Wendy Paine here, Jonathan Townsend here, Julie Klempa here, Jason Cohen here, Robert Gordonson here.
First item we have is item 3 old business we have been item 4 consideration in consent agenda, is there any items that anybody worth to pull from the consent agenda?
I did not.
Move to approve the consent agenda.
Second.
Have most of you have roll call vote?
Mindy Paine. Yes Jonathan Townsend. Yes Julie Clempa. Yes Jason Cohen. Yes Robert Guards. Yes, now item four D26-89
That will go before the city council right here at 6.30 on January 20th
All right item number five items removed from the consent agenda. We have an item six public hearings
Before we get started with public hearings thought I would read your little statement here
I don't have this memorized so I'll read it to you
Good evening.
I'm going to go over the ground rules for the planning commission to tonight's public
hearings.
There are public hearings on land use.
These are public hearings on land use items.
The planning commission's rules to consider the request based on the CIS adopted comprehensive
plan and so any regulation and evidence and testimony present tonight are just says in
whether to recommend approval, denial, or conditions will be based on land use criteria,
such as compatibility of surrounding development, traffic, and access, parking, public safety,
stormwater in floodplain consideration, and you tell these buffering and screening, etc.
Convince that are unrelated to land use criteria are not relevant to the commission's
decision type and will not be considered.
Each speaker will have three minutes to talk.
Please state your name and address for the record before you begin.
Please direct your comments to the commission.
Don't talk to the audience.
Talk to us.
To keep the meeting fair and efficient, we ask that the speakers avoid repeating points because
You're going to start saying same thing over and over and over for what the previous speakers
had said.
So try to limit that on something new to us.
Thank you.
Well, now go ahead and start with the public hearing, so I guess we'll have the first item.
And that will be, I then 6A 25-1716, staff on the cover of that.
regarding COMP002532-2025, comprehensive plan change by Onetta 71 LLC for 8.8 acres from level 1,
rural residential greenway floodplain to level 4 commercial employment nodes located
approximately one-tenth mile north of the northwest corner of East Kenosha Street or 71st Street
and Onetto Road 240 verse East Avenue.
Let me find my spot.
The applicant is requesting this change
to the comprehensive plan
for the purpose of a commercial development.
Pending approval of this amendment
to the comprehensive plan,
the applicant intends to submit a rezoning request
to change the zoning to CG,
which is commercial general.
This request is congruent
with the three parcels to the south of this property,
which are already designated as level four commercial employment nodes within the comprehensive plan.
The project site would include four continuous parcels on the Northwest corner totalling 16.39 acres.
Amending the comprehensive plan to level four would support a future rezoning request to CG commercial general.
The anticipated CG commercial general is in conformance with level four in the comprehensive plan.
The surrounding properties contain the following uses along with the following development guide and zoning designations.
And to the north is a level one, which is currently a one agricultural, and it is used as a residential estate.
To the east is level four, which is currently agricultural a one.
It's also used as a residential estate to the south.
The Comprehensive Plan has slated level 4, which is currently A1 agricultural, which current land use is also agricultural.
To the west is level 1, which is currently A1, and there is a power substation at this location.
According to FEMA maps, the western portion of this property is located within the 100-year
floodplain zone AE, water and sanitary sewer are available from the city of Broken Arrow.
Based on the location of the property in Surrounding Land uses, staff does recommend COMP002532-2025
I'd be approved subject to the property being plotted.
Thanks for back up any questions, staff, discussion.
Is the applicant present?
Is that anything you wish to add?
Mr. Chairman, who Reynolds, 27, 27, he's 21st Street.
The purpose of this amendment we intend to put a grocery store here.
I know that about 18 months ago, before this board, there was an application to put
in the mini storage project here, but this is what our purpose is, and we're in agreement
staff and I'll try to answer any questions if you have them.
Sounds good.
Thank you.
Anybody else signed up to speak?
Thank you.
Yes.
We actually had to, well, they didn't sign up to speak, but we have two persons that signed up
that they are in opposition.
They asked not to speak, but two persons that are in opposition.
All right.
So anything else?
I'll close both of it.
and I guess we're ready for motion.
But did you sign up to speak, sir?
What's your name?
Is that on there?
Neither of them.
So this is that, and you signed up to speak?
Well, we got a whole bunch of speaks.
So that's up there.
So we got...
And you think you put six A on there?
No.
Two, five.
But this is the item that you were wanting to talk about.
So, did you sign up for our opposition or your report?
Okay, I'll tell you, we'll go ahead and give you three minutes.
Talk while we're looking for that.
So, yeah,
I mean, you got sign up to speak, but we'll just do it.
Go ahead and you have three minutes.
Station name and address the record, please.
May I give you guys a couple of these documents?
I apologize, may I?
I didn't even write a link to it, may I?
I'm supposed to give.
Now this is what we're going to work one time to nine, okay?
That's okay, I can look on, but thank you.
Thank you for allowing me to speak my name is Colton J.
My address is 6975 South Turn 41st East Avenue.
Broken air directly across the street from where this is rezoning.
I live there with my wife McKinsey and my two-year-old son Jack.
I've spoke with at least eight of the members along our street and a no need to
or 240 first this week.
I just wanted to bring up some of the items that we discussed, all of us were in opposition
of this, honestly.
So the increased traffic, the volume of the hours from early morning to late in the evening,
pedestrian safety, especially for children and pets, the noise and light pollution.
So cars driving by our road is just a little too lane road.
But I don't think it can take really any more traffic than what already gets.
The bright lights, you know, from a convenient store, grocery store, whatever, that may be.
And likely those are going to be on 24-7.
Property value.
I believe that all the surrounding property values would decline putting us sellers, buyers,
and tough positions.
Nearby competition, there's four grocery stores, convenient stores, gas stations within
a mile distance, a brand new quick trip, a dollar general, a conic oak peeps, or mighty
mark within a mile.
Quality of life for us, privacy due to just constant coming go from people, increase later
I am constantly picking up trash bags, you know, wrappers, things like that, and my fence
line, already from just being so close to 71st.
feeling and living just, I mean, a more commercial rather than rural residential wood, which is what it is.
A lot of the people around us have livestock, so welfare of those animals, whether that's, you know, just stressed from traffic noise and crowds and things like that.
Then stormwater run off with potential for, you know, having oil or fuel or, you know, gas and things like that chemicals.
And some of the additional points like I mentioned the road, you know, probably not being good enough for more traffic.
And the O'Neigh difference doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to a lot of the people on the block.
And then another one that I did, I didn't want to mention, you know, if I had a O'Neigh front inch, I am directly across the street from that.
So in the evening hours and things like that headlights pulling in and out of that are going to be shining right into the front of our house right through our windows
There's a couple, you know members in the audience as well that are
Live right next door to me and it would affect them as well. So that's that's all I have so you're directly across the street you're on very east out of it. Yes, so so
I'm
Okay, so
For more I don't need it is I'm the second property right there from 71 so we we own five acres there
People just to the north of us I believe own four or four acres
A lot of I mean these are big big property, so we've so you're on the east side. Yes, I'm on the east side of O'Neigh
No, I'm trying I have to get the applicant back up here to and maybe respond anything you're saying here, but it wasn't there
There are the on the south side where the many stores going to be is that part of this now or is that going to be separate?
I guess let me let the afternoon come back to come back.
Thank you for.
Was there another one?
No.
There's no many stores component this project.
And we see this every day in Stonewater.
Our Stonewater will be dealt with under your city Stonewater regulations.
We will all be detained.
So we want to have an issue there with us,
with pedestrians, we'll have to put sidewalks along both
canocia and overnight a road so we'll be taking care
of that.
We're a grocery store not a convenient store.
So you're actually going to go towards the whole node
itself, not just, OK, that's correct.
That's what I could remember what was south of this
was for any storage.
That's great.
We're a grocery store.
We're not a convenient store.
We're other convenience stores all around here,
but you go all the way to the other side of the turnpike
to get to the Walmart Super Center for grocery store and for miles and miles, there's no grocery store.
In the traffic, there's a traffic issue that'll be dealt with in our planning and we've studied this and traffic's fine.
The interchange is already signalized on all four legs to deal with this type of commercial growth.
You know, from your zoning regulations, lighting will be dealt with.
We will not have any lights across our property line and get out anything.
So since it's more of the area that what we see them showing right now, you're going to actually have a limits of access that it's going to actually be off Kenosha Street itself
That's correct.
We're going to have someone called Anita, but not right.
So if you have an idea where the limits of access is going to be off, we're going to need a road itself.
He was just talking about the lighting stuff.
I don't think we have much of an impact on them.
But improve the area by having this grocery store there.
I believe we require 250 feet from that intersection, so it would be a minimum of 250 feet for the
ingressy grass off any of that.
Okay, so we haven't seen anything any kind of site playing the internet to see where it's going to be.
The locations of the curb cuts.
I think it's more of a conceptual plan at this, but it will have to adhere to city ordinance and the engineering standards.
Okay.
In a lot of the concerns, you know, I don't know how to respond to quality of life on this right now,
a lot of the concerns will be addressed when we go through the actually the engineering documents
of the service.
So, that's our process, right?
Well, that would be the city of Broken Arrow Engineering staff.
So, any other discussion, questions, comments?
Thanks.
So, is this the first time seeing this and have a staff have a chance to see this tonight?
Yes.
We did not receive this prior to the meeting.
Okay, is this something you would like to see before or would you rather imagine motion on it tonight?
It's fine to make a motion. Okay
While I'll close public hearing I guess we're ready to turn in the discussion on motion.
I'm Mr. Chair. I'll make a motion to approve items six eight 25 dash 17 16 per staff recommendation.
I'll second. So we have a motion saying I have real call vote
Minni Payne.
No.
Jonathan Talvin.
Yes.
Julie Clevver.
Yes.
Jason Cohen.
No.
Robert Gorenson.
Yes.
Okay.
That'll go before the city council january 20 right here at 630.
Thank you.
And you.
We'll have a chance to present this to the city council. You might give it to him a little bit sooner, so they have a chance to look at if that makes sense.
Thank you for coming.
We're recommending bodies, so we'll go to the city council for them to consider.
Next item on the agenda is item number 6b26-82.
Public hearing, consideration, possible action, regarding PUD002490-2025, planned unit development, and BAC002489.
for 89-2025 rezoning for American storage of BA,
approximately 24.9 acres,
A1 agricultural to PUD planned unit development,
located west of the Crete term hike east of South 29th,
East Avenue or North 37th Street,
and North of East Houston Street, East 81st Street.
Rebecca excuse me for a moment.
Can y'all please be quiet out there?
A little bit of thanks.
A reasoning request,
BAZ002489-2025 is proposing to change the zoning on this property from
A1 agricultural to PUD002490-2025 for commercial heavy CH and industrial IEL based
onings to allow for retail warehouse office space and storage development to the north and
many storage development to the south.
Commercial heavy is allowable in level 6 of the comprehensive plan, and
Industrial light is possible when done in the context of a PUD or planned unit development.
Surrounding land uses,
according to the comprehensive plan are as follows, to the north is
Level 6 in the comprehensive plan with a current zoning of A1 with a special use permit 164.
It is a house of worship.
East is also slated to be level 6, according to the comprehensive plan.
It is currently agricultural and undeveloped.
South is also slated to be level 6 in the comprehensive plan.
Current zoning is agricultural, also undeveloped.
West is also level 6 in the comprehensive plan.
It is currently agricultural and undeveloped.
Based on the comprehensive plan, the location of this property and the surrounding land uses.
staff recommends that BAC002489-2025 be approved subject to the property being
plotted and PUD-002490-2025 be approved as submitted.
Thanks for back at any questions, discussion, and staff, is the applicant present,
is the applicant
present?
I thought I saw him in here a minute ago.
I think the app was in her wardrobe will give a chance for rockets if they're out there.
We're back.
I'm going to have a question about the landscape on A versus B.
Do you want me to wait?
Do you want to respond any of it?
Yeah.
If we can wait, we can both try to tag team and answer any questions.
He might not be back right now.
We've been waiting on the app for about 20 minutes now.
Yeah, it's a turn.
Anything you wish to add on this?
Let me ask you about the landscape.
Let's go ahead.
We'll make the name and address the record, please.
And Cole Watts, while it's signed collective,
1, 2, 3, Martin Luther King,
Boulevard, Tulsa, Oklahoma.
We agree with staff's recommendation for approval.
I'll just curious about landscape.
On landscaping, a versus landscape and b,
I guess the landscape in A I think has the landscape in A has a 50 foot along the turnpike.
Yes.
Okay, in landscape in the area B does not only has a 10 foot I think, what was the reason
to be not having the same amount for that area?
Because both of it ran along the creek turnpike, I was just curious.
Because the development area B is for many shortages, and so we were trying to find an extra
for for the minisorages then for the north east lot that was more industrial right let's see so
even though it's not a buddy in the creek turnfike on the area a it will still be backed up
to more to the west side right so you'll have that open field and I guess you're going to have a detention area out there we
will have a detention out there it's got so even though we don't have a landscape we have a 50 foot landscape buffer
along the entire length of the turnpike so they're going to be treason to on for both a
I guess I've missed right at him.
I believe so, because we show on exhibit E.
Yeah, I didn't read that way, but maybe I'll miss right?
Let me.
Well, I think that's good.
That's good.
But first, I'll be provided along with Creek Turnpike boundary
of development.
Area B.
Additionally, a 20-foot landscape buffer.
She'll be provided along this southern boundary of development.
Area B.
Sorry to try and fall out a little bit.
It's in your table of PUD, items, yep, keep going.
Go ahead.
Is that right there?
Yep, right there at the bottom of that page.
Thank you.
So what you read was area B, right?
Is area A and B.
You read A and B.
The intention is to provide the same landscape screening
and buffer for A and B along the term hike.
I just read the tables in an area landscape buffer is different.
We can clarify that, but that was the intention and if you look at the exhibit, you see 50 foot on both sides.
I missed out a problem, look at the kitchen area and stuff, it's going to look about what it is out there right now.
But then you still look way past it and you'll still see something.
I just curious about that.
No, that was the intention, so we can clarify that if we need to.
All right, thanks.
Any other questions, discussion?
All right, thank you.
Did anybody set a sign of speak?
No, when I have no, I guess we're right, cause public care and ready for motion.
Oh, make a motion to approve item six B per staff recommendations.
All second and most second I roll car vote.
Midie King. Yes, Jonathan Townsend. Yes, Julie Clempa. Yes, Jason Cohen. Yes, Robert Gordon. Yes, Dan that'll go before the city council in January 20th right here at 630.
I'm sure it's pretty busy out there.
I've been asked to read the statement again.
They want my voice to go out for the end of the meeting.
So basically what I'm going to tell you right now is don't repeat.
Try not to repeat the same thing over and over again.
People are going to come in here and they're not, you know, we need to talk about the things
that are relevant to what we're looking at and what we're deciding on tonight.
And that's the traffic, transportation for these items.
You got your landscaping.
You got your noise levels.
Traffic control, I think, just things like that.
So it's trying not to repeat the same thing over and over
that the previous speaker said otherwise you're going to be here all night.
I think we got 70 people signed up to talk.
More than that.
And so you got three minutes each.
So we'll be here about three hours.
So that's what we're here.
That's what we're deciding on tonight.
based on a line of your code.
And I would just like to add that if there are people that the person before you just said something that you are going to say the exact same thing.
You can just come up and say your name and then mention that you agree with the previous person or another person.
You can say that.
The other thing I just wanted to share is people do get passionate about many subjects.
and we just have to know that we all have a right to disagree in our own opinion and to speak of our opinion.
So there may be some people that disagree with what you're saying or what you believe.
Please keep it down and allow them the opportunity to speak at the same way that you were given an opportunity to speak.
Okay, so we'll just be respectful. Thank you.
Yeah, and that's what I was going to say when you came up to speak.
Remember you're talking to us up here at the Planning Commission.
You're not talking to the audience, okay?
So you need to talk to us, okay?
All right.
You want to cover the item?
Staff?
This is public hearing, consideration, and possible action regarding B, A, Z,
0, 0, 2, 4, 6, 9, 20, 25, rezoning, and SP, 0, 0, 2, 5, 2, 6, 20, 25,
Conditional Use Permit, Islamic Center of Tulsa 15.06 Acres, Agracultural, and Float Plane to Commercial General and Float Plane.
Located approximately one half-mile north of Tucson Street, under 21st Street, and just east of all of Avenue, also known as Under 2090.
The AZ002469-2025 is a request to change the zoning designation of 15.08 Acres from Agracultural to Commercial General and Float Plane.
The property is located approximately one half mile north of Tucson Street and just east of
all of Avenue, 129 east Avenue.
The Creek Term Pike and its interchange with all of Avenue is north of this property.
The proposed development will have access from all of Avenue.
This property is comprehensive plan level six which supports a rezoning to commercial general
CG.
The proposed development includes a commercial retail sensor along the frontage of the property.
The Islamic Center in the Center portion, the rear portion of the property is partially flood
land and is planned for a retention pond and a vacant land.
A conditional use permit for a place of assembly is also part of this item for consideration.
Parking requirements for places of assembly are one parking space for per-four seats in assembly area,
or one parking space per-100 square feet in meeting areas without seats.
The conceptual development layout details 726 total parking spaces.
However, the final number will be determined and approved in the site plan review process for both the Islamic Center and the retail development.
Surrounding land uses zoning and comprehensive plan.
The surrounding properties contain the following uses along with the following development guide and zoning designations.
So the North it is level six in Greenway floodplain.
It is zoning is agricultural in the land use that's currently vacant.
It is the East does level six in zoned agricultural and the land use is currently vacant.
So the South is level three in greenway floodplain.
The zoning is agricultural and its current use is for a place of assembly.
So the West is level six in level three, the zoning is agricultural
and its currently used is a single family residence-and vacant land.
Also addition to that.
According to FEMA's national flood hazard layer, the rear portion of the property features an area of 100 year floodplain.
That area is planned to remain undeveloped currently. All developments will follow floodplain development requirements as set forth by the City of Broken Arrow and FEMA.
Based upon the Comprehensive Plan, the location of the property and the surrounding land uses, staff recommends that be AZ002469-20205 and SP002526-20205 be approved subject to the property being flooded.
All right, thanks, Jose.
Any questions, staff?
I would like to add for kind of what Jason was getting that while ago.
If you've got, you know, you've probably got some radio in here right now.
So if you're going to get ready, I will recess the meeting and we'll wait for 5-10 minutes
whatever takes till everybody settles down, and then we'll reconvene to start over.
So that means it may go into a lot later through the night, if that makes sense to you guys.
So just try to come and become relaxed.
So is the applicant present, you have anything you wish to add, I bet you do.
How many people turn out to see a grocery store resounding, right?
That's right.
And yours is in the water, right?
Yeah.
We're just in the water.
When they did name an address for the record place, I am Rick Brown.
I am the architect representing the Tulsa Islamic Association.
And I, my address is 521 West Willshar Oklahoma City.
Our practices in Oklahoma City, Dallas, and New York were a small boutique firm.
And we do a lot of different things, but we have over the last 10 to 12 years done a number of Islamic projects, whether they're mosques or, you know, family-centered additions.
And this is one of those. It's in an agriculture-ally-zoned area currently.
It's next to
Another assembly has talked about that it's a church, so there's a precedent for the type of the type of occupancy that we're going to propose here.
Phase one of the project will be the prayer hall and some support functions phase two would be
finishing out the second floor with classrooms and the women's prayer area.
And then the next phase of actual construction would be adding the gym and a place that fits in between what would be the phase one.
We know that with a conditional special use permit that we can build the mosque in agricultural zoning,
but we also have about 20,000 square foot retail slash office kind of structure that fronts on to all of street.
So that won't happen immediately.
It's projected for some time in the future,
but the commercial zoning would be required for that.
So you're saying that the commercial is way down the line compared to the line.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, I don't know exactly what it is.
I don't think the area is ready for it.
First off, and when it is, you know,
I'm an interactive Instagram because that was a question I had to staff
and I don't know if your posture dance was this right now.
But if they were to be approved for the zoning change,
and if they were to be approved with the,
and I'm not saying they're going to,
if they were to be approved for the conditional use permit,
with the timeline actually start just on the mosque itself,
or would for the conditional use permit,
because don't you have like two years to be under construction,
active, or expires, and they have to come back
before the planning commission again.
So, but that's not going to be related to the commercial
on the retail, correct?
But no, they would have the rezoning would be subject to planning, so they would have to
apply the property before the zoning goes into effect.
If they do not act on the use permit within a couple of years, then it would have to start
to realize that.
And that's construction right, because I think what it says in the ordinances like active or
something like activated or something, I'm not sure exactly what you're doing.
Can you relate here?
Thank you.
We'll do.
They would have to be actively seeking the permits for it.
I just stated that they'd have to actively be seeking permits.
All right, go ahead.
So, that's the essentially the concept side plan that's up on the screen now.
You can see the overall facility, the prayer hall is, you know, in the neighborhood of,
of 3839,000 square feet, initial construction would be about 24,000 square feet, the future
retail you can see is about 20,000 square feet up on the front edge.
We show 600 some odd parking spaces, the mosque will hold a full capacity about that many
people.
I know that that's more than the city allows, I'm sure that's something that will create a lot of dialog during the site plan, approval phase and, you know, we're open to studying that although there are, you know, times at on Fridays when they're, their services are and during Ramadan that they will absolutely feel those parking spaces.
99 percent of the time it won't. There will be only a handful of people there for daily
prayers and on Fridays there's a lot more people on Friday afternoons but that's actually
a pretty good time. It doesn't conflict with the church next door and so we really don't think
traffic will be a problem out there.
Well, that's interesting.
I do a lot of interrupting someone there after you get there.
They're keeping the clock going so they're stopping it for you to put me to ask a question.
But I want to ask it down before I forget the transportation of traffic control itself,
the traffic that you expect out there.
A lot of people are going to bring up the concern with the traffic going down all of
the street.
I don't understand that.
So what can you tell us about the hours of operation and when is the peak traffic occurring
at leaving this or entering or leaving this facility through the week.
Typically the only really busy time is on Friday afternoon and I think that's one or two
o'clock, one o'clock Friday, so one o'clock on Friday is when the big crowd will be there,
other times during the week, there'll be a handful of people for daily prayers, not a lot, okay.
So there will be, on Fridays,
a security guard to direct traffic that's typical, so like
many churches do, they have a security guard on staff that will direct traffic.
And that's really the layout, it's pretty simple, I know there are a lot of people who
will protest because it's a mosque.
I understand that.
I'm a grew up a Baptist kid in Dallas, Texas.
So, you know, I get where people are coming from.
But, you know, I think for the purposes of what we're doing tonight,
it's a zoning issue.
There's a church next to us.
And that's really what we have to focus on.
Well, and there's gonna be a lot of questions
There's a lot of things are going to come up and a lot of things that there will be some repeats and so I know what an other item is going to be discussed is the
I think it's called call for praying
Okay, the noise that might occur on that. Can you tell us about that? Sure, and so I kind of allow to everybody can hear because that's what they're going to be very good
They're very quiet. I don't I don't think that there's
Now see that's this is the stuff you don't want to do, okay?
Because you're just going to prolong it because I'm not going to have to interrupt you and say be quiet. So go ahead
But all of the prayers are within the walls of the mosque, and I can't imagine that it's
any louder than any Christian church that I've been in, I mean, they're prayers when
they pray or are very, very silent.
So I don't know anything that happens there that would create any kind of noise in the sense.
So they're going to be any external speakers now times anything like that.
No, thank you.
No, there's not.
There's nothing that would broadcast the message or anything outside the walls of the building.
Okay.
And see this from what I did my own research.
They actually, and I don't know anything about it.
Really other than what I read on internet and stuff.
So, so they, they aren't gonna be inside broadcast.
It's a certain thing on speakers like J.D.
was saying where you can get here at all over the world.
Yes, there's something that we saw online.
It maybe happens other places, but my understanding,
I'm not really familiar with the ones in Tulsa,
but don't they have a similar setup and design
to where it's not heard out doors?
Yeah, it's, I don't, I can't imagine
why it would ever be heard.
Yeah, it's kind of like a dress that.
I don't want to go to the office.
This is a point of topic and discussion that I knew we would get into and we're a little
premature.
So I know he's going to help you present, but at the same time, I'd also don't want us to
get stuck on this yet.
I know we're going to have a lot of people who bring it up, so I would also note that the
city has a noise warden, a noise warder, to regulate any type of noise.
But a lot of this stuff I want to go ahead and bring out because these people don't want
to come up and ask about it.
Maybe, hey, I heard something that I don't really need to talk about, or maybe I want to add something to it.
So go ahead.
My name is Aslam Siyad, and I live at 7132 East 86th Street in Tulsa, and I attend the prayers to out of the five daily prayers at the Islamic Society of Tulsa,
which is in the neighborhood behind Sam's club on 44th and Sheridan.
Irvings in Street, I think it is.
Exactly at 4630 South Irvington Avenue.
And I'm also part of the leadership there and we don't have for the past 25 years we've never even thought about adding a speaker outside and we have never had this problem
We live in a neighborhood. We are the mosque is in a neighborhood surrounded by all the residential houses and nobody has ever complain about that.
So this is next to a church and the other side is the turnpike.
So I don't imagine that's good to hear because there was a lot of comments on social
media and stuff.
Address to that.
I'm sure a lot of people have a concern out there.
I'm not saying it's going to be approved, but maybe that could be something in the motion
also if it was for approval to include something about it.
I know there's noise ordinance, but actually, since it is a conditional use permit, the
the council can create other development standards in their correct, correct.
So, okay.
Anyway, thank you.
And if there's anything else that is going to be,
it's going to be a concern of people driving fast or something like that,
but we try to control all of that.
You know, we try to keep our messaging where
do not bother your neighbors, do not be, you know,
doing anything that is hurtful to the neighbors.
And, you know, we've demonstrated this for the last 25 years in Tulsa and we've outgrown that space and these are all, I mean, the questions that were raised online on different forums were, where's the money coming from and all that, I mean irrelevant to this hearing, but I'm just here to say that this is all the doctors and engineers and everybody else, whoever is here in Tulsa, the Muslim community, they have raised this money ten years ago to purchase this land and we didn't have fun.
to build anything for the past 10 years and now we're embarking on it because we collected
some money from our own people. So this year I thought you had purchased it 14 years ago or so.
It's 2014 is when we purchased it. Okay and you're just waiting to get money together to build
that. Yes, and it was a slow collection as you can imagine, you know, we're not. We're just a few
thousand people around in Tulsa, so it just took time, but eventually, with the different populations migrating, I think, there's more influx in and now we need a second place of worship, as far as you're going to have both active then.
So you're not moving the operations from Irvington to this one.
It's going to be a relief for that location in Tulsa that we're going to be dividing up the number of people because the people of Broken Arrow, the Muslims who live in Broken Arrow,
they're all driving up to the Tulsa mosque and so especially in Ramadan, that's where we see the problem and now this will relieve us from that parking pressure.
Plus, the Islamic Society of Tulsa, we've got 380 parking spaces, and we're accommodating
all the people from Tulsa, Broken Arrow, Jinks, and even from north, up north from OASO,
but now with this, with the 700 or almost 700 parking spaces, in the second center,
we imagine that at least for the next 20 years we will not have any parking issues.
You know, the one on Irvington's gated, isn't it?
It is.
Will this one be gated also?
Fancy gated?
It was also.
The firm's permit.
OK, so down the road, then to do that.
OK.
Yeah, because the one in Irvington did not have the gated,
did not have the fence in the beginning.
Mm-hmm.
We added it about 15 years ago, I think.
Yeah.
OK.
He's still got a couple, I think, a couple of minutes left.
If I could throw in a couple of more questions,
But I understand it is, you're the architect, does that mean that we aren't going to get
really any specific information on the commercial development tonight or that we have anyone
who can speak to anything.
There hasn't been, we haven't even discussed it.
And the side planning piece of and to say that, yeah, we at some point in the future we'd like to
have that.
Okay.
in front of the main street, but as far as the way it looks, we haven't discussed that.
Well, and that would be the only tax revenue for the City of Broken Arrow, right?
The Marshall Correct, so.
And I have some questions about that, but perhaps we're not quite there yet on that section of it.
But thank you again for both of you both for your explanations, especially yours on the peak of traffic times
because I don't want to assume that everyone knows everyone in here right now knows when
mosque, peak traffic takes place. I personally wasn't really aware to just just
hear recently, and I appreciate you speaking to that, but also I wanted to ask
you since you are an architect. What does that, how do you feel about the, you
mentioned there would be phases in this project would be developed in, but I've
seen phases get paused, I've seen phases, fills a lot, and things get half way done
for a while, and obviously it becomes a public nuisance
and it's an eye source.
So what can you say to that any concerns
that people might have saying, hey, if it is going,
how do we make sure it goes and goes beautifully?
That's a really good question,
because the Islamic community builds everything out of pocket.
They don't go to the bank and get a loan
so that everything they have is paid for by the time it's built.
I have done, I guess this is 12 now. Most of them in North Texas, this is the first one in
Oklahoma that I've done, but all of the ones that we've done previously have done the same thing.
They'll start with the money they have on hand and they've been collecting money for this for a while.
But once they start construction on what we're calling phase one, which will look like a nice finished product,
that will in turn generate a lot of donations for the remainder of it.
like anybody else, they began to donate money when they see progress in the past.
And that's just our general human nature.
So I have yet to be involved in one that didn't collect the money by the time the project was complete.
And I mean several phases of the project.
So I'm curious.
Do you have the money to complete phase one?
I don't know what their funding is at this point, how are we?
We are in the process of collecting that.
We don't have it at this point.
So you got a percentage of it.
We have the pledges and we are looking to start when...
Our timing is to match when the architecture and the civil engineering work is done by that time.
if at least we got 50% of the construction cost is when we're going to start.
But what I understand is, and not correct me if I'm wrong, but you have two years to actually
activate, get something going out there. Otherwise, for the mosque itself, for this
condition, you can use permit to be active. Otherwise it expires and you have to come for the
planning commission. If you waited three, if it was approved and you waited three years,
No, it's expired so you've got to come for the board again.
Yeah, I think we're way before that.
I mean, we wait at 10 years and we're going to start only when we have something.
And I would like to say again, since this,
that conceptuality has been up there quite a while now tonight,
that even though we see that,
that we're not, we're not locked into that.
Okay, tonight we're hearing a zoning issue,
and we're also hearing a conceptual,
I mean, a conditional unit.
Conditional use permit. I'm getting mixed up from the old ones. So we have a CUP. I'm going to call it which is SP. But anyway, so we have a zoning and we have the conditional use permit.
We aren't really looking at a rendering or anything like that. Other than they did provide that out of courtesy, but that doesn't mean they're locked into what you're seeing on this area right now.
I just want everybody to know that in case if it was approved, I'm not saying it's going to be if it was approved.
three years from now may look something different, that's because they may have changed or
designed when they went through the engineering process.
I just want our Biden know that stuff.
Go ahead.
Great.
Well, I don't want to, you know, be labor, our presentation, but, you know, this is our schematic.
The plan is not to disturb the limits of the floodplain and the back.
We don't want to deal with that right now, there may come a time in the future where there might be some expansion back there.
I don't know, there's no plans for that, so it is on a septic system, so we'll have to have septic out there, so we'll have our own sewer system out there.
the building will be sprinkled, fire department has, has and will have great access, so I think
all of the technical components will be, either arm add or will be met when we go through
the side-planings phase with the civil engineers
and detention if it's required will also provide.
About 20 minutes get that 10 minutes then.
So we'll go ahead and open this up.
We have a lot of people that's going to want to talk, and so I'm sure there'll be some items
you wish to talk about.
We've got whatever your question.
Bear with us for about three hours, so we'll give you another shot out here a little bit.
All right.
Thank you.
Hopefully it's not too late for me to drive back home to Oklahoma City, so you may get
in a room.
We have great hotels here.
So again, I do want to mention again, but just let you know that we got two items before
so that we got the zoning and they're wanting to go from what is agriculture and flood to CG commercial general to flood.
So that CG allows that retail to be off all of the street and the conditional use condolency.
Conditional use per minute, I keep getting that mixed up.
That is associated with the mosque itself that they're asking for so those are two separate items
So my recommendation would be for us to not whether it's approved or deny would be to make two separate motions
One for the zoning to prove or deny and if it's denied
I don't think you have to worry about the condition you use permit
But if you approve of the zoning then I would recommend that we do a separate motion for the
Mosque if that's what you want to prove the condition you's permit
If you do it to microphone
They got to hear you back there.
If for some reason it was not approved we would also have to have a conditional use permit to build the mosque in agricultural.
So since that's a separate vote could that not go ahead and be granted with it.
possibly could I would ask staff if it's that condition use permit for this could use could fall into the
AG itself as yes. I would have to double check on that. I don't have a chart.
I need to remember.
Yeah, it's a it's a standalone issue as I understand it so I would think that it would be
applicable.
The only reason why I was thinking they ought to be separate and that the the condition use
permit should not piggyback because if the zoning was was approved or denied, there would
use on the condition use permit unless you are going to do it for the AG and I don't know if we
would want to continue that or what to come back I don't know. Okay probably. Yeah and and I think
we would like that if we could get the conditional use permit on whether it passes or not. I think
are the biggest thing that would be different about whether it passed or not is that retail piece in
But I've taken an action on the on the zoning request whether it's approved or denied
it allows you to move on to the city council whether it's a recommended body whether
it goes to them with approval recommended for approval or if we deny it you could
appeal it to the city council. So it doesn't slow down the train if that makes sense.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I hope I said that right.
But yeah, I think that it makes sense, some sense,
that whether it passed or did not, to go ahead
and vote either pass or fail on the conditional use permit
because that would be required.
And you are the cultural zoning to build as well.
So then you agree or agree that they should probably
two different motions?
Yes.
OK.
Yes.
You have no plans on tying into the city's sewer at all.
Well, no, because there's no city sewer anywhere close to us.
I mean, I want to say it's homozyze here.
I think it's like 1,900 feet or 1,200 feet or something from us.
From my recollection, I think the closest sewer infrastructure is towards the south on two
on, 130 first.
There is some development taking place.
Of course, with the trails that has been created from them correctly, that apartment complex has some sewer facilities.
There's potential for development of the parcel to the west of that, so in between that apartment complex and this parcel that's under consideration today.
There's some potential for that property being developed in the near future.
As a part of that development, they would have to, of course, also build out the sewer system for that development.
it's a potential single-family residential development.
However, whether or not that infrastructure
will be accessible to the mosque,
that will depend on that development itself
on how they develop it.
So yeah, so currently is no sewer seditors
who are within processing access for example.
So our plan is to use septic now.
We'll keep in touch with any development, like Jose said,
it's going on adjacent to the city.
If there's some potential to share costs and get city sewer, we'd love to do that.
The fashion of his showstopper, so no, it's not.
The city standard is any sewer within 300 feet.
They have to tie in two.
All right.
Thanks a lot.
So I guess we'll open that as a public hearing.
And Jay Lee, since I'm not a regular reader, she's going to actually call
the names, right?
We have a bunch of what?
Three or four?
100? No. We have a bunch of people that want to speak. You have three minutes to talk.
Whether you're forward or against it, and she'll call your name. And I guess you have one
you call a second name for some of my own deck or something? Yes, I will. Yeah, I'll explain the system.
So, I will read those, well, I won't read the emails, but just for starters,
The city of Broken Arrow had a total of 68 calls.
They had 150 emails, six in favor, 144 in opposition.
They had, please hold your applause.
They had several people sign up, not to speak, 45 in favor.
177 opposed. Please do not vlog. Thank you. So that whole stack is
that whole stack is they don't want to talk for in favor and opposed.
Now I have the other
stack and the way this works is I'm going to call the first person's name that I'm
going to call person that's on deck. So those out in the hallway and those in the
floor room. Please be listening for your name. So if you are on deck, you can start moving
this way. So the first person that wished to speak and in favor is Phil Armstrong, the
person on deck, which would come after Phil, is Muhammad and I am so sorry if I mispronounced
names, a T-SAM, so the first person, if you would come forward, Phil Armstrong, where do you
want on deck to be positioned? They can just come anywhere in here, just someplace close.
And Phil, you will have three minutes, please state your name and address. So I will say
I hear some noise. Somebody get their cell phone walking TV or something or what's going on.
here, you don't hear that, let me do.
Well, if we have to, we'll shut the doors, just so we, I mean, I don't want to cause a bunch
of interruptions.
So if you got any things going on, we'll shut the door if you're outside, we'll just have
you run early, the room.
So Muhammad, I do not see you coming in.
So if you are here in present, please start moving forward.
Mr. Armstrong, floorgers.
Good evening.
I am Phil Armstrong, address 2219 East 11th Street to Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Good evening, commissioners, and thank you for allowing me to speak.
I am Phil Armstrong, President and CEO of OCCJ, an organization that has existed in
Oklahoma since 1958, formerly known as the National Conference of Christians and Jews.
Prior to this current position, I was the founding director of the Greenwood Rising Black
Wall Street History Center that was opened in June of 2021 in historic Greenwood of Tulsa,
Oklahoma.
I became quite attuned to building a structure that stoked a wide array of emotions and
controversy.
Since it's opening over 150,000 people from around this state, country, and from around
the world, not only come to learn about the tragic events of May 31st, 1921, but the
faith, hope, and resilience of a community that turned tragedy into a triumph.
Today I'm asking you to see this project not just as bricks and mortar, but also as
a symbol of who we are and who we aspire to be and that is community.
Our Muslim neighbors are already part of the heart beat of this community we call green
country, they are teachers, doctors, business owners, and parents. They volunteer in our schools,
they serve in our hospitals, and they contribute to the strength of our economy. Yet many
of them lack an adequate and modern space to gather to worship and celebrate life's milestones.
Imagine a place where families share meals across cultural lines, where conversations replace
misconceptions. That is what this center promises, a home for dialogue, understanding, and
friendship. Approving this project sends a message. A message that says the city of Broken Arrow
is a city where diversity is not a challenge to overcome but a strength to embrace. At a time
when headlines often divide us, you have the chance to write a different story, one of Unity,
compassion and hope. The free exchange of ideas, something that Charlie Kirkospaused, is not
just a principle. It is a lifeblood of a thriving community. This center will be a place
where ideas, cultures, and friendship flow freely. This mosque and community center will not
only serve Muslims. It will serve us all. And I say that as an ordained Christian minister,
serving as an associate at Metropolitan Baptist Church of Tulsa.
So I ask you from the heart to approve this project.
Let's choose understanding over fear, love, over division.
Let's build something that future generations will look and say,
this is what community looks like.
Thank you for your time and for considering what this means.
Not just for today, but for the future that we share.
Thank you.
I do have a sheet that was marked.
Do not wish to speak and wish to speak.
So it's Sean Murray, since Mohammed did not show.
Okay,
we're moving on. So next person is going to be Sherry Thomas.
And then the person after her on deck is going to be Colby Palmer. So Sherry Thomas, where if Colby Palmer gets here first, you can come.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Come on.
Go ahead Colby.
So Shari Thomas is on deck.
You all do, by the way, you do not have to say your address when you come up to speak.
Okay.
Thank you.
That was my first question.
Just say your name and thank you.
Anyway, my name is Colby Palmer.
I've lived in Broken Arrow as long as I can remember.
Like many of you, I was raised in a Christian household and understand the importance of religious freedom for the people here in Oklahoma.
I've
met many hardworking homens from many religious backgrounds, whether they be Christian,
Jew, Muslim, or any other religion.
I've met many members of Tulsa's Muslim community.
They're kind, charitable, and they're kind, charitable, and peace-loving community.
I did a good job.
Take a breath.
Thank you.
Who have proven that they are willing to come out and help support the entire community.
Even though I may not be Muslim, I still support their right to practice their religion the same way I support yours or anyone else's here.
Should we not support each other's freedom regardless of their religious beliefs?
I say yes.
Love by neighbor applies to people of all faiths.
Thank you. You did a good job. Okay, so Shari Thomas please and next on deck is going to be Nathan Forest.
Oh, okay, then you will be on deck.
You can go ahead.
Okay, Shari.
Just take your name for us please.
Yes, please.
I don't have much of a voice today. Sorry.
My name is Shari Thomas.
11, 16, North Highland Drive, Broken Arrow.
Thank you for letting us speak.
We do not need or want another Dearborn Michigan no go zone or epic city, which is East Plano Islamic Center near Plano Texas.
In Islam, this is a symbolic claiming or taking over.
It is not simply a building, but an attempt to establish a many epic city in Procanero.
These are not simply immigrants.
Islam rejects our laws, our culture, and our customs.
By their own writings, their intent is to take over and impose their laws
Sharia, not emiss, assimilate, and embrace or comply to our constitution or our culture.
Islam is completely incompatible with our constitution.
Please do not embrace PC, woke, abdication of our responsibilities as citizens and have common sense
discernment of the Islamic ideology and put a stop to this, or like Germany, we will
acquiesce and allow this to destroy us in our culture and time.
The job of our government, you, our leaders, is to protect its citizens, our culture,
our legal interests, citizens' rights, and freedoms, not to pander to those hostile to
our Constitution.
By their own writings, their hostile invaders, let us be kind and share the love of Jesus
with these people.
But, we must be strong and stand up for our culture, our laws, and our history.
As Elon must said, if tolerance means the end of Western civilisation, we cannot be tolerant.
This may seem alarmist, but be aware of Islamic teaching and history.
Let's not be like the frog that was slowly boiled to death by our naivety or apathy.
this is a Christian nation, Islam is incompatible with Christianity, Islam is incompatible with our constitution.
Thank you.
All right.
Now, if you remember what I said earlier, we need to keep, you know,
that's kind of stuff really we're not looking at for the zoning change.
The conditional use permit, okay.
We're looking at land use, is this, is this, for the land use itself, is it good for the land use change?
is it like the traffic, the drainage, things like that. Okay? The other step, that's not what we're
looking at tonight. So, I pay that. All righty. So, coming up is going to be Sean Murray and
on deck is Nathan Forest.
Islam means submit and lots of people don't want to submit to this
idea, this way of life that they espouse in their religion. There's been a lot of talk about
the issues like can we, you know, will it, we have sewage the crowd, the crowds, they're there.
But that's, I think most of these people are here because it's a cultural issue.
And we don't want that imposed on our kids.
I have a daughter who's 15 years old. I don't want this, this ideology imposed on her.
It is on unconstitutional. They have a sworn oath, if you look at any of the documentation,
and any of the Muslim countries, they are not open to this idea that we're trying to pretend
to exist where we're open to everybody's way of life. And we're just going to come by all together
and get along, there's one against our ideas and I think that's what most of the people
are supporting is they don't want the cultural change here and if they don't, I'm one
of those people because like the lady said before, it is incompatible with our Constitution
if you're for a women's rights, that's out the window and there's several women here on the
not support the rights of women at all. So, yeah, that's why I stand against it. There's
lots of things that we could, we might be able to make happen on a logistical plane. Like, yeah,
we might be able to get sewage and all that stuff, but I think it's a little bit more than that.
I think it's the cultural impact that this will have on our community, and I think 90% of these
people here probably are not for that, and I think that ought to be taken into consideration
since it's the constituents that the City Council is supposed to be supporting,
and that's
not, this kind of ideology doesn't back up a Christian religion, I'm a Christian, and they
are completely opposed to this. I think the lawyer that spoke at first said something about,
In the past 25 years, there hasn't been a problem with a specific mosque, but I think a lot of people
remember a lot of problems that have come about due to Islam in the last 25 years, and I don't think people
OK, so I'm getting ready to say something.
OK, so.
Yeah.
I had.
No, I'm getting ready to say something, Mr. Brown.
The kind of stuff that was just mentioned
in the last two speakers, and I'll tell you right now,
there's nothing in the ordinance that I know it.
And I don't think the attorney's going to find anything.
That says whether we could approve or deny,
based on what you're just saying.
I mean, that's your belief, so we understand that.
But we have to have something solid that's
in our zoning door, and it's for us to deny or approve.
And right now, we're not here anything, and that's what I'm trying to tell you, is based on just your belief that what you see on social media and stuff like that, it doesn't work for what we're doing.
What it needs to be is things again, and I'm not going to read the list again, but it needs to be related to the land use itself.
Does it fit as a combatable? The use, not the type of the individuals, what they speak or anything like that.
Does that make sense what I'm saying there? Think about it.
We have to be able to, it's got to be certain, I can't think of the word that we need tangible that we could use, not just what you read on Facebook, things like that.
Okay, so if you find something in a zone you're doing, it says, hey, they can't do that because of this, we don't think you should do it. We'll listen to that.
No, no, you'll have to wait, we'll call your name.
Okay, so right now, I'm not seeing Nathan for us, so next person in line is Gabriel McGlennsey McGlennsey.
First, non-deck after Gabriel is going to be Mercedes, Clay Wine,
come on ahead, Mercedes, you can come ahead and speak, and then after that is going to be Randall Stickney, Randall Stickney,
please stay your name Mercedes.
Hi, my name is Mercedes-Gliving.
Yes, hi.
I was raised Christian Southern Baptist out in the country near a small town called Perleton
Oklahoma.
I went to school in Cleveland, Oklahoma.
I graduated valedictorian as a member of the National Honor Society and received full scholarship
to attend Oklahoma State University.
It was at university that I met people for the first time who practiced different religions
in the one that I grew up with.
I learned that these people were not hateful or evil.
They were just different.
They just practiced their religion differently,
then my family did.
Now some of my best friends are Muslim.
The people who have shown me the most kindness in my adult life
have been the Muslims living in Broken Arrow.
Sorry, you're good.
You're good.
Okay, good.
Muslims are people.
They can be kind or cruel.
It can be rich or poor?
Sorry.
You do a little.
It's a little intimidating standing up there.
We understand you.
They can be fatter skinny, white or brown, just like Christians.
There are black Christians, white Christians, brown Christians, Christians from all walks of life and many different countries.
And the same is true for Muslims.
In America, we believe in freedom of religion.
I believe that Muslims deserve a place of worship just like Christians.
We live in a place where there's a Christian church on every corner, according to various sources.
There are somewhere between 800 Christian churches in the Tulsa metro area and yet our city
has only 10 mosques.
This is not a quality.
Why should Muslims living in Broken Arrow have to drive all the way to Tulsa in order
attend a service while Christians are able to attend any church in their neighborhood because
there's one on every corner. What kind of freedom do we have if we are not allowed to
worship whatever religion we want to worship? Do we have freedom of religion in this country?
Or is this freedom only reserved for the practices of Christianity and nothing else? This
is a blatant double standard and deserves to be challenged. I'm not Muslim, but I stand
with the Muslim community here in Broken Arrow
and believe they deserve the same rights
as every other American.
Thank you.
OK, so we need Gabriel McClick McClénzy.
Then Randall Stickney on deck.
And then after Randall will be filled buyers.
Fill buyers.
Go ahead, Gabriel.
Thank you for the microphone, yeah.
Hold down, hold down, hold down, hold down.
OK, you state your name, please.
Gabriel McKinley.
Thank you for allowing me to voice
This is my concerns about this matter.
The world has recently worn witness to the emergence of the new geopolitical phenomenon that
is the declaration of Islamic State by specific Islamic organizations.
Examples include the Taliban's proclamation of a state subject to Shahar law.
And Afghanistan in the 1990s, Hamas rule in the Gaza Strip in 2006, Boko Haram's declaration
and the Islamic caliphate in Nigeria in 2014
and ISIS declaration of an Islamic caliphate
in large portions of the notions of Iraq and Syria.
All of these ignored political borders
and laws of the nation.
And instead of simply declared their own separate state
under rule and authority of Islam.
These Islamic states are after claiming their terrorist
Then utilize this area or region, they have claimed to achieve the social, legal, religious, financial, and more control over all who live within that claimed territory.
The tactics of these organizations have used is first, immigrate, then reproduce, drive out resistance by playing calls of prayer for all hours, by being ungovernable and various other means.
Sorry, is Long Belie's that your heart a lot, is this...
The Supreme State of governing rules, regardless of any local state or federal law.
Recently, the Oklahoma Supreme Court struck down an attempt by religious groups and political
groups who attempted to sneak various items into social studies curriculum.
My question is, for this body, if Islamic mosque is not forthcoming about its agenda,
and is found to be attempting to bring in shahar law in order to subvert the local state
federal laws, what can be and what will be done about this?
Thank you.
Okay.
Randall, stick me.
So we'll need your day.
But before you get started, what did they just name for the record?
But do you have anything related to the city zoning code, the land use itself,
noise, lighting, traffic, anything like that?
Or is it just going to be your opinion and beliefs on Muslims or whatever?
What is going to be as many exercises in my right as this is.
Okay.
Okay, okay, but you're in real you're points will be addressed and and you can answer your question
Yeah, yeah, I didn't answer your question right and you could you can understand that but is that points will be addressed
But really what you're saying there's not gonna spoil him. I decision one way or the other because you're just giving me your belief
Well, I don't have to live with you. You have to live with you
Yeah, and I'm doing just fine. Well, I thought trying to obstruct our suppressing one from expressing their values
That's totally fair game
Thank you. But there is planning commission in language and
parameters as we're just to what the way that we based our outcomes and decisions on.
We just want to make sure that you all in my fillet out if you want to express
something else.
Trying to find out.
First amendment is for all.
However, just know that there is planning commission specific.
I understand.
Language that we look for.
law those states that any time may be first off yeah first off you need to go ahead and
state your name but before you do real quick just for a second Kevin Egliet is on deck
so we've got fill buyers and Kevin Egliet go ahead and commercial state your name please
is this better? yep the last part of your name please for me is going
Randall Stickney. Thank you. I'm a retired physician. I've been in the Tulsa Metro
Plucks since the 1980s and I am a resident of Broken Arrow, not Tulsa, like we heard earlier.
The reason I'm here is that as I understand it, by Oklahoma, all the commercial zoning
has to take in is a mandate to believe that the surrounding community is enhanced by whatever's
being built. And that may not be sewage and that may not be drainage and it may not be retention
and ponds, but that's a pretty impellant characteristic.
And representing the sense of broken era, ask yourself if you would like to have a mosque built
near your neighborhood, ask yourself what it would do to the value of your home, ask yourself
if you would put in a business next to that mosque from a mercantile perspective, and ask yourself
if you'd like to hear a call to prayer five times a day beginning at Don't finish it night.
I know what you've been told, I heard those statements, but the truth is, there's a principle in Islam called
and which you were justified in lying to infidels.
Anytime you want, if it furtheres the cause of Allah,
keep that in mind and ask the people
in Michigan, how that worked out for them.
His home, his home is not a religion.
It's a misogynistic culture born of the rise of the
pedophilic war lord in around 570 AD.
They're great prophet, consummate his marriage
to a six-year-old girl when she was nine years old
in her own words still playing with dolls.
Before you call me a racist, please be aware that my dear to Pard Wife 37 years was half
Mexican.
We adopted kids from Korea, had black friends at Calming Family, Family and a black
white and racial couple chooses to stay with our home with their kids when they're here.
Historically, convert, leave, or die where the choices available to non-Muslims in the
early years, and those principles are still in play.
Islam is violence, in 627 AD after the 25 day siege of Medina by Muslim forces, the
fending resident tribe of Jewish Arabs surrendered, expecting him to remain treatment.
The Islamic field commander ordered all the men and all the pubescent boys to be executed
and he directed the enslavement of all the women and children.
Trenches were dug, and between 600 and 900 decapitated bodies were thrown into trenches.
the Paragon of Virtue of Ola's worship, Muhammad approved saying that it was in accordance with God's decree.
A French think tank reported 66,872 Islamic attacks from 1979 to 2024, with over 200,000 of those deaths in the last 10 years.
Currently, tens of thousands of Christians have been and are still being murdered by Muslim extremists in sub-Aherah,
of Africa, machetes are off on the implement of choice.
Aside from the burcas and heat jobs in a lack of personal freedom,
Islam and Sharia law does not give equal rights to women.
I saw an Imam on TV one time.
It was being questioned about the corporal punishment of wives.
His comment was, yes, you can beat your wife,
but if a good Muslim would seek medical attention
for the wife, if she needed it afterward.
Thank you for your time.
I didn't get my three minutes,
because you guys asked questions and asked questions.
I asked my three minutes, I didn't get my three minutes.
They stopped the clock.
We're one of the primary victims of Syracurian law and sanctioned killings.
The practice of Trio, I was a Muslim to line and put it over.
I said that.
Sir.
Yes.
That's it.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Okay.
Fill buyers.
Fill buyers here.
Then Kevin Eglie will be on deck and then Heidi Martinez.
I'm sorry.
Can we ask to close the door?
There's too much background.
noise coming from the hallways in here.
Thank you.
Whenever you're ready.
I am filled by us.
I'd like to point out the first two people who spoke who were
forth this rezoning.
They were able to go on about their side so that's why
other people feel like we get some say in that.
I have some things that I would mention about actual rezoning.
I heard something about the Islamic, the Cold Prayer.
And yes, that would be one of my key concerns.
I understand there's saying that it's going to stay within the building.
The fellow before me was absolutely right about the doctrine of Takiya.
It does allow people to lie in order to promote the needs of Allah.
So, there is that.
Now, the cold prayer, there is several residential areas around this area.
That's going to be a big deal, even if they just do it once a day.
So, now, yes, there are noise ordinances.
Well, there are no his ordinances in Dearborn, Ham Track, Michigan, in Minneapolis.
Now, Dallas is a problem.
The key is somebody has to have the backbone in force those ordinances.
So it may be coming,
fellow before me, also mentioned that the mosque would serve all people.
And I've got to tell you, that's just not going to happen.
Okay, you know, I've seen sections in the Quran that say what to do to Christians and Jews.
They're six of them.
You know, our country is based on freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
The Quran says nothing about that.
That is not supported.
So, they can't really support our U.S. Constitution.
Now, I've looked for imoms who have said, hey, I support the U.S. Constitution. Nothing. Nothing there.
One thing on rezoning,
there is the concern of wetlands, and I've bought property before, and U.S. wildlife, flew over and said, hey, you may have a wetland.
So it limits what you can do.
So I appear that needs to be a look at that.
I'd just say 1.2 million soldiers have given their lives
in this country to uphold the constitution
and try to give freedom to even nations that are under attack.
And they didn't give their lives
to bring people in who won't support the Constitution and I'm afraid Muslims will not.
Thank you.
So we appreciate what you gave us the stuff on the noise and the wetlands.
That's what we work with there.
Kevin Igley, then on deck is going to be Heidi Martinez and then after Heidi is going
to be Vee Doc Sublet.
Please take your name.
My name is Kevin Igley.
I'm from Broken Arrow and thank you for letting me speak.
A couple of things a lot of stuff has already been covered about the infrastructure, the call of the prayer of five times a day is a concern.
Is this mosque going to have a basement at all?
A basement?
That I mean that's not for us at all.
I mean we have a certain thing about that.
Did I understand correctly that the mosque will be 40,000 square feet in the retails like 20?
So it's basically a mosque first and then a retail second.
Well, actually there are two different locations if you remember the site mat the the mosque itself was on the East and and the
But on the same property. Yeah, okay, so so septic capability is your 100% we're going to have to do septic date. There's no place to tie it
Well, I think that we just talked about that a minute ago.
I mean, all right, so here's my concern one of the biggest one is and I've lived your 30 years is the traffic right at that turnpike
I look at Lynn Lane in Highway 51, and that's a quagmire, you know, a five clock.
I live off of 111th in the creek. Excuse me, I ask for an in the creek, and that is turning,
it's a great center, but it's going to be a quagmire. So, is infrastructure for traffic and that area being addressed.
And secondly, I want to talk about this, you know, it is culture and city planning, city council is responsible for culture.
And we need to understand that what I'm going to say is not politically correct, but it's
historically, historically correct.
And we need to really look at what we're allowing into our community and the effect it
has.
I've spent 20 years in military, lived overseas, Iceland, Italy, CIS, Germany, have
friends all in those areas still, and they are dealing with an Islamic problem that you
have no idea.
They addressed it about the ability to lie, to get their way, that is not a of what's
we're looking for.
It's a truth.
I don't know how else to say it.
I know that when Islam comes into a community, it's first peaceful, they give medical aid,
help aid, and then it begins to turn around, and then they get involved politically, and
they begin to take over communities.
reason I know that I have relatives in Minneapolis, have relatives in Duermond, Michigan and New York City.
And if you look at history, if you look at facts, facts or facts, and broken arrow is a wonderful community.
And people think, well, you're being prejudice. Listen, facts or facts, history is history.
Okay, the American Constitution is what we live by, and that alone.
And it will affect the queuing community, you are city planners.
Okay, not only are we building can't hurt you, but people can, and we need to stand up and take a look about what we're going to allow into the broken-hour community.
Our Constitution meant died for our right to stand up here and speak the truth.
I have a lot to say, it's been covered a lot, I don't want to waste everybody's time, I got like 15 seconds left, but I want to thank you for the opportunity.
but each and every one of you sitting here, your decision will affect this
community for years to come and people need to understand that. And I am tired
of political correctness, I'm tired of people trying to keep the bees to promote
a lie. Thank you very much.
I appreciate it because I appreciate what you're doing that's because you gave us a
step on the noise levels, white lands traffic, and septic. So we're actually here
some stuff we could work with here.
Okay. Next person up is Heidi Martinez, then we have VE Docs sublet after that and then on
deck after Doc is Angie Stevens.
Thank you. Thank you.
My name is Heidi Martinez. I have been a resident of Broken Arrow for 25 years. I also grew up in an
and Jewish neighborhood very close to Dearborn Michigan. I, for the last 22, 25 years, 22 of
these those years spent in Broken Arrow have been engaging with the Islamic community, Muslims,
and my dear friends at the mosque who are actually terrified to be here tonight. They were scared to
come because they thought somebody would hurt them and that the bigotry and the hatred that has
expressed on social media would endanger them in their families. I want to thank you for
this opportunity to share. I want to just express my own experience because that's all I have
is my own experience that my engagement with the Muslim community has been that they are very kind,
generous, charitable people who have offered their friendship not just to Muslims but to me as well
to my family. They have become part of my family and I have become part of theirs, even though
I follow Jesus and I'm very, very bold about that. This question here tonight is not about
Islam versus Christianity. This is the issue of rights. Freedom of religion is not just reserved
for one religion in the United States of America. I don't want my right to worship where I
to be taken away from me. People died and fought for that right.
Jesus loves Muslims and so do I, and he set to love your neighbor. These are my beloved neighbors and friends, and they deserve the same rights and respects and freedoms that I experience.
Who are we to take away basic human rights when so dear prices have been paid for us to worship the way we want to worship?
The spirit of America is to open our hearts and our arms to each other.
We don't have to agree.
We don't have to worship the same.
But I just implore you to please consider the fact that these are not those people.
They are us.
We are us.
It is not just one religion in this country.
It is not just one race or one type of person.
But I beg for you to see them as people with just the same desire that we would have
to worship near our home peacefully.
We are Oklahoma.
We are broken-arrowed people.
We are residents here that want a peaceful loving community,
and that includes inviting people over and
enjoying each other's company,
getting to know people that are different from us.
I have had nothing but a positive experience
in these last 22 years.
I have had so much love and loyalty and friendship
extended to me.
It hurts my heart to hear the things that are happening to me.
Thank you.
Okay.
Next up, BE doc sublet.
Then Angie Stevens will be on deck and then Linda Russell.
Minds short.
Thank you.
It's something new.
Right?
I have a pastor.
It's nice to be short.
Okay.
My name is Doc Sublet and I have concern not about the religion aspect or anything else.
I'm a tax paying broken error person and I know that we've purchased 90 acres with
tax payer money right across the street right across the highway there and the purpose of that
is to bring in economic development to that area and when you're bringing in economic development
what we're trying to do here is in this innovation district is bringing in high paying jobs
and high in customers and just for my personal experience, I'm owning several businesses over the years
to support my pastor habit. If I have a business and I have to look out across the road there
at a mosque, a big mosque or a big building, you know, it's not going to be easy to bring people
in to encourage people to come in and invest in our community in that area, which we have 90
acres we bought over there. It's a big deal. I know that I know that that's a small thing, but when you're
talking to people that have the opportunity to go anywhere they want to go to spend their money,
that could be a concern. So that's one of my main concerns is that we protect the investment that
as made in the 90-acre development over there, and it would give them every tool, the committee,
every tool they need, to be able to woo those people to get them to come here and invest in that area.
So, thank you. So, what about the church that's out there right now, is it the same thing with it?
Well, it's been there, how long? 50 years? Yeah, long time. Yeah. And it's not, this is, you're talking about,
They've asked for 740 parking spaces.
That's a 3,000 seat mosque.
That's a big building.
So you're saying that other church does it really have the impact on people?
You can't see it from a hat.
Right, right, right, right.
Actually, it doesn't look much like a church,
be honest with you, wouldn't you?
Do it.
It doesn't look much like a church when you're dead.
It doesn't look like a farmhouse.
All right, thanks.
Thank you.
I do have a quick question for staff as far as the commercial portion
since it's phased.
Can we give them a time limit with the specific use permit, as far as how soon they have to have that commercial portion built?
No, the use permit would only relate to the place of assembly.
So, I'm that Angie Stevens.
Thank you.
Angie Stevens, then Linda Russell is on deck, and then after Linda it will be Karen Harden.
Go ahead.
I moved to Broken Era recently from Tulsa and I didn't know all about this until yesterday and so maybe this is what I was supposed to have appeared is to come ask questions but as I understood they said they only have 50% of the money for their mosque is that correct?
that's what they, and maybe not 60% yes, that's what they have too.
So, you know, that casino that was supposed to be built and now it's like trash over
there across from the Votex Center, I don't want that near my home.
Also, I have a, I was a teacher, a school teacher kindergarten.
They said they have their meetings at 1 o'clock on Friday, is how long do those meetings
last?
Well, we'll give them a chance.
They can rebut that later.
Okay.
I'm concerned about school buses, parents picking up kids, trying to get out of the neighborhoods
because neighborhoods will eventually grow out there.
And if you have this huge facility and kids trying to get on home from hot buses
because our buses are not air conditioned, I'm concerned about that for our children too.
We're thinking in the future for planning. You guys are planning. So this is think, think, be on today.
I am very much opposed. I'm concerned about the noise. I know they say no noise, but I'm just very concerned.
So these are things that I'm concerned about.
But do you understand if there was any development outside whether it's a mosque or a church or anything like that,
in a chaotic church project, whatever that you would still have that traffic situation.
Just like you have that life church, just what east of there on the next two miles, over
I guess that.
Life church is not as large as that and they have the building, it's not that large.
So they have what life church is done.
They don't need a one-on-call in front of you either.
And they stagger their worship service, so they have several.
But my point was, what I was getting as look at closely are the turnpike, the entrance
and the same thing would be with this one here, whatever goes in there will be fairly close
to the turnpike.
On a private area.
That'll alleviate a lot of the traffic.
On a variety afternoon, when kids or parents are going to pick up kids, kids, it's a different
situation.
Sunday mornings, you're not having that problem, because people are, that's the main thing
they're doing, it's going to worship.
So it's a different, it's a whole different ballgame.
Well, we'll give them a chance to respond to this to see about the one clock to how long,
see what, what, what, what the time is.
I'm going to do one or two and then we're trying to get a kid.
You don't want to wait for him, right?
Okay.
I know.
Linda Russell is coming up.
I'm looking to get a list item for them talking about.
Karen Harten, on deck.
And then after Karen is Patricia Highland.
Good evening.
Nice to see you all.
Thanks so much for giving us the opportunity to speak up.
In the speech.
Yep.
They have never been accused of the softballies.
Thank you.
State your name, please.
Linda Russell.
Thank you.
And I guess my biggest one of my concerns was I'm still learning about this too.
I just found out about this not long ago, even though I was at the Tuesday night council meeting
and no one seemed to know about it.
I'm wondering about the level six that it's been designated as for a range of use.
My question is does a mosque have employment or commercial significance that would meet the requirements
of a level six. And it would appear that there is intensity involved by this plan development
that does not meet this comprehensive plan standard. The other things that I am concerned about
in terms of the zoning, that ordinance establishes a different development standards for assembly
and institutional uses based on sewer availability, which was mentioned earlier, including increased
minimum a lot area requirements when served by septic systems, rather than municipal sewer.
So even with that regard, I believe, like this should not go forward.
The ingress egress emergency access constraints, which I was really appreciative of the
aerial view to be able to demonstrate that clearly when I read that, the site plan in that
This aerial imagery demonstrates is the subject-track realized primarily on that frontage along
South 129 East Avenue for the ingress in the E-Crest with no clearly established secondary
access room.
I didn't hear anything about that tonight either.
The proposed commercial buildings and associated parking fields significantly increased
the traffic volume, fire apparatus access needs, and the emergency response demand.
So, that tracks proximity to the Haky Creek floodplain and emergency response demand, excuse me, and the emergency, the Creek term hike, right of way, further constraints access reliability during severe weather events, and the rezoning, of course, to the CG would permit development intensities that have not been shown to in comply, with the city's engineering design criteria, manual or the adopted international fire code requirements, for reliable fire apparatus access,
providing an independent basis to deny, the rezoning, and associated conditional use permit both.
Also for the onsite wastewater and lagoon regulatory constraints with the Oklahoma Administrative
Code 652, Chapter 641, governs onsite sewage treatment systems, the OAC252-1-3, requires onsite
sewage systems to meet minimum lot size, soil suitability and separation, distance standards
and limits systems to dispersal field or legumes. And then the 251-641-15-1 requires all sewage
legumes received septic tank, pre-treatment and operate as total retention systems subject
to strict. And then these state-level requirements significantly constrain that facility itself.
I oppose that. But see, you did your homework. You went down different paths and a lot of people.
So those are great things to mention, and that's good.
So seven things I might add, you know,
you're talking about like the suicide system.
I don't know whether they're going,
I thought I read there were going to go with a septic field
instead of a sewage lagoon.
So if they're going to go to a septic,
they'll have to do park tests and all that.
They'll have to meet the ODQ or AK stuff anyway on that.
So tonight, that's a good point though,
that tonight though, what we're looking at
is just a zoning and a condition-use permit.
But I think you were asking, if I caught that, right?
You went pretty fast.
Were you asking what else could go on a CG? Is that what you mentioned or I'm not sure if I'm sorry
What did you ask what else could be the reason from agriculture to commercial?
This EG did you ask what other kind of items would go in there? What kind of other?
I don't think they think that a mosque would be the level 6 the level 6 so the CG actually falls in the level 6
the comprehensive plan, it has a table that shows, okay, this is level six, based on the
land use intensity system, what kind of items can go in our categories, and the CG is one of them.
It has, I think, four or five that are permitted, if I remember.
But what you're asking is why is a mosque being put in there?
And the reason being is because they have the future retail component of there.
They want that CG for that retail, but they're not, they weren't looking at, I'm trying to figure out how to say this, the CG as a mosque.
What it falls in for the conditional use permit is the place of assembly correct, which could be a moose lodge, another church, it could be things like that.
So it could be a bunch of different things, not just the mosque itself, the conditional use permit could be used for other things too.
Yeah, okay.
Like said, but move storage or whatever.
Thank you.
I don't know if I answered it.
Well, I'll just kind of paraphrase and if the city can correct me if I'm wrong, if there
was no intent for a storefront or commercial development in the front of that facility,
then they could be submitting a conditional use permit only and not asking for a change in
zoning.
And so the reason why it's two separate things is the fact that they're wanting to in the future.
So now it's the time for them to do that during the planning portion.
So I hope that helps in training.
But also luxury that have been the retail, the frontage long olive is the tax dollars that
city broke in our gates.
Also it's going to be plated.
So we get the city gets the right of where it's way, so they don't have to go out and purchase
it to widen the 129th or olive street.
So there's a benefit for that too. Now, what they're going to put in the retail store, we have no idea.
It has gone that far through us.
All right, so Karen Harden's coming up Patricia Highland is on deck and then Billy Wyland after Patricia Highland.
But those are great comments on my deck.
Commissioners, thank you for this opportunity.
I believe the citizens of Broken Arrow on the ground.
Can you say your name please?
Karen Harden. Thank you.
The citizens of Broken Arrow and surrounding communities are concerned about the consideration
to reason this property due to several issues.
Of concern is that if you rezone it, you will have overruled your city's own comprehensive
plan due to the infrastructure limitations, floodplain, constraints, and public safety.
First, the current city infrastructure does not support it.
Ingress egress of traffic, water sewer septic issues, and a floodplain, as well as negating
the Department of Environmental Quality on-site,
waste, water, and lagoon regulatory constraints.
Others will address this more specifically.
But Chairman, you said that the issue of septic
shouldn't be a showstopper, but it actually should.
If it does not, and it seems like that the size of the buildings
that they are trying to build the number of people,
that the septic they would put in could not meet
the limitations that are there.
Yeah, and I thought what I asked him,
but if that it was not a showstopper,
I was confirmed at the end that he thought it was not a showstopper doing the septic
and septic and septic and septic and septic and septic.
No, I was saying it's not a showstopper.
I can't be a showstopper.
It can be.
But it's a big property out there in that floodplain.
The city's not going to let anybody.
We do need you agree. We do need to stay within state regulations. Okay.
Also, if it proved it would be preferential treatment and spot zoning, which violates the comprehensive plan.
The proposed rezoning of a specific phased commercial development concept seems to confirm that this request of rezoning is driven by a particular sight plan, rather than comprehensive re-evaluation of the surrounding area.
Approval would confer a parcel-specific benefit in consistent with existing zoning patterns and environmental constraints,
constituting preferential treatment without a corresponding public plan and justification.
The current broken air comprehensive plan provides long-range guidance.
It does not override infrastructure limitations, flood-playing constraints, or public safety considerations,
which we are hearing much about, all of which this rezoning would do.
The requested zoning certainly seems to exceed what is reasonably supported at this location given existing environmental and utility conditions.
Why would you approve rezoning for a structure and then try and create road sewer ingress egress when it clearly isn't there?
Approval of this rezoning would establish precedent for similar requests along their corridor incrementally eroding greenway and flood plain protections.
The cumulative effect of such approvals would undermine long-term stormwater management, infrastructure planning, and environmental stewardship.
Isn't it true that consideration of precedent and cumulative impact is of legitimate, legitimate factor in legislative, zoning decisions?
And if so, then why is this going to be ignored?
If you approve it here, you have to approve it elsewhere.
And I think we've already seen the spot zoning preferential treatment given to the casino at 1111.
We saw how that turned out.
The safety issues are of absolute concern when the North American Islamic Trust,
which this land has been deemed and discussed in 2007 as one of 246 and organizations that
were unindicted in the co-conspirators and joint ventures in federal prosecution.
Now I say unindicted because they were named as a terrorist, but that is under debate.
But we do have to consider that.
So what you're doing, you went really well for two events and 50 seconds of whatever
take up the last part, because all of that was relevant to what you were saying in what
you were saying in what you were saying in what you were saying in what you were saying is relevant
to whether it's a mosque or a Catholic church or anything like that. So that's good to what you
were saying and present to us. Thank you. So I'm not sure if I'm going to buy off on that, but I mean,
it's in the comprehensive plan for the C3. If you go to the comprehensive plan, you'll see it
and spot zoning for the casino and we saw how well that works.
Okay, I can't answer about the C now, yeah.
Okay, so coming up is Patricia Highland, Billy Willand,
and then on deck after Billy is gonna be Randy Pervatt.
Thank you, thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the board.
I do have a handout that I can give you after my three minutes.
Okay, please tell me.
Okay, please state your name.
My name is Patricia Highland for the record.
I want to address in a stand-in opposition to the requested zoning change, not on a religious
spaces, not on anything I live a mile from this property.
And if you drive by there every day, it is a bottleneck.
There is no egress or ingress to that property.
There's no access on this side, on the south side, there's no access on the north side,
the south side or the back side where the floodplain is, you can't even get in and out of their now.
Now, are we going to come back around and ask the taxpayers to pay for improvements to make that suitable no way?
No way.
And I want, I have addressed in this four-page document, the legal reasons why we should be opposed
and giving you guys the reasons why we should vote no.
The legislative standard in burden of proof has not been met.
The floodplain and greenway constraints are not met.
The municipal authorities, the infrastructure and utility limitations are horrendous.
The broken arrow zoning ordinance,
and specifically the ingress and egress that was alluded to earlier
and the emergency access have you driven out to that property and walked it and looked at it?
I feel for the people that want to build on it.
They got a pig in a poke.
Somebody sold them a pig in a poke.
Now, that property.
There's not parking.
What are they going to do?
Best them from across the street in the deep-funk casino slash events center.
And let him park over there. There's no room for parking. That all we heard from the attorney from
Out of state in Texas and an entity from Out of state purchases property, they, the North American alliance said
Islamic alliance purchased it. There's not room for parking for a birthday party on that spot.
I challenge you to go out there and listen to what was said tonight and let me tell you when the Afghan
Refugees came our church was involved. I took a family over to worship at the mosque every time they were called to prayer
I set up an apartment through a committee in my church for them. This has nothing to do with that
This has everything to do with I live a mile away, and it is not sustainable
run off groundwater, you name it, and it's addressed right here, and I have a copy for all of you.
Thank you.
Okay.
So Billy Wyland's coming up, Randy Pervatt, on deck, and then after Randy is James Giller.
Thank you.
Go ahead.
Hello, my name is Billy Wyland.
I'm going to give this first part by simply saying,
the last three ladies at Spoke. I'd like to reiterate in a second as if
repeating verbatim herein. But Rukutsado Naya Ovala, a new milk at Lomb,
less than be Lord Adonai Yahweh, who was an isn'tist to come
masterking in the universe. I'm sharing a ton of the suck. We've been
not live. I've healed my new home in Lila. Who gives you the ability to
distinguish between light and dark, day and night truth and untruth in
Hashemia Shua. When I took my birthright trip to Israel in the summer of 2010,
I was walking through the old city of Jerusalem.
I was wearing my kippa.
I wasn't looking to make a statement.
I wasn't provoking anyone.
I was just walking, just breathing in the land of my father's.
At some point without realizing it,
I wandered into the Muslim quarter,
a Muslim area that had been resowned in the old city.
A Muslim orphanage.
There, but it doesn't little children there.
It just three to six years old.
They were kicking a soccer ball around laughing,
playing, just being kids.
and then they saw me and everything stopped. The ball dropped. They picked up little sticks from
the ground and all of them every single one of them ran toward me and these tiny little
children began striking my legs with their sticks chanting over and over. Sura, Sura, Sura,
Sura, Sura. On one level it was almost comical, like Gulliver surrounded by
Putin's little hands, little voices, little sticks, but another level of broke me because what I was
witnessing wasn't childish, mischief. It was learned hatred. These precious children before they
could read, before they could reason, before they could choose that already been trained to see me,
not as a man, not as a neighbor, not even as a human being, but as an enemy dog to be beaten.
Not because of anything I had done, not because who I am as a person, but because I am a Jew.
That moment marked me. It planted grief in my soul and prayer at that very same time.
And to this day I pray not with hatred, not with vengeance, but with tears and love from Yeshua.
The sons of Ishmael would one day I pray, love their own children enough to stop teaching them to hate me, to hate my people, and to hate America.
Scripture is clear about whether responsibility lies, it does not rest on the children, it
rests on the parents, it rests on the leaders, and it rests on those who shape parts
before those hearts can defend themselves, trying to put child in the way they should go, and
when they're old, they will not depart from it. This is our mandate, and we will be judged
for it, not by each other, but by God Almighty, Yehovah. Those children in the yoltsin
they were not my enemies. I pray for them. And I pray you turn down the stone and ordinance
option.
Thank you.
Okay, we need Randy Pervatt. James Giller. Giller is, or James Giller is on deck. And then after
James Allen Jackson.
Good evening. I'm Randy Pervatt. I live in Broken Arrow for over 30 years. I absolutely
I hope you'll take a lot of where everybody has said in a consideration this evening because I'm going to come from a little bit of a different angle.
I did five years in the Middle East as a civilian contractor.
I've lived among those people.
And I lived on the third four of an apartment.
For five years, five times a day starting at Son of a blasted their prayer call out to my apartment.
But I'm an American now, and I don't want to put up with it here.
I don't really think you guys can stop them from putting those speakers up.
It hasn't stopped them in a lot of other towns and places.
I just don't think it's going to happen.
The doctors said earlier this evening, they will lie to you to get their way.
I experienced that like you would not believe over the five years I was over there with
those people.
They will never tell you the truth if they have to.
They always don't like to you to get their way.
To give you guys, because you haven't lived it like I lived it,
to give you guys a real example of what it's like to put up with that.
Imagine this, we all love our tornado sirens, we have don't we?
They're here to protect us.
Can you imagine that same siren went off every morning at Sunlight
and went off at Sunset and three times in between that?
all day you get fed up with it you'd move out of the area and that's my point if you guys can't stop the
pericles that stuff will travel with two miles at six o'clock in the morning it's quiet then
you will have people leave your area I'll be one of the first I've I've lived it and I'm not going to put
up with it I don't care if they have a church what I care about is I don't want them to in
fringe upon my rights, and I don't care about your noise ordinance either.
They're not going to cut it.
They're still going to infuriate and piss people off, and then you're going to have a problem.
And I am blown away that a loss is even going to be trying to be situated right next
to a Christian church.
That blow is my mind, because I live with those people for five years, but my big thing
to you is the noise, that's my complaint, and what are we doing about the runoff, 750 cars
and a parking lot?
That's more than Walmart's parking lot.
Where's all that water going to go?
They'll be required to have onsite storage
to control the runoff that's going outside.
That would be taken place during the engineering
during the design of it, but the city of Broken Arrow,
and they will not increase the runoff going upstream,
in-date people upstream or downstream.
How could they do it?
Broken Arrow stop the loudspeakers.
How can you add the loudspeakers?
I was talking about the runoff that did the great of it.
That was just one of my questions.
Another question was, how are we going to stop the speakers?
Well, that's what I mentioned earlier.
and that's why I asked about the application.
I think they'll like to you.
They proven that to me for five years,
they'll like you to get what they want.
Yeah, good.
And I also feel like they're only putting the commercial property
in this so you guys will approve the property
because it's tax dollars.
Raise my taxes and get rid of that.
We don't want it.
Raise our taxes to get rid of that.
We'd all gladly pitch in three, four, five hundred dollars
a year more to get rid of that.
I don't want it, my neighborhood.
I don't think anybody else here does either.
All right, thanks.
Thank you.
Okay.
So coming up is James or James Giller, Alan Jackson, and then on deck after Alan Jackson is
Carla Morris.
My name is James Gillis.
I thank you for allowing me to speak tonight as your own policy stage.
You don't have to respond.
We have a right to speak.
It has been duly noted that this council has been totally biased.
not once has any comments been made for anybody who was in favor of this proposal as a
condescending statement that it wasn't relevant to the Zoning Commission and the
planning. Now one time was that done tonight and also their condescending
statement was that we found all this stuff on Facebook and social media clicks.
Some people have actually done their homework, read the Quran, read the Hadiths, we understand
what the religion of Islam says, it renews the day, a town in Michigan whose entire city
council is Islamic. They voted to have animal sacrifice. If you don't believe me, look
on social media, Google it. They are now doing animal sacrifice in a city in Michigan
because they're Islamic city council members. Just like the mayor of Dearborn, Michigan,
be rated a U.S. citizen, a constituent of that city, told the individual,
we don't want you in this city. I would be glad when you leave this
City, I will rejoice and dance when you leave this city. It is called cultural jihad. They come in. Nice, easy, quiet, cooperative, and they would stone and kill a metropolitan community church if it tried to open up an Yemen.
They would stone and throw off the rooftop a transgender if the transgender tried to come and cry before a city council.
And so they come in easy quiet.
His cultural jihad, all of their religions, whether it be Shea or Sunni, they all agree in one thing.
the establishment of Sharia Law and they want the Sharia Law every woman in
favor tonight would be stone for not wearing a burka. They would be castigated
beaten with rods. They would be thrown in a pit. We've seen it before and we know
what this religion does. Thank you for your time. Thank you.
Okay so next up is
on Jackson after Allen Jackson is Carla Morris and then after Carla on deck is it looks
like Caleb Mitchell on here, it's said about supporting information, material, and I passed
it out.
Sure.
Then we won't have time to read it where you're talking.
Well actually we're not the city council anyway, we're the planning commission.
My name is Allen Jackson.
This is a notice to the Broken Arrow Planning Commission on the Islamic Center site.
Notice the age and is knows the principle.
Notice the principles and notice the age and I, Alan Jackson, one of the people that
have seen in the Oklahoma State Constitution Republican informed, Suri Juris, to present you
this notice by necessity for your, you and your age and to take immediate due care.
No on the Islamic Center, property zoning change.
Please take notice that.
The Oklahoma State is a common law state and at the Christian religion's part of the common
law that men and women are born free and equal and have certain natural, essential and
absolute rights that they are endowed by their creative with certain enabler rights, see
evidence below the Oklahoma Constitution preamble, invoking the guidance of Almighty God in
order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty to secure just and rightful government
To promote the mutual welfare and happiness, we, the people of state of Oklahoma,
Doris, Dane, and Establishist Constitution, maximum of law.
The Christian religion is part of the common law, maximum of law.
That which is against divine law, is repugnant to society and is void.
The Northwest Ordinance, 1787, that we are hereby ordained and declare they are by authority.
The compact between the original states, the people and the states and the territories.
And Oklahoma was the territory.
The habitats of the territory shall at all times be entitled to these benefits, proceeding
according to the course of common law.
Whenever any state shall be admitted into the United States on equal footing with the original
states and all aspects and respects whatsoever.
Oklahoma Constitution Article 2, Bill of Rights, Section 1, all political powers inherited
in the people.
And the government's instituted for our benefit, our protection, the extremely protection
security and benefit to promote the general welfare.
The definition of a common right, black's law forth, a right that pertains and provides, excuse me,
that a right applied to rights, privileges, immunities,
a pertain to and enjoyed all by all citizens equally in common,
and they have their foundation in the common law.
Maxim of law, all political powers inherent in the people by decree of God,
thus none exist except derived from them.
Maxim of law, the main object of your garments for protection,
preservation of personal rights, private property, public liberty, and upholding the law of God.
Virginia Constitution art, Bill of Rights, section 15, that no free government, nor the blessings
of liberty can be served to any people, but by a frequent occurrence to fundamental principles,
and that free government rest as does all progress upon the broadest possible diffusional knowledge,
as agents and servants and trustees of the people. Vote no, this notices sent to you in the peace
and with the love of Christ so that you may provide
do care for those who have all political power, the people.
Thank you.
Okay.
Next is Carla Morris.
On deck is cable cable.
I just found out about it.
Your commerce issue will come documented.
Thank you.
Yes, thank you.
On deck will be Caleb Mitchell and then after Caleb will be Ralph McClendon.
Go ahead.
Hello, my name is Carla Morris.
I appreciate this opportunity to speak with you very much, and I am excited to see that the
Constitution is being upheld tonight, and that people are speaking freely from their heart,
as well as they've done the research, Ditto on the ones who brought up the overloading
of the sewerage system and the noise factor and people who have actually lived in societies
where this type of mosque operates.
Dido, you know, thank you for doing your research.
What I want to say is I want to bring up something that no one's brought up.
It's already agriculture, you know.
And we need more farming.
We do, I mean, why are our president has brought up
that we need to stop foreign countries
from buying property in our communities, okay?
And why we would even let Islamic into our country
and all, and for is beyond me, 493. I don't know if you know it,
most across this nation. All they have to do is, all they have to do is just send a text.
It's time to take over America. That's all they have to do. So why are we even
considering putting another mosque in this area and all of these people are saying no we don't
want it. They're even saying we'll pay more we'll pay more taxes if this is the
problem we'll pay more taxes whatever it takes but we're not going to let our rule
community turn into a mosque where we have what we don't have what we move to a
community for. We don't have privacy. We don't have that quiet peacefulness. You know,
if you live in a neighborhood, you put up with a little more noise. You put up with people walking
in front of your property. When you're out on egg reach, you don't have that. You have,
you have your five acres. You know, and nobody gets to trespass. You know, this is what these people are
after that leave there. Okay? And so I just, I don't get it. Why would we even consider it?
Why are we letting our nation be taken over by Islam when we're over in Israel, fighting
to help, to stop this radicalism? Thank you. Thank you. All right, Caleb Mitchell.
Then Ralph McClendon, on deck and then after Ralph will be Mark Smith.
Hello, my name is Caleb Mitchell, thank you for the opportunity to speak. I would like to address
a couple of the concerns that have been brought up by several of the speakers this evening. In
reference to the noise complaints that you may get, it would be no different than the church bells
that ring in the Roses District every hour and every half hour.
Folks, please, it is as simple as that on, and sorry, my heart is racing right now because
I am seeing the beauty and the ugly of my community.
I will be living half a mile from this facility and I could not be happier to welcome another
group of faith.
and I would be standing here in favor of any faith.
Whether that be Christian, Muslim, Islamic, Indian,
I can't even speak Hindu.
That's what I meant.
All deserve the rights.
And then coming before us to ask to build in our community
should speak to our community and have itself.
Because most of the countries that I'm
But ingress egress, big words, they would be the same sort of issue for any sort of development
that goes in there.
Across the street, there is a event center that has ingress egress issues.
If you've ever seen somebody try to leave that place, it's crazy.
Any sort of building in that area is going to have pain and growing pains.
And as I drive by that corner twice a week, or twice a day, five days a week to take my
Sunday school, it needs to be addressed, but not in the fact that it would be a cause for
concern for this mosque.
I hate the comments that are being spoken this evening.
And I just wish those who are here to represent the mosque.
I look forward to having you as a neighbor and welcome to Broken Arrow.
All right.
Okay.
Ralph McClendon.
Then Mark Smith on deck.
And then after Mark Smith, Chris Jacobson.
My name is Ralph McClendon.
I was raised in Broken Arrow.
I graduated from Broken Arrow.
I was still more years ago than I like to admit.
I'm pretty old.
Anyway,
I have no people with this modic place, so I'm going to be a very good friend of mine.
They're not all bad.
I mean, they're just as much different than them as their different secretions.
They have their, they're not all bad people.
There are some of the who are and their Bible with the Quran,
since it's okay to kill anybody as an Israel.
And then Bill is anybody that doesn't believe the same way they do.
They're not beyond burning it out of Christian churches.
They think it's supposed to them.
They also have an engineer, if he's listening to the invite of the ones over in Michigan,
they said, we will try peacefully, first, but if necessary, we will go by force.
They have found caches of ammunition and automatic weapons and some of these miles.
We don't want that in Brooklyn, I don't think they do it.
I don't think so.
So we have a chance to keep this from going up, even this level.
Now this has nothing to do with the land and all that.
But we have a chance to say no to it and if we don't do it now that I would hope we do it on the building permits.
But I would encourage this not let us not be built because I think we will suffer adverse reactions later on.
And it's been said, if you vote something in, but if it's wrong, you may have to shoot your way out.
That's why I think I encourage this not let us think we will be built.
Thank you.
Hey, Mark Smith, thank Chris Jacobson on deck and after Chris Jacobson, low stall.
So Mark Smith.
Appreciate your patience.
No problem.
Please state your name.
Looks like we're here all night.
Mm-hmm.
My name is Mark Smith, 40 years living in broken air.
Commissioners, you all have experience dealing with government entities like the sovereign
Creek Nation and their KELIGI tribe.
Today, a similarity, but in this situation,
it involves the Islamic society of Tulsa.
Just like in the past, there are two plans
and two unique self-serving interests that
are in conflict concerning this property.
The BA next comprehensive plan is our city growth plan
with many strict and forced ordinances.
The A next is a secular plan for growth.
The Islamic Society of Tulsa Plan is stated in their constitution, and I quote,
the aims and purposes of the IST shall be to serve the best interest of Islam
in the greater Tulsa area, to enable Muslims, to practice Islam as a complete way of life.
This identifies the Islamic Society of Tulsa as an Islamic Dean.
A Dean is complete submission and obedience scholar covering all aspects of life including
religion, social, political, economic and legal systems, guiding community and state.
The IST falsely presents itself sometimes as a religion rather than a Dean.
This is an effort to create political sympathy forism that is felt by the City Commission and Council members who are placed in a difficult position to avoid being labeled Islamophobic or being put at risk of violating federal discrimination laws.
Two plans, one secular and one way of
Life. But heads, at this proposal to build a moss center in Broken Arrow, they do not mix well for it all.
In the proposal shows the mosque to include a 2700 square foot future retail center. Question,
would a Catholic or Baptist or a Jewish bookstore be allowed to sign a lease to operate in the moss
retail center. How about a small cafe that serves a traditional breakfast menu? Who enforces rental
lease policies at this retail center? How will the city enforce noise ordinances at the mosque?
Five calls to prayer every day will be heard at the Forge Innovation District, TTC, churches,
neighborhoods, Eland Park, elementary schools, apartment complexes, and a golf course.
Why would the B.A. next comprehensive plan allow revenue, rentability, and property
values to diminish?
I'm almost done in the most.
The Islamic Society of Talsas associated with care designated to terrorist group by the
states of Texas.
We're going to have to explore it.
And before that, how much do you actually have?
We've got two sentences.
Okay, good. Different differing neighborhood dynamics, tensions between cultures, tenant turnover, noise pollution, increased traffic and parking issues, do you want to attract more citizens to this part of B.A. or not? Please vote no, on both issues. Thank you. Okay, so if I don't set you, I'm sorry. No, I'm fine. If I don't set you off, then everybody else will add a minute to make whatever so we can do that.
next up is Chris Jacobson then both stall on deck and after Bo Linda M.
Thank you
commissioners for allowing me to speak and also for what all you do. I'm here
as a name please. Oh, I'm sorry Chris Jacobson. I live at roughly 131. You
don't have to say you're at it. And 129. I'm trying to give you a
relative thank. Okay. So I live on 15 acres have been here 31 years. Okay. My
concern is the septic sewage aspect.
The issue I have is the Parker Oak Grove was built to the north
me on 88 acres, and I live on the 15 acres south of it.
They don't have sewages, we all know, so they have anaerobic systems out there.
When I moved here 31 years ago, I could go anywhere on my property.
I could not go into south into my property because of all the water that's come out of
these anaerobic systems.
So, if you go back to the picture, where the mosque is going to be built, it's on the high ground.
And that's where the park is going to be.
That's going to be a parking lot.
You're not going to park a parking lot.
Where I live is the old riverbank.
So, on the south side of my property, it's very poor.
On the north side of my property is the overbank.
And I'm a control engineer, so I know a little bit about this.
that dirt up air is like top and bottom. Nothing so extreme. So what I'm concerned about is you're
creating a major drainage problem for the people that are down-depth south of that property. I mean I'm
really being serious here. Second thing. This is the most we'll need to.
We saw the dupe, the purpose
of the events center. That was going to be a steakhouse. And then the steakhouse was going to have
gambling machines. And that the Muscogee nation had to intervene for two years and take control
of that property. So it's not like we haven't had this issue before. Saying thing on the North
West side. That's the South West side of that on the North West side. The city of Broken Arrow had
intervene to stop that casino being built there. So again, guys, we've seen this before. So
for a little sensitive, there's a reason. Okay, third bank, traffic. In the mornings, we back
up past the cemetery. In fact, we back up to where the old peach house was. Some of us love that place.
But my point to you is the city, all of us when used to look like all of, it was one lane.
And the city had to foresight to widen that out, and now look at the development we have over there.
This is premature. We're going to have another exacerbated traffic problem.
And in my concern is, why would we want a mosque taken up this land when we could have commercial
development at the appropriate time when we have the facilities?
And I'm out of the space.
Thank you.
Okay.
Next up.
install after Bo, Linda M on deck, and after Linda John McCabe.
Good afternoon. My name is Bo. I've been married 41 years. I have eight children six
of which are adopted. I am a disabled vet. I chose Tulsa County to raise my children. My
youngest is eight years old. I am here to ask you to consider what you're doing. Yes,
This is a coding issue and the reason I'm asking you to consider this as a coding issue I grew up in Saudi Arabia.
I've been in over 40 countries.
My husband and I oversee over 5,000 ministries worldwide.
Most of them are in Muslim countries.
I've been in Afghanistan, Pakistan, UAE, Qatar,
Sudan, Uganda.
Congo, I've seen refugees. I've seen pastors who body have been cut up. I've seen Muslims
who have been chopped up and killed and murdered. Yes, this is a code issue. It takes a
see to create great oaks and it takes good men to do nothing to create create great
evils. This is a beautiful town and we've chosen to relocate from Alaska to live
here and make this home. We did not come here to bring our children to a
I've lived in Saudi Arabia. I grew up there. I heard the call of prayer five times a day and you say it won't happen here, but it will.
I've heard the lies. I've heard I've lived it.
Please consider the coding. There are codes to stop this.
I've learned firsthand. I've seen the women. I've seen the child abuse of marriage. I've healed. I've hid women in my home from the abuse.
I've hit men to get out of the country from being honored killed.
I've lived it firsthand.
This is not what we want in Tulsa.
This is not what we want in Broken Arrow,
or in Oklahoma, or in the United States of America.
We are a land of the free and home of the brave.
Do not give up our freedom so easily.
for it has been fought with a heavy price,
stand for freedom, freedom for all people but
protect it with your lives for so many of us have.
Thank you.
Okay, coming up is Linda M on deck is John McCabe and after John McCabe, Tammy Keifer.
I'm here.
Thank you for having us come and be able to share what's going on.
I am an awarding minister.
Please, please, please, I am an awarding minister.
And I am a person.
And that's mainly why I'm here tonight.
I've been wanting to do your name.
I've been wanting to do all of you.
Please, thank you.
I've been wanting to talk to the City Council too.
And all of the police force.
We do have some, we do have some, we do have some.
police that are interested in this, but John Guandola.com, you need to find out more information
there.
They will come and train you to see what's going on.
But the FBI released in 2014,
2019, the explanatory memorandum on general strategic goals for
the Brotherhood in North America.
They are tied to every mosque of the North American Islamic Society.
It says, this is an actual document used in the courts, the process of settlement of civilization,
the Equan, which is the Muslim Brotherhood, must understand that their work in America is
a kind of grandgeod in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and
sabotaging it's miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated.
And God's, our all is religion, is made victorious over all of the religions.
Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves to geod yet.
It is a Muslim's destiny to perform G-Hod and wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.
This is from Muhammad Akram, the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1991, is when they put this together.
This is done known by the president. That's why he's working so hard to to stop this now and it's not that we don't love you
Man, you have to address us. We have to learn to live in peace together and and stop lying to the governments and you need to
Man, you need to talk in my phone. So we get it on record. Not everybody is
Radicalized
But if they follow Sharia, they will be, and they train their kindergarten kids to wave swords and kill Christians and Jews.
This is on video, this is from the FBI. So get training John Gondola, G-U-A-N-D-O-L-O-L-O.
get your officers trained. It's coming and they have a mandate right now. That's why this is being built.
They have a mandate to move out from Michigan, New York, Texas, they're coming and see they're trying to kick them out of Texas.
So a lot of them are wanting to come up here too. It is a G.
Thank you.
Take heart to that.
John Gondola.com.
Thank you.
And this friend.
Next.
He was a former president.
He's he knows everything.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
John the K.
Then Tammy.
Keefer on deck.
And then after Tammy.
Carimi.
Can any chairman commission.
Thank you.
I'm a top.
My name is John the K.
I've been broken out for over 25 years.
the county of Tulsa for over 45.
First thing I want to address has to do with the sewage issue.
I like to know what floodplain that that track of land is.
That a hard year flood plan.
Well, I'm sure it's I'm sure the blue stream I'm sure it's got a floodplain.
It's got a hundred year and it's got a 500 year on it.
So I would have to ask the engineering.
All that I can tell.
And the reason being is we live in Oklahoma and we know that
your foot plans have in every 20 years or less. Keep that in mind. Whatever you do, make sure
it makes a five-year standard that they're going to have surface roll off from their waste
one. There's requirements they had to go by state federal. That's one issue. The second issue
has to do with disturbing the peace. Okay, and I know they talked about saying their prayers
will get outside of the four walls of your mouth, or shortly of their mouth.
Anyhow, I would like to let everybody know that the City of Broken Arrow just updated
their section 1612 disturbing the peace, adding a new subsection addressing noise.
And the bottom line of that is
they have amended it so that noise can exceed excessive limit
for up to 10 minutes.
So that means if a mid-rad or outside communication devices are put up, they could say they're
prepared for up to 10 minutes by casting out, we say, three hour yards and three hour
feet in the residential area, it doesn't address the management or local churches.
And so unless you're all going to put something in the document, stating that for 99 years
no outside, mid-ret or speaker system will be allowed, fine. Keep that in mind. If you
don't put that in there, then at five years now, if that mask is built, they're going
to be back here asking for that mid-ret. Okay, the second thing I want to address has to
do with Sharia law.
That says all politics is local.
Here I am local.
Sharia law is the political arm of the Muslim place.
It is not there.
Religious.
Even though they don't separate it, our constitution and the state does. So it's a real law, it's a political arm and a Muslim faith and it's not empowered with our United States constitution.
Regardless of what Oklahoma courts have ruled, this country is ruled by the people and for the people, not just for the courts.
Our Constitution is based on God's law, through the founders,
because there's a covenant with God himself.
God has the final say, it will be careful how you rule,
because if you rule against our covenant,
Constitution, we have a God like Israel has,
then you're going to guess what God wants.
Thank you. Thank you for your time.
Okay, Tammy Kiefer, then Carmen Carimi,
And then, Jamie, the tell.
Good evening.
My name is Tammy Kiefer.
I'm a retired veteran.
I have over 20 years of active duty experience,
and I was on active duty during Afghanistan and Iraq.
My question to you that I don't think anybody has brought forward is
The North American Islamic Trust or Nate is part of a network of organizations, including the ISNA,
C-A-I-R, and the MSA.
They work in concert to push the extreme sector of Islam within the United States.
The North America Islamic Trust or Nate, sorry,
serves Muslims in the United States and
their institutions.
Nate facilities, facilitates the realization of the American Muslims desire for a
Sharia compliant way in my training in the military.
I have had I was forced to learn how to wear the headdress.
I'm Christian.
I was forced by my chain of command to comply with Sharia law.
In case I had to leave my forward observation base.
I'm a Christian.
I was being forced under their Sharia law to wear the headdress.
They took away my rights because I was in their country.
What happens if they use Sharia law here?
I'm walking down the street.
I'm a Christian.
My son is Jewish.
What happens then? Am I going to be forced to wear the head dress? Am I going to be forced in the United States to wear a hijab?
I have lots of military members in my community. Do you know how much trauma they will have by listening to the Call of Prayer five times a day?
We served our country. We retired from our country. We want to live in peace and quiet.
Okay, so my first question is, under this Nate,
okay, isn't the CIR designated as a terrorist organization through both Texas and Florida?
That's a problem. Are you going to require forensic accounting of all their assets?
the
second one is, I don't think it should be here. This is a Christian country, they should not be here.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for serving our country.
All right. Next up is, I think it's Cameron, Karimi, and then Jamie Vittel on deck after that, and then John Huffins.
I appreciate the opportunity to stand before you and share for a few minutes.
Please state your name. I'm Cameron. Thank you.
I want to bring a different perspective on this.
Good, thank you.
That we, I live in Tulsa.
I've been here since 1982.
I came to America 47 years ago.
Leaving a nation that we've all heard about for past 47 years,
about what the atrocity they've caused around the world.
Iran.
Okay?
I make no mistake about what we're doing right here.
Absolutely make no mistake.
What we are hearing and I thank God for every one of our
servicemen here and the veterans that have spoken and the
believers that have spoken about this.
I say this because this whole Islamic mosque.
It's not about worship.
It's about a statement.
It's about inducing fear
fear in the community, which is the root of Islam.
Now I love my brother.
He's my brother.
I've given my life to Christ to serve the Muslims and bring the truth to them for 35 years
as a pastor and I always say this, once you experience Jesus Christ and see him, you'll never be
You may discuss it in the market.
As I said, once any of you, if you haven't, see Jesus, you'll never be the same.
That's what happened with this boy.
I was in business very successful, and the proof of the pudding is in the eating, right?
So we say the reality is when you experience this experience of Christ, you're willing
to let it go.
Let everything go and follow him. Now, I say that for this reason, this whole thing in a practical way
if you look at it, as I said, this whole thing is about a statement. If you don't believe
me watching news, watch their news. Watch what just happened last week. Now, I'm not calling
my brother that, because I, but just looking at him, I don't believe that's the case about him.
I really, don't, I have great Muslim friends. Like I said, I came from my Muslim background.
The reality is this, this whole thing that we're talking about here, I'm going to read this to you.
The North American Islamic Trust, we've heard several times on this on this.
You need to check the finances, where the Lord told me this yesterday, follow the money's well.
If you don't, you know what happens, once they become majority, they'll have your position.
And they'll basically give orders to do whatever they wanted it.
Thanks. Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, so Jamie, it's out, thank you for fixing that.
John happens on deck and then Robert Easton on deck.
Hello, my name is Jamie Pazell.
I'm a little part because I've been here for a couple of hours without any water.
I am here to oppose this, to protect the future of my children and please bear with me
was at Explan. I know you guys are shooting down the religion aspect of it. Oh, thanks.
Thank you.
Anyways, I have three minutes.
The mosque does not fit with the city's comprehensive plan and should therefore be go to
down it.
And I'm going to go into the religion aspect of this.
In the 70s, women in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan were as free as we are in America today.
we were free to dress and speak with freedom as I stand here speaking to each and every one of you.
There is a reason Europe is taking precautions to protect Christian-like celebrations when masks
seem to be untouched. We are the peaceful and the are the threat. In summary, Sharia Law says
they will not assimilate but they will dominate takeover and anyone who stands in the way will need to die.
The ironic part is those who stick up for this are often liberal who go against everything
this religion practices and with their law would die of stoning thrown from a high place
burned alive and so on. Things they still practice to this day and ex-Muslim has said,
you love the chicken, help the chicken, you feed the chicken until it's time to cut off its head.
That is the way of Hishorella. They play the part then breed and dominate if you don't believe me.
Read the Quran.
While some can construe the words of the Bible Christians do not actually harm their followers or otherwise,
I'd like, I'd also like to shine light on the Nigerian people and the slaughter of their people.
Where is the news on that?
There's silent between 2009 and 2023 in Nigeria, at least 52,000 Christians killed 18,500
abducted and unlikely to have survived, and more than 20,000 churches and Christian schools attacked.
Again, where's the news on that?
No.
I will not say silent while the great state of Oklahoma gets destroyed, like the many countries
and most recently the state of Michigan has.
Thank you, and also I would like to say that I was just out.
in the area of the hall and my friend was approached another individual and just wanted
to communicate with him and ask him questions and she is she's Jewish and Arab and the
Palestinian individual became quite aggressive so I just wanted to put that out there.
Thank you.
Okay, so up next is John Huffins.
On deck Robert Easton and after Robert Gary Geiger.
Thank you, John Huffins.
Thank you chair and commissioners for this opportunity to speak.
I'm here to respectfully support keeping this approximately 15-acre track
sound agriculture to
remain agriculture and to emphasize that the land itself holds significant value in its open form,
often greater than whatever might be placed on it. Open land is not an empty space awaiting use.
It is a working asset within the city's planning framework.
Agricultural zoning preserves land in a condition that supports special balance, providing
relief from over-concentration and allowing development to occur in a measured, intentional
pattern.
This balance strengthens the overall land-use structure and supports long-range planning.
Equally important, open land performs essential natural functions that developed land cannot
replicate. In its open form, land absorbs stormwater, supports a natural drainage
pattern, supports a natural draining patterns, and contributes to groundwater
recharge. These processes reduce run-off and downstream impacts and help
protect infrastructure and environmental systems beyond the boundaries of this
parcel. Once the land is rezone and developed, these intrinsic values are
predominantly reduced.
Even well-designed development cannot fully restore the natural performance of open land,
preserving agricultural zoning protects these benefits today, while maintaining options
for the future.
This designation affirms an important planning principle that land has enduring value beyond
immediate development potential.
In many cases, the land itself open, functioning, and balanced, contributes more to the
area than additional structures would.
For these reasons, I respectfully ask the Commission to recommend keeping an
current agricultural zoning in place.
I have provided a written statement for the record.
Thank you for your time and service.
And strength for you all for the rest of the night.
Thank you.
Okay, coming up is Robert Easton, on deck is Gary Geiger, and after Gary is D.D.
Malayar, I believe is the way to say that.
Hi, my name is Robert Easton, I've been in the community here in Broken Arrow in Tulsa
for 26 years as a paramedic, worked at like 5-9 years in Tulsa Tech, I just recently retired
to go actually volunteer in Israel Army was over there when the war started.
Understand, things about the whole issue with Islam, and I was over there when the war started,
and the communities right next to Gaza, they were very progressive, wanted to do everything
they could do to relate with Gaza, they had them in their homes, found out that they were
casing their homes, getting things ready for attack. You have to understand that to people
who are in Islam, anybody who is not of Islam is an infidel and they don't treat them as
They don't think of them as humans and I've watched that experience that and you know even in this community as a
Parametric instructor teaching terrorism
had a
film that was approved by my supervisor
Sold from me because it was sound out in the Islamic community and Tulsa Islamic community that it was something
that was exposing what's going on in the world and it didn't shed a good light on them and it was taken from me.
So just realize there's an influence in this community, there's influence going on, lots of money, but again,
have to understand or it's coming from, it's not good, and the impact on our community of
this darkness, I was really impacted by listening to the lady who lived in Saudi Arabia.
When you live in a country like that, it really doesn't impact you, and it is
It's certainly psychological warfare that goes on because you're here in five o'clock in the morning,
five times a day, you're hearing this, and again, that principle of lying to get what you need,
you know, they come in. There's basically three things that I found. They'll offer you the religion.
Secondly, if you don't go for it, they're going to find a way to get tribute out of you. If you don't
You have to understand, look historically around the world, what's going on, understand it's coming from the east of the west, look at what's going on in London.
What's going on in all the European countries, what's going on in Derbarn, Barn.
But thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, up next is Gary Geiger, then D.D. Morrow, Malayar, and then Steve Swagger, after that.
Gary Geiger.
Is there anyone still in the overflow room do we know there is an okay, okay, how about D.D. Malayer?
Steady anywhere close,
okay?
Steve Swagger,
okay,
Deborah,
Parkhurst,
Anybody else here are sign-up that Penn is spoken yet that you signed up to speak? Okay, what's your
Lord Jacob? Okay, we'll look real quick.
Well, I'll wait in some of the others. They may be in the overflow run.
What was his name?
Shaper.
Okay. Well, I'm just going to. What was that down this day?
What was your name for?
Shaper.
Okay.
Did you are?
Did we call your name?
All right. We'll hold on.
There's a lot of people that they're sorry.
We've got a lot of names and they may have left. I don't know.
Mary.
Fish and holding.
Yeah.
because I'm not finding it. Okay. All right. So Mark Samowski, Smith, Towsky.
Raise your hand when we call your name and we'll have you come out. Okay. Olaf,
Cannerup,
Mary Ann Coulston.
Molly, Mary Ann.
Thank you. You can pull that bike there. Yeah. Thank you commissioners for
allowing us to speak. I've tried speaking in other public meetings and was denied the opportunity
So every time I have a chance, I want to make sure that you all understand that I appreciate it because the Open Meeting Act says we can witness it
But we don't have the absolute right to speak.
Well, we've been waiting all night for it.
If you would state your name for the record.
Mary Ann Colston, resident or city limits of Broken Arrow.
A little bit of background quickly.
I've served on many steering committees within the city of Broken Arrow over the years.
I was very deeply involved with getting the drainage advisory committee going as well as the proposition to give us the flooding problems.
And so this is going to be focused primarily because there have been some other points that I don't need to make anymore.
Thank you.
On the flooding as well as the sewage system.
It's kind of been briefly talked about, but I do have grave concerns because on the site plan it talked to it shows a sewage area
Keep going
There you go
In the lower kind of right hand side next to the pond that shows a sewage area
That's so close to that creek and that creek is quite church creek which does feed into it
tributary to Hakey Creek. And I do have concerns at DEQ, would have a problem with that,
so it's being that close to a major tributary to one of the largest creek systems in the
city of Broken Arrow. But I do have, I have been able to mark off a lot of my points.
Citizens require that all decisions be based with the absolute goal of public safety,
welfare, environmental constraints, and infrastructure capacity, and is neutral as to any specific
proposed use.
My comments focus on the physical and environmental constraints of this site.
The subject tract is partially located within the Hakey Creek Watershed, again the
white church creek is what feeds into Hakey Creek and is a designated greenway.
That designation carries real consequences for how the land can safely and responsibly be developed.
Flood planes impose inherent limitations on development intensity, emergency access, stormwater conveyance, long-term maintenance.
Resonning this property to commercial general would increase development pressure within a constrained environmental corridor.
And heightened risks, not only on this site, but downstream as well.
The proposed commercial buildings and extensive parking areas introduce additional impervious
surface and in close proximity to these drainage features.
That affects runoff patterns, flood storage capacity, long-term maintenance obligations.
These are not abstract concerns.
They are predictable outcomes of intensifying development and flood affected areas.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
I hope that you will take that into consideration.
One of the things I need to remind everybody is that the conceptual area that we see right now,
it's not locked in.
If they're waiting on approvals, if they get approval, then they'll spend money on the exact design
and stuff.
So that septic field that they're sure would probably change quite a bit based on the requirements
they have to follow to.
And I understand that.
But this area is very close to January.
I understand that.
You're right.
So if they're going to be having, they don't have sanitary sewer.
Would you take away that issue, then with the sewage and the talking about with septic or anaerobic I think it would be a problem
But they're trying to get their ducks in a row first before they spend all money on engineering and stuff
And I understand your position. You're recommending body, so appreciate your time and your help. Thank you
All right
So are you Mark
Gary Thomas, okay, I think call your name free. Basically. Okay
O-Lough,
okay, Michelle DeBour, DeBour DeBour, thank
you for hearing us out.
There are some concerns.
My first concern is we didn't do a pledge to the flag and saying we pledge our allegiance
to our republic, the laws of this land, or constitution.
We, the people, have spoken tonight.
We, the people, matter more than your zoning, matter more than, you know, plans that
have been made, you've heard the people tonight.
Our constitution is about listening to the voice of the people.
But if you won't listen to the voice of the people, you need to listen to the law.
So you have some laws you have to consider.
Oklahoma law says no foreign countries can own land in Oklahoma.
So there's a little caveat because of US law now being appelled better
that caveat is going away or gone.
So basically they should not, they should be selling that land.
They don't have the right to have that ownership of that land.
You can't zone, and you can't do conditional use permits when you're breaking U.S. in Oklahoma law.
Secondly, we have a situation where most churches won a 501C3, most houses of worship.
Did you know it is against the IRS code for a church to rent commercial property?
These people are going to have commercial property, excuse me, so they're not going to do 501c3.
Are you winking at them and saying, oh, break the law? Go ahead.
Because if you are, you're becoming liable. You're setting up your city to be liable, to be sued.
You're setting yourself up personally because you're doing it before the fact.
There's another thing. I'm hearing about trainage. There's a law about trainage.
it's called common law drainage. Common law drainage is you take care that when you have
water flowing from upstream that the downstream people are not affected. It doesn't sound like
that's being considered either. It seems like we have to pay attention to the law a little bit more.
And then lastly is that I just have to check my notes or one more thing so I don't forget something.
The U.S. opposes terrorist organizations that are supporting businesses whatever and here it is.
we know must give to terrorist organizations. Why are we allowing somebody to establish a situation
that will give to the terrorists? I say please vote no pay attention to you as law. I hope
a lot. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. The next one is Nathan Dunn, Nathan Dunn, and then Amira
a last brief, any of those, or any of the odels? Okay there's Nathan. And then there's a trio
of odels, are of any of the odels here.
Bradenodel, Tonya Odel, Garrio Odel.
Anybody wish their
Which one do you want that one right there?
The other one.
The copper hints of playing more.
The plant.
That one.
Yeah, where the, what's the other?
Or the aerial.
Yeah, let's look at the view.
All right.
My name is Nathan Dom and a resident of Broken Arrow.
Thank you all.
I know you are in appointed positions.
Having served in elected office.
I appreciate your service here.
I know this is a long meeting.
Not necessarily what you always signed up for,
but appreciate you hearing from all of us.
I will say that at this point in time, I don't see how any of you can vote yes, because everyone has spoken in favor, has given you feelings on why and no reasons outside of that.
In fact, the very first gentleman invoked Charlie Kirk and so I will point out that Charlie Kirk was correct when he said that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization.
So if we want to talk about it from that perspective, we can but I also know that you need facts and reasoning why.
So, if we look at this map, it's currently up here because people asked about the church below it.
While in the Grove, you'll see that they have a parking lot and a building.
That parking lot is one-sixth the size of what they are proposing because that has 120 parking spots.
And they're saying they're going to have 750.
That building then would also be one-sixth the necessary size to be able to host that same number of people.
So, you're telling me that that parking lot and that building six times over will fit in that city.
smaller square with a commercial center on it as well, and with their septic system, and
green space, retain everything else that's going to happen. That's not possible. So if you
just look at that, just do a simple overlay, you say that this will not work. There was also
the question about life church. Life church, they're parking lot, is about 350, so half the size
of what's proposed, and if you were to overlay it, you'll look at it and see that the entire area
of the life church facility is basically the same as that entire tract of land.
There's no way that this will work.
Traffic was also brought up.
Life church is on a street that has five lanes of traffic.
This street has two lanes of traffic.
The person that came up here earlier and was scared by the word's ingress and egress said that
just with the event center, which has
About the same amount of parking as Walnut Grove Church. That already causes parking or traffic problems. So you're telling me that an event center that occasionally has events already causes traffic problems. You get this facility that's going to have six times the amount of parking is not going to cause traffic problems on a Friday during school hours or close to school hours when school is letting out everything else. There's all kinds of reasons that have been given to you. I understand that there have been emotional please. There have been religious please as well. But you all have been given all kinds of reasons.
to vote no. And so far you have not been given any reasons to actually vote yes. I understand
that you are recommending body. I understand that you're looking at taking two different votes.
I'm not as familiar with the city level of open meetings act, but I would be concerned about taking
two different votes that are not tied to each other if that was not published in the official notice
for this meeting as well. So I would encourage all of you to vote no on this because you have not been
You see, given any reason, two vote, yes.
So I encourage each and every one of you to vote, no.
Thank you.
That's interesting, Mr. Dom, that's interesting.
When you said that, because I think somebody else mentioned that, too, that maybe I didn't
shut off anybody that was talking for the applicant or whatever, but the app gets provided
all the information that they needed right now for the tonight's meeting and now don't stop
me on this to present.
This is our case.
This is what we're wanting to do.
It's you guys are out here wanting to just speak of an opposition. So yes, you're gonna defend it
So the people that's already that are saying for talking for the applicant the applicant's already provided this stuff for
They're just backing them up if that makes it understand the applicant. So I understand where the captain the applicant making the case
But the individuals that have come up to support what the applicant said haven't defended. Why what what they're just adding their opinion to it
and you've made it up on any clear, that that's not going to sway you one way or the other.
You were interested in hearing opinions opposed to it, but it seems like you were okay with hearing opinions in favor of it,
just based on the opinion aspect of it.
And then us provide facts in opposition.
In the way of the parking itself, there may be that many ex-bounded parking.
I could understand what you're saying in the wall that grow is a sixth of it or whatever.
We're not by, okay, we have to zone in.
On a two-lane road, about a five-lane.
Okay, now we got the zoning, there wasn't a request, there was a request and changes zoning from
AG to a CG.
Okay, that has nothing to do with talking.
What we're talking about there.
Right?
That's just a category.
The land use intensity system.
Then I'm going in and everything around it is still AG.
So then what they want to do is they want to go to a conditional use permit.
So they're asking for a place of assembly.
Now, even though there's been talk about these parking stalls in there, if it was approved,
We're not locked in to that amount of parking, correct?
We're just saying that a place of assembly.
If it was approved, they could put in.
So now that's all I actually locked in in my correct.
Correct.
But you're planning on approving it.
We'll do that when they go in there and do their actual designs.
And hey, we finally got approval.
If they get approval through us, through the city council,
because we're recommending body, then they would go in there
and start detailing engineering.
Why is it find out?
We can't get that many parking.
We have to provide on-site storage.
we have to have our septic system. We've got to do whatever and that's going to decrease
amount of parking stalls.
But then can't accept what the applicant provided as fact in favor of it done.
Pardon?
Well, the applicant provided you can't accept as fact in favor of it done.
Well, that's what they're targeting. It may not happen when they spend the money and
to get the engineering done.
Okay, then then vote no based on what they're targeting.
Okay.
But you see what I'm saying, though, right?
I understand that.
They're not locked into that right now.
And if they were approved, they're still not locked into that amount of parking.
But it's the target and the target will cause increased traffic, and so we'd encourage
you to vote.
Thank you.
I want to.
I just want to say something real quick, how many were in favor or wanted to speak in favor
of it?
Did we have that number?
Speaking favor, I did not have that number, but I have like only a handful left.
Yes.
So let's say less than a dozen, right?
But well over.
50, 60 wanted to oppose it. So, how do we expect of everybody's time? It wasn't about
we're going to let people in favor of it, say whatever they want, and those that are not in favor of it.
We're going to keep them silent. That wasn't a case. It was when you have that many people speaking.
You're going to start having redundancies in beating at that horse.
So, we want people to say what they feel and share that information,
But for the sake of everybody's time, we did not want to have a 10-hour session.
So by just saying, hey, let's keep it this way.
So don't think we're, I've already made a decision one way or another, and I just want
to be clear on that, and why that was stated the way it was stated, if that makes sense.
But there's also was a number of individuals that signed that they were in favor of, but
they didn't want to speak.
So is a mirror? Yeah, 45. So is a mirror as a lot, a last
Marie here? Amira? Okay, moving on. Any of the
hotels? Nope. Okay. Brooklyn Forbes.
Okay,
Brenda Long.
Jeff Hill.
Corey Brain.
Calvin Crawford.
Doug
Consol,
Brenda, councilman,
What is your name? If you're close, I'll get you.
That's fine, I'm looking,
Thomas Horterer, Tom and Theresa Powell.
Come on, Theresa.
Evacieri,
Clint Fulton, any of those folks in here?
Okay. There you go. You're on deck. And you are.
Okay. Brenda, you'll be on deck. And then
and then Clint.
Go ahead. Hi. Sorry, I can't hear because of a sign of infections. I do not
mean to be yelling at you. That's okay. I'm here today to discuss our beautiful community.
I've lived in Brooklyn, Arizona, nine years, and I live four blocks from the opposed,
the
There are already near capacity during peak hours.
A building that brings and large numbers of vehicles,
as specific times of day and a week,
to create safety issues and level of congestion,
our streets are just not designed to handle in that area.
I'm also concerned about our noise levels and parking overflow.
In neighborhoods like ours,
increased traffic and vehicles,
lining the streets will directly affect residences
quality of life. I believe Council should closely review the parking and
crowding. Will be made and how crowding will be managed.
What steps will be taken to prevent disruption to the nearby homes?
Additionally, we are a small city. Our infrastructure is limited. Our water systems,
our septic capacity, and drainage are all very vulnerable in this area.
You've heard it from everyone, you've heard it over and over.
I know I'm not presenting anything new, but I want to thank you for your time and
closing.
I just want to ask respectfully that you move slowly and assure the decision
protects the peace, safety, and character of our community.
Broken Arrow and God with trust.
Thank you.
Okay, Brenda.
You're up.
Thanks, Lynn Fulton, and then Derek Mills.
Perfect.
I was on this.
There were two in the Vietnam War.
Can you say your name may have turned along?
There you go.
Being here all my life.
That's a month, 70 years old.
That's fine.
You look good.
During more war, too.
Thank you very much.
And the Vietnam War, the practice broadcasting propaganda over loud speakers at a high volume.
from early in the morning to late at night was considered psychological warfare, or psych
war.
If we take an example of the psychological warfare that was used back then and compared
to the practice of the Islamic call to prayer, we will see this very closely resemble each
other.
Both are from early in the morning to late at night and all during the day.
Both are extremely loud to reach as many in the community as possible.
Both use foreign confusing language to most Americans, both use propaganda and before anybody gets excited about that.
The definition of propaganda is information, especially of a bias or misleading nature, used to promote a particular cause, belief, doctrine or point of view.
So, call it what you want to, propaganda or a prayer, if, you know, you can call it worship,
I would call it propaganda, because I don't know a person named Mohamed that did all
this stuff.
It would be propaganda for me to go to a Muslim nation, praising my Jesus as the only way
to heaven.
So, the similarities are there.
Boat can cause sleep, deprivesate, deprivation, due to the loud early morning, noise to late
at night.
Boat can cause confusion and fear, being woke up in the middle of the night, loud foreign
language, repeating over and over the same things, could be very confusing to most, and most
important, the ones that trigger PTSD episodes, especially among those that had to suffer
this type of violent treatment while serving in the military.
It is a known treatment of violence that has been used as late as Waco, and at the Waco
siege.
So, in short, I don't have a problem with the mosque as a building.
It's not what goes into a man that defies it, but what comes out.
And so I say that we need, I know you're zoning people, and you've got to make these
laws and codes.
There needs to be a code from day one that that stuff ain't never going to be put on loud
speakers and send out for two mile radius five times a day.
You talk about freedom, religion, my freedom is, I don't want to hear that.
Thank you.
All right.
So, the plant fault was coming up, then Derek Mills, and then after that is Heather Simon in here.
Heather Simon?
Nope.
Okay.
Marna's Anderson.
Go ahead.
Hello.
I'm Clint Fulton.
Broken Arrow.
Thank you for having me.
What I'm going to say is probably redundant, and you call it redundant, but I don't care.
I'm going to say anyways.
I strongly am against the rezoning of a lot that's along all of South of the Creek Term Pike.
I believe that it's going to be a definitely a safety issue.
We all know, I'm not a great of a speaker, but I'm just going to reiterate what everybody said.
These people, the Muslims that are putting this mosque are being pushed and funded by outsource countries, outsource,
wicked people, and you may think my opinion doesn't matter because religious, but it does, we see.
You may think that what I'm saying is hypocritical because there's a church right there below this law, and I'm against another religious organization.
But that's a separate issue.
The Christian church is not out there causing any harm or threatening people.
So the Muslims, we know, and they're going to a lot of your face, okay?
So we are infidels to them.
If you're not one of them, you're in infidels.
And they are taught in their crime that they are to smile to our face, of course, to our backs.
We know that's true.
We've seen it in other countries and that's a fact.
Just look at what they're doing over in Europe, New York, I'm just repeating what everyone else
has said.
But I speak for many of the majority of broken our citizens who are opposed to this mosque
being here.
As they're going to come in, if you allow this, they're going to come in and they're going
to come in subtly, they're going to comply, they're going to abide by your zoning, loop holes,
and all that.
But it may not be us that deals with the consequences,
but it will be our children.
And I can't, at least not try to stop it.
I just can't, not much of a speaker,
but I'm hearing you've done a fine.
I'm hearing you've done a fine.
They're a patient, people.
And they will wait decades to get to our children.
Like I said, they're not going to be us, probably,
but our kids will, and I'll die on my feet
before I live on my knees.
Thank you.
All right.
So, Derek Nill has a assignment coming in the room.
Heather Simon?
No.
I know.
I know you'd love to.
You keep asking.
You don't believe it.
No, Marna is Anderson.
Okay.
David Jals.
Katherine Davis.
We keep putting the shape or name in the back.
Yep.
All right, and then I do know this person is here,
Christy Gillespie.
So go ahead, Derek, and then Christy Gillespie.
Thank you so much for the talk to you in the evening.
Everything I had written on my notes is pretty much
been covered by most of the people here.
It's just a great country of what?
Excuse me.
All of us together.
Can you give us your name?
I need a microphone up please.
Sorry.
You need to address us, not that.
All right. Again, is this a great country of what? We can all get together here.
Name please. We can all share our opinions.
Name please.
Thank you.
Derek Mills.
Thank you.
You live in Southbrook in our list.
That's fine.
The one thing I have not heard mentioned here, with this plan and commission, is right where the yellow signs are that give public
notice, okay? It's hydrathic. People zoomed by there at speed limit, believe me. But those signs are sitting parallel to the road.
You drove by, you see a yellow flash. I didn't notice it until today. I drive that road every day, five days, a week, four,
thirty and a morning, I never noticed them until I took a look today. Everybody's mentioned that the casino on the other side.
that got refused. But the thing I did notice was those signs, we just couldn't see them.
They, I don't know how long they've been there. I'm sure the law was followed to place them there.
But they're not visible. That's like putting a stop sign sideways or putting a speed limit sideways.
Anyway, what I wish to share with you is I'm an immigrant from England. I've been here for a long
No action, obviously.
Yeah.
We're graded in 1968 from England.
European community is in an uproar right now, over refugee and asylum seekers.
People that are flooding into those countries aren't bringing in wives and children.
They're military age men or younger.
They're coming in on rubber boats made in France into England, crossing that 22 mile strip
water and rubber boats made in France.
I got I got to tell you that when they first started
10 years ago when all this immigration and the asylum seeking started 10 years ago those
countries part of the EU took in per the EU agreement so many people per capita money was
loaded for hose housing, food, medical is socialized, medical over there pretty much in the little island
down from. But as the percentage of the group's grew,
the percentage of the groups in the
influx grew, it became more, it became loud, it became demanding. And then those that had been
there a long time, got citizenship or born there prior to that 10 years in flux. They got
the right vote. And in London, they blocked vote. They blocked voted in. The guy named
CityCon, Muslim mayor of London, city number one, Birmingham about city number three.
I can't
You must learn rule.
I do not have a problem with Muslims.
I have a problem with the way they do so.
Thank you.
Thank you sir.
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Thank you.
Okay, go ahead, Ms. Gillespie.
Go ahead, Catherine.
Okay, go ahead, Catherine.
And then, Theresa Wallace, there you go.
My name is Catherine Davis,
and I've lived here in Broken Arrow for six years with my husband.
We originally moved here from Tulsa.
I have lived here in Tulsa since I was 17.
I came here through foster care.
I am part Irish and part Mexican, so I do not have a problem with immigrants.
My grandmother came here from Mexico and established our family, so I have no problem
with immigrants.
What I have a problem with is their religion, and that they refuse to follow our laws.
they lie to our face for as long as it takes and are here to conquer us and destroy us.
I will not have my daughters be subjected to this.
I have fought too long and too hard and I know many women and many men who have fought too
long and too hard to watch our country fall under a religion that lies to us and tells us
they are here to conquer and kill us.
This is dedicated to all the people who think they can come over into our country and tell
us who we are going to serve.
I serve Yahweh, the true and living God, the one that created the heavens and the earth,
make no mistake about that.
I do not bow down to any God's and nothing, I do mean nothing in this world will get me
to shift or bow down or to change my mind.
Every other God that exists exist under Yahweh and His word is eternal.
I follow Yeshua, the Messiah, who filled and who fulfilled promises of God and established
the covenant of salvation.
His life, His death, His resurrection, are the foundations of our faith.
No prophet, no man, no religion can ever replace or surpass him, understand that.
Some claim Muhammad as a final prophet, yet let us examine the claim with discernment.
Muhammad presents himself as a seal of prophets, yet he denies the divinity of Jesus in the reality
of his crucifixion. He rejects the fulfillment of God's promise in Christ,
But Scripture is clear, Jesus died and rose again for filling every prophecy perfectly.
This is the bedrock of salvation that we stand on, not to be overturned by any human tradition that you decided to make.
History itself, soge the limitations of Muhammad's claims.
Promises of absolute victory in divine judgment and eternal preservation of his revelations
that were not even fulfilled as declared.
God's covenant remains sure.
I do not fear these claims because Yahweh is my shield and strength.
My confidence is in the living God whose word is true, whose promises endure forever and whose
covenant through Christ is complete.
I stand firm, I worship no other gods, I follow no other prophets, I serve Yahweh and
I do mean nothing could ever separate me from my keen even death.
Thank you.
All right, Teresa.
I will help lead the way for any Muslims that try to move into our town and take over.
Thank you.
Teresa, and then Christy, you're on deck, and then George Schaefer.
Good evening.
Council members.
Thank you very much for this time.
I apologize for my tire came straight from work.
That's okay.
Your name, please.
To be flawless.
Thank you.
No worries.
I'm an opposition of rezoning the acres from agriculture to commercial and oppose to the
conditional use that they are seeking.
According to, I guess, Fox News, the city of Broken Arrow totaled the Fox
23 that it did not have time to provide an interview ahead of the meeting to address public questions.
So, other than just hearing so many people who have opposed for whatever reasons, even if even just for
rezoning purposes, traffic, drainage, whatnot.
We shouldn't approve a proposal and then seek out the community's opinion.
Many residents have only recently heard about this topic within the past day or so for me for yesterday and I talked to other people coming in and many people have only heard about this yesterday.
So I commend many people who have already researched and stuff. I would have done that to if I didn't know.
While it sounds like just rezoning requests this change would significantly impact the whole community.
I believe the whole state of Oklahoma.
This is a shoe end. This is their guys. They're ruse to get in to say they're going to be peaceful and whatnot.
That is not what they do. That is not who they are.
Come home spirit. Fill the hearts of thy faithful.
And Kindle them with a fire thy love, send forth thy spirit, they shall be created.
And thou shall renew the face of the earth, renew the face of the earth with what, with love, however, not with, not with muzzleness, not with Islamist, that is about war, it is about domination, that is what they want, that is what's going on, so if you really think the issue here is, but I want to say I respect that you've allowed us to come for,
addressing the the rezoning issue still that is their way in and if you really are serious
about wanting to know you know whether you should reason this or not you have 12 moss down in
Texas to go look at and go compare those those families and whatever there's around you have
other moss I don't know how many here in Tulsa that you could easily go and research this isn't
Just about voting.
It's about knowing what will be the consequences.
What will be the ramifications for forever from this moment on?
Thank you.
Your chair.
Pretty good.
I'm Ed.
This is coming up for your chair.
I will, maybe I'll ask you, or staff to answer this.
There's been a couple.
Guess I brought up about the signage out there.
Would you state, I know we go by the state law.
on post and signs, send a notice is out.
Do you want to talk about that or staff address that?
On the right, when we post the signs for the zoning changes,
and when we send out the notices within 300 foot raised,
sort of property, things like that, could you address that?
Correct, they have to be sent out, at least,
is it 14 days, 21 days in advance of the hearing date?
So signs what, 21 days before the public hearing?
Okay, and then notices are also sent to property owners within
300 feet of the property
Well, we've talked about the signage before and I know we've mentioned the signage about how it's kind of hard to read when you're driving by but that's that's a good time
I may be able to get a hold of the city and find out what's going on out there, but
Let's go ask you on talk
You may be last
No, she's not last
Nobody else is showing up
Yeah, we've got George Shaper, yep, yep, I thought you'd put him in the back.
Oh, I thought you'd put him in the back.
George Shaper.
Thank you, thank you.
I do appreciate your alls.
Everybody's got to be tired and I got to first address you guys that you must have a spare bedroom
for me to sleep in tonight because my wife won't let me come home.
Well, what Ms. Gillespie doesn't know is the last person to come up here and talk to you?
There you go.
Go order the pizza.
Come all for that.
I'm all for that.
No, I, well, I first heard about this.
I apologize.
I have not heard.
I don't, I'm not familiar with the infrastructure.
I'm a foreigner from Bixby.
Oh, yeah.
He's easy.
What we need help and prayer.
But I am a messy any Jew and I want to tell you just a little bit about a little bit
just a smidge about my background. I'm watching my green light. I can do this in three minutes.
I can do it. I've got two of that. I'm down to two. Thank you.
But what they've been saying tonight, what they have been saying,
how the Islamic religion they're trained professionally to lie.
I have two Korans, I apologize if I pronounce it wrong, I've been in Africa, I was in Nigeria,
when they were killing a lot of Jews and a lot of Christians.
And it's not a pretty sight, it isn't a pretty sight.
And I know several Muslims, and someone said here while ago that not all Muslims are bad.
Well, not all Christians are Christians.
And so, I mean, I think there's a lot that we've got a really process.
I think you folks up here have to ask yourself tonight, what you're going to vote on,
what you're going to permit, and I can back what I'm saying, and I'm not going to, it's
a ditto, as you said, while I go, say ditto's, if it's been repeated.
My gosh, ditto's ditto's ditto's ditto's, you know, a lot of stuff.
But, you know, the Islamic religion is not a religion, but a geopolitical ideology, that's really, that's not my opinion, that's studied history, proves that, oh my gosh, my time is shot.
I want to say this again, in closing this, my great uncle was burned up in the Holocaust, back in the forties, and when my Jewish families and all of them,
I was born here, I'm going to California, don't hold that against me, California boy.
But I do pray that you guys, do you really want to risk the, do you really want to risk
this and your children, your great grandchildren?
I get great grandkids myself and let them be subject to what is coming.
It's been said here tonight.
It is coming.
Whether we like it, whether we believe it or not, it is coming.
and I'm just sorry that it is and I'm sorry that this even has to be
I would thank you for the short term. I will quit.
Thank you.
Christy Oletalg, Oletalg, Derek Massingale.
Okay, come on up, Derek.
And after Derek, Paula Dine, Paula Dine.
You've been standing over a long time.
You have been waiting for a long time.
And there's been a hungry, Derek Massingale is my name.
I had a whole big long list.
I was going to preach to you guys like everybody else.
But I'm not going to do that.
What I'm going to say is, as a general contractor,
I've been through a lot of these.
And what I'm going to say is simply looking at that,
I've been stuck in that traffic.
There's no reason to have an additional facility
that is going to cause more stress on the infrastructure.
Number one, number two, I can promise you if they have 700 parking spaces,
there is not a septic system big enough to cover that with what they're going to do.
It's not, there's not.
There's not a septic system big enough.
You will have to tie into the city sewer.
Check into it if I'm not right.
Correct me, but I'm going to go to the engineers, but that's one of the issues.
I think where we are with this situation, and I implore you all to consider this, I'm not saying don't build it.
I'm saying they need to come back to the table when they have the funds to do an engineering study, to do the feasibility study,
and to do the correct things that need to be done for this to be constructed.
because what I'm seeing and all of this, these proposals and this and that, that's not
anything to present to you all.
That is a pipe dream that I can't imagine as a contractor coming to this commission,
which I thank you for your service.
And just saying, well, this is kind of what we want to do.
And we really don't have money for it, but we want you to approve it anyway.
And someday we're going to get there.
Well, someday I'm going to be a millionaire, but that's not going to happen tomorrow unless
I have to a lottery tomorrow, but the point is that have them come back when they have
the funds to do it right.
I honestly believe the citizens of Broken Arrow would not be as opposed to this if it was
done in that manner.
I think if there was an actual architectural rendering brought before the people and said here's
what we want to do, it's not a big prayer tower, it's not this and that, it's not a big place
to have shopping centers. It's a worship center, okay? Do a worship center, but do it right.
build it when you start this when you have the money, not peace-milling it in phases.
Their own architect said, I don't know if they have money where we're at on this whole
thing.
They're all in architect.
But that's pretty common for them to do that to actually come in before they see if
they could get approval for all this before they start putting a lot of money into the design
permits and all that other stuff.
So that's usually what if you spend all your money down in there and find out you can't
it can't get approval. It's a lot of money wasted. I think that's called business. That's
called doing business. Yeah, but there's a risk. You take as a business man or business woman
and you buy property, then you take that risk and you put your investment in and you hope for the
best. You don't throw the cart before the horse and say, let's go win a race. Well, there's actually
a lot of projects that come through here and the applicants come in here and there's the buying
They've got a contract contingent to buy the property based on why they're going to get approval for the zoning request that happens too.
Sure, so how many of those fail?
I don't know.
There's not a reason to go out there and buy the property and find out you're not going to get the zoning request.
I'll see if you get the change approved first.
Then, by the property.
Again, I'm a general contractor.
I fully understand the process.
I'm saying that you as the commission have the responsibility to make sure that they don't put an
or their, and from what their own architects said, they don't have the money. They're gathering
the money. They don't have it. They don't have it. They don't have it. They don't have it.
It doesn't matter. We don't know if there's going to be a nice store anywhere. Right. But I
would say if they do it, if they build it halfway, and it stops like the like the casino,
you're stuck with it, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Julie,
Arthington, Julie Arthington.
Okay, Joshua Ha, her, Joshua H.
George Shafer from Leonard, Oklahoma.
Irene Dowberger,
Gary Thomas, yay.
You get to speak.
It's the Grant Ellis in the room.
Grant Ellis.
Correct.
My name is Gary Thomas.
Let me go over a modern example here, the Islamic center called epic.
I'm going to go through a few points.
This could be some similarities that you guys need to understand.
It's a Muslim center, city, slash city, near Plano, Texas.
The East Plano Islamic center, which is what epic stands for,
is one of the largest mosque in Dallas area.
It was supposedly compliant with US and Texas law,
where they came in with a compliant proposal.
However, a governor Abbott, this is a governor
of a huge state, said, let's see all of them.
Said, however, governor Abbott publicly opposed
the project stating, Sharia Law is not allowed in Texas and nor are Sharia cities.
That's a governor.
He directed multiple state agencies to investigate epic and affiliate violations, including
unfair housing discrimination, unlawful funeral services, environmental permitting issues
that apply here, and potential financial hurt to investors, those people that invested
in it.
Abbott directed the Texas Rangers to open a criminal investigation into epic for potential illegal activities.
He described the project as a threat to Texas.
Community is accusing, organizing, organizers of scheming to evade scrutiny and use religion for segregation.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxon, Attorney General, investigations into potential consumer protection
law violations and security frauds, fraud related to the project funding and marketing.
In December 2025, Paxon filed lawsuit against epic community capital partners, the development
entity and leaders, alleging illegal security sales, misleading promotional materials, and
the community was Muslim-exclusive and funneling funds improperly.
Packs can also call it a radical plan to harm Texas and vowed to stop it.
Then that's a public safety issue that you all are a response before.
So in summation I would say, why would Broken Arrow open themselves up
to such a possible train wreck?
And I want to add a couple of other points.
somebody asked me, again, somebody talked about the septic tank, they said that there has to be
a certain distance from the septic tank to the floodplain, and that's something to take
in consideration, is that area there? And then another person asked me to ask that this is going
to be more than Friday, one of the gentlemen said the Muslim General said that they go to
more than Friday. So anyway, just take those at considerations. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Okay. Let me say this. Is there any way, is there any way I can get some
aid from staff to see if there's anybody still in the overflow room? And if there is to ask
it, did anybody in there sign up to speak? Yeah, because we've, we've got this whole group.
So I'm, so you, okay, what is your name, ma'am? Thanks, Jill. Okay, I called your name already.
I said you wanted to come up when I call your name.
Okay, so go ahead, Mary.
Come on up.
You, sir?
Okay, I don't recall seeing you.
Okay, hold on.
Very, do you sign up?
Okay.
We'll look for it.
Go ahead, Miss Mary.
Chairman, members of the Commission.
You're right.
I'm Mary Bishop Baldwin, a 30 year resident of Broken Arrow.
As local public servants, you are charged with carrying out your duties not only in accord with the ordinances of the City of Broken Arrow.
But in conjunction with the laws of the State of Oklahoma and the United States of America.
As you consider this routine request for resounding and a conditional use permit for the Islamic Society of Tulsa's plan to create a saddle
light campus for broken era's Muslim residents. I urge you to consider your responsibility
to uphold the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which mandates
that the government not make laws hindering freedom of religion, or by extension in this
case, make rulings based on the religion of the applicant.
Oklahoma also has laws specifically addressing this issue.
The Oklahoma Constitution in Section 1, 2 states that, quote,
perfect toleration of religious sentiment shall be secured.
And no inhabitant of the state shall ever be molested in person or property
on account of his or her mode of religious worship.
And no religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.
The Islamic Society of Tulsa is exercising its civil or political rights
and coming before you with its request for a zoning change in a conditional use permit.
The Oklahoma Religious Freedom Act of 2023
passed by the legislature and signed into law by Governor Stitt, also prohibits discrimination-based
on religion. Senator Julie Daniels, a conservative Republican from Bottle Spill, said the legislation
clarifies that when the government makes a benefit available to private entities, it cannot
exclude religious entities from accessing the benefit primarily based only or primarily
on their character as a religious entity.
And in an executive order just this year,
Governor Stitt directed state agencies
to remove barriers preventing religious groups
from participating in public programs or receiving benefits.
A requested zoning change and a conditional use permit
are public benefits to landowners.
It seems that many people who have been making public comments
on this issue, have the idea that religious freedom is for me, but not for thee.
It doesn't.
It can't work that way.
Thank you.
Okay, Barry, I'm looking for your sheet and I'm not finding it yet.
No, Barry Piles.
Barry, when did you feel off that floor?
You know what color it was?
Was it pink or was it white?
Okay, that helps
we won't try to make sure everybody got their fair shot.
So did you sign up?
Sorry
I understand but yeah, I have to sign up. That's it up. That's that. I don't see I don't see Barry
Barry, I don't see yours in here
Sir with your hand raised
David hold on we're looking okay we'll we'll look for for your answer
All right, okay
They had if you sent an email request that you speak tonight jail. Did you ask in the other room if there was a nice wish?
Michael what
When you fell out for
That's what these are all for for it so I don't know
You're him, you're stuck.
That works so many up out there.
David Paris?
Okay.
No.
Not much of these feet.
Okay.
I'm just going to read through these again.
These are all the people that I have left to speak.
David Giles.
Nathan Forrest.
Gary Geiger.
Deity Malair.
Deborah Parkhurst.
Steve Swayger, Mark Smentowski, Olaf,
Kana-Sep, Braden O'Dale, Tony O'Dale, Gary O'Dale.
Bill Jeff Hill, Corey Brain, Calvin Crawford,
Doug Cunsel, Brenda Cunselman,
Tom Horder, Eva Cieri, Heather Simon,
May, Marnes Anderson, Derek Davis, okay, come on up, Derek.
Sir?
Okay, then you are.
Okay, you can go after this gentleman.
Okay.
After there.
All right, we'll look to it here at a second.
So eventually we got a quick call of names and I think we're going to do that.
We go to it one more time if they may have left the room and may have left the building they may be going home. I don't know.
So we'll go to it one more time if you're here. You're here. You're here to not. So be it. Right.
Correct. But we're going to look for your former Mr. Piles.
I actually know the guy. So that's why we're talking.
But I got it. I got to play a little bit.
There it go. Thank you. Please take your name.
My name is Derek Davis. First off, I want to just address what the gentleman there was going to say.
drainage is going to be an issue. I agree with you hardly on that. Not exactly what I wanted to talk about, but you guys don't want to hear what I want to talk about. I'm going to talk about it anyhow
This is from Charlie Kirk. Islam is not compatible with Western civilization. Period. I'm not talking about individual. We're talking about micro or macro ideology where many of the gathered where many of them gathered together
And what that metastasizes into.
So I want you to try to filter out any individual interactions because that is a distraction
from what is happening in our civilization as a whole.
How is it not compatible?
Number one, we as Christians, and Americans believe in freedom of speech.
We believe it is our birthright.
Islam does not believe in freedom of speech, period. You cannot question Muhammad. You cannot make fun of him.
You cannot question this state. Number two, we do not believe in freedom. Number two, they do not believe in freedom of expression or freedom of religion.
In Islam, in their verses, you are allowed to lie. You are allowed to deceive in front of God.
as long as it advances the aims and the goals of Islam,
you are allowed to masquerade as a different person or a different version of yourself.
This is a foreign concept to us Americans and as Christians.
Because we believe that the ultimate value claim of Christianity is its truth,
because Jesus, our Lord and Savior is truth, and truth became flesh.
at the top of all of it, it's truth. In Islam is not truth. Truth is not the ultimate Islamic
value. It's not. It's power, domination, subjugation, conquer, and conquest. Islam talks
takes over by force. There is a reason it is a religion of the sword to create global,
to create
Thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Okay, Mark.
You're up.
First, thank you all for your time.
I appreciate it.
It's a long night.
I'll leave something as well.
Unfortunately, I only have one.
One thing to say about infrastructure.
Oh, sorry.
Mark.
That's when Towsky broke in our resident.
They see I did, okay.
Yeah, you did.
Very well.
Thank you.
I only have one.
I guess remark I should say about the infrastructure.
Last summer, taking my son to Little League practice.
One 29th, it was five o'clock.
Half a mile was backed up.
The two lane road.
So I don't know, this is probably going to impact a decent amount.
But then the others, there's some just a little bit of research.
just from one of the articles I read, just a few points here, I'd like to read off in
the Inc. 7 of them. In 2007, and this is regarding the land owner of the property owner,
North American Islamic Trust and AIT. It says in 2007, federal prosecutors named M&AIT as an
unindicted co-conspirator in the United States versus Holy Land Foundation, where defendants
were convicted of funneling $12.4 million to hummus.
A 2015 New York Post Investigation Documented
N.A.I.T. control mosques have been attended
by terrorists responsible for major attacks on American soil.
A 2004 Chicago Tribune Investigation detailed how N.A.
I.T. took control of mosques from moderate communities
further to that point, according to a 2007 report
published by the Global Muslim Brotherhood Watch, a consistent pattern emergence and merges.
N-A-I-T assumes mosque deeds, invests Saudi or Brotherhood money, drives out moderate leaders,
and installs fundamentalist clergy who enforce conservative, Wahabi interpretations.
This has played out in California, Texas, Arizona, and Florida.
N-A-I-T's current board of trustees includes three members with alleged ties to extremism and terrorism financing.
Two more here.
Former FBI agent Robert Stoffer's 1980s investigation found that N-A-I-T functioned as a financial holding company for Muslim brotherhood-related groups.
And lastly, N-A-I-T board members have publicly expressed support for G-Hod and the implementation
of Sharia Law in all areas.
And that's all in that reference data.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you.
All right.
So we have, I guess we've got two or three individuals that said they signed up to
speak and we can't find a form.
So I know, I guess what I'm just very piles.
And did you say you also any grant hold on I say we're getting you written down
I like to speak
Now we're on the honor system here, so
So what's
I'm okay. Yeah, I'm sorry the name back there the lady back there
Wade Miller's right there
Wade Miller. I thought I called wait Miller. No, I don't remember you call him. Okay
Yeah, what was your name
and you formed out? Are you filled out a fool?
What's that last name again?
Okay,
what's there anybody else?
What's
your name?
Stark well
What was your name laying brown?
I'm not asking for everybody. Oh, I'm just what was your name?
There's a difference
being is what since we're doing it this way you only have about 38 seconds, okay?
So
I just he's and you'll still have your three minutes because I got the attorney down there
So I got everybody's name now. This is our last place and then Miss Gillespie. I guess you're gonna be the last speaker
Okay, so here. Do I need to read through these one more time?
Okay, thank you
So here's the names
Okay, so Brady Thompson
Or we were doing or were we doing very pal
The order whatever
Great.
Go ahead, great.
Whatever.
I'm going to start this top.
All right.
Grady Thompson is my name.
So I just want to come up here and say that first of all, so drainage is a big problem,
but I'm not really up here to speak about that.
So it's really a safety issue when you really think about it because, okay.
So if you just take the Muslims as the nominator and Muslims like a miteric attack,
as the numerator, and then you take Christians, as the denominator on the other one.
In Christian-the-comment terrorist attacks on the other one.
Is the numerator?
Could you get closer to my phone?
Yeah, sorry.
Pull it towards.
There you go.
Sorry.
So what are those percentages?
Everyone knows that the Muslims that commit terrorist attacks are a high percentage.
It's really just come down to the safety issue and traffic is another issue.
I drive on this road quite often.
And 700 parking spots on a two lane road when there's, if I want, it's already backed up for maybe five minutes at a time.
Just not going to work at all.
Like,
just, it's also going to be a big eye sore.
Like, if you think about it.
So they don't have the money for it.
So I don't know why you would approve it.
They don't have the money for it first of all.
Like, maybe I'm, maybe I'm crazy, but, whatever.
All right, thank you all.
Thank you.
God bless.
All right.
Hello.
Mr. Kyle.
Kyle.
Very piles.
Hello.
I'm going to dress the board.
Good.
Thank you.
As Bob.
Yeah.
So when I say Bob, I'm addressing the whole board.
So let me look back.
So my main issue.
Well, top.
Top.
thing is, I do not agree to this zoning change or the permit.
Main issue is the attorney indicated that this is primarily from mosque, right?
This facility.
So, the board cannot approve a commercial permit for a mosque.
Number one,
and he did say that the architect did say that there is a commercial aspect
to it, but it's minor, correct?
That deal.
It doesn't square feet.
Right.
Still, you can't approve it as a board, because it's mostly a mosque.
Second issue, there are many questions to their site plan if it was a site plan.
Has the engineering department approve that site plan?
That's just a conceptual act right now.
No one has approved this to this point.
They're not held to that.
Okay.
I'm an engineer, work for an engineering company.
We submitted a site plan in Creek County.
And it had to be, it had to address a lot of issues, all the exclusions, and I don't know,
I don't know if that addresses every item to be approved.
So I would, as a board, disapprove it because of lack of detail.
Because there's a question about, there's many questions about the centric sewer.
All right, ODEQ requires a certain distance to from a leads field to the blue stream.
If that's a blue stream, you can't do it, you've got to be set to make a certain distance.
So with these two items, I would disapprove as the board.
I say you cannot approve this zone change or permit.
That's all right.
All right.
Thanks.
Let me go ahead and address that in the top, the zoning change request is for the whole area
you see right there at the area.
The conditional use permit is just for the mosque area itself.
So the retail up in the top, the strip center, the front, all of the street, that's separate.
That would be, it all will be CG if they got the approval for the zoning, but the permit
itself, the CEP would be only for the mascara itself. So it wouldn't be related at all to
the strip center if that makes sense.
Well, that's that's that's that's there it. Okay, folks, please. So we're not going to do that.
Okay, next. Next. Let me ask you a question if I have time left.
you don't you don't you don't I'm sorry that leads field you said that's not going to be the final location
There is no place to put that well that when they do their engineering they're going to find out
Is the project may not be a go then Barry, so that's we'll see
Right now right now. They're just asking for food laying brown laying brown
Good evening commission
You know, it is just like
Yeah, sorry, Lane Brown, it blows my mind that in the wake of two of our national
gardens that were brutally murdered in the streets of DC, that we're even talking about
this right now, that we're even, you know, having the discussion of possibly having
this in our community.
Or the two U.S. service members and contractor that was ambushed by an Islamic Muslim and Syria, you guys are quite literally, if you approve this, you are inviting that kind of violence into your community, if you approve this, you're inviting that kind of violence into this community, like there's no other way to put it, if you're a public official and you approve this stuff, you're inviting Islamic terrorism into your community, they plant, they see, they wait, they wait 10 years.
I'm only 19, so my future kids, my grandkids, if you approve this, are going to have to grow
up in this area.
And what happens is, once you approve one, guess what?
They're going to go to another town and they're going to try to do the same thing.
And then when they get approved, they're going to bring violence there.
Many people have stated other reasons between infrastructure, et cetera, to not approve
this.
But I think it's a safe to you.
You guys have a school in Broken Arrow.
You guys have a school here, you guys have kids to worry about.
So, if you want the next, you know,
terrorist attack plot to happen,
then approve this, and then welcome back and say,
I told you so, and I'll be gladly to do that
and so that everyone else.
So, I just ask all of you guys, please, like,
look at what you're doing.
You're inviting violence if you approve this.
Thank you, guys.
Thank you.
Okay, Darrell, start well,
and please state your name.
Thank you.
My name is Darrell Sarkwell, I'm a third generation
broken air resident, I represent five generations as my children, living this town and my
grandchildren. Ten sons. A couple of things that concern me is I'm not sure we're getting
a fair depiction or picture from the architect earlier that made his presentation. As he
stated for traffic purposes, if we can have the aerial view, please, that there will be
a traffic issue maybe on Friday after news and during Ramadan. And then the member of the
It's like Mosque of Tulsa, who is spearheading this effort, pointed out that he attends
prayer twice a day, seven days a week.
That is a part of the picture of what we painted by the architect of what we're seeing directly
from a traffic standpoint.
Number two, from a environmental standpoint, I have developed property, residential, commercial
and retail.
You have a fresh water supply there to the rear of the property.
Putting a 50,000 gallon septic system is going to contaminate that water, that water.
And I've lost many permit battles trying to build property because I'm too close to fresh water supplies.
That will affect the community.
And to think that an Islamic center that is not going to affect property values of local residents,
including myself, I live in post proximity, is naive.
It will affect our property values.
And in fact, in your property values, does drive out citizens like myself that may not want to stay in this community.
One more question I want to ask you, you're not the zoning commission, you're the planning commission.
What are you planning for?
Thank you for your time.
Thank you.
So, wait.
Let me, let me ask, of course, I don't know if you can answer this or not.
I don't, because I don't know who's in it from engineering, but
traffic study. Do you want to address the traffic study when a traffic study is actually done?
When you require it, the city requires it.
Once we have a plan, more finalized plan, then it can be determined if one is needed.
So, it would be after the zoning and after the approval, if they got approval for the conditional use permit, correct?
It would be that sometime after that, not before.
Right.
Okay.
Wade Miller?
Then Eddie Grant and then Christine Gillespie.
My name is Wade Miller.
I am a resident of Broken Arrow.
I have lived here for 35 years.
I went to high school in Broken Arrow.
Love Broken Arrow.
It's a great place to live in the raise of family.
My father of three.
homeowner and grateful to address you this evening.
I do send a post to the rezoning requests and I would like to share why, first of all,
I'd just express my appreciation again to the Chairman and Commissioners.
As was stated earlier, decision this evening will affect not only the President, but generations to come, I agree.
And I particularly want to think about it from a safety perspective as a father.
I'm especially grateful for the large percentage of the muslim population that's peaceful.
But there is a percentage that is not in its fundamental, it's orthodox.
And so I think it clearly is a matter of public safety.
When conquest and subjugation of people is a core tenet of a religion.
My question for your consideration would be, what assurances could the zoning commission
give that this kind of ideology wouldn't develop over time in Broken Arrow?
What could you say?
I don't think that you could give adequate answer to that.
We could hope we could take on the advice to the people that are supporting it, that that wouldn't happen.
But that's not representative necessarily of the entire community that will ultimately inhabit the mosque and be there.
So I think the sample size is too small.
As a matter of personal experience, I have worked in Middle East.
I have experienced the call to prayer.
It was particularly loud.
And the frequency was often.
And so I would say that's quite disturbing, especially for people who live in the area.
Especially for the church.
Right next door, I can't believe what that would be like.
I have extended family that lives nearby within two miles.
I don't want that for them.
So, yeah, just a matter of personal experience, I would agree with what Nathan
Dom had said, and many of the others here this evening, the last thing is that elected
officials are ordained in the sense.
And I think charged before God for the protection of the citizenry.
So, I would important if please, I encourage to think about things these things carefully and the long-term effects.
Thank you.
Any grant?
Good evening.
Thank you councillors.
My name is Eddie Grant.
A couple things.
First of all, a suggestion.
I don't know if it's within your purview or not, or within your capabilities.
But maybe consider a dual zoning, rather than just going directly from AG to CG, maybe leave the AG as well, maybe dual AG and CG, given the amount of concerns and difficulties and lack of funding, maybe this won't go through, and the next guy might actually want to do something that is agricultural, and would have to come back and change it again.
So think about that as a suggestion for what you're planning.
Secondly, if you are going to change it over to commercial general,
it seems clear that there would be an impact.
If you pay seven acres and I recognize that's only conceptual plan.
But if you pay seven acres, it's going to have an impact on drainage and flooding.
And so, why would you go ahead and change it without actually having, maybe not the full
blood study, but at least some information with regard to the impact downstream, seven
acres of waters, got to go somewhere.
And if they're going to build a retention pond, I think I saw, can they build that in the
floodplain?
It seems like it wouldn't do any good in the floodplain because it's going to be raining
and probably going to be flooded already.
So, they're going to have to build it up there, perhaps in that 7 acres, which means they can't build what they want to build.
Can you put that septic tank in the floodplain? That seems odd, seems like it probably is not within regulations.
Again, I only heard about this yesterday, so I didn't have time to do a lot of research.
But if they have to move that up into that 7 acres that they're planning to use for parking, that's going to impact parking, you can't put parking over top of that.
It's not good engineering practice.
So, some considerations, I think, need to be made
for parking, flooding.
We talked about traffic studies, all in all,
give those some consideration with regard to this change,
because they've got to come in somewhere,
and for it to go directly to commercial,
whether it's a mosque or some other commercial property,
There's still going to be considerable amount of impact on traffic and flooding.
So thank you.
I see a lot of that stuff that you mentioned would come up later, and like I said,
and I mentioned that earlier today, but you're talking about the floodplain, now that the city
wouldn't let them build in the floodplain, but are you familiar with compensatory storage
too?
So that's actually where the fact that a little bit of floodplain actually exposes another area
to make it long to go out a little bit more for whatever their build or something like that.
There's different ways to do it.
But there's good impact that the conceptual plans that they had.
All right. Thank you. Thank you.
Miss Christie.
Did you have who was he?
Which women?
Oh, sorry. Yep, Michael. Sorry. Sorry.
Christie, we got Michael.
Sorry. Sorry, I didn't.
My name is Michael Pesha. I'm a resident of Barrel. Actually,
a resident of a neighborhood down the road, a stone horse. So I actually drive that road
every single day. We do have a concern with, you know, of course there is traffic congestion,
especially around a rush hour. But also adding that kind of, you know, commercial property
who's going to, of course, increase the traffic congestion, which would cause you to have
to expand the road and hearing the rest of my fellow citizens' concerns about, I don't
think they would be willing to have their taxes spent to widen the road and just to accommodate
an infrastructure that there are a lot of people are against. And it's also adding that kind
You know, allowing that many people to come into basically my neighborhood, you know, it's going to
cause safety issues just because of the amount of people that are coming in.
I'm sure none of those people don't live in the area.
They're going to be coming from all over the place into that area.
So that's going to be people that we aren't familiar with that aren't in our neighborhoods.
So they're not going to have the concerns that we have.
So that will cause, you know, safety concerns, safety issues along with the traffic.
and also, you know, that would also drive down property values and, you know, and for those of us who have just recently purchased property there, because of the fact that the location and because of the fact that it's quieter, you know, there isn't nearly as much traffic as there is all over everywhere else, you know, those are one of the main concerns for wanting to live in that area, and then just to see all of the sudden people wanted to just build there and increase all that, you know, that's just a major concern.
and we have and so we definitely don't want it to be resumed for a commercial property.
We think it's better to be left as, you know, the way it is for an agricultural and so yeah,
so we definitely don't want to have to resell our house, you know, and move out because
property values are going down and because the safety from my children has gone down, you know,
and the quietness and the sereness of the area, you know, has fled away. So that's our concern.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Now, Mr.
Lispy.
Christy Lispy. Yeah, I'll thank you so much. I mean, I don't know if everyone knows, but
these are volunteers that thank you for your service because it's not easy. So I'm going to
talk fast. My purpose tonight is to speak on verifiable facts regarding a comprehensive plan
and economic development repercussions this proposed development will bring. When I began
my run for City Council in 2018 Southbrookanera was predestined and I'm very proud of the work
that we did during my six years as City Council to revitalize Southbrookanera. I currently
serve as your state senator over most ofbrookanera and when the committees I serve on
as economic development workforce and tourism. I recently conducted an interim study on the
stabilization of municipal funding. As you know cities depend on sales tax to provide
public safety services, sewer, you know, stormwater, all the, all the things, all the road
cut up heat. Everything we depend on a broken arrow to have quality of life depends
on sales tax. So in 2019 in Southbrook and Arizona didn't look like it does today and I mentioned
that because that's when the conference of plan, which actually my name is on, I signed the conference
of plan and it doesn't, brook and Arizona didn't look like it does today and the innovation
district was a plan that is literally right across the highway and so many things weren't
planned and whenever we sign that conference of plan and so I really believe that the
conference of plan already needs updating just in the in the years since 2019 so and
also I want to remind you staff recommendation does not mean you have to vote yes and I
say that I love our broken or staff, y'all are in the best. You're the best in the whole state of Oklahoma.
But if we were required to, yes, vote, then we wouldn't need you. Okay. So, I'm asking for your no vote for the development on this development for these reasons.
The development requires a special use permit as a place of assembly.
This development, about the property to the south, which is also a place of assembly and the cross of street, is another place of assembly. This would be three places of assembly within a quarter mile of each other,
not of which place sells tax. Throwing in a measly 20,000 square foot strip center doesn't begin to
offset sales tax loss for this development. And honestly, the applicant, I mean, they actually
like they didn't even want to do it, and it wasn't even their idea. So, and didn't the whole thing
with the no plan for a city sewer. They talked about putting us fence around it. It sounds like
like a self-sustaining entity within the middle of our city and broken air has a precedent
of not the previous places of a similarly within close proximity to each other.
And I already passed this out and what I passed out to you, it shows that the conference
of playing calls for a front-age road between aspirin and olive on but the north and the south
side of the creek turnpike.
So saying that, I'm going to ask for extra time because I'm not a good fast-tarker.
But saying that this does not comply, obviously, with the conference of plan, because we are not allowing space for the frontage road to develop along the creek turnpike.
The olive exit is the first gateway in Tor City.
So when we exit, it was the first thing on the Creek Turnpike going into our city.
So not only do we need a frontage road connecting Asp and Olive,
but we need commercial along this frontage road to be viewed from the highway
and provide sales tax.
If this development is allowed to proceed, not only does it go against our conference
of plan by blocking a frontage road, it also limits connectivity
to olive by future developments to the east.
Those developments would likely be limited to only two song entrances, which is a 21st.
My goal is to ensure we have common sense economic development plan for my district.
This development does not comply with the conference of plan.
Nor does it make business sense for the inevitable growth between Aspen to all of.
It's for these reasons that you have no choice, but to vote now.
Thank you, Merry Christmas and...
All
right, so that's all we had to sign up to speak.
Fine.
The applicant gets his responsibility.
Okay, right.
So the applicant, you have anything you wish to address.
I know I have some items listed to each.
Seven of you talked about earlier, but I'll bring them up again.
Number one, somebody asked about the basement.
I got to find out.
Do you, are you going to put a basement in?
No.
So various items came up and you probably heard from some of you did talking about noise levels,
the wetlands, the flood, the runoff, on-site storage, your sewer system, that's been a big one.
They traffic at 1 o'clock, how long I think somebody was asking, okay, you're saying 1 o'clock,
how long is that lasted at 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock, or what is that?
So maybe that'd be the first one to go to.
Yeah. So the current sessions at Islamic Society of Tulsa, we have to hold two sessions
to accommodate everybody. Okay. And these are repeat sessions just because we cannot accommodate
everybody in one go. So that's why we're doing it one at one o'clock and one at two o'clock.
Okay. And the session, the sermon lasts for 20 minutes and then follows by a five minute prayer.
and then everybody disperses.
So the whole thing is about 30 minutes on a Friday.
So it gives them time to leave and other people to show up.
That's if there's two.
Okay.
But once we have two different places
that we don't anticipate to have two prayer sessions to happen.
So both of them at Tulsa and Broken Arrow
will be at one o'clock each.
And then somebody raised the point about me
bringing the point of, I attending two prayers today, there's actually five prayers a day happening
at the mosque, five prayers and the number of attendees who take it seriously and pray to God
over there five times a day, you will, you can count on your fingers every single day.
And what I try to do is just going for those two times for my own sake, not for anybody
else? OK, no, no planned? No take over plan or anything? Just for my own soul that I pray
and I'd go for two times a day and those are the times I see about 50 to 60 people at most
coming to prayer. Folks, this gentleman...
No, no, this is not a gathering. You were speaking. Yeah. So, yeah, where's the second mosque?
need coming from, that's the...
Hold on, just a second. Can you stop, Clarke?
Folks, he sat here quietly, listening to you out of respect for him as a human being, you need to do the same.
And another outburst, I'm going to ask the officer to escort you off the property.
Thank you.
So yes, there's larger assembly times on Friday and in Ramadan, I'm not, you know, going to hide anything from you.
Ramadan is a month of prayer for worship, for fasting, and we go through a lot of people visiting
the mosque for prayers, and so we need that space. And we need that space in Ramadan and on Friday.
And that's what our usage is. On an everyday basis, you will not find any traffic issues or anything like that.
But on Friday, yes, we'll put an officer what we do at the Islamic Society of Tulsa is we hire police officers and we control traffic through that and you know, that has worked out for us successfully.
That is on site, right, on site.
On site.
On traffic.
We pay for our own police officers to come and help us with the traffic.
Yes.
On site and exiting.
So it does not violate anything else.
That's all right, they are so okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, we, we, to address the noise again, I did in the beginning.
But the mosque at Irvington Street, I believe it is, has been there since the early 90s.
And anyone that's gone over there to look at it can verify that there's not loudspeaker systems.
there's nothing that broadcast, excuse me, that broadcast prayer times for the, for the, for the patrons of the mosque.
But I think what they're asking is how would they get assurance that it's not going to happen in two years, three years, or what?
Well, it hasn't happened here in 30, some odd years, so I'm not sure why they'd start doing it now.
I understand each one's based on its own merit, right?
Yeah, so that well, of course.
And there's, you know, I've done work with probably a dozen
mosques in the North Texas area and none of them do that.
So there's not a kind of a continuing precedent for that to happen here.
So, if this was to be approved, Graham, under the conditional use permit, we could stipulate
that there's not allowed to be any loud speakers or broadcast could we not?
That is correct.
But we also have our doors ordinance that we can enforce on top of that too.
And we'd be okay with that.
And seeing that's what I mentioned earlier.
We are recommending body to the city council, so the city council could adopt that development standard
that if we sent it to and that's what we think they ought to do.
I'm not sure how to worry yet, but as far as drainage goes, you know, no engineering has been done yet on the side.
You said it several times, but I continued to hear that it's a problem.
It's not a problem. We have an additional six or seven acres back there that are not in the floodplain.
I think five of them are not in the floodplain that we can do.
but is it a possibility that this could actually be reduced maybe two half the size not the
bill itself but maybe the parking in other words you find out when you actually get in there
do the engineering find out hey we don't have the room for the septic we don't have room for the
onsite storage unless we reduce the parking you know you're probably not going to park it for the
parking garage you might I don't know but would you reduce the amount of parking and have a smaller
ask is that what would happen. I mean it's possible, you know, once we do the engineering
it'll tell us what we need to do. We're not moving to certain sides, right? But again,
we have, you know, five or so acres behind the floodplain that we have to do septically
trails and things like that, it's not developed. So that's all area that will be permeable
You know, it will drainage will actually go into the earth there and so, you know, there's, there, there shouldn't be an issue with drainage, we'll, we'll design it such that it's not, I mean Tulsa has a drainage ordinance and we have to follow that over and so.
Now, were you approached about the, the front of the road itself that runs parallel the creek turn by, from what I remember hearing and I could be wrong was that probably nobody's going to put the bridge in there and so the front of the road would probably not go through.
But I don't know, there's another piece of property on between this property and the free
one.
Yeah, the only place that we touch, the right away is on that back.
Yeah, it cuts that corner right there.
So, no, but no, nobody's talked to me about the potential for a service road right there again.
And I could always happen later on, I guess, right?
But they would need to provide, but they would need to provide the right away.
The way the other properties are providing right away when they are planning.
Well, our right away would just be that back corner.
That's okay.
Which we gladly, you know.
That's right.
If we need it.
So when we go through this,
if this is approved and it goes through the planning process,
we'll ask them to donate the right away.
Okay.
I think that would be a given.
Okay.
So I was just curious if you were approached by that.
There's actually a sign easement back there, I believe.
Yeah, there's a vertical billboard sign that there's an easement for right now that might have to be relocated.
Before I ask you a question, I wanted to, it was something I was saying during the many speakers that we had that I wanted to get Mr. Parker's insights on.
something that was said that I wasn't really sure about, but churches cannot rent property.
They do it all the time. Okay. We have a church right in New Orleans Square that rents commercial property.
Okay. I thought it could.
Oh, the church is renting a property.
That's what I just said.
They don't own the property.
They can, they can own it and they can rent too though.
So there's no prohibition on that.
So they can lease that out.
Okay.
And can you say anything about the foreign countries and land ownership piece?
It was mentioned a few times, but I wanted to make sure that credit is not a foreign entity.
They're based out of Illinois.
So, OK.
It was also mentioned.
I know we weren't talking so much commercial tonight.
But the quite, it was actually,
who would be enforcing and regulating the rental side of this.
Once that commercial does kind of get going.
I don't know.
I don't know if that would be the mosque board itself.
They do have a board, a governance board for the mosque if they would be in charge of that.
Or if it would actually be a member of the mosque would take that by the property and ran it.
I mean, it's not been decided at this point.
And lastly, I normally ask this, I don't think I've ever
ever asked it to assume the place of worship before.
Normally it's too residential developers or too
more entrepreneurial project expert.
I wanted to ask you especially.
I know you all have had this land for quite some time now.
And I always like to ask about what community engagement
may have looked like either recently or once upon a time.
So I kind of wanted to hear why this was in desirable place to proceed with this vision and this project.
And if you ever prior to tonight felt this perhaps this unwelcome before.
And how you sit with that or wrestle with that in your community might sit with that and wrestle with that.
And why do you still have the vision, the hope to be able to see in this particular community?
Thank you. Good questions.
Have I seen this kind of unwelcome at Mosspear, anywhere before?
Now this is my first rodeo, especially with representing this Islamic society.
I'm an engineer, I develop software, and I did not get involved in the mosque for quite some
time.
I was doing many stuff at the mosque, but now I have my kids, I have three boys, and so I'm
forward for to, you know, they're growing up and, and also, for a place of, you know, worship
and, and looking at how busy the Islamic Society of Tulsa is getting, and I live to-
Ten minutes away from the Slam Society of Tulsa and Ten minutes away from this property. So this is I already the center of these two.
So that's why I didn't want. And so to answer your question, this is my first time attending something like this and it's not really feeling unwelcome.
A lot of people have valid concerns. If, you know, this happened in probably enough Afghanistan, people would not be behaving like, is there really nice people here who have been, you know,
just voicing their concern.
They're not up here attacking somebody, right?
So it's not really badly unwelcome or anything like that.
I was born and brought up in India, 22 years,
but I chose this country after I came here.
So out of my 45 years of life, 22, I've lived in the United
States as an adult man.
So adopting this country for myself, I feel proud.
And I feel like I've earned the citizenship here
unlike entitlement of work, right?
No, that's not what I went through.
So, having said that, I really respect everybody's opinion.
They have the right because this is a majority Christian country
and I can see the fear, but living here 25, almost 25 years,
I feel that I've contributed enough as a taxpayer,
as a contributor with, you know, in different terms of a life in, through Islamic society of Tulsa,
where we have regular food pantry, where we have a free clinic for the homeless people,
for the underserved people, and similarly with the food pantry.
And we go out, the previous boards, they have a lot of pictures that you can see that they
have went out to the downtown Tulsa and served a lot of homeless people.
So these are not, you know, one of the things that really hurt me today, hearing all of
these is they're all pretending and they're waiting for taking over all that.
Normal person does not do that, you know, we're on normal people and I have a lot of technically
skilled friends and families around me I hang out with none of us think like that and
just getting blamed for something like that. Yes, they're bad apples in every religion.
So categorizing everybody of a religion in the same way, it does not. That's the only part that
hurt otherwise. Yes, there's a lot of other concerns. Sound, sewer, traffic. These are really good
concerns, you know, sewer, architect, we got a very skilled architect. He will hopefully take care of it.
Traffic, yes, he's going to do a traffic study before making sure that a number of spaces,
we're not here to hurt broken error. We want to be serving broken error. We want to be part of
broken error. We want to be the fabric of broken error. Sound? Yes, I really agree that there should be an
ordinance. It should be some kind of strict enforcement on the sounds at sound thing. You know,
Today, we are all the people who are here in this generation, moderate people, moderate Muslims.
Yes, we can say, for sure, next 25 years will not have the sound issue in Broken Arrow.
But who knows who will come after us, right?
So it is up to the city of Broken Arrow, the government of Broken Arrow and forced that there is no such sound coming out of this place or any other place.
Thank you for the time.
May I ask how many members are in Broken Arrow that you're aware of just roughly?
I would say about 50% of the people who attend Islamic Society of Tulsa are from Broken Arrow.
And approximately how many would that be?
The first session that we do on Friday, we get approximately 1,000 people to attend.
second session is almost 1100 to 1200 people attending. So I would say a thousand people on a Friday. That's what we have seen from Broken Arrow.
Okay. So do you say growth is quite a bit then? So you're going to have both facilities open, right?
The recent growth when the United States government opened the doors for Afghani refugees, we got some families, right?
like 200 families here in Hintown, and the total family are, they actually moved into the Tulsa
area a lot. And so we have seen that and flux ourselves and that growth only was in Tulsa,
not in Broken Arrow. So do you all see yourself opening another facility in the future of five
years, or 10 years, or something, another area too? Not at this time, but you know we were expecting
this will serve for another 20 years, because it's not a society of Tulsa served us for 25
years so far, and the growth is not that much, and Tulsa broken arrow, small towns compared
to the big towns, right? So it's not going to happen that fast.
There are a number of them coming online in the North Texas area right now, so it's growing
at a much faster rate for that kind of community than Oklahoma is.
And I know there were one more statement.
I know there were a lot of people that were negative tonight, and I think a lot of that
here is things that happened around the country and around the world and you know I understand
that.
I'm not Islamic.
I hear the same things on Fox News and places like that.
But I think you asked about, do they feel, you know, does he feel attack tonight?
And I think your points will take and I think what will end up happening and what's happened
with about every situation I've been in like this and I've been in a few, not quite as many
people, but you know, very similar in what ends up happening is once the facilities built,
they see that those fears were largely unfounded and that these people become good neighbors
and good community members and that it's not a situation where there's, you know, you know,
a congregation of demons over there.
It's really not.
They're very, very, the ones, and I've been, you know,
I've worked for a lot of them, and they are,
they're very, very nice, sweet people.
And as Aslem said, they have a food bank in their facility,
they have, you know, a clinic in their facility,
and not all the people that go to those
or Islamic.
In fact, most of them are most of them are homeless people
from around the city that come and get food
and medical attention and their doctors
that go to the church volunteer their time
to give their medical expertise in the clinic.
And they're not the only ones that do that.
Most of the Islamic communities that I've worked for
do the same thing.
I appreciate it.
Okay, I guess we'll close the discussion on this.
Close the public hearing.
So nobody else could speak now except for us up here. So thanks appreciate it. So any discussions?
Yes. Okay.
Okay, so here's my soap box.
Oh, okay.
I mean, you're, you're, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry, and I can't, I'm not talking real good.
We got the sexy voice going on here.
Okay.
So I was on the New Orleans Square committee and we had all the churches that were going in there.
Our main concern was the tax, yes, we've spent a lot of money across the
creek turnpike developing that section over there. We spent a lot of money
bringing in home depot, a mile down the road, and developing South Broken Arrow.
This will be two churches right back to back. And I was the first one that said,
I guess my mom's church, I didn't want them to go into New Orleans Square, because we
needed the tax money to make that area great,
and there was two churches that wanted
to look at that. And we waited, and now look what it is. That's crunch.
And that parking
I'm not looking at the religious part of this, that's a whole, that's way over this way.
I'm looking at what we are doing in South Broken Arrow, the use of the land, the use of the land.
I don't feel that when little strip of retail is enough that is not guaranteed, really.
It's down the road is going to be great for this area.
Yes, there's traffic concerns, but as we know, we build it and then the roads.
Yes, the tax dollars we have to have the tax dollars to build that road.
We have to have the tax dollars to bring in other people's development.
So I'm not okay with this because of the land use.
I mean, I'm okay with it becoming CG because that is what our comprehensive plan states for it to be in the future.
Commercial.
That's okay.
But I'm not sure of that.
That's all you permit.
That needs to be.
be $5,000 in that area of
people?
Any thought?
Well, I understand where you're coming from, but also I look at what the comprehensive plan
list and the comprehensive plan does.
Let's see, gee, and it also allows you to do the place assembly, whether it be.
Would you permit?
Well, I said what the specifics permit, whether it's a moose lodge, a church, or a way.
It allows it.
Yeah.
I don't think that matters really be honest with you. I mean, I'm not sure. I don't I don't what the issue is
Are the text it's a concrete well while I wasn't really writing like that when a comprehensive plan was developed when we had all the public hearings on it well
I think it's it was set there for a reason. Yeah, so I don't Mr. Parker is there anything
Like there's issues with marijuana plants or stores being so many feet from each other.
Is there anything about places of assembly?
Absolutely not.
So anybody else?
Well let me just say this.
So just let you all somebody may not know this.
I mean you may know this.
But when we look at...
They're asking to go from AG agricultural to commercial general right.
So that allows them to put that retail.
So I don't know if y'all actually
Oh, I'm sorry. I faded away from it. I'm getting tired of sitting to be honest
So you're probably out there going because come on. Come on. But let me just leave
Reggie if they if the zoning was approved to go from AG to CG what kind of
Things could go in there. Did y'all look at that some of that don't let me just read just two of those that might go in
I usually have staff to read those on cut and how's they break all this though so some of the things that go in there
which proves CG is a recreation center, government administration facility, art gallery, library,
medical office, college, theater, trade school, bus terminal, towers, bar, nightclub, restaurant,
theater, hotel, motel, mini storage, alcoholic sales, marijuana sales.
So there's a lot of things that could go in the CG.
So if it was approved for CG and they did not get the permit for the for the mosque itself
for the place of assembly, so they could build their still some things that could go in there
other than just the mosque itself if the zoning was approved.
Now the things that some of the things that could list it with under the CG that they could
come back in asking for a conditional use permit would be place of assembly, child-day care
centers, Helipad, utility services, brewery, winery,
flea market, open flea market, entertainments,
so there's a lot of other stuff that can go in there.
A lot of that could cause extra, a bunch of traffic
your way to.
And in dispensary, that's to have a conditional use permit.
Yeah, I guess it dispensary too.
So the conditional use permit process exist.
And also, I understand at the flow of playing concerns I wanted to be addressed as well.
And I'm personally not so much bothered by the fact that there's another similar place of assembly.
I'm like, close in proximity.
That doesn't put a lot of agitation in me in the way that I look at this tonight.
And the way that I am looking at it tonight is that it does, you know, the comprehensive plan and it does fit with the CG and I'm just trying to look at the land use consistency of it.
And I say that publicly to say that I'm just not necessarily, I don't, I don't not agree
in with Ms. Mindy Payne on this one. For those, for those purposes as well. And I just
want to say that. But for me, it's not about no matter how everyone and all of the concerns
we've had, express quite well tonight. But the way that I'm looking at it, it's not about
just absorbing.
All of
the opposition or energy that was very well, in some cases very well stated very passionately, and for sure respected.
But trying to look at this as far as land use consistency. And that would be the reason for it, the vote that I'll likely share in just a moment.
When, and when you think about, they've had the property, I think, for 14 years, 10 or 14 years.
There's been a lot of time that's gone by that they could have put in a lot of retail
and could have came in here for the reason and to go to CG.
But they didn't.
And so they finally come in here with something to do.
And there is a small amount of tax dollars with the C3 for that resume
or that retail strip right there that fronts all of street.
So that's all, it may be a while for you to see anything else, it's one coming in there.
I just, it was a kind of press with.
I understand.
For example, when we would get that.
I'm sorry.
No, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
That was my concern of, you know, other retail places.
I'm sorry.
I'm short.
Other retail.
I didn't fall.
Other retail places.
They're like, yes, we're going to do this and this and this and this and they're, but he wasn't real. He couldn't give us a. Oh, it's going to come down the line.
That can serve me. We've also seen many of those that have come before us that have been approved for his own change, only to come back a decade later for a different zoning change because nothing ever happens.
So I don't see this any different than the that situation and that's why I was asking earlier if you recall an amazing about five hours ago or whatever.
or was maybe three hours ago, is that what was the timeline on?
If they were the zoning, once the zoning's changed,
and they've played it, it's the zoning's changed.
But if they do the conditional use permit,
they have, from what I recall, they have two years to actually
have some activity going on out there,
showing that they've actually done some that they're heading
that way.
If it doesn't happen after two years of approval
from the approval through the council, I guess,
that permit expires.
Does that make sense?
And so it would be what it is today other than the zoning change.
And the things I read on the C.G.
That I read you all ago could all go in there.
I felt the comp plan supports the zoning.
Yeah, the comp plan.
If you read the comp plan, it lists, there's the table in there.
And you go to level six, which is what this is.
It lists the different land use that could be in there.
The C3.
It those are permitted and there's one that's allowed.
I think it's industrialized that's a loud, but you kind of have to come in here and bake for it, basically.
But the C3 is actually supported, CG is actually supported in the comprehensive plan.
Now, I agree with the discussion about the quit talking to people out in the audience.
Well, you want me to face the wall?
No, I mean, I'm just saying, yeah.
Well, but see, I've got a talk like this, so you both can hear me.
Oh, thank you.
Nice to meet you.
No, no, I lost my train of thought.
That was what you wanted, wasn't it?
Trust me, I want you to finish your time.
No, I was just, I could mention it when this guys
be said about the service road going in there,
the front edge road, but it was my understanding
that it probably wouldn't be built,
because no one's going to spend the money
to put the bridge in there.
But there's three minutes.
That still clips the property.
So that can be worked out with the city department.
Yeah.
They will do that.
Right.
So what we have here today would not hurt it.
No, they will have to.
And I know there was a lot of discussion about, you know, I don't know how to say this
right way, but emotional outcry about certain things.
I understand what you're coming from that.
But what you got to understand where we're coming from is what we're locked into on whether
to approve or disapprove, whether to approve or disapprove based on our principle guidance,
which is comprehensive plan, zoning ordinance, things like that.
We have to be able to stand by our decision based on what the cities adopted, that makes
sense.
In the confindments of the law, right, and it's kind of hard to say, you know, if we're not
for it based on, and we just don't like this or something like that, don't look good to
me.
I don't know if that's staying up in court, and I know you probably didn't want to say that.
But okay, so is there any other other discussions or comments?
Yeah, I would just like to share that with a lot of the comments that have been made if it was your religious organization trying to build a temple.
How would you feel if somebody was denying you your right that's established by the Constitution?
The other thing is you own, no, you cannot, because I've had an opportunity for to listen
everybody else. Now you get to listen to us. Now, and you may think that's rude, but I'm
not feeling well and it's late, so my apologies. The other thing is you have the right to do
what you want with your land as long as it meets the criteria established by the city and the government.
So this is part of the comprehensive plan does allow CG to be in there so Mr. Park, I do want to ask do we need to do separate recommendations
As Bob mentioned earlier or do we do this all is one it's either or and it's
We approve if we were to recommend if we're recommending body so if we were to recommend the city council approval
approval. I would think that we would want to do the zoning as one motion, let that go through.
And then the next motion would be related to the condition, use permit, but if the zoning got turned down,
then the car would be no reason to do this. But we still have the option to approve it, right?
Because he's asked for that if it's CG to still do that, right?
You can still do that. So we could still do this two separate moments.
And they were both on the agenda.
So that I would just think it'd be better instead of piggyback and then the council could go
Either way, whatever, whatever, whatever they can attack, do whatever they want to with each. Right, you know
Was there any other discussion? Well the only thing is if you if there is a motion for approval
I guess the one on the noise levels and I don't really know how we need to worry
I know with the city has the ordinance they changed it last Tuesday. I guess it was yes
It was changed last Tuesday 300 feet of a residential area 10 minutes in a enclosed house, so to speak.
But the city has its lowest ordinance, so you don't have to put something on there unless you want to.
Well, the only thing that you did put it on there, you better know exactly how to put it, I guess, because I'm not sure, but the zoning ordinance would cover it.
And the city council can always address that issue too.
Well, I'm just going to focus on the rezoning portion as to whether or not this could be moved to CG commercial general and I do make a motion to approve BAZ002469-2025 for the rezoning to commercial general.
I think most of them second for approval. It's a zoning. Have real call vote
Many pain. No Jonathan Townsend. Yes, Jaylee clump up. Yes, Jason Cohen. Yes
Yes, okay. Now that ago before the city council January 20th right here at 630
So then that leaves us with the conditional use permit
So any thoughts on that what you want to do with that and that's for the place of assembly
So, I would like to make a motion to approve the conditional use permit SP002526-2025 with a notation that there cannot be any broadcast or announcements on the exterior of the facility with the exceptions of those that are for security and fire alarms safety.
city life safety.
I'll second as well. Okay, and so for I had call for
roll call vote. So I guess if it's approved, then that would go to city council,
and they would clarify what you just asked for. I guess based on maybe
desks fools at a certain distance or anything like that, is that how that would work?
They can improve. They can buy or they can improve.
So we do have a motion second for approval. This specific use
Pervets have a real call vote.
Many pain?
No.
Jonathan Townsend?
Yes.
Jelly Clempa?
No.
Jason Cohen?
Yes.
So that would go before the city council.
January 20th at 6.30.
So you get to do this again.
Oh, yes.
Well, you're fine.
Give him a few minutes to clear out.
It's okay.
I don't have anything.
You can let him clear out.
Okay, we're not done with our meeting yet.
Okay, we'll give you our chance to go ahead and exit the room so we carry on with the meeting.
keep going.
All right, so I don't number seven appeals. We have done item number eight general commission business. We have done item number nine remarks
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, thank you everybody
Thanks for everybody that came out. Thank you staff. You are made. Thank you officers.
I just want to update you guys real quick that this week you're wrapped up our interviews for the downtown master plan study, and so we'll be making a recommendation.
Can you continue conversations outside please?
Yep.
Thank you.
We'll be making a recommendation for consultant on either January 6th or January 20th to the city council.
For the downtown master plan study.
oh go
yeah and they've already proved the members right yep little okay good the
body's already been proved the committee advisory committee yes yes yes yes all right
is that any anything else ready for motion oh make a motion to adjourn second
bye and most second have real call vote
many page yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
there we go