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Wendy Paine here, Jonathan Townsend here, Julie Klempa here, Jason Cohen here, Robert Gordonson here.

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First item we have is item 3 old business we have been item 4 consideration in consent agenda, is there any items that anybody worth to pull from the consent agenda?

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I did not.

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Move to approve the consent agenda.

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Second.

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Have most of you have roll call vote?

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Mindy Paine. Yes Jonathan Townsend. Yes Julie Clempa. Yes Jason Cohen. Yes Robert Guards. Yes, now item four D26-89

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That will go before the city council right here at 6.30 on January 20th

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All right item number five items removed from the consent agenda. We have an item six public hearings

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Before we get started with public hearings thought I would read your little statement here

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I don't have this memorized so I'll read it to you

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Good evening.

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I'm going to go over the ground rules for the planning commission to tonight's public

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hearings.

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There are public hearings on land use.

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These are public hearings on land use items.

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The planning commission's rules to consider the request based on the CIS adopted comprehensive

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plan and so any regulation and evidence and testimony present tonight are just says in

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whether to recommend approval, denial, or conditions will be based on land use criteria,

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such as compatibility of surrounding development, traffic, and access, parking, public safety,

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stormwater in floodplain consideration, and you tell these buffering and screening, etc.

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Convince that are unrelated to land use criteria are not relevant to the commission's

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decision type and will not be considered.

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Each speaker will have three minutes to talk.

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Please state your name and address for the record before you begin.

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Please direct your comments to the commission.

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Don't talk to the audience.

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Talk to us.

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To keep the meeting fair and efficient, we ask that the speakers avoid repeating points because

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You're going to start saying same thing over and over and over for what the previous speakers

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had said.

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So try to limit that on something new to us.

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Thank you.

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Well, now go ahead and start with the public hearing, so I guess we'll have the first item.

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And that will be, I then 6A 25-1716, staff on the cover of that.

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regarding COMP002532-2025, comprehensive plan change by Onetta 71 LLC for 8.8 acres from level 1,

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rural residential greenway floodplain to level 4 commercial employment nodes located

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approximately one-tenth mile north of the northwest corner of East Kenosha Street or 71st Street

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and Onetto Road 240 verse East Avenue.

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Let me find my spot.

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The applicant is requesting this change

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to the comprehensive plan

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for the purpose of a commercial development.

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Pending approval of this amendment

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to the comprehensive plan,

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the applicant intends to submit a rezoning request

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to change the zoning to CG,

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which is commercial general.

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This request is congruent

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with the three parcels to the south of this property,

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which are already designated as level four commercial employment nodes within the comprehensive plan.

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The project site would include four continuous parcels on the Northwest corner totalling 16.39 acres.

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Amending the comprehensive plan to level four would support a future rezoning request to CG commercial general.

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The anticipated CG commercial general is in conformance with level four in the comprehensive plan.

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The surrounding properties contain the following uses along with the following development guide and zoning designations.

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And to the north is a level one, which is currently a one agricultural, and it is used as a residential estate.

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To the east is level four, which is currently agricultural a one.

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It's also used as a residential estate to the south.

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The Comprehensive Plan has slated level 4, which is currently A1 agricultural, which current land use is also agricultural.

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To the west is level 1, which is currently A1, and there is a power substation at this location.

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According to FEMA maps, the western portion of this property is located within the 100-year

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floodplain zone AE, water and sanitary sewer are available from the city of Broken Arrow.

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Based on the location of the property in Surrounding Land uses, staff does recommend COMP002532-2025

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I'd be approved subject to the property being plotted.

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Thanks for back up any questions, staff, discussion.

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Is the applicant present?

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Is that anything you wish to add?

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Mr. Chairman, who Reynolds, 27, 27, he's 21st Street.

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The purpose of this amendment we intend to put a grocery store here.

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I know that about 18 months ago, before this board, there was an application to put

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in the mini storage project here, but this is what our purpose is, and we're in agreement

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staff and I'll try to answer any questions if you have them.

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Sounds good.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Anybody else signed up to speak?

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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We actually had to, well, they didn't sign up to speak, but we have two persons that signed up

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that they are in opposition.

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They asked not to speak, but two persons that are in opposition.

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All right.

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So anything else?

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I'll close both of it.

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and I guess we're ready for motion.

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But did you sign up to speak, sir?

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What's your name?

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Is that on there?

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Neither of them.

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So this is that, and you signed up to speak?

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Well, we got a whole bunch of speaks.

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So that's up there.

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So we got...

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And you think you put six A on there?

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No.

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Two, five.

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But this is the item that you were wanting to talk about.

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So, did you sign up for our opposition or your report?

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Okay, I'll tell you, we'll go ahead and give you three minutes.

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Talk while we're looking for that.

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So, yeah,

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I mean, you got sign up to speak, but we'll just do it.

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Go ahead and you have three minutes.

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Station name and address the record, please.

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May I give you guys a couple of these documents?

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I apologize, may I?

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I didn't even write a link to it, may I?

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I'm supposed to give.

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Now this is what we're going to work one time to nine, okay?

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That's okay, I can look on, but thank you.

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Thank you for allowing me to speak my name is Colton J.

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My address is 6975 South Turn 41st East Avenue.

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Broken air directly across the street from where this is rezoning.

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I live there with my wife McKinsey and my two-year-old son Jack.

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I've spoke with at least eight of the members along our street and a no need to

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or 240 first this week.

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I just wanted to bring up some of the items that we discussed, all of us were in opposition

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of this, honestly.

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So the increased traffic, the volume of the hours from early morning to late in the evening,

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pedestrian safety, especially for children and pets, the noise and light pollution.

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So cars driving by our road is just a little too lane road.

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But I don't think it can take really any more traffic than what already gets.

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The bright lights, you know, from a convenient store, grocery store, whatever, that may be.

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And likely those are going to be on 24-7.

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Property value.

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I believe that all the surrounding property values would decline putting us sellers, buyers,

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and tough positions.

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Nearby competition, there's four grocery stores, convenient stores, gas stations within

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a mile distance, a brand new quick trip, a dollar general, a conic oak peeps, or mighty

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mark within a mile.

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Quality of life for us, privacy due to just constant coming go from people, increase later

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I am constantly picking up trash bags, you know, wrappers, things like that, and my fence

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line, already from just being so close to 71st.

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feeling and living just, I mean, a more commercial rather than rural residential wood, which is what it is.

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A lot of the people around us have livestock, so welfare of those animals, whether that's, you know, just stressed from traffic noise and crowds and things like that.

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Then stormwater run off with potential for, you know, having oil or fuel or, you know, gas and things like that chemicals.

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And some of the additional points like I mentioned the road, you know, probably not being good enough for more traffic.

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And the O'Neigh difference doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to a lot of the people on the block.

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And then another one that I did, I didn't want to mention, you know, if I had a O'Neigh front inch, I am directly across the street from that.

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So in the evening hours and things like that headlights pulling in and out of that are going to be shining right into the front of our house right through our windows

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There's a couple, you know members in the audience as well that are

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Live right next door to me and it would affect them as well. So that's that's all I have so you're directly across the street you're on very east out of it. Yes, so so

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I'm

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Okay, so

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For more I don't need it is I'm the second property right there from 71 so we we own five acres there

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People just to the north of us I believe own four or four acres

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A lot of I mean these are big big property, so we've so you're on the east side. Yes, I'm on the east side of O'Neigh

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No, I'm trying I have to get the applicant back up here to and maybe respond anything you're saying here, but it wasn't there

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There are the on the south side where the many stores going to be is that part of this now or is that going to be separate?

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I guess let me let the afternoon come back to come back.

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Thank you for.

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Was there another one?

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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There's no many stores component this project.

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And we see this every day in Stonewater.

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Our Stonewater will be dealt with under your city Stonewater regulations.

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We will all be detained.

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So we want to have an issue there with us,

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with pedestrians, we'll have to put sidewalks along both

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canocia and overnight a road so we'll be taking care

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of that.

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We're a grocery store not a convenient store.

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So you're actually going to go towards the whole node

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itself, not just, OK, that's correct.

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That's what I could remember what was south of this

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was for any storage.

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That's great.

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We're a grocery store.

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We're not a convenient store.

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We're other convenience stores all around here,

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but you go all the way to the other side of the turnpike

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to get to the Walmart Super Center for grocery store and for miles and miles, there's no grocery store.

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In the traffic, there's a traffic issue that'll be dealt with in our planning and we've studied this and traffic's fine.

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The interchange is already signalized on all four legs to deal with this type of commercial growth.

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You know, from your zoning regulations, lighting will be dealt with.

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We will not have any lights across our property line and get out anything.

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So since it's more of the area that what we see them showing right now, you're going to actually have a limits of access that it's going to actually be off Kenosha Street itself

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That's correct.

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We're going to have someone called Anita, but not right.

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So if you have an idea where the limits of access is going to be off, we're going to need a road itself.

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He was just talking about the lighting stuff.

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I don't think we have much of an impact on them.

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But improve the area by having this grocery store there.

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I believe we require 250 feet from that intersection, so it would be a minimum of 250 feet for the

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ingressy grass off any of that.

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Okay, so we haven't seen anything any kind of site playing the internet to see where it's going to be.

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The locations of the curb cuts.

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I think it's more of a conceptual plan at this, but it will have to adhere to city ordinance and the engineering standards.

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Okay.

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In a lot of the concerns, you know, I don't know how to respond to quality of life on this right now,

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a lot of the concerns will be addressed when we go through the actually the engineering documents

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of the service.

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So, that's our process, right?

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Well, that would be the city of Broken Arrow Engineering staff.

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So, any other discussion, questions, comments?

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Thanks.

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Thanks.

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So, is this the first time seeing this and have a staff have a chance to see this tonight?

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Yes.

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We did not receive this prior to the meeting.

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Okay, is this something you would like to see before or would you rather imagine motion on it tonight?

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It's fine to make a motion. Okay

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While I'll close public hearing I guess we're ready to turn in the discussion on motion.

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I'm Mr. Chair. I'll make a motion to approve items six eight 25 dash 17 16 per staff recommendation.

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I'll second. So we have a motion saying I have real call vote

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Minni Payne.

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No.

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Jonathan Talvin.

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Yes.

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Julie Clevver.

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Yes.

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Jason Cohen.

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No.

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Robert Gorenson.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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That'll go before the city council january 20 right here at 630.

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Thank you.

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And you.

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We'll have a chance to present this to the city council. You might give it to him a little bit sooner, so they have a chance to look at if that makes sense.

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Thank you for coming.

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We're recommending bodies, so we'll go to the city council for them to consider.

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Next item on the agenda is item number 6b26-82.

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Public hearing, consideration, possible action, regarding PUD002490-2025, planned unit development, and BAC002489.

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for 89-2025 rezoning for American storage of BA,

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approximately 24.9 acres,

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A1 agricultural to PUD planned unit development,

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located west of the Crete term hike east of South 29th,

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East Avenue or North 37th Street,

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and North of East Houston Street, East 81st Street.

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Rebecca excuse me for a moment.

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Can y'all please be quiet out there?

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A little bit of thanks.

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A reasoning request,

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BAZ002489-2025 is proposing to change the zoning on this property from

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A1 agricultural to PUD002490-2025 for commercial heavy CH and industrial IEL based

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onings to allow for retail warehouse office space and storage development to the north and

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many storage development to the south.

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Commercial heavy is allowable in level 6 of the comprehensive plan, and

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Industrial light is possible when done in the context of a PUD or planned unit development.

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Surrounding land uses,

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according to the comprehensive plan are as follows, to the north is

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Level 6 in the comprehensive plan with a current zoning of A1 with a special use permit 164.

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It is a house of worship.

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East is also slated to be level 6, according to the comprehensive plan.

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It is currently agricultural and undeveloped.

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South is also slated to be level 6 in the comprehensive plan.

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Current zoning is agricultural, also undeveloped.

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West is also level 6 in the comprehensive plan.

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It is currently agricultural and undeveloped.

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Based on the comprehensive plan, the location of this property and the surrounding land uses.

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staff recommends that BAC002489-2025 be approved subject to the property being

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plotted and PUD-002490-2025 be approved as submitted.

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Thanks for back at any questions, discussion, and staff, is the applicant present,

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is the applicant

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present?

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I thought I saw him in here a minute ago.

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I think the app was in her wardrobe will give a chance for rockets if they're out there.

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We're back.

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I'm going to have a question about the landscape on A versus B.

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Do you want me to wait?

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Do you want to respond any of it?

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Yeah.

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If we can wait, we can both try to tag team and answer any questions.

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He might not be back right now.

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We've been waiting on the app for about 20 minutes now.

272
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Yeah, it's a turn.

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Anything you wish to add on this?

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Let me ask you about the landscape.

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Let's go ahead.

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We'll make the name and address the record, please.

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And Cole Watts, while it's signed collective,

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1, 2, 3, Martin Luther King,

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Boulevard, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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We agree with staff's recommendation for approval.

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I'll just curious about landscape.

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On landscaping, a versus landscape and b,

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I guess the landscape in A I think has the landscape in A has a 50 foot along the turnpike.

284
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Yes.

285
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Okay, in landscape in the area B does not only has a 10 foot I think, what was the reason

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to be not having the same amount for that area?

287
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Because both of it ran along the creek turnpike, I was just curious.

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Because the development area B is for many shortages, and so we were trying to find an extra

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for for the minisorages then for the north east lot that was more industrial right let's see so

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even though it's not a buddy in the creek turnfike on the area a it will still be backed up

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to more to the west side right so you'll have that open field and I guess you're going to have a detention area out there we

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will have a detention out there it's got so even though we don't have a landscape we have a 50 foot landscape buffer

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along the entire length of the turnpike so they're going to be treason to on for both a

294
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I guess I've missed right at him.

295
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I believe so, because we show on exhibit E.

296
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Yeah, I didn't read that way, but maybe I'll miss right?

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Let me.

298
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Well, I think that's good.

299
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That's good.

300
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But first, I'll be provided along with Creek Turnpike boundary

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of development.

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Area B.

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Additionally, a 20-foot landscape buffer.

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She'll be provided along this southern boundary of development.

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Area B.

306
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Sorry to try and fall out a little bit.

307
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It's in your table of PUD, items, yep, keep going.

308
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Go ahead.

309
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Is that right there?

310
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Yep, right there at the bottom of that page.

311
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Thank you.

312
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So what you read was area B, right?

313
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Is area A and B.

314
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You read A and B.

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The intention is to provide the same landscape screening

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and buffer for A and B along the term hike.

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I just read the tables in an area landscape buffer is different.

318
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We can clarify that, but that was the intention and if you look at the exhibit, you see 50 foot on both sides.

319
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I missed out a problem, look at the kitchen area and stuff, it's going to look about what it is out there right now.

320
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But then you still look way past it and you'll still see something.

321
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I just curious about that.

322
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No, that was the intention, so we can clarify that if we need to.

323
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All right, thanks.

324
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Any other questions, discussion?

325
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All right, thank you.

326
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Did anybody set a sign of speak?

327
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No, when I have no, I guess we're right, cause public care and ready for motion.

328
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Oh, make a motion to approve item six B per staff recommendations.

329
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All second and most second I roll car vote.

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Midie King. Yes, Jonathan Townsend. Yes, Julie Clempa. Yes, Jason Cohen. Yes, Robert Gordon. Yes, Dan that'll go before the city council in January 20th right here at 630.

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I'm sure it's pretty busy out there.

332
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I've been asked to read the statement again.

333
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They want my voice to go out for the end of the meeting.

334
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So basically what I'm going to tell you right now is don't repeat.

335
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Try not to repeat the same thing over and over again.

336
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People are going to come in here and they're not, you know, we need to talk about the things

337
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that are relevant to what we're looking at and what we're deciding on tonight.

338
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And that's the traffic, transportation for these items.

339
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You got your landscaping.

340
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You got your noise levels.

341
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Traffic control, I think, just things like that.

342
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So it's trying not to repeat the same thing over and over

343
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that the previous speaker said otherwise you're going to be here all night.

344
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I think we got 70 people signed up to talk.

345
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More than that.

346
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More than that.

347
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And so you got three minutes each.

348
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So we'll be here about three hours.

349
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So that's what we're here.

350
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That's what we're deciding on tonight.

351
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based on a line of your code.

352
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And I would just like to add that if there are people that the person before you just said something that you are going to say the exact same thing.

353
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You can just come up and say your name and then mention that you agree with the previous person or another person.

354
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You can say that.

355
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The other thing I just wanted to share is people do get passionate about many subjects.

356
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and we just have to know that we all have a right to disagree in our own opinion and to speak of our opinion.

357
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So there may be some people that disagree with what you're saying or what you believe.

358
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Please keep it down and allow them the opportunity to speak at the same way that you were given an opportunity to speak.

359
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Okay, so we'll just be respectful. Thank you.

360
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Yeah, and that's what I was going to say when you came up to speak.

361
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Remember you're talking to us up here at the Planning Commission.

362
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You're not talking to the audience, okay?

363
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So you need to talk to us, okay?

364
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All right.

365
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You want to cover the item?

366
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Staff?

367
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This is public hearing, consideration, and possible action regarding B, A, Z,

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0, 0, 2, 4, 6, 9, 20, 25, rezoning, and SP, 0, 0, 2, 5, 2, 6, 20, 25,

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Conditional Use Permit, Islamic Center of Tulsa 15.06 Acres, Agracultural, and Float Plane to Commercial General and Float Plane.

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Located approximately one half-mile north of Tucson Street, under 21st Street, and just east of all of Avenue, also known as Under 2090.

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The AZ002469-2025 is a request to change the zoning designation of 15.08 Acres from Agracultural to Commercial General and Float Plane.

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The property is located approximately one half mile north of Tucson Street and just east of

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all of Avenue, 129 east Avenue.

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The Creek Term Pike and its interchange with all of Avenue is north of this property.

375
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The proposed development will have access from all of Avenue.

376
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This property is comprehensive plan level six which supports a rezoning to commercial general

377
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CG.

378
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The proposed development includes a commercial retail sensor along the frontage of the property.

379
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The Islamic Center in the Center portion, the rear portion of the property is partially flood

380
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land and is planned for a retention pond and a vacant land.

381
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A conditional use permit for a place of assembly is also part of this item for consideration.

382
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Parking requirements for places of assembly are one parking space for per-four seats in assembly area,

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or one parking space per-100 square feet in meeting areas without seats.

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The conceptual development layout details 726 total parking spaces.

385
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However, the final number will be determined and approved in the site plan review process for both the Islamic Center and the retail development.

386
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Surrounding land uses zoning and comprehensive plan.

387
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The surrounding properties contain the following uses along with the following development guide and zoning designations.

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So the North it is level six in Greenway floodplain.

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It is zoning is agricultural in the land use that's currently vacant.

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It is the East does level six in zoned agricultural and the land use is currently vacant.

391
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So the South is level three in greenway floodplain.

392
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The zoning is agricultural and its current use is for a place of assembly.

393
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So the West is level six in level three, the zoning is agricultural

394
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and its currently used is a single family residence-and vacant land.

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Also addition to that.

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According to FEMA's national flood hazard layer, the rear portion of the property features an area of 100 year floodplain.

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That area is planned to remain undeveloped currently. All developments will follow floodplain development requirements as set forth by the City of Broken Arrow and FEMA.

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Based upon the Comprehensive Plan, the location of the property and the surrounding land uses, staff recommends that be AZ002469-20205 and SP002526-20205 be approved subject to the property being flooded.

399
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All right, thanks, Jose.

400
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Any questions, staff?

401
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:33,080
I would like to add for kind of what Jason was getting that while ago.

402
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If you've got, you know, you've probably got some radio in here right now.

403
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:39,380
So if you're going to get ready, I will recess the meeting and we'll wait for 5-10 minutes

404
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whatever takes till everybody settles down, and then we'll reconvene to start over.

405
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So that means it may go into a lot later through the night, if that makes sense to you guys.

406
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So just try to come and become relaxed.

407
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,980
So is the applicant present, you have anything you wish to add, I bet you do.

408
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How many people turn out to see a grocery store resounding, right?

409
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That's right.

410
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:06,030
And yours is in the water, right?

411
00:29:06,210 --> 00:29:06,430
Yeah.

412
00:29:06,790 --> 00:29:07,610
We're just in the water.

413
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:10,590
When they did name an address for the record place, I am Rick Brown.

414
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I am the architect representing the Tulsa Islamic Association.

415
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And I, my address is 521 West Willshar Oklahoma City.

416
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Our practices in Oklahoma City, Dallas, and New York were a small boutique firm.

417
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And we do a lot of different things, but we have over the last 10 to 12 years done a number of Islamic projects, whether they're mosques or, you know, family-centered additions.

418
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And this is one of those. It's in an agriculture-ally-zoned area currently.

419
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It's next to

420
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Another assembly has talked about that it's a church, so there's a precedent for the type of the type of occupancy that we're going to propose here.

421
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Phase one of the project will be the prayer hall and some support functions phase two would be

422
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finishing out the second floor with classrooms and the women's prayer area.

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And then the next phase of actual construction would be adding the gym and a place that fits in between what would be the phase one.

424
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We know that with a conditional special use permit that we can build the mosque in agricultural zoning,

425
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but we also have about 20,000 square foot retail slash office kind of structure that fronts on to all of street.

426
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,100
So that won't happen immediately.

427
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,480
It's projected for some time in the future,

428
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but the commercial zoning would be required for that.

429
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,460
So you're saying that the commercial is way down the line compared to the line.

430
00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:20,900
Yeah, I think so.

431
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,060
I mean, I don't know exactly what it is.

432
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,820
I don't think the area is ready for it.

433
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:28,100
First off, and when it is, you know,

434
00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:30,580
I'm an interactive Instagram because that was a question I had to staff

435
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and I don't know if your posture dance was this right now.

436
00:31:32,660 --> 00:31:36,360
But if they were to be approved for the zoning change,

437
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and if they were to be approved with the,

438
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and I'm not saying they're going to,

439
00:31:40,340 --> 00:31:43,320
if they were to be approved for the conditional use permit,

440
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with the timeline actually start just on the mosque itself,

441
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or would for the conditional use permit,

442
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:51,360
because don't you have like two years to be under construction,

443
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active, or expires, and they have to come back

444
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before the planning commission again.

445
00:31:57,460 --> 00:31:59,840
So, but that's not going to be related to the commercial

446
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,860
on the retail, correct?

447
00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:07,300
But no, they would have the rezoning would be subject to planning, so they would have to

448
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,920
apply the property before the zoning goes into effect.

449
00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:14,820
If they do not act on the use permit within a couple of years, then it would have to start

450
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to realize that.

451
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,380
And that's construction right, because I think what it says in the ordinances like active or

452
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something like activated or something, I'm not sure exactly what you're doing.

453
00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:25,540
Can you relate here?

454
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Thank you.

455
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,440
We'll do.

456
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,120
They would have to be actively seeking the permits for it.

457
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,440
I just stated that they'd have to actively be seeking permits.

458
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All right, go ahead.

459
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:52,320
So, that's the essentially the concept side plan that's up on the screen now.

460
00:32:52,820 --> 00:33:00,240
You can see the overall facility, the prayer hall is, you know, in the neighborhood of,

461
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:10,000
of 3839,000 square feet, initial construction would be about 24,000 square feet, the future

462
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retail you can see is about 20,000 square feet up on the front edge.

463
00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:24,560
We show 600 some odd parking spaces, the mosque will hold a full capacity about that many

464
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people.

465
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I know that that's more than the city allows, I'm sure that's something that will create a lot of dialog during the site plan, approval phase and, you know, we're open to studying that although there are, you know, times at on Fridays when they're, their services are and during Ramadan that they will absolutely feel those parking spaces.

466
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99 percent of the time it won't. There will be only a handful of people there for daily

467
00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:07,960
prayers and on Fridays there's a lot more people on Friday afternoons but that's actually

468
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:15,900
a pretty good time. It doesn't conflict with the church next door and so we really don't think

469
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:18,180
traffic will be a problem out there.

470
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:18,920
Well, that's interesting.

471
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,580
I do a lot of interrupting someone there after you get there.

472
00:34:22,580 --> 00:34:26,780
They're keeping the clock going so they're stopping it for you to put me to ask a question.

473
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:31,120
But I want to ask it down before I forget the transportation of traffic control itself,

474
00:34:31,180 --> 00:34:33,260
the traffic that you expect out there.

475
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,780
A lot of people are going to bring up the concern with the traffic going down all of

476
00:34:36,780 --> 00:34:37,060
the street.

477
00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:38,540
I don't understand that.

478
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:44,980
So what can you tell us about the hours of operation and when is the peak traffic occurring

479
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:48,600
at leaving this or entering or leaving this facility through the week.

480
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,660
Typically the only really busy time is on Friday afternoon and I think that's one or two

481
00:34:55,660 --> 00:35:04,480
o'clock, one o'clock Friday, so one o'clock on Friday is when the big crowd will be there,

482
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:12,740
other times during the week, there'll be a handful of people for daily prayers, not a lot, okay.

483
00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:16,040
So there will be, on Fridays,

484
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:25,560
a security guard to direct traffic that's typical, so like

485
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,620
many churches do, they have a security guard on staff that will direct traffic.

486
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:41,160
And that's really the layout, it's pretty simple, I know there are a lot of people who

487
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,700
will protest because it's a mosque.

488
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,260
I understand that.

489
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:50,540
I'm a grew up a Baptist kid in Dallas, Texas.

490
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,400
So, you know, I get where people are coming from.

491
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,580
But, you know, I think for the purposes of what we're doing tonight,

492
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,460
it's a zoning issue.

493
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,460
There's a church next to us.

494
00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:08,080
And that's really what we have to focus on.

495
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,800
Well, and there's gonna be a lot of questions

496
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,680
There's a lot of things are going to come up and a lot of things that there will be some repeats and so I know what an other item is going to be discussed is the

497
00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:19,040
I think it's called call for praying

498
00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:26,760
Okay, the noise that might occur on that. Can you tell us about that? Sure, and so I kind of allow to everybody can hear because that's what they're going to be very good

499
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,920
They're very quiet. I don't I don't think that there's

500
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:34,100
Now see that's this is the stuff you don't want to do, okay?

501
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,780
Because you're just going to prolong it because I'm not going to have to interrupt you and say be quiet. So go ahead

502
00:36:37,780 --> 00:36:48,420
But all of the prayers are within the walls of the mosque, and I can't imagine that it's

503
00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:55,980
any louder than any Christian church that I've been in, I mean, they're prayers when

504
00:36:55,980 --> 00:36:58,940
they pray or are very, very silent.

505
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:07,000
So I don't know anything that happens there that would create any kind of noise in the sense.

506
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:15,040
So they're going to be any external speakers now times anything like that.

507
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:16,160
No, thank you.

508
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,080
No, there's not.

509
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:24,300
There's nothing that would broadcast the message or anything outside the walls of the building.

510
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,140
Okay.

511
00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:28,640
And see this from what I did my own research.

512
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,000
They actually, and I don't know anything about it.

513
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:33,000
Really other than what I read on internet and stuff.

514
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,160
So, so they, they aren't gonna be inside broadcast.

515
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,800
It's a certain thing on speakers like J.D.

516
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,340
was saying where you can get here at all over the world.

517
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,400
Yes, there's something that we saw online.

518
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,100
It maybe happens other places, but my understanding,

519
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,600
I'm not really familiar with the ones in Tulsa,

520
00:37:46,820 --> 00:37:49,200
but don't they have a similar setup and design

521
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,120
to where it's not heard out doors?

522
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,840
Yeah, it's, I don't, I can't imagine

523
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,280
why it would ever be heard.

524
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,160
Yeah, it's kind of like a dress that.

525
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,980
I don't want to go to the office.

526
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,600
This is a point of topic and discussion that I knew we would get into and we're a little

527
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:07,940
premature.

528
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:13,760
So I know he's going to help you present, but at the same time, I'd also don't want us to

529
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,760
get stuck on this yet.

530
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,040
I know we're going to have a lot of people who bring it up, so I would also note that the

531
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,940
city has a noise warden, a noise warder, to regulate any type of noise.

532
00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:26,660
But a lot of this stuff I want to go ahead and bring out because these people don't want

533
00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:28,520
to come up and ask about it.

534
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,400
Maybe, hey, I heard something that I don't really need to talk about, or maybe I want to add something to it.

535
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,120
So go ahead.

536
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:46,760
My name is Aslam Siyad, and I live at 7132 East 86th Street in Tulsa, and I attend the prayers to out of the five daily prayers at the Islamic Society of Tulsa,

537
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,100
which is in the neighborhood behind Sam's club on 44th and Sheridan.

538
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,620
Irvings in Street, I think it is.

539
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,640
Irvings in Street, I think it is.

540
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,340
Exactly at 4630 South Irvington Avenue.

541
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:10,480
And I'm also part of the leadership there and we don't have for the past 25 years we've never even thought about adding a speaker outside and we have never had this problem

542
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:20,440
We live in a neighborhood. We are the mosque is in a neighborhood surrounded by all the residential houses and nobody has ever complain about that.

543
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:28,160
So this is next to a church and the other side is the turnpike.

544
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:34,020
So I don't imagine that's good to hear because there was a lot of comments on social

545
00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:34,740
media and stuff.

546
00:39:34,780 --> 00:39:35,300
Address to that.

547
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:37,040
I'm sure a lot of people have a concern out there.

548
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,340
I'm not saying it's going to be approved, but maybe that could be something in the motion

549
00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:45,180
also if it was for approval to include something about it.

550
00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:50,420
I know there's noise ordinance, but actually, since it is a conditional use permit, the

551
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:55,140
the council can create other development standards in their correct, correct.

552
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:56,340
So, okay.

553
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,400
Anyway, thank you.

554
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,000
And if there's anything else that is going to be,

555
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,700
it's going to be a concern of people driving fast or something like that,

556
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:09,580
but we try to control all of that.

557
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,600
You know, we try to keep our messaging where

558
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,900
do not bother your neighbors, do not be, you know,

559
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,900
doing anything that is hurtful to the neighbors.

560
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:48,880
And, you know, we've demonstrated this for the last 25 years in Tulsa and we've outgrown that space and these are all, I mean, the questions that were raised online on different forums were, where's the money coming from and all that, I mean irrelevant to this hearing, but I'm just here to say that this is all the doctors and engineers and everybody else, whoever is here in Tulsa, the Muslim community, they have raised this money ten years ago to purchase this land and we didn't have fun.

561
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:54,980
to build anything for the past 10 years and now we're embarking on it because we collected

562
00:40:54,980 --> 00:41:00,280
some money from our own people. So this year I thought you had purchased it 14 years ago or so.

563
00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:05,320
It's 2014 is when we purchased it. Okay and you're just waiting to get money together to build

564
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:11,100
that. Yes, and it was a slow collection as you can imagine, you know, we're not. We're just a few

565
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:28,560
thousand people around in Tulsa, so it just took time, but eventually, with the different populations migrating, I think, there's more influx in and now we need a second place of worship, as far as you're going to have both active then.

566
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,820
So you're not moving the operations from Irvington to this one.

567
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:43,920
It's going to be a relief for that location in Tulsa that we're going to be dividing up the number of people because the people of Broken Arrow, the Muslims who live in Broken Arrow,

568
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:56,040
they're all driving up to the Tulsa mosque and so especially in Ramadan, that's where we see the problem and now this will relieve us from that parking pressure.

569
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:03,680
Plus, the Islamic Society of Tulsa, we've got 380 parking spaces, and we're accommodating

570
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:12,600
all the people from Tulsa, Broken Arrow, Jinks, and even from north, up north from OASO,

571
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:20,420
but now with this, with the 700 or almost 700 parking spaces, in the second center,

572
00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:25,040
we imagine that at least for the next 20 years we will not have any parking issues.

573
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,260
You know, the one on Irvington's gated, isn't it?

574
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:27,620
It is.

575
00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:29,040
Will this one be gated also?

576
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:29,760
Fancy gated?

577
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:30,360
It was also.

578
00:42:31,220 --> 00:42:32,000
The firm's permit.

579
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:34,840
OK, so down the road, then to do that.

580
00:42:35,260 --> 00:42:35,460
OK.

581
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,320
Yeah, because the one in Irvington did not have the gated,

582
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,980
did not have the fence in the beginning.

583
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:41,540
Mm-hmm.

584
00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:44,300
We added it about 15 years ago, I think.

585
00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:45,000
Yeah.

586
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:46,700
OK.

587
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:50,180
He's still got a couple, I think, a couple of minutes left.

588
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,300
If I could throw in a couple of more questions,

589
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:57,480
But I understand it is, you're the architect, does that mean that we aren't going to get

590
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:03,240
really any specific information on the commercial development tonight or that we have anyone

591
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:04,080
who can speak to anything.

592
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:07,360
There hasn't been, we haven't even discussed it.

593
00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:14,060
And the side planning piece of and to say that, yeah, we at some point in the future we'd like to

594
00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:14,640
have that.

595
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:15,040
Okay.

596
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:21,800
in front of the main street, but as far as the way it looks, we haven't discussed that.

597
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,800
Well, and that would be the only tax revenue for the City of Broken Arrow, right?

598
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:25,860
The Marshall Correct, so.

599
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:31,280
And I have some questions about that, but perhaps we're not quite there yet on that section of it.

600
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:39,120
But thank you again for both of you both for your explanations, especially yours on the peak of traffic times

601
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,240
because I don't want to assume that everyone knows everyone in here right now knows when

602
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:49,840
mosque, peak traffic takes place. I personally wasn't really aware to just just

603
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:55,900
hear recently, and I appreciate you speaking to that, but also I wanted to ask

604
00:43:55,900 --> 00:44:00,760
you since you are an architect. What does that, how do you feel about the, you

605
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,780
mentioned there would be phases in this project would be developed in, but I've

606
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:11,420
seen phases get paused, I've seen phases, fills a lot, and things get half way done

607
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:13,700
for a while, and obviously it becomes a public nuisance

608
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:15,640
and it's an eye source.

609
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,000
So what can you say to that any concerns

610
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,260
that people might have saying, hey, if it is going,

611
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:23,360
how do we make sure it goes and goes beautifully?

612
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,040
That's a really good question,

613
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,080
because the Islamic community builds everything out of pocket.

614
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:35,460
They don't go to the bank and get a loan

615
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:39,180
so that everything they have is paid for by the time it's built.

616
00:44:39,180 --> 00:44:47,640
I have done, I guess this is 12 now. Most of them in North Texas, this is the first one in

617
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:53,140
Oklahoma that I've done, but all of the ones that we've done previously have done the same thing.

618
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:59,960
They'll start with the money they have on hand and they've been collecting money for this for a while.

619
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,780
But once they start construction on what we're calling phase one, which will look like a nice finished product,

620
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:17,080
that will in turn generate a lot of donations for the remainder of it.

621
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:23,980
like anybody else, they began to donate money when they see progress in the past.

622
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:27,380
And that's just our general human nature.

623
00:45:28,540 --> 00:45:37,680
So I have yet to be involved in one that didn't collect the money by the time the project was complete.

624
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:41,280
And I mean several phases of the project.

625
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,420
So I'm curious.

626
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:46,720
Do you have the money to complete phase one?

627
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,420
I don't know what their funding is at this point, how are we?

628
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,400
We are in the process of collecting that.

629
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:55,740
We don't have it at this point.

630
00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:58,360
So you got a percentage of it.

631
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:04,480
We have the pledges and we are looking to start when...

632
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:10,400
Our timing is to match when the architecture and the civil engineering work is done by that time.

633
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:16,620
if at least we got 50% of the construction cost is when we're going to start.

634
00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:22,140
But what I understand is, and not correct me if I'm wrong, but you have two years to actually

635
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:28,240
activate, get something going out there. Otherwise, for the mosque itself, for this

636
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,240
condition, you can use permit to be active. Otherwise it expires and you have to come for the

637
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:38,360
planning commission. If you waited three, if it was approved and you waited three years,

638
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,320
No, it's expired so you've got to come for the board again.

639
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,720
Yeah, I think we're way before that.

640
00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:49,200
I mean, we wait at 10 years and we're going to start only when we have something.

641
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:51,700
And I would like to say again, since this,

642
00:46:51,780 --> 00:46:55,400
that conceptuality has been up there quite a while now tonight,

643
00:46:55,940 --> 00:46:57,380
that even though we see that,

644
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,880
that we're not, we're not locked into that.

645
00:47:00,140 --> 00:47:02,200
Okay, tonight we're hearing a zoning issue,

646
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:04,240
and we're also hearing a conceptual,

647
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,340
I mean, a conditional unit.

648
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:17,140
Conditional use permit. I'm getting mixed up from the old ones. So we have a CUP. I'm going to call it which is SP. But anyway, so we have a zoning and we have the conditional use permit.

649
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:26,220
We aren't really looking at a rendering or anything like that. Other than they did provide that out of courtesy, but that doesn't mean they're locked into what you're seeing on this area right now.

650
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:31,560
I just want everybody to know that in case if it was approved, I'm not saying it's going to be if it was approved.

651
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,020
three years from now may look something different, that's because they may have changed or

652
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:37,980
designed when they went through the engineering process.

653
00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:40,120
I just want our Biden know that stuff.

654
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:40,800
Go ahead.

655
00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:41,360
Great.

656
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Well, I don't want to, you know, be labor, our presentation, but, you know, this is our schematic.

657
00:47:53,660 --> 00:48:00,440
The plan is not to disturb the limits of the floodplain and the back.

658
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:07,240
We don't want to deal with that right now, there may come a time in the future where there might be some expansion back there.

659
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:25,200
I don't know, there's no plans for that, so it is on a septic system, so we'll have to have septic out there, so we'll have our own sewer system out there.

660
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:33,260
the building will be sprinkled, fire department has, has and will have great access, so I think

661
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:38,980
all of the technical components will be, either arm add or will be met when we go through

662
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:41,560
the side-planings phase with the civil engineers

663
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:48,590
and detention if it's required will also provide.

664
00:48:49,390 --> 00:48:51,510
About 20 minutes get that 10 minutes then.

665
00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:55,490
So we'll go ahead and open this up.

666
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:58,870
We have a lot of people that's going to want to talk, and so I'm sure there'll be some items

667
00:48:58,870 --> 00:49:01,870
you wish to talk about.

668
00:49:02,010 --> 00:49:03,130
We've got whatever your question.

669
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:07,330
Bear with us for about three hours, so we'll give you another shot out here a little bit.

670
00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:08,310
All right.

671
00:49:08,490 --> 00:49:09,030
Thank you.

672
00:49:09,090 --> 00:49:13,930
Hopefully it's not too late for me to drive back home to Oklahoma City, so you may get

673
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:14,670
in a room.

674
00:49:15,610 --> 00:49:17,090
We have great hotels here.

675
00:49:18,070 --> 00:49:23,090
So again, I do want to mention again, but just let you know that we got two items before

676
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:31,770
so that we got the zoning and they're wanting to go from what is agriculture and flood to CG commercial general to flood.

677
00:49:32,730 --> 00:49:39,090
So that CG allows that retail to be off all of the street and the conditional use condolency.

678
00:49:40,310 --> 00:49:42,930
Conditional use per minute, I keep getting that mixed up.

679
00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:48,130
That is associated with the mosque itself that they're asking for so those are two separate items

680
00:49:48,130 --> 00:49:53,910
So my recommendation would be for us to not whether it's approved or deny would be to make two separate motions

681
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:57,290
One for the zoning to prove or deny and if it's denied

682
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:59,790
I don't think you have to worry about the condition you use permit

683
00:49:59,790 --> 00:50:05,170
But if you approve of the zoning then I would recommend that we do a separate motion for the

684
00:50:05,170 --> 00:50:07,990
Mosque if that's what you want to prove the condition you's permit

685
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:10,650
If you do it to microphone

686
00:50:11,970 --> 00:50:13,710
They got to hear you back there.

687
00:50:14,770 --> 00:50:25,190
If for some reason it was not approved we would also have to have a conditional use permit to build the mosque in agricultural.

688
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:36,470
So since that's a separate vote could that not go ahead and be granted with it.

689
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:43,230
possibly could I would ask staff if it's that condition use permit for this could use could fall into the

690
00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:47,770
AG itself as yes. I would have to double check on that. I don't have a chart.

691
00:50:47,850 --> 00:50:48,470
I need to remember.

692
00:50:48,830 --> 00:50:55,390
Yeah, it's a it's a standalone issue as I understand it so I would think that it would be

693
00:50:55,390 --> 00:50:55,690
applicable.

694
00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:59,970
The only reason why I was thinking they ought to be separate and that the the condition use

695
00:50:59,970 --> 00:51:06,090
permit should not piggyback because if the zoning was was approved or denied, there would

696
00:51:06,090 --> 00:51:10,610
use on the condition use permit unless you are going to do it for the AG and I don't know if we

697
00:51:10,610 --> 00:51:16,110
would want to continue that or what to come back I don't know. Okay probably. Yeah and and I think

698
00:51:16,110 --> 00:51:23,370
we would like that if we could get the conditional use permit on whether it passes or not. I think

699
00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:30,350
are the biggest thing that would be different about whether it passed or not is that retail piece in

700
00:51:30,350 --> 00:51:35,550
But I've taken an action on the on the zoning request whether it's approved or denied

701
00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:40,870
it allows you to move on to the city council whether it's a recommended body whether

702
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:45,170
it goes to them with approval recommended for approval or if we deny it you could

703
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:48,850
appeal it to the city council. So it doesn't slow down the train if that makes sense.

704
00:51:48,850 --> 00:51:52,550
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I hope I said that right.

705
00:51:52,550 --> 00:51:58,390
But yeah, I think that it makes sense, some sense,

706
00:51:58,390 --> 00:52:02,350
that whether it passed or did not, to go ahead

707
00:52:02,350 --> 00:52:07,250
and vote either pass or fail on the conditional use permit

708
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:09,150
because that would be required.

709
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:12,290
And you are the cultural zoning to build as well.

710
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:14,950
So then you agree or agree that they should probably

711
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:15,810
two different motions?

712
00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:16,430
Yes.

713
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:16,910
OK.

714
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:17,450
Yes.

715
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:21,610
You have no plans on tying into the city's sewer at all.

716
00:52:21,610 --> 00:52:25,750
Well, no, because there's no city sewer anywhere close to us.

717
00:52:25,830 --> 00:52:28,630
I mean, I want to say it's homozyze here.

718
00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:33,670
I think it's like 1,900 feet or 1,200 feet or something from us.

719
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:40,750
From my recollection, I think the closest sewer infrastructure is towards the south on two

720
00:52:40,750 --> 00:52:42,650
on, 130 first.

721
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:45,750
There is some development taking place.

722
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:52,550
Of course, with the trails that has been created from them correctly, that apartment complex has some sewer facilities.

723
00:52:53,710 --> 00:53:03,850
There's potential for development of the parcel to the west of that, so in between that apartment complex and this parcel that's under consideration today.

724
00:53:04,110 --> 00:53:07,090
There's some potential for that property being developed in the near future.

725
00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:14,070
As a part of that development, they would have to, of course, also build out the sewer system for that development.

726
00:53:14,070 --> 00:53:16,810
it's a potential single-family residential development.

727
00:53:17,710 --> 00:53:20,750
However, whether or not that infrastructure

728
00:53:21,570 --> 00:53:24,530
will be accessible to the mosque,

729
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:27,710
that will depend on that development itself

730
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:28,890
on how they develop it.

731
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:32,550
So yeah, so currently is no sewer seditors

732
00:53:32,550 --> 00:53:34,870
who are within processing access for example.

733
00:53:35,070 --> 00:53:37,990
So our plan is to use septic now.

734
00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:42,510
We'll keep in touch with any development, like Jose said,

735
00:53:42,510 --> 00:53:44,310
it's going on adjacent to the city.

736
00:53:44,310 --> 00:53:49,270
If there's some potential to share costs and get city sewer, we'd love to do that.

737
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:51,970
The fashion of his showstopper, so no, it's not.

738
00:53:53,970 --> 00:53:56,670
The city standard is any sewer within 300 feet.

739
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:57,910
They have to tie in two.

740
00:53:59,790 --> 00:54:00,070
All right.

741
00:54:00,110 --> 00:54:01,150
Thanks a lot.

742
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:03,850
So I guess we'll open that as a public hearing.

743
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:08,270
And Jay Lee, since I'm not a regular reader, she's going to actually call

744
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:09,210
the names, right?

745
00:54:09,210 --> 00:54:10,250
We have a bunch of what?

746
00:54:10,310 --> 00:54:11,050
Three or four?

747
00:54:11,050 --> 00:54:15,630
100? No. We have a bunch of people that want to speak. You have three minutes to talk.

748
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:20,390
Whether you're forward or against it, and she'll call your name. And I guess you have one

749
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:25,170
you call a second name for some of my own deck or something? Yes, I will. Yeah, I'll explain the system.

750
00:54:25,570 --> 00:54:34,850
So, I will read those, well, I won't read the emails, but just for starters,

751
00:54:34,850 --> 00:54:39,250
The city of Broken Arrow had a total of 68 calls.

752
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:46,290
They had 150 emails, six in favor, 144 in opposition.

753
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:50,650
They had, please hold your applause.

754
00:54:53,720 --> 00:55:00,000
They had several people sign up, not to speak, 45 in favor.

755
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:10,760
177 opposed. Please do not vlog. Thank you. So that whole stack is

756
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:16,800
that whole stack is they don't want to talk for in favor and opposed.

757
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:21,490
Now I have the other

758
00:55:21,490 --> 00:55:26,850
stack and the way this works is I'm going to call the first person's name that I'm

759
00:55:26,850 --> 00:55:31,990
going to call person that's on deck. So those out in the hallway and those in the

760
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:38,830
floor room. Please be listening for your name. So if you are on deck, you can start moving

761
00:55:38,830 --> 00:55:47,030
this way. So the first person that wished to speak and in favor is Phil Armstrong, the

762
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:54,750
person on deck, which would come after Phil, is Muhammad and I am so sorry if I mispronounced

763
00:55:54,750 --> 00:56:03,630
names, a T-SAM, so the first person, if you would come forward, Phil Armstrong, where do you

764
00:56:03,630 --> 00:56:09,510
want on deck to be positioned? They can just come anywhere in here, just someplace close.

765
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:16,610
And Phil, you will have three minutes, please state your name and address. So I will say

766
00:56:16,610 --> 00:56:20,270
I hear some noise. Somebody get their cell phone walking TV or something or what's going on.

767
00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:22,910
here, you don't hear that, let me do.

768
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:27,470
Well, if we have to, we'll shut the doors, just so we, I mean, I don't want to cause a bunch

769
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:28,030
of interruptions.

770
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:31,810
So if you got any things going on, we'll shut the door if you're outside, we'll just have

771
00:56:31,810 --> 00:56:33,190
you run early, the room.

772
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:36,110
So Muhammad, I do not see you coming in.

773
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:40,390
So if you are here in present, please start moving forward.

774
00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:43,110
Mr. Armstrong, floorgers.

775
00:56:44,110 --> 00:56:44,510
Good evening.

776
00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:49,890
I am Phil Armstrong, address 2219 East 11th Street to Tulsa, Oklahoma.

777
00:56:51,210 --> 00:56:53,770
Good evening, commissioners, and thank you for allowing me to speak.

778
00:56:54,510 --> 00:57:01,010
I am Phil Armstrong, President and CEO of OCCJ, an organization that has existed in

779
00:57:01,010 --> 00:57:07,770
Oklahoma since 1958, formerly known as the National Conference of Christians and Jews.

780
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:13,590
Prior to this current position, I was the founding director of the Greenwood Rising Black

781
00:57:13,590 --> 00:57:20,150
Wall Street History Center that was opened in June of 2021 in historic Greenwood of Tulsa,

782
00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:20,610
Oklahoma.

783
00:57:21,370 --> 00:57:29,050
I became quite attuned to building a structure that stoked a wide array of emotions and

784
00:57:29,050 --> 00:57:29,670
controversy.

785
00:57:30,550 --> 00:57:35,710
Since it's opening over 150,000 people from around this state, country, and from around

786
00:57:35,710 --> 00:57:42,390
the world, not only come to learn about the tragic events of May 31st, 1921, but the

787
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:47,990
faith, hope, and resilience of a community that turned tragedy into a triumph.

788
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:56,650
Today I'm asking you to see this project not just as bricks and mortar, but also as

789
00:57:56,650 --> 00:58:01,610
a symbol of who we are and who we aspire to be and that is community.

790
00:58:02,310 --> 00:58:07,090
Our Muslim neighbors are already part of the heart beat of this community we call green

791
00:58:07,090 --> 00:58:15,070
country, they are teachers, doctors, business owners, and parents. They volunteer in our schools,

792
00:58:15,550 --> 00:58:21,630
they serve in our hospitals, and they contribute to the strength of our economy. Yet many

793
00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:26,610
of them lack an adequate and modern space to gather to worship and celebrate life's milestones.

794
00:58:27,530 --> 00:58:33,910
Imagine a place where families share meals across cultural lines, where conversations replace

795
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:41,550
misconceptions. That is what this center promises, a home for dialogue, understanding, and

796
00:58:41,550 --> 00:58:47,450
friendship. Approving this project sends a message. A message that says the city of Broken Arrow

797
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:54,510
is a city where diversity is not a challenge to overcome but a strength to embrace. At a time

798
00:58:54,510 --> 00:58:59,370
when headlines often divide us, you have the chance to write a different story, one of Unity,

799
00:58:59,370 --> 00:59:08,630
compassion and hope. The free exchange of ideas, something that Charlie Kirkospaused, is not

800
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:15,510
just a principle. It is a lifeblood of a thriving community. This center will be a place

801
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:20,690
where ideas, cultures, and friendship flow freely. This mosque and community center will not

802
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:26,310
only serve Muslims. It will serve us all. And I say that as an ordained Christian minister,

803
00:59:26,310 --> 00:59:30,030
serving as an associate at Metropolitan Baptist Church of Tulsa.

804
00:59:30,590 --> 00:59:33,050
So I ask you from the heart to approve this project.

805
00:59:33,550 --> 00:59:36,770
Let's choose understanding over fear, love, over division.

806
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:39,930
Let's build something that future generations will look and say,

807
00:59:40,250 --> 00:59:41,790
this is what community looks like.

808
00:59:42,070 --> 00:59:44,350
Thank you for your time and for considering what this means.

809
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:47,510
Not just for today, but for the future that we share.

810
00:59:47,730 --> 00:59:48,330
Thank you.

811
00:59:49,310 --> 00:59:51,650
I do have a sheet that was marked.

812
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:55,670
Do not wish to speak and wish to speak.

813
00:59:56,310 --> 00:59:59,610
So it's Sean Murray, since Mohammed did not show.

814
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:09,620
Okay,

815
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:22,600
we're moving on. So next person is going to be Sherry Thomas.

816
01:00:24,740 --> 01:00:34,880
And then the person after her on deck is going to be Colby Palmer. So Sherry Thomas, where if Colby Palmer gets here first, you can come.

817
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,880
Thank you.

818
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:36,500
Yeah.

819
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:36,900
Come on.

820
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:37,480
Go ahead Colby.

821
01:00:42,910 --> 01:00:44,850
So Shari Thomas is on deck.

822
01:00:45,490 --> 01:00:50,410
You all do, by the way, you do not have to say your address when you come up to speak.

823
01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:51,190
Okay.

824
01:00:51,730 --> 01:00:52,030
Thank you.

825
01:00:52,050 --> 01:00:53,570
That was my first question.

826
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:55,390
Just say your name and thank you.

827
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:57,910
Anyway, my name is Colby Palmer.

828
01:00:58,170 --> 01:01:00,530
I've lived in Broken Arrow as long as I can remember.

829
01:01:01,430 --> 01:01:07,810
Like many of you, I was raised in a Christian household and understand the importance of religious freedom for the people here in Oklahoma.

830
01:01:07,810 --> 01:01:08,810
I've

831
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,360
met many hardworking homens from many religious backgrounds, whether they be Christian,

832
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,440
Jew, Muslim, or any other religion.

833
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:24,140
I've met many members of Tulsa's Muslim community.

834
01:01:24,660 --> 01:01:29,060
They're kind, charitable, and they're kind, charitable, and peace-loving community.

835
01:01:29,140 --> 01:01:29,880
I did a good job.

836
01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:30,420
Take a breath.

837
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:31,780
Thank you.

838
01:01:34,070 --> 01:01:40,610
Who have proven that they are willing to come out and help support the entire community.

839
01:01:41,350 --> 01:01:51,810
Even though I may not be Muslim, I still support their right to practice their religion the same way I support yours or anyone else's here.

840
01:01:53,410 --> 01:01:58,050
Should we not support each other's freedom regardless of their religious beliefs?

841
01:01:59,090 --> 01:02:00,490
I say yes.

842
01:02:01,150 --> 01:02:05,050
Love by neighbor applies to people of all faiths.

843
01:02:08,730 --> 01:02:15,910
Thank you. You did a good job. Okay, so Shari Thomas please and next on deck is going to be Nathan Forest.

844
01:02:21,470 --> 01:02:25,110
Oh, okay, then you will be on deck.

845
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:28,200
You can go ahead.

846
01:02:28,420 --> 01:02:28,700
Okay, Shari.

847
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,040
Just take your name for us please.

848
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:30,500
Yes, please.

849
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,360
I don't have much of a voice today. Sorry.

850
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,100
My name is Shari Thomas.

851
01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:39,240
11, 16, North Highland Drive, Broken Arrow.

852
01:02:41,060 --> 01:02:42,960
Thank you for letting us speak.

853
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:56,760
We do not need or want another Dearborn Michigan no go zone or epic city, which is East Plano Islamic Center near Plano Texas.

854
01:02:57,740 --> 01:03:02,420
In Islam, this is a symbolic claiming or taking over.

855
01:03:02,620 --> 01:03:09,920
It is not simply a building, but an attempt to establish a many epic city in Procanero.

856
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,120
These are not simply immigrants.

857
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,980
Islam rejects our laws, our culture, and our customs.

858
01:03:20,020 --> 01:03:25,220
By their own writings, their intent is to take over and impose their laws

859
01:03:25,220 --> 01:03:32,420
Sharia, not emiss, assimilate, and embrace or comply to our constitution or our culture.

860
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:38,140
Islam is completely incompatible with our constitution.

861
01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:47,640
Please do not embrace PC, woke, abdication of our responsibilities as citizens and have common sense

862
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:54,720
discernment of the Islamic ideology and put a stop to this, or like Germany, we will

863
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:59,720
acquiesce and allow this to destroy us in our culture and time.

864
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:09,300
The job of our government, you, our leaders, is to protect its citizens, our culture,

865
01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:17,400
our legal interests, citizens' rights, and freedoms, not to pander to those hostile to

866
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:18,440
our Constitution.

867
01:04:19,140 --> 01:04:26,100
By their own writings, their hostile invaders, let us be kind and share the love of Jesus

868
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:27,000
with these people.

869
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:33,480
But, we must be strong and stand up for our culture, our laws, and our history.

870
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:42,740
As Elon must said, if tolerance means the end of Western civilisation, we cannot be tolerant.

871
01:04:43,660 --> 01:04:49,180
This may seem alarmist, but be aware of Islamic teaching and history.

872
01:04:49,740 --> 01:04:56,140
Let's not be like the frog that was slowly boiled to death by our naivety or apathy.

873
01:04:56,140 --> 01:05:05,720
this is a Christian nation, Islam is incompatible with Christianity, Islam is incompatible with our constitution.

874
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:07,980
Thank you.

875
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,820
All right.

876
01:05:11,380 --> 01:05:14,860
Now, if you remember what I said earlier, we need to keep, you know,

877
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:17,860
that's kind of stuff really we're not looking at for the zoning change.

878
01:05:18,020 --> 01:05:19,400
The conditional use permit, okay.

879
01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:25,300
We're looking at land use, is this, is this, for the land use itself, is it good for the land use change?

880
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:31,060
is it like the traffic, the drainage, things like that. Okay? The other step, that's not what we're

881
01:05:31,060 --> 01:05:37,240
looking at tonight. So, I pay that. All righty. So, coming up is going to be Sean Murray and

882
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,120
on deck is Nathan Forest.

883
01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:51,790
Islam means submit and lots of people don't want to submit to this

884
01:05:52,370 --> 01:06:00,770
idea, this way of life that they espouse in their religion. There's been a lot of talk about

885
01:06:02,050 --> 01:06:10,410
the issues like can we, you know, will it, we have sewage the crowd, the crowds, they're there.

886
01:06:11,850 --> 01:06:16,610
But that's, I think most of these people are here because it's a cultural issue.

887
01:06:16,790 --> 01:06:20,190
And we don't want that imposed on our kids.

888
01:06:20,430 --> 01:06:25,790
I have a daughter who's 15 years old. I don't want this, this ideology imposed on her.

889
01:06:25,790 --> 01:06:32,190
It is on unconstitutional. They have a sworn oath, if you look at any of the documentation,

890
01:06:32,650 --> 01:06:39,870
and any of the Muslim countries, they are not open to this idea that we're trying to pretend

891
01:06:39,870 --> 01:06:47,670
to exist where we're open to everybody's way of life. And we're just going to come by all together

892
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:56,490
and get along, there's one against our ideas and I think that's what most of the people

893
01:06:56,490 --> 01:07:05,650
are supporting is they don't want the cultural change here and if they don't, I'm one

894
01:07:05,650 --> 01:07:10,930
of those people because like the lady said before, it is incompatible with our Constitution

895
01:07:11,590 --> 01:07:17,530
if you're for a women's rights, that's out the window and there's several women here on the

896
01:07:17,530 --> 01:07:26,670
not support the rights of women at all. So, yeah, that's why I stand against it. There's

897
01:07:26,670 --> 01:07:37,030
lots of things that we could, we might be able to make happen on a logistical plane. Like, yeah,

898
01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:40,410
we might be able to get sewage and all that stuff, but I think it's a little bit more than that.

899
01:07:40,530 --> 01:07:45,570
I think it's the cultural impact that this will have on our community, and I think 90% of these

900
01:07:45,570 --> 01:07:50,430
people here probably are not for that, and I think that ought to be taken into consideration

901
01:07:50,430 --> 01:07:54,910
since it's the constituents that the City Council is supposed to be supporting,

902
01:07:56,970 --> 01:07:57,150
and that's

903
01:07:57,150 --> 01:08:04,090
not, this kind of ideology doesn't back up a Christian religion, I'm a Christian, and they

904
01:08:04,090 --> 01:08:09,270
are completely opposed to this. I think the lawyer that spoke at first said something about,

905
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:17,270
In the past 25 years, there hasn't been a problem with a specific mosque, but I think a lot of people

906
01:08:17,270 --> 01:08:39,250
remember a lot of problems that have come about due to Islam in the last 25 years, and I don't think people

907
01:08:39,250 --> 01:08:41,930
OK, so I'm getting ready to say something.

908
01:08:42,350 --> 01:08:43,670
OK, so.

909
01:08:43,670 --> 01:08:44,070
Yeah.

910
01:08:44,810 --> 01:08:45,450
I had.

911
01:08:45,830 --> 01:08:47,530
No, I'm getting ready to say something, Mr. Brown.

912
01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:50,350
The kind of stuff that was just mentioned

913
01:08:50,350 --> 01:08:52,330
in the last two speakers, and I'll tell you right now,

914
01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:54,730
there's nothing in the ordinance that I know it.

915
01:08:54,850 --> 01:08:56,890
And I don't think the attorney's going to find anything.

916
01:08:57,050 --> 01:09:00,030
That says whether we could approve or deny,

917
01:09:00,230 --> 01:09:01,710
based on what you're just saying.

918
01:09:02,310 --> 01:09:04,310
I mean, that's your belief, so we understand that.

919
01:09:04,410 --> 01:09:06,090
But we have to have something solid that's

920
01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:08,470
in our zoning door, and it's for us to deny or approve.

921
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:18,150
And right now, we're not here anything, and that's what I'm trying to tell you, is based on just your belief that what you see on social media and stuff like that, it doesn't work for what we're doing.

922
01:09:18,670 --> 01:09:24,910
What it needs to be is things again, and I'm not going to read the list again, but it needs to be related to the land use itself.

923
01:09:25,250 --> 01:09:32,110
Does it fit as a combatable? The use, not the type of the individuals, what they speak or anything like that.

924
01:09:32,670 --> 01:09:36,330
Does that make sense what I'm saying there? Think about it.

925
01:09:36,330 --> 01:09:44,330
We have to be able to, it's got to be certain, I can't think of the word that we need tangible that we could use, not just what you read on Facebook, things like that.

926
01:09:45,630 --> 01:09:52,670
Okay, so if you find something in a zone you're doing, it says, hey, they can't do that because of this, we don't think you should do it. We'll listen to that.

927
01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:55,890
No, no, you'll have to wait, we'll call your name.

928
01:09:56,630 --> 01:10:05,410
Okay, so right now, I'm not seeing Nathan for us, so next person in line is Gabriel McGlennsey McGlennsey.

929
01:10:07,710 --> 01:10:14,890
First, non-deck after Gabriel is going to be Mercedes, Clay Wine,

930
01:10:16,930 --> 01:10:24,510
come on ahead, Mercedes, you can come ahead and speak, and then after that is going to be Randall Stickney, Randall Stickney,

931
01:10:30,660 --> 01:10:32,100
please stay your name Mercedes.

932
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:33,920
Hi, my name is Mercedes-Gliving.

933
01:10:36,140 --> 01:10:36,860
Yes, hi.

934
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:42,140
I was raised Christian Southern Baptist out in the country near a small town called Perleton

935
01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:42,660
Oklahoma.

936
01:10:43,780 --> 01:10:45,740
I went to school in Cleveland, Oklahoma.

937
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:51,240
I graduated valedictorian as a member of the National Honor Society and received full scholarship

938
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,500
to attend Oklahoma State University.

939
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:59,480
It was at university that I met people for the first time who practiced different religions

940
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:01,160
in the one that I grew up with.

941
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:06,000
I learned that these people were not hateful or evil.

942
01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:08,020
They were just different.

943
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:11,160
They just practiced their religion differently,

944
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,180
then my family did.

945
01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:16,620
Now some of my best friends are Muslim.

946
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,640
The people who have shown me the most kindness in my adult life

947
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,280
have been the Muslims living in Broken Arrow.

948
01:11:25,850 --> 01:11:26,630
Sorry, you're good.

949
01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:27,550
You're good.

950
01:11:27,550 --> 01:11:27,750
Okay, good.

951
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:33,710
Muslims are people.

952
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:36,110
They can be kind or cruel.

953
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:39,510
It can be rich or poor?

954
01:11:40,110 --> 01:11:40,310
Sorry.

955
01:11:41,370 --> 01:11:42,710
You do a little.

956
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:45,570
It's a little intimidating standing up there.

957
01:11:45,690 --> 01:11:46,230
We understand you.

958
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,960
They can be fatter skinny, white or brown, just like Christians.

959
01:11:53,860 --> 01:11:59,000
There are black Christians, white Christians, brown Christians, Christians from all walks of life and many different countries.

960
01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:01,120
And the same is true for Muslims.

961
01:12:02,540 --> 01:12:05,120
In America, we believe in freedom of religion.

962
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,300
I believe that Muslims deserve a place of worship just like Christians.

963
01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:14,700
We live in a place where there's a Christian church on every corner, according to various sources.

964
01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:20,880
There are somewhere between 800 Christian churches in the Tulsa metro area and yet our city

965
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,460
has only 10 mosques.

966
01:12:23,220 --> 01:12:24,040
This is not a quality.

967
01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:29,520
Why should Muslims living in Broken Arrow have to drive all the way to Tulsa in order

968
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:35,840
attend a service while Christians are able to attend any church in their neighborhood because

969
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,520
there's one on every corner. What kind of freedom do we have if we are not allowed to

970
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:45,640
worship whatever religion we want to worship? Do we have freedom of religion in this country?

971
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:51,980
Or is this freedom only reserved for the practices of Christianity and nothing else? This

972
01:12:51,980 --> 01:12:57,700
is a blatant double standard and deserves to be challenged. I'm not Muslim, but I stand

973
01:12:57,700 --> 01:12:59,740
with the Muslim community here in Broken Arrow

974
01:12:59,740 --> 01:13:01,620
and believe they deserve the same rights

975
01:13:01,620 --> 01:13:02,820
as every other American.

976
01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:04,240
Thank you.

977
01:13:04,300 --> 01:13:04,860
Thank you.

978
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,980
OK, so we need Gabriel McClick McClénzy.

979
01:13:10,260 --> 01:13:12,280
Then Randall Stickney on deck.

980
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,620
And then after Randall will be filled buyers.

981
01:13:15,260 --> 01:13:16,020
Fill buyers.

982
01:13:16,540 --> 01:13:17,220
Go ahead, Gabriel.

983
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:20,420
Thank you for the microphone, yeah.

984
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:21,640
Hold down, hold down, hold down, hold down.

985
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,600
OK, you state your name, please.

986
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,300
Gabriel McKinley.

987
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:27,680
Thank you for allowing me to voice

988
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,340
This is my concerns about this matter.

989
01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:34,960
The world has recently worn witness to the emergence of the new geopolitical phenomenon that

990
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:41,600
is the declaration of Islamic State by specific Islamic organizations.

991
01:13:42,340 --> 01:13:48,800
Examples include the Taliban's proclamation of a state subject to Shahar law.

992
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:56,580
And Afghanistan in the 1990s, Hamas rule in the Gaza Strip in 2006, Boko Haram's declaration

993
01:13:56,580 --> 01:14:00,480
and the Islamic caliphate in Nigeria in 2014

994
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:04,160
and ISIS declaration of an Islamic caliphate

995
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:08,160
in large portions of the notions of Iraq and Syria.

996
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:10,760
All of these ignored political borders

997
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,760
and laws of the nation.

998
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:16,800
And instead of simply declared their own separate state

999
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,160
under rule and authority of Islam.

1000
01:14:19,660 --> 01:14:24,100
These Islamic states are after claiming their terrorist

1001
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:36,560
Then utilize this area or region, they have claimed to achieve the social, legal, religious, financial, and more control over all who live within that claimed territory.

1002
01:14:37,460 --> 01:14:54,080
The tactics of these organizations have used is first, immigrate, then reproduce, drive out resistance by playing calls of prayer for all hours, by being ungovernable and various other means.

1003
01:14:56,610 --> 01:14:59,970
Sorry, is Long Belie's that your heart a lot, is this...

1004
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,080
The Supreme State of governing rules, regardless of any local state or federal law.

1005
01:15:05,380 --> 01:15:10,060
Recently, the Oklahoma Supreme Court struck down an attempt by religious groups and political

1006
01:15:10,060 --> 01:15:14,700
groups who attempted to sneak various items into social studies curriculum.

1007
01:15:14,980 --> 01:15:21,380
My question is, for this body, if Islamic mosque is not forthcoming about its agenda,

1008
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:26,920
and is found to be attempting to bring in shahar law in order to subvert the local state

1009
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,420
federal laws, what can be and what will be done about this?

1010
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:33,780
Thank you.

1011
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:34,280
Okay.

1012
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:35,760
Randall, stick me.

1013
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:41,720
So we'll need your day.

1014
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,160
But before you get started, what did they just name for the record?

1015
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,940
But do you have anything related to the city zoning code, the land use itself,

1016
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:53,020
noise, lighting, traffic, anything like that?

1017
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:58,160
Or is it just going to be your opinion and beliefs on Muslims or whatever?

1018
01:15:58,220 --> 01:16:00,560
What is going to be as many exercises in my right as this is.

1019
01:16:00,660 --> 01:16:00,920
Okay.

1020
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:08,100
Okay, okay, but you're in real you're points will be addressed and and you can answer your question

1021
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:13,740
Yeah, yeah, I didn't answer your question right and you could you can understand that but is that points will be addressed

1022
01:16:13,740 --> 01:16:19,120
But really what you're saying there's not gonna spoil him. I decision one way or the other because you're just giving me your belief

1023
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,120
Well, I don't have to live with you. You have to live with you

1024
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:28,820
Yeah, and I'm doing just fine. Well, I thought trying to obstruct our suppressing one from expressing their values

1025
01:16:28,820 --> 01:16:30,520
That's totally fair game

1026
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,520
Thank you. But there is planning commission in language and

1027
01:16:35,660 --> 01:16:40,620
parameters as we're just to what the way that we based our outcomes and decisions on.

1028
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:43,880
We just want to make sure that you all in my fillet out if you want to express

1029
01:16:45,780 --> 01:16:46,860
something else.

1030
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:47,820
Trying to find out.

1031
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,650
First amendment is for all.

1032
01:16:50,180 --> 01:16:53,940
However, just know that there is planning commission specific.

1033
01:16:54,460 --> 01:16:55,000
I understand.

1034
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,200
Language that we look for.

1035
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:05,440
law those states that any time may be first off yeah first off you need to go ahead and

1036
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:10,540
state your name but before you do real quick just for a second Kevin Egliet is on deck

1037
01:17:10,540 --> 01:17:16,880
so we've got fill buyers and Kevin Egliet go ahead and commercial state your name please

1038
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:24,190
is this better? yep the last part of your name please for me is going

1039
01:17:24,190 --> 01:17:27,670
Randall Stickney. Thank you. I'm a retired physician. I've been in the Tulsa Metro

1040
01:17:27,670 --> 01:17:35,330
Plucks since the 1980s and I am a resident of Broken Arrow, not Tulsa, like we heard earlier.

1041
01:17:36,650 --> 01:17:41,130
The reason I'm here is that as I understand it, by Oklahoma, all the commercial zoning

1042
01:17:41,130 --> 01:17:47,810
has to take in is a mandate to believe that the surrounding community is enhanced by whatever's

1043
01:17:47,810 --> 01:17:51,810
being built. And that may not be sewage and that may not be drainage and it may not be retention

1044
01:17:51,810 --> 01:17:54,510
and ponds, but that's a pretty impellant characteristic.

1045
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:59,890
And representing the sense of broken era, ask yourself if you would like to have a mosque built

1046
01:17:59,890 --> 01:18:04,850
near your neighborhood, ask yourself what it would do to the value of your home, ask yourself

1047
01:18:04,850 --> 01:18:09,950
if you would put in a business next to that mosque from a mercantile perspective, and ask yourself

1048
01:18:09,950 --> 01:18:13,390
if you'd like to hear a call to prayer five times a day beginning at Don't finish it night.

1049
01:18:13,610 --> 01:18:18,750
I know what you've been told, I heard those statements, but the truth is, there's a principle in Islam called

1050
01:18:19,230 --> 01:18:22,290
and which you were justified in lying to infidels.

1051
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:24,810
Anytime you want, if it furtheres the cause of Allah,

1052
01:18:25,370 --> 01:18:26,810
keep that in mind and ask the people

1053
01:18:26,810 --> 01:18:28,490
in Michigan, how that worked out for them.

1054
01:18:30,230 --> 01:18:33,890
His home, his home is not a religion.

1055
01:18:34,610 --> 01:18:37,330
It's a misogynistic culture born of the rise of the

1056
01:18:37,330 --> 01:18:39,310
pedophilic war lord in around 570 AD.

1057
01:18:39,850 --> 01:18:41,730
They're great prophet, consummate his marriage

1058
01:18:41,730 --> 01:18:44,410
to a six-year-old girl when she was nine years old

1059
01:18:44,410 --> 01:18:46,770
in her own words still playing with dolls.

1060
01:18:48,010 --> 01:18:53,770
Before you call me a racist, please be aware that my dear to Pard Wife 37 years was half

1061
01:18:53,770 --> 01:18:54,170
Mexican.

1062
01:18:54,810 --> 01:18:59,010
We adopted kids from Korea, had black friends at Calming Family, Family and a black

1063
01:18:59,010 --> 01:19:04,310
white and racial couple chooses to stay with our home with their kids when they're here.

1064
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:09,930
Historically, convert, leave, or die where the choices available to non-Muslims in the

1065
01:19:09,930 --> 01:19:12,430
early years, and those principles are still in play.

1066
01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:19,550
Islam is violence, in 627 AD after the 25 day siege of Medina by Muslim forces, the

1067
01:19:19,550 --> 01:19:23,570
fending resident tribe of Jewish Arabs surrendered, expecting him to remain treatment.

1068
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:28,750
The Islamic field commander ordered all the men and all the pubescent boys to be executed

1069
01:19:28,750 --> 01:19:32,030
and he directed the enslavement of all the women and children.

1070
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:37,270
Trenches were dug, and between 600 and 900 decapitated bodies were thrown into trenches.

1071
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:43,410
the Paragon of Virtue of Ola's worship, Muhammad approved saying that it was in accordance with God's decree.

1072
01:19:44,510 --> 01:19:57,470
A French think tank reported 66,872 Islamic attacks from 1979 to 2024, with over 200,000 of those deaths in the last 10 years.

1073
01:19:58,190 --> 01:20:02,770
Currently, tens of thousands of Christians have been and are still being murdered by Muslim extremists in sub-Aherah,

1074
01:20:02,770 --> 01:20:05,250
of Africa, machetes are off on the implement of choice.

1075
01:20:06,450 --> 01:20:09,190
Aside from the burcas and heat jobs in a lack of personal freedom,

1076
01:20:09,810 --> 01:20:12,250
Islam and Sharia law does not give equal rights to women.

1077
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:14,630
I saw an Imam on TV one time.

1078
01:20:14,910 --> 01:20:17,510
It was being questioned about the corporal punishment of wives.

1079
01:20:18,050 --> 01:20:21,270
His comment was, yes, you can beat your wife,

1080
01:20:21,390 --> 01:20:23,470
but if a good Muslim would seek medical attention

1081
01:20:23,470 --> 01:20:25,110
for the wife, if she needed it afterward.

1082
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:28,240
Thank you for your time.

1083
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:30,260
I didn't get my three minutes,

1084
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:31,640
because you guys asked questions and asked questions.

1085
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,400
I asked my three minutes, I didn't get my three minutes.

1086
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:34,800
They stopped the clock.

1087
01:20:37,300 --> 01:20:40,820
We're one of the primary victims of Syracurian law and sanctioned killings.

1088
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,280
The practice of Trio, I was a Muslim to line and put it over.

1089
01:20:43,540 --> 01:20:44,220
I said that.

1090
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:44,460
Sir.

1091
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:45,080
Yes.

1092
01:20:45,420 --> 01:20:46,000
That's it.

1093
01:20:46,060 --> 01:20:46,760
Thank you for your time.

1094
01:20:46,980 --> 01:20:47,580
Thank you.

1095
01:20:50,270 --> 01:20:50,510
Okay.

1096
01:20:50,510 --> 01:20:51,250
Fill buyers.

1097
01:20:52,510 --> 01:20:53,550
Fill buyers here.

1098
01:20:55,010 --> 01:20:59,430
Then Kevin Eglie will be on deck and then Heidi Martinez.

1099
01:21:00,030 --> 01:21:00,430
I'm sorry.

1100
01:21:00,490 --> 01:21:01,590
Can we ask to close the door?

1101
01:21:01,650 --> 01:21:02,870
There's too much background.

1102
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:05,870
noise coming from the hallways in here.

1103
01:21:06,810 --> 01:21:07,930
Thank you.

1104
01:21:07,930 --> 01:21:08,610
Thank you.

1105
01:21:09,050 --> 01:21:09,770
Whenever you're ready.

1106
01:21:10,350 --> 01:21:12,750
I am filled by us.

1107
01:21:13,450 --> 01:21:17,750
I'd like to point out the first two people who spoke who were

1108
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:20,210
forth this rezoning.

1109
01:21:21,190 --> 01:21:24,110
They were able to go on about their side so that's why

1110
01:21:24,110 --> 01:21:27,530
other people feel like we get some say in that.

1111
01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:34,190
I have some things that I would mention about actual rezoning.

1112
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:40,810
I heard something about the Islamic, the Cold Prayer.

1113
01:21:41,770 --> 01:21:44,070
And yes, that would be one of my key concerns.

1114
01:21:44,150 --> 01:21:48,230
I understand there's saying that it's going to stay within the building.

1115
01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:53,410
The fellow before me was absolutely right about the doctrine of Takiya.

1116
01:21:53,410 --> 01:22:01,210
It does allow people to lie in order to promote the needs of Allah.

1117
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:04,190
So, there is that.

1118
01:22:04,330 --> 01:22:09,550
Now, the cold prayer, there is several residential areas around this area.

1119
01:22:10,170 --> 01:22:13,970
That's going to be a big deal, even if they just do it once a day.

1120
01:22:14,890 --> 01:22:18,270
So, now, yes, there are noise ordinances.

1121
01:22:18,270 --> 01:22:24,830
Well, there are no his ordinances in Dearborn, Ham Track, Michigan, in Minneapolis.

1122
01:22:25,570 --> 01:22:26,910
Now, Dallas is a problem.

1123
01:22:27,850 --> 01:22:32,090
The key is somebody has to have the backbone in force those ordinances.

1124
01:22:33,290 --> 01:22:36,050
So it may be coming,

1125
01:22:38,090 --> 01:22:43,630
fellow before me, also mentioned that the mosque would serve all people.

1126
01:22:44,270 --> 01:22:47,010
And I've got to tell you, that's just not going to happen.

1127
01:22:47,690 --> 01:22:54,370
Okay, you know, I've seen sections in the Quran that say what to do to Christians and Jews.

1128
01:22:54,670 --> 01:22:56,370
They're six of them.

1129
01:22:57,530 --> 01:23:03,790
You know, our country is based on freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

1130
01:23:04,650 --> 01:23:06,790
The Quran says nothing about that.

1131
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:08,010
That is not supported.

1132
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:12,750
So, they can't really support our U.S. Constitution.

1133
01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:20,370
Now, I've looked for imoms who have said, hey, I support the U.S. Constitution. Nothing. Nothing there.

1134
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:23,830
One thing on rezoning,

1135
01:23:26,530 --> 01:23:37,930
there is the concern of wetlands, and I've bought property before, and U.S. wildlife, flew over and said, hey, you may have a wetland.

1136
01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:40,670
So it limits what you can do.

1137
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:44,270
So I appear that needs to be a look at that.

1138
01:23:48,930 --> 01:23:53,370
I'd just say 1.2 million soldiers have given their lives

1139
01:23:53,370 --> 01:23:56,490
in this country to uphold the constitution

1140
01:23:56,890 --> 01:24:01,730
and try to give freedom to even nations that are under attack.

1141
01:24:02,990 --> 01:24:06,410
And they didn't give their lives

1142
01:24:06,410 --> 01:24:14,210
to bring people in who won't support the Constitution and I'm afraid Muslims will not.

1143
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:15,030
Thank you.

1144
01:24:15,490 --> 01:24:15,670
Thank you.

1145
01:24:15,790 --> 01:24:19,810
So we appreciate what you gave us the stuff on the noise and the wetlands.

1146
01:24:20,170 --> 01:24:21,610
That's what we work with there.

1147
01:24:22,050 --> 01:24:26,690
Kevin Igley, then on deck is going to be Heidi Martinez and then after Heidi is going

1148
01:24:26,690 --> 01:24:28,510
to be Vee Doc Sublet.

1149
01:24:30,590 --> 01:24:31,350
Please take your name.

1150
01:24:31,450 --> 01:24:32,310
My name is Kevin Igley.

1151
01:24:32,450 --> 01:24:35,050
I'm from Broken Arrow and thank you for letting me speak.

1152
01:24:35,550 --> 01:24:42,550
A couple of things a lot of stuff has already been covered about the infrastructure, the call of the prayer of five times a day is a concern.

1153
01:24:43,930 --> 01:24:46,790
Is this mosque going to have a basement at all?

1154
01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:47,350
A basement?

1155
01:24:48,030 --> 01:24:49,830
That I mean that's not for us at all.

1156
01:24:49,850 --> 01:24:51,250
I mean we have a certain thing about that.

1157
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:58,130
Did I understand correctly that the mosque will be 40,000 square feet in the retails like 20?

1158
01:24:59,230 --> 01:25:02,270
So it's basically a mosque first and then a retail second.

1159
01:25:02,270 --> 01:25:09,070
Well, actually there are two different locations if you remember the site mat the the mosque itself was on the East and and the

1160
01:25:09,070 --> 01:25:18,090
But on the same property. Yeah, okay, so so septic capability is your 100% we're going to have to do septic date. There's no place to tie it

1161
01:25:18,930 --> 01:25:20,850
Well, I think that we just talked about that a minute ago.

1162
01:25:20,930 --> 01:25:28,210
I mean, all right, so here's my concern one of the biggest one is and I've lived your 30 years is the traffic right at that turnpike

1163
01:25:28,210 --> 01:25:32,630
I look at Lynn Lane in Highway 51, and that's a quagmire, you know, a five clock.

1164
01:25:32,930 --> 01:25:38,130
I live off of 111th in the creek. Excuse me, I ask for an in the creek, and that is turning,

1165
01:25:38,210 --> 01:25:44,230
it's a great center, but it's going to be a quagmire. So, is infrastructure for traffic and that area being addressed.

1166
01:25:45,210 --> 01:25:53,650
And secondly, I want to talk about this, you know, it is culture and city planning, city council is responsible for culture.

1167
01:25:54,430 --> 01:25:59,290
And we need to understand that what I'm going to say is not politically correct, but it's

1168
01:25:59,290 --> 01:26:01,230
historically, historically correct.

1169
01:26:01,550 --> 01:26:06,070
And we need to really look at what we're allowing into our community and the effect it

1170
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:06,610
has.

1171
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:12,950
I've spent 20 years in military, lived overseas, Iceland, Italy, CIS, Germany, have

1172
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:17,450
friends all in those areas still, and they are dealing with an Islamic problem that you

1173
01:26:17,450 --> 01:26:18,510
have no idea.

1174
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:27,390
They addressed it about the ability to lie, to get their way, that is not a of what's

1175
01:26:27,390 --> 01:26:28,110
we're looking for.

1176
01:26:28,270 --> 01:26:28,690
It's a truth.

1177
01:26:29,070 --> 01:26:31,710
I don't know how else to say it.

1178
01:26:32,210 --> 01:26:37,950
I know that when Islam comes into a community, it's first peaceful, they give medical aid,

1179
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:43,330
help aid, and then it begins to turn around, and then they get involved politically, and

1180
01:26:43,330 --> 01:26:44,330
they begin to take over communities.

1181
01:26:44,330 --> 01:26:50,710
reason I know that I have relatives in Minneapolis, have relatives in Duermond, Michigan and New York City.

1182
01:26:51,710 --> 01:26:57,170
And if you look at history, if you look at facts, facts or facts, and broken arrow is a wonderful community.

1183
01:26:58,050 --> 01:27:02,930
And people think, well, you're being prejudice. Listen, facts or facts, history is history.

1184
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:06,630
Okay, the American Constitution is what we live by, and that alone.

1185
01:27:07,150 --> 01:27:10,730
And it will affect the queuing community, you are city planners.

1186
01:27:11,470 --> 01:27:20,770
Okay, not only are we building can't hurt you, but people can, and we need to stand up and take a look about what we're going to allow into the broken-hour community.

1187
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:26,690
Our Constitution meant died for our right to stand up here and speak the truth.

1188
01:27:28,910 --> 01:27:34,290
I have a lot to say, it's been covered a lot, I don't want to waste everybody's time, I got like 15 seconds left, but I want to thank you for the opportunity.

1189
01:27:34,290 --> 01:27:39,310
but each and every one of you sitting here, your decision will affect this

1190
01:27:39,310 --> 01:27:45,350
community for years to come and people need to understand that. And I am tired

1191
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:49,590
of political correctness, I'm tired of people trying to keep the bees to promote

1192
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:51,870
a lie. Thank you very much.

1193
01:27:52,010 --> 01:27:55,910
I appreciate it because I appreciate what you're doing that's because you gave us a

1194
01:27:55,910 --> 01:28:00,490
step on the noise levels, white lands traffic, and septic. So we're actually here

1195
01:28:00,490 --> 01:28:01,870
some stuff we could work with here.

1196
01:28:02,110 --> 01:28:08,670
Okay. Next person up is Heidi Martinez, then we have VE Docs sublet after that and then on

1197
01:28:08,670 --> 01:28:11,250
deck after Doc is Angie Stevens.

1198
01:28:19,740 --> 01:28:22,900
Thank you. Thank you.

1199
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:30,840
My name is Heidi Martinez. I have been a resident of Broken Arrow for 25 years. I also grew up in an

1200
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:40,540
and Jewish neighborhood very close to Dearborn Michigan. I, for the last 22, 25 years, 22 of

1201
01:28:40,540 --> 01:28:46,460
these those years spent in Broken Arrow have been engaging with the Islamic community, Muslims,

1202
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:55,180
and my dear friends at the mosque who are actually terrified to be here tonight. They were scared to

1203
01:28:55,180 --> 01:28:59,580
come because they thought somebody would hurt them and that the bigotry and the hatred that has

1204
01:28:59,580 --> 01:29:05,080
expressed on social media would endanger them in their families. I want to thank you for

1205
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:11,720
this opportunity to share. I want to just express my own experience because that's all I have

1206
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:17,840
is my own experience that my engagement with the Muslim community has been that they are very kind,

1207
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:24,820
generous, charitable people who have offered their friendship not just to Muslims but to me as well

1208
01:29:24,820 --> 01:29:31,000
to my family. They have become part of my family and I have become part of theirs, even though

1209
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:39,080
I follow Jesus and I'm very, very bold about that. This question here tonight is not about

1210
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:46,080
Islam versus Christianity. This is the issue of rights. Freedom of religion is not just reserved

1211
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:54,220
for one religion in the United States of America. I don't want my right to worship where I

1212
01:29:54,220 --> 01:29:59,800
to be taken away from me. People died and fought for that right.

1213
01:30:00,690 --> 01:30:14,790
Jesus loves Muslims and so do I, and he set to love your neighbor. These are my beloved neighbors and friends, and they deserve the same rights and respects and freedoms that I experience.

1214
01:30:16,940 --> 01:30:25,320
Who are we to take away basic human rights when so dear prices have been paid for us to worship the way we want to worship?

1215
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:30,280
The spirit of America is to open our hearts and our arms to each other.

1216
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:31,420
We don't have to agree.

1217
01:30:31,580 --> 01:30:33,320
We don't have to worship the same.

1218
01:30:33,980 --> 01:30:40,480
But I just implore you to please consider the fact that these are not those people.

1219
01:30:41,020 --> 01:30:42,000
They are us.

1220
01:30:42,140 --> 01:30:43,280
We are us.

1221
01:30:43,500 --> 01:30:46,080
It is not just one religion in this country.

1222
01:30:46,380 --> 01:30:49,060
It is not just one race or one type of person.

1223
01:30:49,380 --> 01:30:54,380
But I beg for you to see them as people with just the same desire that we would have

1224
01:30:54,380 --> 01:30:56,960
to worship near our home peacefully.

1225
01:30:59,060 --> 01:30:59,920
We are Oklahoma.

1226
01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:02,200
We are broken-arrowed people.

1227
01:31:02,380 --> 01:31:05,440
We are residents here that want a peaceful loving community,

1228
01:31:05,700 --> 01:31:08,900
and that includes inviting people over and

1229
01:31:08,900 --> 01:31:10,200
enjoying each other's company,

1230
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,760
getting to know people that are different from us.

1231
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,580
I have had nothing but a positive experience

1232
01:31:15,580 --> 01:31:17,860
in these last 22 years.

1233
01:31:18,420 --> 01:31:21,560
I have had so much love and loyalty and friendship

1234
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:22,740
extended to me.

1235
01:31:22,740 --> 01:31:26,820
It hurts my heart to hear the things that are happening to me.

1236
01:31:26,820 --> 01:31:27,260
Thank you.

1237
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:28,240
Thank you.

1238
01:31:28,340 --> 01:31:28,580
Okay.

1239
01:31:28,700 --> 01:31:30,740
Next up, BE doc sublet.

1240
01:31:31,140 --> 01:31:34,280
Then Angie Stevens will be on deck and then Linda Russell.

1241
01:31:36,030 --> 01:31:36,650
Minds short.

1242
01:31:38,330 --> 01:31:39,290
Thank you.

1243
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:39,370
Thank you.

1244
01:31:39,370 --> 01:31:40,030
It's something new.

1245
01:31:40,430 --> 01:31:40,550
Right?

1246
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:41,110
I have a pastor.

1247
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:42,070
It's nice to be short.

1248
01:31:42,750 --> 01:31:42,830
Okay.

1249
01:31:43,630 --> 01:31:49,050
My name is Doc Sublet and I have concern not about the religion aspect or anything else.

1250
01:31:49,230 --> 01:31:54,190
I'm a tax paying broken error person and I know that we've purchased 90 acres with

1251
01:31:54,190 --> 01:31:59,450
tax payer money right across the street right across the highway there and the purpose of that

1252
01:31:59,450 --> 01:32:04,670
is to bring in economic development to that area and when you're bringing in economic development

1253
01:32:04,670 --> 01:32:10,490
what we're trying to do here is in this innovation district is bringing in high paying jobs

1254
01:32:10,490 --> 01:32:16,530
and high in customers and just for my personal experience, I'm owning several businesses over the years

1255
01:32:16,530 --> 01:32:23,930
to support my pastor habit. If I have a business and I have to look out across the road there

1256
01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:31,670
at a mosque, a big mosque or a big building, you know, it's not going to be easy to bring people

1257
01:32:31,670 --> 01:32:36,330
in to encourage people to come in and invest in our community in that area, which we have 90

1258
01:32:36,330 --> 01:32:42,070
acres we bought over there. It's a big deal. I know that I know that that's a small thing, but when you're

1259
01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:45,350
talking to people that have the opportunity to go anywhere they want to go to spend their money,

1260
01:32:45,930 --> 01:32:50,170
that could be a concern. So that's one of my main concerns is that we protect the investment that

1261
01:32:50,170 --> 01:32:55,430
as made in the 90-acre development over there, and it would give them every tool, the committee,

1262
01:32:55,590 --> 01:33:01,810
every tool they need, to be able to woo those people to get them to come here and invest in that area.

1263
01:33:02,130 --> 01:33:06,270
So, thank you. So, what about the church that's out there right now, is it the same thing with it?

1264
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:12,270
Well, it's been there, how long? 50 years? Yeah, long time. Yeah. And it's not, this is, you're talking about,

1265
01:33:12,270 --> 01:33:16,610
They've asked for 740 parking spaces.

1266
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:18,810
That's a 3,000 seat mosque.

1267
01:33:19,010 --> 01:33:20,010
That's a big building.

1268
01:33:20,650 --> 01:33:23,650
So you're saying that other church does it really have the impact on people?

1269
01:33:23,890 --> 01:33:24,730
You can't see it from a hat.

1270
01:33:24,750 --> 01:33:26,110
Right, right, right, right.

1271
01:33:26,710 --> 01:33:27,970
Actually, it doesn't look much like a church,

1272
01:33:27,970 --> 01:33:28,690
be honest with you, wouldn't you?

1273
01:33:28,690 --> 01:33:29,030
Do it.

1274
01:33:29,390 --> 01:33:31,170
It doesn't look much like a church when you're dead.

1275
01:33:31,450 --> 01:33:32,450
It doesn't look like a farmhouse.

1276
01:33:33,170 --> 01:33:33,630
All right, thanks.

1277
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:34,510
Thank you.

1278
01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:40,430
I do have a quick question for staff as far as the commercial portion

1279
01:33:40,430 --> 01:33:41,910
since it's phased.

1280
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:50,770
Can we give them a time limit with the specific use permit, as far as how soon they have to have that commercial portion built?

1281
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,420
No, the use permit would only relate to the place of assembly.

1282
01:34:00,100 --> 01:34:01,500
So, I'm that Angie Stevens.

1283
01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:02,120
Thank you.

1284
01:34:02,180 --> 01:34:06,900
Angie Stevens, then Linda Russell is on deck, and then after Linda it will be Karen Harden.

1285
01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:12,240
Go ahead.

1286
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:34,280
I moved to Broken Era recently from Tulsa and I didn't know all about this until yesterday and so maybe this is what I was supposed to have appeared is to come ask questions but as I understood they said they only have 50% of the money for their mosque is that correct?

1287
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:38,540
that's what they, and maybe not 60% yes, that's what they have too.

1288
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:44,280
So, you know, that casino that was supposed to be built and now it's like trash over

1289
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:51,220
there across from the Votex Center, I don't want that near my home.

1290
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:56,040
Also, I have a, I was a teacher, a school teacher kindergarten.

1291
01:34:57,140 --> 01:35:01,640
They said they have their meetings at 1 o'clock on Friday, is how long do those meetings

1292
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:02,420
last?

1293
01:35:03,860 --> 01:35:05,500
Well, we'll give them a chance.

1294
01:35:05,860 --> 01:35:07,060
They can rebut that later.

1295
01:35:07,940 --> 01:35:08,200
Okay.

1296
01:35:09,100 --> 01:35:14,860
I'm concerned about school buses, parents picking up kids, trying to get out of the neighborhoods

1297
01:35:14,860 --> 01:35:17,960
because neighborhoods will eventually grow out there.

1298
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:26,120
And if you have this huge facility and kids trying to get on home from hot buses

1299
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:32,020
because our buses are not air conditioned, I'm concerned about that for our children too.

1300
01:35:32,020 --> 01:35:38,340
We're thinking in the future for planning. You guys are planning. So this is think, think, be on today.

1301
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:49,260
I am very much opposed. I'm concerned about the noise. I know they say no noise, but I'm just very concerned.

1302
01:35:49,780 --> 01:35:52,120
So these are things that I'm concerned about.

1303
01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:57,760
But do you understand if there was any development outside whether it's a mosque or a church or anything like that,

1304
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:01,180
in a chaotic church project, whatever that you would still have that traffic situation.

1305
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:05,640
Just like you have that life church, just what east of there on the next two miles, over

1306
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,100
I guess that.

1307
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:11,900
Life church is not as large as that and they have the building, it's not that large.

1308
01:36:12,700 --> 01:36:14,620
So they have what life church is done.

1309
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,560
They don't need a one-on-call in front of you either.

1310
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,000
And they stagger their worship service, so they have several.

1311
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:24,900
But my point was, what I was getting as look at closely are the turnpike, the entrance

1312
01:36:24,900 --> 01:36:29,580
and the same thing would be with this one here, whatever goes in there will be fairly close

1313
01:36:29,580 --> 01:36:30,500
to the turnpike.

1314
01:36:30,580 --> 01:36:31,780
On a private area.

1315
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:33,260
That'll alleviate a lot of the traffic.

1316
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:39,300
On a variety afternoon, when kids or parents are going to pick up kids, kids, it's a different

1317
01:36:39,300 --> 01:36:39,740
situation.

1318
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:44,440
Sunday mornings, you're not having that problem, because people are, that's the main thing

1319
01:36:44,440 --> 01:36:45,700
they're doing, it's going to worship.

1320
01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:48,580
So it's a different, it's a whole different ballgame.

1321
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,960
Well, we'll give them a chance to respond to this to see about the one clock to how long,

1322
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:53,820
see what, what, what, what the time is.

1323
01:36:53,820 --> 01:36:55,820
I'm going to do one or two and then we're trying to get a kid.

1324
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,840
You don't want to wait for him, right?

1325
01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:58,140
Okay.

1326
01:36:59,160 --> 01:36:59,380
I know.

1327
01:36:59,380 --> 01:37:00,100
I know.

1328
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,240
Linda Russell is coming up.

1329
01:37:05,540 --> 01:37:07,180
I'm looking to get a list item for them talking about.

1330
01:37:07,580 --> 01:37:09,080
Karen Harten, on deck.

1331
01:37:09,340 --> 01:37:12,000
And then after Karen is Patricia Highland.

1332
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:16,990
Good evening.

1333
01:37:17,410 --> 01:37:18,270
Nice to see you all.

1334
01:37:18,370 --> 01:37:21,250
Thanks so much for giving us the opportunity to speak up.

1335
01:37:22,510 --> 01:37:22,770
In the speech.

1336
01:37:23,930 --> 01:37:24,170
Yep.

1337
01:37:24,490 --> 01:37:26,590
They have never been accused of the softballies.

1338
01:37:26,590 --> 01:37:27,750
Thank you.

1339
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:28,850
State your name, please.

1340
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:30,150
Linda Russell.

1341
01:37:30,770 --> 01:37:31,510
Thank you.

1342
01:37:32,010 --> 01:37:36,350
And I guess my biggest one of my concerns was I'm still learning about this too.

1343
01:37:36,430 --> 01:37:41,070
I just found out about this not long ago, even though I was at the Tuesday night council meeting

1344
01:37:41,070 --> 01:37:43,270
and no one seemed to know about it.

1345
01:37:44,210 --> 01:37:49,430
I'm wondering about the level six that it's been designated as for a range of use.

1346
01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:55,790
My question is does a mosque have employment or commercial significance that would meet the requirements

1347
01:37:55,790 --> 01:38:01,690
of a level six. And it would appear that there is intensity involved by this plan development

1348
01:38:01,690 --> 01:38:09,830
that does not meet this comprehensive plan standard. The other things that I am concerned about

1349
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:16,470
in terms of the zoning, that ordinance establishes a different development standards for assembly

1350
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:23,710
and institutional uses based on sewer availability, which was mentioned earlier, including increased

1351
01:38:23,710 --> 01:38:29,990
minimum a lot area requirements when served by septic systems, rather than municipal sewer.

1352
01:38:30,930 --> 01:38:35,310
So even with that regard, I believe, like this should not go forward.

1353
01:38:36,810 --> 01:38:42,570
The ingress egress emergency access constraints, which I was really appreciative of the

1354
01:38:42,570 --> 01:38:49,250
aerial view to be able to demonstrate that clearly when I read that, the site plan in that

1355
01:38:49,250 --> 01:38:55,090
This aerial imagery demonstrates is the subject-track realized primarily on that frontage along

1356
01:38:55,090 --> 01:39:02,110
South 129 East Avenue for the ingress in the E-Crest with no clearly established secondary

1357
01:39:02,110 --> 01:39:03,110
access room.

1358
01:39:03,470 --> 01:39:06,230
I didn't hear anything about that tonight either.

1359
01:39:06,730 --> 01:39:11,070
The proposed commercial buildings and associated parking fields significantly increased

1360
01:39:11,070 --> 01:39:16,850
the traffic volume, fire apparatus access needs, and the emergency response demand.

1361
01:39:16,850 --> 01:39:46,550
So, that tracks proximity to the Haky Creek floodplain and emergency response demand, excuse me, and the emergency, the Creek term hike, right of way, further constraints access reliability during severe weather events, and the rezoning, of course, to the CG would permit development intensities that have not been shown to in comply, with the city's engineering design criteria, manual or the adopted international fire code requirements, for reliable fire apparatus access,

1362
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:53,470
providing an independent basis to deny, the rezoning, and associated conditional use permit both.

1363
01:39:54,570 --> 01:40:00,270
Also for the onsite wastewater and lagoon regulatory constraints with the Oklahoma Administrative

1364
01:40:00,270 --> 01:40:10,670
Code 652, Chapter 641, governs onsite sewage treatment systems, the OAC252-1-3, requires onsite

1365
01:40:10,670 --> 01:40:16,470
sewage systems to meet minimum lot size, soil suitability and separation, distance standards

1366
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:25,030
and limits systems to dispersal field or legumes. And then the 251-641-15-1 requires all sewage

1367
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:30,530
legumes received septic tank, pre-treatment and operate as total retention systems subject

1368
01:40:30,530 --> 01:40:35,870
to strict. And then these state-level requirements significantly constrain that facility itself.

1369
01:40:36,250 --> 01:40:39,950
I oppose that. But see, you did your homework. You went down different paths and a lot of people.

1370
01:40:39,950 --> 01:40:44,550
So those are great things to mention, and that's good.

1371
01:40:45,490 --> 01:40:46,950
So seven things I might add, you know,

1372
01:40:46,990 --> 01:40:48,350
you're talking about like the suicide system.

1373
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:49,290
I don't know whether they're going,

1374
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:51,470
I thought I read there were going to go with a septic field

1375
01:40:51,470 --> 01:40:52,530
instead of a sewage lagoon.

1376
01:40:53,770 --> 01:40:55,430
So if they're going to go to a septic,

1377
01:40:55,470 --> 01:40:56,890
they'll have to do park tests and all that.

1378
01:40:56,970 --> 01:40:59,830
They'll have to meet the ODQ or AK stuff anyway on that.

1379
01:41:00,450 --> 01:41:01,730
So tonight, that's a good point though,

1380
01:41:01,930 --> 01:41:03,130
that tonight though, what we're looking at

1381
01:41:03,130 --> 01:41:05,410
is just a zoning and a condition-use permit.

1382
01:41:05,950 --> 01:41:08,410
But I think you were asking, if I caught that, right?

1383
01:41:08,410 --> 01:41:09,210
You went pretty fast.

1384
01:41:09,210 --> 01:41:13,850
Were you asking what else could go on a CG? Is that what you mentioned or I'm not sure if I'm sorry

1385
01:41:13,850 --> 01:41:18,490
What did you ask what else could be the reason from agriculture to commercial?

1386
01:41:19,150 --> 01:41:22,870
This EG did you ask what other kind of items would go in there? What kind of other?

1387
01:41:24,250 --> 01:41:33,310
I don't think they think that a mosque would be the level 6 the level 6 so the CG actually falls in the level 6

1388
01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:39,510
the comprehensive plan, it has a table that shows, okay, this is level six, based on the

1389
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:45,990
land use intensity system, what kind of items can go in our categories, and the CG is one of them.

1390
01:41:46,250 --> 01:41:49,970
It has, I think, four or five that are permitted, if I remember.

1391
01:41:50,710 --> 01:41:54,210
But what you're asking is why is a mosque being put in there?

1392
01:41:54,370 --> 01:41:59,710
And the reason being is because they have the future retail component of there.

1393
01:41:59,710 --> 01:42:09,370
They want that CG for that retail, but they're not, they weren't looking at, I'm trying to figure out how to say this, the CG as a mosque.

1394
01:42:09,870 --> 01:42:17,810
What it falls in for the conditional use permit is the place of assembly correct, which could be a moose lodge, another church, it could be things like that.

1395
01:42:18,770 --> 01:42:26,710
So it could be a bunch of different things, not just the mosque itself, the conditional use permit could be used for other things too.

1396
01:42:26,710 --> 01:42:27,390
Yeah, okay.

1397
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:28,850
Like said, but move storage or whatever.

1398
01:42:29,890 --> 01:42:30,170
Thank you.

1399
01:42:30,170 --> 01:42:31,110
I don't know if I answered it.

1400
01:42:32,110 --> 01:42:38,070
Well, I'll just kind of paraphrase and if the city can correct me if I'm wrong, if there

1401
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:44,350
was no intent for a storefront or commercial development in the front of that facility,

1402
01:42:45,090 --> 01:42:52,110
then they could be submitting a conditional use permit only and not asking for a change in

1403
01:42:52,110 --> 01:42:52,330
zoning.

1404
01:42:52,330 --> 01:42:59,170
And so the reason why it's two separate things is the fact that they're wanting to in the future.

1405
01:42:59,430 --> 01:43:02,390
So now it's the time for them to do that during the planning portion.

1406
01:43:03,010 --> 01:43:04,970
So I hope that helps in training.

1407
01:43:05,230 --> 01:43:10,990
But also luxury that have been the retail, the frontage long olive is the tax dollars that

1408
01:43:10,990 --> 01:43:12,170
city broke in our gates.

1409
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:13,570
Also it's going to be plated.

1410
01:43:14,050 --> 01:43:17,390
So we get the city gets the right of where it's way, so they don't have to go out and purchase

1411
01:43:17,390 --> 01:43:20,210
it to widen the 129th or olive street.

1412
01:43:20,210 --> 01:43:26,070
So there's a benefit for that too. Now, what they're going to put in the retail store, we have no idea.

1413
01:43:26,690 --> 01:43:28,770
It has gone that far through us.

1414
01:43:31,850 --> 01:43:39,170
All right, so Karen Harden's coming up Patricia Highland is on deck and then Billy Wyland after Patricia Highland.

1415
01:43:39,470 --> 01:43:41,530
But those are great comments on my deck.

1416
01:43:42,030 --> 01:43:43,710
Commissioners, thank you for this opportunity.

1417
01:43:44,410 --> 01:43:46,190
I believe the citizens of Broken Arrow on the ground.

1418
01:43:46,190 --> 01:43:47,410
Can you say your name please?

1419
01:43:47,610 --> 01:43:48,810
Karen Harden. Thank you.

1420
01:43:48,810 --> 01:43:53,210
The citizens of Broken Arrow and surrounding communities are concerned about the consideration

1421
01:43:53,210 --> 01:43:56,070
to reason this property due to several issues.

1422
01:43:56,610 --> 01:44:01,210
Of concern is that if you rezone it, you will have overruled your city's own comprehensive

1423
01:44:01,210 --> 01:44:07,430
plan due to the infrastructure limitations, floodplain, constraints, and public safety.

1424
01:44:07,950 --> 01:44:10,950
First, the current city infrastructure does not support it.

1425
01:44:11,250 --> 01:44:16,050
Ingress egress of traffic, water sewer septic issues, and a floodplain, as well as negating

1426
01:44:16,050 --> 01:44:18,850
the Department of Environmental Quality on-site,

1427
01:44:19,410 --> 01:44:21,970
waste, water, and lagoon regulatory constraints.

1428
01:44:22,690 --> 01:44:24,670
Others will address this more specifically.

1429
01:44:25,230 --> 01:44:28,050
But Chairman, you said that the issue of septic

1430
01:44:28,050 --> 01:44:30,750
shouldn't be a showstopper, but it actually should.

1431
01:44:31,210 --> 01:44:34,590
If it does not, and it seems like that the size of the buildings

1432
01:44:34,590 --> 01:44:36,810
that they are trying to build the number of people,

1433
01:44:37,250 --> 01:44:39,950
that the septic they would put in could not meet

1434
01:44:39,950 --> 01:44:41,550
the limitations that are there.

1435
01:44:41,770 --> 01:44:43,090
Yeah, and I thought what I asked him,

1436
01:44:43,190 --> 01:44:44,950
but if that it was not a showstopper,

1437
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:48,350
I was confirmed at the end that he thought it was not a showstopper doing the septic

1438
01:44:48,350 --> 01:44:49,490
and septic and septic and septic and septic and septic.

1439
01:44:50,230 --> 01:44:52,090
No, I was saying it's not a showstopper.

1440
01:44:52,930 --> 01:44:53,770
I can't be a showstopper.

1441
01:44:53,950 --> 01:44:54,050
I can't be a showstopper.

1442
01:44:54,590 --> 01:44:55,530
It can be.

1443
01:44:55,790 --> 01:44:58,150
But it's a big property out there in that floodplain.

1444
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:59,870
The city's not going to let anybody.

1445
01:45:04,740 --> 01:45:09,480
We do need you agree. We do need to stay within state regulations. Okay.

1446
01:45:10,540 --> 01:45:16,100
Also, if it proved it would be preferential treatment and spot zoning, which violates the comprehensive plan.

1447
01:45:16,740 --> 01:45:29,400
The proposed rezoning of a specific phased commercial development concept seems to confirm that this request of rezoning is driven by a particular sight plan, rather than comprehensive re-evaluation of the surrounding area.

1448
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:37,140
Approval would confer a parcel-specific benefit in consistent with existing zoning patterns and environmental constraints,

1449
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:42,460
constituting preferential treatment without a corresponding public plan and justification.

1450
01:45:43,480 --> 01:45:46,800
The current broken air comprehensive plan provides long-range guidance.

1451
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:52,840
It does not override infrastructure limitations, flood-playing constraints, or public safety considerations,

1452
01:45:53,180 --> 01:45:56,740
which we are hearing much about, all of which this rezoning would do.

1453
01:45:56,740 --> 01:46:05,320
The requested zoning certainly seems to exceed what is reasonably supported at this location given existing environmental and utility conditions.

1454
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:13,460
Why would you approve rezoning for a structure and then try and create road sewer ingress egress when it clearly isn't there?

1455
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:21,220
Approval of this rezoning would establish precedent for similar requests along their corridor incrementally eroding greenway and flood plain protections.

1456
01:46:21,220 --> 01:46:28,640
The cumulative effect of such approvals would undermine long-term stormwater management, infrastructure planning, and environmental stewardship.

1457
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:38,480
Isn't it true that consideration of precedent and cumulative impact is of legitimate, legitimate factor in legislative, zoning decisions?

1458
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:42,460
And if so, then why is this going to be ignored?

1459
01:46:42,740 --> 01:46:45,780
If you approve it here, you have to approve it elsewhere.

1460
01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:52,720
And I think we've already seen the spot zoning preferential treatment given to the casino at 1111.

1461
01:46:53,140 --> 01:46:54,800
We saw how that turned out.

1462
01:46:55,840 --> 01:47:00,480
The safety issues are of absolute concern when the North American Islamic Trust,

1463
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:09,280
which this land has been deemed and discussed in 2007 as one of 246 and organizations that

1464
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:14,700
were unindicted in the co-conspirators and joint ventures in federal prosecution.

1465
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:20,680
Now I say unindicted because they were named as a terrorist, but that is under debate.

1466
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:22,280
But we do have to consider that.

1467
01:47:22,940 --> 01:47:26,920
So what you're doing, you went really well for two events and 50 seconds of whatever

1468
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:30,860
take up the last part, because all of that was relevant to what you were saying in what

1469
01:47:30,860 --> 01:47:34,800
you were saying in what you were saying in what you were saying in what you were saying is relevant

1470
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:39,760
to whether it's a mosque or a Catholic church or anything like that. So that's good to what you

1471
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:45,400
were saying and present to us. Thank you. So I'm not sure if I'm going to buy off on that, but I mean,

1472
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:51,080
it's in the comprehensive plan for the C3. If you go to the comprehensive plan, you'll see it

1473
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:53,500
and spot zoning for the casino and we saw how well that works.

1474
01:47:53,500 --> 01:47:55,900
Okay, I can't answer about the C now, yeah.

1475
01:47:56,200 --> 01:48:00,440
Okay, so coming up is Patricia Highland, Billy Willand,

1476
01:48:00,860 --> 01:48:04,440
and then on deck after Billy is gonna be Randy Pervatt.

1477
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:09,000
Thank you, thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

1478
01:48:09,420 --> 01:48:14,500
I do have a handout that I can give you after my three minutes.

1479
01:48:14,620 --> 01:48:15,920
Okay, please tell me.

1480
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:16,960
Okay, please state your name.

1481
01:48:17,140 --> 01:48:19,640
My name is Patricia Highland for the record.

1482
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:26,420
I want to address in a stand-in opposition to the requested zoning change, not on a religious

1483
01:48:26,420 --> 01:48:29,520
spaces, not on anything I live a mile from this property.

1484
01:48:30,300 --> 01:48:34,660
And if you drive by there every day, it is a bottleneck.

1485
01:48:36,020 --> 01:48:39,480
There is no egress or ingress to that property.

1486
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:48,100
There's no access on this side, on the south side, there's no access on the north side,

1487
01:48:48,100 --> 01:48:55,080
the south side or the back side where the floodplain is, you can't even get in and out of their now.

1488
01:48:55,820 --> 01:49:03,760
Now, are we going to come back around and ask the taxpayers to pay for improvements to make that suitable no way?

1489
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:04,940
No way.

1490
01:49:06,220 --> 01:49:13,960
And I want, I have addressed in this four-page document, the legal reasons why we should be opposed

1491
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:17,520
and giving you guys the reasons why we should vote no.

1492
01:49:18,580 --> 01:49:21,820
The legislative standard in burden of proof has not been met.

1493
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:25,580
The floodplain and greenway constraints are not met.

1494
01:49:26,500 --> 01:49:32,260
The municipal authorities, the infrastructure and utility limitations are horrendous.

1495
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:34,880
The broken arrow zoning ordinance,

1496
01:49:35,740 --> 01:49:40,240
and specifically the ingress and egress that was alluded to earlier

1497
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:47,040
and the emergency access have you driven out to that property and walked it and looked at it?

1498
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:50,640
I feel for the people that want to build on it.

1499
01:49:51,060 --> 01:49:52,440
They got a pig in a poke.

1500
01:49:52,740 --> 01:49:55,400
Somebody sold them a pig in a poke.

1501
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:58,980
Now, that property.

1502
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:00,780
There's not parking.

1503
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:01,720
What are they going to do?

1504
01:50:01,940 --> 01:50:06,900
Best them from across the street in the deep-funk casino slash events center.

1505
01:50:06,900 --> 01:50:14,100
And let him park over there. There's no room for parking. That all we heard from the attorney from

1506
01:50:14,100 --> 01:50:22,240
Out of state in Texas and an entity from Out of state purchases property, they, the North American alliance said

1507
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:30,300
Islamic alliance purchased it. There's not room for parking for a birthday party on that spot.

1508
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:39,540
I challenge you to go out there and listen to what was said tonight and let me tell you when the Afghan

1509
01:50:39,540 --> 01:50:48,160
Refugees came our church was involved. I took a family over to worship at the mosque every time they were called to prayer

1510
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:54,250
I set up an apartment through a committee in my church for them. This has nothing to do with that

1511
01:50:54,660 --> 01:50:59,260
This has everything to do with I live a mile away, and it is not sustainable

1512
01:50:59,260 --> 01:51:06,600
run off groundwater, you name it, and it's addressed right here, and I have a copy for all of you.

1513
01:51:07,480 --> 01:51:07,740
Thank you.

1514
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:08,500
Thank you.

1515
01:51:11,940 --> 01:51:12,240
Okay.

1516
01:51:12,740 --> 01:51:20,540
So Billy Wyland's coming up, Randy Pervatt, on deck, and then after Randy is James Giller.

1517
01:51:21,220 --> 01:51:22,140
Thank you.

1518
01:51:24,730 --> 01:51:25,270
Go ahead.

1519
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:31,880
Hello, my name is Billy Wyland.

1520
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,040
I'm going to give this first part by simply saying,

1521
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:40,980
the last three ladies at Spoke. I'd like to reiterate in a second as if

1522
01:51:40,980 --> 01:51:47,130
repeating verbatim herein. But Rukutsado Naya Ovala, a new milk at Lomb,

1523
01:51:47,130 --> 01:51:49,810
less than be Lord Adonai Yahweh, who was an isn'tist to come

1524
01:51:49,810 --> 01:51:52,410
masterking in the universe. I'm sharing a ton of the suck. We've been

1525
01:51:52,410 --> 01:51:55,290
not live. I've healed my new home in Lila. Who gives you the ability to

1526
01:51:55,290 --> 01:52:00,250
distinguish between light and dark, day and night truth and untruth in

1527
01:52:00,250 --> 01:52:05,650
Hashemia Shua. When I took my birthright trip to Israel in the summer of 2010,

1528
01:52:05,650 --> 01:52:07,690
I was walking through the old city of Jerusalem.

1529
01:52:07,690 --> 01:52:08,990
I was wearing my kippa.

1530
01:52:11,970 --> 01:52:13,330
I wasn't looking to make a statement.

1531
01:52:13,530 --> 01:52:14,650
I wasn't provoking anyone.

1532
01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:18,230
I was just walking, just breathing in the land of my father's.

1533
01:52:18,550 --> 01:52:20,310
At some point without realizing it,

1534
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:21,950
I wandered into the Muslim quarter,

1535
01:52:22,670 --> 01:52:25,390
a Muslim area that had been resowned in the old city.

1536
01:52:25,710 --> 01:52:27,370
A Muslim orphanage.

1537
01:52:28,670 --> 01:52:30,090
There, but it doesn't little children there.

1538
01:52:30,230 --> 01:52:31,470
It just three to six years old.

1539
01:52:31,550 --> 01:52:33,350
They were kicking a soccer ball around laughing,

1540
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:36,270
playing, just being kids.

1541
01:52:36,270 --> 01:52:44,650
and then they saw me and everything stopped. The ball dropped. They picked up little sticks from

1542
01:52:44,650 --> 01:52:50,920
the ground and all of them every single one of them ran toward me and these tiny little

1543
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:57,000
children began striking my legs with their sticks chanting over and over. Sura, Sura, Sura,

1544
01:52:57,000 --> 01:53:01,800
Sura, Sura. On one level it was almost comical, like Gulliver surrounded by

1545
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:09,780
Putin's little hands, little voices, little sticks, but another level of broke me because what I was

1546
01:53:09,780 --> 01:53:16,100
witnessing wasn't childish, mischief. It was learned hatred. These precious children before they

1547
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:20,500
could read, before they could reason, before they could choose that already been trained to see me,

1548
01:53:20,540 --> 01:53:26,720
not as a man, not as a neighbor, not even as a human being, but as an enemy dog to be beaten.

1549
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:33,060
Not because of anything I had done, not because who I am as a person, but because I am a Jew.

1550
01:53:35,620 --> 01:53:41,320
That moment marked me. It planted grief in my soul and prayer at that very same time.

1551
01:53:41,780 --> 01:53:48,020
And to this day I pray not with hatred, not with vengeance, but with tears and love from Yeshua.

1552
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:56,960
The sons of Ishmael would one day I pray, love their own children enough to stop teaching them to hate me, to hate my people, and to hate America.

1553
01:53:57,780 --> 01:54:02,040
Scripture is clear about whether responsibility lies, it does not rest on the children, it

1554
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:07,500
rests on the parents, it rests on the leaders, and it rests on those who shape parts

1555
01:54:07,500 --> 01:54:11,920
before those hearts can defend themselves, trying to put child in the way they should go, and

1556
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:16,540
when they're old, they will not depart from it. This is our mandate, and we will be judged

1557
01:54:16,540 --> 01:54:23,020
for it, not by each other, but by God Almighty, Yehovah. Those children in the yoltsin

1558
01:54:23,020 --> 01:54:28,780
they were not my enemies. I pray for them. And I pray you turn down the stone and ordinance

1559
01:54:28,780 --> 01:54:29,340
option.

1560
01:54:30,580 --> 01:54:31,700
Thank you.

1561
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:44,640
Okay, we need Randy Pervatt. James Giller. Giller is, or James Giller is on deck. And then after

1562
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:46,040
James Allen Jackson.

1563
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:52,160
Good evening. I'm Randy Pervatt. I live in Broken Arrow for over 30 years. I absolutely

1564
01:54:54,220 --> 01:55:03,160
I hope you'll take a lot of where everybody has said in a consideration this evening because I'm going to come from a little bit of a different angle.

1565
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,620
I did five years in the Middle East as a civilian contractor.

1566
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:09,300
I've lived among those people.

1567
01:55:10,100 --> 01:55:12,060
And I lived on the third four of an apartment.

1568
01:55:13,100 --> 01:55:20,280
For five years, five times a day starting at Son of a blasted their prayer call out to my apartment.

1569
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:25,240
But I'm an American now, and I don't want to put up with it here.

1570
01:55:26,380 --> 01:55:31,100
I don't really think you guys can stop them from putting those speakers up.

1571
01:55:31,220 --> 01:55:33,520
It hasn't stopped them in a lot of other towns and places.

1572
01:55:34,300 --> 01:55:35,600
I just don't think it's going to happen.

1573
01:55:36,140 --> 01:55:40,200
The doctors said earlier this evening, they will lie to you to get their way.

1574
01:55:41,660 --> 01:55:46,160
I experienced that like you would not believe over the five years I was over there with

1575
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:46,720
those people.

1576
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:50,480
They will never tell you the truth if they have to.

1577
01:55:50,740 --> 01:55:52,960
They always don't like to you to get their way.

1578
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:57,200
To give you guys, because you haven't lived it like I lived it,

1579
01:55:57,420 --> 01:56:01,860
to give you guys a real example of what it's like to put up with that.

1580
01:56:01,860 --> 01:56:05,220
Imagine this, we all love our tornado sirens, we have don't we?

1581
01:56:05,460 --> 01:56:06,960
They're here to protect us.

1582
01:56:07,460 --> 01:56:12,020
Can you imagine that same siren went off every morning at Sunlight

1583
01:56:12,020 --> 01:56:16,000
and went off at Sunset and three times in between that?

1584
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:23,060
all day you get fed up with it you'd move out of the area and that's my point if you guys can't stop the

1585
01:56:23,060 --> 01:56:29,060
pericles that stuff will travel with two miles at six o'clock in the morning it's quiet then

1586
01:56:29,860 --> 01:56:35,340
you will have people leave your area I'll be one of the first I've I've lived it and I'm not going to put

1587
01:56:35,340 --> 01:56:40,980
up with it I don't care if they have a church what I care about is I don't want them to in

1588
01:56:40,980 --> 01:56:44,780
fringe upon my rights, and I don't care about your noise ordinance either.

1589
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:46,380
They're not going to cut it.

1590
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:50,620
They're still going to infuriate and piss people off, and then you're going to have a problem.

1591
01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:55,320
And I am blown away that a loss is even going to be trying to be situated right next

1592
01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:56,620
to a Christian church.

1593
01:56:57,180 --> 01:57:01,400
That blow is my mind, because I live with those people for five years, but my big thing

1594
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:07,000
to you is the noise, that's my complaint, and what are we doing about the runoff, 750 cars

1595
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:07,800
and a parking lot?

1596
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:09,700
That's more than Walmart's parking lot.

1597
01:57:09,700 --> 01:57:11,240
Where's all that water going to go?

1598
01:57:11,460 --> 01:57:13,380
They'll be required to have onsite storage

1599
01:57:13,380 --> 01:57:15,140
to control the runoff that's going outside.

1600
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:17,920
That would be taken place during the engineering

1601
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:21,180
during the design of it, but the city of Broken Arrow,

1602
01:57:21,620 --> 01:57:24,820
and they will not increase the runoff going upstream,

1603
01:57:25,020 --> 01:57:26,740
in-date people upstream or downstream.

1604
01:57:27,100 --> 01:57:28,040
How could they do it?

1605
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:30,720
Broken Arrow stop the loudspeakers.

1606
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:31,680
How can you add the loudspeakers?

1607
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:33,900
I was talking about the runoff that did the great of it.

1608
01:57:34,100 --> 01:57:35,420
That was just one of my questions.

1609
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:38,120
Another question was, how are we going to stop the speakers?

1610
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:39,380
Well, that's what I mentioned earlier.

1611
01:57:39,380 --> 01:57:40,820
and that's why I asked about the application.

1612
01:57:40,820 --> 01:57:41,940
I think they'll like to you.

1613
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:43,680
They proven that to me for five years,

1614
01:57:43,900 --> 01:57:45,220
they'll like you to get what they want.

1615
01:57:45,580 --> 01:57:45,680
Yeah, good.

1616
01:57:45,780 --> 01:57:49,580
And I also feel like they're only putting the commercial property

1617
01:57:49,580 --> 01:57:53,040
in this so you guys will approve the property

1618
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:54,900
because it's tax dollars.

1619
01:57:55,780 --> 01:57:57,880
Raise my taxes and get rid of that.

1620
01:57:57,980 --> 01:57:59,080
We don't want it.

1621
01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:00,620
Raise our taxes to get rid of that.

1622
01:58:00,620 --> 01:58:03,880
We'd all gladly pitch in three, four, five hundred dollars

1623
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:05,220
a year more to get rid of that.

1624
01:58:05,220 --> 01:58:06,220
I don't want it, my neighborhood.

1625
01:58:07,100 --> 01:58:08,660
I don't think anybody else here does either.

1626
01:58:08,660 --> 01:58:09,540
All right, thanks.

1627
01:58:09,540 --> 01:58:11,000
Thank you.

1628
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:11,340
Okay.

1629
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:21,260
So coming up is James or James Giller, Alan Jackson, and then on deck after Alan Jackson is

1630
01:58:21,260 --> 01:58:22,440
Carla Morris.

1631
01:58:26,300 --> 01:58:28,240
My name is James Gillis.

1632
01:58:28,500 --> 01:58:34,520
I thank you for allowing me to speak tonight as your own policy stage.

1633
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:35,760
You don't have to respond.

1634
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:37,220
We have a right to speak.

1635
01:58:38,180 --> 01:58:42,540
It has been duly noted that this council has been totally biased.

1636
01:58:42,540 --> 01:58:52,800
not once has any comments been made for anybody who was in favor of this proposal as a

1637
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:57,760
condescending statement that it wasn't relevant to the Zoning Commission and the

1638
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:03,160
planning. Now one time was that done tonight and also their condescending

1639
01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:10,360
statement was that we found all this stuff on Facebook and social media clicks.

1640
01:59:10,360 --> 01:59:16,380
Some people have actually done their homework, read the Quran, read the Hadiths, we understand

1641
01:59:16,380 --> 01:59:26,440
what the religion of Islam says, it renews the day, a town in Michigan whose entire city

1642
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:34,780
council is Islamic. They voted to have animal sacrifice. If you don't believe me, look

1643
01:59:34,780 --> 01:59:42,340
on social media, Google it. They are now doing animal sacrifice in a city in Michigan

1644
01:59:42,340 --> 01:59:48,960
because they're Islamic city council members. Just like the mayor of Dearborn, Michigan,

1645
01:59:49,420 --> 01:59:55,620
be rated a U.S. citizen, a constituent of that city, told the individual,

1646
01:59:55,980 --> 01:59:59,960
we don't want you in this city. I would be glad when you leave this

1647
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:23,660
City, I will rejoice and dance when you leave this city. It is called cultural jihad. They come in. Nice, easy, quiet, cooperative, and they would stone and kill a metropolitan community church if it tried to open up an Yemen.

1648
02:00:23,660 --> 02:00:33,000
They would stone and throw off the rooftop a transgender if the transgender tried to come and cry before a city council.

1649
02:00:33,820 --> 02:00:38,160
And so they come in easy quiet.

1650
02:00:38,420 --> 02:00:46,920
His cultural jihad, all of their religions, whether it be Shea or Sunni, they all agree in one thing.

1651
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:53,660
the establishment of Sharia Law and they want the Sharia Law every woman in

1652
02:00:53,660 --> 02:00:59,760
favor tonight would be stone for not wearing a burka. They would be castigated

1653
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:07,400
beaten with rods. They would be thrown in a pit. We've seen it before and we know

1654
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:11,640
what this religion does. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

1655
02:01:14,430 --> 02:01:16,150
Okay so next up is

1656
02:01:16,150 --> 02:01:22,650
on Jackson after Allen Jackson is Carla Morris and then after Carla on deck is it looks

1657
02:01:22,650 --> 02:01:27,090
like Caleb Mitchell on here, it's said about supporting information, material, and I passed

1658
02:01:27,090 --> 02:01:27,470
it out.

1659
02:01:27,690 --> 02:01:27,730
Sure.

1660
02:01:29,890 --> 02:01:31,570
Then we won't have time to read it where you're talking.

1661
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:48,410
Well actually we're not the city council anyway, we're the planning commission.

1662
02:01:51,950 --> 02:01:52,990
My name is Allen Jackson.

1663
02:01:54,980 --> 02:02:00,040
This is a notice to the Broken Arrow Planning Commission on the Islamic Center site.

1664
02:02:00,780 --> 02:02:02,160
Notice the age and is knows the principle.

1665
02:02:02,280 --> 02:02:05,860
Notice the principles and notice the age and I, Alan Jackson, one of the people that

1666
02:02:05,860 --> 02:02:09,880
have seen in the Oklahoma State Constitution Republican informed, Suri Juris, to present you

1667
02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:14,840
this notice by necessity for your, you and your age and to take immediate due care.

1668
02:02:15,180 --> 02:02:18,540
No on the Islamic Center, property zoning change.

1669
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:20,660
Please take notice that.

1670
02:02:20,660 --> 02:02:25,660
The Oklahoma State is a common law state and at the Christian religion's part of the common

1671
02:02:25,660 --> 02:02:31,780
law that men and women are born free and equal and have certain natural, essential and

1672
02:02:31,780 --> 02:02:35,860
absolute rights that they are endowed by their creative with certain enabler rights, see

1673
02:02:35,860 --> 02:02:41,860
evidence below the Oklahoma Constitution preamble, invoking the guidance of Almighty God in

1674
02:02:41,860 --> 02:02:47,680
order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty to secure just and rightful government

1675
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:51,460
To promote the mutual welfare and happiness, we, the people of state of Oklahoma,

1676
02:02:51,460 --> 02:02:55,220
Doris, Dane, and Establishist Constitution, maximum of law.

1677
02:02:55,480 --> 02:02:58,460
The Christian religion is part of the common law, maximum of law.

1678
02:02:58,500 --> 02:03:02,000
That which is against divine law, is repugnant to society and is void.

1679
02:03:02,540 --> 02:03:08,400
The Northwest Ordinance, 1787, that we are hereby ordained and declare they are by authority.

1680
02:03:09,020 --> 02:03:12,220
The compact between the original states, the people and the states and the territories.

1681
02:03:12,420 --> 02:03:13,480
And Oklahoma was the territory.

1682
02:03:13,480 --> 02:03:18,720
The habitats of the territory shall at all times be entitled to these benefits, proceeding

1683
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:20,500
according to the course of common law.

1684
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:26,740
Whenever any state shall be admitted into the United States on equal footing with the original

1685
02:03:26,740 --> 02:03:29,340
states and all aspects and respects whatsoever.

1686
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:34,480
Oklahoma Constitution Article 2, Bill of Rights, Section 1, all political powers inherited

1687
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:35,060
in the people.

1688
02:03:35,500 --> 02:03:39,460
And the government's instituted for our benefit, our protection, the extremely protection

1689
02:03:39,460 --> 02:03:42,120
security and benefit to promote the general welfare.

1690
02:03:42,120 --> 02:03:51,240
The definition of a common right, black's law forth, a right that pertains and provides, excuse me,

1691
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:54,160
that a right applied to rights, privileges, immunities,

1692
02:03:54,300 --> 02:03:58,300
a pertain to and enjoyed all by all citizens equally in common,

1693
02:03:58,360 --> 02:04:00,620
and they have their foundation in the common law.

1694
02:04:00,940 --> 02:04:04,420
Maxim of law, all political powers inherent in the people by decree of God,

1695
02:04:04,620 --> 02:04:07,260
thus none exist except derived from them.

1696
02:04:07,560 --> 02:04:10,320
Maxim of law, the main object of your garments for protection,

1697
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:16,140
preservation of personal rights, private property, public liberty, and upholding the law of God.

1698
02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:21,420
Virginia Constitution art, Bill of Rights, section 15, that no free government, nor the blessings

1699
02:04:21,420 --> 02:04:25,860
of liberty can be served to any people, but by a frequent occurrence to fundamental principles,

1700
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:31,040
and that free government rest as does all progress upon the broadest possible diffusional knowledge,

1701
02:04:31,460 --> 02:04:37,620
as agents and servants and trustees of the people. Vote no, this notices sent to you in the peace

1702
02:04:37,620 --> 02:04:40,020
and with the love of Christ so that you may provide

1703
02:04:40,020 --> 02:04:43,620
do care for those who have all political power, the people.

1704
02:04:44,180 --> 02:04:44,680
Thank you.

1705
02:04:44,740 --> 02:04:45,560
Thank you.

1706
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:46,960
Okay.

1707
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:49,860
Next is Carla Morris.

1708
02:04:50,340 --> 02:04:51,960
On deck is cable cable.

1709
02:04:52,440 --> 02:04:53,180
I just found out about it.

1710
02:04:53,180 --> 02:04:55,120
Your commerce issue will come documented.

1711
02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:56,360
Thank you.

1712
02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:57,660
Yes, thank you.

1713
02:04:58,040 --> 02:05:02,660
On deck will be Caleb Mitchell and then after Caleb will be Ralph McClendon.

1714
02:05:04,240 --> 02:05:04,800
Go ahead.

1715
02:05:05,020 --> 02:05:06,640
Hello, my name is Carla Morris.

1716
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:15,460
I appreciate this opportunity to speak with you very much, and I am excited to see that the

1717
02:05:15,460 --> 02:05:22,120
Constitution is being upheld tonight, and that people are speaking freely from their heart,

1718
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:33,720
as well as they've done the research, Ditto on the ones who brought up the overloading

1719
02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:40,840
of the sewerage system and the noise factor and people who have actually lived in societies

1720
02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:43,720
where this type of mosque operates.

1721
02:05:44,240 --> 02:05:47,720
Dido, you know, thank you for doing your research.

1722
02:05:49,680 --> 02:05:54,420
What I want to say is I want to bring up something that no one's brought up.

1723
02:05:54,420 --> 02:05:56,980
It's already agriculture, you know.

1724
02:05:56,980 --> 02:05:59,400
And we need more farming.

1725
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:09,420
We do, I mean, why are our president has brought up

1726
02:06:09,420 --> 02:06:13,740
that we need to stop foreign countries

1727
02:06:13,740 --> 02:06:19,280
from buying property in our communities, okay?

1728
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:26,160
And why we would even let Islamic into our country

1729
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:34,100
and all, and for is beyond me, 493. I don't know if you know it,

1730
02:06:34,140 --> 02:06:43,580
most across this nation. All they have to do is, all they have to do is just send a text.

1731
02:06:44,160 --> 02:06:50,970
It's time to take over America. That's all they have to do. So why are we even

1732
02:06:53,850 --> 02:07:01,690
considering putting another mosque in this area and all of these people are saying no we don't

1733
02:07:01,690 --> 02:07:07,850
want it. They're even saying we'll pay more we'll pay more taxes if this is the

1734
02:07:07,850 --> 02:07:12,670
problem we'll pay more taxes whatever it takes but we're not going to let our rule

1735
02:07:12,670 --> 02:07:19,750
community turn into a mosque where we have what we don't have what we move to a

1736
02:07:19,750 --> 02:07:26,810
community for. We don't have privacy. We don't have that quiet peacefulness. You know,

1737
02:07:26,910 --> 02:07:34,110
if you live in a neighborhood, you put up with a little more noise. You put up with people walking

1738
02:07:34,110 --> 02:07:40,770
in front of your property. When you're out on egg reach, you don't have that. You have,

1739
02:07:41,590 --> 02:07:49,210
you have your five acres. You know, and nobody gets to trespass. You know, this is what these people are

1740
02:07:49,210 --> 02:07:58,670
after that leave there. Okay? And so I just, I don't get it. Why would we even consider it?

1741
02:07:58,750 --> 02:08:06,890
Why are we letting our nation be taken over by Islam when we're over in Israel, fighting

1742
02:08:07,630 --> 02:08:15,090
to help, to stop this radicalism? Thank you. Thank you. All right, Caleb Mitchell.

1743
02:08:15,950 --> 02:08:21,110
Then Ralph McClendon, on deck and then after Ralph will be Mark Smith.

1744
02:08:24,700 --> 02:08:29,540
Hello, my name is Caleb Mitchell, thank you for the opportunity to speak. I would like to address

1745
02:08:29,540 --> 02:08:35,600
a couple of the concerns that have been brought up by several of the speakers this evening. In

1746
02:08:36,300 --> 02:08:42,320
reference to the noise complaints that you may get, it would be no different than the church bells

1747
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:45,980
that ring in the Roses District every hour and every half hour.

1748
02:08:47,140 --> 02:08:55,540
Folks, please, it is as simple as that on, and sorry, my heart is racing right now because

1749
02:08:55,540 --> 02:09:00,660
I am seeing the beauty and the ugly of my community.

1750
02:09:01,380 --> 02:09:08,480
I will be living half a mile from this facility and I could not be happier to welcome another

1751
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:09,420
group of faith.

1752
02:09:09,420 --> 02:09:11,720
and I would be standing here in favor of any faith.

1753
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:17,240
Whether that be Christian, Muslim, Islamic, Indian,

1754
02:09:18,640 --> 02:09:19,840
I can't even speak Hindu.

1755
02:09:20,060 --> 02:09:20,820
That's what I meant.

1756
02:09:22,180 --> 02:09:23,860
All deserve the rights.

1757
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:28,580
And then coming before us to ask to build in our community

1758
02:09:28,580 --> 02:09:32,240
should speak to our community and have itself.

1759
02:09:32,940 --> 02:09:34,690
Because most of the countries that I'm

1760
02:09:34,690 --> 02:09:42,270
But ingress egress, big words, they would be the same sort of issue for any sort of development

1761
02:09:42,270 --> 02:09:43,590
that goes in there.

1762
02:09:44,230 --> 02:09:49,450
Across the street, there is a event center that has ingress egress issues.

1763
02:09:49,530 --> 02:09:52,030
If you've ever seen somebody try to leave that place, it's crazy.

1764
02:09:53,290 --> 02:09:57,550
Any sort of building in that area is going to have pain and growing pains.

1765
02:09:58,450 --> 02:10:04,450
And as I drive by that corner twice a week, or twice a day, five days a week to take my

1766
02:10:04,450 --> 02:10:13,290
Sunday school, it needs to be addressed, but not in the fact that it would be a cause for

1767
02:10:13,290 --> 02:10:14,970
concern for this mosque.

1768
02:10:18,510 --> 02:10:24,210
I hate the comments that are being spoken this evening.

1769
02:10:24,210 --> 02:10:30,170
And I just wish those who are here to represent the mosque.

1770
02:10:30,790 --> 02:10:34,130
I look forward to having you as a neighbor and welcome to Broken Arrow.

1771
02:10:34,130 --> 02:10:34,750
All right.

1772
02:10:36,070 --> 02:10:36,510
Okay.

1773
02:10:36,870 --> 02:10:37,850
Ralph McClendon.

1774
02:10:38,610 --> 02:10:40,330
Then Mark Smith on deck.

1775
02:10:40,590 --> 02:10:43,210
And then after Mark Smith, Chris Jacobson.

1776
02:10:55,010 --> 02:10:56,090
My name is Ralph McClendon.

1777
02:10:56,090 --> 02:10:57,370
I was raised in Broken Arrow.

1778
02:10:57,410 --> 02:10:58,310
I graduated from Broken Arrow.

1779
02:10:58,370 --> 02:11:00,130
I was still more years ago than I like to admit.

1780
02:11:00,530 --> 02:11:01,030
I'm pretty old.

1781
02:11:01,710 --> 02:11:02,110
Anyway,

1782
02:11:04,310 --> 02:11:07,190
I have no people with this modic place, so I'm going to be a very good friend of mine.

1783
02:11:07,330 --> 02:11:08,210
They're not all bad.

1784
02:11:08,490 --> 02:11:11,070
I mean, they're just as much different than them as their different secretions.

1785
02:11:11,770 --> 02:11:13,290
They have their, they're not all bad people.

1786
02:11:13,390 --> 02:11:17,190
There are some of the who are and their Bible with the Quran,

1787
02:11:17,930 --> 02:11:20,110
since it's okay to kill anybody as an Israel.

1788
02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:23,010
And then Bill is anybody that doesn't believe the same way they do.

1789
02:11:23,650 --> 02:11:25,990
They're not beyond burning it out of Christian churches.

1790
02:11:26,470 --> 02:11:28,890
They think it's supposed to them.

1791
02:11:29,210 --> 02:11:32,710
They also have an engineer, if he's listening to the invite of the ones over in Michigan,

1792
02:11:33,750 --> 02:11:37,290
they said, we will try peacefully, first, but if necessary, we will go by force.

1793
02:11:37,710 --> 02:11:41,570
They have found caches of ammunition and automatic weapons and some of these miles.

1794
02:11:42,010 --> 02:11:44,510
We don't want that in Brooklyn, I don't think they do it.

1795
02:11:45,550 --> 02:11:46,310
I don't think so.

1796
02:11:46,930 --> 02:11:51,190
So we have a chance to keep this from going up, even this level.

1797
02:11:51,730 --> 02:11:54,130
Now this has nothing to do with the land and all that.

1798
02:11:54,130 --> 02:12:01,110
But we have a chance to say no to it and if we don't do it now that I would hope we do it on the building permits.

1799
02:12:01,730 --> 02:12:10,510
But I would encourage this not let us not be built because I think we will suffer adverse reactions later on.

1800
02:12:11,130 --> 02:12:15,810
And it's been said, if you vote something in, but if it's wrong, you may have to shoot your way out.

1801
02:12:15,970 --> 02:12:19,250
That's why I think I encourage this not let us think we will be built.

1802
02:12:19,290 --> 02:12:20,230
Thank you.

1803
02:12:20,230 --> 02:12:21,230
Thank you.

1804
02:12:23,770 --> 02:12:30,470
Hey, Mark Smith, thank Chris Jacobson on deck and after Chris Jacobson, low stall.

1805
02:12:31,770 --> 02:12:32,650
So Mark Smith.

1806
02:12:53,900 --> 02:12:55,060
Appreciate your patience.

1807
02:12:55,700 --> 02:12:56,440
No problem.

1808
02:12:57,180 --> 02:12:57,720
Please state your name.

1809
02:12:57,840 --> 02:12:58,920
Looks like we're here all night.

1810
02:12:59,260 --> 02:13:00,560
Mm-hmm.

1811
02:13:00,660 --> 02:13:04,600
My name is Mark Smith, 40 years living in broken air.

1812
02:13:05,980 --> 02:13:12,160
Commissioners, you all have experience dealing with government entities like the sovereign

1813
02:13:12,160 --> 02:13:14,880
Creek Nation and their KELIGI tribe.

1814
02:13:15,600 --> 02:13:19,560
Today, a similarity, but in this situation,

1815
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:23,100
it involves the Islamic society of Tulsa.

1816
02:13:24,720 --> 02:13:27,920
Just like in the past, there are two plans

1817
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:31,760
and two unique self-serving interests that

1818
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:34,160
are in conflict concerning this property.

1819
02:13:35,160 --> 02:13:38,820
The BA next comprehensive plan is our city growth plan

1820
02:13:38,820 --> 02:13:41,700
with many strict and forced ordinances.

1821
02:13:42,380 --> 02:13:46,360
The A next is a secular plan for growth.

1822
02:13:47,820 --> 02:13:53,340
The Islamic Society of Tulsa Plan is stated in their constitution, and I quote,

1823
02:13:54,060 --> 02:13:59,400
the aims and purposes of the IST shall be to serve the best interest of Islam

1824
02:13:59,400 --> 02:14:07,780
in the greater Tulsa area, to enable Muslims, to practice Islam as a complete way of life.

1825
02:14:07,780 --> 02:14:15,120
This identifies the Islamic Society of Tulsa as an Islamic Dean.

1826
02:14:16,020 --> 02:14:22,880
A Dean is complete submission and obedience scholar covering all aspects of life including

1827
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:29,740
religion, social, political, economic and legal systems, guiding community and state.

1828
02:14:30,720 --> 02:14:36,080
The IST falsely presents itself sometimes as a religion rather than a Dean.

1829
02:14:36,080 --> 02:14:56,420
This is an effort to create political sympathy forism that is felt by the City Commission and Council members who are placed in a difficult position to avoid being labeled Islamophobic or being put at risk of violating federal discrimination laws.

1830
02:14:56,420 --> 02:14:59,960
Two plans, one secular and one way of

1831
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,520
Life. But heads, at this proposal to build a moss center in Broken Arrow, they do not mix well for it all.

1832
02:15:08,160 --> 02:15:16,180
In the proposal shows the mosque to include a 2700 square foot future retail center. Question,

1833
02:15:17,100 --> 02:15:23,940
would a Catholic or Baptist or a Jewish bookstore be allowed to sign a lease to operate in the moss

1834
02:15:23,940 --> 02:15:32,060
retail center. How about a small cafe that serves a traditional breakfast menu? Who enforces rental

1835
02:15:32,060 --> 02:15:39,740
lease policies at this retail center? How will the city enforce noise ordinances at the mosque?

1836
02:15:39,940 --> 02:15:45,860
Five calls to prayer every day will be heard at the Forge Innovation District, TTC, churches,

1837
02:15:45,860 --> 02:15:53,800
neighborhoods, Eland Park, elementary schools, apartment complexes, and a golf course.

1838
02:15:54,940 --> 02:16:00,620
Why would the B.A. next comprehensive plan allow revenue, rentability, and property

1839
02:16:00,620 --> 02:16:01,920
values to diminish?

1840
02:16:02,740 --> 02:16:03,540
I'm almost done in the most.

1841
02:16:05,100 --> 02:16:10,060
The Islamic Society of Talsas associated with care designated to terrorist group by the

1842
02:16:10,060 --> 02:16:10,960
states of Texas.

1843
02:16:11,240 --> 02:16:12,120
We're going to have to explore it.

1844
02:16:12,120 --> 02:16:13,420
And before that, how much do you actually have?

1845
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:14,580
We've got two sentences.

1846
02:16:14,580 --> 02:16:44,180
Okay, good. Different differing neighborhood dynamics, tensions between cultures, tenant turnover, noise pollution, increased traffic and parking issues, do you want to attract more citizens to this part of B.A. or not? Please vote no, on both issues. Thank you. Okay, so if I don't set you, I'm sorry. No, I'm fine. If I don't set you off, then everybody else will add a minute to make whatever so we can do that.

1847
02:16:44,180 --> 02:16:51,140
next up is Chris Jacobson then both stall on deck and after Bo Linda M.

1848
02:16:54,480 --> 02:16:55,160
Thank you

1849
02:16:55,160 --> 02:17:00,400
commissioners for allowing me to speak and also for what all you do. I'm here

1850
02:17:00,400 --> 02:17:07,340
as a name please. Oh, I'm sorry Chris Jacobson. I live at roughly 131. You

1851
02:17:07,340 --> 02:17:10,620
don't have to say you're at it. And 129. I'm trying to give you a

1852
02:17:10,620 --> 02:17:15,660
relative thank. Okay. So I live on 15 acres have been here 31 years. Okay. My

1853
02:17:15,660 --> 02:17:18,180
concern is the septic sewage aspect.

1854
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:22,700
The issue I have is the Parker Oak Grove was built to the north

1855
02:17:22,700 --> 02:17:27,480
me on 88 acres, and I live on the 15 acres south of it.

1856
02:17:27,860 --> 02:17:33,560
They don't have sewages, we all know, so they have anaerobic systems out there.

1857
02:17:33,800 --> 02:17:36,600
When I moved here 31 years ago, I could go anywhere on my property.

1858
02:17:37,680 --> 02:17:41,940
I could not go into south into my property because of all the water that's come out of

1859
02:17:41,940 --> 02:17:43,140
these anaerobic systems.

1860
02:17:43,720 --> 02:17:50,540
So, if you go back to the picture, where the mosque is going to be built, it's on the high ground.

1861
02:17:51,660 --> 02:17:53,420
And that's where the park is going to be.

1862
02:17:53,440 --> 02:17:55,120
That's going to be a parking lot.

1863
02:17:56,060 --> 02:17:57,500
You're not going to park a parking lot.

1864
02:17:59,660 --> 02:18:01,440
Where I live is the old riverbank.

1865
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:04,600
So, on the south side of my property, it's very poor.

1866
02:18:05,420 --> 02:18:07,920
On the north side of my property is the overbank.

1867
02:18:08,260 --> 02:18:11,200
And I'm a control engineer, so I know a little bit about this.

1868
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:19,320
that dirt up air is like top and bottom. Nothing so extreme. So what I'm concerned about is you're

1869
02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:26,540
creating a major drainage problem for the people that are down-depth south of that property. I mean I'm

1870
02:18:26,540 --> 02:18:33,480
really being serious here. Second thing. This is the most we'll need to.

1871
02:18:35,780 --> 02:18:38,940
We saw the dupe, the purpose

1872
02:18:38,940 --> 02:18:44,880
of the events center. That was going to be a steakhouse. And then the steakhouse was going to have

1873
02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:52,840
gambling machines. And that the Muscogee nation had to intervene for two years and take control

1874
02:18:52,840 --> 02:18:59,240
of that property. So it's not like we haven't had this issue before. Saying thing on the North

1875
02:18:59,240 --> 02:19:04,960
West side. That's the South West side of that on the North West side. The city of Broken Arrow had

1876
02:19:04,960 --> 02:19:12,440
intervene to stop that casino being built there. So again, guys, we've seen this before. So

1877
02:19:12,440 --> 02:19:19,680
for a little sensitive, there's a reason. Okay, third bank, traffic. In the mornings, we back

1878
02:19:19,680 --> 02:19:28,300
up past the cemetery. In fact, we back up to where the old peach house was. Some of us love that place.

1879
02:19:28,300 --> 02:19:37,040
But my point to you is the city, all of us when used to look like all of, it was one lane.

1880
02:19:37,700 --> 02:19:42,700
And the city had to foresight to widen that out, and now look at the development we have over there.

1881
02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:48,340
This is premature. We're going to have another exacerbated traffic problem.

1882
02:19:48,340 --> 02:19:57,480
And in my concern is, why would we want a mosque taken up this land when we could have commercial

1883
02:19:57,480 --> 02:20:01,280
development at the appropriate time when we have the facilities?

1884
02:20:02,560 --> 02:20:03,980
And I'm out of the space.

1885
02:20:04,520 --> 02:20:04,600
Thank you.

1886
02:20:04,600 --> 02:20:04,720
Thank you.

1887
02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:05,120
Thank you.

1888
02:20:05,180 --> 02:20:05,480
Thank you.

1889
02:20:06,040 --> 02:20:06,060
Thank you.

1890
02:20:06,060 --> 02:20:06,420
Thank you.

1891
02:20:06,420 --> 02:20:07,480
Thank you.

1892
02:20:09,300 --> 02:20:09,660
Okay.

1893
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:10,880
Next up.

1894
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:16,560
install after Bo, Linda M on deck, and after Linda John McCabe.

1895
02:20:17,660 --> 02:20:22,520
Good afternoon. My name is Bo. I've been married 41 years. I have eight children six

1896
02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:30,740
of which are adopted. I am a disabled vet. I chose Tulsa County to raise my children. My

1897
02:20:30,740 --> 02:20:38,140
youngest is eight years old. I am here to ask you to consider what you're doing. Yes,

1898
02:20:38,140 --> 02:20:47,180
This is a coding issue and the reason I'm asking you to consider this as a coding issue I grew up in Saudi Arabia.

1899
02:20:50,600 --> 02:20:52,580
I've been in over 40 countries.

1900
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:58,920
My husband and I oversee over 5,000 ministries worldwide.

1901
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:02,380
Most of them are in Muslim countries.

1902
02:21:03,500 --> 02:21:06,960
I've been in Afghanistan, Pakistan, UAE, Qatar,

1903
02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:11,090
Sudan, Uganda.

1904
02:21:12,450 --> 02:21:21,130
Congo, I've seen refugees. I've seen pastors who body have been cut up. I've seen Muslims

1905
02:21:21,130 --> 02:21:30,910
who have been chopped up and killed and murdered. Yes, this is a code issue. It takes a

1906
02:21:30,910 --> 02:21:39,090
see to create great oaks and it takes good men to do nothing to create create great

1907
02:21:39,090 --> 02:21:47,970
evils. This is a beautiful town and we've chosen to relocate from Alaska to live

1908
02:21:47,970 --> 02:21:54,330
here and make this home. We did not come here to bring our children to a

1909
02:21:56,610 --> 02:22:08,130
I've lived in Saudi Arabia. I grew up there. I heard the call of prayer five times a day and you say it won't happen here, but it will.

1910
02:22:08,990 --> 02:22:13,670
I've heard the lies. I've heard I've lived it.

1911
02:22:16,780 --> 02:22:21,920
Please consider the coding. There are codes to stop this.

1912
02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:34,500
I've learned firsthand. I've seen the women. I've seen the child abuse of marriage. I've healed. I've hid women in my home from the abuse.

1913
02:22:34,500 --> 02:22:40,380
I've hit men to get out of the country from being honored killed.

1914
02:22:42,590 --> 02:22:44,330
I've lived it firsthand.

1915
02:22:45,190 --> 02:22:47,490
This is not what we want in Tulsa.

1916
02:22:47,970 --> 02:22:50,310
This is not what we want in Broken Arrow,

1917
02:22:50,770 --> 02:22:54,730
or in Oklahoma, or in the United States of America.

1918
02:22:55,850 --> 02:22:59,130
We are a land of the free and home of the brave.

1919
02:23:00,410 --> 02:23:03,710
Do not give up our freedom so easily.

1920
02:23:03,710 --> 02:23:07,090
for it has been fought with a heavy price,

1921
02:23:09,260 --> 02:23:13,680
stand for freedom, freedom for all people but

1922
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:17,600
protect it with your lives for so many of us have.

1923
02:23:18,480 --> 02:23:19,100
Thank you.

1924
02:23:19,420 --> 02:23:20,440
Thank you.

1925
02:23:22,980 --> 02:23:31,540
Okay, coming up is Linda M on deck is John McCabe and after John McCabe, Tammy Keifer.

1926
02:23:32,540 --> 02:23:33,060
I'm here.

1927
02:23:33,860 --> 02:23:38,000
Thank you for having us come and be able to share what's going on.

1928
02:23:38,180 --> 02:23:39,540
I am an awarding minister.

1929
02:23:40,260 --> 02:23:43,440
Please, please, please, I am an awarding minister.

1930
02:23:43,740 --> 02:23:44,500
And I am a person.

1931
02:23:46,140 --> 02:23:48,020
And that's mainly why I'm here tonight.

1932
02:23:48,460 --> 02:23:49,880
I've been wanting to do your name.

1933
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:50,480
I've been wanting to do all of you.

1934
02:23:50,480 --> 02:23:51,200
Please, thank you.

1935
02:23:52,040 --> 02:23:54,320
I've been wanting to talk to the City Council too.

1936
02:23:54,500 --> 02:23:55,880
And all of the police force.

1937
02:23:57,020 --> 02:24:00,520
We do have some, we do have some, we do have some.

1938
02:24:00,520 --> 02:24:08,240
police that are interested in this, but John Guandola.com, you need to find out more information

1939
02:24:08,240 --> 02:24:08,560
there.

1940
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:12,060
They will come and train you to see what's going on.

1941
02:24:13,140 --> 02:24:16,980
But the FBI released in 2014,

1942
02:24:19,260 --> 02:24:25,980
2019, the explanatory memorandum on general strategic goals for

1943
02:24:25,980 --> 02:24:27,660
the Brotherhood in North America.

1944
02:24:27,660 --> 02:24:33,180
They are tied to every mosque of the North American Islamic Society.

1945
02:24:34,260 --> 02:24:42,640
It says, this is an actual document used in the courts, the process of settlement of civilization,

1946
02:24:43,440 --> 02:24:48,260
the Equan, which is the Muslim Brotherhood, must understand that their work in America is

1947
02:24:48,260 --> 02:24:54,600
a kind of grandgeod in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and

1948
02:24:54,600 --> 02:25:00,740
sabotaging it's miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated.

1949
02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:08,520
And God's, our all is religion, is made victorious over all of the religions.

1950
02:25:09,180 --> 02:25:14,760
Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves to geod yet.

1951
02:25:14,760 --> 02:25:30,420
It is a Muslim's destiny to perform G-Hod and wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.

1952
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:40,120
This is from Muhammad Akram, the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1991, is when they put this together.

1953
02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:48,920
This is done known by the president. That's why he's working so hard to to stop this now and it's not that we don't love you

1954
02:25:49,780 --> 02:26:00,400
Man, you have to address us. We have to learn to live in peace together and and stop lying to the governments and you need to

1955
02:26:00,400 --> 02:26:04,120
Man, you need to talk in my phone. So we get it on record. Not everybody is

1956
02:26:06,740 --> 02:26:07,260
Radicalized

1957
02:26:07,260 --> 02:26:21,180
But if they follow Sharia, they will be, and they train their kindergarten kids to wave swords and kill Christians and Jews.

1958
02:26:21,960 --> 02:26:32,300
This is on video, this is from the FBI. So get training John Gondola, G-U-A-N-D-O-L-O-L-O.

1959
02:26:33,440 --> 02:26:39,440
get your officers trained. It's coming and they have a mandate right now. That's why this is being built.

1960
02:26:39,860 --> 02:26:48,500
They have a mandate to move out from Michigan, New York, Texas, they're coming and see they're trying to kick them out of Texas.

1961
02:26:48,780 --> 02:26:54,560
So a lot of them are wanting to come up here too. It is a G.

1962
02:26:54,560 --> 02:26:56,560
Thank you.

1963
02:26:56,560 --> 02:26:57,420
Take heart to that.

1964
02:26:57,680 --> 02:26:59,780
John Gondola.com.

1965
02:27:00,460 --> 02:27:00,860
Thank you.

1966
02:27:00,880 --> 02:27:01,380
And this friend.

1967
02:27:01,960 --> 02:27:02,180
Next.

1968
02:27:02,400 --> 02:27:03,540
He was a former president.

1969
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:05,520
He's he knows everything.

1970
02:27:05,940 --> 02:27:06,120
Okay.

1971
02:27:06,400 --> 02:27:07,480
Thank you.

1972
02:27:07,940 --> 02:27:08,080
Okay.

1973
02:27:08,520 --> 02:27:09,060
John the K.

1974
02:27:09,820 --> 02:27:10,460
Then Tammy.

1975
02:27:11,160 --> 02:27:12,020
Keefer on deck.

1976
02:27:12,300 --> 02:27:13,160
And then after Tammy.

1977
02:27:14,380 --> 02:27:14,840
Carimi.

1978
02:27:18,690 --> 02:27:21,210
Can any chairman commission.

1979
02:27:21,470 --> 02:27:21,870
Thank you.

1980
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:22,530
I'm a top.

1981
02:27:22,670 --> 02:27:23,950
My name is John the K.

1982
02:27:24,590 --> 02:27:27,250
I've been broken out for over 25 years.

1983
02:27:27,790 --> 02:27:30,010
the county of Tulsa for over 45.

1984
02:27:31,710 --> 02:27:35,550
First thing I want to address has to do with the sewage issue.

1985
02:27:36,330 --> 02:27:39,410
I like to know what floodplain that that track of land is.

1986
02:27:39,590 --> 02:27:40,650
That a hard year flood plan.

1987
02:27:41,270 --> 02:27:45,170
Well, I'm sure it's I'm sure the blue stream I'm sure it's got a floodplain.

1988
02:27:45,270 --> 02:27:47,210
It's got a hundred year and it's got a 500 year on it.

1989
02:27:47,370 --> 02:27:49,210
So I would have to ask the engineering.

1990
02:27:49,310 --> 02:27:50,130
All that I can tell.

1991
02:27:50,690 --> 02:27:55,310
And the reason being is we live in Oklahoma and we know that

1992
02:27:55,310 --> 02:28:02,570
your foot plans have in every 20 years or less. Keep that in mind. Whatever you do, make sure

1993
02:28:02,570 --> 02:28:08,150
it makes a five-year standard that they're going to have surface roll off from their waste

1994
02:28:08,150 --> 02:28:13,470
one. There's requirements they had to go by state federal. That's one issue. The second issue

1995
02:28:13,470 --> 02:28:21,070
has to do with disturbing the peace. Okay, and I know they talked about saying their prayers

1996
02:28:21,070 --> 02:28:24,970
will get outside of the four walls of your mouth, or shortly of their mouth.

1997
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:31,730
Anyhow, I would like to let everybody know that the City of Broken Arrow just updated

1998
02:28:31,730 --> 02:28:38,390
their section 1612 disturbing the peace, adding a new subsection addressing noise.

1999
02:28:40,130 --> 02:28:42,650
And the bottom line of that is

2000
02:28:47,060 --> 02:28:51,540
they have amended it so that noise can exceed excessive limit

2001
02:28:51,540 --> 02:28:52,940
for up to 10 minutes.

2002
02:28:54,100 --> 02:29:01,800
So that means if a mid-rad or outside communication devices are put up, they could say they're

2003
02:29:01,800 --> 02:29:07,540
prepared for up to 10 minutes by casting out, we say, three hour yards and three hour

2004
02:29:07,540 --> 02:29:13,780
feet in the residential area, it doesn't address the management or local churches.

2005
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:18,920
And so unless you're all going to put something in the document, stating that for 99 years

2006
02:29:18,920 --> 02:29:27,660
no outside, mid-ret or speaker system will be allowed, fine. Keep that in mind. If you

2007
02:29:27,660 --> 02:29:32,660
don't put that in there, then at five years now, if that mask is built, they're going

2008
02:29:32,660 --> 02:29:42,700
to be back here asking for that mid-ret. Okay, the second thing I want to address has to

2009
02:29:42,700 --> 02:29:47,800
do with Sharia law.

2010
02:29:48,900 --> 02:29:51,180
That says all politics is local.

2011
02:29:52,660 --> 02:29:53,640
Here I am local.

2012
02:29:54,380 --> 02:29:56,980
Sharia law is the political arm of the Muslim place.

2013
02:29:57,820 --> 02:29:58,700
It is not there.

2014
02:29:59,580 --> 02:29:59,960
Religious.

2015
02:30:01,320 --> 02:30:11,360
Even though they don't separate it, our constitution and the state does. So it's a real law, it's a political arm and a Muslim faith and it's not empowered with our United States constitution.

2016
02:30:12,400 --> 02:30:20,460
Regardless of what Oklahoma courts have ruled, this country is ruled by the people and for the people, not just for the courts.

2017
02:30:21,060 --> 02:30:24,000
Our Constitution is based on God's law, through the founders,

2018
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because there's a covenant with God himself.

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God has the final say, it will be careful how you rule,

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because if you rule against our covenant,

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Constitution, we have a God like Israel has,

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then you're going to guess what God wants.

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Thank you. Thank you for your time.

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Okay, Tammy Kiefer, then Carmen Carimi,

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And then, Jamie, the tell.

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Good evening.

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My name is Tammy Kiefer.

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I'm a retired veteran.

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I have over 20 years of active duty experience,

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and I was on active duty during Afghanistan and Iraq.

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02:31:16,940 --> 02:31:20,560
My question to you that I don't think anybody has brought forward is

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The North American Islamic Trust or Nate is part of a network of organizations, including the ISNA,

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02:31:30,460 --> 02:31:33,140
C-A-I-R, and the MSA.

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02:31:34,140 --> 02:31:41,120
They work in concert to push the extreme sector of Islam within the United States.

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The North America Islamic Trust or Nate, sorry,

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02:31:50,930 --> 02:31:54,130
serves Muslims in the United States and

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02:31:54,130 --> 02:31:55,110
their institutions.

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02:31:56,670 --> 02:32:03,810
Nate facilities, facilitates the realization of the American Muslims desire for a

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02:32:03,810 --> 02:32:09,650
Sharia compliant way in my training in the military.

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02:32:10,650 --> 02:32:18,990
I have had I was forced to learn how to wear the headdress.

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I'm Christian.

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I was forced by my chain of command to comply with Sharia law.

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02:32:28,630 --> 02:32:33,810
In case I had to leave my forward observation base.

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02:32:34,950 --> 02:32:36,050
I'm a Christian.

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02:32:37,350 --> 02:32:42,510
I was being forced under their Sharia law to wear the headdress.

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02:32:44,290 --> 02:32:47,390
They took away my rights because I was in their country.

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02:32:49,710 --> 02:32:54,570
What happens if they use Sharia law here?

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02:32:54,610 --> 02:32:56,070
I'm walking down the street.

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02:32:56,750 --> 02:32:57,530
I'm a Christian.

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02:32:58,150 --> 02:32:59,710
My son is Jewish.

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02:33:02,510 --> 02:33:10,250
What happens then? Am I going to be forced to wear the head dress? Am I going to be forced in the United States to wear a hijab?

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02:33:11,130 --> 02:33:25,910
I have lots of military members in my community. Do you know how much trauma they will have by listening to the Call of Prayer five times a day?

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02:33:27,990 --> 02:33:34,610
We served our country. We retired from our country. We want to live in peace and quiet.

2054
02:33:36,190 --> 02:33:40,390
Okay, so my first question is, under this Nate,

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02:33:41,530 --> 02:33:48,670
okay, isn't the CIR designated as a terrorist organization through both Texas and Florida?

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02:33:49,510 --> 02:33:56,350
That's a problem. Are you going to require forensic accounting of all their assets?

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02:33:56,350 --> 02:33:57,390
the

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second one is, I don't think it should be here. This is a Christian country, they should not be here.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for serving our country.

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02:34:08,870 --> 02:34:18,730
All right. Next up is, I think it's Cameron, Karimi, and then Jamie Vittel on deck after that, and then John Huffins.

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02:34:20,940 --> 02:34:24,660
I appreciate the opportunity to stand before you and share for a few minutes.

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02:34:26,040 --> 02:34:28,420
Please state your name. I'm Cameron. Thank you.

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02:34:29,900 --> 02:34:34,600
I want to bring a different perspective on this.

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02:34:34,600 --> 02:34:35,280
Good, thank you.

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02:34:36,280 --> 02:34:38,580
That we, I live in Tulsa.

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02:34:39,040 --> 02:34:40,500
I've been here since 1982.

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02:34:42,140 --> 02:34:44,420
I came to America 47 years ago.

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Leaving a nation that we've all heard about for past 47 years,

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02:34:50,080 --> 02:34:53,480
about what the atrocity they've caused around the world.

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Iran.

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Okay?

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I make no mistake about what we're doing right here.

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Absolutely make no mistake.

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What we are hearing and I thank God for every one of our

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02:35:07,890 --> 02:35:11,970
servicemen here and the veterans that have spoken and the

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02:35:11,970 --> 02:35:14,230
believers that have spoken about this.

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02:35:14,830 --> 02:35:19,090
I say this because this whole Islamic mosque.

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It's not about worship.

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02:35:21,290 --> 02:35:22,110
It's about a statement.

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02:35:25,080 --> 02:35:28,080
It's about inducing fear

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02:35:28,080 --> 02:35:32,080
fear in the community, which is the root of Islam.

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02:35:32,500 --> 02:35:33,460
Now I love my brother.

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He's my brother.

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02:35:34,480 --> 02:35:42,500
I've given my life to Christ to serve the Muslims and bring the truth to them for 35 years

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02:35:42,500 --> 02:35:50,600
as a pastor and I always say this, once you experience Jesus Christ and see him, you'll never be

2086
02:35:50,600 --> 02:35:53,140
You may discuss it in the market.

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02:35:54,560 --> 02:36:03,640
As I said, once any of you, if you haven't, see Jesus, you'll never be the same.

2088
02:36:04,120 --> 02:36:05,480
That's what happened with this boy.

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I was in business very successful, and the proof of the pudding is in the eating, right?

2090
02:36:11,620 --> 02:36:18,900
So we say the reality is when you experience this experience of Christ, you're willing

2091
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to let it go.

2092
02:36:21,240 --> 02:36:28,100
Let everything go and follow him. Now, I say that for this reason, this whole thing in a practical way

2093
02:36:28,100 --> 02:36:31,880
if you look at it, as I said, this whole thing is about a statement. If you don't believe

2094
02:36:31,880 --> 02:36:38,100
me watching news, watch their news. Watch what just happened last week. Now, I'm not calling

2095
02:36:38,100 --> 02:36:42,720
my brother that, because I, but just looking at him, I don't believe that's the case about him.

2096
02:36:43,460 --> 02:36:49,480
I really, don't, I have great Muslim friends. Like I said, I came from my Muslim background.

2097
02:36:52,390 --> 02:36:58,350
The reality is this, this whole thing that we're talking about here, I'm going to read this to you.

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02:37:00,210 --> 02:37:04,450
The North American Islamic Trust, we've heard several times on this on this.

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02:37:04,590 --> 02:37:10,530
You need to check the finances, where the Lord told me this yesterday, follow the money's well.

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If you don't, you know what happens, once they become majority, they'll have your position.

2101
02:37:18,480 --> 02:37:22,020
And they'll basically give orders to do whatever they wanted it.

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Thanks. Thank you.

2103
02:37:23,740 --> 02:37:24,240
Thank you.

2104
02:37:24,740 --> 02:37:25,240
Thank you.

2105
02:37:25,820 --> 02:37:32,360
Okay, so Jamie, it's out, thank you for fixing that.

2106
02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:38,740
John happens on deck and then Robert Easton on deck.

2107
02:37:41,530 --> 02:37:43,090
Hello, my name is Jamie Pazell.

2108
02:37:43,190 --> 02:37:46,910
I'm a little part because I've been here for a couple of hours without any water.

2109
02:37:48,190 --> 02:37:56,730
I am here to oppose this, to protect the future of my children and please bear with me

2110
02:37:56,730 --> 02:38:01,350
was at Explan. I know you guys are shooting down the religion aspect of it. Oh, thanks.

2111
02:38:06,360 --> 02:38:07,320
Thank you.

2112
02:38:07,900 --> 02:38:09,020
Thank you.

2113
02:38:09,420 --> 02:38:11,000
Anyways, I have three minutes.

2114
02:38:12,640 --> 02:38:17,420
The mosque does not fit with the city's comprehensive plan and should therefore be go to

2115
02:38:17,420 --> 02:38:18,200
down it.

2116
02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:21,380
And I'm going to go into the religion aspect of this.

2117
02:38:22,120 --> 02:38:27,100
In the 70s, women in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan were as free as we are in America today.

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we were free to dress and speak with freedom as I stand here speaking to each and every one of you.

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02:38:33,740 --> 02:38:38,940
There is a reason Europe is taking precautions to protect Christian-like celebrations when masks

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02:38:38,940 --> 02:38:45,860
seem to be untouched. We are the peaceful and the are the threat. In summary, Sharia Law says

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02:38:45,860 --> 02:38:51,720
they will not assimilate but they will dominate takeover and anyone who stands in the way will need to die.

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02:38:51,720 --> 02:38:58,540
The ironic part is those who stick up for this are often liberal who go against everything

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02:38:58,540 --> 02:39:04,300
this religion practices and with their law would die of stoning thrown from a high place

2124
02:39:04,300 --> 02:39:10,450
burned alive and so on. Things they still practice to this day and ex-Muslim has said,

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02:39:11,540 --> 02:39:15,820
you love the chicken, help the chicken, you feed the chicken until it's time to cut off its head.

2126
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That is the way of Hishorella. They play the part then breed and dominate if you don't believe me.

2127
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Read the Quran.

2128
02:39:25,100 --> 02:39:30,680
While some can construe the words of the Bible Christians do not actually harm their followers or otherwise,

2129
02:39:31,260 --> 02:39:35,880
I'd like, I'd also like to shine light on the Nigerian people and the slaughter of their people.

2130
02:39:36,600 --> 02:39:38,260
Where is the news on that?

2131
02:39:44,660 --> 02:39:53,420
There's silent between 2009 and 2023 in Nigeria, at least 52,000 Christians killed 18,500

2132
02:39:53,420 --> 02:39:58,560
abducted and unlikely to have survived, and more than 20,000 churches and Christian schools attacked.

2133
02:39:59,260 --> 02:40:00,820
Again, where's the news on that?

2134
02:40:01,500 --> 02:40:01,800
No.

2135
02:40:02,600 --> 02:40:07,700
I will not say silent while the great state of Oklahoma gets destroyed, like the many countries

2136
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and most recently the state of Michigan has.

2137
02:40:10,820 --> 02:40:14,640
Thank you, and also I would like to say that I was just out.

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02:40:14,640 --> 02:40:27,400
in the area of the hall and my friend was approached another individual and just wanted

2139
02:40:27,400 --> 02:40:37,240
to communicate with him and ask him questions and she is she's Jewish and Arab and the

2140
02:40:37,240 --> 02:40:46,980
Palestinian individual became quite aggressive so I just wanted to put that out there.

2141
02:40:47,380 --> 02:40:48,160
Thank you.

2142
02:40:48,440 --> 02:40:49,120
Thank you.

2143
02:40:49,640 --> 02:40:52,440
Okay, so up next is John Huffins.

2144
02:40:53,460 --> 02:40:57,000
On deck Robert Easton and after Robert Gary Geiger.

2145
02:40:57,340 --> 02:40:59,240
Thank you, John Huffins.

2146
02:41:00,200 --> 02:41:03,580
Thank you chair and commissioners for this opportunity to speak.

2147
02:41:03,580 --> 02:41:09,680
I'm here to respectfully support keeping this approximately 15-acre track

2148
02:41:09,680 --> 02:41:12,520
sound agriculture to

2149
02:41:15,110 --> 02:41:22,510
remain agriculture and to emphasize that the land itself holds significant value in its open form,

2150
02:41:22,950 --> 02:41:29,310
often greater than whatever might be placed on it. Open land is not an empty space awaiting use.

2151
02:41:29,850 --> 02:41:32,910
It is a working asset within the city's planning framework.

2152
02:41:32,910 --> 02:41:39,310
Agricultural zoning preserves land in a condition that supports special balance, providing

2153
02:41:39,310 --> 02:41:44,750
relief from over-concentration and allowing development to occur in a measured, intentional

2154
02:41:44,750 --> 02:41:45,410
pattern.

2155
02:41:46,630 --> 02:41:52,170
This balance strengthens the overall land-use structure and supports long-range planning.

2156
02:41:53,150 --> 02:41:59,890
Equally important, open land performs essential natural functions that developed land cannot

2157
02:41:59,890 --> 02:42:05,850
replicate. In its open form, land absorbs stormwater, supports a natural drainage

2158
02:42:05,850 --> 02:42:10,470
pattern, supports a natural draining patterns, and contributes to groundwater

2159
02:42:10,470 --> 02:42:16,350
recharge. These processes reduce run-off and downstream impacts and help

2160
02:42:16,350 --> 02:42:22,270
protect infrastructure and environmental systems beyond the boundaries of this

2161
02:42:22,270 --> 02:42:27,730
parcel. Once the land is rezone and developed, these intrinsic values are

2162
02:42:27,730 --> 02:42:29,190
predominantly reduced.

2163
02:42:29,890 --> 02:42:35,510
Even well-designed development cannot fully restore the natural performance of open land,

2164
02:42:36,110 --> 02:42:43,250
preserving agricultural zoning protects these benefits today, while maintaining options

2165
02:42:43,250 --> 02:42:44,370
for the future.

2166
02:42:45,590 --> 02:42:52,510
This designation affirms an important planning principle that land has enduring value beyond

2167
02:42:52,510 --> 02:42:54,610
immediate development potential.

2168
02:42:54,610 --> 02:43:01,530
In many cases, the land itself open, functioning, and balanced, contributes more to the

2169
02:43:01,530 --> 02:43:04,210
area than additional structures would.

2170
02:43:04,630 --> 02:43:11,250
For these reasons, I respectfully ask the Commission to recommend keeping an

2171
02:43:11,250 --> 02:43:14,010
current agricultural zoning in place.

2172
02:43:14,470 --> 02:43:17,350
I have provided a written statement for the record.

2173
02:43:17,950 --> 02:43:20,090
Thank you for your time and service.

2174
02:43:20,410 --> 02:43:22,270
And strength for you all for the rest of the night.

2175
02:43:22,410 --> 02:43:23,110
Thank you.

2176
02:43:24,570 --> 02:43:30,610
Okay, coming up is Robert Easton, on deck is Gary Geiger, and after Gary is D.D.

2177
02:43:30,910 --> 02:43:33,750
Malayar, I believe is the way to say that.

2178
02:43:34,830 --> 02:43:40,550
Hi, my name is Robert Easton, I've been in the community here in Broken Arrow in Tulsa

2179
02:43:40,550 --> 02:43:50,850
for 26 years as a paramedic, worked at like 5-9 years in Tulsa Tech, I just recently retired

2180
02:43:50,850 --> 02:43:58,190
to go actually volunteer in Israel Army was over there when the war started.

2181
02:43:59,450 --> 02:44:09,890
Understand, things about the whole issue with Islam, and I was over there when the war started,

2182
02:44:10,550 --> 02:44:18,030
and the communities right next to Gaza, they were very progressive, wanted to do everything

2183
02:44:18,030 --> 02:44:25,090
they could do to relate with Gaza, they had them in their homes, found out that they were

2184
02:44:25,090 --> 02:44:31,970
casing their homes, getting things ready for attack. You have to understand that to people

2185
02:44:31,970 --> 02:44:39,710
who are in Islam, anybody who is not of Islam is an infidel and they don't treat them as

2186
02:44:39,710 --> 02:44:51,030
They don't think of them as humans and I've watched that experience that and you know even in this community as a

2187
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:53,170
Parametric instructor teaching terrorism

2188
02:44:54,230 --> 02:44:56,150
had a

2189
02:44:56,150 --> 02:44:58,550
film that was approved by my supervisor

2190
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,380
Sold from me because it was sound out in the Islamic community and Tulsa Islamic community that it was something

2191
02:45:08,380 --> 02:45:16,980
that was exposing what's going on in the world and it didn't shed a good light on them and it was taken from me.

2192
02:45:17,300 --> 02:45:24,960
So just realize there's an influence in this community, there's influence going on, lots of money, but again,

2193
02:45:24,960 --> 02:45:34,820
have to understand or it's coming from, it's not good, and the impact on our community of

2194
02:45:34,820 --> 02:45:40,940
this darkness, I was really impacted by listening to the lady who lived in Saudi Arabia.

2195
02:45:43,400 --> 02:45:49,840
When you live in a country like that, it really doesn't impact you, and it is

2196
02:45:49,840 --> 02:45:56,460
It's certainly psychological warfare that goes on because you're here in five o'clock in the morning,

2197
02:45:56,740 --> 02:46:02,220
five times a day, you're hearing this, and again, that principle of lying to get what you need,

2198
02:46:03,520 --> 02:46:09,480
you know, they come in. There's basically three things that I found. They'll offer you the religion.

2199
02:46:10,600 --> 02:46:19,820
Secondly, if you don't go for it, they're going to find a way to get tribute out of you. If you don't

2200
02:46:19,820 --> 02:46:30,200
You have to understand, look historically around the world, what's going on, understand it's coming from the east of the west, look at what's going on in London.

2201
02:46:30,840 --> 02:46:35,500
What's going on in all the European countries, what's going on in Derbarn, Barn.

2202
02:46:36,040 --> 02:46:36,700
But thank you.

2203
02:46:36,800 --> 02:46:37,300
Thank you.

2204
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:38,340
Thank you.

2205
02:46:39,480 --> 02:46:47,040
Okay, up next is Gary Geiger, then D.D. Morrow, Malayar, and then Steve Swagger, after that.

2206
02:47:00,440 --> 02:47:01,000
Gary Geiger.

2207
02:47:05,150 --> 02:47:14,770
Is there anyone still in the overflow room do we know there is an okay, okay, how about D.D. Malayer?

2208
02:47:15,550 --> 02:47:17,350
Steady anywhere close,

2209
02:47:25,770 --> 02:47:26,040
okay?

2210
02:47:28,370 --> 02:47:29,330
Steve Swagger,

2211
02:47:35,490 --> 02:47:36,070
okay,

2212
02:47:40,950 --> 02:47:41,350
Deborah,

2213
02:47:42,930 --> 02:47:43,470
Parkhurst,

2214
02:47:45,910 --> 02:47:50,730
Anybody else here are sign-up that Penn is spoken yet that you signed up to speak? Okay, what's your

2215
02:47:50,730 --> 02:47:53,250
Lord Jacob? Okay, we'll look real quick.

2216
02:47:53,250 --> 02:47:55,650
Well, I'll wait in some of the others. They may be in the overflow run.

2217
02:47:56,810 --> 02:47:57,610
What was his name?

2218
02:47:57,930 --> 02:47:58,290
Shaper.

2219
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:14,080
Okay. Well, I'm just going to. What was that down this day?

2220
02:48:14,900 --> 02:48:15,900
What was your name for?

2221
02:48:16,600 --> 02:48:16,820
Shaper.

2222
02:48:23,340 --> 02:48:23,460
Okay.

2223
02:48:24,180 --> 02:48:24,660
Did you are?

2224
02:48:24,680 --> 02:48:25,560
Did we call your name?

2225
02:48:25,940 --> 02:48:26,980
All right. We'll hold on.

2226
02:48:28,780 --> 02:48:31,020
There's a lot of people that they're sorry.

2227
02:48:31,520 --> 02:48:34,220
We've got a lot of names and they may have left. I don't know.

2228
02:48:36,980 --> 02:48:37,340
Mary.

2229
02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:39,260
Fish and holding.

2230
02:48:51,090 --> 02:48:51,430
Yeah.

2231
02:48:51,730 --> 02:49:01,010
because I'm not finding it. Okay. All right. So Mark Samowski, Smith, Towsky.

2232
02:49:01,350 --> 02:49:05,810
Raise your hand when we call your name and we'll have you come out. Okay. Olaf,

2233
02:49:06,550 --> 02:49:07,070
Cannerup,

2234
02:49:09,400 --> 02:49:10,460
Mary Ann Coulston.

2235
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:13,120
Molly, Mary Ann.

2236
02:49:24,350 --> 02:49:28,330
Thank you. You can pull that bike there. Yeah. Thank you commissioners for

2237
02:49:28,330 --> 02:49:33,830
allowing us to speak. I've tried speaking in other public meetings and was denied the opportunity

2238
02:49:33,830 --> 02:49:41,970
So every time I have a chance, I want to make sure that you all understand that I appreciate it because the Open Meeting Act says we can witness it

2239
02:49:41,970 --> 02:49:44,730
But we don't have the absolute right to speak.

2240
02:49:45,110 --> 02:49:47,270
Well, we've been waiting all night for it.

2241
02:49:51,110 --> 02:49:53,690
If you would state your name for the record.

2242
02:49:53,690 --> 02:49:57,590
Mary Ann Colston, resident or city limits of Broken Arrow.

2243
02:49:58,790 --> 02:50:00,390
A little bit of background quickly.

2244
02:50:00,390 --> 02:50:04,790
I've served on many steering committees within the city of Broken Arrow over the years.

2245
02:50:04,810 --> 02:50:13,550
I was very deeply involved with getting the drainage advisory committee going as well as the proposition to give us the flooding problems.

2246
02:50:14,250 --> 02:50:21,570
And so this is going to be focused primarily because there have been some other points that I don't need to make anymore.

2247
02:50:22,130 --> 02:50:22,590
Thank you.

2248
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:27,030
On the flooding as well as the sewage system.

2249
02:50:27,030 --> 02:50:37,170
It's kind of been briefly talked about, but I do have grave concerns because on the site plan it talked to it shows a sewage area

2250
02:50:38,470 --> 02:50:39,610
Keep going

2251
02:50:41,730 --> 02:50:43,010
There you go

2252
02:50:43,010 --> 02:50:48,930
In the lower kind of right hand side next to the pond that shows a sewage area

2253
02:50:48,930 --> 02:50:54,990
That's so close to that creek and that creek is quite church creek which does feed into it

2254
02:50:54,990 --> 02:51:01,670
tributary to Hakey Creek. And I do have concerns at DEQ, would have a problem with that,

2255
02:51:01,750 --> 02:51:08,810
so it's being that close to a major tributary to one of the largest creek systems in the

2256
02:51:08,810 --> 02:51:14,230
city of Broken Arrow. But I do have, I have been able to mark off a lot of my points.

2257
02:51:15,830 --> 02:51:20,650
Citizens require that all decisions be based with the absolute goal of public safety,

2258
02:51:21,450 --> 02:51:27,550
welfare, environmental constraints, and infrastructure capacity, and is neutral as to any specific

2259
02:51:27,550 --> 02:51:28,930
proposed use.

2260
02:51:30,590 --> 02:51:34,310
My comments focus on the physical and environmental constraints of this site.

2261
02:51:34,470 --> 02:51:40,150
The subject tract is partially located within the Hakey Creek Watershed, again the

2262
02:51:40,150 --> 02:51:45,730
white church creek is what feeds into Hakey Creek and is a designated greenway.

2263
02:51:45,730 --> 02:51:51,650
That designation carries real consequences for how the land can safely and responsibly be developed.

2264
02:51:52,190 --> 02:52:00,050
Flood planes impose inherent limitations on development intensity, emergency access, stormwater conveyance, long-term maintenance.

2265
02:52:00,550 --> 02:52:07,150
Resonning this property to commercial general would increase development pressure within a constrained environmental corridor.

2266
02:52:07,670 --> 02:52:11,470
And heightened risks, not only on this site, but downstream as well.

2267
02:52:12,790 --> 02:52:17,970
The proposed commercial buildings and extensive parking areas introduce additional impervious

2268
02:52:17,970 --> 02:52:21,910
surface and in close proximity to these drainage features.

2269
02:52:22,390 --> 02:52:26,790
That affects runoff patterns, flood storage capacity, long-term maintenance obligations.

2270
02:52:27,410 --> 02:52:28,950
These are not abstract concerns.

2271
02:52:29,210 --> 02:52:34,690
They are predictable outcomes of intensifying development and flood affected areas.

2272
02:52:34,970 --> 02:52:35,810
Thank you very much.

2273
02:52:36,130 --> 02:52:36,290
Thank you.

2274
02:52:36,350 --> 02:52:38,090
I hope that you will take that into consideration.

2275
02:52:39,190 --> 02:52:45,810
One of the things I need to remind everybody is that the conceptual area that we see right now,

2276
02:52:46,150 --> 02:52:47,150
it's not locked in.

2277
02:52:47,950 --> 02:52:51,990
If they're waiting on approvals, if they get approval, then they'll spend money on the exact design

2278
02:52:51,990 --> 02:52:52,330
and stuff.

2279
02:52:52,850 --> 02:52:56,970
So that septic field that they're sure would probably change quite a bit based on the requirements

2280
02:52:56,970 --> 02:52:57,910
they have to follow to.

2281
02:52:58,110 --> 02:52:59,410
And I understand that.

2282
02:52:59,750 --> 02:53:01,810
But this area is very close to January.

2283
02:53:01,810 --> 02:53:02,790
I understand that.

2284
02:53:02,870 --> 02:53:03,170
You're right.

2285
02:53:03,650 --> 02:53:07,670
So if they're going to be having, they don't have sanitary sewer.

2286
02:53:07,670 --> 02:53:17,470
Would you take away that issue, then with the sewage and the talking about with septic or anaerobic I think it would be a problem

2287
02:53:17,470 --> 02:53:21,690
But they're trying to get their ducks in a row first before they spend all money on engineering and stuff

2288
02:53:21,690 --> 02:53:27,290
And I understand your position. You're recommending body, so appreciate your time and your help. Thank you

2289
02:53:28,130 --> 02:53:28,550
All right

2290
02:53:29,730 --> 02:53:31,730
So are you Mark

2291
02:53:33,150 --> 02:53:36,910
Gary Thomas, okay, I think call your name free. Basically. Okay

2292
02:53:39,010 --> 02:53:40,410
O-Lough,

2293
02:53:42,870 --> 02:53:48,710
okay, Michelle DeBour, DeBour DeBour, thank

2294
02:53:55,460 --> 02:53:58,460
you for hearing us out.

2295
02:53:59,260 --> 02:54:00,460
There are some concerns.

2296
02:54:00,700 --> 02:54:09,600
My first concern is we didn't do a pledge to the flag and saying we pledge our allegiance

2297
02:54:09,600 --> 02:54:14,240
to our republic, the laws of this land, or constitution.

2298
02:54:15,560 --> 02:54:17,660
We, the people, have spoken tonight.

2299
02:54:18,220 --> 02:54:24,200
We, the people, matter more than your zoning, matter more than, you know, plans that

2300
02:54:24,200 --> 02:54:27,200
have been made, you've heard the people tonight.

2301
02:54:27,440 --> 02:54:32,540
Our constitution is about listening to the voice of the people.

2302
02:54:32,980 --> 02:54:37,500
But if you won't listen to the voice of the people, you need to listen to the law.

2303
02:54:37,500 --> 02:54:40,640
So you have some laws you have to consider.

2304
02:54:41,220 --> 02:54:47,200
Oklahoma law says no foreign countries can own land in Oklahoma.

2305
02:54:48,180 --> 02:54:55,560
So there's a little caveat because of US law now being appelled better

2306
02:54:55,560 --> 02:54:58,280
that caveat is going away or gone.

2307
02:54:59,000 --> 02:55:02,980
So basically they should not, they should be selling that land.

2308
02:55:03,300 --> 02:55:06,700
They don't have the right to have that ownership of that land.

2309
02:55:06,700 --> 02:55:15,540
You can't zone, and you can't do conditional use permits when you're breaking U.S. in Oklahoma law.

2310
02:55:16,340 --> 02:55:24,360
Secondly, we have a situation where most churches won a 501C3, most houses of worship.

2311
02:55:25,240 --> 02:55:33,880
Did you know it is against the IRS code for a church to rent commercial property?

2312
02:55:34,760 --> 02:55:40,960
These people are going to have commercial property, excuse me, so they're not going to do 501c3.

2313
02:55:41,380 --> 02:55:44,580
Are you winking at them and saying, oh, break the law? Go ahead.

2314
02:55:45,240 --> 02:55:51,240
Because if you are, you're becoming liable. You're setting up your city to be liable, to be sued.

2315
02:55:51,760 --> 02:55:55,720
You're setting yourself up personally because you're doing it before the fact.

2316
02:55:57,100 --> 02:56:02,100
There's another thing. I'm hearing about trainage. There's a law about trainage.

2317
02:56:02,100 --> 02:56:11,900
it's called common law drainage. Common law drainage is you take care that when you have

2318
02:56:11,900 --> 02:56:19,940
water flowing from upstream that the downstream people are not affected. It doesn't sound like

2319
02:56:19,940 --> 02:56:26,900
that's being considered either. It seems like we have to pay attention to the law a little bit more.

2320
02:56:26,900 --> 02:56:37,840
And then lastly is that I just have to check my notes or one more thing so I don't forget something.

2321
02:56:40,320 --> 02:56:50,140
The U.S. opposes terrorist organizations that are supporting businesses whatever and here it is.

2322
02:56:50,140 --> 02:56:58,600
we know must give to terrorist organizations. Why are we allowing somebody to establish a situation

2323
02:56:58,600 --> 02:57:04,720
that will give to the terrorists? I say please vote no pay attention to you as law. I hope

2324
02:57:04,720 --> 02:57:14,000
a lot. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. The next one is Nathan Dunn, Nathan Dunn, and then Amira

2325
02:57:14,000 --> 02:57:22,080
a last brief, any of those, or any of the odels? Okay there's Nathan. And then there's a trio

2326
02:57:22,080 --> 02:57:25,420
of odels, are of any of the odels here.

2327
02:57:27,770 --> 02:57:32,350
Bradenodel, Tonya Odel, Garrio Odel.

2328
02:57:44,530 --> 02:57:45,650
Anybody wish their

2329
02:57:45,650 --> 02:57:47,550
Which one do you want that one right there?

2330
02:57:47,550 --> 02:57:48,350
The other one.

2331
02:57:48,870 --> 02:57:50,970
The copper hints of playing more.

2332
02:57:51,490 --> 02:57:52,010
The plant.

2333
02:57:52,350 --> 02:57:52,950
That one.

2334
02:57:53,070 --> 02:57:53,750
Yeah, where the, what's the other?

2335
02:57:53,750 --> 02:57:54,370
Or the aerial.

2336
02:57:56,110 --> 02:57:56,590
Yeah, let's look at the view.

2337
02:57:56,590 --> 02:57:56,870
All right.

2338
02:57:58,910 --> 02:57:59,230
All right.

2339
02:57:59,690 --> 02:58:03,650
My name is Nathan Dom and a resident of Broken Arrow.

2340
02:58:03,990 --> 02:58:04,490
Thank you all.

2341
02:58:04,490 --> 02:58:05,770
I know you are in appointed positions.

2342
02:58:06,250 --> 02:58:07,410
Having served in elected office.

2343
02:58:07,550 --> 02:58:08,850
I appreciate your service here.

2344
02:58:09,070 --> 02:58:09,910
I know this is a long meeting.

2345
02:58:10,110 --> 02:58:11,630
Not necessarily what you always signed up for,

2346
02:58:11,790 --> 02:58:14,070
but appreciate you hearing from all of us.

2347
02:58:14,530 --> 02:58:26,130
I will say that at this point in time, I don't see how any of you can vote yes, because everyone has spoken in favor, has given you feelings on why and no reasons outside of that.

2348
02:58:26,210 --> 02:58:34,370
In fact, the very first gentleman invoked Charlie Kirk and so I will point out that Charlie Kirk was correct when he said that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization.

2349
02:58:35,390 --> 02:58:40,410
So if we want to talk about it from that perspective, we can but I also know that you need facts and reasoning why.

2350
02:58:40,410 --> 02:58:45,530
So, if we look at this map, it's currently up here because people asked about the church below it.

2351
02:58:45,790 --> 02:58:48,610
While in the Grove, you'll see that they have a parking lot and a building.

2352
02:58:49,090 --> 02:58:56,150
That parking lot is one-sixth the size of what they are proposing because that has 120 parking spots.

2353
02:58:56,270 --> 02:58:57,650
And they're saying they're going to have 750.

2354
02:58:59,050 --> 02:59:03,790
That building then would also be one-sixth the necessary size to be able to host that same number of people.

2355
02:59:04,310 --> 02:59:10,390
So, you're telling me that that parking lot and that building six times over will fit in that city.

2356
02:59:10,390 --> 02:59:17,170
smaller square with a commercial center on it as well, and with their septic system, and

2357
02:59:17,170 --> 02:59:22,750
green space, retain everything else that's going to happen. That's not possible. So if you

2358
02:59:22,750 --> 02:59:27,570
just look at that, just do a simple overlay, you say that this will not work. There was also

2359
02:59:27,570 --> 02:59:33,490
the question about life church. Life church, they're parking lot, is about 350, so half the size

2360
02:59:33,490 --> 02:59:37,990
of what's proposed, and if you were to overlay it, you'll look at it and see that the entire area

2361
02:59:37,990 --> 02:59:43,690
of the life church facility is basically the same as that entire tract of land.

2362
02:59:43,990 --> 02:59:45,430
There's no way that this will work.

2363
02:59:45,890 --> 02:59:47,350
Traffic was also brought up.

2364
02:59:47,650 --> 02:59:51,250
Life church is on a street that has five lanes of traffic.

2365
02:59:51,750 --> 02:59:53,350
This street has two lanes of traffic.

2366
02:59:53,970 --> 02:59:58,490
The person that came up here earlier and was scared by the word's ingress and egress said that

2367
02:59:58,490 --> 02:59:59,970
just with the event center, which has

2368
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,980
About the same amount of parking as Walnut Grove Church. That already causes parking or traffic problems. So you're telling me that an event center that occasionally has events already causes traffic problems. You get this facility that's going to have six times the amount of parking is not going to cause traffic problems on a Friday during school hours or close to school hours when school is letting out everything else. There's all kinds of reasons that have been given to you. I understand that there have been emotional please. There have been religious please as well. But you all have been given all kinds of reasons.

2369
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:35,620
to vote no. And so far you have not been given any reasons to actually vote yes. I understand

2370
03:00:35,620 --> 03:00:39,640
that you are recommending body. I understand that you're looking at taking two different votes.

2371
03:00:40,320 --> 03:00:45,900
I'm not as familiar with the city level of open meetings act, but I would be concerned about taking

2372
03:00:45,900 --> 03:00:51,160
two different votes that are not tied to each other if that was not published in the official notice

2373
03:00:51,160 --> 03:00:55,960
for this meeting as well. So I would encourage all of you to vote no on this because you have not been

2374
03:00:55,960 --> 03:00:58,400
You see, given any reason, two vote, yes.

2375
03:00:58,660 --> 03:01:00,720
So I encourage each and every one of you to vote, no.

2376
03:01:00,960 --> 03:01:01,140
Thank you.

2377
03:01:01,440 --> 03:01:04,500
That's interesting, Mr. Dom, that's interesting.

2378
03:01:05,280 --> 03:01:09,160
When you said that, because I think somebody else mentioned that, too, that maybe I didn't

2379
03:01:09,160 --> 03:01:13,520
shut off anybody that was talking for the applicant or whatever, but the app gets provided

2380
03:01:13,520 --> 03:01:17,680
all the information that they needed right now for the tonight's meeting and now don't stop

2381
03:01:17,680 --> 03:01:19,260
me on this to present.

2382
03:01:19,380 --> 03:01:20,140
This is our case.

2383
03:01:20,140 --> 03:01:21,760
This is what we're wanting to do.

2384
03:01:21,760 --> 03:01:28,180
It's you guys are out here wanting to just speak of an opposition. So yes, you're gonna defend it

2385
03:01:28,180 --> 03:01:34,220
So the people that's already that are saying for talking for the applicant the applicant's already provided this stuff for

2386
03:01:34,220 --> 03:01:39,980
They're just backing them up if that makes it understand the applicant. So I understand where the captain the applicant making the case

2387
03:01:39,980 --> 03:01:50,060
But the individuals that have come up to support what the applicant said haven't defended. Why what what they're just adding their opinion to it

2388
03:01:50,060 --> 03:01:52,880
and you've made it up on any clear, that that's not going to sway you one way or the other.

2389
03:01:53,120 --> 03:01:59,080
You were interested in hearing opinions opposed to it, but it seems like you were okay with hearing opinions in favor of it,

2390
03:01:59,080 --> 03:02:01,160
just based on the opinion aspect of it.

2391
03:02:01,180 --> 03:02:02,840
And then us provide facts in opposition.

2392
03:02:02,920 --> 03:02:06,960
In the way of the parking itself, there may be that many ex-bounded parking.

2393
03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:11,720
I could understand what you're saying in the wall that grow is a sixth of it or whatever.

2394
03:02:12,540 --> 03:02:14,500
We're not by, okay, we have to zone in.

2395
03:02:14,500 --> 03:02:15,860
On a two-lane road, about a five-lane.

2396
03:02:15,860 --> 03:02:20,900
Okay, now we got the zoning, there wasn't a request, there was a request and changes zoning from

2397
03:02:20,900 --> 03:02:22,040
AG to a CG.

2398
03:02:22,600 --> 03:02:23,800
Okay, that has nothing to do with talking.

2399
03:02:24,040 --> 03:02:24,860
What we're talking about there.

2400
03:02:25,120 --> 03:02:25,140
Right?

2401
03:02:25,400 --> 03:02:26,280
That's just a category.

2402
03:02:26,500 --> 03:02:27,740
The land use intensity system.

2403
03:02:28,000 --> 03:02:31,420
Then I'm going in and everything around it is still AG.

2404
03:02:31,980 --> 03:02:35,800
So then what they want to do is they want to go to a conditional use permit.

2405
03:02:36,780 --> 03:02:38,620
So they're asking for a place of assembly.

2406
03:02:39,460 --> 03:02:43,720
Now, even though there's been talk about these parking stalls in there, if it was approved,

2407
03:02:43,720 --> 03:02:47,000
We're not locked in to that amount of parking, correct?

2408
03:02:47,580 --> 03:02:50,480
We're just saying that a place of assembly.

2409
03:02:50,600 --> 03:02:52,160
If it was approved, they could put in.

2410
03:02:52,480 --> 03:02:55,120
So now that's all I actually locked in in my correct.

2411
03:02:55,300 --> 03:02:55,660
Correct.

2412
03:02:56,320 --> 03:02:57,380
But you're planning on approving it.

2413
03:02:57,380 --> 03:03:00,040
We'll do that when they go in there and do their actual designs.

2414
03:03:00,180 --> 03:03:01,440
And hey, we finally got approval.

2415
03:03:01,540 --> 03:03:04,240
If they get approval through us, through the city council,

2416
03:03:04,480 --> 03:03:06,840
because we're recommending body, then they would go in there

2417
03:03:06,840 --> 03:03:08,180
and start detailing engineering.

2418
03:03:08,260 --> 03:03:09,180
Why is it find out?

2419
03:03:09,460 --> 03:03:10,500
We can't get that many parking.

2420
03:03:11,120 --> 03:03:12,940
We have to provide on-site storage.

2421
03:03:12,940 --> 03:03:16,600
we have to have our septic system. We've got to do whatever and that's going to decrease

2422
03:03:16,600 --> 03:03:18,380
amount of parking stalls.

2423
03:03:18,860 --> 03:03:22,500
But then can't accept what the applicant provided as fact in favor of it done.

2424
03:03:22,740 --> 03:03:22,900
Pardon?

2425
03:03:23,440 --> 03:03:27,260
Well, the applicant provided you can't accept as fact in favor of it done.

2426
03:03:27,760 --> 03:03:31,760
Well, that's what they're targeting. It may not happen when they spend the money and

2427
03:03:31,760 --> 03:03:32,620
to get the engineering done.

2428
03:03:32,620 --> 03:03:35,260
Okay, then then vote no based on what they're targeting.

2429
03:03:35,780 --> 03:03:35,800
Okay.

2430
03:03:36,560 --> 03:03:38,000
But you see what I'm saying, though, right?

2431
03:03:38,600 --> 03:03:39,320
I understand that.

2432
03:03:39,720 --> 03:03:41,380
They're not locked into that right now.

2433
03:03:41,380 --> 03:03:44,540
And if they were approved, they're still not locked into that amount of parking.

2434
03:03:46,760 --> 03:03:50,780
But it's the target and the target will cause increased traffic, and so we'd encourage

2435
03:03:50,780 --> 03:03:51,120
you to vote.

2436
03:03:51,540 --> 03:03:52,020
Thank you.

2437
03:03:52,760 --> 03:03:54,360
I want to.

2438
03:03:54,360 --> 03:04:00,380
I just want to say something real quick, how many were in favor or wanted to speak in favor

2439
03:04:00,380 --> 03:04:00,940
of it?

2440
03:04:01,180 --> 03:04:02,100
Did we have that number?

2441
03:04:02,980 --> 03:04:07,420
Speaking favor, I did not have that number, but I have like only a handful left.

2442
03:04:07,420 --> 03:04:07,760
Yes.

2443
03:04:07,820 --> 03:04:09,520
So let's say less than a dozen, right?

2444
03:04:09,740 --> 03:04:10,500
But well over.

2445
03:04:10,500 --> 03:04:17,660
50, 60 wanted to oppose it. So, how do we expect of everybody's time? It wasn't about

2446
03:04:17,660 --> 03:04:22,940
we're going to let people in favor of it, say whatever they want, and those that are not in favor of it.

2447
03:04:23,240 --> 03:04:28,480
We're going to keep them silent. That wasn't a case. It was when you have that many people speaking.

2448
03:04:29,160 --> 03:04:32,640
You're going to start having redundancies in beating at that horse.

2449
03:04:33,180 --> 03:04:37,700
So, we want people to say what they feel and share that information,

2450
03:04:38,460 --> 03:04:43,460
But for the sake of everybody's time, we did not want to have a 10-hour session.

2451
03:04:44,180 --> 03:04:46,280
So by just saying, hey, let's keep it this way.

2452
03:04:46,920 --> 03:04:52,100
So don't think we're, I've already made a decision one way or another, and I just want

2453
03:04:52,100 --> 03:04:57,460
to be clear on that, and why that was stated the way it was stated, if that makes sense.

2454
03:04:57,720 --> 03:05:03,140
But there's also was a number of individuals that signed that they were in favor of, but

2455
03:05:03,140 --> 03:05:03,860
they didn't want to speak.

2456
03:05:03,860 --> 03:05:09,140
So is a mirror? Yeah, 45. So is a mirror as a lot, a last

2457
03:05:09,140 --> 03:05:14,400
Marie here? Amira? Okay, moving on. Any of the

2458
03:05:14,400 --> 03:05:17,960
hotels? Nope. Okay. Brooklyn Forbes.

2459
03:05:20,480 --> 03:05:20,700
Okay,

2460
03:05:20,760 --> 03:05:21,740
Brenda Long.

2461
03:05:24,750 --> 03:05:25,450
Jeff Hill.

2462
03:05:29,390 --> 03:05:30,470
Jeff Hill.

2463
03:05:32,770 --> 03:05:34,130
Corey Brain.

2464
03:05:36,650 --> 03:05:37,870
Calvin Crawford.

2465
03:05:42,820 --> 03:05:43,180
Doug

2466
03:05:43,180 --> 03:05:44,240
Consol,

2467
03:05:47,480 --> 03:05:49,600
Brenda, councilman,

2468
03:05:49,640 --> 03:05:54,780
What is your name? If you're close, I'll get you.

2469
03:06:01,390 --> 03:06:03,350
That's fine, I'm looking,

2470
03:06:05,310 --> 03:06:10,160
Thomas Horterer, Tom and Theresa Powell.

2471
03:06:11,900 --> 03:06:12,500
Come on, Theresa.

2472
03:06:18,440 --> 03:06:19,060
Evacieri,

2473
03:06:20,140 --> 03:06:22,400
Clint Fulton, any of those folks in here?

2474
03:06:22,920 --> 03:06:25,660
Okay. There you go. You're on deck. And you are.

2475
03:06:31,100 --> 03:06:33,680
Okay. Brenda, you'll be on deck. And then

2476
03:06:34,460 --> 03:06:35,080
and then Clint.

2477
03:06:37,420 --> 03:06:42,040
Go ahead. Hi. Sorry, I can't hear because of a sign of infections. I do not

2478
03:06:42,040 --> 03:06:47,020
mean to be yelling at you. That's okay. I'm here today to discuss our beautiful community.

2479
03:06:47,660 --> 03:06:51,600
I've lived in Brooklyn, Arizona, nine years, and I live four blocks from the opposed,

2480
03:06:56,240 --> 03:06:56,540
the

2481
03:06:56,540 --> 03:06:59,800
There are already near capacity during peak hours.

2482
03:07:00,600 --> 03:07:02,560
A building that brings and large numbers of vehicles,

2483
03:07:03,200 --> 03:07:05,320
as specific times of day and a week,

2484
03:07:05,860 --> 03:07:08,900
to create safety issues and level of congestion,

2485
03:07:09,580 --> 03:07:12,200
our streets are just not designed to handle in that area.

2486
03:07:13,160 --> 03:07:17,020
I'm also concerned about our noise levels and parking overflow.

2487
03:07:17,960 --> 03:07:19,380
In neighborhoods like ours,

2488
03:07:19,880 --> 03:07:21,440
increased traffic and vehicles,

2489
03:07:22,140 --> 03:07:25,040
lining the streets will directly affect residences

2490
03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:30,020
quality of life. I believe Council should closely review the parking and

2491
03:07:30,020 --> 03:07:33,080
crowding. Will be made and how crowding will be managed.

2492
03:07:35,360 --> 03:07:38,880
What steps will be taken to prevent disruption to the nearby homes?

2493
03:07:39,840 --> 03:07:45,800
Additionally, we are a small city. Our infrastructure is limited. Our water systems,

2494
03:07:46,260 --> 03:07:50,460
our septic capacity, and drainage are all very vulnerable in this area.

2495
03:07:52,240 --> 03:07:55,240
You've heard it from everyone, you've heard it over and over.

2496
03:07:55,560 --> 03:07:59,580
I know I'm not presenting anything new, but I want to thank you for your time and

2497
03:07:59,580 --> 03:07:59,880
closing.

2498
03:08:00,580 --> 03:08:04,880
I just want to ask respectfully that you move slowly and assure the decision

2499
03:08:04,880 --> 03:08:09,140
protects the peace, safety, and character of our community.

2500
03:08:09,620 --> 03:08:11,300
Broken Arrow and God with trust.

2501
03:08:11,680 --> 03:08:12,140
Thank you.

2502
03:08:13,200 --> 03:08:13,760
Okay, Brenda.

2503
03:08:14,380 --> 03:08:15,160
You're up.

2504
03:08:15,160 --> 03:08:18,720
Thanks, Lynn Fulton, and then Derek Mills.

2505
03:08:19,400 --> 03:08:19,920
Perfect.

2506
03:08:21,260 --> 03:08:22,220
I was on this.

2507
03:08:23,560 --> 03:08:25,460
There were two in the Vietnam War.

2508
03:08:25,460 --> 03:08:27,420
Can you say your name may have turned along?

2509
03:08:27,420 --> 03:08:28,000
There you go.

2510
03:08:28,260 --> 03:08:29,320
Being here all my life.

2511
03:08:29,600 --> 03:08:31,000
That's a month, 70 years old.

2512
03:08:31,060 --> 03:08:31,660
That's fine.

2513
03:08:31,680 --> 03:08:32,260
You look good.

2514
03:08:32,420 --> 03:08:33,520
During more war, too.

2515
03:08:33,620 --> 03:08:34,720
Thank you very much.

2516
03:08:35,140 --> 03:08:40,860
And the Vietnam War, the practice broadcasting propaganda over loud speakers at a high volume.

2517
03:08:40,860 --> 03:08:46,660
from early in the morning to late at night was considered psychological warfare, or psych

2518
03:08:46,660 --> 03:08:47,120
war.

2519
03:08:48,140 --> 03:08:53,720
If we take an example of the psychological warfare that was used back then and compared

2520
03:08:53,720 --> 03:09:00,560
to the practice of the Islamic call to prayer, we will see this very closely resemble each

2521
03:09:00,560 --> 03:09:01,020
other.

2522
03:09:01,640 --> 03:09:06,100
Both are from early in the morning to late at night and all during the day.

2523
03:09:06,360 --> 03:09:10,440
Both are extremely loud to reach as many in the community as possible.

2524
03:09:10,440 --> 03:09:20,630
Both use foreign confusing language to most Americans, both use propaganda and before anybody gets excited about that.

2525
03:09:21,280 --> 03:09:35,480
The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a bias or misleading nature, used to promote a particular cause, belief, doctrine or point of view.

2526
03:09:35,480 --> 03:09:43,800
So, call it what you want to, propaganda or a prayer, if, you know, you can call it worship,

2527
03:09:44,760 --> 03:09:50,060
I would call it propaganda, because I don't know a person named Mohamed that did all

2528
03:09:50,060 --> 03:09:51,060
this stuff.

2529
03:09:51,620 --> 03:09:57,960
It would be propaganda for me to go to a Muslim nation, praising my Jesus as the only way

2530
03:09:57,960 --> 03:09:58,600
to heaven.

2531
03:09:58,600 --> 03:10:02,840
So, the similarities are there.

2532
03:10:03,360 --> 03:10:11,440
Boat can cause sleep, deprivesate, deprivation, due to the loud early morning, noise to late

2533
03:10:11,440 --> 03:10:12,160
at night.

2534
03:10:12,920 --> 03:10:19,460
Boat can cause confusion and fear, being woke up in the middle of the night, loud foreign

2535
03:10:19,460 --> 03:10:28,360
language, repeating over and over the same things, could be very confusing to most, and most

2536
03:10:28,360 --> 03:10:37,720
important, the ones that trigger PTSD episodes, especially among those that had to suffer

2537
03:10:37,720 --> 03:10:42,360
this type of violent treatment while serving in the military.

2538
03:10:43,140 --> 03:10:50,740
It is a known treatment of violence that has been used as late as Waco, and at the Waco

2539
03:10:50,740 --> 03:10:51,220
siege.

2540
03:10:52,720 --> 03:10:57,420
So, in short, I don't have a problem with the mosque as a building.

2541
03:10:57,420 --> 03:11:03,280
It's not what goes into a man that defies it, but what comes out.

2542
03:11:04,220 --> 03:11:09,540
And so I say that we need, I know you're zoning people, and you've got to make these

2543
03:11:09,540 --> 03:11:11,100
laws and codes.

2544
03:11:11,680 --> 03:11:17,860
There needs to be a code from day one that that stuff ain't never going to be put on loud

2545
03:11:17,860 --> 03:11:22,440
speakers and send out for two mile radius five times a day.

2546
03:11:22,440 --> 03:11:28,140
You talk about freedom, religion, my freedom is, I don't want to hear that.

2547
03:11:29,280 --> 03:11:30,160
Thank you.

2548
03:11:30,620 --> 03:11:31,440
All right.

2549
03:11:32,500 --> 03:11:37,860
So, the plant fault was coming up, then Derek Mills, and then after that is Heather Simon in here.

2550
03:11:38,440 --> 03:11:38,940
Heather Simon?

2551
03:11:39,580 --> 03:11:39,720
Nope.

2552
03:11:40,300 --> 03:11:40,500
Okay.

2553
03:11:42,620 --> 03:11:43,680
Marna's Anderson.

2554
03:11:46,470 --> 03:11:46,810
Go ahead.

2555
03:11:47,670 --> 03:11:47,910
Hello.

2556
03:11:48,070 --> 03:11:49,070
I'm Clint Fulton.

2557
03:11:49,570 --> 03:11:49,910
Broken Arrow.

2558
03:11:49,990 --> 03:11:51,110
Thank you for having me.

2559
03:11:51,690 --> 03:11:56,090
What I'm going to say is probably redundant, and you call it redundant, but I don't care.

2560
03:11:56,190 --> 03:11:57,070
I'm going to say anyways.

2561
03:11:58,230 --> 03:12:05,170
I strongly am against the rezoning of a lot that's along all of South of the Creek Term Pike.

2562
03:12:05,810 --> 03:12:10,290
I believe that it's going to be a definitely a safety issue.

2563
03:12:11,690 --> 03:12:16,290
We all know, I'm not a great of a speaker, but I'm just going to reiterate what everybody said.

2564
03:12:16,290 --> 03:12:24,730
These people, the Muslims that are putting this mosque are being pushed and funded by outsource countries, outsource,

2565
03:12:24,910 --> 03:12:32,130
wicked people, and you may think my opinion doesn't matter because religious, but it does, we see.

2566
03:12:32,790 --> 03:12:40,930
You may think that what I'm saying is hypocritical because there's a church right there below this law, and I'm against another religious organization.

2567
03:12:40,930 --> 03:12:43,270
But that's a separate issue.

2568
03:12:43,750 --> 03:12:49,050
The Christian church is not out there causing any harm or threatening people.

2569
03:12:49,630 --> 03:12:52,210
So the Muslims, we know, and they're going to a lot of your face, okay?

2570
03:12:52,750 --> 03:12:54,810
So we are infidels to them.

2571
03:12:54,830 --> 03:12:56,690
If you're not one of them, you're in infidels.

2572
03:12:57,070 --> 03:13:01,790
And they are taught in their crime that they are to smile to our face, of course, to our backs.

2573
03:13:02,810 --> 03:13:03,830
We know that's true.

2574
03:13:04,510 --> 03:13:06,670
We've seen it in other countries and that's a fact.

2575
03:13:07,370 --> 03:13:12,250
Just look at what they're doing over in Europe, New York, I'm just repeating what everyone else

2576
03:13:12,250 --> 03:13:12,930
has said.

2577
03:13:13,190 --> 03:13:19,590
But I speak for many of the majority of broken our citizens who are opposed to this mosque

2578
03:13:19,590 --> 03:13:20,590
being here.

2579
03:13:21,710 --> 03:13:24,310
As they're going to come in, if you allow this, they're going to come in and they're going

2580
03:13:24,310 --> 03:13:29,950
to come in subtly, they're going to comply, they're going to abide by your zoning, loop holes,

2581
03:13:30,130 --> 03:13:31,350
and all that.

2582
03:13:32,550 --> 03:13:35,630
But it may not be us that deals with the consequences,

2583
03:13:35,630 --> 03:13:36,810
but it will be our children.

2584
03:13:37,370 --> 03:13:40,530
And I can't, at least not try to stop it.

2585
03:13:42,870 --> 03:13:45,950
I just can't, not much of a speaker,

2586
03:13:46,450 --> 03:13:47,210
but I'm hearing you've done a fine.

2587
03:13:47,210 --> 03:13:47,970
I'm hearing you've done a fine.

2588
03:13:49,530 --> 03:13:50,610
They're a patient, people.

2589
03:13:50,650 --> 03:13:52,950
And they will wait decades to get to our children.

2590
03:13:53,190 --> 03:13:54,690
Like I said, they're not going to be us, probably,

2591
03:13:55,090 --> 03:13:58,510
but our kids will, and I'll die on my feet

2592
03:13:58,510 --> 03:13:59,470
before I live on my knees.

2593
03:14:02,350 --> 03:14:03,470
Thank you.

2594
03:14:03,470 --> 03:14:05,830
All right.

2595
03:14:06,390 --> 03:14:09,490
So, Derek Nill has a assignment coming in the room.

2596
03:14:10,050 --> 03:14:10,590
Heather Simon?

2597
03:14:11,650 --> 03:14:11,790
No.

2598
03:14:12,930 --> 03:14:13,330
I know.

2599
03:14:13,590 --> 03:14:13,830
I know.

2600
03:14:13,910 --> 03:14:14,530
I know you'd love to.

2601
03:14:14,550 --> 03:14:15,090
You keep asking.

2602
03:14:16,550 --> 03:14:18,850
You don't believe it.

2603
03:14:19,550 --> 03:14:21,410
No, Marna is Anderson.

2604
03:14:23,570 --> 03:14:23,730
Okay.

2605
03:14:24,210 --> 03:14:24,750
David Jals.

2606
03:14:27,810 --> 03:14:28,290
Katherine Davis.

2607
03:14:30,250 --> 03:14:31,650
We keep putting the shape or name in the back.

2608
03:14:31,670 --> 03:14:31,910
Yep.

2609
03:14:31,910 --> 03:14:35,290
All right, and then I do know this person is here,

2610
03:14:35,370 --> 03:14:36,150
Christy Gillespie.

2611
03:14:36,350 --> 03:14:39,370
So go ahead, Derek, and then Christy Gillespie.

2612
03:14:42,880 --> 03:14:47,480
Thank you so much for the talk to you in the evening.

2613
03:14:47,780 --> 03:14:50,200
Everything I had written on my notes is pretty much

2614
03:14:50,200 --> 03:14:52,240
been covered by most of the people here.

2615
03:14:52,560 --> 03:14:53,960
It's just a great country of what?

2616
03:14:54,200 --> 03:14:54,760
Excuse me.

2617
03:14:54,780 --> 03:14:55,760
All of us together.

2618
03:14:56,000 --> 03:14:56,860
Can you give us your name?

2619
03:14:57,060 --> 03:14:58,000
I need a microphone up please.

2620
03:14:58,980 --> 03:14:59,120
Sorry.

2621
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:01,560
You need to address us, not that.

2622
03:15:02,080 --> 03:15:06,660
All right. Again, is this a great country of what? We can all get together here.

2623
03:15:06,720 --> 03:15:09,140
Name please. We can all share our opinions.

2624
03:15:09,320 --> 03:15:11,360
Name please.

2625
03:15:12,020 --> 03:15:12,120
Thank you.

2626
03:15:12,520 --> 03:15:14,300
Thank you.

2627
03:15:15,160 --> 03:15:16,040
Derek Mills.

2628
03:15:16,300 --> 03:15:16,560
Thank you.

2629
03:15:16,560 --> 03:15:17,800
You live in Southbrook in our list.

2630
03:15:18,440 --> 03:15:18,900
That's fine.

2631
03:15:19,160 --> 03:15:20,280
That's fine.

2632
03:15:20,600 --> 03:15:29,760
The one thing I have not heard mentioned here, with this plan and commission, is right where the yellow signs are that give public

2633
03:15:29,760 --> 03:15:40,180
notice, okay? It's hydrathic. People zoomed by there at speed limit, believe me. But those signs are sitting parallel to the road.

2634
03:15:40,860 --> 03:15:46,200
You drove by, you see a yellow flash. I didn't notice it until today. I drive that road every day, five days, a week, four,

2635
03:15:46,200 --> 03:15:53,880
thirty and a morning, I never noticed them until I took a look today. Everybody's mentioned that the casino on the other side.

2636
03:15:53,880 --> 03:15:59,580
that got refused. But the thing I did notice was those signs, we just couldn't see them.

2637
03:15:59,760 --> 03:16:03,180
They, I don't know how long they've been there. I'm sure the law was followed to place them there.

2638
03:16:03,880 --> 03:16:08,520
But they're not visible. That's like putting a stop sign sideways or putting a speed limit sideways.

2639
03:16:09,740 --> 03:16:16,160
Anyway, what I wish to share with you is I'm an immigrant from England. I've been here for a long

2640
03:16:16,160 --> 03:16:17,540
No action, obviously.

2641
03:16:17,900 --> 03:16:18,080
Yeah.

2642
03:16:18,480 --> 03:16:21,860
We're graded in 1968 from England.

2643
03:16:23,300 --> 03:16:31,140
European community is in an uproar right now, over refugee and asylum seekers.

2644
03:16:32,120 --> 03:16:36,240
People that are flooding into those countries aren't bringing in wives and children.

2645
03:16:36,900 --> 03:16:39,860
They're military age men or younger.

2646
03:16:40,340 --> 03:16:45,260
They're coming in on rubber boats made in France into England, crossing that 22 mile strip

2647
03:16:45,260 --> 03:16:48,100
water and rubber boats made in France.

2648
03:16:50,910 --> 03:16:54,450
I got I got to tell you that when they first started

2649
03:16:54,450 --> 03:16:59,310
10 years ago when all this immigration and the asylum seeking started 10 years ago those

2650
03:16:59,310 --> 03:17:09,910
countries part of the EU took in per the EU agreement so many people per capita money was

2651
03:17:09,910 --> 03:17:17,390
loaded for hose housing, food, medical is socialized, medical over there pretty much in the little island

2652
03:17:17,390 --> 03:17:21,730
down from. But as the percentage of the group's grew,

2653
03:17:24,640 --> 03:17:27,560
the percentage of the groups in the

2654
03:17:27,560 --> 03:17:38,220
influx grew, it became more, it became loud, it became demanding. And then those that had been

2655
03:17:38,220 --> 03:17:45,740
there a long time, got citizenship or born there prior to that 10 years in flux. They got

2656
03:17:45,740 --> 03:17:53,080
the right vote. And in London, they blocked vote. They blocked voted in. The guy named

2657
03:17:53,080 --> 03:18:02,060
CityCon, Muslim mayor of London, city number one, Birmingham about city number three.

2658
03:18:06,380 --> 03:18:08,200
I can't

2659
03:18:08,200 --> 03:18:09,520
You must learn rule.

2660
03:18:09,980 --> 03:18:13,360
I do not have a problem with Muslims.

2661
03:18:14,080 --> 03:18:20,090
I have a problem with the way they do so.

2662
03:18:20,170 --> 03:18:20,550
Thank you.

2663
03:18:21,070 --> 03:18:21,650
Thank you sir.

2664
03:18:22,130 --> 03:18:22,590
Thank you sir.

2665
03:18:22,590 --> 03:18:23,110
Thank you sir.

2666
03:18:23,110 --> 03:18:24,710
Thanks Little найgrfruit.

2667
03:18:27,990 --> 03:18:28,490
Thank you.

2668
03:18:29,170 --> 03:18:29,610
Thank you.

2669
03:18:29,850 --> 03:18:30,050
Thank you.

2670
03:18:30,050 --> 03:18:30,110
Thank you.

2671
03:18:30,110 --> 03:18:30,190
Thank you.

2672
03:18:30,510 --> 03:18:34,890
Thank you.

2673
03:18:34,890 --> 03:18:38,250
Okay, go ahead, Ms. Gillespie.

2674
03:18:39,710 --> 03:18:39,910
Go ahead, Catherine.

2675
03:18:39,910 --> 03:18:42,690
Okay, go ahead, Catherine.

2676
03:18:45,880 --> 03:18:48,220
And then, Theresa Wallace, there you go.

2677
03:18:50,430 --> 03:18:51,890
My name is Catherine Davis,

2678
03:18:52,490 --> 03:18:56,410
and I've lived here in Broken Arrow for six years with my husband.

2679
03:18:57,150 --> 03:18:59,350
We originally moved here from Tulsa.

2680
03:18:59,790 --> 03:19:02,810
I have lived here in Tulsa since I was 17.

2681
03:19:03,110 --> 03:19:04,750
I came here through foster care.

2682
03:19:06,570 --> 03:19:13,550
I am part Irish and part Mexican, so I do not have a problem with immigrants.

2683
03:19:13,810 --> 03:19:20,350
My grandmother came here from Mexico and established our family, so I have no problem

2684
03:19:20,350 --> 03:19:21,290
with immigrants.

2685
03:19:22,130 --> 03:19:27,290
What I have a problem with is their religion, and that they refuse to follow our laws.

2686
03:19:27,290 --> 03:19:34,550
they lie to our face for as long as it takes and are here to conquer us and destroy us.

2687
03:19:35,310 --> 03:19:38,610
I will not have my daughters be subjected to this.

2688
03:19:39,470 --> 03:19:46,890
I have fought too long and too hard and I know many women and many men who have fought too

2689
03:19:46,890 --> 03:19:56,050
long and too hard to watch our country fall under a religion that lies to us and tells us

2690
03:19:56,050 --> 03:19:58,830
they are here to conquer and kill us.

2691
03:20:00,050 --> 03:20:05,050
This is dedicated to all the people who think they can come over into our country and tell

2692
03:20:05,050 --> 03:20:07,070
us who we are going to serve.

2693
03:20:08,030 --> 03:20:13,350
I serve Yahweh, the true and living God, the one that created the heavens and the earth,

2694
03:20:13,810 --> 03:20:15,570
make no mistake about that.

2695
03:20:15,790 --> 03:20:22,950
I do not bow down to any God's and nothing, I do mean nothing in this world will get me

2696
03:20:22,950 --> 03:20:26,390
to shift or bow down or to change my mind.

2697
03:20:28,930 --> 03:20:34,250
Every other God that exists exist under Yahweh and His word is eternal.

2698
03:20:35,010 --> 03:20:41,230
I follow Yeshua, the Messiah, who filled and who fulfilled promises of God and established

2699
03:20:41,230 --> 03:20:42,730
the covenant of salvation.

2700
03:20:43,650 --> 03:20:47,830
His life, His death, His resurrection, are the foundations of our faith.

2701
03:20:47,830 --> 03:20:55,410
No prophet, no man, no religion can ever replace or surpass him, understand that.

2702
03:20:55,790 --> 03:21:01,090
Some claim Muhammad as a final prophet, yet let us examine the claim with discernment.

2703
03:21:01,690 --> 03:21:08,010
Muhammad presents himself as a seal of prophets, yet he denies the divinity of Jesus in the reality

2704
03:21:08,010 --> 03:21:12,970
of his crucifixion. He rejects the fulfillment of God's promise in Christ,

2705
03:21:12,970 --> 03:21:18,910
But Scripture is clear, Jesus died and rose again for filling every prophecy perfectly.

2706
03:21:19,850 --> 03:21:27,450
This is the bedrock of salvation that we stand on, not to be overturned by any human tradition that you decided to make.

2707
03:21:28,490 --> 03:21:33,190
History itself, soge the limitations of Muhammad's claims.

2708
03:21:34,150 --> 03:21:40,110
Promises of absolute victory in divine judgment and eternal preservation of his revelations

2709
03:21:40,110 --> 03:21:43,250
that were not even fulfilled as declared.

2710
03:21:44,210 --> 03:21:45,890
God's covenant remains sure.

2711
03:21:46,490 --> 03:21:50,310
I do not fear these claims because Yahweh is my shield and strength.

2712
03:21:52,010 --> 03:21:56,910
My confidence is in the living God whose word is true, whose promises endure forever and whose

2713
03:21:56,910 --> 03:21:58,490
covenant through Christ is complete.

2714
03:21:59,170 --> 03:22:06,070
I stand firm, I worship no other gods, I follow no other prophets, I serve Yahweh and

2715
03:22:06,070 --> 03:22:11,530
I do mean nothing could ever separate me from my keen even death.

2716
03:22:11,970 --> 03:22:12,450
Thank you.

2717
03:22:12,670 --> 03:22:13,030
All right, Teresa.

2718
03:22:13,610 --> 03:22:20,790
I will help lead the way for any Muslims that try to move into our town and take over.

2719
03:22:21,430 --> 03:22:22,190
Thank you.

2720
03:22:22,890 --> 03:22:26,410
Teresa, and then Christy, you're on deck, and then George Schaefer.

2721
03:22:29,190 --> 03:22:29,870
Good evening.

2722
03:22:29,970 --> 03:22:30,490
Council members.

2723
03:22:30,710 --> 03:22:32,090
Thank you very much for this time.

2724
03:22:32,950 --> 03:22:35,430
I apologize for my tire came straight from work.

2725
03:22:35,550 --> 03:22:36,010
That's okay.

2726
03:22:36,170 --> 03:22:36,950
Your name, please.

2727
03:22:37,350 --> 03:22:37,950
To be flawless.

2728
03:22:38,270 --> 03:22:38,550
Thank you.

2729
03:22:39,290 --> 03:22:39,710
No worries.

2730
03:22:43,300 --> 03:22:51,540
I'm an opposition of rezoning the acres from agriculture to commercial and oppose to the

2731
03:22:51,540 --> 03:22:54,020
conditional use that they are seeking.

2732
03:22:57,160 --> 03:23:02,680
According to, I guess, Fox News, the city of Broken Arrow totaled the Fox

2733
03:23:02,680 --> 03:23:09,900
23 that it did not have time to provide an interview ahead of the meeting to address public questions.

2734
03:23:11,380 --> 03:23:20,540
So, other than just hearing so many people who have opposed for whatever reasons, even if even just for

2735
03:23:20,540 --> 03:23:26,080
rezoning purposes, traffic, drainage, whatnot.

2736
03:23:26,840 --> 03:23:30,240
We shouldn't approve a proposal and then seek out the community's opinion.

2737
03:23:31,060 --> 03:23:42,360
Many residents have only recently heard about this topic within the past day or so for me for yesterday and I talked to other people coming in and many people have only heard about this yesterday.

2738
03:23:42,860 --> 03:23:47,340
So I commend many people who have already researched and stuff. I would have done that to if I didn't know.

2739
03:23:47,820 --> 03:23:53,820
While it sounds like just rezoning requests this change would significantly impact the whole community.

2740
03:23:54,740 --> 03:23:58,020
I believe the whole state of Oklahoma.

2741
03:23:58,560 --> 03:24:09,340
This is a shoe end. This is their guys. They're ruse to get in to say they're going to be peaceful and whatnot.

2742
03:24:09,440 --> 03:24:13,420
That is not what they do. That is not who they are.

2743
03:24:17,870 --> 03:24:19,950
Come home spirit. Fill the hearts of thy faithful.

2744
03:24:20,450 --> 03:24:24,770
And Kindle them with a fire thy love, send forth thy spirit, they shall be created.

2745
03:24:24,770 --> 03:24:54,590
And thou shall renew the face of the earth, renew the face of the earth with what, with love, however, not with, not with muzzleness, not with Islamist, that is about war, it is about domination, that is what they want, that is what's going on, so if you really think the issue here is, but I want to say I respect that you've allowed us to come for,

2746
03:24:54,770 --> 03:25:03,830
addressing the the rezoning issue still that is their way in and if you really are serious

2747
03:25:03,830 --> 03:25:11,010
about wanting to know you know whether you should reason this or not you have 12 moss down in

2748
03:25:11,010 --> 03:25:16,650
Texas to go look at and go compare those those families and whatever there's around you have

2749
03:25:16,650 --> 03:25:22,590
other moss I don't know how many here in Tulsa that you could easily go and research this isn't

2750
03:25:22,590 --> 03:25:23,690
Just about voting.

2751
03:25:23,890 --> 03:25:27,050
It's about knowing what will be the consequences.

2752
03:25:27,990 --> 03:25:33,970
What will be the ramifications for forever from this moment on?

2753
03:25:34,370 --> 03:25:34,850
Thank you.

2754
03:25:34,950 --> 03:25:35,050
Thank you.

2755
03:25:35,210 --> 03:25:35,770
Your chair.

2756
03:25:36,370 --> 03:25:36,950
Pretty good.

2757
03:25:38,990 --> 03:25:39,990
I'm Ed.

2758
03:25:40,730 --> 03:25:42,230
This is coming up for your chair.

2759
03:25:42,230 --> 03:25:45,890
I will, maybe I'll ask you, or staff to answer this.

2760
03:25:46,050 --> 03:25:46,590
There's been a couple.

2761
03:25:47,350 --> 03:25:49,810
Guess I brought up about the signage out there.

2762
03:25:49,910 --> 03:25:51,770
Would you state, I know we go by the state law.

2763
03:25:51,770 --> 03:25:55,110
on post and signs, send a notice is out.

2764
03:25:55,410 --> 03:25:58,810
Do you want to talk about that or staff address that?

2765
03:25:59,790 --> 03:26:02,590
On the right, when we post the signs for the zoning changes,

2766
03:26:03,450 --> 03:26:06,310
and when we send out the notices within 300 foot raised,

2767
03:26:06,410 --> 03:26:08,530
sort of property, things like that, could you address that?

2768
03:26:08,650 --> 03:26:11,510
Correct, they have to be sent out, at least,

2769
03:26:11,770 --> 03:26:17,110
is it 14 days, 21 days in advance of the hearing date?

2770
03:26:17,610 --> 03:26:19,850
So signs what, 21 days before the public hearing?

2771
03:26:21,650 --> 03:26:25,410
Okay, and then notices are also sent to property owners within

2772
03:26:26,490 --> 03:26:28,310
300 feet of the property

2773
03:26:29,530 --> 03:26:36,910
Well, we've talked about the signage before and I know we've mentioned the signage about how it's kind of hard to read when you're driving by but that's that's a good time

2774
03:26:36,910 --> 03:26:40,790
I may be able to get a hold of the city and find out what's going on out there, but

2775
03:26:40,790 --> 03:26:42,350
Let's go ask you on talk

2776
03:26:44,410 --> 03:26:46,310
You may be last

2777
03:26:46,310 --> 03:26:47,750
No, she's not last

2778
03:26:47,750 --> 03:26:49,070
Nobody else is showing up

2779
03:26:49,070 --> 03:26:59,070
Yeah, we've got George Shaper, yep, yep, I thought you'd put him in the back.

2780
03:27:01,010 --> 03:27:02,450
Oh, I thought you'd put him in the back.

2781
03:27:02,850 --> 03:27:03,870
George Shaper.

2782
03:27:04,010 --> 03:27:05,230
Thank you, thank you.

2783
03:27:07,710 --> 03:27:09,390
I do appreciate your alls.

2784
03:27:09,410 --> 03:27:14,370
Everybody's got to be tired and I got to first address you guys that you must have a spare bedroom

2785
03:27:14,370 --> 03:27:17,490
for me to sleep in tonight because my wife won't let me come home.

2786
03:27:19,050 --> 03:27:22,950
Well, what Ms. Gillespie doesn't know is the last person to come up here and talk to you?

2787
03:27:22,950 --> 03:27:23,570
There you go.

2788
03:27:23,810 --> 03:27:24,610
Go order the pizza.

2789
03:27:25,330 --> 03:27:26,330
Come all for that.

2790
03:27:26,650 --> 03:27:27,990
I'm all for that.

2791
03:27:28,790 --> 03:27:31,790
No, I, well, I first heard about this.

2792
03:27:31,950 --> 03:27:32,710
I apologize.

2793
03:27:33,150 --> 03:27:34,070
I have not heard.

2794
03:27:34,530 --> 03:27:36,430
I don't, I'm not familiar with the infrastructure.

2795
03:27:36,790 --> 03:27:38,870
I'm a foreigner from Bixby.

2796
03:27:39,130 --> 03:27:39,870
Oh, yeah.

2797
03:27:40,610 --> 03:27:41,190
He's easy.

2798
03:27:41,330 --> 03:27:41,790
He's easy.

2799
03:27:43,230 --> 03:27:44,430
What we need help and prayer.

2800
03:27:46,310 --> 03:27:52,610
But I am a messy any Jew and I want to tell you just a little bit about a little bit

2801
03:27:52,610 --> 03:27:56,330
just a smidge about my background. I'm watching my green light. I can do this in three minutes.

2802
03:27:56,570 --> 03:28:00,790
I can do it. I've got two of that. I'm down to two. Thank you.

2803
03:28:02,630 --> 03:28:05,990
But what they've been saying tonight, what they have been saying,

2804
03:28:06,230 --> 03:28:10,650
how the Islamic religion they're trained professionally to lie.

2805
03:28:10,650 --> 03:28:18,570
I have two Korans, I apologize if I pronounce it wrong, I've been in Africa, I was in Nigeria,

2806
03:28:19,490 --> 03:28:24,210
when they were killing a lot of Jews and a lot of Christians.

2807
03:28:25,410 --> 03:28:28,190
And it's not a pretty sight, it isn't a pretty sight.

2808
03:28:28,790 --> 03:28:34,750
And I know several Muslims, and someone said here while ago that not all Muslims are bad.

2809
03:28:35,590 --> 03:28:39,630
Well, not all Christians are Christians.

2810
03:28:41,570 --> 03:28:45,250
And so, I mean, I think there's a lot that we've got a really process.

2811
03:28:45,630 --> 03:28:51,990
I think you folks up here have to ask yourself tonight, what you're going to vote on,

2812
03:28:51,990 --> 03:28:56,470
what you're going to permit, and I can back what I'm saying, and I'm not going to, it's

2813
03:28:56,470 --> 03:28:59,290
a ditto, as you said, while I go, say ditto's, if it's been repeated.

2814
03:28:59,410 --> 03:29:02,390
My gosh, ditto's ditto's ditto's ditto's, you know, a lot of stuff.

2815
03:29:02,390 --> 03:29:16,450
But, you know, the Islamic religion is not a religion, but a geopolitical ideology, that's really, that's not my opinion, that's studied history, proves that, oh my gosh, my time is shot.

2816
03:29:18,890 --> 03:29:31,450
I want to say this again, in closing this, my great uncle was burned up in the Holocaust, back in the forties, and when my Jewish families and all of them,

2817
03:29:31,450 --> 03:29:35,350
I was born here, I'm going to California, don't hold that against me, California boy.

2818
03:29:35,910 --> 03:29:42,550
But I do pray that you guys, do you really want to risk the, do you really want to risk

2819
03:29:42,550 --> 03:29:44,730
this and your children, your great grandchildren?

2820
03:29:44,810 --> 03:29:51,150
I get great grandkids myself and let them be subject to what is coming.

2821
03:29:51,350 --> 03:29:52,450
It's been said here tonight.

2822
03:29:52,810 --> 03:29:53,610
It is coming.

2823
03:29:53,990 --> 03:29:56,330
Whether we like it, whether we believe it or not, it is coming.

2824
03:29:56,330 --> 03:29:59,970
and I'm just sorry that it is and I'm sorry that this even has to be

2825
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:04,520
I would thank you for the short term. I will quit.

2826
03:30:05,680 --> 03:30:05,860
Thank you.

2827
03:30:05,860 --> 03:30:06,240
Thank you.

2828
03:30:06,360 --> 03:30:07,640
Thank you.

2829
03:30:07,640 --> 03:30:08,160
Thank you.

2830
03:30:08,320 --> 03:30:14,360
Christy Oletalg, Oletalg, Derek Massingale.

2831
03:30:15,900 --> 03:30:16,740
Okay, come on up, Derek.

2832
03:30:16,920 --> 03:30:22,520
And after Derek, Paula Dine, Paula Dine.

2833
03:30:25,770 --> 03:30:27,090
You've been standing over a long time.

2834
03:30:27,090 --> 03:30:28,670
You have been waiting for a long time.

2835
03:30:28,810 --> 03:30:32,390
And there's been a hungry, Derek Massingale is my name.

2836
03:30:33,650 --> 03:30:34,910
I had a whole big long list.

2837
03:30:35,090 --> 03:30:37,210
I was going to preach to you guys like everybody else.

2838
03:30:37,290 --> 03:30:38,130
But I'm not going to do that.

2839
03:30:38,170 --> 03:30:40,730
What I'm going to say is, as a general contractor,

2840
03:30:41,930 --> 03:30:43,350
I've been through a lot of these.

2841
03:30:44,050 --> 03:30:47,130
And what I'm going to say is simply looking at that,

2842
03:30:47,710 --> 03:30:49,090
I've been stuck in that traffic.

2843
03:30:50,450 --> 03:30:54,430
There's no reason to have an additional facility

2844
03:30:54,430 --> 03:30:58,130
that is going to cause more stress on the infrastructure.

2845
03:30:58,670 --> 03:31:03,390
Number one, number two, I can promise you if they have 700 parking spaces,

2846
03:31:04,010 --> 03:31:09,590
there is not a septic system big enough to cover that with what they're going to do.

2847
03:31:09,850 --> 03:31:10,730
It's not, there's not.

2848
03:31:10,730 --> 03:31:12,510
There's not a septic system big enough.

2849
03:31:12,950 --> 03:31:14,570
You will have to tie into the city sewer.

2850
03:31:15,390 --> 03:31:16,690
Check into it if I'm not right.

2851
03:31:16,890 --> 03:31:20,890
Correct me, but I'm going to go to the engineers, but that's one of the issues.

2852
03:31:20,890 --> 03:31:29,890
I think where we are with this situation, and I implore you all to consider this, I'm not saying don't build it.

2853
03:31:30,370 --> 03:31:39,690
I'm saying they need to come back to the table when they have the funds to do an engineering study, to do the feasibility study,

2854
03:31:40,570 --> 03:31:44,190
and to do the correct things that need to be done for this to be constructed.

2855
03:31:44,190 --> 03:31:49,390
because what I'm seeing and all of this, these proposals and this and that, that's not

2856
03:31:49,390 --> 03:31:50,950
anything to present to you all.

2857
03:31:51,170 --> 03:31:56,450
That is a pipe dream that I can't imagine as a contractor coming to this commission,

2858
03:31:57,110 --> 03:31:58,430
which I thank you for your service.

2859
03:31:59,690 --> 03:32:02,350
And just saying, well, this is kind of what we want to do.

2860
03:32:03,310 --> 03:32:08,010
And we really don't have money for it, but we want you to approve it anyway.

2861
03:32:08,710 --> 03:32:10,850
And someday we're going to get there.

2862
03:32:10,850 --> 03:32:15,710
Well, someday I'm going to be a millionaire, but that's not going to happen tomorrow unless

2863
03:32:15,710 --> 03:32:22,790
I have to a lottery tomorrow, but the point is that have them come back when they have

2864
03:32:22,790 --> 03:32:24,410
the funds to do it right.

2865
03:32:25,630 --> 03:32:36,370
I honestly believe the citizens of Broken Arrow would not be as opposed to this if it was

2866
03:32:36,370 --> 03:32:37,470
done in that manner.

2867
03:32:37,470 --> 03:32:44,990
I think if there was an actual architectural rendering brought before the people and said here's

2868
03:32:44,990 --> 03:32:52,250
what we want to do, it's not a big prayer tower, it's not this and that, it's not a big place

2869
03:32:52,250 --> 03:33:01,090
to have shopping centers. It's a worship center, okay? Do a worship center, but do it right.

2870
03:33:01,950 --> 03:33:07,310
build it when you start this when you have the money, not peace-milling it in phases.

2871
03:33:07,990 --> 03:33:12,350
Their own architect said, I don't know if they have money where we're at on this whole

2872
03:33:12,350 --> 03:33:12,650
thing.

2873
03:33:12,830 --> 03:33:13,510
They're all in architect.

2874
03:33:13,970 --> 03:33:18,510
But that's pretty common for them to do that to actually come in before they see if

2875
03:33:18,510 --> 03:33:22,430
they could get approval for all this before they start putting a lot of money into the design

2876
03:33:22,430 --> 03:33:24,290
permits and all that other stuff.

2877
03:33:24,610 --> 03:33:27,890
So that's usually what if you spend all your money down in there and find out you can't

2878
03:33:27,890 --> 03:33:34,930
it can't get approval. It's a lot of money wasted. I think that's called business. That's

2879
03:33:34,930 --> 03:33:39,750
called doing business. Yeah, but there's a risk. You take as a business man or business woman

2880
03:33:39,750 --> 03:33:46,110
and you buy property, then you take that risk and you put your investment in and you hope for the

2881
03:33:46,110 --> 03:33:51,270
best. You don't throw the cart before the horse and say, let's go win a race. Well, there's actually

2882
03:33:51,270 --> 03:33:56,430
a lot of projects that come through here and the applicants come in here and there's the buying

2883
03:33:56,430 --> 03:34:02,650
They've got a contract contingent to buy the property based on why they're going to get approval for the zoning request that happens too.

2884
03:34:02,850 --> 03:34:03,950
Sure, so how many of those fail?

2885
03:34:04,650 --> 03:34:05,370
I don't know.

2886
03:34:05,850 --> 03:34:10,990
There's not a reason to go out there and buy the property and find out you're not going to get the zoning request.

2887
03:34:11,130 --> 03:34:13,590
I'll see if you get the change approved first.

2888
03:34:14,390 --> 03:34:15,470
Then, by the property.

2889
03:34:15,790 --> 03:34:17,190
Again, I'm a general contractor.

2890
03:34:17,410 --> 03:34:19,170
I fully understand the process.

2891
03:34:19,410 --> 03:34:24,390
I'm saying that you as the commission have the responsibility to make sure that they don't put an

2892
03:34:24,390 --> 03:34:29,290
or their, and from what their own architects said, they don't have the money. They're gathering

2893
03:34:29,290 --> 03:34:32,590
the money. They don't have it. They don't have it. They don't have it. They don't have it.

2894
03:34:32,590 --> 03:34:36,570
It doesn't matter. We don't know if there's going to be a nice store anywhere. Right. But I

2895
03:34:36,570 --> 03:34:40,890
would say if they do it, if they build it halfway, and it stops like the like the casino,

2896
03:34:42,030 --> 03:34:45,970
you're stuck with it, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Julie,

2897
03:34:45,970 --> 03:34:48,890
Arthington, Julie Arthington.

2898
03:34:49,570 --> 03:34:53,390
Okay, Joshua Ha, her, Joshua H.

2899
03:35:00,230 --> 03:35:02,410
George Shafer from Leonard, Oklahoma.

2900
03:35:03,390 --> 03:35:04,870
George Shafer from Leonard, Oklahoma.

2901
03:35:06,750 --> 03:35:08,470
Irene Dowberger,

2902
03:35:12,760 --> 03:35:14,820
Gary Thomas, yay.

2903
03:35:15,590 --> 03:35:16,640
You get to speak.

2904
03:35:18,920 --> 03:35:20,620
It's the Grant Ellis in the room.

2905
03:35:21,060 --> 03:35:22,180
Grant Ellis.

2906
03:35:23,500 --> 03:35:23,660
Correct.

2907
03:35:23,660 --> 03:35:25,360
My name is Gary Thomas.

2908
03:35:27,380 --> 03:35:34,800
Let me go over a modern example here, the Islamic center called epic.

2909
03:35:35,240 --> 03:35:37,000
I'm going to go through a few points.

2910
03:35:37,960 --> 03:35:40,580
This could be some similarities that you guys need to understand.

2911
03:35:41,320 --> 03:35:46,300
It's a Muslim center, city, slash city, near Plano, Texas.

2912
03:35:47,180 --> 03:35:51,500
The East Plano Islamic center, which is what epic stands for,

2913
03:35:51,500 --> 03:35:54,000
is one of the largest mosque in Dallas area.

2914
03:35:55,180 --> 03:35:59,340
It was supposedly compliant with US and Texas law,

2915
03:35:59,860 --> 03:36:02,820
where they came in with a compliant proposal.

2916
03:36:03,540 --> 03:36:06,040
However, a governor Abbott, this is a governor

2917
03:36:07,180 --> 03:36:14,500
of a huge state, said, let's see all of them.

2918
03:36:15,800 --> 03:36:19,660
Said, however, governor Abbott publicly opposed

2919
03:36:19,660 --> 03:36:25,440
the project stating, Sharia Law is not allowed in Texas and nor are Sharia cities.

2920
03:36:25,720 --> 03:36:26,520
That's a governor.

2921
03:36:28,240 --> 03:36:33,440
He directed multiple state agencies to investigate epic and affiliate violations, including

2922
03:36:33,440 --> 03:36:38,860
unfair housing discrimination, unlawful funeral services, environmental permitting issues

2923
03:36:38,860 --> 03:36:44,560
that apply here, and potential financial hurt to investors, those people that invested

2924
03:36:44,560 --> 03:36:45,260
in it.

2925
03:36:45,260 --> 03:36:52,580
Abbott directed the Texas Rangers to open a criminal investigation into epic for potential illegal activities.

2926
03:36:53,260 --> 03:36:55,920
He described the project as a threat to Texas.

2927
03:36:56,740 --> 03:37:04,080
Community is accusing, organizing, organizers of scheming to evade scrutiny and use religion for segregation.

2928
03:37:04,080 --> 03:37:12,780
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxon, Attorney General, investigations into potential consumer protection

2929
03:37:12,780 --> 03:37:18,220
law violations and security frauds, fraud related to the project funding and marketing.

2930
03:37:18,800 --> 03:37:25,560
In December 2025, Paxon filed lawsuit against epic community capital partners, the development

2931
03:37:25,560 --> 03:37:33,500
entity and leaders, alleging illegal security sales, misleading promotional materials, and

2932
03:37:33,500 --> 03:37:38,660
the community was Muslim-exclusive and funneling funds improperly.

2933
03:37:39,080 --> 03:37:43,600
Packs can also call it a radical plan to harm Texas and vowed to stop it.

2934
03:37:43,680 --> 03:37:48,800
Then that's a public safety issue that you all are a response before.

2935
03:37:50,840 --> 03:37:53,740
So in summation I would say, why would Broken Arrow open themselves up

2936
03:37:53,740 --> 03:37:57,380
to such a possible train wreck?

2937
03:37:58,320 --> 03:37:59,880
And I want to add a couple of other points.

2938
03:37:59,880 --> 03:38:07,340
somebody asked me, again, somebody talked about the septic tank, they said that there has to be

2939
03:38:07,340 --> 03:38:13,140
a certain distance from the septic tank to the floodplain, and that's something to take

2940
03:38:13,140 --> 03:38:22,220
in consideration, is that area there? And then another person asked me to ask that this is going

2941
03:38:22,220 --> 03:38:26,400
to be more than Friday, one of the gentlemen said the Muslim General said that they go to

2942
03:38:26,400 --> 03:38:31,880
more than Friday. So anyway, just take those at considerations. Thank you. Thank you.

2943
03:38:32,280 --> 03:38:36,920
Thank you. Okay. Let me say this. Is there any way, is there any way I can get some

2944
03:38:36,920 --> 03:38:40,940
aid from staff to see if there's anybody still in the overflow room? And if there is to ask

2945
03:38:40,940 --> 03:38:47,400
it, did anybody in there sign up to speak? Yeah, because we've, we've got this whole group.

2946
03:38:47,600 --> 03:38:54,280
So I'm, so you, okay, what is your name, ma'am? Thanks, Jill. Okay, I called your name already.

2947
03:38:56,120 --> 03:38:58,620
I said you wanted to come up when I call your name.

2948
03:38:59,760 --> 03:39:00,740
Okay, so go ahead, Mary.

2949
03:39:01,460 --> 03:39:02,140
Come on up.

2950
03:39:02,760 --> 03:39:03,080
You, sir?

2951
03:39:06,250 --> 03:39:08,110
Okay, I don't recall seeing you.

2952
03:39:08,290 --> 03:39:08,690
Okay, hold on.

2953
03:39:08,770 --> 03:39:09,730
Very, do you sign up?

2954
03:39:12,900 --> 03:39:13,100
Okay.

2955
03:39:16,750 --> 03:39:17,050
Okay.

2956
03:39:18,150 --> 03:39:19,650
We'll look for it.

2957
03:39:19,770 --> 03:39:20,550
Go ahead, Miss Mary.

2958
03:39:21,510 --> 03:39:23,090
Chairman, members of the Commission.

2959
03:39:23,310 --> 03:39:23,730
You're right.

2960
03:39:23,850 --> 03:39:27,930
I'm Mary Bishop Baldwin, a 30 year resident of Broken Arrow.

2961
03:39:29,370 --> 03:39:39,250
As local public servants, you are charged with carrying out your duties not only in accord with the ordinances of the City of Broken Arrow.

2962
03:39:40,030 --> 03:39:45,170
But in conjunction with the laws of the State of Oklahoma and the United States of America.

2963
03:39:46,550 --> 03:39:57,910
As you consider this routine request for resounding and a conditional use permit for the Islamic Society of Tulsa's plan to create a saddle

2964
03:39:57,910 --> 03:40:05,750
light campus for broken era's Muslim residents. I urge you to consider your responsibility

2965
03:40:05,750 --> 03:40:12,830
to uphold the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which mandates

2966
03:40:12,830 --> 03:40:19,670
that the government not make laws hindering freedom of religion, or by extension in this

2967
03:40:19,670 --> 03:40:24,170
case, make rulings based on the religion of the applicant.

2968
03:40:25,230 --> 03:40:29,830
Oklahoma also has laws specifically addressing this issue.

2969
03:40:31,590 --> 03:40:36,850
The Oklahoma Constitution in Section 1, 2 states that, quote,

2970
03:40:37,510 --> 03:40:41,610
perfect toleration of religious sentiment shall be secured.

2971
03:40:42,550 --> 03:40:47,870
And no inhabitant of the state shall ever be molested in person or property

2972
03:40:47,870 --> 03:40:51,450
on account of his or her mode of religious worship.

2973
03:40:51,450 --> 03:40:58,610
And no religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.

2974
03:41:00,050 --> 03:41:06,810
The Islamic Society of Tulsa is exercising its civil or political rights

2975
03:41:06,810 --> 03:41:13,170
and coming before you with its request for a zoning change in a conditional use permit.

2976
03:41:15,420 --> 03:41:18,460
The Oklahoma Religious Freedom Act of 2023

2977
03:41:18,460 --> 03:41:25,880
passed by the legislature and signed into law by Governor Stitt, also prohibits discrimination-based

2978
03:41:25,880 --> 03:41:33,300
on religion. Senator Julie Daniels, a conservative Republican from Bottle Spill, said the legislation

2979
03:41:33,300 --> 03:41:39,440
clarifies that when the government makes a benefit available to private entities, it cannot

2980
03:41:39,440 --> 03:41:45,600
exclude religious entities from accessing the benefit primarily based only or primarily

2981
03:41:45,600 --> 03:41:48,660
on their character as a religious entity.

2982
03:41:49,700 --> 03:41:52,600
And in an executive order just this year,

2983
03:41:52,820 --> 03:41:54,840
Governor Stitt directed state agencies

2984
03:41:54,840 --> 03:41:57,700
to remove barriers preventing religious groups

2985
03:41:57,700 --> 03:42:01,560
from participating in public programs or receiving benefits.

2986
03:42:02,700 --> 03:42:05,840
A requested zoning change and a conditional use permit

2987
03:42:05,840 --> 03:42:09,020
are public benefits to landowners.

2988
03:42:10,120 --> 03:42:14,940
It seems that many people who have been making public comments

2989
03:42:14,940 --> 03:42:22,120
on this issue, have the idea that religious freedom is for me, but not for thee.

2990
03:42:22,840 --> 03:42:23,940
It doesn't.

2991
03:42:24,020 --> 03:42:25,460
It can't work that way.

2992
03:42:25,780 --> 03:42:26,200
Thank you.

2993
03:42:26,220 --> 03:42:26,600
Thank you.

2994
03:42:31,250 --> 03:42:35,650
Okay, Barry, I'm looking for your sheet and I'm not finding it yet.

2995
03:42:37,050 --> 03:42:38,170
No, Barry Piles.

2996
03:42:38,810 --> 03:42:40,210
Barry, when did you feel off that floor?

2997
03:42:45,190 --> 03:42:46,290
You know what color it was?

2998
03:42:48,250 --> 03:42:52,230
Was it pink or was it white?

2999
03:42:52,230 --> 03:42:53,610
Okay, that helps

3000
03:42:57,130 --> 03:42:59,510
we won't try to make sure everybody got their fair shot.

3001
03:43:06,700 --> 03:43:07,780
So did you sign up?

3002
03:43:10,540 --> 03:43:10,780
Sorry

3003
03:43:20,360 --> 03:43:26,940
I understand but yeah, I have to sign up. That's it up. That's that. I don't see I don't see Barry

3004
03:43:26,940 --> 03:43:29,480
Barry, I don't see yours in here

3005
03:43:30,640 --> 03:43:32,260
Sir with your hand raised

3006
03:43:34,940 --> 03:43:38,840
David hold on we're looking okay we'll we'll look for for your answer

3007
03:43:38,840 --> 03:43:41,440
All right, okay

3008
03:43:41,440 --> 03:43:51,140
They had if you sent an email request that you speak tonight jail. Did you ask in the other room if there was a nice wish?

3009
03:43:57,450 --> 03:43:58,730
Michael what

3010
03:43:59,710 --> 03:44:01,410
When you fell out for

3011
03:44:03,410 --> 03:44:09,390
That's what these are all for for it so I don't know

3012
03:44:13,590 --> 03:44:15,670
You're him, you're stuck.

3013
03:44:17,110 --> 03:44:19,190
That works so many up out there.

3014
03:44:20,890 --> 03:44:21,890
David Paris?

3015
03:44:22,370 --> 03:44:22,870
Okay.

3016
03:44:23,290 --> 03:44:23,510
No.

3017
03:44:24,030 --> 03:44:25,130
Not much of these feet.

3018
03:44:28,140 --> 03:44:28,320
Okay.

3019
03:44:28,460 --> 03:44:29,860
I'm just going to read through these again.

3020
03:44:30,020 --> 03:44:32,540
These are all the people that I have left to speak.

3021
03:44:33,880 --> 03:44:34,720
David Giles.

3022
03:44:36,060 --> 03:44:36,980
Nathan Forrest.

3023
03:44:37,780 --> 03:44:38,520
Gary Geiger.

3024
03:44:41,240 --> 03:44:42,240
Deity Malair.

3025
03:44:44,200 --> 03:44:45,200
Deborah Parkhurst.

3026
03:44:45,200 --> 03:44:51,480
Steve Swayger, Mark Smentowski, Olaf,

3027
03:44:53,630 --> 03:44:59,950
Kana-Sep, Braden O'Dale, Tony O'Dale, Gary O'Dale.

3028
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:07,900
Bill Jeff Hill, Corey Brain, Calvin Crawford,

3029
03:45:10,140 --> 03:45:14,020
Doug Cunsel, Brenda Cunselman,

3030
03:45:16,650 --> 03:45:21,170
Tom Horder, Eva Cieri, Heather Simon,

3031
03:45:26,890 --> 03:45:33,670
May, Marnes Anderson, Derek Davis, okay, come on up, Derek.

3032
03:45:38,730 --> 03:45:39,230
Sir?

3033
03:45:47,130 --> 03:45:49,310
Okay, then you are.

3034
03:45:50,630 --> 03:45:53,210
Okay, you can go after this gentleman.

3035
03:45:53,990 --> 03:45:54,150
Okay.

3036
03:45:55,770 --> 03:45:56,610
After there.

3037
03:45:58,630 --> 03:46:00,270
All right, we'll look to it here at a second.

3038
03:46:01,130 --> 03:46:03,830
So eventually we got a quick call of names and I think we're going to do that.

3039
03:46:03,830 --> 03:46:08,930
We go to it one more time if they may have left the room and may have left the building they may be going home. I don't know.

3040
03:46:09,150 --> 03:46:13,870
So we'll go to it one more time if you're here. You're here. You're here to not. So be it. Right.

3041
03:46:15,390 --> 03:46:18,070
Correct. But we're going to look for your former Mr. Piles.

3042
03:46:21,040 --> 03:46:24,200
I actually know the guy. So that's why we're talking.

3043
03:46:24,960 --> 03:46:27,080
But I got it. I got to play a little bit.

3044
03:46:27,180 --> 03:46:29,640
There it go. Thank you. Please take your name.

3045
03:46:29,820 --> 03:46:35,160
My name is Derek Davis. First off, I want to just address what the gentleman there was going to say.

3046
03:46:35,160 --> 03:46:45,360
drainage is going to be an issue. I agree with you hardly on that. Not exactly what I wanted to talk about, but you guys don't want to hear what I want to talk about. I'm going to talk about it anyhow

3047
03:46:45,360 --> 03:47:01,960
This is from Charlie Kirk. Islam is not compatible with Western civilization. Period. I'm not talking about individual. We're talking about micro or macro ideology where many of the gathered where many of them gathered together

3048
03:47:03,400 --> 03:47:06,360
And what that metastasizes into.

3049
03:47:07,000 --> 03:47:15,720
So I want you to try to filter out any individual interactions because that is a distraction

3050
03:47:15,720 --> 03:47:19,180
from what is happening in our civilization as a whole.

3051
03:47:20,920 --> 03:47:22,440
How is it not compatible?

3052
03:47:22,920 --> 03:47:26,680
Number one, we as Christians, and Americans believe in freedom of speech.

3053
03:47:27,380 --> 03:47:28,880
We believe it is our birthright.

3054
03:47:28,880 --> 03:47:34,820
Islam does not believe in freedom of speech, period. You cannot question Muhammad. You cannot make fun of him.

3055
03:47:35,040 --> 03:47:43,680
You cannot question this state. Number two, we do not believe in freedom. Number two, they do not believe in freedom of expression or freedom of religion.

3056
03:47:44,500 --> 03:47:51,660
In Islam, in their verses, you are allowed to lie. You are allowed to deceive in front of God.

3057
03:47:51,660 --> 03:47:55,320
as long as it advances the aims and the goals of Islam,

3058
03:47:55,940 --> 03:48:00,180
you are allowed to masquerade as a different person or a different version of yourself.

3059
03:48:00,680 --> 03:48:03,660
This is a foreign concept to us Americans and as Christians.

3060
03:48:05,220 --> 03:48:10,160
Because we believe that the ultimate value claim of Christianity is its truth,

3061
03:48:10,600 --> 03:48:16,920
because Jesus, our Lord and Savior is truth, and truth became flesh.

3062
03:48:16,920 --> 03:48:25,920
at the top of all of it, it's truth. In Islam is not truth. Truth is not the ultimate Islamic

3063
03:48:25,920 --> 03:48:33,460
value. It's not. It's power, domination, subjugation, conquer, and conquest. Islam talks

3064
03:48:33,460 --> 03:48:41,620
takes over by force. There is a reason it is a religion of the sword to create global,

3065
03:48:46,880 --> 03:48:46,900
to create

3066
03:48:46,900 --> 03:48:48,640
Thank you for your time.

3067
03:48:49,020 --> 03:48:50,840
Thank you.

3068
03:48:51,200 --> 03:48:52,140
Okay, Mark.

3069
03:49:01,470 --> 03:49:02,430
You're up.

3070
03:49:13,010 --> 03:49:14,290
First, thank you all for your time.

3071
03:49:14,350 --> 03:49:15,010
I appreciate it.

3072
03:49:15,190 --> 03:49:16,690
It's a long night.

3073
03:49:17,150 --> 03:49:19,070
I'll leave something as well.

3074
03:49:20,950 --> 03:49:24,950
Unfortunately, I only have one.

3075
03:49:25,430 --> 03:49:26,930
One thing to say about infrastructure.

3076
03:49:27,330 --> 03:49:27,770
Oh, sorry.

3077
03:49:28,250 --> 03:49:28,290
Mark.

3078
03:49:28,290 --> 03:49:28,530
Mark.

3079
03:49:28,530 --> 03:49:29,930
That's when Towsky broke in our resident.

3080
03:49:30,270 --> 03:49:31,210
They see I did, okay.

3081
03:49:31,510 --> 03:49:32,130
Yeah, you did.

3082
03:49:32,490 --> 03:49:32,730
Very well.

3083
03:49:32,790 --> 03:49:33,630
Thank you.

3084
03:49:33,890 --> 03:49:36,110
I only have one.

3085
03:49:36,930 --> 03:49:39,970
I guess remark I should say about the infrastructure.

3086
03:49:40,970 --> 03:49:43,270
Last summer, taking my son to Little League practice.

3087
03:49:43,970 --> 03:49:45,690
One 29th, it was five o'clock.

3088
03:49:46,090 --> 03:49:47,490
Half a mile was backed up.

3089
03:49:47,590 --> 03:49:48,430
The two lane road.

3090
03:49:49,010 --> 03:49:52,030
So I don't know, this is probably going to impact a decent amount.

3091
03:49:53,370 --> 03:49:56,630
But then the others, there's some just a little bit of research.

3092
03:49:56,630 --> 03:50:02,070
just from one of the articles I read, just a few points here, I'd like to read off in

3093
03:50:02,070 --> 03:50:07,670
the Inc. 7 of them. In 2007, and this is regarding the land owner of the property owner,

3094
03:50:07,910 --> 03:50:15,890
North American Islamic Trust and AIT. It says in 2007, federal prosecutors named M&AIT as an

3095
03:50:15,890 --> 03:50:22,070
unindicted co-conspirator in the United States versus Holy Land Foundation, where defendants

3096
03:50:22,070 --> 03:50:25,570
were convicted of funneling $12.4 million to hummus.

3097
03:50:26,590 --> 03:50:29,830
A 2015 New York Post Investigation Documented

3098
03:50:29,830 --> 03:50:32,190
N.A.I.T. control mosques have been attended

3099
03:50:32,190 --> 03:50:36,490
by terrorists responsible for major attacks on American soil.

3100
03:50:37,530 --> 03:50:41,690
A 2004 Chicago Tribune Investigation detailed how N.A.

3101
03:50:41,690 --> 03:50:45,490
I.T. took control of mosques from moderate communities

3102
03:50:46,210 --> 03:50:50,350
further to that point, according to a 2007 report

3103
03:50:50,350 --> 03:50:56,590
published by the Global Muslim Brotherhood Watch, a consistent pattern emergence and merges.

3104
03:50:57,230 --> 03:51:04,970
N-A-I-T assumes mosque deeds, invests Saudi or Brotherhood money, drives out moderate leaders,

3105
03:51:05,590 --> 03:51:10,770
and installs fundamentalist clergy who enforce conservative, Wahabi interpretations.

3106
03:51:11,530 --> 03:51:15,390
This has played out in California, Texas, Arizona, and Florida.

3107
03:51:15,390 --> 03:51:23,610
N-A-I-T's current board of trustees includes three members with alleged ties to extremism and terrorism financing.

3108
03:51:24,810 --> 03:51:25,430
Two more here.

3109
03:51:26,070 --> 03:51:36,350
Former FBI agent Robert Stoffer's 1980s investigation found that N-A-I-T functioned as a financial holding company for Muslim brotherhood-related groups.

3110
03:51:36,350 --> 03:51:43,630
And lastly, N-A-I-T board members have publicly expressed support for G-Hod and the implementation

3111
03:51:43,630 --> 03:51:46,210
of Sharia Law in all areas.

3112
03:51:47,110 --> 03:51:49,230
And that's all in that reference data.

3113
03:51:49,410 --> 03:51:50,190
Thank you for your time.

3114
03:51:50,350 --> 03:51:50,950
Thank you.

3115
03:51:51,830 --> 03:51:53,470
Thank you.

3116
03:51:55,050 --> 03:51:55,870
All right.

3117
03:51:56,370 --> 03:52:01,050
So we have, I guess we've got two or three individuals that said they signed up to

3118
03:52:01,050 --> 03:52:02,570
speak and we can't find a form.

3119
03:52:02,870 --> 03:52:04,870
So I know, I guess what I'm just very piles.

3120
03:52:04,870 --> 03:52:11,930
And did you say you also any grant hold on I say we're getting you written down

3121
03:52:11,930 --> 03:52:13,730
I like to speak

3122
03:52:13,730 --> 03:52:16,010
Now we're on the honor system here, so

3123
03:52:17,310 --> 03:52:18,270
So what's

3124
03:52:23,580 --> 03:52:27,340
I'm okay. Yeah, I'm sorry the name back there the lady back there

3125
03:52:29,310 --> 03:52:31,150
Wade Miller's right there

3126
03:52:32,500 --> 03:52:37,660
Wade Miller. I thought I called wait Miller. No, I don't remember you call him. Okay

3127
03:52:38,180 --> 03:52:39,380
Yeah, what was your name

3128
03:52:42,100 --> 03:52:44,380
and you formed out? Are you filled out a fool?

3129
03:52:45,560 --> 03:52:47,020
What's that last name again?

3130
03:52:49,180 --> 03:52:49,400
Okay,

3131
03:52:51,610 --> 03:52:52,230
what's there anybody else?

3132
03:52:54,170 --> 03:52:54,650
What's

3133
03:52:57,500 --> 03:52:58,960
your name?

3134
03:53:04,130 --> 03:53:05,090
Stark well

3135
03:53:11,040 --> 03:53:13,660
What was your name laying brown?

3136
03:53:17,560 --> 03:53:20,620
I'm not asking for everybody. Oh, I'm just what was your name?

3137
03:53:22,120 --> 03:53:23,080
There's a difference

3138
03:53:27,150 --> 03:53:32,370
being is what since we're doing it this way you only have about 38 seconds, okay?

3139
03:53:36,330 --> 03:53:36,770
So

3140
03:53:39,680 --> 03:53:43,300
I just he's and you'll still have your three minutes because I got the attorney down there

3141
03:53:43,920 --> 03:53:49,200
So I got everybody's name now. This is our last place and then Miss Gillespie. I guess you're gonna be the last speaker

3142
03:53:49,940 --> 03:53:53,140
Okay, so here. Do I need to read through these one more time?

3143
03:53:53,560 --> 03:53:55,480
Okay, thank you

3144
03:53:55,480 --> 03:53:56,280
So here's the names

3145
03:53:56,280 --> 03:53:57,620
Okay, so Brady Thompson

3146
03:53:59,680 --> 03:54:02,580
Or we were doing or were we doing very pal

3147
03:54:02,580 --> 03:54:03,940
The order whatever

3148
03:54:03,940 --> 03:54:04,200
Great.

3149
03:54:04,500 --> 03:54:04,820
Go ahead, great.

3150
03:54:04,820 --> 03:54:05,100
Whatever.

3151
03:54:05,380 --> 03:54:07,400
I'm going to start this top.

3152
03:54:08,480 --> 03:54:08,660
All right.

3153
03:54:09,000 --> 03:54:10,480
Grady Thompson is my name.

3154
03:54:12,000 --> 03:54:17,620
So I just want to come up here and say that first of all, so drainage is a big problem,

3155
03:54:18,820 --> 03:54:20,900
but I'm not really up here to speak about that.

3156
03:54:22,600 --> 03:54:26,660
So it's really a safety issue when you really think about it because, okay.

3157
03:54:27,080 --> 03:54:33,920
So if you just take the Muslims as the nominator and Muslims like a miteric attack,

3158
03:54:33,920 --> 03:54:38,000
as the numerator, and then you take Christians, as the denominator on the other one.

3159
03:54:38,040 --> 03:54:40,140
In Christian-the-comment terrorist attacks on the other one.

3160
03:54:40,360 --> 03:54:40,840
Is the numerator?

3161
03:54:41,260 --> 03:54:42,240
Could you get closer to my phone?

3162
03:54:42,240 --> 03:54:42,760
Yeah, sorry.

3163
03:54:43,300 --> 03:54:43,780
Pull it towards.

3164
03:54:44,000 --> 03:54:44,340
There you go.

3165
03:54:44,760 --> 03:54:44,920
Sorry.

3166
03:54:45,700 --> 03:54:46,580
So what are those percentages?

3167
03:54:47,720 --> 03:54:51,300
Everyone knows that the Muslims that commit terrorist attacks are a high percentage.

3168
03:54:52,620 --> 03:54:56,840
It's really just come down to the safety issue and traffic is another issue.

3169
03:54:56,840 --> 03:54:59,180
I drive on this road quite often.

3170
03:55:00,840 --> 03:55:06,380
And 700 parking spots on a two lane road when there's, if I want, it's already backed up for maybe five minutes at a time.

3171
03:55:06,760 --> 03:55:08,180
Just not going to work at all.

3172
03:55:10,400 --> 03:55:10,760
Like,

3173
03:55:15,780 --> 03:55:18,000
just, it's also going to be a big eye sore.

3174
03:55:18,560 --> 03:55:19,520
Like, if you think about it.

3175
03:55:20,140 --> 03:55:21,520
So they don't have the money for it.

3176
03:55:21,640 --> 03:55:22,760
So I don't know why you would approve it.

3177
03:55:22,840 --> 03:55:24,300
They don't have the money for it first of all.

3178
03:55:24,580 --> 03:55:29,040
Like, maybe I'm, maybe I'm crazy, but, whatever.

3179
03:55:29,420 --> 03:55:30,400
All right, thank you all.

3180
03:55:30,680 --> 03:55:31,240
Thank you.

3181
03:55:31,380 --> 03:55:31,800
God bless.

3182
03:55:31,880 --> 03:55:32,180
All right.

3183
03:55:33,560 --> 03:55:34,180
Hello.

3184
03:55:34,180 --> 03:55:34,700
Mr. Kyle.

3185
03:55:42,980 --> 03:55:43,600
Kyle.

3186
03:55:44,160 --> 03:55:44,620
Kyle.

3187
03:55:45,880 --> 03:55:46,640
Very piles.

3188
03:55:47,820 --> 03:55:48,000
Hello.

3189
03:55:51,000 --> 03:55:52,780
I'm going to dress the board.

3190
03:55:52,960 --> 03:55:53,260
Good.

3191
03:55:53,480 --> 03:55:53,920
Thank you.

3192
03:55:54,000 --> 03:55:54,640
As Bob.

3193
03:55:55,880 --> 03:55:56,060
Yeah.

3194
03:55:56,640 --> 03:55:58,800
So when I say Bob, I'm addressing the whole board.

3195
03:56:00,140 --> 03:56:01,420
So let me look back.

3196
03:56:03,100 --> 03:56:04,420
So my main issue.

3197
03:56:05,600 --> 03:56:06,840
Well, top.

3198
03:56:07,720 --> 03:56:08,340
Top.

3199
03:56:08,340 --> 03:56:15,620
thing is, I do not agree to this zoning change or the permit.

3200
03:56:16,760 --> 03:56:23,880
Main issue is the attorney indicated that this is primarily from mosque, right?

3201
03:56:24,260 --> 03:56:24,820
This facility.

3202
03:56:26,140 --> 03:56:32,520
So, the board cannot approve a commercial permit for a mosque.

3203
03:56:34,940 --> 03:56:36,060
Number one,

3204
03:56:41,090 --> 03:56:45,810
and he did say that the architect did say that there is a commercial aspect

3205
03:56:45,810 --> 03:56:47,950
to it, but it's minor, correct?

3206
03:56:48,870 --> 03:56:49,450
That deal.

3207
03:56:49,590 --> 03:56:50,650
It doesn't square feet.

3208
03:56:51,010 --> 03:56:51,250
Right.

3209
03:56:51,370 --> 03:56:56,230
Still, you can't approve it as a board, because it's mostly a mosque.

3210
03:56:57,610 --> 03:57:05,450
Second issue, there are many questions to their site plan if it was a site plan.

3211
03:57:05,930 --> 03:57:09,330
Has the engineering department approve that site plan?

3212
03:57:09,710 --> 03:57:12,950
That's just a conceptual act right now.

3213
03:57:13,190 --> 03:57:14,910
No one has approved this to this point.

3214
03:57:15,190 --> 03:57:16,510
They're not held to that.

3215
03:57:17,670 --> 03:57:17,990
Okay.

3216
03:57:18,430 --> 03:57:20,550
I'm an engineer, work for an engineering company.

3217
03:57:21,290 --> 03:57:23,890
We submitted a site plan in Creek County.

3218
03:57:23,890 --> 03:57:31,350
And it had to be, it had to address a lot of issues, all the exclusions, and I don't know,

3219
03:57:31,890 --> 03:57:37,450
I don't know if that addresses every item to be approved.

3220
03:57:38,210 --> 03:57:43,650
So I would, as a board, disapprove it because of lack of detail.

3221
03:57:45,130 --> 03:57:49,290
Because there's a question about, there's many questions about the centric sewer.

3222
03:57:49,290 --> 03:57:58,290
All right, ODEQ requires a certain distance to from a leads field to the blue stream.

3223
03:57:58,910 --> 03:58:05,190
If that's a blue stream, you can't do it, you've got to be set to make a certain distance.

3224
03:58:06,370 --> 03:58:09,510
So with these two items, I would disapprove as the board.

3225
03:58:10,110 --> 03:58:14,930
I say you cannot approve this zone change or permit.

3226
03:58:17,820 --> 03:58:18,320
That's all right.

3227
03:58:18,420 --> 03:58:18,720
All right.

3228
03:58:18,860 --> 03:58:19,060
Thanks.

3229
03:58:19,060 --> 03:58:25,980
Let me go ahead and address that in the top, the zoning change request is for the whole area

3230
03:58:25,980 --> 03:58:27,220
you see right there at the area.

3231
03:58:30,260 --> 03:58:33,940
The conditional use permit is just for the mosque area itself.

3232
03:58:34,320 --> 03:58:40,980
So the retail up in the top, the strip center, the front, all of the street, that's separate.

3233
03:58:41,400 --> 03:58:46,020
That would be, it all will be CG if they got the approval for the zoning, but the permit

3234
03:58:46,020 --> 03:58:53,780
itself, the CEP would be only for the mascara itself. So it wouldn't be related at all to

3235
03:58:53,780 --> 03:58:57,340
the strip center if that makes sense.

3236
03:58:59,300 --> 03:59:05,800
Well, that's that's that's that's there it. Okay, folks, please. So we're not going to do that.

3237
03:59:06,280 --> 03:59:11,720
Okay, next. Next. Let me ask you a question if I have time left.

3238
03:59:11,720 --> 03:59:16,500
you don't you don't you don't I'm sorry that leads field you said that's not going to be the final location

3239
03:59:16,500 --> 03:59:21,300
There is no place to put that well that when they do their engineering they're going to find out

3240
03:59:21,300 --> 03:59:24,080
Is the project may not be a go then Barry, so that's we'll see

3241
03:59:25,420 --> 03:59:30,560
Right now right now. They're just asking for food laying brown laying brown

3242
03:59:37,350 --> 03:59:39,210
Good evening commission

3243
03:59:39,770 --> 03:59:41,410
You know, it is just like

3244
03:59:41,410 --> 03:59:47,470
Yeah, sorry, Lane Brown, it blows my mind that in the wake of two of our national

3245
03:59:47,470 --> 03:59:52,770
gardens that were brutally murdered in the streets of DC, that we're even talking about

3246
03:59:52,770 --> 03:59:57,850
this right now, that we're even, you know, having the discussion of possibly having

3247
03:59:57,850 --> 03:59:58,870
this in our community.

3248
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:29,980
Or the two U.S. service members and contractor that was ambushed by an Islamic Muslim and Syria, you guys are quite literally, if you approve this, you are inviting that kind of violence into your community, if you approve this, you're inviting that kind of violence into this community, like there's no other way to put it, if you're a public official and you approve this stuff, you're inviting Islamic terrorism into your community, they plant, they see, they wait, they wait 10 years.

3249
04:00:30,000 --> 04:00:36,340
I'm only 19, so my future kids, my grandkids, if you approve this, are going to have to grow

3250
04:00:36,340 --> 04:00:37,460
up in this area.

3251
04:00:38,800 --> 04:00:40,760
And what happens is, once you approve one, guess what?

3252
04:00:40,840 --> 04:00:43,300
They're going to go to another town and they're going to try to do the same thing.

3253
04:00:44,620 --> 04:00:47,420
And then when they get approved, they're going to bring violence there.

3254
04:00:47,920 --> 04:00:52,760
Many people have stated other reasons between infrastructure, et cetera, to not approve

3255
04:00:52,760 --> 04:00:53,320
this.

3256
04:00:53,540 --> 04:00:54,920
But I think it's a safe to you.

3257
04:00:54,920 --> 04:00:56,460
You guys have a school in Broken Arrow.

3258
04:00:56,560 --> 04:00:59,280
You guys have a school here, you guys have kids to worry about.

3259
04:00:59,280 --> 04:01:01,220
So, if you want the next, you know,

3260
04:01:01,360 --> 04:01:03,100
terrorist attack plot to happen,

3261
04:01:03,700 --> 04:01:06,200
then approve this, and then welcome back and say,

3262
04:01:06,360 --> 04:01:09,460
I told you so, and I'll be gladly to do that

3263
04:01:09,460 --> 04:01:10,540
and so that everyone else.

3264
04:01:10,900 --> 04:01:13,460
So, I just ask all of you guys, please, like,

3265
04:01:13,760 --> 04:01:14,780
look at what you're doing.

3266
04:01:15,040 --> 04:01:16,740
You're inviting violence if you approve this.

3267
04:01:16,820 --> 04:01:17,340
Thank you, guys.

3268
04:01:17,680 --> 04:01:18,100
Thank you.

3269
04:01:20,710 --> 04:01:22,470
Okay, Darrell, start well,

3270
04:01:24,540 --> 04:01:25,560
and please state your name.

3271
04:01:26,780 --> 04:01:27,140
Thank you.

3272
04:01:27,140 --> 04:01:27,160
Thank you.

3273
04:01:27,200 --> 04:01:30,000
My name is Darrell Sarkwell, I'm a third generation

3274
04:01:30,000 --> 04:01:35,180
broken air resident, I represent five generations as my children, living this town and my

3275
04:01:35,180 --> 04:01:41,140
grandchildren. Ten sons. A couple of things that concern me is I'm not sure we're getting

3276
04:01:41,140 --> 04:01:46,180
a fair depiction or picture from the architect earlier that made his presentation. As he

3277
04:01:46,180 --> 04:01:51,560
stated for traffic purposes, if we can have the aerial view, please, that there will be

3278
04:01:51,560 --> 04:01:58,660
a traffic issue maybe on Friday after news and during Ramadan. And then the member of the

3279
04:01:58,660 --> 04:02:03,700
It's like Mosque of Tulsa, who is spearheading this effort, pointed out that he attends

3280
04:02:03,700 --> 04:02:06,360
prayer twice a day, seven days a week.

3281
04:02:07,080 --> 04:02:11,200
That is a part of the picture of what we painted by the architect of what we're seeing directly

3282
04:02:11,880 --> 04:02:13,500
from a traffic standpoint.

3283
04:02:14,100 --> 04:02:19,480
Number two, from a environmental standpoint, I have developed property, residential, commercial

3284
04:02:19,480 --> 04:02:20,280
and retail.

3285
04:02:20,920 --> 04:02:24,200
You have a fresh water supply there to the rear of the property.

3286
04:02:24,200 --> 04:02:30,300
Putting a 50,000 gallon septic system is going to contaminate that water, that water.

3287
04:02:30,340 --> 04:02:35,260
And I've lost many permit battles trying to build property because I'm too close to fresh water supplies.

3288
04:02:35,720 --> 04:02:37,140
That will affect the community.

3289
04:02:37,920 --> 04:02:45,080
And to think that an Islamic center that is not going to affect property values of local residents,

3290
04:02:45,240 --> 04:02:48,520
including myself, I live in post proximity, is naive.

3291
04:02:48,880 --> 04:02:50,280
It will affect our property values.

3292
04:02:50,280 --> 04:02:56,100
And in fact, in your property values, does drive out citizens like myself that may not want to stay in this community.

3293
04:02:57,120 --> 04:03:01,900
One more question I want to ask you, you're not the zoning commission, you're the planning commission.

3294
04:03:02,360 --> 04:03:03,260
What are you planning for?

3295
04:03:03,560 --> 04:03:04,280
Thank you for your time.

3296
04:03:04,800 --> 04:03:04,900
Thank you.

3297
04:03:05,480 --> 04:03:06,380
Thank you.

3298
04:03:09,440 --> 04:03:09,660
Thank you.

3299
04:03:09,720 --> 04:03:10,120
So, wait.

3300
04:03:10,740 --> 04:03:14,020
Let me, let me ask, of course, I don't know if you can answer this or not.

3301
04:03:14,100 --> 04:03:17,440
I don't, because I don't know who's in it from engineering, but

3302
04:03:17,440 --> 04:03:21,480
traffic study. Do you want to address the traffic study when a traffic study is actually done?

3303
04:03:21,800 --> 04:03:24,440
When you require it, the city requires it.

3304
04:03:25,440 --> 04:03:31,240
Once we have a plan, more finalized plan, then it can be determined if one is needed.

3305
04:03:32,020 --> 04:03:40,260
So, it would be after the zoning and after the approval, if they got approval for the conditional use permit, correct?

3306
04:03:40,900 --> 04:03:43,120
It would be that sometime after that, not before.

3307
04:03:43,760 --> 04:03:44,320
Right.

3308
04:03:46,160 --> 04:03:46,220
Okay.

3309
04:03:46,220 --> 04:03:46,820
Wade Miller?

3310
04:03:51,120 --> 04:03:53,000
Then Eddie Grant and then Christine Gillespie.

3311
04:04:00,380 --> 04:04:01,520
My name is Wade Miller.

3312
04:04:02,880 --> 04:04:04,580
I am a resident of Broken Arrow.

3313
04:04:05,020 --> 04:04:07,820
I have lived here for 35 years.

3314
04:04:07,980 --> 04:04:09,840
I went to high school in Broken Arrow.

3315
04:04:10,940 --> 04:04:11,980
Love Broken Arrow.

3316
04:04:12,920 --> 04:04:14,660
It's a great place to live in the raise of family.

3317
04:04:15,360 --> 04:04:17,040
My father of three.

3318
04:04:17,940 --> 04:04:21,640
homeowner and grateful to address you this evening.

3319
04:04:23,300 --> 04:04:32,380
I do send a post to the rezoning requests and I would like to share why, first of all,

3320
04:04:32,700 --> 04:04:37,000
I'd just express my appreciation again to the Chairman and Commissioners.

3321
04:04:37,660 --> 04:04:45,360
As was stated earlier, decision this evening will affect not only the President, but generations to come, I agree.

3322
04:04:45,360 --> 04:04:50,740
And I particularly want to think about it from a safety perspective as a father.

3323
04:04:52,700 --> 04:04:59,580
I'm especially grateful for the large percentage of the muslim population that's peaceful.

3324
04:05:01,880 --> 04:05:08,500
But there is a percentage that is not in its fundamental, it's orthodox.

3325
04:05:08,500 --> 04:05:14,420
And so I think it clearly is a matter of public safety.

3326
04:05:15,200 --> 04:05:21,840
When conquest and subjugation of people is a core tenet of a religion.

3327
04:05:22,740 --> 04:05:26,680
My question for your consideration would be, what assurances could the zoning commission

3328
04:05:26,680 --> 04:05:33,540
give that this kind of ideology wouldn't develop over time in Broken Arrow?

3329
04:05:34,040 --> 04:05:34,760
What could you say?

3330
04:05:34,760 --> 04:05:38,880
I don't think that you could give adequate answer to that.

3331
04:05:39,180 --> 04:05:49,020
We could hope we could take on the advice to the people that are supporting it, that that wouldn't happen.

3332
04:05:50,340 --> 04:05:58,700
But that's not representative necessarily of the entire community that will ultimately inhabit the mosque and be there.

3333
04:05:59,220 --> 04:06:01,880
So I think the sample size is too small.

3334
04:06:02,940 --> 04:06:06,380
As a matter of personal experience, I have worked in Middle East.

3335
04:06:07,200 --> 04:06:11,160
I have experienced the call to prayer.

3336
04:06:11,640 --> 04:06:13,860
It was particularly loud.

3337
04:06:14,940 --> 04:06:16,180
And the frequency was often.

3338
04:06:16,400 --> 04:06:21,020
And so I would say that's quite disturbing, especially for people who live in the area.

3339
04:06:21,640 --> 04:06:23,020
Especially for the church.

3340
04:06:23,460 --> 04:06:25,820
Right next door, I can't believe what that would be like.

3341
04:06:27,560 --> 04:06:32,180
I have extended family that lives nearby within two miles.

3342
04:06:33,800 --> 04:06:35,700
I don't want that for them.

3343
04:06:39,840 --> 04:06:42,840
So, yeah, just a matter of personal experience, I would agree with what Nathan

3344
04:06:42,840 --> 04:06:48,720
Dom had said, and many of the others here this evening, the last thing is that elected

3345
04:06:48,720 --> 04:06:50,780
officials are ordained in the sense.

3346
04:06:52,040 --> 04:06:55,280
And I think charged before God for the protection of the citizenry.

3347
04:06:55,280 --> 04:07:04,800
So, I would important if please, I encourage to think about things these things carefully and the long-term effects.

3348
04:07:05,400 --> 04:07:05,820
Thank you.

3349
04:07:05,940 --> 04:07:06,220
Thank you.

3350
04:07:06,220 --> 04:07:06,360
Thank you.

3351
04:07:09,920 --> 04:07:10,880
Any grant?

3352
04:07:16,080 --> 04:07:16,600
Good evening.

3353
04:07:16,700 --> 04:07:17,640
Thank you councillors.

3354
04:07:18,240 --> 04:07:19,580
My name is Eddie Grant.

3355
04:07:21,340 --> 04:07:21,940
A couple things.

3356
04:07:22,040 --> 04:07:23,240
First of all, a suggestion.

3357
04:07:23,480 --> 04:07:26,880
I don't know if it's within your purview or not, or within your capabilities.

3358
04:07:26,880 --> 04:07:55,320
But maybe consider a dual zoning, rather than just going directly from AG to CG, maybe leave the AG as well, maybe dual AG and CG, given the amount of concerns and difficulties and lack of funding, maybe this won't go through, and the next guy might actually want to do something that is agricultural, and would have to come back and change it again.

3359
04:07:55,320 --> 04:07:58,800
So think about that as a suggestion for what you're planning.

3360
04:08:00,020 --> 04:08:04,320
Secondly, if you are going to change it over to commercial general,

3361
04:08:05,480 --> 04:08:08,820
it seems clear that there would be an impact.

3362
04:08:08,940 --> 04:08:14,180
If you pay seven acres and I recognize that's only conceptual plan.

3363
04:08:14,520 --> 04:08:19,120
But if you pay seven acres, it's going to have an impact on drainage and flooding.

3364
04:08:19,120 --> 04:08:26,240
And so, why would you go ahead and change it without actually having, maybe not the full

3365
04:08:26,240 --> 04:08:33,040
blood study, but at least some information with regard to the impact downstream, seven

3366
04:08:33,040 --> 04:08:35,120
acres of waters, got to go somewhere.

3367
04:08:35,740 --> 04:08:42,020
And if they're going to build a retention pond, I think I saw, can they build that in the

3368
04:08:42,020 --> 04:08:42,560
floodplain?

3369
04:08:42,740 --> 04:08:46,160
It seems like it wouldn't do any good in the floodplain because it's going to be raining

3370
04:08:46,160 --> 04:08:48,380
and probably going to be flooded already.

3371
04:08:48,380 --> 04:08:54,020
So, they're going to have to build it up there, perhaps in that 7 acres, which means they can't build what they want to build.

3372
04:08:55,320 --> 04:09:02,000
Can you put that septic tank in the floodplain? That seems odd, seems like it probably is not within regulations.

3373
04:09:02,900 --> 04:09:06,700
Again, I only heard about this yesterday, so I didn't have time to do a lot of research.

3374
04:09:07,260 --> 04:09:15,260
But if they have to move that up into that 7 acres that they're planning to use for parking, that's going to impact parking, you can't put parking over top of that.

3375
04:09:15,260 --> 04:09:18,420
It's not good engineering practice.

3376
04:09:19,860 --> 04:09:22,840
So, some considerations, I think, need to be made

3377
04:09:22,840 --> 04:09:24,600
for parking, flooding.

3378
04:09:25,900 --> 04:09:29,600
We talked about traffic studies, all in all,

3379
04:09:29,980 --> 04:09:33,160
give those some consideration with regard to this change,

3380
04:09:33,580 --> 04:09:36,300
because they've got to come in somewhere,

3381
04:09:36,780 --> 04:09:39,260
and for it to go directly to commercial,

3382
04:09:39,420 --> 04:09:43,520
whether it's a mosque or some other commercial property,

3383
04:09:43,520 --> 04:09:49,380
There's still going to be considerable amount of impact on traffic and flooding.

3384
04:09:50,160 --> 04:09:51,060
So thank you.

3385
04:09:51,260 --> 04:09:54,700
I see a lot of that stuff that you mentioned would come up later, and like I said,

3386
04:09:54,960 --> 04:09:58,760
and I mentioned that earlier today, but you're talking about the floodplain, now that the city

3387
04:09:58,760 --> 04:10:02,700
wouldn't let them build in the floodplain, but are you familiar with compensatory storage

3388
04:10:02,700 --> 04:10:03,200
too?

3389
04:10:03,540 --> 04:10:09,040
So that's actually where the fact that a little bit of floodplain actually exposes another area

3390
04:10:09,040 --> 04:10:13,900
to make it long to go out a little bit more for whatever their build or something like that.

3391
04:10:14,040 --> 04:10:15,320
There's different ways to do it.

3392
04:10:15,440 --> 04:10:18,220
But there's good impact that the conceptual plans that they had.

3393
04:10:18,720 --> 04:10:20,100
All right. Thank you. Thank you.

3394
04:10:20,380 --> 04:10:21,080
Miss Christie.

3395
04:10:23,820 --> 04:10:27,020
Did you have who was he?

3396
04:10:28,480 --> 04:10:29,500
Which women?

3397
04:10:30,660 --> 04:10:35,600
Oh, sorry. Yep, Michael. Sorry. Sorry.

3398
04:10:36,540 --> 04:10:37,660
Christie, we got Michael.

3399
04:10:37,660 --> 04:10:39,980
Sorry. Sorry, I didn't.

3400
04:10:44,390 --> 04:10:48,250
My name is Michael Pesha. I'm a resident of Barrel. Actually,

3401
04:10:48,550 --> 04:10:53,490
a resident of a neighborhood down the road, a stone horse. So I actually drive that road

3402
04:10:53,490 --> 04:11:00,590
every single day. We do have a concern with, you know, of course there is traffic congestion,

3403
04:11:01,270 --> 04:11:08,950
especially around a rush hour. But also adding that kind of, you know, commercial property

3404
04:11:08,950 --> 04:11:13,770
who's going to, of course, increase the traffic congestion, which would cause you to have

3405
04:11:13,770 --> 04:11:22,850
to expand the road and hearing the rest of my fellow citizens' concerns about, I don't

3406
04:11:22,850 --> 04:11:29,790
think they would be willing to have their taxes spent to widen the road and just to accommodate

3407
04:11:29,790 --> 04:11:38,290
an infrastructure that there are a lot of people are against. And it's also adding that kind

3408
04:11:38,290 --> 04:11:44,490
You know, allowing that many people to come into basically my neighborhood, you know, it's going to

3409
04:11:44,490 --> 04:11:48,750
cause safety issues just because of the amount of people that are coming in.

3410
04:11:48,990 --> 04:11:51,770
I'm sure none of those people don't live in the area.

3411
04:11:51,910 --> 04:11:54,610
They're going to be coming from all over the place into that area.

3412
04:11:55,110 --> 04:11:59,970
So that's going to be people that we aren't familiar with that aren't in our neighborhoods.

3413
04:12:00,030 --> 04:12:02,150
So they're not going to have the concerns that we have.

3414
04:12:02,410 --> 04:12:07,710
So that will cause, you know, safety concerns, safety issues along with the traffic.

3415
04:12:07,710 --> 04:12:37,690
and also, you know, that would also drive down property values and, you know, and for those of us who have just recently purchased property there, because of the fact that the location and because of the fact that it's quieter, you know, there isn't nearly as much traffic as there is all over everywhere else, you know, those are one of the main concerns for wanting to live in that area, and then just to see all of the sudden people wanted to just build there and increase all that, you know, that's just a major concern.

3416
04:12:37,690 --> 04:12:42,490
and we have and so we definitely don't want it to be resumed for a commercial property.

3417
04:12:42,670 --> 04:12:49,390
We think it's better to be left as, you know, the way it is for an agricultural and so yeah,

3418
04:12:49,550 --> 04:12:54,450
so we definitely don't want to have to resell our house, you know, and move out because

3419
04:12:54,450 --> 04:12:59,510
property values are going down and because the safety from my children has gone down, you know,

3420
04:13:00,490 --> 04:13:07,330
and the quietness and the sereness of the area, you know, has fled away. So that's our concern.

3421
04:13:07,330 --> 04:13:10,690
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Now, Mr.

3422
04:13:14,810 --> 04:13:15,250
Lispy.

3423
04:13:15,270 --> 04:13:20,290
Christy Lispy. Yeah, I'll thank you so much. I mean, I don't know if everyone knows, but

3424
04:13:20,290 --> 04:13:25,230
these are volunteers that thank you for your service because it's not easy. So I'm going to

3425
04:13:25,230 --> 04:13:30,870
talk fast. My purpose tonight is to speak on verifiable facts regarding a comprehensive plan

3426
04:13:30,870 --> 04:13:36,250
and economic development repercussions this proposed development will bring. When I began

3427
04:13:36,250 --> 04:13:41,930
my run for City Council in 2018 Southbrookanera was predestined and I'm very proud of the work

3428
04:13:41,930 --> 04:13:47,010
that we did during my six years as City Council to revitalize Southbrookanera. I currently

3429
04:13:47,010 --> 04:13:51,270
serve as your state senator over most ofbrookanera and when the committees I serve on

3430
04:13:51,270 --> 04:13:56,330
as economic development workforce and tourism. I recently conducted an interim study on the

3431
04:13:56,330 --> 04:14:02,310
stabilization of municipal funding. As you know cities depend on sales tax to provide

3432
04:14:02,310 --> 04:14:07,370
public safety services, sewer, you know, stormwater, all the, all the things, all the road

3433
04:14:07,370 --> 04:14:13,130
cut up heat. Everything we depend on a broken arrow to have quality of life depends

3434
04:14:13,130 --> 04:14:18,830
on sales tax. So in 2019 in Southbrook and Arizona didn't look like it does today and I mentioned

3435
04:14:18,830 --> 04:14:22,990
that because that's when the conference of plan, which actually my name is on, I signed the conference

3436
04:14:22,990 --> 04:14:28,950
of plan and it doesn't, brook and Arizona didn't look like it does today and the innovation

3437
04:14:28,950 --> 04:14:34,250
district was a plan that is literally right across the highway and so many things weren't

3438
04:14:34,250 --> 04:14:39,850
planned and whenever we sign that conference of plan and so I really believe that the

3439
04:14:39,850 --> 04:14:47,790
conference of plan already needs updating just in the in the years since 2019 so and

3440
04:14:47,790 --> 04:14:54,930
also I want to remind you staff recommendation does not mean you have to vote yes and I

3441
04:14:54,930 --> 04:14:59,290
say that I love our broken or staff, y'all are in the best. You're the best in the whole state of Oklahoma.

3442
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:10,300
But if we were required to, yes, vote, then we wouldn't need you. Okay. So, I'm asking for your no vote for the development on this development for these reasons.

3443
04:15:11,140 --> 04:15:14,440
The development requires a special use permit as a place of assembly.

3444
04:15:16,340 --> 04:15:25,840
This development, about the property to the south, which is also a place of assembly and the cross of street, is another place of assembly. This would be three places of assembly within a quarter mile of each other,

3445
04:15:25,840 --> 04:15:31,780
not of which place sells tax. Throwing in a measly 20,000 square foot strip center doesn't begin to

3446
04:15:31,780 --> 04:15:37,200
offset sales tax loss for this development. And honestly, the applicant, I mean, they actually

3447
04:15:37,200 --> 04:15:43,000
like they didn't even want to do it, and it wasn't even their idea. So, and didn't the whole thing

3448
04:15:43,000 --> 04:15:48,840
with the no plan for a city sewer. They talked about putting us fence around it. It sounds like

3449
04:15:48,840 --> 04:15:56,280
like a self-sustaining entity within the middle of our city and broken air has a precedent

3450
04:15:56,280 --> 04:16:00,300
of not the previous places of a similarly within close proximity to each other.

3451
04:16:00,700 --> 04:16:05,900
And I already passed this out and what I passed out to you, it shows that the conference

3452
04:16:05,900 --> 04:16:10,620
of playing calls for a front-age road between aspirin and olive on but the north and the south

3453
04:16:10,620 --> 04:16:11,940
side of the creek turnpike.

3454
04:16:12,640 --> 04:16:16,680
So saying that, I'm going to ask for extra time because I'm not a good fast-tarker.

3455
04:16:16,680 --> 04:16:30,400
But saying that this does not comply, obviously, with the conference of plan, because we are not allowing space for the frontage road to develop along the creek turnpike.

3456
04:16:30,400 --> 04:16:34,820
The olive exit is the first gateway in Tor City.

3457
04:16:35,660 --> 04:16:39,440
So when we exit, it was the first thing on the Creek Turnpike going into our city.

3458
04:16:39,800 --> 04:16:43,440
So not only do we need a frontage road connecting Asp and Olive,

3459
04:16:43,940 --> 04:16:47,580
but we need commercial along this frontage road to be viewed from the highway

3460
04:16:47,580 --> 04:16:48,860
and provide sales tax.

3461
04:16:49,300 --> 04:16:52,420
If this development is allowed to proceed, not only does it go against our conference

3462
04:16:52,420 --> 04:16:55,200
of plan by blocking a frontage road, it also limits connectivity

3463
04:16:55,200 --> 04:16:58,140
to olive by future developments to the east.

3464
04:16:58,140 --> 04:17:04,400
Those developments would likely be limited to only two song entrances, which is a 21st.

3465
04:17:04,660 --> 04:17:08,340
My goal is to ensure we have common sense economic development plan for my district.

3466
04:17:08,660 --> 04:17:11,660
This development does not comply with the conference of plan.

3467
04:17:11,960 --> 04:17:16,680
Nor does it make business sense for the inevitable growth between Aspen to all of.

3468
04:17:17,020 --> 04:17:20,960
It's for these reasons that you have no choice, but to vote now.

3469
04:17:22,080 --> 04:17:24,140
Thank you, Merry Christmas and...

3470
04:17:30,270 --> 04:17:30,670
All

3471
04:17:34,410 --> 04:17:36,950
right, so that's all we had to sign up to speak.

3472
04:17:37,770 --> 04:17:37,870
Fine.

3473
04:17:38,230 --> 04:17:39,170
The applicant gets his responsibility.

3474
04:17:39,510 --> 04:17:40,250
Okay, right.

3475
04:17:41,050 --> 04:17:43,290
So the applicant, you have anything you wish to address.

3476
04:17:43,490 --> 04:17:45,570
I know I have some items listed to each.

3477
04:17:46,850 --> 04:17:49,750
Seven of you talked about earlier, but I'll bring them up again.

3478
04:17:54,100 --> 04:17:55,800
Number one, somebody asked about the basement.

3479
04:17:55,840 --> 04:17:56,600
I got to find out.

3480
04:17:56,660 --> 04:17:58,300
Do you, are you going to put a basement in?

3481
04:17:58,480 --> 04:17:58,660
No.

3482
04:18:00,980 --> 04:18:06,000
So various items came up and you probably heard from some of you did talking about noise levels,

3483
04:18:06,380 --> 04:18:13,840
the wetlands, the flood, the runoff, on-site storage, your sewer system, that's been a big one.

3484
04:18:15,280 --> 04:18:20,760
They traffic at 1 o'clock, how long I think somebody was asking, okay, you're saying 1 o'clock,

3485
04:18:20,900 --> 04:18:23,880
how long is that lasted at 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock, or what is that?

3486
04:18:23,960 --> 04:18:25,420
So maybe that'd be the first one to go to.

3487
04:18:25,420 --> 04:18:35,100
Yeah. So the current sessions at Islamic Society of Tulsa, we have to hold two sessions

3488
04:18:35,100 --> 04:18:40,760
to accommodate everybody. Okay. And these are repeat sessions just because we cannot accommodate

3489
04:18:40,760 --> 04:18:46,140
everybody in one go. So that's why we're doing it one at one o'clock and one at two o'clock.

3490
04:18:46,660 --> 04:18:52,460
Okay. And the session, the sermon lasts for 20 minutes and then follows by a five minute prayer.

3491
04:18:52,460 --> 04:18:54,020
and then everybody disperses.

3492
04:18:54,220 --> 04:18:57,540
So the whole thing is about 30 minutes on a Friday.

3493
04:18:57,780 --> 04:19:00,100
So it gives them time to leave and other people to show up.

3494
04:19:00,260 --> 04:19:02,240
That's if there's two.

3495
04:19:02,940 --> 04:19:02,960
Okay.

3496
04:19:02,960 --> 04:19:05,900
But once we have two different places

3497
04:19:05,900 --> 04:19:11,020
that we don't anticipate to have two prayer sessions to happen.

3498
04:19:11,340 --> 04:19:14,460
So both of them at Tulsa and Broken Arrow

3499
04:19:14,460 --> 04:19:15,940
will be at one o'clock each.

3500
04:19:18,580 --> 04:19:21,680
And then somebody raised the point about me

3501
04:19:21,680 --> 04:19:29,880
bringing the point of, I attending two prayers today, there's actually five prayers a day happening

3502
04:19:29,880 --> 04:19:37,980
at the mosque, five prayers and the number of attendees who take it seriously and pray to God

3503
04:19:37,980 --> 04:19:44,620
over there five times a day, you will, you can count on your fingers every single day.

3504
04:19:45,040 --> 04:19:51,460
And what I try to do is just going for those two times for my own sake, not for anybody

3505
04:19:51,460 --> 04:19:57,780
else? OK, no, no planned? No take over plan or anything? Just for my own soul that I pray

3506
04:19:57,780 --> 04:20:04,280
and I'd go for two times a day and those are the times I see about 50 to 60 people at most

3507
04:20:04,280 --> 04:20:08,800
coming to prayer. Folks, this gentleman...

3508
04:20:08,800 --> 04:20:15,740
No, no, this is not a gathering. You were speaking. Yeah. So, yeah, where's the second mosque?

3509
04:20:15,740 --> 04:20:17,860
need coming from, that's the...

3510
04:20:17,860 --> 04:20:19,780
Hold on, just a second. Can you stop, Clarke?

3511
04:20:21,020 --> 04:20:28,440
Folks, he sat here quietly, listening to you out of respect for him as a human being, you need to do the same.

3512
04:20:29,080 --> 04:20:33,740
And another outburst, I'm going to ask the officer to escort you off the property.

3513
04:20:35,120 --> 04:20:35,840
Thank you.

3514
04:20:36,660 --> 04:20:43,940
So yes, there's larger assembly times on Friday and in Ramadan, I'm not, you know, going to hide anything from you.

3515
04:20:43,940 --> 04:20:51,380
Ramadan is a month of prayer for worship, for fasting, and we go through a lot of people visiting

3516
04:20:51,380 --> 04:20:59,220
the mosque for prayers, and so we need that space. And we need that space in Ramadan and on Friday.

3517
04:20:59,440 --> 04:21:08,480
And that's what our usage is. On an everyday basis, you will not find any traffic issues or anything like that.

3518
04:21:08,480 --> 04:21:22,440
But on Friday, yes, we'll put an officer what we do at the Islamic Society of Tulsa is we hire police officers and we control traffic through that and you know, that has worked out for us successfully.

3519
04:21:22,800 --> 04:21:24,680
That is on site, right, on site.

3520
04:21:24,760 --> 04:21:24,980
On site.

3521
04:21:24,980 --> 04:21:25,280
On traffic.

3522
04:21:27,000 --> 04:21:31,540
We pay for our own police officers to come and help us with the traffic.

3523
04:21:31,860 --> 04:21:31,880
Yes.

3524
04:21:32,220 --> 04:21:33,420
On site and exiting.

3525
04:21:34,400 --> 04:21:37,000
So it does not violate anything else.

3526
04:21:37,000 --> 04:21:39,000
That's all right, they are so okay.

3527
04:21:40,340 --> 04:21:40,780
Yeah.

3528
04:21:40,780 --> 04:21:46,740
Yeah, we, we, to address the noise again, I did in the beginning.

3529
04:21:47,880 --> 04:21:56,400
But the mosque at Irvington Street, I believe it is, has been there since the early 90s.

3530
04:21:56,820 --> 04:22:04,180
And anyone that's gone over there to look at it can verify that there's not loudspeaker systems.

3531
04:22:04,180 --> 04:22:14,380
there's nothing that broadcast, excuse me, that broadcast prayer times for the, for the, for the patrons of the mosque.

3532
04:22:14,600 --> 04:22:20,560
But I think what they're asking is how would they get assurance that it's not going to happen in two years, three years, or what?

3533
04:22:20,780 --> 04:22:28,620
Well, it hasn't happened here in 30, some odd years, so I'm not sure why they'd start doing it now.

3534
04:22:28,620 --> 04:22:34,100
I understand each one's based on its own merit, right?

3535
04:22:34,480 --> 04:22:36,300
Yeah, so that well, of course.

3536
04:22:37,500 --> 04:22:42,480
And there's, you know, I've done work with probably a dozen

3537
04:22:42,480 --> 04:22:47,160
mosques in the North Texas area and none of them do that.

3538
04:22:47,480 --> 04:22:53,500
So there's not a kind of a continuing precedent for that to happen here.

3539
04:22:53,500 --> 04:23:03,420
So, if this was to be approved, Graham, under the conditional use permit, we could stipulate

3540
04:23:03,420 --> 04:23:07,600
that there's not allowed to be any loud speakers or broadcast could we not?

3541
04:23:07,600 --> 04:23:08,360
That is correct.

3542
04:23:08,700 --> 04:23:11,620
But we also have our doors ordinance that we can enforce on top of that too.

3543
04:23:11,780 --> 04:23:13,060
And we'd be okay with that.

3544
04:23:13,320 --> 04:23:14,420
And seeing that's what I mentioned earlier.

3545
04:23:14,640 --> 04:23:19,420
We are recommending body to the city council, so the city council could adopt that development standard

3546
04:23:19,420 --> 04:23:22,540
that if we sent it to and that's what we think they ought to do.

3547
04:23:22,540 --> 04:23:31,000
I'm not sure how to worry yet, but as far as drainage goes, you know, no engineering has been done yet on the side.

3548
04:23:31,480 --> 04:23:35,140
You said it several times, but I continued to hear that it's a problem.

3549
04:23:35,980 --> 04:23:43,660
It's not a problem. We have an additional six or seven acres back there that are not in the floodplain.

3550
04:23:43,840 --> 04:23:47,320
I think five of them are not in the floodplain that we can do.

3551
04:23:47,320 --> 04:23:52,120
but is it a possibility that this could actually be reduced maybe two half the size not the

3552
04:23:52,120 --> 04:23:56,840
bill itself but maybe the parking in other words you find out when you actually get in there

3553
04:23:56,840 --> 04:24:01,220
do the engineering find out hey we don't have the room for the septic we don't have room for the

3554
04:24:01,220 --> 04:24:06,520
onsite storage unless we reduce the parking you know you're probably not going to park it for the

3555
04:24:06,520 --> 04:24:11,300
parking garage you might I don't know but would you reduce the amount of parking and have a smaller

3556
04:24:11,300 --> 04:24:17,420
ask is that what would happen. I mean it's possible, you know, once we do the engineering

3557
04:24:17,420 --> 04:24:23,380
it'll tell us what we need to do. We're not moving to certain sides, right? But again,

3558
04:24:23,620 --> 04:24:31,880
we have, you know, five or so acres behind the floodplain that we have to do septically

3559
04:24:31,880 --> 04:24:40,780
trails and things like that, it's not developed. So that's all area that will be permeable

3560
04:24:40,780 --> 04:24:57,620
You know, it will drainage will actually go into the earth there and so, you know, there's, there, there shouldn't be an issue with drainage, we'll, we'll design it such that it's not, I mean Tulsa has a drainage ordinance and we have to follow that over and so.

3561
04:24:57,940 --> 04:25:10,400
Now, were you approached about the, the front of the road itself that runs parallel the creek turn by, from what I remember hearing and I could be wrong was that probably nobody's going to put the bridge in there and so the front of the road would probably not go through.

3562
04:25:10,400 --> 04:25:18,180
But I don't know, there's another piece of property on between this property and the free

3563
04:25:18,180 --> 04:25:18,300
one.

3564
04:25:19,400 --> 04:25:23,500
Yeah, the only place that we touch, the right away is on that back.

3565
04:25:23,800 --> 04:25:25,040
Yeah, it cuts that corner right there.

3566
04:25:26,860 --> 04:25:33,120
So, no, but no, nobody's talked to me about the potential for a service road right there again.

3567
04:25:33,120 --> 04:25:35,260
And I could always happen later on, I guess, right?

3568
04:25:35,800 --> 04:25:39,700
But they would need to provide, but they would need to provide the right away.

3569
04:25:40,820 --> 04:25:44,060
The way the other properties are providing right away when they are planning.

3570
04:25:44,340 --> 04:25:47,660
Well, our right away would just be that back corner.

3571
04:25:47,840 --> 04:25:48,600
That's okay.

3572
04:25:48,920 --> 04:25:51,000
Which we gladly, you know.

3573
04:25:51,000 --> 04:25:51,340
That's right.

3574
04:25:51,340 --> 04:25:51,720
That's right.

3575
04:25:51,720 --> 04:25:53,660
If we need it.

3576
04:25:53,660 --> 04:25:54,740
So when we go through this,

3577
04:25:54,740 --> 04:25:56,520
if this is approved and it goes through the planning process,

3578
04:25:56,760 --> 04:25:58,280
we'll ask them to donate the right away.

3579
04:25:58,380 --> 04:25:58,640
Okay.

3580
04:25:59,880 --> 04:26:01,820
I think that would be a given.

3581
04:26:02,120 --> 04:26:02,400
Okay.

3582
04:26:02,940 --> 04:26:05,000
So I was just curious if you were approached by that.

3583
04:26:05,000 --> 04:26:09,520
There's actually a sign easement back there, I believe.

3584
04:26:10,200 --> 04:26:17,600
Yeah, there's a vertical billboard sign that there's an easement for right now that might have to be relocated.

3585
04:26:22,800 --> 04:26:33,140
Before I ask you a question, I wanted to, it was something I was saying during the many speakers that we had that I wanted to get Mr. Parker's insights on.

3586
04:26:33,140 --> 04:26:38,720
something that was said that I wasn't really sure about, but churches cannot rent property.

3587
04:26:40,420 --> 04:26:45,360
They do it all the time. Okay. We have a church right in New Orleans Square that rents commercial property.

3588
04:26:46,180 --> 04:26:46,740
Okay. I thought it could.

3589
04:26:47,900 --> 04:26:49,980
Oh, the church is renting a property.

3590
04:26:50,680 --> 04:26:51,700
That's what I just said.

3591
04:26:51,980 --> 04:26:52,680
They don't own the property.

3592
04:26:53,140 --> 04:26:55,140
They can, they can own it and they can rent too though.

3593
04:26:55,520 --> 04:26:56,720
So there's no prohibition on that.

3594
04:26:58,540 --> 04:26:59,620
So they can lease that out.

3595
04:27:00,600 --> 04:27:00,840
Okay.

3596
04:27:00,840 --> 04:27:08,180
And can you say anything about the foreign countries and land ownership piece?

3597
04:27:08,600 --> 04:27:12,380
It was mentioned a few times, but I wanted to make sure that credit is not a foreign entity.

3598
04:27:12,560 --> 04:27:13,500
They're based out of Illinois.

3599
04:27:14,720 --> 04:27:15,060
So, OK.

3600
04:27:19,090 --> 04:27:19,950
It was also mentioned.

3601
04:27:20,070 --> 04:27:22,130
I know we weren't talking so much commercial tonight.

3602
04:27:23,830 --> 04:27:25,050
But the quite, it was actually,

3603
04:27:25,390 --> 04:27:33,590
who would be enforcing and regulating the rental side of this.

3604
04:27:33,590 --> 04:27:35,730
Once that commercial does kind of get going.

3605
04:27:36,990 --> 04:27:37,670
I don't know.

3606
04:27:37,730 --> 04:27:42,830
I don't know if that would be the mosque board itself.

3607
04:27:43,050 --> 04:27:48,410
They do have a board, a governance board for the mosque if they would be in charge of that.

3608
04:27:48,410 --> 04:27:53,970
Or if it would actually be a member of the mosque would take that by the property and ran it.

3609
04:27:54,270 --> 04:27:58,130
I mean, it's not been decided at this point.

3610
04:28:00,090 --> 04:28:04,310
And lastly, I normally ask this, I don't think I've ever

3611
04:28:04,310 --> 04:28:07,810
ever asked it to assume the place of worship before.

3612
04:28:08,090 --> 04:28:11,310
Normally it's too residential developers or too

3613
04:28:11,310 --> 04:28:13,810
more entrepreneurial project expert.

3614
04:28:13,810 --> 04:28:15,110
I wanted to ask you especially.

3615
04:28:15,930 --> 04:28:20,350
I know you all have had this land for quite some time now.

3616
04:28:20,910 --> 04:28:23,290
And I always like to ask about what community engagement

3617
04:28:23,290 --> 04:28:27,350
may have looked like either recently or once upon a time.

3618
04:28:28,410 --> 04:28:38,270
So I kind of wanted to hear why this was in desirable place to proceed with this vision and this project.

3619
04:28:39,770 --> 04:28:50,230
And if you ever prior to tonight felt this perhaps this unwelcome before.

3620
04:28:51,530 --> 04:28:55,950
And how you sit with that or wrestle with that in your community might sit with that and wrestle with that.

3621
04:28:55,950 --> 04:29:04,070
And why do you still have the vision, the hope to be able to see in this particular community?

3622
04:29:06,510 --> 04:29:08,390
Thank you. Good questions.

3623
04:29:09,930 --> 04:29:17,250
Have I seen this kind of unwelcome at Mosspear, anywhere before?

3624
04:29:17,790 --> 04:29:24,390
Now this is my first rodeo, especially with representing this Islamic society.

3625
04:29:25,710 --> 04:29:36,830
I'm an engineer, I develop software, and I did not get involved in the mosque for quite some

3626
04:29:36,830 --> 04:29:37,170
time.

3627
04:29:37,190 --> 04:29:46,180
I was doing many stuff at the mosque, but now I have my kids, I have three boys, and so I'm

3628
04:29:46,180 --> 04:29:54,080
forward for to, you know, they're growing up and, and also, for a place of, you know, worship

3629
04:29:55,020 --> 04:29:59,960
and, and looking at how busy the Islamic Society of Tulsa is getting, and I live to-

3630
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:06,980
Ten minutes away from the Slam Society of Tulsa and Ten minutes away from this property. So this is I already the center of these two.

3631
04:30:08,520 --> 04:30:18,360
So that's why I didn't want. And so to answer your question, this is my first time attending something like this and it's not really feeling unwelcome.

3632
04:30:18,860 --> 04:30:29,880
A lot of people have valid concerns. If, you know, this happened in probably enough Afghanistan, people would not be behaving like, is there really nice people here who have been, you know,

3633
04:30:29,880 --> 04:30:31,100
just voicing their concern.

3634
04:30:31,320 --> 04:30:33,860
They're not up here attacking somebody, right?

3635
04:30:34,240 --> 04:30:37,360
So it's not really badly unwelcome or anything like that.

3636
04:30:38,000 --> 04:30:41,660
I was born and brought up in India, 22 years,

3637
04:30:42,220 --> 04:30:44,480
but I chose this country after I came here.

3638
04:30:45,540 --> 04:30:49,320
So out of my 45 years of life, 22, I've lived in the United

3639
04:30:49,320 --> 04:30:51,360
States as an adult man.

3640
04:30:52,860 --> 04:30:56,040
So adopting this country for myself, I feel proud.

3641
04:30:56,160 --> 04:30:58,980
And I feel like I've earned the citizenship here

3642
04:30:58,980 --> 04:31:01,200
unlike entitlement of work, right?

3643
04:31:01,380 --> 04:31:03,040
No, that's not what I went through.

3644
04:31:03,980 --> 04:31:09,340
So, having said that, I really respect everybody's opinion.

3645
04:31:10,080 --> 04:31:15,240
They have the right because this is a majority Christian country

3646
04:31:15,240 --> 04:31:21,100
and I can see the fear, but living here 25, almost 25 years,

3647
04:31:21,840 --> 04:31:26,040
I feel that I've contributed enough as a taxpayer,

3648
04:31:26,040 --> 04:31:35,720
as a contributor with, you know, in different terms of a life in, through Islamic society of Tulsa,

3649
04:31:36,440 --> 04:31:44,460
where we have regular food pantry, where we have a free clinic for the homeless people,

3650
04:31:44,780 --> 04:31:49,240
for the underserved people, and similarly with the food pantry.

3651
04:31:49,240 --> 04:31:56,140
And we go out, the previous boards, they have a lot of pictures that you can see that they

3652
04:31:56,140 --> 04:32:00,280
have went out to the downtown Tulsa and served a lot of homeless people.

3653
04:32:00,780 --> 04:32:05,440
So these are not, you know, one of the things that really hurt me today, hearing all of

3654
04:32:05,440 --> 04:32:11,600
these is they're all pretending and they're waiting for taking over all that.

3655
04:32:11,600 --> 04:32:18,240
Normal person does not do that, you know, we're on normal people and I have a lot of technically

3656
04:32:18,240 --> 04:32:24,760
skilled friends and families around me I hang out with none of us think like that and

3657
04:32:24,760 --> 04:32:28,960
just getting blamed for something like that. Yes, they're bad apples in every religion.

3658
04:32:30,720 --> 04:32:37,280
So categorizing everybody of a religion in the same way, it does not. That's the only part that

3659
04:32:37,280 --> 04:32:43,320
hurt otherwise. Yes, there's a lot of other concerns. Sound, sewer, traffic. These are really good

3660
04:32:43,320 --> 04:32:49,800
concerns, you know, sewer, architect, we got a very skilled architect. He will hopefully take care of it.

3661
04:32:49,960 --> 04:32:54,460
Traffic, yes, he's going to do a traffic study before making sure that a number of spaces,

3662
04:32:54,700 --> 04:32:59,800
we're not here to hurt broken error. We want to be serving broken error. We want to be part of

3663
04:32:59,800 --> 04:33:06,460
broken error. We want to be the fabric of broken error. Sound? Yes, I really agree that there should be an

3664
04:33:06,460 --> 04:33:11,300
ordinance. It should be some kind of strict enforcement on the sounds at sound thing. You know,

3665
04:33:11,300 --> 04:33:17,020
Today, we are all the people who are here in this generation, moderate people, moderate Muslims.

3666
04:33:17,580 --> 04:33:24,200
Yes, we can say, for sure, next 25 years will not have the sound issue in Broken Arrow.

3667
04:33:24,920 --> 04:33:27,160
But who knows who will come after us, right?

3668
04:33:27,600 --> 04:33:36,460
So it is up to the city of Broken Arrow, the government of Broken Arrow and forced that there is no such sound coming out of this place or any other place.

3669
04:33:36,520 --> 04:33:37,600
Thank you for the time.

3670
04:33:40,510 --> 04:33:46,430
May I ask how many members are in Broken Arrow that you're aware of just roughly?

3671
04:33:48,070 --> 04:33:56,290
I would say about 50% of the people who attend Islamic Society of Tulsa are from Broken Arrow.

3672
04:33:57,310 --> 04:33:59,950
And approximately how many would that be?

3673
04:34:00,190 --> 04:34:06,210
The first session that we do on Friday, we get approximately 1,000 people to attend.

3674
04:34:06,210 --> 04:34:18,510
second session is almost 1100 to 1200 people attending. So I would say a thousand people on a Friday. That's what we have seen from Broken Arrow.

3675
04:34:19,190 --> 04:34:24,110
Okay. So do you say growth is quite a bit then? So you're going to have both facilities open, right?

3676
04:34:24,950 --> 04:34:34,410
The recent growth when the United States government opened the doors for Afghani refugees, we got some families, right?

3677
04:34:34,410 --> 04:34:41,790
like 200 families here in Hintown, and the total family are, they actually moved into the Tulsa

3678
04:34:41,790 --> 04:34:49,570
area a lot. And so we have seen that and flux ourselves and that growth only was in Tulsa,

3679
04:34:49,630 --> 04:34:54,610
not in Broken Arrow. So do you all see yourself opening another facility in the future of five

3680
04:34:54,610 --> 04:35:00,630
years, or 10 years, or something, another area too? Not at this time, but you know we were expecting

3681
04:35:00,630 --> 04:35:07,770
this will serve for another 20 years, because it's not a society of Tulsa served us for 25

3682
04:35:07,770 --> 04:35:16,670
years so far, and the growth is not that much, and Tulsa broken arrow, small towns compared

3683
04:35:16,670 --> 04:35:22,070
to the big towns, right? So it's not going to happen that fast.

3684
04:35:23,470 --> 04:35:31,770
There are a number of them coming online in the North Texas area right now, so it's growing

3685
04:35:31,770 --> 04:35:37,590
at a much faster rate for that kind of community than Oklahoma is.

3686
04:35:40,930 --> 04:35:43,910
And I know there were one more statement.

3687
04:35:43,910 --> 04:35:51,470
I know there were a lot of people that were negative tonight, and I think a lot of that

3688
04:35:51,470 --> 04:35:58,210
here is things that happened around the country and around the world and you know I understand

3689
04:35:58,210 --> 04:35:58,750
that.

3690
04:35:59,030 --> 04:36:00,210
I'm not Islamic.

3691
04:36:00,730 --> 04:36:05,990
I hear the same things on Fox News and places like that.

3692
04:36:06,050 --> 04:36:11,970
But I think you asked about, do they feel, you know, does he feel attack tonight?

3693
04:36:12,150 --> 04:36:20,210
And I think your points will take and I think what will end up happening and what's happened

3694
04:36:20,210 --> 04:36:26,310
with about every situation I've been in like this and I've been in a few, not quite as many

3695
04:36:26,310 --> 04:36:33,810
people, but you know, very similar in what ends up happening is once the facilities built,

3696
04:36:34,610 --> 04:36:41,070
they see that those fears were largely unfounded and that these people become good neighbors

3697
04:36:41,070 --> 04:36:49,930
and good community members and that it's not a situation where there's, you know, you know,

3698
04:36:49,930 --> 04:36:53,110
a congregation of demons over there.

3699
04:36:53,470 --> 04:36:54,310
It's really not.

3700
04:36:54,710 --> 04:36:58,830
They're very, very, the ones, and I've been, you know,

3701
04:36:59,150 --> 04:37:01,870
I've worked for a lot of them, and they are,

3702
04:37:02,070 --> 04:37:05,210
they're very, very nice, sweet people.

3703
04:37:05,930 --> 04:37:12,550
And as Aslem said, they have a food bank in their facility,

3704
04:37:13,410 --> 04:37:16,330
they have, you know, a clinic in their facility,

3705
04:37:16,770 --> 04:37:18,570
and not all the people that go to those

3706
04:37:18,570 --> 04:37:20,150
or Islamic.

3707
04:37:20,330 --> 04:37:22,910
In fact, most of them are most of them are homeless people

3708
04:37:22,910 --> 04:37:27,130
from around the city that come and get food

3709
04:37:27,130 --> 04:37:29,610
and medical attention and their doctors

3710
04:37:29,610 --> 04:37:32,450
that go to the church volunteer their time

3711
04:37:32,450 --> 04:37:36,470
to give their medical expertise in the clinic.

3712
04:37:36,890 --> 04:37:38,890
And they're not the only ones that do that.

3713
04:37:38,890 --> 04:37:42,630
Most of the Islamic communities that I've worked for

3714
04:37:42,630 --> 04:37:43,670
do the same thing.

3715
04:37:44,010 --> 04:37:44,890
I appreciate it.

3716
04:37:44,890 --> 04:37:46,630
Okay, I guess we'll close the discussion on this.

3717
04:37:46,810 --> 04:37:47,510
Close the public hearing.

3718
04:37:47,510 --> 04:37:54,250
So nobody else could speak now except for us up here. So thanks appreciate it. So any discussions?

3719
04:37:54,770 --> 04:37:55,610
Yes. Okay.

3720
04:37:56,330 --> 04:37:58,650
Okay, so here's my soap box.

3721
04:37:58,870 --> 04:37:59,490
Oh, okay.

3722
04:37:59,850 --> 04:38:01,970
I mean, you're, you're, yeah, yeah, yeah.

3723
04:38:01,970 --> 04:38:04,970
Sorry, and I can't, I'm not talking real good.

3724
04:38:05,190 --> 04:38:07,390
We got the sexy voice going on here.

3725
04:38:09,230 --> 04:38:09,710
Okay.

3726
04:38:10,670 --> 04:38:16,830
So I was on the New Orleans Square committee and we had all the churches that were going in there.

3727
04:38:16,830 --> 04:38:25,570
Our main concern was the tax, yes, we've spent a lot of money across the

3728
04:38:25,570 --> 04:38:32,270
creek turnpike developing that section over there. We spent a lot of money

3729
04:38:32,270 --> 04:38:38,650
bringing in home depot, a mile down the road, and developing South Broken Arrow.

3730
04:38:40,230 --> 04:38:45,310
This will be two churches right back to back. And I was the first one that said,

3731
04:38:45,310 --> 04:38:51,990
I guess my mom's church, I didn't want them to go into New Orleans Square, because we

3732
04:38:51,990 --> 04:38:54,330
needed the tax money to make that area great,

3733
04:38:57,740 --> 04:39:00,480
and there was two churches that wanted

3734
04:39:00,480 --> 04:39:07,340
to look at that. And we waited, and now look what it is. That's crunch.

3735
04:39:12,720 --> 04:39:13,280
And that parking

3736
04:39:14,940 --> 04:39:20,880
I'm not looking at the religious part of this, that's a whole, that's way over this way.

3737
04:39:21,780 --> 04:39:29,660
I'm looking at what we are doing in South Broken Arrow, the use of the land, the use of the land.

3738
04:39:30,560 --> 04:39:38,420
I don't feel that when little strip of retail is enough that is not guaranteed, really.

3739
04:39:38,420 --> 04:39:42,460
It's down the road is going to be great for this area.

3740
04:39:44,580 --> 04:39:53,120
Yes, there's traffic concerns, but as we know, we build it and then the roads.

3741
04:39:53,640 --> 04:39:58,240
Yes, the tax dollars we have to have the tax dollars to build that road.

3742
04:39:59,140 --> 04:40:03,440
We have to have the tax dollars to bring in other people's development.

3743
04:40:04,600 --> 04:40:10,780
So I'm not okay with this because of the land use.

3744
04:40:14,850 --> 04:40:22,070
I mean, I'm okay with it becoming CG because that is what our comprehensive plan states for it to be in the future.

3745
04:40:23,750 --> 04:40:24,030
Commercial.

3746
04:40:24,370 --> 04:40:24,970
That's okay.

3747
04:40:25,750 --> 04:40:28,190
But I'm not sure of that.

3748
04:40:28,190 --> 04:40:29,310
That's all you permit.

3749
04:40:30,230 --> 04:40:30,750
That needs to be.

3750
04:40:31,610 --> 04:40:35,410
be $5,000 in that area of

3751
04:40:37,750 --> 04:40:37,750
people?

3752
04:40:38,170 --> 04:40:38,850
Any thought?

3753
04:40:39,110 --> 04:40:42,550
Well, I understand where you're coming from, but also I look at what the comprehensive plan

3754
04:40:42,550 --> 04:40:44,390
list and the comprehensive plan does.

3755
04:40:44,690 --> 04:40:50,070
Let's see, gee, and it also allows you to do the place assembly, whether it be.

3756
04:40:50,710 --> 04:40:51,050
Would you permit?

3757
04:40:51,550 --> 04:40:51,710
Would you permit?

3758
04:40:51,710 --> 04:40:58,990
Well, I said what the specifics permit, whether it's a moose lodge, a church, or a way.

3759
04:40:59,450 --> 04:41:00,290
It allows it.

3760
04:41:00,350 --> 04:41:01,250
It allows it.

3761
04:41:01,310 --> 04:41:01,550
Yeah.

3762
04:41:05,690 --> 04:41:11,650
I don't think that matters really be honest with you. I mean, I'm not sure. I don't I don't what the issue is

3763
04:41:12,090 --> 04:41:20,290
Are the text it's a concrete well while I wasn't really writing like that when a comprehensive plan was developed when we had all the public hearings on it well

3764
04:41:20,290 --> 04:41:27,750
I think it's it was set there for a reason. Yeah, so I don't Mr. Parker is there anything

3765
04:41:29,150 --> 04:41:34,290
Like there's issues with marijuana plants or stores being so many feet from each other.

3766
04:41:35,390 --> 04:41:37,370
Is there anything about places of assembly?

3767
04:41:37,590 --> 04:41:38,510
Absolutely not.

3768
04:41:42,040 --> 04:41:43,660
So anybody else?

3769
04:41:43,860 --> 04:41:45,080
Well let me just say this.

3770
04:41:45,420 --> 04:41:47,880
So just let you all somebody may not know this.

3771
04:41:47,920 --> 04:41:48,720
I mean you may know this.

3772
04:41:49,300 --> 04:41:50,660
But when we look at...

3773
04:41:50,660 --> 04:41:56,140
They're asking to go from AG agricultural to commercial general right.

3774
04:41:56,700 --> 04:41:58,480
So that allows them to put that retail.

3775
04:41:58,480 --> 04:42:00,640
So I don't know if y'all actually

3776
04:42:01,680 --> 04:42:05,040
Oh, I'm sorry. I faded away from it. I'm getting tired of sitting to be honest

3777
04:42:05,900 --> 04:42:09,160
So you're probably out there going because come on. Come on. But let me just leave

3778
04:42:09,760 --> 04:42:15,440
Reggie if they if the zoning was approved to go from AG to CG what kind of

3779
04:42:15,900 --> 04:42:22,140
Things could go in there. Did y'all look at that some of that don't let me just read just two of those that might go in

3780
04:42:22,140 --> 04:42:27,420
I usually have staff to read those on cut and how's they break all this though so some of the things that go in there

3781
04:42:27,420 --> 04:42:34,200
which proves CG is a recreation center, government administration facility, art gallery, library,

3782
04:42:35,020 --> 04:42:44,820
medical office, college, theater, trade school, bus terminal, towers, bar, nightclub, restaurant,

3783
04:42:45,900 --> 04:42:51,460
theater, hotel, motel, mini storage, alcoholic sales, marijuana sales.

3784
04:42:51,480 --> 04:42:53,540
So there's a lot of things that could go in the CG.

3785
04:42:54,060 --> 04:43:01,500
So if it was approved for CG and they did not get the permit for the for the mosque itself

3786
04:43:01,500 --> 04:43:07,220
for the place of assembly, so they could build their still some things that could go in there

3787
04:43:07,220 --> 04:43:10,040
other than just the mosque itself if the zoning was approved.

3788
04:43:10,940 --> 04:43:16,100
Now the things that some of the things that could list it with under the CG that they could

3789
04:43:16,100 --> 04:43:22,840
come back in asking for a conditional use permit would be place of assembly, child-day care

3790
04:43:22,840 --> 04:43:28,100
centers, Helipad, utility services, brewery, winery,

3791
04:43:28,420 --> 04:43:31,080
flea market, open flea market, entertainments,

3792
04:43:31,380 --> 04:43:33,500
so there's a lot of other stuff that can go in there.

3793
04:43:33,580 --> 04:43:36,060
A lot of that could cause extra, a bunch of traffic

3794
04:43:36,060 --> 04:43:36,600
your way to.

3795
04:43:36,600 --> 04:43:41,800
And in dispensary, that's to have a conditional use permit.

3796
04:43:42,000 --> 04:43:43,420
Yeah, I guess it dispensary too.

3797
04:43:44,180 --> 04:43:48,120
So the conditional use permit process exist.

3798
04:43:48,120 --> 04:43:56,480
And also, I understand at the flow of playing concerns I wanted to be addressed as well.

3799
04:43:57,020 --> 04:44:05,620
And I'm personally not so much bothered by the fact that there's another similar place of assembly.

3800
04:44:06,460 --> 04:44:07,380
I'm like, close in proximity.

3801
04:44:07,760 --> 04:44:15,840
That doesn't put a lot of agitation in me in the way that I look at this tonight.

3802
04:44:15,840 --> 04:44:31,720
And the way that I am looking at it tonight is that it does, you know, the comprehensive plan and it does fit with the CG and I'm just trying to look at the land use consistency of it.

3803
04:44:31,720 --> 04:44:39,940
And I say that publicly to say that I'm just not necessarily, I don't, I don't not agree

3804
04:44:39,940 --> 04:44:47,480
in with Ms. Mindy Payne on this one. For those, for those purposes as well. And I just

3805
04:44:47,480 --> 04:44:51,760
want to say that. But for me, it's not about no matter how everyone and all of the concerns

3806
04:44:51,760 --> 04:44:57,540
we've had, express quite well tonight. But the way that I'm looking at it, it's not about

3807
04:44:57,540 --> 04:44:58,380
just absorbing.

3808
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:00,860
All of

3809
04:45:04,030 --> 04:45:14,230
the opposition or energy that was very well, in some cases very well stated very passionately, and for sure respected.

3810
04:45:14,950 --> 04:45:24,170
But trying to look at this as far as land use consistency. And that would be the reason for it, the vote that I'll likely share in just a moment.

3811
04:45:24,610 --> 04:45:29,750
When, and when you think about, they've had the property, I think, for 14 years, 10 or 14 years.

3812
04:45:30,250 --> 04:45:33,470
There's been a lot of time that's gone by that they could have put in a lot of retail

3813
04:45:33,470 --> 04:45:35,870
and could have came in here for the reason and to go to CG.

3814
04:45:36,490 --> 04:45:37,590
But they didn't.

3815
04:45:38,170 --> 04:45:40,350
And so they finally come in here with something to do.

3816
04:45:40,950 --> 04:45:45,010
And there is a small amount of tax dollars with the C3 for that resume

3817
04:45:45,010 --> 04:45:49,130
or that retail strip right there that fronts all of street.

3818
04:45:49,130 --> 04:45:55,510
So that's all, it may be a while for you to see anything else, it's one coming in there.

3819
04:45:55,750 --> 04:45:57,470
I just, it was a kind of press with.

3820
04:45:57,570 --> 04:45:57,970
I understand.

3821
04:45:58,730 --> 04:46:02,130
For example, when we would get that.

3822
04:46:03,390 --> 04:46:03,870
I'm sorry.

3823
04:46:04,170 --> 04:46:04,910
No, I'm sorry.

3824
04:46:04,950 --> 04:46:05,070
I'm sorry.

3825
04:46:05,070 --> 04:46:09,590
That was my concern of, you know, other retail places.

3826
04:46:10,130 --> 04:46:11,090
I'm sorry.

3827
04:46:11,730 --> 04:46:12,570
I'm short.

3828
04:46:14,010 --> 04:46:14,630
Other retail.

3829
04:46:15,050 --> 04:46:15,790
I didn't fall.

3830
04:46:16,670 --> 04:46:17,870
Other retail places.

3831
04:46:17,870 --> 04:46:26,210
They're like, yes, we're going to do this and this and this and this and they're, but he wasn't real. He couldn't give us a. Oh, it's going to come down the line.

3832
04:46:27,770 --> 04:46:40,010
That can serve me. We've also seen many of those that have come before us that have been approved for his own change, only to come back a decade later for a different zoning change because nothing ever happens.

3833
04:46:40,250 --> 04:46:47,850
So I don't see this any different than the that situation and that's why I was asking earlier if you recall an amazing about five hours ago or whatever.

3834
04:46:47,850 --> 04:46:52,030
or was maybe three hours ago, is that what was the timeline on?

3835
04:46:52,090 --> 04:46:54,570
If they were the zoning, once the zoning's changed,

3836
04:46:54,870 --> 04:46:57,150
and they've played it, it's the zoning's changed.

3837
04:46:57,790 --> 04:47:00,130
But if they do the conditional use permit,

3838
04:47:00,450 --> 04:47:03,830
they have, from what I recall, they have two years to actually

3839
04:47:03,830 --> 04:47:05,790
have some activity going on out there,

3840
04:47:05,790 --> 04:47:08,090
showing that they've actually done some that they're heading

3841
04:47:08,090 --> 04:47:08,590
that way.

3842
04:47:09,190 --> 04:47:11,610
If it doesn't happen after two years of approval

3843
04:47:11,610 --> 04:47:14,450
from the approval through the council, I guess,

3844
04:47:15,470 --> 04:47:16,990
that permit expires.

3845
04:47:17,470 --> 04:47:18,590
Does that make sense?

3846
04:47:19,110 --> 04:47:21,790
And so it would be what it is today other than the zoning change.

3847
04:47:22,030 --> 04:47:24,270
And the things I read on the C.G.

3848
04:47:24,610 --> 04:47:26,910
That I read you all ago could all go in there.

3849
04:47:28,740 --> 04:47:31,200
I felt the comp plan supports the zoning.

3850
04:47:32,020 --> 04:47:32,900
Yeah, the comp plan.

3851
04:47:33,100 --> 04:47:36,560
If you read the comp plan, it lists, there's the table in there.

3852
04:47:36,780 --> 04:47:39,160
And you go to level six, which is what this is.

3853
04:47:39,500 --> 04:47:42,940
It lists the different land use that could be in there.

3854
04:47:43,060 --> 04:47:44,200
The C3.

3855
04:47:44,540 --> 04:47:46,760
It those are permitted and there's one that's allowed.

3856
04:47:46,760 --> 04:47:52,320
I think it's industrialized that's a loud, but you kind of have to come in here and bake for it, basically.

3857
04:47:53,540 --> 04:47:59,940
But the C3 is actually supported, CG is actually supported in the comprehensive plan.

3858
04:48:01,200 --> 04:48:05,540
Now, I agree with the discussion about the quit talking to people out in the audience.

3859
04:48:06,100 --> 04:48:08,420
Well, you want me to face the wall?

3860
04:48:08,540 --> 04:48:11,080
No, I mean, I'm just saying, yeah.

3861
04:48:11,680 --> 04:48:14,760
Well, but see, I've got a talk like this, so you both can hear me.

3862
04:48:14,760 --> 04:48:15,540
Oh, thank you.

3863
04:48:15,540 --> 04:48:16,800
Nice to meet you.

3864
04:48:16,840 --> 04:48:18,320
No, no, I lost my train of thought.

3865
04:48:18,540 --> 04:48:20,000
That was what you wanted, wasn't it?

3866
04:48:21,560 --> 04:48:22,840
Trust me, I want you to finish your time.

3867
04:48:24,460 --> 04:48:26,340
No, I was just, I could mention it when this guys

3868
04:48:26,340 --> 04:48:28,860
be said about the service road going in there,

3869
04:48:29,060 --> 04:48:30,780
the front edge road, but it was my understanding

3870
04:48:30,780 --> 04:48:31,860
that it probably wouldn't be built,

3871
04:48:31,980 --> 04:48:33,220
because no one's going to spend the money

3872
04:48:33,220 --> 04:48:34,420
to put the bridge in there.

3873
04:48:34,480 --> 04:48:35,980
But there's three minutes.

3874
04:48:36,760 --> 04:48:38,020
That still clips the property.

3875
04:48:38,480 --> 04:48:40,880
So that can be worked out with the city department.

3876
04:48:41,380 --> 04:48:41,440
Yeah.

3877
04:48:42,000 --> 04:48:42,680
They will do that.

3878
04:48:42,820 --> 04:48:42,980
Right.

3879
04:48:43,500 --> 04:48:46,280
So what we have here today would not hurt it.

3880
04:48:46,420 --> 04:48:48,040
No, they will have to.

3881
04:48:51,430 --> 04:48:55,710
And I know there was a lot of discussion about, you know, I don't know how to say this

3882
04:48:55,710 --> 04:48:59,190
right way, but emotional outcry about certain things.

3883
04:48:59,350 --> 04:49:01,530
I understand what you're coming from that.

3884
04:49:01,870 --> 04:49:06,190
But what you got to understand where we're coming from is what we're locked into on whether

3885
04:49:06,190 --> 04:49:13,250
to approve or disapprove, whether to approve or disapprove based on our principle guidance,

3886
04:49:13,250 --> 04:49:16,810
which is comprehensive plan, zoning ordinance, things like that.

3887
04:49:17,230 --> 04:49:22,250
We have to be able to stand by our decision based on what the cities adopted, that makes

3888
04:49:22,250 --> 04:49:22,750
sense.

3889
04:49:23,070 --> 04:49:29,030
In the confindments of the law, right, and it's kind of hard to say, you know, if we're not

3890
04:49:29,030 --> 04:49:33,110
for it based on, and we just don't like this or something like that, don't look good to

3891
04:49:33,110 --> 04:49:33,490
me.

3892
04:49:33,930 --> 04:49:37,630
I don't know if that's staying up in court, and I know you probably didn't want to say that.

3893
04:49:37,630 --> 04:49:43,590
But okay, so is there any other other discussions or comments?

3894
04:49:46,490 --> 04:49:59,330
Yeah, I would just like to share that with a lot of the comments that have been made if it was your religious organization trying to build a temple.

3895
04:50:00,630 --> 04:50:05,290
How would you feel if somebody was denying you your right that's established by the Constitution?

3896
04:50:06,830 --> 04:50:13,350
The other thing is you own, no, you cannot, because I've had an opportunity for to listen

3897
04:50:13,350 --> 04:50:19,450
everybody else. Now you get to listen to us. Now, and you may think that's rude, but I'm

3898
04:50:19,450 --> 04:50:24,430
not feeling well and it's late, so my apologies. The other thing is you have the right to do

3899
04:50:24,430 --> 04:50:29,470
what you want with your land as long as it meets the criteria established by the city and the government.

3900
04:50:29,470 --> 04:50:39,750
So this is part of the comprehensive plan does allow CG to be in there so Mr. Park, I do want to ask do we need to do separate recommendations

3901
04:50:41,610 --> 04:50:49,110
As Bob mentioned earlier or do we do this all is one it's either or and it's

3902
04:50:49,110 --> 04:50:55,630
We approve if we were to recommend if we're recommending body so if we were to recommend the city council approval

3903
04:50:56,130 --> 04:51:00,650
approval. I would think that we would want to do the zoning as one motion, let that go through.

3904
04:51:01,930 --> 04:51:08,770
And then the next motion would be related to the condition, use permit, but if the zoning got turned down,

3905
04:51:09,650 --> 04:51:13,810
then the car would be no reason to do this. But we still have the option to approve it, right?

3906
04:51:13,990 --> 04:51:17,230
Because he's asked for that if it's CG to still do that, right?

3907
04:51:17,970 --> 04:51:20,970
You can still do that. So we could still do this two separate moments.

3908
04:51:21,250 --> 04:51:22,470
And they were both on the agenda.

3909
04:51:22,470 --> 04:51:29,310
So that I would just think it'd be better instead of piggyback and then the council could go

3910
04:51:29,690 --> 04:51:37,350
Either way, whatever, whatever, whatever they can attack, do whatever they want to with each. Right, you know

3911
04:51:38,790 --> 04:51:43,650
Was there any other discussion? Well the only thing is if you if there is a motion for approval

3912
04:51:43,650 --> 04:51:47,730
I guess the one on the noise levels and I don't really know how we need to worry

3913
04:51:47,730 --> 04:51:52,110
I know with the city has the ordinance they changed it last Tuesday. I guess it was yes

3914
04:51:52,110 --> 04:52:00,150
It was changed last Tuesday 300 feet of a residential area 10 minutes in a enclosed house, so to speak.

3915
04:52:02,150 --> 04:52:07,570
But the city has its lowest ordinance, so you don't have to put something on there unless you want to.

3916
04:52:07,750 --> 04:52:14,570
Well, the only thing that you did put it on there, you better know exactly how to put it, I guess, because I'm not sure, but the zoning ordinance would cover it.

3917
04:52:14,590 --> 04:52:16,830
And the city council can always address that issue too.

3918
04:52:16,830 --> 04:52:38,070
Well, I'm just going to focus on the rezoning portion as to whether or not this could be moved to CG commercial general and I do make a motion to approve BAZ002469-2025 for the rezoning to commercial general.

3919
04:52:39,800 --> 04:52:45,020
I think most of them second for approval. It's a zoning. Have real call vote

3920
04:52:45,960 --> 04:52:52,160
Many pain. No Jonathan Townsend. Yes, Jaylee clump up. Yes, Jason Cohen. Yes

3921
04:52:52,160 --> 04:52:57,280
Yes, okay. Now that ago before the city council January 20th right here at 630

3922
04:52:57,820 --> 04:53:00,940
So then that leaves us with the conditional use permit

3923
04:53:01,840 --> 04:53:07,400
So any thoughts on that what you want to do with that and that's for the place of assembly

3924
04:53:09,800 --> 04:53:38,080
So, I would like to make a motion to approve the conditional use permit SP002526-2025 with a notation that there cannot be any broadcast or announcements on the exterior of the facility with the exceptions of those that are for security and fire alarms safety.

3925
04:53:38,080 --> 04:53:39,700
city life safety.

3926
04:53:41,740 --> 04:53:44,600
I'll second as well. Okay, and so for I had call for

3927
04:53:44,600 --> 04:53:47,920
roll call vote. So I guess if it's approved, then that would go to city council,

3928
04:53:48,180 --> 04:53:51,880
and they would clarify what you just asked for. I guess based on maybe

3929
04:53:51,880 --> 04:53:55,400
desks fools at a certain distance or anything like that, is that how that would work?

3930
04:53:55,640 --> 04:53:58,260
They can improve. They can buy or they can improve.

3931
04:54:02,220 --> 04:54:05,900
So we do have a motion second for approval. This specific use

3932
04:54:05,900 --> 04:54:07,820
Pervets have a real call vote.

3933
04:54:07,820 --> 04:54:08,840
Many pain?

3934
04:54:09,160 --> 04:54:09,340
No.

3935
04:54:09,680 --> 04:54:10,460
Jonathan Townsend?

3936
04:54:10,840 --> 04:54:10,980
Yes.

3937
04:54:11,160 --> 04:54:11,820
Jelly Clempa?

3938
04:54:12,080 --> 04:54:12,300
No.

3939
04:54:12,660 --> 04:54:13,280
Jason Cohen?

3940
04:54:13,680 --> 04:54:13,980
Yes.

3941
04:54:16,060 --> 04:54:17,560
So that would go before the city council.

3942
04:54:18,040 --> 04:54:19,340
January 20th at 6.30.

3943
04:54:19,500 --> 04:54:20,540
So you get to do this again.

3944
04:54:29,120 --> 04:54:29,740
Oh, yes.

3945
04:54:33,480 --> 04:54:35,420
Well, you're fine.

3946
04:54:35,460 --> 04:54:37,180
Give him a few minutes to clear out.

3947
04:54:37,240 --> 04:54:37,640
It's okay.

3948
04:54:37,800 --> 04:54:38,540
I don't have anything.

3949
04:54:38,740 --> 04:54:39,960
You can let him clear out.

3950
04:54:58,540 --> 04:55:01,320
Okay, we're not done with our meeting yet.

3951
04:55:11,000 --> 04:55:15,200
Okay, we'll give you our chance to go ahead and exit the room so we carry on with the meeting.

3952
04:55:45,100 --> 04:55:45,160
keep going.

3953
04:55:45,200 --> 04:55:56,200
All right, so I don't number seven appeals. We have done item number eight general commission business. We have done item number nine remarks

3954
04:55:59,280 --> 04:56:03,140
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, thank you everybody

3955
04:56:03,140 --> 04:56:08,920
Thanks for everybody that came out. Thank you staff. You are made. Thank you officers.

3956
04:56:11,540 --> 04:56:20,960
I just want to update you guys real quick that this week you're wrapped up our interviews for the downtown master plan study, and so we'll be making a recommendation.

3957
04:56:20,960 --> 04:56:23,140
Can you continue conversations outside please?

3958
04:56:23,380 --> 04:56:23,820
Yep.

3959
04:56:23,820 --> 04:56:25,140
Thank you.

3960
04:56:25,140 --> 04:56:31,180
We'll be making a recommendation for consultant on either January 6th or January 20th to the city council.

3961
04:56:32,380 --> 04:56:34,400
For the downtown master plan study.

3962
04:56:34,400 --> 04:56:35,360
oh go

3963
04:56:38,600 --> 04:56:42,360
yeah and they've already proved the members right yep little okay good the

3964
04:56:42,360 --> 04:56:48,920
body's already been proved the committee advisory committee yes yes yes yes all right

3965
04:56:48,920 --> 04:56:53,580
is that any anything else ready for motion oh make a motion to adjourn second

3966
04:56:53,580 --> 04:56:56,860
bye and most second have real call vote

3967
04:56:58,520 --> 04:57:07,940
many page yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

3968
04:57:10,780 --> 04:57:11,740
there we go