
01:11:12,421 --> 01:11:12,787
to make consistent

2118
01:11:12,787 --> 01:11:14,622
determinations.

2119
01:11:14,622 --> 01:11:15,891
I know I think what I'm hearing

2120
01:11:15,891 --> 01:11:17,359
from you is the biggest factor

2121
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:19,227
is actually the time time I'd

2122
01:11:19,227 --> 01:11:20,862
like to review the prop um.

2123
01:11:20,862 --> 01:11:24,165
The timing is the issue for

2124
01:11:24,165 --> 01:11:25,634
me and you know if I I have to

2125
01:11:25,634 --> 01:11:27,502
go through these things quickly

2126
01:11:27,502 --> 01:11:30,502
and sometimes doing by doing

2127
01:11:31,390 --> 01:11:31,906
that you know, I could MISS The

2128
01:11:31,906 --> 01:11:33,975
interpretation by doing it

2129
01:11:33,975 --> 01:11:34,409
quickly uh, of a particular

2130
01:11:34,409 --> 01:11:36,409
order.

2131
01:11:36,845 --> 01:11:38,546
But again I have to follow the

2132
01:11:38,546 --> 01:11:39,781
uh, open meeting law and I have

2133
01:11:39,781 --> 01:11:42,181
to post everything by 12.

2134
01:11:42,451 --> 01:11:45,451
Uh, so when everything gets

2135
01:11:46,955 --> 01:11:49,570
posted uh, the the amount

2136
01:11:49,570 --> 01:11:50,925
of filings has significantly

2137
01:11:50,925 --> 01:11:51,359
increased in the last couple

2138
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:53,194
of years.

2139
01:11:53,194 --> 01:11:55,864
So that makes our jobs a little

2140
01:11:55,864 --> 01:11:57,332
bit more difficult and tedious

2141
01:11:57,332 --> 01:11:59,332
and processing everything.

2142
01:11:59,601 --> 01:12:01,870
But I mean we get it done and

2143
01:12:01,870 --> 01:12:04,105
it's uh posted at 12 noon.

2144
01:12:04,105 --> 01:12:05,707
Uh, like I said, there was a

2145
01:12:05,707 --> 01:12:08,777
meeting where I had like 3 or 4

2146
01:12:08,777 --> 01:12:10,612
rule 15 possible rule 15 items.

2147
01:12:10,612 --> 01:12:12,681
So we have to review each one

2148
01:12:12,681 --> 01:12:15,383
and then contact the counselor

2149
01:12:15,383 --> 01:12:17,452
for each for each order so that

2150
01:12:17,452 --> 01:12:17,919
we try to do that as quickly as

2151
01:12:17,919 --> 01:12:19,687
possible.

2152
01:12:19,687 --> 01:12:20,355
So you don't have a lot of time

2153
01:12:20,355 --> 01:12:22,355
for a turnaround.

2154
01:12:22,991 --> 01:12:24,659
Now the other question I had is

2155
01:12:24,659 --> 01:12:25,960
and this is generally in the

2156
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,229
rules, it used to be that you

2157
01:12:27,229 --> 01:12:27,896
had to make your filings on

2158
01:12:27,896 --> 01:12:29,731
friday afternoon.

2159
01:12:29,731 --> 01:12:31,800
The deadline for filings was

2160
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:32,330
friday afternoon and I would

2161
01:12:32,330 --> 01:12:32,467
please.

2162
01:12:32,467 --> 01:12:33,334
Change the.

2163
01:12:33,334 --> 01:12:34,936
>> what is it?

2164
01:12:34,936 --> 01:12:35,737
I don't even remember if we

2165
01:12:35,737 --> 01:12:36,738
ever had done that.

2166
01:12:36,738 --> 01:12:38,406
Yeah.

2167
01:12:38,406 --> 01:12:40,275
>> um but I have suggested that

2168
01:12:40,275 --> 01:12:42,544
we do that in a memo that I

2169
01:12:42,544 --> 01:12:44,412
sent out last year regarding

2170
01:12:44,412 --> 01:12:46,810
filings because a lot of them

2171
01:12:46,810 --> 01:12:47,549
like I said, a lot

2172
01:12:47,549 --> 01:12:49,949
of counselors file everything

2173
01:12:50,251 --> 01:12:50,519
like a quarter or ten on monday

2174
01:12:50,519 --> 01:12:52,519
morning.

2175
01:12:52,954 --> 01:12:54,622
I did have made the suggestion

2176
01:12:54,622 --> 01:12:57,125
that we could councils could

2177
01:12:57,125 --> 01:12:57,559
file things starting at 4:00 on

2178
01:12:57,559 --> 01:12:59,394
friday.

2179
01:12:59,394 --> 01:13:01,362
Because we did that.

2180
01:13:01,362 --> 01:13:03,631
>> but during covid yeah we did

2181
01:13:03,631 --> 01:13:05,500
that and during covid but if we

2182
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:08,203
if council file things on

2183
01:13:08,203 --> 01:13:08,871
friday at least uh we have some

2184
01:13:08,871 --> 01:13:10,871
time in.

2185
01:13:11,706 --> 01:13:14,800
On monday morning not it

2186
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,277
starting at ten but when staff

2187
01:13:16,277 --> 01:13:18,780
gets in at 830 they have access

2188
01:13:18,780 --> 01:13:20,150
to all the dockets earlier than

2189
01:13:20,150 --> 01:13:21,549
at 10:00.

2190
01:13:21,549 --> 01:13:23,384
So that would make life.

2191
01:13:23,384 --> 01:13:25,487
Easier and make life easier in

2192
01:13:25,487 --> 01:13:25,887
terms of rule 15 yes.

2193
01:13:25,887 --> 01:13:27,220
Yeah.

2194
01:13:27,220 --> 01:13:27,489
>> especially given the

2195
01:13:27,489 --> 01:13:27,889
increased volume.

2196
01:13:27,889 --> 01:13:28,523
Yeah.

2197
01:13:28,523 --> 01:13:29,524
>> okay.

2198
01:13:29,524 --> 01:13:31,524
>> um.

2199
01:13:33,194 --> 01:13:34,662
>> that's all I know my time

2200
01:13:34,662 --> 01:13:36,465
i'm just watching watching it

2201
01:13:36,465 --> 01:13:36,698
but um, councilor murphy, would

2202
01:13:36,698 --> 01:13:38,133
you.

2203
01:13:38,133 --> 01:13:39,801
Yeah I'm going to give you

2204
01:13:39,801 --> 01:13:40,680
another um another four

2205
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:40,869
minutes.

2206
01:13:40,869 --> 01:13:41,870
Thank you.

2207
01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:43,870
Um.

2208
01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:47,800
>> thank you to my colleagues

2209
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,430
who are here in the state.

2210
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:51,112
I don't think it's productive

2211
01:13:51,112 --> 01:13:52,380
if we make accusations and walk

2212
01:13:52,380 --> 01:13:54,682
away, especially because these

2213
01:13:54,682 --> 01:13:56,184
are filings we're referring to

2214
01:13:56,184 --> 01:13:57,652
that were about women's history

2215
01:13:57,652 --> 01:13:59,121
and I don't think there ever

2216
01:13:59,121 --> 01:14:00,588
can be too many filings where

2217
01:14:00,588 --> 01:14:02,891
we're advocating and uplifting

2218
01:14:02,891 --> 01:14:04,891
women, especially in 2026.

2219
01:14:05,326 --> 01:14:06,995
I do just want to be clear and

2220
01:14:06,995 --> 01:14:08,463
then ask for your opinion again

2221
01:14:08,463 --> 01:14:10,565
even though I know I got it way

2222
01:14:10,565 --> 01:14:11,432
back in FEBRUARY when you made

2223
01:14:11,432 --> 01:14:13,832
a call to me.

2224
01:14:15,703 --> 01:14:17,172
So I filed a resolution

2225
01:14:17,172 --> 01:14:19,410
recognizing MARCH as women's

2226
01:14:19,410 --> 01:14:21,342
history month and as the chair

2227
01:14:21,342 --> 01:14:21,610
of strong women families in

2228
01:14:21,610 --> 01:14:23,610
community.

2229
01:14:24,245 --> 01:14:25,313
Um was also tying it into a

2230
01:14:25,313 --> 01:14:26,781
celebration we were going to

2231
01:14:26,781 --> 01:14:28,683
have and my title was

2232
01:14:28,683 --> 01:14:30,151
resolution recognizing MARCH is

2233
01:14:30,151 --> 01:14:32,551
women's history month talked

2234
01:14:32,821 --> 01:14:34,689
about the contributions women

2235
01:14:34,689 --> 01:14:36,791
have made in the city of boston

2236
01:14:36,791 --> 01:14:38,259
and meanwhile meaningful

2237
01:14:38,259 --> 01:14:38,693
progress has been made blah

2238
01:14:38,693 --> 01:14:39,928
blah blah.

2239
01:14:39,928 --> 01:14:42,597
We should continue to support

2240
01:14:42,597 --> 01:14:44,499
and advocate in my now there be

2241
01:14:44,499 --> 01:14:45,967
for it which is what you say

2242
01:14:45,967 --> 01:14:48,369
you go to that clause said that

2243
01:14:48,369 --> 01:14:49,237
the boston city council hereby

2244
01:14:49,237 --> 01:14:51,306
recognize MARCH is women's

2245
01:14:51,306 --> 01:14:52,174
history month and honors the

2246
01:14:52,174 --> 01:14:54,174
contributions, leadership and

2247
01:14:54,442 --> 01:14:54,709
achievements of women in boston

2248
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:56,709
.

2249
01:14:57,145 --> 01:14:58,413
The other hearing that was

2250
01:14:58,413 --> 01:15:00,315
filed which I was supporting

2251
01:15:00,315 --> 01:15:02,383
and signing on and thought both

2252
01:15:02,383 --> 01:15:05,860
should be brought forward had a

2253
01:15:05,860 --> 01:15:06,554
different focus which I know

2254
01:15:06,554 --> 01:15:09,224
when we talked to agreed is why

2255
01:15:09,224 --> 01:15:10,725
you kept both on a resolution

2256
01:15:10,725 --> 01:15:11,993
recognizing women's history and

2257
01:15:11,993 --> 01:15:13,610
reaffirming boston's commitment

2258
01:15:13,610 --> 01:15:15,610
to women's rights.

2259
01:15:15,497 --> 01:15:17,765
One of the whereas is was

2260
01:15:17,765 --> 01:15:19,233
focusing on recent federal

2261
01:15:19,233 --> 01:15:20,501
actions and judicial decisions

2262
01:15:20,501 --> 01:15:22,203
have weakened protections

2263
01:15:22,203 --> 01:15:23,872
related to reproductive health

2264
01:15:23,872 --> 01:15:25,373
care, workplace rights, civil

2265
01:15:25,373 --> 01:15:27,142
rights enforcement and gender

2266
01:15:27,142 --> 01:15:28,409
based discrimination, placing

2267
01:15:28,409 --> 01:15:29,277
women's health autonomy and

2268
01:15:29,277 --> 01:15:31,277
safety at risk.

2269
01:15:31,913 --> 01:15:33,115
These federal rollbacks

2270
01:15:33,115 --> 01:15:34,783
disproportionately harm women

2271
01:15:34,783 --> 01:15:36,484
of color low income women,

2272
01:15:36,484 --> 01:15:37,919
immigrant women, lgbtq plus

2273
01:15:37,919 --> 01:15:39,187
women and women with

2274
01:15:39,187 --> 01:15:41,187
disabilities compounding

2275
01:15:41,890 --> 01:15:43,558
existing inequities within our

2276
01:15:43,558 --> 01:15:44,625
communities all agree with that

2277
01:15:44,625 --> 01:15:45,893
this moment demands renewed

2278
01:15:45,893 --> 01:15:48,196
local leadership to affirm that

2279
01:15:48,196 --> 01:15:49,864
women's rights are human rights

2280
01:15:49,864 --> 01:15:52,734
and that we as a city will

2281
01:15:52,734 --> 01:15:54,350
remain strong to defend the

2282
01:15:54,350 --> 01:15:55,837
dignity and equity and that the

2283
01:15:55,837 --> 01:15:57,105
boston city council hereby

2284
01:15:57,105 --> 01:15:58,973
recognizes marches women's

2285
01:15:58,973 --> 01:16:00,441
history month and reaffirms

2286
01:16:00,441 --> 01:16:01,509
boston's commitment to

2287
01:16:01,509 --> 01:16:03,211
advancing gender equity and

2288
01:16:03,211 --> 01:16:04,445
protecting women's rights,

2289
01:16:04,445 --> 01:16:05,914
particularly at a time when

2290
01:16:05,914 --> 01:16:07,782
federal actions threaten long

2291
01:16:07,782 --> 01:16:09,830
standing civil and human rights

2292
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:09,317
protection at the federal level

2293
01:16:09,317 --> 01:16:11,317
.

2294
01:16:11,753 --> 01:16:13,488
Do you still agree?

2295
01:16:13,488 --> 01:16:15,590
And I know I spoke to you,

2296
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:16,624
michelle about this and as

2297
01:16:16,624 --> 01:16:16,891
panelists I would like your

2298
01:16:16,891 --> 01:16:18,526
opinion.

2299
01:16:18,526 --> 01:16:20,396
Now do you agree that those are

2300
01:16:20,396 --> 01:16:22,796
two separate resolutions that

2301
01:16:23,498 --> 01:16:25,366
should have stayed on the

2302
01:16:25,366 --> 01:16:27,869
agenda and voted both on at

2303
01:16:27,869 --> 01:16:30,738
that hearing based on their

2304
01:16:30,738 --> 01:16:33,241
content after kind of re going

2305
01:16:33,241 --> 01:16:34,709
through what would constitute

2306
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:35,476
and it wasn't pulled you kept

2307
01:16:35,476 --> 01:16:35,878
it on because you.

2308
01:16:35,878 --> 01:16:37,878
Agreed that.

2309
01:16:38,646 --> 01:16:40,515
>> do you still well when uh

2310
01:16:40,515 --> 01:16:42,784
the the rule 15 issue I

2311
01:16:42,784 --> 01:16:44,886
contacted you and uh but you

2312
01:16:44,886 --> 01:16:48,189
and you did change the the the

2313
01:16:48,189 --> 01:16:49,424
language so for me you know I

2314
01:16:49,424 --> 01:16:51,526
reread it afterwards and

2315
01:16:51,526 --> 01:16:52,693
determined that it wasn't an

2316
01:16:52,693 --> 01:16:54,128
exact duplicate and.

2317
01:16:54,128 --> 01:16:56,310
>> just to be clear to the

2318
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:57,980
public to when we change the

2319
01:16:57,980 --> 01:16:58,566
language it's before anyone

2320
01:16:58,566 --> 01:16:58,833
even sees it and my colleagues

2321
01:16:58,833 --> 01:17:00,635
either.

2322
01:17:00,635 --> 01:17:02,136
So no one had seen the original

2323
01:17:02,136 --> 01:17:03,604
even though the original was

2324
01:17:03,604 --> 01:17:05,730
pretty similar and I did think

2325
01:17:05,730 --> 01:17:06,941
that that one which was a

2326
01:17:06,941 --> 01:17:08,509
strong important resolution and

2327
01:17:08,509 --> 01:17:10,909
I was wholeheartedly supporting

2328
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,481
that one also that I did make a

2329
01:17:12,481 --> 01:17:14,582
few tweaks just to be very

2330
01:17:14,582 --> 01:17:16,510
clear, but mine was in no way

2331
01:17:16,510 --> 01:17:16,284
referencing federal or other

2332
01:17:16,284 --> 01:17:16,751
issues.

2333
01:17:16,751 --> 01:17:18,520
>> right.

2334
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:19,621
You know well, you know.

2335
01:17:19,621 --> 01:17:19,954
>> just to be safe like you

2336
01:17:19,954 --> 01:17:21,823
said working.

2337
01:17:21,823 --> 01:17:22,591
Collegiately together to just

2338
01:17:22,591 --> 01:17:23,891
make sure that there.

2339
01:17:23,891 --> 01:17:25,761
Was no well this is another

2340
01:17:25,761 --> 01:17:28,960
example of, you know, uh,

2341
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:29,331
calling the counselor and

2342
01:17:29,331 --> 01:17:31,432
describing what the duplication

2343
01:17:31,432 --> 01:17:34,432
is and then the counselor

2344
01:17:34,535 --> 01:17:35,971
agreed to, you know, uh, edit

2345
01:17:35,971 --> 01:17:37,971
her original version.

2346
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,708
So once that happens and the

2347
01:17:40,708 --> 01:17:43,144
the determination of the right.

2348
01:17:43,144 --> 01:17:43,378
But then at the meeting it was

2349
01:17:43,378 --> 01:17:44,412
then.

2350
01:17:44,412 --> 01:17:45,460
thrown out.

2351
01:17:45,460 --> 01:17:47,460
>> yeah.

2352
01:17:47,682 --> 01:17:50,351
So and I also remember going to

2353
01:17:50,351 --> 01:17:53,540
you michelle it was upsetting

2354
01:17:53,540 --> 01:17:55,957
after lots of other things like

2355
01:17:55,957 --> 01:17:57,225
blocking um late files which I

2356
01:17:57,225 --> 01:17:59,930
do think I need a few more

2357
01:17:59,930 --> 01:18:01,596
seconds to address that because

2358
01:18:01,596 --> 01:18:03,650
if we do have a deadline

2359
01:18:03,650 --> 01:18:04,132
of friday a floor so much does

2360
01:18:04,132 --> 01:18:05,800
happen on friday night

2361
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,680
saturday, sunday, monday I know

2362
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:08,570
I've spoken at length with you

2363
01:18:08,570 --> 01:18:09,637
about that michelle that yes we

2364
01:18:09,637 --> 01:18:11,506
should get in the habit

2365
01:18:11,506 --> 01:18:12,373
of things that can get in as

2366
01:18:12,373 --> 01:18:14,800
early as they can.

2367
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,477
We should get them in but if

2368
01:18:16,477 --> 01:18:18,379
we're putting a friday deadline

2369
01:18:18,379 --> 01:18:19,847
then there will be more late

2370
01:18:19,847 --> 01:18:20,581
files because lots of important

2371
01:18:20,581 --> 01:18:22,217
things do come up.

2372
01:18:22,217 --> 01:18:23,918
Over the weekend that will need

2373
01:18:23,918 --> 01:18:26,354
to be on the agenda.

2374
01:18:26,354 --> 01:18:28,656
But at that hearing at that

2375
01:18:28,656 --> 01:18:30,925
meeting also when we talk about

2376
01:18:30,925 --> 01:18:33,194
what are our supports and

2377
01:18:33,194 --> 01:18:35,797
abilities in the time there was

2378
01:18:35,797 --> 01:18:36,464
the council attorneys were not

2379
01:18:36,464 --> 01:18:37,398
in the chamber.

2380
01:18:37,398 --> 01:18:37,865
Do you remember that

2381
01:18:37,865 --> 01:18:39,865
conversation michelle?

2382
01:18:39,867 --> 01:18:40,935
And when I asked for a recess

2383
01:18:40,935 --> 01:18:42,571
it was denied.

2384
01:18:42,571 --> 01:18:43,604
Then it was pushed and then

2385
01:18:43,604 --> 01:18:44,272
colleagues voted to just shoot

2386
01:18:44,272 --> 01:18:46,272
it down.

2387
01:18:47,108 --> 01:18:48,175
I did say well if we're not

2388
01:18:48,175 --> 01:18:49,844
referring to the clerk and

2389
01:18:49,844 --> 01:18:51,512
using the rule that says he has

2390
01:18:51,512 --> 01:18:52,613
the final power and I didn't

2391
01:18:52,613 --> 01:18:54,482
agree with the PRESIDENT, I

2392
01:18:54,482 --> 01:18:56,484
didn't have access to what I

2393
01:18:56,484 --> 01:18:58,953
read and if you could just

2394
01:18:58,953 --> 01:19:00,555
speak through what the

2395
01:19:00,555 --> 01:19:01,522
council attorney during the

2396
01:19:01,522 --> 01:19:03,224
council meeting support and

2397
01:19:03,224 --> 01:19:03,457
role is just so that we're

2398
01:19:03,457 --> 01:19:03,859
clear.

2399
01:19:03,859 --> 01:19:04,959
Yeah.

2400
01:19:04,959 --> 01:19:05,994
what that is for us.

2401
01:19:05,994 --> 01:19:07,829
No definitely.

2402
01:19:07,829 --> 01:19:09,163
And you know, um I did.

2403
01:19:09,163 --> 01:19:10,464
You know.

2404
01:19:10,464 --> 01:19:11,532
>> we've talked about this

2405
01:19:11,532 --> 01:19:12,600
multiple times and I appreciate

2406
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,680
you having brought that to

2407
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,171
me and I hope it's noticeable

2408
01:19:16,171 --> 01:19:17,205
that we have been absolutely

2409
01:19:17,205 --> 01:19:18,272
making sure to have more

2410
01:19:18,272 --> 01:19:19,541
coverage in the chamber during

2411
01:19:19,541 --> 01:19:21,776
meetings for that exact reason.

2412
01:19:21,776 --> 01:19:24,278
Um, so that if councilors have

2413
01:19:24,278 --> 01:19:26,147
a question during the meeting

2414
01:19:26,147 --> 01:19:27,215
that's on procedure or anything

2415
01:19:27,215 --> 01:19:29,317
else, it doesn't necessarily

2416
01:19:29,317 --> 01:19:30,418
have to be something that they

2417
01:19:30,418 --> 01:19:31,385
have to bring up as a point

2418
01:19:31,385 --> 01:19:31,920
of order point of information

2419
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:33,754
or you know.

2420
01:19:33,754 --> 01:19:35,223
A question that they raise to

2421
01:19:35,223 --> 01:19:36,490
the PRESIDENT Or to the clerk

2422
01:19:36,490 --> 01:19:38,526
through a formal channel.

2423
01:19:38,526 --> 01:19:40,194
They can come to us on the side

2424
01:19:40,194 --> 01:19:41,663
and we can help advise what the

2425
01:19:41,663 --> 01:19:43,131
best next steps would be to

2426
01:19:43,131 --> 01:19:43,998
address whatever the procedural

2427
01:19:43,998 --> 01:19:45,132
issue is.

2428
01:19:45,132 --> 01:19:47,132
Thank you.

2429
01:19:47,969 --> 01:19:48,269
>> my time is up again but not

2430
01:19:48,269 --> 01:19:50,171
thank you.

2431
01:19:50,171 --> 01:19:50,705
Thank you, councilor murphy.

2432
01:19:50,705 --> 01:19:51,906
Okay sir.

2433
01:19:51,906 --> 01:19:54,410
Sorry you he's one.

2434
01:19:54,410 --> 01:19:56,410
We're both irish.

2435
01:19:57,912 --> 01:19:59,647
>> this is not culinary.

2436
01:19:59,647 --> 01:20:00,481
Councilor flynn.

2437
01:20:00,481 --> 01:20:01,820
Off you go.

2438
01:20:01,820 --> 01:20:03,820
Um, that.

2439
01:20:03,951 --> 01:20:06,351
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

2440
01:20:06,387 --> 01:20:08,456
Again want to say thank you to

2441
01:20:08,456 --> 01:20:09,457
alex and to michelle?

2442
01:20:09,457 --> 01:20:11,526
I had an opportunity to.

2443
01:20:11,526 --> 01:20:13,761
>> work with both for.

2444
01:20:13,761 --> 01:20:16,761
Almost nine years and both.

2445
01:20:17,310 --> 01:20:17,498
Outstanding and dedicated city

2446
01:20:17,498 --> 01:20:19,498
employees.

2447
01:20:21,569 --> 01:20:22,436
What I what I wanted to

2448
01:20:22,436 --> 01:20:23,871
highlight I.

2449
01:20:23,871 --> 01:20:24,672
Referenced it somewhat.

2450
01:20:24,672 --> 01:20:25,439
>> in my comments.

2451
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,439
And questioning.

2452
01:20:28,309 --> 01:20:28,542
I do think we are able to move

2453
01:20:28,542 --> 01:20:30,377
.

2454
01:20:30,377 --> 01:20:31,412
Forward on this issue.

2455
01:20:31,412 --> 01:20:33,412
In other issues.

2456
01:20:34,649 --> 01:20:35,216
I do think it's about

2457
01:20:35,216 --> 01:20:37,216
respecting each other.

2458
01:20:37,652 --> 01:20:40,210
And listening to each other.

2459
01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:42,210
And understanding.

2460
01:20:42,256 --> 01:20:44,656
Each other or compromising

2461
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:47,559
especially when you disagree

2462
01:20:48,263 --> 01:20:50,164
with the person on policy but

2463
01:20:50,164 --> 01:20:51,566
you know the person is right.

2464
01:20:51,566 --> 01:20:53,401
In terms of the role.

2465
01:20:53,401 --> 01:20:55,401
I think that's.

2466
01:20:55,436 --> 01:20:58,436
Where we have to be.

2467
01:20:58,606 --> 01:21:00,606
More understanding, more

2468
01:21:00,875 --> 01:21:01,142
considerate, more compassionate

2469
01:21:01,142 --> 01:21:03,142
is.

2470
01:21:04,378 --> 01:21:05,713
Try to be a better colleague.

2471
01:21:05,713 --> 01:21:07,181
I think if we're a better

2472
01:21:07,181 --> 01:21:07,649
colleague we can make

2473
01:21:07,649 --> 01:21:09,649
significant.

2474
01:21:10,885 --> 01:21:11,752
Progress in roles and I think

2475
01:21:11,752 --> 01:21:13,187
at times.

2476
01:21:13,187 --> 01:21:14,789
Without being.

2477
01:21:14,789 --> 01:21:15,856
Negative because I because I

2478
01:21:15,856 --> 01:21:16,357
don't want to be negative

2479
01:21:16,357 --> 01:21:16,857
during this meeting.

2480
01:21:16,857 --> 01:21:18,693
But I.

2481
01:21:18,693 --> 01:21:21,195
Do think if we work together

2482
01:21:21,195 --> 01:21:22,290
and respect each other we can

2483
01:21:22,290 --> 01:21:24,290
accomplish a lot.

2484
01:21:24,650 --> 01:21:24,699
We can follow the rules.

2485
01:21:24,699 --> 01:21:26,699
We can.

2486
01:21:27,568 --> 01:21:29,968
Do the people's work.

2487
01:21:33,274 --> 01:21:34,942
But even when we disagree and

2488
01:21:34,942 --> 01:21:35,510
we respect each other we still

2489
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:36,744
can get.

2490
01:21:36,744 --> 01:21:38,579
>> a lot of work done.

2491
01:21:38,579 --> 01:21:41,415
And that's really my point.

2492
01:21:41,415 --> 01:21:41,682
As it relates to the city

2493
01:21:41,682 --> 01:21:42,683
council.

2494
01:21:42,683 --> 01:21:44,683
Rules is.

2495
01:21:44,952 --> 01:21:47,352
Ensuring that city councils

2496
01:21:47,822 --> 01:21:48,155
treat each other cordially,

2497
01:21:48,155 --> 01:21:50,155
respectfully.

2498
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:52,793
Understand each other and

2499
01:21:52,793 --> 01:21:54,793
sometimes.

2500
01:21:55,290 --> 01:21:55,663
including myself withholding.

2501
01:21:55,663 --> 01:21:57,663
Comments about.

2502
01:21:58,899 --> 01:21:59,166
Colleagues that you do want to

2503
01:21:59,166 --> 01:22:01,166
criticize.

2504
01:22:02,203 --> 01:22:02,637
But sometimes the criticism

2505
01:22:02,637 --> 01:22:04,710
doesn't.

2506
01:22:04,710 --> 01:22:06,710
Help the.

2507
01:22:07,308 --> 01:22:07,575
Body and it doesn't help the

2508
01:22:07,575 --> 01:22:08,576
city.

2509
01:22:08,576 --> 01:22:10,745
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

2510
01:22:10,745 --> 01:22:12,246
Thank you, councilor flynn.

2511
01:22:12,246 --> 01:22:14,246
Um councilor fitzgerald.

2512
01:22:14,515 --> 01:22:15,916
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

2513
01:22:15,916 --> 01:22:16,717
No, I don't have any further

2514
01:22:16,717 --> 01:22:17,918
questions here to learn.

2515
01:22:17,918 --> 01:22:18,286
Thank you so much and again

2516
01:22:18,286 --> 01:22:19,253
thank you.

2517
01:22:19,253 --> 01:22:20,154
Um the staff thank.

2518
01:22:20,154 --> 01:22:21,589
You, councilor weber.

2519
01:22:21,589 --> 01:22:23,240
Yeah.

2520
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,459
>> uh, thank you very much.

2521
01:22:25,459 --> 01:22:26,727
Uh, I'm just happy to, uh,

2522
01:22:26,727 --> 01:22:27,796
attend and hear what my

2523
01:22:27,796 --> 01:22:29,263
colleagues have to say and

2524
01:22:29,263 --> 01:22:30,564
thank you for the panel for

2525
01:22:30,564 --> 01:22:30,998
their thoughtful answers.

2526
01:22:30,998 --> 01:22:31,999
Thanks, chair.

2527
01:22:31,999 --> 01:22:33,999
Thank you.

2528
01:22:34,135 --> 01:22:36,370
Um, councilor cope everett.

2529
01:22:36,370 --> 01:22:39,240
Yeah, I did have an additional

2530
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:39,507
question regarding the

2531
01:22:39,507 --> 01:22:41,507
decision.

2532
01:22:42,543 --> 01:22:45,846
And so when you make a decision

2533
01:22:45,846 --> 01:22:47,748
,mr clare, it is somewhere

2534
01:22:47,748 --> 01:22:50,251
where you record that decision

2535
01:22:50,251 --> 01:22:51,952
or document that decision just

2536
01:22:51,952 --> 01:22:54,222
in case it's something that

2537
01:22:54,222 --> 01:22:57,570
comes up in the future.

2538
01:22:57,570 --> 01:22:57,491
Well, uh, actually.

2539
01:22:57,491 --> 01:22:59,260
>> I.

2540
01:22:59,260 --> 01:23:01,950
Do we I created a folder this.

2541
01:23:01,950 --> 01:23:01,562
>> year for 2026 because.

2542
01:23:01,562 --> 01:23:03,562
>> we've.

2543
01:23:04,632 --> 01:23:07,632
Had you know, 16 rule 15 items.

2544
01:23:08,903 --> 01:23:11,372
So now we keep I keep uh the

2545
01:23:11,372 --> 01:23:12,773
dockets in this folder to to go

2546
01:23:12,773 --> 01:23:13,341
back and review them if I need

2547
01:23:13,341 --> 01:23:15,741
them in and to.

2548
01:23:17,811 --> 01:23:19,800
To document the reason why or

2549
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:19,380
provide an explanation

2550
01:23:19,380 --> 01:23:21,380
of writing.

2551
01:23:22,150 --> 01:23:24,451
So if you need to go back or if

2552
01:23:24,451 --> 01:23:26,921
a councilor had a question

2553
01:23:26,921 --> 01:23:27,588
about why uh, you made a

2554
01:23:27,588 --> 01:23:29,588
certain decision.

2555
01:23:31,458 --> 01:23:34,161
Uh, we keep copies of each

2556
01:23:34,161 --> 01:23:36,300
docket and um, they do make

2557
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:37,932
like little notes and saying,

2558
01:23:37,932 --> 01:23:40,201
you know why I thought it was a

2559
01:23:40,201 --> 01:23:41,702
duplicate and then I just put

2560
01:23:41,702 --> 01:23:43,170
them in these by in this folder

2561
01:23:43,170 --> 01:23:43,604
and I keep them for reference.

2562
01:23:43,604 --> 01:23:44,638
Good.

2563
01:23:44,638 --> 01:23:44,905
>> because I think that's

2564
01:23:44,905 --> 01:23:45,306
important.

2565
01:23:45,306 --> 01:23:46,941
Yeah.

2566
01:23:46,941 --> 01:23:48,409
It's like the congressional

2567
01:23:48,409 --> 01:23:49,477
record you can go back to the

2568
01:23:49,477 --> 01:23:51,877
congressional record and you

2569
01:23:53,981 --> 01:23:55,449
look back 50 years of why a

2570
01:23:55,449 --> 01:23:55,917
congress person did something

2571
01:23:55,917 --> 01:23:57,917
on why.

2572
01:23:58,552 --> 01:24:00,421
So I just think it's helpful in

2573
01:24:00,421 --> 01:24:02,523
the future, especially when you

2574
01:24:02,523 --> 01:24:03,524
have similar dockets that MAY

2575
01:24:03,524 --> 01:24:05,359
come up in the future.

2576
01:24:05,359 --> 01:24:07,861
You can at least go back and

2577
01:24:07,861 --> 01:24:09,531
look at the explanation and the

2578
01:24:09,531 --> 01:24:11,932
decision and provide that to

2579
01:24:11,932 --> 01:24:14,340
the council of what you did in

2580
01:24:14,340 --> 01:24:14,902
the past, the sitting

2581
01:24:14,902 --> 01:24:15,936
precedent, MR. Clerk.

2582
01:24:15,936 --> 01:24:16,837
Yes we are.

2583
01:24:16,837 --> 01:24:18,837
Thank you.

2584
01:24:19,273 --> 01:24:21,273
>> thank you.

2585
01:24:21,709 --> 01:24:23,709
Um.

2586
01:24:27,614 --> 01:24:30,117
>> I think one of the issues

2587
01:24:30,117 --> 01:24:33,717
um, that you mentioned is that

2588
01:24:34,210 --> 01:24:37,525
if you're faced with um, uh, a

2589
01:24:37,525 --> 01:24:39,994
rule 15 docket uh, that you

2590
01:24:39,994 --> 01:24:42,994
can't you often approach the

2591
01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:44,566
sponsor and you ask them to uh,

2592
01:24:44,566 --> 01:24:45,800
give them the opportunity.

2593
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,668
The member is offered an

2594
01:24:47,668 --> 01:24:49,136
amendment um, uh, an

2595
01:24:49,136 --> 01:24:50,304
opportunity to make an

2596
01:24:50,304 --> 01:24:52,406
amendment to the docket so that

2597
01:24:52,406 --> 01:24:52,840
it doesn't, uh, trigger a rule

2598
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,840
15.

2599
01:24:55,476 --> 01:24:58,178
Um, and you said we've had 16

2600
01:24:58,178 --> 01:24:58,846
rule 15 issues this this year

2601
01:24:58,846 --> 01:25:00,846
so far.

2602
01:25:00,881 --> 01:25:02,716
So that's two but two a month.

2603
01:25:02,716 --> 01:25:05,986
So like averaging two a month.

2604
01:25:05,986 --> 01:25:07,254
Um, how many of those were

2605
01:25:07,254 --> 01:25:09,654
successfully resolved by, you

2606
01:25:10,124 --> 01:25:11,426
know, making an amendment or um

2607
01:25:11,426 --> 01:25:11,692
the person withdrew the docket

2608
01:25:11,692 --> 01:25:13,692
or.

2609
01:25:14,161 --> 01:25:16,300
A majority of them uh, were

2610
01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:17,898
they were amended the language

2611
01:25:17,898 --> 01:25:18,999
was changed to make it not to

2612
01:25:18,999 --> 01:25:20,334
be a duplicate.

2613
01:25:20,334 --> 01:25:22,803
Uh, there were a few occasions

2614
01:25:22,803 --> 01:25:24,505
where the docket was withdrawn

2615
01:25:24,505 --> 01:25:27,740
and uh, the counselor would

2616
01:25:27,740 --> 01:25:29,176
contact the the council of the

2617
01:25:29,176 --> 01:25:30,444
original the first filing to

2618
01:25:30,444 --> 01:25:33,281
become a sponsor to that.

2619
01:25:33,281 --> 01:25:35,149
Um and I know I myself was a

2620
01:25:35,149 --> 01:25:38,452
little 15 uh, no, I had a

2621
01:25:38,452 --> 01:25:40,521
docket and my colleague um had

2622
01:25:40,521 --> 01:25:41,689
she she came in five minutes

2623
01:25:41,689 --> 01:25:42,756
after I did with the same

2624
01:25:42,756 --> 01:25:44,425
pretty much a very similar

2625
01:25:44,425 --> 01:25:46,600
docket and we we.

2626
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:47,561
Amended we we amended the

2627
01:25:47,561 --> 01:25:48,429
language and we did a joint

2628
01:25:48,429 --> 01:25:50,829
filing in that case.

2629
01:25:51,298 --> 01:25:52,967
So there are remedies available

2630
01:25:52,967 --> 01:25:55,135
to colleagues if we work

2631
01:25:55,135 --> 01:25:55,602
collaboratively together to

2632
01:25:55,602 --> 01:25:56,871
address this and.

2633
01:25:56,871 --> 01:25:57,304
>> all of this happens before

2634
01:25:57,304 --> 01:25:59,304
we even.

2635
01:25:59,340 --> 01:25:59,540
Publish the uh the agenda.

2636
01:25:59,540 --> 01:26:00,774
Yeah.

2637
01:26:00,774 --> 01:26:02,710
>> um.

2638
01:26:02,710 --> 01:26:03,777
>> I really want to thank you

2639
01:26:03,777 --> 01:26:05,777
for your diligence.

2640
01:26:06,130 --> 01:26:07,281
I appreciate I have a lot

2641
01:26:07,281 --> 01:26:09,183
of concern about the fact that

2642
01:26:09,183 --> 01:26:10,451
you are faced with a lot

2643
01:26:10,451 --> 01:26:11,685
of dockets sometimes we have a

2644
01:26:11,685 --> 01:26:14,421
huge number of dockets that you

2645
01:26:14,421 --> 01:26:18,325
have to review and put into um

2646
01:26:18,325 --> 01:26:21,925
,the system a bit of between

2647
01:26:23,263 --> 01:26:26,501
10 and 12 on a uh a um monday.

2648
01:26:26,501 --> 01:26:28,568
Um I think one thing that I

2649
01:26:28,568 --> 01:26:30,710
will ask my colleagues to

2650
01:26:30,710 --> 01:26:31,939
consider is that if there are

2651
01:26:31,939 --> 01:26:33,807
dockets that are ready to go on

2652
01:26:33,807 --> 01:26:35,750
thursday or friday that to at

2653
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:37,177
least send them over to your

2654
01:26:37,177 --> 01:26:39,446
office so that, uh, your staff

2655
01:26:39,446 --> 01:26:41,749
can start uh, reviewing and

2656
01:26:41,749 --> 01:26:42,383
entering those dockets 830 on a

2657
01:26:42,383 --> 01:26:44,383
on a monday.

2658
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:46,921
Uh, I think if you get all

2659
01:26:46,921 --> 01:26:48,989
of our docket set at quarter

2660
01:26:48,989 --> 01:26:50,258
of ten on a on a on a monday

2661
01:26:50,258 --> 01:26:52,760
and expect everything to be

2662
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:53,227
done for 12 is an unreasonable

2663
01:26:53,227 --> 01:26:55,227
expectation.

2664
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:57,564
So I think it's on us as as

2665
01:26:57,564 --> 01:26:59,233
counselors uh, and to be

2666
01:26:59,233 --> 01:27:01,702
respectful of your, uh, office

2667
01:27:01,702 --> 01:27:03,170
to try and, uh if we have

2668
01:27:03,170 --> 01:27:04,380
dockets ready to go then let's

2669
01:27:04,380 --> 01:27:06,306
let's get them going.

2670
01:27:06,306 --> 01:27:07,775
Um, I know we did that during

2671
01:27:07,775 --> 01:27:09,243
covid and that was an

2672
01:27:09,243 --> 01:27:11,643
extraordinary moment in time.

2673
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,748
So um and also just given the

2674
01:27:14,748 --> 01:27:17,651
sheer number of dockets like as

2675
01:27:17,651 --> 01:27:20,354
you mentioned we are 1500 an

2676
01:27:20,354 --> 01:27:21,422
idiot docket so far this year

2677
01:27:21,422 --> 01:27:23,822
and only in AUGUST.

2678
01:27:24,458 --> 01:27:25,526
Um, we've still got three four

2679
01:27:25,526 --> 01:27:27,526
months to go.

2680
01:27:29,396 --> 01:27:30,664
Um and we um it's a huge amount

2681
01:27:30,664 --> 01:27:31,131
of work for your office and I

2682
01:27:31,131 --> 01:27:31,832
appreciate that.

2683
01:27:31,832 --> 01:27:32,666
Thank you.

2684
01:27:32,666 --> 01:27:34,501
>> council.

2685
01:27:34,501 --> 01:27:35,135
Um.

2686
01:27:35,135 --> 01:27:36,370
>> last call.

2687
01:27:36,370 --> 01:27:37,438
Uh, I just want to thank you

2688
01:27:37,438 --> 01:27:39,730
both for your incredible work.

2689
01:27:39,730 --> 01:27:40,341
Um, and just to offer you

2690
01:27:40,341 --> 01:27:42,341
everyone, uh, closing

2691
01:27:42,643 --> 01:27:43,430
statements, if any would like

2692
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:43,511
councilor murphy.

2693
01:27:43,511 --> 01:27:45,511
Thank you.

2694
01:27:45,546 --> 01:27:45,779
>> I just want to thank you for

2695
01:27:45,779 --> 01:27:47,779
being.

2696
01:27:48,849 --> 01:27:50,517
Here and talking through and

2697
01:27:50,517 --> 01:27:51,652
answering some questions.

2698
01:27:51,652 --> 01:27:51,919
I think flaherty is always

2699
01:27:51,919 --> 01:27:53,919
important.

2700
01:27:54,755 --> 01:27:56,230
i have always been a rule

2701
01:27:56,230 --> 01:27:57,858
follower maybe to a fault.

2702
01:27:57,858 --> 01:27:59,726
So I do think following the

2703
01:27:59,726 --> 01:28:01,629
rules are important but as

2704
01:28:01,629 --> 01:28:02,896
important I think is it has to

2705
01:28:02,896 --> 01:28:04,765
be consistent and people have

2706
01:28:04,765 --> 01:28:05,632
to feel as though the rules are

2707
01:28:05,632 --> 01:28:06,330
being applied um.

2708
01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:07,701
You know.

2709
01:28:07,701 --> 01:28:09,701
>> consistently across the

2710
01:28:09,771 --> 01:28:10,637
board despite personalities or

2711
01:28:10,637 --> 01:28:12,637
any other thing.

2712
01:28:12,673 --> 01:28:14,341
So that is many times the

2713
01:28:14,341 --> 01:28:15,442
concerns I've had right if lay

2714
01:28:15,442 --> 01:28:17,911
files are blocked and said

2715
01:28:17,911 --> 01:28:19,580
because of a concern of open

2716
01:28:19,580 --> 01:28:20,847
meeting law but then all of a

2717
01:28:20,847 --> 01:28:21,716
sudden if it's not a certain

2718
01:28:21,716 --> 01:28:22,149
person following them they're

2719
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:23,584
not block.

2720
01:28:23,584 --> 01:28:24,451
So those concerns I guess no

2721
01:28:24,451 --> 01:28:25,452
longer exist.

2722
01:28:25,452 --> 01:28:26,486
So I do think.

2723
01:28:26,486 --> 01:28:28,880
We do.

2724
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:29,723
Need to work together.

2725
01:28:29,723 --> 01:28:31,825
But what you said proves that

2726
01:28:31,825 --> 01:28:35,425
we already are because most of.

2727
01:28:35,897 --> 01:28:38,199
These real 15 cases that you

2728
01:28:38,199 --> 01:28:39,166
see are fixed before they ever

2729
01:28:39,166 --> 01:28:40,601
make it to the agenda.

2730
01:28:40,601 --> 01:28:40,834
The call is what fixes it

2731
01:28:40,834 --> 01:28:41,668
right?

2732
01:28:41,668 --> 01:28:42,703
And it's what I.

2733
01:28:42,703 --> 01:28:44,304
Thought fixed mine in.

2734
01:28:44,304 --> 01:28:45,806
My case in many times I've

2735
01:28:45,806 --> 01:28:47,274
signed on with other colleagues

2736
01:28:47,274 --> 01:28:48,542
also like hey we're both filing

2737
01:28:48,542 --> 01:28:50,377
something, let's work together.

2738
01:28:50,377 --> 01:28:51,645
All of that is happening behind

2739
01:28:51,645 --> 01:28:53,130
the scenes so that number is

2740
01:28:53,130 --> 01:28:53,281
high and thank you for the work

2741
01:28:53,281 --> 01:28:55,281
you.

2742
01:28:56,750 --> 01:28:57,184
Do in your office um to catch

2743
01:28:57,184 --> 01:28:59,184
it.

2744
01:28:59,253 --> 01:29:00,921
But I do want to be clear to

2745
01:29:00,921 --> 01:29:02,789
the public in the body that

2746
01:29:02,789 --> 01:29:04,258
nine times if not more out

2747
01:29:04,258 --> 01:29:05,526
of ten we are addressing it and

2748
01:29:05,526 --> 01:29:06,193
fixing it before it ever comes

2749
01:29:06,193 --> 01:29:08,193
to the floor.

2750
01:29:08,195 --> 01:29:09,396
so we are working together to

2751
01:29:09,396 --> 01:29:10,564
make sure that we're not just

2752
01:29:10,564 --> 01:29:12,799
bickering and we're not.

2753
01:29:12,799 --> 01:29:14,268
And for me at least I can say

2754
01:29:14,268 --> 01:29:15,535
I'm not filing things just to

2755
01:29:15,535 --> 01:29:17,204
file them to me they're very

2756
01:29:17,204 --> 01:29:19,706
important issues that need to

2757
01:29:19,706 --> 01:29:22,376
be addressed and so looking

2758
01:29:22,376 --> 01:29:24,645
forward to hopefully continuing

2759
01:29:24,645 --> 01:29:25,113
to get consistency across the

2760
01:29:25,113 --> 01:29:26,346
board.

2761
01:29:26,346 --> 01:29:28,215
And thank you for being

2762
01:29:28,215 --> 01:29:29,820
available to make some

2763
01:29:29,820 --> 01:29:29,683
clarifications today.

2764
01:29:29,683 --> 01:29:31,218
Thank you.

2765
01:29:31,218 --> 01:29:33,218
Councilor flynn.

2766
01:29:34,454 --> 01:29:35,689
>> thank you, MADAM Chair.

2767
01:29:35,689 --> 01:29:36,491
>> thank you to the.

2768
01:29:36,491 --> 01:29:38,125
City clerk.

2769
01:29:38,125 --> 01:29:40,525
Thank you to the.

2770
01:29:40,794 --> 01:29:41,662
City council staff director for

2771
01:29:41,662 --> 01:29:42,696
the important.

2772
01:29:42,696 --> 01:29:44,731
Work you were doing.

2773
01:29:44,731 --> 01:29:46,200
For the city council and for

2774
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,600
the residents of boston.

2775
01:29:49,236 --> 01:29:51,338
Let's continue as a body to

2776
01:29:51,338 --> 01:29:53,738
work together, respect each

2777
01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:54,675
other, communicate effectively

2778
01:29:54,675 --> 01:29:55,809
with each other.

2779
01:29:55,809 --> 01:29:56,743
And do the work of.

2780
01:29:56,743 --> 01:29:58,345
>> the people.

2781
01:29:58,345 --> 01:30:00,470
That's critical, especially

2782
01:30:00,470 --> 01:30:00,281
during these challenging times

2783
01:30:00,281 --> 01:30:01,715
.

2784
01:30:01,715 --> 01:30:03,384
We all know that boston works.

2785
01:30:03,384 --> 01:30:03,817
Best when we when we work

2786
01:30:03,817 --> 01:30:04,718
together.

2787
01:30:04,718 --> 01:30:06,860
Thank you, MADAM Chair.

2788
01:30:06,860 --> 01:30:07,821
Thank you, councilor flynn.

2789
01:30:07,821 --> 01:30:08,880
Councilor fitzgerald closing

2790
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:08,689
remarks.

2791
01:30:08,689 --> 01:30:10,524
Thank you.

2792
01:30:10,524 --> 01:30:12,524
Good.

2793
01:30:13,293 --> 01:30:13,727
>> um, councilor weber closing

2794
01:30:13,727 --> 01:30:14,127
remarks.

2795
01:30:14,127 --> 01:30:15,496
Sure.

2796
01:30:15,496 --> 01:30:15,696
>> uh, thank you very much.

2797
01:30:15,696 --> 01:30:17,431
Yeah.

2798
01:30:17,431 --> 01:30:18,799
I mean I feel like, uh you know

2799
01:30:18,799 --> 01:30:21,301
,again, thank you to the

2800
01:30:21,301 --> 01:30:23,370
panelists and uh, I think

2801
01:30:23,370 --> 01:30:24,438
issues around rule 15 and

2802
01:30:24,438 --> 01:30:25,705
issues that we talked about

2803
01:30:25,705 --> 01:30:28,705
today I think it's more

2804
01:30:28,809 --> 01:30:30,277
indicative of issues on the

2805
01:30:30,277 --> 01:30:32,346
council and with with

2806
01:30:32,346 --> 01:30:33,213
councilors, uh, effectively

2807
01:30:33,213 --> 01:30:35,213
working together.

2808
01:30:35,449 --> 01:30:37,170
So I agree with my colleagues

2809
01:30:37,170 --> 01:30:38,850
there, uh, that you know so I'd

2810
01:30:38,850 --> 01:30:39,186
say it's more of this

2811
01:30:39,186 --> 01:30:41,455
highlights more of that issue

2812
01:30:41,455 --> 01:30:43,123
than any issues um, with the

2813
01:30:43,123 --> 01:30:44,591
clerk's office or legal

2814
01:30:44,591 --> 01:30:45,250
councilor or even the language

2815
01:30:45,250 --> 01:30:47,250
of the rule.

2816
01:30:48,495 --> 01:30:50,565
So again, I hope we use this as

2817
01:30:50,565 --> 01:30:50,831
uh as a way to work better

2818
01:30:50,831 --> 01:30:52,831
together.

2819
01:30:53,467 --> 01:30:54,234
So thank you to I've just echo

2820
01:30:54,234 --> 01:30:54,735
councilor flynn sentiment.

2821
01:30:54,735 --> 01:30:55,769
Thank you.

2822
01:30:55,769 --> 01:30:56,169
Thank you.

2823
01:30:56,169 --> 01:30:57,304
Um.

2824
01:30:57,304 --> 01:30:59,304
Councilor culpeper.

2825
01:30:59,373 --> 01:31:00,807
Sounds like that organization

2826
01:31:00,807 --> 01:31:01,108
went better together.

2827
01:31:01,108 --> 01:31:02,943
Yeah.

2828
01:31:02,943 --> 01:31:05,343
Uh, just a couple.

2829
01:31:06,213 --> 01:31:08,810
Of comments and and you MAY

2830
01:31:08,810 --> 01:31:09,950
want to respond and MAY not we

2831
01:31:09,950 --> 01:31:13,550
try and have all of our

2832
01:31:13,887 --> 01:31:15,155
filings, uh, prepared friday so

2833
01:31:15,155 --> 01:31:17,424
I can review them with the

2834
01:31:17,424 --> 01:31:18,692
start friday, but we MAY not

2835
01:31:18,692 --> 01:31:20,692
file them friday.

2836
01:31:20,727 --> 01:31:24,327
And my question is would you

2837
01:31:25,650 --> 01:31:26,533
rather us file on friday and if

2838
01:31:26,533 --> 01:31:29,200
monday morning I'll review them

2839
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:30,103
again monday morning and if we

2840
01:31:30,103 --> 01:31:32,503
have amendments would you

2841
01:31:32,973 --> 01:31:36,573
prefer that we pull that and

2842
01:31:36,677 --> 01:31:38,178
file the and how the change or

2843
01:31:38,178 --> 01:31:38,412
just leave it there and amend

2844
01:31:38,412 --> 01:31:39,413
it.

2845
01:31:39,413 --> 01:31:41,413
What's your preference.

2846
01:31:43,717 --> 01:31:45,185
Uh well you know if you file

2847
01:31:45,185 --> 01:31:45,419
something on friday then you

2848
01:31:45,419 --> 01:31:47,419
want.

2849
01:31:47,454 --> 01:31:49,723
To change it on monday that

2850
01:31:49,723 --> 01:31:49,990
that creates more work too for

2851
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:51,990
us.

2852
01:31:52,859 --> 01:31:54,662
But uh I mean it can be done.

2853
01:31:54,662 --> 01:31:56,563
So would you rather we just

2854
01:31:56,563 --> 01:31:58,198
wait and file.

2855
01:31:58,198 --> 01:31:58,432
Until you have the final

2856
01:31:58,432 --> 01:31:58,665
version?

2857
01:31:58,665 --> 01:32:00,665
Yeah.

2858
01:32:01,735 --> 01:32:04,605
>> and then, um, you can we can

2859
01:32:04,605 --> 01:32:06,506
review it and then hopefully

2860
01:32:06,506 --> 01:32:07,741
it'll be fine and okay if you

2861
01:32:07,741 --> 01:32:09,242
want to substitute of course

2862
01:32:09,242 --> 01:32:09,676
you can do that during the

2863
01:32:09,676 --> 01:32:11,676
meeting as well.

2864
01:32:11,711 --> 01:32:14,214
Right and and where we can

2865
01:32:14,214 --> 01:32:15,282
we'll try and get them into you

2866
01:32:15,282 --> 01:32:16,950
by friday because usually

2867
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:19,860
they're ready on friday.

2868
01:32:19,860 --> 01:32:20,787
But you know that weekend you

2869
01:32:20,787 --> 01:32:21,855
know going to the weekend

2870
01:32:21,855 --> 01:32:24,558
thinking about that file and

2871
01:32:24,558 --> 01:32:26,260
waking up monday morning that's

2872
01:32:26,260 --> 01:32:26,827
fine thank you thank you MR.

2873
01:32:26,827 --> 01:32:28,827
Thank you council.

2874
01:32:29,396 --> 01:32:29,629
Thank you, councilor culpepper

2875
01:32:29,629 --> 01:32:31,629
.

2876
01:32:32,660 --> 01:32:32,632
Um I want to thank you both for

2877
01:32:32,632 --> 01:32:34,101
being here today.

2878
01:32:34,101 --> 01:32:35,168
I think this has been a very

2879
01:32:35,168 --> 01:32:35,502
valuable and informative

2880
01:32:35,502 --> 01:32:36,670
conversation.

2881
01:32:36,670 --> 01:32:38,138
I want to thank my colleagues

2882
01:32:38,138 --> 01:32:38,572
for participating in the

2883
01:32:38,572 --> 01:32:40,572
conversation.

2884
01:32:42,876 --> 01:32:46,580
Um, our goal as a as a body and

2885
01:32:46,580 --> 01:32:48,248
as as a um staff and

2886
01:32:48,248 --> 01:32:50,550
council and your trucks office

2887
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:53,220
is to have an efficient,

2888
01:32:53,220 --> 01:32:54,287
well-run council and I

2889
01:32:54,287 --> 01:32:54,755
appreciate all the great work

2890
01:32:54,755 --> 01:32:56,755
you do.

2891
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:58,558
Um, I think we can make some

2892
01:32:58,558 --> 01:32:59,560
tweaks and and encourage people

2893
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:00,861
to file if there's something

2894
01:33:00,861 --> 01:33:01,828
ready to go when it's in good

2895
01:33:01,828 --> 01:33:03,497
shape and it doesn't need

2896
01:33:03,497 --> 01:33:04,965
changing, send it to your

2897
01:33:04,965 --> 01:33:06,833
office in a timely way so that

2898
01:33:06,833 --> 01:33:08,702
it doesn't get into the the the

2899
01:33:08,702 --> 01:33:11,204
bottom the bottleneck on on

2900
01:33:11,204 --> 01:33:12,472
monday mornings and uh I just

2901
01:33:12,472 --> 01:33:14,675
want to encourage thank you for

2902
01:33:14,675 --> 01:33:16,943
your professionalism and your

2903
01:33:16,943 --> 01:33:19,246
daily commitment to helping us,

2904
01:33:19,246 --> 01:33:20,514
uh, do our work for the people

2905
01:33:20,514 --> 01:33:21,915
of boston every day.

2906
01:33:21,915 --> 01:33:22,449
And thanks to my colleagues.

2907
01:33:22,449 --> 01:33:24,449
Thank you.

2908
01:33:26,686 --> 01:33:28,989
>> he might not realize it, but

2909
01:33:28,989 --> 01:33:31,291
I take down notes of your

2910
01:33:31,291 --> 01:33:33,360
prayers so that I take them

2911
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:33,627
with me when I leave here this

2912
01:33:33,627 --> 01:33:35,610
council.

2913
01:33:35,610 --> 01:33:37,764
So when I look at some of my

2914
01:33:37,764 --> 01:33:39,232
files I've got certain portions

2915
01:33:39,232 --> 01:33:41,468
of your prayers in those files.

2916
01:33:41,468 --> 01:33:41,701
So thank you for those prayers

2917
01:33:41,701 --> 01:33:43,336
.

2918
01:33:43,336 --> 01:33:44,804
That's the other role of the

2919
01:33:44,804 --> 01:33:46,506
clerk is to stand in for clergy

2920
01:33:46,506 --> 01:33:46,840
when we don't have clergy and

2921
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:47,674
to set.

2922
01:33:47,674 --> 01:33:49,542
>> the prayers to.

2923
01:33:49,542 --> 01:33:51,145
>> set us to set a peaceful.

2924
01:33:51,145 --> 01:33:51,711
And collaborative tone at the

2925
01:33:51,711 --> 01:33:52,879
beginning of a meeting.

2926
01:33:52,879 --> 01:33:53,481
So I thank you for that.

2927
01:33:53,481 --> 01:33:55,315
MADAM PRESIDENT.

2928
01:33:55,315 --> 01:33:56,783
MADAM PRESIDENT, if he uses

2929
01:33:56,783 --> 01:33:57,830
that in his sermons is that

2930
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:57,851
plagiarism?

2931
01:33:57,851 --> 01:33:59,686
Yes.

2932
01:33:59,686 --> 01:34:01,721
>> I leave this up to that.

2933
01:34:01,721 --> 01:34:02,220
Is that where you get your

2934
01:34:02,220 --> 01:34:02,389
inspiration?

2935
01:34:02,389 --> 01:34:03,390
Credit?

2936
01:34:03,390 --> 01:34:05,225
>> yeah.

2937
01:34:05,225 --> 01:34:06,860
>> oh come on.

2938
01:34:06,860 --> 01:34:07,127
I give him credit I said

2939
01:34:07,127 --> 01:34:09,127
before.

2940
01:34:09,963 --> 01:34:11,963
Thank you everyone.

2941
01:34:11,998 --> 01:34:13,734
This hearing on docket.

2942
01:34:13,734 --> 01:34:15,734
1475 is adjourned.